Luke: Morgoth. Thank you for joining me for Lamster. In this stream I’m hoping that we can chart a bit of the history of how you reached the point you’re at right, now, in terms of your thinking about the world your understanding of things.

What’s a good time to start? How far do we rewind the clocks? Couple of decades? [chuckling]

Morgoth: Yeah actually. I was just saying before I went live, I was gonna do like a solo Morgcast on how I ended up with the opinions that I did in the world. I mean, I’ve kind of mellowed a bit in the last few years, you know, everybody gets older!

If you go back when I opened the blog in 2014, it was like literally, … I mean, I was Daily Stormer tier, what I wrote. My blog articles. I was in the Daily Stormer dashboard just posting me articles there, and trying to get them headlined, and all of that.

But the road that led up to me being writing at the Daily Stormer, which I think is sort of like my peak hardcore days, that’s long one. And most of it’s actually not on the internet at all! It’s in the real world.

I am, like obviously, I’m from the northeast. And then I started to do things like with some friends, cousin, who passed away this week. Maybe we can get into that later. So I’ve been a bit quiet this week, because there’s a lot for the family to deal with.

But I travelled around backpacking and things like that. And once I left the northeast, I started to see, first the south. And then I did backpacking. I went into Europe and we spent months. We’d work like crappy agency jobs. And then we’d just head out, because it didn’t matter. You could just come back and get a different job.

So we all lived at home then. And then we would go off. It was like three of us. And then we’d save up money and go off backpacking and just traveling around like that.

The thing is, when you, especially like in the 90s, growing up in the 90s in the northeast, it was all just English people. So there was hardly anything else. So you kind of assumed that would just be the status quo. And you look back there now in these halcyon days.

But then when I started to move around a bit in Europe. And I started to see places like Paris. And that’s already like say in 1999. And then I actually worked in Holland for a long, long, time. Like 10 years I was over there living and working in Belgium, Holland, over the border.

And then you begin to see things that you’re not really kind of prepared for. And there was things that I was expected to believe which I just couldn’t. And then one of the things that occurred to me was that the kind of label of “racist” was just a weapon. And I didn’t know why that had happened. I wasn’t aware of how that had kind of found it’s way. But I found it to be obvious. Like I just found it nonsensical.

And I used to sit in a like a pub, a little tavern in Belgium. And they had a lot of Turks and things. And I remember I used to try and kind of get out of them of what it means to be Belgium then. Because what it seemed to me was that if somebody just gets a passport. And they were kind of thinking well some of them [word unclear], because it’s a divisive issue. But some people are saying:

“Well, that means they all the Dutch.”

Or that means wherever they’re from, they can come in from the anywhere really. A Turk then will be then a Belgian.

And my issue that I really had a problem with was that, … And I would switch it. I would switch the scenario to the Danes, because they didn’t really have an empire. Because when you bring in all of the history and the baggage that countries like Britain and France have got, and Holland to be honest, it kind of gets more complicated. Because it’s about how they dished out citizenship after the colonial era.

So what I did was, I would bring up Denmark, because I knew they didn’t have a history of colonialism. And I was like. Well, we know that the Danish are, you think of the Danes. They’re these tall kind of handsome, blonde, Scandinavians. So we know what they are. But the problem is if everybody becomes Danish when they get a passport, then that can go on, and on, and on, and the original population will disappear.

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And this is way before, … At this point, I didn’t have the internet, or anything. I was just kind of wandering around in Europe noticing these things. And I didn’t know where to turn. I didn’t know what to get for information, or anything like that.

So it was kind of a strange thing, because you’re trying to piece all of this together without the internet, or without knowing which books to buy, or anything. These kinds of questions. It wasn’t that I was walking around as this “hater”. But I just felt like there was something wrong! In the case of France, because that was the first time, I was just horrified by the state of Paris.

And the funny thing is, I thought well they’ve made a mistake, and then somebody’s gonna step in, … It’s been like some political party must have came in and made a huge mistake. And then somebody else is going to come in and set this right.

But then you travel on the bus, the train, and you go to Belgium, and you’re seeing the same thing again! And then you go to Holland and you see the same thing again. And then I would go to London and I was seeing the same thing again! And I thought:

“Well, how can it be happening everywhere?”

And then also like all of these places were using the same kind of terminology to shut people down. And I thought:

“How could all of this be happening at the same time in all of these different countries? It doesn’t make any sense!”

I just started to feel as if there was something deeply, deeply wrong going on in Europe.

So that was what set me off.

Luke: You noticed that there was this kind of unanswerable question, this cognitive dissonance, that I’m being told to believe “A” but I’m seeing “B”, and then simultaneously there’s this rhetoric that you mention around calling people “racist”, that seems to be shutting down the question.

And I can’t help thinking lots of people must notice this on some level, but very few seem to push into it, and investigate, and go further. So was there just something inside you that couldn’t accept living with the dissonance? You’re on a mission.

Morgoth: Yeah, well there was two things. Let’s just say, because we’re on YouTube, let’s just say there was the nature of the diversity itself.

Luke: Yeah.

Morgoth: Which it wasn’t great. And then there was the sort of the second part, was the ideological part. Which I wouldn’t have even used that kind of language. But there was a kind of intellectual component which I couldn’t, … Like that was what I had a problem with, because it didn’t make sense.

I mean, an example would be where the place where I worked in Holland, I’d go in, and they’d be two black lads and they both had White Dutch girlfriends. And they were like sharing each other explicit photos on their phone. And I deliberately picked up they had some kind of connection with each other, that was closer than the bond either one of them had with the girlfriends.

And so I began to pick up on this in-group, out-group kind of thing. And the problem that I had was that like say my side of that equation, the White side, was not allowed to have an in-group bias.

In fact, that when you began to talk about that you ran straight into the problem of the intellectual component. So it’s like, then you’re saying:

“Well everybody else is tribal. And not just tribal. But they are viewing us with contempt!”

And then it’s like:

“Well okay, so we need it to be like that.”

And then it’s, we can’t. Because that’s taboo. And I thought:

“Oh, now this gets a bit dark.”

Because we’ve obviously got some serious problems here. We seem to be surrounded on all sides. And then when we try to kind of defend ourselves against it, and ring fence it, and form a cohesive block of our own, we’re not allowed to do that? So we just have to remain, like kind of victims? And it just kind of carried on like that.

I mean, in Holland, in the 2000s, you don’t hear too much about it these days. But there was some quite crazy things that went on. I mean, Pim Fortuyn, he wasn’t even far-Right. He was just a sort of classic liberal gay, who was the Mayor of Rotterdam, I think it was. And an antifa Dutch Lefty shot him dead in the street. I heard that at work when it happened. It was their equivalent of Radio One.

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But he was addressing a lot of these issues. Specifically the issue of the Moroccans in Rotterdam, and how it was all one way. And that something needed to change. And here you are, he was shot dead.

And then you had Theo van Gogh, who got more, or less, beheaded on the streets of Amsterdam, because he was vocal. And it wasn’t that they were far-Right. It was that they were these more kind of old-fashioned European liberals. Where the problem they had with them, it wasn’t like “blood and soil”, all that kind of thing. But it was that they weren’t abiding by liberal rights. They saw it as, especially the Islamic kind of contingent of the multicultural society, was just openly flouting liberalism. And the liberal elites in Europe weren’t standing up against it.

So everybody had these speech codes. And all of this. And from their perspective, like it wasn’t like a blood and soil argument. It was an argument in favour of liberalism. And they weren’t getting anywhere. They were getting shut down.

They kind of drifted into the Counter Jihad nonsense, as well. And I got into that, as well for a while, because it was like they were the only people who I had access to. And, you know, read people like Mark Steyn, and this kind of thing.

Luke: Hmm. One of the, at least these days, one of the frequent defenses given to normies for this sort of unique treatment, whereby everyone can be a victim except the groups who clearly are the actual, the biggest victims, is this concept of “privilege”. There’s always a group who’s on top and everybody’s allowed to criticize that group. To the point where if they are widely accepted to be on top, it’s actually beyond the scope of conversation to discuss whether in fact, they are on top.

Were these dynamics all around in the early, like the 2000s? And did you pick up on that?

Morgoth: It was a bit later.

Luke: Okay.

Morgoth: What happened was I ended up becoming friends with a Dutch lesbian. I mean, on a lighter note, like I’m a young young lad. And I just didn’t believe that she was actually a lesbian. I thought like she just she just needed the right encouragement, kind of thing. [Lamda laughs] And I just wouldn’t have it! And we got into this kind of routine, where I’d get drunk, and kind of try me luck. And then it was like I got slapped off all the time. And:

“I really am a lesbian! I’m not just making it up. You’re not gonna like lure me away!”

You know what I mean. But she was great! She actually she was okay, besides that. [chuckling]

But I did notice, because there was a like a gay came in and worked for a while. And he couldn’t do it, because it was heavy work. He was a laughing stock. But what he did straight away was go to the manager and say if anybody makes fun of him for being like a homo, then he wants their jobs. And we all got a kind of speaking to. Like you just don’t talk about it. And I remember talking to the lesbian one day. And I was saying:

“Look the problem is, if you add up, like you all in your own ways think you’re victims. But if you add it all up, if you add you up with the gays.”

I mean, the trans thing wasn’t an issue then. You didn’t hear of it then.:

“And then with all of the different like minority groups, if you add you all up together, that’s one hell of a coalition against what’s normal!”

And then the reply was like:

“Well, what’s normal?”

So either the reply was this kind of post modern mumbo jumbo. And so that was one of those times I thought:

“This is kind of weird. This is really worrying!”

Because, if you do add up all of these groups they’re not minority, they’re going to call the shots!

Luke: Hmm. The coalition of minorities ends up being a majority, together!

Morgoth: Yeah.

Luke: And the people who fall outside of every minority, are actually the minority, at that point. That that gets picked on by everybody else.

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Morgoth: Yeah. And so you begin to think:

“Well, if this just goes on, and on, and on, like this is going to be the end of Europe!”

And again I thought, … Well, I just couldn’t understand why it was happening, and why it was happening everywhere at once.

And so eventually there was a lot of unpleasant things happening, like with kebab shops, and rumours, and things like that.

But then eventually I did get the internet. And I remember, … I was seeing a Belgian girl at the time, a Flemish girl. And I discovered a blogger, in the Counter Jihad scene, called Fjordman. It turns out he’s a bit dodgy. [chuckling] And he kind of retired after the Anders Brevik kind of thing. He was getting a little bit too close, … He was seen as being a kind of inspiration for him.

And like, I’ll put it this way. Like Fjordman, when it turned out he wasn’t really Norwegian, he was something else. And he was deeply entrenched in the Counter Jihad.

But leaving that aside, he had a blog where it was all about what was going on. He was from Sweden. He said he was Norwegian, but the point is that he was writing about Sweden. And this is like 2007, or something. And it had never occurred to me.

Like I remember sitting up and my girlfriend bought a laptop, because I didn’t even have a computer, or anything. And we sat up reading the Fjordman’s blog, like all night. And one of the articles what he wrote was called “What is the GDP worth of a gang rape?”, or something like that.

Now, at this point, it had never even occurred to me that Sweden would have mass immigration. Because the first thing is, it’s like this cold country up in the middle of nowhere. So I thought it would be strange that immigrants would even want to go to Sweden. [Luke chuckles] But then, not only were they going there, not only were they going there even more as a percentage than what they were going to other parts of Europe, but the politicians were more politically correct. Which by that time was a phrase I’d kind of picked up on. And I thought:

“My god! What the hell is going on?”

And it was always demographic breakdown. And for me it just seemed like this is the end of the world! This is the end of our world, which has taken place here! And I’ll be kind of get more, and more, …

Eventually then I actually went to Norway physically myself. And I could see like Norway wasn’t that bad. But I could tell, I could see it in Oslo. And then I was like:

“Yeah. I can imagine what Sweden is like.”

And I just thought it was just this kind of profound sense of:

“This is wrong! This is so wrong!”

If you have a look at, there’s like nine million Swedes in the world, out of like seven billion people! And they aren’t allowed their own place in the world? With all like the sort of distinctive Scandinavian blonde hair? Like why is that not being treasured, and protected, for what it is? And I just found the whole thing just repulsive!

Because then everywhere was just going to end up looking like Asia, or North Africa. And then these special ethnic groups are just going to disappear! And bit by bit you can see that I was just getting more, and more, kind of radicalized! But not by the internet, by what I was seeing with me real eyes.

Luke: Hmm. Did you perceive the drive to be kind of globalist in origin? That is everywhere becomes a homogenous mixture of all cultures, or did you perceive it as explicitly anti-Western? You know, an attempt to tear down, for example, Sweden in particular, or Holland?

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Morgoth: I saw it that the traditional peoples of Europe were under attack! That it was genocidal in intent.

Luke: But it seemed like it was the politicians within the countries who were like driving it forward.

Morgoth: Yeah. So that a big problem that I had, and this gets you back to say the Counter Jihad. So obviously I had limited access to the internet. So one of the things that they were saying was that this was essentially a “bottom up revolution”. And that the radical Marxists in Sweden had, … And they would go on like the Gramscian thing, long march through the institutions. And that basically cultural Marxists in Sweden had wriggled their way in the positions of power, and it had gone all the way up. And now the problem that I had with that, like I thought:

“Okay I can kind of get that. But then the problem is like, why did the people up on the top will allow that to happen?”

Like presumably you’re gonna have an elite class in your government. And that they are gonna notice what’s going on. And they’re just gonna shut it down! And that obviously hadn’t happened.

So I didn’t understand it for a long time. It just didn’t make sense. Because I was being told that this was a bottom-up revolution.

Another problem that I had, a big problem that I had, was let’s just take that narrative for what it is. But the problem is like the Marxists were themselves White. So why would they do this to their own country? And I began to get the impression that there was something else. [chuckling] There was another element at play. And whatever it was it despised the sort of the Nordic phenotype. The northern European type.

That there was some other force out there which wanted them binned! Wanted them gone! But I didn’t know who, or what that was at that time, of course. [chuckling].

But one of the things with that, it seemed me as well, like if you wanted to kind of decapitate the northern European aesthetically, and ethnically, you would do that to somewhere like Sweden.

And at the same time I’ve been all the way around Spain. So I’m not talking about the internet message boards. I was actually in these places. And one of the things I noticed about Spain was that it was actually relatively untouched. Now in all fairness, it’s kind of hard to tell a difference [chuckling] in a lot of the cases. But Spain just still seemed very Spanish. And it was in the north that seemed to be getting Muhammaded. And I thought:

“Yeah there’s something not right here. Something that I don’t like.”

So I was just constantly like, … And I looked in the early days of YouTube, I was finding videos, especially in America, that’d be blacks gloating about it! About our shrinking percentage in the world.

Luke: That’s one of the curious things that the people, … So even today I’d say this is the case. There’s a lot of sort of intellectualizing, high-minded language. But, there’s clearly also straight-up malicious groups. So that you’ve kind of got both forces in co-operation in some ways, right?

You’ve got the almost the naive liberal perspective. I don’t know if it’s genuine naivety? One way, or another it seems to be a genuine attempt to be above issues of culture and race. And then you have these groups which seem to be allowed to exist, supporting their own interests in a fairly straightforward way. But, because they are perceived as victim classes, therefore it’s kind of palatable and acceptable to the wider society that they’re looking after their own interests.

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Yeah, but like I kind of just didn’t want them there in the first place. I didn’t really want to hear any sob stories, or thought structural kind of issues. I didn’t care! I just didn’t think they should be in Europe, because it’s not their place. So all of this kind of stuff about “privilege”, and all of this kind of Lefty structural language I just brushed it aside. I don’t care like!

And to be honest I still feel the same way today. Because I’ve been sidetracked this week I was planning to do, I’m still am, a Morgcast with Daughter of Albion on Jane Austen. Jane Austen’s being cancelled in university, because they’re “decolonizing” the curriculum.

So people tend to get drawn into these kind of arguments about well, Jane Austen is part of the British identity, which is like part of the Empire. And we need to kind of deconstruct all of that. So you get more diverse voices heard. And I just think, I don’t give a shit! I don’t care if you don’t like it! I don’t want you here in the first place!

So I was opposed to the initial kind of immigration. And then, after the fact, I’m also supposed to then engage in this kind of Lefty dialectic about “oppression”, and who fits in, and who has their voice? I don’t care about that, because I was opposed to the first one! I’m not going to be opposed to the second one! Well oh, you know what I mean, I’m not going to get drawn into that’s kind of rubbish in the second act! [Luke chuckles] Now that we’re here, we’ve got all these problems! Well I don’t care! I don’t want them here anyway!

Luke: Yeah. But I was sort of commenting on that this is the only part of the dialogue that’s allowable on mainstream platforms. You’re talking about a feeling that I think, so you had, and was probably shared by an enormous number of people. I mean, you know, who can really tell how many people have what opinions, because there’s always an attempt to sugarcoat it with the Leftist language.

And so whenever it’s talked about in sort of respectable society, the conversation is always in terms of sort of high-minded idealists versus the racists, and sexists, and transphobes, and whatever. But then you kind of see the mask slip from time to time with gloating about.”

Oh! Get excited, because America is going to be minority White by X date!”

Or whatever it is. These kind of news stories pop up from time to time. And you think is that, … That’s an unusual amount of glee from somebody who was supposedly a high-minded idealist, right?

Morgoth: Yeah. I mean, just kind of following the story on. I’m going to skip over some of it, because it’s pretty gruesome. But eventually I had a Facebook account, like a normie Facebook account. And this was around about the time that the BNP was like surging. And I checked out the BNP. They had like a big Facebook page. This is before censorship was a thing on Facebook. So imagine the BNP had like two million followers on Facebook, or whatever it was on there, …

Luke: You can’t imagine it now, can you?

Morgoth: It’s insane really! The stuff that you could get away with, it was like a wild west.

Luke: But do you think pre — 2016 there was a genuine sort of, … I think in Silicon Valley there was an actual belief in this like:

“Sunlight is the best disinfectant! We’re going to let people have their ideas, hash it out in public.”

And they really thought two terms of Obama, all of the signs were kind of saying:

“Yes, actually through freedom of speech we’re heading in a direction that fitted with the Silicon Valley culture.”

And so I think there was a real difference pre — 2016 in the way that a lot of this existed online.

Morgoth: Yeah. I think a lot of those big tech CEOs, they were happy with free speech, because they thought they had the best ideas. They thought they had the best moral arguments. So it was like:

“We can give nationalists a voice, because we know we’ll beat them, because we know that we have better arguments than they do.”

And, of course, this proved out to be wrong. This proved out to be like very wrong! And they ended up having to just resort to outright power. Well, it was like:

“Well, we can’t beat them, because you end up with Brexit! You end up with Trump! You end up with these mass populist movements!”

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So he has just come up with that book today which kind of proves a point, where eventually it will just come down to loss of power. And they’re not just going to sit back and lose power, they’ll shut you down instead! So that’s the end of your kind of bottom-up rebellion! You can’t go anywhere.

But I mean one of the things that I did see back, kind of reminiscent on the BNP page, which was another wake-up call, was though it was just absolutely swarming with UAF trolls!

So the kind of people who are on the BNP, they’d be like working class. I always mentioned one. It was like a working-class girl from Carlisle called Becky. Who I got a little bit friendly with. And you could see they weren’t well read. They were typing in text speak in the messages.

And then you had all of these lefties, who’d obviously been like to university. And they had all of these narratives. They basically were these working-class White people on the BNP page. A lot of them were women as well. And they were just being absolutely torn apart by the Lefty trolls as they called them! Like just humiliated! And insulted! Viciously, viciously insulted for being stupid, racist, scum! And all of the kind of White guilt stuff. And they had all of the arguments ready to roll.

And I remember thinking that it was clearly coordinated. And I was thinking:

“Who does that?”

The first thing is, it sounds so naive now. But I was thinking:

“But you are us. Like you are English as well, you are British! Why are you taking the side of the ‘other’, against your own people?”

And I know it sounds naive. But I was absolutely disgusted by it!

And as well as all of the kind of intellectual kind of stuff they were coming out with. And I thought:

“Where’s this coming from? How do they know this?”

Because it’s as if they’ve been like mentally and intellectually tooled up to shut these people down! To have all of the Right talking points, and everything.

And that was a thing where I wanted to know. I want to know where that came from! I wanted to know who was responsible!

One thing that I used to like read Mark Steyn’s blog, every Saturday. And he was like a neocon. He’s actually on GB News now. He’s coming out with some quite based stuff. But he wrote a book called “America Alone”. But the downside of it is he was very much a neocon.

But nevertheless, he gave me, … Like he used to point out how absurd it was that you would have Leftists who tended to be like feminists. And they would come out in support of the burka, or they were coming out in support of like radical Islam, and all this. And for me I thought this is great! Because it was like a little tool that I had! It was a little kind of way, you know, I’d got my first like little weapon to fight back [chuckling] in the war of words, which I was getting more, and more, drawn into on the internet.

And bit by bit I began to build up the armoury and find out where they were coming from. And all of that kind of thing.

Luke: Mmm.

Morgoth: And it went on, and on, from there.

Luke: It’s good to dig into that. And I know it’s a well trod idea, at this point. But you have the high-minded publicly put forward ideal of:

“We want to treat everybody equally, and protect everybody. And particular focus on protecting women, and defeating misogyny!”

That’s the kind of self-described, the way that they would talk about themselves. But then, if you look at their actual actions, then they would be extremely, … They’d sort of run rearguard action to defend Islamic culture. Which was unashamedly sort of backwards in their terms.

They would say, surely an honest analysis if they really cared about women’s rights, they would be stridently against lots of the things that the true believer Muslims, the exact sort who would wear the hijabs, and so on, would be saying.

And yet they those people were sort of also held up as sort of unassailable, ever victimized, morally perfect, groups. It’s like the behaviour and the claimed beliefs don’t match. So it’s a little chink in the armour where you can get people to start to think a bit more, right?

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Morgoth: Yeah. I mean, the original title that I saw proposed was “Why I Hate”. Now that actually sounds a bit much, but it gets back to some early blogs that I did when I got into what we’re talking about now.

