Mark Collett: Good evening everybody and hello and welcome to tonight’s book club. And tonight we are here live on Odyssey, live on DLive, and live on Radio Albion.com. And we are reviewing The Camp of the Saints.

 

Now this is a very, very famous book. And it’s, it’s not just famous because of its content, but it’s famous because of the people who read it, the people who were influenced by it. One of whom was Trump’s original strategist in the 2016 campaign, Steve Bannon. It’s one of these books as many have helped inform his opinions.

 

Now, as I said, we are live on Odyssey, DLive and Radio Albion.com. And tonight’s going to be an interesting stream. Hopefully people will have read the book. And remember, if you haven’t read the book, you can get it for free. It’s very, very expensive if you’re looking for a physical copy in English.

 

But there is a PDF copy and a full audio book up on my Telegram channel so basically you can get them from there. I know not everyone likes reading a PDF off a screen, but certainly I can’t see any problem with anybody reading the listening to the audiobook.

 

So if you have enjoyed this book and if you want to contribute to the stream in some way, you can do. And you can contribute to the stream by sending donations or questions either through Entropy, through Odyssey. Well, there are the only two ways. Any paid donation is gratefully received and will read out the comments live on air.

 

And if you write non-paid questions through Entropy, we will also deal with those if we’ve got time. And as this is the book club, it’s one of our smallest streams, it’s not one of the biggest streams we do, there usually is time for some of those.

 

So please let me know your thoughts as well, and we’ll take your feedback.

 

Now, as I said, this book is one of those very famous books. It’s one of those books that liberals really, really hate. And I actually found this a particularly interesting book for several reasons.

 

And one of those was because I’m actually a big fan of sort of monster or horror films. And I actually found that this book was structured a little like a monster or horror film, because most of the book is about this impending doom! It’s about this flotilla or fleet of beat up old vessels bringing migrants to France. And it’s about the way the nation reacts to that impending horror, and about how a nation decides to either defend their borders or to let in a large group of people.

 

Now this book was written in 1973. So many people would think it was quite prophetic. And some of the things in the book are some of them might be a little off, however, and we’re going to discuss all of that tonight.

 

Sadly, the author of this book is not on the show because he’s actually passed away, so he couldn’t be here even if he wanted to. So if anyone’s wondering why we haven’t got the author, we usually have the author, but obviously that would not be possible in this case.

 

Now, I did say there isn’t an English translation readily available for purchase, but that is something that Claymore Books is working on.

 

So if you are a fan of this book, please, please do either wait for that or get the audio or PDF copies free from my Telegram.

 

Now, we’ll start by going around the group. And we will begin with Natty. Natty, how are you doing, my friend? Did you have a good Christmas? Obviously we didn’t do a book club last month. Did you enjoy this book? What were your thoughts about this book and did you enjoy it?

 

[03:58]

 

Natty: Hi, guys. Yes, thank you, Mark. I had a wonderful Christmas. Very nice, cozy, family orientated Christmas. I’ve also just got back from a week on holiday as well, which let me listen to this book.

 

Going back to what you said quickly, before I give my thoughts on the book, I did actually look for a hard copy and I thought I’d brought a hard copy for about £17 off Amazon. Little did I know when it turned up it was the French language copy, which is relatively cheap and easy to buy.

 

However, like you said, the English copy, if you want to buy it, the only copies I could find were somewhere between 160 and £240. So any of our publishers who are going to publish this book I think is going to be worthwhile.

 

However, the copy I listened to, and I think the one you posted, is one Alex Linder from Vanguard Audio and it’s very well read and he interjects with fairly decent notes. He’s one of our guys. He understands the politics, as I think most of us do.

 

However, I think is something Sally is going to allude to, he does get some of the French words butchered to pieces, I guess, because he’s an American. So it makes for an interesting listen. But it is very well read by him and he does put the correct emphasis where it should be. He talks about if he has to make notes about it, he will. So it’s a very good audio book. If anyone wants to read it, I’m sure I’ll post a link at the end or I’m sure you’re going to post it.

 

As to the substance of the book. There’s a lot to like, and I think there’s a few glaring omissions which I’m sure we’re going to cover. I actually read this book three or four years ago and it was part of my red-pill journey, if you like.

 

But reading it again, it’s quite interesting the way you say it kind of reads as like a monster movie. You’re right. Kind of like a Sci-Fi book from the time, like a Robert Heinlein almost with this fleet that Jean Raspail, he kind of takes away the humanity of the fleet, if that makes sense. And these 800,000 Indians just become this one amorphous like blob in the book, of this evil intent that’s coming to the West to destroy it.

 

So it’s quite interesting. And the reactions of the people who are supposed to be in charge, and and how prescient it was, considering it was written in the 70s. As I was reading it you have to keep reminding yourself that this isn’t a book that was written two or three years ago when the migrant boats were crossing not just the English Channel, but the Mediterranean as well. But actually way before any of that happened, before the fall of Libya, and the killing of Gaddafi, which spurred that on. Raspail apparently had a vision of this happening and put it into this book almost 40 years ago, 45 years ago now.

 

So it’s crazy. It’s crazy that this book predicted so much and gets so much right. But like I said, there is one especially glaring emission, but I’m sure we’ll get to that.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, you keep saying that you see, I thought the glaring error was that fundamentally it has the people coming from India. He foresees this giant mass of people moving from the Indian subcontinent.

 

Whereas I think anyone writing this book today would have basically said it was a mix of people probably from the Middle East and Africa, flowing through North Africa, and they would be coming over sort of on a flotilla of sort of endless stream of small boats. That was, to me, the only thing that he seemed to really miss the mark on. But obviously he was predicting this at a different time. Anyway, we’ll get into that later.

 

And I do want to structure this one a bit more because I want to analyze sort of him as a prophetic character. I want to analyze the book in terms of its sort of power and whether people enjoyed it, but also the fact that I do find it to be written in a very, … Usually books are written as there’s a giant happening taking place. And that might be a world-wide happening, a nationwide or sometimes even sort of a galaxy spanning happening. But the story seems to zero in on individuals that do great things and change the course of that sort of nation, world, or galaxy spanning event like Star Wars. It centres in on Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, princess Leia and it tells their story.

 

Whereas I felt this always felt quite backed away. It didn’t deal with these micro plots and human side of things. It dealt with major national changes from a distance, which I found a very, very interesting way to write a book. But we can discuss that later.

 

Anyway, let’s move on to Aunt Sally. How are you doing Aunt Sally? Did you have a good Christmas. And what were your initial impressions of the book? Did you like it?

 

[09:48]

 

Aunt Sally: Hi, Mark. Hi, everybody. Yes, I did have a good Christmas. As far as the book goes, no, I hate it! I brutally hated it! I thought I’d waste hours of my life listening to it. It’s the first audio book I’ve ever listened to. So that was very much a different thing for me because I’m used to reading things, and when I don’t understand, I can turn back a few pages and go back and recap on what I’ve just read and make sense of it.

 

But with the audio, if I press rewind, it took me back to the beginning. It just didn’t didn’t work for me. So I didn’t like the audio. I didn’t really like the book at all. Sorry. Horrible! I wasted my life. 10 hours or something. [Natty chuckling] I tell you how bad it was for me, but quite often I listen to it in the bath and where it’s been cold. I get in the bath for about an hour. It’s the warmest place in the house. And I fell asleep virtually every time I was listening to it. And then I had to listen to it again in case I missed anything.

 

And what you said you liked the way it was structured. I hated the way it was structured! It was all over the place! It starts at the end, really, and it jumps. What you said about a horror film, because to me, that’s what I’ve written in my notes. It’s almost like a storyboard, like he expected it to be made into a movie or something. Or maybe he hoped that, I don’t know. But no, it’s been torture! Hated it. Horrible book. Horrible! Maybe it’s because I’m a woman and I’m playing girl card. It’s horrible.

 

Mark Collett: Do you think it was a bit dystopian Sci-Fi for you, Sally?

 

Aunt Sally: I like sci-fi. All my favourite movies are Sci-Fi. So no, it’s just trying to work out where the story is. 1 minute it’s in a press office, and another minute it’s on the ship. Each little batch of chapters that I listened to, I’m trying to work out where they are. It just didn’t grab me at all!

 

Mark Collett: Natty, if it didn’t grab Sally, what made it grab you?

 

Natty: Well, even as I was reading it, I thought Sally was going to hate it, but for other reasons. Although, Sally, you did say in our private chat that it was kind of very blokey, very male orientated. And I do understand what you’re saying, but as Mark said, it takes this great big event, this world changing event, and it tries to, I don’t know, have this snapshot of the I don’t know. It happens over the course of about a month or two months, and then it especially Zooms in on the last two or three days where the fleet actually arrives was Off the coast of southern France.

 

The focusing, the chopping and changing and going between different characters. And I think probably there’s five or six areas or characters and geographical locations. There’s a couple in Paris who are also towards the end, there’s an Arabic kind of crime lord, or community leader.

 

There’s the press stuff, which is quite interesting because you’ve got this old dinosaur Right-wing press guy or Right-wing in quotation marks who has almost zero circulation, whereas the direction of travel for every other press and newspaper and radio personality is very liberal, very progressive, very anti-racist. And this guy is kind of struggling against the tide.

 

You’ve got the old man on the coast. So what’s this, three plot-lines so far? The old man on the coast, who has a house in Provence, who watches his fleet, arrives and knows that his house and his village is just going to get destroyed by these people.

 

And then towards the end, there’s also the colonel of the army and the glorious last stand, which definitely is very male orientated.

 

I think Jean Raspail in his notes said that he didn’t want to let the West win at the end. He wanted it to be the disaster that he wrote about and he wanted it to, I don’t know, as a kind of shock as to make us think this could happen, the way everything structured, the way our leaders are, the way the Churches, this could absolutely happen.

