Peter Whittle: Hello, welcome to So What You’re Saying Is. I’m Peter Whittle. Now, I’m delighted that my guest this week is one of our newest young commentators. Poppy Coburn is a journalist and writer and she’s currently working at TV News, but she has been in the Telegraph most recently. Before that she was working at Unheard. Thank you very much for coming.

 

Poppy Coburn: Thank you for having me.

 

Peter Whittle: No, it’s lovely to see you. I have to say one of the reasons I want to speak to you is because you wrote a superb piece in this Telegraph recently about immigration, and I thought it was actually quite a brave piece. Can you start by just telling us the gist of that piece?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah, of course. So the reason I wrote it is, obviously this is a very difficult time for the Conservative Party. So I think most of what you’re hearing in the media is about kind of the economic packages that Truss and Kwarteng have been putting forward, arguments over the future of leveling up, whether or not the labor threats going to be happening, foreign policy issues.

 

But there’s one thing that’s really been ignored, and it’s been ignored for quite a few years, and that’s immigration! And I think the real reason that immigration has been ignored, something I bring up in the piece, is that after we won the Brexit referendum, after the Leave vote won, people kind of assume that we were in safe hands.

 

We know that public opinion has shown that consistently, people vote for governments that are saying we will have lower immigration. All of the polling supports this. 70% of Conservative voters have said that they want to limit immigration under 100,00 a year. This is something that Mattie Goodwin’s done some polling on recently.

And I did a little bit of digging. And if you go through the manifestos of every successful government in the past 30 years, each manifesto says:

 

“We pledge to reduce the number of immigrants.”

 

And every government since then has increased the numbers! So this is a gigantic demographic change that has been done entirely without public consent.

 

And I think if we do see the polls being correct that the Conservative government is going to be wiped out the next election, perhaps too early to say, but it’s looking likely. I think there’s going to be a lot of soul searching done on behalf of Conservative activists which said:

 

“We’ve been government for twelve years, and every promise we have held on immigration, we failed on!”

 

And I don’t think it’s something that can be ignored anymore. I think this is a real area of policy that anybody who is passionate about, not even just Conservative policies, but about democracy, about people being heard, you have to focus on this! You can’t put it to the side anymore. So that’s what really prompted me to start writing about this.

 

Peter Whittle: In a way, what you’re saying, of course, sort of can’t be denied. But what is your own personal feeling about it? I mean, do you think that it is also one of the most important issues facing the country?

 

Poppy Coburn: I’d say it’s the existential issue! I would say it is the existential issue of our time. It’s something that I would say personally, I’m deeply invested in.

 

Peter Whittle: Why?

 

Poppy Coburn: I would say the reason behind that is something you never really hear this discussed in media, right? But if you’re a young person growing up in Britain today, things aren’t looking very good for you and I think one of the major reasons you can draw that back to is immigration.

 

So I’m a graduate, I graduated last year. That puts me at the marginal rate of tax, same level as a top earner. So, top city banker, I’m paying the same marginal rate of tax as he is. And I knew that, you know, when I joined up to university.

 

But then you start to think:

 

“Well, why are we paying all this money for our university education?”

 

Now, you can draw that back to immigration. Post 1992, when the university is liberalised. This was a big Blairite push. We’re going to get 50% of all young people going to university. This is a big social reform. And that was done. And then the justification was given:

 

“Well, now we have so many students, they’re going to have to pay their own way.”

 

Now, it’s increasingly becoming clear that a lot of these post 90, 92 universities are not providing the level of educational benefit that they’re promising to students. Right?

 

So you think, well, how are these universities staying open? Surely there can’t be enough people going to them. So I did a little bit of research and I’ve actually written a piece on it. Should be coming out soon. And I focused in on two universities.

 

So one was Middlesex, one was Bedfordshire, bottom of their league tables. Now, they both take around a third of their student body are foreign students, coming from abroad. And 75% of their students are postgraduates.

 

They also both offer one year Master’s courses, very, very cheap, under £10,000. Now, why are people taking these Masters courses?

 

Well, they’re coming here, right, because if you do a Master’s course for a year, you get a two year study visa. This was liberalized under Boris Johnson. You can bring dependents along as well. And through that back channel, people are entering the country, right? So this is one way in which young people are paying for this, because we’re paying to prop up these universities. Our fees are literally going to prop up these universities that should no longer exist, that are not doing what they’re saying on the tin.

 

Now, another thing I’ve noticed, I’ve moved to London, like so many other young people looking for work. And I would say about half of my wages go on rent. We have a serious housing crisis in the country. I consider myself to be like a yumby [?], I want there to be more housing developed, but it’s a very fraughtful political issue.

 

And everybody I’ve spoken to on this issue who will say:

 

“Yes, we’ve got this housing crisis.”

 

I will say:

 

“Well, that’s in part because of immigration, right?”

 

“Oh, well, no, that doesn’t play a part.”

 

But of course it plays a part! I mean, last year, for the first time ever, we gave out more than a million visas! By social and economic means, people tend to concentrate in cities and they migrate. Of course there’s competition there. Nobody’s really making these links, where immigration is not just something about boosting GDP. It affects every aspect of life! It affects the NHS, the Welfare State, education, all of these things! And nobody seems to be talking about it.

 

Peter Whittle: I fully agree with your analysis, your frustration, actually about it. Because I remember when I saw the London Assembly, housing would come up all the time. And it was clear as a bell that if London was at that time, the population was increasing exponentially, and there was not enough housing, but nobody would talk about what you might call the demand side. It was always the supply side. Should we be on brownfield sites or not?

 

It was never about the fact that obviously if you’ve got a massively increasing population.

 

But when you say people say:

 

“Oh, well, no, it’s not really to do that.”

 

Are you talking about people in the political sphere, or your peer group? Because it seems to me there’s a kind of denial, apart from everywhere else in the country, it seems to me, they all seem to understand these things.

 

Poppy Coburn: I mean, to be honest with you, I think there is this generalization of my generation, which would be generation Z, which say, we’re already, you know, woke, Left wing, whatever you want to call it. I don’t necessarily think that’s true. I think that is a generalization. And I think that you’re going to start to see as more people are graduating and going into the workforce and thinking:

 

“I haven’t got good prospects, I haven’t got much money, and I’ve got this government that just seems totally uninterested in me.”

 

How can you then be surprised that people are moving towards more radical ideologies?

 

I mean, people feel that they’ve got no stake in the country.

 

Peter Whittle: Yeah.

 

Poppy Coburn: And that’s why, when I wrote in this piece, we really can’t ignore the role that the Conservative government has played in creating this immigration crisis. We’ve had twelve years of Conservative government.

 

David Cameron, in his manifesto, 2010, before he got into power, he wrote that he wanted to take immigration levels back to what they were in the in the 90s. In the 90s we had immigration levels that were about 10,000 or so net, every year. And a Blair, they hit about 200,000, net every year.

 

Cameron gets elected and liberalizes immigration policy again. There’s no reduction in numbers. No reduction. There’s an increase in numbers! Same thing for Teresa May happened. But Theresa May at least still keeps up the:

 

“Well, we’re going to try and bring numbers down, and we’re going to try and do it through the hostile environment policy.”

 

And then you get Brexit, and post Brexit deal, Boris Johnson.

 

Boris Johnson pretty much just says:

 

“You know what? We obviously aren’t going to do anything about this. We’re coasting on our reputation as Bre excite rs.”

 

So people, voters, naively assumed that their concerns would be listened to.

 

And what I mentioned before about that educational mobilization of student visas, that was done under Boris Johnson! This is supposed to be our Brexit leader. I mean, let’s not beat around the bush here. People voted for Brexit to take back control! Take back control of their borders!

 

Peter Whittle: They’re kind of recalibrating. So that control actually means, it doesn’t mean less, that’s what they’re now saying. It means that we actually are making the decisions, which is entirely different! You can say that’s controlling. But in fact they’re controlling it in the way that it’s utterly opposed to how most people thought it was going to be.

 

I mean, when people look at this, you’ve given us a survey of all those years. When people look at it, you can understand why people start to wonder:

 

“What is going on here, actually? Why? Why will they not? Why indeed are they increasing?”

 

What would you say to them?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, there are two arguments for this. I’ve seen a lot of people say that there’s the economic belief that immigration brings all of these economic benefits to the country. Now, I’ve written about this before. If immigration is such “economic rocket fuel”, well, then why have we been in a 15 year productivity slump?

 

And one of the reasons for that is the thing is when you are importing a lot of low and middle skilled migrants, it creates this perverse incentive for companies not to invest in capital. And you’re really starting to see the consequences of that now. So the UK is really lagging behind many other EU member states in terms of our investment in technology. And this is something that economists have really started to point out and you can actually see a direct link to our massive upswing in immigration and reduction in capital investment. There’s a very clear relationship there.

 

So, you know, you can kind of back that aside and say that there are economic arguments against immigration. The government knows this, I think they know this, I would say that it is more justified in their mind as a “social good”. They see it as almost a humanitarian act.

 

Because if they were looking at this as something we need to do to boost the economy, well, then we would have something like the Singapore Visa system, which is half. If you are in Singapore with a work visa, if you leave your job, in seven days, you’re out! You have to leave the country! Workers don’t have, almost no rights at all. They’re considered foreign residents, they live in barracks on the outside of town. That is, their immigration system, certainly boosts their economy. That’s certainly not what we’re doing here.

 

I think they are, Truss in particular, and Boris Johnson, these are libertarians. They believe in immigration as a social good! And they are very out of step with what the average voter thinks. But I think they’ve been dishonest. I think they have got by for a very long time on saying one thing, and doing another. And that’s not how politics works.

 

Peter Whittle: I think when people talk about an ideologically based government, it’s hard to disagree, because apparently most voters now are round about, Leftwards economically, and then on cultural issues more to the Right. Libertarians are exactly the way around in a way. And I feel that they don’t even really care so much. Even when you come to the kind of cohesion arguments, the culture arguments, they don’t care, do they?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, then we can bring up the example of what’s been going on in Leicester, in the last couple of weeks. This is a very clear example of failure, of integration. This is inevitable! This is what happens when you have unrestrained immigration, and you allow people to settle in areas where they are not properly integrated, where they have no interest in integrating. Nor so does local government have any interest in integrating.

 

I mean, a lot of the problem with Leicester was sectarian violence. And if you could see some of the videos on social media, you see police officers kind of stand to the side, while people are shouting Hindu and Muslim sectarian slogans. And they are carrying out essentially ethnic battles from the Indian subcontinent in Leicester! How can you not say that that is something that is concerning for local people? I mean, of course it is.

 

Peter Whittle: I think it’s something as well that’s going to increase, actually.

 

Poppy Coburn: Absolutely! Absolutely!

 

Peter Whittle: There’s no question about that this is obviously a huge issue, but is it something that you’ve been interested in for a long time? And when did you get interested in politics, then? Actually?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, I think I’ve always been quite political, but you may find it slightly surprising. At university I was a very big environmental activist.

 

Peter Whittle: Now, I’ve heard of “little bird stop”. You were in Extinction Rebellion, is that right?

 

Poppy Coburn: I [chuckling] was!

 

Peter Whittle: We should go through that.

 

Poppy Coburn: So I went to Cambridge. So I matriculated in 2018. As soon as I joined, first thing I did was turning up to a group called “Cambridge Zero Carbon”. And it was essentially, it was an Extinction Rebellion, but as a university society. So I spent a lot of time going on Marches, being really involved in kind of Left leaning student politics.

 

So I’ve always been political. But my political opinions have evolved. I was a very big supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. I was absolutely devastated the night he lost the election. I actually described it as being one of the worst nights of my life.

 

Peter Whittle: Really?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes!

 

Peter Whittle: That’s quite a journey, in a short space of time, I suppose?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes, it is, I suppose. But there have been certain things that I’ve always, you know. I’ve always been populist. I’ve always supported Brexit, for one. I consider myself to be a Bre excite are, but I’ve always supported that. I’ve always backed people I’ve considered to be antiestablishment insurgents, people offering something fresh to British government. I’ve never liked the kind of Westminster lobby types. I think they are at fault for a lot of the decline we’ve seen in the last couple of decades. So I have jumped, certainly like cs.

 

Peter Whittle: Like in being in the environmentalist movement and Extinction Rebellion, because it’s pretty much always in the news now. But we just had this incident with one of the activists cs.

 

Poppy Coburn: Captain Tom.

 

Peter Whittle: Yes. Defiling the monument of Captain Tom Moore, with excrement. I mean, did you meet people like that?

 

Poppy Coburn: It’s funny that you mentioned this, because I’ve kind of been thinking about this in the past couple of days. And I was seeing this back when I was doing my activism. So this was a couple of years ago, it would have been about 2018, 2019. And what you were seeing were increasingly groups were splitting away from mainstream environmental groups like Extinction Rebellion, and they wanted something more radical.

 

And what you have to understand is the mindset of these people and myself at that time, when you are being told the world is going to end, you start to think:

 

“Well, if the world’s going to end, why are we just satting about on a bridge somewhere blocking cars? We should be doing something far more extreme!”

 

Now, prior to 2001, the 9/11 attacks, the most monitored terrorist groups were environmental groups. They were considered to be the greatest threat. Then for a few decades, it was the threat of Islamist terrorism. But I think in the next decade or so, we’re going to start to see environmental terrorism going back to the top.

 

So I think that particular example of the obviously very mentally disturbed young woman doing that, protest against, protests, if you can even call it that, I think you’re going to start to see more radicalized people in the environmental movement who are going towards these more extreme, dark corners. And I think the government should be deeply, deeply concerned about this!

 

Peter Whittle: It’s interesting you say that, actually, if you’re a young person and you are told all the time the war is going to end, actually that pretty much legitimizes extreme action.

 

Poppy Coburn: Mm.

 

Peter Whittle: That was obviously going to be your motivation. But also people around you, as well? I mean, you know, people you’re growing up, did it have that same effect on them?

 

Poppy Coburn: I think it takes a certain type of personality to be so taken up in this. But I would say if you talk to anybody really of my generation, and a little bit younger, they will have these very apocalyptic visions of the future.

 

Now, what I will say in defense of my generation, the leadership of all of these movements are very old! So when I was actually walking over, a few hours ago, I saw that around Westminster the streets have been blocked off by Just Stop Oil protesters. And every single one of them had silver hair! They were all over the age of 60!

 

Now, if you look at the anti-fracking protesters, same thing, all over 60!

 

The idea that this is like a “grassroots movement” coming up from young people, that’s not necessarily true. Young people have a right to be concerned about the future of the world, and the future of the government. But the people who are leading a lot of this wacky stuff, that’s not my generation.

 

Peter Whittle: This seems more of a class thing to me. They seem to be pretty solidly middle class.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah, I would say middle class, middle aged, perhaps unemployed, too much time on their hands. I mean, that goes for pretty much all activists.

 

But, yeah, I do think the more radicalized, of course you’re going to see younger people. That’s going to be the young people who are getting swept up in this. And I think it’s really sad. It’s really sad!

 

Peter Whittle: If that was what you were doing, do you not believe in any of it at all now, in the environmental thing, or what’s your position now?

 

Poppy Coburn: I think the problem is environmentalism is a very complex issue. And I think it’s sort of a thing that it will have a technocratic solution. You know, it is not the sort of thing that you, as an ordinary person, have much sway over. Because by its very nature, it is trans-national. It is extremely complex, and is dealing with, like, the levers of international capital and finance.

