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Mark Collett

Is the Electoral Route a Dead End?

Fri, May 10, 2024

[In this video Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British nationalist movement, Patriotic Alternative, says:

“An in-depth explanation of why UK electoral politics is so difficult for nationalists to conquer. From the system of voting to the media’s power – what is holding back change in the UK and how did successive nationalist parties fail?”

Contents:

1. Mark welcomes viewers to livestream to discuss if elections are a dead end for nationalists.

2. First-past-the-post system leads to two party domination and minority governments.

3. Tactical voting is common as voters fear their preferred party won’t win.

4. In 2015 UK election, Conservatives won majority with 36.9% while UKIP got 12.6% but only 1 seat.

5. Collett recalls campaigning and seeing promotion of tactical voting.

6. Two party system creates nearly identical “centrist” parties.

7. Voters flip between two main parties every 10-15 years.

8. Media only covers two main parties and controls debates.

9. Outsider candidates attacked, insiders given soft interviews.

10. System makes it very difficult for smaller parties like nationalists to win representation.

11. BNP initially succeeded in 2002 due to electoral quirk putting all seats up for election.

12. BNP went on to win by-elections with large activist efforts.

13. In 2004 BNP expected to do well in EU election but UKIP took many of its votes.

14. After this BNP went into decline.

15. Terrorist attacks and arrests of BNP leaders brought attention back to party in 2005-06.

16. BNP had peak success in 2006, becoming official opposition in Barking and Dagenham.

17. BNP started losing seats in 2007 as other parties focused on defeating it.

18. Richard Barnbrook elected to GLA in 2008 with 5.4% vote for BNP.

19. Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons elected as MEPs in 2009.

20. In 2010 general election, BNP councilors wiped out except Brian Parker.

21. Former BNP candidate Chris Beverley loses seat in 2010 despite tireless campaigning.

22. BNP goes into tailspin after 2010 election.

23. By 2014 only Nick Griffin and few councilors remain from BNP’s peak.

24. Reflections on BNP’s brief success of 57 councilors, 1 GLA member, 2 MEPs.

25. Tensions grew within BNP as it declined after peak.

26. Nick Griffin’s appearance on Question Time in 2009 was a turning point for the worse.

27. Collett believes Griffin was underprepared and ignored advice.

28. Griffin’s poor performance on Question Time scared away middle-class voters.

29. After Question Time and 2010 election, BNP rapidly disintegrated.

30. Collett doesn’t lament dedicating his youth to BNP despite only to see all progress lost.

– KATANA]

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Hello everybody. Good evening and welcome to tonight’s stream. We are live in all the usual places. That means we’re live on Dlive. That means we are live on Odysee. That means we are live on Rumble. That means we are live on Entropy, and we should also be live tonight on BitChute. They just started a streaming service, but I’m not sure whether that’s going to work. I’ve put all the stuff in correctly, but they might be having a few teething problems and I have a couple of struggles setting up the stream.

So it’s not live there. I apologise to anyone who wanted to watch it live there. I’m sure I can work out teething problems in the future. I can’t really do that on tonight’s stream live, though, because it’s just me, obviously.

So because of that, if you are hoping to watch live on BitChute for the first time ever, unfortunately that might not be able to be happening. And if it’s not, my apologies.

Anyway, we’re obviously live and tonight’s stream is about elections. Are elections a dead end for nationalists? Can we win via the electoral route?

Well, before we get into that, at the end of the stream, we are going to do a Q&A.

So if you want to ask questions, you can send Superchats. You can send Superchats via Entropy or Odysee. Anything that you donate is very, very gratefully received.

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Now, before we get into it, I’ll ask one more small favour. If you can, if you’d like, please drop a like on the stream. Please give it a share. I think this is a very important topic, so I think it’s something that people will probably enjoy. Well, I hope they do because I’ve prepared this thoroughly.

[02:35]

Now, before we start the stream and we go into all the things I want to talk about tonight, I’m going to first talk about what the stream isn’t. This stream is not an opinion piece. It’s not my opinions on whether we can win via the ballot box or whether we can’t. That’s not what it’s about. I’m here to present facts or try to present facts and evidence that illustrate the way the system works and how the system is not conducive to smaller parties winning.

In fact, the system is not conducive to anything other than the two party sort of oligarchy that we see at the top. And I want to talk about that and present facts and evidence.

So I’m not here tonight to tell you what to do. This isn’t me firing up the stream and saying:

“I don’t want you guys doing this or you guys shouldn’t do this or you shouldn’t spend your time campaigning this way. You should spend your time campaigning this way!”

That’s up to you, really. I want to present facts and evidence and I want you guys to look at those facts and evidence and you can decide for yourself how you spend your time.

If you want to go out there pounding the streets, putting out leaflets, boom! That’s up to you and that is absolutely your prerogative.

If, however, you watch the stream and you say:

“Mark, that adequately explains exactly why we have this problem with the democracy and why it doesn’t work. And I want to do community building, I want to help purchasing land with a Woodlander. I want to go and maybe move to a village in Italy where we’re buying an entire village out and we’re going to live there as a group.”

Whatever you choose to do, that’s up to you. I’m just here to present the evidence. Obviously, I know what I’m going to do. People know what I’m in favour of, it’s not here to shill for what I’m in favour of, it’s here to help you make an informed decision.

Now, finally, something else.

This isn’t going to be. I don’t want to move into the sort of realm of conjecture.

Now, a lot of people, when we talk about the electoral system, they start immediately saying things like:

“Oh, you know, they steal the votes, they take the votes, they open the ballot papers, it’s all rigged! It’s all done behind, you know, closed doors when those ballot boxes leave the voting booth, it’s all tampered with and by the time they get to the count, everything’s changed, etc. Etc.”

Well, I actually can’t prove that now. I’m not saying that doesn’t happen, I’m not saying that that’s never happened. I’m not saying that voting isn’t rigged in that way. I’m certainly not saying there isn’t a criminal conspiracy against our people. But I can’t prove that. I can’t prove that. I have no real evidence for that.

And fundamentally, because I don’t have evidence for it, I’m not going to present that as something tonight.

[05:29]

So if you’re coming here hoping for me to tell you what to do or to tell you about some grand conspiracy where votes are being stolen or ballot boxes are being opened or votes are being poured out into a river or burnt or replaced, I’m not going to give you any of that I’m going to talk about things that we can all agree on or verify that are visually observable. This is about the visually observable reality around us.

So why am I doing this stream? Well, I’m doing this stream to explain to nationalists why nationalist parties perform badly. And this is a question that people keep asking. I get people asking me all the time, why? I’m going to talk about a guy now that I like. He emails me a bit and I remember last year he was emailing me saying:

“It’s the time. There’s a feeling in the air, this is the time. People are now going to vote. Things are going to change. Everyone’s going to go out there and vote. Things are different now. We need to get on the ballot papers. Nationalist candidates are going to be elected left, right and centre. The time is now!”

And I said to him, I think you’re overestimating what’s going to happen. I think you’re off the mark on it for a number of reasons. I’ve got my reasons for saying that. And this guy is a really great guy. He wrote back to me a few days ago saying:

“You know what? You were right. Nationalists weren’t elected left, right and centre.”

And people then ask, why. Why when everything is so bad? Why when there’s record numbers of migrants? Why when the economy’s, you know, at a low? Why when there’s record inflation? Why when the Tories are so unpopular? Why when the LGBT agenda is being pushed down everyone’s throat? Why when all these horrible things are happening, are people still voting for the parties that rubber stamp all of this? Why aren’t people voting in nationalists left, right and centre?

Well, I intend to answer that question in a way that you guys are going to understand, and that will maybe help you guys either point people towards this stream or maybe you could articulate these points that I’m about to make to your friends and family. So I’m hoping this will be educational, helpful, maybe fun as well. [chuckling] It’s going to go on maybe for an hour and a half, 2 hours. It’s just going to be me.

So I hope you’ve got your cup of tea, your can of Red Bull, whatever you like, your glass of water. I’ve got my Red Bull. It’s half done already, but I’ve got a nice cool drink at the side of me because it’s a warm evening.

[08:00]

So let’s get into this. Now if you saw my initial advert for this stream, I broke things down into a number of different categories, categories that hopefully will allow you to follow my train of thought and to explain things. And when I’ve explained everything, I want to put everything into a historical perspective as well.

So I’m not just going to give you my thoughts. I’m not just going to go through all this and present the evidence. After I’ve done all that, I’m hoping that we can put all of this into perspective.

So first I’m going to talk about the electoral system. I’m going to talk about the First Past the Post system, how it tends to produce a two party system. I’m going to talk about the media’s role, I’m going to talk about safety valve parties. I’m going to talk about turnout.

When we’ve discussed all those things, I’m going to do a breakdown of recent nationalist results. Then I’m going to talk about historical perspective, about the one party that did do well in elections and that was the British National Party. And when I’ve done that, I’m going to briefly touch on why things are different in Europe or why people suggest things are different in Europe and then we’ll do Q and A.

But first things first. Let’s talk about the electoral system itself.

And I’m going to start by talking about the First Past the Post electoral system and why the First Past the Post electoral system fundamentally is not a system of representative democracy. And I know what you’re saying:

“Well, Michael Gove said, if you say this, you’re an extremist!”

No, I’m a guy who’s giving you facts.

Now the First Past the Post system is what the vast majority of British elections have run on. First Past the Post applies to county councillors, city, district, borough councillors. They’re the vast majority of elected positions in this country.

And finally, it also applies to your general election candidates. They’re your big ones, they run Parliament. They ultimately have the say in how the country’s run. And First Past the Post is quite simple. Each area, whether it be a constituency, or a council ward, people go to vote and the candidate with the most votes wins. And immediately, that sounds fair. That sounds wonderful! And you might be thinking to yourself:

“What are you talking about here, Mark? How is this not fair? We go to the polls and people vote and the candidate who gets the most votes, he’s elected. That’s democracy!”

Well, let me explain why this is not a representative democracy. First and foremost, if you do not vote for the candidate who wins, your vote effectively becomes meaningless.

Now, let me illustrate with an example. Well, not an example. This is sort of an abstract of how this works.

[11:08]

So if you have ten candidates standing for election, and one of those candidates, just one of those candidates, gets 11% of the vote, and all other candidates get an equal share of the vote, an exactly equal share of the vote. The candidate with 11% is returned. He is the winner! Let’s say it’s a Parliamentary ward. He goes to Parliament, he is your Parliamentary representative. That means only 11% of the people who voted have representation in Parliament.

In fact, 89% of people who voted in that constituency are not represented, their views aren’t represented.

And in fact, they voted against. The vast majority voted against the guy who’s in power. That is a shocking indictment of this system!

But it gets worse. Let’s say the turnout was 50%. That means it wasn’t 11% of people who are being represented. It means 5.5% of people actually have representation in Parliament, and 94.5% of the people in that constituency didn’t vote for the person who’s representing them. And a huge number, the people who did, voted against him. That sounds pretty bad, but believe it or not, it gets even worse!

Because we’re talking here about people who are on the electoral register. They’re the only ones that appear in those statistics. And we don’t know how many people aren’t on the electoral register. There are plenty of people who aren’t even registered to vote. And if you’re not registered to vote, you still exist. You still have wants, needs, desires, you still require some form of representation.

So, in fact, you have a guy in this case, going to Parliament with 11% of the popular vote, 5.5% of the electorate voted for him, and that number is shrunk even further by an indeterminable factor, because not everyone is registered to vote. That is how the First Past the Post system works.

The First Past the Post system works in a way that fundamentally does not give representation.

Now, I know what you’re thinking:

“Look here, Mark, maybe that works like that in your abstract, but how does it work in the real world? You know, surely it’ll work like that in some cases.”

Yeah. People sometimes get elected with, you know, 30% of the vote, and sometimes people get elected with 40% of the vote:

“But surely when you take things on a national level, these things even out, and it works out.”

No, it doesn’t! It doesn’t work out at all!

So we’re going to take an actual real world case study now. And we’re going to take the 2015 general election, because the 2015 general election is a great example, and it’s one you will all remember. It’s in recent living memory, very recent memory. And you guys will remember it for a reason. Hopefully. Hopefully, you will remember this election for a reason.

So the Conservatives got to power with a majority. They won 330 seats. There’s 350 seats in Parliament. They had a five seat majority, they took 330 of the seats in Parliament, and they got there with a 36.9 percentage share of the vote. So if we’re rounding that up to 37%, that means 63% of people who voted, voted for other parties voted against the Conservatives, effectively. So here you see the effects of the First Past the Post system.

The First Past the Post system creates these minority governments, because although it was a majority, it didn’t have the majority of the support. This wasn’t a 50, 60% of people voted Conservatives. No.

[15:43]

Now, if you said to the public, well, the Conservatives won the general election with a majority in 2015. And I said:

“And if you said to them, what percentage did they take nationally?”

I think people would say:

“Oh, maybe 50%, maybe 60%.”

No! 36.9% of the vote, and they took 11, 300. Sorry, 11 million 334, 726 votes. Labour took 30.4% of the vote and they took 232 seats. And that worked out at 9, 347, 324 votes.

But let’s look a bit further down. The party that came fifth were Nigel Farage’s party at the time, which was UKIP at the time. He obviously left UKIP, but at the time, he was the leader of UKIP. UKIP took 12.6% of the vote. They took 3, 881,099 votes.

Now, to the people in the chat, do you know how many seats they won? One! They won one single seat! One single seat. How crazy is that? Nearly 4 million people voted for them. They got just over a third of the share of the vote that the Conservatives did. But the Conservatives took 330 seats! And UKIP took one. And it wasn’t really a UKIP seat, it was a conservative defector who basically got re-elected off the back of the fact that he was a longstanding MP in his area.

So that tells you a little bit about the way the system is stacked. That tells you a little bit about the way the First Past the Post system does not result in representative democracy, but in fact results in a government that has a minority share. It doesn’t have a majority. Not of the voters, anyway. And a party that takes a third of the vote that the winning party took, ends up with virtually no representation gets one seat. One seat compared to the Conservatives, 330 seats.

So this illustrates immediately that the First Past the Post system is broken. It’s not really representative. Not only is it not representative, it allows for minority representation. And I’m using the word “minority” because we’ll come back to that. I think you can guess where we’re going with that word.

So what does this lead to, then? Well, it leads to a situation where people vote tactically, and by voting tactically, people will look at the spread and say:

“I don’t want to waste my vote.”

And you must have heard this before. Anyone who’s been involved in politics, and I’ve been involved in politics politics pretty much more than anyone on the sort of quote, unquote, “dissident”. Right. And by that, when I say involved in politics, I mean I’ve been involved in campaign politics. I was involved in more council election victories and more electoral wins than probably anyone else in this country ever.

[19:21]

Because if I wasn’t directly involved in the campaign, which I was often, I was the guy who did the leaflets. I was the guy that did the leaflets for the MEPs who won. I was the guy that did leaflet for Richard Barnbrook. I was the one who designed all the propaganda for the Barking and Dagenham campaign, where we won twelve councillors and we won overnight. And I have canvassed in the West Midlands, I’ve canvassed in Yorkshire, I’ve canvassed in the northwest. I’ve been all over the country, so I’ve seen this!

But if you’ve spoken to anyone, you will have seen and heard these things, too. You will have heard exactly what I’m saying now.

“It’s a wasted vote! I didn’t vote for you because it’s a wasted vote!”

And I’ve heard that thousands and thousands of times:

“This is a wasted vote. I’m not wasting my vote. I’m not voting BNP because it’s a wasted vote!”

That’s what people used to say. And I’d say:

“What do you mean, a wasted vote?”

“So you’re only going to get 5%. So what’s the point in voting for you? You can’t win! I want Labour out. You can’t win. So if I vote for you, I’m helping Labour. So I’m going to vote for the Tories.”

And I heard that in other places, but the opposite way around:

“You can’t win, and I want the Tories out. So rather than giving you 5.1%, I’m going to throw my weight behind the next biggest party to try and unseat the party I don’t like.”

People are very aware of this. People are aware of not wasting their votes.

And I remember the first time I went to vote, I looked down the ballot paper, it was actually for a European election, and I saw Conservatives and I thought:

“Oh, should I vote for those? And I saw you. I think I’m going to vote for them instead!”

And I saw the BNP logo. I was like:

“I’m voting for them. I’m voting for the BNP!”

And I voted BNP.

And I was really happy.

And even though the BNP didn’t win, I thought:

“Well, I’ve put my tick in the right box and people are going to see if enough people vote BNP, that there are people out there who do want change, there are people who want an end to migration, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.”

But it doesn’t work like that. If you’re not voting for a winning candidate, your vote doesn’t count, as we just said. So people say:

“Don’t waste your vote. Don’t vote for a party that can’t win. You should only vote for a party that can win! Vote for the party that can get the party that you don’t like out of power!”

There’s this desire to be on the winning team, a desire to create change. And people understand. You see, the electorate, nationalists often say:

[21:50]

“Oh, the electorate is stupid! The electorate don’t know what they’re doing. They’re idiots!”

That’s not true. The electorate do understand that. If you’ve ever knocked on doors, they will throw this in your face:

“You’re a small party, you’re not going to win! Why would I waste my vote on you?”

And I’ve knocked on so many doors. I’ve heard that, I’ve tried to argue with these people. I’ve said to them:

“Well, if you don’t vote for change, at some point you’re going to end up with these same two parties.”

And they’re aware of that. But the wasted vote is a big, big issue. Tactical voting is a big issue.

And this leads to this horrible situation where people are voting for the lesser of two evils.

“Oh, I really don’t like Labour, so I’m going to vote Conservatives!”

“I really hate the Conservatives. I’m going to hold my nose and vote Labour because I just want to get Sunak out of there!”

This is a major problem. It’s the flaw, the fundamental flaw of the First Past the Post electoral system. And now you’re thinking to yourself, I said earlier that I wasn’t going to present just my opinions, I was going to present facts. And I have. Now, as I’ve just said, I’ve campaigned on the street all over the country and been involved in more electoral wins than probably any nationalist alive today.

So what’s that taught me? Well, it’s actually taught me that everything I’ve just said is not only true from a public perspective, but it’s actually true from a party political perspective.

So when we used to walk around leafleting, you would often find other parties leaflets sort of hanging out of mailboxes and certain cheeky BNP members would pull them out and pocket themselves:

“I’ll pull that out, keeping that!”

Sort of a a cheeky little way to put yourself ahead.

And I remember seeing Lib Dem leaflets. And Lib Dems, although Lib Dems were completely aware of everything I’ve just said, and not only were they completely aware of it, they played into it. The Liberal Democrats actually played on this fear of a wasted vote that I’ve just been talking about.

So the Liberal Democrats knew, or know what I’m saying is true and they play up to it. They actually put this on their leaflets. So I’ve had Lib Dem leaflets in my hands that have shown a little graphic and they always used to have things on it like:

“Lib Dem’s winning here! Lib Dems, we’re the only ones that can beat labour! If you want the Conservatives out, don’t waste your vote. Vote Lib Dem!”

And they’d always have these little graphics and the graphics would often be something like a horse race with little jockeys on the back of the horses. And there would be the Labour horse, and the Labour horse would be near the line, the Lib Dem horse would be just behind Labour, and the Conservatives would be way back in the distance and they would say:

“Only the Lib Dems can beat Labour in this ward. Don’t vote for the Tories! It’s a wasted vote!”

They would play up to this. And I’ve seen Labour leaflets that have said similar things on it. They sometimes have these little graphs on, you know:

“Lib Dems are on 42%, Labour on 41%, Tories are on … whatever! Sort of 10%, others negligible! Don’t waste your vote! If you want to get rid of the Lib Dems, if you want to swing this council, vote Labour. Because we’re the only ones that can stop Lib Dems!”

And Lib Dems and Labour, they did this in Leeds. They did this in Leeds. I used to see these leaflets all the time. I’ve had them push through my door. I’ve had activists give them to me. This is something that regularly happens. So it isn’t just my observation. These aren’t just my takes. This is something that the other parties play up to.

The other parties are keenly aware this. The other parties are keenly aware of the flaws in this system, and they play up to it to lock out smaller parties.

[25:49]

Now, I’m going to give you another example.

Now, I used to know a girl whose dad I used to talk to a little bit about politics, and he was very much our way of thinking. He was a nice guy, she was our way of thinking.

And I remember speaking to them before an election and they said to me:

“Who should we vote for?”

Now, I knew there wasn’t really any nationalist candidates going to be standing, so I said:

“Look, if I was you guys, I’d vote UKIP, I’d vote UKIP because it’s your way of sending a message, a protest, that you want things to change. It’s your way of saying ‘no’ to the two party system.”

And the girl was like:

“That’s a good point. We should do that. Actually, I’m going to tell my dad that that’s who we should vote for. He was asking what your opinion was.”

So she went and told him what I said. She came back to me and says:

“Oh, no, he’s not voting UKIP!”

I said:

“Why not?”

“Because he’s going to vote Labour.”

“Why would he vote Labour? Why would he vote Labour?”

And she said:

“Well, he says that if you don’t vote Labour, your vote automatically goes to the Conservatives.”

Now, at the time, I was like, this is complete nonsense! And I just put this down to Labour, spreading this lie to get more votes and going to people who are maybe a little bit gullible or would believe things like this to get more votes.

But over the years, this sort of stuck with me, and I ruminated on this for a while. Now I think this guy actually misinterpreted what he was told. I think he heard something and, like, Chinese whispers he regurgitated it in the wrong way to me. And what he was actually told was:

“If you don’t vote Labour, you’re effectively voting for the Conservatives.”

[27:28]

So if you vote UKIP, and you were a Labour voter, you’re actually – because UKIP aren’t going to win – you’re actually taking Labour down by one, which means their vote is dropping closer and closer to the Conservatives.

And this is what people actually think! And this wasn’t a super political guy. He wasn’t going to nationalist meetings, he wasn’t reading Julius Evola, he was a normal guy, like, going down the pub, talked a bit of politics, didn’t like immigration, and he was keenly aware that if he didn’t vote Labour, he was actually helping the other party get in. And he really hated the Tories! This was a guy that grew up in the Thatcher era and couldn’t stand Maggie Thatcher, and he would never vote conservative! And he was like:

“Look, I’m never, never supporting the Tory Party! And if I vote for somebody other than Labour, I’m helping those Tories get closer to power!”

And, yeah, that’s what normal people think.

So the First Past the Post system is inherently undemocratic! And it’s not only inherently undemocratic, but it’s actually something that locks smaller parties out. It makes it infinitely harder for smaller parties to get representation. And even when a smaller party like UKIP takes nearly 4 million votes, it results in a single seat. And a result like that reinforces in the minds of normal people why UKIP or any other smaller party is a wasted vote, when it shouldn’t.

So I hope that sort of circles that off.

The first point is we live under a First Past the Post electoral system for the vast majority of our elections. It’s not representative democracy, it’s not designed to be, and it results in minority governments, it results in tactical voting, it results in people worrying about wasting their votes.

And essentially, it leads to the next point on our list of things we want to discuss.

It naturally tends towards a two party system. The First Past the Post system of voting creates a two party system, and then it props up that two party system. We’ve seen it! People tend toward the two largest parties, they tend towards the lesser of two evils:

“I’m voting Labour because the Tories really suck! I’m voting Tory because Labour were really bad on immigration! I’m voting for Labour this time because Sunak messed up the economy! Well, didn’t you vote for the Tories because Brown and Blair messed up the economy? Wasn’t the credit crunch the reason you voted Tory? There was all the credit crunch stuff, but now you’re voting them out because you think Labour are going to do a great job at fixing the economy, which was the problem last time!”

And this is the big issue, people voting for the lesser of two evils and flip flopping between two main parties, because otherwise it’s a wasted vote!

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And this leads to those two large parties becoming more similar, to the point where they become what is known as “centrist parties”. So a centrist party is a party that sits a millimetre, …

So if you. This is a simplistic way of looking at things, and I know people are going to be saying:

“You can’t plot your political allegiances on a straight line from right to left.”

But that’s what we’re going to do for the sake of this.

So if you looked at a graph and you say, on this side, which is my left hand side, you’ve got your extreme Left. On this side, you’ve got your extreme Right. And right there, right down the middle, is your centre line. When you have a two party system, you end up with one party that is one millimetre to the left of the central line and one party that is one millimetre to the right of the central line. And you end up with two parties that say exactly the same thing, but are painted in different colours, and one attempts to appeal to everything to the left of that line and one attempts to appeal to everything to the right of that line.

And this leads to a situation where both parties push exactly the same agenda! And there is never change. And we’ve touched on something else here. People have short memories! So if people gave up on Labour 10, 15 years ago, they’re soon enough ready to give Labour another chance.

Now, again, this might just be anecdotal evidence, but I have campaigned all over Yorkshire.

Now, I went for dinner with an old friend the other day, it was a lovely dinner. Went out for lunch, talked about politics, talked about PA. He’s very enthusiastic about it. You know, he’s an old BNP man. And we were reminiscing about the old times, about knocking on doors in parts of Yorkshire. And he reminded me of a particular campaign.

And I remember I was very active in that campaign. I was there most nights of the week, and I was definitely there all weekend. And I was there in a suit, shirt and tie, knocking on doors, speaking to people. And it was a Labour area that the BNP ended up winning a council seat in.

And I remember that because I remember speaking to people in that campaign, and I remember people telling me:

“I will never vote Labour again! I’ve had enough! I’ve had enough. Nope! I’m never voting, … I’ll vote BNP, but I’ll never vote Labour again!”

This is what they said. And this would have been, I don’t know, maybe 2004, 2005, sometime in the two thousands, anyway. And these people were so sick of Labour politicians of Blair and Brown! They were sick of the Iraq war, they were sick of Britain’s foreign involvement in issues that didn’t concern them. They were sick of what was at the time massive numbers of migration, obviously dwarfed by migration now. They were never going to vote Labour again.

They’re now voting Labour again! They’re now the people that have just actually, by majority, voted in a Labour Mayor for West Yorkshire. That [chuckling] tells you everything they forgot. People are saying, this time, when the Tories go down, it’ll all be forgotten. It’ll never be forgotten. Rishi Sunak will sink them for good. Will he? Will he?

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People said when Thatcher got in in 79, that was the end of Labour. But Labour were back in 97. And when Labour got in 97. People said the Tories were so corrupt, they were so awkward, awful! The cash for questions, the scandals, the sleaze! Because that’s what sank them:

“No one will ever vote Tory again after everything they’ve done!”

Yet, in 2010, they voted the Tories in again. And when they voted the Tories in, people were like:

“This is what we need. We need a change. Get Blair and Brown out. They’ve ruined the economy. They flooded the country. We’ll never forget what Blair and Brown! Seeing all these young soldiers coming back in boxes. We don’t want this. These people destroyed the country!”

That’s what people were saying.

And now here we are, staring down the barrel of a general election in 2025. Where Labour looks set to win, what will be a Thatcherite, or what looks today to be a Thatcherite or Blairite majority. Who would have thought it? Who would have thought that 14 years after the Tories were elected, people would be forgiving the party of Blair and Brown? But they’re embracing Starmer in record numbers for more of the same. More of the same!

So don’t think this two party system is easy to break up. The two party system is created by the First Past the Post system. It’s then propped up by the First Past the Post system. It creates this centrism where you have two identical parties and then people, by design, flip flop between those parties who basically rubber stamp exactly the same policies. And these people have short memories, you know, 10, 15 years down the line, they are ready to kick out the people that they voted in, and re elect the party that 10, 15 years ago they kicked out and vowed never again! This is a problem! And this is a reality of our system. And it’s another reality, just like the First Past the Post system that locks smaller parties out.

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Now, the third thing I want to talk about is if it wasn’t bad enough that we lived under a First Past the Post system, if it wasn’t bad enough that this created this two party system which is unbreakable and hasn’t been broken post Second World War, you then look at the media’s role in elections. Because not only is the system terrible, not only are the main parties corrupt, best friends, and colluding to create this two party system where they scare people into not wasting their votes. The media makes all this so much worse by interfering and preventing any kind of freedom of information.

And what do I mean by “freedom of information”? Will the media work around this two party system to ensure that only the approved parties get airtime? And this is a massive problem! Is there a debate on TV? Yes, there will be. Between the approved parties. What will be their topics of discussion? Those issues will be decided on beforehand. Who decides upon those issues? Who decides who are the approved parties? Well, the media. The media who work with the approved parties, and love the first past opposed system and approve of all of the policies that the two approved parties agree to talk about. And this creates the absolute iron control over information!

Now, my dad was talking about this years ago and I remember him saying this at the time, and this was something that always struck me as so important.

And again, this is an observation of mine, but I think it’s pretty factual.

So I’m going to throw this out to you guys in the chat. How many times have you guys, just hit a one in the chat? How many times have you guys, if you guys ever watched one of these TV debates, have you guys ever watched an election debate on TV done by the BBC or ITV? Have you? I hope you have. You know, tell me if you have. What do they talk about in these debates? It’s always minutiae. It’s always minutiae! That would never make a damn bit of difference!

So one party is gonna spend an extra billion on the NHS, but is going to put tax up a penny on the pound for a certain tax bracket.

The other party, they’re not going to spend a billion on the NHS, but they are going to reduce the tax burden by a penny on every pound.

Does it make any difference? What are they actually talking about? Well, when you put this all into perspective, the NHS is billions and billions of pounds in the hole. It swallows billions and billions of pounds every year. 1 billion to the NHS would basically belittle more than a bandage over the festering wound. It doesn’t matter! And what’s your penny on your tax? Does the average worker notice this penny here, penny there?

And this is what they do with fags and booze. I don’t drink. I have the odd drink if it’s a particular occasion, but I don’t go down the pub. I certainly don’t smoke, nor do I recommend people should smoke.

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But one of the ways these parties will try to win people over, is one of these parties, one of these parties will say:

“You know what? We’re only going to increase. We’re only going to increase cigarette and alcohol duty by a penny!”

And the other party says:

“Well, we’re going to increase cigarette duty by a penny, but we’re going to freeze alcohol duty!”

What? What? They’re actually arguing over a penny on your pint. So if a pint’s three pounds, okay, you would have to, if you voted for the party, that’s saving you a penny on your pint, you’d have to drink 300 pints. [chuckling] 300 pints to get a free pint back! Does it matter? Are you ever going to notice?

But the way they talk about these things, it’s total theatre, it’s total nonsense!

But then the public are talking about:

“I’m voting for the red party because they’re going to give it to the NHS and my mum needs a hip replacement!”

And then the other guys:

“No, I’m voting for the blue party. They’re freezing duty on alcohol. I’m getting a penny off each pint I drink!”

And you’re like, aahhh! Am I actually hearing this? Am I actually hearing these grown men arguing over this tiny, inconsequential minutiae when there are so many huge problems? And am I actually seeing an audience of grown adults cheering, clapping, applauding and going along with it? And it’s terrible!

And what makes it even worse is that audience I just told you about, they were all vetted before they came in, so they know when to cheer, what to cheer for, what questions to ask, because they’re never going to let a normal person in front of a TV camera to say:

“Hey, you know, my daughter has to go to school and she gets harassed on the way in there by the migrants sleeping rough on the side of the street on her route to school. When are you going to do something about this?”

They don’t let that happen. They’ll never talk about these big issues.

And what’s more, the media never hold them to account.

So not only do the media only cover the approved parties, not only do they decide upon the issues beforehand, not only do they control the debates and control the studio audience around the debate and decide who actually gets to speak to the politicians, they airbrush out all the politicians failings, airbrush it all out! Covid didn’t happen! Tory. Immigration. Promises of getting immigration under 100,000 a year, didn’t happen! Forget that. What about promises? I don’t know. On anything else? On the economy, on the NHS? Every time one of these political parties fails to make good on their promises, the media covers for it.

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So you have the First Past the Post system of voting. You have this two party system that creates this centrist, immovable block that people are scared of voting outside of it, and then that’s all surrounded by the media who are telling people:

“This is normal, these are the approved things. This is what people want to hear. People don’t want to talk about immigration, people only want to talk about a penny on the pint. People want to ask, how long are you freezing fuel duty for? What? We need fuel duty to go down. We’re paying one pound 46 a litre at the pump. Why don’t you knock something off it? Oh, no, no! The Tories are going to freeze it for six months. Labour only for three months. Oh, better vote Tory, then!”

And it’s the same hogwash again and again and again! And then if the media do get someone on who is an outsider, if the media actually do get somebody on, all of a sudden this toothless, smiling simpleton who has interviewed the Labour and Tory candidates with smiles and softball questions that were so easy to answer that somebody with an IQ of 75 would have managed to knock them out the park. All of a sudden they show their teeth. The vampire teeth come out and they go in for the kill:

“Your candidate in Greenwich said this. You said this when you were 21. Didn’t your party have a member who once said this?”

And you’re thinking to yourself:

“What’s going on?”

They didn’t ask the Labour Party leader, Kier Starmer, why he let numerous high profile paedophile cases go unanswered and just wave them away. They’re not asking him that affected people’s lives. You’re talking about a candidate that we’ve got in Greenwich that posted an NG meme the other week. What are you doing? You know, Bill from Greenwich, he posted a meme about the British Royal Navy sinking a migrant boat. But you’re talking about that like it’s the end of the world. But you’re ignoring the fact that the Labour Party took us into the Iraq war on, you know, bogus information and lies, that their new leader basically let people like Jimmy Savile walk free. You’re ignoring the fact they covered up the grooming scandal. You’re asking them, how great will life in Britain be under you, Sir Kier. But to the nationalist guy, don’t you have a candidate that once posted the edgy meme? What? And it gets worse!

Because, as I said, I’ve got more experience than most. I remember standing in Leeds and the front page of the newspaper the day before the election was a big picture of me and it simply read:

“Don’t vote for this Nazi!”

So the media that are meant to be impartial, these are meant to be the people that impart the facts.

So the public can decide absolute BS!

They are completely corrupt! They feed everyone lies. They put on this pageantry that I’ve just spoken of and sometimes they literally tell people:

“Okay, we’ve got a two party system, but this guy here in Richmond Hill, in Leeds, we think he could win. We think he could win. So don’t vote for this Nazi!”

It’s completely corrupt! It’s absolutely corrupt to the highest level!

So that’s the first three points. First Past the Post system, the two party system and the media’s role. And I bet you’re thinking, it can’t get worse, can it, Mark? Whoo. It gets worse!

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So all of this is created to ensure that this two party system is created, held in place. There’s never any proper debate, there’s never any oversight. And you have your information, you know, filtered through the sewage pipe of the media. But just in case all of that doesn’t work, just in case all of that does not work, [chuckling] you’ve got the safety valve parties.

So they are nervous because they think:

“Well, maybe, maybe there’s a chance that some people will vote outside of the mainstream.”

So they create parties that say things that nationalist parties do, and then they give those parties huge amount of airtime, so nationalists vote for them rather than the nationalist alternative.

Now, I know UKIP got huge. I know UKIP got huge and I’m talking about UKIP, Brexit Party before, and I know UKIP got huge. But back around, 2004, before the Euro elections, no one was talking about UKIP. No one cared about UKIP. People cared about the BNP. The BNP had its first councillors elected in 2002. It got more in 2003. People were buzzing about the BNP’s potential! The BNP was huge news.

Then all of a sudden, it came to the Euro elections, where they won a rare election that was run on PR. Sadly, they’re gone now.

So that’s that Avenue’s closed to us. And what happened? All of a sudden, the media, total blackout on the BNP:

“UKIP are going to do well. If you want to vote against immigration, if you want to vote against Europe, vote UKIP. Forget the BNP!”

They didn’t even say forget the BNP. They just stopped talking about the BNP.

So this big threat that had been looming, the party that everyone was scared of, the party that all the scare stories had been written about, the party that was actually winning council seats, they stopped covering. And the safety valve is rolled out and everyone voted UKIP.

And at that point, the BNP didn’t get any candidates elected at the Euro election. The BNP was projected to, but the safety valve party comes out.

So this makes things even worse. And the media plays play this up.

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So it was always the same. Two or three months before a European election, all of a sudden, UKIP reappeared. Farage was on everything. He was invited on every single chat show, every discussion show. The Daily Mail would be running puff pieces for him, the Express would be running puff pieces for him. Nick Griffin’s face was airbrushed out of everything:

“No one talk about the BNP!”

And the public believe it. The public are like:

“What? What the media is saying there’s a chance we could maybe vote for somebody different here. Who is this? Who is this bold challenger? What? And they’re against immigration!”

And you’re the little guy in the BNP going:

“We’re against it too! You know, we’re the ones who’ve been telling you about this for the last five, six years. We’d be the ones knocking on your doors. We were the ones winning council seats. Vote for us!”

But people didn’t.

And I remember in 2004, we actually had a family, lovely family in Leeds, join he BNP.

And I remember going and visiting them when they joined to say, would you like to come to a meeting and introduce ourselves? And we said:

“Oh, did you vote for us locally? And this family were a family that lived in Richmond Hill, which was my ward. And they said:

“Yeah, of course we did, Mark, mate, we had a poster in the window for you. We told our friends to vote for you.”

I was like:

“Thank you so much! Thank you so much!”

And he goes:

“But we didn’t vote for you in the Euros.”

I was like:

“What? What? Why?”

And he was like:

“Well, UKIP had a better chance. Everyone was talking up UKIP. UKIP were the ones that seemed to be a shoe-in for that election.”

And I was like:

“Well, thank you for your vote.”

But if everybody who had voted BNP locally and was so enthusiastic about BNP at the local elections had voted BNP in the Euro elections, I think we’d have got a seat there. I think we’d have actually got a seat back in 2004. But we didn’t because the “safety valve” was rolled out, just like they’re rolling out Reform now, just like they rolled out the Brexit Party.

And people will say:

“Hey, Mark, but you keep calling a ‘safety valve’. How can you prove it’s not a legitimate party?”

Well, I can actually prove it’s not a legitimate party. How? Well, at the last general election, when, was it the Brexit Party at the time were challenging against Boris Johnson, they actually looked like they were going to swing marginal seats.

So there are marginal seats where there’s only a thousand or so votes between Labour and Tory. And the Brexit Party, if it had stood in those marginal seats, it would have split the Tory vote and it would have destroyed the Tory Party. Boris wouldn’t have got in. It would likely have been a hung Parliament, or even taken it close, maybe to Corbyn actually winning. So what did the Brexit Party do? As soon as the Brexit Party could actually have some kind of decisive effect on the election, Farage and the Brexit Party withdrew all their candidates! Well, if that’s not a safety valve. If that’s not proof of a safety valve party, if that’s not proof that it’s rigged in that sense with a safety valve, that when that safety valve looks like it might present a threat to the system, it withdraws.

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Now, the Brexit Party did stand. The Brexit Party did stand, but they withdrew all their candidates from marginal wards to ensure that the Conservative Party didn’t lose seats.

So people did vote Brexit Party, but only in seats where it would have no effect whatsoever!

Do you see where I’m coming with this? This is the system we live under. So we’ve got, First Past the Post, boom! Bad system, not representative! The two party system! The media propping it all up.

And then just in case anything looks like it might go wrong, you have the “safety valve” parties.

So that’s why the system is so difficult for nationalists to actually crack.

Now, I didn’t go in to anything here about vote rigging. I didn’t go into any sort of fanciful stories about stealing ballot boxes. I’ve stuck completely here to actual things that you guys can observe.

And I hope that this portion of what we’re saying has been interesting. And I hope it’s been informative.

But there’s a lot more to come.

I’m just going to have a little bit of my Red Bull and then we’re going to have some more. It’s a very hot day here. It’s a very hot day here.

So I’m going to talk about the turnout now.

Now, one of the copes that nationalists have is that turnout is low. Turnout’s low, people aren’t voting.

And one of the takes that I see rolled out every now and again, well, every now and again, quite regularly, whenever I talk about elections, one of the popular copes or takes is:

“The real winner is apathy! Apathy was the real winner of this election!”

Now this is basically what people say when they’re kidding themselves into thinking that there’s loads of people who want to vote but they’re not voting. And there’s this vanguard of people just waiting for the right party to come along and then all of a sudden turnout is going to go through the roof and nationalist parties are going to be elected. So usually it’s 50% turnout, but when the Right nationalist candidate stands, turnout is going to jump to 90%, he’s going to pick up all the votes and boom! Revolutionary voting patterns!

No, this is garbage. It doesn’t happen. People have been saying this for my entire time in nationalist politics.

So when I was first out leafleting, which is probably back at around, 2000, people were saying:

“We just need the people who aren’t voting to get out and vote.”

And here we are in 2024. And those people who weren’t voting in the year 2000, they ain’t voting now either. They ain’t voting now.

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And what’s more, turnout isn’t that low. I saw turnout in a lot of areas was usually around 30% to 40%. 30% to 40% was generally around the norm when I used to stand in Leeds. You’d see about 36%, 34%, sometimes high twenties now. Yeah, turnout is a bit lower in some areas, I’ll grant that, but turnout is low for council elections.

And a lot of people who say “Apathy’s the winner” don’t really understand electoral cycles.

Now, in the area where I live, there was no information about the elections. I think we got two leaflets through the door that the entire electoral run, we got our polling cards through the door and we didn’t see anything else. There was No campaigning on the day, no loudspeaker vans, no posters, no placards, nothing! No buzz, no razzmatazz, nothing! It was just there and then it wasn’t there. That causes low turnout.

But let me explain how turnout works, and I hope you understand this because I’m going to use an analogy.

Now, I hope you’re all familiar with the World Cup.

So the World Cup happens in different stages. You have the World Cup qualifiers where all the teams play in-groups to find out who’s actually going to get to the World Cup. Then when they get to the World Cup, teams get put into groups and they play the World Cup group stages. Usually two teams go through from each group and they enter the World Cup knockouts. Teams advance through the knockout stages until the semi-finals, and then finally you get the big day, the World Cup Final!

Now, why am I bringing up football? Because I don’t really like football. It’s okay, but it’s not my favourite thing. So why am I bringing it up? Well, the number of people who watch a World Cup final is absolutely humongous! So potentially billions of people. Somebody can Google it. Billions of people probably watch the World Cup final.

In fact, I’m going to Google it. “How many people watched last World Cup final?” Last World Cup final was watched by 1.5 billion people globally. That’s huge! That’s huge! And those people, you might say they’re football fans. But where were those people when the World Cup qualifiers were? Because they weren’t watching. And they weren’t watching, really, in the group stages. A few more watched in the knockout stages, a lot more watched in the semi-finals, but the big turnout was, for them, the big one, the World Cup final.

So, yeah, people who are football fans, they tend to have fewer people watching the qualifiers, few more watching the group stages, because the World Cup’s officially started. A lot more watching the knockouts, a lot more watching the semi-finals and then huge numbers watching the World Cup final. That’s how it works. Not everyone who watches the final watches every other game. Now there are hardcore people who turn out and watch every single game. They’ll watch from the qualifiers right through to the final. That’s rare. And it’s the same with elections.

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Now in this country the World Cup final is the general election. And you cannot miss a general election. It’s all the media talks about. It’s all the press talks about. It’s all over social media. There’s billboards, there’s posters, there’s loudspeaker vans. Your house is getting bombarded with leaflets that are delivered by Royal Mail on behalf of the main parties. There’s party political broadcasts, sometimes two a day. You cannot miss it! And turnout goes up massively! Turnout goes up massively! It goes through the roof. All of a sudden, your turnout is up to usually somewhere between 60 and 80%, depending on the constituency.

But when you have your councillor elections, or your European elections, or these smaller elections, turnout is much, much lower. These are sort of like your World Cup qualifiers, if you like. And you will see this again when it comes to the next general election and people get to go out and actually vote for a Parliamentary candidate, and it’s who’s going to run the country, not who’s going to decide where the dog poo bins go on the local council, who’s going to run the country? The stakes are higher, the buzz is more. This is the big one. People understand the importance of this. Turnout will go up, it always does.

So don’t look at the turnout of local elections and say:

“Normal people aren’t voting anymore because they’re just sat at home waiting for the Right candidate to come along.”

They’re not! And they won’t! You will see this happen in waves. It always happens this way. Council elections are often neglected and low turnout is often an indicator of the number of leaflets and the amount of publicity material that goes out around an election.

So these are relatively normal occasions.

And what’s more, you will find the same at Parliamentary by-elections. As a rule of thumb, Parliamentary by-elections have much lower turnouts than a general election. And because of that’s why you tend to have more upsets occur at Parliamentary by-elections than you do at general elections.

Now, bear in mind everything I’ve just said there, because we’re going to come back. We’re going to come back to that because this little thing about turnout comes back and bites us in the end, at the end of our story.

So now I’ve said all that I’m going to do a breakdown of our recent results and I’m going to talk about all the nationalist parties and I’m going to group Reform in that I’m going to ask, how did all the nationalist parties fare in the UK?

And I’m going to ruin the surprise. Reform got two candidates elected nationwide!

And as for ethno-nationalist parties, not a single ethno-nationalist party got a single candidate elected. And that leaves us with a total number of elected ethno-nationalist candidates in this country as a big fat round zero! There’s none! There isn’t a single councillor in this country who stood for an ethno-nationalist party. That is how it works. And that is the truth!

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So let’s go through them all. But look, I’m going to only mention two parties by name, the rest of the parties, because I’m not going to be accused of being bitchy. You can guess who the other parties are. I’m going to call them party 1, 2, 3, 4, etcetera.

So I’m not directly taking a dump on any party by name, except for Reform.

Now, reform got two people, candidates, elected nationally. That is appalling! Why is it appalling? Because that is the safety valve party. If the safety valve party, if the civic nationalist safety valve party can’t get elected, the ethno-nationalists aren’t either. That’s a rule of thumb, I’m telling you. And Reform should have knocked it out of the park. Reform have millions and millions of pounds. They’ve got Farage, they’ve got Katie Hopkins, they’ve had Conservative Party defectors, they’ve got Richard Tice on TV all the time. We’ve got the Daily Mail and the Daily Express bigging them up, and they’ve got GB News!

GB News is basically like Reform’s political, … You know how we have these streams. Well, that’s what GB News is for Reform. They’ve basically got a channel that’s on the air, I don’t know whether it’s 24/7 but they’ve got a full-time broadcasting channel shilling for them. They’ve got Farage on there, they’ve got Katie Hopkins shilling for them on Twitter, they’ve got defectors from the Conservative Party, and they’ve got a war chest that’s in the millions of pounds. And they got two people elected. That’s a disaster! It’s an absolute disaster! And if they flopped now, when it’s a low turnout, what are they going to do at the general election?

Well, I’ll tell you what, it’s going to be worse! The Reform Party did disastrously! And if the Reform Party, and I’ll tell you this now, people were talking about:

“Well, this time when people go out to vote, they’ll vote for anyone but the main parties!”

You know, we’re going to see a massive breakthrough here. And the same hurt the Left. Galloway’s party only got four elected. It wasn’t a good night for people on the Left or the Right outside of the mainstream. The big winners, Lib Dems, who jumped into second place, and Labour, who absolutely took the lion’s share, took over 1,000 candidates.

The fact of the matter is they did not do well.

Now, talk about the next party. We’ll call this party, party number one.

Now, this party had a good strategy and PA helped this party. They stood in police commissioner elections and they actually did all right. And you gotta guess this one. This one’s the English Democrats. So I say I’m gonna name two. I might as well name them. The English Democrats had a good strategy. They stood for police commissioner elections.

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Now, why is that a good strategy? Because there’s only two elected positions in the country which actually create change. What do I mean by that? Well, if you get elected as a sole councillor on the council, you make no change. Even an MP getting elected has a voice, but can’t actually make any form of legislative change.

So it was great when George Galloway got elected, but can he make any legislative change? No, he can’t. But a police commissioner can. If you were elected as police commissioner, you can actually sack the Chief Constable, you can decide whether budget spent, you get to employ your own team, and you actually get to ensure that the police in your area do as you’re telling them because you’re their boss. So that’s a position that is worth winning.

The other position that’s worth winning is a directly elected Mayor, because they have a similar power in that they can impose policy, they can impose all forms of local changes. So say an English Democrat got elected as a directly elected Mayor. They could say:

“Look, everyone gets a St George’s Day parade in the town.”

These are good positions to go for. But it wasn’t great.

You know, we helped Robin Tilbrook put out, in total, 45,000 leaflets were put out for the police commissioner election, for Robin Tilbrook. We put out between 30 and 35,000, and English Democrat activists put out another 10,000. I would say, in the chat, guess how many you think the Tories put out? Well, the Tories put out, I’m not going to make you guess. The Tories put out half a million! And yeah, you heard that right. And not only did they put out half a million, there was a section on every council candidate standing in that area saying:

“Don’t forget to vote for us for police commissioner elections as well!”

So they have half a million leaflets put out directly for the police commissioner, and they got a section on every single council election leaflet in that area as well.

So even though there was a Herculean effort of putting out this 45,000 leaflets, and that takes a lot of time, what did it result in? Well, Robin took a respectable result for such a large area and he took 45,000 votes. But unfortunately, it was a mile off. The Conservatives won. So that wasn’t a great result. It was hard fought, but it wasn’t a great result.

Now, the next party that I’m going to talk about, they got humiliated. The next party is a longstanding nationalist party. They’ve never in their whole history, and I think they were founded in about 2011. They’ve never had a councillor elected. I think they’ve had one councillor under their banner, but that was a councillor they inherited. It wasn’t a councillor that they directly got elected. So after over a decade of activity, they’ve never had anybody elected under their banner. And they stood two candidates. Neither of them got anywhere near winning sand they stood in the GLA as well.

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Now, I remember when Richard Barnbrook got elected to the GLA [Greater London Assembly], he took 5.4% and won a seat. And that was a massive thing! These guys took 0.8%.

Now, to get that 0.8% of the vote, they claim that they spent 35 grand.

Now, it cost ten grand just to go on the ballot paper. It cost another ten grand to go in the Mayoral booklet, so it’s probably factual they spent 35 grand to get around, 20,000 votes. And to get 0.8%. And they were beaten by a guy called Count Binface, who is the modern incarnation of the monster raving loony party. He’s a guy that turns up dressed in fancy dress with a bin for a head and like, a robot face cut into it. And he basically, the candidate I’m talking about, the nationalist, got beaten by this comedy candidate. And that’s terrible!

Now, I know it’s in London, and I know London’s only 36.8% White British, but to come away with 0.8% of the vote and get beaten by the comedy candidate, that’s grim! So Reform did terribly. The English Democrats big effort, but unfortunately didn’t do anything. And this party, 0.8%, beaten by Count Binface. And spent 35 grand to get humiliated.

The next party. This is another old party. This was a party that was formed when the BNP entered into decline in around, 20011. Again, they’ve been going well over a decade. Now they have had a couple of elected councillors and an MEP at one time. But they never got those councillors elected. These were just people who defected to them. Again, it’s another party that’s been going over a decade that has never, ever managed to actually get anybody elected under their own banner. They stood some candidates. Again, it didn’t go very well for them.

The next party is a newer party. It was a party that was formed by people who split away from PA. They did disastrously! They spent a year telling people that they’re going to be standing all over the country. They stood in one single seat! One! They said:

“We’re going to be standing everywhere. Local community politics is what we’re doing!”

Local community politics. They stood in one seat and they polled disastrously! They put a national campaign into one seat and polled disastrously! Their candidate got 569 votes and came second with, 23% when he stood as an independent. When they had a national mobilisation to get him elected under their banner, his vote dropped to 355 votes, his percentage share dropped to 13% and he was budged down into third place. That is a disaster!

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And these people were talking about local politics, local community policies, and that was a national effort. They had people travel over 200 miles to go campaigning for him. They had everything. They claimed they knocked on doors, they put out multiple leaflets, they put up placards all over the ward, and they got fewer votes when standing under their party banner and putting in a national effort than they did when the guy stood as an independent a year earlier. If that doesn’t tell you everything, what does?

Now, finally, there is another party again. People who used to be with PA, this party broke away. These guys didn’t even stand. These guys have said:

“No, we’re not going to be standing in council elections. Council elections are waste of time! We’re just going to stand in the big national elections, in the general election!”

Well, that’s ridiculous! To say that you’re not going to stand locally but you’re just going to leapfrog over everything and stand in the general election is absolutely ridiculous!

My prediction is these people who, again, have talked big about elections, I don’t believe they’ll even stand. And their leader himself has already said he ain’t going to stand. He’s not going to stand under his own party banner. I mean, why would he? This is the state of nationalism.

Every party I’ve just talked about there, and I haven’t named some of them because I don’t want to get involved in drama, but I have given you a genuine breakdown of their results, and all of them failed. And Reform got two people elected out of all of the candidates that stood.

And I’m going to give you a reality check here. I’m going to give you a reality check. Do, you know how many council candidates there are in Great Britain?

So basically, I’m going to break down what Great Britain is first. Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. The United Kingdom is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So this excludes Northern Ireland.

So we’re talking about Great Britain, the mainland.

Now, Great Britain has about 19,000 council seats. And there isn’t a single one in the hands of an ethno-nationalist party. Not a single one! And let’s say some of these small parties did win a council seat. Let’s say one of these parties that were putting in a huge national effort to win one council seat, won that council seat. One, would it make a difference? And two, this is even worse. What is the long term strategy?:

“Well, we’re going to win one council seat and keep going like that every year!”

Well, where does that get you in a thousand years? You’ve got a thousand candidates? It’s not a viable strategy, that’s all I’m going to say.

So this year’s results were the worst, or some of the worst I’ve ever seen! And nationally there are two Reform councillors and there are three people who stood for a strange offshoot of Reform called Reform Derby. They were elected last year.

So that’s maybe five people, part of some form of safety valve organisation, out of 19,000. It’s grim.

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So saying all that, we’ve got one thing left to discuss, or two things.

The first is a historical perspective. Let’s look at the history of the only party, the only party to ever succeed at the ballot box in any meaningful way under an ethno-nationalist banner. That’s the BNP. That’s the British National Party, who won at both local, regional and national elections!

So we’ve got to talk about these guys. We’ve got to talk about them. And look, I’m going to say this. I don’t like him, he doesn’t like me, he’s always sniping at me. But Nick Griffin was the leader of this party at the time. And when I first met him, I had nothing but admiration for him. And he had an electoral strategy. And that electoral strategy bore fruit for a short amount of time.

So I’m going to give you a brief history lesson.

The BNP did do well in the short term. It took 56 councillors, one county councillor, giving it a total of 57. It took a member on the GLA, Richard Barmbrook, and it returned two MEPs, two, to the European Parliament. That was massive! That was massive! And it seems really, really powerful, compared to what we’ve got now. And let’s talk about this. Let’s do a brief history. Let’s run through it really quickly.

Well, how did that happen? Well, Burnley in 2002 was where it all started, and there was three councils elected in Burnley.

And I’m not taking anything away from the Burnley guys. They put in a lot of hard effort. But do you know how that happened? Do, you know how that happened?

Well, I’m going to tell you. It wasn’t what people say. It wasn’t just a local revolution. In 2002, there was a quirk of the electoral system where every single ward in Burnley had its boundaries redrawn. So every single councillor was being elected. Usually councillors are elected for a four year period.

So there’s a year of elections, a year of elections, a year of elections, break, a year of elections, a year of elections, and it rolls around like that.

However, this particular year, the whole council was up for grabs. So instead of voting for one candidate, you voted for three. This quirk of the system meant that three BNP councillors got elected. Because the BNP ran a genius campaign that said:

“Vote for your usual party, but lend us one of your votes to create change.”

Now, that was an amazing win! And I’m not taking anything away from it. But it was a quirk of the system. It was a quirk of the system that helped us get in. Will there ever be a quirk of the system like that again? I don’t know.

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So the ball started rolling in Burnley, not just because of hard work, but because of luck and because of the quirk of the system. And you can’t ignore that it’s like saying:

“Well, we won the battle and our people fought hard, but, you know, it did happen to be raining that day and that really affected the other army, so they couldn’t mount their cavalry charge as they usually do.”

Well, yeah, you may have fought well and your troops do deserve all the credit that they are receiving, but you can’t overlook the fact there were other factors that led to that.

Now, following that, there were a number of by-elections that the BNP won. They won a by-election in Blackburn. I was on the ground and I designed many of the leaflets for that campaign, including a smear leaflet against the Lib Dems, which won’t worked absolutely fantastically!

There was also a by-election in [word unclear]. I was on the ground for that every single day. That was in Halifax and that was the coldest I’ve ever been in my life. I’ve spoken about that on stream before. And we won those. But what did we do to win those elections? Well, there was about 40, 50 activists from all over the country on the street almost every day. These efforts were massive! It wasn’t one or two people leafleting. These efforts were massive! And this took us through to 2004, and the European election.

Now, the European election was going to be big for us. This was where Nick Griffin was meant to be elected to the European Parliament, and he didn’t. It was a disaster and it knocked the wind out of our sails. The party was nearly destroyed then. Why? Safety valve! UKIP came out of nowhere, took a load of our votes. Nick Griffin missed out and the party went into this deep malaise, this deep depression.

There were a number of councillors elected that year, that softened the blow. But Richard Barnbrook narrowly missed out on the GLA as well. All of this was very, very difficult for our people. All of this made things a huge knock and the party did falter. I remember the aftermath of the 2004 European election. The party was on the brink of just going down the pan. It was absolutely terrible! And it did start to falter. And straightaway we went into the 2005 general election and that was not great either. The 2005 general election was not great either. But something saved the party. Two things.

Firstly, there was the there was a number of terrorist attacks committed by second generation migrants, migrants that were born here. And this had been something that the party had predicted and Nick Griffin himself had predicted in speeches. This caused people to start talking about the BNP.

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But then also myself and Nick Griffin were arrested. And that made absolutely huge national news and it caused outrage! The party was in the headlines again. People were talking about us being the ones that predicted these terror attacks. People were talking about the fact that we were being arrested for basically speaking the truth and we were never out of the press.

And that took us to 2006, Barking and Dagenham. And this was the BNP’s best ever year in terms of electoral results at local level. The party was flying high. Everyone was talking about Islamic migrant terrorism. Everybody was talking about Nick Griffin and Mark Collett and the free speech trial and this persecution. More people than ever were reading our website, wanting to know what we were doing. And Margaret Hodge went out campaigning and Barking and Dagenham. She was told by numerous people that were voting BNP. And she went into some rage fueled rant on TV saying:

“Eight out of ten people in this area considering voting BNP. I don’t know what’s gone wrong!”

I remember designing the leaflets for that campaign with Richard Barnbrook in a studio flat he used to live in Leeds. It was tiny. He slept on a fold out sofa, I slept on the bed. We were up from sort of like eight in the morning designing these leaflets. And they were massive, expensive, glossy, a four leaflets. And it was a real ethno-nationalist message on them.

The top picture was London on VE day. The parties at VE day, all White, then Barking and Dagenham, a market in the present day, just full of Muslims and other migrants. And it said:

“This is what London was, this is what it’s become. Is this what you voted for?”

And people voted BNP en masse. Overnight, we went from no councillors to being the official opposition on Barking council. I think we stood 13 seats, and twelve of those councillors got elected. If we’d have stood in every seat, well, it would have just been unbelievable! We were the official opposition, and Richard Barmbook and Bob Bailey, who were down there. One was in charge of Barking, Richard, and one was in charge of Dagenham, Bob. They were cock of the hoop! It was fantastic! It was absolutely a brilliant time!

Moving into 2007, though, our votes started to drop off a little bit. And this is where reality hit in. You know, you’d gone through 2002, you’d grown on that. In 2003, you’d have the by-electionsc also we built on it in Burnley. It gave people real confidence and we won more seats in Burnley in 2003. 2004, we won more councillors. But the European election was a disaster for us.

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But then there was this massive boost in publicity. There was Barking and Dagenham, there was councillors getting elected, it seemed, left, right and centre all over the country because of this publicity boost.

But 2007, things were different. Things started to slow down and the enemy had got a real measure of the BNP. So 2007 was the first year we actually started to see BNP candidates lose seats. So some got re-elected, but some start to lose their seats because the other parties ganged up on them. Hope Not Hate leafleted against them. And over time you could see this was a war of attrition. And we all thought that once we got councillors in an area, it would be constant growth. But it wasn’t. We started to see slightly lower votes. The free speech trial was still going on, but it was running it’s course. People weren’t buzzing about it anymore. Things were going a little bit downhill and we lost seats.

People like Jim Lewthwaite and Arthur Redfern, who’d been elected in 2004, lost their seats in 2007. And people were like:

“That’s really disappointing!”

We also saw a number of defections. We saw people throw in the towel when this happened. And things looked really a little bit less sure of itself. And this massive high that we saw Barking and what we thought was gonna be the beginning of the forever of just upward cycling, it wasn’t anymore. It just wasn’t.

And then we went into 2008.

Now, 2008 was a funny year because Richard Barnbrook did get elected to the GLA with 5.4%, which was massive news. But on the council seat side, the council growth had really slowed. And I told you we’d become a party of by-elections. We’re doing very well at these by-elections. We were bussing in 40, 50 activists to win these by-elections. And I used to go down, Nick Griffin would go down, other people would go down, we’d all be knocking on doors. It would be fantastic!

But those seats started to dry up. And the last ever by-election win came in 2008. And that was actually Paul Golding. He won a seat. I think it was in., … Was it Sevenoaks? Was it Sevenoaks? Was it Stevenage? I can’t, … It began with “S”.

But anyway, he won a seat then, but that was the last council by-election we ever won was in 2008. But people were still happy because Barnbrook got elected. It was 5.4%. I designed the Mayoral insert, and we used the same leaflet we used in 2006. So me and Richard Barmbert, we designed a sort of a take on this leaflet that done really well, that showed London on VE Day and London in the modern day. And we asked people all over London, you know:

“How’s it going?”

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And I remember we used to travel down and we would have, you know, 100 to 200 activists out on the streets over a single weekend. All the members of staff would travel down, Griffin would go down and activists from all over the country. Some would come on the Saturday, some would come on the Sunday. I remember my dad coming down with a Carload from the east Mids. So on the Sunday you’d have a different team than on the Saturday. It was absolutely massive! And we were putting out tens and tens of thousands of leaflets and Barnbrook snuck in. He needed 5%, he got 5.4%. It was fantastic!

And that kind of papered over these cracks. And these cracks were that the council election wins were getting fewer and further between, but now we were winning on this big stage, so that papered over the cracks.

And this continued into the 2009 Euro election. The 2009 Euro elections were massive because obviously Andrew Brons was actually the first to be elected. He won his seat slightly earlier than Nick Griffin. And I was there at the count and the elation to be at an election count where a BNP candidate wins an actual seat at the European Parliament was brilliant!

And I remember being really cocky and I remember that Andrew Brons took the seat from a Labour politician and as he was leaving, I can’t remember his name now. I remember shouting to him:

“Hey, mate, don’t forget your P45 on the way out!”

And all of our guys were roaring with laughter, we were so happy. And then Nick Griffin got elected a few hours afterwards when his count. We had two MEPs and this was national news, we finally had people elected on a national scale.

And this again papered over the cracks a little. We were winning these PR elections with quite low votes, sometimes with in margins, but we weren’t winning the council seats anymore. And it seemed a long time since Golding was elected and we were doing well, like we were in previous years. In previous years, you know, we won by-elections in Heckmondwike, in [word unclear]. Heckmondwike is near Huddersfield. It’s in Kirklees. We won in Heckmondwike. We won in Blackburn. You know, we won by-elections in Halifax. But they were getting few and far between now. We just weren’t doing the business. The days of by-election wins in London boroughs were gone. We just weren’t doing that. But the European seats seemed great!

But then 2010 came.

Now, remember what I said earlier about football matches and turnout and people watching? Just remember that. Because this happened. We had won all these low turnout elections, or when there were quirks of the system, like there were in Burnley, and we’d won at these PR elections where we only needed 5.4% or 4.5% to get someone in.

But when it came to the general election and there was this huge boost in turnout, remember I said earlier, remember this bit! Because it came to bite the BNP on the arse. Not only did we perform disastrously at the general election with the higher turnout, but every single councillor that was up for re election on that day was hit by the higher turnout, and they all lost. Bar one!

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There was a guy in Pendle called Brian Parker. He was the only person in the whole country to keep his seat. Everyone else lost theirs. And it was catastrophic! You know, those twelve seats embarking in Dagenham, all gone in one single day. We went from being the official opposition to not having a single seat.

Chris Beverley in Leeds. Boy, I’ve never met a guy that’s worked harder than him. Chris Beverley would do his work for the party in the morning. By early afternoon, he was out leafleting or selling papers. By late afternoon, and just after tea, he was knocking on doors. There were leafleting teams when it was bad weather, because no one wanted to knock on doors when it was bad weather. That guy literally worked every day of the week to get elected in Morley South.

And what happened? What happened? He lost his seat in 2010 because of the increased turnout. And it was a complete collapse. The BNP, which had once at its height, had these know 57 councillors, GLA member and two MEPs. The councillors were just absolutely swept away! It took the steam out of the party, and the party went into a complete tailspin.

And by the time it came round to the European elections in 2014, there was only Nick Griffin and maybe one or two councillors left. Everything had gone. Richard Barnbrook had defected, Andrew Brons had defected. The party had split several times and it was over! It was all gone. It was all ruined!

And I can tell you this now. I’m not going to sit here on the stream and cry or moan or weep, but it was gut wrenching to see everything that had been built and all those hard won victories just washed away, like that! Just gone, finished! It was over. It was a disaster! It was a disaster!

And I look back at it now and it seemed like we were on the cusp of power. As a young man, with my whole life ahead of me, I genuinely thought, we as a party, are on the cusp of victory! And we, as a party, are going to win, in that air, you know, we’re going to win! We’re going to take. We are going to take the whole thing! And we didn’t. It was over.

And, you know what? Do you want me to be really honest with you? Well, there’s no point being anything other than honest. I look back on it now. We had 57 counsellors out of 19,000. We had a member on the GLA and we had two MEPs. It was massive!

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But in the grand scheme of things, it was probably nothing more than sort of a large beetle climbing up an elephant’s leg and giving it a nip. That’s all it was.

And that makes me sad, because I worked for a decade of my life. I gave my best. Best years of your life are probably between your 20th birthday and your 30th. [chuckling] Trust me! If I look back and if I could go back in time and sort of relive bits of my life, I’m pretty sure the bits I relive are all in those ten years. [chuckling] They were good times. And I gave those years to the BNP. And I did my best. I played my part.

I’m still here playing my part. I’m not going anywhere unless they kill me or put me in jail. And if they put me in jail, I’ll come out and I’ll still be here.

But the point is, I gave my best and so did many people. But everything was washed away with one bad election.

And that’s how fragile it is if you were to draw an analogies, and you guys know, I love my analogies, it’s a bit like a sandcastle on the beach. You know, I’ve got to say this. It was like that. It was like those kids that spend all day and they build this multi tiered sandcastle and they put the shells on and the seaweed, and they’ve got a moat, and one big wave comes and it’s gone! That was it. And all that’s left is just this little sort of hump where you can say:

“Was there a sandcastle there a while ago?”

And there was. Brian Parker was still there, and that was it. That was it. The party was just gone!

And I wonder, could that be replicated today? Well, the reality check is this. Not only was it really not that considerable, when you look at the 19,000 counsellors, 70 something MEPs, the 20 GLA members and all the bodies, we didn’t get people elected to, Parliament, the Welsh assembly, the Scottish Parliament, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! And now there’s the police commissioners and the directly elected Mayors and all the other places you didn’t get anyone elected to.

The reality check is, first, were we actually as big as we thought we were?

And secondly, can we be replicated? Are things different now? And, yeah, they are.

Back in the BNP days, you know, people weren’t losing their job for saying they voted BNP.

Back in the BNP days, there wasn’t the stigma that there is now.

Back in the BNP days, demographics were better. You know, London was over 50% White British. Now it’s 36.8%. You know, the BNP took 5.4%. The only ethno-nationalist candidate, the candidate that stood you, the ethno-nationalist candidate, that did stand for the GLA, his Mayoral insert looked pretty much the same as Barnbrook, very similar to Barnbrook’s all the way back in 2008. But he got 0.8%. He got maybe a 6th of what Richard’s vote was. This tells you things have changed.

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We’re never getting in some of these places. We’re never winning in Barking and Dagenham. I doubt we’d ever win now in seats in Bradford where we’ve won before, places like Keighley. What’s the situation today in Burnley? You know, as I said, London, it’s gone!

So could that small series of victories actually ever be replicated? I don’t know. I don’t know! And for it to be replicated, what would we need? Because, you know, never before has there been this ethnic mix. Never before has there been this sort of drive to weed nationalists out of everywhere to send Prevent* round to their houses for talking about demographics. There’s never been this much pressure. And there’s never been this few White Britons to vote for us. Can it be replicated? I don’t know! But set to everything I’ve said tonight, I think there’s a lot to be taken in here and you get to decide.