And one of them which kind of just turned me into an outright White nationalist, was – even though like I still didn’t have the materials and all this. But in those days I worked and I was out and about in Europe all the time. And then I was on Facebook on the BNP group. And this was Morgoth germinating.

And one of the things that happened was that I got sent really gruesome pornographic videos off, let’s say Asian males from the Yorkshire area, where they were, … Well, I don’t think I have to go into details. But it was videos of grooming, to be honest. And it was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in my life.

Luke: Hmm.

Morgoth: And by that time I’d kind of got a love-hate relationship with one of the Leftists. And I showed her the video, which was unbelievably grotesque! But it was an out-group being triumphalist over English girls in Yorkshire! Like explicitly triumphalist and demeaning them in the worst possible ways!

So I send this video to the Lefty. And I say:

“This is what you’re doing!”

And it was just brushed away as:

“Well, you know, girls are just like that these days.”

And I was like:

“What the hell! Like, look at it!”

And so then it became where these, for whatever reason they are, these people are just utterly sick! Utterly sick!

Luke: And this is what we in retrospect can now, … Well you saw it perhaps at the time, but certainly it’s increasingly coming to light that these supposedly high minded moral crusaders on the Left were actually, in fact, covering for some of the most reprehensible and hateful behaviour that you could ever hear of! Some of the most evil people perpetuating some of the worst atrocities in your own country.

And yet the people who are aware of it, for reasons of political correctness, are not able to, are actually allowing it to continue, and protecting the perpetrators.

And anybody who hears about this and doesn’t have an immediate moral repulsion towards those groups, I think is in some ways they have to be considered to be also stained by, … These crimes are so horrible that to be in any way not criticizing, not standing up for the true victims in all this, right, the people who were being groomed and trafficked, and so on, … Like it’s not enough to simply see it happening and do nothing. You have to take a stand, regardless of the optics. Sorry, that’s just a, …

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Morgoth: Yeah. Because okay, I didn’t expect them. So I gave the Unite Against Fascism that video, that footage. I didn’t expect them to be like me. I didn’t expect them to, by that time, have the views that I’d developed. But I at least expected them to be in a liberal kind of:

“Well, we don’t want anybody being racist. But this is also disgusting. And we are against that, as well.”

And the impression that I got was that these White people just hate White people! And so be it!

And I also realized that I despise them more than the actual perpetrators, because I understand how men think. I understand how men operate. I understand that they will be triumphalist over an out-group if they have the chance. I’ve been around, I’ve seen it! So that side of it wasn’t complicated.

The problem was the Lefties themselves. I just found them absolutely grotesque! Like spiritually rotten! That to me was the real problem. I could understand men, tribes of men, dominating the weaker parts of another group. That’s basic old stuff! But then how the hell do you explain when you’ve got like middle-class British people having such hatred and contempt for their own kind!

Luke: So let’s talk now about what happened in your mind between, so let’s say the last four years, of approaching and coming into “Coofland”.

Morgoth: Well I think, because I was kind of heavily in with the Alt-Right, I suppose. But I’m not an American. So I always had a bit of a distance. And then when that all kind of blew up, you notice how this slips more, and more, under like an online thing [chuckling]. In a way it’s like steadily replacing, …

Me story begins with me wandering Europe with a rucksack. And then, by the time you get into the later stages, it’s like this purely online, changing your opinions and consuming content. Which is what it is.

But basically when the Alt-Right thing blew up I’ve gradually become more, and more, disillusioned with populism. I still held all the same opinions. But it seemed to me that they would just shoot you down! The elites just wouldn’t allow you to have power.

I did an article back in, I think it was like 2016. And it was called something about “The Great Shutdown”. I can’t remember the exact title. It was a blog post that I did at the original Morgoth’s Review blog. I called it “The Meta-politics of the Great Shutdown”. So this is like 2016-2017. And I predicted all of the censorship that was coming in.

And I predicted it, because the point that I made was that if we are right about our analysis of the what the elites are doing, and the power structure, if we are correct, and our tactic is to use the internet to form a kind of mass consciousness which would kind of break the system down and it wouldn’t be able to function, and that we’d have to have some kind of change, … Like if our analysis is correct, they’re going to have to censor us [chuckling]! Because they can’t just sit back and allow us to do it! And then, like quickly, not long after that, all the censorship came in.

And then I realized:

“Yeah. Well, that’s just the way it is.”

And I remember coming across people like Distributist. And I really liked that more, … It was as if I’d gone through a stage of like rage, and just absolutely seething about things. And I like that more nuanced, more thoughtful, … And I was always into reading a lot. And so I began to draw on that more, and more. That’s right now. Like I’ll do movie reviews. But when you go into the back catalog, you’ll see some really spicy stuff.

Luke: [chuckling] What was it then that was appealing, … You were having this kind of rageful experience and you come across Distributist’s channel. What were the new ideas, or the new perspectives, do you think? And how did that sit with you at that time?

[45:31]

Morgoth: Well, I’ll explain. There’s a few videos of his that I came across which were more, it’s more about looking at Western civilization as a whole. And the kind of moral path. The one about Moldbug surprisingly enough, about Cthulhu always swims Left.

Luke: Yes.

Morgoth: So then I was able to get into something else which had always been on my mind and connect it up, which was the technology. And that the technology is affecting us as well. So I began to broaden things out.

And then, in about 2018, I began watching John David Ebert’s like old, really badly recorded, series on Oswald Spengler. And then it was just like that for me was the shit! And it was like all of the questions that I had, it all just kind of like:

“Yeah. This is it! This is what I felt all my life!”

And so I just binged watched the series that he’d done over, and over, again. And then I ordered the books. So then you have a huge framework. And you can put in where you are and like what’s going on in the West, and this kind of thing.

So the old days, when all I had was like Mark Steyn, it was like long gone. You’ve got a much bigger kind of canvas. And you can see where you are on it.

Luke: Yeah. So let’s talk about then, … I feel like one of your takes very early on in the “Coof”, I think you were one of the first people to put forwards this perspective is the idea that there was going to be a drive towards some sort of digital passport, something like that. How did you come to see the world in a way that makes that angle seem like the play? How does that fit in to your understanding of the world?

Morgoth: So that’s a big question! But you can come at it from various different angles. But it was mainly because I’ve been focusing on technology for a while and how intrusive it was coming.

And like just to skip back out into the real world, the job where I was working at the time, driving a forklift in a warehouse, I saw everything being these kind of switch passes. And I saw people having like smart watches which tracked them when they went jogging. Or like people playing with things on their phones. So I saw all of that coming in anyway.

But it was mainly the idea that we could be tracked. I’ve always hated the idea of being tracked. And then it was just a short skip and leap where if all of this starts to be connected up, like that’s not a great thing! Because I was already aware of how toxic all of the big tech companies were.

And you can kind of come in at it with the Spengler angle as well, where this Faustian drive, to never to stop, to always push on further, and further. This obsession with inventing things without really thinking about it.

I watched the video yesterday. I’ve got a YouTube video coming up about Elon Musk. And about why he’s never going to get the Mars. And I’m going to kind of dig into this kind of stuff a bit.

But I saw a painting by William Blake, on a documentary about William Blake, yesterday. And it was his painting of Isaac Newton. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen it?

Luke: Do you want me to bring it up?

Morgoth: Yeah. I should have put it in the chat. I could put it in the chat on Telegram.

Luke: I could probably find it. Keep talking, I’ll google it.

[50:06]

Morgoth: So what you’ll find is that, … So William Blake was very much against the Enlightenment. He loved the imagination, he loved God, he was a very spiritual and religious person. And, of course, Isaac Newton is the complete opposite of that.

So Isaac Newton, of course, is like the quintessential British empiricist. And in the painting that he had, you’ve got Isaac Newton. [image is shown] So yeah, that’s great.

So in this image here and I should have saved this for me video. I’m spoiling my thing here. [chuckling] So you’ve got William Blake this very, very religious, very spiritual orientated person, who sees things in terms of metaphysics and a connection to God. And this is his depiction of Isaac Newton, the quintessential British empiricist.

Now, what do we see? Well, what we see is Newton and that he’s actually he’s got his face buried in his calculator.

Luke: He’s looking down.

Morgoth: He’s looking down and his face is buried with his compass, and he’s obsessing over his calculations. But when you look at the rest of the painting, where is he? Well, he’s actually at the bottom of the ocean. And he’s sitting on quite a pretty kind of coral reef, or something, there.

Now this is very clever and deep I think from William Blake. Because in today’s world Isaac Newton and his approach to the world of rationalism and quantifying everything, it’s a technocratic world view. And William Blake is saying here, he’s so buried in his numbers, and then his number crunching, and his data, that he doesn’t actually realize that he’s at the bottom of an ocean. In other words, he doesn’t realize the world that he’s actually in. He doesn’t understand reality!

And today of course, when you look at the various technocrats that you, what’s it called? Yuram Harari, or whatever. And they’re talking about hacking humans. And they’re talking about chips, and the whole drive towards transhumanism.

Well, that comes out of, that is in a way what Isaac Newton’s legacy is, and people like him. And what’s being taken from the world, it’s as if like Isaac Newton, they don’t really understand the world that they’re in, in a kind of deep spiritual sense. They don’t even know where they are. All they understand is these calculations and these numbers. And William Blake, of course, is pointing this out here. Because William Blake is saying:

“Well, I do see this. I see the beauty and the magic of the world, and Newton doesn’t! Newton just sees his dry calculations.”

And the sad thing is that it’s the Newtons who’ve won out. It’s the Newtons who are behind the digital IDs, and the Coof rule outs, and who are all these NGOs.

I mean, to the point where you just can’t make an argument based on the ideals of William Blake at all! But the problem is in the Newtonian frame, that’s probably wrong, but, you know what I mean.

Luke: Sure.

Morgoth: There’s no poetry to it. There’s no beauty to it. And the problem with that, is that it’s completely lacking in spirit!

And so this is a little teaser for me Elon Musk video that I think I’m gonna do. About whether, or not, he can get himself to Mars? I don’t doubt for a second he can get the resources and the technology. But can’t he get the will to do it?

Because you come back to the basic question of, why go to Mars in the first place? Why would anybody sit for eight years on a spaceship, you know however long it would take, for no reason? Like is it for a financial incentive? Well, in the end there’s not really that great of an incentive for some guy to go to Mars, with all of the danger. Something breaks down you’re dead! And it could be a long and painful death.

[54:56]

But the thing is it’s like Elon Musk, all he has to work with is the tools of the compass and the data. But what he’s trying to do relies on a higher reality, a higher drive to have in the world. And he is also at the same time destroying that still further, along with the rest of the technocrats.

Luke: Hmm.

Morgoth: So it’s as if they’re going to have to choose. And they can’t have it both ways. They can’t reduce everybody to these widgets, where we’re sitting in our pods eating synthetic meat. And then at the same time expect to have these grandiose kind of ambitious plans to conquer Mars, or whatever.

Luke: It feels like we’ve been put in a position where we’ve been forced into this posture, and told to be Isaac Newton here. Like a net’s been put over us. And you’re not allowed to experience the beauty of the natural world. You must marvel only at man-made creations inside this little sphere within your grasp.

Morgoth: Yeah. Look how small it is that he’s looking at. Now, of course, there’s a kind of hubris to it, where they are thinking:

“Well the human brain, we’ve catalogued all of the molecules. And all of your DNA. All of the your blood cells. We’ve got all of this kind of down. And you with your old superstitious ideas of beauty, this is all mumbo jumbo!”

And yet you can see in William Blake’s kind of vision here, he views them as being the ones who can’t see, or at least they can only see a very small fraction.

Luke: This is the part that’s illuminated the work he’s looking on. Because he’s not bothered to go and explore and illuminate. It’s just a big mystery, the kind of darkness. Like:

“What’s that outside of the human brain? Well, who cares, because you can live in a box and talk to one another on computers!”

And yeah, I feel like the Muskian vision, the kind of heroism of:

“Let’s go to Mars!”

Is admirable, right? The let’s do something not just because it’s, … I mean, sitting in a rocket and putting up with the difficult conditions to get there. It’s like an adventure, a challenging physical thing that’s difficult, but you achieve greatness by confronting those difficulties!

Morgoth: But the problem is the materialist kind of view of man is one where you end up just as being in the pod, with enough to eat, your UBI [Universsal Basic Income], your digital currency, your sustainable fake meat. And all of this kind of thing. Because you don’t need anything more than that. If you’re bored, we’ll hook you up to the Metaverse.

Luke: Right!

Morgoth: And you can watch porn. And all of this. But this, of course, is to say that there’s no such thing as a human spirit of any kind. You’re just an animal to be fed like a cooped up battery hen. And you can’t then turn around and say:

“Now we need a heart!”

In the old days it would be conquering the northwest passage, or trekking across the mountains. It’s like the thing about, we used to say, because it’s only really Europeans who had a thing about mountain climbing. And they would say like:

“Well, why bother to climb the mountain?”

And then there’s that famous thing.:

“Well, it’s because it’s there! Because it has to be done!”

And implicit in that you’ve got this drive and this spirit to do it. But the technology that people like Elon Musk are developing, the Neural Links, it simultaneously crushes that drive and that spirit.

So they can’t have it both ways. And they’re going to have to decide. They’re going to have to spend their resources on giving us healthy societies back, which can actually achieve wonders again.

But as it stands now they are more interested in, yeah, just enslaving us and having us on a Social Credit grid, like chickens in a battery.

[59:53]

Luke: There’s one last topic I’d like to talk with you about briefly. You mentioned at the beginning of the stream the passing of your, well I don’t know if you’ve wanted to talk about who it was. But you had a recent bereavement and wrote very touchingly on your Substack about the subject of mortality, loss of friends, this kind of thing. Would you like to say a word, or two, about that? And what your thoughts are in that realm?

Morgoth: Well, I thought it was, … I mean, if you sign up to my Substack, it’s just five dollars a month. And that’s my hub. So everything that I do goes on there. If you like what I do.

In the online Right there’s plenty politics, there’s plenty political theory, and philosophising, kind of like what we were just doing there. [chuckling] But there’s this kind of reluctance, I think, to death. And when you get a little bit older, like I am, the amount of people that you’ve known in your life who like die, that increases quite a lot! And I wanted to do that article as if to tell people what they can expect beyond just platitudes.

Because the point that I explored was that when you grew up with your peers you kind of expect that all people will die. But then you among your friends, in my case it was a cousin, and a friend. And he’d been very ill for a long time after a motorbike crash. And he passed away in his sleep this week. And now the thing is at the beginning of the stream I was talking about all of the backpacking and the traveling that I did. That was all with him! And somebody else.

And so what’s weird is that when you begin to look back on your life, kind of reminiscing and memories, that gets to a point when like you’re the only person left alive, who’s actually experienced that. And you’re looking back. And I don’t want to be too kind of maudlin about it. But your history becomes full of ghosts in a way. Or it becomes where, because there’s nobody left to talk to about all the great times that you’ve had, your life experiences get kind of kicked into this abstract face space, which only now exists in your head.

And it’s been a shock to me, because I’m not that old! But the amount of suicides, and premature deaths. And I didn’t expect this many people who I grew up with to die so early.

Luke: Yes. So it’s a tough topic, but one that, I think, it’s a mistake that our culture doesn’t, it just refuses to touch. It’s like it’s not preparing us any better for facing the inevitable challenge of facing mortality by just simply pretending that it doesn’t exist.

Maybe that’s the theme for the whole stream, is the inability that we have in our culture to have difficult conversations, is childish. But it has real consequences where we don’t think things through. And then we’re suddenly slammed in the face by what the world actually consists of.

Morgoth: Yeah. It’s like a hard stop! The people that you talked, because now it’s kind of worse. Because people who are in their early 20s, or whatever. And like what do they call it? Like “permanently online”, or some phrase, the “extremely online”, or something. From what I can gather they live through the iPhone. They live in cyber space. And they are like a disembodied consciousness rubbing up against other disembodied consciousness within the internet.

Now, you know, Elon Musk and the boys have done a great deal with their technology and all this. But at least for the time being that’s still attached to a physical person in the real world. And that person will die one day! Some of them are going to die prematurely.

[65:01]

I mean, I’ve read that Facebook has like 17 million accounts on its site. A huge, huge, millions, and tens of millions of Facebook profiles. And the people have died! There’s like nothing behind it anymore. So they just kind of exist. I’ve got friends, nobody knows what the passwords are, so you still get a notification when it’s their birthday and all this kind of thing. It’s kind of warped! Because it’s not natural.

People in the past they didn’t have to deal with that. This would be completely alien to somebody in the 1990s, or the 1980s. But you just kind of get used to it. But the hard stop is that in meat space it will happen. And it’s important to carry on that it’s important to live in the real world.

Luke: Hmmm. Well, I’m sadly, because of the number of streams I’m doing I’m limited to an hour for each guest. Was there any last thoughts you had that you wanted to share, or things you want to point people to, just as we finish?

Morgoth: Not really. I mean, I just keep showing me Substack. Because if I disappear off YouTube. Like Substack works. When I do something and I post it, you get an email. And so I’ve come back to writing. I like doing that. And there’s tons of stuff up there already about different things that you’ll not find anywhere else. And that’s about it. Really, I’m a fairly simple fella.

Luke: Thank you so much for joining me Morgoth. And I’m finishing each stream in Lambster by reading a few verses from one of the Gospels. And we’re tracing through the Passion narrative, the story of Easter. So I’m going to finish the stream with a few verses.

Morgoth: Thank you very much for having me on.

Luke: And when they had sung a hymn, they went out onto the Mount of Olives. Then saith Jesus unto them:

“All ye shall be offended in me this night. For it is written I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. But after I am raised up, I will go before you into Galilee.”

But Peter answered and said unto him:

“If all shall be offended in thee, I will never be offended!”

Jesus said unto him:

“Verily, I say unto thee that this night, before the cock crows, thousand shalt deny me thrice.”

Peter saith unto him:

“Even if I must die with thee, yet I will not deny thee.”

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YouTube Comments

69 comments

Jeebus Chabatty
17 hours ago
Yet to hear a Morgoth interview that isn’t riveting. Kudos to both here
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Vingul
1 day ago (edited)
Just listening back as you finished up. Morgoth lore is very welcome.
22:50 reminds me of Morgoth’s «Hammad» story from years ago.
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Travis Happy
1 day ago
Morgoth is one of the best in the business.
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Andrew Jackson
Andrew Jackson
16 hours ago
One of? Can’t think of any better!
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ScarlettAnneP
1 day ago
Very high quality interviews here lately. You’ve got yourself a new subscriber.
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Running Free
12 hours ago
Excellent! Especially love the talk about William Blake towards the end. One of my favorite artists.
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United States of Post America
10 hours ago
Interesting he says it was not the Internet but real life that brought him to his current position.
Same as my experience the Internet just explained things I was already witnessing and thinking about.
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Lucy Robin
5 hours ago
Morgoth is the epitome of honesty.
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Jux Interior
15 hours ago
Great interview Lambda, you’re doing great work mate.
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Athan
11 hours ago
Newton was a mystic, an alchemist, and a devout Christian. Your description of him doesn’t do him justice.
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raspberry treacle
9 hours ago
This is good. Exactly what I want to here thank you gentlemen
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bond
16 hours ago
Hope morgoth doesnt end up doxing himself with these lore reveals, as interesting as they are….
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Wandering Panda
1 day ago
Thank you gents!
That was the perfect accompanist to appreciate while butchering some rabbits.
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skadi warrior
7 hours ago
I think we’re all travelling down that same road as Morgoth and ending up in the same place. I’m going to call it Morgoth Square; where all roads meet.
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Malhaus
3 hours ago
Thank you, loving the channel, came here for the Morgoth, stayed for both.
My mind’s been full of Peter lately. This is probably a trite observation and risks just being superstitious ‘numerology’, but my gut says no………… it’s this:
Christ fell thrice with His burden. Peter felt it.
It’s no mistake that it’s Peter who welcomes the faithful to paradise: if anyone can empathise with the shock and shame of being saved, it’s him. I imagine him saying “don’t cry, look: if I’m here…………”
It’s a deep part of the mystery of this time of year but part of our submission to God is our spiritual failure itself.
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The Cutest Club!
9 hours ago
The part about the grooming gang made me break a knuckle.
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Adeimantus
10 hours ago
Can confirm that Erbert’s series has exceptionally bad boomer audio—i’m still going to watch it.
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Forsaken Wanderer
1 hour ago
Morgoth is a rare case of someone who takes things seriously, in a world of jokes and irony it is a breath of fresh air to listen to someone who could of stepped out of a time portal from an era when men were men.

Good Lookin’ Out Homie
18 hours ago
Doing the Lord’s work (so to speak) Lambda. Woes must be getting a little nervous
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Spartacus
1 day ago
Very good, high quality stuff.
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Duckling sisters
1 day ago
When Europe returns to being dark, starving and freezing after Putin turns off the energy we will see how much fun the immigrants are having.
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berlingoful
berlingoful
4 hours ago
Wouldn’t that be a silver lining! One can hope they all pick up and leave. Keep moving.

Leon Rhodes
17 hours ago
Great chat gents keep up the good work .
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Joe R
13 hours ago (edited)
Newton spent more time trying to contact angels than doing science as we would recognise it now. But I suppose magic is the materialist’s spirituality in some ways.
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William Branch
11 hours ago (edited)
… no poetry to it – Morgoth. Poetic spirit hardly exist in America today.
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Daneo
46 minutes ago
Appreciated the Morgoth genesis story!

