[Brian Ruhe from “The Brian Ruhe Show” interviews (Nov 26, 2018) Monika Schaefer in her second appearance, exactly one month since being released from a German prison. She served 10 months for a six-minute YouTube video, in which she gave a belated apology to her German mother for berating her for not doing something about the “Holocaust“, that Monika has since realized, factually never happened.

They discuss the trial in more detail, for example, how they had to fight to get the microphones turned on so that everyone could hear what was going on. How Alfred fought and succeeded in having his videos shown in full.

More importantly, Monika discusses the absurdity and injustice of the trial system, in that by attempting to defend and explain why she made her video, she runs the very real risk of being charged again for the same thought crime that she is already on trial for! That is the reason why she was advised to flee Germany, using trains, etc., as soon as she was released.

She ends, saying that she’s looking forward to doing some kind of speaking tour after the New Year.

— KATANA]

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The Brian Ruhe Show

Monika Schaefer

One Month in the

“Free World”

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TRANSCRIPT

(50:53)

[00:00]

Brian: Welcome to the Brian Ruhe Show. It’s November 26, 2018. It’s now one month since Monika Schaefer’s been in the free world! Since she left prison in Germany for the hate crime of “Holocaust” denial. So she’s back on the show for a second time. It’s a real honor to have you back Monika. How are you doing today?

Monika: Hello Brian! Nice to be back with you. Thank you so much. Yes, today is exactly one month since the last day of the trial and the verdict, which did set me “free”. And I’m glad you put that in quotation marks. Time served, so it was ten months. It was just under ten months, but they said ten months and now you go free.

And, of course, Alfred, unfortunately, is still in jail and will be for quite some time. They gave him thirty eight months, so just over three years. And yeah, we can talk about that some more in the show, too. About how people can support him, and write letters, and that kind of thing.

But anyway, yeah, so it’s been one month! It seems like a lot longer ago. I have to say. “time” has a way of shrinking and expanding on us depending on what we’re doing! And interestingly the way I feel now about this past month, one month going by, is kind of like my first month in jail! How I felt in terms of the time, just crawling by, like it was just this interminably long amount of time, that first month. And then time would speed up, like at the end it was shocking how fast time went by in prison! And now, here I am! You know, I was set free and so much has happened over this past month, and so many impressions, and so many emotional highs and lows, and just going through a lot.

I talked last time with you about escaping out of Germany and out of Europe, needing to do that, because, …

Brian: Eight trains you said to get out of the country!

Monika: Well, eight trains and then an airplane obviously, to get over the ocean. And I needed to do that, because I did new crimes just in trying to defend myself! That’s the crazy thing about if you’re a “thought criminal” in Germany, and you go through the court system, you cannot actually defend yourself, or explain how you reached your conclusions without doing new crime! And I think I talked about that at length last time, so I won’t go into that.

Today I thought I would talk more about the details of what did happen in the trial, not just the fact that it was a dark ages almost pseudo secret trial. We talked about that last time, quite a bit. Just all those aspects about problems with the microphones and people not being able to take notes for a while. And not being recorded. No transcript of the trial, that kind of thing.

And, by the way, there was one aspect of that I did want to update, or make a correction on., because we didn’t quite complete the narrative. And that was about the mics.

Brian: Yeah.

Monika: They did get turned on, but it took a while, right? But that first day we were struggling with that, and I think it was maybe half a day in, and finally did get the mics turned on., because I saw that in the feedback, or the comments, that people who were left with the impression that they never did get turned on. That’s not quite true. We did get them to turn them on. But it was only after, you know, I had talked about how I stood up and just said:

 

“Hey! This is either a public trial, or it’s not a public trial, and they’re just there for show! If you don’t care that the public can hear.”

All those things did not faze the judge. He was not fazed by any of that until, in my exasperation, I just kind of muttered, almost as an afterthought, I muttered under my breath:

 

“Well, I can’t hear that well, anymore.”

And that did the trick! At that point he suddenly realized:

“Oh okay, we might be a Inquisition here, or it might be a kangaroo court, but we still have to have some semblance, …”

[her telephone starts ringing] Oh dear, my telephones going! I’m gonna just bury that back here and put a pillow on it! Just a sec. Yeah. Sorry about that. I didn’t think of that before. I should have done that before and buried that. But anyway. [loud laughing]

And then the judge decided:

 

“Okay the defendant at least has to hear what’s going on, right?” [loud laughing]

[5:00]

So that’s when they decided, yeah, they’ll turn on the mics. It was only when I said I couldn’t hear that well, anymore.

Brian: Yeah, so you needed to hear, of course.

Monika: They had to afford us that much, that the defendant herself has to be able to hear what’s going on! [loud laughing] And that took quite a while to get that. But yeah, so just what happened during the trial? People are probably curious, and I know there were some reports, and the Barnes Review put out reports, and from Lady Michele Renouf who wrote about it, that kind of thing.

Monika: Yeah, but a lot of people felt like there was just this darkness about what actually went on in the trials. So I’ll just give a little bit of a summation of what did go on, why it took so long, 20 days in total.

It was basically a giant education for anybody who was there. [Brian holds up the latest Barnes Review with an article on the trial] Oh my goodness! Wow!

Brian: This is a current issue of the Barnes Review and you’re in it. This is the current issue. Yeah Lady Michele Renouf’s write up is in here. Yeah I could just show the audience. Here it is “History and Free Speech Holocausted in Germany”. This is a current issue. This is the write up about you.

Monika: Oh fantastic!

Brian: Yeah.

Monika: I must get that!

Brian: Yeah,

Monika: Okay, well I’ll deal with that later. So thanks Brian for showing that.

It was basically a giant education, so that nobody who was in that courtroom could say afterwards:

“We just didn’t know! We just didn’t understand!”

So, at first they were just going to show little snippets, little tiny portions, of the offending parts of the videos. There were multiple charges against Alfred, there were multiple charges against me, more against Alfred. He’s created more videos. And so they would outline, you know, minute three, or minute ten, out of this video, this kind of thing. And they’d only scheduled four days at first for the trial, and they just thought they’d show these little offending bits, and:

“They broke the law! And this is what the law says and these are ‘inciting hatred’ and riling people up.”

And whatnot. And not show them in their entirety. And then they would be done with it, and bingo, lock them away!

But Alfred was very strategic, and it was brilliant how he forced them to show the videos in their entirety, so that they would be in context. Sort of like reading a book from front to back, instead of just reading a little paragraph here, and a little paragraph there. So you take everything out of context.

Brian: He did he manage to convince the judge to do that? Because I know he did long videos, he’s playing.

Monika: Yeah. He just simply did not answer questions that the judge was asking him, which pertain to the technicality of when, and where, did you produce these, or push the button to send it out into the internet? That kind of thing. And those were the questions that they were very, very interested in. They, of course, are not interested in the contents pertaining to reality, or history. They don’t want to know those things, in fact, they would deny us the opportunity to bring this kind of evidence into the court, over, and over, again. No, they’re more interested in:

“When did you push that button, and push that send? And where were you exactly? And what was the date? And what was the minute and second of when it was released to the world?”

And this kind of thing, because that then can be used to show:

“Oh! We broke their law!”

Right? So Alfred just simply refused to answer those questions. He just said:

 

“Well, I’m not gonna answer that. We have to see the whole video. I’m not gonna answer that, we have to see the whole video!”

Eventually we won that, or he won that. And the judge just decided:

“Yep! We’ll see the videos.”

So we saw a lot of videos. And then, of course, most of these are in English and they needed to be translated. So they were translated into German and those translations were read out. So those were prepared, they weren’t just simultaneous translations. No, they were prepared. We would see the video in its entirety, and then hear the translation. And those, of course, since they are on paper, they are on the record. Those are now, …

Brian: Oh, so it is part of the record. That’s good.

Monika: Yeah. That is good. So that was a good chunk of time taken up by the watching of those videos. But after each video there would be questions and answers. An opportunity for all of us who wanted could speak. Like whether it was Alfred, or his lawyer, or me, or my lawyer, or the prosecutor. Everybody had a chance to speak. So most of, …

Brian: I remember in your letters, you said there’s a bit more mutual respect between Alfred and the judge, you know, when they’re going through all these videos. Sort of like teaching them, explaining. I mean, he said those were a real education for the court.

