Mark Collett: On Thursday the 23rd of September, myself and Laura Towler met with Dominic Kennedy in a conference room in a hotel in Leeds. Dominic Kennedy is an investigative reporter working for The Times, Britain’s paper of record. Dominic Kennedy and The Times had spent six months investigating myself and Patriotic Alternative, with a view to publishing an expose.

 

Before this article was published we were given an opportunity to answer a series of questions. And we did. We not only answered those questions, but we asked a number of questions of our own. And we also recorded the entire exchange. Many people listening will have read the article.

 

But now, you can hear the full uncut interview with Dominic Kennedy, and come to your own conclusions about the way in which we were portrayed in the article that The Times chose to publish.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’m just [words unclear] Okay? Now what I’m going to do. I’m going to do it deliberately, so you can see it. Is, I’m going to switch on audio.

 

 

Mark Collett: Okay. So you’ll be recording this meeting?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes. And the real reason to record the meeting is well, I’m not going to record this, so …

 

Mark Collett: Is this audio, or visual and audio?

 

Dominic Kennedy: No, it’s not. So okay, this is my iPhone.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, that’s fine. We consent on recording, do you consent on recording.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And just to be clear I wanted to make sure that you’re aware that there’s an audio recording on.

 

Mark Collett: Yes,

 

Dominic Kennedy: Because I am aware that you have been both bugged, and also had experience of audio being recorded without you necessarily realizing it’s happening.

 

Mark Collett: Okay.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I don’t want that to be a misunderstanding.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’m going to also put on a different backup audio device.

 

Mark Collett: Yep.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And this is really, because, actually I’ll take shorter notes. But really this is to.

 

Mark Collett: No, we completely understand.

 

Dominic Kennedy: This is just so that if we can’t remember what was said or don’t agree.

 

Mark Collett: No, no. I have also brought some notes of my own, and a copy of my book as well.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’ve got your, …

 

Mark Collett: You’ve got my book!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah!

 

 

Mark Collett: Well that’s really interesting, because I maybe I could ask you a question?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: You sent Laura an email yesterday with a quote from my book.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: Now have you actually read my book in its entirety?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: So why did you choose to take one part of the book and misrepresent it in a defamatory manner?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, well, I’m putting a suggestion to both of you. I’m not publishing anything, certainly at this stage. And the point of that was to put the point to you, and give you the opportunity to come back, …

 

Mark Collett: No, but you’ve read the book.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And the book, … You must acknowledge that in this book – and I bought it with me. So you can see it in print.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And it’s available for free, so anyone can check it.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: In this book I make a big point, that firstly I don’t believe there will ever be a race war.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: I secondly make a point that those who claim there is going to be a race war are doing something and saying something that harms the nationalist cause.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And I take a dim view of that. And I’m just interested to know why you took a small section of this book, which is actually beneath a paragraph, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: Where I am saying that the people doing this are bad for the cause, shouldn’t be doing it, put the public off. And are actually spreading something that isn’t true. I don’t know why you do that Dominic. Because I think it, … It didn’t throw me. But I felt to cherry-pick something like that when you say you read the book. Now if you said you hadn’t read the book. And that was presented to you, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Then it might be misleading in some way and somebody could, … But for somebody who’d read the book – and I’ve seen the response Laura sent you – there are copy and paste paragraphs where I lay out in depth, that the whole idea of a race war is nonsensical and damaging to our cause, the nationalist cause. Not your cause, our cause.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

 

Mark Collett: And I also believe that the book clearly states that the only way forward is community action, and self-betterment. And community action and self-betterment is completely legal! That is a political aim! And I’m just a bit surprised. I didn’t know whether you had anything to say about that, why you chose to misleadingly pull that one bit out, and pretend I was saying something I wasn’t.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Is that like what you’re trying to do with this article?

 

Dominic Kennedy: No. It’s not. And also, I’m not sure I entirely accept your representation of that. Thank you for your robust email exchange which I appreciated. And I’ve taken the points that you’re making as well.

 

[05:03]

 

Now the, … If you go from that quotation, which is the quotation that I put, which is about what would be necessary if you were preparing for a race war, those appear to be some of the things that Patriotic Alternative is doing, with its fitness groups. Okay? Now, I think it’s reasonable to ask, is that what’s happening? Is that, …

 

Mark Collett: Can I answer that?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Absolutely not! Would it be reasonable to say that meeting in parks, we’re not meeting in secret gyms, we’re meeting outdoors in parks. We’re doing things like bleak [sp] tests, star jumps, general fitness. Would it be reasonable to say that health and fitness groups are part of legal, aboveboard, active communities, that care about the health and well-being of their members? Yes, they are.

 

Obviously physical and mental health is something that we are interested in. You know, because you’ve been investigating me for six months, I spend a lot of time at the gym. I used to be an avid mountain biker – I haven’t done it for a while. I’m an avid runner. I take part in assault courses and things like that.

 

 

None of that has anything to do with violence. It is to do with my personal fitness and well-being. And you are probably a few years older than me?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I am.

 

Mark Collett: So I’m 41 this year. And you will know yourself when you hit that age it is very easy to get out of shape. It’s very easy to lose your fitness. And I am very, very active in ensuring that I don’t lose my fitness. Because I think when people do, it often leads to a worse state of not only physical well-being, but mental well-being.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

 

Mark Collett: And team building between groups of people, … And this is very interesting as well, you focused on our fitness groups.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

 

Mark Collett: But that is again taking something very much out of context. We have baking competitions.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

 

Mark Collett: We have artistic events where people paint, produce music. We have gaming events. We have book clubs. We have all manner of different activities.

 

We go running together. These things when contextualized are part of a wider community approach that we have, that brings people together. Because we want people who are our supporters to come together, make friends, form a community. Because we are committed to community-based activity.

 

And one of the key points. And I’m sure you have been furnished with one of these. If you haven’t I can get Laura to send you one, or I will send you one, straight after this meeting. But you must have been furnished, and please tell me if you haven’t.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

 

Mark Collett: With one, or more copies of our code of conduct?

 

Dominic Kennedy: No.

 

Mark Collett: Okay we will furnish you that. Our code of conduct clearly states – and we will send you this from previous events. The codes of conduct differ slightly each time. And I will tell you why they differ. So there is no misunderstanding. If we hold outdoor events such as hikes, we have parts of our code of conduct which are about keeping your dog on a lead.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

 

Mark Collett: We also have parts about picking up litter and respecting the environment. If we have a code of conduct at, that is written specifically for an indoor conference, where members of staff will be serving tea and coffee, we have sections about being polite to the hotel staff, which is understandable.

 

But the core of our code of conduct is that anyone coming to our events, that either A) uses racial slurs, B) endorses, or calls for any form of violence, or C) endorses, or calls for any form of terrorism, is asked to leave! We do not tolerate that kind of behavior at our events.

 

And if somebody comes to me and says somebody has done that, we will look at the severity of the situation, and those people will be warned, or asked to leave. We have a code of conduct dealing with that. Because we are an absolutely peaceful organization that seeks political change through community building.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

 

Mark Collett: And if you look at our website, you will see that everything on there is about litter picks – that’s another thing we do. We’ve got a Harvest Festival coming up. We’ve gone out and fed the homeless. We do activities like that all over the country on a weekly, or monthly basis, depending on the location. Those things are clearly – I think you’ll agree – they’re not violent activities are they?

 

Dominic Kennedy: No, I agree.

 

[10:00]

 

Mark Collett: And if you take a fitness group and you put it in the context of everything else that’s happening, and you contextualize it correctly, as I am doing now, it is not sinister! It would be sinister, if it was attached to another group that was calling for things that we are not calling for. But it would be unfair and there are hours of recordings of me saying, that I do not believe in violence.

 

I do not, I totally dispute the idea of the being some kind of great conflict. That is in my book. And there is enough copies of that out there! I am committed to doing things in a peaceful manner. And that’s why I’m here talking to you today.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, thank you very much.

 

Laura Towler: In addition, if I might add something.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: I find it bizarre that there’s an accusation that people exercising must be, because of violence. I mean one of the reasons why I decided to get fit and healthy is, because my husband and I wanted a child.

 

So we began trying to conceive. And I wanted to be as physically fit and healthy as I could for my daughter. We also have a charity run [coughing], excuse me, coming up within the next month. Lots of people are training for the charity run. So we can raise some money for that.

 

They’re not training for something that we advocate against. That’s bizarre to me.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Now thank you and I am here to listen, and I’m listening to everything that you say, and taking note of what you’re saying. Okay? I’ll still put questions to you.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: So, because otherwise, …

 

Mark Collett: I think that’s the most important, that’s the most important thing I wanted to get over. That I feel that you have misrepresented me. You have put things in a way that paints my words in a defamatory manner. That’s not the way they’re intended and the proof is all there. That’s why I bought a copy of the book [chuckling]. And I am very eager to ensure, … That’s why I came today, that I am represented exactly as I wish to be intended.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Because misrepresentation is something that can damage my reputation! It can damage the reputation of the group that I represent. And it can damage the reputation of people associated with that group.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: And I am very clear to make sure, I’m here to make sure that that doesn’t happen.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Good. Now what you said in the book is that a race war is highly unlikely. And even if there was, Western man would not fare favorably.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Is that still your opinion?

 

Mark Collett: What, that a race war would be highly unlikely?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: The book was written in 2016

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Quite a lot has happened since 2016, especially in the United States to do with racial conflict and racial tensions, …

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Leading to violence.

 

Mark Collett: There will be, there may well be flare-ups in terms of violence between groups on smaller levels. But there will not be a race war! We have seen things like riots, and you have seen riots, you’ve seen anti-White racist attacks in America. We have seen anti-White racist attacks here in the UK.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: You have seen vicious anti-White racism in countries like South Africa, where rule has been transferred away from people of European descent to people who aren’t of European descent. We have seen land seizures, we have seen rapes, we have seen murders. And we are not saying there is going to be conflict on a gigantic scale.

 

But we are saying that we believe, due to the narrative that the establishment and the media pushes, that White people will increasingly become victims of these kind of attacks. And White people, as an ethnic group – so White Britons in this country, or White Anglo-Saxon Protestants in America – are the most atomized and isolated people. They are people who do not come together for their own ethnic interests.

 

Whereas almost every other group not only does that, but are encouraged by the establishment and the media to do that. And we simply want to advocate peacefully for our rights as every other racial group is encouraged to do!

 

So I’ll give you an example. When people march through London with “Black Lives Matter” banners, it is cheered on by the media. When there are Covid restrictions in place, which prevents large gatherings, and “Black Lives Matter” march through London these people are given a free pass, despite everyone else being told they can’t gather.

 

Yet when somebody goes on a hike and holds up a White Lives Matter banner, everyone is gasping! Well we are allowed to say that the lives of people from our ethnic group matter! That is surely not something that is objectionable.

 

And we are also allowed to advocate for the rights of our people when horrific crimes are perpetrated against our people, then ignored by the media, or by the establishment, or are played down in a way that minimizes the suffering of people who have suffered greatly.

 

Whereas if the races were reversed in those crimes, the suffering of the victim would be maximized and everyone would hear about it. We are really calling for nothing more than equal treatment for people of European descent.

