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All right, let’s see what we can get going with here we have an interesting lineup today as usual. In the second hour, Fadi Lama comes on with an incredible new book which I finally got a chance to read. It’s called Why the West Can’t Win. And it’s a very good read. It goes into all of the reasons for the rise of the money power bankster dictatorship in the Western world, and the reasons that that dictatorship or that attempt to create a one world order based on the power of usury is, in fact, doomed! He provides strong empirical evidence for that.

 

Doctor Fadi Lama is a PhD in engineering, mechanical engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology, and he is also at, what does he have, other engineering degrees from other institutions! He’ll come on in the second hour.

 

The first hour, Doctor Kevin MacDonald just put out a great new piece called The Extreme Hyper Ethnocentrism of Jews on Display in Israeli Attitude Towards the Gaza War. And that’s what we’re going to talk about in the first hour, if we can find Kevin MacDonald. There we go.

 

Hello, Kevin. I can hear you now.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I don’t know what happened. Turned all the way up. It never had not worked before. I don’t understand it. I don’t get it.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, well, I mean, it’s always conceivable that some of the usual suspects are sabotaging us, but it’s also quite possible that something else is going on. But I don’t know what it would be.

 

So let’s talk about your new article. I was just introducing it on the Extreme Hyper Ethnocentrism of jews on Display in Israeli Attitude Towards the Gaza War. And the striking things about your article, I guess, are the pretty serious warning about the fate of Gaza could be the fate of other countries and of the West. A lot of people, of course, would think that’s exaggerated. I’m not so sure.

 

[03:14]

 

So maybe you can elaborate on that. Why is the genocidal mania that’s overtaken Israel is related to jewish ethnocentrism and how that’s actually a threat to the West as well?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, well, I think every time jews have had, you know, absolute power, as they did in the Soviet Union for 20, 30 years there, and they have exercised it brutally against their enemies. And I’m concerned that we’ll see that again.

 

Now, you see, and you see it, you know, look at the Old Testament. I mean, all the injunctions for all the desires for genocide of these people who are their enemies. And all the jewish religious writing saying basically that gentiles are another species, they’re below us, they’re basically animals and that sort of thing.

 

And then you see that rhetoric regarding the Palestinians, and you will see that regarding Europeans. Because if and when we lose power, we haven’t lost power yet, obviously.

 

But I’m just concerned about the future because clearly the jewish establishment is desiring more and more immigration. So all the Western European countries, United States, Canada, Australia, they will all be minority White countries at some point. White people may not have enough power, political power, to really resist what is going on. And I just fear that jewish ethics is entirely self centered! For the interests of the group, nothing more! And completely the opposite of western ethics, which is universalist. You know, Kant’s categorical imperative.

 

Basically, you do what anybody else could do in that situation, you’d be okay with it.

 

So it’s like that sort of western universalism, which is unique in the world, really. Other cultures tend to be very ethocentric and they privileged their own group. But the West has this long liberal tradition really stemming from the Enlightenment, but in a way going earlier than that. And I trace it back to evolutionary roots in my book on Western Individualism. But that’s the basic idea that the West is tied to universalism. And there’s this sense that we should be universalist. It’s the moral thing to do, that we should basically take care of other people and see their point of view and all that.

 

Jewish ethics isn’t completely foreign! You know, it’s like you don’t care about what they think. The more Orthodox you get, and the Orthodox have taken over Israel. And I like today I get this email from Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL, and he’s been in Israel. He comes back to this message and basically he says:

 

“What happened on October 7 was anti-semitism.”

 

And you always see this by the jewish apologists that there is no context to what happened on October 7. There’s nothing about the blockade that’s been going on since 2003, nothing about all the oppressive policies that Israel’s engaged in over the years.

 

And what Israel’s doing is absolutely destroying Gaza! It’ll never really come back for years and years, if ever.

 

[07:35]

 

Kevin Barrett: Let me just question the idea that the West is so much more universalist and completely non-ethnocentric.

 

I mean, I think there’s some truths you’re talking about.

 

Kevin MacDonald: I don’t say it’s completely non-ethnocentric. Okay. But there certainly can be ethnocentric, but it’s relatively less than other cultures. And again, if you look at Joseph Heinrich’s book as well on Individuals in the West. He talks about how unique Western culture is. He talks about western universalism. And that’s exactly the big point of my book.

 

We are different. And it’s a problem now because western universalism, it’s hard to oppose these movements, these jewish intellectual movements and political movements, because they’re always phrased in universal terms. They’re always phrased in moral terms. And Westerners are suckers for that!

 

I mean, they want to be good people. Westerners don’t rely on kinship. They rely on being a good person in the group, having a good reputation.

 

And right now, Western culture is completely determined by these often jewish elites in the media and the academic world and so on.

 

So what needs to be a good person is to be totally accepting of immigration and your culture is nothing special, and let them come in and don’t worry about anything in the future.

 

But in-group out, group conflict, based on ethnicity has been going on forever, and it’s not going to stop now!

 

So I’m pessimistic about the future because I don’t see any big force in the West trying to turn back this tide. It’s just not going to happen.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, I actually, over time, I’ve become more sympathetic to your viewpoint. You know, when we first started having these discussions on my radio show, I don’t know, ten years ago or something, I was still, you know, kind of holding you at arm’s length and saying, but this and that.

 

Over time, I’ve realized that there’s a lot more truth to what you’re saying and a lot more of a good scholarly basis to your work than maybe I had realized, probably, than a lot of other people realized, too.

 

Let me say, however, I still think that when we talk about Western universalism, the way it manifests itself and often has in going back a ways in the history, is actually not much better, maybe even worse, than the kind of traditional tribalism of a lot of other traditional people.

 

That is, if you look at the way Americans behaved in Vietnam, with Korea, with Vietnam, with Indonesia in 1965, and all of these other “Holocaust”, quote, unquote, “the American Holocaust” that Chomsky and Wolczak wrote about in their book on Western terrorism, where they came up with about 60 million people murdered by US military and CIA interventions since World War Two.

 

The ugly American who goes to these places and murders millions of people to try to impose the American way and American hegemony on these cultures. He thinks he’s universalist, and he uses universalist propaganda in his media back home to get the people to imagine that they’re doing something universalist and non-ethnocentric. But there’s nobody more ethnocentric than an arrogant universalist who thinks that his way is the universal way!

 

And so I kind of question whether this so-called universalism has made Westerners so kind and nice and gentle. You know, when you take those 60 million people that the US murdered since World War Two, then you add another 30 million or so with a post 9/11 era, it seems to me that these kind general universalists are actually a lot more murderous than the tribalists.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, the Western culture has always been very militarized and very expansive and also been very inventive and prone to adventurism.

 

I mean, the Indo-European legacy in Western culture is basically that. And the West has been extremely successful, unlike other cultures when they had been able, … You look at around the world, cultures that have been successful have expanded. They have dominated other peoples and all that.

 

But the West, you know, there’s these two traditions in the West. One is that Indo-European militarized version, and that is still there to some extent. But you also have now, especially since 1965. I mean, before that, it was anti-communism, and they were very concerned, correctly so.

 

I mean, the Soviet Union was a dangerous foe, and they were opposing communism, I get it. But especially since 9/11 we’ve had these wars basically for Israel, and we have a new elite in the country. It’s a very aggressive leap. They want to maintain western hegemony desperately. That’s why we’re fighting in Ukraine, and we’re upping the ante now. They’re allowing Ukraine to target Russia. And so, yeah, that’s a part of our reality.

 

But you think about say, slavery. You know, we, Western conquest in America, then they brought in slaves from Africa and all that.

 

But, yeah, it was also, Western culture is the only culture that ended it for moral reasons. And this northern European culture of radical individualism. And they condemn slavery in the 19th century, especially the British started there, and they ended slavery in 1831. They abolished the slave trade in 1808 or something like that. And, it’s no other culture. I mean, you look around the world, slavery was endemic to just about every culture in the world.

 

So Western culture is now being singled out for things that other cultures have done throughout history.

 

But, yeah, there’s some ethnocentrism there, and it’s just relatively submerged. It’s easily overcome. I mean, you can make, they did this experiment where they had college students come in and they gave them a bunch of questions or pictures, photos, and they said:

 

“Well, your responses were racist, anti-semitic”

 

Or something like that. Boy, when they showed them, when they went through it again, the people responded much more slowly. They don’t want to feel they’re a bad person! And we see that over and over again, especially among women. Women want to fit into the group. They want to be nice people! And now the culture is totally anti-Western, anti-White, anti-European.

 

[15:32]

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, the culture has certainly gone to extremes lately. Speaking of the tribalism and stuff, I have a good anecdote for you. I’m living in Morocco now, and I’ve had some, let’s say, difficulties working with the local zoning authorities and construction guys, putting up a little room on the top of the house to house a library.

 

So it’s been quite frustrating. And I talked to a couple of in-laws, a couple of friends, and they talked. They said:

 

“You know, if you want to get any construction done or any repairs done in Morocco, it’s hopeless! It’s crazy! These people, they’ll eat your lunch, they’ll steal you blind and stuff, and they’ll do a terrible job.”

 

And so I said:

 

“Well, so how did you guys get your excellent houses built?”

 

And they both said:

 

“Well, my cousin!”

 

[chuckling]

 

Kevin MacDonald: Exactly!

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah. Each of them had hired a cousin one of them had, had to fire the first guy he hired who wasn’t a cousin and bring in his cousin who just happened to show up at the right point.

 

And you know, that’s, I think, a kind of a common thing around the world. Doesn’t mean that there’s no use of universal dimension to the culture here or in other places where they still have these kinship ties. But it is different from the United States and also Europe today. And these cultural differences are real and you should be allowed to talk about them.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, that’s the problem with the third world, is in kinship. If you a job or something like that, you’re expected to., … Well, you expect kin to help you out, you know, as long as you’re related. It’s all about kinship. African cultures are like that. Extremely so!

 

It happens in Europe, but much less. That’s the thing about Europe. You have these high trust cultures where your reputation group is not dependent on being a relative. It’s dependent on, are you trustworthy, can I do business with you? That sort of thing.

 

And so you don’t have to rely on your cousin to build your house. And you don’t expect the person to cheat you, that sort of thing. That’s why Western culture has been so successful.

 

But that’s the problem. It hasn’t stopped in other parts of the world. It’s absolutely hardwired in those cultures. The Middle East, but also Africa. You know, China has always been that way, actually tribal and all that, collectivists. But they seem to be able to square the circle. But there’s a lot of corruption, but they clamp down on it, and the central government, to some extent at least, really does not want that. And they get it about trust.

 

[18:34]

 

Kevin Barrett: There are these ideologies, whether universalist or nationalist, that seem to play a role in kind of overcoming the tribalism.

 

And in fact, in Islamic history, the success of the religion of Islam and the legal system and the weights and measures and the injunctions to fair trade with everybody, not just your relatives, that played a big role in the bringing together of tribal peoples into a super tribe, or a huge world straddling kind of empire where people could trust each other. You could travel from one end of the earth to the other and not be robbed.

 

So, and I think with China, the ideologies of communism and now kind of Confucian nationalism play that kind of a role.

 

And then that leaves the question of could the West be saved by some sort of return to the religious roots that actually produced the great works of the West and produced this universalism that seems to have fallen upon hard times now as the West enters its decadent phase.

 

I just attended a conference in Croatia with Doctor E. Michael Jones and a bunch of Catholics. I was one of the two token Muslims there. And those folks are hoping for a revival of Catholicism to revive the West. I’m a bit skeptical, but I do think that these kinds of religions or greater religious like ideologies are really the only thing that can get people to sacrifice for something bigger than themselves and overcome these pitfalls of tribalism and human nature. But I know you’re not an advocate of that, so why not?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Well, I’m not religious myself. I just can’t see any evidence for it, you know, sort of scientific. And my basic paradigm is evolution and evolutionary biology, and I just don’t see room for that.

 

But I can see, I do think that religion is good. I mean you think about the Reconquista in Spain. They were very religious, and they treated the Muslims and threw them out. And European Christianity served Europe well for a very long time. Once you got to the 19th century and science and then, you know, militant Marxism and everything, you know, some of it is jewish, but I think a lot of it isn’t. It’s just the changes in intellectual, the scientific perspective sort of militates against that. And I don’t know!

 

But I do think if you look at America, religious Conservatives are, you know, mainstay in the Republican Party. You know, I don’t agree with all their substantive things.

 

I mean, they seem obsessed with abortion. But they’re good on average.

 

But then you look at the mainstream religions and they’re all into this stuff, and it’s pretty much universal, the Southern Baptist. I mean, the officialdom there. For example, James Edwards is a good guy who’s in Tennessee, political, successful guy. He’s been basically shunned by these people.

 

And I grew up Catholic and Catholic Church, as far as I can see, the pope is a communist. I mean, he’s way on the Left.

 

[22:09]

 

Kevin Barrett: Well, he did just say something about how there’s too much faggotry these day!

 

Kevin MacDonald: Too much what?

 

Kevin Barrett: He used to use the slur, the anti-homosexual slur. He said there was too much faggotry in the Church. [chuckling]

 

Kevin MacDonald: And then he profusely apologized.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: I mean, it is true. But he’s been all in favor of immigration and all that.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, yeah. That’s why this made such a big splash was its the first thing this pope has ever done that wasn’t politically correct and woke!

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, exactly!

 

Kevin Barrett: But, Kevin, don’t you think, though, that the issue here is really that these, you know what’s left of Christianity in the West is mostly just sort of fronting for the real religion of the West, which is secular, progressive, materialist humanisms and that that real religion which has underline all of these kinds of liberal tendencies that you and I both are skeptical about, that actual religion, which involves something overcoming the normal human condition in a kind of pretty extreme submission to something greater than the self and to transcendent values, which is very foreign, of course, to the secular outlook, but also to the kind of these namby pamby liberal religions that we’re talking about today as not being solutions. I agree they’re not. But I think I’ve heard arguments, including from some recent radio show guests, that real religion actually might be the solution.

 

But the only way it’s ever going to come back is when the civilization collapses and people are fighting for survival in red and tooth and claw.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I mean, this, you know, Western culture has been expansive that we’ve said, and it’s also with capitalism, it’s greedy, materialism, and we want things, and as all humans do. Everybody would be rich than poor, I guess.

 

Kevin Barrett: Kevin, if you could hold your phone a little stiller, that would be better because we’re getting a lot of, …

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, it’s what the Western culture is now ugly! You know, I’m rooting for Russia in the Ukraine war because to me, Western culture is completely bankrupt! You know, it’s gone, completely woke.

 

And if Ukraine would win, you’d have more mass immigration, there would be, religion would take a dive ultimately, and Ukraine would just become another vassal of the West, where traditional Ukrainian culture would be condemned, as there already. There’s a long, fraught history with jews and Ukrainians.

 

But anyway, you know, that’s the problem. The West is completely corrupt as far as I can see, and it’s not getting any better. In a sense, it is, as you say, I mean, secular humanism, greed, wanting material things and that sort of thing. That’s what we want.

 

[25:42]

 

 

Kevin Barrett: And how about what’s the role of this jewish ethnocentrism that you just wrote about in this new article in The Decline of the West and even a threat of some kind of global tyranny. We know that the mythology of jewish religion involves, as you wrote in the article, kind of these messianic millenarian expectations that the jews will one day triumph over the goyim or all the non-jewish peoples and basically enslave them and rule the earth.

 

And we do see that jews have become the most powerful ethnic group in the world probably, by taking over the US Empire. And now they’re completely out of control in their own ethno-state over an occupied Palestine and ready to tear down the Islamic world’s oldest and greatest architectural monument, the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and put up a blood sacrifice temple and start sacrificing pink heifers to symbolize this new era in which jews rule the world. And their mythology tells them that every jew will have, I forget how many thousands of goyim slaves.

 

Now, of course, that all sounds pretty exaggerated and it sounds like a pipe dream, but the role that jews are playing in this process does seem outsized and rather dangerous and destructive, does it not?

 

Kevin MacDonald: It is very destructive and dangerous. And we see that Israel is continuing this offensive in the south of Gaza now, despite the fact that all these nations, I mean, it’s hard to, I can’t think of any country that’s gung-ho in favor of what Israel’s doing, but they’re just thumbing their nose at it. They don’t care! Your international criminal court, what was the arrest, Netanyahu and all that, it doesn’t matter. They are in the driver’s seat and they know they have America completely in their hands! And that’s the reality. And they will use America as long as they can.

 

And, yeah, they are in the driver’s seat right now, but we’re not at the end game yet. But, yeah, jewish power is really on display here! I mean, you think of all the European countries, America, the Biden administration even, is condemning what they’re doing. Then they say they’re going to withhold weapons and they don’t really do that.

 

But anyway, it’s amazing what the power that they have.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah. And it’s kind of just over the top sadistic cruelty in their approach to people of Gaza.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Oh, yeah!

 

Kevin Barrett: It’s making ethnocentrism look bad. People like you, Kevin, you’re kind of a White, pro-ethnocentric guy. People like Louis Farrakhan a black, pro-ethnocentric guy. And there are various people who are defending various kinds of ethnocentrism. But what Israel is doing right now is really an embarrassment to ethnocentrism, wouldn’t you say?

 

[28:53]

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I mean, this is extreme ethnocentrism! And it’s what I call hyper-ethnocentrism. And what I would advocate is universal nationalism, that everybody be in their own country and stay there. And that you’d have a sort of ethnic nationalism as a basis of a country.

 

But, you know, that’s a long way off now, given what’s happened in the West. We used to be, you look at movies here, culture from the 1950s, and it’s a White country and proudly. So the same way with the Western European countries. But now it’s just not there. I don’t see how to get it back without a cataclysm.

 

And I think the Left wants a cataclysm because they have purged the military and all that, and they are in charge of legal system, as you can see in the Trump verdict, and we’ll see.

 

But I think we’re headed for a cataclysm or else the West just goes down with a whimper.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, well, my second hour guest today on this radio show is Fadi Lama, who wrote Why the West Can’t Win. And his analysis is that Western central bankers have presided over this expanding Western empire, of course, expanded during the colonial period, and now he thinks they’re going all out for a kind of a global takeover. And he thinks it’s going to fail. And that this nationalist alliance of multipolar nationalist forces led by Iran, Russia and China is likely to prevail over the Western banksters.

 

So if that’s the case, then the world that you want to see, which would be a world of multipolar sovereign nation states where each people is relatively unto itself and free to be itself, and then to deal with other peoples, hopefully in a reasonable manner, unlike what the Israelis are doing right now, that world is coming. But at what cost to the Euro-American countries that are losing the struggle, is the question.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, absolutely! I’m happy to see this other bloc forming. And Western globalism really means Western hegemony and control over the rest of the world via the economics, the banks and all that.

 

So, yeah, that’s why I favor Russia in the war. And I look favorably on Russia’s ties with Iran and China. And if you’re a country like Iran or Russia or China, you have to know what’s going on in the West. You know that you have this Western elite that really wants to control everything. And this globalist phenomenon is backed by a US military, and it’s not going away.

 

And that’s why Ukraine is seen as an existential issue for both sides. Russia and United States and Western Europe, I think. They see that if the West does not prevail in Ukraine, that Russia will really take off.

 

And I noticed in Georgia, the country of Georgia, they had this law, they just enacted the law, I guess, that prevents these foreign NGO’s from, … They have to register and say how much of the money is coming from the West. And they have to disclose all their sources. Well, this is a big source of the Western power. That’s why Putin clamped down on that. The West is where the money is.

 

So all these NGO’s, they go in there and they propagandise for pro-Western stuff and immigration and all this Leftist stuff and color revolution.

 

[33:27]

 

Kevin Barrett: Don’t forget that. What they want to LGBTQ, all that kind of thing.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, exactly! It’s going to happen in Ukraine, if Ukraine wins and Russia loses. This is existential! But that’s the danger here, that both sides here see it as existential. Well, then you’re heading for a World War, nuclear war, a disaster for humanity!

 

I mean, I don’t see how this ends now. Biden just allowing Ukraine to strike targets in Russia with American missiles? I mean, this is really serious!

 

Kevin Barrett: That was supposed to be a red line, wasn’t it?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, that was a red line and not anymore.

 

And so they keep erasing these lines:

 

“Oh, we won’t give them this, won’t give them that!”

 

And they give it to them eventually. And because they do not want to lose this! They realize that sanctions have not worked because of the alliances, really, Iran and China and other countries. India is favorable to them to some extent anyway. And Brazil, other countries like that they just look at where the power is and where it’s going to go.

 

But yeah, they understand that the West is [word unclear] about destroying all their cultures and really all their peoples. And one hodge-podge of humanity. And I just think that would be a disaster!

 

Kevin Barrett: What do you think is the reason that the Western elites are choosing such a seemingly wrong headed strategy from their own point of view? In terms of both, they’re watering down their own cultures and harming their own cultures and their own military capacity through all sorts of policies. The various woke policies and so on.

 

And then rather than a sort of a sensible policy of trying to sort of contain, say, China and then make nice with Russia and Iran while you try to contain China, and then if you ever have to shift a little bit and contain Russia, then you make nice with China a little bit. That kind of sensible strategic policy which characterized the US during the Cold War, to a certain extent, they’ve thrown that away and now they’re trying to go to war against Russia, China and Iran all at once driving them into each other’s arms, even as they tear apart their own societies.

 

It’s almost as if they have some kind of death wish and they want to go down in flames. How do you explain that?

 

[36:08]

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I’m wondering, … But part of it is, I think, jewish hatred towards the West. You know, they think in terms of what happened in the Middle Ages, they think in terms of the destruction of the temple by the Romans. The pogroms in Russia in the 19th century, as they see them, and of course, in the Holocaust.

 

And it’s like Western culture is to them is absolutely the real [word unclear]. And these people, it’s always the extremists that end up dominating what direction the jewish community goes in.

 

And right now, the extreme ethocentrism is on display! And to some extent, most of it went to Israel. But they’re an awful lot in the United States. And jewish power in the United States, you see now, like, for example, pro-Palestinian protests on universities, they’re getting arrested and all that they would never do that for Black Lives Matter in the same way.

 

And so they’re really clamping down. And anyone who supports the Palestinians, they’re going to have a hard time getting a job on Wall Street or in the media and all that.

 

So, yeah, they have the power right now, and they are using it.

 

Kevin Barrett: And that will provoke a reaction. And we’ve seen throughout history that when jewish communities went too far in their sharp practices towards the majority societies, they suddenly faced a big backlash.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah.

 

Kevin Barrett: And I’m wondering if some of these students are going to suddenly go from being Left-wing, woke pro-Palestine multiculturalists to saying:

 

“You know, I think Kevin MacDonald actually might have a point about the jews.”

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah. Yeah, I think that jews have always felt that they can manage, you know, Muslim immigration, Palestinian immigration, all that they had enough power to manage it.

 

And right now they do. I mean, they’re clamping down these protests. But they do see there’s some in Congress now who are pro-Palestinian. And so this policy of letting Muslims come into Europe, say, has backfired for the jews to some extent, a great extent. And you see all these articles about how jews are saying:

 

“Muslims are our allies!”

 

And the [chuckling] question is what are their allies against?

 

And of course, they’re allies against the White majority.

 

But now that’s breaking down. And so many of the immigrants into Europe are Muslim and they really don’t like to choose and they don’t, …

 

[39:03]

 

Kevin Barrett: Quick question. Yeah. I think you’re right that a lot of the Muslim immigrants in Europe are the ones who are supporting the pro-Palestine protests and things like that. But do you think there’s any kind of qualitative difference or meaningful difference between so-called Muslim immigrants in Europe and, let’s say, sub-Saharan Africans from non-Muslim backgrounds, whether Christian, animist or secular, what have you.

 

That is, I found this whole emphasis on the Muslim identity and the Islamic religion to be very deceptive, given that the kinds of problems that immigrants have created in these societies are actually problems that you’re going to see more from the less religious, the more secular elements, whether they’re sub-Saharan African from Christian backgrounds, or whether they’re northern African from Muslim backgrounds. It’s not the religious people that you have to worry about. It’s the non-religious ones.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Well, I don’t know. I think Muslim religion certainly is a big unifying, motivating factor for Muslims.

 

But you talk about sub-Saharan Africa, you know, they’re really talking about a low IQ, criminality prone population that will never really contribute anything to any functioning society.

 

Kevin Barrett: Wait a minute! I played basketball with a bunch of guys from both northern Africa and sub-Saharan Africa when I went to the University of Paris. And there were some very sharp college students from sub-Saharan Africa were playing on that basketball team, actually. So I don’t over generalize to that extent.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Well, there may be some, and there are, but you look at overall the average, and that’s critical, actually! And we see black culture has basically failed in this country despite the fact that there are some intelligent ones. Just look at it and it’s an academic disaster! And I just don’t see it.

 

They’ve tried to improve black academic achievement for decades now, since the sixties, with no success, really. And it’s getting worse. I think there’s actually selection now for that the people having children, … You know, these black women who are going to college and assuming all these high level positions, they’re not having children, very many children at least. Whereas the ghetto moms are having a lot of kids, relatively.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah. Well, hasn’t the breakdown of the black family is the biggest reason for all of this.

 

Kevin MacDonald: It’s a huge factor. Yeah, that was an effect of the 1960s. You look at the charts, because I used to teach child psychology every semester I look at these charts in my textbook, and they would be in the 1950s, very strong family structure.

 

And then all of a sudden in the sixties, everybody went south! But blacks much more than anybody else. They were sort of unleashed, you might say, from the social control. We couldn’t just get on welfare so easily. And those single mothers were not really supported that much. You had to have a man around. But not anymore. It hasn’t been that way for a long time! And it’s not changing.

 

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Kevin Barrett: Religion, again, getting back to that topic, plays a role in this, in that the religious cultures typically put a strong emphasis on these kinds of family values and taboos on sexuality outside of reproductive marriage.

 

And so when that breaks down, then you get a breakdown of the culture and you have a lot of unwed mothers, etcetera. Once again, my argument is that religion is an indispensable part of civilized humanity, that giving it up for transcendent value is really necessary overall. There might be a few people who can do okay without that. But for the culture as a whole, it needs that. It needs to be infused with a traditional way of doing that.

 

Kevin MacDonald: You’re probably right. I think that’s a reasonable thing to say. I think most people seem to need religion for social support and moral compass and sort of meaning to their lives and all that. I agree.

 

Kevin Barrett: Wow! Just like I won an argument with Doctor E. Michael Jones last week. Actually, won an argument with Kevin MacDonald! Again, not too many people can say that. [chuckling]

 

All right, we only have a couple, couple of minutes left here. Well, you know, Kevin, we’re with two minutes left.

 

What can be done to stop this butchery in Gaza?

 

Kevin MacDonald: I just don’t know. Because the Israelis have free reign and they don’t care what anybody else thinks. And the Right militants, settlers, aggressive ones, they’re in charge. And they don’t care what anybody else thinks.

 

And I think they do think that over time it’ll blow over. They’ll do something for the Palestinians, or they’ll let them emigrate or something. The West will give in. Jordan, these other countries will give in, and they’ll let them come in. And they’ll just get rid of them!

 

And then Israeli settlers will set their sights on Jordan, and then they’ll set their sight., … You know, I believe they’re an expansive culture. And Gaza is just part of it. They want that land, and I think there will be jewish settlements back in the Gaza. You know, there were until 2000, was it three or something? When the Israeli army withdrew and all that, to great controversy, at which point they became an open air prison.

 

But yeah, it’s a very expansive, aggressive group, always has been. And we’ll see where it ends. And I think that maybe the rest of the world may start stand up to them at some point.

 

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, well, I think it’s definitely at or even past the point that that needs to start happening.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I’d say so!

 

Kevin Barrett: If they really think that we’re going to just roll over and forget all this. Come on, guys. You know, the Nakba* of 1947, 1948 has not been forgotten!

 

[* The Nakba (Arabic: النَّكْبَة an-Nakba, lit. ’the catastrophe’) is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations. The term is used to describe the events of the 1948 Palestine war as well as the ongoing persecution and displacement of Palestinians by Israel. As a whole, it covers the fracturing of Palestinian society and the long-running rejection of the right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants. Source: Wikipedia]

 

And today’s people are telling stories about what happened to their grandparents and great grandparents and they’re keeping that memory alive. And so what’s happening in Gaza now, that memory is going to be kept alive forever and it’s going to come back to bite the perpetrators.

 

Well, thank you so much, Kevin MacDonald. It’s always great to talk with you. A true original thinker and a fearless thinker! Keep up the good work.

 

Take care.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Thank you. Bye.

 

Kevin Barrett: That’s Kevin MacDonald, a fellow academic heretic from the University of Wisconsin. That’s where he went as well as where I got chased out of for talking about 9/11 in the way that certain folks didn’t like.

 

All right, we’ll be back in the next hour, God willing, with Fati Lama talking about why the West can’t win!

 

[46:51]

 

 

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(Comments as of 6/12/2024 = 13)

June 2, 2024 at 4:47 am 
What Kevin Barrett is always up to with his “religion”, which he would prefer to impose on all of humanity as a duty, as if humanity could not decide for itself to remain free of this kind of superstitious restriction. The reclericalization of public space.
In any case, it is more than a mystery to me how someone with his level of education and cultural background can submit to the Abrahamic Stone Age cult “Islam” of all things. It’s downright absurd to the point of grotesque. I don’t dislike the man, but to believe that the whole world needs a “religion” like his is downright presumptuous. Should perhaps over a billion Chinese also become Muslims?
And what does it mean that he had the experience of “getting to know talented black basketball players” during his school days in response to Kevin MacDonald’s statement that it is a risk to allow masses of black Africans into Europe? Doesn’t the man even read Amren or Vdare, for example? Surely he’s not seriously trying to sell us that?
https://archive.org/details/thilo-sarrazin-hostile-takeover-how-islam-hampers-progress-and-corrodes-western-/mode/2up
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4 Birhan Dargey 
June 3, 2024 at 5:50 am 
Precisely, why is the West seem to have a deathwiish? well WHO is running the USA/Western powers Foreign Policies and Domestic political/social/EDUCATIONAL/ policies? JEWS..the NONJewish WASP anglo/franco/germanic elites as going along as their PROFITS$$ and interest are favored. Without the nonjews understading that the ultimate Jewish objective is NOT to build multidiverse inclusive tolerant EQUAL (citizenship) societies..JEWS want to use MULTIracial/Diverse societies that WIPE OUT WHITE ANGLO MAJORITY SOCIETIES/COUNTRIES/NATIONS..to buil World JEWISH global Dominance..PD: IF Gaza Falss and Jews insist on expanding into Greater Israel.tehn the West is finished because Greater Israel means one world great ISRAEL…they can NOT achieve that without White/Nonjews/ GENOCIDE 1000XS times more criinal than Gaza…Events in Palestine is juts a preview of Jewish wars/genocide to come…anti white, anti Christian, anti GOYIM.
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6 Lynn Ertell 
June 3, 2024 at 5:03 pm 
Follow up studies of the “Kalergi Plan” and the 1970s novel “Campm of the Saints”.
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8 Jaime Jonas 
June 3, 2024 at 7:24 pm 
Barret is wrong on his critism of Western Unievrsalist evil colonial past. Western Anglo colonialists entroduced the concepts of CITIZENSHIP, equality unbder the laws, FREDDOMS under Constitutional Liberal DEMOCRACIES. BUT JEWS and ONLY jews claim tha their JEWISH Talmud/Torah/Noahide LAWS are superior to all DEMOCRATIC regimes,,,and that NONjews must accept even forcefully JEWISH Global Tyrannical THEOCRACY…which put JEWS at teh vey top of the POLITICAL/social/Cultural order…
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CelticRomanSoldier
1 week ago
I am quite pleased that Ireland, Norway and Spain have recognized Palestine as a State, a gradual procession to an international consensus to isolate and condemn the Jewish State. I can only hope that an International Military force will invade and occupy Israel, arrest and try the criminal murder gang that runs that rogue State and siezes their illegal nuclear arsenal.




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Grellen
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It is sad to see that Professor MacDonald has not aged well.




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StLonginus
1 week ago
MacDonald cannot bring himself to talk about Christianity; Catholicism, which WAS “Western” culture for over one thousand years. And then the Church collapsed after infiltration.




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Sasapienza
1 week ago
Thanks for your honest, real Abrahamic religious opinion. Refreshing in this sterile, west, cuckoo cage.




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ResistEvolve
1 week ago
Some Zionist icon I think it was David Ben-Gurion said (paraphrased), “the old will die and the young will forget.” I’m not so sure about that!




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daftdude
1 week ago
Israel sells US secret military tech to China. This makes supporting Israel an act of treason.
All zionists are traitors, and should get punished for their treason with capital punishment in order to dissuade further corruption and treason for the benefit of Israel at the expense of the safety of Americans and Europeans.

The selling of secret US Military tech to China by Israel is going on for decades now, and NOBODY does anything about it.

“Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China”
https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china
https://archive.vn/ZzbpI

Documentary about how Israel has been selling US secret military tech to China and still is:

The Parasite, How Israel sells US tech to America’s enemies

“How Israel betrays US”

“Israel and China a ‘Marriage Made in Heaven,’ Says Netanyahu”
https://thediplomat.com/2017/03/israel-and-china-a-marriage-made-in-heaven-says-netanyahu/
https://archive.vn/CFx1Z

“Former CIA Phil Giraldi: “Israel Steals US Technology””

Former CIA Phil Giraldi: “Israel Steals US Technology”

https://archive.vn/hPBmk

The NSA sends all its raw data to Israel, including information pertaining to Americans worldwide including those living in America:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents
https://archive.vn/Qn0P5

Jewish Orthodox woman is the head of the NSA cyber security section:
https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Orthodox-woman-from-Baltimore-to-head-NSAs-new-cybersecurity-section-596757
https://archive.vn/c1xkC

Watch the video included in this gab post:
https://gab.com/KennyLiquorbush/posts/108690546456863184
“Zionism is NOT about a “homeland for Jews” – it’s about establishing a One World Government, where the Jews tyrannically rule the goyim.”




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CelticRomanSoldier
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Mid West left wing extremist turned professor and muslim.




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Grellen
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I don’t believe that you are an so – called “Celtic Roman Soldier.” (sic). I think that you are an filthy jew. The Irish Parliament (otherwise the “Oireachtas”), has voted to recognize the State of Palestine. Most of the countries which currently exist on the surface of this planet recognize the State of Palestine. With the usual exceptions.




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CelticRomanSoldier
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Your allegation is way off the mark. I must remind you that Eamon de Valera first President of the Irish Republic was a Jew. (Spanish Diaspora)
As for me, I was educated by Franciscans, baptised and Confirmed Catholic.




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Mark Collett: Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Patriotic Alternative Book Club. Yes, it is that time of the month. It is book review time. And boy, what a book we have for you tonight.

 

Now, this is the last book review of the year. And I thought, what a way to round out a fantastic year, but with possibly the best, arguably the best book written on jewish power. This book, you all know it. We’re doing The Culture of Critique. Everyone knows it, everyone loves it. But this is actually the 21st episode of Book Club. I can’t believe we’ve been going that long reviewing books.

And the fact we haven’t reviewed this book yet is a bit of a shame, really, isn’t it? Because I think this is one that everyone’s going to want to hear the review of, and luckily, tonight we’ve got two hours. We’ve got an hour of discussing the book, an hour of question answers if people want to Superchat. And we are lucky enough to have Kevin MacDonald with us tonight. And we’ll be introducing him shortly.

 

Now, first I’m going to say we are live in all the usual places. We’re live on Odysee, we’re live on DLive, and we’re live on Radio Albion. If you can, please share the stream, that would be really, really appreciated. If you’re one of our Odysee viewers, that is our preferred platform. If you can give us a like on the platform, that really helps us. The more likes we get, the more people get exposed to these streams.

 

And I think this is a really important stream to be shown to normal people or people getting involved in nationalism. Because this book, as I said, is one of those foundational books for anyone in our cause.

 

And also, if you want to contribute to the stream, you can do so through Entropy. The Entropy link will be placed in the chat throughout the night. Or if you wish, you can just hit that support button on Odysee. Now, any Superchats will be read out live on the show in the second hour. Any questions to Dr. Kevin MacDonald will be put straight to him. And you can have your say on this book or ask any questions that you wish to ask.

 

2 – Introducing Dr Kevin MacDonald, and How He Came to Write the Book

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Now, we’re going to get into it, and I think there’s no better place to start than with Dr. Kevin MacDonald himself. Now, Dr. Kevin MacDonald’s is an incredible man. I’m privileged enough to have met him in person. He’s a fantastic speaker. He’s a really nice guy. His writings are absolutely superb! And this book, to say it’s world famous, is kind of downplaying it. This book is the quintessential book on this topic.

 

So I’m going to start by introducing Kevin.

 

How are you doing tonight, Kevin? And can you please tell us how you came about writing this book?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I’m doing great.

 

By the way, you’re a great speaker. I did hear you talk a couple of times.

 

[03:15]

 

Anyway, I’m an evolutionary psychologist type guy, and I was interested in-groups as a phenomenon, which was very unusual at the time. This was in the late eighties, and at that time everything was about the individual. You shouldn’t talk about groups. Groups are just concatenations of individuals and they don’t have any special importance or anything!

 

And so there was really no research like that. But I already read the book in 1988 and had a chapter on ancient Spartans where you’re a very cohesive group of the ancient Greeks and they were incredible military power at the time. Probably saved the West from the Persians, at one point. And I decided that really this is something I should pursue.

 

And so I thought, what group should I write about? What group is better documented than jews? If you go to the jewish section of the library, it’s just like vast!

 

3 – First Wrote: People That Shall Dwell Alone – Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy

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And so I got into it and I wrote a book called People that Shall Dwell Alone – Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, saying that they were strategizing elements of Judaism clearly spelled out in the Old Testament.

 

For example, the jews are supposed to say, apart from other peoples, that they are not supposed to intermarry with them, and they should really treat them really as enemies and something to be afraid of, but also to try to conquer really like many other groups. Only of course with jews it wasn’t a military conquering, it was a matter of other types of conquering.

 

Anyway, so I talk about resource competition, I talk about how jewish societies operated over historical times and so on.

 

But I accumulated a lot of other material on anti-semitism. So I wrote a book on anti-semitism, the history of it, going over the centuries of it, and basically arguing that anti-semitism was rational, that it was a rational response to things that were happening in the society.

 

And I actually submitted that manuscript in 1994, but they took a very long time to review it because I had one chapter in there about the 20th century, which eventually became Culture of Critique. And they were heming and hawing about publishing it. And I was getting all these really bad reviews, but they were like crazy reviews by fanatic jews who just hated it! And didn’t really have any substantial points, and so they kept it going. And then finally I got a good review and they published it.

