Andrew Hitchcock: To learn who rules over you. Simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise. You are listening to ACH and I’m your host on today’s show.

 

I’m delighted to welcome that my dear friend who’s been with me since the very start, Mike Walsh.

 

So let’s bring him up right now. Mike, are you with us?

 

Mike Walsh: Yes. We’ve been together for a very long time, haven’t we? And I hope that we will be together for a very long time in the future, because it’s very rewarding talking with my friends around the world and hearing from them, which you do.

 

So thank you for all the messages of support since we last talked. It really is appreciated and very much helpful.

 

So I just want you to know that from this side of the world, you are very much appreciated. The whole family. Thank you, Andrew, for having me on your show again.

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Well, thank you so much, Mike.

 

And should we start off with, we’re recording this on Tuesday, May the 9th. And we’re going to be putting this up in about 15 hours, early on Wednesday, May the 10th. But, of course, today is this day that Russia celebrates every year, some military victory day. Mike will know more about it than me.

 

And, of course, we’ve had an increase in the violence in the Ukraine. So what is your current analysis of what’s going on between Russia and Ukraine and the West, Mike?

 

Mike Walsh: Yeah, I don’t consider it a war, Ukraine against Russia or Russia against Ukraine. They’re being used as a battering ram, Ukraine. And the war would have ended at least a year ago had it not been for the arms and the money pouring in from the Western alliance.

 

So it’s a proxy war. And it’s a war that they’re losing, but they will just not admit that they’re losing. I’m not talking about Ukraine. It’s going to be an absolute disaster! And this is why the Western Alliance is working so hard to keep the war going, because they don’t want to lose face, as they did with Afghanistan. And there’s no question about it, the war is being won in Russia’s favour only today.

 

[03:38]

 

And remember that Ukraine, in terms of population, is a very small country. It’s got about 20, 25 million, most of whom are female or the very old or the very young. They don’t have many men of fighting age. And yet today they’ve lost 460 fighting men in the war. The attrition rate is eight to one. So for every eight Ukrainians who die in this conflict, this NATO conflict, there’s only one Russian dying. And they are a much bigger population, a well organised army. They’re a world nuclear power. They can afford it. Ukraine can’t.

 

So far, the figures are staggering! Ukraine has lost, so far, an estimated 350,000 fighting men. Now out of a very small population, less than half of that of Spain, that is cataclysmic! When you bear in mind that they’ve never forgotten the Vietnam War, which lasted for 20 years.

 

And of course, the important thing to remember about that debacle is that 55,000 American servicemen lost their lives in the unfortunate hapless Vietnam War. Nearly seven times that number of casualties have occurred in this NATO conflict against Russia, which is only 14 months old now. That is the scale of this catastrophe! Ukraine will never recover from it.

 

But NATO, the Western alliance, Andrew, will never recover from it at all. Because even as I speak, even though the Russians, there is no triumphalism, not on this particular conflict anyway.

 

Another story. But the Russians don’t accept yesterday that they won. But everybody knows, even the Western pundits are bracing for a defeat for Ukraine.

 

Now, if Ukraine is defeated, and it is already defeated, it’s not just the defeat of Ukraine, because Ukraine really doesn’t matter anymore. Ukraine is half the size, or it will be half the size that it was in February 2022. They’ve already lost, 20% of their territory, which in terms of mineral resources is the richest, richer than the other 80%, to Russia.

 

There is absolutely no way that Donbas or Crimea is ever going to be under the Ukrainian or the NATO flag. That is not going to happen.

 

Kiev has already ceded western Ukraine to Poles. Because in 1945, when Europe was carved up by the military victors, a great slice of Poland was given to Ukraine in compensation. They were given a large swathe of territory, former German territory. So everything shifted to the West. Now, Poland being Poland, wants their territory back. They’re not going to give the territory that they took from Germany back to Germany, but they want the territory that was taken from Poland and given to Ukraine in 1945 under Stalin. They want that back, and they’ve already got it back. They’ve got de facto, they’re changing the laws.

 

So everybody living in western Ukraine, which again is about 20% of that country, is now under Polish influence.

 

[07:38]

 

Now, when this happens, and it is happening, Hungary, which again lost a lot of territory, Hungarian territory, to Ukraine in the aftermath of World War II, as did Romania, they want their populations back. Because again. In western Ukraine there are many people who are ethnic Hungarian, who see themselves as Hungarian. They speak only the Hungarian language. They go to Hungarian schools and Hungarian churches. They follow the Hungarian culture. Absolutely the same with Romania.

 

So the whole shift is occurring as we’re talking. And what will the outcome be for the Western alliance? A fiasco! A debacle far greater than was Afghanistan! If you think Afghanistan, which they scarpered from in a couple of days, was a fiasco for the United States and NATO, it’s going to be dwarfed by the collapse of the Ukrainian front.

 

All of the NATO Arsenals, and we’re talking about, I think it’s 20 countries or 30 countries, they have been emptied. Even Britain can’t even defend itself now.

 

I read that Poland has enough in their military Arsenals to last in a fire-fight for about two days.

 

So the Western alliance has completely collapsed! It couldn’t fight anything now.

 

So that’s completely gone.

 

Biden is hanging on by his teeth. If the war is lost, then the next election is going to be won by Trump. And the European Union, which stupidly followed the Washington line is going to be isolated as the United States collapses, and there’s going to be a Russia – that’s already happening with Hungary and other countries – they are already preparing to make friends with Russia, simply because they won’t have any choice.

 

The omnipotence of the United States, like the British Empire and like the Soviet Union, is evaporating.

 

And that means the two strongest powers, the true omnipotent powers of the world today, will be Russia and China. And Europe, the European Union. If the entire of Europe, from the Urals to the Atlantic Ocean, was a foot, the European Union would actually only be the size of one’s big toe!

 

So it’s insignificant, in world affairs, and it’s increasingly insignificant. The world is de-dollarizing, the West is gone.

 

So this is the outcome of this debacle, this latest NATO debacle.

 

Scott Ritter, the former Weapons Inspector for the United Nations, said:

 

“NATO is Europe’s suicide pill!”

 

And it absolutely is! All it’s good for is creating refugee crises, making the arms or weapons industry very rich, but impoverishing people and killing hundreds of thousands of people! I think there’s been more than 40 conflicts since 1945.

 

Today, the Soviet Union is celebrating what they call Victory Day. I don’t know whose victory it was, but we don’t live in a real world anymore. And I am a victim of those who don’t like the “truth”. Inconvenient history! That’s all I’ve ever written about, is inconvenient history.

 

[11:43]

 

And Russia will today forget. I’ve got nothing against Russia. I’ve always said that the war was against Bolshevism. Soviet Union, Bolshevism. There was no problems at all from Germany or anyone else about the Russian, or the Russian people or the Russian culture. If The Times would be turned back and Putin was in power instead of Stalin in 1942, there wouldn’t have been a Second World War. The Germans and the Russians would have gone on, fine.

 

What they also forget, and this will be an inconvenient history today is over a million in the Vlasav [sp] regiments. In the Vlasav regiments of World War II, over a million of Russians fought on the side of Hitler’s Germany against Bolshevik Russia. Vlasav himself was a former Red Army, a much Heralded Red Army general who saved Vladivistok, … Not Vladivistok, Moscow, rather. He saved Moscow. But he led the Resistance. So that in that respect, World War II for the Russians was a civil war.

 

And they also tend to forget that it wasn’t the Russians who won the war. They wouldn’t have done it unless they were in total collaboration and gaining the support of the West, which they deny.

 

So there wasn’t a Red Army soldier whose tunic was not made in the West. All of the buttons that held the tunics together were made in the United States. All the ships, all the tanks, everything on wheels was made in the United States. All of the railway rolling stock was made in the United States. They couldn’t have done it!

 

So the victory was a victory for three world empires who collaborating together, which was the greatest insanity ever, destroyed a country that was half the size of Texas! If they can call that “victory” and hold victory parades, then I find that they can probably make Father Christmas appear to be truth!

 

But this is the world we live in. We live in a world of total fantasy! We’re fighting to struggle, we’re fighting to avoid totalitarianism, and we tend to forget that we are already living in a totalitarian society.

 

The war is over. Ukraine is totally defeated. They’ve got no chance whatsoever of mounting a counter offensive. The Russians take the policy of:

 

“He who hits first, hits twice.”

 

I think they’ve hit them so many times, the Ukrainians, and, of course, NATO, that the war is decidedly over in Russia’s favour.

 

And when we emerge from it, when the muck flops, it’s going to be a totally different world from that that preceded February 2022.

 

There is no war, not even a 100 years war, that has ever created such a disaster for the West as this war! This NATO war, to ruin Russia. Russia has had 12, 600 sanctions imposed on it. It’s emerged stronger! It’s got a higher GDP than the West, [?] it’s got lower interest rates on absolutely everything. They’ve emerged from. It very successful while we are digging our own graves. There you are. Thank you for the opportunity for bringing you up to date, Andrew.

