Mark Collett: Good evening, everybody. Hello, how are you doing? I hope you are all well and I hope you enjoyed that inspirational and very, very morale boosting intro that was kindly created for us by our media team.

 

 

We are here, of course, to do the PA monthly update. And I’m really excited about tonight because we’ve got a lot to cover. And because of that, we’re going to have a slightly different format tonight. The first half is going to be about activism.

Then we’ve got something very serious to talk about. We’re going to talk about the situation with Charlie Big Potatoes, aka Kristofer Kearny. It’s been widely reported in the press. And I’m going to give some takes on that, but we do have a lot of good stuff to talk about before then.

 

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Now, I’m going to start by introducing our deputy leader, my friend, our wonderful co-host, mother, all round superstar, Laura Tower. How are you doing today, Laura? Are you as pumped up and as excited about this stream as I am?

 

Laura Towler: Yes. Well, thank you for that introduction. Yeah, this is my favourite stream of the month. I absolutely love it! It’s just amazing to look back at all the work that we’ve done and all the effort that our activists have put in and celebrate it, really. So I always love this stream. It’s been a very busy month. We keep sort of saying that PA’s getting bigger and bigger and bigger, but I think everyone saw in February how active we were, just going from strength to strength.

 

So, yeah, we’ve got so much to cover that we’re not even doing the regional roundups at the end. So I’ll keep it short and pass it back to you.

 

[03:35]

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you, Laura. That wasn’t even long enough for me to share the link all over my social media. [chuckling] I could have done within another maybe 30 seconds. But I think the best place to start this month is obviously with Skegness [a seaside town and civil Parish in the East Lindsey District of Lincolnshire, England.]. I think February has been a month that no one really saw coming. It’s been a month of sort of unbridled successes, it’s been a month of demonstrations, it’s been a month of record numbers on the street. And PA activists just keep raising the bar. And we raised the bar massively in Skegness, where we worked with local people to produce the best ever Patriotic Alternative demonstration to date, with somewhere between four or 500 people in attendance at Tower Gardens in Skegness, listening to PA speakers, speakers from other organizations and locals who got up on stage.

 

And I’ve got to say, what an event! And before I asked for Laura’s opinion on this and how she felt on the day, I want to give some thank yous. The first thank you I want to give is to Scott Pitt, the local organizer. I worked with him very closely in the run up to the event.

 

Now, when we arrange these events, a lot of effort goes into it, both for myself, from Laura, and from our local teams. But this guy is a local activist. He was the one who came up with the idea. We worked with him. And when we work with local activists, we offer them a range of different options and a range of help.

 

If they’re going to speak, we offer them legal advice on what they can and can’t say. We don’t want anyone getting up and saying something they shouldn’t, which may damage them and us. We offer them legal advice on any leaflets, banners or placards they’re producing. And we also make sure we bring the scaffold, the staging, the amplification. We help these people in multiple, multiple ways.

 

[05:18]

 

Now, the second group of people I want to thank is all the people who got up and spoke at these events from our leaders, our activists, the local people. And when you’re at these events, you get local people who say:

 

“Can we get up and say something?”

 

We had a queue of local people who the more they see of you doing, the more they want to do it. It gives them strength. There’s people there in the crowd who are a bit nervous and when they see the PA guys get up and give a bit of a speech, they say:

 

“Well, I want to say my bit now!”

 

And it was so lovely to welcome those locals up on stage, from local homeless guys who’ve been told to move on by the council, to mums, local business owners. It was wonderful.

 

And also, look, these events are not exclusionary to other groups. We have other groups working with us. I was in touch with a group called the Patriots of Britain. There was the Yorkshire Patriots who were there, and the Yorkshire Patriots leader, he got up on stage and spoke. We don’t tell other people to go away. We don’t tell people they’re not welcome. If people come in good faith, and will stand with us. We’ll get them up on that stage.

 

Now I’d also like to thank all the East Midlands activists in the East Midlands who helped pull all this together. Thank you so much for all your hard work! And I want to say a really special thank you to all of the guys who were there from 09:00 am on the morning in Tower Gardens for 3 hours, stood there guarding the bandstand. Because we have to say where the events are going to be. We have to say what we’re going to be doing.

 

And that gives the Left a bit of a chance, if they wanted to, to descend on the area where we’re holding these static demonstrations and sort of gluing themselves to bandstands, or trying to prevent us from holding the event. And we had guys there from early in the morning. Thank you so much! A special shout out, as I said to the East Midlands activists!

 

I don’t know whether they want to be named, but I know one guy I’m going to name. Big Joe. Joe Marsh! I tell you what, if that guy would sat in the bandstand, I wouldn’t like to be the scrawny withering Leftist who had to move him. And I don’t know how many scrawny withering Leftists would it take to move one Joe Marsh?

 

Laura Towler: [chuckling] I reckon twelve! [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: I think you’re low balling it there. I think you’re low balling it. But it was an amazing event.

 

And I want to deal with something else as well. There’s people online who say:

 

“Oh look, PA have sold out. They deal with the police.”

 

Yeah, we liaise with the police. The police knew this was our event. They knew we were arranging the demonstration part of the day. We had nothing to do with the march, that was earlier on, that was down to other people. But we were the ones behind the static demonstration. The police knew that, we liaised with them.

 

Now, some people say we’re talking to the police. But I’ll tell you this, when you’ve got 500 people coming, you don’t want a dispersal order. You want it to be peaceful, you want it to be calm, and you want to have an agreement beforehand with liaison officers about where any counter demonstration is moved to. We do this because we’re getting big enough now that we have to consider not only the safety of ourselves, but the safety of hundreds of people.

 

And there were mums, dads, families, pensioners, people turning up in electric mobility carts. We have to look after them. We do these things the right way. We hold them early in the day so you don’t have a chance to have a few drinks beforehand. And afterwards, we call for people to disperse and go home. This event was 100% peaceful, 100% safe! And there wasn’t a single counter protester there the whole day.

 

And I’ll tell you something, the media hated it! The media were begging for a kick off! They wanted a disaster. You could read in the headlines, the editors were crying, :

 

“Oh, big demonstration passes off peacefully!”

 

And, you know, they would say that through gritted teeth, because it was a model demonstration.

 

And again, I just want to thank everyone who was there, who helped in any way the people who made the banners, the people who made the placards, the people who stood their guarding the event, the people who set up the scaffold. The guy with his van who brought the scaffold down on the day. Just thanks to you all, and if I’ve left everyone out I am really, really sorry I’ve tried to include anyone.

 

Laura, what are your thoughts? I mean, you loved it. You were the woman pulling it all together on the stage. The crowd loved you. How did you feel?

 

[09:39]

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, I introduced the speakers on the day. And we started doing that so that you can keep things ticking over rather than someone getting up and then climbing down and there’ll be a pause in between. It just means that somebody’s constantly talking to the crowds and it keeps them fixated.

 

But, yeah, it was brilliant! It was really, really great to get the locals coming over to us and telling us their stories.

 

There was a mother called Cherie who had six children, and she got up on stage and she was telling us and the crowd, about how the migrants from the hotels were harassing her kids in the park.

 

And then there was a business woman called Helen who got up. And she was talking about the problems that she’s had from more of a business point of view.

 

We had two homeless guys get up as well. One of them were called Ian. And he was talking about how he’s been living in a tent for nine months and he’s just had no support from the council or the government in general. In fact, every time he pitches his tent up and goes to sleep, the council come along and tell him to move. And he’s like:

 

“They’re housing migrants in that hotel, they’re getting the health care, the dental care, the meals, they’ve got a gym, all this kind of stuff!”

 

So it was really good to get first hands perspectives from those people.

 

But, yeah, it was a fantastic day!

 

And since Saturday, we’ve obviously stayed in touch with a lot of people who live in Skegness. And we’ve been invited back as well to go back and do another protest. So, obviously the locals are really happy with it, which there will be, because it was a massive success. There were no problems, there was no kicking off on the day. I think all genuine nationalists looked at that event and just thought:

 

“Yeah, something big is happening here. These protests are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. More and more people are hitting the street!”

 

And yeah, it’s just a fantastic cause for celebration at the moment. We’re outnumbering the enemy by quite a lot! [chuckling]

 

[11:27]

 

Mark Collett: We certainly are. And look, I want to show a video from this then we’re going to get one of the local activists on in a couple of moments to talk about his role and how he felt it went.

 

But let’s share something with you beforehand. This is a bit of video footage of the event. We’re still working on the speeches. They will be released relatively soon, I hope, because there are a number of really great speeches from that event. But I hope you enjoy this in the meantime.

 

“We are here to oppose the invasion of our ancestral homeland.”

 

“The schools are filled to the brim and have got no more places for local children who have to travel miles. This isn’t right!”

 

“I am absolutely fed up with this country and what it’s doing to its people! Everything has gone up in the world we live in. Everything’s doubled every time you walk into a doctor! But 7 million pound a bloody day is going to these emigrants! And that is not on!”

 

“It is time to make a stand! And today has been spectacular! Today has been a show that we are peaceful, law abiding citizens that are calling for change! But where do we go after this.”

 

“For as long as it takes, we’ve come here to say, and we keep saying it for as long as it takes. Enough is enough!”

 

“And when normal people, people like yourself, British taxpayers, stand up and say ‘enough is enough’, the media start. They call you racist! Bigot! Nazi! They do anything they can to silence the resistance!”

 

“This has to stop now! You know we have been invaded, so please listen to the British people for once. Yes, close the borders! Do your job properly and concentrate on looking at your own for a change!”

 

“And I’m going to ask you this, Skegness, do you want to be a minority in your own homeland? [crowd] No!”

 

“Well, we were never asked if we wanted to do this. And in fact we’ve told the government again and again that we do not want mass open door immigration. We tell them every time we vote in an election! We tell them with Brexit! We tell them with every survey and opinion poll from Empire Windrush to the present day, but they do not listen to us!”

 

“We have to fight back now and we have to fight back together. It will demand discipline and organization, but it can be done! You represent the bravest among us, those that stand, while others kneel!”

 

“The politicians are scared and looking at the numbers here, I can see why!”

 

“You have to keep up the fight. You have to keep up the resistance. You have to keep telling your MP that this is wrong! Because they’re supposed to be our representatives, but they don’t represent us! They hold these meetings to pretend like they’re listening, to pretend like they care! No, all they do is they tell us! They dictate to us! They tell us what’s going to be done to us! But it’s time we tell them what we are going to do to them! We are not going to give them our power anymore!”

 

“We’re going to start putting British people first!”

 

[crowd cheering]

 

[15:12]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I hope you enjoyed that. That’s a taster of things to come. I’m hoping we’re going to get those speeches out soon. And now we’re going to bring on our first guest of tonight.

 

Hello, Carl. He’s an East Midlands activist. He was instrumental in setting this up and he spoke on the day. How are you feeling, my friend? Are you still on a high from last weekend’s activity?

 

Wilko: Yeah, feeling great. Was pretty good. Enjoyed it immensely. [chuckling] I don’t know about organizing it, though. That was the RO and some of the other officers. They put in a lot of work.

 

Mark Collett: How did it feel to give a speech, your first speech, at a big public event like that?

 

Wilko: It was absolutely terrifying. I thought I’d be all right. That’s what I kept telling myself. I always say that I just walk around with sort of a naive optimism, but once I got up there, opened my eyes, get it done!

 

Laura Towler: You did really well. You didn’t look nervous at all and it was a really good speech. Have you listened back to it?

 

Wilko: Only bits. It’s hard to explain. Like, the minute I got up there, half of what I wanted to say just flew out of my head. It’s strange, you sort of have confidence, but then it sort of drains from you. I think in time you get more used to it. But, yeah, it’s definitely not felt like that since I was probably, what, a young lad?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. [chuckling] What did you think of the locals, then, and their stories? And it just feels to me like it’s such an exciting time at the moment, because people have always said:

 

“PA are too far-Right, or PA are too extreme, and the public will never take to you.”

 

Literally talking rubbish! The public don’t care. They’re coming out to march with us and protest with us and they’re inviting us to their demos and all that kind of stuff. What are your thoughts on that, Carl? I guess what I’m trying to ask is, how do you see that the public are taking to Patriotic Alternative at the moment?

 

Wilko: I think people have been taken out of that framework of the old sort of legacy media. They’re still wary when people say negative things. They’re not quite sure what to make of it. But there seems to be an opportunity there now, though, where you can actually talk to them one on one, or as a crowd, and they’re actually listening and being receptive to what you’re saying. And then after about five or ten minutes, you realize that you’re not really that much different from each other. You’re all pretty much on the same page. It just depends on whether I think I mentioned this to you on the stream I did earlier this week, that we sort of think about it, but they feel it.

 

So when you articulate yourself, yeah, they’re very receptive to that.

 

Laura Towler: Well, did you see the BBC video that they put on YouTube? Because it has, … Someone just mentioned it in the chat 24 hours. There are 8,000 comments on the video and I didn’t see a single negative comment. And that’s the BBC. That’s the mainstream media, the biggest media outlet in Britain, and they put this video up calling as far-Right and saying far-Right, protesting Skegness. And just every single comment is in support of us and in support of the locals as well.

 

I think times are changing and I think this is an issue that the vast majority of British people are with us on. I even saw comments from people saying, :

 

“I’m as Left-wing as they come, and I’m against these illegals being housed in these hotels.”

 

So it’s a good issue. And it is the bread and butter of nationalism, really. I keep seeing these articles saying that nationalists and the far-Right are co-opting these issues. If anything, you’re co-opting the issues from us because this is nationalism, this is our issue. It’s what we do.

 

And they’re trying to say that we’re just pretending to care about it because we’ve got some hidden agenda. This is our open agenda to protect our people and have a safe home on for our people. If anything, like I said, other people are co-opting it from us. But yeah, I just think it’s really exciting times at the moment. I don’t know if you have another question mark.

 

Mark Collett: No, just one last thing. Thanks for joining us tonight, Carl. But also, before you go, just tell us how your region felt afterwards. Were you guys happy with the way everything played out? Were you enthusiastic? Did you all leave on a high?

 

Wilko: Oh, yeah, everyone loved it. It was great. We tend to have successful events anyway, but this is just like the cherry on the top kind of thing. It just seems to get better and better as the months go on, and we get bigger and bigger. And people get more and more active and more and more confident. Which is a very good thing, because we’re not doing anything wrong. A lot of it is just rhetoric once you see past it and sort of learn that they’re just trying to slander your name. There’s no bite to it.

 

[21:00]

 

Laura Towler: Well, that’s an interesting point as well, because I’m seeing more and more people go face out. Do you remember when people used to say banners in the middle of nowhere? It’s like we’re literally marching through every city with PA flags now. You can’t use the argument anymore. And everyone’s just face out, everyone’s public because no one has anything to hide. And it’s such a good thing to see because it takes the power and the control away from our enemies. They can’t dox us anymore, they can’t use that as a tactic.

 

So they’re going to have to find something else in order to attack us, because our people are out and proud and they’re saying:

 

“Yes, I’m a nationalist. I care about my people and I make no apologies for that!”

 

And it’s so good to see! I’m definitely on a high from that weekend.

 

Wilko: Yeah, people took cards as well. And I mentioned to a few locals that we are there for them. That’s why. We get nothing for this. We don’t get anything for doing this. We do this because it affects us too. We live here. We’re not taking advantage of any situation. It is our situation! This is our home. We live here and it affects us too.

 

And to say that we’re some kind of insurgents or something, like we’re coming from some other part of the world to stir up trouble in England, it’s like:

 

“No! This is our home, it affects us too.”

 

I think they liked hearing that as well, the people that were there, and that there’s people that they can contact if anything happens, and that will come and we’ll draw attention to it.

 

Mark Collett: Look, Carl, thanks a lot. It’s been good speaking to you and let’s move on because we’ve got a few more guests and things to discuss before we get to the second half of the show. So thank you so much and hopefully we’ll see you again soon.

 

Wilko: All right, thank you.

 

Mark Collett: Cheers. I just want to address one point as well. All the people who said:

 

“Oh, my gosh, are PA doing another banner drop in the middle of nowhere!”

 

Those people were literally dribbling retards. We did a banner drop at the top of Ben Nevis and it made international news with tens of millions of people seeing it. Those banner drops were seen, … I think the first White Lives Matter banner drop we did, which was “in the middle of nowhere”, I think that got seen by 12 million people on Facebook alone. So people who are snarking that that isn’t an effective way of gaining publicity are literally retarded!

 

A banner like that costs maybe £150. And if you said to any advertising agency in the world, for your £150, you’re going to get 12 million views on Facebook. They’d snap your arm off of that every day of the week!

 

Now, talking about more successful publicity, let’s get Si here from Scotland, because it’s not just been about Skegness. Last month, the “Erskine Says No” demonstrations picked up more and more steam. More and more local people are out joining PA activists when we’re holding these demonstrations. We are now working with the locals there on an even closer level to really push for greater community change. And it’s another wonderful marker of our growth that at one point we’d have said:

 

“Look, we had this big demonstration that was central to the month.”

 

But even if you took Skegness away, there are enough other demos, Erskine, Cannock, to name but two, that we could have made the feature a part of this show. And that just shows how much we’ve grown over the last twelve months.

 

How are you doing, Si? Because you’ve been instrumental in our growth!

 

Si: I’m all right. I had your mute slightly for a wee while now. I just clicked off mute to hear you [words unclear]. That was well timed on my part again. [chuckling] Yeah, I’m very well, thank you. It’s been an excellent month, it has to be said.

 

Regarding Erskine, things are moving along, swimmingly. We’ve certainly made the elected officials there itch in their pants, let’s say. We’ve had three successful demonstrations. Well, four if you want to include the little bridge demo we did on the 11 February. We’re back there again on Sunday and yeah, things are going pretty.

 

Well, I mean, last Sunday we had the rugby on, we also had an old Firm Cup final, and I think we still turned out about 80 people, which was pretty damn good, considering most of the blokes are away watching this football. We were pretty happy with that.

 

And the engagement with the local community is a key factor here. And that has to be said, they’re riled up now. They are very frustrated that their elected officials aren’t talking to them. Even just last night, the local community council, which is the Scottish version of a Parish council, had a meeting essentially behind closed doors. All of a sudden, these public meetings that they’re supposed to have, and they didn’t have enough space in the room they were in to allow the public in, of which about 20 people were going to go in. So it was just the community council, the local police officer and the councilors.

 

They’re beginning to itch, it has to be said. We’ve had Gavin Newland, the local MP for Erskine. He stood up. He’s desperate for the Home Office to take responsibility for this and try and admonish himself of any responsibility for what’s going on. But I’m glad to say the local people of Erskine are quite happy to hold these people’s feet to the fire. And I just look forward to Sunday morning now so I can go through there and help them out.

 

As you were saying earlier, what we do is and it’s funny, because what I got done on Sunday morning, I’ve been doing on Sunday mornings is a little bit like my old job. I’ll go there and set my stall out and we go there, we put our banners up, we get everything ready, and then you wait for the public to come down. It’s as simple as that. And that’s what we do they come down, they mingle, we’ll have tea and coffee as well. Somebody’s bought a couple of flasks. And, yeah, it’s been good.

 

We’ve even managed to pretty much just ignore the small counter demonstration that always appears. If we actually do speak to them, it’s basically just to mock them! [chuckling] They’ve been quite amusing! And they, first to touch on them for very quickly, were left very confused last week. They had the number one sort of woman that done all the shouting for him. She wasn’t there, so they were certainly lacking. We’ve got a nice big loudspeaker to blast them away with the theme from The Muppet Show and clown music, and all these other silly songs that would play at them, just to drown them out. And they ended up pleading with the public on our side:

 

“Please, please come and speak to us. We need to talk!”

 

And I’m afraid that ship sailed for them. The public are well and truly on our side. So, yes, in a nutshell, it’s going well!

 

Laura Towler: So are the counter protestors the same as ours, where they all arrive on the same bus, and they’ve all bought a ticket, …

 

Si: I don’t know if Catherine Sofia watched In the Night Garden, but our counter protesters look like the pontipines with a little black uniform with their red face masks on. So we played the In the Night Garden theme for them! [chuckling] But, yeah, no, they sort of peer out the bushes and they’re told by the police, … And we’ve got to say, we actually have quite a good relationship with the police liaison officers. And they come in one way, we come in another direction, and that’s it.

 

It’s going well. It’s pretty peaceful. There’s a bit there’s shouting and wailing and gnashing of teeth, of course. But the main thing is we get to engage with the public. Crucially, and this is the crucial thing as well, and people don’t touch upon this enough. When you have like, 400 people from Skegness or 100 people from Erskine in one place, these people don’t necessarily know each other. I think we forget about this as well. You’ve got to instruct, tell these people:

 

“Mingle, get to know each other. These are your friends, these are your neighbours, these are the people that you’re living this town with, and a fighting common goal here. You’ve got to get to know each other before you get to us, get to know one another, chat to one another!”

 

And people have and they’re making friends and acquaintances. Yeah, it’s going well. I can’t speak highly of it. I don’t know how much longer it will go on for. I wouldn’t want to say publicly what I think is going to happen next. I’ll keep that under my hat. But it’s going well, I think.

 

[29:46]

 

Mark Collett: Wonderful! Well, it’s good to hear that you’re doing that, and it’s nice to know that things are as good north of the border as they are down here in England. So thanks a lot Si. It’s been good speaking to you. And then we’ll move on to our next portion of the evening.

 

Now there is something we want to talk about tonight that we have spoken about in the past. I’ve spoken about it on my show. I think Laura has spoken about it on her show, but I think this guy deserves a little bit more praise. Now, I’m going to share this with you because it was one of the highlights of this month’s activity and it just goes to show what one dedicated man can do in the right place at the right time with a lot of guts. I hope you enjoy this video as much as I do, and if you’ve seen it before, it’s worth watching again.

 

Speaker (female): Gentlemen standing there. And then the gentlemen with the black cap on. Okay, thank you.

 

Wesley Russell: Hi. My name is Wesley Russell. It’s very telling that a lot of the conversations tonight seems to be around the hotel. But let’s not beat around the bush, okay? Everybody, I think, can agree with me that the biggest concern is everybody’s welfare and safety.

 

Now, don’t take us for fools when you say that these people are “refugees”. We know they are illegal migrants! If these people are refugees, what are they fleeing from?

 

It’s very telling that we’re never told what they are fleeing from. [audience applause] What wars are they fleeing from? What countries are they coming from? What are they fleeing? What persecution? We don’t know!

 

So we know that they’re, by definition, illegal immigrants, which technically makes them criminals! And they should be treated as such. They shouldn’t be put up in five star hotels, [audience applause] they should be in cells! And they should be told they are not leaving until they pay for their ticket back!

 

So my question to you is not:

 

“Where are you going to shift them to in a year’s time?”

 

How are you going to remove them from the country? And don’t give me an excuse:

 

“Oh, there’s the UN refugee document that we signed.”

 

Or:

 

“This is the European Court of Human Rights.”

 

We voted for Brexit. This is supposed to be a sovereign country! You could easily withdraw from any of those agreements! But you don’t! [audience applause].

 

Your party [Conservative] has failed time and time again! In 2010, David Cameron said he’s going to get immigration down. How did that work out? We’ve got higher levels than Tony Blair! And it was his intention to flood this country with migrants on purpose!

 

These people, not all of them, some of them are going to go on to commit egregious crimes, rape, theft, murder!

 

And there was a reason why the other day there was that ruckus in Kirksby. And we all know why it was. Because a migrant was harassing a young girl!

 

That is going to happen in every single part of the country! We need to stop this now, or you are going to have a serious problem on your hands!

 

Thank you.

 

[Applause]

 

Speaker (female): Move straight to the next question, sir.

 

Mark Collett: Move straight to the next question, indeed. I don’t think anyone in there was going to answer that very reasonable question of why the Conservative government have repeatedly claimed they’re going to get immigration under control, only to increase it further.

 

Now, Wesley is obviously a rising young star in this movement. He’s a guy that has impressed everyone with his dedication, his consistency, his wonderful shows, his appearances on other people’s shows. But I think this was a high point, even for him.

 

And since this he was at Skegness, he was a speaker there, he gave an absolutely brilliant speech. He was received so well by the crowd, it’s unbelievable. But these are the kind of people coming up through the PA ranks. These are the kind of people who are leading the conversation nationally.

 

When that went viral, this is when me and Laura still had our Twitter. When PA still had twitter, we’re all banned now! We’re banned. But I think my Twitter, I could probably even tell you how many times that was retweeted on my Twitter alone. And that’s absolutely phenomenal! It’s unbelievable to see that level of support for a young man just bringing up an issue like that. I can’t still see this on my Twitter. My Twitter is disappearing day by day, so I can’t actually find the thing. But I think it had well over a 1,000, …

 

Laura Towler: Well, it went viral because it was seen millions of times. And MPs were tweeting about it, Labour MPs and Tory MPs. It just went absolutely viral! And the only people I saw complaining about it, apart from Labour supporters and Labour MPs, was one guy who was like:

 

“It was in a church. I can’t believe they clapped!”

 

They were so shocked that people clapped. And it was like:

 

“Yeah, that’s the real world away from Twitter.”

 

But it just had so much support. And even sort of like civic nationalists and people who maybe don’t support PA on every issue, they were retweeting it and saying:

 

“Don’t agree with PA on everything, but well done. I agree with everything that Wes said.”