 

And he wanted to deny victory for the old kind of knightly or elite ways of the West, which would have saved us. So instead he gave these six or seven men a glorious last stand. And I think they end up getting bombed by French fighter jets at the end and dying. Which is, maybe that’s a male fantasy of these guys who cling cling fast to their ideals right to the end in the face of this new, diverse, anti-racist Europe which swallows up everything.

 

And it’s not just France, it’s the rest of the world too.

 

However, coming back, the reason I thought you’d hate it is because the way I read it, it seemed to be attacking the Church pretty heavily. And I know that’s one of the things that you’re not a fan of so I don’t know what Jean Raspail thought about that. But as I was reading it, this is something that’s Sally was really, really going to hate. Yeah, sorry, go on, go on, Sally.

 

[15:49]

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, as far as the Church goes, I would attack the Church as. Well, I mean, I’m no fan of the Church. Just because I’m a Christian doesn’t mean that I’m a fan of the Church. The church, all the Churches are apostate religions as far as I’m concerned. I’m a Christian, I’m a born again believer. So the Church is the last, … You wouldn’t get anyone further from I mean, I think what I was yeah, …

 

Natty: What I meant to say was it poured scorn on the Church and Christianity whilst ignoring [chuckling] another religion, which is why I thought maybe you wouldn’t like it. Or you would have seen through that and been pretty disappointed, or hated the book for that reason. Or hated the content of a book for that reason.

 

Aunt Sally: It’s funny because you’re right, he doesn’t mention the other religion. One presupposes reading it that the people, these Ganges, he calls them the Ganges refugees, that they’re all Hindu. I don’t know why I thought that, but that’s the only religion that I saw mentioned briefly. The other one wasn’t mentioned at all, was it?

 

Natty: No, not at all. I got that in my notes, but I’ll throw it back to Mark.

 

Mark Collett: He certainly didn’t mention a specific (((ethnic group))) that seems to be very intent on opening borders for others, whilst keeping their own borders closed, if that’s what you’re talking about. And I think that’s because of the very, very strict laws in France about mentioning those people in any respect.

 

So that might be where, …

 

Aunt Sally: We were talking about the religion of, sorry, Mark, we were talking about the “Religion of Peace” [Islam]. That one.

 

Natty: No, I wasn’t talking about who he was talking about.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, that’s the reason why France has a very, very strict code of conduct when it comes to that kind of thing, and Jean Le Penn found that out.

 

So the way I read this book, and I do think, as I said, there were characters in it, but I never felt any of them were really fleshed out. I never felt you went on sort of a hero’s journey, or a villain’s journey for that matter. I never felt there was a decisive clash.

 

And I find that very interesting because when you read books, as I said, there’s often something happening on a macro level, but the book then focuses in on the micro level and how decisions by a number of hero characters change the course of history.

 

And I didn’t really find any heroes in this. There were people who wanted to stop this, but none of them were successful. There was the usual politicians who, despite people’s fears, did nothing about it and constantly talked about how this was actually going to make France a better place. I also thought that was interesting. It was almost like this guy, as I said, he was very, very prophetic.

 

And that is something I want to talk about because he predicted vast numbers of people coming to Europe, and I’ll take this from the Wikipedia, because this is very, very interesting. The migrants land in southern France and make their way north, and this is sort of an excerpt from the Wikipedia. It says:

 

“The immigrants make their way north, having no desire to assimilate to French culture, but continuing to demand a first world standard of living even as they flout laws, do not produce and murder French citizens, such as factory bosses, and shopkeepers, as well as the ordinary people who do not welcome them.

They are also joined by immigrants who already reside in Europe, as well as various Left-wing and anarchist groups across the West. More and more migrants arrive and have children rapidly growing to outnumber Whites. In a matter of months the White west has been overrun and pro-immigrant governments have been established while White people are ordered to share their houses and flats with immigrants.”

 

I’ve got to say that, …

 

Natty: Considering that was written in the 70s!

 

Mark Collett: I think the only thing at that point that he gets wrong is this happens over the course of months. And that might just be because he has to write a book, not a 40 part series. And obviously what we’re seeing isn’t taking place over months, it’s taking place over years. But it is the same thing.

 

But when you read that, and that is just the Wikipedia plot summary, so I’m not saying that’s equivalent to reading the book. But what I am saying is that little snapshot there is so on the money! And when I was born, I worked this out, I was born in 1980. And in 1980, Britain was around 95% White or White British. It was basically what we would describe as an ethno-state.

 

And if people had said to the average White Britain in 1980. Look, this is going to be the fate that White people will face by the 2020s, I don’t think many people would believe them. And this book was written in 1973. So a good seven years before I was born. So you would definitely be talking most Western European countries being easily 90% to 95%, maybe more, White. So this guy would you describe him as a prophet?

 

[21:39]

 

Natty: Well, he said, I think again, in the pre-book notes, or in his pre-word, he said it was almost like a vision that came to him. And I think one of the things to remember is, for whatever reason, and I’m sure more intelligent people will be able to drill down into this and know more about it than me, France seemed to be further along and more anti-racist, more accepting of the blacks from their former colonies in Africa than Britain was for whatever reason. Maybe they were 20 years ahead, 30 years ahead, whatever it was.

 

I mean, it’s all much of a likeness now, or maybe not, but certain their attitude was further along than we were. And I think probably for someone like Jean Raspail, who travelled to South America when he was little and travelled around and saw lots of different things and probably saw Paris. And as a writer, as a cultural contributor to kind of French writing, he probably had quite a good grasp on exactly how things would go down, which is why this book hit so hard, even though it was written way before anyone else could have said this was going to happen.

 

And for me, that makes it all the more jarring that the small hat tribe doesn’t get mentioned. He never once mentions kind of the jewish hands on the levers of power on the institutions. And I understand the reason why he can’t talk about that. But for anyone on, not the dissident Right, whatever you call it today, anyone who understands anything about the way politics works, reading this today, that’s one of the key takeaways one of the big omissions, big black holes in the middle of this book that kind of screams out to be filled.

 

He talks a lot about anarchists, and women’s libs, and lefties, and this kind of stuff, but absolutely no mention of jewish, …

 

[23:54]

 

Mark Collett: Well, that was another thing that got me. I don’t want to cut across you, but I was out at the big protest in Leeds at the weekend. I was obviously the final speaker at that protest because Patriotic Alternative, we were the ones who helped get that up and running. Wasn’t all us, but we certainly helped. And we brought the stage and everything.

 

And one thing that amazed me is at one point during that protest, or the rally, on that piece of common land, we were stood there and a group of Antifa charged across the road to attack us. Now, they were repelled by a mixture of football lads and locals who had come out, who actually gave the Antifa a bit of a hiding.

 

But then the police actually arrested the Antifa, and I think it was four or five of them actually were arrested. And the police immediately raised a dispersal order for anybody who wasn’t a nationalist, which is very interesting, certainly went in our favour on the day.

 

But one thing I find really, really interesting about this novel is that he linked all of these things together. And I was there, obviously, on Saturday. Behind me was a hotel filled with migrants, and there on their side were these anarchists, these Leftists, these anti-fascists. And I was speaking to young girls, to men, to women, in the area who were telling me about how they knew people who had been accosted, menaced, basically threatened by the migrants.

 

And there it was, these lefties defending them, defending their rights to be here. And to sort of put all of this together in 1973, I just find it pretty incredible! The whole book had lots of little bits in it that made me think this guy almost had a time machine [chuckling]!

 

So sorry, carry on Natty. That I just wanted to raise that point because this book was literally a snapshot of what he was saying was taking place in Leeds at the weekend!

 

Natty: Yeah, I totally agree. It’s going to be one thing that keeps coming up over and over again during this discussion is that he totally nails the way it is. And it would have been true five years ago. And I know that this book came to prominence, like you said, because I think Steve Bannon quoted it, or said it was part of his inspiration, and a lot of people read it after that.

 

Mark Collett: It was a book that when I was in the BNP, it was a book that was sold then and recommended then as well. It was known in dissident Right circles, but Bannon really pushed it into the stratosphere.

 

Natty: Yeah, well, that totally makes sense. But you’re right. Just like you said, this is on the eve of less than one day ago, you’re protesting potentially criminal migrants being housed in your neighbourhoods, and on their side of these Lefty anarchists, Antifa, whoever they are. And yet Jean Raspail writes exactly this situation, however many years ago it was.

 

And one of the vignettes, the kind of character interactions that happens towards the end of the book is this Lefty anarchist kind of faces off against the military forces that are on the coast. And he’s got a whole band of anarchist brigands who are just there to have fun and welcome these migrants. On the other side is this general, this colonel in the army, this Dragaris, I think he’s called, but he’s got a dwindling supply of men because they keep deserting and running away. But he’s pretty staunch and he’s pretty steadfast.

 

Mark Collett: But yeah, I just want to bring this up as well while you’re talking about the defense of the beaches. One thing I found really interesting in this, a lot of people in France are scared that this is going to happen. And I found this a wonderful sort of twist in the book that the French President basically orders the troops to go to the beaches. And you’re thinking, are they going to make a brave last stand?

 

But then he says:

 

“I will leave it down to every man’s conscience what they do.”

 

And instead, with that last twist, the President basically causes this mass desertion. And most of the army just throw their weapons down and run, don’t they?

 

Natty: Yeah, I guess it’s the start of the third act, and it’s alluded to throughout the rest of the book, but the eve before the migrants land. They’ve already beached the boats, but they’re waiting to come ashore on, I think it’s Easter Sunday. And everyone in France and everyone in the rest of the world because this event has triggered this kind of diverse uprising throughout the rest of the Western world. I think there’s demonstrations in London and New York.