 

[15:38]

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Well, thank you so much, Mike, for that detailed analysis there. Very, very interesting.

 

And what I’m going to ask Mike about, many of you will know that Mike led the British movement. A political party, for many years, and took over from Colin Jordan, who took over from Arnold Lease. So certainly Arnold Lease is someone that I’ve read a lot about. I’m not so keen on Colin Jordan. I think I can speak for Mike as well there [chuckling].

 

But the reason I mention this is that there’s a guy who’s called Charlie, calls himself Charlie Big Potatoes. Interesting name, but his real name is Kristofer Kearney. And I’ve been following this case because, well, let me read to you from the Liverpool Echo newspaper online. This is from the 8 May:

 

“Charlie Big Potatoes claimed Hitler did nothing wrong. Court told Kristofer Thomas Kearney used the name Charlie Big Potatoes on Telegram when he shared the manifesto of Norway killer Anders Breivik, but said he did not know it was among the library of literature he posted as he just gave it a quick scan. A judge will determine whether posts shared by Kearny were reckless or if the evidence is consistent with an intent to encourage terrorism.

The self described British fascist is part of the Right-wing group known as Patriotic Alternative. He added the main aim of the organisation was not to become minorities in our own home. The Old Bailey heard. The 38 year old, who is originally from Liverpool, told Telegram users ‘Adolf Hitler showed people the way’ and ‘did nothing wrong’.

The defendant, a former soldier in the Parachute Regiment, regularly featured on Right-wing podcasts. He also set up his own channel called Fascist Fitness to hand out exercise and fitness tips.

An image of Kearny with a National Action flag was shown in court, which the defendant said was taken at an anti-grooming gang rally in Darlington. He is said to have been an active member of the neo-Nazi group until a week before it was banned for glorifying the murder of MP Joe Cox.

Kearny was extradited from Spain to face charges last September and pleaded guilty to two offences of disseminating terrorist publications.

He is believed to be the first member of Patriotic Alternative to be convicted of terrorist offences. On Friday, May the fifth. Last Friday, Ged O’Connor, defending, set out how Kearney was unaware he was posting Breivik’s manifesto. Prosecutor Naomi Parsons told the court Kearny’s Telegram channel contained themes of ‘White genocide’, anti-semitism and the glorification of Nazi Germany. Ms. Parsons said:

‘These themes are depicted by violence. There are numerous videos that suggest violence is looming. Violence is inevitable. The evidence is consistent with intent rather than recklessness. It is evident from the defendant himself, the images and words he has said, which suggest he is of the mind that violence is inevitable and that others should commit acts of violence.’

But Kearny told the court he viewed violence as ‘counter-productive’ and when questioned if he believes in violence, responded, ‘No other than in self defense, no.’

The offences relate to two Telegram posts on January 23 and March the 8th, 2021, which disseminated dozens of documents encouraging extreme Right-wing terror attacks, including the manifestos of Christchurch mosque killer Brenton Tarrant and Breivik, who murdered 77 people in Norway. Two other far-Right extreme extremist manifestos related to Texas Walmart, mass killer Patrick Crusius and John Earnest, who shot people at the California synagogue in 2019.

In 2021 he posted a numbered list and links to 89 extreme Right-wing documents. It is believed he was head of Fitness at Patriotic Alternative and regularly shared posts from its accounts such as White Lives Matter banners.

The issue of Kearney’s motivation will be decided on Tuesday before he is sentenced.”

 

[19:58]

 

Now, I found out that the court case was starting at 10:30 a.m., Tuesday, May the 9th. And I thought that he was just going in there to be sentenced because he’d gone guilty. But what he’s actually said I’ve been frantically trying to find things because I thought that I’d be able to present what was put in the media, present his sentence, get Mike’s response.

 

But the best I’ve come up with is this is 3 hours ago as we’re recording this off Twitter. So this is happening at 11:40 am UK time in his court. There’s five Twitter posts, but I’ll read them all together:

 

“Kristofer Kearney is back in the witness box. He is being cross examined by prosecutor Naomi Parsons at a New Tupton hearing after pleading guilty to sharing terrorist documents on his Telegram channel. She is going through some of the documents he linked to. Among them were the manifestos of Anders Breivik, Brenton Tarrant, Dylan Roof and Patrick Crusius, all of whom committed massacres against Left-wingers, Muslims, black people, and Latinos, in that order. And the novel, turner diaries. The Turner Diaries is a novel, which says Ms Parsons, depicts a revolution against the Jewish controlled government which leads to the creation of a new White order after an apocalyptic war.

She says Professor Paul Jackson says it and the manifestos gave moral justification for extremist Right-wing terrorists. Judge Marks asked Kearney if he was horrified at Professor Jackson’s opinion that he was encouraging political violence. He says, ‘He is.’

The court are being shown videos he posted on his Telegram channel. They include one which appeared to be produced by Russian far-Right and included the term ‘White Jihad’, and another which was violently anti-semitic.”

 

So this is pretty much all the up to date information that I can get so far. I’ve also got a statement from Patriotic Alternative on Kristofer Kearney, known as Charlie Big Potatoes. But before I read what they say, their statement on him. Any comments? Mike, over to you.

 

[022:12]

 

Mike Walsh: Well, there seem to be in the British Right-wing at least is a political in-sophistication. We have strong Right-wing movements throughout Europe and they wouldn’t be so foolish to be publishing things like that, certainly without making it absolutely clear that they did not support it. So it’s whether there was an “intent to” and with the likes of Brevik’s manifesto, who was a Left-winger anyway, and gave a clinched fist salute, which, ridiculously, the press said was a Nazi salute. I never ever saw a National Socialist in my life giving a clinched fist salute. But there you are, that’s the press. They turn the truth on its head.

 

But as far as I’m aware, Brevik’s manifesto has been published in the mainstream media! And much of the information that you’ve otherwise mentioned has likewise been covered. So it’s whether it is done with any “intent”. Now, this is where he has to wriggle out, if he’s not diplomatic enough in the first place, to be very careful about what he post. He’s got to make absolutely certain in what he posts that he doesn’t support it. He’s a news reporter.

 

That’s what I do with Europe Renaissance. I’m not supporting violence, I’m not a violent person, and I don’t think that violence achieves anything at all except bloodshed. It never has done. It’s got to be debate, and that’s the way I make it absolutely clear.

 

And this is what he should.

 

But he’s been very unwise in publishing this sort of thing. The days are gone when you could pick up a copy. I used to sell it in the days of the British movement. I was a leader of the British movement for 15 years. Not two or three years like Colin Jordan, but for 15 years.

 

And in those days you could sell the Turner Diaries. It was one of those I did. I used to sell the United States, Army Survival Manuals, and how to make explosives and all the rest of it. You can’t do that anymore!

 

These people need to drag themselves into the 20th century. There has been a quiet revolution which has turned against anybody of conservative thinking. All of my books have been banned, and yet they’re absolutely tame compared with some of the books that he has been perhaps or seem to be promoting! And they’ve certainly got to be a little bit more sensible in what they do, or stay out of comment altogether. We don’t have a free press! We don’t live in a free country!

 

As I said earlier, Andrew, we are living, and we’ve got to accept the fact that we are living in a totalitarian society and we are very limited to what we can do. And we have to be particularly careful about the way we handle world affairs. I do. Everybody else does.

 

But this again explains why Britain, alone in Europe, is showing the smallest Right-wing unity of any of them. Even Sweden has got a far stronger Right-wing than has Britain. The National Front is gone. The British National Party is gone. The National Party is gone. There is nothing!

 

[25:37]

 

As soon as anything reaches any level in which they can potentially achieve anything, a division occurs. It is so predictable. It’s like December the 25th! You know it’s going to be Christmas Day. And, you know, that as soon as a political party, a political movement in Britain, as soon as they get to any strength at all, where they could start vying for some kind of influence anyway, it divides and splits.

 

But you got your Brothers of Italy*. In Italy, it’s powerful! It’s in government!

 

[* Brothers of Italy (Italian: Fratelli d’Italia, FdI) is a national-conservative and Right-wing populist political party in Italy, the country’s largest after the 2022 Italian general election. The party is led by Giorgia Meloni, the incumbent Prime Minister of Italy.]

 

You got Marie Le Pen in France. That if they would hold an election, everybody regrets having voted for Macron. If there was an election tomorrow, then Marie Le Pen, the former National Front leader, would walk it!

 

It’s the same in Spain. Vox is now the most powerful kingmaker in the Spanish government in Madrid. But right the way through. You’ve got the AFP in Germany, you’ve got the Swedish, you got the Danish. Every single one of them is far more sophisticated, politically sophisticated, and aware than Britain. Britain, really, in terms of political activity, is really in the “pram stage”. It’s a Toddler. And I just about give up on it, simply because those who could have done anything with it, like myself, like John Tyndal, like Martin Webster, perhaps, and certainly like the others that preceded us, Oswald Mosley, what a great man he was! Have we ever been in a world in which there was a greater need for Oswald Mosley? There aren’t anymore. But it will take some kind of a social revolution anyway to change things.