[10:15]

Monika: Well, that’s how we perceived it. They evidently, … I mean, we knew this wasn’t going to go, … They were quite likely not going to do us a personal favor. Alfred knows that. We all knew that. However, I mean, we’re doing this for all of us, our enlightenment, for truth. This is just really important historically to, hear it is!

So then a lot of the time, also, was taken up by these motions for evidence, or I don’t know what you would call it in English. It was “xxx”. So these documents, some of them were quite thick, to be read in court. Now the judge didn’t always allow these to be read, because he said:

“Oh, that’s too long, we don’t have time. It’s the end of the day.”

But this was ridiculous! There were more days scheduled! It has to take as long as it has to take. But so, when they were not read out loud, the judges were supposed to read these on their own, and the prosecutors too. And that was the sort of their promise, or their covenant, or whatever, that they would say. Yes, that we will take these for our own reading. But then it doesn’t go to the public, nobody hears it. And then there’s the opportunity for the press that’s there, you know, the mainstream press. I mean, they could just interpret these things however they want, because it’s not actually out there for the public to hear, what, is in it.

Then you only hear the interpretation of the prosecutor afterwards, and in the final judgement, of course, the judge, … But, some of these things did get read out loud. And to give you an example what those would be, one of the accusations against Alfred was this term that he used, “parasite”, okay. And they accused him “that’s hatred”. Well no! He wanted to get a biologist, an expert in to describe exactly what that means.

Brian: [laughing] What a parasite is! If it’s realistic, if it’s straightforward and honest, how could you call it hate?

Monika: In a very biological sense, what is a parasitic relationship with a host? Okay. So that kind of request for expertise. Or a request for an historian to verify that the things that Alfred is saying, either in the videos, or in these long documents, these motions for evidence.

The quotes that are being given by, you know, people who want to do away with us, the White race, for example. So quotes by Noel Ignatieff, or these books, you know, the Hooton Plan, or the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan, or Kaufman, you know, Theodore Kaufman, or countless books, or papers. Or, you know, positions that have been taken and are widely documented and they’re known of but Alfred was requesting that there be an expert historian to verify that these are actually out there in the public record.

See: Ursula Haverbeck – The Hooton Plan and the Migrant Crisis — TRANSCRIPT

[In this 28 minute video, recorded in September 2015, Ursula Haverbeck, a German woman who lived through WWII discusses how the “migrant” invasion is part of larger plan to destroy Germany and is a continuation of the WW II era Hooton Plan  (and similar schemes) created by organized jewry as part of their larger goal of world domination, aka, the Jew World Order  —  KATANA.]

That these things have been said by these people. So that it’s not us making it up. It’s not us just making up things. That, you know, whether the jewish people are saying this about us, or we’re saying this about them, or whatever. No! If we’re quoting somebody else, we want to know that was actually what they said! So these kind of requests. But, of course, those were all dismissed, put aside.

Also at towards the end of the trial my lawyer did make a request for Fred Leuchter to appear in court. Now not in person, because that would be very dangerous for him to come to Germany. He’d end up in the gulag, too! But — via videoconferencing — to bring him back on, because his evidence had been used in the videos, and in the written submissions. And that was also dismissed, pushed aside.

 

“No! We don’t need him to come!”

So anything that we requested to verify our positions, the things that they are using against us, to incarcerate us, to call us the “haters”, but we’re just presenting it to the world. But any of these things that we wanted to prove and show, they just dismissed it!

“Nope! No! No! You guys are bad! You’re the haters! We don’t like what you’re saying and full of your hatred! And your undermining confidence in the justice system!”

[15:06]

That is in each charge. Then they say you are basically “inciting hatred” and:

“Undermining confidence in the justice system!”

Brian: What’s wrong with undermining confidence in the justice system, or a political system? If you don’t have confidence in it, that’s freedom of speech! Right? Like criticizing the government, anyone can do that, right?

Monika: Well, not only that, isn’t in an irony that these things they’re doing to us, like raiding Alfred’s home three times, over the past three years, and taking all his equipment, and whatnot. And then if you point that out:

“Oh! You’re undermining confidence!”

Well aren’t they just undermining confidence in the justice system by locking people away for freedom of expression, and stealing their equipment from their homes? And, you know, appearing any time of night, or day. I mean, they can come in the middle of night. In those cases they came early morning. But they’re the ones doing all these things to undermine our confidence!

Brian: That’s a double standard!

Monika: And then they tell us we’re undermining the confidence in the system! Right. So yeah.

I wanted to also talk about some of the specific points that I was charged on, and they’re just crazy! And I talked about these during the “last word”, you know, the final, what do you call it? When I gave the last word, four hour speech that I gave. [final words from the defendant at the end of the trial]

So one of the charges against me originally, and actually this one, I think, it was dropped in the end, but I don’t have my legal, all the legal documents with me here. Hopefully they will be sent to me. I wasn’t able to take everything along with me when I fled quickly. I couldn’t fit it all on my suitcase! But the CODOH video that was produced, in which we answer the question:

“Why do you support open debate on the “Holocaust”?”

Brian: Oh! I remember that when you made it. Yeah.

Monika: Yeah, it’s a less than four minute video, which we just sent sound clips, we didn’t actually produce that one. It was produced in the States, and I don’t have to go further with that. But it’s CODOH, the Committee for Open Debate on the “Holocaust”. And this little video, it just turned out really great, I think. Because really, we’re just answering this question, that if you substituted that “H” word with any other word, anything else, everybody would say:

 

“Well, of course, you should be able to debate that! Of course, you should be able to talk about these things! Why wouldn’t you?”

I mean, this is really the only historical event that is legislated by law. That there’s one version of it, and you’re not allowed to talk about it. But so, this is just answering the question:

“Why do you support open debate on this taboo subject?”

And so I was delighted actually, that if they were going to charge us, and charge me at all, well good that they included that one in there. Because it just is one of these things that demonstrates incredibly well how they are defending and supporting lies! I mean, really! I don’t think you can watch that video without shaking your head and saying:

“Well that’s logical! Of course, you should be able to debate it!”

We don’t even talk about things happening, or not happening. We’re just saying:

“Yeah, we should be able to discuss it!”

Brian: Yeah just to discuss it. Ask questions about it.

Monika: That’s not allowed! That’s not allowed! And they just proved it by putting that in the charges.

Okay, another one that they charged me with, that which they definitely kept in, and I was awarded several months of incarceration, you know, verdict for. Was the video that was with Gerd Ittner, who just was released not that long ago from prison, another prison sentence.

See: Alfred Schaefer – A Dissident Speaking Out – Gerhard Ittner — TRANSCRIPT

And Gerd Ittner and Alfred, they had this video called “Dissidents Speak Out” [“A Dissident Speaking Out — Gerhard Ittner”] and they had a version in German and a version in English. And I think the English version was entitled “Dissidents Speak Out”. In German it was “Dissidenten sprechen sich aus”. And the German version of my offending video the “Sorry Mom” video, the German version in Germany disappeared very quickly, because they censor things like crazy. And so they had wanted, like Gerd Ittner, wanted that video to show up more — and mine’s just short, right, that’s six minutes and theirs was already half an hour, so to add six minutes to their half hour video that was just a little addition — and so they put that one in there, mine, into their video, into the dissidents video. And I didn’t know about it, but I was charged with having collaborated to do this!

Brian: Oh! You weren’t aware of it?

Monika: No! I wasn’t aware of it until afterwards. Now it’s irrelevant what I think about the idea. I don’t even need to comment on that. Do I think that was good that they did that, or not, good? It’s irrelevant! But the relevant part is that they charged me! That I spent time in jail for having participated in doing that! You know, to — what’s the word — to “conspire” with them to do that. Conspire, that’s the word I was actually wanting to use. Because, they keep talking about “conspiracies”! And “conspiracy theories” and all this! Making it sound like that’s some kind of a, like crazy thing!

Brian: Well, like you’re a nut!

Monika: Yeah, yeah! Anyway, so I made it very, very clear, as did my lawyer. And we were able to show that I had no foreknowledge, I had no knowledge of them doing this, to put that video in there. But they kept it in there, and, you know, that was part of my verdict.

Brian: So were you out of prison at the time? When they put it in.

