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Unwashed: I’ll give you a White pill on that note though is that everyone who’s within our community is so keen to get on board with anything that’s pushed out that’s art, that’s ours, like let’s do a quick 1 in chat - who’s heard “Keep In Mind” by “Xurious and Hiraeth” - it’ll be you’re gonna get a sea of 1’s here. But if I was to say right let’s pick a decent song from the mainstream, from the last five years that we all know and we all like and we all agree on, we probably won’t be able to do it, because A we’ve ducked out the mainstream but B there’s nothing good comes through there, but we unify around this stuff.  So as soon as someone pumps out something that’s from [60:01] our gang we’re all really proud of it and desperate to share it and support it straight away so I think that gives us a huge, huge advantage.
 
Jeff: Yeah I agree there and that is, that was and is an excellent collaboration between “Xurious and Hiraeth” and very exciting when they first, when I first heard that I got a little behind-the-scenes. I was like “that’s really good” and I had a really good feeling about it and yeah I’m so happy that that has had the legs that it has and there’s no reason that, I mean, it’s of the production value and the quality talent-wise, that people couldn’t hear that and it absolutely should be competing on the same level with anything that’s on top 40 radio. But it’s better, because it has real heart in it, you know, and I agree it is a White pill and that’s just one of many to come and there’s also, there’s just, you know, I think too that that one is kind of more accessible, because it is kind of, somewhat in the style of things what is acceptable and hip right now in the music world and what I want to do is build a bridge from that kind of thing into, because the thing is, there’s other incredibly brilliant stuff that Hiraeth, for instance, is doing that’s some of it’s a little more experimental like things you would have heard, you know, it’s been a long time since you’ve heard like experimental kind of quote-unquote weird music become popular but, you know, like I say and in the 90s like, there was a lot of interesting wild stuff that I don’t think would have ever made it through now in the music industry.  And like, she did a collaboration, another one, with a guy called “Dystopia Park”. And it’s just, it’s called “Origin”, or “Origins” and it’s really cool and I mean, I want to build a bridge with kind of like, the stuff that’s more accessible to the more interesting stuff that I think is going to - that’s kind of what changes culture right? It’s been with our culture, everything’s been kind of watered down a little bit, so like, it’ll be interesting to see, you know, as hopefully we can get more people listening to the stuff that’s a little bit more out there, that maybe that will start to cultivate just more thought and kind of a more difference in culture in general. It seems like it’s become very mono, I don’t know, just very kind of myopic I guess.
 
Unwashed: I’d like to quickly hop back to what you were saying about how the culture was clearly a White culture and that’s just sort of somehow been erased, to the bands that you were mentioning. Grunge, name all the grunge artists. You’re not gonna find a black drummer in there are you?  And “Tool” is another great example and I wrote a piece for Vile not too long ago that was all about, because I think Horus might have some insight into this as well, it was all about the Reading Festival and how when I went 50 Cent got booked as a second headliner and we all knew exactly why that was wrong, is because that you’re stepping on our turf essentially, this is some part of culture that we do not approve of and it wasn’t a strictly like racist “we hate hip-hop thing”, because there were other artists there who were black hip-hop artists who were, you know, like it was fine, but 50 Cent specifically - it was like you have wasted this slot on us and we are really not happy about it because you know that this doesn’t represent us, we know that this doesn’t represent us even 50 Cent up there knows, because there’s a shower of bottles hitting him in the face but now, Stormzy could be booked as the headliner without anyone batting an eyelid. That’s gone now, it’s not a White rock festival anymore and you could watch it happen over the course of a decade and I think 50 Cent getting bottled was the last truly great Reading Festival moment.
 
Jeff: What year was that?
 
Unwashed: 2004
 
Horus: Yeah like it’s true what you’re saying though, that there were, there was plenty of hip hop elements at least accepted within metal and, you know, alternative rock, like you could have Biohazard and loads of other groups who had like sort of metal music but a rap singer and you’d have all these people listening to hip-hop, you know, like, but maybe not at the festival but it was part of their repertoire or whatever But that was something different, I mean, because you had the same thing with dance music as well that metallers, you know, if you were in the metal scene in the nineties and only see fans, you weren’t allowed to like dance music really, right, but you could like The Prodigy and a couple of other groups. There was like a selection area. I don’t know what point I’m making here but it’s exactly true what you said Nick.
 
Unwashed: That all got broken down with Pendulum, interestingly, then it was okay for you [65:00] to like both.
 
Horus: Who were alright in the first 5 minutes of their career, they were quite good. Then they just went awful.
 
Unwashed: . I don’t think we’re gonna delve into the artistic integrity of Pendulum today but I know what you mean. Another feature of Reading was that when the dance tent started being expanded, I remember all the rock and metallers (who were there for the lineup - not to get pissed and just because their friends were going – the people actually liked Reading, because it was Reading) were really not happy about it. They were like “we’re losing it” and they were right, because if you look at the poster now, it’s like, there’s some rock (none of it has any balls) yeah - tons of grime - tons of dance – it’s gone.
 