 

4 – Accumulated a Massive Amount of Material on Jews

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But by then I already had massive amount of material. It would have been a book of over a thousand pages. So we split it into two books, and that became Cultural of Critique. And the Culture of Critique is essentially about what’s happened in the 20th century. I don’t really deal with prior that, but I talk about jewish intellectual and political movements. I talk about jews in the Left, for example, because over the whole 20th century jews have been the backbone of the Left and they still are in terms of funding and everything else. Not in terms of numbers, necessarily, but in terms of funding and propaganda and having high positions in the media, in the academic world, and that sort of thing. But especially funding.

 

[07:18]

 

And talk about Boazian anthropology from Franz Boaz. The idea of the races don’t really exist. They’re not important, and that all humans and all cultures are basically equal. And that any human all have equal abilities to start with. There are no genetic differences in, say, intelligence or something like that.

 

So I talk about that. I talk about psychoanalysis as a jewish movement. At the beginning of psychoanalysis it was all jews. I mean, it was incredibly jewish!

 

5 – Jews Recruiting Non-Jews in Order to Be Viable, Yet Remain in Charge

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And then they started admitting non-jews, but they were all kind of window dressing. [chuckling] And you see the same thing in these Leftist movements that jews dominated. Jews dominated these movements, but oftentimes they wanted to appeal to non-jews, obviously.

 

And so they would recruit non-jews. Any minority group like jews, where they’re like 2% or 1% of the population, they have to recruit non-jews in order to be viable. They can’t just be entirely jewish.

 

And so you see reaching out to try to get non-jews to join and that was a phenomenon on the Left throughout the 20th century. It still is in a lot of ways. But also psychoanalysis, where you had they brought in non-jews.

 

But again, they weren’t in charge, really. And it remained a jewish movement. And really status within the movement was determined by how closely connected you were to Sigmund Freud.

 

And so it really wasn’t a science. They had no experiments, they had no data. It was just all really subversion of the West in terms of sexual behaviour, marriage, and so on.

 

6 – Jewish Movements Being Subversive, for Example Undermining the Family

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So it was a very subversive movement in the end. It really undermined the family. And in turn, you have now, ever since the rise, really, of jewish power around 1960, where jews really rose to power, you have the decline of the family. You have increases in divorce, increases in birth, out of wedlock. You have all this dysfunction.

 

And so that’s really the end product of all the sexual revolution. But it didn’t affect jews as much because jews have a higher IQ. They tend to be middle class and above. And these influences have really hit the sort of lower social classes much worse.

 

And that’s why it really destroyed the black family completely, much more than the White family.

 

So you have like 70, 80% of births out of wedlock in the black community. And that was not the case in 1960. It was always higher than the White rate. But it just went way up after 1960 when you had the sort of liberal Left domination and welfare and everything.

 

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7 – The Frankfurt School to Counter Whites Ethnocentrism

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So the fifth chapter is on the Frankfurt School, which started out as a bunch of Marxists and hardcore doctrinaire Marxists. They started out in Germany in the 1920s and they had their Institute. It was funded by a wealthy jewish millionaire. All the principal people were jews. Especially Eric Horkheimer, Theodore Adorno. The psychoanalyst Adler was a big part of it. And later on, people like Marcuse.

 

And again, they started out as standard Orthodox Marxists.

 

But what they really noticed was that in Germany you had the working class, which was supposed to be Marxist and advocate for this radical socialist revolution.

 

Instead, they ended up going for the National Socialists and Hitler. And that was like, shocking to them. And they had to sort of revise their theory. And what they came up with was really the problem was White ethnocentrism. And that’s where you really get the push now.

 

I think in a way, the Frankfurt School is the most important to be well, that in Boas, and this war against race and genetics is very important still. But the Frankfurt School developed this ideology that Whites ethnocentrism, that any sense of White cohesiveness is bad. And that, again, very strongly identified as jews. And they saw this really as something that would end anti-semitism. And they targeted the family as psychoanalysis had.

 

And in fact, quite a lot of their work actually rely on psychoanalysis. Because psychoanalysis, you can bend psychoanalysis to anything you want! Because it’s completely divorced from any actual data.

 

8 – A Healthy White Family was Seen as Bad

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And so the Frankfurt School is able to use psychological concepts of repression. So they would look at a healthy White family and say:

 

“Well, these people are ethnocentric, you know, that they are instilling traditional family values and patriotism and hard work and upward mobility in their children. And that’s completely pathological!”

 

And so that kind of family was seen as bad.

 

Whereas families that were these sort of what they called “non-Authoritarian families” were families that were, … Actually what I showed in that chapter is that these families are very dysfunctional, that the children hated their parents. And that was something that was seen as good from the Frankfurt School. They loved it back when they could see non-jewish, these White families going against their parents, being rebels against their parents.

 

So your parents that are sort of traditional, they’re religious, they’re patriotic and all that. The Frankfurt School is basically saying there’s something very wrong with these people, that they are messed up. And what we need is to get away from this traditional child rearing where you have parents who are instilling patriotism and religion and discipline in their children and that sort of thing. So that was extremely subversive!

 

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9 – The Rise of Jewish Media Elite in America in the 1960s

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And again, the big thing was the White ethnocentrism and that was very influential. There was another movement that Andrew Joyce wrote about that I wasn’t even aware, but they were also very connected to the Frankfurt School. And their whole point, their whole focus was to get influence in the media.

 

And so after World War II, you saw the rise of this jewish media elite in America.

 

Anyway, all the major broadcasting networks ABC, NBC and CBS were all owned by jews.

 

And so these people started out in academia and they gradually spread out. They infiltrated other things like the broadcasting system. They would be hired bycs there was a guy named Samuel Flower and he was very central to this. And that was a very important movement because they were propagandists. This is where you really saw a lot of Leftist, anti-White kind of shows on television. And especially that took off after 1960 when all the curbs on jews that had happened earlier were disappearing. Prior to that, jews dominated Hollywood. They owned all the studios and everything. But there were controls on what the studios put out.

 

There were these Legion of Decency and the various rating organisations that would rate these Hollywood movies and actually prevent them from having anything anti-family, anti-Christian, in them. But after 1960 that disappeared with a general rise of this new jewish elite in America.

 

And so you start to see a lot of films like that and then television shows. And so television and movies became much more propaganda against Whites, against the family really, sexual mores.

 

10 – The Huge Jewish Role in Making Pornography Legal

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There’s another big shift which happens really throughout the Western world. And again huge jewish role in making pornography legal, making homosexuality, gay marriage, all those things that have happened in recent decades can be traced to that.

 

I don’t cover that particular issue.

 

But we’ve had some stuff on Occidental Observer. And I’m actually putting together the winter issue of Occidental Quarterly where we talk about, … Where Jason Cannon, Australian writer, talks about the rise of pornography in Australia and also in the United States, especially with the book Portnoy’s Complaint. Which was by Philip Roth. Very jewish book, but extremely obscene. He prides himself, he talks about why he enjoys having sex with these “shiksas”, these non-jewish girls. And he says:

 

“Mainly I’m screwing their backgrounds. I’m having sex with their backgrounds and degrading their backgrounds!”

 

As this WASPy White, Anglo Saxon Protestant group that they detest, and want to dominate.

 

And so that became a huge issue not only in this country, in America, but also in Australia and elsewhere because it was just so over the top obscene.

 

So those are the trends that have happened.

 

11 – New York Intellectuals, Very Jewish, Shunning Non-Jews

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In chapter six I talk about the New York intellectuals. New York again, very jewish. All the major players were jews. Again there were some sort of non-jews that were brought in. Like White McDonald’s was one of them. Well known sort of Leftist writer, not jewish. But he was part of this jewish coterie.

 

[18:31]

 

I mean, one of the lines in that chapter is when these guys would go to parties, they would socialise with each other and they would exclude everybody else. And that was true of all these movements, that they would exclude people, they would just boycott them shun them! Prevent them from having any influence. That was true in psychoanalysis and true with Boas and his movement. It’s true of certainly true the Frankfurt School, but also these intellectuals in New York were famous for that. But they also gradually became conservative.

 

As I said, the jews have dominated the Left.

 

But this was at the time, in the early 1950s, when jews started to lose power in the Soviet Union.

 

And so there started to be reports that jews were being pushed out of their very prominent positions in Soviet society. And the non-jewish Russians were taking much more power. And so by the 1960s, this became a big cause among jews generally.

 

And so these people became the progenitors of Neo-conservatism, where they championed jewish causes, particularly Israel. And at the same time, they’re more conservative because, for example, they’ve always wanted a strong military, because they see a strong military is in jewish interest because you can help Israel. And especially after the Soviet Union, America became essentially a sort of world hegemon where they had all the power. And that’s still sort of the case. I think that’s what’s being fought out in Ukraine right now. Is the United States going to stay the sole superpower of the world, or are there going to be a sort of multipolar world with China and Russia having a say? That’s sort of what the book is about.

 

And since then, the first paperback edition of the book came out, I think, in 2002. The first book, the original book came out in 1998. Prager published it in 1998. But they sort of disowned it because there was a lot of controversy. But they sold me the paperback, rights. So I bought that, and I wrote a preface to that, a long preface. And I did emphasise much more of the role of jews in the media, in Hollywood. I talk about the culture of the Holocaust. I don’t say whether the Holocaust happened or not. All I’m talking about is the influence of the Holocaust, on American culture and the culture of the West. And I talked about the jewish role in communism based on some more recent things that had happened between 1998 and, 20002. And I’ve expanded on that.

 

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12 – Revising CoC on the Role of Jews on the Left, the Soviet Union, Immigration

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Actually, I’m revising Culture of Critique now to add to it a bunch of new data on the role of jews in the Left, the role of jews in the Soviet Union, the role of jews in immigration.

 

I forgot to talk about chapter seven in Culture of Critique, which in some ways is the most important chapter because that’s the chapter on jewish activism on immigration. Jews from the beginning, from early in the 20th century, were championing the immigration of all groups. Not just jews, but anybody in the world should be able to come to America. But especially at that time, it was important for jews because jews they wanted to leave Europe, especially Eastern Europe, because economic conditions were not good in Eastern Europe.

 

Jews were hated in Eastern Europe. There was the restrictions on jews in Eastern Europe because jews had come to dominate a lot of the economies there.

 

And so the jews had it sort of bad there and they wanted to get out. Well, what better place to go to America? Also the UK and elsewhere in Western Europe. But I write mainly about the United States. I also have a little section on the UK which has been expanded on other things that have been written in our Occidental Observer, by Andrew Joyce and other people.

 

13 – Jewish Activism to Change the Laws on Immigration to Let Anyone In

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But in that chapter I talk about the long history of jewish activism in this regard. And in 1924 the United States enacted a law that restricted immigration to people really who it was biased towards people from northwestern Europe because they argued that’s where the country was founded, that’s where most of the people could trace their ancestry.

 

And so what they wanted to do was make a bias towards northwestern Europe. And they argued in terms of ethnic fairness. That the quotas should be based on the percentage of people in the country as of 1890. That was fair to all ethnic groups.

 

Of course jews didn’t like that, so they just fought mightily against it! But they lost that fight. In 1924 that law was enacted. Calvin Coolidge signed it. It was a huge majority in both houses of Congress. So it became law. But jews continued their activism.

 

14 – The Removal of All National Origin Quotas by Jews in 1965

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I have sections on what was going on between 1924 and the end of World War II, and then after that, between then and 65. Because in 1965 that law was finally overturned, and they got rid of all those national origin quotas and made it so that anybody could come in from anywhere in the world. And they claimed that it would not change the ethnic balance of the country. And that was the mantra that the advocates for this law were saying:

 

“It won’t change the ethnic balance.”

 

But it wouldn’t have changed the ethnic balance because the numbers at first were very low.

 

But what they did after that then was gradually increase the numbers.

 

And now America is admitting about a million immigrants per year legally, and since Biden got in, about two or three million illegal immigrants, legally. So we are imitated with immigrants!

 

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And of course, if you look at the children in America the majority are non-White. So it’s simply false that the ethnic balance wouldn’t change as a result of this law, because it did. And they knew that! Because I’ve seen writings from jews prior to 65 saying exactly that, that the ethnic balance of America is not something that they approve of they do not want the ethnic balance that was created by the 1924 immigration law and they eventually succeeded in that.

 

15 – Jews Fund All These NGOs Dedicated to Immigration

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And so jewish organisations are still big advocates of immigration. They fund all these non-governmental organisations [NGOs] dedicated to immigration. I’m assuming like George Soros now is funding an awful lot of pro-immigration things. And there are a lot of other jewish foundations now because jews are very wealthy, they’ve established all these foundations. And so they donate money to these Left-wing causes of various kinds, including immigration.

 

So that pretty much summarizes the book, I would say. Again, I’m revising it now to include some other things.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much for that comprehensive introduction.

 

Now, I think this book is really important, and I’ll tell you why. I met a woman a good few years ago, probably half a decade or more ago. And she was very, very interested in nationalist ideas. And we went through nationalism bit by bit. And eventually you get to the jewish question.

 

And I think this book is the perfect answer to why. Because a lot of people get to the jewish question and they say:

 

“Yes, I can see the facts as to these people are doing this, but why do they do this?”

 

16 – The Book Answers the Question as to Why Jews Are Pushing Immigration

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And I think that’s why this book is so important and the way you put the evolutionary biology of jews as a group and what caused them to have their in-group preference, but what also caused them to then try to break everyone else’s down, that answers the question in such a wonderful way.

 

But we’ve got two other reviewers here with us tonight, so let’s ask them their opinions on the books and they can then ask you questions.

 

We’ll start with you, Natty. How are you doing? I hope you’ve had a good weekend, my friend.

 

Obviously, we missed last month’s Book Review because of bits and pieces to do with the conference. But we are back. We are back this month. How are you doing, my friend? And what did you think of the book?

 

Natty: Hi, everyone. Hi, Mark. I’m very good, thank you. It’s a real pleasure to be here with Dr. Kevin MacDonald. I think it’s fair to say this is probably one of the most influential books the last, 20 years on the dissident Right on intellectual counter-semitism, you might call it, and the ideas that now percolate and are becoming more widespread. The book itself, just to have it in your collection, probably goes some way to explain where your political views might stand.

 

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And I think you may be doing a disservice to some of the other books we’ve read, Mark. That along with this book and the information you can gather from this book, we’ve reviewed a couple of other books that build up this very, very cohesive, very rational and very intellectual picture of the type of thing that Western civilisation is currently up against. You laid out a very cohesive structure of the book there, Kevin. Can I call you Kevin? Is that okay? Or do you prefer another name?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Certainly. I had my microphone off. Sorry.

 

Natty: So I don’t know. One of the last things you spoke about was the impact that the collectivised jewish society has had on the American immigration system. It’s kind of less big deal, I guess, for those of us in the UK. Obviously we’re coming at this from a United Kingdom perspective.

 

However, as I read it, it’s clear that so many of the outcomes and so many of the things we see today that happening and the results of mass immigration and all the rest of it just are perfectly mirrored by the American system. And in some ways we have it worse and in some ways we have it better.

 

17 – What Else Influenced You to Write the Book?

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But there’s a quote. Before I get to the quote, this book is incredibly well sourced and well indexed. The bibliography is absolutely huge! You’ve obviously put a lot of work into this. Can I just ask, you said your initial kind of push to start looking into this subject was this idea of group selection and the creation of the Spartan warriors. Were you aware of any writings before this? For instance, Ford’s [Henry Ford] books or Solzhenitsyn or anything like that? Did that come across your desk?

 

Kevin MacDonald: I’d heard of Solzhenitsyn, I’m sure. I hadn’t read him or anything. I’ve since become more familiar. Have read quite a bit of his book, Two Hundred Years Together. Solzhenitsyn is an important person to get into if you want to understand the Soviet Union. And he doesn’t have a theory, as it were, but he certainly talks about, … I think he bends over backwards not to be seen as too intensely anti-jewish or something. But I think that’s the message that one would get. But there are other writings.

 

18 – Came to the Conclusion That These People Are Not on Our Side

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When I started out this whole project, I really didn’t know much about jews! And I was having to read an awful lot. So I spent a lot of time in the library and reading and gradually came to the conclusion that these people are not on our side, that they really don’t like us! And they fear us on the one hand.

 

But if you just focus on fear, what they do is to try to subvert, or dominate, or whatever you want to say, that culture to protect themselves.

 

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In my chapter on immigration, I talk a lot about that, that after World War II, they were obsessed with fear of an anti-Jewish movement as happened in Germany in the 1930s. And they wanted to prevent that they didn’t just see it as Germans, they saw it as White people! And this has to be squashed! And they have to prevent it. They use their position in media and in the academic world because jews became very influential in the academic world, not just with Boas and anthropology, but throughout the whole social sciences and humanities. And they came to really staff these elite universities.

 

And the academic world is very top down. If you control Harvard and other Ivy League and the big campuses, well, if you’re very influential there, well, you’re going to be influential throughout the academic world, because that’s how it works. Somebody at a lower ranking college is not going to have the influence that someone at Harvard really does, or Yale does.

 

Natty: Yeah, I see. One of the things that’s happened really recently, which I’m not sure if you’re aware of when you wrote the preface, because obviously I think the preface was written recently or relatively recently. Is that right?

 

Kevin MacDonald: What is that?

 

Natty: The preface, or the introduction?

 

Kevin MacDonald: The preface was written in 2002.

 

19 – Ken Burns Blaming America for the Holocaust

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Natty: Right. Okay. The intro page talks about how, … I wasn’t aware of this before the last couple of years, and I’ve only really been aware of this question of this issue in the last eight or nine years. But it seems to me that there’s a shift now, and I don’t know if you’ve heard of him. There’s a gentleman called Ken Burns who’s made a documentary recently that seems to blame America or seems to be shifting in the direction of blaming America for the Holocaust. Have you heard about this?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yes.

 

Natty: Does this fit into the theory of the book?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Well, Burns is not jewish, but he has plenty of jewish support for it and some collaboration.

 

But, yeah, it blames America for the Holocaust in the sense that America, … And I watched part of a couple of episodes, and it’s extremely propagandistic! I mean, it really is.

 

For example, I talked about the 1924 immigration law. From the standpoint of Burns in that documentary, that film. That was just a horrible thing to do! Because they kept jews out. What’s really missing there is any understanding of American interests! They have no concern about America. During the 1930s, America was in a Great Depression. We didn’t really come out of the Great Depression until the middle of World War II. And they had all the ramping up of the industry and all the government spending on defense in the military. So we were in a depression. We didn’t want to admit anybody!

 

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20 – A Lot of Anti-Jewish Sentiment in America as Jews Were Seen as Radicals

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And by the way, there was a lot of anti-Jewish sentiment in America at that time, because jews were seen correctly, in my opinion, as radicals. So many of the jews that came over in the first part of the 20th century were Orthodox jews. They came from these shetls in Poland, they were Orthodox, and a lot of them were also radicals, political radicals. And so jews very quickly became part of the far-Left in America. And they were sympathetic to the rise to the Bolshevik Revolution, for example.

 

And so these jewish organisations that were part of the mainstream jewish community, that were communist affiliated. And that kind of thing.

 

So there was this lingering sentiment against jews because of their role in the Left. And that is never mentioned. It’s just that America kept them out, as if the only reason possibly it could be that it was anti-Jewish. Again, it was partly anti-Jewish, I think, to some extent, maybe. But it was also economic. We were undergoing a depression. And if you’re going to admit jews, why not admit anybody else who is suffering economically, like in Western Europe or places like that?

 

Anyway, the point is, this is very much a propaganda thing. I didn’t watch the whole thing, but it’s really all about blaming Americans for the Holocaust, that we didn’t do enough, and that our immigration law was a disaster for jews.

 

Natty: Right.

 

21 – 1924 Immigration Law and the “Holocaust”

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Kevin MacDonald: And that’s still the case. Any jew that’s had any jewish education, they know about the 1924 law, and they have a big hostility towards the White majority for enacting it.

 

And I think that’s a lot of the you know, we talked about the fear that they have of an uprising against jews, but there’s also loathing hatred against the American White majority because of what they have done in the past. Front and centre now is things like slavery. But from the jewish point of view, that’s what some writers have called is sort of remote control operation against anti-semitism. The real focus here of these people is to combat anti-semitism by championing a sort of anti-White narrative of American history. That America is evil to the core.

 

Natty: Yeah. So on the 1924 immigration law, there’s a quote here from Gould on page 34. You talk about this, and he says:

 

“The quotas slowed immigration from the Southern and Eastern Europe to a trickle. Throughout the 1930s, jewish refugees anticipating the Holocaust sought to emigrate, but were not admitted. Legal quotas and continuing eugenic propaganda barred them, even in the years when inflated quotas for Western and Northern European nations were not filled. Chase has estimated that the quotas barred up to 6 million – there’s that number – Southern, Central, and Eastern Europeans between 1924 and the outbreak of World War II. We know what happened to many who wished to leave but had nowhere to go. The path to destruction are often indirect, but ideas can be agents as sure as guns and bombs.”

 

That’s kind of libellous against people who, even before anything had happened in Germany at that time, is blaming America for it. Americans and American politicians for it.

 

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Kevin MacDonald: Exactly! Yeah, 1924, way before National Socialism, Hitler and everything.

 

And so the mindset at that time was they could see that the ethnic conflict was brewing in America because of all this immigration. And a lot of people, they wanted to have a sort of cooling off period where people could assimilate and sort of become Americans, because you really had a lot of ethnic enclaves at that time. And the Italians and Poles and so on, they assimilated, but jews never really did. They assimilated in the sense that they could speak English and became part of the American establishment and all that, but they never really identified with America, and they continued to really not identify as Americans.

 

And so more and more now, you see, even on jewish publications, you see, they don’t identify as White people. And because Whites are under so much criticism and hate now in America. Jews don’t want to identify with that. For a long time, jews did. If it’s beneficial to be White, they would say they’re White.

 

But now that it’s not beneficial, they are backing away from that.

 

Natty: Well, that phenomenon I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but that phenomenon itself has been fairly well documented in the last several years by people on the dissident Right. Where you can contrast opposing quotes. So maybe on Twitter or something. Yeah, I’m sure you’ve seen a massive infographics where you’ve got people saying:

 

“Oh, Whiteness should be destroyed. Whiteness is terrorism. And then on the opposite page, you’ll have, I’m not White, I’m jewish.”

 

Kevin MacDonald: Exactly! Or else they’ll pose as White people. They’ll say:

 

“My fellow Whites, we must, ..!”

 

Sort of meme.

 

Natty: Yeah, [chuckling] I saw a very funny meme recently where a wasp is flying up to a bumblebee, and he gives this great spiel about:

 

“Hello, my fellow bee!”

 

And the bee calls him out, and the wasp just says:

 

“Oy vey! I hope you get stung!”

 

On a serious note, though, that does raise the question of and I know you talk about this later in the book. I’m kind of jumping chapters here a little bit because I’m probably coming forward to the conclusion of the book. But that sets up a very dangerous situation for jews in the West. Right?

 

If they denigrate this group of people who they also need as hosts or need to blend in with in order to continue this kind of evolutionary survival, the strategy for survival that they have.

 

22 – Jewish Alliances with Other Racial Groups Against Whites

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Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, well, it’s dangerous, but at the same time, what jews have done to make it less dangerous is to promote the immigration of all these other groups. And all the big jewish organisations have made alliances with the non-White groups, with blacks. Beginning in the early 20th century, with the National Association for the Advancement of the Colored People, a pro-black organisation. Jews organised that, and all the attorneys and everything of that organisation were jews, at least until the 1930s. They originated in 1909. It was a totally jewish operation, but also certainly Hispanics, Latinos, and Asians. They’ve all tried their best to make alliances with those groups. They’ve been pretty successful. So they really see this non-White alliance, including jews, against White America, as a way of the future.

 

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And that’s why immigration has been so important to them. Right now. Our Secretary of Homeland Security is Alejandro Mayorkas. He’s jewish, and he has admitted they’re not enforcing any border laws anymore! They’re just walking over the border, and they get them to check in, in a while, we’ll hear your case. It’ll be a couple of years before they hear it. And they’ll never expel, these people.

 

Natty: You’re preaching to the choir on this one.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, it’s the Great Replacement!

 

Natty: Yeah, I know you said a million people in the US.

 

Kevin MacDonald: So they think they can win this I think. They think they can win.

 

Natty: But it does raise a question, though. On these kind of alliances with other racial groups who they’ve helped expand in the United States and other countries in the West. They don’t seem to be, and I know this is a theory, not so much a fact, but they don’t seem so prone to the kind of what you might call or what you might call “pathological altruism”. That has been the reason why it’s been so easy for us as White Europeans to go along with this, or to be led down this path. Do you see that that could also happen to Hispanics and blacks?

 

I mean, there’s already been some pushback. I know you probably saw recently the Kanye West has come out and seemed to have ignited something. Maybe it might be a flash in the pan or otherwise. But do you think these other groups will be prone to the same problems that we’ve had over the last 100, 200, however long it is years?

 

23 – Anti-Semitism Among Blacks and Other Non-Whites

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Kevin MacDonald: They might. You mentioned Kanye West. And actually there’s a history of black anti-semitism going way back because jews in the black neighbourhoods, like in New York City and other big cities would own the apartment houses and they would own the pawn shops, they would own the little stores and all that. And they did not treat their black customers very well, exploited them really high interest rates and all that. And blacks aren’t very good at managing money.

 

And so you had this exploitation theme, and so they hated jews.

 

But certainly the jewish-Black Alliance was strong in the 1960s, and it still is, I think, among the leadership of the blacks. Because black leadership has been just a disaster for black people.

 

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For example, the black leadership hasn’t said anything about immigration, yet immigration impacts blacks most! Economically, because they’re taking the jobs that blacks would naturally be able to have. So there’s competition there. And now we see in LA, Los Angeles, we see a full-on conflict now between blacks and Latinos. I think Latinos are a majority of the city now. But recently, these Latino politicians and labour leaders, they came out saying these really anti-black things and sort of freaking people out.

 

So there’s a lot of conflict among these groups. But jews are betting, I think, that these groups ultimately can be persuaded to be anti-White.

 

And of course, the other part of the equation is these White liberals. You’d mentioned pathological altruism, and I think that it does become pathological at some point. But we Westerners are individualists at heart, and I wrote a book on that. And in that book individualists are much less prone to see other people as out-groups. They see other people as individuals.

 

24 – Sam Bankman Fried — A Jewish Fraudster

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And so when a jew does something terrible, like just now, we have this huge financial scandal with this guy Sam Bankman Fried. He’s not seen as a typical jew or having any connection with jews. He’s seen as someone who is a bad individual and not someone who is part of a long history of jewish fraud. Bernie Madoff, Andrew Joyce has written quite a bit on that, and I’ve written some, not in Culture of Critique. But yeah, I mean, it’s a common kind of thing.

 

And we have an article now, it’s gotten a lot of attention on the sort of family aspect of that, is that this guy’s parents are both prominent law Professors, but they were involved with Sam’s crypto adventure. And that has completely imploded and there’s a lot of suspicion that there’s a lot of fraud involved in that they made off with a lot of money here as need they’re talking about restoring all that money, but it really is not going to happen, I don’t think.

 

Natty: Well, increasingly it’s looking like he may not even get in trouble. That might be naive of me to say, but he hasn’t been pulled back, or there’s no high level talk about things that are going to happen to him.

 

But you’re right. I mean, certainly not by us, but certainly by the mainstream. He’s obviously not talked about as being jewish. He’s just this curly haired kind of freakish money guy who messed up somehow.

 

Kevin MacDonald: He “made a mistake”!

 

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Mark Collett: Yeah his mistake was obviously, … For people who don’t know what he actually did was he was selling people Bitcoin and people were cover what was in everybody’s wallet.

 

So if you went to FTX and you bought four Bitcoins and say 999 other people went and bought four Bitcoins, well, that’s a thousand people buying four Bitcoins. So you think, well, there’s 4,000 Bitcoins there, but there weren’t. There might have only been a thousand Bitcoins there.

 

So he was making huge amounts of money selling crypto-currency that didn’t actually even exist, hoping that basically the market would carry on inflating and inflating. As it inflated he could buy more to cover what he claimed he had. But it was all done on the basis of:

 

“Well, not everybody is going to withdraw their Bitcoin on the same day. And as long as they don’t, everything will be fine.”

 

And obviously this is what’s been done with gold in the past, where jewish bankers would take people’s gold, they’d say:

 

“We’ll hold your gold for you and we’ll give you slips, IOUs saying, I own this much gold.”

 

And eventually they issued more slips to people than there was gold. So they created this money supply on the back of something not being there.

 

Then eventually when people said:

 

“Well, actually, can we all have our gold back?”

 

There was nowhere near enough gold to cover the pieces of paper handed out on the back of that. And it’s a classic scheme! But the fact that this hasn’t been discussed in the light that it should have been tells you everything you need to know. And people are saying:

 

“Oh, well, we need to clamp down on crypto!”

 

And that’s an odd thing to say, isn’t it? That’s like a guy walking into a bank with a gun and saying:

 

“Right, hand over all your cash!”

 

And then the authorities at the end saying:

 

“Let’s not bother with the bank robber. Let’s clamp down on these banks!”

 

Ironically, it almost goes against another thing that jews push because it is classic victim blaming! So crypto holders and the crypto industry, which has been scammed by this jew, are actually the ones who are being blamed.

 

So it’s the entire industry and everyone who owns crypto who now has to be regulated due to the actions of this one guy.

 

Anyway, Aunt Sally is also here. I hope you sorted out your Mike now, Aunt Sally, you’ve been in and out so far tonight. I’ve seen you disappear and reappear a few times. Are we up and running?

 

Kevin MacDonald: What’s that?

 

Mark Collett: We’ve got another reviewer on the show, but she’s been having problems with her mike. So I don’t know if we can hear or not. And if not, I’m going to throw it back to Natty. We can hear you. It’s just we can’t hear her. Natty, carry on, my friend.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Oh, okay.

 

25 – Are We Seeing a Sea Change in Regard to How Jews Operate?

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Natty: She may not realise she’s muted, but I’ll carry on.

 

Do you think we’re seeing a sea change? I mean, the book is now 25 years old.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah.

 

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Natty: Just given your general thoughts on what’s happened since the books being published, are we moving into a different kind of era of this kind of the broad spectrum of the JQ? I’ve heard it said that they’re having to assume more direct control.

 

If you look at Biden’s cabinet, for instance, they’re simply not trusting goys to run things in the same way that they used to because there’s too many rogue elements, there’s too much information slippage, there’s too many people saying things they don’t like. Do you see that continuing or do you think it’s a change? Or is that me being optimistic, [chuckling] because I’m naive?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Certainly the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League in America is a big activist jewish organisation. And for them, it’s like, what do we call Whacka Mole! It’s constantly arising and they have to tamp it down. So they have a big campaign for censorship, for example. But it keeps coming up. I mean, recently, Kanye West and Kyrie Irving, the basketball player.

 

And just recently now, now Donald Trump invited Kanye West, or Kanye invited himself to Mar-a-Lago*, to Trump’s place. And he brought along Nick Fuentes! Who is a podcaster, and he said anti-Holocaust revisionist kind of things. And he’s pro-White and all that. And Trump claims he didn’t know that Fuentes was coming, but:

 

“Oh, is that a big deal? He invites Nazi to Mar-a-Lago!”

 

It’s constant, that they have to keep going after this.

 

[* Mar-a-Lago is a resort and national historic landmark in Palm Beach, Florida, owned by former U.S. President Donald Trump. Trump acquired Mar-a-Lago in 1985 and referred to it as his “Winter White House” and “Southern White House” during his presidential tenure.]

 

But I don’t see a big change.

 

If you look at the media, it could be that people are wising up. I think black people, mean you’ve got Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam. He’s very explicitly anti-Jewish!

 

So I do think that can spread in the black community. And they’re not going to take the ADL’s word for Kanye West. You’ll still see black leaders who want to maintain their position. They’re not going to be able to go against jewish power because they know what happened to Kanye West, he lost a billion and a half dollars or something.

 

So they understand jewish power, and basically don’t want to mess with it.

 

But I do think the popular attitudes, it’s seeping through a little bit. It’s becoming more mainstream.

 

26 – MacDonald Has High Hopes for Twitter with Elon Musk

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And the thing is, I have high hopes for Twitter now. I think Elon Musk is genuinely trying to change things. I’ve never gotten kicked off Twitter, and I certainly post some things that would be seen as anti-Jewish. The ADL hates me.

 

I mean, I’ve got a huge file there at the ADL website.

 

Natty: You should wear that as a badge of honour, probably.

 

Kevin MacDonald: But I’m just hoping that Twitter could really become a platform for honest discussion of jewish issues, which is the last thing the jewish community wants. What’s so ironic about the Kanye West thing is what Kanye West says is that jews have all this power in Hollywood that they can shut people down. And what happened when he said that? He got shut down! It’s pretty obvious that jews do have power and that they can make or break the careers of many, many, many people.

 

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And God knows they tried to get rid of me. The ADL was on campus, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is basically, it’s not explicitly a jewish organisation, but it’s jewish funded. And a lot of jews were on the staff at the time, and they wanted to get me fired. They couldn’t because of the rules about tenure at the university in America. So thank God for that.

 

But, yeah, they want to fire anybody that they have power over. And so many people can’t do what I did. People say I’m brave. Well, I wasn’t really brave because they couldn’t fire me. Kanye West is sort of brave for saying that. I think Kanye West, though, he’s a little impulsive and he’s not all there.

 

I can’t imagine someone going to Donald Trump and saying:

 

“Would you be my running mate?”

 

Like, Kanye West is going to be the presidential candidate vice president. That’s ridiculous! And it can only come from someone who’s a little bit deranged. [chuckling]

 

But it’s a constant battle for the ADL now, and we’ll see what happens.

 

27 – ADL and Twitter, Tesla

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Natty: Sure? Yeah, I agree. I do think it would be nice to see the ADL booted off Twitter by Elon Musk.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Oh, that’d be nice! They’ve already said all kinds of negative things about Musk on Twitter.

 

Natty: I’m pretty sure using the platform of a company to try and destroy that company, it’s insanely, … The chutzpah of it! It’s insane!

 

Kevin MacDonald: There’s talk of an investigation. I think they’re investigating Tesla now, which is Musk’s big operation where he makes an awful lot of his money, and they’re investigating, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the official government organisation. So we’ll see what happens.

 

I mean, they could come down against Tesla, and it would be a real test of jewish power. If they could ruin Elon Musk, and Tesla, that would be an amazing feat of jewish power. We’ll see. They certainly would love to see it.

 

Natty: Yeah, I think so. It would entirely depend on., … It seems to me like everything that happened with Elon’s takeover of Twitter has been a series of escalations by the jewish power structure. Where first of all, it’s Lawsuits against the acquisition of the company.

 

And then the ADL steps in and they start now they’re talking about he’s kind of broken this agreement, or possibly or they’ve broken the agreement. So now they’re talking about taking off the Google and Samsung Play stores or whatever it is, the Apple Play store.

 

So there’s a series of steps, these escalations and steps where each time they have to reveal more of their power, they have the power to take it off the A.

 

Stores from Apple and Google. It’s more confirmation how much, …

 

Kevin MacDonald: Go ahead.

 

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Natty: This incredible range of power they have. And then if they do that and it still doesn’t stop, then they had to go above and beyond and get the SEC involved in investigating Tesla and shutting down Tesla. And then if that doesn’t work, if he carries on running his mouth or using his money to do something else, then what are they going to do? Assassinate him? I mean, who knows?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Interesting, today, yesterday, he tweeted. He said:

 

“That if they removed those apps from the Apple and Google that he will start his own phone, he’ll develop his own smartphone.”

 

Natty: Yeah, I’m sure they’re already thinking about ways [chuckling] to counter that. Attacks on lithium mining or something like that. He would almost have to set up an entire, I mean, it comes down to just build your own country to escape these people!

 

Kevin MacDonald: It’d be interesting because a big push to the Left is going for electric cars and all that, but maybe they’ll start saying:

 

“Well, maybe we should go back to gas!”

 

Natty: Yeah, [chuckling]. Mark, I’ll throw it back to you if you want.

 

Mark Collett: No, I always like to give you a chance to talk on these things, Natty, because obviously I do so many shows, and I’ve had the pleasure of speaking to Kevin many times.

 

But we could do some of the Superchats. I can have a look and see if we’ve got some Superchats because we have just reached the hour, and we do have some Superchats.

 

Natty: Before you do, if you’re willing to let me, I’d go into a subject that may just be a minute long, or it may now, …

 

Mark Collett: No, go for it, mate. We’ve got another hour. We’ve got some Superchats on Entropy. Some on Odysee. We’ve lost Aunt Sally. So it’s all down to you, big man. You are now in charge of the show, Natty!

 

28 – The Vampire Myth and Jews

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Natty: Okay, well, I wanted to ask you something. As I was reading I can’t remember which chapter it was, but something came to my mind that was buried back there a little while ago and that is the vampire myth, that I’m guessing originated in Eastern Europe, I think. I may be wrong about that. Do you have any thoughts on that? Is this pertinent to jewish power of the way that the jews operated in Eastern Europe?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Well, I don’t know. I don’t know much about the origins of that myth, the vampire idea. But it certainly suggests the blood sucking and one of the big things that happened in 2008 with the financial crisis. This journalist, Matt Talibbi talking about Goldman Sachs, and he said* that:

 

“This is like a giant squid jamming it’s, in the neck of the other organism and sucking the blood out!”

 

[* Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi once famously described Goldman Sachs as: “A great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessy jamming it’s blood funnel into anything that smells like money.”]

 

29 – Jews as Parasite and Predators

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And that’s the thing. It’s like a parasitic sort of metaphor. And jews have often been described as parasites. Although I would describe them more as predators, actually. That you look at interest, the whole long history of money lending and all that, they’re preying on people who are, … Especially the economically not so well off. It’s always that way that they prey on the weak. And they’re still doing that today, of course.

 

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Natty: I think probably the reluctance to call them predators is that they’ve always been physically weaker [chuckling] than White European men. To call someone a predator implies muscle and speed and strength maybe. Might be part of the reason.

 

Mark Collett: No, not at all. Actually, Natty, I’m going to have to correct you there. If you actually look at several species of animals and sea creatures, there are a number of different predators who have an evolutionary advantage because they actually are, or play physically weak, but have a way of doing so which entices other animals towards them. So that this sort of creature plays weak. It plays as if it is really prey itself, only for the animals to venture near to get ensnared and get defeated, despite the fact that the animal that is getting ensnared appears physically stronger or appears as the more physically dominant creature.