 

It’s not something that you can even start to address by recycling, or marching down the street with a megaphone, and calling on the government. I mean, to do what?

 

This is such a complex issue that I think it’s quite concerning that already you’re starting to see electorate turn against green options, because you’ve got this insane leadership! Like someone like Roger Hallam, who used to lead Extinction Rebellion. People that are glueing themselves outside the Houses of Parliament, or blocking roads. Everyone just thinks:

 

“Well, these are just a bunch of silly, middle class, hippies. I’m not going to pay attention to them!”

 

But it’s a real issue, it’s going to impact us all. It should be left to government. It shouldn’t be left to these extremely Left-wing activists who are using it as a package to push for very Left-wing policies.

 

Peter Whittle: Yeah, I mean, my experience anyway, of the Greens, actually. We said in fact, they were more Left wing than Jeremy Corbyn. The old saying, what is it, watermelons? Read on the inside. Essentially, a lot of Marxists, …

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes!

 

Peter Whittle: Went up into this area and took on a different mantle. Do I take it then, that you’re not, for example, in agreement about, say, Net Zero?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, net zero is going to be disastrous for the average man on the street. And it’s going to be absolutely disastrous for the average man on the street. I think, you know, one of the massive problems of the environmentalist movement has been the turn away from nuclear energy, and it frustrates me to no end.

 

And it’s because people have accepted that decline is inevitable. We’ve basically said, the only way we’re going to be able to deal with all of these problems is by shrinking the economy, shrinking our power on the international stage, and essentially just giving up.

 

And that’s not just an environmentalist thing that’s I think the dominant mindset of your average state official today is decline. Is decline! There’s no idea of taking control, taking the mantle and actually pushing for pro-growth, green growth, but actual green growth. No talk about nuclear energy, no talk about, like, actually dealing with China or India, you know, actually really cracking down on it.

 

It’s just well, we’re going to have to, like, scale everything back and the next generation is going to have to accept being poorer. And they won’t. They simply won’t. You can’t expect to have another generation of Conservative voters, if they are just being left out in the cold, which is what’s happening.

 

Peter Whittle: Yes, it is hard not to see that the younger people. I mean, when I think, for example, of traveling. Just the expense of it now. And you look back and think:

 

“God, we were very luckier! We had this sort of extraordinary gold era of travel.”

 

Tell me a bit about your actual background. Where did you grow up?

 

Poppy Coburn: I was born in Southend. I’m an Essex girl. But I lived in Maldon, which is a small town in North Essex. I went to a comprehensive school. I was quite geeky from an early age. It stood out like a sore thumb, really. Then went to a grammar school for sixth form in Colchester. And then went off to Cambridge. And it was an absolute culture shock.

 

I found myself feeling very desperately wanting to keep up with my peers, who tended to be quite Left leaning, wealthy. I couldn’t believe that they all had parents that were voting Remain, for example. They were so out of touch with even just your average Middle Englander.

 

I found that quite fascinating. So I think that really entrenched in me this anti establishment feeling. Because you are made to feel slightly like an outsider, even when you do claw your way into these institutions.

 

Peter Whittle: Did you like it, though? Did you enjoy your time there?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, I would say it was difficult because the pandemic hit in my second year.

 

Peter Whittle: Oh, of course.

 

Poppy Coburn: So as much as I loved my course, I adored my course. It was one of those early signs that things weren’t going to be fun. As a young person in the UK, you realize that you are being asked to make these horrendous sacrifices, for no real game.

 

And I think, like so many other young people, I fell into this horrendous, you know, dark kind of feeling of like, hopelessness. It was very, very difficult!

 

Peter Whittle: What actually was the sort of day to day reality of being a college student during the pandemic? Everything done remotely, presumably.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah.

 

Peter Whittle: Was that what it was? You just sat in your room and just had lectures and things?

 

Poppy Coburn: Pretty much. So I had asked to go back because I didn’t have enough space at home to work. I didn’t have this massive, gigantic house! I could have my own study to work in. So I had to come back. But that meant I was living alone in my dorms. I wasn’t allowed to go out and walk around, I wasn’t allowed to speak to the other people at the college. I was sat in my room all day.

 

And that had just the most horrendous impact!

 

Peter Whittle: I imagine.

 

Poppy Coburn: It really, really did! And I think in the next decade or so, we’re really going to start to see the effects of that. Not just on my age group, which just about got the tail end of it on our education experience. But I always think about the people who have had their GCs disrupted, their A levels disrupted, or even primary school children. The impact it’s had on education and socialization has just been absolutely disastrous! And for what? It was a very, very difficult time!

 

Peter Whittle: I’ve been thinking a lot about this myself recently, and I think I’d rather underestimated the general impact it had on me too. I got this great sense of foreboding that nothing was actually going to go back to being what it was. And to an extent, obviously, it has. Although there is this feeling of things have had the stuffing knocked out of them. Yeah, I still have that feeling.

 

Poppy Coburn: I think we almost accepted this fatalistic narrative of, like, this is what the world’s going to be like now? Things are just bleak. I mean, can you think of a single person who’s optimistic about the future, at the moment?

 

Peter Whittle: I think most people don’t seem to think about the future at all.

 

Poppy Coburn: I know. I think we’ve almost been stuck in the politics of “Now”. Just getting through the week, just getting through the month, and the next paycheck. Just getting through the next government.

 

I mean, who has a vision for the future anymore? Not to draw too heavily upon my Left wing roots, but a quote I come back to quite often, something that Karl Marx actually wrote, one of his letters to Engels, which is:

 

“The bourgeoisie used to think in terms of hundreds of years. Now it can barely think in terms of a decade.”

 

Well, then I would amend that and say that the elite class now can’t even think of the next week or so. it’s just crisis to crisis, to crisis! There is no vision for Britain anymore. It is just decline.

 

Peter Whittle: Can I ask, we’ve been doing some filming recently and it’s basically about young people, … I just feel terribly condescending, young people, … It’s about basically indoctrination that happens in schools, and things. And yet some people seem to come through it, and come through university, whether it’s because they are strong minded or individual whatever, somehow unscathed by this process.

 

Do you think that that is a correct analysis? There are people like yourself, you’re writing for Telegraph now you were writing for UnHeard. Okay, you were Left wing once. What would you call yourself now?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, I describe myself as a progressive. But I’m not a progressive in any sense of the terms, … I believe in pretty much making Britain a superpower again! I want to see it going forward. I don’t want to be stuck in the past, right.

 

Peter Whittle: Well, great! Basically, when young people often get in touch with me and they sort of say:

 

“I’m the only one, I don’t like wokery. I’m not on the Left. But everyone else seems to be around me.”

 

What should they do? What advice would you give them?

 

Poppy Coburn: What I would say is, it is very very difficult to be the first person that stands up and says:

 

“I don’t agree with this!”

 

When I broke away from the orthodoxy, when I was at university, I suddenly found myself extremely isolated.

 

Peter Whittle: Really?

 

Poppy Coburn: Which is understandable. I’d been working with these people for years on our political campaigns. And I started to waver, sort of thing. I don’t think this is right anymore.

 

Suddenly I found myself out in the cold. That’s really, really, tough! It does take strength of character to get through that. But what I would say is, you’re not alone. Because I think more and more people now are quietly coming to the conclusion that this isn’t right. It’s the social dynamics punish you as an individual for standing up and saying:

 

“I disagree!”

 

But the more people that do, it the less power this kind of pressure has on other people. Which is why it’s so important, if you are young, if you are doubting this orthodoxy, if you’re strong enough, stand up and say it! Don’t be afraid.

 

Because people around you, even if they don’t tell you, will be taking notice. But it does take strength of character and it can affect your life. It can affect your friendships. Your relationships. Your job. It’s not something you should take lightly.

 

But I certainly think if you want to go into journalism, or politics, if you’re too afraid to do it now, then maybe it’s not the Right career for you.

 

Peter Whittle: Would you say, you’ve gone into journalism, because actually you’re doing lots of different things, aren’t you? You’re a producer GB News? But it seems to me that that is one area of journalism where it would be very hard to actually say to somebody to try and make a living at it. Do you think that’s true?

 

Poppy Coburn: Oh, yeah, absolutely! I mean, it’s a sacrifice. It has to be a passion project for you. It certainly is for me.

 

What I would say as well is there’s a real temptation to, once you enter this kind of political world, to say what other people are saying. So you get invited to the dinner parties, you go to the conference circuit. You know that when you walk into a room, you agreeing with all the people around you.

 

But then I think, well, why bother? Go into finance, and make a load of money in the City! Unless you are absolutely passionate about something, you’ve got a vision for the country you want to see. Well, if it’s in any decent vision, it’s going to upset some people. If you’re not upsetting people, you’re probably not doing it right.

 

Peter Whittle: You say that yours is to see Britain being a superpower.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah.

 

Peter Whittle: Well, I think that’s the first time I’ve heard someone on this channel say that.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah.

 

Peter Whittle: Just broadly speaking, what are the steps to that? I know let’s have a series! But what has to change fundamentally, do you think? I think one of the most demoralizing things we live with is this culture self-loathing, which is not shared by most people in this country, but it certainly is by the elites, if you like.

 

Poppy Coburn: It’s to say that it can be done! That is the first thing you must do, is to accept that fatalism has no place in politics anymore. It is doable to push for that identity. I mean, you can look at the Italian elections, right? The election of Giorgia Meloni. Who would have thought that this woman could have taken power in Italy? She’s pushing for things that I may not agree with everything with it.

 

The most important thing, she has a vision for Italy. She wants Italy to be powerful again. We don’t have any politicians like that, really, in the UK. I’ve written about this before. Like, who’s the English Ceasar? Who do we have that’s got a really strong vision to transform the country and to turn it into something great again? It just takes a few people to stand up and say:

 

“That is what I believe in!”

 

It’s not enough to just complain about the Left. That’s what I essentially believe.

 

Peter Whittle: No, it’s not, indeed. I couldn’t agree more. But it can be very comfortable just for [word unclear]. What about you? I mean, would you have a stand for anything, election?

 

Poppy Coburn: I would hope so, in the future?

 

Peter Whittle: Oh you will?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes, in the future.

 

Peter Whittle: Put your money where your mouth is?

 

Poppy Coburn: Oh, yes, certainly! But probably not now. I can’t imagine anybody would like to be lectured to by someone of my age, but I do it [chuckling] anyway!

 

Peter Whittle: Absolutely. Well, look, we shall follow your progress.

 

Poppy Coburn: Thank you.

 

Peter Whittle: And I have to say, it’s very good to hear such optimism, really is! Thank you very much for coming.

 

Poppy Coburn: Thank you.

 

Peter Whittle: That’s Poppy Coburn there. We shall see you next week. And in the meantime, have a good time. Okay? Bye.

 

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782 Comments

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Alexander Johns
1 day ago
Great to hear a younger person acknowledging the truths about immigration that the establishment and media deny exists.
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Froot Mcgoose
1 day ago
Hear! Hear!
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
…and right-wing racism in general doesn’t solve it either.
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Corayn Bell
1 day ago (edited)
@ahsen khan Nothing about racism. I don’t know why you brought it into the conversation. It is because we have our own people who have paid into the system who have nowhere to live, insufficient doctors, schools and many using the Health Service which they have paid nothing into. Also many foreigners come and do not want to embrace the language, culture, history and the morals of the British people! I could go on but you should get the message!
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
@ahsen khan Those tired old labels don’t work anymore, except among the deluded & misguided. Let us know your actual agenda, rather than projecting your own failings on to the host community . Come on – be honest!
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin = Joke
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Merc Type-8
1 day ago
@ahsen khan If immigration continues as it is ‘right wing racism’ will be the least of the worries.
It’s as if accusing Britain of being racist for so long, to no avail, has prompted some in Government to force us to be, in order to protect our families, homes and communities.
The court cases sayng Rwanda is not safe for immigrants, only prove what Britain must do to solve the problem.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
@ahsen khan Joke ?No – I’m perfectly serious .
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin serious ?

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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Merc Type-8 Did I Accuse the entire British else as racist
But yes Right winged is more problem than immagrants
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
@ahsen khan For you.
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin yes I am Serious
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barrie watson
1 day ago
@ahsen khan it would damm well change somthing .
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barrie watson
1 day ago
@ahsen khan you are talking rubbish sir
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David Adiwego
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin the deluded & misguided are calling most of the shots in this country, either directly or indirectly. And they’re of all walks of life and political leanings. Here’s a typical conservative leaning person’s delusion: (with bellow-replacement birth rates, thanks to women’s-lib, and an aging population, thanks to the national and governmental denial of/fight against natural death) the UK shouldn’t have mass immigration, AND shouldn’t have a managed GDP and geo-political decline to that of a nation of 40 million people.
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philip rufus
1 day ago
@ahsen khan You would’nt know a negative right winger if one jumped up and bit you in the A – – you’v never seen one junior,trust me neither have I. My late fathers generation fought them,we know nowt.
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Billy Moffat
22 hours ago
@ahsen khan sorry dude you need some spelling correction, otherwise we are losing shit in translation.

cib kur kur
19 hours ago
sunak will bring more computer workers to uk.

Blue Sky
18 hours ago
@Corayn Bell
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G Bentley
1 day ago
Breath of fresh air. It is so refreshing to hear a young person deliver a thoughtful, reasoned and articulate argument for and against topics of the day. On brexit she was spot on.
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Colin Lawless
1 day ago
Immigration is by far Britain’s biggest issue since world war 2.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
We got captured by the Global American Empire and its open borders Globalisation project in 1945 and never broke free.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
Isolated Britain hs no more say since WW2 when became an american colony
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Steven Farrall
1 day ago
Oh, make it five. Total abject and unremitting total government and bureaucratic failure.
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Neil Saunders
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses Exactly!
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Neil Saunders
1 day ago
Yes.
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Unloved otto
1 day ago
Beautiful based girl .
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S North
1 day ago (edited)
@Didier Lemoine The issue has little to do with Americans, though the individuals in charge of American Finance and Banking most certainly do have everything to answer for.
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Rab Mcleod
1 day ago
Thank you Peter and Poppy for common sense conversation.
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Adetola Ayodele
1 day ago
I am a Black African with 5 daughters at the University of Newcastle., the youngest being 18. We got into the country last June

S North
1 day ago
@Adetola Ayodele Do the Math, you could not possibly have 5 daughters attend University at the same time unless you had 2 pairs of twins, is that what you are expecting people to believe, lol.
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Adetola Ayodele
1 day ago
@S North , trust me, I do. It is a feat which I struggle to believe; myself. All our savings from Nigeria are almost gone though. I have two wives.

S North
1 day ago
@Adetola Ayodele Of course you did and of course you do.
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Adetola Ayodele
1 day ago
@S North ok big pants.

Alastair McMurray
1 day ago
With appropriate backing she will go far. It’s lovely to hear someone with conviction and a vision for our country.
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Timothy Martin
1 day ago
How utterly refreshing to hear Poppy Coburn saying what I have been thinking for a long time. Listening to her has been a therapy session, with my delusion that I am the only person who seems to think this country is in a self destruct race to self destruction. I feel like the sunshine of hope for the future has just appeared over the Horizon. Poppy thank you, and PLEASE go into politics, as we desperately need politicians who give a damn about our country.
Make Britain Great Again.
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Ann Chadwick
1 day ago
Thank you Timothy
You speak my thoughts
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Timothy Martin
1 day ago
@Ann Chadwick
You’re very welcome Ann
We are NOT alone
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Hugh Muir
1 day ago
Politicians are not willing to face the fact that in order to limit immigration we must leave the ECHR.
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Graham T
Graham T
1 day ago
They know exactly what they’re doing, that is the worry. It’s all very sinister. That’s why the people have to vote for an alternative, before it’s too late to turn the tide.
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STEVE WEEDEN
1 day ago
Irrelevant what we belong to.
Political will and a love for your culture is what’s required.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
Get rid of that sinister 1951 UN treaty on immigration/ asylum seekers too!
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Jujutrini
1 day ago
Not true at all.

Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago
Suella Braverman MP knows that it is the only way.

goldeneddie
1 day ago
It’s no accident and not ‘incompetence’ that is driving these people to damage and dismantle our country, because – as they openly admit – they want to ‘Build Back Better’. And ‘building back’ can only occur after demolition
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Al Mac
Al Mac
1 day ago
Nailed it!!
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mazpac
1 day ago
The great reset!
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P.G. Reitsma
1 day ago
Precisely. They meet every year in Davos and things become worse in the developed nations.
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Amanda Morton-King
1 day ago (edited)
Peter Whittle again showing what an excellent interviewer he is; allowing the interviewee time and the security to clearly express themselves whilst still being asked challenging questions.
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Ann Chadwick
1 day ago
He always gives his guests time to fully express their thoughts
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Garry Irvin
1 day ago
When I become PM, he will be my Chief of Staff…..
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jrbs
1 day ago
The Conservative politicians have ignored everything that Party Members want.
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Karen Mancina
1 day ago
They certainly have
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mazpac
1 day ago
Even now – the politicians wanted Sunak, the party members wanted Truss, so they are working to undermine us and get their way as usual!
Their arrogance cannot be ignored but as the two main parties are technically the same, it’s difficult to overcome.
But we must!
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RaggyCat
1 day ago
Poppy gives me hope for the future of our country. All is not lost.
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Robert Reynolds
1 day ago
Absolutely correct ,I will be voting for the Reform Party. They cannot be any worse than the current Parties ,and hopefully we will get rid of the old guard.
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Vinn Paraffin
1 day ago
Tories mk2!

Robert Reynolds
1 day ago
@Vinn Paraffin And your suggestion is ?
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Gill PS
1 day ago
They will do as they are told, if not from within, from without. Banks. How everything alters evrry time someone gets into power.
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Maponus Reborn
1 day ago
What is happening to our nation is positively insane. How much more of the wrong sort of immigration can our small – repeat – small island take??? When will the penny finally drop?
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goldeneddie
1 day ago
They KNOW what they’re doing. It’s no accident and not ‘incompetence’ that is driving these people to damage and dismantle our country, because – as they openly admit – they want to ‘Build Back Better’. And ‘building back’ can only occur after demolition
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
From Ireland to Sweden the European is being demographically replaced.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses no Britain needs 2 millions african low cost migrants to replace too expensif british workers asking for pay rise !
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Peter France
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses For no positive reason
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Peter France
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine Apparently Britain needs 70 million africans, and it looks like Britain will get them too.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@Peter France yes they all want to come to Britain from speaking english countries
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WhiskyJackAttack 88
1 day ago
What the hell are you saying lmao

DanDob
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine no thanks we don’t want to lose our identity like France has.
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S North
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses Indeed, though it is merely an ‘attempt’ to demographically replace, and that attempt has been, and is to be, thwarted.

cyclist68
13 hours ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses Correct, I was shocked when an Irish friend told me what was going on there and the numbers.

Peter France
1 day ago
It is a gigantic demographic change that has been carried out expressly against the public’s wishes. Consistently and knowingly.
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HABU1
21 hours ago (edited)
I would disagree to a large extent Peter…..well off pensioners, (and middle aged) students, and the many many people whose I.Q is not brilliant, don’t give a shit.

Peter France
11 hours ago
@HABU1 Let’s have a referendum on the matter.

Heracles
1 day ago
On this one issue failure alone the Tories would have lost the next election
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Peter France
1 day ago
To paraphrase the great Groucho Marx: If that issue doesn’t persuade you, well they have others.
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Stu McCabe
1 day ago
If drastic action on immigration isn’t taken soon, in 20 or 30 years this country might degenerate into two or more distinct communities in conflict, like Northern Ireland on a giant scale. Or new political parties based on religion/race might arise – we could end up with a government that makes Sharia the law of the land. The low fertility rate of native Brits guarantees that we will become a minority this century. I can’t think of a more vital issue.
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
It’s already happened in Belgium
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Peter France
1 day ago
In other words true multiculturalism. A magnificent achievement.
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cyclist68
13 hours ago
Notice how demographics and the huge changes we are seeing is the one subject they never allow you to bring up. Including at “The home of free speech” Talkradio.
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Cybertronian Savant
1 day ago
Gives a glimmer of hope to see that there’s at least a few in the younger generations that are able to think ahead.
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Bewildered Brit
Bewildered Brit
1 day ago
Everyone scratching their heads about the housing crisis are just playing stupid. This is all DELIBERATE.
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Gail Platt
1 day ago
I certainly seems so, but why would they be so stupid, so damaging towards the country?
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devlinX
1 day ago
People like this young lady need to find like-minded individuals and start a new political party/movement with logic instead of feelings at the heart of it.
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Clark Ramsey
1 day ago (edited)
THIS YOUNG LADY IS PERFECTLY CORRECT, WE VOTED FOR BREXIT TO TAKE BACK OUR BORDERS, & BORIS THE BUFFOON IGNORED THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED THEM IN. .
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
You voted brexit to control immigration, others voted brexit for the exact opposite reason.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
Britain needs millions of low cost african migrants
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David Paterson
1 day ago
“Take back control” was about EU FOM, not all immigration (how could leaving the EU affect migration from India?). If you cut off the nearest and easiest source of legal migration to a country with low unemployment and a skills shortage, then you are likely to increase the flow of legal migrants from the rest of the world – which is exactly what has happened. Illegal migration is a separate issue altogether but again, removing yourself from the agreement (“Dublin” agreement) that compelled EU countries to take back migrants who had no legitimate claim in the U.K. was hardly going to help.
If you thought that voting for a Brexit would reduce immigration overall, you were mistaken, that wasn’t even a Leave campaign promise – only the “point based system” and ending FOM – both of which have been delivered.
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David Paterson
1 day ago
“Take back control” was about EU FOM, not all immigration (how could leaving the EU affect migration from India?). If you cut off the nearest and easiest source of legal migration to a country with low unemployment and a skills shortage, then you are likely to increase the flow of legal migrants from the rest of the world – which is exactly what has happened. Illegal migration is a separate issue altogether but again, removing yourself from the agreement (“Dublin” agreement) that compelled EU countries to take back migrants who had no legitimate claim in the U.K. was hardly going to help.
If you thought that voting for a Brexit would reduce immigration overall, you were mistaken, that wasn’t even a Leave campaign promise – only the “point based system” and ending FOM – both of which have been delivered.
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
@David Paterson you are spot on. Thank you for expressing these points so clearly. Brexiters are really slow on the uptake.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
British r migrants too so

Stellar Jay Atkins
1 day ago
@David Paterson migration isn’t necessary, nor is it a “net positive”. Ever.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@Winston Smith do u really think all migrants r legal in Britain ? do u still believe in unicorns ?
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Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago
@Winston Smith Her/his irony was too much for me as well
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Barra Zoot
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine Troll
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Winston Smith
1 day ago
@Norfolk Sceptic There is irony, then there is mysticism.
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Jon Mould
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine no way!!!

Susanna Marker
1 day ago
Buffoon, not bafoon.
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Clark Ramsey
1 day ago
@Susanna Marker TERRIBLEY SORRY, SUSANNA.

Susanna Marker
1 day ago
@Clark Ramsey Terribly, not terribley.
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David Paterson
1 day ago
@Stellar Jay Atkins I was replying to someone who seemed to believe that there was a relationship between Brexit and migration in general, which is not the case and was never claimed by the Leave campaign. You are of course entitled to your opinion on whether migration is necessary or has any value, but that wasn’t the subject.
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Jo Blog s
1 day ago
Thay we’re never going to let us leave.
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Neil Saunders
1 day ago
@Barra Zoot I think you’re right. At first, I thought he was merely dealing in heavy irony.
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Clark Ramsey
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine WHY, WE HAVE ENOUGH YOUNG & OLDER PEOPLE TO TRAIN RIGHT HERE.
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Stellar Jay Atkins
1 day ago
@David Paterson most of the people pushing for it DID think it was about reducing immigration and controlling who could enter. One of the main faces of Brexit, Nigel Ferage also said things to that effect MANY times.
To claim there was no connection between the two is absurd.
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David Paterson
1 day ago
@Stellar Jay Atkins Oh indeed, Farage and others did INFER that, most notably in that poster of his – but anyone with any sense knew that Farage, not even an MP, was in no position to promise anything of the kind.. But the official Leave campaign emphatically did NOT promise that all immigration would be reduced. To do so would have been “absurd” – it would have been transparently obvious that leaving the EU had absolutely nothing whatever to do with non EU legal migration – how could it? If you are saying that the Brexit campaigners were very happy that many people mistakenly believed – you said “did think” – that and voted to Leave the EU because, absurdly, they imagined that had some connection with immigration from Nigeria or Pakistan then yes, I’m sure your right, of course they did. But believing something to be true that is self-evidently not true doesn’t make it true.
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
You might remember something from the night of brexit results. It was a huge surprise that cities like Birmingham voted heavily in favour of Brexit. It flummoxed the presenters and experts on the night, but the more astute noted that the reduction of immigration from Europe would mean an increase from south asian and African areas.
The establishment in government havent been slow in giving people what they voted for.
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David Paterson
13 hours ago
@Clark Ramsey No, unfortunately we don’t. U.K. unemployment is currently 3.7% and there are over 1.25 million vacancies. Unemployment much below 4% is generally reckoned by economists to be “full employment” because a) some of those counted as “out of work” are simply between jobs and b) every country has a fairly small number of people (in the U.K., maybe 500-750k) who are simply unemployable, for any number of reasons (frankly, some of them are just too dim to do most modern jobs and some lead chaotic lives). One of the reasons growth is low is that we simply don’t have enough people with the right skills to do the jobs that are already available. You can argue that we should “train the ones we have” – but who, exactly? Are we going to train the unemployable to be software engineers and get people out of retirement to train as nurses? Not as simple as shouting in all caps and waving a little flag.
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Mr Ror
11 hours ago
@Stellar Jay Atkins you and other brexiters got done over, admit it. I know it’s hard to admit.
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Mr Ror
11 hours ago
@Clark Ramsey using caps do not make your arguments any stronger.

Alexander Johns
1 day ago
Politicians seem to ensure that they serve themselves first, their outside interests next, their party third and their futures fourth. If any of those self interests happen in some way to benefit their constituents or the country that’s probably an unintended consequence.
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jimmy s
1 day ago
What a breath of fresh air this young woman is.
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Jonathan Spilhaus
1 day ago
We need someone like Giorgia Meloni or Kari Lake, who are strongly anti-immigration
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thomas robert
1 day ago
we need a hard right leader strong enough to ignore the political and establishment class and to give our people the kind of country we want not the crime ridden nightmare they are trying to force on us. MILLIONS are waiting for that leader, and MILLIONS are ready and willing to fight on our streets for the right leader and for our country, our women and our children, we are waiting for you an army of british people are waiting but you must be the real deal no more talkers we’ve had enough of them.
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Eric Boxer
1 day ago
Kari lake is ok but she ain’t gonna do it ..the uk needs a real radical
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Kshitij Sharma
1 day ago
Nigel farage ?
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Simon Stones
1 day ago
@thomas robert oh my god, where are these people, cause I don’t see them! I see a broken, compliant bunch with no back bone…
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Simon Stones
1 day ago
@S North well let’s hope so bruvs

Anthony Rigby
1 day ago
Brilliant ! A young person who has got a grip on the reality of what’s going on. Pity our political class can’t see it !
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thomas robert
1 day ago
they arrange, organise and run it you berk.
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Mike
1 day ago
When Sir Winston Churchill made his famous quote about Russia being a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, he might as well have been talking about the Conservative Party and their policies.
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PGH Engineer
1 day ago
It’s not so difficult when you realise that almost all Conservative Party funding comes from a relatively small number of rich individuals and corporations. He who pays the piper calls the tune – that’s why they do it.
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Ellen O’Neill
1 day ago
Thank you Peter, Poppy Coburn and Eva Vlaardingerbroek are surely the future this country needs.
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1adebarde
1 day ago
At present there are not enough houses being built in Britain, yet in continues to accept wave after wave of illegal immigrants. You can’t really blame the French who have 1000s of immigrants on their shores waiting to come here, it’s because of Britain’s no border policy.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago (edited)
Let’s face it – this is a problem facing the whole continent of Europe.
We should applaud & highlight those brave leaders who have courageously stood up to the bullying Globalist elite of the Eu , & not permitted their countries to be used in this way – for one , take a bow Mr Victor Orban of Hungary!
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cyclist68
13 hours ago
Correct. If they were all desperate to get in to Scotland we wouldn’t be doing our best to keep them in Northumbria would we.

Clark Ramsey
1 day ago (edited)
I LOVE THIS YOUNG LADY, POPPY, SHE IS SPOT ON IN EVERY THING SHE SAYS, WHY CAN’T TRUSS, TAKE HER ON BOARD, WONDERFUL I COULD LISTEN TO HER ALL DAY, I FOR ONE WOULD VOTE FOR YOU POPPY.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
Immigration under 100,000 ?!!
How about ZERO – for the next 25 years, as a pledge to make up for the damage , starting with Blair, that was done for the last 25!! This alongside a stringent policy of removal/ deportation of illegals, foreign criminals , etc – & also for those remaining,for the slightest infraction of our laws.
A policy of aid to more affected countries , to help build infrastructure & provide jobs , wild perhaps be a humane & practical approach, encouraging people to stay at home & develop their own countries. Exchanges for training/ skills development ok, as long as it is understood that this is temporary domicile .
How much does the NHS expend on translation services alone ??
These kind of ridiculous situations can not go on. Change should preferably be made , before change is forced upon us!
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin indeed, working in the NHS I see the effects every day at work. Need a break from trying to integrate these people. It’s almost like the country is taking a modest punch to the liver over and over again and it will only hold out so long.
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Gary Marshall
1 day ago
I hope Poppy is more often on Culture Forum, she speaks for millions
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The Alternative View
1 day ago
Absolutely love this channel. Keep up the amazing work you guys do.
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Philip Ford
1 day ago
This is the very first time I’ve heard anyone bring up how immigration is handled by SE Asian governments. Not just Singapore – look anywhere in SE Asia and see governments which enforce their immigration laws. Well done, Poppy – this comparison needs to be made more often, and loudly.
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Geraldine Diggins
1 day ago
What an impressive young lady. So pleased to know that she is a producer at GB News and that she might be willing to throw her hat in the ring to help get this country on its feet again. Believe, visualise and DO. We need to have a “CAN DO” attitude which is far from prevalent in these times. Good luck Poppy Coburn and thank you Peter for introducing her to us.
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Steve Pearce
1 day ago
My main disagreement with Poppy is the establishment absolutely threads together the supply vs demand of immigration. It’s where their paycheque comes from. Look up an article in the spectator called the housing mafia that highlights the exact mechanism between politicians, land owners and housing construction.
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Milo Sander
1 day ago
Hooray!, Poppy
She shares my sentiment, make Britain a super power.
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Elk Paz
2 hours ago
I flinched at that but in truth if you’re not a super power, you’re under some else’s boot, so be powerful and spread the light.