Horus: So blending everything together. Oh Jeff, I have a question. I assume you’re sort of like broadly in touch with the political side of things but in case like what I’m sure, most people have experienced this, that I, those of us, I mean, I’m like, you know, I don’t make any art, I do obviously listen to music and stuff but I’m strongly politically focused and I think Nick and Simon would agree as well, that this year there’s been a distinct optimism that’s that has been lacking for well I dunno, I’ve never experienced before in terms of what we can achieve politically *like imagine if it were possible for you* to convert more or less millions of people to our way of thinking, do you find any corresponding sense of optimism on the cultural side, is it the same, or is there anything equivalent to that?
 
Jeff: Yeah, I mean, I think in the spheres I’m in I think people are very optimistic about the cultural side. We’re kind of up and coming because, you know, I think the political element is kind of the immediate and more obvious thing that has developed and that’s been around the political element of nationalism and the art, the cultural and art side of it has been lacking. I think partially just because they weren’t, you know, things weren’t getting dire enough to where it was drawing kind of artistically minded people, who I do think kind of lean naturally to the Left , that doesn’t mean that they’re - I don’t mean left like necessarily Marxist, or communist - but just kind of more intuitive and kind of “feeling”, rather than “thinking” so that’s, I think that it’s, I think, there’s an optimism there, because it is starting to shift like there’s kind of a natural process to all of this to where they, they’ve pushed too far, like we were talking earlier, like though there was this long trajectory of shift to the far left since, you know, probably after World War Two and really gaining steam in the 1960s and then it’s just been this non-stop just bulldozer to the most absurd ideas. Just everything goes, laissez faire, normalization of pedophilia and all of these things that people couldn’t even imagine even 10, or 15 years ago, you know, and I think that stuff being, you know, very also shoehorned into a lot of the art is really just waking people up and just causing a natural kind of seismic shift back to a more traditional way of thinking, in the sense that it’s like “look this stuff is a little bit too far”, things were working better when we had families and men and women were getting along, you know, it doesn’t have to be extreme, it’s not, you know, it doesn’t, you don’t have to have Third Reich anything it’s just like you, it’s just basic common sense that those things work better, we’ve been doing those things for thousands of years and the nation is a the most obvious and functional type of organization and perhaps there will be some kind of greater, I think Confederacy, I think of it that way as far as, you know, the alliances of European nations. But I think nationalism is still ultimately just the obvious way to organize and there’s just a shift back to that in a common-sense way. But yeah, back to the main question is that there, I think there definitely is an optimism, because we’re seeing (like I said) we’re seeing more bands and stuff contacting us and who are just kind of like “yeah why not”, I mean, White Art Collective we’ve kind of broken down that barrier of them thinking that that I picked that name specifically, because it is a little bit triggering on a couple of fronts and I’m not necessarily one who goes out trying to trigger people [70:01]. But obviously, because the White part, but also to kind of get people back into the concept of collectivism not belonging to the left, you know, any organization is a collective and that doesn’t mean it has a leftist bent necessarily at all. A family is a collective, you know, but uh yeah, we have, I think there’s a huge amount of optimism and now that people are starting to see that what we can, the results of coming together like this just like the Xurious and Hiraeth song, what’s we’re possible what’s what we’re capable of doing with like no resources other than our creativity and willingness to work together. Imagine when we actually get, we start putting some money behind this, and people get more on board with what’s happening and more and more people and more of a critical mass. We are going to be making our own films and things. We actually had a “Spooky Short Film Contest” in The Fall that didn’t get as much attention as it should have but I mean, we’re just, you know, people weren’t quite there. We’re still growing and developing but we’re doing it again this year and we’re gonna continue to do stuff like that and again I’m super optimistic about it and I think more and more people are gonna come to us wanting to be part of that to have fun and just to make great art.
 
Horus: Will that be for Halloween?
 
Jeff: Yeah, we did that for Halloween, yeah, so if anybody out there is interested yeah, we’re gonna have a “Spooky Short Film Contest” for Halloween and last year we had a $1,000 cash prize. I haven’t announced anything on that yet, but we’ll definitely at least have a $1,000 cash prize. We’ll look into the other stuff as well.
 
Horus: Or a year’s supply of pumpkins maybe? [laughter]
 
Simon: Okay I just want to give a shout out to some of the White Art Collective people I’ve seen in the chat. I’ve seen Hiraeth, I’m not sure how to pronounce it properly, Hiraeth Music. I think Jack White was in there earlier. What’s the, I can’t find his name, what was the French guy ***“Iod”*** or something like that, I’ve seen him there.
 
Jeff: Yeah, I think it’s ***“Hayad”*** I think that’s like the English, or like, I like to say it with a French accent like “Heyodd”, you know,
 
Simon: Someone else I want to give a big shout out to and it’s a shame, perhaps we ought to stream sometime mate but his name now is Edmond Marta. But in another life, he’s Champion Puffer and he’s a kind of techno acid house DJ. I can’t remember the name of his radio station. But he’s definitely on our side and it’s something. Puffer, you need to be writing stuff, you need to get on board bringing your culture, ‘cos I know, you know, we’ve exchanged experiences back from those days, because I used to go down to a studio where - I don’t know if you know this label Nick - Rising High were based and I used to know Casper Pound and Pete Smith. I was in the studio, or when The Shaman were in there one time. Was back in those days so that for me, that kind of period of music, it was a reliving of punk in many, many respects. I know you and I disagree with this but for me this was the last shout of rock and roll. It was the kind of acid house days.
 