Monika: Of course! Of course. So this is all, …

Brian: So there was no way to discuss it, …

Monika: This is just the verdict on me, because I did get the verdict of guilty. Just, because I was released, doesn’t mean I got “not guilty”. I got “guilty”, but ten months prison sentence. And I had already served it, so then they released me. But that charge remained. So I got a guilty verdict on that charge, even though I was able to prove, really, … I mean, I guess I don’t know how does one prove something like that? :

“Did know about it in advance?”

So they are going to read your mind? But I was able to make a strong case for the fact that I had no knowledge about, …

Brian: What about, they know your letters in prison. It wasn’t in your letters, right, they we’re doing this? So isn’t that evidence of nothing, you didn’t know? You just you didn’t have much communication, right?

Monika: No. That video was produced like a couple of years ago! So it’s not produced while I was in prison, right?

Brian: Right okay.

Monika: But anyway, I made an analogy in the “last words”. I said:

 

“Okay, let’s say we go out into the woods and I’m gonna instruct people on how to build a fire out in the woods, you know, using the lichen off the tree. And just making a fire where you don’t have a blowtorch, you know. [loud laughing] You might just have a match, if that. And I teach people how to make a fire on a survival course. And so everybody’s happy. And then we come back. And then maybe a month later there’s a case of arson. Somebody burnt down a building. And then they find out, oh it was somebody that happened to go on that survival course and learned how to make a fire from Monika Schaefer! Oh we’re gonna charge Monika Schaefer with that arson!”

Brian: Yeah. Good analogy.

Monika: You know, it’s kind of crazy! Like they’re making some kind of a weird connection that makes no sense. And maybe that’s not even a good analogy, because that was a destructive act, and that I don’t want to make that a comparison with putting that video into the “Dissident” video, at all! But just the logic, the step of logic, just doesn’t exist, it’s crazy! But this is the kind of thing they were doing. And that’s why I was always saying with delight to my friends in prison:

 

“Gee, every day they’re proving to us how truth, and justice, and right, and righteousness, lies on our side, and they’re defending lies!”

So. Anyway. One of the things that they did also do, they did stop some letters going in and going out, and they stopped those letters, or sometimes they just photocopied them, and then still sent them onwards. But they read one of my letters in court. One letter that I had written to somebody, and it was in German this letter. And at first I was quite nervous. And my lawyer had wanted to stop them from doing that, because he hadn’t seen it. And his argument was:

 

“It’s always the right the right of the defense to see the evidence before it’s brought out into the court.”

But I said:

“No. No. Let them read it.”

Because I was quite confident, even though I didn’t remember specifically what I’d put into that letter, you know, because I wrote so many letters. But I was quite confident that it should be suitable for reading in court. But still, you get nervous, you know, here they are going to read this letter in court and it’s supposed to be very incriminating!

Anyway I was quite delighted after they read it. And I did translate it, and I want to read that now.

Brian: Very good. Yeah, let’s hear it! Thanks.

Monika: So this was read out in the court, in the Inquisition of the Schaefers. [loud laughing]

[25:00]

“Dear Doctor R.”

I’ll just call him that to protect his identity.

 

“Thank you for your letter dated July 15th, which I received July 27th. You are not alone in thinking about the witch persecutions. I have often thought of them. I am very grateful that there is no death penalty, at this point, in time, because we both know what would then be. One thing occurs to me, just like today there are many helpers, or quislings, or followers.”

I wasn’t sure of the English word to use here, “Shabbat goy”, maybe.

“Just like today, there are many “Shabbat goy” who firmly believe they are doing good when they betray people who are actually telling the truth. I would think it was that the same back then. It is likely that people sometimes betrayed as “witches”, their own relatives and believed they were doing good. I suspect there were a lot of lies, deceptions, indoctrination, and brainwashing at that time, as well. And that fear played a large role. Or, I probably know far too little about the history.

 

I don’t think that the letters written to me, as per your concern, harm me, more than help me. The authorities have to catch on eventually, that the more they just lock people up simply for saying inconvenient things, or asking questions, the more it rattles the people awake out there. At some point it just gets to be too much. The servants of the system just don’t know when to stop.

 

Sure, sometimes letters in both directions are confiscated, copied, either forwarded, or not, used as evidence against me, but I have to say it sometimes has very little to do with contents regarding history. They are not interested in history, and truth! Only whether we bumped up against some thought control law, or pushed a button in the Internet. That’s what I mean.

 

The law itself is so intangible and unclear. Well, it has to be, for their purpose of serving a regime built on lies. The whole thing makes me think of Kafka and the book, or the film, 1984 by George Orwell. When I read 1984, back in the 70s, I never could have imagined that I would one day find myself in the middle of that book, …”

 

Then I wrote a little bit about stamps, which is now irrelevant. And then I continued:

“In the meantime the trial continues. Maybe I’ll be out of here soon see, dot, dot, dot.”

And I signed off.

And so, that was a letter that they read out loud. And I’m telling you when they finished reading that I just about jumped up and down for joy, because I was proud of that letter! You know? I mean, I thought:

“Maybe they’re on my side?”

Brian: Yeah.

Monika: It made me think;

“Maybe?”

That like, there’s there are two main judges and two lay judges. And the one who was tasked with going through the mail, was the one of the main judges, but not the head judge. You know, it was the woman. And at first it was that prosecutor who was reading all the mail. And they got way behind, and they couldn’t handle it anymore! And they were just complaining, that’s all they were doing anymore, is reading this mail for Monika Schaefer! And they were frustrated.

Anyway, they finally passed it off to the judge, and she was reading all the mail. And she just looked so friendly, I have to say. I just thought:

“She’s on my side! That letter was in my favor, I thought.”

But evidently not! For their final result, the verdict — especially when the head judge was saying at the very end:

“Every day we proved what haters we were!”

My goodness!

Brian: Yeah, what really stuck with me, the judge was saying:

“It doesn’t matter whether the “Holocaust” happened, or not. What matters is that it’s illegal in Germany to deny it!”

Monika: That was the judge for the Ernst Zündel case — just to be clear. I was making comparison in our last show. About how our judge handled it and how that judge handled it quite differently. Right?

Like our judge never said anything of that sort, and did not let on at all that he might have realized that, very same thing.

Brian: Okay. Yeah I misunderstood that, yeah.

Monika: That was the Ernst Zündel [Trial], at the end of that. And I thought that was pretty interesting actually, because it makes it clear that judge understood.

Brian: Yeah. It would be huge admission for a judge to say that. It’s good that he said that at the Zundel trial.

Monika: Some people make the commentary that was actually quite risky for that judge to have said that. But then, of course, he slapped on the maximum sentence, five years, for Ernst Zündel. So he still, you know, did that. But just by making that admission, just to say that:

 

“It doesn’t matter if it happened, or not, and what matters is that it’s against the law to question it, and you broke the law.”

[30:15]

But no, our judge didn’t do that at all. No! No, our judge was actually, well the head judge, the one who then spoke, you know, sort of like a chairman. Oh my goodness! No you didn’t get that impression at all!

And I know partway through, after that first wild week when things were just a “gong show”, there. After that it settled down a bit and all the videos were being shown, and then the question/answer and all that. And that’s when Alfred made the comment that he thought there was this mutual respect developing between them. And Alfred is the eternal optimist! Who really does have this positive outlook, thinking, you know:

“These people, they will know, and they will all learn, and they will understand it. And at some point they’re going to turn. And turn around and to come over to our side. To do the right thing!”

And Alfred has that huge, you know, he just radiates that optimism too, which gives him the strength too, to carry on! And it’s wonderful! Like that is an infectious and wonderful energy that he has. To have that outlook!

Brian: Yeah, I can see that in his videos, as well. But I guess it didn’t pan out that way. You know, others were responding to that.

Monika: But at some point it will happen! And then it’s just going to be this domino and avalanche effect! That somebody, some judge is just going to be courageous enough to do that, even if it means that they themselves suffer some dire consequences.

See: Ursula Haverbeck “The Greatest Problem of Our Time” — TRANSCRIPT

And I think that it has happened in some forms, or other, in Germany. Like I can’t remember the specifics, but there was some case that was going on and it wasn’t exactly like ours. But people in all these positions, they know what’s going on. At some point that dream, that prophetic dream, that Ursula Haverbeck had, while in prison already. I don’t know if you heard about that dream? But it was this wonderful prophetic dream in which they, all these military type people, and the jail type people, the inquisitors, the judges, they, … Somebody just at some point said:

“I’m not going to participate in this anymore!”