Milo Sander
1 hour ago
@Elk Paz England /GB/ The West has done so much good in the world. Others have tried, but it just isn’t the same. Pre1914 thinking with a twist of 2022 technological know-how will go long way.
We all need to take a stand and say it how it is, facts over feelings etc.
Stay awesome and keep on keeping on.
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Linda A
1 day ago
Great interview . I very much enjoyed listening to this very intelligent and forthright young lady . I wish her every good luck for her future .
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nigbiker
1 day ago
This woman is so spot on in her analysis, i hope we hear a lot more from her
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John Catto
1 day ago
Sounds a very sensible young lady, I am sure she will go far in whatever direction she may choose to go.
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cliona moore
1 day ago
Wonderful conversation with such an articulate and switched on young woman .
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Strelnikoff
1 day ago
It’s great to see someone this positive for a change.
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N0w3lly
1 day ago (edited)
The thing that doesn’t make sense is the fact that Conservative voters are switching en masse to Labour who are, let’s face it, the architects of mass immigration, and have not at any time criticised it! People are not going to get different, or economic improvements, either way, in my opinion. They need to start having courage to vote for a new order, and for real change/ reform
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Graham T
Graham T
1 day ago
It’s clear that most voters are dense, believing that they have just two choices where voting is concerned. To teach the Tories a lesson they’ll vote for Labour. The NE England ‘red wall’ flip flop was an example, many Lab voters turning to Con. They’ll now flip back. The establishment knows that it has us exactly where it wants us, and that’s why they are blatantly rubbing our noses in immigration, covid etc etc.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
@Graham T
but if you are not one of those you call dense can i assume you marched with the EDL when they were on our streets, all those who didn’t may as you say be dense but much worse they were/are all cowards.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Did you vote BNP when they were on the rise, over 1 million votes? I did.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses imagine over one million on our streets and it would be many more now as brits are waking up.
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Mike o’ Glen
1 day ago
The thing is, N0w, if you don’t vote Con you have to vote Lab. Unless, you want to waste you vote on Lib Demm or some such…

N0w3lly
1 day ago
@thomas robert Thomas… just as Graham should not have called people dense, neither should you equivocate not voting for Labour or the Conservatives as if that means an EDL supporter, which is asinine. Let us just start realising and understanding what mass uncontrolled migration has done: 1) the equivalent of one whole Cardiff a year, every year for 20 years, have added to the population. This strains housing stock, NHS and schools capacity, especially when you are given no opportunity to predict/ plan ahead for such unprecedented numbers, 2) especially the case with free movement/ illegal immigration, you don’t really have a clue who are coming in, and whether they have genuinely good or bad intentions, whether they intend to assimilate into society or divide it, or ghettoise it, or whether they intend to obey or break the law, 3) millions of low-medium skilled workers are the overwhelming average that have come in, and that has both flooded the employment market at those levels and suppressed wages. These are not good effects to existing citizens, let alone new ones coming in, 4) the existential threat to national security cannot be ignored or understated. The evidence demonstrates that gang violence, child rape gangs, murder, vicious street robberies, and many more serious crimes have been on the increase as a result of these irresponsible Russian Roulette policies. It is okay for most politicians: they aren’t the ones who have to face and suffer the consequences of their decisions. The rest of society does! That is NOT a nod nor expression of support to EDL or skinheads, and you ought to take that dense slur back
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Bushwhacked Dos.
1 day ago
I’m afraid to destroy the Tory party we are going to have to suffer Labour.
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Stephen Eurosailor
1 day ago
@N0w3lly Well said.

F F
1 day ago
Poppy, I despair that I am the only one seeing the truth and then a young person like you comes along and gives me hope . Thank you Poppy
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Ian Pendlebury
1 day ago
Poppy is a marvellously articulate and grounded lady. Great find for the channel and more importantly for the future of the UK. I say ” go for it Poppy, don’t wait”. We are currently in the hands of an old order which needs to be changed … and as soon possible.
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chris solen
1 day ago
Poppy should be on Mainstream much more. The middle englander’s would certainly understand her and agree with her views
. Most politicians only seek power for themselves and what that can lead to. Fresh ideas are pushed back by left media and left generally. Money always speaks and that’s why lobby groups with money have so much power. Look at Ken Clarke big beast in Politics but connected to Tobacco group who’s product killed millions. Dominic Grieve who pretended to support Brexit with Mrs May but connected with EDF , French energy company. It proves my point
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D. Marques
1 day ago
To the “New Culture Forum”, it would be much appreciated if you could address the increasing number of “BIRTH TOURISTS” in the U.K. & in Western Europe alike. It’s becoming a reality none of us should ignore! Thanks in advance!…
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Trevor Dent
1 day ago
A breath of fresh air indeed, well said Poppy.
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Loui J
1 day ago
I rate this lady hope she goes far in her endeavours!
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AntonHu
11 hours ago
What a breath of fresh air this young woman is. All power to her.

Smart Silver 1962
1 day ago
Gradually our people will come to understand that very few of the present politicians no matter which party they represent stand with us for the good of our country. So many own agendas stand in the way of what we can all see is right and wrong.
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Jennifer Bate
1 day ago (edited)
Brilliant interviewer. thank you Peter.
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sheep83
1 day ago
She’s right re Universities. We advertised for a management position in May, and the vast majority of applicants were West African students about to finish their Masters course.
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
My wife see this also at her university which is one of the major providers of nurses. Over half the classrooms are full of south asians, by all means some are going to make it, but most are not equipped with what it takes to be a nurse.
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Nagisasan36
1 day ago
What a breath of fresh air she is
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Graham Sewell
1 day ago
Poppy Coburn , an articulate, intelligent and honest commentator. Spot on with universities – need to close at least half and make the remainder serve British students with the skills we need. Immigration is destroying our culture, our lifestyle and quality of life – as well as pressurising housing, health and trsnsport. Not to mention crime and public safety. Complete pause on immigration for at least 10 years
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HABU1
21 hours ago
Well Graham for at least 15/20 years universities have been a business as opposed to a reaching academic body.
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Elk Paz
2 hours ago
@HABU1 And Margaret Thatcher first introduced that ethos.

HABU1
9 minutes ago
@Elk Paz Nice try….all down to each subservient institution.

Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
Let’s be honest tho. It’s not just the numbers , it’s the nations and cultures they come from
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Culture is downstream from ethnicity and race.
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses I don’t think the British people would be as concerned if it was 300,000 settler Canadians , Australians and New Zealanders coming to the uk every year.
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Albert
1 day ago
They all take up resources that could be used by English people.
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
@Albert British ! And yes every single person uses resources. My point is and remains, there are people out there who are a lot more similar to us then others. And to prove that you can see who the British people make a fuss about coming here. Did we riot when older Hong Kongers were granted visas ? NO because they waved the old colonial flag sang god save the Queen and spoke highly of the uk. However we marched when hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern and North African people came. Why ? Because they have no link or respect for the culture, traditions and people of the uk. So if we’re gonna bring people in (at most in small quantity’s ) then it should be from very specific places. And heavily vetted
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
I have to agree here, if this was immigration from “the west” it wouldn’t be quite the issue it is now. The cultural, economic, and other differences are too great.
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago (edited)
@jumble stiltskin wow wow wow. Now let’s stop with the use of the term “the west” ok. I don’t want Germans , Albanians or Austrians the same as I don’t want Middle Eastern or North Africans. I’d rather someone from Australia, Fiji , New Zealand or Hong Kong. These nation have a lot more in common with the uk then those on the continent and America… monarchy , former dominions and dependency’s , shared language, faith and inherited judicial and social values. These our what made and make the uk unique from mainland Europe and America.
“The west” is a ridiculous outdated term that means absolutely nothing anymore. Anglosphere and historical links that’s what matters most.
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Peter Allum
15 hours ago
What an excellent interview.Poppy has a gift for clarity in expression.
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Cotictimmy
1 day ago
Go Poppy!
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JangianTV
1 day ago
This young lady is wonderful!
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Barrie Peck
Barrie Peck
1 day ago
What a great talent Poppy is you are spot on you will go far

NOT A QUICHE LORRAINE
1 day ago
UK is weeping at this contrived destruction of our once great land
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Mike Niinemae
1 day ago
nice one poppy …give her the job at no. 10 you are spot on with all topics………….
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barrie watson
1 day ago
We can see this happen only what can we do about it , we are being lied to, cheated , and made fools of, how and who can change this.
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Ann Chadwick
1 day ago
You are the best Peter
You listen to your guests………..A rare gift…..
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Scott Peter
1 day ago
Peter, you’re brilliant – I relate to your approach, it reminds me of the more gentlemanly 1980’s
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Michael Holt
1 day ago
Glad me and my wife are retired,I’d hate to think about going to work all week to pay taxes to keep all these immigrants here.the government has no money .that’s why its imperative truss must stop this.shes right,465,000 immigrants came here using this ridiculous student nonsense this year.besides all other immigration.
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Simon Stones
1 day ago
Drives me mad my taxes are being wasted on these freeloaders!
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Ian Cognito
1 day ago
When I left school in 1975 I didn’t know anyone who went to university. In fact, it was about 82/83 before I even met anyone who had been to university. Now I know dozens of people who have been. At least half of them shouldn’t have come within 50 miles of one.
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Frances Brown
Frances Brown
1 day ago
One of my daughters didn’t want to go to college she wanted to get a job we had words over it she was right she did a degree in the workplace and the company paid for it no need for Universities .
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captain patriarchy
1 day ago
same. Some people are entering the workforce with university degrees and they are absolutely terrible at their job.
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Ivor Mectin
1 day ago
Many years ago I saw Ian Cognito at a live show, as you no doubt also did – very funny man but too close to the bone for the mainstream!

Jeremy Fielding
1 day ago
Perhaps people like living packed in like sardines. Every time I go back to the UK it’s even more crowded, even in rural areas.
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Mark Moran
Mark Moran
1 day ago
And yet there are about 1.4m job vacancies with staff shortages across most sectors….but I’m sure you think you understand

6chhelipilot
1 day ago (edited)
@Mark Moran
If you want a mainly £10 per hour job in the UK, then you can’t go wrong. We have created a low-wage economy, and even Macron has accused us of doing this. Macron! We have created an economy where the people delivering items to your door can’t afford any of them.
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Peter France
1 day ago (edited)
Apparently they love eating bugs too, or soon will.
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Loui J
1 day ago
We don’t like it. Remember, many of the policy makers are living in detached houses or in gated communities, living lives far removed from our own.
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Blue Sky
1 day ago
Thank-you Poppy!
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
I’m not an environmentalism I’m a conservationist. I don’t hate coal I hate deforestation. I don’t hate nuclear I hate paving over of woodland and grassland in the uk. British people have always had a soft spot for nature and the countryside. I don’t think most brits are happy living in city’s like some foreign people are.
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Karen Mancina
1 day ago
Great discussion
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Roger Alsop
1 day ago
Excellent New Culture Forum.
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Vinn Paraffin
1 day ago
Down to the ‘tens of thousands’, that’s what the Tories stated before the last four general elections (started by Camoron in 2010) CONS BY NAME, AND CONS BY NATURE!!
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thebiopguy
1 day ago
Love how your entire political outlook is based around being a contrarian to whatever social group you find yourself in at the time, and also making money of course.
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jazztheglass
1 day ago (edited)
The 3 main parties are wholly in favour of mass migration.
It’s cheap labour suppressing wages, more consumers buying products, higher vat revenue, propelling higher property prices and rents, the banks can increase fractal banking reserves
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Peter France
1 day ago
It’s also a policy that came out of an asylum.
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P.G. Reitsma
1 day ago
Never heard the term ‘fractal’ before. Is it relating to or used in place of ‘fractional’?
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jazztheglass
1 day ago
@P.G. Reitsma Fractional-reserve banking is a banking system in which banks hold a portion of customer deposits in reserves and use the rest in loans to other customers. This system uses money that would otherwise be idle in bank accounts for lending, allowing consumers to continue borrowing and spending, which helps the economy grow.
For example, suppose you keep $5,000 in your savings account. The bank has another customer request a $1,000 loan. It can use fractions of all its customer’s savings to fund that customer’s loan.
Banks can lend out on a ratio of 12 to 1
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P.G. Reitsma
1 day ago
@jazztheglass Yes, I’m aware of fractional reserve banking. I was wondering if your comment included a misspelled word.

Tom Brennan
1 day ago
Well said
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Moto Maggs
1 day ago
Youth and wisdom….. a rare combination.
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Brian Feltham-Daniels
1 day ago
This is a young lady with the right stuff! Let’s hope she can influence a good number of her peers to see sense!!
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stephen thwaite
1 day ago
The UK is financed and controlled by the WEF members so don’t expect immigration to be controlled any time soon as the WEF like immigration.
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mandy shanks
1 day ago
I saw an article equating British expats living abroad with migrants to Britain. It stated “expats” should be called “migrants” because “expat” is an elitist term for the same thing. Expats May find language difficult and not integrate well sometimes, but they don’t take from the host country. They have to take out private health insurance and-be self reliant, buying derelict houses and doing them up, paying to live in the country, often being required to set up companies, living off their own income and savings.
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Mike Skinner
Mike Skinner
22 hours ago
I asked the taxi driver if the Dominicans liken my wife and I to the massive numbers of Haitians moving into the area. He said that we were definitely not a ball and chain

cyclist68
13 hours ago
I can safely say they don’t gang grape their daughters on an industrial scale either

Richard Hill
1 day ago
It’s been “ignored” for decades.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
by british men,yes you are right.

Johnny 81
1 day ago (edited)
Don’t think it matters what Liz Truss thinks because I can’t see her lasting long. I’d be more afraid of what labour thinks
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DJ Low
1 day ago (edited)
Consider your own home. Would it be better if 4 like people or 150 strangers lived there. Which would be more functional?Never less, is it not too late, has the mass of strangers not already moved in?.
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micky williams
1 day ago
Some of us were saying the same thing regards immigration and the government for 10 years and more before this young slip of a lass was at Cambridge or employed by the Telegraph, but still at school! She’s good though and i’m pleased her voice is being heard.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
but did you march with the EDL when you had the chance?.
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Jack Anderson
1 day ago
Very smart, wise guest.
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Dawn Emile
1 day ago
A lot of people talk about the issues of immigration. For instance, Simon Webb on YouTube. The government just doesn’t listen.
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flemwad
1 day ago
Was truly a pleasure to listen to this lady. Great interview.

Anna
1 day ago (edited)
Poppy is so bloody refreshing! Although my own kids had their GCSEs disrupted, listening about the isolation poppy experienced at uni really got to me. Comparing it to the beautiful freedom my generation had at her age, it broke my heart listening to her experiences. I can personally relate to the apocalyptic thinking of some youngsters nowadays, though, as I was indoctrinated into a cult as a kid. So I understand the nihilism, which was exacerbated for me by the cold war & nuclear threats.
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Lars Fars
1 day ago
There are very few people like her around. She took a huge risk by going against her piers at uni . The definition of brave, So many takeaways from this interview. I guess i’ll have to watch it again!
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WhitePanties
23 hours ago
Good interview. Best of luck to Poppy Coburn in her career.