[* About Prevent: Prevent is a national programme that aims to stop people from becoming terrorists or supporting terrorism. It works to ensure that people who are susceptible to radicalisation are offered appropriate interventions, and communities are protected against radicalising influences. Radicalisation can happen when a person develops extreme views or beliefs that support terrorist groups or activities. There are different types of terrorism, and Prevent deals with all of them. The most common types of terrorism in the UK are Extreme Right-Wing terrorism and Islamist terrorism. Source: UK Gov]

Now, finally, I’ve got one last small point before I do the questions and answers. Things are different in Europe. And people keep saying this, well, why are things different in Europe? There’s a few reasons, and I’m going to run over them shortly.

In a lot of European countries, there’s proportional representation. You have regional bodies. You know, the MPD in Germany elected to regional bodies. You know, the AfD in Germany elected to regional bodies. You know, some people say:

“There’s less political stability in Europe because all of the countries in Europe have, one time or another, lost a war or been occupied.”

Britain hasn’t. Britain hasn’t been occupied in that way. That way it’s government, it’s political system, it’s establishment has never lost it’s legitimacy in the same way that the French have, in the same way that the Italians have. The Germans have. These huge world events have an effect on the national consciousness. There’s not a revolutionary mentality in England, Scotland and Wales. We did have an English Civil War, and then we reversed that and begged our king back.

You know, in France, it was a revolution sort of every five or six years at one point, and they’ve still got that in them. Just look at the Yellow Vests. You know, it’s the same with Germany. Germany has always been a loose sort of Confederacy of provincial powers, if you like. You know, Prussia is a perfect example of that you know, the Prussians never truly saw themselves as German.

And that’s why across Germany, you will tend to find that certain regional bodies vote completely differently and are represented completely differently to others. You’ve also got the fact that half of Germany within living memory fell under Soviet rule. And East Germany votes completely differently to West Germany. We know these things.

There’s been different factors that have affected the national consciousness of those people, but Britain has never had that. We’re an island nation. We have been largely unaffected by these things.

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And as such, we are stuck in this pattern, isolated on a little island, stuck within, so that the liberal Democratic milieu that I’ve discussed earlier. So we do not have in our country electoral system conducive to change. We’ve got the two party system. You know, we have these safety valves. Other countries, they’re different. They’re different. And we could spend all night explaining this.

I’m not going to go into this in detail, but things are different in Europe for different reasons.

Anyway, that’s really all I have to say, and I hope you really enjoyed the stream. I’m going to do the questions and answers now. We’re going to fly through them because obviously we’re coming up to 2 hours. I didn’t realise I’d been speaking too long, but I hope you’ve enjoyed this. It’s been a bit of a lecture. I do like doing these streams and I hope you feel that you’ve got value for watching tonight.

Anyway, we’ve got some very generous Superchats, so I’m going to start over on Odysee now. Beer Hall Pooch gave 1488. Thank you so much! And said:

“Hail Mark. I put my money where my mouth is. Me and Pete Rushton says leading nationalists need to meet privately to figure out a new way forward. Ideas, strategy, tactics on the table. We are now messing around with outdated positions. We’re not saving all Whites. Please discuss important.”

Look, I would happily meet at one of these things and happily discuss things, but solutions have to be multifaceted. You know, from my point of view, I’ve always said community building has to come first. I kept saying we live in a world of minority wins! Why do you think Muslims win at elections? Muslims aren’t the majority, but if there’s 10% of Muslims in an area where there’s a 50% turnout and all of them turn out all of a sudden, that’s a 20% block vote. That’s enough to swing an election.

So all the candidates have to go to that Muslim and offer him something, and whoever offers him the most wins the election. White people don’t organise like that.

And the first thing we have to do as White people, if we’re going to win elections like the Muslims do, like other minority groups do, is we have to build a community. I’ve been saying since the outset, at Patriotic Alternative, that we need to build communities! We need to build. And part of those building communities is owning land, owning buildings, you know, moving together, living together. There’s so many things that can be said, and this isn’t the stream for it, but we need to organise our people! And then we can win elections. We can’t win elections with atomized, isolated, lost individuals who don’t act as a group.

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The reasons Muslims win elections is because they’re not isolated, they’re not lost, they’re not atomized, they still stick together! We are lost as a people! We have to find ourselves first, guys. If you put elections before community, you’re putting the cart before the horse. Community has to come before elections. The times when Whites have stuck together, say, like the miner strikes, what was that built on? It was built on community.

Eddie gave $20. Thank you so much, my friend. He said:

“Thanks for the stream, Mark.”

Well, thank you, my friend. Albion Forever made a statement. He said:

“Hi, Mark. Would it be suspicious for a party to get registered when the Electoral Commission are aware that they have been breaking the law?”

I know what this is in reference to. Look, it’s emerged that one of these recent parties to get elected, there was a Freedom of Information request. One of the parties that recently got registered, it’s been revealed by a Left-wing source that did a Freedom of Information request that the Electoral Commission was aware that that party was breaking rules, laws and had members that had shared terrorist documents but still allowed them to be registered. It is suspicious.

Albion Forever also said:

“Hi, Mark. Did, you know, that the Fairchild A10 Thunderbolt two has a single 30 millimetre gatling cannon and two general electric turbines? When it fires it’s gun and puts it’s engines to full, it will actually accelerate backwards. That’s how powerful it is.”

Thank you. British Gammon gave $25.

Thank you so much for your generosity. Great to see you again here tonight, my friend. He said:

“In the absence of a nationalist candidate, would it be better to encourage people to turn up and spoil their ballot rather than vote tactically or not vote at all? And would the establishment even care if thousands of people voted, ‘None of the above’?”

Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! British Gammon is on the money! Look, if there’s no one in your area, spoil your ballot. And that might sound childish, but it’s not. It still counts!

Imagine if tomorrow we lived in an area where there was 10,000 people and there was a 50% turnout. So that’s 5,000 people voting and 6,000 of the 5,000 people voting. And 60% of those people, you know, 3,000 people went and just wrote “none of the above”. Okay, nobody gets elected off that. But the media would have to report that happened. That is a statistic that gets recorded. That would be something that causes waves. And look, when that has been tried, the media does report it. People talk about it. You know, if 60%, 3,000 people on that 50% turnout of that 10,000 voters did do something like that, that would create waves. Never ever just stay at home.

Because if you stay at home, you’re basically saying:

“I don’t have a voice!”

Use your voice in any way you can. I have always voted when I’ve had the chance and I’ve always done something, even if it is just spoil my ballot.

Getting very hot here tonight [having a drink].

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But yeah, British Gammon is 100% correct. And he’s knocked it out of the park! Do always do something, never do nothing, even if it’s something small. Antimatter gave $40.12. Thank you so much! And he said:

“Donation.”

Well thank you kindly, Stan one gave $14 and said:

“Donation again.”

Thank you kindly. Albion Forever said:

“Interestingly, in Ireland, which has a revolutionary oppressed mentality, we don’t see that translating into electoral changes, but instead into huge protests.”

Well, look, I’ll settle for huge protests at the moment! Would you not sell for huge protest? Huge protests would be a step forward forward! Albion Forever said:

“Do you agree that the Muslim vote swung the vote for George Galloway in Rochdale?”

Well, of course they did. One dollars from BaleBreach said:

“Stevenson said he would vote Galloway. So that’s me and him. Tollah and Arab Social Nationalists are sympathetic. Are we all nuts, mate?”

Look, vote for people who are against the establishment or people who are perceived to be against the establishment. You know, I’ve already said, I would vote for anybody who is against those establishment parties as long as they’re not pro-immigration. It’s as simple as that.

And if you can’t vote for anyone, spoil your ballot paper!

Oh, and by the way, the BitChute stream is working. There’s eight people watching us there. It’s a start. [chuckling] It’s a start.

So thank you, BitChute. That is nice to see.

Now we’re going to go over to the Entropy Superchats. We always do them in this order. VM gave $10. Thank you so much! And he said:

“With all the mixed results, I’d say it’s still important to stand candidates without breaking the bank. As election time is prime time to raise issues. It also applies pressure to establish parties to move the Overton Window our way, building accessible bridge to the nationalist future.”

That’s a good point. Look, I’m not saying we shouldn’t stand any candidates.

What I’m saying is we have to put community building first. We have to put community building first! And if we don’t put community building first, we’re in trouble. But if we move to the same areas, if we organised, if we bought property or land and we actually build community, we could stand in a limited number of seats, get people elected and govern our own affairs. There’s nothing to stop that. And if there are elections which are good for us, so say somebody say a Labour Party candidate got taken to court and sent to jail for being part of a grooming gang or something like that, where it’s expedient for us to use the electoral system. We should do. We shouldn’t cut off the electoral route altogether. I don’t believe that. But putting all our eggs in that basket, as you can tell, it’s difficult.

VM gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

“The great issue with tactical voting is that once Labour get in, the media will enforce the propaganda. The people of Great Britain voted against the racism of the Tories. Our electoral system is our voice box with a deliberate handicap.”

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Thank you so much! Britannia’s reckoning gave $3. Thank you so much! Said:

“Capitalism has been a far more powerful weapon for Zionists than communism. The sooner nationalists start bashing capitalism as much as they bash communism, we make progress.”

I’ll bash capitalism and communism all day. Throughout my entire political life, I’ve always said they are two sides of a same anti-White coin! Britannia’s reckoning gave $3 thank you so much! And said:

“The key to electoral victory is a party Left-wing on economics and Right-wing on immigration and culture. The closest at the moment is the SDP.”

Well, I agree with you again, but the SDP get disastrous results! VM gave $3 thank you so much! Said:

“Our biggest drawback is no unanimous, agreed local plan. Split the Nationalist Party’s independent safety valve, RVP and spoil vote. We must ensure clear issues from focus community direction on each seat.”

We do! But the fact is, nationalism is riven by splits! It’s riven by splits, it’s riven by infighting, it’s riven by egos!

You know, when I started PA, the wholeidea of PA was anyone could come on board and do activism their way. I say to people:

“It’s up to you. It’s up to you. How do you want to do your PA work?”

If you want to do.

If you want to do electoral work, do electoral work, I’ll support you.

If you want to do community politics, I’ll support you.

If you want to do fitness and health, I’ll support you.

If you want to do gaming nights, art nights, music nights, you know, beer and burger nights at the barbecue, do what you want, as long as you’re doing something nationalist. Litter picks, great! Camping and hiking, great! I said that to people and what happened? People got their knickers in a twist because I wasn’t doing exactly what they wanted me to do and they stormed off and formed their own little tiny groups and then failed.

Why? Why do that? They did that because they had to be in charge, and they believed that everything had to be done their way! I think we need PA and I think we need an umbrella group. Where people can do things.

So if you want to do a book club, come to PA and do PA Book Club. You want to do fitness, you want to do going out and getting fit and training with young lads, join PA Fitness. You know, you want to put out leaflets. We back independent candidates, we do this! It’s got to be a multifaceted approach where everyone can play their part in the way they want to. These petty squabbles over minor differences and ego driven micro parties are terrible! They’ve dogged nationalism for decades, and the people running them should be ashamed of themselves.

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You know, I’ve said to everyone:

“Come here, stand under this banner, do it the way you want to do it, and we can all stand together.”

People don’t want that they want to run their own little thing and it’s not working out. Britannia’s Reckoning gave $3. Thank you so much, said:

“Reform winning a London assembly seat is decent. Giving the demographics Reform may have a million or two, but the Lib Lab Con have a hundred times that!”

Thank you so much! Britannia’s Reckoning gave $3:

“The British Democrats say they received the most votes out of any nationalist party, but some of these parties need to merge. What’s your relationship like with them?”

I think they. When they say they won the worst votes, I think they got about 300 or something. And they discounted the English Democrats, who took 45,000 in Robin’s [Tilbrook] seat.

So, you know what’s that? They didn’t! They didn’t! And it amounts to a hill of beans. David Peterson gave $10. Thank you so much! He said:

“Tell us what you think about Griffin on Question Time. As someone who worked in a supportive capacity to him before such a humiliating experience, no offence, my friend, but you were head of publicity at time. Did he just ignore your advice? How did the pre-event prep play out?”

I’ll answer this question, although it’s going to create drama, because he’s not going to like my answer and he will be upset.

But the fact is, Nick Griffin’s Question Time performance was probably the worst, single worst thing to happen to the BNP. It was a turning point in the BNP’s history! It was basically the only time that the nationalist has ever been allowed on Question Time. And it was the greatest fumbling of the ball that I’ve ever seen!

And it was largely down to the fact that over time, Nick Griffin had become too complacent in his debating skills, in his ability to put himself over. He was too used to speaking to captive audiences, or to small time radio hosts and on smaller shows. It was basically like a boxer who had gone round and knocked everyone out in local gyms, in nightclubs, in county fairs, and then was given a shot at the title.

And although he thought he was great and thought he didn’t have to do much more, he had to do a lot more.

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And I remember clearly in the time running up to Nick Griffin going on Question Time, people urged a number of things. There was people who urged that he prepared, that we got him into better shape, both physically and mentally. I suggested that he started going to the gym more. He tidied himself up a little bit. He didn’t like that suggestion. He won’t like me talking about that. But I said:

“Look, you’re in the European Parliament. You got the access to probably the best gym in the whole of Europe. You should use it. You need to tidy yourself up, you need to go out there looking smarter than you’ve ever looked.”

He didn’t like that. He said:

“Didn’t have time for that.”

And I said to him, you know, personally, like I was his friend, I didn’t say this out of nastiness. I said:

“Look you need to have some mock runs at this. You know, you need to get 10, 12 people in a room with you and people to talk to you and throw your questions and go through everything so you’re ready.”

And other people were like:

“No, no, no! He’s the boss. He’s the boss! He doesn’t need that. He’s the best!”

And he listened to them. There were other people. I remember a guy called Lee Barnes, who was his legal adviser at the time. He told him not to go on to call in sick, sending Andrew Brons as a replacement at the last minute, because they’d have to put Brons on the TV. And they wouldn’t have the same dirt on Brons they had on Gryphon. I thought that was a bad idea.

And Gryphon basically went in there green. He went in there green. He went in there without the correct training, without looking as smart as he could, without being the man that he needed to be.

And I’ll draw, not an analogy, I’ll just put forward an example of somebody who did this. Apparently, when Tony Blair first went on Question time, before he became Prime Minister, the Labour Party the weekend before, took him to a hotel and they basically stayed in a hotel and they took him into a conference room and for the entire weekend, they broke him down, they abused him, they threw questions at him. They absolutely mauled him for a weekend! And when he came out, he could answer everything, every smear, every piece of crap thrown at him. He knew what to say if the Tories on there threw something at him, he was ready.

And when he went on Question Time, he knocked it out the park! And the rumours are that before he went on Question Time, he was so nervous because they’d been grilling him all weekend that he was actually sick in the green room in a bin before he went out there! And I’ll say this, I’m not saying you should go out for your big moment as a nervous wreck, because that’s not great! But a few nerves, a few butterflies in your tummy are better than overconfidence.

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And I believe that Nick Griffin was massively overconfident. He refused to prepare, he refused to improve himself physically or mentally before it. And he was listening to people who were blowing smoke up his arse, who were telling you he was the best of the best of the best of the best! And that no one could get the better of him, and that he knew his trade better than everyone, no one could do better.

And he went out there and he choked and it was a disaster! And he will now say in response this:

“It wasn’t. It was the best thing ever! The BNP were on 20% of the national vote after it, because it was so great!”

That’s not true. It’s nonsense! It shattered the BNP. And I’ll explain why it shattered the BNP at the time that happened.

At the time that happened, it was, how can I say this? Basically, there is one group of people. Towards the end of the 1970s and beginning of the 1980s, the traditional class divide of working class and middle class began to break down. And that happened and accelerated with the end of the miner’s strike, the destruction of the union. And we ended up moving to a country which has what is called “Middle England”. Middle England are the broad middle class. They’re not the upper class, they’re not the super rich. They’re people who own their own homes, have a stake in society. They want their kids to do better than they did. They usually work in good jobs or run their own businesses, and they’ve got something to fight for!

And that Middle England vote were the people who voted Thatcher in, who then rejected the Tories and voted Blair in, then booted Labour out. They have been the people that have always swung general elections. When Middle England move, when, and I’m not saying middle class, I’m saying Middle England. I’m saying these broad middle block of owner occupiers. You know, the White van man. The guy runs his own business. The guy’s got a bit of a stake in society. When they vote, when they vote, they’re the ones that swing elections. And that is a fact.

And those people have never been involved in nationalism, or have been involved in nationalism hesitantly. But the BNP got those people involved. They started to make inroads, they started to attract people that were friends with my parents. People who first were disgusted when they found out that I joined the BNP, were finally saying:

“Well, actually, Mark’s got a point, Carol, Morris, I think your lad might be right. I’ve just dropped around with a little donation. Please put it in the coffers. I’m definitely voting for you, Carol, if you stand in this area again.”

Those people were coming on board. They came on board and they opened the BNP up to a wider audience. And that’s when the BNP was rising. That was when it was in its ascendancy. And that’s what tipped the BNP over the edge, especially in the Euro elections, on these big regional lists, because Middle England were coming on board. We weren’t just the party of the estates anymore.

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And Chris Bev really saw that in Morley South. He was a guy who became the King of the new build estate, where there’s the self employed window cleaner, the guy who runs his own electrician’s business, the local plumber. They owned their own new build houses and they were voting for Chris. This was a big swing. This changed everything.

And I’ll tell you this now, those people swing general elections, and they were coming on board with the BNP. And that Question Time was the thing that scared them off. They were tentatively dipping their toe in our pond and saying:

“We like this. We want a bit of this.”

And I’ll tell you, this is just anecdotal, but I remember my dad saying to me that there was a guy that lived on his street that always used to, when he went past, because my dad used to be into biking and would always go cycling on Sunday morning, and he’d always stop by and they’d always give him a wave. And if he was walking down the street, he’d always, you know, talk to him:

“Oh, Morris, have you got the latest Voice of Freedom for me? How’s it going?”

And he walked past him. After that Question Time, my dad was like:

“Hi, mate, how you doing?”

And the guy just said:

“It wasn’t good, was it, Morris?”

And that was it.

That was it! The guy never took a Voice of Freedom again. He didn’t really want to know. That was it. And these people were turned off by that. And unfortunately, it was a body blow! The party didn’t collapse overnight. The sort of support, the traditional nationalist support, remained intact. But that Middle England vote that were coming on board, it scared them off.

And that was just before, obviously, the 2010 general election. And the 2010 general election, that Question Time appearance and the problems in the party at the time, the personal issues, the fractures, the issues over where large sums of money had disappeared from and the fact the party were in debt, all of that sort of came together and that was it. Post, 2010, it was over!

So I hope that was a good explanation.

David Peterson gave $5. Thank you so much! He said:

“I know we spoke before about this, but you’re on a good one tonight. How do you feel about Young Nazi and Proud? Also, do you think the stigma was different back then, hence Young Nazi and Proud?”

Stigma was totally different. Look, you couldn’t make a documentary like Young Nazi and Proud today.

So when I’ve been on Young Nazi and Proud, I’m not saying it was a good thing, because it wasn’t. And it dogs me to this day. And, look, I feel embarrassed about that. For me, it’s like water of a duck’s back. So I laugh it off now. I treat it like it’s all fun and games. And I get enough people. I’ve enough people over the years come up to me in bars, pubs, clubs in the street, ask to hug me, ask for a selfie. I’ve had girls come up to me and give me a kiss over it. It’s been great in, some respects.

It’s also been bad and it’s something that I’ve had to laugh off uncomfortably at times.

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So there’s been good and bad. But that documentary of a young lad who’s a bit of an edgy Nazi, was played some for laughs, some seriously, some tragedy. Some of it made me look like a bit of a fool! Some of it made me look like, very dedicated. Some of it made me look a bit weird, some of it probably made me look a bit brave, some of it I looked quite multifaceted. And yes, some of it was embarrassing.

But I’ll tell you this, that couldn’t be made today. You couldn’t call a lad Young Nazi and Proud on a documentary and play that like it was played. The guy would be getting his door kicked in! It’s a completely different situation now. The term “Nazi” that carries different connotations. You know, back when they did Young Nazi and Proud you could go to music gigs where there were certain fruity, [chuckling] you know, flags from a foreign regime that existed in the 1930s. People would sell CDs. All that’s been cracked down on. Things are different now. Things are very different!

But yeah, it has affected my life.

But I don’t think anyone could do a documentary like that now and play it the way it was the person who had that documentary made about them today wouldn’t be called a young radical, you know, political thinker who was played as maybe odd, a bit insecure at times, which obviously I was in my early twenties and I said some stuff that I’m not proud of but the fact is if you made that documentary today, it wouldn’t be Young Nazi and Proud. They would literally be saying:

“That young lad was a terrorist!”

That’s where the goalposts have moved

VM gave $3. Thank you so much! Said:

“With all the thoughts I made aside, this is exactly why the PA model works. It’s a dynamic vehicle that endures the ebbs and flows of elections on a community level. Great and informative stream. Thank you so much!”

David. Peace. And gave another $5. Thank you very much. Said:

“One’s in the chat to buy a house in the ethno-nationalist cul de sacs. Two for no. Everyone comes to the ethno-nationalist cul de sac!”

Look, people know where I live. I actually said to people:

“Come and live on the estate I live, there was houses up for sale.”

I even offered people small loans to help them buy houses in this area. People didn’t want it. People didn’t want it. That’s the problem. Nationalists don’t want to move to the same area. And every nationalist I’ve asked to come to this area and live near me have always said no, no, I won’t because my family live here and I’m not moving away from them.”

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And then other people said:

“Well, I want to go and live here because it’s my dream to go and live this other side of the country.”

Or:

“I don’t want to live in this kind of area. I want to go and buy a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere.”

That’s their prerogative. But getting nationalists to agree on something like an ethno cul de sac is virtually impossible! But I would love all of you guys to come and live on my street. Mainly because I’ve just perfected cooking chips in a variety of different animal fats. I’ve been trying with lard, and I really need friends in this area to come. Come to my house, eat my homemade burgers and eat my homemade, traditionally cooked hand cut chips! Because I need feedback, guys. I need feedback! Come and live on my estate and we’ll be barbecuing every weekend.

We’ve got two Superchats here from hedgehog 82. Gave $2 both times. Thank you so much! Said:

“People haven’t even got the brain cells to ask themselves why. Why does the government borrow money with interest when they can print interest free money? Like why the government is in two trillion’s worth of debt?”

Yeah, good point. So Much Need, another $2, and said:

“People are unaware most of the tax they pay is just paying down the interest on government borrowed money. A certain German man removed the central bankers and Germany became the most prosperous nation in Europe.”

Hedgehog, you may be spiky, but you’re not wrong. David Peterson gave $5. Thank you so much! He said:

“Are you still friends with the journalists from Young Nazi and Proud?”

This is really interesting, actually. No, I’m not. [chuckling] But he did contact me when I left the BNP and said:

“Would you like to do a follow up documentary?”

And basically what he wanted me to do is say that I was repudiating my past. And I was like, I would happily talk about where my life has gone wrong or where I think my life could have gone better or how could I have made better choices. But I’m never repudiating nationalism and I’m never standing up there and saying:

“That the things I said that were ideologically were all wrong!”

You know, people might say:

“Oh, well, what did you say that time in your car when you were depressed because your girlfriend was late?”

Whatever. You know, young lads say daft things, but I’m not going back on my political points. I’m never going back on those.

And he didn’t want that. He didn’t want Young Nazi and Proud Part II where I was sort of middle aged, you know., Still, still Nazi, and still Proud! [chuckling] he didn’t want that. He wanted a:

“This is how being sucked into a political organisation ruins a man’s life.”

And I don’t consider my life to be ruined. I don’t consider myself to be an unhappy person. I consider myself to be happier!

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One of the reasons why I spend such a huge portion of my time on the phone to people, helping people and talking to people about their problems and trying to boost people’s morale and do these community outreach things is because I want to spread happiness. I want other nationalists to live a good life.

And I’ve had a chequered past and yeah, I’ve had some mad times and maybe some bad times, but I’m still here. And generally speaking, I think I’m quite an upbeat and positive guy. That’s why I like doing these streams. That’s why I love holding the camps, that’s why I love going to the events, that’s why I love doing all these things with you people. That’s why I love this community. That’s why when I started PA, I wanted a movement like this. That’s why when we have one of these camps or when we have conference, I shake everyone’s hand coming in, I give everyone a hug before they go home, because I genuinely do love all you guys and I treat you like family.

Any guy, any of you who know me and have said, look, can I come to your house?”

You guys have all been invited to my house, out for dinner with me. And I’ve treated you all like brothers. I’ve treated you all like extended family. You know, my wife’s cooked for you, you’ve been welcome in your house, I’ve broken bread with you. That’s what I believe. I genuinely believe that it is community first. And I live that every day of my life.

And I suppose that’s the final message for this stream. I don’t think there’s any more Superchats. But oh, there is. There’s one more from Beer Hall Pooch. Thanks so much:

“BNP should have put Brons in at the last minute as a feint against the system. Lee Barnes, think what you will, suggested this.”

I said Lee Barnes suggested this and the [word unclear] agreed because we held Brons in high regard. He’s Third Position and has that cosy uncle demeanour that would’ve sold with the public.”

A lot of people said that at the time. My dad always maintains that.

But look, the takeaway from this is whatever you want to take away from this stream tonight. But my takeaway from this is always the same. If we’re going to win at the ballot box, which is very hard, it’s almost impossible, like I’ve just laid out. And even if you do win, just wait until one of those high turnout elections rolls around like a tsunami and washes away your sandcastle.

But before we do any of that, we need a community.

And that’s what I’ve spent the last five years of my life trying to do. I’ve put myself on the line, I put my family on to build this community because I believe in it.

And I’m not counting elections out.

But what I am saying is if you put all your eggs in that basket like nationalist parties have in the past, you’re not going to win! Because the system is designed so you don’t win! And the only small groups that do win are the ones that built a community first. And that’s what we must do.

So I just want to say thank you to everyone who tuned in. Thank you to everyone who’s with us. It’s been a long stream. I genuinely thank everyone who’s been here with me for 2 hours and ten minutes. It’s been a good one. I’ve really enjoyed it. I hope you’ve enjoyed it. I hope you’ve all learnt something. I hope you’ve got something out of it you want. I thank everyone who donated so generously as well, from the bottom of my heart, you guys have been extremely generous tonight. I couldn’t be more grateful.

And finally, I just want to say, if you are out doing activism this weekend, if you are out doing community outreach, if you’re out leaflet in for an election, whatever, you’re doing, good, good! But bear in mind, the foundation for victory is out there and we can see it. We can see it because other people have achieved victory. And that foundation is a solid one. It’s community, it’s coming together and it’s doing something that we can build upon. Don’t put the cart before the horse!

But do stay safe. Do have a good weekend, whatever you’re up to.

I’ll be back on Sunday with Warren Balogh for our film review. We’re reviewing The Long Good Friday. It’s his choice. Be there Sunday 07:00 pm If you want a light hearted stream. I hope you’ve enjoyed tonight. I really have. I love you all. Thank you for being part of this amazing community. I hope to see you all later in the year, at one of our community events. Thank you and good night, everyone. Love you all. See you soon.

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@katana17
1 day ago
Here’s the transcript of the video:

Mark Collett – Is the Electoral Route a Dead End? – May 10, 2024 – Transcript

@S.S.92
1 hour ago
Not in the US.

@takizakura123
22 hours ago
A non political council of Briton’s would have far more power politically than a fringe political party.

@NormanKing1066
1 day ago
Muslims have something that we don’t have, religious unity. Good luck getting that amongst white people who all think they know best.

@NormanKing1066
1 day ago
Need to take all the effort put into elections and put it into campaigning against democracy altogether. It doesn’t work, it will never work, people need to be told this truth whether they like it or not.
Until enough people accept the fact that voting will not remove the treasonous ruling class, nothing will ever change.

@NormanKing1066
1 day ago
Exact same issue here in Australia with the two party preferred system. A govt can take power with less than a third of the vote! Meanwhile millions of people vote for minor parties and get literally NO representation at all.
Worse, we are forced to give a “preference” so the govt can say “well people preferred us” but if someone says they’d prefer to drink piss than eat shit, that doesn’t mean they would ever willingly choose in 1000 years to drink piss!
You have to give parties a percentage of seats that represents the exact percentage of the vote that they get. Even then democracy doesn’t work, but at least people will actually have some semblance of representation!
We used to have the Senate (upper house) that tried to do this, but they even rigged that so it doesn’t happen anymore!
Democracy is a lie and a joke, it’s completely rigged, nuts to this system!

@NormanKing1066
1 day ago
Yes, it’s dead. /discussion
Seriously, people need to wake up. There is NO democratic/political solution, never was never will be.
If it was possible to vote out tyranny they wouldn’t let us vote.

@Aunt-Sally
1 day ago
Great stream. I had worked some of this out for myself but it’s great to hear you explain properly how it all works.

GusinLanzarote Alt Right
1 day ago(edited)
That was Brillante Mark- telling Griffin to work out before QT ‍He SHOULD have been in PEAK physical & mental form. Instead he came across as a greasy slimy dodgy incompetant fat little man THAT was the moment we lost initiative – like the Crusader states at Hattin in 1187, like Charles 1st at Marston moor in 1644 & like the Werhmacht outside Moscow in Dec 1941. From then on it was a defensive losing battle of attrition.Only ONE Nationalist has ever had the chance to address MILLIONS that man is Griffin. Worst of all he wont even apologize or admit he could have done better & let us all down that infamous night

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@Spectromancer
1 day ago
No, Willem de Oranje was your occupational government. Then came “Bank of England”. Parliament was bought and paid for ever since

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1 day ago
Ιf you are reading this Mark, please research what happened to the Golden Dawn in Greece.
The list of insults or violations of their supposed system is endless.
I can, with confidence say that voting is POINTLESS. You can’t vote yourself out of this regime, not possible.
It is all a charade

Earthling Carl
2 days ago
Unless they allow Patriotic Alternative or another true nationalist group to become a party I don’t see the point in voting. You’re just choosing a slower form of White genocide.

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Osric
1 day ago
You’re chosing to consent.

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@takizakura123
2 days ago(edited)
Obviously a dead end. If the natives started voting as a block the same as non natives the british ruling class would shut them down. What they fear most is community leading to organising which is why we need a representative council of Briton’s.

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@Spectromancer
2 days ago
I was actually living in Exeter when UKIP did the big distraction. Nick Griffin was portrayed as a knuckle dragging cave man. I’m not english so I didn’t really know any better. The propaganda won clearly.

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2 days ago
We here in the States LOVE you, Mark. May you NEVER give up the good fight. Deus vult.

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
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oceans
2 days ago
I don’t think it’s helpful to see “do community first” or “we must do X first” before electoral politics. the two aren’t mutually exclusive. why not emphasise community without knocking other kinds of outreach. maybe the two complement each other. when you say “we won’t find success until we first do X” you’re just giving people an excuse to not try on all fronts.

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2 days ago
God bless Mark, Thanks for the show

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2 days ago
cheerio

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
HAIL WARREN!

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
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Stan1
2 days ago
Really informative – have a great weekend all

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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Nice one, Mark. Tremenbdous honesty.

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2 days ago
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Speak your mind
2 days ago
Great stream Mark, thank you. wishing you all a good night.

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2 days ago
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Henry
2 days ago
thank you mark top man

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@BritishGammon
2 days ago
Great stream & chat. Night folks.

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Fearless sunshine
2 days ago
M :white_heart: C

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2 days ago
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2 days ago

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
He doesn’t hiug Pooch! Lol

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Eh
2 days ago
journo wanted a Jim.

Speak your mind
2 days ago
and you have become a good leader

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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Mark is always there for folk

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Henry
2 days ago
they love making those documentaries about people who have changed their views

danzimmons
2 days ago
he wanted to show a cuck

danzimmons
2 days ago
every western nation

Henry
2 days ago
usury is a sin

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@NormanKing1066
1 day ago
God says it’s a capital crime.

danzimmons
2 days ago
millions every day simply to house brown parasites

@noreplacement
2 days ago
beef dripping

danzimmons
2 days ago
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Henry
2 days ago
i need chips in tallow

danzimmons
2 days ago
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@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago
Where is tbe area?

Henry
2 days ago
we now live in a country where men go to jail for stickers

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@noreplacement
2 days ago
Get swaziboob girl to get a photo with Keir Starmer

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
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@AlbionForever
2 days ago
If the BNP trial of 2006 happened today, they’d all be found guilty.

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1 day ago
IF ONLY the online Big Time 2015-19 had come along at the SAME time as the Real world BNP peak 2006-10 I have learnt SO MUCH from the online shows, debates etc had they been around in 2009 EVERY BNP soldier from Nick on QT to me in Biggin Hill with my leaflets on a sunday morning would have had 10× the arguments knowledge & powers of persuasión to break the Liberal spell most Normies are enslaved by

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@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago
Zwaziboob is a legend

Henry
2 days ago
end stage liberalism

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Fascinating BNP history tonight. I was NF so didn’t know some of this

Eh
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
i disagree. foreigners pose a threat to all of us.

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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Yes, but the middle class are too comfortable

Eh
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
i dunno mate; nationalism is for everyone.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Mark has been impressive tonight

@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago
This is a tremendous stream.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Spot on, Mark. I’ll say it’s the middle-class

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2 days ago

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People need to understand WW2. we fought the nationalist German’s for the jews and they have had an iron grip on us ever since. Hitler was for Germany for German’s. Churchill betrayed England fact

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@TimSeymour
2 days ago
Mark in QT would be something amazing!

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2 days ago

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People haven’t even got the brain cells to ask themselves why does the government borrow money with interest when they can print interest free money .like why are the government in 2 trillion debt.

Eh
2 days ago
killed off Chilton Enquiry on one day by doing all the interviews in one go.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Griffin claims he deliberately went on QT to get beaten up and get sympathy support.

Stan1
2 days ago
QT nowadays is utter cows dung

Eh
2 days ago
Blair even knocked the Chilton Enquiry out of the park.

@TimSeymour
2 days ago
Such a shame

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
$1.00
BNP should have put in Brons at the last minute as a feint against the System. Lee barnes (think what you will) suggested this and the NF agreed cos we held Brons in high regard. He’s Third Position and has that cosy uncle demeanour that would have sold with public.

Eh
2 days ago
if it worked nice

@BritishGammon
2 days ago
Fascinating stream.

Stan1
2 days ago
And I utterly despise Blair

@noreplacement
2 days ago
NG failed due to his ego. Plus, he tried to appease instead of standing his ground and going on the offensive.

Eh
2 days ago
exactly!

Stan1
2 days ago
Best way

Henry
2 days ago
pepper him with negative questions

Eh
2 days ago
he sucked up to the black lady Bonnie something

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
He also threw you under the bus on QT. When he got challenged on something you said about Churchill, he said “he’s not our head of publicity”>

Speak your mind
2 days ago
Mark is brilliant.

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2 days ago
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Henry
2 days ago
even trump has those mock debate preps

Eh
2 days ago
mock runs is the best idea

Eh
2 days ago
mentally is the best

Eh
2 days ago
he was good on the BBC before then

oceans
2 days ago
Mark is right about Nick Griffin’s appearance. totally agree. Mark would have done much better.

Henry
2 days ago
i remember how that was hyped up so much

Eh
2 days ago
yes he flipped it all up

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
Oh yes lol

oceans
2 days ago
He didn’t do well in question time

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago

@Me
Indeed.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Good Q

Eh
2 days ago

@ReedJohnson
true. hard enough for us let along smaller parties.

Speak your mind
2 days ago
Brilliant stream tonight.

@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago
well said

@MarkCollett

Henry
2 days ago
we’ve just got to get over minor disagreements the cause is too important

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
The narcissism of small differences.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Even Mark says he’s “not in charge”. The membership are

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
The split was a good thing. Those people needed to leave.

Henry
2 days ago
petty squabbles over minor differences while our country is invaded

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Agreed. Too many cranks in Nationalism.

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
like libertarians moving to new hampshire

@NotBabyHitler88
2 days ago
its childish understanding of the world

@NotBabyHitler88
2 days ago
vooting is ridiculous

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Nice one, Mark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Henry
2 days ago
just dont vote labcondems

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
$1.00
Stevenson said he would vote Galloway, So that’s me and him. Tollah and Arab Soc Nat are sympathetic. Are with all nuts, mate?

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@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Let’s get Mark’s perspective on it.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
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Do you agree that the Muslim vote block swung the vote for George Galloway in Rochdale?

Henry
2 days ago
do politicians care about spoiled ballots? i doubt it

Speak your mind
2 days ago
:joy: :joy:

Whyte
2 days ago

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
I would vote Galloway and Stevenson said he would too, Make of that what you will, mate.

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@AlbionForever
2 days ago
HAHAHAHAHA

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2 days ago
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2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
that can be enough to swing a vote, on a falling turnout amongst Whites.

@NotBabyHitler88
2 days ago
We do need to organize

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
IN a way, yes. But Muslims are only 20% in Rochdale so your theory doesn’t quite work

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@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
White people are divided politically

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2 days ago
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Speak your mind
2 days ago
100% agree

@NotBabyHitler88
2 days ago
Muslims aren’t banned from politics

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Muslims got George Galloway elected.

oceans
2 days ago
yo

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Nice one, Mark

@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago
It’s a great stream.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
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Interestingly in Ireland, which has a revolutionary/oppressed mentality, we don’t see that translating into electoral changes, but instead huge protests.

@NotBabyHitler88
2 days ago
Germany Nationalist party was outlawed. If we make political headway it will jist be outlawed

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2 days ago
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Henry
2 days ago
proportional rep is massive

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Interestingly in Ireland, which has a revolutionary/oppressed mentality, we don’t see that translating into electoral changes, but instead huge protests.

@CrankyCracker2
2 days ago
:fire:

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
East Germany is almost 1488

@BillAtheling
2 days ago

@TimSeymour
yes, articulate, sensible and honest

@TimSeymour
2 days ago
Superb presentation tonight Mark.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
We NEED a revolutionary mentality. The English are too fk weak.

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2 days ago
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Henry
2 days ago
there is a massive lack of courage in britain

@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago

@baxter
It’s having impact now. Look at th3se Anti-Israel demonstrations

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Many of those countries have recent histories of revolutions and political upheavals as well.

oceans
2 days ago
there is plenty to be hopeful about too. not everything is doom and gloom. there is plenty we can do.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Tremendous honesty from Collett tonight

Speak your mind
2 days ago
Very well thought out Mark.

Henry
2 days ago
i wonder if the decline in mass media in next decade will have any impact

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@oceans
Fair point

oceans
2 days ago
I have no idea. Mark is just telling things as he sees it. I have always thought Mark was honest, even if I disagree with him. Doesnt mean his judgement and instincts are always right, though.

@noreplacement
2 days ago
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Fearless sunshine
2 days ago
Cucker Tarlson is a malicious Coward and very overpaid.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
I can imagine how BNp hardliners felt. So sad

Stan1
2 days ago
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2 days ago
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2 days ago
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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
14s for Chris Bev!

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
BNP never won in “War-sest-er-shy-er” (Mmmuican). “Wust-er” (English) LOL

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Ace stream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
HAIL BRONS! Ex-NF

@noreplacement
2 days ago
What happened to Richard Barnbrook?

Chief Moody
2 days ago

@oceans
So, who do you think would be the ideal person other than Mark?

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Waste of time. Tories have Reform as back-up.

@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago
Naive to think the establishment wouldn’t hit back. Now we know they will and have to plan for that and build capabilities to counter.

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Thoughts on Dominic Cummings creating a new party

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@Stan1
I wish all you domnos would ask him a question. TY anyway, Stan, mate

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2 days ago

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oceans
2 days ago
well I like Mark, and he has many talents, but he’s just not the person to inspire and lead people and find creative solutions. Mark seems unhappy and like he lost his spark/fire.

Chief Moody
2 days ago

@oceans
Which party or group would you support?

Henry
2 days ago
BNP were the ultimate bogeyman

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@oceans
you know Nick Griffin went on the same Muslim podcast as Mark did right?

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
MOst radical BNP member to win was Chris Bev.

@BritishGammon
2 days ago
Great stream – very interesting

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
BNP toward the end started promoting Churchill though. It became middle-class patriotard IMHO

Henry
2 days ago
nick griffin accusing you of hiring hit man yesterday, can’t believe that man

oceans
2 days ago
And now Mark Collett is talking about how nationalists should ally with brown Muslims.

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2 days ago
I was over the moon when Brons was MEP

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2 days ago

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Henry
2 days ago
what did BNP do with their power

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@AntiMattoid
TOP BOY. Well done

@noreplacement
2 days ago
We worked hard leafletting and going to hustings et cetera

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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Halifax is almost as cold as Oldham (high up)

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Steve Smith was the man in Burnley

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
NF never had a prob with BNp only with Griffo

Stan1
2 days ago

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Good one

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2 days ago
I was with NF and me and my NF region STILL leafletted for BNP

@PaganBear
2 days ago
Nationalists need to have kids, not waste time in European politics, they would kill you if you got elected.

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2 days ago

@withey
Have a good night.

withey
2 days ago
i must go, goodnight all 14/88 28

@PaganBear
2 days ago
White people with brains in the EU and survival instinct need to leave Stalinist western EU. I think going to Hungary would be the best idea. The internet is global so you can try to reach people that way, I think the “normies” need to taste Stalinism before the snap out of it

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@AlbionForever
2 days ago
They left to join a party run by a doxxer and a fed who gets off committing terror offences.

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2 days ago
All the boomers on my tiktok channel spamming “vote reform” were infuriating

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@oceans
or maybe, he isn’t lying to people and pulling the wool over their eyes.

Chief Moody
2 days ago
Oh, here comes the butthurt.

oceans
2 days ago
I can see why some of the young talent in PA left Mark. Mark is no longer inspiring.

@TimSeymour
2 days ago
We know who they are (ex PA) :sweat_smile:

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2 days ago

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@BritishGammon
2 days ago
$25.00
In the absence of a nationalist candidate would it be better to encourage people to turn up and spoil their ballot paper rather than vote tactically or not vote at all?
And would the establishment even care if thousands of people voted “none of the above”?

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2 days ago
I’ve read Siege, you can’t give me any reality checks at this point lol

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Mark even almost puts me to shame on ideology. Gonna have to have a word with that cheeky monkey! LOL

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
14s if Mark gets it

@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago
I hate to say but I do question some of the link analysis being made here. I think we need to drill down a bit deeper into reasons people do come out to vote. In conjuction we need to look at social media opportunities.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Guy*

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Barnbrook was the 1st white-suit gut before Dickhead Spencer

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
i read that pcc can direct the policing, i would target certain demographics

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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Hail Galloway!

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
Fact of the day: Nat Soc existed before Uncle. He did not invent it. Strasser came before. Most Nats don’t like that fact. LOL

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Muslim independents did well on the gaza ticket

withey
2 days ago
lib dems should be extinct

Stan1
2 days ago
People are tooooooooo comfortable

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Even Civ nat is redundant. Call them patriotards

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
i prefer to be differentiated from civ nats

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
If the Austrian painter hadn’t been toppled, Germany would’ve been the most powerful nation on earth today, I believe.

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Reform waiting for the general election

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
“Ethno-nationalist” is redundant term. Just say Nationalist.

withey
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
agreed

DOLO
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
I’d love that.

withey
2 days ago

@Pictoff
you are astute

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
A European power-block led by Germany would be basically unstoppable, once the demographic situation was righted.

withey
2 days ago

@Pictoff
you’re too kind

@Pictoff
2 days ago

@withey
Ey yo das racis, y u so racis wite boy

DOLO
2 days ago
Ngubu no. 13 score goal, the crowd goes ooga booga wild

withey
2 days ago

@DOLO
all football is, is just chimps chasing a ball about

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Those are the only two European nations (outside of Russia) that possess nuclear weapons.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@withey
yes. As an example, if all of Europe was to turn completely nationalist, the nuclear arsenals of Britain and France would be essential to ensuring that we don’t get the Serbia treatment from the US.

withey
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
union is united, bound governed whereas alliance is independent cooperation

DOLO
2 days ago
I watch white men beat the shit out of each other in bkb these days, fk homo sportball

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2 days ago
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@noreplacement
2 days ago
I watch and cheer on any team made up of white players

DOLO
2 days ago
I just played through Scarface on ps2, so good

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Small nations won’t survive, only Empires and Superpowers will.

withey
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
yeah alliance not union

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
You were buzzing for the world Cup during the Russell Brand interview!

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Fk football. Mario Golf on the NES for the win

@MarkCollett

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@withey
some kind of Union where the different nations of Europe retain their individuality, but work together against bigger threats.

DOLO
2 days ago
I assume he get’s it from Yokey

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Wait, Galloway has PR in his manifesto? Rightoids be like reeee! 404, does not compute.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@DOLO
Spencer’s not the only one espousing that idea. It’s the only way Europe will survive in a modern, global world.

@Pictoff
2 days ago
We need the EU like we need a hole in our heads

withey
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
that would be an alliance not a ‘union’

DOLO
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
That’s the Spencer special

@WhiteLightKnight
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
Very good point.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
To be honest, in the future we will need some kind of EU, but run in the interests of nationalists.

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2 days ago
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Stan1
2 days ago
They’ll never allow Proportional Representation

@Deanfranjek
2 days ago
nationalism is on the rise a good thing

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Euroscepticism is a waste of nationalist energy. It’s akin to obsessing over the WEF. They’re just branches on the much bigger globalist weed.

@Pictoff
2 days ago
Farage’s brexit victory was never leaving the EU, It was a wool over the eyes moment, We are still very much in the EU

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Nationalism is beyond Left/Right

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
From the horses mouth

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Tories and muh “Right” are scum

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@withey
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630847/More-black-people-allowed-Britain-leave-EU-immigration-non-issue-says-Nigel-Farage.html

Stan1
2 days ago
Reform, Remix, Recon, Reflex??? We need the Remove Party

DOLO
2 days ago
Yeah, they did, and then Farage backed down, for reasons

withey
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
no that is revenge by the state

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago

@BrotherB.
Hello and welcome.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Hundreds of thousands of Indians coming to the UK every year. That’s Farage’s Brexit “victory”.

Fearless sunshine
2 days ago
Only malnourished Lice were gassed. Sadly many survived.

Eh
2 days ago
seems fair

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Nigel Farage’s little con was to get everyone angry about European immigration so he could replace it with Africans and Asians.

It’s me BrotherB.
2 days ago
South Florida in the house

DOLO
2 days ago

@withey
\o

withey
2 days ago

@DOLO
same here

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
we all have different interests, but for our taxes we are provided with services, some of which we don’t need, which is why we must vote for the party we want

DOLO
2 days ago
I’m a NatSoc, i don’t want to pretend to be anything else.

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2 days ago
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DOLO
2 days ago
the BNP was not watered down like UKIP

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@withey
I would consent to tax is it was 10% and spent on NHS, women, children, elderly etc. But it’s not. It’s spent on foreign aid, war, politicians wages. I sympathise with anarchism. Think what you will, mate

Eh
2 days ago
“Don’t vote for this Nazi” flipping c wotsits

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Jack Strawstein

@noreplacement
2 days ago
Never forget. Never forgive

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Look at Nick Griffin’s appearence on QT. All the big party representatives on the panel united together against the BNP.

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
theft would be taken and left uncompensated

@BritishGammon
2 days ago

@ReedJohnson
Yes…hilarious lol

DOLO
2 days ago
lol

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
it’s a service charge, the service must exist in the first place

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago

@BritishGammon
Funny how that happens.

@BritishGammon
2 days ago
After the election a promise becomes an “aspiration”

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@withey
Theft: taking without owner’s consent. Do we have the choice to consent? No. Pay or be locked up. If that’s not theft, I don’t know what is.

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
14

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
20 fags in Vietnam = £1. Pint of beer =£1.50. Fkn Commies, right? PMSL

@AlternativePatriot
2 days ago
Income tax is definitely theft, as well as council tax

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
not so much theft, but definitely misappropriate those funds

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
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@BritishGammon
2 days ago
1 (They agree on 95% and argue about the 5%-just for show)

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
14

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
1

withey
2 days ago
1

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
1

@noreplacement
2 days ago
1

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
The whole UK political system is clearly set up to prevent any kind of change, just like in the US. The whole thing is rigged.

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
A tenner says it’s a hung parliament and Galloway wins more than 1? We on?

Stan1
2 days ago
it’s been carefully crafted by the master mathmeticians

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
no he won’t. Labour will win a landslide in 2025. And then in 2030 after Labour becomes hugely unpopular again, the public will turn back to the Tories again.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Galloway is going to huirt them big time, Albion, mate

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
I remember saying “give it a few years, they’ll be back on top”

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Remember in 2019 everyone was saying that Labour was finished after Corbyn lost that election.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Zombies, mark

withey
2 days ago

@Lemonaid22
but they give the appearance of left and right

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
mark knows his Nationalism. I won’t deny him that -much as we don’t se eye to eye. LOL. Best working Nat out there

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Centrist? They’re both on the left

withey
2 days ago
every party should be on the ballot

Stan1
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
we were all young once

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Must confess I voted Tory in 1997 to stop Labour. I was young and a Tory Boy back then. I wince at how I used to be. But an education with the National Front soon crushed that stupidity.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Tax is theft. 14s if agree.

withey
2 days ago
absolute theatre, with talking over each other and making up figures

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
FK GDP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
1

@noreplacement
2 days ago
bollox

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Last one I watched was before the GE in 2015.

@TimSeymour
2 days ago
1

I own a doghouse
2 days ago
1

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
1 torture

DOLO
2 days ago
Yes, but not for years

@AlternativePatriot
2 days ago
The only way a council tax boycott would work is if we lived in the same area in a small town or village

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago
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Stan1
2 days ago
Ben Eltonstein

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Ben Elton was right about Thatcher

danzimmons
2 days ago
millions a day, just to house brownoids

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@withey
Migrants don’t pay Council Tax. print money = suicide. It can’t go on

danzimmons
2 days ago
vootin will definitely change something, different multi millionaire’s will make even more shekel’s

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
1000 boycotting Council Tax =700, 000- 100,000 lost revenue every month. Let’s see the System then treat us like shit

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
they have all the answers, other people to replace us, printing money, etc

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2 days ago
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@noreplacement
2 days ago
What you write will be read. I’ve been to vounts

Eh
2 days ago
yep and then Nigel comes along

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago

@withey
Disagree. Poll Tax riots of 1990s -did folk starve then? It was a win for the folk.

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
only answer is to change the mindset, just vote for who you want because things can’t get much worse

Eh
2 days ago
yep and the.

@noreplacement
2 days ago
Spoil your paper and write a racial nationalist slogan

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
Yeah, and the party is only small because they refuse to vote for them.

Eh
2 days ago
hello

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
No, go to the ballot box and spoil your vote. This is counted and declared

withey
2 days ago

@BeerHallPooch
we will starve before the establishment

danzimmons
2 days ago
Vootin is consenting.

@noreplacement
2 days ago
It’s not about backing the winning team

DOLO
2 days ago
When i voted BNP it was the only time i felt like my vote actually mattered

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Stop voting. Further delegitimise the System. Mass non-compliance; mass boycott of Council Tax

danzimmons
2 days ago

Fearless sunshine
2 days ago
Treason doesn’t even get a misdemeanor charge anymore.

DOLO
2 days ago
Voting for the uniparty is the definition of a wasted vote

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Hail Rick Barnbrook

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Statist Nats stuck in the 1800s: “Wait, UKIP got nearly 4 million votes and only 1 MP? 404. Does not compute. Land of hope and glory. Muh civic duty. Muh British way!”

danzimmons
2 days ago
nigel, it’s not easy being a mark’ destroying any chance of a populist win, but it sure does pay well.

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
And they only won that seat because it was a defector from the Tories.

Chief Moody
2 days ago

@ReedJohnson
That is true. I would imagine these are the same haters who claim to understand revolutionary voting patterns.

Reginald Collett
2 days ago
it’s over!

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
British (ZOG) democracy: rule by zombies. I have far more respect for those that stay at home than vote Lib-Lab-Con

@TimSeymour
2 days ago
Ironic the number was 14!

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago

@Chief_Moody
Haters gonna hate.

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
There was a referendum on this when lib dems were in coalition govt

Chief Moody
2 days ago
I wonder who are the 14 people who slimed the stream?

@ReedJohnson
2 days ago

@AlbionForever
Yes it is. Lol

@AlbionForever
2 days ago

@ReedJohnson
it’s my turn now…

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
FPtPS is a nice little earner for the System. The whole thing is illigitimate

danzimmons
2 days ago
lol

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
0.02
Hi Mark. DId you know that the Fairchild A10 Thunderbolt 2 has a single 30mm Gatling cannon and 2 General Electric turbines. When it fires it’s gun and puts it’s engines to full it will actually accelerate backwards, that is how powerful it is.

Mosschops
2 days ago

@Me
Evening

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2 days ago

@AlbionForever
Haha. Excellent new avatar.

Eh
2 days ago
just u

Eh
2 days ago
ffs

withey
2 days ago
good evening all 14/88 wpww 28

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2 days ago
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danzimmons
2 days ago
plus they couldn’t help but boast how they rigged the election against Drumph in Time

@AlbionForever
2 days ago
0.05
Hi Mark. Would it be suspicious for a party to get registered when the Electoral Commission are aware that they have been breaking the law?

Eh
2 days ago
hi sweetie pies

danzimmons
2 days ago
Hillary Clinton literally scolded Biden for not “fixing” the election in the Middle East

billybrown
2 days ago
probably happens in big cities but not everywhere. they can definitely add some here and there

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Tower hamlets Muslim mayor was convicted of vote tampering

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
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2 days ago
Nice 1, Eddy

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2 days ago

@Eddy
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@Eddy
2 days ago
$20.00
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2 days ago
Take local seats as an independent and don’t reveal power level

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2 days ago
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billybrown
2 days ago
know why other people might be doing things a certain way

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Cos we won’t recant on Nat principles

billybrown
2 days ago
help make the best choice

Speak your mind
2 days ago
agree@LukeThHermit

@Lemonaid22
2 days ago
Why have PA not received approval from electoral commission, but other lesser nationalist parties have been approved?

@LukeTheHermit
2 days ago
General is dead until we take local

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2 days ago
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@TimSeymour
2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
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Speak your mind
2 days ago
hello everyone

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2 days ago
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2 days ago
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2 days ago
YES

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2 days ago
Hail Mark. Audio/visual ok

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2 days ago
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Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
All those questions you’ve ever wanted to pose on the Movement, get them in. Let’s get this Movement moving forward.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Circa 3-4 million UKIP voters. Say, Oceans, where are their MPs cos muh elections?

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Still wasting everyone’s time on electioneering? Have you learned nothing? Biden was a rigged election. Nevermind, let’s keep playing the System’s game.

oceans
2 days ago
so Mark Collett says to ally with brown Muslims and give up on trying to get our people elected?

oceans
2 days ago
M

Cecil
2 days ago
It’s not a dead end, it’s just a question of persuading Britons to vote in their own interests. More professionalism, better propaganda, and decisive leadership can make this happen. But we all need to invest time and money in the groups and people who can effect the change

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2 days ago
This will be a controversial one, this topic always causes a schism between us all sadly. I get both sides though. I think we should do whatever we can, try to shake things up in the local council seats but never stop the IRL and community building either.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
Hey, Nats: You know why the System does what it does to us? Cos it does not suffer the consequences. Like a child whose soft parents will not spank its arse, it carries on with bad conduct. Spoiled children are in office laughing at us.

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
$14.88
Hail Mark. I put my money where my mouth is. Me & Pete Rushton (his permission) say leading Nats need to meet privately to figure out a new way forward. Ideas, strategy, tactics on the table. We are now piss-arsing about with outdated positions. We’re not saving all Whites. Pls discuss. Important :thumbs_up:

Beer Hall Pooch
2 days ago
^^^

Henry
3 days ago
Our people only have ourselves to blame. Faced with people who hate us, we meekly give in. I don’t understand this mentality.

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Joe Marsh – British People Views on Immigration 50 Years Ago – Feb 15, 2024 – Transcript

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Joe Marsh

British People Views on Immigration 50 Years Ago

Pretty Much the Same as Today

Thu, Feb 15, 2024

[British people being interviewed, circa 1974, on their neighbourhoods being flooded with non-Whites against their wishes, and all expressing anger at what is happening to their world.

Their opinions were, of course, totally ignored, as it is today, because the agenda, by those (((who rule))), has all along been one of White dispossession and replacement across the West.

– KATANA]

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Man: (1) It’s a tragedy for Britain, a tragedy for the British people, and in particular a tragedy for towns like Southall. The reason for this is in the future it was hoped that these people would integrate with the British. But there’s no hope of that at all! And this can only result in the future that ghettos will set up all over the country.

Man: (2) (? Nick Griffin) The simple fact of the matter is that we do not have sufficient houses, jobs, and schools for our own people, let alone immigrants, be they black, brown, yellow or green! It simply boils down to a question of numbers.

Woman: (1) Well of course, there are far too many immigrants in this country! When will the public wake up to the fact that you cannot put a quart into a pint bottle!

Couple: (man) About twelve or so years ago there was very few people in Southall who were prejudiced. We did everything we possibly could to make these people welcome and help them when they first came here. But as there’s been more and more come into the town we’ve said to the authorities:

“Please no more, we’re full up!”

Still they keep coming in by the hundred!

Today there’s very few people in Southall who are not prejudiced.

Couple: (woman) We hate them!

Couple: (man) And unless something’s done about this quick, that prejudice is going to be sheer bloody hatred!

Woman: (2) If we are obliged to have these immigrants, why can’t they be dispersed to other areas? Especially to the areas of these MPs, and the people that welcome them to this country?

Woman: (3) My grandparents were married here in 1867. And six generations of my family have lived here. But now I’m being driven out! The local cemetery – where all my people are buried, all my family – was used for gambling and drinking. And even the tombstones have been damaged. The one next to my mother’s was.

Couple: (man) Like everybody else. All our friends have gone! There’s nothing left for English people in this town anymore!

I would like to say this. My wife and I used to like to go out weekends, go down to the local, have a couple of drinks, meet friends in there. We can’t go into the local anymore. They’re full up with noisy foreigners! And we don’t like it!

Couple: (woman) We don’t like it!

Couple: (man) We haven’t got a place left, where we, the English people, can enjoy ourselves in this town.

Couple: (woman) After going through two World Wars, we should at least have the dignity of being allowed to live with our own kind!

Woman: (4) We have no room, we’ve no jobs! And our poor lads are fighting in Ireland, while our own country is being invaded!

Man: (3) I mean the situation we’ve got now is that you can’t find jobs, accommodation, in your own town. I don’t come from Bradford. I’m here today to support the Bradford people. Because they’ve been left out. They don’t get a say in what’s going on. They’re pushed up here, the coloured people. They’re put into an overcrowded situation, and it’s just leaving chaos behind.

Man: (4) I’m a Scotsman living in London. I’ve come all the way from London, but I am a Britisher! And I am here, and I feel there is a great problem here in Bradford. I’m not a politician, I’m a working-class man. I’m a member of the British public.

I spent eleven and a half years in British forces. I spent it in the Airborne and the SAS, and I’m here now, marching for these people! Because to me, we have been sold out all the way along the line by Heath! Wilson! And everybody else! And I am not a politician! And I don’t want to be interested in politics! Just a member of the British public! That’s all!

Man: (5) There’s too many people in the country. They keep letting these immigrants in, knowing very well that the mass majority of the British people are against this immigration.

Man: (6) We’ve got enough in Bradford. Let’s keep them out. We’ve got enough over here! We’ve already got unemployment around this area. And we’d like to see them kicked, kept out, the rest of them. They’ve brought too many over, and we’re not going to stand for it. We’re going to fight against it.

Man: (7) A British working man. That’s how I describe myself. A British working man, no more or less. That’s all. And I’m fed up and tired of being pushed from pillar to post. The British people can’t get a way in, while the immigrants can. They get everything laid on a plate for them, they get money laid out for them. Goods when they want it, and we get nothing! Sweet all, nothing!

All I want is the best for my children and my family and my people! That’s all I want. Just the best for my people and my country.

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@jumblestiltskin1365
5 days ago
Crazy to see how the politicians have ignored this for so long.
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@Tr1ck0rTr3at
5 days ago
they’ve not ignored, they’ve encouraged it.
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@leonardgibney2997
5 days ago
Because we keep electing them.
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@shaunusmaximus6399
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 go marry a 6yo
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@Lovemy911
5 days ago
All by design unfortunately…
God bless our govt
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@Pathoian
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 until judgement day mate, good luck with that reckoning
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@foylad4862
5 days ago
Living blind in a regime
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@icantcook9998
5 days ago
And if you don’t put your foot down they’re going to keep doing it
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@markdaniels2200
5 days ago
@leonardgibney2997 Then change it & get others too aswell…
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@rt-uh6mt
5 days ago
At first I think they thought it was beneficial for economic reasons. Young workers passing taxes and all. But now all I can think is these politicians are “under a spell.” It makes absolutely no sense anymore
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@politics392
5 days ago
Get the tories out get labour out vote refourm
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@ShanghaiRooster
3 days ago
Over the course of this week I’ve been watching a DVD issued by the BFI in 2011 in a series of films made by the COI (Central Office of Information) over the decades. This one is volume 5 out of 8, titled ‘Portrait of a People’ (sadly now out of print). The booklet is quite honest about how many of these short films were made principally to be screened overseas in order to promote a particular vision of Britain, and in certain cases to encourage immigration from the commonwealth and beyond. Four films made in the early 60s (only one of which is on the disc) where made to be shown in arabic speaking countries (the voiceover is in arabic) to encourage muslims to come here. Cardiff and Manchester were spotlit in two of them as desirable destinations. There may have been no ‘open invitation’ to settle here, there was definitely an unspoken policy in the Foreign Office.
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@brandywell44
3 days ago
Politicians serve the King/Queen
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@steveforster3420
3 days ago
Encouraged and allowed..not ignored,unfortunately
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@destroyerofdoommidgets2429
2 days ago
They haven’t ignored it…..it’s all on purpose. I we STILL allow them to get away with it.
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@WELLBRAN
2 days ago
Because people still vote for them …simple
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@WELLBRAN
2 days ago
@leonardgibney2997 yep I keep saying this ….stop voting!

@aa-gr2jh
2 days ago
@seankingwell3692 too right. They told us you were civilized, educated, and can build things. The roads have gone, the bridges are collapsing, the houses are crumbling. But, we get blamed for everything. Well, let me tell you something many of these farm boys landing on your shores don’t know. Many of us are planning to leave this island. We were lied to. Our economies back home are booming, growing population, full scale industrialisation in full swing. Here, they call you post industrial. Which really means you have no real jobs. With China moving up the high value manufacturing chain, you won’t have a pot to pis# in. So, believe, you can keep your island and your national debt, projected to be 21 trillion by 2070. Thanks, but no thanks.
We were lied to.
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@maxwellboyne2770
1 day ago (edited)
@rt-uh6mt I think that politicians of most persuasions believe that sheer numbers equals economic growth, but there are all sorts of nuances to that, that we could discuss it all day, not least one being that high immigration has undoubtedly kept real wages stagnant for years.
When it comes to a question of culpability, there’s no doubt however that New Labour started it, as the timing of the population boom clearly shows. An ex speech writer for Blair and Brown, who was in on every New Labour policy meeting, gave an interview where he stated that mass immigration ‘didn’t just happen; the deliberate policy of Ministers from late 2000…was to open up the UK to mass immigration’. He said he ‘came away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.
Basically, a forced ‘normalisation’ of diversity as a good thing, which makes any argument against it whatsoever, instantly wrong, and instantly dismissed. Well, what do we see today?
Voting patterns for the 2005 general election found that 80% of Caribbean and Africans had voted Labour, while only about 3% had voted Tory and 8% for the Lib Dems.
Asians voted 50% for Labour, 10% Tory and 15% Lib Dems. The roles played by local ‘community leaders’ who have strong influence in constituency Labour parties and who benefit hugely, getting stronger the more immigrants move into their areas, should also not be underestimated. Many immigrants simply vote the way their community tells them to.
So in who’s interests is all this?

@mackash
15 hours ago
They funded it
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@aranjohnson9890
7 hours ago
They haven’t, they know exactly what their doing & it’s working on you obviously, devide & conquer, let the poor ones argue & fight, while we relax & watch…

@hayleys1260
5 days ago
Back when people spoke the truth freely.
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@misdangered4326
5 days ago
They’d be put in prison for speaking the truth now.
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@lindamcavoy5516
5 days ago
We still believe it though
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@icantcook9998
5 days ago
Before the government intimidated them and Christians were allowed to sing on the streets
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@davejohnson3474
4 days ago
100% you’d be arrested for hate crime and if you said this online the police would be banging on your door
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@joski9030
4 days ago
Here Here
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@alimuzhussain8394
4 days ago
Well that’s what you get for medelling and colonising othe countries
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@mjh5437
4 days ago
@alimuzhussain8394 Mind your own business Abdul.
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@andrewcoward2416
4 days ago
Possibly the best comment so far!! Couldn’t agree more
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@vicsimmonds
3 days ago
@alimuzhussain8394 Try applying reason and logic to your statement, and get a spell-checker.
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@savemefrommorons
3 days ago
@alimuzhussain8394 great solution.. do you have anything other than parroting what you have been told to say..
one question.. why do you want to be here in the uk..is it the benefits or is this a good country? I know you cannot answer as they haven’t told you how to, but come on, give it a try.. try to think!!!!
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@sentinel6660
3 days ago
@alimuzhussain8394 says the guy from a country that takes Africans to build their cities, today.
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@GryphLane
2 days ago
If by which you mean utter lies

@GryphLane
2 days ago
@vicsimmonds You mean like racists like you haven’t?

@lilnoir4213
2 days ago
You do know that the whole movie is scripted right ?
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@havz9080
2 days ago
Deleting comments lol basically only agree or else be silenced
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@pastorbri
2 days ago
u mean lied freely

@slacey1070
18 hours ago
There’s truth, then there’s facts.

@redpineapple1527
13 hours ago
@alimuzhussain8394 Not the smartest thing to say. You’re basically making an argument against mass-migration as you consider the process as a form of revenge, therefore legitimizing the grievances of those who are against the process.
Next, Britain of today is not the same as a Britain as an Empire. And Britain is most certainly not the only country that has colonized, nor will Britain be the last country that colonizes. To use mass migration as a weapon due to Britain’s past is only a standard that is seemingly held towards Britain and other Western countries, even though the Islamic Empire enslaved far more people, under much more brutal conditions, over a much larger time period.
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@fishing-gardening-travelling
6 hours ago
Openly racist. Thank god for the change of laws.
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@pastorbri
6 hours ago
so many are sadly @fishing-gardening-travelling

@FHi349
45 minutes ago
@alimuzhussain8394 are you British-born or foreigner?

@bridiesmith5110
5 days ago
What is interesting is how unafraid they were to speak their minds.
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@ContentGramophone-tp9gw
5 days ago
Way it should be.. we didnt have the blue haired stasi like youtube then.
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@mrmillslee
5 days ago
@ContentGramophone-tp9gw how? No religion dominates in the UK – that’s the law
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@ContentGramophone-tp9gw
5 days ago
@mrmillslee check u compass if u think that applies
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@ContentGramophone-tp9gw
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 alans snackbar….justice for isha
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@paulbatson7881
5 days ago
The woke brigade aren’t shouting fascist from every corner .
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@danielking7133
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 We will all wake up and your going out of here.
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@lewislight7394
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 I’m glad ur Muslim in Jesuses name
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@darrelltregear756
5 days ago
These people would be branded far right today
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@VCanisMajorisY
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 Fair enough, what sect of Islam are you? Sunni, Shia, Sufi!
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@89leemills
3 days ago
@ContentGramophone-tp9gw please explain? Though I know there used to be a certain religion people are concerned with

@echelon2k8
3 days ago (edited)
And yet with all their being unafraid to speak their minds, still nothing came of it. The lesson the English need to learn most at this time is that actions will always speak louder than words. They need to actually do something about the situation they’re in for a change instead of only constantly whinging about it.
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@bridiesmith5110
3 days ago
@echelon2k8 true
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@kevinspalding5470
2 days ago
Wouldn’t get away with it today tho …..police force would be onto them straight away , probably get a night in the cells , threatened with prison and fined to make sure they keep their mouths shut .
We are very controlled now .
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@svenstefansson4022
1 day ago
You should do the same and speak your mind

@dezertfox3681
11 hours ago
@mrmillslee LGBT is the state religion. Ende.