And in her dream there was torture going on, and all this thing. So it really was a dream that she wrote down. And this has gone out maybe, it’s more, you know, even more, … I don’t know if it’s been translated into English, but it was a wonderful dream. And they just stopped participating, in this dream. And to cut to the chase, you know, in the end she woke up great really relieved, that:

“Oh thank goodness! They have just stopped participating! And now it’s gonna turn.”

At some point, it’s going to turn!

Brian: Yeah it good! Yeah, I guess we don’t know when. I guess they’re firmly in the saddle at this time. But it’s good that you, you know, people are making the sacrifices to do this. But certainly I guess, within Germany there’s more truth amongst the people, about World War Two and the role of Adolf Hitler. There are these groups of Germans which are patriotic and know about that. And they get together and they meet, you know.

Monika: Yeah, it’s hard to know how many people know, they’re in Germany, what’s going on. But it’s more and more, all the time. It really is. Like people are waking up. I know that, for instance, the driver going back and forth between the courthouse and the prison, I know that some of them are very aware, just from some of the comments I was getting from them in my interactions. Because I went back and forth so often that then they started to get more comfortable.

And I just know that they can see what’s going on! They’re driving prisoners back and forth all day, so they see who’s doing all these things. Why are they in jail? And, who are they? [loud laughing]

Brian: Is there any idea of just how many people are in jail in Germany for “Holocaust” denial, for this “hate crime”? It’s hard to get any figures. Maybe they don’t want us to know? Do you have any idea?

Monika: I don’t think it’s that many that are actually, … But I shouldn’t even say that. I don’t know how many there are. But I do know that there’s a lot of charges on the same law, this 130, this paragraph one thirty. Two thousand a year is what I was told. Two thousand charges a year, which means that people are paying fines, people are forced to do this, or that, or the other thing. I don’t know what some of the other conditions are.

[35:00]

Brian: So that’s 2,000 people for “Holocaust” denial and Germany, you mean?

Monika: Well they don’t even have the words “Holocaust denial” in their law. The word “Holocaust” does not appear in that law. But it is always about that. That paragraph 130. That is what it’s about! And there are 2,000 cases a year being processed! And that law has existed since 1994. It did not exist before 1994. So, you know, my lawyer argued very well that they got along without a law for 40 years, after the war. And they were actually encouraged, when he was in his, you know, schooling.

 

“Yes debate these things! Talk about these things! We should be able to discuss these things.”

And they did without fear of persecution.

Brian: That’s surprising that in Germany they could talk openly about that until 1994. You think they would have prevented any doubts about the “Holocaust”?

Monika: Well, the reeducation program was in full swing.

Brian: Yeah.

Monika: And there too, you know, that really got into swing, I guess the whole “Holocaust” thing, in the 70s, right? It wasn’t right after the war. It was too close to events. But then those people who went through the school system, people of my age, our age, they really got hit with it. And subsequently to that they’re just getting really, you know, the triple, quadruple, dose of that, the poison of the mind! You know, the poison that gets put into the mind, of these lies.

Brian: Yeah. I met, with Germans I’ve met here, you can really see that strong reaction. They are convinced that way. So of these 2,000, you would say probably few would go to jail? They would get a fine, or something else like that?

Monika: Yeah, and I don’t know how many are in jail, specifically for this. I think there’s probably quite a few in jail for related, you know, “inconvenient truths”. I don’t know, though.

Brian: I think the person who has been in jail the longest for this is Wolfgang Fröhlich, about 14 years in jail!

Monika: In Austria.

Brian: Yeah it’s in Austria, yeah. Because he was like a pest-control expert, and he testified in Switzerland and he, while in jail, keeps writing letters to authorities saying:

“No it couldn’t have happened this way, you know, because like this Zyklon B needs about 25 degrees fahrenheit to evaporate to kill people. But they these chambers were only like 15 degrees. It was too cool, so wouldn’t have happened.”

So I think that’s so threatening, because he knows his chemistry! That’s why they keep putting it back in jail. It’s a tragedy, like 14 years in jail! He gets the record, Wolfgang Fröhlich!

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Monika: Yes and I’m so glad you brought up his name, because it’s really important that we don’t forget any of these people. And that we support these people. They are, I mean, what a sacrifice he’s made! And he’s not bending, he’s not bowing down, just because they put him in jail. Right? He just keeps speaking the truth. And this, I mean, they just keep putting him in, back in. Or they keep him in there for the repeat offense. Well, that’s like us in our trial. We couldn’t go through that trial, without repeat offending! It’s rather, … That alone should wake people up, that there’s something deeply wrong with this!

Brian: Yeah.

Monika: Because you can’t defend yourself! Now shouldn’t there logically be the provision that at least during your trial you can speak about these things without “re-offending” making a new crime? No, you’re defending yourself for what they’ve already charged you with! And yet you’re incurring “new crimes” that they’re going to put you in longer for!

Alfred is facing a new court date, January 28th.

Brian: Oh, for what? What’s the charge for January 28th?

Monika: For the things he said and did during the trial!

Brian: Oh gosh!

Monika: This is what I’m saying! He got three years two months. And that doesn’t mean he’s going to, like, they just want to keep him there for a long time! It’s, it’s, … [shaking her head]

Brian: So they can add to it? He’s on trial, so they can add to it?

Monika: Yes. And I mean, it leaves me speechless, literally! So but what can people do? I mean, there’s a lot of things people to do, and we don’t want to prescribe. Everybody has their own imagination, and everybody has their own capacities, and these could be little things, big things. But one of the things you could do to help the political prisoners is write letters to them, or write letters to embassies, or consulates, or whatever. Because that puts the pressure on! And it shows the authorities that these people have support. You know, if the letters just dried up, then it’s:

“Ha! See we can get away with this!”

No! People should be writing lots and lots of letters and keep doing it!

[40:01]

Brian: Well I’ll put the address for Alfred below this video, like it did in the last video. Yeah. I guess maybe your demeanor in court was different than Alfred’s? Was he more challenging and you’re a bit calmer? I guess they treated you differently than they did Alfred, it seems, right?

Monika: Well the verdict was less, because there were less counts against me, as well. And yeah, we have our different styles and that’s perfectly natural too, we’re two different people. I say to people:

“Look we’re on exactly the same page, but we have our different styles of communication and all that.”

And plus it was important for me to get out. I was already there, and so there was a different strategy. I didn’t speak as much during the trial. But I did do quite a speech at the end, there! [loud laughing]

Brian: I think you had a good strategy. You did get out! I was impressed, you know, like, I thought they’d hold you for a year, or more. So I guess your strategy worked.

Monika: Well, the persecutor, sorry prosecutor, [loud laughing] I accidentally said “persecutor”. The prosecutor called for thirteen months for me, and for three years, seven months for Alfred, something like that. So that is one thing you could say. The judges did go lower in both cases, you know, that’s one thing you could say. [chuckling]

Brian: Okay, well, …

Monika: Yeah anyway, I don’t remember what else I was gonna talk about today, but I think that’s probably, … Is there anything else that you wanted, that comes to mind?

Brian: Well there’s a few comments and questions in the chat. One person asked:

“What was your first meal in prison.”

Do you remember that?

Monika: You know, the first food that I was offered was actually in the holding cell, right in the courtroom on January 3rd. When they just grabbed me, and handcuffed me, and took me against my will. And I protested that I was a free Canadian citizen. And they threw me in this hole, in the basement, like it’s just this little holding cell. And then a number of hours later they came by with a trolley, and in the trolley they, in the little cooler box. They had sandwiches and apples. So I had a sandwich and an apple. That would have been my first meal while incarcerated. [chuckling]

Brian: Another comment in the chat, or someone saying. This is from “purple carnation”. He said:

“Can you appeal Monika? How can you not be allowed to produce your own evidence to support your innocence? This is what happened in Nuremberg! You’re really a conquered people!”

Monika: Thank you! That is just, … Thanks so much for that question and comment. And I did want to say this, and I’ve forgotten, both times, both interviews with you Brian. It is being appealed! My lawyer is appealing my verdict! And Alfred’s lawyer is appealing Alfred’s verdict! And people might, at first glance, say:

“Well, why appeal? You’re out! You’re free! Right!”