 

It was just seen absolutely millions of times. I mean, my grandma was telling me about it, she’d seen it on Facebook, [chuckling] it was posted everywhere.

 

So, yeah, well done to Wes. And the best bit, I think, for me was when she told him to stop and he just continued. And I was thinking, if I was in that situation, I think I would have stopped because I’m too polite. But now I’ve seen Wes do that, if I’m ever in that situation, I’m continuing as well! So I hope that he’s inspired other people to dig your heels in and not shut up when they tell you to shut up.

 

[35:53]

 

Mark Collett: I agree. And that wasn’t Wes’s only moment in the sun. Wes also confronted Joe Mulhall from Hope Not Hate and absolutely chewed him up. And that video also went viral as well.

 

So I think Wesley will have to be seen as our viral star of the month.

 

Now, we’re going to talk about something a little bit different in a second, but before we do that, I just want to say this. This has been a very high energy stream so far, and it’s been a lot of good news. But I just want to raise something that’s a little bit more serious, a little bit darker.

 

When we go to those events, when we go speaking at these different rallies, these demonstrations, at the end of them, there’s a big queue of people who have come to speak to us.

 

So at the Skegness demonstration, there was a queue of people who wanted to talk to me, who had been waiting to talk to me.

 

And I’m not going to go through their personal stories now. But I can assure you of this. Many of their stories were heartbreaking. Stories that would bring you to tears. Stories that when they’re accounting to me, they’ve got tears in their eyes.

 

And when you hear these stories and you hear about the way normal people are being affected by mass immigration and how they tell you that the police don’t want to know, the politicians don’t want to know, the local media don’t want to know, these people, White working folk, are the most marginalized and downtrodden people in this country!

 

And we’re the people out there spending our weekends reaching out to them, offering them hope and helping to amplify their voices. This is such a just cause. This is something that is serious! And we can have fun like we’ve done tonight, and talk about the big wins, but never lose sight of the fact that we’re doing this to represent those people and to give them a voice and to give them a little bit of hope, because some of their stories are honestly heartbreaking.

 

And I just want to say another huge thank you to all those people who did turn up, who did come out to help and were so supportive.

 

And there was one particular family, I’ve got to say this, a woman, she brought her two girls, they’re only little girls and then sat up the night before making homemade placards so they could stand there and protest against this. Because that family knows what’s coming to them. And it’s stuff like that that really touches your heart, that really makes you understand why this is so important.

 

So if you haven’t been to one of these demonstrations yet, please do come along. The next big one is next weekend. It’s the 11th. It’s in Cannock. Myself and Laura will be there. We’ve sent out an advert about it today.

 

If you’re not signed up to the PA mailing list, you should be. If you’re not opening the emails, you should be. If you haven’t got the email because it’s in your spam folder. Get in there and Mark it as safe and have a read of it.

 

Please come along and support us in the West Mids on the 11th.

 

Is there anything you want to add, Laura, before we deal with the next issue.

 

Laura Towler: Just some of the some of the stories. I mean, one of the guys we spoke to had been actually mugged by the migrants who were staying in the hotel and they’d stolen his rent money off him. So they were telling us some really harrowing things that politicians and MPs don’t want to listen to.

 

And I mean, I think spoke about this on Teatime, but one of the most touching parts for me was there were a couple of homeless guys who came over to us and we’d said in our speeches, there were 250,000 homeless people on the streets and the government don’t care about putting these. They are putting these migrants into hotels. Two homeless guys came over to us and said:

 

“We’re homeless, we live in tents. Can we get up and say something?”

 

And I’ve never seen that before. I’ve never seen them be able to speak for themselves. Because I don’t know how to put this without it sound like I’m sounding like I’m fetishizing it, but I’m not.

 

What I’m trying to say is we don’t speak for those people. They have their own voices. Does that make sense? And their voices should be heard. Other people shouldn’t be talking about them and other people shouldn’t be talking about what’s best for them. And just for them to actually tell us these are the problems that we’re facing, it just makes it so much more authentic and real when you’re hearing it straight from the horse’s mouth. So we can get that.

 

I mean, they swore a lot, they go up there and swore a lot, but they have a reason to be angry. And the public just gave them such a massive round of applause because they shouldn’t be going through this. We should not have homeless people on our streets living in tents and getting told to move, while people are arriving on dinghies and getting sent to hotels and getting everything paid for. It’s absolutely disgusting!

 

So I think that was a highlight for me, if I can call it a highlight, because it was horrible, but it was good to hear that directly from them. I hope that makes sense.

 

[40:43]

 

Mark Collett: It makes sense to me, and thank you for saying that. As I say, it is touching. And you have to remember why we’re fighting.

 

Now, we’re going to move on to another issue. This is a little bit different. It’s very serious and some of you will be tuning in to hear about this. Specifically, it’s the issue about a friend of ours, a good friend of ours, a content creator who we worked with extensively. Somebody who was very much active within our online communities. We’re not hiding that, we’re not trying to brush anything under the carpet. We’re certainly not disavowing this guy. We’re not throwing him under the bus. And anyone who’s saying we’re doing that is lying. I’m absolutely not. I’m saying that I’m not.

 

I’m in touch with his wife on a regular basis. I’ve been speaking to her today. I’ve been in touch with his legal team. And I’ve been in touch with him whilst he’s been in prison. And he still is in prison.

 

And we’re obviously talking about Charlie Big Potatoes. We’ll refer to him as Charlie because that’s what he was known as in the community. His real name is obviously Kristofer Kearney. That’s been in all the newspapers recently and he is currently on remand. And he has just entered a guilty plea for the dissemination of articles, written articles that could inspire terrorist activity. And he’s entered a plea of “recklessness”. That’s what he’s pleaded guilty to.

 

There’s a several tier system and there is guilty with “intent” and guilty by “recklessness”. He’s pleaded guilty to recklessness. He’s held his hands up and he said:

 

“Look, I shared the link. I didn’t know what the link was. I wasn’t aware of all the documents in that link and I did it recklessly.”

 

That’s what he said. Okay, now, I know that some people will say you should never plead guilty. It wouldn’t be my intention to plead guilty. But this guy has been held in Spain for months. He was then deported, brought to the UK. He has been held in the UK in some of the strictest conditions I’ve ever heard of.

 

I’ve spoke to his solicitor who’s told me that he isn’t even allowed a chair in his cell. They’ve taken his chair away because he’s not allowed a metal chair. He has had letters intercepted. He’s had his letters that he’s tried to send to people be destroyed. He has been cut off from his family, his friends. What they’ve done to him is disgusting! And they are acting as if he is a terrorist.

 

Now, he shared a link on social media, and what his legal team have told me, what his defense is, is that fundamentally, that link, at its high point, contained thousands of books. Amongst those books, there are a number of articles which are apparently illegal to share. When we say illegal to share, the government doesn’t have a list of things that are illegal to share. The government decides whether what you’ve shared is legal, based largely on who you are.

 

So there have been cases where young lads have bought books that are available in WH, Smith, Waterstones, Barnes and Noble, et cetera. And if you were somebody of a liberal persuasion, you wouldn’t be arrested for owning that book. You’re arrested for owning that book because you have a particular political persuasion. And I think that is a real grey area in the law.

 

And I’ve got to say to people, take on board what we’re saying tonight. This is a very serious issue. If you’re sharing something on a social network, be very sure of what you’re sharing. Be very sure of the source, and be very careful that what you’re sharing doesn’t lead back to a page that is full of stuff which you wouldn’t want to be sharing.

 

Now, I know that in the world of social media that sharing, liking, amplifying things you agree with is something that is done by everybody. That is something that is a normal part of our life today. But when you’re on social networks like Telegram, just be very careful. And I wouldn’t share anything if it hadn’t come from a trusted source. And this is what’s got Charlie into this problem.

 

As I said, he shared a link to a page that it’s high point had literally thousands of books on it. But amongst those books, there were items that the state deems as illegal.

 

Now, he has pleaded guilty. He held his hands up and said:

 

“I shared the link. However, I did it recklessly. I didn’t know what was there. I’m holding my hands up, but I didn’t share it with any intent. I don’t want to be accused of these things.”

 

He’s claimed, obviously, and I believe him. I believe him. He wasn’t trying to stir up terrorism.

 

And I think the way this has been dealt with tells you a lot about the kind of society that we are being shepherded into, where sharing something on social media, not knowingly, not with any intent, can lead you into a situation like this. And that’s very, very worrying. And my heart goes out to his wife, goes out to his children. He has four young children. One of his children, the youngest, was born just months before he was arrested for this. And he’s missed that child’s, that young child’s life. And I feel terrible for him. I feel terrible for his wife and for his children. This has caused immense damage to his life.

 

And I think the way he’s been dealt with, it sickens me. I think it’s vastly, vastly disproportionate to what he’s been accused of doing. I’ll be honest, vastly disproportionate! But that is the world in which we live. And obviously, I wish him all the best. I wish that he was reunited with his family. I wish his wife and his children the best, and I hope that he gets the right result in May when he is brought up in front of that judge. I hope the judge sees this for what it is and releases him for time served, and acknowledges that although he shared that link, he did so recklessly and without intent.

 

And as I said, I’m not disavowing the guy. I’m not throwing him under the bus. I want him to be back with his family. And my heart goes out to him, his wife and his children.

 

Would you like to add anything law before we go to the next part.

 

Laura Towler: Yes, a few things, but really quick. First of all, I think the laws in this country are disgusting. First of all, if certain books are illegal, they should make public what books are illegal. But obviously they don’t want to do that because they want to be able to trip us up and say that there’s a massive far-Right terror threat when they’re reason.

 

Secondly, I don’t blame Charlie for pleading guilty because he has a missus and four children. And I think his youngest is probably about the same age as Catherine. And just imagining Sam not being with Catherine throughout the last year, I know that he’d want to get back to her. So Charlie obviously wants to get back to his missus and his kids. Things might have been different if he was free now and he was up for a fight, but I don’t think we should blame him for that at all.

 

And lastly, and I think Charlie will agree with me on this, I think this needs to be something that we all take on board as a lesson with regard to sharing things online. We’re not bad people, we’re not terrorists, we don’t condone violence or anything like that.

 

However, they will try to trick us up if we accidentally share something without looking at every single thing on that link. So just be careful with what you share. Don’t share book depositories. Don’t share links to people’s Telegram channels if you don’t know who those people are. Don’t share links to websites if you don’t know what’s on that website.

 

The PA website is safe because everything on there is edited by us. Our Telegram channels are safe because we have a code of conduct. But they’re desperate to trip you up. They want you to share something that has an article on it from 15 years ago that someone you’ve never heard of wrote, so that they can say:

 

“Oh, you’re a terrorist, because he shared that website, it’s got an article on it!”

 

So let this be a lesson to us all to be extra careful with what we share in and double check, because they do want to misrepresent us. And I think Charlie will agree with that and I think he’ll be quite happy for his experience to be something that teaches us.

 

But I wish him all the best. And under no circumstances we’re throwing him under the bus. It’s disgusting, really, what’s happened to him. Hopefully he can get home to his family soon. That’s it.

 

[49:15]

 

Mark Collett: I agree. And now I want to talk about something else in the wider context. Obviously, we are now going to get all of the trouble causers, the vultures, the liars, people who misrepresent what we say, editing all this together and saying:

 

“That we are now linked to this dangerous terrorist and we’re going to be prescribed! And there’s precedent for prescription. Look what happened to National Action!”

 

So I’m going to now do about it. If you don’t mind if you’re here for this, I hope you’ll work with me, I’m going to do a 15, 20 minutes discussion on this and explain a little bit of the history of nationalism in regards to this kind of thing, genuine precedent. And then I’m going to talk about PA as a group.

 

I don’t believe we’re going to be prescribed. And if anyone ever tried that, we would fight that through the courts. I know how much that would cost. There are people going around online claim it would be hundreds of thousands of pounds. It doesn’t cost that for a High Court injunction. People saying that are imbeciles. They don’t have a solicitor. I have a solicitor. I talk to solicitors and I speak to people who know what they’re talking about. But I don’t think we are going to be prescribed.

 

Now let’s go back to the days of the British National Party, first. I was in the British National Party, and when I joined the British National Party, the leader of the party had appointed a man as his second in command. That man’s name was Anthony Lecomber, known as Tony Lecomber. I know Tony. He’s a pleasant guy, he’s a nice guy.

 

But Tony Lecomber, as the BNP’s second in command, it’s group development officer and one time National Organizer. He was a man who was convicted of a terrorist offence, who served time in jail for terrorism. And he committed that act while he was a member of the party. And what did he do? It wasn’t sharing a link on social media. It was making an explosive device which exploded in his car as he ate a KFC on his way to launch that device at a Left-wing bookshop.

 

Now, he was a member of the BNP when he did this. He was still a member of the BNP when he came out of jail. And he served as a leading member and paid employee of the Party with that conviction. Were the BNP outlawed? No, they weren’t.

 

What’s more, Dave Copeland, the nail bomber who killed several innocent people with nail bombs, was also somebody who had attended BNP meetings. He was somebody who attended British National Party meetings and on his arrest had British National Party literature in his house.

 

Now, were David Copeland and Tony Lecomber reasons for the BNP to be prescribed. Their crimes far more serious than Charlie’s? No, they weren’t. Were they representative of the Party as a whole? No. But even if you go back to the BNP’s inception, if you look at the man who founded the party, John Tyndall, he was a great guy and amazing speaker, but he had a string of convictions. One for actually running a paramilitary group called Spearhead. Did that see the party outlawed? No. And I’m going to get to what does get a group outlawed in a minute.

 

Now similarly, there is Britain First. Now, are Britain First a terrorist group? Absolutely not! Are Britain First a legal democratic organization? Yes, they are. Are they a registered political party? Yes, they are. Yes, they are.

 

Have several people who have committed terrorist acts that have resulted in the death of people being found in possession of Britain First literature? Well, yes, the media has reported on that. Has Paul Golding been found guilty of an offence under terror legislation? Yes, he has. Paul Golding was found guilty of an offence which was covered under terror legislation.

 

Does that mean Paul Golding is a terrorist? Absolutely not! He refused to unlock his phone in an airport when stopped by counter-terror officers and he was found guilty in court under terror legislation. Is Paul Golding a terrorist? No. Would I ever call him a terrorist? No. Do I think calling him a terrorist is ridiculous? Absolutely! Do I think the two people who committed terrible acts after being in touch with Britain First, donating to Britain First and having Britain First literature are indicative of Britain First as a party and organization? Absolutely not! Absolutely not!

 

Organizations often have outliers attached to that organization who do things that aren’t in line with the organization itself.

 

And those outliers, especially in an organization like Britain First, which has thousands of members, especially in an organization like the BNP, which had its height, had 14 and a half thousand members. Those members, or those associates of those organizations, are not indicative of the organization as a whole. These organizations weren’t banned.

 

And ultimately, ultimately, those people committed, or some of those people I’ve mentioned committed far more serious acts than Charlie. The people trying to spread rumours or the media talking about prescription, they’re obviously trying to scare people away from PA.

 

Now, we are going to go on to an organization that was banned, National Action. Now, National Action, before they were banned, they had a member called Zach Davies who walked into a supermarket in Mold and attacked a Sikh man, an Asian man with a knife, with the intent to kill him. Did that get National Action banned? Well, it didn’t, but that was a very, very serious incident.

 

National Action also had some of the most degenerate people to ever grace nationalism involved with them. One named Ryan Fleming. He was a convicted child sex offender. When he joined National Action. He was a member of the Order of Nine Angles, the Satanic group. All of this was tolerated in National Action, and by the time he left National Action, he left because he was re-arrested for a second child sex offence. And he was locked up for a longer period.

 

So this is a double child sex offender, member of Order of Nine Angles. They were the kind of people that had got involved with National Action. But did that get National Action banned? No, it didn’t. The leader of National Action, Ben Raymond, was a pervert, a degenerate, and a sicko. He put things on his website which were absolutely disgusting! He uploaded a picture at one point of a Jewish man being forced to perform a sex act on a skinhead. That kind of thing is disgusting! It does nationalism no favours, and it paints him as a sick individual. Did that get National Action banned? No, it didn’t.

 

What got National Action banned was the following. They, as a group, as an organization, were in the process of characterizing themselves as terrorists and of glorifying terrorism. They were in the process of making a documentary about themselves called Inside the White Jihad. I’m not going to do the salute. I’m not going to show you what it is. But their members were regularly photographed doing the ISIS finger salute. They were calling for White Sharia. And numerous members and associates of the group dressed in skull masks and posted up things on social media referring to themselves as the White ISIS.

 

There was also numerous social media posts by leading members and official accounts which depicted in cartoon form the murder and abuse of people from other ethnic groups.

 

And finally, the straw that broke the camel’s back was in the wake of the Joe Cox murder, which was obviously terrible. We don’t want to see anybody killed. We want to deal with this in a Democratic and peaceful manner.

 

The leader of the organization changed their website to read National Action and then followed that with the quote:

 

“Death to traitors. Freedom for Britain.”

 

Which is allegedly what Thomas Mair, Joe Cox killer, shouted as he murdered her.

 

They put that as the banner headline on their website as if it was their call to action, their rallying cry. That was clearly a case of the glorification of terrorism, and it was done on a group wide level. The organization was doing that as an organizational choice. And that’s the difference between an organization that gets banned, National Action, and organizations like Britain First or the BNP, which had several troubled individuals who had, at one time or another been associated with them, who had gone on to do things which were terrible. And there is a big, big difference.

 

Now, anyone telling you that what Charlie Big Potatoes has done is anywhere near on the scale of what I’ve just said, is lying to you. And they are lying for a reason. They’re lying because they’re either bitter and don’t like what we’re achieving, or they’re lying because they’re getting paid by Hope Not Hate, or MI5, or they’re getting their beer tokens from some anti-nationalist group.

 

And do not underestimate the depth of the pockets that these organizations have and the reach they have in paying malcontented individuals and bitter, twisted freaks who circulate in the dark corners of social networks grumbling about what good nationalists do. Do not underestimate the influence of groups like Hope Not Hate and the Security Service on those kind of individuals.

 

So I can assure you, what I’ve told you tonight is all, to the best of my knowledge, true. I’m telling you the defense that Kristofer Kearny, Charlie Big Potatoes, has put in. And I’m telling you we’re not disavowing him. I’m also telling you that I find his treatment disgusting! That he is a friend of mine, that I get on very well with his family, that I speak to his wife and that I’ve supported them.

 

I believe that he entered that plea because he felt it was the right thing to do, because he wants to be reunited with his family. And I believe that he absolutely didn’t know what he was linking to.

 

I also believe there have been a number of bad eggs in the nationalist cause who have done things in the past. But there is a big difference between the action of one outlier and what an organization stands for as a group.

 

Now, I hope that answers any questions that people had, and I hope it paints a clear distinction between political groups that have unfortunately faced criticism over the actions of individuals, and a group that was not acting in good faith and was promoting things which I feel were damaging to nationalism.

 

And if people think I’m just saying this now, I can absolutely prove that I’m not. And I can prove this because when National Action were banned, I released a video on YouTube talking about why I felt they had done terrible things which would create an awful, awful roadblock for nationalism in the future. Because that was the first Right-wing group in this country to ever be banned. There’s only a handful. I think it’s National Action, and I think it’s two groups that were classed as continuity groups of National Action. I think that’s the only groups that have been banned, there aren’t any others.

 

So, yeah, that’s my statement on that. I hope I’ve explained that clearly. And remember, entropy is open. Odyssey is open. If you want to ask me a question, you can ask a non paid question on this topic. If it’s a sensible question, because I haven’t explained this clearly or you’ve got anything to add, I will answer it. I’m not hiding from this. I’m not hiding from criticism. We’ve not done this hidden away on Telegram or in a backwater. This is on our main PA roundup of the month, and it gives all of you guys a chance to ask questions.

 

And I just want to reiterate one last time, Charlie, we believe that he has been persecuted and wronged by the state for an act of recklessness, which I don’t believe has led to any actual harm to anyone. And I just want that to go on record.

 

Laura, do you have anything to add?

 

Laura Towler: Oh, gosh. So I haven’t been involved in nationalism for as long as Mark. And I was kind of in the counter jihad movement around the time that we voted for Brexit. But even during my time in nationalism, I’ve seen calls for Britain First to be banned. I’ve seen calls for the EDL to be banned. Everything that Tommy Robinson is involved with. The far Left do this. And people have been saying that we’re going to be banned ever since we formed three and a half years ago now. They’ve been saying:

 

“Oh, Sam [her husband] has been allegedly linked to National Action. They’re going to be banned. They’re going to be banned by the end of the week!”

 

I think they’ve done it by like, maybe 20 or 30 times over the last three and a half years. It isn’t happening because the beliefs of millions of people are not made redundant by the actions of one crazy person.

 

So, you know, we care about our people, we love our people. We’re a nonviolent organization, we’re a legal organization, and they’re not going to be able to shut our organization down because one guy in another country shared a link to some books. It doesn’t work like that.

 

And I will say the people on social media, there’s a few of them, but they’re very loud, who are scaring people, trying to say:

 

“PA are going to get banned!”

 

These people are our enemies and they’re obsessed with us. And they’re saying it because they want you to believe it.

 

And we’re growing. We’re a massive threat to these people and they hate us and they’re obsessed with us and that’s why they’re saying it. It’s not because they really believe it, it’s because they want you to believe it. So you get scared and leave. But luckily, I think people see through it.

 

And if you’re on this ride now, if you’re with us after three and a half years, you can probably handle quite a lot. You can handle all the media articles and all the names that you get called. And it doesn’t seem to be having an effect at all. But we’re not worried about anything.

 

I think Hope Not Hate printed something a week or so ago saying, :

 

“Oh, in the ranks of PA, they’re very scared about this!”

 

And it’s like, no, we’re not! [chuckling] You don’t know what we’re saying in the ranks of PA because you don’t have anyone on the inside.

 

So, yeah, we’re not worried. And I agree with Mark.

 

[1:04:04]

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you for that.

 

We’re going to do the questions now. And remember, if you have serious questions about this, we will answer them now. And we want to be open and honest with people and that’s why we’ve done this tonight. And I also think it was important to talk about historical precedent relating to other nationalist groups.

 

 

Glenn the Chinaman gave £10. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“Someone mentioned Tunisia last stream. Did you see the protest the other day against the racist comments of the President yesterday? Migrants welcomed signs and Antifa flags were shown. It was covered heavily in the Israeli press.”

 

I didn’t know that. Do, you know, that Laura, that in Tunisia, the Tunisian President is trying to stop sub-Saharan African migrants flooding into Tunisia? And he said he doesn’t want any more of them. And basically they are attempting now to prevent inward migration into Tunisia. And Antifa are now gunning for the Tunisian president!

 

Laura Towler: I didn’t know that, but I think it was was it the leader of Albania that said something like, we’re not at war so the people coming from my country to the United Kingdom are not asylum seekers, I think it might be in Albania, it was one country who, like, totally backed us up and said, the people fleeing from here are not asylum seekers. I mean, even if they can say it and then the Lefties in our country who are all like, these people are fleeing persecution and war. It’s like, Just give yourself a shake! It’s just everyone else in the world can see it apart from you. So it doesn’t surprise me, to be honest, that they have done that in Tunisia.

 

Mark Collett: Well, it’s good to see that there are some North African countries. I know Colonel Gaddafi definitely stopped the flow of migrants into Europe, but it’s good to see that other countries are doing the same. Thank you for that, Glenn the Chinaman.

 

Sorry, Homa Tawk, I nearly pronounce your name wrong. Sorry, my friend. Homa Tawk gave $50. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“Here’s to Skegness.”

 

Well, thank you very much, my friend. I like that. The Mad Hatter gave £10 and said:

 

“Donation.”

 

Thank you very much. And Aunt Sally gave £3. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“PA are making a real difference now.”

 

Well, thank you very much, my dear.

 

We have some more here. $5 came from Mikey 2363. Said:

 

“Thank you, Mark. And Laura. Welcome to all the new members of PA joining because of all of the work you’re doing.”

 

Thank you very much. 24 Hours gave $5. Thank you very much. And said:

 

“Great work this month. I hope Charlie is free soon. It’s outrageous what they’re doing to him.”

 

Thank you so much! And Night Nation review gave $6. Thank you very much. Said:

 

“I appreciate the breakdown of the recent history of British nationalism from a Yank who doesn’t see these things that close. It’s important that history be known and that there are solid examples of nationalism that is taken seriously and done with mature intentions.”

 

Thank you very much, my friend.

 

Rouse Yourself from Slumber asked:

 

“Could we have a PA leaflet addressing the Ulez [sp] expansion issue in London? Lots of discontent around that?”

 

Yeah, we could if people want to put it out in London. I was thinking more of doing a leaflet, potentially about the 15 Minutes Cities and these sort of climate lockdowns. What do you think, Laura? Do you think people would be interested in delivering those?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, I mean, we’ll have to ask the activists who are on the ground if they fancy a local leaflet. But we do have a number of local leaflets for Eastern I’ve got some, Wales have got some. We’ve done them in Yorkshire as well for Linton-on-Ouse. So if the London activists want us to help with that, Mark’s very good at creating leaflets and we can definitely do some.