@flanaj2
4 days ago
If anyone echoed these sentiments today, you’d do five years in prison for hate crimes.
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@brizzyoz2462
3 days ago
If the police identified anyone in this video they’d still go after them.
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@randomhuman2595
3 days ago
Nah
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@vgnrojo
3 days ago
Really? I don’t think so. Plenty of people come out with this crap all the time, but they don’t do 5 years in prison. You’re talking nonsense. Admit it.
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@vgnrojo
3 days ago
Scary thing is, you’ve got 37 people who’ve given your unsubstantiated ideas a thumbs up
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@brizzyoz2462
3 days ago
@vgnrojo the real scary thing is that there are millions like you who don’t actually see what’s happening. It’ll be too late when they come knocking at your door.
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@jane—489
2 days ago
*We are the majority – WE have and hold the real power, forget that at our peril ..*.
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@56cpfan
2 days ago
You wouldn’t

@56cpfan
2 days ago (edited)
@brizzyoz2462 if you’re so persecuted and silenced why don’t you ever shut up? Doesn’t make sense

@longiusaescius2537
2 days ago
@56cpfan Rotherham doesn’t exist to you apparently
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@56cpfan
2 days ago
@longiusaescius2537 if you’re so persecuted and silenced, why do I keep hearing you every single day for the last 15+ years?

@RoseQ100
19 hours ago
They’re saying the same thing now. Where have you been? Lol

@duckcensorship7446
16 hours ago
@vgnrojo 209 and counting, seems you are a minority making unwelcome noise after all

@longiusaescius2537
15 hours ago
@RoseQ100 Telford

@grimjim1599
5 days ago
The betrayal is on a different level
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@parrotshootist3004
5 days ago
If each time you raise your hand a machine slaps your face. Would you stop doing it? If each time you pick new owners to run things… Enemies don’t betray. Someone that ignores you, takes from you, and will use force to make you comply is? A friend?
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@parrotshootist3004
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 look up Sam Shamoun and Christian Prince. Many know who you worship.
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@wingaard
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 Well you’ve not started very well have you ??
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@sh.4409
5 days ago
Our ancestors wouldn’t of stood for this shit. What happened to the men?
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@rt-uh6mt
5 days ago
It’s honestly one of the greatest crimes in the history of the world. Our culture thrown away. Our grandchildren, in their own homeland, will be subjugated by these people.
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@seankingwell3692
5 days ago
@sh.4409 forced out of Ireland can’t afford to move back
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@chumbucket6184
4 days ago
@sh.4409 you’re looking at our ancestors. Baby boomers are such a disappointment. They fumbled the torch when their turn came to pass it on
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@mcrmcr1240
4 days ago
@sh.4409 not just the men,English women loves immigrants
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@shabbos-goy9407
3 days ago
@rt-uh6mt correct

@89leemills
3 days ago
@shabbos-goy9407 and of course vice versa – beautiful English women I don’t blame them

@andreasandersson1262
2 days ago
Watch ‘£uropa the last b@ttle’.
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@longiusaescius2537
2 days ago
@chumbucket6184 boomers just following the post war line tbh

@DMC888
1 day ago
@sh.4409 our ancestors were the invaders. They completely replaced the Celtic culture.
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@mitchelljarvis2010
3 days ago
When people were able to speak freely and not forced into silence for fear of being labelled racist!……….2024, it’s 1000 times worse!
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@user-qg4ch1sf9r
1 day ago
Being labelled racist by members of the public isn’t infringing on your free speech, people are allowed to disagree.
The reason it is racist is you either assuming about all immigrants, or a particular race being less willing or deserving to work by default, or you assume because of where you were born you can denote who should be able to seek a better life for their children. It’s one planet, we should be allowed to travel and better ourselves. If your government is favouring these people and not you, that’s a problem with your government, not the people they are handing out to. If people behave in a bad way wherever they are they should be kicked out or put away somewhere sure, that’s common sense
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@magnusgranskau7487
1 day ago
its a free planet, i should be able to move in under your roof. you would not hinder me in that even thought you made it possible yourself through work, and i did not. im just searching for a better place for myself . oh and ill be taking your food as well, dont be a bigot now
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@user-qg4ch1sf9r
23 hours ago
@magnusgranskau7487 your country isn’t your house
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@duckcensorship7446
16 hours ago
I hear you
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@Vent330
5 days ago
And just look at Bradford today !! If any of these people are alive today, they must be shaking their heads in disbelief !!
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@paulmetcalfe4054
5 days ago
My dad’s 91 this year and has had to accept it. What else can he do?
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@pommiebears
5 days ago
@paulmetcalfe4054 Nothing. I feel ashamed that he must feel we have let him down. I really am sorry that your father went through the war, only to have this happen.
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@Vent330
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 and I’m proud to be a Christian, each to their own
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@edwardoleyba3075
5 days ago
@Vent330 . Yes! It will be a dusty autumn’ – Ashes to Ashes. Dust to Dust
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@mrunique4871
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 you’ll find the English a tougher task than the French .
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@scotthendry6298
5 days ago
@edwardoleyba3075 there’s a lot of dust in Gazza
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@Ben-yj3hk
5 days ago
Bradistan
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@gunsharck
5 days ago
@scotthendry6298 The ex footballer?

@Ruffbiker68
5 days ago
@paulmetcalfe4054 my 81 year old dad burst out crying a few weeks ago because he cannot believe what has happened to our country the first time I have seen him cry
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@edwardoleyba3075
4 days ago
@Ruffbiker68 . That is truly sad. Tell him that there are still people fighting against this lunacy in the country. Not enough people right now, but give it time.
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@Sardarji-bq6oj
4 days ago
Southall is predominantly Sikh You don’t really hear about crime in Southall
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@edwardoleyba3075
4 days ago
@Sardarji-bq6oj . Very true. The Sikh community are decent people.
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@realisticallyspeaking
4 days ago
Ye but their bidding for capital of culture 2025
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@Sardarji-bq6oj
4 days ago
@realisticallyspeaking What culture ? Pakistani culture ?
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@Ruffbiker68
4 days ago
@Sardarji-bq6oj I lived among the Sikh community when I lived in Hounslow very very friendly people
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@Khan-H
4 days ago
They stink..
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@Khan-H
4 days ago
@Ruffbiker68 they have taken over in hounslow stinking the place
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@Ruffbiker68
4 days ago
@edwardoleyba3075 thank you my friend
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@Ruffbiker68
4 days ago
@Khan-H I haven’t been back to London for 20 years
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@neilgillespie4498
3 days ago
@pommiebears yea the war we fought the wrong enemy that’s why we are in this mess!
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@89leemills
3 days ago
Bradford was a German city some of the buildings were built by them – many left with the outbreak of war
Then the Asian Pakistani people came to fill in the jobs in the weaving factories and that’s why there is a large population of them there
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@englishpatriot9464
3 days ago
@89leemills time for deportations
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@DudeSilad
3 days ago
My mate’s dad came over from Pakistan and even he calls Bradford, Bradistan
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@user-mc1yd9bp5x
3 days ago
@DudeSilad he needs to go back home too
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@KingTeej92
3 days ago
@Ruffbiker68 There’s no need to cry

@A_MARVELLOUS_MAN
2 days ago
Bradford is like Pakistan
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@flakboss1712
2 days ago
Just like Gaza.
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@Nowhere458
2 days ago
@edwardoleyba3075 Yes but what about the Muslims?

@cleantechnologygroup
1 day ago
The issue is this, that a large number of immigrants come over to work in a few specific places and this was in hidhsight the issue. If they had been spread out, then things would have meant better integration, instead the british created ghettos. having said that, the vibrant culture and food etc has created massive benefits and bradford is doing as best as it cant giving the decline of factories etc.
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@FaizaFarah-pj4dz
1 day ago
@Nowhere458 what about the Muslims ?

@Pinkdolly1000
1 day ago
@DudeSilad but he’s just have a joke.

@5uper5kill3rz
4 hours ago (edited)
@cleantechnologygroup this is true, one of my best mates was born in Pakistan but his parents have also lived in the US & UK when they were younger & crucially they are not Muslims (his grandparents are) and he is not religious at all, he is just like me, we go to the gym together, drink together on the weekend and watch the football together and always have a laugh, he is culturally western & has a white British girlfriend who is also one of my close friends…but I think it helps that he grew up in a area of England that was mostly white with low immigration, and not somewhere like Bradford. In Karachi his family were very rich & he even has family members who are famous Bollywood actors lol, I wonder if this also makes a difference, he did live in South Yorkshire briefly when he first moved here but his friends from there were also white lads, I wonder if being non-Muslim & non-religious is the key difference between him & other immigrants who don’t seem to integrate, I don’t know.

@FFS704
5 days ago
The Ex SAS guy’s comments were very moving. An honorable man, who served his country and deserved to be listened to and his views
respected
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@Magizmo2007
5 days ago
He does and what of those who are ethnic and have served in the Parachute regiment and SAS
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@adods9824
5 days ago
@Magizmo2007 Well they’re not British, so too bad !
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@thebodykeepsthescore2828
3 days ago
He was all bluff. He was ass not sas
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@Bellissimovolere
3 days ago
He probably did do a stint in the regiment as back then they were unheard of amongst the masses and didn’t really have the kudos that they display today
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@mark8544
2 days ago
@Bellissimovolere ….yes I was about to say, pre “balcony” the average civviy didn’t know they existed.
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@jamiebell2727
18 hours ago
@Magizmo2007 I served in the paras, in recent years also and very few were from minority backgrounds
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@gedprobert9814
5 days ago
no change there then Enoch was spot on
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@lakeembryant4290
5 days ago
and why are you still pacifist Ghandi types ??
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@alimuzhussain8394
2 days ago
Enoch was racist I think
And now an Indian prime minister in the UK
Oh dear lord!

@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
Na! We haven’t taken over YET!!
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@pastorbri
2 days ago
no he wasn’t

@KOKINGWAYNE
1 day ago
@pastorbri So what was he then!? A member of the Black Power movement!?

@englishpatriot9464
1 day ago
@pastorbri he was, why do you say he wasn’t?
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@pastorbri
1 day ago
no a simpleton @KOKINGWAYNE

@lifeslessons9889
7 hours ago
YES !!!!!!! Rip Enoch..you were absolutely right

@Energyflash1979
6 hours ago
I live in Enoch’s constituency and it’s safe to say he was wrong. Right off to get some samosas
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@chadtheimpaler_
3 days ago
Our government sold our soul
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@Elvisism
14 hours ago
to who/what, and for what?
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@user-sb7cn4kg9g
10 hours ago
Your government violated you for 50 years lol. They know you just moan and ain’t about no action. long live pakistani British people

@xp8952
5 days ago
Just shows we never had democracy, the voices of the public have fell on deaf ears!
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@markmorrid8144
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 pizz of to gaza then .
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 Israel will dominate the Middle East.
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@xp8952
4 days ago (edited)
@markmorrid8144 The above statement by the Muslim is a declaration of war against us.
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@jessieb7290
4 days ago
Very true.
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@89leemills
3 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 how will you do this? forever
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@kiriladamski7428
2 days ago
Sorry @xp8952 this is another side of democracy.For you afcors is better to resive everything free or cheaper from colonies last 400 years but now is time for paying the part of the bill.History lesson.
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@trixiek942
2 days ago
@xp8952 That’s why he always deletes his comments afterwards.
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@nigelknight6688
2 days ago (edited)
Spot on l always thought of Britain being a democracy but in reality the politicians do what they want & ignore what the public want & this was again shown when the politicians did everything in their power to overturn Brexit
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@basicinfo8786
2 days ago
Democracy is direct without elections and political parties! UK have Roman republic not democracy you vote for oligarchs and you get ruled by them for 4 years.
Greek democracy is different people vote in assemblies what ever they want
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@ulfibonkers3205
1 day ago
Have fallen, not fell

@andreasstavrinides6980
15 hours ago
“Have fell?” You don’t even speak the language properly. Oh, and it should be a full stop after the word “democracy”. Did you go to school?

@hughjohns9110
3 days ago
These people have been proven 100% right.
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@pastorbri
2 days ago
not really
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@slacey1070
18 hours ago
No they weren’t. Just played by politicians, whilst they blamed foreigners, the 1% trousered the cash.
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@hughjohns9110
18 hours ago
@slacey1070 clearly you don’t get around much.
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@bigbillcarson
11 hours ago
We need to go on a march

@moriwaki1105
5 days ago
Anyone speaking like this now would be classed as a Far Right Extremist and immediately cancelled and deplatformed.
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@markmorrid8144
5 days ago
Just right so far.
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@kopynd1
3 days ago
anyone speaking like this today would be telling the truth, they came they saw they got
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@tonyhill1916
3 days ago
I speak like this now, and if I offend anyone I don’t care. It’s the truth.
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@Cofo97
3 days ago
Should of spoke up louder 50 yrs ago and the country wouldn’t be in the state its in … fact
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@trixiek942
3 days ago
@Cofo97 Successive Labour and Tory governments contributed to the mess we’re in today.
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@karlhrdylicka
3 days ago
@trixiek942 .Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows the ones not to elect back into the house of commons.but many have very short memory failures at the ballot box .Lib/Lab/Con. same $h1t in a different coloured bucket .
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@andrewk1965
3 days ago
Far Right and proud. Never ever thought I’d be saying that.
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@Cloughjordan23
3 days ago
And they were then since this was taken from a national front rights for whites March.
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@GryphLane
2 days ago
Good

@GryphLane
2 days ago
@tonyhill1916 But it’s just not though, is it?

@GryphLane
2 days ago
@andrewk1965 You’ve got fuck all to be proud of

@GryphLane
2 days ago
@Cofo97 No, it’d be worse… fact

@jackchrisostomou8073
2 days ago
@kopynd1 this was the message that the great well spoken man himself was trying to put across—-THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PROPHET AND GREATEST PARLIAMENTARIAN JOHN ENOCH POWELL. Like many others who shared his views
, WE THE BRITISH PEOPLE SALUTE HIM.
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@cheese2742
2 days ago
Cos it is

@Siwashable
2 days ago
But Many people would agree with them quietly..
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@Peterthepainter66
2 days ago
It doesn’t make it any less true though! It’s a hundred times worse now.
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@longiusaescius2537
2 days ago
*Arrested

@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago

@rickogden204
2 days ago
But he knew….he knew even then.
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@comealongcomealong4480
2 days ago
@andrewk1965 Exact same for many of us. The more I say it the easier it rolls off the tongue.

@jarvotunes7540
2 days ago
@GryphLane Did your lefty professors tell you that…..?

@ashleysutcliffe2157
1 day ago
You won’t find this many white British people in Bradford today that town is occupied completely

@maxwellboyne2770
1 day ago
@Cloughjordan23 National Front or not, we have the benefit of hindsight since the 70’s, and the fact remains that there isn’t a lot being said in this video that hasn’t been proved right.
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@terridempsey2493
1 day ago
In the 2011 census, Southall was recorded as having a resident population of 28,018 across the Southall Broadway and Southall Green wards.
Of these 76.1% are Asian or Asian British, 9.6% are Black or Black British and 7.5% are White or White British, with the remaining 6.8% of the population divided between Arabs, Mixed/multiple ethnic groups, and other ethnic groups. 60.1% of the population were born outside of the UK and the EU. At the 2011 Census, Southall Broadway ward had the lowest proportion of indigenous White British residents of anywhere in the UK – at 472 out of 13,439 or 3.5%. 93.7% of Southall Broadway’s population was BAME (Black, Asian and minority Ethnic) and it was 91.4% in Southall Green.
——–
Theres a word for this – it begins with “G” and ends in “enocide”
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@elvenkind6072
1 day ago
I gave you like nr. 666 and I’m a honest Christian.

@emanoilstratulat1076
1 day ago
So it was nice and fun when British Empire was taking apart country by country in the world , taking all their treasures , their dignity?
Maybe in a way it’s good that this is happening , at least you feel 0.001% of the pain that the occupied countries felt back then .
Stop complaining and move on.
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@gama69ful
13 hours ago
Hmm. that’s because these are examples of Far Right Ideology weather you like it or not.

@seansmith445
5 days ago
The great replacement is no mere conspiracy theory.
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@markmorrid8144
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 so your proud to follow a p do file then .
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@Yorkyscott
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780
No it won’t
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@matthewbaker2573
3 days ago
be sure to wear your tin foil hat when you go outside
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@AI-Records24
3 days ago
@matthewbaker2573 good one, how did you ever think of a comment so original?
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@themorgan9805
3 days ago
@matthewbaker2573 we got a dribbler here guys go sleep in a pak neighbourhood
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@alastairlaw6600
2 days ago
@markmorrid8144 what’s the RC church got to do with it lol
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@markmorrid8144
2 days ago
@alastairlaw6600 fair point them as well .

@idlewild073
2 days ago
Kalergi plan
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@MbisonBalrog
2 days ago
Jews!!!!!
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@missingno88
1 day ago
@matthewbaker2573 you’ll be leaving on the boats with them as well

@BeyondtheIights
1 day ago
@missingno88 That’s if his booster shot let’s him make it that far
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@pommiebears
5 days ago
I don’t disagree with anything said. ANYTHING said. These people are our people, and they weren’t listened to either.
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@hayleys1260
5 days ago
Because they didn’t take the sadly extreme action that is needed to stop it.
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@2020Wanderlust
5 days ago
@hayleys1260 What could have been done to stop it ?

@brianandrewstuart
4 days ago
No One listened to the views
of the aboriginals either- you can’t have one rule for Europeans and another set of rules for others. If you invade others then expect the same
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@donttouchyerbumnsniffit
1 day ago
@brianandrewstuart The HUGE difference in being that the indigenous people of countries and lands such as the ones colonised by Europeans had no real means to defend their lands. The European powers had far more advanced technologies, military capabilities and civilizations compared to the “Aborigines” that they were almost powerless.
Countries like Britain have the ability to stop foreign people flooding into their country NOW but they choose not to but instead they are playing a part in their own downfall. So instead of the cultural murder that was bestowed upon the “aborigines” by Europeans it’s more like a cultural suicide by allowing droves upon droves of people into the country who don’t wish to integrate and actually hate the British values and openly attack those values.

@TopCatsBack
3 days ago
Imagine if they knew of the grooming gangs ….silence from the liberals
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@Energyflash1979
6 hours ago
Like savile and co? I think you’ll find they’re British
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@pizzamad3334
5 days ago
They have all ignored the British public. I’m 30 and I’m sick of it, have been for years. Our councils need to be held accountable.
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@markbeale7390
3 days ago
Politicians to blame mate
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@BarnabyRudge
3 days ago
… don’t hold your breath for accountability, a thing of the past (for now, till the tide turns)
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@trixiek942
3 days ago
@BarnabyRudge Tony Blair got rid of all that when he was in power.
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@echelon2k8
2 days ago
Time for less talk and more action for a change.
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@trixiek942
2 days ago
@echelon2k8 You can’t change things through voting as your only choice is either Labour or Conservative, none of the others will get in..

@echelon2k8
2 days ago (edited)
@trixiek942 Then don’t even consider trying to change things through voting if that will never work. Come up with a new strategy that will actually deliver the results that the English people actually want, not those traitors who use things like mass immigration and multiculturalism as a weapon for the purpose of divide and rule.
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@trixiek942
2 days ago
@echelon2k8 I’d like to say what your only other realistic choice is in order to change things but I know saying that will only get my comment deleted..you know what I mean?
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@nigelknight6688
2 days ago
The problem we have now is many muslims are on the councils
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@cortexradio
2 days ago
“We are here because you were there.”
– A wise man
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@damehyndman5526
2 days ago
Councils are not responsible for immigration policy, that’s the central government.
Councils are obliged by law to house those sent their way.
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@BeyondtheIights
1 day ago
My comments always get removed, does my head in that I can’t even speak up for my own people/culture. Everything is anti-white(european) now.
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@user-qp6vg9ho8u
5 days ago
I’m glad these people can’t see the state of the country now. What an embarrassment this country has become
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@garyrobertshaw2202
5 days ago
Look at the state of it now. Absolutely disgusting it’s like a 3rd world in many parts of the country. Shame on all the polittions
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@lefuedebout
5 days ago
” Shame on all the politicians?” That’s the problem, they have no shame!
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@foylad4862
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 cult member
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@TC8787-yq7og
5 days ago
Ah yes, the 1970s, a time of great prosperity.
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@derekkane9783
4 days ago
They have no shame.
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@englishpatriot9464
3 days ago
The woman when she said we are getting invaded
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@liquidsnakex
3 days ago
Shame is not the penalty for tree-son
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@GryphLane
2 days ago
@englishpatriot9464 Disgraceful

@dayaumli
2 days ago
Can nobody spell in this neck of the woods polititions and tree-son
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@arthuragata6584
2 days ago
@dayaumli

@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
@GryphLane explain how?
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@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
OMG !! SHAME ON YOU!!

@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
I am Black BRITISH and Proud!

@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
@KOKINGWAYNE there’s no such thing. You’re a British citizen
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@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
@foylad4862 Tell that to the prim minister!

@56cpfan
2 days ago
@englishpatriot9464 yes there is that’s how nationality works British is not an ethnicity looooool

@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
@56cpfan you can be a British citizen but not British
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@soniahesketh3565
2 days ago
I kee saying that it’s become a third world east somers you go to different cities and each One is No different here from parts of Middle east
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@soniahesketh3565
2 days ago
Loved the 70s and 80s what a different time that was, shame we made a mistake voting Blair in the 90s looks, like we’ll get The starmer if we’re Not careful!!!??
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@boucher30
1 day ago
Looks like we gave up fighting.. so sad
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@angelamary9493
19 hours ago
@KOKINGWAYNE I’m White English ..Proud ..going back generations .. It’s Hereditary ..anyone can get a British Passport ..or born from immigrants ..

@angelamary9493
19 hours ago
@englishpatriot9464 it’s hereditary ..
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@bally1213
5 days ago
This should go on every tv station, every newspaper, EVERYWHERE . We have been sold down the river, lied to, made to pay all our hard earned money, and still today it continues, even worse. Pass this on to all you know. Thank you Joe Marsh.
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@guyfawkesuThe1
4 days ago
How would you like 20 million people invading? That is what we have in America. One illegal immigrant couple waited for the wife to be 8 months pregnant to jump the border and her husband is disabled, and they will require government support for years in America!
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@margaretreid8692
4 days ago
@guyfawkesuThe1 Just one question, considering their condition how did they ever reach America??? Answer, they were brought in, they never got there under their own steam! They are being flown, bused and trained in. All deliberate and by design.
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@StevieZero
4 days ago (edited)
@guyfawkesuThe1 uk population has risen by 20+million since the 90s
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@jaymanilla289
4 days ago
I think you have a great idea to broadcast this. where can I contribute money for that?
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@freddysquirenaranjo4859
2 days ago
Enoch was bang on fella!
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@leeevans2929
2 days ago
It was a breath of fresh air to hear those people speak so freely. This needs to be shared far and wide.
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@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
So we’re do you want me to go!? I Ain’t Going Anywhere! KMT
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@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
@KOKINGWAYNE back to.your roots, where you’re originally from
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@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago (edited)
@englishpatriot9464 That’s Africa, and ive never been there in my life, they would probably call me a ‘foreigner’! Lol Didn’t the Europeans invade ALl of the Commenwealth countries, and then call the British Commenwealth!?
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@56cpfan
2 days ago
@englishpatriot9464 but nobody is moving.
What are you gonna do about it?
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@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago (edited)
@KOKINGWAYNE no they wouldn’t call you a foreigner, blatant lie. Also that strawman argument because of what happened centuries ago doesn’t work with me. We are living in the present not the past. What gives you a right to be here? Because you were born here

@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
@56cpfan they will be once the UK exits the ECHR for once and more people are growing in support of controls and deportations. Why are you even here in this country?

@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
@englishpatriot9464 Put it this way, when i go to my parents country in Jamaica a lot of times im called English Bwoy lol they dont see me as a Jamaican. The past has resulted to what is happening in the present right now, Like i keep on saying the fact that I was born raised and bred and went to school in England makes me English, Simple as!
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@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
@KOKINGWAYNE they see you as a English boy because of your accent, the fact you were born here. Also English is an ethnicity and you’re not English. Ethnic English are white end of! Just laying out the facts here, no hate or anything

@KOKINGWAYNE
1 day ago
@englishpatriot9464 DISAGREE! if you look DEEP into history, they say that 100,00’s of years ago, people from the African continent arrived in England first!
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@KOKINGWAYNE
1 day ago
@englishpatriot9464

@welshdragon2672
5 days ago
Oh my ……… speechless at how accurate these people are.
Thanks for sharing this.
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@midnightteapot5633
2 days ago
Every one of these “ordinary” people were right on the money. Sorry ladies and gents, we were betrayed!
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@bigbillcarson
10 hours ago
That man at 2:00 is right
I hate it when the boozer is full of noisy foreigners
I don’t mind their music though

@moriwaki1105
5 days ago
British Apathy and Tolerance is our biggest failing by far.
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@Thorsted67
5 days ago
Include all western counties.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
@Thorsted67 It’s not the same. We’ve been into oblivion, we’ve been disarmed to the bone and we’re being flooded with our historical enemies.
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@Ben-yj3hk
5 days ago
It’s disgraceful how this was forced on people…… Disgusting.
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@icelara5972
3 days ago
It’s all deliberate, wake up now!
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@user-ju4wr6cg7i
5 days ago (edited)
Sickening. Makes me cry. Really does. Where is the justice. Britain for the British
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@seansmith445
5 days ago
Now we know how the native Americans must have felt
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@allyup3404
5 days ago
@seansmith445 the Native Americans as you say were never united into one group. The different tribes waged a constant war against one another.
People like yourself tend to think I was like the film Avatar, all sat round a big tree humming together
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@pommiebears
5 days ago
@seansmith445 No…we don’t. It’s completely different. Like comparing apples to oranges.
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@seansmith445
5 days ago
@pommiebears How is it? Genocide is genocide in my book.
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@crispyduck1706
5 days ago
Do you think all these English people living in Southern Spain should be made to come home ?
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@joeythelipz
5 days ago
Now you know how the Irish felt when the British sailed over with swords and colonialism
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@tjbooker8585
5 days ago (edited)
@crispyduck1706 the British people in Spain who have brought property, pay their way and contribute to the Spanish economy! Would you like to compare crime rates by Ex pats in Spain to immigrants who settle here also?
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@user-ju4wr6cg7i
5 days ago (edited)
@joeythelipz yes, considering my heritage is distant Irish. I know FKN more than you, back n front.
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@dragonofhatefulretribution9041
5 days ago
@seansmith445 The Native Americans actively tried to wipe opposing tribes out. Also, the Native Americans have folklore about “The Great White Brother” who they inherited their shamanism and knowledge of hunting from—and then wiped-out using overwhelming numbers. The Aztecs told Cortez that they inherited their civilisation from pale blonde haired Gods. He didn’t believe them until they allowed him to excavate their pyramid tombs and discover the long fair blonde-haired mummies that lay inside. So who’s continent was it in the first place? And who genocided who? The Native Americans are still alive today. Their predecessors aren’t..
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@dragonofhatefulretribution9041
5 days ago
@joeythelipz Make the sincere distinction that the Brits were carrying out the dictates of the Christian imperial empire. Bishops are just Rabbi with a different name.
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@fyrdman2185
5 days ago (edited)
@crispyduck1706 That’s up to the Spanish people to decide, I’m fine with any decision they make, it’s their country.
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@jumblestiltskin1365
5 days ago
@crispyduck1706 the very great difference of course is that NONE of the British living in Spain are sponging off Spanish welfare system or in any meaningful way competing for jobs or healthcare. They are largely retirees spending their money within the Spanish economy and paying for their healthcare. Th is very unlike our situation.
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@scotthendry6298
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 yeah you are doing well in Gazza
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@scotthendry6298
5 days ago
@joeythelipz yeah how many are them are still around dopey
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@gunsharck
5 days ago
@seansmith445 Genocide PMSL cause they’re gone eh???
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@gunsharck
5 days ago
@joeythelipz Do you ever read the absolute guff you write pal?
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@seansmith445
5 days ago
@gunsharck Say that again in English.
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@lakeembryant4290
5 days ago
YOU must make justice , it just does not come because you want it

@dvrn86
5 days ago
@joeythelipz you mean English or Normans.
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@5gpoweredrunt505
5 days ago
@seansmith445 How many times are you going to post the same thing Sean?

@emmajanewatts4388
5 days ago
@joeythelipz I hate to tell you this buts it’s happening in Ireland too incase you weren’t aware
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@westy6214
5 days ago
@seansmith445 During Elizabethan voyages to new world the natives were very welcoming to the British, including on Walter Raleigh’s and Francis Drake’s voyages at first… due to the good demeanour of the Brits and they gave them at the time revolutionary goods. Brits respected them in return. If anything brits aren’t the problem there, and it was the native American chief who waged war against the British first on their expedition for no reason . Some even integrated (Intermixed) into the tribes – see natives with grey eyes – with some technological advantage.
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@politics392
5 days ago
Even police turned their back on us our own
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@indrajeet
4 days ago
Should have thought about that before going round the world looting it!
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@rjflores438
4 days ago
Britain for those that assimilate, and the Hindus and Sikh’s do assimilate. I love visiting Southall. My son is half Indian and he is as British as anyone. I am white and grew uo in a multicultural part of Manchester and also in London and Sheffield in my youth, everyone from the estates I lived on didnt discriminate based on race, we were all in the same boat.
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@rjflores438
4 days ago
Britain colonised India, but for some reason people have issues with people from the commonwealth living here.
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@rt-uh6mt
4 days ago
@indrajeet such a stupid post.

@rt-uh6mt
4 days ago
@joeythelipz I guess the British weren’t very smart, instead of swords they should have sailed over by the thousands with their hands out and begged for food and housing. Apparently that’s all you have to do to get what you want.
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@user-ju4wr6cg7i
4 days ago (edited)
@rjflores438 in the early late 1800 early 1900s India repatriated up to 5 generations of English living in India, India for the Indians the words echoed. But, you completed the manifesto if the English even mention deportation,, well you know how it pans out

@uzuwuejo
3 days ago
@seansmith445 Shut up about that already.

@89leemills
3 days ago
@rjflores438 then to learn more read history – then read up ‘democracy’ thank the English

@89leemills
3 days ago
@rt-uh6mt they were very smart and still are – so are other races and ethnicities

@joskevermeulen3271
3 days ago
⁠ @crispyduck1706 Comparing Bradley from Westchester moving to Alicante to live with Joaquin and Rodrigo is completely different from Hassani from Karachi moving to Bristol with his family. Spain and Britain have been connected to eachother for millennia by now. Our origins are Indo European, we all originated from the same people from the same place. There couldn’t be more difference between us and and brown Pakistani people. If you don’t understand we are being encroached upon then that’s too bad, but don’t compare ethnic Europeans moving to other Euro counteies to what’s happening now.

@englishpatriot9464
3 days ago
@rjflores438 they can stay and rebuild their countries do you not get that
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@patriciarowe6685
3 days ago
@allyup3404 Well said

@uxm4life94
3 days ago
Maybe if Britain wasn’t given away other peoples countries (against the wishes of the native populations) and arming genocidal settlers- then people wouldn’t need to leave their own homeland? Maybe we could try that for a change?

@organismseven3700
3 days ago
@seansmith445
The native Americans at least tried fighting to keep their homeland.
The British people just moan and complain on social media platforms.

@GryphLane
2 days ago
You’ve got justice. Like it or lump it

@GryphLane
2 days ago
@tjbooker8585 No they don’t

@pikey4life
2 days ago
Closest the english bloodline are the celtics

@Bedmoments
1 day ago
@seansmith445 the Native American people had slaves of all colours toiling their land for them. Bit of an interesting fact that I found out recently.

@philippamcqueen5430
12 hours ago
@tjbooker8585 your wrong…I have worked with many a forieghner in nursing homes and they are kind pple and pay thier way.and taxes…and I love chinese &indian food..

@williamkennedy5492
5 days ago
I remember going to night school in Southall travelling 40 miles to get there, what an eye opener that was. I can understand how these people felt at the time, now its far too late. For some reason the political class kept kicking this can down the road and now today its ready to bite them in the bum with their large demographic vote !
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@rickremco6275
5 days ago
No, they are not kicking the can down the road – this is a deliberate strategy – a population without a national identity and culture is very easy to control.
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@johngreenhorn8853
5 days ago
FFS it is frightening how accurate these people are.
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@johngreenhorn8853
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 Why dominate why would any decent human being want to dominate another human being,it is beyond me and frankly quite sad.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 Israel will dominate the Middle East.
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@terryroberts505
3 days ago
When people could talk freely about the truth
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@cedricworthingtonbroadaxe2287
5 days ago
The real tragedy of all this is that it was all predicted from well before WWII.
Why do I say this ?
Because in 1972, aged 17yrs I joined the British Army and a year later (having completed my training) was posted to Germany; where I met a beautiful girl named Helga. Her father Konrad was a devout Christian who had served during WWII as a tank driver in the Das Reich SS Division. He was a very impressive man with whom I had many highly interesting/life changing conversations; the central themes of which were that:-
In reality rather than propaganda,
WWII was actually an European Civil War, fought between two factions; one of which sought to preserve white Christian European culture, and one of which sought to first destroy that culture; and then replace it with a multi-racial Atheistic, Materialistic ‘Globalist’ regime which would control it’s population by financial means (IE:- debt slavery).
That the faction seeking to preserve white Christian European culture had been defeated in that civil war, and the result of that defeat would be that my generation would see the destruction of European Culture, and it’s replacement by the Globalist Regime which WWII’s victors had always intended to establish.
At that time I found this difficult to believe, but as the years/decades have passed; it’s become evermore obvious to me that Konrad was right, because all across the once white Christian World the same policies have been enacted/enforced; and have all achieved the same results:-
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Both Christianity and National Identity/Cultures have been attacked, misrepresented and ridiculed; causing the masses to abandon them in favour of Materialistic Atheistic ‘Individualism’.
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A combination of abortion, contraception and mass immigration has been used to first reduce, and then demographically transform those same (once European) populations.
3.
Real wages have been consistently forced down, whilst debt has been made evermore easily available; with the result that the masses are now more deeply indebted (and thus more vulnerable) than they’ve ever been.
Result ?
I’m now approaching 70yrs of age, but firmly believe that I’ll live to see the internally engineered collapse of the Western World, and it’s replacement by a Globalist ‘New World Order’; exactly as Konrad predicted more than fifty years ago.
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@rickremco6275
5 days ago
I am 80yrs old, and everything you state fits in with my belief and experience over the years.
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@Mark-ef2ly
5 days ago
Spot on mate but people are so brainwashed they can’t see it.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
@MrMatthewhg In no circumstances if Germany won would they import a daily flow of foreigners to do the work their fallen comrades can’t do, this is just proving that all the Allied countries cared about was profits, not heritage or the consequences of importing mass amounts of different people.
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@ablpisitpoppycock
5 days ago (edited)
Prescient Konrad.
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@chr102
2 days ago
We owe it to our future generations to FIGHT for this country. WE CAN’T AFFORD TO LET THEM DOWN
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@anna-mariedupreez542
1 day ago
Very interesting. But why did he ( H) fall in Russia, Poland, France ???

@laidsgpr63
3 days ago
What these good people have said, is
absolutely TRUE !!!
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@reallycrafty5276
5 days ago
If you cant see that the British are being exterminated your either blind or to blame.
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@gunsharck
5 days ago
@Julie-wx2gf It’s funny you say we was and dumb in the same sentence. WE WERE not was
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@rt-uh6mt
5 days ago
I’m sure if all the WWII veterans could come back today and see what has become of London. I’m sure they would switch sides. They fight for freedom just so that their grandchildren could throw it away. What a waste
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@ted5669
5 days ago
Our men died in two world wars for nothing
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@mjh5437
4 days ago
@ted5669 I wish we`d lost the war now,this wouldn`t be happening.
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@ted5669
4 days ago
@mjh5437 at least the enemy then were similar people to us. We’ve been invaded anyway
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@mattsmith87
3 days ago
@Julie-wx2gf The guy you mention even had an entirely muslim ss regiment. You know nothing.
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@madmuffinz
3 days ago
you live in a bubble

@TheOneAndOnlycE
3 days ago (edited)
The Austrian painter predicted all of this. He loved Europe and tried to save it. Unfortunately in the end evil won and now we live in a completely dystopian hell and are being genocided.

@randomhuman2595
3 days ago
@TheOneAndOnlycE Why did he invade Russia?

@FHi349
32 minutes ago
@randomhuman2595 to complete Napoleon’s unfinished business

@georgemather9082
5 days ago
Just letting you know, history debunked recently posted a petition to stop immigration for 5 years.
I know they don’t mean much but just join and share it as a sign of activism.
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@bullmastiffx
5 days ago
Simon…What an amazing chap
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@sandwichbar8226
5 days ago (edited)
Zio Simon
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@bucko321
5 days ago
done
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@nicholasmorrill4711
5 days ago
@sandwichbar8226 Still ten times the patriot you are.
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@jeffholt9437
5 days ago
@sandwichbar8226 is that ham in your sandwich?
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@sandwichbar8226
5 days ago
@nicholasmorrill4711

@nicholasmorrill4711
5 days ago
@sandwichbar8226 You mate hav’nt even got the guts to use your own real name let alone put yourself out there like Simon does. Go on have a good laugh at that!
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@j.p77
5 days ago
Signed the petition.
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@5gpoweredrunt505
5 days ago
@nicholasmorrill4711 Simon works for the establishment as a gatekeeper. He’s an enemy.
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@5gpoweredrunt505
5 days ago
@nicholasmorrill4711 Simon came out recently and supported a group who killed British troops. The same group who committed the king-David hotel bombing. You say he is a patriot? Lol
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@nicholasmorrill4711
4 days ago
@5gpoweredrunt505 Really,I thought he was a Martian beamed down to earth to try & take control of us all?

@nicholasmorrill4711
4 days ago
@5gpoweredrunt505 Actually that’s about the only subject that I don’t agree with him on.That does not make him the enemy though.
We all have our different opinions based on different experience.Have you got any real experience at all though to make the accusations that you have made though? That is the real question here.

@comealongcomealong4480
17 hours ago
@nicholasmorrill4711 I think he actually has a Sandwich Bar business. Easy way to remember his account name

@gonecamping4585
5 days ago
Hopefully, people will start to wake up and make this country great again
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@sandwichbar8226
5 days ago
The longer we leave it the harder it’ll be
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@JohnSmithGlobeLie
5 days ago
I very much doubt it.
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@eddieGGG
5 days ago
Too late
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@CJ2727
5 days ago
Too late. And the establishment will never allow a nationalist movement
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@thebear3178
5 days ago
Yes all too late I’m afraid. Ireland now facing the same unless the people on the ground say no.
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@ds9268
5 days ago
This once beautiful country is ruined!!!!!! BEYOND RECOGNITION!!!!
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@S-North
5 days ago
Everyone is now fully aware of the predicament.
Everyone sees it now, with their own two eyes.
The truth can no longer be covered up, hushed up, denied, suppressed or obvuscated.
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@S-North
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 Proud of what?
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@jamesleonard7439
5 days ago
Its just a mentally I’ll keyboard troll, take no notice. @S-North
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@bar10ml44
5 days ago
It’s ok bloody late
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@markdaniels2200
5 days ago
That’s what the lady & bloke said, I think we need to do more, much more….
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@Sython6
5 days ago
Its been 50 years, whats 50 more? lol
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@lukasstanulevicius8599
4 days ago
I’m afraid it’s too late way too late. It’s like a river always goes forward not backwards. Welcome to the jungle!
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@mus139
4 days ago
They said the same with America years ago, Now look at it?
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@christopherlawler7992
4 days ago
Who asked for your two dollars worth, Trump?

@upthereds7908
3 days ago
Its far gonee to far

@ubolsueathet1201
3 days ago
How, they all have british passports
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@zpaztrik1418
3 days ago
Lol I read these types of comments every year, nothing has been done… Maybe the fluoride is getting to everyone’s head

@robinbanks183
2 days ago
It’s far too late for that the damage is irreversible

@suajulislam2678
4 hours ago
@gonecamping it was never “Great”!

@sgtg4600
5 days ago (edited)
R.I.P. Great Britain. Would I fight for my country? No, it doesn’t exist anymore.
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@TheBlueOwl21
5 days ago
Our once proud country is being dragged down to the acceptable standards of many uncivilised countries.
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@Lovemy911
5 days ago
And that seems to be the long term plan unfortunately..
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@jackchrisostomou8073
2 days ago
In my opinion and I’m there are other out there who agree, —Any country that is not part of Europe, (and I don’t mean, not in the EU), I feel has the most uncivilised laws and political values.
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@michaelmassart2349
5 days ago
Over here in Belgium it is just the same. We have become strangers and outcasts in our own country. Only when it comes to paying for it all, then were the first ones to be plucked like chickens. Disgusted of what Europe has become, our values and culture are going down the tubes.
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@keith2073
5 days ago
People seemed more patriotic then .
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@rt-uh6mt
5 days ago
Our children have been taught to be ashamed of themselves.
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@ContentGramophone-tp9gw
4 days ago
@rt-uh6mt yes an encouraged by there folks an peers…..sad….
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@donaldmckinney1333
4 days ago
Its against the law now
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@sebastianvagabond4692
3 days ago
Because it was legal
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@mogznwaz
2 days ago
@rt-uh6mt and to fetishise anything non British as ‘better’
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@DS-od1kb
1 day ago
@donaldmckinney1333 Really? When did this come in?

@donaldmckinney1333
1 day ago
@DS-od1kb when the woke society decided that being patriotic was being racist I last time I looked being a racist was a criminal offence
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@DS-od1kb
1 day ago
@donaldmckinney1333 Define ‘Being patriotic’.

@E_Rex_Sean
5 days ago
If the British soldiers of WWII could foresee what their country would become, they wouldn’t have put a single foot on that beach.
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@DrVKParmar
5 days ago
Especially the 2 million Indian soldiers who fought for the ‘white-mans’ war!
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@ted5669
5 days ago
@DrVKParmar yep! Fought for the British and I’ll always be appreciative of that.
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@E_Rex_Sean
5 days ago
@DrVKParmar India wasn’t a country before the white man made it one, lol.
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@donaldmckinney1333
4 days ago
2 million Indian soldiers well all of their descendants are getting the benefit of that now all entitled to live here and don’t get me wrong they are far from the worst but we have so many to choose from
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@rt-uh6mt
4 days ago
@DrVKParmar I haven’t met a single one that is angry and bitter about what happened a hundred years ago. But I know a lot of white leftists that are.
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@ChrispyDubstep
3 days ago
@rt-uh6mt Have you been to India? People have made remarks about me because I’m British
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@subculture2006
3 days ago
@DrVKParmar You do realise that Japan was trying to invade India? If the British Army wasn’t there and if the Indian Army wasn’t trained and equipped and led by British officers then what do you think would’ve happened?
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@leehyett
2 days ago
If all of the people in this comments thread were around in WWII, they’d have fought for the other side.
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@commando4481
2 days ago
@DrVKParmar 2 million indians didnt fight though. That was just the size of their army by the end of the war. Most of them didnt fight let alone fight in the bloodiest battles.
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@avonmaster6628
1 day ago
@DrVKParmar yeah, they were pretty dumb throwing their lives away like that lol. doesn’t change anything though, does it?

@scoutfinch47
5 days ago
My mother was born in 1938, lives in Sunderland. In the 1980’s she was stating that we were having an influx that would continue on until the white British were the minority. Seems she wasn’t too far off, was she.
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@KH-rc7tl
3 days ago
My mum born 1936. She used to say way back in the 1970’s that us white people will one day need permission to live in our own country…..
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@WarmasAsunnedcat
5 days ago
I remember my parents telling me “they won’t be happy till they’ve taken over” long Dead now and they wouldn’t want too come back to this shit hole!
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@bartonseagrave9605
5 days ago
This should be played every night before the News.
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@bottlecap57
5 days ago
Would love it to be shown as often as those annoying bloody ads.
That would wake the sleepers!
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@sebastianvagabond4692
3 days ago
Al Jazeera?

@jimwest8268
3 days ago
No need – it’s in the Mail every day
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@brianorakpohit
1 day ago
@jimwest8268 Oi you can’t be objective here mate. You’re on the wrong clip

@andrewcoward2416
4 days ago
This was said 50 years ago….. when people could ACTUALLY have an opinion! Still relevant now…..
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@lilnoir4213
2 days ago
Its a propaganda movie that was made to only show this one opinion on the matter.
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@CD-pm9kc
5 days ago
Well look at Bradford now, these people protesting got completely replaced and pushed out. They lost.
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@sarahroberts7374
1 day ago
And Southall
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@sheerluckholmes7720
11 hours ago
@sarahroberts7374 ….and Londonistan…

@Berlitz81
5 days ago
Proof positive that ‘the people’s opinion’ counts for zilth.
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@nicholasmorrill4711
5 days ago
& neither does democracy.
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@paulmetcalfe4054
5 days ago
@nicholasmorrill4711 yes and they talk about putin. At least he was elected to some degree Sunak wasn’t, May wasn’t, Truss wasn’t and those that were lied.
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@leonskum.5682
4 days ago
And yet we still vote them in.
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@neoakram6354
3 days ago
What about Ukrainians who can came to UK and receiving housing and benefits.. while no accommodation for the homeless and assistance!

@nicholasmorrill4711
2 days ago
@paulmetcalfe4054 I made a detailed reply parralelling censorship & needless to say youtube deleted it.

@cyndy2484
5 days ago
My god nothing has chànged!
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@misdangered4326
5 days ago
It has changed a lot. None of those white faces in Bradford anymore.
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@keithy507
19 hours ago
Oh it has…..it’s got a lot worse!
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@sixtyshippee
2 days ago
We have just had a bye election in Wellingborough where the Britain FIRST party were standing extolling all these sentiments and they barely got 500 votes where is the backbone now of people in this country who continually vote for failure .
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@rickremco6275
5 days ago
My father sold our house in Southall in the 1950s. The agent told him that he would only be sending Indian potential buyers to view the house as it would be unfair to English buyers who did not know what was happening to the town.
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@rossmorebaz
10 hours ago
little did they know that it would be a thousand times worse in 2024 !!!
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@incurableromantic4006
5 days ago (edited)
We never wanted any of this – we’ve been saying “no” for 50 years, and the politicians just say “more”.
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@rt-uh6mt
5 days ago
All I can think of is Manchurian Candidate
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@GryphLane
2 days ago
And you’re just as wrong now, too

@Elijah.Ben.BENJAMIN54
2 days ago
@GryphLane Britain needs diversity because it is the reason for its strength

@philipthomas3629
1 day ago
@GryphLane I have to disagree. Every foreigner coming here now wants our country to become their country

@das5813
1 day ago
It was all about the governments addiction to taxation.
The more people the more taxation.
It’s that simple.

@suajulislam2678
4 hours ago
Stop with the moaning and just accept it! We are here to stay.

@mehallmcdonagh9908
5 days ago
As an Irishman, i approve this message.
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@Happybugs
5 days ago
Not if you were an Irish child going to the schools here at this time bullied to high heaven
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@mccarey5932
5 days ago
@Happybugs nonsense my family grew up in Birmingham in the 60s and 70s and despite the troubles there was no prejudice
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@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 nothing to be proud of
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@alanbrady7116
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780
Interesting. This is sometimes the case/result. Where else do you plan to dominate, mainland Europe perhaps?
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@missingno88
1 day ago
im also irish and approve this message.
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@jackchrisostomou8073
2 days ago
These seniors are the descendants of the victorian era, so they should be respected, remembered and listened to. Whatever happened to free speech and care of our own people. The past should have remained our FUTURE.
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@alexanderc6396
16 hours ago
There’s no way that’s your actual name with that comment about immigration

@mrmeldrew693
3 days ago
Remember Gordon Brown’s ‘bigot gate’ when he insulted an elderly lady who was making a point to him about the rapid changes to her hometown?
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@jtaylor9562
3 days ago
When Britain was British. Truly sad to see our country dying….
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@jerryricci43
2 days ago
Our country isn’t dying sadly it’s dead.
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@quatz1981
1 day ago
It died years ago.
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@DMC888
1 day ago
The same thing happened to the people that were here before us, the Anglo Saxons. They weren’t best pleased with that either.
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@CD-pm9kc
15 hours ago
@DMC888 What? If you’re not Irish, Scottish or Welsh (Cornish), you are the Anglo Saxons lol.

@DMC888
11 hours ago
@CD-pm9kc exactly, the Welsh & Cornish, the OG Britons. Even the bloody Romans were here before the Anglo Saxons.
My lot were invaded by Vikings mostly, but at least the Romans couldn’t get a foothold that far north.

@benhinchliffe7696
6 hours ago
You mean white right…clearly what you’re saying. If not then explain what British is…

@stevestone4346
5 days ago
Different breed back then Joe. All forms of patriotism, self preservation, and the most natural of instincts has been bred out of our people. Breaks my heart.
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@hudson7354
22 hours ago
They didn’t actually do anything about it though

@stevestone4346
18 hours ago
@hudson7354 are you talking about yourself? Because many thousands of us have spent our lives fighting this tyranny only to be crushed by those in power.

@nba2kaii12
13 hours ago
@stevestone4346 you have done no fighting dont talk rubbish

@stevestone4346
12 hours ago
@nba2kaii12 so you know me personally do you ? Troll
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@nba2kaii12
10 hours ago
@stevestone4346 not a troll you have done nothing there is only one solution

@bullmastiffx
5 days ago
Save our poor lands
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@RyanG0899
5 days ago
Who are you asking? Nobody is gonna help us, but ourselves
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@dustyautumn8780
5 days ago
Islam will dominate Inshallah.
Proud to be Muslim
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@RHR-221b
4 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 CODY?

@brianjackson7499
4 days ago
@dustyautumn8780
Proud to be Jewish. Israel will end the cult of Hamas and Islam
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@89leemills
3 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 why and how?

@alunevans380
5 days ago (edited)
By far the vast majority of British people, probably 99% never asked for mass immigration, but yet it has still continued on an ever increasing level, and has now reached the highest levels in the history of these Islands.
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@ParksRec
1 day ago
Vote Reform

@Splodge4514
5 days ago
Wow! How times have not changed. Every word spoke from the heart and every word is the truth. Fast forward today and these people would be turning in their graves if they could see our country now! This is why they have brought in laws to stop the British people from talking about what is going on and what these politicians have done to our country! We need to form new political parties so we can remove these politicians and hold them, civil servants and lords accountable for their actions.
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@jamesmorton4443
4 days ago
Should’ve listened to our Elders.
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@ronaldwood9247
2 days ago
I love the analogy “you can’t put a quart in a pint glass”.
Enoch Powell was right, what an intelligent British revisionist.
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@shawnjacobs6797
3 days ago
“Live with our own kind”. . Damn right! Same here in the USA!
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@susangarbutt7189
5 days ago
Still not enough houses still too many gimmigrants . Nothing has changed.
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@claudiafahey1353
3 days ago (edited)
Ive never seen that…i think its very appropriate “gimmigrants” same old story different generation…my parents were not that way they loved the opportunity to come here (US) and they made their own way

@mcfc8014
2 days ago
It’s only gotten worse since then.
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@FHi349
19 minutes ago
You mean illegal immigrants not “immigrants”

@roviwoteap2375
3 days ago
No truer a word spoken. Before our woke politicians got into power with no back bone.
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@robpalwrites
5 days ago
I used to live near Southall, and absolutely felt like a minority in my own country in that area. So it’s clear that the people in this video were completely correct.
This isn’t racism or any other type of discrimination, but there’s only enough space and services for a given number of people regardless of their race or ethnicity. When there are too many people, then the quality of life for the majority gets dragged down, and we’re now getting so low that it’s blatantly obvious for all to see, no matter who you vote for.
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@danielgreen3715
1 day ago
Its a Bloody Disgrace! This is no longer our Country ..Its become a Zoo
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@Energyflash1979
6 hours ago
Like a zoo where the attractions can type “Disgrace!”

@born2win50
4 hours ago
85% white British

@BrownDaddy007
3 hours ago
Not quite a zoo, more like a tax farm, and the cattle don’t have a say in the farm’s operations.

@FHi349
53 minutes ago
90% pure White-British. No worries!

@Bizarremadworld
4 days ago
Absolutely shocked seeing this as did not realise people protested back then and still were ignored . So sad for Britain
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@Arthur_King_of_the_Britons
5 days ago
Proof there’s literally no point voting. We’d be better off under an absolute monarchy
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@jessewrites17792
5 days ago
We were never asked. Its time to march.
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@kingdaleclarke
5 days ago
You won’t though and it doesn’t do anything
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@edmundblackaddercoc8522
5 days ago
Gonna take more than marching
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@jessewrites17792
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 dominate what? Mate please walk on the streets and say this?
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@jessewrites17792
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 please hold that same energy on british streets.
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@jessewrites17792
5 days ago
@kingdaleclarke don’t speak to soon.

@kingdaleclarke
5 days ago
@jessewrites17792 you don’t do anything,that’s the reality of it
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@kingdaleclarke
5 days ago
@jessewrites17792 even if you did march, what will that accomplish?
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@grumpygramps1451
4 days ago
The vast majority of overseas territories that had the British empire forcibly impressed upon them “were never asked” either !
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@steeny9845
4 days ago
The only way the government will start to listen to the British people is if we all take our money out of the banks on the same day we do hold the power the government should be scared of us and I guarantee they would have to take action solidarity

@brandywell44
3 days ago
Police will duff you up.

@calaragazza3556
3 days ago
Native Americans were never asked either. The British killed them and stole their land. Sounds like KARMA!
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@Thorsted67
5 days ago
Enoch Powell said in an interview in 1977 that there would not come no political solution to migration. Politicians would internally agree with him but fear to address it as the means to stop it would be harsh. They would kick the can down the road and hope when it brakes they would be gone. Recent published papers from 2003 form the Blair period showed the same. They knew what needed to be done,- leave conventions,- but feared the reactions and international shaming and activist NGOs.
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@randomhuman2595
3 days ago
Is the Thames full of dead bodies?

@nwh9430
5 days ago
Well done Joe! You’re doing a cracking job of finding such fantastic old film footage. This film footage is from the time that true Britons had BALLS, even the ladies! Nowadays, most people are afraid of their own shadows!
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@realisticallyspeaking
4 days ago
Back when we could openly speak the truth
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@daleharrison1689
1 day ago
True, have to be careful what I say in front of my kids, forget about speaking in front of grand kids
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@janeburke147
5 days ago
Very upsetting the people have simply been ignored.All the victims that should still be here
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@paulgreen9618
3 days ago
It’s like they had crystal balls.
Who would have thought…
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@sheerluckholmes7720
11 hours ago
In more ways than one !

@doodles863
5 days ago
Can you imagine saying things like that in public now, you would be arrested immediately, that’s why they brought out the hate laws so you can’t be honest and truthful.
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@GudieveNing
3 days ago
Yup.

@flakboss1712
2 days ago
Look at Putin’s Russia today. Uk next year.

@markwheeler4245
5 days ago (edited)
Heartbreaking i weep bless em especially the lady that said why cant they be dispersed to the MPs areas that ‘welcome’ them. Its a wonder the ppl haven’t revolted
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@davidseals4898
5 days ago
Gave me Goosebumps
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@Sufficient4UsIsAllah
2 days ago
What was a tragedy was the colonisation of foreign lands by the British.
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@missingno88
1 day ago
so you do see immigration as a punishment for the native britons of today that had nothing to do with the empire’s past? okay, good to know.

@Kikatebn639
5 days ago
I’m sure this is why now today there is both parents out at work, we’re as I remember so well there was always one parent at home, be it male or female… now the average family can’t even put a good wholesome meal in front of their children..but the government don’t care, their pockets are lined with gold and silver where as us the mere workers have red litter final bills..
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@jackchrisostomou8073
2 days ago
GOD BLESS THESE PEOPLE.
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@simonfinch9764
5 days ago
And people still believe voting for another politician will change anything
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@action1976
5 days ago
If you don’t vote, Labour will get in power. Is that what you really want? If you vote Conservative, nothing will change. Vote Reform UK, they have pledged they will stop this invasion and start repatriation of these illegals, and that will happen after we leave the ECHR. So the choice is yours vote Labour get Hamas as a next door neighbour.
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@sroth2021
5 days ago
@action1976 I don’t think Reform really treat this situation with the gravity it deserves but worth a go at least.
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@Shdjdjxbdksk
5 days ago
@action1976 Wasting your time mate unfortunately. This country was finished a long time ago.
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@9inchsnails829
4 days ago
Easy for you to laugh. I’m former BNP member when we had a party with people that would have changed things for the better. What did you ever do besides snigger on the sidelines?
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@simonfinch9764
4 days ago
@9inchsnails829 you’re assuming a lot about me.
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@trixiek942
3 days ago
@action1976 Reform UK don’t have enough seats to form a government.

@markc1601
2 days ago (edited)
Enoch Powell was bang on the button when he voiced his constituents concerns 55 yrs ago. They sacked and silenced him way back then and his constituents along with many others have been Ignored since. The be-heading of a young British soldier on British soil and the Impoverishing of our nation confirms to me that their concerns were valid then and are even more valid today
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@cleantechnologygroup
1 day ago
where are the rivers of blood?

@azimuthclark462
5 days ago
It doesn’t matter if you’re British or French, German or Dutch, Australian or American. We are all Westernkind. We are one people.
White people have been subdivided into many different groups causing division. We may have different ways of doing things, but nevertheless, we are one.
What happens to one of us happens to all of us
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@BillyJ-vi8df
5 days ago (edited)
U are bro.
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@Jan7kowa11
5 days ago
I don’t think I could have said it any better
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@JoeCarroll-tr5hw
5 days ago
It’s just sickening to see the same country today. The corrupt politicians and government it’s just sickening. To see this country today.
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@Wrtp.
5 days ago
Life was so much better back then 100%.
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@hkmonaro8153
5 days ago
How come ordinary people could see it coming a mile away but politicians were and still are too thick to work it out? This garbage has been planned for decades and the sht has finally hit the fan..
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@AC-gu9ks
3 days ago
Immigrants will accept a lower wage than the local people. So money is the answer.
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@TEMPLAR969
5 days ago
They were 100% right
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@BlueSky-qs3wp
5 days ago
The only politician who respected their views
was Enoch Powell. In the 1970sand before that it was possible for people to express their views
but the governments didn’t listen, which brings me to the important point: We don’t have true democracy. So much damage happened under the democracy banner and we still cannot change anything through democracy, so we must force change. Britain needs its revolution, or British Spring. Its the only thing that puts the country back on track.
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@MrMatthewhg
5 days ago
You are quite correct, but I despair of ever seeing it happen.
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@duffymoony
5 days ago
How many of the indigenous British public (post 1900) are angry and feel this way? If there is a majority, why then is it never represented in the media as such, and only when accompanied by the far right slur? You never hear anybody, public or panel, on Question Time voicing these concerns.
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@David-uf8ex
5 days ago
These are the lucky people that are now at rest and don’t have to endure the likes of khan and the hell that is today
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@loadsbutty
5 days ago
So sad to see
God it’s like nothing has changed with the political class

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@tinysaxon3826
5 days ago
These people tell the truth and told the truth, i feel the same and will speak as they did, this is our country which has been invaded and we have been lied too by politicians !!
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@parvezaziz6041
5 days ago
Basic common sense.
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@TheDaflad
5 days ago
Sadly common sense isn’t very common anymore
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@sb8163
5 days ago
In the 1830s the English people signed petitions in their thousands to end the union with Ireland to stop the “influx” of poor Irish workers into their English towns (Ireland was part of the UK then so they were all British subjects)
It’s not racism, it’s a quality of life issue – the workers from impoverished countries will accept lower wages and poorer working conditions than the local people
The UK govt ignored the English people as they wanted cheap labour for the British economy, but the poor Irish peasants took action to end the union themselves. Then the UK govt brought in labour from further afield
Since Ireland became a ‘rich’ country the wheel has come full circle and the Irish govt now want to import masses of working-age single men from poor countries to Ireland for cheap labour
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@emmymouj4150
5 days ago
I’m a foreigner myself ( from Morocco) lived in London for 25 years and I agree with you, far too many people/ foreigners these days. It’s getting crazy!
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@marthasheilds2446
5 days ago
Your not wanted or accepted either in the UK go outside of London and see how racist and segregated other Uk cities and towns are .
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
@marthasheilds2446 why would you want to go to those dumps. Best to stick to the affluent parts where the underclass dont spread their germs
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@andywrollo2915
4 days ago
I was 11. Seen us sold down the river. Country unrecognisable. British culture finished.
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@pnvgordinho
2 days ago
Is it me or Brits from 50 years ago spoke better English than today’s Brits?
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@keithy507
19 hours ago
Innit
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@gordinistanopolis
5 days ago
These people could never imagine how it is today in 2024
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@frankielov
5 days ago
Excellent documentary explains more on this subject.
Europa The Last Battle.
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@Billy1690-ws8jz
5 days ago
Thats a ridiculous teenage boys school project; trying to work out how the world works and failing.
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@dustyautumn8780
5 days ago
Islam will dominate Inshallah.
Proud to be Muslim
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@Billy1690-ws8jz
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 you’re even more deluded.
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@seansmith445
5 days ago
“Europa the Last Battle” was banned on YouTube years ago but it can still be found elsewhere such as the Brighteon platform. I urge everyone to watch it.
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@markmorrid8144
5 days ago
Europa the last battle explains a lot.
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@frankielov
5 days ago
@dustyautumn8780 where Islam goes the Grim Reaper follows
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@5gpoweredrunt505
5 days ago
@Billy1690-ws8jz Yes Rabbi. Thanks for your insight. Do you want us to fight another war for you in the middle east?
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@ThePensivePeril
3 days ago
We defeated the wrong enemy, and every sane person knows it.
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@savemefrommorons
3 days ago
Back in the days when people could string a sentence together and speak eloquently and the truth..
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@davepowell7168
3 days ago
Yeah but like you know whatever innit?
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@Svvithred
3 days ago
Thank the rothschilds for this, and the people who have carried out their wishes.
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@calontour
1 day ago
Do you know the only man who imprisoned a Rothschild?
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@nba2kaii12
13 hours ago
⁠ @calontour people seem to be waking up
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@calontour
13 hours ago
@nba2kaii12 too little too late unfortunately
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@sixtyshippee
3 days ago
People spoke how they felt then not brain washed like many are today.
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@user-ej9qe4me8v
3 days ago
Its too late ! Bring these politicians to justice
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@larkop6504
5 days ago
The immigrants are welcome to the country, what is left? Government has tore the heart and soul out of it.
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@ted5669
5 days ago
They are welcome because it’s their country now
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@larkop6504
5 days ago
@ted5669 Learn how power is derived and then you will have your solution.
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@stevietrucker4631
4 days ago
Totally agree with every word they said. Probably most of those people have passed away now, it’s a good job they can’t see how BAD it is today.
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@ragnarironspear1791
5 days ago
Brilliant Joe
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@bossman1905
5 days ago
My god !!! So much sense even 50 years ago . Yet the govt today is still letting them in !
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@micknat1088
5 days ago
It’s not the boat people we should worry about,it’s the Legal ones who are already here.
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@Khan-H
4 days ago
Which ones
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@jamiebeecham7020
4 days ago
It’s all of them.
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@Khan-H
4 days ago
@jamiebeecham7020 it’s too late. There already here. There not going bk. The country is F##ked… U can’t throw them out… The country is too soft.. They lie to get here and treat the country like crap.. We the tax payers have to pay the price… No point crying about it. Just have to live with it.. Just look after and protect your family…
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@VivaDukors
3 days ago
Aren’t the legal ones pay for your benefits through taxes?
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@Zeze-dem
3 days ago (edited)
I am a vet (ex-army to be precise ) and I am legal, I work and earn an honest living. I contribute to the economy of this country and I pay my taxes. Why should someone be worried about people like me?
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@Zeze-dem
3 days ago
@VivaDukors exactly my thoughts as well, crazy how much hate people harbour in their hearts and blame someone for something they know nothing about.
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@Wolfways
3 days ago
It’s almost as if the government don’t care what the people want.
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@geoffowens9770
5 days ago
They weren’t wrong
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@yoonbum199
5 days ago (edited)
I could cry we all knew, our parents knew, and we also know now and so it will go on until the simmer becomes the boil
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@peakyblinder2847
5 days ago
We all need to stand together befor it’s to late England to be great again
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@shoaiblatif783
3 days ago
Ah yes the classic ‘carry on blaming immigrants’ rather than the politicians who’ve dragged the country to the ground.
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@craigj.davies1983
5 days ago (edited)
I remember seeing this years ago, on here, can you upload the entire video please? This documentary is called “England? Who’s England?”
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@mattn5446
5 days ago
Rivers of blood…but its looking like its our blood not theirs
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@glenn5692
5 days ago
This video should be made mandatory in all class rooms WHY to show that there future was stolen make it the LAW.
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@karentye7777
6 hours ago
I agree with every word these people have said.Democracy no longer exists & hasn’t done for a very long time.
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@maureensmith9328
4 days ago
The police looked like police. We’ve watched our towns and cities being taken over at an alarming rate, soon there will be nowhere for Indigenous Britons to go
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@Parrysweets
2 days ago
Its turned out to be a lot worse than even they can have thought.
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@spakoerz
3 days ago
Enoch Powell was right
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@RollcageHiggins
5 days ago
England for the english
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@julesleon482
5 days ago
50 years later and sweet fa has changed. So there’s a promising outlook for the UK.
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@lucylant9433
5 days ago
Yet the British people accepted all the liberalisation of everything and abandoned God. This is a great chastisement for our sinfulness.
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@paulmetcalfe4054
5 days ago
And now we have Satan (Allah) replacing him.
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@89leemills
5 days ago
We don’t all believe the same stop stereotypes of British folk
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@incrediblehulk8031
2 days ago
@paulmetcalfe4054 Allah is better because he doesn’t put his own son to death or whatever you believe in.

@commando4481
2 days ago
@incrediblehulk8031 Thats why most of allahs followers live in poverty right?