 

So there are more ways to be a predator than just through brute force. Cunning and guile are certainly important.

 

Kevin MacDonald: That’s true. There are some interesting parasites in nature where they infect the brain of the host and make the host act on behalf of the parasite.

 

And so it’s like taking over the mind, the brain of the other animal. And that’s very apt metaphor. Because in a way the brains of our society now really are dominated by jewish brains, and the entire control. It’s like they have the controls of our society, where it’s headed, how you interpret the past and all that. So, both are interesting metaphors.

 

Natty: Can I give you an analogy of the week predator that Mark just outlined.

 

So you’re a rural farmer and you need money for a tractor and a small short disheveled, sniveling, hook nosed, greasy haired man turns up your door and says:

 

“I’ll lend you the money, I’ll give you a decent interest rate, you can borrow the money.”

 

And you think:

 

“Well sure I’ll borrow the money and if I can’t make repayments, well he’s tiny, I’ve got all my sons here and we can flatten him, no big deal!”

 

And then of course you make a late repayment, the interest rate balloons, skyrockets, and of course he doesn’t come back himself, he sends back a pack of massive thugs who work for him. They burn down your farm and take everything you’ve got! [chuckling]

 

30 – Jewish Ethics in Regard to Non-Jews

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Kevin MacDonald: Right. They’ve always preyed the weak. Famously in Eastern Europe, but also in the Middle Ages in Western Europe.

 

But in Eastern Europe they were the ones who ran the taverns that sold alcohol and really facilitated drunkenness. And they were also the usurers and all that, controlling the sort of middlemen and the economy and the merchants and everything.

 

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So yeah, I mean it’s a pervasive thing. And the thing about jews is they don’t attach any moral quality to non-jews. You can exploit them. They’re basically beasts that you can take advantage of because jews, the whole ethic of Judaism, this does not appear, there’s a section of Wikipedia on jewish ethics and it does not remotely resemble what I’m about to say!

 

That their jewish ethics is basically you can exploit other peoples. There are totally different rules for jews and non-jews, which you can see in the Old Testament. But it continues in the Talmud.

 

Slavery, for example, even slavery, you can slave jews, but you have to treat an awful lot better than non-jews.

 

But whatever, killing, robbing, whatever, you can do that with very different standards of morality for jews and non-jews.

 

Natty: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Well interesting as well when you say this Kevin, because I remember when – I’m sure you’ve heard of him – a guy called Tommy Robinson became very popular in the UK and he used to speak extensively about things that were written in the Islamic holy book in the Quran. And he would go through the Quran and he would say, well this is Islamic terminology that means X, this Islamic terminology means Y.

 

And basically this grants people who are followers of Islam the ability to basically do what they wish to people who aren’t Islamic. And Tommy Robinson, I think he actually wrote a book he definitely published. I think it’s called Muhammad’s Koran. I think that’s what it’s actually called. And it’s basically him going through the Quran pointing these things out bit by bit.

 

And I always find this very, very interesting because if you say to these people, well actually if you look at the Talmud, the Talmud is far worse than the Koran or the Bible, when it comes to the things that it calls for on the heads of people who are from other religious backgrounds or other communities. These people will have none of that! They won’t entertain that one bit!

 

But some of the things written in the Talmud, you can tell this isn’t something that has come about, this anti-gentile sentiment, it’s not something that’s come about sort of post World War II, as some people naively think. But this anti-gentile sentiment has existed for, you know, centuries, thousands of years. And you can actually trace it right back even to biblical times.

 

31 – Tikkun Olam “You Help the World” Deception

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Kevin MacDonald: Absolutely! It’s in the Old Testament and it’s pervasive. And only in the 19th century when jews were trying to present themselves as just normal people and they were trying to tone down jewish religious services to make them look like more Christian and all that, only then did they develop this whole idea that “jews are a light unto the nations”.

 

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Actually, it appears, I guess in the Old Testament too, but it became the sort of ideology of jews in the modern world:

 

“We are the light unto the nations, we are the ethical paragons and we are the people who are the book, who are just ethically superior to you non-jews.”

 

That’s an absolute bedrock staple of the way jews see themselves now, as helping the world. Tikkun olam* is a Hebrew, “You help the world”.

 

[* Tikkun olam is a concept in Judaism, which refers to various forms of action intended to repair and improve the world. In classical rabbinic literature, the phrase referred to legal enactments intended to preserve the social order.]

 

So all their actions are geared to helping other people. And I have a whole chapter on self-deception in my book, Separation and Its Discontents on anti-semitism, because you see so much of that l How can anybody actually believe that, when you look at jewish actions throughout history?

 

But that’s what it is.

 

So I think there’s a lot of self-deception and of course there’s deception. They promote this. A lot of them probably don’t even believe it.

 

When we see Israel now. Israel is held up as this paragon of democracy and freedom! And here they are oppressing Palestinians, very racially apartheid and all that.

 

And yet American jewish organisations [chuckling] are gung-ho pro-Israel, and yet in America they are gung-ho anti-White. And any kind of discrimination by White people will be horrible, horrible racism! But they do it in Israel, routinely. In the American political establishment, absolutely on board with that! Absolute fealty to Israel!

 

32 – The (((Sam Bankman Fried))) Crypto Fraud

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Natty: This self-deception in regards to Tikkun olam or these paragons of moral virtue was revealed in the (((Sam Bankman Fried))) debacle, where even now there’s articles coming out saying:

 

“He was so altruistic! His whole raison d’être was to help people.”

 

And this philanthropic kind of investment strategies and all this other stuff.

 

Even now, when it was revealed that he was basically just a thief and he was running a Ponzi scheme, they’re still trying to claim that he was:

 

“Just a lovely guy who wanted to help people and invest all his money!”

 

There’s an aspect of self-deception, but also just a willingness to deceive and carry on this ridiculous lie that these people are good for humanity or stand above everyone else when it comes to ethics and morals.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah. The same time, he was paying off these regulators of the crypto industry to make sure that he would not get any kind of regulatory problems with the government. He’s not altruistic at all.

 

Mark Collett: We’ll do some Superchats in about three minutes.

 

But I want to say this. It almost looked to me when you see these Mafia scams on things like The Sopranos, it almost seemed like that to me. Because on one hand, he’s creating money that doesn’t exist and this is all backed up by nothing – but by something – but just insufficient amounts of Bitcoin to what he was selling. So he was selling thousands of Bitcoin and he didn’t have the thousands of Bitcoin to back up what he sold.

 

So eventually, when there was a run on the platform, everything collapsed. And some people have got their Bitcoin out because there was some on the exchanges, but a lot of people lost everything.

 

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But when you actually look at it, how did this come about? Well, it came about in absolute collusion with the Democrats! And the Democrats were accepting vast, vast sums of money from this guy!

 

So this wasn’t just an issue of the Democrats playing sort of taking things off him as like:

 

“Oh, thanks for the donation.”

 

The Democrats were taking so many, I think it might have even been millions, or was it even billions in donations from this guy. He was funding them, and as such, he was basically avoiding any form of regulation. So as long as he pumped money into the Democratic Party, as long as he pumped money their way, and as long as he kept that agenda going, which is obviously the open border agenda, that basically left him in a situation where he was untouchable by any form of regulation.

 

And the whole thing is just like the Mafia! And it involves the politicians, it involves the scammer, and who are, and I’m going to say this, but if you said to me:

 

“Who did I think the average person was who missed out on all this, or who lost out?”

 

The average person losing out will be your little White guy who thought:

 

“You know what? I’m going to put ten grand into Bitcoin because it’s booming!”

 

And they’re thinking to themselves:

 

“Whoa! You know, I put some money into Bitcoin when it was six grand a coin and it boomed and it’s still now at 16 grand, so I’ve made some money. And this is my little nest egg!”

 

And it’s that White guy who made a couple of investments with his life savings or the money he got when his mum passed away or his granddad passed away, who put everything into this just to make his life or the life of his family a little bit better. And they’re the ones that lost out. And the people that benefited are basically this jewish guy, this jewish guy’s family, and the politicians that he associates with who push most vehemently this open border, anti-White policies.

 

And again, the people that lose out on every level is your average White guy. And I just see this again and again and again with what they do! And I often find this funny. I’ve got to ask this question because we talked earlier about analogies in nature and we’re going to do the Superchats after this, so let’s just breeze through this. But there are animals in nature that form what are called symbiotic relationships with one another.

 

So one of these animals helps the other. There’s one of them with a shark, and there’s a little fish that swims around the sharks. And the sharks don’t eat that particular little fish. They never eat that little fish. Because that little fish actually spends it’s time cleaning parasites and other things off the shark.

 

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Another example is there is a fish which gets invaded by a bug. And the bug eats the fish’s tongue but then behaves as the fish’s tongue and eats the nasty things that might do harm to the fish if the fish ingested him.

 

So it’s a symbiotic relationship. These animals live sort of in pairs or in some form of symbiosis, whereby one actually helps the other, and then they both get something out of that relationship. They both get something good from their partnership.

 

33 – Why Can’t Jews Live in Harmony with Others?

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Now, Kevin, I’ve got to ask you this. Obviously, if jews lived in the West and they produced healthy moral media. And they produced good things and they didn’t do the negative things, I can see a situation where they could live in peaceful sort of symbiosis with Western populations. Why do you think they always choose not to take that route? Why do they never choose to live in peaceful symbiosis but always seem to follow a path that ultimately ends up with them, like today, in many ways, where today a lot of people are now saying:

 

“Hey, look! These guys are a bit of a negative on our society.”

 

Why do they always take that path? Why can they never just provide things that people want and live in harmony with others?

 

I think you muted, Kevin.

 

Kevin MacDonald: I’m sorry, maybe you can edit that out. I’m often asked what I advocate should be done to the jews, or that you should do, and I certainly say:

 

“Stop doing what you’re doing!”

 

And if they did that and started to help us reverse the process, there’d be no problem.

 

But I think that the jewish history, this hostile, this attitude that all the world’s against us, that we have to protect ourselves from the goyim and especially White goyim that may turn into “Nazis” at any moment, that attitude is pervasive.

 

And so they really do not trust non-jewish people and especially White people, in the long run. I don’t think it’s possible to have a sort of peace, some kind of status quo that we could all agree on for the jewish issues. Because there’s just a long history. The whole jewish mindset is this attitude that non-jews have no moral value!

 

And so you start out like that. You’re not going to be positive about these other people, and you’re going to do what you can to mess them up. And that seems to be what’s happening.

 

Natty: But the other thing that is laid out quite early on in the book, which kind of precludes what you’re saying, Mark, can never happen, is that the motivation, one of the driving motivations for this jewish ethnocentrism, this in-group preference, is anti-semitism. That’s what drives them. It’s not positive. It’s not a positive vision. This falsehood of Tikkun olam or whatever it is, the driving force of this behaviour is anti-semitism or this perception of anti-semitism. If we don’t do this to these people, they will pogrom us, or they will kick us out. They will do horrible things to us.

 

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34 – Jews Want Total Authoritarian Control of Society, a Digital Gulag

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Kevin MacDonald: I agree. That’s what it is so jews are totally in the idea of control!

 

And so I see now, I think the jewish elite, people elite positions are heading in the direction of really advocating authoritarian control of society, as you had in the Soviet Union, as you have in China, and as we see increasingly heading towards in America and throughout the West. That is censorship of ideas you don’t want. Putting dissidents in prison. That sort of thing, and basically having authoritarian control over all media.

 

That’s why Elon Musk is so angry at these people now. They see their control of the media slipping away. You’ve got Tucker Carlson on Fox News talking about the Great Replacement and going after the ADL. And in general, that’s the kind of thing we see now and then you got Kanye West, where you have celebrities. It’s one thing to have some guy that nobody has heard about being anti-Jewish. It’s another thing for a celebrity.

 

And so they really police that! And they want to prevent those kind of influential people from any kind of role in our society.

 

But what they want, they want communist control over thought, and action, and the media, and the Gulags. That’s what they want.

 

Natty: Well, Morgoth of Morgoth Review, it might not have been him, but someone has coined the term the Digital Gulag. It seems like that’s what they’re working towards. And this acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk is kind of breaking that slightly or putting cracks into that idea of a Digital Gulag.

 

35 – Superchats – MacDonald’s Relationship with David Sloan Wilson?

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Mark Collett: All right, let’s do some of these Superchats because we have had some and I appreciate them all greatly. So let us do this. We will start with the Entropy Superchats. And we’ve got the following a guy who calls himself, I Am a Stupid Moron, which is a strange name, has given a number of Superchats. And his Superchats are as follows. He says:

 

“Big fan of Kevin MacDonald. He helped me on my transition from socialist to centrist and neocon to paleo conservative. What is Kevin’s relationship with David Sloan Wilson?”

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, David Sloan Wilson and I were collaborating in the late eighties and early nineties, and then it sort of fell apart when I wrote Culture of Critique in 1998. His politics are very liberal, typical academic.

 

But yeah, he’s a pioneer in-group selection theory. And for example, he organised a panel at one of the conferences in Human Behavior and Evolution Society. And I was on that. And we corresponded a lot and all that. But because of what I’ve done since then, … In my opinion, I just took the whole in-group selection idea and instantiated it, gave a great example of it. But he doesn’t want to go there.

 

So we don’t talk anymore.

 

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Mark Collett: I’m sorry to hear that. The same gentleman asked:

 

“Hey, Mark, can you give an update of CoC, Culture of Critique, to Jason? And asked Kevin how other successful minorities i.e., Chinese in Southeast Asia adopt a group evolutionary strategy that isn’t fundamentally antagonistic to the host populations. They are the cause of our problems.”

 

Yes, I will post a copy of the CoC to Jason. He also asked Kevin:

 

“I want to transition to becoming a full stack web developer as a career. Would love to make some dissident intellectual websites as taking my part and contributing to the cause. Can I make a website for you?”

 

Kevin MacDonald: For me? I don’t quite understand.

 

Mark Collett: I think he wants to design a new website for you.

 

Kevin MacDonald: A new website for me? Yeah, I could do that. I have a website. KevinMacDonald.net. Has a lot of my publications on it. I have to talk to the person, see what the ideas it has in mind.

 

Mark Collett: Basically, if you want to contact Kevin about private business matters like that, best you write to him. You can find him at The Occidental Observer. And he asked one last question. He said:

 

“Why can’t mainstream media pick up on the obvious double standards of jews when it comes to Israel? Israel is far-Right ethno-state. They ban pornography, abortion, practices apartheid against brown people, no refugees.”

 

36 – Superchats – Could Other Ethnic Groups Oust Jews in Certain Parts of America?

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But I think that question was answered earlier. The media don’t get this out because the media is owned by jews. Unknown Californian gave $3. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“This is the most excellent show. Definitely something that needs to be discussed and a great educational tool. Hail Kevin!”

 

I agree with that. He also gave $10. Thank you Unknown California, and he said:

 

“The name we do not speak of has a several trillion dollar war chest dominating academia, media, news and finance. Would Whites who built these institutions and were either pushed out or abandoned retake these industries? Or is there other groups who have organisational and financial resources?”

 

So could anyone else, what he’s saying is, could anyone else take over academia, media and news?

 

And obviously what Natty asked a very important question. After what we’ve seen in California recently, could you potentially see other people, say Hispanics who have in-group preference ousting jews in certain parts of America as the demographic change occurs?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Well, it could happen, I suppose. But it’s a long uphill fight to really take over. You have to occupy the elite positions and that means academic world, it means media, so much of which is owned by jews and contributors to the media are jews. It’s a long process.

 

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And the problem with, say, with Latinos in California, this is not a real high achieving group. A lot of what they have achieved now is because of affirmative action. Where they get promoted and admitted to various things with lower test scores and lower qualifications than Whites. Asians are an interesting example of that. And I do think Asians in the long run may really see themselves as allying with Whites, because they’re a high achieving group.

 

37 – Super Achieving Asians

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On the other hand, Whites are going to have some conflicts of interest with Asians. And Asians are super achieving and Whites are getting pushed out of elite institutions now by jews and Asians.

 

It’s interesting, Ron Unz, a recent piece, he studied admissions at Harvard and places like that. And what you see is a rise in Asian admissions and it really declined in White admissions that corresponds to that. But the jewish enrollment staying about the same. And that’s the reality. And this is despite the fact that jewish academic achievement in their test scores and stuff has been falling. They are not as achieving kind of minority as they used to be in terms of academic ability and so on.

 

They’re sort of relaxed, and upper middle class and they don’t strive as hard as their ancestors did. And I predicted this in the last chapter of Culture Critique. I said we’re going to see as an Asian-jewish elite, where jews run the media, verbal, law, jurisprudence and so on.

 

And Asians are the sort of technocrats. Technology and that sort of thing.

 

And I think we are sort of seeing that.

 

Natty: Well, increasingly as well they’re now using Indians from the subcontinent.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Indians too. They’re another high achieving group in this country. They’re very high average income, higher than Whites. This immigration thing is a disaster for White people! That we’re going to be pushed out by higher achieving groups from the rest of the world. And it’s probably happening in the UK as well, but certainly in this country with the Asians really dominating test scores in college admissions and so on.

 

So to the point where Harvard is explicitly discriminating against them, against Asians. And they are not being admitted according to your test score. So they make up some fuzzy category:

 

“Well, they don’t have the right personality or something.”

 

Natty: One of the spin-offs to the comments you were just making.

 

Now, I think this is a lesser point, but might feed into it is the acceptance of these Indians, for instance, and Pakistanis and probably in America, South Americans, Mexicans, to really eat up the slop that the media puts out these days in a way that I think increasingly White people are becoming really tired of! Adverts full of Africans, and really in your face obvious propaganda from producers such as Netflix and Amazon and the rest of it.

 

Whereas these kind of racial strangers who are relatively new to these lands just they love it! They can’t get enough of it.

 

Whereas we’re seemingly and maybe this is anecdotal becoming really tired of this crap that they’re feeding us.

 

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38 – Constant Non-Whites in Ads and Movies

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Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, we see in America. Just look at any TV commercials. It’s almost like they have a law that there have to be blacks in it. You think that blacks are majority in this country just by looking at TV commercials! So it’s constant propaganda. And I would think they could say good.

 

But we just had this midterm election and White people voted mostly for Republicans, but disappointingly. So and if you take out the Christian Evangelicals, the majority of Whites voted for the Democrats. And the Democrats are now really dominated by the radical Left. This whole gender ideology, transsexualism and all that. A lot of anti-White hostility coming from prominent Democrat liberal Left media figures like on MSNBC.

 

So I don’t know. White people just don’t seem to get it yet. And I wish we had more influence, you and I, in the media. And we don’t.

 

39 – Jewish Strategy Backfiring?

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Mark Collett: I will second that. Right, we’ll move on to the next Superchat. Max Anderson gave £5. Thanks so much. And said:

 

“I don’t understand. If the jews manage to replace Whites with non-Whites, then advanced civilisation will collapse. I don’t see how the jews benefit unless jews hate Whites so much they don’t care.”

 

Yeah, the long term strategy isn’t particularly good. Would you say that some of this is a matter of, say, greed, and the fact that some of these people are short termists? Or as the Superchatter put, could this be that just the anti-White hatred clouds their minds to any long term survival strategy?

 

Kevin MacDonald: I think it’s possible. I think that the jews make mistakes and it’s possible that this whole thing could backfire, if White people understand who’s really promoting this and has been promoting it for, …

 

Mark Collett: No, I’ll give you another example. I think this is what the guy was talking about. Sorry to cut in. Say, for example, in countries like Germany and France, you end up getting an awful lot of those that are coming to Germany and France as part of the sort of jewish backed mass immigration scheme. A lot of those people are actually Muslims. And a lot of them are actually hostile. Yes, they’re hostile to Whites often, but they’re also often very hostile to jews, often more so than they are to Whites. To the point where some of these people will actually view Whites as potential converts. And I have met in my life White converts to Islam, et cetera, but they won’t see jews as potential converts. They actually see them as sort of the “great enemy”, especially those who hold the Palestinian cause dear to their heart. And some of this mass immigration has actually caused serious problems on the continent for jewish communities.

 

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Kevin MacDonald: Yes, it’s true. I do think, though, that this sort of activist, elite jewish community, they believe that this can be managed. And you look in France, you do have a hostility towards jews carried out by Muslims. And some jews have left France to go to Israel or whatever. But jewish influence in France is still there, and these elite shoes aren’t moving and they still have huge amount of money and power in the media and they’re not going anywhere. People have written about this. Because ADL I had an article by Abe Foxman, worried that Latino immigrants are not going to have the same attitudes about the Holocaust as White Americans do. And they worry about that. And it’s so true, they probably don’t. And it’s hard to inculcate guilt in black people or Latinos about the Holocaust. That’s mainly directed at White people.

 

So I don’t know, it could happen.

 

But again, I think that jewish power does not rest on the average guy that runs a deli or something like that. It depends on the elite jews who are very wealthy and who have power in the media and the academic world. That’s where the jewish power is. And I just don’t see that being endangered at this point.

 

Natty: Well, to add to that and to echo what you’re saying, it seems like if you were to theory craft this out over the next 20 or 30 years, probably the idea they have, and it may not be a long term thing, is that while they have their hands on the levers of power, they can open and shut these things.

 

So they could cut immigration into France, or the UK, or America even, and then claim it as a victory, as a neocon victory, or in this country, Conservative victory, in which you kind of put the damper back on this kind of racial understanding that may be rising against Whites. You say:

 

“Well, we’ve won a victory. This neocon politician has come out and cut down immigration back down to 200,000 a year instead of a million or whatever else it was.”

 

The problem is, …

 

Mark Collett: You mean like Eric Zemmour in France?

 

Natty: Exactly! Jewish radio host propped up out of nowhere to split the vote, ostensibly from better or more Right-wing parties. Exactly!

 

The problem is for them, if you think about it, that requires an increasingly fragile balance of ethnicities who simply aren’t willing to shed their ethnocentrism. And you’ve seen this with the Asian community in the UK and the black community in the United States. They’re not like us. So you’d have to constantly be pulling these levers of who we can allow to speak now or who we should push to the fore now and who we should pull back now and stamp down on now, which just becomes like a balancing act that, as far as I can tell, would just be almost impossible to maintain without a horrendously, oppressive Police State, which may be in the works, unfortunately.

 

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40 – A Jewish Police State Like the Early Soviet Union

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Kevin MacDonald: So true!

 

And I think that’s what they want! I do think that jews want a state that they can control! And what that means ultimately is authoritarian control.

 

I mean, it’s interesting if you look at jews in the 1950s in America, they were all for free speech, because so many jews were being hauled up in front of investigative committees as being communists.

 

And so they were all for free speech, ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union], all civil liberties and all that.

 

But now this is a reverse. Jewish organisations and jewish law professors and everything else, they’re arguing now for censorship and control. And they have no problem at all with that!

 

And again, the best times for jews was in the early Soviet Union, when they had so much control and they just punished their enemies ruthlessly! Mass murder! We’re talking 20 million people being murdered.

 

This is the society of jews want where they are at the top and they can completely control what’s going on. That’s why this authoritarian streak is more and more prominent in the thinking of the Left.

 

Mark Collett: Okay, thank you. We’ve got another Superchat here. We got two from St. Harrison, both for $3. He says:

 

“Great show everyone, and a great way to end Mrs. Saint Harrison’s birthday weekend!”

 

I didn’t even know it was your birthday, Caribou! Happy birthday! And then she says:

 

“Can we all sing Happy Birthday to her?”

 

Natty?

 

Natty: I’m willing if you are.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Who’s birthday is it?

 

Mark Collett: It’s a lady called Caribou who’s a big supporter of yours. Is everyone willing to sing happy Birthday?

 

Natty: Yes. As long as you understand it’s going to be out of six.

 

Mark Collett: It’s going to be really bad. Three, two, one.

 

Natty: Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday to you!

 

Kevin MacDonald: Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday to you!

 

Mark Collett: Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday to you!

 

Right! And that’s it! We’ll never doing that again! Hope you had a great birthday. Serena JB gave £5. Thank you so much! She said:

 

“Great to hear Dr. MacDonald talk about his masterpiece. Used to love listening to his podcast with Andrew Joyce.”

 

Thank you so much!

 

41 – Superchats – Can the Decline of the West Be Reversed?

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As a Bee gave $5. Thank you very much. He said:

 

“Thank you, Kevin, for all your work. It is so unbelievably appreciated. May I ask what you think can be done to stop the decline of the West and even reverse it? Is it possible or are we gone too far?”

 

Natty: It’s illegal to answer that question, though.

 

Kevin MacDonald: That’s the hard question! If I knew that, … I just wrote an article after the election here a week ago or so, and basically I conclude that there are only a few options.

 

And the fact is we will be a non-White country in the very near future because of the children are already majority non-White. And what do we do? So one option is to go for secession. There are still parts of the country that are very White, that are unhappy with the way things are going. And both conservative.

 

And again, they’re not tuned into our ideas, but they would like to get away from Washington, DC. And we’ll see what happens with that.

 

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But again, the Left is already preparing for that. But they’ve purged the military of people who are considered conservative or certainly White nationalists, and they are arming themselves to the teeth. The present administration, again, Mayorkas said, the jewish head of the Department of Homeland Security, they’re establishing all these terrorist task forces! And they are geared towards Whites who are out of line in some way. And a lot of times it’s what we call “entrapment”, where they come and they suggest illegal activities and they promote them and then they arrest them when they try to do it.

 

So it’s a very scary situation! Because I think they would want to keep the Union together and just enforce this authoritarianism on the so-called red states. We’ll see.

 

Mark Collett: Okay, thank you so much! We’ve got some more Superchats over on Odysee. Steve of Wessex said:

 

“Evening all. 14.”

 

Thank you so much! $5 came from Archie. And he asked Kevin MacDonald:

 

“What do you think about the refutations against jewish IQ that say the samples are biased?”

 

Kevin MacDonald: Against the idea of jewish IQ?

 

42 – Superchats – Jewish IQ

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Mark Collett: Yeah, people like Dr. David Duke say the jewish IQ thing is a lie, and they make that up to make themselves feel better. I tend to believe they are very high IQ people, and that’s how they can pull off what they pull off. I don’t think they’re idiots. What do you think when people say that the IQ thing is not true?

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I’ve written about that. I tend to rely on Richard Lynn’s study. He has a book called The Intelligence of the Chosen People or something. And he says their mean IQ is about 111.

 

But there’s an interesting thing about, … There may be very high over representation of really high IQs among jews compared even to the mean IQ. I’m not sure of that.

 

But it’s interesting, the article we have on the FTX scandal right now, it talks about these the parents of Bankman Fried, are law Professors at Stanford. They’re very elite, very smart people. And these are the people that are running, really the influential jews.

 

And so they’re different cut.

 

But in fact, even for any given, … I made this argument in my recent article on replying to Nathan Cofnas, the guy who criticised me, which was retracted from an Israeli journal.

 

Anyway, my argument is that you take any cut-off point, like, IQ 140, there are more non-jews in America, White, non-jews in America, than there are jews at that level of IQ.

 

So you can take for any level 160 whatever.

 

But the fact is its more than IQ. It has to do with I think, networking, cooperating, promoting other jews and that sort of thing. It’s not just IQ. They’re not stupid, though. Yeah, you’re right. Absolutely right!

 

Mark Collett: I think as well, and I’ve put this out many times. It’s one of the things I actually address very differently to the way Dr. David Duke addresses this. Because I recently heard David Duke debating Dr. Edward Dutton. And the reason I heard it because it was on my channel, that’s where they wanted to do the debate!

 

And they had their chat and Dr. David Duke tried to sort of refute the jewish IQ thing. And my answer to the jewish IQ thing and sorry if you have heard this before or somebody else has said this, but I’m not sure the issue is whether they’re higher IQ than us or lower IQ. I think it’s what people do with their IQ that counts.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Absolutely!

 

Mark Collett: If you’ve got a guy who is super high IQ and they use that super high IQ to put a man on the moon, develop neurosurgery that helps people recover from some terrible car crashes and accidents, or they develop a satellite system that connects the world, there are a guy like Elon Musk who develops these electric cars. That’s a drive for positive!

 

But if you’re super high IQ and you use that high IQ to indoctrinate people, or to push pornography upon people, or to build a media empire that essentially pushes what I believe to be moral syphilis on people!

 

Or if you use your super high IQ to come up with this great Ponzi scheme where you’re selling people Bitcoin that doesn’t exist and you make billions from it, but then loads of people lose out, that’s a bad thing!

 

And I think IQ in that sense, I see it as a tool. And if you’ve got a very, very fine tool, you can do either very, very good things with your fine tool or very bad things! And on balance, obviously people know my opinion as to how jews have historically used their IQ upon host nations, which is something obviously I stand against.

 

So that’s my take anyway. And I know that wouldn’t please Dr. David Duke, but that’s my opinion.

 

43 – Superchats – Jews and Nobel Prizes

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Archie gave another $5. Thank you so much! She said:

 

“What’s your thoughts on the idea of jewish over-representation in Nobel Prizes as a virtue signaling effort to remove negative feelings and convince people that jews contribute to society. Similar to the increased visibility of LGBT, South Asians and blacks in positions of power and status?”

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, I think Nobel Prizes are like anything else where it’s hard to know exactly what’s going on. That it’s likely that there is some collusion there promoting certain jews.

 

But, yeah, there’s no question jews are over represented in all this. The question is how much? And the jews do regard that, these Nobel Prize is something worth, … They love it when the announcements come out and they’ll say:

 

“Which ones are jews?”

 

And they worship Albert Einstein. This is the prototypical.

 

If you want to talk to somebody who’s a genius, it’s Albert Einstein. So it’s constantly the idea of jewish genius.

 

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Natty: I’m not sure if everyone is aware, he was staunchly against the First World War. When it came to the Second World War, when it was jews who were seemingly in trouble he was all for destroying Germany and setting the world up in flames.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, he’s a vile little man, Albert Einstein. Vile little man! I’ve seen those pictures of him when they’re developing the atom bomb and he’s cycling around with his tongue hanging out like an idiot, thinking it’s all fun and games. When you think about those poor families obliterated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, absolutely despicable little demon! How you could help create a weapon that could cause that much suffering and be thinking it’s fun and games?

 

I mean, if you created something like that, you would be sort of like:

 

“Should I even be doing this?”

 

If you have the power to create something like that, you would actually be yes, I would be looking at it and thinking:

 

“Should I even be doing this?”

 

But no, he was loving every minute.

 

And something I want to add about the Nobel Peace Prize. And this is something I think about these things. There are two kinds of prizes in life. The first kind of prize is something that you win in a quantitative manner. So if myself and Nathan were to stand on a starting block and somebody was to fire a starter’s pistol and we were to run as fast as we could for 400 meters, one of us would quantitatively defeat the other. It would be absolutely, you’d be able to quantitatively say one was faster, one completed the challenge before the other. And for the record, I’m pretty sure Natty would beat me at that because it’s in top shape at the moment.

 

And that’s something that when you get a prize for, it really means something.

 

Now, on the other hand, you have prizes which are highly subjective and based totally on opinion. So if somebody said to myself and Natty, I want you both to draw a picture of the last Queen of England and me, and that he drew that picture, people may well be very split, and depending on who’s handing out the price, that would be more indicative of who won, because it’s down to taste.

 

And with things like the Nobel Peace Prize or any of the Nobel Prizes, they’re not actually apportioned on quantitative things that can be measured and can be applied fairly across a bracket. It’s just somebody’s opinion.

 

It’s the same with these film awards. For years, Martin Scorsese was the White man ignored at the Oscars. Well, I would say his films, The Goodfellas, Casino were absolute masterpieces, but he never got Oscars for those films. And it’s amazing, but that’s just somebody’s decision.

 

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So I think with things like Nobel Prizes, it’s far, far too open to abuse for it actually to be meaningful. And I’m pretty sure that lots of people, such as Obama, won the Peace Prize. Well, how he won the Peace Prize when he dropped all those bombs from drones all over the Middle East and was killing thousands of people.

 

Yet he accepted a Peace Prize. It was obscene!

 

But again, I think that was done because he was the first black president. And a lot of these things are just totemic. They’re there to make a point.

 

So, yeah, that’s my issue on that.

 

And I think we have one or two last Superchats., you know, who said:

 

“Are you and Woes mates again? Any plans to do Millenniyules? UK needs Right-wing solidarity more than ever.”

 

If he invites me on, I’ll go. If he doesn’t, I won’t lose sleep about it. I have no axe to grind with him. Me and him have spoken since. And yeah, wish him all the best in whatever he chooses to do. I have no problem with the guy at all.

 

Stan One gave 300 Odysee beans and he said:

 

“Library and Odysee have been totally shafted by (((them))) in parentheses. Here’s 300 tokens for what it’s worth.”

 

I appreciate the Odysee beans, my friend. And that about brings us to the end of the show.

 

So, Natty, as you are the last surviving guest because Aunt Sally has had problems, do you want to give your thoughts on the book then? I’ll give my thoughts on the book, then Kevin can give his final thoughts, and we’ll bring it to a close.

 

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Natty: Yeah, obviously, I highly recommend the book. This is a foundational work for anyone on the dissident Right who wants to understand why we are where we are.

 

I know I’ve said that about a few books we’ve talked about, but this is absolutely true of Culture of Critique! I fully intend to read the other two books in the trilogy. Certainly book number two was highly recommended to me when I let one of my friends know that I was reading Culture of Critique. So I’ll be reading that.

 

What a pleasure to talk to Kevin MacDonald as well. A great guy!

 

I want to read, since Sally couldn’t make it, I’m just going to read her comments here and she won’t mind. She said:

 

“Such a shame I can’t come on. I really wanted to do this book club stream more than any of the others. I think this book was the most important of all the books we’ve read, and I recommend everyone read it. It really opened my eyes and answered a lot of questions I’ve always had in my mind about what’s been going on my whole life.”

 

So apologies to Sally and we miss her being on here, but those were her thoughts on the book. Very abbreviated instead of a two hour chat.

 

But what a pleasure. Thank you for coming on, Kevin, and thanks everyone for listening.

 

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Mark Collett: Well, I’m going to give my thoughts on the book before Kevin has the final word.

 

And this is what I’ve got to say.

 

I obviously have so much love for Kevin MacDonald. I hold him in the highest regard! I always love working with him whenever I can. He’s one of the most erudite, most thoughtful, just all around greatest living nationalist! He’s a treasure to our cause. And this book is so very important. And it answers questions that I think everyone has, but anyone else would find difficult to answer.

 

I know I’ve been asked these questions before. How, why, why has this come about? And Kevin MacDonald answers those questions in this book. It’s a foundational text! And we say foundational texts about many books, but this really, really is! Possibly more so than anything else we’ve had on book club.

 

And I think the work that Dr. Kevin MacDonald has done on this book and has done for our cause is almost unrivaled! And his legacy as a man who has exposed what is happening to people of European descent at the hands of this other ethnic group is just phenomenal!

 

So I just want to say, I completely recommend this book. There are plenty of places you can get it online. I’ve got a link to where you can buy it from in the description of this video, but there’s plenty of places you can get it. Unfortunately not still Amazon.

 

But if you are in America or can directly buy it from Kevin, please do, so that he benefits from that, because he certainly does deserve to get something back from his seminal work.

 

So thank you for being with us, Kevin. If you’d like to have the final word and then we’ll close things.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Well, thank you for your kind words. I did enjoy it, brought up a lot of topics, pretty much covered everything in a very intelligent way and I appreciate the opportunity, actually. Thank you very much.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much! Thank you to everyone who listened. Thank you to Kevin, thank you to Natty, thank you to Aunt Sally, despite the fact you can get things working. I’m absolutely gutted you couldn’t. But hopefully we’ll sort that out for the next book club.

 

The next book club will be in January, because obviously it’s Christmas next month. And Christmas means we have a well-earned, break from this, because the week when we do book club kind of conflicts with the Christmas break, so don’t want to sort of clutter up Christmas too much.

 

Now, one other thing I’ll say is. Sam and Laura will be back tomorrow night for Tea Time with Sam and Laura.

 

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And I’ll be back on Wednesday for the new style Patriotic Weekly Review. And the first guest on this new Style show is going to be the one, the only, the wonderful Blair Cottrell from Australia! It’s been a while since we’ve had him on. And I’m sure many people are going to want to ask him how things are in Australia with the Covid restrictions. Because obviously many of you will know that the Covid restrictions in Australia were particularly harsh. And that’s one of the places where they are going to be potentially trialing this new digital ID system. So, very important show coming up. Hope to see you all there on Wednesday.

 

And just a final thank you to everyone, everyone who donated, everyone who watched, and of course, to Kevin and Natty. Thank you so much, guys. Have a great weekend, what’s left of it, and I’ll see you all again soon.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Thank you.

 

Natty: Cheers.

 

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Mark Collett
3 months ago
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Prussian Blue
3 months ago
a 3 minute intro. record time.

Motus Populus
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
You will never create a state for white people if you don’t name the Jews. You cannot solve the problem if you do not name the problem. That simple.

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@PaganBear
3 months ago
I think we have to stop acting like suckers, they are not that smart at all, Dr Duke broke that down well.

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@HansLanser
3 months ago
It’s not that they are smarter, its that they are hyper ethno centric, Jewishness means more to them than anything. They are consciously ethno centric, which puts them at a clear advantage at all rivals who are not.

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@Forgotten.Patriot
3 months ago
Exactly! They are only master manipulators. Thats why we call them parasites.

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IJustWannaComment
3 months ago
No book has ever done so much to change my view of the world.

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@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
Einstein wasn’t even a genius, he was a plagiarist.

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
And if they can’t control something, they want to destroy it (especially the white race)

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Yogus!
3 months ago
I feel that’s the common thread of all evil peoples. Not to take away from your point.

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@Roxy_Stellar
12 days ago
so… they envy our self-deprecative-destructive blue-eyed empathy thread or just enjoy exploiting that anyhow

JamesL
3 months ago
excellent discussion, thanks all

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Earthling Carl 1
3 months ago
40:00
– Blackpilled has a great set of streams analysing the “Americans caused the Holocaust” documentary.

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@Degenatron
3 months ago
K Mac is a masterclass! Thanks for getting him on!

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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
Yes Home schooling is necessary

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@PaganBear
3 months ago
Yet white people keep getting expensive cable packages, have nothing but basic and if you can afford it just have phone and internet. Stop giving them so much money, don’t participate in the ratings..etc.

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King Tut
3 months ago
why the fuk r u paying for cable at all? youre paying them to socially engineer you.

