Mark Collett: Hello everybody. And welcome to tonight’s stream. It is, of course, the last Sunday of the month which can mean only one thing. It is PA Book Club. And PA Book Club tonight is reviewing Reactionary Modernism, which is a collection of essays by the late great Jonathan Bowden.

 

I want to call him Sir Jonathan Bowden. I can’t, because he isn’t a Sir. But he certainly deserves that title. He was a great man. He was somebody I actually knew, IRL [In Real Life]. I met him on numerous occasions and had the joy of hearing him speak live! So. This is going to be a pretty good stream.

 

And it’s going to be particularly good for me, because obviously I’ve got some personal history with the man. As I said, I did know him, I did speak to him. And I worked with him at one point when we were both in the British National Party. He was the British National Party’s Cultural Officer for a long period, before he fell out with Nick Griffin. And Nick Griffin expelled him from the party, along with a lot of other talented people. So Bowden was somebody who obviously fell foul of that regime, and he went on to do his own thing. And sadly he has passed away. He’s no longer with us.

 

But. Before we get into the stream. I just want to make the point that we are live on Odysee, we’re live on Radio Albion. And we’re live on Dlive. Make sure you are following us all there. And we’re also live on Entropy. So if you’d like to ask questions, or if you’d like to make donations you can make financial contributions to this stream via Odysee using the support button, or via Entropy. You can go into Entropy, you can ask non-paid, or paid questions I’ll answer all the non-paid and paid questions tonight on this stream.

 

So if you’ve got any points to make. If you want to ask anything about the book. Or if you want to just pay tribute to Jonathan Bowden, or just help us financially in a small way, you can do. Those are two ways you can do it.

 

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Now the book was supplied to us for free by Counter-Currents. It was edited by Greg Johnson, and Greg is here with us this evening. We’re lucky enough to have him here. But before we go over to Greg Johnson I usually always say we can get the author to start us off. And tell us a bit about the book. But this isn’t so much a book penned by Greg, but a collection of essays. So we’ll go to Greg in a minute.

 

We’ll start off with Natty. Natty how you doing my friend? Have you had a good weekend? What have you been up to? And did you enjoy the book?

 

Natty: I’m very well thanks Mark. Hello everyone. Hello Greg. Thank you for being here. Hello Laura. I hope you’ve all had a good weekend. Yeah, I’ve been paddle boarding down the Fowey in Cornwall in the glorious, glorious sunshine! So I’ve had quite a nice weekend, and stopping at little creeks along the way and reading the book whilst eating packed lunches. So yeah, I’ve had a wonderful weekend.

 

And despite only getting the book on Wednesday, last Wednesday, I’ve ploughed through it. Because I don’t like reading ebooks. I understand [chuckling] Laura got it somewhat later than that. So I don’t know how far though it she got. But I certainly enjoyed it.

 

And being that Bowden’s speeches are so good to listen to, I think it’s nice to have something that’s kind of a solid piece in my bookshelf where I’ve got Bowden’s words transcribed and edited so well by Greg. I know that you’ve said you’ve got a bit to say about what’s lost when you transcribe a speech onto paper. But I’m sure we’ll get into that. But nevertheless it’s good to have this book in hand I think.

 

Mark Collett: Thank you very much my friend. Laura how was your weekend? What did you get up to? And did you enjoy the book?

 

Laura Towler: Hi everyone. Yes I had a good weekend, thank you. It was Catherine’s Christening today. So we had a Christening ceremony. And then a bit of a party. Mark was there. And so I got home two hours ago and I, …

 

Mark Collett: Say my name Laura! What am I now?

 

Laura Towler: The Godfather! [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: That is all I want to hear! That is me done for the night! I’ll see you next week!

 

Laura Towler: [chuckling] So I got given the book by Mark at Catherine’s Christening today. So as you can imagine I haven’t read much of it. Although I did come home and read it for two hours. Are we doing thoughts on the book now, Mark? Or just introductions for now?

 

Mark Collett: Well yeah, or what did you, because obviously you had the ebook a little bit in advance, because there was a little bit of a, …

 

Laura Towler: You had a PDF version.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. The PDF.

 

Laura Towler: I don’t like to read on them.

 

Mark Collett: No! No! No. I’ll say this Greg is a better author than he is an organizer of getting books sent out on time! I think Greg will take that one on the chin! Would you agree with that Greg?

 

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Greg Johnson: I blame Covid! Anyway, it’s nice to be on the show.

 

Mark Collett: It’s not even a thing! Get yourself [chuckling], …

 

Greg Johnson: I blame Covid [words unclear], …

 

Mark Collett: Right, carry on Laura.

 

Laura Towler: Yes. Well, I was very excited that we’re doing this book. And that this is a topic of discussion today, because even though I haven’t finished the book. I think it’s a very interesting topic. And you’ve got lots of questions for Greg. I think that we might disagree with each other a little bit about the topic in this. I’m not sure what Mark’s thoughts are on modern art and stuff. So it’d be good if we could get a bit of a debate going back and forward.

 

But I love this. And I talk about art quite a lot. I spoke about it in my first PA speech back when we launched in September 2019. And Sam and I did a show about art a few weeks ago on Tea Time. And what I really like about Bowden is that he isn’t just someone who wants to recreate what we’ve already done, and just drag up things from the past and say:

 

“This was a perfect time in our history, therefore let’s recreate it.”

 

He wants something fresh and modern and exciting. And I love that about him. So I think it’s going to be a really good conversation. And this is definitely a book that I’m going to finish. And I love my job, when I get sent books like this for free! Because it would have been a book that I bought anyway. So yeah, I’m looking forward to finishing it. And I’ll pass it back to you Mark.

 

Mark Collett: Okay our next guest is Aunt Sally. Hello Aunt Sally. How are you doing? Did you have a good weekend? And what did you think of the book? What are your first impressions?

 

Aunt Sally: Hello Mark. Hello everyone. Is my audio okay?

 

Mark Collett: We’ll have to deal with it.

 

Aunt Sally: Is it? Oh, okay well I’ve had a good weekend. It’s all fine. Yes, I have enjoyed the book. It is something I didn’t really know very much about as far as modernism and art. It’s been very interesting. It’s interesting to read. And I found myself going off in a tangent looking up these artists and their work, as I’m reading the book. Certain artists, Wyndham Lewis. And there’s a few of them that I’ve heard of, but didn’t really know much about. I found myself getting distracted a lot by the book itself. So yeah, I really enjoyed it.

 

Mark Collett: Okay! Well, I’ve had a good weekend. It was very nice to be at Catherine’s Christening earlier today. I really enjoyed that obviously. And I’ve got to say I got to sample some of Laura’s excellent gingerbread. And it is truly excellent! I’ve got to say, in fact, it’s probably the best gingerbread I’ve ever had. Actually, I really like soft gingerbread. And this was exceptional. So good news there.

 

Now on to the book. Firstly, I think this book’s really important! I’ve actually got it here in my hand now I’m just flying through! I’m just leafing through it, as we speak. Now I think the book is very important. It’s very important, because Jonathan sadly isn’t with us anymore.

 

And this is a collection of his works. And they’re a collection of speeches. And speeches are things that in Jonathan’s period mostly will be lost. There are many great speakers out there people like Jonathan Bowden, Richard Edmonds, John Tyndall. People who dedicated their life to nationalism and many of their speeches will be lost.

 

Now obviously we live in a different time. We live in a time where speeches aren’t lost, or we live in a time thankfully where most things are immortalized on the internet. So if you’ve been working on something. If you’ve been part of a project, that project will usually find its way onto the internet. And it’ll usually be archived somewhere and saved forever. And even if it’s in a tiny little backwater page on Odysee, or BitChute with only 50 subscribers, it’s still there for people to happen across it. And that’s very important.

 

Because back then, back when Bowden was making his speeches, that wasn’t the case. His speech speeches are lost to the sands of time, or many of them are. However, Greg has painstakingly gone back and captured these speeches in some form, or another. Put them together in a readable format. So you can read them as essays. And I think this book is so very important, because of that!

 

Now, I’m not initially going to comment on the content of the book. Because I don’t actually agree with Jonathan Bowden on a lot of what he was saying in the book, actually, I don’t agree with some of his takes on this. But what I will say is it is important.

 

However, there is a caveat to all of this. And it’s an unfortunate caveat. And it’s a caveat that shouldn’t detract from the book itself. And it shouldn’t stop you buying the book. So I’m not saying don’t buy the book. But I will say this. I knew Jonathan. I spent time with him one-on-one talking with him. I spent time with him around dinner tables with groups of people discussing things with him. I listened to his speeches in person on a number of occasions.

 

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And Jonathan was a great British eccentric! He was a man that had certain mannerisms, certain ways of speaking, certain phrases. The way he postured, the way he threw his hands up in the air. The way he would enunciate his words. He was one of a kind. And he was quintessentially British.

 

But unfortunately that Britishness, the very nature of Jonathan which was captured in the moment, or you took in when you heard him speak, it’s very difficult to put that into a book. And although the book is excellent. And I do recommend it. And I do think these are important things, because they keep his memory alive. And that’s something that we should absolutely want to do. We should want to preserve his works and keep his memory alive.

 

Unfortunately some of it is slightly lost in translation when it comes to the book. Because you do, to some degree, miss out on Jonathan! You get his words. But they’re not coming from him. And, because they’re not coming from him, you miss that just “something else”, that he added. And he really did add “something else”. He really did put his heart and soul in there. If you like, these are the words of Jonathan, but minus Jonathan.

 

So yes, it’s important to preserve that. But it is no substitute really for listening to him speak. Because as a narrator he added so much. He’s one of the best speakers I’ve ever heard. He added so much to his speeches with his mannerisms, his hand gestures. And that’s lost. But I still think the project is brilliant, and very, very important, because without projects like this Jonathan’s work would be lost. It would just be lost to the sands of time. And that’s something we should never allow to happen.

 

So thank you to Greg, for doing this. Thank you to Greg for taking this, undertaking this project and keeping his work alive. So Greg we’ll introduce you now my friend. It’s always a pleasure to have you on everyone knows who you are! You’re a good friend of myself, good friend of Patriotic Alternative, good friend of PWR. We love having you on book club.

 

You collected this. You turned this into an essay. The first thing. I’m going to ask is, how did you do this? Can you tell us the story of how you came to collect these things and turn them into readable works?

 

Greg Johnson: Well, it’s great to be on the show. Thank you for having me on. I met Jonathan for the first time in 2009. I saw him speak twice in the United States. The first talk wasn’t recorded. The second one was at a Counter-Current retreat at the beginning of 2012. And we did record that. That’s the speech Western Civilization Bites Back.

 

I was shocked when he died. He died on the 29th of March, 10 years ago. And I was brought up short by it. I was shocked by it. And immediately I started trying to get a hold of things by him, recordings by him.

 

Mike Polignano who’s my business partner at the time started transcribing things. I had recorded the Western Civilization Bites Back speech. And also an interview with him. I think it was the last interview that was recorded by him. And they were on a flash drive that was broken. I ended having up having to spend [chuckling] $300 to get the information recovered from the broken flash drive. And so those audios are preserved.

 

It turns out that the most important person was Matt Tate. Matt Tate at a certain point, after seeing Jonathan speak a few times, thought:

 

“We really should record these!”

 

And so he went out and got a recorder and started taping speeches. And he taped all of Jonathan’s speeches that he went to from that point on.

 

And so we have a lot of them. We have about two-thirds, I think, of the talks that he gave for the New Right in London. There are a lot that were lost. I don’t have any idea how many speeches he gave for the BNP. We have more than 20 of those, that are extant. And I recently heard from a fellow in the north of England, who would record Jonathan when he spoke in that area. I guess in the Manchester area, he would record him.

 

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He also recorded a couple of sort of documentary things where Jonathan talked about The Turner Prize, and British sculpture. There were sort of slide shows. In one of them Jonathan’s just turning the pages of a book and talking about the images. And he has all of these speeches in high quality files. He’s saved them all.

 

He has speeches by John Tyndall. There are a couple speeches by Jonathan that were only incomplete on the internet, that he has complete versions of and he’s got high quality versions of all of them. And so this is a big find.

 

And one of the things that we’re going to be doing with the Jonathan Bowden archive website, which I just put up last month, is we’ll start hosting the best quality versions of the videos and audios that we can get of Jonathan.

