David Kurten: Welcome back to the David Kurten Show here on Today’s News Talk, TNT. And it is fantastic to have back on the show Mads Palsvig, who is the leader of the Prosperity Party in Denmark. Mads, welcome back to the show.

 

Mads Palsvig: Thanks, David. Good to see you again.

 

David Kurten: Yeah, really good to see you again. Now I want to talk to you about some, you know, the general issues that you write about and speak about on X [formerly Twitter] and on social media, as well as leading the party in Denmark. And that relates to something that happened in the news in the UK yesterday. There was an incident at Manchester Airport where a couple of Israelis were stopped, you know, in a routine check. They were held for a couple of hours and then let into the country.

 

But there was a complete outpouring of the narrative that these people have been treated badly. They’ve been treated with “anti-semitism” because they come from Israel. But if someone came from Russia or Afghanistan and they were given the same treatment, no one would bat an eyelid.

 

And do you think that the narrative of anti-semitism is talked up more than you know, that actually there is anti-semitism in existence in the West?

 

Mads Palsvig: Oh, for sure, yeah. I mean, leading jewish scholars admit openly that it’s a tool they use to get sympathy. And they’re very successful in this. They managed to take over literally every institution in America. 85% of the Biden administration is jewish!

 

So they are very successful.

 

And you mentioned Russia. Now, my wife is Russian-jewish, so I’m of course knowledgeable about what’s going on there.

 

And if you talk about “anti-Russianism”, if such a word exists, most people are not aware that Russian people were collectively punished for Putin’s Special Military Operation in Ukraine by having all their assets frozen overnight. They didn’t even get 24 hours to transfer their money to Dubai or elsewhere. They just had all their assets frozen.

 

So you have collective punishments of all Russians. I cannot send a package to my mother-in-law. I cannot send money to my mother-in-law. I cannot travel directly to my mother-in-law. I have to spend 1,000 Euros to travel through Istanbul or Dubai to visit my mother-in-law, who is old, who is fragile, who is in hospital on and off. And this is collective punishment, but this is just Russians!

 

And then if you are reading the Talmud, then you would see that they write that a jew is worth 10,000 non-jewish! And a jew should have 2, 800 non-jewish slaves! These are not my words. These are written in the Talmud.

 

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And I believe that some of the jews in Hollywood and some of the jews in the US administration are clearly Talmud followers, because the chutzpah to think that you are entitled to 85% of the good jobs. And that goes for not only the Biden administration, that goes for all the leading jobs on us universities, all the social engineering, the woke culture that is happening there, the anti-Christian and the hostility towards Christian people. Hollywood is also 85% Talmud followers. And it’s nonstop White guilt, social engineering, hate towards White people:

 

“Just open your borders. We need to get rid of the White people!”

 

And they literally, you can find so many examples of leading scholars, writers, politicians in the Knesset, talking openly about, you know, not only genociding the Amalek, they call the Palestinians, but actually all White people!

 

So I think it’s about time that all jewish people, all the good jewish people, and I know a lot of them, when you have a jewish wife, you get a lot of jewish friends. I love them! And I need more jewish people now to go out and say:

 

“Excuse me, maybe if we only 2% of them are America, maybe we shouldn’t have more than four to 5%, at most, of the leading post in the society?”

 

Because who’s talking about the diversity? It’s the jews who are talking about the diversity! It’s the jews who are using this tool of calling diversity by shaming and White guilt tripping the White people. Because we’re all behind the Holocaust! All of us! Not only some psychopathic Nazis, who wanted to loot jewish wealth, but all White people have to pay.

 

So you can have, … Well Americans don’t have free healthcare. If a jew is sick in America, they have free healthcare, even including organ transplantations.

 

So there is a rule for thee and the rule for the other people. And this is based on this philosophy of “collective punishment” that is inherent in the Talmud. This Amalek “kill all of them”. So if one Muslim commits a crime against a jew, then kill all of them! This is collective punishment. This is not Christian.

 

In Christianity, we have an eye for an eye, which means if someone is committing a crime, you can go for one person and only him. You cannot kill his wife and children! It’s not a Christian thing to do. And I would like to see a more Christian world order in the Christian societies, and a Muslim and a Hindu and a Buddhist in their societies, of course.

 

I’m not saying Christians should be running the whole show. I’m just saying in the Christian countries, I would like to see a Christian world order of love, of forgiveness, of all men are created equal, and never collective punishment, only the perpetrator.

 

And what we’re seeing is we’re having a Talmudian world order right now perpetrated by the 85% in the Biden administration, and that is hate! That is revenge! That is racial supremacy! That the only genocide we are allowed to hear about is crimes committed against jewish people.

 

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The 50 to 100 million Russian, mainly Orthodox Christians that were murdered, we’re not allowed to talk about! Any other genocide it’s not important! Because there is a racial supremacy inherent in the Talmud!

 

And I would like to see all my jewish friends who might watch this and any other jewish person, who are lovely people, and I love jewish people. They’re bright, they’re fun to be with, they’re great people. But please, come on, now!

 

I mean, if you’re promoting diversity, then try to be a little bit diverse. Allow some Hindus, some Buddhists, and Muslims and Christians to be allowed to make some movies and run Wall Street, run the universities, get an occasional seat in the Congress and the Biden administration.

 

David Kurten: That is an absolutely extraordinary figure! 85% of the Biden administration being jewish. I didn’t know it was that high, being a Christian myself. And I say the majority of people in the United States, which obviously is the most powerful country in the West, would say they’re Christian.

 

But I think there is a very big blind spot here, because a lot of Christians would support jews because they think of themselves as living in a judeo-Christian culture, and think that Judaism is just, well, the Bible without the New Testament, it’s just the Old Testament.

 

And a lot of Christians have never even heard of the Talmud.

 

I mean, I myself, I’d never heard of the Talmud until three or four years ago. I wasn’t even aware of his existence. And I’ve now come to understand some of the things that are in it, and it’s absolutely horrific!

 

And it means that if you follow the Talmud, which was written in the first of the fourth century AD as a rejection of Christ, Christ is the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

 

And a lot of jews are Christians. There are messianic jews who follow Christ, have gone that way, but there are some who follow the Talmud. And it’s a horrific book, isn’t it?

 

And I think everyone should be aware of what’s in there. And you’ve put that very well and succinctly how that book is now having an incredible influence over Christian nations.

 

Mads Palsvig: Yeah, I mean the reason that you and I probably were not aware of that until, in my case, also three, four years ago, is because there’s a death penalty for a jew to tell a non-jew about the Talmud. They know that it’s not good.

 

And in the Talmud, they also write that you are free to commit any crime against non-jewish people, even on the annual Purim*. To take part in the annual Purim. I just posted a video of how they have kids dress up as Arabs and jews.

 

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And then in the Purim, the kids in the schools are play killing the Arabs. I’m not kidding! It’s happening. This is what they do. And on the Purim, they have to go in, if they take part in that. I’m not saying in all synagogues, not in all synagogues, but in certain synagogues they have, when they take part in the Purim, in the ritual, annual ritual, they have to promise to break all promises to non-jews in the following twelve months. And that’s totally fine! I mean, come on now! That’s enough!

 

And there are so many assimilated, or whether there are religious or non-religious jewish people out there. I think, you know, you had a good run. We all love you. We’re not going to collectively punish you, all of you, for what some evil jewish people have done of crimes. We are Christian people. We will only go for those who actually committed a crime. We’re not going to go after his wife or his kids. This is not a Christian thing to do.

 

And then I have another thing I would like to say is the Germans have now been punished for 80 years.

 

I mean, can you find an inch, an ounce of forgiveness in your heart? Isn’t this enough? Isn’t it enough now!

 

The latest gimmick they now have found out is that now they have to be ritualistically humiliated during the European football championship. And the German men are forced to play in pink! Come on!

 

David Kurten: No! I didn’t know that. That’s terrible, isn’t it?

 

Mads Palsvig: It is so in your face! We own you!

 

Come on, that’s not good. We are nice people. And the jews people are nice, but we are all nice people. We should get along.

 

And the thing is, the minute Germany get their freedom again, then Germany and Russia will find out that they could benefit each other with Russian energy, German ingenuity, and we would have freedom, democracy and prosperity beyond belief!

 

If only we are allowed to not be socially engineered into hating each other and fighting all these ridiculous wars that already cost at least half a million young men their lives in Ukraine. It’s horrible!

 

David Kurten: Yeah, well, it goes back a long way, doesn’t it? I think we’ve had the World Wars of the last century.

 

But I think the greatest tragedy, or tragedies, of the last century is that there was enmity created between England or Britain and Germany and Russia and Germany and America and Germany, and now America and Russia and Britain and Russia. And we have four great Christian nations here. If we all got along and helped each other and supported each other and worked for creating prosperity and building a Christian society in a Christian world, how incredible would the world be? But this continual enmity being stirred up, and I speak against it. You speak against it.

 

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I mean, look at the Russophobia in all of the mainstream media all over the West because of what’s going on in Ukraine. And you just think that this is perpetuating the tragedy and perpetuating something that is desperately wrong here, when we should all stop fighting against each other and start being friends again.

 

Mads Palsvig: I totally agree. And if I can add, this fight against Russians, it’s again a sanction against human beings of flesh and blood with a beating heart. It’s against the Russian people.

 

And also all us non-Russians who have friends and family we love in Russia. It’s not against the corporations. 97% of all western corporations who were there in March 2022 are still there. You can buy everything there! I was there last year visiting my Russian family, and everything is there. And the standard of living is just going one way. The sanctions are not working. The Russian people are hardworking. They don’t understand this hate. They’re very serious people. They’re ready to fight. They don’t want to fight.

 

But if you want to fight, they will hit back! And I have no shadow of doubt. If there is a war, they will win it. And I try very hard to show a third way. So you have, like, you have one way. You are either pro-China and Russia or you’re pro-NATO.

 

But I would like to say there’s actually another way. That is, there are some people who are running both, who are trying to stir up the beans and get both sides to fight each other.

 

And I think it goes back a long way. If you read books by Golitsyn and Bezmanov, they suggest that it was actually engineered in the Soviet Union back in the sixties. All the social engineering in the West, the youth revolution, the feminism, the attack on Christianity, was all engineered in the atheistic communist Soviet Union back in the sixties. These are first hand witnesses who were present in the meetings who say that.

 

And you can see it might have happened by other means, but there were definitely a motive. And they tried to do it and they’ve succeeded in doing it.

 

So that’s the third way I’m trying to say is that someone is trying to infiltrate and destroy our Christian nations and they’re trying to make us fight with Russia and China.

 

David Kurten: Yeah, well, I mean, I absolutely agree with you because, you know, looking back in history, you know, just very briefly, there was this hideous revolution in 1917. The Royal Romanov family was executed by, you know, Bolsheviks, and most of the Bolsheviks were jewish, Talmudist jewish people. And then revolution didn’t happen and take off in the West, so cultural Marxism was developed. You know, that goes back from the sixties, and then it also goes back to the Frankfurt School in the 1920s as well.

 

[15:35]

 

And one of the people involved in the Comintern at the time was Willi Münzenberg, who is reported to have said:

 

“We will make Western civilisation stink! We will change and undermine all it’s values and make life impossible!”

 

So that’s really horrible! It’s quite satanic! You’ve got these people who actually genuinely wanted to do that.

 

But Mads, I totally agree with you on all of these things. I wish we could talk for much longer because we’ve just touched the surface on this issue. And, you know what you’re saying about feminism being created. I mean, this is a cultural Marxist ideology where women are seen to be oppressed and they need to “rise up and smash the Patriarchy”.

 

And then you have homophobia and trans-phobia where the LGBTs are created as a group, and then they need to rise up and smash hetero-normativity and undermine Christian values, and so on.

 

So this is going on in multiple different parts of society and we can see it.

 

But anyway, Mads, thank you so much for joining me on the show today, and I really wish you well and the best with your Prosperity Party in Denmark. I hope one day we can be in the places of power and we can turn things around and we can get things back to normal.

 

Mads Palsvig, thank you for joining me here on Today’s News Talk, TNT.

 

[16:59]

 

[END]

 

[* Purim: A Festival of Hate and an Insight into How Jewish Supremacists view Gentiles
March 14, 2014 at 12:10 am

 

Purim: A Festival of Hate and an Insight into How Jewish Supremacists view Gentiles

 

By David Duke. As the Jewish celebration of Purim starts on March 15, it is timely to ask what is Purim, why is it celebrated and what does it mean? The answers to these questions are shocking–and always covered up by the Jewish-Supremacist controlled mass media.

 

It is vital that non-Jews acquire a fundamental understanding of the unconscionable hatred engendered by this primitive Jewish celebration of atavistic hatred, murder and revenge against their enemies, a feast called “Purim”.

 

According to the Jewish religion, Purim means “Feast of Lots” which comes from the Jewish contention that Haman, who was the Prime Minister to the King of Persia, Xerxes (the Jews call him Ahasuerus), planned to kill all the Jews in the empire.

 

Xerxes’ wife was the Jewish Esther and she with the Jewish leader Mordechai interceded with the King, to have Haman executed and allow the Jews to exact revenge upon those they saw as their enemies.

 

There is no archeological or historical evidence for any of this other than the bloodthirsty writings in Esther and it’s admittedly Jewish version of the events. The book of Esther records that Haman along with all of his ten sons were hanged, and that 75,000 Persians were slaughtered by the Jews.

 

Interestingly enough, the Jews used Jewish influence (that of Esther) over a Gentile king to do their dirty work. In one instance, the book of Esther even frankly tells how the King was fooled into believing wrongly that Haman had cut down his beloved grove of trees.

 

Esther explains that Haman did not do this but the angels did it and appeared to the keepers of the trees as Haman.

 

 

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(Comments as of 3/29/2024 = 76)

@ChefEarthenware
1 day ago
Excellent guest.
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@MrSillenomis
1 day ago
Hats off again to David for a great interview providing brave clarity on these issues
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@TheGreatestLieEverTold
1 day ago
God bless you David for doing this and thank you.
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@allenniumfalcon
1 day ago
Bang on.
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@sipocharles9180
13 hours ago
For years, I have questioned the statistical absurdity of Jews having a global monopoly on business, banking, and economics, which by extension means the world, but representing only 0.2% of the world’s 8 billion people.
Mr. Palsvig echoes this sentiment and articulates it excellently, aiming at problem root causes, so I look forward to hearing from him more.
Well done, David. I applaud your courage in tackling this sensitive topic.
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@romeisfallingagain
4 hours ago
a racket of blackmail, extortion and payoffs
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@clivejohnston9894
1 day ago
Massive fan David – this guy is kicking ass 󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
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@DavidUK64
13 hours ago
Great job David and Mads!!
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@martingodden613
7 hours ago
my lovely wife is Russian.She is unable to transfer her Russian pension home to the UK.Something she worked hard for many years to receive.Collective punishment indeed.
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@ChrisLipthorpe
22 hours ago
I met Mads at an Ian R Crane AV conference in 2018. We need more politicians like him.
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@davestevenson9080
1 day ago
Fantastic push of the overton window there david. I don’t really believe there is a political solution but if heritage run in my area i’ll give them a vote
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@romeisfallingagain
4 hours ago
you are wise to know the solution isnt political, its theological
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@a.j.b.8658
8 hours ago
I hope you can turn things around too, David! I’d be proud to vote for you.
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@bertibear1300
1 day ago
Good show.
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@mattfm101
5 hours ago
David knows how to touch on this subject without ever touching on it, it’s beyond words how impressive how he does it.
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@Thecountofstgermaine
1 day ago (edited)
Well done david you keep blowing me away with your guests, im a deep researcher into jewish malfeasance glad youve got the cojones to go there may god be with you always.
EDIT:if anyone needs documentaries or sources ill be glad to help
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@davidkurten1
1 day ago
Thank you
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@astroterf.
4 hours ago (edited)
Absolutely fantastic interview, thank you!
People have been encouraged and conditioned to be horrified by the Qur’an and Muslims while the (much worse) Talmud is kept quiet and if you talk about how much more appalling it is you’re ‘anti-Semitic’ – all by design!
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@gillps5130
1 day ago (edited)
Kim Iversen very recently, now this. At long last. Europa the Last Battle and ‘The World Conquerors’, Louis Marschalko fills much else in. I’m glad you mentioned the Frankfurt School, David, which was in danger of being left out.
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@GhostfaceAB
12 hours ago
Well said
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@fredfredericks3496
1 day ago
There goes your YouTube channel, David. At least I’ve got the TNT app lol
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@romeisfallingagain
4 hours ago
i have been informing people for years. was banned from facebook for it for 5 years. now its meainstream
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@astroterf.
4 hours ago
You and me both!
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@romeisfallingagain
4 hours ago
@astroterf. to the end, brother
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@astroterf.
4 hours ago
@romeisfallingagain
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@rl53
6 hours ago
Lebor Glas Clann is a good read David for an alternative history of ideologies & how they came about.

@dd7521
15 hours ago
Free health care?
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@kronos77
1 day ago
What was he saying about free health care for Jews in America? I dont get it.
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@lilleypops1868
13 hours ago
Apparently the US is paying for the health care in Israel and if they need to go abroad for treatment that’s paid for too. As for organ donation I believe they can accept organs but cannot donate organs themselves. I don’t know how true this is.
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@romeisfallingagain
3 hours ago
wait til you find out about their mortgages/loan arrangement lol “heter iska” lol

@earthstick
1 day ago (edited)
I’m not sure that the accusation of anti-semitism is talked up, and I am not sure it is wrong either. If I was a Jew who follows the Talmud, then it follows that I would think differently. But I am not. So it seems to come down to this: Some groups, be they racial, national, religious, will put people of their group before people outside their group. And it seems that either Christians never did that, or it has been lost. Christ said anyone can be saved, so long as they follow him, so it is primarily a religious group. But if this group does not put its members before those outside the group, then there is nothing really to it, and its own destruction is inevitable. So how does it avoid being a weak group?
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@gillps5130
1 day ago
A really good question. The nature of Christianity virtually prohibits exclusivity. It wasn’t always so, crusades, missionary work etc but we have evolved away from it while others haven’t.
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@earthstick
1 day ago
@gillps5130 That’s it, exclusivity. It appears to be the anathema of modern Christian nations. But a group exists because there is condition that divides the whole into those inside and those outside the group. Without that condition there is no group, nothing to be within. That condition is critical, it must be studied, understood, and enforced.

@earthstick
1 day ago
@gillps5130 It’s more than just that though. Is it true that the Pope blessed weapons in WWI? Because Jesus being a peaceful man, objected to that. And it seems if the Pope did infact bless weapons/support WWI, then we can see a clear contradiction that had such consequences that I dare say it has greatly damaged Christian faith. But that begs the question of how do we overcome the violent people. You mention the crusades, a bloody period in Christain history and a rude contradiction. But nobody cared about that until now.
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@earthstick
1 day ago
@gillps5130 The recent chemical attacker migrant was accepted into the Christian faith, yet had a Muslim funeral. This question of exclusivity is central.
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@ayyleeuz4892
23 hours ago
all ethnic groups have positive and negative ethnocentrism, each to varying degrees. Christianity is a religion, and it is universalist.

@gillps5130
13 hours ago
I’ve tried to reply twice but each time they have been deleted.

@ayyleeuz4892
13 hours ago
@gillps5130 you must write as if you are talking to an extremely politically correct person whom you do not want to upset

@earthstick
10 hours ago
@ayyleeuz4892 But it still has conditions before someone can be regarded a Christian. If there is no condition then it cannot categorise, and thus does not exist.

@ayyleeuz4892
9 hours ago
@earthstick I don’t know what you’re referring to. you mentioned noticing in group cooperation between Jews. I explain that Christianity is a universalist religion, whereas Judaism has a “law of matrilineal descent” so only people whose mothers were Jews are Jews, and so their ethnocentrism is expressed quite apparently in the world.

@shrunkensimon
10 hours ago
I’d be very careful that you actually understand the full history before giving energy to something that may end up causing a future mass horror – are you certain you’re pinning the tail on the donkey.
Bare in mind you may be seeing what someone wants you to see, so they can remain out of sight while another party takes the flack.

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@romeisfallingagain
4 hours ago
no, its called indepth study. everything said is correct. you just didnt get taught the history or theology by the controllers of the system
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@romeisfallingagain
4 hours ago
@shrunkensimon rothschild isnt the beginning of this. the talmud is, and its teaching. i have hundreds of books which cover the topic at hand. stop coping
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@shrunkensimon
3 hours ago
@romeisfallingagain Do you understand world history? The last 2000 years are about Rome, not Judaism.

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Dr. Camilla Moller: We have been really working hard on flattening the curve, that was really what we did for a long time. And with Omicron, we simply don’t need anymore to flatten the curve as much as we used to. And that’s the reason we can have these more open societies.

 

Freddie Sayers: Hello. And welcome to UnHerd, I’m Freddie Sayers.

 

So a couple of days ago, on the 26th of January, England dropped most of its Covid regulations! Facemasks are no longer legally mandated anywhere. Vaccine passports are not legally mandated anywhere – some people still use them. But they’re not legally required. And stay at home advice, i.e., the idea that you need to work from home not go into the office, has also been dropped by the government.

 

Well, we thought we were the most liberated country in Europe, but Denmark has just overtaken us! As of February the first, they will have no Covid regulations whatsoever!

 

Well, here to discuss this with us and explain why Denmark felt confident enough to make that decision is Camilla Holten Moller. Who is an infectious disease epidemiologist working at the state public health agency in Denmark.

 

She’s also the head of the Expert Group on Mathematical Modelling over there in Denmark, which is the group that produces the predictions that helps the government make their decisions as to what they should do next about Covid.

 

Camilla, welcome!

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Thank you.

 

Freddie Sayers: What is actually happening on February first? Is it true that there will be no Covid regulations whatsoever, over in Denmark?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, to a large degree, yes. That is. So so what they also decided in the government is that Covid should no longer be considered critical to public health. And that also means that the legislation is also changing. So many of these interventions can no longer be supported by legal legislation.

 

So many things will simply be ruled out. For instance, the Corona pass will go away, and also, these restrictions on closing down of nightlife and cultural institutions is also ending by the first of February.

 

Freddie Sayers: If you get Covid, and you take a test. What do you do on the second of February in Denmark?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, we still recommend people to stay in isolation, for a minimum of three days. But then we also look at whether you have symptoms. If you don’t have any symptoms, you can actually go back out of isolation after three days. If you continue to have symptoms, you should stay in isolation until you’re symptom free.

 

Freddie Sayers: And so I noticed the verb there was “recommend”. So it’s no longer a legal requirement. It’s just a suggestion?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: It’s a suggestion, yeah.

 

Freddie Sayers: And what’s interesting is that Denmark is doing this big step of dropping all of the regulations at the exact moment that case numbers are higher than they’ve ever been. In the last few days, you’ve had the highest case numbers that Denmark has ever recorded of Covid-19 in the history of this pandemic.

 

Tell us about that. Why do high case numbers not make the government panic about dropping the restrictions?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, of course, it’s caused by the Omicron variant that we also saw taking over in Denmark. It started early December. And then it actually totally replaced Delta within a month.

 

And what we also saw is now that we actually have a sub variant of the Omicron, called BA.2. Which also seems to be a little bit more infectious, but still have the same – it’s simply less severe also, compared to the first Omicron variant. And that is why we see these really high case numbers each day. But we don’t really see it in the severity, or in hospitals. So patients going to hospital – of course, a lot of people with Covid. But they’re not necessarily ill from their Covid..

 

So, it’s basically, because we have this Omicron variant that we now are confident that we can actually start opening up again.

 

Freddie Sayers: So is it fair to say that you’re no longer worried about case numbers, especially? You no longer think that’s a useful metric?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, more, or less. Of course, the case number still indicates also that you could have a wave also in hospitalizations. So what we’re especially concerned about is, of course, our risk groups – old people and people with comorbidities – that they could still have a smaller wave with Omicron as well. But we really do see very few people in intensive care unit. And those people going into hospital are there for shorter stay. So for now, it isn’t really worrying to that extent.

 

Freddie Sayers: And what you mentioned earlier, are you saying that some of those hospitalizations, or numbers that count as people with Covid in hospital, were just in hospital for something else?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Yes.

 

Freddie Sayers: And now they have you happen to have Covid, so you’re not worried about them for that reason?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, still, of course, you need to take precautions in hospitals, when you have all these people showing up at hospital and still need treatment, but also have a positive test.

 

So it’s not like, you can rule them out. You still need to take care of these patients in a certain manner. But it’s not in the same way that we saw with the Delta wave, where we actually saw people got really ill – even vaccinated patients could have severe illness – we don’t see that to the same degree with the Omicron. And that’s also the reason we have based these decisions upon.

 

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Freddie Sayers: So this is a huge moment, isn’t it? Not only for Denmark. But in the way that we understand this pandemic that has dominated all of our lives for two years.

 

Historically, for months, and months, and months, it’s been when cases rise, we know that there’s going to be a delayed, but coming, effect on hospitalizations and ultimately deaths. And that’s why all of the modelling people, such as yourself, have had this huge power, because they’ve been predicting what that relationship will be. Are we to now conclude then that this is basically the end of this pandemic?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, we have been really working hard on flattening the curve, that was really what we did for a long time. And with Omicron, we simply don’t need anymore to flatten the curve as much as we used to. And that’s the reason we can have these more open societies.

 

I definitely believe that SARS-Cov-2 will continue circulating during the summer period as well. And we also expect that in winter, we will start to see case counts going up again, simply, because we have the waning immunity of the vaccine. So the population immunity will start decreasing. We are also considering, of course, that we could end up seeing new variants that will have a play.

 

But for now, I think with the Omicron, we’re in a good place. And we definitely think that after we have peaked, which we also consider that we will be peaking in a short time, we expect the springtime and summertime will be pretty quiet, I think.

 

Freddie Sayers: I mean, you talk about the potential for new variants. Something that’s been said a lot is that the normal progress of a virus like this is to become more transmissible, but milder, because ultimately, that’s good for the virus in some way. That seems to be what’s happened with Covid-19. Does that not mean though, that it’s less likely that suddenly the next variant will be much more severe?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: I don’t think we can say that. I think it’s too soon, really. And of course, what we observed with the Delta variant was that it was actually both more transmissible and more severe. And it’s really kind of a lottery with these mutations. So I don’t think we can say with any certainty that it will be a less severe variant the next time. At least, I’m not confident in that.

 

But of course, what we do see now is that the immunity, the population immunity, is really high right now, both from vaccines, and hybrid vaccine, and recovered infections. So we’re in a different place, I think, with the Omicron that actually boosted our immunity, population immunity. And that’s a good thing from my chair.

 

Freddie Sayers: Because this is another really important question that you’ve just come upon, which is this whole idea of natural immunity. Previously, that was very controversial, because it was considered dangerous to either allow people to be exposed, or deliberately encourage people to be exposed, because they could get very sick.

 

If Omicron is as mild as it appears to be, is there some argument for actually saying, it’s a good time to be exposed to Covid-19?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well. You can also always argue whether that’s a good idea, or not. You never can foresee who is actually ending up with severe illness. So it’s a bit of a chance, I would say to do that. I wouldn’t advise people to get exposed deliberately. I still think that it’s part of the reason that we are actually opening our society now and annulling all of these restrictions is that we can see that it probably will still have good protection from the vaccines and that we can see that people get less severe illness in case you get infected.

 

So we’re not that worried anymore of people getting infected. But I wouldn’t say it’s part of our strategy to have people infected.

 

Freddie Sayers: But, it’s okay to observe that immunity from infection is powerful, at least as powerful, can we say as immunity from vaccination? What’s your professional view on that?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: You need to discuss that with an expert in looking into immunity. I think you could say that you have some protection from the Omicron. But how does it protect against former variants and new variants? That is the question. Just as we know that the vaccines don’t actually cover all variants equally, well, we will probably see the same that different variants that we had during the past will also protect against new variants in different terms.

 

So one person that had the Delta variant might be more protected against an upcoming new variant than if you have had Omicron. We don’t know that, simply.

 

Freddie Sayers: If you compare some of the continental European countries with a country like the United Kingdom, the UK opened up earlier, back in July. And there was a higher level of infection. And some people observed that we were less badly hit in the winter than some of those European countries, and suggest that might be partly why. Do you think that’s a reasonable way to think?

 

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Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, I think it definitely is something you need to consider. Simply the state of the population, or the “population immunity”, as we call it. How well is it built up? And what does it mean for next waves? In Denmark, we saw that the immunity is primarily by vaccination. We actually have had very low prevalences in Denmark. We didn’t have that large wave. And probably that is also why the Omicron have an advantage right now is simply, because it’s an immune evasive variant.

 

So in other countries where you used to have high waves, or high peaks of other variants, you might do better, or see less Omicron, simply because it doesn’t have an advantage as it does in high vaccinated countries like Denmark.

 

So definitely there are something about the population immunity and to what extent there’s population immunity from vaccines and recovering waves.

 

Freddie Sayers: What’s going on in terms of Denmark versus Sweden? Because this is something we’ve paid quite a lot of attention to – I’m partly Swedish. Earlier on in the pandemic, Denmark was very stringent. They were one of the first countries to close their borders. Even, they closed the border with Sweden controversially, while Sweden had a much more liberal attitude. And now it seems to have swapped around to some extent. Sweden is now discovering lockdown style measures, although not a full lockdown, but limits on parties and curfews, and those kinds of things, whilst Denmark is opening up. Have they swapped? What’s going on there do you think?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well not deliberately, I think. But what we do see in Denmark is we try to do precision epidemiology, so to say. So we try to really have good information. We’ve been testing quite a lot during the epidemic, and doing a lot of sequencing and variant detection. And a lot more than Sweden have done. And it’s always difficult to compare countries. But I think in the current situation, we might just be a little bit ahead of Sweden simply, because we’re looking at it in a different manner, so to say. We have these detailed information on the BA.2 variant, which is difficult if you don’t have a large testing system, or variant detection.