Rebecca Smith
18 hours ago
why-aye-man!! Love Morgoth’s accent
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vulpespersona
50 minutes ago
Lucifer, the lightbringer. He can’t help but bring light to himself. His darkness of vision illuminates him, to the initiated.

caleb
1 day ago
Forklift certified
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Patricius vun Kempen
16 hours ago
I refuse to belief that Newton was this jacked
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Xstatik
Xstatik
7 hours ago
Make the most of this channel before it gets removed
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Dissident Nomad
14 hours ago
Morgoth’s lore is much appreciated but his boneheaded racism really isn’t

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An Fómhar
14 hours ago
Let us know exactly where in the video he is exhibiting ‘boneheaded racism’…
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Dissident Nomad
10 hours ago (edited)
@An Fómhar “l don’t like them here, l don’t want them here”, anything that isn’t white he, seemingly, hates. It’s kind of obscene really

Dissident Nomad
10 hours ago
I didn’t know Lambda’s channel had been hijacked by the hard right

Adeimantus
10 hours ago
@Dissident Nomad What’s wrong with wanting a home for your people?
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Dissident Nomad
7 hours ago
@Adeimantus Absolutely nothing Adeimantus l just don’t think people should go round using broad brushstrokes and lumping everyone into the same group simply because we aren’t white even though l, for example, share Morgoth’s and presumably your disgust at grooming gangs and even demographic replacement. There is much more nuance to this than a lot of people appreciate l find.
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Northern Observer
5 hours ago
When mass immigration has ended in Europe we will have the luxury of toleration and benevolence.
Until then xenophobia is simply self preservation for European peoples.
Do you want Europe to survive?
Then support Europe for the Europeans.
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Adolfthejewbaka _
1 day ago
Merry lambster
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Riley Frost
16 hours ago
Morgoth!
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Raygun9000
17 hours ago
woah- that cut off abruptly.
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William Branch
11 hours ago
Yes, Lambda is a preacher, not a web site editor

J R Hartley
6 hours ago
Becky from Carlisle and her Brexit brood
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Patricius vun Kempen
17 hours ago
Danemark, i think actualy has had some colonys even in the carabean, also norway was under danish domination, and island i think
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Vingul
15 hours ago
Yes, they did have some tiny colonies. This is being used against Norwegians as well, because we were in a «union» (and of course much of the fleet was Norwegian) despite the fact that we were in fact under Danish rule, known as «the 400-year night».
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William Branch
11 hours ago
American Virgin Islands were Danish.

Michael Pagan
1 day ago
Are you listening Jordan Peterson?
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Jeebus Chabatty
17 hours ago
He’s too busy making his bed.
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Morgoths Dutch Lesbian Friend
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festus bojangles
16 hours ago
this guy stutters and stumbles too much. very hard to listen to

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An Fómhar
13 hours ago
You referring to Lambda or Morgoth? Not quite sure where you’re getting this from..
Both are a lot more articulate and confident in their speaking than the average person.
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festus bojangles
12 hours ago
@An Fómhar lambda

Adeimantus
11 hours ago
@festus bojangles He was having a little trouble starting today, i do agree.

An Fómhar
10 hours ago (edited)
@festus bojangles perhaps here and there he takes some time to get to the point but remember he doesn’t know exactly where the conversation will go and so has to adapt and readjust on the fly, that’s not easy, most of us would struggle to do it fluently. In the circumstances I think Lambda does a very good job here.

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Okay guys, hello!

So I’m a little bit excited at the moment and also a little bit sad at the moment, for very different reasons. Why am I excited? I’m excited, because I can see that the Daily Stormer has finally, finally, finally raised some money! For with it’s campaign to raise donations for the legal fight against the Jews, in the upcoming battle.

So I’m really, really happy about this. This is something which I’ve been talking about for a long time. I even made an entire video about it. Quite a lengthy video about it called, “Pepe will destroy the information industry”. Unfortunately this was taken down from YouTube and I reloaded it and then they took it down again, straight away!

But this has been a question which has been in the back of my mind for a long time. If you can’t fund the world’s most successful and most radical White Nationalist website, then how is White Nationalism going to succeed?

And I know that the donations that have been given to the Daily Stormer at the moment are specifically for the legal fund, but anyway, it’s the same thing. They’ve raised money! Andrew Anglin has been trying for a long, long time to raise money. And now he’s finally done it! Specifically with the help of this website called, “wesearchr.com”. I don’t really know the details behind it, but whatever whatever the case is, they’ve, you can use your Visa, you can use your credit card and donate money. And they will give it to Andrew Anglin. So they’ve finally, finally crossed this bridge! I’m really happy about this!

This is a real positive thing for the future. But, unfortunately at the same time I’m a little bit sad and I’ll explain why. The thing is, basically I saw the fundamental ng campaign, I saw that it’s been successful. They’ve raised $100,000 already, in the space of, what has it been, I don’t know. A week? So I’m thinking,

“Wow! That’s a really great! That’s really working!”

And my thought was, immediately, perhaps we could use this type of method to raise money for Morgoth’s Review? Because, as people who follow my channel may know, I do do a podcast with Sven Longshanks for Radio Aryan. It’s called SS Britannia. And this podcast is hosted on Morgoth’s Review’s blog.

And for some time now I’ve been talking about the necessity of making Morgoth’s, or helping Morgoth’s Review go full-time. He wants to go full-time. He’s probably the most popular outright blogger in the UK. His comment sections are extremely popular! His essays are very, very good, but unfortunately he’s, you know, he’s working a full-time job and he only gets to do two articles a week now. And he’s really pushed for time. He’s really struggling.

So, he wants to go full-time and my original proposal, which I said on SS Britannia. My original proposal was that if we could find, say, if we get a 100 men to give ten pound a month, that would be 1,000 pound a month, that would be 12,000 pound a year. If it’s 150 men then that would be about 18,000 pound a year. And 18,000 a year is just about enough to survive on in the UK. It’s not enough to raise a family. I don’t know if Morgoth’s got a family, or not. If you want a family, then 200 people, 10 pound a month, 24,000 pounds a year.

So this was my proposal. I put this forward on SS Britannia. And I pleaded with the followers of Morgoth to donate! And I myself am donating to Morgoth’s, with a credit card. I’m giving to him with Direct Debit. I’m giving him ten pounds a month. But, unfortunately [laughing] nobody took the bait! Nobody! I don’t know, people aren’t interested. People don’t want to donate. I don’t know why, people aren’t interested. I don’t know why they didn’t take the bait!

So, I’m looking at this donation drive, that the Daily Stormer has finally succeeded in doing for the legal costs. I’m thinking, well maybe this is just more appealing to human instinct. I don’t know. Let’s say, … Here’s an idea, I’m just going to put it out there.

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Let’s say Morgoth says, “I need 18,000 pounds to go full-time for a year.” And we have a donation drive on WeSearchr, and you raise the money. And then Morgoth goes full time for a year. So, instead of handing over 10 pound a month you just give him a 100 pounds in one shot, like that. Maybe that’s more appealing to human psychology, because it’s more of an event, like a “happening”. I don’t know. It’s more exciting, perhaps. I don’t know.

So, I was all excited about that and I was thinking about that, and then I was talking to Sven about it on Skype. And he pointed me in the direction of a a forum on the internet called, “Purity Spiral”. Looks like a pretty good forum., but anyway, on this forum there’s a thread, they were talking about “Azzmador”.  Azzmador apparently is one of the writers for the Daily Stormer. Apparently [he] got upset a week ago, or a couple of weeks ago, because nobody was donating for his podcast, “The Krypto Report”. He was asking for donations, nobody’s giving any money. I don’t know. I don’t really know the details to be honest with you. And he got annoyed by it and; blah, blah, blah, blah!

And they were talking about this and I was reading the comments and it seems like the people on the thread were in a general agreement that donating money to podcasts and to Alt-Right bloggers and content creators, … They seem to think that it’s a waste of time, for some reason! Now, I don’t know if this is just this particular forum, but, you know, I was talking to Sven. And Sven was kind of saying:

“People just don’t want to give the money”.

Like I say, I’ve been saying to the people of Morgoth’s Review. I’ve been saying, give them ten pound a month! Right? Thousands of people read Morgoth’s blog! All you need is a 100 men to give Morgoth, or let’s say 150 men give him 10 pound a month and he can go full-time!

But people don’t want to do it. There’s some kind of block in the back of their mind. And they’re donating now to the Daily Stormer and it’s a great breakthrough. I’m really happy about it, but still it’s specifically for a legal fund. Not actually Anglin saying, you know, we need money for the next year, like to fund us for a year. It’s for a legal fund, so it’s not exactly breaking through the donation barrier.

So that’s it! Yeah, I’m happy and I’m sad at the same time. I think we need to really, really look, … We need to understand that without donations, without a fully funded White Nationalist movement, in whatever form it takes, we will not succeed! And we need full-time White nationalists, who are 100% dedicated to the cause. And this could be bloggers, or it can even be somebody like Jez Turner in England, who is England’s number one White nationalist political activist at this time. He organizes the London Forum. He doesn’t have his own blog, but he works really hard to organize the London Forum. He could go full-time if we could arrange it, but people don’t want to give the money! It looks like it. I don’t know! Maybe it’s a lack of organization.

Looking at the comments on this thread it seems like people think it’s a waste of time! It seems like people think that White nationalists should have a day job and White nationalism should just be part time. Let me point out to you that this is not how the jews work. And it’s not how the Muslims work. And it’s not how the “Establishment” works. They have full-time activists. They’ve got the BBC! [laughing]

What’s the BBC? It’s a media channel which is dedicated to genociding the White race! Right? All these media channels are the same thing. All of these NGOs, they’re all doing the same thing! Full-time dedicated to genociding in the White race!

So we need the same thing! To push back at them! We need people that work hard all day long to push back at them! And people say:

“Well the money’s not there. There’s not enough people in the Alt-Right”.

Well, the idea is, that you create a positive spiral, not a negative spiral. A positive spiral!

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The idea is, let’s say, for example, Morgoth’s Review, right? It goes full-time. The blog is going to get even bigger, more people are going to read it and then more people will come into White Nationalism. And then there will be more people to donate! Basically, the more full-time White nationalist activists you have the more activity they’re going to be able to perform and then the more people you’re going to bring into the movement. It’s a positive cycle!

It’s also a positive cycle on a deeper level, because I do believe that human beings in general are motivated by greed. And the jews understand this. They understand it very well. That’s why they’re masters of the political realm, because they bribe everybody. But it seems to me that although White nationalists have a very canny understanding of human nature they seem to miss the point that greed is such a great motivator. People are not motivated generally by high and lofty ideals. They’re motivated by what’s going to be helpful for their life. What’s going to help them. But instead, White nationalists, they just say to people:

“Sacrifice everything! Take a massive risk! Sacrifice yourself!”

I mean, it is all very good, some people will do it, but you’re never going to get a lot of people doing that.

What do I mean, by this? I mean, by this is, that if we create a culture where people do donate to projects like the Daily Stormer, like Morgoth’s Review, like Jez Turner. If we create a culture where White nationalists do support full-time White nationalist activists, then more people will be willing to step up and take part in the fight! Why? Because of human greed! Who would not want to be a fully paid White nationalist activist? It sounds great, fighting against the government!

And, you know, that may say sound a little crass. I don’t know. It seems to me that people are infected by this mentality of:

“Do it for your country! Sacrifice everything for your country!”

I don’t know if this is really an Aryan thing, or this is something which the jews have imposed upon us?

For example, look at the British Empire, which was built primarily for the sake of the Rothschild bank and it’s rich, … You know, I’m proud of it, but it was a mixed bag! A lot of people suffered. A lot of White people suffered with high taxation to maintain that Empire., but look at the way they treated the British military. Look at the way that you have these young men, they’re inspired and the Jews they suck them in, they tell them to sacrifice everything for their country and then they spit them out!

John Friend: All right folks. Welcome back to another edition of the Realist Report. This is your host John Friend.

Joining me today is Tanstaafl, who maintains the excellent website Age of Treason. Tanstaafl is one of the most insightful and articulate commentators in the alternative independent media today, especially when it comes to the jewish problem. A topic that we will be discussing at length during this podcast.

Tan, thanks for joining me. How are you today, sir?

Tanstaafl: Good John. I’m just getting over a cold as you know. But feeling much better today.

John Friend: Well, you sound fine and, you know, if you’ve got to sneeze, or cough, or anything, …

Tanstaafl: I may! [laughing]

John Friend: … Just put yourself on mute and I’m sure we can deal with it.

Thanks for coming on the program. Last time you were on was actually a year ago, exactly. I was just looking at my website, and one year ago, today. Well, I guess when I post this program, which will be technically tomorrow, December 7th. You were on. And I had been wanting to interview you for a long time because I followed your work for a number of years and listened to pretty much all of your podcasts. And you’ve been a big influence in my thinking, especially when it comes to racial issues and, of course, the jewish problem.

So, just to get started, could you talk about what you’ve been up to lately? I know you were recently shoahed from Twitter. So you are no longer on Twitter, but I see you’ve been blogging a lot lately. So, why don’t you just tell us what you’ve been up to.

Tanstaafl: Well, yeah, I wouldn’t call it a lot. I’ve actually been pretty inactive for the last year. Actually, it started even before I talked to you last.

But, I’ve been active mostly on Twitter. I had stopped blogging so much. Before I had been in the habit of posting about once a week, once every couple of weeks, and it really dropped off to almost nothing.

But Twitter is, … It wasn’t because I was not paying attention to what was going on and didn’t have thoughts. It was just because I was expressing myself mainly through Twitter. Which is really a different form of media. It’s like, it’s been called a “micro blog”, and that is really a good description for it.

So, instead of writing these long posts on a blog, you write little snippets of thoughts that fit in 140 characters. And you can whip them off pretty quickly, and in response to lots of different stories. So it’s becomes addictive! You know, you’re sitting there paying attention to what’s going on in the news, what everybody’s excited about and you have some insight into it, or you just want to bring it to other people’s attention and you comment on it.

And the big problem with it, as I found out — I was well aware I was just wondering when it would happen — but I found out a couple of weeks ago right, you know, few weeks after the election. When Twitter decides that you’re too much of a problem, they can just delete your account and it’s as if you never existed.

So, I don’t really plan on going back, as useful as I found it. Most of the value was, for me, besides sharing thoughts with other like minds, was, … What I found on Twitter was that basically the enemy is using it as a communication platform. Very similar to what was uncovered back several years ago. I think 2012 election cycle. The journalist email list that they used to use back then — it might have been even 2008 cycle? I can’t recall now. It was quite a while ago.

But basically before Twitter existed, the jews and the jews media, and their fellow travellers, used to communicate with each other via a private email list, that was invite only. But it was a massive number of people. And when it was uncovered and the e-mails were shared by somebody, it was shocking to a lot of people. That these people were colluding and, you know, coming up with a shared narrative about how to deal with certain scandals that broke.

And we’ve seen it again in this election cycle with the Wiki Leaks thing, I mean there was there was a bit of that.

But every day on Twitter — and you don’t even have to have an account on Twitter — you can sign up. And the main reason to sign up is so you can make a list. But even if you don’t sign up for Twitter you can just go to these different accounts one by one and look at what they’re saying. It’s convenient when you make a list, because it basically mashes them all together. And that’s one of the first things I did after they kicked me off. I just created a dummy account so that I could create a list of all these jews media jews, so that I could see what they were chattering about, what they were screeching about today. And so basically it’s what they call that, “opposition research”? Sure, it’s very effective for that.

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John Friend: Yeah and you can kind of see how they sort of collude to control the narrative in a way that advance specifically jewish interests. And it doesn’t matter if they’re on the Left, or the Right, you know, so-called Left and Right, you know, jews always operate and collude together to advance specifically jewish interests. And in many cases they’re very blatant and out in the open with it.

Tanstaafl: Yeah. You can see a difference between the Left and Right jews — the Conservatives and liberals — and how they kind of pose and posture, as opponents. But then on Twitter, you know, they’re part of a team. They’ll argue with each other on Twitter as well.

But, what I’ve noticed is this, and it was even before Twitter, of course, that I noticed this, but, on Twitter you can see it developing in real time. This cycle that they get into. This positive feedback cycle where one jew will start screeching about something that’s going on, … Steve Bannon is a good — the “Bannocaust” that I wrote about just recently — was a good example of what was happening just as I got kicked off of Twitter.

Some jew, I noticed, was saying:

“Steve Bannon, it’s incredible that he’s been appointed to this position of power. He’s a horrible anti-Semite!”

And then, other jews pick this up and they all start, you know, screeching in unison on Twitter! And this was all the day before it all came out in public stories that they wrote for their jews media corporations, and were actually published in papers and online zines, and so forth. That toned down that the jewish aspect of it for public consumption.

They, instead of describing Bannon as a horrible anti-Semite, they emphasized and said that he was a:

“White supremacist, White nationalist, racist, bigot, whatever!”

But you could see on Twitter, twenty four hours before that broke out in the mainstream media and took it to public attention, how they had colluded on this very jewish attitude about Bannon. And it was all about the jews from their point of view.

John Friend: Right. And it always is. And I was following that story, you know, when it first broke. And, as you said, they were, there were literally hundreds of articles about how Bannon was this anti-Semite, and a racist, and a leader of the Alt-Right, etc.

And I mean, even the ADL had to sort of come out and backtrack on all that and say:

“Well, you know, maybe this guy really isn’t an anti-Semite. But he’s still bad! Trump is still bad!”

So I mean, it’s just amazing how they, … Truly, I mean they are very delusional! These people are just totally delusional.

Tanstaafl: Well, it was very much like the “Hagelocaust”, back when Chuck Hagel was nominated for Secretary of Defense. I forget the year, it was couple years ago. Obama nominated him. And he was, you know, a centrist Republican, but kind of anti-war. And he had made statements in the past. One in particular sticks out in my mind that he had said that:

“I’m a Senator of the United States, not a Senator of Israel.”

When he was pushed on some issue about protecting Israel, or something.

And what happened when he was nominated, the same thing. The jews, basically in private, started making a stink about it and it rose and rose, the crescendo rose until it broke out into the mainstream media as these charges against Hagel. That he’s unfit for the job, he cannot do it!

Now in the end, Hagel got appointed and passed, but he first had to go and on bended knee, apologize to the jews for ever saying anything negative about them and promised that he was going to be the best Secretary of Defense for Israel, that he could be.

And that’s what I pointed out at the time was, you know, here are two groups of jews. There were jews for him and jews against him. But the basis for their argument was that he’s “good for the jews”. Both sides had a different opinion about it, but that was the basis, the common ground, that they were arguing on. It was totally jewish! And totally about what’s best for the jews, what’s best for Israel, not what’s best for United States. Even as a abstract idea.

And I saw the same thing with the “Bannonocaust”. It was a bunch of jews arguing about whether he was good, or bad for the jews.

John Friend: Right. And isn’t it amazing how, … I mean we see this all the time, you know, anytime anyone says anything even slightly critical of jews, or makes simple, basic, factual statements, about jews and their power and influence and their agenda, you know, that’s anti-Semitism to these people! That is paranoia and conspiracy theories.

And really, they’ve been so effective at preventing people from openly discussing their power and influence, even when jews themselves, openly write about it and openly talk about it.

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I mean, this is something that you’ve been doing for quite a while, just, you know, quoting jews. And as you said, you go on Twitter and you see what they’re talking about. You see how they’re trying to frame issues, and how they’re colluding with other jews to frame things to advance specifically jewish interests.

And yet, if you notice these things, if you scholarly document them and comment on them, you’re:

“A hater. You’re paranoid. You’re delusional. You’re a conspiracy theorist!”

It’s really amazing! I mean, to me, it’s so amazing that they’ve been able to do this for so long and to prevent any, you know, rational inquiry, any rational discussion of the jews and of their power and influence. It really blows my mind! I mean, to me it’s so ridiculous and just childish that we can’t even openly talk about these things.

Tanstaafl: Well first of all, it is a conspiracy. They do conspire for their own interests, as a group. So, it’s kind of a bad joke that they have created this term “conspiracy theory” and associated it with people being insane, for basically, ….

What it means, “conspiracy theory”, this is a term, if it wasn’t coined by Karl Popper it was popularized by him in a paper years ago. Karl Popper is a famous jew philosopher. He’s also the source of this “Open Society” thing that George Soros pushes today. But, Karl Popper talked about conspiracy theory and I think — he was speaking in pretty coded language — but basically it means:

“The goyim know! Shut it down!”

John Friend: Right!

Tanstaafl: You know, in contemporary terms.

John Friend: Right!

Tanstaafl: Conspiracy theory is is the term that jews use and they use it every day. This is another term I see popping up on the jew Twitter, every day, multiple times. Any time they think that the goyim are becoming aware of something. They call that a “conspiracy theory”, right!

Now, us “goyim” think of the term in more general terms. That it just means any kooky theory, any stupid, crazy, theory that, you know, maybe goes off into the weeds of the details of some obscure, you know, maybe even unimportant thing. That’s what the term means to us.

But, it means that because the jews have imparted that meaning to it by implying that anyone talking about the jews specifically, but anything that even hints at it, or touches on the jews is a, quote, unquote, “conspiracy theory”..

The word conspiracy, it’s a legal term, it actually has a legal meaning. But it has a more, you know, … The legal meaning is that you actually, like two, or more people are actually planning to do something illegal. Right. That’s a legal conspiracy.

But, the term in common parlance just means doing something untoward, something, you know, negative, something bad. And it’s more loose. It doesn’t have to necessarily be illegal. And, in fact, the jews have so much power that basically what they do is legal! They’re able to do what they do, most of it, anyway, legally.

And what they focus on today — they’ve got so much power — is making what we do, illegal! So that we can’t even speak about what they’re doing, without it being defined as “hate speech”, and criminalized.

John Friend: Right! Exactly! And I mean, you know, on Twitter, I’m sure you were banned, in part, because you were making factual statements and observations about jews, and their very openly anti-White agenda.

Tanstaafl: Yeah it was the words, “kikeservative”, “faggot” [laughing] “nigger”. You know, I used a couple of different slurs that I probably could have got my message across, while avoiding them.

Although “kikeservative” I think is, I would defend that term, because even though, you know, most people might recoil at it. It is actually very descriptive word of what’s what’s going on. It’s more descriptive than “cuckservative”, which I’m also happy to use. But it’s a little too broad.

You know, a lot of people use the term “cuckservative” and they really, I don’t think that they appreciate the analogy that’s being implied there. That, you know, the cuckoo bird and parasitism, basically, that we talked about last time. And to call it “kikeservative” to call somebody who is basically serving the jews, a “kikeservative” really puts a fine point on, you know, on the word “cuckservative”. Instead of just calling them a cuck, which means that any nonwhite they might be serving, you know, it’s putting the focus more on the main non-White power that is actually puppeteering most of the other non-Whites. And sharing their playbook with them.