 

[15:47]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And we’re doing so peacefully.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Now, you know, Al-Muhajiroun, don’t you?

 

Mark Collett: I have heard of them, yes. I’m aware of them as a group. I have never looked into them I haven’t got, yeah, extensive knowledge of them.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I mean, they, … I think you might have staged a protest against them a very long time ago. Which was about the 9/11 attack, celebrating 9/11.

 

Mark Collett: I believe the protest you’re talking about was outside a mosque in London.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Probably the Finsbury Park Mosque.

 

Mark Collett: The Finsbury Park Mosque.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And if I remember correctly, because this was a long time ago! I think this was about the year 2000, or 2001. I don’t believe the leaflets were specifically about the group you’ve mentioned.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: To the best of my recollection. And this is a long time ago, so normally people aren’t meant to remember the wording of a leaflet that came out 20 years ago. Would you think that’s reasonable, that I would not necessarily remember what was on it?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: My recollection of that night is we went down there and we were protesting about what was being preached in that particular mosque. I cannot remember the name of the group on the leaflet.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Or even if a name of a group was on, said leaflets.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, okay. Now thank you. Al-Muhajiroun was a group. But when I first encountered them they had a Sheikh called Sheikh Bakri Muhammad based at the Finsbury Park Mosque.

 

 

And at that time they were kind of basically doing exercises like running around in fields, getting guys to be fit, getting young men to go and do all that kind of thing. Which didn’t, doesn’t look completely different from the fitness groups that you’ve got. And I remember saying at the time to people who were concerned about this:

 

“This is just Muslim Boy Scouts. There’s nothing to worry about here.”

 

That was very naive of me. Because over the next 20 years they became the main source of terror plots in Britain. And they’re responsible for the killers of Lee Rigby, the London bombings, and the aeroplane plot, as well.

 

Now I spoke to a security expert, who is familiar with Al-Muhajiroun. He’s just concerned that this type of activity, physical training, with a political purpose, …

 

Mark Collett: There isn’t a political purpose to the physical training. The physical training, as I said,

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: Is for people’s health and fitness. And it’s to build community bonds. And I think comparing us to a completely different group, run by completely different people, with completely different objectives, is very, very tenuous! I think this is a very, very tenuous point you’re making here!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Now, I’d be very interested to hear what this security expert says. And I’d also be very interested to hear if the group that you are very misleadingly trying to connect us, or compare us to, also did all the other community activities we did, and were above board in the way we were, or where we are.

 

The fact of the matter is, I don’t think that, because one group holds fitness events, then becomes something unconscionable. You can say that every group that holds fitness events will also become what that terrible group became. That would be very unfair.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, that’s a very strange argument. That’s like saying:

 

“This mass murderer was a vegetarian. You’re also a vegetarian. You’re going to do what he did.”

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Laura Towler: I mean, we only advocate for peaceful community building. We have a applications they’ve made with the Electoral Commission so that we can carry out our democratic right as a political party. That’s all we advocate for. And we like to stay fit and healthy.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: That’s it.

 

[20:02]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Are you saying that the fitness groups in Patriotic Alternative, are not political?

 

Mark Collett: Can you qualify that? Because, what do you mean by “not political”? Because this is very strange! Because obviously we are a group of people that come together with a shared interest in politics.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: People then make friends. And then they do things together as friends. They might play games, they might bake cakes, they might do community outreach things, they might keep fit.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: So obviously, the people do have things in common.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: But to say the fitness groups are political, I’m not even sure what that means. So leafleting would be something that was definitely political.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: A book review may be political, depending on the book you’re reviewing. A baking competition, even though it is being done by a political organization, is it truly political? Is doing star jumps in a field, political? I’m asking you that Dominic. Because I think it’s a very strange and leading question to ask.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Which really doesn’t have any sensible, or qualifiable answer.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. I’ll take your point. Now, what started us off was, looking at Patriotic Alternative was the Sarah Khan Report. Now, one of my colleagues reported on the Sarah Khan Report. And I know you take exception to it.

 

Mark Collett: No. We’ve issued a full response. Have you got a copy of that?

 

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, I’ve read that, yeah. And I believe that you didn’t get a response.

 

Mark Collett: We’ve not got any response! We’ve not got a meeting, …

 

Laura Towler: She’s retired, …

 

Mark Collett: Yep, she’s retired. But we didn’t even get a response from her. We were told it would be forwarded to the people who authored the report. They haven’t issued a response. We made it clear, numerous times in our response, what our aims and objectives were.

 

We pointed out that we were committed to peaceful change! And we also pointed out that taking away Avenues for peaceful change and political discourse, is actually very dangerous.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: And it almost also must be pointed out in the Sara Khan Report, that Sarah Khan said:

 

“We were operating within the law.”

 

And I find it. And I don’t know what you think about this, but when a government says:

 

“This group is operating within the law. So we want to change the law to make sure they’re operating outside of the law.”

 

Does that not sound somewhat tyrannical to you Dominic?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Well, I’m not going to express an opinion. But I can see that is your opinion.

 

Mark Collett: No. But what I’m saying is, if somebody isn’t breaking a law. And they are doing everything within the legal system, and legal parameters. And then the government don’t like what they’re saying, so choose to shift those parameters, is that not somewhat unfair?

 

And I know you’re going to say you can’t express an opinion. But that is what’s called, in any reasonable terminology, moving the goal posts.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I mean, the whole point of this was that she said that the law was inadequate to deal with what she saw was a problem. So she wanted to change the law. And introduce a new law which appeared to kind of have you pretty much in the frame.

 

Mark Collett: But that’s what I’m saying. So she doesn’t like what we’re saying. She acknowledges what we’re saying is completely legal. She then states that, because she doesn’t like it, and because it’s legal, the government has changed the law, and make what we’re doing illegal!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: So what happens then Dominic, so we say:

 

“Right, we are going to alter what we say. And we are going to abide by the new laws.”

 

What happens then? Do they change the law again? Do you change the law every year to chase people who you disagree with? Because that isn’t a democracy! That isn’t freedom of speech! That’s a tyranny!

 

And then you are walking down the road of heading towards the Soviet Union! Heading towards a system whereby anybody that speaks outside the law, disappears, because they change the law to deal with that person.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: One of the examples that she gave in her report were part of, quote, unquote, “hateful extremism”, was us talking about the White British, the current trajectory that we’re on, being that we’ll be a minority within the United Kingdom by the year 2066.

 

So it was actually sharing the statistics, which are from the government’s own website, she said was an example of quote, unquote “hateful extremism”. So we’re in a situation now where she wants to, and her colleague, I think Mark Rowley?

 

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Laura Towler: Mark Rowley, want to make sharing facts from the Conservative Party’s own website, illegal!

 

[25:00]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So what my editor said to me was, they’d be interested to know where you get your money from, and how you stay within the law. They were the two initial questions I was, …

 

Mark Collett: Okay. What else would you like me to say about staying within the law?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And I just said, then going on from that. Starting to look at you and Patriotic Alternative. There’s clearly, I would say you were probably, on your part of the political spectrum, the most chronicled person there’s been since Mosley. You’ve had three TV documentaries about yourself. So there’s been a lot of stuff, …

 

Mark Collett: Should I take that as a compliment?

 

Laura Towler: [words unclear] as a compliment [chuckling].

 

Dominic Kennedy: You can take it which way you like [chuckling]. But I was a bit overwhelmed by the amount of material there already is.

 

Mark Collett: There’s a huge amount of material about me. But going back to the legal things. Is there anything else you want to add to that section of the interview?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah this is a bit of an introduction, because we didn’t do the introduction because you wanted to raise a point about the email yesterday, which is fine. So this has been an interruption. So there’s a lot of other matters I have looked into. And I’ll raise points about those that are open to inquiry still.

 

Mark Collett: Okay.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But also some things have been closed down very much. So to go, … Are you able to get help with the money at all? Where the money comes from? How much money you have?

 

Mark Collett: Oh! I’m very open about this. Patriotic Alternative is registered with Companies House as a company that is limited by guarantee.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Limited by guarantee is the way that charities and non-profit organizations are set up. We do not exist for profit.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: We will have to give accounts to companies house of anyone who has made a donation to Patriotic Alternative that has gone through Patriotic Alternative’s bank account. We keep the accounts. They are fully up to date. We are very open about that.

 

Nobody, other than Laura, has taken a wage from Patriotic Alternative, which she did for just four months. And those wages were 500 pounds a month. Now I’m not going to ask you how much you earn a month.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: But I am guessing – you can you tell me if I’m right, or wrong – it’s significantly more than 500 pounds a month.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Everything that myself and Laura get, other than that, to support our costs of living are done very openly, via donations made during live streams. I have never taken away from Patriotic Alternatives. You can see exactly what I take in donations from live streams. And every month it amounts to a dollar value of when the processor takes their cut, and all the other things are done, I think it amounts to about 1,400 to 1,500 [US] dollars. Now, at a conversion rate that is not a huge amount of money.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: I think you can agree with that. And I am being very honest.

 

Now, neither of myself, nor Laura, are paid by the public purse. We are not people who are paid out of taxpayers money. I do not believe the Avenue of questioning you’re going down is particularly fair.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Based on the fact that we are not paid for out of the public purse. And what we have done here – I hope you will agree – is that we have been extremely honest! I have come forth and I’ve given you figures. I’ve explained that donations that go to Patriotic Alternative will be made public through companies house, which they will have to be, because everyone has to submit accounts will be struck off.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And the way I take donations can be seen.

 

So, if somebody gives a $20 Superchat, of that $20 Superchat, I would get 85% of that. At which point that then has to be converted from dollar value into British pounds, which obviously reduces it. And then there is a small currency conversion fee. This does not leave me making the kind of money that detractors like to claim that I am making! And I am sure as you’ve been investigating me, for the past six months, you have watched some of my streams, yes?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Oh yes.

 

Mark Collett: And you will see that I am not, and you must have also seen other streamers, other well-known streamers who make serious amounts of money through YouTube, or their own proprietary platforms. We do not have our own platform like that. Patriotic Alternative has been denied money processing payment facilities. We have made that public.

 

So Patriotic Alternative, as a group, has not even been allowed to take payments for a number of months! Something that we made public some time ago.

 

And on top of that, because of my opinions, both myself and Laura, actually have been denied banking facilities with two major banks, despite the fact both of us have never, ever, committed fraud, or have been in arrears with any form of payments to the banks.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Again, this is political repression.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

[30:54]

 

 

And so to clarify then, if you are doing a show and people are making donations during the live stream, which you kind of read out with the messages, and so on, at the end, is that to Patriotic Alternative the limited company, or is that for the presenter? Which is likely, …

 

Mark Collett: We always make clear at the beginning of the show what the money goes towards. Now with my show I will say at the beginning, those donations go towards either what I see as good causes, or towards my cost of living. Because I think we have to agree Dominic, I do have to eat!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Now, the fact is I will sometimes purchase leaflets and banners to help with events, out of that money, but the money, it states on the stream where it goes. And Laura states on of all of her donation platforms where the money goes. We are very, very honest about that. And we say:

 

“If you want to support us in that way you can.”

 

And at one point we used to say:

 

“If you want to support, send money directly to Patriotic Alternative.”