 

Mark Collett: I certainly will. So get in touch with me if you want to deliver them. I’m not designing them, just to put them on the website and no one put them out. That’s maybe why it’s better to do something bigger about the 15 Minutes Cities, but I would happily do that. I’ve been very busy this week, but I would happily get on to that.

 

Rouse Yourself from Slumber also said:

 

“You mentioned the Green Party managed to take control of Brighton and got an MP elected there a while back. Could you briefly explain how they did that?”

 

Yeah, I actually can. The Green Party are very, very dedicated, if nothing else. So what they actually did is they stood all over the country for the European elections and they got an MEP elected. I think a couple of MEPs, actually, but one of them was in the southeast. And they looked across the southeast and they asked for all the polling data for the region. And the polling data revealed that the best place for the Green Party, where the highest percentage of green votes came in, was from Brighton. So they said:

 

“Look, Brighton is the place where if we’re going to get a foothold, it’s going to be there.”

 

So they asked all of their most committed activists to move to Brighton, which they did. And every MP, sorry, every MEP, there aren’t MEPs in this country anymore, but every MEP who did exist used to get what was called a communication budget, which is so much money to spend on leaflets promoting their work where they’re elected. So their MEP in the southeast spent the majority of their communication budget in Brighton. They had all these activists who’d moved there for this purpose, to help deliver these leaflets, to help fight local issues.

 

And over time, the Green Party went from being a popular but smaller party to being in control of the local council. And once they had taken control of the local council, the next step was to fight a Parliamentary election there, which they won. And I think it’s Caroline Lucas, if I’m not incorrect, is the MP there for the Green Party. So it can be done. It just takes a lot of dedication.

 

Now, if the BNP had managed their resources correctly, that’s exactly the kind of thing they’d have done. But the BNP resources under the then leader were completely blown up the wall on nothing. And that’s why the BNP doesn’t really exist anymore, unfortunately.

 

I’m not reading out the next question, I’m not reading out the next question, but I’ll leave it there for anyone who wants to read it, because it is quite funny.

 

The TRUK show said, :

 

“Hi, mate, please, may you talk more about the conditions Charlie has been staying in hashtag free Charlie?”

 

We at Christmas last year, we started talking about the situation with Charlie. And we started saying:

 

“Look, people who want to write to him, people want to support him, people want to help him.”

 

And we gave his address to dozens of people who wanted to write to him, send him Christmas cards, send him support. Now, not one person I know of has received a letter, or a card back.

 

However, after speaking to his wife partner, she’s told me that he wrote back to everyone. So none of these letters are getting out of prison. And we’ve been told by her that he has had basic amenities stripped from him, to the point where every time they take him out of his cell to attend a court date, the prison hold him up for hours for searches and other things, meaning he’s late for court and he was getting into trouble.

 

So they started doing his court dates via video link. It’s been awful what they’ve done to him. And I hope when he gets out, I hope he goes back to his family in Spain. And I hope that he does a stream talking about these things and I hope he got my letter. I hope he enjoyed reading it. It was quite light hearted, trying to keep his spirits up. And I’m just sorry that he hasn’t been allowed to correspond with people.

 

I know he’s had one visitor, one nationalist visitor, but all of us have been blocked. It’s very sad. The Nationalist Struggle said:

 

“The prescription lie was spread around by a certain bitter fat old has been.”

 

Yeah, probably the same bitter old, fat old has been who led the BNP..

 

The National Struggle 40 also said:

 

“Jack Renshaw was another degenerate freak in National Action.”

 

Yeah, Jack Renshaw was convicted of exposing himself to young boys on the internet, as well as planning to murder somebody. That was another National Action success there.

 

The Nationalist Struggle also said:

 

“In El Salvador, the President has done a huge crackdown on gang crime as well.”

 

Yeah, I don’t know if people have seen this, but in El Salvador, they’ve arrested all the MS-13 gang members, and they’ve had a total lockdown. They’ve cleaned up the streets, they put them all in prison, everyone’s happy! But Amnesty International, all the Western leaders are like, :

 

“This is terrible! This is absolutely terrible! You’re violating their human rights!”

 

What do you think about this Laura? Would you get all the MS-13 gang members and put them in prison? Or would you give them their human rights to menace the local population?

 

 

Laura Towler: Oh, well, you’re the expert on this now, aren’t you? After your time in, where were you?

 

Mark Collett: Mexico. I know the funny thing is, there has been a distinct lack of “Cartel Collett” memes. I was waiting for the Cartel Collett memes. But there has been no memes!

 

So if anyone, … There hasn’t even been a sombrero meme, which is disappointing, let alone one of me, as I think, …

 

Laura Towler: There has been some maybe like, taco ones or something on PA Talk. They definitely had some.

 

Mark Collett: Do, you know what? I’m going to say this, … [chuckling] I’m not going to talk in depth, but I will say this. Because of the situation I was in and trying to cross the border and having to do so much traveling, I didn’t eat much Mexican food. And I did have finally, when I finally plucked up the courage to have a burrito, it was actually the worst burrito I’ve ever eaten! Mrs Mark, your burritos are amazing compared to the one I had in Mexico! [chuckling]

 

Saying that, though their nachos over there are absolutely amazing! Like, proper hand cooked nachos with their salsa. Their salsa is really watery. It’s not like, thick, but the flavour! Like this is a bit watery, but the flavour is unbelievable.

 

Anyway, that’s enough for Mexico, but yeah. Moving on, 00Stevens said:

 

“Sadiq Khan, some Ulez [sp] protesters are joining hands with the far-Right.”

 

Yes, indeed. The Nationalist Struggle, said:

 

“The Mexican president, could do with doing something similar with all the cartels.”

 

Yeah, look, you’re not going to be cracking down on the cartels like you crack down on MS-13 gang members. MS-13 are like a street gang. The cartels are basically an organized army that control entire cities.

 

I think about a few months ago, one of the cartels actually shot down a military helicopter with a rocket propelled grenade launcher. These aren’t like normal gangs.

 

Now, if you watch any of these videos on YouTube about the cartels, they’re a different kettle of fish together. The level they have risen to in terms of control over local state apparatus and also military hardware, you would actually need, even when the army engages with them, the army often comes off second best.

 

VM said:

 

“A few questions. Do, you know what happened to PA London?”

 

Yes, the London organizer moved house.:

 

“Also, where are the monthly roundups for each region?”

 

We didn’t do them today because Laura just moved house, so we didn’t have time to prepare them, but we do have one for you at the end.:

 

“And for your information, PA is making waves. Great work from everyone.”

 

Thank you so much!:

 

“Would you rather live in Tijuana or London Mark?”

 

Tijuana or London? [chuckling] I’m going to say it depends what area of London? It depends what area of Tijuana. But maybe Tijuana? I don’t know. I’ve already said the Burger King there was the best ever had in my life, so I’d definitely rather have a Burger King in Tijuana than I would in London. I’ll say that. But, yeah, maybe one day I’ll return to Tijuana to sample all the food because I won’t have to be sat on the edge of my seat waiting to travel.

 

Rory Herbert gave £5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Dear Mark, you mentioned that you didn’t think that PA might get proscribed. I think you underestimate the amount of political influence in the English justice system and how it affects judges’ and juries’ decisions. Any thoughts on that one?”

 

It would be scandalous to attempt to proscribe a group that has never, ever made any endorsements of anything illegal, and never called for anything other than peaceful and Democratic change. The fact we have a code of conduct. The fact we work with the police closely when we hold these events. And the fact we actually take advice from the police on the statements to release to our supporters before an event, advising them of times to disperse and what to do, shows that we are absolutely trying to avoid any form of confrontation or any form of trouble.

 

There are other nationalist groups who have barged into mosques, who have gone round migrant hotels, hammering on the doors, driven through migrant areas, playing loud music. We haven’t done anything like that. We don’t seek confrontation. We seek political change. And we’ve always shied away from anything that is confrontational.

 

In fact, one of the things I’ve actually said tonight is that the reason Skegness was so great is because there wasn’t counter demonstrations. There wasn’t arrests, there wasn’t aggravation. We don’t want that. And we’ve made that very clear.

 

Laura Towler: If that was to happen, it wouldn’t just set a precedent for Patriotic Alternative. It would set a precedent for every other organization in the country. If you ban a legal, nonviolent, peaceful organization, then you can ban not just every other nationalist and patriotic organization. You could ban the Conservatives, you could ban the Labour Party, you could ban the Lib Dems. And I think every other organization out there who sits to the centre right would probably be worried about it.

 

I would say out of all the organizations on the Right, we’re probably the ones who are the least confrontational, because we are just so careful because we know that we have a massive target on our back. So like I say, it wouldn’t just set a precedent for us, it would for every other organization out there.

 

[1:18:28]

 

Mark Collett: I think it would. And I think you also have to factor in that fundamentally we’re reaching a point where people have to have an outlet. People have to have a say. People have to have a way to vent their justifiable anger at the situation.

 

Now, when it comes down to it, we are providing that, and we’re doing so in a way which is far less militant, far less confrontational than groups like Extinction Rebellion, or groups like Black Lives Matter. So I don’t believe that for a minute that any, … I don’t believe that we’re going to be proscribed. And yeah, you might have MPs say:

 

“Oh, they should be proscribed!”

 

But if you google numerous nationalist groups or organizations, you will find instances of Members of Parliament calling for proscriptions, calling for groups to be banned, calling for people to be locked up or investigated. It obviously doesn’t always happen.

 

It happened in the case of the group I mentioned earlier, and I outlined some of the really sick and twisted things that they had done. And also the Zach Davis literal terrorist attack that occurred. One of their members literally went into a supermarket and started stabbing someone. This is very different and it needs to be highlighted. The distance we have between us and a group like that. We would not want to ever be represented like that and I wouldn’t want it to. I think what that organization did tarnished nationalism as a whole.

 

So, yeah, that’s very important to point out. Pi gave £5. Thank you so much, and said:

 

“Well done. PA East Mids.”

 

Thank you very much. And Stan One gave £10. Thank you very much, and said:

 

“The state is claiming a further 85,000 asylum seekers are expected to arrive this year. If accurate, will it move the general public closer to the nationalist position?”

 

What do you think, Laura?

 

Laura Towler: I think the public are already overwhelmingly with us when it comes to this issue of asylum seekers. But the more we receive, the more people are going to join us. The more transparent it becomes, the higher the numbers are, the more people see them and complain about it, the more people who are affected by it in their daily lives, the more people who join us.

 

Yeah, I think, like, a pivotal moment for us was the BLM riots. When people saw all that a couple of summers ago, it was our busiest ever time at Patriotic Alternative.

 

But now we’re also so busy because of the migrant hotels. And I moved house last week, so I was away for a week and it took me all week this week to catch up on the new registrations and the contact form messages. And the vast majority of the messages that we get when people are leaving a message are about the hotels saying:

 

“I’ve seen you at a protest, I’ve seen an article about you, there’s a hotel in my area. Can you help?”

 

It is the big talking point of the moment. So if that’s amplified in this country, more people are going to experience it and see it and come to nationalism. So, yes, I agree with the point.

 

Mark Collett: I think it’ll do two things. I think it will bring more people to nationalism. I’m not sure how many, but I think, generally speaking, it will cause a hardening of opinion. So people who already are on our side or already coming to our side will harden up and it will harden their resolve. And when it comes down to it, I think that fundamentally, we will see people saying:

 

“No! I’m digging my heels in. We want these people to go!”

 

And I think that’ll be the big thing.

 

Rory, Herbert said:

 

“Slightly off topic, but do you have any thoughts on Argentina’s recent statement regarding the Falklands?”

 

Sorry, I don’t I’ve not seen that, so I can’t really comment. The Thin Red Line gave $5. Thank you so much!:

 

“Banning PA would be a mistake by the establishment. The law is not on their side and they would lose in court.”

 

Thank you so much! $25 came from Mikey 2363. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“PA attracts the Right type of people. We don’t need to be aggressive or violent. Our message and practical activism appeals to anyone with a moral compass.”

 

Thank you so much! Dissident Thoughts said:

 

“Keep up the great work.”

 

For $5. Thank you very much. And Black Pigeon Pilled gave 0.3 of a penny. Thank you, Black Pigeon Pilled. Your generosity knows no bounds! He says, he’s always there with his fraction of a penny, and he says:

 

“Does Mark think IRL Meetups will eradicate the paranoia and mistrust which blights nationalism? Great work in Skegness, and thanks for encouraging the public to speak up.”

 

Yeah, I do. And that’s why we do this. I mean, really, the best way to answer this in a short way is they go and listen to my second PA conference video, where I talk about bringing people out of the online sphere and into the real world. Because when you meet people, when you look people in the eye, when you talk to people, it builds trust, it builds friendship, it builds community, it builds camaraderie! And those things don’t really exist when all you’ve got is anonymous people behind avatars.

 

And I’ll say this as a guy who comes in that chat, and he’s always been a great guy. He’s always supported us, loads. He’s in this chat now. I’m not going to name him. He knows who he is if he’s still watching, I hope he’s still watching. He’s a very generous guy, a very generous donor.

 

And he turned up in Leeds and he came to Skegness as well. And it was absolutely lovely to meet him. It was lovely to shake his hand. It was lovely to put a face to the name. For him to come up and say, I’m this guy. I’m in your chat, I always support you. It was actually an honour to shake his hand because he’s been around so long. And that is something that builds bonds which are far more strong, that are far more meaningful than just a connection you have with an avatar in a chat room. Is there anything you want to add to that, Laura?

 

Laura Towler: Does his name begin with B?

 

Mark Collett: It does begin with B. He’s a great guy.

 

Laura Towler: He’s a top guy! He lives at Seacross [sp] as well!

 

Mark Collett: Leeds and Skegness [words unclear]

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. The reason that we form these bonds, IRL, is because an avatar and using it doesn’t really mean anything. I had friends on Twitter that I was friends with for years and then you get suspended and you lose contact with them and they disappear. But when you’ve got these IRL bonds, it means so much. And then whatever you’re going through, these people have got your back. And also if you need to do something like mobilize a protest very fast, they’ll be there for you. Those people are there to protest and to contribute something.

 

So, yeah, I mean, PA have always set ourselves up as an IRL movement. I know the media like to say that we’re a savvy online movement and that kind of thing, but we’re not. We’re an IRL movement. And the reason that we set the organization up like that is because we can get suspended from social media just so easily. But they can’t suspend us in real life.

 

And those bonds that we form, this community that we’re creating, this network of people, it’s long lasting and it’s durable and it’s deep rooted.

 

So I would definitely say getting involved with people IRL, becoming an activist, or if you don’t want to do protests and leafleting, that’s fine. There’s other things that you can contribute. But getting involved IRL and becoming part of the community, not only does it make you feel white pilled and optimistic for the future, but it gives you faith in the struggle and your comrades, your fellow nationalists. So yes, I agree with that statement as well.

 

[1:26:12]

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you. Well, that brings us to the end of the show. We’ve done all the questions, we’ve done all the Superchats. I hope you found tonight informative. I hope you found tonight interesting. And I hope you’ve enjoyed the tone of the stream.

 

And I hope I’ve put any rumours to rest about the situation regarding Charlie. And also, again, Charlie, we’ve got you back. We love you very much, and we’re behind you and your family all over the ways and we hope you reunited with them shortly.

 

Is there anything you want to add, Laura? It’s been an amazing month and we’ve still got one final thing to play us out with. Because we didn’t do the regional roundups this month because we didn’t have time. We knew it was going to be a long stream. But one region did submit a video of what they’ve done this month and we thought we’d play it as the outro.

 

So do you want to have the final word, Laura, before we sign out and play the outro?

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, just apologies that we haven’t got the Regional graphics this month. It’s kind of my fault because I was moving house and then I didn’t have time to do them all. I had to focus on the things that we really have to do this week.

 

However, we do have a few graphics from a few of the regions who made their own. I’m going to get them up on the website so you’ll be able to see what people have been getting up to on the website. And we’ll be back with them next month. But yeah, we’ve got a video from PA Easton who put together a video about their activism.

 

And I’ll just say thank you for watching as well. Do get involved. IRL. Come and meet the guys in your region, all the contact details from on the PA website.

 

And I’ll be back on Monday with Sam for Teatime with Sam and Laura at 07:00.

 

But, yeah, take care of everyone and have a nice weekend.

 

Mark Collett: Okay, well, I just want to say, on Sunday night, I’m back for the Nationalist A-Team. It’s been a great stream, it’s been a great month. I just want to thank everyone again. Thank you to Laura. Thank you to every one of our activists, every one of our organizers. Thanks to all the people who turned up at the demonstrations. Thank you to everyone who donated so generously and helped to help make these things happen. Thank you to everyone who tuned in. It has been an absolutely amazing show! And it’s been an amazing month!

 

And now I’m going to play you out with something that I hope you enjoy. Here we go. Thank you and goodnight and hopefully see you on Sunday for the Nationalist A-Team. Seven pm. Same place, usual time. Here goes. Good night, everybody.

 

[1:28:33]

 

 

Wesley Russell: Hi. My name is Wesley Russell. It’s very telling that a lot of the conversation tonight seems to be around the hotel. Now, don’t take us for falls when you say that these people are refugees. We know they are illegal migrants.

 

Speaker (female): We’ll move straight to the next question, please.

 

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Kelema90
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Everyone in Britain should support P.A.

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Laura Towler
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Thank you all. Goodnight.

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Instinct
3 hours ago
step 1: stop the import of more foreigners
step 2: start deporting them

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@DickMcDropkick
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Hail Britannia hail our people o/

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@BritishGammon
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Great stream and chat – night all

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Secure the future of our people
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MAKE BRITAIN BRITISH AGAIN!

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Ayy lmao
4 hours ago
Optics cucks are on the wrong side of history and will get cancelled and forgotten anyway

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@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
So much of the enemies tactics relies on FEAR and intimidating people with lengthy jail time..

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@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
I wonder if Sweden will have “peaceful solutions” when 1/3 people in Sweden are Muslim by 2050

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@AThompson
4 hours ago
Owning Shakespeare has been listed as a potential sign of right-wing extremism by Prevent. Will speaking our own language, the English language, in our own land become ‘far right’ eventually?

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@AThompson
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Are they going to make having white children a hate crime in the end? Lol

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@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
is the green agenda basically just eco fascism but stripped of any racial consciousness?

@Scotty14
56 minutes ago
Keep up the good work! Amazing that PA started as a hiking club and now it’s hitting the streets and making the mainstream news.

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@JennEtAl
2 hours ago
Mark, Burritos are American food not Mexican. Burrito means “little donkey”, which symbolizes the function of the tortilla “carrying” all of the ingredients (beans, cheese, meat, etc) in one package. I would never eat a burrito in Mexico.

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Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

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Secure the future of our people
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Good night all!

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4 hours ago
GN FOLKS

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Wheres the monthly updates

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4 hours ago

@utopia148800
Sorry, I don’t understand the question

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
was it the flag or the old party?

The TrUK Show
4 hours ago
lol

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Mark Collett video, Online Activism VS Real World Activism
https://tinyurl.com/d2ahwjte

Laura Towler
4 hours ago
Thank you

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
Thanks for your continued support

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
$5.00
banning PA would be a mistake by the establishment The law is not on their side and they would loose in court.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@mikey2363
Thanks again for donating

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
BORIS WAS BANNED FOR NAMING THE POLITICIANS SETTING PEDOPHILES FREE. :rainbow_puke_2:

@mikey2363
4 hours ago
$25.00
PA attract the right type of people. We don’t need to be aggressive or violent. Our message and practical activism appeals to anyone with a moral compass.

Welsh Nationalist
4 hours ago
Proscribe the WEF

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Follow British Gammon
Twitter
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@BritishGammon

Exiled Viking’s Channel
4 hours ago
I can hear a baby crying in the background

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
good turn out in skegness

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@Kane
what is your question ?

@RoryHerbert
4 hours ago
Bless you

@LauraTowler

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
Gesundheit!

Speak your mind
4 hours ago
Bless you Laura.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@Kane
Entropy:
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Speak your mind
4 hours ago
Thanks guys, wonderful stream.

@AlbionForever
4 hours ago
*missiles

Laura Towler
4 hours ago

@Kane
Have to ask on Entropy so Mark sees. Can do an unpaid question.

@AlbionForever
4 hours ago
Israel sold missles to Argentina during the Falklands war

@Kane
4 hours ago

@LauraTowler
Thank you for a great stream tonight, can we have more of an insight into PAs progress on becomming a political party?

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
march of the grenadiers

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
They DO ban everybody who threatens jewish power. :japanese_goblin:

@BritishGammon
4 hours ago
Ban the Tories? Now that’s an idea

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
prescribe the Tory Party, please!

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago
No organisation in the UK has ever been proscribed that hasn’t promoted terrorism. PA has never done that and never will.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Skegness Anti-Migrant Hotel Protest // PA East Midlands

PA website, A Turning Point (Skegness demo)
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/a_turning_point

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
264 currently watching 147 :pixel_heart: GIVE SOME LIKES

The TrUK Show
4 hours ago
They are not to be messed with

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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@noreplacement
4 hours ago

@AlbionForever
tooooo much info

@AlbionForever
4 hours ago
then again, it was probably a Mexican who cleaned that bog

14Reasons
4 hours ago
lol

@PaganBear
4 hours ago
You are probably more free in Mexico

@purepalm
4 hours ago
the cartels and israeli intelligence agencies (amongst other intelligence agencies) have a hand in glove relationship….

14Reasons
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
lol

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
#allculturesareequal

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago

@6079SmithW
Yes, I do my bit.

@noreplacement
4 hours ago
couldn’t find a sombrero

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago

@14Reasons
The algo sensed Israel and immediately gave a thumbs down :thumb_down:

@_Xizor_
4 hours ago
Cartels are the government in Mexico now

@AlbionForever
4 hours ago
MS-13 are a huge problem in southern California.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Follow Laura Towler:
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@6079SmithW
4 hours ago
I’ve seen you doing speeches at PA conference right? Nice one Kenny.

Laura Towler
4 hours ago

@EvenKeel
Uh oh

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@PaganBear
4 hours ago
They are disappointed that less fentanyl is ending up in white bodies, that is why they are angry toward the government of El Salvatore.

Even Keel
4 hours ago
Mark letting slip that he doesn’t watch PA Talk lol

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
Don Collett head of UK mafiosi

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
Ms-13 should be deported to Israel. Open Border for Israel

Tony
4 hours ago
We put the Sombrero meme in chat

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
no porn no class a drugs

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago

@6079SmithW
That awesome mate. Cheers for your support.

@AlbionForever
4 hours ago
there was on PA Talk

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13

14Reasons
4 hours ago
human Rights goy

14Reasons
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
it glitched and put a down thumb emote

𝐍𝐈𝐆𝐇𝐓 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍 𝐑𝐄𝐕𝐈𝐄𝐖
4 hours ago
(((western leaders)))

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
noice

Welsh Nationalist
4 hours ago
They messed with my mail beyond when i was in

14Reasons
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
:thumb_down: :space_resitas: :thumb_up_2:

Speak your mind
4 hours ago
Terrible, they are really trying to break him. Stay strong CBP.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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𝐍𝐈𝐆𝐇𝐓 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍 𝐑𝐄𝐕𝐈𝐄𝐖
4 hours ago
sickos

Steve stone
4 hours ago
Perhaps we can learn from the greens!

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago

@14Reasons
:flag_israel: :hundred_points: +10

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
no chance at all with that level of corruption in your face

@6079SmithW
4 hours ago

@KennySmith
I’d love to but I’m not in UK. If I was I would defo contact my reginal organiser.

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
so why is photo id required for voting in person BUT not for postal ballots lol its totally corrupt and no one has any chance of making any difference lol

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Yes I saw you laughing Laura.

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
Until the Egyptians started to import black slaves. Then the jews making said blacks start rioting.

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Did Griffin spend it all on wine?

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Patriotic Alternative Regional Contacts
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/regional_contacts_page

14Reasons
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
:space_doge:

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago

@6079SmithW
You should join your regional team of you haven’t already.

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
brighton is like the portland of the UK, still white but very very gay

Laura Towler
4 hours ago

@6079SmithW
That’s great. Thank you very much!

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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@DissidentThoughts
4 hours ago

@6079SmithW
4 hours ago

@MarkCollett

@LauraTowler
I’ve been following PA for almost as long as you’ve been around. I never miss a show now. Love teatime and PA monthly review! I’m well impressed with you and wveryone involved!

Steve stone
4 hours ago
ULEZ, that’ll be a winner.

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago

@AlbionForever
But I do understand what you are saying :space_doge:

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@DissidentThoughts
Thanks for your donation

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
the sahara desert may well be likened to the old mill in that it is the splitting of the wheat and the chaff in civilizational terms.

Laura Towler
4 hours ago
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@AlbionForever
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
they’re different, but they obviously aren’t the same as us.

@DissidentThoughts
4 hours ago
$5.00
Keep up the great work

Welsh Nationalist
4 hours ago
Weve already got 15 minute city ones being done

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
PA Wales:
Email: wales@patrioticalternative.org.uk
Telegram:
https://t.me/PAWales

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago

@AlbionForever
The Dutch might disagree with you, having a large Moroccan population.