 

And as I said before, Andrew, we’re going through a collapse. I’ve just done a story today in Europe Renaissance, the European Union is collapsing. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted the collapse of the United States. I predicted the de-dollarisation of the dollar, the United States dollar. I predicted a shift to Russia, as did [word unclear] incidentally. So everything is happening just as I predicted.

 

So what you’re going to have in Europe, is you’re going to have a complete collapse of the European Union and one country after another, they’re already starting, they’re starting to shift their alliance from across the Atlantic. America will become self sufficient. It will withdraw all of its bases and all the rest of it. It doesn’t have any choice. It’s being kicked out of the Middle East. It’s being kicked out of the Persian Gulf. It’s being kicked out of Africa, it’s being kicked out of Indonesia. Everywhere else.

 

What we’re saying now is another collapsing empire, which on this day, in which the Russians call it Victory Day, good luck to that one. It just kept coming as I’m going for another 45 years. And the Gulag and everything else we were supposed to afford, it would just put them in charge. But there you are. I hope I didn’t wander off topic there.

 

[28:57]

 

But people have to be more circumspect when they’re publishing things, when they are living, as we are, in a totalitarian state. Britain is in a totalitarian state. It’s only three or four days ago when Republicans who wanted to simply put up placards and hand out leaflets calling for a referendum on the leadership, that kind of sovereignty of Britain, King Charles III, that’s all we were protesting. There was no violence or absolutely anything at all. They’ve all been released without charge, but they were all rounded up. If that doesn’t tell you whatever your views are on the Royal family, if that doesn’t tell you that you’re living in a totalitarian state, then I’m afraid you missed the boat altogether. Thank you, Andrew.

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you, Mike. And I have actually got a conclusion to this Christopher Kearney case, though not the one that I guess most people the sort of final conclusion, if you like. But again from Twitter, where is it? Here. This is from 2 hours ago:

 

“Judge Mark says he will need to have a report from the probation service before he delivers sentence. He says sentencing of Kristofer Kearney will have to be put off for a month or so.”

 

Okay. So there is not going to be any verdict today, which is what I expected. So no doubt he has been returned to prison because when he was extradited to hear from Spain, I believe he was put in Chemlsford Prison [in Essex]. And initially he was going by video link to the court to submit his pleas. But it looks like what we were reporting today, that he actually was in the witness box today being spoken to by the prosecuting barrister.

 

But I want to go over to, … They mentioned in this other post, The Turner Diaries. Now I remember the Turner diaries were being carried on Amazon for many years.

 

In fact, I just checked to see if it was. I checked both the American site and the UK site and it isn’t. But there is something that is being carried on there. You can, however, go to Ebay. And I’ve typed in the Turner Diaries. Yeah. And several results have come up. People are selling it, so it’s very easy to get along with the book Hunter, which was by the same author.

 

And of course, Andrew McDonald was actually a pseudonym of National Alliances William Pierce.

 

[31:39]

 

But let’s go over to Amazon now. One thing that I thought was banned, and I’m sure I’d read about this being listed when people are being tried for whatever they want to call it, hate or terrorism or what have you. One publication that they don’t like is The Anarchist Cookbook. But on Amazon Co UK, you can buy the paperback for 21 pound, 36 Pence. Or you can buy a Kindle edition. It’s had its little Kindle work done. And it’s the original version by all looks of it. I’ll give you the description here:

 

“The Anarchist Cookbook will shock it, will disturb it, will provoke. It places in historical perspective an era when turn on, burn down, blow up are revolutionary slogans of the day. Says the author.

This book is not written for the members of fringe political groups such as the Weathermen or the Minutemen. Those radical groups don’t need this book. They already know everything that’s in here. If the real people of America, the silent majority, are going to survive, they must educate themselves. That is the purpose of this book. In what the author considers a survival guide. There is explicit information on the uses and effects of drugs, ranging from pot to heroin to peanuts. There is detailed advice concerning electronics, sabotage and surveillance, with data on everything from bugs to scramblers. There is a comprehensive chapter on natural, nonlethal and lethal weapons, running the gamut from cattle prods to submachine guns to bows and arrows. The section on explosives and booby traps ranges from TNT to whistle traps. 111 drawings supplement the recipes.

This book is for anarchists, says William Powell. Those who feel able to discipline themselves on all the subjects, from drugs to weapons to explosives that are currently illegal in this country. Techniques, disciplines, precautions and warnings pervade. That what may be the most disquieting how to book of contemporary times available on Amazon.”

 

And I’m just going to look at one review here that I noticed. It says:

 

“With power comes responsibility. First published in the turbulent sixties, this book has attained a sort of cult status for that time. It reflects many of the mores and problems of that generation of young people and is worth it for a read for that, if for no other reason.”

 

But get this:

 

“So far as bomb making and all of that, the book is technically good. But the methodology involving use of nitrogen compounds, particularly red fuming nitric acid and cotton to make gun cotton is fundamentally unsound and unsafe. You could blow a hand off, or worse, very easily following Powell’s directions.”

 

So here’s a reviewer saying that this book could actually tell you how to blow things up. Just maybe you’d be harming yourself in the process.

 

Mike, as someone who had all his books removed from Amazon, did your books give any ideas to people as to how they could make bombs that Amazon still sells books about like this?

 

[34:50]

 

Mike Walsh: None at all. The one of the hated of the most was Europe Arise, which was purely a defense manual for the White people. And that there was absolutely nothing that anybody could object to, but it was White. But the book that you’re just talking about, The Anarchist Cookbook, that was, of course, always a Left-wing book from the 1960s. And I shouldn’t think that if the police were to do their job and the Crown Prosecution Service, if that is what it’s called, was to do their job, and make some up raids in the Left-wing and the black power movement and all of the radical Left-wing movements, they would be able to jail the lot for the rest of their lives.

 

But of course, they’re not interested. The only one that puts the fear of God of them, the only side that puts up the fear of God of them is the conservative Right. And we see evidence of this all the time and they don’t like those who expose government.

 

Now, how can Britain possibly describe itself as a free society when in the high security Belmarsh prison. His Majesty’s Belmash Prison. You have Julian Assange, a genuine journalist, who has never, ever been prosecuted for anything, that he has ever written! Even the Brazilian Prime Minister this week, Lula, he condemned it. Everybody has condemned it. Mexico has condemned it. The entire world is standing up to the totalitarianism of the West, and Britain is in the forefront of that!

 

So when you’ve got the likes of Assange in jail, yet they’re selling, openly, The Anarchist Cookbook, then there is something radically wrong with society. And it is not the radical Right, it is the radical people who occupy the seats of power.

 

And this is what we’ve got to be up against.

 

Now, what you’ve got to be careful of here is that if you were to purchase this book, if you were read it for any reason at all, and the police confiscated it, they could claim, as the gentleman that you’ve just been talking about, is that you’re using it for ulterior motives. So you’ve got to be careful of what you possess. I always said that if you’re going out for a night out, there are so many attacks on Whites by blacks now that you really need to carry something that protects yourself. Now you’re not allowed to defend yourself in Britain. This is against the law, to defend yourself.

 

So if you take a knife, or well, you wouldn’t take a gun, even though it’s legal for you to carry one. No, it’s got to be. You couldn’t do it. But I always said, take a bunch of keys with you, and put your finger through the ring of the bunch of keys and use it as a knuckle duster. It is absolutely devastating! Far more damage than a knife could cause. But it’s legal. How are they going to prosecute you for carrying a bunch of keys in your house? Everybody walks around with the debit card and the credit card and plastic cards like it in their wallet. It’s nastier than any open razor, in opening a face. I did this for the ladies, primarily because the ladies are being attacked by migrants.

 

[38:19]

 

So I said:

 

“Take your card out, put it between your fingers and use it to open the skin of anybody’s faces who attacks you!”

 

And showed them how to stick your fingers up and attack his nostrils and rip back! Or how to give them a belt in between the eyes because it breaks the bone and goes into the eyes, but only at defense! And I have to make that absolutely clear all the time!

 

The British troops, when we had an empire and they were not allowed to carry guns, they carried a rolled up newspaper, because a rolled up newspaper, when you grasp it in your hand and bring up the rolled up bit onto somebody’s chin or into between their legs, is absolutely devastating!

 

But another trick that I always used to say is take a bottle of lemonade, or any bottle of bottle of beer. There’s no law against carrying a bottle of beer home.

 

But if you are surrounded by four or five thugs then you break the bottle of beer you hold onto it’s neck and you got a dozen vicious knives in your hand! At least you’ve got a chance. But this way it is very, very difficult for the state police. I don’t like calling them police officers anymore, just simply because they swear allegiance to the monarch. A lot of people apparently did that a few days ago. But it doesn’t make them officers, does it?