 

Freddie Sayers: Do you think we’re able to say which country of those two had a better policy, looking back on the last year and a half?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: I think that’s really difficult to judge! And historically, we’ll have to sit down and take a look into how did we handle this differently. And what was actually working well, and worked less well, or where did we overdo something. So there will be definitely a need to evaluate the strategies that we chose and how it actually went on from that, and looking at mortality, etc.

 

Freddie Sayers: Very diplomatic answer, if I may. Say.

 

So so let’s talk about politics for one minute, because your country, as far as I understand, all of the political parties support this opening up. Is that true?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Yes, that’s correct. Which is an unrecognisable world from here in the UK, or I think the United States, or many, many countries where it’s become such a political argument. And if the government says one thing, the opposition says the opposite thing. How did it come about that everybody agrees now, even though these cases are going through the roof, that it’s time to call an end to restrictions? What’s different about Denmark?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, I think there’s first of all, high trust to health authorities, and also for the epidemic commission, who is actually advising the government, and advising our politicians in Denmark, has a high trust. I think that it’s the correct, so to say, that they trust that these are the correct solutions. And this was actually by the Epidemic Commission that proposed that these restrictions were lifted. And the whole government and all of the politicians actually agreed to that. So yeah, in general. I think it’s related to high trust in health authorities.

 

Freddie Sayers: Let’s talk about your specific work here. Because a big part of the evidence for the government being able to release those restrictions was your reporting – you’re in charge of the mathematical modelling group.

 

And just before Christmas, you produced a report that looked at what the effect of the Omicron wave might be over in Denmark. And I think it’s worth actually spending a little time on the specific conclusions you reached, because they’re quite different to what the modelling groups concluded here in the UK.

 

 

So I think we’ve got a chart that we can put up on the screen of your predictions versus what actually happened. So first, there’s the question of cases – how many cases there would be.

 

So talk us through what we’re looking at here?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Yeah, so just before Christmas, we did this model, where we try to look at Omicron and Delta and how would the case counts develop until March, if we projected the epidemic, so to say.

 

Here, the black dots are the case counts and the grey bars are the total case count here, projected total case counts. And then you see in orange, the Delta, actually being totally replaced.

 

The red dot is simply, because we didn’t have a full case count from that day. But what you see here is that we’re actually hitting the roof of our projections here, and quite within, so to say, the span of the projected case counts. So the predictions turned out to be pretty well.

 

But we also see that something was growing a bit more than we actually anticipated. And that’s because we had the BA.2 taking over in week two. So underneath. You also see sort of two strains growing at the same time.

 

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Freddie Sayers: Let’s look at the next one, which is similar, but shows hospitalisation. So these are new people being put into hospital with Covid each day.

 

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Yes. So these new to hospital is similarly also, we projected that we would have a peak here in the beginning of February. Simply, because you have kind of a delay from the case count peaking until you see the peak in hospitalisations. So what we see here is also that we are well within the projected span.

 

Actually, now we do expect that the peak might be postponed a little bit, because of the BA.2 having a little bit more growth than the BA.1. So it might be actually that we expecting to peak a little bit later, and maybe a little bit higher. But but we’re well within the span.

 

Freddie Sayers: I mean, we are not used to seeing this kind of thing over here in the UK. This looks like a pretty accurate model. The dots are mainly within the cone! [chuckling] This is what should happen, right, with a mathematical model? Both of the things you’ve shown us where the actual data falls roughly in the range that you expected it to. So I’m guessing you’re feeling quite pleased with your modelling?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, yes, definitely. I think we have fulfilled our task, which is to inform our decision makers of what to expect what to come.

 

Freddie Sayers: So the million dollar question is, how could it be that prior to Christmas, and in the early part of January, you remained confident that there wouldn’t be a huge dangerous surge in hospitalisations and deaths, that required very draconian lockdowns, whilst other modelling groups, such as some of the groups here in the UK that were advising our government, came to a different conclusion? What’s your understanding of that difference?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: I should say that it is really a difficult task. But also early in December, we also had some models where we actually projected those higher peaks in hospitalisations, which was mainly owed to the many uncertainties of the Omicron. At first, we simply didn’t know how severe that variant could be. But as soon as we had new data, we have put that into our models and informed the models. And that’s why we came up with this model that you just saw showed on the screen.

 

So knowledge is key, and really to follow this really closely. And that is, yeah, coming back to the detailed data we have in Denmark, that’s really what we owe it to.

 

Freddie Sayers: So I’m going to put another chart on the screen, if I may, which is one of the most famous modelling groups here in the UK, which, … Well there were two, there was one from Warwick University, one from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. They both came up with similar kind of conclusions. But I think this is the Warwick chart we have. And you’ll be able to see the difference between what was projected and what has actually happened.

 

 

So, [chuckling] it’s kind of a different story. This was, and I should say, this is actually with a severity of 50% of Delta. They also produced one with 100% of Delta, which was even more extreme.

 

And what’s happened in reality is just so far beneath what they were expecting. Do you have any insight into the technicality of that?

 

 

Because I looked in detail at your report here, which is your model. And. It seems to me that you were also factoring 50% of severity of Delta as the sort of mid-case scenario, which was the same as those UK groups. So, how could it be that your results were so different?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: It actually depends on what type of model you have here. And I don’t know the details of the Warwick model, but the type of model, whether it’s a population model, or an agent based model, but also the detail of the information that you put in.

 

We also have big issues related to the vaccine effectiveness for the Omicron, and also transmissibility when you are infected. Those are other parameters that are equally important to have a correct model estimate. And what we did in our model was simply to sample within a span saying that this is what we’re looking at that could be most feasible for the Omicron variant. So some of these – looking at these projections, what we know today is that it’s probably even less than 50%, maybe it’s 20% less severe the Omicron variant. But it could be some of the other parameters that you use in a model that are simply not correct, or didn’t get spot on.

 

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Freddie Sayers: Do you think it’s fair to be worried that there is a kind of bias towards negativity in making these models?

 

For example, if we take this question of severity, in those days before Christmas, there was a lot of discussion of how confident we could be that Omicron was less severe than Delta. And to most common sense observers, the real world data we got from South Africa, made that pretty clear! Because had it been as severe as Delta, they would be having overflowing hospitals, and they weren’t.

 

And yet, there were these incredibly sophisticated reasons given why we couldn’t be certain, that it could still technically just be to do with differences in age profile, or prior immunity, or whatever, from South Africa.

 

So that data set was kind of ignored. And Professor Neil Ferguson produced a report at Imperial, on the 17th of December, I think, the same day that your model came out, saying that there is no evidence, no firm evidence, that Omicron is less severe than Delta.

 

And so that was the presumption that went into advising the government. And I suppose similar things with those other variables you talk about, with vaccine effectiveness. And those kinds of things.

 

Do you feel like it’s possible that in Denmark, when you’re doing these models, you’re looking at a kind of central scenario and just trying to estimate, whilst in some other countries, perhaps including England, we are training our modellers to be erring on the side of caution?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, of course, that’s a difficult question to answer. I would say that we also did this, the same approach, simply modelling different scenarios, also the severe scenario and the less severe scenario. So that would be a typical model approach, that you need to actually showcase your uncertainties. Because that’s truly, really important to the decision makers, that it could be A, but it could also B.

 

And then of course, you need to narrow in as soon as you have the information, you would need to reproduce your models and see now that we’re more certain. We can see that it’s actually going this direction.

 

So in the beginning, when we did our models, we also had a lot of uncertainty on the estimates. And we had been trying to narrow it down as fast as we could with the information we thought we had.

 

Freddie Sayers: So you haven’t been looking at other countries’ models and analysing why they were so different? You don’t have a theory as to what variable it was they chose wrong?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: No, not exactly. I can’t pinpoint that. And it is really a lot of work to get into other models. It’s not just a quick look you can do that. You’d really need to spend some time and understand the parameters you had chosen to put in your models to say why they’re so different.

 

What you also see sometimes is that you use a panel of models to inform your decision makers, because it can be quite different from the choice of model that you have, and the details in the model you have.

 

Freddie Sayers: One more question on this, because I’ve done some back of the envelope calculations here. Actually, if your numbers – Denmark is a population of 5.8 million – you were forecasting 25,000 to 55,000, roughly, cases as a peak. And 150 to 360 hospitalisations per day, as a peak. And as we’ve just seen roughly that is what happened.

 

 

England is almost exactly 10 times the size of Denmark, 56 million, as opposed to 5.8 million. And had our modellers been like you and forecasts 250 to 550 cases a day, and 1,500 to 3,000 hospitalizations a day, they would also have been roughly correct. We had slightly under that, our peak it looks like was 205,000 cases and hospitalizations, 2,300. So your model times 10, was a pretty good forecast of what happened in England!

 

What we got from Sage, the government committee, was actually 600,000 to two million cases a day, as the maximum. And 3,000 to 10,000 hospitalizations a day, which is five times plus what actually happened.

 

I know that you can’t be responsible for anyone else’s modelling. But I just want to ask one more time. Can you understand how groups in other universities came up with such wildly different numbers? And it leads people to feel conspiratorial, feel distrusting of the whole process of mathematical modelling, that different groups of experts can come up with such divergent things! What should we think about that difference, to try and understand it?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: I know that uncertainty and insecurity intervals that you have in these models, they’re really a difficult thing to communicate. We also had some issues to even communicate the span in our models. Because that’s also equally a wide span. And it is actually quite difficult to communicate, because when you do handle an epidemic, you want to be quite certain. And you can’t always have these certainties in models.

 

So basically, it comes back to what can you use a model for? And how do you interpret these uncertainties, into how to handle the epidemic? So there can be a number of reasons why they actually projected this, and why the span was so large. I think we saw it in other models trying to estimate, or project the Omicron wave, we also saw it in some of the Norwegian models that also had a quite a large span. And as I just said before, we also saw that in the Danish models in the beginning, where we have a lot of uncertainties.

 

But it is really a continuous work to inform your models and try to understand what is going on exactly in your country.

 

For instance, in our models, we have put in some assumptions about people also changing their behaviour underneath. So when cases go up, you actually see a population behaviour change. And that has been one of the key figures in our model, that we actually can see that people change behaviour, whenever cases go up. So that’s actually putting a lid on the top of our model, so to say.

 

Freddie Sayers: That’s very interesting. Because that’s explicitly something that the models that fed into the British government were not asked to consider.

 

So I’ve read within the Warwick model, for example, they say it is beyond the scope of this model to estimate endogenous, or natural behaviour changes that aren’t mandated. That’s a pretty significant difference! It could explain most of the difference even, couldn’t it?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, at least we saw, it was really important in Denmark. And we have been working quite a lot with our models for the last two years, and seeing that it was really an important thing to put in the model, these behaviour changes.

 

The other thing is about susceptible depletion, simply having no people anymore being susceptible of being infected. So you can have small groups, for instance, age groups, or specific geographical areas, where you start to see that there’s simply no longer any people susceptible to the infection. And then it starts to burn out more, or less. And that is also related to how you build up your model, if you actually can detect these susceptible depletions.

 

So there can be some small details in each model that actually defines whether you have these peak shaving, as we call it.

 

Freddie Sayers: Because that, what you’ve just mentioned, is another thing that has been so talked about, and so important in the last two years. Which is when a new wave is just getting going and everyone is talking about the doubling rate, it’s going to double every two days, or double every one day, or three days. And everyone then just extrapolates that for as long as they need until it gets into the millions. And everyone gets very frightened.

 

And then what seems to happen in the real world is that pace of exponential growth doesn’t last. And we get to a slowing down for other reasons, that are not to do with government intervention. Is that fair? Do you observe that, is that what you mean by this susceptible depletion?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: It’s more, or less, what I mean. Well, the susceptible depletion is, for instance, if you had a really high peak in schoolchildren, at some point, you wouldn’t have any more pupils that you could have infected, simply because the reproduction number in that specific group would be below one. So there wouldn’t be enough people to infect to actually keep it going in that group.

 

And that means that you would take out some of the growth of the epidemic. That’s what we call “susceptible depletion”. And you can have that in the whole population. You can also have it in areas, or small pockets of your population.

 

And the other thing is that behavioural changes. And that’s sort of a different matter. That is more so whenever you see, for instance, in Denmark, we had the municipalities sending links out on Facebook, or in your social media feeds. So now, case counts are really high in your area, it could be in your Parish, or in your municipality. And we would need to do something if case counts don’t go down.

 

So people would try to actually go and have a test, or they would actually annul a party, cancel a party, or do something differently than what they had actually planned. That we actually saw, that people try to change their behaviour simply to have the case count going down in that area.

 

Freddie Sayers: In other words, it doesn’t need to be a law.

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: No.

 

Freddie Sayers: People actually have common sense. And they have a brain. And they can observe what’s happening and adjust their behaviour anyway.

 

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Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, they do to some extent. And, of course, that also has a limitation. I mean, to some extent, you don’t really regulate yourself that much. You still need to go to work, you still need to send your children to school. So it also has a limitation of course. But we did see that it is a factor that actually plays a role.

 

And that is also to a high degree what you saw in Sweden. So even though we didn’t have the government mandating lockdowns, you actually saw that people would actually change the behaviour accordingly. So when you do try to measure the restriction level, it was kind of similar actually in Sweden, because people simply self regulated their behaviour.

 

Freddie Sayers: Are you worried about the role that your discipline and expertise has had in this pandemic? It’s become very controversial. At least here in the UK. Lots of people are happy to bash the modellers, because they always seem to be getting everything wrong. And there’s this presumption that they are fear mongers, or they’re trying to always look to the worst case scenario. How does your discipline emerge from this period, do you think? Is it’s reputation damaged?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: I know that there has been quite an, so to say, an issue that you really need to communicate these spans and uncertainties. But I still think that mathematical modelling has a place in how we inform our decision makers to know what’s lying ahead.

 

Freddie Sayers: When you’re building that model, when you’re instructing your team, and you’re sitting there, and there’s big pressure because the health of the nation depends on it. Do you feel pressure to err on the side of caution, ever? When you’re choosing what presumptions to make, or what inputs to put, or ranges, do you feel the sense that it might be safer to presume the worst? Or have you never felt that?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: No. [chuckling] We don’t do it like that! It’s really a large team and we try to use all our best knowledge in epidemiology, our best knowledge of vaccine effectiveness, all the estimates that we need to put in the model, we always strive to be updated, and to have the newest figures and newest information to inform our models.

 

So it is really a huge job to update these models and make sure that we understand what is going on in the model and that we can actually have the correct parameters in it.

 

And that is a quite a big task to keep up to speed all the time. And especially when you change variants all the time. And you don’t have that information, you need to choose really carefully, …

 

Freddie Sayers: So you block out any sense of whether it might be politically more welcome to veer one way, or the other. And you just try to make the best estimate?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Yeah. So in Denmark, we are a small country. So we don’t have that many model groups as you do in UK. But it is actually a combination of experts from different universities that are sitting together and doing these models. And it’s completely an external expert group. We only have a few modellers that are actually situated in the Statens Serum Institut. So they are detached from the political situation.

 

So they sit and simply do these models the same as you do in UK, basically. But they’re not really affected by the political level. So we always strive to use the information we have in hand.

 

Freddie Sayers: Camilla, what do we need to persuade you to come over here to the UK? Because there may be some vacancies in the modelling community coming up, I believe?

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: Well, [chuckling] I think the modelling community need to get together and look into each other’s successes and failures. We also have failures. I guess we can share the knowledge and build a stronger model community, ahead.

 

Freddie Sayers: Dr. Camilla Holten Moller, thank you so much for talking to us.

 

Dr. Camilla Moller: You’re welcome.

 

Freddie Sayers: That was Dr. Camilla Holten Moller from the Danish Public Health Institute. She is in charge of the mathematical modelling for Covid over in Denmark.

 

And it is on her advice that the Danish government has decided to do a bonfire of the Covid restrictions and reopen society from the first of February!

 

Interesting there to meet one of these modellers. There’s a lot of talk about how flawed, or complex mathematical models related to Covid have been. She seems like a very common sense and intelligent person. And sometimes I was wishing that maybe she would come over here to the UK and replace some of the Sage modellers that have made our lives so complicated for the past year and a half.

 

Thank you to her, and thanks for tuning in! This was UnHerd.

 

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UnHerd
3 days ago
Has Denmark made the right call by dumping all its covid restrictions?
If you found this video interesting, please do suggest other topics we should investigate in the comments below and don’t forget to subscribe, like and share this video – it helps other people find it!
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Raireva
3 days ago
Compare other coronaviruses dynamics in relationship to CoV2…also the corresponding fluctuation of immunity over the seasons
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Gary RunForSteFun
3 days ago
Yes
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David Tomkinson
3 days ago
Indeed!
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Tan Tan
3 days ago
Yes
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chechay nidup
3 days ago
out of topic- has anyone ever told you that you look/handsome version of Prince William?
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WitSystem
3 days ago
Absolutely- now we must deal with the far greater burgeoning problem of a myocarditis, cancer and blood clot epidemic.
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CARPO719
3 days ago
Yes they have absolutely done the right thing, knowing that Omicron is dominant, the vaccines don’t completely block it, and how contagious it is we will all get it. time to get back to our lives
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Red Baron
3 days ago (edited)
Unfortunately my comments are getting erased. Don‘t know why though because I have made a topic suggestion which is about Technocracy and Techno Feudalism (as coined by Yanis Varoufakis). Not sure what is triggering youtube but this kind of algorithm censorship is also a good topic.
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apan gurra
3 days ago
Yes! Well done!
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Madelaine Morch
3 days ago
There is severe illness from the vaccine as well!
Denmark has a very high level of vaccinated, the ever highest level of cases and the excess mortality significant highest in 2021.
Natural immunity is the key to stop this circus in my opinion and I don’t understand why Denmark chose the risk to vaccinate the children.
I am though very happy that they choose to stop all covid laws because many countries still have Denmark as role model and hopefully this will make the example trustful to copy the sooner the better!
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Megan McConaghy
3 days ago
Yes absolutely I believe they have made the right call! Now lets focus on strengthening people’s physical and mental health with encouraging healthy foods, exercise, and most importantly, allowing personal freedom and choice
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Deborah Hebblethwaite
3 days ago
Yes. Canada should follow suit
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Marleen Codougan
3 days ago
Yes, it has made the right choices.
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Luann Rouff
3 days ago
Of course. The plandemic would have been over a long time ago had it been able to move through the population. That’s what the immune system is for. If it isn’t up to the task, then fix that. Don’t expect any government agency to protect you. They’re all compromised, with a revolving door to industry.
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Christian e.g.
3 days ago
YES!!! Denkark is leading the way out of this manmade debacle! But dropping all the draconian measures is not enough! Those responsible for perpetrating this whole scam upon the world need to be held accountable in a Nuremberg 2.0 trial! Starting with Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and the virus’ creator Anthony Fauci! And we need to revisit the publicly hang the perpetrators just as we hung their predecessors in the first Nuremberg trial
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H H
3 days ago
Denmark has made the right call. The government is deadlier than ANY virus
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Bea Klu
3 days ago
What next? „You own nothing and you Happy”.
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Bea Klu
3 days ago
WHO New Constitution coming new rules for all countries, more control over health.
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Christian e.g.
3 days ago
@Bea Klu there are more of us than there are of klaus schwab’s minions. If his impish minions start returning to him with their property-confiscation orders stuffed sideways up their anal cavities, klaus schwab might think twice about confiscating the world’s personal property
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KLRJUNE
3 days ago
I’ve often heard Denmark is the most medicated country in the world (antidepressants). I have no idea if it is true but someone started saying that for a reason.
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N Sudatta-Roy
3 days ago
@CARPO719 Vacks are completely ineffective against omicron. It would be interesting to learn what the percent of difference between this and delta.
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Corina
3 days ago
Your interviews are always brilliant Freddy. Thank you. I’m interested to know when I can visit family in the USA without proof of vaccine.
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Chee Yong Pek
3 days ago
how about a topic on what could be done to facilitate the change that we hope to see? perhaps to fight the misinformation put out in the MSM.
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Drew Dam
3 days ago
Yes.
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Karen Barry
3 days ago
As Jonny cash says. You have to know when to fold them know when to hold them know when to walk away know when to run !
It’s time to run again and get back to our lives and change our horrible policies n stop polluting our world with filthy masks n over use of testing kits !
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Gypsy Anna
3 days ago
@Karen Barry LOL! Hahaha. You meant Kenny Rogers. That was not a song by Johnny Cash.
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donepearce
3 days ago
Yes, this is the correct response. Vaccination has done its job keeping people alive during the early, intense form of the disease. Now Covid is dropping into the background as just another virus we have to live with – it is not going away. Of course, if in the future a more virulent strain emerges, restrictions can always be re-applied.
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ann harding
3 days ago
This is correct information. One has to work hard to find it!! That is corruption.
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Toto
3 days ago
We have enough data to conclude mRNA technology is not viable. Keep on financing it and more importantly keeping alive the very heavy logistics chain it requires makes no sense at all. Some countries like France and the US or Canada because they have woke government still hope (or pretend to hope) the HIV vaccine will be here in 2023 (Moderna said so) and they want to keep on pouring money in the logistics chain. But it makes no economical sense
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donepearce
3 days ago
@Toto Restrictions have certainly had an effect. With isolation and masks I have not had a single illness – even a cold – for two years. I quite like that, and I intend to continue wearing a mask in enclosed public spaces. I don’t need instructions from a government to make sensible decisions.
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James Smith
3 days ago
Stop chasing echo chambers! There are plenty of unheard people who disagree with your core audience. Try challenging yourself and them. The closest you got to that recently was the Israeli doctor. How about engaging with someone with an opinion on China different to the Global North like Daniel Dumbrill or Carl Zha or countless others? Otherwise, you’re just another edgy YouTube channel inviting the same traveling circus that all the other edgy channels do.
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Drew Dam
3 days ago
Excellent review, thank you and thank you Camilla.
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Drew Dam
3 days ago
@Karen Barry yes, exactly. I like your quotes, too. Have you, by chance, read the disclaimers on the packaging for the ‘masks’, where it says that the masks allow particles to pass through the things!
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Drew Dam
3 days ago (edited)
@donepearce 17,371 is the number of deaths in the UK from Covid-19 since the ‘pandemic’ began. And, you ‘believe’ that the vaccines have saved a lot of lives? If you would like to have the source for this information, please ask…
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donepearce
3 days ago
@Drew Dam I understand neither your “data” nor your point

Drew Dam
3 days ago
Yes, I do have a very specific topic, current and very much in vogue, that I would like to pass onto you via a secure link. It is more than controversial so how can we communicate?
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Revolution Underground
3 days ago
All covid restrictions are out of date anyway
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donepearce
3 days ago
@Drew Dam I’m really not interested. But thank you

BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
@Red Baron Happens for me too – vree speeech my ace..

Drew Dam
3 days ago
@Revolution Underground Quite so, from day one! Sadly, it didn’t stop the economies of the world from crashing with overspending on needless pharmaceutical resources. Those over-educated, over-paid doctors struck yet again…
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Drew Dam
3 days ago
@BØRGE ODK With the current bout of disinformation regarding Earth ‘changes’, there is going to be a great deal more culls of worthwhile livestock, and minks are truly undervalued considering the coming ‘changes’…
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Drew Dam
3 days ago
@donepearce if you are so disinterested, why did you bother to comment? Fear of the truth has shyed you away…
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Toto
3 days ago
@donepearce as a result your immune system is probably weaker. Your choice.
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donepearce
3 days ago
@Drew Dam I comment on what I want, and I need no gratuitous judgement from you. Kindly fuck off. Oh, and look up the meaning of disinterested; you got the wrong word.

A#123
3 days ago
Heard that the government are quietly planning on changing the human rights policy?? Good you look into that?

BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
@Drew Dam Unless enough stop going full Stockholm syndrome”..

Drew Dam
3 days ago
@A#123 Oh, yes. No human rights is on the way. Earth’s catastrophe cycle in an over populated world, with no food, means hard times ahead. Who needs human rights, thinks the Governments of the world?
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Madasin Paine
3 days ago
@Red Baron avoid urls except for YouTube’s.
Cite references the old fashioned way, but even then, on channels under duress by the censoring algorithm and turned up higher, even citing names of other media, like one of the big three US newspapers can get automatic or instant deletion of the comment.
Apparently typing out too many trigger words or phrases amy get instant deletion.
Try breaking up your comment and avoid trending vocabulary, especially proper nouns and meme words, particularly if any of this makes the US Chamber of Commerce or Gov or oligarchs look bad or phrasing qualifies the overly vague broad seemingly arbitrary and capricious Y T violation rules or more accurately highly tilted “guidelines”.
But what do I know‽
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Drew Dam
3 days ago (edited)
@A#123 I apologise, very few people have awareness of the Earth’s catastrophe cycle so it is a little unfair of me to spring it on an unsuspecting person. It is the sort of subject, along with pre-deluvian civilisations, that should have been taught to us when we were children at school. Instead, academia prefered that we remain dumb, so they could earn money by selling us false details in their ‘history’ books and they decided to conceal our real history. If you require more information, please ask…
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Madasin Paine
3 days ago
@Christian e.g.
Pop quiz. If typically a viral pandemic pitters out within 3 years, we should see what’s happening in Denmark London or South Africa or most elsewhere, regardless if the overbearing science lacking protocols of the wealthy West were employed or not.
Billions of humans will not be “fully vaccinated” and yet cases per hundred thousand are amongst the highest in places like Denmark London or many other extremely wealthy metropolitan corridors of the heavily inoculated Ivy like league anchored cities in blue states.
Let’s see which major or popular media or social media channel is the first to repeatedly hammer that answer home breathlessly over and over day after day, first thing out of their mouth
Don’t hold your breath.
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Madasin Paine
3 days ago (edited)
@KLRJUNE
About 9 million relatively speaking extremely well cared for people on a big sparsely populated isolated northern country, island qualities, nit entirely mind you, and they are well educated, have excellent services, tech penetration, communication, relatively homogeneous, and most importantly they have more control over and faith in their government.
If you want to die with CV, be very old, obese, have syndrome X, live in the southern US, be poor, in a crowded poor community, and or live as such in NYC estranged and isolated from “loved ones” and get forced into a nursing home full of similarly vulnerable victims.
Now compare that to how children old folks and fools are handled in Denmark.
Something is rotten in the U$.
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Edgar Karam
3 days ago
I have a question in regards to comparing the severity of covid variants. The question, which I feel should be obvious, is “how can anyone seriously compare effects of variants on a shifting population sample?”. I believe that the hyper vulnerable percentage of the population have been significantly reduced by previous variants. We are now looking at a different population sample and comparing the effects of new variants unfairly.
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Russell Brown
3 days ago
Sweden had it correctly judged and so did the the good doctor that was lampooned very early into the plandemic whose message about virology and immunology has been proven to be correct all along (I’m sure I would butcher the good doctor’s name). The “narrative” had people to ignore him because his expertise was in veterinary medicine. What about the US Naval vessel whose crew was 100% vaccinated, yet suffered a COVID outbreak. There are many other examples of this and contradicts what Dr. Holten-Moller claims about Denmark’s vaccine effectiveness. “Our response to the virus has caused more death and misery than the virus” – Jordan Petersen. “The Omicron variant is the vaccine we never made” – Dr. Machacha, Ugandan doctor.
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Shakti Kumar Kurup
3 days ago
Investigate Canadian Freedom Convoy and their MSM media. There are lots of misinformation coming out of there
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Drew Dam
3 days ago
@Edgar Karam If only the Governments of the day thought as sinscintly as you do, then the whole pharmaceutical mess that they have created may have been a lot less complex. Only 17,371 deaths occured in the UK as a direct result of Corvid-19 (source provided upon request), not exactly close to the 137,133 number quoted by the NHS. The real ‘problem’ is elsewhere, but I like the construction of you query.
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BG
3 days ago
Document everything you get… And make the ultimate truth documentary so the responsibles are truly held responsible for this nightmare of humanity. The periode we are living in is a disgrace for humanity.
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Doctors’ Bury Their Mistakes
3 days ago
Freddie what a great interview mate, such a big eye-opener. Sadly from the very beginning Australia clumsily got all the Covid 19 modelling wrong, so called “experts” with big egos, seem to be agenda driven by control freak, dictatorial politicians. Their police attacking good people, knocking them to the ground, putting them in gaol with massive $$$fines. Police barging into homes, loud police helicopters hovering around 24/7 like a war zone, politicians encouraging violence against the citizens. Australian universities have become corrupt, pay to play universities for millions of questionable? Chinese and Indian students, they all pass regardless and get citizenship?? Fair dinkum Aussies should be sending their children to a University in Denmark, the universities in Australia are bad, the degrees are worthless, almost a joke.
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Madasin Paine
3 days ago
@Doctors’ Bury Their Mistakes
It must be a tremendous wake up call and a demoralizing engaging one at that, especially those that initially were gung ho law and order oriented.
Do you feel like you have a lot of company amongst peers or on the “fringe”.
Its very troubling to me to take in your countries increasingly dire authoritarian turns of event. But I believe the roots and seeds are not so new foe this happening.
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Shan Rafnezden
3 days ago
YES!!!

Madasin Paine
3 days ago
Hold the course and stay on it. People will be astounded when they find decent work in the media to view. They’ll always be critics who take pop shots mostly through logical fallacies and ad hominem attacks —don’t let them get you down because you’ll never please everybody.
Be patient but persistent and not too greedy and your audience will eventually find you.
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Kylie Jones
3 days ago
Yes!!
Great interview.

Kylie Jones
3 days ago
@Owlish Art ok, whatever.

American Exile
3 days ago
Yes. The right call.