 

And one of the things that we started doing immediately after he died is transcribing his speeches. Mike Polignano was the first person to start doing that. Other people stepped forward to volunteer. A fellow who goes by his initials VS, he did a whole bunch of Jonathan’s speeches.

 

And then we would crowdsource the hard parts, the tricky parts, the words that were hard to understand. And one person who recently was very, very helpful with that is Millennial Woes. He has his followers on Telegram. And he would put clips, a little quote, little clips of audio that I couldn’t transcribe. And native, British English speakers, they could hear that. And they would know what he’s saying. Whereas, I couldn’t really make it out. And so he had a little brain trust working on that for me.

 

So it’s been a crowdsourced thing. It’s been a collective thing. But a few people really got it started. Matt Tate had a huge role in preserving this. This other fellow that I recently was contacted by who made these videos had the responsibility to history to keep these things.

 

And that’s the thing that gets me. I’ve worked for years gathering material for a biography of Savitri Devi. And over the years I’ve seen so much material lost, or heard about so much material lost! Because people don’t make any provisions for preserving things like their correspondence. And so forth. After they die they think:

 

“Well who would care about this?”

 

Right? And so that’s how history gets lost! People don’t take the responsibility to keep things. And then to make sure that once they die the stuff just isn’t binned by their kids, or a person who doesn’t approve of Jonathan Bowden, or something like that.

 

Years ago this woman in the UK who was the executor for Muriel Gantry, who was a friend of Savitri Devi, I got in touch with her after Muriel died. And she said:

 

“Well, I threw away 34 years of correspondence with Savitri Devi, because I found it offensive.”

 

And I just groaned! [chuckling] But that’s how history gets lost. So I really want to thank people like Matt to whom this book is dedicated, and others who save these things for history.

 

And one of the best ways of getting this stuff circulating is to get it in print, printed form. Someday the internet may go off! It’s amazing, it might go off all together. But many, many sites that I have known over the past, twenty years have disappeared. I’ve made a point of making copies of every translation that appears of my work, or other works at Counter-Currents, on other websites. And I’m glad I made a point of doing that. Because some of these websites just disappeared. And if I hadn’t made a copy there would be no copy available.

 

So I’m an archivist. I’ve created a Savitri Devi archive. I’ve created the Jonathan Bowden archive. I want to maintain history I want to keep the history of our movement alive. And keep the work of people like Jonathan alive.

 

And the 10th anniversary of his death was a really opportune time to create this archive. And I knew that as soon as the archive was out there I would start hearing from people who had new material. And that’s begun to happen. So I’m very, very encouraged by it.

 

There’s going to be another book coming out next year. Another collection of speeches and essays. I’m going to call it, The Cultured Thug. And I have enough for a pretty substantial volume of interviews by Jonathan. And finally enough for a very solid book, maybe a book as much as 400 pages of the transcripts of his surviving BNP stump speeches. So there’s a lot more to look forward to.

 

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Mark Collett: Well, that is superb news. I’m really happy about that. I mean, as I said, I knew Jonathan, I know Matt Tate very well, in fact. I’ve met him on a number of occasions, spent a lot of time in his company. We have a lot of mutual friends. I’m pleased that Matt was involved in this project. And it’s good to see that so many people have come together to make this happen and to preserve his body of work, as best we can.

 

So let’s go into the book then. And we’ll start by going around the group. Because obviously we’ve talked about the importance of preserving the book but what do people actually think about the content of these speeches, or essays? We’ll start with you Natty. What was your thoughts on Bowden’s take on Modernism? Because in this he talks a lot about modern art. And he’s actually quite a fan of modern art. What was your take on this?

 

Natty: Well, I’ve got more notes for this book than I’ve made for any of the other books we’ve had on the book club. Which is strange, because it’s only 200 pages. So it’s probably one of the shorter books. And I’m not actually an enjoyer of art, especially not the kind of art that Jonathan Bowden’s talking about.

 

As a young boy I was probably dragged to galleries and looked at certain things. I do have a disdain for certain modern artists, like Tracy Emin. I know that towards the end of the book he talks about The Turner Prize. And I don’t know if Tracy Emin ever won it. But that art piece she did with her bed, even as a teenager not really understanding much about the world, that always disgusted me! And I always thought what’s this proto-Instagram thot who’s just taking a picture of her bed with tampons and beer bottles all over it, being allowed to earn millions and be lauded by the art world as some sort of revolutionary artist. And I think Jonathan Bowden rightly savages those type of people. Which is good, and I enjoy it, because it’s cathartic on that level.

 

But I wasn’t aware of Wyndham Lewis. And he talks a bit about TS Eliot. And some of the other guys in here. But I enjoyed reading about his takes on them. And I’m probably not going to have such a strong view of either of you guys, where you might go back and forth. So I’m looking forward to hearing a little bit more of an in-depth analysis from you guys. But I enjoyed it. And I’m willing to dig into some of these notes, when the discussion gets going.

 

Mark Collett: Okay. Laura, what was your thoughts on Jonathan’s opinions on modern art?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. Well, I haven’t finished the book like I said. But from the first few essays I read, I agree with him. And I’m actually a fan of Modern art too. I think people get confused, because they think all the last few decades were Modern art. But I’d say that’s more Contemporary art. And Modern art is sort of 1860s to 1970s. And so like your post impressionism Van Gogh, that kind of stuff is Modern art. And I love that. I love that stuff.

 

Because I think there’s only so many times that you can replicate a near to photograph painting before you stop really feeling anything from it. And one of my favourite artists is Caravaggio, who came just after the Renaissance period. And I absolutely love his art. But I think if people were to try and replicate that today, I don’t really think I’d feel anything from it. I think I’d look at it and think:

 

“That’s really good, you’re really talented.”

 

But, I think, in order to inspire, you know, feelings of excitement, and fear, and terror, and all sorts of emotions, I think it needs to be a little bit deeper, and a little bit different.

 

And obviously this period correlates with when photography became more mainstream we didn’t have to paint things close to life anymore, because we had photographs, and obviously moving pictures, and films and stuff. So I agree with Bowden.

 

And I think when we go forward. And we create this new age, whatever it is that happens to our people, to White people in the future, I think it needs to be something fresh, and exciting, and modern. I don’t think it needs to be a replica of what we’ve already had. So yeah, I’m hash-tag Team Bowden! [chuckling] I’ll pass it back.

 

Mark Collett: Okay. Aunt Sally, what were your thoughts on Bowden’s opinions on Modern art?

 

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Aunt Sally: I’m a bit, I’m more with Natty on this, I think. I’m not a massive fan of modern art. I’ve spent my life raising children, I haven’t really noticed it that much except when it came on with Tracy Emin thing. I just remember a sideways look at that and thinking:

 

“What the heck is going on!”

 

One thing I’ve learnt from this book is how art has historically been used to shape a nation. And what I found really interesting was the fact that these artists, Wyndham Lewis, and TS Elliot, they were the rock stars of their day. And they would have sought after crowd that everybody wanted to hang around. And they were the ones that were sort of worshipped instead of pop stars. I found that really fascinating.

 

And there’s so much, I wish I’d had this big book earlier, because there’s so much I’ve gone off in the tangent doing more research into these artists and looking at their work. I even looked at, … I didn’t even know Bowden was an artist! I don’t know that much about [word unclear] Bowden myself. I’ve watched a few of his speeches. I’m quite new to him. And I’m fascinated by him. I loved his art. But I didn’t like his modern art. I liked his landscapes and stuff.

 

But the book cover itself, that image of Mussolini, I really hate it! I’d love to know what everyone else thought that. I hate it! I can’t make head nor tail why those colours are there! It’s horrible! Anyway, I’m rambling on. I’ll let you carry on Mark.

 

Mark Collett: I’m with you Aunt Sally. I look at the picture on the cover and I think it’s ugly. I think it’s pointless. I think it’s childish. I think it’s the kind of dross that somebody might just churn out when they’re doodling something.

 

Now, I don’t think all art just has to be a replication of previous art. And I do like different sort of interpretations of imagery. And I do like certain forms of say animation, or certain forms of interpreting something that makes it look more stylized, or brings out say a certain darkness, or makes an image look more sinister, or more welcoming, or gives an image more depth. It doesn’t simply have to be photo realistic.

 

 

And there are some modern artists who produce art that isn’t particularly classical. Says like HR Giger. Now people will know who HR Giger is even if they don’t know his name, because he’s the guy who did the design of the alien in the Alien films. The xenomorph.

 

And if you look at Giger’s paintings, I think they’re absolutely spectacular! I think they are skillful. I think they are modern. I think they’re forward-looking. I think they’re haunting. I think sometimes they are out and out stomach churning and odd. But, they’re still clearly something.

 

They’re not just a nonsense. They’re not just a bizarre abstract scribbles and squiggles, thrown on a page with random colours and boxes and strange lines! You can tell what they are, you can tell they’re an alien life form.

 

And when I look at the picture on the front cover here, until I read it was Mussolini with planes going over him, it just I didn’t know whether it was somebody’s actually, I didn’t actually know whether it was someone’s sort of bizarre sort of interpretation of Bowden himself! It was just a mess!

 

And I do fundamentally disagree actually [chuckling] with Bowden’s thoughts on this. Now obviously me disagreeing with his thoughts, it doesn’t mean I don’t think his work should be preserved. It doesn’t mean I think of him as any less of a man.

 

But I certainly don’t think that modern art, in the sense of the abstract, and these strange angular shapes cobbled together with bright primary colours, approximating a human figure, when you kind of squinted it and, you know, look at it from an angle. I don’t really think that is art.

 

I think art is defined as being beautiful, which is very important. But it’s also very subjective. But I think art should also be defined as something that can only be produced by the few. I think it’s beauty and excellence. And the beauty is very, very subjective. But excellence is objective, in that not everyone can achieve that excellence.

 

So when I do see modern art, and I like it, it tends to be something that I would say has a large degree of skill involved in making it. And I think much of the modern art that we see today has no skill involved.

 

And I do understand what Laura is saying about photography. I’m not saying every artist has to perfectly recreate an image in the most photo realistic way possible. And I do think that you can take an image and add themes, or feelings, to that image by accentuating certain things. Making the image really tell more of a story than just it being a photo realistic depiction of something that was once there.

 

But I do think the kind of modern art that Jonathan’s talking about in this, it really isn’t my thing at all. But obviously this is a discussion show! So we’re open to discussion. And I’m sure we’re gonna have one now.

 

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Natty: Can I just say, I didn’t realize that the picture on the front of a book was Mussolini, until you guys started talking about it now. So I’m getting an education in real time here! I think I’m gonna share the screen so everyone can see it. I do disagree with you. So I don’t know if you can put that up Mark? I’ve put it down the bottom of the thing. So you can put it up on the screen.

 

 

Now I’m looking at it, like there’s quite a like a hard glint in his eye. And it’s quite obvious like the angle of his nose and like a hard sweep of his chin, that’s a good, that’s not just you’ve looked at a photo of him and scribbled some lines down and thought:

 

“Yeah. Because that’s kind of representative of what he looks like.”

 

There’s clearly some thought being put into that of like what he looks like and the kind of person he was, right? I’m not, …

 

Mark Collett: Mate! If you have to be told what the image is, it’s not a good image! [Natty laughs] That’s like when my daughter scribbles something:

 

“Like, that’s lovely Sofia! Is it a dog?”

 

And she’s like:

 

“It’s a flower daddy!”

 

[chuckling]

 

Natty: Because I was just reading the book! So I was like:

 

“Okay there’s a funny drawing on the front.”

 

But now I’m taking it in, I can see that is art. For instance, I’ll bring her up again if anyone Googles just Tracy Emin, you can see – not the bed – but the actual art she did where she’s just like throwing paint at a canvas. That is trash! There’s no value to that. There’s nothing you can draw from that.

 

But this is actually a picture. And it definitely has some, like I said you can see his eye. There’s a way he looks in his eye that’s where thoughts being put into that. And some, there’s like an intelligence behind that piece, right? Maybe I’m wrong. I don’t know.

 

Aunt Sally: But can I just say that that picture is Bowden’s own work.

 

Natty: Yes.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah. I don’t like it. I like his other work, his landscape stuff. But I don’t like this at all.

 

Natty: No! No!

 

Aunt Sally: I’m trying to work out is it a chess piece at the top? Is that what it’s supposed to be?

 

Natty: [chuckling] Don’t ask me! Maybe Mark knows [chuckling]? Maybe Greg’s knows?