Well, it’s the wrong verdict, right? They pronounce me guilty, I served months and they pronounced me guilty, plus costs. Can you imagine court costs? Oh my goodness! That’s gonna be a bundle of money! But it’s being appealed! So I haven’t been sent a bill yet, or anything like that. It’s being appealed, because it’s the wrong verdict.

So that’s going to go up to the Supreme Court in Germany. And we talked at the very beginning about the title, you know, being set out into the “free” world. It’s kind of going, you know, one prison cell to another. None of us are free! If there are political prisoners. If there’s one person in jail, we’re all in jail really. Because we’re in this mind prison, we’re in the prison of the mind. Like we are in a virtual prison. So I kind of wanted to throw that comment in there.

And what was the other part of that person’s comment? So it was about this appeal, and, … I don’t hear you.

Brian: Yeah, sorry. Yeah, are you going to appeal? And he said this is like the Nuremberg Trials.

Monika: Oh yeah, that was the other part I wanted to comment on.

Brian: Yeah.

Monika: The Nuremberg trials! At that trial how many people are aware that there they just proclaimed that you do not need evidence to prove something that is “common knowledge”?

Brian: Oh yeah! So they put out the propaganda, people believe it, therefore it’s “common knowledge”. [shaking his head]

Dachau display table. Human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, bone ashtrays — all “common knowledge” with enough propaganda!

Monika: It’s “common knowledge” that this thing happened! We’re just gonna proclaim that it’s “common knowledge” and that set the bar for evermore! I mean, this is just something that drives me crazy! That kind of thing, we need to tell people over, and over again! And we need to spread that. But if you just declare at that first very infamous trial, post World War Two, and it really was a terrible thing that happened there!

[45:03]

They just said:

“This is ‘common knowledge’. We don’t need evidence.”

And then, in fact, they just had all this “counter evidence” which was a bunch of lies, and distortions. And then they hanged these people!

Brian: Yeah. It’s like they create their own realities, kind of jewish thinking, you know, this subjectivism. They create their own reality, and then they impose that upon us.

Monika: Yes! And then forever more, … Like I get this so much in town here people saying, or on social media, people are always saying:

“Oh! This is the most well-documented event in history! This is just so well documented! It’s just got to be the most studied event in history!”

But then they never say:

“No. Where’s where’s the evidence? Where is it?”

No! They just keep repeating that statement. It’s just an empty shell of a statement! Which is a complete and utter lie!

Brian: Yeah. They’ve thoroughly studied the lies and repeated the lies. That’s why they call it one the most documenting crimes in history! [chuckling] Because they document a bunch of lies!

See: Nuremberg and Other War Crimes — Part 1 

Monika: You could exactly just invert that, because they invert everything, and they say it’s the most repeated lie in history! And it really is. Or it’s the most repeated documentation of non evidence, or false evidence, or whatever! It, that drives me crazy! And they started with out at the Nuremberg Trials. Just look up articles 19 and 21 of the Nuremberg trials and you will find it in more legalese language, but that is basically is where they say:

“We’re not going to have evidence for this. We don’t need evidence, because it’s common knowledge.”

Brian: I want to ask, how are you doing back home, in Jasper, Alberta? How is the town treating you? How does it feel?

Monika: Yeah, it definitely has gotten better since I last talked to you, on November 15. Like at that point, I had some encounters that just made me feel:

“Whoa! What am I coming back into?”

And there still is that fear in people’s eyes. And I just try to be friendly to them and ask them how are the kids doing, or whatever! [chuckling] It sort of disarms that fear, a little bit. But I’ve also had some really nice “welcome home” hugs, you know. And people really meaning it when they say “welcome home Monika”. And that’s good! I mean, life is not like it was before. It never will be, but I’m not looking for that. We’re in a different kind of a world than what I was perceiving before I started waking up to this, to all these deceptions.

Brian: Because I remember you were barred from the Legion, but you’re not barred from anyone else, right? You are free, right?

Monika: Well, no. I haven’t really tested that out, and actually I haven’t tested that out. And I was barred, I was banned from a couple of other places too, actually. There was a breakfast kind of a place where she was extremely hostile to me and then threw me out, and barred me from ever coming in there.

Brian: Gosh! Gosh.

Monika: But the Legion was the big one, because it’s a sort of a central, it’s a focal point in this town for all kinds of events. Lots of stuff goes on there.

Brian: You’re not barred from the Legion now, right? You used to perform music there, right? [Brian was breaking up here and was hard to hear.]

Monika: Oh yeah. In fact, our band helped bring that up from, you know, at the time that was a pretty dead place and then the guy that — well, Ken Kuzminski, the President there — he wanted to bring live music in. And he approached me with my band to come in. And we came in on a regular basis for about a year. We came in about once a month and performed, and then other groups did. And then he started going with bands that were traveling from elsewhere, not just local bands. But yeah we kind of kick-started that. Helped to kickstart, getting that place a “happening” place. [chuckling]

And now I’m forbidden! But I don’t know if I am, like I say, … Anyway I don’t want to talk too much more about that in case I want to go down there and try it out.

Brian: Yeah. What about going on tour, [words unclear] go across Canada and talk about your experience?

Monika: Oh yes, I’m looking forward to that! I think in the new year there will be a little bit of a speaking tour happening in Canada! So don’t know the details yet. But definitely want to do a little bit of speaking. I would love to do that. And I will.

Brian: Very good! Yeah, anything else? It’s been a good interview, a good follow up on our first talk, when it’s so fresh on your mind. So do you feel you’re adjusting, you’re getting on with your life? Maybe things will never be the same, of course, after this.

Monika: Yeah, like I say, it’s been exactly a month today. And like I said at the beginning, that time, it seems like a long time ago, because so much has happened, and I’m just finding my feet. But I expect that things will go a little smoother going forward from here and maybe normalize a little bit in terms of just day-to-day life. And I’m feeling pretty good!

And yeah, again remember about Alfred, writing letters to him. And yeah, I’m okay! I’m doing well, thank you! And thanks for doing this Brian. I really appreciate you doing these kinds of interviews and doing all the work you do. Thank you so much!

Brian: Well I appreciate having you on my show. It was an honor to be the first to interview last time. I like to do more of these as things change, and talk on other subjects as well. Thanks for being on the show!

Monika: Thank you.

Brian: Okay. Until next time.

Monika: Bye!

[50:53]

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See Also:

Brian Ruhe — Monika Schaefer’s First Public Appearance Since Imprisonment in Germany! Nov 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Brian Ruhe Show — Monika Schaefer – One Month in the “Free World”, Nov 26, 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

The Graham Hart Show — Brizer with Monika Schaefer, Dec 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

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[Brian Ruhe from “The Brian Ruhe Show” interviews (Nov 15, 2018) Monika Schaefer in her first appearance since being released from a German prison, after serving 10 months for a five-minute YouTube video, in which she gave a belated apology to her German mother for berating her for not doing something about the “Holocaust“, that Monika has since realized, factually never happened.

They discuss her arrest and first days in prison, the pre-trial events, the trial, life in prison, her release, and her fleeing the country by train to avoid possible re-arrest on new charges. She ends by expressing her gratitude to all that supported her during this ordeal, and the need to continue fighting.

“This is a call for, basically if we don’t understand the truth of what’s going on, then we are becoming enslaved!“

— KATANA]

Brian Ruhe

Monika Schaefer’s

First Public Appearance

Since

Imprisonment in Germany

[Brian Ruhe talks with Canadian-German brother and sister, Alfred and Monika Schaefer about the latest police raid of Alfred’s home in Germany, where the police “stole” material and equipment from him. This is all due because he has been spreading truth about the greatest hoax in modern history, the so-called jewish “Holocau$t” of WWII and also the jewish false flag event of 9/11 and their subsequent War OF Terror. Also discussed is the need for everyone to fight back against the ever-growing restrictions being instigated world-wide by organized jewry on our ability to speak freely — KATANA.]

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Alfred Schaefer is a Canadian videographer living in Germany. On July 6, 2017 at 6:00 am his door bell rang ferociously, as if some berserk madman was about to kick in the door. Seven armed thugs appeared with guns, bullet-proof vests and handcuffs and one “witness” from the town administration. Please support Alfred Schaefer as he tells the truth and exposes the lies about the Holocaust.