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Earthling Carl 1
3 months ago
Only read it one time myself, won’t again as the endless smug quotes from (((them))) are too infuriating. Congrats to MacDonald for writing a masterpiece though.

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@mikey2363
3 months ago
In regards to the Jewish issue of flooding Western countries with lower IQ peoples whereby it might bite them in the arse in a few decades because of lack of development etc – why do you think there’s a massive push for Artificial Intelligence. That’s the key to ridding the White race forever for the Jews.

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@Nelis
3 months ago
Nobel prizes are rife with jewish nepotism

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@PaganBear
3 months ago
We also have 10’s of millions of people who worship Jews as if they were Jesus himself. This is a huge problem.

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0KT0BER
3 months ago
They used cherry picked data to fabricate the IQ disparity

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@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
Child care was always a jew scheme. They ripped children away from their mothers to be raised be a shabbos goy, or even a jew

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HarambeTheWhite
3 months ago
the US, UK, and Israel spy on everyone over the internet so the term “digital gulag” is actually accurate

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@PaganBear
3 months ago
We have to work toward 1850’s homesteading life but with solar for powering pumps, lights and internet. If we did this there would be a collapse in the parasites power.

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@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
They are human farmers, and seek to cull the difficult livestock. This is one of the reasons (there are others) that they attack the european people as they do

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tszymk77
3 months ago
jews

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Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
STOP COMPLYING

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Callaghan
3 months ago
WPWW

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@Vivec
3 months ago
Interesting stream thank you

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thoughts
3 months ago
Appreciate shows like this. These men are brave to talk and even give their thoughts publicly. Hosts love the truth.

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Archie
3 months ago
Yes, Obama was given the prize to make us feel that he did good.

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Archie
3 months ago
Prizes can be subjective like rating the value of modern art. A can of sheite has sold for $300,000.

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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@PaganBear
The Irony of what the Churches have become is nauseating

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Goði Lane
3 months ago
They became what they were always meant to be. Institutions for the enslavement of the gentile. Polydoros of Sparta said it best…
“If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy’s religion, you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy, you are destroyed.”

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@Vivec
3 months ago
Its the only way i see, balkanisation and insulating our political system to make sure subversive elements arent injected in the area chosen.

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@Horatius
3 months ago
vast majority of whites want to be murdered by non whites and enslaved it seems. truly bizarre

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Can you really negotiate with a people like that?

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@Horatius
3 months ago
vast majority of whites deny they are victims at all. some sort of false delusional pride. been being victimized for decades

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thoughts
3 months ago
good point

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Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
screaming out in pain whilst striking us…

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@david_smith
3 months ago
Islam and Judaism are supremacist religions, they should never have been welcomed by any out group.

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Unconventional Wisdom
3 months ago
i basically saw the high iq myth busted. they sampled from private school and put forth their highest as if it was a random selection. they are no higher than 105 on average.

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Archie
3 months ago
@Yuno_Hu
They wont want to leave the West. China is much more tactical at getting foreigners to leave China.

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thoughts
3 months ago
Oh its hell in the work place Highly. the corporate enemy. Not being associated with the ADL agenda makes it hard to eat out, work, travel, buy gas, be with a lady ect… Happy people in countries where the white population in high do not experience this..

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Google Archipelago: The Digital Gulag and the Simulation of Freedom
https://tinyurl.com/uwecybhu

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Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
racism is one thing GENOCIDE is another

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@GaelicNord
3 months ago
jews have unfortunately been successful in imposing their particular definition of morality upon White people. Their definition of morality is simply defined as follows : What is good for jews, is whats morally good. Whats good for non-jews is whats immoral.
If White people had this racially centered sense of morality then we’d be in a much better place imo.
Theres nothing wrong with putting our own race first and foremost and also excluding racial strangers from the circumference / diameter of our moral compass totally.

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@GaelicNord
3 months ago
It is Not possible for the jew to live in any kind of harmony with other races because they are Literally the antithesis, antithetical to what a race of people are.
Theyre not a race, theyre all mixed race, theyve mixed with every group of people thats ever made the mistake to have hosted them over the millennia.
The jew is the anti-race.
Ergo why they hate all racially homogonous groups of people like the White European race.

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gurugeorge
3 months ago
One of the most important books written in recent decades. It crystallized and clarified thoughts and suspicions I’d been having myself up to that point, and tied in with a lot of the evolutionary biology/psychology stuff I’d been investigating just prior to reading it.
When people talk about Jewish over-representation, one common response is, “OK, but why does it matter?” This book explores why it matters.

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@JohnConnor
3 months ago
This is the problem with Nationalists, they don’t have the stomach to solve problems completely and there is only one way in nature to do that permanently.

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@PaganBear
3 months ago
o/

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@Nelis
3 months ago
@Archie.Bunker
Yes it’s the same with oscars and the music industry

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
the same guilt tricks don’t work with non-whites

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Callaghan
3 months ago
#WHITESUNITEWORLDWIDE#

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thoughts
3 months ago
The show is bringing up tough subjects.. Good community leadership. Doing right when it hurts. Thanks PWR

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3 months ago
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@W_Poe_White
3 months ago
That’s Jonathan Greenblatt’s great-great-great-grandfather Nosferatu Greenblatt looking over his shoulder to see if there were any Goyim around to see what he was about to do.

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Archie
3 months ago
Flesh eating plants are predators

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@dnvqcdmrw
3 months ago
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( ITW )
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(# 1)


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” PASSING OF GREAT WHITE ✞ RACE ” by Madison ✞GRANT ©

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ThinRedLine
3 months ago
Damn I missed this one

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@two-fifty
3 months ago
hows my bros in the white positive sphere doin? lol

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@Nelis
3 months ago
Bankman Fraud

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@PaganBear
3 months ago
It can’t be just brainwashing, I think we have so many spiteful mutants they are ripe for culling. They have no survival instinct.

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@Horatius
3 months ago
whites are the ones being victimized. whites have to stop allowing it

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Immigration Act of 1924
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

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@bananen
3 months ago
SBFs grandad was Jewsih Freemason, member of B’nai B’rith masonic order

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@bananen
3 months ago
The Jews and Modern Capitalism (1913) by Werner Sombart
Freemasonry and Judaism: Secret Powers Behind Revolution (1929) by Vicomte Leon De Poncins
International Jew By Henry Ford

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@bananen
3 months ago
Jews owned media in US long before WW2, Henry Ford talks about it his book.

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@dnvqcdmrw
3 months ago
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” THE ((( ☭ ︎ JEW ︎ ☭ ))) PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION | PDF ” by Victor ✞ MARSDEN ©

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( PDF )
” THE BAD WAR | PDF ” by Mike ✞ KING ©

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( PDF )

Unconditional Hatred

RH – D-Day, the Myth of German War Guilt and Dwight D. Eisenhower

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( PDF )

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@dnvqcdmrw
3 months ago
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( BLACK GUARD DESTROYED BY WHITE POWER a.k.a Thomas SEWELL # 1 )

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@Thomas_Sewell

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Redpill Rundown
3 months ago
I don’t normally shill but I have a video summarizing the book here if anyone’s interested:

Though I highly recommend purchasing your own copy and supporting both Mark and Dr. MacDonald.

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King Tut
3 months ago
can listen to Kevin talk for hours, never get bored once.

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Soul of the Lost
3 months ago
Jason Canon? does anyone have a link to his stuff Dr. MacDonald is talking about? This is said at
17:00

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@HansLanser
3 months ago
Paradoxically, Jews NEED anti semitism for reasons various. First it provides a great victim narrative. Secondly, it’s a means to shut down any critique or examination of Jewish power. Third, its intended as a way to demonise non-Jews. Lastly, anti semitism ensures that Jews never truly assimilated, because had they truly assimilated, the fear was they would breed themselves out of existence, and the whole Jewish narrative, customs etc, it would have no future meaning.

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ThinRedLine
3 months ago
I think it is not just that the jews don’t trust other peoples or even of their feeling of superiority towards other groups of peoples.
I think the main reason is survival The Rabbis found out, maybe a few hundred years after the expulsion from Israel and there were scattered Jewish communities all over the Mediterranean area that those communities who had good relations with their host populations mixed into these host populations and soon disappeared and those who came in to conflict with the host population and became persecuted became more Jewish and so the Rabbis learned that in order for the Jewish people to survive they have to be in conflict with the host population at least from time to time and so the big Jews behave in such a way in order for this conflict to happen. In this way the Jews have constructed an antifragile system where if you don´t oppose them they will grow in wealth and power and if you do oppose them their ethnocentrism and sense of identity will grow. The ordinary Jew is not aware of this though and I think it could be very beneficial to us (and the Jews ) if we could make them aware of this

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@Monad
3 months ago
looks like kevin is moving to alaska? i made the move a couple years ago. it’s a terrible place full of the most humorless people i’ve met in my life.

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@Monad
3 months ago
i will watch this because i forsee no women yapping in my ear.

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@Monad
3 months ago
damn aunt sally joined. really kills the vibe. all-star guest, though.

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@HerrNordstorm
3 months ago
Thx Mark, Kevin and Natty for a awesome pod. Kevins book The Culture of Critique is a must in every nationalists bookshelf. (I have 2).

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Follow Dr Kevin MacDonald
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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Separation and Its Discontents, Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/2mtzhhw6

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
A People That Shall Dwell Alone, Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/3ta9p5mb

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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Today’s book, The Culture of Critique, by Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/bpazs85t
Kevin MacDonald’s latest book, Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition
https://tinyurl.com/yj3ewc7a

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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Nelis
“Bob Dylan” bought, I mean won the Nobel Literature Prize.

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@Vivec
3 months ago
Its never enough for them, they even had to create their own nobel prize award just for jews.

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thoughts
3 months ago
@Yuno_Hu
it sure will be less expensive

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@Yuno_Hu
3 months ago
only solution that avoids violence

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Archie
3 months ago
I know of a Jewess that worked in an international high school in Shanghai. She was the head of mathematics. She had a black b/f in Shanghai & a poster of the Black Panthers on her classroom wall. She said that IQ tests are designed by White supremacists.

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@PaganBear
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
All this is being done to us with our funding, but when you try to explain this to nationalists many of them don’t want to hear it. There is no voting our way out of this, taking the money and production away is the only hope.

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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
It’s to program the children into the intended demographic change and ‘normalise” it

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@AlbionForever
3 months ago
it’s an ethnic imperative.

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Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
we are to be micromanaged hahaha

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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
Nature is gross. I am so glad I am not part of it

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@mikeenochcat
3 months ago
he donated millions to republicans too

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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
Yep

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@nistanista
2 months ago
Surprisingly naive views
around 1 hour 20 minutes from beginning (topic/question – why are Jews unwilling to forge more symbiotic relationship with Gentiles).
The supposed fear of antisemitism or Nazis/White Nationalism is just another “Shtick” (gimmick/scheme … part of the Group Evolutionary strategy).
Resentment and hostility they feel toward Europeans is primarily based on what Winston Churchill (accurately imo) referred to as “envious malevolence ” ( in his 1920 Article). A very dangerous and destructive motivation / driving force indeed.

Asadafa
3 months ago
Kevin should try selling all of his books through Antelope Hill Publishing.

@HansLanser
3 months ago
@MarkCollett
I’d like to address your v good question about Jews importing lots of Muslims to Europe, and how this also harms them. This isn’ some error on their part. Jews are prepared to sacrifice some Jews for a bigger gain in the long term. Moreover, the ultimate goal of Jews is to have ALL Jews gathered together in (an extended) Israel.
If that means having to literally terrorise all the ‘little Jews’ into doing it, so be it as far as they’re concerned.
In fact, there used to be a large number of Jews in Iraq until Mossad conceived terrorist attacks spooked them into moving to Israel. They want ALL Jews to ultimately live in a 100% Jewish ethno state, and they want that in an Israel that’ many times larger than right now.
Jewish ‘elites’ consider all land between the Nile and the Euphrates to belong to the Jews. Thats what they have ultimately earmarked as their Jewish paradise, on which all Jews would live, and Jews would control a de facto World Gov from Jerusalem.
Besides, Jews NEED anti semitism in any form, even if it means inventing it or importing it. They thrive on it. So, if some Arab and Muslim immigrants happen to target some Jews in Europe, then Jews still get to kvetch about anti semitism, then they can scoop up extra grants and funds, all to protect them.
The idea to populate Europe with non-whites didn’t start in the 60’s. It’ a centuries old plan.
They specifically want a large influx of Muslims and Arabs, and they then wish to encourage casual and normative, such that in time, the ‘new European’ will be a mongrelised race, rootless and without a clear culture.
At the same time, the move will temper the IQ of all majority white lands, ensuring that we are impaired. Jewish leaders, Rabbinical leaders etc, they absolutely hate ALL Europeans, and they will not stop until cultural genocide has been fully conducted upon Europe. They see it as their mission.
They have the motive, the means, and the will
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Natty
3 months ago
Foundational text for any person who began to learn about the machinations of ZOG around 2014-16, almost every meme, every infographic and every right wing intellectual has been educated in some way by what is written in these pages

@HansLanser
3 months ago
It’s a good book and I like KM. While it is partly an evolved strategy, it’s also very much a case of them following clear instructions set out by their scribes and philosophers, esp those in the Talmud. In it, Jews are instructed to keep many of their views
to themselves, and at least fake civility to the host people, why? Because doing so, at that time, was good for the Jews. Jewish scribes knew that if Jews openly practiced their norms in front of the gentiles, that they would be driven out. Secrecy was key as was deception. Of course, Jews being Jews, they often ended up creating antipathy anyway and would be driven out. However, the Talmud is very clear that Jews should endeavour to indulge in secrecy and fake civility, until when? Until Israel was restored and was ‘made mighty’. At that exact point, all pretence no longer applied, and Jews could then openly and brazenly engage in their practices, without fear of real retribution.

dr. rosenpenis
3 months ago
jews do not have creative intelligence. they have only language and symbolic intelligence. they produce nothing. invent nothing. they only hypersymbolize and fuck with symbols. stop saying jews are smart. they aren’t. only an oppressed people says “they are smart therefore they deserve to oppress me”. nah. jews are smart in language games, but can’t produce shit.

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@bananen
3 months ago
They invented stock market

Soul of the Lost
3 months ago
Is Dr. MacDonald not wanting to dox himself ? lol

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@AlbionForever
3 months ago
night all

@david_smith
3 months ago
It was mostly in Melbourne, not Australia

@Nelis
3 months ago
:waving_hand: :ok_hand:

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Follow Tea Time with Sam and Laura
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3 months ago
Follow Mark Collett
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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
o/

@dh
3 months ago
cheers everyoneee

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Gotta run. Thanks folks. Have a great night.

SPLASH
3 months ago
Thank you

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Today’s book, The Culture of Critique, by Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/bpazs85t

SPLASH
3 months ago
Where do I get a hardcover copy of this book?

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
o7

@david_smith
3 months ago
high*

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@Meep
Even his refrigeration patent, it was an adaption of patents that others had submitted to the patent office he worked at. Oh how Jewish of him.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Grandma Towler’s Cakes & Bakes is now available for pre-order!
https://www.claymorebooks.co.uk/product/grandma-towlers-cakes-and-bakes/

@david_smith
3 months ago
@Carlota
If they were not IQ they wouldn’t be dangerous.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
List of Jewish Nobel laureates
https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

@Meep
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
true

@Vivec
3 months ago
@UnconventionalWisdom
@LeatherApronClub
had a good video on that subject.

thoughts
3 months ago
Life is tough so our people just mentally hide from reality, Sad people do not value sprite of truth. Praise to brave men

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
He was a massive Zionist as well.

Archie
3 months ago
@Nelis
My point was that we nominate the Jews to get the prizes just to get society to feel good about them. It is like that horribly ugly, black man that just won Miss America.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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Archie
3 months ago
Yes. Mark’s point that intelligent and powerful people send their children to learn history, politics and other fields that keep them in power b/c going into science & engineering just turns the smart child into a slave.

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
^

@david_smith
3 months ago
@Carlota
They are easier to see and don’t have high IQ compared to Jews or whites (when you are looking at high IQ, not average).

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
exactly, and then add to that replacement migration (literally modern day slave trading) how can one not conclude the jews are anything other at war with us, bar being pure. fucking. evil.

@PaganBear
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
Sadly today they are centers of multiracialism and philo-semitism.

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@PajotheCelt
Hey ! I trademarked ‘God” !

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
*worked

Unconventional Wisdom
3 months ago
it’s a focused effort.

@PaganBear
3 months ago
if you brain an average IQ person to be deceptive their whole lives they will be much better than the average person at screwing people over.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Mark Collett, Dr Edward Dutton interviews Dr David Duke

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@PaganBear
The Christian Churches work fine up until 150 years ago.

thoughts
3 months ago
I like imaginary white flighting into a better world. Education is a real mind f####

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
Yes and the subsequent degradation of economics and lifestyles neuters any easy return.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Kevin MacDonald, Sam Bankman-Fried and the FTX Collapse

Sam Bankman-Fried and the FTX Collapse: A Family Affair

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
What coincidences with the Bankman frieds !

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Richard Lynn, The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement
https://tinyurl.com/mr4yt7xs

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
To add to the childcare scam, they ripped mothers from the home and chained them to a desk and told them they are free

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
^

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Greg Johnson & Kevin MacDonald Discuss the Midterm Elections

Greg Johnson & Kevin MacDonald Discuss the Midterm Elections on The Political Cesspool

@PaganBear
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
We are not going to get those things back, they will never allow it, we can’t even have a fair election. Homeschool is what we have to do, there are associations.

HarambeTheWhite
3 months ago
way to torture her on her birthday

thoughts
3 months ago
Being scared and not knowing why. or no work or peace anywhere on earth

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
Acca pela

MajesticCasual
3 months ago
That was fun and brilliant they were willing to do it

@SerenaJB
3 months ago
That’s the worst version I’ve ever heard

HarambeTheWhite
3 months ago
stop aaaaa

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@PaganBear
I believe the ‘Education’ institutions from Academia down to child care have been ruined. Gaining back these to a sane position is the major need from my analysis.

@DienekesGhost
3 months ago
Happy Birthday!! to you!!

@Vivec
3 months ago
@PaganBear
Not to seem to pessimistic ofc just wondering what you had in mind.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Ugh

thoughts
3 months ago
pay pay and pay more.. All we want as working class white men is to just pay our bills and life in peace. We do not care who is in charge of the world or how much money they have

@PaganBear
3 months ago
@Vivec
yes but a lot less, that is the idea.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
oh god

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Follow Saint Harrison
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@Vivec
3 months ago
Its only a matter of time before they get to the rural areas and tax the living hell out of them isnt it ?

@Vivec
3 months ago
@PaganBear
You’ll still have to pay taxes though.

@PaganBear
3 months ago
@Vivec
We have no choice, if it doesn’t happen be ready for the gulag.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
They’re all for free speech until they ascend to the top and then they kick out the ladder behind them.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
vicious knids an oompa loompas never the twain shall meet

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@PaganBear
That would only work if we stop the Jew farming us and importing millions/billions of new livestock into our countries.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
even mr wonka had seperate rooms

@Vivec
3 months ago
@PaganBear
Its understood , its just not really feasible. For anyone who owns anything, you cant just stop paying (outside of some areas in the US where you can). Living in poverty and stop paying into the system would work in a way, unless you have something else in mind.

@Yuno_Hu
3 months ago
pay them to leave

@dh
3 months ago
Even if they stopped the immigration though, the birth rates would carry on the replacement

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Today’s book, The Culture of Critique, by Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/bpazs85t

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
I should have included modern atheism in my last comment

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
Islam and Christianity are Jew created religions used to divide and conquer the goyim.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
they want us to attack them so they can have a final excuse for what they have planned

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
a lot of the Zionists support that because it encourages more Jews to move to Israel.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
thats why the acceleration with white destruction

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
I saw footage of Muslim migrants in Berlin throwing up romans

Archie
3 months ago
Some lefty Jews really believe that IQ tests are false and that there is no difference between intelligence among races

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
its says that when we nearly destroy israel, their god will come and save them.

Unknown Californian
3 months ago
@MarkCollett
They are playing the LONG game. They know civilizations rise and fall. They were there when Rome fell and when the Spanish lost their empire. They know another will replace it

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@Stan1
How have they shafted LBRY/Odysee? Just asking.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
they’ve made lots of mistakes over the past few years lol

@Stan1
3 months ago
300
LBRY/Odyssey have been totally shafted by (((them))) but here’s 300 tokens for what it’s worth.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@PaganBear
It’s disappointing. I have tried to explain they are funding this shit

@Stan1
3 months ago
LBRY/Odyssey have been totally shafted by (((them))) but here’s 300 tokens for what it’s worth.

Archie
3 months ago
I believe that it was on a Jewish website like Tablet that has an article that askes “Are the Chinese the new Jew?” in reference to their over-representation in universities thus replacing the Jew that seems to be less ambitious these days. Jews have lost their hunger for success.

wayha
3 months ago
1B. V 60M maybe a little reason!!!!

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
adverts full of “Black man, blonde woman”

Archie
3 months ago
@MarkCollett
I hope that you caught that I used “PWR” to mean “power.” Sorry for any confusion.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Ron Unz, The Myth of American Meritocracy
https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

Archie
3 months ago
Northern latitude people compete against southern latitude people b/c we like their weather and bananas and they like our high civilizaion.

Unknown Californian
3 months ago
Or deprived to say it more nicely

Unknown Californian
3 months ago
@MarkCollett
I meant to say if they were robbed of their war chest… would White retake them

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
We’e outliers that’s for sure, and I wouldn’t have it any other way

@Nelis
3 months ago
Clear them out

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
Most people seek comfort over conflict. The people here are not most people.

HarambeTheWhite
3 months ago
name the poooo

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Follow Dr Kevin MacDonald
The Occidental Observer

Home

Twitter
Tweets by TOOEdit
Website
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
We shall see, I am not optimistic as the vast vast vat majority of people are programmed by the electric Jew (TV), but yes things are getting better and why they are in a panic to control the internet.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
David Sloan Wilson (American evolutionary biologist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sloan_Wilson

The Wandering Shrew
3 months ago
Socrates said, “Make a woman a man’s equal she then become his superior”. Same with J’s…

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
proverbs 1-11

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
It’s Bullying behaviour. And when good people start to realise and act things will (and are) change

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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HarambeTheWhite
3 months ago
digital gulag

HarambeTheWhite
3 months ago
I believe it was max kaiser who coined the phrase

Archie
3 months ago
I think that what scares Jews isn’t another holocaust but the loss of power over the West that insures the preservation of Israel.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
Yeah, as master and slave, farmer and livestock, Jew and Goyim. Fuck that. and when we have these crazy ideas of fairness and freedom, yeah they don’t want livestock like that.

@PaganBear
3 months ago
and real gulags, they put anti vaxxers in camps

@Nelis
3 months ago
We’re in it right now lol

Archie
3 months ago
CNN did interviewed the comedian named Judy Gold about Chappelle’s SNL skit. She said some things that Chappelle said made her unconfortable. She didn’t say what they were but it probably is that the Jews do have the power and influence to destroy people.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
Musk standing up to Greenblatt was a real eye opener.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
firing squad a bit worrying

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
The official Patriotic Alternative website
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk
Patriotic Alternative Official on Telegram
https://t.me/PatrioticAlternativeOfficial

https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/donations
– PA needs financial support to get us onto the next level.

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
“CoExist”

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
prison lol

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
oh dear its gonna get messy lol

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
yes when you tell them NO

@david_smith
3 months ago
Candiru vs. cleaner wrasse

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
the goyim know

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
indeed

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
*apt

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
World domination

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
100%

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
The tongue being removed is an apy analogy

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
It’s arguably a genetic compulsion too

Unknown Californian
3 months ago
aggressive mimicry, a form of similarity in which a predator or parasite gains an advantage by its resemblance to a third party. This model may be the prey (or host) species itself, or it may be a species that the prey does not regard as threatening.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Peaceful symbiosis? Haha :rofl:

Archie
3 months ago
Jews suppress the White collective immune system

Unknown Californian
3 months ago
Let’s not forget Aggressive Mimicry
https://www.britannica.com/science/aggressive-mimicry

@Nelis
3 months ago
The fish might have something to say about that

Unknown Californian
3 months ago
Let’s not forget Aggresive Mimicry

@david_smith
3 months ago
cleaner wrasse \

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
“When it’s Italians it’s the mafia. When it’s black it’s called a gang. But when it’s Jews, it’s called a coincidence.” ~ Dave Chappelle

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@Horatius
Yes and then scapegoated them through Hollywood propaganda.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
crypto is a test for cdc lol goys

@Horatius
3 months ago
Jews created the American Italian mafia and helped them greatly over their reign

Archie
3 months ago
@mikeenochcat
Donating to Republicans besides DemonRats is a form of “double insurance” so that he isn’t persecuted and also can influence changing government policy on crypto.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
^

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
cohencidence

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
“Just like a mafia” – a coincidence and you should never mention it.

Archie
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
True. That is because the victimhood strategy is used by people and groups that really can’t contribute without extortion and blackmale.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@MarkCollett
Bankman-Fried was the number 2 donor of the Democrat Party behind George Soros
https://www.livemint.com/market/cryptocurrency/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-team-among-top-political-donors-before-bankruptcy-11669031663161.html

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@JohanFredrickson1290
Some people are happiest when they are complaining they are suffering and a victim

Archie
3 months ago
Jewish altruism serves their own needs just like Bill Gate’s altruism.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
hobby*

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
misery seems like a hobbie

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
“Racism for me, but not for thee”

Archie
3 months ago
What Dr MacDonald is saying right now is the annoying propoganda I hear from the late, soft spoken Jonathan Sacks. He makes me ill to my stomach.

@Vivec
3 months ago
oppressing / getting rid of.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Separation and Its Discontents, Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/2mtzhhw6

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
whiskey and blankets, for the goy

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Tikkun olam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_olam

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
No mention of the Pyramids in The ‘Bible’ ? What else is missing ?

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Tommy Robinson and Peter Mcloughlin, Mohammed’s Koran: Why Muslims Kill For Islam
https://tinyurl.com/h2cuvc84

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
Goes back to Ancient Egypt !

Archie
3 months ago
@MarkCollett
In my Odysee tip I used PWR to mean “power”

@Diogenes
3 months ago
@Archie.Bunker
just give them a bottle of whiskey and a blanket

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
jihad handbook for jews

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
=zohar

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
haddith

Archie
3 months ago
Answer: Hide his welfare cheque in his workboots.

Motus Populus
3 months ago
@WanderingTheRuins
I just thought of the metaphor but it has been used in various ways to describe Jews.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
torah

Archie
3 months ago
How do you starve a red Indian?

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
talmud

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
zohar

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Today’s book, The Culture of Critique, by Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/fzu29dps

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
noice

Scattershell
3 months ago
tax collectors

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
bacteria is the killer

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@Archie.Bunker
Thank you for the head’s up

@Yuno_Hu
3 months ago
$10.00
Are you and Woes mates again? Any plans to do Milleniyule this year? UK needs RW solidarity now more than ever methinks.

Archie
3 months ago
Bartonella, borellia and many other micro-organism parasites can suppress the hosts immune system thus allowing normally weak infections become active. The jab allows dormant parasites and viruses to become active.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
v-matt gene destruction

Motus Populus
3 months ago
Imagine I had mould spreading across my house. I invite a friend to the house to discuss possible ways to clean the house. “You need to get rid of the mould” the friend says. “Did you just blame the mould? Are you saying you want to attack all mould regardless of where it comes from? How dare you!”.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
“Let us do the thinking goy”

@david_smith
3 months ago
Toxoplasmosis and aids

Archie
3 months ago
Toxoplsma gondi, bartonella (cat scratch fever), borellia bergdorferi (Lyme Disease(, etc.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@JohanFredrickson1290
He’s the Rothchilds bitch. that’s for sure

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
king charles is of draculas bloodline apparently …..

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Classic Stonetoss comic on the “Build your own” mentality
https://stonetoss.com/comic/build-big/

@Meep
3 months ago
@MotusPopulus
100% true

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
Ask about witches too – they wear a 12 century judenhut, ugly and have hooked noses.

@Vivec
3 months ago
^

@Nelis
3 months ago
Nosferatu in the old movie is certainly a stereotypical jew

Archie
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
I use BitSlide. It is very convenient and fast. I only use Brave to watch postings on Odysee and it is much less convenient so I don’t watch much that is posted on Odysee. A compact and fast phone app that has a good UI makes a big difference.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@Scattershell
they already did, to get rid of that Morales guy, who was anti-banksters.

@Vivec
3 months ago
They certainly look the part of the vampire

Scattershell
3 months ago
They’d be more likely to instigate some “revolution”.
@AlbionForever

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@Carlota
yeah, his tirade on white women was bizarre. all of that vitriol against half of our people, yet he goes mad over people “naming them”. total wrongun.

@PaganBear
3 months ago
@Archie.Bunker
Considering the situation we are in I would rather have Kanye.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
no one elected anyone , they were put in place by the WEF

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
“Start your own bank” – Worked out well for Gaddafi

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@AlbionForever
3 months ago
for it’s lithium reserves?

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
Will ZOG invade Bolivia?

0KT0BER
3 months ago
Starlink buying him some breathing room perhaps

Archie
3 months ago
@PaganBear
Electing inexperienced, low IQ celebraties is a major embarrassment for the West. Electing a celerity has happened in the Philippines. A celebrity in Russia also is becoming a popular, political face.

Scattershell
3 months ago
Musk should tweet the story of Leo Frank

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
create the problem, then solve the problem hahaha red star blue star

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
App store blockading

@Diogenes
3 months ago
ye definitely not all there as the great Mr. McDonald has pointed, like the reference to poor impulse control too. Mr. McDonald is one of the tallest trees in our forest.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
The ADL threatened Elon publicly on twitter, I couldn’t believe it.
Nice business you have there
Be a real shame if it were to go bankrupt

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
haha, donating to ADL and SPLC? :rofl:

Motus Populus
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
People like Fuentes and Jason Kohne are cut from the same cloth. They are grifters who complain about potential rivals whenever they think their cult-like status is threatened which tends to be good faith anti-semitic political organisations that actually want to create a NS state.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
They complain about Musk, but still drive his cars LMAO

@PaganBear
3 months ago
If Kanye won we would be close to becoming just like Idiocracy.
More

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
I already gave a donation but thank You

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
adl dont need twitter pmsfl they got fbi and most goverments lol silly goys

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
The left want to protest outside Tesla car showrooms now lmao

Archie
3 months ago
Musk will eventually reinstate Alex Jones. Musk just has too much on his hands right now.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Anti-Defamation League
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League
Southern Poverty Law Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
I was referring to bringing along an uninvited guest to Mara Lago but yes
@Archie.Bunker

Archie
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
Social etiquette was changed by anonymity on the Internet. Even before the Internet the left did like to poop in their own bed and get violent.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
twitter release valve sponsored by who i wonder

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
Mark Potok at the SPLC has a chart counting down the days until whites are a minority.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
The ADL hates us all, couldn’t believe it when they attacks someone like myself, a mere heckler in the cheap seats

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
Nice lol

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
Got retweeted by Kevin twice back in the day, was an honour.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@MotusPopulus
fascinating how he seems to hold more criticism for white women then Js, isn’t it?

Archie
3 months ago
Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro met with Netanyahu. The left (and some on the right) hate Netanyahu. Nobody will vote for Schapiro now.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Louis Farrakhan (U.S. Nation of Islam)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

@Yuno_Hu
3 months ago
NF > DJT

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
Social etiquette isn’t what it used to be

Motus Populus
3 months ago
Nick Fuentes is a bad actor, an incel who praises rap music and is an anti-social element. Avoid.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
Neither kanye or west spoke of Jews running the salve trade, I have speculations as to why that is…..

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@0KT0BER
I should expect no less

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
^^^^

0KT0BER
3 months ago
Theyre going to plough ahead no matter the damage Reed

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
nope

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Have we passed Peak Jew? Or the period of peak Jewish power?

@Yuno_Hu
3 months ago
cant JO for 8rs at a stretch

@Yuno_Hu
3 months ago
gaming by far

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
bankmans mr’s looks greasier than a bag of eels in baby oil…

Archie
3 months ago
@PaganBear
What takes up more energy: porn consumption or on-line gaming?

Motus Populus
3 months ago
@Carlota
If he wanted to simply “save his channel” or “avoid being fired from his job” he did not need to embark on a 20-minute rant attacking somebody for asking him about Jewish topic avoidance. He’s a bad actor. Hail NJP and hail PA.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Today’s book, The Culture of Critique, by Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/fzu29dps

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
If only they would clamp down on the banks…

@PaganBear
3 months ago
I hate how they attack how much power crypto mining takes when gaming is like 15 times as much or more.

Archie
3 months ago
I saw an interview of Bankman and his girlfriend. They both were very ignorant, incompetent and in way over their head. They are low, human capital.

@Vivec
3 months ago
So he could steal money without alerting the investors.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
sam the one man reset

@Vivec
3 months ago
He also built in a backdoor in his system to siphon money out of the main company. It was all planned from the start.

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
aah its an l lol

@Merk
3 months ago
test/

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Help this channel by hitting the icon on the left side of this page for a like!

@Merk
3 months ago
test

Non Generic Nationalist
3 months ago
109 over 1030 times carlotta

Motus Populus
3 months ago
Conte, for his part, spent most of that time trying to hold back laughter at Jason’s Dunning-Kruger.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Bankman-Fried’s cypto adventure is called the FTX exchange

Link Roland
3 months ago
The bankman has been fried.

Motus Populus
3 months ago
@Carlota
The last vitriol I saw was his stream with Greg Conte in-which he spent the entire segment on Pelosi’s visit to China whining about white women with utterly irrelevant non-sequiturs.

Archie
3 months ago
Bankman-Fried obviously is benefiting from nepotism. His donations to the Republicans and DemonRats is a form of “double insurance.”

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Sam Bankman-Fried
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried

@PaganBear
3 months ago
@WanderingTheRuins
They need people to fix those robots, Chinese infrastructure is garbage and their country is a shithole..india too. Imagine a world wide china/India? What a hole, they won’t pay for blacks either.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Kevin MacDonald’s latest book, Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition
https://tinyurl.com/yj3ewc7a

@PaganBear
3 months ago
Without white people Jews will be in serious trouble in a brown world. Most of the world will be third world and starving.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@Archie.Bunker
My pleasure.

Archie
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
Thanks for the Burns shockumentary propaganda review. I’ve been meaning to watch the shockumentary. I still have not watched Shindler’s List and really don’t want to.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
haha, fully weaponised autism

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
Very good Point Natty

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
the only thing still being checked at the US borders is your vaxx status it seems.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Alejandro Mayorkas, United States Secretary of Homeland Security
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Mayorkas

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
we are no longer a nation of laws

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
Yeah his autism is worse than mine

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@Chuck_Sneedly
Exactly, well put.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
Black Pilled did a 4-part series! Lol

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
just like BLM is

Archie
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
don’t forget that the surrounding weather climate & surrounding nations and geography also effect genetics and culture. It really sucks being landlocked & surrounded by nations of arseholes.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
Devon does some bloody good work.

@Carlota
3 months ago
Motus Populus So many times… recently on PWR but the one you can easily find is his “review” of Meloni’s election victory. He doesn’t miss a chance to denigrate white women while never ever criticize the people who really harm us…

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Black Pilled’s review of Ken Burns documentary U.S. and the Holocaust

Nordic Warrior
3 months ago
lol

@Vivec
3 months ago
lol

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
haha

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
“back when I rapped in high school…”

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
“tactical whiteness”

Archie
3 months ago
Shape shifting

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
Assimulate? What are they the fucking borg? Furthermore, such a concept is nonsense. Genetics defines culture, behaviour etc.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
They consider assimilation a personal affront.

Archie
3 months ago
Canada’s immigration policy refused to admit the MS St. Louis, a German ocean liner carrying refugees. Early in 1939 an unidentified immigration agent was asked how many Jews would be allowed in Canada after the war. He replied, “None is too many”.

Motus Populus
3 months ago
@Carlota
Could you refer me to one of the videos/streams in-which Jason attacks white women? I want something to directly reference and I am also morbidly curious. I hate these creepy incel types.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@MotusPopulus
Good evening

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
The Jewish sense of entitlement is quite remarkable.

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
ugh, the biggest boomer shabbos goy ever, Ken Burns

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Ken Burns film, The U.S. and the Holocaust
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20863280/?ref_=nm_flmg_t_1_prd

Motus Populus
3 months ago
Good evening all.

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
another great eye opening book on the JQ is EMJ’s The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History

Archie
3 months ago
@Chuck_Sneedly
they hate and fear loosing control over us for many reasons: one is needing the West to protect Isreal.

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
Yes the Humanities have been corrupted.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
The official Patriotic Alternative website:
https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk
Patriotic Alternative Official on Telegram:
https://t.me/PatrioticAlternativeOfficial
Join us at Patriotic Alternative:
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Archie
3 months ago
@Chuck_Sneedly
Sven Longshank’s recent interview of Steve Laws was interesting because Laws said that the police and courts no longer harass him and that MSM now consults with him to verify information about illegal aliens.

@Stan1
3 months ago
If you read the Old Testament, they do feature a fair bit.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
the Boasian model got forced through because his co-ethnics dominated academia.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Two Hundred Years Together
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
“anthropology” is taboo and enforced at the same time

Archie
3 months ago
How much Jewish power is caused by us putting them into positions of power to prove that we don’t discriminate?

@Penswin84
3 months ago
nice shot of Kevin’s hands

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
Oh lol, I kept thinking you may have been refering to baked alaska for some reason.

@Vivec
3 months ago
6m again, they do love their numbers

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
jews are pot stirrers. they cannot leave anything alone. they must meddle and subvert and eff up everything Whites stand for or create

@natehill2020
3 months ago
just joined. why is kmac filming his desk?

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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The Fall of Western Man
http://www.thefallofwesternman.com/

@Vivec
3 months ago
Ungrateful muts

Motus Populus
3 months ago
Jews killed Huey Long.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
For certain Jews, the phrase “When in Rome” is not something they choose to follow

@Stan1
3 months ago
@Chuck_Sneedly
yes, I get that sense to.

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
the America First movement was hugely popular in the 1930s up until the day after the Pearl Harbor false flag. the FBI raided the America First offices on 12-8-41 and toòk their mailing lists

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Today’s book, The Culture of Critique, by Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/fzu29dps

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
The chapter on Boasian anthropology is a real eye opener. it laid the grounds for mass immigration, but also modern civic nationalism.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
:thumbs_up:

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
Thanks so much!! I really appreciate it.