Unwashed: Well I don’t think that it ever dies. I think that you see inklings of it everywhere, because we discussed the other day that is just a natural thing the teenage boys go through this rebellion thing and it often comes out as art so I was saying like I saw the same thing going on in dubstep which will sound ridiculous to people older than me, but all of these scenes have like a kernel of truth in them and then they get ridiculous and comical and descend into self parody. But yeah, there is also some, there’s always something real there. I love that in this chat today, everyone is basically on side with the idea of a lot of rave music is ours, because months ago I remember contending with this as an issue going. Well it’s made by White people for White people and White people enjoy it. There’s a certain angle that is you have to be on drugs to enjoy it, you don’t, loads of people listen to it when they’re not on drugs. I like the idea of us claiming these scenes. I have, I have a theory that drum and bass specifically, like most of the junglists are based, because it’s just unignorable in those clubs. If you go to a club with less White people it’s more dangerous and they just know that. So that’s kind of why I was using drum and bass in those in those Groyper videos, because I was like, [75:00] I got an inkling here “this is not the most woke multi-culti scene” we can have this one. Everyone today, we’re saying like happy hardcore, everyone loves happy hardcore and that’s specifically British, like, French people don’t get it, German people don’t get it, Dutch people certainly don’t get it. They’ve all got their own strands of hardcore electronic music which I don’t understand. I cannot get onboard with Dutch hardcore at all, I think is just horrendous noise but happy hardcore is ours, so I mean, it busts this whole sort of degeneracy argument which I think we’re all fed up of, like we all love folk music but yeah, I think we’re gonna need more than that so I like that we’ve got a pro rave section in the chat going on today.]]></description>
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Unwashed: I’ll give you a White pill on that note though is that everyone who’s within our community is so keen to get on board with anything that’s pushed out that’s art, that’s ours, like let’s do a quick 1 in chat &#8211; who’s heard “Keep In Mind” by “Xurious and Hiraeth” &#8211; it’ll be you’re gonna get a sea of 1’s here. But if I was to say right let’s pick a decent song from the mainstream, from the last five years that we all know and we all like and we all agree on, we probably won’t be able to do it, because A we’ve ducked out the mainstream but B there’s nothing good comes through there, but we unify around this stuff.  So as soon as someone pumps out something that’s from [60:01] our gang we’re all really proud of it and desperate to share it and support it straight away so I think that gives us a huge, huge advantage.</p>
<p>Jeff: Yeah I agree there and that is, that was and is an excellent collaboration between “Xurious and Hiraeth” and very exciting when they first, when I first heard that I got a little behind-the-scenes. I was like “that’s really good” and I had a really good feeling about it and yeah I’m so happy that that has had the legs that it has and there’s no reason that, I mean, it’s of the production value and the quality talent-wise, that people couldn’t hear that and it absolutely should be competing on the same level with anything that’s on top 40 radio. But it’s better, because it has real heart in it, you know, and I agree it is a White pill and that’s just one of many to come and there’s also, there’s just, you know, I think too that that one is kind of more accessible, because it is kind of, somewhat in the style of things what is acceptable and hip right now in the music world and what I want to do is build a bridge from that kind of thing into, because the thing is, there’s other incredibly brilliant stuff that Hiraeth, for instance, is doing that’s some of it’s a little more experimental like things you would have heard, you know, it’s been a long time since you’ve heard like experimental kind of quote-unquote weird music become popular but, you know, like I say and in the 90s like, there was a lot of interesting wild stuff that I don’t think would have ever made it through now in the music industry.  And like, she did a collaboration, another one, with a guy called “Dystopia Park”. And it’s just, it’s called “Origin”, or “Origins” and it’s really cool and I mean, I want to build a bridge with kind of like, the stuff that’s more accessible to the more interesting stuff that I think is going to &#8211; that’s kind of what changes culture right? It’s been with our culture, everything’s been kind of watered down a little bit, so like, it’ll be interesting to see, you know, as hopefully we can get more people listening to the stuff that’s a little bit more out there, that maybe that will start to cultivate just more thought and kind of a more difference in culture in general. It seems like it’s become very mono, I don’t know, just very kind of myopic I guess.</p>
<p>Unwashed: I’d like to quickly hop back to what you were saying about how the culture was clearly a White culture and that’s just sort of somehow been erased, to the bands that you were mentioning. Grunge, name all the grunge artists. You’re not gonna find a black drummer in there are you?  And “Tool” is another great example and I wrote a piece for Vile not too long ago that was all about, because I think Horus might have some insight into this as well, it was all about the Reading Festival and how when I went 50 Cent got booked as a second headliner and we all knew exactly why that was wrong, is because that you’re stepping on our turf essentially, this is some part of culture that we do not approve of and it wasn’t a strictly like racist “we hate hip-hop thing”, because there were other artists there who were black hip-hop artists who were, you know, like it was fine, but 50 Cent specifically &#8211; it was like you have wasted this slot on us and we are really not happy about it because you know that this doesn’t represent us, we know that this doesn’t represent us even 50 Cent up there knows, because there’s a shower of bottles hitting him in the face but now, Stormzy could be booked as the headliner without anyone batting an eyelid. That’s gone now, it’s not a White rock festival anymore and you could watch it happen over the course of a decade and I think 50 Cent getting bottled was the last truly great Reading Festival moment.</p>
<p>Jeff: What year was that?</p>
<p>Unwashed: 2004</p>
<p>Horus: Yeah like it’s true what you’re saying though, that there were, there was plenty of hip hop elements at least accepted within metal and, you know, alternative rock, like you could have Biohazard and loads of other groups who had like sort of metal music but a rap singer and you’d have all these people listening to hip-hop, you know, like, but maybe not at the festival but it was part of their repertoire or whatever But that was something different, I mean, because you had the same thing with dance music as well that metallers, you know, if you were in the metal scene in the nineties and only see fans, you weren’t allowed to like dance music really, right, but you could like The Prodigy and a couple of other groups. There was like a selection area. I don’t know what point I’m making here but it’s exactly true what you said Nick.</p>
<p>Unwashed: That all got broken down with Pendulum, interestingly, then it was okay for you [65:00] to like both.</p>
<p>Horus: Who were alright in the first 5 minutes of their career, they were quite good. Then they just went awful.</p>
<p>Unwashed: . I don’t think we’re gonna delve into the artistic integrity of Pendulum today but I know what you mean. Another feature of Reading was that when the dance tent started being expanded, I remember all the rock and metallers (who were there for the lineup &#8211; not to get pissed and just because their friends were going – the people actually liked Reading, because it was Reading) were really not happy about it. They were like “we’re losing it” and they were right, because if you look at the poster now, it’s like, there’s some rock (none of it has any balls) yeah &#8211; tons of grime &#8211; tons of dance – it’s gone.</p>