14Reasons
4 hours ago

@AlbionForever
but prior they were just white a while ago

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
0.3
Does Mark think irl meet-ups will eradicate the paranoia and mistrust which blights nationalism? Great work in Skegness and thanks for encouraging the public to speak up.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
PA Eastern Region:
Email: eastern@patrioticalternative.org.uk
Telegram:
https://t.me/patalteastern

@AlbionForever
4 hours ago

@14Reasons
they’re closer to Arabs

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
hope they dont murder your family when your hate is not allowed to defend them.

@mikey2363
4 hours ago
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14Reasons
4 hours ago

@AlbionForever
north Africa had a significantly whiter history as well

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Sometimes I go to HNH meet ups to annoy Nick Lowles. Its so great being a anon.

@AlbionForever
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
North Africans are very different to sub-Saharan Africans.

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago

@Hyperborean1889
Indeed

CreativeNorth
4 hours ago
Hope not Hate is a funny name when they Hate you for Loving your People

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
KEK, Africans saying sub-saharans have no place in our African country.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Follow Homa Tawk
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@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
all they have to do is “delare they are gay” from one of these countries and boom u can get in

𝐍𝐈𝐆𝐇𝐓 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍 𝐑𝐄𝐕𝐈𝐄𝐖
4 hours ago

@JellyTitschArse1066

@STONE

@JohanFredrickson1290
o/

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Follow Joe Marsh (Welsh Nationalist)
Podcast
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Telegram
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Odysee

@Murderbaycasual

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
na

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
Neat.

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
NNR o/

Steve stone
4 hours ago
The rotten establishment would love to ban PA because you pose the greatest threat.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@utopia148800
Yorkshire

Steve stone
4 hours ago
Yes, let’s pray Charlie is released soon.

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
Is that Welsh accent? It is lovely.

@AThompson
4 hours ago
If PA was proscribed a tremendous precedent will have been set, even more significant than the precedent that was set when National Action was banned.

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
pa will last a 1000 years

Tony
4 hours ago
it’s the same types who attack PA/NJP , very similar people

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Is Nick Lowles Trans, Gay or just Camp?

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
we need the laws changed so we don’t feel like we have to temper our language when speaking on these issues, civil unrest will probably occur before that happens though

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
How can we make Nick Lowles itch?

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
noahide law

@purepalm
4 hours ago
God bless Mark and Laura…these are just the type of reasonable and responsible voices our people need…

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@NightNationReview
Thanks for your contribution

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
People need to grow confidence enough to speak up, this cannot continue indefinitely.

𝐍𝐈𝐆𝐇𝐓 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍 𝐑𝐄𝐕𝐈𝐄𝐖
4 hours ago

@MycroftHolmes
o/

Tony
4 hours ago
o/ Nick

@MycroftHolmes
4 hours ago
ayy Nick

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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𝐍𝐈𝐆𝐇𝐓 𝐍𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍 𝐑𝐄𝐕𝐈𝐄𝐖
4 hours ago
$6.00
Appreciate the breakdown of the recent history of British Nationalism, from a yank who doesn’t see these things up close. It is important that the history be known, and that there are solid examples of nationalism that is taken seriously and done with mature intentions.

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago

@PandaOccultist
The best way to do that is to stop looking at his awful website!

Welsh Nationalist
4 hours ago
Lowles is non bummdery

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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@AThompson
4 hours ago
8 ‘far right’ groups have been outlawed in the UK since the precedent was set with the banning of National Action in 2016.

@MycroftHolmes
4 hours ago
Hopefully they just let him off with a fine or something. Prison time for that would just be ridiculous.

PA Talk Channel
4 hours ago
evening all

Secure the future of our people
4 hours ago
Evening gents.

Dairy Milk With A Glass Of Milk
4 hours ago
Aside from the the BUF itself I guess, which needed new laws put in place to stop like eg why uniforms for groups aren’t allowed

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Okay. What would annoy Nick Lowles the most? Comedy question.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
noahide law explained

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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BakaUzai88
4 hours ago
we have a bill in Florida right now trying to pass that would take away free speech if you have a flyer that has so called antisemitic rhetoric on it…aka just names and facts.

@noreplacement
4 hours ago
Thank you Mark. These talks are important.

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago
And only the traitors and state assets will be trying to make it an issue to scare folk.

the woodlander
4 hours ago
be sensible people, its not that difficult, dont do anything stupid that reflects badly..

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
no white is an outlier

Laura Towler
4 hours ago

@KennySmith
Yes!

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Follow Kenny Smith
Odysee

@KennySmith
TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/@kennysmithpa

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Mark, Lowles Nick isn’t to be feared that much. He still hasn’t located me after 20 years …. the Guy can only attack you if you show advertise yourself.

Kenny Smith
4 hours ago
Only the weak and cowardly will be throwing in the towel over the State’s disgusting treatment of Kris.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
Sweden

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Join us at Patriotic Alternative:
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/play-your-part

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
lying to gain advantage

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Thick Lowles

Steve stone
4 hours ago
Who needs scum like NA

danzimmons
4 hours ago
yeah they’ve basically made it‘illegal’ to be White & British

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
^^^^

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
still shouldn’t be illegal, offence must not be legislated against

@MycroftHolmes
4 hours ago
All of that is just free ammunition.

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
cant fight fire wi petrol

BakaUzai88
4 hours ago

@JohanFredrickson1290
You think UK is going to have free speech? I see the US trying to take it away constantly.

Dairy Milk With A Glass Of Milk
4 hours ago
It was all done in satire, humour for participants but not for crusties I guess smh

@MycroftHolmes
4 hours ago
Wew lad.

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4 hours ago
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Tony
4 hours ago
wtf didn’t know it was that weird

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
zoharian

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
lol

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
what’s the legal precedent for ripping off the masks of antifa?

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
Nick Lowles = Low Nick

Tony
4 hours ago
FedNats

Tony
4 hours ago
F that satanic crap

Dairy Milk With A Glass Of Milk
4 hours ago
09A is a fed op – david myatt

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
im lucky nick lowles still hasnt found my real name.

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
lol its other way round baka

Dairy Milk With A Glass Of Milk
4 hours ago
He wasn’t a member iirc, only associated/bought NA branded stuff

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@PandaOccultist
This stream is also on DLive if you need it:
https://dlive.tv/LauraTowler

BakaUzai88
4 hours ago
your laws are coming to the states though so soon we all will have to deal with this BS together.

The most vilest of Pandas
4 hours ago
gettin lots of lag

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
4 hours ago
1984? more like 2024!

Padge O
4 hours ago
The BBC hit piece calling you guys far-right nationalists like it’s an insult. More and more people are totally disregarding their toxic word salad nonsense. British and proud, f off commies

Non Generic Nationalist
4 hours ago
take a look at all the new courts built next to mason lodges lol its a farce

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
evening mate

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago
British laws are becoming ever more Draconian

Non Generic Nationalist
5 hours ago
there is no law now its a masonic institute now of barristers and judges

Steve stone
5 hours ago
I know tony very well, good man

@MaybeNextTime
5 hours ago
Making devices is not the right way

The most vilest of Pandas
5 hours ago
cool. i left because me and daniel lake had bad blood.

@AlbionForever
5 hours ago

@JellyTitschArse1066
he’s a disingenous, slimey little gossip. he shamelessly lied about Wes’s age and claimed he was “still at school when he joined PA”, when he’s 25.

BakaUzai88
5 hours ago
UK laws are gay as hell.

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5 hours ago
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Gammonsandwich
5 hours ago

@PandaOccultist
I was in the main party at the same time.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
:thumbs_up:

Tony
5 hours ago
100%

@AlbionForever

@6079SmithW
5 hours ago
Hey woodlander! Nice to see you here

the woodlander
5 hours ago

the woodlander
5 hours ago
cheers reed

The most vilest of Pandas
5 hours ago
YBNP 2003 here

@AlbionForever
5 hours ago

@JellyTitschArse1066
and that rat Nick Cotton

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow The Woodlander
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@AThompson
5 hours ago
Nick Griffin had it easier with the BNP than PA have it, he was operating in a freer country for nationalists back then.

the woodlander
5 hours ago
evening everyone

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@TwentyFourHours
Thanks for contributing

@TwentyFourHours
5 hours ago
$5.00
Great work this month. I hope Charlie is free soon, it’s outrageous what they’re doing to him.

Chief Moody
5 hours ago
#FreeCharlie

BakaUzai88
5 hours ago
its crazy you have to say this. Unless it was CP he should be a free man.

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
5 hours ago
I am disgusted at the state of English laws on speech and expression, if I was legally minded I would make it a life’s work to achieve anerican-like first amendment, which they practically copied from us in the first place!

Tony
5 hours ago
bad actors cough Chris Mitchell

Welsh Nationalist
5 hours ago
Top man Charlie is

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Laura Towler:
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@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
5 hours ago

@PaganBear
this is a falling back strategy, it’s like saying move to Hungary or Poland because “england is lost”. Americans can afford to do that, we in Europe can’t.

Gammonsandwich
5 hours ago

@AThompson
I now believe if you can say it they probably would do it.

14Reasons
5 hours ago

@AThompson
if we don’t stop them they’ll force race mixing at this rate

Callaghan
5 hours ago
#WHITESUNITEWORLDWIDE#

Speak your mind
5 hours ago
Absolutely, well said Mark.

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
“British justice”? What a joke!

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago
what’s his chances looking like?

Tony
5 hours ago
Free Charlie , he did nothing wrong

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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The TrUK Show
5 hours ago
Charlie is an innocent man

The TrUK Show
5 hours ago
Free CBP

danzimmons
5 hours ago
why rape gangs are allowed to run roughshod over children

Steve stone
5 hours ago
well said hyperborean

@PaganBear
5 hours ago
Article says “white man good” = Terrorism!!!

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
That sounds so ridiculous it sounds made up. Staggering.

CreativeNorth
5 hours ago
It’s time for all Europeans and those in the world from the European bloodline to save Europe. Our homeland.

Steve stone
5 hours ago
Thank you for all that you do for us. you really are the salt of the earth!

@6079SmithW
5 hours ago
I’m 2 3rds through the grearest story never told. Quite an eye opener!

The most vilest of Pandas
5 hours ago
sharing bitcoin bottom and top date nearly got me done for insider trading

@PaganBear
5 hours ago
They better not try this shit in Canada, we are pretty based here.
More

Steve stone
5 hours ago
we are in a war pure and simple

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
What about the originator of the link. Have they been arrested?

Speak your mind
5 hours ago
Free CBP

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
The official Patriotic Alternative website:
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk
Patriotic Alternative Official on Telegram:
https://t.me/PatrioticAlternativeOfficial

Callaghan
5 hours ago
#FREE CHARLIE MASSIVE SPUDS

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago
declaring books illegal sounds fascist to me!

Ethno Nationalist
5 hours ago
Free CBP

Non Generic Nationalist
5 hours ago
this is britains al nakba’

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Mark Collett:
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@MaybeNextTime
5 hours ago
Selective application of the Law ? This is obscene

@PaganBear
5 hours ago
*nation

@PaganBear
5 hours ago
Oh no, I shared a scary article, now I have to go to jail, wow. Its like having an anti white SJW Karen running your daily life living there. English people need to get off grid, and become self sufficient, stop feeding the damn perverted subhuman mongrels running to your nations.

danzimmons
5 hours ago
yeah they’re dirty bastards

Gammonsandwich
5 hours ago
You can’t knock the guy for pleading guilty, he’s been put through hell and just wants to see his kids ans wife again.

14Reasons
5 hours ago
every other day I see our guys getting arrested by feds

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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crispystreakybacon
5 hours ago
bastards

Speak your mind
5 hours ago
What, that is awful.

@Proudbrit
5 hours ago
that’s fucked up

14Reasons
5 hours ago
monsters

Tony
5 hours ago
damn

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
Good idea

14Reasons
5 hours ago
ugh

danzimmons
5 hours ago
ill admit our weapon’s haven’t made much difference as far as migration is concerned but it seems clear as day why the “elite” pushed disarming of Oz & the UK

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/donations
– PA needs financial support to get us onto the next level.

@MycroftHolmes
5 hours ago
Yeah, that whole thing was silly. The An. Cookbook or whatever? Who hasn’t read that thing. I had that when I was 14.

14Reasons
5 hours ago

@PaganBear
it is

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago
Terrible.

@PaganBear
5 hours ago
I thought Canada was bad

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
5 hours ago

@BritishGammon
perhaps the barrier for the migrants could be a area around the country, we could maybe call it a border? for the migrants safety

@PaganBear
5 hours ago
Man England is soo cucked

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@mikey2363
Thank you for donating

14Reasons
5 hours ago
fuck

@mikey2363
5 hours ago
$5.00
Thank you Mark and Laura, welcome to all the new members of PA joining because of all the work you’re doing.

@MycroftHolmes
5 hours ago
Good viewership today.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA website, Statement on Kristopher Kearney (Charlie Big Potatoes)
https://tinyurl.com/4fvm9wyr
Mark Collett Telegram, Statement on Kristopher Kearney (Charlie Big Potatoes)
https://t.me/markacollett/7851

@Aunt-Sally
5 hours ago
Not just the homeless, there are young people who can’t leave home and start a family. There are people living in totally unsuitable shared accommodation where they only have one room.

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
The BBC said they put barriers around the hotel for the migrant’s safety!!

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@MelGibsonAfter5Beers
Indeed. I can only imagine

CreativeNorth
5 hours ago
o/

The most vilest of Pandas
5 hours ago
please ser stop, our bs crony family, think of the politicians

guy stark
5 hours ago
it was brilliant

Mel Gibson after 5 Beers
5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
we got the same treatment unfortunately , it’s worse under Musk than it was under Jack Dorsey lol

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
How could any MP argue against that wonderful and insightful speeh

The most vilest of Pandas
5 hours ago
ive been banned off twitter 15 times

CreativeNorth
5 hours ago
Awesome!

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago
They didn’t want to respond to that

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
5 hours ago
“free speech is back on Twitter”

Tony
5 hours ago
everyday people are sick of immigration

The most vilest of Pandas
5 hours ago

@DebDemos
dont worry we will. the wolds has an entire legion of preppers.

@RoryHerbert
5 hours ago
Great to see those two young girls in front of the PA scaffolding. That, in itself, was very moving.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Tea Time with Sam Melia and Laura Towler:
Odysee

@LauraTowler
DLive
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Speak your mind
5 hours ago
Respect to the people of Skegness , stand your ground.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Join us at Patriotic Alternative:
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@redcalx
5 hours ago
Potatoes did nothing wrong

guy stark
5 hours ago
they are NOT our police anymore

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Wesley Russell at Renew Britannia
Telegram
https://t.me/RenewBritannia
DLive:
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Odysee

@RenewBritannia

Laura Towler
5 hours ago
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@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA website, Patriotic Alternative BANNED on Twitter
https://tinyurl.com/2p8rntur

The TrUK Show
5 hours ago
It got millions of views
across Twitter alone

Mel Gibson after 5 Beers
5 hours ago
cheers from across the pond bröther , hail victory

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
Sir…sir…can I ask you to stop……Wes keeps talking

The most vilest of Pandas
5 hours ago
please ser

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5 hours ago
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The TrUK Show
5 hours ago
Go on Wes

Tony
5 hours ago
yeah !!

CreativeNorth
5 hours ago
Time to stand up. Respect!

@Aunt-Sally
5 hours ago
Bless him for not allowing them to shut him up

@RoryHerbert
5 hours ago
14

CreativeNorth
5 hours ago
14

Even Keel
5 hours ago
14

@EnglishRose
5 hours ago
14

Problematic Bob
5 hours ago
14

@Aunt-Sally
5 hours ago
14

Ethno Nationalist
5 hours ago
14

danzimmons
5 hours ago
“SHUT IT DOWN”

@TimSeymour
5 hours ago
14

@Proudbrit
5 hours ago

@npc123
5 hours ago
“STOP TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!”

danzimmons
5 hours ago
gets better every viewing

Speak your mind
5 hours ago
Brilliant, this is the future and the future is looking bright.

Ethno
5 hours ago
based af

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
“DON’T give me an excuse

@TwentyFourHours
5 hours ago
14

@6079SmithW
5 hours ago
14

danzimmons
5 hours ago
1⃣4⃣

Speak your mind
5 hours ago
14

Welsh Nationalist
5 hours ago
Top man Wes

danzimmons
5 hours ago
system pigs

@MrVans
5 hours ago
good work simon!

Welsh Nationalist
5 hours ago
Bus wankers

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
5 hours ago
(((bussed in))) counter protesters

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA Scotland
Email: scotland@patrioticalternative.org.uk
Gab:
https://gab.com/pataltscot
Odysee:

@PatAltScotland
Telegram:
https://t.me/PatAltScotland

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
Isn’t “democracy” wonderful

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
Public meeting…..behind closed doors

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@6079SmithW
:thumbs_up:

danzimmons
5 hours ago
do NGO’s have people with addresses should they be called out

@BigD1488
5 hours ago
Africa is 357 times the size of Ireland, why the hell is Ireland taking in Africants

@Stan1
5 hours ago
Go Wes!

@Aunt-Sally
5 hours ago
Wesley

@LargeinCharge
5 hours ago
THE LEGEND WESLEY

@RoryHerbert
5 hours ago
Good description, Si.

@MrVans
5 hours ago
WES WES WES

The TrUK Show
5 hours ago
Free CBP

CreativeNorth
5 hours ago
Love what ya’ll are doing from the US

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Help this channel by hitting the icon on the left side of this page for a like!

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
In the Night Garden… (TV Series 2007–2009)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0896228/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

danzimmons
5 hours ago
totally dependent on guberment gib’s

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
14

@Proudbrit
5 hours ago
14

@EnglishRose
5 hours ago
Champion

Welsh Nationalist
5 hours ago
14

Ethno Nationalist
5 hours ago
Well done Wesley

@MaybeNextTime
5 hours ago
14

TheMadHatter_14
5 hours ago
14 for Wes

@npc123
5 hours ago
these people

PA Talk Channel
5 hours ago
watch the power level slowly ramp up.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Wesley Russell
Telegram: t.me/RenewBritannia
DLive:
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Odysee:

@NefariousPodcast

@6079SmithW
5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
cheers

@RoryHerbert
5 hours ago
Not a good result for Scotland in the Rugby.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@6079SmithW
Good evening and welcome

@6079SmithW
5 hours ago
Can’t believe I caught a live one!

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow PA Talk with Si and Mean Peem
Telegram
https://t.me/PATalkChannel
DLive
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YouTube
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PA Talk Channel
5 hours ago
If anyone has and fresh & spicy PA memes, send them in to t.me/PATalChannel

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Si on Twitter
https://twitter.com/dissident_Si

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA Scotland: Erskine Says No Promo
https://odysee.com/ErskineSaysNo:8
PA Scotland // Erskine Was Never Asked

PA Scotland // Erskine Says No Demo 2 19-02-2023

@RoryHerbert
5 hours ago
According to Sadiq Khan you are now far-right of fascist if you oppose the expansion of his ULEZ zone in London.

danzimmons
5 hours ago
can’t see their Av

@AlbionForever
5 hours ago
I don’t get the people bitching about “hurr durr, you coopted the protest”. Who cares? the left and the unions bus people in from all over the country, who gives a flying fuck?

The TrUK Show
5 hours ago
99% in support of PA

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5 hours ago
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@TwentyFourHours
5 hours ago
8k comments on the BBC vid and 99% of them are on our side – quite a white pill!

danzimmons
5 hours ago
good job on Telegram Mark

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA East Midlands with Carl Wilkinson:
Email: eastmids@patrioticalternative.org.uk
Gab:
https://gab.com/PatrioticAlternativeEM
Telegram:
https://t.me/PatAltEastMids

@Stan1
5 hours ago
Public speaking is an art

@EnglishRose
5 hours ago
Outstanding! huge respect to everyone involved. well done!!

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago

@Homa_Tawk
fancy seeing you here, evening lad

danzimmons
5 hours ago
who’s the hater

Lawrence of Somerset
5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled
based

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago
at Newquay someone responded to GB news shill asking whether he’s concerned about the government saying such protests were “racist”, his response was “They’re just concerned parents.”

danzimmons
5 hours ago
not taking away from all PA’s hard work

danzimmons
5 hours ago
surely normies are noticing all the Irish people pushing back against their replacement

@BigD1488
5 hours ago
BBC should house the invaders in their studios

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago
Constant pressure to maintain narrative control.

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
The BBC called ordinary folk “far right” then wonder why they are not welcome

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
BBC video, Far-right nationalists protest against housing refugees in Skegness hotels – BBC Newsnight

Tony
5 hours ago
great work

@Homa_Tawk
5 hours ago
I’m pumped

@TwentyFourHours
5 hours ago
Brilliant stuff

@Aunt-Sally
5 hours ago
Wow

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Sam Melia on Telegram:
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@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow British Gammon
Twitter
Tweets by DesmondMakazi
Odysee

@BritishGammon

@BritishGammon
5 hours ago
Amazing stuff

@npc123
5 hours ago
PA are just awesome

@Stan1
5 hours ago
We were certainly never asked!

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Some sharp photos :thumbs_up:

Ryan 354
5 hours ago
This is the best kind of activism

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Skegness Anti-Migrant Hotel Protest // PA East Midlands
Odysee:

Tiktok:
https://tinyurl.com/2nnb45km
Gab:
https://tinyurl.com/48z7jpwh
Twitter:
https://tinyurl.com/2sumenp4

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago

@Murderbaycasual
It’s Big Joe Marsh like!

@Stan1
5 hours ago
Love it

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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@Homa_Tawk
5 hours ago
Nothing we do will match the feedback we get from regular people.

@A_Real_Witch’s_Brew
5 hours ago
Gotta teach school girls self defence to “deal with” the asylum seekers, but nah it’s PA causing division in the community – never concede the moral ground to these people.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA website, A Turning Point (Skegness demo)
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/a_turning_point

@MaybeNextTime
5 hours ago
MSM are poison

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@danzimmons
:thumbs_up:

@BB
5 hours ago
14

@RoryHerbert
5 hours ago
Unlike Tommy Robinson who tells PA to go away from protests.

@Homa_Tawk
5 hours ago
Cheers everyone! God bless the locals who took part.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA East Midlands
Email: eastmids@patrioticalternative.org.uk
Gab:
https://gab.com/PatrioticAlternativeEM
Telegram:
https://t.me/PatAltEastMids

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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danzimmons
5 hours ago
can we do the Dagoth meme’s or would it be considered pushing violence

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@streakybacon
My pleasure. You’re welcome

crispystreakybacon
5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
Thx for that link about Charlie big potatoes,much appreciated

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Skegness Anti-Migrant Hotel Protest // PA East Midlands

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Arab Social Nationalist
Gab
https://gab.com/ArabSocialNationalist
Telegram
https://t.me/arabsocialnationalist

danzimmons
5 hours ago
i do already of course, Thx Reed

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@danzimmons
Follow Joe Marsh (Welsh Nationalist)
Podcast
https://tinyurl.com/mwm3aew2
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/@WelshNationalist14
Telegram
https://t.me/realwelshnationalist14
Odysee

@Murderbaycasual

@WhiteLightKnight
5 hours ago

@WhiteLightKnight
5 hours ago
Good evening everyone. i look forward to these updates more and more.

Welsh Nationalist
5 hours ago
Im big boned

danzimmons
5 hours ago
he’s on Themtube

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled
:thumbs_up:

danzimmons
5 hours ago
Joe Marsh link

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Homa Tawk
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https://t.me/Bunch_a_hunks
Twitter
Tweets by Homo_Tawk

@BlackPigeonPilled
5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Chief Moody
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Twitter
https://tinyurl.com/2z7a8tju
Telegram
https://t.me/chiefmoody

@TobyRadley
5 hours ago

@BillAtheling
5 hours ago
evening folks

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Email Mark Collett mark@thefallofwesternman.com

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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All political expressiveness is flatulence; censor a fart and it will come back as thunder.
5 hours ago
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Arab Social Nationalist
5 hours ago
greetings goyim

@MrVans
5 hours ago
V I B E S

@TwentyFourHours
5 hours ago
Incredible work this month, well done!

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@Stan1
:thumbs_up:

@MaybeNextTime
5 hours ago
:love_1:

@Stan1
5 hours ago
Ty

@ReedJohnson

@Scooby
5 hours ago
hi

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago

@EnglishRose
Good evening :ok_hand:

crispystreakybacon
5 hours ago
best stream of the month ahead

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Help this channel by hitting the icon on the left side of this page for a like!

@EnglishRose
5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
Evening Mr Johnson

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Stan1 on Twitter
Tweets by s_stan1

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
PA website, Statement on Kristopher Kearney (Charlie Big Potatoes)
https://tinyurl.com/4fvm9wyr
Mark Collett Telegram, Statement on Kristopher Kearney (Charlie Big Potatoes)
https://t.me/markacollett/7851

Ethno Nationalist
5 hours ago
Good evening everyone

danzimmons
5 hours ago
Chief

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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Chief Moody
5 hours ago
Evening troops

danzimmons
5 hours ago
sup Mark Laura, chat

Tony
5 hours ago
o/

@Scooby
5 hours ago
hi

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5 hours ago
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@Stan1
5 hours ago
What a month!

@npc123
5 hours ago
PA told me to watch this stream – so I did.

@RoryHerbert
5 hours ago
Good evening folks.