Corrina
3 days ago
@chechay nidup I’d save he looks related to Henry Cavill :]
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Corrina
3 days ago
Yes, Cyprus needs to do the same – they rely heavily on tourism, and nobody will want to go on holiday to a place with unnecessarily strict measures !

chechay nidup
3 days ago
@Corrina Ah..Yes, I see the resemblence:)

so dumb that i think for myself
2 days ago
this pandemic has been nothing but political one, this was clear after about 3 months had passed, n first lockdowns obviously made no much difference to “cases” yet affected esp young ppl’s mental health a lot, started to kill businesses, jobs etc. but i assume that restrictions will come back, either soon with next “variant” or with next “pandemic”. the pushers of this bs won’t give up so easily, esp now that moderna got fully authorized.
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Simon Brownbridge
2 days ago
@Madasin Paine Now you are getting closer to the truth of how ill health and sickness works. Additionally, where have the lockdowns created the most social pain? In poor confined lower class communities, more vulnerable to overcrowding, social and family difficulties, less access to services….and certainly not able to have organic food box deliveries, access to exercise, spending freely on Amazon , working from home and so on.
I am disgusted by the smugness and self righteousness of the wealthier members of my community who are vaxxed up to the eyeballs and shuffling around in muzzles. Their concern is only to self safety. They should coughup a tithe to help those who have suffered loss these past 2 years, starting with the po.itical and public servant classes.
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nadogrl
2 days ago
Absolutely!

John Buchman
2 days ago
@WitSystem Also autoimmune and neurological disorders as well as strokes…
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John Buchman
2 days ago
@Christian e.g. I completely agree!
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John Buchman
2 days ago
@Bea Klu That will be the circumstances of those found guilty of Crimes Against Humanity in the upcoming Nuremberg Code of 1947 trials.

John Buchman
2 days ago
@donepearce The early treatments which were suppressed by the governments and big pharma (e.g., FLCCC) always were more effective and safer than the Experimental Gene Therapy shots!
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donepearce
2 days ago
@John Buchman will every conspiracy theorist just leave me alone? I have no interest in your paranoia

Barbara Osimani
2 days ago
Could you please post the link to the study? I searched around in the SSI website, but I am not sure about which is exaxtly the one that Dr. Holten-Møller is talking about. I would need this for a Letter we are writing to the Italian Ministry of Research and other policy makers in Italy.

Rich Thompson
2 days ago
I would love to hear an unbiased investigation into the Canadian truckers story. There appears to be a media push to smear the protestors as simultaneously swastika bearing, while also opposing what they perceive to be fascist policies, which is a bizarre angle and like Christians protesting against Christmas!! Whether mandatory vaccination is justifiable for Omicron is clearly a perfectly reasonable debate to be had. The fact that many journalists are keen to just focus their reporting on a handful of bad actors in this protest and not state the views
of the peaceful majority in good faith, is a concerning trend that has been seen in Europe and Australia too. Clearly, the situation is not akin to the worse moments of authoritarianism but the passive normalization of state coercion, scapegoating, segregation, surveillance and suppression are not things that those educated and believe in liberal democracy should blindly ignore.
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donepearce
2 days ago
@Rich Thompson An unbiased investigation? How would that work. Everybody has an opinion. The moment you decide to talk to this person before that person you have thrown in a bias. The cameraman who chooses exactly where to point his camera has already edited the picture in line with his views
. Bias is unavoidable.
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Rich Thompson
2 days ago
@donepearce I completely agree that an element of bias is unavoidable and we are all human. I do trust good journalists like Freddie to ask the right questions and represent the key issues in a more balanced and nuanced manner than others. That is why we love Unherd, we are tired of biased soundbites, we like people who take the care to delve into an issue responsibly, so we can make an informed opinion.
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P Mustart
2 days ago
Thank you for this brilliant discussion by both interviewer and interviewee.
As a south African I am aghast that the UK and some other countries did not take seriously the early evidence of low omicron severity that we shouted out to the rest of the world
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donepearce
2 days ago
@Rich Thompson When I see someone describe a journalist as unbiased I translate that internally as meaning they broadly agree with that person’s viewpoint, but are not too blatant about it.

Rich Thompson
2 days ago
@donepearce I see where you are coming from. I do value the Unherd style of long form good faith journalism with some tough questioning too. I feel this a better method to get to the facts and make an informed opinion vs the sensationalist opinionated journalism that likes to polarize with one side of the story for clicks and comments. We are all prone to biases of course but I try to hear from a variety of sources to escape the echo chamber, as much as possible.
I have repeatedly heard these type of protests are full of far right hooligans. Out of curiosity, I attended one last year and found it to be full of peaceful, educated, concerned citizens with reasonable questions about Gov over reach. Some of whom were former political prisoners, who warned of the dangers of segregation, censorship and divided societies we have seen during this pandemic and cautioned these were fertile ground for the further centralization of power, Are they hyper sensitive in these concerns because of their trauma or are they greater attuned to early warning signs having lived through it? It’s an important conversation we should have.
I saw a picture of one of the truckers, who lived under Ceausescu and drew parralels with Trudeau. I find it interesting why he thinks that. Is he crazy and being dramatic or is he seeing something that those who have not had that experience do not?
Whenever those with different views
are painted as pariahs, I want to know whether that is really an accurate portrayal or just political smears. After all, they are just advocating for policies similar to those that the UK and Denmark have. I trust Freddie to do a good interview here.
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Rich Thompson
2 days ago
@P Mustart Well said!

RememberAllah
2 days ago
Idk bro, but I have the omicron right now and I’m very sick! The pain in my upper back is extreme too. Not mild in my case….

Amanda Thurston
2 days ago
We should of done it last week!

Amanda Thurston
2 days ago
@KLRJUNE lol, probably from the studies that say Danes are the happiest country of people ,and someone twisted it and said it’s because of drugs, my husband NEEDS some chill pills but his doctor won’t write for them.

Amanda Thurston
2 days ago
@BØRGE ODK I SECOND THAT, the handling, and bullying was a Total disgrace ! And the zombie returning to the surface, what an amateur move! It’s really tainted my belief that the gov is capable of handling the most basic simple tasks, even I could of told them burying a billion bodies in a shallow grave, near water would make it toxic and end very badly. A little common since, Incinerate on site, would of solved the slu of horror stories before it began, We wouldn’t of had mink on playgrounds, we wouldn’t have had truckloads of mink stolen for example, I do believe it was a disgusting political stunt to handle it so badly, so the industry could never recover, handling it all to China on a silver platter, because EVERYONE knows that the animals have rights there (insert major sarcasm)
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Amanda Thurston
2 days ago
@Drew Dam Denmark had 60% on the industry, and guess who had 40% ? CHI-ñAh guess who has a monopoly now?

René Borg
2 days ago
yes. given all the assumptions underlying the current ‘health crisis’ are demonstrable false and there is no clear justification for any measures, they should never have been employed in the first place
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Joe
2 days ago
That’s a resounding yes from me.

Jens Angelsgaard
2 days ago
Camilla is a paid government talking head. Pure Puke!
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GC
2 days ago
Are those responsible for the pandemic ever going to be exposed ?
Are they releasing new variants…e.g. ” NeoCoV ” ??
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tfbbm
2 days ago
yes.
suggestion: how the “pandemic” coincided with when the aerodynamically shaped 2 dimensional printed metal aerosol fumigation making sea-ground level 2020. Everywhere on Earth at this time is breathing the contents of the insides of a hologram screen.
“H.A.A.R.P.” is a big part of it. The jets spraying the fumigation and the trails of are getting edited out of the open air sky. It has already begun.
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Elaine Steers
2 days ago
Yes

vadane vadas
2 days ago
Still, a lot of deliberate damage has been done to the society! We can’t forget about it. If we do, we’ll have similar story gain in the future.
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P.A. Arsenault
2 days ago
You need to change the focus of the conversation. I am worried these vaccine mandating governments are going to call victory for their strategies and they will never admit Ivermectin strategy in India was more succesful.
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Richard Smith
2 days ago
If I was a young grad student and I wanted to study epidemiological modelling I would certainly rather study with this lady and learn how do to create proper models rather than learn from either Ferguson or Medley!

Cinderella De Vil
2 days ago
@donepearce that is not a sensible decision. We as a species got to this point by exercising our immunity. A cold will not kill you. It will keep your natural immunity fit, and will keep it from turning against yourself.
Much of the autoimmune diseases which are on the increase in the west is the result of too much hygene.
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Cinderella De Vil
2 days ago
@Drew Dam I am a doctor, and I am opposed to mass vaccination. I believe the West has gone mad. This is a narcissistic madness. Only people at risk should be vaccinated. And we should spend the savings from fewer jabs in tailoring individual immunization for the vulnerable.
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tattooair inc
2 days ago
Probably because someone in the Danish government has finally watched a recording of NBC Nightly News on January 24, 2021. Then they finally understood the reality. https://youtu.be/BTQAAZ-7OqQ

LadyWatchingBird
2 days ago
Yes they have.

Jenn Roberts
2 days ago
@Christian e.g. there would be back to back hangings. So many perpetrators….. worldwide
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Jenny Eyles
2 days ago
Gain of Function Experiments:- Whether the Sars-Cov2 virus escaped from a high security bio lab or not, why is there no public discussion on banning the Gain of Function experiments?
The GoF lab leaks are clearly very dangerous, but no one mentions it.
Are we all self censoring on that topic?
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Jan van der Zanden
2 days ago
@Madelaine Morch Yes, that’s the only point in Camilla’s exposé that is imo fundamentally wrong. But: that’s not her discipline/expert area.

tattooair inc
2 days ago
@Jenny Eyles https://youtu.be/ihjNDf32_Ac

Veda Vyasa
1 day ago
sorry, Danmark is not the first. Bosnia and Herzegovina was the first country free from V-pass and mandatory vaccination, because of lawyer Mirnes Ajanovic, who successfuly protected human rights on the basis of the the constitutional law. Please Ask him how he managed this 2 month ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWIDJM4u4I&t=3437s Here is also italian interview with him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za6Nu18qO3o&t=2825s
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La Mel
1 day ago
Please, interview Dr. Tess Lawrie about ivermectin saga and let her play the recorded conversation with Dr. David Hill revealing he was coerced by Unitaid to change his conclusions about the benefit of ivermectin in C19 in 2020.

Sander Bauwens
1 day ago
Yes!

Moe No
1 day ago
ABSOLUTELY YES

Moe No
1 day ago
RememberAllah do you wear a necklace? If so what type of metal?

Jethro Bodine
1 day ago
Yes, but I think she was evasive about modelling per se, and the implication that the restrictions were right in the first place bothers me.

Angeline Briscoe-Sperling
1 day ago
I find the video very good. Just to add, Ireland has been free for many weeks.
Two important topics are; the adverse effects of vaccines and how injured people are not getting help or even recognition.
Another important topic is the surpression of medication and treatments that have cost many lives.
These topics are important because if ” it” happens again, the power will be in knowledge and may prevent it happening again.
These two topics have not been researched enough and not been made public.
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Andrew Messer
1 day ago
Yes they have done the right thing. May all countries follow swiftly

Murilo Borges
19 hours ago
Yes…everyone shoud have fallowed Sweden since beginning

Annkristin Barnes
15 hours ago (edited)
@Madelaine Morch There was also the threat of a draconian pandemic law earlier in Denmark, which stated that foreign military personel could be used to forcibly va**inate the public in case of an “emergency”. As I recall, it was altered after massive protests, but not abolished entirely? We are concerned in Sweden that our government is planning to override our constitution with something similar.
The remaining threat of these un-lawful laws should be discussed widely!
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antropologue
10 hours ago
Topic: the lack of constitutional citizenship (only found in constitutions) is killing the European societies.

mickeyh1961
10 hours ago
Yes and yes

Susan Winchcombe
7 hours ago
Good, about time countries started to get back to normal, but I’m afraid she lost me when she said the vaccine covers all Corona viruses, if that’s the case why are people Co tracing for a second time, one own immune system copes far better with variants!

Md. Ahsun Raju
7 hours ago
An investigation should be done about Denmark. It has fucked enough by importing & marketing China Lock down. It has surely got from the evil gates NWO, WEF

Joshua
5 hours ago
I was intrigued about all the intense media focus on the so called “Vaccine Inequity” in Sub-Saharan Africa. Since when does the media give a rats ass about those folks? I did some research: Most of these countries have a vax rate<3% and also have the lowest infection rates in the World. Conversely those countries with a vax rate>65% have the highest infection rates. Aside from being dangerous on other levels, it looks to me like the vax increases the infection rate drastically. This Sub Saharan “control group” for the “experiment” cannot be allowed to reveal the truth, that is why there is a push to jab them all and eliminate the control group, IMHO. I was stunned by the range of numbers, nothing close that could be attributed to “noise”. This is certainly a smoking gun!
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H L
2 hours ago
Its not covid laws, they’re all measures! Shldve asked her why they use incorrect terms.

Number 7
2 days ago
I love Fred’s style of interviews.
Appears to not have an agenda. Or if he does, he keeps it to himself.
Old fashioned journalism. Tough fair questions. And letting the person speak, but not unchallenged.
Breath of fresh air.
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WithMetta
6 hours ago
He always has an agenda which he never good at concealing. He repeatedly asked this interview subject leading questions to support his views
, and she consistently pushed back. I’m old enough to remember “old fashioned journalism” where reporters were expected to come from a place of neutrality. It’s a very difficult thing to do, and it’s absolutely not what you are watching here. It’s alarming, really, that this can pass for reportage without agenda. Seems the consumer no longer understands what neutral reporting looks like. This ain’t it, and he knows it.
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devonmackify
3 days ago
I am happy to hear this and I hope that this translates into others paying attention. Thanks from Canada !
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Not even close… Politics – the “brain dead” guvment(al) went against the experts in the start, and have lyed and lyed and.. Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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sunflower
2 days ago
Have you notice mainstream media, such as CBC is not talking about it. They want us to be fearful , so that we keep on watching the news on CBC …I am so done with them.
Dr John Campbell from the UK was right all along he has his own channel, watch it if you can….over one million of subscribers…. That should count for something.
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codorin
2 days ago
Trudeau is not know for his smarts. he is more famous for his socks. hace fun in his ability to understand anything truthful.
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Andrew JS
2 days ago
Denmark and England have now both made the right decision on this in my opinion.
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Browneyez
1 day ago
Canada is waiting. Go truckers.
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DDS Rdds
1 day ago
BØRGE ODK only good this production are gone ,

Jens Angelsgaard
1 day ago
Unherd = UN-herd

Jens Angelsgaard
1 day ago (edited)
@BØRGE ODK YES – Germans and Scandinavians can easily see through UNherds tricky spin. The danish government is scared of its own earlier Covid lies
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Jens Angelsgaard
1 day ago
@Andrew JS – Is it the right decision to recently put legislation in place that can declare a new lockdown within the hour?
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Jens Angelsgaard
1 day ago (edited)
@ DDS – The danish government, police and army broke the danish constitution GRUNDLOVEN. This is the issue.
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Friendly One
5 hours ago
I’m praying Canadian Truckers can drive an 18-wheeler size hole through Trudeau’s tyranny.

Jesmond Mifsud
1 day ago
A country actually following the real science. Well done Denmark. Let’s hope that more countries follow this trend. It’s time to end this madness.
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Tosja Kaj
Tosja Kaj
14 hours ago
Рlus the echo of the Canadian protests..

Jonson Javier
12 hours ago
Denmark is one top happiest country in the world having less working hours per week, very high minimum wage rate with free university and medical and child care.
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Klaus Larsen
3 days ago
One of the unsong hero researchers of the pandemic. I am Danish but I did not know of her until today
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tule fogger
1 day ago
her IQ must be waaaayyyyyy up there, high up there (so awesome)

Paul Whetstone
3 days ago
Fantastic interview, Freddie! We desperately need more Danish-style culture in the US.
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Kate-o
Kate-o
3 days ago
They have a unified culture and respect life aka never happening in the US.
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FuskerFisker
3 days ago
I’m from denmark …and i’ll tell you it has not been easy to be in the group of 19 % not vaxx’ed. There has been a lot of out-shaming from the vaxx’ed people, but i guees it has been the same all over the world. Anyway peace and love to all the pure blooded, greetings from John in Denmark
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fck munch
3 days ago
@FuskerFisker exactly that mate. The shaming and segregation all over the world of the unvxd, by gov, media and vaxd people is utterly disgusting and appears to be just washed over when a person from the establishment appears to be reasonable all of a sudden. I see it as Stockholm syndrome. This isn’t over,, not by a long shot. Something stinks.
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FuskerFisker
3 days ago
@fck munch agree
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James Smith
3 days ago
Will never happen. The US is highly polarized, aided and abetted by the winner-takes-all political system. In Denmark, no single party has had majority rule since around 100 years!
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Not even close… Politics – the “brain dead” guvment(al) went against the experts in the start, and have lyed and lyed and.. Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
@FuskerFisker Knæk og bræk – hvis du er stangfisker..

FuskerFisker
3 days ago
@BØRGE ODK hehe Børge det er jeg …og nu varer det ikke længe inden vi skal igang med sæsonens sild i limfjorden ….glæder mig som et lille barn ;-D og dig ?
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
@FuskerFisker Deep shit. Bor 10 km fra nærmeste vand, og 30 fra “min” Gudenå, hvor jeg plejede at to-håndsflue “konstant”, hvis jeg havde tid/råd. Og jeg “kan ikke” nøjes med af og til – får laksefeber, når sæsonen starter, og abstinenser i dagevis efter en tur – som jeg reelt ikke kan, fordi kun MC og ingen steder at sikre tøj osv mens jeg fisker 1 km væk.. Surt show.. :/
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FuskerFisker
3 days ago (edited)
@BØRGE ODK du må have fat i en bil hvor grejet altid ligger klar …anyway, sådan gør jeg året rundt alternativt er en 30 eller 45 scooter ikke dum til at klare opgaven, hvis det handler om økonomi.
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
@FuskerFisker Det er om penge. Har haft bil, og gjort som du siger – men det er bil eller nyt tag eller nye vinduer eller tandlæge osv.. Førtidspension – fedt nok at det er DK, men stadig surt in the middle of nowhere, hvor jeg fx ik ku få internet eller havde mobildækningen, så jeg måtte opgive firmaet – og knækkede psykisk.. Og jeg her ikke rigtig tillid til to hjul mere, efter jeg smadrede et korsbånd 3-4 år siden, foruden at jeg som sagt skal parkere langt fra vandet lige op af en cykel og gangsti, hvor læderjakke, hjelm stangrør osv er lige til at tage med.. Nogle gange er oddsene bare imod en.. ;P
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Madasin Paine
3 days ago
@FuskerFisker
Thank you for telling US. We really need to learn of the success failures and challenges of countries like yours.
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Night Lily
2 days ago (edited)
yes, and in Canada! Canada’s handling of the pandemic has been pathetic.
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Allan Frost
2 days ago
And pay 50% tax?
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Eye of Horus
2 days ago
@FuskerFisker I find that horrible to hear. Too bad Freddie didn’t question her about that.

Craig Walters
2 days ago
It’s too late for us unfortunately. As soon as Trump uttered the words, “Democratic Party hoax”, we were doomed to lose this battle

Susan Drakenviller
2 days ago
@fck munch Well, I happen to be vaccinated and I never tried to convince others unless they ask my advice. However so many times I have been pressured by people not to get vaccinated, they call me a sheep, they bother me with their unfounded conspiracy theories and so on. All I hear is ‘elites’, ‘establishment!’ and no actual solid arguments. You know what stinks? Five former friends of mine dead of covid, all unvaccinated and members of their family too that they convinced not to protect themselves. Congratulations.
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fck munch
2 days ago
@Susan Drakenviller wow. Well, unfounded conspiracy theories? How about the fact that in 8 months, these new technologies have killed more people than in 30 years of all others combined. That’s official. Shame that when we try to share this information in a link it gets deleted by shittube or other guilty parties. Nothing to see here…just a coincidence i suppose. Not that we’re duty bound to provide this info. People have issues accepting it, on the whole, plus the colossal amount of other glaringly obvious social engineering and gaslighting tactics that have been used and officially admited. Try SAGE for one. And, as your story is so easily told, so is mine: everyone i know who’s had the poke is ill. Many people i know were refused treatment for other illnesses that could be easily treated but refusals of hospital admission made them drastically worse. Some are now dead. But of course, this is, i suppose, just a story to push my narrative. Not the “establishment elites” using utterly ridiculous policies which do the opposite of good, like refusing early treatmemts that have been proved to work time and time again. Oh no, not them. They never make billions by way of economic cronyism. No, never them. Enjoy your CBDC’s. The BIS and blackrock runs your info. You were warned. And I don’t give a monkeys.
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Susan Drakenviller
2 days ago
@fck munch Well if you don’t give a monkeys and don’t care, you are certainly not any better than the blackrocks, elites etc… and you are not worth talking to either.
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FuskerFisker
2 days ago
@Madasin Paine you’re velcome madasin, have a nice day

Milton Conde
2 days ago
@fck munch get a life
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Paul Whetstone
2 days ago
@Allan Frost …and get free health care, free education, free job training. Besides, if billionaires would just pony up, the average American wouldn’t be tax burdened.
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Allan Frost
2 days ago
@Paul Whetstone It is a long time since you have been in Denmark and don’t trust everything you read. Healthcare is the worst it has ever been, education is limited and you pay for books and so on, job training – maybe if you want to drive a bus. Many things have changed here over the last 25 years and not to the better!
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fck munch
2 days ago
@Milton Conde i have one thanks. And i intend to keep it.

fck munch
2 days ago
@Susan Drakenviller and you addressed no points in my original comment, which i addressed to someone else, which you used to reply to me. The segeragation is utterly disgusting. And you are no better than blackrock and the BIS if you just wash over that. Which i feel was your origin intent anyways. You just wanted a dig. Well done. Keep digging.
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Susan Drakenviller
2 days ago
@fck munch You haven’t heard me defending ‘segregation’ so what is your problem, what’s the dig?
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Paul Whetstone
2 days ago
@Allan Frost I’ve visited Denmark several times in the last 10 years because my wife’s side of the family lives there. I believe them when they tell me the US is about the last place they would ever want to live.
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Allan Frost
2 days ago
@Paul Whetstone I am not saying USA is a better place. But Denmark is getting more and more like the US.
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db
2 days ago
thats impossible, it’s an oxymoron basically

Rock On
2 days ago
Nope. Utterly corrupt society!
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fck munch
2 days ago
@Susan Drakenviller the shaming and segregation was the main point of my comment – to someone else. You washed over that and had a ramble about something different. You didn’t even address the main point. Instead you decided to talk about conspiracy theorists. Wtf! All of what i responded to you originally is easily verifiable facts and you didnt address any of it. Whether you like it or not, the “establishment” has it’s grip into just about everything, including CBDC’s which are a priority with regard to economic surveillance. You failed to address that also.
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Rock On
2 days ago
@FuskerFisker no shame in Africa for not taking white man’s poison. Locals know the poison is in the injection. Tanzania discovered this when sterilizing agents were in vaccines.
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Rock On
2 days ago
@fck munch no shame in Africa over not being vaccinated!
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fck munch
2 days ago
@Rock On Tanzania’s team didn’t fair so well with that rebellion. Shame, the president was very funny with his testing labelling, foiling their rigged tests. I would’ve liked to have seen more of him and his team. But they seen it a mile away. They weren’t daft.

Susan Drakenviller
2 days ago
@fck munch Did I? My point was that as much as people complain about shaming and ‘segregations’, they never consider the other side being harassed by them for having a completely valid different opinion. And again I am for free choice not mandates, however I never heard any convincing argument not too.
You are just stating that your facts are easily verifiable but sorry they are not. You can believe that but you are wrong.The only thing that supports it is your idea that the ‘establishment’ or what not is corrupt. People aren’t dying or ill because of the vaccine.
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Faz A
2 days ago
“High Trust in health authority” as rare as humanity in humans.
“SAGE, UK: people were “too relaxed about the pandemic.”
It then urged the government to increase ‘the perceived level of personal threat…”
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FuskerFisker
2 days ago
@Rock On so nice to hear …maybe i should go and live there …only 2,3 % vaxxed in tanzania sounds good in my ears
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D JSV
1 day ago
Here in Sweden no one wears masks indoors nor outdoors. Not in shops, not in restaurants, not in schools, not on buses. And no one is fighting, screaming or building their identity on this issue. Not only are masks not required, the health authorities don’t even recommend wearing them (with a handful of exceptions).
We stuoidly and recently introduced a very limited Covid passport (for some venues with 100+ people)
We are, rather famously, not a ‘right wing’ country. Nor are we anti-science. Watching the hysteria in America and the absolute hate is very depressing. Swedes are a very strange and paradoxical bunch. They can both be incredibly independent (going its own way policywise during the entire pandemic) but also cringe-inducing copycats. So far we have largely succeeded in holding the morons who want to copy the US culture war and hatred of unmasked/unvaxed at bay. I hope it stays that way.
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D JSV
1 day ago
@FuskerFisker I’m in Sweden. Unvaxed and doing fine. Not been exposed to too much shaming and none in person (though I’m independent so that helps).
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FuskerFisker
1 day ago
@D JSV the outshaming starts when they find out i was unwaxxed …i standed up to my rights and showed what freedom is about, so i was never scared of telling who i am. i’m glad to hear you not had been exposed to such thing. hav det godt kære svenske nabo
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FuskerFisker
1 day ago
@D JSV i loved the way tegnell managed sweden right from the start ….you did it well in sweden …no doubt.

Paul Whetstone
22 hours ago
@D JSV Unfortunately, the collective IQ and EQ in the US has dropped significantly over the pandemic….of course it’s been in decline for decades. Thanks for your comment.

Fraser Bailey
3 days ago
It’s good to see the Danes Lego of all the stupid rules. The rest of the world needs to do the same.
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Ulrich Enevoldsen
Ulrich Enevoldsen
3 days ago
Lego? Was that a pun?
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TheLenskjold
3 days ago
They have only eased restrictions as they did last year and will shut us down again for the winter!
The epidemic law has not been removed
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Kekistani Help Desk
3 days ago
Can’t decide if joke… Or spelling mistake

thundercity311
2 days ago
“Lego”. Nailed it.
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Sheerluck Holmes
2 days ago
It’s good to see the Danes Lego of all the stupid rules
I daned to laugh at that.
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Scott D
2 days ago
Well done!

Herman Seabird
2 days ago
So funny you say Lego! Brilliant pun
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Conor White
2 days ago (edited)
Seems Ireland and Uk did this earlier.. unfortunately as you move further east and south in Europe, it’s vaccine mandates, booster mandates and fines if you don’t comply – Austria
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Drew Dam
2 days ago (edited)
The ‘stupid rules’ were set in place to see how ‘believed’ are the stupid rules. A test of the populas’ psychotic belief-system. There are, however, great changes afoot, not ‘Global Warming’, which is a short transitory phenomenon only, but far more sinister ‘Global Cooling’ that is also transitory, 100 year approximately, and that is how long the current Grand Solar Minimum will last. The BBC did two programmes on 17 January 2014, https://youtu.be/DueVWamHmYs, about the cyclical fact but at the time the scientists failed to understand exactly what is a Grand Solar Minimum! Nevertheless, the ‘paid-for’ scientists were more than happy to take the cash and the BBC changed their tune to comply with the narrative of ‘Climate Change’ with us all boiling in an overheated world. Now that the truth can be felt in a cold northern hemisphere with abundant snow and ice everywhere (except in the UK which for the moment continues to bathe in the comfortably warm North Atlantic Drift), the ‘Climate Warmers’ will not only appear silly, they will also be freezing cold. Wise up, do the research and buy some woolly undies…
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Clinton Boucheix
2 days ago
The rest of the world have no Ikea
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Miguel Planas
3 days ago
Brilliant. It’s wonderful to see what happens when modelling is done and used correctly.
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martifingers
martifingers
2 days ago
I can’t help feeling that this is a bit like the old adage about spending on advertising . Half of it is ineffective and wasted – the trouble is you don’t know which half.
My point is that it’s not sensible to just praise a model because you agree with its policy implications when it is accurate. The rational thing is to look in detail at the models and learn how to improve them – and this is clearly only possible if you are have expertise in this field.
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BobWidlefish
2 days ago
Nope, lockdowns never worked it was just theater. Modeling hasn’t helped at all, it’s done immense harm by making politicians think lockdowns would help.
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Sharon Combs
8 hours ago
Oh, bullshit! The only reason any of these countries is “relaxing” authoritarian over-reach are the massive protests occurring worldwide. But apparently Australia has gone full Nazi!
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Richard K
27 minutes ago
What about the flawed modelling of the last two years? Nothing brilliant about it.