<p>Horus: So blending everything together. Oh Jeff, I have a question. I assume you’re sort of like broadly in touch with the political side of things but in case like what I’m sure, most people have experienced this, that I, those of us, I mean, I’m like, you know, I don’t make any art, I do obviously listen to music and stuff but I’m strongly politically focused and I think Nick and Simon would agree as well, that this year there’s been a distinct optimism that’s that has been lacking for well I dunno, I’ve never experienced before in terms of what we can achieve politically *like imagine if it were possible for you* to convert more or less millions of people to our way of thinking, do you find any corresponding sense of optimism on the cultural side, is it the same, or is there anything equivalent to that?</p>
<p>Jeff: Yeah, I mean, I think in the spheres I’m in I think people are very optimistic about the cultural side. We’re kind of up and coming because, you know, I think the political element is kind of the immediate and more obvious thing that has developed and that’s been around the political element of nationalism and the art, the cultural and art side of it has been lacking. I think partially just because they weren’t, you know, things weren’t getting dire enough to where it was drawing kind of artistically minded people, who I do think kind of lean naturally to the Left , that doesn’t mean that they’re &#8211; I don’t mean left like necessarily Marxist, or communist &#8211; but just kind of more intuitive and kind of “feeling”, rather than “thinking” so that’s, I think that it’s, I think, there’s an optimism there, because it is starting to shift like there’s kind of a natural process to all of this to where they, they’ve pushed too far, like we were talking earlier, like though there was this long trajectory of shift to the far left since, you know, probably after World War Two and really gaining steam in the 1960s and then it’s just been this non-stop just bulldozer to the most absurd ideas. Just everything goes, laissez faire, normalization of pedophilia and all of these things that people couldn’t even imagine even 10, or 15 years ago, you know, and I think that stuff being, you know, very also shoehorned into a lot of the art is really just waking people up and just causing a natural kind of seismic shift back to a more traditional way of thinking, in the sense that it’s like “look this stuff is a little bit too far”, things were working better when we had families and men and women were getting along, you know, it doesn’t have to be extreme, it’s not, you know, it doesn’t, you don’t have to have Third Reich anything it’s just like you, it’s just basic common sense that those things work better, we’ve been doing those things for thousands of years and the nation is a the most obvious and functional type of organization and perhaps there will be some kind of greater, I think Confederacy, I think of it that way as far as, you know, the alliances of European nations. But I think nationalism is still ultimately just the obvious way to organize and there’s just a shift back to that in a common-sense way. But yeah, back to the main question is that there, I think there definitely is an optimism, because we’re seeing (like I said) we’re seeing more bands and stuff contacting us and who are just kind of like “yeah why not”, I mean, White Art Collective we’ve kind of broken down that barrier of them thinking that that I picked that name specifically, because it is a little bit triggering on a couple of fronts and I’m not necessarily one who goes out trying to trigger people [70:01]. But obviously, because the White part, but also to kind of get people back into the concept of collectivism not belonging to the left, you know, any organization is a collective and that doesn’t mean it has a leftist bent necessarily at all. A family is a collective, you know, but uh yeah, we have, I think there’s a huge amount of optimism and now that people are starting to see that what we can, the results of coming together like this just like the Xurious and Hiraeth song, what’s we’re possible what’s what we’re capable of doing with like no resources other than our creativity and willingness to work together. Imagine when we actually get, we start putting some money behind this, and people get more on board with what’s happening and more and more people and more of a critical mass. We are going to be making our own films and things. We actually had a “Spooky Short Film Contest” in The Fall that didn’t get as much attention as it should have but I mean, we’re just, you know, people weren’t quite there. We’re still growing and developing but we’re doing it again this year and we’re gonna continue to do stuff like that and again I’m super optimistic about it and I think more and more people are gonna come to us wanting to be part of that to have fun and just to make great art.</p>
<p>Horus: Will that be for Halloween?</p>
<p>Jeff: Yeah, we did that for Halloween, yeah, so if anybody out there is interested yeah, we’re gonna have a “Spooky Short Film Contest” for Halloween and last year we had a $1,000 cash prize. I haven’t announced anything on that yet, but we’ll definitely at least have a $1,000 cash prize. We’ll look into the other stuff as well.</p>
<p>Horus: Or a year’s supply of pumpkins maybe? [laughter]</p>
<p>Simon: Okay I just want to give a shout out to some of the White Art Collective people I’ve seen in the chat. I’ve seen Hiraeth, I’m not sure how to pronounce it properly, Hiraeth Music. I think Jack White was in there earlier. What’s the, I can’t find his name, what was the French guy ***“Iod”*** or something like that, I’ve seen him there.</p>
<p>Jeff: Yeah, I think it’s ***“Hayad”*** I think that’s like the English, or like, I like to say it with a French accent like “Heyodd”, you know,</p>
<p>Simon: Someone else I want to give a big shout out to and it’s a shame, perhaps we ought to stream sometime mate but his name now is Edmond Marta. But in another life, he’s Champion Puffer and he’s a kind of techno acid house DJ. I can’t remember the name of his radio station. But he’s definitely on our side and it’s something. Puffer, you need to be writing stuff, you need to get on board bringing your culture, ‘cos I know, you know, we’ve exchanged experiences back from those days, because I used to go down to a studio where &#8211; I don’t know if you know this label Nick &#8211; Rising High were based and I used to know Casper Pound and Pete Smith. I was in the studio, or when The Shaman were in there one time. Was back in those days so that for me, that kind of period of music, it was a reliving of punk in many, many respects. I know you and I disagree with this but for me this was the last shout of rock and roll. It was the kind of acid house days.</p>
<p>Unwashed: Well I don’t think that it ever dies. I think that you see inklings of it everywhere, because we discussed the other day that is just a natural thing the teenage boys go through this rebellion thing and it often comes out as art so I was saying like I saw the same thing going on in dubstep which will sound ridiculous to people older than me, but all of these scenes have like a kernel of truth in them and then they get ridiculous and comical and descend into self parody. But yeah, there is also some, there’s always something real there. I love that in this chat today, everyone is basically on side with the idea of a lot of rave music is ours, because months ago I remember contending with this as an issue going. Well it’s made by White people for White people and White people enjoy it. There’s a certain angle that is you have to be on drugs to enjoy it, you don’t, loads of people listen to it when they’re not on drugs. I like the idea of us claiming these scenes. I have, I have a theory that drum and bass specifically, like most of the junglists are based, because it’s just unignorable in those clubs. If you go to a club with less White people it’s more dangerous and they just know that. So that’s kind of why I was using drum and bass in those in those Groyper videos, because I was like, [75:00] I got an inkling here “this is not the most woke multi-culti scene” we can have this one. Everyone today, we’re saying like happy hardcore, everyone loves happy hardcore and that’s specifically British, like, French people don’t get it, German people don’t get it, Dutch people certainly don’t get it. They’ve all got their own strands of hardcore electronic music which I don’t understand. I cannot get onboard with Dutch hardcore at all, I think is just horrendous noise but happy hardcore is ours, so I mean, it busts this whole sort of degeneracy argument which I think we’re all fed up of, like we all love folk music but yeah, I think we’re gonna need more than that so I like that we’ve got a pro rave section in the chat going on today.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qeZGq5a2aA&#038;t=2s
Uploaded to YouTube 9th May 2020.
Channel = American Renaissance. 128k Subs.
Title = “Listen Up, White Man”