@nigelknight6688
2 days ago
Everything they said all those years ago have proved to be right.
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@andrewmayo608
5 days ago
Crikey….I wonder what these folks would say now if they were still around.
Bravo to all of them…they saw what was coming.
And now look where we are….Politicians have failed us over many years especially Tony Blair and all those politicians since he opened the flood gates.
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@iananderson1231
4 days ago (edited)
And this was 50 years ago!! I am now 60 and remember this very well this has not changed but only have gotten WORST and will continue to do so!
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@ivanhunter3907
5 days ago
This is Ireland today. Our towns are soon to be destroyed too..
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@noelcahill6707
2 days ago
There already there my friend i can say this im irish with my mothers side from greater manchester we are well on our way to having towns wiped out
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@lukemallory7832
1 day ago (edited)
Watching this from Ireland in 2024, these people are speaking for me. I now know their frustration having witnessed first-hand the fall, the utter destruction and demolition, of Ireland by the NGOs, cloaked in the form of ‘government’. I feel homeless.
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@frankbrasenell3789
5 days ago
Good job the governments took notice of these lovely people!!!
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@amilaamarasinghe4609
5 days ago
It’s a tragedy once UK government started offering UK citizenship for foreigners.
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@halloweenville1
2 days ago
Most of these people say “MY PEOPLE” and they are absolutely right. There is nothing racist about being proud of your race, culture and heritage. And it’s disgraceful that the hate brigade have caused people to see a harmonious society as something evil and racist. There is currently STILL NO LAW demanding that people see immigration as something positive, They can only silence words, NOT THOUGHTS. And the silent majority cannot be silenced that easy.
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@tyounas6832
3 days ago
I agree with that gentleman’s solid recommendation… send them where the MPs live.
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@sheerluckholmes7720
11 hours ago
…a family in each MP’s mansion…

@dannyblackwell2426
5 days ago
imagine what all these people would think of the UK now days!
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@randomhuman2595
3 days ago (edited)
Too many phones

@edwardapostolides5360
5 days ago
But the British public now as they did then continue to complain about the politicians not listening and yet conversely continue to vote in exactly the same way. You won’t get change unless you change who you vote for. Otherwise your condoning what you claim you don’t want.
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@pod1475
4 days ago
Have you been to Southall lately, you would not hear that accent. Many of the points raised are equally true today, vote Reform. At least the Archbishop is helping integration now.
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@regplasma7906
5 days ago
Enoch I still love you xx
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@dominicperez3777
2 days ago
Holy crap. These people were ahead of their time saying the same exact stuff we Westerners been saying right now!
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@leeatkins1995
2 days ago
We have been betrayed, these people weren’t listened to.
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@unclej3423
5 days ago
I used to drive a bus through Southall, it’s not England. Now it’s only spreading
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@rachaelchard7799
3 days ago
It’s like listening to Enoch Powell. Cannot believe how much truth spoken and predictions made back then. I was only 8 so oblivious at the time.
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@ManCave1972
21 hours ago
When looking at Bradford today is it a better place? Has diversity helped it thrive? No. The place is a no-go zone, a dump. Some people will watch this video and write off the interviewees as ‘prejudiced’ and yet every word they said has become truth- catastrophically so.
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@woden20
3 days ago
“We defeated the Wrong enemy” General George S. Patton.
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@user-mg5xc6bo7b
5 days ago
We cannot say its just History repeating itself because it just continues.
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@laverdajota8089
4 days ago
Why was this let happen too our country.these people were right
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@onetone4561
5 days ago
You don’t see the coppers beating the protesters
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@section5760
5 days ago
And they look like a proper British copper which I remember growing up in the 60s and 70s and even the 80s had respect for them then. But not know hate them with passion.
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@joyelmes7814
3 days ago
Nice to see real policeman, not plastic action men.
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@Curious-Minds
2 days ago (edited)
My parents were immigrants from italy in the 1960s.
I’d consider myself culturally English, more so than my English chums.
In any event, my Roman ansestors pretty much founded London, so, as far as i’m concerned, i am home, so, all you anglos, in the words of Peggy “get aht ma pab”
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@pfg5617
3 days ago
“Our poor lads are fighting in Ireland while our own country is being invaded”, the incredible irony of that statement.
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@savinggrace70
5 days ago
OMG! This video needs to go viral!!!!!!!! Please share, share, share! We need to send this to all MP’s Offices!
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@alanhillier1033
2 days ago
Glad I watched this….just shows that politicians over the years just don’t give a stuff,people today have exactly the same thought as back then but now anyone voices these thoughts your classed as “ racist”…..NO WE JUST WANT OUR COUNTRIES BACK and Northern Ireland

@JackDarcy-vl8rq
4 days ago
They were right then and still right now
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@Sabina-lo8fv
5 days ago
50 years of this and still the government doesn’t listen! There must be something we as the taxpayers can do to save our country!!!???
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@matthewbaker2573
3 days ago
stop giving free houses and money to people who’ve done fuk all with their life – they’d stop coming then
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@jerryricci43
2 days ago
Yes it’s called a revolution

@terryhorne2582
5 days ago
To be honest, I’m nearly 68 now & had my life, i remember the good years growing up, even the 70s & 80s were goid eras for us, but now, i feel sorry for the kids growing up with this invasion of immigrants, i couldn’t care if Russia kicked off & pressed the button of destruction, at least it would put a stop to this mess the UK is in nowadays.
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@AI-Records24
3 days ago
Watch his interview from the other day he has no intentions of such actions, I may go and live there instead, at least he’s voted in.

@markjames6669
13 hours ago
Why does nobody ask the question, why is it only white countries that MUST be diverse?…
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@paranormalchannelx1307
5 days ago

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@TheEdgeRunners
11 hours ago
That’s the result of British Colonialism, you reap what you sow.
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@sheerluckholmes7720
9 hours ago
and forget to sweep behind the cow?

@Jfalways
5 days ago
That Scottish man should have ran for prime minister we would be in a better place
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@grlfcgombeenhunter2897
5 days ago
Sounds like bill shankly

@cooperization
9 hours ago
Proved to be 100% correct.It’s called common-sense which we have lost due to the woke enviroment.

@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768
4 days ago
Every single word is truth.
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@ppmppm7010
3 days ago
Politicians stopped asking the people years ago. Did they ask us if we wanted cameras on every corner, cashless society, bank closures, etc. No it’s easier to just do it because western populations are so apathetic they/we just accept everything. I’m ready for things to get better
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@pincermovement72
5 days ago
I wished they had done what was needed then , it is getting very close to midnight for us now .
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@philipjones456
12 hours ago
Why are we saying the same now 50 years later. I hope the government are proud of themselves
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@sirlaughalot7350
5 days ago
young, old, normal and smart. it’s all in this video. we were never asked. it’s especially bad with those outside of europe. detention centres only, deportation is the option we want. let’s make it happen. push your mp for deportation solutions.
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@sebastianniqvist3144
1 day ago
This is the greatest betrayal in history and the UK is just one example; this has happened to the whole of Western Civilization. Look at the failed multiculturalism in continental Europe: France, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium and across Scandinavia.
By the way I am not a European but I am a westerner and it is sad to see Western Civilization disappear.
Most of the people in the video are gone by now… at least they don’t get to see how much worse the UK has become.
R. I. P.
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
1 day ago
The issue is that people don’t stick to their own continents. It’s not about buzz words like “diversity” or “multiculturalism”. That’s just marketing and political buzzwords.
There are 120 million English Irish Scots Welsh in north America and Australasia who ALL should be in Europe at least and ideally in UK and Ireland.
Africans should be in Africa and so on

@blink997
2 days ago
Absolutely right, too many people and destroys British culture and identity – very overcrowded, not extremist – a fact , the most oppressive word is ‘racist’ as it stifles debate
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@pobinr
4 hours ago
Decades of cretinous politicians refusing to listen. And now accelerating at an even higher rate. Legal net migration 745,000 last year =6230 new homes needed every week mostly squashed into England
Totally disgusting
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@felix1974
3 days ago
Spooky how these are exactly the same words we are saying today that our parents and grandparents were saying in the mid 70s. They knew the long term consequences as do we. If they could see the place now. Especially that poor bloke from Bradford (in fact he was quite young , probably still alive , that’s if he hasn’t died of disappointment in the UK Govt)
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@VoteNoInMarch
4 days ago
They were and still are 100% right.
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@ArtLoverScotland
5 days ago
Nothing has changed except increasing numbers from more countries.
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@stephenpurcell7433
3 days ago
Imagine these people could see the absolute state of the country now
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@mohammedzulk8485
1 day ago (edited)
The issue has always been SOME Whites not wanting non whites.
Since if you’re a white immigrant from Poland say it’s easier to blend in unnoticed unless someone speaks to you.
Vikings were immigrants to Britain so we’re Irish, they too faced racism but not to the scale of non white immigrants.
White people were immigrants in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia, Hawaii, Seychelles etc etc.
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@michaelcorleone7598
3 days ago
What was the government’s goal for mass immigration? What were they trying to achieve? Genuine question, as this isn’t my generation.
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@leegorman3329
1 day ago
back when you could speak without being called a racist , you can want better for your country, racism doesn’t have to be pushed onto us

@chancesareshewears
2 days ago
These folk know nothing about British colonialism
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@Didderly
5 days ago
If this is not pure proof the goverment do not give a toss about the British people of the UK I don’t know what is. 50 years on the situation is the same town after town being filled up with them.
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@jerryricci43
2 days ago
Tells everything you need to know. Politicians ignoring the people they are supposed to represent. And selling their country out to line their own pockets.

@davetomlinson9063
2 days ago
The more things change the more it stays the same. Fifty years ago five minutes ago.
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@Adam-zq5rw
22 hours ago
The difference being 50 years ago, they didn’t go around stabbing everyone.
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@MUSIC4TRUTH….
5 days ago
I believe in free movement around this world of ours, no paperwork no borders etc…. we are all free to travel and settle where we like, its just the suits standing in our way.
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@paulbarker5295
21 hours ago
We (the people) were never asked. Our government has continued to let us down.
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@fpc3017
5 days ago
We are all betrayed by our governments.
I only see one way. Cut the free money and you’ll see the local enablers actually getting pissed because their jobs are being taken. Then they’ll understand. When they don’t have free money and syrian Steve Baboodinajav has their job and lives in their house because they are 30 living in the same house and you cant afford it, then they’ll understand.
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@DisturbedAidan2
8 hours ago
What bothers me more than anything is how undemocratic the policy of mass migration is and has been.

@davidsewellclarke4997
2 days ago
No truer words have been spoken than these .
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@nishiki7047
1 day ago
And if we didn’t live in a fascist state , you’d get the same response from the general public today !
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@carolynellis2149
4 days ago
IMO our arrivals don’t enhance British life, because, simply, aren’t indigenous to our Island.
Southall is a mini Asiatic state when I last went there in the late 90s
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@sindydawkins2568
2 days ago
6 generation’s living there stopped with that lady I bet
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@johnsmithe3881
5 days ago
This video made me cry, my own home town is lost, last man standing…
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@angels3415
5 days ago
Me too . Enjoy memories
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@7bopper
5 days ago
Just WOW. Soon to be a forgotten race.
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@NoContextRDH
1 day ago
James O’Brien would laugh and mock these people on live radio

@nickbrian5141
2 days ago
Shame of the leaders of the UK that forced this on the wonderful people of Britain.
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@Artem-sp8rg
2 days ago
Shame on the weak post-war generations that allowed this to happen as well

@nickbrian5141
2 days ago
@Artem-sp8rg to be fair to them they always voted to stop it.

@inverlane1939
3 days ago
Perfect time to stir up more hatred against anyone who isn’t the same as us. Maybe we should adopt the Israel model of tolerance and equal rights for Palestinians The contributors were as bigoted and xenophobic as many of those commenting on this video today.
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@Britain_and_Rome
3 days ago
You’d think they’d be a law against those who gave our island away
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@ErnaldtheSaxon
5 days ago
Prophetic
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@randomhuman2595
3 days ago
One thing that change is that unemployment went down

@ErnaldtheSaxon
3 days ago
@randomhuman2595 In your dreams

@shardassolutions8547
1 day ago
These see you next Tuesdays were totally fine with colonial rule though.
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@subculture2006
3 days ago
I live in an English enclave in West London. Thats right now there are only small pockets of our capital city with majority English populations. Most of these English (like myself) are not actually Londoners, they have been race replaced. When did we vote for this.
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@jonesroberts3640
2 days ago
British English people are running away from the UK to Australia for the longest .
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@aneesa89
5 days ago
The world is made for all kind to live in
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@user-zm9gc1kt8b
3 days ago
If only they could see how it is today!
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@anythingbootneck
5 days ago
I dread to imagine this country in another 50 years, glad I won’t be here!
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@GrahamDunn-ko3wy
7 hours ago
I vividly recall a conversation I had with an Indian shopkeeper in Luton (who had fully integrated into British culture) in the early 1980’s, where he said to me ” If you think you have a problem with the blacks, just wait until the Muslims get a foothold”. How prophetic and accurate he was.

@pedazodetorpedo
4 days ago
“You can’t put a quart into a pint bottle” truer words never spoken
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@DC-gw1fc
5 days ago
Southall in Diwali is actually crazy. Just shows that the Government & wealthy are the only people who have benefited from this
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@lovemyknife8448
2 days ago
We must secure the future of our people and a future for white children
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@paulwakenell9758
4 days ago (edited)
Will the last English Scottish Welsh and Irish person please turn the light out once we are all pushed out our countries
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@cjod33
5 days ago
Deyterkorjibs. Love the English accents, they are so varied and distinctive.
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@extricatem7832
2 days ago
The people from Southall should see it now, it’s completely drowned out
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@lucylant9433
5 days ago
We were never asked because we would have said no.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
No one’s asked to be conquered.
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@user-sk4yf2vz1q
3 days ago
It’s almost like you fought the wrong enemy.
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@ncrongendov733
3 days ago
And when the public WERE asked we all got the disaster that is Brexit. But there has been very little integration because we are all tribal animals and stick with our own. It goes both ways. Unfortunately the Brits are docile and polite whereas the immigrants, especially the Entitled Muslims, are the opposite.
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@dogwklr
19 hours ago
Remember that none of these people were speaking or posing as those do on camera today for theur image etc. This is real feeling based on real condtions arpund them.
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@DK2020-pr2ov
16 hours ago
If they could see Britain now a,seems like it’s not just our generation that isn’t being listened to they been ignoring what people think or want for a very long time

@veaccara
2 days ago
The downsize of a colonial empire
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@darthgrimsdale9394
5 days ago
Ignored then. Ignored now
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@das5813
1 day ago
Few people know the truth about the UK government’s mass immigration scandal.
It’s what the British government mentality is, it’s addiction to taxation is what drove the mass immigration strategy.
The government believed that to increase its income required more people to tax.
It’s as simple as that.

@Iman-iu4bl
5 days ago
Prophecy unfolding:
Ephraim(Britain) he hath mixed himself among the people;
Strangers(immigrants) have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not.and Hosea 7.9.Your country lies desolate, your cities are burned with fire; in your very presence aliens
devour your land; it is desolate, as overthrown by aliens” (Isaiah 1:7;
The USA and Britain prophecy. – Peter Salem
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@SNUSNU-lz7dh
4 days ago
50 years later nothing has changed except it’s gone from thousands to Millions and we’ve got less social housing and amenities than we did back then
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@hibernian87
4 days ago
One lady remarks that British forces were busy fighting in Ireland when they should have been at home. Its interesting when you consider why the British forces were there – essentially because of sectarian conflict. If two groups of white Christians were fighting tooth and nail, what do you think will happen when there is resistance from the other obvious contestant who is more foreign in culture and even larger in numbers and act decisively as a group? It hasnt even begun in earnest in Britain, but you will find out. The first signs of dedicated parties for certain interests are forming. We were all warned several times by the likes of Powell. You think they British and Irish governments would have learned something from their very recent history, but alas, they must learn the hard way as usual.
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@TheOneAndOnlycE
3 days ago (edited)
giving women voting rights was the beginning of the end. Women will always vote for open borders.
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@Lee-ij6yq
5 days ago
Yet the white man kept voting Labour or Conservative,ffs,there has always been options on the ballot!
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
Both ran by the tribe.
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@colineastwood7005
3 days ago
@ClownHunt69 how right you are!

@Siwashable
2 days ago
Douglas Murray has a great deal of insight on this topic.. He has been deriding immigration policies for years and now he’s being cancelled in many places..

@Saturday6547
3 days ago
The reason why they wanted a multicultural society was because there was a lot of antisemitism in the UK, and it was thought that having an influx of different cultures would make the UK More tolerant, hence why it was encouraged.
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@gabrielzachary9704
1 day ago
This is 50 YEARS AGO !!!!!!! AND THE ENGLISH STILL JUST TALK , AND COMPLAIN
AT WHAT POINT DOES A COUNTRY ACTUALLY FIGHT FOR ITS LIFE ?????????
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@bunchofgrapesorafig
5 days ago
When the people who work for you E.G the politicians, and local borough councils etc, don’t listen to a word you say, and go ahead with what they want, and not the wants and needs of the people their supposed to represent. Then logic and reason tells you that you are no longer living in a demographic, you are living now in a dictatorship. . You are ruled unfortunately, by individuals who are out for themselves in one shape or form it seems, and the corporate masters that they bow down to…. every living souls voice falls on Def ears…
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@glennwilson2898
1 day ago
Can you imagine what these people would say if they could see the country now it’s not 100s it’s 1,000,000s
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@boobooj6739
5 days ago
Just proves nothing will ever ever change!
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@georgegeorge4921
5 days ago
There is only one way out of this, but can’t say it here
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@gama3302
2 days ago
My father came over from Yemen in the 50s. If I was to show him this video he’ll totally agree to everything said. He believes that there’s too many foreigners here, and it’s turning into a 3rd world country.
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@sp-pz8uc
1 day ago
Rain, wind and cold. Can’t blame them, leaving a warm, sunny calm climate.

@kitcarsonscout7737
3 days ago
Send them packing, all of them, start with the nurses, doctors, health specialists, heart surgeons, carers, the whole lot of them
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@thomasboyd251
2 days ago
Couldn’t agree more . Mr Enoch Powell got it right .

@juanhunglow2220
4 days ago
Nothing has changed in 50 years
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@thegreatest3303
5 days ago
We were never asked- because they knew what the answer would be. Now we’re fucked. No politician ever gave a damn about britain.
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@HammerHeart3229
2 days ago (edited)
I’m 31 years old aka born in 1992… Watching this just makes me feel even more cheated. If the immigration conversation goes all the way back to the 70’s then the fix was in before I was even born!
This video is infuriating. Absolutely fucking infuriating. The scary thing is Britain seemed to have a unified culture and national identity back then. Unless that was a load of bollocks too?
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@Caramel0Touch
2 days ago
WOW! It’s really surprising just how angry and scared people actually were when it came to the subject of immigration!

@nigelknight6688
2 days ago
Politicians right bact to the early 70s have totally ignored what the British people want & now we see the outcome towns & cities lost to immigration
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@JohnYoddie
4 days ago
I said the same thing. There are only so many people you can fit into a certain number of square miles before chaos erupts.
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@angieflynn5354
2 days ago
You can see even then it was a massive problem now look at the country a total mess
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@therespectedlex9794
5 days ago
The same as today? We’ve had about three generations of them, living segregated.
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@bigtony4829
2 days ago
Just think 50 years ago it wasnt even that bad compared to nowadays
Especially the crime and housing situation and yet they could see the writing on the wall
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@halloweenville1
2 days ago
Now when people are approached in the street, they talk through that cringe filter. It’s embarrassing listening to people say things like. “Well we are all equal” or “We should just love each other” HOW are any of those 2 things going to stop the country being ransacked and demolished. It’s like asking a burglar in your home, to sit down for a nice cup of tea, before they steal the cutlery right in front of you.
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@cartoonhead9222
4 days ago
But at least we get chicken shops and kebabs.
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@Louisejames23
3 days ago
I love their honesty and foresight. Southall went years ago, London will be next followed by many others. Where I lived in Bedford (and now in Milton Keynes) you can barely find a taxi or shop not run by an Asian.
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@riffraffgolfers
6 hours ago
If only they could see Bradford today they would be ill
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@kderules
5 days ago
It’s a total ethnocide. I can’t think of another thing to call it.
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@DavidKenny-nm1qy
4 days ago
I saw this on twitter every argument they had the irish had about the British being in Ireland
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@DizGuys
3 days ago
Bradford these days is a dump. Decent, working class communities supplanted with un-integrated cultures who have no knowledge or respect for the values of their host country. It’s utterly obscene how deliberately our indigenous people have been trampled on and made to feel racist and bigoted for wanting the best for their families in their home towns. I’m not anti immigration, or xenophobic, but despair at how badly the British citizenry has been, and continues to be treated.

@garywade1938
5 days ago
WOW this could be in 2024 nothing has changed in 50 year , the only difference is then you could speak the truth openly & freely , why have they done this . We was never asked .

@TC8787-yq7og
5 days ago (edited)
Great video which highlights how the same panic rhetoric still exists 50 years on. No substance, absolutely based on hatred, anger and a lack of education. Sad really.
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@corpseapple9619
2 days ago
Labour Tory Labour Tory Labour Tory Labour Tory… Nothing ever changes.

@frasegfunk9790
5 days ago
Same shit different decade
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@magoomagoon
3 days ago
The first clip, everything said has come to pass and proved to be true.

@WilliamYoung-in5pp
4 days ago
Average Joe seems a better person
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@JohnGOLDSMITH-qw5vy
2 days ago
Looks like an englishman dont hold the keys,to his castle anymore.
Its all over.
How sad is that !!
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@paulspencer4713
4 days ago
I cannot help but think and wonder at what point are we the British people going to make a stand against the very real and sad demise of our nationality, even back years ago people was saying enough is enough and yet the immigrants still keep rolling up and still given everything thing they need for nothing ,, I say this with a heavy heart but I honestly think that our habit of not standing up for ourselves and just accepting what ever the government throw at us will be our own downfall.
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@caeserromero3013
1 day ago
Same views
, but much more eloquently put than people today would be capable of.
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@robertwright9324
5 days ago
I should imagine that everybody who appeared in this film have now passed away, they must all be turning in their graves at the terrible state of modern Britain?
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@AR-dn6kh
13 hours ago
Back when we could understand what people were saying.

@amandaskryweropinion
3 days ago
South African here: I feel and understand your pain and frustration.
As an outsider I have seen Britain go down the drain and British culture destroyed. Mass immigration = disaster. To me it seems like Britain is turning into an extremist country.

@roberttownsend339
2 days ago
Back to a time when we had free speech.
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@HurtLocker365
2 days ago
Absolutely heartbreaking how this country has turned out. I’m looking to emigrate as soon as possible.
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@Paul-th3ul
5 days ago (edited)
It has only gotten worse.
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@cannz9134
5 days ago
2023: 250k dwellings constructed. 700k net immigration.
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@bigbarry8343
5 days ago
how many of those are flat partitions and attic/basement conversions?
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@cannz9134
5 days ago
@bigbarry8343 I don’t know. But its fair to speculate that the total output of the uk construction industry is less than what is required. We end up with a number of problems with this subject, rocketing house prices being a primary concern.
The stability of the economy to some degree depends upon the construction industry being healthy. But because we can see that its being driven by mass immigration, the picture of economic health is one that is false
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@seansmith445
5 days ago
Another of my comments deleted by YT.
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@cannz9134
5 days ago
@seansmith445 They seem to hate logic and reason
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@jamiebeecham7020
4 days ago
We have 30 million dwellings yet we are to believe we only have 67 million people . All the hostels full, hotels full,elderly care homes full, children’s homes full, special needs homes full , college accommodation full , shared accommodation have up to 30 in one property and to top it off 250k homeless British people.
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@cannz9134
4 days ago
@jamiebeecham7020 British homeless are being left to rot

@matteoperche7262
2 days ago
G’day Lads, someone outside of the UK here, just wanted to know how this turned out for you, but then I saw Rushi Sunak on the news… And I knew

@sgu02nsc66
2 days ago
Here’s a different perspective: my mother grew up in Malaya under the British empire where white British people ran things.
My mother was invited to Britain to train as a nurse, which she did and worked for the NHS for 50 years (and paid every penny of tax owed). When she first came in 1968 she was questioned by some people why she came. The answer being, she was given an opportunity and took it.
was it ok for white British people to run Malaya but not ok for those people to work and live in Britain? Genuinely interested people’s opinion on this.

@martinlopez1184
3 days ago
They’d be thrown into a cell for speaking the truth these days
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@Siwashable
2 days ago
If CHina’s culture and people was altered the way Britain and much of Europe has been altered, I wonder what the PRC govt would do? Pogroms most likely for the newcomers!

@theirishcailin333
3 days ago
If they could see now what it has become!
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@kevincarroll981
5 days ago
Thank the do gooders that never had to live with them enoch Powell was spot on
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@bobharrison4711
2 days ago
Well said everyone, nobody ever listens do they.

@Maria7Maria
1 day ago
This is so sad. In my current job for example, the people being given promotions and opportunities are not British. Part of the diversity agenda. It actively discriminated against native white brits

@sethc6663
3 days ago
Now Muhammad is the most popular boys’ name in four out of nine English regions
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@56cpfan
3 days ago
Is not

@sethc6663
3 days ago
@56cpfan Is so
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@galegrazutis964
2 days ago
ABSOLUTELY FUMING AUSTRALIA IS WITH YOU ALL THE WAY.!
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@56cpfan
2 days ago
@sethc6663 nevermind it is
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@topher2seattle
3 days ago
Interesting how things go from bad to worse, when we already know what will happen if we stay on the same path.

@adhmusic1979
3 days ago
BOB GILDOFS LIVE AID FAULT
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@user-fv2hk4jb9p
5 days ago
Always a smart bunch the British we need to stand together and claim our land back we must hold our corrupt politicians to account
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@user-ot7jd9dt7t
3 days ago
Its well past that point unfortunately, its time to retreat, just not sure where though..
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@A_MARVELLOUS_MAN
2 days ago (edited)
As a non Caucasian person who has parents who were immigrants I can understand these people and would feel the same. My parents have been here over 50 years, worked very hard but still don’t speak basic English well, watch foreign tv channels and prefer to socialise with their own race. It actually annoys me as I have to now deal with everything for them simply because they did not integrate fully. I think wherever you live in the world you need to integrate harmoniously with the people of that land. I see myself as English and speak English at all times unless I need to communicate with someone who doesn’t speak it to an understandable level.
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@Tweeza57
2 days ago
Back then the British could’ve been more careful about who they voted for. The govt, councils now have of diverse cultures and mores not compatible with British – Enoch Powell was repudiated for pointing out the perils of indiscriminate migration

@david-ky7rt
11 hours ago
This country is FINISHED
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@mikeh2006
10 hours ago (edited)
Yup. Over populated and getting poorer by the day. We don’t have enough output.
I can see the social situation heading backwards over the next few years. It’s already started but I think it will get much worse.
The govt is more like a dictatorship. You can go tory, or Labour as no other gets close. But I do believe both of those parties live in each others pockets anyway.
Councils underfunded, roads not being repaired, hardly ever see a police car unless it’s on blues. Trains are a joke right now. NHS is underfunded but also overspends in the wrong areas simply to line pockets.
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@richard74200
1 day ago
I am 50 and can see the change in my lifetime. My town went from a homogenous nice place to a dangerous third world dump.

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@user-em4dx6sg7y
1 day ago
It didn’t happen in a vacuum. Had the UK behaved like Japan and been inward looking and Insular and not involving themselves in others lands and affairs, we too could have been homogenous.
There are currently 120 million English Irish Scots Welsh in north America and Australasia who claim those far flung lands to be theirs but don’t realise one can’t change their DNA

@leon15776
5 days ago
Bring on the great removal
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@indy1936
5 days ago
That tells it all already 50 yrs ago…and nothing has been done, British people have been ignored for too long…
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@calvinator555
1 day ago (edited)
Okay, but it’s alright for the British to occupy any country or continent? (e.g. India, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia)
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@sheerluckholmes7720
11 hours ago
Australia ? I think India and South Africa were invaded many times before the British even knew where they were.

@calvinator555
10 hours ago
@sheerluckholmes7720 Yes, Australia…. they are not indigenous to that land, they colonized it.
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@s.a.3882
4 days ago
The people show more concern for their country, that any high minded politician, full of claptrap, false promises and bullshit.

@jimspencer3072
3 days ago
And it all fell on deaf ears and continued and it goes on, and on
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@georgerichardson7728
2 days ago
back when common sense was still legal

@pablononescobar
2 days ago
Funny how the term “indigenous” doesn’t get applied to the native peoples of the British Isles
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@markmorrid8144
5 days ago
Meanwhile Mr kalergi is rubbing his hands with glee in hell and Barbara Lerner spectre does follow through with a plan.
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@claudiafahey1353
3 days ago
If people truly want to immigrate anywhere for a better life, they would be willing to assimilate…everyone brings their own cultures with them yes but you have to be able to fit into the general society in a way that reasonable for everyone….my parents went to night school to learn english because they wanted to be productive citizens not take advantage of our resources while giving nothing back…i see things never really do change

@tennantofnight
4 days ago
So sad to see the cultural replacement in the UK I’m an indian living in london and personally i feel England , Ireland are now saturated
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@Siwashable
2 days ago
The first guy is not wrong.. Britain is not Britain anymore… 2000 years of culture gone in a generation or two..
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@UKGeezer
3 days ago
Literally nothing has changed apart from that we have so many more now.

@elvenkind6072
1 day ago
Have anyone, anywhere, ever, in the “Western World”, meaning Europe and the English speaking countries around the world – have anyone here or there ever been asked in a democratic election what they wanted in regard to opening up the borders and letting in whomever, whenever, and whatever people that come knocking on the door to consume the advantages our fathers and grandfathers worked all their lives to build up? And have anyone ever been asked in a democratic election, if they want their own sons to be given less, where they have to share the land that we have roots in thousand years back, in order to give to some random strangers from a random place on the planet, that know nothing of our land and want nothing of our culture, and hardly bother to learn the language?
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@redrooster5444
5 days ago
The Greater Israel Project and Khalergi Plan being activated.
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@alunevans380
3 days ago
The politicians never listened, Bradford will have a minority white indigenous population within a few years, it’s now dropped to only about 55% today. When these people in the youtube video were talking back in the 1970s it was still around 94% white so it’s dropped 40% in just 50 years.
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@stacycooper8689
4 days ago
And his wasn’t as bad as it is now so sad
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@clocks8791
3 days ago
If this was today you’d be associated with Tommy Robinson.
We’ve already lost
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@watchesdreams
4 days ago
Wow, times have certainly changed regarding what you can and can’t say in public. Not really sitting on either side of the debate but this video is eye opening.

@thomasshepard6030
3 days ago
And not one politician paid the slightest attention to what the British people said now just look at the state of GB

@trollsarebad1541
5 days ago (edited)
This is when UK was 95% White British even……
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@naruto21048
5 days ago
Now it’s 73% British and 80% white total

@trollsarebad1541
5 days ago (edited)
@naruto21048 74.4% in England and Wales which must mean 76% including Scotland and NI.
I think the real percentage is more like 60% to 65% anyway.
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@TheQ-Continuum
3 days ago
A prophetic view back in the early 1970’s ! Nothing much has changed since then. Maybe Enoch Powell was right after all !
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@dylan1159
2 days ago
This is powerful
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@dunningkruger4863
2 days ago
They were right then and they are right today.
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@tacitustoday3571
3 days ago
The number of immigrants to Britain then was relatively small ( less than one tenth of the numbers today) but concentrated in certain Northern English towns such as Bradford,.
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@leaveourstatuesalone.3378
1 day ago
And it just got worse…..and worse…….and worse…..politicians still ignoring us.

@kimkelly2024
5 days ago
I wish I could go back and live in the 70entys this country is so scary I wos born in london and its not the same it’s very scary and dangerous
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@meeee174
2 days ago
Just the best for my people and MY country
Fell on deaf ears

@joeythelipz
5 days ago
Now you know how the Irish felt when the British sailed over with their weapons and colonialism, to invade and conquer.
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@MrMatthewhg
5 days ago
Well, that may be so – but the difference here is that British people were betrayed by their political class, not invaded by another country.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
All of West Europe, even Ireland is facing this same problem with these invasions. So it’s not that.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
If the world were ran by people who are guilty of having ancestors who were apart of Empires.
The world would be human-less.
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@5gpoweredrunt505
5 days ago
Hello there Rabbi, thanks for causing division among people with a very simplistic view of history.
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@nebhalabir1201
4 days ago
@5gpoweredrunt505 oy vey

@MrMatthewhg
4 days ago
@5gpoweredrunt505 Joey is more likely Catholic than Jewish.

@MrMatthewhg
4 days ago
@nebhalabir1201 Hail Mary is more probable.

@mrsose1872
15 hours ago
All this shows is that the British people have not only lost their country in the last 50 years they also lost their bollocks.

@bigred5287
2 days ago
I dread to think how they’d react if they could see what places like Southall look like today. It’s just not an English town anymore by any means.

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@quatz1981
1 day ago
These people are saying what the British public have always thought but just are not allowed to anymore. If they could see what its like now which is a hundered times worse. Politicians have ruined this country.

@derekwilkinson688
5 days ago
They wouldn’t recognise Bradistan, i mean Bradford now!
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@AhJodie
1 day ago
Funny how it was ok though for the British to go to other places and live there and take over. It is also funny how it is the same thing some people complain about now. This is at some sort of meeting or rally it looks like, but there will always be people who welcome other people as long as they don’t cause harm. I believe with immigrants there are many new ideas that can enter the society for the better. I am sure in reality, none of those people talking in this video like ALL the British people either!

@christopherkenney4766
1 day ago
UK population 1974: 56.23M; UK population 2024: 67.96M. That over 10M difference is the same size as the entire population of Sweden. Or Cuba. Or Greece. More than the entire population of Austria. It’s Finland and Norway’s populations combined. Double the population of New Zealand.

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@user-em4dx6sg7y
1 day ago
The issue is not population but people not living on their own continent. There are 120 million English Irish Scots Welsh in north America and Australasia who really should be in Europe.
Euorpeans in Europe, africans in Africa and so on

@trollsarebad1541
1 day ago
UK population is certainly at the very least 70 million regardless what they say.

@gdr88
1 day ago
you didn’t complain when you were benefiting from the East India Company, hypocrites
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@fyrdman2185
1 day ago
I don’t think the average British person benefitted from the East India Company, only that it gave opportunities to middle class people to become administrators or businessmen there maybe.
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@gdr88
1 day ago
@fyrdman2185 the first three words from your reply are all you need to say. It would take a lifetime to educate you on how England benefitted from devastating Indian industries.

@fyrdman2185
1 day ago
@gdr88 lol the UK’s economy went up as soon as it abandoned India, just goes to show you that the drain was happening the other way around.

@Seminal_Ideas
3 days ago
Enoch would have had a considerable power base if he’d been able to overthrow Ted Heath and lead a genuine Conservative government.

@MbisonBalrog
2 days ago
50 yrs ago very few migrants. Not till 90s and 2000s. Imagine what these people alive today.
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@susanbrowne5544
5 days ago
Successive governments have never listened to the British public , but it seems you could speak out about then.
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@SuperMonkeyElmore
3 days ago
It’s as if all the people in this film could see into the future, how right they were

@steeny9845
4 days ago
The only way the government will start to listen to the British people is if we all take our money out of the banks on the same day then I guarantee things would change solidarity

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@AC-gu9ks
3 days ago
That won’t happen because of greed.

@Bah836
3 days ago (edited)
I can imagine they will get heart attack if they come to Bradford now if they’re alive though God save our beloved Queen…oh sorry our King .
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@brutuslongsword
4 days ago
I have just returned to Manchester after 15 years living in the UAE. It has changed here so much I that actually regret coming home. Crime, homelessness, people in poverty, highest taxes in decades, the list is endless. The British people have been pushed out of their own country by all this immigration. When I go to Manchester now its full of begars, crime, people being robbed…..there is no spirit left in the City. Its a shame, the UK government could learn a thing or two from the UAE. They have lots of immigrants too, I was one of them, but they know how to make sure their people don’t suffer as a result.

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@JP-bh7wb
4 days ago
A place I’m considering moving to now
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@AC-gu9ks
3 days ago
In the UAE their citizens get free housing and maintenance.

@justdoit.86yearsago
3 days ago
What a hypocrite lol

@incrediblehulk8031
2 days ago
Go enjoy the multicultural UAE then ey? Even though the native Arabs are a minority there they still got control, unlike here in the UK. Complaining about Manchester when you lived in UAE LOOOOL

@brutuslongsword
2 days ago
@incrediblehulk8031 do you have a point?

@incrediblehulk8031
2 days ago
@brutuslongsword You just came from an immigrant nation as an immigrant and now you are complaining about Manchester. That is the point.

@brutuslongsword
2 days ago
@incrediblehulk8031 ah right it’s as I expected then. A pointless comment from a person who knows fk all about anything except the UK. My point was that if you’re going to allow immigration you have to control it. It’s a simple point which u found hard to grasp. Sorry about that.

@socratesarvanitakis8547
2 days ago
No, it is not pretty much the same now. Now is 100 times worse.
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@frankdooley6451
5 days ago
Treason
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@neophyte8284
3 days ago
I am the son of a immigrant, but even I have had enough. Also a distintion needs to be made between legal migrants from Christian commonwealth countries and everyone else with a foriegn culture not compatible with Christsinity.

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@Artem-sp8rg
2 days ago
Trying to use Christianity like this magical potion that anyone can drink was one of the mistakes that led to this situation

@lasakau272
2 days ago
As an immigrant in the U.K. I agree tbh. My family is from Fiji. Dad served in the British army. But damn the immigrants I’ve seen today don’t even like the country they live in!? I’m going to move to Australia as it’s closer to home, even though I love the UK and grew up here I know in the end I will never be accepted, same with my father who served 22 years.

@yensabi
4 days ago
50 years ago and the first guy was bang on with what was going to happen… It did and look at us , we are fooked…!!!

@chalkfarmcarsquadso1664
13 hours ago
Such true words

@eam1955
5 days ago
even worse now..trouble is moaning for years but no action

@donkinghan1
5 days ago (edited)
Exactly the same issues but now 10fold while every government blue or red has not only allowed it but encouraged it while saying they are against it
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@HS-mz1lh
2 days ago
And now curry is Britain’s favourite dish

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@halloweenville1
2 days ago
Says the media, not the people.

@blueseaswhiteskies
2 days ago
Curry’s a condiment, not a dish. But I got what you mean

@halloweenville1
1 day ago
@blueseaswhiteskies Not true, Britain’s favorite dish is Chicken tikka Masala, it’s the UK’s national dish. And it isn’t a condiment.

@Marqan
21 hours ago
Well, you can look at Japan to see how a country looks that is unwelcoming of immigrants.
Pretty much all of the well-off western countries, that are improving, continously take in immigrants from poorer countries, regardless of liberal and conservative governments. It’s clearly not a political question to take in immigrants, it’s an economic one, even if parties use it as political propaganda. Gonna be a tough argument if you want to prove that all those countries are wrong.
I mean I get that people dislike immigration, that’s one thing, and they should be free to express their frustrations, but immigration also seems to be necessary. At least there’s no positive example with long-term anti-immigration policies.

@yannick9473
14 hours ago
50 years from now, future generations would be saying the same thing.

@josephbrown363
3 days ago
I like to think anyone anywhere in the world could live anywhere in the world providing you can work and support yourself and family. Unfortunately some…not all…want to free load or force their religion on others and at a cost. Do in Rome what the Romans do.

@Freedom2FlyDrones
3 days ago
This is what I grew up with, these attitudes and today young kids tell me I’m racist. Well in 30 yrs I’d like to see what their kids generation say about their attitudes.
We were never asked, told and when we voiced opposition we were ignored and are still ignored.
VOTE FOR INDEPENDANT CANDIDATES ONLY do not vote for a rosette party

@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
Was it worth fighting it Britain? Was it worth fighting your German brothers for the Jews?
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@vorzeichen494
3 days ago
No, it wasn’t. And in Germany almost no one knows this.
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@Sardarji-bq6oj
4 days ago
Southall is lovely Great memories of the place in the 70’s

@fernandodacruz6283
3 days ago
Its Hilarious watching these cartoon characters:)!
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@eddie4324
1 day ago
It’s about demographics. If you dont want immigration then start having more children.
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@sercanaksoy4589
4 days ago
Man I would’ve loved to been around in the 50’s, I mean they were just giving out money as when you needed it. I Should start looking in to all that benefit money I’ve missed out on seeing as they were going to giving money away maybe they can back date it somehow

@kiriladamski7428
2 days ago
Boomerang of history, colonial attitude resive the bill.
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@MyLove-qi6lg
5 days ago
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Jesus Christ is King
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@ronwhite8503
5 days ago
So, rely on a magical sky fairy to help………. how’s that worked out for the past two thousand years?
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@5gpoweredrunt505
5 days ago
So Jesus will send them all home if we just pray to him? Funny that’s not how the Muslims were sorted in Spain.

@zedred8075
4 days ago
At least immigration has improved the looks of the locals – what a sight these people are!
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@neilmcbeath954
3 days ago
The level of ignorance here is quite staggering. The woman with the cut-glass accent at 0.38 claiming that “you can’t put a quart into a pint pot”, is one example. In the past 50 years the population of the UK has only increased from 55 million to 67 million.
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@brucebanner9911
14 hours ago
As a South African I love to see how karma is doing her job

@apathyintheuk265
4 days ago
Thank God our politicians at least learn from mistakes of the past.

@cliffcartledge310
1 day ago
The betrayal of the flag and Jack,
2024 the uk is the dustbin , which all the rubbish is put now

@spanglestein66
5 days ago
Didn’t listen to them then …..haven’t listened to them now ….and they were always right
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@hyderally8045
3 days ago
This actually cracked me up. Times have changed, but these moaners have not
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@80srenaissance67
2 days ago (edited)
50 years of tutting and doing nothing .
Waiting for a leader to give the word

@nullgravity2583
2 days ago
MEGA! MAKE. ENGLAND. GREAT. AGAIN.
MAKE EUROPA GREAT AGAIN!
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@patriciasanderson2171
5 days ago
Wow. So sad. And yeah Southall is erm…lovely.
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@Onemanblitzkrieg
5 days ago (edited)
England was pretty much completely Anglo Saxon until 1948. The windrush should of been turned away, as should all non British people coming in.
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@JS-el3zm
4 days ago
Nobody listened then, and nobody listens now, and the result is tragedy for everyone.

@rigamortice
5 days ago
They didn’t listen then and they are not listening now, Vote Reform for a change
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@Rose_Ou
2 days ago
And a Hindu for PM in 2024!
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@alfiegrove7233
1 day ago
its beyond criminal and disgraceful……………………….

@trevorford9432
5 days ago
Wow they are saying this 50yrs ago they would turn in their graves if they could see the UK now.
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@christopherwhipps9474
2 days ago
The spread of the British Empire came back to bight England on the arse.
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@drew699
12 hours ago
1945-2000 UK saw 50K migrants pa, now its 1.2M pa or x24 times that level. We are witnessing the replacement of the UK population & culture by stealth & without any democratic mandate.
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@thechampion1671
7 hours ago
The version of democracy we live under has failed

@bridiesmith5110
5 days ago
Nothing changes.
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@robertaubrey3571
3 days ago
Imagine if you went to the capital of Nigeria and did not see one black person.
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@Batmanthe3rd
1 day ago
And he was worried about the “hundreds”
Aged well…
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@ready260
5 days ago
Heartbreaking video.
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@martinwarner1178
2 days ago
He that does not look backward to his ancestors, will not look forward to posterity.

@mjh5437
4 days ago
They`re so right,they just wanted to be left alone to live in the peaceful and civilised England they had always lived in and for which they and their parents had recently fought a World War for six long years to protect it from a foreign invasion,and which their hardworking ancestors had created for them..And that is precisely all WE want NOW….BTW,the first half of this film from 0:00 to 2:15 is in Southall,West London,not Bradford.
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@SP-lw7mr
4 days ago
The lady that said driven out summed it all up. Nothing is said about white flight as if it never happened and still goes on now.
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@jena.alexia
2 days ago
I wonder if any of these people are still alive. They’d have a fit seeing what the UK has turned into.
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@kevinralph5305
2 days ago
And the politicians still don’t listen.

@raymondberry9482
3 days ago
It’s true though, we’ve never been asked if we actually want them.
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@mayena
14 hours ago
This is from the documentary England, Whose England? (1973).
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@i_wouldprefer_not_to1196
5 days ago
My teenage gay nephew recently called me waaayyyciist. He is in for a shock one day if he keeps that attitude up!
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@honey2354
5 days ago
Imagine what they’d think now?
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@bentuffin6357
4 days ago
I’ve as much hate for them as they do for us
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@bullshtman447
4 days ago
They’ve been trying to pull this plan off for years…
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@user-dd4zr4io3j
3 days ago
At what point will we the people act.
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@user-qp8of9hm4u
2 days ago
Now you know how the Palestinians Iraq Syria Libya Yemen Afghanistan people feel about their own countries being destroyed by the British
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@chadtheimpaler_
2 days ago
What does that have to do with mass immigration?
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@user-qp8of9hm4u
2 days ago (edited)
@chadtheimpaler_ it will take an answer which will be deleted from YouTube I will give you a hint Shakespeare Shylock
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@hammadsethi5329
1 day ago
Maybe we should not have evolved from feudalism to capitalism… No industrialisation, no colonisation, no wars, no multiculturalism or globalisation… a beautiful innocent world as always.

@uncoolben79
12 hours ago
ooh! Southall!!!! That’s GONE!!
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@bassicuk1986
3 days ago
Don’t people get it. Immigration is money for UK. It makes the government richer.
We have no say and we never will he able to have our own way.

@minskdhaka
5 days ago
Wow, but colonising North America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia, Kenya, India, Ceylon, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc., etc. for centuries was fine and dandy? But when the Empire comes home, suddenly “we’re full up”?
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@robmitchell5737
4 days ago
Colonising never meant outnumbering the indigenous population and becoming a parasite.
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@Dryzual
3 days ago
Its like democracy doesn’t benefit the people at all and only the people we are not allowed to criticize that lobby our governments.

@EugVR6
4 days ago
I’m surprised youtube allowed you to post this!
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@brianmac8260
5 days ago
Southall – unbelievable.
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@jamiebell2727
19 hours ago
Wow it’s like what many of us think now but couldn’t say, nothing has changed in our thought process, we have been stitched up and abandoned by our government

@mrsi-zh5op
5 days ago
Eye opening
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@kaybeth9181
2 days ago (edited)
The comments are the same as what’s being said today. No room, not enough schools, doctors and housing. I often hear all this. Nothing has really changed.

@doubleddoroga1324
5 days ago
They were correct unfortunately . I was shocked of what I saw in Bradford 9 years ago . I don’t wanna know what’s there now .
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@Tentoumushi69
3 days ago
There’s a reason I moved to the ‘racist’ countryside I love it here. London is a joke.
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@Max-ht9hf
5 days ago
Britain is Finished get your children to emigrate if they are able!
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@jillybe1873
5 days ago
Where to?
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@JP-bh7wb
4 days ago
@jillybe1873 Anywhere where the countries leaders have a functioning brain. Argentina, Netherlands, Russia and UAE spring to mind. Possibly USA if Trump gets in

@f4zzo
3 days ago
@JP-bh7wb You have to be ironic with that comment

@definitelynotatroll246
12 hours ago
Now look at us, they must be rolling in there graves

@welshlad6427
1 day ago
Crime of the century.

@jillatherton4660
5 days ago
Divide and rule.
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@user-mc1yd9bp5x
3 days ago
I agree with these English natives
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@winbig1
4 days ago
There is no consent of the governed !!!

@anty66
5 days ago
Blimey, that was 50 years ago and the politicians are still asleep.
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@user-rl8mq9uf7b
19 hours ago
My dad put in his will that he would only sell his house to a white family and not coloureds

@waynelittle646
2 days ago
Our towns and cities are becoming unrecognisable, and our culture is disappearing

@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
’The AXIS’ fought to preserve Europe, not ‘The Allies.
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@mightymeatball8535
3 days ago
What part of what Enoch powell said was wrong again????
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@anfomhar1045
5 days ago
Anyone know what year this is? I’m guessing perhaps mid to late seventies?
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@vfr750fv
5 days ago
1974.
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@anfomhar1045
5 days ago
@vfr750fv cheers mate
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@sixtiesman100
3 days ago
These people are so right
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@jandrew0639
20 hours ago
If only they could know how much worse things would get.

@gandelf8355
5 days ago
A peace treaty in 1916 would have prevented all this.
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@billybeveridge9172
14 hours ago
Wonder how many people are holdin back with their comments as fear of bein called a racist

@edinamckeown3161
4 days ago
Freedom of speech was allowed then… now you can’t say BOO…..

@franks.2544
5 days ago
Wound left festering 50 years and gangrene has set in.
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@nickthomas7465
13 hours ago (edited)
50 years ago no jobs Accomdation problems and in 2024 still the same problem

@avipatable
5 days ago (edited)
When will the masses react. What will it take?
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@sharoncushley5216
5 days ago
Have they ever listened to us.NO. it’s what ever proves more beneficial to them.
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@wakeupuk3860
4 days ago
WOW !!.. 50 years ago and stupid me who would have been aged 20 then , would have viewed all these people as far right racists, but now I wish if any of them were still alive I would ask for their forgiveness, as EVERY word they spoke was the truth and has come true.
How did a country such as ours that stood alone against Hitler when the rest of Europe pretty much caved in, but we especially my family of Londoners stood up to the Blitz and went to fight in Europe, that 20 years later had so many people in positions of power, became obsessed with brining in immigrants and ignoring just as happens now, to the very valid points of these TRUE British people were saying.
Those who caused this INVASION are traitors and deserved what traitors were once given, because just as Enoch Powell stated we now have civil strife, lost of law and order, violence of drug gangs and police have no control at all.

@OccupyMars-tj4sg
5 days ago
This needs to make a resurgence. Out. No more.

@SeanPounds-lg8dt
1 day ago
Wow,why do our politicians never listen, look at our country now ,it will never be the same again,we are losing our culture, very sad,there not racist ,there just being honest and wanting to live in a country of there own.

@NodrogMacphee
3 days ago
50 years and no change but just worse , I wonder how many people have emigrated.
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@richardsmith8325
5 days ago
They weren’t wrong
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@rizwanali649
5 days ago
If you only your forefathers stayed at home in the first place, rather than trying to colonialise other countries across the globe
But my, my, how tables have turned

@grumpygramps1451
4 days ago
Just imagine how India felt when, against their will we imposed our empire upon them many years ago ?
Boot on the other foot springs to mind !
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@VivaDukors
3 days ago
@indrajeet I am from Goa, and the Portuguese did the same here in Goa.

@hemtet5500
3 days ago
just out of interest what percentage of British were in India compared to the native population? I’m genuinely curious.

@grumpygramps1451
3 days ago
@hemtet5500 . Absolutely no idea of numbers however, the point was that the empire took over absolute sovereign rule of their entire nation against their will and by use of deadly force. They didn’t invite the empire, they didn’t allow the empire, they had no choice.
Pot calling kettle black, how can we justify complaining about immigration when (1) we were once one of the worlds worst invaders of other nations, an empire on which the sun never set, an empire that held sovereign rule over a third of the world’s land mass all against the will of the indigenous. (2) we are permitting, we are allowing, we are granting the access of immigrants, imagine inviting & welcoming someone into your home then complaining they’re there when you’ve allowed them in in the first place.

@hemtet5500
3 days ago
@grumpygramps1451 India invited in the British in the form of the East India Company we always formed a co operative with the top layer of society and they were more than happy to go along with it Gandhi got trained as a lawyer in England hardly the behaviour of uncaring tyrants. As for inviting immigrants no one I know wants any form of immigration and hasn’t for many years.

@moon1val
5 days ago
This small Island is finished
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@alangould1465
4 days ago
Christ,if it wasn’t for the clothes,the hairstyles and the sideburns it could easily be 2024,not 1974
Even the police looked smart,professional and respectful of the peaceful protest?
Today’s kids need to see this?

@GudieveNing
3 days ago
1:23 Well said madam! Same today.
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@thehouseholder5468
5 days ago
Tommy Robinson and Enoch Have had it right for years
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@skindawg3615
1 day ago
Wish i had a time machine, let the government view what is going to happen.

@amataratsu006
8 hours ago
Strange nobody complained about colonising and invading other countries

@keithskegwin
5 days ago
Just ask gary lineker. He’ll take them in
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@JackSouth-gm6qr
12 hours ago (edited)
You cannot put a quart into a pint bottle !
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@monsiursnowman66
12 hours ago
And just think its now probably a thousand times worse than they were thinking it would end up

@chieftandriver703
5 days ago
Lied to for 50 years and now irreversible
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@raftai665
3 days ago
It’s a tragedy how bad it’s gotten. Most people in the UK and Europe knows it’s bad. Its a failed project and they need to go home. Even those who were “born here”. Doesn’t matter. Leave !

@davidgriffiths6454
5 days ago
Even then no one listened to Enoch.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
Or A.H.
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@EliteBuildingCompany
5 days ago
90% of the public agreed with him.
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
His peers kicked him to the kerb. He seemed a nice man though I dont agree with his perspective. He seemed biased in not acknowledging the tens of millions if not more of English Irish Scots Welsh in North America and Australasia. For any real changes to happen, ALL people must be on their. Own continent And this includes all the “gringos” in north America and Australasia

@alwayspooh1588
4 days ago
This is exactly the same as 2024. Same language, same views
, same issues.

@jasonbourne7499
5 days ago
Betrayed
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@backcountrymon
3 days ago (edited)
We was never asked, they’ve never listened….wat a government, look at the state its in now

@gigabit9823
2 days ago
I’m glad most of them cannot see the nightmare it became today.

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@trollsarebad1541
1 day ago (edited)
I would think all in this video are dead now apart from maybe the guy at 2.25

@user-sm9jy2jm1i
5 days ago
Pretty much the same aa the rest of the world outside of the west.
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@paulconder8155
4 days ago
Ain’t this the truth Enoch Powell comes to mind
It’s now broken Britain and rivers of blood soon let’s see if the foreigners are up for the fight we most definitely are

@nicka113
10 hours ago
The UK is a hole now and it’s started right here.

@Fulkumnuts
5 days ago
The more immigration the more people after 1 job means less pay ,ie flood the country with cheaper labour, l bet we haven’t had any doctors, dentists, nurses, engineers, scientists, school teachers
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@glenn5692
5 days ago
Correct

@hijazlander
4 days ago
automation will take most jobs anyway, will you blame immigration for that too?

@NatMart9394
5 days ago
We have imported far too many immigrants who have come here not to live in our society, but to replicate the society of their homelands.
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@davejohns1987
5 days ago
Great Britain is finished because nobody listened

@IndridCold.
5 days ago
By the hundred, those were the days .
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@CALLofDUTYGAMER2312
12 hours ago
I was only 7 years old when this was filmed. Today its ten times worse now Im 56

@terryjones1000
5 days ago
Imagine what they would think of this country now.

@danrayson
5 days ago
We don’t own what we can’t defend. We can’t defend our land, they own it.
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@rolandsmith2141
2 days ago
If those people could see the state we are in now
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@williamthompson4389
5 days ago
And that was 50 years ago!!! I wonder what the people interviewed would say now. If only we had a Government that represented the people of this country and public opinion. VOTE REFORM UK. The only chance left.
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@0utlawjase1
15 hours ago
They dont call it bradistan for nothing

@dan11438
3 days ago
‘Coming in by the hundreds’. If only they could see things today

@everest9707
5 days ago
Help tackle the problem!
Watch this youtube vide0 and follow its advice : A Parliamentary petition to suspend immigration to Britain for five years
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@jamescorneliustaylor6997
19 hours ago
To an extent we simply see that the people with those views
50 years ago are still around…

@asa1973100
5 days ago
HOW RIGHT THEY WAS
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@stuvwxyz0
14 hours ago
Its like an episode of Monty Python.
History shows we done the same thing hundreds of years before and colonised other countries. How shallow and uninformed english people were back in these days.

@annedonnellan6876
5 days ago
ENGLISH PEOPKE PAID 10 POUNDS TO EMIGRATE TO AUSTRAL7A WHIKE WINDRUSH WELCOMED DUE TO LABOUR SHORTAGES
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@adrianchetwynd1334
5 days ago
There weren’t labour shortages at that time.
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@doravernon6193
3 days ago
@adrianchetwynd1334 no, there weren’t, there were plenty of jobs due to so many not returning from the war.

@adrianchetwynd1334
3 days ago
@doravernon6193 Your source please. And how do you explain away the current immigration wave which is far greater than the Windrush invasion?

@LonesomeSmile1978
1 day ago
NOW THIS IS WHAT THE ENGLISH LOOK LIKE.

@Claptonite555
1 day ago
Can’t we send them back?
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@horror11
2 days ago
this ppl have seen NOTHING and knew already how everything will go down.

@christopher71300
3 days ago
I hate what this country has become. Too late now.

@geraldbrookes3666
5 days ago
So,so true Joe
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@saynf
2 days ago
Did anyone forget the British empire??? Messed up the most of the world and they talking about British values
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@davidhastings7714
2 days ago
“why can’t we live with our own people” ?

@avagrego3195
5 days ago
Thank you for this video.
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@tyronekhan848
1 day ago
Theyd turn in their graves now if they saw southall now

@vietashroffoliver2521
4 days ago
I guess that’s how the people in the British colonies felt when they were invaded and ruled by Britain. Cause and effect?

@ragnarironspear1791
5 days ago
Enoch did warn us
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
So did A.H.
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@calaragazza3556
3 days ago
I think this is how Native Americans thought when these ppl were invading North America and forcing their language on everyone.
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@SA-bg6kr
2 days ago (edited)
Should have listened. REFORM UK. LETS GO

@ubolsueathet1201
3 days ago
Fu-k me, if we said that thesedays the jails would be full
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@paulbelstone7938
3 days ago
How spot on were these people.

@misdangered4326
5 days ago
0:23 Even Paul McCartney is against immigration now…
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
That’s nick griffin…ex bnp leader

@reddevil7140
3 days ago
They now what they’re doing letting them all in.

@Jason-wm5qe
5 days ago
Imagine if they saw the country today
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@windowman929
5 days ago
All talk and no action English……
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@princebuster93
5 days ago
@ windowman, you don’t know what you are talking about, this is a spiritual war…” concentrate
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
There are several Anglo Christian military bases of UK and US fighters in moslem lands and they refuse to leave and insist on imposing their will on the region and its people including women and children.
A hell of a lot of action I’d say

@LSD04
3 days ago
Well not much has changed then, don’t forget to thank your MP

@duinteriors
3 days ago
We were NEVER asked!!!….now we are fucked!

@11craftycats
5 days ago
We’ll be extinct very soon like dinosaurs, lost to the musties
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@terencekidd1097
4 days ago
if ordinary British people see this 50 years ago why didn’t the politicians…..if people spoke out like that now be arrest for hate speach

@aa-up4sf
2 days ago (edited)
I take it few of these people were aware what their great grandparents and further back ancestors did in Asia, Africa, North America, Australia and South America. I’m sorry but your track record means you cannot complain. And the women soeaking about the poor lads in Ireland has some cheek, the Irish have the right to complain as they mever colonised anywhere unlike the British.
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@halloweenville1
2 days ago
We enriched, not just colonized. Most hated when we left, and begged us to come back. We have been feeding, clothing and clearing other countries shit for too long. So hush up and stop painting a one sided picture of our GREAT nation. , underdog.

@johnnysimpson5385
5 days ago
Imagine what they think now jesus
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@YIDARMY08
4 days ago
They call it white flight when the native leaves. They get pushed out.

@_Saint_gaming
7 hours ago
This is what happens when you colonise others, it comes back to bite you.

@angels3415
5 days ago
To late now. Enjoy life as it was
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@norahdenovan8658
4 days ago
Oh yes, it is tragic, it is an utter disgrace. Goodness knows what they would think now. I am sick of it like everybody else now

@richard74200
1 day ago
Never could they have imagined that the invasion would gather pace, that nearly every town and city would be ghettoised, every type of crime visited upon the native people.

@woodyforest7308
5 days ago
Putin come save us
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@AC-gu9ks
3 days ago
Careful for what you wish for.

@martinowen6235
3 days ago
NOTHING HAS CHANGED AT ALL STILL BEING IGNORED VOTE REFORM

@wendynicholls6231
4 days ago
Why why why are the government through the generations doing this to us?

@zoomed66
3 days ago
To be fair, they all look miserable even back then.

@JohnBad-sv6is
5 days ago
South hall doesn’t have any English living there now. We are well and truly FKed
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@user-zw4mz2gx5w
4 days ago
Who lives in Southall. Ealing seems ok though

@TheGazza636
4 days ago
Just show the public are not and never have been listened too

@raydeeble6053
5 days ago
What’s changed?
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@lakeembryant4290
5 days ago
yeah and Brits have done nothing to stop it .. and likely never will

@mickclarke5741
3 days ago
My god if they could see it now
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@bobpullen1649
5 days ago
However true back in the days
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@MX-Mug
5 days ago
True words spoken, they HAVE turned places into ghettos.

@jamescotter9034
3 days ago
The exact same disaster is being imposed on my people now. Everything said in the video is being said in Ireland every day in 2024.

@chrisgreenland8990
5 days ago
The good old days
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@regs_j
7 hours ago
Well I have to apologise but too many of the folk in this video had no backdone and never held the government accountable, they are as much to blame. This is a fact and cannot be refuted.

@thebossguide4859
3 days ago
There we have it. It was never welcomed in the first place.

@Rusty-Hinge
5 days ago
If you agree with them… perhaps you’ll get to some demos… or maybe your busy those days ?
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@kimkeen8924
4 days ago
Oh, if only we could speak like that these days, without all the woke Ness around. Look what’s happened to Bradford now. Diversity inclusion hasn’t happened the exact opposite has happened.

@markm3436
4 days ago
It’s shocking to think how long we’ve been turning a blind eye to all this, if there’s ever a time we need reform UK it’s now.

@jay8656
5 days ago
Wake up my British lions.
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@kevincrooks4872
4 days ago
we have no lions only sausages left in this county nobody has the ball to stand up,and sick of all the gaza protest this is GREAT BRITAIN

@sbaby-kg8hn
3 days ago
Lions are African

@davidgraham8058
4 days ago
Just getting worse and worse.

@Pr3stag3
4 days ago
Are you deleting comments?
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@ianmoore7735
5 days ago
As least we aren’t speaking German.
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@garbagepailkids81
5 days ago
Lol yep. The most ironic cope of the last eight decades.
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@ClownHunt69
5 days ago
But at least we get to speak Arabic.
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@AC-gu9ks
3 days ago
To be honest I rather speak German than Arabic.
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@jimmyj8161
2 days ago
It’s mad that ppl cross through 12 countries to get to us…

@Babsza
2 days ago (edited)
And that was then !!! These people were doing their best then to take a stand and stick together ! Would it happen today ? I doubt it ! BTW it is not a racial issue it is a population issue , especially now and just think about the next ten or twenty years !
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@andrewhall9852
3 days ago
When people weren’t silenced by the threat of being ostracized by the label of ‘racism’.

@danisanzu679
3 days ago
let’s go back to the time when polio, diphtheria, ration books and hiding in the underground while boiling food and ignorance.
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@AI-Records24
3 days ago
A time when people could form coherent sentences.

@danisanzu679
2 days ago
@AI-Records24 racist incoherent words… I totally agree

@robertguildford
2 days ago
Its your own fault Britain you did nothing when something needed to be done. Ethinic engineering by Parliment created divisions in society that were non existent previously. How does a society become prosperous when its divided It does’nt and it never will.

@blackrook2935
3 days ago
I’m staying in Bradford for a bit it’s like in a whole new country. Matter of time whole country become Bradford . GONE

@user-uv4gc2kc8h
4 days ago
So very,very sad. Now look at all the problems.

@marianneward1704
4 days ago
We still let then in and give them everything while English people go without. Stilll no one asks or listens to our people,

@ianrobert6239
2 days ago
How right they were.
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@philipmilner9638
4 days ago
Sounds like sucessive governments ignored warning after warning by the voting British public.

@brotherd89
5 days ago
The people have not been for this for decades yet they have been ignored constantly never asked just ignored, and they have had to watch the country they knew vanish completely changed into something far far worse than they could have even imagined back then

@Bob-ts2tu
19 hours ago
i’ve lived in the surrounding bradford areas all my life, and christ knows what these people would say if was like it is now back then.

@paulrumbold2436
4 days ago
No hope whatsoever . Same shite . Different time . History repeating itself ? Learnt nothing in history . 6 generations ffs . This country sucks

@spinachtriangle
3 days ago
Let’s be honest their lives seemed quite boring and stuck up anyway. A bit if a mix probably did the area good.
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@arthurdixon5890
4 days ago
There was very low numbers then. Count up now how many immigrants have come in the past 30 years. Many work, but many do not. The rest of us pay taxes to keep them.

@johnstannard8366
3 days ago
Birds of a feather should flock together.

@blahblah4129
3 days ago
Oh, the irony of it all.
Forgetting your colonial past, hypocrites?

@WingmanLive
3 days ago
People coming to the uk say they want a better life and chance to work so why do so many have large families upto 15 children when they cant afford to keep them?

@robertmurphy-bishop9252
3 days ago
Now the English know what it’s like to be colonized the scots Irish and all the others have been in that situation for years

@jmc4094
3 days ago
The funny thing is they come here thinking the british tax payer will fund them but over the course of the next few decades the cash will run out and then what will they do then? Go home?

@victorsilvester78
3 hours ago
Wise people.
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@alexsamsung5579
3 days ago
We’re told immigrants improve our country, but not their own?

@everythingisalie5320
4 days ago
Ha ha ha!! That’s just what the locals said in every country the British invaded and colonised. Nobody likes it when it’s done to them.

@user-lx8vz6oc2b
2 days ago
give this tape to idiot politicians who dont have a clue want the people want.The reason being it does not effect there life at all

@richarddutchholland4780
5 days ago
Enoch Powell was pretty right……….
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
Shame he was kicked to the kerb by his own kind. Even his family are ashamed of him. No one comes to the forefront to speak on his “legacy”
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@AszrayelLawgiver
5 days ago
Wow, ignoring the British people for over 70 years. Discusting!

@tonyirving4154
3 days ago
So true , thay where right but its much much worse, we have been betrayed, a true tragedy, I curse those that did this to the uk .

@kerrybayton2954
5 days ago
For 50 years the public have said no & for 50 years we have been ignored.. If you dont care for yourself ask yourself what country a re you going to leave to your children & grand children! Or is love Idland & football more important?

@tamthebam1000
3 days ago (edited)
Disgusting nothing has been done

@paulace0674
3 days ago
Look at Southall now, say no more
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@chadtheimpaler_
3 days ago
Bro they literally have Hindi on the train sign.
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@AzovSS
2 days ago
Do you know why? Cheap labour. So the corporations has the excuse to not give workers decent pay because immigrants dont similarly complain about their wages compared to the local English folks.

@michaeljanes-jm5vc
4 days ago
If you want a migrant for a neighbour vote Labour !

@Teslaharmonic
3 days ago
and look at the stupid police protecting their betrayers.

@singlemalt5261
3 days ago
The government let these ppl down

@maryclynch9356
3 days ago
Well, nothings changed there.
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@DudeSilad
3 days ago
They could never have imagined just how bad it’s become.

@wildlifeinanaustralianback4173
2 days ago
Nothing has changed apart getting worse
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@bencooper2207
4 days ago
This could have been filmed yesterday. Nothing has changed in so long and it’s being ignored

@JackieMilburnt
4 days ago
All this proves is people still gobble up the spoonfed narrative that immigrants are the problem .

@darrengoodwin9819
12 hours ago
Bradford now 99% foreigners

@jesseherman1272
5 days ago
They were literally bang on the money
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@mrade5673
3 days ago
Hitler wouldnt have this.

@k3lvd
2 days ago
Then lets kick off an reclaim OUR country

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@k3lvd
1 day ago
Lol I got a 24hr ban

@Thereishope664
4 days ago
This video just proves the indigenous population have never been listened too. And yet we still vote them in. Madness.

@alwardgrover3347
4 days ago
There you go true English people from 50 years ago what have the Government learnt Nothing & as we all know its getting worse Shut the flood gates now

@vicgallimore6756
4 days ago
WE COULD SEE THIS COMING. MOVED TO AUSTRALIA IN 1960.
THANK GOD.

@ronaldwood9247
4 days ago
We have never wanted this, but we never have had a real funded right wing party and still haven’t.

@anishussain7093
4 days ago
They didn’t eat kebabs then that’s why. Imagine if they did they’d love them

@adamroper1197
3 days ago
We’ve all be betrayed.

@lostintranslation1957
5 days ago
And so right was he. It was and is a tradegy. All other nations are allowed to keep theor ethnicity and culture but not us. Under socialism, that has been stripped.

@localreviewking134
2 days ago
Then half of them retired to Spain
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@inspiredalways4444
2 days ago
“I just want People of my kind”

@Markk4785
5 days ago
They were ignored, evidently

@diehard21000
3 days ago
Now the uk is dustbin with these people

@brucetungsten5714
3 days ago
Sneaky “genocide”.

@fosterkennel649
5 days ago
Western civilization and western kind or under attack. Blessings to my English cousins.

@user-lx3oi6xy2e
1 day ago
Whats the first place?

@henrycastle1
5 days ago
Marlin spotted in English Channel
Numbers growing
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@astrodom199o5
2 days ago
Tbh I wonder how they would react if all of us immigrated over to their country

@roops2939
3 days ago
Obesity rates have increased in the last 50 years….

@Robertconor1
5 days ago
Game over.
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@peterthornton2396
2 days ago
And now we’ve got Rochdale

@manofweed1
2 days ago
This film and views
could have been recorded yesterday, except it’s far worse now than these could ever have imagined !

@davidwharton841
2 days ago
Saying what we aren’t allowed to now.

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@Dylanesque
2 days ago
Odd that, because, many do.
And they say it repeatedly.
.
Signed…..A.N Immigrant.

@HouseOldSkoolRaver
4 days ago
Brits will learn the hard way.

@danielmccolgan
1 day ago
The more the merrier! Come on over! Roast dinner is shit. Chapatti and mutton ftw
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@edwardhubbard5425
5 days ago
When was this filmed?

@goj-bh1cm
1 day ago
All upperclass racists.
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@Kahnovitch
12 hours ago
By ‘eck you’re SO right thur luv. Listen t’ all them posh accents, eee by gum!

@babyjesus8761
2 days ago
This sounds like yesterday, this country is finished

@brianorakpohit
1 day ago
Brexit went well reading the comments guys

@giantputt7066
4 days ago
Enoch Powell was exactly right

@marpledave
5 days ago
Raging, no one listened or listens
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@franoloughlin3495
1 day ago
I was in London a few weeks back and I was 1st on the bus at the terminus. The driver was from Sri Lanka and he was giving out about the Indians and Pakistanis living in Southall, I thought that was funny. And that’s 50 years on since the video was made. Hardly a white English person around there now.

