Keith Woods: All right, hello everyone. Welcome to the hashtag Ban the ADL space. We are banning the ADL [Anti-Defamation League]. Tweet out hashtag Ban the ADL. We got to get this going again. Obviously, this is against the backdrop of we had two days in a row where this was the number one trend across the world. People were sending me screenshots. Number one trend in Australia and the US and Canada.

 

We got an acknowledgment from Elon Musk. We got to over 130,000 tweets last time I saw. And this campaign, this movement has taken off. We’ve got Matt Walsh. We’ve got Charlie Kirk. We’ve really got all of the big conservative influencers.

 

A couple of exceptions, but really the whole of conservatism, the whole of the Right has come together around this issue that we all recognise that whatever differences we may have, and not even just people on the Right, but anyone that believes in a free speech internet recognises that the ADL is the biggest threat to this.

 

And not only that, but I mean, they are engaged, as I said, in essentially financial terrorism against Twitter. And let’s think about the backdrop of this. Elon Musk’s take over was what, last October? November? It was a very interesting time because obviously all the censorship has gone one direction for years now.

 

And I think people often forget how much this has altered in just the space of a few years. They do this incrementally and people start to take some of this stuff for granted.

 

But it’s not that long ago where it was still a huge deal if someone was banned off Twitter or off one of these mainstream platforms. I remember Milo Yiannopoulos was one of the first after this big controversy about troll storms and all this kind of thing. But it was very rare case where someone just got banned for their political opinions.

 

Now, as you all know, this has just become normalised to the extent, if you have what’s considered sort of dissident opinions, you are kind of just expecting to be banned off these platforms now, not for any speech violation, but just for holding those views.

 

But when Musk took over, it was really this interesting turning point where he made it clear that he believed in free speech, that he was taken over this platform with the intent of restoring what was the norm on the internet just a few years prior.

 

And a lot of people asked the question, what are we going to witness here? Are we going to find out who’s really in charge? Like, if a billionaire comes in and just outright buys one of these platforms, something no one would have ever really expected, can he actually enact his will? Can he be the sovereign? Can he decide on his platform to restore free speech?

 

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And we saw what happens in a scenario like that. It was very revealing because immediately the ADL and a bunch of these civil society NGOs came together and immediately began to organise advertiser boycots, they began to target Musk, target Twitter financially.

 

And as I showed in the original tweet that I posted, I think it was August 3, Twitter’s advertising revenue fell by billions almost instantly.

 

And so we began to get a clearer picture of how this functions.

 

And you look at the history of the ADL, you look at some of the other financial boycotts. Facebook is held up as the worst platform for censorship. One of the worst. There’s that saying about getting “Zucked”! You get Zucked off a platform, like Mark Zuckerberg is synonymous with censorship.

 

But Zuckerberg in principle, like, he actually defended that he would allow things like holocaust deniers on his platform. He did seem to like he signaled certainly that he wanted to maintain some kind of non biased political speech on his platform. What actually happened in 2020 is a very similar thing, is Donald Trump made comments about the protests that were ongoing at the time. If the looting starts, the shooting starts, that kind of thing.

 

And again, the ADL and these groups of civil society organisations, but it was led by the ADL, organised this advertiser boycott that cost Facebook billions in revenue and led to the ADL having to sit down with the heads of Facebook where they ordered them:

 

“You will ban holocaust denial! You will change your algorithm! You will ban hate groups as they define them and ideologies like White nationalism!”

 

And so on.

 

So what’s essentially happening is this group is holding these platforms through ransom. And we realised that actually, if we want free speech, it’s really not just enough to signal against the Left or to complain about government policies. Really, the problem is this organisation, and this affects everyone. They lobbied to have a nationalist organisation in Poland, Konfederacja [Confederation of Independent Poland], which is one of the most popular political parties in Poland. They [ADL] lobbied to have them banned off Facebook.

 

There was recently another wave of bans of nationalist activists in Europe that was lobbied for by the ADL. This is an organisation, it’s interfering in the democratic process in countries across the West. And this reign of terror is a totally unaccountable organisation.

 

Like I’ve said, Greenblatt was never elected. No one ever decided that the ADL was just going to come in and start altering the Google algorithm and deciding what people can see in their suggestions and deciding who’s allowed a voice.

 

And so I think it was about time everyone just stood up and said:

 

“We’ve had enough!”

 

There has to be a line in the sand.

 

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And I think it’s important because these groups operate in the shadows. They operate with secrecy. That’s how the ADL, the SPLC [Southern Poverty Law Center], these kinds of organisations like it. And this is maybe an issue with Greenblatt is he’s so keen to kind of brag about the achievements of the ADL. It kind of makes them look terrible.

 

You get all these kind of clippable moments of banning, about getting people cancelled.

 

But traditionally, you know, under the previous leadership, they were much more coy about it. They were much more keen to seem like a nonpartisan organisation, but all the while, they’re in the background, constantly moving this in a certain direction.

 

And I think this trend is important for a number of reasons. Obviously, it’s woken up a lot of people to what’s going on a lot of people are aware of the ADL now that wouldn’t have known about them otherwise.

 

But it’s also important, I think, to draw a line in the sand and if nothing else, to give people a target, because this is how organisations like the ADL function, right? They target individuals, “hateful” groups, and they started out with the ones everyone would agree were hateful and get White nationalist organisations banned and so on.

 

But by 2020, 2021, they’d gone from that to forcing boycotts of Tucker Carlson, the most popular talk show host in the US, to outright pressure in every social media company to ban the sitting president of the US off all of their platforms.

 

And so it’s just been this very rapid process of acceleration by these organisations.

 

And so there needs to be a focal point where the whole Right, instead of saying:

 

“Well, we’re against censorship, we’re for free speech.”

 

And all the while, everything just moves further and further Left. There’s more ban waves, there’s more changes to these Terms of Service. At a certain point, there has to be a target where Right-wingers say:

 

“You know what? No! You’re not going to ban us. We’re going to ban you! We are taking back these platforms!”

 

The majority of these people on these platforms want free speech. The majority of people do not agree with the extreme anti-White, anti-free speech policies of the ADL. The majority of people don’t think that a sitting president of the US should be completely banned off the internet.

 

And we’re forcing the question, why does Jonathan Greenblatt get to decide who’s allowed on the Internet? Why does Jonathan Greenblatt get to decide which political parties in Poland are allowed to spread their message on the internet? This is totally insane!

 

And of course, it was great to get the acknowledgment from Elon.

 

I guess a little background on how it started.

 

I made a tweet in early August, August 3, making the argument that the ADL should be banned just for the simple financial reason that, again, they’re using this platform, Twitter is paying for their hosting, and they’re gathering an audience here, and they’ve used that audience to coordinate financial boycotts that were aimed at putting X, putting Twitter, out of business! This is totally insane!

 

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I mean, it’s not even a free speech argument. Why would a platform facilitate a conspiracy to destroy the platform? Especially now that it’s totally private. It’s a one man show. It’s one guy that owns this platform. Why would he allow an organisation to commit financial terrorism and hold him to ransom on here?

 

But I made that in August. I thought about trying to get the trend going back then, but, you know, maybe a little try hard, like just off my own tweet.

 

But then, of course, Elon, which was significant, kind of came out against the ADL. First it was his story that the heads of the ADL had met with X and were going to be collaborating with them on moderation policies. And then Elon responded to this account, I think it’s the Red Headed Libertarian, where she highlighted that the ADL actually denies White genocide in South Africa. And it actually makes apologetics for the Kill the Boer song. Says it’s just a revolutionary anthem singing about killing White people is fine. And Elon replied, and that’s when I thought, this is the chance to really get some pushback here.

 

So it was that tweet where I replied, I linked the earlier tweet about the case for banning them, started the hashtag. And then I won’t take credit for it fully because, I mean, these guys, like Lucas Gage, Jake Shields, these guys have been really impressive. Like Jake Shields immediately, pretty much immediately after said to his followers:

 

“Let’s get this going!”

 

It got like five, 6000 likes. Some of these guys, Sam Parker is here as well, Lucas Gage, they’re all over this. We got a lot of followers to get engaged.

 

And I guess the only thing that surprised me is how much this reached across the Right. I thought this would be maybe a kind of isolated thing, maybe it would last for a couple of hours.

 

But no! We find for good reason that everyone that believes in free speech is sick and tired of this organisation! They’re sick and tired of being held to ransom by these small lobby groups that represent a tiny minority interest.

 

And at last we have a rallying point to really push back against the whole censorship agenda.

 

So it’s been good. I’m optimistic. It would be a very positive thing if this just became an accepted talking point in Right-wing circles. The more mainstream Right. You have the head of TPUSA [Turning Point USA] and you have all these mainstream Conservatives like Dinesh D’Souza, they’re just pro-outright banning the ADL. I think that’s a terrific sort of dialectical development! And who knows where it will go next?

 

We’re also getting to spread a lot of information about the true nature of ADL. I’ve been putting out a lot over the last few days. Adam Green, who’s here has been putting out a lot. Everyone has been sort of digging up the true story of the ADL, this group that was founded to protect a rapist and a paedophile. The fact that they interfere in other countries’ election processes. The fact that they are setting curriculums in schools where they encourage LGBT education and tell teachers not to gender kids. All this extremely radical stuff!

 

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The fact that they train FBI agents, the fact that they pad crime statistics to make it seem like there’s a massive problem with White supremacy. And they don’t even count crimes by non-Whites. All of these things are being highlighted.

 

The fact that this goes up to the legal level where the ADL has been years, waging a campaign to try and destroy Section 230 and just totally destroy free speech on the Internet.

 

And like I said, they’re out in the shadows. The next time they come out and do a hit piece on someone, the next time they try and worm their way closer into controlling Twitter policies, the whole Right-wing is going to be there to push back against this and to expose these people.

 

And what they hate most is just being shown to the public like that for exactly what their agenda is.

 

But I’ve ranted long enough. I’m going to let Lucas speak. Lucas, I think all you have to do is unmute yourself because I made you co-host.

 

Lucas Gage: That’s a great opening, Keith. I appreciate that. Well put information and very eloquently spoken.

 

So I’m going to dumb it down because I’m low IQ. No, I’m just kidding! [chuckling] So, no, we did a great job, folks! Everyone in here, I think everyone participated in this. And this, to me is a white pill because it shows that we, the people, still have that pull, so much so that even the Grifting Con Inc has to jump on board because we’re pushing the Overton Window so far that it’s basically going to shatter if they don’t jump on board with us. So of course the Kirks [TPUSA] and all these people had to jump on board.

 

I mean, they’re even doing Nick Fuentes talking points from three years ago. They’re throwing out statistics and stuff. So things are shifting in our favour, and it’s because we keep pushing and pushing and pushing, even though it seems like it’s against all odds. And in a way it is, but it’s really not because the people at the top, their power is illusory. It’s based on our complacency in a way, and nobody wants to hear that. But if we keep pushing and pushing like we are, then, yeah, it’s the Internet.

 

But even though the Internet’s not truly real life, if it wasn’t important, they wouldn’t spend billions of dollars to censor people and knock people out. And what Ye did, putting his life on the line, essentially to spread the message out there was crucial. That made a really big shift in the narrative, and we got to keep pushing for that.

 

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So I’m very happy everyone got involved in the way they could. All of us have different pull and different followings and stuff. Some of us are anonymous, some of us are not, and everyone’s important. Every single, I don’t care if you have five followers, every single person is important. And I’m glad everyone jumped on board to do this. You know, the thing is, now the ADL responded. And what did they do? Oh, they called everyone “White supremacists”!

 

Now, it’s funny because I did a Space yesterday. It was like 9 hours long. It was my first Space. I co-hosted. You know, there are a few jewish people came in like, yeah, I agree with, you know, even Laura Loomer came in and whatever you think of her, yeah, she’s a Zionist, but she’s for free speech, truly.

 

So she was like:

 

“They’ve attacked me.”

 

And then she started posting it as well. So we want to encourage everyone from every background to attack the ADL. We have a common enemy. Put aside your differences of religion and race and just focus on this enemy that is against all free speech for everyone!

 

I mean, they’re attacking White people right now, but eventually they’ll go after other groups. So we got to show everyone this is a common enemy, a common foe that we have to focus on and keep pushing them until they snap. And like Keith said, the problem with Jonathan Greenblack, … Greenblatt. He’s arrogant! He’s like:

 

“Oh, yeah, I just had a call with Elon and it was frank, and it’s going to be good. And we’ll tell him he’s doing good or bad.”

 

I mean, this guy’s a moron to show his power like this. I mean, it’s ridiculous! So we got to use these clips because, … I’ve seen Adam clipping, how he [Greenblatt] said:

 

“We got to get Kanye before he gets the truth out there!”

 

It’s like, really? You just admit that? Everyone’s posting clips about him. Keith’s doing the Dark History. I’m posting things I didn’t even know know about the ADL is not just the Unites States. Most of you may not know this. I posted a document that the ADL sent to Iceland, a foreign nation who wanted to ban circumcision. And they’re like:

 

“You know what? You shouldn’t ban it for these medical reasons. It’s good for people, and it’d be a shame if you did because we know your economy is based on tourism, and God forbid your nation was associated with anti-semitism! And even if it wasn’t true, that may affect your economy!”

 

The ADL is a Mafia! They talk like that. Imagine a guy:

 

“Jimmy, you know, if you don’t do this favour for me, it’d be a shame if your mother was driving down the road and her brakes went out! God forbid!”

 

It’s a threat like that. That’s how the ADL talks.

 

I also posted a video of Abe Foxman going to the Ukrainians, saying:

 

“Welcome to democracy and all that, but you got to be careful! Make sure you don’t compare our ‘Holocaust’ with yours [Holodomor], okay?”

 

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Like, that’s how they talk. This is a Mafia! And we got to keep hammering people with that talking point that they are literally a Mafia. And to throw on top of that, that hurts jewish people. That they are the number one creators of anti-semitism.

 

And people say:

 

“Lucas, why do you keep pointing that out? Why do you keep offering an olive branch?”

 

Because you got to! Whether these people take it or not, it’s not our business. But you have to always appeal to decent human beings and not fall into that anti-semitic nonsense. You just say:

 

“Look, it’s hurting everyone, including jewish people.”

 

And many jews will say:

 

“Hey, you know what? He’s right!”

 

And they have said it.

 

Now, the thing is you have to understand is if you notice, even in their response, they said:

 

“We will continue to protect people of jewish descent and marginal communities.”

 

They said nothing about White people, nothing about Christians. So they left them out because they don’t care. So if these people strategy is to take all the other gentiles and all the people of colour and everyone else and turn them against us, including our own people, why would it not make sense to turn their people against them and everyone else against them?

 

So that’s my way of looking at it. It doesn’t cost you anything to say:

 

“Hey, it hurts these people as well.”

 

And just put the truth out there because it is true.

 

Laura Loomer, for example, AIPAC [American Israel Public Affairs Committee] didn’t [word unclear] her, nothing. She was attacked. She wasn’t Zionist enough, put it that way. And I don’t even know her that well. I’m just pointing it out. You guys can say it’s cringe. I don’t. My approach has been very effective this way.

 

We cannot give these people any ammo at you all! I’ve criticised other people and their approaches that are too extreme. Can’t have that. We got to be like Keith. Keith is very intellectual, very eloquent. He’s not saying retarded stuff on the Internet. And look, Elon responded to him. If he was some sperg, Elon would never respond to Keith. And because he did, look how much more interactions he got.

 

So Elon knows maybe what’s going on. And there’s a whole thing, is he with us? Is he against us? Who knows? Who knows what’s going on? Guys, we don’t know anything behind the scenes, but we got to still do our part. No matter what!

 

No one’s going to save us guys! Forget about Trump and all these people, whatever. We have to save ourselves and that’s going to take work! I want everyone to understand that, right?

 

The whole day of some saviour coming, forget all that. We have to do it. And we still have a voice. And that’s what this campaign that started a day or two ago and it succeeded to get the message out. And people are writing about it, not just the ADL. I saw another Internet magazine write about it. I forgot what it was called, but they said something about it.

 

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So it’s going to get going. If we keep pushing this, Elon’s going to have to make his own public statement. He did say they’ve been trying to strangle us out, and that’s good. So people saw that, and they’re blaming Elon for even jumping on board:

 

“Elon Musk jumps on anti-semitic, …”

 

People have to realise the word “anti-semite” and all these other things are meaningless as “racist”.

 

And so we got to keep pushing, folks! And I appreciate every single one of you here, regardless of your political beliefs or whatever else, for joining, and I hope you guys keep pushing, because that’s all we got to do. It doesn’t cost anything to use your fingers and type on a freaking screen. It’s all you got to do and just keep doing it. Keep digging dirt on the ADL!

 

I learnt things about they spied on Americans in 1993. Some Arab-Americans who are pro-Palestinian, I bought that up. They infiltrated the Birch Society, John Birch Society, the most anti-communist organisation in America, 100,000 strong. They infiltrated that and destroyed it!

 

So you see that they’re not just sitting here about hate speech. They’re literally sending spies and infiltrating organisations and destroying them from within.

 

So the ADL is much more than an “Anti-Defamation League”. They literally run around defaming every single person. Even if you’re jewish, you’re a self-hating jew, you’re an anti-semite! And we got to show the American people and everyone who’s free speech that this is a threat to Twitter. And someone argued to me:

 

“Well, if you want to ban them, aren’t you being hypocritical?”

 

No! Because the ADL and we are not on the same playing field. If the ADL was really about their own people’s community safety, they would come out with a report every month:

 

“Hey, guys, here’s a few accounts we suggest you block.”

 

Or maybe even create an App:

 

“Hey, take the ADL App. You could block these people automatically, and you won’t have to see these neo-Nazi Whites!”

 

That would be fine.

 

Instead, they want everyone to not see any of these people and control the narrative. That’s not free speech. You know, some people have tried to argue that I said, it’s not even close. It’s not even fair whatsoever. So these people don’t belong on X. And all we got to do is keep telling Elon:

 

“Hey, man, you’re going to lose money because of these people. They’re going to destroy your vision!”

 

And just keep hammering these points that it hurts every American who believes in free speech.

 

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And I think we will succeed in making some change on some level. I think Elon may have to make a deal, in a sense. And we had Andrew Torba come on the Space yesterday, and it’s not going to be easy if Elon tries to pull away. He’d have to build his own servers. He’d have to do a lot of stuff.

 

And Torba went through the whole process of five, seven years against ADL, building everything, infrastructure, all these things I don’t even know because I’m not a tech guy. And it’s not going to be easy for Elon with a company that big with that many users, right? Gab is smaller.

 

So it’s not going to be easy, folks! We can’t just say, “ban the ADL” for two days and give up. We got to keep this going, as Keith said, making a talking point so everyone agrees. Even the Con Incs and all the other people out there.

 

I mean, imagine if Donald Trump Jr posted it. Imagine if Trump did it! I mean, Trump should do it. The ADL was attacking him to get him off the damn platform. And they succeeded! We got to push everyone, guys. Shame them! I shamed everyone who’s bigger than me. It’s a shame on all of you! And then Clayton Morris retweeted it.

 

Now, Clayton Morris does redacted. I don’t know if you guys seen that. I was on his show a while back. He retweeted it.

 

So perhaps people saw that I was shaming big accounts and maybe some big accounts. I can’t take credit for it, but maybe they saw that because they follow him. He’s got 2 million subscribers on YouTube. So you never know who’s watching, who’s looking. Doesn’t matter how big your account is. Just do what’s right, and it will go into the ether, if you will, into the Twitter or X space, and people will catch it and retweet it. You’d be surprised.

 

I mean, look, Keith has interacted with Elon twice now. I mean, look at the odds of that. Elon gets hundreds of thousands of tags every day and responses, and there’s Keith twice. That’s great!

 

So I appreciate Keith for doing that. And he did it because he wasn’t a sperg, and that’s why it worked. And I suggest everyone else tweak your strategy a bit, right? Let the sperging go away a little bit. You could troll a little bit, but when you’re talking to serious people with an image to maintain, you got to be careful how you do it.

 

And that’s my rant as well. So there you go.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah. Well, you know, we don’t know kind of what side Elon is on or what he really believes.

 

I mean, the thing is, regardless of what he actually believes, the pressure is only coming from one side, right? The pressure is he replies to me, and within a couple of hours, there’s ten mainstream media articles from Friends of the ADL that are just hit pieces on him basically.

 

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All of these civil society organisations use the boycotts. He makes even a statement in the direction of free speech, and he has this army of financial institutions, lobby groups, mainstream media coming down on him. And it’s like, there has to be something pushing in the other direction. You can have all of these people on the Right or even a majority of Twitter users that are for free speech, but it’s not translating into anything institutionally. It’s not translating into anything that is really affecting change.