 

So everyone’s tuned in to the President’s final message he’s going to give the country, although you don’t know it’s final, because it could have been that they could have pulled back from the brink. They could have stood up and blown these people away and gone and waged war on them. But like you said, he almost does it.

 

But then at the last, during his speech, he has this kind of change of heart where he says:

 

“I’m not going to order you to shoot them, it’s up to you.”

 

And because of this and because of this psychological experiment they carry out with the Navy, a few chapters previous, they realize that they can’t do it, they can’t shoot these poor unarmed people and these women and children who are storming up the beaches.

 

So you’re right, this triggers this waves of desertion. But one of the recurring themes throughout the book that’s kind of going maybe off topic here that we can get into I’m not sure if you guys have got notes on it, is the way that the fleet this horde of Hindus on the fleet is actually really violent, and uncaring, and unfeeling, and murders quite a few people on the docks as they’re boarding in India, on the crossing itself as this kind of this western fleet of do good rock bands and pope and all these other people try and board and give them supplies. They actually throw corpses over the side and beat one of the guys to death and all the rest of it.

 

But this is all hidden by the media because they don’t want the French people or the European people to see that this supposed poor, we just need help, we’re so weak and feeble. They don’t want these people to see that these are really nasty people and they’re capable of some really nasty things if they reach our shores.

 

And it’s like again, we come back to it, it’s so on the nose! It’s right there! He was writing about things that are happening exactly the way they’re happening now.

 

[31:22]

 

Mark Collett: Sally, what’s your thoughts about this thing? Would you call Jean Raspail a prophet? Do you think he was ahead of his time? I know you didn’t enjoy the book, but did you take anything positive from the book in terms of his ability to predict this nightmare future?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I think definitely, I’ve written that. I’ve got notes all over the place. But I’ve written many times:

 

“How did he know? How did he know that?”

 

And especially when you think he wrote it I think it was 1972. I’ve written down but you said 1973. But he must have thought about it years before. So the idea of the book probably a few years, and how did he know? How how did he know? Even the liberal thing about the liberals and, you know, that the women that were standing up for the refugees. He knew I grew up in this time. He was actually my father’s age, but he couldn’t have seen that. I know he travelled a lot, but I don’t know what on earth he could have seen that made him write it.

 

The other thing no one’s mentioned is that the refugees were men, women and children. They wasn’t just hordes of fighting age men. That’s a difference. I mean, I’m not sure what the proportion of women and children were, but women and children are mentioned a lot.

 

There’s one scene in it that they’re all having sex. Why am I listening to this? It is just horrible. [chuckling] But, yeah, much of it. You know what which bit I’m talking about in our tips. What the hell’s this? Why would they be doing that?

 

Natty: It’s pretty disgusting the way it’s written as well. He talks about semen flowing over brown bodies, and children involved and everything else. It’s really horrible!

 

Aunt Sally: The other thing is, he’s got a clear hatred, I think, hatred of people from India, because there’s barely a nice word about them. It made me think something must have happened to him that made him write like that, because he doesn’t talk about other, he doesn’t really mention any other races. There’s no Africans in there, is there? It’s all from people from the Ganges, that’s what he’s calling them.

 

And it’s like, why would they come from the Ganges? That was my big thing. Why would they go to France? I think the reasons were covered in the early chapters, where it was because they want what they’re entitled to. They want a share of the West’s wealth because they deserve it and they’re entitled to it. And I’m thinking, well, the Indians, why would they blame France? Surely they would be coming to England? Why France? I never really understood that. I don’t know if you did, Natty, because that really didn’t make sense to me, that it was Indians and not another race.

 

[34:38]

 

Natty: I don’t know where I read this, but I think I read that Jean Raspail actually chose to make it Indians, because making it Africans or sub-Saharan Africans, or North Africans would have been too easy, I think. Or they’re too alien. I think that’s paraphrasing what he said about it.

 

But then, strangely enough, the way he dehumanizes the Indians, you’re absolutely right. He couldn’t have written about them in a worse way. I think they’re eating poo and cooking with poo, I think there’s cannibalism on the fleet as well. This is one of the other things, …

 

Mark Collett: It’s every horror imaginable, isn’t it? The way he talks about them is this sort of floating ramshackle. And I’ve got to say this, one thing that I really liked as well is that they’re only able to get to the West because the West once colonized their part of the world and left these rotting boats there.

 

So there are all these old ramshackle boats that were once used by Western explorers and shipping companies that have just been dumped there. And they board them almost like a fleet of these boats, and they’re all sort of decaying. And some of them are sort of like lashed together to make them slightly more seaworthy. And they just set off on this slow journey.

 

But I did like the fact that it was almost sort of like the things we left behind for them, they use against us. I thought that was another subtle part of it. Sorry, carry on.

 

Aunt Sally: Even then, they’ve seized these ships, these rust buckets, I think he calls them, somewhere. But the amount of food that they would have, an organization that they would have had to have to bring those ships as far as France, that is fantasy, isn’t it? It just wouldn’t have been possible if these people were that starving, that they’re leaving their homeland to go to France for what they think is their fair share of Western wealth.

 

How on earth, could they afford to fill that ship with the food that they would have needed to get it sailing. And the fuel and the food and everything else? They couldn’t have been as poor. They couldn’t be that poor, could they? That didn’t make sense. Things have to make sense and add up to me. And it just, …

 

Natty: Sure, I know exactly what you mean. I’ve got this written down, actually, in that, …

 

Aunt Sally: You could probably explain it better. Yeah.

 

Natty: He gives a Ganges fleet this kind of constant miracle. He grants them constant miracles in order to get them where they need to be.

 

So I think the initial incident is this thing that happens at the Belgium embassy, where they say:

 

“We’re not taking any more orphans from India back to Belgium.”

 

And this triggers a stampede. A shot is fired and Agent Provocateurs actually whip up the crowd. Don’t just whip up the crowd, they whip up the whole of Delhi or wherever it is on the Ganges. Maybe it’s not Delhi. Into storming the docks.

 

Now, the fleet, it says, I think the numbers are 800,000, spread over 100 boats of varying sizes. Most boats carrying more than 1000 people each, obviously. But the speed that it travels, he does allude to the fact that thousands die on the route and they’re just even used as fire-lighting material, or thrown over the edge or eaten in some cases. And the fact that there’s no weather that stops this fleet, there’s no storms, there’s no anything that impedes this fleet in the slightest, it just makes its way there. There’s no talk about fuel, there’s no talk about leadership, …

 

Mark Collett: I read this completely differently to you. Carry on, then I’m going to give a slightly different story.

 

Natty: So, in my opinion, I mean, Jean Raspail, and I had this kind of theory as I was reading it, that maybe his granting the fleet this kind of just mythical ability to travel was maybe a cover for the JQ, in that it would have been NGOs helping these people out and buying fuel for them and supplying with food.

 

But in the book, they just manage it. It happens for them. I’ll be interested to hear what you’ve got to say about it.

 

[39:34]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I didn’t see it as something as complex as that. And I said I saw this as a bit like a horror film. And I’ll talk about what I mean. Often, something like, say, Jaws. You know, this monster is out there, you know, it’s coming. And throughout the film, you don’t really see the monster head on and the sort of true level of carnage it can cause.

 

I’ll give you a good example of a film like that. The recent first in the new Godzilla films, you saw lots of things sort of like telling you that something bad was going to happen. But it wasn’t until the end when you saw the true carnage of Godzilla sort of crashing through an American city. And I kind of felt that this film was like that, in that you knew that this monstrous human tide was coming, but you only saw it sort of crash on the beaches and the chaos toward the end of the book.

 

And one thing about a monster film that can make you feel unsettled is when the beast is relentless and unstoppable. And no matter what happens or no matter what you think might throw it off, it just keeps advancing.

 

So in horror films, you kind of have characters like Michael Myers who doesn’t matter how or Jason Voyage doesn’t matter how many times they’re shot or who chops at them with an axe or who hits them with a bat. They just keep coming relentlessly.

 

And I felt that Raspail sort of ascribed, like you say, it’s almost a horrifying, mythical, supernatural power to this fleet. But I also felt he did something else. He made it feel, by the end of the book, as you realize it’s coming, it’s coming, it’s coming, and it’s building in your stomach that this monster from like a horror film is unstoppable and it’s coming and it’s relentless.

 

But also from our point of view, from a racial point of view, an ethnic point of view, he made this feel inevitable. He made it feel like whatever you do, there is no turning this back! There is no changing this. This is the fate of the West. The West is fated to die! The West is fated to be defeated, to be destroyed at the hands of mass immigration, fueled by traitorous politicians.

 

And although he makes it clear that really in their heart of hearts, whether they express it or not, the vast majority of the normal French people who weren’t part of the government or weren’t part of these anarchist or liberal groups, they didn’t want it. But they just didn’t feel as if they could do anything other than flee, which I took as sort of a signal of White flight. And the way they moved north through the country with the White French fleeing north, thinking they could escape this if they got far enough north.

 

Basically, that’s what happens in Britain, isn’t it? They turn upon our southern coast and as they move north, people flee north! If I get to Yorkshire, I’ll be fine. Well, if I get to the northeast, I’ll be fine. Well, if I get to Scotland, I’ll be fine. And eventually it’ll be well, if I get to the Outer Hebrides, they won’t follow us there! But they follow you everywhere.

 

And I kind of felt, … Maybe a better way to put it is like The Terminator from obviously The Terminator films, this unstoppable force. And it really did sort of hit me that Raspail was saying:

 

“By the time this is all happening, it will already be too late to stop it!”

 

And I kind of saw this as his way of saying that this is a grim inevitability for the West. It’s the monster that you won’t be able to stop. But ironically, he more or less alludes to the fact it was a monster created by the West out of our own altruism, out of our own colonization, out of our own liberalism.