 

Mark Collett: It’s just madness! It’s just madness! And you see, as much as I’m saying this is madness, as much as I’m not impressed by it in the slightest, it is very Jonathan! Because Jonathan was an eccentric. And I can see this being something that Jonathan would like. And he would see something in this. Whereas for me, I’m not really like that. I’m not wired the same way that he was wired. I don’t really see anything in this. I see it as a bit of a mess.

 

Now I do think there could be a stylized picture of Mussolini that made you feel something. I just don’t think this is it. I mean, maybe I’m getting it wrong. Maybe I’m being uncharitable. I mean, Laura what’s your thoughts on this? Because you said:

 

“Maybe we’re gonna have a bit of an argument about this one.”

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, should we actually have a bit of a fight about it [chuckling]?

 

Mark Collett: Come on then, promote your degenerate art.

 

Laura Towler: [chuckling] I quite like it. I mean, I don’t love it! It’s not the best piece of art I’ve ever seen. But it’s clearly Mussolini. And I think it’s clearly a powerful image. In fact, it looks a bit like Sam. [laughing] Don’t think it looks a bit like Sam, that picture [chuckling]?

 

Mark Collett: So now it’s such a good picture of Mussolini, it kind of looks like your husband! If you’re half squinting!

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. But let’s get Greg’s thoughts on modern art, because he’s our guest, and I’d be interested to hear what he thinks.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, first of all I’m not a huge, huge fan of Jonathan’s paintings. I do own three of them, though. And I’m very fond of the ones that I have. Before I left him. The last time I saw him. We had agreed that I would buy this painting. [chuckling] And he was going to bring it back the next time he came to the United States. And I also made a commission from him. So sadly that was never done.

 

But yeah, let’s just set his work aside. He did do work in visual arts. Some of it I like. Some of it I’m not crazy about. I know what he’s doing, though. It doesn’t just look like bollocks to me. It looks like there’s something going on. I wouldn’t say it’s not art. I would sometimes say, it’s not great art. Put it that way. But some of it I very much like.

 

[35:50]

 

So anyway, the basic point that he makes in the book and I think it’s a valid point, is that in representational art, photography changed everything. Because once it was possible to make pictures, or moving pictures, representation became something that could be done with by machines. And then the question became:

 

“Well, what contribution do artists make?”

 

How can we be creative? How can we do something on canvas, or in ink, and paper, whatever, that is not something that can be replicated by a machine.?

 

And I think it forced people to rethink what art is and to recognize that it’s not just the content, it’s not just representation, it’s also a style, it’s a slant, it’s an interpretation of the world, it’s an expression of something beyond just the objective content of an image.

 

Most of this book, though, is about literary modernism. Which is a whole different thing. And he talks a lot about literary modernists. But he doesn’t really talk about the motives that gave rise to modernism in literature. Which I think is an interesting question. He deals more with modernism in representational art.

 

A lot of the artists he talks about in this volume are people that I really like. I really like Wyndham Lewis. And Wyndham Lewis was not only a superb essayist and an interesting novelist. But he was also I think a superb painter. And if you want to pull up some of the paintings that Wyndham Lewis did, his early sort of futurist type paintings, they’re kind of abstract, or his portraits, I think they’re superb! He was a very talented fellow.

 

Ezra Pound, of course, he did a little bit of music composition, but primarily he was a poet and an essayist. I don’t find his poetry all that musical. I find it hard to get into. But I find his essays to be really interesting. His political writing is very interesting.

 

He talks about TS Eliot. Now that’s a poet that I really like as a poet. He was also an interesting critic, an essayist, and a writer on civilization. And he was a Rightist. And that’s the thing that I think is most valuable about this book. And it’s valuable. About an earlier book that Counter-Currents published by Kerry Bolton, called Artists of the Right, which is just to demonstrate that there’s a false idea that modernism in art is a Left-wing, progressive, thing. And it’s just not true!

 

This is an idea that was promoted primarily post-World War II. Primarily starting in the late 1950s, when you get right down to it. And a lot of it had to do with, believe it, or not, the Cold War, the CIA. The CIA, the American Central Intelligence Agency, got behind the promotion of abstract expressionism, non-representational art.

 

Why? Because they wanted to show that America is a really free, and “with it”, and progressive, and happening place! Unlike those stodgy people behind the Iron Curtain who insisted that paintings be about things, and music be intelligible. And that the masses can enjoy it, right?

 

And so that idea that modernism in art was a Leftist, progressive, thing really sort of some was cemented by a post-war propaganda campaign coming out of the United States. And funded by our tax dollars! Whereas before the war, certainly modernism was just across the board. Something that was happening in literature and the visual arts. And there were great artists in literature, and the visual arts, who were avowed modernists. And he talks about Pound, he talks about Elliott, he talks about WB Yates, who’s somewhat ambiguously related to modernism. But he belongs in this collection. Wyndham Lewis, of course, is in this collection.

 

[40:36]

 

In visual art there was an entire movement of Italian Futurism that did amazingly vital abstract art that was openly aligned with fascism, interestingly enough. And if you want to bring up some images of classics of say Italian Futurism. There’s a guy named Tullio Crali, C-R-A-L-I. I think he’s the greatest of the Italian Futurist painters! This is modernism. But it’s explicitly Rightist modernism. Which is interesting.

 

 

Another of the great 20th century visual artists, who was an open Rightist, was Salvador Dali! Dali was an Ardent Spanish nationalist. He made his peace with the Franco regime. He was quite comfortable there. In his later years he painted gigantic canvases on themes celebrating, for instance, the Spanish discovery of the New World, and the settlement there. He was an openly far-Right figure, which is little-known about his biography. People think:

 

“Well, if he’s painting melting clocks, and things like that, he’s got to be a Right-winger, I mean, a Left-winger! He’s got to be a progressive.”

 

Not so. And so, just to rediscover that before the war, and really before the 1950s, Modernism was not a thing of the Left. It was not identified with progressivism. It was not identified with decadence. In fact, it was identified with Vitalism, which is a very interesting cultural Strand that defines itself precisely as the opposite of decadent! Right? That is something lost to us.

 

And so I think it’s wonderful that revisionist scholarship like the Bolton book, Artists of the Right, and the speeches that Jonathan gave. Most of these speeches in this book were given near the end of his life. He made a point of covering people, like Pound, Elliot, Yates, and so forth, near the end of his life. I think that’s a really important chapter in history that’s been lost.

 

So it’s an embarrassment to Leftists who tend to be mindless, and impossibly smug, people today, to admit that some of the great literary figures of the 20th century who are supposedly part of the Progressive canon, because Modernism embraced, or Progressivism embraced Modernism, after the war. It’s an embarrassment that so many people who can’t be excluded from the Modernist canon really aren’t progressive! In fact, they were they might have been progressive in a certain sense, like the Italian futurists. But they were not Left-wing progressives. Let’s put it that way.

 

Mark Collett: That’s very interesting. Would anyone like to comment on that? Natty? Laura?

 

Natty: Yeah, I just found the Italian futurist, Tullio Crali and brought up some pictures. And I’ve shared one in the screen. If you want to pull that up Mark.

 

 

And you’re right. I mean, Bowden talks about this in speeches. And in the book he actually covers some of the same – if you read it all the way through – some of the same parts of his speeches are reoccurring. And he makes it clear that there are the two focal points of this kind of the movement, especially of these four, or five, gentlemen he’s talking about. Is the First World War and the Second World War, and how things changed after the Second World War. And in the 60s.

 

So yeah, I think Greg makes a good point. I think it’s good to remember that this isn’t the territory of the Left wing, or communism, or whatever. It was actually much more open before that time, after the invention of photography.

 

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Aunt Sally: And this is where the book took me. It took me into looking at the art of all the artists he’s talking about. And even the ones that he didn’t. And that was a good thing for me, because I wasn’t aware of half of this. Now I quite like this image that we’re looking at now. I quite like it even though I’m not a massive fan of modern art. But it took me into, I spent for every hour I spent reading the book, I spent four hours looking at things that related to it. So it was really good for me in that way.

 

And even thinking about Wyndham Lewis, I Googled him and looking at what I said earlier about the rock star thing, they were the rock stars of their day. And he walked around in a sombrero, very tall, quite good-looking fellow. Lived the life of, … I think he was married. But he was having affairs everywhere. He was quite awful for women. It’s just interesting reading about them. And then the book took me off on a tangent, lots of tangents. And the art, there’s lots more that I want to look at through reading this book.

 

Natty: The funny thing is I’ve got in my notes actually about Wyndham Lewis, that if you Google him, one of the first couple of images that comes up, he actually looks like kind of the aesthetic that I’m going for in my avatar here. And that Woes, it kind of immediately reminded me of Millennial Woes when I looked at it! So I mean, if anyone could Google that now. And you’ll see this kind of [chuckling] like a Telegram profile picture, like a Right-winger profile picture from Telegram. It’s quite interesting. And this is a guy who was around, you know, 100 years ago.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, he died in the 1950s, so.

 

Natty: Yeah. So the aesthetics. And that the, I don’t know, obviously something is carried over. It’s not, in the same way that going off on a tangent, that Henry Ford understood. A lot of things that were repeated now, you know, 100 years ago, that he was bang on the money with. That this desire for a certain aesthetic was around then, as it is now.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah. It’s interesting. And there’s a lot that you can take from this in terms of inspiration. And one of the reasons why I published the two volumes of Bolton. One is called Artists of the Right. And the other has the scintillating title, More Artists of the Right. I came up with the title. I’m not blaming that [chuckling] on Bolton. It’s simply to provide examples for people who are in our sphere of great artists, because I would like to encourage our, an artistic renaissance, right.

 

I’d like to have more Rightist artists who are upholding our values, and putting them across in really striking ways! So we can learn a lot from these people. They’re great, great figures to be emulated.

 

So, and I’m glad that Sally’s [chuckling] just furiously googling [chuckling], right! That’s one of the reasons why I did this book. It’s mind expanding! It’s mind expanding to hear about all these figures that have been either forgotten about, or hidden, or covered up, or just talked about in a very much revisionist way. Because of the post-war consensus, that’s the sort of permafrost, that we have to dig our way through to find all these interesting frozen mammoths underneath.

 

Natty: Mark, I’ve shared, I’ve shared a picture of Wyndham Lewis. So if you bring that up the audience can tell me. Tell me Woes isn’t channeling this guy! [chuckling] right! I don’t know if anyone else can see that. But yeah! That was my first, …

 

 

Greg Johnson: Coca-Cola, and a blue bathrobe!

 

Natty: [laughing] Yeah, straight up! Yeah. I was, in fact, going back to your the point you just made. You said that we need to bring these people out. And there are people like this who exist at the moment, right. But one of the, I think halfway through one of the speeches in the book, I was going to ask you a question that basically our pressing need. And the fact that the dissident Right and whatever you call this kind of movement, where we are now, we’re so pressed. And so hounded, that the art, or the art that’s coming out of this Right-wing space.

 

And I know there are artists, there’s Hireath, there’s Patriarch. And all these people who are making great art on our side of things, are less prominent than the kind of political speakers. And people who can kind of make sense of what’s going on, and react to the politics of the day. And that’s one of the reasons why although these people do exist, they’re less prominent. If that makes sense as a question, I’ll put that to you.

 

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Greg Johnson: Well, I think that we have our own media now. And it would be nice to make these people more present. We have to do that. In the past these people were more mainstream, there’s no question about it. We can build on the fact that they were so mainstream. We can build on the fact that WBA, …

 

Mark Collett: You can say that. I just the want to say, as a counter to what you are saying. Like I really enjoy pushing, we heavily push artists, musicians, etc., anyone that produces music, or art that comes to us, we push it. But generally within our community, I find that is one of the things that is least taken up by the community as a whole.

 

So we have people now who are producing nationalist computer games, producing nationalist art, like the Patriart, producing wonderful nationalist music, like Haireth, and many other people. And I’ve done shows with the White Art Collective, with the Patriotic Arts Community, which is our version of that here in the UK. And those streams don’t seem to be as well received in terms of numbers of viewers, as say other streams.

 

And I’m not saying that we should dump the art, or anything like that. But how would we get more people into that. How can we get, … Because I do think it would be great for us to capture these sort of fields. I think it would be wonderful if we could make fantastic computer games, if we could make fantastic short films, beautiful music. If we could paint inspiring pictures, produce digital art that captured the imagination.