@Oldmotherearth
5 hours ago
evening all

@EnglishRose
5 hours ago
Hello everyone

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Joe Marsh (Welsh Nationalist)
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Odysee

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Welsh Nationalist
5 hours ago
Yo bros

Steve stone
5 hours ago
good evening Patriots

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5 hours ago
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6 hours ago
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6 hours ago
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Tony
6 hours ago
#FreeCharlie

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6 hours ago
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6 hours ago
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6 hours ago
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Laura Towler
6 hours ago
Ey up

The most vilest of Pandas
6 hours ago
what up mark its freezing in lincolnshire

Beer Hall Pooch
9 hours ago
Eee by gum, it’s Lovely Laura and Uncle Mark!

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10 hours ago
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10 hours ago
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See Also

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Jean Raspail “Our Civilization is Disappearing”

 

 

Mark Collett – The Queen Doesn’t give a SH*T About You – Jan 7, 2022 — Transcript

 

 

History Debunked – Is Multiculturalism Predominantly a Jewish Enterprise? – Feb 21, 2022 – Transcript

 

 

Colin Jordan: At the tender age of 14 – that was 1937 – an aunt of mine took me over there, took a loan. It was a holiday under the auspices of something then called the Anglo Continental Family Centre. The idea was that you got that much more out of a holiday if you stayed with a German family. And that is what we did. I had a fortnight there.

 

 

There was a most amazing incident on, I think, the second day that I was there. And I should just briefly say that as a background, I was regarded by the headmaster of my then school as quite a problem. So much so that I believe on one occasion he was heard to remark that:

 

“Either he would have to leave or I would have to leave!”

 

Anyhow, this second day came, we were waiting near the opera house for a coach for some excursion, and I looked down the street and I thought:

 

“This figure coming along seems to look rather like my headmaster!”

 

But of course it couldn’t be! Anyhow it was! And of all the countries, and of all the places, and of all times, he too would come under the auspices of the Anglo Continental Family Centre to stay with the German family [chuckling]! I’ve never really decided whether he was more embarrassed at seeing me, or I was more embarrassed at seeing him. But it had a good effect because he was struck by the coincidence and our relations were a little bit better thereafter.

Yes, that was 1937. And although I can’t say that then I was really, politically, active, I wasn’t. It was just on the threshold. On the other hand, I appreciated the atmosphere which was most remarkable, and in my experience, unprecedented. That euphoria which was general in in the population over there.

 

 

Now, I’d gone there over age of 14, having had something of the hostile propaganda reflected on me. Nevertheless, I’ve been told, for instance, that there’s no such thing as milk readily available in Germany to ordinary citizens. The concentration is on guns instead of butter and dairy products.

 

 

Now that rather worried me because I was quite a consumer of milk at that age. I think the first day when I went for a walk in the town, to my surprise I saw milk advertised everywhere. Well, from that time on, as you can understand, I was no longer prepared to accept at faceworth what I saw in the newspapers. So that was a kind of a beginning of an awakening.

 

But overall, to be brief about it, even though I wasn’t then politically active, I couldn’t have failed to be impressed by the feeling of well being and confidence in the future that was manifest everywhere in Germany. There was a joyfulness! There was a joy in living that I’ve never come across anywhere else and you certainly won’t find in this country today!

 

The Birmingham Nationalist Club

 

The Birmingham Nationalist Club was a short lived affair created after I had finished at Cambridge. During the war I was successful in getting what was called an “Exhibition”, which was a minor scholarship, but it was held on one side until the end of the war and I then went to Cambridge from 1946 to 1949.

 

 

After finishing Cambridge, I came back to live, for the time being, south of Birmingham. And out of that period we created, myself and several others, we created what we called the Birmingham Nationalist. Now, that really sought to bring together a variety of people, simple nationalists, racial nationalists, national socialists.

 

Now, that came to an end. Well, no, it didn’t. It wouldn’t be quite true to say it came to an end. Someone else continued it after I left to take up a teaching job in Yorkshire. I came to Yorkshire for several years, turning to a teaching job as a way of gaining plenty of time to pursue my political ideas.

 

So that really was Birmingham Nationalist Club in a nutshell. A short-lived affair for a variety of kindred people, politically kindred people. It was continued, as I’ve indicated, after I took up this employment in Yorkshire for a time, but it folded up eventually.

 

[06:22]

 

The White Defence League

 

It was created in 1958, roundabout the time of the Notting Hill riots. And I then had the chance of premises in Notting Hill in Princedale Road, number 74 Princedale Road. A building which had originally been purchased by Arnold Leese for the benefit of Britons Publishing Society. Arnold Lease died in 1956 and his widow, not long afterwards, made the premises available to me in place of Britons Publishing Society, who moved to somewhere else in the same part of London.

 

 

Now, the White Defence League lasted from 1958 to 1962, when the National Socialist movement was created. No, I must correct that. I must correct that. The White Defence was founded a little later than 1958. It might have been 1959. I’m a little hazy on its precise birth date.

 

Anyhow, it achieved quite a lot of prominence for a small and short lived venture. By that I mean it resulted in my appearance on the Panorama Program. That has its amusing aspects [chuckling]. In the morning, I was interviewed at the home of a sympathizer in the Nottinghill area. I just don’t recall the name of the interviewer for Panorama, but he was someone who went on to a diplomatic position in North America.

 

Anyhow, it was quite a fair and quite a lengthy interview, when it was eventually shown. It was really quite good. Now, at the end of that morning interview, I was told that there was to be a second part of things and that was to be at their studios. And that their plan then was to have a number of, I suppose, what we called “showbiz people” present and then go the rounds asking them their opinion of this horrible man and his horrible organization and perhaps give me a little chance of a reply.

 

So, I duly went along and they’ve got Johnny Danquis and Cleo Leyden, and another fellow now. I forget some of the names now, I must admit. Anyhow, they’ve got a scene suggestive of a kind of pub, and they went around asking these people their opinion, which I need hardly stressed was not exactly complimentary to me and my organization. And then they came back to me. And that was it.

 

Of course, in that afternoon event, they gave the preponderance of opportunity to the other side, speaking. If only for the morning affair, it was very worthwhile. I was quite pleased when I saw it shown. That was quite a thing for the White Defence League. It had quite a lot of publicity. And although it was in the very centre of Notting Hill, we survived.

 

In fact, such were the different conditions of those days that we could send out teams of leaflet distributors. And they could go out in that area of Notting Hill and they could put their leaflets through doors and they could emerge afterwards and return still alive! I mean, that wouldn’t be the case today, [chuckling] I’m quite sure! Yes, things were that much different then! We had a wire grill over what was the shop window on the ground floor, on the inside of which we sort of had posters and literature. And the coloureds used to come along, rather like monkeys! They used to shake the grill! But that’s as far as it went. They didn’t do anything more drastic than that.

 

And so the White Defense League lasted for about a couple of years. It had an amount of publicity out of all proportion to its membership, which is very, very small. And the real significance of the thing, it ended with its amalgamation with something called the National Labour Party, run by John Bean. He got together with me and we decided in favour of an amalgamation. And so that earlier British National Party what was created, with its headquarters at 74 Princedale Road, the old White Defense League premises.

 

In time, tension reached boiling point over those that wanted to follow a distinct National Socialist course and those that didn’t. And those that didn’t found their leadership in John Bean. So there was a split. And out of that split, John Tyndall and I founded the National Socialist Movement at the beginning of 1962..

 

 

Now, we conceived the idea of trying to arrange a meeting in Trafalgar Square as a good launch pad. And [chuckling] to our amazement, we were given the necessary permission. I have to say that after that meeting and Mosley Union Movement meeting that followed shortly afterwards, there was never again, to my knowledge, an occasion when the authorities took the risk of allowing such a meeting.

 

 

Anyhow, this Sunday came, I think it was either the first or the second July 1962. And we went along there. We had a huge placard. It was in sections for ease of transport, that Covid the whole of the span of the plinth in Trafalgar Square, “Free Britain from Jewish Control”. Quite [chuckling] striking that was.

 

And also quite striking was the fact that well before the meeting started, there was a sizable and growing contingent of opponents. At it’s height, I think the crowd came to something in the region of 5,000. But there was about 500 at the front who were largely jews, and if not jews, they were of a Left-wing persuasion. And of course, they showed in no unmistakable way, well before the meeting started, they were there to try and wreck it!

 

 

Now we got going, we got three speakers. Denis Pirie was the first one, John Tyndall was the second, and I was the third.

 

Well, of course, the uproar gathered pace from speaker to speaker, and coming third, I had the full torrent. I must say that we had a fair deal from the police, the likes of which we would not get and no one else would get today. The chapter in charge was a Chief Superintendent Burgoy, and he was a good stick! Really, he could have, if he wanted to, he could have come up with the excuse that things were getting out of hand and he could have stopped the meeting, and stopped it finally at quite an early stage. But he let Pirie carry on.

 

 

Although several, I think it was actually five times, he had to ask us to pause while the police fought to restore order. It was that sort of situation. Well, you know, today they’d never ask you just to pause! They’d be putting you in the van and that would be the end of it.

 

Anyhow, it came to my turn. And I can say that I got within about three or four minutes of the end of my speech when Burgoy said:

 

“I’m awfully sorry, but it’s getting beyond us!”

 

And really it was a seething mass down there. Every conceivable sort of object was being thrown at us. And he closed the meeting.

 

Well, of course, that wasn’t the end of the problem. We had the problem of getting away in one piece. You’ve referred to the front page photograph on the Daily Telegraph and other papers of the battle to get the Land Rover away. I don’t quite remember where John Tyndall had managed to secrete this Land Rover which he was driving, or how he managed to get it back from where he’d hidden it to collect all the gear, you see. But they had quite a fight to get away from the thing.

 

And as you say, there was Martin Webster wielding this placard. I believe that in the end, sort of Tyndall sort of got going, some Jew got in the way, and I believe part of the Land Rover went over part of the jew! Because there were reports of squirming and screaming and whatnot.

 

Anyhow, while all this was taking place, I and others were still on the plinth. And some police officer came up to me and said:

 

“If I were you.”

 

He said:

 

“I’d just go to the other side and drop off.”

 

I thought:

 

“Thanks for nothing!”

 

Because they were still swirling about there. Anyhow, it had to be done. And we dropped off.

 

I remember that in making our way through the remaining throng, there was one Jew and he prostrated himself on the ground and he was saying:

 

“A jewish curse on you! A jewish curse on you!”

 

Not that it seemed to have any permanent ill effect on us, [chuckling] but it was quite amusing.

 

The police closed the underground station for about half an hour, or so, after we’d got through and therefore we were able to get away. And we came out in one piece. And that was Trafalgar Square. [chuckling].

 

But it had quite an impact. I remember, as an example, I remember an American writing and saying:

 

“I was having a bath with the radio on. And there came this news flash that a riot had broken out in downtown London!”

 

That was [chuckling] the Trafalgar Square meeting!

 

 

George Lincoln Rockwell: If I were religious, I would say:

 

“Hitler was the second coming of Christ!”

 

I think Hitler was a gift from Providence. I think he was so far above anything that I’ll be able to accomplish, that it’s almost sacrilegious for me to speak of myself in the same terms as Hitler.

 

Interviewer (male): But this is your objective, to model yourself as closely as possible, …

 

George Lincoln Rockwell: My objective is to carry out what Hitler started! Not to model my own person on Hitler, because this is impossible.

 

Colin Jordan: We set about arranging this camp with the idea of, if at all possible, getting Lincoln Rockwell to attend, and making the most publicity out of it. So it was arranged that he would fly to southern Ireland to the airport there. And we would pick him up, which we did. We smuggled him across the border. I can give you the details if you want.

 

Interviewer (male): Yes, by all means, yes.

 

Colin Jordan: I see. All right.

 

Interviewer (male): A bit of colour to a notorious event.

 

Colin Jordan: Yes, indeed.

 

Well, we got to Shannon Airport on the arranged day. The Air Lingus plane came in from the States, and no Lincoln Rockwell! Well, that of course, really disheartened us. But wisely we decided, well, we’ll stay on another day and try tomorrow. Which we did.

 

And then to our relief, outstepped from the plane, amongst the other passengers this tall figure that couldn’t be anybody other than George Lincoln Rockwell.

 

 

So we set off with him up through Ireland to get to Northern Ireland. Now, on our way down, we had reconnoitered the border, and we had found a little sidetrack well off the main road which we thought would be the way of getting Rockwell across.

 

So having collected him at the Shannon Airport we spent the day leisurely traveling north. We stopped and had some preliminary discussions on the proposed charter for the World Union of National Socialists. And we got to a place called Monahan, near the border. We didn’t know at the time that there was a hot spot for IRA activity.

 

Anyhow, we killed time until it would be suitably dusk. The plan then being that the car would go around the normal way through the checkpoint but it would first of all to the suitable point, it would drop off Rockwell and myself. And we would go the unofficial way and then be picked up by the car afterwards.

 

Something that we didn’t know at the time was that Monahan that day had been playing some other village at football. And in the aftermath the greater part of the population was quite tipsy. So we came to this point on the road where the car went one way and Rockwell and I got off and we pursued our way to the border passing several tipsy people returning home.

 

Rockwell couldn’t believe that it was that sort of innocent explanation from his experience in the States. He was sure that they were agents of something or other. But they weren’t. Anyhow, we reached the border point there were stakes to impede vehicles getting across and then we had to wait for the car.

 

Well now there was smuggling going on at that time so the first headlights which caused us to get up from behind the hedge, were a false alarm. It was smuggling going on and we then began to wonder how much longer we were going to be waiting. I then discovered that Rockwell was susceptible to hay fever and was upset by this crouching about in the grass [chuckling]!

 

Anyhow, before too long other headlights came and it was our car and we got him into England. And we lodged him about three or four days before the camp is due to start at a hotel in Cheltenham under a false name.

 

Now, having got him into the country and being intent on making the maximum publicity and at that time we couldn’t go wrong in attracting press attention. If you blew your nose and you were in the NSM it got a headline. [chuckling] So we announced that we were going to bring Lincoln Rockwell into the country. Of course he was already in the country.

 

Well, I think the Home Secretary was a fellow called Brook then, and he immediately went on record and he says:

 

“We’re not allowing that sort of thing, he won’t be allowed in. I’ve issued orders to all the airport and seaport officials to keep Lincoln Rockwell out!”

 

To keep out the man, in other words, that was sitting in a hotel in Cheltenham.

 

Anyhow, about three days after the camp had started, it was a Saturday, I got him out of the hotel in the evening. And in a rather roundabout way got him into the camp. There was a big camp fire and we’ve got all our people around it. And I stepped forward first of all out of the darkness and said a few words which concluded with me saying:

 

“We had a surprise for them. We had a special visitor, none other than George Lincoln Rockwell!”

 

And he stepped into the firelight. Well, it was really quite a dramatic scene!

 

 

To quote in the subsequent Spearhead trial, witnesses from the Special Branch who had been hiding in the undergrowth period, they said that:

 

“A tremendous cheer went up, and that was when Rockwell arrived!”

 

So there was Rockwell in the camp. He stayed about a day and a half and then we smuggled him out.

 

And having taken a photograph of him in the camp, which we sold to the Daily Mirror, we also set up with a representative amongst the horde of journalists hanging about outside the camp all the time.

 

We also set up a prospective meeting with Palliamach [sp]. The proceeds of which were going to be divided halfway between our NSM and Rockwell’s organization. But the camp had been concluded. I took Rockwell down to London, lodged him in the Cumberland Hotel, and I went to meet the Palliamach chap, as I understood it, in the Charing Cross Hotel.

 

When I got in the Charing Cross Hotel, you could hardly move for journalists! They’d obviously got wind that something was going to happen and they’d followed this Palliamach chap when he’d gone to the Charing Cross Hotel. They had gone too.

 

Well for about an hour or so, I tried to shake them off. I did all the usual tricks like going to the nearest underground station and waiting, you know, until the doors were almost shutting and jumping in. But I couldn’t shake them off. So I just had to leave Rockwell to his own devices.

 

 

And what he did was he assumed after quite a time that things had gone radically wrong, as indeed they had, and so he improvised. There wasn’t the prospect of the Palliamach interview. But he got in touch with the Daily Mirror. And he went along and did an interview with them.

 

 

He told them in the course of his interview, which was perfectly truthful, that having done this interview he intended simply to go along to Scotland Yard and give himself up. His mission was completed and he’d be happy to go back to the States. But he was picked up by the police on his way between the Mirror office and Scotland Yard. They tipped the police off.

 

Anyhow, I forget now how I came to know all this at that time, what had happened, but I did. And I went along to Scotland Yard and there again as an example of how different things were in those days. When I got there, he was being treated in splendid fashion, really. He got several senior police officers chatting with him, all big smiles! And I was allowed up there and had a talk with him. It really was quite amazingly friendly.

 

Anyhow, they did trick us in the sense that they intimated that it’d be quite some time before they deported him. But in point of fact they contrived to get him on a plane, the next morning! But in true Rockwell fashion he had the last word, in the sense that when he got to the top of the steps onto the plane, he turned around, gave the salute, and said:

 

“I’ll be back!”

 

Well, I mean, that was Rockwell all over! It, summed it up, no more need to be said, I’ll be back. As a matter of fact, he never did get back. But it was the Right show of defiance, wasn’t it?

 

[27:50]

 

Interviewer (male): How will you remember him?

 

Woman: I will remember Mr. Rockwell as a tall, handsome, neatly dressed man that came into the laundromat very graciously. I was impressed with the charm of this individual and I was most happy that I could give him a second washing machine. And I’ll remember him just that way, as a very charming man.

 

 

 

Spearhead

 

 

Colin Jordan: Spearhead was created prior to the National Socialist Movement in the later days of the original British National Party. And it was created with the idea of gathering together young and fit members to provide defense at meetings and other activities. I can say in all honesty, for I have no reason to twist things at this stage. I can say in all honesty it was not conceived as an offensive weapon, it was conceived as a defense force! That was during the later days of the British National Party.

 

And when the split took place and the NSM was created, the Spearhead, to a man, went with John Tyndall and myself, into the NSM. There was a uniform, but it was only used indoors as was permissible in terms of the 1936 Public Order Act, which banned public uniform.

 

Of course, the authorities kept a close watch on the organization in general and this formation in particular. And eventually they decided to prosecute us under a little, if ever, used section of the Public Order Act, which provided for the prosecution of bodies which either did, or gave, what they called “reasonable apprehension” either did or gave a reasonable apprehension of being intended to supplant the police and to pursue political objectives by violent means. Now, they prosecuted us and the matter came to trial at the Old Bailey, in a celebrated number one criminal court. Lasted a fortnight.

 

And in the outcome, they succeeded in convicting on the reasonable apprehension part of that section of the law, but failed in respect of trying to establish that we had actually used force. So we were acquitted of actually using force. And as I said, it was never the intention of that formation to use force against opponents. It was defensive. But we were convicted on the grounds of “giving reasonable apprehension”.

 

Well, that’s a lovely elastic phrase that could cover almost anything. They prosecuted through a man called Griffiths, a barrister called Griffiths, a QC called Griffiths, who had been on the prosecuting team at the Nuremberg trial. And they prosecuted after having raided not only the NSM headquarters, but my home in Coventry, and John Tyndall’s home, and the homes of two other prominent members of the Spearhead, Denis Pirie and Roland Kerr-Ritchie. And all sorts of things [chuckling] which they obtained as the results of these raids appeared as exhibits on a very long table at the front of the number one court in the Old Bailey.

 

Prosecution witness called Clancy. He was supposed to be a scientific witness to the fact that some sodium chlorate, weed killer, found in the basement of the NSM headquarters was there with one purpose, and one purpose alone, and that was to make explosives, in the offences conducted by the NSM. I can say in all honesty it wasn’t true at all! And I don’t, to this day, know how that came to be. There there was no garden at 74 Princedale Road. There was no need for weed killer, but there were so many oddments down there that it could have got there for mysterious reasons.

 

Anyhow, Clancy was due to perform. And to perform to the extent of asserting that, this was his theme, that sodium chlorate weed killer was the only readily obtainable household substance that could be used to make exposures.

 

Well, we had a chap in the NSM who knew a bit about chemistry and he said:

 

“This is nonsense!”

 

And he gave me a list of other things, I forget them now at this distance of time, that could be used. And one of them was the old fashioned sore throat remedy, potassium chloride. I think it’s chloride, or chlorate. At any rate, it was potassium something or other, these tablets. And on the morning that Clancy was due to perform, I found time to go to a chemist in Nottinghill and obtain some of the allegedly highly dangerous Pop Chloro [sp] tablets. So there we were. By the way, there was never a vacant seat in the Old Bailey during those 14 days [chuckling]! It was well and truely packed really!

 

 

There we were, and there was Clancy. And he said his piece. And I was then really conducting the defense for all four of us. And so my opportunity came to question Clancy. Well, I went through this list that have been supplied by this knowledgeable member of the NSM. And poor old Clancy became visibly more and more distressed. And then I came to what I regarded as, you know, the final stroke. So I asked the court usher to take down to Clancy a box of matches and a Pop Chloro tablet. And I said:

 

“Now then, Mr. Clancy, will you please taking your right hand the box of matches and will you take in your left hand the Pop Chloro tablet?”

 

Well, there’s a good, satisfying dramatic pause, and Clancy obeyed. You could certainly [chuckling] have heard the proverbial pin drop in the Old Bailey! Well, what on earth are you going to get to next, you see.

 

Anyhow, I said:

 

“Now Mr. Clancy, what I want you to do is with the matchbox in one hand, and the Pop Chloro tablet in the other, take the Pop Chloro tablet and rub it against the abrasive strip on the matchbox.”

 

Well, old Clancy, he looked at one hand for a moment and he looked at the other hand for the moment. And then he did a little jump back and said:

 

“No! I don’t want to burn my fingers!”

 

So that was my cue for saying:

 

“Well, Mr Clancy, you know, really, figuratively speaking, you’ve been burning your fingers throughout your appearance this morning. I mean, it is nonsense, is it not, that sodium chlorate is the only substance that can be used? There’s all sorts of things, including the Pop Chloro that you’ve been handling so delicately!”

 

The prison officer who was in charge of the gallery, after Clancy had, thankfully for himself, disappeared, said:

 

“This is one of the best shows I’ve seen for a long time!”

 

He said [chuckling]:

 

“You really embarrassed him!”

 

So there was good fun.

 

They convicted us at the end, as I said, on the “reasonable apprehension” part of the legislation, and we endured our terms of imprisonment. In my case, it was nominally nine months, with, of course, admission for so-called good conduct. John Tyndall, six months, and Denis Pirie and Roland Kerr-Ritchie, three months.

 

But we gave them a run for their money. We used to go back in the evening and try and think out new stunts for the next day, to keep command of attention. And I think, largely speaking, we succeeded. I know that towards the, well, it was at the end of the proceedings, on one day when the ritual was on behalf of my co-defendants, I had to get up and ask for a renewal of bail overnigh. Or else of course, you were bundled off and spent overnight in the cells.

 

I added to it a request for a subpoena against the then figurehead of the jewish community. And I just forget the details of the matter now, which aren’t very important. The fact was, this came as a fair shock to the audience. And the judge said:

 

“Well, …”

 

He was a man called Barry. That’s right. That was his name, Barry. He said:

 

“I’ll have to think overnight.”

 

Well, that was all right, because the last editions of the Evening Standard, and Star, wasn’t it? They had this headline on the front page:

 

“Jordan asked for subpoena against head of the jewish community.”

 

In the morning he refused. But it had done it’s good work. And we got a good old load of publicity out of it [chuckling].

 

[38:49]

 

 

Savitri Devi

 

 

I suppose it might be about 1960 when I first got to hear of her. Then came the time of the Trafalgar Square meeting and subsequent imprisonment, and she came to see me in prison. Not only came to see me, but saluted me in the approved fashion on doing so, regardless of the prison staff [chuckling]! Much to their amazement, I think!

 

 

And we then had, oh, I should have said before the imprisonment, she came to England to attend the camp we had in the Cotswolds. That took place, of course, shortly before, in the same year, 1962, that the prosecution against the formation called the Spearhead came about. And we were on trial in the number one court at the Old Bailey for a fortnight. It’s quite a memorable affair.

 

 

Yes, Savitri Devi came to see me. She came to the camp and then she came to see me when I was in prison. And I think on one or two other occasions we met afterwards, though it was more probably afterwards by correspondence. I met her in France on a subsequent occasion. I remember that occasion. So I had quite a lot of contact with Savitri. She had a brilliant brain and most extensive knowledge of past history. A very impressive person, too.

 

Interviewer (male): What’s your opinion of her writings?

 

Colin Jordan: Well, she gets way up in the clouds to a very considerable extent. I can’t say that in every single respect I follow her line of thought, but basically I appreciate, and agree with her spiritual conception of National Socialism. She sets it in the context of “Ages”, as a belief in resurgence and renewal, reawakening in the course of the cycles of development and decay.

 

The general principle there I most certainly accept. But as I say, she does lose me a bit sometimes with the the depths of her understanding.

 

[41:40]

 

Rudolf Hess

 

 

I have to start off by vividly remembering my father coming upstairs to my bedroom in 1941 to tell me that he just heard the news about Rudolf Hess’s landing! Of course, he hoped that that was going to lead to a termination of the fratricidal struggle, because neither of my parents were in favour of the war. They weren’t sort of politically involved, as I later became, but they certainly had no enthusiasm for the war.