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John Friend: So, basically it’s a more precise analysis, a more precise definition of other cuckservatives, of these Republicans. And I mean, even, I guess, Democrats to a certain extent, literally selling out their own people to advance jewish interests.

And, of course, jews are behind all the other minority groups. They always organize them and, you know, fight for civil rights and all this other nonsense. That goes all the way back to the fifty’s and sixty’s they’ve been doing that. And we still see it today with illegal immigration, and transgenderism now, like homosexuality, …

Tanstaafl: “Black Live Matter” is a direct analogy. If you weren’t alive back during Civil Rights, you can see what’s happening with the Black Lives Matter thing. The kind of role that the jews play is to amplify and broadcast their message. And to put a positive spin on it. To put it out there, in front of people, in a sympathetic way.

If they don’t like something, like say, the Alt-Right, neo-Nazism or, you know, even just White Identity, they put it out there with a negative spin on it, and with obviously anti-pathetic attitudes, and psycho-pathologizing it, too.

You mentioned earlier, having to do with this, … Their tactics of how they deal with criticism. The main way they deal with criticism is to call it “crazy”! They call their enemies “crazy”! And they have specialized in this. I mean, Sigmund Freud is the first and most famous example, the most well known example that pops in the mind, but I’m sure it goes back further than Freud. And it’s certainly since Freud it has become the main tool.

I mentioned already Karl Popper in the “conspiracy theory” thing, but there’s a long history just in this past century of, for instance, the “Authoritarian Personality” from the Cultural Marxist, the Frankfurt School, Adorno, and company.

There’s the “Paranoid Style in American Politics” by Hofstetter who was half jew, a mischling. And then there’s the “Conspiracy Theory of Society” which was written by Popper.

And then, Cass Sunstein, more recently, wrote sort of an updated version of this conspiracy theory paper. Long piece, basically reiterating Popper’s point that, you know, when people come up with these theories about how certain small groups have too much control, and run the media, and run finances, you know, that’s what they mean when they say, “conspiracy theory”. And that is bad for the jews.

He doesn’t put it — neither one of them, Popper, or Sunstein — put it that plainly, but that’s what they’re talking about. And it really came to a point, …

John Friend: That sort of what it amounts to, …

Tanstaafl: At the end of Trump’s campaign.

When he had that infamous commercial. The jews really, drove them nuts! That last commercial he came out with, where he talks about the globalist elite and the globalist media and finance. And then put up at least three jews in the video. That’s why they were flipping out, because “that’s a conspiracy theory!” And you’re trafficking in anti-semitic tropes and conspiracy theories. It’s funny, they expose themselves, basically.

When somebody like Trump, who love the jews, or is a willing servant of the jews, a kikeservative in the true sense of the word. When they suspect that he is actually a secret anti-semite, that’s where it does come across that they are crazy! That they themselves are paranoid and crazy. And what they’re doing is projecting it on to us, when they call us crazy!

John Friend: Right.

Tanstaafl: It’s sick! It’s really sick!

John Friend: It is! And I mean, it’s so bad where now, and I mean, I guess this is been going on for a long time. I mean, literally they view any form of White racial consciousness as a delusional conspiracy. I don’t want to say “conspiracy theory”, but it’s “delusional, it’s irrational, it’s illegitimate”..

And yet they’d champion that, …

Tanstaafl: The jews are, …

John Friend: Right! But they’d champion that in everyone else, especially themselves, right? I mean, jews are very ethnocentric and very aware of their jewish identity, and are very proud of it. Which, I mean, is fine by me, but when they turn around and say anybody who’s White who does the same thing is crazy, and is hateful, and is a bigot. I mean, again, it’s just completely ridiculous!

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Tanstaafl: Well, it’s not ridiculous! It’s actually an attack. And that’s how it should be interpreted, as an offensive against Whites.

And that’s kind of the main point that I’ve been harping on for years now, but especially in this past year. The jew war on Whites!

And so many people kind of water it down, or see it in less extreme terms. But it isn’t really extreme, it’s just the honest, it’s the most honest way to describe what’s going on.

The jews are at war with Whites! Are warring upon Whites! Are aggressing against Whites! Are hostile to Whites! Are landing all of these blows against Whites!

And Whites are unwilling, unable, to respond!

The ones that do respond, respond violently. You know, a trickle of them. And then, what happens? You know, a lot of White people get up and say:

“Oh that’s horrible! Violence isn’t the answer!”

And something that, it really bugs me because the, … And I see it changing, so there’s hope that this is shifting now. Attitudes in the last two years, and partly because of Trump, and partly it was happening anyway, there is been a surge in “White consciousness”. Of White people waking up to the reality, as Richard Spencer puts it, that race is real, and race matters!

You know, I’ve been saying that stuff for years, but now a lot of people are starting to realize that that’s true! And that is the first step, is just having that basic, … When you say, you know, “racial consciousness”, there’s, I think of it, there’s two, they’re not separate, but they’re like different ends of the spectrum, … The first and most basic consciousness is just knowing that race is real, knowing that you have a race, a group, a larger group that you belong to. And there’s nothing you can really do about it, you’re part of that group, you’re born into it.

And feeling, you know, aware of that, on a day to day basis.

So, when you see people on television and they’re talking about something your first thought is:

“Well what is that person? Are they part of my group, or are they not part of my group?”

And jews – this is important – because, maybe we’ll get into this a bit later too, the way that jews posture and pretend to be White. And they feed us poison that way.

That’s how you can stop that from happening is by paying attention to who is saying what. And recognizing that this person I think I can trust them, they look like a member of my own group. And, you know what they’re saying makes sense to me. Versus this Krauthammer asshole! You know, I don’t like what he’s saying and he’s telling us, talking about going to war in the Middle East., you know, that doesn’t make any sense to me.

And when you start to understand who the jews are, and what’s been going on, and see it as a war, then you understand. Well, yeah, these jews are they are not us! And they see us as their main enemy!

John Friend: Right. They’re not us, and they openly say this and they’re openly hostile to our interests. And this is been made clear almost every single day! I mean, it’s very clear if you’re just paying attention.

And I’m glad you brought that up, this jewish war on Whites, this jewish war on Western civilization, and this White genocide agenda. That is what the jews promote, is White genocide!

Tanstaafl: White genocide agenda.

John Friend: And yeah, I mean, that is ultimately what it’s all about.

And I wanted to ask you, if you could maybe just summarize the “jewish problem” in a nutshell. And I mean, I guess that would probably be your answer [laughing]. If it’s not really a “jewish problem”, it is a “jewish war” on White people! And needs to be understood, in those explicit terms. Because that is what it is!

Tanstaafl: Yes, the “jewish problem” from a White point of view, is the problem that jews cause for Whites. And in the past it didn’t seem like it was so serious. It was like discomfort. It was that the jews cause problems. Maybe they cause some wars.

Well today, it’s pretty obvious that it’s an existential threat! That they are not going to be happy until Whites don’t exist anymore. They changed their attitudes round about the middle of last century, with the rise of the National Socialist regime. And they were fully exposed and that scared the shit out of them! And they changed tactics.

And now the agenda is to get rid of us, entirely.

And, you know, whereas before they were happy to just feed on us and they really maybe only had the power to feed on us in the past. But now, they’re they’ve actually got the upper hand with the media control that they have, the financial control they have. And all of these kikeservatives willing to do their bidding for them. That think they’re on the winning team.

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We’re on our backs and they’ve got their feet on our throats and they don’t, … Unlike Whites who foolishly feel sympathy for defeated enemies and let them up and help them out, jews don’t do that. Jews like to brag about how they’ve exterminated all of the people that they’ve ever come up against in their history.

You know, they describe themselves as victims of these people. That’s how they see themselves, and that’s how they justify offing this long list of civilizations that they’ve parasitized in the past.

But we are just the most recent one to them and they won’t think twice about just offing us! It doesn’t bother them in the slightest.

John Friend: Well, I think, if you if you look back, you know, the past hundred years, or so, jews, especially organized jewish community, and groups like the ADL, for example, the World jewish Congress, they are driven fundamentally by a desire to prevent any sort of White revolution, any sort of national socialist, you know, takeover of society. They’re trying to prevent what happened in Germany from happening anywhere else. And obviously they’ve been very effective all over the Western world.

And I think, I mean, I think that is really what drives them because, you know, the jews always had a lot of power and influence in Western society, you know, going back, I mean, really all throughout time. But now, as you said, they’re at a point where they literally control our societies in virtually every respect.

And Hitler’s Germany was a solution to that problem. I mean, they openly talked about these things. They were articulating them publicly. Your average German probably knew about these issues, and could explain it. And that’s what they fear!

Tanstaafl: Yes. Yeah, it was the first time that European man really, on a large scale, was aware of the jews, of the true nature of the jews. Saw them for what they are, and organized at a governmental scale against them! In self defense against the jews.

And ultimately it failed, because not enough other people outside of Germany were able to accept what the Germans had come to accept themselves, and were trying to make other people understand.

As you mention, the ADL and other jewish organizations, … The jews organize compulsively, and they communicate. They have meetings, you know, every day of the year! There is some jewish organization meeting, conspiring, to increase their control, increase their power. And not only in a positive way for themselves.

What a big part of what they do, especially organizations like the SPLC, the ADL, is they focus on suppressing our communication. This thing that Twitter did, not just, you know, I wasn’t the only one deleted, there were a whole bunch of people and accounts shut down. And there were many before that, but there was a big spate of them right after the election.

That was, no doubt, due to the puppeteering of the ADL. The ADL had several months earlier, insinuated themselves into the process of defining what should and shouldn’t be allowed and they finally, you know, dropped the hammer on that day, most of that week, when a bunch of people were kicked off.

So, you know, that’s the purpose of that particular organization is to sniff out anyone who is talking, any White people who are talking amongst themselves, and shut it down!

John Friend: Right. Yeah, exactly! And I’ve been following the Daily Stormer, they’ve been, [Andrew] Anglin has been covering this issue pretty well. And I mean, he’s been stripped from, what I understand, he’s pretty much banned as a person from even using Twitter.

But yeah, this is out in the open. There are clearly organizing to shut it down, as you said.

Do you think, I mean, what are your thoughts, like long term? Do you think that this is something that, I mean, are they going to be able to shut everyone down, you know what I mean? There’s a lot of people using Twitter and getting this message out. I mean, how far are they going to take this, do you think?

Tanstaafl: It will go farther. It’s been called, “the shuttening” this, not just Twitter, but the general idea. I kind of like the term, “the shuttening”, because it refers to the jew tendency to shut it down.

Facebook has always been like this. That’s why I didn’t, that is why I never bothered to even sign up for Facebook, because I knew that, Facebook doesn’t tolerate, doesn’t even, you know, maybe it makes some gestures about tolerating free speech and all that.

But Twitter made sort of a name for itself, early on, by being the free speech platform and that’s why I thought – it was still a risk – to invest any time in posting anything there. But, after the first few months when I saw that they weren’t banning people Left and Right, I kind of, you know, got comfortable there.

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And what we see is that, you know, that stuff can change. And that’s exactly what the jews agitate for and organizing and pressure people politically, behind the scenes, to shut these things down.

It’s going to get worse! What, the next step, I mean, besides other social media stuff like Gab that’s cropping up, you know, they’ll eventually come under the gun of the ADL and other jewish organizations. And they’ll probably cave as well, if they aren’t already a jewish organization, you know, anyway. Basically providing the Jews with information on all the people using their service.

All of these services will eventually get shut down.

And the next step beyond that, that I can foresee happening too, is that they’ll just remove the DNS entries. They may not be able to, it’s not cost effective for them to try and go to every ISP and get sites like mine, or yours removed. They have done that in the past, but it’s expensive, and it’s time consuming. And there are certain services that won’t delete the stuff. They won’t give in to the threats. So, the way they’ll they’ll deal with that is just by convincing the government, or whoever is controlling that the DNS system, to delist those sites, so they won’t be convenient to get to.

And so, you’ll have people sharing around the names and IP addresses of certain favorite sites and giving the technical details:

“Here’s how you get there.”

But it will drop dramatically reduce the ease of which people can get to our ideas. That won’t be a totally a bad thing because, you know, the harder they try to shut us down, the more obvious they make it, the more they expose themselves, expose their power, and expose how illegitimate their power is. That they pretend to be victims and they’re going around, there’s that famous saying:

“The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you!”

That is an eye-opening thing, when people who have been hearing about how criticism of jews is just crazy, for all their lives., actually, see jews behaving like wild animals, savaging people who are just mild mannered, and saying, you know, polite things, like Richard Spencer, they have something [that] snaps in their mind and they realize:

“Hey, wait a minute! Maybe the people who have been saying these things aren’t crazy?”

I know it happened for me, years ago. And over the last two years I’ve seen more and more testimonies from people in interviews, or just chatting online, where these are people who self professed a year ago:

“I was a liberal, a shitlib.”

Or whatever:

“I was just a normie!”

And in the course of being exposed basically to jewish shenanigans, they realize:

“This isn’t a joke! This is real! The jews really are in power. And they really are nasty!”

John Friend: Exactly! Yeah. Well, that’s really the big story of this past election season. Is just how clear this is all becoming. And, I mean, we’re seeing the media become discredited on a mass scale, which is huge. I mean, that to me has been the number one weapon that the jews have used to wage war against us. It’s largely been psychological.

I mean, they literally brainwash us with false history and pseudo science. You mentioned Freud and all these other con artists. And I mean, that’s really to me how they’ve been so successful, is controlling the narrative and weaponizing history and weaponizing our political discourse.

But this is all coming out in the open now. And it’s all being made clear. You mentioned the Trump campaign video where he doesn’t even mention the word “jew”! In the speech he made down in West Palm Beach Florida, where he was railing against, you know, the global interests, … Again, you know, he could have named the jew and it would have been a lot more accurate. But he didn’t even have to.

And the very next day, or even that night, you know, all these jews on Twitter, the ADL, they’re condemning this speech as, you know, trafficking in, quote, unquote, “anti-Semitic conspiracy theories” and all this other nonsense.

So I mean, these people are outing themselves! And to me, I don’t know how people can notice this. I mean, people are obviously noticing it, but it’s just they just can’t help themselves! I mean, these jews are just so delusional. They just cannot help themselves!

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Tanstaafl: Yeah, to a certain extent they can’t help themselves. It’s their nature to screech when they sense that they are being attacked. And they are hyper sensitive!

That’s why it’s hard for me to accept that jews are just innocently going along with somebody else’s agenda, that this isn’t a jewish agenda that’s killing Whites as a race. It’s impossible to believe, because the jews are so hyper sensitive to race and to what is good for survival of a group and what is bad. And they make sure that for their own group they have policies that preserve their group and that they push the opposite for us.

But you mention the narrative. And the jews, … I’ve pointed out before, the jews are sort of born storytellers, you know, from the Bible, which I think I mentioned in, “The Great Jewish Mask”. That book from about a hundred years ago. The jews are have been storytellers, their whole history. To the point where, the very history that they tell is a big lie, all the way back!

And today’s Hollywood. And White people in America, and globally too, I think, you know, they kind of understand this. They don’t like Hollywood. I mean, they may go to those movies and they may be thrilled by those things, but they also are kind of put off by it. It’s sort of like chewing on a poisoned Twinkie! It’s like, it tastes good, but it also, you feel sick to your stomach afterwards!

And that’s the kind of feeling that White people get when they look at the jewish media.

And Trump didn’t create that distrust, he just sort of exposed it. And he tapped into it. He saw, he’s very perceptive in sensing what it is that, … Well, first of all, that White people weren’t being pandered to,  weren’t being served by previous candidates. And that’s the path, basically, that was the key to his electoral strategy, and the key to his victory ultimately was to tap into that by talking about White issues. What the Leftists call “dog whistling”. And it just means speaking in code. When politicians speak in code to get White votes.

I’ve made the point before, that if a politician has to speak in code, that’s kind of a disadvantage, you know, because Trump is a good example. He spoke explicitly to blacks about what he was going to do for blacks! And he said, you know, I’m going to basically poor lots of money and lots of attention on the inner city, you know, talking directly to blacks.

And similarly to Hispanics, and Latinos, and to jews! He spoke explicitly about how well he was going to serve them and their interests!

And he did not speak, at all, during the campaign, he never said the word, “White” that I’m aware of and never in a positive context like:

“I love White people! I’m a White person and I’m going to make sure that White people are well served by my administration.”

But he did speak about jobs. I think in the past, it was called, “Nixon’s Southern Strategy”.

This time around they’re going to start to call it, I think, “Trump’s Rustbelt Strategy”, because he did, basically the same thing. He talked to Whites, indirectly, but still in a language that they understood. That:

“Hey this guy gets it. He’s going to do things and have policies that address our concerns. This country is changing. We don’t like the new normal.”

But my point is, my overall point is that, I think most White people just they don’t see the jews, they don’t understand the jews as a threat. They think that’s crazy! They, I mean, they’ve heard people say it, but they think that is discredited idea, it’s a conspiracy theory, it’s not true! And it’s largely, because that’s what the jews say! The jews have control over the media, they pump out that message twenty four seven, that it’s crazy to think anything bad about the jews:

“Only stupid people do that!”

And they present alternatives. They:

“Here, blame these people instead! Blame White people! It’s really White privilege! It’s not that the jews are too privileged. It’s White privilege!”

And so, it’s a mix of techniques that they use. But it’s also easy to understand, once the scales fall from your eyes and you stop thinking of the jews as these innocent, this innocent powerless minority, and start to see them for what they really are.

Then it all makes sense! Things that in the past you might have thought that:

“It’s odd, like the poison Twinky thing, but I don’t really understand why? Why would Hollywood serve up poisoned Twinkies?”

It’s:

“Why do they do that?”

Well, once you realize Hollywood is controlled by jews, it was created by jews, and they manipulate your thoughts. They actually define what is good and what is bad, just as they have ever since the Bible, it all make sense.

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John Friend: Right! You know and isn’t it just so sad that Trump, you know how many times had it has he been called a racist and a bigot? And, you know, he’s promoting hatred and all this other nonsense. And yet as you said, he never, and to my knowledge as well, he never once, you know, said:

“I’m White.”

Or said:

“I’m championing White interests!”

He never once explicitly said that.

Although, I agree, I think he did use some, you know, coded language that, you know, people kind of read between the lines. And yet he’s openly saying how he’s going to do this for the black community. He’s going to help the Mexicans. He’s going to help the immigrants. I mean, it’s just so sad!

This is a country founded and built by White people! And we can’t even talk about that! We can’t even talk about White interests. Thanks to the jews! Thanks to the jews’ control of the narrative!

Tanstaafl: Yeah. Well, they’re the ones who created this environment and, as I like to say, “anti-racism” is a jew construct! It serves their interests, and they were the ones who promoted the idea that race is just a “social construct”, and racists are the worst people on the planet! You know, blame the “racists” for all the problems!

And, anyway, “racist” is really just a euphemism for “Whites” anyway. When you hear somebody call somebody a racist, the best way to understand that, is to call him a White person!

And it’s similar during this election, the jews in the jews media were using the word, the term, “Trump supporter”, in that way. “Trump supporter” and with venom, you know, means White person!

John Friend: Yeah, exactly!

Tanstaafl: That’s why they hated Trump! And that’s why they hated Trump supporters, because they were White! Not, you know, they never talked about black, or non-White supporters of Trump, except maybe in terms of racial treason, you know, that they were betraying their own kind by siding with Trump and the evil racists!

John Friend: Well, going back to, you know, we are talking about Hitler and National Socialist Germany, and how the jews just absolutely fear that sort of movement coming to power ever again. They viewed these rallies, with thousands of White people chanting and cheering for Donald Trump. This is what they saw! They saw National Socialism all over again!

Tanstaafl: Although they made a video, that was really good, early on, and intended it to discredit Trump by comparing, side by side, snippets of Trump speeches and then snippets of Hitler speeches. And they went back and forth between the two, drawing these parallels. This was maybe in January of last year, earlier this year. And it flopped!

Because, what happened, the reaction was, for most of these Trump supporters, was:

“Hey! I agree with what Trump is saying. And I didn’t know that Hitler said these things too! Maybe this guy Hitler isn’t such bad guy?”

John Friend: Right! [John laughing]

Tanstaafl: They yanked that commercial right away! And it’s true that there are parallels! It’s because you cannot oppose the jewish agenda, in any way, without upsetting the jews!

And whether you recognize it is a jewish agenda, or not, whether you call it a jewish agenda and are conscious of it, or not, the jews know it’s a jewish agenda! And that’s why they go berserk!

John Friend: Yeah.

Well, I want to talk about Trump in the Alt-Right, and sort of what’s happened really over the course of the past year.

To start off, I mean, do you think, … Trump has to be, he has to be aware of the Alt-Right? I mean, he obviously is, he gets asked about it all the time. But I mean, do you think that he’s following what’s going on? Do you think he’s wise to some of these issues at all?

Tanstaafl: In the sense that any politician is, I think, it was Joe Sobran said many years ago, that in order to even survive at the highest levels of government and media in this country, you have to be aware of the jews! Because you have to have some sense of what you’re allowed to say and what you’re not allowed to say.

And so, you know, every couple of months there is some celebrity, or another, I can’t remember his name now. Gary Oldman in Hollywood, who said something in a Playboy interview about how rotten the world is getting to be. And then he switched right immediately to how the jews control Hollywood and [laughing] making sort of the indirect connection, that the world is so terrible, because these jews are putting out a terrible vision of the world! And he got slapped down right away!

And that’s basically how the jews make sure that everybody knows who controls, not just Hollywood, of course, and if you want to work in the media you’ve got to make sure you don’t ever say anything like that about jews. You don’t talk about jewish power.

But also in the government. Can’t think of a, … Well the “Hagelocaust”, and the “Bannonocaust”, are good examples of them doing something similar in government, where they actually trumpet the fact that there are jews there.:

“We’re jews! And we’re upset about, ..! We’re offended by this, and this guy is disqualified! Because jews!”

You know, they make it so explicit! It’s like it’s as if they have veto power! An unwritten line in the Constitution that says:

“The jews have actually the first veto over any nominee!”

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John Friend: They have effectively have though! They’ve basically been able to get away with whatever they want, for so long!