 

I think all of those things are very, very important. But that does seem to be a lower uptake. And I think it’s important that we do these things, because we need to create our own true counter culture that serves our people. So that we aren’t as tied to the system. So we’re not consuming the system’s version of this art.

 

Natty: I think it’s, I genuinely think it’s what I described. That the system that we live under makes so little sense, and is such a inversion of the natural order, that we crave for those of us who aren’t deep thinkers, and have other things going on lives, we crave just people who make sense of it. And can order things. And that mostly comes in the form of, like the Right wing thinkers, like Morgoth, or like your short videos Mark, where you just rip into the Tory Party, or some political event that’s happened that week, or something like that.

 

So people given everything else, and we’re bombarded with just lies all the time, it’s more important for people who like us find themselves under the boot of this system that makes absolutely no sense, is that some like an abstract art, or a song with a kind of subtle anti-system message is less important than someone who’s just going to say:

 

“This is why Ukraine is such a load of nonsense. This is why Monkeypox is such a load of nonsense. This is why they’re doing this on Covid.”

 

I think if we weren’t so hemmed in, if we weren’t so pressed on all sides, I think as we gain traction – if that ever happens as we expand – that desire to, I don’t know, to kind of show our show our victories in art would become more persistent, and more front and centre. If that makes sense.

 

Greg Johnson: I think the best fusion that we have of visual art and political commentary is the “meme”. And we do the best memes! Nobody beats the memes coming from our political sphere. And that is a kind of art! And there’s a lot of talent that goes into that. A lot of time goes into creating some of these. And I don’t think it should be disdained.

 

I want there to be more musicians. Definitely we need more musicians. We need more people writing novels. I swear once a week somebody sends me a novel that [chuckling] sort of like the Turner Diaries! At least once a week I get something like that, ….

 

 

[55:04]

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, you joke about that. But we have had some, … Okay, I’ll give you another one. The biz-archives. We did the biz-archives, Volume One here. Where these nationalists have come together and produced these sort of Pulp Fiction style, short stories, horror stories. And I think they’re great.

 

And if you’re talking about art as well, and you’re talking about some modern art. If you look at sort of fascist, or nationalist, World War II recruitment posters, I suppose there was a modernist twist to those as well. And I do think some of those were quite striking so I do see where you’re coming from in the fact that a certain strand of modern art is associated with nationalism. And I think we can do something like this.

 

But one thing you sort of bothered me then, sort of Natty laughed, you said that you get a deluge of books which are sort of like a bargain basement Turner Diaries. But that’s something that I do find quite worrying. That if we were to produce art, or books, we would express ourselves in such a way. And we laughed about that. But I do find that sort of genuinely quite worrying.

 

Greg Johnson: Well the point is that people are trying, and that seems to be the model [chuckling] that a lot of people go to! They want to do their race war novel! And I think as a genre that’s a little overplayed. And it would be cool if people would write other kinds of fiction, that doesn’t [chuckling] involve extensive descriptions of weapons, [chuckling] and explosions, and stuff like that. So yeah, there’s more work to be done.

 

Basically one of the ways that I like to describe the project of Counter-Currents, is that Counter-Currents is about everything from our point of view. And it’s about the whole tradition, the whole tradition of the West. Because ultimately we’re the only legitimate heirs for the whole tradition.

 

And these nitwits who are running our societies are basically they are bound and determined by their own principles whether they know it, or not, to liquidate our entire tradition, our entire civilization! Which they’re busily working on. We’re the only people who are the legitimate heirs of this. We’re the only people who will take care of it. And we’re the only people who can carry it forward.

 

And that means that every kind of fiction, every genre of novel, mystery novels. Mystery novels about horse racing [chuckling]! Romance novels! Every possible genre, young adult fiction, sci-fi, everything is ours for the taking! We’re the legitimate heirs. Our stamp can be put on everything. And we need to go out there and take it. And it would be good for people who want to explore writing fiction to say:

 

“Okay, well why not do sci-fi? Not another Turner Diaries. Let’s do sci-fi. Let’s do, …”

 

Natty: Greg, you know, you end up with just the sci-fi version of the Turner diary, set 200 years in the future! [chuckling] Right!

 

Greg Johnson: Well that’s why I’m worried about that a little bit. And there’s no question about that. How about Romance novels? Bodice rippers, right? We need to take the whole culture back!

 

Mark Collett: I’d like to see something positive! I’d like to see, you know, something that was maybe a vision of Western man conquering the stars, in like a futuristic version of the Roman Empire, going out there and taking Western civilization to a new level.

 

I do think one of the things that marrs the nationalist expression of our artistic souls. Is that often we express ourselves in a negative way. And joking aside, you know, obviously the Turner Diaries, it is negative. I mean, it’s a notorious book. But it is very, very negative. And it’s steeped in the sort of things that if you put your heart and soul into those things you probably are going to come out the other side, not in the best way. It’ll drag you down that kind of negativity.

 

But I do think that there is a way for us to express ourselves in a very positive manner through art. And I think one thing that art should be, if produced for our cause, is something that should be uplifting. It’s something that should make you feel like you want to get involved in the cause. That you want to do more for the cause.

 

And we’ve mentioned him tonight, the Patriarch. I mean, he doesn’t get really a lot of, a huge amount of praise. I mean, we praise him! We have him on our shows. But his digital art is absolutely fantastic! And he did a piece of art for St George’s Day. It was absolutely stunning!

 

And I think things like, that are uplifting, could actually be something that is not only art, but is a vital tool in our arsenal to promote ourselves. Because I think art can bring people into the cause. It can raise people’s spirits. It can be something that inspires people to do more. I think art doesn’t just have the function of being beautiful, or being there to be aesthetically pleasing, or to hang on a wall, and look at occasionally. It can be something that spurs men on to do greater things. And men that aren’t necessarily artistic themselves.

 

[61:01]

 

Greg Johnson: One thing that’s happened in recent years is that art has become so tendentious and politically correct, that you’re almost a reactionary, and you’re judged as a reactionary, simply for telling a straightforward story without sticking some blatant messaging in there. I’m thinking about The Northman, which I saw last week, and talked about with Gregory Hood last night. People are criticizing this, because it’s a movie about Vikings that doesn’t have any woke messaging in it.

 

 

Well, because how could you get woke messaging in a movie about Vikings, right? [chuckling]. I mean, that’s now considered reactionary! So at a certain point just any good story becomes subversive of the current paradigm it doesn’t even have to have a political message. A good story that doesn’t have a political message is now a political message! It’s now being politicized and being decried.

 

So folks, if you just love to tell stories and you’re good at it and want to be hugely successful, just do stories that don’t put up a particular point of view. And they’ll denounce you as a reactionary anyway, at this point!

 

Natty: I was going to say, the books that we, …. I mean, we’re all roughly of an age here, some of us are slightly older than others, but the books that we read as kids growing up. I remember one series of books called the Puddle Lane. This might be before, or after some of your times. And some of you may have read this. I kind of imagine that maybe Mark I think you’re a little bit older than me. Laura, roughly I think you’re the same age as me. But these Puddle Lane books were fantastic. And they’re kind of magical, very like European folktalesly kind of books. There were dragons in them and wooden boys who got made real, and magicians, and all this other stuff.

 

But to be released today you would never find those books! And I know we talked about this last month about the folktales book that we reviewed. You would never find them on the bookshelves in Waterstones, or Amazon, or anywhere. the types of books you’re going to see when you go in there. So Greg’s right. It would be subversive to the current system to produce a book with just White people in it, and no other messaging whatsoever!

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah a book where Heather has a mommy and a daddy!

 

Natty: Yes, yeah, exactly! [chuckling]

 

Greg Johnson: Subversive.

 

Natty: Yeah, there’s I’ve got nieces and nephews. And there’s a series called JoJo & Gran Gran. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe I’ve got the name wrong. But it’s about like a young black girl with like a black grandmother. And it doesn’t, it never explains where her mom is, or her dad is, or anything like this. It’s like, why is this. Now the thing? Why is this a norm? Like fair enough people may find themselves in that situation. But that’s not something that shouldn’t be the norm to be aspired to.

 

Laura Towler: I’ve seen that, yeah, is it JoJo & Gran Gran, or something? My niece was watching it on TV the other day. And I went to read it to see if the person who wrote it belonged to a certain ethnic group. I think it’s written by a black woman. And they make like a really conscious effort to get diversity in there. So like when the kid gets on the bus with her grandma the bus driver will be like a woman wearing a burqa, instead of just a White man, like it normally is. And it’s just so off-putting, because everything just seems the opposite of what it should be.

 

But it’s one of those ones where they just really try to make everything like pro-feminism and pro-immigration and they went to a museum actually in the episode that I watched. And I would say that probably about 75 percent of the cartoon characters that were drawn in it were non-White. It’s just crazy! It’s just mental!

 

But it’s all this subliminal stuff that they’re showing kids in that. They’ll grow up now thinking:

 

“Oh that’s what it’s like.”

 

And obviously it’s not. Yet.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I just, look I gotta jump in here, because obviously Sophia’s at the age where these books sort of attempt to weasel their way into our house. And we’ve had the old free book given to her which I’ve swiftly put into the recycling bin, because they are such trash!

 

And Laura made a really important point and I want other people [chuckling] to comment on this because. This is something that I just think is sort of it makes me roll my eyes. But it is also enraging! It’s also a complete and not a joke! You will have, like you say, diversity pushed into the book. So at least 50% of the people on every page, usually pushing two-thirds, will be non-White.

 

But the non-Whites will be pushed into roles that they typically wouldn’t have. So you’ll see like a bus with children going past a building site. And like you say there’ll be a woman in a burqa with a hi-vis vest, you know, applying cement with a trowel, building a house. And you’re thinking:

 

“I have never in my life seen a woman on a building site with a trowel and cement, let alone a woman in a burqa on a building site with a trowel and cement!”

 

And is it just me, or are these things pushed to the point of parody, and absurdity? Like, if I was doing a parody book about multiculturalism, aiming to mock and deride multiculturalism, and mock and deride, the way it’s pushed into every facet of our lives, I would have a woman in a burqa on a building site, next to a builder with his butt crack out, both of them applying cement. And you’d see reality juxtaposed with this multicultural fantasy, for the laughs! But then you actually read these children’s books. And that is how absurd it is. Is this just me, or are you guys seeing this stuff too?

 

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Natty: You wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between your parody and the real thing, I’m afraid Mark.

 

Mark Collett: And I do think. I mean, we’re saying here obviously one of Bowden’s thing here is you shouldn’t hold on to the past. That modernism isn’t necessarily bad but something that Greg said at the beginning of the show about archiving. Well I’ll tell you this. Now, I do believe in archiving.

 

And I would urge anyone out there, if you have small children, or if you have children who have small children, or if you have brothers and sisters who have small children, or if you’re part of a community where small children are around, get yourself down to charity shops get yourself on Ebay, and archive old books, like the Puddle Lane books, Rupert the Bear, Wind in the Willows, Noddy, all of these wonderful old books. The Ladybug classics with things like Town Mouse Meets Country Mouse.

 

All of these books which were at one point a staple of sort of children’s education, learning, and also enjoyment, look after these things, because all of these are going down the memory hole! I don’t know if anyone wants to comment on that.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. I think that’s why, I think it was you Mark that said at the start, that having Bowden’s words written down instead of listening to him speak it’s not the same. And I agree with you. It’s not the same as watching him live which I never had the opportunity to do while just watching, or listening to one of his speeches that were recorded.

 

But with a book that can never take that away from you. You’ve got it forever. Even if you had to say like a video recording, or a DVD recording. One day they could turn your electricity off, or something could happen so that you couldn’t watch it again. But with a book it’s yours to own forever. It’s immortal really.

 

So I do think it is important to get these things written down. And also preserve old books as well. And we’ve got Claremore books as well, haven’t we at PA. They’re reprinting some books that are old, or books that are unobtainable nowadays. So that we have a hard copy of them.

 

But yeah, it’s why, you know, organizations like Counter-Currents are so important, because they’re doing such fantastic work.

 

Mark Collett: So shall we get back to Bowden’s books? Because Natty I really feel that we’re doing ourselves a disservice here if you’re not doing most of the speaking, because you did say you’ve got more notes on this one book than you have on any other book that we’ve reviewed.

 

So what were your other thoughts, getting back to the main topic in hand, which is this particular book? What are the notes have you got? What other things did you find important to take away from this work?