Hello.  I’m Jared Taylor with American Renaissance.

These videos aren’t being suggested in the usual way, so if you like what you see, please suggest it to your friends.

Listen up, White man.  There are a lot of people out there who hate you and they hate you because you’re White.  Some of them openly want you dead.  Many of them preach tolerance &#038; inclusion but just not for you.
Whites are still the majority in this country but we let this happen because most of us won’t take our own side in an argument &#038; no one is gong to take our side for us.  This stuff goes back a long way….
In 1967, novelist &#038; essayist Susan Sonntag wrote that “the White race is the cancer of human history”.  That kind of hatred was a rarity then.
Not anymore.
On Christmas Eve 2016, Drexel University professor George Ciccariello Maher tweeted “All I want for Christmas is White genocide”.  He also tweeted a follow up message “When the Whites were massacred during the Haitian Revolution that was a good thing indeed”. 
Sarah Jeong, who came to the United States as an immigrant from Korea, was appointed to the editorial board of The New York Times at age 30.  Here are some of her tweets.  “White people have stopped breeding.  You’ll all go extinct soon.  This was my plan all along”.  One of her tweets just said “Cancel White people”.  “White men are bullshit” was another one of her favourites.  The Times knew about this when it hired her.
Joseph Lowry is a civil rights hero who delivered the Benediction at Barak Obama’s Inauguration in 2009.  In 2012 he said that when he was younger, he thought most White People were gonna go to hell.  Now that he’s older and wiser he thinks all White People are gonna go to hell.  Mr. Obama gave him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Tim Wise is a so called “anti racist activist” who has spoken at more than one thousand colleges &#038; high school campuses.  He charges $10,000 to give a talk.  After a 2018 election in Mississippi in which a White Republican beat a Black Democrat he tweeted this – “Elections like tonight make it clear: Justice after 1865 would have been Mississippi white property being burned to the ground and all the landowners booted from their land and all the wealth redistributed to former slaves and white folks crushed beyond repair.  Sadly that didn’t happen…”.
On Saturday Night Live, Jamie Foxx bragged about his role in his new movie (Jango Unchained) “I kill all the White People in the movie, how great is that”?  After they watched the movie, dozens of Blacks tweeted that it did make them want to go out and kill White People.
There’s a museum in San Francisco called the “Yerba Buena Center for the Arts”.  Last year it exhibited an endless loop video by a Hispanic man called “Why Don’t We Murder More White People”.
During the senate hearings on Brett Cavanaugh’s appointment to the Supreme Court, Georgetown’s professor Christine Fair attacked all White men who defended Mr Cavanaugh’s charges of sexual assault.  She said “All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminists laugh as they take their last gasps. Bonus, we castrate their corpses and feed them to swine”.
Nicholas Powers is an associate professor of literature at the State University of New York.  Last year he wrote an essay called “Seeing Poor White People Makes Me Happy”.  He wrote about what he thinks when he sees a White Beggar.  “Should I kick him in the face, hard”?  He went on… “When a White Person begs I feel better, I feel happy.  It feels like afro futurism after America falls”.
Johnny Eric Williams is a tenured professor at Trinity College in Connecticut.  He ended a tirade against Whiteness &#038; White Supremacy with the words “Let them fucking die”.  He also called Whites “Inhuman assholes”.  More recently, he tweeted “Whiteness is terrorism” adding that “All self-identified White people (no exceptions) are invested in and collude with systemic white racism / White supremacy”.
This is a mainstream idea you know, being colour-blind.  Trying to rise above race isn’t enough. 
As the Washington Post warns “White parents teach their children to be colour blind.  Here’s why that’s bad for everyone”. The author says “Whiteness exists as a system of power, if you &#038; your children are not constantly fighting that system, you’re perpetuating White supremacy”.  In other words, White people are a problem that has to be solved. 