 

And that’s why, like I said, it’s important to give people a target. It’s important to give people something real. This organisation exists. This is the source of much of this. We want to ban them! We want an end to this, and we will support Elon in pushing back against these people.

 

It has to be somewhat of a help to him that, hey, he’s got these people pressuring him for months. They’re presenting him as some kind of extremist because he wants to bring back free speech. Well, hey, look at that. There’s an organic trend on Twitter. That’s the number one trend world-wide that is saying:

 

“Fuck these people! Ban them! We want free speech. We’re sick of this. We’re sick of these people! You don’t have to listen to them!”

 

And yeah, he replied to the tweet. He pointed out that he has been under a stranglehold from these people. And clearly he appreciates that this is being acknowledged. I’m sure he’s disappointed himself. I think he did believe in the promises he made, pretty grand promises that he originally made about any legal speech being allowed on the platform.

 

But obviously it was a very different reality when he took over. And he probably underestimated the extent to which these small lobby groups have that kind of power.

 

And some people, the usual kind of suspects that black pill on everything will say:

 

“Well, it’s just a hashtag. What does that really translate into? The ADL isn’t going to go away as an organisation.”

 

But it’s important for a lot of reasons. Like you said, their smear tactics are really falling on deaf ears. They’re saying that this was all White supremacist, anti-semitic trolls. It’s like Dinesh D’Souza has tweeted this stuff out. Matt Walsh has tweeted this stuff out, Charlie Kirk.

 

So it’s like at that point, they’re just going to have to say that the entire Right-wing, everyone from TPUSA to these old Reaganite Conservatives, they’re all anti-semitic Nazis, and it’s just meaningless. And at that know, the ADL is just purely this fringe organisation preaching to other hysterical Leftists. So it’s pushing in that direction. That’s the point of it.

 

It’s also important I think, you know, you’re saying there like:

 

“Everyone should get involved, all the accounts matter!”

 

Absolutely!

 

And I think that’s something important that’s happened even the last few years, and maybe censorship played a role in it. I’d never be one of these people that would kind of cope and say:

 

“Oh, we benefited from censorship.”

 

You always saw this. People would get banned off YouTube and they’d be like:

 

“Well, I’ll be bigger on BitChute in a year’s time!”

 

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And it’s like, no you won’t. No one will be watching you.

 

But one thing that happened is it did make the kind of dissident Right, whatever you want to call that, more anti-fragile in terms of getting around censorship, coming back in small accounts, building up a following, getting trends going, pressuring bigger influencers. And the reason it taught people that is there wasn’t a choice. That’s what you had to do to survive in that environment. That’s what you had to do to have a voice.

 

And the thing about politics, and this is something I’ve been stressing the last few months, encouraging people to have a mindset that you’re not a passive consumer. It’s just totally pointless if you have strong beliefs and what that translates into, you watch my YouTube videos and you read Lucas’s tweets and you just consume all this stuff. You’re a hobbyist, you read the books. It has to translate into something.

 

And every bit of activism, right down to tweeting, hashtags counts. And people have to have that attitude. They have to see themselves as part of this organic, grassroots psychological operation against the establishment. Because like you said, if that field of warfare didn’t matter, if it didn’t matter winning the online space, if it didn’t matter getting these dissent and ideas out there, they wouldn’t spend so much money on it. They wouldn’t have so much resources.

 

The White House wouldn’t have Deborah Lipstadt appointed as an Anti-semitism Czar, which is her official title. They wouldn’t have the ADL, like deciding education curriculums to keep out any traces of “bigotry”. They wouldn’t have ADL engineers literally changing the YouTube algorithm in case someone encounters something that’s to the right of Ben Shapiro.

 

So we can really punch above our numbers. That’s the thing, you could look at just raw numbers and you could say:

 

“My God, my politics is fringe. Most people don’t even know what the ADL is, right? Most people are just checked out. They don’t care about issues like censorship.”

 

But the thing is, there’s a flip side to that, that can be a strength in terms of very few people really have any kind of information about politics or any clue about what’s going on. And then even out of that number, very few of them are engaged in terms of trying to make any kind of change, like the things I mentioned, trying to pressure influencers, boosting things they agree with, supporting people that push their talking points. So even within the people that are political, there’s an even smaller minority that are engaged politically.

 

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So you can have a small movement, but if they’re all engaged, if they’re all very active, and if they’re all coordinating, you can do an awful lot with a very small amount in politics. I’m getting retweeted by some of these bigger accounts now that have a couple of million followers. And you realise some of these people, like, on paper, they have huge followings, and they have a big Wikipedia page, and they have big previous appointments of mainstream media jobs, but most of their followers are very casual. They’ll do a tweet, and it’ll get a fraction of the likes that my tweets get. They don’t have an engaged audience.

 

And so it’s very easy, relatively, for a small dissident group where the people are engaged, the people are coordinated. It’s very easy to affect pressure on them. It’s very easy to push them in your direction. All that requires is people having the right mindset. And it’s the same with Hashtag Ban the ADL, right? I shared that around at the start and if those people weren’t so engaged that they were willing to tweet that out every five minutes and try and get things, post the right kind of pictures and videos and put in the right replies where it would get this kind of reality, it wouldn’t have went anywhere.

 

So as much as anything, this will be a positive effect on the Right in terms of we can set the conversation. Something like this is repeatable. We can set the trends that send the Charlie Kirks, that send the Matt Walshes in the direction we want them to go. This is something the Left has and benefits from. Is it’s always led by this radical core. It has this intelligentsia. And even if the average kind of Hillary Clinton fan is not really clued in on anything and just takes their opinions from TV, they’re always directed by this intelligentsia, these activists.

 

The ADL is an example. They always have a direction they’re going, they set out their policies of what they want. They know where they want to get to, they know what the obstacles are to that. And then they set about destroying those obstacles and they direct their followers to that in the simplest way possible, which is call them racist or anti-semitic or something.

 

Now, the Right doesn’t have that. The right has people that largely follow politics in a kind of infotainment style where it’s talk radio hosts or it’s TV shows. Richard [word unclear], who I’m not a fan of, but he did do good research on this where he compared liberals and Conservatives and how they consume media content. And Conservatives are TV watchers, essentially. They follow politics very casually. It’s much more spectator sport, it’s much more about individual personalities. Liberals read a lot more and so they get what the policies are. They’ll read the articles on climate change or whatever, and they have a sense of what direction they’re going.

 

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And like I said, you have that elite that have a coherent ideology. That’s missing on the Right. But that again is a kind of opportunity in that there is a space for radicals that can step in, and I can give a direction to these people that can say:

 

“Hey, you don’t like censorship? Well, here’s the data. We have the coherent worldview, we have the sense of where things need to go. But here we have it boiled down in meme form. We have it boiled down in simple arguments, simple infographics. Here’s the problem you had censorship, the ADL is the problem. Go after the ADL. Hashtag Ban the ADL.”

 

And in that way I think you would be surprised how much a small group can really direct the Right. I think the Right is looking for leadership across the West right now. There’s this sense that the old kind of Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan conservatism that’s dying out. And I’ve posted statistics about this before the boomers are really the only people that are propping up these centre-Right conservative parties in Europe and the US. Especially Europe.

 

And when they die, there’s this space open. What is the Right going to be? It’s not going to be Reaganism. It’s not going to be this conservative fusionism of the 1980s. There’s a space there, and someone is going to fill it. And there are elite groups that are trying to fill it. There’s the whole, like, Peter Thiel type nexus, and then there’s people like us where it’s organic.

 

We don’t have the finances. We don’t have the resources of some of these bigger actors. What we have is the truth. And what we have is the message that resonates.

 

And ideally, what we will have is the most dedicated activists, the people that understand how this stuff works, they understand the Internet. They understand virality. They understand how to pressure people in the right way. They understand how to present their worldview in the right way. And with that, we can enact huge change.

 

But it will be examples like this. It will be cases like Hashtag Ban the ADL that will show people the way. And that will hopefully, moralise people to push for more positive.

 

You know, just personally, like, seeing you guys, seeing you Lucas, seeing Jake Shields, seeing these guys that they could very easily just choose to be conservative influencers. Jake Shields, if he was a TPUSA guy that was speaking out against certain issues that they resonate with, he’s the ex-MMA guy, I’m sure they’d love him. But no, he felt a sense of injustice about the ADL and about some of these issues, and he speaks truth to power, and it resonates with people, and he gets a big following in spite of everything.

 

So on a personal level. Go ahead, …

 

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Lucas Gage: Well, I want to say something too. There’s a few things I want to mention.

 

Okay, so what I think the problem is on the so-called Right is that, first of all, they think that it’s unfair that the Left gets away with all this other shit! Our optics have to be impeccable! I’m not saying lie. And Nick Fuentes, I see him in here, he’s mentioned this many times. It’s not about being deceptive. It’s about looking good, right?

 

Antifa. They all look like subhuman scum. They could burn down buildings. BLM could do the same thing, because they have support of the State. We can’t be doing that. Imagine one Right-wing group burned down a single building. It’d be game over. The military to go in. We need to have impeccable optics. We have the truth on our side, so we don’t have to be deceptive. We have to have intellectuals.

 

But we also have to have passionate people who can emote those who are listening! So we can’t just have know, for example, a Jarard Taylor says:

 

“Hello everyone!”

 

And I’m not making fun of them. We have the intellectuals who train the passionate people to send the message out, whether it be through comedy, whether it be whatever else. Like you see the Nicks and you see the Sneakos and whoever else out there who have this funny approach that works with the Zoomers. Then you got to get my age. I’m 39, so I don’t know the Zoomer language. [chuckling] I try to say some things, I make jokes.

 

But the point is we have to have full spectrum dominance on our end with what we’re limited to, which is we’re not going to be supported by the State. We’re not going to get off. I mean, look what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse. This guy literally defended his life and they tried to destroy him. He did nothing wrong, literally nothing wrong, but, “oh, he’s a Nazi!” Just that.

 

And so we have to have this impeccable optics, right? We can’t be with these spergs who are crazy making, … We can make jokes and it’s funny and that’s fine.

 

But when it’s time to get serious, we have to get serious. We got to feel out our crowd. We all have our parts, right? We all have different approaches, but they all have to have the same common enemy.

 

And also we have to have this ability to not only just move the people, but educate them at the same time with the facts that we have and not be worried about purity spiraling.

 

Now, I was guilty of this years ago. Mr. Purity Spiral was me!:

 

“Oh, this person doesn’t agree with me on this, therefore he’s my enemy!”

 

We have differences, even people among here, religiously, politically, slight differences. We have to put that all aside and focus on the bigger fish to fry, right? That’s what we have to do. Then when they’re out of the way, you could debate and do whatever the hell you want. That’s fine.

 

So my view is going back to my time in Iraq, right? They told us the second tour was:

 

“We have to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.”

 

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So some of the missions were:

 

“Hey, we’re going to rebuild this park that we destroyed, so we’re going to build the slides.”

 

If we were hitting kids with our fucking butt stocks, that wouldn’t be good optics. If we were calling them Hajis and sand n-words, or whatever, that wouldn’t look good.

 

So we had to not only be generous and kind to them and give them food and rebuild the shit we blew up to win their hearts and minds, we had to also be gentle, kind and everything. And you’re coming from a fucking killing machine, it’s kind of hard to do, but we had to do it. We had to put aside our differences, our politics, and win the hearts and minds of the people.

 

Now the Right-wing, as you said, Keith, they’re watching television. They’re more of the rule followers, right?

 

So we have to have the moral high ground. And I know that’s kind of like, that sucks, but that’s just the way these people are programmed. You’re not going to see these Right-wingers storm well, they did storm the Capitol, [chuckling] but I’m saying you’re not going to see these people, like, destroy an entire city because a White guy got shot. They can’t do that. They’re not allowed to do that. They’re never going to have that protection from the State.

 

All there’s Antifa people, they got off, they got arrested, but they got let go. Whatever the case. We don’t have that same privilege and we have to play, … Again we have the truth on our side and that’s why they spend so much money to suppress the truth, to where people are banned!

 

Like Nick, for example, banned without a reason for being banned! Even Ye, he was banned just because he was posting stuff that was silly. And Elon personally banned him, probably to save his arse from getting worse. We don’t have the privilege. So:

 

“It’s not fair man! Rules for Radicals. Oh, I read the book!”

 

We can’t do, Rules for Radicals. Yeah, there’s a 48 Laws of Power. Yeah, we could do sneaky things. You can be Machiavellian.

 

And I have to admit, I’ll admit it publicly, I’ve been doing that myself, playing the game a little bit, making friends with as many people as I can.

 

And I’m not deceiving anyone. But there is a game to play in politics. Just like seducing a woman. This what I mean by optics. You can’t go up to a girl at a bar and go:

 

“Hey, I want to fuck! Get in my car!”

 

It’s never going to happen. Even if she wants to do it, she’s going to be like:

 

“Hell no! This guy’s crazy!”

 

Slap you in the face. Whatever the case, you can’t have that you have to woo her!

 

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And the people are the same way. The masses are emotional! If they were intellectual, we wouldn’t have this conversation. They’re all emotional! The crowd gets that way and you have to seduce the crowd. And we don’t have to do it with deception. That’s the good thing about us. The Left does. They have to make up all the “race doesn’t exist”! Also:

 

“There are no such thing as genders! There’s 1000 genders! White people don’t exist, but they have to pay reparations!”

 

It’s all bullshit, contradictions! We could obliterate their narratives, and we do easily. That’s why they have to ban us. So we can go up and we could woo the public by telling the truth. But we got to do it in a way they understand.

 

So intellectualism is important. The highest IQ guys are incredibly important for us to learn from, but they don’t really translate into moving the people. And that’s the most important thing.

 

So once we have the intellectuals educate those of us who watch their videos and read their books, then we got to translate that into passion! Because, again, people are emotional, just like women. You can’t be like:

 

“Hello, nice to meet you. My name is Frank. I have 100K in the bank.”

 

Boring as fuck!:

 

“What is the weather like today? What’s your name?”

 

They don’t give a shit! You seduce women with comedy and making them feel good, emotional!

 

And that’s what I want people to understand. When you post tweets, you could drive that emotion through people, when you say, like:

 

“Rapist, murderer, paedophile, Leo, Frank!”

 

They’re like:

 

“Oh, my God, that’s terrible!”

 

You know what saying? Like, you use that, and it makes them understand:

 

“This is a very bad dude, and the ADL is defending this dude!”

 

And that’s where the logic kicks in.

 

So you have to have both logic and passion in your messages. That’s why my account has doubled in the last, what, month or two? Two months or now? I don’t know. I’m doing something right, that’s for sure.

 

And I’m not trying to brag or anything. It’s not a big deal.

 

But as I said earlier, this is just one front, is the intellectual front, the Twitter front, and then there are people doing things in real life. Unfortunately, some of them are doing it very bad optics, as I criticised them many times. Others do great optics!

 

So we have to combine our techniques together and support everyone, despite whatever purity spiraling things they might not like at somebody. They might not believe the same religion. They might not, okay, big fucking deal! The bigger fish, the bigger gefilte fish, may I say, [chuckling] is what we need to fry. Because they’re the threat to all of us!

 

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And a lot of times I’ve seen this, and I made a video a few weeks ago saying to everyone:

 

“Look, put aside your differences. Unite and take care of the common enemy, because you might not like this guy. Well, he’s going to get banned as fast as you are. Now you’re both banned!”

 

And now both of these people are gone, and the people cannot be educated by either of them. Now they got to go to this website over here, and nobody wants to sign up for Rumble because YouTube is easier. They make it an inconvenience to find information. That’s what they do.

 

I mean, look, Adam Green, for example, they’ve banned him. They banned so many people. They got to go to Odysee, then they got to go to BitChute, then they got to go to this thing. Then Nick had to build his own damn website to have his show. I mean, it’s ridiculous!

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, that benefited us in terms of just the overreach of organisations like the ADL, where they came out against people like Tucker Carlson, people like Donald Trump when he was president. And even during Covid like the fact that they were kind of lumping in people that were opposed to lockdowns or people that were opposed to vaccines, they were lumping them in with the White supremacists, the neo-Nazis:

 

“All these people were extremists now!”

 

And they’ve totally overreached to a point where those terms are meaningless.

 

But also with the censorship, it’s like they’ve forced everyone into the same platforms. They forced everyone to go to places like Rumble and Telegram, and there wasn’t really as much of this payoff for people like:

 

“Well, if I just avoid certain talking points, I’ll never be censored. I can keep my platforms.”

 

It kind of forced everyone into the same environment, and it totally changed the calculation.

 

But as far as the optics thing as well, it’s like, well, I’ve never hid any of my beliefs. I’m very honest. I’ve presented very honestly on my account and stuff. My opinion on that it’s just like we always make this talking point like:

 

“Oh, we have normal beliefs and what we believe is normal.”

 

But people that still don’t really act like that when they get to post. And a lot of people just take joy in the taboo aspect of the beliefs.

 

But I do think there’s an appetite for a lot of the kind of things that are being offered by the dissident Right, right now.

 

And if people just presented like they deserve a seat at the table, they might be surprised how much traction they could get. And we’ve seen that with conservatism adopting this trend.

 

I think also with what you mentioned about intellectuals versus having approach and talking points. Approachable talking points. I don’t think there has to be a contradiction there either, in that you look at any successful system, any successful kind of intellectual system, or even a religion. You look at something like Catholicism and you get a very simple, very simple kind of moral message for the uneducated.

 

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But there’s like levels of it where you can go right up to very complex theological debates. I think any successful belief system functions like that. And I think there is a way to unite. You can have quite an intellectual scene on the Right, and you can have a very worked out radical worldview, but then it can kind of trickle down, like I said, right down to the kind of memeable phrases, right down to something like Ban the ADL. There’s levels to that. Someone can post the memes of Greenblatt and that guy with that guy that looks like Jabba the Hutt, whatever the ADL researcher is [Dr Mark Pitcavage].

 

But it’s like, yeah, you can go up levels and then you can go to the people that are actually exposing the information on this and that are showing how this is subverting democracy, how this is a minority group.

 

And you can go right down to the kind of interests that motivate people like Jonathan Greenblatt and why they’re so opposed to White people specifically, why they’re so opposed to things like discussions around immigration restriction, why they think it’s an anti-semitic dog whistle by Trump because he said he wanted to remove warmongers from office [chuckling].

 

So, yeah, I think something like this is ideal. And even when you talk about sort of spergs that attach themselves to hashtag, it’s like at a certain point, if you can get your talking point to the mainstream Right like that, and you can push it out there as a force in the world that’s directionally pushing back against the Left, then it’s like everyone is kind of on the same team. There’s kind of strength in numbers. You’re not as affected by certain individuals that they might try and tarnish you with because again, it’s like, well, we have Matt Walsh, we have Charlie Kirk, we have Dinesh D’Souza. This isn’t some fringe neo-Nazi position, right?

 

So, yeah, I think there’s a lot of positive lessons from this whole thing. There’s a lot of positive directions that can go in. And if you’re in the space, retweet this space, post Ban the ADL. Hashtag Ban the ADL. Reply to people with hashtag Ban the ADL. If you’re doing a reply to someone that tweeted about it, include the hashtag.

 

If you’re quote tweeting someone, include the hashtag. Even if you’re tweeting about something that’s not totally directly related to banning the ADL, you should tweet hashtag Ban the ADL. Let’s get it back into trending.

 

It did go number one trend very quickly. When it started, fell out for a while. By the next day, it was back to number two in the US. It was actually the top hashtag. Still it was behind some trend related to some holiday or something.

 

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But, yeah, it was pretty much up there at the very top for two days straight. Across the world, people were sending me screenshots from Austria, from Finland, where it was one, two, three, and they’re trending. It was trending in Australia for a couple of days. People are really seeing this. It’s probably gotten tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions of impressions.

 

But, yeah, let’s keep it going! Let’s get as much out of this as we can. Let’s force them to respond. Let’s keep the conversation centred on it. Tweet hashtag Ban the ADL.

 

I’m going to let in Joel Davis and I’m going to let in oh, actually, before I started as well, I asked Sam Parker to join, so I’m going to add him as a speaker as well.

 

Another guy who was there on it very early, tweeted some stuff that went really viral.

 

And also two guys who very early on were saying, the next step in this after it goes trending, Sam said this very early:

 

“The step after this goes trending and after this gets out there, everyone has seen it, is we need to start pressuring these more mainstream conservative types to post about it.”

 

And that’s another very successful tactic. You put your talking point out there.