 

We will not take out of that. And other than when Laura was taken a wage for just a short number of months, they can do that. People can’t donate there anymore, because of the oppression that we face!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Why can’t, sorry why can’t they donate to Patriotic Alternative?

 

Mark Collett: Because we’ve been denied payment processing.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Right!

 

Laura Towler: We’ve been suspended from everywhere.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah! We’ve been denied payment processing through Stripe. And because of that, we cannot attain a payment processor in this country!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: We have not, … This is a situation we face. So there isn’t huge funding. And I can assure you the money, … How much money do you think we’ve got in our Patriotic Alternative bank account?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Well, not very much.

 

Mark Collett: Exactly! Exactly! Not very much! Because we can’t take payments.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But also, do people want to donate to that company, or do they want to donate to support you, …

 

Mark Collett: Wait a second. When you say “that company”

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah [words unclear].

 

Mark Collett: I want to qualify this too. Do you understand why we set up as a company limited by guarantee?

 

Dominic Kennedy: No.

 

Mark Collett: And I don’t want this to be mixed up in any way. And I don’t want you to misinform your readers if you do choose to write an article.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: The British National Party was constituted as what is known as an “unincorporated association”

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Do, you know how unincorporated associations work?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’m not as a lawyer.

 

Mark Collett: Would you like me to explain it?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Please do.

 

Mark Collett: An “unincorporated association” is essentially a “loose affiliation of people”. And as a legal entity it doesn’t strictly exist. It is a gray area.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: That means that anybody who is a registered office holder, anybody who signs an agreement on behalf of that unincorporated association, or any member, thereof, can be liable for it’s debts.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Now in reality, to say that any member can be liable for it’s debts, technically that’s true. But there has never been a case whereby an unincorporated association has been sued. And all of its members have been brought before the court and asked to chip in to pay a debt. But, there have been cases – several of them with the British National Party – where people who signed agreements on the party’s behalf were taken to court.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Nick Griffin was made bankrupt a second time, because he initiated numerous legal actions on the party’s behalf, but he signed the paperwork. He then refused to pay his legal fees. He was made bankrupt for a second time.

 

And a man called Adam Walker signed an agreement on the party’s behalf with me. The agreement was not met. And I successfully sued him in a court of law. And it was him who had to bear the burden of those costs. Just as Nick Griffin had to bear the burden of the legal costs, even though those people signed on behalf of the unincorporated association.

 

By setting up an organization as a company that’s either limited, or limited by guarantee, you protect your office holders, signatories, and ultimately anybody who is a registered member.

 

We do not have members. We do not charge a membership fee. But it is a legal protection for people.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And this is not something that is irregular. Nigel Farage constituted the Brexit Party in exactly the same way. And so do numerous other parties. And if you look behind organizations like the Conservative Party, or the Labour Party, they will have limited companies set up to deal with things like wages, etcetera.

 

So if there are legal fallouts, office holders themselves don’t put up their own property as collateral. So is that clear?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Thank you, yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And, by the way, we were advised on that by a practicing legal professional in this country. This isn’t something that we’ve just pulled up. This is legal precedent.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And, if I wrote a cheque now to Patriotic Alternative could, …

 

Mark Collett: We’d have to destroy that.

 

Laura Towler: We couldn’t, …

 

Mark Collett: We can’t cash cheques.

 

Dominic Kennedy: So, yeah? You have no, … Patriotic Alternative has no, …

 

Mark Collett: At the moment, the only people we could get to open account with, can’t deal with cheques.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: The only way we could take things is via payments via Stripe, by credit card processing. When that was denied to us that was the end of it.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Leaving us as you said, not very much in the bank account!

 

[36:56]

 

Dominic Kennedy: What happened before you were denied the Stripe?

 

Mark Collett: Well we took, we had a donation button on the website. However, and I want to make this absolutely clear Dominic.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: We have not once sent out a “begging letter”. Do you understand what a begging letter is?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I can well imagine.

 

Mark Collett: Are you frequented with groups like Britain First?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I think I know the point you’re making.

 

Mark Collett: Yes. They send out on average, three to four emails – sometimes more – per week, asking for funds. We have never sent out an email asking for funds. The only thing we have ever sent out emails for, is if there is an activity, or a particular event that people should be looking out for.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. So you used to have a donation button on the website, …

 

Mark Collett: But we never sent out emails.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But someone could read the website and say I want to give, …

 

Mark Collett: 10, 20 pounds. Whatever they wanted!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Whatever they wanted.

 

Dominic Kennedy: To this group, …

 

Mark Collett: These were usually small sums.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And you could receive those?

 

Mark Collett: Yes. But we can no longer do that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Where does it sort of go to?

 

Mark Collett: It goes into the bank account?

 

Dominic Kennedy: But, do you have a bank account, then?

 

Mark Collett: I’ve just said. We have an account.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: We are not able to process checks with that particular account.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: But we have a bank account. It goes into a bank account in the name of Patriotic Alternative.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: The money sits in there and it is used very sparingly. The biggest outgoing that we have ever paid is quite simply – and Laura can back this up – on web hosting. It is just maintaining the website. That is our one recurring thing per month.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And occasionally if something needs to be purchased, such as PO Box, or something like that. It goes towards that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And did Laura’s salary come from that at one point?

 

Mark Collett: For four months.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay.

 

Mark Collett: And that salary was 500 pounds.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Five hundred pounds a month, yeah. So you have a bank account, but the bank cannot process checks, and you cannot receive money online, because you have no online facilities.

 

Mark Collett: Yes!

 

Laura Towler: You need a payment processor on the website to be able to take donations.

 

Mark Collett: Can I ask something? Where this is leading? So obviously you’ve got something. Have you been informed that we’re somehow taking vast sums of money, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: No.

 

Mark Collett: Or that there’s some, … Because we’re being more transparent with you now, I hope you can agree, than any other political party would be asked to be, with anybody. Even with their own members.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Well, you’re being transparent certainly. I can’t compare. But you’re being transparent, …

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: By answering questions. And thank you.

 

Mark Collett: Okay.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And, no the reason I’m returning to this, is simply that the first question was asked was, where does the money come from?

 

Mark Collett: To anybody who chooses to donate based on either coming to the website, seeing someone we like, going to the website, that’s where it came from. It doesn’t come from anywhere, anymore, because people who go and wish to make a donation cannot!

 

[40:00]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So how did you lose the payment processing facility?

 

Mark Collett: People complained! People complained to Stripe. There was a campaign by our political opponents, by people who want to silence freedom of speech! And they had it taken away from us. There is nothing we can do to rectify that. So, unfortunately we are in the position we are in. And we run things on a shoestring.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: We lose everything! We lose YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, personal bank accounts, payment processes, anything that we use, we’re then harassed by the far Left, who gets us suspended from things.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So you do have a small amount of money in the Patriotic Alternative.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But you can’t increase that at the moment. Is that correct?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: So you’re just stuck with what you’ve got?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Until we get another payment process, which we’re working on. But, because of what’s happened with Stripe, that makes it very difficult. Because, if you are rejected for whatever reason by the biggest, it gets increasingly harder to get anyone else to do it!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And bear in mind, as I said, both myself and Laura have clean criminal records. We’ve never been committed of any offense to do with fraud, or banking malpractice. Yet, we have to face this.

 

Dominic Kennedy: With the Amazon book, what money does that make? Is that making much money? Does that, …

 

Mark Collett: No! No [chuckling]! You don’t make much money off a self-published book [laughing]!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: I’m not [laughing], I’ve not written Harry Potter!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, yeah. And you do, and I just want to point this out Dominic, I also feel it’s a bit naughty asking that question, because you’ve been investigating me!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: You’ve been to my website the fall of westerman.com.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: What is the biggest point on that website, other than the book itself?

 

Dominic Kennedy: It’s free download.

 

Mark Collett: It’s free!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: So when you can get something for free, are many people are going to come and pay for it? Now, it’s had a lot of downloads. It’s had over 30,000 downloads. But I can tell you [chuckling] it has had nowhere near that number of sales I don’t know how many it is actually sold in total. But I can tell you it’s nowhere near that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And how much does Amazon keep?

 

Mark Collett: The vast majority! The vast majority!

 

Dominic Kennedy: I went on Amazon to look for what they keep, and they seem to keep 85%. Would that sound about right?

 

Mark Collett: Umm, I would say, probably about right. I mean, I to be honest, it’s very small sums each month. It’s not something you could live off. I mean, if you totalled it up, throughout the year, and put it in a little pot, you might have enough for a holiday, or a treat, or something. But it’s not a vast sum of money!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Do, you know how many sales it’s had on Amazon?

 

Mark Collett: I don’t. If you’d have asked me to bring the sales data, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: But you’ve got to remember as well this book launched on the, I think it was the first of January, 2017. So it’s been in circulation for quite a while. So when I give you figures of downloads I’m not even sure how many times it has been downloaded.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: But it was over, the last time I checked it was over 30,000 downloads.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But, because it’s free, … I mean, that the point, … Is the purpose of the book propaganda, basically? That’s the point isn’t it?

 

Mark Collett: No! No! The purpose of the book, is that I wrote a book that I thought was an interesting analysis of the current situation we’re in. The book actually helps people to understand how they are being misled and undermined, by what I see as negative influences. And it educates people into how to make something better of their own lives. That is the point of the book.

 

It’s about a rebirth of individuals. And a lot of people have read this book, and have sent me very, very kind emails, saying:

 

“I read the book. I didn’t understand where I was going wrong. I had many negative lifestyle traits which I thought were fun, enjoyable. But they were leading me down a dark route. They were damaging me as a person. Thank you for writing the book. And thank you for making it free.”

 

But the book certainly wasn’t written as a propaganda. I mean, you’ve read!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: It’s not really propaganda is it? It’s not really, you must join a movement, or you must do this, or you must do that. I’m sure you must agree when you actually look at the chapter headings. I mean, the last chapter heading is all about how to make something better of your life. Surely you took that from it?

 

Dominic Kennedy: So would you basically say the purpose of the book was education?

 

Mark Collett: Education and self-improvement.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. Then, how have you stayed within the law? [Lol! Dominic, have you stopped beating your wife, yet? Yes, or no!].

 

[45:00]

 

Mark Collett: How have we stayed in the law? Well the law is very clear on things such as incitement. And we don’t incite anybody to do anything illegal. We don’t incite people to hate. We don’t speak hatefully about others.

 

You must be well aware that there are a number of people who attend Patriotic Alternative events and support us both, by attending events and support us with donations through our streams, who are not of European descent.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: You must be aware of those, because you’ve watched the streams. You must see the names coming up. There are people who support us and attend our events, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Who are, some of them are, actually of African descent. Some of them are mixed race, some of them are a number of Arabs, Indian, Japanese, all manner of people from all corners of the world have supported us on these streams. You must see that! You must see the names!

 

There’s a guy who regularly donates he calls himself “Glenn the Chinaman”. He has said he is of Taiwanese descent. He lives in Japan. He’s been honest about this on the streams. He supports us.

 

Now this isn’t, … Our group advocates for the interests of people of European descent. But we are very, very happy to work with people of different racial, or ethnic backgrounds. And people like that have never been excluded.