 

That’s how I saw it. I didn’t think there was anything more complex, hidden. But I did think he made it very much. This ever advancing terror, unstoppable terror, that was our destiny. Our destiny was to be destroyed by a monster of her own making. Have I got that completely wrong? I’ll ask both of you that question.

 

[44:11]

 

Natty: Well, funnily enough, one of the things that does differentiate it from today, is how much power the media personalities have, right? So the newspaper men and the radio, the radio people and the occasional address by this ambassador from India, or the ambassador from Belgium, or some minister from France is able to sway public opinion in a way that we wouldn’t really understand now, given that we’ve all got phones and Internet and the dissemination of information and news sources wide reaching and wherever you can get your information from wherever.

 

But one of the things that does keep the French from complaining too loudly and sway’s opinion is these big personalities, whether they’re on the radio or whether they’re in the newspapers of the time. And again, this is written in the 70s, so it’s understandable that those channels of communication or mass media were controlled that way.

 

And it’s actually one of the I’ll make this topical about recent times. One of the things we’re kind of grappling with right now is that certain sources of information or cultural touchstones for us, like the Babylon Bee, like maybe Steven Crowder, some other people who you kind of assume are on the dissident Right, or your side are being exposed as just bad actors. They’re supposed thought leaders, but they’re not good for you and they’re leading you down the wrong path and trying to divert you, act as gatekeepers and all the rest of it.

 

And it’s something that we have, I think since 2015, 2016, have been grappling with this and slowly exposing people. It’s very rare that someone can come on the scene now or turn up with a Telegram channel or turn up in someone’s media project, and not have questions asked about who they are, where they’ve come from or who’s funding them or any of that stuff. So again, it’s one of the things in this book that doesn’t sit right with the way things are today.

 

But you’re right, the people there are totally betrayed and their opinions are swayed by these people who stop them resisting, which is really interesting. And it’s the same thing they would try and do now, and they still do try and do now by banning people off social media, restricting their access.

 

Mark Collett: But I was just going to cut in there, mate. I do think there are increasingly people who don’t listen, but you’ve got to remember, I mean, just look at Piers Morgan. I mean, people joke that he’s the Gammon Whisperer, that he’s the one that when the public are actually at that point of snapping over something, he does an interview and sort of calms it down, or:

 

“Well, they’re not all bad. And this one here that I’ve got on the show, he’s not like the other ones.”

 

And do you still think, though, that there are some celebrities like that? There are Morgans, there are the Peter Hitchens, there are these sort of centrist people who would calm others.

 

And I’ll give you an example. I was on Twitter just looking at the response to our protest in Leeds at the weekend, and there was I don’t know whether this person really is a woman or if it really is the person who the account claims to be. But they were saying:

 

“Oh, well, I am completely against these migrants, but the idea of protesting outside a migrant hotel is disgusting! It’s anti-British! You are meant to be standing for the British people, but what you’re doing is the most anti-British thing! That’s their home. No British man, no decent British man would go out there and actually protest outside somebody’s home, making them feel uncomfortable. This is the most wickedly, un-British thing ever! Hang your heads in shame!”

 

And I looked at that and thought:

 

“That’s a very carefully constructed argument.”

 

But that’s the kind of argument that is designed to calm people into completing inaction.

 

And although I think that maybe the media doesn’t have the power it used to, there are still media figureheads. And I do still think there are, you know, subversive agents out there spreading this nonsense. The kind of people that will say:

 

“Well, I walked into the Gulag with my head held high and a smile on my face, because at least they couldn’t call me racist!”

 

And you’re thinking:

 

“So you did nothing for the last, 20 years except for agreeing with the government. Then the last moment, you made some meek protests and let them cart you off to the Gulag.”

 

Well, if you’d be a little less bothered about being called a racist for the last, 20 years, we could have actually done something. And I do think there are other things that sort of have emerged as sort of mind control devices that would stop people taking action, even in a horrific case like this, where there is literally an invasion fleet on its way.

 

[49:19]

 

Aunt Sally: One of the things about the book that did strike me was the word “racism” and the fact that he wrote it when Enoch Powell made that famous speech, And I asked my mum, what’s “racism”, and she said:

 

“It’s people that don’t like black people.”

 

And I said:

 

“Does that mean your one?”

 

And she said:

 

“Yes!”

 

And I thought:

 

“Oh!”

 

And then there was this drive from the press that Enoch Powell’s a racist and this and that. And that’s when that word first became for me, was a thing like, you mustn’t be a racist, they’re the worst things ever.

 

But he knew, he must have known that that word was the tool that was going to lead to political correctness and excuses for not standing up for what’s right and wrong for your own race. He knew it. He knew a lot. It just makes me think what I’ll always wonder, where did he get his knowledge from? How? I mean he travelled? I wonder what he saw. He knew too much and I’d love to know how he knew it.

 

And it crossed my mind that maybe he got some of it from the Bible? Some of what’s happening from the Bible? From Revelations in particular. Yeah, there’s a bit in Revelations about nation on nation, nation on nation being race against race. That’s what it means. But, yeah, I do think he got it from there. I forgot what was going to say next. So carry on.

 

Natty: I think we were talking about the fact that the people in France were betrayed by the media and their politicians. And actually that is going to lead me on to say something else, or kind of change the direction of this thing.

 

Mark, you talk about the fact that the fleet is kind of this creeping horror that’s going to end up in France, I think I guess Raspail chose France because it was his country. He understood it. He understood how beautiful the southern coast was in Provence and this total juxtaposition of this fleet of tramp steamers filled with emaciated brown Indian people covered in semen and poop, [chuckling] wading ashore into Provence, into one of arguably the most beautiful coastal regions in the world, the most well maintained and the most gorgeous, the best climate in the world.

 

But as always, and this is a theme that’s true in any major shift in history, it’s not the outsider that does you in, in the end, it’s your own countrymen! It’s the traitors inside your country. It’s the media. There’s one odious character called Clement Dio who’s a kind of mixed race, wealthy newspaper guy, who’s constantly attacking nationalists or people with nationalist sentiments.

 

There’s an incident with Arabs in a swimming pool and he just ruthlessly goes after, using his newspaper, he goes after the town council for trying to ban these Arabs from the swimming pool because it’s spreading syphilis and their pestering girls and stuff. So there’s this horrible anti-White mixed race guy called Clement Dio who eventually gets his comeuppance. And that’s one of the good things about this book, is that a lot of the scumbags and people who screw France over and screw Europe over, end up getting killed and brutalized. And I think that was Jean Raspail’s way of having his own version of revenge on these people, even if the West did fall.

 

[53:31]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I thought that was very realistic! Because all the people you see this in the in the UK, when you see these sort of liberal White women go on these BLM marches and something horrific happens to them all. And these things do happen! And I thought again, I didn’t think it was his way of getting revenge. I just thought it was prophetic. I thought that eventually the liberals meeting their end at the policies they advocated for was absolutely true.

 

And you could take that and you see it’s when I read bits like that, I’m not sure whether he was prophetic or just very good at reading history, because obviously that brings you to sort of the Haitian Revolution, where during the Haitian Revolution, the blacks, the mixed race and White collaborators took power over Haiti.

 

But as soon as they had taken power, it wasn’t long before the blacks and the mixed race did away with the White collaborators. So even the Whites that helped them, they then did away with. And shortly afterwards, many of the mixed race were also killed because they formed a strata above the black Haitians.

 

And it is with an understanding of history that you do start to look at this and say, maybe he did base certain aspects, not say, the migrant flotilla or anything like that. I mean, that would be unprecedented in his time. But there were certain historical aspects to the book, like the Haitian revolution, which I think he would have had a very strong knowledge of.

 

Natty: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And you kind of think about the people in this country. Now you extrapolate, we think, well, maybe not this country, but someone like Sean King or, …

 

Mark Collett: Sorry to butt in mate, sorry, sorry to butt in, but I just wanted to point out as well the reason he would have had such a great knowledge of the Haitian revolution, because obviously that was an insurrection against French colonial rule. So that may well have been something that as a Frenchman of that era, he was very well read on, because Haiti was originally a French colony. And the French there that did side with the revolutionaries were killed shortly afterwards.

 

Natty: Yeah, absolutely.

 

Aunt Sally: That makes sense. That answers my question, because it’s one of the things I was wondering, where did he get all this from? What made him write this book? Where did the ideas come from? It must have come from that, and he might have known people.

 

Natty: Well, if you think about what would happen to someone like Akala, or Alfa Hirsch, or Ash Sarkar, for instance. If this was to happen in the same way as the book, and even in different ways, these people wouldn’t be needed. They’ve been stabbing and jabbing at the stumbling, the shuffling kind of walking catastrophe that is the UK. And these guys have been jabbing their knives in and trying to draw blood.

 

But come any sort of revolution that these people would cheer on, they’d be the first to go. They wouldn’t have any place. And I think Jean Raspail understood that, especially in what happens to Clement Dio, which is his kind of personification of all of these people. Like you say, the White collaborator.

 

In Clementio’s case, he’s a mixed race, but he runs into a gang of escaped criminals, many of them black or Africans, who have been let out of his prison. And at first he’s kind of jokey and matey with him. And I think he’s got a Chinese wife with him who’s very attractive, and they start drinking together. And by the end of it, he’s beaten up and locked in an upstairs room and they’re downstairs in the bar raping his wife for three days. I can’t remember if he dies afterwards or whether they kill him or what happens.

 

But again, this is before the fleet even lands. So the army has its teeth taken away by the President, by the media, by the people of Provence running away, because they don’t have the have the stomach, or the heart, or the institutions behind them to stand up for themselves and defend their own patch of land.