 

There’s no good argument against it from a Right-wing perspective because what are you going to say? Are you going to say that you’re pro-the censorship of the ADL? Are you going to say that you’re pro-Jonathan Greenblatt running social media so you force them to pick a side. You create this binary. Are you pro-free speech or are you pro-ADL?

 

And I think that’s a very effective tactic. But yeah, I don’t know. Sam, if you want to speak first, if you have any thoughts on this and we’ll go to Joel.

 

Sam Parker: Can people hear me?

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, we can hear you.

 

Sam Parker: Okay, great. Listen, I just want to say thanks to Keith. I want to say thanks to Lucas for doing this Space. I saw Andrew Torba was in here for a while. Looks like he just left. That’s too bad. But Torba is a great ally. Shout out to him and everybody that’s on Gab. If you’re not on Gab, get on Gab. And if you’re on Gab, follow me. [chuckling]

 

But, hey, thanks a lot, Keith, for doing this. And Lucas, you guys are great thought leaders. You’re great men of action, and I look up to both of you guys. And you’re a great example.

 

Listen, I’ve learnt a lot of things the last couple of days from this ban, the ADL hashtag movement. And I want to say that one thing it’s really taught me is the power of unity. The ADL is strong because they’re so unified and they represent a very small slice of the population, but they’re very powerful because they’re unified, because they’re unity.

 

And I want to say, look what happened over the last couple of days with this ban. The ADL hashtag. Non-followers became followers, followers became follow backs, and then those mutuals became allies, and allies became partners, and then partners became friends. And my entire network was elevated. I got new followers, I got new follow backs. I got new mutuals, new allies, new partners, now new friends.

 

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And I think that’s the case for everybody. Our network is building right now. We’re building our unity and we’re building our power. And in just two days that has had tremendous consequences. Look at how Elon responded twice to Keith because of a 100% pure grassroots, absolute wildfire!

 

We were out there and we weren’t organised, we weren’t unified. But this hashtag and Keith’s leadership unified us in about, I don’t know, what was it, Keith? About 16 hours, 18 hours from time zero to Elon responding, it was about 60,000 tweets later. And after trending number one, in about 14, 16, 18 hours, Elon responded.

 

And then once Elon responded, then the big Right, Con Inc responded, and all of a sudden it was safe for all of them to weigh in.

 

And that’s the second thing I want to say. Those big accounts on the Right that are basically gatekeepers for the Right’s version of the plantation, the controlled plantation. They are influence leaders, of course, in a way, because they have big followings and they have the bully pulpit and they have the megaphones, but they’re not the thought leaders, right? They are not the vanguard thought leaders. The shrewd strategizers that we have, we have the truth on our side. We have the idea guys, we have the bleeding edge of the spear. They don’t have that they just have their big megaphone.

 

So in a sense, we’re sort of a tail wagging the dog. You look at last week, I don’t know how many of you noticed last week, but you had people like Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobiec who both started tweeting pro-White content a couple Sundays ago within minutes or hours of each other. And it kind of seemed a little bit artificial and coordinated.

 

But a year ago, or two years ago, those types of tweets and those types of positions taken by those accounts would have been unthinkable! We have been able to through a persistent posting and declaration of our positions and the truth, we’ve been able to basically drag them kicking and screaming along with us.

 

And so the real leadership is here and the power of our leadership is in our unity.

 

Now I want to say something else with regards to the boomers and this TV thing that Keith has been talking about and Lucas was talking about. Both of my parents, they’re boomers, they spend hours in front of the Fox News TV and what not. But they used to love to watch Tucker. Tucker’s on Twitter now. You know, my folks both have a smartphone and they both have tablets and they both spend a lot of time on their tablets and smartphones. And I helped my dad open a Twitter account so that they could watch Tucker.

 

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So I would encourage everybody on here, if you have a boomer in your life, or a friend, even a non-boomer, a friend who’s active on Facebook or is active on their gadgets, help them get a Twitter account and get them going and set up their Twitter account. Help them do that and help them know who to follow. Have them follow Lucas, have them follow Keith, have them follow Jake Shields, have them follow, … Get them a good starter list of followers.

 

And so when they day zero, when they start getting on Twitter, the content they’re going to be bombarded with is our content. And let’s start building our movement the grassroots, that way. Our whole movement is grassroots. And let’s just start. Lucas was talking about we got to win a we got an ally. Ally with the boomers in your life and with the non Twitter users in your life. Get them on, tell them who to follow, set them up and let’s build this thing.

 

I don’t have too much more to say. Just I want to say thanks to you guys for doing this. It was a lot of fun. This is some of the most fun I’ve had on Twitter in a while. There’s a lot of negativity on Twitter, there’s a lot of throttling, there’s a lot of bullshit on Twitter, but the last couple of days has been spectacular! It’s been lights out!

 

And I want to thank everybody who spent hours working their thumbs to death tweeting, retweeting, commenting, defending each other. I had a tweet that turned out to have been a doctored photo, an accident. I apologise for that, but a lot of people jumped in to defend and hold it up.

 

Anyway, I want to thank them for that. And that’s what we got to do. We got to have each other’s back and we did that, and that’s where our power is.

 

Anyway, that’s what I have to say to you. Thanks a lot.

 

Keith Woods: Hey, like, it was it was Lucas, it was Sam, it was Jake Shields. They were the guys that were on this early, pushing this out, understood the direction that it had to go in. These are guys have got their faces out there. They’re speaking truth to power. They’re standing up to the ADL. They understood what the play was. They understood how to get there. They’re all respectable optical guys and they were the perfect ones to kind of reach across and bring this to more mainstream Conservatives and show them what the issue is.

 

So, yeah, it was a great job all around. Do you want to speak, Joel?

 

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Joel Davis: Yeah, I could say a few things. I don’t want to have to speak too long on this subject because I listened to your opening monologue and a lot of the stuff that you said is similar to stuff that I say. Obviously, we’ve discussed these kinds of tactics many, many times over the years, and this is just implementation of principles and ideas and strategies that have been refined through many years online engaging in e-activism.

 

But one point that I wanted to impress upon was after we developed a little bit of initial momentum, and I don’t really want to say “we” actually, because a lot of you guys moved on this a bit earlier than me because you guys got kind of started up early in the morning, Australian time. I woke up and went to work and it was all kind of unfolding. And I kind of like, jumped in on it after you’d already developed some momentum.

 

So I don’t want to take undue credit, but once I saw that, I was like, okay, what’s like another few chess pieces that we can move here?

 

And so immediately I started coordinating people to start getting into replies of certain major Right-wing influencers, identified a few key ones to pressurize. I think Jack Posobiec was one of them, Matt Walsh was one of them. There was a few others. And I started directing my followers and people in-group chats and so on to just start spamming their replies and juicing replies in their tweets to pressure them to embrace the ban at the ADL hashtag or whatever, start talking about it.

 

And every single person that we pressured bar almost none, the pressure told almost immediately, we provoked pretty quick reactions from all of these figures.

 

Now, it’s possible that some of them just jumped on it, would have jumped on it anyway. But I felt like that was actually quite an effective strategy, and overall, it’s an effective strategy in general I think, too. When looking at these so-called “Con Inc” figures, a lot of people in our scene have contempt for these guys and think:

 

“Well, they have nefarious connections, they’re compromised due to those nefarious connections and so on and so we don’t find them trustworthy.”

 

And that’s a reasonable position to have for us, for obvious reasons.

 

But they can still be used! Because at the end of the day, they are nominally on the Right, and they have a platform that reaches millions.

 

And I think some of these guys like talking about Posobiec and Matt Walsh in particular, I think they actually are closer to us in their personal opinions than they can let on publicly because of the position that they’re in.

 

And so a lot of what we do is basically trying to give them the permission and the right kind of structure of pressures to say what they wish they could have said three or four years ago, but couldn’t. We know about the Posobiec, for example. Many people might not know this, but back in 2016, he was DMing with Richard Spencer. That all got leaked.

 

He was Tweeting 1488 and Son and Rads and things like that. And then he took a trip to Israel and went back to being a cuckservative.

 

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But I don’t think mentally he went back to being a cuckservative. It’s not like you can just un-see once you’ve seen it.

 

So as soon as he started seeing Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh saying base things about or kind of like pushing the envelope, I guess, on the race question, immediately he just starts spamming pro-White memes for like, three days, because he’s like:

 

“Yes! Finally the Overton window is shifted, and I can go back to this!”

 

And it was similar, I think, with this Ban the ADL thing. As soon as he smelt that it was possible to jump on it, he jumped on it with enthusiasm. So I think a lot of what we do here is kind of opening up the social permission for some of these figures to shift to the Right that want to do it anyway. For others, someone like Charlie Kirk, for example, I don’t think he actually is like those other two figures in the sense of I don’t think his personal opinions quite as convicted. He isn’t a very ideological person, I don’t think. He’s not very convicted in his beliefs. But he felt the pressure during the Groyper Wars when he had all of these young groypers mocking him for being pro-trans. And he had this take once which was like:

 

“Listen, Libtards, there’s two genders, okay? So pick one!”

 

As if it’s fine to be a transgender, but none of this gender fluidity stuff that’s going too far or whatever. He was extremely Left-wing. He was shilling for immigration. He was shilling for gay marriage. There was nothing Right-wing about him whatsoever. He got exposed. And that obviously took a personal toll on him as an individual.

 

And he doesn’t want to be seen in that way. He wants to be seen as like a legitimate Right-winger. That matters to him. That personal branding. And we control a significant portion of the social space that can provide that legitimation or take that legitimation away from him.

 

And so we have a social power that we can flex to mess with the brands of these individuals. We can control social space to change their perception of what is acceptable or unacceptable discourse. We have to realise and become conscious of this power and get strategic with how we use it. And this has been such a potent example, maybe better than almost anything else I can think of that’s happened recently, of how that power can be used effectively.

 

Maybe you could say that’s a Machiavellian way of looking at things. I disagree, because it’s just about understanding basic psychosocial dynamics and applying those principles to achieve what are kind of valid and true and legitimate ideological aims. So yeah, I think that’s been a bit of a wake up call, maybe, for some, from this experience.

 

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As Keith was saying before, we don’t have money. We can’t set up these massive media empires like the Daily Wire or whatever. We have to deal with censorship. We have to deal with a lot of obstacles.

 

But what we do have is an extremely dedicated base. Our guys are smarter than everybody else. Our guys are funnier. Our guys are more dedicated, et cetera. We have more willpower, more creativity. We’ve got a lot of advantages that maybe seem kind of intangible on their face, but when put into practice, can really manifest significant results. Because at the end of the day, all these people, all these conservative influences, they’re all human beings. They have emotions, they have egos, and it affects them.

 

Look at someone like Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson literally had a mental breakdown, or several mental breakdowns due to being bullied online by the Alt-Right. This is what we can actually do to some of these influencers. We can really profoundly affect how they perceive the world, how they perceive themselves.

 

It doesn’t matter how successful you are. It doesn’t matter how many millions of followers you have, how many book deals you had, how many millions of dollars you have in the bank. If a bunch of people who have ideological conviction, who are nominally on your side are exposing your hypocrisy, that’s got to hurt! That’s got to bite!

 

There’s a kind of like a reward-punishment kind of dynamic that we can have here. If these conservative kind of influencers, these top conservative influencers want to play ball with us and want to move in our direction, we can be friendly towards them, we can encourage them, we can boost them, we can make them feel legitimate and make them feel part of the team. But if they don’t kind of go in the direction that we want them to go in, well, then we can ridicule them, we can criticise them, we can expose them, and so on.

 

And that’s not going to look good for them.

 

So I think a lot of what we’re going to be doing here going forward is, obviously narrative is primary, but on top of narrative, it’s, I guess, like a tactical kind of social game that we’re playing, really.

 

Keith Woods: I don’t even want to focus too much on tactics or stuff.

 

I mean, the main thing is, look, it’s a righteous cause. Everyone should just tweet it out because it’s a righteous cause. The strength in numbers.

 

At the end of the day, look, it’s a very simple case. Like, this is a small organisation, a small cadre of elites that are interfering with social media, that are using financial leverage from oligarchs to affect pressure on what’s allowed in the public square. And they’re doing that on the basis of a standard they have that reflects nothing but their own personal interests. It doesn’t reflect the majority will. It doesn’t reflect where anyone is, except, like I said, a very extreme minority in terms of what they consider hate, what they consider extremism. And it’s interfering in countries outside of the US. It’s having popular political parties in Eastern Europe banned off social media, thereby affecting their support, affecting their election results.

 

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And there’s no way for those countries to deal directly with this organisation interfering in their business. The only response in the end is just for people to speak truth to power on this and to come together and say:

 

“Let’s unite the whole Right around, something needs to be done about these organisations. We need to get back a public square. We need to get back free speech in the Internet.”

 

And it starts with dismantling these organisations that exist to participate in cultural and financial terrorism. The ADL should not exist. There’s no case for it being on here. There’s no case for it existing in general.

 

I think a case can also be made that it could be abolished as an entity that serves foreign interests in the US. This is something that hasn’t been talked about much. I might publish something on this later, but there was an investigation into leaks that came out of the US State Department where there was leaks being sent to Israel through AIPAC that the FBI was investigating.

 

And Abe Foxman, the [now former] head of the ADL, enacted a pressure campaign on politicians and on the media, used media connections to say that the fact that there was leaks coming out of this investigation was anti-semitic. It was playing into an anti-semitic caricature, that there was a witch hunt of a jewish spy and this was going to embolden anti-semitism.

 

And through enacting this pressure that he had through financial and media connections, he was able to pressure the Attorney General into dropping this case.

 

So very directly, the ADL was participating in and defending a spy operation in the US for Israel. And was essentially ensuring that even if this happened, that justice couldn’t be carried out by the internal processes that exist in the US.

 

So there’s no case for this organisation existing. It’s hostile to free speech on the internet, it’s tactics are nefarious, it’s interfering in other countries electoral processes.

 

So yeah, it has to go!

 

And I don’t think people should especially focus too much on keeping control of this or where it’s going to go. Who knows? For now, we just need to keep this going. Hashtag Ban the ADL. Let’s get it back into trending. Anything you can get out there that’s shareable, that’s memeable, we’ll keep the energy going.

 

I probably won’t keep this space going too much longer because I don’t want to turn it into rehashing the same talking points or getting too kind of technical in our arguments.

 

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But I have another request from Gadius, who, he was in my test space earlier where I was testing out my audio, so it’s only fair I bring him into the real thing.

 

But yeah, Gadius, if you want to speak and then we’ll see where we go with it.

 

Gadius: Can you hear me?

 

Keith Woods: Yeah.

 

Gadius: I just want to touch on what you said earlier about the rank and file not being lazy or whatever and actually getting their asses in gear on things like this. I hope it’s crystal clear that this spear has the capability of making their own hashtag Black Lives Matter or Pound Me Too. It’s obvious Ban ADL has been number one. It was number one, now it’s five, and over the past three days. So that right there is a real big white pill for the rank and file. And they should have the mindset of, like you said, even every Tweet, even if it doesn’t have anything to do with it, it should be like Cato, “Carthage must burn!” The end of the tweet is “Ban the ADL”.

 

So it’s like the troops, the frogs, the normies, like myself, should get in line and just keep pushing this because it’s something that we can do. I mean, obviously we don’t have institutions yet, there’s new institutions being built and everything, but this is where we’re strongest at is on the meta-political field. And like you said, if it didn’t work, they wouldn’t suppress as much as they do.

 

So I think the frogs really need to get behind stuff like this, like, Juice Gang. Ever since the beginning of the year or last year, they just been killing it on Twitter and driving the narrative. And yourself and Joel, with respect to your own countries, really been putting in work, and that’s a big white pill. And it’s really time to get serious. It’s fun to shit post. It’s fun to get on and dance and dunk on the liberals and all that shit, but it really is time to get serious. We’ve got guys going to prison now for retarded shit! And it’s like, yeah, we got to ban these guys!

 

So that’s really the only message I want to put out, is just to the frogs, to the rank and file, to the normies, is to get in line.

 

So that’s what I got to say.

 

Joel Davis: We just have Conservatives expend all this energy going after Bud Light. And fine, it was, I guess, a worthy cause to an extent. But how much better is Conservatives going after the ADL? You got to pick your battles. There’s only so much attention that the conservative media space can really afford to a list of top targets. Top enemies.

 

You know, I think we’ve seen this year how effective the conservative media scene can be at mobilising against a target. When it locks on a target, it can really do serious damage. But you want that damage being done where it counts, and Bud Light doesn’t really count that much. ADL would count a lot.

 

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And so helping guide the right to picking better enemies, to kind of prioritize, I think that’s a really, like, this is a great example of something that maybe we can provide, is trying to pick better targets for the Right.

 

And it isn’t necessarily like a super radical thing, as Keith said, it’s a basic free speech issue. These guys are coming after us. ADL came after Trump. Came after Tucker Carlson. It’s not just them coming after the real radical fringe. They’re coming after everyone. So it’s just logical. Even all these Right-wing jews are like:

 

“Actually, we hate the ADL as well!”

 

Be that as it may, it should be an easy W. It should be kind of a no-brainer, and that’s what’s manifested here.

 

And I think if we could pick out a few more of these no-brainers, excellent! But for now, focusing on this, it just seems like a really productive use of the Right’s energy. So brilliant work by everybody.

 

Lucas Gage: I just want to clarify something, because, Joel, you brought up Machiavellianism. When I mentioned that, I was talking about myself needing to deal with certain thought leaders because everyone’s got different personalities. What’s happening right now is actually pure, unadulterated real energy from the bottom up! There’s no need to be any of that, you just take the energy and move with it. This is like Trump when he was in 2015. That was real energy Trump tapped in. We could think Trump is this or that, Zio, whatever.

 

But that was a real energy! That was a raw movement and so is this Ban ADL hashtag.

 

So there’s no reason for any of us to be Machiavellian when we’re promoting the message. I was referring to myself dealing with certain people with different egos. Because, you know how it is when you talk to different people. They have different opinions and you got to navigate that. I just want to make sure everyone understands that I was talking about myself, not the strategy to push this forward.

 

This is raw, unadulterated, true from the grassroots, and it just needs to be put out there with your heart and with your tactics that are going to be eloquent and doing what you have to do to make the message spread as far as wide as possible.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, what I meant by that was just like picking wise targets, not doing anything disingenuous or immoral, obviously.

 

Lucas Gage: I’m just saying I thought you were referring to what I said earlier. But Keith, we had Adam Green with his hand up earlier as well. I don’t know if he wants to say, you want him to jump on or, he’s a speaker now.

 

Keith Woods: Sorry, you cut out for a second. What did you say?

 

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Lucas Gage: Adam Green has had his hand up for a while. Now he’s a speaker. He hasn’t spoken yet. I don’t know if you want him to jump in or, it’s your Space. That’s what I’m saying.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, sure, a few speakers have been added. If someone wants to jump in, we can finish up soon enough.

 

But yeah, let’s get some more people in.

 

Lucas Gage: Adam, you there?

 

Adam Green: Yeah, I’m here. Can you guys hear me?

 

Lucas Gage: Yeah, I can hear you.

 

Adam Green: Thanks, Angelo [Lucas] and Keith. I really tip my hat to you for getting this amazing campaign started. This has really been unprecedented! The ADL has never had this type of grassroots pushback before. And I’ve been calling on mass protest of the ADL for years, because undoubtedly they’re the single most proponent of censorship, and behind the censorship of the Internet more than any other group.

 

I mean, the reign of terror has got to stop! Greenblatt is a power tripping tyrant! And he’s unelected. Who made him king to censor the Internet? He’s a bottled water salesman! He’s never gotten any pushback in the media. He parades around on the media all the time. Never has to debate, never has to get it. Never gets any pushback at all.

 

And clearly the ADL is openly brazenly with a lot of chutzpah using mob tactics. Like this extortion racket has got to be exposed.

 

I just retweeted. As soon as Elon bought Twitter, Greenblatt started threatening them. He even threatened, like, something about:

 

“It’ll be the death of Twitter if you don’t put us in charge of what gets, …”

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, that’s what Elon replied to originally, was I posted that screenshot where November 22 last year, I think it was, the ADL said:

 

“Twitter was now on ‘Death Watch’.”

 

Was the quote, due to the change in trust and safety. Which essentially meant that because Twitter was going to allow free speech, they were, … [cutting out]

 

Adam Green: Yeah, he said that they’re on “Death Watch”. This is like an open threat! This is total mob like extortion! They did it to Elon, threatening him with the advertisers. They even included me. They said if I wasn’t banned, that they’re going to organise mass boycotts against him. And the tweet that they wanted me banned for was me quoting Christopher Hitchens, a famous atheist, saying that “Judaism is evil”.