Tim Wise (who we met earlier) has the solution.  As he wrote in a post that he later took down “We just have to be patient and wait for your hearts to stop beating.  Your Nation as you knew it is ending permanently and the sound of your demise is beautiful”.
That’s how many leftists think.
Dowel Myers is a demographer at the University of Southern California.  He wrote in the New York Times about conversations with progressives about population changes that will make Whites a minority.  “It was conquest, our day has come” he said of their reaction.  “They wanted to overpower them, that means overpower White People - with numbers.  It was demographic destiny”.
They want us gone and they hate it that we ever came.
Columbus, of course, started the cancer and that’s why his statues are taking a beating.  Here’s one in Central Park in New York.  Note the blood on his hands.  This is Columbus Park in Buffalo New York.  Here is the explorer in Detroit with a Tomahawk in his head.  The one in Bridgeport in Connecticut says “Kill the coloniser”.
Today, of course, you are the coloniser.
But if we can’t be exterminated (or driven off) so called “conservatives” have a different solution.  Miscegenation. Big names like Norman Podhoretz, Morton Kondracke, Nicholas Kristof, Douglas Besharov, Stephan &#038; Abigail Sternstrom &#038; John Miller of National Review all agree with Michael Barone who wrote in US News &#038; World Report “My great wish is that 50 years from now, we will be so mixed there will be no more racial categories”.
It looks like google agrees.  Here are the top results for a recent search for an image for “White couple”.  In the middle row you even get a White gay couple with an adopted Black baby.
And of course, it’s well known that if you search google for “American Inventors” you get almost nothing but Black People.
Is something going on? Yes, something is and we are the only people who can put a stop to it.
Sometimes, little things can be effective.  The Drexel professor who wanted White Genocide for Christmas resigned because he took so much heat for it.
Trinity College, where the Black professor called us “Inhuman assholes” lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and dozens of students withdrew.
You are not alone.  There are plenty of wide-awake Whites but too many of us are afraid.  If you speak up you might be surprised by the number of people who join you.  Sometimes just one White man with a spine can make all the difference and there are groups like mine, American Renaissance, that exist for no other purpose than to fight for the legitimate interests of White people.
Find a group &#038; support it.  Remember, no one else is going to save us from this hatred it’s consequences.  Silence is capitulation.  Do something positive.  Do it today.
Thanks for watching. Please subscribe to our You Tube Channel. Also take a look at our podcast channel. At You Tube that’s @amrenpodcasts.com. Also, please visit our website that’s @amren.com.]]></description>
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Uploaded to YouTube 9th May 2020.<br />
Channel = American Renaissance. 128k Subs.<br />
Title = “Listen Up, White Man”</p>
<p>Hello.  I’m Jared Taylor with American Renaissance.</p>
<p>These videos aren’t being suggested in the usual way, so if you like what you see, please suggest it to your friends.</p>
<p>Listen up, White man.  There are a lot of people out there who hate you and they hate you because you’re White.  Some of them openly want you dead.  Many of them preach tolerance &amp; inclusion but just not for you.<br />
Whites are still the majority in this country but we let this happen because most of us won’t take our own side in an argument &amp; no one is gong to take our side for us.  This stuff goes back a long way….<br />
In 1967, novelist &amp; essayist Susan Sonntag wrote that “the White race is the cancer of human history”.  That kind of hatred was a rarity then.<br />
Not anymore.<br />
On Christmas Eve 2016, Drexel University professor George Ciccariello Maher tweeted “All I want for Christmas is White genocide”.  He also tweeted a follow up message “When the Whites were massacred during the Haitian Revolution that was a good thing indeed”.<br />
Sarah Jeong, who came to the United States as an immigrant from Korea, was appointed to the editorial board of The New York Times at age 30.  Here are some of her tweets.  “White people have stopped breeding.  You’ll all go extinct soon.  This was my plan all along”.  One of her tweets just said “Cancel White people”.  “White men are bullshit” was another one of her favourites.  The Times knew about this when it hired her.<br />
Joseph Lowry is a civil rights hero who delivered the Benediction at Barak Obama’s Inauguration in 2009.  In 2012 he said that when he was younger, he thought most White People were gonna go to hell.  Now that he’s older and wiser he thinks all White People are gonna go to hell.  Mr. Obama gave him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.<br />
Tim Wise is a so called “anti racist activist” who has spoken at more than one thousand colleges &amp; high school campuses.  He charges $10,000 to give a talk.  After a 2018 election in Mississippi in which a White Republican beat a Black Democrat he tweeted this – “Elections like tonight make it clear: Justice after 1865 would have been Mississippi white property being burned to the ground and all the landowners booted from their land and all the wealth redistributed to former slaves and white folks crushed beyond repair.  Sadly that didn’t happen…”.<br />