 

So I don’t like using the term “police officer”. Making an oath of allegiance to his majest, in my book, does not make an officer. I came from a society in which an officer was somebody of great competence who took a ship from Liverpool to Rio Janeiro and could do it competently and take it anywhere else in the world. That was an officer. An officer was somebody in the armed forces in the Royal Navy or in the Air Force, the Royal Air Force, or in the army. And they were well, officers.

 

But to relate, police officers I call them “state agents” as they were in Eastern Europe, as they were in East Germany. They were state operatives. And they’re not policemen! I say a policeman because I came from an earlier generation. I see a policeman as a Bobby who helps children across the road who helps grannies who are struggling with their bags and shows people the way. Not these uniformed pretend soldiers that we have now.

 

The people who wouldn’t go into a British Army uniform in case it brought a threat to them. But they wear a policeman’s uniform. I just don’t accept them as officers at all. But there you are. I think again, I went off topic. It’s typical of me. I hope people can live with me.

 

[41:14]

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you, Mike. But you didn’t really go off topic. It was quite helpful because I’ve got, … This is the only self defense DVD I’ve got. I looked into this a few years ago. I’ve never been very good at, … When I was at police training school they used to do this thing you could do extra PE in an evening and stuff like that. There’d be a guy at the front doing all these movements and you’re copying them and stuff like that.

 

But I’m just all over the place.

 

So there were some people from my class and friends of mine that had come along just to watch how I was trying to keep up because it looked like I had Saint Vitus’ dance* or something. I just couldn’t do the moves that the instructor was doing that everyone else had seemed to do. So I’ve always been all over the place for things like that.

 

[* St. Vitus’s dance. Saint Vitus’s dance is another name for chorea, a disorder marked by involuntary spasms of the limbs and facial muscles.]

 

Consequently, I was trying to do the extra classes for, … It was called UDT, Unarmed Defense techniques. But a few years ago I bought this DVD that’s actually quite entertaining as well. The guy who does it, there are some out-takes at the end which are quite funny as well. I suppose that’s not the real reason for getting it. But it’s called “Self defense, empty hands and with everyday items”. It’s by a guy called Franck Ropers. Now, Franck is spelt F-R-A-N-C-K. Ropers. R-O-P-E-R-S. It’s available from Amazon in the UK. At least for about 15 pounds, new. And on the back it says:

 

“An item that can look harmless can become a formidable weapon. To know how to use the surroundings is a basic asset for self defense.

 

Therefore, it’s important to be able to use the improvised weapons found anywhere around you. Thus, a pen, a key or even a newspaper may, if needed, be improvised as a weapon and save your life. To this day, Franck Ropers remains an undisputed expert in fighting. In this video, he shows you his self defense method based on the Indonesian martial art, the “Pencak silat”*, a devastating discipline.”

 

[*Pencak silat is an umbrella term for a class of related Indonesian martial arts. In neighbouring countries, the term usually refers to professional competitive silat. It is a full-body fighting form incorporating strikes, grappling and throwing in addition to weaponry.]

 

And as I say, I’ve watched it and I think I’ll have another look at it actually, because people who listen regularly know watch quite a few things.

 

So I’m going to put that to look at again. Because the way that he does it, he’ll do the move, someone set up scene, someone comes to threaten him, trying to attack him, and then he does it. And then he does it bit by bit to show you what moves where. And it sounds complicated, but believe me, if I could follow it, you certainly can.

 

So it’s something worth looking at.

 

And as Mike says, you have to be so careful with what you possess now. I mean, in Ireland, they’re even looking to pass a law to jail people for having things on their computer that they don’t like. Doesn’t matter if you’ve distributed it or not. And we’re not talking about things that should be prosecutable, like child pornography. We’re talking about a meme that they don’t like, a radio show that they don’t like. You don’t have to have distributed it. If you own it, they can jail you. That’s the law that they want to pass.

 

[44:26]

 

But before we go, I did say that I was going to read a Patriotic Alternative statement on Kristofer Kearney. Now, this went up on March the first [2023]. So let me just read this for Mike now and then we’ll get his comments and then we’ll go:

 

“Earlier today, March the first, Kristofer Kearney, better known online as Charlie Big Potatoes, pleaded guilty to recklessness at the Old Bailey in relation to sharing a number of documents deemed as illegal.

Firstly, it is important to make clear what has actually taken place here. Christopher shared a link to a page on Telegram which contained a library of over 10,000 books. Among those books, which included novels, health and fitness advice, gardening tips, and historical texts were a number of items that are banned by the UK government, including a number of manifestos linked to individuals who carried out unconscionable acts. It is also important to note that the banned items made up less than 1% of the total items in the library.

Secondly, Kristofer maintains that he shared the link in good faith, without full knowledge of what was present in the library.

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However, he concedes that his actions were ‘reckless’ and as such he has pleaded guilty with a view to a reduced sentence.

Finally, Kristofer was living in Spain when the offence took place and the actions were not committed on British soil, nor were they deemed illegal in Spain. Kristofer also has a young family and his partner gave birth to his fourth child shortly before he was arrested and remanded in custody. He has now spent over twelve months in custody, missing the majority of his young child’s life.

As such, we understand why he is eager to bring these legal proceedings to a close and be reunited with his family. We also understand the severity of the charges.

However, we must stress that the link that Kristofer shared was done so on his own private page. It was never shared to a Patriotic Alternative page. And it was not shared in any official capacity. We completely disavow any form of violence and or terrorism and are completely committed to peaceful Democratic change through our community building program.

This case should serve as a warning to all those using any online platform or social network as to the dangers of doing so under new government anti-terror legislation. By sharing links online from sources that you cannot trust or are unsure of, you may well be putting yourself and others at risk.

We urge all those within the nationalist community to exercise caution when interacting online and remind all those associated with Patriotic Alternative that we have a code of conduct which forbids the use of racial slurs or advocacy of undemocratic means of achieving political change. We also hope that this case will now be swiftly concluded and that Kristofer and his family will be reunited as soon as possible.”

 

So I think that we certainly learnt a few things there, didn’t we Mike, that we didn’t hear in the Twitter posts I read or the Liverpool Echo article I read, didn’t we?

 

[47:47]

 

Mike Walsh: He’s been targeted, hasn’t he? And he’s been very unwise because he’s given them the ammunition that they were looking for. And this is where we’ve all got to be careful. We mustn’t provide the enemy, which is the State, with the ammunition that they’re looking for. So we’ve just got to be more careful than we have done in the past.

 

As I said before, some of these books, they were openly sold. All of the US manuals, I was making reasonable money out of those when I was running the British moment. How to how to make improvised weapons, I seem to remember one of them. And my own book, Behind Enemy Lines, very, very popular books.

 

There is absolutely no way that they could be published today! So, as I say, we’ve slipped into a totalitarian state. We’ve got to accept that. You’re not going to see the headlines in the morning that Britain is now a totalitarian state, but it’s pretty damn obvious you can’t do anything, as the Republicans found out a few days ago during the Coronation, you can’t even hold a placard up now without the permission of the police! And that is a Police State.

 

I don’t care whether you’re Left or Right, Conservative or Labour or Liberal or Green, that is a totalitarian state! We’ve got to accept it and we’ve got to work our way through it, same as other people have done.

 

But they brought by mostly peaceful means, they brought the Soviet Union to this Eastern Bloc and the Soviet Union, actually, they brought it to its knees. There was very, very little violence. There was no violence at all, really, in the how many? 14 or 15 years from 1919 to 1933, when Adolf Hitler was elected, January 30, 1933. A lot of time passed.

 

But as Hitler, who was always against violence, he said himself that there were more people died in the two or three day abortive uprising, the Easter Uprising in Dublin, than died during the entire period of the National Socialist rise to power. So National Socialism and Fascism, it doesn’t have to have violence, just truth on his side, courage, and help those who are fighting on the front line. This is our weakness today. We don’t get behind our leaders, and that’s something that we should do!

 

[50:11]

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you, Mike. And we’ve got a couple of minutes left, so let’s run through quickly Mike’s website.

 

And of course, we’ve got Europe Renaissance.com, which is something that I visit every day.

 

And if you want to go sort of get the most recent articles, you can scroll down to the slider. So there you go.

 

So at the moment, Knife Madness, Merkel’s Mayhem brings an epidemic of knife crime to Germany. Then we’ve got Russian SU 35 jet nearly knocks Polish patrol plane out of the sky over the Black Sea. US presidential candidate blames CIA for JFK assassination. That’s Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Of course.

 

And then, “You can shove your Coronation up your arse”, which is basically what the Liverpool fans were singing, or certainly a significant enough section of them at a recent Liverpool football match, showing that not everybody was behind the Coronation.

 

And I just saw along the top, it just went past me, the slider “Mass roundup of anti-monarchists in London”. And I even saw a BBC article. I was just looking on the BBC site because it was a top headline, where the Met police have actually admitted that they regret arresting these people. I think it was kind of a knee jerk thing. It was a case of:

 

“This is the Coronation, we’re just going to take anyone away that we’re worried about and then we’ll worry about the consequences later.”

 

That’s the way I see it.