Sir Prancelot
1 day ago
Impressive. Thanks for the interview.
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Derrin Morton
1 day ago
£5.00
Good work as ever

Flick Meatwood
1 day ago (edited)
Cultural suicide. Decimation of morale. Severe pressure on public services. Increase in serious (and unsolved) crime. Suppression of wages. What’s not to like?..
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Sukerkin
13 hours ago
Glad to hear another person say out loud what I feel to be necessary – either we as a nation resume making our presence felt on the world stage … or we fade away.

des larcombe
3 hours ago
Spot on. I really do despair. What an amazing young woman! Clone her many many times.

F F
1 day ago
Poppy, you are correct
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Gail Platt
1 day ago
What an absolutely remarkable young lady.
A ray of hope for the country in a seemingly bleak era.

TGS
1 day ago
“Those whom the gods detest, they first make mad”

bendtrucker
1 day ago
I think the main problem is that the Tories making these decisions have never had to face the consequences of uncontrolled mass immigration up close and personal.
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Tim Whittome
16 hours ago
Wow, Poppy is great! She could be a lovely contributor to our Newspeak panel and alongside our Emma.
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I K
1 day ago
young women barely scratches the surface of the lies and corruption
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Stuart Hall
Stuart Hall
1 day ago
Yes, Poppy, there are a lot of us. Can we just about make it to the end of this “Conservative” government? For whom will we vote? I don’t know. We have NO party. (Did anyone see/manage to stay awake through Tice’s “Sunday Sermon” earlier?)
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Harold Hamilton
1 day ago
My wife worked here ìn Belfast and every non white student that walked though the doors the money that they were paying these young people were treated badly.and didn’t get the education that they were paying. For these kids.were.only seen as pound.sign and.this girl is spot on
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Peter Loxham
5 hours ago
Outstanding young lady who gives me hope for my grandchildren’s future!

yomarrobert
1 day ago
The snail that has come into my garden is a very unusual type of immigrant. He brought his own house.Still no sign of his own vet, translator,dentist ,car or space.Still,he has done wonders to my lettuce patch!
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Graham Bull
Graham Bull
1 day ago
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thomas robert
1 day ago
i always chuck them in the fish pond do you know that some of the little bar stewards manage to crawl out three times before kicking the under water bucket..

John Wade
1 day ago
Everyone knows this
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1 day ago
Fighting 8.5% inflation (more like 35%) with a 1% Fed funds interest rate is like stopping a forest fire with a bucket of water. Folks prepare accordingly. Make investment in other not to depend on the government for funds
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John coppinger
1 day ago
In the north east of England there are thousands of new houses being built to house the white flight from our post industrial towns which are being flooded with refugees because of the low rent costs . Everywhere you look there are new estates springing up .
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Max Smith
1 day ago
It’s terrible what people have done to the younger generations. I’m including myself in this as a millennial, but Gen Z have it even worse.
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Derek Bland
16 hours ago
Superb interview. There is hope but it starts with voting for something new

the1beard
1 day ago (edited)
and they wonder why house prices in London keep going up …
during a downturn people flock to London to find work…
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Ryan Hunter
Ryan Hunter
1 day ago
Crash incoming
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Kenneth Slade
23 hours ago
A very perceptive and intelligent young lady . I wish her well in a political future .
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K W
1 day ago
Why is no alternative news outlet of podcaster discussing the UN Migration Pact?
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Marie
1 day ago
Excellent discussion with reasoned argument from this young lady, mature beyond her years.
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Ray Mills
1 day ago (edited)
The tories certainly seem to be doing literally everything they possibly can to alienate all sections of potential tory voter.
I do think though, that this guest has missed something regarding the tories’ motivations for increasing immigration numbers, – I don’t believe that it is due to ‘humanitarianism’ (around 12 mins) – I think quite simply, mass immigration means a never ending pool of cheap labour (great for the bosses) and also, continual increases of consumers, who as a result of sheer numbers, will increase GDP (great for the politicians). None of which benefits us ordinary plebs.
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago (edited)
Tories have given 1 million visas to students and their dependents.
Let that sink in.
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Hairy Hillman
1 day ago
The problem we have is that the “Torries” currently arent conservative. They are trying to be new labour, the problem is Labour voters wont vote for them because, surprise surprise, they vote Labour, and conservatives are going to stop voting for them because the Torries are not conservative.
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Gary Marshall
1 day ago
When will the Darling of Culture Forum, Emma, be back on again ?
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Merlin3189
4 hours ago
As what sort of project did she describe journalism?
BTW this is great. On my second listen, which probably won’t be my last. So good to hear a young person with interesting thoughts.

Gail Jefferies
1 day ago
I don’t fully agree that we have no optimistic view of the future. The point is we have to pick it up and fight back to get the future we want for our grandchildren etc. Excellent interview, such an intelligent young woman. Thank you Peter for NCF

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Alister Edmond
1 day ago
A fantastic guest and a superb discussion.

Steven Homer
1 day ago
The starting point for any discussion on immigration is surely our & many other countries in the west problem of Demographics- we natives are in decline- it does not mean we flood the country with any one in a dinghy but it is an existential crisis that needs to be addressed & planned for even if it can be turned around over generations
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
I hope more young people start to realise that Labour and successive governments have sold them down the river.
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Scorpio Rob
1 day ago
What a brilliant young lady.
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Tangle
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devlinX
1 day ago
Both problems are connected, the economy and immigration.
The Neoliberal order decided that in order to maintain their quasi Socialist system (Healthcare, Pensions, Welfare, education) they to maintain constant and unending economic growth. They have no intention thinking about growing the economy via increased productivity or innovation but rely entirely on importing as many people as possible. This hasn’t produced the intended results, the nations debt is growing exponentially along with crime, corruption and a bottoming out of living standards.
I think the problem is that the politicians cannot now admit to the fact that this system is a lie because the backlash would be catastrophic.
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steve howell
steve howell
15 hours ago
Top girl!

TGS
1 day ago
This country needs a Patriotic Alternative!
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Roger Alsop
18 hours ago
Marvellous young woman.
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Joyce Mcleod
1 day ago
Well spoken young lady
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Bradfordian
1 day ago (edited)
The political class are concerned only for “economic wealth” whilst the general public are much more concerned about “social health” but we aren’t heard because the political class haven’t represented the general public for decades, they listen only to their paymasters.
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Liz Latteman
1 day ago
I would vote for you now

John coppinger
1 day ago
Poppy said “that’s not how politics works” but unfortunately that’s EXACTLY how politics works
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joyce cutner
21 hours ago
Poppy is a very intelligent young lady.
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Chris Millar
1 day ago (edited)
Join us as Poppy desperately tries to not mention the word capitalism and as she finds a scapegoat for why the tories want more migration
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barrie Williams
1 day ago
TAT. Tories are Toast! Vote Reform
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Eyes Only
1 day ago
Well done! I’m a new fan of this Lady
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Ben Jamin
1 day ago (edited)
It’s almost laughable that Anne Marie Waters and the For Britain party were making all these same arguments (and many more)… but the New Culture Forum was more than happy to ignore their existence, at a time when it could actually have made a difference!
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marie parker
1 day ago
Recent events in Leicester: this is an example of our having one law for one group of people and another law for another group of people. When is this going to end?
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mogznwaz
1 day ago
I’m not against all immigration or against immigrants as individuals but numbers and culture and loyalty matter. Not to mention congestion, housing, hospitals etc. I cannot fathom how we ended up with whole areas, whole schools, not speaking English or having any understanding or loyalty to our culture. It’s insanity.
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Martin Lucky Bramah
1 day ago
To think that we can control the weather, in anyway at all, is grand hubris!
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Mark Jones
Mark Jones
1 day ago
Ever heard of cloud seeding? Control maybe not but manipulation yes
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Richard Abbot
14 hours ago
All the issues that matter are pre-approved at an international level, behind closed doors.
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SteveO
1 day ago
Smart girl – but a thicko like me has been saying this for years. Why send 50% to Uni, when there are not enough graduate level jobs around? Why have the taxpayer funding thousands of Criminology degrees? Why be surprised when girls take on careers & student debt, instead of starting a family when they are at their most fertile? Why not just cancel the “dependant” student visa? The answers are all quite simple, turn half Unis back into Colleges running courses for the skills we DO need, for UK students, at prices they can afford.
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Tavuzzi Pust
1 day ago
No, Vera, there won’t always be an England, it’s being turned intoi Zanzibar.
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John coppinger
1 day ago
Spot on Poppy

Elk Paz
2 hours ago
Lots of us have made the journey from leftie environmentalist to ‘the right.’ It’s helpful to know the mindset.

Mark Cross
1 day ago
If the global economy continues to grow at about 3.0% per year, we will consume as much energy and materials in the next ∼30 years as we did cumulatively in the past 10,000. Is such a scenario inevitable? Is such a scenario possible? – Nate Hagens · 2020
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David Adiwego
1 day ago
If more women like you, love, did what young women were meant to do, and if we all got real about natural death, i.e if we excepted our 3 score and 10 years and did not expect the state to keep us ticking over for 20-30 years after our retirement, this country wouldn’t need to import large numbers of workers/consumers.

Dave Edmondson
1 day ago
Fascinating and interesting guest.
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Bad Gnasher
1 day ago
What a fantastic young women.
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Summertime Sue*
1 day ago
Can I ask a question?seeing we can’t do anything about the boat arrivals,and suella bravermen has been told to leave it alone,I started looking at EU policies regarding this issue,and saw that this is operating just like one of the four pillars…I don’t think we have left it,we wasn’t even in the schenghen zone while we were in so it makes me wonder.Who can I ask about this subject? I object to pay more taxes while 5 million a day is spent on these people,that is a slap in the face to pensioners who had their pensions taken,and their working age raised.
Sorry for going on,just frustrated with it all.
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cyclist68
13 hours ago
I’ve reached the conclusion now that it’s a grand plan that all parties of the establishment are in on. To consistently never reduce numbers point to it. The only hope is that labour get in and massively up the numbers and in the process shake normal voters out of their lethargy.

Glenn Wilson
1 day ago
I think things are gradually changing towards immigration with this new bread of young people coming through

Aquila2018
1 day ago
There is hope
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Jonathan Sidaway
1 day ago
She’s a good thing. Impressive journalism. The housing-immigration interface, in particular, however, might be more complicated than she sketches: see the Himbonomics substack. For other, cultural reasons I want an immigration moratorium.
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harvey young
1 day ago
Good morning everyone.
Immigration through the context of the mini budget:
The mini Budget was always going to be a challenge to interpret in time to make any sort of timely and effective comment. Added to this i have had my bad back demon revisit me, and now its all change and unpredictability again. Most of the Criticisms came from the direction of “bad market reaction”, a sense of disorder and unpredictability, and as if, the Response of the Bank of England in accordance with its antecedent duty to apply its policy, was not a priori but “unpredictable”?. So we got al the usual suspects criticising it from behind the accusative mask of “risk” and “instability”, but the policy was also criticised in the same way by the unusual suspects of traditional friends. That is, both Tory MPs and Labour MP’s attacked it on the basis of incompetence with respect tot he market: that they call a market realism. So many Tory MPs were able to say their constituents didn’t like it, so its was rejected by the parliamentary party, and Labour MPs didn’t like t because it displays a lack of competence and so loss of trust, for investors to take a risk. So tactically this allowed Labour to claim to be the party of economic competence a reverence for the markets and to claim the Tories as incompetent. And so following this two fronted political critique they can amass positive data on the pound, on costs of borrowing, on pensions etc. They all could claim to criticise the Tax cuts refereeing to the 45% to 40%, but few have stressed that the poor have had tax cuts and energy cost protections.
My question is, are the above politically hegemonic Critics’ really the problem they all have with the budget? I believe the real explanation for the attack by all sides is that all sides reflect more the interests of the middle classes they both represent and are a member of. these interests primarily lie in this context, in the massive mortgage debts of the middle class London and south. Debts that on composition will prove to be unserviceable given the inevitable fall in production and wages. they were always massively over leveraged, but now in the new climate they are on a precipice, that under normal circumstances would mean a fall in the house prices and so negative equity. But we are not living in normal times and so, we must ask why haven’t the house prices fallen in the economic decline since 2008, especially since there is a massive gap between supply and demand, why no new house building. Its a paradox! Well there must be some artificial or several feed back structures embedded in the system to protect themselves. They include immediately the openness of the London Housing market to the rest of the worlds rich as expanded top end consumer demand base, and the mass immigration also as expanding low end consumer demand. but also we can add planning regulation particularly on green filed sites prevent new house building. So to under stand immigration we might do better by seeing just in the context of maintenance of artificial high house prices though expanded demand base. Perhaps all the talk of necessary workers and diversity is really a mask the middle class use to keep their house prices high. they feel they can separate themselves form any negative double effects as well, and can be silent on it effect to erode natural communication due to language and cultural difference i.e. the break up of the glue of civil society that back in the day would have had the cultural linguistic shared back ground to critique this kind of thing.
So yes the Tory middle class and the Labour middle class share a common economic imperative to stop this sort of thing, they just have to do it using other metrics and terminologies. They don’t say of course “Stop the budget because my and my friends my network friends risk loosing our unearned nest eggs” they say anything except this an all are on the same page media, international organisations etc. The Mini Budget protected the most vulnerable in many complex ways, but for once the middleclass were gong to have to take a risk hit for the first time its not a win win situation and they don’t like it. we see these parties are controlled by the middle class who disguise their real interests for being “in the care of the minorities” or “being productive for employment.
i mean this already seems a stretch of context for immigration debate, but to go further, the middle class for the most part are shielded form war. they are represented very low in standard military populations. indeed the tradition of just war looks like a series of principles whereby the poor can legitimacy kill each other, but if the war reaches them “civilians” then it is classed as unjust? And why all the mass middle class movement against the atomic bomb. Because it would impact them. they banned the gas because they realised it could be used against them in cities.
To get really dark, maybe the European Immigration is not just because the source country has paid to educate and train them to adulthood , but also because they might be seen as the new fodder for new European Wars. Because the indigenous male population are beginning to see that its a ridged game by the middle classes. And perhaps they don’t think the New Rights turn to Stoicism and Heroism is going to work as 21st Century” white feather any more.
Thanks for reading . Looking Forward tot he discussion.
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
What do you mean by ‘middle class’? ?