On Saturday Night Live, Jamie Foxx bragged about his role in his new movie (Jango Unchained) “I kill all the White People in the movie, how great is that”?  After they watched the movie, dozens of Blacks tweeted that it did make them want to go out and kill White People.<br />
There’s a museum in San Francisco called the “Yerba Buena Center for the Arts”.  Last year it exhibited an endless loop video by a Hispanic man called “Why Don’t We Murder More White People”.<br />
During the senate hearings on Brett Cavanaugh’s appointment to the Supreme Court, Georgetown’s professor Christine Fair attacked all White men who defended Mr Cavanaugh’s charges of sexual assault.  She said “All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminists laugh as they take their last gasps. Bonus, we castrate their corpses and feed them to swine”.<br />
Nicholas Powers is an associate professor of literature at the State University of New York.  Last year he wrote an essay called “Seeing Poor White People Makes Me Happy”.  He wrote about what he thinks when he sees a White Beggar.  “Should I kick him in the face, hard”?  He went on… “When a White Person begs I feel better, I feel happy.  It feels like afro futurism after America falls”.<br />
Johnny Eric Williams is a tenured professor at Trinity College in Connecticut.  He ended a tirade against Whiteness &amp; White Supremacy with the words “Let them fucking die”.  He also called Whites “Inhuman assholes”.  More recently, he tweeted “Whiteness is terrorism” adding that “All self-identified White people (no exceptions) are invested in and collude with systemic white racism / White supremacy”.<br />
This is a mainstream idea you know, being colour-blind.  Trying to rise above race isn’t enough.<br />
As the Washington Post warns “White parents teach their children to be colour blind.  Here’s why that’s bad for everyone”. The author says “Whiteness exists as a system of power, if you &amp; your children are not constantly fighting that system, you’re perpetuating White supremacy”.  In other words, White people are a problem that has to be solved. </p>
<p>Tim Wise (who we met earlier) has the solution.  As he wrote in a post that he later took down “We just have to be patient and wait for your hearts to stop beating.  Your Nation as you knew it is ending permanently and the sound of your demise is beautiful”.<br />
That’s how many leftists think.<br />
Dowel Myers is a demographer at the University of Southern California.  He wrote in the New York Times about conversations with progressives about population changes that will make Whites a minority.  “It was conquest, our day has come” he said of their reaction.  “They wanted to overpower them, that means overpower White People &#8211; with numbers.  It was demographic destiny”.<br />
They want us gone and they hate it that we ever came.<br />
Columbus, of course, started the cancer and that’s why his statues are taking a beating.  Here’s one in Central Park in New York.  Note the blood on his hands.  This is Columbus Park in Buffalo New York.  Here is the explorer in Detroit with a Tomahawk in his head.  The one in Bridgeport in Connecticut says “Kill the coloniser”.<br />
Today, of course, you are the coloniser.<br />
But if we can’t be exterminated (or driven off) so called “conservatives” have a different solution.  Miscegenation. Big names like Norman Podhoretz, Morton Kondracke, Nicholas Kristof, Douglas Besharov, Stephan &amp; Abigail Sternstrom &amp; John Miller of National Review all agree with Michael Barone who wrote in US News &amp; World Report “My great wish is that 50 years from now, we will be so mixed there will be no more racial categories”.<br />
It looks like google agrees.  Here are the top results for a recent search for an image for “White couple”.  In the middle row you even get a White gay couple with an adopted Black baby.<br />
And of course, it’s well known that if you search google for “American Inventors” you get almost nothing but Black People.<br />
Is something going on? Yes, something is and we are the only people who can put a stop to it.<br />
Sometimes, little things can be effective.  The Drexel professor who wanted White Genocide for Christmas resigned because he took so much heat for it.<br />
Trinity College, where the Black professor called us “Inhuman assholes” lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and dozens of students withdrew.<br />
You are not alone.  There are plenty of wide-awake Whites but too many of us are afraid.  If you speak up you might be surprised by the number of people who join you.  Sometimes just one White man with a spine can make all the difference and there are groups like mine, American Renaissance, that exist for no other purpose than to fight for the legitimate interests of White people.<br />
Find a group &amp; support it.  Remember, no one else is going to save us from this hatred it’s consequences.  Silence is capitulation.  Do something positive.  Do it today.<br />
Thanks for watching. Please subscribe to our You Tube Channel. Also take a look at our podcast channel. At You Tube that’s @amrenpodcasts.com. Also, please visit our website that’s @amren.com.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://katana17.com/2020/05/20/simon-harris-ef-25-the-state-of-the-art-with-jeff-winston-nick-cotton-may-19-2020-transcript/comment-page-1/#comment-6485&quot;&gt;Dawn Browning&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Dawn.