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
It is printed in blue on the note pad in camera shot

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@0KT0BER
Good evening

Scattershell
3 months ago
\o

0KT0BER
3 months ago
evening all

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
nah, McNabb is a good egg. working as an ambulance worker is VERY different from being involved in law enforcement.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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Archie
3 months ago
$5.00
What’s your thoughts on the idea of Jewish over-representation in Nobel Prizes as a virtue signaling effort to remove negative feelings & convince ppl that Jews contribute to society similar to the increased visibility of the LGBT, South Asians (Rishi Sunak) & blacks in positions of PWR & status?

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
Sorry I don’t get the reference “alaska”

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
The article is on Unz as well

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
Oh, Alex McNabb? maybe but Idk. i thought Jason was one too. but cop seems more likely

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Andrew Joyce, Bad Medicine: The Sickening Truth About Britain’s Foreign ‘Doctors’
https://www.unz.com/article/bad-medicine-the-sickening-truth-about-britains-foreign-doctors/?highlight=medical+malpractice

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
“Alaska” looks good for me

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
here’s part 1

Bad Medicine I: The Sickening Truth About Britain’s Foreign ‘Doctors’

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
Indeed and I do not wish to deny the possibility. Unfortunately I tend to stick to the facts we know.

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
I’d like to read that series by Joyce. Where can I find it?

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
EMT? as in an ambulance worker? I think you’re getting confused with that bloke from TDS.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
And we’ve just hit record migration levels in the UK…

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
He seems like a cop. i heard he was an EMT. Cop makes sense bc he was at J6 in DC and never got in any trouble. seems fed-ish

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
sure, but between the high salary, and the constant attacks on real, on the ground nationalists like the NJP and PF, it’s makes you wonder…

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
That’s speculation. Occam’s razor, a Prison Master is a management role, therefore receives management pay.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
another good shout, Joyce’s article on medical malpractice (it’s a series)

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
A fabulous podcast for us is also Tim Kelly’s Our Interesting Times and Powers & Principalities

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
or undercover copper, divisionary agent, who knows… that’s a very high salary…

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
the link for the book says it’s unavailable in the USA

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
Occidental Observer is THE best pro-White website, in terms of research, hands down.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
Prison master.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Portnoy’s Complaint, by Philip Roth
(book)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portnoy%27s_Complaint
(film)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069112/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

Zogberg
3 months ago
Exactly Carlota. He’s toxic.

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
Right that’s what turned me off. plus all the grifting and the marathon live streams. also his pretentious habit of always trying to use obscure vocabulary. it was cringe

Scattershell
3 months ago
Pushed out, you say? Well, let the re-pushing commence.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@Carlota
there’s also the stuff about him being a cop with a $70-80K salary…

Archie
3 months ago
$5.00
What do you think about the refutations against Jewish IQ that say the samples are biased?

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@dinolegovich1964
haha, pretty much

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
:ok_hand:

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
“Intellectuals” can mean Neurosis Pox Carriers ?
@ReedJohnson

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
yes, legend.

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
all of the going free stuff become incredibly televangelist-like from 2020 onwards, and he then started attacking other nationalists. wrongun.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
New York Intellectuals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Intellectuals

Scattershell
3 months ago
One day, Kevin MacDonald will have schools named after him. Statues will be in order.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Andrew Joyce, The SS Empire Windrush: The Jewish Origins of Multicultural Britain

The SS Empire Windrush: The Jewish Origins of Multicultural Britain

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
@AlbionForever
Interesting. I’m not familiar with that. i stopped following him over a year ago

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@ReedJohnson
get the link for Andrew Joyce’s article on the Windrush, if you can.

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
Is Noticing considered an ‘extreme’ sport ?

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Today’s book, The Culture of Critique, by Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://tinyurl.com/fzu29dps

Scattershell
3 months ago
All of a sudden, the air seems a lot fresher over here at PWR. Finally. \o

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
to be honest, it was the self-help cult stuff that I most took issue with.

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
anyway, enough on that topic

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
imagine ranting about anti-whites and their policies and not admitting who’s behind it

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
I first “read” (listened to the audiobook) of Culture of Critique in 2018.

@mikeenochcat
3 months ago
learned this stuff years ago. nice to have a refresher

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
it’s just an attack on whites

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
2006? bloody hell, you’ve been on the ball a long time…

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
Lol exactly. no wonder his Yt channel is still going strong

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
The Frankfurt School were “Freudo-Marxists,” combining Freudian psychology with Marxism

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
yeah, he went on a huge rant slandering huge numbers of nationalists. but I think people were becoming disillusioned with him long before that.

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Frankfurt School
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
@jd81
Wow, weird. That’s not sus at all…

@AlbionForever
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
yes, he has left PWR

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Diversity is basic divide and conquer strategy against the white majority.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 months ago
The topic of this book wouldn’t have suited his style of content anyway

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
Okay, thank you. I think that was a good, smart move.

@jd81
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
yes, he had a giant explosive meltdown about people talking about jews and had to leave

Nordic Warrior
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
YES

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
@VerukAssault
Correct. Wednesday on PWR was his final show.

Veruka Sault’s Goyishe Kopf
3 months ago
i heard NWG is no longer a “regular contributor.” is this true?

@jd81
3 months ago
I love this is the first show after Köhens removal. He is somewhere seething behind that reptilian, Mama JF kidnapping smile.

Nordic Warrior
3 months ago
Evening to all \o

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
Franz Boas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Boas

Steven’s War
3 months ago
“Culture of Critique book review with regular contributor No White Guilt” Something you would never see lol

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
A People That Shall Dwell Alone, Dr Kevin MacDonald
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/182135.A_People_That_Shall_Dwell_Alone?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=wKsX701Hya&rank=5

@dh
3 months ago
alright everyonee

SteveOfWessex
3 months ago
0.1
Evening all 14 o/

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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Link Roland
3 months ago
Does Kevin know we can’t see him, lol?

@SerenaJB
3 months ago
Has Dr MacDonald’s camera slipped?

Chief Moody
3 months ago
Evening troops

@Vivec
3 months ago
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3 months ago
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Anglo-Saxon Celtic Volk Island
3 months ago
Purchased hardcopy from Chapters back in 2017. It’s a 10/10.

@mikeenochcat
3 months ago
why is this book banned?

Rill
3 months ago
o/

@ReedJohnson
3 months ago
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@Stan1
3 months ago
Kevin MacDonald is a great man

@dinolegovich1964
3 months ago
6.02am Sydney Australia. Good Morning All.

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3 months ago
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3 months ago
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3 months ago
Kanye’s fave book after the Bible

@Stan1
3 months ago
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SPLASH
3 months ago
Mark is about to go Death Con 3 on Jewish people

Digital Dagda
3 months ago
Hello all. The Culture of Critique ay? this will be an interesting one…

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3 months ago
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3 months ago
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3 months ago
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3 months ago
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Keith Woods: All right. Welcome, everyone. I’m back. I have a big guest today. A lot of you were really looking forward to this, and a lot of you have requested this before. It’s Ron Unz, the editor publisher of the Unz Review, one of my favourite websites. I often plug it at the end of streams here. You’ll notice when I’m recommending links for people to check out. And yeah, great, great aggregator of stuff that’s kind of broadly in the sort of dissident Right scene, or not even just dissident Right.

 

I mean, they publish people like Michael Hudson and so on. And his own series, American Pravda, is something I would recommend to everyone as well. I’ve been listening to the audio versions of that today where Ron goes over sort of revisionist history, takes on the 20th century as it relates to World War II and the JFK assassination, 9/11, and so on. And yeah, I’m excited to have one. It’s great to have you here, Ron.

 

Ron Unz: Hey, great to be here.

 

Keith Woods: Thank you. So what’s your own background? You don’t seem like the typical kind of person to end up in the position you’re in. It seems like you have a more sort of establishment conservatism background. You’ve been involved in Republican Party politics. So yeah, just like, what’s the general background there of how you made your way to kind of this side of things?

 

Ron Unz: Well, I mean, my original background was actually in theoretical physics.

 

In other words, I originally thought I studied theoretical physics in college, and I thought I’d probably be doing an academic career. And then basically around the mid 1980s, I ended up taking a detour where I took a summer job working on Wall Street. One thing led to another, and I ended up actually spending about the next ten years or 15 years of my life writing financial services software for Wall Street firms. And after about a year or so, I love to set up my own small company. And that really was sort of my main activity for a long period of time like that.

 

Now, I’d always been very interested in public policy and politics, and so after I moved back to California in the early mid 1990s, I ended up becoming involved in some of political campaigns out here. I just was very unhappy about what was going on in the state, and I actually ended up I didn’t expect to win, but I actually ended up challenging Governor Pete Wilson for renomination in his own Republican primary and then got involved in various other issues initiative campaigns, for example. I ran a series of successful initiative campaigns to shift California and the rest of the United States away from teaching immigrant children in their native language, so-called bilingual education towards making sure that they were taught English from the first day of school.

 

In other words, it seemed to me it really made no sense for children when they start school, not to be taught the English language and that ended up really being quite successful.

 

And in fact, bilingual education has largely disappeared around the United States because of those efforts. And I got involved in various other political activities as well. And then probably it was then probably about the mid to late 1990s when I became again actively involved in public policy, again more on the issue of international foreign policy.

 

In other words, I was very concerned about some of the actions we were taking, especially after the 9/11 attacks when we shifted towards the attack on Iraq, the Iraq, War, which I viewed as being probably a disaster.

 

And so I ended up actually providing some financial support to a magazine, the American Conservative, that was set up to oppose the policies of George W Bush with regard to Iraq and a lot of other things like that.

 

And so I ended up serving as a publisher of The American Conservative for about, I guess it was probably about seven or eight years. And then just about a decade ago, I ended up leaving to set up my own website, the Unz Review, which I thought would be a useful venue for my own writings.

 

In other words, at that point, at first I really was thinking more in terms of eventually doing a lot more writing of my own and having a website that I could basically use to publish my material on.

 

And then as it was, I got tied up with some software issues for a few years.

 

And so the website really primarily was providing a location for other writers, alternative media from the Left and the right to really have their articles published. Because in some ways one interesting thing I noticed gradually was that sometimes people, both who considered themselves very much on the Left or on the Right sometimes actually agreed with each other about many things that they might disagree with the more mainstream of the political spectrum on.

 

So it was the sort of thing where I felt by providing an Avenue for both people from the Left-Right libertarian camps to sort of cross-fertilize each other and trade ideas, it would show that sometimes they might agree with each other on things that they didn’t even realize. So that really had been probably the main thing I’ve been involved in over the last ten years.

 

And then about six or seven years ago, I ended up getting much more actively involved in going back to writing of my own. And just as you mentioned, the American Pravda series, which deals with a lot of controversial issues from the last 100 years of American society, is certainly the place where I’ve published most of my articles, basically during the 1990s. Most of my writings probably dealt with issues of race and ethnicity and social policy, affirmative action, bilingual education, multiculturalism, immigration. While probably in the last six or seven years, the focus probably has been more on foreign policy history and again, sort of looking at the history of the 20th century.

 

Now, one other thing I should mention is that from about the mid 1990s onward, I actually was involved in a major project to digitize the collected archives of many of America’s leading public policy magazines or opinion magazines of the last 100 years The Nation, The New Republic, National Review, Harpers, and also a lot of magazines that disappeared that had been once very influential but then had gone out of business. And by going through and digitizing all those old publications, I really came across a lot of facts and interesting aspects of American society from the 1920s, 1930s, 1950s that really I’d been very unaware of just by standard college history courses or things like that.

 

So, in other words, it provided a great deal of background information that was new to me and new to other people. And that’s actually one reason I started questioning a lot of the history that I learnt in college. Because when you actually come across articles published in America’s leading magazines from the 1910s and 1920s and you see the picture they portray of American society is so different than what you’d always imagined it was at the time, it really just opens your mind to other possibilities.

 

So, I mean, that’s a fairly long introduction, but that’s basically where I came from on these sorts of issues.

 

[0:07:50]

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, you mentioned immigration. You haven’t always had sort of an anti-immigration stance. That’s one thing I noticed looking back at your articles. When did that kind of change happen? You kind of evolved your stance on immigration in around the early 2010s, is that right?

 

Ron Unz: Right. I’ve always had mixed feelings about immigration, but generally very opposed to many of the anti-immigration activists around.

 

In other words, basically, it seems to me, immigration has both positives and negatives. And probably the biggest negative that’s become apparent to me in the last, 20 years looking at American society has been the impact of large scale immigration on economic issues.

 

In other words, one reason, for example, for the severe economic decline of much of American society has been, I think, the very large scale immigration we’ve seen over the last 30 or 40 years. A lot of the critics of immigrants say that immigrants are lazy, they’re on welfare or something like that, or they commit a lot of crime, and I don’t think there’s really any evidence for that at all in American society. Now, it may be different in other countries, but not in America.

 

The problem, though, is that when you bring in a large number of eager workers who are willing to work for low wages, you obviously, by the law of supply and demand, drive down the wages for everybody competing against them in American society. And that, I think, is probably one of the strongest arguments you can make against existing American immigration policy.

 

And the flip side of that is the exact reason why America’s business groups business interests have been so strongly pro-immigrant because they see that large scale immigration helps to keep down the wages of the workers. And so things that are beneficial for, obviously, employers or for business groups can be very harmful sometimes for the economic interests of the workers who they’re employing by driving down their wages.

 

And one of the interesting things about it is if the issue were handled, I think, the right way, it would be much easier for America to solve that problem than many of these, for example, anti-immigrant groups have focused on. And the reason for that is that the groups most competing with new immigrants in American society are existing immigrants, recent immigrants.

 

So for example, if the issue were cast in economic terms like that, I think a very substantial fraction of America’s immigrant or recent immigrant population would be certainly very supportive of the notion of taking steps to reduce the flow of future immigrants.

 

And in fact, one of the issues that I raised that probably was my own contribution to debate, which really had, I think, pretty substantial impact, is the issue of one of the best it’s the minimum wage.

 

In other words, the whole notion of raising the minimum wage to a much higher level by itself, I think would tremendously reduce some of the immigration problems because most of the immigrants who come here are obviously willing to work for relatively low wages. If you raise the wage, the minimum wage, to something much higher, 12 or $15 an hour, it would act as a formidable deterrent towards immigrants basically coming here since they wouldn’t be able to take those jobs very easily. And it would also act as a formidable deterrent towards business groups hiring workers at a lower wage since the wage would not be that much lower. And what I ended up doing about that was basically about seven or eight years ago, I ended up shifting the debate in American society on the minimum wage and successfully causing a revival of the minimum wage as a major issue in American society.

 

So for example, in California right now, the minimum wage is $15 an hour where as of a decade ago it was, I believe, about $8 an hour. So we’ve roughly doubled the minimum wage in California. And the same thing, for example, has happened in various other parts of the country as well, though it’s not happened on the national level. And if more effort were put into raising the minimum wage, I think that would be a very effective means of severely greatly reducing the problems that immigration has been causing in American society and decreased a lot of the incentive for immigration down the road.

 

[0:12:23]

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, your articles on immigration are interesting. To look back at them, you were making arguments that were seemed to be very unpopular at the time, that some tropes about Hispanics committing disproportionate amount of crime actually wasn’t accurate, Hispanic immigration.

 

And you also pushed back, which I thought was interesting, against the narrative about the 1965 Immigration Act, right. That’s pretty popular in Right-wing circles in the US. Like, it kind of all went wrong after the 65 Immigration Act. Like that’s what opened the borders. That’s what changed this immigration policy from exclusive to Europeans to open it to everyone. You had a very different take. You said the 1965 Immigration Act actually restricted immigration because it did something about the ease with which South Americans could immigrate to the US.

 

Ron Unz: Sure, it’s really a very simple issue. America traditionally had an open immigration policy for basically most of our history.

 

And then in 1924, an immigration act was passed severely restricting immigration from Europe.

 

In other words, we cut off most of our immigration from Europe, and at the same time it eliminated immigration almost entirely from Asia or from Africa.

 

So in other words, Eastern Hemisphere immigration was largely reduced in the 1920s partly because of concern over these economic issues or political issues.

 

In other words, there was a movement to restrict foreign immigration to the United States, but it excluded the entire Western Hemisphere.

 

So in other words, we kept our open borders policy towards Latin American and Caribbean immigration.

 

In other words, anybody from Mexico or the rest of Latin America who wanted to immigrate to the United States would have to pay something like, I think it was $14 or $18, wait a couple of days, and they could immigrate here. So in a sense, we kept what amounted to an open borders immigration policy towards Latin America. The reason we didn’t have much immigration from Latin America for the 40 years that followed was that Latin America was tremendously underpopulated.

 

In other words, the population density was lower. So there just weren’t that many people who would come here. Some came, but not that many. And then it turns out, in about the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s Mexico and Latin America, the rest of Latin America underwent a tremendous population boom, a population explosion.

 

For example, the population of Mexico, I think had quadrupled in a period of about 50 years, even excluding the large number of Mexicans who moved to the United States. So it turns out the 1965 Immigration Act was widely perceived as increasing immigration to the United States because it reopened the possibility of large scale immigration from Europe and from other parts around the world.

 

In other words, we undid the 1924 Immigration Act, and Europeans suddenly could move to the United States, where for about 40 years, very strict quotas had been placed against most of the European countries.

 

But at the same time, the 1965 Immigration Act also imposed quotas for the first time on Mexico and the rest of Latin America.

 

So in other words, prior to the 1965 Immigration Act, there was no limit on Latin American immigration. And given the fact that Latin America was right around then beginning to experience a tremendous population explosion. If not for the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act, you could imagine millions upon millions of Latin Americans moving to the United States as immigrants every year.

 

And so while it’s true that about 60 million Latin American, sorry, 60 million Americans are either immigrants or the descendants of immigrants from those parts of the world after 1965, if not for the passage of the 1965 Act, the numbers probably would have been much higher. It could have been 100 million or 150,000,000 or something like that, simply because changing immigration law in the United States is obviously a very difficult thing to do politically.

 

And in fact, as you know, I mean, for decades now we’ve been arguing about it, and simply because with business groups very interested in having immigration at very high levels, they can almost always block any members in Congress to reduce immigration.

 

And in fact, for the last, 20 years, business groups have been making an effort to even further open our borders, to have an amnesty and increase immigration even to much higher levels than before. So it sounds, I mean, it’s very counterintuitive. And certainly many individuals focused on immigration issues are under, are unaware of the facts. But the truth is, the 1965 Immigration Act, by sharply restricting immigration from Latin America for the first time, probably prevented much more immigration than it supported.

 

In other words, we had many more immigrants from Europe and we had many more immigrants from Asia than we would have without the 1965 Immigration Act. But if it hadn’t passed, probably Latin American immigration would have been far larger than it ended up being.

 

And since the majority of our immigrants have come from Latin America, it sounds counterintuitive, but the 1965 Immigration Act probably played a role in reducing net immigration to the United States rather than increasing it. And that’s something, again, that most people aren’t aware of its the sort of thing a lot of anti-immigration websites have written on the subject over the years. And when I’ve brought it to their attention and they’ve checked into it, they’ve found out that what I was saying was correct.

 

And so they’ve stopped writing new articles denouncing the 1965 Immigration Act. But they obviously can’t take down the hundreds of articles they’ve previously written on that subject.

 

And so it’s one of these things, it amounts to sort of a mistake that got into circulation about 30 or 35 years ago that probably will never be corrected. But it’s the sort of thing with all those thousands of articles there misfortune the 1965 Immigration Act. It’s hard to say what will happen, but I mean, basically anybody can go and just check the details.

 

In fact, you can even read Kevin MacDonald’s book on The Culture of Critique where he actually discusses the 1965 Act and the fact that it actually, for the first time, restricted immigration from Latin America. So it’s simply a factual matter. And there are a lot of stats floating around the Internet, and that’s simply one of them.

 

Keith Woods: Well, I don’t mind this narrative because it vindicates the Irish, right? We always get blamed for the 65 Immigration Act. Wasn’t it Ted Kennedy?

 

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Ron Unz: Yeah, he actually played a very minor role.

 

In other words, basically he was a very junior Senator at the time. And it’s true. Certainly the Irish groups and jewish groups and Italian groups were all in favour of the 1965 Act because their immigration had been cut off to the United States.

 

And so it was suddenly opened up again after 40 years. But the number of European immigrants the point is, Europe was no longer suffering a population explosion at the time, and Europe had also become quite prosperous by 1965 or 1970. So there wasn’t the pressure to move to the United States that there probably would have been 30 or 40 years earlier.

 

Keith Woods: And you mentioned this a little bit earlier when you’re talking about the arguments around immigration and the fact that you think newer rivals in the US. Could be won over to Nancy immigration position. That’s another narrative that was very popular a few years ago, this narrative about immigration that if it’s not stopped in the US the Republicans will never win another election. And eventually they’ll realize this and they’ll become sort of an implicitly White anti-migration party. Didn’t quite play out that way.

 

But it is interesting looking at some of the polls from the last couple of years where it seems like among what’s classified as Hispanics, however they divide that up, that it’s like 50-50 Democrat-Republican, and some of them even lean Republican. So a lot of the things people took for granted about demographics and the political process there seem to be being challenged.

 

I’m just curious how you see that playing out. Like, do you think the Republican Party can become a party that’s viable in this new multiracial America? And then what does that do for the debate around immigration? It almost seems like it’s taken something of a backseat since Trump. Like there was a little bit of disappointment about Trump, and now I don’t know, I get this feeling among people on the Right in the US that they almost feel like that’s lost to an extent in terms of managing the demographics, like on the state level. But yeah, I don’t know what your feelings are about that.

 

Ron Unz: Well, I certainly think I’m not too surprised that there’s been a substantial shift of Hispanics and Asians towards the Republican Party.

 

In other words, they’re right now getting the Republicans are still getting less than half, but it’s probably 40, 45, sometimes closer to 50% from Hispanic and Asian groups. I don’t think it’s so much that the Republicans have attracted them, but many of the policies of the Democrats have been so disastrous that they’ve pushed many of those groups away.

 

For example, I think probably the biggest issue has been the crime issue.

 

In other words, there’s been a gigantic rise in urban crime in many parts of the country. And you’ve probably seen some of the videos where especially attacks by blacks on Asians, many times elderly Asians have been attacked and killed just walking on the street.

 

And so that, I think, has caused a tremendous shift of Asians towards the Republican Party simply because when you have a situation where there was a massive increase in crime in the United States, urban crime a year or two ago, and the response of many prominent Democrats was to say, we have to defund the police.

 

I mean, that’s utter insanity. And that, I think, is probably the reason many ordinary Hispanics and Asians started giving another look towards the Republican Party.

 

Also, for example, a lot of what I guess you could call the sort of wokeness or the transgenderism, those are not things that are particularly appealing to ordinary Hispanics or Asians or Whites, for that matter blacks. In other words, a lot of people who are more ordinary working class people have been pushed out of the Democratic Party because of some of its extreme positions it’s taken.

 

And so, again, it’s not a question of, like all the Republicans, the Republicans gaining necessarily 60% or 70% of these groups, but there’s definitely been a shift in that direction. It’s interesting that the shift started probably about four or five years ago.

 

In fact, if anything, when Donald Trump was elected, he ended up actually doing much better among Hispanic voters than anybody expected.

 

In other words, the media portrayed Trump as being a fanatic hater of Hispanics, that he attacked Hispanics, that he said all these nasty things about them, and surprisingly enough, he actually got a much larger share of the Hispanic vote than most people expected because he ran on working class concerns.

 

In other words, he ran saying, I intend to improve the economic position of ordinary working class Americans. Most Hispanics are working class, and so they were attracted by that argument, even if they were repelled by some of his other arguments. And then once he came into office, the fact that in some ways the economy was doing better under him caused again, many of those people to shift in his direction.

 

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So the funny thing about it is, even though Donald Trump was portrayed as a tremendous villain by the media, somebody who hated Hispanics, who was anti-Hispanic, racist, he actually came close to getting the highest Hispanic percentage of any Republican president in modern times, almost equaling what Ronald Reagan had done 30 or 40 years ago.

 

So it’s the sort of thing, the Republican Party, if it’s simply concentrated on issues having to do with these economic facts or some of these social issues like the extreme policies in the public school. Sometimes I think it just naturally and a law and order policy I think would probably do much better among Hispanics and Asians and Whites and to some extent blacks than it would be if it simply tried some of these other things.

 

I mean, the whole thing about it, a lot of the Republican elites tend to believe that support for higher levels of immigration is the way to win Hispanic votes, and that’s not at all the case.

 

In other words, Hispanics are mostly motivated by bread and butter issues, by meat and potato issues, and larger scale immigration, in other words, is not something necessarily that improves the economic posture of ordinary Hispanic workers since they would be competing against these new immigrants.

 

And so for that reason, I think, for example, there certainly could be some political strategies the Republicans could follow that would be much more advantageous in that way. But I don’t really see any sign of the Republicans actually adopting it, partly because the Republicans are so much the captive of the same business interests that support large scale immigration that the Democratic Party is as well.

 

So, I mean, from my point of view, I think many of the attacks against immigration over the last, 20 or 30 or 40 years have been severely misguided. But I do think strong arguments can be made towards reducing immigration on entirely different grounds, and I think probably those lines of attack would be much more successful than what the Republican Party or what Conservatives have tried to achieve over the years.

 

Keith Woods: Another thing I’ve noticed recently, especially since I went back looking at Twitter, and I don’t know if this is due to Elon Musk’s, Twitter being more relaxed on this stuff and not having shadow banning, but it does seem like there’s something of a sea change in terms of people are really discussing the issue of black crime now. And it’s not just a few kooks out there like Jared Taylor or Colin Flaherty. It’s quite mainstream Conservatives that are discussing this issue. And you go on Twitter and there’s constantly these viral videos showing what it was like in public schools for White children and so on. Yet Scott Adams and his recent outbursts, which got a lot of support, actually. Yeah.

 

I’m just curious about that it’s kind of something people have been speculating on lately. Why do these mainstream Conservatives that have ignored this for so long seem to be embracing it now? Or is it just an organic thing that the viral effect of this stuff being out there, and after all the years of censorship, that eventually it just reached a boiling point. But yeah, I don’t know if you have a take on that or what, …

 

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Ron Unz: Well, I mean, all of those things are factors, but another factor is black crime in the United States has become much, much worse than it was a few years ago.

 

In other words, in the aftermath of the George Floyd incident in Minneapolis that really forced a lot of the police to be adopting a much more defensive posture.

 

And again, there have been all these cases of, for example, police being prosecuted on grounds of, for example, sometimes even just shooting back at a black criminal and things like that. And so when you have so many police being very worried that they could become the next sacrificial lamb on something like that, if somebody takes a video of them, I think the police basically have pulled back in a lot of these cities.

 

And at the same time, the media narrative has been so extreme the last couple of years, the notion of, for example, police murdering large numbers of backs, killing blacks for no reason at all, that I think has in turn, enraged much of the black population.

 

And so there’s been a tremendous rise, I think, in the degree of black violence in many of these urban centres. Again, I mean, some of the things, for example, that have happened in San Francisco and other parts of the country, New York City as well. Elderly Asians simply walking on the street and suddenly being attacked and beaten or sometimes even killed by blacks in a random fashion. That was not something that was occurring five or six years ago. And things like that get on YouTube, they get on Twitter, and they go viral in just the way you’re saying.

 

So when you look, for example, at the rate of black homicides, it’s much, much higher than it was a few years ago.

 

Keith Woods: Do the policies of Trump have anything to do with that? He had the First Step Act, and he had a few Acts that kind of relaxed restrictions in terms of letting violent criminals out of prison early and so on. Did that play a factor?

 

Ron Unz: Oh, I think it certainly did.

 

In other words, Trump on that issue, in a sense, followed very much the liberal agenda, which was strange because.

 

I mean, the media portrayed him as an ultra Right-wing fascist or something like that. But I mean, he basically supported the media line of basically letting a lot of criminals out of prison.

 

So, for example, there’s been a tide of that.

 

For example, back about 20, 30 years ago, when crime was very high, there was a massive wave in California and other states to put people in prison for much longer periods of time. There was the three strikes movement, and in California, the percentage of the population incarcerated rose dramatically.

 

So in other words, many more people were put in prison, which might have gone too far in that direction. But on the other hand, with so many people in prison, obviously crime went down.

 

And so then for about 15 years, 15 or 20 years, with a decline in crime rates, partly because of those very high levels of incarceration, then there began a movement saying that we should really let more people out of prison, we should reduce sentencing, we. Should eliminate three strikes. And that ended up developing momentum of its own.

 

So now, for example, the number of people incarcerated in prison in California is much lower than it was ten or 15 years ago, and sentencing is much laxer. Unfortunately, one result of that is that crime rates are much, much higher than they had been, especially violent crime rates, which is what people are most concerned about.

 

There was also an effort, for example, on the part of various liberal or left liberal donors, George Soros being the best example, to fund District Attorneys who would be much less harsh on criminals than before. And that actually happened. The District Attorney, for example, in San Francisco was recalled from office because crime rates had spiked under his laxer policies. And there’s an effort actually to recall the District Attorney in Los Angeles for the same sort of reason.

 

So in other words, it’s been a mixture of a number of different factors. There was a sense that America was incarcerating too many individuals unfairly, and in many cases, those individuals were black. There were too many black men in prison.

 

And so that shifted towards an effort towards letting them out of prison, which resulted in tremendous increase in crime rates, especially in combination with the police being very nervous about being filmed and being sentenced if a criminal ended up dying or was an innocent person was shot in any of their actions.

 

So it’s a mixture of basically the police being much more cautious than they were in the past, District Attorneys sometimes refusing to press charges with the severity they had in the past, and many prisoners being let out of prison. And the result of that has just been much, much higher crime rates before.

 

Also, for example, in some cases in California, for example, I think shoplifting less than I think was like a couple was changed to misdemeanors.

 

So, for example, cases there were video cases where people would, for example, walk into a grocery store or walk into a drugstore and just fill a shopping bag with items that they then would sell on Ebay or sell on the Internet. And when someone like that basically is not prosecuted for the crimes, and when ordinary shoplifters are not prosecuted, it obviously gives people an incentive then to escalating to more serious crimes.

 

And here, for example, in Palo Alto, there have been many cases over the last few years of gangs of ten or 15 or 20 people coming here from Oakland or coming here from another city, rushing in a group into a high end department store and just stealing everything. Stealing, for example, Apple, looting an Apple store, looting other stores, sometimes breaking into, …

 

Keith Woods: Jewelry stores.

 

Ron Unz: Exactly. And when things like that get on the Internet and there’s a sense developing that crimes like that are not being punished, it obviously causes many other people to start considering doing something similar.

 

So I mean, crime is certainly a serious problem in the United States, and probably within a few years there’ll be such a reaction against it. We may go back to what we had 20 years ago with much stiffer sentencing, but at least for now, I mean, one reason there’s more concern about crime is that crime is much more severe than it was.

 

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Keith Woods: Yeah, the popular issues for the Right are always crime and immigration. Right. I mean, you can see it with the guy in El Salvador, like, massive support for his policies. But yeah, it’s incredible. You get someone like Trump in office and he took extremely liberal positions on that issue. But I’m sure it’ll be more of a focus as maybe immigration becomes a bit more contentious and the country becomes more multiracial. I’m sure the crime issue will come more to the forefront.

 

But by the way, for the people watching, we’re also live on Cozy TV. We actually have more viewers on Cozy than YouTube tonight, which is interesting. The sort of old tech side is winning. There’s 500 watching there live. And you can send Super Chats if you have a question for Ron Unz on Power Chat. The link is there.

 

Now, actually, the reason I asked you on originally was because this thing about the origins of Covid right. The US government started putting this out that now they believe that it came from a Chinese laboratory.

 

And I thought it was interesting because immediately the reaction of the sort of old media types was like, oh, the conspiracy theorists have been proven correct again, and this kind of vindicates us. And we’re always right in the end, and the mainstream has to give in and not approach it with a great deal of skepticism. The government lies about everything, but not this kind of thing. And so, yeah, I went back to your articles on this because you’re one of the few people that has been pushing an alternative theory. There’s kind of been two theories, right. The sort of mainstream accepted theory was it came out of a wet market. It was like a natural mutation.

 

And then a lot of people speculated that it came from the laboratory in Wuhan. There are arguments for that. Supposedly someone that worked on the WHO investigation said that China pressured them heavily not to investigate the lab.

 

But then that’s something they would do either way, right, if they don’t want that narrative circulating. But you’ve promoted an alternative theory that you think elements of the US government or the US Deep State are responsible and that this was a means of sort of economic warfare against China. But instead of me summarizing it, maybe you can explain it to the audience.

 

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Ron Unz: Sure. Well.

 

I mean, the whole thing about is when the virus first appeared in Wuhan, right towards the basically, it was first discovered probably right at the end of 2019.

 

So, in other words, the world started hearing about it in January, early January 2021, obviously, nobody had any idea what was going on.

 

In other words, a mysterious virus suddenly appeared in the city of Wuhan, and it seemed contagious it was spreading. And people also weren’t even sure how dangerous it was, what the death rate would be. And there were obviously a lot of concerns. And fairly quickly, within about a month or two, a standard narrative was formed, the sort of official narrative on the part of the American science establishment that the virus was natural.

 

In other words, it had mutated in probably a bat or some other form of animal, and it spread to the humans in Wuhan and then was going out from there.

 

So, in other words, the natural virus theory ended up being the dominant establishmentarian narrative for about a year, a year and a half in the West. And it was supported by a couple of paper, early papers that came out in nature health and in science magazine, where a number of very respectable scientists said that the virus was obviously natural.

 

Now, at the same time, there was a counter-narrative, fairly widespread in the alternative media and also anti-China groups that got started very early on. And that narrative was that the virus had come from a laboratory.

 

Keith Woods: I remember, sorry to interrupt. I remember Steve Bannon was pushing this very, …

 

Ron Unz: Exactly, and it got started very early.

 

In other words, basically, I ended up hearing it seeing on the internet in January, probably early to mid January, before almost anybody in the world was even focused on Wuhan.

 

In other words, before the virus had spread to any other country. And the story that they were putting out was that the virus had come from the Wuhan Institute of virology. Now, it just so happened the city of Wuhan, most Americans, most Westerners had probably never heard of Wuhan. I don’t think I’d ever heard of Wuhan until the viral outbreak.

 

Wuhan is a large city. It has a population of 11 million, but it’s an interior city, so it’s not the sort of city that most Westerners. It’s not like Beijing or Shanghai. And Wuhan is the site of China’s most advanced viral research facility, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which was set up, I think, about eight or nine years ago.

 

So it makes perfect sense. We suddenly have this mysterious virus appearing in a city in China, and by an amazing coincidence, that same city has China’s most advanced viral laboratory. So it didn’t take too much to put two to two plus two together. And to see that why many people started arguing that the virus had probably leaked out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

In other words, the argument was some people claimed it might have even been developed deliberately as a Chinese bioweapon. Others said, oh, the Chinese were just running experiments on viruses in that facility, and it suddenly leaked out.

 

So in other words, the two arguments that ended up being widespread for really the last three years are, first of all, the natural virus argument, which is basically that the virus is entirely natural. It simply came from some animal species and happened to appear in the city of Wuhan at that time.

 

The other narrative, which was supported by many members of the Donald Trump administration trump sometimes implied it. Mike Pompeo implied at some of the people of his administration is that it leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the lab leak hypothesis. And then once it leaked, it then spread around parts of the city of Wuhan and eventually spread around the rest of the world.

 

So, in other words, it was a Chinese virus that devastated the United States eventually when it got here, that devastated Europe that’s probably killed 20 million people around the world.

 

And so, again, those are perfectly plausible theories.

 

But one thing that made me very suspicious early on, as early as January, before almost anybody was paying attention to that virus in the city of Wuhan, when it was just getting a little bit of coverage, there was already a tremendous propaganda campaign in the alternative media, especially the anti-China alternative media, portraying the virus as having come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

In other words, it happened very early on. Radio Free Asia, which is one of America’s propaganda outlets, was talking about the virus having leaked from the Institute, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as early as January 6, before anybody else in the world was even paying attention to this disease, before a single person had died in the city of Wuhan. And that basically made me suspicious about why would there have been such a massive propaganda campaign targeting China and targeting the virus before almost anybody in the world was even paying attention to some obscure disease in the city of Wuhan, which most people had never heard of at all.

 

So early on, I started thinking that there are obviously two possibilities. The virus might be natural, or the virus might have leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology the way some people were suggesting. But there was obviously a third possibility as well. At that point, the virus appeared in the city of Wuhan when America was at an extreme international confrontation with China over issues of trade, over issues of national security.

 

In other words, China and America were in a confrontation at that point in time. What then happened a few weeks later, …

 

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Keith Woods: That was the time the Hong Kong protests were going on.

 

Ron Unz: Exactly.

 

Keith Woods: This is part of Covid as well.

 

Ron Unz: Exactly. Hong Kong protests. And there’s a lot of suspicion that America, …

 

Keith Woods: Well I mean, they were definitely like, funded by the National Endowment.

 

Ron Unz: Exactly!

 

In other words, basically there were a lot of suspicions that the CIA or some of the American intelligence organizations were putting together the Hong Kong protests to basically cause trouble for China to disrupt China’s control over Hong Kong.

 

And again, I mean, that’s the sort of thing countries do all the time. But it seems to me that at that point in time, first of all, you’ve got to understand, I mean, China already had a larger, real economy than the United States. As far back as 2014, the Chinese economy was growing much more rapidly than the American economy, and it was larger in real terms and had been larger for a number of years. China was building up it’s military, and by all measures, all American national security experts agreed that China was America’s most formidable international rival down the road. And in the immediate terms, in other words, there was a feeling that Russia was weak, Russia was declining. America, anyway, had two to three times Russia’s population, a vastly larger economy than Russia.

 

So China was considered the future threat for the United States. And that’s actually why, for example, when Donald Trump became into office, one of his first actions was to take economic action against China.

 

In other words, saying, we have to reduce China’s economic strength. We have to cut our trade ties with China. We have to block, for example, China’s technological development. And America ended up kidnapping the chief financial officer of Huawei, restricting exports to Huawei, China’s most important technological company.

 

So, in other words, America was taking all these actions targeting China.

 

And so it just made me suspicious at the time that this mysterious viral epidemic breaks out in China at the point when America is most hostile to China.

 

And then a few other things came out, probably by about the end of January, I’d come across some other facts which I hadn’t been aware of at the time. First of all, the virus appeared in Wuhan probably towards the beginning of probably early November, possibly late October, but more likely early November.

 

Now, it turns out that was exactly when Wuhan was holding the international military game, the world military games, at that point in time. And there were 300 American military officers participating in those games in the city of Wuhan.