 

And so now they’re all quick to apologise now, but they’d have still done the same thing in hindsight, in my opinion, because they just wanted that, whatever you want to call the Coronation, they wanted that to run without a hitch as much as possible. So they might claim to be regretful now, but as I say, I doubt they have done anything differently. What are your thoughts, Mike, before we go?

 

Mike Walsh: Yeah, they’re very selective in applying and dragging on the kid gloves. I remember a long time ago, must be 50 years ago, it was three or four of us, we went to Chester, beautiful city, and we took a part of the payment. We were not under anybody’s feet and we lifted three or four placards up, End Immigration Now, that’s all. End Immigration Now, Keep Britain, White, that sort of thing, very inoffensive. Within two minutes, the police came onto us and removed us. They said:

 

“Take your banners down and move away from here, otherwise we’ll all be arrested!”

 

And that was 50 or 60 years ago. But you’re seeing now these climate activists and all the rest of it, they’re gluing themselves to motorways. They’re calling in the most awful mayhem.

 

Well, I’ll tell you, if those ecology minded people were to lift a placard saying, Keep Britain, White, then they will not see the same kid gloves with them. The people who go into museums and art galleries and throw paint over priceless artifacts and paintings and sculptures and things like that, they get the kid glove treatment. But if any one of them was a Conservative, they would get 15 years in jail and fines up to 100,000! They would bankrupt them!

 

[53:43]

 

So it’s a very political, politicised political structure now, police structure. So the Left-wing can get away with more or less anything. The black power movement, the Black Rights movement and all the rest of it. It seems to me that there’s nothing they can do that is going to end them up in a jail.

 

But we’ve seen the gentleman that you were talking about earlier, just for something perfectly innocent, he should have been a little bit more diligent in what he was sending out. You got to be careful, and he wasn’t careful, so they will grab him.

 

There are lots of journalists out there who are saying things, but they’re not anti-State, so we are living in a totalitarian State. Please accept it and respond to it by working sensibly within it, work within the rules, and that will frustrate the people who want you behind bars. They want you behind bars. Don’t help them, as this gentleman obviously did.

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you so much, Mike. We’re going to end it there today.

 

So I want to thank Mike so much for joining us today on a show entitled “Be Careful Out There”. I want to thank all of you for listening. I’ll, of course, be back with more tomorrow.

 

Until then, folks, have a wonderful day. Be careful out there. And bye for now.

 

[55:56]

 

 

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Colin Jordan: At the tender age of 14 – that was 1937 – an aunt of mine took me over there, took a loan. It was a holiday under the auspices of something then called the Anglo Continental Family Centre. The idea was that you got that much more out of a holiday if you stayed with a German family. And that is what we did. I had a fortnight there.

 

 

There was a most amazing incident on, I think, the second day that I was there. And I should just briefly say that as a background, I was regarded by the headmaster of my then school as quite a problem. So much so that I believe on one occasion he was heard to remark that:

 

“Either he would have to leave or I would have to leave!”

 

Anyhow, this second day came, we were waiting near the opera house for a coach for some excursion, and I looked down the street and I thought:

 

“This figure coming along seems to look rather like my headmaster!”

 

But of course it couldn’t be! Anyhow it was! And of all the countries, and of all the places, and of all times, he too would come under the auspices of the Anglo Continental Family Centre to stay with the German family [chuckling]! I’ve never really decided whether he was more embarrassed at seeing me, or I was more embarrassed at seeing him. But it had a good effect because he was struck by the coincidence and our relations were a little bit better thereafter.

Yes, that was 1937. And although I can’t say that then I was really, politically, active, I wasn’t. It was just on the threshold. On the other hand, I appreciated the atmosphere which was most remarkable, and in my experience, unprecedented. That euphoria which was general in in the population over there.

 

 

Now, I’d gone there over age of 14, having had something of the hostile propaganda reflected on me. Nevertheless, I’ve been told, for instance, that there’s no such thing as milk readily available in Germany to ordinary citizens. The concentration is on guns instead of butter and dairy products.

 

 

Now that rather worried me because I was quite a consumer of milk at that age. I think the first day when I went for a walk in the town, to my surprise I saw milk advertised everywhere. Well, from that time on, as you can understand, I was no longer prepared to accept at faceworth what I saw in the newspapers. So that was a kind of a beginning of an awakening.

 

But overall, to be brief about it, even though I wasn’t then politically active, I couldn’t have failed to be impressed by the feeling of well being and confidence in the future that was manifest everywhere in Germany. There was a joyfulness! There was a joy in living that I’ve never come across anywhere else and you certainly won’t find in this country today!

 

The Birmingham Nationalist Club

 

The Birmingham Nationalist Club was a short lived affair created after I had finished at Cambridge. During the war I was successful in getting what was called an “Exhibition”, which was a minor scholarship, but it was held on one side until the end of the war and I then went to Cambridge from 1946 to 1949.

 

 

After finishing Cambridge, I came back to live, for the time being, south of Birmingham. And out of that period we created, myself and several others, we created what we called the Birmingham Nationalist. Now, that really sought to bring together a variety of people, simple nationalists, racial nationalists, national socialists.

 

Now, that came to an end. Well, no, it didn’t. It wouldn’t be quite true to say it came to an end. Someone else continued it after I left to take up a teaching job in Yorkshire. I came to Yorkshire for several years, turning to a teaching job as a way of gaining plenty of time to pursue my political ideas.

 

So that really was Birmingham Nationalist Club in a nutshell. A short-lived affair for a variety of kindred people, politically kindred people. It was continued, as I’ve indicated, after I took up this employment in Yorkshire for a time, but it folded up eventually.

 

[06:22]

 

The White Defence League

 

It was created in 1958, roundabout the time of the Notting Hill riots. And I then had the chance of premises in Notting Hill in Princedale Road, number 74 Princedale Road. A building which had originally been purchased by Arnold Leese for the benefit of Britons Publishing Society. Arnold Lease died in 1956 and his widow, not long afterwards, made the premises available to me in place of Britons Publishing Society, who moved to somewhere else in the same part of London.

 

 

Now, the White Defence League lasted from 1958 to 1962, when the National Socialist movement was created. No, I must correct that. I must correct that. The White Defence was founded a little later than 1958. It might have been 1959. I’m a little hazy on its precise birth date.

 

Anyhow, it achieved quite a lot of prominence for a small and short lived venture. By that I mean it resulted in my appearance on the Panorama Program. That has its amusing aspects [chuckling]. In the morning, I was interviewed at the home of a sympathizer in the Nottinghill area. I just don’t recall the name of the interviewer for Panorama, but he was someone who went on to a diplomatic position in North America.

 

Anyhow, it was quite a fair and quite a lengthy interview, when it was eventually shown. It was really quite good. Now, at the end of that morning interview, I was told that there was to be a second part of things and that was to be at their studios. And that their plan then was to have a number of, I suppose, what we called “showbiz people” present and then go the rounds asking them their opinion of this horrible man and his horrible organization and perhaps give me a little chance of a reply.

 

So, I duly went along and they’ve got Johnny Danquis and Cleo Leyden, and another fellow now. I forget some of the names now, I must admit. Anyhow, they’ve got a scene suggestive of a kind of pub, and they went around asking these people their opinion, which I need hardly stressed was not exactly complimentary to me and my organization. And then they came back to me. And that was it.

 

Of course, in that afternoon event, they gave the preponderance of opportunity to the other side, speaking. If only for the morning affair, it was very worthwhile. I was quite pleased when I saw it shown. That was quite a thing for the White Defence League. It had quite a lot of publicity. And although it was in the very centre of Notting Hill, we survived.

 

In fact, such were the different conditions of those days that we could send out teams of leaflet distributors. And they could go out in that area of Notting Hill and they could put their leaflets through doors and they could emerge afterwards and return still alive! I mean, that wouldn’t be the case today, [chuckling] I’m quite sure! Yes, things were that much different then! We had a wire grill over what was the shop window on the ground floor, on the inside of which we sort of had posters and literature. And the coloureds used to come along, rather like monkeys! They used to shake the grill! But that’s as far as it went. They didn’t do anything more drastic than that.

 

And so the White Defense League lasted for about a couple of years. It had an amount of publicity out of all proportion to its membership, which is very, very small. And the real significance of the thing, it ended with its amalgamation with something called the National Labour Party, run by John Bean. He got together with me and we decided in favour of an amalgamation. And so that earlier British National Party what was created, with its headquarters at 74 Princedale Road, the old White Defense League premises.

 

In time, tension reached boiling point over those that wanted to follow a distinct National Socialist course and those that didn’t. And those that didn’t found their leadership in John Bean. So there was a split. And out of that split, John Tyndall and I founded the National Socialist Movement at the beginning of 1962..

 

 

Now, we conceived the idea of trying to arrange a meeting in Trafalgar Square as a good launch pad. And [chuckling] to our amazement, we were given the necessary permission. I have to say that after that meeting and Mosley Union Movement meeting that followed shortly afterwards, there was never again, to my knowledge, an occasion when the authorities took the risk of allowing such a meeting.