 

You must have seen pictures from some of our events, where there are women who are half Pakistani, there have been women there who are half Indian. We have had people there who are Egyptian. And there are pictures of me with them.

 

I have a guy who regularly writes to me, and he is of African descent, and he’s very concerned about mass immigration, about demographic change, in European countries. And he’s overwhelmingly supportive of us.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. But are there certain triggers that you’ve been told about and aware of, which might put you onto the wrong side of the law?

 

Mark Collett: We just act in a proper manner. So we know, for example, from my experience with the British National Party and their wrangle with the Equalities Commission, about excluding people based on protected characteristics, which is something that we have never done!

 

And again, this may shock you. But if you came to one of our one of our camps, one of our dinner meetings, one of our fitness meetings, you would see people there of different ethnic groups. We haven’t excluded anyone.

 

I’ll take it a step further. You have been watching my streams, you must be aware of the service I carry out whereby I help young people with professional CVs. Are you aware of that?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Not really, to be honest, no.

 

Mark Collett: Well I do. If there are young people who are attached in any way to our movement, they are struggling getting the job, I coach them. I do what’s called a professional CV for them. And I coach them with their interview techniques.

 

Now it might shock you. But I have done several CVs for people who are not of European descent, who have then gone on and got jobs, because of it.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: So again we do not discriminate against people. We say we stand up, as I said, earlier, peacefully and politically for our ethnic group. And if there are other people from other ethnic groups that say:

 

“Well that aligns with my thinking. And I want to come and get involved. I want to help. I want to attend events.”

 

We let them attend events.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Does Robin Tilbrook advise you on [word unclear]

 

Mark Collett: People know about my relationship with Robin Tilbrook, but he’s not a criminal solicitor. You must be aware he deals with civil law.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And obviously Dominic we are on the same page. I’m just wanting this to clarify this. You do understand the difference between, you obviously understand the difference between civil and criminal law?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: He’s not a criminal solicitor. But we do not do anything that is illegal.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And we are very open to being helped by anybody, and holding out the hand of friendship, to all those who are concerned about the well-being of European descent. Whether they are of European descent, or not.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. What happened leading to your arrest for threats to kill?

 

Mark Collett: Look! I want to be very clear about that. This was 11 years ago.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: People fell out in the British National Party. The matter was dealt with by the police. The police arrested me. That is true. They did not charge me. No evidence was presented to the police to corroborate the claim. The police released me without charge. As such, I never even went to court, let alone got a criminal record.

 

Now, whilst I was being investigated for the alleged threats to kill, … And I want to ask you this, because I want to be completely [word unclear]. Do, you know how a “threats to kill” case works?

 

[50:01]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Not specifically.

 

Mark Collett: Not specifically. Well “threats to kill” case is interesting, because it is somewhat of an anomaly within the British criminal justice system. And not only does the accused, not only does it have to be proved that the accused said what they are accused of saying, but also the accuser has to prove that they themselves were genuinely in fear of their lives. Is that clear?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

 

Mark Collett: Do you understand the implications of that?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: The implications are that if you were sat with a friend and you were enjoying yourselves one night and you kept winding him up, or saying something, and he made an off-the-cuff comment. And it was said in jest, you would not be able to prosecute him, because even though he said it, you were not taking it seriously and in fear of your life. So it makes a big difference between off the cuff comments. Now when somebody is being investigated for threats to kill, the accusers are not allowed in any way to make contact with the person they’ve accused. Do you know, why that is?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Well, that would be perversion of justice.

 

Mark Collett: No. It’s because it would show that they were not actually in fear of their lives. Because, if you thought somebody was hunting you.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: With the intention of killing you, would you be phoning them and having chats with them?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Good point.

 

Mark Collett: Both of the men that accused me, made contact with me numerous times. One of them made contact directly on multiple occasions by a telephone. And at the time I actually recorded those interactions for my own safety. The other one made contact numerous times through a third party, because he believed it didn’t count if you passed little notes to another person. It absolutely counts!

 

The police called me. They said the case was being completely dropped and dismissed. The officer who called me. I do not remember his name, it was a long time ago. Said:

 

“He felt that time had been wasted.”

 

And he felt the whole thing was just a nonsense.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: It was never taken any further. And there was never any credible evidence presented to them. And, as I say, I want to underline this. Both of my accusers have had contacted me, undermining the case. And since then one of my accusers has regularly contacted me! Regularly contacted me! And even come to me and repeatedly offered me paid work.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Now if somebody had seriously threatened to murder you Dominic and you’re in position to offer somebody paid work whatever that may be, would you have offered the person who had actually threatened to kill you paid work?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, it’s unlikely, isn’t it.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Very unlikely!

 

Mark Collett: Well, is it a no, or a yes?

 

Dominic Kennedy: No I wouldn’t.

 

Mark Collett: No.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Was their a tape? Did you ever hear a tape?

 

Mark Collett: If somebody has cobbled together something that sounds like a tape of me allegedly saying things, as far as I’m concerned, I dismiss that. I have answered this question to the [chuckling] best of my ability.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And the fact of the matter is, it was dealt with by the police. And I think I have fully made clear, that not only did the police dismiss it. Not only do they think it was farcical. But both of my accusers broke all of the protocols when dealing with that case. And one has since repeatedly offered me paid work.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And so, I won’t ask you again. I won’t bother with this again, but did you ever, was that tape ever presented to you? Was it, do you ever, …

 

Mark Collett: As I said, I’ve never had, no evidence has been presented to me.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And I have said clearly, no evidence was presented to the police.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Now around that time there was obviously an extraordinary thing for one of the senior people in a political party to be arrested on suspicion of threatening to kill somebody else in the political party, in the run up to a general election campaign. That’s quite unusual.

 

Mark Collett: It is extraordinary, it is.

 

Dominic Kennedy: So there was obviously feuding and disputes going on within the BNP at that time.

 

Mark Collett: Indeed there was.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And one of the things that was being said was that you were taking a mark-up on the print works that you were ordering, for things like, …

 

Mark Collett: That is absolutely untrue!

 

Dominic Kennedy: But it was being said, was it?

 

[55:02]

 

Mark Collett: Nick Griffin, … This is something that needs quite a bit of explanation. Because there’s, … I think it’s very unfair you’re asking me about this, … Because again before I go and give you an answer, which I possibly shouldn’t even bother doing. Because firstly I have never been arrested. No information has ever been passed to the police. I have never been charged. And I have never been found guilty of anything!

 

And I certainly have never misappropriated any funds like that. However I was carrying out work on behalf of the British National Party. And when you print large quantities of leaflets, sometimes you put different groups of printing together to reduce overall costs.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: Do, you know how print runs work? You don’t? Okay. Let’s say you have one leaflet you’re printing one leaflet, 5,000 copies of said leaflet. If you go to what is known as a lithographic press. And you get one set of 5,000 leaflets printed, that will cost you quite a bit of money. And the reason it costs you quite a bit of money is to set up lifographic presses. There is a setup cost of what is known as plates. Are you aware of that?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Right.

 

Mark Collett: And the setting up of the press is the largest cost. The paper in the ink is the cheap bit. So what we used to do, is we used to say:

 

“If you are standing an election, and you want 5,000 leaflets, try to find three other people who also want five thousand leaflets.”

 

Because four leaflets can be printed on the press at the same time. Then you get what is known as economics of scale. You are familiar with that?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Economics of scale mean that that large setup cost is split between the four different people who are having their leaflets printed. Now sometimes you end up with three people who want five thousand leaflets and your fourth only wants four thousand.

 

Now if you were to print the three five thousands together, they would split the setup costs. Which let’s say the setup cost of 250 pounds. They’re split three ways. But then you would have to set up a completely different set of plates, films, and set up the press for the one set of four thousand. Or you can put the one set of four thousand in with the five thousand, so the press is completely full. But you then say to the people:

 

“You’re all getting your leaflets cheaper. But Mr Four Thousand has actually got 5,000 leaflets and has to pay the same amount as the five 5,000 guys.”

 

But that’s still significantly cheaper than if he’d had the press on his own.

 

Now this led to a misunderstanding with a couple of guys, who ended up with a thousand extra leaflets. Nick Griffin came to me and said these two guys have complained. He said:

 

“I want to look over all the accounts and how this was set up.”

 

I presented him fully with every single one of the print bills, the leaflets that were set up in groups of four.

 

And he stood up in front of a National Conference and stated, unequivocally, that he had seen all of the way that the printing was set up. That it was done in the most efficient way. And although a small number of people, because of the way print runs are set up, had received maybe a thousand extra leaflets. Those people had still made a substantial saving. Do you understand that is that all completely clear?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And after that, at a later date, he then said:

 

“Oh! Well actually none of that happened. And there was dodgy things about the printing.”

 

He never elaborated, he never laid out any facts. It was merely a smear campaign.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Now, I will also ask you this Dominic. I worked with Nick Griffin for 10 years.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: If in that time I had been up to something like that, which I absolutely was not! How come he only said it – and after he looked through all my accounts, all the printing setups, the way the printing was done. Why did he only mention something when we’d fallen out?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: Because that would implicate him somewhat.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: But he gave everything I did a full Bill of health. And not only, not only did he looks over that, the party had a Treasury Department. And the Treasury Department had to check everything as well. So they saw all copies of all printing bills. This was a complete fabrication on his behalf! That was fabricated based on a simple misunderstanding, because a couple of guys didn’t understand the economics of scale within the print industry.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And I can even send you documents that the party used to send out saying:

 

“Please group your leaflets into sets of four to make the maximum saving on your leaflet.”

 

So that even went out.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: With all information at each election time.

 

[60:36]

 

Dominic Kennedy: You said you’ve never misappropriated any funds. And this was a smear campaign.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I have no reason to doubt.

 

Mark Collett: Okay.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Fine, thank you. Now what was your involvement with Western Spring and how it’s ideas and methods affected Patriotic Alternative?

 

Mark Collett: Western Spring used to hold camping events. I attended, was it two Western Spring camping events? And they didn’t hold any more. Western Spring camping events aren’t something that we have followed. We do not follow their methodology. They are a legal group. They, to my knowledge, unless, you know, something different, they have never broken the law, or ever been in any trouble with the law. We have a cordial relationship with those involved. But that is all.

 

They don’t have any involvement, or role, in Patriotic Alternative. And as you will know at Western Spring camps there was some martial arts, as well as hiking. We do not replicate that in any way. None of our, or our annual PA camp does not feature martial arts.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: It is simply hiking, food, and getting bitten by numerous insects!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Is there a particular reason why you don’t do martial arts?

 

Mark Collett: As a family camp, … Western Spring was more based around physical activity and youngsters, whereas when we hold camps they’re family events. So it wouldn’t have any fit with our community building.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And now can we try to nail National Action, please?

 

Mark Collett: Yes! I’m open to any questions on this!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Great! So, how close was your involvement with Alex Davis, Ben Raymond, and National Action?

 

Mark Collett: I have had no real interactions, other than maybe Facebook with Benjamin Raymond. There’s no love lost between us. I think the guy was a liability. I think the guy did many, many stupid things. And I think he’s put people at risk.