 

So the French army has the artillery, has the navy, it has all these prestigious regiments who have travelled around the world and conquered and gone to war, but it’s not the problem that they’ve got of that. And they’re facing this fleet. Everything behind them has collapsed and the people inside the country have turned against them, essentially, and they can’t defend their land anymore. They don’t have the moral fortitude, they don’t have the institutions on their side. They don’t have the backing of anyone.

 

And in that case, if the enemy at your front is easy to see, but the enemy at your back is one that’s just constantly stabbing you and taking away your troops and trying to cause desertions and all the rest of it and sabotaging your supply lines. You can see why everything just fell apart at the end of a book and happened the way it did.

 

Mark Collett: Do you have anything to add on that one, Aunt Sally?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah. No, I think most of the book seems to centre around the actual journey, the journey and what’s happening in press offices and governments. That’s all politics. And I hate politics! I really do. But it was all about this impending doom.

 

And if it did remind me of any horror movie, it was Walking Dead. It’s just like they keep coming, they keep coming. And then when they think they’ve got rid of all the hordes of zombies. There’s more coming. There’s more coming. It was all this impending doom and gloom that’s coming and then accepting their fate, they’re not going to make a stand. They’re not going to fight. They’re not going to fight for it. I’d understand that if it was men, women and children, which it was, I’d get it.

 

What would happen if that was the case? If this flotilla of people, real, genuine refugees, were coming from the Ganges and they were men, women and children, then different governments would plan where they’re going to go and make the rest of Europe take some of them, not just allow them all to land in France. So, again, when things don’t make sense to me, I can’t really take it seriously. It’s like this whole flotilla is going to France. Why?

 

[1:01:02]

 

Natty: I think that was one of the reasons why Raspail wrote it Sal. The way he did so was he deliberately took those decisions away from the governments of the West. Every interaction they try and have with the fleet is ignored. They don’t want anything to do with help, or aid, or anything else. There’s no radios on board the fleet. They’re just going where they go.

 

And interestingly, an incident where it looks like they might be heading for the Suez Canal. I don’t know if you guys remember this part of the book. But the Egyptian government only has one navy boat. So it’s got this old Second World War destroyer that’s kind of on its last legs. It’s been afloat for the last 40, or 50 years. It’s barely held together. And it’s the one navy boat that Egypt possesses.

 

But the Egyptian government, which still has some balls and does not want these people in their country and is still led by people who are willing to say as much, doesn’t want this fleet coming through the Suez Canal and ending up grounding. And then they’ll have to deal with it.

 

So the Egyptian government sends out this single navy boat and tells the captain:

 

“You stop that fleet and you turn it around by any means necessary!”

 

And the guy pulls up alongside. Again, there’s no radios. So he just shouts over the loud hailer and fires like a stream of antiaircraft, like cannon fire over the bridge. And the kind of crippled quadriplegic who’s in charge [chuckling] of this fleet is shocked into turning it around.

 

So this show of force by this crappy beat up old navy boat. But because the person who’s in charge of that boat and the person who’s giving him his orders is prepared to do what’s necessary. They managed to turn this fleet around and avert disaster for Egypt.

 

And there’s absolutely none of that will, or backbone in the West anywhere to make that kind of decision! France ends up getting the refugees. So it’s this interesting juxtaposition between the Egyptian navy, which achieves it’s aim with one rusty old tub with like an antiaircraft gun on it, versus the entire fleets of Western Europe who are utterly toothless and can’t do a single thing about it.

 

Mark Collett: I thought that was interesting as well. And something else I liked about the book. And I’ve talked about this many times before on streams. And when I’ve appeared on other people’s, shows. That this book, although it does take place primarily in France, by the end of the book, he’s made it clear that virtually every Western nation has been consumed by this. This sort of flotilla leads to sort of a knock on effect which basically destroys everything. And the last holdout is Switzerland.

 

But eventually, because every other country is now completely overrun with migrants and liberals and has succumbed to this nightmare, Switzerland is seen as this rogue state and basically that is forced to capitulate as well. And eventually everywhere succumbs to this nightmare.

 

And I thought that was really important too, and I speak about this quite a lot, as I said, on other streams and shows that this is a White issue. And a lot of people say:

 

“Oh, Mark, you shouldn’t talk with all these Americans and people from overseas, you should stick to just what’s going on in Britain!”

 

But this isn’t a British problem. And I thought Jean Raspail made it very clear that this wasn’t just a French problem in the book. That this led to absolute world-wide changes! Every Western nation ends up succumbing to this madness! Every Western nation ends up being crushed under this tidal wave of migrants! And really what could be described as anti-White policy.

 

[1:05:20]

 

And I thought that was very interesting too, because he realized in 1973 that despite what he felt was coming to France, that everywhere would go along with this, that you wouldn’t have Britain as an outlier, you wouldn’t have a resurgence of militant nationalism in Germany that would save Germany. America wouldn’t stand alone as the last bastion of the White nuclear family in their quaint houses with white picket fences. He knew this was going to be something that would essentially affect what would be described as the whole Western world.

 

And I do think that’s a very, very important point. And it’s also very indicative of his level of understanding of this problem, that it isn’t a madness that just affects a country, it’s a madness that infects, or an ethnicity for that matter. It doesn’t just affect the English. But it’s passed over the Scottish. This is a madness that infects our entire race!

 

And at the end of the book, essentially the whole West has sunk. He more, or less, says that. But you would think there be some small communities in parts of America, that would stand strong against it and remain there during the collapse of civilization. But obviously we’ll never know. I don’t believe unless he tells me otherwise, that. He did a follow up about any resistance. I think he left it at the end with complete destruction. In very many ways, as Natty said, probably to shock people and to make people think, look, you need to do something now before it’s too late.

 

But, yeah, to see this as not just a French thing, but as a White thing, I thought that was very important as well, because there’s still people out there who don’t understand that this is an anti-White thing, that this isn’t about being British, or French, or German, it’s about being White.

 

Natty: Yeah. And throughout the book there’s a couple of scenes where there’s a few Summits between the European nations. And it’s quite clear that I think Italy says:

 

“Oh, no, we can’t take them because we’ve got to think of the Catholic Church! And the fact that the Pope is here!”

 

And Britain says:

 

“Oh, well, we can’t take them, because we’ve got colonial ties with India. And all the rest of it.”

 

And they’re so happy when they don’t have to deal with this fleet. They’re totally, like, inward looking. If they can just have a few more months, or a few more years where they don’t have to deal with this.

 

And it’s exactly the same situation in the West. I mean, anyone with even half a brain cell can see where the current system of governance and culture is leading, and it’s nowhere good. I mean, it’s leading to what this book prophesies, basically.

 

We all understand this, and I’m pretty sure everyone listening understands this as well. Even if there’s people listening to this who hate us, or are working for the state, they know what’s coming. They know, whether it’s in 20 years, whether it’s in 50 years, if things carry on the way they are, it’s going to be bad for everyone. Not just not just us, because we’re raising our voices against it, but for you too, there’s going to be no progress, no improvement of the people you call your family and your ancestors. And all the rest of it.

 

The other interesting thing I found was, obviously France has a colonial past, and so does the UK. But this idea that this fleet is kind of retribution for the West completely ignores the fact that the same thing is happening in, like, Sweden and Denmark, which never expanded into Africa, or the Middle East, or anything like that.

 

Australia, or like you said, Mark, in the book, Jean Raspail, has this happening everywhere where there’s White people, right? So Australia, South Africa. And this book was written before apartheid ended. So while the Whites were still in charge in South Africa. And there’s quite an interesting part of the book which we haven’t touched on yet, that happens with South Africa.

 

But this happens everywhere and it has no bearing, and no worries about who did what in the past. It’s coming for all of you. I think you’ve kind of alluded to that with the idea of this being like a horror, a horror book, as well. TRS some horror aspects to this fleet and what it brings with it.

 

[1:10:01]

 

Aunt Sally: Yes, I’ve got notes on the bit about South Africa. And the fact that, well, he knew all this. He knew all this to write the book. But he didn’t know about South Africa. He didn’t see that coming, did he? It seemed out of place, the South Africa, but knowing what we know now, and now knowing what’s happened in South Africa, that he wrote this book, the one place that succumbed big time. In fact, they went first, didn’t they? That he didn’t foresee that it’s a strong White nation in the book still. And it turns them away as well.

 

I’m sorry. I’m not saying, … I just hated the book! [chuckling] I can’t say anything good about it! All I can think is, like, the audio of his voice, Alex Linder’s voice. Just these:

 

“Brown, putrid bodies!”

 

That’s all it’s saying. It’s horrible! Just words that he’s describing people, non-stop, being just filth! It’s affected me. It’s a horrible book! Sorry, you both liked it. I’m struggling to talk about it, because I’m almost traumatized by reading it. It’s awful. Yeah. Who suggested it? Was it you? Was it you Natty? I know.

 

Natty: Yeah.

 

Aunt Sally: Please.

 

Natty: I wasn’t sure where else I could find it as an audio book. I only knew about the Alex Linder reading of it. I found that Alex Linder emphasizing the kind of horror, the kind of body horror of the Indian fleet added to the book. Maybe it’s a male thing, I’m not sure, [chuckling] but it made it all the more pressing. What’s happening in the book.

 

As to South Africa, it is interesting, because South Africa does the same thing as Egypt. Because obviously the fleet leaves India, and initially it looks like it’s head for the Suez Canal, but it turns south, because of this one action by the Egyptian government with their rusty old torpedo boat, rusty old destroyer. So it turns south and has the head around the Cape of Africa. So around South Africa. If you can imagine it on the map. And initially, because South Africa is a White country. And it’s still in the hands of the White South Africans there, they think, well, maybe the fleet is going to stop there. Because it’s a prosperous country, they could get welfare. And all the rest of it.