 

 

Anyhow, this Sunday came, I think it was either the first or the second July 1962. And we went along there. We had a huge placard. It was in sections for ease of transport, that Covid the whole of the span of the plinth in Trafalgar Square, “Free Britain from Jewish Control”. Quite [chuckling] striking that was.

 

And also quite striking was the fact that well before the meeting started, there was a sizable and growing contingent of opponents. At it’s height, I think the crowd came to something in the region of 5,000. But there was about 500 at the front who were largely jews, and if not jews, they were of a Left-wing persuasion. And of course, they showed in no unmistakable way, well before the meeting started, they were there to try and wreck it!

 

 

Now we got going, we got three speakers. Denis Pirie was the first one, John Tyndall was the second, and I was the third.

 

Well, of course, the uproar gathered pace from speaker to speaker, and coming third, I had the full torrent. I must say that we had a fair deal from the police, the likes of which we would not get and no one else would get today. The chapter in charge was a Chief Superintendent Burgoy, and he was a good stick! Really, he could have, if he wanted to, he could have come up with the excuse that things were getting out of hand and he could have stopped the meeting, and stopped it finally at quite an early stage. But he let Pirie carry on.

 

 

Although several, I think it was actually five times, he had to ask us to pause while the police fought to restore order. It was that sort of situation. Well, you know, today they’d never ask you just to pause! They’d be putting you in the van and that would be the end of it.

 

Anyhow, it came to my turn. And I can say that I got within about three or four minutes of the end of my speech when Burgoy said:

 

“I’m awfully sorry, but it’s getting beyond us!”

 

And really it was a seething mass down there. Every conceivable sort of object was being thrown at us. And he closed the meeting.

 

Well, of course, that wasn’t the end of the problem. We had the problem of getting away in one piece. You’ve referred to the front page photograph on the Daily Telegraph and other papers of the battle to get the Land Rover away. I don’t quite remember where John Tyndall had managed to secrete this Land Rover which he was driving, or how he managed to get it back from where he’d hidden it to collect all the gear, you see. But they had quite a fight to get away from the thing.

 

And as you say, there was Martin Webster wielding this placard. I believe that in the end, sort of Tyndall sort of got going, some Jew got in the way, and I believe part of the Land Rover went over part of the jew! Because there were reports of squirming and screaming and whatnot.

 

Anyhow, while all this was taking place, I and others were still on the plinth. And some police officer came up to me and said:

 

“If I were you.”

 

He said:

 

“I’d just go to the other side and drop off.”

 

I thought:

 

“Thanks for nothing!”

 

Because they were still swirling about there. Anyhow, it had to be done. And we dropped off.

 

I remember that in making our way through the remaining throng, there was one Jew and he prostrated himself on the ground and he was saying:

 

“A jewish curse on you! A jewish curse on you!”

 

Not that it seemed to have any permanent ill effect on us, [chuckling] but it was quite amusing.

 

The police closed the underground station for about half an hour, or so, after we’d got through and therefore we were able to get away. And we came out in one piece. And that was Trafalgar Square. [chuckling].

 

But it had quite an impact. I remember, as an example, I remember an American writing and saying:

 

“I was having a bath with the radio on. And there came this news flash that a riot had broken out in downtown London!”

 

That was [chuckling] the Trafalgar Square meeting!

 

 

George Lincoln Rockwell: If I were religious, I would say:

 

“Hitler was the second coming of Christ!”

 

I think Hitler was a gift from Providence. I think he was so far above anything that I’ll be able to accomplish, that it’s almost sacrilegious for me to speak of myself in the same terms as Hitler.

 

Interviewer (male): But this is your objective, to model yourself as closely as possible, …

 

George Lincoln Rockwell: My objective is to carry out what Hitler started! Not to model my own person on Hitler, because this is impossible.

 

Colin Jordan: We set about arranging this camp with the idea of, if at all possible, getting Lincoln Rockwell to attend, and making the most publicity out of it. So it was arranged that he would fly to southern Ireland to the airport there. And we would pick him up, which we did. We smuggled him across the border. I can give you the details if you want.

 

Interviewer (male): Yes, by all means, yes.

 

Colin Jordan: I see. All right.

 

Interviewer (male): A bit of colour to a notorious event.

 

Colin Jordan: Yes, indeed.

 

Well, we got to Shannon Airport on the arranged day. The Air Lingus plane came in from the States, and no Lincoln Rockwell! Well, that of course, really disheartened us. But wisely we decided, well, we’ll stay on another day and try tomorrow. Which we did.

 

And then to our relief, outstepped from the plane, amongst the other passengers this tall figure that couldn’t be anybody other than George Lincoln Rockwell.

 

 

So we set off with him up through Ireland to get to Northern Ireland. Now, on our way down, we had reconnoitered the border, and we had found a little sidetrack well off the main road which we thought would be the way of getting Rockwell across.

 

So having collected him at the Shannon Airport we spent the day leisurely traveling north. We stopped and had some preliminary discussions on the proposed charter for the World Union of National Socialists. And we got to a place called Monahan, near the border. We didn’t know at the time that there was a hot spot for IRA activity.

 

Anyhow, we killed time until it would be suitably dusk. The plan then being that the car would go around the normal way through the checkpoint but it would first of all to the suitable point, it would drop off Rockwell and myself. And we would go the unofficial way and then be picked up by the car afterwards.

 

Something that we didn’t know at the time was that Monahan that day had been playing some other village at football. And in the aftermath the greater part of the population was quite tipsy. So we came to this point on the road where the car went one way and Rockwell and I got off and we pursued our way to the border passing several tipsy people returning home.

 

Rockwell couldn’t believe that it was that sort of innocent explanation from his experience in the States. He was sure that they were agents of something or other. But they weren’t. Anyhow, we reached the border point there were stakes to impede vehicles getting across and then we had to wait for the car.

 

Well now there was smuggling going on at that time so the first headlights which caused us to get up from behind the hedge, were a false alarm. It was smuggling going on and we then began to wonder how much longer we were going to be waiting. I then discovered that Rockwell was susceptible to hay fever and was upset by this crouching about in the grass [chuckling]!

 

Anyhow, before too long other headlights came and it was our car and we got him into England. And we lodged him about three or four days before the camp is due to start at a hotel in Cheltenham under a false name.

 

Now, having got him into the country and being intent on making the maximum publicity and at that time we couldn’t go wrong in attracting press attention. If you blew your nose and you were in the NSM it got a headline. [chuckling] So we announced that we were going to bring Lincoln Rockwell into the country. Of course he was already in the country.

 

Well, I think the Home Secretary was a fellow called Brook then, and he immediately went on record and he says:

 

“We’re not allowing that sort of thing, he won’t be allowed in. I’ve issued orders to all the airport and seaport officials to keep Lincoln Rockwell out!”

 

To keep out the man, in other words, that was sitting in a hotel in Cheltenham.

 

Anyhow, about three days after the camp had started, it was a Saturday, I got him out of the hotel in the evening. And in a rather roundabout way got him into the camp. There was a big camp fire and we’ve got all our people around it. And I stepped forward first of all out of the darkness and said a few words which concluded with me saying:

 

“We had a surprise for them. We had a special visitor, none other than George Lincoln Rockwell!”

 

And he stepped into the firelight. Well, it was really quite a dramatic scene!

 

 

To quote in the subsequent Spearhead trial, witnesses from the Special Branch who had been hiding in the undergrowth period, they said that:

 

“A tremendous cheer went up, and that was when Rockwell arrived!”

 

So there was Rockwell in the camp. He stayed about a day and a half and then we smuggled him out.

 

And having taken a photograph of him in the camp, which we sold to the Daily Mirror, we also set up with a representative amongst the horde of journalists hanging about outside the camp all the time.

 

We also set up a prospective meeting with Palliamach [sp]. The proceeds of which were going to be divided halfway between our NSM and Rockwell’s organization. But the camp had been concluded. I took Rockwell down to London, lodged him in the Cumberland Hotel, and I went to meet the Palliamach chap, as I understood it, in the Charing Cross Hotel.

 

When I got in the Charing Cross Hotel, you could hardly move for journalists! They’d obviously got wind that something was going to happen and they’d followed this Palliamach chap when he’d gone to the Charing Cross Hotel. They had gone too.

 

Well for about an hour or so, I tried to shake them off. I did all the usual tricks like going to the nearest underground station and waiting, you know, until the doors were almost shutting and jumping in. But I couldn’t shake them off. So I just had to leave Rockwell to his own devices.

 

 

And what he did was he assumed after quite a time that things had gone radically wrong, as indeed they had, and so he improvised. There wasn’t the prospect of the Palliamach interview. But he got in touch with the Daily Mirror. And he went along and did an interview with them.

 

 

He told them in the course of his interview, which was perfectly truthful, that having done this interview he intended simply to go along to Scotland Yard and give himself up. His mission was completed and he’d be happy to go back to the States. But he was picked up by the police on his way between the Mirror office and Scotland Yard. They tipped the police off.