 

I have met Alex Davis, on one occasion. Alex Davis seems to be somebody who wanted to pull away from Ben Raymond. This was a long time ago when I met Alex Davis. I think it was in 20, … I think it would be 2016. So good five years ago.

 

Alex Davis is somebody who since National Action has, I don’t know anything about Ben Raymond, but I’m assured that since the fall of National Action, Alex Davis is somebody who’s tried to distance himself from it and get on with his life. And I know it’s negatively affected his health – the stress that it’s put him under.

 

But I have no and never have had a relationship with Ben Raymond.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: The closest I’ve ever been with him is years, and years ago, somebody might have commented on somebody’s Facebook wall and he might have, … And I might have added something, or made a comment, or a joke. And then he might have been in some thread. That is the most contact. I’ve had with him.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And what about National Action?

 

Mark Collett: I have never attended a National Action event. I have obviously met people who have in some way, or another, attended one of their events, or have been linked to them. But I have not attended a National Action event.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And I had a very dim view of them.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Now Wayne Bell. He was involved in National Action I believe.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And you were pictured leafleting for Brexit with Wayne Bell in Leeds. And you’ve explained about your husband being pictured marching with Wayne Bell. And that you’ve been pretty strong, …

 

Laura Towler: Can I clarify? I don’t know who Wayne Bell is.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

 

Laura Towler: I’ve never met of this person.

 

Dominic Kennedy: That’s fine. This was on, … I think it’s Hope not Hate picture. But you’ve made the point that you’ve been pictured with Prince Charles, and you’re not member of the Royal Family.

 

Mark Collett: You’ve been pictured with Prince Charles!

 

Laura Towler: When I was in the Army Cadets.

 

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. You were pictured [Mark chuckles]. And the Yorkshire fitness organizer, Jacob Buick, was Wayne Bell’s driver. Are you quite close to these people around, …

 

Mark Collett: Am I close to Wayne Bell? I can answer that straight away.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: I haven’t spoken, or had any contact with Wayne Bell, since 2016.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: I have not seen him, I have not contacted him. And he, … Well, I think I’ve actually made a video about this. About the dissolution of National Action, my thoughts about it, at the time. My thoughts about the damage they caused. Their immaturity. And also the fact that I think they did more, or less, everything the wrong way.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Wayne Bell attended our Brexit stalls. That was to obviously leaflet and to promote the Vote Leave campaign. That was completely separate to anything to do with National Action. There were multiple people at those events. And I got people out doing things like the Vote Leave campaigns, because I said to people:

 

“Look, rather than sitting online, saying edgy things, rather than doing foolish things, you can actually make a change in society by going out and getting involved in what is effectively community based politics. Talking to the public and making a positive change. This is a better way to do things.”

 

I would have hoped after seeing the wonderful response we got on those stalls, that young people viewing that would have gone down a more positive route. It seems very clear that Wayne Bell didn’t go down that positive route. He chose to go down a negative route. Which has no doubt damaged him. Damaged his partner. And damaged their children.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Wayne Bell is an example of what happens when people take a very, very dark route. And I think he is paying for that now. But I have not seen him, spoke to him, or had any contact with him for a very long time.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And Jacob Buick, do you know, whether he was involved in National Action?

 

Mark Collett: I, … Jacob Buick?

 

Laura Towler: Jacob helps us with fitness events?

 

Mark Collett: I don’t know. I don’t speak to, I know, I don’t know who he is now, … He came to the demonstration?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Came to the demonstration on Saturday. I think I know who you’re talking about. I don’t know, of his involvement with that. But what I will say Dominic. And this has to be made very, very clear.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: National Action held some events which were exclusively National Action events. National Action also attended numerous large protests all over Yorkshire in the north, where there were multiple groups and other people turned up and may have been pictured next to banners, or individuals, involved. And there has to be a very clear demarcation between those two events.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. Such as the event that Sam was photographed at.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: This was a public march against grooming gangs. National Action were. There were also the EDL, the last remnants of the BNP. And just concerned citizens who had no political affiliation. The event was circulated by various groups and various individuals. And some went and matched against grooming gangs.

 

He’s never even had a conversation with anyone in National Action. So with regards to Jacob, I don’t know if it was something similar to that.

 

Mark Collett: You’d have to ask him. I think, again Dominic that’s a little unfair to ask that question, because Jacob isn’t here to defend himself. And you have to be aware that when people come along to our events, I don’t speak to everybody in depth about their life history.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. Kris Kearns has said that he was involved in National Action. Is that a matter of concern to you? Because he runs your fitness movement. And also this Fascist Fitness.

 

Mark Collett: The Fascist Fitness, he does not run that anymore.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, right.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: He founded it didn’t he?

 

Mark Collett: Originally he set up the page. And we have spoken to Kris and said:

 

“That is not within our accepted boundaries of what we would want anyone, who was having anything to do with us, being involved in.”

 

He no longer does that. And he may, or may not have been involved with National Action, at some point. He doesn’t have any criminal record.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: He has never, to my knowledge, broken the law. He lives in Spain. He does not live in the UK. Obviously, young people sometimes do things that they are later not proud of.

 

I believe that unless somebody has broken the law, or done something, which is absolutely unconscionable, people generally deserve a second chance. And if people were misled into being involved with a group that then later on went sour. And they didn’t have anything to do with the souring themselves. They should not necessarily be counted out of any other group in society for the rest of their lives. There has to be reasonable boundaries.

 

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Now obviously, somebody such as Wayne Bell, they would not be welcome.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, sure.

 

Mark Collett: And we do ensure that our people who are very active, are vetted in our organization. So we do try to ensure, to the best of our knowledge, that the people we have on board that are doing things are the Right people.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And the last one is Fenek Solere, whose writings used to be on National Action’s website. And he’s now blogging for Patriotic Alternative.

 

Mark Collett: I personally, I have interviewed him. And this is the first I’ve known about that this is the first I’ve known about that. So I can’t, again, I haven’t spoken to him. He’s not here to answer that. But I don’t know what he’s written.

 

Now I would say if an article is published on a website, I would be more interested in the content of the article and what it’s calling for as much as I would be and where it’s published.

 

So I don’t know if you’ve read the articles that you’re alleging were published on that website were written by him. But if they were, I would obviously be interested in reading them, if they say anything objectionable. I know that he has written a number of books. He has sent me copies of those books. But I have not read them.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: I spoke to, … The first time I heard about this was when you emailed us yesterday, as well. And I spoke to Fenek this morning and he said:

 

“That he’s never met National Action.”

 

And when they were active he wasn’t even in Britain.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. That’s really helpful.

 

Mark Collett: So did he, or did he not, have that article?

 

Laura Towler: He said they published some of his articles on the website. Not he wrote for them. So they took some of these articles and published them, …

 

Mark Collett: So that is very different! So to make that clear, Laura has spoken to the man in question.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: He claims he did not submit articles to them. But they republished articles he had wrote and published elsewhere.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. Now, some of [word unclear] that I’ve spoken to have been critical of the influence that you have on young people and children.

 

Mark Collett: I don’t have any influence on children!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Let’s say young people, and people who are still at school.

 

Mark Collett: We have a very clear rule on this Dominic. People over the age of 16.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Are allowed to join the army, am I correct?

 

Dominic Kennedy: They were, I don’t know if they still are.

 

Mark Collett: They are allowed to join the Labour Party, and the Conservative Party, and the Liberal Democrats. We only allow people over the age of 16 to attend our events, if they have parental consent.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: When people have come to our events, around that age, they either have to be brought by a parent, or they have to have parental consent.

 

But I must point out that 16 year olds are now legally able to vote in Scotland and Wales. And they are legally able to join all of the major Parliamentary parties in the UK. We are not acting outside of any accepted boundary in the way that we deal with people of that age group.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And when you say that they have to have parental consent, or be brought by their parents, is there an age limit that, …

 

Mark Collett: Anybody under the age of 16, … So if they’re under 16.

 

Mark Collett: Under 16 they have to be brought by a parent. And if a parent is concerned, … I have spoken to parents in the past if their parents are concerned. And I have said to those parents, clearly and completely transparently, that if a parent rings me and says:

 

“I don’t want my kid coming to your event.”

 

I would honour that. I’ve said that to them.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Some of these young people are getting arrested, and getting police records, …

 

Mark Collett: No, no! They’re not!

 

Dominic Kennedy: They’re not children?

 

Mark Collett: No they’re not!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

 

Mark Collett: That is misinformation.

 

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Dominic Kennedy: But Barclay Walsh, …

 

Mark Collett: Whoa! Barclay Walsh has been arrested.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: He was arrested. He does not have a criminal record!

 

Dominic Kennedy: No! A police record. But it is important, because you’re going to have to, at some point in life you have to say, to get certain visas, and so on, that you have been arrested. You have to make that an admission.

 

Mark Collett: I don’t think you do! I don’t think you do. I’ve been into countries. I’ve been to America. And you have to state if you have been, if you have a criminal record. And it’s criminal records that carry a sentence of a certain length.

 

Now he was arrested, he was not charged, he was given all of his stuff back. And he was given a complete clean bill of health with that. That was a mistake!

 

Dominic Kennedy: But there are enhanced criminal record checks and police intelligence, and so on.

 

Mark Collett: Well, if that is the case, then that is the case. But he was wrongfully arrested.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, but he was arrested!

 

Mark Collett: He was arrested. You could be arrested walking out of here, in a case of mistaken identity. That happens.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, it does. But that another guy is this Zoomer, Wesley. He’s been arrested. Wesley Russell. Wesley Russell was nothing to do with Patriotic Alternative. And I believe that was something that actually was a tweet, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: It was tweet.

 

Mark Collett: Was that actually pre-dating Patriotic Alternative? It predated Patriotic Alternative.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Right.

 

Mark Collett: So that was nothing to do with us. The only person that has been arrested for anything to do with a Patriotic Alternative was Barkley Walsh. And he was released, given all his stuff back, and given a complete clean bill of health by the police.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep. Can you see that an adult might not want to be caught with a leaflet which might be seen by the authorities, and obviously was seen by some people as being racially offensive, …

 

Mark Collett: Whoa, wait! I want to discuss that leaflet, because you’ve just said a very serious allegation there! That it was racially offensive.

 

Dominic Kennedy: No, I’m not going to say it’s racially offensive. I’m going to say it could be seen, …

 

Mark Collett: No! No. How could it be seen as racially offensive? It was a leaflet that quoted the Daily Mail on demographics! It did not mention race! It mentioned demographic change! There was no single race in that leaflet that was targeted in any way! It was talking about demographic change. It quoted a Daily Mail article, which was based on a learned paper. All of this is in the public field.

 

These leaflets are not, in any way hateful. They do not target any minority with any slurs, or any accusations! This was an informational piece. Somebody might wish to go out and say to people:

 

“I feel that White Britons becoming a minority in their ancestral homeland is a bad thing! Do you share my opinion.”

 

Now you might not share that. You might think White Britain’s becoming a minority is wonderful! I don’t know what you think. But if somebody shares that opinion, they are allowed to collectivise and campaign against that. There are many people in Britain, UKIP, ….

 

Well look! Let’s go even further to the Left than UKIP. The Conservative Party recently got elected via landslide on the basis that they were A) going to bring in a points-based, Australian-style, immigration system that was vastly going to reduce immigration.