 

Natty: So the thing is. I mean, one of the problems we’ve got is that I would be questioning. I mean, these notes here really should be answered by Bowden. But seeing as how you knew Bowden, and Greg you’ve probably spent more time putting this together, you probably will be good, these will be good for discussion.

 

Firstly, presumably. And I think you touched on this Greg at the beginning. There’s loads more Jonathan Bowden stuff that could be compiled into other books. So, for instance, this is Bowden on Reactionary Modernism in art. But presumably there’s more that you could collate into like books by Bowden, or Bowden speeches about certain other subjects. Am I right in thinking that?

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, absolutely! I’ve done four volumes now. The first one’s called Pulp Fascism. It’s about basically Rightist themes in popular fiction, including comic books, and graphic novels, and pulp novels.

 

 

Then the second. One is called Western Civilization Bites Back. And those are speeches that deal more with the moral malaise at the heart of White decline.

 

 

The third one is called Extremists. And it’s portraits of extremist figures, Julius Evola, Enuzio [sp] who could have gone into this volume as another modernist reactionary writer. Savitri Devi, Yukio Mishima, another modernist writer who could have gone in this collection too.

 

So I put this together, because well it just made sense to group things under that rubric that he did. And the next volume I’m going to do is sort of a miscellany. I’m having trouble coming up with like a single theme. So I’m just gonna call it, The Cultured Thug. Which is a phrase that he used. And it’ll be just a collection of speeches and essays that I haven’t been able to [chuckling] fit into other categories! And then there’s a whole bunch of political speeches out there. And another book’s worth of interviews, too.

 

So I think in the end I will publish seven volumes of Bowden. Maybe eight if more political speeches come to light. Because I kind of don’t want to publish like a book up close to 400 pages. It’s just too big a read. So I might break up the political speeches into a couple more manageable volumes. But there’s a lot more out there.

 

And I’m hoping that things will come to light. A few years ago more, some lectures came to light that I was delighted to get. So I think there’s still a few other things out there by Jonathan, recordings that we might get our hands on. He worked with a number of different people that I’ve had difficulty tracking down. And so as some of these people turn up, or some of these people finally respond to me, I think more stuff will definitely come to light.

 

Natty: Good stuff! Good stuff. Well, I’ve got I think this is probably going to open it up. But this is one of these things where someone kind of reaches out from the past, although not the too distant past, and talks about themes that we know today. And I’m going to see if we can guess this. I’m going to read a passage. But in this part of the book Bowden’s speech is, he’s talking about TS Eliot. And he’s saying that the ideas that pervade today what we loosely define as wokeness, or Cultural Marxism, political correctness, were spoken about in tiny little groups, you know, tiny meetings of kind of dissident, or outcasts from the mainstream, you know, 100 years, or so, ago, or even more. That now pervade the culture. And how the reverse is now true. Where we’re the ones talking about our ideas in tiny little groups.

 

I’m going to read this. He’s talking about this. He says, … This is Bowden talking now. He says:

 

“These tiny little groups said to almost recognize each other with strange little handshakes and little nods, winks, and so on. You have to remember the pressure these people were under psychologically in the 1920s and 30s, …”

 

Obviously fascism’s on the rise:

 

“Everything that they liked was detested by the mainstream. They are in favour of atheism. They are in favour of dehumanization. They favoured it in a different way, because mass immigration hadn’t come about then. But they were in favour of various forms of multiculturalism as it would have been defined in that era. They are in favour of homosexuality. They’re in favour of the decline of the marriage bond. They’re in favour of alternative lifestyles and relationships as a norm. They’re in favour of drug usage and it’s privatization, if you like, in terms of a moral space. They’re in favour of all of the things which have come to pass, with the possible exception of euthanasia.”

 

That was Jonathan Bowden. And I would add to that they were also in favour of some of the things that are coming to pass, of paedophilia as well, because that’s one of the things that’s now everything that Jonathan Bowden says that these people are in favour of that were repressed in the 20s and 30s, have now come to pass. And are now just completely mainstream.

 

And euthanasia is, I mean, it’s being discussed now as well. You can go to Switzerland and get yourself killed. But presumably if they can’t crack the paedophilia issue, that might be one of the next areas they could move on to and break open as like a cultural, like another crack in the culture of Western civilization.

 

What do you guys think of that?

 

Greg Johnson: Well I think the reason why he tells that story is to give us hope. Because these people started out with mutterings in tiny rooms, and tiny low circulation journals. Things like that. Organizing groups of marginal people. It seemed like a hopeless, thankless, task. It seemed like they were up against a massive, unbending, establishment that was against them. And yet a hundred years later they are dominant! Their values have won out.

 

And if they can do it, we can do it! That’s the point he’s making. If they can do it, we can do it. And we can do it in the same way. And it’s an argument for our long march through the institutions. His argument for us taking art, and philosophy, and political theory, and meta-politics in general, very, very seriously! Not just thinking that:

 

“Oh dear! There are 12 of us. We’re doomed!”

 

No! There are 12 of us, the world is ours! Right? Just think what Jesus Christ did with 12 people, one of whom betrayed him [chuckling] right? That’s the attitude that one has to have. Things start small. The longest journey begins with a single step. World revolutionizing movements begin with tiny groups of people speaking in taverns, in meeting rooms, or now on the internet. And we’re doing the right thing, in other words and we should be of good cheer, and have hope that this is going to produce results!

 

And indeed it’s produced amazing results just in the past few years. Just think about the fact that the Great Replacement has gone mainstream. That’s huge! Pushing back against Critical Race Theory has gone mainstream. This is the stuff that we were talking about, out on the margins, only a few years ago. And now it’s gone mainstream. So we just need to keep doing what we’re doing. And eventually we’re going to win!

 

Mark Collett: Can I ask Natty. Did you say there that you think their next big push will be to normalize paedophilia?

 

Natty: Well, yeah. I mean, they’re already pushing for this. I mean, I don’t have anything prepared here, but at a cursory glance through Telegram, or if anyone’s active on Telegram. There are, in fact, Mark I think you shared something a few weeks ago of an ethnic Professor talking about this. And it seems to me that there are certain, not exactly mainstream publications, fringe publications that are stopping using the word “paedophilia”, and are starting using MAP, which is Minor Attracted Person, in order to soften this and try and link it with the LGBT

 

Mark Collett: Yeah! And they also have another one as well called N-O-M-A-P, which is Non-Offending Minor Attracted Person. So what they’re trying to do as well, is say that here are people that are attracted to minors. And here are, almost trying to say there’s a good group of those people, because they are, you know, “non-offending”, or “non-practicing”. And they’ve taken this vow of celibacy. But they’re not rapists!

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, we should congratulate them, and give them gold stars, because they’re not rapists!

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, and this, …

 

Greg Johnson: Pat on the back please!

 

Natty: I’ve got gold stars for them [Laughter]!

 

Greg Johnson: Oh dear! I didn’t mean it in that precise way! Literally no pun intended!

 

Mark Collett: No. I mean, I find this a horrific thing to be talking about. What we’re talking about here is a group of people who are fundamentally paedophiles. That’s what they are. Paedophiles! They are absolutely 110 percent, you know, sick, you know, degenerate, vile, horrid, people who are basically preying on children. That is exactly what we have! And this is being normalized! This is being turned into another sexual preference. But it won’t end here.

 

There is also a movement as well to normalize bestiality. There’s also a movement in place that seeks to normalize sex with animals, and try to claim that it can be consensual. There is a movement to do that.

 

And I think these are two of the final big taboos that they want to knock down. And they’re already trying to frame, … It’s a fact! It’s funny you talk about this, because when I first started making my informative, little short snappy videos, one of the earliest ones I did and it eventually got banned off YouTube, before my whole channel got terminated.

 

But it was about the link between the LGBT movement and paedophilia. And how one would inevitably lead to the other. Because the argument for LGBT rights is exactly the same argument that will be used for the rights of people who want to carry out acts of bestiality, animal abuse, or child abuse. Because the fundamental underlying argument that normalizes the LGBT movement is that:

 

“People can’t help how they feel!”

 

And that if you can’t help how you feel, then expressing how you feel, can’t be wrong either. Because you can’t criminalize something that people can’t help. So, …

 

Greg Johnson: But yes, you can. I mean, the big difference is that people say well look it’s between consenting adults right. That’s the kind of libertarian argument for consensual same-sex relationships. Consensual same-sex relationships are between consenting adults. You can’t have that with animals. And you can’t have that with kids. So that crosses a line.

 

Mark Collett: No, no. This is where you misunderstand it. Now this is where you’re misunderstanding Greg. The first step towards this will be, okay. So the other party can’t consent. But we live in a day and age where virtual material, computer generated material, can be produced, where nobody is harmed. That will be the first step.

 

And the second step towards this. And you should have seen this, everyone should have seen this coming, is we are already seeing in schools – there’s 240 schools primary schools in Britain that are already teaching what they call self-stimulation – which is teaching children to masturbate, which is sickening.

 

And they already are teaching these children the fundamentals of “consent”. Now that’s a very odd thing to be teaching a child, isn’t it? The fundamentals of consent. But I believe that they’re teaching these children in inverted commas “the fundamentals of consent”, because eventually they hope to be able to say that children can consent, and legalize something, which is absolutely demonic!

 

And I think what also goes hand in hand with what I’m saying, what is also part of this agenda, is the trans agenda. Because what you have here we have a country where it is illegal to drive until you’re 17. It is illegal to buy, or consume alcohol until you’re 18. It is illegal to have any form of sex until you’re 16.

 

But, you can now decide that you want to transition your gender. You want to change your gender! You want to have life-changing irreversible surgery at any age! And I believe all this is leading to some inverted commas “experts” saying that children can indeed consent.

 

And I believe they are moving rapidly already towards this. And what Natty said was extremely wise, because what Natty was saying, is that they are already in the rebranding phase. And we see these rebranding phases hitting everything.

 

So we’ve seen multiple rebrandings of migration. You’ve got migrants, illegal immigrants. But now you call them “undocumented people”. And it’s constantly softening the terms you use to make people accept something more. So calling these people MAPs, or NOMAPs, is a way to soften public perception. To create a fluffy term around something which couldn’t be less fluffy. There couldn’t be more sickening, that couldn’t be more unconscionable, that couldn’t be more stomach churning and evil!

 

But they want to rebrand this. So fundamentally people will see it as another sexual preference, as another part of that rainbow alphabet, which already has a 196 genders! And all of these other different colours, and names. It’s very sinister. But it’s happening.

 

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Greg Johnson: Yeah here’s the thing. I think that this might be the undoing of the progressive agenda though. In the sense that the transsexual stuff is so patently insane that it’s causing cracks in the Left political blocs, the Left political coalitions. This is certainly true in the United States, where people of colour, blacks and Hispanics, and so forth, used to be very reliable votes for the Left block. And now this trans stuff is being pushed so heavily that some of them are in rebellion against that.

 

So the trans stuff is patently insane! The paedophilia stuff is threatening people’s kids. Maybe I’m being optimistic. I mean, how many people just allow their kids to be basically abused psychologically, abused and tormented, for decades. So maybe they won’t snap at paedophilia? I don’t know! But I do think that they’re, …

 

Mark Collett: What do you mean, maybe they won’t snap? These are the same people that are taking their children to Drag Queens’ Story Hour. These are the same people who will sit, …

 

Greg Johnson: Oh look! I mean, these are shit-libs. I’m talking about the general normie public here.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, but the problem with the general normie public, is the general normal public are herded by the people you call shit-libs.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Because the general normie public are the ones that if they see two gay men fondling each other, semi-naked gay men fondling each other in the street at the gay pride parade, it will turn their stomachs. But because the shit-libs, as you call them, will say:

 

“Speaking out against that makes you homophobic!”

 

People keep their heads down and walk on. And my concern is that as time goes by. And as we see this progression, what we’re going to end up seeing here guys is some term coming into existence. Sort of whether it would be “pedophobic”. I don’t know, or something like that. And this will be applied as a pejorative, which will scare people away from ultimately speaking out against something, that everyone should be speaking out against!

 

I mean, that has happened. That’s why you go to these gay pride events. And I don’t go to them. But you see footage from these gay pride events, where you have grown men walking down the street with their bits hanging out, parading their partner who’s dressed as a dog, down the street! And this isn’t seen as something that you should call the police. If you called the police and said:

 

“Look there’s an indecent act taking place in the middle of my High Street, the police should turn up and arrest you!