Tanstaafl: Well, in the end Hagel and Bannon are examples of where they screech very loudly and they didn’t get what they want in the end. But then again the guy that they were screeching about, they were totally exaggerating. You know, they were making it out like this was the next Hitler. Trump is another good example of this. Where, you know, he’s not.

None of these guys are willing to stand up against the jews. Now maybe the jews suspect that they would be, if other people also stood up at the same time. And in a way it’s a sort of shit test. Besides, you know, the “Saul Alinsky” effect of, you know, focusing on one enemy at a time and vaporizing them. And letting that be a lesson to everybody else.

It’s a shit test! It’s to basically flush out any resistance:

“Any other takers? Anybody else want some of this?”

That’s the kind of attitude that, I don’t know if they have it consciously, but that’s what’s the challenge to everybody else around when they see somebody being savaged in public.

Another one was that I wrote about was Tom Perkins, that billionaire. Who couple years ago made some comment about the one percent that the Occupy Wall Street rhetoric against the one percent. [It] reminded him of the jews and Kristallnacht. And how the one percent might be genocided!

And a bunch of jews made it clear to him, that being rich is not anything to be worried about. You know, it’s really, you know, that’s a special jewish term of warfare, as you mentioned “weaponized terms”. You know, “Kristallnacht” is one of those proprietary jewish weaponized terms that only jews are allowed to use. And only for the purposes of advancing jewish interests.

And so, Tom Perkins is only a mere billionaire! And so, he was shut down right away.

John Friend: Yeah, and we see this when, you know, people invoke the Holocaust, you know, for the wrong reasons and the jews get all upset and say:

“No you can’t do that! It’s only for us!”

Tanstaafl: Yes!

John Friend: You know, I mean, there’s other examples as well. But again, I mean, it’s just their control, their power, their influence is largely, … And the way they’re able to frame things, the way they’re able to control the narrative, control the discourse. And I think that is, you know, sort of breaking down and being eroded slowly. And it’s been spent taking place over time.

But, I think this election and to what Trump has done, has really been a huge boost to that.

And you had sent me an e-mail with some links here and I want to go over one of them, in particular. The Real Clear Politics, where Kellyanne Conway, and I think it was Clinton’s campaign manager. They were having like a discussion after the election.

And the Clinton campaign was saying, and they were saying this all throughout the campaign, that Trump is, you know, “mainstreaming”, quote, unquote, “hatred”! And we saw all sorts of jewish journalists talking about how Trump was, “mainstreaming anti-Semitism”..

There’s a quite revealing article published by Yair Rosenberg, who is one of these jews on Twitter that was going nuts when they had the “echo meme” going on.

Tanstaafl: Yes.

Tanstaafl: No.

John Friend: I think it was really the Alt-Right, who sort of seized the moment, seized the opportunity. Guys like, to his credit, Andrew Anglin, and the guys at “The Right Stuff dot business”. You know, other people on Twitter and whatnot. [They] really just seized this opportunity and seized the moment, to get their voices out there, to get their message out there. And I think it’s been very effective!

And, I mean, that’s what this whole argument was about! Was:

“Look, the Trump campaign is giving a platform to the Alt-Right. It’s giving a platform to, quote, unquote, ‘White supremacists’!”

And I think that is true to a certain extent, although I don’t think that is the goal of the Trump campaign, at least not obviously, not explicitly.

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Tanstaafl: No. I think Trump, and I’ve said this before, it was my earlier assessment of him and it still holds. I think he just wanted to be president. He had that ambition for decades and he finally fulfilled it. And he basically promised to himself, I think mainly, that it would be no holds barred. That he would do whatever he needed to do to get it done.

And there’s a story about that with Jared Kushner, and, you know, the Electoral College, and basically what I call the “Rust Belt Strategy”. Where, you know, in order to become President, he needed to say these things to White people, to appeal to White people and get their votes, and get the Electoral College votes that he would need to win. To overcome the non-White votes in other States.

Other people talked about that, but there hasn’t been much emphasis put on the fact that it was Jared Kushner that actually kind of organized that effort, or at least lead it, and headed it up. That was in that Forbes interview, or the Forbes article about him.

John Friend: Right. Now, a question for you. So, I mean, obviously it was a very successful campaign strategy to play on these issues. But do you think that Trump was genuine? Because, to me he seems very genuine about all of these issues!

Tanstaafl: He genuinely wants to be President, to the point where he will put up with all the shit! He’s, as he said many times at his rallies:

“You know, I didn’t have to do this! I could have lived a comfortable life!”

It really was a grueling thing! You know, I watched, night after night of him doing these rallies, and I just thought:

“God! He’s much older than I am!”

John Friend: He’s seventy, I think he seventy years old!

Tanstaafl: He’s a dynamo! I mean, you’ve got to give him credit for just being an incredible work horse!

And he put up with all that stuff. I think he went into it knowing that it was going to be bad, but I don’t think he appreciated how bad it was going to be.

He also basically called out the media early on, and especially toward the end, as the enemy and really played on that. Although that was part of his appealing to White people.

What I wanted to say, was, that I’ve kind of left unsaid here all along, is that Whites are desperate for a leader to say positive things! To give them a positive vision for the future! To the point where even the kind of lukewarm stuff that Trump served up.

You know, the jews painted it as the next holocaust, but it was really, it’s stuff that in Reagan times, in the 80’s, this was just what the norm was!:

“You have a country. You have borders. You have laws against people coming in your country illegally. And you have elected officials that are at least ostensibly supposed to be out for the best interests of that country, and it’s citizens.”

That was the understanding in the 80’s. And before that, it was even better.

You know, National Socialist Germany, it was a racial understanding of nationhood.

But even in the 80’s we still had the tatters of a countryhood and a civic nationalism.

Well, Trump is just, you know, basically resetting by about twenty years, the attitude about nationalism. And that is too much for the jews! But, White people have this instinct and this desire to have somebody speaking for them and that’s why they gravitated to Trump, that’s why they were attracted and put signs in the yards and went to all his rallies.

That’s why it was so easy to see that Trump could win if he was going to continue to speak to Whites the way he was. And not give in to the jews media’s pressure to geld himself, to reign himself in, to stop saying these politically incorrect things, that he would win! And he did win!

And my fear, my greatest fear has always been, not whether Trump would win, or not, it’s been, you know what is he going to do once he’s in?

And I think the most likely thing – it’s kind of a black pill, or negative thing – but I think he’s going to go along with the shuttening that I was talking about earlier. I think he’s going to be, maybe even critical to, … He’ll be the proud signer of Bills illegalizing in hate speech, illegalizing criticism of jews and Israel. Because that’s kind of who he is.

I mean, he’s prided himself, and I think a lot of the reason he was able to take all this withering criticism, that he’s a horrible anti-Semite, a racist, a bigot, is he knows in his heart that he isn’t! At least that’s how he sees himself, that:

“No! I don’t judge people on the color of their skin. I don’t do these things!”

So, you know, it rolls off his back when they say these things about him, because in his own mind, he’s comfortable with who he is.

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John Friend: Right. Yeah! Gosh! I really hope Trump, doesn’t go along with that whole agenda! I mean, it would be totally contrary to, you know, pretty much everything he said, especially as it relates to political correctness.

But I mean, who knows? We’re just going to have to wait and see. I think that’s the main thing, is we really, …

Tanstaafl: I think we’ve seen already! He’s a lifelong kikeservative! He’s, for his whole life, and he brags about this, you know. He’s basically in bed with the jews! His family is intermarried with them, and, you know, there’s not much he can do about that at this point, except go along with them.

And so, when they come to him at some point in his first term and say:

“We’ve got to have this legislation against hate speech. It’s crazy out there for jews. And don’t you care about the jews?”

And that’s part of why the jews screech so much about things like Bannon, about how horrible an anti-Semite Trump is, in order to influence him to do the opposite. To prove that he’s not a racist! To prove that he’s not an anti-semite! And so that, he will do things, like sign legislation that favors them.

John Friend: Yeah, … That would not be good! [laughing] I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens. But I mean, like, for example, with immigration. I mean, do you think he genuinely means everything he said?

Tanstaafl: Yes.

John Friend: Yeah, that’s that is the thing! I think, to me he, I mean, you know, I’ve sort of explained this in previous podcast and what not, but I mean, … I think that everything that he said, all of his campaign promises all of the main issues that he ran on, I think that he really does mean these things, and he really does feel this way about immigration, for example. About trade. About, you know, political correctness run amuck, and all this other stuff. And he was basically, to me, it almost seems like he was surprised at how far he got, right?

Like, I don’t think he went into this thinking that he would be this successful. And I think at the very beginning when he announced that he was running and he gained all this traction and gained all this popularity. To me, it was almost as if he wasn’t expecting that, he wasn’t prepared for it.

Tanstaafl: No! I don’t agree with that, I think that he was!

I think he knew it would be a long slog. And he went into it just confident in his own ability to do it. And his willingness, basically like I said, to pull no punches and to do whatever he needed to do to get the job done.

And I think that mainly, if he had any doubt about it, it was only, because that’s basically the effect of the media. The media was constantly saying, right up until the end, how he was losing in the polls, how, you know, it was like every week this:

“He just did this! And that’s a deadly gaffe! He can’t be president, now!”

And they did that for a year and a half! And every day they were constantly telling people in all the polls, … You know, they totally discredited themselves.

And then, of course, right after the election happens, there was a little brief interlude of shock and silence. And then they immediately started going back to the polls.:

“The polls say this! The polls say that!”

And, you know, it’s the same lying media quoting the same skewed polls.

That is also something even Hitler noticed, and wrote about in Mein Kampf. You know, how you can argue with a jew one day and just totally squash him, and then the next day he come back and the jew’s making the same arguments again, as if it never happened.

John Friend: Right. Well, you know, you had mentioned this about Trump. That the amazing thing is that really everything that he’s saying is, I mean, it’s really not even that controversial at all, right? I mean, he’s basically making just common sense arguments when it comes immigration, when it comes to trade. But our society has gone so far downhill that these things are very radical all of of sudden, especially to the elites running our society.

Tanstaafl: Yeah, …

John Friend: When really nothing he’s saying is that, is really that revolutionary, or that radical, even at all.

Tanstaafl: Well, it’s radical in, … The main sense it’s radical is that he’s talking in terms that White people like. And even the jews media basically puts it that way:

“You know, the KKK endorses him! KKK loves what Trump just said!”

Or, you know:

“The Nazis loved, ….”

And that’s their measurements of whether something is good, or bad, is if racially conscious White people like what they’re hearing from Trump, that’s bad! I mean, it goes back to basically to what I think is the core moral understanding of this current jew run regime.

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It’s an anti-White, pro-jew regime, first of all, at heart! And the basic morality of it is:

“Whites are bad! Whites are evil! And non-Whites, with jews being the first and foremost of the non-Whites, are good!”

And that’s the sort of skeleton key by which you understand everything else that is happening.

So, when Trump ran on, you know, right from the get go, talking about immigration in a negative way, that was a no-no! That’s, you know, been banished! They thought they had basically done away with that! It was to the point, …

The big surprise at this election, because Trump won the Electoral College the way he did by going after White voters in the middle of the country. It surprised them, because they thought they had basically sewn that up. They had made that illegal to talk about, if not technically illegal, they had made it politically incorrect, you know, “semitically incorrect” really, to even discuss anything that White voters wanted to hear.

And polling was used in the years between the elections to basically downplay any concern about immigration, or jobs, or anything like that.

And they tried to do that through the election and basically, I think, Whites were just too fed up. They liked what they were hearing from Trump and so they voted for Trump, and now he’s in.

But there are some contradictions in what Trump says. I mean, listen to what he says about war, about ISIS and war. He’s against Iraq. He basically says things to different groups of people that can be heard in whatever way you want, that you like. And war is a good example of this where, you know, he was famously against the Iraq war and part of the way he defeated Jeb Bush during the primaries was by pointing out that the Iraq war was a disaster, and Jeb’s brother was responsible for that disaster.

You know, that’s one thing there is, of course, Trump didn’t mention the jews, who had basically organized and pushed for that war, and are the real people who are responsible for that.

But, you know, he also then makes these saber rattling comments about ISIS!:

“We’re going to destroy ISIS! And we’re going to build the biggest military! We’ve got to be a rich country!”

He was just saying today:

“We’re got to be a rich country again, because we’ve got to basically build up our military and pay for all these veterans!”

And that’s kind of at odds with, I guess it goes, it echoes Reagan again. You know, that’s the idea that you’ve got to be strong and warlike, ready to do war in order to prevent war.

And I think that’s poppycock! It’s basically, you know, the history of war at least amongst Europeans, for the last two, three hundred years, what you could see as one giant European civil war, fighting amongst ourselves, has been at the behest of jews! And certainly profited by the jews, and the White race has lost!

I have said before that the White race lost World War Two and the jews won. But it’s bigger than World War Two. It’s every war before that, at least back to the French Revolution and probably beyond. And every war since World War Two has been for jewish, globalist, corporatist, interests, if not directly for Israel, and attacking Israel’s neighbors.

John Friend: Yeah. I totally agree with you.

Tanstaafl: In that respect [garbled]… For Trump. And he’s put now this Mad Dog Mattis and Pompeo …?

John Friend: Oh yeah. I know who you are talking about. The guy, that’s the guy that’s going to be running the CIA? It’s like Pompeo, or something like that?

Tanstaafl: Yeah. Now these guys are “tough guys”, you know, they’re, … And oh, it’s Flynn, is the other one, that he’s going to make part of his administration, in some capacity.

And, you know, the problem is that they’re strident. They think Muslims are the problem, and Muslims are a problem. But they wouldn’t be a problem if you kept them out of our country. And we don’t need to go and put boots on the ground all around the world to fight Muslims! The only reason we do that stuff is, because jews run our government. Jews are the targeting system for this highly capable, highly technical, highly expensive, military that the US has.

White Americans often slip into this:

“Our military, our government!”

Way of speaking, of thinking about things. And it isn’t really true. It’s not ours! I mean, it’s us filling the ranks, it’s White people in the military giving their lives, doing the dirty work. But it’s really jews in the Pentagon and at the highest levels of government advising Presidents on these wars and instigating these wars.

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John Friend: Yeah. Advising them, formulating the policy, crafting the narrative. All explicitly to advance jewish interests and to advance Zionist interests in the Middle East! There’s no doubt about that.

Well I agree with you. I mean pretty much everything you just said I totally agree with.

I mean with Trump, I want to believe that he’s going to be this great President. And do all these great things and really get us back on the Right track. But I understand your concerns. I hope you’re wrong about the whole, you know, free speech thing I mean. Oh my gosh! I would that would just be devastating!

Tanstaafl: I would really like to be pleasantly surprised. That’s why I’m kind of pessimistic about it. But I’m also, you know, there’s precedent for this. This is is not the uncharted territory that everybody seems to like to think it is.

Ronald Reagan is a pretty good precedent for what Trump has done and what Trump and what we can expect from Trump. This is something that White politicians, this dog whistling thing, is something that they’ve been doing for decades.

Ever since World War Two when White leaders basically abandon the field and stopped thinking and talking in terms of race, at least explicitly, they have realized that they can win White votes by just sort of talking code to Whites. Saying what Whites want to hear and that Whites are pretty desperate for because we have nobody since, maybe McGovern. And even George McGovern wasn’t, … Was it McGovern? I can’t recall it. But back in the sixty’s, you know.

John Friend: George Wallace?

Tanstaafl: Right. And George Wallace wasn’t even sincere about it. He was just doing it. He was willing to say it out loud. Whereas other politicians around him weren’t even willing to say it out loud. But Wallace, afterwards – I forget where I read about this – basically admitted he wasn’t sincere.

And I know Trump isn’t sincere. He’s not a sincere racist. He doesn’t think in racial terms. He just thinks in “anti-racist” term. So I don’t have much optimism.

John Friend: Well, what do you think about the Alt-Right and sort of what’s been happening on that front? I mean to me, ultimately until we’re talking about the jews and recognizing them as a racial enemy, until we’re thinking in racial terms, we’re really never going to truly solve any of these problems.

And I think the Alt-Right has been effective in at least getting that message out, and getting more people on board with these ideas.

So I think clearly that’s where the change is going to come. It’s not going to come from Trump, it’s going to come from people like us who are willing to talk about these things.

Tanstaafl: Yeah it’s bigger than the Alt-Right basically. The jews media before they were attacking the Alt-Right, they attacked White people generally. And I made the point early in Trump’s campaign that basically their rhetoric, their anti-White rhetoric would have been the same even if Jeb Bush had won the nomination and was the candidate for the Republicans.

They’ve been doing it for at least the 2008, 2012 cycles. Jews writing editorials about how the Republican Party is the “White party”, and they should be ashamed of that. And they should do something to reach out to minorities. They’ve been doing it for a long time now. So that’s nothing new.

What’s new is the Alt-Right. And this basically self identification. It’s a label basically for this rising awareness that, ….

I made the analogy when I was talking to Kyle Hunt about this that it reminded me of the Tea Party. It’s basically the Tea Party 2.0. But it is an improved version. It’s a more aware version.

I saw the Tea Party when it was happening, when it rose up in 2008, 2009 in the wake of the election of Obama, as a step towards racial consciousness. Although it was still full of all of these people that were saying:

“Oh no! I’m not a racist! Look at this black guy that I respect and want to hear speak. I’m just for constitutionalism and low taxes.”

But it was a rebellion of sorts. And it was triggered by the election of Obama. And throughout the last eight years it’s sort of been co-opted and defanged, and the energy has dissipated.

The Alt-Right was sort of a return. And this time with a more explicit understanding that the problem, the conflict is racial! And that at the heart of it are the jews!

And the people that see that most clearly are even beyond Alt-Right. But, the people who self identify as Alt-Right at the best part of it, at least get that it’s race. And you can’t avoid the jewish question, the jewish problem. Beyond that is, you know, National Socialism and a true understanding that’s beyond Alt-Right.

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But then they have this Alt-Light phenomenon the other end of the spectrum, of people who are just ordinary White people who are basically realizing something’s wrong here:

“This Trayvon Martin stuff, this Mike brown stuff, Black Lives Matter. Muslims blowing themselves up every now and then, killing lots of Europeans, or Americans. Something’s wrong! And oh, by the way, you know, all our jobs are gone. Our country, while is being hollowed out, none of our government officials seem to care about us! They care more about protecting immigrants and making safe spaces for them, and sanctuary cities for them!”

And then they hear about this Alt-Right stuff. And so they’re basically flocking to the light, and they get exposed to basically the truth about what’s going on.

And that’s how I see the Alt-Right as fitting into this.

The name Alt-Right, a lot of the people associated with that in the early days, and really when that was founded it, bug me, because they’re very weak on the jewish problem, and recognizing that the jews are at war with Whites. They kind of tend to be – I’m thinking now of Richard Spencer. But also his two partners originally at the Alternative Right Website that he started up, and who continue to be kind of associated with the Alt-Right, and critics of it.

They’re soft on the jews! You know, they talk about the symptoms. And Trump in a way is like this too. He’ll talk about the symptoms, but he won’t name the jews. And there’s a lot of Alt-Light type people, same thing! They’ll talk about what they see as wrong with society. But when it gets to:

“What’s causing it? What’s at the root of the problem?”

They kind of dance around that issue. And that’s really what defines this spectrum of Alt-Light to Alt-Right to, on beyond, you know, National Socialism, and beyond.

John Friend: Yeah, I agree with you! And I mean, I like Spencer. I like what he says. I think he makes a lot of good points. I do think you’re right though in that, at least from what I can tell, he hasn’t really been particularly as hard hitting on the jewish problem as say you, or I would. And I think it is key. I think it’s absolutely central to everything! But at the same time he doesn’t back down on it. He doesn’t deny it, or something like that. Which is fine… I mean, I like Spencer. I like what he’s doing.

And I wanted to get your take on the whole thing that happened at the recent NPI Conference, [Tan laughs] and how that’s kind of, … I don’t want to say “divided the Alt-Right”. But sort of made it very clear like:

“Look the Alt-Right is a racist, you know, anti-semitic movement!”

And like this does need to be made clear and needs to be made explicit. And I think Spencer has handled it very, very, well actually.

Tanstaafl: Yes. Let me make myself clear on Spencer.

First of all, I don’t dislike him. And I don’t distrust him even. I think that he’s basically a White man standing up for White interests, and he’s doing it in public. He has all my respect. I was listening to him, watching him, at Texas A and M, earlier this evening.

And while there are some things that I thought he was weak about. In particular the way he was describing things it was sort of like:

“Well, we just sort of got here.”

How did we get into this mess was never really something that he grappled with. And none of the questions that I saw anyway, …

John Friend: He probably never explicitly said:

“Look, jews did this!”

I don’t [chuckling] mean like that!

Tanstaafl: I don’t think he thinks that, so, …

John Friend: Yeah, exactly!

Tanstaafl: He does think that White White people are sort of:

“All powerful and omnipotent. And if we just get our shit together then we can do anything we want!”

And I kind of agree with that. I think it’s the problem is in our heads. That we if we decide that we want to do something we organized to do it. We can kick ass! But it’s still going to be a battle! It’s not like there’s no opponent. And that’s what bothers me about the “soft on the jews” point of view, is it basically is ignorant of, or is ignoring this giant competitor that we have! That, at the moment, has us on the defensive and basically prostrate. It’s not the right way to actually go about fighting.

But back to Spencer. He comes across as a very likable guy, you know, personable. He’s very articulate and he gets it. I think he’s aware of the jews, and he’s learning. I think I’ve seen basically a progression over the years in his attitudes and his recognition that:

“Yeah. This is serious!”

Sometimes he’s a little bit too jocular about it, you know, sarcastic, or whatever. But basically he’s being a leader. He’s trying to get out there and get in people’s faces, and raise White consciousness. And he’s a he gets all my respect for doing that.

But as far as the NPI conference, the “Heil Gate”, the “Heil Trump” and all that, and people giving the Roman salute. I think it says more about the people who freaked out about that and immediately surrendered [chuckling] in reaction to that! Or basically thought that was some sort of like telling, self-defeating! Greg Johnson’s reaction was particularly hysterical.

John Friend: I missed his! Was he freaking out about it?

Tanstaafl: Yeah. It’s pathetic. It was like thirteen, fourteen, minutes of him basically just with a womanly attitude about the whole thing.