 

Secondly they stated that immigrants coming here to do low-paid jobs would essentially be blocked. Now they lied about those things. They also claimed numerous times that they were going to deport both illegal immigrants and people who were here legally, but were not born here, who had committed serious criminal offences. Okay? Those issues are issues that people were bothered about in the country.

 

And the Conservatives campaigned about those. UKIP have campaigned about those. The Brexit Party have campaigned about those issues. There are a wealth of parties that campaign on those issues. And we put out a leaflet that was extremely tame, backed up all it’s sources, was factual, and was simply saying:

 

“If you are concerned about demographic change, join like-minded people who are also concerned about that.”

 

People voted Tory, people voted Brexit. And people have voted UKIP. People are voting for Farage’s other parties. All based around fears to do with immigration, or concerns about immigration.

 

We have simply spoken about that is not targetting anybody. That is talking about people who are concerned for one reason, or another, about White Britain’s becoming a minority. And that is a legitimate political concern.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. But, it is the case that he was arrested.

 

Mark Collett: Yes. And I’ve admitted that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: A very unpleasant experiences.

 

Mark Collett: It is a very unpleasant experience. But you shouldn’t be interviewing me about this! You should be interviewing the police! You should be saying:

 

“Why was a young lad arrested for putting out a leaflet that is completely legal, that carries information directly lifted from the Daily Mail?”

 

But you’re a journalist, right Dominic? Correct?

 

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Dominic Kennedy: Correct.

 

Mark Collett: So let’s say you wrote an article about demographics. How would you feel if you were pulled out of your house, held in a police cell for presenting facts to the public, as a journalist.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, it’s very unpleasant, …

 

Mark Collett: Very worrying.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But if you, knowing, you that this is the environment in which you’re operating, that people around you being arrested all the time, unfortunately.

 

Mark Collett: If the environment we are operating in is draconian and tyrannical, then it is the environment that should change! People should be granted their freedoms! People who wish to exercise their freedoms shouldn’t curtail what they are doing to kowtow to a tyrannical system! That only gives the tyrannical system more power.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: We are legally allowed to talk about that. That was proved by the fact that he has not been charged.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: So why should we stop talking about things we are legally allowed to talk about, we’re concerned about, and are committed to dealing with, in a peaceful way, if the police are being heavy-handed? You must have seen videos of police brutality. So if the police brutalize somebody, should everyone stop exercising their rights, because the police are brutalizing people?

 

Dominic Kennedy: But would you say, …

 

Mark Collett: No, that’s a question. Should they?

 

Dominic Kennedy: No. But would you see, or say, that there was a difference between a schoolboy and getting involved in this activity, bearing in mind that there is this atmosphere out there. And there are these policies that people seem to be implementing against your group. That for a schoolboy to get involved in it is different from a 30 year old man getting involved in it, …

 

Mark Collett: I’ve already said, Barclay Walsh is over the age of 16. Would he be able to join the Tory party?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Would he be able to join the Labour Party?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Would he be able to join one of the multitude of political groups, like “Black Lives Matter”, Insulate Britain? He could join any of those.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: And some of those groups commit actual offences! Some of them attack the police! Some of them blockade motorways, and there would be no bar on him joining them.

 

We are committed to peaceful political activity. He was carrying out peaceful political activity.

 

The police were in the wrong! Just in the same way that they are in the wrong when they wrongfully arrest, or brutalize people for a variety of reasons. And the press regularly carries stories – you will be aware of this, because you work for the press – of the police overreaching, and doing terrible things to people.

 

Dominic Kennedy: All right. The point that you would make to people who say 16 year old school boys, and so on, school children, are in a different position to older adults. The point you would make is that at 16, you are allowed to be politically active. That’s allowed in this country.

 

Mark Collett: You are allowed to be politically active. And that is a norm across all the mainstream parties. And what’s more Dominic, I want to make this very clear! I want to ask you if you understand what I’m saying, at the end of this.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

 

Mark Collett: If young people between the ages of 16 and 18 are concerned about a political issue, is it better that they get involved with a group that are above board legal, community-based, and wanting to carry out legitimate political activity, or is it better that those people are alienated, and forced into the arms of a group that wants to do things in a less legitimate manner?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: So it’s better that they go down a political route?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I see your point.

 

Mark Collett: So we are saying to people. If you want to do something legitimate, we will give you a legitimate, above board, political way to vent your frustrations, talk about the things that concern you.

 

We do not think that closing that avenue of legitimate political discourse, would do young people, or any other people for that matter, any good!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, okay I very much take your point. I’ve took the time of it, as well, because I wasn’t making a note.

 

Mark Collett: Do, you know how much longer this is going to go on for? Because I do need the toilet.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, it’s at the end of the corridor.

 

Mark Collett: Okay.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Is that, …

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, it’s fine, yeah. How long after, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: About half an hour, ….

 

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Mark Collett: If it’s half an hour, then I would definitely need, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: It’s at the end of the corridor.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah on the Left! How are you?

 

Laura Towler: Not bad. A bit of morning sickness has come back, in the third trimester, indigestion. But other than that things are good.

 

Dominic Kennedy: My first newspaper was the Pudsey Times.

 

Laura Towler: Pardon?

 

Dominic Kennedy: My first newspaper was the Pudsey Times.

 

Laura Towler: Ah, okay.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And is [word unclear] still going on.

 

Laura Towler: I’ve never heard of that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, really.

 

Laura Towler: I think it’s the Yorkshire Post, it’s a big one.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. No we used to have like a, I mean, there was a whole newspaper office with about three reporters, and advertising staff, a receptionist, just opposite the Magistrates Court. And it had been called the [word unclear] News. And it was about 100 years old. Well, a lot of local newspapers are closed down.

 

Laura Towler: Well maybe, because of the internet?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Definitely! Yeah, because it relied on them advertising [word unclear] income, basically. So once that’s detached from sales of newspapers, or free distribution newspapers, then it’s all gone. It’s a kind of an economic model.

 

Laura Towler: Well a lot of newspapers are struggling nowadays. People are [word unclear] traditional media.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, there’s a lot of competition.

 

Mark Collett: Sorry about that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Thank you. To clarify. You said that they don’t do, you don’t do martial arts in the fitness clubs. Western Springs martial arts. You don’t do martial arts.

 

Mark Collett: No, we don’t do. I think some of our lads do in their own time, box.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: I used to box. But at our camps we don’t do martial arts.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: I’ve attended, obviously I’ve attended every single national camp we’ve done. And there’s been no martial arts at those camps.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And the you’ve mentioned that there may be flare-ups. There may be violent flare-ups over, from time to time, there’s not be a race war. But there may be violent [word unclear] from time to time.

 

Mark Collett: Well, we’ve seen violent flares groups like “Black Lives Matter”. And we’ve seen riots and things like that. That’s not some kind of incredible prediction. That’s based on, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: Observation.

 

Mark Collett: That’s an observation that no one could disagree with.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And are your fitness club members readying themselves, preparing yourselves, for self-defense?

 

Mark Collett: No! Of course not! Dominic, … Right have you seen those “Black Lives Matter” events?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Well, I’ve seen different sort of things, …

 

Mark Collett: How many people are at those events?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Some of them have got enormous sums.

 

Mark Collett: Enormous sums! And when you’ve seen those turn nasty in places like America, which they have, and they’re burning down stores, looting.

 

Do you think any person in their right mind, would even think they could ready themselves on a personal basis, for something like that? If you were faced with that, the only thing you could do is run! To suggest that young men are preparing themselves to single-handedly take on something like that, it’s just nonsense!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: So no, we’re not. And it wouldn’t even be possible.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Is Max Musson supporting you? He is able able to give like financial support?

 

Mark Collett: I have not, …

 

Dominic Kennedy: He’s always portrayed as a financier, …

 

Mark Collett: I have not spoken to Max Musson for quite a while. The last time I saw him was at an event in Leeds. It wasn’t a PA event. He has not spoken to me since then. At the event he announced that I had won a, I think it was an award for Speaker of the Year, that they give out. I’m sure that will be on his website. But I haven’t spoken to him since then. And I couldn’t even tell you the date of the event.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. That could be some years ago, could it?

 

Mark Collett: I couldn’t tell you.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. Do you have any idea what age your followers are, on average, or generally, or, ….

 

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Mark Collett: The average, I think at our last camp the youngest person there was one, wasn’t she?

 

Laura Towler: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: She was one. And the oldest person there was in his 80s.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: So it is a very wide range and, because they’re family events, you get that kind of wide range.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Fine. Some of the messaging that you use. You talk about White genocide.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: There’s a clock ticking down on the website.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Is there a possibility that some of the people who are listening to your messages may feel that they need to take violent action, because this is, … When there’s a genocide, what are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to stop it, aren’t you?

 

Mark Collett: Absolutely not! There is absolutely no way that people could misinterpret what we’re saying. On our website there is a clear 20 point Political Plan! There is a very timely reminder that White Britons are headed to becoming a minority! That is true! Demographics is one of our central points.

 

But every single thing on that website is geared towards community politics, leafleting, and other such community-based issues, …

 

Laura Towler: And self-improvement.

 

Mark Collett: And self-improvement. You could make that very disingenuous argument toward anything. You could say:

 

“Well, this website here which is a completely different website, run by people with completely different opinions and views to us, talks about climate change, talks about mass extinction of species, talks about melting of the polar like ice caps, talks about flooding, talks about starvation!”

 

Well this according to certain people is imminent! Well that sounds pretty bleak as well. Could that inspire violence? Would you say that would inspire violence, Dominic?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’ll take your point.

 

Laura Towler: And the media are terrible for portraying immigrants and their descendants as victims and sufferers of certain things. That could encourage them to go out and do something terrible.

 

Mark Collett: And what about the Covid narrative? I mean, recently there have been many articles in newspapers, such as the Daily Mail. And I read one of these excerpts last night on my show, where people are saying:

 

“Can I even be friends with somebody who chooses not to take the vaccine?”

 

Could that cause attacks upon people? The press are saying that those who choose not to take the vaccine, are putting others at risk. Now that is a whole debate in itself. But if somebody making a choice over their bodies, putting other people at risk, does that incite violence against them? Would you say it does?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I take your point. Yeah. And, …

 

Mark Collett: I think what you have to do Dominic, … Let’s be completely fair and open here. You have to look at two things. First, is obviously what our core principles are. And secondly, how we aim to spread our message and what our core activities are.

 

And our core activities are community-based activism. And the way we spread our message is peaceful. Down to the fact we even have a stringent code of conduct – which I will email you as soon as I get home – about ensuring that, well deterring anybody, … We don’t want anyone at our events who would do things that we disagree with. And we are very clear about that.

 

So no. I don’t think our website in any way would lead to what you suggested.

 

And if you went down a route of saying that, I think we both agree that could then be applied to the press, the media, and any website that talked about certain future occurrences.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Why do you discourage young people to work with Prevent? Why do I discourage young people to work with Prevent?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Prevent turn up and say:

 

“We want to help you, because you’re getting involved in extremists.”

 

And so on.