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Brian Ruhe

with

Alfred & Monika Schaefer

German Police Thugs Steal

911 Truth Material and

Alfred Schaefer’s Studio Equipment

TRANSCRIPT

[00:00]

Brian: Welcome to the Brian Ruhe Show. Today’s July 8th 2017. My guest is Alfred Schaefer in Germany and his sister Monika Schaefer, in Jasper Canada. They both are videographers, and they have released videos telling the truth about the “Holocau$t”. They have both suffered quite a lot for this. Monika has had some isolation in her town. But Alfred, just two days ago, was “swatted” by the German authorities. Alfred, tell us what happened?

Alfred: Yes it was a surprise attack. I wasn’t even really expecting it. At six o’clock the doorbell just suddenly went crazy — ding, ding, ding, ding! They were just hammering on it. And so I, you know, I jumped out of bed. Like okay, I said to Frieda:

“Hold them off for a few seconds if you can!”

And I scrambled around to get a few things sorted out. And within about, a very few seconds, suddenly there was a whole team of these guys with their guns and bulletproof vests. And they just came in and that was it! They pinned us down basically. And okay:

“We’re going to search your house!”

So they were there and they said that they had an order to steal, well they say “confiscate”, steal all my video equipment and so forth, and computers, everything. Storage devices and not only storage devices this time, but also the video equipment.

And so they went about doing that. And the whole time I was telling them, you know, how do you, what do you guys tell your children when you go home? Do you go home and tell them:

“Oh you got a “Holocau$t” denier and stole all his equipment.”

Come on! The whole world is waking up! The whole world is laughing at Germany for being so stupid, that there are still some people that believe it. That’s what told him the whole time and says, you know:

“This is treason what you’re doing! And that’s how you will be judged and, you know, that this is theft what you’re doing!”

And I never stopped driving it into their conscience. But the head, or the leader of that crew, these gangsters, was a woman. And she was there, she actually did the raid last summer, and I was hoping, or I thought, that she had learned something. Because I used to send her my newest productions and so forth. And, you know, here you guys are all suffering from this induced mental illness and so forth.

But I think she has chosen to betray her people and the human beings on this planet and work for a few shekels, take the shekels from the parasite and do their dirty work! And she knows that she’s doing this dirty work, so she’s the one that has really disappointed me. Now the other ones, the cops kind of thing, the big guys, a lot of them probably don’t really know and they seem to be quite actually keenly interested in, like, for example, we had the book, “Mein Kampf” from Adolf Hitler on the coffee table. And my wife, Frieda, she says:

“Oh that’s mine, you know, I’m just reading that.”

And then he says:

“Oh no, you can do that. It’s okay.”

And also they were looking at the other stuff, and some of the guys were just like guarding us, but he’s looking and reading through the stuff and very keenly interested in reading it, and actually left some of the stuff there, like the newest “Zundel Brief”, you know, like from Ingrid Zundel. She sends it to us all the time. He’s reading that. But what they did also, not only steal all the stuff, but they photographed all the books that are in our bookshelves! I want to know what kind of stuff we are reading.

Brian: Wow!

Alfred: So listen people, if you think religion in a free society, the state authorities come and they photograph what we are reading!

Brian: Wow!

Alfred: They are keenly interested! And they steal our equipment! Because now they say in Germany, for example, they want to make huge fines for anybody who puts out, “fake news”! I mean, in other words, they have their lies and anybody who disagree with their lies and puts something out that contradicts these lies, will be charged with putting out, “fake news”!

That how bad it’s got. It’s double speak! But, like I said, the more insane it gets, the easier it is even for the zombies to see through it, that something isn’t right! So all these people that are now actually that stupid, or pretending to be stupid — because they think that they don’t have to change their life that way — it’s getting harder and harder for them to continue with that position. So that’s good for us.

Monika: I’ll make a comment about this is censorship. They’re privatizing the censorship, aren’t they? By charging fines, or making fines on those companies who don’t block certain sites. So that’s in effect, privatizing the censorship of what we’re allowed to see and read! And about the books, I mean, maybe this is a precursor to what went on in Russia, what became the Soviet Union. There at some point they would just shoot people with certain books. You know, it was an instant death penalty if you had the “Protocols of Zion“, for instance. That was instant death penalty. I mean, it’s not there yet here, but this is the direction that it’s going. It is really out of control with what they’re censoring and how they’re censoring!

[05:24]

Alfred: Also in Russia if you were labeled “anti-semitic” that was also the death penalty. So, if that’s what we want, then we just continue to keep our heads in buried in the sand and do nothing. But that’s why we’re fighting, and we’re fighting to win, because we are going to drive this until they do one of two things; they either shoot us and kill us, or we get enough people to come out so that they know they can’t do that and we’re going to win!

I’m convinced we have to make it so that all those people who are their willing helpers now, they are being exposed, we are pulling their masks off, and they are will have no choice other than to basically come out and hope, and plead, for forgiveness and mercy. Because they cannot possibly kill, you know, exterminate the entire White race as the whole White race is finding out what they have done to us!

I mean, their incredible success of the past, the entire history of the World Wars, the entire history of communism, and now that we have figured out who it actually was, namely the jewish plot to dominate us and control us. That is now coming out and they cannot get that genie back in the bottle. It’s a little bit like if you’re a serial killer and finally you get cockier, and cockier, you’re just killing, raping, and so forth, them finally you get caught somewhere along the line. And then all the other crimes you committed over a long period of time are all exposed! And that is a bad time to say:

“No, I didn’t do it!”

No! We know you did it! And now you’re guilty. And then to try to maybe kill those people who are finding out, only makes it worse! And that’s the situation we’re in right now.

The parasite, or the jew, or whatever you want to call it, or him, whatever it is, is at the end of the road! And this time it has bitten off more than it can chew, because to basically breed down the White race, … Basically applying the same business model as was applied to Germany, in what we call the Second World War. Having the people who have been duped into destroying Germany, partake in the spoils and then to create all kinds of evil propaganda about the Germans to justify it.

Now they’re applying that very same, very successful business model, to the entire White race! That’s why all the invaders are partaking in the loot. They’re taking our homes, our land, our everything, and they’re not going to complain. And we are being vilified to justify what’s happening. And then we are so gullible, because of our nature, our human nature. Specifically the White race has this huge degree of empathy and goodwill, that we have been psychologically brought down to the level of committing “suicide”, basically!

And that’s the whole reason for all this propaganda, is to destroy our natural defenses! But now that we are recovering from that, the people who are waking up are recovering, that’s why it’s so important to just educate! Educate! Educate nonstop!

Because, we are very close now to having that critical mass where it will be a done deal. And nobody will want to admit in a very short time from now, that they EVER believed any of those lies!

So those people who think they can just sort of think it’s going to go away, or pretend they don’t understand, they are risking the rest of their life being seen as a complete and total idiot, or treasonous, or mentally retarded something! You will not be part of the, you know, respected community, or something, because you have to justify why you remained silent! Not to me, not to Monika, or to Brian, but to your own children! And that’s a a pretty tough one. I mean, your kids will know!

Also, another thing I found out, the “JQ” is now amongst the young people in North America, you know, the White ones, especially. You don’t have to explain it anymore, “JQ”, the jewish Question. Now that’s progress! Now how are they going to get that one out of their minds? I mean, the young people, they are waking up! So the older people from our generations, who think that:

“Oh, we have a good life! Why should I bother, why should I burden myself with this problem now, when so old and ready for retirement?”

Or whatever. Anyway, no you have got to do enough so that you can justify to your children what you did, or did not do! That is all. Now once you understand some of this, then you’ll really start kicking into gear!

[10:15]

And that’s what’s happening now, is that people are understanding. They find a new purpose in life. And also, a very interesting thing I hear this more and more now, people that are beginning to understand this, they are stopping consumption of alcohol. They’re getting themselves fit, because they suddenly find they have a purpose in life!

And that’s another thing, that we as Europeans, it doesn’t do us good to have to go too long without any real challenges! [Brian start to laugh in agreement] So this challenge is actually good for us! It’s good for our spirit, it’s good to get us back into what we have always been. That’s why I’m absolutely certain that we’re going to win this battle! I don’t think, … It’s a no contest really!