@bilpat5123
3 days ago
I mean our supermarket shelves laid empty when we had brexit and all EU immigrants went back..#nuffsed

@johnsmith-ik8il
4 days ago
Before cancel culture AKA wokeism.

@brianadens9826
5 days ago
Screwed us
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@richardmullens4707
3 days ago
How do you gamble in a cemetery?
Surely if you are in a cemetery you have already lost?

@mus139
4 days ago
Enoch Powell warned us?
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@SajidHussain-lj5mr
5 days ago
Enoch Powell was right
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
He was kicked to the kerb. For a mart man, he didn’t campaign enough for the millions of English Irish Scots Welsh to be repatriated from north America and Australasia. He didn’t realise for any real changes to happen, those people would have to rerturn to UK and Ireland

@Truth_Make_You_Free
2 days ago
Is like watching GB news today.

@HarryPotter-ub8yc
6 hours ago
Maybe if we didn’t invade other countries

@user-lm2wz5qf5o
2 days ago
First guy must have come from the future. Bang on

@terenceclark6858
4 days ago
And now the transition is almost complete.

@sonsofthetribe
1 day ago
It’s all done on purpose but you muggs keep voting
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@750triton
1 day ago
Perhaps now you will understand why they took our guns

@gb194
4 days ago
The uk needs to start again

@fmyouthdev
3 days ago
Everyone knew but nothing was done, tragic really.

@Dan23_7
4 days ago
Nothing has changed and just got worse.

@michaelrhys6167
4 days ago
They told the British people that they will build a country fit for heroes instead they give it away to the heathens they didn’t ask the people

@ianraymondback
4 days ago
They were completely right wasn’t they

@bigal3364
4 days ago
Enoch powell was right, now look how englands turned out

@cblack1green
2 days ago
Coming in by there hundreds the man said, try thousands now.

@tonycruzman162
15 hours ago
yes so true what they say..the worst ever tony blair

@davewhite4206
4 days ago (edited)
People will never be asked about the real issues! Governments will always act on unpopular ideas like immigration!

@andypandy9931
4 days ago
If these people could see the country now !

@dbz9393
4 days ago
if you had these views
in britain today you’d be arrested. Funny to see how housing was a problem even back then

@kopynd1
3 days ago
a remember it well in 1971 trip to Bradford opened my eyes, some poki on the corner selling in papers shouting legs of a crab a said to me mate whats he shouting, legs of a crab, must of been something of a telegraph

@markscott5310
3 days ago
I live in Southall and everything said is true

@garethparr9482
2 days ago
Once nice decent areas of our towns and city’s have been turned into slums because they are not civilised people and are happy to live in s…holes !! I’m a grandpa to 4 grandchildren and it worries me what this country will have become when they are trying to make their way in the world. Vote reform we need change. FAST!!

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@Artem-sp8rg
2 days ago
“Just vote harder” says every out-of-touch boomer, while almost in every European country the main left and “right” wing parties are more or less sponsored by the same people. This video serves as compelling evidence of the outcomes in our high-trust society and where it ultimately takes us

@phillismable6303
2 days ago
Except the British people don’t look like this now do they?

@carlosevilla6949
7 hours ago
I am not 100percent sure.this was 50 years ago.. are they talking about asians or as a whole?

@frangargett3296
5 days ago
Same arguments are going on 50 years later and it is still not changed the government does not care it should have been sorted years ago so what is the point voting it will be the same in
50 years time.

@HS-cf8lz
1 day ago
The problem is years of invading other countries then all our previous generations came to build the country integrated. Newer generations also seen themselves as British working men. Yet they have the same problem as the people in this video had, immigrants who come, don’t integrate, don’t add any value.

@thadonis3516
4 days ago
Their facebook accounts were all suspended after this.

@MagicE13
2 days ago
Free Speech.

@Ashleysminiadventures
1 day ago
I agree with them
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@sebastiennesp1978
3 days ago
Not a rainbow LGBTwhatever flag to be seen on this march. Ah! Happy days, (ironically…)

@B-A-L
3 days ago
Pretty much the same back then but shame the number of immigrants aren’t.

@neilrobinson5115
2 days ago
Nothings changed in all this time,no integration,never has been.

@paulcarter6146
2 days ago
If you thought it was bad then look at it now

@danieloliver4558
5 days ago
I think this may be from an NF election broadcast. I do recognize it.
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
Did you spot nick griffin?

@marlowwhite7163
4 days ago (edited)
Wow the moaning goes that back after the interview the all went to Gibraltar parties

@user-qc8vo4jh6q
4 days ago
if these people come back today these people would faint

@highcompressionhead7940
4 days ago
We were never asked.

@barriewebster2902
15 hours ago
OMG What would these people think of it now???

@barrybradshaw675
3 days ago
How all what they say has come to fruition

@awayinaranger1301
1 day ago
Bradford was lost long ago…

@Sharpy-Staunch
4 days ago
Crazy this was going on 50 years ago , if you look at Bradford now it’s spot the white person and the whole of the UK will be the same in the next 50 years I’m glad I won’t be here to see it unless I live to be over 100 years old

@maltesetony9030
3 days ago
I miss this sort of pig-headed racism, I really do.
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@user-qp6vg9ho8u
5 days ago
Back when people had balls

@torque8899
3 days ago
Imagine if we’d have listened

@sonicboove4865
3 days ago
Its the same song 50 years later, nothings changed…

@terencelovell4735
4 days ago
DEMOCRACY IN NAME ONLY

@alimohammedabd
3 days ago
I didn’t think it was going on as long as that.

@_wasp______4450
2 days ago
and look at Bradford now, dont need to say anything more

@user-dc7sx3sk3k
4 days ago (edited)
still not integrated, the streets are scruffy, should have asked the British public….there will be trouble ahead

@tacituskilgore2851
3 days ago
See with other countries I would understand,but Britain gets no pity, this is the pendulum swinging back after you set it in motion with all the empire building, well now in 2024 your righteous Karma is upon you. Enjoy

@edinamckeown3161
4 days ago
Bloody 1000000 worse now…Too Dam late now.

@andyw30sey6
13 hours ago
Bradistan not Bradford… imagine these people seen the state of the UK now lol

@Gooner-1971
3 days ago
We don’t like it….

@ansonmalchat
16 hours ago
Agree with most of the comments but what difference did it make.
Bradford…ha, are there any white people living in that town
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@KP-bc2wt
2 days ago
Happy index conduction with Poland and rest of immigrants taking places

@anti-anything
3 days ago
Look at Southall now, it’s basically India hahaha
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@bobstar6837
3 days ago
Spitting facts
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@taztoon3387
4 days ago
What would these people say if they saw the country now they would probably have a heart attack.

@juanhunglow2220
4 days ago
Southall a town?? How long ago was that

@imnottellingyoumyname3050
3 days ago
“tragedy for towns like southall”.
Go to southall now and tell him he was wrong.

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@chadtheimpaler_
3 days ago
Bro I live near Southall.
It’s a fucking tragedy
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@alexheim7361
4 days ago
What would these people say now in 2024

@ant7936
4 days ago
Not really the same.
You wouldn’t be allowed to be so honest now.

@stevedowdeswell139
3 days ago
Bloody depressing!

@BigSteve1965
2 days ago
But you all keep standing for it?!!

@WalkOnAlwaysBelieve
14 hours ago
I agree with everything they are saying

@chubbygallasso
2 days ago
We should have listened.

@thadonis3516
4 days ago
1:24 “Oh you are awful…But I like you!”.. slap

@kennethmaley2443
4 days ago (edited)
if you didn’t know what year this was you would think its now.

@jackoboyle7749
3 days ago
Don’t u love it in documentaries when a European Journalist goes to a Middle Eastern country and details all the barbaric things their empire did.
You never see a Muslim author go to Spain and recount the brutal empire building of the ummayad caliphate. No he stands there getting teary eyed analysing some hashish pipe. I’m proud of England. Yes it’s made awful decisions but every luxury we have today is due to the toil of those before and to that I say rule Britannia

@BustingNUTS
3 days ago
Now it’s just mohamads everywhere
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@user-mc1yd9bp5x
3 days ago
Bot
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@Sarah-ud9ce
7 hours ago
And now we rule the government too

@redlinetelevision
4 days ago
We lost ww2
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@mahnamahna1669
5 days ago
2:18 She is complaining about the British invaders fighting in Ireland while also complaining about being invaded, oh the irony!

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@imperatorscotorum6334
5 days ago
I don’t see any irony. Clearly she would rather the British soldiers be defending Britain instead of being in Ireland

@mahnamahna1669
5 days ago
@imperatorscotorum6334 She never said that.

@nathandurant2825
4 days ago
I wonder why no-one wants to integrate with the 1st guy

@deathmachine808
17 hours ago
What are the numbers in southall today I wonder?

@bawasuzuki5966
2 days ago
Enoch had said it
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@dazd8306
1 day ago
Prophetic
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@northernking2604
4 days ago
What about all those indian, caribbean and african soldiers who fought and died in the british army should they be shown the door also?

@Rosebud100
2 days ago
If only they had known!

@jackobean3
3 days ago
And they weren’t wrong

@colinstevens6837
3 days ago
the population was only 50m as well in the 50s

@markstorer7204
3 days ago
Same shit 50yrs on…..we will end up a muslim sharia country iny children’s lifetime….so sad..

@gamedog1snapper
4 days ago
Britain has sunk its way to late! Look at who is in your parliament compare it to Pakistan or India’s government ask them how much they invest in inclusion and diversity lol

@angelamary9493
20 hours ago
Look at the UK now ..

@patsyparisi2620
13 hours ago
Time to reverse

@davejones8612
2 days ago
How right they were.

@ANONYMOUS-wf9xy
4 hours ago
that shows that people didnt even want them like now and he was right about the ghettos and one imgraint is one too many

@siadali7673
13 hours ago
Diversity rocks

@andrewrussell5944
1 day ago
They are so right

@dazzothegreat
3 days ago
And look here we are now Thank you NO 10 you destroyed your own country

@wendyholland2339
4 days ago
Southall was lovely in the 70s what a shit hole

@oliviermichels2417
3 days ago
this happened in whole Europe

@jakinfoto1
2 days ago
Fascinating clip…!
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@deborahwheatley1970
4 days ago (edited)
If people intergrated to the british way of life and we had only let in foreign people that make our country a better place to live, work and respect our way of life it wouldnt be such a problem.
As for people saying ridiculous comments such as “well now you know how the native americans and the aboriginals felt” its not the same at all, all those years ago our ancestors actually thought they were doing good by spreading the word of Christianity and in there words saving the savages by converting them to Christians. All the past murder and enslavement that we know about today in our eyes is appalling but it was a different time and our ancestors may have done bad but they also did a lot of good for our country and we just cant compare that time to now. We dont live in those times any more we are a civilised society and the ordinary working class people of britain have a right to be proud and love there country just as other countrys do. Also we are not all just immigrants as some people like to think, there were and still are in wales and Cornwall the Celts then the Angles, saxons and Jutes, we decend from tribes. That is our DNA.

@vincentl.9469
4 days ago (edited)
Sounds familiar !! I notice people were much smarter back then

@samanthahardy9903
3 days ago
Southall now is mainly an asian area.
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@user-mc1yd9bp5x
3 days ago
It’s become India
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
Did anyone spot BNP maestro Nick Griffin there

@Dylanesque
2 days ago (edited)
@2:10 woman wants to live with her own kind.
The human race, despite religious disciplines and skin tones, we’re all part of the same human race.
What other kind is there?

@robertwilliams2323
1 day ago
I see nothing has changed.

@Un-Woke
4 days ago
Not rivers of blood…oceans!

@Robby334
4 days ago
It was forecasted but who listened?

@mogenvonbogel7342
5 days ago
Significantly worse now

@stanandollie7041
2 days ago
Brilliant!

@pekablu
1 day ago
Lol that women said her own ppl are fighting in Ireland against (other white ppl)while she here being moved but unfortunately the British empire was rampant n went in other lands and took n then have to appease foreign relations, hence why so many different nations are in England..tbh government are sneaky,if the let us know we wouldn’t be so angry while seeing g the infrastructure break

@davidnavratil5349
2 days ago
The only thing that has changed is I am here now too

@richardcollins1371
3 days ago
Turned out true.

@thomasbrookes2266
3 days ago
somebody somewhere and somehow was making money out of this immigation buisness ,, and i,ll bet that what it was

@Urge38
5 days ago
All the comments say the same thing. Shame, discrace, shouldn’t happen ete etc
Stop moaning and vote
Don’t just moan, do something about it
Reform all the way

@oliverqueen5883
2 days ago
“A tragedy for a town like Southall” have you seen Southall it’s vibrant but very much Asian too

@maximumentropyfilmservices2967
5 days ago
Who is doing this to us exactly who are they????

@YouTubecanfuckagoat
5 days ago
Yeah. Ignored them.

@df289
5 days ago
Sounds like Ireland today!
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@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
There are tens of millions of Irish in Australasia and north America who are yet to be repatriated to Ireland. Once they are then Ireland can’t start getting rid of the “undesirables”

@wendynicholls6231
4 days ago
It was what they were always gonna do in the beginning

@Me-ll4ig
1 day ago
This could be 2024

@keithwigley1256
4 days ago
Humm ..We are all immigrants…there is not one of these people here on video that I would want to live beside…..

@boudika100
5 days ago
That was then….they werent wrong were they
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@phina8392
4 days ago
Joking aside I thought that was Sean Connery..

@rosaa4630
3 days ago
Some of these people speaking are probably dead now but those who may still be here what will they be thinking about how things are now,each and every one of them are so right about everything the saying,but as lot can’t even say anything anymore without getting arrested but what I will say is that the human rights laws need changing because of according to them if says we do have a right to free speech.

@hughmcbeath5463
5 days ago
And thats our ancestors

@JimTimber
4 days ago
..and now the old ship has fucking sunk !!

@daisybee5943
3 days ago
Do these people understand that britian was in the countries of the immigrant. And what the British did to the natives. Now you can get a taste of your own medicine.

@mazzoanV2
3 days ago
And after all of that all you’s have managed to achieve is empty supermarket shelves and a higher cost of fuel.

@steveforster3420
3 days ago
Imagine a hacker hacked msm and had their stuff along with Charlie chaplins dictator speech on loop be awesome

@adnanmahmood1014
3 days ago
these “past” folks should have changed with the time. Obviously people are educating themselves to prove themselves better. These peeps should have learned how to polish a car, learn on how to make a shirt or a blouse and you know learn how to cook. Duh you have to move with the times.

@sullyx5142
8 hours ago
The chicken comes home to roost

@uxm4life94
3 days ago
Can any of you modern day right wingers explain how you can be anti immigration and pro Zionism at the same time without being a hypocrite?

Joe Marsh
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@WelshNationalistJoe
3 days ago
None of us are pro zionist
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@pastorbri
2 days ago
Gosh how sad…..racism doesn’t change.

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@pastorbri
1 day ago
@prince3122 No it is racist. If u voted brexit you made the situation worse.

@pastorbri
1 day ago
@prince3122 old enough to know racism is wrong

@pastorbri
1 day ago
@prince3122 do some research, we are not even that big in immigration, I think we are the 15th biggest…..I want kids to support people fleeing danger, not hate them or support hate as u do. When you move out u will understand.

@welshcelt9406
5 days ago
Joe any sign of Protesters at Llantwit Major?

@TerenceF88
3 days ago
Christians out everyone else in.

@101brydon
3 days ago
Its called Cultural enshitment

@jasonmeehan1269
4 days ago
Leo the Langer Varadkar and Martin have never seen this video.

@vanshookme6531
6 hours ago
The thing is it’s all well and good moaning about ethnic minorities (and thats what they are at 18% including asians, afro Caribbean and jewish etc). The state of the country cant be scapegoated on such a tiny percentage. 82% are white in the UK and thats of TODAYS date, it will have been a lot smaller when this video was filmed. Asia (china, India, Vietnam, Indonesia etc) will be 2/3 of the engine for the future growth of the world economy and North America and Europe will only account for 1/4 so if we want to be included in that growth the UK majority need to adjust their attitude towards people of other ethnicities or otherwise it will not leave us in good stead.This distain for other ethnicities will damage the UKs standing on the global stage and it will become smaller and less important as a result. The UK is the 6th or 7th biggest economy in the world. If you think things are bad now just imagine how bad it will get if these rising superpowers apply the boot to our throats because we are all racist and think we are better than them. Lets face the winds of change with some dignity and try to benefit from it by promoting unity, peace and harmony as human beings not individual tribes.

@madmuffinz
3 days ago
where my green people at

@Dbz-yo5ct
3 days ago
I never knew Southall in west London was filled with white people lol it’s basically a mini India town now. Nothing wrong with that

@tankthelord1178
3 days ago
All part of the plan.

@michaelmarron8441
5 days ago (edited)
3:00 An ex-SAS man ??
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@jonpearse6465
13 hours ago
The guy at 3:29 is 100% the Yorkshire ripper.

@SeanScot36
5 days ago
They’re rabid.

@nicolasrobacinni4831
5 days ago
R.I.P UK

@quadrant2012
4 days ago
It’s the green ones I don’t trust

@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
I was born 50 years ago!

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@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
Born here doesn’t give you a right to settle here. It’s a privilege, not a right

@KOKINGWAYNE
2 days ago
@englishpatriot9464 Disagree were your born And Bred, is where your from. Simple!

@englishpatriot9464
2 days ago
@KOKINGWAYNE your heritage doesn’t change though. You’re still Jamaican, who is born In Britain as a citizen

@Cris-wy9dv
3 days ago
neither did the people you colonised

@benhurley8063
5 days ago
Oh how times have changed
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@goodebening6564
3 days ago (edited)
When our own country is being invaded she said
Doesn’t feel good does it… atleast they didnt come with guns and ships ,destruction and death and slavery jobs like a certain people did

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@goodebening6564
3 days ago
@Mikejjj and Britain were the best, maybe ever and their crimes are causing problems to this day let alone 60 years ago

@goodebening6564
3 days ago
@Mikejjj yeah its not a compliment to be best at evil deeds

@goodebening6564
3 days ago
@Mikejjj i was talking about the goong around the world and stuff like i said before.

@goodebening6564
3 days ago
@Mikejjj everyone does not do that and especially to that kind of evilness and brutality

@TheLillipuss
2 days ago
1:36 it would be interesting to find out where her 7th generation is from?

@mattdiamand3374
5 days ago
Windrush a roaring success

@keithhughes4268
4 days ago
We have the same problem in Australia

@connorlumb90
3 days ago
And yet I wonder how many of you are going out combating these pro hamas supporters I can say I do I’m sick of people talking about this but yet they isn’t enough of us out on the streets make a bloody difference stop talking on the media side of things we need numbers on the street up and down the country every weekend they need to be thousands of us in every major city in the UK until stuff change we all have had family members that fought in WW2 now we need to do something for them get your arses off the sofas and do something

@GryphLane
3 days ago
And still just as wrong as they were then

1 reply

@galegrazutis964
2 days ago
ARE YOU FOR REAL! What do they bring but crime and depends on the task!!??
1

@ted5669
5 days ago (edited)
They’d have kittens in 2024!!!

@elvishards8161
4 days ago
Soo true,n now look at this country

@Prodrive1
5 days ago
Imagine 2074!!
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1 reply

@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
Yep, look at the projections and the birth rates by ethnicities

@janicelee9709
3 days ago
Nobody listened…

@WilliamYoung-in5pp
5 days ago
It’s like watching a reapeat

@leomills4198
4 days ago
Leopard never change there spots

@chriswinrow1483
4 days ago
Spot on

@juliemaddern
3 days ago
spot on

@MbisonBalrog
2 days ago
So it all started back then. Shit what these people be saying today?

@ZOJP
3 days ago
This is hilarious , you didnt ask for people from other countries to come to england, but it was the queen an the goverment that braught my ancestors here, an that women whi mention the lads at war in ireland, that was also the UK partially trying to take over another ireland which bloodly couldve been her ancestors line. Just hilarious

@tyjakkty8668
5 days ago
yer our poxy governernemt wasnt listening to us then and they still aint listening to us now

@gerardmcnally
3 days ago
WOW.

@blokectomy4267
5 days ago
Karma
1

@guleet75
5 days ago
DAMN !
1

@davidcampbell3642
5 days ago
What a bunch of racists we were. Thank god times have changed.
1

@DIFESA_RAZZA_BIANCA
5 days ago
You should have allied with the Austrian painter ! Now you pay the price

1 reply

@user-em4dx6sg7y
5 days ago
The Austrian painter got too greedy for his little boots. He wanted too much control. That was the issue. Even good ole queen Liz used to give nartsee salutes as a young woman in her backgarten

@sylviataylor23
5 days ago
Omg did we never learn stop imagination we can’t cope

@user-xu2ix4pq5i
14 hours ago
trojan horses everywhere

@ChubbyChecker182
5 days ago
Southall…. blimey…

@tariqmahmood6497
1 day ago
Did the English integrate with the natives in India, no,

1 reply

@user-em4dx6sg7y
1 day ago
They didn’t need to as they ruled India.. subjugation

@jamil455
2 days ago
Colonisers getting colonised
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@Lord72969
4 days ago
Nothing changes

@Wolfquest_player1
4 days ago
EE by gum thing’s don’t change should have listened to Enoch

@washingtonsmith
2 days ago
Conditioning.

@bilpat5123
3 days ago
Imagine how countries felt under british colonialism

@felixfive8871
21 hours ago
I’m off to Bradford for a Tikka Masala

@guyverjedi
5 days ago (edited)
Bradistan it’s called now.

@Strider9655
3 days ago
@1:15
Still rings true

@jonathanleach2629
5 days ago
All stuck in the past

@ABB-bw6tc
3 days ago
Englistan
1

@jonathan461965
3 days ago
Sounds familiar

@shanewalsheire
5 days ago
Green?

@Dove353
3 days ago
A time ehrn there was men and women
Wonder what they think of the English today and its got nothjng to do with the immigrants lol

@fabianjoy12875
1 day ago
Yes invaded africa us Carribean

@shofiqulislam5721
5 days ago
2:20 was
1

@samquinn8278
2 days ago
Sad

@GeorgeHardy-jc9jc
2 days ago
We need tostart helping were own people befor we help any one else 80000a dayon imas could be spent on hospital and school s

@dv4662
3 days ago
Same comments as now.

@RiseAboveItAllnow100
2 days ago
Beautifully

@jimmyjohnson1990
21 hours ago
Green ?

@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210
4 days ago
Sounds familiar ….

@ABB-bw6tc
3 days ago
Gimme gimme gimme gimme

@Sonie28
4 days ago

@sayithowitis1
5 days ago
Who’s British.

2 replies

@user-zw4mz2gx5w
4 days ago
People who sold potato’s

@sayithowitis1
4 days ago
@user-zw4mz2gx5w no a dog born in a stable pretending to be a horse with a alliance to a country most have never lived in and definitely don’t want too.

@locusstandi8329
4 days ago
People started pouring in because centuries of Colonization and 2 WWs left the Colonies with nothing and even the British empire was left with nothing which is why it was disbanded and moved to USA. Blame your leaders kings and queens

@robroberts8502
2 days ago (edited)
All a.i. Can see it a mile off

@richardrowlands9113
4 days ago
Dew

@berserkirclaws107
4 days ago (edited)

@jonniegonads4566
5 days ago
Great videa. Could’ve been made yesterday.

@nickfba
2 days ago
Havent grown at at all then

@tuhituhitu
3 days ago (edited)
LOL that’s exactly I how others felt when their countries were colonised. GET OVER IT

@user-um8tx1dd6i
5 days ago

@chippyboy35
3 days ago
They were probably mostly talking about the Irish.

@whatsnottohike
2 days ago
Racists

@bullyinspace
3 days ago
Move to the Seychelles like me

@tomtom-fo4xo
5 days ago

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@CiaranKane-hf7iw
8 hours ago
2:20

@overman2306
2 days ago
Why did they the Germans?

@ateekkhan2821
6 hours ago
Now the polish nazis and chezk and albanians are spitting at dorothy and poor albert

1 reply

@mattb5427
3 hours ago
Concern troll detected.

@eyeball5578
2 days ago
Look at all the british people complaining

@ndcum
2 days ago
why the fk did britan
robbed other lands then?
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2 replies

@CJ-ix9hl
2 days ago
What goes around comes around.

@keifer7813
5 days ago
Alternative title: Bigots of Britain 50 years ago

1 reply

@markbeale7390
3 days ago
Think they’re in Spain or Portugal.

@notzadie1844
7 hours ago
Your side burns were the biggest tragedy. Lol

@gss6531
3 days ago
After doing it around the world, we’re some how immune to it?

@tariqmahmood6497
1 day ago
Know body told them to move out of areas that are now immigrant areas, you move out because you think you are better than us, all the pubs closed down because of you leaving FACT!!!!

@rudyboxing
6 hours ago
Go to spain

@kapohuncho4000
3 days ago
Concequenses of colonoilism

@hello150
2 days ago
Racists being racist.

@L8_80zbby
3 days ago
Too much rasicism here for me

2 replies

@davepowell7168
3 days ago

@user-mc1yd9bp5x
3 days ago
No it’s not racism, look at the state of England today
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[Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British movement, Patriotic Alternative, Deputy leader Laura Towler, Kenny Smith, Aunt Sally, and Natty review Charles Chapel’s book “Hammer of the Patriot”. The book, published by a new nationalist publisher, Claymore Books, is a practical guide for nationalists in debating anti-Whites in a confident, vigorous manner that results in dominance over opponents.

“The Hammer of the Patriot is a must have for any Nationalist living in the modern era. Debates between liberals and Nationalists are not about logic or finding the truth. They are struggles for dominance. They are shows of force. A verbal struggle where strength is the truth.

The purpose of this book is to equip Nationalists with the necessary tools to dominate these arguments and thereby legitimise our arguments in the eyes of the public and positively influence their opinion of nationalism.

Hammer of the Patriot provides clear guidance and notes which will help you navigate through well-worn liberal arguments and suggested Nationalist rebuttals, which will give you the confidence to tackle every sound bite imaginable.

Politics, society, race and many more topics are covered in this handbook on rhetorical counter-terrorism.“

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(122:37 mins)

Mark Collett: Hello everybody. And welcome to tonight’s stream. And, of course, it is the final Sunday of the month. So it is Book Club. And tonight we are reviewing Hammer of the Patriot, which is published by Claymore Books.

Now, we are live tonight on Odysee, which is our preferred platform. It allows you to stream, upload videos, take donations. It allows you to trade crypto. It allows you to support your favourite content creators. It’s basically like YouTube without the censorship. So please support us there.

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Now tonight’s stream lasts about two hours. We review the book. And then we take questions and answers from the audience. So if you would like to contribute to this stream, or if you’d like to contribute to my work you can contribute via going to Entropy. The Entropy link will be spammed in the chat throughout the night Entropy allows you to ask questions. If you ask a question which is unpaid we’ll answer them at the end. But if you ask a paid question, or send a donation, which is called a Superchat, we will read any question, or comment that is attached to a donation.

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Finally, if you want to get in touch with me, or send bank transfer. Or if you want to give feedback on this stream, or any other thing, you can write to me at mark@thefallofwesterman.com. And I nearly always reply unless you send me a circular. So don’t subscribe me to your newsletter if I haven’t asked to be subscribed. Because that will be deleted. But if it’s a genuine message, a cry for help, or a question, or some feedback, I will always reply. So you can write to me there.

Now I’m really looking forward to this particular Book Club. And the reason being is this book has been published by Claymore Books. And tonight we’ve got Kenny Smith with us.

I’m going to start by introducing him. Because Claymore Books is a nationalist book publisher based here in the United Kingdom. They’re going to be publishing a number of other books that relate to ideology and the struggle here in the UK. So this is really important. Because again, it’s another nationalist business. It’s another business that you can help build, it’s another business that is providing a service to nationalists. But in this case it’s not something you’d maybe use in your everyday life. It’s actually a nationalist service for nationalists, by nationalists. So very, very important.

And it is important that if you’re buying these books you buy them from a nationalist source. Obviously if the only place you can get them is Amazon, or Lulu, fair enough. But if you can buy them directly from the publisher that’s a lot better for publishers.

So Kenny, obviously we know you from your work with PA, and from your lifetime involvement in the nationalist cause, you’re now running Claymore Books. Would you like to tell us a little bit about Claymore Books and introduce yourself.

Kenny Smith: Hi Mark. Thank you very much. Yeah, I have been wondering to myself recently if I’m absolutely barking mad, because I have a day job, I’ve got a post in PA that takes up a lot of time I’ve also got a family. And I struggle to fit all these things in, quite often. But I decided to start a business as well! [chuckling] So yeah, I’m not quite sure it was the wisest move in the world. But it is something I’ve wanted the movement to have for a very long time.

You and I were involved in the BNP when it was at its height. It was massive! And a lot of money came through the movement, and it fell apart! And there’s nothing left to show. Not a printer. Not a business. Nothing!

And what we’re doing in PA is very, very different. We’re encouraging the nationalist movement to act like a proper community. To build businesses. To work with each other and support each other.

And for me one of the biggest aspects of that is education. I think we failed previously when we were part of the BNP. In that we got lots of people involved, to get involved with the politics. But we didn’t get the families involved like you did a normal community. And we didn’t educate them to stay in the struggle.

So I have been working with quite a lot of people behind the scenes. And we’ve got a fabulous team at Claymore. And we decided just to go for it! And start getting back into print books that are hard to get. As you’re aware, Amazon, and Lulu, and places like that, have shut down access to nationalist publishers.

So we just did, you know, really what Laura did with Grandma Towler’s. And decided:

“We’ll just do it ourselves!”

And so far it’s working well. I am seem to be pushed for time a lot. But we’ve got a fabulous team. Some folk in England, some folk in Wales, and a couple of guys in Scotland. And we’re all doing it for the good of the moment. And I’m really excited that you guys have chosen to review our first book tonight.

[5:02]

Mark Collett: Well it’s a real pleasure having you here Kenny. And, as I said, it’s always even better when we are pushing something that is a product, as I said, by nationalists for nationalists! It’s a business that primarily is geared to our needs, run by our people, for our people. So absolute pleasure to have you here tonight.

Now let’s go around the group. Obviously it has been the weekend. Different people would have been doing different things. And we’re going to start with Laura, because she is next to Kenny on the screen. Laura. How are you doing? Have you had a good weekend? And did you enjoy the book? And what was your first impression of it.

Laura Towler: Hi everyone. Yes I had a good weekend. Thank you and I did enjoy the book I actually bought this when it went live, when Claymore books went live and this book was out to support Kenny and his publishing company.

And I sped through! It’s quite a short book. It’s, how many pages? Let me see. 150 pages. So you can read it really fast. But it’s one of those that you just pick up when you want a response to something. So this book for anyone who’s not read it, it teaches you how to argue from a nationalist perspective.

But, rather than filling your head with a load of statistics, and a load of sort of like logical rebuttals, it teaches you how to use force. And it’s more of a battle for dominance, rather than a battle for facts. Obviously [chuckling] we have facts on our side as well.

But so, for example, do you remember when Tommy Robinson went on TV with Piers Morgan. And Piers Morgan were calling him all these names. And Tommy Robinson were like:

“Oh no! I’m not! No, I’m not! No I’m not!”

And he was defending himself. The audience are watching that and thinking to themselves:

“Well, Piers is in power there.”

So what this book does is it teaches you to be in power and put the other person on the back foot. So it doesn’t have things like:

“Well, actually that’s wrong. Because these are the correct statistics.”

They’re not the kind of arguments it has. It has stuff where you put your opponent in their place, and mock them, and humiliate them. And you can actually be quite brutal with them, as well. And it’s like a battle for dominance and power. And the idea is that if somebody’s watching, they’ll see you as a winner and want to side with you.

So it’s a really good book. You can just pick it up and, if you need an answer to a certain question there are some in there. And I like a lot of them there are some of them that I wouldn’t use. I think I’d say something else. But I do think there is something for everyone in there.

The only criticism I will have. And it’s not actually a criticism, it’s just by chance. But it is from an American perspective. So some of the responses they don’t really count for us. So, for example, when someone says:

“Oh! You invaded someone else’s land.”

And there were immigrants, or there weren’t natives there already. Obviously as an American you’d have a different response to a British person. So that’s the only criticism that have really, but 90 and 95 percent of the answers in there are relevant. So yeah, it’s really good. And I’ll pass back to you Mark.

Mark Collett: Well, our next guest on the panel tonight is the lovely Aunt Sally. But wait a second! Aunt Sally used to be the Queen of technical issues. But she now has a world-class, professional microphone and headset set up. So I’m hoping tonight we’re going to have the first night of absolutely perfect audio from Aunt Sally!

And take it away Aunt Sally! Did you enjoy the book? Did you have a good weekend. And what are your initial impressions?

[10:00]

Aunt Sally: Oh hello everybody. I did have a good weekend. Yes, it’s weird now I’ve got this microphone. I hope the sound’s coming through really well.

Laura Towler: It’s really good. It’s really clear.

Aunt Sally: Good. It’s like I still want to lean all over it like I used to before with the computer, when I was using the mic on the computer. I used to lean on it. And it was terrible. But yeah. Thank you for this Mark. I’ve forgotten the other question. Did I enjoy the book? Yeah, I really did, I really did. I’m too old, I’m not into debating. But there’s some really good sound bites in there for when you do come up against somebody. Like, I’ve had family members argue with me, and this has really good sound bites. So yeah, I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

Mark Collett: Okay. Absolutely wonderful audio there! As clear as a black bird song. And finally last, but certainly not least, is Natty. Did you have a good weekend my friend? What have you been up to? Did you enjoy the book? And what were your initial impressions?

Natty: Hi guys. Yes, I’ve had a fantastic weekend. Been at a rowing competition in Plymouth on Saturday, followed by, …

Mark Collett: Did you win?

Natty: Oh, sorry. What was that Mark?

Mark Collett: Did you win?

Natty: We didn’t, no. We got knocked out in the semi-finals unfortunately.

Mark Collett: Oh! Gutted mate! Gutted! I wouldn’t have put my money on you, anyway mate! I wouldn’t put my money on you anyway!

Natty: Well [chuckling] I wasn’t rowing, I was coxing. So that’s probably why we didn’t win. If I’d been in the boat, you know, big arms, big shoulders, we would have won.

Mark Collett: Yeah mate, you are impressively built. So why were you just hiding in there giving orders like, …

Natty: Unfortunately the way the crews had to be stacked. It was a mixed championship. So it was girls and boys in the boat, and we didn’t have any more experienced coxes. So I had to take the reins, unfortunately, but still, it was good fun. It was good fun. And it was a good weekend.

And I went to a festival last night. A local festival down here in Cornwall called Tunes in the Dunes, which was good fun. I didn’t drink too much. Had a good night, and gave some friends a lift home, so very, very, very non-degenerate weekend, thankfully.

As for the book, this is fantastic! We’ve covered a lot of books on the Book Review. And most of them have approached things from our perspective in different ways. I remember The Transgender Industrial Complex. I’m sure you can all remember that book. That was a slog to get through, although it was packed with information and various parts of the puzzle.

I’m looking up at my shelf now. We have Edward Dutton’s, Making Sense of Race. These are really educational books. So really help put things into place in your mind Hammer of the Patriot is almost like being back in secondary school. It’s like a textbook.

And for anyone who’s ever gonna run into debates, or it even thinks about getting into debates with lefties, or the kind of disingenuous people you find on the internet, even in the media, or politicians.

Just as an aside, some of the responses that Mark, yourself, and Laura, have put together. And some of the regional guys have done, to media attacks on PA, have included responses such as leave absolutely no room, no equivocating, they’re not rolling over like Laura said, Tommy Robinson style. And saying:

“No! No! We’re not racist! No! No! We’re not this! Stop! Stop!”

You know, full-on dominate, dominate the response! Leave no room for them to kind of pick things out and make you look weak. And this book is brilliant at giving you the tools in your mind to do that. So I can’t recommend it enough!

And if I’d had this book before I’d started making groipe calls, I’m sure they would have been at least some order of magnitude more effective, and more engaging to listen to. So unfortunately this book comes to me slightly too late. But I was happy to buy it as soon as Claymore Books got off the ground. So mine’s not review copy, either. I purchased this one, and I’m happy to do so and I recommend, before we finish, I recommend that everyone else does the same thing.

Mark Collett: Okay! Well, as, you know, I’m not really a reader. I’m not somebody who enjoys reading. I’m not somebody who can sit down for hours going through a book. And as in the past I have been quite critical of some of the longer books, and quite enjoyed some of the shorter books.

And I’m a fan of what is known as a “toilet book”! And a toilet book is not a book that should be flushed down the toilet! But is a book that you can, in fact, read on the toilet. Now that means you can pick it up, you can leaf through it. And you can pull out bits of information that you need, or read a couple of pages at a time, put it back down, and then pick it up a little bit later, without losing your place in the book, or forgetting where you are.

[15:08]

I remember I once wrote a Stephen King novel, called Needless Things, or something needless things. It was a needless things, as I didn’t finish it. It was called Needful Things. I did enjoy it. But the chapters were so long that it just took so much effort to read them. And if you tried to read a chapter in multiple parts and sleep on it, you’d kind of have to jump back a few pages to remember what you read.

And this is the very opposite of that this is like a handbook that you can pull little bits of information out of and if you wanted you could read it in one session, or you could read it in 100 little sessions, as I said, like a toilet book, and you wouldn’t lose anything either way. And that gets my thumbs up! That initially makes me very happy. So if you haven’t got a lot of time you can buy it. It’s quite a short book as well, which is good.

It’s not a book which is padded out with rubbish. It is all killer, no filler! This isn’t a book that’s just padded out with extra bits that you don’t need. And it’s one of the few books we’ve reviewed on book club that actually covers something that people always ask me.

Now when I started doing my long form shows. And by long form, I mean, the shows like This Week On The Alt-Right [TWOTAR], which then morphed into PWR. And I remember doing those shows. And I always get asked, still to this day, get asked:

“Mark, how do you present an argument? How is it best to talk to our people? How can we introduce our ideas to normies, in the best way possible?”

And that’s something that’s very important. And I think this book answers that question. This book helps anybody who is sat around a dinner table, … Now I would say this is primarily sort of about debates between liberals and nationalists. And that’s what it says on the back. It says:

“Debates between liberals and nationalism, not about logical finding the truth. Their struggles for dominance.”

But how many people do you know, or you might even be one of these people, who sat at a dinner table with friends, or relatives. And somebody at the table will pick an ideological fight with you. Somebody at the table will, I’m not going to say kick off, but start throwing insults at you, or jibes, or trying to rip you apart in front of the other guests.

Now this is the book you need to read to answer that person! This is the book that gives you an answer to everything. And it doesn’t give a dry answer. And by a dry answer. I mean, it doesn’t answer everything with oodles of statistics.

Now statistics are good, because they back up your point. But they’re very difficult to remember. You know, think back to being at school. If you went into an exam, and you had to remember sort of a list of percentages, or statistics, or pure facts, that’s very difficult to do. But remembering a theory, then applying that theory to an example that’s posed to you in an exam paper, is much, much easier.

And I felt that this book totally strays away from, well 13% [blacks] commit 56% [crime] kind of thing. And instead goes towards arguments that I would use. Short analogies, little quips. Things that you could say to people that would make everyone at the table laugh! That would make everyone at the table see your point of view. And without being rude you would actually manage to demean the person you’re arguing with. And that’s very important, because nationalists have spent years being very, very polite, and being on the defensive.

When I debate people I’m not particularly polite. And I’m not ever on the defensive. I’m always on the offensive! I’m always looking to silence them, to talk over them, to push our points. Because that’s how you win those debates.

And somebody so rightly said tonight when Tommy Robinson ended up with Piers Morgan, he allowed Piers Morgan to bully him. And I wouldn’t have done that. I would have come back with something cutting. I’d have come back on the attack.

And I’ve got to say this, because it’s topical at the moment and not everyone will like the guy. But at the moment in the news there’s a guy called Mick Lynch. I don’t know how many of you are sort of familiar with this guy. He is the head of, or the leader of the RMT Union. He’s doing the rounds at the moment justifying the rail strikes, because they’re causing a lot of pain for normal people. But he believes in his cause.

And I’m not saying whether his cause is right, or wrong. But he is a master at debating! He’s a master at humiliating people! And he completely humiliated Piers Morgan the other day, on Piers Morgan’s new show. To the point where Piers Morgan is basically blocking anyone on Twitter who’s mentioning it. Because everyone’s laughing at him and roasting him. And that’s the kind of thing that nationalists need to do.

And I’m going to say this and this will probably please Kenny more than anyone. It might please a few other people listening. But if Nick Griffin [chuckling] had read this book, or had this book before his disastrous Question Time performance, we could be living in a very different timeline now!

Because when nationalists go out to debate they have to be able to quip. They have to be on point. They have to be able to present their ideas in a very, very emotional way that pulls on people’s heart strings, gets people laughing at the person they’re debating with, and fundamentally connects on a level deeper than just dry facts and figures.

And as such, I’ve got to say, and I usually leave my recommendations to the end. I’d recommend this to anybody who has asked the question on PWR, or TWOTAR before it:

“Mark how do I sell our ideas to the public? How do I sell nationalism to people around the family dinner table?”

Well, this is how you sell it! It’s a phenomenal handbook. And if you want to get on the debate scene. If you want to be a public face of a nationalist movement, if this isn’t in your library, you’re doing yourself a disservice.

Now let’s go around the group and we’ll discuss the book in a little bit more detail. Kenny, obviously you are not Charles Chappelle, or Chapel, or however he pronounces it. Do you actually know the author?

[22:20]

Kenny Smith: No I don’t. He’s a French Canadian, who is in a bit of bother with the authorities over there at the moment. And has not basically responded to any attempts of communication. So I have got a section in The Forward, where we’re basically saying:

“Get in touch. We love your work. We’ve republished it, because it’s impossible to get. And we’ll sort you out if you’re wanting royalties from it.”

So yeah, we’re putting it back into service, because it is such a great book.

Charlie Big Potatoes was the first man to tell me about it. And said that he’s one of these newer guys in the movement who is fantastic at debates, as well. He’s taking on Muslims and lefties and all sorts, and always done fantastically well. And he does it with a smile on his face! He doesn’t lose his cool. And some of his put downs are fantastic!

And I was talking to him about it, and he recommended this book. And we could only get PDFs on the internet. So I tried for months reaching out to this fella, we knew who he was, and just had no response. But I think it may be to do with his legal bother. So maybe when that’s resolved he’ll get in touch.

But yeah, for me, this book does all these things. Debates as mean [words unclear] has said to me, one of the chaps from PA Talk, where we refine points among friends, this book teaches us that the enemy is there to be crushed! And that’s what we have to do!

Their arguments are repetitive. They are the same all the time. They look for victimhood status, they rely on emotions and feelings. And quite often mask their true agenda. And that usually gets unmasked when they’re dealing with us, because they become extremely hostile. And we can use that to our advantage. And this book is brilliant for teaching that.

And one point I’d like to pick up what Laura said earlier. Yes, this book does come from a North American perspective. I think the author’s French-Canadian. And when they talk about things like:

“Oh, you Americans, you stole the Indians’ land!”

We can still use that same argument, and that same idea, the rebuttals that are in this book. Because from a UK perspective, we get told about colonialism. We get told about:

“Oh you went to India and you stole the land! And you stole these resources! And you treated people abysmally!”

It’s all nonsense. But this book is more about teaching the methods of how to deal with these people. And that really they’re quite repetitive in their arguments. There is a pattern to it. And we just have to tailor our response to deal with that.

So there’s a lot of things in the book that do come from a North American perspective. They’ve got a different constitution from us. And the Right wing is very religious as well. And you see elements of that in the book. But it’s the way we deal with these things. And with the way we respond with these things, on the front foot. And quite often what I love is just it’s the combativeness of it! It’s being aggressive and standing up, just as you were saying.

And you had to go back to touch on that Question Time. That was one of the lowest points in the movement for me. And something with that if he had brought this approach, would have been absolutely fantastic! Because nationalism should promote dominance, should promote confidence, because what we’re saying is standing up for our people! We shouldn’t be cowed and apologizing for anything! And this book is brilliant.

[26:40]

Mark Collett: So I’m going to go around the group now and say, what was your favourite, like going through this, obviously some of the talking points you might know, some of you wouldn’t. What was your favourite talking point in this book? And we’ll start with you Laura.

Laura Towler: Oh gosh! I’m not sure if I have a favourite one. I’ll just read out some of the headings. So that the audience can get an idea of what’s covered. So there’s politics. So nationalism, democracy, freedom, capitalism, and Libertarianism, use of violence, and helping the Third World. And then we’ve also got things like feminism, religion, homosexuality. And then there’s a chapter called “other perversions”. And then there’s a race chapter. So racial differences, diversity, jews, White genocide, White pride. And then there’s a miscellaneous chapter at the back.

[Image] Table of Contents of an earlier version (V 1.3) of the book.

So it covers everything really! And they are topics that we talk about. So I think it was a good few months ago now that I read it. So I can’t remember which arguments come from this book and which ones were from other places. But any topic that you will get into a debate regarding as a nationalist, it’s covered in this book. So yeah, that’s how I’ll answer. I’ll pass it back.

Mark Collett: Okay. Natty over to you.

Natty: Yeah, I was going to let Sally go first. But I don’t really have a favourite rebuttal to a single argument.

But one of the best chapters, well. One of the best sections in here is the rebuttal to human rights. And it’s very topical at the moment, because in this country we’ve got the whole channel crossing illegal migrants in dinghies, pony show with the ensuing flights to Rwanda. But again, it’s just theatre. And some of the underpinning political arguments are focused around the human rights issue.

And then in America, which I know this book is kind of more geared towards, although it only shows in a very, very few areas, the whole Roe vs Wade retracting in the Supreme Court. Human rights, again just before I go into this. The rebuttals to these arguments. The arguments may be one sentence long, okay.

So for instance, if I just turn to a random page here:

“Argument: You’re being racist!”

That’s it. And then the rebuttal is maybe two sentences. So there’s a few rebuttals here that you could just use. Number one:

“Everyone’s racist! We all understand that there are different kinds of people, and we treat them differently. It’s just that some people are comfortable with that, and accept it as part of life. And others feel guilty and are in denial!”

That’s it! That’s an argument against you, and a rebuttal you can use. And there’s a couple more rebuttals in here.

The point is, for most of these subjects, it’s covered in such a way that you don’t have to know. The replies are instinctual. And with human rights, the whole human rights section of the book, it leans into the fact that it’s just who holds power. Human rights is just this invention by Europeans to ensure that we try and treat each other nicely, and decently.

[30:08]

And when you try and map it on to Africans, or South Americans, or people who have no concept of what our idea of human rights is, it just becomes a power struggle. A power game of those in power what you can impose on those who aren’t in power.

And to point that out to people, especially now. And for most of the topics, and most of the kind of 24-hour news cycle focuses around something that will involve the base argument about what we can do to each other, and what we can’t do to each other, due to human rights. It’s really good on just being able to take that stuff apart and rip into people who use it as a shield against policies that hurt White people, and hurt Europeans.

Mark Collett: Okay. Sally did you have any particular favourite parts of the book? Was there anything in the book that you thought was really sort of eye-opening for you in the way it was presented?

Aunt Sally: Yes. Definitely. I’ve got so many notes, because the others have read the book before. But I’ve read it this last week. And I’ve got so many notes on it.

But I think the chapter on society was my favourite. I’ve actually written that down and there’s so many notes just from that. But the feminists put downs I thought were really good. There’s one here:

“Women are oppressed by men.”

“You must really have contempt for women if you think they’re these fragile, spineless, children, who must be protected from men by government regulations. And you really must have a dark view of men if you think they will conspire for thousands of years to keep women in servitude, while living with them, raising children with them, and growing old together! I think you’re a completely disconnected from reality! You seem to hold everyone in contempt!”

I like that one! Yeah. There’s so many I’ve got there.

Natty: It’s funny isn’t it? Because loads of these responses, quite a few of them, have this kind of humourous edge to them as well. And if you think about, I mean because I know that these people as well. If you think about the way Charlie Big Potatoes argues, or the Ayatollah, or even Mark, and Laura, they’ve got slightly different styles.

But you can see where the strengths are. And Charlie’s ability to laugh off quite pointed, or attacking questions. Or the Ayatollah’s aggressiveness! When he goes on someone who’s just being like rabidly anti-White.

So it’s having that aggressive response that makes someone feel really stupid! When you read that in the responses, is like humourous as well as enjoyable to listen to.

Aunt Sally: Yeah. I mean, there was another one as well, I really liked. Well, I can’t find him.

Natty: Well, I’ll just say while you’re looking for it. I know Mark you said about the dining room table and maybe someone attacking you for your nationalist beliefs, while you’re sitting around the table. But most of us will have been, like you said, most of us would have been in that situation.

But even when you’re like a school kid you could probably remember a time when there was a group of you standing around. And maybe you’re getting roasted for something, or maybe you’re the one doing the roasting. And you feel so small, and you’re getting like laughed at, whatever it is. And it doesn’t have to be, I’m not saying it’s like a bullying thing. But you’re being dominated verbally for whatever reason.

The ability to kind of change it around and then bring the audience back onto your side, this is what that book is about! Because it’s not so much about educating whoever you’re arguing with. The book recognizes that it’s going to be someone who’s arguing with you in bad faith, and is attempting to make you look bad, make you look like an evil person, and to attach all these labels to you.

The idea is to just bring whoever’s listening onto your side, and make them look stupid! And make them look foolish! Make them look evil! And everything that they’re trying to you is just put it right back on to them. Like you said, without the use of statistics, or graphs, or studies, the famous Vaush and Destiny claims:

“Have you got a study to back that up? Have you got a study to back that up?”

Well, it just bypasses all of that.

So it’s an enjoyable thing to read. Like I said, it’s a textbook to have this on hand if you were going to go into a Telegram debate. Even if you were just to go into oneness practice, look at some of the arguments in there, and say, one of the Tommy Robinson chats, or maybe the Reverend Simon Sideways’ chat. And then just go through and formulate and look through this book and have a look the kind of things you would respond to.

[35:02]

Aunt Sally: I found that one that I was just saying:

“Good and bad depends on culture. You’re just Eurocentrist!”

And rebuttal is:

“I judge things according to European values, European ethics, and European culture! You can call that Eurocentrist, if you want. What values are you using to judge the world? Chinese Taoism? The tribal laws of the Bantu? We better settle this before moving on.”

And then there’s a reply:

“I’m a humanist. I don’t require Eurocentric views.”

That would be their reply. And yours is, I like this:

“Humanism is the most European ideology there is! Good luck finding humanists in the jungles of the Congo, or mountains of Peru!”

I like that one. Yeah, I’ve got so many notes on it. And you have to memorize these things I’m gonna read this book over, and over, again. And probably highlight the most common things. Like the common one, which is:

“There’s good and bad in all races.”

And all that sort of thing. Just work work my way through the book and save the best responses, and adapt them to my own.

Kenny Smith: I think that’s the nail on the head Sally. The key is not just to memorize word for word what’s in these rebuttals, it’s to tailor them to your own needs, in their own unique circumstances, depending who you’re debating with.

My personal favourite from the whole book is quite early on. But where it says that the argument is:

“The whole world is becoming multi-ethnic. It’s the future! Get used to it!”

And the rebuttal is:

“The world is not becoming multi-ethnic! White countries are becoming multi-ethnic, and nowhere but White countries! And the average White person is intelligent enough to know that they have been displaced by these immigrants. Only degenerate weaklings would embrace that, and get used to it!”

I absolutely love that! And I used that oh dozens of times on Twitter before I finally got banned. And pretty much every time they responded to, I mean, I was putting in things like that like “limp wristed, degenerate, weakling”, and things like that [chuckling]. And that ended up is what they would focus on. So they would attempt to change the debate away from the fact that it’s only in White countries and pick on that, I would call them weak. And I said:

“No, never mind how weak you are, you tell me that this is happening in black countries, or Asian countries?”

And the book is full of wee devastating things like that. But it’s tailoring them to your own needs and depending on who you’re debating with that’s the key. Learn the rules, learn the pattern. And then do what suits you.

Natty: Can I just expand, just very quickly, just cap off what you were saying there Kenny?

Mark Collett: You and Sally, go for it! You sound like you’ve both got loads of notes. I mean, I find it fascinating hearing what you said. Because obviously I spend a lot of time doing these big debates and things like that. And Laura does as well. So hearing from people who don’t engage in that kind of thing. And what you found off the book is fascinating. So both of you please carry on.

Natty: Yeah, I just wanted to just Mark what Kenny said there. This is from the conclusion. And the conclusion is only, a page and a half. It says, and this is something that we should all remember. I mean, you can have this book, or not have this book. But this is something that should be instilled into anyone who’s even interested in this subject, like Kenny was saying:

“Make no mistake! The overwhelming majority of Whites are concerned about the waves of hostile immigrants flooding into their country. They are also horrified at the degeneracy being promoted on television and in movies. They are silent, because they believe they are alone and isolated. But that is where we come in.”

And then it goes on from there. But that’s just to kind of say what you’re saying there Kenny is true. We’re not alone, but people feel isolated. So to be able to say this stuff, and say it proudly, clearly, with purpose, whilst at the same time making making our enemies look stupid, is no small thing!

Aunt Sally: There’s another one there, as well, that I really liked. This is really common one:

“Diversity is our strength!”

And the rebuttal is:

“Which group is stronger? A group of strangers speaking different languages, or a close-knit family?”

You can’t argue. Who can argue with that?

Natty: That’s even smaller. That’s an even shorter response than the normal one.

Aunt Sally: That’s my note. So that’s probably me abbreviating it.

Natty: No the usual response to that is about the football team. And if you’ve got a football team where everyone’s doing their own thing, versus a football team where they’re all working together, who’s gonna who’s gonna win? But the response in here is even shorter, and more succinct, more appropriate.

[39:58]

Aunt Sally: Yeah. I mean, reading the book I found myself wondering if you’d written the book, Mark. And if you and Laura had written the book, because it’s a definite masculine style of debating in the book. When Laura debates, and I watch all your debates, you are Laura, what’s it? You call her a hammer in a sock, a sledgehammer in a sock. Because she comes out, …

Mark Collett: A lead hammer in a silk glove [chuckling]! It’s a snooker ball in a sock, Aunt Sally!

Natty: [Laughter] Sorry!

Natty: You’ll be in a prison beating with a snooker ball in a sock!

Aunt Sally: What was I thinking? I think I watched the film Scum a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, I forgot what I was gonna say now. But when Laura debates you come out with you have these facts and figures in your head to throw at them. It’s a more feminine way I think of doing it is having the facts and figures, because no one can argue with them. Whereas Mark you are quite aggressive when you debate.

But I like the gentle path, the gentle way that Laura does it. But I’d love to see that sort of book written by you too. And that’s why I kept wondering, like what would Laura say? And what would Mark say to this sort of, …?

Mark Collett: Yeah, well there’s one thing I really liked in the book. My favourite was this. It says:

“Argument: If something is done between two consenting adults is none of society’s business.”

“Rebuttal: If two consenting adults make a campfire in the privacy of their own bedroom, it’ll definitely be society’s business when the house burns down, and damages the surrounding buildings. People these days have no sense of responsibility. Acts have consequences!”

“Reply: What consequence does it have if two people do S&M stuff?”

“Rebuttal: People with mental problems need to seek help, if they don’t, it will be a bad influence on society!”

Now I found that really humourous. And I think the campfire analogy is pretty funny! And I think that’s the kind of thing that I like, because when you get people laughing, it’s hard to dislike somebody, who makes you laugh.

And I remember watching a debate. I actually forget what the guy’s name was. And I feel really bad saying that now, because he’s a really hilarious guy. He used to help nationalists with their IT work. And he’s got a funny name which is sort of an abbreviation of a name. He’s a well-known hacker, and internet trouble causer. I forget his name. It’ll come back to me. He had a really interesting YouTube channel at one point which has now been taken down.

And I remember seeing him in this debate on whether you should wrap your children in cotton wool. And he was coming out with stuff. And it was just so funny, everyone was laughing! And the people that were trying to belittle him then, couldn’t! Because the audience was just thought he was so funny. That from that point, they couldn’t help but like him.

And I think that has a real level of effectiveness. And laughter is sometimes underestimated. And this did give me a few chuckles during reading it. And I think that is something that is really important.

[43:26]

Laura Towler: Mark did you read this before you and I debated those two young American lads?

Mark Collett: Oh, no, no! That night, …

Laura Towler: Because you were brutal that night!

Mark Collett: I was brutal. And I’ve got to say they were two absolute divs. And the things they were saying, … What they were trying to do was bring an argument down to a level where it can’t be won. So we would say something like:

“Look, when it comes down to it, if you grow your population endlessly there is going to be a greater fight for resources.”

There’s going to be a greater level of scarcity. And, as you increase scarcity prices always rise. And obviously we’ve seen that in the UK. We’ve seen a huge rise in house prices as the population booms. I mean, last year alone, Boris Johnson let in a million people!

Well, if you’re letting in a million people the argument is some of them will leave. Well they might do. But while they’re living here they’re all going to need a place to live. Well, if every year a million extra people are needing places to live in the UK, that is going to cause a massive scarcity of rental properties, of land, of houses on the housing market. And all of that will drive prices up. That’s a common sense argument.

So when somebody comes back at you with:

“Oh, do you have a learnt report from an anti-White university to back up that idea?”

The answer is not to get bogged down in that. That’s just to then insult the person, belittle them, and call them out for being an idiot.

Because, if you actually go down their road and start looking for a learnt report from Finkelstein and Shekelberg, that backs up the common sense argument, pro tip! There isn’t going to be one! And they will keep saying things like:

“Hey! We’ve got a peer-reviewed paper that backs our ideas up!”

Well yeah, Dr Shekelberg has come up with this crazy idea that the more people living in an area, actually, that reduces house prices, because, reasons! And then he passes it to Mr Finkelstein, who peer reviews it, and says:

“You know what Shekelberg? I’ve never heard such a brilliant theory! House prices are pushed down the more people come into an area!”

Well, that’s your peer-reviewed paper. It’s written by somebody, and reviewed by somebody, who have an activistic hatred for people of European descent! And once you’re in that playpen, once you’re in that ring, of arguing based on who can find the most peer-reviewed papers from anti-White institutions that back up anti-White ideas, well, no nationalists winning that argument! It’s impossible to win that argument!

Because the argument is stacked against you, because there’s nobody at university who agrees with us. Well there might be a couple of people. But they’re certainly not writing papers. And if they did they’d never achieve peer-reviewed status. Because they’d be putting forward talking points that the people who run the universities don’t want to talk about! And that’s why I made the point during that debate, and a lot of people:

“Oh Mark! You weren’t professional! You didn’t have all you didn’t have all your peer-reviewed papers there!”

Well, that’s because there isn’t any. And I did say during that these are the kind of things where if I say:

“Grass is green.”

There will be somebody at this university who says:

“No! It’s blue!”

And they’ll find somebody to back it up. They’ll say.:

“Yeah, it’s blue.”

And I’ll sit there saying:

“Well, I can see it’s green. Everyone can see it’s green. This is observable to anyone. It’s a common sense point, but the peer review papers say the opposite!”

And that’s why this book’s important, because it doesn’t get bogged down in that naval gazing! Where you’re actually looking for something that you’ll never find, because no nationalist will ever ever find one of these peer-reviewed papers that backs up their point.

Because the people writing them hate us! And they’re not real science! They’re not real academia! Because academia and science has now been completely captured by people who are pushing an agenda. So when the science, or the academia, doesn’t back up their feelings, and their political viewpoint, it just gets absolutely discarded.

That’s why you’ve got entire sections of science such as race and IQ, the link between IQ and civilizational development, that have just been developed over, you know, decades, or centuries, but have just been completely thrown aside within a short number of years, because they don’t fit the current political views of those running institutions. So again, that’s why I find this book so interesting.

And also I do kind of like being brutal to people when I debate them. And the reason I like being brutal, and just humiliating them, and getting the audience laughing, is because when you look at Piers Morgan, and people like that, usually they do win their debates.

And how do they win them? Well they don’t always win them by putting over the best talking points. They win them by getting their opponents on the back foot. And unfortunately I’ve seen numerous nationalist leaders get to the highest pinnacle of TV representation, whether that be GMTV in the morning, or Question Time in the evening, and completely crack!

Because instead of coming out swinging, they go on the defensive. Now ultimately you’re never, ever, going to win a fight by putting up your hands and hoping to block every blow coming in, or dodge every blow coming in. The only way you win a fight is by landing blows yourself. And every nationalist that has been schooled in debate. And they’ve been just they’ve been schooled by somebody who’s told them:

“You will win by being the nice guy, and going out there and being meek and mild and playing the victim, and being kicked around for 45 minutes.”

Well, that’s not the right kind of schooling. That’s bad advice! And this book gives the opposite it! Gives good advice. And I think it’s certainly got me laughing.

Aunt Sally, you said you’ve got loads of notes. So I do want to hear these notes, because in the past sometimes you haven’t been able to say all the things you’ve wanted to say due to technical issues. But tonight we have no technical issues.

Aunt Sally: Oh, I’m just looking at the moment. Hang on.

Kenny Smith: While Sally’s hunting, can I just say, Mark, you’d actually spot on there! I’ve heard for years “the truth will prevail” mantra. And it’s utter tripe! It doesn’t! You have to win and dominate the argument.

Mark Collett: Well, I remember seeing Nick Griffin on Question Time. And they kept asking him about the “Holocaust”. And he kept coming out and saying:

“Oh, I can’t say. I can’t say. If I say something about the “Holocaust” I could be extradited to Germany, I could be extradited to Germany.”

And he thought that was a good argument. So he had Jack Straw on the panel, who was the Home Secretary. Jack Straw said:

“I promise you. I give you my word, as Home Secretary, that you can say whatever you want for the next 45 minutes, and I will make sure you are not prosecuted. Tell us what you really think.”

Now that was a dangerous thing for Jack Straw to say, because Jack Straw was saying:

“Do as you please.”

But at that point, Griffin was exposed! Because he wasn’t saying, I’ll be extradited to Germany, I’ll be extradited to Germany, because he really thought he’d be extradited to Germany! He was saying that, because he didn’t want to answer the question. And Jack Straw gambled on the fact that Griffin didn’t want to answer the question. And when he gave him his assurance, and Griffin still didn’t answer the question, everyone burst into laughter! [garbled] Jack Straw said you can say whatever you want. [chuckling]

Well, I would have, … I think at that point I’d have taken my jacket off, rolled up my sleeves, and it had been 45 minutes of pure, [chuckling] unadulterated madness! That would have been clipped out and replayed on YouTube, Telegram, Gab, wherever, for eternity! Because I’d have gone to town. And, even if I felt I hadn’t been able to go to town, I would’ve thrown something to him. Such as:

“Well, if you believe in the ‘Holocaust’ so much, if you believe that six million people really were exterminated by the Nazis, why is it illegal to question this, because if it’s so true, why does the truth fear investigation? And why is everything else that’s happened throughout history, all the other mass murders, the tens of millions killed by communists in Eastern Europe, the tens of millions of Chinese killed under Chairman Mao, why do the killing fields of Cambodia, why are all of those things up for debate? Why are numbers constantly debated? But the ‘Holocaust’ is the one thing you can’t debate. What makes that so special?”

And you’d throw it back to them! You would, if you don’t want to answer a question, there’s always a way to throw it back, without directly answering. But obviously there’s so much to say on those things.

But Jack Straw got people laughing at him. And once people were laughing at him there was no come back. There was no way, there was no way to pull back from that.

Because once, … And just remember, what happens at school might seem to be something that’s a long time away, especially when you’re my age, I’m 41. You might think the classroom and being at school is a long time away. But people don’t actually change that much from school.

When you’re at school you act in a certain way. And you more, or less, act in an instinctive way you do things more instinctively. Now, as you get older, you still have those instincts but you bury them and you become slightly more polite. But in the right circumstances those instincts do come out.

If you remember in class when there was a guy humiliating another kid and everyone was laughing, once everyone was laughing at that kid there was no way he could make a comeback. Even if everything he was saying was right! Even what even if what was being done to him was unfair. Once the whole class was in fits of laughter at someone else, that someone else, the only way they could get out of that was wait till the bell rings and come back the next day and start again. Because everyone was giggling at them.

And that’s what happened on Question Time. Jack Straw gambled on making everybody laugh. But he also knew the psychology of people. That deep down we all have those instincts that we had as children. It’s just we bury them. And if you can bring them back to the surface. [chuckling] And you can get everyone acting in that sort of mob mentality, as they do at school, well at that point whoever’s on the beating, or on the receiving end of the beating, they’re absolutely done for! That is what you have to do.

And that’s why when I was debating those young lads, the audience were mainly people of Zoomer age. It was all Nick Fuentes audiences, on Nick Fuentes’s platform. And at the time that was the second most watched stream ever. And when it came to the vote at the end, who won the debate, me and Laura won 100%, because we got everyone laughing. Once they were laughing, there was no turning back the tide.

Laughter is an important thing. Facts and figures are also important to back up your argument. But they’re dry and boring! And normal people respond more to laughter and emotion than they do just tides of facts and figures.

Now Sally, have you got your notes, because I’m eager to hear them.

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Aunt Sally: Yeah, there are so many! It’s like which one do I pick? There’s one here. The argument is:

“Now we’re liberated from all those traditions, old traditions, we’re free. I don’t want to be constrained like we used to be. Our old European traditions and customs that have all gone.”

And the rebuttal:

“Our ancestors weren’t idiots! Those old traditions have been devised over thousands of years and we kept them, because they worked. The purpose of these traditions is to promote society in which people are safer and happier. The traditions protected us against our own childish inclinations. We threw it all away to get a little bit of fast living in our youth. And as a result our civilization is on the brink of destruction. Whilst the fast livers will be rotting in old folks homes, with no kids to support them, no spouses to share their old age. And no one but employees paid by the government to take care of them. What a mess.”

Yeah, I really like that one, because I’m in my early 60s, and I’m seeing it now of people that didn’t have children, or they were lousy parents, you know, fathers split up, and whatever. And didn’t bring up their children.

Now, they’re old and no one cares about them. They’re the ones that are in old folks home, and being abused, and god knows what. And it’s all because, really, if you track it back to our traditions, … When I was a child old people weren’t abandoned like they are now. So yeah, I really like that one. I don’t know what anyone else thought of that.

Natty: That’s the kind of argument made by someone who regrets maybe their decisions in life, like you say, ends up childless, drinking wine, surrounded by cats! For instance, right? Rather maybe as opposed to a Lefty, or a liberal, who’s making those kind of arguments. But it’s certainly true.

It’s right to point out, you know what if 50 years worth of change and the promotion, or even less, you know, 20 years, whatever it is. Five years. The heavy promotion of transgenderism, sodomy, homosexuality, single parenthood as just being a fine and equally acceptable way to raise children. It’s just having this terrible effect on society. And it to deny it, it’s just denying reality. I mean, who’s going to argue that:

“Well, now we can have a washing machine that’s connected to the internet.”

Well, isn’t that great, when families are falling apart, politics is this kind of just giant joke, where nobody feels like they’re represented, at all! And you think about the time my parents grew up. Like you say, Sal, where you could leave your door unlocked, even if you lived in certain parts of London that are now just complete, you know, multi-ethnic ghettos, that you wouldn’t want to step foot in, in daylight, let alone in the middle of the night.

That’s why we long to go back. And I think that argument and the rebuttal captures the essence of that.

But you think, maybe the people who lived before us were constrained in certain ways, in terms of their behaviour in society, in a way it affected society. Because the lack of the internet meant there would be, unless you wanted to be a hermit and a recluse, which some people were. I mean, to be sure, I know old people now who lived like that, and still live like that, surrounded by stacks of newspapers and train sets. And all the rest of it.

But you had to interact with people. And that interaction forced a kind of a social cohesion. And a kind of looking over what everyone else is doing. And if they started doing something that was passed out through generations as to be understood as something destructive, or would lead to destructive things for society, like Mark said, lighting a campfire in your bedroom, you would frown on that. And maybe there would be some tut-tutting from the ladies. And maybe the guys would say:

“Sort it out mate!”

And give him a nudge, or if he really got out of hand, you know, take him around the back of a pub and fill it in, or whatever. [chuckling] So there were these corrective measures that have just been completely thrown out in favour of:

“Do what you want!”