 

So apparently they’re the arbiters of what’s good and bad, and anybody that opposes them or criticises anything related to Judaism or Israel, or any jew is “evil and needs to be suppressed and censored”. So we can’t call them evil, but they have carte blanche to decide everybody else is evil.

 

Lucas Gage: Hitchens was jewish, by the way Adam. Hitchens himself was jewish.

 

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Adam Green: Yeah, he was part. But still, the idea that you can’t even criticise a major religion is outrageous!

 

And there’s a lot of alarming stuff going on with Twitter, like the facial recognition with the Israeli company that was just announced last week. The new CEO of X [Linda Yaccarino] is adopting the ADL talking points, like the Orwellian terms like:

 

“Free speech but not free reach. Freedom of speech but not freedom of reach!”

 

Or, yeah:

 

“We’re going to throttle you and shadow ban you if it’s Lawful but awful!”

 

All these little cute phrases that they have.

 

And so it’s great that we had a grassroots pushback on this. Also wanted to bring up something I’ve been talking about for years, sounding the alarm, the IHRA [International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance] definition of “anti-semitism”. It’s one of the ADL’s primary goals. And they are trying to impose this new definition of anti-semitism on every institution world-wide. Our State Department, the Anti-semitism Czars, this has been their main agenda. The State Department has adopted this.

 

And this definition is essentially enforcing blasphemy laws around the world where you can’t call them racist, you can’t question any dual loyalties to Israel. You can’t say that they have power or control over any, quote, “societal institution” and a bunch of other ones. No conspiracies about any have any conspiracies, …

 

Keith Woods: That’s been added to Hate Speech laws in Europe. That’s one of the things the ADL does, is it petitions for all these countries with Hate Speech laws to make part of their definition of hate speech against jews is the IHRA definition of anti-semitism. Which means if you’re even critical of Israel, if you say Israel shouldn’t exist, … I’m getting some feedback Adam. Can you mute for a second? Yeah. So with the definition, if you say that Israel shouldn’t exist, that’s classified as “anti-semitism”, that’s classified as “hate speech”.

 

You know, essentially, if you’re not a Zionist, which is what that means, or a Zionist is someone that believes the state of Israel, if you’re not a Zionist, that is what the ADL wants to include. And it’s what they call the “international working definition of anti-semitism”. And yeah, they’re heavily pressuring all these countries to add it to their Hate Speech laws. Essentially abolish any kind of criticism of Israel at all. It’s totally extreme!

 

And that’s another good point to hammer home, is the fact that, look, this organisation tried to have Tucker Carlson de-platformed. They’d organised an advertiser boycott that was actually quite successful. Even though Tucker was the most popular TV show host in the US. His advertising was really sparse compared to other hosts. The reason for them advertising it or for organising that was because he pushed what they call “Replacement Theory” that he said that:

 

“Democrat politicians were replacing voters with immigrants.”

 

And of course, you go to their website, as has been highlighted, and they argued against the idea that Israel should live side by side in a kind of one state solution with Palestinians, because Palestinians would outbreed the jews, that was literally on their website.

 

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So you see the complete contrast where they have these extreme Left-wing colour-blind policies for the US. But they’re still like defending Zionism, defending a very muscular jewish nationalism, and even trying to impose that in law where you can’t criticise Zionism. So it just exposes the whole basis of this. There’s no principles there, except their own empowerment.

 

Adam Green: Yeah, they’ve got so many double standards. Like, for instance, I tweeted yesterday that the ADL is strongly opposed to BDS, which is the peaceful boycott of Israel. So when it’s boycotting Israel, they say, “boycotts don’t work, boycotts are evil”.

 

But then they turn around and then want to boycott anybody that they want, including Twitter.

 

And also the hypocrisy. ADL puts out articles saying that:

 

“Oh, we can’t have a one state solution.”

 

Or:

 

“We can’t have this state of Palestine because the Palestinians will subvert us. If they come over, they’ll demographically subvert us.”

 

Something like that.

 

But then that’s the exact same thing that they do push for in America. And the way that their only response.

 

Of course, it’s typical 130,000 tweets. People of all backgrounds and colours opposing the ADL, and they say:

 

“Oh, it’s all conspiracies!”

 

They don’t address any of this irrefutable information. They just say:

 

“It’s all conspiracies. Everybody’s a White supremacist that says it. Anybody that opposes us is an anti-semite!”

 

Like being opposed to the ADL is not hating all jews, it is not anti-semitism.

 

If this was Russians in our country, a Russian lobby doing this, or if this was Chinese, we would all be saying the exact same things. But they try to hide behind that. And they say it’s a conspiracy theory, that they’re censoring us, as they’re openly and brazenly doing it. It’s like gaslighting everybody!

 

Joel Davis: It was incredible! I was reading the Rolling Stone article that they wrote about this earlier. And in the article they referred to the idea that the ADL has any influence as an “anti-semitic conspiracy theory”.

 

Yet at the same time, they were just describing in the article how the head of the ADL was meeting with the head of Twitter to impose new hate speech rules to avoid an ADL led boycott.

 

So it’s like, well, wait a second! The richest man in the entire world, Elon Musk, is less powerful than this organisation. This organisation is able to impose it’s will on literally the richest man in America, yet it’s an anti-semitic conspiracy theory to point out that it has enough power to do. So like it’s insane! Like, the level of gaslighting that they’re operating on. How anyone can look at this objectively, …

 

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Keith Woods: It’s also on their website that they take credit for the banning of Donald Trump that happened after January 6. They take credit that they organised all these companies and eight different civil society organisations into this big coalition to pressure social media companies to ban him. So it’s on their website where they brag about their past achievements and getting people banned.

 

And then this Rolling Stone article that included me was saying that it was:

 

“An anti-semitic trope to say that the ADL has any responsibility for censorship.”

 

It’s like, we have the clip of Greenblatt saying that ADL engineers went into Google and YouTube and changed the algorithms to make them less prone to presenting hate to people.

 

That main ADL researcher guy, Mark Pitcavage. Like, his first response was, he said that:

 

“Criticism of the ADL was anti-semitic.”

 

All right, if that’s the way you want to go, that’s a pretty terrible tactic for them in responding to this.

 

But, yeah, they don’t know how to deal with this. They just make it worse for themselves. They double down.

 

Adam Green:Their website, when they had the definition of racism on their website. That was one of the top Google search results. If you Googled “racism”. And it said basically that “only White people can be racist” and that “non-White people can’t be racist”. And they were pressured to change it, basically.

 

But that is so brazen and mask off! I don’t see how they could ever have any credibility with any social media or government. And they’ve got so much! They work with the FBI, CIA, local police. They’re sending the Congress, of course. They’re sending them all over to Israel. They’re in the school. They have projects in schools all over as well.

 

And they’re like a foreign agency. They’ve got an office in Israel. They work closely with Mossad also to censor any criticism. They were set up by the B’nai B’rith, which means “the children of the covenant”. Like, they have a covenant with God. They’re chosen by God, destined to “heal the world and to lead the nations” and all this stuff.

 

And then anybody that opposes their agenda is an evil anti-semite. And people got to understand that this whole anti-semitism narrative is so deeply rooted in their religion!

 

To really understand what is going on here, you have to understand how it connects to their religion. They believe that they’re essentially chosen by God to be hated! And that we’re born hating them for no reason. And this is how they approach it and react and respond to everything that happens.

 

And it’s very important that we maintain the moral high ground, and don’t become the stereotypical villains. Because they actually thrive off of actual archetypal hate and anti-semitism.

 

I just read a book recently, actually, and then I’ll close it out. The Paradox of Anti-semitism is written by a Reform rabbi. Let me read you guys a quote right here, just so you understand this. It says:

 

“It is a paradox that in the modern times, …”

 

I’m sorry. Here we go:

 

“Rather than being our most ferocious enemy anti-semitism has, as I believe, often fostered jewish survival. Hostility towards Judaism and the jewish people has isolated us as a nation and intensified our determination to survive. The more the outside world hated us, the more we relied on God to save us.”

 

And it says:

 

“Through over three millennia we have ourselves as God’s suffering servants.”

 

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It’s their religion to play this like:

 

“We’re the victim role. We’re persecuted by everybody, everybody’s evil that opposes us.”

 

And it says:

 

“We have been God’s chosen people whose destiny is to witness it’s eternal truth.”

 

And then it says, last one:

 

“We should acknowledge that jewish survival and jew hatred are paradoxically interrelated, and that without anti-semitism, jews may not be able to withstand the pressures of the modern world.”

 

So you have to understand the religion, how they view Amalek and Esau and this dialectic. And you can’t play into their dialectic and become their villain and give them their victim status, because then they can play it off as:

 

“Oh, everybody hates us and we’re just defending ourselves.”

 

And all of these things.

 

So it’s very important. It can’t be our religion that they’re evil. We have to point out that their religion is anti-us!

 

Keith Woods: We want to close this out now. Josh and Jefferson both requested, one of you can speak and then I’m going to finish this up.

 

Josh: I’ll make it real quick. I appreciate the opportunity. I’ll just say Lucas, Sam, Keith, and for the guys who aren’t here, Nick and Jake. Fantastic job! Really, really great work!

 

This is an important time, I think, and I hope people were watching this and I hope people understand the value of Internet activism because this kind of thing can only happen by engaging with the institutions and networks that are available to us.

 

And as some of you have already alluded to, it’s not about optics, cucking or undermining yourself or anything like that. It’s about how do you get the message out there.

 

And I think you guys did a great job!

 

The second thing I would say is that, and everyone who’s a speaker on this panel has observed this. There has been a change in the social mood, there’s been a change in the cultural climate since probably around the time Elon Musk first announced he was going to purchase Twitter, but certainly by the time of Kanye West at the end of last year.

 

And a lot of us have noted that things are starting to feel like 2015, 2016. This whole campaign basically was what brought Trump to the White House. This whole campaign, the energy, the networking, everything was the Meta of the political campaign we’re all engaged in. And that was forgotten. We’ve all lost touch with that. Not all, myself personally, I wasn’t part of that initial wave. I came a little bit later.

 

But there was terrible censorship that demoralised a lot of us. And now that’s over and we’re in a different period. The censorship is different, the cultural climate is different, the social mood is different.

 

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And I just hope everyone is paying attention to what you guys are doing and trying to replicate that. Because part of where we went wrong was mistaking Trump, or Pepe, or whatever, as the things that got us to that moment, rather than the social, the meta-political things that were happening, like the Twitter engagement, the networking, so on and so forth.

 

And we can see in just how badly the ADL and Jonathan Greenblatt are getting ratioed, that there actually isn’t anything behind them! It’s totally paper tiger syndrome. And all it takes is creativity from us, ingenuity from us, perseverance from us, and we drive the news cycle. I’m saying “we”, I was, you know, just the jar head of the culture war. Keith, again, tip of my hat to you guys. It was you guys, but it was also us together.

 

And I think I’m hoping that’s what people take away from this.

 

Anyway, thank you.

 

Keith Woods: All right, we have some breaking news. Elon Musk just quote tweeted Eva Lardon [sp], whatever her name is, about the hashtag Ban the ADL. And he said:

 

“Perhaps we should run a poll on this.”

 

So everyone get on Elon’s replies, tweet hashtag Ban the ADL, tweet the pictures that we’ve tweeted out with the hashtag, the kind of shareable graphics. I might do a reply as well with one of those juice [word unclear]. We need to get this back trending. This is the perfect opportunity.

 

If he does a poll about it, we can win the poll, we can banish the ADL once and for all. This is a golden opportunity!

 

So everyone juice that. Get in the replies, tweet the hashtag, tweet stuff that’s shareable, getting the quote tweets. And yeah, this is the next phase. This is the next phase. The Elon engagement with this is going to bring it back.

 

So everyone, right now, go to my page, you’ll see the retweet of Elon’s post about this. This is how we’ll get it back trending, and let’s show the energy that’s behind this.

 

I might actually, right now, just go and grab one of the images and post in his replies and we can juice that up as well. Or what do you think? Should I leave one of the posts I’ve done about it for people to read, or will I just post the hashtag and the image? I think just the image should be good.

 

Lucas Gage: Well, what’s the image Keith?

 

Keith Woods: It’s the one on my page. It’s just hashtag Ban the ADL. It’s kind of a shareable graphic.

 

Josh: Yeah, just throw something out to juice real quick and then construct a better tweet later. Sit down and then that’ll be the one to juice later.

 

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Keith Woods: Yeah. Okay, I’m going to write something up. Let’s see.

 

Joel Davis: But yeah, I mean, he wouldn’t have said that if he wasn’t going to do the poll, so I’m looking forward to this poll. I wonder how it goes sees.

 

Keith Woods: We’ve got to put everything into this.

 

Joel Davis: Should you suggest what question he should specifically ask?

 

Keith Woods: The question is going to be, “Should I ban the ADL?” [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: Hopefully that is what it is.

 

Josh: Hey, he has that one tweet from last year that it says:

 

“Everything will be Democratic on Twitter, X from now on.”

 

So you can try to hold him to his own word on that.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah. Vox popular Vox day, right?

 

Lucas Gage: This is a big fucking [word unclear] right here, boys. This is huge! If he pulls this off, man, … because then if he doesn’t go through with the fucking thing we want, then it’s even worse on him.

 

Joel Davis: But the thing is, he’s in the same position that he’s still been in, though, which is that, well, they’re just going to organise and advertise a boycott against him.

 

So it’s like Elon’s going to need the support of the broader Right-wing to, …

 

Lucas Gage: Kind of like Trump situation, Joel. You see, like, Trump’s got the people underneath him, behind him. So, like, all the shit he’s going through, he’s still doing what he does. He’s still one of the favourites.

 

If Elon becomes a Trump like figure in the big tech world, he’s going to get support of the people. Like:

 

“You know what, guys? I’m getting all the advertisers, they’re nuking themselves, but hey, we’re going to have to double X to $16 a month.”

 

People might just fucking do it! I mean, people bought Trump’s fucking stupid NFT figures! If people like you, they’ll support you.

 

So if Elon could become another Trump, whatever you think of Trump, I’m talking about the energy behind Trump, he can make it! And look, we had Torba in here. Sadly, he left, but he explained how hard it was for Gab, little Gab, to get away from all these people. He had to make his own fucking network, his mailing system, infrastructure, everything he had to do from scratch. And Elon’s got 44 billion in debt.

 

But it’s a bigger project, it’s a bigger platform, and it’s more of a threat than Gab, honestly. And Torba knows that. But he was in here explaining, … The last Twitter space I did with [word unclear], who’s in here actually, a lot of people were actually shocked that people were thinking like us. They were like:

 

“Wow! There’s more of us!”

 

So people don’t even know that we’re out there thinking like this.

 

[1:41:12]

 

So that’s another white pill. There’s more people to encourage, to get along. Like you said, I forgot who it was. I think it was you Joel, who said:

 

“We give permission to the people at the top to actually be themselves.”

 

Right? The Charlie Kirks and things like this. It’s almost like they’re stuck, right? They’re stuck in a rock and a hard place. They got their paychecks. They want to say certain things, but they’ll lose them. But if they don’t make us happy, they’ll lose us, which also pays them.

 

So it’s like, if they’re just greedy people, if it’s Jack Posobiec who’s one of us, technically, if he is or not, who knows? Then we could actually get these people freed from the shackles. And it seems to me, Elon, he might be stuck! And he’s like, doing these little things to say:

 

“Help. Hey, help me, guys.”

 

Maybe other people think Elon’s pure evil. It’s just an act. It’s all speculation. But whatever it is, we have to act accordingly.

 

Joel Davis: Well, we’ve seen Matt Walsh organise pretty effective consumer boycotts, so perhaps some of these we can list, what are some of these companies that are going to participate in the ADL boycott? Maybe Conservatives can start targeting some of them and start boycotting them in retaliation for boycotting Twitter, do some counter boycotts.

 

And perhaps some of these conservative companies, like perhaps MyPillow, can focus some more cash [chuckling] on advertising on Twitter and so on, you know what I mean? Maybe like some incentivisation for propping up Twitter with more advertisers.

 

And also, yeah, as I said, counter boycotting the boycotters. There’s probably some creative tactics we could deploy here to counterattack on behalf of Twitter to protect it from some of this.

 

Keith Woods: Right, I replied to Elon. Everyone juice my reply, I’ve got the image, I’ve got the hashtag. Pretty simple reply, but just make the argument, get out there, let’s just get a trend.

 

And everyone, also, leave your own reply. Post the memes in his replies. Post some of the kind of shareable content that’s been going around. Post some of the information on ADL. There will be a lot of people looking in the replies. They can find the stuff we’ve been posting, they can find the hashtag, try and educate them on it.

 

So, yeah, get in the replies! Show Elon we’re behind him.

 

I might just end it there. But, yeah, this is great timing. If we end it now, he just tweeted that there’s going to be a flurry of people posting replies.

 

So this is a great opportunity. As this ends, everyone go tweet, get in the replies, make your own tweets. Let’s get it trending again, Hashtag Ban the ADL. This is a perfect opportunity has now presented itself to bring this back into the trending and get those numbers up.

 

So thanks, everyone who joined again. Thanks to all the guys who were part of this, got on us early. Everyone who took part, all the smaller accounts, small and big. It’s good stuff. And yeah, let’s see where this goes. This is a very interesting development. But keep going, keep pushing, keep juicing hashtag Ban the ADL, tweet it as soon as this finishes. Let’s check the latest tab for Ban the ADL, and let’s absolutely fill that up. Let’s have these going every second and this back in the trending. So all right, take care, everyone. Thanks for joining. Peace out.

 

Lucas Gage: Take care, guys. Bye.

 

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Americans have lost their country to organized Jewry, they lost it slowly and imperceptibly. Indeed, most Americans remain unaware that their country no longer belongs to them. They fervently believe they still live in a democracy. This was a takeover not without precedent, however. It had happened to Germany. It had happened to Russia. It has now happened to America.
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John Friend: All right folks. Welcome back to another edition of the Realist Report. This is your host John Friend.

 

Joining me today is Tanstaafl, who maintains the excellent website Age of Treason. Tanstaafl is one of the most insightful and articulate commentators in the alternative independent media today, especially when it comes to the jewish problem. A topic that we will be discussing at length during this podcast.

 

Tan, thanks for joining me. How are you today, sir?

 

Tanstaafl: Good John. I’m just getting over a cold as you know. But feeling much better today.

 

John Friend: Well, you sound fine and, you know, if you’ve got to sneeze, or cough, or anything, …

 

Tanstaafl: I may! [laughing]

 

John Friend: … Just put yourself on mute and I’m sure we can deal with it.

 

Thanks for coming on the program. Last time you were on was actually a year ago, exactly. I was just looking at my website, and one year ago, today. Well, I guess when I post this program, which will be technically tomorrow, December 7th. You were on. And I had been wanting to interview you for a long time because I followed your work for a number of years and listened to pretty much all of your podcasts. And you’ve been a big influence in my thinking, especially when it comes to racial issues and, of course, the jewish problem.

 

So, just to get started, could you talk about what you’ve been up to lately? I know you were recently shoahed from Twitter. So you are no longer on Twitter, but I see you’ve been blogging a lot lately. So, why don’t you just tell us what you’ve been up to.

 

Tanstaafl: Well, yeah, I wouldn’t call it a lot. I’ve actually been pretty inactive for the last year. Actually, it started even before I talked to you last.

 

But, I’ve been active mostly on Twitter. I had stopped blogging so much. Before I had been in the habit of posting about once a week, once every couple of weeks, and it really dropped off to almost nothing.

 

But Twitter is, … It wasn’t because I was not paying attention to what was going on and didn’t have thoughts. It was just because I was expressing myself mainly through Twitter. Which is really a different form of media. It’s like, it’s been called a “micro blog”, and that is really a good description for it.

 

So, instead of writing these long posts on a blog, you write little snippets of thoughts that fit in 140 characters. And you can whip them off pretty quickly, and in response to lots of different stories. So it’s becomes addictive! You know, you’re sitting there paying attention to what’s going on in the news, what everybody’s excited about and you have some insight into it, or you just want to bring it to other people’s attention and you comment on it.

 

And the big problem with it, as I found out — I was well aware I was just wondering when it would happen — but I found out a couple of weeks ago right, you know, few weeks after the election. When Twitter decides that you’re too much of a problem, they can just delete your account and it’s as if you never existed.

 

So, I don’t really plan on going back, as useful as I found it. Most of the value was, for me, besides sharing thoughts with other like minds, was, … What I found on Twitter was that basically the enemy is using it as a communication platform. Very similar to what was uncovered back several years ago. I think 2012 election cycle. The journalist email list that they used to use back then — it might have been even 2008 cycle? I can’t recall now. It was quite a while ago.