And I’ve made this point before, going back to the Dylan Roof thing. Is if people don’t like what’s happening you can always keep your mouth shut! If you think that the something is bad, instead of being basically negative and undermining. You could just be quiet.

And people are going to say the same about me, that I could just keep my mouth shut about the stuff. And I even say it about myself. That I someone who’s involved with, married to a woman whose father was jewish. I have no moral standing, no right, to speak to White people about what they should, or shouldn’t do, or lead White people. But I’m sorry! Seeing people using the Roman salute, saying:

“Heil Trump!”

What bugs me about that mostly is the disrespect towards the actual National Socialists who are best known for that, and who deserve respect, not mocking, not a joking attitude, a sarcastic attitude about it.

I took it as though the guys, at least some of them who were doing it, were serious. They were excited! They liked what they were hearing. And it’s great when somebody can stir up a crowd like that. That’s of a positive thing! That’s exactly why the jews try to psychopathology that:

“That only crazy, stupid, evil, haters do that kind of thing! And you shouldn’t do that!”

And to see people, long term people, who know better like. Greg Johnson, get so disturbed by it. It’s demoralizing [chuckling] to see that happen!

He cited as evidence that, or maybe not as evidence, but it’s just sort of like the people who inspired him were people like Mike Cernovich, and Vox Day, and who’s the other the jew who does who’s the philosopher? Molyneux. All Alt-Light people who aren’t pro-White, who are part jews, or jews. Vox Day likes to brag about he’s tri-racial.

I mean, if I got no standing to talk about things, then they certainly don’t. And why is Greg Johnson even concerned.

I don’t even know what I’m talking about Greg Johnson! I wasn’t even going to write about it, or talk about it. It’s a sort of when you ask me my reaction about that Heil Gate thing, the reaction from White people, and especially White so-called leaders, or Alt-Right type people, is telling.

I agree with the people who have said this has exposed some cucks, and maybe will scare them off. And that’s a good thing! Go away!

Race is real! It’s about race. And the jews are at the heart of it!

And you’re not going to be able to just:

“Step over the ‘Holocaust’!”

To be able to:

“Step over the Nazis.”

And call them the:

“Old Right.”

And say that:

“We don’t associate with those ideas.”

Because as that whole Trump campaign made clear, you can basically be a servant to the jews, and if you talk about things that the jews don’t like they’re going to call you a Nazi and Hitler anyway! Because in a sense you are! If you advocate anything that’s healthy for White people, in any way, even if at the same time you say:

“I hate Hitler! I hate the Nazis!”

They’re still going to call you Hitler and Nazis!

And what’s more important than what they call you is how they will treat you! Because what those labels mean is basically:

“Sic ‘em! Get that guy! Kill him! Put him in prison!”

That’s what they mean when they say those words. That’s what those words mean to them.

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John Friend: I completely agree with everything you’ve said.

And this is a point that I’ve been trying to make for, jeez, probably years now. Is if we are serious about this and we really want to set things right, we cannot avoid Revisionism, we can’t avoid confronting this fake “Holocaust” narrative head on! And openly saying that:

“This is not true! None of this is true!”

It’s a weaponized narrative history that is entirely concocted by jews to advance jewish interests. It is a weapon being used against Whites. And we need to openly say that we have all of the evidence and proof on our side. It’s not as if this is in debate anymore. It’s been conclusively demonstrated that this story is not true!

And Hitler was a good guy! Read the damn book! Read Mein Kampf! What is he wrong about? Listen to some of the speeches.

I mean, that’s a thing. And I mean, we need to be openly saying this! I mean, what is so wrong with that?

Tanstaafl: That was something that Greg Johnson, that was one of the claims that he made is:

“Why would we want to attack the jews where they were strongest?”

They aren’t strongest there! They defend the “Holocaust”. They make it literally illegal to question it, because it is their weakest point! Because they have harmed us so tremendously!

It’s that the war was caused by jews and jewing! It was a reaction! The National Socialists were reacting in self defense of the German people against the depredations that jews had done to them. The harm that they had caused with their parasitism! And the parasitism was not just the Germans. It’s just the Germans were the ones who stood up against it!

John Friend: Yeah.

Tanstaafl: The parasitism happened for centuries, if not millennia before that, to other people. And it’s happened to other Europeans at the time when the Germans stood up against it.

And it’s happening now! It’s even clearer!

And once you realize that, once that’s something clicks in your head and you realize that you’ve been lied to your whole life about this fucking “Holocaust” thing! You realize Hitler was right! The National Socialists were right!

White people have been basically fed upon by these jews for millennia now, and it’s coming to a head! They’re going to kill us! They are killing us!

John Friend: Yeah. I totally agree.

Tanstaafl: We are morally in the Right. We have nothing to run away from! We don’t need to “step over the ‘Holocaust’”! We need to refute it directly!

John Friend: Yes, I completely agree! And I mean there’s no avoiding this issue. There’s no stepping over this if issue if you care about White people. It is unavoidable.

Tanstaafl: As I say, it’s been weaponized. And it’s a weapon that’s used against Whites! It’s harming Whites! Literally sucking, … I mean, you can measure it in dollars, or in pounds, or in marks, or now in Euros, the money that they take, they literally siphoned out of our countries and direct to Israel, because of the “Holocaust”.

And, of course, that’s only a fraction of the overall harm that’s caused! There’s all of the crime. And all of the violence. And all of the murders, and the rapes, going on in Europe, because of this “refugee” invasion. And in the United States, because of our open borders.

That all happens, because we can’t have a country. Because that’s like Nazis and Hitler!

John Friend: Yeah! Exactly! Exactly.

Tanstaafl: If you want a a country you’ve got to deal with that issue head on!

John Friend: Yes. I totally agree. One quick comment I want to make about the whole Heil Gate situation. I mean, based on some of the interviews I’ve heard, and it’s mostly Mike Enoch, one of the guys from The Right Stuff, he was on. And he was there and apparently he kind of initiated the salute there. It sounded like that they were very genuine. They weren’t trying to sort of, …

Tanstaafl: Exuberant!

John Friend: Yeah. I mean, I think there’s nothing wrong with doing a Roman salute. I mean, my God! Who cares? What struck me, and I mean, it doesn’t surprise me, but it’s just so incredible that the media was so focused on this.

Meanwhile outside we have these radical antifa protesters attacking people, disrupting restaurants, barging in and assaulting people, and spraying people with, … I mean, literally they apparently had some container filled with human excrement. And they were like spraying it on Spencer and other people there.

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I mean, this gets no coverage! And kids at school, young kids at school, young White kids at school who go on Facebook and say they voted for Trump, or say they like Trump, they’re getting beat up. No coverage! No coverage at all!

A White reporter – I just heard a story about this – a White reporter down in Houston went on Facebook the very next day after the election saying she was thankful that Trump was elected and made a couple other comments. She’s fired from her job. No coverage!

I mean, issues so insane that they’re freaking out about someone throwing up a Roman salute. A simple gesture, and meanwhile all these anti-Trump people are rampaging in the streets, burning down cities, attacking people. I mean, it’s just so insane! And so infuriating to see this.

Tanstaafl: Well it’s ironic, you know. They have this sort of two faced reaction. I made a little meme, an image meme about it. That the jews, they like out of one side of their face to mock us, that we’re so insignificant, we’re never going to win.

And then at the very next moment at the other side of their face, you know, they’re fretting about what’s going to happen when we do win!

And that you saw that with their reaction to the NPI thing. Which was such a blow up! The media blew that up way out of proportion, because it’s the jewish media.

I don’t say “media”, I call it the “jews media” even though it takes more characters in Twitter. I always wrote “jews media”, because it’s good to emphasize what is behind it. Instead of calling it the “mainstream media”, or the “liberal media”, and the “liberal bias” of the media, it’s a jewish bias in the media! It’s a jewish agenda, it’s jewish narrative.

They say they disguise it just like they disguise themselves sometimes. And other times they make it crystal clear.

And when they freak out about some guys given the Roman salute and saying “Heil”, they are basically telling us, … It’s like with their reaction to Trump’s speech about globalist elite, and bankers and media, that they’re telling you that it’s all about the jews, and exposing themselves!

John Friend: Yeah. Hey real quick. What do you think of Spencer’s speech down there at Texas A and M? Did you get a chance to watch it?

Tanstaafl: The initial coverage was pretty bad from Red Ice. I tuned in to a different link that was clearer for like I think the second half of the speech. And then the question & A, I caught the first half of that before that link went bad.

My reaction is respect. That he’s out there speaking openly to – in hostile territory – these people. Basically trolling them in real life. And that must be what he’s doing. Because I mean, it’s part of, …

One thing I don’t like really is why is he even talking to the enemy? Once I woke up to see race and my own feelings towards Whites, and myself as a White man, I had no interest in debating with blacks. And even as much as I now focus on jews, and trying to understand their arguments, and trying to understand their tactics and their techniques, I don’t have any interest in debating them about anything!

There is nothing to debate with our enemies! All we need to do is debate with ourselves to come to the conclusion that they are enemies! And that’s, I think, the most important thing, that they are enemies! And we need to fight them.

John Friend: Well, the thing is, and you can see this, … I didn’t really see much of his speech. I saw a few little video segments on Twitter before, you know, we started reporting this. So I really didn’t see hardly anything that happened there. But I did see some of the Q & A, some the questions asked.

And the thing is, and I’ve discovered this online, and comments, and whatnot, trying to engage and trying to have an honest discussion about these issues with jews, or with non-Whites, and you try and try, you try to be is honest and genuine as you can and explain your point of view as best you can, without being insulting, or condescending.

And these people are just dishonest! They don’t even want to try! They don’t even attempt to understand where you’re coming from. It’s that, or they’re so delusional, so brainwashed, by this anti-White narrative that you cannot have a discussion with these people.

There’s one clip I put it up on my Twitter feed right now. It’s a brief video of this big fat black chick at the university. She gets up, and she asked Spencer this question. And she’s saying how blacks founded civilization, and how blacks taught White people philosophy, and architecture, and everything else. And it’s like this lady, this black woman really does genuinely believe this! And not a single word she said is true, or backed up by any historical evidence, any archaeological evidence. She’s just so gone!

It’s like, how do you even engage in a discussion with someone like that? And the answer is, you can’t! Yeah you can’t, you don’t! It’s a waste of time.

I mean, I totally support what Spencer is doing. I think it’s good to have at least get up there and present our perspective. Something from a pro-White perspective. And I think he does a good job at that.

Tanstaafl: He did it without apology.

John Friend: Yeah. I think he’s good.

Tanstaafl: George Lincoln Rockwell used to do something similar. He used to go to colleges and give speeches in front of large audiences, to hostile jews, and anti-White Whites. And they were very popular.

And in fact, they were so popular that basically that was part of why this strategy of the jews to what they call “No platforming”. To basically stop debating!

I mean, they understand this existential struggle. And the fact that we are enemies! And once they understand that, they have this attitude that I’m talking about, or that you see, they don’t debate honestly. There’s nothing to debate! You’re a Nazi! You’re a racist! We you’re supposed to be destroyed:

“I’m surprised you’re still around. I thought we got rid of all you guys?”

That kind of attitude. And it’s a relentless and uncompromising attitude.

I learned that lesson early with this guy, Lawrence Auster online, who used to write in such “intellectual”, you know, nit picky. He would tear apart logically liberal arguments. And the minute you touched on the jews, he just lost his, … All the intellect went out the window! All that desire to argue and pick apart the little details, out the window!:

“You’re an anti-semite! Your basically a non-person, a non human being!”

Wouldn’t even talk to you directly anymore. Just talked about you in the third person like you were non human. And that was a shock to me, because I was like, as you described, at that point I was still kind of like not clear on just how deep this went. And how the racial animus, I didn’t understand it as racial animus.

I understood that the jews were enemies. I said that, I think, in the first post I made about it. Is they are not only our enemies, but their enemies. Which is kind of like I think the right idea! I had it pretty early on, I guess, when things snapped in my head I got it right away.

But it took me years then to basically fill in the pieces, the missing pieces, about how we got here. How did this happen, and the basic techniques that they used, the psychology of it.

John Friend: Yeah. Very well said. And there’s been a good conversation.

I have one final question and it relates to, … You had mentioned how the jews pursued a strategy back when Rockwell was giving all these speeches, of basically just not covering anything he was doing, at least for a certain period of time. They just deplatformed him, …

Tanstaafl: Banning him!

John Friend: Yeah. And banning him and shutting it down, of course.

But now it’s like they can’t give us enough ink, you know, they’re promoting the Alt-Right and all this, even though they’re doing it in many cases very dishonestly, and trying their best to demonize us.

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Tanstaafl: What I hear from the hive mind is that they’re torn on this. It’s like with Trump too. They gave Trump what they thought was enough rope to hang himself with. And it didn’t turn out the way they thought.

They thought by covering him that they would basically expose what a nutcase he was and people wouldn’t vote for him. And it didn’t turn out that way. They don’t have the level of control that they thought they had.

So that’s the sort of the positive message here. Is the jews are omnipotent. They’re not all powerful. They can be fought! And they can be defeated! Trump defeated them.

Unfortunately for us, he’s not a racialist, he’s not pro-White, he’s not anti jewish. But he was able to defeat them in spite of them throwing almost everything they had at him, short of bullets in the head.

John Friend: Well, what’s amazing to me is that they are giving us so much coverage. When they could just not be covering any of this.

Tanstaafl: It’s the rope thing. Like with the Heil Gate and the Bannon thing. It’s their concern and they’re airing it. And they’re putting their spin on it. And they’re basically building on decades of propaganda and billions of dollars invested in this negative associations with these things.

And so when they write a story about the NPI conference and these people giving Nazi salutes in Washington DC, There are basically trying to scare each other, and sort of warn each other:

“Hey! It’s happening again! It’s happening! And we’ve got to do something squash this!”

That’s why they do it. And I think they will switch to just silencing us. And it’s basically they can do both. I mean, they’ve got the ADL and other organizations lobbying constantly to get us shutdown. They try to shut down the NPI thing. They do both at the same time. They cover it with their spin on it, and [chuckling] they try to shut it down same time! And there’s not a contradiction there.

And it’s a constant debate, as I was saying amongst the hive mind of the jews media. On Twitter you can see them having this debate every day about this whether they should do this, or that, or more of this, or less of that. That kind of thing:

“Is it good, or bad for the jews?”

Basically.

John Friend: Right.

Tanstaafl: Constantly.

John Friend: What do you think is the future of the Alt-Right? Do you see this as something that’s going to have a legitimate political impact in the years to come?

[96:18]

Tanstaafl: Yes. I think like the Tea Party, it will go on. There’s been struggles for this past year and a half over the soul of it, and who gets to define it. And I know Andrew Anglin has fought very hard to make sure that people did not “steal it”. And that Alt-Light didn’t get away with it.

Even Spencer himself has defended it from Alt-Light type people coming into it and trying to redefine it. The jews media tried early on to define it as Milo. Milo Yiannopoulos was the leader of it. And I forget who else. Several other like not just Alt-Light, but, you know, jew friendly type figures that they tried to nominate.

And even recently Jared Taylor, up until this Heil Gate thing, jared Taylor was being touted as a leader of Alt-Right. And that’s kind of disgusting to me!

Because, you know, Taylor, as much as I can credit him with waking people up to racial consciousness, he is a person that has spent far too much time thinking about what the problems are to not see the jews, to not see the jews role in this!

And every time he’s pressed on the issue, he cucks for the jews! He defends the jews! Says that they’re White basically, or at least some of them are, and that we sort of have to welcome some of them.

Because why? Well, he never really explains. Why do White people need to accept jews as White? There is no good reason that he offers for that. And he’s really pressed on it. And when he is pressed on that he disappoints as far as understanding that the jews are the enemy.

I think that his statement about the Heil Gate thing was basically he went right to the point of:

“I don’t think it’s a good idea to call jews enemies. The jews can be White.”

He said. And that’s exactly wrong! That’s worse than Alt-Light! That’s worse than normie White! That’s like you’re basically an enemy yourself!

John Friend: Yeah.

Tanstaafl: If you don’t recognize the enemy and call it “the enemy”, and, in fact, say the opposite, that they’re not our enemy, that they’re actually White people who maybe have lost their way, or whatever, and we should accept them. That’s actually like enemy activity!

John Friend: Treason, yeah? It really is. And I mean, the guy’s very intelligent obviously. And he said a lot of very good things. But on this one issue. I mean, I’ve always felt this way about him. Because I remember the first time I discovered his work. It was him cucking on the jews. And I’m like:

“What is this guy talking about!”

Jews are not White. I mean, ask a jew yourself and they will tell you they’re not White. They hate White people [chuckling]. They’ll tell you themselves!

Tanstaafl: They dance around it! This is something that has been coming out during this election cycle is this “goy posing”, where they pretend to be White. And there’s value to pretending to be White for them.

And that’s the only time they will pretend to be White is when there’s value in it for them. Either to shift the blame to White people. Like say when some jew gets caught doing something really bad, you know, they’re portrayed in the jewish media as a “White” person!:

“This is just another example of White privilege and White abuses!”

And they’re not identified as jews. That’s one thing. But then they’ll also, and this is even smaller jews. And online, on Twitter, this really got exposed very badly. And the (((echo meme))) thing was a big part of this.

That the jews will say something negative about White people, speaking for White people, speaking to White people, as a White person:

“I think this, or that shitty thing about White people!”

And they would posture as if they were White.

And people started to basically call them on it and put parentheses around their (((name))), or mock them, and laugh at them. And say:

“You’re not White! You’re a jew!”

And the best was when they post some picture, a snapshot of some previous tweet, that they had made where they were saying:

“As a jew, I think this, or that!”

And this isn’t just some new thing. It’s newly discovered, and it’s a new form of calling the jews on it. It’s actually a very positive sign that White people are calling the jews on this. For decades the jews have gotten away with this posturing as White, in order to tell us what to do, to basically posture as moral authorities about what White people should, or shouldn’t do, should, or shouldn’t say!

And then, sort of like that the double talk of it, is that then if they are pressed on the issue, it’ll be like:

“Well, because I’m a jew, I really understand these issues best about hate and minorities being oppressed, and, because of the ‘Holocaust’ and all!”

So it’s a real example of privilege where they can basically be White when they want to shit on White people, and shovel blame our way. And they can be jews when they want to be treated specially in a positive way and be protected, because they’re jews.

And this is something that they’ve done throughout history. This posing as their host. I mean, it has this biological analogy where a parasite will literally disguise itself. It’s called “Crypsis”. So that the host mistakes it as one of its own.

And understanding it at that level, it’s very explicative. It really explains what’s going on in a solid sense. But it’s also like the most stomach churning way of seeing it, that it makes so much sense, it’s like:

“God, this is bad!”

John Friend: Yeah. [chuckling]

Tanstaafl: This is for me, I’m a kind of embroiled in it. And Trump is too!

You see how it happens. The jews gravitate, at least some of them do, towards mixing with the most powerful in their host. And they use that infiltration then to enhance their ability to manipulate that host.

And by doing it amongst the most powerful people, of course, they get the most leverage that way. By intermixing with the aristocracy, or the leaders of a given society.

I think of it as like claws, or fangs biting into the host, and it allows then the larger body of jews, the other half of the jews the jewry, the Orthodox, Hasidim, who basically are a closed gene pool, transfer the wealth and the energy that they suck out of their host to that sort of fruiting body to feed on! It’s disgusting! But that’s what’s happening right now.

Jew York City especially, sort of like the epicenter of this, where you got these Orthodox jew communities springing up, colonies really, you could think of them as, all around the New York City area. Where basically they take over. And it’s like a little Israel in those places!

John Friend: Yeah. It’s a real problem. The jewish problem! That is the best way to look at it. And as he said before it really is a jewish war on White people. That’s the way it should be understood. Because that’s exactly what’s going on. And the sooner Whites recognize that, the sooner we can finally deal with it!

And in order to deal with it we have to be clear about race. We have to be clear about what the jews are up to. And we have to be real about our history! And not accept these weaponized jewish narratives of World War Two especially, but many other aspects of our collective history.

And we cannot let them manipulate us with these with these buzzwords, “racist”, “anti-semite”. I mean, we have to totally break free of all of their aspects of control. And I think we’re making steps in that direction.

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Tanstaafl: Oh yes! Big progress! Lots of people, it’s incredible how many people and how quickly they’re waking up to it. I remember when I first woke up myself. It seemed like it was kind of depressing, because there were so few people that were actually discussing it. I mean, it was literally a handful of websites. And all credit to the generations of men and women who’ve gone before, that were aware of the problem and died for it! Died fighting!

But by the early 2000s it was like just a handful of people in the corners of the web where we’re discussing these things. And now it’s just a totally different environment. It’s like a giant websites with obviously hundreds, or thousands of people getting together and discussing these things. And discussing it, like I said, on Twitter, openly mocking the jews, as jews, for trying to pull their old tricks that used to work.

And they’re not working. So the reaction to that is to shut down. That’s why they ban people when you do confront them and expose them directly. Then that’s when they have to shut you down.

John Friend: That’s right. Well Tan, I don’t know if you had any other closing remarks?

If you do please let us know. And if not, you go ahead and plug your website. And we will wrap up this program.

Tanstaafl: Yeah. This just one last point. Which is that a theme I’ve hit on many times over the last couple of years, is this “suicide meme”, which is also “pathological altruism”, it’s sometimes called. Which I think of a “suicide meme 2.0”. It’s more a more sciency thing.

I think it’s been discredited. And I think it wasn’t because of the arguments that I made – maybe a small part because of that. But it was mainly because the events going on around us discredited the idea that White people are doing this to ourselves! We see that it was the invasion of Europe when the so-called “refugee” thing got out of control in 2015. A lot of people, even people who previously had been silent, spoke up about it and could see for themselves that this is destruction! This is not self-inflicted.

This is like a somebody inside the Gates has opened the Gates for the outside world to pour in. And our leaders, our supposedly leaders are welcoming it! And defending these aliens against us! And that was exactly the kind of thing that I realized back in 2007, or so, when I woke up, that it was a clear to me.