I mean, I don’t know if you guys are fans of the Simpsons. But there’s an episode on the Simpsons where this self-help guru turns up in Springfield and he’s on stage selling his latest book about how to be more happy and more successful. And he brings Bart up on stage. And he says:

“How did you come up with this amazing philosophy of life Bart?”

Bart says:

“I don’t know. I just do what I feel like.”

And the guy obviously sensing his opportunity, says:

“Do what you feel like! Man what a great slogan! Do what you feel like!”

And he has a whole town doing what they feel like. And in a matter of days, like there’s no police force anymore. The place is complete anarchy, and everything’s fallen apart!

And it seems like that’s just a microcosm of what’s happening in society, or certainly in the West today. Is this kind of “do what you feel like” attitude.

Mark Collett: Do, you know what I find really interesting about that? And I’ve got to throw this out, because I think it’s very important. When you actually look at where this “do what you feel like” started. It was actually a guy called Aleister Crowley. And I’m just looking up the quote. He was obviously an occultist, a satanist. And his law. I think it was something as:

“Do as what thout will. And let that be the whole law.”

And it was basically do whatever you wish, and do it as much as you want, …

Natty: Without anyone else, or anything, …

Mark Collett: Yeah. And basically, it’s quite interesting that this occultist, this man who lived a very debauched, and bizarre, and fundamentally oddball life. Who dabbled in black magic and all kinds of strange things. He’s sort of someone who really captured the imagination of a lot of artists, a lot of musicians, a lot of people in Hollywood, a lot of rock stars, specifically.

And his mantra has kind of fed in to the mindset of Western civilization. That we should just do whatever makes us happy.

But by doing so – and I wrote about this in my book – you become more animalistic, and less human by doing so.

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Natty: Of course! I mean, it flows, if you give in to your baser instinct that’s what animals do. I think there’s one in here. I don’t know what page it’s on. But it’s saying:

“If gays want to kiss in public, that’s fine. And some animals are homosexuals too.”

And the rebuttal is something like:

“Well dogs lick their balls in public, [chuckling] but you don’t go around licking your balls in public, or other people’s balls in public! Why would you aspire to be like an animal? Why would you use animalistic behaviour as your kind of defense?”

That’s one of the things that we were talking about. For thousands of years the strive to be better human beings and create better societies has been founded on moving away from animalistic tendencies, or controlling them to the point where they don’t become destructive.

And that’s not a bad thing. It sounds kind of stifling. But, in fact, it’s liberating to take on responsibility, and not give in to your base instinct. It makes you feel human. It makes you feel alive. The struggle against just living in a pit, and doing nothing, and, you know what people mean when they say “degeneracy”. Not giving into those kind of things, you know.

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I was going to say that on top of Aleister Crowley, before him there was in the Victorian times, there was, I think her name was Helena Blavatsky. And her protege which was Alice Bailey. And they were very much into all that Alistair Crowley crap, “do what they will”. But I think they were before him. Yeah, of course, they were Victorian.

But yeah, they were part of this subversion, definitely. I think from that sort of crowd, the Fabian Society and all that lot. And they probably targeted the famous people of their day that we were on the last book club. The rock stars of their time, the Victorian times. I forget their names. The people that we did the last Book Club. You put his picture up, Natty. What was his name?

Mark Collett: Oh God! Yeah. We were talking about the Madar [sp]

Aunt Sally: Those people, the poets, and the painters, and those people of their time.

Natty: Wyndham Lewis.

Aunt Sally: Yeah, Wyndham Lewis. They were undermined by the likes of Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky. So it’s been going on for centuries really, this subversion of society.

And talking about that there was another argument in the book I really liked, about having children. Because my generation is the one, … I was young in the 80s. I was a child back then in the 80s. And we were the ones, it was very confusing, because we were being, … The propaganda was that we were overpopulating the planet. And I had three children, and I felt really guilty that I had three children, you know. Little did I know. And you had three children.

And you were told about all these starving kids everywhere. Literally, it was non-stop starving kids all over the world! And you wanted to help them. And so you didn’t have any. Three was pushing. Having two, one, too many as according to the propaganda. But here it says in the book under the society thing:

“Who cares if we have fewer children. The earth is overpopulated anyway.”

And the rebuttal is:

“Only Whites who are having fewer children. And it’s only non-White countries that are overpopulated. Is Canada overpopulated? Is Australia overpopulated? Are the United States overpopulated? No we’re fine. And if you look at if you took out the non-Whites out of Europe they’d be fine too. The other races are multiplying at an incredible rate. And nothing we can do will change that. The only thing we can change is we will we be part of the future world?”

So yeah, I like that. I wish I’d read that when I was 25.

Kenny Smith: It’s one of the things that breaks my heart most. That these hand rubbers, the same people that promote all this hedonism and liberalism, are the people that are making European people guilty for having children!

And they’re saying we’re overpopulated. Yet they’re opening our borders to all these people from around the world! And, you know, overpopulation doesn’t matter then.

It’s one of the sickest thing these people have done to our people! That so many men and women are deciding, they don’t want to bring children into this world. It’s actually horrific!

Natty: The worst thing the politicians are busy talking out of both sides of their mouths. Because on one hand they’re berating the fact that there’s not enough children being born in this country, or the population’s too low, we need to bring in more immigrant workers and all the rest of it. Whilst on the other hand promoting, all their newspapers and everything else, telling White people to stop having babies.

And there’s a climate emergency, and all this other rubbish! That’s presumably, like you said Sal, been going on for the last 30 years plus. It’s always:

“Oh we’re going to be at tipping point in 10 years!”

There’s going to be another tipping point in 10 years. It’s always just 10 years off. I think that Down syndrome girl from Scandinavia. What’s her name? Thunberg? Was at Glastonbury over the weekend, spouting off the same thing!:

“We’ve only got 10 years!”

It’s like, well I seem to remember you saying something similar 10 years ago! Just this rubbish! This scolding of Europeans! The scolding of Europeans wherever they are and wherever they’ve expanded to. Whether it’s South Africa, whether it’s Australia cwhether it’s North America, into just genociding themselves!

We know who’s doing it. We know who’s telling them to do these things. But it’s us who are being censored and shut down. All the while the arguments against us that are ceding the ideas of self-destruction, and negation, and horror, and complete disenfranchisement, are just pumped out mainstream! Day, by day, by day!

So that people like us have to argue with drones who have one word attacks to try and belittle us, and make us sound crazy. When we’re the furthest people from crazy. We’re the stewards, we have the ideas for the stewardship of the future, of who we are!

It’s not going to be up to someone from India, or someone from Pakistan, like Priti Patel, or that other guy the Chancellor, the free form, dwarven, hobbit, Chancellor of the Exchequer, to tell me, in my country, how the future is going to be, or what the future of my people in my country should be.

No! That’s completely wrong! It’s wrong on an instinctive level. And to be able to articulate it is no small thing.

And to bring it back to the book that’s what this book helps you to do.

Kenny Smith: Yeah for me nationalism is a positive message. It’s something that I’m proud of I believe it’s the answer to pretty much all our problems. If you’ve got a sound worldview and ethnonationalism, if you’ve got an answer for anything, put your people first in everything you do! They ask us, have you got a source for this, all the rest of it. You don’t need a source for this. You do what’s instinctively right for your people. And I think what PA does.

And what this book also does, in spades, is be brave, and be open! Because, if we take every opportunity we have to discuss these things with the people in our lives, and show that we’re not hiding some dirty little secret, it gives them confidence.

I think it was yourself Natty, you said it earlier, this book can give other people the confidence to do these things.

I’ve got a lady who works for us, and she originally used to live in the States, and she was actually a Bernie Sanders voter. And I thought:

“Oh my goodness! What have we hired here! She’s gonna be trouble!”

And she came in one day and she was discussing some charity things. She was trying to get a collection. And my question was this:

“Where are these funds going? Are they going to support British charity?”

Because for me, charity begins from home. I only give to British charities. And well, she was taken back! And she said:

“Oh, Kenny! That’s a really negative attitude! And there’s poor people around the world!”

And I said to her:

“If you had only a small amount of money. Enough to buy the bare essentials at a weekly shop. Would you feed your family first, or would you feed the neighbours kids?”

And you could actually, physically see, the penny drop in her head! And she goes:

“Yeah. I’ll feed my family first. But if I’ve anything leftover, I’ll help the rest!”

And I said:

“Exactly! That’s how I feel too! See, when everybody’s taken care of in this country, I’ll gladly help anything next door, and around the rest of the world. But where we’ve got people starving. Old folk who can’t turn on their heating. Schools that tell you that they can’t afford books. Hospitals that can’t provide right medication for people. I’m not giving one penny to anybody outside of this country!”

And she was basically, the rest of the day, she didn’t stop talking about this. How she really actually understood that what charity begins at home actually meant. She thought that was being selfish, people just looking after themselves ignoring others. But no! It’s looking after your own people, your own family.

And these are the interactions that we need to have with other people, to make them understand what nationalism is. There’s no point all of us having this understanding, going on to platforms like Telegram, and just chatting amongst ourselves. We have to get out into the real world and put the lessons this book teaches us into action, in the real world.

Natty: Yeah. Totally agree! One of the things I mentioned briefly in my intro, was how Roe versus Wade being repealed has got, even people who I know, I mean, I’m on Instagram. And I’ve got friends in there. Some of whom are girls, and women, who are posting stuff about the repealing of Roe versus Wade. And it’s like they don’t know what they’re talking about.

And I’ve had an argument with one, or two of them, along the lines of this book. The kind of responses I that I know to give. But it’s like, it’s a surface, it’s a real surface level understanding of the issue. There’s nothing else there! It’s just repeating something for social points, or social acceptance points. Especially if it’s something posting on Instagram, or posting on Facebook, or whatever it is because they feel safe saying it.

Whereas the things we’re saying people don’t feel safe saying it. Because the whole of society has been taught not to! So the book is trying to break that conditioning, and saying:

“No, no! We’re right! We’re right! We’re right to say this a and it’s acceptable to say these things.”

And it may not feel safe, and it’s illusion to not feel that way, and not feel that you can say the things you feel, or the truths that are self-evident.

Mark Collett: I agree with that fundamentally.

Now we are an hour and 15 minutes into the show. So we have got some Superchats. We’ve got three Superchats and a couple of questions. So we’re going to do those. If you haven’t Superchatted yet. And you want to Superchat, you can do so either through Odysee, or through Entropy. But let’s do some of these. And we’ll do them all, and we’ll answer them as best we can.

So Archie gave five dollars. Thank you so much. And said:

“Lawrence Summers backed Fink’s claims that nationalism leads to protectionism, and anti-immigration, thus causing inflation in the USA. Because there are not enough people to fill empty jobs. Fink says USA needs to million people per year. We know that the solution is marrying early.”

Well, thank you very much. And yeah. I think the argument about mass immigration, sort of aiding us economically, is based on the fact that we have an ageing population.

And one of the things that always gets me with the argument of an ageing population, is that we have been told, repeatedly, not to have children! We’ve been told that having children is terrible for us, it’s terrible for the environment, it is terrible for our country as a whole. That we are happier if we don’t do these things. And we’ve been guilt-tripped in many ways into not having children.

And then when we don’t have children, we’re told:

“Oh, you fools! You didn’t have children! You have to import lots of young, virile, non-White men of fighting age who are gonna come and do all the jobs.”

And where has that led us? So thank you for that Superchat. Archie gave another three dollars. Thank you so much. He said:

“You’ve all heard Harari talks about the necessity of nationalism to solve big problems. He emphasizes that nations aren’t tribes. He defines a tribe as a group upwards of 200 people, that know each other.”

Okay. Thank you very much.

Natty: Can I just make a comment on the first Superchat.

Mark Collett: Yeah! Yeah! Of course, yeah if anyone’s got anything to comment on these, go for it!

Natty: I’m not sure if you’ve seen it, the clip the Superchat was talking about, is Larry Fink of Blackrock, talking about why there’s inflation in the US. And you could expand out to include the UK as well. Basically blaming nationalism.

All that is, we know who (((Larry Fink))) is! We know what race he belongs to. We know what ethnicity he is. It’s just him blaming his enemies! He’s doing a version of what’s in this book, where he’s attacking, he’s in a position of dominance, in a meta sense, because he’s got the platform to do that. To sit in this chair of this interview on mainstream television, and attack who he perceives as his enemies.

In that case, White, North Americans. You know, European Americans, who would absolutely oust him if they knew what he was about! Knew who he was, and had the political power to do.

So so Larry Fink is just doing what we would be doing in his position, right, blaming the other side.

It’s the same as when there’s any political issue comes up in this country, the Conservatives will blame the Labour Party, the Labour Party will blame the Conservatives, you know, endlessly! It’s just that.

So understand who Larry Fink is. Understand where he’s coming from. And understand why we need to depose people like him.

Mark Collett: Thank you. And with a final Superchat from Archie for three dollars. Thanks so much. He says:

“The nation is a larger group that finds ways to unite strangers using common stories. What is he avoiding?”

Well I think the idea that bringing people together through some kind of common ideas, is really something that’s come about very recently. So only very recently have I heard this and it’s something that seems to be pushed by both liberals, and actually by conservatives. It’s a line that’s held by both sides of the sort of false political spectrum, which tries to lock us out of any form of discourse. And they both say that:

“Britain is an idea! America is just an idea! Every nation is just an idea that anybody can come to and fit in with, as long as they subscribe to the idea.”

I think that’s completely false! I’m sorry if I’ve misread that one. As well, I’m not sure about the speech that you’re talking about. But I hope I’ve got that right.

Kel asked a question for Kenny. And said:

“Kenny, you live in a remote White Scotland. Was it a book that caused you to become active in nationalism so long ago, or something else?”

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Kenny Smith: Great question! I did live in probably one of the Whitest place in the whole of the UK. I’m originally from the Isle of Lewis the Western Isles [Outer Hebrides], the most northwesterly island in the country.

And we did have a small Pakistani community who were the people that came over with, … They were the very Uriah Heep kind of people. Very humble, nice and polite. But they would come over like with a suitcase full of clothes, and then go around the houses selling it, buying stuff, and then built up. And eventually some of these people actually had stores. And one of them even spoke Gaelic, which was phenomenal when considering that a lot of people from [word unclear] themselves don’t speak Gaelic.

But it wasn’t really that. I basically was one of these kids who always supported the underdog. I was a bit rebellious. And I supported Patrick Thistle [chuckling]. Everybody else’s Rangers, you know, Aberdeen and United were popular back then, because they were successful. But I was always kind of a bit rebellious. And I got into the punk movement, which took me into the Rock against Communism scene that the skinheads and stuff like that.

And it was actually listening to a bootleg tape of Ian Stewart Donaldson and the words that he said in between the songs that really hit home for me and that I felt. So I then wrote away to a fanzine that was advertising national stuff. And the stuff that Ian was talking about. And I got National Front papers. I got British National Party papers. Went along to my first BNP meetings a little later, and got properly educated by the people I met.

But before I actually moved to the mainland, I relied mostly on things like National Alliance publications. There was The Oak from the UK. National Vanguard. I read John Tyndall’s Spearhead. I had a massive collection of these things. I used to get every publication going. Basically I bought lots of books from an early age, in order to expand in my world of view. I very quickly learnt not to be a fascist, because Mosley didn’t deal with the JQ..

And yeah, I read a lot of books on socialism a lot of books on nationalism. And so I don’t think there’s what one book did it. It was mainly the words of one man initially, that that spoke to me. And then I learnt, and I read, and I became educated. But that the best lesson that I ever got was from guys like Scott MacLean, Jim Laird, Stevie Cartwright. The BNP officers from Scotland when I first joined were really sensible, screwed on people, who told me:

“Don’t be a skinhead. Get serious and be of service to your people, rather than just being a follower.”

Mark Collett: Okay. Thank you very much a very comprehensive answer.

Saturn Five gave three pounds and says:

“Does the panel think that the fundamental change in our favour would be as a result of one major upheaval, a hard smack on the nose, or emerge from several factors?”

Well I’ll answer this first. I think this is a really good. I think this is a really good question. What would it take to wake people up? What would it take to get things changing? I think that would need to be a series of converging catastrophes, if you like. I think you’d have to have several things all come together at the same time to make a massive change. So you would need economic, social, and large national issues, all coming together at the same time to bring about change.

But saying all that, my outlook is one that this is a fight for the long haul. And I don’t think there’s any immediate answers. And I don’t think there’s going to be a big immediate upheaval that will work in our favour. Because people are becoming less, and less, willing to actually stand up and make a difference.

And I’ll give an example of that. It wasn’t long ago that people were protesting, blockading roads, over petrol hitting a pound a liter. Now petrol is hitting two pounds a liter, nobody’s doing anything.

And one thing that always bothers me to a certain degree, is that people on the continent seem very willing to do something. They have this revolutionary spirit. It’s almost built into them. So the French, for example, are very willing, even now, years after numerous revolutions, to go out on the street as either the Yellow Vests, or to vote for an alternative form of governance.

The best we ever got was UKIP which failed to make any meaningful breakthroughs at a Parliamentary level. And they were so soft, I think if they had got in they would have been completely ineffective, and fallen to pieces as a Parliamentary group.

So I think they’d take quite a bit in this country. And it would be a convergence of numerous great crises, all at the same time. What do you think Kenny? Then we’ll go Laura, Aunt Sally, and Natty.

Kenny Smith: I’m sorry Mark I wasn’t really paying attention, [chuckling]!

Mark Collett: The guy, Saturn Five, asked, he said:

“Does the panel think that that fundamental change in our favour would be a result of one major upheaval, or a number of smaller, several factors, all intertwining?”

Kenny Smith: Yeah. I don’t think, there’s no going to be any quick fix for this. We’re in for a long, long, struggle. There’s no two ways about it. And for me, that’s why we have to build community. I believe we have to manage the expectations of people in the movement.

If you read the history of the movement going back to even to the BUF days and before, they would have massive peaks and troughs of people. And the NF had the same. The BNP had the same. You know, something would happen in the public eye would drive people to us. And these people thought they were in for an instant win! You know:

“They just have to stick in for a year. And it’s going to happen.”

Rubbish! You have to work for it and win your people over. For me as long as people have jobs, as long as they have their distractions, you know, their TV, their internet, the majority people aren’t going to wake up.

And so that means that we have to become positive influences within the community to make that happen. Otherwise I think people this is, … It’s like the boiling frog analogy, isn’t it? As long as the heat isn’t turned up too far, these people will still sit in it and get boiled to death, you know. Yeah, there’s no quick fix. It’s going to be a long painful thing.

And we’ve seen in the past with the BNP. The thing that made the difference for communities was we would get activists actually going into communities and making a physical difference in these people’s lives, and a positive impact in these lives.

There’s a great story I tell a lot of time from Burnley, that sadly isn’t in Steve Smith’s book. But they went to a housing estate once. And put a whole pile of skips in and put magnetic BNP posters on saying:

“These skips are free for the community. Let’s clean up this estate!”

You know, they went around leafleting the place. The community absolutely loved it! People filled these things up! I think they had to do it a second time – if I remember correctly – it was so popular! And the enemy absolutely panicked! They sent Labour MPs across:

“Oh, don’t vote for the BNP! They’re Nazis!”

And basically the community rose up and told them:

“Bugger off! Get out of our estate! The BNP are the first people who have ever done anything positive for our lives!”

And it seems simple, you know what they’ve done is just clean up a dirty park, or a dirty estate. But that actually made something good happen for these people! They could take their kids to the park. And there was no rubbish, there was no needles, there was no dog poo. They made a positive impact in these people’s lives! And when the enemy comes and starts saying:

“Don’t trust people, they’re Nazis!”

They’re saying:

“We don’t care what you call them. They actually helped us!”

That’s for me is where it’s going to count for us. That we actually become leaders in our own communities, and dispel that spell on this. Because., like I said for me nationalism is a positive thing! It’s the answer to all our problems. And we just have to be brave enough and to get out there and spread the gospel!

Mark Collett: Laura?

Laura Towler: Yeah, I don’t think these big events do wake up the majority of people. Because, if we look at things like the Black Lives Matter riots, a year and a half ago, nearly two years ago, if you didn’t wake up during that, then what is going on? Do, you know what I mean? I think these big events do happen and people trickle over to us. And I do think we grow daily.

But I think the majority of people will just take whatever’s the most comfortable option. And if we were in power. And we had the media on our side, then most people would be openly and confidently nationalists. So I think it’s up to a very sort of dedicated, and strong willed few, to lead by example. And then I think eventually most people will come up to our worldview.

But I don’t think there’s going to be some massive event where everyone’s like:

“Okay I’m a nationalist now!”

I don’t think it happens like that. I think it’s like Kenny said, it’s a slow battle. And we see people join Patriotic Alternative and then, because we haven’t secured total victory within six months, they’re like:

“Oh I can’t do it!”

And they drop out. But there was plenty of those that were there on that first day and we know that this is not going to be solved in five years, or even 10 years. And it’s a really long struggle. That’s why we call it a “struggle”, isn’t it? And I think we need people that have got that that longevity really, to stick it out. So yeah, I hope that answers the question.

Mark Collett: Okay. Sally and Natty. What do you think?

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Aunt Sally: I agree with what everybody else has said. The subversion has been going on for a very, very long time! And it’s going to take a long time to undo. And I think the elderly, or the boomers seem to be the worst to try and bring over to our side. They just don’t want to know. There’s a few of us, but not in enough numbers, I don’t think.

The target audience, maybe it’s the young, the Zoomers and the Millennials we need to educate more. And it’s hard, because they’ve grown up in the system. They’ve been educated against their own best interests. So I think it’s more education.

I know we can’t go into schools and do anything, but education in real life, where we just keep telling other parents what the agenda that’s in the school books, and that’s in the media and the films and stuff. And the more they see that the more they’ll see what’s really going on. That’s what I think anyway.

Natty: Well my answer to this is probably slightly black pilling, maybe a bit depressive. But after reading Solzenitzen’s book the Gulag Archipelago, it’s apparent, like Kenny says, with the boiling of the frog, just how compressed you can make people before they do anything. And even then, you get to the point where you put them in a camp and they die from logging duties after three weeks, starvation rations, just how a crumb of comfort can turn people inwards and stop them mobilizing. In the camps, in the Gulags, just a simple comfort like a piece of bread, or an extra shirt to keep you warm at night, was enough to stop people uniting, because they didn’t have anything else. So it’s like:

“Well, this is mine now! I have to have to protect myself from my fellow inmates. The other people who are in here with me. I’ve got to look out for myself.”

Now on that note, however, I will say that. I was convinced by Gavin Bobby [sp]. I don’t know if you guys remember him. He turned up and he spoke to Chris Dangerfield a year ago, maybe a little bit more than a year ago. And he talked about how things would go downhill quite fast. And he was convinced it was the collapse of the Welfare State.

If the government runs out of money, or the government is unable to provide services in the way that they currently do. So electricity, internet, water, you would rapidly see people just tried up, basically. And it would be very messy. And I think this was his thesis. It would be very messy. And over the course of years, a few years, it would gradually sort itself out.

And people who were actually responsible. And actually had a thought for the future, rather than the kind of five-year election cycle would come to the fore. By it’s very nature they would be nationalistic. Because they would have spent time looking after the people around them, and gaining enough of a power base to then kind of expand that out.

So it’s kind of pie in the sky stuff. But I was fairly convinced by that argument.

Mark Collett: Okay. And we have a Superchat from A Coconut Nuts a Big Nut, who gave three dollars, and said:

“Dear Mark. What was your wake-up moment? You’re the greatest!”

Well, I have to concur with the last part of your Superchat. That is a very astute observation on your behalf. My wake-up call was just living where I lived. I lived in a small village, all White, called Roethly. Community, everyone dead friendly. Biggest major city nearby, Leicester, very multicultural. Compared the two from a young age, from going shopping with my mother in the village, to the butchers, the bakers, the green grocers, the newspaper shop, then going with my mum to Leicester. Wow! Well, you saw the difference.

And the difference wasn’t just the level of community, it was the difference in people. And the more diverse you went, the less community there was. And the less you felt at home. And that’s something that lived with me through my whole life. And I just was instinctively drawn to nationalism after being brought up with those two very big differences in my life. So thank you for the Superchat.

Max Anderson gave 10 pounds. Thank you so much. And he said:

“Counter-Currents had a good podcast recently. They said nationalist organizations could be more like the NRA, with a legislative arm attacking policy, and running ads against candidates they don’t like.”

Well, I’ve got to say this. I think one of the big things that’s come about very recently. And it’s not actually PA related. I’ll give credit where credit’s due. One of the big breakthroughs lately within the nationalist community, is the Workers of England, Union. Now I know this doesn’t help our friends north of the border, like Kenny but the Workers of England, Union has been one of the most powerful advocacy groups for people of European descent living in Britain. People who have been discriminated against with the face masks, with the forced jabs, etc.

And I think one of the most powerful things that we’ve developed is this legal response. PA…. I’ve obviously helped people with legal responses in other ways. But the Workers of England, Union have been great. And I think the NRA is a good organization to base what we do on, because fundamentally they do apply major pressure.

Now, I don’t think our MPs, or our counselors, would listen. But we can apply legal pressure and advocacy to big organizations. And I think that we’ve promoted Workers of England, Union. We’ve obviously had Robin Tilbrook help us with advice for how to deal with the police, and Prevent, etcetera. And I think that legal string to our bow, as nationalists, is something that’s very, very important.

And I will say this that groups like the NRA. Groups in America that are advocacy groups do push on the legal front. And that’s something that nationalists haven’t done enough of in the past. I think that’s been a big change.

Embrace the Struggle said:

“Hopefully Mark reads the chapter on homosexuality and reconsiders his stance on dissident Right individuals, who happen to be homosexuals.”

I would say that there are people within the dissident Right who are ultimately providing a good service to nationalism. Now the way I judge homosexuals, is that I think the homosexual lifestyle is rather degenerate, it’s rather deviant. We’re seeing this with the Monkeypox. Their lifestyle is not conducive to being healthy. It’s not conducive to a long life. It’s also not conducive to family values, etc.

However, not everybody who is a homosexual leads what we would call “the homosexual lifestyle”. There are homosexuals who do not lead a degenerate life. Who do still think that family values are important. And you do push for the rights of people of European descent.

Now if there was a homosexual that wanted to be involved with PA. And I didn’t know they were homosexual, and they kept it behind closed doors. And they didn’t push for it in any way, I would fundamentally not even know they were homosexual. So how would I have an issue with that?

Now if there was a homosexual who wanted to join PA and wanted to hand out PA leaflets at gay pride events, and wanted to come to PA Conferences dressed up as one of the village people, that would be something completely different. So I think we have to judge people on their actions.

And what I’ll also say is people often like to criticize one particular nationalist author, and activist, and speaker, about his homosexuality. And this guy has done an awful lot for this cause. He’s done an incredible amount for this cause.

And one thing I will say. If you’re gonna throw stones at that guy, make sure you’ve done something for this cause which is in some way comparable! Because one thing that always strikes me as odd, is when people in this “movement”, and I say movement in inverted commas, are taken very seriously, very seriously, and they’re faceless, nameless, they hide behind an avatar online, but have all manner of “constructive”, in inverted commas, criticism for those in the movement who actually show their faces, put their necks on the line, and do a lot of work.

If you want to have your criticisms, and inputs, taken seriously, you have to in some way prove that you are someone who should be taken seriously. If you want to be taken seriously you have to prove that. And that means you have to put something into the movement.

And I do not believe that democracy is the best system. I believe a system of meritocracy is a good system. And meritocracy is a system whereby people who commit to a cause, put something in, and work hard, have more input in the steering of that cause.

So I’ve got to say, ultimately when it comes down to it, if you’re going to criticize the guy that you criticized in the Superchat, make sure you’re doing something comparable to his level of input, [chuckling] because he does an awful lot!

Bernie, ….

[101:12]

Kenny Smith: Sorry I think it’s well said Mark. There’s a lot of people who are fond of throwing stones in this wider movement who do absolutely nothing at all! But they aim their slings and arrows are people who do work. And I’m sure that there are probably more homosexuals in the wider movement than people think.

I know there were some in the BNP who even stood as candidates, and nobody was aware they were homosexual, because they didn’t behave in a camp manner. They were very discreet about it. You know, they were not people who tried to force homosexuality down the throats of other people. They just were aware that that’s what they were. And I dare say some of them would probably be ashamed of it.

But they kept it to themselves, to a degree behind closed doors. They weren’t promoting it. They agreed with the BNP stance and family values. And I bet that there’s probably people still in the movement today, exactly in the same boat. And if they’re doing good work for the movement I’m not going to throw any stones at them.

Natty: Well said. I think the other thing is that it, just in general, sexuality as a political position is the kind of underlying issue here, right? Because you wouldn’t want someone who was a leader, or a thought leader, to be out there promoting any sort of sexuality, as some sort of raison d’être, a reason for being, or a reason for pushing political issues.

And just to add to what you were saying Mark, that’s to the people who criticize you for your stance on certain things. You’ve got to remember most of the time, like you said, these people are anonymous, they’ve got, you know whatever picture is avatar on Telegram, or any YouTube comment. You don’t know who you’re arguing with.

I mean, you can kind of guess sometimes by the kind of things they say, you could be arguing for all you know with someone who looks like Harvey Price, and is probably a few brain cells short of someone like Harvey Price. [Mark bursts out laughing]

Kenny Smith: I’m wondering where this is going [chuckling]!

Natty: You imagine that you’re speaking with someone who maybe you imagine that there’s some sort of professorial type who’s got their head around all these issues, and knows about all this stuff. But, in actual fact, a lot of the time it’s attention seeking. It’s just nagging, and trying to push buttons and stuff like that. So just ignoring people who are naysayers, or don’t have anything constructive to add, is a perfectly legitimate way to go about things, I think.

Mark Collett: Yeah. I’ve also got to say as well, if we were living in the perfect world, then we could legislate for us all to be absolutely perfect! And that would be wonderful, wouldn’t it. But I’ve got to say this. At the moment we are so close to annihilation, turning down talented, decent people who are pushing in the right direction is madness! It would be akin to being on the Titanic and a load of lifeboats turn up. And then you say:

“No! No! Turn those lifeboats away! They’re not the regulation lifeboat shade of red. They need to be a couple of shades lighter! Take them away, get them repainted, and bring them back!”

Well when you’re in a crisis you take what you get and you work with it, and you attempt to build a movement from what you’ve got. And that’s not me being a defeatist. That’s me being a pragmatist. Because, if we are looking for utter perfection. If we’re looking for a group where everyone agrees with each other on a hundred percent of the issues hundred percent of the time, we will all be in a party of one. And it’s as simple as that!

And we’ve got another question here from Kelt. He says:

“Everybody, this book is for reposts. What is your favourite first strike argument to win an audience over to nationalism?”

Your favourite first strike argument? Well, mine just has to be that we are the indigenous people of these islands. And as such we have a birthright to them. And like any other indigenous people we should not be reduced to a minority in our ancestral homeland. And I think that chimes very well with most people.

What do you all say? When you introduce yourself as a nationalist and you lay down your first strike argument, as he said. What is that? We’ll start with you Kenny. And we’ll go around the group.

Kenny Smith: Yeah, pretty much what you just said. We are the indigenous people of these islands. And we have a right to be proud of our history. And our heritage. And to govern ourselves. That’s it! It’s about self-determination for our own people. And I’m not going to be ashamed of saying that publicly.

Mark Collett: Laura, do you have a take? Or have you got, … Oh, you have because Sam’s away. Bloody hell! Why do you let him get away with this?

Laura Towler: Oh, I says to him:

“Why have you booked a gig when you know I’ve got Book Club?”

And he’s like:

“I bought these tickets before me and you got together!”

So we bought these tickets years ago, apparently. And it’s like Ramstein.

Mark Collett: Oh.

Laura Towler: I think it’s been cancelled and delayed and stuff, because of Covid. But yeah. She’s alright she’s just, …

Mark Collett: Give him a slap anyway!

Laura Towler: [Laughing]. But yeah. One thing that I always do when I’m having discussions with people is I always try and twist it round to another group. So, if somebody says something like:

“Why would you be proud of something that you had no control over?”

You know, talking about our people. Then I’d say:

“Would you say that to Black Lives Matter supporters? Or would you say that to somebody at a pride march?”

Or if they say something like:

“British? What do you mean? Is it the Angles, or the Saxons, or the Jutes?”

I’d say:

“Well, would you say to a Japanese person, what is Japanese? And then break their ethnic group down?”

And usually when you flip it round to a non-White group, it really does highlight like how anti-White they really are. And I think if you can do that, hopefully they might go away and think about it. But if they don’t, at least the people who were watching saw how things are different for us. And maybe that will encourage them to take their own side as well.

Aunt Sally: Yeah I love what Laura just said. And I wish I could remember it when it comes up. But I do sort of tend to say what Mark and Kenny said about it’s indigenous people. It’s about us. It’s our homeland.

People are different races, because they belong in different environments, different heats. That’s why people from Africa are black, because of the sun. We belong here. This is our country we absorb vitamin D differently to other races. And they belong there in their own continent. So yeah, that’s where I stand. That’s what I say to other boomers, anyway.

Natty: I think the best thing to do is just ask a question. If someone says:

“Well, that’s a bit racist!”

You say:

“What do you mean, racist?”

And they’ll just fall apart, straight away, you know what their idea of racism, is like a precursor, it’s just some anti-White claptrap that they’ve heard. And they can’t just say:

“It’s discrimination based on race!”

Because then you can, that opens them up to all sorts of stuff! So the first thing you can do if you’re ever on the back foot, you’re ever wondering how to respond to someone who’s coming at you for something, just ask them the question. Just turn it straight around on it:

“You’re racist.”

“What do you mean, racist?”

“Well, that’s pretty bigotted of you! You’re a homophobe! You’re a homophobe! You’re a transphobe!”

“What do you mean? What do you mean transphobe? Explain that.”

And watch how quickly they crumble. That’s the first strike, it’s the best tactic! It gives you breathing room. And it makes them have to think about what they’re saying. Which most of the time they can’t do. Like I said, it’s surface. They have a surface level understanding, of all of these issues, to a much lesser degree than you do. So if you ask them a question, they’ll crumble.

Laura Towler: Yeah, I’d just like to add something to that actually. Usually people say stuff. And it’s like, it is just empty words that mean nothing. And if you actually ask them to explain, … I’ll give you an example they can’t do. And I posted on my Telegram channel the other day. Gary Lineker was saying:

“Refugees bring skills and talents!”

If you said to him:

“What skills and talents do they bring that we can’t do ourselves?”

I guarantee you he would not be able to say one thing! But they use all these buzz words, and fancy words, and like nice little things wrapped up in bows. But if you actually ask them to explain something, and say:

“Oh. Can you give me an example of that?”

Nine times out of ten, they haven’t got a clue. They just know what they’re supposed to say. But they can’t actually go in scratch below the surface, or go into any more depth. So yeah, I completely agree with Natty.

Natty: Just to add to it people like Gary Lineker and his ilk, have been given immense kind of space, by the fact that nobody is allowed to rebut them. No one who could rebut them, or has the sense, or will, or willingness to rebut them, has any form of presence online in which to do.

So Gary Lineker can post something like that, it gets hundreds of thousands of retweets, and likes by, quite frankly, morons! And the people who would slap him down, who deserve to slap him down, are silenced all across the place. So these people’s grip on the kind of national discourse, or international discourse in some cases, is completely astroturf!

It’s not real it’s a manifestation of those who hold power over us at the moment. So that’s, I guess I’m just explaining really, why is that they’re allowed to say such stupid things. And how easy it would be to take them down if we were allowed to, or given the space to rebut them.

Mark Collett: Yeah, I do agree with that. You’ve got these people whose ideas are presented in such a vacuum. And when ideas are presented in a vacuum, they’re much easier to uphold, unless they’re, you know, than being presented in an open environment.

Archie gave five dollars. Thank you so much. He said:

“The Japanese courts recently said that not allowing gay marriage is not constitutional. But they are LGBT groups pushing for gay marriage, arguing that there are social economic advantages. Global corporations don’t like nations that aren’t LGBT friendly.”

Well, indeed. But I do think it’s good that Japan is basically standing up against the LGBT lobby. I think that’s really important. It’s nice to know that there is a developed world nation doing that. I know there are other countries that do. But for Japan to do it, I think that’s a pretty big thing.

So we’re getting towards the end of the show. And we’ve answered all of the questions. If anyone else has got any Superchats, or questions, get them in now! Because we are about to round up. And we will now give our final thoughts on the book. And we’ll go around the group.

We will start, … We’ll give the final word to Kenny obviously. He’ll tell you where you can get the book. But let’s give Laura, Aunt Sally, Natty, then myself. Let’s have a good round up. All right?

[113:02]

Laura Towler: Yes. Well I do recommend the book. Like I said, I bought it myself to support Claymore Books. And it’s a good one. It’s sometimes you get books from book club. And it’s like I probably won’t read that again. But I think this is one that I will come back to. And so I do recommend it.

And also recommend that you support Claymore Books. And perhaps when Kenny speaks you can tell us what the next book’s going to be? Because it’s an exciting one.

But yeah, this book is good for when you’re debating 99% of people that you debate, because they do not debate in good faith. I wouldn’t recommend it if you’re having a conversation with like, I don’t know, like maybe if I was talking to my dad, or my brother, and they wanted to understand something a little bit more, we’d have a more in-depth conversation and go over things in more depth. I wouldn’t use this book for that.

But I would use it for like 99% of conversations when people are just trying to catch you out, or humiliate you. This will just stop them in their tracks, and put you into the position of power. And so, yeah I do recommend it.

And I just wanted to say, thanks for having me as well. And I’ll be back tomorrow with Sam for tea time. And I pass it to Aunt Sally.

Aunt Sally: Yeah. I think it’s a really good book as well. I really enjoyed reading it. And I will read it again, and again. And I probably will leave it in the toilet. Because that’s where the brightest light in the house is to be honest.

I think it’s a really good start the book for someone like me who I just get lost! I get slapped down in any debate. I don’t actually want to debate anybody. But sometimes it crops up at family dinners and gatherings. And yeah, I tend to avoid them. But I’ve now got a few sound bites to throw at people. So I’m really grateful to it for that.

So yeah, I do recommend it. I really think every nationalist should have one. You really should. It’s a really good book. And thank you for the microphone. And I hope my sound’s been good tonight. Thank you Mark.

Mark Collett: It’s been so good Sally, that next episode of book club, you are doing it all on your own. [chuckling]

Aunt Sally: Oh yeah! Good luck with that!

Mark Collett: Natty, what’s your final thoughts, my friend?

Natty: Even if this book was total trash, and I didn’t enjoy it. And it didn’t have any value, I would recommend it just because Claymore Books is a worthy cause! And this is the first publication from Claymore Books. You should be supporting them if you’re a British nationalist in any way, shape, or form, you should buy a copy of this book.

However, it is not a crap book. It is totally worthy, a totally worthy book to have on your bookshelf. If you’re even partially on the Right, or even if you’re not fully over, or you’re kind of wavering, whatever. This book is a fantastic edition. And I know that books, a lot of these books, can be compared to funko pops the way that soy boys and manlets collect funko pops, Right-wingers collect books.

But this is definitely one for the collection. So 100% recommend! Go to Claymore Books, pick up a copy of this book and you won’t regret it.

Mark Collett: Thank you. Well my opinion on this book. I think I’ve made it quite clear I think it answers the question I get asked all the time, or have been asked. We’ve been doing, I think it’s about 263, 264 episodes of my weekly show now. So that’s obviously over, that’s over five years of doing a weekly show every week! It’s a lot of shows. And throughout that five years I’ve often been asked:

“How do I argue with people? How do I present arguments to my family, to my friends, to my co-workers? How would you answer this question?”

Well, you’ve now got a handy handbook which gives you all of those answers. So buy it! It’s not an expensive book. But it’s worth every penny, in fact, I’d say this is worth it’s weight in gold, if you were to want a book that helps you debate. And these sort of arguments do come up on a regular basis.

And I’ve seen nationalists go into debates online, in person, and get completely minced by people who put forward emotional arguments. And they’re just trying to argue in a dry way. And this book arms you with everything to fight back against those arguments, and to completely dominate your opponent with wit, with short snappy answers, with analogies, that will hit home.

It’s worth the money, and it really does do something that I don’t feel any other book that we’ve reviewed really does. Which is actually arm our activists with the most important weapon of all, which is the weapon of being able to win the public discourse, whenever you engage in debate.

So yeah, and again as Natty said, Claymore Books another nationalist business that does deserve your support.

So Kenny! You are the guy behind Claymore Books. So would you like to have the final word, my friend?

Kenny Smith: And thank you very much Mark. And thank you Laura, and lovely to speak with Sally and Natty, it’s been a wew while. And I’m so glad that you all enjoyed the book so much.

For me we did this in the PA Scotland book club, which is an educational book club. We’ve got a safe curriculum and we do things for a reason. But we laughed so much during this book! We broke it up into his different sections. And we made somebody do the arguments and somebody do the rebuttals. And we have some funny characters in Scotland, who are brilliant at accents. So I’m sure you can imagine [chuckling] how some of the arguments went! But we actually laughed so much, because this book is absolutely brutal against the enemy!

Gordon Freeman who’s one of our officers in Scotland, a prolific writer for the website, I was asking the guys, book club, how they found the book. And he was saying that for him, it helped him see and understand the patterns that the enemy have. And they certainly do. And it allowed him to be ready to crush him! And he’s absolutely spot on!

If, you know, your enemy, you’ll defeat your enemy. And this book will do that for you. But you have to practice it. Don’t just read it and forget it. There’s loads of nationalist books I’ve only ever read once. And then it sits on my bookshelf. And I say I’ve got it. But I don’t go back to it.

But there’s other books, I will read religiously, year after year. And I get different things from them as I age, through my life experience. And this book I think is one of these things. You can dip in and out it.

But you must read it, you know, regularly for me, and then tailored to your own needs. And like Laura said it’s not one for the family. Be nice to your family, and friends [chuckling]! Don’t try and belittle them and mock them! You want to win them.

I’m so proud that this is our first book, because it is a useful tool in the national movement. I think there are so many books out there for nationalists. And they’re basically telling you the history, or they’re doing a deep dive into some esoteric, philosophical point.

This book is practical help! That can help us win the struggle.

So yeah, just want to finish off. Thank you very much terribly for the amazing words on the book. And it was a absolute joy to be on the show. And thanks to everybody who was interacting in the chat as well.

Natty: Wait. Before we end Mark, before we give your final thoughts. If you want to be able to mash rhetorically for Hebrews, in a debate, and make two of them storm off in rage, this is the book you start with! I’m sure you remember the debate Mark Collett had in 2017, 2018! This book would go some way into helping you be able to achieve such things.

Mark Collett: Thank you for those kind words! And yeah, that was a good night! That was a good night. I think tonight’s been a good night as well. I always enjoy our chats with this little group. And we will be back next month.

Next month though we have a very different book. We have a science fiction book, set in the future. It’s a nationalist book, but a science fiction novel. It’s one that Natty really is looking forward to, and one that Laura is dreading! So we’ll see how that one works out! I’m looking forward to it, as well.

And thank you for tuning in tonight. Thank you to Kenny. Thank you to Laura. Thank you Anne Sally. Thank you Natty. Thank you to all those who donated so generously. Thank you to everyone who tuned in. This community is absolutely wonderful. Laura and Sam will be back tomorrow night for tea time. And I’ll be back on Wednesday with Morgoth for PWR. It’s going to be a good one!

Until then, stay strong! Keep fighting! Pick up this book! And I’ll see you all again soon. Thank you and good night everyone.

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@MarkCollett
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
The book being discussed this evening can be found here:
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
i bought the book just because I love burning arseholes in arguments lol
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
The book being discussed this evening can be found here:
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Excellent show that returned to FIRST PRINCIPLES.

@KennySmith
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@simmons6319.2
7 hours ago
shame on the tribe & their paid shabbos goy-eam for using brown people as biological weaponry against the people who made civilization. the parasitical tribe!
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
“Anti-Semite!” — “No, I have nothing against the Palestinians”
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
What does Semitic mean? that stops 99% people dead in their tracks too pmsl
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@BritishGammon
7 hours ago
“racist” is an anti White slur. We should not be afraid of it.
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@Hobbit-Habit
7 hours ago
“Yes, I’m a national socialist, what of it?”
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
The holohoax is just an idea!
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
Israel is just an idea!
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@BritishGammon
7 hours ago
Great answer Kenny
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@BB
7 hours ago
greetin thumbsperg
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Spot on, Kenny. The social side of Nationalism
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@KennySmith
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@BeerHallPooch
Andrew Brons would have been amazing on Question Time
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
The book being discussed this evening can be found here:
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@KennySmith
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@BeerHallPooch
Indeed, I am a big collector of nationalist books and I have started telling folk I’d be happy to take anything they don’t want or would like preserved for posterity. I’ll open a reference library when we win the struggle.
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@KennySmith
9 hours ago
Hi Folks, you can get the books here:

Hammer of the Patriot

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@BeerHallPooch
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The book being discussed this evening can be found here:
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@Nobody
3 hours ago
I like Kenny’s accent but what they’re saying about Pakistani is unacceptable. See? They think the Pakistani are amazing! I have to leave. I can’t stand this.
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Morgoth on Wed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Kelema90
3 hours ago
People are taking far too much time to wake up. This show should be broadcast worldwide in all English speaking countries.
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@TheEuropeanSpear
4 hours ago
This book together with Go Free and you’ll never lose an argument ever again.
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
thanks guys! awesome stream!!
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
check out counter currents if looking for a stream to listen to now
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
Thanks folks. Have a great night.
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
Great show o/
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@BritishGammon
7 hours ago
night all. Great show. 14
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
ace
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@PureNomad
7 hours ago
14
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
cya all Wednesday, take care all x
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@ChainReaction
7 hours ago
Hᴇɪʟ Bʀᴏᴛʜᴇʀs ᴀɴᴅ Sɪsᴛᴇʀs \ᴏ \ᴏ \ᴏ
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@KennySmith
7 hours ago

@Miss_Right
Yes we do, though somebody said it was not working tonight. Email sales@claymorebooks.co.uk and we can sort it for you.
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
14
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
7 at one blow.
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
I like when Mark debated 6 at once and destroyed them all
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
If in doubt, listen to Uncle mark who listened to Uncle A
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
You’ve got me talked into but I’m on a different island
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
I go turbo on my family cos I can get away with it
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago

@KennySmith
Do you ship outside the UK ?
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
No brother wars.
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
No shipping outside of UK?
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@JohanFredrickson1290
7 hours ago
NO Brother wars
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@MEAN_PEEM
7 hours ago
great book, great stream
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Hard to believe Mark and Kenny were once daggers drawn. DO NOT let grudges overwhem you, people
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
They don’t seem to ship outside the UK ???
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
audio books are great. Hope it goes to audio books
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@Stonewall-brigade
my pleasure
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@Stonewall-brigade
^^
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@Stonewall-brigade
7 hours ago
thanks
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@Stonewall-brigade
7 hours ago
post link to book??
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
not just win the public discourse, but dominate
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
14 all. Great stream
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
our side needed a book like this
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@Sons_of_Odin
Sometimes that’s a good enough reason alone
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@JohanFredrickson1290
7 hours ago
Thanks Pooch , great stream, thanks all. 14
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Hail teh Cause
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
every major Court decision over the last 80 years has been total b s. Brown vs Board of Education as just one example
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Bloody good show. Nationalist principles came to the fore
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@KennySmith
7 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
Thank you
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
Good notes make a good stream! Thanks, Aunt Sally!
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
been
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
they were made to finally work and they will never forgive for having be made to do so
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@simmons6319.2
7 hours ago
yeah I enjoy a hard day’s work.
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
The gay marriage decision is one that was poorly argued and wrongly decided, constitutionally, in the ‘States, and it may be overruled by the U.S. Supreme Court.
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@14Ways
7 hours ago
Work sets you free
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@simmons6319.2
7 hours ago
they’re greedy pathetic parasites that would rather scheme than work one day.
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
or – did you know DNA tests now prove most modern Jews are not Semitic –
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/
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@PureNomad
7 hours ago
\o night all, thx for the show
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@ChainReaction
7 hours ago
oh corporations love saudi arabia
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
we are the normal ones. they are the evil genocidal freaks and bastards
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
not racist just normal like you great grandfathers were. most people on our side just support what was normal 80 years ago
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
^
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@Archie.Bunker
7 hours ago
I am a racist but the good kind
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
talent == successfully applied for benefit
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
^^^^^^^^^^^
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
I’ve heard Greg Johnson is a homosexual and he does great work for the cause at counter currents but he is an exception
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@ChainReaction
7 hours ago
‘racist’ is the White man’s n-word
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@JohanFredrickson1290
7 hours ago
tolerance = submission
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
They won’t hesitate to turn on you when the heat is on them
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
Bible quotes that a fool is one who thinks he is good when he is really evil. Know your place get the best results
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
Gays are naturally submissive, the type of ally with no honor
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@JohanFredrickson1290
7 hours ago
Laura made me think of doolan lol
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
Hi Catherine!!!
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@JohanFredrickson1290
7 hours ago
lol get back to china bitch pmsfl
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@Hobbit-Habit
7 hours ago
I submit that some influential figure turning up at a PA event with his non-white fiancee is the same as a gay turning up dressed as in pride parade leathers and oversized codpiece.
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
Did laura say Ramstein ?
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
I still won’t beg with my back against the wall.
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
It might be a smaller movement if we only admitted the perfect
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@14Ways
Call it what you want: our backs are against the wall
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@PureNomad
7 hours ago
lol
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@14Ways
7 hours ago
We are not beggars.
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
Pride is illegal
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
^^^^
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
beggar is the correct word for our situation.
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
utter perfection and purity spiraling are counter-productive
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
army*
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
One works with the amry he has, not with the army he wishes he had
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
do…..do we have a lot of gays who aren’t completely indoctrinated in leftist ideology who actually want to help us? is this a thing?
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
Mark is correct; beggars can’t be chosers
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
SPOT ON, Mark
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
Pink Triangles will work too
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@BB
7 hours ago
as long as they wear bells so we know where they are
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
14
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
always learn something from the show. Merits. UH Respect and courage.
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@Hobbit-Habit
7 hours ago
Very witty, Miss
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@TheThinRedLine
7 hours ago
well said
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
Y. M. PA, Y. M. PA
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Mark is spot on here. Gay or not, both this person and Martin Webster have a done a hell of a lot for the Cause. That can’t be denied.
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
Counter-Currents article on the value of creating new patronage and philanthropy networks:
https://tinyurl.com/bddkbxdk
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
The Spoons Hall Putsch in Kendal was serious uplifting
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
What if they were actually construction workers?
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@Hobbit-Habit
7 hours ago
LOL.
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@deadeye30o6
7 hours ago
gun owners of america
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
3
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago

@Miss_Right
Poochs change things
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@deadeye30o6
7 hours ago
now every one is going with GOA
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@BB
7 hours ago
^
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@deadeye30o6
7 hours ago
NRA sold out years ago
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
^^ advocating a Pooch, are we?
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@KennySmith
7 hours ago

@Nobody
I’m not sure you understood what I said about these immigrants!
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
CORRECT. Unionise with them. MASS STRIKES needed. Attack the System
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
Community means everyone living according to the same rules as much as it does values. Other cultures don’t give a fuck about our rules or values.
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@BritishGammon
7 hours ago

@Carlota
The UK gov lied and said it was only 5 million!
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
nps buddy
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago

@Sons_of_Odin
Thanks for that. Very interesting. Cheers
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
Get under handed if you have too. survival is the name of the game. Acting British and selfish makes liberial so mad love it
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
once you reduce people to the level of beasts, they’ll be capable of just about anything
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
It takes some intelligence, maturity, and courage to be nationalist. It was not my starting point, not being the sharpest knife in the drawer: I carried a “Little Red Book” when I was a pre-teen – Mao’s stuff was popular on the left in the ‘States during the Vietnam war.
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
1.3 million immigrants left the UK during lockdown – economic collapse will encourage even more to leave. The WEF will help us greatly –
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-uk-immigrants-job-loss-b1787785.html
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@Horatius
*a full-spectrum genocidal campaign
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@BritishGammon
7 hours ago

@Carlota
Yes. According to the Daily Expose

UK Gov. report admits 19.2 million people in England have not had a single dose of a Covid-19 Vaccine, and another 12 million have refused a 2nd or 3rd Dose

@Horatius
7 hours ago
whites are forced by threat of prison if they don’t subsidize non white children with their tax dollars. if they got to keep that money, they would have money to have their own or more than they have. this is a genocidal campaign
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Folk will soon be in need of charity (toys, clothes, etc) this Christmas. We could start prepping for this by collecting / centralising this goods

@MarkCollett

@KennySmith
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
Quit feeling guilty. good point
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
Which is why when people make fun of ‘they made the trains run on time’ they are completely missing the point.
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
tell them to get out of UK Do not give them preverbally food from your tables
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@BillAtheling
7 hours ago
welocme

@Nobody
stay cool old chap, we will prevail!
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
PAIN and SUFFERING is needed to change the nomie. I do not welcome it, but it’s a necessity
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@Miss_Right
either way, the most important question regarding the repeal of Roe v. Wade is: “Is it good for whites?”
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
whites think of someone is friendly to them, then they are a good person when in actuality they don’t know them and non whites know how naive and gullible whites are when it comes to them
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
women have enough children for replacement in USA. Immigration policy cares to much for the fourth world. 75 percent of USA would be white in 1965 immigration act was not enacted. Mass non european immigration caused it
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
all the legal “experts” on the left are just straight commies. fuck their arguments
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
My story is similar to Kenny’s. Supporting the underdog, NF, etc
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
Repealing Roe was actually wanted by Constitutional lawyers on “both sides of the aisle” since it was badly argued and improperly decided. There are three other cases that the left is up in arms about but that were also badly decided that should go with support by legal experts on both sides.
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@Nobody
7 hours ago
I come here to clear my head after being targeted by middle easterners and blacks to have a fucking guy talking about how Pakistani people are great in Wales where they shouldnt exist? Fuck off!
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@PureNomad
7 hours ago
screwdriver rocked
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
As long as people have food in their belly, a job to go to, money in their pockets, and are able to walk safe streets; they generally will not act
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@Carlota
7 hours ago

@BritishGammon
19 million? Really?
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@BB
7 hours ago
would you really want an influx of supporters only joining in reaction to single event or a trickle of supporters that have experienced mulitple events
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
The Great Reset will push many people into politics and it will also make many immigrants pack their bags and go home by their own accord.
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Spot on, kenny
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
^^^
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@BritishGammon
7 hours ago
19 million people in England didn’t get a single jab-that has to be encouraging.
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
it’s about being in the right position and ready to go, once circumstances and factors turn in our direction
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
sadly
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@KennySmith
7 hours ago

@Sons_of_Odin
Thank you. I’m sure you will enjoy it.
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
just ordered the book.
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@PrevailingWest
7 hours ago
looks interesting
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
Imagine not fucking without regard to the life you create
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago
^^^^^
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
the left will create whole networks to bring women from states where abortion is banned to states where it isn’t. they have billions of dollars to make the network. unless anti abortion states outlaw the trafficking
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@Outtolive
7 hours ago
Modern Politics quoted that immigration policy was the problem 2million people were born in USA. 4 million people migrated there. guilt tripping to accept replacing our young with migrants,
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@Miss_Right
7 hours ago
How are violent young males on benefit going to benefit the economy? SMH
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@Sons_of_Odin
Repealing Roe v. Wade checks a number of boxes: 1.) your point 2.) it will produce more hostile blacks to attack whites and 3.) it will reanimate the Left.
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Projection
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@Dewitt
7 hours ago
every other race breeds out of control without any regard to carrying capacity
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@Nobody
7 hours ago
Abortion hit blacks way more than Whites. I do not support abortion of Whites. Then you have Whites praising a black justice for now forcing more blacks being born.
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@KennySmith
7 hours ago

@BB
Greetin Thumbsberg lol! I’ll be re-using that.
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
If you would like to contribute to the stream please use Entropy:
https://entropystream.live/app/markcollett
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@ChainReaction
7 hours ago
pity streams like this don’t have a 144p vide quality option
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@Sons_of_Odin
7 hours ago
They banned abortion in the USA for the explicit reason that the abortion statistics are going to plummet due to how many women can no longer get pregnant anymore after the covid vaccine and they don’t want people asking questions.
So to cover it they banned abortion, it’s as simple as that.
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@Archie.Bunker
7 hours ago

@Nobody
The problem isn’t just the Zios that cry “antisemitism” if truth is spoken to their power. The other problem is the political correctness by all other alien cultures
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
I can’t see your name but I was the same way. No idea really why I could see through it all since I was a kid. I think it might be a mix of certain personality traits. The book American Extremist is said to discuss the subject of why we are different
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@KennySmith
7 hours ago

@BritishGammon
Thank you. Sub to this man’s channel folks.
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@Nobody
7 hours ago
I am being targeted by blacks and an Iranian and do you think there’s a White group that I can get support from in Europe? No. There’s no unity. You can only believe in so much BS before waking up.
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@ReedJohnson
7 hours ago

@Carlota
yeah, there’s definitely something wrong with Greta
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
Roes be mad LOL
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@Archie.Bunker
7 hours ago
Re: “Politicians that have the …” I am referring to Boris Johnson and Priti Patel. They don’t put their money where their mouth is.
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@Nobody
7 hours ago
The thing is we are in this situation because of corrupt Whites that let the Jews in and now because of the brainwashed ones that hate their own people and love other races.
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@Nobody
7 hours ago

@Horatius
I know I can’t compare other to me, I was reading Mein Kampf when I was a kid, I never felt sorry for the holocaust even when I thought it was real as a kid, but people in general are stupid, no matter the race. I’m White so I want Europe to be 100%
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@Archie.Bunker
7 hours ago
Politicians that have the strongest principle are “populists.” All others lie to pander to the largest mass in order to hold power and push their ideology.
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@Duncan_Onzog
7 hours ago

@Horatius
yep
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@Nobody
7 hours ago
If you want to see all the pajeets in the British parliament, here’s my cartoon celebrating the Queen’s Kwanzaa
https://gab.com/nooneisperfect/posts/108192696141444517
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@ChainReaction
7 hours ago
nice

@Archie.Bunker
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@Horatius
7 hours ago
whites are not stupid. they are living under terrorism perpetrated by a psychotic genocidal cult. maybe propagandized to be gullible and naive and trust the hierarchy way too much
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@Nobody
7 hours ago
If you want to see all the pajeets in the British parliament, here’s my cartoon celebrating the Queen’s Kwanzaa
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@BeerHallPooch
7 hours ago
“Everything I do is for the love of my own, not for the hatred of others”
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@deadeye30o6
7 hours ago
and bring the ones with blood on there hands to trial and make sure there is a RECORD of there crimes
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@Archie.Bunker
7 hours ago
The New American has a video of Daniel Natal titled “Bargaining With A Chimp” that’s about how progressives pull conservatives towards social degeneration.
https://thenewamerican.com/bargaining-with-a-chimp/
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
it’s not just scolding it’s psychological warfare and abuse
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
She looks like she has down syndrome, with those asiatic eyes of hers
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
just 6 more years goyim
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@Sons_of_Odin
8 hours ago
she has autism not down syndrome lol
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
White people are just stupid and their relative nobility (compared to other races) is their own downfall. At one point you stop feeling sorry for imbeciles.
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
The hand-rubbers have their ecology too: They are parasites who cannot live without us.
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
evolved past animalistic traits? no but whites built civilizations which pushed down those traits and ostracized those who gave into the 7 deadly sins and other hedonism and debauchery
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@BritishGammon
8 hours ago
If the UK is “over populated” why then did the Tories import 1 million foreigners last year?
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
hypocrisy is their stock and trade!
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
“starving kids in Ethiopia” I never heard the end of that one
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@Sons_of_Odin
8 hours ago
my mate is having his 7th child this year
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
We wear clothes and build houses.
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@LauraTowler
8 hours ago
If you would like to contribute to the stream please use Entropy:
https://entropystream.live/app/markcollett
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
Humans have their ecology, which is their extended phenotype.
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@Nobody
8 hours ago

@Horatius
you think people have evolved from their animalistic traits? Only a few Whites throughout the ages have, maybe some Japanese.
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
the problem is people in the west just tolerate these scamers to much just kick them out
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
just because something happens, doesn’t make it right
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
The book being discussed this evening can be found here:
https://www.claymorebooks.co.uk/shop/
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@KennySmith
haha, indeed
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
because they want people to revert back to being just animals as part of their humiliation ritual
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
Animals do things in tune with nature. Animals > Human animals
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@Ancientworld
8 hours ago
Sgt Pepper
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@Ancientworld
8 hours ago
on the Beatles album
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
I’m a centrist myself
https://preview.redd.it/yh42m1ir4in41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5f3832928ae44a644e6382537f16106ff8ac2ddb
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@0KT0BER
8 hours ago
theyve been renovating/rebuilding Boleskine, Crowleys house on the quiet
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@KennySmith
8 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
But how white will it get your whites?
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
thats because the jew is always scamming every one even legitimate clams if they can, they’ll will milk every one what there woth regardless
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
Have you heard of the news about that Ethan Melzer guy? I haven’t had the opportunity yet to read it, no sources seemed to be very reliable.
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago

@KennySmith
Glad we agree
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@Sons_of_Odin
8 hours ago
i spent 15 hours a day for 2 months solid debunking the holocaust. It was the good days back before the mass banning of information.
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
Libtards will move the goal posts as follows: If you document the evidence that there were no homicidal gas chambers then the reply will be “well, the nazis certainly committed atrocities.”
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
I know I know
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@Dewitt
jewish lives matter more than yours
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
always amused me – yanks bomb supplie lines – then wonder abt starving inmates – wtf…
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
the films show prisoners that were starving because the rail lines and infrastructure were bombed and food could go no longer get there. why would they allow them to live?? lol. you have no answer to that. the guards could of just shot them and split
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@Natty
correction: a washing machine connected to the internet that spies on you
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
60 – 120 milion Christian Whites exterminated by jew communism
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
I’m not supporting Barnes, merely saying it was a good idea. Brons looks like a cuddly uncle and and is well spoken and knows more of the Cause. It would have been much better

@KennySmith
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
It’s a made-up figure and the burden of proof is on those claiming such a number.
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
Forget about that Holodomor stuff the (((commies))) committed goyim, only the Jews deaths matter
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
in the East during peak war a few hungarian jews might have been executed due to threat n terrorism – all countries have done far worse
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@schintzellove
8 hours ago
Thanks sons of odin
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
Natty saw the meme from yesterday, of the woman that supports abortion lying on the couch with wine, cats, crying.
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
wine aunty!
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
and 24 million have been saved
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@regnark
8 hours ago
That’s why 12 millions get reparations.
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
sorry they have films of the camps of prisoners in them when they free them
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@Sons_of_Odin
8 hours ago
that link is a keeper
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@Sons_of_Odin
8 hours ago
PDF of the official redcross investigation into total deaths in the camps
https://archive.org/details/ReportOfTheInternationalCommitteeOfTheRedCrossOnItsActivitiesDuring/ReportOfTheInternationalCommitteeOfTheRedCrossOnItsActivitiesDuringTheSecondWorldWarseptember11939-June301947Vol.2/
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@KennySmith
8 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
Barnes the unqualified legal eagle lol! Even broken clocks are correct twice a day. One Lamp’s yes men buttered him up and he was not ready for it. He was no longer used to combating the dissenting voice.
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
dude they have file of the camps of prisoners in them when they free them
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
only 6 million out of 6 million survived the holohoax
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
laughter is deadly
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
plenty of proof that it couldn’t have happened, even the number on the plaque kept changing, which is why it was made illegal to question
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
HEY NICK FUENTES BELIEBERS IN THE HUWHITE RACE
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
know your audience and your target demographic
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@Horatius
8 hours ago

@dead
there are no records and they have no proof. look into it because you’ve been lied to
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
Guys are there groups where we can get vetted to do normal activities and befriend people in our sphere in Southern Europe?
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
the tide of laughter has turned at that point
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@PureNomad
8 hours ago
damn wish I’d have caught the start
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
so you really can’t say it didn’t happen
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
records of what?
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
blackpilled talked about how all the movie industry heads went to the concentration camps in 45 and came back to the U S and didn’t mention a Holocaust or anything at all
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
They say because it’s so “bad” that if you question it, you’re evil and there’s room for “misinformation”.
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
well they do got records of it though
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
I’ll keep saying it: Lee Barnes was right is proposing pulling Griffo at the last minute and sending Brons instead.

@KennySmith
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@JohanFredrickson1290
8 hours ago
wheres the reciepts
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@Horatius
as useless as tits on a bull
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
Mark snapping a Roman?
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
oh give me that chance just once…
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
debating a libshit is like trying to nail jello to a wall
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
Ok if we’re going down that route, Uncle A
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@Nobody
8 hours ago
Good evening. Trying to stay cool while being targeted by blacks and an Iranian in Europe. I wish I had friends in our sphere but I live in a melting pot in Europe.
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@Sons_of_Odin
8 hours ago
mosley, my fave as well
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@JohanFredrickson1290
8 hours ago
^^^
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@BB
8 hours ago
mosley
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
Apart from Bowden, who’s the best Nat speaker???? Arthur Kemp for me
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
global warming hoax has exposed the science industry, paid for by government, as completely corrupt and converged
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
brutality and savagery is a virtue in debating. Or rather, there’s debating, and then there’s intellectual combat
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@BritishGammon
8 hours ago

@Hobbit-Habit
What do you mean by “green”?
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
Physical anthropology was killed by (((Boaz))).
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
even when it does they discard it because you quoted it
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@LauraTowler
8 hours ago
If you would like to contribute to the stream please use Entropy:
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
They will deconstruct “greenness.”
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
whats wrong goy you don’t like my arguments
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@Carlota
you know that
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
gotta have the (((peers))) check it out for “truth”
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@Miss_Right
8 hours ago

@Hobbit-Habit
Yes, I have the .PDF, I’d like a printed copy – maybe I can get it printed in a “Pocket Constitution” format
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@Horatius
8 hours ago

@Bill
you can’t like on your phone until the video is uploaded after
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
Iron fist in velvet glove. Laura is bad ass
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
the public wants to be entertained as they’re influenced
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@Hobbit-Habit
Haha, nice. I like raptors
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@LauraTowler
8 hours ago
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
It’s a literary velociraptor’s sickle claw.
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
yeah, combo phrases and strategically placed insults are fun too. Mark’s good at that
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@BillAtheling
8 hours ago
97 currently watching on Odysee 47 likes, come on folks….
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
#Basedkenny
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@deadeye30o6
8 hours ago
oy vey
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
propaganda articles and propaganda studies are created on purpose to be used by activists later
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
Dr Shlomo Chickenswinger says….
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@PureNomad
8 hours ago
cool nattys back on the book review show
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@Nordic_Warrior14
8 hours ago
Lol
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
hahaha
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@Horatius
8 hours ago
meet rhetoric with rhetoric. dialectic with dialectic. also most people are rhetorical thinkers so rhetoric will work much better on them. speaking dialectally to them is like speakinga foreign language. pointless
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@Carlota
8 hours ago
Trump owned hostile interviewers by making the audience laugh without even having to address the questions
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
Soy Squared!
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@MarkCollett
100%. Laughter is deadly, highly-effective, and totally underrated. Make them laugh and they will love you and your message.
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@sparkofspirit
8 hours ago
spiteful mutants
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago

@Miss_Right
You can find the pdf on the “wayback machine.”
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@Sons_of_Odin
8 hours ago
I like the sound of this book, i think I will buy it
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
Perhaps some light facts and figures where effective, but yeah, the public doesn’t really care about “muh facts”. They do however, love wit
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
humiliating a bad faith opponent is always a crowd pleaser. The crowd loves it
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
Tollah’s a cheeky monkey
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@Miss_Right
8 hours ago

@KennySmith
Do you ship to the U.S. ?
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
haha, that’s a pretty funny rebuttal
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
If you would like to contribute to the stream please use Entropy:
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
“racist!” I just laugh and say, “spare me you meaningless cliches -they have no power with me”
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
human rights don’t apply to whites, by their standard anyway
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@KennySmith
8 hours ago

@Miss_Right
Only via the website for now.
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
LOL. No wonder I was lost
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@BillAtheling
8 hours ago
lol you wrote ty (I guess for ta), ty is the Welsh word for house
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
You’ve lost me, mate???????