 

So just looking at it logically, if 300 Chinese military officers visited the city of Chicago in the United States, and immediately after they left, a mysterious viral epidemic suddenly broke out in the city of Chicago, it would certainly make people quite suspicious of what was going on.

 

I also found out that it turns out in the years 2018, there had been I probably should step back a little bit. This is stuff that basically I ended up working out five months, six months later, but really all ended up falling into place.

 

There’s a man, for example, named Robert Kadlec who for decades has been America’s leading biowarfare advocate. As far back as the 1990s, he was writing articles saying that biowarfare was the wave of the future. Biowarfare was the best means of severely damaging an international adversary and doing it in a plausibly deniable means, in other words, so that nobody could prove what was going on, a virus would appear in another country. And he pointed specifically at the use of viruses to damage the food supply and the economy of a geopolitical rival.

 

Now, it turns out Robert Kadlec was brought into the Trump administration in 2017. In 2018, China was suddenly hit by a mysterious viral epidemic that severely damaged it’s poultry industry.

 

Then in early 2019, right at the beginning of 2019, China was hit by another mysterious viral epidemic that wiped out 40% of China’s pig herds, the largest in the world and China’s primary meat source.

 

So, in other words, we have America basically elevating a top biowar for advocate to the Trump administration.

 

And then in the following two years.

 

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Keith Woods: What position did you say he had?

 

Ron Unz: In the Trump administration? Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services, which, strangely enough, that’s Fauci’s area, in other words, basically, he ended up being, he was basically put in as America’s chief biowarfare expert or something like that. He actually served a similar role in the George W Bush administration about 10 or 15 years earlier, but he was brought in in 2017 in the Trump administration.

 

And then in 2018 and, 20019, China’s food supply was suddenly hit by these mysterious viral epidemics, with some claims that the swine flu was being spread by small drones.

 

In other words, there were rumours in China, there were stories going around that drones were spreading the disease throughout the entire country.

 

And then in late 2019, suddenly the Covid virus appeared in the city of Wuhan.

 

Now the city of Wuhan, even though most Americans have not heard of it, it’s one of China’s leading transit hubs. It’s a city of 11 million, and it’s the place where many of the rail lines converge.

 

China has Lunar New Year holidays, which are the equivalent of Christmas, New Year’s, and several other holidays all rolled into one. During Lunar New Year 450,000,000 Chinese typically travel. In other words, they basically travel to their ancestral villages. They travel back home again if they’ve been working in cities. So it’s by far the biggest holiday for China. Now, the virus appeared in the city of Wuhan.

 

Keith Woods: That’s in February, right?

 

Ron Unz: Exactly, that’s basically January, February, late January, early February. The virus appeared in the city of Wuhan and then started growing exponentially. So since it was a new virus that nobody heard of I mean, the Chinese only discovered it’s existence on the last day of December in 2019, and the Chinese didn’t even realize that it was contagious until early January 2019.

 

Once it then began spreading in the city of Wuhan, the Chinese finally, then in mid to late January, ended up instituting a severe lockdown and managed to stamp it out. But if they waited just a couple of weeks, the virus then would have spread throughout the entire city of Wuhan. And Wuhan, being a transit hub it would have spread out throughout the entire country of China with probably tens or hundreds of millions of Chinese being infected. The result of that.

 

Keith Woods: I’m just sharing an image on screen there for the audience, just to illustrate what you said about the Wuhan as a transportation hub. You can see in the green is Wuhan, and it’s right in the middle of all of these lines that connect these major cities like Shanghai and Guangzhou and so on.

 

Ron Unz: Exactly. Now, the whole thing about the virus, at first, nobody really knew how dangerous it was, and most of the evidence that come out later, obviously, it’s very much more dangerous to elderly people than younger people.

 

In other words, I think if you’re over 60, you have 100 times greater chance of dying than if you’re under 40. But overall, for the average American population, the death rate is something between 0.5 and 1%.

 

So in other words, we’re talking of a sort of bioweapon potentially that would not wipe out a population, but still it ended up killing about a million Americans.

 

So the result of that, if it had spread out throughout China, China would have to if tens of millions or hundreds of millions of Chinese have been infected, China then would have had to take tremendous economic measures, locking down the entire country to prevent millions upon millions of Chinese deaths. In a sense, China would have had to do, under those circumstances, very much what America end up doing once it’s spread back here. And so we would have seen tremendous disruption to Chinese society, disruption to the economy, as happened all around the world.

 

And so the point about it is probably the best way of looking at this type of virus, of these characteristics, is that it would have the characteristics of a very effective anti-economy bioweapon.

 

In other words, something that isn’t an anti-personnel weapon. It’s not intended to kill 30% or 50% or 70% of the population, but because it would be fatal to enough people, it would cause tremendous disruption in a society if it became widespread in that society.

 

So anyway, I’m jumping at it myself on some of that. But what I then ended up, as the pieces started coming together, one thing I discovered about a year later, which really was quite surprising, was, as I said, Robert Kadlec was America’s leading biowarfare advocate. And it turns out from January to August, 2019, he ran something called the Crimson Contagion Exercise, which was a federal state planning session, a series of exercises on how America would prevent leakage of a dangerous respiratory virus if such a virus were to appear in China.

 

So we’re talking about from January to August, 2019, America, under it’s chief biowarfare advocate, ran this massive planning exercises exercise to prepare itself for the appearance of a potentially dangerous Covid like virus in China. And such a virus then appeared in the city of Wuhan, just a couple of months later, which seems an awfully remarkable coincidence, if it were a coincidence.

 

Another factor which, …

 

Keith Woods: Can I just ask. I’m just imagining, like, someone that’s skeptical, listen to what they’d be then pushing back. Why did the US seem so kind of unprepared for the whole thing? It took a few months to even react, right?

 

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Ron Unz: Exactly. America’s reaction was unbelievably incompetent.

 

I mean, the whole thing about it is not only that, but we botched the production of the CDC testing kit.

 

In other words, we did almost everything wrong. You can imagine the scenario I’m talking about, this sort of biowarfare scenario. The key factor to keep in mind is there’s absolutely no evidence that Donald Trump himself was at all aware of or involved of what was going on.

 

In fact, there’s tremendous evidence that he was absolutely not aware of what had happened. When the Covid virus started leaking back to the United States, and infecting people here, Trump basically said, oh, it wasn’t a problem, it would go away itself, people should ignore it, it wasn’t dangerous, that sort of thing.

 

So there’s absolutely no chance that he under my scenario, that he would have been aware of what had happened.

 

My argument is that it probably was an action taken by lower level officials in the Trump administration, probably a small hand.

 

Keith Woods: Wouldn’t they have foreseen that America won’t be prepared for this, and this will potentially do as much damage to the US?

 

Ron Unz: You see, part of it is that America dominates the world of propaganda.

 

In other words, America really dominates the world of media and propaganda. And one problem is you sometimes tend to believe your own propaganda.

 

Remember when the SARS epidemic, the original Coronavirus epidemic, suddenly appeared in China in 2002 and, 20003. It never spread much outside of China. It had a very high fatality rate, I think it was 20% or 30%.

 

So it was a very dangerous virus, but very few people outside of China were ever infected or died. It never spread to the United States, I don’t think. I think maybe one person died in the entire country. When the MERS epidemic, another Coronavirus suddenly appeared in the Middle East. I think it was 2007, 2008, something like that. It never much spread outside the Middle East, and not a single American ever died of MERS. So we had these two previous waves of Coronavirus infection, both of them natural.

 

In other words, they found the animal reservoir, neither of which had done any damage to the United States, it turns out. The National Health Organization, in late 2019, did a study on which countries in the world were best prepared to cope with any epidemic that might appear. Any dangerous epidemic. America was ranked number one. Britain was ranked number two.

 

In other words, all the West European countries were considered to have the best healthcare systems at coping with any epidemic of any sort that might appear. China was down around 50 or 60.

 

So in other words, anybody naively looking at all these international comparisons would have thought, well, SARS never got to the United States, MERS never got to the United States. The previous Coronavirus epidemics from the Middle East and from China had never done any damage to the United States. All the international bodies agree that America is best prepared at coping for any respiratory or other epidemic that might happen.

 

And so they might have believed that by organizing these exercises, eight months worth of planning for potentially dangerous Chinese virus that might appear that plus these other steps would basically safeguard America from any significant blowback. So it’s possible a few Americans would be infected, a few Americans would die, but by contrast, China potentially would be devastated.

 

In other words, hundreds of millions of Chinese might have been infected if the Chinese hadn’t reacted as quickly as they did.

 

And so the problem was the reality ended up being very different.

 

In other words, partly because of Trump’s basically unwillingness to confront the virus once it started leaking back into the United States, America basically just reacted very, very poorly.

 

And in fact, we had no idea how to cope with it.

 

In other words, our testing kits didn’t work. We refused to use the German testing kit that they’d already produced. And so for that reason, we had no idea what we do. And we ended up implementing lockdowns, then off and on for about a year or two, and then a controversial vaccination drive after that.

 

So the problem is, the scenario I’m talking about is not a scenario where America’s national security establishment as an organized body spent months or years planning and biowarfare attack against China.

 

The scenario I’m talking about is a small group of individuals, probably one or two of them near the top of the Trump administration, deciding to take this step without Trump being aware of it, without getting his authorization and simply deploying the resources, the lower level resources of the American national security establishment in this action, but without Trump or the top officials knowing what had happened.

 

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And so, because Trump didn’t realize the virus was dangerous, he basically prevented any effective reaction once the virus unexpectedly leaked here and started infecting people. And there are a lot of other factors involved as well.

 

One early thing that made me extremely suspicious about the virus being more than it seemed was the fact that the second country in the world hit the hardest with Covid early on was Iran.

 

In other words, Iran became the second epicenter of the Covid world-wide outbreak, even though it has one of the lowest Chinese populations in the world.

 

In other words, only a few thousand Chinese people live in Iran, while the other countries that were fairly early, like, for example, northern Italy, has 300,000 Chinese living and working there, many of whom had returned from the Lunar New Year holidays and been infected and carried the infection there. Spain was another very country early infected. 150,000 Chinese live and work in Spain. So we had countries that basically had hundreds of thousands of Chinese, as you would expect, getting early infections with Covid because they got it from travels back to China.

 

And then you had the holy city of Qom, the centre of Iran’s political and religious establishment, becoming the epicenter of Iran’s Covid outbreak sooner than anyone, any other country in the world. And the infections hitting China’s political and religious elite. For example, 10% of Iran’s entire Parliament became infected by Covid before a single political figure anywhere else in the world had become infected. And that all happened.

 

In other words, if you trace back the pattern of infections in Iran, the first Iranians probably became infected just two or three weeks after America had assassinated Iran’s top military commander, general Kostam Suleimani.

 

So in other words, we have a situation where America assassinates Iran’s top military commander, and just a few weeks later, the Iranian political elites are infected with this mysterious virus, even though Iran has much less of a connection to China than most of these other countries that have not yet been infected. Not only that, but at the time all this was happening, I really was very surprised that nobody in the world noticed what was happening in Iran.

 

I mean, the fact that the Iranian infections had happened right after Iran’s top military commander had been assassinated and I couldn’t imagine why the Iranians hadn’t noticed what I noticed just by reading the newspapers. And then I found out a year later, not only did the Iranians accuse America of having launched a biowarfare attack against Iran and China, it was in all the Iranian newspapers. The Iranian political leaders accused them. They even filed a formal complaint with the United Nations accusing America of having launched a Covid biowarfare attack against Iran. But none of it was ever reported in the American media.

 

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So in other words, it never got into the New York Times, it never got into the Washington Post, it never got into the Wall Street Journal.

 

So Americans were simply not aware of the fact that the Iranians were accusing America of having launched a biowarfare attack.

 

So we have a situation where basically the two countries in the world at that point in time that America was most hostile towards were China and Iran. And those were the two countries hit with this mysterious viral epidemic that had characteristics later argued obviously came from laboratory. And that’s actually something I should say from the beginning. I’m not somebody who is a trained virologist. I’m not a microbiologist. So I’ve generally stayed away from the science aspects of the issue, even though my background is in physics. Physics is not microbiology.

 

So the point about it is I can’t say whether the virus itself is natural or artificial. But there’s been a tremendous amount of evidence that’s come. Out over the last year or two. That the virus. That the characteristics of the virus, the genetic characteristics of the virus, the [word unclear] and cleavage sites. Other aspects of the virus are exactly the sort of thing you would expect to be produced in a laboratory and are very different than would defined in any of the other Coronaviruses that would be found in nature.

 

So, in other words, the individuals who are advocating the lab leak hypothesis are really making two separate points. They’re pointing to a tremendous amount of evidence that the virus was produced in a laboratory, the virus was a product of bioengineering, the virus did not come from nature.

 

And then they’re making the case that, well, if it came from a laboratory, well, there’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology in the city of Wuhan. That’s obviously a place that must have come from the problem is that there’s very, very little evidence that the virus either was created in the Wuhan Institute of Virology or that there was any lab leak in that Institute.

 

For example, just to give an example, early on, there were all these claims made of, for example, people having gotten sick in the laboratory or the virus having spread earlier, but there’s really very little evidence for any of that.

 

And in fact, there have been some quite a lot of detailed examinations of the timing involved. And the timing really shows that virtually nobody in China was aware of any virus spreading until right towards the end of December, in other words, long after the virus had appeared in the city of Wuhan.

 

Furthermore, an Australian biologist named Danielle Anderson was actually working at the Wuhan Institute of Technology during the period in question. She was very friendly with the people. It’s a research Institute. It’s not a biowarfare lab or anything like that. And she specifically says she’s seen absolutely no sign that a virus of that type was being worked on in the laboratory, was being developed there. There were no indications of any lab leak having occurred, and she’s very skeptical of anything like that having happened.

 

Some Western journalists then interviewed a lot of the people at the laboratory, and there’s simply no indication that any of them were aware of anything going on, any sort of lab leak or anything like that.

 

Furthermore, when you look at the pattern of infections in the city of Wuhan, the pattern of infections is on the other side of the city from the Wuhan Institute of Technology.

 

So, in other words, if the virus had leaked out of the laboratory, you would expect at least some of the early infections to be in the vicinity of the laboratory. But instead, it’s about ten or 12 miles away on the other side of the river, centreed on the wet market that people were often talking about.

 

In other words, that’s clearly where the virus first appeared.

 

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So we’re talking about a situation where there’s really quite a lot of scientific evidence and a lot of people who have great deal of expertise on the structure of viruses, on DNA issues say that the virus very clearly came from a laboratory, was bioengineered.

 

In fact, someone like, for example, Professor Jeffrey Sachs, who was the chairman of the Lancet’s Covid Commission, he really became very suspicious that the people he’d put on the commission who were investigating the origins of the virus were simply covering up the fact that the virus was artificial rather than natural.

 

In fact, many of the early statements that have come out, you have all these experienced biologists saying what they looked at. The structure, the structure of the virus clearly came from a laboratory.

 

In other words, it’s not the sort of thing you would expect to come from nature. So essentially, there are three possibilities. There’s the natural scenario, the lab leak, accidental lab leak scenario, and the third scenario, which I think is by far the most likely, which is the deliberate biowarfare scenario.

 

Most advocates of the lab leak scenario spend their time and effort arguing that the virus was bioengineered in a laboratory, that it has characteristics, genetic characteristics of that sort, and they have very little evidence to supporting anything like a lab leak having happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

Most of the supporters of the natural virus theory focus on the fact that there’s very little evidence of a lab leak. And when you look at, for example, the spread of early infections, it’s on the other side of the city. There’s simply no evidence for any lab leak having occurred. And they tend to soft pedal the characteristics of the virus itself, which arguably seem quite likely to have been produced in a laboratory.

 

So we’re talking about a situation where if you look at the third scenario, which I think has the advantages of the other two, but none of the disadvantages, we’re talking about a situation where America is in a major confrontation with China and Iran, the two countries America is most hostile towards.

 

America has the oldest and largest biowarfare programme in the world. We’ve probably spent about $100 billion over the last 60 or 70 years on biowarfare, and suddenly a mysterious virus breaks out in China and Iran, hitting those countries right after America spent eight months in the Crimson Contagion Exercise, preparing itself for the possible appearance of a dangerous respiratory virus in China.

 

And so all of that, I think, is really quite strong evidence. But there’s one piece of evidence that really constitutes something closer to a smoking gun.

 

As I said, Donald Trump almost certainly had nothing to do with this.

 

And by the way, I should say that under normal circumstances, the notion of America or any major country launching a biowarfare attack against a leading international adversary without the leader of that country, without the President of the United States being aware of it, is utterly ridiculous. But the Trump administration was not a normal administration.

 

In other words, there were all these other things going on that were entirely kept away from Donald Trump.

 

In fact, some of the stories came out afterwards. Some of Donald Trump’s top aides would hide his own Executive Orders from his desk.

 

Keith Woods: I remember there was something published in the New York Times where it was like the headline was something like, I’m a member of the Deep State, and I’m sabotaging Trump’s administration plan to be a senior member.

 

Ron Unz: They just ignored him totally. Again, what I’m talking about in this case is a small group of individuals deciding that America has to strike a major blow against China, it’s greatest long term adversary, severely damaging the Chinese economy, maybe even causing the overthrow of the regime, and also probably striking Iran at the same time. And obviously, they really felt, well, Trump is not the sort of person to bring it into the loop on something like this.

 

So the fact that Trump was totally unaware of this meant that when the virus started leaking into the United States in the way that nobody really expected at the time, our reactions, trump basically told people to ignore it, pay no attention to it, forget about it. It would go away by itself. And so we ended up having a huge epidemic. By April, tens of thousands of Americans were becoming infected, and many of them were dying. It was spreading around the country. It was a gigantic disaster.

 

So for very obvious reasons, our intelligence agencies decided to try to explain to the public that they were not the ones responsible for this horrible disaster that potentially could kill hundreds of thousands of Americans. And four separate intelligence sources went to ABC News and told them that the Defense Intelligence Agency, one of our leading intelligence agencies, had produced an intelligence report describing this potentially cataclysmic disease outbreak taking place in the city of Wuhan, had distributed to our top officials, had sent it to the White House and ignore it.

 

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So in other words, the intelligence agencies were trying through the leak, through the leak to ABC News, to explaining that they had warned the government of what was going on. They had warned of this terrible epidemic taking place in the city of Wuhan and the danger of it spreading. And the government, the White House had just ignored the problem.

 

So it wasn’t the fault of the intelligence agencies. And basically, it’s exactly the sort of thing you would expect them to do they basically had a secret intelligence report.

 

Now, the truth is, probably many, many of these reports are constantly being produced, warning of all sorts of things going around the world.

 

And so it’s not too surprising that Trump paid no attention to it. But the key thing is, the date of the report was November. It was early November when the report was produced.

 

So, in other words, in early November, the Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a secret report describing a potentially cataclysmic disease outbreak taking place in the city of Wuhan before there was an outbreak in the city of Wuhan.

 

In other words, according to most of the current timelines, probably in early November, there might have been ten or 15 people who’d just gotten infected in the city of Wuhan and were starting to feel a little sick. In a city of 11 million, there’s no way the Defense Intelligence Agency or any outside source could have been aware of what was happening at that time.

 

So that, in effect, was a smoking gun of foreign knowledge of the events. Now, as you can imagine, the Pentagon immediately denied the existence of the report, even though four separate intelligence sources had confirmed the fact that the report existed when they leaked it to ABC News. And it had been reported by the top people at ABC, the Pentagon, when they realized they were talking about November, that the report had been produced in November, they claimed the report had never existed.

 

But then a week later, Israeli TV reported the fact that naturally the report existed. The report had been sent to Israel, the report had been sent to all of our NATO allies, the report certainly existed, and the report had been produced in the second week of November.

 

So we’re talking about a situation where the Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a secret report distributed to our NATO allies, to Israel, and to our top government officials about a potentially cataclysmic disease outbreak taking place in the city of Wuhan before any significant number of people have been infected. And that is exactly the sort of thing that I think demonstrates foreknowledge, again confirmed, …

 

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Keith Woods: Just for the people watching what should people search just to find that specific report, because an interest in the report?

 

Ron Unz: No copy of the report was ever actually leaked.

 

In other words, we don’t have a copy of the report, but it was reported by four sources to ABC News and then separately confirmed by Israel that it was sent to Israel and our NATO allies. And they describe the report and that sort of thing. It’s in my articles, and in fact, there’s sort of a summary that provides links to the ABC News story and the Israeli TV news story that explain the nature of the report.

 

So we’re talking about a situation where if you have foreknowledge of something like that, it’s very, very difficult to explain that unless at least some people in the American government were aware of the disease outbreak before anybody in China.

 

In other words, there’s absolutely no evidence that anybody in China and the Chinese government was aware of the virus invisibly spreading in the city of Wuhan until right towards the end of December, six or seven weeks after the American Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report talking about this potentially cataclysmic disease outbreak taking place in the city of Wuhan.

 

So when you’re talking about something like that, again, that is basically the hard information we have. We have these news stories. ABC News, the New York Times reported the Crimson Contagion Exercise that went on for eight months right prior to the appearance of the virus.

 

The scenario, I think that’s most plausible to explain that evidence is, again, a small group of officials, probably one or two of whom might have been near the top of the Trump administration, decided to deal a severe blow to our Chinese and Iranian adversaries using an anti-economy bioweapon of the sort releasing in Wuhan and then separately releasing in the whole city of Qom, infecting them and damaging them.

 

And then they probably then notified individuals in the Defense Intelligence Agency saying that they had some intelligence report about some disease epidemic in the city of Wuhan.

 

In other words, it’s not at all clear whether anybody who produced the report in the Defense Intelligence Agency would have been aware of what I believe was an American biowarfare attack against China. It’s simply that they would have then been leaked intelligence probably by some of the conspirators.

 

Keith Woods: Wouldn’t you expect China to be aware of this, China’s own intelligence agencies and so on? And would you have expected them to go public with this?

 

Ron Unz: That’s the whole thing.

 

In other words, the Chinese, early in 2020, in February and March 2020, started making some accusations towards the United States.

 

In other words, they basically claimed the virus had been brought to China, probably by American participants in the Wuhan war exercises.

 

Keith Woods: They haven’t been disclaimed?

 

Ron Unz: Again, they’ve never specifically accused America of a biowarfare attack.

 

In other words, they’ve claimed America probably brought the virus to China, without specifying the circumstances. And I think probably part of it is there’s no proof.

 

In other words, it’s not that the Chinese or anybody else has proof. America dominates the world media. And so if the Chinese made accusations, people would say, well, where’s your proof? And they wouldn’t really have any proof.

 

In other words, what I’ve explained right here is, I think, a lot of strong evidence in favour of this scenario, but it’s not hard proof.

 

In other words, there’s absolutely no hard proof. It’s not like we have a confession by any of the participants of the world military games or anything like that. And the other thing to remember is the Iranians did specifically accuse America of a biowarfare attack. Their media reported, the top leaders reported it. Nothing happened.

 

In other words, the world media, which is under the control of the West, totally ignored the Iranian accusations and it did them no good at all.

 

Keith Woods: Arguably the US, just after killing Soleimani. You’d imagine Iran would maybe accuse the US of being involved regardless, right?

 

Ron Unz: Well, that’s actually one reason they did it, is because the timing. In other words, the fact that the disease outbreak hit the Iranian political elites like three weeks after we’d assassinated their top military commander. I mean that sort of coincidence is just so amazingly strong. I mean, you know, the whole thing is the fact that the virus allegedly jumped 4,000 or 5,000 miles from the city of Wuhan in China, all the way to the holy city of Qom in Iran, which has almost no Chinese population, was just a very implausible thing.

 

And so the Iranians naturally put two and two together and accused America, but again, they didn’t have any proof.

 

Another thing I should mention is back, …

 

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Keith Woods: You think there would have been a separate leak done by the US in Iran?

 

Ron Unz: Yeah.

 

In other words, there’s no way. It’s very unlikely it would have suddenly jumped thousands of miles to a city with almost no Chinese population. It’s possible, …

 

Keith Woods: I guess maybe one objection is you said like previous SARS viruses, like they didn’t leave China so the people conspiring this would have thought, well, this will do damage to China, but we won’t really have to worry about it. But if they were looking at the Covid virus specifically, what seems to make it unique is how contagious it is and how easily it spreads.

 

And even in January 2020, there were people saying like, restrictions lockdowns, that would all be pointless because the way this virus functions, there’s basically nothing we can do except let it spread. It’s too contagious to do anything about.

 

So the theoretical people planning this, would that not have factored in that, well, this is so contagious that it would be impossible to confine it to China and Iran and the whole West is going to have to deal with it.

 

Ron Unz: It obviously ended up being a total disaster. What you’re saying is exactly what happened. But remember the scenario.

 

Keith Woods: So you think they probably didn’t take exactly how the virus would, …

 

Ron Unz: Well, the whole thing about it is the scenario I’m talking about is typically when a government like the United States might consider an action like this, it probably would go through 20 levels of planning stages.

 

In other words, we’re talking about a huge number of different individuals being brought into setting up the procedures for something like that, going through all these different possibilities.

 

The scenario I’m talking about was basically a rogue operation run by probably a small group of conspirators in the Trump administration. Since it was a rogue operation that was kept away from Trump himself and kept away from most of other top officials, they couldn’t have basically had all these planning sessions. It was probably just a small group of people who really ran the thing more in a seat of the pants operation.

 

In other words, basically they assumed that some of these defensive measures like the Crimson Contagion Exercise, the fact that the SARS virus hadn’t spread, the fact that the DIA secret report would warn of the epidemic taking place in Wuhan. They probably believe that the combination of those factors and America’s outstanding public health system ranked internationally as the best in the world at coping with any epidemic.

 

Keith Woods: When you say elements of the Trump administrator, are you mentioning something like a John Bolton type figure that’s working with elements of the CIA?

 

Ron Unz: Probably the two most likely suspects.

 

And again, there’s no way of telling who would have been involved under my scenario, but the two most likely suspects, I think, would probably be Mike Pompeo, the Secretary of State who’d previously been head of the CIA, or John Bolton, the National Security adviser. They were both ferociously anti-China. They were the leaders.

 

Keith Woods: Pompeo was very bullish, very against China, I think. Wasn’t he head of the CIA when the Hong Kong protest. There’s a suggestion that he may have been heavily involved there.

 

Ron Unz: Exactly. And for example, and John Bolton, by some accounts, John Bolton, we basically ended up kidnapping the CFO of Huawei, the daughter of the founder, when she was changing planes in a Canadian airport, and we ended up holding her for about a year, a year and a half.

 

I mean, it really almost caused a complete rupture with China. Allegedly, John Bolton ordered that, the seizure of a top Chinese business leader without informing Donald Trump.

 

In fact, the story came out about six months ago. Donald Trump afterwards said, but you arrested somebody who’s like the equivalent of my daughter in China. Why did you do that? And Bolton basically had done it without Trump’s permission.

 

So when things like that happen, when America basically arrests one of China’s top executives and potentially imprisons her for 20 years in the United States and it’s done by John Bolton, without informing Donald Trump of what he’s doing.

 

I mean, that’s exactly the scenario I’m talking about, where you had Pompeo and Bolton, either of them being senior enough to have organized something like this with a small group of conspirators around them.

 

In other words, their aides, their assistants. But I think probably someone like that could have arranged something like this. And the whole thing about it is, from their point of view, Trump, they probably regarded as being they probably didn’t want to take the risk of raising this sort of possibility with someone like Trump and just basically deal a severe blow to China and Iran without Trump knowing about it.

 

And then, obviously, once it ended up being a gigantic disaster and a million Americans died as a consequence, with two years worth of lockdowns, with all the controversies over vaccines under that scenario, obviously the people involved would be very concerned about anybody being becoming aware of what happened.

 

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Keith Woods: All right, just one other question, because I just imagined the other thing that the audience would maybe be skeptical of is how useful Covid would even be as means of economic warfare. I’m sure people will say, well, it only really killed people that were very elderly or had underlying conditions. And even if the Chinese didn’t deal with it with severe lockdowns or whatever, they could probably more or less get on with business as usual. That is kind of the, I think, sort of dominant consensus on Covid. Now, it’s maybe worse than the common cold, but not as serious as was originally taught when it entered the West?

 

Ron Unz: Right. Well, you’ve got to remember, right now we’re talking about the Omicron version of Covid which is much milder than the original Wuhan version. Also, at the time the virus first appeared, nobody would be sure about the fatality rate.

 

In other words, remember, the original SARS that appeared in China had, I think, something like a 15% fatality rate. And early on in the first few weeks, there were all these rumours going around that the virus was extremely deadly.

 

So, in other words, if you’re the Chinese government, and if you have a massive spread of this virus throughout your country and you don’t know anything about the fatality rate, you don’t know that it would generally be targeting only the elderly. You couldn’t take any risks.

 

So, in other words, if the virus had spread throughout the entire country, probably 10 or 15 million Chinese would have died.

 

In other words, the original version of the virus probably had a 0.5% to 1% fatality rate. China has 1.4 billion people.

 

So if you multiply it out, I mean, we’re talking about many, many millions or even tens of millions of deaths in the country, plus a complete collapse of the Chinese healthcare system because it wouldn’t only be the people who would be dying, but the people who would be very sick for a period of a few weeks.

 

And also, the thing about China is China is a country that is much more respectful of its elderly.

 

So, in other words, a disease that would kill a large fraction of their people in their 70s or 80s might be treated even as a greater risk than something in the West, where there isn’t as much respect for elderly, including, for example, the party leaders in China.

 

So the whole thing about it is I’m not saying, for example, that the virus involved necessarily would have wiped out China’s entire population, but it probably was sufficiently contagious and sufficiently deadly that a country like China would have had to take very strong lockdown measures to control it. And if hundreds of millions of Chinese had been infected, it would have had a devastating impact on Chinese society.

 

The interesting thing about it is there was actually a 40 year veteran of American biowarfare who ended up writing a number of pieces on the Internet. And I ended up checking into his background, and it looks like he probably is exactly what he claimed to be. And he really was arguing it was basically in January when I came across some of his statements. He argued that the ideal sort of anti-economy bioweapon is something with a low fatality rate, but a very high rate of contagion.

 

In other words, something that was very infectious but had low fatality rates would tremendously disrupt a society.

 

In other words, if you had something, for example, that would simply kill 10% of the population, it probably would do less damage to a society than something that would infect 80%, 70 or 80% of the population. Even if only made the people sick and only killed a small fraction of them, it would tremendously disrupt a society.

 

So the point about is if the original Covid virus had spread around China, killed many, many millions or even tens of millions of Chinese and devastated the country, you could easily imagine the result would be a collapse of order in China.

 

In other words, people would blame the government for having failed in its mission to protect them. I mean, just like for example, look at all the incredible anger there’s been in the West over the fact that the governments have fallen down on the job with regard to the lockdowns, with regard to all these other policies.

 

So the point about it is, again, it wasn’t designed to be 100% effective at destroying China, but it was probably felt by the people involved that it would have a good chance of dealing a severe body blow to China, damaging the Chinese economy, damaging Chinese society and destroying much of the political legitimacy of the ruling Communist Party, which it probably would have if they hadn’t reacted as effectively as they did.

 

Because remember, even in the last six months, or a year, there’s been a lot of growing resentment in China towards the endless lockdowns to control the virus. And that’s despite the fact that the West and the rest of the world had suffered much more severely over the last couple of years than China did.

 

So in other words, there was some loss of legitimacy in the Chinese government even under the circumstances where 20 million people have died around the world with almost nobody dying in China until very recently.

 

So the whole point about bioweapons, as Robert Kadlec had written back in the 1990s, they’re a plausibly deniable means of severely damaging an international adversary.

 

In other words, there’s no proof America had attacked China or Iran or any of these other countries with bioweapons.

 

And so there’s nothing really the Chinese or the Iranians could say internationally that the global media which America controls would take seriously.

 

Well, one other point I should make is about six or eight months ago, the Russian general in charge of biological warfare held a press conference focused on the biolabs, whatever the 20 or 30 biolabs that Russia claims to have found in Ukraine. Biological warfare labs that he claimed were preparing biological attacks on Russia. And he actually specifically accused America of having released Covid as a biowarfare attack against the rest of the world, especially China and Iran.

 

And again, it got almost no attention in the American media. So probably very few Americans are aware of the fact that the Russian government has now officially accused America of having released Covid as a biowarfare.

 

So we’re talking about the Iranian government, the Russian government, and to some extent the Chinese government have all pointed the finger of blame at the United States. But since none of it is ever reported in a serious way in the American media or the Western media, probably very few Westerners are even aware of it.

 

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Keith Woods: Yeah, it’s a very interesting theory. I mean, like you said, there’ll probably never be a smoking gun. We’ll probably never know for sure. But I think out of the three plausible theories that you laid out, I think that probably is the most plausible in terms of fitting with the facts and explaining things.

 

Ron Unz: It’s partly, I’d say it’s the process of elimination.

 

In other words, there seems to be a great deal of evidence that the Covid virus was bioengineered in a laboratory.

 

So the natural theory goes out the window.

 

And also they’ve never found an animal reservoir.

 

If it came from a laboratory. The two possibilities are the Wuhan lab that leaked out or the sort of biowarfare scenario I’m talking about. And the problem is there’s just no evidence of a Wuhan lab leak. And there seems to be a lot of other evidence that elements of the American national security establishment were aware of the viral epidemic before it happened.

 

So I think the combination of those two things is strong enough that it’s the sort of thing if the American media or even the alternative media began reporting the story, in other words, if it got almost any coverage at all, it could be facts would be shaken loose. But virtually all the coverage, probably 99% of all the discussion has either been natural virus or lab leak. And nobody is focused on any of this other evidence, even though it comes from mainstream media sources.

 

Keith Woods: Now, another thing you’ve been writing about recently, which I shared to my Telegram because obviously this has been hot topic of discussion the last few months is the topic of excess deaths. And I don’t know if I can even see that says the V [vaccine] word on YouTube. The terms are so ridiculous but related to medical treatments broadly for Covid.

 

But you’re one of the few people I’ve seen in the kind of brother Alt media sphere that kind of actually took a hard look at this and broke it down by demographics, by vaccination status, by country, by obesity and health status. And yeah, they’re very interested in the articles. People complain to me a lot that I don’t talk enough about the topic of side effects and excess deaths.

 

But honestly, it’s like the only pushback I’ve really seen from the stuff you’ve presented is kind of a lot of anecdotal evidence. There’s a lot of articles of people dying from heart attacks, young people. The problem with that is it seems like if you had Covid, you’re seven times more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine. Obviously, those numbers could be wrong, but still, in a time when a lot of people have had Covid, which does affect the heart, you would expect there’d be more myocarditis.

 

I mean, that’s the only thing I noticed from having Covid myself that was different from any regular flu, is I was getting like, very sharp heart pains, which was a pretty weird experience. But yeah, we know it affects the heart.

 

But anyway, the basis of your article is you broke it down and showed that although there are a lot of excess deaths in the US, the UK, some other countries, if you break it down by the working age population, a lot of countries actually have a mortality deficit. They have less than what would be the expected number of deaths.

 

And there’s a few interesting things to come out of your article. I’ll pull it up in a second while you’re talking. I should have had already. But yeah, there’s a few interesting things to come out of me.

 

One thing is that there’s no real correlation that can be established between the vaccine rollout and the excess deaths. Like, a lot of countries that’s pointed to they had excess deaths prior to the vaccine rollout, and then they have mortality deficit after.

 

Countries that have low vaccine rollout, like Bulgaria, I think it only has like, 34% uptake of vaccines. They have much higher excess deaths than some countries that have very higher vaccine rollout. There’s countries with almost 100% that have mortality deficits.

 

So the long and the short of it is there isn’t any direct correlation you can establish based on the numbers between vaccine status and deaths, even if there’s a lot of stories of a lot of people dying right now that’s being shared around.

 

And the other thing was the obesity element that you analyzed. So trying to find an explanation, you broke it down by obesity and well, maybe I’ll let you explain that aspect of it.

 

[1:36:30]

 

Ron Unz: Sure. What I focused on is the single most important factor that gives you a high risk of dying from Covid is your age.

 

In other words, elderly people have a vastly greater chance of dying of Covid than younger people. I think it’s probably if you’re over 60, you have 100 times higher chance of dying than if you’re under 40.

 

So the point is, when you’re looking at individual countries and seeing, for example, what the pattern is with vaccinations or with Covid deaths, excess deaths, it’s probably better to focus on the working age population. People who are I think the figure is generally from about 16 to about 60, 16 to about 64 in that age range. So that you’re sort of getting out of the fact that some countries have much higher elderly populations than other countries.

 

And then when I simply looked at those countries, I saw America had probably the highest rate of excess deaths of any country in the working age population. And strangely enough, the other countries with very high excess deaths were not the ones you’d sort of imagine.

 

In other words, basically, Canada, which had very different has a very different political system than the United States had very high excess deaths as well. Britain had high excess deaths. A few other countries did as well. While in the other countries, like Sweden or Denmark or the Netherlands had relatively low excess deaths. And the pattern seemed to be, more than anything else, it was due to obesity.

 

In other words, if you look at the charts of national obesity, those countries that have the highest rate of national obesity seem to have the highest rate of working age excess deaths. Which isn’t that surprising, because we know that Covid is much more dangerous to people who have weight problems, people who are obese than people who are thin or average weight.

 

So, in other words, it seemed to me that rather than looking at any patterns of vaccinations, or even the particular type of vaccination, the obesity factor was by far the most important element in determining the death rate, the excess death rate for working age populations. And when we’re talking about working age populations, excess deaths, we don’t have to worry about the fact of whether we’re talking about what they died, whether they died with Covid or whether they died from Covid. We’re simply talking about the total number of deaths in that country relative to deaths under normal circumstances for the few years before.

 

And so it seems to me that a lot of these concerns about vaccinations, I think, to be honest, are sort of misguided, or possibly due to the fact that in the United States we’ve had such a high rate of excess deaths. And the government the fact that the government and media in the United States has sacrificed the trust of so many Americans.

 

In other words, it’s been so dishonest about so many things for so many years that there’s naturally a sizable fraction of the American population that immediately becomes suspicious about anything the government or the authority or the media say on anything.

 

And so it seems to me that probably the obesity factor, just by looking at about 15 or 20 or 30 different countries, was the biggest factor in how much negative impact Covid had, how many people Covid killed outside of the elderly range.