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, [chuckling] I think that maybe we need a movement to shame “rapophobes”, right? Rapophobia is one of the great irrational fears of our time! And we need a movement to shame that. I mean, you’re right people are being pushed by these people. The question is will they continue to be pushed forever, or will there be pushback? I think this is a great opportunity for pushing back. And I think there’s been a lot of success in pushing back against this. And I do think that there are cracks building in the Left-wing coalition, because of stuff like this.

 

Because the people who are in the establishment, can’t say no to these crazies, right? So we have Admiral Rachel Levine, now, in the United States! That’s not his real name! [chuckling] He’s not a Rachel!

 

But anyway, yeah. So but let’s go back to Bowden, because I’m wondering are there folks out there in radio land who have questions and maybe Superchats connected, …

 

Mark Collett: There’s only two Superchats. There’s only Superchats tonight. So we will read them. The first is from Reed Johnson who gave ten dollars. Thank you so much. He said:

 

“When you’re so buzzed on a streaming day, it’s exercise live stream, then continue exercising. PA and Counter-Currents together again. The pride of the Right as it should be.”

 

Well, thank you so much for your kind Superchat. And we have one more from Gaddius Maximus, who gives 10 US dollars. And he says:

 

“What is the panel’s favourite recorded Bowden speech?”

 

And I’ll start with you Natty.

 

Natty: I don’t actually know what the speech is called. But there’s a fantastic video that did the rounds a couple of years ago made by Nativist Concern, who I think still does the film reviews for PA. In which Nativist Concern has put together a series of clips of traditional masculinity, heroism, European excellence. There’s kind of long distance cyclists in there. There’s marching British soldiers on parade with all the brass, you know, helmets and buttons and everything polished, looking fantastic.

 

Which actually Bowden talks about in the final bit of this book, in regards to Turner and the return to kind of classical art. Where instead of promoting being a loser and a degenerate, you’re promoting the ideal man. You know, strength, beauty, the perfect aesthetic, basically. And overlaid in this video that Nativist made is a Jonathan Bowden speech that ends with:

 

“We can be great again!”

 

And it’s fantastic! And the way, … I guess I’m giving more praise to Nativist Concern here, than Bowden. But that’s my favourite speech, and I duck back to that video every so often. I’ll try and find the link for it as we go around the group, anyway.

 

Mark Collett: Laura have you listened to any Bowden speeches?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, well, I’ve read more than I’ve listened to. I read them on Counter-Currents when they’re transcribed on there. I think my favourite, I like the ones that he does at the BNP meetings where he just kind of critiques the current government. And I think there’s one called The Failure of Liberalism, or something like that, that I particularly enjoyed.

 

And I’ve also listened to one where he was talking about the education system and how it’s very liberal. And it’s quite dangerous to be a Right-wing, or a nationalist Professor in the universities and stuff like that. I enjoyed that one. But I don’t know what it’s called.

 

And I’ve seen the Nativist video, as well, that Natty just mentioned. And that is very good.

 

 

Natty: I think it’s called Liberalism is Moral Syphilis, if anyone wants to look it up. I think it’s on Odysee.

 

Aunt Sally: I’ve watched a few of his speeches and I can’t think of which one. But is it him that said:

 

“What did they die for?”

 

That one to me is the one that sticks in my head. Those words stick in my head. [words unclear]

 

Mark Collett: I can’t hear what you’re saying at all. And we’re getting really bad feedback from you as well. Could you come a bit closer to the mic?

 

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Aunt Sally: Okay, is that any better?

 

Mark Collett: That’s much better.

 

Aunt Sally: I’m sorry about this. Yeah is it him that said:

 

“What did they die for?”

 

Was it Bowden? Was it one of his speeches?

 

Mark Collett: I’m not sure.

 

Aunt Sally: I think it was. I’ve seen it somewhere. It’s talking about the soldiers in the war and saying:

 

“What did they die for? What was the point? What did they die for?”

 

And that one stuck in my head. I think it was him.

 

Greg Johnson: My favourite Bowden recordings are one called Credo: A Nietzschean Testament. It’s unfortunate that the audio quality isn’t great. But it’s an amazing talk! And another favourite of mine is Western Civilization Bites Back, which I had the pleasure of actually attending. And both of those are in a volume that I edited called Western Civilization Bites Back, of Bowden’s talks.

 

And the thread that joins them all together is basically how they deal with, … Basically it’s the moral problem that’s behind Western decline. We can’t take our own side anymore! [chuckling] We’ve been told to despise ourselves. We’ve been taught self-hatred, and self-doubt, and things like that. And how we need to get over that. So that’s a very, very good collection of essays. And some of his most inspirational talks.

 

Mark Collett: Well my favourite speech, is a very different one. It was after the demise of the BNP, Jonathan Bowden gave, … Well the BNP’s still going, what’s left of it. Jonathan Bowden gave a scathing kind of assessment of why the British National Party went down. And I think the speech was actually. I don’t even know if it’s still on YouTube.

 

 

When it was on YouTube it was actually time this is how long it must have been uploaded to YouTube, because it was actually in multiple parts. So originally YouTube, you could only put up sort of videos that were about either 10, or 15 minutes long. And people who wanted to upload longer videos, you’d sort of have, so and so’s speech part one of three, or one of four, or something. And I think this was in multiple parts. And I liked that speech, because I remember Jonathan going around the country as the BNP was declining.

 

And Jonathan was someone who spoke out about the problems the BNP were facing. He was very, very anti the man who was in charge of the party. And he had some very, very interesting takes, and some very humourous takes. And his eccentricities came through during those speeches. But it also showed a sort of different side of Bowden, because Bowden was somebody who had some great takes on certain things which were, how can I say it, very “academic”. But he also was quite a sharp political thinker, an organizer.

 

And he was one of those people that actually could apply himself to the real world. He wasn’t just an academic. Many academics are quite out of touch with reality, but he wasn’t. And I did enjoy those speeches. And it takes me back to a time, probably about a decade, or so, ago now. Maybe just over a decade ago, when things have taken a turn for the worst in the party. But there were quite a few people fighting back against that. And Jonathan was one of those.

 

And Jonathan also, regardless of the fortunes of nationalism at the time, … Because nationalism’s fortunes have ebbed and flowed over a period of time. Obviously we have ups and downs. I mean, you only have to look at the number of viewers that my small shows get. They go up and down! They go up and down. And you have something like the summer of BLM and your streams are being watched by thousands and thousands more people, than they would be if you have a time like now, where unfortunately I feel that at the moment post Covid, there seems to have been quite a few people who were new to the movement, were enjoying everything during Covid. But now life’s gone a bit more back to normal. And there’s no real big single issue dominating the papers that directly affects people along racial, or ethnic lines. People sort of drift off a little bit.

 

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And Jonathan was one of those people who never drifted off! Jonathan was one of those people who rode the waves. He was there when you’re at the peak of a crest, riding it all the way. But when the wind wasn’t blowing as much and you’re in the doldrums, and you were sort of becalmed, as it were, Jonathan would be there on the ship. And he would still be chirpy. He would still be upbeat. He’d still have a good perspective on something.

 

And those speeches to me were quite indicative him as a man. He was a guy that never gave up his nationalism! He never gave up on this cause! He never gave up on his people! Nationalism was his life, for good, for bad, for better, for worse! He was in it for the long haul!

 

And as so many people have come into our ranks and left over say the last five, or six years, especially post-trump, Jonathan was a man that lived this. And his contribution should be kept alive today. And that’s why it’s good we’re talking about him.

 

But those speeches to me were very important, because obviously I was part of the British National Party. So yeah, I really enjoyed those.

 

We’ve got another Superchat here. This is from Trish 65-535. And she gave 14 pounds. Thank you so much Trish. She said:

 

“Sorry late to the party. But what I’ve heard is based. Thanks.”

 

Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much. And remember. If you want to ask any non-paid questions, people can ask non-paid questions as well through the Entropy chat. So if you want to do that feel free to. Obviously we are having a bit of a, this is sort of gone a bit off piste at different times.

 

I definitely would like to get Natty on an actual PWR again sometime soon. I definitely would enjoy a, maybe a whole stream, talking about the way this sexual revolution has led to the madness we’ve got on to. But obviously tonight’s not the place for that.

 

So before we go and do our final round ups, because there’s only about 15 minutes, or so of the stream left, is there anything anyone who’s read the book would like to bring up now? Is there anything additional that people would like to bring up, now?

 

Natty: I’ve got one more section of the book I want to read and get your takes on. So I don’t want to spin it off for too long. So if anyone else has anything, then we’ll do that first. But I’ll let anyone else go first, if they want to.

 

Mark Collett: No, no, no! You seem to be the man who’s got the most notes. So take the floor my friend.

 

Natty: Okay, so in his speech about TS Eliot, he talks about, I’m paraphrasing here. But he says, Jonathan Bowden says:

 

“It amazes me how when Margaret Thatcher took power the National Theatre put on a show called, The Unkindest Cut of All, in which Thatcher basically gets executed.”

 

And the Tories who were at that time this mean, nasty, Right-wing party, allowed this to happen. This kind of show where Thatcher gets executed. Which kind of is reminiscent of, … I don’t know if you remember this a couple of years ago, Kathy Griffin got in trouble for holding up the severed head of Trump. Although I don’t know if she did get in trouble, maybe she didn’t. But in response to this kind of happening, Bowden says:

 

“The Tories are completely culturally witless, except in private life, where you have often highly nuanced and educated men of Alan Clarke type. Although he was unusual in all sorts of ways and a cultural gap like that. But there is a degree to which the Tories have never understood what the enemy is, and who the enemy is. They’ve never understood how you engage in cultural struggle. They’ve never understood the importance of culture. Only the Left and the extreme right understand the importance of cultural struggle. The liberal centre has inherited the extreme left partiality for it.”

 

Now obviously Bowden died in 2012. We’ve seen, and I know that we’ve spent a lot of time talking about this recently. How the Tories aren’t just witless, kind of victims of this push to progressivism. How they’ve basically imported millions and millions of “refugees”.

 

And they’ve been party to basically this cultural decline in this country, despite a few good men still being in the Tory Party. Most of them have been kicked out. I can’t remember his name now. But there was a famous one recently, Roger Scrutton. That’s what I’m thinking of there were people like Roger Scrutton, who were the last vestiges of kind of this old school conservatism, who have now gone completely away, replaced by people like Boris Johnson, David Cameron, who stand for nothing, apart from the replacement of the British people. And the complete annihilation of us!

 

So in a way here, in my opinion, Bowden’s wrong! He’s saying that the Tories are basically witless. And they don’t understand. But, in my opinion, there was a core of the Conservative Party who did understand exactly what was going on, and were pushing it, right?

 

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Mark Collett: I think it’s interesting what Bowden says there. And I’ve heard this from other people who are exconservatives, who were part of the Conservative Party. And somebody once said to me, who was part of the Conservative Party, that when the Conservatives won a vast majority at one point, this man asked:

 

“Well, now we’re in power, and we’ve got the majority, what are we going to reorientate what’s being taught in colleges and universities? How are we going to take these battlegrounds back, and stop them being lost to the Left? Because, if we lose these places to the Left, ultimately our children are going to be corrupted. And we will find it increasingly difficult to push our ideology in the future.”

 

And the answer he got back was simply:

 

“We aren’t gonna do anything. We’re not gonna do anything!”

 

And. I think there’s sort of two types of people that make up the Conservative Party. The first are people who are actually, by their nature, liberal, or Leftists, who wear the clothes of the conservative. They’re people like Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson who famously offered people a points-based immigration system, because his focus group testing told him that’s what people wanted to hear. And people thought it would be a system that was tough on immigrants. And it would placate people and win him a majority.

 

But as soon as he got into power he broke all immigration records, and just let Britain be completely flooded with more people than that have ever come here ever before! In any single year! Over a million people last year. Absurd! So there are people like him who are a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

 

And the other main body of conservatives are people who probably would, in private, agree with lots of what we say. But they just don’t want to rock the boat. They don’t want to rock the boat! They don’t want to endanger themselves, or their position, or the money they’re making.

 

And they understand that the people in charge of the Conservative Party are globalists! They are multiculturalists! They are degenerates! They are morally broken, or morally bent! And these people are just going to keep their heads down, keep making the money they can. And they think to themselves:

 

“Well, why would I give up my 84,000 pounds a year? Why would I give that up? I’m on 84 grand a year, plus all my expenses, plus a second house in London. If I don’t live in the capital already, the government pays my mortgage on that second house. I’ll sell it when I’m no longer a Minister. That’s a nice golden parachute for me. Plus I’ll get my Ministerial pension.”