 

Mark Collett: Because we’re not extremists. We’re not extremists! What we’re doing [chuckling], I’ve said this many times, we are above board, political activists. I would encourage anybody who has a strong feeling about politics, or social change, to get on board with an aboveboard, legal, group that is calling for political change and community-based activism.

 

If Prevent is going to peoples, or going to people’s houses, trying to discourage young people from getting on board with community-based activism, then they’re the problem!

 

[95:07]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And I will say this to any young person. And I have made numerous videos that you must have seen saying this. I tell all young people:

 

“You are now laying the foundations for the rest of your lives!”

 

I tell people:

 

“Study hard, go to university, get a good career, stay fit!”

 

I tell people:

 

“Don’t smoke! Don’t drink! Don’t take drugs! Don’t fill your face with junk food. Be healthy. Do good.”

 

And that will put you in a good position for the rest of your lives.

 

Laura Towler: Sorry, Prevent have been harassing our supporters, including, just to give you one example, an elderly lady who had a public Twitter profile, who got involved with our baking competition. She’s been contacted by Prevent to talk about her “extremism”, because she took part in a baking competition.

 

So I would say in this situation it’s actually Prevent that are the extremists. Not us.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. And are you a National Socialist? Because the book does, it appears to praise National Socialism.

 

Mark Collett: What it actually does, if you look at it, is it makes a big distinction between what I call “national”, … And again this is, I think you’re being a little bit disingenuous there, Dominic. You say you’ve read the book.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: But there was an entire chapter called, … And I want to get this exactly correct, “False Salvation, the Hollywood Nazi”

Dominic Kennedy: Yes!

 

Mark Collett: And it criticizes people who go down a, what I call the “Hollywood Nazi route”. It criticizes people who wear swastika patches, it criticizes people who idolize protagonists in films like romper stomper, or American History X. That’s all clear in the book, yes?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: What I did in the book was I compared National Socialism to skinhead, or Hollywood Nazi culture. I never said I was a National Socialist. I said National Socialism was disciplined. I said it was ordered. I said they dress smartly. And I said they marched in lines. Are those things correct? Did they? Were they disciplined and ordered, Dominic?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Umm.

 

Mark Collett: Would you say the Nuremberg rallies were disciplined and orderly?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’m really not an expert on the Nuremberg rallies. So I’m not going to, …

 

Mark Collett: Look! You’re not going to say that. But you’re smiling. And I know that, you know what I’m saying is correct!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, I’m smiling, but what I’m saying, … Lots of other things happened around that time.

 

Mark Collett: No! No.

 

Dominic Kennedy: More than just walking down a line [chuckling].

 

Mark Collett: Wait a second Dominic. We’re not talking about the other things.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: In my book, I point out that those people who call themselves National Socialists, but cloak themselves in Hollywood Nazi style imagery, regalia, and lifestyles, are nothing like the people they claim to admire. They are not disciplined, they are not ordered. And they are almost a bizarre parody of what they claim to stand for.

 

That is what the book says. I never say that I’m a National Socialist. Throughout the book I say that I am a nationalist! And in the book, at the end, I say the following. There is a chapter, “True Salvation Nationalism”. Not National Socialism, nationalism!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So you make the point very well in your book comparison. But are you saying you’re not a National Socialist?

 

Mark Collett: I’m not a National Socialist. I wasn’t around in 1930s Germany. National Socialism was a product of its time.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. You’ve now been rejected four times as a political party.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: By the Electoral Commission. What are you going to do?

 

Mark Collett: We’re going to apply again!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Try again?

 

Mark Collett: We’re going to apply again with a completely different tactic.

 

Laura Towler: And we’re also going to ask them if we can perhaps have a conversation.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. We’re going to ask if we can have a meeting with them. We can work with them. So we can work with this body, to ensure that we comply with their strict guidelines. We want to do that. And if needs be we will go down there and we will have a full and Frank conversation we will present evidence to them, as we have done with you today, and answer any questions they have.

 

Laura Towler: And it would also be helpful if they could just tell us in one go everything that they want us to change, rather than them feeding them one thing at a time, in order to delay the process, which is what they’re actually trying to do.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: Because the fourth time problem was relevant the first time as well. But they didn’t feel the need to mention it then.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And I have repeatedly emailed them and said, … They have said:

 

“You need to change this. You need to change the other.”

 

And every time I have changed those things, I have written back and say:

 

“I am more than happy to change that particular item. Is that all I need to change?”

 

And they refuse to answer that. So I believe they’re playing a game. They have a number of things they have stacked up against us, and they feed those objections to us piecemeal. Which is very unfair! It wastes our time, and it wastes our money. And we do not deserve to be treated like that.

 

Laura Towler: And it’s worth noting that they’ve also let other parties through with things that they’ve rejected us on.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Laura Towler: Such as text in the logo.

 

[100:37]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And that you say the rejection, the fourth time, was issues that they could have raised before? Is that true also the third time?

 

Mark Collett: Yes!

 

Laura Towler: I can’t remember the exact, …

 

Mark Collett: Yes! The third and fourth time was spurious, to say the least. And were not actually based on any ruling they made, but on a ruling they said may be made by the equality commission. So when I contacted a legal representative about that, I was told that was spurious at best.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, they could have said it the first time.

 

Mark Collett: Yes, of course!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Right.

 

Mark Collett: Nothing has changed.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’m looking at your program for how you would, it’s not a manifesto, but what you would like to see happen. The way that I’m trying to interpret that, is if you were to come to power. And if you were to have your way, there would be a 95% super majority of White people who are European people, or something like that, in the UK. Is that basically correct?

 

Mark Collett: Yes! We’d aim for a super majority. We’ve said 95%. But if a little fairy landed on my shoulder today and said, you know, stick, or twist, you can have 90% and you win. I would take 90 percent.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And the only way that I think that is going to be achievable, bearing around your other principles that you put in, is to have a system of voluntary repatriation.

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: That’s correct? Which would be also with incentives to repatriate.

 

Mark Collett: Yes. It would be financial incentives to repatriate those who felt they could maybe live a better life elsewhere. It would not be something that was coercive. It would be something that would be obviously considered by individuals, or families. And can be very generous.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And I can see that, for example, if you are the grandchild of some Jamaican immigrants, then I’m assuming that the suggestion would be:

 

“You might want to go and live in Jamaica.”

 

Mark Collett: Well, they might.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: If they were offered a generous resettlement scheme.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Where would jewish people go? Have you thought about that?

 

Mark Collett: Well, jewish people would go to Israel, if they wished to go to Israel. We aren’t, as I said, it’s a completely voluntary scheme! It’s a voluntary scheme, so where people went was up to them. I mean, you might have somebody who was of Pakistani descent. But they had family in Bangladesh, and chose to go to Bangladesh.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: It would be up to them.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Are jewish people not counted in that 95 percent?

 

Mark Collett: The jewish people are their own ethnic group. They actually categorize, … I’m going on their categorization, and not my own. They class themselves an ethnic group. They have an ethnostate in the Middle East with a nation state law.

 

And leading rabbis in Israel have called for DNA tests for citizenship. So they believe themselves to be a racial group.

 

As such, they would be dealt with just like anyone else, in a fair and reasonable manner. And if they wished to take a grant, to go to Israel, they could. And if they were productive members of society, they would be welcome to stay and carry on living here. And they would experience all the same freedoms that British citizens experienced. Because that’s what they would be.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Okay. Now I sent on the email yesterday questions about that show with, that Patriotic Talk episode.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, I want to answer that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, go on then.

 

Mark Collett: Chris Mitchell was obviously a supporter, activist, and at one time somebody who would have been seen as a leading part of Patriotic Alternative. We’re not denying that. That’s out in the open. He was Eastern Region Organizer.

 

However, Chris Mitchell has repeatedly, and I’m being very honest with you here Dominic, said things on shows that I find appalling! The Thomas Sewell show was absolutely terrible! Midway through that show – and Laura can attest to this – I rang you Laura, didn’t I?

 

[105:08]

 

Laura Towler: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: And we removed all reference to the Patriotic Talk show from our website. It was never again promoted by Patriotic Alternative. Chris Mitchell, at later dates, went on to say other things himself which were completely against what we believe in.

 

As such, I had a very difficult conversation with Chris Mitchell. He was sacked as Eastern Regional Organizer. He was told, in the end, that he must take a minimum break of three months, whereby he used to sort out his personal problems, and assess his behavior.

 

He was going through very difficult times. That’s why he wasn’t booted outright. He had a nasty breakup with his partner, who he harassed. He also had broken off their wedding. Their wedding had been broken off. And at the time, he was in somewhat of a state.

 

So we tried to deal with him as kindly as we could. Because we didn’t want him to do anything foolish. But he was told. And I have made a public statement, because we’re very open about these things. I’ve made a public statement to this end, that he was told he needed to take three months off. And his show would not be anything to do with us.

 

What Thomas Sewell said on that show was disgusting! I made two, at least two, public rebuttals of that the next day on public facing shows. I have completely disavowed what Thomas Sewell has said. And on that show, Kris Kearns was also present. Kris Kearns, at several points, said this man does not represent Patriotic Alternative, or myself. The only person who didn’t disavow what Thomas Sewell said was Chris Mitchell, who was the host of the show.

 

I am somewhat perplexed as to why Dlive still platforms Chris Mitchell. I lost my Dlive account despite the fact I have never once used a racial slur, or advocated for anything to do with violence, or terrorism.

 

Chris Mitchell has repeatedly had guests on his show, post him leaving and being told he’s not welcome within PA, who have said things which are equally unconscionable. Yet his channel still remains.

 

I want to make this absolutely clear! When I want you to understand this. And I want you, if there’s any unclarity on this, please tell me. He’s not welcome our events what was said on that show by Thomas Sewell – he was an Australian – and has never had anything to do with PA. And we would never have anything to do with him. He was completely beyond the pale!

 

He is now awaiting trial in Australia for activities, that again, we completely disavow! And as far as I am concerned, we drew a line under that. And we want to make it very clear, as I have done publicly on numerous shows, that this is exactly what we don’t stand for!

 

And that any host of a show that is connected to PA that allows a guest to get out of line, or to say things like that, will be stood down, as Chris Mitchell was.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Now I want to ask you is that completely clear?

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Is there anything else we could do to make that point clear. Or is there anything else we could have done at the time that you feel, we could have done?

 

Dominic Kennedy: I think you’ve made your point clearly.

 

Laura Towler: There is one more thing. Kris Kearns left the show.

 

Mark Collett: Chris Kearns left the show after that stream. So did the other co-host. A guy who went by the name of Nattie. And the show then went completely off the rails. And that is why it was never featured on our website again after that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Now it was a very unfortunate thing. But I also must stress, Thomas Sewell lives in Australia. He was never part of PA. He was never connected to PA. And what he said was obviously no reflection on PA as an organization, because he did not speak for PA!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Is that also clear.

 

Dominic Kennedy: It is.

 

Mark Collett: And as a final point to this. As a final point to this. I am not sure where those recordings are. But I want to ask have you seen the recordings that were made after that where I publicly distanced myself from this? And I said it was complete, … You haven’t seen those? I don’t know where those are. But if I can dig them out, I would be happy to transfer those. So we want to draw a complete line under this.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. And somebody told me who has been your friend, that you don’t have a filter. And you said that, for example, you would say:

 

“My favorite book is Mein Kampf.”