 

 

But of course, we all know what happened to poor Rudolf Hess after parachuting down. And I continue to feel very strongly on this issue of Rudolf Hess. Certainly from the end of the war. In the earlier British National Party, we for instance, we produced a large, fairly large poster in support of the release of Rudolf Hess, which had supporting details from a number of other organizations. It was a joint effort, that one.

 

 

We put that sort of poster in favour of Rudolf Hess up in prominent places in the West End of London. We did what we could to certainly raise the issue and it continued to be a burning an issue with me right up to at least the time of his death.

 

I visited his wife on a couple of occasions. She by then was living at Gailenberg. She had a guest house there. And on the second occasion I spent a week at this guest house with my mother. She had, of course, Rudolf Hess himself was adept at English and he had quite a large library of English books, all of which ended up in the guest house at Gailenberg. And they were able to have a look at some of them.

 

Frau Hess stressed to me in conversations how devoted her husband had been to the idea of Anglo German friendship, how horror stricken he was when it came to war, and how he had staked all on his heroic attempt to end the war!

 

I was then in touch with, and remained in touch for many years, with a man called Tom Graham. He lived for part of the time in Australia, but for part of the time he lived in the Newcastle area in England. And he was a very devoted man. He’d undergone and suffered a lot for his beliefs. And he put them first in his life and lived quite simply in order to do what he wanted to do in support of those beliefs. And Tom Graham, it was him, he came up with the idea of a memorial at the spot where Rudolf has parachuted down.

 

 

Well, by then I had explored the area myself. It’s not far south of Glasgow, in the Eaglesham area, and I’ve been pleasantly received by the then farmer. I went along unheralded and he was very pleased to take and show me where he got a stone. I don’t quite know how he had arrived at that exact spot, but he had a stone to mark the spot where Rudolf Hess had parachuted down. His plane, of course, had crashed a short distance away, not on that actual farm.

 

Well, I told all of this to Tom Graham, and although Tom was must have been getting into his 80s by then, he took it upon himself to go up there, visit the spot himself, visit the farmer, get the farmer’s agreement to a memorial stone. And a very fine memorial stone he had made. I forget where he was made now, but it really was very fine.

 

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It was worded to effect to mark spot where Rudolf Hess had parachuted down in attempt to end the struggle between Britain and Germany. There was nothing that you would say in mentioning that important fact was offensive, not at all.

 

And anyhow, Tom goes up there and with an equally elderly friend of his, they receive, in whatever manner it was, this finely engraved stone and they set it in cement with a border of stones, and the finished job was shown by photographs I have of it was very, very good indeed.

 

Now, I suppose, really, with the wisdom of hindsight, it was something of a mere miracle that it lasted as long as it did! Because it did last about six months, during which time Hess’s son, Wolfgang Rudiger Hess [Nov 18, 1937 – Oct 21, 2001], went up there and saw it, much to his delight. And even entertained the rather fond hope that some kind of gathering could be held there. I must admit I was a bit uncertain about that as a possibility.

 

Anyhow, it lasted about six months and then none less than a [word unclear], Aamer Anwar who was the local official of the Anti-Nazi League, he took advantage of the farmer being away at some stock sales or whatever it was, to take along by prior arrangement, a sledgehammer and a filming team.

 

And so there he was, this character performing in front of the cameras, using a sledgehammer to destroy the monument to a man whose boots he wasn’t fit to lick!

 

I tried for a long time to bring the authorities in one way or another, at one level or another, to do something against this individual for this act. But of course, they covered up for him. I mean, they were quite happy to see it down, I’m sure, in that way.

 

The farmer himself behaved very well, really. He despite the tremendous harassment, as you can imagine, he suffered over the matter, he still said good words in defense of his purpose in having the site marked it that way.

 

 

I’ve not been up there since. And that, of course, was a number of years ago. Well, that was it. The monument to Rudolf Hess’s, really unrivaled feat of personal heroism! To fly into enemy’s sky in the midst of a war, with the idea of making peace, it’s awe inspiring! Awe inspiring! The man should never be forgotten, and always honoured for that tremendous, ….

 

 

Unfortunately, his son, who I kept up regular correspondence with, his son had a kidney trouble and died about two to three years ago. But not before he had written two books.

 

You may be acquainted with them. The first was the general story of his efforts to secure the release of his father. And the other one was exploring and asserting the theme that he’d been murdered. That this story of this poor old man who really couldn’t raise his arm because of arthritis and age to the necessary height to hang himself, and nevertheless hanged himself! He was done done away with!

 

 

Hoess’s contention, very firmly was that there was a distinct prospect, for their own good reasons, of the Russians at long last agreed to his release. And, of course, the fear with the British and the Americans was as to what he would disclose, if and when he was released. I mean, they just couldn’t stand the prospect of that.

 

 

I am firmly convinced that Hess’s son is absolutely right, and that he was, in fact, done away with Rudolf Hess:

 

“The party is Hitler. But Hitler is Germany just as Germany is Hitler.”

 

[51:52]

 

Adolf Hitler

 

 

We can and we do need to look to the National Socialism of the 1930s as providing guidance. Guidance not only in ideas and plans that were formulated, but in the vigour, the devotion which it’s followers then applied. There has been no comparable intensity of belief and of service, I’m afraid, in Britain, in recent times to bear any comparison with Germany.

 

 

My brief visit for a fortnight in 1937 showed me the euphoria that prevailed. It showed me a nation which had risen from defeat to be proud and confident and joyful! There was a joy of living which was inescapably present and which I felt even as the answer in the Germany of those days. And that was due, of course, to the work of thousands who supported him. But at the centre of things, to the inspiration of this one man, this virtual creator in the modern sense of National Socialism.

 

 

He arrived on the scene when the jeopardy of the Ayrans was becoming more and more pronounced, nowhere near as grave as has become the case since his demise. But nevertheless, he came at a time when the jeopardy was very serious. He gave us by his ideas and the force of his personality and the inspiration that that provides. He gave us the opportunity to halt the drift to destruction. And unfortunately, this country took a leading role in bringing it to defeat.

 

 

I constantly wake up in a kind of perspiration in the night to think of this. The extent to which we’re not getting each day nearer and nearer the millennium, but further and further away. To contemplate what was our opportunity in 1939 if instead of going to war against brother nation Germany, we had linked with Germany in furtherance of the interests of our common race. It’s the most painful thought, always coming to me.

 

 

He was the greatest champion the Ayran race has ever seen, or is ever likely to see! That I am absolutely persuaded!

 

 

Of course, if you want to sit back and dissect every single happening of the past, you can produce a list of things you think were of the nature of comparative mistakes. But when I contemplate in what lays greatness, in what he presented, in salvation of the human race, then all the rest pales into utter significance.

 

All the stories of what he did wrong and all the hurt that he inflicted, to my mind pale into insignificance in comparison with what he did and what he offered. There’s never been anyone else in Ayran history who has come forward as such a champion of our race, and who has offered such an opportunity. And in the short period that was allowed to him, his achievements were monumental!

 

 

And so I’m happy to say today, all these years later, what I said in Trafalgar Square in 1962. And that was:

 

“Hitler was right!”

 

Adolf Hitler:

 

 

“We succeeded in giving the Germans a new idea, in uniting our people in that idea and in leading them to a new way of life. This is this century’s greatest achievement for our people.”

 

 

I firmly believe today, as I have always believed, that this is the struggle, the struggle for what reasonably you can establish as the values of life, which is the justification and the explanation and the valuation of life. I firmly believe that even if it could be proved to me that we don’t stand an earthly chance of success in the conventional sense of attaining power, that nevertheless it’s a necessity of being, to fight the good fight as you see it, to the best of your ability. That in itself, I am firmly convinced, is always a victory! What is always a defeat is if you fail to struggle to the utmost of your ability for what rationally you believe in.

 

 

Therefore, although I cannot say that my life, so far at 81, has produced great results in the conventional way of analyzing, I’m satisfied that I have put my life to good purpose, and I have derived great satisfaction from my success in annoying and harming my enemies and what they stand for! I think it has given the meaning to my life.

 

 

Of course, obviously, no one but a fool would reflect on his life without seeing things which could be been done better. Now, that, of course, is perfectly true. But any idea that I would look back with the wisdom of hindsight and say it’s been some kind of gigantic mistake to have pursued the political crusade that I’ve done that is entirely foreign to my outlook and nature. I could have wished, of course, to have done many things better. I could have wished to obtain more success in many ways. But I am satisfied that I put my life to what I regard as good purpose. Fight the good fight, and that’s a victory!

 

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Simon: Okay. Hello everyone and welcome to European freedom livestream number 19. Which is a conversation with Nick Griffin, who isn’t here yet. Nick’s going to be here for the first hour, or so. So we got a lot to talk about. Let’s hope he arrives soon. If he’s not gonna be here for the first hour, he’ll be here for an hour, whenever he arrives.

 

But let’s chat about a few things before he comes, and welcome my good old mate Horus. How’s it going?

 

Horus: Well Simon. It’s good. I’ve just that a massive roast dinner which is quite a treat for Tuesday. And [word unclear] as well. So it’s going well. How are you doing?

 

Simon: That is good. I’m going okay. Pottering along.

 

Horus: Vienetta today?

 

Simon: Yes. We had had aubergines and I don’t know what haricot beans, I suppose they’re called and a bit of pepper, you know. At the moments I’ve cooked 32 with the 32nd day of the lockdown. We’ve had 32 different things to eat. I’m beginning to run out of ideas now! Becoming a bit difficult. What’s the state of your latest video?

 

Horus: I’ve recorded it. I’ll just got an odyssey of editing to do. It’s probably gonna end up being more than two hours, this one. I don’t even know if it’s that exciting, so don’t anyone be expecting anything. But I’ve started doing more conversations. I did my first live stream the other night. Which, thank you for your question, by the way.

 

Simon: Yeah.

 

Horus: And thanks to everyone else who tuned in to that. There were loads of people watching like compared to what I expected. And I’m hopefully talking to Alison Chabloz tomorrow, and others soon. So yeah, so I’ve done more live stuff in between. It’s just easier.

 

Simon: Well Nick is here. So I’m gonna add him to the stream. Good evening Nick! It’s very, very, it’s a great pleasure to finally speak to you.

 

Nick Griffin: Sorry about the delay. The internet is working at a snail’s pace here at the moment. But I’ve now managed to get on. We should be okay.

 

Simon: Good! That’s what’s important. Okay, as I said, to everybody in there in the chat and it’s gonna be here for the first hour, or so. So we need to crack on with questions. And before we start everybody knows who Nick is, so I don’t need to give him a massive introduction. But before we start I wanted to say to everyone how fantastic it is to finally speak to Nick, because most of the audience will remember when I came out on the JQ, back in February, March 2018. And after I came out it was a bit like being in a tank of piranhas! And one of the few people that reached out to support me was Nick. And he and I have been in loose contact every now and then. But it was really great to feel that there was someone out there fighting my corner. So I want to thank you for that Nick.

 

Nick Griffin: Oh you’re welcome. I was very pleased to see you come out, as they say! [chuckling]

 

Simon: Yeah, it was a big moment for me. Okay, let’s start with some Nick Griffin recent news. I’ve kind of noticed inevitably researching this show that you’ve done a flurry of interviews and you’ve kind of you’re back on the scene again. Can you give us some idea about why perhaps why are you back on the scene? What plans have you got in the immediate future?

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah, well it was really a question of why I was off the scene actually. A little bit of that what personal. I’ve been renovating a house, but I’ve I finished that. But far more important than that, I’ve been, for several years after leaving the BNP, people have been asking me, you know,:

 

“Form a political party Nick. We will follow you!”

 

And all the rest of it. And I wasn’t prepared to do that, because I concluded that the electoral road was shut. And so to say I’m forming a political party give me your subscriptions, everything’s going to be fine, would have been a pure lie, which I wasn’t prepared to do! And it’s taken me several years of well a lot of very intensive work and thought and research to really work out where we are, and what can be done. And there’s great many good things that can and should be done. So now that I’ve got a clear vision of where we need to go, and what needs to be done, then it’s time to start talking about it again and selling the idea.

 

So I’ve set this down into what’s effectively three books, actually. Now the first one pretty near completion. And once I felt, once I’ve got the answer to give to people, then I’m ready to get back involved. So I’ve taken the time out to do that. And now I’m nearly there. As you say a flurry of interviews which I hope will go on, because I’ve got a lot to say to people. And looking around it certainly needs saying, because there’s too many people out there, good people, who don’t know where they’re going, but no fault of their own it’s a matter of experience mainly. And other people are so tied up with the excitement of getting on and doing something, that they’re not doing the right thing.

 

[05:29]

 

Simon: Okay okay. So I mean, part of a part of our role here if you don’t mind, I’ll play devil’s advocate a little bit.

 

Nick Griffin: Splendid!

 

Simon: Obviously I’ve kind of listened to the interviews and listen to what you’ve been saying. I think particularly interesting was the audio that you released of the chapter to your book. And, you know, inevitably you being you, this is caused a lot of people to comment on it. So if you don’t mind, let me give my overview of what I think you’re saying. And then we can have a conversation based on that. And you can tell me if you think I’m right, or not.

 

To me it appears that what you’re saying is, firstly, it’s too late for any electoral solutions who are diminishing demographics to be viable. And secondly, that nationalists would be easily beaten by a combination of the liberal elites, forces of law and order, their leftist street militia, and the hoards of migrant orcs, if there were to be some kind of violent confrontation, some kind of ethnic civil war.

 

So the only option as far as you’re concerned, is preparing for our survival., you know what sounds to me a little bit like a post-apocalyptic world, really. And I’ve heard you talk a number of times about it’s a “three generation solution”. So is that a fair representation of what you’ve been saying? And if not, how do you think you could express it better?

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah. Thank you, Simon. That’s a very fair and accurate assessment what I’m saying. To use a simile, when I was leading the British National Party, effectively we and other nationalists in other parts of Europe similarly were calling out the passengers on the Titanic:

 

“Look the ship is heading towards an iceberg! It’s gonna strike, then you’re gonna to drown! And let us onto the bridge, and we’ll turn the ship around before it happens.”

 

We’re now in the position because of demographic reasons primarily, where the ship has hit the iceberg! The ship of Western civilization is going to sink!

 

So what I’m saying is there’s no point now fighting to get onto the bridge, when one, the powers to stop us even getting onto the bridge are now, so sophisticated — they worked out dealing with people like the BNP when we were the real threat — they’ve worked out how to deal with the threat. So they keep us off the bridge anyway! But even got in control of the bridge, it’s no use, because the ship is sinking! So we need to be not worrying about saving everybody. It cannot be done.

 

What we need to be worrying is about saving those who are awake enough to be saved, who want to be saved, and building the nucleus in every sense, a nucleus in genetic terms, in DNA terms, in cultural terms, the nucleus of our people who will survive what is now inevitable. Because at the other end of that collapse — and people say this is black pilling. And it’s not black peeling at all. A black pilling implies there’s no hope.

 

What I really say is that while liberalism was in effect unchallengeable, there was no hope, liberalism is now finished! The ship is going down and liberalism will be utterly finished and discredited! The minute liberalism is gone, then our people have hope. But for mainly demographic reasons there won’t be, it’ll take three generations before there’s enough of our people to take back our lands.

 

Horus: Why would it be possible for us to take back our lands later? Is that, because we would have put together a sort of certain hard core, presumably quite a small hard core, that will be so well organized and clear about it’s mission, and so on. Is that what you mean?

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah. It’s partly that, yeah, absolutely! But also it is purely about demographics. And I’ve spent all the time in Spain and I’ve studied the Reconquista in Spain. I know Simon you may have a position on this.

 

But time after time, in the villages and towns of central and southern Spain, if look into the history, you find a piece saying that in 14 whatever, or whatever the date was, some Duke of such and such, asked for people to come to from Galicia, like that up in the north to resettle the place.

 

[10:03]

 

And I came to the conclusion that the reason the Reconquista took seven hundred years, wasn’t really about the military side of things, it’s that’s how long it took in the days when large numbers of children died before they became adults, especially. That’s how long it took to breed enough young farmers and their wives, not only to wield swords, but also once they’d taken back the land, to use plows and to use it and to hold it. So the reason it’s a three generation struggle, is that the demographics of the Western populations, …

 

Once the boomer generation is gone and then the generation now only having one child per woman of childbearing age, once they die out having half their numbers, we’re going to be talking about a few million Brits! A couple of million Hungarians! Say 10 million German! There’s 10 million French. That’s all it’s going to be! And this isn’t me inventing something, or speculating, this is just hard demographic fact! That’s where we are going to be in 30, 40 years time.

 

So the only way to retake these lands is the combination is of — as you’re saying — a hard core who really know what’s to be done and are prepared to fight. And once liberalism has gone our people will fight, and no one will better us. And even with that, it’s still gonna take three generations of very rapid breeding to have enough young men and enough young women to take back the land and hold it.

 

Simon: I think we need to roll this back a little bit really. I mean, I would respond to that is, the Reconquista began from Asturias in 722 and from after the Battle of Poitier’s 732 [also called The Battle of Tours]. And certainly my knowledge, I’ve got a very, very deep knowledge of what happened in Catalonia. And it is true that the Muslims went up through Catalonia which is like a passageway into the rest of Europe, into what is now France. And the survivors basically hid up in the Pyrenees.

 

I’ve done this journey many times, it’s quite an emotional journey traveling down from the tiny little churches in the eighth, ninth, century churches in the Pyrenees. Like in [word unclear] which have got a beautiful little Romanesque churches. Then you move into central Catalonia, with slightly bigger churches. And then you get right close to the Valencian border and you’ve got magnificent monasteries! So you can see how the culture gained in confidence as they took more land back. But that was the seventh, and eighth century. This is the 21st century, and I’m not certain how many parallels we can draw from that.

 

Nick Griffin: I think you can draw a great deal, because history does go in circles. Obviously the technology, and so on, changes. But, if you look through all of European history, especially the more that’s known about, you know how DNA can be studied, and so on. So we see that the great moments of what, they weren’t sure, was a cultural change, or demographic change, say in the Bronze Age? And they now have concluded about Spain, that’s on the male side the pre-Bronze Age inhabitants of Spain just don’t exist, in modern genetics. The male’s are all Bronze Age males, and the females are the ones who go back to Neolithic times. So you have complete population change by men coming in slaughtering other men and taking their women. Brutal, but that’s the way change works!

 

And so I think that the example of what happens in the Reconquista, if Europeans are going to get back their lands, that is how it will be! It will take a long time, it’s combination of the sword and the cradle. And anyone who says there’s some easy way to do it, is simply either a fool will they’re deliberately lying! Because there is no easy way. But the minute liberalism is gone, the end result are pitting a population with average IQ of 100 against populations with an average IQ of 85, the result is not in question!

 

In the end we will take back every last piece of Europe! But it’ll be a damn sight easier if people stop wasting their time on fighting last century’s wars, and get on and think about what our people would need to win the wars that later on this century.

 

And I’m certainly not talking about guns, I’m talking mainly it’s a matter of spirit. It’s a matter of what’s going on in people’s heads, and their hearts. And are people prepared to stop thinking, … The greatest weakness of all of the Western European man is everybody thinks about “me”. Everybody thinks “I”. And we have to start getting into our people’s heads that “I” and “me” have to go! It has to be about “we” and “us”!

 

[15:12]

 

Simon: Okay, I definitely agree with that, but okay, let’s death let’s definitely roll it back, because this is based on a number of, well what we’re talking about now is based on quite a few suppositions. And the first one being that there is no electoral route. And I would challenge that! I know you’ve said that people are either conmen, or stupid. I don’t think I’m either. But I definitely think there’s there’s a possibility.

 

I’ve shared my, … I haven’t got it available now, but with Ralph Masilamani, we’ve done a couple of streams recently. And we’ve been looking at the electoral possibilities very seriously. And I’ve got a graphic that I’ll put up when I’ll stop talking, that shows that the top that, the first ten constituencies in Britain with the lowest majorities, are all majorities under a thousand. So they’re all kind of winnable. In order to turn things around you don’t necessarily have to win an election. You have to have political presence in Parliament. And once you’ve gained some political power then there’s the chance of holding the larger party’s feet to the fire.

 

So I mean, this is my opinion, I think it’s unwise to give up on the electoral route. The election route is obviously very, very, very difficult. And to a certain extent one of the problems — again one of the things we talk a lot but a lot about with Ralph — is what he calls the “Cathedral”. I’ll just call it the “system”. But the system to a certain extent has been gamed. What was once a homogeneous society, there are various out groups some of (((them))) from a country on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean — I think we know where who we’re talking about — but various other groups such as Muslims and blacks who have political presence.

 

And in many respects I agree with you, that we need to start thinking about “we”. But we need to racinate ourselves and start treating ourselves as an in-group, and fighting politically. Certainly initially as an in-group in order to win some win back some political power.

 

Nick Griffin: I understand everything there. I can understand why you and many other people genuinely think it. I would say — and bear in mind that I led the most successful electoral nationalist political party in the history of the entire English-speaking world, that’s a simple fact — so and, in fact, if you look at even many of the more successful apparently more successful European parties they have the huge advantage of having proportional representational systems. And if they have the same system as then, it’s not likely even the people at the Front National would have done any better than the BNP.

 

So honestly, I do know what I’m talking about. And I would say that the prospect of building a hardcore nationalist party capable of relaunching that challenge, it could not be done in less than 10 years! And the demographics are constantly against us! Worst of all, in dealing with the BNP, the British establishment came finally to understand — they called us all sort of names, Nazi, fascist — none other had any effect, if anything it actually turned desperate people towards us, because they realized that we were different to the hated politicians.

 

What stopped us was the safety valve. The UKIP trick! And you’ve seen this, you know, I speak to my colleagues in parties like the NPD in Germany, in [word unclear] over in Italy. And any time that real nationalists start to make enough progress to scare the system, the elites, whatever you want to call them, then they run out a safety valve, like Alternative for Deutschland, or [word unclear] Nord or whatever. If they don’t roll this out, they exploit it. And they boost it up as a real problem. So what you would end up, …

 

Yes, I agree that the same kind of electoral process that produced Brexit, might produce some kind of soft populist party getting somewhere near power. In which point all the other parties then gang up and impose their cordon sanitaire to stop them getting into power. If they even managed, if they appear to being able to overcome that, then like the Vlaams block in Flanders they simply banned as a threat to democracy!

 

[19:57]

 

Again I’m not being hypothetical, or scaremongering, that is what they have done. Now if the Western politicians, the Liberals, in the rest of Europe turned round and said to Belgium:

 

“You can’t do that! You can’t ban the most popular party in Belgium, just you don’t like them?”

 

Then you could think that they’d be hope for them behaving decently elsewhere in Europe. But without exception they all agreed that the liberal Belgian state was right to ban a nationalist party, because otherwise it might come to power and threaten democracy! So that is what they would do.

 

So at most you’ll end up with a populist party somewhere near power. And a populist parties an idea of dealing with the problem is to ban the burka, or to stop immigration. No matter whether you ban the burqa, or stop immigration. Their demographics, the expansion of their population, at the same time as ours is declining, has already sorted what’s going to happen in Europe in the next thirty years! We are going to be the minority! We’re going to be the biggest minority in our own country, but we are going to be the minority!

 

The other thing just to finish off on why it was go anywhere, is that if everybody in the country, or majority people in the country had attitudes like us three and the people listening to this show, yes, of course, we could do it. But you would have to say at some point to the public, in our case Britain, that when we send them all back. And if we don’t seem virtually all of them back, then we’re going to become a minority in their own country.

 

Then we’re going to be so short on young workers that it is actually true, that you’re going to work until the 80! Before you get your pension. And you’re going to have to pay massive confiscatory taxes, unless you have at least three children. Doesn’t matter whether you’re gay, straight, why ever you haven’t got children, if you haven’t got children you’re gonna have to pay massive taxes until your dying day!

 

Because to get our birth rate up from one, which is where we are now, realistically. A woman of childbearing age, to get that up to three, we are going to have to spend vast amounts of money on people so they can have children! Because there’s now, so few women of childbearing age and below, that unless we pay each vast amounts of money, and give them vast amounts of help and status, it’s not going to happen! So, and on top of this, when people say and I’ve had lots of youngsters especially say to me:

 

“Well we’ll have to come to power and we’ll have to simply say to them you’re going! We will issue a decree, like Edward the first did. We will send them all home!”

 

I’m sorry! It’s not going to happen! This is their home, unfortunately. They don’t want to go home! Why would they want to go back home to Pakistan, or Somalia, when that they can live perfectly nicely in Britain? They would fight! And I see no sign, whatsoever that the British of my generation, your generation, or the young generation now, have got what it takes to win, let alone survive an ethnic civil war in which hundreds of thousands of people die horrible deaths! It’s a fantasy! It’s a nonsensical fantasy! It is not going to happen!

 

Therefore we are going to become a minority in our own country! So anything which encourages people to expend their energy on the idea of a nice soft solution, and thereby stops people from putting their energy into building communities, into helping families rear their kids the right way, so they become part of the solution, rather than part of the problem. Anything which takes away from the things we can do in pursuit of a fantasy of what we’d like to do, is a desperate danger to the survival of our people!