 

But the South African government does the same thing as the Egyptian government and makes it clear in no uncertain terms, they are going to open fire on this fleet if they try and land in South Africa. They’re completely uncaring. They’re totally used to dealing with a majority population. In the case of South Africa, of these blacks that they’re in charge of, they know exactly how to deal with them. They know that you threaten and then you use violence. And that’s how you get the job done. And that’s how they treat the fleet. And it works. The fleet just sails past.

 

As a result, there’s this howling and screeching from the media, in this case, the French media. Because that’s who it’s focused on. And the ambassador is shunned and all this other stuff, and South Africa is racist and all this, and all that. And they go on and on. But at the end of the day, they achieve their aims. And the fleet sail was passed, even going so far as to throw off the aid that the South Africans try and give them, to help them keep moving.

 

So, yeah, it’s interesting that South Africa had the military might and the will to do that, but then, like you said, a few years later, it falls and is now where it is, which is not a good place. He didn’t foresee that, I’ll give you that Sal!

 

Mark Collett: Just one other thing as well, about the Egyptian Navy obviously being able to turn back the whole flotilla just with one boat. Do you think it was his way of saying, and this could all be ended so easily and the West will just do nothing to end it? Because obviously the Egyptians did very easily manage to avert the crisis landing on their shores. And that is very true, isn’t it?

 

So you could even draw an analogy between that and what happened during Covid. So during Covid the Royal Navy managed to have boats constantly patrolling the English Channel with the intention of arresting sun bathers, or swimmers, or anybody going out and enjoying the summer during the 2020 Covid. But the same navy that can patrol every inch of those beaches to ensure that there’s no sunbathers there, now can’t do a single thing to stop migrants landing on those beaches in their hundreds, or thousands every day.

 

And I do think he makes an important point there as well. This migrant crisis that we’re living through now, even though he’s not here to see it, it could all be stopped with such great ease, couldn’t it? They could literally close that southern border with a stroke of a pen!

 

[1:15:53]

 

Natty: Oh, that’s one of the things that is totally clear with what you’re saying, is that it’s not that the government. I mean, in the book, Jean Raspail does take the teeth away from the government.

 

But in regards to where we are now it’s not that the government doesn’t have teeth and willingness to use force and use violence. But they don’t want to use it for the good of the country. They want to use it to repress their own people, arrest people for Twitter, things they write on Twitter.

 

You’re absolutely right! Any single person with just an ounce of moral fiber knows how to stop those migrant boats. And maybe there’d be involved, who knows? But it wouldn’t be hard, like you say, to even discuss this sounds stupid, because it’s so easy. It would be so ridiculously easy. And yet our own government is facilitating it!

 

This is what I mean. It’s not the problem that there’s 50,000 migrants in France who want to come across a Channel in small boats. The problem is that the government is helping them and wants to house them and pay the money when they get here! It’s totally the running theme is that in this book. And what now is that you’re going to get betrayed by the people in charge who hate you, and have this kind of pathological altruism that they’ve instilled into everyone. This kind of multiracial Diversity is Our Strength. You all know for slogans. This is a knife that’s jammed into your back using these slogans and using this kind of mass brainwashing.

 

Yeah, the government absolutely has a teeth to do certain things and take hard measures and take necessary steps if it feels as necessary, like arresting people for sunbathing! But stopping violent criminals, landing on your shore in little rubber dinghies:

 

“No, if we can’t do that! It’s too difficult, it costs too much money!”

 

Whatever. Pick your excuse!

 

Aunt Sally: It’s interesting that you said that, Mark, because I hadn’t thought of it.

 

But you’re right that the Egyptian fleet and the South African, how easy it was to turn them back. He’s showing thid. And what do we make of that? What Natty just said? They want it all engineered for a reason by people that don’t like us.

 

Mark Collett: Right. So we do have some Superchats. We don’t have many tonight. But we’ve got a few. So let’s do the ones we have, because we’ve only got about 35 minutes of this show left. So let’s do those. And then we can discuss a bit more of the book, or if anything else comes in, we can answer those as well.

 

So these are all from the same guy. He calls himself “A Stupid Moron”. I don’t know why he calls himself that, because he’s always very kind. So thank you for these Superchats. His first Superchat is he says:

 

“Hi, Mark. Pat Buchanan recently retired from writing. He was as close as a dissident Right figure to make the mainstream as we got. A good book to cover is The Death of the West. He was talking about demographics in the 1990s.”

 

Would you guys be interested in doing a Pat Buchanan book?

 

Natty: Yeah, absolutely. I keep hearing about him. I hear about him in circles and Telegram chats all the time. But, yeah, definitely. I’d certainly be up for that.

 

Aunt Sally: I would. I wouldn’t mind.

 

Mark Collett: It’s quite interesting. That people are brought up The Death of the West. And it’s interesting, because that was another book that I believe. If I’ve got this right, that was recommended reading when I was in the BNP. Yeah, it definitely was. It was originally published in 2001. Camp of the Saints was definitely recommended and Death of the West was as well. I remember Buchanan’s name being thrown around.

 

But I also think Pat Buchanan was somebody he was very, very he was a lot sort of more mainstream than, say, the people we usually have on this show. So it was interesting that he decided to basically write a book that sort of incendiary. He did go down sort of a line that the West was being destroyed by demographic change.

 

And he also was somebody who sought presidential nomination for the Republican Party. So it was quite interesting to see somebody who was that high up actually go down the route of talking about demographics in such an open way. Thank you for that Superchat.

 

The next one says:

 

“Recent Daily Mail article showed that 250,000,000, that’s 250,000,000, Latinos alone now want to migrate to the US. We are talking about Armageddon of Western civilization here.”

 

Yeah. Because obviously we get the dinghies. And the dinghies are resulting in some sort of quarter of a million illegal migrants washing up on Britain’s shores every year. But that land border between America and Mexico is obviously a huge, huge threat to America’s current demographic balance, which is already teetering on the brink.

 

What do you guys think about that? Do you think that America [word unclear] what is going to change when America does hit that demographic tipping point? Do you think that could be something that fundamentally, although will be disastrous for White Americans, do you think that could actually be something that could lead to America being supplanted by China, or even Russia as the global superpower?

 

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Natty: That’s an interesting question. It’s quite hard to predict what would happen. There’s definitely all of the intangible qualities that European that allowed America to become strong will slowly be lost as the demographics. I know it’s not exactly happening slowly, but as it changes, things just become worse and shittier and infrastructure becomes worse. American culture, there’s a certain, like, hollowness to it as well. The way the roads are laid out, you don’t walk anywhere. It’s all just buy this and advertising. So it’s not hard to imagine that at some point in the near future, the hordes coming up from South America who are totally on board, by the way, … Again, another aside. Sorry to keep doing this.

 

Another aside is that the people like White Europeans, we’ve got a certain taste for our media. And you have to kind of cater to that you have to tell stories that are good. This is why so much of kind of dissident adjacent circles are constantly harping on about how crap the new Lord of Rings is, or how crap the new Star Wars is, or how soulless Marvel films are. All the rest of it.

 

However, it seems like a lot of the people who they are trying to replace Europeans with successfully don’t have any of those hangups. They’re more than happy to just consume this garbage storytelling, this garbage crappy films and media and music that they just pump out to keep people entertained. And I think that’s part of the reason why they’re so keen to bring them in. I mean, it serves a dual purpose. It’s quick money and it replaces White people, which it seems to be what every establishment is hell bent on doing! And does it mean they’re going to lose out to China and Russia? Well, Russia, who knows? But China, yeah.

 

I mean, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t. There’s no reason why a country full of deracinated Mexicans, or Hondurans, or Brazilians, or whoever it is, is going to outcompete China who has a strong, if nothing else you can say about them has a strong sense of who they are and kind of this work ethic that means they are competitive and they’re willing to export and sell and buy. And all the rest of it.

 

So, yeah, I don’t see why not.

 

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Mark Collett: You’ve got to remember as well, that the Chinese are very interesting people, in that they are racially aware. And they are all very, very proud to be Chinese and want China to be the best! They want China to be the preeminent global superpower. Now, there are very few Britons alive today that want Britain to be a global superpower. And that’s a very interesting thing.

 

And you even see that in the gaming world. If you ever play a computer game, and you get beaten by somebody from China, you will just hear them screaming down the microphone:

 

“China number one! China number one!”

 

They want to dominate everything. [chuckling] They’ve got this sort of fierce racial pride in everything they do. And it’s comical! Because if I beat somebody, Call of Duty Wars, and if we win a game which very rarely happens, I can assure you, I don’t scream down the mic, :

 

“Britain’s number one!”

 

Even for somebody like me, that would seem absurd.

 

But they have national pride in everything they do, even winning an online multiplayer game, which tells you an awful lot about the Chinese as a people. And I think that’s very important. And I do think it does put you into this mindset that as America becomes more racially mixed and the more the Whites, completely deracinated, and there is an uptick in this sort of racial turmoil and diversity hires, which always seem to result in lower productivity and more chaos, you can see China just surpassing the US in every sense. And when that happens, well, there’s going to be a complete rebalancing of power. And I think you will know when that has happened. Because the first casualty will be Taiwan will be invaded.

 

Aunt Sally, do you have any comments on the Chinese?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I agree with what you said.

 

I mean, they really have a racial pride of themselves as a people. They don’t deserve to have it about their products, because everything I get is Chinese. I’ve got to the point now where I look to see where something’s made. And if it’s Chinese I’m not buying it, because it’s junk. It’s junk!

 

But one of the things that puzzles me is trade, like how trade works. And it’s going off topic. But it’s like, if I want to buy something from America, just a book, just a book from America, it costs $40 to get imported here.

 

But if you buy something from China, it’s free. So I don’t know what the trade deals are, but no wonder China is a superpower when our government have something in place where they get free postage everywhere.