 

But basically before Twitter existed, the jews and the jews media, and their fellow travellers, used to communicate with each other via a private email list, that was invite only. But it was a massive number of people. And when it was uncovered and the e-mails were shared by somebody, it was shocking to a lot of people. That these people were colluding and, you know, coming up with a shared narrative about how to deal with certain scandals that broke.

 

And we’ve seen it again in this election cycle with the Wiki Leaks thing, I mean there was there was a bit of that.

 

But every day on Twitter — and you don’t even have to have an account on Twitter — you can sign up. And the main reason to sign up is so you can make a list. But even if you don’t sign up for Twitter you can just go to these different accounts one by one and look at what they’re saying. It’s convenient when you make a list, because it basically mashes them all together. And that’s one of the first things I did after they kicked me off. I just created a dummy account so that I could create a list of all these jews media jews, so that I could see what they were chattering about, what they were screeching about today. And so basically it’s what they call that, “opposition research”? Sure, it’s very effective for that.

 

[05:00]

 

John Friend: Yeah and you can kind of see how they sort of collude to control the narrative in a way that advance specifically jewish interests. And it doesn’t matter if they’re on the Left, or the Right, you know, so-called Left and Right, you know, jews always operate and collude together to advance specifically jewish interests. And in many cases they’re very blatant and out in the open with it.

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah. You can see a difference between the Left and Right jews — the Conservatives and liberals — and how they kind of pose and posture, as opponents. But then on Twitter, you know, they’re part of a team. They’ll argue with each other on Twitter as well.

 

But, what I’ve noticed is this, and it was even before Twitter, of course, that I noticed this, but, on Twitter you can see it developing in real time. This cycle that they get into. This positive feedback cycle where one jew will start screeching about something that’s going on, … Steve Bannon is a good — the “Bannocaust” that I wrote about just recently — was a good example of what was happening just as I got kicked off of Twitter.

 

Some jew, I noticed, was saying:

 

“Steve Bannon, it’s incredible that he’s been appointed to this position of power. He’s a horrible anti-Semite!”

 

And then, other jews pick this up and they all start, you know, screeching in unison on Twitter! And this was all the day before it all came out in public stories that they wrote for their jews media corporations, and were actually published in papers and online zines, and so forth. That toned down that the jewish aspect of it for public consumption.

 

They, instead of describing Bannon as a horrible anti-Semite, they emphasized and said that he was a:

 

“White supremacist, White nationalist, racist, bigot, whatever!”

 

But you could see on Twitter, twenty four hours before that broke out in the mainstream media and took it to public attention, how they had colluded on this very jewish attitude about Bannon. And it was all about the jews from their point of view.

 

John Friend: Right. And it always is. And I was following that story, you know, when it first broke. And, as you said, they were, there were literally hundreds of articles about how Bannon was this anti-Semite, and a racist, and a leader of the Alt-Right, etc.

 

And I mean, even the ADL had to sort of come out and backtrack on all that and say:

 

“Well, you know, maybe this guy really isn’t an anti-Semite. But he’s still bad! Trump is still bad!”

 

So I mean, it’s just amazing how they, … Truly, I mean they are very delusional! These people are just totally delusional.

 

Tanstaafl: Well, it was very much like the “Hagelocaust”, back when Chuck Hagel was nominated for Secretary of Defense. I forget the year, it was couple years ago. Obama nominated him. And he was, you know, a centrist Republican, but kind of anti-war. And he had made statements in the past. One in particular sticks out in my mind that he had said that:

 

“I’m a Senator of the United States, not a Senator of Israel.”

 

When he was pushed on some issue about protecting Israel, or something.

 

And what happened when he was nominated, the same thing. The jews, basically in private, started making a stink about it and it rose and rose, the crescendo rose until it broke out into the mainstream media as these charges against Hagel. That he’s unfit for the job, he cannot do it!

 

Now in the end, Hagel got appointed and passed, but he first had to go and on bended knee, apologize to the jews for ever saying anything negative about them and promised that he was going to be the best Secretary of Defense for Israel, that he could be.

 

And that’s what I pointed out at the time was, you know, here are two groups of jews. There were jews for him and jews against him. But the basis for their argument was that he’s “good for the jews”. Both sides had a different opinion about it, but that was the basis, the common ground, that they were arguing on. It was totally jewish! And totally about what’s best for the jews, what’s best for Israel, not what’s best for United States. Even as a abstract idea.

 

And I saw the same thing with the “Bannonocaust”. It was a bunch of jews arguing about whether he was good, or bad for the jews.

 

John Friend: Right. And isn’t it amazing how, … I mean we see this all the time, you know, anytime anyone says anything even slightly critical of jews, or makes simple, basic, factual statements, about jews and their power and influence and their agenda, you know, that’s anti-Semitism to these people! That is paranoia and conspiracy theories.

 

And really, they’ve been so effective at preventing people from openly discussing their power and influence, even when jews themselves, openly write about it and openly talk about it.

 

[10:07]

 

I mean, this is something that you’ve been doing for quite a while, just, you know, quoting jews. And as you said, you go on Twitter and you see what they’re talking about. You see how they’re trying to frame issues, and how they’re colluding with other jews to frame things to advance specifically jewish interests.

 

And yet, if you notice these things, if you scholarly document them and comment on them, you’re:

 

“A hater. You’re paranoid. You’re delusional. You’re a conspiracy theorist!”

 

It’s really amazing! I mean, to me, it’s so amazing that they’ve been able to do this for so long and to prevent any, you know, rational inquiry, any rational discussion of the jews and of their power and influence. It really blows my mind! I mean, to me it’s so ridiculous and just childish that we can’t even openly talk about these things.

 

Tanstaafl: Well first of all, it is a conspiracy. They do conspire for their own interests, as a group. So, it’s kind of a bad joke that they have created this term “conspiracy theory” and associated it with people being insane, for basically, ….

 

What it means, “conspiracy theory”, this is a term, if it wasn’t coined by Karl Popper it was popularized by him in a paper years ago. Karl Popper is a famous jew philosopher. He’s also the source of this “Open Society” thing that George Soros pushes today. But, Karl Popper talked about conspiracy theory and I think — he was speaking in pretty coded language — but basically it means:

 

“The goyim know! Shut it down!”

 

John Friend: Right!

 

Tanstaafl: You know, in contemporary terms.

 

John Friend: Right!

 

Tanstaafl: Conspiracy theory is is the term that jews use and they use it every day. This is another term I see popping up on the jew Twitter, every day, multiple times. Any time they think that the goyim are becoming aware of something. They call that a “conspiracy theory”, right!

 

Now, us “goyim” think of the term in more general terms. That it just means any kooky theory, any stupid, crazy, theory that, you know, maybe goes off into the weeds of the details of some obscure, you know, maybe even unimportant thing. That’s what the term means to us.

 

But, it means that because the jews have imparted that meaning to it by implying that anyone talking about the jews specifically, but anything that even hints at it, or touches on the jews is a, quote, unquote, “conspiracy theory”..

 

The word conspiracy, it’s a legal term, it actually has a legal meaning. But it has a more, you know, … The legal meaning is that you actually, like two, or more people are actually planning to do something illegal. Right. That’s a legal conspiracy.

 

But, the term in common parlance just means doing something untoward, something, you know, negative, something bad. And it’s more loose. It doesn’t have to necessarily be illegal. And, in fact, the jews have so much power that basically what they do is legal! They’re able to do what they do, most of it, anyway, legally.

 

And what they focus on today — they’ve got so much power — is making what we do, illegal! So that we can’t even speak about what they’re doing, without it being defined as “hate speech”, and criminalized.

 

John Friend: Right! Exactly! And I mean, you know, on Twitter, I’m sure you were banned, in part, because you were making factual statements and observations about jews, and their very openly anti-White agenda.

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah it was the words, “kikeservative”, “faggot” [laughing] “nigger”. You know, I used a couple of different slurs that I probably could have got my message across, while avoiding them.

 

Although “kikeservative” I think is, I would defend that term, because even though, you know, most people might recoil at it. It is actually very descriptive word of what’s what’s going on. It’s more descriptive than “cuckservative”, which I’m also happy to use. But it’s a little too broad.

 

You know, a lot of people use the term “cuckservative” and they really, I don’t think that they appreciate the analogy that’s being implied there. That, you know, the cuckoo bird and parasitism, basically, that we talked about last time. And to call it “kikeservative” to call somebody who is basically serving the jews, a “kikeservative” really puts a fine point on, you know, on the word “cuckservative”. Instead of just calling them a cuck, which means that any nonwhite they might be serving, you know, it’s putting the focus more on the main non-White power that is actually puppeteering most of the other non-Whites. And sharing their playbook with them.

 

[15:13]

 

John Friend: So, basically it’s a more precise analysis, a more precise definition of other cuckservatives, of these Republicans. And I mean, even, I guess, Democrats to a certain extent, literally selling out their own people to advance jewish interests.

 

And, of course, jews are behind all the other minority groups. They always organize them and, you know, fight for civil rights and all this other nonsense. That goes all the way back to the fifty’s and sixty’s they’ve been doing that. And we still see it today with illegal immigration, and transgenderism now, like homosexuality, …

 

Tanstaafl: “Black Live Matter” is a direct analogy. If you weren’t alive back during Civil Rights, you can see what’s happening with the Black Lives Matter thing. The kind of role that the jews play is to amplify and broadcast their message. And to put a positive spin on it. To put it out there, in front of people, in a sympathetic way.

 

If they don’t like something, like say, the Alt-Right, neo-Nazism or, you know, even just White Identity, they put it out there with a negative spin on it, and with obviously anti-pathetic attitudes, and psycho-pathologizing it, too.

 

You mentioned earlier, having to do with this, … Their tactics of how they deal with criticism. The main way they deal with criticism is to call it “crazy”! They call their enemies “crazy”! And they have specialized in this. I mean, Sigmund Freud is the first and most famous example, the most well known example that pops in the mind, but I’m sure it goes back further than Freud. And it’s certainly since Freud it has become the main tool.

 

I mentioned already Karl Popper in the “conspiracy theory” thing, but there’s a long history just in this past century of, for instance, the “Authoritarian Personality” from the Cultural Marxist, the Frankfurt School, Adorno, and company.

 

There’s the “Paranoid Style in American Politics” by Hofstetter who was half jew, a mischling. And then there’s the “Conspiracy Theory of Society” which was written by Popper.

 

And then, Cass Sunstein, more recently, wrote sort of an updated version of this conspiracy theory paper. Long piece, basically reiterating Popper’s point that, you know, when people come up with these theories about how certain small groups have too much control, and run the media, and run finances, you know, that’s what they mean when they say, “conspiracy theory”. And that is bad for the jews.

 

He doesn’t put it — neither one of them, Popper, or Sunstein — put it that plainly, but that’s what they’re talking about. And it really came to a point, …

 

John Friend: That sort of what it amounts to, …

 

Tanstaafl: At the end of Trump’s campaign.

 

When he had that infamous commercial. The jews really, drove them nuts! That last commercial he came out with, where he talks about the globalist elite and the globalist media and finance. And then put up at least three jews in the video. That’s why they were flipping out, because “that’s a conspiracy theory!” And you’re trafficking in anti-semitic tropes and conspiracy theories. It’s funny, they expose themselves, basically.

 

When somebody like Trump, who love the jews, or is a willing servant of the jews, a kikeservative in the true sense of the word. When they suspect that he is actually a secret anti-semite, that’s where it does come across that they are crazy! That they themselves are paranoid and crazy. And what they’re doing is projecting it on to us, when they call us crazy!

 

John Friend: Right.

 

Tanstaafl: It’s sick! It’s really sick!

 

John Friend: It is! And I mean, it’s so bad where now, and I mean, I guess this is been going on for a long time. I mean, literally they view any form of White racial consciousness as a delusional conspiracy. I don’t want to say “conspiracy theory”, but it’s “delusional, it’s irrational, it’s illegitimate”..

 

And yet they’d champion that, …

 

Tanstaafl: The jews are, …

 

John Friend: Right! But they’d champion that in everyone else, especially themselves, right? I mean, jews are very ethnocentric and very aware of their jewish identity, and are very proud of it. Which, I mean, is fine by me, but when they turn around and say anybody who’s White who does the same thing is crazy, and is hateful, and is a bigot. I mean, again, it’s just completely ridiculous!

 

[19:53]

 

Tanstaafl: Well, it’s not ridiculous! It’s actually an attack. And that’s how it should be interpreted, as an offensive against Whites.

 

And that’s kind of the main point that I’ve been harping on for years now, but especially in this past year. The jew war on Whites!

 

And so many people kind of water it down, or see it in less extreme terms. But it isn’t really extreme, it’s just the honest, it’s the most honest way to describe what’s going on.

 

The jews are at war with Whites! Are warring upon Whites! Are aggressing against Whites! Are hostile to Whites! Are landing all of these blows against Whites!

 

And Whites are unwilling, unable, to respond!

 

The ones that do respond, respond violently. You know, a trickle of them. And then, what happens? You know, a lot of White people get up and say:

 

“Oh that’s horrible! Violence isn’t the answer!”

 

And something that, it really bugs me because the, … And I see it changing, so there’s hope that this is shifting now. Attitudes in the last two years, and partly because of Trump, and partly it was happening anyway, there is been a surge in “White consciousness”. Of White people waking up to the reality, as Richard Spencer puts it, that race is real, and race matters!

 

You know, I’ve been saying that stuff for years, but now a lot of people are starting to realize that that’s true! And that is the first step, is just having that basic, … When you say, you know, “racial consciousness”, there’s, I think of it, there’s two, they’re not separate, but they’re like different ends of the spectrum, … The first and most basic consciousness is just knowing that race is real, knowing that you have a race, a group, a larger group that you belong to. And there’s nothing you can really do about it, you’re part of that group, you’re born into it.

 

And feeling, you know, aware of that, on a day to day basis.

 

So, when you see people on television and they’re talking about something your first thought is:

 

“Well what is that person? Are they part of my group, or are they not part of my group?”

 

And jews – this is important – because, maybe we’ll get into this a bit later too, the way that jews posture and pretend to be White. And they feed us poison that way.

 

That’s how you can stop that from happening is by paying attention to who is saying what. And recognizing that this person I think I can trust them, they look like a member of my own group. And, you know what they’re saying makes sense to me. Versus this Krauthammer asshole! You know, I don’t like what he’s saying and he’s telling us, talking about going to war in the Middle East., you know, that doesn’t make any sense to me.

 

And when you start to understand who the jews are, and what’s been going on, and see it as a war, then you understand. Well, yeah, these jews are they are not us! And they see us as their main enemy!

 

John Friend: Right. They’re not us, and they openly say this and they’re openly hostile to our interests. And this is been made clear almost every single day! I mean, it’s very clear if you’re just paying attention.

 

And I’m glad you brought that up, this jewish war on Whites, this jewish war on Western civilization, and this White genocide agenda. That is what the jews promote, is White genocide!

 

Tanstaafl: White genocide agenda.

 

John Friend: And yeah, I mean, that is ultimately what it’s all about.

 

And I wanted to ask you, if you could maybe just summarize the “jewish problem” in a nutshell. And I mean, I guess that would probably be your answer [laughing]. If it’s not really a “jewish problem”, it is a “jewish war” on White people! And needs to be understood, in those explicit terms. Because that is what it is!

 

Tanstaafl: Yes, the “jewish problem” from a White point of view, is the problem that jews cause for Whites. And in the past it didn’t seem like it was so serious. It was like discomfort. It was that the jews cause problems. Maybe they cause some wars.

 

Well today, it’s pretty obvious that it’s an existential threat! That they are not going to be happy until Whites don’t exist anymore. They changed their attitudes round about the middle of last century, with the rise of the National Socialist regime. And they were fully exposed and that scared the shit out of them! And they changed tactics.

 

And now the agenda is to get rid of us, entirely.

 

And, you know, whereas before they were happy to just feed on us and they really maybe only had the power to feed on us in the past. But now, they’re they’ve actually got the upper hand with the media control that they have, the financial control they have. And all of these kikeservatives willing to do their bidding for them. That think they’re on the winning team.

 

[24:49]

 

We’re on our backs and they’ve got their feet on our throats and they don’t, … Unlike Whites who foolishly feel sympathy for defeated enemies and let them up and help them out, jews don’t do that. Jews like to brag about how they’ve exterminated all of the people that they’ve ever come up against in their history.

 

You know, they describe themselves as victims of these people. That’s how they see themselves, and that’s how they justify offing this long list of civilizations that they’ve parasitized in the past.

 

But we are just the most recent one to them and they won’t think twice about just offing us! It doesn’t bother them in the slightest.

 

John Friend: Well, I think, if you if you look back, you know, the past hundred years, or so, jews, especially organized jewish community, and groups like the ADL, for example, the World jewish Congress, they are driven fundamentally by a desire to prevent any sort of White revolution, any sort of national socialist, you know, takeover of society. They’re trying to prevent what happened in Germany from happening anywhere else. And obviously they’ve been very effective all over the Western world.

 

And I think, I mean, I think that is really what drives them because, you know, the jews always had a lot of power and influence in Western society, you know, going back, I mean, really all throughout time. But now, as you said, they’re at a point where they literally control our societies in virtually every respect.

 

And Hitler’s Germany was a solution to that problem. I mean, they openly talked about these things. They were articulating them publicly. Your average German probably knew about these issues, and could explain it. And that’s what they fear!

 

Tanstaafl: Yes. Yeah, it was the first time that European man really, on a large scale, was aware of the jews, of the true nature of the jews. Saw them for what they are, and organized at a governmental scale against them! In self defense against the jews.

 

And ultimately it failed, because not enough other people outside of Germany were able to accept what the Germans had come to accept themselves, and were trying to make other people understand.

 

As you mention, the ADL and other jewish organizations, … The jews organize compulsively, and they communicate. They have meetings, you know, every day of the year! There is some jewish organization meeting, conspiring, to increase their control, increase their power. And not only in a positive way for themselves.

 

What a big part of what they do, especially organizations like the SPLC, the ADL, is they focus on suppressing our communication. This thing that Twitter did, not just, you know, I wasn’t the only one deleted, there were a whole bunch of people and accounts shut down. And there were many before that, but there was a big spate of them right after the election.

 

That was, no doubt, due to the puppeteering of the ADL. The ADL had several months earlier, insinuated themselves into the process of defining what should and shouldn’t be allowed and they finally, you know, dropped the hammer on that day, most of that week, when a bunch of people were kicked off.

 

So, you know, that’s the purpose of that particular organization is to sniff out anyone who is talking, any White people who are talking amongst themselves, and shut it down!

 

John Friend: Right. Yeah, exactly! And I’ve been following the Daily Stormer, they’ve been, [Andrew] Anglin has been covering this issue pretty well. And I mean, he’s been stripped from, what I understand, he’s pretty much banned as a person from even using Twitter.

 

But yeah, this is out in the open. There are clearly organizing to shut it down, as you said.

 

Do you think, I mean, what are your thoughts, like long term? Do you think that this is something that, I mean, are they going to be able to shut everyone down, you know what I mean? There’s a lot of people using Twitter and getting this message out. I mean, how far are they going to take this, do you think?

 

Tanstaafl: It will go farther. It’s been called, “the shuttening” this, not just Twitter, but the general idea. I kind of like the term, “the shuttening”, because it refers to the jew tendency to shut it down.

 

Facebook has always been like this. That’s why I didn’t, that is why I never bothered to even sign up for Facebook, because I knew that, Facebook doesn’t tolerate, doesn’t even, you know, maybe it makes some gestures about tolerating free speech and all that.

 

But Twitter made sort of a name for itself, early on, by being the free speech platform and that’s why I thought – it was still a risk – to invest any time in posting anything there. But, after the first few months when I saw that they weren’t banning people Left and Right, I kind of, you know, got comfortable there.

 

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And what we see is that, you know, that stuff can change. And that’s exactly what the jews agitate for and organizing and pressure people politically, behind the scenes, to shut these things down.

 

It’s going to get worse! What, the next step, I mean, besides other social media stuff like Gab that’s cropping up, you know, they’ll eventually come under the gun of the ADL and other jewish organizations. And they’ll probably cave as well, if they aren’t already a jewish organization, you know, anyway. Basically providing the Jews with information on all the people using their service.

 

All of these services will eventually get shut down.

 

And the next step beyond that, that I can foresee happening too, is that they’ll just remove the DNS entries. They may not be able to, it’s not cost effective for them to try and go to every ISP and get sites like mine, or yours removed. They have done that in the past, but it’s expensive, and it’s time consuming. And there are certain services that won’t delete the stuff. They won’t give in to the threats. So, the way they’ll they’ll deal with that is just by convincing the government, or whoever is controlling that the DNS system, to delist those sites, so they won’t be convenient to get to.