 

Anyhow, I forget now how I came to know all this at that time, what had happened, but I did. And I went along to Scotland Yard and there again as an example of how different things were in those days. When I got there, he was being treated in splendid fashion, really. He got several senior police officers chatting with him, all big smiles! And I was allowed up there and had a talk with him. It really was quite amazingly friendly.

 

Anyhow, they did trick us in the sense that they intimated that it’d be quite some time before they deported him. But in point of fact they contrived to get him on a plane, the next morning! But in true Rockwell fashion he had the last word, in the sense that when he got to the top of the steps onto the plane, he turned around, gave the salute, and said:

 

“I’ll be back!”

 

Well, I mean, that was Rockwell all over! It, summed it up, no more need to be said, I’ll be back. As a matter of fact, he never did get back. But it was the Right show of defiance, wasn’t it?

 

[27:50]

 

Interviewer (male): How will you remember him?

 

Woman: I will remember Mr. Rockwell as a tall, handsome, neatly dressed man that came into the laundromat very graciously. I was impressed with the charm of this individual and I was most happy that I could give him a second washing machine. And I’ll remember him just that way, as a very charming man.

 

 

 

Spearhead

 

 

Colin Jordan: Spearhead was created prior to the National Socialist Movement in the later days of the original British National Party. And it was created with the idea of gathering together young and fit members to provide defense at meetings and other activities. I can say in all honesty, for I have no reason to twist things at this stage. I can say in all honesty it was not conceived as an offensive weapon, it was conceived as a defense force! That was during the later days of the British National Party.

 

And when the split took place and the NSM was created, the Spearhead, to a man, went with John Tyndall and myself, into the NSM. There was a uniform, but it was only used indoors as was permissible in terms of the 1936 Public Order Act, which banned public uniform.

 

Of course, the authorities kept a close watch on the organization in general and this formation in particular. And eventually they decided to prosecute us under a little, if ever, used section of the Public Order Act, which provided for the prosecution of bodies which either did, or gave, what they called “reasonable apprehension” either did or gave a reasonable apprehension of being intended to supplant the police and to pursue political objectives by violent means. Now, they prosecuted us and the matter came to trial at the Old Bailey, in a celebrated number one criminal court. Lasted a fortnight.

 

And in the outcome, they succeeded in convicting on the reasonable apprehension part of that section of the law, but failed in respect of trying to establish that we had actually used force. So we were acquitted of actually using force. And as I said, it was never the intention of that formation to use force against opponents. It was defensive. But we were convicted on the grounds of “giving reasonable apprehension”.

 

Well, that’s a lovely elastic phrase that could cover almost anything. They prosecuted through a man called Griffiths, a barrister called Griffiths, a QC called Griffiths, who had been on the prosecuting team at the Nuremberg trial. And they prosecuted after having raided not only the NSM headquarters, but my home in Coventry, and John Tyndall’s home, and the homes of two other prominent members of the Spearhead, Denis Pirie and Roland Kerr-Ritchie. And all sorts of things [chuckling] which they obtained as the results of these raids appeared as exhibits on a very long table at the front of the number one court in the Old Bailey.

 

Prosecution witness called Clancy. He was supposed to be a scientific witness to the fact that some sodium chlorate, weed killer, found in the basement of the NSM headquarters was there with one purpose, and one purpose alone, and that was to make explosives, in the offences conducted by the NSM. I can say in all honesty it wasn’t true at all! And I don’t, to this day, know how that came to be. There there was no garden at 74 Princedale Road. There was no need for weed killer, but there were so many oddments down there that it could have got there for mysterious reasons.

 

Anyhow, Clancy was due to perform. And to perform to the extent of asserting that, this was his theme, that sodium chlorate weed killer was the only readily obtainable household substance that could be used to make exposures.

 

Well, we had a chap in the NSM who knew a bit about chemistry and he said:

 

“This is nonsense!”

 

And he gave me a list of other things, I forget them now at this distance of time, that could be used. And one of them was the old fashioned sore throat remedy, potassium chloride. I think it’s chloride, or chlorate. At any rate, it was potassium something or other, these tablets. And on the morning that Clancy was due to perform, I found time to go to a chemist in Nottinghill and obtain some of the allegedly highly dangerous Pop Chloro [sp] tablets. So there we were. By the way, there was never a vacant seat in the Old Bailey during those 14 days [chuckling]! It was well and truely packed really!

 

 

There we were, and there was Clancy. And he said his piece. And I was then really conducting the defense for all four of us. And so my opportunity came to question Clancy. Well, I went through this list that have been supplied by this knowledgeable member of the NSM. And poor old Clancy became visibly more and more distressed. And then I came to what I regarded as, you know, the final stroke. So I asked the court usher to take down to Clancy a box of matches and a Pop Chloro tablet. And I said:

 

“Now then, Mr. Clancy, will you please taking your right hand the box of matches and will you take in your left hand the Pop Chloro tablet?”

 

Well, there’s a good, satisfying dramatic pause, and Clancy obeyed. You could certainly [chuckling] have heard the proverbial pin drop in the Old Bailey! Well, what on earth are you going to get to next, you see.

 

Anyhow, I said:

 

“Now Mr. Clancy, what I want you to do is with the matchbox in one hand, and the Pop Chloro tablet in the other, take the Pop Chloro tablet and rub it against the abrasive strip on the matchbox.”

 

Well, old Clancy, he looked at one hand for a moment and he looked at the other hand for the moment. And then he did a little jump back and said:

 

“No! I don’t want to burn my fingers!”

 

So that was my cue for saying:

 

“Well, Mr Clancy, you know, really, figuratively speaking, you’ve been burning your fingers throughout your appearance this morning. I mean, it is nonsense, is it not, that sodium chlorate is the only substance that can be used? There’s all sorts of things, including the Pop Chloro that you’ve been handling so delicately!”

 

The prison officer who was in charge of the gallery, after Clancy had, thankfully for himself, disappeared, said:

 

“This is one of the best shows I’ve seen for a long time!”

 

He said [chuckling]:

 

“You really embarrassed him!”

 

So there was good fun.

 

They convicted us at the end, as I said, on the “reasonable apprehension” part of the legislation, and we endured our terms of imprisonment. In my case, it was nominally nine months, with, of course, admission for so-called good conduct. John Tyndall, six months, and Denis Pirie and Roland Kerr-Ritchie, three months.

 

But we gave them a run for their money. We used to go back in the evening and try and think out new stunts for the next day, to keep command of attention. And I think, largely speaking, we succeeded. I know that towards the, well, it was at the end of the proceedings, on one day when the ritual was on behalf of my co-defendants, I had to get up and ask for a renewal of bail overnigh. Or else of course, you were bundled off and spent overnight in the cells.

 

I added to it a request for a subpoena against the then figurehead of the jewish community. And I just forget the details of the matter now, which aren’t very important. The fact was, this came as a fair shock to the audience. And the judge said:

 

“Well, …”

 

He was a man called Barry. That’s right. That was his name, Barry. He said:

 

“I’ll have to think overnight.”

 

Well, that was all right, because the last editions of the Evening Standard, and Star, wasn’t it? They had this headline on the front page:

 

“Jordan asked for subpoena against head of the jewish community.”

 

In the morning he refused. But it had done it’s good work. And we got a good old load of publicity out of it [chuckling].

 

[38:49]

 

 

Savitri Devi

 

 

I suppose it might be about 1960 when I first got to hear of her. Then came the time of the Trafalgar Square meeting and subsequent imprisonment, and she came to see me in prison. Not only came to see me, but saluted me in the approved fashion on doing so, regardless of the prison staff [chuckling]! Much to their amazement, I think!

 

 

And we then had, oh, I should have said before the imprisonment, she came to England to attend the camp we had in the Cotswolds. That took place, of course, shortly before, in the same year, 1962, that the prosecution against the formation called the Spearhead came about. And we were on trial in the number one court at the Old Bailey for a fortnight. It’s quite a memorable affair.

 

 

Yes, Savitri Devi came to see me. She came to the camp and then she came to see me when I was in prison. And I think on one or two other occasions we met afterwards, though it was more probably afterwards by correspondence. I met her in France on a subsequent occasion. I remember that occasion. So I had quite a lot of contact with Savitri. She had a brilliant brain and most extensive knowledge of past history. A very impressive person, too.

 

Interviewer (male): What’s your opinion of her writings?

 

Colin Jordan: Well, she gets way up in the clouds to a very considerable extent. I can’t say that in every single respect I follow her line of thought, but basically I appreciate, and agree with her spiritual conception of National Socialism. She sets it in the context of “Ages”, as a belief in resurgence and renewal, reawakening in the course of the cycles of development and decay.

 

The general principle there I most certainly accept. But as I say, she does lose me a bit sometimes with the the depths of her understanding.