It’s even like Alan Sabrosky had said, that when the American people really understand and that was only about 9/11. He says when they really understand what happened, who brought us 9/11, he said:

“They will scrub Israel off the face of this earth! And they will not give a rat’s ass what the cost is! They will do it!”

 

It will be a “no contest”! And now we know that 9/11 is only one link in a long chain that goes in very far and very deep! So it’s already a whole lot worse than, … If people are afraid to deal with 9/11, well, when you get the whole picture, then you’ll get your blood going! And then you have the right spirit to do something about it. So that’s we’re faced with now. It’s a good time to be alive!

Brian: You know, I think that yes, they’re on the run! With the internet more people are waking up. So it seems like they are on the run. It’s kind of like the elephant is afraid of the mouse! We’re the elephant, we’re the ninety-nine percent.

Alfred: Oh yeah!

Monika: Yeah, I would like to add to what Alfred has talked about. It really is an existential threat that we face right now! And it is every bit as critical, as we are, you know, projecting to people out there that we absolutely have to do everything that we can to fight this existential, or to overcome this existential threat! And really the most lethal weapon that has been used against us is the psychological warfare. The lies, the deceptions, and the indoctrination, the programming of our brains, the programming of the young people’s brains.

I mean, Alfred talks about young people waking up and coming out, and I think that is true. But at the same time I’ve been shocked to see that the younger generation, they are highly affected by some of the poisoning that they are encountering in the schools with some of the things are being taught in what we call, … You know, they might call it “health studies”, or “family studies”, or “sex education”, but I have renamed it as “porno pushing”, porno and perversion pushing.

It softens up their minds, it changes their brains the things they’re being taught at a very young age, so they can’t get past that first base. They can’t get to second base which would be to understand a very, very basic facts about 9/11, which if you just take a very small amount of time to look into that, you will see that the official story is completely wrong!

And then when you discover we’ve been lied to about that, you realize that lying was not invented on September 11th, 2001. And that the lies are so much deeper!

And [if] you go back into World War Two history and the “hollow-co$t” the so-called jewish “Holocau$t” and when you realize that is a BIG lie! It’s really at the core of the structure of deception that is structuring our very world! Like, you talked about Israel and 9/11 and what Alan Sabrosky said. Well Israel is actually structured on the “hollow-cost” or the “holohoax”.

And the whole persecution of the jewish people, that is their identity, but when you figure out that the “Holocau$t” is a lie and then you can go back into history and you could ask, well why were they kicked out of country after country, region after region? Is it just, because we’re born with some gene called “anti-semitic”? Like, how much sense does that make? It makes no sense at all!

It’s when you realize that what they do, is they come in, they become a chameleon, they become like us in their appearance, in their language, how they talk how, they speak, how they look, how they dress, and we don’t realize that they’re infiltrating all the power structure of the government, the media! That’s a really important one. The media basically tells us how to think, the movies, the books, the publishing, you know, which books get promoted, which films get all the awards. They kind of pat themselves on the back for the films that they want to promote. All these things, so they form how we think, and then subvert from within. It’s the enemy within that is so much more dangerous than enemy at the gate with the guns and the canons, right?

[15:16]

So, this is how it goes. And I want to also address this thing about the White race and White guilt. So part of the psychological warfare against us is to teach us from, you know, from the day we’re going into kindergarten, basically, how bad we’ve been! We’ve been so bad, we have to, you know, make up for all our bad!

And in Germany it’s particularly bad. And we experienced that very personally with some relatives of ours, who really, just basically went crazy when they found out about my video! And they were responding in an uncontrolled manner, it was like they were triggered! They really were programmed to respond in a triggered way, that they basically never want to contact with us again. You know:

“Get out of the house!”

All these things, because we’re going to make Germany BAD again! And this was how they were talking to us:

 

“You are going to make Germany bad again!”

So they are carrying the guilt, this false, phony guilt, the collective guilt, that the German people are supposed to have forever, and ever, and ever. And crawling on their knees, … to what?

And when you find out it’s a lie! I mean, this does create some anger, and this is where the “Spirit” is going to come back, and that yes, the European people have to regain their spirit, and their sense of responsibility to our people! And no, we are not guilty of all the bad things that happened on earth. I’m sure that there are many bad things that we have done, but we are not collectively guilty for all the bad things! We’ve been lied to about a lot of our history.

And, … so that… we do have the “empathy gene”, and we also have a high-trust society. That is how we’ve evolved, in the harsh winters, the seasons that, … It has to do with where our people spent thousands and thousands of years. And that this was actually [what] helped us survive. Helped us to survive in the harsh elements of the seasons. And we had to have a high-trust society, and that’s now being [used] against us.

So we trust that we’re being told the truth when we’re being told things by our teachers, and by our parents, who have been also misled. Then we have this “empathy gene”, and this has been used against us, been turned against us, and that’s why we, our people, are destroying us, … ourselves.

Like it’s written right into the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”:

“The goy will become agents of their own destruction”.

This is what we have to understand, and then we can get over this, … This terrible psychological indoctrination that we’ve faced.

Alfred: Yes. See, like a lot of this, the psychological warfare that they do, is they actually project their own characteristics onto their next intended victim. That’s why they firstly did it very successfully with the Germans, their projecting all this evil, all these evil, evil characteristics onto them. Which is actually their own characteristics. And then the jews themselves, who had holocausted of the Germans, … Then afterwards, held out their hand and said:

“‘Holocau$t’ … give me money, give me money!”

And now they’re doing the same thing, and they’ve expanded that business model to the entire White race! And it seems to be working very well, so far. But that is now coming to an end as people are waking up.

And the big downfall now for the jews, I guess, is that it has worked so well, because now it’s like a serial murderer, eventually you trip over one of your crimes and all the other ones get exposed and then you will be held accountable for all the other ones.

And the problem now with the jews, is that since they work as a collective, they will most likely be punished as a collective! And that is actually why it’s most important now for those jews who consider themselves innocent, and they probably are innocent, because they’ve been duped, just like we were duped, to waste no more time and come out, raise the white flag, ask for forgiveness; and I’m sure that we’ll be very forgiving.

But any jew, or any non-jew who still now supports the lies, is putting themselves in a very, very, precarious situation, because they cannot, … These lies are coming down faster than you can possibly imagine! And that’s the situation we’re in right now.

[19:57]

Brian: Yeah, I think it’s important for people to speak to others. Because others might be feeling the same way to get more people to talk, … Like, get this avalanche going!

Monika: Yeah, on that issue of jewish non-participation, they’ve been duped, they’re brainwashed right from the day they’re born. However, when they say to us:

“Oh, you can’t talk about those things!”

Like, for example in my hometown, before I was talking about the “Holocau$t”, when I was only talking about 9/11 and making some connections with Israel and Zionism, and this kind of thing with 9/11. The crime of 9/11. There were people who I had no idea that they were jewish, they had been friends of mine, or acquaintances of mine, with whom I was very friendly over the years that I’ve lived here, and suddenly they were shunning me and not talking to me!

Brian: Wow!

Monika: … and I couldn’t understand that. And then when I confronted them at some point — at first I just thought, maybe they’re going through a depression or something, really that’s how, it didn’t even occur to me that it was because of the things I was saying — but then when I confronted this one fellow in particular, he just lashed out at me and said:

 

“You’re going too far! You’re going to far! Talking about 9/11, and you’re just going too far!”

And then at that point I ask myself, well, wait a minute. Okay, maybe he’s been fooled by what the mainstream media has been telling us. However, if he’s telling me I cannot talk about these things, does that not make him complicit? Does that not make him complicit?

Brian: Maybe, … You didn’t know he was jewish? That’s an important thing, you didn’t know he was jewish.

Monika: And then afterwards, then I learned that he was jewish, and so that is the reason why he’s upset that I’m talking about 9/11! Now how much sense does that make?

… that, you know, that’s the problem.

Alfred: That I think, that puts him on the opposite side of humanity! That puts him on the side of the parasites!

Because when the hammer comes down, who’s guilty and who’s not guilty, these people, …you’d better hope that we’ve forgotten about these incidents, but if we remember these incidents. And I mean, because they’re doing this to, … Because they want to enslave us all! And, in fact, they want to actually get rid of the White Race!

So it’s a case of them, or us! Then we will do what is necessary, so that it won’t be us that’s going down! So remember that! Keep that in mind.

And so you say:

 

“You can’t go there!”