@BillAtheling
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@JohanFredrickson1290
8 hours ago
Evening all
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
haha, what (((group))) was helping to fund colonialism? As usual, no legs to stand on
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
Libtards are knuckle-dragging halfwits.
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@BillAtheling
8 hours ago
ty … house

@BeerHallPooch
?
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@Miss_Right
8 hours ago
Claymore doesn’t (yet?) ship to the ‘States.
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
the public appreciates dominance with style and panache
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
ty
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@BillAtheling
8 hours ago
WALES
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
Excellent. Puts my mind at rest.

@BillAtheling
What region are you (if you can say here)?
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
TA ^
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@Miss_Right
8 hours ago
Where is it available in the ‘States?
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@BillAtheling
8 hours ago
Mike Lynch

@ChainReaction
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@ChainReaction
8 hours ago
who was the guy that humiliated piers morgan?
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@BillAtheling
8 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
they will be, my lad’s in PA too and my kids are all ‘red pilled’
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
PM Nick
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
“Failure to prepare, is preparing to fail”
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago

@BillAtheling
Futher to what me and Kenny were just saying, please ensure the books will be preserved within the Movement. I dread to think how many Nat books have ended in the bin after deaths
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
Agreed. It’s not for everyone.
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@Hobbit-Habit
I like e-books too. You’d be surprised how much ground you can cover on your phone with life’s dead time (waiting in line, doctor’s office, etc.)
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@BillAtheling
8 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
yes, me too, lots of reference encyclopedias, etc. pre’woke’… surrounded by books here ready for the next generation….
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@Miss_Right
8 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
same here. paper is my friend
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
I struggle to read digital books. It’s just not the same
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
^^ out of the gate
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@Miss_Right
8 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
agreed, Mark’s on point today
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@KennySmith
8 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
Good on both of you. I couldn’t agree more.
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
I’m used to reading digital books.
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@Miss_Right
8 hours ago
Laura said she likes to read Kai Murros speeches in chapters at her leisure.
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
“All killer, no filler” is a fantastic phrase
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
are*
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago
Nice one

@KennySmith
Glad to hear that. Myself and Fenek Solore have extensive libraries. We need to ensure they and suitably passed on
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@14Ways
If Mark comes off Red Bull now, he’ll likely die from the withdrawal
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@14Ways
8 hours ago
Mark need to change his diet
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
A Readers Digest condensed book.
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
many writers take too long getting to the point and being careless with the reader’s time
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago
^ good thinking
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@BeerHallPooch
8 hours ago

@KennySmith
Bad loss. I keep banging on about folk ensuring their wills and book collections go to a good home within the Movement
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@KennySmith
8 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
Not sure what happened to his set up after he passed away.
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@ReedJohnson
8 hours ago

@Hobbit-Habit
Indeed
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@LauraTowler
8 hours ago
If you would like to contribute to the stream please use Entropy:
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@Dewitt
8 hours ago
o/
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@Rill
8 hours ago
dulcet tones
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@Hobbit-Habit
8 hours ago
Verbal ammunition.
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@Hobbit-Habit
9 hours ago
My kinda book.
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
Hear hear
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@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago
facts and truth are not always enough; rhetorical sparring skills, however, count
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@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago
short and sweet
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@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago
“educate them to stay in the struggle”, I like the sound of that
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@BeerHallPooch
9 hours ago
What happened to Anthony Hancock’s printing op at Liss House, Hants?????????????????
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@deadeye30o6
9 hours ago
like the slavs etc, etc
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@deadeye30o6
9 hours ago
what about eastern europeans
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@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago
^ haha, yes indeed
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@Hobbit-Habit
9 hours ago
We have reality on our side.
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@Miss_Right
9 hours ago
‘When we win – and we WILL win….”
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@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago
when we take power, the beans will be worth more
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@Murderbaycasual
9 hours ago
14
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@14Ways
9 hours ago
14
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@Hobbit-Habit
9 hours ago
Odysee is the Model T of video platforms.
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@simmons6319.2
9 hours ago
1⃣4⃣
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@deadeye30o6
9 hours ago
14 all the way
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@Miss_Right
9 hours ago
14 everyone
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@deadeye30o6
9 hours ago
hello
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@ChainReaction
9 hours ago
looking forward to this
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago
lmao…
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@BeerHallPooch
9 hours ago
What time does Spoons stop Sunday dinner????????? LOL
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@Hobbit-Habit
9 hours ago
88, all!
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@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago
^ that sounds tasty
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@BeerHallPooch
9 hours ago
Beef and mustard, baby carrots, that really dark cabbage, garden peas… kin starving now
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
and roasties cooked in beef dripping mmm
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago
lol
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@BeerHallPooch
9 hours ago
STOP, Bill! I’ve only had fishcakes and chips! LOL
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch

@LauraTowler
and of course home made gravy from the stock…
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@ChainReaction
9 hours ago
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago

@BeerHallPooch
yes, we cook the beef overnight slowly…
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@BeerHallPooch
9 hours ago
Yorks pud at least then. Beef is my fav
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@LauraTowler
9 hours ago
Ooh sounds lush!
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@ChainReaction
9 hours ago
Hᴇɪʟ Bʀᴏᴛʜᴇʀs ᴀɴᴅ Sɪsᴛᴇʀs \ᴏ \ᴏ \ᴏ
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago
Roast chicken, veg and Yorkshires
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@BeerHallPooch
9 hours ago
Superchats, questions, comments.
https://entropystream.live/app/markcollett
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago
just finishing a late Sunday roast as I listen!
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@LauraTowler
9 hours ago
Hey Bill
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@BillAtheling
9 hours ago
evening folks, evening

@LauraTowler
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@LauraTowler
9 hours ago
Good evening
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@Rill
9 hours ago
evening
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@DairyMilkDisciple
9 hours ago
very interested in this one. had the opportunity to talk about the GT red squirrel pin and what it means to some normie veterans recently and really wasn’t able to get the message across
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@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago
Good evening patriots
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Mark Collett – Interview with a Times Journalist – Oct 15, 2021 — Transcript

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[Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British movement, Patriotic Alternative, and Laura Towler, deputy leader, are interviewed (on Sep 23, 2021) by Dominic Kennedy, a investigative reporter for The Times, about Patriotic Alternative.

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Mark Collett

Interview with a

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Oct 15, 2021

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[00:00]

Mark Collett: On Thursday the 23rd of September, myself and Laura Towler met with Dominic Kennedy in a conference room in a hotel in Leeds. Dominic Kennedy is an investigative reporter working for The Times, Britain’s paper of record. Dominic Kennedy and The Times had spent six months investigating myself and Patriotic Alternative, with a view to publishing an expose.

Before this article was published we were given an opportunity to answer a series of questions. And we did. We not only answered those questions, but we asked a number of questions of our own. And we also recorded the entire exchange. Many people listening will have read the article.

But now, you can hear the full uncut interview with Dominic Kennedy, and come to your own conclusions about the way in which we were portrayed in the article that The Times chose to publish.

Dominic Kennedy: I’m just [words unclear] Okay? Now what I’m going to do. I’m going to do it deliberately, so you can see it. Is, I’m going to switch on audio.

Mark Collett: Okay. So you’ll be recording this meeting?

Dominic Kennedy: Yes. And the real reason to record the meeting is well, I’m not going to record this, so …

Mark Collett: Is this audio, or visual and audio?

Dominic Kennedy: No, it’s not. So okay, this is my iPhone.

Mark Collett: Yeah, that’s fine. We consent on recording, do you consent on recording.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And just to be clear I wanted to make sure that you’re aware that there’s an audio recording on.

Mark Collett: Yes,

Dominic Kennedy: Because I am aware that you have been both bugged, and also had experience of audio being recorded without you necessarily realizing it’s happening.

Mark Collett: Okay.

Dominic Kennedy: I don’t want that to be a misunderstanding.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: I’m going to also put on a different backup audio device.

Mark Collett: Yep.

Dominic Kennedy: And this is really, because, actually I’ll take shorter notes. But really this is to.

Mark Collett: No, we completely understand.

Dominic Kennedy: This is just so that if we can’t remember what was said or don’t agree.

Mark Collett: No, no. I have also brought some notes of my own, and a copy of my book as well.

Dominic Kennedy: I’ve got your, …

Mark Collett: You’ve got my book!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah!

Mark Collett: Well that’s really interesting, because I maybe I could ask you a question?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: You sent Laura an email yesterday with a quote from my book.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: Now have you actually read my book in its entirety?

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: So why did you choose to take one part of the book and misrepresent it in a defamatory manner?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, well, I’m putting a suggestion to both of you. I’m not publishing anything, certainly at this stage. And the point of that was to put the point to you, and give you the opportunity to come back, …

Mark Collett: No, but you’ve read the book.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And the book, … You must acknowledge that in this book – and I bought it with me. So you can see it in print.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And it’s available for free, so anyone can check it.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: In this book I make a big point, that firstly I don’t believe there will ever be a race war.

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

Mark Collett: I secondly make a point that those who claim there is going to be a race war are doing something and saying something that harms the nationalist cause.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And I take a dim view of that. And I’m just interested to know why you took a small section of this book, which is actually beneath a paragraph, …

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: Where I am saying that the people doing this are bad for the cause, shouldn’t be doing it, put the public off. And are actually spreading something that isn’t true. I don’t know why you do that Dominic. Because I think it, … It didn’t throw me. But I felt to cherry-pick something like that when you say you read the book. Now if you said you hadn’t read the book. And that was presented to you, …

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Then it might be misleading in some way and somebody could, … But for somebody who’d read the book – and I’ve seen the response Laura sent you – there are copy and paste paragraphs where I lay out in depth, that the whole idea of a race war is nonsensical and damaging to our cause, the nationalist cause. Not your cause, our cause.

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

Mark Collett: And I also believe that the book clearly states that the only way forward is community action, and self-betterment. And community action and self-betterment is completely legal! That is a political aim! And I’m just a bit surprised. I didn’t know whether you had anything to say about that, why you chose to misleadingly pull that one bit out, and pretend I was saying something I wasn’t.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Is that like what you’re trying to do with this article?

Dominic Kennedy: No. It’s not. And also, I’m not sure I entirely accept your representation of that. Thank you for your robust email exchange which I appreciated. And I’ve taken the points that you’re making as well.

[05:03]

Now the, … If you go from that quotation, which is the quotation that I put, which is about what would be necessary if you were preparing for a race war, those appear to be some of the things that Patriotic Alternative is doing, with its fitness groups. Okay? Now, I think it’s reasonable to ask, is that what’s happening? Is that, …

Mark Collett: Can I answer that?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Absolutely not! Would it be reasonable to say that meeting in parks, we’re not meeting in secret gyms, we’re meeting outdoors in parks. We’re doing things like bleak [sp] tests, star jumps, general fitness. Would it be reasonable to say that health and fitness groups are part of legal, aboveboard, active communities, that care about the health and well-being of their members? Yes, they are.

Obviously physical and mental health is something that we are interested in. You know, because you’ve been investigating me for six months, I spend a lot of time at the gym. I used to be an avid mountain biker – I haven’t done it for a while. I’m an avid runner. I take part in assault courses and things like that.

None of that has anything to do with violence. It is to do with my personal fitness and well-being. And you are probably a few years older than me?

Dominic Kennedy: I am.

Mark Collett: So I’m 41 this year. And you will know yourself when you hit that age it is very easy to get out of shape. It’s very easy to lose your fitness. And I am very, very active in ensuring that I don’t lose my fitness. Because I think when people do, it often leads to a worse state of not only physical well-being, but mental well-being.

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

Mark Collett: And team building between groups of people, … And this is very interesting as well, you focused on our fitness groups.

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

Mark Collett: But that is again taking something very much out of context. We have baking competitions.

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

Mark Collett: We have artistic events where people paint, produce music. We have gaming events. We have book clubs. We have all manner of different activities.

We go running together. These things when contextualized are part of a wider community approach that we have, that brings people together. Because we want people who are our supporters to come together, make friends, form a community. Because we are committed to community-based activity.

And one of the key points. And I’m sure you have been furnished with one of these. If you haven’t I can get Laura to send you one, or I will send you one, straight after this meeting. But you must have been furnished, and please tell me if you haven’t.

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

Mark Collett: With one, or more copies of our code of conduct?

Dominic Kennedy: No.

Mark Collett: Okay we will furnish you that. Our code of conduct clearly states – and we will send you this from previous events. The codes of conduct differ slightly each time. And I will tell you why they differ. So there is no misunderstanding. If we hold outdoor events such as hikes, we have parts of our code of conduct which are about keeping your dog on a lead.

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

Mark Collett: We also have parts about picking up litter and respecting the environment. If we have a code of conduct at, that is written specifically for an indoor conference, where members of staff will be serving tea and coffee, we have sections about being polite to the hotel staff, which is understandable.

But the core of our code of conduct is that anyone coming to our events, that either A) uses racial slurs, B) endorses, or calls for any form of violence, or C) endorses, or calls for any form of terrorism, is asked to leave! We do not tolerate that kind of behavior at our events.

And if somebody comes to me and says somebody has done that, we will look at the severity of the situation, and those people will be warned, or asked to leave. We have a code of conduct dealing with that. Because we are an absolutely peaceful organization that seeks political change through community building.

Dominic Kennedy: Mmm.

Mark Collett: And if you look at our website, you will see that everything on there is about litter picks – that’s another thing we do. We’ve got a Harvest Festival coming up. We’ve gone out and fed the homeless. We do activities like that all over the country on a weekly, or monthly basis, depending on the location. Those things are clearly – I think you’ll agree – they’re not violent activities are they?

Dominic Kennedy: No, I agree.

[10:00]

Mark Collett: And if you take a fitness group and you put it in the context of everything else that’s happening, and you contextualize it correctly, as I am doing now, it is not sinister! It would be sinister, if it was attached to another group that was calling for things that we are not calling for. But it would be unfair and there are hours of recordings of me saying, that I do not believe in violence.

I do not, I totally dispute the idea of the being some kind of great conflict. That is in my book. And there is enough copies of that out there! I am committed to doing things in a peaceful manner. And that’s why I’m here talking to you today.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, thank you very much.

Laura Towler: In addition, if I might add something.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: I find it bizarre that there’s an accusation that people exercising must be, because of violence. I mean one of the reasons why I decided to get fit and healthy is, because my husband and I wanted a child.

So we began trying to conceive. And I wanted to be as physically fit and healthy as I could for my daughter. We also have a charity run [coughing], excuse me, coming up within the next month. Lots of people are training for the charity run. So we can raise some money for that.

They’re not training for something that we advocate against. That’s bizarre to me.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Now thank you and I am here to listen, and I’m listening to everything that you say, and taking note of what you’re saying. Okay? I’ll still put questions to you.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: So, because otherwise, …

Mark Collett: I think that’s the most important, that’s the most important thing I wanted to get over. That I feel that you have misrepresented me. You have put things in a way that paints my words in a defamatory manner. That’s not the way they’re intended and the proof is all there. That’s why I bought a copy of the book [chuckling]. And I am very eager to ensure, … That’s why I came today, that I am represented exactly as I wish to be intended.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Because misrepresentation is something that can damage my reputation! It can damage the reputation of the group that I represent. And it can damage the reputation of people associated with that group.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: And I am very clear to make sure, I’m here to make sure that that doesn’t happen.

Dominic Kennedy: Good. Now what you said in the book is that a race war is highly unlikely. And even if there was, Western man would not fare favorably.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: Is that still your opinion?

Mark Collett: What, that a race war would be highly unlikely?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: The book was written in 2016

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: Quite a lot has happened since 2016, especially in the United States to do with racial conflict and racial tensions, …

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: Leading to violence.

Mark Collett: There will be, there may well be flare-ups in terms of violence between groups on smaller levels. But there will not be a race war! We have seen things like riots, and you have seen riots, you’ve seen anti-White racist attacks in America. We have seen anti-White racist attacks here in the UK.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: You have seen vicious anti-White racism in countries like South Africa, where rule has been transferred away from people of European descent to people who aren’t of European descent. We have seen land seizures, we have seen rapes, we have seen murders. And we are not saying there is going to be conflict on a gigantic scale.

But we are saying that we believe, due to the narrative that the establishment and the media pushes, that White people will increasingly become victims of these kind of attacks. And White people, as an ethnic group – so White Britons in this country, or White Anglo-Saxon Protestants in America – are the most atomized and isolated people. They are people who do not come together for their own ethnic interests.

Whereas almost every other group not only does that, but are encouraged by the establishment and the media to do that. And we simply want to advocate peacefully for our rights as every other racial group is encouraged to do!

So I’ll give you an example. When people march through London with “Black Lives Matter” banners, it is cheered on by the media. When there are Covid restrictions in place, which prevents large gatherings, and “Black Lives Matter” march through London these people are given a free pass, despite everyone else being told they can’t gather.

Yet when somebody goes on a hike and holds up a White Lives Matter banner, everyone is gasping! Well we are allowed to say that the lives of people from our ethnic group matter! That is surely not something that is objectionable.

And we are also allowed to advocate for the rights of our people when horrific crimes are perpetrated against our people, then ignored by the media, or by the establishment, or are played down in a way that minimizes the suffering of people who have suffered greatly.

Whereas if the races were reversed in those crimes, the suffering of the victim would be maximized and everyone would hear about it. We are really calling for nothing more than equal treatment for people of European descent.

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And we’re doing so peacefully.

Dominic Kennedy: Now, you know, Al-Muhajiroun, don’t you?

Mark Collett: I have heard of them, yes. I’m aware of them as a group. I have never looked into them I haven’t got, yeah, extensive knowledge of them.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I mean, they, … I think you might have staged a protest against them a very long time ago. Which was about the 9/11 attack, celebrating 9/11.

Mark Collett: I believe the protest you’re talking about was outside a mosque in London.

Dominic Kennedy: Probably the Finsbury Park Mosque.

Mark Collett: The Finsbury Park Mosque.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And if I remember correctly, because this was a long time ago! I think this was about the year 2000, or 2001. I don’t believe the leaflets were specifically about the group you’ve mentioned.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: To the best of my recollection. And this is a long time ago, so normally people aren’t meant to remember the wording of a leaflet that came out 20 years ago. Would you think that’s reasonable, that I would not necessarily remember what was on it?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: My recollection of that night is we went down there and we were protesting about what was being preached in that particular mosque. I cannot remember the name of the group on the leaflet.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Or even if a name of a group was on, said leaflets.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, okay. Now thank you. Al-Muhajiroun was a group. But when I first encountered them they had a Sheikh called Sheikh Bakri Muhammad based at the Finsbury Park Mosque.

And at that time they were kind of basically doing exercises like running around in fields, getting guys to be fit, getting young men to go and do all that kind of thing. Which didn’t, doesn’t look completely different from the fitness groups that you’ve got. And I remember saying at the time to people who were concerned about this:

“This is just Muslim Boy Scouts. There’s nothing to worry about here.”

That was very naive of me. Because over the next 20 years they became the main source of terror plots in Britain. And they’re responsible for the killers of Lee Rigby, the London bombings, and the aeroplane plot, as well.

Now I spoke to a security expert, who is familiar with Al-Muhajiroun. He’s just concerned that this type of activity, physical training, with a political purpose, …

Mark Collett: There isn’t a political purpose to the physical training. The physical training, as I said,

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

Mark Collett: Is for people’s health and fitness. And it’s to build community bonds. And I think comparing us to a completely different group, run by completely different people, with completely different objectives, is very, very tenuous! I think this is a very, very tenuous point you’re making here!

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Now, I’d be very interested to hear what this security expert says. And I’d also be very interested to hear if the group that you are very misleadingly trying to connect us, or compare us to, also did all the other community activities we did, and were above board in the way we were, or where we are.

The fact of the matter is, I don’t think that, because one group holds fitness events, then becomes something unconscionable. You can say that every group that holds fitness events will also become what that terrible group became. That would be very unfair.

Laura Towler: Yeah, that’s a very strange argument. That’s like saying:

“This mass murderer was a vegetarian. You’re also a vegetarian. You’re going to do what he did.”

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Laura Towler: I mean, we only advocate for peaceful community building. We have a applications they’ve made with the Electoral Commission so that we can carry out our democratic right as a political party. That’s all we advocate for. And we like to stay fit and healthy.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: That’s it.

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Dominic Kennedy: Are you saying that the fitness groups in Patriotic Alternative, are not political?

Mark Collett: Can you qualify that? Because, what do you mean by “not political”? Because this is very strange! Because obviously we are a group of people that come together with a shared interest in politics.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: People then make friends. And then they do things together as friends. They might play games, they might bake cakes, they might do community outreach things, they might keep fit.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: So obviously, the people do have things in common.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: But to say the fitness groups are political, I’m not even sure what that means. So leafleting would be something that was definitely political.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: A book review may be political, depending on the book you’re reviewing. A baking competition, even though it is being done by a political organization, is it truly political? Is doing star jumps in a field, political? I’m asking you that Dominic. Because I think it’s a very strange and leading question to ask.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Which really doesn’t have any sensible, or qualifiable answer.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. I’ll take your point. Now, what started us off was, looking at Patriotic Alternative was the Sarah Khan Report. Now, one of my colleagues reported on the Sarah Khan Report. And I know you take exception to it.

Mark Collett: No. We’ve issued a full response. Have you got a copy of that?

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, I’ve read that, yeah. And I believe that you didn’t get a response.

Mark Collett: We’ve not got any response! We’ve not got a meeting, …

Laura Towler: She’s retired, …

Mark Collett: Yep, she’s retired. But we didn’t even get a response from her. We were told it would be forwarded to the people who authored the report. They haven’t issued a response. We made it clear, numerous times in our response, what our aims and objectives were.

We pointed out that we were committed to peaceful change! And we also pointed out that taking away Avenues for peaceful change and political discourse, is actually very dangerous.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: And it almost also must be pointed out in the Sara Khan Report, that Sarah Khan said:

“We were operating within the law.”

And I find it. And I don’t know what you think about this, but when a government says:

“This group is operating within the law. So we want to change the law to make sure they’re operating outside of the law.”

Does that not sound somewhat tyrannical to you Dominic?

Dominic Kennedy: Well, I’m not going to express an opinion. But I can see that is your opinion.

Mark Collett: No. But what I’m saying is, if somebody isn’t breaking a law. And they are doing everything within the legal system, and legal parameters. And then the government don’t like what they’re saying, so choose to shift those parameters, is that not somewhat unfair?

And I know you’re going to say you can’t express an opinion. But that is what’s called, in any reasonable terminology, moving the goal posts.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I mean, the whole point of this was that she said that the law was inadequate to deal with what she saw was a problem. So she wanted to change the law. And introduce a new law which appeared to kind of have you pretty much in the frame.

Mark Collett: But that’s what I’m saying. So she doesn’t like what we’re saying. She acknowledges what we’re saying is completely legal. She then states that, because she doesn’t like it, and because it’s legal, the government has changed the law, and make what we’re doing illegal!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: So what happens then Dominic, so we say:

“Right, we are going to alter what we say. And we are going to abide by the new laws.”

What happens then? Do they change the law again? Do you change the law every year to chase people who you disagree with? Because that isn’t a democracy! That isn’t freedom of speech! That’s a tyranny!

And then you are walking down the road of heading towards the Soviet Union! Heading towards a system whereby anybody that speaks outside the law, disappears, because they change the law to deal with that person.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: One of the examples that she gave in her report were part of, quote, unquote, “hateful extremism”, was us talking about the White British, the current trajectory that we’re on, being that we’ll be a minority within the United Kingdom by the year 2066.

So it was actually sharing the statistics, which are from the government’s own website, she said was an example of quote, unquote “hateful extremism”. So we’re in a situation now where she wants to, and her colleague, I think Mark Rowley?

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Laura Towler: Mark Rowley, want to make sharing facts from the Conservative Party’s own website, illegal!

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So what my editor said to me was, they’d be interested to know where you get your money from, and how you stay within the law. They were the two initial questions I was, …

Mark Collett: Okay. What else would you like me to say about staying within the law?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And I just said, then going on from that. Starting to look at you and Patriotic Alternative. There’s clearly, I would say you were probably, on your part of the political spectrum, the most chronicled person there’s been since Mosley. You’ve had three TV documentaries about yourself. So there’s been a lot of stuff, …

Mark Collett: Should I take that as a compliment?

Laura Towler: [words unclear] as a compliment [chuckling].

Dominic Kennedy: You can take it which way you like [chuckling]. But I was a bit overwhelmed by the amount of material there already is.

Mark Collett: There’s a huge amount of material about me. But going back to the legal things. Is there anything else you want to add to that section of the interview?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah this is a bit of an introduction, because we didn’t do the introduction because you wanted to raise a point about the email yesterday, which is fine. So this has been an interruption. So there’s a lot of other matters I have looked into. And I’ll raise points about those that are open to inquiry still.

Mark Collett: Okay.

Dominic Kennedy: But also some things have been closed down very much. So to go, … Are you able to get help with the money at all? Where the money comes from? How much money you have?

Mark Collett: Oh! I’m very open about this. Patriotic Alternative is registered with Companies House as a company that is limited by guarantee.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Limited by guarantee is the way that charities and non-profit organizations are set up. We do not exist for profit.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: We will have to give accounts to companies house of anyone who has made a donation to Patriotic Alternative that has gone through Patriotic Alternative’s bank account. We keep the accounts. They are fully up to date. We are very open about that.

Nobody, other than Laura, has taken a wage from Patriotic Alternative, which she did for just four months. And those wages were 500 pounds a month. Now I’m not going to ask you how much you earn a month.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: But I am guessing – you can you tell me if I’m right, or wrong – it’s significantly more than 500 pounds a month.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Yeah. Everything that myself and Laura get, other than that, to support our costs of living are done very openly, via donations made during live streams. I have never taken away from Patriotic Alternatives. You can see exactly what I take in donations from live streams. And every month it amounts to a dollar value of when the processor takes their cut, and all the other things are done, I think it amounts to about 1,400 to 1,500 [US] dollars. Now, at a conversion rate that is not a huge amount of money.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: I think you can agree with that. And I am being very honest.

Now, neither of myself, nor Laura, are paid by the public purse. We are not people who are paid out of taxpayers money. I do not believe the Avenue of questioning you’re going down is particularly fair.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Based on the fact that we are not paid for out of the public purse. And what we have done here – I hope you will agree – is that we have been extremely honest! I have come forth and I’ve given you figures. I’ve explained that donations that go to Patriotic Alternative will be made public through companies house, which they will have to be, because everyone has to submit accounts will be struck off.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And the way I take donations can be seen.

So, if somebody gives a $20 Superchat, of that $20 Superchat, I would get 85% of that. At which point that then has to be converted from dollar value into British pounds, which obviously reduces it. And then there is a small currency conversion fee. This does not leave me making the kind of money that detractors like to claim that I am making! And I am sure as you’ve been investigating me, for the past six months, you have watched some of my streams, yes?

Dominic Kennedy: Oh yes.

Mark Collett: And you will see that I am not, and you must have also seen other streamers, other well-known streamers who make serious amounts of money through YouTube, or their own proprietary platforms. We do not have our own platform like that. Patriotic Alternative has been denied money processing payment facilities. We have made that public.

So Patriotic Alternative, as a group, has not even been allowed to take payments for a number of months! Something that we made public some time ago.

And on top of that, because of my opinions, both myself and Laura, actually have been denied banking facilities with two major banks, despite the fact both of us have never, ever, committed fraud, or have been in arrears with any form of payments to the banks.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Again, this is political repression.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

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And so to clarify then, if you are doing a show and people are making donations during the live stream, which you kind of read out with the messages, and so on, at the end, is that to Patriotic Alternative the limited company, or is that for the presenter? Which is likely, …

Mark Collett: We always make clear at the beginning of the show what the money goes towards. Now with my show I will say at the beginning, those donations go towards either what I see as good causes, or towards my cost of living. Because I think we have to agree Dominic, I do have to eat!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Now, the fact is I will sometimes purchase leaflets and banners to help with events, out of that money, but the money, it states on the stream where it goes. And Laura states on of all of her donation platforms where the money goes. We are very, very honest about that. And we say:

“If you want to support us in that way you can.”

And at one point we used to say:

“If you want to support, send money directly to Patriotic Alternative.”

We will not take out of that. And other than when Laura was taken a wage for just a short number of months, they can do that. People can’t donate there anymore, because of the oppression that we face!

Dominic Kennedy: Why can’t, sorry why can’t they donate to Patriotic Alternative?

Mark Collett: Because we’ve been denied payment processing.

Dominic Kennedy: Right!

Laura Towler: We’ve been suspended from everywhere.

Mark Collett: Yeah! We’ve been denied payment processing through Stripe. And because of that, we cannot attain a payment processor in this country!

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: We have not, … This is a situation we face. So there isn’t huge funding. And I can assure you the money, … How much money do you think we’ve got in our Patriotic Alternative bank account?

Dominic Kennedy: Well, not very much.

Mark Collett: Exactly! Exactly! Not very much! Because we can’t take payments.

Dominic Kennedy: But also, do people want to donate to that company, or do they want to donate to support you, …

Mark Collett: Wait a second. When you say “that company”

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah [words unclear].

Mark Collett: I want to qualify this too. Do you understand why we set up as a company limited by guarantee?

Dominic Kennedy: No.

Mark Collett: And I don’t want this to be mixed up in any way. And I don’t want you to misinform your readers if you do choose to write an article.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: The British National Party was constituted as what is known as an “unincorporated association”

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Do, you know how unincorporated associations work?

Dominic Kennedy: I’m not as a lawyer.

Mark Collett: Would you like me to explain it?

Dominic Kennedy: Please do.

Mark Collett: An “unincorporated association” is essentially a “loose affiliation of people”. And as a legal entity it doesn’t strictly exist. It is a gray area.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: That means that anybody who is a registered office holder, anybody who signs an agreement on behalf of that unincorporated association, or any member, thereof, can be liable for it’s debts.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Now in reality, to say that any member can be liable for it’s debts, technically that’s true. But there has never been a case whereby an unincorporated association has been sued. And all of its members have been brought before the court and asked to chip in to pay a debt. But, there have been cases – several of them with the British National Party – where people who signed agreements on the party’s behalf were taken to court.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Nick Griffin was made bankrupt a second time, because he initiated numerous legal actions on the party’s behalf, but he signed the paperwork. He then refused to pay his legal fees. He was made bankrupt for a second time.

And a man called Adam Walker signed an agreement on the party’s behalf with me. The agreement was not met. And I successfully sued him in a court of law. And it was him who had to bear the burden of those costs. Just as Nick Griffin had to bear the burden of the legal costs, even though those people signed on behalf of the unincorporated association.

By setting up an organization as a company that’s either limited, or limited by guarantee, you protect your office holders, signatories, and ultimately anybody who is a registered member.

We do not have members. We do not charge a membership fee. But it is a legal protection for people.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And this is not something that is irregular. Nigel Farage constituted the Brexit Party in exactly the same way. And so do numerous other parties. And if you look behind organizations like the Conservative Party, or the Labour Party, they will have limited companies set up to deal with things like wages, etcetera.

So if there are legal fallouts, office holders themselves don’t put up their own property as collateral. So is that clear?

Dominic Kennedy: Thank you, yeah.

Mark Collett: And, by the way, we were advised on that by a practicing legal professional in this country. This isn’t something that we’ve just pulled up. This is legal precedent.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And, if I wrote a cheque now to Patriotic Alternative could, …

Mark Collett: We’d have to destroy that.

Laura Towler: We couldn’t, …

Mark Collett: We can’t cash cheques.

Dominic Kennedy: So, yeah? You have no, … Patriotic Alternative has no, …

Mark Collett: At the moment, the only people we could get to open account with, can’t deal with cheques.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: The only way we could take things is via payments via Stripe, by credit card processing. When that was denied to us that was the end of it.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Leaving us as you said, not very much in the bank account!

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Dominic Kennedy: What happened before you were denied the Stripe?

Mark Collett: Well we took, we had a donation button on the website. However, and I want to make this absolutely clear Dominic.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: We have not once sent out a “begging letter”. Do you understand what a begging letter is?

Dominic Kennedy: I can well imagine.

Mark Collett: Are you frequented with groups like Britain First?

Dominic Kennedy: I think I know the point you’re making.

Mark Collett: Yes. They send out on average, three to four emails – sometimes more – per week, asking for funds. We have never sent out an email asking for funds. The only thing we have ever sent out emails for, is if there is an activity, or a particular event that people should be looking out for.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. So you used to have a donation button on the website, …

Mark Collett: But we never sent out emails.

Dominic Kennedy: But someone could read the website and say I want to give, …

Mark Collett: 10, 20 pounds. Whatever they wanted!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Whatever they wanted.

Dominic Kennedy: To this group, …

Mark Collett: These were usually small sums.

Dominic Kennedy: And you could receive those?

Mark Collett: Yes. But we can no longer do that.

Dominic Kennedy: Where does it sort of go to?

Mark Collett: It goes into the bank account?

Dominic Kennedy: But, do you have a bank account, then?

Mark Collett: I’ve just said. We have an account.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: We are not able to process checks with that particular account.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: But we have a bank account. It goes into a bank account in the name of Patriotic Alternative.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: The money sits in there and it is used very sparingly. The biggest outgoing that we have ever paid is quite simply – and Laura can back this up – on web hosting. It is just maintaining the website. That is our one recurring thing per month.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And occasionally if something needs to be purchased, such as PO Box, or something like that. It goes towards that.

Dominic Kennedy: And did Laura’s salary come from that at one point?

Mark Collett: For four months.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay.

Mark Collett: And that salary was 500 pounds.

Dominic Kennedy: Five hundred pounds a month, yeah. So you have a bank account, but the bank cannot process checks, and you cannot receive money online, because you have no online facilities.

Mark Collett: Yes!

Laura Towler: You need a payment processor on the website to be able to take donations.

Mark Collett: Can I ask something? Where this is leading? So obviously you’ve got something. Have you been informed that we’re somehow taking vast sums of money, …

Dominic Kennedy: No.

Mark Collett: Or that there’s some, … Because we’re being more transparent with you now, I hope you can agree, than any other political party would be asked to be, with anybody. Even with their own members.

Dominic Kennedy: Well, you’re being transparent certainly. I can’t compare. But you’re being transparent, …

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: By answering questions. And thank you.

Mark Collett: Okay.

Dominic Kennedy: And, no the reason I’m returning to this, is simply that the first question was asked was, where does the money come from?

Mark Collett: To anybody who chooses to donate based on either coming to the website, seeing someone we like, going to the website, that’s where it came from. It doesn’t come from anywhere, anymore, because people who go and wish to make a donation cannot!

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So how did you lose the payment processing facility?

Mark Collett: People complained! People complained to Stripe. There was a campaign by our political opponents, by people who want to silence freedom of speech! And they had it taken away from us. There is nothing we can do to rectify that. So, unfortunately we are in the position we are in. And we run things on a shoestring.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: We lose everything! We lose YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, personal bank accounts, payment processes, anything that we use, we’re then harassed by the far Left, who gets us suspended from things.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So you do have a small amount of money in the Patriotic Alternative.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: But you can’t increase that at the moment. Is that correct?

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: So you’re just stuck with what you’ve got?

Mark Collett: Yeah. Until we get another payment process, which we’re working on. But, because of what’s happened with Stripe, that makes it very difficult. Because, if you are rejected for whatever reason by the biggest, it gets increasingly harder to get anyone else to do it!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And bear in mind, as I said, both myself and Laura have clean criminal records. We’ve never been committed of any offense to do with fraud, or banking malpractice. Yet, we have to face this.

Dominic Kennedy: With the Amazon book, what money does that make? Is that making much money? Does that, …

Mark Collett: No! No [chuckling]! You don’t make much money off a self-published book [laughing]!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: I’m not [laughing], I’ve not written Harry Potter!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, yeah. And you do, and I just want to point this out Dominic, I also feel it’s a bit naughty asking that question, because you’ve been investigating me!

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: You’ve been to my website the fall of westerman.com.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: What is the biggest point on that website, other than the book itself?

Dominic Kennedy: It’s free download.

Mark Collett: It’s free!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: So when you can get something for free, are many people are going to come and pay for it? Now, it’s had a lot of downloads. It’s had over 30,000 downloads. But I can tell you [chuckling] it has had nowhere near that number of sales I don’t know how many it is actually sold in total. But I can tell you it’s nowhere near that.

Dominic Kennedy: And how much does Amazon keep?

Mark Collett: The vast majority! The vast majority!

Dominic Kennedy: I went on Amazon to look for what they keep, and they seem to keep 85%. Would that sound about right?

Mark Collett: Umm, I would say, probably about right. I mean, I to be honest, it’s very small sums each month. It’s not something you could live off. I mean, if you totalled it up, throughout the year, and put it in a little pot, you might have enough for a holiday, or a treat, or something. But it’s not a vast sum of money!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Do, you know how many sales it’s had on Amazon?

Mark Collett: I don’t. If you’d have asked me to bring the sales data, …

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: But you’ve got to remember as well this book launched on the, I think it was the first of January, 2017. So it’s been in circulation for quite a while. So when I give you figures of downloads I’m not even sure how many times it has been downloaded.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: But it was over, the last time I checked it was over 30,000 downloads.

Dominic Kennedy: But, because it’s free, … I mean, that the point, … Is the purpose of the book propaganda, basically? That’s the point isn’t it?

Mark Collett: No! No! The purpose of the book, is that I wrote a book that I thought was an interesting analysis of the current situation we’re in. The book actually helps people to understand how they are being misled and undermined, by what I see as negative influences. And it educates people into how to make something better of their own lives. That is the point of the book.

It’s about a rebirth of individuals. And a lot of people have read this book, and have sent me very, very kind emails, saying:

“I read the book. I didn’t understand where I was going wrong. I had many negative lifestyle traits which I thought were fun, enjoyable. But they were leading me down a dark route. They were damaging me as a person. Thank you for writing the book. And thank you for making it free.”

But the book certainly wasn’t written as a propaganda. I mean, you’ve read!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: It’s not really propaganda is it? It’s not really, you must join a movement, or you must do this, or you must do that. I’m sure you must agree when you actually look at the chapter headings. I mean, the last chapter heading is all about how to make something better of your life. Surely you took that from it?

Dominic Kennedy: So would you basically say the purpose of the book was education?

Mark Collett: Education and self-improvement.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. Then, how have you stayed within the law? [Lol! Dominic, have you stopped beating your wife, yet? Yes, or no!].

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Mark Collett: How have we stayed in the law? Well the law is very clear on things such as incitement. And we don’t incite anybody to do anything illegal. We don’t incite people to hate. We don’t speak hatefully about others.

You must be well aware that there are a number of people who attend Patriotic Alternative events and support us both, by attending events and support us with donations through our streams, who are not of European descent.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: You must be aware of those, because you’ve watched the streams. You must see the names coming up. There are people who support us and attend our events, …

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Who are, some of them are, actually of African descent. Some of them are mixed race, some of them are a number of Arabs, Indian, Japanese, all manner of people from all corners of the world have supported us on these streams. You must see that! You must see the names!

There’s a guy who regularly donates he calls himself “Glenn the Chinaman”. He has said he is of Taiwanese descent. He lives in Japan. He’s been honest about this on the streams. He supports us.

Now this isn’t, … Our group advocates for the interests of people of European descent. But we are very, very happy to work with people of different racial, or ethnic backgrounds. And people like that have never been excluded.

You must have seen pictures from some of our events, where there are women who are half Pakistani, there have been women there who are half Indian. We have had people there who are Egyptian. And there are pictures of me with them.

I have a guy who regularly writes to me, and he is of African descent, and he’s very concerned about mass immigration, about demographic change, in European countries. And he’s overwhelmingly supportive of us.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. But are there certain triggers that you’ve been told about and aware of, which might put you onto the wrong side of the law?

Mark Collett: We just act in a proper manner. So we know, for example, from my experience with the British National Party and their wrangle with the Equalities Commission, about excluding people based on protected characteristics, which is something that we have never done!

And again, this may shock you. But if you came to one of our one of our camps, one of our dinner meetings, one of our fitness meetings, you would see people there of different ethnic groups. We haven’t excluded anyone.

I’ll take it a step further. You have been watching my streams, you must be aware of the service I carry out whereby I help young people with professional CVs. Are you aware of that?

Dominic Kennedy: Not really, to be honest, no.

Mark Collett: Well I do. If there are young people who are attached in any way to our movement, they are struggling getting the job, I coach them. I do what’s called a professional CV for them. And I coach them with their interview techniques.

Now it might shock you. But I have done several CVs for people who are not of European descent, who have then gone on and got jobs, because of it.

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

Mark Collett: So again we do not discriminate against people. We say we stand up, as I said, earlier, peacefully and politically for our ethnic group. And if there are other people from other ethnic groups that say:

“Well that aligns with my thinking. And I want to come and get involved. I want to help. I want to attend events.”

We let them attend events.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Does Robin Tilbrook advise you on [word unclear]

Mark Collett: People know about my relationship with Robin Tilbrook, but he’s not a criminal solicitor. You must be aware he deals with civil law.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And obviously Dominic we are on the same page. I’m just wanting this to clarify this. You do understand the difference between, you obviously understand the difference between civil and criminal law?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: He’s not a criminal solicitor. But we do not do anything that is illegal.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And we are very open to being helped by anybody, and holding out the hand of friendship, to all those who are concerned about the well-being of European descent. Whether they are of European descent, or not.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. What happened leading to your arrest for threats to kill?

Mark Collett: Look! I want to be very clear about that. This was 11 years ago.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: People fell out in the British National Party. The matter was dealt with by the police. The police arrested me. That is true. They did not charge me. No evidence was presented to the police to corroborate the claim. The police released me without charge. As such, I never even went to court, let alone got a criminal record.

Now, whilst I was being investigated for the alleged threats to kill, … And I want to ask you this, because I want to be completely [word unclear]. Do, you know how a “threats to kill” case works?

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Dominic Kennedy: Not specifically.

Mark Collett: Not specifically. Well “threats to kill” case is interesting, because it is somewhat of an anomaly within the British criminal justice system. And not only does the accused, not only does it have to be proved that the accused said what they are accused of saying, but also the accuser has to prove that they themselves were genuinely in fear of their lives. Is that clear?

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

Mark Collett: Do you understand the implications of that?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: The implications are that if you were sat with a friend and you were enjoying yourselves one night and you kept winding him up, or saying something, and he made an off-the-cuff comment. And it was said in jest, you would not be able to prosecute him, because even though he said it, you were not taking it seriously and in fear of your life. So it makes a big difference between off the cuff comments. Now when somebody is being investigated for threats to kill, the accusers are not allowed in any way to make contact with the person they’ve accused. Do you know, why that is?

Dominic Kennedy: Well, that would be perversion of justice.

Mark Collett: No. It’s because it would show that they were not actually in fear of their lives. Because, if you thought somebody was hunting you.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: With the intention of killing you, would you be phoning them and having chats with them?

Dominic Kennedy: Good point.

Mark Collett: Both of the men that accused me, made contact with me numerous times. One of them made contact directly on multiple occasions by a telephone. And at the time I actually recorded those interactions for my own safety. The other one made contact numerous times through a third party, because he believed it didn’t count if you passed little notes to another person. It absolutely counts!

The police called me. They said the case was being completely dropped and dismissed. The officer who called me. I do not remember his name, it was a long time ago. Said:

“He felt that time had been wasted.”

And he felt the whole thing was just a nonsense.

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

Mark Collett: It was never taken any further. And there was never any credible evidence presented to them. And, as I say, I want to underline this. Both of my accusers have had contacted me, undermining the case. And since then one of my accusers has regularly contacted me! Regularly contacted me! And even come to me and repeatedly offered me paid work.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Now if somebody had seriously threatened to murder you Dominic and you’re in position to offer somebody paid work whatever that may be, would you have offered the person who had actually threatened to kill you paid work?

Mark Collett: Yeah, it’s unlikely, isn’t it.

Dominic Kennedy: Very unlikely!

Mark Collett: Well, is it a no, or a yes?

Dominic Kennedy: No I wouldn’t.

Mark Collett: No.

Dominic Kennedy: Was their a tape? Did you ever hear a tape?

Mark Collett: If somebody has cobbled together something that sounds like a tape of me allegedly saying things, as far as I’m concerned, I dismiss that. I have answered this question to the [chuckling] best of my ability.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And the fact of the matter is, it was dealt with by the police. And I think I have fully made clear, that not only did the police dismiss it. Not only do they think it was farcical. But both of my accusers broke all of the protocols when dealing with that case. And one has since repeatedly offered me paid work.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And so, I won’t ask you again. I won’t bother with this again, but did you ever, was that tape ever presented to you? Was it, do you ever, …

Mark Collett: As I said, I’ve never had, no evidence has been presented to me.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And I have said clearly, no evidence was presented to the police.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Now around that time there was obviously an extraordinary thing for one of the senior people in a political party to be arrested on suspicion of threatening to kill somebody else in the political party, in the run up to a general election campaign. That’s quite unusual.

Mark Collett: It is extraordinary, it is.

Dominic Kennedy: So there was obviously feuding and disputes going on within the BNP at that time.

Mark Collett: Indeed there was.

Dominic Kennedy: And one of the things that was being said was that you were taking a mark-up on the print works that you were ordering, for things like, …

Mark Collett: That is absolutely untrue!

Dominic Kennedy: But it was being said, was it?

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Mark Collett: Nick Griffin, … This is something that needs quite a bit of explanation. Because there’s, … I think it’s very unfair you’re asking me about this, … Because again before I go and give you an answer, which I possibly shouldn’t even bother doing. Because firstly I have never been arrested. No information has ever been passed to the police. I have never been charged. And I have never been found guilty of anything!

And I certainly have never misappropriated any funds like that. However I was carrying out work on behalf of the British National Party. And when you print large quantities of leaflets, sometimes you put different groups of printing together to reduce overall costs.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: Do, you know how print runs work? You don’t? Okay. Let’s say you have one leaflet you’re printing one leaflet, 5,000 copies of said leaflet. If you go to what is known as a lithographic press. And you get one set of 5,000 leaflets printed, that will cost you quite a bit of money. And the reason it costs you quite a bit of money is to set up lifographic presses. There is a setup cost of what is known as plates. Are you aware of that?

Dominic Kennedy: Right.

Mark Collett: And the setting up of the press is the largest cost. The paper in the ink is the cheap bit. So what we used to do, is we used to say:

“If you are standing an election, and you want 5,000 leaflets, try to find three other people who also want five thousand leaflets.”

Because four leaflets can be printed on the press at the same time. Then you get what is known as economics of scale. You are familiar with that?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Economics of scale mean that that large setup cost is split between the four different people who are having their leaflets printed. Now sometimes you end up with three people who want five thousand leaflets and your fourth only wants four thousand.

Now if you were to print the three five thousands together, they would split the setup costs. Which let’s say the setup cost of 250 pounds. They’re split three ways. But then you would have to set up a completely different set of plates, films, and set up the press for the one set of four thousand. Or you can put the one set of four thousand in with the five thousand, so the press is completely full. But you then say to the people:

“You’re all getting your leaflets cheaper. But Mr Four Thousand has actually got 5,000 leaflets and has to pay the same amount as the five 5,000 guys.”

But that’s still significantly cheaper than if he’d had the press on his own.

Now this led to a misunderstanding with a couple of guys, who ended up with a thousand extra leaflets. Nick Griffin came to me and said these two guys have complained. He said:

“I want to look over all the accounts and how this was set up.”

I presented him fully with every single one of the print bills, the leaflets that were set up in groups of four.

And he stood up in front of a National Conference and stated, unequivocally, that he had seen all of the way that the printing was set up. That it was done in the most efficient way. And although a small number of people, because of the way print runs are set up, had received maybe a thousand extra leaflets. Those people had still made a substantial saving. Do you understand that is that all completely clear?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And after that, at a later date, he then said:

“Oh! Well actually none of that happened. And there was dodgy things about the printing.”

He never elaborated, he never laid out any facts. It was merely a smear campaign.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Now, I will also ask you this Dominic. I worked with Nick Griffin for 10 years.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: If in that time I had been up to something like that, which I absolutely was not! How come he only said it – and after he looked through all my accounts, all the printing setups, the way the printing was done. Why did he only mention something when we’d fallen out?

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

Mark Collett: Because that would implicate him somewhat.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: But he gave everything I did a full Bill of health. And not only, not only did he looks over that, the party had a Treasury Department. And the Treasury Department had to check everything as well. So they saw all copies of all printing bills. This was a complete fabrication on his behalf! That was fabricated based on a simple misunderstanding, because a couple of guys didn’t understand the economics of scale within the print industry.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And I can even send you documents that the party used to send out saying:

“Please group your leaflets into sets of four to make the maximum saving on your leaflet.”

So that even went out.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: With all information at each election time.

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Dominic Kennedy: You said you’ve never misappropriated any funds. And this was a smear campaign.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: I have no reason to doubt.

Mark Collett: Okay.

Dominic Kennedy: Fine, thank you. Now what was your involvement with Western Spring and how it’s ideas and methods affected Patriotic Alternative?

Mark Collett: Western Spring used to hold camping events. I attended, was it two Western Spring camping events? And they didn’t hold any more. Western Spring camping events aren’t something that we have followed. We do not follow their methodology. They are a legal group. They, to my knowledge, unless, you know, something different, they have never broken the law, or ever been in any trouble with the law. We have a cordial relationship with those involved. But that is all.

They don’t have any involvement, or role, in Patriotic Alternative. And as you will know at Western Spring camps there was some martial arts, as well as hiking. We do not replicate that in any way. None of our, or our annual PA camp does not feature martial arts.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: It is simply hiking, food, and getting bitten by numerous insects!

Dominic Kennedy: Is there a particular reason why you don’t do martial arts?

Mark Collett: As a family camp, … Western Spring was more based around physical activity and youngsters, whereas when we hold camps they’re family events. So it wouldn’t have any fit with our community building.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And now can we try to nail National Action, please?

Mark Collett: Yes! I’m open to any questions on this!

Dominic Kennedy: Great! So, how close was your involvement with Alex Davis, Ben Raymond, and National Action?

Mark Collett: I have had no real interactions, other than maybe Facebook with Benjamin Raymond. There’s no love lost between us. I think the guy was a liability. I think the guy did many, many stupid things. And I think he’s put people at risk.

I have met Alex Davis, on one occasion. Alex Davis seems to be somebody who wanted to pull away from Ben Raymond. This was a long time ago when I met Alex Davis. I think it was in 20, … I think it would be 2016. So good five years ago.

Alex Davis is somebody who since National Action has, I don’t know anything about Ben Raymond, but I’m assured that since the fall of National Action, Alex Davis is somebody who’s tried to distance himself from it and get on with his life. And I know it’s negatively affected his health – the stress that it’s put him under.

But I have no and never have had a relationship with Ben Raymond.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: The closest I’ve ever been with him is years, and years ago, somebody might have commented on somebody’s Facebook wall and he might have, … And I might have added something, or made a comment, or a joke. And then he might have been in some thread. That is the most contact. I’ve had with him.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And what about National Action?

Mark Collett: I have never attended a National Action event. I have obviously met people who have in some way, or another, attended one of their events, or have been linked to them. But I have not attended a National Action event.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And I had a very dim view of them.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Now Wayne Bell. He was involved in National Action I believe.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: And you were pictured leafleting for Brexit with Wayne Bell in Leeds. And you’ve explained about your husband being pictured marching with Wayne Bell. And that you’ve been pretty strong, …

Laura Towler: Can I clarify? I don’t know who Wayne Bell is.

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

Laura Towler: I’ve never met of this person.

Dominic Kennedy: That’s fine. This was on, … I think it’s Hope not Hate picture. But you’ve made the point that you’ve been pictured with Prince Charles, and you’re not member of the Royal Family.

Mark Collett: You’ve been pictured with Prince Charles!

Laura Towler: When I was in the Army Cadets.

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. You were pictured [Mark chuckles]. And the Yorkshire fitness organizer, Jacob Buick, was Wayne Bell’s driver. Are you quite close to these people around, …

Mark Collett: Am I close to Wayne Bell? I can answer that straight away.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: I haven’t spoken, or had any contact with Wayne Bell, since 2016.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: I have not seen him, I have not contacted him. And he, … Well, I think I’ve actually made a video about this. About the dissolution of National Action, my thoughts about it, at the time. My thoughts about the damage they caused. Their immaturity. And also the fact that I think they did more, or less, everything the wrong way.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Wayne Bell attended our Brexit stalls. That was to obviously leaflet and to promote the Vote Leave campaign. That was completely separate to anything to do with National Action. There were multiple people at those events. And I got people out doing things like the Vote Leave campaigns, because I said to people:

“Look, rather than sitting online, saying edgy things, rather than doing foolish things, you can actually make a change in society by going out and getting involved in what is effectively community based politics. Talking to the public and making a positive change. This is a better way to do things.”

I would have hoped after seeing the wonderful response we got on those stalls, that young people viewing that would have gone down a more positive route. It seems very clear that Wayne Bell didn’t go down that positive route. He chose to go down a negative route. Which has no doubt damaged him. Damaged his partner. And damaged their children.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Wayne Bell is an example of what happens when people take a very, very dark route. And I think he is paying for that now. But I have not seen him, spoke to him, or had any contact with him for a very long time.

Dominic Kennedy: And Jacob Buick, do you know, whether he was involved in National Action?

Mark Collett: I, … Jacob Buick?

Laura Towler: Jacob helps us with fitness events?

Mark Collett: I don’t know. I don’t speak to, I know, I don’t know who he is now, … He came to the demonstration?

Laura Towler: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Came to the demonstration on Saturday. I think I know who you’re talking about. I don’t know, of his involvement with that. But what I will say Dominic. And this has to be made very, very clear.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: National Action held some events which were exclusively National Action events. National Action also attended numerous large protests all over Yorkshire in the north, where there were multiple groups and other people turned up and may have been pictured next to banners, or individuals, involved. And there has to be a very clear demarcation between those two events.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: Yeah. Such as the event that Sam was photographed at.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: This was a public march against grooming gangs. National Action were. There were also the EDL, the last remnants of the BNP. And just concerned citizens who had no political affiliation. The event was circulated by various groups and various individuals. And some went and matched against grooming gangs.

He’s never even had a conversation with anyone in National Action. So with regards to Jacob, I don’t know if it was something similar to that.

Mark Collett: You’d have to ask him. I think, again Dominic that’s a little unfair to ask that question, because Jacob isn’t here to defend himself. And you have to be aware that when people come along to our events, I don’t speak to everybody in depth about their life history.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. Kris Kearns has said that he was involved in National Action. Is that a matter of concern to you? Because he runs your fitness movement. And also this Fascist Fitness.

Mark Collett: The Fascist Fitness, he does not run that anymore.

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, right.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: He founded it didn’t he?

Mark Collett: Originally he set up the page. And we have spoken to Kris and said:

“That is not within our accepted boundaries of what we would want anyone, who was having anything to do with us, being involved in.”

He no longer does that. And he may, or may not have been involved with National Action, at some point. He doesn’t have any criminal record.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: He has never, to my knowledge, broken the law. He lives in Spain. He does not live in the UK. Obviously, young people sometimes do things that they are later not proud of.

I believe that unless somebody has broken the law, or done something, which is absolutely unconscionable, people generally deserve a second chance. And if people were misled into being involved with a group that then later on went sour. And they didn’t have anything to do with the souring themselves. They should not necessarily be counted out of any other group in society for the rest of their lives. There has to be reasonable boundaries.

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Now obviously, somebody such as Wayne Bell, they would not be welcome.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, sure.

Mark Collett: And we do ensure that our people who are very active, are vetted in our organization. So we do try to ensure, to the best of our knowledge, that the people we have on board that are doing things are the Right people.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And the last one is Fenek Solere, whose writings used to be on National Action’s website. And he’s now blogging for Patriotic Alternative.

Mark Collett: I personally, I have interviewed him. And this is the first I’ve known about that this is the first I’ve known about that. So I can’t, again, I haven’t spoken to him. He’s not here to answer that. But I don’t know what he’s written.

Now I would say if an article is published on a website, I would be more interested in the content of the article and what it’s calling for as much as I would be and where it’s published.

So I don’t know if you’ve read the articles that you’re alleging were published on that website were written by him. But if they were, I would obviously be interested in reading them, if they say anything objectionable. I know that he has written a number of books. He has sent me copies of those books. But I have not read them.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: I spoke to, … The first time I heard about this was when you emailed us yesterday, as well. And I spoke to Fenek this morning and he said:

“That he’s never met National Action.”

And when they were active he wasn’t even in Britain.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. That’s really helpful.

Mark Collett: So did he, or did he not, have that article?

Laura Towler: He said they published some of his articles on the website. Not he wrote for them. So they took some of these articles and published them, …

Mark Collett: So that is very different! So to make that clear, Laura has spoken to the man in question.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: He claims he did not submit articles to them. But they republished articles he had wrote and published elsewhere.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. Now, some of [word unclear] that I’ve spoken to have been critical of the influence that you have on young people and children.

Mark Collett: I don’t have any influence on children!

Dominic Kennedy: Let’s say young people, and people who are still at school.

Mark Collett: We have a very clear rule on this Dominic. People over the age of 16.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Are allowed to join the army, am I correct?

Dominic Kennedy: They were, I don’t know if they still are.

Mark Collett: They are allowed to join the Labour Party, and the Conservative Party, and the Liberal Democrats. We only allow people over the age of 16 to attend our events, if they have parental consent.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: When people have come to our events, around that age, they either have to be brought by a parent, or they have to have parental consent.

But I must point out that 16 year olds are now legally able to vote in Scotland and Wales. And they are legally able to join all of the major Parliamentary parties in the UK. We are not acting outside of any accepted boundary in the way that we deal with people of that age group.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And when you say that they have to have parental consent, or be brought by their parents, is there an age limit that, …

Mark Collett: Anybody under the age of 16, … So if they’re under 16.

Mark Collett: Under 16 they have to be brought by a parent. And if a parent is concerned, … I have spoken to parents in the past if their parents are concerned. And I have said to those parents, clearly and completely transparently, that if a parent rings me and says:

“I don’t want my kid coming to your event.”

I would honour that. I’ve said that to them.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Some of these young people are getting arrested, and getting police records, …

Mark Collett: No, no! They’re not!

Dominic Kennedy: They’re not children?

Mark Collett: No they’re not!

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

Mark Collett: That is misinformation.

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Dominic Kennedy: But Barclay Walsh, …

Mark Collett: Whoa! Barclay Walsh has been arrested.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: He was arrested. He does not have a criminal record!

Dominic Kennedy: No! A police record. But it is important, because you’re going to have to, at some point in life you have to say, to get certain visas, and so on, that you have been arrested. You have to make that an admission.

Mark Collett: I don’t think you do! I don’t think you do. I’ve been into countries. I’ve been to America. And you have to state if you have been, if you have a criminal record. And it’s criminal records that carry a sentence of a certain length.

Now he was arrested, he was not charged, he was given all of his stuff back. And he was given a complete clean bill of health with that. That was a mistake!

Dominic Kennedy: But there are enhanced criminal record checks and police intelligence, and so on.

Mark Collett: Well, if that is the case, then that is the case. But he was wrongfully arrested.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, but he was arrested!

Mark Collett: He was arrested. You could be arrested walking out of here, in a case of mistaken identity. That happens.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, it does. But that another guy is this Zoomer, Wesley. He’s been arrested. Wesley Russell. Wesley Russell was nothing to do with Patriotic Alternative. And I believe that was something that actually was a tweet, …

Dominic Kennedy: It was tweet.

Mark Collett: Was that actually pre-dating Patriotic Alternative? It predated Patriotic Alternative.

Dominic Kennedy: Right.

Mark Collett: So that was nothing to do with us. The only person that has been arrested for anything to do with a Patriotic Alternative was Barkley Walsh. And he was released, given all his stuff back, and given a complete clean bill of health by the police.

Dominic Kennedy: Yep. Can you see that an adult might not want to be caught with a leaflet which might be seen by the authorities, and obviously was seen by some people as being racially offensive, …

Mark Collett: Whoa, wait! I want to discuss that leaflet, because you’ve just said a very serious allegation there! That it was racially offensive.

Dominic Kennedy: No, I’m not going to say it’s racially offensive. I’m going to say it could be seen, …

Mark Collett: No! No. How could it be seen as racially offensive? It was a leaflet that quoted the Daily Mail on demographics! It did not mention race! It mentioned demographic change! There was no single race in that leaflet that was targeted in any way! It was talking about demographic change. It quoted a Daily Mail article, which was based on a learned paper. All of this is in the public field.

These leaflets are not, in any way hateful. They do not target any minority with any slurs, or any accusations! This was an informational piece. Somebody might wish to go out and say to people:

“I feel that White Britons becoming a minority in their ancestral homeland is a bad thing! Do you share my opinion.”

Now you might not share that. You might think White Britain’s becoming a minority is wonderful! I don’t know what you think. But if somebody shares that opinion, they are allowed to collectivise and campaign against that. There are many people in Britain, UKIP, ….

Well look! Let’s go even further to the Left than UKIP. The Conservative Party recently got elected via landslide on the basis that they were A) going to bring in a points-based, Australian-style, immigration system that was vastly going to reduce immigration.

Secondly they stated that immigrants coming here to do low-paid jobs would essentially be blocked. Now they lied about those things. They also claimed numerous times that they were going to deport both illegal immigrants and people who were here legally, but were not born here, who had committed serious criminal offences. Okay? Those issues are issues that people were bothered about in the country.

And the Conservatives campaigned about those. UKIP have campaigned about those. The Brexit Party have campaigned about those issues. There are a wealth of parties that campaign on those issues. And we put out a leaflet that was extremely tame, backed up all it’s sources, was factual, and was simply saying:

“If you are concerned about demographic change, join like-minded people who are also concerned about that.”

People voted Tory, people voted Brexit. And people have voted UKIP. People are voting for Farage’s other parties. All based around fears to do with immigration, or concerns about immigration.

We have simply spoken about that is not targetting anybody. That is talking about people who are concerned for one reason, or another, about White Britain’s becoming a minority. And that is a legitimate political concern.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. But, it is the case that he was arrested.

Mark Collett: Yes. And I’ve admitted that.

Dominic Kennedy: A very unpleasant experiences.

Mark Collett: It is a very unpleasant experience. But you shouldn’t be interviewing me about this! You should be interviewing the police! You should be saying:

“Why was a young lad arrested for putting out a leaflet that is completely legal, that carries information directly lifted from the Daily Mail?”

But you’re a journalist, right Dominic? Correct?

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Dominic Kennedy: Correct.

Mark Collett: So let’s say you wrote an article about demographics. How would you feel if you were pulled out of your house, held in a police cell for presenting facts to the public, as a journalist.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, it’s very unpleasant, …

Mark Collett: Very worrying.

Dominic Kennedy: But if you, knowing, you that this is the environment in which you’re operating, that people around you being arrested all the time, unfortunately.

Mark Collett: If the environment we are operating in is draconian and tyrannical, then it is the environment that should change! People should be granted their freedoms! People who wish to exercise their freedoms shouldn’t curtail what they are doing to kowtow to a tyrannical system! That only gives the tyrannical system more power.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: We are legally allowed to talk about that. That was proved by the fact that he has not been charged.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: So why should we stop talking about things we are legally allowed to talk about, we’re concerned about, and are committed to dealing with, in a peaceful way, if the police are being heavy-handed? You must have seen videos of police brutality. So if the police brutalize somebody, should everyone stop exercising their rights, because the police are brutalizing people?

Dominic Kennedy: But would you say, …

Mark Collett: No, that’s a question. Should they?

Dominic Kennedy: No. But would you see, or say, that there was a difference between a schoolboy and getting involved in this activity, bearing in mind that there is this atmosphere out there. And there are these policies that people seem to be implementing against your group. That for a schoolboy to get involved in it is different from a 30 year old man getting involved in it, …

Mark Collett: I’ve already said, Barclay Walsh is over the age of 16. Would he be able to join the Tory party?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Would he be able to join the Labour Party?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Would he be able to join one of the multitude of political groups, like “Black Lives Matter”, Insulate Britain? He could join any of those.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: And some of those groups commit actual offences! Some of them attack the police! Some of them blockade motorways, and there would be no bar on him joining them.

We are committed to peaceful political activity. He was carrying out peaceful political activity.

The police were in the wrong! Just in the same way that they are in the wrong when they wrongfully arrest, or brutalize people for a variety of reasons. And the press regularly carries stories – you will be aware of this, because you work for the press – of the police overreaching, and doing terrible things to people.

Dominic Kennedy: All right. The point that you would make to people who say 16 year old school boys, and so on, school children, are in a different position to older adults. The point you would make is that at 16, you are allowed to be politically active. That’s allowed in this country.

Mark Collett: You are allowed to be politically active. And that is a norm across all the mainstream parties. And what’s more Dominic, I want to make this very clear! I want to ask you if you understand what I’m saying, at the end of this.

Dominic Kennedy: Okay.

Mark Collett: If young people between the ages of 16 and 18 are concerned about a political issue, is it better that they get involved with a group that are above board legal, community-based, and wanting to carry out legitimate political activity, or is it better that those people are alienated, and forced into the arms of a group that wants to do things in a less legitimate manner?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: So it’s better that they go down a political route?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I see your point.

Mark Collett: So we are saying to people. If you want to do something legitimate, we will give you a legitimate, above board, political way to vent your frustrations, talk about the things that concern you.

We do not think that closing that avenue of legitimate political discourse, would do young people, or any other people for that matter, any good!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, okay I very much take your point. I’ve took the time of it, as well, because I wasn’t making a note.

Mark Collett: Do, you know how much longer this is going to go on for? Because I do need the toilet.

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, it’s at the end of the corridor.

Mark Collett: Okay.

Dominic Kennedy: Is that, …

Mark Collett: Yeah, it’s fine, yeah. How long after, …

Dominic Kennedy: About half an hour, ….

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Mark Collett: If it’s half an hour, then I would definitely need, …

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: It’s at the end of the corridor.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah on the Left! How are you?

Laura Towler: Not bad. A bit of morning sickness has come back, in the third trimester, indigestion. But other than that things are good.

Dominic Kennedy: My first newspaper was the Pudsey Times.

Laura Towler: Pardon?

Dominic Kennedy: My first newspaper was the Pudsey Times.

Laura Towler: Ah, okay.

Dominic Kennedy: And is [word unclear] still going on.

Laura Towler: I’ve never heard of that.

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, really.

Laura Towler: I think it’s the Yorkshire Post, it’s a big one.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. No we used to have like a, I mean, there was a whole newspaper office with about three reporters, and advertising staff, a receptionist, just opposite the Magistrates Court. And it had been called the [word unclear] News. And it was about 100 years old. Well, a lot of local newspapers are closed down.

Laura Towler: Well maybe, because of the internet?

Dominic Kennedy: Definitely! Yeah, because it relied on them advertising [word unclear] income, basically. So once that’s detached from sales of newspapers, or free distribution newspapers, then it’s all gone. It’s a kind of an economic model.

Laura Towler: Well a lot of newspapers are struggling nowadays. People are [word unclear] traditional media.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, there’s a lot of competition.

Mark Collett: Sorry about that.

Dominic Kennedy: Thank you. To clarify. You said that they don’t do, you don’t do martial arts in the fitness clubs. Western Springs martial arts. You don’t do martial arts.

Mark Collett: No, we don’t do. I think some of our lads do in their own time, box.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: I used to box. But at our camps we don’t do martial arts.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: I’ve attended, obviously I’ve attended every single national camp we’ve done. And there’s been no martial arts at those camps.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And the you’ve mentioned that there may be flare-ups. There may be violent flare-ups over, from time to time, there’s not be a race war. But there may be violent [word unclear] from time to time.

Mark Collett: Well, we’ve seen violent flares groups like “Black Lives Matter”. And we’ve seen riots and things like that. That’s not some kind of incredible prediction. That’s based on, …

Dominic Kennedy: Observation.

Mark Collett: That’s an observation that no one could disagree with.

Dominic Kennedy: And are your fitness club members readying themselves, preparing yourselves, for self-defense?

Mark Collett: No! Of course not! Dominic, … Right have you seen those “Black Lives Matter” events?

Dominic Kennedy: Well, I’ve seen different sort of things, …

Mark Collett: How many people are at those events?

Dominic Kennedy: Some of them have got enormous sums.

Mark Collett: Enormous sums! And when you’ve seen those turn nasty in places like America, which they have, and they’re burning down stores, looting.

Do you think any person in their right mind, would even think they could ready themselves on a personal basis, for something like that? If you were faced with that, the only thing you could do is run! To suggest that young men are preparing themselves to single-handedly take on something like that, it’s just nonsense!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: So no, we’re not. And it wouldn’t even be possible.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Is Max Musson supporting you? He is able able to give like financial support?