 

[41:40]

 

Rudolf Hess

 

 

I have to start off by vividly remembering my father coming upstairs to my bedroom in 1941 to tell me that he just heard the news about Rudolf Hess’s landing! Of course, he hoped that that was going to lead to a termination of the fratricidal struggle, because neither of my parents were in favour of the war. They weren’t sort of politically involved, as I later became, but they certainly had no enthusiasm for the war.

 

 

But of course, we all know what happened to poor Rudolf Hess after parachuting down. And I continue to feel very strongly on this issue of Rudolf Hess. Certainly from the end of the war. In the earlier British National Party, we for instance, we produced a large, fairly large poster in support of the release of Rudolf Hess, which had supporting details from a number of other organizations. It was a joint effort, that one.

 

 

We put that sort of poster in favour of Rudolf Hess up in prominent places in the West End of London. We did what we could to certainly raise the issue and it continued to be a burning an issue with me right up to at least the time of his death.

 

I visited his wife on a couple of occasions. She by then was living at Gailenberg. She had a guest house there. And on the second occasion I spent a week at this guest house with my mother. She had, of course, Rudolf Hess himself was adept at English and he had quite a large library of English books, all of which ended up in the guest house at Gailenberg. And they were able to have a look at some of them.

 

Frau Hess stressed to me in conversations how devoted her husband had been to the idea of Anglo German friendship, how horror stricken he was when it came to war, and how he had staked all on his heroic attempt to end the war!

 

I was then in touch with, and remained in touch for many years, with a man called Tom Graham. He lived for part of the time in Australia, but for part of the time he lived in the Newcastle area in England. And he was a very devoted man. He’d undergone and suffered a lot for his beliefs. And he put them first in his life and lived quite simply in order to do what he wanted to do in support of those beliefs. And Tom Graham, it was him, he came up with the idea of a memorial at the spot where Rudolf has parachuted down.

 

 

Well, by then I had explored the area myself. It’s not far south of Glasgow, in the Eaglesham area, and I’ve been pleasantly received by the then farmer. I went along unheralded and he was very pleased to take and show me where he got a stone. I don’t quite know how he had arrived at that exact spot, but he had a stone to mark the spot where Rudolf Hess had parachuted down. His plane, of course, had crashed a short distance away, not on that actual farm.

 

Well, I told all of this to Tom Graham, and although Tom was must have been getting into his 80s by then, he took it upon himself to go up there, visit the spot himself, visit the farmer, get the farmer’s agreement to a memorial stone. And a very fine memorial stone he had made. I forget where he was made now, but it really was very fine.

 

[See the following for the full story and additional images:

https://knowledgeispower.life/smashing-the-peace-stone-by-colin-jordan-1999/]

 

It was worded to effect to mark spot where Rudolf Hess had parachuted down in attempt to end the struggle between Britain and Germany. There was nothing that you would say in mentioning that important fact was offensive, not at all.

 

And anyhow, Tom goes up there and with an equally elderly friend of his, they receive, in whatever manner it was, this finely engraved stone and they set it in cement with a border of stones, and the finished job was shown by photographs I have of it was very, very good indeed.

 

Now, I suppose, really, with the wisdom of hindsight, it was something of a mere miracle that it lasted as long as it did! Because it did last about six months, during which time Hess’s son, Wolfgang Rudiger Hess [Nov 18, 1937 – Oct 21, 2001], went up there and saw it, much to his delight. And even entertained the rather fond hope that some kind of gathering could be held there. I must admit I was a bit uncertain about that as a possibility.

 

Anyhow, it lasted about six months and then none less than a [word unclear], Aamer Anwar who was the local official of the Anti-Nazi League, he took advantage of the farmer being away at some stock sales or whatever it was, to take along by prior arrangement, a sledgehammer and a filming team.

 

And so there he was, this character performing in front of the cameras, using a sledgehammer to destroy the monument to a man whose boots he wasn’t fit to lick!

 

I tried for a long time to bring the authorities in one way or another, at one level or another, to do something against this individual for this act. But of course, they covered up for him. I mean, they were quite happy to see it down, I’m sure, in that way.

 

The farmer himself behaved very well, really. He despite the tremendous harassment, as you can imagine, he suffered over the matter, he still said good words in defense of his purpose in having the site marked it that way.

 

 

I’ve not been up there since. And that, of course, was a number of years ago. Well, that was it. The monument to Rudolf Hess’s, really unrivaled feat of personal heroism! To fly into enemy’s sky in the midst of a war, with the idea of making peace, it’s awe inspiring! Awe inspiring! The man should never be forgotten, and always honoured for that tremendous, ….

 

 

Unfortunately, his son, who I kept up regular correspondence with, his son had a kidney trouble and died about two to three years ago. But not before he had written two books.

 

You may be acquainted with them. The first was the general story of his efforts to secure the release of his father. And the other one was exploring and asserting the theme that he’d been murdered. That this story of this poor old man who really couldn’t raise his arm because of arthritis and age to the necessary height to hang himself, and nevertheless hanged himself! He was done done away with!

 

 

Hoess’s contention, very firmly was that there was a distinct prospect, for their own good reasons, of the Russians at long last agreed to his release. And, of course, the fear with the British and the Americans was as to what he would disclose, if and when he was released. I mean, they just couldn’t stand the prospect of that.

 

 

I am firmly convinced that Hess’s son is absolutely right, and that he was, in fact, done away with Rudolf Hess:

 

“The party is Hitler. But Hitler is Germany just as Germany is Hitler.”

 

[51:52]

 

Adolf Hitler

 

 

We can and we do need to look to the National Socialism of the 1930s as providing guidance. Guidance not only in ideas and plans that were formulated, but in the vigour, the devotion which it’s followers then applied. There has been no comparable intensity of belief and of service, I’m afraid, in Britain, in recent times to bear any comparison with Germany.

 

 

My brief visit for a fortnight in 1937 showed me the euphoria that prevailed. It showed me a nation which had risen from defeat to be proud and confident and joyful! There was a joy of living which was inescapably present and which I felt even as the answer in the Germany of those days. And that was due, of course, to the work of thousands who supported him. But at the centre of things, to the inspiration of this one man, this virtual creator in the modern sense of National Socialism.

 

 

He arrived on the scene when the jeopardy of the Ayrans was becoming more and more pronounced, nowhere near as grave as has become the case since his demise. But nevertheless, he came at a time when the jeopardy was very serious. He gave us by his ideas and the force of his personality and the inspiration that that provides. He gave us the opportunity to halt the drift to destruction. And unfortunately, this country took a leading role in bringing it to defeat.

 

 

I constantly wake up in a kind of perspiration in the night to think of this. The extent to which we’re not getting each day nearer and nearer the millennium, but further and further away. To contemplate what was our opportunity in 1939 if instead of going to war against brother nation Germany, we had linked with Germany in furtherance of the interests of our common race. It’s the most painful thought, always coming to me.

 

 

He was the greatest champion the Ayran race has ever seen, or is ever likely to see! That I am absolutely persuaded!

 

 

Of course, if you want to sit back and dissect every single happening of the past, you can produce a list of things you think were of the nature of comparative mistakes. But when I contemplate in what lays greatness, in what he presented, in salvation of the human race, then all the rest pales into utter significance.

 

All the stories of what he did wrong and all the hurt that he inflicted, to my mind pale into insignificance in comparison with what he did and what he offered. There’s never been anyone else in Ayran history who has come forward as such a champion of our race, and who has offered such an opportunity. And in the short period that was allowed to him, his achievements were monumental!

 

 

And so I’m happy to say today, all these years later, what I said in Trafalgar Square in 1962. And that was:

 

“Hitler was right!”

 

Adolf Hitler:

 

 

“We succeeded in giving the Germans a new idea, in uniting our people in that idea and in leading them to a new way of life. This is this century’s greatest achievement for our people.”

 

 

I firmly believe today, as I have always believed, that this is the struggle, the struggle for what reasonably you can establish as the values of life, which is the justification and the explanation and the valuation of life. I firmly believe that even if it could be proved to me that we don’t stand an earthly chance of success in the conventional sense of attaining power, that nevertheless it’s a necessity of being, to fight the good fight as you see it, to the best of your ability. That in itself, I am firmly convinced, is always a victory! What is always a defeat is if you fail to struggle to the utmost of your ability for what rationally you believe in.

 

 

Therefore, although I cannot say that my life, so far at 81, has produced great results in the conventional way of analyzing, I’m satisfied that I have put my life to good purpose, and I have derived great satisfaction from my success in annoying and harming my enemies and what they stand for! I think it has given the meaning to my life.

 

 

Of course, obviously, no one but a fool would reflect on his life without seeing things which could be been done better. Now, that, of course, is perfectly true. But any idea that I would look back with the wisdom of hindsight and say it’s been some kind of gigantic mistake to have pursued the political crusade that I’ve done that is entirely foreign to my outlook and nature. I could have wished, of course, to have done many things better. I could have wished to obtain more success in many ways. But I am satisfied that I put my life to what I regard as good purpose. Fight the good fight, and that’s a victory!

 

[59:33]

 

 

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