 

Why would they rock the boat? And that’s the point. They don’t! You’ve got the people who are, I believe, fundamentally part of the globalist system. And then you’ve got a minority of Conservatives who probably are decent people behind closed doors, but are absolute cowards! And don’t want to mess up the sweet gravy train they’re on.

 

Does anyone else have any takes on that? Or, do you think I’ve hid it on the head? Or, do you think I’m being too charitable, or not charitably enough?

 

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Greg Johnson: Well, that’s pretty much the same thing on this side of the pond, I’m afraid. The attitude of Republicans to the cultural struggle thing is if they control both Houses and the presidency and you recommend that they basically start trying to reorient higher education, the arts, and stuff like that, use the power of the federal government to do that and the power is awe-inspiring! It’s considerable. They’ll say:

 

“Let’s just cut their budgets!”

 

Basically what they’ll do is they’ll appeal to Philistinism:

 

“Ah, that’s just a bunch of high-minded crap! Let’s just cut their budgets. These people don’t matter.”

 

And then they never get around to cutting the budgets, of course, that’s just talk. But it prevents them from actually dealing with the issue. Or they’ll just be libertarian. They’ll be classical liberals. They’ll say:

 

“Well, we can’t really take any sides on these things. I mean, we’d be just as bad as the enemy!”

 

That kind of stuff. The common denominator is that they always come up with rationalizations for doing nothing on the cultural front. And they continue to lose. I think some of them are there to make sure that they continue to lose. There’s people placed in the Republican Party who basically are there to prevent it from becoming a real opposition to the Left. I’m 100% convinced of that!

 

And others are just weak, they’re just weak. They think somehow they’ll be a miracle. They can just keep doing the same self-defeating stuff over, and over, again. But somehow Jesus will reward them for being good sports, somehow, down the road. It’s utterly pathetic!

 

But Trump has changed the Republican Party in a lot of ways. There are a lot of people who are coming into the Republican Party and running for office who have more spine, and are willing to buck the consensus that the party used to have, which is not to question globalization, or multiculturalism. So there are some good things happening in the party.

 

And the best thing that can happen is just that these old cucks will either be defeated, or die out. And that’s happening in both ways. So there’s some positive change, frankly. And I hope some positive change happens in the UK too.

 

Mark Collett: I think we’re a long way off any positive change happening here my friend. And I’ll tell you why. Trump for all that some of our people may hate him, he was an outlier, and he wasn’t strictly part of the system. Obviously some of the things he did, many of our people won’t be happy with. And some of his affiliations, or some of his sympathies with Israel, people obviously aren’t happy about. But he did do something that was fundamentally brilliant. He did open up discussion on issues such as the Great Replacement, mass immigration, open borders.

 

And I don’t believe there is anybody in the Conservative Party today, let alone somebody with the influence that Trump ended up having, obviously he became President, who would ever, ever, open up that kind of debate. That is super taboo!

 

And if you look at Boris Johnson, what we’ve got here is we’ve got a Prime Minister who conned his way into power on the back of promises that he was going to be the man that finally got mass immigration under control. And he has since promised harsher, and harsher restrictions on immigrants. Harsher ways of dealing with illegal immigrants.

 

And what have we got? Record numbers of immigrants coming in! Not record numbers of immigrants going home! Not record numbers of immigrants being turned away! Not record lows of people crossing our border.

 

 

But just a few weeks ago, he was over in India offering an additional 200,000 visas to Indian tech workers. Well, that’s on top of the million he let in last year. I mean, what’s this year’s gonna be when we finally get the figure? 1.3 million, 1.4? I mean, sooner, or later it will hit two million. If it’s hit I million. If we breach that Rubicon of a million in a single year, it’s only a matter of time before it hits two. I don’t think we’re gonna ever be in that position that America was in. And a lot of people don’t like Trump. But there are a lot of reasons we should be happy for him.

 

But that brings this stream close to an end. So if Natty, Laura, and Aunt Sally, would all like to sum up on their thoughts on the book. And then we’ll call it a night.

 

Natty: Okay, there’s like I said, there’s loads more I could get into. Not the least of which is that every, almost every author in this book that Bowden goes into has had a kind of modern smear job done on them, simply for associating with the Right in the 20s the 30s and the 40s, and, or, naming the jews in some way, or other.

 

I mean, TS Eliot gets off the lightest, because it was like one transcript of a speech he did, or one piece of writing that he did that just mentions them. And then they tried to do a hit job on them, which failed. But again we haven’t gone into it. And there’s not really time to go into it anymore.

 

But this is like the one, the kind of Sauron of our world. You can’t name him, you can’t look at him, you can’t touch him. Anything you’d say to do with them, just brings this kind of massive like auto-immune response from the body politic! Where you just get attacked and demonized. And they’ll try and destroy your life.

 

So if nothing else to take away from this, that’s one constant that runs through all of this. It didn’t matter that these guys were producing a different type of art. It didn’t matter about what kind of art which we’ve argued about here today, [chuckling] the relative strengths, or weaknesses of these pieces of art, don’t matter to the people who are truly behind this system. It was their ideas, their associations, the people they hung out with, that was the thing that was going to destroy them.

 

That was the thing that means we can’t talk about these people anymore. And even us, on the Right, who were reading this book, were googling the art, the images, and the people, and what they had achieved, because they’re just lost to history, because of these people who stand in opposition to us.

 

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Mark Collett: Laura?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. Well, thank you for having me. And thank you for joining us Greg. It’s always a pleasure to speak with you. I’ve enjoyed what I’ve read of the book so far. But it isn’t much. So I would feel a bit cheeky telling people to go and buy it. But the topic is really great. And I’m looking forward to finishing it. And if this is a topic that you’re interested in, it’s one to check out for sure.

 

But yeah. I’ll be back tomorrow for tea time with Sam and Laura at seven o’clock. And that’s me. Thank you.

 

Mark Collett: Aunt Sally.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I already said I did enjoy the book. It’s not for everyone. Particularly, because it’s about the arts. What it made me realize was how the arts are a form of indoctrination and subversion. And how much they’ve been used against our people for centuries, in the form of art and writing, and everything else. And now it’s media and TV that are doing the damage. But yeah, I did enjoy it. I do recommend it.

 

Mark Collett: Okay I’ll give my thoughts. And then we’ll let Greg have the final word. I like this book. I’m not in agreement with everything that Jonathan says. But I do like the book.

 

And why do I like the book? I like the book, because it preserves something about Jonathan, and that’s so very, very important. I think the issue we have today is that fundamentally so many great orators, so many great writers, have their work lost to time.

 

 

I mean if you look at John Tyndall’s body of work throughout Spearhead over decades, how many people have a complete collection of Spearhead? Is anyone actually archiving all of his wonderful articles and putting them together in a book for people to read? Probably not. And that’s a sad thing. That’s a sad thing. So many things are lost to time.

 

 

But what Greg has done here, is he has captured a little bit of Jonathan, a little bit of what Jonathan was. And he’s put it in a form that you can basically sit on your bedside table and enjoy at your leisure. And you might not agree with everything Jonathan says. But he makes a powerful case for the things that he believes in. And he’s a man that certainly shouldn’t be forgotten.

 

So, I’d like to thank Greg for doing this. And I would suggest you support Greg and Counter-Currents, especially when it comes to projects like this.

 

Greg would you like a final say before we wrap things up?

 

Greg Johnson: Well, thank you very much. Yes, I appreciate that. There’s going to be much more, as I said, of Jonathan. The new archive is up, new books are in the works, new things are coming to light. So we will make sure that he’s not forgotten.

 

And I always enjoy these shows. I want to thank you Mark, and Natty. Nice to meet you Laura and Sally. And I hope that we can do another one of these things in the future. Because, there are always going to be new books coming out from Counter-Currents. So thank you very much.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you my friend. Well, that brings it to the end of the stream. Thank you to everyone who watched. Thank you to Natty. Thank you to Laura. Thank you to Greg. Thank you to Aunt Sally. Thank you to everyone. Thank you to those who donated so generously.

 

And we will, of course, be back next week. We will be back for PWR on Wednesday. I will be back for a pre-recorded video come Friday. And I will also be back on Sunday for the Nationalist A-Team. So thank you so much. Would everyone say a quick goodbye. And then we’ll end the stream.

 

Greg Johnson: Good bye everybody.

 

Laura Towler: Bye!

 

Aunt Sally: Bye!

 

Mark Collett: I’m buying you a new mic Aunt Sally! I’m on Amazon buying it now! The echo will be over next week, or next month. And we will be back for book club next month. Thank you to everyone. And we’ll see you next week.

 

Have a great evening. And I’ll see you again soon. Thank you and good night.

 