But a lot of people, … Just like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, and these things that the jewish media have had hyped out of control, “Black Lives Matter”, what it finally culminated in, it actually ends up a wakening people to what’s going on. And so I think that’s a good thing.

And I’m sick of hearing about the suicide meme! I thought in its original form it originated from jews who are basically just trying to make an excuse for the fact that it was a jew war on Whites. That’s what’s going on. It’s a genocide agenda! And it’s a jewish genocide agenda of Whites.

I think a lot of people getting that. They’re not just getting that it’s about race and about jews. But they get that Whites are in big trouble. And yes, we’ve got all sorts of pathological behaviors and all sorts of sick things, degenerate things that we’re up to.

But this is not something that arose naturally within ourselves and would have happened without the jews. This is totally instigated by this alien people that see us as their enemy! And have basically inflicted this upon us. And it wouldn’t be happening without them. So it’s, …

John Friend: Yes. I totally agree.

Tanstaafl: We have to fight! I mean, that’s the main way. When people say:

“Oh! But we have to improve ourselves! We have to do better and, …”

Yeah! Let’s do better! Let’s recognize our enemies as enemies! And let’s fight them! Instead of pretending that we’re the only thing that exists in the world. And we’re the only force to be reckoned with.

That’s not going to work. I mean, that’s like if you were, I don’t know, infected with some small parasite that makes you sick. And you just pretend:

“All I have to do is think positive thoughts, and have a strong identity, and then this wouldn’t happen to me!”

No! It would happen! And you need to recognize what the real root of the problem is and deal with that problem!

So that’s the last thought. My web site is Age of Treason dot com.

[110:04]

There’s not much activity between say January, February of this year, and just this past month. And I don’t know how long have the energy to keep writing. As I said in the past, I don’t really like repeating myself. I see these themes over, and over, again.

Twitter kind of got me in the habit of, on a daily basis, posting at least short things. So people may notice compared to my older blog posts which were very long and detailed. And I don’t trouble with that anymore. I don’t make elaborate arguments anymore.

Maybe I still have that in me at some point I will post that. But right now I’m more concerned to get important issues, and focus on them, make a blog post focusing on an issue that I think is actually crucial. And maybe say something pretty simple about it.

And it’s a good way to get past writer’s block for me. Because after being away from it – blog posting for so long – actually, it was quite a struggle to write the first blog post [chuckling]! I was instigated by the pent up energy of not being able to post on Twitter anymore. So it happened.

And once it happened once that I was able to start writing more. But I don’t intend to go back to multi page long things. And I don’t even know about podcasting. I mean, it took a lot of energy to make the podcasts I’ve made. And I covered all the basics.

At this point, I’d only be adding a few little details. So I don’t know what I’ll be doing in the future, is basically what I’m trying to say.

If people are curious about these issues and they think that what I’m saying is exaggerated, go read some of the things I’ve written on my blog, and documented, and linked to. I make detailed arguments. For people who are truly curious, they’ll go and they can find the information.

John Friend: Yeah, I completely agree. And I hope people do check out your website and check out your radio archives. And also check out the previous podcast that we did a year ago, that I mentioned at the very beginning of this program.

Tanstaafl: I agree.

John Friend: Yeah, I think that was very good. And, in fact, the title of that podcast was “The jew as a Parasite”! So we really get into the jewish problem in probably even greater detail than we did in this show.

But yeah, man, you’re always welcome here. I mean, it’s always great talking to you. I think between you and MacDonald, I think you guys are really kind of done more than then, … I mean, I guess in a contemporary context I think Hitler’s had a huge impact on my understanding of the jewish problem.

But you and MacDonald have added a lot to it. Help me come to the conclusions that I’ve come to. And I think they’re very well founded and unavoidable!

Tanstaafl: Yeah.

John Friend: If you simply do the research.

Tanstaafl: Well, thank you John. And it makes me happy to hear that I’ve had an influence, a positive influence, on other White people. And I’ve heard that from a handful of people over the last couple of years. And it makes me happy!

I mean, I’ve invested quite a few hours in trying not only to understand it myself, but then to try and explain it in terms that other people would maybe have an easier time then, if I laid it out, the work that I had invested. And I’m glad I did that. And I’ll continue to do it as long as I can find the time and energy to do it.

John Friend: Excellent! Well, thank you so much for joining me today. We will have to do another program in the future, maybe once Trump finally gets in and, …

Tanstaafl: Once we see what he’s, …

John Friend: Once we see what he’s doing, exactly! Yeah that’s really what I’ve been… I mean, we can sit here and speculate all day long. But I really want to see what he’s going to do. I think some of his picks are kind of revealing. But ultimately will this kind of have to wait and see what happens. But hopefully we’ll still be able to communicate if, you know, [chuckling] at that point assuming he doesn’t sign some crazy legislation.

So anyways, thanks a lot than! And I really do appreciate it. And please do keep up the great work. And I hope people check out your website. And we will talk again soon.

Tanstaafl: Thanks John.

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 See Also:

The Realist Report Interviews TANSTAAFL — 2016 — TRANSCRIPT

The Realist Report – Tanstaafl: The Jew As A Parasite — TRANSCRIPT

Luke Ford – JQ Debate with Age Of Treason – Mar 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Anglin is the founder of The Daily Stormer and has written countless articles on race realism, nationalism, Jewish influence, and social degeneracy.We begin by discussing the recent terrorist attack at Ohio State University. Since Andrew hails from Ohio, he’s able to offer us a firsthand perspective on the – and growing – Somali community in his home state. We learn that the Somalian refugees are overwhelmingly unemployed; many, though, are involved in illegal activities, such as heroin trafficking. Unlike other immigrant groups, such as Mexicans or Indians, Somalians aren’t brought in by the elite as a cheap labor force. In light of this, we ponder why our ruling class is intent on importing large numbers of people who are, biologically and culturally, very different from us. This leads to a discussion on the issue of Muslim rape gangs in Europe, and how decades of Jewish control of newspapers have pushed a narrative that have convinced White people that it is moral to commit racial and cultural suicide.

Henrik Palmgren: Welcome ladies and gentlemen, I’m Henrik Palmgren. This is Red Ice Radio. We are very glad to have you here today. redice.tv/live is the website. Please check it out for more radio shows, videos and our TV show and of course our busy news section, as well.

Well today with us is Andrew Anglin from the Daily Stormer. I don’t think he needs an introduction, frankly. I think both friend and foe do know him by now. A very effective journalist that covers the kind of stuff that very few others do. At least in the humorous, in the way that he does it. And, of course, there is a lot that we have on the plate today in terms of discussions to go into, from Trump, to the Alt-Right, to the recent NPI controversy. But also, of course, the attack on Ohio State University, the people there. By the, I mean the feral Somalis population up there. And do believe me I know the situation. We have them in Sweden too. I think you guys recall the Australian, Sixty Minutes crew that were in the suburbs outside of Stockholm to cover how great immigration was. They were actually attacked primarily by Somalis. So it is, for sure, a problem. But Andrew, welcome to the show. Good to finally actually have a dedicated radio show with you. We have you, of course, on our TV show before, but we haven’t had a chance, I guess, to sit down and spend two segments together, so thank you for coming on.

Andrew Anglin: I’m very happy to be here Henrik. I told you when you sent me an e-mail inviting me, I said I’ve been waiting years for this! [Henrik laughing] So I’m very, very happy to be here!

Henrik: Sure! Of course, you know, it’s great, of course! You were on Lana’s show before and we had you on the TV show and this seems like a perfect time, considering what happening, in Ohio. You know, your home state, to actually address this issue.

Andrew: Yes.

Henrik: I haven’t, … Frankly I haven’t, actually, embarrassingly have to say, I’ve been so busy both after NPI and all the things that we have upcoming, with live streams and live shows, that I have not actually been able to follow up on the Ohio situation. How, … Can you break this down for, I guess, the audience and me actually. Quickly in terms of what actually happened?

Andrew: Yeah, it was an eighteen year old Somalian refugee and he was attending OSU and drove his car into a crowd and then got out and started stabbing people with a butcher knife, and then he was shot by a White police officer. No one died. So, a total of ten people were injured. I think most of them were stabbed. The car, the driving, people kind of moved out of the way, when he drove his car into them. So, most of people who were injured were stabbed. And he, yeah, I mean, this is what these people do. He had been, interesting enough, he had been profiled in a, in a OSU, I think it was Lantern, which is the official OSU student journal, student newspaper, talking about, you know, how he was a good refugee and he was integrating and he was, you know, cooperating with the system, assimilating. And he was complaining though, about that there weren’t enough prayer rooms, OK?

And when I first saw this, I could, I’m around these Somalians, you know. This is my city and we have, they won’t tell you how many there are. But there are probably a 100,000. I mean they give you these different statistics. And, you know, a few years ago they came out and said there was like 50 something thousand, but I think there’s a lot more than that. I mean, these people breed like rats! And I think that, you know, they play these games with statistics, where it’s like well, some of them are not actually refugees anymore, because we gave them citizenship. Or, you know, …

Henrik: Yeah, word play, stupid, …

Andrew: Yeah, you know, “mathemagics”. But they, these people are everywhere. So I’m aware of the, you know, the behavior patterns of these people. And they like an extremely low IQ. Like lower than even the new norms for mentally retarded. Like they have about a 60 to 65 average IQ. So, I mean these are the lowest IQ group in the world, besides, the Australian aboriginals. I mean these are not even like normal negroes. So when I saw this, … When I saw this attack, I said he probably just got the idea in his head and just did it right then! You know, just went and did it, because like, I’m just going to do this right now!

But, it turns out he did post something on Facebook, but, before he did it. But, I mean, the way it’s written on Facebook, it looks like it was done on a phone. I think, probably he made the decision to do this without any, you know, prior, at least not more than an hour, or so, prior thought to it. You know, I mean it’s just like any of these people that can just blow at any time. And it’s surprising that it doesn’t happen more often.

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Henrik: Yeah, it’s amazing. I think average IQ just looking at peripheral fast search here, Somalis 68! And I think, what is the retardations like, 50 to 55? It depends on what level, of course, but actually it goes up even up to 70, I believe, mild mental retardation. Couple that, of course, with, you know, some of these populations in northern United States, lots of Scandinavians there and stuff, it’s usually around, … I don’t know, 100 maybe, something like that, … Very difficult for these people to integrate into our kind of society.

Andrew: No and they don’t attempt to. I mean there’s like, … Of the first generation refugees, … they were like, … they came over as adults, like 7% of them had jobs. This is statistic from a couple of years ago. You know, I’ve studied this before, I was kind of looking into it recently. I was going to write a big article about Somalians in my city and, you know, just my experience with these people, but they’ve taken over entire areas and they just create Somalia inside of these ghettos that they create. and they’ve taken neighborhoods, you know, they first started coming in the mid 90s.

I was born in 1984 so, when I was, you know, pretty small boy they started coming, they allegedly had a civil war. I mean, you know, I say allegedly, it’s like that these people are always having these tribal wars and so on. But they used it as an excuse to just flood us with these people. The governor at the time was getting tax breaks for bringing these refugees in, Federal money rather, for bringing these refugees in and settling them in Ohio. Mainly in Columbus, which is my hometown and, … yeah, … So they took over entire — I mean you can just, now you can look at a map of the city and say well this is Somalian territory! Because nobody, nobody can live near them, even the local, … I don’t know what you’d call them, “indigenous negroes” cannot live with these people. And they’re the ones who have to live the closest to them and they can’t get along with them at all. They hate them.

I don’t know if people, you know, I mean you do from Sweden, they go to Sweden, most people in the US probably are not aware — unless they are from Columbus, Ohio, or from some place in Minnesota — of what these Somalians are. They’re not like normal blacks, they have a bulb shaped head that looks like a gray alien. [both laughing] I mean it’s a really weird face they have, it’s like a triangle. And, you know, they have a completely different behavior pattern. I mean actually most of the people that come over from Africa, if they’re from Sierra Leone, or something, these people are not, … they don’t act like American blacks. They’re not, you know, super violent. I mean they’re stupid and they live on welfare and so on, but they’re not so bad as the American blacks.

But these Somalians are much worse! And they drive cars, … I mean, I don’t know how they are allowed to drive cars, but they just drive them and crash them. One time, you know, family members, there were two crashes where a Somalian was responsible, in my family, within like a month and a half period. You know, these Somalians will just slam straight into you! And then, I mean, … they don’t even try to drive correctly. And I mean, you have to run into them at gas stations, you know… And they’re just horrible these people. They make this noise. Their language is like some kind of, … I guess it’s a little bit influenced by Arabic, but it’s like a totally tribal language. I don’t think most of them can read it, but when you go to the BMV they have Somalian language. In all government buildings, I think now, in Columbus. They have Somalian language written on signs.

Henrik: Hm! Amazing! I remember, actually just a quick anecdote about this. Actually, many years ago I was kind of interning at this kind of a government program to try to learn foreigners coming to Sweden, have them learn Swedish, right? So I actually, I handled the computer class for some of these people and I think those were the most difficult, … just to communicate, convey the idea, you know, about the how the computer operates. So, for example, when you move the mouse, you know, on the mouse pad, or whatever, that, that reflects the movement of the mouse [cursor] on the screen. And some of these Somalis were basically unable to communicate the methodology of how a computer works to them.

Very fascinating! and it was like [laughing] causing tremendous amount of problems because these [people] comes to our societies. In a country like Sweden we have a very high education level. Actually in Sweden, you know, most of the young adults there they go to school the longest period of anyone in the world, almost. And so they have a ton of education behind them. And for us to integrate these people into that educational system and then get them into the workforce, is basically close to impossible. Which means that many of these people are just left outside of the workforce and are just ending up living on welfare. And I guess, I would assume, it’s the same in the States then?

[10:32]

Andrew: Yeah, absolutely. I mean these people have been there for decades and there’s nothing going on. I mean I’ve never seen one behaving normally. I mean, you don’t see them like, you know, working at a normal job. Sometimes you see them like, … You don’t even see them, like, working at MacDonald’s, or Taco Bell or something like at a drive-thru. The only jobs they are going to be working are like sweeping floors. I mean, they are really just the epitome of the stupid non-white immigrant! [laughing]

It’s like, anybody who talks about that, “race doesn’t exist” you can look at two groups of people — you can look at Somalians and you can look at the Aborigines. The Aboriginals of Australia. These are like, … you can’t even really say that they’re, like, the same species.

I don’t know why Somalians, you know, I mean there’s probably some kind of explanation for it — but I don’t think anybody has really researched it — why they’re so much different than the rest of the Africans. I guess it’s some kind of inbreeding, you know, I mean these tribes over there, wherever they are going on, they are probably obsessively inbreeding to create this weird look they have, and this behavior.

Henrik: Yeah, I mean a lot of tribal warfare there, as you said. That’s been, of course, one of the reasons why they’ve been exported to some, you know, many other countries. I’m just reading the fertility rates of the average Somali woman is about 6.56. That was measured in 2013. I mean that’s a lot compared to the Western world! And some of them I’ve even seen some families that have like 13, 14, 15 kids! And despite this, it says — I guess this goes back to the statistics I just mentioned — they claim there’s about 85,000 Somalis in the US. That can’t be right, it has to be more.

Andrew: No, I think there’s that many in Columbus. I mean probably. There’s, you know, they’re everywhere and, you know, but they gave us numbers like from 2012 that they said, close to that. Well not close to that, I think they said 50 something, or 60 [thousand]. I’m not looking at it in front of me right now, but I mean, it’s just, everybody says it’s a lie. Everybody knows that it’s a lie, and there’s like a 100,000 of these people in Columbus, Ohio. This is the number that everybody, that lives there, kind of is working with on the ground.

I mean, the other thing about these Somalians, and it’s like, it’s, they’re totally useless! And the only, … when you look at it you’re like, the only reason you would bring these people into your country is if you were trying to destroy the society! So it’s like, you know, with the Mexicans, or with the Indians even. Well, I mean probably the Indians more than the Mexicans, … You know, they’re working these low jobs, these low paying jobs. The Indians come in take away tech jobs and working for lower wages. And the Mexicans do, whatever, I mean construction and working in restaurants and cleaning and so on. You know, these people actually, … you can say like as a capitalist, from that perspective of like, we need lower wages. That this make some kind of sense to bring these types of groups into the country.

But when it comes to the Somalians, all they do is live on welfare and commit crimes! They do nothing else! Like I say, I mean, the statistics is like one in ten, less than one in ten has ever had a job! They just all live on welfare. And you see them driving around in SUVs. I mean, I don’t know, a lot of them sell heroin. I didn’t say this before, a lot of them in Columbus, Ohio, are involved in this heroin trade, as well.

Henrik: I didn’t know that there was that many in Ohio. I mean, I’ve heard of Minnesota obviously and it seems that these globalists, like, love to push the Scandinavian, like Somali connection, for some reason. [laughing] It’s like ultimate disaster! But I didn’t know that there was that many in Ohio, … OK, so, I mean, this is the situation that has occurred, it’s fairly rare, but I’ve seen footage of these, like stampedes, in malls and stuff like that, which seems to be primarily driven by Somalis. Is this – are we going to see more of this kind of behavior now, do you think?

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Andrew: Yeah, probably. I mean, I don’t know how many more of them are going to be allowed in. Hopefully Donald Trump is going to remove these people. But, I mean, basically what they’ve done is create their own ghettos that they are expanding now. But they don’t, I mean you don’t see these people all that often, living in Columbus, because you avoid them. 

I mean, there’s intersectional places, where especially they can hit you with their cars. You know, in places where the neighborhoods cross and you’re going to be at an intersection and they’re going to run the light and just crash into the side of your car! Which happens all the time.

But, you know, I mean they created their own ghettos. So as far as like, you know, mall stampedes, if that happens probably nobody would even know about it, because it would be at their own mall where they’re the only people there and probably the shops are owned by Arabs and Turks, and nobody even would be aware that that happened. A couple of years ago there was a big thing where they rioted when they were trying to get Section 8 housing, and there were like a hundred positions open for Section 8 housing and like, over a thousand Somalians showed up and they start fighting and burning cars!

You know, I mean this is the most primitive country in the world, basically. Somalia! They have no government. The libertarian dream, they are living it in Somalia! [both laughing] But they, you know, the initiation of force that is going on. But yeah. This is a primitive, … I mean these people are living in dirt on the ground. [more laughing] You see pictures of Somalia, these people actually living on the ground!

Henrik: There is a tremendous problem obviously with Islam and some of these radical groups, I think it’s Al-Shabaab. We’ve actually had a lot of people, the infiltration of Al-Shabaab into, actually, certain Swedish institutions and stuff. And, you know, these, you know, naive Scandinavians seems to be utterly, just completely devoid of realizing what this is, or how dangerous this is, or what these people are all about. And I think, you know, we’ve heard about other kinds of stabbings at malls and attacks, and I think was one even in September, there were some Somalians that were attacking someone in a mall, or something like that. I think this is going to be a tremendous, you know, problem. Why do you think he was — has anything come out why he was like radicalized, or how this was done? Because it was was a Muslim thing, right?

Andrew: Yeah, yeah. He left that Facebook post where he said — he started talking about Burma! What is that even, … it must have been something, … Burma! I mean who would even think of Burma?! And what has the United States have to do with Burma? They might have something to do with Burma, I actually have no idea. But, I mean it’s mostly a Buddhist thing going on in Burma, where they’re sick of the behavior of these Muslims. He started talking about Burma and I said he must have watched something in a class, I mean he is at OSU. He must of, because who even hears about Burma? I mean this Burma situation has been going on forever! It’s not something that people are sitting around thinking about Burma. So that’s what he wrote in his post. I don’t know. He probably watched ISIS videos, or something.

I mean they’re all obsessed with Islam because, you know, they’re very primitive people and this appeals to these people. And I mean, when you bring a foreign group to live among a population that is totally different than them, they’re going to bond together and hate everybody who’s around them. Unless they’re White people, because White people wouldn’t hate anybody. But, you know, maybe this is a problem, but actually, … they will bond together and, you know, that Islam kind of helps with that. And that’s one of the reasons they probably refuse to learn the language, you know, they just look at everybody else as an “other” and yeah, … I mean it’s surprising it does not happen more often. I mean it does happen. They shoot a lot of people, but it’s usually like drug related, or just some kind of thing in a parking lot where they shoot somebody and nobody knows why. I mean that stuff happens virtually every week in Columbus, Ohio.

But they’re horrible and they destroy neighborhoods. It’s like, as soon as — you know my family works in real estate, property and so on — you know, as soon as a Somalian moves in to a neighborhood, it’s like, well, that’s over! Yeah, literally everybody starts trying to sell and the property prices collapse. Because nobody wants to be around these people. And they bring them all — they can bring. I mean they can drive down the price of a property by moving into a neighborhood and then everybody wants to get out. So then, they can move in and the people who own these apartment complexes are forced to work with the government at that point to, you know, like government housing, Section 8 deals with the government. I mean this is a pattern of how they’ve just expanded and taken over the city.

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Henrik: Yeah, it’s pretty amazing. Obviously they would be — as you said, just to hammer that point a little bit — they would feel by default as outsiders because of the fact that they won’t be, … they won’t be able to come into and integrate into society. So they will literally create like, a society within the society. Again, we have the same problem in Sweden and it’s not only Somalis, it’s many other groups. But the fact is, that this will make them feel alienated, it will make them feel as outsiders, which is very likely why some of these people are drawn even more to radical Islamic ideas. Because it was like they, they’re grappling and reaching for some kind of anchoring, really, some kind of root, something that ties them to their identity. And frankly I understand that. I mean, that’s a human drive, but the viciousness of this comes into the fact that there is someone lobbying to bring these people into Western countries and think that somehow this is going to turn out good. I mean it’s insanity!

Andrew: Yeah, I don’t think that anybody actually thinks that. I mean, when you see the Somalians, anybody who is around these people, they are like the Zerg. It’s a good analogy there.

Henrik: What was that again?

Andrew: [laughing] It’s from Starcraft.

Henrik: Oh, really, OK. That was a long time since I played that, …

Andrew: Yeah, an insectoid alien race, … Nobody can say that they’re offering benefit to society and they just keep coming! I mean they just keep coming in! And they keep bringing more and more and more of them in and they’re reproducing. And, I mean, nobody can explain why you would bring people, because why? I mean, the only thing to say, is that it’s sad that they’re poor. So you have to bring them in your country and let them live on welfare? And this is like a nonsense type of argument! It’s sad that they’re poor, so we’re going to just destroy our city, our society, because it’s sad that they live in this poor country?