Evolution Through Awareness
3 days ago
I imagine Denmark didn’t apply ‘nudge unit’ suggestions to their modelling. We have seen how certain countries were keen to apply the fear model of influence which has been destructive in many ways.
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L Palm
16 hours ago
Yes I agree.
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Israeldiegorivera Genius2 The real Genius
3 days ago
We have a moral duty not to comply. No to discriminatory vaccine passports and mandates, it is an utter disgrace. This must not happen England. Will never vote Labour or Tory again.
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Jean Dixon
3 days ago
These issues have nothing to do with parties, who are all under orders from their puppet masters. Not enough people understand that.
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Liz Eggar
3 days ago
No. Vote REFORM UK. Great policies that make sense. Check them out.
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Anonosaurus
3 days ago
Same in the US. No compliance, no bended knee. Grew up Republican – now, not a registered voter, and complete contempt for both parties. I pray that they repent for what they’ve done, but they will never get my forgiving vote ever again.
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J OTowner
3 days ago
Same here in Florida. We’ve been done with it for over a year. I’ll never vote Dem or Republican. Independents or third party only!
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J OTowner
3 days ago
@Anonosaurus agreed. I was a lifelong Dem, but left that party in 2016 and joined the Greens. Now they’re corrupted too. I have nothing but contempt for these corporate/ bank owned parties. We need to get big money out of politics and decentralize everything!
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J OTowner
3 days ago
@Jean Dixon the Fed and world central banks are the true government.
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Teresa Steele
3 days ago
A sole independent, and I will be voting as will my family and their families, we need rid of the party system world wide. INDEPENDENT.
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Ja Ozzie
3 days ago
@Jean Dixon so true! People are too naive and gullible about what is really happening and who’s running the country
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Anonosaurus
3 days ago
@J OTowner Glad to hear I’m not the only one. We need to live like the free people we are, forgetting about the rotten political process in this country.
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Jean Dixon
3 days ago (edited)
@J OTowner And those above them.
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fuzfire
3 days ago
At this point Republicans are still far better than Democrats but yes still Repbs aren’t very godly anymore. They have this big tent mentality that pulls in groups bent on sin and selfish and Godless people. Not Good long term!
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fuzfire
3 days ago
Then you are going to allow the worst elements to rule over you. If you exercise your vote for the least corrupt, I.E. Republicans you can still foe a while remain free and prosperous.
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Stanbridge Scientific
3 days ago
common sense in DK, same in Sweden who refused to follow the rest of the world 2 years ago. What are other countries going to do now? How can they still justify their policies?
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Eduardo Viajero
3 days ago
With all these news, Philippines will now be more strict with the No Vax, No Ride policy. The unvaxed cant ride public transport. Even those with cars are also being checked.
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Garry Holmes
3 days ago
Stay awake everyone
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Justin MacCurdy
2 days ago
Meanwhile in Canada the Liberal party is wreaking havoc on it’s citizens through draconian measures.
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The fat Controller
2 days ago
There are no political solutions.
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Clara Wal
2 days ago
We clearly have the same views
! And watch the same channels!

Keep Keepers
2 days ago
@Jean Dixon deep state/elites are in control & they have no mercy upon us the general public
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Mia Ash
2 days ago
Absolutely!
No Mandatory drugs of any kind, EVER!
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Stanbridge Scientific
3 days ago
Common sense in DK, same in Sweden who refused to follow the rest of the world 2 years ago. What are other countries going to do now? How can they still justify their policies? Thank you DK and Unherd for making this video.
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Not even close… Politics – the “brain dead” guvment(al) went against the experts in the start, and have lyed and lyed and.. Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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John S
3 days ago
The government and public health officials around the world have not demonstrated an ounce of emotional intelligence or common sense in the past two years. At least UK and Denmark are heading in right direction.
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Doctors’ Bury Their Mistakes
3 days ago
@Stanbridge Scientific you got it mate, it has all been a sham/scam, done by shambolic politicians and their “experts”, who must be put on trial in court.
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mar gota
2 days ago
sad to say we have a stupid govt here in the PH by not letting the unvax go out of their house these past month, only the vax can go out freely, they think the unvax spread the disease
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HotBot
2 days ago
But Sweden did follow the rest of the world after a while?

Susanna Nielsen
2 days ago
@BØRGE ODK Jeg vil bare lige sige hej til dig. Er det ikke til at brække sig over, hvis det er det indtryk, udlandet får af Danmark – klassens duks. Opgaven er sandsynligvis at optræde som lokkeduer for at få tvivlerne i andre lande til at tage imod vaccinen Og nu kastes der så lidt smuler ud til folk. Se hvor godt det går her! Ja lad os nu se, hvad de ellers har i ærmet. For de stopper ikke med dette. De er beordret til at lyve for befolkningen. For god betaling sikkert og for visse privilegier.
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Veda Vyasa
1 day ago
It is worthy to hear Mirnes Ajanovic , lawyer and leader of BOSS party in Bosnia and Herzegovina what methos he used to make people in this country free from cov pass and mandatory vaccination, which was against the constitutional law of human rights. Someone sjhould make interview with him in English så that many people can hear!
here was italian interview, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za6Nu18qO3o&t=2825s. There are more interviews but not translated to english.
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D JSV
1 day ago
@BØRGE ODK They say that “the first casualty of war is truth.” I think that applies to pandemics as well. Everything became “push the official narrative” for better or worse
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BØRGE ODK
1 day ago
@D JSV Yep.!!!
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BØRGE ODK
1 day ago
@D JSV Claws Slob “Cowboy 19 – The nue Rezet” or something like that – a book..

Long _one
14 hours ago
It could be that Sweden already has digital I.D, that many countries are aiming to roll out under the guise of covid defense.. Just an idea Glad this woman is speaking sense though. It’s the common sense that should’ve been out there all along. A shame it’s not on mainstream media!

Lars Johansson
3 days ago
I’m aGP in Sweden. This is impressive. Danmark is a few steps ahead of some, and miles ahead of others. They’re showing the way.
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Greg Grimer
Greg Grimer
3 days ago
Belarus showed the way
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Joe B
3 days ago
Why give them any credit? It’s like you are thanking the hostage taker for finally letting you go. They were wrong for 2 years and have ruined so many lives. Now they are trying to wash their hands. And it’s not over yet – there is always the possibility of introducing restrictings and lockdowns again.
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa – watch Dark Horse Podcast – you don’t have a clue… Not even close… Politics – the “brain dead” guvment(al) went against the experts in the start, and have lyed and lyed and.. Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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Asp Tuber
2 days ago
Normal person in Finland here: Agree totally.
I (re-)discovered SSI:s website in the beginning of December (early Omicron days). Their predictions, and especially their discussions of previous predictions (the prediction talked about here, dated 17/18th Dec, references their prediction from early December, and it was quite nice already around new year to compare the earlier one to reality), made the wait for the “Omicron-tsunami” much less stressful.
The Danish SSI also writes really clearly: not dumbed down (yeah, they do do those press-release things too), but lots of data and very easy to follow conclusions and arguments. (I usually read them in Danish, but they some things, like the models discussed here, they do publish in English too.)
From reading the tea-leaves of our experts it does seem that at least some of them were looking closely at the Danish models (a few oblique references here and there). Journalists and (some) politicians, not so much. Around Christmas we got the situation that our testing capacity (not to mention tracing) just couldn’t deal with it, and it can’t have been a surprise to those looking at Denmark. I’m not usually prone to conspiracy thinking, but I wonder if this (not working to extend testing capability) was a deliberate way to force our politicians out of a case-count mindset…
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Luis Crawford
2 days ago
I did a DNA test I had 3% Denmark and Sweden . Very proud of my Nordic brothers and sisters haha
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Mia Ash
2 days ago
Denmark is the most civilized country!
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meg JA
2 days ago
I’m in NZ we go under a traffic light system, whilst are boarders are closed we are living normally apart from can’t have gathering over 100 whilst we allow omicron to move through slowly. Our boarders are booked until April with thousands of people trying to get in however they are I think going to open the boarders.
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Luis Crawford
2 days ago
@meg JA I don’t think denying freedoms to people who are unvaxed normal. Unfortunately New Zealand, Canada and Australia turned into authoritarian hell holls. Definitely not the liberal and free counties people thought they were.
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MrSmokinDragon
2 days ago
@BØRGE ODK Rant a bit more and continue to use wrong words – that will surely convince everyone you are not a raving lunatic
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BØRGE ODK
2 days ago
@MrSmokinDragon Thank you – for showing your weakness. IF you had had anything to push back with, you would have started with that, and then gone to namecalling (like all good little lefty puppies do, when they can’t defend their claims or beliefs). And – sumtimz u haf 2 be a butt creative, to avoid getting vanished – besides the fact, that english isn’t my first language, and I sometimes hit the wrong key, and often let he mistake be (if I notice it) so weak fukz like you can expose their lack of arguments, by “going after the man instead of the ball”. Try going for some balls next time – I’m convinced you don’t have any.. Bye bye – feel free to use the scene to flash your weak lack of insight, and need to deminnish someone – I won’t use any more time on you – not even read that “answer”, that your narcissist ace can’t resist throwing up, even though yu know, I won’t read it… ;*
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Veda Vyasa
1 day ago
Sorry, Bosnia and Herzegovina was free from cov-passports and mandatory vaccination already from 20. Dec 2021. If you could hear lawyer Mirnes Ajanovic who managed to protect people using the basic laws about human rights , and sued the government of BiH for violating basic laws
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DDS Rdds
1 day ago
Joe B cut Down on your drug, not good for you

DDS Rdds
1 day ago
BØRGE ODK only good this part are closed

Shalini Varma
1 day ago (edited)
@Joe B yes the whole scam has been decades in the making. The narrative collapsing I feel is part of the plan. People need to be really on guard. This is NOT OVER. Remember the goal is Agenda 2030, one world govt, currency, freedom and rights gone, chinese social credit score, tracking, digital id. Please dont fall into the trap of thinking this is done folks
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akyhne
1 day ago
@Shalini Varma Get a life… And a job.

Normally Norma
3 days ago
Beautiful words, Hoping we get this in Canada and the whole world! Inspiring and nice to see someone in a healthcare position that gives us faith in the shambled system!
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Jennifer Neumann
3 days ago
I never thought I’d be scared living in Canada but I am. I feel like they are killing the patient to cure the disease.
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Phil Kubik
3 days ago
Hi Norma.! Greetings from Britsh Columbia. I like your comment, unfortunatley I think our system is set up so as to make it very easy for the goverments to impose rules( whether they make sence or not) on the general public. It’s very concerning and from here in BC there is no end in sight. They keep moving the light at the end of the tunnel. Cheers…!
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oldmoviemusic
3 days ago
@Phil Kubik at least now with the truckers convoy we have brought visibility to just how many people disagree with govt overreach!
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tjampman
3 days ago
@Phil Kubik It is called laws!
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Brent Atkins & Chrys Silvestre
3 days ago
@tjampman mandates are not laws. Canadian leaders went too far in my opinion and many others feel the same way.
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Garry Holmes
3 days ago
Don’t fall a sleep again.
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Normally Norma
3 days ago
@Jennifer Neumann I totally understand what you are saying.. I am starting to fee more hope! Take care
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Normally Norma
3 days ago
@Phil Kubik I am also in BC, on the Van Island and I have sure had enough.. I think we need to get our voices heard more here. Just coming home on the news I heard them being all negative about what is happening in Ottawa.. We must stay positive and stand our ground!!
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sunflower
2 days ago
We need to let Canada know about this , even though they have high number of omicron. They confirmed that omicron is not that severe, no matter what some politicians want to claim! They love to keep us fearful. Enough already.
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Cornel Popa
16 hours ago
Good on you lady
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Npc I’m knot
6 hours ago
this has to end/. its mo longer about covid.. it’s about gov control

Npc I’m knot
6 hours ago
are. they are. if omi is more deadly than cancer/…. people have lost their minds.
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MediaFilter
3 days ago
I’m so glad that voices of REASON are winning out over voices of HYSTERIA.
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VerySeriousUser
3 days ago
Many thanks to you, Unherd, and Camilla Holten-Möller for talking to you.
I think an important thing to bring up would have been the cost and damage caused by these measures.
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Sherry Bonnett
Sherry Bonnett
3 days ago
Yes , we need to talk about how much harm these measure have created.
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J Weir
2 days ago (edited)
The governments do not care. All they want is to bleed you dry and regulate your life. Stupid people out number people with brains, governments will see no need to address this.
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Andy Evangel
3 days ago
I have to first commend you Sayers for your ability to ask the most intelligent questions-it speaks to you doing alot of background research about the chosen subject matter.
Second, my take away from this is that modelling isn’t and cannot be an exact science but it can be done more cleverly with a healthy dose of common sense thinking for it to produce reliably accurate results.
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Madasin Paine
3 days ago
Iteration!

TheKitty1952
3 days ago
Excellent interview. Dr. Camilla Holten-Moller showed the uncertainties of predictions and didn’t cast blame on those whose models didn’t reflect the current reality. Traditionally, epidemiology has been a science of hindsight/detective work for diseases. The rapid worldwide pandemic spread of a disease calling for genetic sequencing and population modeling is relatively new. The predictive models are a function of the parameters placed in their models.
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Not even close… Politics – the “brain dead” guvment(al) went against the experts in the start, and have lyed and lyed and.. Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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Ioan Charnley-Parry
3 days ago
Sense, logic, rationality and honesty. A recipe for freedom.
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Spider
Spider
3 days ago
Don’t worry, USA will come liberate them from that
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Bob Gillis
3 days ago
I would have more confidence in this pronouncement if they didn’t continue to lie about the faked “case numbers”. And her response to “Are all covid laws being dropped ?”. was “Largely” That’s another way of saying “No”
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Ioan Charnley-Parry
3 days ago
@Bob Gillis I agree. Why experts at the very least are still either unable or unwilling to state clearly why ‘cases’ are a misleading and flawed metric for the severity of the situation is beyond me, unless they’re clearly associated with governmental or pharmaceutical actors. MANY of us realised this extremely early on, it wasn’t a complicated distinction or point of necessary nuance. It does immediately throw up a question mark in your mind regarding their angle/agenda/intended message when they can’t or don’t immediately address the term.
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Bob Gillis
3 days ago
@Ioan Charnley-Parry
Well put. And until they address it and the felonies involved, they could easily use it to justify further renewals downstream.
And, if the UK, is any example, they eventually will, given enough faked numbers.
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Ioan Charnley-Parry
3 days ago
@Bob Gillis unfortunately I suspect you’re right. Baffling how they still persist to insist that we’re coming off the back of 150-160,000 ‘covid deaths’, when recently revealed details – distinctions we should have focused on the entire time – show the true, FAR lower extent of true CV19-related mortality. If only truly independent, honest public inquiries existed….
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Not even close… Politics – the “brain dead” guvment(al) went against the experts in the start, and have lyed and lyed and.. Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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Ioan Charnley-Parry
3 days ago
@BØRGE ODK I agree that the government have somewhat done their own thing and lied continuously, but sorry you lost me after that. I’ll read it again and attempt to understand the mink story…
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
@Ioan Charnley-Parry They decided that “safety” required killing off all mink – which was not legal. I believe, they have wanted to do that (there “backing parties” have wanted it for ever) and just used this as a tool, to keep the backing group backing them up.. Glow ball izt fluffers…
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Eye of Horus
3 days ago
@Ioan Charnley-Parry Dr Vinay Prasad addresses this in one of his videos. He refers to most experts being interviewed as weather vanes. They shift with the wind and give middle of the road, safe answers.
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Garry Holmes
3 days ago
Now people will fall a sleep again.
Wake up.
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Madasin Paine
3 days ago
@Bob Gillis In general public health officials especially out front are guilty of massive unprecedented injustice and unprofessional oath breaking messups. So they act so “careful” now in phraseology and denialism.
Little countries tend to be more diplomatic and now doubt the UK is lucrative market and trade “partner”.
Not like some of the reactionary loud mouths in certain hegemons who could care less what another smaller country thinks with a few noteworthy exceptions, albeit conditionally so and subject to sudden extreme change.
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rov li
3 days ago
@Spider as long as there is Fauci and Walensky, i doubt

Lea Nielsen
2 days ago
@BØRGE ODK I agree with you 100% – and the reason why “slette mette” is calling off the restrictions right now is because we have the parliamentary election coming up within a year and she wants us to forget that she ordered injections, mask wearing, isolation aso. before we are supposed to vote again!! It is all political…
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BØRGE ODK
2 days ago
@Lea Nielsen spot on.!!!

Mia Ash
2 days ago
Danes are the most civilized people, EVER!
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db
2 days ago
yes, and these Scandinavian countries with their socialist democracies are always portrayed as “illiberal” by American. things are not so simple, or black/white

bzdtemp
2 days ago
@Bob Gillis What fake case numbers?
As for the answer, then “largely” covers it very well since it is exactly that way. The few measures that is left aren’t very different from what you expect people to otherwise if they are sick, as in stay home and don’t go around infecting others.
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bzdtemp
2 days ago
@Ioan Charnley-Parry You seem to have amazing abilities, only those abilities are normally called hindsight so they aren’t really amazing at all.
There is such a thing as caution, just as there is different COVID19 variants which is seems your hindsight is blind to.

bzdtemp
2 days ago
@BØRGE ODK COVID19 was spreading like crazy among those working with the animals – and there was a clear risk that with COVID19 infecting the animals them self they could have become of one or more new variants.
We can’t go back and see what would have happened, but while clumsy handled legality wise the safe thing to do was remove the problem.
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Bob Gillis
2 days ago
@bzdtemp
Provide a real name and I am happy to address your questions.
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BØRGE ODK
2 days ago
@bzdtemp I’m an inventor – I solve problems, when they apear – I don’t just blow up the business.. There are – it seems – no creative minds in the danish goverment. And I’m realistic about the size of the dangers, there were – pretty fuckin’ small.. I was !shamed” from the start, for asking, how “our” people could NOT have a lot od msks aso, when “eveybody” knew, that it was a matter of time, before something would happen, where we would need them. I also wrote to an “official” start up compaby, and suggested, that we got off our aces, and started to make masks and face shields, and filled our needs, and earned money by selling to other countries (it takes 2-3 days to make a mould for casting,. I was “shot down” – shorty after some private cmpanies bought a bunc of cloth in ””8i belive9 Beligium, and made masks. I don’t give a flying turd for “our” goverments (globalizt fluffers) “brains”.
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Ioan Charnley-Parry
2 days ago
@bzdtemp thank you very much indeed for your thoroughly strange comment. I’ve felt this way from the very beginning, no hindsight required. But thanks for saying I have ‘amazing abilities’, compliments are always welcomed

Sir Scofferoff
3 days ago
Other countries need to forget flattening the curve, and flatten their governments overreach.
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Garry Holmes
3 days ago
Thank you for this comment.
People will fall a sleep again
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Fuhgeddaboudit
2 days ago
The only thing that’s been flattened is our morale!
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Chandra Star
2 days ago
Well govts could extend their reach over big pharma, tech, etc and corruption.
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Zeta Reticuli
2 days ago
BRAVO!! Well said.
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Fuhgeddaboudit
2 days ago
@Chandra Star
Those things are government!
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Chandra Star
2 days ago
@Fuhgeddaboudit govt has become PR & spin doctors for those things. Not that they’re not shifty themselves. The Panama papers exposed a lot of these ppl.
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Mia Ash
2 days ago
So well stated!
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Don Tonno Con Fagioli
2 days ago
Yes, that ‘curve flattening’ comment from the modeller caught my ear – because NONE of these measures was ever required, at any time – and they were ALWAYS contrary to people’s inalienable freedoms.
This talking head never had ANY right to impose the measures that she and her sidekicks did.
Seriously, Freddie – are we supposed to feel grateful?
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TIME IS UP
2 days ago
haha well said !!!!!!!
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Nora S
2 days ago
As Dan says on the Pandemic Podcast, flatten the mandates!
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Careful Consumer
1 day ago
Fizzer and/or Bill Gates should be the ones funding the modeling and research.

Kim Berman
1 day ago
@Chandra Star
That’s what they’ve already been doing!

J Ttt
1 day ago
Meanwhile blackrock. Vanguard, Amazon etc have sucked up all the wealth and assets and plan to take it all so we’ll own nothing. It must be seized and the perps published.

L Palm
16 hours ago
Right on.
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Neo Dyne Loaders
2 days ago
Good to see Denmark keeping up basic freedom and human rights compared to other countries
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Janko G
Janko G
3 hours ago
Especially Austria, just approved a law for every adult to be vaccinated by law or face a fine of 3600 euros every 3 months.

SuzyStohrYoung
3 days ago
So grateful for UnHerd. Thank you for covering and the journalism you provide.
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debbiedogs1
debbiedogs1
3 days ago
He is still too biased in several ways, but does some decent work. Not impressive, jist decent for the most part.
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tshekedi walker
3 days ago
@debbiedogs1 i agree. overtime you can see some of his biases come out however, we are all bias. main stream media is extremely bias to the left or right, which ever they support.
With freddie though he’s a bit of fresh air and he’s very close to balanced as you’ll get.
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Kylie Jones
3 days ago
@debbiedogs1 Where do you think his biases lie?

hansiharjunharja
3 days ago
They should legally ban the passports, too. I know they aren’t mandated but it can still be used. It is a documents of segregation. It should not be allowed in a free democracy.
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lionel azulay
3 days ago
What an eye opener… brilliant interview, both of you. Informative, enlightening, and exposing!
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Angie at Work
3 days ago (edited)
It’s wonderful that they relaxed their regulation, but it is still scary that simple modeling from some governmental “experts” can have such an impact on normal citizens lives. Many of us have done mathematical models. Garbagge in, Garbagge out. Modeling assumes the model design is correct, the assumptions are correct and there is uniformity of all data points. We humans are not all identical, so the government policies should never be made just based upon some mechanical computer models!
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BØRGE ODK
3 days ago
Politics – the “brain dead” guvment(al) went against the experts in the start, and have lyed and lyed and.. Look into the killing off the worlds best mink production – illegally – costing every dane ca 500 dollars + los of export and taxes for years – maybe for ever.. And Mette Frederiksen’s lies and deleting sms’s “so” the Mink comission can’t read her comunication in the days, where they were deciding to do it.. And the cops calling the mink owners and pushing them haard to kill their mink, before it had been legaized..
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MrSmokinDragon
2 days ago
LOL – how would you EVER make policies for an entire nation WITHOUT using modelling?

MrSmokinDragon
2 days ago
@BØRGE ODK Are you still ranting? LOL

Angie at Work
2 days ago
@MrSmokinDragon Don’t make policies for the sake of making! Keep the government small please

BØRGE ODK
2 days ago
@MrSmokinDragon Why do you call it ranting mMr Bad Breath?

Veda Vyasa
1 day ago
You should hear Mirnes Ajanovic who exposed government as criminals acting against the basic laws of human rights..and not following even instructions of producers of vaccine. there are some contraindications which should be considered , so everybody cannot take vaccine-. Here he is talking for italians lawyers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za6Nu18qO3o&t=2825s and there are many interviews (not in english ) where is explained how he was legally fighting for freedom in BiH and it should be done in all other countries.
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Pascal Lefrancq
3 days ago
She sounds like she also studied international relations. How careful not to judge the decisions of any other country. Great job and nice interview. Thanks for all the insight.
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RockManLP_Radio
3 days ago
nothing wrong with judging agianst the insane nazi madnates

Classy Compositions
3 days ago (edited)
It seems to me that we could use a little less modelling and a bit more rational philosophical debate about what is actually important in life and in what direction we want to go to as a society.
But most people prefer not to think about such difficult matters, and just want to here “the Truth” from a person in a white coat who has done some untransparent number-wizardry.
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LTVoyager
3 days ago
I have to laugh when restoring basic freedom and human rights is considered a “radical” policy. How far the world has fallen in the last two years.
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Ulrich Enevoldsen
Ulrich Enevoldsen
3 days ago
Agreed
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Luann Rouff
3 days ago
If you don’t laugh you will cry.
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Amelia Mulder
3 days ago
How right you are.
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Joakim Pettersson
3 days ago (edited)
It has taken 100 years to build up our phobophobia, political squabble, drug lobby and the resulting lack of self-agency – within all areas of society – to the levels they all peaked at during this pandemic!
If we only could be more adult, remember how we did know how to manage multiple interconnected risks, rather than panic about every click-bait presented to us.
We can deal with the multiple crisis our last decades of utter unreason expose us to. If we just could remember how. But there is no time for that now. We are playing out all crises at once. We forgot how to handle them.
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Andreas Grubhofer
3 days ago
fncking fauci, daszak n all the other corrupt scientists etc… fncking who, chinese government n msm.. n fncking gain of function in wuhan… they couldve warned the whole world way earlier n probably even stopped this pandemic (or at least wed have way less deaths, suffering…)
we need better systems… power to the people n not a few hundred people in parliament…
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TONY COLLYWESTON
3 days ago
@Andreas Grubhofer sounds like your brain is overheating because you don`t understand.
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TONY COLLYWESTON
3 days ago
Society can try and get back to normal because the majority got vaccinated.

Garry Holmes
3 days ago
Stay awake everyone
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69birdboy
3 days ago
@TONY COLLYWESTON ridiculous comment…so you know what the death rate is even for unvaccinated people under 50? 0.08 per 100,000. The death rate in car accident s is far higher.
The collateral damage will be huge and last a lifetime for many people.
We also have no idea what will happen long term with vaccine injuey
One thing that has become clear is that the vaccines have never affected transmission….only protection to the individual, so it should’ve always been an individual choice. You got played
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Susanna Nielsen
3 days ago
You are right. I have made a comment at the top at this side. I am from Denmark and my impression of what is going on is quite different. Now the Danes go to bars to get drunk. Hope they wake up one day with a hangover.
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DJ
3 days ago
This is just so wonderful to hear. Such a calm and measured conversation. Comparatively here in Australia, we have hysteria, fear and unhinged public servants and medical ‘experts’ driving division, kids with masks at schools, consideration of 4th boosters and that covid control will never end.
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Fauzia Choudhry
3 days ago
That’s because there is no shortage of useful idiots and corporate sellout pollies, bureaucrats, public health officials, and media in Oz.
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David Fedele
3 days ago
I’m from Australia, I couldn’t agree with you more.
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Michael Mears
2 days ago
Pretty much nailed it, DJ. Federal Election coming up soon. Let’s see if enough people have had enough.
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Hayden E
22 hours ago
@Michael Mears probably lots of votes will go to labour and we’ll be just as bad off
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Tulsi Vana
20 hours ago
@Hayden E but what’s the alternative? I could never vote for an unctious selfish prat like Clive Palmer
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Michael Mears
20 hours ago
@Hayden E Yeah, that can happen, if people just vote out of spite. I keep in mind we have two votes: one for the House of Reps and one for the Senate. There are plenty of minor parties people can put high on their list, well before the majors. It’s all a matter finding parties with policies that align as much as possible with your own. Plus, any party you vote “1” for who also reach the required minimum 4% of first preference votes will receive electoral funding. It currently is $2.91 per “1” vote, and last time is was about $68M all up for those who received it. Well over $50M went to the two major parties, so by not voting “1” for them we rob them of that funding.
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Hayden E
18 hours ago
@Michael Mears very well put. I do vote independent with the party that closest resembles my beliefs and am concious of who their vote goes to at the end of the day. Glad to have more independents in parliament makes for a better system.
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Aline de Leandro
16 hours ago
@Hayden E Labour/Liberal are just 2 sides of the same coin. They are controlled by the same entity!

Aline de Leandro
16 hours ago
@Hayden E Independentd give their preference to a major part like Liberals. Greens are scary.