Yes, I&#039;d like to have that transcript of Jared Taylor&#039;s video. Could you post it in the comments here?

I&#039;ll do a blog post with it later.

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<p>Thanks Dawn.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;d like to have that transcript of Jared Taylor&#8217;s video. Could you post it in the comments here?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do a blog post with it later.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Katana.
I&#039;ll read through &#038; check for spelling/punctuation first then I&#039;ll do a read &#038; listen.
I wanted to do the Simon, Dangerfield &#038; Horus but this one is more pressing due to it being Simon&#039;s last livestream.

I typed out American Renaissance&#039;s &quot;Listen Up, White Man&quot; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qeZGq5a2aA&#038;t=393s
If that&#039;s of any use to you. 

Dawn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Katana.<br />
I&#8217;ll read through &amp; check for spelling/punctuation first then I&#8217;ll do a read &amp; listen.<br />
I wanted to do the Simon, Dangerfield &amp; Horus but this one is more pressing due to it being Simon&#8217;s last livestream.</p>
<p>I typed out American Renaissance&#8217;s &#8220;Listen Up, White Man&#8221; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qeZGq5a2aA&#038;t=393s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qeZGq5a2aA&#038;t=393s</a><br />
If that&#8217;s of any use to you. </p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://katana17.com/2020/05/20/simon-harris-ef-25-the-state-of-the-art-with-jeff-winston-nick-cotton-may-19-2020-transcript/comment-page-1/#comment-6481&quot;&gt;Dawn Browning&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Dawn

Thanks for turning up! That&#039;s half the battle.

No need to use a special program, whatever you can type in is okay.

Depending on how much time you have, you could just copy the text that I have provided and simply correct obvious errors and punctuation even without listening to the audio. Then simply paste the corrected text here as a comment.

If you feel able to do more, then also listen to the audio and correct the text accordingly. Don&#039;t get hung up on stuff that is too hard, just pass it by.

Feel free to ask anything. Try doing say 5 minutes of text first if you like. Every bit helps our cause.

Thanks

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<p>Hi Dawn</p>
<p>Thanks for turning up! That&#8217;s half the battle.</p>
<p>No need to use a special program, whatever you can type in is okay.</p>
<p>Depending on how much time you have, you could just copy the text that I have provided and simply correct obvious errors and punctuation even without listening to the audio. Then simply paste the corrected text here as a comment.</p>
<p>If you feel able to do more, then also listen to the audio and correct the text accordingly. Don&#8217;t get hung up on stuff that is too hard, just pass it by.</p>
<p>Feel free to ask anything. Try doing say 5 minutes of text first if you like. Every bit helps our cause.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>KATANA</p>
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