 

And so, you’ll have people sharing around the names and IP addresses of certain favorite sites and giving the technical details:

 

“Here’s how you get there.”

 

But it will drop dramatically reduce the ease of which people can get to our ideas. That won’t be a totally a bad thing because, you know, the harder they try to shut us down, the more obvious they make it, the more they expose themselves, expose their power, and expose how illegitimate their power is. That they pretend to be victims and they’re going around, there’s that famous saying:

 

“The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you!”

 

That is an eye-opening thing, when people who have been hearing about how criticism of jews is just crazy, for all their lives., actually, see jews behaving like wild animals, savaging people who are just mild mannered, and saying, you know, polite things, like Richard Spencer, they have something [that] snaps in their mind and they realize:

 

“Hey, wait a minute! Maybe the people who have been saying these things aren’t crazy?”

 

I know it happened for me, years ago. And over the last two years I’ve seen more and more testimonies from people in interviews, or just chatting online, where these are people who self professed a year ago:

 

“I was a liberal, a shitlib.”

 

Or whatever:

 

“I was just a normie!”

 

And in the course of being exposed basically to jewish shenanigans, they realize:

 

“This isn’t a joke! This is real! The jews really are in power. And they really are nasty!”

 

John Friend: Exactly! Yeah. Well, that’s really the big story of this past election season. Is just how clear this is all becoming. And, I mean, we’re seeing the media become discredited on a mass scale, which is huge. I mean, that to me has been the number one weapon that the jews have used to wage war against us. It’s largely been psychological.

 

I mean, they literally brainwash us with false history and pseudo science. You mentioned Freud and all these other con artists. And I mean, that’s really to me how they’ve been so successful, is controlling the narrative and weaponizing history and weaponizing our political discourse.

 

But this is all coming out in the open now. And it’s all being made clear. You mentioned the Trump campaign video where he doesn’t even mention the word “jew”! In the speech he made down in West Palm Beach Florida, where he was railing against, you know, the global interests, … Again, you know, he could have named the jew and it would have been a lot more accurate. But he didn’t even have to.

 

And the very next day, or even that night, you know, all these jews on Twitter, the ADL, they’re condemning this speech as, you know, trafficking in, quote, unquote, “anti-Semitic conspiracy theories” and all this other nonsense.

 

So I mean, these people are outing themselves! And to me, I don’t know how people can notice this. I mean, people are obviously noticing it, but it’s just they just can’t help themselves! I mean, these jews are just so delusional. They just cannot help themselves!

 

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Tanstaafl: Yeah, to a certain extent they can’t help themselves. It’s their nature to screech when they sense that they are being attacked. And they are hyper sensitive!

 

That’s why it’s hard for me to accept that jews are just innocently going along with somebody else’s agenda, that this isn’t a jewish agenda that’s killing Whites as a race. It’s impossible to believe, because the jews are so hyper sensitive to race and to what is good for survival of a group and what is bad. And they make sure that for their own group they have policies that preserve their group and that they push the opposite for us.

 

But you mention the narrative. And the jews, … I’ve pointed out before, the jews are sort of born storytellers, you know, from the Bible, which I think I mentioned in, “The Great Jewish Mask”. That book from about a hundred years ago. The jews are have been storytellers, their whole history. To the point where, the very history that they tell is a big lie, all the way back!

 

And today’s Hollywood. And White people in America, and globally too, I think, you know, they kind of understand this. They don’t like Hollywood. I mean, they may go to those movies and they may be thrilled by those things, but they also are kind of put off by it. It’s sort of like chewing on a poisoned Twinkie! It’s like, it tastes good, but it also, you feel sick to your stomach afterwards!

 

And that’s the kind of feeling that White people get when they look at the jewish media.

 

And Trump didn’t create that distrust, he just sort of exposed it. And he tapped into it. He saw, he’s very perceptive in sensing what it is that, … Well, first of all, that White people weren’t being pandered to,  weren’t being served by previous candidates. And that’s the path, basically, that was the key to his electoral strategy, and the key to his victory ultimately was to tap into that by talking about White issues. What the Leftists call “dog whistling”. And it just means speaking in code. When politicians speak in code to get White votes.

 

I’ve made the point before, that if a politician has to speak in code, that’s kind of a disadvantage, you know, because Trump is a good example. He spoke explicitly to blacks about what he was going to do for blacks! And he said, you know, I’m going to basically poor lots of money and lots of attention on the inner city, you know, talking directly to blacks.

 

And similarly to Hispanics, and Latinos, and to jews! He spoke explicitly about how well he was going to serve them and their interests!

 

And he did not speak, at all, during the campaign, he never said the word, “White” that I’m aware of and never in a positive context like:

 

“I love White people! I’m a White person and I’m going to make sure that White people are well served by my administration.”

 

But he did speak about jobs. I think in the past, it was called, “Nixon’s Southern Strategy”.

 

This time around they’re going to start to call it, I think, “Trump’s Rustbelt Strategy”, because he did, basically the same thing. He talked to Whites, indirectly, but still in a language that they understood. That:

 

“Hey this guy gets it. He’s going to do things and have policies that address our concerns. This country is changing. We don’t like the new normal.”

 

But my point is, my overall point is that, I think most White people just they don’t see the jews, they don’t understand the jews as a threat. They think that’s crazy! They, I mean, they’ve heard people say it, but they think that is discredited idea, it’s a conspiracy theory, it’s not true! And it’s largely, because that’s what the jews say! The jews have control over the media, they pump out that message twenty four seven, that it’s crazy to think anything bad about the jews:

 

“Only stupid people do that!”

 

And they present alternatives. They:

 

“Here, blame these people instead! Blame White people! It’s really White privilege! It’s not that the jews are too privileged. It’s White privilege!”

 

And so, it’s a mix of techniques that they use. But it’s also easy to understand, once the scales fall from your eyes and you stop thinking of the jews as these innocent, this innocent powerless minority, and start to see them for what they really are.

 

Then it all makes sense! Things that in the past you might have thought that:

 

“It’s odd, like the poison Twinky thing, but I don’t really understand why? Why would Hollywood serve up poisoned Twinkies?”

 

It’s:

 

“Why do they do that?”

 

Well, once you realize Hollywood is controlled by jews, it was created by jews, and they manipulate your thoughts. They actually define what is good and what is bad, just as they have ever since the Bible, it all make sense.

 

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John Friend: Right! You know and isn’t it just so sad that Trump, you know how many times had it has he been called a racist and a bigot? And, you know, he’s promoting hatred and all this other nonsense. And yet as you said, he never, and to my knowledge as well, he never once, you know, said:

 

“I’m White.”

 

Or said:

 

“I’m championing White interests!”

 

He never once explicitly said that.

 

Although, I agree, I think he did use some, you know, coded language that, you know, people kind of read between the lines. And yet he’s openly saying how he’s going to do this for the black community. He’s going to help the Mexicans. He’s going to help the immigrants. I mean, it’s just so sad!

 

This is a country founded and built by White people! And we can’t even talk about that! We can’t even talk about White interests. Thanks to the jews! Thanks to the jews’ control of the narrative!

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah. Well, they’re the ones who created this environment and, as I like to say, “anti-racism” is a jew construct! It serves their interests, and they were the ones who promoted the idea that race is just a “social construct”, and racists are the worst people on the planet! You know, blame the “racists” for all the problems!

 

And, anyway, “racist” is really just a euphemism for “Whites” anyway. When you hear somebody call somebody a racist, the best way to understand that, is to call him a White person!

 

And it’s similar during this election, the jews in the jews media were using the word, the term, “Trump supporter”, in that way. “Trump supporter” and with venom, you know, means White person!

 

John Friend: Yeah, exactly!

 

Tanstaafl: That’s why they hated Trump! And that’s why they hated Trump supporters, because they were White! Not, you know, they never talked about black, or non-White supporters of Trump, except maybe in terms of racial treason, you know, that they were betraying their own kind by siding with Trump and the evil racists!

 

John Friend: Well, going back to, you know, we are talking about Hitler and National Socialist Germany, and how the jews just absolutely fear that sort of movement coming to power ever again. They viewed these rallies, with thousands of White people chanting and cheering for Donald Trump. This is what they saw! They saw National Socialism all over again!

 

Tanstaafl: Although they made a video, that was really good, early on, and intended it to discredit Trump by comparing, side by side, snippets of Trump speeches and then snippets of Hitler speeches. And they went back and forth between the two, drawing these parallels. This was maybe in January of last year, earlier this year. And it flopped!

 

Because, what happened, the reaction was, for most of these Trump supporters, was:

 

“Hey! I agree with what Trump is saying. And I didn’t know that Hitler said these things too! Maybe this guy Hitler isn’t such bad guy?”

 

John Friend: Right! [John laughing]

 

Tanstaafl: They yanked that commercial right away! And it’s true that there are parallels! It’s because you cannot oppose the jewish agenda, in any way, without upsetting the jews!

 

And whether you recognize it is a jewish agenda, or not, whether you call it a jewish agenda and are conscious of it, or not, the jews know it’s a jewish agenda! And that’s why they go berserk!

 

John Friend: Yeah.

 

Well, I want to talk about Trump in the Alt-Right, and sort of what’s happened really over the course of the past year.

 

To start off, I mean, do you think, … Trump has to be, he has to be aware of the Alt-Right? I mean, he obviously is, he gets asked about it all the time. But I mean, do you think that he’s following what’s going on? Do you think he’s wise to some of these issues at all?

 

Tanstaafl: In the sense that any politician is, I think, it was Joe Sobran said many years ago, that in order to even survive at the highest levels of government and media in this country, you have to be aware of the jews! Because you have to have some sense of what you’re allowed to say and what you’re not allowed to say.

 

And so, you know, every couple of months there is some celebrity, or another, I can’t remember his name now. Gary Oldman in Hollywood, who said something in a Playboy interview about how rotten the world is getting to be. And then he switched right immediately to how the jews control Hollywood and [laughing] making sort of the indirect connection, that the world is so terrible, because these jews are putting out a terrible vision of the world! And he got slapped down right away!

 

And that’s basically how the jews make sure that everybody knows who controls, not just Hollywood, of course, and if you want to work in the media you’ve got to make sure you don’t ever say anything like that about jews. You don’t talk about jewish power.

 

But also in the government. Can’t think of a, … Well the “Hagelocaust”, and the “Bannonocaust”, are good examples of them doing something similar in government, where they actually trumpet the fact that there are jews there.:

 

“We’re jews! And we’re upset about, ..! We’re offended by this, and this guy is disqualified! Because jews!”

 

You know, they make it so explicit! It’s like it’s as if they have veto power! An unwritten line in the Constitution that says:

 

“The jews have actually the first veto over any nominee!”

 

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John Friend: They have effectively have though! They’ve basically been able to get away with whatever they want, for so long!

 

Tanstaafl: Well, in the end Hagel and Bannon are examples of where they screech very loudly and they didn’t get what they want in the end. But then again the guy that they were screeching about, they were totally exaggerating. You know, they were making it out like this was the next Hitler. Trump is another good example of this. Where, you know, he’s not.

 

None of these guys are willing to stand up against the jews. Now maybe the jews suspect that they would be, if other people also stood up at the same time. And in a way it’s a sort of shit test. Besides, you know, the “Saul Alinsky” effect of, you know, focusing on one enemy at a time and vaporizing them. And letting that be a lesson to everybody else.

 

It’s a shit test! It’s to basically flush out any resistance:

 

“Any other takers? Anybody else want some of this?”

 

That’s the kind of attitude that, I don’t know if they have it consciously, but that’s what’s the challenge to everybody else around when they see somebody being savaged in public.

 

Another one was that I wrote about was Tom Perkins, that billionaire. Who couple years ago made some comment about the one percent that the Occupy Wall Street rhetoric against the one percent. [It] reminded him of the jews and Kristallnacht. And how the one percent might be genocided!

 

And a bunch of jews made it clear to him, that being rich is not anything to be worried about. You know, it’s really, you know, that’s a special jewish term of warfare, as you mentioned “weaponized terms”. You know, “Kristallnacht” is one of those proprietary jewish weaponized terms that only jews are allowed to use. And only for the purposes of advancing jewish interests.

 

And so, Tom Perkins is only a mere billionaire! And so, he was shut down right away.

 

John Friend: Yeah, and we see this when, you know, people invoke the Holocaust, you know, for the wrong reasons and the jews get all upset and say:

 

“No you can’t do that! It’s only for us!”

 

Tanstaafl: Yes!

 

John Friend: You know, I mean, there’s other examples as well. But again, I mean, it’s just their control, their power, their influence is largely, … And the way they’re able to frame things, the way they’re able to control the narrative, control the discourse. And I think that is, you know, sort of breaking down and being eroded slowly. And it’s been spent taking place over time.

 

But, I think this election and to what Trump has done, has really been a huge boost to that.

 

And you had sent me an e-mail with some links here and I want to go over one of them, in particular. The Real Clear Politics, where Kellyanne Conway, and I think it was Clinton’s campaign manager. They were having like a discussion after the election.

 

And the Clinton campaign was saying, and they were saying this all throughout the campaign, that Trump is, you know, “mainstreaming”, quote, unquote, “hatred”! And we saw all sorts of jewish journalists talking about how Trump was, “mainstreaming anti-Semitism”..

 

There’s a quite revealing article published by Yair Rosenberg, who is one of these jews on Twitter that was going nuts when they had the “echo meme” going on.

 

Tanstaafl: Yes.

 

Tanstaafl: No.

 

John Friend: I think it was really the Alt-Right, who sort of seized the moment, seized the opportunity. Guys like, to his credit, Andrew Anglin, and the guys at “The Right Stuff dot business”. You know, other people on Twitter and whatnot. [They] really just seized this opportunity and seized the moment, to get their voices out there, to get their message out there. And I think it’s been very effective!

 

And, I mean, that’s what this whole argument was about! Was:

 

“Look, the Trump campaign is giving a platform to the Alt-Right. It’s giving a platform to, quote, unquote, ‘White supremacists’!”

 

And I think that is true to a certain extent, although I don’t think that is the goal of the Trump campaign, at least not obviously, not explicitly.

 

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Tanstaafl: No. I think Trump, and I’ve said this before, it was my earlier assessment of him and it still holds. I think he just wanted to be president. He had that ambition for decades and he finally fulfilled it. And he basically promised to himself, I think mainly, that it would be no holds barred. That he would do whatever he needed to do to get it done.

 

And there’s a story about that with Jared Kushner, and, you know, the Electoral College, and basically what I call the “Rust Belt Strategy”. Where, you know, in order to become President, he needed to say these things to White people, to appeal to White people and get their votes, and get the Electoral College votes that he would need to win. To overcome the non-White votes in other States.

 

Other people talked about that, but there hasn’t been much emphasis put on the fact that it was Jared Kushner that actually kind of organized that effort, or at least lead it, and headed it up. That was in that Forbes interview, or the Forbes article about him.

 

John Friend: Right. Now, a question for you. So, I mean, obviously it was a very successful campaign strategy to play on these issues. But do you think that Trump was genuine? Because, to me he seems very genuine about all of these issues!

 

Tanstaafl: He genuinely wants to be President, to the point where he will put up with all the shit! He’s, as he said many times at his rallies:

 

“You know, I didn’t have to do this! I could have lived a comfortable life!”

 

It really was a grueling thing! You know, I watched, night after night of him doing these rallies, and I just thought:

 

“God! He’s much older than I am!”

 

John Friend: He’s seventy, I think he seventy years old!

 

Tanstaafl: He’s a dynamo! I mean, you’ve got to give him credit for just being an incredible work horse!

 

And he put up with all that stuff. I think he went into it knowing that it was going to be bad, but I don’t think he appreciated how bad it was going to be.

 

He also basically called out the media early on, and especially toward the end, as the enemy and really played on that. Although that was part of his appealing to White people.

 

What I wanted to say, was, that I’ve kind of left unsaid here all along, is that Whites are desperate for a leader to say positive things! To give them a positive vision for the future! To the point where even the kind of lukewarm stuff that Trump served up.

 

You know, the jews painted it as the next holocaust, but it was really, it’s stuff that in Reagan times, in the 80’s, this was just what the norm was!:

 

“You have a country. You have borders. You have laws against people coming in your country illegally. And you have elected officials that are at least ostensibly supposed to be out for the best interests of that country, and it’s citizens.”

 

That was the understanding in the 80’s. And before that, it was even better.

 

You know, National Socialist Germany, it was a racial understanding of nationhood.

 

But even in the 80’s we still had the tatters of a countryhood and a civic nationalism.

 

Well, Trump is just, you know, basically resetting by about twenty years, the attitude about nationalism. And that is too much for the jews! But, White people have this instinct and this desire to have somebody speaking for them and that’s why they gravitated to Trump, that’s why they were attracted and put signs in the yards and went to all his rallies.

 

That’s why it was so easy to see that Trump could win if he was going to continue to speak to Whites the way he was. And not give in to the jews media’s pressure to geld himself, to reign himself in, to stop saying these politically incorrect things, that he would win! And he did win!

 

And my fear, my greatest fear has always been, not whether Trump would win, or not, it’s been, you know what is he going to do once he’s in?

 

And I think the most likely thing – it’s kind of a black pill, or negative thing – but I think he’s going to go along with the shuttening that I was talking about earlier. I think he’s going to be, maybe even critical to, … He’ll be the proud signer of Bills illegalizing in hate speech, illegalizing criticism of jews and Israel. Because that’s kind of who he is.

 

I mean, he’s prided himself, and I think a lot of the reason he was able to take all this withering criticism, that he’s a horrible anti-Semite, a racist, a bigot, is he knows in his heart that he isn’t! At least that’s how he sees himself, that:

 

“No! I don’t judge people on the color of their skin. I don’t do these things!”

 

So, you know, it rolls off his back when they say these things about him, because in his own mind, he’s comfortable with who he is.

 

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John Friend: Right. Yeah! Gosh! I really hope Trump, doesn’t go along with that whole agenda! I mean, it would be totally contrary to, you know, pretty much everything he said, especially as it relates to political correctness.

 

But I mean, who knows? We’re just going to have to wait and see. I think that’s the main thing, is we really, …

 

Tanstaafl: I think we’ve seen already! He’s a lifelong kikeservative! He’s, for his whole life, and he brags about this, you know. He’s basically in bed with the jews! His family is intermarried with them, and, you know, there’s not much he can do about that at this point, except go along with them.

 

And so, when they come to him at some point in his first term and say:

 

“We’ve got to have this legislation against hate speech. It’s crazy out there for jews. And don’t you care about the jews?”

 

And that’s part of why the jews screech so much about things like Bannon, about how horrible an anti-Semite Trump is, in order to influence him to do the opposite. To prove that he’s not a racist! To prove that he’s not an anti-semite! And so that, he will do things, like sign legislation that favors them.

 

John Friend: Yeah, … That would not be good! [laughing] I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens. But I mean, like, for example, with immigration. I mean, do you think he genuinely means everything he said?

 

Tanstaafl: Yes.

 

John Friend: Yeah, that’s that is the thing! I think, to me he, I mean, you know, I’ve sort of explained this in previous podcast and what not, but I mean, … I think that everything that he said, all of his campaign promises all of the main issues that he ran on, I think that he really does mean these things, and he really does feel this way about immigration, for example. About trade. About, you know, political correctness run amuck, and all this other stuff. And he was basically, to me, it almost seems like he was surprised at how far he got, right?

 

Like, I don’t think he went into this thinking that he would be this successful. And I think at the very beginning when he announced that he was running and he gained all this traction and gained all this popularity. To me, it was almost as if he wasn’t expecting that, he wasn’t prepared for it.

 

Tanstaafl: No! I don’t agree with that, I think that he was!

 

I think he knew it would be a long slog. And he went into it just confident in his own ability to do it. And his willingness, basically like I said, to pull no punches and to do whatever he needed to do to get the job done.

 

And I think that mainly, if he had any doubt about it, it was only, because that’s basically the effect of the media. The media was constantly saying, right up until the end, how he was losing in the polls, how, you know, it was like every week this:

 

“He just did this! And that’s a deadly gaffe! He can’t be president, now!”

 

And they did that for a year and a half! And every day they were constantly telling people in all the polls, … You know, they totally discredited themselves.

 

And then, of course, right after the election happens, there was a little brief interlude of shock and silence. And then they immediately started going back to the polls.:

 

“The polls say this! The polls say that!”

 

And, you know, it’s the same lying media quoting the same skewed polls.