 

As far as the politics go, China and Russia are superpowers. And I think India is going to be the next one. It’ll be the third superpower. And we are deracinated. We are a global minority now. And that really, really worries me, particularly when you think that of that minority, an awful lot of those are boomers. Sorry, Mark, I’m not up on politics. I don’t really, I’m not listening to the news anymore.

 

Mark Collett: Okay. Thank you for that. The same Superchatter said:

 

“Hey, Mark and PA, Europe and the US have enjoyed multiculturalism and diversity. But now it’s Israel’s turn. Please help and support the message of open borders for Israel.”

 

Thank you very much. Also said:

 

“Even Colonel Gaddafi warned about Europe turning black in 2009. He noted, millions of sub-Saharan Africans want it to come in. If an African leader can recognize this, Western leaders are complicit.”

 

Now, this, I think, is really, really interesting. Really interesting, the Colonel Gaddafi stuff.

 

Now, Colonel Gaddafi was somebody who did prevent migrants flooding through his country. And he was a blockade, if you like, to mass migration into Europe. But he was obviously completely shut down and prevented from doing that. Obviously, his country was destabilized, and with a Western backed coup, he was killed.

 

But isn’t it really amazing, when you think about it, that he was saying, he said a long time ago that people were to get rid of him, if people were to do away with Gaddafi and his regime, that would lead to this absolute tidal wave of people flooding through Libya to get to Europe. And that’s what happened.

 

And Western leaders, for no real reason, destabilized Libya and replaced him as leader, even though they have no business. Libya is obviously a sovereign nation.

 

I mean, Natty and Aunt Sally, I don’t know how much you want to talk about this. But that’s an interesting point, isn’t it? It sort of plays into things that Jean Raspail was talking about, that the Western liberal elite are playing every card in their hand in order to bring this about, even to the point of destabilizing nations, which obviously always leads to further mass immigration.

 

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Natty: So I actually had this in my notes about the book in that there are these kind of linchpin moments in history, the shooting of Franz Ferdinand that kicked off the First World War, the invasion of Poland, maybe as part of what happened in the Second World War. In the book, this incident at the Belgian embassy kicks off the invasion fleet heading to Europe.

 

But in reality, it was Gaddafi and the destruction of Libya and the destruction of Gaddafi’s government that led to this.

 

And if you put your conspiracy hat on, although I guess it’s not really conspiratorial to say that if Gaddafi understood this, when he was saying, :

 

“If you get rid of me, you are going to face this tidal wave of people flooding up from Africa in the Middle East and wherever else coming across the Mediterranean.”

 

If he understood that, then the people who were getting rid of him, namely the American regime, they obviously understood that too, which has to make you think, well, that’s exactly what they wanted, or part of what they wanted, whether it was a bonus on top of whatever else they were doing in the region. That’s what happened.

 

And as a result, not only did it lead to this gathering of people on the southern shores of the Mediterranean who wanted to cross to the northern shores, that’s just procedural, right? But it showed and exposed something that the book talks about as well, is that Europe had no backbone and no moral fiber to deal with it and stop it happening.

 

So, of course, everyone sees this, everyone recognizes it and so it just continues at pace and picks up pace. And even when it was happening back in, I think it was 2016, or 2015, people in this country were warning:

 

“This is going to be happening in the Channel soon enough. We’re a couple of years away from all of this being on our doorstep.”

 

And, of course nothing was done about it. Everyone just kind of turned over. Politicians ignore that kind of warning. And now, here we are. So history is a continuation. It’s not just stop, start, there’s cause and there’s effect, for everything.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah. The thing about Gaddafi, I remember him and I had so much admiration for him when I was younger, just, :

 

“Oh, Gaddafi is doing this.”

 

And I’m talking through the 80s and 90s. He was almost a bit of a hero, if I’m honest. But the media did everything they could to demonize him. And they made out he was evil incarnate. But you could see through it. I could see through it. Like he ruled his country with an iron rod. I think they loved him, didn’t they? His people? They didn’t hate him. Although the press would make out that he was an evil despot, wouldn’t they?

 

But I was actually quite sad when they killed him. But at the time, I wasn’t aware of what’s going on now. I didn’t see the connection. But he was so right, what he said was going to happen, happened. And the rest really it’s all happening now, isn’t it? Just because of that one man’s death this is all happening. But, yeah, I liked him. I kind of had respect for Saddam Hussein as well. I’m not sure what was lies and what was truth, what we were told about.

 

Mark Collett: Everything was lies with him. I mean, he literally didn’t do anything. He didn’t have any of the Weapons Of Mass Destruction that they said he did. He just wanted a strong state for his people.

 

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Aunt Sally: Yeah, and I saw at the time, he was another evil incarnate as far as our media was concerned. But I saw things about his people loving him and shrines to him and thinking:

 

“Well, how could they love him? How’s that happening?”

 

I mean, do you remember all these dead children that were gassed by Saddam Hussein that our media put out? So now, I can look back to things in the media, things in the press at the time, the propaganda they were giving us to hate somebody. And it was like all these children that he poisoned gassed.

 

I don’t know if you remember that photo, because it was quite an iconic photo at the time, these little Toddlers just laying face down dead because of him. And then what followed from that was, I don’t think they killed him then. But there was a drive to arrest him and catch him and kill him. But, yeah, I didn’t know what to make of him. But I didn’t quite believe what I was reading, even though I didn’t know what I know now.

 

Mark Collett: You know what’s always interesting as well, Sally. And I’m going to pose this question to you both. But I want you to answer it first. Obviously, gassings have a very special cultural power over us. But haven’t you noticed whenever a mad Middle Eastern despot has to be taken care of, it’s always because they’ve gassed somebody! It was the same with Al Assad in Syria. It was a gas attack! That was the reason why America had to start dropping bombs with Saddam Hussein. He gassed his enemies. And do you think this is something that is used, because it obviously has a mental connection for people to that certain history that people have been completely brainwashed over?

 

Aunt Sally: You know what I mean? He gassed his enemies. No, he killed children. Men, women and children. That was what we were shown. That was all the photos in the newspaper of these poor little Toddlers, these little Arab children all laying in the sand, frothing at the mouth. And I’ve seen something as well with the White Hats. They’ve done that quite a few times, the gassing thing.

 

But, yeah, this does seem to be a fixation with gassing going on somewhere, doesn’t it? That’s for sure. I forgot about Assad as well. He’s supposed to have done it. Why would you gas them? Why would you gas them? So there’s evidence. You just round them all up and throw them in hole, bury them! Why gas them and then let people take photos of it?

 

Natty: Careful Sally! [chuckling] It was a stupid, dubious incident in Syria that almost led us in there. Yeah, history repeats itself!

 

Mark Collett: It certainly does. We’ve got some final Superchats. One more from a good friend who sent several ones he put:

 

“Camp of the Saints was ahead of its time. Steve Sailor is the only person talking about the most important statistic in the world. 4.5 billion Africans by 2100! 50% of the youth want to go to Europe.”

 

Yeah, as we said throughout this stream, the one thing that Jean Raspail got wrong for me was where this was coming from. Now, I’m not saying Indians don’t want to come here. I’m not saying that having lots of Indians coming here would be a bad thing. Of course it would. But I don’t see this Indian problem.

 

The problem is Africa. And Africa is the one part of the world where the population growth is, you know, explosive! And they are going to be heading here. I remember back in my early days of YouTube, I did a video saying 100 million Africans, or 200, I can’t remember it’s either 100 million, or 200 million headed to Europe. And this came from a speech from, actually, a French official, which is quite poetic considering we’re talking about a French author and a book which is largely set based around the fate of France.

 

But, yeah, they are coming here in large numbers. Rory Herbert gave £3. Thank you so much, Rory. And he said:

 

“Dear Mark, would you consider reviewing the novel Lord of the Flies, written by William Golden in 1954, or the film of the same name?”

 

I think it might be an interesting topic. Because yeah, you know what? I’ve actually read The Lord of the Flies. It’s been a long time since I have. And I always found that book quite disturbing, especially the end. There’s a lot that can be taken from that. I would be actually interested in reading Lord of the Flies again.

 

And as I say, I remember reading that in school. And Cheesy Watson gave a generous £25. Thank you so much, my friend. He said:

 

“Another book on a similar theme to Camp of the Saints is Fugue.”

How do you pronounce that? F-U-G-U-E. How do you pronounce hat Natty? I’m expecting you all know, because I don’t.

 

Natty: Sorry, Mark, I’m struggling to hear you. My audio is breaking up a little bit there.

 

Mark Collett: How do you pronounce the word? F-U-G-U-E?

 

Aunt Sally: Is it French?

 

Natty: Fugue? I think you could be in a fugue state. I think.

 

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Mark Collett: Yes, that’s it. I didn’t want to read it out incorrectly:

 

“Fugue for a Darkening Island by Christopher Priest. It details civil war when African refugees flood Britain. Interesting. It was published around 1971, just before Camp of the Saints. Not sure if it’s any good, though.”

 

I would definitely be interested in reading that if it’s similar. And this is African refugees flooding Britain. And it was published in 1971.

 

By the way, Sally, you were correct. He wrote the book, or finished the book in 1972, when I said it was he wrote it in 1973. What I meant was it was originally published in 1973. But yeah. Thank you for that, Cheesy. What’s it. I’m going to see if that one is actually available.

 

And, yes, it is. You can get that on Ebay for as little as £3.49. And I’ll read you the premise of this. The novel story is told in an acronylogical fashion, jumping back and forth between several time periods. The protagonist, a former Professor of English named Alan Whitman, is initially concerned only with protecting his wife and daughter, but is gradually drawn further into the broader conflict over the course of events. And it says:

 

“It is brought about by the rise of a new third party who enter government and combat a massive influx in African refugees, which have been allied in part by the principal opposition faction known as the Secessionist, culminating into a multiple party conflict.”