 

[23:35]

 

Simon: Okay. And, you know, in order to prepare for this one of the things that I listened to was Jonathan Bowden’s “Vanguardism” speech which is a hope for the future. And one of the interesting things he says and the nice thing is, is the example he gives is the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks meeting in a pub in London — this saves me having to talk about the people that joined the party of a certain Austrian painter, only being 7% of the German population — but  the example he gives is that small groups of “Vanguards” are the people that actually change history. Nobody would have predicted in 1900 that 20 years later, or 17 years later, the Bolshevik Revolution would have been successful in Russia. So there’s a degree of Vanguardism.

 

And I don’t disagree with you on, or I completely agree on the idea of building community. And to a certain extent what we’re talking about is the reason why both Horus and I are loosely involved, or supporters of Patriotic Alternative. And both of us  think this is the best option we’ve got. What we’re trying to do is at the same time as build community and solidarity, investigate political possibilities. At the moment the party isn’t a feasible electoral option, but that’s not counted out for the future. And something else that I would say is that the, and with all due respect, obviously the BNP is the most successful nationalist party.

 

Nick Griffin: Was, was!

 

Simon: Okay “was” the most successful nationalist party, certainly in my life. I was going to say “is in my lifetime“.

 

But the whole culture has changed. I heard you talking about the need for kind of working-class boot boys, and that was the one of the reasons why the BNP and the National Front before it had such a bad image. Yeah that’s possibly true. But certainly I think there’s a cultural change that’s taking place. And this is not, I come from a working class myself. I’m educated out of it to a certain extent as a result of university. But I identify as working-class. So I’m certainly not doing down other members of my class. I feel very proud to know that’s where I’m from.

 

But as a slightly more educated, slightly more elitist, and in lots of nationalist politics people often talk about the need for an “elite“, an “officer class” as it were. And I’m not certainly not saying that National Front, people like yourself and Martin Tyndale, weren’t officer class. But I think the popularity, that the dam has burst, in terms of the social acceptability of what has now become, turned from the Alt-Right to the dissident Right. And it’s actually quite “cool” to be dissident Right in a way that once again, with all due respect, I don’t think it was ever “cool” in inverted commas, to be National Front, or BNP.

 

[27:13]

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah, I understand where you’re coming from. It was very [sound cut out for 10 seconds]  but not, primarily Mark Collett has radicalized a huge number of young, middle class, lads. Some of them taken from the Tommy sort of movement, who were on a rather like you, an intellectual voyage of discovery of their own. But also a lot of youngsters who wouldn’t have touched Tommy, because he was a working-class oink. And that’s a kind of English snobbery, which by the way, I detest. But it’s realistic. It’s there.

 

So they have been radicalized and I would accept your concept that here we have a potential officer class, but for one problem. They’re virtually all hiding behind pseudonyms! And I, at present, don’t see any sign, and I know mark’s actually trying, fair play, to say we’ve got to get away from being behind our computers, and out into the real world! You have to be in the real world under your own name!

 

Now I think perhaps there’s a hope here of external circumstances coming into our advantage. Because the economic depression that is going to be caused by the government’s clearly deliberately catastrophic mishandling at the coronavirus problem. I hope it is going to be such that these young men are going to realize they didn’t want to go to university anyway! There was no need them going to university, anyway! And getting a huge debt and a worthless degree.

 

And I hope very much that this is going to, by extinguishing basically the middle class, because they’re going to be squeezed between people that receive benefits, courtesy of the state, and the fraction of a 1%, who have really all the wealth.

 

So I think that the squeeze on the middle class that’s coming may indeed leave some middle class youngsters to realize:

 

“I’ve got nothing to lose! I may as well get out there on the my own name and do things that I want to do, rather than getting on the bourgeois hamster wheel for my entire life!”

 

And the minute they’re on the hamster wheel with a debt, then you’ll see their radicalism without their name to it simply vanish. Which I don’t want to see.

 

But that’s the problem with the officer class. I’ll believe these people are officer class if they all stand up and give their real name, and abandon the pretense you can be a radical nationalist to be “cool”, and at the same time have a career within the system. You cannot! You have to make a choice!

 

You have a career, and lots of money, and your wife has to work as well, because you can’t afford a house in London. You can have a career, all that, and no children, or you can get out of this system and have lots of kids and be part of a “revolutionary vanguard”. I hope lots of new young lads do make the right choice.

 

[30:03]

 

Simon: Well they’re lovely Alison’s Chabloz who’s in the chat has said:

 

“Lots of us are using our real names. I would include myself in that. Can the gentlemen in this stream who is hiding behind a pseudonym.“

 

Horus. What have you got to say about that mate?

 

Horus: What, about being under a pseudonym myself?

 

Simon: Well, no. I mean, more generally. I’m using that as a link to bring you into the conversation.

 

Horus: Oh, thanks! Well what I want to talk about the political solution, … Nick if I’m correct you’re saying it is we should abandon a political solution altogether? I mean, are you saying, because Patriotic Alternative, quite explicitly says:

 

“We may become a minority against all our efforts. It still may well happen.”

 

We’re still certainly on course for that at the moment. But their intention is to build as much community and solidarity with each other as possible, for collectivizing, you know, in a good way. And also doing as much as we can in politics knowing that we may fail. And are you saying that the political side of that is a waste of resources, a waste of scarce resources?

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah absolutely! Because it’s not a question if we “may fail“, we “may not” become a minority. We are going to become a minority! That’s it! The demographics are already there!

 

People don’t see it, because, say a man at 50, so 10 years younger than me and a man at 50 looks hale, and a woman of 50, they look hale and hearty. They are vigorous parts of the community, but, they cannot have any more children! End of! In demographic terms they are waiting to shuffle off their mortal coil. And that is where huge majority of the population of the entire West, now is!

 

And the number, if you look at the number of young women of childbearing age and younger. And the ones of childbearing age now are having even fewer children than the last generation did. So that’s not going to change, especially in a recession, stroke depression, birth rates go down!

 

So, for the next 10 years our birth rate is going to be even lower and it has been up until now. And the birth rate for them, the “others“, and because capitalism needs mouths — it  doesn’t need workers so much now because robots can do the work — capitalism needs consumers! People to recirculate the taxes. So all the pressure on the elites is — even if they didn’t want to get rid of us — they’re pushed to getting rid of us, because the only place they can find young people, who are the ideal consumers in a society, is to bring them in from abroad! So immigration is not going to stop.

 

Anyone trying to stop immigration is going to get squished, because if you stop immigration, the capitalist system is screwed! So yeah, I am saying that the political, or political path is completely shut! It’s not a question of when, if we become a minority, we’re going to be!

 

So if Patriotic Alternative accepts that and says:

 

“Right! We’re going to be a political party like the Socialist Workers Party.”

 

A political party, not an electoral party. People snigger at the Socialist Workers Party. But probably the majority of teachers in this country right now, have when they were at University went through, or flirted with, the Socialist Workers Party.

 

After 30, 40 years, they’ve told their people, so many of them, “go and become teachers“. And although once they become teachers on a screw, they then you lose their enthusiasm for sharing their wages with the workers, they still take with them the cultural Marxism that’s been inculcated through the universities and then honed  by the SWP. And they are hugely effective force for a pernicious revolution in this country.

 

And they did once try. It’s very important this, actually. In the late 70s, the law in Britain meant that — the electoral law in Britain — meant that you couldn’t put out a single leaflet during an election unless you were standing.

 

And the Socialist Workers Party said to their members, … now I’m sure, you know, they’ve always said there is no parliamentary road to socialism. So they said:

 

“We know we’ve always said there’s no parliamentary road, but we’re gonna have to stand in these elections, because we’ve got to put out literature to stop the fascists! (this was the National Front) It’s the only way we can do it. So we’re not standing for the votes, we’re just standing as a tactic so we can oppose the fascist more effectively.”

 

Even when they told their highly political, highly intelligent, highly educated, members that, when they got such disastrous risible votes up against the National Front, it did them so much damage in terms of there morale that they had to stop!

 

[34:49]

 

And the key problem with fighting elections when everything is stacked against you, because you’re not just up against the ideology of the other parties — I used to think that — you’re not, especially at the local council level which is where you can, we used to win seats. Like Mark Collett got 25%, or so in one Leeds seat, not a particularly good one. We used to take council seats, but when you go for council seat you’re not just up against ideology, you are depriving mainly Labour Party, or Liberal politicians, of them living! You’re on their economic turf! You’re taking away their wage and you’re taking away the backhander cash that they get from corrupt deals with developers on the council. And those people will fight you tooth and nail!

 

As a result even if you occasionally managed to win a seat you’re then in the position, … we are a political guerrilla army. Guerrilla armies do not hold fixed positions. Once you win a seat it’s a fixed position. You have to defend it and they’ve got five years to throw vast amounts of money, and the trade unions, and the NGOs, and all the rest of it, are taking the seat off you. So you lose the seat and your morale goes to rock bottom.

 

And it’s the key problem with the attempt of playing the electoral road for a party like Patriotic Alternative, is that you get sucked into that system and you get utterly demoralized by trying to fight a fight which you can never win and hold.

 

And so it’s far, far, better I believe to do what Mark’s already partly got by saying:

 

“We have to build community, we have to build solidarity.”

 

Just do that! And completely stay away from the electoral road! If he does that, he’ll have — he may not want it — he’ll have my full support.

 

Horus: One thing that does stand out in the con that says:

 

“Do pursue the electoral road.”

 

For me, is that UKIP admittedly they had an easier task than PA, they had some actual wealthy backers, and so on. but they, you know, and I agree exactly with what you said about they were used to diffuse genuine nationalism, and so on, and Farage made that explicit,  more than once. But, they only ever got two seats and they were thanks to defections. But their pressure nearly split the Tory party,  well it caused grave problems for the Tory leadership, right? And that is what led to the EU referendum.

 

What is to say that we can’t do that in fairly, you know, I don’t know in what timescale. But let’s do that to maybe get a referendum on demographics, or something like that. Do you not see any possibilities there?

 

Nick Griffin: No. UKIP,  Ferrage is a brilliant and a very lucky politician. Very lucky, because if you think when in the 2011 general election, so this is two years after myself and Andrew Brons were elected as MEPs* under a PR [Proportional Representation] system, which, of course, is now abolished for Britain. which is the thing that really made UKIP. You know, they were getting people elected as MEP from 1999 onwards. There’s no possibility of that now, and we have to win first past the post. If you haven’t had the European thing, and the European Parliament system, UKIP would never have gotten off the ground.

[* Brons was elected as a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) for Yorkshire and the Humber for the British National Party (BNP) at the 2009 European Parliament election. He was the Chairman of the National Front in the early 1980s.]

 

Having gone off the ground they were used a bit by the establishment to block the BNP. it was on an amazing scale!

 

In 2011, Farage and I, as far as the BBC rules for Question Time were concerned, were the same. So 2009 onwards. We should have had two appearances a year and one extra appearance a year if something came up which was our issue. So in the case of [words unclear] of the BNP, say the grooming issue came up, I should have been on. If something came up about the EU, Farage should have been on. Instead of that, I was on once as part of — as you know —  a victim of a lynch mob! Farage was on 22 times! The BBC arch multi racialist — as you know — arch pro-Europeans, put Farage even on things like “Have I Got News for You“.* They promoted him obscenely in order to stop the BNP!

[* BBC programme since 1990— Celebrity contestants find themselves in the hot seat as they are quizzed on the latest news.]

 

So the reason you got Brexit in the end was that the core part of the liberal establishment, the BBC, was so terrified of the BNP getting a couple more seats in Europe — which actual would have made not a blind bit of difference — they were so scared of that, they promoted Farage and hence you UKIP, beyond anything it was a remotely reasonable, let alone decent. And thereby they got Brexit!

 

So it was so exceptional. but to say:

 

“Well just perhaps somehow, something like that will happen.”

 

In this case,  it’s no! It simply is not realistic. It is an utterly false hope!

 

And I come back again, … just sorry just one more thing to come back. That it would be at least 10 years before any new party was remotely in a position to exercise that kind of challenge. Then bear in mind there’s two new parties out there.  There’s the Civic Nationalist party, Anne Marie Waters,  that nonsense! And there’s Patriotic Alternative doing and saying really pretty good things.

 

But when push came to shove, the BBC would promote Anne Marie Waters, rather than Mark Collett, as a way of blocking him. And that alone would stop it.

 

[40:01]

 

And plus ten years time, you wait and see what proportion of young people, … you look in any primary school playground almost anywhere in England, you look at the population of them and portion of them and us. In 10-15 years time that proportion will be the case on the streets. And anyone who thinks they can push forward some kind of radical political change, when the streets of every major city and almost every town in Britain are controlled by radicalized young Muslims, I’m afraid it’s a pipe dream! It simply will not happen!

 

And if you want to understand what people should be doing, then, rather than looking at what happened between the BNP and UKIP 15 years ago, or whatever, you need to look at Northern Ireland. And look at how when the Republicans, the Catholics were the minority they used things like the Gaelic Athletic Association to build the cohesion and the strength of their community, both in terms of getting their own people better educations, but also controlling the streets in their areas.

 

And you now look at what the Loyalists are doing, now they’re the minority, with the Loyalist bands. And that Loyalist is now a minority in Northern Ireland, but every Saturday in the summer they put a hundred thousand young men out on the streets marching in military formation, quite legally, because they’re playing flutes.

 

But I’ll tell you what, those people control those streets. And whatever the British government, or the Irish government, or Sinn Fein* wants to do them they do with them, those people are not going away! They may be in the minority, but they will retain cohesion and control of their areas.

 

[* Sinn Féin is a centre-left to left-wing Irish republican political party active in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.]

 

And there’s nothing that is done in Northern Ireland that could not be done in Britain, if people weren’t wasting their time fantasizing about an electoral victory which will never happen!

 

[41:51]

 

Simon: I’ll agree with you there to a certain extent, particularly from my experience in Catalonia, however cucked the Catalan Independence movement is now. Under Franco — the Catalans actually have a verb for it, they call it “Associationism” — and under Franco they could dance, they could play folk music, they could have barbecued onion eating festivals, lots of the weird things Catalonia do. And these are all covert ways of meeting and being Catalans, and building a community, and under what was an oppressive regime for them.

 

I want to bring up other points. There’s White is the New Green in the chat, says:

 

“Build communities. Stand in parish elections. Many of which have less candidates than seats available, so the votes aren’t even counted.”

 

And here we’ve got Steve Ben Bob on the superchats. He sends in four US dollars. And he says:

 

“Has Nick seen Ralph’s Right Reaction videos on the ‘Cathedral’?”

 

I’m gonna allude to the “Cathedral” further on in the conversation. In these he gives a possibly winning strategy of us gaining some sort of power. Now I can review some of those.

 

Nick Griffin: If you could paraphrase what that is, I’d be interested.

 

Simon: Well, part of it is what Ralph is doing is he’s working out all the seats — there’s 650 seats in Great Britain, in Northern Ireland. And obviously, you know, the East End of London which is all Muslim, or parts of Birmingham are of no interest to fighting. So what he’s trying to do is target particular areas where campaigning, … firstly community building, and secondly political campaigning would be worth a new nationalist parties while.

 

Now I would also add to that, that there’s been a sea change in the last election. And between now and the next election is a crucial point in time. I wouldn’t put it off 10, 20 years. I think that we should be considering the next election, because the loss of the “Red Wall”. Labour’s red wall to the Conservatives in the last election is a very significant political move, particularly in England. Because these people in the north of England realize that the party are traitors to the White working-class and are much more interested in minorities, Muslims, and the whole LGBT thing. It bears no relation to them. And they voted Tory, but they’re not loyal to Tories. They’re still working class in ethos. And this provides an opening for any nationalist party that comes along. Which I don’t think the BNP had in its day. I don’t know what you think about that?

 

[45:06]

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah, well we certainly have the opening that there is potentially now. That’s entirely true. But we had a hard core of people who were very well trained in electioneering, and who were based in those communities as local adults. And who were prepared to stand up in their own area, with a long history of doing so. And that doesn’t exist at present.

 

There is no possibility, especially with middle-class kids from London, of suddenly going to the people and building that sort of base! And if you attempted to, one, people follow people rather like themselves, just slightly higher up the social scale, and from their own area. And you can’t bring in “outsiders” in this way.

 

And if there are some decent young lads in places like Batley* and Halifax, and so on, fairplay. But they will come up again to what I said earlier. They’ll come up against the Labour Party, deeply entrenched, with heavies! And they’ll pay money to get rid of any threat, because it’s not, as I said before, it’s not just a threat to their ideology, to their politics, it’s a threat to their business base.

 

[* Batley is a market town in the Metropolitan Borough of Kirklees, West Yorkshire, England]

 

And you have no, … I don’t think people haven’t been there, you have no conception of how hard those people will fight! And how effective their fighting is! And if Boris and Co let down the working class, which, of course, they will, then rather than turning to the nationalists, they will give Keir Starmer and the “New Labour” Party a second chance. Because, “Oh Corbyn“, … and I’m sure that people like Allison Chabloz and yourself, you understand the way in which Corbyn was crucified, not for his economic views, but overwhelmingly, because of his position on the zionist, Israeli, etc., etc., thing.

 

So in the next election if the White working-class want to the revolt against Boris and Co they will do so overwhelmingly by going back to the Labour Party! And the Labour Party will put a little bit of their craziest LGBT+ poison under wraps. And that’s it! That’s another five years wasted. And it’s the cycle that’s going around, and again, and again, and again!

 

I’d like to raise one thing. You said, your commentator there on the chat;

 

“Why does the New Green take out parish councils?”

 

Absolutely! And the key thing on parish councils, and the reason that the BNP has lost every single one of the counselors it used to have, in terms of districts and above. The ones where people get paid a salary, so it’s a business if you’re in the Labor Party, or the Lib Dems. They lost all of those. But they control an entire town council, wrecked as the BNP is, it still controls, or it’s taken control of an entire town council, Parish Council in effect, in Essex. Because where there’s no money in it, the other parties aren’t interested. And that is the point at which you can indeed do local community building, if you get in at that level. So that’s entirely a different matter because it is not really electioneering at all.

 

But I would still, if you want to do something to sink roots in a local area, you can in an election, in a general election, the one you’re talking about Simon, five years time. You’d need to spend at least five thousand pounds in that constituency to really start to have any kind of impact at all. So you can do that and get seven percent of the vote if you’re very lucky! More likely 1.7 percent, but that’s by the by. And unless you get more votes than anybody else, plus one, you certainly are not going to win. There’s no prizes for coming second in British parliamentary elections.

 

Instead of that you could put that five thousand pounds, and hundreds, and hundreds, of man-hours — thousands of man-hours if you’re doing a proper job — you could put that into setting up a local charity shop where people who are locally minded and patriotic, the Brexiters, and the ones who don’t like the groomers and all the rest of it. They can understand what the shops doing, it’s only helping local people. And you could set that shop up, you could fund it. put volunteers in it, you could make it work.

 

Again, this isn’t something just off the top of my head. I was in just such a shop in a small Loyalist town in Northern Ireland a few weeks ago. Where in the high street, … Of course, the high street’s been knackered by all the big supermarket chains, and so on. So most of the shops that aren’t estate agents are charity shops. And there’s one for Oxfam, and there’s one for the British Heart Foundation, and there’s one for some mission in Africa. And there’s one just for the locals.

 

And there’s a couple of old ladies there manning the shop and people bring their goods in and they buy and sell, like all the other charity shops. At the back of the charity shop there’s a gym! And that’s where all the youngsters go to get them off the streets, so the old ones were a bit nervous about youngsters on the streets, they’re happy, and the parents are happy, and the young lads are happy. And they’re in their boxing, and doing arts classes. And that was set up with far less money then would be thrown at trying to contest a parliamentary seat in that constituency, and losing!

 

[50:17]

 

Simon: But is it necessarily an either/or? Can’t you do these two things parallel? And secondly, if you’re talking about Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland hasn’t been quite as enriched as large parts of Britain have. So charity shops and community activities in anywhere within a reasonably large racial, or minority community, “minority” in inverted commas community would come under attack from the minorities and from the Left. And the Left, I imagine the Left would actually travel even if it was outside an urban area, would actually travel to cause trouble in that kind of, …

 

Nick Griffin: They probably would.

 

Simon: And I wouldn’t say it’s a bad idea, but what I’m saying is that we have to keep lots of options open. And the policies have to go in parallel. Because the big problem with the current liberal system, I personally don’t think the liberal system is going to collapse. What the liberal system is going to do, capitalism isn’t finished. The results of coronavirus are going to be a change in paradigm, and we’re going to move away from paper money, and it’s blockchain and crypto currency.

 

But, they will keep, the powers that be, will keep the cattle spending and living their miserable, soap-opera, materialistic lives, And, you know, they’re not going to bring about the disaster, because their well-being depends on everybody being consumers. But the big problem with the system that we live in is its completely counter to science. And more and more people are waking up to this transgender lunacy.

 

There are two things that the current liberal, social justice, ideology counters and one is racial reality, and sexual reality. We are different races. Everybody knows this! This is a difficult subject to broach. But if you live amongst people of other races, you know, this! And we are two different genders!

 

And you brought up earlier the idea of Labour taking back working class votes. Are Labour really, with David Lammy as it’s future foreign minister? I find that difficult to believe. A clean-cut, well presented, polite, educated, vanguard of young men — of which there are plenty — in the, well not plenty yet, of which there are growing numbers within the Patriotic Alternative ambiance, could definitely make an impact. I don’t think you can give up on this option, because giving up on this option is basically saying to young people, … there are fifteen-year-old kids — I actually didn’t go to the conference — but there’s a fifteen-year-old boy called Barkley, who’s in one of the chats, and there’s a another young guy called Harry. These young people need a future, and need to have hope! And it’s very, very difficult for them. I’m a year younger than you Nick. We’ve lived the best of our lives, so we can wax lyrical. But I’ve got a 25 year old daughter. I don’t, I simply don’t want to give up on this!

 

And also looking at the situation in Spain. Politics can change extremely quickly, admittedly in a proportional representation system. But a year ago, Vox — whatever you think about them, however  much (((kosherness))) they’ve got within them — went from nothing, to now 52 seats in the Spanish Congress! Things can turn around very, very quickly! And of those 52 seats — obviously every party is a complicated thing — but I think there are based and very true nationalists amongst the Vox ranks. Obviously not all of them, because this is politics. I don’t see why this can’t happen in Britain and many other European countries as well.

 

[54:43]

 

Nick Griffin: Well, in Britain, there’s a number of points you’ve raised there. I made a few notes, and I’ll try to get through them quickly.

 

As you say, in Spain there’s a PR system, in Britain there’s not. And that makes a huge difference to what can be done! You say that the Liberal system isn’t going to collapse I quite agree. I didn’t say the “liberal system” is going to collapse, I said “liberalism” is going to collapse. That soft, pappy, surrender mentality. That’s going to collapse, and that sort of splits two ways. The people running the liberal system, again will abandon all pretense of liberalism, and will become an openly naked totalitarian liberalism,  without a shadow of doubt.

 

And I’m saying that after the shit really has hit the fan, then the liberalism within our people is also is simply going to evaporate! That’s not saying the liberal system he’s going to collapse. There’ll be a vacuum. There won’t be a vacuum there’s a totalitarian regime and there’s a people who hate what’s going on.

 

Now you say that, if for instance, there was a charity shop, the Left, or the immigrants would attack it. Well if it had BNP over the door, or Patriotic Alternative, over the door, which it’s highly likely they would. There’s a bit of a “so what” about that, but I’m not saying that most of these things should be done under the name of any organisation. And, in fact, if I say that some people don’t want to come out under their own names as backing a political party, I think everyone accepts that is unfortunately the case. Then, if you have a much more diffused, broad-based, resistance, where there’s a thousand and one different things going on, then many people can do those different things in that own area, under their own name. And there is no need to connect it to a political party.

 

But if you are worried about the Left coming and attacking shops, or attacking something, then you have to accept that they won’t just attack shops. If a political party raises up and starts contesting elections, they will also come out on the streets and beat the crap out of their activists! That’s what happens. And the police will turn a blind eye, unless the nationalist organize to defend themselves, let alone carry some kind of makeshift weapon. In which case, they’re going down! They’re going to prison for a very long time! Because the state, the police, and the far left work together in all these things.

 

So yes, whatever we do, whatever these young men do, if it’s anything effective, the left is going to attack them! You can’t get away from that!

 

I think the key difference is if the Left come and attack a political party, a political meeting of political activists, or activists on the street, they’re not attacking the local people. They’re attacking — what the public seen is one bunch of political people attacking another bunch of political people. And either the Right, the nationalists get the crap beaten out of them, or they fight back, and then they become thugs! So really, that’s a lose-lose situation.

 

But if there’s a shop, some kind of charity operation, something providing amenities for local White working-class youngsters, and the Left come and attack that, then they’re not just attacking the people running that operation, they are attacking the whole community. At which point, I guarantee with any White working-class community in Britain it’s the Left that get the shit kicked out of them! Not by activists, but just by ordinary people. And I would regard that as a far, far, better thing.