 

That is also something even Hitler noticed, and wrote about in Mein Kampf. You know, how you can argue with a jew one day and just totally squash him, and then the next day he come back and the jew’s making the same arguments again, as if it never happened.

 

John Friend: Right. Well, you know, you had mentioned this about Trump. That the amazing thing is that really everything that he’s saying is, I mean, it’s really not even that controversial at all, right? I mean, he’s basically making just common sense arguments when it comes immigration, when it comes to trade. But our society has gone so far downhill that these things are very radical all of of sudden, especially to the elites running our society.

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah, …

 

John Friend: When really nothing he’s saying is that, is really that revolutionary, or that radical, even at all.

 

Tanstaafl: Well, it’s radical in, … The main sense it’s radical is that he’s talking in terms that White people like. And even the jews media basically puts it that way:

 

“You know, the KKK endorses him! KKK loves what Trump just said!”

 

Or, you know:

 

“The Nazis loved, ….”

 

And that’s their measurements of whether something is good, or bad, is if racially conscious White people like what they’re hearing from Trump, that’s bad! I mean, it goes back to basically to what I think is the core moral understanding of this current jew run regime.

 

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It’s an anti-White, pro-jew regime, first of all, at heart! And the basic morality of it is:

 

“Whites are bad! Whites are evil! And non-Whites, with jews being the first and foremost of the non-Whites, are good!”

 

And that’s the sort of skeleton key by which you understand everything else that is happening.

 

So, when Trump ran on, you know, right from the get go, talking about immigration in a negative way, that was a no-no! That’s, you know, been banished! They thought they had basically done away with that! It was to the point, …

 

The big surprise at this election, because Trump won the Electoral College the way he did by going after White voters in the middle of the country. It surprised them, because they thought they had basically sewn that up. They had made that illegal to talk about, if not technically illegal, they had made it politically incorrect, you know, “semitically incorrect” really, to even discuss anything that White voters wanted to hear.

 

And polling was used in the years between the elections to basically downplay any concern about immigration, or jobs, or anything like that.

 

And they tried to do that through the election and basically, I think, Whites were just too fed up. They liked what they were hearing from Trump and so they voted for Trump, and now he’s in.

 

But there are some contradictions in what Trump says. I mean, listen to what he says about war, about ISIS and war. He’s against Iraq. He basically says things to different groups of people that can be heard in whatever way you want, that you like. And war is a good example of this where, you know, he was famously against the Iraq war and part of the way he defeated Jeb Bush during the primaries was by pointing out that the Iraq war was a disaster, and Jeb’s brother was responsible for that disaster.

 

You know, that’s one thing there is, of course, Trump didn’t mention the jews, who had basically organized and pushed for that war, and are the real people who are responsible for that.

 

But, you know, he also then makes these saber rattling comments about ISIS!:

 

“We’re going to destroy ISIS! And we’re going to build the biggest military! We’ve got to be a rich country!”

 

He was just saying today:

 

“We’re got to be a rich country again, because we’ve got to basically build up our military and pay for all these veterans!”

 

And that’s kind of at odds with, I guess it goes, it echoes Reagan again. You know, that’s the idea that you’ve got to be strong and warlike, ready to do war in order to prevent war.

 

And I think that’s poppycock! It’s basically, you know, the history of war at least amongst Europeans, for the last two, three hundred years, what you could see as one giant European civil war, fighting amongst ourselves, has been at the behest of jews! And certainly profited by the jews, and the White race has lost!

 

I have said before that the White race lost World War Two and the jews won. But it’s bigger than World War Two. It’s every war before that, at least back to the French Revolution and probably beyond. And every war since World War Two has been for jewish, globalist, corporatist, interests, if not directly for Israel, and attacking Israel’s neighbors.

 

John Friend: Yeah. I totally agree with you.

 

Tanstaafl: In that respect [garbled]… For Trump. And he’s put now this Mad Dog Mattis and Pompeo …?

 

John Friend: Oh yeah. I know who you are talking about. The guy, that’s the guy that’s going to be running the CIA? It’s like Pompeo, or something like that?

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah. Now these guys are “tough guys”, you know, they’re, … And oh, it’s Flynn, is the other one, that he’s going to make part of his administration, in some capacity.

 

And, you know, the problem is that they’re strident. They think Muslims are the problem, and Muslims are a problem. But they wouldn’t be a problem if you kept them out of our country. And we don’t need to go and put boots on the ground all around the world to fight Muslims! The only reason we do that stuff is, because jews run our government. Jews are the targeting system for this highly capable, highly technical, highly expensive, military that the US has.

 

White Americans often slip into this:

 

“Our military, our government!”

 

Way of speaking, of thinking about things. And it isn’t really true. It’s not ours! I mean, it’s us filling the ranks, it’s White people in the military giving their lives, doing the dirty work. But it’s really jews in the Pentagon and at the highest levels of government advising Presidents on these wars and instigating these wars.

 

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John Friend: Yeah. Advising them, formulating the policy, crafting the narrative. All explicitly to advance jewish interests and to advance Zionist interests in the Middle East! There’s no doubt about that.

 

Well I agree with you. I mean pretty much everything you just said I totally agree with.

 

I mean with Trump, I want to believe that he’s going to be this great President. And do all these great things and really get us back on the Right track. But I understand your concerns. I hope you’re wrong about the whole, you know, free speech thing I mean. Oh my gosh! I would that would just be devastating!

 

Tanstaafl: I would really like to be pleasantly surprised. That’s why I’m kind of pessimistic about it. But I’m also, you know, there’s precedent for this. This is is not the uncharted territory that everybody seems to like to think it is.

 

Ronald Reagan is a pretty good precedent for what Trump has done and what Trump and what we can expect from Trump. This is something that White politicians, this dog whistling thing, is something that they’ve been doing for decades.

 

Ever since World War Two when White leaders basically abandon the field and stopped thinking and talking in terms of race, at least explicitly, they have realized that they can win White votes by just sort of talking code to Whites. Saying what Whites want to hear and that Whites are pretty desperate for because we have nobody since, maybe McGovern. And even George McGovern wasn’t, … Was it McGovern? I can’t recall it. But back in the sixty’s, you know.

 

John Friend: George Wallace?

 

Tanstaafl: Right. And George Wallace wasn’t even sincere about it. He was just doing it. He was willing to say it out loud. Whereas other politicians around him weren’t even willing to say it out loud. But Wallace, afterwards – I forget where I read about this – basically admitted he wasn’t sincere.

 

And I know Trump isn’t sincere. He’s not a sincere racist. He doesn’t think in racial terms. He just thinks in “anti-racist” term. So I don’t have much optimism.

 

John Friend: Well, what do you think about the Alt-Right and sort of what’s been happening on that front? I mean to me, ultimately until we’re talking about the jews and recognizing them as a racial enemy, until we’re thinking in racial terms, we’re really never going to truly solve any of these problems.

 

And I think the Alt-Right has been effective in at least getting that message out, and getting more people on board with these ideas.

 

So I think clearly that’s where the change is going to come. It’s not going to come from Trump, it’s going to come from people like us who are willing to talk about these things.

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah it’s bigger than the Alt-Right basically. The jews media before they were attacking the Alt-Right, they attacked White people generally. And I made the point early in Trump’s campaign that basically their rhetoric, their anti-White rhetoric would have been the same even if Jeb Bush had won the nomination and was the candidate for the Republicans.

 

They’ve been doing it for at least the 2008, 2012 cycles. Jews writing editorials about how the Republican Party is the “White party”, and they should be ashamed of that. And they should do something to reach out to minorities. They’ve been doing it for a long time now. So that’s nothing new.

 

What’s new is the Alt-Right. And this basically self identification. It’s a label basically for this rising awareness that, ….

 

I made the analogy when I was talking to Kyle Hunt about this that it reminded me of the Tea Party. It’s basically the Tea Party 2.0. But it is an improved version. It’s a more aware version.

 

I saw the Tea Party when it was happening, when it rose up in 2008, 2009 in the wake of the election of Obama, as a step towards racial consciousness. Although it was still full of all of these people that were saying:

 

“Oh no! I’m not a racist! Look at this black guy that I respect and want to hear speak. I’m just for constitutionalism and low taxes.”

 

But it was a rebellion of sorts. And it was triggered by the election of Obama. And throughout the last eight years it’s sort of been co-opted and defanged, and the energy has dissipated.

 

The Alt-Right was sort of a return. And this time with a more explicit understanding that the problem, the conflict is racial! And that at the heart of it are the jews!

 

And the people that see that most clearly are even beyond Alt-Right. But, the people who self identify as Alt-Right at the best part of it, at least get that it’s race. And you can’t avoid the jewish question, the jewish problem. Beyond that is, you know, National Socialism and a true understanding that’s beyond Alt-Right.

 

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But then they have this Alt-Light phenomenon the other end of the spectrum, of people who are just ordinary White people who are basically realizing something’s wrong here:

 

“This Trayvon Martin stuff, this Mike brown stuff, Black Lives Matter. Muslims blowing themselves up every now and then, killing lots of Europeans, or Americans. Something’s wrong! And oh, by the way, you know, all our jobs are gone. Our country, while is being hollowed out, none of our government officials seem to care about us! They care more about protecting immigrants and making safe spaces for them, and sanctuary cities for them!”

 

And then they hear about this Alt-Right stuff. And so they’re basically flocking to the light, and they get exposed to basically the truth about what’s going on.

 

And that’s how I see the Alt-Right as fitting into this.

 

The name Alt-Right, a lot of the people associated with that in the early days, and really when that was founded it, bug me, because they’re very weak on the jewish problem, and recognizing that the jews are at war with Whites. They kind of tend to be – I’m thinking now of Richard Spencer. But also his two partners originally at the Alternative Right Website that he started up, and who continue to be kind of associated with the Alt-Right, and critics of it.

 

They’re soft on the jews! You know, they talk about the symptoms. And Trump in a way is like this too. He’ll talk about the symptoms, but he won’t name the jews. And there’s a lot of Alt-Light type people, same thing! They’ll talk about what they see as wrong with society. But when it gets to:

 

“What’s causing it? What’s at the root of the problem?”

 

They kind of dance around that issue. And that’s really what defines this spectrum of Alt-Light to Alt-Right to, on beyond, you know, National Socialism, and beyond.

 

John Friend: Yeah, I agree with you! And I mean, I like Spencer. I like what he says. I think he makes a lot of good points. I do think you’re right though in that, at least from what I can tell, he hasn’t really been particularly as hard hitting on the jewish problem as say you, or I would. And I think it is key. I think it’s absolutely central to everything! But at the same time he doesn’t back down on it. He doesn’t deny it, or something like that. Which is fine… I mean, I like Spencer. I like what he’s doing.

 

And I wanted to get your take on the whole thing that happened at the recent NPI Conference, [Tan laughs] and how that’s kind of, … I don’t want to say “divided the Alt-Right”. But sort of made it very clear like:

 

“Look the Alt-Right is a racist, you know, anti-semitic movement!”

 

And like this does need to be made clear and needs to be made explicit. And I think Spencer has handled it very, very, well actually.

 

Tanstaafl: Yes. Let me make myself clear on Spencer.

 

First of all, I don’t dislike him. And I don’t distrust him even. I think that he’s basically a White man standing up for White interests, and he’s doing it in public. He has all my respect. I was listening to him, watching him, at Texas A and M, earlier this evening.

 

And while there are some things that I thought he was weak about. In particular the way he was describing things it was sort of like:

 

“Well, we just sort of got here.”

 

How did we get into this mess was never really something that he grappled with. And none of the questions that I saw anyway, …

 

John Friend: He probably never explicitly said:

 

“Look, jews did this!”

 

I don’t [chuckling] mean like that!

 

Tanstaafl: I don’t think he thinks that, so, …

 

John Friend: Yeah, exactly!

 

Tanstaafl: He does think that White White people are sort of:

 

“All powerful and omnipotent. And if we just get our shit together then we can do anything we want!”

 

And I kind of agree with that. I think it’s the problem is in our heads. That we if we decide that we want to do something we organized to do it. We can kick ass! But it’s still going to be a battle! It’s not like there’s no opponent. And that’s what bothers me about the “soft on the jews” point of view, is it basically is ignorant of, or is ignoring this giant competitor that we have! That, at the moment, has us on the defensive and basically prostrate. It’s not the right way to actually go about fighting.

 

But back to Spencer. He comes across as a very likable guy, you know, personable. He’s very articulate and he gets it. I think he’s aware of the jews, and he’s learning. I think I’ve seen basically a progression over the years in his attitudes and his recognition that:

 

“Yeah. This is serious!”

 

Sometimes he’s a little bit too jocular about it, you know, sarcastic, or whatever. But basically he’s being a leader. He’s trying to get out there and get in people’s faces, and raise White consciousness. And he’s a he gets all my respect for doing that.

 

But as far as the NPI conference, the “Heil Gate”, the “Heil Trump” and all that, and people giving the Roman salute. I think it says more about the people who freaked out about that and immediately surrendered [chuckling] in reaction to that! Or basically thought that was some sort of like telling, self-defeating! Greg Johnson’s reaction was particularly hysterical.

 

John Friend: I missed his! Was he freaking out about it?

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah. It’s pathetic. It was like thirteen, fourteen, minutes of him basically just with a womanly attitude about the whole thing.

 

And I’ve made this point before, going back to the Dylan Roof thing. Is if people don’t like what’s happening you can always keep your mouth shut! If you think that the something is bad, instead of being basically negative and undermining. You could just be quiet.

 

And people are going to say the same about me, that I could just keep my mouth shut about the stuff. And I even say it about myself. That I someone who’s involved with, married to a woman whose father was jewish. I have no moral standing, no right, to speak to White people about what they should, or shouldn’t do, or lead White people. But I’m sorry! Seeing people using the Roman salute, saying:

 

“Heil Trump!”

 

What bugs me about that mostly is the disrespect towards the actual National Socialists who are best known for that, and who deserve respect, not mocking, not a joking attitude, a sarcastic attitude about it.

 

I took it as though the guys, at least some of them who were doing it, were serious. They were excited! They liked what they were hearing. And it’s great when somebody can stir up a crowd like that. That’s of a positive thing! That’s exactly why the jews try to psychopathology that:

 

“That only crazy, stupid, evil, haters do that kind of thing! And you shouldn’t do that!”

 

And to see people, long term people, who know better like. Greg Johnson, get so disturbed by it. It’s demoralizing [chuckling] to see that happen!

 

He cited as evidence that, or maybe not as evidence, but it’s just sort of like the people who inspired him were people like Mike Cernovich, and Vox Day, and who’s the other the jew who does who’s the philosopher? Molyneux. All Alt-Light people who aren’t pro-White, who are part jews, or jews. Vox Day likes to brag about he’s tri-racial.

 

I mean, if I got no standing to talk about things, then they certainly don’t. And why is Greg Johnson even concerned.

 

I don’t even know what I’m talking about Greg Johnson! I wasn’t even going to write about it, or talk about it. It’s a sort of when you ask me my reaction about that Heil Gate thing, the reaction from White people, and especially White so-called leaders, or Alt-Right type people, is telling.

 

I agree with the people who have said this has exposed some cucks, and maybe will scare them off. And that’s a good thing! Go away!

 

Race is real! It’s about race. And the jews are at the heart of it!

 

And you’re not going to be able to just:

 

“Step over the ‘Holocaust’!”

 

To be able to:

 

“Step over the Nazis.”

 

And call them the:

 

“Old Right.”

 

And say that:

 

“We don’t associate with those ideas.”

 

Because as that whole Trump campaign made clear, you can basically be a servant to the jews, and if you talk about things that the jews don’t like they’re going to call you a Nazi and Hitler anyway! Because in a sense you are! If you advocate anything that’s healthy for White people, in any way, even if at the same time you say:

 

“I hate Hitler! I hate the Nazis!”

 

They’re still going to call you Hitler and Nazis!

 

And what’s more important than what they call you is how they will treat you! Because what those labels mean is basically:

 

“Sic ‘em! Get that guy! Kill him! Put him in prison!”

 

That’s what they mean when they say those words. That’s what those words mean to them.

 

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John Friend: I completely agree with everything you’ve said.

 

And this is a point that I’ve been trying to make for, jeez, probably years now. Is if we are serious about this and we really want to set things right, we cannot avoid Revisionism, we can’t avoid confronting this fake “Holocaust” narrative head on! And openly saying that:

 

“This is not true! None of this is true!”

 

It’s a weaponized narrative history that is entirely concocted by jews to advance jewish interests. It is a weapon being used against Whites. And we need to openly say that we have all of the evidence and proof on our side. It’s not as if this is in debate anymore. It’s been conclusively demonstrated that this story is not true!

 

And Hitler was a good guy! Read the damn book! Read Mein Kampf! What is he wrong about? Listen to some of the speeches.

 

I mean, that’s a thing. And I mean, we need to be openly saying this! I mean, what is so wrong with that?

 

Tanstaafl: That was something that Greg Johnson, that was one of the claims that he made is:

 

“Why would we want to attack the jews where they were strongest?”

 

They aren’t strongest there! They defend the “Holocaust”. They make it literally illegal to question it, because it is their weakest point! Because they have harmed us so tremendously!

 

It’s that the war was caused by jews and jewing! It was a reaction! The National Socialists were reacting in self defense of the German people against the depredations that jews had done to them. The harm that they had caused with their parasitism! And the parasitism was not just the Germans. It’s just the Germans were the ones who stood up against it!

 

John Friend: Yeah.

 

Tanstaafl: The parasitism happened for centuries, if not millennia before that, to other people. And it’s happened to other Europeans at the time when the Germans stood up against it.

 

And it’s happening now! It’s even clearer!

 

And once you realize that, once that’s something clicks in your head and you realize that you’ve been lied to your whole life about this fucking “Holocaust” thing! You realize Hitler was right! The National Socialists were right!

 

White people have been basically fed upon by these jews for millennia now, and it’s coming to a head! They’re going to kill us! They are killing us!

 

John Friend: Yeah. I totally agree.

 

Tanstaafl: We are morally in the Right. We have nothing to run away from! We don’t need to “step over the ‘Holocaust’”! We need to refute it directly!

 

John Friend: Yes, I completely agree! And I mean there’s no avoiding this issue. There’s no stepping over this if issue if you care about White people. It is unavoidable.

 

Tanstaafl: As I say, it’s been weaponized. And it’s a weapon that’s used against Whites! It’s harming Whites! Literally sucking, … I mean, you can measure it in dollars, or in pounds, or in marks, or now in Euros, the money that they take, they literally siphoned out of our countries and direct to Israel, because of the “Holocaust”.

 

And, of course, that’s only a fraction of the overall harm that’s caused! There’s all of the crime. And all of the violence. And all of the murders, and the rapes, going on in Europe, because of this “refugee” invasion. And in the United States, because of our open borders.

 

That all happens, because we can’t have a country. Because that’s like Nazis and Hitler!

 

John Friend: Yeah! Exactly! Exactly.

 

Tanstaafl: If you want a a country you’ve got to deal with that issue head on!

 

John Friend: Yes. I totally agree. One quick comment I want to make about the whole Heil Gate situation. I mean, based on some of the interviews I’ve heard, and it’s mostly Mike Enoch, one of the guys from The Right Stuff, he was on. And he was there and apparently he kind of initiated the salute there. It sounded like that they were very genuine. They weren’t trying to sort of, …

 

Tanstaafl: Exuberant!

 

John Friend: Yeah. I mean, I think there’s nothing wrong with doing a Roman salute. I mean, my God! Who cares? What struck me, and I mean, it doesn’t surprise me, but it’s just so incredible that the media was so focused on this.

 

Meanwhile outside we have these radical antifa protesters attacking people, disrupting restaurants, barging in and assaulting people, and spraying people with, … I mean, literally they apparently had some container filled with human excrement. And they were like spraying it on Spencer and other people there.

 

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I mean, this gets no coverage! And kids at school, young kids at school, young White kids at school who go on Facebook and say they voted for Trump, or say they like Trump, they’re getting beat up. No coverage! No coverage at all!

 

A White reporter – I just heard a story about this – a White reporter down in Houston went on Facebook the very next day after the election saying she was thankful that Trump was elected and made a couple other comments. She’s fired from her job. No coverage!

 

I mean, issues so insane that they’re freaking out about someone throwing up a Roman salute. A simple gesture, and meanwhile all these anti-Trump people are rampaging in the streets, burning down cities, attacking people. I mean, it’s just so insane! And so infuriating to see this.

 

Tanstaafl: Well it’s ironic, you know. They have this sort of two faced reaction. I made a little meme, an image meme about it. That the jews, they like out of one side of their face to mock us, that we’re so insignificant, we’re never going to win.