harvey young
1 day ago
​ @Mr Ror ​ I have a long answer to your question here. the second half i accidentally deleted before saving and i have tried to rewrite it but i’m tiered now. I’m not happy with it but i will post what i have done cos if i don’t i probably will never finish it anyway. i will try and redo it if i can later.
Mr Ror i am trying to think about this “class” not in terms of a definition e.g. a set of necessary and sufficient properties, and/or a determinant that will include and exclude those in and those out (either/or, a disjunctive) or that is given by some substantial like wealth that would be vague and is really now dissolved into networks
Rather it is first a position of a “representor” that is also the middle terms in the old syllogistic term logic (Kant). Thus anyone is always both represented and representor. Rather it is belter tot think of it in terms of station responsibility and duty. this is what is really prior to any definition or extension. so it is not sociological in the first instance, as would be used in either pre compiling of metric data or of an radical empiricist type like Michel Seers on Algorithms,.
i want the notion of duty and responsibility (but not transcendent cost or debt free). Rather it is to be linked to their scope of collective action and power (the who they represent and how they act on). from there we enter the vocabulary of metaphysics of formal structures and action (adverbial the who and the how.) its is about who can do what. like the Ancient human Semi-Gods who action though institutions have like a God like power of scope and effect compared to an image of individual Aristotelian action. i raise my arm to answer a question in a military meeting, or to signal the army to move forward, or to get a bar tender my attention.
with this metaphysical view it brings in notions of force coercion though concepts in contracts as immediate.. here the notion of a voluntary and involuntary contact can come into view i a way it does so only medially though definitions and empirical extensions. i mean you have to add the idea of force surreptitiously to the wealth differences etc. lie a Deux Machina in a story. this makes the power and coercion look accidental. to talk of power here though is not Foucault because i want t retain the quasi logical epistemological image of a whole of the community which is not available for Foucault’s relations of micro power. the field of representation does not contain the dimension of force and power in itself. to retain something of the social contract tradition we must look at the metaphysical level of forces: freedom and determinism as the old division has i want to retain in a demythologised way beyond he Natural necessity verses Aristotelian sue generic acts.) To draw this out i have to recognise that in our ordinary lives we recognize a reflex with only habit and its space of movement not authorship is the issue. its space of movement is one dimension no freedom in the situation. on the other hand is the also abstract idea of a completely free costless debtless act that does not even have to care for itself. an extreme but illusory absolute freedom. as we move inwards then to be in a state of poverty has a metaphyseal and normative aspect not given in data of wealth or even differences in wealth. wealth and status (duty responsibility) give also only apparent complete freedom. Because they are bound to act though apparatus they are dependent on and must act on an object not a brute force but care (from working in a pottery factory production line with robots not too good at handling delicate un-fired Clay. thus the relations of middle to lower class is here not in the data which is a symptom of it from the positions of transcendental philosophy but of course the numbers and money do make a difference and a difference to the content but not before the metaphysics of force reciprocity agent patent . cause effect.
a Disenchanted world view in thinking only of epistemology takes the metaphysics of human nature and action as given by behavioural psychology. this science of man is the par dime of the modern world framing economic law and politics and is the substantial to their claims to have a perfect image of ourselves for us to live up to ie the poor are the “is” they are the “ought”. as in Hobbes the old virtue and vice possibilities of the one body are split along the syllogism into the poor as abstract vice and the middle class as abstracted virtue.(substitute rights claims here and as the modern world as made vice the human out of duty, ie self interest, and placed virtue as the human in duty as the management of the self interst level though law rights unity etc by causes.
here then we can see a point of intersection of the vocabularies of vice and virtue with there separated abstract versions in science as subjects and objects of self interest verses, you know, the scientists as and custodian of our “better natures” as they would have it. eg when a contract is made and we say necessarily, we mean they had virtually no degrees of freedom in the world, but this would manifest at he scientific level as the best example and the standard for a causal law of a action subject to causes not thought not thought cos no degree of freedom for thoughts action. so there in the real world a point here where it i close to the behavioural scientific image of man.
the middle class are then the managers and users relation where their action are though duties and so are a one many relation a nomological scope of the structure of action. which makes them the dolphin trainer not the dolphin.
my notion of the middle class then must incorporate immediately all these scientific metaphysical and law like aspects as well as the position on a virtue and vice separation. all pollical policy and action though institutions and so on take the behavioural sciences and the political model for granted they never question it. its hidden by the myth of data. the middle class use forms and contracts as if forcing objects akin to physics.
the distinction is one then of science metaphysics and access to it in its power duty and scope.
political policy must work on this level of metaphysics and science and the numbers and data will follow. We make the how and the who key. how they work at a distance and the who who is responsible, as the science is an excuse and exculpation for them at the moment. let alone the complexity of passing the buck, and anonymity of double effect , what they call unintended consequences that they ca even strategize in.
Representations and definition then hide mask the syllogistic form of the state and the metaphysical image of man that goes with it now.
the Term “middle class” then is thought of as a sociological term that requires a definition for such sociological analysis and conceptual clearness for data organisation. It would be a term in representation that misses that they are the representors and hold power cause and meaning though the above mythologies. In the real world it is intrinsic to duties and certain virtues, that would appear if at all in representation as just some contingent property by some other definition. Even our rights meant as a limit to the middle classes are held by the middle class and as positive rights can be used against us even,
I am after placing these terms out of there scientific use alone. that is to de formulise them. but neither does this mean to drop the image of the social contract. i mean the world is not made up of random disconnected parts organs and people just in buildings there is logical normative structure with metaphysical connections and determination here not just simple human relations like in a soap opera. Husserl talks of abandoning the natural attitude that would just describe people in buildings as empirical. neither is the world like things in a living room, but there is an aesthetic to the whole neither formal or natural excepts at its limits where humans are near absolute freedom :impossible, or absolute necessity impossible here the science representations meet at the real world of forced choice and complete causal power with immunity. the normative image of man as science law economic has it lives only in the extremes of the real world. but the supply demand curve necessities this as aggregated price means everybody is either in degrees of freedom or degrees of necessity. the science seems to demand we approach this closer and closer because of te need for causal stability and order and prediction. we will have to become the free and the necessity for the sake of sciences for sake of right and/or sake of utility. degrees of freedom in duty verses frames of necessity, power and scope of action verses being a subject of force. .
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Mr Ror
10 hours ago
@harvey young are you a postmodernist and a troll? A yes or no answer will suffice.

Thanos
1 day ago
It’s only a matter of time before a new party arises that truly tends to the needs and desires of the indigenous populations of the UK. We should follow in Italy’s footsteps.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Watch the EU establishment and markets destroy her.
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Dawn Emile
1 day ago
I think politicians look to cities like New York and believe that if they imitate their demographic, they will achieve similar cultural and economic success.

rocky76dude
1 day ago
A bettie and talks sense
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David David
1 day ago
It’s funny how this young women sounds like she’s only just realised all of this. Makes you wonder about the education system
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paul flanagan
paul flanagan
1 day ago
It does not matter what people think or say if they don’t have influence. So yes it’s good to hear this being acknowledged but what good will it do?

Peter France
1 day ago
Question: In the face of the evident betrayal and corruption in high places would you prefer living under a regime like that enjoyed in Russia? The earnest asking of this question speaks volumes in itself.

Vici Cooper
10 hours ago
I really don’t think the governments are letting people in due to their humanitarian impulses. Two reasons: our falling demographics and the need for cheap labour (note, the last because we have not invested in new technology).

D L Bowes
1 day ago
Poppy for pm
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Leah
1 day ago
Tories indifference to the problems of the avg UK citizen is deafening as well as odious. I shall not be voting for them at the next election, nor of the other political parties
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deb walls
1 day ago
Lovely young Lady, Thankyou for speaking sense about immigration. Its a disgrace.
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Archie McBerry
1 day ago
The Tory Party with all this flip-flopping needs to sell a Tory Flip-Flop Pancake Mix. “Mix it up and flip-flop a few times and a Tory Breakfast.”

Kevin Etheridge
1 day ago (edited)
People voted brexit to take back control of our borders, we assumed wrongly that would lead to less MUCH less immigration not more. I’m not surprised I did think that leavers would be just as upset as remainers in the end. The night after the vote Darren Hanan (I think that’s his name might be Darryl) was on newsnight saying leaving the eu might not mean less immigration (and he was a prominent leaver) I thought then hold on this isn’t what people voted brexit for.
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Business Pins
1 day ago
encouraging

Lewis Hamilton
1 day ago (edited)
As Poppy says here “it can be done” – which was one of Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery’s favorite lines. It can be done, it should be done, it must be done; and by god it will be done. A London-centric currency exchange market, and a culture and demography in freefall. Britain can do so much better than this.
Britain must radically change, it must reinvent itself culturally, and constitutionally; it must regain its sense of itself. I don’t know about a ‘superpower’, but there is no reason Britain cannot maintain and expand its position as a world power; it could be as big as Japan, if it wished to be. Those who who’ve cheered on Britain’s decline are yesterday’s men.
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Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
“…now it’s just decline …” as evidenced by the attack on the Truss/Kwarteng plan for growth.

Dominic H
6 hours ago
I have to say as a white working class Englishman living in London who has watched the working class community that I grew up become gentrified I watched this interview with great interest.
The real immigrants that I have an issue with are the middle class white people who emigrate to London. They keep to themselves, don’t wish to integrate and keep to themselves and certainly don’t wish to mix with the working classes. Something to be fair, they are entitled to do. A fair proportion have a massive sense of entitlement and due to working in the professions and/or having parental subsidies they push up rents and working people find themselves priced out of their communities.
Gentrification took place in London long before mass immigration and I would argue that it has been just as detrimental and devisive to communities if not more so than immigrants from other parts of the world.
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Billy Moffat
22 hours ago
Poppy whenever you want to take on these establishment puppets, give me a shout you will have my vote. GB a superpower again now that’s progress.

Fraxzor
1 day ago
We should be having numerous referendums on things like immigration and net zero (look how many Switzerland have had), but who knows when we will be allowed to have a say again. Before 2016 the elite ruling class were happy for us to vote for the status quo, but as soon as we vote for change they decide no we’re not allowed to have a say anymore. They also constantly undermine what we voted for in 2016, I honestly don’t think we live in a democracy. We are being made to fight each other in this left vs right war while our so-called leaders enrich themselves with power from outside the country that tell them what to do.
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Mark Johnson
1 day ago
Farmland is an amazing place for biodiversity. It is being appropriated for massive building projects. This is the destruction of our environment that is happening before our very eyes and no one says a damn about it.

BastardSprinkler3000
1 day ago
More Poppy pls

Peter Stephenson
1 day ago
Would any government escape being whipped to shreds by the media if it announced it was withdrawing the UK from the ECHR? Human rights sounds so desirable. Cancelling human rights sounds dastardly. The real explanation of why we should leave would be beyond too many people and the media fuss will spawn “social facts” in the liberal cafés, making it impossible to leave.
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Philippe De Fague
23 hours ago
They haven’t “betrayed” anyone. They have done exactly what they intended to do. The public have had multiple opportunities to vote in better parties and the “strategic voter” has sank the ship time after time after time. Even When BP won the Euro elections, indicating the greater popularity of alternative politics, people still voted in the people who were dedicated to destroying Brexit.

Zefangmeister Bob
2 hours ago
Foreign students move to uk – do cheap course – move to New Zealand – two years – move to Australia
Meanwhile here in Australia we also have at least 30 percent foreign students for the money instead of our own children
Then to many of the foreign students go home and we have too few doctors and dentists and white doctors are imported from uk
What a circle…..
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Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago (edited)
Children have no right to demand anything when they haven’t even bothered to understand the Science involved, and that requires conversations between all people of good will, not pushing the BBC agenda.
Environmental issues look complex if you are devoid of relevant Scientific knowledge.
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hib3032
16 hours ago
Nail on the head springs to mind

Keyboard Dancers
1 day ago
Britain needs more ultra low waged barbers, car wash attendants, nail bar assistants, vegetable pickers, care workers and fast food delivery drivers. The Conservatives know this deficit is being filled via irregular migration which is why they maintain the logisitical, financial and legal support mechanisms for people who arrive in the country in this manner. Mick Lynch of the RMT Union has voiced his concern very publically regarding the negative impact of cheap foreign labour on the British low wage employment market. Immigration is NOT a left vs right issue.
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WhitePanties
1 day ago
For some reason it became fashionable in some circles to be in favour of immigration, as a test of virtue.

Vaughan Ellis
1 day ago
Its also been noted that the majority of ‘Stop Oil protesters’ and not only over 60 but that they also MIDDLE CLASS.
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Brian Lopez
1 day ago
Someone should check out Roger Hallam’s solid stone Farmhouse in Carmarthenshire
with the recorded Energy Performance Certificate grade G – the worst lacking ANY insulation ?!
Roger how could you ? YOU should be setting a good example before you block the streets.

JR
1 day ago (edited)
Standards of living are decreasing because of immigration.
I’m an Civil Engineer by trade a specialist Sub contractor. My career has meant I’ve worked with every major house builder in Britain in most cities and towns. I’ve worked with all levels from the lowly ground labour man all the way up to the directors of these companies. I personally have designed at least 30 homes a week, over a year that’s over a thousand. Everyone in the industry says the housing growth has never been so good. Building in quantity and also profits. The housing companies cannot grow/expand fast enough to meet the demand! Most marketing execs and salesman often sell the home before its even built, they go like hot cakes. Reading the housing industry articles we build on average 200,000 a year. All different types and sizes. And that’s a lot. So the question has to be asked why is Demand so high? Where did I come from? And Why Now?
Demand because the population is growing. In 2011 the last census counted 63.26million
In 2022 it’s projected at 67.44million.
4.18 million difference. For scale That’s the size of four Birminghams in 10 years. Bloody hell!
So the next logical question is why is the population growing. Is it due more children being born or immigration? The clearest way to assess this is to look at birth rates.
For a constant/stable population without in or out migration requires 2.1 births per woman. This mean it takes two children to replace two parents in the statistics. 0.1, is a bit more because as it accounts for deaths in the long term. (Look up some videos on population demographics if need to know more).
The UK birth across those 10yrs has been less than 2.1, now it’s 1.64 children per woman.
In conclusion we can blame politicians, companies, house builders, councils etc. But the fundamental reason. Immigration is causing the housing problem and why your children can’t afford a home to start a family themselves.
And I’m not going to lie. Building stuff is what I do. General construction everywhere is growing not just housing. All because of the larger population. Roads, sewers, telecoms and everything we have it’s always more, more, more. We don’t know how live within our means.
I truly think governments have been using immigration to reduce wages (the immediate standards of living) with the hope that home Equity values will increase. Because we like our homes to go up in value & we release equity to compensate for our awful state pensions. However this is at the expense of the youth and young families.
All of our governments only do shortermism.
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michael stanwick
1 day ago
From her description, it seems as if successive governments have been intentionally saying one thing but in fact acting out another. Why this is so is perplexing, unless perhaps there is some hidden feature or policy of the EU, for example, that is still operating with the UK and that the UK is abiding by. and that is untouched by Brexit.
Would this explain why successive governments have talked the talk on immigration but not walked the walk?

Bob Bob
1 day ago
Yot Labour get a dinghy diver as a neighbour vote conservative get two dinghy divers vote lib get three. You pay they stay.
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Sebastian Kyte
Sebastian Kyte
1 day ago
Excellent interview.
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Alistair Newton
1 day ago
Nailed it Bob Bob, decided to sell my property & move into rented accommodation in a nice area, give the children some money, take as many holidays as possible, the political establishment are not remotely interested in what concerns the public.
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Peter Hurwood
18 hours ago
Great interview! An uncomfortable reminder of how UNCONSERVATIVE the Conservative Party are!
We don’t want a free fire all when it comes to immigration.
We don’t want large groups of immigrants imposing their cultured habits on British society.
We don’t want the hugely damaging economic effects of the unachievable quest for net zero emissions. As the interviewee correctly states, this is nothing more than managed economic decline.
Combine this with the mass importation of low skilled people, who are largely dependent on welfare and the road ahead looks bleak! A great burden on an already hard pressed younger generation! (4 out of every 5 Muslim migrants does not/cannot work).
And we don’t want the divisive left wing orthodoxy of political correctness and Wokeness. These are an affront to free speech and British cultural values. A largely racist attempt at manipulation of public attitudes!
The silent majority have really had enough of this. Desperate for a leader with vision and conviction, who won’t be bullied by globalist influences, such as the WEF or the UN! Who’ll treat the hysterical mainstream media with the contempt they deserve, that will have the courage to restore political neutrality to our institutions, who will put our security first. A leader that will advocate for personal freedoms and responsibility.
NO MORE FAKE TORIES PLEASE!!!
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AUSTIN BourkeAUSTIN Bourke
1 day ago
Truss is now showing cognitive decline if she thinks that

Will Fletch
1 day ago
Scrap the quangos and make their employees take up jobs that we reserve for immigrants. Abolish Local education authorities and apply a £8 minimum wage for 16 year old school leavers to encourage the never ending desire for university to be binned
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Steve T
Steve T
1 day ago (edited)
The problem nowadays is that nobody can have a reasoned arguement on anything without being shouted down as a fascist or something. Obviously most economies need some sort of legal immigration based on the needs of the economy, before we even look at cultural impacts. The problem is importing vast amounts of cheap labour based on real deep structural issues in the UK economy is maybe great for big companies but a crap deal for the state and actual people themselves. The state needs to provide infrastructure, housing, schooling etc.. which they aren’t doing or can’t. The simplistic arguement that it increases GDP is a fallacy. It deflates the already awful productivity we have in the UK. Have a look at our wages to GDP ratio, it’s awful for a developed economy. Companies need to innovate, people need to re-educate themselves post school, people who won’t work need to do some of these jobs, and the incentives need to be given to spread people and businesses around the country. Anyone illegally entering or misusing visas need to be instantly deported.
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Alan Hill
Alan Hill
1 day ago
I don’t suppose homeless count as in need of any social good?
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Colin Feltham
1 day ago
No point such intelligent speakers on NCF when we need them in influential political positions.