 

And I’ve come back again. The problem you asked, is it really a matter of either/or? Can’t we do both? I would say the there’s only been one proper “Vanguard” party in British politics in recent history, and that is the Socialist Workers Party. And the experience the Socialist Workers Party was that you cannot build a vanguard party in their kind of community in the universities, and so on, and fight elections at the same time. And that’s even more so for a nationalist party which is under so much more pressure than the SWP ever would [be].

 

You have to make a choice! And you say:

 

“Don’t these young men deserve hope and all the rest of it?”

 

I’d say absolutely! But not false hope! It’s so irresponsible to sell false hope to people! And the electoral road is a false hope!

 

When there’s so many good things, you know, food banks, homeschooling, the Ulster bands, the Gaelic Athletic Association, an indigenous scouts group. You look at, you imagine yourself — okay this isn’t perhaps relevant to these younger ones are these now. But perhaps they’ve got younger brothers, or the slightly older ones, they’ve started to think about having kids and they look at how the young boys in the liberal society are brought up with the LGBT and all the rest of the poison thrust down their throats. So, organizations that used to be really important, that were part of the rites of passage, and the character building, and the education in a broad cultural sense of young White men in countries like Britain, is now, it’s absolute poison!

 

So we have to start to create our alternative structures. So an alternative Scouts for the indigenous. And they would need what to get that going? They’re need some simple uniform, they need some badges, you know, that each of the things that they pass. You know, whether it’s surviving a night out in the wild, or a basic grasp of British history, or air rifle marksmanship, whatever you decide to give them. Then the nationalist party should put some money into producing a ready-made, off-the-shelf, indigenous scout group.

 

[60:12]

 

And it doesn’t really matter how many young people go through that, because the parents who don’t put their young people through things like that, who don’t involve them in the nationalist movement, in its broadest sense, they and their offspring are going to vanish in the next forty years, because they’ll be lost to homosexuality, they’ll be lost to race-mixing, they’ll be lost to hopelessness, drugs, and suicide!

 

It’s only the tiny minority who start to do the right thing for themselves and for their families who will act as a beacon to attract other people who want to survive, to go and to get in with them.

 

And it doesn’t really matter how big that group is, or how small, that is the only group which is going to pass on its, our views, and our culture, and our identity, along through the generations. So, got to get on with that! And if you go in for the electioneering you simply dilute that and give people false hope. It’s a disaster not waiting to happen, it’s happening right now!

 

As I say, if Mark Collett is already quite close. He backtracked after I issued that audio recording of there’s no electoral road, he backtracked quite a lot. And saying:

 

“Yeah, well, we’re not really doing it now, and we’re doing lots of other things as well.”

 

Good! So I’m pushing here. And I’m gonna keep on pushing him to backtrack even further. And the minute he says:

 

“I accept there’s no electoral road and there’s so many other really good things we can be doing.”

 

Then he’ll have my support.

 

If he carries on telling people there is some electoral road, then while I know that many people have perhaps him and yourself Simon, I know you sincerely believe it, but it’s so wrong I will fight it tooth and nail until you see sense!

 

[61:59]

 

Simon: Horus?

 

Horus: I think there is a strong case to be made against the argument that there’s an electoral roads of power. I mean, in my wildest dreams there is such a route. But, and I would like to be Home Secretary! [chuckling] But I do think that, I mean, my own propaganda, if you could call it that, aims to attack what I call the “phony Right“. And I do think that we can have a role in helping to break apart the existing ruling class.

 

And unforeseen possibilities may emerge from that. I suppose this sounds rather wishful, you know, I’m hoping that fortune will deliver us opportunities. but, on the other hand, I would assume you wouldn’t rule out unforeseen circumstances, giving us opportunities that we can’t see now. What do you think of that?

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah, unforeseen circumstances, Covid 19 is one. A moderately nasty flu virus which for reasons which we haven’t got time to go into now has been promoted by the establishments of virtually the entire Western world, as some kind of catastrophic plague, which must be fought at the cost of almost totally destroying our economy!

 

Now, the impact that is not going to go away. And you talk about unforeseen circumstances, … if you saw in the papers yesterday little mention of the fact that all the church plates of the ancient historic silver of every Church in London has just been moved to the Tower of London for safekeeping, because they fear a massive looting spree! So they’re not thinking like Brixton riots, or the London riots of 2012, they’re thinking of a massive looting spree across the whole of the capital, where churches are looted as a matter of routine. So obviously, I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but I’m saying that even our pathetic elite, and even more pathetic police force, have realized that the destabilizing possibilities of what they’re doing under the guise of fighting a flu virus, are such that it could create absolute mayhem!

 

So yeah, there probably will be at some stage there’ll be more unforeseen circumstances, things happening. But you’ve got to assume that sort of accelerates the problems. And if you’re talking about coming to power, either through elections, or just through physical numbers, then it has to be, because some sort of crisis has really struck and relations between the different ethnic groups have collapsed into real bitter hatreds. And all of a sudden our people are forced onto one side and they’re all standing together. And at that point you’re in a civil war sort of position. And all our people won’t be standing together. Large sections of the left, a huge number of people will stand with them, not with us! And anyone doesn’t believe that needs to look at the way in which even lefty feminists, last year and the year before, was siding with rapists — to stop them being deported back to Afghanistan!

 

[65:07]

 

So the left will stand with them. When push comes to shove and there’s lots of violence, and believe you me that the sections of the immigrant community, sections of those communities, are far more violence than our people are. When they become violent and their numbers really start the show on the streets, and if White people came out on the streets, they’ll mostly be the football alliance type, 55, 60, year old, superannuated football hooligans, beer-bellied, unfit, and basically useless. And they’ll see those up against 20 year-old, fit, hard, young Pakistanis with radical Muslim leadership.

 

When people see what happens, which if it happens, not going to be:

 

“Oh, we’ll kick their asses!”

 

It’s going to be White people getting killed by the hundreds at the very least! When people see that, huge numbers will run and hide to will get away from it, and significant numbers will go and join the Muslims, because people join strength, and they join what they think are going to be the winners.

 

If the trouble really starts, it doesn’t create an opportunity for our people, it creates serious deaths amongst our people, surrender and cowardice!

 

So I hope that doesn’t happen. Because our people, if that happened tomorrow we would lose! As simple as that! And again, I’m afraid anyone who says otherwise is either totally out of touch with the reality of communal violence, or they’re just a braggart.

 

I’ve seen communal violence close up in the Brixton riots. I’ve seen it in Northern Ireland. And I can assure you that the British people are not, except for Ulster, the British people have not got the stomach, the backbone, or the organizational will, or experience, to win communal violence for control of our country even now, let alone in another 10 years time when the demographics are even worse!

 

As I said, there will come a time when once liberalism is beaten out of them, there will come a time when our people will be able to fight and they will win. But that time is not now! So therefore we need to set about doing something for the hearts and minds of a young generation to see them through the time of surrender and cowardice and out through to the other side.

 

[67:19]

 

Horus: The one thought that remains with me then, is let’s assume that we do get reduced to goodness knows, 40, 30, 20, percent of the population — we’ve no idea really how things are going to turn out, but we’re heading in that direction. Do you not expect that the government will become even more tyrannically anti-White and anti-British than it is now, and could actually not pursue a policy of full extermination, but try to crush us into, you know, atoms in every way it can?

 

Nick Griffin: Yes! Absolutely! And again I come back to the question, the analogy, or the contrast between how an attack on a local charity would be received by ordinary people compared to an attack on a political party. And the more pressure your communities under, the more it will be inclined to unite. And, so, yes, we’ll be under immense pressure! But what does that do? You look at the situation in Ireland, where 800 years of at times of literally genocidal violence against the Irish people by the forces of the English elites, whatever you want to call it, by the Brits, as they call it. The more genocidal they got, the more it produced resistance. and that’s what I see, you’re absolutely right!

 

As we become a minority, first of all we’re already abused and treated with contempt and we’re still a majority! As we become a minority the burdens, the tax burdens falling upon the working, constructive people, overwhelmingly still ours, will become unbearable! And at the same time, the violence against them and the violence used against anyone who resists, will become immense.

 

But there again, there’s a difference. As I said, before, because capitalism needs mass immigration now just to survive, anyone who tries to fight that politically is going to be crushed. People who fight it by organizing a club for ten, or twelve year olds, who learn to shoot air rifles, and then go out and shoot grey squirrels on behalf of the red squirrels [Horus sounding amused], the media might laugh about it, and the Left will say:

 

“All this is paramilitary retraining!”

 

That’s not going to be treated as seriously as a political party trying to stop all of this. And it will tend to go underneath the radar, and it’s far, far, more useful to the young people involved in that, than telling them:

 

“You needn’t worry about your future, because some stage in the future, someone will wave a magic electoral wand and everyone’s going to put it right!”

 

[70:01]

 

Horus: Yeah. Do you reject the idea that some people propose, I mean, it’s not even a proposal really. I think it’s really quiet a wild flailing resort. But some people think that there’ll be a sort of a readout established in the most relatively pro-White parts of Eastern Europe. Because I think that that sort of quasi solution sounds completely useless, because Hungary, Poland so and they were only going to allow a few of us to move there before it starts, you know, ruining things for them. Are you aware of this?

 

Nick Griffin: Yes, I’m aware of it. I’m banned from Hungary myself. [slight chuckle] But I’m aware of it. I think that there would only ever be a small minority who would be prepared to leave their homeland, unless they’re absolutely forced to as refugees in just what they stand up in. But I think it has a very important role to play for the whole of Western Europe. And one possible scenario, … There’s are really only two possible scenarios. We either decline into minority status along the bumbling road we’ve been on thus far, in which unless you happen to have your daughter being gang-raped by the usual suspects, then really, it’s not too bad and you can move away from it a little bit. You can sort of muddle through.

 

So, we go through that process until we’re a minority, and then things get worse. Or it happens in a sudden lurch with real communal violence. And if that happens quite significant numbers of people will end up abroad. And at that point, but people say they are running away.

 

Now if they run away and they’re not kept in touch with by some kind of emigre association, the sort of thing which a political party should be putting effort into, rather than trying to fight elections that it cannot possibly win, then at that point an emigre community becomes very valuable.

 

So large numbers of Irish people went to the United States and Shin Fein, IRA, could not run their very effective campaign of a combination of violence and politics, if it hadn’t been for the vast amounts of money coming in from the Irish community in the United States. And if it hadn’t been for the practical support they got there.

 

And whether you’re talking about completely, totally, peaceful approaches — things such as that is just this broadcast — once this is banned in Britain, when at some stage in the future it would be, I’ve no doubt at all, then not everyone has to move to Hungary, or Poland to be able to make broadcasts like this, and to get them back into Britain. So, bases abroad in Eastern Europe I think, it will be a redoubt for the resistance leadership right the way across Western Europe as we become a minority. Even if things remain basically peaceful.

 

And if violence is forced upon us, and there’s some very powerful groups out there not least the zionists and also the Islamist crazies, they want violence as well all over Europe. So they’re quite likely to get it. And if it become as a question of violence, then the idea that you can win a violent struggle, or even carry out a violent struggle in Britain, or France, or Germany, without having safe bases where people recuperate, where they can be trained, where they can learn what to do, and so on, it’s a nonsense. And that will surely only be Eastern Europe.

 

So I think that having some people in East Eastern Europe, whether we carry on along a peaceful road that we all want, or whether we’re forced onto a violent road, doesn’t matter which it is, we one day will be very, very grateful for those emigres in the East. But it’s not enough for everyone to go there, because the struggle for Britain is in Britain! The struggle for France is in France! The struggle for Spain will be in Spain, and so on.

 

[74:02]

 

Simon: Can I come back on? Given that I’m broadcasting from abroad and I’m an émigré! And just let me know when you need need to go, because I kind of expected us to go overtime, really. I think all of us are fully aware of the difficulty of the situation. And I mean, what I think needs to happen, there needs to be a change in the kind of cultural zeitgeist, the cultural identity of White Europeans, be they English, French. Where there’s a small group of us who are aware of who our race is.

 

One of the reasons why I’m not as, I don’t want to use the word negative, or pessimistic, but I think, you know what I mean, is that I’m a relatively recent convert, you know, this.

 

Nick Griffin: Yeah.

 

Simon: And yes, I now form part of what is a “vanguard“. But I lived through the whole of my life as what I’ve come to term a “default liberal“, a “default lefty“.

 

And it was when I saw, … it was actually a very clear moment, and I’ll explain it very quickly. I had been visiting the cathedral in a town in central Catalonia called Manresa. And it was kind of beautiful medieval architecture. And we were deciding whether to go and visit the cave where Ignatius of Loyola founded the Jesuits, or go for a beer. And me and the missus decided to go for a beer. And we took some steps down behind the cathedral, because I know in these Catalan towns, I know where to find a good bar! And instead of finding a good bar, we came across a Muslim ghetto.

 

And for me the contrast — this was summer of 2015 — and for me though the contrast was so, …!  That’s when I woke up! That’s when I realized that the invasion was happening. Now, I think lots and lots of people are going to go through this. And obviously, I’m not in there in Britain, so I can’t perceive, I only perceive secondhand from other PA friends, Patriotic Alternative friends, what’s going on. But I can see this — you talked about Western Europe — I can see this happening in Spain.

 

Spain has an old, very established Right, they’ve talked about, people still talk about the two Spain’s, the Republican Spain and the Nationalist Spain from the Spanish Civil War, the Francoist Spain. This isn’t dead! And the younger generation have been completely cucked, completely brainwashed, very, very quickly! But given that it’s happened so quickly, there’s a resistance that’s never gone away. All they have to do, really, is fully wake up. And not all of them are as clued in on many of the issues as we are, but they definitely are nationalists, and there they will oppose the immigration, and that they will react! I personally don’t see why a similar class of people — as both of you live in Britain — why a similar reaction can’t take place in Great Britain.

 

[77:27]

 

Nick Griffin: Oh I think you’re right. There is potentially a big difference between Spain and perhaps also Italy, and the nations in northwestern Europe. And the key difference is that if you went back even 20 years, perhaps even 10 years, effectively there weren’t any of the others in any significant numbers at all in Spain, or Italy. They haven’t sunk roots there.  Most of Spain’s immigrants are rather badly behaved South America mestizos. That’s not the same as the Africans now coming in, as the Muslims with a hard core Islamist agenda at the very core, not of all of them, at the core of their community — thanks mainly to Saudi money and the treachery of the world’s [words unclear] elites and the (((people))) who opened the gates of Toledo, and the (((people))) who still don’t still open the gates.

 

But Spain is different. They haven’t been there very long, so it makes it, potentially, that if push comes to shove and things start to get nasty, they’ll simply leave.

 

The question of Britain, Germany, places like this, it’s completely different! You are dealing with people who’ve been here, in many cases three generations. They do feel that they belong here, and whether they do, or not, that’s how they feel. And you’re not going to move them. And they’re far better organized and more deep-rooted. And they would fight to keep their communities, and the Brits would run a mile from what they saw as a result.

 

You said Simon you’ve been involved a few years. So I’m not pulling rank here, it’s just a fact. I joined the National Front at the age of 15, in 1974. I have been active basically ever since, constantly reading, studying, thinking, experiencing things. and I know from having seen two political parties very close up, and UKIP as a sort of an interesting outsider, completely, I know what it takes to build a political party that begins to challenge for power. I can tell you that there’s no possibility on this earth at such a party being built in Britain and getting the experience that becomes effective in less than 10 years! By which stage, it’s not in, … the key flaw to the electoral alternative is this.  Let’s come to the very core of it! It’s when the Patriotic Alternative position is that will still be the majority until 2066. We still got time to turn things around.

 

It’s a sort of, I use the term in my monologue on this Democratic fetishism. It’s saying that one vote is the same as any other vote when it comes to determining the future of a nation. And it might be true in votes. But it’s not true in people! Because in 10 years time the average Brit will be age what in terms of vast numbers? Sixty? Real Brit. And the average young Muslim, or young African, will be aged about 20!

 

And deciding who’s gonna rule a country is not about votes in the end, it’s about physical force! It’s about who, when push comes to shove, controls the streets, who frightens the elite most, if the elites neutral? Who frightens the police? Because the police always back the side which is most noisy, most violent, and giving the most trouble. And they squish the other side. And in ten years time there is no doubt about it, that the streets of Britain will be run by young Muslims and blacks who converted to Islam, as the best way of hitting back at the hated White man!

 

And there’s no possibility of anything other than that happening! It’s already in the demographics! It’s already happening. You look at the schools, and you look at the old people’s homes. And that’s what’s going to happen in Britain. There’s no way around it! So stop! Please people! Stop the electoral business, and get on we’re building a political movement which can organize our people to be a really effective force as they become a minority! So that even though with a minority, we are the minority who dominate this country, and decide what it’s future is.

 

So you have to understand the minority that really rules Britain at present. You can’t run away from that. You can’t go down the Anne Marie Waters’ [For Britain Movement] even worse fantasy politics line, and saying:

 

“Well, I want Britain to remain a majority, but we’re not going to force anybody out. It will happen somehow.”

 

You can’t do that, but neither can you pretend that there’s any political solution to the problem that we are now in!

 

[82:07]

 

Simon: I beg to differ! I think, again looking at the way that the way Britain is organized, although White people will become a minority ultimately in the country. [Only if present trends continue, etc.] There will be large areas, a little bit like in the United States, the difference between the largely diverse and liberal major cities and the, … the blue liberal major cities with large minority populations and the red countryside. Surely this is what’s going to happen in Britain?

 

And so London, Manchester, Birmingham, the various major cities, will become completely dominated by people of other races as White flight continues. But that equally means that White people do have a bolt hole, and the divisions between the two communities — I don’t like the word “communities” — but the insiders, the indigenous British and the foreigners, the contrast will become greater over a period of time.

 

Nick Griffin: Yup.

 

Simon: And even more so as the countryside becomes Whiter, because also what will happen as things racinate, as this division grows, people of different ethnicities will be less, and less, welcome amongst White communities. So the divisions will be very, very clear. That means that in certain areas, and as things get worse, in certain areas certain people will be very aware of how bad things are. At the moment one of the problems is that people in majority White areas don’t know what Birmingham, or the East End of London, are like. So, I saw you on an interview talking about the air wind mills in Frodsham* as I was researching this program. And Frodsham was where I spent my adolescence.

 

[*Frodsham Wind Farm is one of England’s largest onshore generating stations, and the largest in the Cheshire region, with an installed capacity of more than 50 MW.]

 

 

Now all my family in Frodsham are dreadful lefty liberals! Because they’ve only seen the one nice black man who runs the sweet shop. They’ve got no real idea of what the hell-holes that certain parts of Britain have already become. But as things move into the future the understanding of those differences will be greater. And those White areas will become more racinated, so more fertile ground for a pro-White nationalist party than they were in your day.

 

[85:11]

 

Nick Griffin: I’d say, in fact, that, I live in Shropshire* now, and rather than people not understanding how bad things are, they understand exactly how bad things are! Even in a small village there’s a number of Brahmins, black country people, Londoners here, precisely because they know how bad it is. And they tell their neighbors, and their neighbors do go shopping in Telford, and so on. They know exactly how bad it is. They don’t need convincing it’s bad, they need convincing that there’s some kind of hope!

 

[* Shropshire County is located in central England midway between the city of Birmingham and the Welsh Border.]

 

And the hope has to be winning victories, and doing things that are worthwhile. Again it comes down to [word unclear] elections. I’m working on an unplugged computer and I’m quite low now on my battery charge. So not only have I got to go, but I’m also going to get cut off fairly soon. But to try and finish this piece off.

 

Yes, I grew with you entirely that in the more remote and rather more rural parts you will tend to get a certain sort of redoubt mentality, amongst our people. But again, it’s what you do with it. I think there’s a misunderstanding, people think that politics comes out of a ballot box, or out of political power, it doesn’t! Political change is the thing that comes after cultural change. Political change is merely a register, a change that’s already happened in terms of how a population thinks and how it’s organized.

 

So even if you do want to believe in hope in a political road, before you can think that there’s any chance of winning a political road, you actually have to have really solid communities, and your activists have to be embedded in those communities. Those that people get elected.

 

So, rather than trying to fight an election and then somehow magically making yourself popular. It’ll be far, far, better if young nationalists take the far easier road, in fact, in terms of not getting themselves sacked from college, or rounded up by the police, and so on, if they get into things like food banks, into helping homeschooling operations, into running events, and a charity, and a club for local youngsters, and so on.

 

If they get into those things and build a community base, then it’s actually far easier if you do decide that circumstances have radicalized so much that you can actually win a majority in a whole local council, and then use the local council to go up against the state to make a point, which the Labour Party did in the 70s. [Words unclear] haven’t got time to talk about it now, look up Clay Cross, the Labour Party had the whole council which insisted on defying the Tory laws to build more council houses. Made them absolute heroes to their people.

 

So, if you’ve really built a solid base, and then the opportunity does arise to win a whole council and take control of it, it might be worth doing. What I’m saying is that if people are thinking that’s the way ahead they’ll not put in the work that’s needed to win that community support in the first place. And that is why elections, the fantasy of electoral victory is so dangerous, because it stops people doing not just what we need to do to survive, but also ironically what you need if you were going to win in elections at some later stage in the future.

 

[88:32]

 

Simon: Okay. Well I think I’m sure we’ll just discuss this some point in the future.

 

Nick Griffin: I’m going to go. I think, …

 

Simon: I know you have to go. So thanks thanks very much for coming on the show. You’ve given me a lot to think about. And yeah, I definitely want to mull this over. And perhaps if you’re still in your flurry of interviews and getting involved again, perhaps you’ll come back and we can have a second go. I might have changed my opinion. But I don’t definitely want to look more closely into this. And I agree with you. I think you’ve come up with, … I mean, a lot of the ideas are very valid. I’m just loath to close the electoral route.

 

Nick Griffin: I can understand that! I appreciate your time, Simon and Horus, also your listeners. And I’ll look forward to hearing to what the response is. Do keep on mulling it over, and I’d be delighted to come back, either to carry on this discussion, or, we haven’t even discussed coronavirus which is a huge unexpected circumstance. And that’s not, that thing and problem isn’t going to go away, so happy to come back and discuss that, or whatever questions your listeners want to hear answers. So, again Simon, Horus, thank you very much! I’ll speak to you again, I hope fairly soon.

 

[89:52]

 

Horus: Thanks very much.

 

Simon: Look after yourself.

 

Nick Griffin: Bye.

 

Horus: If Nick was staying for a few more minutes what I would have picked up on,  one of the things he said near the end which was that political change follows cultural change, which I think most people would agree with. What has given me optimism in the last, maybe six months, is that there does feels like — you can never really tell — but it feels like there is quite a rapid cultural change taking place. I think you were alluding to that earlier as well.

 

One thing I think Unwashed has been brilliant at the last few months is just his clear focus on destroying “the fence“, i.e., the deliberate, absolutely sometimes like quite obnoxious, and polarization, just forcing people to say:

 

“Do you want our country destroyed, or not? Take a goddamn side and stop being a goddamn coward!”

 

And things like that, I believe are almost infinitely profitable, I mean, up to a point! I suppose that’s not infinite, … There’s a huge amount of profit in power terms, to be had from fighting a cultural war in that sense. And especially in fighting the “phony Right“.

 

And when we talk about places, I mean, you were saying that countryside obviously becomes ever more important to us, and the sad thing about the countryside at the moment is they just absolutely, routinely, vote Tory! And the Tories obviously are the ones who are importing all these Somalians and Afghans, and so on!

 

If we can, and I know it’s the tallest order in the world, but if we can break the Tory party apart, and destroy that option, remove that option from them, or just make it 10 times harder to just routinely turn up at the ballot box and always take blue, you could suddenly find mainly places like Huntingshire, or Shropshire wanting an alternative! It doesn’t have to be PA.

 

I mean, maybe PA just doesn’t have the resources to have a presence in every part of the country. Certainly not yet. But, a Patriotic Alternative but with small P, small A,  is it going to come into demand. Which is why — I know I’m bored about this — but I return again, and again, again, to just saying that my aim is to destroy the Tories! To destroy the phony Right! And especially to destroy the Left of the Tories, who always control the party. And I just see so many opportunities would open up if we could just get rid of these phony conservatives!

 

And this is why, I have that series of videos I started with called “The Infolding of the Right“. Was just to say:

 

“We are ruled by people who call themselves conservatives, but who make common cause with the Left!”

 

I know it’s not all about, you know, not everything bad that happens is because of Marxism, and so on. That would be deluded! But there is a huge amount to be gained from making people realize that the Tories are the ones with their hands around our throats!

 

 

And the more people where we can just force to abandon them, conceptually I’m saying, by arguments, really. And by rancor, and by clamor! Or just by any agitation we can affect whatsoever against the phony right! I just see this so much to be gained for it! This is sort of what I was alluding to when I said “unforeseen circumstances“. Yeah for, suppose things like Coronavirus, but also just some kind of accident by the Tories, that gives some opening! Just to say:

 

“Look!”

 

You know, it’s really hard to say exactly what form that will come in. But I mean, do you get what I’m saying here?

 

Simon: Yeah. We didn’t know about Coronavirus, either, did we? And he was saying that people these people will go back and vote Labour. I don’t think they will. Some will, but Labour has become more, and more, ridiculous. I mean, I’ll be honest with you, … I really was a big deal new PS we’ve been in labor.

 

Horus: It really was a big deal for them to abandon Labour. It was really was a big deal! But some will slide back!

 

[94:11]