 

And then at the very next moment at the other side of their face, you know, they’re fretting about what’s going to happen when we do win!

 

And that you saw that with their reaction to the NPI thing. Which was such a blow up! The media blew that up way out of proportion, because it’s the jewish media.

 

I don’t say “media”, I call it the “jews media” even though it takes more characters in Twitter. I always wrote “jews media”, because it’s good to emphasize what is behind it. Instead of calling it the “mainstream media”, or the “liberal media”, and the “liberal bias” of the media, it’s a jewish bias in the media! It’s a jewish agenda, it’s jewish narrative.

 

They say they disguise it just like they disguise themselves sometimes. And other times they make it crystal clear.

 

And when they freak out about some guys given the Roman salute and saying “Heil”, they are basically telling us, … It’s like with their reaction to Trump’s speech about globalist elite, and bankers and media, that they’re telling you that it’s all about the jews, and exposing themselves!

 

John Friend: Yeah. Hey real quick. What do you think of Spencer’s speech down there at Texas A and M? Did you get a chance to watch it?

 

Tanstaafl: The initial coverage was pretty bad from Red Ice. I tuned in to a different link that was clearer for like I think the second half of the speech. And then the question & A, I caught the first half of that before that link went bad.

 

My reaction is respect. That he’s out there speaking openly to – in hostile territory – these people. Basically trolling them in real life. And that must be what he’s doing. Because I mean, it’s part of, …

 

One thing I don’t like really is why is he even talking to the enemy? Once I woke up to see race and my own feelings towards Whites, and myself as a White man, I had no interest in debating with blacks. And even as much as I now focus on jews, and trying to understand their arguments, and trying to understand their tactics and their techniques, I don’t have any interest in debating them about anything!

 

There is nothing to debate with our enemies! All we need to do is debate with ourselves to come to the conclusion that they are enemies! And that’s, I think, the most important thing, that they are enemies! And we need to fight them.

 

John Friend: Well, the thing is, and you can see this, … I didn’t really see much of his speech. I saw a few little video segments on Twitter before, you know, we started reporting this. So I really didn’t see hardly anything that happened there. But I did see some of the Q & A, some the questions asked.

 

And the thing is, and I’ve discovered this online, and comments, and whatnot, trying to engage and trying to have an honest discussion about these issues with jews, or with non-Whites, and you try and try, you try to be is honest and genuine as you can and explain your point of view as best you can, without being insulting, or condescending.

 

And these people are just dishonest! They don’t even want to try! They don’t even attempt to understand where you’re coming from. It’s that, or they’re so delusional, so brainwashed, by this anti-White narrative that you cannot have a discussion with these people.

 

There’s one clip I put it up on my Twitter feed right now. It’s a brief video of this big fat black chick at the university. She gets up, and she asked Spencer this question. And she’s saying how blacks founded civilization, and how blacks taught White people philosophy, and architecture, and everything else. And it’s like this lady, this black woman really does genuinely believe this! And not a single word she said is true, or backed up by any historical evidence, any archaeological evidence. She’s just so gone!

 

It’s like, how do you even engage in a discussion with someone like that? And the answer is, you can’t! Yeah you can’t, you don’t! It’s a waste of time.

 

I mean, I totally support what Spencer is doing. I think it’s good to have at least get up there and present our perspective. Something from a pro-White perspective. And I think he does a good job at that.

 

Tanstaafl: He did it without apology.

 

John Friend: Yeah. I think he’s good.

 

Tanstaafl: George Lincoln Rockwell used to do something similar. He used to go to colleges and give speeches in front of large audiences, to hostile jews, and anti-White Whites. And they were very popular.

 

And in fact, they were so popular that basically that was part of why this strategy of the jews to what they call “No platforming”. To basically stop debating!

 

I mean, they understand this existential struggle. And the fact that we are enemies! And once they understand that, they have this attitude that I’m talking about, or that you see, they don’t debate honestly. There’s nothing to debate! You’re a Nazi! You’re a racist! We you’re supposed to be destroyed:

 

“I’m surprised you’re still around. I thought we got rid of all you guys?”

 

That kind of attitude. And it’s a relentless and uncompromising attitude.

 

I learned that lesson early with this guy, Lawrence Auster online, who used to write in such “intellectual”, you know, nit picky. He would tear apart logically liberal arguments. And the minute you touched on the jews, he just lost his, … All the intellect went out the window! All that desire to argue and pick apart the little details, out the window!:

 

“You’re an anti-semite! Your basically a non-person, a non human being!”

 

Wouldn’t even talk to you directly anymore. Just talked about you in the third person like you were non human. And that was a shock to me, because I was like, as you described, at that point I was still kind of like not clear on just how deep this went. And how the racial animus, I didn’t understand it as racial animus.

 

I understood that the jews were enemies. I said that, I think, in the first post I made about it. Is they are not only our enemies, but their enemies. Which is kind of like I think the right idea! I had it pretty early on, I guess, when things snapped in my head I got it right away.

 

But it took me years then to basically fill in the pieces, the missing pieces, about how we got here. How did this happen, and the basic techniques that they used, the psychology of it.

 

John Friend: Yeah. Very well said. And there’s been a good conversation.

 

I have one final question and it relates to, … You had mentioned how the jews pursued a strategy back when Rockwell was giving all these speeches, of basically just not covering anything he was doing, at least for a certain period of time. They just deplatformed him, …

 

Tanstaafl: Banning him!

 

John Friend: Yeah. And banning him and shutting it down, of course.

 

But now it’s like they can’t give us enough ink, you know, they’re promoting the Alt-Right and all this, even though they’re doing it in many cases very dishonestly, and trying their best to demonize us.

 

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Tanstaafl: What I hear from the hive mind is that they’re torn on this. It’s like with Trump too. They gave Trump what they thought was enough rope to hang himself with. And it didn’t turn out the way they thought.

 

They thought by covering him that they would basically expose what a nutcase he was and people wouldn’t vote for him. And it didn’t turn out that way. They don’t have the level of control that they thought they had.

 

So that’s the sort of the positive message here. Is the jews are omnipotent. They’re not all powerful. They can be fought! And they can be defeated! Trump defeated them.

 

Unfortunately for us, he’s not a racialist, he’s not pro-White, he’s not anti jewish. But he was able to defeat them in spite of them throwing almost everything they had at him, short of bullets in the head.

 

John Friend: Well, what’s amazing to me is that they are giving us so much coverage. When they could just not be covering any of this.

 

Tanstaafl: It’s the rope thing. Like with the Heil Gate and the Bannon thing. It’s their concern and they’re airing it. And they’re putting their spin on it. And they’re basically building on decades of propaganda and billions of dollars invested in this negative associations with these things.

 

And so when they write a story about the NPI conference and these people giving Nazi salutes in Washington DC, There are basically trying to scare each other, and sort of warn each other:

 

“Hey! It’s happening again! It’s happening! And we’ve got to do something squash this!”

 

That’s why they do it. And I think they will switch to just silencing us. And it’s basically they can do both. I mean, they’ve got the ADL and other organizations lobbying constantly to get us shutdown. They try to shut down the NPI thing. They do both at the same time. They cover it with their spin on it, and [chuckling] they try to shut it down same time! And there’s not a contradiction there.

 

And it’s a constant debate, as I was saying amongst the hive mind of the jews media. On Twitter you can see them having this debate every day about this whether they should do this, or that, or more of this, or less of that. That kind of thing:

 

“Is it good, or bad for the jews?”

 

Basically.

 

John Friend: Right.

 

Tanstaafl: Constantly.

 

John Friend: What do you think is the future of the Alt-Right? Do you see this as something that’s going to have a legitimate political impact in the years to come?

 

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Tanstaafl: Yes. I think like the Tea Party, it will go on. There’s been struggles for this past year and a half over the soul of it, and who gets to define it. And I know Andrew Anglin has fought very hard to make sure that people did not “steal it”. And that Alt-Light didn’t get away with it.

 

Even Spencer himself has defended it from Alt-Light type people coming into it and trying to redefine it. The jews media tried early on to define it as Milo. Milo Yiannopoulos was the leader of it. And I forget who else. Several other like not just Alt-Light, but, you know, jew friendly type figures that they tried to nominate.

 

And even recently Jared Taylor, up until this Heil Gate thing, jared Taylor was being touted as a leader of Alt-Right. And that’s kind of disgusting to me!

 

Because, you know, Taylor, as much as I can credit him with waking people up to racial consciousness, he is a person that has spent far too much time thinking about what the problems are to not see the jews, to not see the jews role in this!

 

And every time he’s pressed on the issue, he cucks for the jews! He defends the jews! Says that they’re White basically, or at least some of them are, and that we sort of have to welcome some of them.

 

Because why? Well, he never really explains. Why do White people need to accept jews as White? There is no good reason that he offers for that. And he’s really pressed on it. And when he is pressed on that he disappoints as far as understanding that the jews are the enemy.

 

I think that his statement about the Heil Gate thing was basically he went right to the point of:

 

“I don’t think it’s a good idea to call jews enemies. The jews can be White.”

 

He said. And that’s exactly wrong! That’s worse than Alt-Light! That’s worse than normie White! That’s like you’re basically an enemy yourself!

 

John Friend: Yeah.

 

Tanstaafl: If you don’t recognize the enemy and call it “the enemy”, and, in fact, say the opposite, that they’re not our enemy, that they’re actually White people who maybe have lost their way, or whatever, and we should accept them. That’s actually like enemy activity!

 

John Friend: Treason, yeah? It really is. And I mean, the guy’s very intelligent obviously. And he said a lot of very good things. But on this one issue. I mean, I’ve always felt this way about him. Because I remember the first time I discovered his work. It was him cucking on the jews. And I’m like:

 

“What is this guy talking about!”

 

Jews are not White. I mean, ask a jew yourself and they will tell you they’re not White. They hate White people [chuckling]. They’ll tell you themselves!

 

Tanstaafl: They dance around it! This is something that has been coming out during this election cycle is this “goy posing”, where they pretend to be White. And there’s value to pretending to be White for them.

 

And that’s the only time they will pretend to be White is when there’s value in it for them. Either to shift the blame to White people. Like say when some jew gets caught doing something really bad, you know, they’re portrayed in the jewish media as a “White” person!:

 

“This is just another example of White privilege and White abuses!”

 

And they’re not identified as jews. That’s one thing. But then they’ll also, and this is even smaller jews. And online, on Twitter, this really got exposed very badly. And the (((echo meme))) thing was a big part of this.

 

That the jews will say something negative about White people, speaking for White people, speaking to White people, as a White person:

 

“I think this, or that shitty thing about White people!”

 

And they would posture as if they were White.

 

And people started to basically call them on it and put parentheses around their (((name))), or mock them, and laugh at them. And say:

 

“You’re not White! You’re a jew!”

 

And the best was when they post some picture, a snapshot of some previous tweet, that they had made where they were saying:

 

“As a jew, I think this, or that!”

 

And this isn’t just some new thing. It’s newly discovered, and it’s a new form of calling the jews on it. It’s actually a very positive sign that White people are calling the jews on this. For decades the jews have gotten away with this posturing as White, in order to tell us what to do, to basically posture as moral authorities about what White people should, or shouldn’t do, should, or shouldn’t say!

 

And then, sort of like that the double talk of it, is that then if they are pressed on the issue, it’ll be like:

 

“Well, because I’m a jew, I really understand these issues best about hate and minorities being oppressed, and, because of the ‘Holocaust’ and all!”

 

So it’s a real example of privilege where they can basically be White when they want to shit on White people, and shovel blame our way. And they can be jews when they want to be treated specially in a positive way and be protected, because they’re jews.

 

And this is something that they’ve done throughout history. This posing as their host. I mean, it has this biological analogy where a parasite will literally disguise itself. It’s called “Crypsis”. So that the host mistakes it as one of its own.

 

And understanding it at that level, it’s very explicative. It really explains what’s going on in a solid sense. But it’s also like the most stomach churning way of seeing it, that it makes so much sense, it’s like:

 

“God, this is bad!”

 

John Friend: Yeah. [chuckling]

 

Tanstaafl: This is for me, I’m a kind of embroiled in it. And Trump is too!

 

You see how it happens. The jews gravitate, at least some of them do, towards mixing with the most powerful in their host. And they use that infiltration then to enhance their ability to manipulate that host.

 

And by doing it amongst the most powerful people, of course, they get the most leverage that way. By intermixing with the aristocracy, or the leaders of a given society.

 

I think of it as like claws, or fangs biting into the host, and it allows then the larger body of jews, the other half of the jews the jewry, the Orthodox, Hasidim, who basically are a closed gene pool, transfer the wealth and the energy that they suck out of their host to that sort of fruiting body to feed on! It’s disgusting! But that’s what’s happening right now.

 

Jew York City especially, sort of like the epicenter of this, where you got these Orthodox jew communities springing up, colonies really, you could think of them as, all around the New York City area. Where basically they take over. And it’s like a little Israel in those places!

 

John Friend: Yeah. It’s a real problem. The jewish problem! That is the best way to look at it. And as he said before it really is a jewish war on White people. That’s the way it should be understood. Because that’s exactly what’s going on. And the sooner Whites recognize that, the sooner we can finally deal with it!

 

And in order to deal with it we have to be clear about race. We have to be clear about what the jews are up to. And we have to be real about our history! And not accept these weaponized jewish narratives of World War Two especially, but many other aspects of our collective history.

 

And we cannot let them manipulate us with these with these buzzwords, “racist”, “anti-semite”. I mean, we have to totally break free of all of their aspects of control. And I think we’re making steps in that direction.

 

[104:56]

 

Tanstaafl: Oh yes! Big progress! Lots of people, it’s incredible how many people and how quickly they’re waking up to it. I remember when I first woke up myself. It seemed like it was kind of depressing, because there were so few people that were actually discussing it. I mean, it was literally a handful of websites. And all credit to the generations of men and women who’ve gone before, that were aware of the problem and died for it! Died fighting!

 

But by the early 2000s it was like just a handful of people in the corners of the web where we’re discussing these things. And now it’s just a totally different environment. It’s like a giant websites with obviously hundreds, or thousands of people getting together and discussing these things. And discussing it, like I said, on Twitter, openly mocking the jews, as jews, for trying to pull their old tricks that used to work.

 

And they’re not working. So the reaction to that is to shut down. That’s why they ban people when you do confront them and expose them directly. Then that’s when they have to shut you down.

 

John Friend: That’s right. Well Tan, I don’t know if you had any other closing remarks?

 

If you do please let us know. And if not, you go ahead and plug your website. And we will wrap up this program.

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah. This just one last point. Which is that a theme I’ve hit on many times over the last couple of years, is this “suicide meme”, which is also “pathological altruism”, it’s sometimes called. Which I think of a “suicide meme 2.0”. It’s more a more sciency thing.

 

I think it’s been discredited. And I think it wasn’t because of the arguments that I made – maybe a small part because of that. But it was mainly because the events going on around us discredited the idea that White people are doing this to ourselves! We see that it was the invasion of Europe when the so-called “refugee” thing got out of control in 2015. A lot of people, even people who previously had been silent, spoke up about it and could see for themselves that this is destruction! This is not self-inflicted.

 

This is like a somebody inside the Gates has opened the Gates for the outside world to pour in. And our leaders, our supposedly leaders are welcoming it! And defending these aliens against us! And that was exactly the kind of thing that I realized back in 2007, or so, when I woke up, that it was a clear to me.

 

But a lot of people, … Just like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, and these things that the jewish media have had hyped out of control, “Black Lives Matter”, what it finally culminated in, it actually ends up a wakening people to what’s going on. And so I think that’s a good thing.

 

And I’m sick of hearing about the suicide meme! I thought in its original form it originated from jews who are basically just trying to make an excuse for the fact that it was a jew war on Whites. That’s what’s going on. It’s a genocide agenda! And it’s a jewish genocide agenda of Whites.

 

I think a lot of people getting that. They’re not just getting that it’s about race and about jews. But they get that Whites are in big trouble. And yes, we’ve got all sorts of pathological behaviors and all sorts of sick things, degenerate things that we’re up to.

 

But this is not something that arose naturally within ourselves and would have happened without the jews. This is totally instigated by this alien people that see us as their enemy! And have basically inflicted this upon us. And it wouldn’t be happening without them. So it’s, …

 

John Friend: Yes. I totally agree.

 

Tanstaafl: We have to fight! I mean, that’s the main way. When people say:

 

“Oh! But we have to improve ourselves! We have to do better and, …”

 

Yeah! Let’s do better! Let’s recognize our enemies as enemies! And let’s fight them! Instead of pretending that we’re the only thing that exists in the world. And we’re the only force to be reckoned with.

 

That’s not going to work. I mean, that’s like if you were, I don’t know, infected with some small parasite that makes you sick. And you just pretend:

 

“All I have to do is think positive thoughts, and have a strong identity, and then this wouldn’t happen to me!”

 

No! It would happen! And you need to recognize what the real root of the problem is and deal with that problem!

 

So that’s the last thought. My web site is Age of Treason dot com.

 

[110:04]

 

There’s not much activity between say January, February of this year, and just this past month. And I don’t know how long have the energy to keep writing. As I said in the past, I don’t really like repeating myself. I see these themes over, and over, again.

 

Twitter kind of got me in the habit of, on a daily basis, posting at least short things. So people may notice compared to my older blog posts which were very long and detailed. And I don’t trouble with that anymore. I don’t make elaborate arguments anymore.

 

Maybe I still have that in me at some point I will post that. But right now I’m more concerned to get important issues, and focus on them, make a blog post focusing on an issue that I think is actually crucial. And maybe say something pretty simple about it.

 

And it’s a good way to get past writer’s block for me. Because after being away from it – blog posting for so long – actually, it was quite a struggle to write the first blog post [chuckling]! I was instigated by the pent up energy of not being able to post on Twitter anymore. So it happened.

 

And once it happened once that I was able to start writing more. But I don’t intend to go back to multi page long things. And I don’t even know about podcasting. I mean, it took a lot of energy to make the podcasts I’ve made. And I covered all the basics.

 

At this point, I’d only be adding a few little details. So I don’t know what I’ll be doing in the future, is basically what I’m trying to say.

 

If people are curious about these issues and they think that what I’m saying is exaggerated, go read some of the things I’ve written on my blog, and documented, and linked to. I make detailed arguments. For people who are truly curious, they’ll go and they can find the information.

 

John Friend: Yeah, I completely agree. And I hope people do check out your website and check out your radio archives. And also check out the previous podcast that we did a year ago, that I mentioned at the very beginning of this program.

 

Tanstaafl: I agree.

 

John Friend: Yeah, I think that was very good. And, in fact, the title of that podcast was “The jew as a Parasite”! So we really get into the jewish problem in probably even greater detail than we did in this show.

 

But yeah, man, you’re always welcome here. I mean, it’s always great talking to you. I think between you and MacDonald, I think you guys are really kind of done more than then, … I mean, I guess in a contemporary context I think Hitler’s had a huge impact on my understanding of the jewish problem.

 

But you and MacDonald have added a lot to it. Help me come to the conclusions that I’ve come to. And I think they’re very well founded and unavoidable!

 

Tanstaafl: Yeah.

 

John Friend: If you simply do the research.

 

Tanstaafl: Well, thank you John. And it makes me happy to hear that I’ve had an influence, a positive influence, on other White people. And I’ve heard that from a handful of people over the last couple of years. And it makes me happy!

 

I mean, I’ve invested quite a few hours in trying not only to understand it myself, but then to try and explain it in terms that other people would maybe have an easier time then, if I laid it out, the work that I had invested. And I’m glad I did that. And I’ll continue to do it as long as I can find the time and energy to do it.

 

John Friend: Excellent! Well, thank you so much for joining me today. We will have to do another program in the future, maybe once Trump finally gets in and, …

 

Tanstaafl: Once we see what he’s, …

 

John Friend: Once we see what he’s doing, exactly! Yeah that’s really what I’ve been… I mean, we can sit here and speculate all day long. But I really want to see what he’s going to do. I think some of his picks are kind of revealing. But ultimately will this kind of have to wait and see what happens. But hopefully we’ll still be able to communicate if, you know, [chuckling] at that point assuming he doesn’t sign some crazy legislation.

 

So anyways, thanks a lot than! And I really do appreciate it. And please do keep up the great work. And I hope people check out your website. And we will talk again soon.

 

Tanstaafl: Thanks John.

 

 

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END

 See Also:

 

The Realist Report Interviews TANSTAAFL — 2016 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

The Realist Report – Tanstaafl: The Jew As A Parasite — TRANSCRIPT

 

Luke Ford – JQ Debate with Age Of Treason – Mar 2018 — TRANSCRIPT