Hayden E
15 hours ago
@Aline de Leandro yes no greens for me, I prefer liberal over labour but you’re right. Labour and liberals same as the criminals

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K R
3 days ago
I might have missed it, but was there any mention of metabolic health and vitamin D levels. Wouldn’t it be amazing to see that figured into the modeling, meaning, what would the hospitalization rates be if everyone exercised and got sun or took the relevant supplements, and did not eat seed oils and other foods that cause inflammation.
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Gregory Cickavage
3 days ago
This pandemic has never dominated my life. Thats the problem, people over exaggerating the facts!
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fixfaxerify
3 days ago
On the same day that Austria is introducing mandatory vaccination, Denmark is doing the opposite. Looking at the numbers (daily deaths, new cases, etc) nothing is particularly more alarming in Austria as compared to Denmark as far as I can tell. Oh, there is a difference in vaccination uptake however
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David Paz
David Paz
3 days ago
Well done, Denmark. The Zero Covid strategy has proven to be untenable.
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Joe
3 days ago
Sanity in Denmark. Seriously well done!
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Project Dorcas
Project Dorcas
3 days ago
Thank you for this intellectual and balanced conversation. If only Australian modellers have a tiny fraction of Dr.Holten-Møller’s integrity & intelligence.
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metalfox28
metalfox28
3 days ago
This science needs to be shared with the leaders in Canada
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Oneva Lewa
Oneva Lewa
3 days ago
If you are sick, stay home…. Common sense. 2 years too late… But finally.
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Deborah Hebblethwaite
3 days ago
Well done as always. You should win the best host award
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Buddy
Buddy
3 days ago
I seriously hope you don’t get Rogan-ed for having an open dialogue. Keep up the great work, we support you!
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Brandon
Brandon
3 days ago
Congrats Denmark! This is wonderful News a government that actually follows real science. Peace and love from Canada! Go truckers!
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Michael Neuroth
Michael Neuroth
3 days ago
Finally! Science backed , logical decisions .
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Pensky File
Pensky File
2 days ago
Freddie, just ask her straight out: “how the hell did we get it so wrong?”!!
We need the Dane approach adopted globally.
Thanks for the interview
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CA
3 days ago
We desperately need professionals like Dr Holten-Møller in New Zealand help our govt act accordingly
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Tangle
Tangle
3 days ago
All this rhetoric about “being careful and seeing how things progress” only ever goes one way. They weren’t being careful with the unseen damage done to millions.
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BIGMAN TINGZ Network
3 days ago
The fact is the models haven’t proven reliable. Lives have been destroyed around the world following these “measures “and these models are to blame. These establishments need to be held responsible.
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Mister Fixie
3 days ago (edited)
Do the unaccountable US modelers who have caused so much harm ever go back and see where they have erred and build that new data into the model? Will they apologize for the damage? How have Denmark’s models differed from those of other countries, and why?
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Tom Loewen
3 days ago
Brilliant example of leadership. quote, “we have to communicate uncertanties” loved that line! Instills confidence
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steveevans946
3 days ago
We must end state emergency powers. It’s far too tempting for governments to be able to change laws and create new ones, without democratic scrutiny. These powers have been the only dangerous thing about the last two years.
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Andrei Aroutiounov
3 days ago
You amuse me Freddy. The UK models were wrong because they were produced by incompetent people. In a normal system you would fire incompetent and hire a new team (or better three teams). But, for that, the government itself needs to be competent.
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Bill C
3 days ago
Omicron is going through our house right now. I’ve been fighting it for a week. I have had worse colds. In our house, the one person that had gene therapy, had the worst symptoms.
Secondly, the recent study out of China showed people that had SARS had a huge immune response to SARS2. Much higher than the vaccines.
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Epi
3 days ago
Well done Denmark ! Great common sense policies !
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ranter7100
3 days ago
Finally some sort of sanity from the politicians in a country can this spread to NZ now please
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RC
7 hours ago (edited)
We’re into the 3rd year of the pandemic which began worldwide in 2019. We’re way past 18-month mark. Excellent interview!
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linda be
3 days ago
Could it have anything to do with the complaints filed in the ICC? I think so.Crimes against humanity.
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T G
3 days ago
This is very balanced. Keep up the good work!
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Lora M
3 days ago
excellent! Bravo, Denmark, putting the people first, as always!
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Privacy Matters
1 day ago
Please have her replace everyone’s modeling. She needs to win some sort of award.
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Renita
3 days ago
I’ve worked in patient based forecast modeling for Oncology for over ten years. She’s a very experienced and knowledgeable modeler who takes pride in the accuracy and quality of her work. Congratulations on your team in Denmark! Great job. Doing sensitivity analysis around each input variable into the model helps you understand which variables are the most important. These inputs have to be as accurate as possible with your estimates. Learning, validating and refining the input assumptions is key to success. She understands this process very well. Please share your successes and key learnings with your fellow modelers in Canada and around the world.
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Paul Taintor
2 days ago
This is the most surprising video about modeling. I had lost ALL faith in it the field. Glad to hear it can be useful if done by honest scientists. It’s sad how corrupt or incompetent our modelers have become.
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Pumpjack Piddlewick
3 days ago
As said below, brilliant interview. Particularly as you let the interviewee answer your questions fully, and don’t try to interrupt with your own agenda. Brilliant.
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Claude Studer
3 days ago (edited)
I’m so grateful to South Africa for keeping us ” up to date”, due to their impeccable statics information and sharing there of, pointing us, as it were, towards the direction this omicron virus could take us and subsequently leading us to undertake the actions we are currently seeing taking place today. God bless.
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DJ
3 days ago
This is just so wonderful to hear. Such a calm and measured conversation. Comparatively here in Australia, we have hysteria, fear and unhinged public servants and medical ‘experts’ driving division, kids with masks at schools, consideration of 4th boosters and that covid control will never end.
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Alien in drift
3 days ago (edited)
It’s scary that uncertain mathematical modellings caused the chaos at the beginning of covid19 and will keep causing the chaos again.
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Learn Media
Learn Media
3 days ago (edited)
Denmark has Dr Camilla Holten-Møller who speaks knowledgeably and intelligently on a highly technical subject in a second language and the Uk has Professor Neil Ferguson who, ostensibly, does the same job and struggles to talk to anyone knowledgeably or intelligently in any language. Another high quality interview full of useful information. Excellent, thank you.
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Zeeshan Khan
3 days ago
Freddie, great thoughtful content. Grown-ups having real discussions which seems to be now absent from normal society. I am not sure if you have already done this but I’d recommend talking with the founders of the Great Barr1ngton Declarat1on as well as captains of the Canadian Truckers Convoy.
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Lucinda Brown
3 days ago
Well done Denmark! Let’s hope the rest of Europe follow suit.
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Sharon Pfeiffer
3 days ago
Go Denmark. The rest of the world will be watching and seeing if this will work so they can ease restrictions
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Flossy Park
3 days ago
Brilliant interview! So sensible and professional!
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Badabing
3 days ago (edited)
A VERY fitting question for Camilla would be why recommendation for the government (prior to January) always seems to be according to the worst case Mathematical Modeling? What “justified” the Draconian lockdowns used during the last two years.
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Raymond Ager
3 days ago
As ever, the best interviews, the best questions and so informative listening to such experts. Great job.
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Luis Crawford
2 days ago
Wow the interviewer is actually on point with all his questions. So clear and punctual absolutely brilliant interview and then you have great guests I really think this channel is a great source of information especially for UK audiences, something which has definitely been missing for us. Thank you sir!
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jpdp
3 days ago
Common sense from a public health official.
Can we get someone like her here in Australia?
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OnlyOneStarWarsFan
3 days ago
While I’m glad they’re returning to a semblance of sanity, I worry that too many rubicons have been crossed to think that this totalitarianism is remotely over. Hopefully the Danish populace is less NPC than the American populace.
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Marc H
2 days ago
In the USA there is almost no logic behind Covid restrictions. This is the most sensible approach that I have yet seen! It should be adopted world wide!
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Susan Smyth
3 days ago
Hoping Canada follows very soon!
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Making Sense With Robbie
3 days ago (edited)
I’d suspect that a lot of the ideas and news coming out from the government isn’t about telling people the truth, but about getting the public to act in an advantageous way to the government/party spreading the information. So rather than there being a fear of the predicted numbers being true, the idea is that over selling the fear results in an appropriate response from the people. tldr, we are told what we need to hear in order to take the actions we are supposed to take.
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SA_bluemonday
3 days ago
This woman is an absolute Rock Star! Thank you to her and whole of Denmark for BEING SANE!
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DJ
3 days ago
This is just so wonderful to hear. Such a calm and measured conversation. Comparatively here in Australia, we have hysteria, fear and unhinged public servants and medical ‘experts’ driving division, kids with masks at schools, consideration of 4th boosters and that covid control will never end.
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Don Camua
Don Camua
1 day ago
Australia should learn from this. We are still under paranoid stage in the pandemic although most Aussies are experiencing covid fatigue. plus the government lost my trust especially that most premier failed to follow a national model and the PM allowed state leaders to manipulate their citizens thru evil mandates
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Jason Shoulders
3 days ago
I’m so sick of covid. I don’t care anymore. If your scared don’t go outside. This really isn’t that deadly unless you’re old. You lived your life, life has risks, who cares if it just 1 percent more risky
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AnAverageHuman
AnAverageHuman
2 days ago
I wish we could have gotten such clear headedness earlier in this whole mess. If our government had been more open and transparent about the realities there probably wouldn’t have been nearly as much fear and distrust. Tragic but hopefully we will learn.
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Steli P M
2 days ago
Incredible how difficult it is to admit that natural immunity is potent.
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Maeyane Moeng
Maeyane Moeng
1 day ago
How I wish more of the so-called scientists could listen to this and try and bring back objectivity and common science back! We have being emotionally charged and clouded for too long
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Bobby Dread
2 days ago
Congrats to Denmark for pragmatic policies, based on real-world info and sound modeling. The UK needs to rethink its reliance on SAGE and fear-mongering professors such as N. Ferguson! Great interview. Thanks.
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Jean Ellis
3 days ago
Wow I hope someone tells Biden and Trudeau that they are no longer in the “In Group”.
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F. Hugh Eveleigh
F. Hugh Eveleigh
2 days ago
Excellent work. Penetrative questions and clear, balanced and informative answers. Fascinating. Thank you.
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MIO
3 days ago
Trying to seem like we have been resonable in two years. The hyppocracy runs so deep here in Denmark!
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Leszek Nagooglach
Leszek Nagooglach
3 days ago
Greets from Poland! We haven’t had any covid passports at all. And no lockdowns since last winter.
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Paul D’Attilio
Paul D’Attilio
1 day ago
This was incredibly informative. I wish I had more faith in government to tell the truth but unfortunately that is not the case. Great interview and a great format.
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LTVoyager
3 days ago
All countries should have opened up in the summer of 2020 when respiratory viruses tend to be much less severe. Letting the virus spread when the risk was relatively low would have made the winter of 2020 much less severe and might have made covid nearly nonexistent by this winter had things been open again in the summer of 2021.
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Richard Lyon
Richard Lyon
3 days ago
It’s fascinating to compare the head of the expert group on mathematical modelling in Denmark with the likes of “Independent” SAGE modeller tremulous Christina Pagel, who appears to live tweet her morbid fears and anxieties from a fainting couch
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butterflybeatles
butterflybeatles
3 days ago
Same in Cuenca, Ecuador:
The Cuenca Emergency Operations Committee voted Sunday to allow the reopening of bars, discos, entertainment centers and brothels and to increase the capacity for restaurants and public offices. The COE said that improving Covid-19 pandemic conditions dictated the changes.
Cuenca’s Social Security hospital reports a “modest” increase in Covid-19 admissions and says it is adding beds. (El Mercurio)
Previously under a 30 percent capacity limit, restaurants are now allowed to operate at 50 percent indoor and 75 percent outdoor capacity. In addition, public offices, theaters, gyms, spas, markets and shopping centers are allowed to open to 50 percent capacity.
“As a result of the declining number of Covid-19 infections, we are able to make these changes and hope to make more in the future as circumstances allow,” the COE said in a statement. “We continue to urge the public to observe all health protocols.”
The COE said it continues to urge private businesses, including restaurants, stores and shopping centers, to request vaccination certificates for entry, but said it is no longer mandated.
In a report to the COE, Cuenca’s Health Ministry office said that Covid-19 cases have peaked in the city and should drop rapidly in coming weeks. The Ministry said there is still pressure on hospitals since admissions lag behind new cases by an average of two weeks.
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Anja Oguegbu
3 days ago
Wish we would have that common sense in Germany…but our politicians are a joke…a pretty bad one.
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Andrea Re
3 days ago
Still to watch it. I hope she will say why they had done away with all restrictions before (only to reintroduce them again, so they could do it AGAIN tomorrow) and why they had, among other things, vaccine passports.
Will she show contrition?
Now let’s see…
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LTVoyager
3 days ago
No country has been ahead of Sweden as Sweden followed the science from the start and has always had the most rational policy of any country.
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Willa Frith
Willa Frith
2 days ago
Refreshing. Wow! People really don’t need to be force fed with unverified information because it came from an expert. Really enjoyed listening to this lady. I’m glad they got it right for Denmark. What a relief.
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Ping Pong
18 hours ago
As an eit engineer, my take away from 2 years of hysteria is: dont hire mathematical modellers. They suck.
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Martin Ruth Mohr
2 days ago
Maybe someone should model the past predictions of Neil Ferguson’s modelling. Using the data of his previous modelling, from BSE through Swine flu to Covid (all massive failures…) so that we can get an idea of how massive his next failure will be.
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elektron2kim
3 days ago
“Omicron” is a substance from hating the government and experts who are insanely taking everything away from you in your life. The anger and sadness gets stuck and your remaining life force try to squeeze it out.
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Helen Murray
3 days ago
Great common sense coming from Denmark. Sick of UK’s politicised fear mongering.
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L Palm
16 hours ago
Good on you Denmark, may your non-political stand get through to our bought lot.
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A Simpleton
2 days ago
Yeah, yeah, I like the science, and I enjoy her competence and rationality. BUT these are secondary matters on the issue of restrictions. The problem is whether she is okay with the inhumane government policies, and what line does she think is too far to cross?
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Kevin Hill
3 days ago
Great interview listening to people who know what their doing for a change.
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Catarina SM
3 days ago
Trust comes with truth, expertise and good communication. All that we couldn’t have in Europe and USA, Canada, Australia. etc.
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Greg B
2 days ago
Brilliant! Perhaps the Danish politicians feared a few large trucks parking on their doorstep? All kidding aside, I salute you from Canada.
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Just a Bird
22 hours ago
In the Netherlands we’d also love to have her. So much so that members of our parliament requested our government to please ask her to peer review the models we use.
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TheMasonator777
1 day ago
You should have brought up the fact that the models were very inaccurate, to say the least, in many countries.
I would really like to see a simple graph with modelled predictions vs actual events. I personally think that computer modelling is about as accurate (and ethical) as lie detection. Which means we shouldn’t base public policy on it, or at least take it with a whole bag of salt.
All that has to happen is have incomplete data or bad data and it’s worse than useless.
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Eidolon#
3 days ago (edited)
Nowadays being a specialist is a precocity, almost all are young people with “40 years of age” or less and with a lot of “experience”.
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Thai Thai
18 hours ago
It’s like watching Henry Cavill from the Witcher doing a really good interview! It is surreal to know almost all basic rights taken away in two years returned on Feb 1st. Good thing it was not on April 1st. Denmark is awesome. Danka for the brave modelling!
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Nicola Mackenzie Dodds
2 days ago
This video was more than interesting, it was extremely useful! I live in France, currently suffering from Covid-19 as are my teenage children, and this video was enlightening! Thanks so much for this clear and down to earth sensible journalism.
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HIM1984
3 days ago
Great interview.
Shows what could be accomplished when we remove politics from a medical/public health issue and allow those trained in the relevant fields to genuinely follow science.
People aren’t as daft needing to be cowed to as the politicians, some talking heads in media and others that aim to manipulate seem to think.
Kudos to this good Dr, her team and the nation of Denmark on showing the way forward.
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Jo Voorhees Collins, MPH, BS, NBCHWC
1 day ago
Great discussion, thank you both!
I wish Denmark could impart their wisdom to officials in the US because we are majorly failing here.
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Miroslaw Turski
3 days ago
That lady is scarily impressive. No wonder Danish models have been so effective, when they have such caliber of experts working on them.
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Caroline D
3 days ago
Watch for the boost in tourism, well done Denmark for having common sense.
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Jill Fabing
3 days ago
Dr Muller surely made a lot of intelligent sense. She provided valuable insight and cleared many questions on the variants. Impressive indeed.
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Sweetness
3 days ago
I find it odd that several countries simultaneously reverse their tyrannical “laws”.
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Passion For Art
Passion For Art
2 days ago (edited)
999999+ for Denmark!
Yes everybody wants their own country to follow Denmarks example!
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Michael Ullman
3 days ago
Denmark has had a very low overall rate especially during Delta – I would like to hear her thoughts on that.
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J Spanyer
3 days ago (edited)
Excellent interview, thank you. And I think I can answer your question that you asked many times, but first I’ll give my background. I worked as an electrical engineer for years, then did a computer science degree and became a computer engineer for years, then at 40 my wife had terminal cancer so I went back and did a master’s in microbiology and Immunology to learn to boost her immune system, and she’s doing great 23 years later!
In the Masters program I passed the md/phd biostatistics class and was amazed and appalled at how imprecise the math and science was in statistics. I realized that public health programs are strongly based on statistics and are more of a practice than a science. It’s kind of like cancer medicine, there’s definitely some science but a whole lot of practice (educated guessing) too. So the answer to your question is believe the public health modelers and professionals just like you would believe a medical doctor: if he or she has been right most of the time in the past then they can probably be trusted and if not then they can’t. And if they don’t have a track record, just like a brand new doctor, then take what they say with a grain of salt until their models and advice prove accurate.
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wogfro
wogfro
2 days ago
I won’t hold my breath. The covid passport still exists in some areas. Until every single item related to this is scrapped, they’ll bring it back on a whim.
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Blaise Allen
2 days ago
Another great interview. It’s so refreshing to see a competent Public Health expert openly and honestly discuss modeling and pandemic policies. If only the FollowTheScience experts actually did what Norway has done, we would all be better off.

Glenn Mitchell
3 days ago
Regardless of the accuracy of the models, did the government of Denmark (or the medical professionals advising them) have an algorithm that told them when to adjust their COVID restrictions, or were those decisions simply political, with no direct mathematical link between the model and the decision?
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Dave Tus
Dave Tus
3 days ago
Sensationalizing of events and reality leads millions or billions of people into misery. Thanks Freddie for your great work and you proved that. Let us unherd ourselves in such insanity.

kristina
2 days ago
Dropping the restrictions is simply not enough. Someone has to answer for all the damages. It’s like you’ve been kidnapped and released and the kidnapper simply walked away unpunished.
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Sheena.mary.g
16 hours ago
Brilliant! Denmark is the happiest country in the world…not hard to see why.
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Jongwe Rachembera
2 days ago
Great interview Freddie! Very smart, no BS lady….just real “science” and facts.
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J D
3 days ago
natural immunity is still discussed as a dirty word … this must stop.
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Eli Bo
Eli Bo
3 days ago
I hope it happens in Canada !!! The truckers in Ottawa now are heroes now standing for our freedoms !!!
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KM
KM
22 hours ago
The difference between the UK and Denmark modeling is UK political interference with an intention to twist outcomes to suit the desired narrative. UK modelers have admitted that they modeled to the extreme worst case “on order” so to speak.
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Velvetanne Madro
2 days ago
When will these modelling “experts” start focusing on modelling and predicting the damage lockdowns do due to economy and mental health, and not just COVID “cases”.
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Eidolon#
3 days ago (edited)
Nowadays being a specialist is a precocity, almost all are young people with “40 years of age” or less and with a lot of “experience”.
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Morten Billcliff
2 days ago
Good interview. I’d like to know if any modellers have been asked to look at the other side of restrictions – to model the effects of social immobility, increased anxiety, domestic violence, etc.

Faith Mary Moore
3 days ago
Her defense of the thing that they put in people’s arms 2 or 3 times says it all.
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nextlvlng
3 days ago
The epidemiologists usually make this a matter of math…
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STEPHAN OBERHOFF
2 days ago
Interesting that this obviously intelligent and articulate person would declare Delta as having been more infectious (which is the behavior of progressive variants – AND more severe. That is unfounded. Delta was not as severe in it’s MR (mortality rate) than Alpha or Beta. I would be currently on the watchout for NeoCov to see if it mutates enough to jump from bats to humans which requires significant mutations on multiple levels of that virus.
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Margaret Dertesi
3 days ago
I think some governments are recognizing public sentiment and are getting in early so it looks as though their reduction in restrictions was their own idea and not forced.
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GJW
3 days ago
Awesome Interview. Dr Camilla’s approach shows what can be done when the modelling is not politicised.

Cath
3 days ago
Sensible decision. And yet, in Italy, Austria and Germany there are the new mandates and draconian rules. Fascism hasn’t faded much over the intervening years, apparently.
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V G
3 days ago
There has been much damage to economies, individual livelihoods as a result of this so called modelling. In Australia we continue with vaccine passport mandates and a division in our society as a result of all the mandates. The promotion of fear as a result of the modelling by our governments and MSM has been overwhelming and continues to this day. Some of the modelling numbers of infections and deaths that has been reported has been absolutely in ridiculous, yet our government has based the restrictions on this modelling. This has been so very damaging.
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Corina
3 days ago (edited)
This is wonderful news. Does it mean we can now visit Denmark without vax certificate and tests?
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Amazing Philippines
Amazing Philippines
2 days ago
Great discussion and interview. Thanks. Here in the Philippines, I believe almost everyone I know, their families and coworkers have had the Omicron symptoms for a week or so, cold/mild flu type. No medical treatments that I know of. People recover and go on with life.
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anonjan82
3 days ago (edited)
One thing I noticed that she said they worked with a large group of different experts from different universities. This is a big difference from the Netherlands were a small group of similar experts from a government agency who got it dead and dead wrong all the time uptill now.
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WeiWuWei
8 hours ago (edited)
In the UK the modellers were asked by the politicians to fit their models to their policies.
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Andrew Smith
3 days ago
Another good one Freddie!
If only you were in charge of BBC news and this lady replaced Imperial’s professor pants-down Neil Ferguson we would all have had a much better pandemic!
Please keep up the great work.
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Dean Thompson
3 days ago
Thank you, Ms. Moller and Mr. Sayers, for an excellent interview. It was very well explained and very rational. I would agree to have Ms. Moller and the group come to the US, and help the CDC, NIH. Mr. Sayers, this is one of an excellent series of interviews. My best to the UnHerd team. Take Care. Stay Safe.
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staninjapan07
2 days ago
Well done, Mr. Sayers.
A very nicely put together interview.
Neither sensational nor downplayed.
And how the Danish put we British to shame in terms of interviews in a 2nd language.

109PokerFace
1 day ago (edited)
Great guest! We desperately need people with her level of intelligence here in Canada!
All we have here are totalitarian psychopaths that have no understanding of science or statistics.

Beertus
3 days ago
Wow! Looks like Denmark has good data and competent researchers, unlike the Netherlands
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Lynn Geek
3 days ago (edited)
After hearing the difference between England’s and Denmark’s models, is AI being used in either model?
England’s failure to correctly model the course of its Covid pandemic may be due to the continued influence of Professor Neil Ferguson and his wildly incorrect initial model. Just because he resigned in disgrace doesn’t mean that he didn’t continue to influence the modelers.
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Becky Bolding
2 days ago
Great news! I recently had a positive test but I’ve had colds much worse than that virus. Chills, fatigue, and nasal stuffiness and that was it!

winstonsmasterplan
3 days ago
The question is if it’s ethical to use these models to install fear into people to change behaviour
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Marion
3 days ago
Wonderful presentation! Thank you, Freddie! Keep up the great work.
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Gulnar Kulybekova
3 days ago
Thanks. Good to learn by other countries.Would be great to ask from modeling groups about the reason of higher infections in highly vaccinated countries versus less vaccinated countries with early treatment were advised? Why these modeling group can not offer other modeling based on other options?
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Madelaine Morch
3 days ago
There is severe illness from the vaccine as well! Denmark has a very high level of vaccinated, the ever highest level of cases and the excess mortality ( raw numbers of death from all causes compared to projection based on previous years)significant highest in 2021. Natural immunity remains the important difference in my opinion and I don’t understand why Denmark chose to vaccinated the children.
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Alina Ishmurzina
Alina Ishmurzina
2 days ago
Wow! so good to hear some common sense finally appearing through the covid fog. Thank you, Freddie!

parallelworldsguy
3 days ago
This is the first expert statement I’ve heard that the latest Omicron variant, while more contagious, is actually less pathogenic than the first Omicron variant. Great news, the pandemic is on the ropes!
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A word from the wise
A word from the wise
2 days ago
Our EU country said: “Now Austria has mandatory vaccination, we will have to follow”. But now Denmark has ended all covid laws, our country has not yet said “we will have to follow Denmark”…
Kudos to all the wise people!
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Mark Lopez
3 days ago
You are a great interviewer! And thank you for having a common sense approach!
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Bart Vanraes
2 days ago
We can only hope they are right.
I’m lucky to live in Belgium and our wave is a little bit behind on Denmark, so we can learn from them.
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Peter Azlac
3 days ago
You should have asked whether any funding from Bill Gates or Pfizer was involved with any members of the Danish modeling group like there is with Imperial College
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Greg Abbott
3 days ago
Great interview. Very good insights into the world of epidemiology modelling!

Jo Watts
3 days ago
And yet more restrictions are being introduced here in Italy from Feb 1! I don’t understand how they can continue to justify them?!
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conny lake
1 day ago
A breath of fresh air in this atmosphere of asphyxiating paranoia and fear.
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Tom
21 hours ago
One can only hope the common sense shown by Denmark comes to crazy places like Canada, New Zealand and Western Australia!
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Mar kor
11 hours ago
High case numbers are not an issue if people don’t end up in hospital or seriously ill. Governments need to release their citizens and stop dictating. Let people get on with their lives
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Stephanie Olsen
2 days ago
She’s brilliant. I think she was doing what her highest sense of right was guiding her to do.

Karl w
1 day ago
If only more modelers were like this. I have a feeling that in most of the western world the general starting point with these people is “covid bad”.

Bruno
3 days ago
Well Freddie, good interview as usual. I admire your diplomatic touch because when I talk to my danish friends and seen from Sweden at the time, all wasn’t well in the danish kingdom.
For one thing, Mette Fredriksen the PM, lied a hell of a lot. Borders didn’t have to be closed and she was advised not to. It was an entire political and populist decision along the Norwegian lines.
Now…..are the Danes right to lift all measures ? You bet !! And for one reason. As much as the Danes might good obedient citizens, there would be a time where no one would follow any kind of restrictions.
The Swedes, who do not turn this pandemic into a political show, understood it from day one.
Time will tell if they were right or wrong. I wish them to be right because, if not, the lockdown Krampus in France will have a field day trying to lock us down.
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Circus 11
2 days ago (edited)
This is a very interesting interview , thank you very much. I am writing from Germany, where many people are becoming more and more desperate because the government does not dream of ending the strict rules. Instead, people continue to be frightened and it is claimed – despite insufficient data – that we are not sufficiently vaccinated. Children have to wear masks even in the schoolyard and, depending on how hysterical their parents are, are hardly allowed to meet other children. People in Germany have not been allowed to sing for 2 years. We have students who have not sung a single song in school since they started school.
We have a health minister whose fear (before SARS-Cov-2 came into our lives) of eating salt was great enough to talk about it in several interviews. It is sick.
The scientists who did the modeling for us were regularly off the mark in much the same way as GB.
The population no longer has confidence in its government – on both sides: those in favor of strict measures and those who feel locked in.
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B.E. Lewis
3 days ago
Freddie is being very diplomatic asking how “Different groups of modelers can come up with such divergent things.” But at some point the obvious has to be addressed, which is that it’s irresponsible to come up with drastically inaccurate “things” in your modeling. You don’t get an A for effort in science. Only for correct results.
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Boomdiada.
3 days ago
Thank you for a rational discussion based on Science and facts. Much appreciated.
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Mofenyi Choma
3 days ago
I think Denmark made the right choice. For the next video I would like to suggest that you speak about mandatory policies being implemented in many South African Universities. I would also like to hear more about what African countries are doing now.
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FrühbisSpät TV
10 minutes ago
Mr. Sayers, you do an incredible job as an interviewer.
And you had a great guest today.

z
3 days ago
It’s nearly two years late.
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Barun Mitra
2 days ago
A very good discussion bringing out the significance of Transparency and Trust as the key elements in any public policy discourse, such as the pandemic. Both Denmark and Sweden illustrated it. Unfortunately, many governments chose to sacrificed transparency and people responded by mistrusting the government agencies.

Naoko1875
3 days ago
I really appreciate your work on this channel. It’s always refreshing to listen to people who argue just based on common sense.

Alistair Clark
1 day ago (edited)
This is great! I just hope China doesn’t continue to release more variants. We need to seriously consider this is intentional biowarfare and is far from over. I wish our Canadian government would speak honestly and sensibly without predicting with bias.

Jan Hemmer
2 days ago
As for the evolution of a virus, it was Pasteur in the 19th century noticing that the virulence of a virus also depended of the route it takes through different species.
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gerafina li
1 day ago
The inaccurate modelling of many countries could be based on the inaccuracies of the data collected. Especially when many countries can not differentiate people in hospital because of Covid and people in hospital with Covid.

Ken Van de Burgt
3 days ago
Modeling of COVID has the same problem as the climate change claptrap. The climate model projections are profoundly wrong when compared to empirical data yet the government policies continue to be made on the basis of the models. GIGO models are not helpful.
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Shawn Eavis
1 day ago
God bless Denmark! Hopefully Canada and other countries will follow suit!

S Verhulst
3 days ago
This is what ethical and independent journalism should look like.
Something that the MSM has miserably failed to do so, the last 2 years !
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Lolita Tudayan
3 days ago
Leaders around the world pushing for vaccine mandates should follow Denmark’s good example!

Barb A
3 days ago
Unheard, you are a light in the window for the weary. Thank you for the hope offered through such thorough journalism and interviews.
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Tudor Arter
4 hours ago
Excellent interview.Questions polite but pointed. Critique of UK modellers and their predictions discreet and yet quite damning!

Lance Lickfold
2 days ago
In April of 2020, Professor Michael levitt ( who won a Nobel prize for his modeling) came out with weekly reports showing how wrong the modeling of Professor Ferguson was, he was censored, ridiculed and told to “two the line”.
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MyThoughts
2 days ago
Thank you Freddie. She really is not committing herself one way or the other. Does not want to say natural immunity is stronger than vaccine immunity (although data shows that). She does not want to say anything really outright… So yes, for a country that is much colder for much longer than US for instance, I think Denmark is either brave or reckless. Time will tell.
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adventure_photo
3 days ago
None of the variants have been serious enough to justify anything that has occurred over the last two years.
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John Awakening
10 hours ago
Thanks again Freddy. Not many of the commentators from the UK appeal to me from the point of view of; content, level of discussion and level of clarity of thought. There only really seems to be you and Peter Whittle who can produce this quality of balanced and intelligent discussions.
This is another super job, I look forward to your future presentations.
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Annafaith
3 days ago (edited)
A lovely Doctor, its heart warming to hear some one of her position speak common sense, and refreshing to learn the team she works with are objective in their data modeling without bias and without bringing politics into it. Please can we change Governments with the UK for Denmark. If only. (sigh)

A. Leeman
2 days ago (edited)
Thanks Freddie Sayers for a really good interview!
It shows, beyond doubt, how modelers in other European countries are strongly (negatively) biased by political contexts, instead of aiming for pragmatic data evaluation. Maybe we can even call those other modelers fraudulent, as they apparently serve a political purpose instead of a scientific one..
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Nathalie Veilleux
2 days ago
Bravo to the Denmark country! Everybody should follow your lead! Here in Canada with the “Freedom Convoy 2022” things are starting to turn around. Hoping that other countries will follow the Denmark and the Canada will follow as well. God bless you all who are trying to end this nonsense.

greenbank
2 hours ago
Brilliant interview, brilliant Dr Holten-Moller. Great questions Freddie.

Stefan Schuepfer
3 days ago
Cases cannot be compared, because the actual numbers are a multiple of the tested one, especially with Omicron
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Lisa Knudson LCSW
Lisa Knudson LCSW
1 day ago
Sensible policy from a trustworthy govt. Sigh…if only the U.S., Australia, Israel and others countries would follow suit.

Tlb
2 days ago
This is heartwarming, thank you Denmark love from Australia
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James Smith
3 days ago (edited)
Asking one modeler to assess another person’s model and to keep laboring this is crass.
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Sara Σοφία
3 days ago
This woman seems like a great scientist! Thank you for your service!