 

Mark Collett: I didn’t say my favorite book was Mein Kampf.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Have you ever said that?

 

Mark Collett: I didn’t say my favorite book was Mein Kampf. What I said, and this can be seen, is people said:

 

“If you should read three books.”

 

And I suggested three very politically incorrect books. The reason I said that is because I don’t believe in working within the establishment’s narrative. And I don’t believe that people should be closed-minded in what they should read.

 

Ultimately, I suggest people should read things out of the bounds of establishment norms. I don’t apologize that. And sometimes I do try to be provocative.

 

[110:31]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So what you were saying was not “my favorite book is Mein Kampf”.

 

Mark Collett: No.

 

Dominic Kennedy: You said was, if you read three books, here’s a book list you should read. And these are three very, to put it mildly, politically incorrect books.

 

Mark Collett: They’re politically incorrect book. But that was said, and people could see me laughing at the time. It was obviously said in a provocative, and slightly tongue-in-cheek manner. If you are to read three books, I’m probably not the best guy to ask what books you should read, because I’m not an avid reader myself.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Was this on a live stream, was it?

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, okay. And are you scared now? Because people around you, …

 

Mark Collett: Scared of what?

 

Dominic Kennedy: People around you are being arrested, and having their homes raided, and that’s includes obviously your family. Are you worried that this is going to happen to you?

 

Mark Collett: There is always that worry. There is always that worry. There’s always a concern that the State will act in a heavy-handed manner against anyone that criticizes the State. But that threat of heavy-handedness, is what the State use to silence dissident voices!

 

Laura Towler: We know that the State is hostile towards us. And that includes the government, the media, and the police. But every time they attack us it confirms for us that we need to fight for freedoms for our people, because it’s unacceptable! So really I think it strengthens our beliefs, doesn’t it?

 

Mark Collett: It strengthens your resolve. And one of the small points I would like to point out, about, … Because I noticed you were smiling when I said I sometimes like to be provocative.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: Leading Labour politicians – I think Tony benn was one – had busts of people like Stalin, Lenin, Chairman Mao, on their desks. Now those were men who did absolutely horrific things! They oversaw the murder of millions of people. Yet those individuals are never, ever, pulled up for their rather provocative, or sincere, I don’t know, I’ve never spoken to people like, … I’ve never spoken to Tony Benn, I’ve never spoken to Ken Livingston.

 

But people like that do cloak themselves in the flags of very extreme communist regimes. I mean, I’ve seen pictures of Jeremy Corbyn stood under Soviet flags.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Well the Soviet Union murdered somewhere around 40 million people!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And all I am saying is in a situation like that, people have to be held to the same standards. And what I think is happening here is if I make a provocative comment, I am held to a completely different standard to, let’s say, an elected politician like Tony Benn, or like Ken Livingston.

 

However really, in many ways that should be the other way around. That if we have elected politicians who do things like that, and they’re given a free pass by the media, or the State, that shows again some kind of collusion, or airbrushing of wrongdoing, by people who actually take a wage from the public purse.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So there’s double standards you’re pointing out as well.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Well, can I show you a video? Now, this is from the, I think it’s Western Spring. And people certainly they think, …

 

Mark Collett: That’s me, yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Is it you?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I just want to make sure it’s the Right one.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. You don’t have to show me. I know the one you mean. It’s me!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. That’s you.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, there’s me and, … I’m not actually in that shot. But I was there.

 

Dominic Kennedy: You were sitting down.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But what, …

 

Mark Collett: But that wasn’t, what says there, on the screen, it said something about, that is a meeting.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I’m not adopting, …

 

Mark Collett: I thought that was a Western Spring meeting. I was there. It was the last Western Spring meeting I attended. I think it was. Yeah, it was the last Western Spring camp I attended. I might have spoken at one of their events after that, at a dining event. But that was a completely legal meeting.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: As I said, that, I think that was in 20, it was 2017.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I think it was 2017.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: And Garron Helm is boxing with you, or sparring with you, or doing something with you.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Do you know, him at all?

 

[115:02]

 

Mark Collett: I know Garron Helm, yes.

 

Dominic Kennedy: What’s, …

 

Mark Collett: What’s my relationship with him? Not spoken to him for years. I met him on a couple of occasions. He was a young lad that got swept up in National Action. But I believe he was one of the few people who was actually arrested and found not guilty on all charges of actual involvement with them, in court. Is that correct?

 

Dominic Kennedy: He was, yeah, basically all right.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. So he actually never did anything illegal. And post them being shut down, he had no involvement with them. And got on with his life.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. ITV News have explained this in a particular way as being National Action members still meeting, …

 

Mark Collett: No!

 

Dominic Kennedy: Things like that.

 

Mark Collett: No!

 

Dominic Kennedy: You tell me what was happening there. What is that a video of? What is it showing?

 

Mark Collett: It’s a Western Spring camp which was for young men, primarily, who wanted to get together, do some camping, do some hiking, do some fitness training. It wasn’t run by me. It was run by Western Spring. And that’s about the long and short of it.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Why were they doing, why were you all doing the gym stuff, the sort of self-defense, …

 

Mark Collett: You’d have to ask the organizers og the event. It’s generally a fitness, self-defense, and general a bit male bonding. Nothing more to it than that.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Fine. And this is going to be a bit personal. It might be a bit personal from me.

 

Mark Collett: Go on.

 

Dominic Kennedy: But I just find it, I just don’t understand why you have these opinions. Because you are a you are a gifted, well-educated, man of 40 years old. And you’ve grown up in a multi-racial society. And I don’t understand why you would think that people who are from different racial, or ethnic backgrounds, are different, or why it’s an issue. But briefly, … Yeah, what’s, …

 

Mark Collett: Well if you look at history, every single multicultural society has descended into strife on some level. And generally people who live around their own, who are part of homogeneous groups, who surround themselves by their own cultures and traditions, are happier!

 

And you must note in Britain today, when small numbers of immigrants initially came over. And they were probably quite isolated amongst the indigenous population, there was a pressure for them to fit in. There was a pressure for those people to get along.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: However, we have now experienced mass immigration on a scale that this country has never seen before! Every year more people come to this country than arrived here between 1066 and 1939.

 

So since the last time we were successfully invaded, till the outbreak of the Second World War, fewer people in total came to Britain, than arrive here every year under the Conservative government. That is wholly manufactured! It is wholly sponsored by the State, largely supported by the mainstream media.

 

And when those people do come here in such numbers, they are not isolated. They are not forced to get along with the indigenous people. But, in fact, they gather together, they import their culture to the exclusion of the indigenous culture. And they create their own little versions of wherever they came from. With the great difference being, free healthcare, free education, generous benefits. And all the financial incentives offered to them by the UK government.

 

Once they have created those, some people call them “ghettos”, I’ll be more polite and call them “enclaves”, once they have created those enclaves which are based around their beliefs, their religious buildings, their language, their practices, their shops, their clothing, their customs, there is often then a clash between the people living there and the indigenous people living on the edge of those enclaves.

 

And when those clashes occur you see things like anti-White racist attacks! You see things like the grooming scandal! And when White people come off second best, which they do. And by the media’s own admission there have been over a hundred thousand White British girls “groomed”, sexually abused, raped, trafficked, even murdered by people who are largely from immigrant descent, these crimes are covered up and nothing’s done about them!

 

And that is a great concern for me as a person! And you may be right Dominic. You may look at me and say:

 

“You’re intelligent, you are physically active, you could do anything with your life, why do this Mark?”

 

It’s because I care! Because I felt there was something wrong that wasn’t being addressed in the mainstream. And I wasn’t willing to sit on the sidelines and do nothing about it! I wanted to get involved. And I wanted to make a positive change. And that is something I strive to do.

 

And yes, I probably could have earned more money elsewhere. I probably could have lived a very different life. But that would have meant that I would have had something weighing on my conscience. And that something would have been inaction, that something would have been saying nothing about the injustices that we’ve just spoken about.

 

So yes I might have sacrificed a lot doing this. But it’s a sacrifice I’m happy to make. And that’s why I don’t live in fear of State abuse of power. Because I know that I’m doing the right thing! I think people who live in fear of going to jail, are people who know that they’re doing the wrong thing.

 

People who know that they’re doing the right thing, would shoulder those burdens, because they’d have a clear conscience, which I do.

 

[121:35]

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Is there anything else you’d like to say.

 

Mark Collett: No.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Anything I should know?

 

Mark Collett: No. No. I want to be honest with you though. I have made a recording of this.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: For my own safety. I will not be publishing this. But it is there for my safety.

 

Dominic Kennedy: I just said you’re right to do it.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. So if you were to ever print anything that I have said, I want to be able to say to people this is a recording where this is how it played out. Because I want to be safe.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

 

Mark Collett: And I feel that you may feel I was slightly honest [? dishonest]. I didn’t tell you I was recording you from the start. But I will say this Dominic. That is for my safety. And although I wasn’t completely honest about that recording, I have been completely honest with you today. I hope you agree that I’ve answered all your questions. That I’ve been polite. That I’ve been open. That I’ve been honest. That I’ve been very, very forthcoming with full and lengthy explanations.

 

And if you feel that I have held anything back, or been disingenuous, I would like you to say now. Because I want us to walk away from this with a handshake and happy that you have everything you need to make an unbiased report.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I really appreciate you giving your time, both of you and I appreciate the way that you’ve answered the questions. Thank you Mark. I’m also, I’m not surprised that you’ve made a recording. And I think that was completely reasonable to do, to ensure that the you’re satisfied that the reporting is fair and accurate.

 

But, and I’ve come to you with everything that I’ve got at the moment just about. There may be other matters that come to light. If I’m able to email you, is that okay?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah you can email me. You can follow anything up. And if you wish for another meeting, I’d be happy to meet you again. We’ve met in this neutral location, because it is both neutral and controlled. So you’ve got peace of mind. And I’ve got peace of mind. So that everything’s being done in an aboveboard manner.

 

And what I hope to achieve from this Dominic, is I’m not trying to recruit you, I’m not trying to win you over. I know you’re not going to be on my side of the political fence. But what I am trying to do is show you that we are not monsters! That we are above board. That we are open, honest.

 

And we are open to scrutiny from the press, or anyone else. We are willing to answer questions. And we will do so in the most open and reasonable manner. Because we don’t have anything to hide. We are very honest about what we believe. And we are very honest about the way we operate.

 

And we wish to continue to operate in this legal, and aboveboard manner. And we wish to continue to exercise our democratic rights and our freedoms.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay.

 

Mark Collett: So, are you happy with all that?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah.

 

Dominic Kennedy: Thank you.

 

Mark Collett: I’ll do mine.

 

[124:53]

 

[End of interview]

 

Mark Collett: Thank you for taking the time to listen to the interview in full. If you enjoyed the video please consider giving it a like, or sharing it on social media.

 

You can also visit our website at www.patrioticalternative.org.uk. And you can download my book “The Fall of Western Man” for free, from www.thefallofwesternman.com.

 

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Version 1: Oct 16, 2021 — Published post. Completed 25/125 mins of transcript.