Henrik: Right.

Andrew: That’s insane! I mean there are poor people all over the world, so based on this logic you would have to bring everyone in the world into the US?

Henrik: And they’re trying, aren’t they? And they’re trying, …

Andrew: They are, they are trying, yeah! With these other groups, though, you can come up with some kind of argument. You can say, well the Mexicans, they’re doing the jobs Americans don’t want to do and — I mean, businesses at a certain high level, they are benefiting, at least in the short term, with driving down wages, or they have, you know, benefited in the short term with driving down wages by bringing all these Mexicans. So you can look at it and say, well this is why they’re doing it. I understand there’s a logic to that, that these big companies lobby the government, they want open borders because they benefit from this cheap labor. With Somalians the only possible reason you can do it is because you’re trying to destroy society.

Henrik: Absolutely amazing! You know, this is not going to end well. And we’re just, I think just seeing the beginning of this now.

What do you think — let’s get into Trump a bit here and let’s speculate a bit about what he can actually achieve in these kinds of situations, in these kinds of scenarios. I mean he was the one who actually addressed, you know, radical Islam. He actually, you know, brought it to the surface, he talked about it and thankfully people love the fact that he was addressing this kind of stuff and immigration and really trying to tackle some of these issues. Where do you think he’s going to go, when more and more of these kinds of attacks are going to occur and there’s going to be — I mean, it seems that the attitude of mainstream liberal America right now is basically, we can’t, by name, single them out. We can’t assume that they are going to, you know, be terrorists or commit any crimes, because if we do that, we alienate them. And at that point they will turn on us and they will bomb us, basically. So they think, like — just shut up about it, don’t say anything, don’t bring any attention to it and it’s going to go, it’s just going to go away. That seems to be kind of the mainline strategy right now of  how to deal with this issue.

Andrew: Yeah, I know. I mean, this is the thing they keep saying that if you say anything negative about Islam, then you’re helping terrorism and you’re encouraging terrorism! So if you hurt their feelings, they will kill you! And this is what they said, Donald Trump is helping ISIS, by saying he doesn’t want more Muslims in the United States. If you stop them from coming in then the ones that are already there will kill you! [laughing] It’s like, … Wow! I mean, that kind of logic, this was crazy to me! Because it was like, it wasn’t just one person who said that, which would be bad enough. It was like the whole media at the same time, was like, if you don’t let more of these people in, then the ones who are already here will kill you because of it. [laughing]

Henrik: So, you see, they think they’re preventing terror — that’s the way that they’re going to deal with terrorism! Just bow down and do anything they want, try to bend over and they won’t kill us. No, problem solved, Right?

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Andrew: I know, yeah. That is the bottom line of the reasoning that they are presenting. And I mean, you know, if these people are so, … unhinged that if you do something that hurts their feelings they’re just all of a sudden start killing people randomly, these terrorist acts where there’s going randomly kill people, then probably you should not have any of those people in your country. I mean it’s the most obvious thing! You know, Muslims — what is the benefit of these people? What do they provide to society? Muslims, I mean we talk about Somalians — that’s, you know, the most extreme — but just generally Muslims — are they benefiting our society? Can anybody really make that argument seriously?

Henrik: Why do they need to be — it’s almost when you hear the rhetoric of mainstream media and these progressives — it’s like, they have to be in America, we have to continue to bring in more Muslims for some reason. I haven’t heard it being legitimized, or reasoning behind it, it’s just we can’t possibly keep them out. We have to bring them in. What’s the reasoning?

Andrew: There is no reasoning. Just that we will call you a racist, which is the worst thing anybody can be called, if you don’t accept it. So you have no choice to accept it, or we will — if you don’t accept it — we will call you names. And this is, I mean, with Donald Trump we finally broke through this because he was just like, “What?!” I mean we got to the point where we cannot talk about this and you can’t say openly, “What are these people doing here?” I mean this guy who drove his car and stabbed these people at OSU, he could have been — he could be sent home. I mean, he is not a given — I mean, they can all be sent home. This stupid thing that you can’t possibly remove them. Every single one of these people who is not White can be sent home from the United States. That is physically possible and it wouldn’t even really take that long. But this guy, …

Henrik: Don’t they want to leave already, now that Trump has gotten in? Is he somehow — they think he’s going to deport people already so they’re thinking about leaving — some of them, I guess? I don’t think they would though. They just talk, right, isn’t it?

Andrew: Yeah, I know, I mean it’s like Lena Dunham, she was going to leave. Yeah, I know. I mean, I think they’re trying to get all they can before they’re forced out. But like, OK, you know, some of these people, to get some of these people out, Donald Trump — I mean he would have to work with Congress and there has to be a process and so on, but the visa that this guy had, who stabbed up the kids, at OSU, he could just be sent home. I mean right, like immediately. Donald Trump could sign an executive order to strip that class of refugee visa and they could just say well, “Hey buddy, you’ve got to go back to Somalia, you know?” Maybe read up on some libertarian literature and you can start a private road business. [laughing] There is no government country.

So yeah, I mean that group of people can be sent home. He’s talked about sending home these — I mean he says, he’s promised he’s going to do it immediately. Round up two to three million illegal Mexican criminals and send them home. So there are things that he can do to get rid of these people immediately, that don’t require congressional approval, or any kind of government process, to just do it. And a lot of these Somalians — I mean they’ve given a bunch of citizenship now, so obviously that creates another level of technical details that you have to deal with to get rid of these people. But, a lot of the Muslims can just be sent home, a lot. You know, a huge percentage of all these people can be sent home.

Henrik: You know, I think Trump hopefully — he made a smart kind of a word play, I guess, when he did that – after he won the election — he did an interview with 60 minutes and, you know, they were like — that was one of the central questions that the interviewer, whatever her name is — Lesley Stahl, or whatever the hell her name is, …

Andrew: Yeah, a horrible woman, …

Henrik: [laughing] Yeah, absolutely horrible. She was like pressing him on this issue of immigration and like, “Oh my” — or these illegal immigrants — “What are you going to do? How are you going to deport these people?” And then he started talking about, you know, “Well the criminals, like those that are criminal.” And my reasoning when I heard that it was well, by default a criminal would be an illegal immigrant, right? [laughing] The very aspect that they’re here in the US illegally that makes them a criminal. So by even his own definition that should mean — he should be able to send all of them home, because they’ve entered into the country under false premises. And all he has to do is basically create the legal incentive, willpower and direction of the government of saying, “No, these people did it wrong, they have to go back!” And then he can, you know — I think he said something like that – they can apply from the outside, or something like that, whatever. But the point is they’ve not followed the rules and hence they are criminals, right?

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Andrew: Yeah. No, I mean — what he’s talking about is ones who have committed crimes other than the immigration itself. That have committed crimes and are being held, you know, in sanctuary in the United States — just allowed, I mean they arrest these people and then just release them. They don’t deport them.

Henrik: I know, it’s amazing.

Andrew: So what he’s talking about is doing a roundup. Like a mass roundup — like kicking in doors, you know, at 3 a.m. pulling people out of bed in their underwear and throwing them in a black van, get them on a train back to — back across the Rio Grande. So I mean, I think he’s going to do that.

What you would do after that though, I mean in practical terms, is start giving serious fines to both businesses that hire them and people that rent to them. Because if they can’t get jobs, or can’t get places to live, they have to go back. And then, after you did that, second step — then you could go in and roundup any stragglers. But, I mean, if you don’t – if you require documents to work, I mean besides like, you know, maybe some guys at the Home Depot they’ll pick them up in the parking lot to help them with the dry wall, or the landscaping. But I mean, I would even send out, you know, arrest, fine the people who are picking them up in Home Depot. Just send cops out there in Home Depot. But I mean the ones who — I mean there are all these businesses, these major businesses that hire illegal immigrants. I mean they’re allowed to. I don’t know, I mean it’s illegal, but they’re allowed to do it. They don’t get punished for doing it. So, you know, if you stop that from happening, most of these people are going to actually self-deport.

I mean the Jewish media keeps attacking that term, “self-deport“, but this would absolutely happen. I mean, what are you going to do, if you can’t work and you don’t have a place to live? Unless you’re involved in drug trafficking. But most of these people would be shipped out in the first wave of two to three million.

Henrik: Yeah, exactly. I wonder if Trump starts addressing this and let’s assume that there will be — let’s assume the media’s correct and there will be more terrorist attacks. Obviously the media will blame Trump in that it’s his fault. He’s creating this with his rhetoric, or whatever, and obviously this would turn up the heat on this kind of conflict, which I think is kind of inevitable at some stage anyway. It seems like — but it would be, you know, it might be tougher in the short term, but in the long term this would be something which is much more beneficial — I mean I’ve always held the view that, you know, these multiculturalists and these progressives that are pushing this kind of society that we’re seeing developing now — that is the society that’s going to lead to bloodshed and terror and bombings and just horrible, you know, crimes and slaughters and terrors.

And what we’re advocating is the separation of people, to have their own nations, which is going to, you know, be much more difficult for people to over ethnic and, you know, other levels find ways to fight with each other. I’ve always seen this as the “peace solution“, if you will, and theirs as the “war solution“. What you think?

Andrew: Yeah, I know, absolutely. I mean we see this already. You don’t have – in ethnically homogenous countries you don’t have these levels of violence. I mean you do in black countries and Arab countries because these people like killing each other. But you don’t have that in any White countries that are left, you don’t have people killing each other and blowing each other up. You know, why would they do that? What would be the point of doing it? Any kind of conflict is either over resources — I mean it’s pretty much is always going to be over resources, unless it’s some kind of nonsense thing.

But I mean these ethnic warfare — these are competing genetic groups, competing for control of the society to inflict their will on the group that they’re occupying. So, I mean, that’s when you have these, like Pakistani — they call them grooming gangs in England, where they get these little girls and put them in sex slavery, and are trafficking them around, I mean this is a , …

Henrik: Kebabgate! [laughing]

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Andrew: Yeah, yeah. This is a way of attacking the social order of the foreigners and humiliating the men. Humiliating the men in the society that, “We’re going to take your daughters” and, you know, “pass them around” and just, you know. I mean the stuff that they do to them. You can read at Counter Currents — there’s a few very good articles on there detailing what these Pakistanis were doing to these girls, you know, I don’t even want to say it, …

Henrik: Yeah, sodomites. The worst sadists, worst fucking atrocities ever! Disgusting!

Andrew: And these little girls, you know, 11-12 years old, and they’re doing these gang bangs! It’s just horrible stuff! And this is a way to humiliate the men. And this is what, you know, Cologne, when they do this taharush, this is to humiliate the men. Like, “We are assaulting your women in front of you and you are doing nothing!” And on a biological level men should be able to understand that, like, these are our women. These women belong to us and they are violating our women in front of us. This is the most demeaning, degrading thing that any group can do to another group, just on a very basic primal level. And everybody should be able to recognise that.

But, you know, I mean with feminism and the emasculation of men and this brainwashing program that men have been through, they’re not seeing that. But, you know, whether they recognize this or not, we are in a hostile situation. We are in a race war situation all over the Western world, because we have flooded ourselves with these people that are intent on conquering us.

And I, you know, I mean you always have to go back and blame the Jews. Because, it’s the Jews who created this social cultural paradigm that makes this OK. And in almost everywhere, it’s the Jews who are actually engaged in the process of bringing these people into our countries.

But even if the — you know, the immigration groups and the laws that are being passed are not all run by Jews which – that the laws are passed by Jews — in the United States they all have been. But, you know, these people try to play a game with you, like, “Oh well, there’s this country where there’s no Jews“, but they running the government, but they still have a high level of — I mean, I think Sweden. I don’t know.

Henrik: Well, you’re right about that. It’s the morality that has been pushed in the cultural dialogue. I mean, we had David Schwarz, for example, was one of the prominent Jews in Sweden that in the 70s started to put — I think maybe even 60s, I’m not sure now, I have to look that up again — but he was basically pushing this in the media and despite the fact that a country like Sweden only has like, I think only 20,000 Jews or something.

I mean, there’s a tremendous over-representation of Jews in the media. Bonnier family, of course, they hold, you know, owned the major publications and newspapers and printing and stuff like that, books, you know, publications. But even the small time — like small Podunk local town papers that was bought out by some of the biggest Jewish conglomerates and — you know, so you can read about what’s happened locally like in the little town here and there in the paper. But then, all of a sudden, there’s like every other week, there’s like a Holocaust story, or like when the Jews came to this little town… [laughing] Any of these people care about this? It’s like ridiculous… That’s my point – but they push immigration as like a moral virtue in the media, that’s my point.

Andrew: The whole new — you can call it liberal, I guess — the whole new social paradigm that the Western world, and cultural paradigm that the Western world is soaking in is entirely Jewish. So, you know, this is what they sold to the goyim — this new form of morality where the highest form of morality is actually commit a genocide against yourself — is ultimately what it is. I mean, you see this where it’s very clear in Germany. I mean, I just posted a video of this German, he’s a blond German guy in his 20s or maybe early 30s who’s teaching migrants how to seduce – migrants, Somalians, Afghanis, Pakistanis — how to seduce German women!

Henrik: Yeah, Mister Flirt, what’s his name again? I know whom you’re talking about – Horst Wenzel.

Andrew: Horst Wenzel, yeah! And the government is funding him to do this class. And the government gives out – I think Lana made a  video — where the government gives out these documents showing immigrants how to impregnate White women! I mean, they have these pampflets that have the black penis going into the White vagina and impregnate — semen coming out and showing the baby inside!

Henrik: Oh, god!

Andrew: They’ve printed these documents and handed them out to the immigrants! What is going on here?! This is an actual attempt to genocide the German race!

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Henrik: And what he’s doing — and this is an excellent point that what he’s doing, Horst Wessel here, is basically — he’s trying to basically give them a code of how to get these women in bed. Meaning, you know, you have to adapt a little bit to our culture so that they will basically open up to you and open their legs. Right? So it’s like — it’s a very incredibly sly way of making sure that these women are immediately accepted as that that these guys are, for example, maybe not, you know, coming on strong, or something like that. I don’t know, but they would they’re probably like that anyway. Right? Because most of the Western men are emasculated at this point anyway, so they probably, … I mean some people even argued that, like, reasons why many of these feminists are pushing some of the stuff is because on some level, subconsciously, they want some of this. I don’t know if that’s true, but, you know, I wouldn’t be surprised frankly by some of these feminists anyway.

Andrew: Yeah, no, I absolutely believe that it is true, that they, … You know, … I mean feminism is a demand for men to become men and, you know, put them back in line, because, women have been put in a position where they can’t reproduce as they’re supposed to by the feminist, you know, system. Where they’re supposed to go to college and go get jobs and all this, when it’s just a basic biological fact that they should be producing children. I mean, they should be! I mean, you know, I mean — basically a woman in nature is going to be pregnant, you know, at 16, 17, maybe even earlier. And they have a drive to do that. It’s a biological drive to reproduce.

So, when you tell women, “Well, maybe you can get married when you’re 30, maybe?” I mean this is way after peak fertility and, you know, I think it drives women a little bit insane! And I think there is a subconscious drive to return to some kind of more natural setting. And I think that it’s very clear that they view these Arabs as — and blacks even — as representing something more close to the natural order. And I think that’s why you have all these women, … At least a part of why you have always women out there protesting for this mass, this invasion and saying, you know, “I’m a feminist, but I also want Muslims, …” because that doesn’t make any sense! That doesn’t make any logical sense on the face of it. You’re a feminist, but you also support Islam. That’s like an insane type statement!

Henrik: Yes, exactly. Andrew, I guess it’s also been one of the more controversial things, I guess, you’ve been talking about on the site. I know that some people have charged you that, you know, you don’t like women for this reason and I think, obviously, everyone who has their head screwed on right, can see that feminism is a problem, or whatever. But there’s been some back and forth, whether or not this is, you know, women’s fault, or whatever. We had, for example, that video by Black Pidgeons Speaks that kind of went into this a little bit. That video went all over the place and there was a lot of push-back on that kind of mentality as well.

But, is it anything you like to say about that? Or is there a way that we can still, … Because I see that there is obviously a relationship that we need to start developing with our women, to have — be on equal footing — not equal footing, but we need to be understanding of the fact that we can work together to take care of this problem. Instead of, you know, basically having issues that drives the wedge deeper between us and creates an even more rift, that’s what I mean.

Andrew: I know, I get accused of, quote, “hating women“, which I don’t even know — this is like a, I think, a type of nonsense statement. No, I do not hate women! I am very appreciative for women. I, you know, I like women. I have a girlfriend. I have a very good relationship with my mother. I don’t have any specific issue with women, which, … People suggest that I have some kind of personal problem here, but no!

My view on women is that when we had the correct balance between the genders before feminism. So, you know, I mean, basically men have the same opinion of women. If you go back a hundred years, and then you go back to the beginning of recorded history, and then you go back to the caves before that, you’re going to have pretty much the same view of women! Which is not hatred for women. I mean, to say that there was thousands of years, or millions of years if you go back to, you know, the invention of language, a conspiracy against women is totally nonsensical.

My view on women is that they have a specific role to play in society that is different than the role that men play in society. And I think that they should be, you know, in the home. They should be mothers. And so, when you get into the political realm and you have women involved in politics, I think, it can be, maybe, problematic on some level, because that’s not something that women are naturally interested in. So, I think that, you know, it can be something where people put too much focus on this idea that, “Oh, we’ve got to get women into politics, …” and I’ve said well, you know, I mean this is like a bunch of women saying, “Well, we’ve got to get men interested in shoe shopping!“

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I think it’s probably not something we’re going to have a bunch of women interested in radical, you know, revolutionary politics, you know, that all the journalists, … So, obviously you’re going to have some women — we do have some women. But all the journalists at NPI – we should talk about the NPI later – all the journalists were saying, “Where are the women? Where are the women?” But the fact is, women are not especially interested in this type of thing and I think that’s fine! It’s natural for women not to be especially interested, …

Henrik: And still there was quite a bit of women there, actually! It was like they were blind to me, these journalists, you know? Majority of men obviously, but, you know, they were there. Amazing!

Andrew: So, you know, I don’t have any issue with women. There’s a lot of hyperbole and satire and so on on my website. And I think that people take that and say well this guy supports beating women! [laughing] No, I do not, I do not support beating women! I do not hate women! I think that women are much happier in a — I mean like a lot happier — in a traditional social order where they’re at home, they’re mothers, they’re having kids and taking care of the kids, and not trying to pretend to be men.

Basically what the Jews have said to women is that you’re defective men. You just need to become more like men, repair yourself from your femininity and become a man! and I don’t think this is — I mean this is insulting to women to say femininity is a negative thing, …

Henrik: Yeah!

Andrew: And then, you know, they have to become masculine, they have to become, you know, men! They have to become like men, that everything is pushing them into this role and I don’t think that women are being asked whether or not this is what they want. And I think that what feminism has done is feminize the male space, by bringing all of these women into the male space, we feminize the male space and we feminize boys by making them have to conform to female standards. You’ve got this woman here it’s going to change the behavior of men. And when you have women in all-male spaces it changes the entire ability for men to function as men.

You know, I mean women still have their own spaces that men don’t get involved in. But women have been shoved into all of places where men traditionally were able to have their own space and be dominant in their own environment. So, I think that shoving women into all these things has been, [has] had [an] overwhelmingly negative outcome and I think it’s something that needs to be reconsidered, because this has been shown not to be helpful for society. Just like we were talking about the women — the men have been so feminized that the women, they’re not even attracted to them anymore, because of — and this is what feminism has done — this gender reversal. I don’t think it’s been something good for anybody.

Henrik: I know, exactly. I mean, you’re right. Millions of years of evolutionary paths we’ve developed roles and functions which is, you know, biologically and genetically tied. And for women that means fulfilling the most important roles that there is — which is the continuation of our people, of our folk. It’s the most noble task that there is and it’s really unbelievable that, you know, the propaganda and the psyops has been so strong, so powerful that this very biological function they’ve managed to turn on its head, now they’re walking in the opposite direction. So yeah, absolutely extraordinary!

But Andrew, we’re going to take a break here in just a little bit and, of course, we’re going to continue to talk more after that. We’re going to talk about Trump, what to do now, when he is in office. Where is this recount issue actually going anywhere. We’ll talk about the role of the Alt-Right, you know, post Trump, NPI and much more like that.

But, tell people a bit more about your website. I don’t think there’s many that listens that are new to you, Andrew, but tell us a little bit about it anyway and if there’s a way that people can help you out and support to make sure that you can continue to do the work that you do.

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Andrew: Yeah my website is dailystormer.com, and people can donate, but, … not really! [laughing] Pretty much have to mail me money, because all my stuff has been cut off. Bitcoin, people can send me bitcoin, but I don’t really have any way to fund the site, because I’ve been banned from everything, because of the jews.

Henrik: Ouch! [both laughing] Yeah! Well, that shows we need ours own platforms. Well, actually, let’s talk a bit about censorship too in the next segment, here in terms of what’s happening right now with Twitter and where this is going to go. They’re even thinking about banning Trump, I guess? I mean this is retarded! [Andrew laughing] This is going to crash their own, … this is going to go into the toilet for Jack there.

But yeah, let’s take a short break here, folks, and we’ll return shortly and, of course, if you do want to, you know, support what we do, if you like our show, definitely sign up for membership with us. That’s a great way of supporting us and ensuring that we can continue doing what we do. Most of the second hours that we do of these radio shows are available in the members’ segment. We also, of course, have the other weekend live show that you can watch, exclusive for members. And then, of course, we do a lot of public live streams, as well. So definitely keep an eye on those.

We actually have — let me just mention that here too, right at the end — we have coming up here shortly a couple of live streams. We’ll have more information on redice.tv/live about that. From the Italian EU referendum, and then we’re going to turn to live stream the speech that Richard Spencer is going to do at Texas A&M, as well. That might be interesting. but yeah, let’s take a short break here, folks. Stay with us, Andrew, we’ll be right back with the second segment.

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