 

Keith Woods: Now, one thing is, how is the expected deaths being calculated? Because for the countries that have a mortality deficit, this is something I’ve heard before for some of these projections is the expected deaths is based on the number of annual deaths from the past five years. Obviously, the past two, three years includes Covid itself. So maybe that expected number of deaths is higher than it should be, and then you get mortality deficit, but maybe you still have some excess deaths in there. Is that accounted for or how is, …

 

[1:40:36]

 

Ron Unz: There are lots of different ways of doing it.

 

So, in other words, every individual person can use the benchmark for excess deaths that they want. The one I was using was the simplest one possible.

 

In other words, in all of these countries, I just took the average deaths for the five previous years prior to the Covid epidemic, average prior to the Covid and comparing it now, that’s certainly not perfect.

 

In other words, for example, in some of these countries, there had been a steadily rising death rate over those five years.

 

And so it might be better to use, for example, a linear interpolation method or something like that. But the simplest possible method you can use is simply to average the deaths over the previous five years and compare it to the deaths for the last three years of the Covid epidemic. And that’s basically what I use in most of those countries.

 

Keith Woods: So, for example, I’m just sharing an image from the article you wrote.

 

So this is the US for 2022, ages 15 to 64, and orange is to say that there’s excess mortality.

 

So you can see it actually declines a little bit as the year goes on in 2022, which yeah, I don’t know what you make of that specifically, but I’ll pull up another one you included, which is the rate for France, where there’s actually a mortality deficit, like we said.

 

Ron Unz: Exactly.

 

Keith Woods: Yes, you can see that the blue is a mortality deficit.

 

So there’s actually less deaths than you would expect based on the five years prior to Covid.

 

Ron Unz: Right. And I mean, to some extent, we’re talking about, remember working age people where the death rate is normally very low with the lockdowns most of these countries had, the result was that, for example, regular illnesses like the ordinary flu was stamped out because of the lockdowns.

 

And also you had, for example, a decline generally in traffic accidents because fewer people were driving, factors like that. So it depends country by country. And I’m certainly not saying the differences are necessarily as enormous as those two tables there.

 

But when you’re looking at 30 or 40 different countries, each of them over three or four years, and the pattern seems very clear, that the ones with excess mortality in the working age population are the ones that have the highest obesity rates in the world charts that points towards obesity as being a very large factor. And it’s sort of interesting.

 

One thing I hadn’t realized is that for some reason, the countries in the Anglo sphere the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain tend to have much higher obesity rates than most of the other Western countries. I don’t know exactly why. Maybe it’s Western advertising, American advertising or something like that. But for example, you have much lower levels of obesity in the continent or in the Scandinavian countries than you do, for example, in Australia or Canada or Britain, and that seems to be the closest, the most important factor with excess deaths with Covid.

 

Keith Woods: Another thing I could think of in terms of trying to sort of steelman the other position of people we listen to this is could you say, okay, so we see some countries have a mortality deficit, but if we had two, three years of Covid couldn’t you say, like, Covid wiped out the low hanging fruit? In a sense, like it killed a lot of people.

 

And so then there are people that maybe would have died in 2022 or 23, but now they’re already dead. So then, basically, if you have a couple of years where there’s a lot of excess deaths and people with underlying conditions and overweight people are dying, then you’d expect that a couple of years after that, you’ll have a lot less excess deaths because, like I said, the kind of low hanging fruit is gone. So is that something you’re factored in? Because then maybe you could still have excess deaths against what you’d actually expect if you factor that in.

 

But if you compare it to the five years prior to Covid, it looked like a mortality deficit.

 

Ron Unz: Right. But what’s interesting is many of those countries had deficit mortality from the beginning of the Covid epidemic.

 

In other words, the deficit mortality began in 2020 and it continued in 2021 and, 20022.

 

So, in other words, there was no increase in deaths during the period of those years, despite the fact that, for example, many of them had very heavy vaccination drives.

 

Another example, which I focused on later in a later article, was that probably the country in the world that had the highest elderly population, the highest percentage of elderly population was actually Japan.

 

In other words, Japan had a much larger elderly population relative to its overall size than any other country in the world. I think 50% larger percentage or twice as large as any as the next most country in the world. So you’d expect a very high rate of Covid deaths in Japan for that reason. Also, Japan then had one of the world’s most extreme vaccination drives.

 

In other words, there was probably more vaccine in Japan than almost any other country around the world. And the result was Japan basically had relatively low mortality rates compared to most other countries.

 

So, in other words, when a country with a high elderly population that follows a very heavy vaccine schedule with boosting and vaccine still has relatively low deaths, to me, that’s evidence that the vaccinations aren’t nearly as dangerous as some people say.

 

[1:46:16]

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, I encourage everyone watching again to go and check out the archives. If you just search Ron on American Pravda, you’ll find the archive there. And I think that the Covid ones are all included in that because I’m sure a lot of the audience will be very triggered by that take, but I’d invite them to try and go through your article and disprove it because I tried to sort of steelman that position. But they’re the two objections that I could think of but you’ve dealt with them. And I really think what you presented in terms of cross analyzing the data is pretty solid.

 

But I guess that gets us to another question, actually, which again relates to another one of your articles, which I really liked, which is I think it’s called Alex Jones Cass Sunstein and Cognitive Infiltration. It’s something like that. I shared on my Telegram a while back. But it relates to the phenomenon of conspiracy theories, and obviously neither of us are blanket against conspiracy theories.

 

I mean, if people look at the American Bravo series, right, you have alternative texts on 9/11 and JFK, and your Covid theory and a host of other things. But you did analyze this phenomenon, which is interesting, the idea of cognitive infiltration. That there was this advisor to Barack Obama, Cass Sunstein, that wrote a paper where he talked about flooding the discourse of conspiracy theories to kind of introduce bad or ridiculous theories to kind of discredit anti-government narratives. It was actually Michael Collins Piper that talked about this a lot. You cited one of his books.

 

You thought an example of this was like the Sandy Hook thing, the narrative of crisis actors, which is a narrative that’s kind of persisted. I’ve seen that for other events like that since.

 

But maybe an obvious example people could think of is like some of the ridiculous theories that went around about 9/11. Like, that there was no planes, that there were holograms or missiles or something. But yeah, just a lot of very bad, very weird conspiracies related to 9/11.

 

I’m just curious because you’re obviously pushing this theory about the origins of Covid but at the same time, there’s been a lot of, I think, very bad, very weird conspiracies that have popped up on the Right since the origin of Covid And it seems like it kind of shifted the Right into a much more sort of conspiratorial frame. Like suddenly this old sort of Birch Society narrative about the UN controlling the world or Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates implementing global communism. This was like the very popular new frame among the Right. I’m kind of surprised in how mainstream it’s gone in terms of establishment. Conservatives talk about that kind of thing now, but you’re obviously pushing a theory about the origins of Covid.

 

But then you have theories out there. Covid doesn’t exist. There was these weird, like 5G theories I remember back in 2020, actually, I remember those few months. It was a weird time in terms of all the I almost forget about some of them, but like the 5G theory that there was nanobots going to be activated by 5G towers, all this kind of stuff.

 

So, yeah, I’m just curious. Do you think that was a case of what you described with the cognitive infiltration and flooding the zone with bad narratives. Do you think we’re seeing a lot of that on the Right?

 

[1:49:48]

 

Ron Unz: I think that’s very possible.

 

In other words, if you’re trying to basically hide something that is as serious as the scenario I’m talking about, one way of doing it is obviously just as you’re saying, to sort of flood the zone with a proliferation of every possible conspiracy theory so as to distract people, have them wandering off in different directions.

 

I mean, the strange thing about it is, in nearly all ways, my Covid scenario is actually a very mainstream establishment sort of scenario.

 

In other words, almost everything I’m saying about Covid is pretty much what you’d find in the New York times or most of these other publications, with the one exception being that it was an American biowarfare attack.

 

Now, the fact that America spent probably $100 billion on its biowarfare infrastructure over the last 60 or 70 years, the fact that we have the world’s largest biowarfare program, the fact that it’s the oldest biowarfare program, the fact that, again, it’s been giving out money through the Eco Health Alliance and all these other groups monitoring bio facilities around the world. I mean, all that is stuff you can just read in the New York times.

 

And the one element that is never discussed in the mainstream media is the possibility that elements of the American government might have used that biowarfare infrastructure.

 

And the truth is, when a mysterious, dangerous virus suddenly appears in the two countries that America is most hostile towards.

 

I mean, it’s not all that irrational to start wondering whether it might have been an American biowarfare attack. And when you start looking at the facts, I mean, one reason I’ve often said people are so reluctant even to raise this possible issue is because once they do, the pattern is so clear, the evidence is so strong.

 

I mean, the fact that basically the top Iranian leadership was infected with Covid in the holy city of Qom just a few weeks after we’d assassinated their top military commander.

 

I mean, that’s an awfully remarkable coincidence! And when all of these factors are brought into play, I think probably people would fairly quickly decide it’s at least as plausible as the other scenarios that they’ve been discussing.

 

So the problem is, once you sort of open the door, I think you’ll have a lot of people starting to ask themselves whether a million Americans died and we had years worth of lockdowns because of the blowback from a botched American biowarfare attack. And when you’re talking about, for example, Americans.

 

I mean, the suffering Americans underwent, I mean, probably the Covid epidemic, including everything about it, all the lockdowns, the deaths, the controversy over the vaccines, everything like that this is the worst disaster to hit the United States since the Great Depression. I mean, huge numbers of deaths huge amount of inconvenience. Our entire economy was disrupted.

 

And the fact that there’s a very real possibility it was because of a botched American biowarfare attack is probably almost too horrifying for most Americans to even contemplate. But we really have to ask ourselves, why did we get ourselves into the situation?

 

In other words, America’s biowarfare facilities had already gotten back in the 19, I think it was around 1968 or 1969, there was a famous case of a nerve gas facility in Utah that leaked and it killed 5000 sheep. If the wind had blown in a different direction, the nerve gas would have probably devastated Salt Lake City, Utah, and probably killed tens of thousands of Americans. For that reason, Richard Nixon, president Richard Nixon a year or two later, ended up announcing that we were terminating, we were abandoning our biowarfare facilities, and we signed on to international conventions to ban biowarfare. So in theory, biowarfare has been banned all these years, but it’s been brought in through the back door under the grounds of biodefense.

 

In other words, there’s really no difference between biodefense and biowarfare.

 

In other words, the argument is you produce all these dangerous viruses so that you can better defend against them. And the problem is whether it’s a lab leak or whether it’s something else. I mean, we’ve now had probably 20 million people around the world die from the impact of Covid. And if Covid had been more dangerous, if it had mutated in a more dangerous rather than a less dangerous direction, we could have had many, many tens of millions of deaths around the world.

 

So I just think it’s just unconscionable that neither the media, neither the mainstream media, nor even almost any of the alternative media until very recently has been willing to look at the facts regarding the Covid outbreak and the evidence that I’ve been writing about now for three years.

 

One thing I should say is, in the last few months I’ve been very impressed with the work that’s been done by the Daily Skeptic, which is a British alternative newspaper, alternative media outlet focused on Covid. They’ve really had a series, the editor has had a series of very good articles going through a lot of these issues, connecting up the dots, and I’d certainly recommend them very much.

 

But, I mean, the point is, aside from The Daily Skeptic and aside from the work that I’ve done, a very small number of people here or there, almost all of the alternative media has been very unwilling to look at the reality of what probably happened.

 

And now that, for example, the Covid epidemic is winding down now, I think to some extent, probably the controversy over the health measures taken to control it are subsiding. I think it’s much more important that people go back and ask how this disaster happened, especially with some of the hearings that the Republicans are now having in the House about the efforts that were made on the part of Fauci and others to basically start developing some of these dangerous viruses and do some of the bioengineering that could have led to the creation of Covid.

 

[1:56:04]

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, just on the topic more broadly of China and the US. We can get to the Superchats after this topic, but I guess this relates to the whole cognitive infiltration thing. You do observe this dynamic with the old media is very anti-China and the CCP, and they’ll often have a narrative like the mainstream media or the US Government is actually like pro-China, like we’re the anti-China ones. And you just get some utterly bizarre narratives, like the balloon thing recently that Biden is passing secrets to the Chinese, and he’s also letting them fly a massive spy balloon over the US. And all this kind of thing.

 

But, yeah, it does work. I mean, you get these conservative Right-wing types that are very skeptical of the mainstream media, very skeptical of the government.

 

But then their take on the sort of neocon push for war with China, it’s like the government isn’t saber rattling enough with China. They’re too soft on the CCP.

 

I’m just curious where you see that going, because you see Tucker Carlson now, he’s been a figure that’s been, you know, very good in terms of pushing a lot of populist talking points and pushing back on. He’s one of the few people to push back on the US involvement in war in Ukraine, and he platforms a lot of anti-war voices, but he’s getting very aggressive in his rhetoric on China. And this whole narrative has shifted to, like, we need to withdraw from Ukraine so that we can fight China over Taiwan, this kind of thing. He has these people like Eldridge Colby on that are very hawkish on China.

 

I’m just curious how you see that playing out.

 

I mean, that’s a very big question to ask you, but in terms of, would the US be willing to go to war over Taiwan? And maybe more importantly, do you think the US is capable of reforming itself to be able to fight China, or is there just too much ideological hubris there? You’ve mentioned that to an extent already.

 

Ron Unz: Well, I mean, the whole thing about it is for the last 30 years, America has reigned as the sole superpower on the world after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And for 60 years or 70 years, we’ve done our best to try to make sure that we prevented China and Russia from moving together.

 

In other words, basically, that was Richard Nixon’s great success, and it was followed by the people who came afterwards.

 

In other words, the fact that we were able to become, in effect, a quasi ally of China was one of the reasons we won the Cold War against the Soviet Union.

 

The one thing no geopolitical strategist in all of modern American history has ever considered is that any group of American leaders would be stupid enough to push China and Russia together again. And that’s exactly what we’ve done over the last couple of years.

 

In other words, we basically are almost at the verge of war with Russia right now over Ukraine. I mean, basically we are. I mean, NATO is more or less at war with Russia on Russia’s own border, which is an extremely dangerous situation. At the same time, we’re saber rattling towards China.

 

So the inevitable result, basically, we’ve pulled back on our agreement. Since Richard Nixon opened the door to China, we’ve always agreed that Taiwan is part of China, the One China policy. That was the pillar of our diplomatic relationship with China, and we’re not pulling back from that.

 

So what we’ve done is do everything we can to alienate both China and Russia at the same time and drive them together, which is exactly what happened a few days ago, the meeting in Moscow between the leaders of the two countries. We’ve also pushed Iran into that same camp, and most recently, we’ve even pushed Saudi Arabia into that camp. Even Saudi Arabia.

 

Keith Woods: That was very interesting, a deal brokered by China with Iran.

 

[2:00:20]

 

Ron Unz: It’s an incredibly important development! I mean, basically it means we’ve lost our strength in the Middle East.

 

I mean, Iran and Saudi Arabia re-established diplomatic relations after decades of hostility through the good auspices of China and the Chinese diplomats in Beijing. I mean, Saudi Arabia has been our most important Arab ally since Franklin Roosevelt met with them, I think, in 1944 and 1945.

 

So, I mean, we’re talking about 70 years of an alliance that we’ve now thrown away. And Saudi Arabia and Russia are two of the leading oil exporters in the world.

 

I mean, the two of them together, largely together with Iran, largely control the oil market around the world.

 

Basically, we’ve destroyed ourselves diplomatically. I certainly would agree with all of these Republican critics of the disastrous job the Biden administration has done on these issues. But they say we should have attacked China more ferociously than we did, which is ridiculous.

 

I mean, the point is, China has the world’s largest industrial capability. Russia has the world’s largest storehouse of natural resources. If you combine them together, they’re stronger than the US. And NATO. And what we’ve done is push them together.

 

And the fact that we destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, I mean, everybody knows we did it, and most people were sure we did it even before Seymour Hersh, one of America’s most renowned investigative journalists, came out with all the details of it. The point is, we committed an act of war against Germany, our most important continental ally in Europe. We devastated the European economies because of these energy issues.

 

I mean, there’s a perfectly reasonable chance. I mean, it was a very mild winter. Not for the fact there was a mild winter, it would have been a terrible economic situation with the prices of energy and we still might have problems, for example, this summer because of air conditioning requiring a lot of energy. And the next winter. We have inflicted tremendous damage, economic damage upon Germany and our other NATO allies. We destroyed their infrastructure, illegally.

 

And so I think that is the sort of factor that went into the Saudi calculation.

 

In other words, the Saudis thought to themselves if we would destroy the Nord Stream pipelines of Germany, perhaps we’re not the sort of ally they should be involved with and when you take Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, China and a few of the other countries who have alienated around the world we’re in a very weak situation compared to what we would have been a few years ago. And what we’ve done is just so utterly irrational driving all these countries together that if we were deliberately trying to sabotage America’s strategic position we couldn’t have probably done a better job of it.

 

And it’s unclear what will end up happening with the Ukraine, but I mean, for example, I’ve been following very closely general Colonel Douglas Macgregor, again, very highly regarded military analyst. And he’s convinced that the Ukrainians are suffering very severe losses, and that the Russians will end up winning the war probably in the next few months and gaining control of most of Ukraine or at least as much of it as they want.

 

Now, again, I’m not a military expert. There are people on the other side who claim that the Russians are the ones suffering losses.

 

But, I mean, the fact that we’re basically right now depleting our storehouses of ammunition and weapons, much of which is being lost in the Ukraine war. I mean, basically there have been all these stories in the mainstream media of the fact that the Ukrainians right now are using up in a month the sort of munitions that America typically produces in a year.

 

And so if at some point we got into war with either China or Russia or some other major power around the world we’ll be in a much weaker state than we otherwise would have been and it was so unnecessary.

 

In other words, I’m very impressed with someone like for example, with John Mearsheimer who you’ve probably seen his lecture about how we basically spent all these years provoking the war, provoking the Ukraine war with the Russians, doing everything we could to try to avert any early peace after the war broke out.

 

And we’re now in a position where we basically are committing an awful lot of our military resources and $120,000,000,000 of our financial support to a regime that I think has a very good chance of losing in the next few months. And then where will it be? The Russians ended up calling up their reserves. They’re basically mobilizing and they might end up coming out of this with a much stronger military force than they’ve had in decades. And we brought it on ourselves, and now we’re looking for another fight with China at the same time, which is just insane.

 

[2:05:27]

 

Keith Woods: And you do think the US would be willing to go as far as war with China over Taiwan?

 

Ron Unz: Well, I hope not.

 

I mean, the whole thing about is China does not want war with Taiwan. China has basically said from the beginning that they’re willing to wait decades to reunify with Taiwan.

 

And in fact, for example, Taiwan right now, there are two political parties in Taiwan. One of them is more anti-China, and the other one, which actually was the original Kuomintang that came from China, that had been traditionally the government of China. They’re much more friendly towards China, and I think they probably have a fairly good chance of winning the next election.

 

So China certainly doesn’t want to start a war with Taiwan. But if we persuaded the Taiwanese to move towards independence, it’s certainly possible that China might end up demanding a blockade over Taiwan.

 

In other words, China could use their long range of missiles to declare a naval blockade of Taiwan, and then that either America would try to break the blockade, which would mean war with China, or America would have to give in on something like that.

 

So it makes absolutely no sense that we’re in one conflict with Russia right now, and at the same time, we’re looking for a new conflict with China.

 

Basically, under the right circumstances, we could have perfectly amicable relations with both Russia and China.

 

In other words, it’s a give and take situation. They have to recognize our interests in certain areas, and we have to recognize theirs in other areas. Ukraine was a red line towards Russia, and by crossing that red line, by forcing the Ukrainians over it, we started a war. Taiwan is a red line for China, and I certainly hope we don’t start another war with China over Taiwan.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, I mean, sometimes people have these very structuralist interpretations of geopolitics where everything is for some very sensible, objective international relations reasons.

 

But I really think you can’t make sense of the strategy as it relates to Russia, except just being downstream of the ideology of the people in the State Department and genuine hatred of Russia and what it represents and genuine commitment to global dominance, basically. Because, like you said, the way it’s played out really isn’t going to benefit them in the long run. But look, we’ve gone over 2 hours. I’ll get to the Superchats now.

 

Ron Unz: Sure.

 

Keith Woods: So let’s see. Imperious sent a Superchat. He said if America wanted to devastate China economically, it would simply remove it’s most favoured trade status and hasten the already ongoing exfiltration of manufacturing into the next 14 Latin and Asian countries with better labour costs.

 

Ron Unz: I’m skeptical. Really? It would be that important. The thing to realize is that most favoured nation status was certainly very important for China. 15 or 20 years ago when they were building up. But from what I’ve read, a large fraction of the Chinese economy is now entirely domestic.

 

In other words, they’re not nearly as dependent on exports to the United States as people think they are. And I would argue probably in many ways, America is more dependent on exports from China, low cost exports from China than the other way around.

 

In other words, if you go into Walmart or if you go into a lot of the stores, a huge fraction of our goods come from China. And if we ended up cutting off those goods, I think a large fraction of the American population would suffer even more than they are economically. And that’s certainly.

 

I mean, the economic scenario that he’s talking about was exactly what Donald Trump was focused on.

 

In other words, he was talking about decoupling America from China. But China already has a larger economy than the United States.

 

In fact, an interesting article by a top French policy analyst that I just was looking at a couple of days ago. If you look at, for example, on a real basis, purchase power parity basis, the productive sectors of the economy rather than service economy, which is much more nebulous, China’s economy is already three times larger in real productive terms than the American economy, already three times larger, and it’s larger overall in real terms in purchasing power parity.

 

So the point about it is we’ve passed the point where any of these actions America could take could really severely damage the Chinese economy. While, on the other hand, releasing a virus there could have caused devastating losses and could have really damaged the economy in a very much more effective way.

 

I mean, the truth is, trade issues don’t have the sort of impact of something that could have basically caused the collapse of the Chinese economy or the sort of lockdowns that could have inflicted on the Chinese economy would ultimately happen in the American economy.

 

And also, I’m not necessarily saying it was a sensible action to take, but I’m saying inflicting severe economic damage through a highly contagious, low lethality virus is exactly the sort of thing an experienced biowarfare expert would certainly consider. And the fact that America spent all those decades building up it’s biowar infrastructure means that some point somebody without even asking permission of Donald Trump might decide to use it.

 

Keith Woods: All right. Covid was a fear virus said: Those other Western countries didn’t push fear as a way to control their populations. They more or less used the well earned public trust to calm everyone. Couldn’t access debts just be explained by countries that push fear versus those that pushed calm. I have no idea what point you’re making there.

 

Ron Unz: I’m skeptical. I mean, we’re talking about basically a million Americans died over a couple of years more than previously died if things had gone on the same way. And the pattern of excess deaths seems very closely linked to the obesity of the country.

 

So I think those sorts of objective factors are probably much more likely than questions of fear or lockdowns or anything like that.

 

Keith Woods: Anonymous said Ron Unz versus Ron DeSantis. Who wins in one on one pickup basketball game winners crown king of Florida. May the best Ron win. All right, thank you, Anonymous. Some real high quality Superchats tonight.

 

Another anonymous said, does Ron Unz eat onions? You don’t have to answer that, Ron. Anonymous, why did left liberals in the USA and the EU fall in line to support lockdowns and other such measures which hurt their domestic economy if the attack was directed at China and Iran?

 

Ron Unz: Well, I think as far as I know, the whole thing is American lockdowns actually began right my own part of the country.

 

In other words, the first lockdown in the United States occurred in the San Francisco bay area and was organized by the public health officer of Santa Clara county.

 

In fact, she lives here in Palo Alto. America was suddenly faced with this spreading virus, and we didn’t have any kits, so we couldn’t even tell who was infected, but we knew it was invisibly spreading around the country. Nobody really knew what to do.

 

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In other words, Donald Trump and most of the people in his administration just said, oh, don’t pay any attention to it. It’s not a danger. It’ll go away by itself.

 

And yet suddenly there were more and more cases of people being infected in the Bay area and other parts of the country. I think what probably happened is these public health officers saw that China successfully stamped out the virus through the use of lockdowns in the city of Wuhan in the province of Hubei, and decided, well, if China had used lockdowns to stamp out the virus, the best thing we could try is something similar to that.

 

So, for example, the first lockdowns in the United States began here in the five counties of the San Francisco bay area. A day or two later, it spread to Los Angeles. A day or two after that, it spread to the rest of California and then New York City, New York state and other parts around the country until probably about half or two thirds of the country was locking down. The original lockdowns were intended to last only two or three or four weeks. The problem is they weren’t strict lockdowns.

 

In other words, China basically implemented extremely strict lockdowns in a few cities. To begin with, they stamped out the virus, and within a month or two, the country was back to normal again in the United States, because the virus was very contagious and the lockdowns weren’t at all strict or extremely strong. What ended up happening is the virus continued to spread. And so since the government didn’t really know what to do, they continued the lockdowns then going for weeks and months and for basically a year, or a year and a half.

 

And so the lockdowns ended up really being very ineffective. But they were ineffective not because I think in theory they would have failed, but they just were ineffective given the nature of American society. And it was simply impossible to have the very strict lockdowns that the Chinese had followed.

 

So, again, whether the lockdowns were a good idea or not at the time, I can’t really say, because they ended up failing. Maybe if they’d been done differently, they would have been more successful. But as it is, we ended up getting about 70 or 80% of the population infected despite the lockdowns, and we had a million excess deaths. So it’s not clear whether the efforts really ended up achieving much.

 

Keith Woods: All right. Yeah, this is kind of your last chance to send a Superchat, so if you want to go to Power chat, send them in. Did We Fall sent this on YouTube. I don’t know if you can see that. He said Unz Review and American Pravda are both essential reading. Does Ron foresee any great upheavals in the coming years? A Soviet collapse type event for the West where the system loses credibility and dissenting views prevail?

 

Ron Unz: Well, unfortunately, I think something like that has definitely been happening in the West. I mean, when you look at the tremendous loss of credibility in the American government and the American media, I mean, you know, 40 or 50 years ago, most Americans believed whatever the media and the government told them.

 

One reason, for example, with something like the JFK assassination, that there wasn’t much more of a backlash against what happened is the government, the elites, the media said it was a lone gunman, a random nut, and most people believed it. Most people accepted what the government told them. Even at the time of the 9/11 attacks, I think there was still a strong reservoir of belief in the government and the media.

 

But now we’ve reached the point. I mean, take, for example, the Covid epidemic. You have probably 20% to 30% of the American public that believes the vaccines are deadly and that the government or our elites want to kill them.

 

I mean, that’s much worse than, I think, almost any other country around the world. And it’s because the ruling elites in the United States, the government, the media, the corporations, most of the power centres have just been so dishonest for so long about so many important issues, that I think they’re undergoing the same tremendous loss of trust that was found in the last stages of the Soviet Union before the Soviet collapse.

 

I think when you look at some of the things going on in American society, or even, for example, the events right now going on in France, the protests in France, I think we’re seeing the West really undergoing much of the same disintegration that the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc underwent, 30 or 40 years ago.

 

In other words, I don’t know whether we’re at 1985 or 1987 or 1989 or 1991, but I mean, the degree of hostility towards the American government, or look, for example, the fact that we had a protest over the Donald Trump’s election. The fact that Donald Trump was elected president. Donald Trump, in my opinion, was an extremely flawed candidate, and I think most people would probably agree with that. He was opposed by 99% of the American media. He was massively outspent.

 

The other side spent billions of dollars more than he spent in his 2016 campaign, and he ended up winning the presidency despite all those tremendous handicaps. The reason he won is that the ruling elites of the United States, as exemplified in Hillary Clinton, were so tremendously hated, so tremendously disliked, so tremendously distrusted by the American public that people were willing to vote for a reality star like Donald Trump, over basically keeping things the way they are.

 

And in the case of, for example, when he was running for reelection, the fact that all the elites have to get together and ban him from social media, they have to ban any reports from Hunter Biden’s laptop, all those other factors. If not for those tilts on the scale, I think Trump probably would have been reelected despite the fact that there was such a massive effort on the part of all the unified elites to get rid of him.

 

So, I mean, the point is, when you have something like that happening in American political campaign, it just shows the tremendous hostility there is deep within the American public towards so much of the American leadership class, the American establishment, the Deep State, whatever you want to call it. And I think that’s getting worse rather than better.

 

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Keith Woods: All right, Imperious sent another Superchat. Very generous, Superchat. Thank you, Imperious. Always appreciate your contributions. He said:

 

“Should jews police their own regarding anti-White racism just as much as White people police their own regarding non-White racism? If so, how? Are words enough? Or should there be firings and fines and moderate jail time for incitement against Whites?

 

Ron Unz: Well, I mean, certainly one aspect of our website is that even though we cover a lot of controversial things, the fact that we have much more of an open discussion on jewish issues than most of the other alternative websites, I think, is one sort of important aspect of what we do now. The point about it is, I think the biggest problem we face on all these issues is the media.

 

So, for example, most people, their view of reality is constructed by the media. And if the media constructs a false view of reality, a distorted view of reality, the result is that people believe that they’re acting in a reasonable way when they’re actually not.

 

I mean, the perfect example is what I was saying in the aftermath of the George Floyd death.

 

I mean, there seems to be a lot of evidence that George Floyd died of a drug overdose and a lot of those other incidents of alleged blacks killed by the police in a wanton fashion.

 

I mean, the real stories are very different than what most people believe. But if the media portrays those incidents as being the random killings of innocent blacks by the police, it’s not at all surprising that you get a much higher rate of black crime, of black violence, of black attacks.

 

And so the media is the fault involved. In the same way, I think if more jews in the United States or the Western world became familiar with the true history of the last hundred years, rather than the media portrayed history, which portrays things in a very distorted way, their attitudes towards things would be very different.

 

In fact, a piece I’m just about to republish has to do with the famous case of Leo Frank, the ADL, which was the founding incident of the ADL.

 

In other words, we’re talking about an organization like the ADL. I would bet probably that the vast majority of people in the ADL, in its leadership, probably believe all of the propaganda that the ADL and similar organizations put out about the massive tide of anti-semitism, all of these horrible things that have been done to jews in the United States, around the world, some of which are true, but many of which are not true.

 

And so the point is, once we have a more realistic view of the history of the last 50 years or the last 100 years, I think by itself, that would cause many jewish individuals to take a much more reasonable approach to things than they do right now. Because they get their knowledge of the world from the same movies and TV shows that I think most other people do.

 

And it’s in many cases an extremely distorted view of the world, a view of the world that basically engenders a tremendous amount of hostility, most of which really should not exist.

 

And so that’s a very severe problem.

 

Now, the truth about it is that some of the criticism made against jews or organized jewish groups is correct. Some of it is not, but a great deal of it is correct. And once the facts are brought out, I think that’s the best way to have any chance at harmonious relationships between all these different groups in our society, including blacks and non blacks and jews and non-jews and other groups like that. So it’s a very difficult position. But I think the media and the false portrayal of reality by the media, by the academic community, is a large measure of the problem involved.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, it’s funny. Some people in the chat, like, thought you were going to dodge that question or something. They’ve obviously never visited the Unz Review guys. You should just check out the American Pravda series. It doesn’t exactly shy away from these issues.

 

Okay. Anan said:

 

“Hi. What is your opinion on Bitcoin and CBDCs?”

 

That’s the Central Bank Digital Currency.

 

Ron Unz: To be honest, I’m very skeptical of Bitcoin. It’s not something I’ve really paid much attention to or investigated, but I just don’t see why it’s worth the money it is.

 

In other words, basically, it’s mostly used by people who want to buy it because they hope it’ll go up in value.

 

In other words, it doesn’t really have an economic use. It’s not that people use it in transactions.

 

And in fact, given, for example, the energy cost involved, it’s reached the point where I think Bitcoin is very ineffective. It’s too expensive to use in ordinary transactions.

 

So that’s why some of the other crypto-currencies, I think, are more being used in that. But I should say I’m not an all expert in crypto-currency, and I was amazed when Bitcoin first became as valuable as it was, and I couldn’t imagine why it was going up. And I was not at all surprised when it went back down again. And now I know it’s gone up again a little bit the last few days. So I really don’t have a strong opinion on it.

 

But probably to the extent I do have an opinion, it’s probably much more to the conventional wisdom of someone like Jeffrey Sachs or someone like Paul Krugman, or someone like basically most of the leading investors, basically traditional investors just don’t think Bitcoin really makes sense as an investment, and I’ve never been involved in it myself.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, I agree with you.

 

I mean, I’m not exactly an expert on crypto, but everything Bitcoin can do, another coin can do better. If it’s digital cash, there’s things like nano that do instant transactions with no fees and barely any energy. If it’s privacy, it has no privacy. If it’s smart contracts, it doesn’t really have that.

 

So, I mean, yeah, it’s purely the network effect, which how long can that last? I just don’t really buy that it’s going to be like an infinitely expanding network. The richest man in the world has already bought it and dumped it.

 

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Ron Unz: Warren Buffett has been very critical of Bitcoin.

 

I mean, the truth about it is, if you remember about 15 years ago, there was a feeling that housing prices, the mortgage markets, were going up infinitely in the United States.

 

In other words, everybody was buying houses and speculating on houses because they felt housing prices could only go upwards. And the end result was the market collapse, and a lot of people lost everything they had.

 

And so it wouldn’t surprise me if the same thing happens with Bitcoin.

 

In fact, I think there was one claim that right now, the energy cost to produce a single Bitcoin is not that much lower than the lower end of what Bitcoin value was, at one point back maybe a few months ago or something like that, after one of those collapses took place.

 

So if at some point, obviously, the value of a single Bitcoin becomes lower than the energy mining costs of the Bitcoin that produced it, you could see a complete collapse in the Bitcoin market.

 

So, again, it’s not something I’d really rather stick to things where I at least have done some investigation.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, I do think crypto is around. It’ll get a lot bigger and there will be huge growth there. But I just don’t think it’s Bitcoin. I think Ethereum will flip Bitcoin and other coins will take over and eventually it’ll collapse.

 

Okay, I think this is the last Superchat, Mike said:

 

“Is the suppression of all the Chinese protests in 2019 sufficient motivation for China to have released the virus? At the time, it just seemed to me like it was the golden excuse for them to shut everything down?”

 

I do remember some people having that narrative that was like CCP pretence to end all the riots and anti-government protests and implement full authoritarianism.

 

Ron Unz: I’m very skeptical of that. I mean, the whole thing about it is the only protests I’m aware of really were in Hong Kong, which is not even really part of China proper, and Hong Kong is a very small postage stamp.

 

So, in other words, if the Chinese wanted to deploy heavy forces, they certainly could have stamped out the protests very easily to whatever extent they wanted. There were no protests anywhere else in China, and the clamp down, basically the lockdowns then were relaxed a month or two later, as soon as they said that, they’d stamped out the virus.

 

It was only last year or so, when the extremely contagious Omicron version got it leaked into China, that they had to have a series of lockdowns, which they finally gave up on and ended up letting the virus spread. And ended up I mean, probably like a million extra Chinese died probably in the last six months because of the spread of Omicron. But it would have been much more serious if the original Wuhan virus had been spread instead.

 

So, I mean, overall, I’m very skeptical of those sorts of scenarios, and I think probably what happened in China was exactly what the government said was happening.

 

In other words, they found this mysterious virus, whose lethality they weren’t sure of at the time, that was spreading very rapidly and threatened to infect the entire country and potentially kill many, many millions of Chinese. But the Chinese stamped it out very quickly in the city of Wuhan, in the provinces, and then life in China went back to normal.

 

So the funny thing about it is, six months after that, life in China was almost entirely back to normal everywhere in the country, while it was the West and America and other parts of the world that were suffering from these very severe lockdowns.

 

So I really am very skeptical of those sorts of complicated explanations. I don’t think the governments in either China or the West did anything other than what they claimed to do. It’s just that the Western governments did a poor job of stamping out the virus early on when they might have been able to.

 

Keith Woods: All right, well, that’s all of the Superchats. Yeah, we’ve gone, two and a half hours, so I do appreciate all your time, Ron. And yeah, again, I recommend everyone check out the American Pravda series. It’s great. I’ve been listening to them today. I need to catch up on more of them. Apparently, it had a big role in red pilling Nicholas Fuentes, I’ve heard him mention that.

 

Ron Unz: That’s great. And what I should say is that the side of the website, if you go to our basic website, there are sections, for example, there’s the Covid section, there’s the Public Health Vaccination section, and that has some of my articles grouped in those sections.

 

So if you’re interested in the Covid issues, going to that section basically contains those articles summaries and also the video clip of the ABC News report regarding basically what might be called the smoking gun of the Secret DIA Report, describing an epidemic in China before it actually happened.

 

Keith Woods: Yeah, and just in general, Unz is a great website to visit, Anyone that’s worth reading, Andrew Joyce, Michael Jones, all the sort of big names this side of things, you’ll catch what they write republished there.

 

So, yeah, this was great. Thanks for joining me, Ron. Thanks for everyone that Superchatted and tuned in and take care of one.

 

Ron Unz: Hey, thanks for having me.