Mark Harding
1 day ago
Modelling has limited usefulness, in that models can only use the existing understanding of the phenomena. Any errors in the model, including inputs, but also the intrinsic mechanisms that the model uses to generate the output, can cause the output to be erroneous and these errors can often be non-linear. The perfect model is impossible to produce and if it could would likely involve creating a duplicate of the universe and running that simulation in real time, which is not particularly practical.
That given, the modelers who create more accurate models, as defined by being a better fit to the actual observed data, should be applauded and rewarded and the modelers who produced wildly inaccurate models should be stood aside. A natural evolution of models would then occur whereby the erroneous models would be pushed out by better models. The better models should be made available to the modeling community such that they can be “improved” by a wide range of modelers, and the evolutionary process repeated where the improved models survive and the lesser are discarded. As it stands, the modelers in the UK and Australia (who largely use the UK model as I understand it) should discard their models completely as they are clearly unfit for use. They would do well to learn from the Danish approach.
This would, however, be a very difficult task, in that it would require modelers to abandon their models (if they are found lacking). Some of these models have been worked on for many years and have huge investments of time and effort and ego. Such a radical approach may be too much to accomplish. But, if any area could do it, epidemiological modeling surely would be a good one as there is a large upside to cooperation and limited pressures against cooperation (there aren’t, or at least shouldn’t be, particularly large financial or political forces preventing it).
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sosaysthecaptain
3 days ago (edited)
So glad she had a change of heart, but permission from the government to live your life isn’t good enough. These tyrants need to be stripped of power, and measures must be put in place so that nothing like this can ever happen again.
This lady and her bosses belong in prison.
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Diane Bode
Diane Bode
2 days ago
Yea, Denmark. Heart to heart, mind to mind, we can reach out and help each other creatively.
Reach out to help Canada. What the Canadian Truckers and all the Canadians supporting them deserve all of our support worldwide. THANK YOU!
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drum2be I Markus Gerlach
3 days ago
Great Interview! Don’t forget, live is risky and ends: smoking, drinking, driving, sports, household,… And don’t understimate your natural immune system,-). In the meantime we should focus on a daily human, peaceful and joyful life here and now. Because that’s all there ever is.
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mowen0yuriko
3 days ago
Denmark uses models to inform health authorities whereas UK models are designed to increase fear among the general public
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Karl Juhnke
1 day ago
Slowly, ever slowly common sense makes a comeback. Let us hope this continues.

mark hughes
14 hours ago
Requoting Dr. Lynn Flynn
‘For the first time in history we can transmit a disease that we don’t have to a person who is immunised.’
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Josh Eastwold
3 days ago
Freddie is a freaking star, and Dr. Holten-Møller is an amazing guest; a perfect model for others in public health communication.
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Henk V
2 days ago
Thank you, I think much less of modelers these days, considering. I am glad to see some modelers still have integrity. The standard should be to see who hits the mark consistently and continue to use these academics compared to the “let’s do (use) the same thing hoping for a different result.”

Jackie Wakeham
3 days ago
We must talk about natural immunity as normal and better than vaccine
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Frederick Swartzendruber
Frederick Swartzendruber
2 days ago
Accurate modeling and forecasting = less panic and more reasonable recommendations by health authorities. In the US, models have to take into account that over half the population is diabetic or prediabetic.
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James Laver
1 day ago
Could it be Denmark’s ability to perform accurate modelling has something to do with the fact as a small country they weren’t given a seat at the pandemic “lockstep” planning that preceded the actual pandemic and therefore their modelling was not subject to the prescribed erroneous methodologies? Call me cynical but that’s how I interpret it.
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bzdtemp
2 days ago
It is almost to see those that suggest that Denmark ending corona restrictions, shows that restrictions have been unnecessary and even oppressive ie. abuse of power. Those people totally ignore that had Denmark not had restrictions and also population following medical experts, then many many more Danish lives would have been lost and likely many thousands Danes would suffering from long term or permanent health damages due to COVID.
That things have not been so bad in Denmark is a clear demonstration that restrictions have been necessary and effective, any one suggesting otherwise need look no further than to countries that did not get restrictive from day one and that have not run effective testing including requiring test/vaccine/immunity passports.
In Denmark we have had 647 Covid fatalities per million people, the number for Sweden is 1,562, for the UK it is 2,275 and for the US it is 2,724 deaths per million.
The numbers show restrictions work, the numbers are obvious and should be so even for those that do not wanna admit it is so.
The US number of deaths is btw. shocking because they had the chance to do much better than any European nation, COVID spread here sooner than in the US and also the US had a head starts with the vaccines only they messed up and are keeping to do so in many states. The US is far behind when it comes to being vaccinated, but even more importantly there is to many not following science and they are paying for it – the US is on the way to a million COVID deaths.
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John Wilhelm
3 days ago
Freddie, your program is always so refreshingly intelligent. We could also use that Professor from Denmark in the USA…..
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Joris Bolhuis
1 day ago
Very nice insights into the specifics of how she and her colleagues took into account individual behavior and the depletion effect. Also the very localized informing and advising is really insightful. Unfortunately, Dutch media only portray Denmark as: “the Danes did listen to their government, our people never do”. Instead, people in power should focus more on individuals being able to think for themselves and give good unbiased information to let them make choices.
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Jean Dixon
3 days ago
Next up – climate change mandates.
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Laura Dimama
Laura Dimama
2 days ago
Interesting how nervous “experts” get about natural immunity and yet are so confident in a new technology injection that we are seeing has waning immune protection per the data. And with more injections the immunity is shorter duration and increase risk of negative efficacy.
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MyLil Ramey
3 days ago
I applaud Denmark for having people external to the politics of the country involved in the modeling.
It is tragic that there are too many perverse incentives in some countries, especially the US where I live, to keep this pandemic alive. The degree of fear-mongering and mandatory actions that are unwarranted based on the data combined with the silence of the medical community is like nothing I’ve ever seen in 30 years as a healthcare professional.
I can only pray that Denmark will lead the way for other countries and our attention will turn to where this virus came from. And so many respects I believe the hysteria of the numbers is a convenient destruction to investigation of the truths.
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CaitoKal
2 days ago
I am looking forward to the day where Australia gets to this point. We are going the other way….
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M. Bouanane
3 days ago (edited)
SAGE’ modellers have recognised they were making models the government asked for. No other argument could explane why so enormous difference between UK & DK models, two close countries and cultures. And many other EU countries – at least FR – have believed in UK’s models and were prepared for the worst scenario thru imposing more restrictions…
In one case it was a political model, while in the other case, it was a mathematical model.
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Steve Smith
2 days ago
Instead of treating us like adults we were treated like idiots and had to have the scariest numbers to make us comply. And yet many people are still wearing masks in supermarkets while you can go into a crowded pub without one and that was the case throughout December and January!

David Barry
3 days ago
Not a UK citizen, but there still seems to be a lot of conflation of responsibility between modelers’ model results, and how the govt and media (BBC etc.) pick and choose the most alarmist version to present to the public. Modelers always present a range of possible forecasts, given that they are dealing with huge unknowns. Government response has to take into account the possibility that the worst cases MAY occur. Media reporting though – they’re just in it for the most sensational option possible; i.e. whatever will get the greatest number of readers/viewers – and they tend to de-emphasize (or fully ignore) the nuances.
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Mary Hudson
3 days ago
As ever, a first-class conversation!
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Vela Vilina
2 days ago (edited)
All i can say is that she was “very diplomatic” all the way! The other thing: “vaccines are great” when all true scientists talking about something totally different! We will see in time how great this gene therapy was actually.
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Clifford Cobsilen
2 days ago
It’s elating to know about this. Hope other countries follow.

SapphireStone
2 days ago
It’s interesting cause in my area it actually appeared to be the vaccinated that were infected first with omicron and in much larger quantity of infection, and then the non-vacccinated seemed to be infected by vaccinated people. Regardless though we certainly have herd immunity now, the vast amount of the population have had it.

Joe Shmoe
2 hours ago
Our ‘modeling’ in Canada was SOOOOOOOOOO far off as to be a total joke. Provincial numbers never reached the entire country’s numbers. The focus should have been on the truly vulnerable. Destroying my small business did not save 1 single life…..

Stan Weaver
1 day ago
It’s good to have some logical discussion being aired.
But it really just makes it so glaringly apparent how deficient logic has been ever since we had enough information to know roughly what the situation was.
In my country they are vigorously pushing the present ineffective shots for groups who have never become ill.?
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Lesley Hobbs
2 days ago
Congratulations Freddie – brilliant and refreshing interview.

Iga 27
3 days ago
better late than never
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Jen
3 days ago
all governments SHOULD LEARN from DENMARK
grateful to unherd for covering this

Dan L
2 days ago
Now its time to make sure that those that pushed this whole insanity do not get away without answering for their actions

santy asanuma
2 days ago
This one of the smartest move in way forward in dealing with Covid19. Kudos to Denmark

Kate
1 day ago
Way to go. Let’s hope Canada follows this
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Nadine Tasmania
2 days ago
Brilliant interview, good reporting and sensible information. Thank you!

dabrupro
3 days ago
A prescription is the end of a process that involves describing, which is continual.
Narcissistic prescriptionism seems to be the prevailing thought pattern
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Herman Seabird
2 days ago
Oh my Gawd! There is hope in this world! This is history in the making by logically thinking leaders and a Humane government.
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Sooraj Subramaniam
2 days ago
At the risk of being unpopular, could the probability of higher degree of ‘common sense’ and societal compliance be because the population of Denmark is far more culturally and politically homogenous than say places like the USA and the UK? They also enjoy a greater standard of living, I assume, so people feel less boxed in by their governments?
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Believe URHappy
2 days ago
Excellent work from Denmark. Hopefully Australia will catch on soon and follow suit.

Alistair Williams
2 days ago
You need to remember its a smaller country with less immigration and congestion. The PPM (parts per million) would be a factor as the UK has more cities of larger scale so a coefficient factor has a bigger impact on a larger society in totally. Nice report, John Campbell is doing some good work on following the epidemic too.

Rael Sackey
2 days ago
Denmark was the colonial “master” of the islands from which I hail(US Virgin Islands). The USA bought the islands in 1917. Most people thought that was great. As a Progressive, I think we would be better off today. Most natives never enjoyed the individual economic wealth of the US, and experienced debilitating immigration and subsequent overpopulation from people wanting to live in a US territory. The most important thing is, we do not have a Progressive government.
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Ray Greenwood
3 days ago (edited)
no, there are still restrictions for unjabbed. we require a negative test yet the jabbed dont, we can all see the data that the jabbed are getting greater number/%of omicon infections than unjabbed. its not over
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Bobbie Jay
3 days ago
Australia here … so different from our experience here. The quality of our advisors is on notice by the public. Very conservative thinking here. Healthy society, bravo Denmark. Our Princess Mary made the right move

marian lynch
3 days ago
Thank you to England…you started the ball rolling in these islands….and here in Ireland we followed you. You were the leader..
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Z
2 days ago
Good for you! Hope our morons in Canadian government and Ontario can see it the way you do and give us back our freedom. I am sick of living in a prison.

Nkosi K
2 days ago
wonderfully informative interview, very insightful, wish SA would go the same route as Denmark

Bisbo Nian
1 day ago
Denmark is not pushing an agenda, but rather giving the public a realistic view of the situation.

dumb dumber
3 days ago
This was a very interesting interview. Thanks for posting. ALL political parties agreeing. Unherd of in modern times.
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David price
2 days ago
My wife and I live in Nicaragua. Nicaragua was one of the last to close its borders. And that was because there was absolutely no way to get in. Nicaragua never closed schools and never closed business. The hospitals here are free so the hospitals are always full. Nicaragua had a higher amount of deaths in April,May and June. Things slowed down in July of 2020 and the hospitals or clinics never had the excess deaths again. I truly believe we got herd immunity. The public transportation never stopped and they pack them in. Some schools the kids wear masks and some doesn’t. I think the only reason this Administration changed some things is pressure from the world bank. The bank was paying all of the countries in Central America. The only thing hurting Nicaragua is no tourist. It has devastated business.
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Linda Zerr
3 days ago
Denmark is also mobilizing a Freedom 2022 convoy, like Canada.
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Abhi Anand
Abhi Anand
2 days ago
Denmark is opening up because they are humble enough to silently admit all their restrictions FAILED. They have the highest case rates; even compared to rates in Africa or SE Asia, mRNA countries have high rates of infections. Needs to be looked into

Egil Bru Overaa
3 days ago
Did Danmark go into lockDown in march 2020 after receiving a analysis report from Norway? How was the quality of the analysis assessed?
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Brian O’Flynn
3 days ago
Excellent interview, both well prepared , Dr Camilla very well informed

Nana Browne
3 days ago
So proud of UK and Denmark, hope the Netherlands is next!

batcryalok
3 days ago
Lots of people want to be taken care of and don’t want to think for themselves. Government can easily control them via care and scare.
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Glenn Mitchell
3 days ago (edited)
It would be interesting to see a similar analysis and explanation of leading (and/or competing) climate change models.
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Marc Turmel
Marc Turmel
2 days ago
Great interview, good to see common sense slowly coming back…

d2
2 days ago
Humble, knowledgable and fine. Denmark knows how to make statisticians.

Roeland L.C. Heijting
3 days ago
Modelling is very difficult. As my final work was about simulation of chemical processes in industrial systems I know what I’m talking about, I know that one of the most important issues is to adapt your model continuously to make it fit to the old data. Only like this you can predict, with new influences like a new variant of a virus, the future in a useable way. That is what is missing in many countries.
A last question is the influence of certain measurements and vaccination on reality and how they inputted this in the Danish model, as we see quite some statistical analysis which show the marginal to none effect on the epidemic flow. I would love to go through this with the Danish modelling group.
Thanks for this positive video.
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Margareta Laine
13 hours ago
Congratulations to Denmark, Camilla ,for Teamworking, Seqvenserat, Small
Country
You won over Sweden Deathrates is Facit!

Flick Schmitt
2 days ago
Pleease send this educated and sensible lady to Australia for our all our sakes!
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Simon Edge
3 days ago
I’m not form the UK, but I’m curious…
Can the UK make these progressive policy decisions RE COVID now because they are not tethered to the EU anymore?
(I mean it looks like countries like France, Germany & Austria are going into full-on “1984” mode whereas UK is a bit of a ray of light…)
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Tanya Edwards
Tanya Edwards
3 days ago
According to travel restrictions, it seems that people still need to show passports, unvaccinated people need to quarantine for up to 10 days? Or have the restrictions not been updated with this latest brilliant news?
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Dark Knight
3 days ago
I was with her until she started advocating for the jabs
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Miriam Tuazon
2 days ago
So at the end of the broadcast, the lovely Danish expert very diplomatically stated that Danish people’s common sense indeed was common enough that people willingly changed their behaviours before further restrictions had to be instituted by the government. Much respect to the Danish people!
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Janine de Villiers
2 days ago
Yes, I believe they made the right decision. It does not sound like Denmark would make rash decisions. And I’m sure they will closely monitor anything of concern that may arise, and adjust. South Africa was ignored.
It would be great if she would have been in Germany too! Thank you both for the interview.
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Dutch Super Empath
3 days ago
Yes. Indeed. I wouldn’t go partying when people are dying on the streets.
Let people think for themselves. It makes us better people.
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Kilikina
3 days ago (edited)
Great news! Denmark leading the World in intelligence and sanity. Thank you!

The Spitfirer
1 day ago
Happy for the Danes but such heartbreaking to watch as here in Italy restrictions are being tightened again…

didanz100
3 days ago
I would like to know what cycle threshold they are using for the PCR test
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Ajmal khan Achakzai
Ajmal khan Achakzai
3 days ago
Seems like Denmark has no politics involved in corona virus management. Very sensible and knowledgeable doctor
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Crystal Marie
Crystal Marie
3 days ago
Kudos to ! May all countries follow suit. Keep up the good fight! Freedom over fear!

Johanna Barry
3 days ago
Gosh if I was a member of the SAGE modeling group I would be feeling very embarrassed. Can we sack the lot and get some of the money paid to them back. They are either charlatans or utterly incompetent.
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Nick L
2 days ago
A sad indictment on the modelling community in the UK who have blatantly been manipulating fear mongering to out compete each other.

John Birman
2 days ago
Covid Restrictions “Death Nell” basically Ended when the Supreme Court of the USA said: “No!”
The Decision “herd” (Heh Heh) around the world.
It was similar to that little boy crying out: “Look! The Emperor has no clothes on!”
Once again, for all Her faults the United States Of America has proven Herself.
Well done Denmark – the Viking Blood still flows!
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Amber Lee Sealey
2 days ago
They keep the door open for new variants though, don’t they! Let’s keep the fear happening
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Bernadette LaFave
3 days ago
Great discussion !! Thank you for this informative interview …. Wonderful news about the lifting of restrictions in Denmark !!

loloqueen87
3 days ago
I’m so impressed with the type of Journalism unHerd represents.

James Fitzgerald
3 days ago
Great podcast … as always. UnHerd is one of my faves.

Marie C
1 day ago
Can Dr Camilla come to the Philippines, too? We have gorgeous beaches and unlimited fresh coconuts! Thank you, Freddie Sayers for featuring her and for your thoughtful questions.

boxsterbenz
3 days ago
love the way that you ask your questions. greatly informative. have followed you channel since mid-2020. thank you.

Alfred Reithermann
3 days ago (edited)
Bit Bloody late…And why the Jab the Kids…. disgraceful…Next time, let the Virologists, NOT the bloody “Modellers”, run things..
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KMY
2 days ago
Every journalist in America should watch and listen this guy 23 hours a day and then do their reporting for 1 hr.

recent football nirvana
3 days ago
Freedom is at stake California woke should be taken as a comedy
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DJ
3 days ago
This is just so wonderful to hear. Such a calm and measured conversation. Comparatively here in Australia, we have hysteria, fear and unhinged public servants and medical ‘experts’ driving division, kids with masks at schools, consideration of 4th boosters and that covid control will never end.

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Ken Shackleton
1 day ago
So happy to see this. They make recommendations now, not dictates.

Makumbo Lindo
1 day ago (edited)
I´m a 66 years old person, my wife 67. We never been vaccinated for influenza and corona, we are still alive without any symptoms at all. Motion/exercise, eat good, don´t stress, drink much water, some cup of wine sometimes, that´s all. “be positive and not negative” Good luck.

B McD
3 days ago
Such great questions from Freddie.
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Rose Navan
1 day ago
Yes! very good for such right decision. I hope many countries will be awaken to reality.

jspyrogram
3 days ago
I have not experienced any restrictions where I live. Missouri, USA
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iPhilGood
3 days ago
“The closer the collapse of an Empire, the crazier its laws.”
– Cicero
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Eidolon#
3 days ago (edited)
Maths computer modeling: Building<->studying<->testing ->USE.
Moddeling goal is changing behaviors: “…actually we saw that people try to change their behavior…”, Dr Camilla Holten-Møller.
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Waitaki Orchards
3 days ago
Here in New Zealand I now find myself living in the middle of a red light district surrounded by people scared of spreading disease.

Richard Mulligan
16 hours ago
Fantastic interview – thank you both. I think a major factor with Denmark and other Scandinavian countries is their transparency with how they arrive at their decisions and the governments are less inclined to bash people with a big stick to do what they want them to do. This results in much more trust in the public health system and what they are saying – i mean how often do advisors in other countries admit they have made mistakes…
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Michelle Bistrup
1 day ago
This needs to happen worldwide

AjitB07
3 days ago
They did not end them all, some still need testing
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J
3 days ago
Bravo! Done with demonstration. Proud of you Denmark.
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Angela Bobanna
Angela Bobanna
2 days ago
New variants can change this in a heartbeat. And to quote a world renowned virologist “name a virus that has become LESS virulent?”
The vaccine has made this infection less severe for most not the virus.

Baby Tho.
2 days ago
Only one mandate to enforce “those who are symptomatic like cough, sneeze, runny nose etc. must use masks”

Adrian Ryan
2 days ago
It isn’t true that Delta was more severe. Wave 2 (Northern Hemisphere winter) took the highest toll of deaths in the UK. Delta did not appear until the Summer of 2021 and in total has a much smaller death toll.

Sue Edwards
2 days ago
If only other governments would see the logic of this. If they can do this, why can’t everywhere else.

VerySeriousUser
3 days ago
After a quick glance on the mortality with covid numbers for Denmark it seems weird that they suddenly did the opposite to what they thought was so important 2 years ago. Deaths now are more than during the initial wave. I have to rewatch it because I did not really understand her argument for just getting rid of all the measures, when looking at the numbers.
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Zeb Mason
Zeb Mason
2 days ago
Epidemics don’t grow exponentially otherwise they would break the laws of Mathematics. I don’t think any modeller would assume exponential growth as none of their models would reproduce it.

JC
3 days ago
Denmark and UK are doing the right actions. Here in Australia, God help us. @Dan andrews …..
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Dennis Enkurs
Dennis Enkurs
3 days ago
You guys are using common sense with this. God bless you with wisdom and understanding

Dave Walter
3 days ago
As the British statistician George Box is alleged to have said: “All models are wrong, but some are useful.” Seems like Denmark ended up with the useful models and the UK with the same garbage modelling they have been getting since at least Mad Cow days.

Casa del Agua Gerald Webb
1 day ago
What’s interesting..is, she refers always to an epidemic rather than a pandemic!

Nina L
2 days ago
Unherd do have many high quality interviews, Freddie is great.

GlobalRoamer
3 days ago
We need this lady here in Australia
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Tom Karnes
3 days ago
Let me get this straight we can have an open society only after we flatten the curve, I want a debate with Deloris Cahill, she will flatten your head
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Gary Rockliff
3 days ago
The healthcare system runs more effectively than other developed countries, such as the U.S. and other European countries. For instance, experts attribute low mortality in Denmark to its healthcare success. Health expenditure is high in Denmark, as the country spends 10.3% of its GDP on healthcare services.9 July 2020

Lee Court
3 days ago
Always such great questions Freddie
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earthflute
21 hours ago
Case numbers should NEVER have been used to determine policy. So what, people get sick all the time from flu, pneumonia, etc.. don’t care. Treat the symptoms.
You should be interested in the impact on medical systems and of course deaths.
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Rommel Lagera
3 days ago (edited)
I always ask in comments if there are any model that say, at least with high probability, that this pandemic will end using current vaccines with given current rate of mutations. If none, why do majority of countries continue with policies that support such non existant model. Denying unvaccinated access to public transportation or restaurant are only expensive to implement but with unclear objectives and plausible results.
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daryl foster
3 days ago
Wow, if you’re sick, stay home. How profound. Seems like that was known as common sense, pre-Covid.
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ToonLinksDair
3 days ago
What information is there about Omicron and long covid? There are 1.3 million people in the UK with long covid. Just because deaths and hospitalisations are low does not mean that you can’t end up being unwell for months on end.
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HALLELUJAH PG
HALLELUJAH PG
3 days ago
I AM VERY VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THIS GOOD NEWS:GOD BLESS DENMARK
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Kurt Groat
3 days ago
Denmark and the rest of the Western world is opening up (slowly sometimes). Meanwhile in Zero COVID China the nightmare continues.
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Scott Watrous
3 days ago
This presentation would be more than sufficient to cause a grand jury to indict the relevant British authorities. That is also the case for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. These nations are known as the English speaking world or variously the 5 eyes nations. Saying the latter reminds me that Bibi Netanyahu in a public forum stated Israel is the 6th eye and strongly implied that Israel ranked second in terms of intelligence capabilities. And we know how Israel has proceeded. Thank you Freddy and thank you to the Danish woman. If she contacted Danish ministries for permission to be so candid thank you to those officials as well.
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tudomerda
1 day ago
I’d like to ask that Expert why there wasn’t a lockdown nor any travel restrictions for countries with Ebola ?, not once was there a international embargo on any of those countries, Ebola has a 100% mortality rate.

Ruth Longridge
3 days ago
So now it appears that the whole thing was a way to stamp authority on the situation, in readiness for next time….
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C Forester
2 days ago
Great interview. Thumbs up to both interviewer and interviewee.

Kaj Jensen
2 days ago (edited)
As a danish citizen, i just have to say, that the statistical models that has been used for political decision making in Denmark has previously been HIGHLY overshooting the consequences of dropping restrictions, -e.g. this spring when masks were put down, the models suggested a “disaster”, which did not happen. So I believe, that with the most conservative models, -we are now on the safe side. The models have also in Denmark been outrageously wrong (to the preventive side), but as also said in the interview, there are so many parameters to be entered as input to such models that they have so far been quite un-useful (but used anyways by the politicians !!!!), and one should probably rather base future political decisions based on something else, -at least until a couple of years has passed, and the models are tuned into reality.
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Tony Conrad
10 hours ago
I am glad we were exposed to Omicron in our house over Christmas. I think the immunity will be better than from a vaccine personally.
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Gustav Skans
2 days ago
Finally. They are becoming more like Sweden as we have never had lockdown or face mask mandates.

Renier du Plessis
1 day ago
Policies on Public health can not be dictated to by a single disease. Legislation for one disease will impact the outcome of other health factors.

Mel BBB
2 days ago
thank you for speaking truth! In Canada we are still being lied to, i don’t understand it
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Patricia Delaney
3 days ago
Impeccable interview, as always
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N. David Miller
3 days ago (edited)
Is it conspiratorial to recognize that more alarming predictions profit all of those who are connected to pharmaceutical companies or benefit from their money? Come now, let’s not be coy.
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HighOnHill
1 day ago
One possible explanation for Denmark getting it so right when the UK got it so wrong is CHANCE. Maybe they just got lucky.

Gail
3 days ago
I wish she would come over the vast Atlantic Ocean ( via the internet of course) to the USA and tell them that they are wrong with what they are doing to its citizens and that they need to use their common sense from this day forward to end this pandemic!

Richard S
3 days ago
That’s a smart human there, absolutely measured responses, won’t speak about things they aren’t informed about, doesn’t pretend there are any simple soundbite responses.
Freddy sure fished for some moments but she absolutely stayed on target.
The question Freddy should have asked is ‘How can we in England learn from you and the way your politicians and science data modellers understand epistemic humility?’
Or something like that
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Paul Badics
3 days ago
Govts in canada & other countries would never acknowledge that population could modify behaviour without laws & mandates

lis t
2 days ago
What fantastic news. Flu, people stay at home, respect your fellow companion if you sneeze or cough use your elbow or tissue. If Denmark can do this please God other countries will follow. People respect your health, exercise, diet love your body it does everything for you, time to heal

David Wensbo Posaric
3 days ago
@29:50 “There doesn’t have to be a law… people have brains…”. We would all benifit from some politicians paying greater attention to this statement.
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Dave Andrews
3 days ago
CDC, NIH, Mayo and the MSM needs to wake up and listen to this! We should be following suit.
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Norman Lorrain
21 hours ago
Are these models open source? I’m interested in how modeling works.

Cinderella De Vil
3 days ago
The CDC published a big data paper supporting natural immunity.
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John Kooy
3 days ago
Another brilliant interview done by Freddie Sayers.
My two Favourite people for today are Camilla and Freddie for sure.
I hope that everything you said today you were allowed to say for you were being very honest there about you British goon squad of modellers.

Pat Nelson
2 days ago
I believe tourists will be flocking to Denmark when the weather warms up.
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Truformable
3 days ago
I am so sceptical about this voluntarily step by Denmark ‘officials’. The statistics says taht 80% of Danish people `took the jab`, so NGO decided to give puppet reward for being good and doing all the commands.
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Studebaker
Studebaker
2 days ago
The Danish government treats its population as intelligent beings, unlike the UK Establishment which treats people as serfs.

Jonnipon
3 days ago
Freddie is the one trying to politice the issue in this interview.
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Birds Aloud
2 days ago
It is great that Denmark scrapped the legal framework which had given the government emergency/dictatorship powers. They are the first European country todo so.

Leigh Cecil
1 day ago (edited)
Wow a government that listens to sound medical advice…! Not like the scaredemic in Australia..! Thankyou for the post

Adam Marr
3 days ago
Meanwhile here in Australia we still walk around like masked zombies towards a vaccine passport cliff.
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Andrew Sheehy
3 days ago
Thank goodness for this – common sense prevails at last.
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Larry Smith
1 day ago
To flatten the curve, flatten corporate-government overreach, something that is not ever going to happen.

Reald
3 days ago
FREEDOM !
Never Comply !
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Sarah Lloyd
Sarah Lloyd
2 days ago
Denmark leaders obviously are sane. Thank You, Denmark!

Charisma Hornum-Fries
3 days ago
So it’s probably fine to get rid of all restrictions. Some of the Danish experts wants the mask to stay around as every case of covid is equal to sick days and that might damage places of work. But we will see after tomorrow.

Shan Rafnezden
3 days ago
How can she still say, ‘you never know who could get severe illness.’ We do know who can get severe illness…

Donna Collingridge
2 days ago (edited)
Yes very good news now Canada should also end all these ridiculous mandates.Over 90% of Canadians have had these shots.Congratulations.
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Ray’s Dad
3 days ago
Yes, the British modelers are fearmongers, and Neil Ferguson is the worst of the worst.
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Anthony Lemkendorf
3 days ago
Congratulations;A blind Squirrel can occasionally run into a nut .
It’s doubtful we’ll ever be able to trust ( in Western Countries)”Government sponsored science”in quiet the same way .
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Andrew Tannenbaum
2 days ago (edited)
10:29 She contradicts her premise that omicron cases are extremely high, but mild. There is a very strong case that they are in fact what will ‘vaccinate’ the population from all variants, going forward. She claims ignorance of this topic, while pushing vaccines.

C St
3 days ago
Dr Camila and Freddie thank you great news Denmark sounds like the place to be

Daniel Hartwig
3 days ago
Good on Denmark lead the world away from lies and mandates ! All governments who took freedom away from citizens need prosecution. Soldiers die for freedom so must politicians and public servants face death for taking freedom from citizens.
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Sunny Jo
19 hours ago
Austria desperately needs to listen to this rational sensible lady!!

Patrick VB
2 days ago
Fabulous guest, great questions also, thank you!!!
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cleve barnes
3 days ago
How many of the hospitalizations in that chart are vaccinated? We need to know because in the US we are being told no vaccinated are in the hospital.
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Commenter
3 days ago
In terms of modeling, not sure if anybody is doing better than Japan, but nice what Denmark has done. What about the travel restrictions?