Mark Edwards
1 day ago
We are heading toward a third of the country being immigrants.
I can’t imagine where the housing crisis is coming from.
Not to mention basic education, healthcare, dentistry, transport infrastructure, food crisis, energy crisis, crime, drugs, etc etc

Bertrand Ruskin
1 day ago
Does anyone else feel it’s now brave to speak on any issue that the woke establishment has put its seal on?

rieslingplatz
1 day ago
Love that phrase. I want to see Britain a superpower again.
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Tony Ling
1 hour ago
Not too much AQI/HRT which I am grateful for

Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
Don’t think that the wipe out of the Tories is a done deal.
That said.
As someone who has only ever voted Tory, I won’t vote vote for them again after the events of last week.
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Dawn Emile
1 day ago
Older people still have a long time to live.

Barrie Jackson
1 day ago
Very grounded young woman – intelligent and articulate with a proper understanding of just how our political class have been saying one thing (like take back our borders) whilst lying to us all the time and doing exactly the opposite. She also appeared to understand that other countries, like Singapore, operate a much harder line with their work visas. She has a great political future if she can hold that line, alongside the likes of Kemi Badenoch. Ironic isn’t it that the only ones with any fight in them are young women!
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DoubleDowner
12 hours ago
I think I might hate Boris as much as I hate Blair.

Ian Paling
1 day ago
“Dishonest” euphemism of the century, they are outright LIARS in this game for purely selfish reasons ie self enrichment and self preservation.
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M. K.
1 day ago
These people were elected to control immigration and what have they done? supinely allowed it to get worse. I believe it was a major reason for the Tories red wall support and that is about to crumble quite apart from economics. The feeling is Labour will be as bad but might. as well have them and more attention to economics for the poorer sections of society.

J W
1 day ago
Immigration should be under 5,000 for the next 100 years.
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Andy Hope
1 day ago
Stop the tradition of reductionist thinking, and encourage our leaders, managers and farmers to train in holistic management and learn to manage our country and the businesses therein in a context of the whole and not concentrating on individual programs with no interest in the unplanned and unintended consequences of their actions, due to not having planned with the understanding the decision might be the wrong one, and needs constant re appraisal.

Ian Cognito
1 day ago
Our obsession with net zero : We won’t have our own energy industry but will get it from another country?
It’s like me saying I am a vegetarian but will have meat from the bloke next door.
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Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago
It’s OK, all the European countries are planning to do the same

Dissonantia Cognitiva
1 day ago (edited)
The funny bit is the pyramid scheme that government is:
– they measure wealth on GDP
– import migrants left right and center to increase GDP
– this increase in labour competition lowers wages
– also the migrants being imported consume more in benefits than they pay in taxes since they are mostly the concentrated at the lower end of the job market
– this makes the country poorer, but hey, GDP is increasing
– people getting poorer because of wage suppression with inflation?
– the housing market excluded from inflation indexes thus refering the inflation figures meaningless at best and an out right lie at worse
– the increase in migration also causes the property market to become unsustainable and it damages both the natives and the migrants, migrants are a cash cow for landlords
Overall these are all fake measures of economic strength:
– GDP? Why not NDP? A net figure is a real one
– CPI, RPI? None of these indexes now mean a thing and all it takes is taking things out to suppress the inflation figures
– governments need to be measured in net domestic product, purchasing parity power and real inflation indexes that include the most expensive thing spend money on: housing
And on climate, not it should not be left to government, that is asking for corruption and idiocy
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Conservatives: we increased GDP but lost European Civilisation
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Serevin Vukele
1 day ago (edited)
A lot of MPs simply don’t want women to have children because they think it harms their careers despite this being illegal. The way for women not to have children is import millions of working age people to do jobs then kids are not required. Unfortunately, we all get old and without kids, as we are seeing, the costs become astronomical and society suffers. The MPs therefore have set themselves against the public with some of them, Remainers like Truss and Hunt, take us back into freedom of movement within the EU but as Poppy says this has tragic consequences too. Might end up with civil war. Very bad times guys.
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Charlie Buttocks
1 day ago
Surely Blair didn’t get in till 1997 not 1992

Gary Padiham
1 day ago
Britain needs to aim to have a population of over 100 million up from the present 67 million. With a population of 100 million its GDP will be half as much again.

Lulabelle Gnostic
1 day ago
The indigenous people of this country have paid, through taxation, for thousands of years, for the infrastructure we have. Why should an immigrant walk into this country and enjoy all the benefits we have paid for for nothing? Anyone coming to the UK should be charged at least £100,000K as soon as they hit Heathrow. The rest of them, so called ‘ asylum seekers’ need to be put on the next flight back, and their country of origin billed for the whole process.
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marie parker
1 day ago
You CANNOT have unlimited immigration and a welfare State. You have to choose which one you are going to have. You cannot have both.
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TheKiddy3
1 day ago
What a lovely young woman, I wish she were a couple of years older so I could introduce her to my son!

S North
1 day ago
Unfortunately, It really is going to come down to the people to sort out the mess of third world immigration. Start to come to terms with what is required, and prepare accordingly.

John Leyden
1 day ago
These kind of discussions are all well and good ,but how about giving a voice to the working class who bear the brunt of mass immigration. I’m sure the lady is very concerned she’s very middle class

marie parker
1 day ago
I understand that the Social Democratic Party has an anti-immigration policy. It proposes a moratorium on immigration for a number of years.

orkney ancestor
1 day ago
To overtake on the home and job ladder, play the diversity and race cards.
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J
13 hours ago
I don’t think being anti-immigration and pro Jeremy Corbyn is as weird a juxtaposition as all that. Both positions are in opposition to the powers-that-be, particular money power.

pobinr
1 day ago
Immigration’s great if you like more greenbelt concreted over & more traffic jams plus loads of other problems
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Steven Farrall
1 day ago
Johnson is not a ‘libertarian’. Libertine, probably. Truss just seems economically clueless. Libertarians fundamentally believe in property rights. In fact it is the core of libertarianism. Un-checked immigration is exactly not libertarian because it does not in any way respect property rights.
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Radical Centrist God
1 day ago
One thing that keeps the conservatives from actually doing anything is the fact an industry has been built around immigration, we’d like to think our MPs are not corruptible but when you take a look at Ian Hislops hearing in parliament where he exposes the fact that companies are basically blackmailing MPs on a range of issues, the question then becomes where else is this happening and given how much funding Serco is given…you have to wonder if there is not some sort of similar occurrence regarding immigration. How many companies now have hired illegal immigrants for a lower wage without disclosing it? I think we’ll find quite a bit if any kind of investigation is done. Its the only way to explain how over a million people some how aren’t just roaming the street.
Its time the conservative MPs gained some discipline and flatly refuse these quiet urgings from companies and corporations. Its time to stamp out the corruption in parliament and if the Tories cannot do that, then they are done.
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jason kempson
1 day ago (edited)
House of cards propped up with mass immigration, the economy is the problem that makes it necessary to take in extra people.
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
if you talking immigration, you need to look at the UN document from circa 2000 which tackles PSR. They, the UN, suggested replacement migration as a solution to the impending PSR crisis… Poppy, you need to tackle PSR. You have made a great start but tackle the data, not just the talking points.
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
you mentioned that Blair had net migration of about 200,000 pa…. now look at that UN document and see what they predicted for the UK to maintain PSR of 3.0….about 250k net migrants per annum… bang on target.
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DanDob
1 day ago
What is PSR?
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golfbulldog
1 day ago (edited)
@DanDob wow, I did reply to you but it obviously triggered some censor…. it was harmless response… basically potential support ratio (PSR) is the ratio of tax payers (contributors) to dependents (tax spenders)…. the more elderly and young who require support, the more money you need to have paid in as tax….that usually means more people paying tax …hence migration to supposedly help pay that tax….it is, of course, not the only solution to this issue. Japan is trying technology…
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
@DanDob use Internet search for…

golfbulldog
1 day ago
UN PDF

golfbulldog
1 day ago
Replacement
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
Migration

DanDob
1 day ago
@golfbulldog thank you. Wouldn’t they be better incentivising people to have more kids and heaven forbid a parent stays at home and looks after them. I’m sure that’s what we used to do
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
@DanDob dead right, one option not discussed….look at the executive summary…table 1, lower section (annual numbers) for UK under scenario V….it suggests 273,000 annual migrants to stop PSR dropping below 3… obviously the less people contributing tax, the more taxbthey will pay… we can create more kids but they need education….we could use technology to make less people more productive…. but the UN looks at migration and THEY coin the term ” replacement migrxxtion”
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rastapingpong
1 day ago
It’s either evil, stupidity or both

bcfc18751
1 day ago
Who do we have in politics who is a patriot… Paul Golding…Britain First
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Jujutrini
1 day ago
How many council houses have been built in the last 12 years (or even since 1997!)?
How much do foreign/overseas students pay for student fees ie what is the percentage of their fees in comparison to the homegrown students?
Why do they give two year visas for masters degree students – is it so that post grad ( highly educated) workers can work in the country?
How much do they spend on people who work the borders ie the Immigration office? I suspect that they have not increased the spending when they say they are doing more to protect the borders – show us the figures!
Employers who employ illegal immigrants could be punished harshly if the authorities really cared. Don’t blame the immigrants blame the bosses.
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alan wren
14 hours ago

Tim Cowell
1 day ago
Proportional Representation is what we need, then maybe we won’t be stuck for choice between a left wing pro-EU party and a slightly less left wing pro-EU party. Brexit was supposed to bring about change and we are where we where 5 years ago.

Dead Calm
1 day ago
Can I use the intro instrumental?

David Adiwego
1 day ago
We get the political leaders we deserve.
They (e.g Johnson, Truss) don’t think it’s a social good…They’re not doing mass immigration for the sake of migrants. They don’t see ANY difference between British people and non-British people. The nation, as many people still perceive it to be, is a quaint notion in the minds of the likes of Johnson and Truss. Besides, 60 years of women’s socioeconomic liberation + contraception and liberalised abortion, combined with the increased lifespan of (often state dependant) elderly, has resulted in bellow-replacement birth rates and an aging population. So, it’s import fresh blood or resort to a radical ‘pro-life’, anti-women’s-lib approach, plus de-prioritize state healthcare for pensioners. Obviously, it’s a million times more politically expedient to import fresh blood, and just continuously BS the base and concerned citizens about anti-immigration policies
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Hereward the Outlaw
1 day ago
The framing of the immigration problem is wrong. We should not be talking about limiting and by how much, that just sounds negative. We should be talking about balanced immigration, that is net zero, as a target. Balance sounds better than limits.
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Charlie Buttocks
1 day ago
Come and spend a day in Boston lincs and you will get a clue to what’s going on in the country
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This Guy
9 hours ago
It would be nice if indigenous Brits had representation in government.

teknical100
1 day ago (edited)
She doesn’t she just does as she is told.

davout71
18 hours ago
Wow what a parallel with NZ. Under our supposedly conservative govt up until 2016 our housing became a commodity to wealthy immigrants and the prices went beyond your average Kiwi. Ownership is at an all time low. We now have a left govt but the “conservative” opposition is aching and pushing to open the flood gates in the name of growth. Where will all the people go? As in UK people only talk of supply as far as housing goes but supply never matches the demand. Also in our media and govt immigration is always an absolute good with no negatives.
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DN Stone
16 hours ago
Take care of your beautiful country, luckily you only have 5 million population, while the UK has 70 million, despite only being the same size as New Zealand.

jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
The sectarian violence in Leicester made me think back to the Northern Ireland troubles, which to my mind almost DEFINES the notion of sectarianism. Yet, despite that we did not see pitched battles on the mainland with Catholics and protestants fighting. On the other hand these kerfuffles with the Muslim lot and the Hindus breaks out quite regularly. Living near Birmingham also shows me this happening within the “ghettos” in lozells, handsworth etc.
So if in the case of the catholic/protestant troubles we didnt see it, why then does it bubble quickly with south asians?
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saптоsн ッ
saптоsн ッ
21 hours ago
Bring more pakistani and see why it happens . Its not just britain , its everywhere like sweden , france , nroway , Belgium, spain . Main culprit is islam

Horizon
1 day ago
The only solution is an IMMIGRATION REFERENDUM..
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Zoltan Rudolf
19 hours ago (edited)
Sorry my dear, but young people ARE NOT moving towards more radical ideologies but middle aged and old people definitely ARE! Both Labour and the Conservatives are both dangerously woke, while generations Y and Z are devoting themselves to patriotism, religion and tradition!

Strontium Dog
10 hours ago
Student visas have always been the back door to immigrants, particularly in healthcare

p pullman
1 day ago
Great sensible discussion, thank god we have a younger person who has her own mind and hasn’t been woke or looney left brainwashed. Keep it up New Culture Forum!

Steve Great
1 day ago
Poppy has brains and class.. They will tear her apart.
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Zara
1 day ago
If you have degree speak perfect English and can easily socialize with all jump on a plane then walk to USA

Steven Farrall
1 day ago
High Rents are not soley or even in a major way because immigration. It has most to do with other government failures like bad money, bad tax policy (taxing production / directly subsidising or simply under-taxing land), ZIRP, QE etc etc.

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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
You think population pressure doesn’t have a major effect on “affordable” housing supply? Ok.
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Rich Jones
1 day ago
Referendum on Immigration.
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Ian Faust
15 hours ago (edited)
Apart from a pretty face and her positive desire for the future of Britian there is nothing very intelligent or novel about her boilerplate nativism.
The facts are quite irrefutable globally that legal immigration is and has been a HUGE economic positive for the West. This is why Australia, Germany, Canada and the USA are all eager to have LEGAL immigration at all skill levels. This distinction between Legal and illegal is what makes all the difference in outcomes.
The whinning about rents in London has more to do with the anticompetitive Zoning and regulations in London that restrict building skyscrapers and denser housing. Also, compared to Europe, London is hardly more populous than metropolitan Paris.
The UK has more fundamental problems than immigration – its main problem is that apart from London , there has been no real attempt to reimagine and adapt Britain to the 21st century. Midlands cities are worse than many cities in the developing world and infrastructure is in shambles across much of the nation. The abdication of the State has been complete in many areas of governance making ghettos normalised.
Its fraudulent to blame the violence in Leicester on “lack of integration” – because there is no “Britain” in many parts of the country to integrate with! The State is absent, the police just specators and its but natural that communities take matters into their own hands!
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Mr Ror
11 hours ago
Reading your argumentation has given me the image of a dog chasing its own tail.