 

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@johnnywesley7695
1 day ago (edited)
Unz is wrong about the 1965 Immigration Act. What the Act did is allow immigration through family-based sponsorship which in turn has turned into what we call “chain migration”. The 1924 Immigration Act severely restricted immigration. Then, the 1952 Immigration Act allowed for certain kinds of immigrants with a preference strictly from Europe. The 1965 Act got rid of non-European restrictions and allowed immigrants to come from everywhere, but it did put country quotas and a cap on green cards. As things improved in Europe, less Europeans moved to the US and more third world immigrants who had families already settled in America had them sponsor them for green cards. Once they received green cards, they would eventually become citizens and end up sponsoring other family members left behind — chain migration. Today, the top 10 countries where immigrants are coming from, zero European countries are even on the top 10 list. Mexico ranks number one, followed by China. The rest are Latin American countries, Central American countries, and rest Asian countries. So Unz claiming it reduced Latino immigration is entirely false. Just look up the data via Pew Research.
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@50centpb7
1 day ago
His take on this doesn’t seem to pass the smell test, just the intentions behind the 1965 immigration act were obviously not to reduce net migration. The complete opposite was true.
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@wangChung-on4kx
22 hours ago
This entire thing is a larp use critical thinking
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@nickmoser7785
21 hours ago (edited)
Also prior to the 1924 immigration act we had the Nationality Act of 1790 mostly limited access to U.S. citizenship to White Protestant immigrants from Western Europe—who had resided in the U.S. at least two years and their children under 21 years of age.
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@wangChung-on4kx
21 hours ago
@nickmoser7785 God Bless I love you, without Christ, we are just Jews
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@MichaelJohnson-ij5ei
21 hours ago
Am I wrong in thinking his woefully absurd take on this is purely determined by his chewish background? If everything was the same, except America was historically a chewish majority state, would he have the same take?
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@wangChung-on4kx
21 hours ago
@MichaelJohnson-ij5ei Kanye I love you j-wish (Christian ) God bless

@nickmoser7785
20 hours ago
@wangChung-on4kx wrong Judaism split from Christianity not other way around. Christianity is the religion of the old and New Testament
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@sergeytheweberian7064
15 hours ago (edited)
​ @MichaelJohnson-ij5ei Unz is tricky with this, sorta like Rothbard. In that he did call out The Lobby and tribe’s strong connection to Communism and censoring people to the right of neocons while also being a defacto civic nationalist. And i don’t think he is insincere about it. It’s just that people of his background have rather natural tendency to downplay ideas coming from ethnonationalist camp even when they come eventually to deconstruct the rest of leftist historical and political mythology.
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@kw8831
15 hours ago

@Sergey theWeberian I completely agree with your take. I just discovered Roy Unz several weeks ago so this has been on my mind recently. If you just read an article or two of his, you’d get the impression that he is the rarest type of Jew, a full blown based ethno-nat! but after reading many more of his works I kept getting off put by little things, & occasionally something major. It made much more sense after I discovered his heritage…
Not that his Jewishness necessarily makes him wrong or our foe. Roy Unz is not on our side & that’s okay, we should not expect that of anyone but ourselves. With that said some of his articles are brilliant and while he isn’t on our side he certainly isn’t on our enemies either. That’s fair enough to me!
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@magaelectrician657
11 hours ago
I don’t think he knew the audience he was talking to
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@glaucon7337
7 hours ago
It’s not complicated. He is saying that without it the Hispanic immigration rates would have been higher, not that it would be non existent. He explained it very clearly.
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@musphat3311
22 hours ago
His theories on the pandemic are genuinely intriguing and thought provoking
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@p.pingtam7253
18 hours ago
What you thought it was the evil chinese, bruh?
, clever boy.
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@pantsmonsterv6
1 day ago
Unz has done incredible work. Thank you!
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@LT-xb5su
1 day ago
Super excited to watch this. Two of my favorites
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@zonefreakman
1 day ago
I haven’t really read the Unz publication but I’ll give an open ear if Keith is willing to interview the owner of it. Starting off his immigration argument with saying that one of the biggest negatives of it is the economic problems that come with it is pretty milquetoast though. But I do like his perspective of having brought together people from the left and right on his website rather than being an echo chamber. I’m not sure if it will be effective long term but it’s something different.
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@cascadiapatriot7831

@cascadiapatriot7831
17 hours ago
It’s obviously in our faces everyday, on the streets, at work, in schools, at stores, in advertising, media, entertainment, and many other areas that the most serious problem with immigration is something other than economics.
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@k.k8291
1 day ago
Very interesting interview. I’ve always been curious about Ron Unz given his fantastic website (its comment section is of the highest quality I’ve ever came across).
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@bigolboomerbelly4348

@bigolboomerbelly4348
1 day ago
Totally rocking interview bros!! Im gonna start the new Ron fan club!
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@joeshmoe4656
23 hours ago
Everyone should check out Douglas MacGregor. Excellent analysis of the situation in Ukraine. He does a lot of interviews with smaller channels Keith, you should try and get him on!
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@brotherjamesstrang
21 hours ago
Didn’t know Unz was so soft spoke, very soothing.
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@UndergroundFriendly
13 hours ago (edited)
29:52 while discussing the subject of increasing amounts of black violence, Keith emphasizes the word “relaxed” followed by a distinct pause.
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@Andrew-cc4vk
9 hours ago
I caught that too

@rorschach6809
22 hours ago
The Pravda series is amazing. Great man
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@justinhoward218
1 day ago
Yes, fantastic work from Unz. Might need to be backed up on Bufferchute and Odysee l think lol
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@simonaguilar3646
1 day ago
Love the website. Unz’s own articles not so much.
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@goodmorningweimerica9741
13 hours ago
Excellent interview with Ron “in other words” Unz!
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@GaryHost-zb5jv
9 hours ago
I’m glad someone else picked up on this. In other words, I watched some of his talks after seeing Keith would be bringing him on, and noticed he uses the phrase a lot.
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@goodmorningweimerica9741
8 hours ago
@GaryHost-zb5jv yeah just seems like a tic or something. I notice a lot of intelligent people do something similar when speaking for long periods of time.

@thethinredline4714
1 day ago
I have been for someone from our sphere to interview Ron Unz and who better than Keith Woods
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@retter2critical
9 hours ago
This was Unz-Believable!
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@jewelcitizen2567
1 day ago
Wow… massive scoop kudos to you!
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@harryrichards4899
6 hours ago
Unz cheesin at keith is so funny
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@hansnielsen6280
1 day ago
Great stream, very interesting
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@indigo6981
9 hours ago
Great interview
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@MichaelJohnson-ij5ei
22 hours ago (edited)
He’s wrong about migrants not being on more welfare & not committing more crime.
Stats across the board, regardless of nation/continent of origin, show that migrants are more likely to be on welfare. Bearing in mind that there was a time (for most of American history), when America was developing into a superpower, that migrants & settlers received no welfare at all. Welfare + mass migration is just asking for an economic disaster for the common man.
Then in terms of crime, a lot of the migrants flooding into America are coming over the Southern border, & they absolutely do commit more crime. They may not have crime rates as bad as African Americans, but it’s still substantially higher than the White population. I think it’s typically double/triple the rate, & they’re far more likely to be involved in gang activity. Then you also need to factor in that plenty of jurisdictions are now counting Hispanics as Whites, so the true discrepancy is even worse in reality.
Regardless, it’s not even about economics or crime for me, they could all be model citizens waiting on us hand & foot & I still wouldn’t want them here. It’s about the social cost, it’s about self-determination. America as a European melting pot, despite some national frictions, worked because it was formed by people with racially & culturally/religiously similar backgrounds. It’s a lot easier for these people to be absorbed into the host race/culture after a generation or two. Whereas an Indian or Muslim will always consider his interests foreign to those of a White Christian background.
In some ways it is even worse when they’re more capable migrants, because then they have the ability to obtain power & naturally, as I just pointed out, their alien interests agitate against those of the host race. You see this all the time by any alien migrant with any sort of political or legislative power. They’re not thankful towards the host people, they’re only concerned about transforming the nation to reflect/protect their interests & identity, just like chews do. In fact, the way Unz talks about immigration, not even factoring in the social/dispossession cost, reflects his own chewish out-group background. In other words, if Unz was living in Israel as part of the host race, then I’m almost certain he would be factoring in this cost, & it would likely be his primary concern.
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@Leathal
18 hours ago
It’s clear that even the “good ones” see the native born population as essentially indistinguishable worker units that are no longer replacing themselves through reproduction and thus replacement through immigration is the only path that can be envisioned. It’s not their culture dying out. It’s not their standard of living decreasing. With one specific exception, nations have no purpose but to fill a prescribed role in the grander global machine
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@UndergroundFriendly
11 hours ago (edited)
the other thing he missed with regard to immigration and crime is that you tend to see much higher rates among the American born children of immigrants than their parents. they’re most often the ones who become gang members, etc.
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@crimson1453
5 hours ago
Thank you! This dude genuinely seems very misinformed.

@calengr1
1 day ago
2:17:10 trust level analogous to late USSR
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@louduva9849
1 day ago
Fascinating guy. I like Ron.
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@chrisandrews4927
18 hours ago
Glad you’re still around, Lou. Been making me laugh in the comment section for the better part of a decade.
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@marylamb1407
15 hours ago
Unz is like Makow. “Just as Noam Chomsky strategizes to neutralize leftist anti-semitism by making it seem that Israel is a client state of the U.S. and “neo”-conservatives fund and theorize and promote only those ‘conservatisms’ which lead to bigger government, and military action abroad in favor of Israel.
Makow works the crowd that has its eyes on the NWO. He concedes to small J**ish crimes to direct what would otherwise be a beneficial anti-J**aism which could free us, to a fictional and illusory entity, the Illuminati.” Wintermute. You notice how Ron blames a lot on the CIA but never mentions the Mossad. One would think they are seperate organizations.
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@MrTrenttness
8 hours ago

Thank you

@kirktuss4819
14 hours ago
Unz Review legitimizes the internet.
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@calengr1
1 day ago (edited)
2:22: 01 ADL :self perception and sense of history; 2:14:15 skeptical re crypto

@thevanillamaster8103
1 day ago
Unz was one of the first people who redpilled me early on
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@cwilliams6884
11 hours ago
proud monolinguist here, thanks ron

@yankeecornbread8464
9 hours ago
Presents a believable political explanation for why “1965” doesn’t do what we think it does, until one looks at before and after photos taken in metro areas. And not just there. Rural areas in the interior are now visibly different.

@thethinredline4714
1 day ago
I don’t agree with Ron on the 1965 immigration act
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@odyssey9707

@odyssey9707
23 hours ago
Its okay to disagree with someone, believe it or not.
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@donjuanmckenzie4897
22 hours ago
He has a point though
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@moma8518
20 hours ago
Can you explain why? He gave good reasoning and has evidence to back it up, can you refute the reasoning he gave?
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@thethinredline4714
19 hours ago
@odyssey9707 sure

@thethinredline4714
19 hours ago
@moma8518 look at America before and after 1965
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@bruno.6610
15 hours ago
@thethinredline4714

@Kevin-kb9nz
12 hours ago
To some extent its inevitable that a rich country will be flooded by a poor one when there is no or very little natrual barrier.
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@mooseolini1447
12 hours ago
​ @moma8518 I may misunderstand the finer details of the 1965 act and Ron’s arguement, so what follows is my very basic and probably flawed understanding.
As far I understand it, America’s immigration policy prior to the 1965 act, stressed that only “free white men of good character”, could migrate to the US and become citizens.
After the act was passed, anyone could potentially gain citizenship.
Ron is arguing that immigration was higher prior to 1965 and lower afterwards, without regard to the race of those immigrating.
Prior to 1965 only Whites would immigrate, afterwards, any race could immigrate.
I don’t know whether or not what Ron says is true, that immigration rates were higher before the act but regardless, I know which type of immigrant I prefer.
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@donjuanmckenzie4897
11 hours ago
​@Moose Olini His argument is that 1965 Act RESTRICTED Latin American immigration, and without it Latin American immigration would have been even higher than it has been
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@mooseolini1447
11 hours ago
@donjuanmckenzie4897 “Latin American” is a deceptive term. Latin Americans can be White, black, Mestizo, Castizo, Indio, etc.
If “Latin American” immigration was higher prior to 1965 than after 1965 (doubtful, honestly), then it would’ve been White ones who were taken in, as immigration policy at the time restricted citizenship to other races.
My point is that regardless of immigration rates, American immigration policy was superior prior to 1965 because it only granted access to Whites.
Ron seems to dismiss the relevance of racial considerations in his argument.
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@enjoful
9 hours ago

@DudeReturns-ty1bg
3 hours ago
Dude the critical drinker complains about ethnic diversity then reinforces it.
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@johnnywesley7695
2 hours ago
@donjuanmckenzie4897 It didn’t restrict Latin American immigration. 1965 Act opened immigration to any country through family-based sponsorship. As a result Mexico now is the number 1 country where family-based immigrants are coming from. China is second and India is third.
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@jmedlin81
22 hours ago
very ‘normie-tier’ COVID takes.. wild to hear people still speaking highly of the vaccine, and still speaking of COVID as if it’s a legitimate dangerous threat. I didn’t expect this chat to be so COVID dominated. As someone with several family members having had strokes and other lasting health issues just after the jab, I had to tune out.
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@p.pingtam7253

@p.pingtam7253
18 hours ago
I betcha Keith is jabberwocky’d.
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@cantankerouspatriarch4981
15 hours ago
Ron’s take on covid is strangely bluepilled. His views
on pretty much everything else are decently accurate.
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@ryanthompson3446
15 hours ago
Yep super disappointing, big yikes for me.
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@conoraq
9 hours ago
This isn’t Infowars, dunno how you ended up here but you’re out of your depth

@milan6555
9 hours ago (edited)
I am neither here nor there on the covid topic, but I know people who died from covid, who didn’t take vaccines. And no, they were not seniors. Does that mean the vaccine was not harmful to anyone? No, definitely not. But this topic is more complex. People on both sides are just obsessed with their one sided version of it and it’s tiresome.
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@magaelectrician657
1 day ago
Raising the minimum wage would reduce immigration??? He needs to flesh out this idea a bit more….this is bonkers
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@evanschulz7375
22 hours ago
Strict immigration policy and border enforcement/deportation would work better.
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@peenweinerstein9968
16 hours ago
At least it’s a palatable proposal to a modern government… not sold on its effectiveness tho

@magaelectrician657
11 hours ago
@evanschulz7375 seriously I mean wtf.

@UndergroundFriendly
11 hours ago
yeah, and he didn’t even explain that claim in any level of detail that supported his argument.

@Kevin-kb9nz
13 hours ago
Please do a follow up with his views
on the holocaust.
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@evolassunglasses4673
1 day ago
Very interesting. The only other person I have heard on the anti lab leak theory is Patrick Henningsen from 21st Century Wire (also presents UK Column on Fridays).
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@smashedpumpking

@smashedpumpking
1 day ago
Patrick’s great, excellent speaker. Really enjoyed his recent chat with James Delingpole
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@evolassunglasses4673
1 day ago
@smashedpumpking yes, I saw that. I’d recommend that, it’s on James Delingpole’s Odysee channel.
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@shayneswenson
23 hours ago
I love when he btfo’s Ukraine regime narrative enjoyers on Twitter spaces
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@chrishsmith451
1 day ago
Interview steve sailer next
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@thebrickton1947
1 day ago
Australia’s deindustrialisation, reduction in smoking, western diets and general affluence has contributed to the obesity epidemic, in my opinion, which is what I have seen, everyone was athletic in the 70-80s. Today, popular media promotes the obese clumsy father as an archetype, and the mass abide to the norm.
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@zonefreakman
1 day ago
Reduction in smoking and deindustrialization? I don’t understand how those things are supposed to contribute to obesity rates. True you have less appetite if you smoke, but there are plenty of obese smokers. It’s a non sequitur. The diets which you’ve mentioned too, is one of the biggest factors in the obesity epidemic, and a lifestyle of laziness. And I’m not sure how lack of industrialization contributes to obesity. Before industrialization most people were not obese, then some time after industrialization obesity rates skyrocketed with mass produced unhealthy food, and comfortable lifestyles.
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@nolanhardy3320
23 hours ago
@zonefreakman what he is referring to is post-industrialization, which outsources the industrialization of a nation without removing the abundance that comes with it. This way it is different than pre-industrial state of a nation, because prior to industrialization men had to still toil in the fields. In post industrial societies, you have mostly desk jockeys and great reduction in laborious jobs.
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@thebrickton1947
23 hours ago
@zonefreakman smoking surpresses appetite, before automation when aus was expanding and industrial, a large portion of the workforce did manual labour, it ‘road the sheeps back’, and realied upon agriculure and mining, and we had a domestic industry supplying goods to themselves. I have worked many of these roles, many of which are gone due to outsourcing to chinese slave labour
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@thebrickton1947
23 hours ago
@zonefreakman otherwise, I agree with all your points

@gabbyk1391
1 day ago
“The largest problem I see with immigration has been economic.”
This guy doesn’t get it. Not worth conversing with him after he says something as shallow as that.
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@cascadiapatriot7831

@cascadiapatriot7831
17 hours ago
It’s in his genes.
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@bruno.6610
15 hours ago
He’s jewish, c’mon be fair
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@milan6555
9 hours ago (edited)
Any kind of argument against it, is appreciated.

@gabbyk1391
7 hours ago
@milan6555 I’m at the point now where I don’t even argue or discuss with people on YT anymore. It always leads to nothing. If someone like you ever asks to be told why something blatantly obvious is the way it is they’re trying to prove something. You can find arguments against it all day if you wanted. You’re on Keith Woods channel friend. He has entire videos about this very topic. So where did you come from and what are your motives?
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@jmedlin81
22 hours ago
1:34:55 I worry when people take Pfizer, CDC, WHO etc at their word, regarding COVID causing the heart issues. It seems these heart issues are vaccine caused, and they’re being blamed on COVID.
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@make756perday

@make756perday
19 hours ago
“If you’re going through hell keep going.” -Winston Churchill
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@whatda7705

@whatda7705
1 day ago

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@MikeSmith-go8wk
18 hours ago
Unz fails to recognise that a mix of socialism and nationalism fixes everything. Therefore Unz fails.
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@Dixey71

@Dixey71
13 hours ago
Well he is Jewish
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@marylamb1407
14 hours ago
Honestly Keith this stream was a flop. Unz is as cutting edge as Chomsky. BTW both serve the same purpose, inking the waters of truth.
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@calengr1
1 day ago
2:09:50 China 3x USA in real goods

@dr.johnbarron746
23 hours ago
interesting man
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@matthewcarpenter3137
1 day ago
Wow big guest indeed.
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@marccroft3328
19 hours ago
Not saying he’s all wrong, but be careful, Keith – since you have apparently attracted these types
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@moma8518
19 hours ago
Types of what? Can you elaborate

@marccroft3328
18 hours ago
The 60% revealers & 100% diverters
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@KeithWoods
18 hours ago
Huh
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@bruno.6610
14 hours ago
@marccroft3328 What does Unz divert from?

@seapigbs4167
1 day ago
Why does Ron get so little heat?
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@satireofcircumstance6458

@satireofcircumstance6458
1 day ago
Don’t know. But it’s not like he and the contributers on his site pull their punches at all about the taboo subjects.
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@persiandrum9871
1 day ago (edited)
It’s a fair question. Some surmise that if the ADL and other hall-monitors bring any attention to Uno (especially his excellent article on Holocaustianity) it would only add to their ever-mounting problems. Others think that perhaps Ron is placed there as a relief valve. Who knows? Either way his American Pravda series, while not always on the money, is very worthwhile reading.
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@Leathal
1 day ago
He’s like Norm Finklestein on the left – neither are getting their doors knocked down for mainstream speaking engagements, but they’re both oddly allowed to freely speak on forbidden topics without repercussions. (Norm is strictly anti-Israel, he doesn’t discuss the ‘bunga and is mostly pro degeneracy but it’s certainly weird how he can casually drop hard r’s in interviews and such)
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@evanschulz7375
22 hours ago
Do a nose check.
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@cromartie1984
17 hours ago
and yet zemmour had lot of trials.

@marccroft3328
15 hours ago
Controlled opposition

@smittywarbenyagermangensen4860
21 hours ago
In other words, on the other hand
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@beatsbyjiro8291
16 hours ago
so funny ron is talking about american crime and woods is talking about crime being linked to immigration which is a european view, our biggest crime element has been here since the 1700s
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@ArilandoArilando
16 hours ago (edited)
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@gorillabiskut
1 day ago
Where Steve sailer at doe?

@ThomasBoyd-pe3wc
1 day ago
Based.
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@nathanhoskins
11 hours ago
My covid related comment got scrubbed FFS.
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@ryanthompson3446
15 hours ago
Rons c0vid take is cringe.
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@schoenengutentag
16 hours ago
Very interesting interview. But wow, the chat is just full of nonsense and “just so-” or “heard it from dude on bitchute”-opinions.
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@milan6555
9 hours ago (edited)
I hate to say it, but bever underestimate the grug element within the dissident sphere.
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@sniper6668
4 hours ago
The Giga-Jew

@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je
1 day ago
early life
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@dancooper4733
20 hours ago
Unz is jewish. That doesnt matter anymore, eh?
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@australiafair5926

@australiafair5926
20 hours ago
If you refuse to engage with any Jewish research/literature you won’t be able to participate in any public conversation. Just don’t take on a Jew as a moral/political guru/leader.
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@chrisandrews4927
18 hours ago
Honestly no, it doesn’t. Some people will give a nuanced answer involving making perfect the enemy of the good, optics, learning from your enemies, engagement with anyone outside of the “dissident right ghetto” is worthwhile, etc. I’ll give you the real answer- we already lost, our “fight” is over, so we might as well have interesting conversations with interesting people.
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@evolassunglasses4673
16 hours ago
He platforms Kevin Mcdonald.
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@odinsire3879
1 day ago
Based Jew
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@WakaWaka2468

@WakaWaka2468
1 day ago
Nah, the only truly based J was Bobby Fischer.
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@johnnywesley7695
1 day ago
No. He’s wrong about the 1965 Immigration Act
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@bruno.6610
14 hours ago
@WakaWaka2468 Otto Weininger

@odinsire3879
12 hours ago
Yeah, he is wrong about that. But overall he seems like a solid guy.
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@alaskantundrawolf8831
1 day ago
One of the good ones, like Eric Zemmour and Doja Cat.
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@ericmay4421
1 day ago
Unz is the best
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@Dixey71

@Dixey71
13 hours ago
Nah

@ericmay4421
12 hours ago
@Dixey71 Admittedly his voice can work your last good nerve.

@555Trout
22 hours ago
Weird dude. Fed sus.
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@Dixey71

@Dixey71
13 hours ago
He is Jewish
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Henrik Palmgren: Welcome ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for tuning into Red Ice TV. I’m Henrik. Always a pleasure seeing you. Thank you for spending some of your time with us today.

 

Our guest today is Kevin MacDonald. We are going to talk about, well at least initially, about a recent paper that was published back in January, actually. But it was by an Israeli-based academic journal called Philosophia, if I pronounce that correct. And the title of the paper was The Default Hypothesis Fails to Explain jewish Influence.

 

And, of course, if you’re not familiar with Kevin’s work. I think most of you are. But if you’re not, he’s behind The Occidental Observer, author of “Culture of Critique”, and many other titles as well.

 

Kevin. Welcome back to the show. Good to see you.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Hey. It’s great to be here Henrik.

 

 

Henrik Palmgren: Always a pleasure Kevin. Thank you for taking some time. So let’s begin with this then. We talked about this offline a little bit. And just the kind of absurd nature to this. And you know this as well as anybody, when it comes to this topic, that the problem is to actually manage to address something both in a serious, but also like in an academic way that people take seriously.

 

Because otherwise it just goes down the name calling route. It goes off into tangents which is irrelevant to the academic study that you’ve made of this topic. And, of course, it is taboo, right? We recognize that. And that is for a specific reason.

 

But let me begin with this Kevin. Let me read the abstract to the paper here real quick:

 

“The role of jewish activism in the transformative changes that have occurred in the West in recent decades continue to be controversial. Here I respond to several issues putatively related to jewish influence, particularly the default hypothesis, the jewish IQ and urban residency explained jewish influence and the role of the jewish community in enacting the 1965 immigration law in the United States. Other issues include jewish ethnocentrism, and intermarriage, and whether diaspora jews are hypocritical in their attitudes on immigration to Israel versus the United States.”

 

And it continues:

 

“The post-World War II era saw the emergence of a new, substantially jewish, elite in America that exerted influence on a wide range of issues that formed a virtual consensus among jewish activists and the organized jewish community, including immigration, civil rights, and the secularization of American culture. Jewish activism in the pro-immigration movement involved intellectual movements, denying the importance of race in human affairs, establishing staffing and funding anti-restrictionist organizations, recruiting prominent non-jews to anti-restrictionist organizations, rejecting the ethnic status quo as a goal, because of fear of a relatively homogeneous White majority and leadership in Congress and the executive branch.”

 

So take us through this a little bit Kevin here. The paper came about, of course, as a reply to Cofnas, right? I know you guys have been going back and forth on Twitter. And there’s been debates there.

 

But he published a paper called The Anti-jewish Narrative. And then you did this as a reply to that. And it did end up published, as I said, by this Israeli-based academic journal, Philosophia.

 

So tell us how that came about and do you know, why they accepted it, at least at first, righ? And then it was some back and forth.

 

[Added Image] Nanthan Cofnas.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, Cofnas’ paper came out in like about a year ago. Maybe a little more than a year ago. And yeah my first thought was, … Because the first time this happened, when he published an article in 2018. And I made these long replies. But I couldn’t get them published anywhere. The journal that published his article wouldn’t consider any reply for me. He had an article in Colette saying the same stuff. This was in 2018. And again they wouldn’t accept a reply from me. There was another one like that.

 

[Added images] See: Luke Ford with MacDonald Vs Cofnas On Culture Of Critique – Mar 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

But this time I just decided. Well, I’ll just ask. And so I sent an email to Philosophia, or however you pronounce it. And they said:

 

“Okay, yeah. Submit a reply.”

 

So I worked on this thing have and it went through two rounds of review. And it’s an academic paper. And the common thing for academic papers to send them out to the so-called peer review, or they send them out to other professors and they give their opinions on it. And it was nice. So I went through that. They had some criticisms. And I answered them.

 

And lo and behold, the editor accepted it. And so then it got published on January 1st, of this year.

 

And immediately there was a big controversy that came out. And they were going after the editor saying:

 

“How could anybody ever publish this thing?”

 

And they said they went crazy about it. And so right now on the website there’s this sort of warning label saying that:

 

“This paper has gotten very controversial. And so we’re going to send it out for further review.”

 

So they did send that out. And I got the reviews about two weeks ago. And they were extremely hostile! [laughter] All three of them. There were three reviews.

 

Henrik Palmgren: Big surprise, eh?

 

Kevin MacDonald: And they gave me one week to reply. And I begged for one more week. So I get a little time on this. And so I sent in my reply last week, about a week ago. And I haven’t heard back from them on that.

 

But they were extremely hostile. I mean, just calling me all kinds of names. And I didn’t think they have substantive criticism.

 

I mean, the problem with the second round of reviews was they basically didn’t have any substantive objections. What they would do is simply rephrase my ideas in a very invidious, you know, negative, crazy sounding, way:

 

“A conspiracy theory!”

 

You know.

 

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Henrik Palmgren: Yeah, I saw how they rephrased it. Like:

 

“This is what Kevin means, or what he talks about.”

 

Yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: And so that, I don’t know. We’ll see what they do with it.

 

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: But the jury is out on that.

 

But anyway, they have the paper itself.

 

Cofnas has this idea that IQ jews are smarter than the average. And so you expect them to be more common among intellectuals. And that explains why jews are so influential.

 

And I deny that. First of all, as I say there, that if you look at the activism in, … The main issue really, in the paper, is the 1965 immigration law showing, … Because that’s the only issue that really would, you know, defeat “The Culture of Critique”. It would really be a problem for me if they could get over that.

 

But the other thing is just looking at IQ, isn’t enough, because jews are smart. So I have a little section on it, beginning, … Where is it? Yeah, it’s like the section, the first section I guess, where I talk about the default hypothesis. And point out that jewish IQ is simply not enough. That for any level of IQ there are going to be more White non-jews than jews. So you take 120. Even though they’re more jews percentage-wise at that, jews are only two and a half, three percent of the population. So for any given level of IQ, there’re going to be more White people at that level of IQ. Or you take 130, 140, whatever it is. And there’re going to be more White people at that level.

 

So you can’t explain jewish influences by simply saying the jews are smart. Because they’re not really. There’re more White European Americans who have equally high IQ for any level you want to take, for IQ. So that just doesn’t explain it.

 

And yeah, I’ve got another other points there that oftentimes that, … This really angered a lot of the reviewers. Especially in the second round there. That I would say that these jewish movements will recruit non-jews as a sort of “window dressing”. I used the term “window dressing” actually in “Cultural of Critique”, in Chapter Three. And I had specific examples of that.

 

And I was actually an example of that back when I was a student at a big anti-war rally. I was on the Left. I knew all these jewish guys and roommates in the whole thing. And they asked me to give a talk on how this guy from a small town in Wisconsin came to be involved in the anti-war movement. And I was there to be the sort of the “goy” [Henrik laughs] who had his head screwed on, right? Had become a Leftist. So anyway, …

 

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah, because usually I hear this Kevin, that it’s like:

 

“Well, if jews were influential and stuff, they would be the President.”

 

Or kind of topical things like that.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah.

 

Henrik Palmgren: But as an example you just break down, because in our day and age we’re super obsessed, not us, but like the culture in general, unfortunately, about percentages. And like, how many people are represented based on the numbers and stuff like that. I mean, now we’re getting in overdrive, because we’re living in an anti-White age.

 

So, for example, despite the fact that blacks are only about twelve percent of the US population, in TV media, advertisements, and stuff, they’re like way over a percentage right.

 

But look at something like Biden’s cabinet, for example. Jews are severely over-represented in Biden’s cabinet. One percent of the population, but about fifty percent of the cabinet! I think one or two have quit. But there’s some new ones that come coming and stuff right.

 

Like okay, well why is there such an over-representation then, if everything is supposed to be according to how the number parses out, the percentages [chuckling]. How do you explain, just because you don’t have a President doesn’t mean you don’t have influential and powerful people in positions of power that can advocate. Whether that be for themselves as a group, or whether there’s for a specific, you know, political objective.

 

Kevin MacDonald: That’s right. Yeah. The fact is the jews are wildly over-represented in pretty much any position of real power in this country.

 

If you look at the media, massive over-representation!

 

You look at the academic world. I have another paper on that, which I actually reference in this paper. And what I argue there is that jews are, especially in the 1960s, came to the fore in the academic world. And they were much to the Left of the average professor at that time. But that’s exactly the time with the rise of the jews in the academic world. Especially in the most elite colleges, like the Ivy League universities. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, all of them.

 

The academic world’s a top-down institution. The professors at Harvard had much more influence than Professors down the line. In fact, the Professors at Harvard and other Ivy League schools, they train graduate students in these other areas. Their Phd students go to Berkeley, or University of Wisconsin, or University of Michigan, or something like that. And then at the University of Wisconsin, those graduate students go down to the lower level. The Wisconsin State University, or California State, or whatever. And so it go trickles down like that.

 

And so academic schools are very hierarchical. And so you when you take over the top level you sort of got it under control!

 

And, of course, during the 1960 was a time when you established all these ethnic studies departments. When sociology became, it was liberal. But then it became radical! And it started being really influenced by Marx.

 

I was in philosophy, you could see that the transition at the time. I was an undergraduate in philosophy. And I went to graduate school in philosophy. And I actually talked about, … Well I talked about that in an article. I wrote that you could see the transformation of the department. That almost all the hires, the young professors that were hired, were jews. And the chairman of the department was jewish.

 

It was really an interesting sociological thing. And then I’ll just never forget watching one of these older, you know, non-jewish guys who just retired. He’s at the medical center, and probably not in good health and everything. And I just sort of felt sorry. But what they did was like the changing of the guard.

 

Henrik Palmgren: Right. Yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: And now you had these young jews. And they were all on the Left. And they were radical! And they came from the best institutions. Just like I was saying. If you’re a Oxford Phd, you go to University of Wisconsin, you could be a professor. So Harvard and that kind of thing.

 

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah, exactly. So if you can summarize for us how does that work. What happened there? [chuckling] If you can you boil that down for newcomers to your work and stuff like that. I guess get to the essence both of your paper, of course, but also the main study that you’ve done over the years. So, how do we explain it Kevin?

 

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Kevin MacDonald: How do you explain, sorry?

 

Henrik Palmgren: Basically how do we explain that so many jews ended up in the position that they did? It’s obviously down to the thing of ethnic interest, right? That they have a group interest here, which is about advancing their own group, and their own interest of the group.

 

Kevin MacDonald: That’s right. I mean, and the whole thesis of “Culture of Critique” is that IQ is important. And they are smarter on average. But only on average. And again, if you look at the numbers, there’re more, far more non-jews than jews. And an IQ, say about over 140, I came up like seven to one. So you can’t explain this by IQ. But you can certainly start to explain it with ethnic networking.

 

And what that means is that you promote other jews. And you cite them. You view them as leaders, and gurus! So one of my ideas in “A Culture of Critique” is what I call the “guru phenomena”. Where you have a guru like Freud, or Franz Boaz, or Horkheimer, or the Frankfurt School. These people were central figures that were looked up to and idolized. Trotsky’s a good example.

 

And they were then seen as by other jewish intellectuals, or political activists as, they would sort of gather around and soak up his wisdom. And so there was all this mutual reinforcement, mutual ethnic networking, mutual patting on the back. [chuckling]

 

Henrik Palmgren: Right. Yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: And initial hiring! So you could see that in Wisconsin. Once the jews got in they started hiring their own people. And pretty soon the whole department’s transformed. And that is sort of written large is what happened I think to the American academic establishment.

 

But then when it comes to media, it’s a little different. Because there, so much of it involves ownership. But even in the 1930s jews had a very disproportionate ownership of media. The New York Times, NBC Broadcasting. And CBS then became jewish. And all the big networks. So the ABC.

 

So that by the 1950s – I mentioned this in the paper – by the 1950s, all the television networks when I grew up were three networks exactly. We didn’t have cable, or any stuff. All three were owned by jews!

 

And there was a big push after World War II by Frankfurt School people. There’s a great paper by Andrew Joyce about this. I mean, something I overlooked pretty much, but he got into how these jewish activists that were associated with the Frankfurt School. You definitely recognize their names. But what they got into, which was really influencing the media! And the basic message was:

 

“Race does not exist.”

 

It was the whole Boasian anthropology, that race does not exist. That the worst thing in the world is White people, who are ethnocentric. And if you are ethnocentric it’s a sign of some kind of pathology. You had bad parent-child relationships. You are inadequate personality wise. You’re envious of other people. They’re all kinds of explanations that these people came up with. And they’re all nonsense! They’re not based on any kind of data, really. But they satisfy jewish interests.

 

And the entire jewish community was much to the Left. And even, whatever occupation, jewish businessmen tend not to be as radical as jewish sociology Professors, or something. [chuckling] But they are to the Left of non-jewish business people.

 

And there’s a big push now for your sort of social responsibility in business. And these people like the guy, I guess named Larry Fink, from Blackstone, …

 

Henrik Palmgren: Blackrock. Yeah, Blackrock.

 

Kevin MacDonald: Yeah, and Mark Benioff, Salesforce. They’re like big push for social responsibility in business. And so the the fact is now, … I mean, when I was growing up businesses tended to be conservative, to the Right of the people as a whole. But business has really been another area that’s been taken over by the Left. And so your big corporations, Coca-Cola, all those, all sorts of big internet companies, social media, all on the Left.

 

Walt Disney. When I was growing up was run by Walt Disney. And he was very conservative. He was probably an anti-semite. [Henrik laughs] Because the jews tried to take away his company many times.

 

Henrik Palmgren: Right. Yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: But after he died, guess what? They ended up with it. And it’s been run by jews for a long time. And it’s very liberal. And now you look at the movies and stuff that Disney puts out. They have some for children and some for adults and all that. But even the movies, the cartoons, directed at children are very much on the Left, when it comes to race, and White privilege, and centering black people and all that kind of stuff.

 

So yeah, our world’s been transformed. And we have to understand that. And what really gets me is like someone like Cofnas comes along and:

 

“Oh! It’s always like jews!”

 

And that sort of explains it. I heard other people say:

 

“Oh, it’s modernism!”

 

Oh yeah! Right! I mean, the world’s been into a modernist state where we have industrial cars, pretty advanced technology, even by say 1940, when you had fascism in Europe. And you had a very different culture in America, very different attitudes.

 

You have to remember America did pass the 1924 Immigration Law, that was very much biased towards northwestern Europe. Was supposed to reflect the population, the percentage of the population as they existed in 1921, and then went down to 1890. So when you think about the population of the United States in 1890, it was overwhelmingly northern European!

 

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: They did not want, you know, they certainly, … There was some concern about Italian immigrants. Because they were different. They tended to come from the south of Italy. And that’s where you see the Mafia, and all this sort of familism that really is not good. And it’s very different from northern Europe. That’s a big thesis in my book on Western family structure and everything.

 

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But the big problem really was Eastern European jews. They came from Poland, and other areas in Eastern Europe. And they were radicals! They were either especially, you know, Marxists.

 

When the Soviet Union was established in 1917, they were entirely on board! I mean, almost the entire American jewish community was entirely on board with the Bolshevik revolution. And it’s no surprise that the atrocities are horrible! The mass murders, and torture, and everything else that happened in the first decades of the Soviet Union, was completely covered up in the American media. These people had never heard about it. It was covered up. And the far Left continued with the jewish community.

 

If you look at the 1950s, … You know, I grew up in the 1950s. [chuckling] And you think of it as this sort of golden age. And it sort of was for me growing up. Because it was really nice, peaceful it seemed.

 

But under the surface there was this massive cultural battle going on! And Joe McCarthy famously holding these hearings in Washington. He was a Senator from Wisconsin, 20 miles down the road from where I lived. And he had these hearings to expose the communists in the State Department, and other areas of government. And a high percentage of the people he brought before his committee were jews! And the American jewish community was very uptight about it, because they were so overrepresented.

 

And so at that time the American jewish community was all in favor of free speech. Well things have changed since then. And now the American jewish community is entirely on the board with censorship. Anything they don’t like. Which means anything like the sorts of things that we would love.

 

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah, it’s completely changed the attitudes in the environment. And again it was just free speech and all. It was just used as long as they could take control and dominate! Then it’s like:

 

“Ah! Democracy is not so great anymore! We have to do all these things!”

 

Kevin MacDonald: Exactly! , you know, they have got no principles here!

 

Henrik Palmgren: No!

 

Kevin MacDonald: It’s just jewish interests!

 

Henrik Palmgren: It’s because it’s about winning! It’s not about being principled!

 

Kevin MacDonald: It’s about their interest and nothing more! And people don’t get that! I think a lot of White people really are principled. And you see these conservatives, they’re principled to a fault.

 

Henrik Palmgren: To a fault, yeah.

 

Kevin MacDonald: They have principles for democracy, freedom, for you all these things that they mouth all the time. And they don’t seem to care about the consequences in the real world! Like immigration! They don’t seem to care, or be aware that this is going to submerge the Republican Party.

 

So there could be no hope for real conservatism in the future, anything like it was 50 years ago, with this immigration. But they don’t care! They just like the principle. Or else it’s just profits.

 

But yeah, these jewish organizations have no principles. And it’s really, if you look at jewish ethics, it’s the same sort of thing. It’s whatever is good for jews.

 

There are no general principles that apply both to jews and non-jews, despite what you read on Wikipedia. By the way, [scoffing] they have a page on jewish ethics! And it’s like fantasyland! [Henrik chuckles]

 

If you look at actual jewish writing on ethics over the centuries, there’s a great big difference if a jew killed a goy, or a non-jew, versus killing a jew, or stole from a non-jew, versus a jew, and a slave who is a jew, versus, … Anything like that.

 

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