Spkay
3 days ago (edited)
If only our public servants in the UK could talk to the facts like this!
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Rony Zmiri
2 days ago
Simply an amazing interview with an amazing lady!

Jackie Wakeham
3 days ago
Well done Denmark, sanity at last
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Kennedy San
2 days ago
Interesting, some businesses continuing with vax passport requirements despite no legal mandate….i think these companies would want to be careful.
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Rowena McMahon
14 hours ago
Well Denmark is the place to visit now. Beautiful country!
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Anup Kumar
3 days ago
It is interesting case rising but Denmark is ending restrictions. Why? Although the source is leery to say that. Most likely explanation is the because Omicron is almost like a vaccine at the population level. Sure some may get severe infection but largely it seems Omicron infection at population level is the path to COVID becoming endemic.
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peachmelba1000
3 days ago (edited)
This woman seems nice enough, but honestly I have lost all trust in scientists and doctors at this point. They must never again be granted such sweeping powers as they have been these last two years.
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Mark Cox
3 days ago
I have only one disagreement with Camilla. I don’t think we need fear future variants. A virus has only one purpose: its own reproduction. Omicron is so successful we probably won’t see a more harmful variant. The great tragedy is that lockdowns probably slowed the progress of the virus towards this mostly harmless form. I would have thought epidemiologists knew this. Camilla’s modelling was accurate nonetheless. And now sanity returns to Denmark. (Why was SAGE so wrong? They had a different agenda.)
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Paulina Pi
2 days ago
This interview was a pleasure to watch! Thanks!

Theo Risoe
1 day ago
Excellent interview but should have asked if she received funding from the Gates Foundation.
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Steve Brown
3 days ago
It would appear that Denmark’s modelers were not under political pressure regarding maintaining a specific narrative.

Jenaya_Laila
2 days ago
Well well..the next more severe variant could, possibly lerk around the corner, but not this summer. Interesting to see if this lady is a fortune teller like so many of these presumed “experts ” are..
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Toto
3 days ago
Does it mean Danemark will be expelled from all social media except Spotify?
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Mia Ash
2 days ago
Well Done to Wonderful/Civilized Denmark!

Larry Go
3 days ago
Excellent interview and presentation. Thank you!

Lisa Fiel
2 days ago
So level headed. Italy Germany France Austria yes come to the same conclusions we are cheering you on

mats trommler
2 days ago
Wonderful that Denmark ends all covid laws. But thats not because of vaccination. We will still will see what the sideeffects will be on the long term.

Paul Badics
3 days ago
Clearly listening to this woman the biggest difference in modelling & policy is ATTITUDE ..UK has history of hysterical models & in Canada every “expert” on the govt science council always predict 10 times worse & always press govt to keep lockdowns & mandates harsher & longer even when case & hospitalizations are down

Nick the bubble
3 days ago
Anyone told the Australian prime minister?
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MARILOU LOO
3 days ago
Highly intelligent and really humanly caring Denmark, your the best.

JuliusSP1
3 days ago (edited)
Hi. i want to tell you all something. the vaccines have set the stage for the NEXT pandemic. I think the damage has been done b/c so many have been administered them and will continue to be administered them freely or by mandate.
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MIJ Greco
1 day ago
Deep down inside she really full of pride at what she has modelled and really wants to say ” look and learn bitches”.

Points HealthCoaching
3 days ago
Thank God that some countries are using their brains and science

Jenaya_Laila
2 days ago
“Open Society “. I can’t believe there are people out there who decide whether we have open societies or not…

Ingrid M.
2 days ago
Thank you very much for this awesome interview.

bruce wayne
1 day ago
“Flatten the curve”? Denmark currently has the U.S. equivalent of 2.2 million cases per day. They are currently averaging the U.S. equivalent of 1000 deaths per day. And just now they decide to end the restrictions? What the hell was the past two years for??????

multitablez
3 days ago
two years too late. so now shes like “oh we model this, so we go back to normal now” she talks like a politician. says a lot without saying anything. Something is not adding up. So today to say no restrictions, but in two months will you model something else and bring back lockdowns etc.
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Hugo Hernandez
3 days ago
Thank you Denmark! Much love and respect from México

Temper Hollow
2 days ago
With our Prime Minister hiding in a bunker (from the Freedom Convoy participants), it is unlikely that Canadians will see these welcome freedoms anytime soon. Good for Denmark.

gx toast
2 days ago
Still no mention of early treatment or even just plain old vitamin D, Zinc, etc. It is mind boggling.
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Leigh Kelly
3 days ago
Hooray A sensible, logical country at last

Patricia Lauria
3 days ago
Yes. There is now hope for other countries.

Yav
3 days ago
That’s basically Sweden since day one of this nonsense…
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Sebastian Gärtner
Sebastian Gärtner
12 hours ago
Well done Denmark!
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Chris T
2 days ago
140 studies agree – natural immunity is both more robust (broader) and longer lasting.
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Catarina SM
3 days ago
There are effective treatments that can help to overcome the surges and be free from further vaccination.

Gilbert Tessier
1 day ago
Great interview! Great interviewer and sensational interviewee! Many thanks!

Candice W Millones
3 days ago
Meanwhile in my state (U.S.A.) kindergarteners are still required to wear masks.
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Darko
3 days ago
Lockdown in Sweden? Where have you got this information from?
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Jennifer Smith
2 days ago
freddie you need to do one on canadian truckers, the true unheard

Lea Nielsen
2 days ago
As a Danish citizen I must say that this whole Corona-situation from inside of Denmark looks very political. We have a parliamentary election coming up within the next year and if the Primeminister’s polling numbers were up, she would have let the restrictions continue without a blink of the eye…. It is all dirty politics!
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Tom Leander
3 days ago
Over 11,000 people in the UK have died of Covid in the last 3 months, still around 1000 deaths per week. Which is considerably more than die on the roads each year.
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Tanne B
1 day ago
Must admit , I am proud of my small country

John
3 days ago
Definitely correct decision every country should do the same let’s get back to living again.

Ze Tristan
3 days ago
What a beautiful person and scientist!
(And Freddie Sayers top level as usual)
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Raph Ael
3 days ago
Incredible.
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Cotictimmy
2 days ago (edited)
What is the view of Stephen Kinnock’s Danish politician wife on this? Labour appears generally to favoured an authoritarian approach lockdown.
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DDUS4
2 days ago
As from the 31st of Jan, a new European law became applicable regarding clinical trials. Informed consent is required and all the restrictions are no longer applicable.
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Bruno Paredes
Bruno Paredes
2 days ago
it points out that modeling without approaching reality is a matter of luck.

Rhonda McKnight
2 days ago
Denmark has universal Healthcare which means healthier population than the USA to start with. Higher vaccine than USA too.

Bing X
3 days ago
So today, in Quebec. We are applying more freaking rules….
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a.l._819
3 days ago
Seriously help Italian Gov become sane again…
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Elaine Brown
Elaine Brown
2 days ago
Oh this was very interesting Freddy. Yes I wish this modeller would be in charge of Sage…
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BC
2 days ago
The UK government is committed to updating the Human Rights Act 1998. I have only heard of this on one YT channel but was able to confirm this through google. They want to “update” it to be able to over ride our rights if we’re naughty and don’t do what we’re told.

F Roy
4 hours ago
Yes it’s all coming down. You made the right decisions.

Sandra Walker
3 days ago
Integrity and honesty will go a long way!
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Nona
Nona
8 hours ago
The last third of the interview is really interesting in terms of the specifics.
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Beverley Saxophone
3 days ago
One thing you didn’t touch was the huge resistance to government policies led by Mads Palsvig who forced their hand in a number of important decisions. It would be interesting to see you interviewing him to hear another side of the story.
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StandAloneState
StandAloneState
3 days ago
Denmark… please openly advocate for other countries to drop their mandates. We desperately need more support
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Edward McLaughlin
Edward McLaughlin
3 days ago
Flatten the curve my fuckin arse.
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wetchickenproduction
2 days ago
That’s what good leadership looks like!
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Lynda Gordon
3 days ago
Excellent news for Dr James and all health care workers. NZ

Guyzer
1 day ago
Detached from political modelling committee…..amazing, mathematical modelling!!

David Ligon
1 day ago
Thank you. Another excellent interview.

wonderland78
2 days ago
Will this affect the vaccine makers’ profits?
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Ralph Reilly
2 days ago
Lol. There was no curve to flatten.
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Candice
3 days ago
Denmark and Mexico: two countries with common sense.

shantibel
3 days ago
Thanks for this marvelous news. Great interview.

Cristiano Holtz
2 hours ago
Great ! Hopefully other European countries will follow ! Our bodies belong to us, it’s no government property ! We decide what to take …or not…

Andrea Lindsay
2 days ago
Time for good common sense. People don’t need mandates, they have a God given rights.

Kika Nika
2 days ago
Dear people, what can I do and how to stop this horror. My 11-year-old daughter wants to get vaccinated, her father persuades her, society forces her, and she almost died of anaphylactic shock because she is allergic to some medications. What a world this is! I no longer see the meaning of life.

Harriet brown
3 days ago
thank you, beautiful people of good will, for this massage
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Martin Clausen
3 days ago
The kind words are appreciated, and while we are happy to flood the Premier League with Danish players, Mrs. Holten-Møller is not for sale.

Gill Gimberg
3 days ago
Ah Freddie that made me laugh. Old Fergie is bonkers, I reckon. And being South African, I have a lot of experience with those who are bonkers.
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Iain Benson
2 days ago
Australia needs to wake up! Western. Australia needs Commonwealth laws to override its Premier’s power grabs…

Thomas Schinkel
3 days ago
Freddie, you’re the best,
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Dragon’s Red
3 days ago
Still late. None of this should have taken place after the first 2 months in 2020. We knew it was low risk for the majority by then.
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Cosas de Tesla
3 days ago
Best news ever
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Killian potworoska
Killian potworoska
2 days ago
Top interview Freddie that’s journalism!

David Rogers
2 days ago (edited)
Since she keeps pushing the nonsense that the injections are safe and effective she obviously hasn’t got around yet to modelling the damage caused already by the injections.
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Martin Stewart
Martin Stewart
2 days ago
Great sensible move by Danés, great to be liberated

DJ NV
3 days ago
Sad that in the US the modelers are so influenced by political pressure. They wouldn’t even be selected or heard by the CDC or current administration if they shared data antithetical to their political ideologies.
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Nina L
2 days ago (edited)
This Danish woman still think that the result of not hospitalization is because of the vaccine, not because of the nature evolution of the virus, then how do you explain the situation in South Africa. during the Delta wave, there were a lot of hospitalization, but during the Omicron wave, not many hospitalization any more, and they have very low vaccination rate in South Africa.
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Lydia Malinovic
2 days ago
it would be interesting to investigate freedom convoy in Canada and USA

OneLine
2 days ago (edited)
Give her the upstanding Unherd medal.

J G
3 days ago
THE SACRIFICE OF GOD: There is only one God, God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. One God, three parts. Humans have a soul, spirit and body. One person, three parts.
The Bible says that we are all sinners.
As it is written: There is none righteous no not one. Romans 3:10
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
But we are all as an unclean thing and all our righteousness are as filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23(the word “death” in this verse means eternal separation, from God in hell).
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.Isaiah 1:18
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures and that He was buried and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures.1CORINTHIANS 15:3-8
In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:14
For by grace ye are saved, through faith; and not of yourselves
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vein. Galatians 2:21
If you would like to receive Jesus as your Savior. Realize that you are a hopeless sinner and trust in Jesus and only Jesus to save you.
You can say a prayer expression your gratitude, sorrow for sins etc. but remember your prayer doesn’t save you.
Your trust in Jesus and what He did for you on the cross, is what saves you.
The moment you trust in Jesus and only Jesus, you are saved.
After people get saved they get baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
It is for believers only and has nothing to do with your salvation.
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Martin Lund
3 days ago
US/UK Modeler produces a result. Politician demands that it be changed/altered to fit his/her narrative. There is the variable that went wrong.

Rita Antonio
3 days ago
perhaps Geert Von Bossche was right and that’s why ended up with delta. modellers throughout the pandemic have been off by several orders of magnitude on more than one occasion proving that more data doesn’t mean better decisions.

Paul Badics
3 days ago
Also in canada unlike Uk & denmark & others that just ended most or all restrictions when they do decide to loosen restrictions they spread it out over 2 months “abundance of caution”

Silvia Spampinato
2 days ago (edited)
I envy the people of Denmark. Having a government and scientists that can be trusted must be beautiful. In Italy, thank to our government, scientists and especially Media, it’s complete hysteria.

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Melusine
Melusine
3 days ago
Hmmm. So letting it rip in Australia is causing massive pressure on our health system, they’ve had to stop most elective surgery …

Marielle Ladt
2 days ago
Why did we start using models to organize the regulations about Covid. ? When that modelling started. ?
So if I understand correctly the covid crisis has been dictated with those models? This is frightening when we see the disastrous
results around the world. This information is essential to understand what happen. Besides the conflict of interest and the
political connection with labs etc we can add the influence of the mathematical model. This is fascinating to observe the
functioning of our political, + lobbying+ those models in question.
Thank you for helping us to understand.
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John James
2 days ago
Thank God for Sanity and true Science. God bless UK, Denmark , Japan and South Africa.

Careful Consumer
1 day ago
I hope the host has Dr Moller on again in 1-2 months for more follow up. Thanks.
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Hameerudin Zawawi
2 days ago
This video made me subscribe. Thank you Unherd and Dr Camilla!
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Paulina Pi
2 days ago (edited)
Models need to be detailed to age and risk groups, vaccinated and unvaccinated vs (the tight not broad) age groups. Denmark has system info on who how many for example have diabetes or prediabetes, other conditions etc. . UK seems not to follow or provide the numbers correctly. Or even collect the health data. For example most UK people with clear pre-diabetes I’ve met had no clue they had insulin resistance.
If a country has the entire healthcare in a social system (private and public) it’s easier for the gov to access the correct statistics/data.
Without correct and critically narrowed down data even the most perfect model won’t work.
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Artkido Lee
2 days ago
She’s firm n collected, won’t let anyone put words in her mouth

Haridas991
3 days ago
Well done Denmark. May God protect the Danish people for their guts to stand up to the virus. May the rest of the world follow suit. Amen

Mark McLetchie
1 day ago
The difference is that Denmark used the data of South African scientists. UK thought they knew better than “the colonies”.

Alida van Eeden
18 hours ago
Well done hope SouthAfrica will follow soon watching from SouthAfrica
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Leonard Checchio
3 days ago
Wonderful news Bravo Denmark putting freedom and reason ahead of fear.

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Bitcoin FightClub
Bitcoin FightClub
1 day ago
All of these worldwide Call kyle experts need to apologize for getting it wrong

Erast Van Doren
2 days ago
So, in summary: they got hospitalization right despite the facts that the uncertainties are at least 5 times larger, and the fact that they used omicron severity 5 times the real value. So in fact, they just got lucky. And this should be a good modelling?

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Gulnar Kulybekova
3 days ago
What I hear here that modeling group were focused only and exclusively on vaccines.
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Fai BigHeart
2 days ago
Well, I am not an scientist but I like a way they think heading, that makes them special from us non scientist. For this lady, she is In a group of realistic scientist not influenced by politics, funder and definitely they aren’t a vaccine salesman

eslinc
2 hours ago
Greetings, Mr Sayers. I subscribed to your channel after watching this episode.

praisebewibble
2 days ago
About time, now the rest of the sane world should follow.
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Darwin Maisner
3 days ago
It’s a bit silly to compare the two countries. You can predict what’s going to happen in Denmark because it’s predictable. The UK isn’t. Our mathematicians forgot to take into account that a million twats would be marching in the middle of a pandemic over racist cheese on toast regulations.

Not So Obscure
1 day ago
This makes no sense! Isn’t asymptomatic people still able to expose another person these people take away all confidence in their reasoning

Ami Kailua
2 days ago
Take a bow Denmark … you deserve kudos!

Tyra Masters-Heinrichs
2 days ago
Thank you, excellent interview. Take care from Manitoba, Canada

joop trumesant
3 days ago (edited)
Can this Chief Modelling please be lent to the Netherlands, they have a bunch of clowns called RIVM who just can’t count and the lockdown won’t stop, help!

笔名
2 days ago
If your govt values and champions transparency and avoid politicizing “science”, then your administrators will not consider the extra work of having to present with a negative bias. Fix your govt before your think of getting better modellers. If the top is crooked, the bottom will be slanted.

iMay
1 day ago
No to covid vaccine mandate
So help us God
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benjamin franzuela
1 day ago
Great interview. Well discussed. Thank you from the Philippines.

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SUBSTEREO
3 days ago
This is absolutely wonderful. So peoud to be Danish. Feeling very red and white right now

Rui Martins
2 days ago
The New Zealand government needs to watch this video!

Paul Veðrafjǫrðr
2 days ago
Impressive woman with a good head on her shoulders Love you Denmark!

james lynch
2 days ago
THANK YOU , AT LAST SOME ONE WITH COMMON SENSE.

Inana
3 days ago
Great work, Freddie
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Celestial Teapot
3 days ago
The words “liberated” and “panicked” are ideologically loaded in this context.

Nic Andela
2 days ago
I think you need to look for NEW modellers in the UK, how long are you going to rely on the same faulty department, it’s been dismal.
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Carol Leota
3 days ago
WELL DONE. WOW. HERE IN NZ adern JUST GIVE THE WHOLE COUTRY A RED LIGHT. ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM. DENMARK YOU SHOULD HAVE A MEMORIAL DAY FOR THIS. I’M HAPPY FOR U.LOVE U ALL.
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raspberry treacle
3 days ago
Their institutions seem to be politically neutral how refreshing.

mtebor
2 days ago
And in the USA some states still have mask mandates and vax mandates if you want to work. Some entertainment venues and bars require to show your papers.

Diana Paloma
20 hours ago
Great interview. Thank you.

Scott Silburn
6 hours ago
WELL DONE DENMARK!!!
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Flight Simulator Lessons
1 day ago
Hoping the New Zealand government can come to its senses and follow Denmark’s example as we are still living under such restrictive mandates, masks, vaccination passes!

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Hani Serhan
2 days ago
I suggest you bring on someone who’s extremely pro mandates and challenge their opinions and views
. They are after all opinions and not facts.

Lovely Linda
2 days ago
Thanks god for country’s like these leading the way!!!! Here in America we aren’t going to be so lucky with good old BRANDON at the controls!!!
Good for you!!!!

Gabriele Gaven
2 days ago
Common Sense prevails! also Democracy is there and also Honesty and more….meaning Respect etc.

Fuhgeddaboudit
2 days ago
Anyone that miss useless COVID mandates is welcome to swap places with me and exist in Australia while I live i Denmark!

Kathy Connolly
1 day ago
Wonderful. She is fully transparent.

Karina Bloom
4 hours ago
We need to keep the politics out if the science in every country

Luh Ariyadi Wangga Seruni
3 days ago
I’m whitnessing danish’s common sense, nice and deligent people.

DayDreamer
2 days ago
I’m overwhelmed by logic & common sense. Lol.. feels like magic

funkdoubt1
1 day ago
Denmark is not part of the International community in the way that the UK, is. Its geographic location, population control, Role in Finance, stock markets placement, historical racial make up and or role in empire. The uK and US have used this Covid opportunity and period surely, to secure new terms for mass migration and labor conditions for both industry and on a societal level. The African continent has designed plans for its own trade deals and partnerships, at the same time as NAFtA and T TIP.
This is the reason for the focus on ‘ multi culturalism ‘, the legal ability to mobilise large scale economic migration (an already fading but once popular sociological-media term)
and the way in which it is and has been handled, at gov level.
Im second gen foreigner in London and can plainly see that intention and implementation. The gay rights and LgBtQ communities have been given upward thrust in their plight at the same time as the rest of the facade. Creating yet more feigned corporate empathy, gov level intervention and legal will thrown in its direction. yet another division and crack in society whilst manoeuvring everyone closer to the noose and money making guillotine.
The little guy, girl or other identifier stand little to no chance. This Johnson govt have stuck to ideas of punishing us in the uk. Opted to hit us over talking to us. Shun us and remove our anity, literally in law, to make us , their enemy. Then encouraged and torched our chances of coming together, using the division to climb down further in to the cracks.
Never ever forget what side the politicians took when your basic human rights were up for sake and grabs. What they sold and took uo against you, the electorate. And held on to until the bitter end because your health and freedoms were merely chips, negotiated at the casinos of their choice.
Had new light not forced its way in, these guys were voting against your freedoms being upheld
Never, ever trust governmemt.
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Freedom Always
3 days ago
WAY TO GO DENMARK
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H H
3 days ago
I’m moving. I can’t handle the tyranny in my country, it’s unfortunate
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tropolite
tropolite
2 days ago (edited)
Because we know Ferguson has historically been x10 fold on ALL his modelling. His models are really off big time.
Look at ALL of the previous models he’s constructed. A total loss. Bad, and total pessimistic view. Models must also reflect real world information. Omicron in Denmark is regarded totally different to that which Ferguson shunned as far less threatening but just infectious.
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Jack steiner
2 days ago
Perhaps, you should ask her whether the Gates Foundation paid for her statistical modelling, as they paid for the English ones…

Old Seer
3 days ago
It could be—could be, that Denmark has no tyrants.

Emily Williams
2 days ago
Perhaps the PR system helps create less of an attacking type of politics without so much tribalism instead looking at the data?

Jimothy Araian
3 days ago
Here in NZ it will be illegal for me to continue working in 2 weeks without a booster despite my last shot only 4 months ago
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Stephen Morrell
2 days ago
It’s not a matter of modeller training. It’s more a matter of Anglo-academic public health ‘culture’: a long ‘tradition’ of elevating uncertainties around RCTs and Cochrane meta-analytic ‘evidence’, etc, to the extent of erecting elaborate arguments and scenarios, without any evidence in themselves, to negate actual evidence that’s not absolutely ‘perfect’. This has neutered the most ‘learned’ public health academics’ ability to see the forest for the trees, all the more so as they seek to earn academic kudos for perceiving or inventing new plausibly ‘fatal’ flaws and biases in studies they review. Very rarely to these ‘glass-half-empty’ purists attempt to quantify the biases and flaws they have supposedly detected.
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gerafina li
1 day ago
Maybe we should look into the relationship between governments and pharmaceutical companies to be able to predict accurately which country will have panicked based models and drastic measures, and which ones won’t.

Guy Pierce
3 days ago
They were never “laws” but none the less great news.

Hilltron eye
3 days ago
Greetings from Poland! To everyone, but special greetings for Canada. Get your freedom get your life in your hands!!!! Greetings and God bless all

J C
2 days ago
what about the changes happening for human rights? will they drop that? and drop all restrictions brought in for the common cold? Also NHSx…. what is that about, not health
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Brad Stokes
3 days ago
Hope BC in Canada makes this move soon as well

First name Last name
3 days ago
Immunity is all that’s here as now
Thanks for this

How the world works
3 days ago
Just admit that you don’t know everything and you can be wrong about plenty of things. This is what ALL scientists should do and stop forcing people to do something detrimental to them on the long run based on your obsession with thinking that you are right all the time or at least most of the time. That is simply not true. No one is right all the time so stop acting like it.
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Tracey Google Serviced
3 days ago
Brilliant News! Brilliant work Freddie!

Richard K
39 minutes ago
Are the people supposed to be thankful for getting their freedoms back? They should never have taken them away in the first instance. A lot of people are coming out trying to cover their asses but we remember what you did.

G Hersh
2 days ago
Love this video. Excellent information. Love from USA.

Nic Andela
2 days ago
love it, normality, could not have come fast enough

quantumac
45 minutes ago
Justin Trudeau would do himself a favor if he paid attention to this. Instead, I expect he will double-down on his country’s mandates, but I would like to be wrong.

Lola Saint
3 days ago
Logical reporting, thank you !1

Jack steiner
2 days ago
Countries spent hundreds of billions of dollars on this pandemic. Can we trace and independently account for these funds? Is it possible, that among other things, this pandemic was used to funnel money to a WEF or UN account?

Mac Franks
2 days ago
When people quit getting boosters, if that happens, there may be another wave of infection with Omicron.

Rick Knight
3 days ago
Well done Freddie

All Seeing Eye
1 day ago
And to think here in the UK they have the temerity to bang on about our need to ‘listen to the experts’. By the look of it, our ‘experts’ are not very expert……

northrockboy
3 days ago
what happened to all the pandemic preparation manuals developed over many years to deal with future pandemics ?

Garry Holmes
3 days ago
Don’t just think THEIR plan has gone away. Keep your head on a swivel & stay awake.
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anne marie
2 days ago
EXCELLENT !!!! LOVE YOUR SHOW

Selina F
2 days ago
Great conversation, thank you

Thu Vu
3 days ago
We’ve been suffered for 2 years enough is enough
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Chris T
2 days ago
As always…. GO FREDDY!

Orgone Warrior
3 days ago
look at the reuters statistics, denmark has 112 percent vaccinated, sweden only has 93 percent, estimated +10 percent in 33 days…
they want everyone modified
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Carlito Molina
2 days ago
Praise the Lord…
Denmark is waking up from reality…

sukhmanicambridge
3 days ago (edited)
love this dr UPDATING THE MODELS seems also to have been something UK missed out on, feedback loop from REAL WORLD local data.

MsChitterchat
1 day ago
While this is good news, I still don’t like the level of control these people have.

Becky Winchester
2 days ago
Way ta go you guys !love from Canada

Harry Delmar
3 days ago
Denmark flattened fuckall! The “pandemic” went away because it has now for the first time in 2 years the old normal/sanity has been allowed to resume.
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Aunty Linda
2 days ago
It’s about time! Omicron and its descendants are not as serious as Delta. It’s only common sense to now protect the most vulnerable.

Åke Johansson
3 days ago
Love you guys of Demark keep fighting folks

Datahound
2 days ago (edited)
Praying it’s just not a interim decision on the way to another new normal .

Emma Batan
2 days ago
Excellent video!!!! Thanks so much ! CONTINUE!!!!
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jack dempsey
3 days ago
Goddamn right they did make the right call.
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Stephen A
3 days ago
DW just said all this is misinformation!! Love it!!!

M Harper
3 days ago
Excellent questions! No kidding we all want to fire our modellers!

Tricia Jones
2 days ago
He said people actually have common sense without a law lol.
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金志誠
1 day ago
Let’s wait and see how Denmark’s plan works in two months.

Matthew Mentz
2 days ago
It seems to me you never never address vaccine injury with any of your interviews, do you think this is something irrelevant?
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Tristan Solero
3 days ago
Tyllykke Camilla. Thank you Danes. Great interview Freddie. Well done

Paola Amato Sabatelli
2 days ago
This is a true democracy!! Denmark

Blittle Ing
3 days ago
Fantastic interview!
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Elfreda Wright
3 days ago
Well done, Denmark!

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Dutch Frisian mud digger.
Dutch Frisian mud digger.
2 days ago
Still a litle lockdown and 3G in the Netherlands…….. there are new rules to come
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Black Knight
3 days ago (edited)
As Australia call for 3rd and 4th boosters!
Worlds gone mad
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Marleen Codougan
3 days ago
Soon the World will regain normalcy again. I hope that America will follow these very smart Countries.
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dinola 326
dinola 326
1 day ago
Denmark: Freedom day. Germany: All in prison!

Rhodian Deetlefs
2 days ago
Great interview!

colly beans
1 day ago
Ended all Covid laws? Then why are Denmark still going ahead with the Vaccine Passports??

Tikhon Osipov
3 days ago
Thank you for this one!

Peteyz Zed
3 days ago (edited)
Domino effect will happen and other countries will follow. Thanks for whoever released it
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Leunis van de Wege
3 days ago
The more dramatic the model, the more important the virologist. That’s the weak spot of modelling.
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Juby To
Juby To
2 days ago
Brilliant work!

Eemes1000
2 days ago
Nothing is rotten in the state of Denmark!

Paul Verheyden
1 day ago
for the same projection at 18:35 we in the netherlands were in lockdown from just before kristmas

Andrea Re
3 days ago (edited)
Freddie, where do you see in the UK the government saying one thing and the opposition another. They talk in unison here (unless you talk about the REAL opposition, which is the Tory party itself).
12:48
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F S
2 days ago
great interview, cheers!
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Alison Borchers
3 days ago
They’re all just caving to unrelenting pressure from business – greedily desperate to try to crank up their economies. I hope the people see through it and look after themselves. The thing with covid is that, though it might be mild for most people, it might kill you… Good luck Danes!
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Carmen Ionescu
2 days ago (edited)
Are you complaining in UK? Look what happens in France
Thank you UnHerd , excellent.
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Murilo Borges
19 hours ago
Just missed she talk a little more about natural imunity…i know Denamrk is a highly vaccinated country, but we are seeing that with omicron they do not protect that much…She always keeps praising vaccines, but we should praise the natural imunity that this variant, wich is milder than others,is bringing to people.
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andreacostanza
andreacostanza
1 day ago
Great Freddie, thankYou!!

Susan Creed
3 days ago
How can anyone say “flatten the curve” with a straight face?
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four tails
3 days ago
Common sense prevails in Denmark ..let’s hope more countries will follow suite

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Vilma Cordero
1 day ago
Silly question if it is a good time to get exposed. She is saying people are now expected to act responsibly to protect themselves.
People die everyday. It is a part if life.

r ar
3 days ago (edited)
Re exponential growth — this is only a reasonable approximation for the early phases of growth when the environment is open & unrestrained. After some time there is environmental response & push-back, or the growth fuel diminishes.
(E.g. an exponential growth of locusts leads to environmental push-back in the form of predators responding to the increased food supply and reducing the locusts; or in an explosion the early exponential expansion ends when the explosive fuel runs out or gets blown away.)
For a more realistic model of growth start with the
“Logistic_function” on Wikipedia (can’t post link)
— can’t expect policy-makers or ideological narratives to understand mathematics, but they could be better informed and then maybe “Follow the Science”.
Be careful who you trust!
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d8ta scientist
2 days ago
Excellent questions!