 

So, yeah, that would be very, very interesting. And obviously it’s by an English writer.

 

So, yeah, would absolutely review this. Obviously, we probably [words unclear] next month. Because it would be like two books that are identical back to back. But, yeah, and the author is still alive. He’s 79. So maybe we could wrangle it and get him on the show? But that sounds very interesting. Have we lost Natty? We’ve lost Natty. He said he was having troubles.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, he’s gone.

 

Mark Collett: He’ll be fine. And we got another question. This is from Jack Bevan. He said, :

 

“Would you be interested in reviewing Liberalism Unmasked by Richard Houk? He’s a writer for Counter-Currents?”

 

Yeah, well, look, anyone from Counter-Currents is welcome to come on. Richard Houk, if you’re reading this, or if anyone can get him to email us, would happily review his book, he’d be more than welcome to come on the show. So the answer to that is, absolutely! We certainly would review your book, my friend. So, yes.

 

As I say, Natty is still gone. And we’re getting to the point of the night where we’re about to wrap up. So that is very unfortunate, because we certainly want his wise words on the roundup at the end.

 

So, yeah, we’ll discuss a few other things and hopefully he will be back in the next couple of minutes. He’s probably rebooting his computer as we speak. Computers are obviously a bit of a pain in the butt and can be very irritating.

 

But, yeah, I want to say just a couple of final things about this. I just think it’s quite poetic, really, that we’re reviewing this book tonight, especially considering the protests that I’ve been at over the last few weekends. I think that everything that Jean Raspail said, other than them coming from India was largely-oh he’s back!-was largely correct. And I do think it makes for a very entertaining book. Natty, can you hear us? Can you hear me?

 

Natty: Can you guys hear me?

 

Mark Collett: You’re back. We’ve got a $5 Superchat. Somebody saying:

 

“Would we ever review two of the books written by William Pierce?”

 

No, we absolutely wouldn’t! I don’t recommend anybody in Britain seek out the books of William Pierce. I’m not saying the guy was a bad man. He did some excellent work. But some of his books are likely to be the kind of book that could get you into some trouble. And we certainly wouldn’t recommend that you read, or seek out any texts that could get you into bother. And we certainly do not endorse any form of violent direct action, or anything that could lead to any individual who is interested in nationalism getting into trouble.

 

We believe that the only way is peaceful, Democratic community building. And that is what we’re investing in. As I said, I think Dr William Pierce did some very good work throughout his life. But some of his books could well be books that are on that secret government banned list, which is enforced in a very unfair way. What I mean, by that is you can go to Waterstones, or WH Smith and buy certain books. And if you’re an anarchist, or a Leftist, there’s nothing wrong with that.

 

But if you happen to be a nationalist and you pick up those books, you will be arrested. And people have gone to jail for owning them. So there is definitely selective enforcement of the law there. So if you’re basically an Antifa terrorist, you can own those books.

 

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But if you are a nationalist who might be curious about what’s in those books, you could get arrested. So what I’m saying is. You need to be very, very careful what you do. And we want to channel all of our energies into things that are legal, above board and are based around building communities and changing the political landscape. So we absolutely don’t endorse those books.

 

Anyway, what we should do is now head towards wrapping up this show. I think it’s been a very good show tonight. And we started a few minutes late. I’m sure everyone wants to get off at around 09:00, because it’s Sunday night.

 

So Aunt Sally is now the first one on my panel. So, Aunt Sally, do you want to give your final thoughts on this book. And whether you recommend it? I think it’s going to be pretty scathing.

 

Aunt Sally: .. I think it’s very much a man’s book. It’s not my cup of tea. I really didn’t like it. Almost traumatized by it. It’s horrible! But there are some very interesting lessons to be learnt, or to be had from it. So it’s not a bad book, it’s just really just not my thing at all. Yeah, but everyone else seems to rave about it. You both liked it, I think. But I’m a woman and I’m playing the girl card. It’s not for me. It’s nothing in it that, … Politics bore the hell out of me anyway.

 

But the interesting parts are the way that the liberals acted. And I thought, then how did he know that’s how they would act all the way back then? It’s worth a read if it’s your cup of tea. It’s not mine. Sorry. Anyway, I’ll pop it back.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much Aunt Sally. I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the book. And obviously we don’t try to foist books upon you that you don’t enjoy. But, yeah, not every book is going to be for every man, or every woman.

 

So, Natty, I think your take is going to be slightly different to Aunt Sally’s. Do you recommend this book? Did you enjoy it? What’s your final thoughts, my friend?

 

Natty: Yeah, definitely. Not only is it an enjoyable book. Again it’s one of those books that’s quite important for it’s time. I’ll tell you what, on a personal level as well, it’s written a little bit like Starship Troopers and the way Robert Heinlein wrote in that there’s kind of political ideas and political essays coming out of some of the mouths of the characters in what is a novel form, which I really enjoy…

 

I think it’s quite easy when you have a book, a non-fiction book, it can get a bit dry and stale. But if you have political ideas coming out of the mouths of characters who are also taking certain actions, whether it’s going to war, or defending borders, or whatever they’re doing, it makes it much more interesting.

 

So there’s a lot of that in this book.

 

So, yeah, definitely. Highly recommended! Highly recommended!

 

Mark Collett: Okay, well, I’ll give you my final thoughts. I like this book, and I liked it for a few reasons. I liked it because it was very much a story told on a macro level that dived into a few different individuals and showed their story, but without really focusing. There wasn’t sort of one hero, or one central character. And I think that’s a very bold move! I think that’s a very difficult kind of book to write and to make it compelling. But it’s something I like.

 

I always really enjoy the beginning of zombie films where you start to see the crumbling of society and the zombie sort of taking over. And I tend to not enjoy the second half of those films where it just becomes the same well trodden heroes journey of five people fighting their way out of a shopping centre, or making their way to an airport to refit the last helicopter that can fly out of there and escape.

 

I like seeing how everything changes and society collapses. And I like actually watching that take place, or I’ve always wanted to watch that take place over the entire course of the film. But you never get this.

 

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And I felt this book was really bold in the it showed you everything on a macro level. And it also wrote things from a certain perspective where you felt this impending doom. And as a reader, you’re constantly hoping that something was going to change. You were constantly thinking:

 

“Oh my gosh, can this be stopped?”

 

And it doesn’t! Which leads to quite a shocking ending, an ending that sort of gives you a slap around the face with a wet fish.

 

And that’s a good thing as well, because this author, he wrote things in a different way and he made you think about things. And there’s so much of it that’s prophetic. There’s so much of it which sort of draws on history, like the Haitian revolution.

 

And so much of it is relevant to the current struggle that we are engaged in. So much of that book can be applied to what’s happening today. And obviously so much so, that it has influenced people like Steve Bannon, who was really the mastermind behind Trump’s successful 2016 run.

 

So I definitely recommend picking this up. There’s a link in the description below to a copy on Archive.org, which is free. There is the full PDF that can be downloaded from my Telegram. And there’s also the audio book in several parts that can be downloaded from my Telegram. Obviously, they’re all free. So please do feel that you can go and get this book and enjoy it.

 

And obviously, if you want a physical copy in English, Claymore Books do have one coming out. But at the moment, physical copies in English are very rare and do fetch well over £100 per copy. I mean, I’ve seen them go for over 200. So that’s quite a lot for a book.

 

But it is obviously highly sought after, because it is one of those books you could say is a formative read. It’s something that helps people form their opinions and solidify their work, solidifies their worldview. And it does it all, probably with a little bit of Sci-Fi, with a little bit of that dystopian future. Which I do think Sally is very right when she says it’s certainly more of a male book than it is a female book.

 

So maybe if you are a female, you wouldn’t enjoy this as much. But considering it’s free and considering it’s available in audio format, I definitely do believe that this could be something that you may well enjoy. And as it’s free, I suggest giving it a whirl.

 

So, yeah, that’s my thoughts. And obviously everyone’s giving their thoughts. So that comes to the end of the stream. Obviously the stream has been slightly shorter tonight, because we’re having a couple of technical issues getting started. But I hope you’ve enjoyed it all the same. It’s only about five minutes shorter than usual anyway. So I think we’ve managed to wrap up just in time.

 

So I will be back next week. On Wednesday. We’ve got two guests on Patriotic Weekly Review. It’s going to be Laura Tower and Emily Yukis. It’s going to be a bit of a woman’s hour. So they will be doing what women do best, which is chat a lot. And you can obviously join them. And you can ask them your questions.

 

We should also be back next Friday night for a big stream. It’s going to be our monthly roundup stream and obviously if you’ve been living under a rock, you’ll have missed the fact that Patriotic Alternative have had probably one of their biggest ever months. It’s been a month to remember.

 

We’ve had several demos, which would be massive. I’ve spoken at two separate massive anti-immigrant demos, both of them with well over 100 people there. About 115 in Leeds, about 200 to 215 in Hull. So that’s been a busy month. So you can have the full round up there.

 

And Laura and Sam will be back tomorrow night with Teatime with Sam and Laura. So you can check that out too. And obviously we will be back at the end of next month for another edition of Book Club. And I’m talking to an author who’s contacted me through Twitter, who wants to send me and the guys here a copy of his book.

 

And next month we will be joined by another reviewer as well, a guy called Bill Aithling from Wales who is a PA activist. So we’re going to get the numbers back up to four reviewers. I hope you’ll all be looking forward to that. Anyway, everyone, if you can, please give you goodbyes and say good night and we’ll wrap things up.

 

Aunt Sally: Goodbye, everyone. Thanks for listening.

 

Natty: See you later, guys. See you next month. Look forward to whatever book comes down the pipe. Have a good evening.

 

 

 

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