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246 comments

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@MarkCollett
2 days ago
Pinned by @MarkCollett
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@NormalStyleCrew
2 days ago
get vetted in pa, njp or nordic resistance. stop putting it off
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
Good night all
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Thanks folks. Have a great night.
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
thanks all good stream
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
God Bless
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
i’ll be back
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@Mighty_Whitey
2 days ago
\o 1488
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
o7
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@BeauSauvage
2 days ago
buy the book frens
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
Natty is a good lad
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
The official Counter-Currents website:
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@dh
2 days ago
14
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@dh
2 days ago
Good talk, cheers
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
14
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
don’t mind Greg
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
14
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@ArcadeFate65
2 days ago
@NothinginParticular
and pro wrestling (without the ring action)
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@oppoten
2 days ago
(((modern art)))
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
Well said again Natty
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Follow Counter-Currents on Telegram:
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@NothinginParticular
to no small extent
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
One of the first laws the Bolsheviks Introduced was ‘Anti Semiticism”
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
politics is theatre
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
To purchase Jonathan Bowden’s ‘Reactionary Modernism’ at Counter-Currents:
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
America has direct elections which makes these type of coups possible
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
therefore they want it
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
have they stopped it? No
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
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@oppoten
2 days ago
a million in a year, wow
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
can the stop it yes
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@ArcadeFate65
2 days ago
@ReedJohnson
Trump was a just a bigger, sexier version of the usual conservative party trick of opposing things out of power then doing nothing or worse after being elected.
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@mikeenochcat
2 days ago
6 milliob
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
The Trump election was a coup against the system which is why they reacted so aggressively
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
record numbers
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@Mighty_Whitey
Trump is a fake populist who liked to flirt with racial nationalists
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@ArcadeFate65
2 days ago
Yes they’re crypto-leftists or work directly for the system (intel/networks). Maybe a few are careerists who don’t really believe in p.c. but want to grift a lifestyle.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Trump brought media hegemony into question
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
‘Conserving” What exactly ?
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@Mighty_Whitey
2 days ago
don’t @ me lol
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@Mighty_Whitey
2 days ago
Trumpism was the worst thing to happen to racial nationalsts in decades
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
demoralising
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@ThisIsNotAnArgument
2 days ago
right
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@ThisIsNotAnArgument
2 days ago
Conservatism at this point is just ‘rigth wing’ virtue signalling. Achieves nothing.
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Mouse Utopia the” Beautiful Ones”
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@wiseUp
2 days ago
quilt alert
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
They hate to turn off the lobbyists money spigot.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Sam Francis called conservatives “beautiful losers”
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
the left doesn’t exist
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@wiseUp
2 days ago
cant even sort childcare out you grifters
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
“Turn it back to the States” also.
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@ThisIsNotAnArgument
2 days ago
Many are conservative because they are cowards
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
@Mighty_Whitey
yes they are
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
Points based but no kill switch, if you have the “points” you’re in. Not thought through? Or purposefully aiding and abetting the invasion?
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@Mighty_Whitey
2 days ago
they’re all neoliberal technocrats
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@ThisIsNotAnArgument
2 days ago
These fake conservatives who claim that because they “believe in small government” they can’t undo the leftist institutions
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
I liked this one by Roger Scruton: “Fools, Frauds and Firebrands: Thinkers of the New Left” on Amazon UK:
https://tinyurl.com/5ncjy967
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@ArcadeFate65
2 days ago
Treason May was a fellow traveller, flashing her Frida Kahlo bracelet was a signal imo
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
“I couldn’t live without my twitter and Onlyphans”
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
Well said Natty
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
Laura Sam gang
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
We Were Never Asked(TM)
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@ArcadeFate65
2 days ago
Con Inc. are double agent leftists felloe travellers, careerists or just loyal to the system as a whole if not personally marxists.
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
“Immigrants” not “refugees” actually
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Disengage from Twitter. Let people stay there or find a better platform.
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@ArcadeFate65
2 days ago
Twitter is full of those obnoxious leftists frothing about Tories and putting I Hate Tories in their bios. How many are real or fake I don’t know.
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
it’s in the Overton window now.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Greg Johnson’s “The White Nationalist Manifesto,” now in 2nd edition:
https://counter-currents.com/the-white-nationalist-manifesto-order/
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@Carlota
2 days ago
Jesse Lee Peterson started this week speaking about the Great Replacement. He’s condemning it harshly
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
^ one way or another
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
PA has to become a political party
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@Mighty_Whitey
2 days ago
\o
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Jonathan Bowden was a true “man of the Right”
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
if you have a child who is lgbtq whatever, you have failed your ancestors
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
we carry stones
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
Don’t see gays as evil but a product of evil and victims. However, they should not be in positions of power and influence
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
my white back is strong and my pockets deep.
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
brow beaten
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
“Western Civilization Bites Back” at Counter-Currents:
https://counter-currents.com/books/western-civilization-bites-back/
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
To purchase Jonathan Bowden’s ‘Reactionary Modernism’ at Counter-Currents:
https://counter-currents.com/books/reactionary-modernism/
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
bankers greed
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@lux333
2 days ago
yes it was
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@Online_Storage
2 days ago
much better
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
watched on youtube a while back
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
Liberalism is moral syfilis
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
all children are born impressionable
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
@ReedJohnson
Hello Brother
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
The fact that this type of topic is in the Public discourse and entertained demonstrates how far Society has fallen.
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
abortionivexia
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
the trans sexuals in women sports will become a problem for them
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@Online_Storage
2 days ago
Dick Levine
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@Oldmotherearth
2 days ago
anyone walking down the street like that needs putting away
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@TheThinRedLine
Good evening \o
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
Abortionophobia
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@Miss_Right
they try to marginalise the normal white majority
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
I agree with Greg
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Yes normalisation. Cowards repent and speak up.
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
lol
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
normalisation
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
Their “feelings” are validated but traditional “feelings” bad
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Greg Johnson’s book, “White Identity Politics” is available on Amazon UK, get it while you can:
https://tinyurl.com/57twb2mj
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
subversion of natural biological sexual desire
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Mothers who take their children to ‘Drag Queen Story Hour” need some reality checks, short sharp shock type
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
blacks really do not like gays and trans. They tolerate far less than whites (unless they’re on the down low themselves)
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@Arrow
2 days ago
The same people who hide behind children to take your rights are the same who say adolescent hormone therapy is ok
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
much more effective than genocides or famines
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
(((they))) use words like it’s some hypnotic incantation
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
yes Mark
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@SamMYorks
2 days ago
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@Miss_Right
2 days ago
Illegal aliens.
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
institutional white abuse readying up for sharia and child marraige
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@dinolegovich1964
yeah, “consensual” and “legal” is not the same as making it openly public and polluting the public space
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
sounds like institutional child abuse
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
ffs bet its poor areas
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Bondage is consensual too but I do not want to see it publicly especially in front of kids
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@BritishGammon
2 days ago
I feel paedos should be hanged. I can’t help how I feel!
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
Their bedroom doesn’t belong in the classroom.
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
much easier to train kids to not want to reproduce at a young age. They will defend it
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
“chicken chasers” is slang for gay men who go after under age children & teens.
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
14
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
our working class kids
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
^ “rough trade”
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
you mean rich people/posh use workin class kids for sport
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@countercurrents
2 days ago
Folks, do you have any questions for the panel?
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
^^ that too
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
population control
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
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@Arrow
2 days ago
based natty
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
profane indeed
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@ThisIsNotAnArgument
2 days ago
In South Africa when there is rain and sunshine (therefore likely a rainbow) they call it a “monkey’s wedding”. you can draw your own conclusions.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
oy vey!
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
They are not “rapists” or at least they are not admitting to it.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
all this word salad to justify the profane is totally unacceptable
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@BritishGammon
2 days ago
Today: can’t refine “woman”, tomorrow: can’t define “child”. We all know where this is going.
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Critical Retarded Thinking
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
the world is symbols, never forget how they pervert it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Saint_Peter
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@oppoten
2 days ago
don’t say CRT, say the words
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
their means to indoctrinate children. Adopting the rainbow. Insidious
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
they’re already trying to normalise child sexual abuse
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@oppoten
2 days ago
but the mainstream is trying to take control of these narratives
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
It is obvious.
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago

Bifrost

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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
Rainbow= the shimmering bridge
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
let them have it and fly it then we know who they are unlike jihadis
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
Bifrost
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
I like Rainbows that’s why I do not want homosexuals to claim them as their own. They belong to little kids not sickos
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
:rainbow_puke_2:
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@dinolegovich1964
Perhaps at least until the nonsense dies down.
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Rainbows are not rectangles
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
rainbows are fantastc
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
“Extremists: Studies in Metapolitics” at Counter-Currents:
https://counter-currents.com/books/extremists-studies-in-metapolitics/
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
undo what the rainbow means, not ban it
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Banning Rainbow Flags would be a good start
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
“Western Civilization Bites Back” at Counter-Currents:
https://counter-currents.com/books/western-civilization-bites-back/
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@SamMYorks
2 days ago
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
CT did a respectable study on Yukio
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Rainbows can be like Swastikas. I get triggered, offended and disgusted by homosexuals parading with rainbow flags.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
“Pulp Fascism” at Counter-Currents:
https://counter-currents.com/books/pulp-fascism/
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
savitri devi was a saint
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
These sickos need something like 4 Chan to locate and take back the Rainbow
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
Bifröst
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Let’s take the Rainbow back. For the children.
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
the rainbow was Bifrost
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
A burka on a building site would be a death sentence.
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@oppoten
2 days ago
this is a great idea, do parodies
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@dinolegovich1964
Good observation. Perhaps that’s part of why they chose the rainbow, or at least why they stick with it.
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@mikeenochcat
2 days ago
lol
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
Mark swift with the wood-chipper
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Rainbows have become an evil subversive attractor for little children. Colour visuals are what kids notice and pay attention to. Rainbows belong to little kids not sick degenerate adults.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
‘certain ethnic group’
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
mythology
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
the cultural myth
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
At least it had cross dressing I heard
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
StoneToss is masterful:
https://stonetoss.com/
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
in group preference is natural
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
racism doesn’t exist
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
The Unifier
http://murdoch-murdoch.net/html/mm/Coniugator.html
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
To purchase ‘Reactionary Modernism’ at Counter-Currents:
https://counter-currents.com/books/reactionary-modernism/
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
nitwits and midwits. And conning midwits currently rule the post-modern art world
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
posted that ADL article on Locals and outside of HASBARA, all the normies went WTF???
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
a great movie poster is artful. And it’s commercial and promotional power is undeniable
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
beggar belief with those scum-bags
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
“The Nazis on the left are much better than the Nazis on the Right”
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Are some Nazis more Racist than others ?
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
you can’t beat the power and value of a great meme
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
“Ukraine Nazis are ‘good’ Nazis” ~ ADL
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@PopcornPower
and their attention span goes away just that quickly
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
Wolfenstein New Order would have been great if we could play for the right side…
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
Not everyone loves every form of music. That is part of where the disconnect comes from. People tune in. Hear a genre of music they don’t enjoy so they tune out.
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Nursery Rhymes are catchy and easy to transmit
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
a strength of PA is it’s persistent support of culture
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
People will consume music.
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@gaddiusmaximus
2 days ago
Patriotic Arts Community:
https://t.me/PatrioticArtsCommunity
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
“More Artists of the Right” at C-C:
https://counter-currents.com/books/more-artists-of-the-right/
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@BillAtheling
2 days ago
I wrote an article for the PA website on German nationalist photographers as modernists
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/a_view_from_the_right
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
9/11 prediction ? Blue Poles and Modern ‘Art”.
https://theconversation.com/heres-looking-at-blue-poles-by-jackson-pollock-51655
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
“Artists of the Right: Resisting Decadence” at C-C:
https://counter-currents.com/books/artists-of-the-right-resisting-decadence/
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
yes this pretty good
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
Millions of people dead, just like Covid, will have an effect on Societies
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@dinolegovich1964
2 days ago
4.42am Sydney Australia. Good Morning and “Clear them all Out”.
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@BillAtheling
2 days ago
@countercurrents
can’t wait to read this…
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
“The Cultural Cold War: The CIA and the World of Arts and Letters” on Amazon UK:
https://tinyurl.com/5e6wzdp2
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@RoryHerbert
2 days ago
@LauraTowler
A portrait of Benito Melia then
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Gordon Gekko in the movie “Wall Street” (1987) had the best take on modern art: the illusion of value based on what people pay for it.
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@gaddiusmaximus
2 days ago
Bowden painting trolling Jackson Pollock:
https://t.me/jonathanbowdenarchive/1267
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
Machines can now create “abstract art.” Now what artists?
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@BillAtheling
2 days ago
go on
@LauraTowler
I’m hoping to help arrange a Bowden retrospective….
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@TytoAlba
2 days ago
it’s fauvist, which was an offshoot of impressionism
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Catch The Writers’ Bloc hosted by Nix Jeelvy every Sunday at 1pm PST/4pm EST/9pm UK/10pm CET:
https://dlive.tv/Counter-Currents
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@TytoAlba
2 days ago
horrible
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@BillAtheling
2 days ago
@MarkCollett
the key thing to any graphic art, whether you are a cartoonist or portrait painter is drawing, if you can’t draw you will never cut it.
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
splish slposh £30,000 please is not art …
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
if it looks like a child did it, it’s probably not art
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@RoryHerbert
2 days ago
@gaddiusmaximus
I have two rotary phones. No one’s ever complained about the microphone quality lol.
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@gaddiusmaximus
2 days ago
sounds like she’s on a rotary phone. Sorry Zoomers, gotta look that one up.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
^ her audio is coming in and out
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
Aunt Sally is extremely quiet.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Follow Counter-Currents on Telegram:
https://t.me/countercurrents
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@BillAtheling
We’ve just gotten started. You’re good.
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@BillAtheling
2 days ago
evening folks,damn,I’m late!
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
$10.00
When you’re so buzzed on a streaming day, it’s exercise, live stream, then continue exercising. PA and Counter-Currents together again. The pride of the Right. As it should be.
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
The official Counter-Currents website:
https://counter-currents.com/
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@gaddiusmaximus
2 days ago
Jonathan Bowden Archive:
https://jonathanbowden.org
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Greg Johnson’s latest article at C-C:
https://counter-currents.com/2022/05/neema-parvinis-the-populist-delusion/
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@RoryHerbert
2 days ago
Good evening folks.
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
fight fight fight fight
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@JohanFredrickson1290
2 days ago
Hello all
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@gaddiusmaximus
2 days ago
Congrats
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@TytoAlba
2 days ago
ah congratulations
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
that Laura and Sam avatar is glorious, warms the old heart
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@mikeenochcat
2 days ago
hello
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
To purchase ‘Reactionary Modernism’ on Counter-Currents:
https://counter-currents.com/books/reactionary-modernism/
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@Homa_Tawk
2 days ago
Hey to all the fine people
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
yes, LIKE and BOOST this stream via support
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@perpetuallypunk
2 days ago
suggested read: the war on the west: how to prevail in the age of non-reason by Douglas Murray.
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@gaddiusmaximus
2 days ago
Fire Energy!
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
stream really needs a few minute countdown for stream to straighten out
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@SamMYorks
Cheers. Thanks.
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@SamMYorks
2 days ago
@ReedJohnson
That’s fine. This is Laura. Logged in on Sam’s comp.
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@PopcornPower
2 days ago
Loud & Clear
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@NRxDraconarius
2 days ago
Greetings \o
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
some lovely music for the meantime
Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No 2, arr. Franz Bendel. www.xuanna.nl
lbry://@XuannaOfficial#f/trim.1D80B52E-0232-44F3-9CC8-42AC154030BA#f
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
@MarkCollett
I’m a mod at Counter-Currents, and with your permission, I’d like to drop our links in the chat during the show. Is that ok?
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
Let’s gooooo
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@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
Good evening patriots
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