Environmental Coffeehouse
2 days ago
Interview Vincent Racaniello- Virologist in NYC. He can definitely fill you in on the virus, vaccines & mitigation. Microbe TV

La Fleur Productions
2 days ago
So tactful all round!

Y K
3 days ago
Is it open for both vaccinated and unvaccinated?
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Nelly Delcheva
3 days ago
Freddie is the best
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Emma Batan
2 days ago
Excellent video!!!! Thanks so much ! CONTINUE!!!!

Joe Bueno
1 day ago
That is what you can call a smart government

ab bbb
3 days ago
It all goes down to probability: the less CoViD regulation and restriction, the more the probability of contamination, the more contaminated individual the higher the risk of mutation and the higher the risk of mutation, the higher the probabilty of a highly infectious fatal mutation killing most of the population. But this is maybe the underlying plan the lesser the population, the lesser the number of contact, and therefore the virus will naturally die lacking hosts.
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Iain Benson
2 days ago
SAGE needs to be shelved. It has demonstrated incompetence…..

Jip Meijer
2 days ago
Finally a real scientist! Where are the other ones?

Kaze Jah
3 days ago
What an intelligent, pleasant woman!!!

Idea Window
2 days ago
The map is not the terrain, models are not reality and data is not truth.
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Bushveld Kid
2 days ago
Fantastic to hear!

N Bach
1 day ago
Did everyone read “The real Anthony Fauci ” by Robert F. Kennedy Jr?
Must read
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Spencer Brown
1 day ago
Fricken LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Creanga
1 day ago
Denmark be blessed!

venividi credi
2 days ago (edited)
How much compensation did they give that poor footballer whose career they nearly destroyed with their nonsense.. and how much is being proposed for us lesser types in a not dissimilar boat

Ward Bray
1 day ago
An impressive person.

Teri Nunes
2 days ago
Denmark the only country that will be keeping the same government

Pat Hacker
2 days ago
Ferguson is still given credence? He is always far off the mark.

Mare S
3 days ago
Truth prevails!

Ged of Gont
3 days ago
It wasn’t the entire world that went mad then.
I bet Prof Ferguson has a wax figurine of this lady – and a very large supply of needles.
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codica666
2 days ago
There’s one word missing in this discussion: luck. Models are called models because they are not reality. Denmark is only ahead of the curve until their model screws up. Then the whole discussion starts over: how could this happen? Whoever expects there to be the one “correct model” or “the right policies” just ignores the nature of reality.
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ThomasSherrod
3 days ago
Discrepancies in the numbers…? How can this be?!
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Jessica
3 days ago
Brilliant work

TS L
3 days ago
Why is it Florida has stayed open the whole time? Or stayed open for a longer time?

Jenaya_Laila
2 days ago
She is completely misinformed regarding natural immunity and unvaxxed people!

First name Last name
3 days ago
It’s a new day for the whole

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Dirtpatcheaven
3 days ago
WOW!!!

Lil Crafty Nook
3 days ago
Germ vs terrain. If you aren’t healthy you tend to catch everything.

D K
3 days ago
British modellers are too academic. University staff are experts but not experts in how the world really works.
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Trevelina Delmar
Trevelina Delmar
13 hours ago
So can we travel there without having to show “the Great Reset”/aka VAx Pass?

stepmback
3 days ago
One critical thing. 80% of the Denmark population is fully vaccinated. If 80% of US was fully vaccinated it would be a miracle…. instead we are 40%. So when someone gets sick in Denmark they are more than likely vaccinated and are much less likely to go to hospital. Not the case in the US.
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The Artificial Society
The Artificial Society
2 days ago
Flattening the curve, what BS. None of the half baked measures they did accomplished anything.

Angeline Briscoe-Sperling
1 day ago
Ireland is free and has been for weeks.

Nick Ush
3 days ago
Beautiful mind, beautiful responses …… beautiful eyes….

Miss Cameroon
1 day ago
Bravo Denmark!

Jarmila Xymena Gorna
2 days ago
Thank you Freddie and Kamila

Slavica X
2 days ago
Have you seen the truck and car convoys in Canada..Australia and many more countries. It’s huge!

Daniel Shaw
3 days ago
Why don’t you get John Campbell on? The two of you could take down the whole house of cards. Cheers from the Colonies.

Gitte Bruun
3 days ago
Very good Work Finally

David Flusin
2 days ago
How many times does Pr. Fergusson need to be dramatically wrong before he becomes irrelevant?

aztlanplay
3 days ago
What a rational reasonable society.

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Thien
Thien
3 days ago (edited)
Why isn’t Denmark following the science (gasp)? How dare they!

JonJonBoi
2 days ago
Its not just Denmark that is the only country that got rid of all covid laws or most covid laws. Most countries around the world are honestly mostly back to normal. Countries like Poland, Sweden, Russia, Hungary, Turkey, Czech Republic and Greece for example mostly got rid of their covid laws including mask mandates and have no vaccine mandates as well. Its mostly America and some countries especially in the Anglosphere and the Philippines that have extreme covid laws
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Wayne Bateman
1 day ago
Only isolate if you have symptoms like you should do with the flu, but of course you should be vaccinated against both.

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mark hughes
16 hours ago (edited)
5:28
‘This pandemic’? Do not published state statistics for Britain say that over the last two years general mortality has decreased by 0.2%? A bit difficult to stuff a ‘pandemic’ in there? ‘World modelling’ – aye there’s the rub! Check out Russell Brand ‘Here we go again’ – a telling story of high finance!
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iozsa tabita
3 days ago
AMAZING!

Mr. Mcgoo
2 days ago (edited)
Sane thinking in what is becoming an insane world. Surprised Bernie doesn’t come around
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Jennifer Neumann
3 days ago
God Bless Denmark. Stay free.

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Ruzhyn, Ukraine: in the middle of nowhere
Ruzhyn, Ukraine: in the middle of nowhere
2 days ago
Why don’t they start hunting ghosts or flattening shadows?

GC
2 days ago (edited)
If we end up with a One World Government ….. can we have the Danes in charge of health…Brits run the footie ?

italo Souza
3 days ago
Excelente

Beatrice Lutchmiah
2 days ago
Denmark us doing what’s right

Happy
3 days ago
Brilliant

Daniel James
3 days ago
You’re a beautiful man Freddie

Vestland
2 days ago
I live in a city in Norway. I never ever wear a mask. I never got any of the wax. Yet I never got Covid! Care to explain?

Rise of the Infinite
1 day ago

Npc I’m knot
7 hours ago
denmark.. please please shame canada and america and australia.. it’s time to end this..
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ClassifiE.D.
3 days ago
Yesss beautiful

Misti Colon
2 days ago
Premature action. New variants which could be more severe may come and people will not want to go from freedoms to restrictions again. We all hope Omicron antibodies in the majority of the population can help with herd immunity. Still too soon.

David De Ridder
3 days ago
True scientist, if you ask me!
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Chris Knight
22 hours ago (edited)
Weird. Danish death rate the same as the peak of their first wave and rising, their infection rate not yet definitely peaked. Midwinter. I hope they know what they are doing! Population size is not everything, population density and localized population densities in conurbations makes huge differences in rates of infection of communicable diseases.
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mark hughes
16 hours ago
10:30
Well meaning but a technocrat? – what exactly is the balance between those who – in any particular State – have died of the virus (as opposed to those with the virus) – and those who have died shortly after vaccination?

NileQueen
3 days ago
I would LOVE to have an Unherd bumper sticker. How can I get one? Thanks, Joanne

vaccinefraud
1 day ago
We don’t need anyone to ‘explain’ any of this, let alone with Math.
The true FACT CHECKERS exposed ALL of the lies so there is no ability for them to hide behind their lies and the lawsuits to follow. Will all of the mink get a letter of apology? Oh, wait… they’re all ded.

unclejake154
3 days ago
Tak Danemark! Well done!

Betsy Ulbrich
2 days ago
Variants, variants, variants….no test exists for these variants….did any of them ever exist?

raspel1960
23 hours ago
the very truth is that every free will human being
has to defend and clear the own territory …
free of foreign intruders, overcomers, mandatorists,
set zero’ers, robbers, inflaters, rapers, blackmailers,
kings of the road, squatters.
Do organize that free’s to help and support each other
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Benjamin de Leeuw
1 day ago
So this is what an honest expert sounds like. Guess she didn’t get the memo from Klaus Schwab. Must have landed in the Spam folder. Doh!

happy joyjoy
3 days ago
the wheels are falling off the scandemic quicker than the titan sinking.
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vehbi emre kesim
3 days ago (edited)
Congratulations Denmark. we are still living with fascism in Germany.
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Karl D. Marx
2 days ago
Freddie … Don’t be a selfish bastard … This lady should go to Germany … No that I expect Karl Lauterbach to really understand what Camilla Holten-Møller is saying … but we should give it a shot.
Thanks for another great interview!!!

Robert Hart
3 days ago
Now it’s time to bring mandate tyrants to task
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Monti Tate
2 days ago
A good interview, and we’ll done.

hoonosewut4
3 days ago
A country with people in charge who have COMMON SENSE??????????Please come and run Canada!!
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Christi P
Christi P
2 days ago
So they’re NOT offering ANY TREATMENT of ANY KIND……THATS WHY!

will liam
2 days ago
Natural immunity still shunned by authorities
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soredem
2 days ago
There’s always the push for vaccines

Sue Williams
19 hours ago
What does Denmark think of the PM here in the UK ?

w ss
2 days ago
Actually the Swedes were first to freedom through science and logic.

soredem
3 days ago
I wish that was the case in California, they have a new variant ….

Don Tonno Con Fagioli
2 days ago
Even her ‘reasonable’ comments are still all bollocks.
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K L
6 hours ago
What about Mandatory Vaccinations? Please let us know what the Vaccination and passport issue is like. From Canada where we are fighting for FREEDOM.
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sorsocksfake
sorsocksfake
2 days ago
Basing your plans on facts and math? Strange concept. Everyone (at least in politics) knows you have to do it the other way around.
Clearly more evidence that Denmark is not a real country

jir1969
3 days ago
Professor Neil Ferguson and SAGE should take note.
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dablackangel
3 days ago
I guess I’m going to Denmark then

DDUS4
2 days ago
BA2 is growing fast in the UK too.

Ubiquitary
3 days ago
Does she deserve credit because she came to her senses twenty months after us non-experts? Sorry, she was clearly part of the authoritarian gang for too long.
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Mari A
Mari A
1 day ago
I’m off to Denmark!

Ivan Baric
3 days ago
HOW REFRESHING . I AM NOT ALONE . GROWN UP AT WORK , back in the cupboard
with the snowflakes . Respect …. Sydney AUST.

Anita Berendsen
2 days ago
It’s not ended.
You still can’t go there without a damnd useless test!!!!
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Peteyz Zed
3 days ago
I wish I could be a UK modeller, be crap and keep getting paid

Paul Badics
3 days ago
I canada they have said have to follow “worst cass models”
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Trish Abbott
3 days ago
Love to Denmark.

Fish Mud
3 days ago
Love this channel but the amount of ads drive me crazy! Especially when I’m cooking

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Stephen A
3 days ago
Monoclonal vaccines are to blame of the failure of the vaccines. Polyclonal natural immunity or that from sinovac is better at protecting from more variants. Will it for all future one? UNKNOWN

Karen Young
2 days ago
An actual expert. Not Sage. How refreshing.

tule fogger
1 day ago
excellent interview

Sergi Yavorski
2 days ago
We need Camilla to replace Fauci here in the US

Patrick Bateman
3 days ago
Please come to Australia. Our modelers are broken…

Dysjoint
2 days ago
Send her and her team to New Zealand please!

marco polo
2 days ago
Go Denmark !!! We love u!
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Yin Yang
2 days ago
amazing….at last some common sense!!
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Antonio Da Rosa Martínez
1 day ago
Esta señora dice que los ciudadanos daneses tienen toda la confianza en sus políticos y autoridades sanitarias y todos los partidos han apoyado al gobierno. : . Nosotros también.

cchione
3 days ago
What is going on with the US??? Cases, not mild? Deaths

Arnold Attard
1 day ago
SPEAKS BETTER ENGLISH THAN MANY NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS.

Booniedog Chamorru
3 days ago (edited)
This is how to conduct
interview.
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Suzanne Harry
2 days ago
yes good, But they are enforcing the Digital ID hard for total control.

Dan AWC
2 days ago
No questions about ivermectin?
What would happen if the higher susceptible people in the population would taken ivermectin daily?
Mmmm I wonder. Japanese dr’s started prescribing April 15, 12 days later cases were so so low and they still are very low.
Mmmmm???
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james duncan
2 days ago
Came to there senses at last
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Neil Fitzsimmons
3 days ago
Funny how you don’t hear about this on msm.
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Nadia Darwish
3 days ago
I admire this channel

K H
3 days ago
FFS just give sick people the cheap therapeutic drugs that work.
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keto3883
2 days ago (edited)
2mio cases a day in a 56mio country. how the fuck would that even possible ? there would be some insane interactions needed to make that realistic. looks like math theory vs real world case. ignore people interact in circles and just make it random etc. just guessing but thats a frequent problem.

in
3 days ago
Data beyond opinons doesn’t that get politics out of the way, but can data be corrupted, overall am trusting 1st commandment.
Thank you

Backspin66
2 days ago
That’s my type of woman. Congrats Denmark.

tonyjajou
2 days ago
I agree with you I hope she can come to NewZealand

Vilma Cordero
1 day ago
No longer living in fear..
Congratulations

michael bradley
2 days ago
Why is he asking medical questions from a modeller?
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James Coffey
3 days ago
Denmark didn’t make a model, they just looked at South Africa, model don’t work for complex systems, observation does
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Olga Curita
Olga Curita
3 days ago
Finally they see the truth

Eddy mmm
2 days ago
Models weren’t just wrong, they were horrible
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Dawn Webb
15 hours ago
I’m going to Denmark!
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chris tophe
3 days ago
She should come here to France… help !

Kimberley down under
3 days ago
Dam I want to move to Denmark
Except I can’t , I’m under strict draconian rules from the muppets in charge .

Wirmish
3 days ago
What was the “curve” for the 0 to 65 years old ?

Algorithm, Inc.
1 day ago (edited)
Great stuff … wonderful lady …

Lo-boy69
1 day ago
Its going to get much worse, this is just the first phase. Wake up…

TheGudsdotter
2 days ago
Good work Denmark

WIT NESS PRO T E C T I O N
2 days ago
how do you claim these reports as fact and believe you based on what exactly? Clearly pushed from a standpoint view
for accomplishing … ??? Part of the script..imo

Richard Mulligan
3 days ago
Please can you get your Prime Minister to talk some sense into her good friend Jacinda Ardern!! She’s lost the plot!
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RobertSmith0008
3 days ago
can you please make an interview with Geert Vanden Bossche?

ScooterNoMore
3 days ago
Love her, Love the Danes!

Koyaan Isqatsi
3 days ago
Painful… modelling is not an exact science… there is your answer. It is just a guess (best, professional but still guessing).
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fly 202
fly 202
3 days ago
I guess they figured tourist season is coming up.

Tony Rule
2 days ago
Meanwhile, in NZ… Jabcinda is doubling down.
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oneski io
3 days ago
Imagine climate change modelling!!!

cutpricetech
1 day ago
THANK THE LORD FOR THOSE STABLE DANISH GOV ‘CRITICAL THINKERS’; COME ON REST OF THE WORLD GOVS; WAKEY, WAKEY

Suzanne Lee
1 day ago
Excellent!!!

audience2
22 hours ago
Great questions
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Adventures in Health and Wellbeing
3 days ago
Can someone please send this information to the Prime Minster of Canada… are lives are being dictated by last year’s information.
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George Mavrides
George Mavrides
2 days ago
Apha, Beta…Delta, Omicron…blah blah blah. Was telling friends last year that they will come up with variants till the greek alphabet letters run out. Nothing beats natural, real immunity in healthy individuals.

Khurram Malik
3 days ago
In the end rationalist end up swallowing their owl tail.
My be Ouroboros was a bored ,mostly irrelevant “modeler” of the day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

jg5555
2 days ago
I want to go to there.

The Dialogue
3 days ago
Wow honest government. Now that’s strange.

Les Nash
3 days ago
How do you say PANDEMIC without laughing?
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NanoRussian Bot
NanoRussian Bot
2 days ago
Less corruption in Denmark then perhaps?
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A free man
3 days ago
Smart woman, I would love her hand in marriage.

Npc I’m knot
7 hours ago
agreee but not the stuff she talked about vaccines.

Denver Hornsby Jr.
2 days ago
Smart Denmark!!

Austin Jdn
2 days ago
Good on Denmark, but this lady is extremely difficult to get a straight answer out of. Always trying to be diplomatic rather than just stating a firm opinion.
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mickeyh1961
10 hours ago
Oops sounds like Denmark is going to have a Regime change if this continues

Laura Kyplain
2 days ago
Omercon replaced Delta, we love Denmark!

ᛞᚫᚾᛖᚱ
2 days ago
Next topic. The world leaders (the elite) “Russia attacking Europa!” Run for the hills

Shazia Asif
2 days ago
Let’s go to Denmark to breathe freely…
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Browneyez
1 day ago
Excellent! Let go and let God.

Peppy The Miniature Schnauzer
1 day ago
Their hospitals probably still function ok

Holly Kostera
3 days ago
Beware. This may not be what it seems.

effigy
12 hours ago
Nothing to do with the submission to the International Criminal Court

Dean Vorbach
23 hours ago
Hey Brett Bed wetter Sutton give this Lady a call, she seems to have some common sense.

raspel1960
1 day ago (edited)
good and only acceptable serious decision

mommyromey
3 days ago
Kudos!!!!!!

halfgroverathome
15 hours ago (edited)
High trust because of low corruption
SAGE = bought?
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Kyle
2 days ago
Common sense has arrived just in time.

Dizon Lacia
1 day ago
Please Pres. Duterte! Tanggalin mo na ang vaccine mandate! It’s very discriminating, unscientific, unlawful and unconstitutional!!!!!

Xav911
1 day ago
that they don’t received the memo in many other european countries.

Revolution Underground
3 days ago
IT’S ABOUT TIME!

Harry R Soul
3 days ago
We had no opposition too anything in the uk. More of the same.

Wunderin Wynd Feather aka Skjeren
1 day ago
Great News!

Saed Uluso
3 days ago
Countries learning from Sweden after 3 years

Beth Mark
3 days ago
Maybe Israel will follow. That’s where I’m from.
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Leon Mailfert
2 days ago
It’s Denmark taking refugees from Australia?
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ladi jada
3 days ago
Why is anyone still listening to Neil Ferguson, given his inaccurate modelling?

Douglas McIntyre
3 days ago
Brilliant.

Talking Furkids
2 days ago
Sharing this got my shadow banned on facebook
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Jay Watt
3 days ago
Flatten the curve, Now your Seaing Level, also the earth is a Flat Elevated In Areas Plane We Live, GoOD On Denmark !!!

Ali59
2 days ago
Too bad Canada doesn’t have any qualified experts…..

sacred
3 days ago
Great!
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Martin Kopera
2 days ago
How come nobody talks about Sweden?
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ahmed dakkak
3 days ago
Common Sense Prevails.

lord skidmarks
3 days ago
societal break down when the living dead find out their the living dead

Pips Osborn
2 days ago
South Africa drops isolation as well from Feb 1 2o22

D S
3 days ago
Let’s all visit Denmark!!!!!
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C Jackson
C Jackson
2 days ago
At last the Penny has dropped

David Crawford
3 days ago
Good for you Camilla

Inconsolable
3 days ago
A state modeller who looks like a model!

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shutteredimage1
shutteredimage1
2 days ago
Jab goal was reached , haven’t heard end of passport I bet.

jelly lizar
2 days ago
The model is misleading. Cause more harm than benefit

alan bell
3 days ago
too many modelers become muddelers.
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Patrick Stewart
2 days ago
“This is the way.”

Manuela Stangier
2 days ago
Great!!!

Mimimac
1 day ago
Moving to Denmark anyone in nz or Australia?

Naiane
1 day ago
I’m soo happy!!!

Dee Jay Hand job Charnel House Crew
3 days ago
Great News.

rOsE TrEvInO
5 hours ago

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CARPO719
3 days ago
At least some nations are coming out of their cocoon
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Jennifer Owen
Jennifer Owen
1 day ago
Love Unherd!

Linda Zerr
3 days ago
What vaccines are being used in Denmark?
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DO NOT BUG ME.
DO NOT BUG ME.
2 days ago
Because they want to be re elected!

Mister Camworks
2 days ago (edited)
please come and work in holland……they cant put a model together here,to safe ther life !! Two years of wrong scarry models !!! monkys throwing darts !!

Baby Yoda
2 days ago
Artist on spotify tries to cancel both denmark and spain!!

UpTheSaints 2021
2 days ago
I had no idea England is a country

forcedair 92gt
3 days ago
Is Denmark taking new citizens? haha

Catarina SM
3 days ago

Andi P.
3 days ago

seeking the truth
3 days ago
Time to move to Denmark

Peter Vogwill
1 day ago
Once WARFARE FUNDED BIO LABS ARE CONSIDERED IN THIS CONTINUUM… ACTS OF DESIRED GAIN OF FUNCTION OFFER GOAL POSTS FOR BETTING POOLS

MAMIE
2 days ago
Science not politics!

Jacob Rolfe
3 days ago
might have to learn Danish

Lena yeret
2 days ago
Bravo

Grooverman
3 days ago
Why would anyone be listening to modeling forecast by Neil Ferguson at this point?

Dan Buckley
3 days ago
Awesome
Go truckers !!
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scher more
3 days ago
Listen up Canada!

Paul Worthington
2 days ago
I wish the interviewer would not do that stupid flapping around of his hands with fingers sticking out like twigs on a dead branch thing ( the “Look at me, I’m using body language”) that has become an institutional embarassment. It is nerdy. A total turnoff. That David Cameron numpty was addicted to it.

hugh helmrich
3 days ago
Bullshit from start to finish. A better title would be. Denmark’s state modeller: Please don’t throw me on the bonfire.

Breath of Home
3 days ago
Still won’t admit natural immunity is best.

Bulasha
1 day ago
Omicron boosted our immuniy.

Purple Soul
3 days ago
Hope Freedom in Italy now … No more pass
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CJA Mwankana
2 days ago

Jason Holmes
18 hours ago
Freddie’s got a crush on Camilla.

TortoiseJohnny
2 days ago
Unheard is the perfect name

Enigma
3 days ago
Can I move to Denmark?
1

DMV Thrifty Nurse SDI
2 days ago
…and then you have the U.S.
1

Paul Hancock
5 hours ago
Is the bonkers Spanish government watching?

Graham Stevens
3 days ago
Thank you

Mantra Life Products LLC
3 days ago
Natural immunity

denise odaniels
7 hours ago
smart. john hopkins hospital did some research. they said the isolation was basically for nothing. doesnt make that much of a matter .
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carebear09 White
carebear09 White
3 days ago
Please bring that common sense to USA

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LadyWatchingBird
2 days ago
Gooooo Denmaaaaaark!!!

Coool_Breeze_
3 days ago
My birthday is 1st Feb. Thanks Denmark.

MidwestRibeye
3 days ago
Al go rithm

Harold Roberts
2 days ago
Just say no!
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Opa Perner
2 days ago
Do you allow Ivemectin treatment

Damian Walsh
3 days ago
like they can distinguish Omicron from Delta……..

Guyzer
1 day ago
Doomsayers….on their faces!

Max preA
2 days ago
YES!
1

Pablo Limo
7 minutes ago
That a dr or a politician?

Plint Dillion
3 days ago
People please, open up!

Paul Verheyden
2 days ago
why is anybody listening to neil ferguson after al of his mistakes

Lauretta Scalzo
3 days ago
Great.

Dr Scott
2 days ago

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MRJTUK
3 days ago
Soooooooo, can I get in without being injected?
1

Npc I’m knot
7 hours ago
well she is still not thinking of natural immunity
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John Michael
John Michael
3 days ago
You pronounce all of your O’s like OY’s, and that’s not proper English.

Noumenon4Idolatry
3 days ago
Subscribed

Richard Lamer
3 days ago
Canada, PAY ATTENTION.
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swites
swites
2 days ago
As for the models… garbage in, garbage out.

Shokugeki chef
3 days ago
When neocov arrives, burials return

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Lucie Dagesse
Lucie Dagesse
3 days ago
I you do not have symptoms then why take a test?
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No I’m Spartacus
No I’m Spartacus
3 days ago
I’m moving to Denmark

724tito83
2 days ago

aleks 430
8 hours ago
Freddies vaccinated:(

Son Quatsch
3 days ago
Germany does not want to see this video.
1

A Bee
1 day ago
Truth from Ottawa

sam sam
2 days ago
I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Vicchi Oleski | embodied spirit work
3 days ago
smart Governing
1

Richard Smith
2 days ago
Can we swap her for Ferguson?

grizzuh
3 days ago
Stop the Madness!

Let’s Go Brandon
1 day ago
You need to get new dogs for your ‘new cheap tricks’…we are not dogs we know all your tricks!!!!!

Nebojsa Jurik
3 days ago
it’s not over until Bill says it’s over

Gregory Cickavage
3 days ago
Why so many different models?

Colin Riordan
2 days ago
something smells wonderful in denmark.
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Natural-HI
3 days ago

Philip Steeves
3 days ago
Thanks for sanity,

Michael Bo Hansen
2 days ago
OMG!! Cancel Denmark .. yesterday!

JetSurfing Nation jet boards & efoils
3 days ago
Finally
1

Alfie
3 days ago
Two years too late
1

klaaibaby
3 days ago
Seriously need to move
1

Katarzyna Olczyk
2 days ago
hi there, did any other country followed suit as denmark?

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PAUL FRANKLIN
PAUL FRANKLIN
3 days ago
Sense at last …
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Nareshkumar Patel
Nareshkumar Patel
11 hours ago
Money is root of all evil. Follow the money trail and you will find reason why UK modellers got it wrong .I wonder how much donation uk universities involved got from external sources. It will be interesting.

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Peter Vogwill
1 day ago
Fear not..the FLOOD THE ZONE CHOIR IS GOING AWAY…? Naaaah next Salvo will flip the relaxed on their heads…hmmmm

Fred Schwentafsky
2 days ago
Mexico did it long ago….wakey wakey.

Amanda Thurston
2 days ago
What about the mink?
1

Russ Monte
3 days ago
True vikings
1

Josh Kidd
3 days ago
Meanwhile in Australia..

Vinni Jones
3 days ago

FuskerFisker
3 days ago
okay let’s try it out again …is it the word ‘propaganda’ which youtube don’t like ??? since i got deleted my posts 3 times

Lori Ann
3 days ago

Pumpkin Lashes
3 days ago
Tanzania led the way

Elisabetta Bronzi
1 day ago
help us in Italy
1

Kimberly Sanchez
2 days ago
#FREEDOM

L D
3 days ago
Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior.

Gospel Bearer
3 days ago
In Silico has entered the chat

apan gurra
3 days ago

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Adam Page
3 days ago
open discussion thats illegal
1

Richard de la Sota
3 days ago
Why is anyone still listening to Neil Ferguson?
1

diane doody
1 day ago
Sense…

Matthew Edward Snyder
3 days ago

1

michael jensen
3 days ago
I HATE this STUPID Telephone Change what i write all the time with danish words AI, Elon Musk, Robots is a sick plan The Youth you destroy with stupid toy machines

Dizon Lacia
1 day ago
Sana all!

Maria Garcia
2 days ago
Still promoting vetsin

woolengrappler
3 days ago
Please get on Rumble

J is the new Q
1 day ago
Old people with 4 plus underlying conditions .

Jürg Schüpbach
2 days ago
Belarus is still alive…….
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lawrence Hoffman
lawrence Hoffman
3 days ago
Garage in Garage out XD

Alex Fong
2 days ago
Yay!!!!

Tulips ontheorgan
1 day ago
“Baaa baaaa baaaa”

3Kiwiana
7 hours ago
Funny that she doesn’t admit natural immunity is better than vaxed
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Censored by Google
Censored by Google
2 days ago
21:47

David S. Tavadian
3 days ago
Probably, maybe, hope, not too confident, think….. it’s useless to listen to this woman…

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Paul Aoki
Paul Aoki
2 days ago
Flatten what?

Jeff F
3 days ago
cdc that’s a joke
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yeo
3 days ago
Cuz they smart?

Gino
1 day ago
Dr Camilla Holten-Møller very attractive girl

lolizorz
2 days ago
Ugh

Lana
2 days ago
B.s

Gordon Smith
2 days ago
Fauci!!’nnnn

 

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See Also

 

 

J-IDEA – Professor Neil Ferguson on the current 2019-nCoV coronavirus outbreak – Feb 6, 2020 — Transcript

UnHerd – Malcolm Turnbull – Don’t Count Trump Out – Jun 12, 2020 — Transcript

UnHerd – Why Lockdowns are the Wrong Policy – Swedish Expert Prof Johan Giesecke – Apr 17, 2020 — Transcript

UnHerd – Scott Atlas – I’m Disgusted and Dismayed – Oct 20, 2020 — Transcript

Ivor Cummins – Amazing Debate on Lockdown Ideology Versus Scientific Approach – Unmissable! – Oct 23, 2020 — Transcript

UnHerd – Prof Tim Spector – Hopes of a Vaccine Will Lead to More Lockdowns – Nov 11, 2020 — Transcript

 

 

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Click here for the audio:

Andrew Hictchcock with Ole Dammegard on False Flag Attacks

 

Click here for: Andrew Carrington Hitchcock webpage for this interview