And I say:

 

“I am going there and if you want to stop me you’re in big trouble, because we are many and you are few, and we are all waking up!”

I want to go back to the police raid that was done against me.

Brian: Yeah, let’s do.

Alfred: They stole all my video equipment, because they say that is, … I’m producing, I’m inciting, I’m doing it, using it to incite racial hatred. They also stole all my “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth” DVDs that I had here. You know, a whole drawer full! They say that’s also illegal now, to have. Because that’s also incitement to racial hatred! So you see how they’re expanding the spectrum of what you’re not allowed to talk about? You see, now the forensic evidence, or just description of the forensic evidence of 9/11 is coming in as the same category as “Holocau$t denial”! So obviously… actually that helps us, because it makes it even just easier for even the zombies to understand that this is not right!

Monika: Right! I’m really glad you brought up Alfred. That they also stole those things from you, the 9/11 information. I want to point out to the listeners in case they are not familiar with “AE 9/11 Truth”. That’s, “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth”.

One of their hallmarks, I guess you could say, and they’ve been criticized for it, but I do want to point out that they never, ever, point a finger at “who did it”! They just put all the physical evidence of why these towers came down, due to controlled demolition, and not because of two planes hitting two buildings, and then three buildings came down [WTC 1, WTC2 and WTC7]. They talk about physical forensic evidence and they’ve stayed away from pointing a finger at who did it. They’ve always said:

 

“Look that’s for you to figure out, but here’s the forensic evidence.”

So really that does just expose them [the police and their controllers]!

Alfred: Of course.

Monika: … and it is now illegal!

Alfred: Yeah. Like when I say, when something like this raid happens, like against me, I say we have to deal with these things just like the Asian sports, the defence sports, like judo or something, where you take the energy that your opponent is coming at you with, and reverse it, and turn it against him. And that’s what this a raid has done, now for me.

[25:00]

First it’s a shock, you know:

“Oh shit, they stole all my stuff!”

But then I said okay, well now, .. That’s why I wrote that email then, and sent it out there to say the duplicity here.

They have been filling the minds, … they are raping the minds, of not only us, but our children now, with so many perversions and lies, and they make good money at it, like Schindler’s List and all these holohoax and stuff.

And then, now they want to impose huge fines on people in Germany, for what they claim is fake news or something. And at the same time anybody who is exposing what is actually happening, they steal their video equipment, like me. Or they steal the DVDs from Architects and Engineers, … They are so blatantly insane at this point in time, that there are fewer and fewer people who are going along with it. And this also brings a new strategy, that everyone here is trying to follow, is that anybody who is involved in these prosecutions against us, for revealing the truth, we want to expose these people.

No more anonymous prosecutors: Find out their name, full name, picture if possible. We’re going to put these things out on the Internet, and we are finding now that the courts are having a great deal of trouble to actually continue to do these prosecutions. You know, like this, when they did this raid now against me, it was B’nai Brith Canada that basically triggered it. And why are a bunch of jews in Canada getting the police here to come and raid, steal my stuff?

Then the courts have a problem! Then there will be some judge’s name or something on the paper, and that’s where they’re having a hard time finding people to still do that, because they know that we are now exposing them. No more, you know, just a court-house number, so and so. There will be a name of the judge who makes a decision and we are pushing that out on the Internet saying that is treason, and they will be accountable for that! And they know it!

So they’re all backing down, they’re running scared! And we’re also… like how blatant of a treason do you want to commit? Because it’s over, their lies truly are over!

And the censorship in Germany, you wouldn’t believe it! They’re censoring everything, it’s just, you know, … I mean, it’s insane!

Brian: That’s a great idea to name the judge’s name, and to put it on the Internet, make everything public. Public information. Yeah, great idea!

Alfred: Absolutely! So that’s the thing, yeah, yeah, anything else you want to add?

Monika: I’d like to just give encouragement to people that, you know, when they say:

 

“Well, even if you’re right, Monika, what can one person do about it really? Let’s just live our life and enjoy.”

And what not. But yes! You can make a difference! And the proof is: Why would they go after somebody like Alfred, and me, and after you Brian, as well? I know you suffered consequences. Why do they go after us so ferociously? It’s because we are making a difference! I mean the proof is right there, otherwise they wouldn’t care! You see, so that gives me some hope and encouragement, and I would give others the encouragement to please just, you know, you can figure these things out, you can educate yourself, you can educate others, you can do what you can.

And everybody has different ideas of what they can do. And I don’t want to try to, you know, tell people what they should do. We have our own imaginations and we can all contribute in different ways.

But to do nothing is not an option! Because we are facing an existential crisis! And yes, it is just absolutely so important. And also I would just say to those people who still don’t get it, and we do have people in our own family that really don’t get it. I would say:

 

“Well, how do you reconcile this violence of putting people in jail, or raiding their homes, or this total ostracization and shunning? How do you reconcile that with a free and democratic society? When what are we being punished for? —Words! Words! . Simple words!”

We have not gone out and clobbered somebody on the head with a sledgehammer! We have not committed murder, or robbed people, or broken in, or vandalized! No! We’re speaking words! And then they do these harsh things against us? —Well! How does …how do you reconcile that with a free and democratic society, so-called?

Brian: I know. And in Germany I just want to point out, if a man commits rape he might go to jail for one year, or maybe two. But if they deny the “Holocau$t” they can go to jail for five years, just for words!

Alfred: It’s insane, it’s insane!

Monika: Yes!

Alfred: And that is another reason why it’s important that you do something, is because the young people are all figuring it out now. In fact, you don’t now have to explain to young people anymore what “JQ” means. It means the “Jewish Question“. And so if you think that you can just sort of cruise along with your head in the sand, where it’s been so far, and it’ll be all okay, you’ll have to explain that to your children when they figured out and they say Mom, or Dad:

“Why didn’t you even TRY to do something!?”

Because us letting this continue without any resistance, is absolute, guaranteed, pure hell for all of us! Because we are in the cross-hairs to become exterminated!

[30:32]

Unless you’re one of the African invaders, and then it’s great for you, because you get to.. You’re the one who takes our houses and everything else! But we as the European founder settlers of the European countries and North America, are slated for destruction! So, if you are of White skin color, remember you’re in the cross-hairs! So do start doing something.

Monika: And we’re not just guessing that. They’ve been telling us that through all kinds of writings, …

Brian: The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan, since the twenties [1920s].

Alfred: Yeah, there’s this quote.. Let’s just quote Susan Sontag, for example, a jew and she said:

“The White race is the cancer of humanity!”

I mean, how about Noel Ignatiev. He said the same thing:

 

“The White race is the cancer of this earth” and “How can anybody think it’s not desirable to get rid of it?”

 

That’s what these people have said! Openly! Openly! When they do it openly and we just sit there and let it happen, and welcome in the invaders and give them our land, and our, you know, everything else, everything we have! Well that’s called suicide! That’s suicide!

Brian: Yep!

Monika: Calling it diversity when really they’re getting rid of DIVERSITY! — It is a fraud!

Brian: Yep!

Alfred: It’s a fraud!

Brian: Yes. Diversity is a code word for White genocide.

Yes, the sooner we speak up the better, the time to speak up is NOW! So our virtue burns the brightest! The fact that we’re doing this means the three of us have virtue to keep doing this, to keep going, to keep marching forward!

Monika: Thank you very much Brian.

Alfred: Yeah okay. Just one last thing I want to say.

Brian: Yeah, please do.

Alfred: The people who are coming out and understanding this, they find they suddenly have a new purpose in life, and feel energized, and they drop the bad habits they had. For example, alcohol and so forth and they started making themselves fit for the struggle and the fight that’s coming up!

And that is positive, because we Europeans are not used to having such an easy soft life, it’s not our nature. We have become what we are, because we’ve usually had to struggle, and this struggle that’s coming up is actually good for our spirit. I see people everywhere are, who understanding that, are coming to the same conclusion that we all three are — because what a wonderful time to be alive with this challenge to deal with!

Brian: And I really resonate with that! Because this is my first, the start of the Brian Ruhe Show in 2015, because this is my new purpose.

Please support the Brian Ruhe Shows, donate to the Brian Ruhe Show! Keep the mission going!

Thank you! We will be back another time.

Monika: Okay, Thank you!

Alfred: Thank you!

[34:14]

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