Ian Faust
10 hours ago (edited)
@Mr Ror Thats nice to know – Im sure that thought brought you some comfort from the devastation of learning the truth.

Mr Ror
10 hours ago
@Ian Faust the truth can be summed up to the image of a dog chasing its own tail. So, the truth you stated was never and never will be a viable solution.

Ian Faust
7 hours ago
@Mr Ror Its nice you love dogs so much, just dont go overboard.
Also – Facts dont care about your feelings.

Mr Ror
7 hours ago
@Ian Faust I don’t recall sharing any of my feelings in response to the facts you state as the truth. I’m just astounded at the logic of your argumentation. I’m curious to know what solutions you propose. Unless you think there are only accepted facts, and no solutions are worth considering as they might divulge how you feel about the way a society should organise.

Ian Faust
6 hours ago
@Mr Ror You seem to have shared plenty of disdain about my arguments yet with no counter arguments or meaningful critiques from your end.
If you have indeed read my comment it would be clear what solutions would look like be it in terms of how to handle immigration or how to handle the lack of affordable accomodation in London town.
The conceit of saying nothing while dismissing an argument out of hand has been yours alone.
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Mr Ror
5 hours ago
@Ian Faust I was pointing out the paradoxes in your argumentation. You can’t state that the UK and other Western countries have hugely benefited economically from mass legal migration and then point out issues relating to affordable housing and law & order. To me, this doesn’t add up. Your assertion about the huge economic benefits of legal migration is often disputed. Immigrants are not a monolith. Your point also disregards the cultural and educational baggage (or lack thereof) of the said immigrants – and their descendants. Now if you think economic benefit is limited to GDP growth, you might have a point. On housing, demand drives house prices up, so a fast expanding population resulting from continuing high levels of Immigration pushes up demand (concentrated in urban areas) resulting in pauperisation. Finally, pauperisation leads to the necessity for more public spending to support an ever growing number of “mouths to feed”. This in itself is a hellish spiral. And now the best bit, economic prosperity is only possible if there is trust between the members of a society, or if there is law & order. You don’t build a prosperous society by bringing in people with various different cultures who have little to no interest in integrating, this will ultimately create friction that can only damage an economy.
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Martyn Jones
10 hours ago
The painful truth for many with ingrained nationalism and bigotry is that immigration is vital for growth. The choice now is whether we rejoin the single market and allow immigration of our neighbours, or whether we ship-in boat loads of people from Africa and Asia. There is no other option, unless we are to descend to the status of second division economy.

Siobhan McGregor
20 hours ago
Enoch Powell had a few objections in 1968…

PGH Engineer
1 day ago
The working class people that voted for Brexit wanted all the Polski and Romanians sent home, not told they could live here forever, take all the jobs and all the low cost housing and then bring the rest of their family over too.
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Youtube Youtube
Youtube Youtube
1 day ago
Maybe but too many of the working class expect to be given stuff rather than work for it.

PGH Engineer
1 day ago
@Youtube Youtube They aren’t stupid. They know whatever benefits they get are taken by the one hand and given by the other, bribed by their own money, quality of life deteriorating every year.

captain of hope
1 day ago
It seems that the tories serve those who dont like or vote for them, rather than those who do.

Susanna Marker
1 day ago (edited)
Controlled immigration is a social good, not uncontrolled EU immigration and illegal migrants. The UK was forced into the EEC by the USA. That’s why we never got a referendum on joining it. We got a referendum on whether we should stay in 1975, but the leave campaign had no money, while the ‘stay in’ campaign received loads of cash from Brussels.

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Thomas Bootham
Thomas Bootham
1 day ago
Even Charles des Gaulle wanted the uk to stay out of it he said britains interests should stay with the commonwealth which would’ve been mutually beneficial for the both the uk and it’s allies

Mr Ror
1 day ago
Ok, so let me dispel the brexit myths. 1. The architects of brexit never wanted to curb immigration, they wanted to liberalise it. The little people fell for their plastic patriotism while Indians and Pakistanis voted brexit en masse knowing this would serve the interests of their communities. 2. The UK always had control of its borders as an EU member state but decided not to apply provisions to restrict immigration to workers from central and Eastern Europe. 1+2. Brexit means lose-lose for native Brits, not only the UK has now indiscriminately opened its borders to the whole wide world and native Brits have lost their freedom to move to other EU countries that value European civilisation and genuine patriotism. NOW stop thinking Brexit is a right-wing thing, it is not.
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Andy Hunter
Andy Hunter
2 hours ago
When talking of sustainability can we not also reflect on what is a realistically “sustainable population”

Sandie
1 day ago (edited)
Immigration is a good. Well educated or well motivated immigrants will make a nation. Immigrants don’t have to be white Anglo Saxon protestants to be considered worthy, despite what these two might think.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Culture is downstream from ethnicity. Remember this when we become a minority.
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Stu McCabe
1 day ago
Certain immigrant populations are so well established as separate from the native population that they are never going to integrate. Their culture and beliefs are not compatible with ours, and as their population increases and ours decreases, we will see more and more conflicts break out. This will likely lead to violence on a significant scale. So no, the mass immigration we have is a terrible.
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C C
1 day ago
Immigration can be a social good, but not as it’s been mismanaged for decades. The problem with using the Brexit vote as an example of anti-immigration sentiment is that nobody knows why people voted Leave or Remain. That’s why the result was such a shock. Nobody bothered to ask what people were voting for, so why pretend to know, now? We live in Wales, where the majority voted Leave but still vote Labour. I think we have a clearer sense of our own National Identity that the main political parties are unwilling to talk about coherently, because patriotism is supposed to be a bad thing if you happen to be English. The point is that neither the Left or Right of politics is willing to have an honest conversation about the perfectly normal human feeling of community with people who share your culture, and “belonging” in your own country. That’s not the same as being “anti-everybody-else”, and the bulk of arguments that label people as racist are really only window dressing for the idea that white working class people don’t have culture and shouldn’t feel entitled to anything.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
support outside your tribe and your tribe will put you outside.
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
I disagree.
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Grey Voice
1 day ago
Immigration has always been a huge problem. It drives low wages and infrastructure is not being put in place to accommodate immigration , let alone illegal immigration which should never have been allowed to exist in the first place… Everything seems to be about money and enabling certain people to make more money by ensuring minimal investment through low wage workers. In a modern Country you would expect to see more automation , especially in the farming sector negating the requirement for cheap labour which the MSM seems to find the farmer that wants these people as opposed to investing in machinery to harvest their crops… But the Government also seems hell bent on destroying or at the very least reducing National food production…
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Raymond Liderth
11 hours ago
Truss believes all that nonsense till a family of them moves in next door.
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John The Accountant
1 day ago
The younger generation might not accept that they will be poorer but they will be poorer in the west.

roger wood
6 hours ago
ps in leicester there are hardly any LOCAL people left

Rodney Cooper
1 day ago
Britain is now the daftest country in the world. Our politicians are encouraging immigrants who have never paid a cent into Britain and give them money, food and warm accommodation. People who were born here and are nationals who have contributed work and taxes all their lives either direct orVAT or fuel and will be going short of food this winter and most probably will be cold in their houses. The utter nonsense that they are required (for cheap labour) as we are short of labour is no answer. We have plenty of labour of our own but there are obstacles put in front of them such as poor transport or no child care.The politicians reasoning is wholly incorrect.
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imemine
1 day ago
.. and yet we keep voting them in

Profile Photography
1 day ago (edited)
it is not theoretically possible to have limitless economic growth on a finite planet

Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
Awake Not Woke

Hammersmith Bridge
1 day ago
Wish you would interevene – “Who told you the world was going to end? – Specifically who, give us a name or a book you red? – Why did you take that as gospel? Do you take everything everyone tells you as gospel and why this particuar prson?” – We need to know the source of the things these people come out with – I bet she will say “Cant remember it was just something I was hearing” – And this from someone who went o Cambrdge!! God Help us

croftyprojects
1 day ago
How tf do i meet girls like this
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Blue Sky
17 hours ago
“immigration done without public consent” NO it was and still ADAINST public consent.

Gary Marshall
1 day ago
Will you be able to speak with Suella, she is Genuine Conservative with our beliefs. She once said, only way is to exit ECHR, ,does she still believe this ? Is it true Liz wants higher low skilled immigration from India? How does she feel about this?

Nick
1 day ago
Hi
Question didn’t you ever think F you when they wanted you to pay your university fees. Sounds to me young people don’t need university anymore. It was proved during the lockdown when you had to do all your courses on line. To be honest I feel more sorry for the older people who only had a couple of years of reasonable health. Which was stolen by the lockdown’s. While the government were partying .
Cheers.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
the only thing british youth needs to learn is how to strip down and service a gun.
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Kevin Heath
1 day ago
Very difficult to halt immigration when indigenous population are not producing enough children to keep society going.

WarCommissar1
1 day ago
William Clousten isnt bad

Robert W
1 day ago
Basically we’re fucked.

Jackie Sargent
1 day ago
Liz truss beleive’s immigration is a social good when 70 percent of the population believes the opposite ,how is she good for the country and more to the point how can the government justify remaining in power .
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Gill PS
1 day ago (edited)
Poppy Coburn couldn’t be more correct on immigration. It is enraging beyond measure what has been taken away from our younger people and indeed from all of us, even the peace of mind that older people should be able to feel about the futures of their children and grandchildren in the country they have contributed to all their lives. The global picture can’t be ignored here though. The entire West is affected. Why is that? She mentions a ‘libertarian’ and ‘ideological’ agenda, for that is what is and it’s a global phenomenon. How do we counteract this ‘generosity on our dime?
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William Millard
1 day ago
…I mean…you know..

bendtrucker
1 day ago
The problem with the UK is the first past the post system, it is very different to Italy.

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Youtube Youtube
Youtube Youtube
1 day ago
Yes but not better

bendtrucker
1 day ago
@Youtube Youtube Yes, it is far harder for small parties to get started and build support in the UK.

Raymond Liderth
10 hours ago
I was with her all the way till she mentioned Corbyn.

이 이
1 day ago
Send them back
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Bingo Little
1 day ago
She hot and right wing great to see.
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Richard Hill
1 day ago
N̶o̶t̶ ̶R̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶

Akhil rocks Rocks
1 day ago
UK had 300,000 immigration this year, most of this are from ethnic minority race,Government need to lower immigration.give residents/citizenship those who invest in the country.
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J Johanesson
1 day ago
I’ll write what many think bit dare not say, we didn’t vote Brexit to end white European immigration to be replaced by non-white increased immigration from Africa and the subcontinent.
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R B
1 day ago
No one to vote for just more WEF placemen.. doomed…
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David Martin
1 day ago
Green Capitalism is possible. People are flexible, can embrace new training and opportunities but I think the Net Zero rubbish should be consigned to the bin.

Leonard Gibney
1 day ago
Until LIBLABCON are no more there will be no solution.

Peter Atkinson
1 day ago
What does Labour offer?

glyn stratford
1 day ago
Liz Truss us our country’s downfall she needs to go

Jason Cornell
1 day ago
The green movement is a watermelon

Chatham Dogend
1 day ago
Mass uncontrolled immigration is the biggest issue facing this overcrowded country, period.
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Sten Peter William Karlsson
1 day ago
[ CULTURAL WHITE ERASURE – Prime Minister Liz Truss Believes Immigration is a Great Socioeconomic Good for Britain, Not the Big Problem ]
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Robert Allen
1 day ago
no imigration no growth no growth no debt repaymant, no debt repaynant bancruptcy no pensions that simple

Steven Hodgson
1 day ago
Hey, you’re lucky, parts of the north and midlands have been part of Islam since the 80’s.

Azyrexos
1 day ago
Coalsburn
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MuseTheReaper
MuseTheReaper
1 day ago
Huh?

DN Stone
19 hours ago
Immigration is good for conservative wealth hierarchy.

sadako24
22 hours ago
Scumbag youtube censors have deleted my comment

Ned Simlish
1 day ago
Immigration can be good. The UK would have no-one to work in Hotels and the Building Trade would grind to a halt without it. It is uncontrolled and illegal immigration that is not only a problem, but if allowed to continue at the same rate for another 10 years will end UK society as we know it. The demographics will be unrecognizable, the number of people not working will go through the roof, english will become a second language, and organised crime will govern ever town and city.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Illegal migration is very small, in relation to legal immigration.
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Michael Seddon
1 day ago
Just don’t vote for lousy Labour if you want anything done to curb mass immigration.

Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
How to spread the misinformation.
Conservatives don’t want to stop ALL progress, just ensure change is necessary. Conservatism is a flywheel NOT a brake.
It is also worth pointing out that capitalists do not have a monopoly on greed. Greed is a function of humanity, not capitalism.
The most cut throat businessman I eve met called himself a Communist.
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D Bruce
1 day ago
How come you journos can’t tell us why they can’t/won’t reduce immigration?
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
Answer: UN human rights conventions.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
@Mr Ror that’s downstream from the intrests of International finance
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Heathcliff Flowen
1 day ago
Each economic migrant pays tens of thousands of pounds for visas to the government.

Legionsmiles
1 day ago
Get a bun in your oven
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Tom
1 day ago
Not sure why people are concerned about immigration. The Tories are already here. The damage they have done beggers description.
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burtlangoustine1
1 day ago
The Botox in the bottom lip tells me this: A wannabe future politician willing to live a lie to portray things as better than they really are?
Sorry, Britain needs genuine articles and LESS narcissism.
She has good passion and brilliant words. She might be good for British politics in 20-30 years, after she’s lived and experienced reality with any further competence.
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Ned Donkin
1 day ago
Talk more slowly, Poppy.
I lose some of what you are saying, because you seem to swallow your words.
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Timothy Martin
1 day ago
@ Ned Donkin
Ned if you go into the setting of the video ( : ) the 3 verticals dots in right corner ov the screen you can change the speed of the video playback.
PS I found Poppy very clear to understand.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
How many british migrants since brexit ? like africans, british r migrants too

Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
she is too young, a country without immigration does not exist, British migrats a lot too

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jazztheglass
1 day ago
Japan accepted less than 80 refugees last year, nearly all were from China, a very similar culture. Japan is bigger than the uk. Like Singapore it places restrictions on permanent migrants. Japan and Singapore are 2 of the most successful, safest, and stable societies in the world
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@jazztheglass 80 refugies declared u mean, most migrants r not declared in japan

jazztheglass
1 day ago (edited)
@Didier Lemoine they accepted less than 80. Other people are accepted as foreign workers or residents. They are not citizens, resident status can be withdrawn, frequently it is, depending on circumstances
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
Nobody here is arguing for 0 immigration.

John Butcher
1 day ago
but i’m sure if they were white from united states you would be perfectly okay
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Stu McCabe
1 day ago
Yes, of course. People from the US have a similar values, culture, religion, beliefs – in short, they’re more compatible with us and more likely to integrate successfully. Many/most from places like Pakistan will never integrate.
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Vinn Paraffin
1 day ago
@Stu McCabe ……..as can be seen by the fracas in Leicester!
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
I would sooner have people with have some cultural ties with than not.
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