Mark Collett: I have not, …

Dominic Kennedy: He’s always portrayed as a financier, …

Mark Collett: I have not spoken to Max Musson for quite a while. The last time I saw him was at an event in Leeds. It wasn’t a PA event. He has not spoken to me since then. At the event he announced that I had won a, I think it was an award for Speaker of the Year, that they give out. I’m sure that will be on his website. But I haven’t spoken to him since then. And I couldn’t even tell you the date of the event.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. That could be some years ago, could it?

Mark Collett: I couldn’t tell you.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. Do you have any idea what age your followers are, on average, or generally, or, ….

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Mark Collett: The average, I think at our last camp the youngest person there was one, wasn’t she?

Laura Towler: Yes.

Mark Collett: She was one. And the oldest person there was in his 80s.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: So it is a very wide range and, because they’re family events, you get that kind of wide range.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Fine. Some of the messaging that you use. You talk about White genocide.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: There’s a clock ticking down on the website.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: Is there a possibility that some of the people who are listening to your messages may feel that they need to take violent action, because this is, … When there’s a genocide, what are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to stop it, aren’t you?

Mark Collett: Absolutely not! There is absolutely no way that people could misinterpret what we’re saying. On our website there is a clear 20 point Political Plan! There is a very timely reminder that White Britons are headed to becoming a minority! That is true! Demographics is one of our central points.

But every single thing on that website is geared towards community politics, leafleting, and other such community-based issues, …

Laura Towler: And self-improvement.

Mark Collett: And self-improvement. You could make that very disingenuous argument toward anything. You could say:

“Well, this website here which is a completely different website, run by people with completely different opinions and views to us, talks about climate change, talks about mass extinction of species, talks about melting of the polar like ice caps, talks about flooding, talks about starvation!”

Well this according to certain people is imminent! Well that sounds pretty bleak as well. Could that inspire violence? Would you say that would inspire violence, Dominic?

Dominic Kennedy: I’ll take your point.

Laura Towler: And the media are terrible for portraying immigrants and their descendants as victims and sufferers of certain things. That could encourage them to go out and do something terrible.

Mark Collett: And what about the Covid narrative? I mean, recently there have been many articles in newspapers, such as the Daily Mail. And I read one of these excerpts last night on my show, where people are saying:

“Can I even be friends with somebody who chooses not to take the vaccine?”

Could that cause attacks upon people? The press are saying that those who choose not to take the vaccine, are putting others at risk. Now that is a whole debate in itself. But if somebody making a choice over their bodies, putting other people at risk, does that incite violence against them? Would you say it does?

Dominic Kennedy: I take your point. Yeah. And, …

Mark Collett: I think what you have to do Dominic, … Let’s be completely fair and open here. You have to look at two things. First, is obviously what our core principles are. And secondly, how we aim to spread our message and what our core activities are.

And our core activities are community-based activism. And the way we spread our message is peaceful. Down to the fact we even have a stringent code of conduct – which I will email you as soon as I get home – about ensuring that, well deterring anybody, … We don’t want anyone at our events who would do things that we disagree with. And we are very clear about that.

So no. I don’t think our website in any way would lead to what you suggested.

And if you went down a route of saying that, I think we both agree that could then be applied to the press, the media, and any website that talked about certain future occurrences.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Why do you discourage young people to work with Prevent? Why do I discourage young people to work with Prevent?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Prevent turn up and say:

“We want to help you, because you’re getting involved in extremists.”

And so on.

Mark Collett: Because we’re not extremists. We’re not extremists! What we’re doing [chuckling], I’ve said this many times, we are above board, political activists. I would encourage anybody who has a strong feeling about politics, or social change, to get on board with an aboveboard, legal, group that is calling for political change and community-based activism.

If Prevent is going to peoples, or going to people’s houses, trying to discourage young people from getting on board with community-based activism, then they’re the problem!

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And I will say this to any young person. And I have made numerous videos that you must have seen saying this. I tell all young people:

“You are now laying the foundations for the rest of your lives!”

I tell people:

“Study hard, go to university, get a good career, stay fit!”

I tell people:

“Don’t smoke! Don’t drink! Don’t take drugs! Don’t fill your face with junk food. Be healthy. Do good.”

And that will put you in a good position for the rest of your lives.

Laura Towler: Sorry, Prevent have been harassing our supporters, including, just to give you one example, an elderly lady who had a public Twitter profile, who got involved with our baking competition. She’s been contacted by Prevent to talk about her “extremism”, because she took part in a baking competition.

So I would say in this situation it’s actually Prevent that are the extremists. Not us.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. And are you a National Socialist? Because the book does, it appears to praise National Socialism.

Mark Collett: What it actually does, if you look at it, is it makes a big distinction between what I call “national”, … And again this is, I think you’re being a little bit disingenuous there, Dominic. You say you’ve read the book.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: But there was an entire chapter called, … And I want to get this exactly correct, “False Salvation, the Hollywood Nazi”

Dominic Kennedy: Yes!

Mark Collett: And it criticizes people who go down a, what I call the “Hollywood Nazi route”. It criticizes people who wear swastika patches, it criticizes people who idolize protagonists in films like romper stomper, or American History X. That’s all clear in the book, yes?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: What I did in the book was I compared National Socialism to skinhead, or Hollywood Nazi culture. I never said I was a National Socialist. I said National Socialism was disciplined. I said it was ordered. I said they dress smartly. And I said they marched in lines. Are those things correct? Did they? Were they disciplined and ordered, Dominic?

Dominic Kennedy: Umm.

Mark Collett: Would you say the Nuremberg rallies were disciplined and orderly?

Dominic Kennedy: I’m really not an expert on the Nuremberg rallies. So I’m not going to, …

Mark Collett: Look! You’re not going to say that. But you’re smiling. And I know that, you know what I’m saying is correct!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, I’m smiling, but what I’m saying, … Lots of other things happened around that time.

Mark Collett: No! No.

Dominic Kennedy: More than just walking down a line [chuckling].

Mark Collett: Wait a second Dominic. We’re not talking about the other things.

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

Mark Collett: In my book, I point out that those people who call themselves National Socialists, but cloak themselves in Hollywood Nazi style imagery, regalia, and lifestyles, are nothing like the people they claim to admire. They are not disciplined, they are not ordered. And they are almost a bizarre parody of what they claim to stand for.

That is what the book says. I never say that I’m a National Socialist. Throughout the book I say that I am a nationalist! And in the book, at the end, I say the following. There is a chapter, “True Salvation Nationalism”. Not National Socialism, nationalism!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So you make the point very well in your book comparison. But are you saying you’re not a National Socialist?

Mark Collett: I’m not a National Socialist. I wasn’t around in 1930s Germany. National Socialism was a product of its time.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay. You’ve now been rejected four times as a political party.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: By the Electoral Commission. What are you going to do?

Mark Collett: We’re going to apply again!

Dominic Kennedy: Try again?

Mark Collett: We’re going to apply again with a completely different tactic.

Laura Towler: And we’re also going to ask them if we can perhaps have a conversation.

Mark Collett: Yeah. We’re going to ask if we can have a meeting with them. We can work with them. So we can work with this body, to ensure that we comply with their strict guidelines. We want to do that. And if needs be we will go down there and we will have a full and Frank conversation we will present evidence to them, as we have done with you today, and answer any questions they have.

Laura Towler: And it would also be helpful if they could just tell us in one go everything that they want us to change, rather than them feeding them one thing at a time, in order to delay the process, which is what they’re actually trying to do.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: Because the fourth time problem was relevant the first time as well. But they didn’t feel the need to mention it then.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And I have repeatedly emailed them and said, … They have said:

“You need to change this. You need to change the other.”

And every time I have changed those things, I have written back and say:

“I am more than happy to change that particular item. Is that all I need to change?”

And they refuse to answer that. So I believe they’re playing a game. They have a number of things they have stacked up against us, and they feed those objections to us piecemeal. Which is very unfair! It wastes our time, and it wastes our money. And we do not deserve to be treated like that.

Laura Towler: And it’s worth noting that they’ve also let other parties through with things that they’ve rejected us on.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Laura Towler: Such as text in the logo.

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And that you say the rejection, the fourth time, was issues that they could have raised before? Is that true also the third time?

Mark Collett: Yes!

Laura Towler: I can’t remember the exact, …

Mark Collett: Yes! The third and fourth time was spurious, to say the least. And were not actually based on any ruling they made, but on a ruling they said may be made by the equality commission. So when I contacted a legal representative about that, I was told that was spurious at best.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, they could have said it the first time.

Mark Collett: Yes, of course!

Dominic Kennedy: Right.

Mark Collett: Nothing has changed.

Dominic Kennedy: I’m looking at your program for how you would, it’s not a manifesto, but what you would like to see happen. The way that I’m trying to interpret that, is if you were to come to power. And if you were to have your way, there would be a 95% super majority of White people who are European people, or something like that, in the UK. Is that basically correct?

Mark Collett: Yes! We’d aim for a super majority. We’ve said 95%. But if a little fairy landed on my shoulder today and said, you know, stick, or twist, you can have 90% and you win. I would take 90 percent.

Dominic Kennedy: And the only way that I think that is going to be achievable, bearing around your other principles that you put in, is to have a system of voluntary repatriation.

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: That’s correct? Which would be also with incentives to repatriate.

Mark Collett: Yes. It would be financial incentives to repatriate those who felt they could maybe live a better life elsewhere. It would not be something that was coercive. It would be something that would be obviously considered by individuals, or families. And can be very generous.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. And I can see that, for example, if you are the grandchild of some Jamaican immigrants, then I’m assuming that the suggestion would be:

“You might want to go and live in Jamaica.”

Mark Collett: Well, they might.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: If they were offered a generous resettlement scheme.

Dominic Kennedy: Where would jewish people go? Have you thought about that?

Mark Collett: Well, jewish people would go to Israel, if they wished to go to Israel. We aren’t, as I said, it’s a completely voluntary scheme! It’s a voluntary scheme, so where people went was up to them. I mean, you might have somebody who was of Pakistani descent. But they had family in Bangladesh, and chose to go to Bangladesh.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: It would be up to them.

Dominic Kennedy: Are jewish people not counted in that 95 percent?

Mark Collett: The jewish people are their own ethnic group. They actually categorize, … I’m going on their categorization, and not my own. They class themselves an ethnic group. They have an ethnostate in the Middle East with a nation state law.

And leading rabbis in Israel have called for DNA tests for citizenship. So they believe themselves to be a racial group.

As such, they would be dealt with just like anyone else, in a fair and reasonable manner. And if they wished to take a grant, to go to Israel, they could. And if they were productive members of society, they would be welcome to stay and carry on living here. And they would experience all the same freedoms that British citizens experienced. Because that’s what they would be.

Dominic Kennedy: Okay. Now I sent on the email yesterday questions about that show with, that Patriotic Talk episode.

Mark Collett: Oh, I want to answer that.

Dominic Kennedy: Oh, go on then.

Mark Collett: Chris Mitchell was obviously a supporter, activist, and at one time somebody who would have been seen as a leading part of Patriotic Alternative. We’re not denying that. That’s out in the open. He was Eastern Region Organizer.

However, Chris Mitchell has repeatedly, and I’m being very honest with you here Dominic, said things on shows that I find appalling! The Thomas Sewell show was absolutely terrible! Midway through that show – and Laura can attest to this – I rang you Laura, didn’t I?

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Laura Towler: Mm.

Mark Collett: And we removed all reference to the Patriotic Talk show from our website. It was never again promoted by Patriotic Alternative. Chris Mitchell, at later dates, went on to say other things himself which were completely against what we believe in.

As such, I had a very difficult conversation with Chris Mitchell. He was sacked as Eastern Regional Organizer. He was told, in the end, that he must take a minimum break of three months, whereby he used to sort out his personal problems, and assess his behavior.

He was going through very difficult times. That’s why he wasn’t booted outright. He had a nasty breakup with his partner, who he harassed. He also had broken off their wedding. Their wedding had been broken off. And at the time, he was in somewhat of a state.

So we tried to deal with him as kindly as we could. Because we didn’t want him to do anything foolish. But he was told. And I have made a public statement, because we’re very open about these things. I’ve made a public statement to this end, that he was told he needed to take three months off. And his show would not be anything to do with us.

What Thomas Sewell said on that show was disgusting! I made two, at least two, public rebuttals of that the next day on public facing shows. I have completely disavowed what Thomas Sewell has said. And on that show, Kris Kearns was also present. Kris Kearns, at several points, said this man does not represent Patriotic Alternative, or myself. The only person who didn’t disavow what Thomas Sewell said was Chris Mitchell, who was the host of the show.

I am somewhat perplexed as to why Dlive still platforms Chris Mitchell. I lost my Dlive account despite the fact I have never once used a racial slur, or advocated for anything to do with violence, or terrorism.

Chris Mitchell has repeatedly had guests on his show, post him leaving and being told he’s not welcome within PA, who have said things which are equally unconscionable. Yet his channel still remains.

I want to make this absolutely clear! When I want you to understand this. And I want you, if there’s any unclarity on this, please tell me. He’s not welcome our events what was said on that show by Thomas Sewell – he was an Australian – and has never had anything to do with PA. And we would never have anything to do with him. He was completely beyond the pale!

He is now awaiting trial in Australia for activities, that again, we completely disavow! And as far as I am concerned, we drew a line under that. And we want to make it very clear, as I have done publicly on numerous shows, that this is exactly what we don’t stand for!

And that any host of a show that is connected to PA that allows a guest to get out of line, or to say things like that, will be stood down, as Chris Mitchell was.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Now I want to ask you is that completely clear?

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Is there anything else we could do to make that point clear. Or is there anything else we could have done at the time that you feel, we could have done?

Dominic Kennedy: I think you’ve made your point clearly.

Laura Towler: There is one more thing. Kris Kearns left the show.

Mark Collett: Chris Kearns left the show after that stream. So did the other co-host. A guy who went by the name of Nattie. And the show then went completely off the rails. And that is why it was never featured on our website again after that.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Now it was a very unfortunate thing. But I also must stress, Thomas Sewell lives in Australia. He was never part of PA. He was never connected to PA. And what he said was obviously no reflection on PA as an organization, because he did not speak for PA!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Is that also clear.

Dominic Kennedy: It is.

Mark Collett: And as a final point to this. As a final point to this. I am not sure where those recordings are. But I want to ask have you seen the recordings that were made after that where I publicly distanced myself from this? And I said it was complete, … You haven’t seen those? I don’t know where those are. But if I can dig them out, I would be happy to transfer those. So we want to draw a complete line under this.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Thank you. And somebody told me who has been your friend, that you don’t have a filter. And you said that, for example, you would say:

“My favorite book is Mein Kampf.”

Mark Collett: I didn’t say my favorite book was Mein Kampf.

Dominic Kennedy: Have you ever said that?

Mark Collett: I didn’t say my favorite book was Mein Kampf. What I said, and this can be seen, is people said:

“If you should read three books.”

And I suggested three very politically incorrect books. The reason I said that is because I don’t believe in working within the establishment’s narrative. And I don’t believe that people should be closed-minded in what they should read.

Ultimately, I suggest people should read things out of the bounds of establishment norms. I don’t apologize that. And sometimes I do try to be provocative.

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Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So what you were saying was not “my favorite book is Mein Kampf”.

Mark Collett: No.

Dominic Kennedy: You said was, if you read three books, here’s a book list you should read. And these are three very, to put it mildly, politically incorrect books.

Mark Collett: They’re politically incorrect book. But that was said, and people could see me laughing at the time. It was obviously said in a provocative, and slightly tongue-in-cheek manner. If you are to read three books, I’m probably not the best guy to ask what books you should read, because I’m not an avid reader myself.

Dominic Kennedy: Was this on a live stream, was it?

Mark Collett: Yes.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah, okay. And are you scared now? Because people around you, …

Mark Collett: Scared of what?

Dominic Kennedy: People around you are being arrested, and having their homes raided, and that’s includes obviously your family. Are you worried that this is going to happen to you?

Mark Collett: There is always that worry. There is always that worry. There’s always a concern that the State will act in a heavy-handed manner against anyone that criticizes the State. But that threat of heavy-handedness, is what the State use to silence dissident voices!

Laura Towler: We know that the State is hostile towards us. And that includes the government, the media, and the police. But every time they attack us it confirms for us that we need to fight for freedoms for our people, because it’s unacceptable! So really I think it strengthens our beliefs, doesn’t it?

Mark Collett: It strengthens your resolve. And one of the small points I would like to point out, about, … Because I noticed you were smiling when I said I sometimes like to be provocative.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: Leading Labour politicians – I think Tony benn was one – had busts of people like Stalin, Lenin, Chairman Mao, on their desks. Now those were men who did absolutely horrific things! They oversaw the murder of millions of people. Yet those individuals are never, ever, pulled up for their rather provocative, or sincere, I don’t know, I’ve never spoken to people like, … I’ve never spoken to Tony Benn, I’ve never spoken to Ken Livingston.

But people like that do cloak themselves in the flags of very extreme communist regimes. I mean, I’ve seen pictures of Jeremy Corbyn stood under Soviet flags.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: Well the Soviet Union murdered somewhere around 40 million people!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: And all I am saying is in a situation like that, people have to be held to the same standards. And what I think is happening here is if I make a provocative comment, I am held to a completely different standard to, let’s say, an elected politician like Tony Benn, or like Ken Livingston.

However really, in many ways that should be the other way around. That if we have elected politicians who do things like that, and they’re given a free pass by the media, or the State, that shows again some kind of collusion, or airbrushing of wrongdoing, by people who actually take a wage from the public purse.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. So there’s double standards you’re pointing out as well.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: Well, can I show you a video? Now, this is from the, I think it’s Western Spring. And people certainly they think, …

Mark Collett: That’s me, yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: Is it you?

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: I just want to make sure it’s the Right one.

Mark Collett: Yeah. You don’t have to show me. I know the one you mean. It’s me!

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. That’s you.

Mark Collett: Yeah, there’s me and, … I’m not actually in that shot. But I was there.

Dominic Kennedy: You were sitting down.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: But what, …

Mark Collett: But that wasn’t, what says there, on the screen, it said something about, that is a meeting.

Dominic Kennedy: I’m not adopting, …

Mark Collett: I thought that was a Western Spring meeting. I was there. It was the last Western Spring meeting I attended. I think it was. Yeah, it was the last Western Spring camp I attended. I might have spoken at one of their events after that, at a dining event. But that was a completely legal meeting.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah.

Mark Collett: As I said, that, I think that was in 20, it was 2017.

Dominic Kennedy: I think it was 2017.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: And Garron Helm is boxing with you, or sparring with you, or doing something with you.

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: Do you know, him at all?

[115:02]

Mark Collett: I know Garron Helm, yes.

Dominic Kennedy: What’s, …

Mark Collett: What’s my relationship with him? Not spoken to him for years. I met him on a couple of occasions. He was a young lad that got swept up in National Action. But I believe he was one of the few people who was actually arrested and found not guilty on all charges of actual involvement with them, in court. Is that correct?

Dominic Kennedy: He was, yeah, basically all right.

Mark Collett: Yeah. So he actually never did anything illegal. And post them being shut down, he had no involvement with them. And got on with his life.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. ITV News have explained this in a particular way as being National Action members still meeting, …

Mark Collett: No!

Dominic Kennedy: Things like that.

Mark Collett: No!

Dominic Kennedy: You tell me what was happening there. What is that a video of? What is it showing?

Mark Collett: It’s a Western Spring camp which was for young men, primarily, who wanted to get together, do some camping, do some hiking, do some fitness training. It wasn’t run by me. It was run by Western Spring. And that’s about the long and short of it.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Why were they doing, why were you all doing the gym stuff, the sort of self-defense, …

Mark Collett: You’d have to ask the organizers og the event. It’s generally a fitness, self-defense, and general a bit male bonding. Nothing more to it than that.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Fine. And this is going to be a bit personal. It might be a bit personal from me.

Mark Collett: Go on.

Dominic Kennedy: But I just find it, I just don’t understand why you have these opinions. Because you are a you are a gifted, well-educated, man of 40 years old. And you’ve grown up in a multi-racial society. And I don’t understand why you would think that people who are from different racial, or ethnic backgrounds, are different, or why it’s an issue. But briefly, … Yeah, what’s, …

Mark Collett: Well if you look at history, every single multicultural society has descended into strife on some level. And generally people who live around their own, who are part of homogeneous groups, who surround themselves by their own cultures and traditions, are happier!

And you must note in Britain today, when small numbers of immigrants initially came over. And they were probably quite isolated amongst the indigenous population, there was a pressure for them to fit in. There was a pressure for those people to get along.

Dominic Kennedy: Yep.

Mark Collett: However, we have now experienced mass immigration on a scale that this country has never seen before! Every year more people come to this country than arrived here between 1066 and 1939.

So since the last time we were successfully invaded, till the outbreak of the Second World War, fewer people in total came to Britain, than arrive here every year under the Conservative government. That is wholly manufactured! It is wholly sponsored by the State, largely supported by the mainstream media.

And when those people do come here in such numbers, they are not isolated. They are not forced to get along with the indigenous people. But, in fact, they gather together, they import their culture to the exclusion of the indigenous culture. And they create their own little versions of wherever they came from. With the great difference being, free healthcare, free education, generous benefits. And all the financial incentives offered to them by the UK government.

Once they have created those, some people call them “ghettos”, I’ll be more polite and call them “enclaves”, once they have created those enclaves which are based around their beliefs, their religious buildings, their language, their practices, their shops, their clothing, their customs, there is often then a clash between the people living there and the indigenous people living on the edge of those enclaves.

And when those clashes occur you see things like anti-White racist attacks! You see things like the grooming scandal! And when White people come off second best, which they do. And by the media’s own admission there have been over a hundred thousand White British girls “groomed”, sexually abused, raped, trafficked, even murdered by people who are largely from immigrant descent, these crimes are covered up and nothing’s done about them!

And that is a great concern for me as a person! And you may be right Dominic. You may look at me and say:

“You’re intelligent, you are physically active, you could do anything with your life, why do this Mark?”

It’s because I care! Because I felt there was something wrong that wasn’t being addressed in the mainstream. And I wasn’t willing to sit on the sidelines and do nothing about it! I wanted to get involved. And I wanted to make a positive change. And that is something I strive to do.

And yes, I probably could have earned more money elsewhere. I probably could have lived a very different life. But that would have meant that I would have had something weighing on my conscience. And that something would have been inaction, that something would have been saying nothing about the injustices that we’ve just spoken about.

So yes I might have sacrificed a lot doing this. But it’s a sacrifice I’m happy to make. And that’s why I don’t live in fear of State abuse of power. Because I know that I’m doing the right thing! I think people who live in fear of going to jail, are people who know that they’re doing the wrong thing.

People who know that they’re doing the right thing, would shoulder those burdens, because they’d have a clear conscience, which I do.

[121:35]

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Is there anything else you’d like to say.

Mark Collett: No.

Dominic Kennedy: Anything I should know?

Mark Collett: No. No. I want to be honest with you though. I have made a recording of this.

Dominic Kennedy: Yes.

Mark Collett: For my own safety. I will not be publishing this. But it is there for my safety.

Dominic Kennedy: I just said you’re right to do it.

Mark Collett: Yeah. So if you were to ever print anything that I have said, I want to be able to say to people this is a recording where this is how it played out. Because I want to be safe.

Dominic Kennedy: Mm.

Mark Collett: And I feel that you may feel I was slightly honest [? dishonest]. I didn’t tell you I was recording you from the start. But I will say this Dominic. That is for my safety. And although I wasn’t completely honest about that recording, I have been completely honest with you today. I hope you agree that I’ve answered all your questions. That I’ve been polite. That I’ve been open. That I’ve been honest. That I’ve been very, very forthcoming with full and lengthy explanations.

And if you feel that I have held anything back, or been disingenuous, I would like you to say now. Because I want us to walk away from this with a handshake and happy that you have everything you need to make an unbiased report.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. I really appreciate you giving your time, both of you and I appreciate the way that you’ve answered the questions. Thank you Mark. I’m also, I’m not surprised that you’ve made a recording. And I think that was completely reasonable to do, to ensure that the you’re satisfied that the reporting is fair and accurate.

But, and I’ve come to you with everything that I’ve got at the moment just about. There may be other matters that come to light. If I’m able to email you, is that okay?

Mark Collett: Yeah you can email me. You can follow anything up. And if you wish for another meeting, I’d be happy to meet you again. We’ve met in this neutral location, because it is both neutral and controlled. So you’ve got peace of mind. And I’ve got peace of mind. So that everything’s being done in an aboveboard manner.

And what I hope to achieve from this Dominic, is I’m not trying to recruit you, I’m not trying to win you over. I know you’re not going to be on my side of the political fence. But what I am trying to do is show you that we are not monsters! That we are above board. That we are open, honest.

And we are open to scrutiny from the press, or anyone else. We are willing to answer questions. And we will do so in the most open and reasonable manner. Because we don’t have anything to hide. We are very honest about what we believe. And we are very honest about the way we operate.

And we wish to continue to operate in this legal, and aboveboard manner. And we wish to continue to exercise our democratic rights and our freedoms.

Dominic Kennedy: Yeah. Okay.

Mark Collett: So, are you happy with all that?

Laura Towler: Yeah.

Dominic Kennedy: Thank you.

Mark Collett: I’ll do mine.

[124:53]

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Mark Collett: Thank you for taking the time to listen to the interview in full. If you enjoyed the video please consider giving it a like, or sharing it on social media.

You can also visit our website at www.patrioticalternative.org.uk. And you can download my book “The Fall of Western Man” for free, from www.thefallofwesternman.com.

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Revision Media – Andrew Joyce – Infiltrators of Western Civilization – Mar 14, 2021 — Transcript

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[The Occidental Observer (TOO) contributor and scholar Andrew Joyce on the “jewish problem/question“, has a wide-ranging discussion with Revision Media’s Paul Stevenson, including the recent US elections; Joyce’s upcoming two books; Nick Griffin; Christianity – all within the context of jews and jewish power and influence.

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This airing we have Andrew Joyce joining us. Andrew Joyce [Ph.D.] is a historian who documents and explores the role of Jewish influence, both currently and historically. Andrew is author of the book “Talmud and Taboo” and a writer for The Occidental Observer and The Occidental Quarterly, which provide in-depth articles on Western history and culture. Andrew has written articles from a variety of perspectives, including intellectual history, evolutionary biology, behavior genetics, and both religious and ethnic studies. We discuss a number of currently relevant issues regarding Judaic power, control, totalitarianism, censorship and Jewish supremacy across the economic, academic, social and political landscapes. Some related topics are also included. Callers are welcome to contribute. This weekly radio show broadcasts live every Thursday from London, England, transmitting independent philosophy, news and perspectives. Paul advocates an independent lifestyle encompassing nationalist and traditionalist values. Revelation featuring Paul Edward Stevenson ~

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[00:00]

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[01:15]

Paul Stevenson: Hi and welcome to Revision Media with me here tonight, Paul Stevenson, on this Wednesday, the 20th of January 2021. I’ll be live with you here for the next hour, or I should say I won’t exactly be live, because I’ve got an interview coming up this evening and we’ll get to that in a couple of minutes. But it’s an interview I recorded earlier in the day with Professor Andrew Joyce of The Occidental Observer.

But welcome to the show. I hope I find you well in these very precarious times. The days of lockdowns, and masks, and hypocrisy, and audacity, at levels we’ve never witnessed. And just the double standards of these clowns that are coming into the White House on this, you know, inauguration day.

And I mean, some of the scenes there are just ridiculous. It’s just military everywhere. I mean, I don’t know where to start, but I’m not going to go too much into, because I want to crack on with the interview. And, as I say, that is with Professor Andrew Joyce he’s the author of Talmud and Taboo. He’s a prolific writer he writes for The Occidental Observer and the Occidental Quarterly.

And he’s quite a difficult guy to get. And so, I’m thrilled to have him on the show here tonight, or to have interviewed him earlier for airing it on here tonight. So, without further ado, we’ll just get into it. As I say that’s Andrew Joyce from The Occidental Observer. So this is the interview I did with him earlier today. So it’s not out of date. It’s not a few days ago. It’s exactly about six hours ago. So I hope you enjoy that interview.

[03:20]

Paul Stevenson: I’m with historian and writer at The Occidental Observer, Andrew Joyce. He’s a prolific writer and historian. And I believe that you’re also working on a couple of books you mentioned on email. Do you want to just give us a quick analysis of that, Andrew, the books you’re working on? And then we’ll get into the other stuff we mentioned.

Andrew Joyce: Well one is finished and is sitting with Richard Spencer at Washington Summit Publishers. That’s just basically a collection of, or a volume, of essays that I’ve written that are introduced with a 10,000 word introduction, providing an overview of jewish history.

So anyone who’s been following any of my writing over the last almost 10 years at The Occidental Observer will be familiar with the type of content that’s going to involve. The second book which I have an agreement to publish, …

Paul Stevenson: That is Talmud and Taboo isn’t it?

Andrew Joyce: Yes. It’s been renamed “On the Jews”.

Paul Stevenson: Okay.

Andrew Joyce: And the second book which I’ve called The Foundations of the 21st Century. And I have an agreement to publish with Arktos Publishers, is basically a political philosophy unique to me. It’s where I see the world. It’s my worldview in total. So there is a chapter on jewish issues. But there’s also chapters on, for example, feminism, or relations between the sexes, on mass immigration, on economics, on the technology question, and so on, and so forth.

So that book will basically be, if you have any inclination whatsoever to find out how Andrew Joyce sees the world, some of you will think that’s a good thing, the more sensitive among you might think that [chuckling] my world view is very twisted indeed! But that will be an insight into sort of a coherent systematic way of me looking at the world.

So it’s something very different. And all of that content will be brand new. It’s just being a busy man, I try and find as much time as I can for podcasts, I try and find as much time as I can to write essays for The Occidental Observer, and between all of that, and the activities and tasks of day-to-day life, it’s trying to find time to finish these books.

One wishes that one had all the time in the world to complete these things. But being a wage slave this is the sort of the longer time span that it’s taking me to complete these things. So all I will say is, stay tuned. It will be published at some point in the future.

[05:46]

Paul Stevenson: All right. Where can we find those books?

Andrew Joyce: Well, the first one isn’t published yet, that I was talking about, but it will be published by Washington Summit Publishers. The second one will be published by Arktos who have been publishing a lot of stuff, very, very good stuff recently. And I’ll be reviewing some of that shortly for The Occidental Observer. But when they’re published I’ll provide all the necessary links through social media, and so on, so that people can go and purchase them as soon as possible.

Paul Stevenson: All right, okay. So the last time we spoke we were talking about censorship, and we were also talking about Charlottesville. And, as I said, just off air, Charlottesville, the Capitol building is just Charlottesville all over again on steroids. And they’re now actually censoring, not Andrew Joyce, not Paul Stevenson, not E Michael Jones, but the President of the United States! And that even though I’m aware of jewish aggression and audacity, it’s just unprecedented this year, just want to comment on that?

Andrew Joyce: Yeah, this morning I was having a conversation with Nick Griffin. And we were talking about the assault on big tech. And what one of the big things that’s happened over the last four years that we were discussing is the Left wing always did have an unhinged element to it.

But over the last four years we saw the start of it with “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. But it’s reached a hysteria. Now part of that hysteria is genuine. A lot of the Dems and these liberal types and soyboys do have a feminized nature. They are overly sensitized. And some of the things that Trump has said, and some of the ways that’s been twisted in the media to make it look even worse, has caused them to have extreme reactions. And they do go into sort of a fearful and emotive panic.

But there’s also an element that’s always been there where there’s a kind of “knowing hysteria” by which I mean, that certain organizations and certain interested parties – and we know who these people and individuals are – are quite content to act hysterical, and to pretend like Nazis are coming down Pennsylvania Avenue. And all of this is with the express intention of shifting the Overton Window in their direction, and in, as Kevin MacDonald’s phrase goes, in shaping “ways of seeing”.

They want the lexicon that we use to describe our politics to shift dramatically in favor of their politics. And one of the offshoots that we’ve seen recently of all of this activity has been that there has been a change in the terminology from describing our politics simply as bigotry, or simply as racism, or ignorance, towards describing what we’re doing is “terroristic”, “criminal”, and so on, and so forth. And all of this cultural change the shaping of ways of seeing.

This change in the language has had the effect of softening up certain bodies, particularly the tech industry, but also believe me it’s going to move into the judiciary, and into the interpretation of existing laws very, very soon. All of this has the effect of paving the way for mass censorship.

And I’ve noticed in recent years, in particular I’ve been writing about it since 2016, probably 2015 actually, is that organizations like the Anti-Defamation League in the United States, organizations like the Community Security Trust in Britain, or the Campaign Against Anti-semitism, or the Board of Deputies of British jews, or the Council of jewish German citizens of the jewish Faith. All of these international bodies are very much interested in censorship. And they’ve stopped going after individuals, and individual videos.

I mean, you’re talking there earlier Paul, about how the last podcast that we recorded. One of which was on jewish history, the other was on sort of jewish responses to Charlottesville. Those videos were very, very quickly censored on YouTube. And it’s actually very difficult for anyone to have an interview with me on YouTube regardless of how careful and polished my language might be, regardless of how well referenced the things that I’m discussing are! They will be removed very quickly.

[10:16]

Well, we’ve seen an evolution from that stage where videos and people are banned to whole platforms, and indeed the President being banned. So they’re not going after Johnny Troll on Twitter anymore. They’re basically putting massive pressure on Twitter itself and threatening them with sanctions, or they’re not trying to censor individual users on Parler. They want Parler itself deplatformed. So the scale of censorship has extrapolated massively since Charlottesville. And again the warnings were made, not many people listened.

And unfortunately, as I was tweeting recently, polarization is good if there’s a genuine pendulum effect in terms of action between the poles. So you have Right-wing action which provokes a harsh Left-wing response which in turn provokes a Right-wing response of equal, or more serious gravity. The problem of the last four years has been that while Trump has ushered in a period of massive cultural change – and there has been a cultural shift there almost to the point of there being some kind of revolutionary potential within that great mass of the GOP voter body.

What we have actually – this is disappointingly seen – is that there’s kind of been a pendulum between token gestures from the Right and massive action from the Left. So token gestures and saying we’re gonna clamp down this on migrants, and Trump with the Muslim ban, or whatever. These are kind of token efforts really when all is said and done in terms of how reversible these things are, and in terms of how meaningful they are even at that stage. That swings into massive media overreaction! Into massive agitation for legal challenges and so on, and so forth.

And the Right for the last four years has not been able to swing back to pendulum with anywhere near the force that the Left has done. And the result of all of this is that we have a massive body of legitimate voters in the United States who have been more, or less, declared “terroristic”. Whose politics has been declared beyond the pale. And it’s hard to see at the minute – and to be honest, I don’t have a totally black-pilled attitude on any of this actually – I think there’s a lot of grounds for optimism.

But right now it’s like we’re seeing the absolute pinnacle of this upswing and left action. We see Biden come into office. He’s put 18 so-called engaged jews into the Cabinet. And by “engaged jews” I would interpret that to mean that they are zionist. That they are fully on board with the censorship agenda. And these people are occupying positions like the Department for Homeland Security, or head of the CIA. They’re not messing around anymore! This is a culmination of years of agitation and working.

And they have used Trump in a way, at the Left. And they have for all the waves that he was creating they have rode those waves into office. And now it’s a kind of wait and see, to see how all this unfolds.

[13:19]

Paul Stevenson: Yeah, well there’s no doubt about it. I mean, they have seriously made their move. And, as I said, we mentioned the aggression and the speed of it in the last 12 months. But I think that it could be a good thing. I mean, do you, because you have these institutions being sewn up now. And yet is that voter base that you mentioned, Trump’s voter base is a real force even if they do get manipulated. And Trump has been manipulated.

But for every action there is a reaction. And so they’re bringing in the fight. I mean, there’s been sparring for, you know, it’s like it’s a boxing match, they’ve been feeling each other out for 10 rounds. And now it’s going into, you know, it’s going toe-to-toe. I mean, I think secession is something, which is possible. I mean, I don’t know whether I can actually see a civil war.

But when you look at the two forces in the United States just say – we’ll look at Europe in a minute – there’s no common ground there. And any civilization I think which doesn’t even have any ethnic, or cultural cohesion, and now just no political cohesion and agreement. How can this continue, you know? Something has to give!

Andrew Joyce: Something has to give. But let’s go back to this analogy of the boxing match. Right, we do have two broad ideologies we do have two poles that are coming toe to toe. That’s true. The problem is that one of the ideologies, one of the opponents if we stick to this boxing analogy, insists on tying at least one of the hands of his opponent, behind his back. And this tying is happening in a number of ways.

We’ve got the Tech censorship. We’ve got the kind of and even within the GOP, there’s this kind of establishmentarian agreement that certain subjects, and certain actions, and certain provocations, will now be off limits. And, as I said, declared quasi-terroristic, or at least dangerous to the establishment, to the Constitution, and what have you. They will portray patriots as unpatriotic. This is the ironic and paradoxical situation which we’re now seeing unfolding.

[15:38]

But there are other problems afoot. I mean, yes we can talk about secession, but the most recent news coming out of the Biden camp is that one of his first actions is going to be to grant a massive amnesty, at least to around 11 million migrants. But there are projections that’s going to affect a much larger proportion, a much higher number, much higher proportion of the population. And that in turn there will be a kind of softening of the borders, once more severe softening of the borders to the extent that there is within the next four years of massive migrant influx into the United States.

All of that and Nick Griffin had pointed this out an article he wrote in November for the Unz Review called “Wither America – the Moment the Republic Died”. Nick Griffin points out that it’s not going to be the blue states that all of these migrants are going to gain their citizenship. All these Mexicans are going to be in places like Texas, or New Mexico. A lot of the red states.

And automatically, … And it’s not dyed in the wool, not all of the Mexicans are going to vote Democrat, because some of them, because of hostility towards abortion, for example, will vote Republican that will continue. But they’ll vote for a Republicanism that’s kind of anodyne, that’s kind of bleached of any ethnic patriotism, of course. So even when they vote Republican it will be with a soft edge.

But predominantly I think we can agree that most of these new migrants will vote Democrat. They’ll vote with the welfare budgets. They’ll vote with what the material provisions can be provided to them. So that they very well may become a massive Democrat voting base, within the red states.

So the red states in terms of their being able to vote themselves into a state of secession, or even push themselves onwards, towards some kind of state of civil war. And I’m not saying that a civil war would even be the best idea to be honest. But I don’t think it’s going to be cut and dry. I don’t think that, that yes, there’s a definitely a massive competition going on the minute between ideologies. But I think it’s quite nuanced. And I think that there are no easy ways of disentangling ourselves from some of these complexities.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah you mentioned there earlier that people didn’t listen. A century ago Henry Ford wrote the book, The International Jew and no one listened then, either. And he talks in here about “audacity”. Is it as simple as extracting jewish power and influence from Western civilization? Because to me, that would seem to really create an opportunity for stability. Because, I mean, they are the people who are causing the destruction. And yet no one mentions them. And Henry Ford warned about this a century ago. And people still aren’t mentioned the jewish influence.

Andrew Joyce: Yep. I mean, let’s get back, let’s strip back to basics, first of all, when we talk about jewish influence in Western societies.

Jews possesses, let’s just say jews possess a certain suite of characteristics. One of which is, as Kevin MacDonald has pointed out, psychological aggression. And the other being above average intelligence. Both of those things mean that they are very efficient workers in obtaining and acquiring power. Together, of course, with ethnocentrism. Because then it’s a team effort.

So those things automatically mean that you have, given that these jews, you know, possess a contrary ideology, shall we say, and then in conjunction with those characteristics, then you have a very, very capable opponent. And when they’re particularly adept at wealth acquisition, on obtaining resources, your problems multiply further.

So whenever we talk about removing jewish influence, or challenging it, jewish influence is always, yes it’s standalone. But it’s always integrated into a wider system, because jews themselves are numerically small element of the population. That is primarily throughout historical time, been their weakness. And so they rely on networks of allies, normally elite allies. When the elites let them down as they did in Russia at the end of the 20th century, then they forged new allies. So that could be through a communist elite, or an entirely different elite.

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But they’re quite fluid in strategies. And when I say “strategies”, I don’t mean that they gather in meeting rooms and come up with a set of Protocols of what to do in that particular year. But what I do mean is that even on an individual basis, an ideological jew will know what’s in his best interests, and will aggressively pursue them.

Now if we were able to click our fingers and remove the likes of, well he’s now removed himself I suppose, or death has, Sheldon Adelson from the equation, you’ll still be left with the structure in which jews are integrated. And it is an unfortunate fact that although we are in opposition to very much of what jews are doing in modern society, that there is a systemic problem.

And that there are people – and people like Edward Dutton have described them as “mutants” – they are sort of these maladaptive people who over time have come to adopt these spiteful attitudes towards the healthy, and the normal, and the beautiful. These people will still exist and they will still have a kind of revolutionary potential within them as well. A tendency towards degradation. A tendency to towards the fermenting of declining culture and so on.

But certainly when we look at some of the most harmful aspects of what’s affecting society right now, which is the rampant consumerism, the debt-based culture, pornography, and the general decline of morals, there’s little point in denying that jews have been, being themselves highly intelligent and aggressive, at the forefront, of so many of these moves.

So again, I would have to answer that question with some nuance, and say even if we could click our fingers and remove every stridently ideological committed and highly identified jew, that we would still have some way to go to fixing the deep existential problems that have wracked Western civilization, probably since the French revolution.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah. Because the system is so badly infected now that even if you remove the problem it would still be sick, if I could use that kind of analogy. It would eventually probably recover, but it would take it would take a lot of time, basically.

If you could point to a period in history as the pivotal turning point for the decline and the destruction that Western civilization has seen, what would it be would it be? Would it be the Federal Reserve coming into the United States?

Andrew Joyce: Well it would be hard to pinpoint a certain stage, or a certain year, at which the decline really began. I believe certainly in the broad view that a lot of our modern problems can be traced to the mass migration of Ashkenazi jews from the Russian Empire to the West, to the United States, and elsewhere, beginning really in the 1880s, and ending about 30 years later.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah.

Andrew Joyce: During that time you basically have a massive objective social problem that had made a nuisance of itself in the Russian Empire for at least a century, or two. And it undergoes a massive demographic boom. It’s well trained in things like money lending, and credit, and sort of, I suppose, cultural manipulation, you could say in a way. And in the forging of ties with elites. And for various reasons, one of which is that they kind of outgrow their own resources.

We get these pogrom narratives which emerge. Some of which are justified, many of which, and most of which are not justified, and are, in fact, complete inventions and embellishments. Riding a crest of manufactured sympathy, millions, upon millions, of these jews migrate to the West! And once there, some of them involve themselves in starting to promote bolshevism. Others begin selling pornography. And just generally involving themselves in the trade in vice, in the growth of their financial power.

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The second generation moves into the professions. They have a devastating effect on academia. They have a devastating effect once they get into the media and acquire newspapers and control over television stations. And they push their own political agenda.

And that political agenda isn’t strictly Left, or Right, because as we’ve seen with the Trump and Biden change over, the one thing that hasn’t changed despite this superficial sea change between left and right. One thing that hasn’t changed is that the administration remains zionist. It remains committed to censorship of opinions beneficial to the native White majority of the United States. And there’s a certain core set of interests and goals which will continue to be adhered to!

And I remember years ago, I think it was during the Nathan Cofnas affair. Cofnas was making the argument that there are no such thing as jewish interests, or at least he was saying that Kevin MacDonald is saying that the work of the Frankfurt School, for example, could not be perceived as being in tune with jewish interests. Because certain, you know, promoting communism, he was saying, wasn’t in tune with jewish interests. But these are all superficial matters of nomenclature and terminology.

Nathan Cofnas

When you actually scratch beneath the surface there are no contradictions, no paradoxes. And in actual fact there’s this very, very steady adherence to core principles within the jewish community.

And any native White American, or European, or Australian, or what have you, in trying to push for their interest, it’s natural, it’s not even a conscious engagement in hostility, they’re just naturally going to come into conflict with contrary ideologies, with contrary interests and goals.

I mean, I wrote a few months ago a long essay, nearly 9,000 words, on the merits and inadequacies of this middle man minority theory, and explaining the jews. And one of the founders of that theory. And, in actual fact, in the late 1960s early 70s, a Marxist American historian called Edna Bonacich, and she was jewish. She said that you can come up with all kinds of explanations you want for the phenomena like anti-semitism. You can say that it’s self-generated, but really it’s quite clear to see that what’s going on here is a clash of interests. And it’s not particularly the fault of any one people. It’s just that there is a clash of interest. Jews have separate goals from us! They have separate things that will benefit them.

We can go back to Barbara Roche, for example, the politician and Tony Blair’s Labour government who said that she just felt safer and more at home in a multicultural street in London, than she would if it was all White people.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah.

Andrew Joyce: This is a kind of a naturalistic way of looking at it. This is the way things are!

Paul Stevenson: Yeah. Whatever’s in their interest. It was interesting that Douglas Murray mentioned Barbara Roche, and he identified her as a jew, as well, and then backed off from it. But anyway! [chuckling]. His work though is worthwhile I think. Some of the work Douglas Murray’s done, you know.

Andrew Joyce: Like a lot of gatekeepers, Douglas Murray is useful only in so far as he doesn’t close the door.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah.

Andrew Joyce: Of someone moving on further. And the problem with a lot of gatekeepers, and you’ll find this normally with sort of free speech types, is you’ll get someone who comes up.

I mean, in the UK they have this Lawrence Fox guy. And that Lawrence Fox will say controversial things about transsexuals. And he’ll say controversial things about woke, diversity, and British period dramas appearing on the TV. But Lawrence Fox himself has come out and declared other opinions to be beyond the pale.

So that’s a gatekeeper that’s useless! That’s a gatekeeper that will funnel votes into something that’s not going to go anywhere. That’s someone who is trying to protect his own little niche, and make some money by delineating the fact that he is not XY, or Z. He is saying:

“I want free speech to be able to say this. But we should all agree that we shouldn’t give free speech to these people!”

Paul Stevenson: Yeah!

Andrew Joyce: So Douglas Murray I’ve always perceived in that way. Add to the fact that he’s, shall we say, “one of them” [homosexual] [chuckling]. Yeah, you know, I don’t know, the “The Strange Death of Europe” is a good book. Don’t get me wrong it’s a fast, easy, punchy, good book. I haven’t read The Madness of Crowds. I have no inclination, or intention of doing so.

But certainly “The Strange Death of Europe” is a good gateway book, as I said, in my review. My problem with Murray is just that I see him increasingly as someone who is a dead end gateway.

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Paul Stevenson: Yeah, well there’s quite a few of them and, as you say, they believe in free speech, you know, and unless it gets, how should you put it? You know, too edgy, or unpalatable. And then they’ll be quite quick to throw you under the bus at that point.

Andrew Joyce: Oh yeah.

Paul Stevenson: Right. You were you mentioned there that you were speaking to Nick Griffin about tactics and stuff. So we could touch on that again. I’ll just quote [Henry] Ford it says at his time:

“Judah has begun the struggle. Judah has made the invasion, let it come. Let no man fear it, but let every man insist that the fight be fair. Let college students and leaders of thought know that the objective is the regency of the ideas and the race that have built all the civilization we see, and that promises all the civilization of the future. Let them also know that the attacking force is jewish!

That is all that will be necessary. It is against it is against this that the jew protests. ‘You must not identify us’. They say you must not use the term ‘jew’. Why? Because unless the jewish idea can creep in under the assumption of, other than jewish origin, it is doomed!”

Now, so he said that is all that will be necessary. Have we gone beyond that, because of what we said about their entanglement and the wider systematic and institutions of Western civilization? Or what did you and Nick Griffin come up with?

Andrew Joyce: Well. I mean, we were talking tactics in general I suppose, rather than jewish matters specifically. But what you’ve quoted there from Ford, and it’s been a long time since I read Ford. But what he says there is very, very strikingly similar, in fact, to what Hillaire Belloc writes in The Jews. And I think Henry Ford might have published The International Jew maybe in 1920, maybe 1921. Hillaire Belloc published The Jews in 1922.

In a lot of ways it’s a more sober, more reflective book, and probably a better book to be honest. It’s certainly one of the best books on the subject that I’ve read. Not many people have read it I did do a very long, I think almost ten thousand word, review of it for the Occidental Observer, because it was on sale for a time as part of Amazon’s Forgotten Books series. So it was back in print.

I think that my review actually may have prompted certain bodies to put pressure on Amazon to remove it from print. So, I’m not actually sure. So when we finish this conversation, perhaps go and look it up. I certainly will just out of curiosity to see if it’s still for sale.

But in The Jews Belloc does say that one of the fundamental ways of moving forward from the sort of the anti-semitic state of affairs. He describes it as a tension, or a friction and society between jews that is natural between them and the host population.

He said the only way to remove this, isn’t through sort of expulsion and segregation and all these different things. It’s simply to get things to throw them all forward, to cast them all in front of you, to ventilate them, and let a discussion take place. Avoid the friction, rather than always covering it up, which builds tension and which must itself eventually escape. And normally, because it’s bottled up for so long it escapes in very dramatic and often violent fashion. This was Belloc’s theory.

So what Ford and Belloc are both saying there is that we need sort of public discussion. We need to be able to say look, in the context of major mainstream media, to be able to have a debate and say:

“Is it healthy, for example, that Biden has, already 18 confirmed quote-unquote ‘engaged jews’ in the cabinet?”

A massive over-representation relative to their numbers in the population! And perhaps not so overrepresented when we look at who’s sort of in charge of the finances, and who’s really influential in America. But that influence in itself we need to put back into perspective and say:

“Is this desirable? Is this good? Is it good that we have this ongoing commitment to Israel? Is it good that we have so many of our media executives preaching diversity, yet in themselves as viewed as a community not diverse in the slightest, they’re all part of the same Ashkenazi ethnic group, many of them intermarried, or interrelated!”

So there is something to be said for that. Yes, in an ideal world that would be a good idea, that would be something worth doing. But we should always come back to the fact that these writers were writing a century ago.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah.

Andrew Joyce: And they were writing at a time where certain laws which are now in place did not exist. They were writing at a time when you could say certain things and make certain proposals, without fear of either massive social ostracism, or the threat of imprisonment. We’re facing all those things and more.

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So simply going around and saying:

“We need to be able to chat about the jews.”

Is not going to affect anything, anymore! We are long past that stage. And it may well be that in dealing with the issue of jewish influence we have to go around the subject. It may be so impossible to go through it anymore.

This doesn’t mean that we all stop talking about jews. This doesn’t mean that we don’t write about the history. That we don’t analyze the contemporary situation. That will always be a place for it. Webzines like The Occidental Observer, or individual people like David Duke, what have you. Or a Michael Jones who want to say what they want to say about jews. There will always be a place for that.

But in terms of creating a mass movement, or channeling mass energy of the type that Trump has managed to almost inadvertently, let’s face it, because his actual concrete policies can’t really be held responsible for the massive enthusiasm. It’s part personality, it’s part balled up desire among the American population just to see someone like Trump!

Paul Stevenson: Yeah!

Andrew Joyce: And so a lot of projections onto his personality, and onto him, and what he’s done has taken place. There’s a lot of projection there.

Paul Stevenson: I’m really glad you said that actually. It’s a really good point. Because I couldn’t agree more. But it’s almost by accident, or just cult of personality that he has just had this mood, this bottled up tension, and anger, and frustration just projected on to one man, whose ego loves it!

Andrew Joyce: Yeah. Yes. So accident, or not, what Trump has done is he has created a kind of revolutionary pool of anticipation and latent action, which has not been channeled so far into anything ultimately productive.

Now the question then, if we come back to what we’re talking about, is this is the way forward for that massive pool of people to go to them and say we need to start talking about jews? I’m not convinced. There are a number of overlapping problems there some of them will have a religious affinity with jews, based on all kinds of corruptions from their scriptures, and so on, and so forth.

And on top of that there is a massive cultural indoctrination project, which has been ongoing for a long time, really since the Second World War, which has made those ideas the ultimate taboo.

So when you’re trying to bring those people down a path you don’t hit them with the final destination straight away. They have a bit to go on the journey, before they get to that stage.

So we need to figure out what are the other landmarks on the journey that they need to reach. And that’s part of the problem.

The other problem is that at the minute this there is this massive pool of revolutionary potential. But it’s very delicate, and it’s quite dissolvable, and it could once again just disappear into a massive silent so-called “silent majority”. So what do you do there you have to solidify it.

And what Nick Griffin has suggested in his article that was published at the Unz Review in November is that there needs to be a real solid, grassroots, connected movement built on kind of upper working class people. He’s talking about the, or lower middle class, the truck drivers, the farmers now, the people whose interests are under attack.

I mean, you’ve got these truck drivers who are often self-employed, who are ambitious people, prudent and sober for the most part, hard-working who have a potential to be kind of leaders at the local scene. And their jobs are under threat. Their jobs are under threat from technologization. They’re talking about moving the entirety of the trucking industry into kind of automated trucking now. How far away that is difficult to set this stage. But it’s coming down the line.

And what that will do is America, … I don’t know if you’ve ever been there. But I lived there for long periods, and you need to drive almost everywhere you go. And everything relies on driven freight in terms of delivering groceries and so on, and so forth. And supplies and raw materials. Truck drivers are a massive element of the sort of lower middle class with America. And so it’s a way for relatively uneducated people to make a decent salary. And when their jobs go it will be a kind of another massive blow to the White population.

So there’s a core of potential there. And ditto for the farmers. I mean, we’ve got this climate change nonsense which just keeps escalating in all different directions. This anti-meat drive where they’re wanting us to move on to a diet of bugs and so on. And some of its been overplayed. And some of it is kind of pipe dream thinking on the part of the Left. But it’s still there. And it’s an antagonism. And it’s kind of black propaganda against farmers.

So there is a potential there. But it’s how to bring those people along, further along the journey. And it’s not going to be easy, it’s not going to be quick. But there are grounds for optimism in the fact that we’re against a very obvious, and very radical left government now.

Whereas with Trump you’re kind of, you’re moving through mud! You’re surrounded by, you’re just in a thicket of conflicting ideologies, you’ve got all kinds of Right-wing patriotism that are shot through with zionism and other kinds of kind of wokeness, and promoting gays in Africa, and all the rest of it! So we’re out of the thicket now, where we should be able to see things clearer. And that is a grounds for optimism.

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Paul Stevenson: Yeah. The other, of course, the other big difference and challenge that the writers of Belloc and Ford didn’t have to face at that time is, of course, the huge demographic shifts that we’re now facing. That has occurred since that century, you know. I mean, it’s demographically unrecognizable from a century ago, both in Europe and the West, or in the United States.

Andrew Joyce: And it’s accelerating. I mean, I saw a couple of tweets recently which I agree with and I tweeted myself saying basically, look there’s no immediate way that we’re going to be able to stop Biden from going ahead with this amnesty. And amnesting so many millions of illegal immigrants. And then, basically softening up the borders to allow in millions more.

Some people are saying it could affect 40 to 50 million people and coming into America, or acquiring citizenship, and so on.

And equally with the events now, in the UK, where they’re talking about granting residency status to over five million Hong Kong Chinese overnight. And in addition to the fact that immigration has not slowed one bit!

Paul Stevenson: Accelerated!

Andrew Joyce: In fact, accelerated. And we see the same issues in Germany and France, and so on, all the way all the way through the European continent, except the kind of the Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, that sort of ripping off, off towards the east. But the rest of us would be very, very badly affected.

There’s no immediate way that we’re going to be able to stop this. That’s not a black pill that’s just basically accepting reality. Is that there are no laws going to be passed within the next year that stop that happening. So it’s coming!

So strategically, as a movement, and as I suppose as a culture, we’re a culture as much, or a subculture, as much as a political movement at the moment. There needs to be a conversation that moves increasingly in the direction of kind of White entrenchment. Or if you don’t, you know, some people even in our circles don’t like the view of us all is just White.

But in terms of our individual nationalism as well, you know, let’s view what does an entrenchment of the English look like? What is an entrenchment of the Scots, or the Irish, or the Welsh, or the French, or the Germans? What does it look like? We need to have those conversations. Because pipe dreams about an instantaneous reconquista, in the present context are at best wishful thinking, and worse the waste of time, exactly!

Paul Stevenson: What else did, … So let’s just look at Europe and what did you and Nick Griffin come up with regards to Europe?

Andrew Joyce: Well, Nick, I mean, I’m going to try and get a hold of the book. But Nick actually he showed me a book that he’s written, called Deus Vult, something like The Return to a Muscular Christianity.

Nick’s world view is sort of through the lens of Christianity. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Paul Stevenson: Is he a Christian?

Andrew Joyce: He is, yes. And he’s been heavily involved with the kind of the Christian patriot movements throughout continental Europe. And he is stripping it right back to basics in terms of what does the most grassroots level of White activism looks like. And it’s very, very basic stuff. I mean, he was talking about food banks, and charity shops, and mother and baby groups, people who kind of assist each other while providing each other with furniture, or finding somewhere to live. Community support that slowly builds up the political structure, that slowly builds up to lobbying groups.

But not with the heavy emphasis on political parties. Nick was saying that, look political parties in the present context – and he was saying this, of course, as Britain’s most electorally successful far-right politician ever – he was saying:

“Look the electoral angle I’ve been down further than anyone else. Eventually you get to a certain point of success where the State will try and destroy the party by destroying its reputation. So the two main parties will just gang up on that upcoming third party.”

So this is the first strategy. And, of course, in 2004 the BBC assisted by the British state put in a secret agent for a documentary called “The Secret Agent” in which they sent someone with to BNP meetings with a little recording camera on the lapel of their jacket. So they could record a few drunks saying a couple of controversial things on camera. And then they tried to expose it to the world.

So this was the first big strategy to disrupt the upcoming BNP. But it had the opposite effect I think the BNP after the documentary come out lost something like 11, or 14 members. But they gained over a thousand within the first week of the documentary showing.

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So people were actually enthused by what they saw. They felt sympathy for the BNP in the way it had been infiltrated. And it was viewed by something like four million people. And one of those four million people was myself. I was a teenager at the time. It switched me on to Nick Griffin, switched me onto the BNP. So that didn’t work. Well two years later massive backing appears out of nowhere for Nigel Farage to become leader of UKIP.

And UKIP is the kind of the Trojan horse that comes in, it diverts a lot of voting energy and middle class sensibility from the BNP in towards UKIP. And the BNP basically dies through that form of kind of controlled opposition, whatever you want to call it. A diversionary process that is put in place.

So there are a number of strategies that existing establishmentarian parties can put in place to crush an up-and-comer. And this is the challenge that faces any up-and-coming electoral party from the Right, from the real Right. So Griffin was basically saying:

“Look going forward, yes have your political parties, but don’t put all your eggs in that basket.”

They are just kind of a veneer. I don’t want to be too cynical and saying that it gives a veneer of respectability, because our politics are respectable. But, you know what I mean. It’s a way, it’s a kind of anchor, or focal point around which the real movement can orbit.

And that in a nutshell was Nick Griffin’s philosophy. It’s what he’s outlined in his book.

I’m going to try and get a hold of the book, so I can read it and possibly review it for the Occidental Observer. And give his ideas a sort of a wider airing. Certainly in the United States where the focus of the movement is predominantly on this kind of online, quasi entertainment, slash social media scene. And outside of which is very little.

I know that there’s the National Justice Party which has been founded by Mike Enoch and his circle. And fair play to them for doing that.

But I think that Griffin’s ideas would do well with a hearing in the United States. But due to the nature of how you become I suppose popular within the American scene, Griffin either isn’t that well known. Because the movement tends to be, certainly is now younger than it ever has been. And a lot of people are just so young that they weren’t politically active at the time that Griffin was most active. Now sort of 15 to 17 years ago. So they’re like:

“Who’s Nick Griffin?”

So I think it falls upon those of us who are younger and who do remember the contributions Nick Griffin made, to revisit him and give a wider hearing to his ideas to other people who would benefit from them.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah, and you mentioned Christianity. I mean, it’s very, very challenging for me as a Christian, to be a Christian in these times. Because the church, that’s another institution, or whatever you want to call it, which has been badly infiltrated stroke infected. I’m not just talking about the Catholic church. And I went to a little local church near where I live so I could have a better fellowship with some Christians. And the ignorance is just off the chart! The exegesis* of the scriptures is awful!

[* Exegesis is a critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially a religious text. Traditionally the term was used primarily for work with the Bible. In modern usage, biblical exegesis is used to distinguish it from other critical text explanation.]

And these people, I told them, I warned them not to go into lockdown, to take a stand and to take what was coming. So that they could be seen to take a stand, because people don’t understand the economic catastrophe which is coming down the tracks.

I warned the church not to go into this lockdown and to take a stand. But not only are they just overwhelmingly ignorant. But they just lack any sort of spine as well. I mean, these are not people to be going into battle with spiritual, or otherwise.

And one of the guys, the elder in the church was doing a talk on racism in the church and he had his back up, because some White Christian apparently that he had heard about that didn’t want his daughter marrying a black guy.

And, of course, you see this was all accepted as like:

“Let’s get rid of racism the church!”

Until they made the mistake of inviting me to that meeting. And I told him, I said.:

“First of all none of your business! What gives you the Right to think that some other guy, what he does with his daughter?”

And I said secondly:

“Is it just that you left your own land of your own free will to come to another man’s land for a better life? Did you not come here for selfish reasons? Where is the injustice?”

And this is the way the church needs to think. And one of the guys said to me:

“I’m not going there!”

I said:

“Well you are going there! You’re the one that brought up the discussion on racism!”

In fact, it was the pastor said to me:

“We’re not going there!”

But this is what you’re dealing with. I mean, these guys are clowns! They’ve got Marxist ideas in the church. They don’t stand for, what I realized was because they wouldn’t take a stand for the church, they certainly wouldn’t take a stand for the White race. Because they would say:

“Oh! We’re Christians! That’s racism!”

A talk on racism in the church, you know?

Andrew Joyce: Yeah.

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Paul Stevenson: And he was upset, because some White guy didn’t want his daughter, or some Christian, didn’t want his daughter marrying and a black guy. And they probably weren’t expecting, you know, they probably thought they were going to jump through their hoops of how racist this was, and how unChristian this was. Because you get this all the time, you know! They’re always trying to tie your hands behind your back if you’re a Christian.

And I said to him:

“First of all it’s none of your business, what a guy does with his daughter.”

And I said secondly:

“You left Ghana of your own free will to come to another man’s land without consulting him, or asking him. So you could have a better life!”

I said:

“So don’t sit there whinging about your hard life, and about racism in the church!”

And it all kind of kicked off, you know! And the relationships were never really repaired. Because when I said that they were outside of what would be considered Christian by selfishly leaving their land to go to another man’s land for their own benefit. And then they come complaining. And I pointed out this wasn’t very Christian. They said:

“Oh, we’re not going there.”

And I said:

“Well, because you’re not having a discussion on racism, you’re having a discussion on Western Cultural Marxism!”

So I mean, the church is a very lonely place to be.

Andrew Joyce: Of course! I recently reviewed a book by Julian Langella, a French Catholic associated with one of the founders actually of Generation Identity over there and in his book, Catholic and Identitarian, he gets into the kind of the nitty gritty of how he views his church as being completely overrun with these kind of ideologies. There are one, or two exceptions to the rule. But the fact is that the rule is quite depressing indeed. And, as you say, they engage in all these sort of diversionary strategies.

I mean, I was recently reading a review of, because I’m talking about The Merchant of Venice later, a review of the movie The Merchant of Venice with Al Pacino. And one of the reviewers had said that there’s clearly been a lot of sort of diversionary strategies employed here in trying to get away from the fact that in the play Shylock is a very unpleasant person.

Well I think that in a lot of the churches there’s a lot of diversionary strategies to get away from any of the kind of national, or even under jewish content, that’s in the Bible.

So things are being sort of worked on, on an ad hoc basis in order to construct all ideologies, whether it’s religion, or politics, around the interests of the (((group))) that we keep talking about.

So yeah, it is a depressing state of affairs. But it’s going to be incumbent on people like yourselves, I suppose, to keep pushing at that door until it gives way.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah. And I warned them not to go into lockdown. I remember talking to them about bolshevism and what happened in Russia in the 20th century to Christians, to try and get their attention. And I said to them:

“Do not go into lockdown! Do not give up more ground! I said the church has given up ground all the time. And just stand your ground and let the persecution come!”

But they wouldn’t listen. And they sort of did a lot of exegetical gymnastics, which I rebuked about, because they say:

“Oh, we must obey the authorities.”

And then they leave out, conveniently leave out, the next passage that Paul says. That what the legitimate role of the authorities is, is to keep law and order. And that is it! Nothing to do with public health! Nothing to do with telling you what you can do in your church, and whether you should go to church. But they don’t stand for anything.

And what I realized is none of these guys who are White are going to like get into the White guy thing. Because they’ll say:

“Oh well that’s racist. And we’re really good Christians!”

But what I realized then, is that people who don’t stand for anything, don’t stand for anything!

Andrew Joyce: Yeah.

Paul Stevenson: You know, they wriggled out of standing up for Christianity when it came to it. It was very, very demoralizing, quite frankly. But is there anything else you want to just add Andrew? And I’ll let you go and thank you for joining me.

Andrew Joyce: Just to say that it’s been a pleasure, once again Paul, to speak with you. I’m sorry we haven’t been able to speak more frequently. But it is always a pleasure, and we always get down to the real meat and bones of the problems that we’re facing, whenever we do speak. So I look forward, whenever it happens again, to speaking with you.

Paul Stevenson: Yeah, you too! And take care, and blessings to you and your family and we’ll keep in touch on email as ever, you know.

Andrew Joyce: Thanks Paul.

Paul Stevenson: Thanks Andrew take care. Bye.

All right. Well there goes Andrew Joyce! Andrew Joyce is, you know, he’s just a really impressive guy! Go and read his articles. I mean, the research, the amount of time, and an effort, and documentation, that goes into the research of these guys! When you think of some of the clowns that they put forth these days as journalists, and journalism. And then you read articles from Andrew Joyce, and Tobias Langdon, and others. And most others who do proper journalism, this is the irony, they document things, they present arguments, which are in most cases unequivocal. And then you have these clowns on the Left accusing, such as fake news, conspiracy theories, but alas that’s the word we live in. You know, it’s very Orwellian!

[55:37]

But that’s Andrew Joyce, he’s a great guy! He’s got integrity. And apart from being a great writer, he’s got great character. There’s a lot of people want to get a hold of Andrew recently, because he hasn’t been doing many podcasts. And so, I’m very chuffed really that we were able to get him on here tonight, on Revision Media. Hopefully we can get him on again at least once this year. He’s always been upfront about when he can, and when he will, or what’s going on.

But you can check out his work at The Occidental Observer, and on Twitter, as well. I’m not really sure, I meant to get his Twitter address. But I’ll try and find it for the link when I put the video together on YouTube. And you can find the link for his Twitter account on my YouTube channel, which is Paul Edward Stevenson. Or you can just like check it out yourself. See if you can find it. I meant, as I said, I meant to get it off from earlier. But I didn’t.

But it was great to speak to him again. It was good for morale, for me personally. He is a leader, and he’s the kind of guy that we need here in the West in the current climate that we’re facing. So again, really glad to get them on.

The Occidental Observers is were you’ll find his articles. In depth, fascinating articles! And I would encourage anybody to go and read them. And also a lot of the stuff at The Occidental Observer. I mean, they’re not anti-Christian there, which is great as well.

So yeah, I will wrap it up there. I’ll be back next Wednesday here on Revision Media. I’ll also be live with Richard Kerry on Beyond the Official Narrative. I’m there every Monday as a co-host with Richard at 12 p.m central time, 1 p.m eastern time, 6 p.m here in the UK.

So until then folks, have a great week, and take care. And god bless you.

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Is Populism and Patriotism Enough?

Paul Rimmer

May 5, 2020

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[00:08]

Simon: Okay. Hello everyone. And welcome to European Freedom livestream number 23! And I’ve called this one “Is Populism and Patriotism Enough”. And we’ve got a really great guest tonight. Veteran activist Paul Rimmer. So we’ve got a really good show ahead of us. But before I introduce Paul, I’m gonna talk to my mate it’s Horus. How’s it going?

Horus: Good thanks Simon. Yeah it’s lovely and sunny here, but it’s a cold wind. Yeah I had a nice big satisfying dinner. I’m doing all right. How are you doing?

Simon: I’m doing okay. Did you have a Viennetta for pudding?

Horus: [laughter] No just a bit of chocolate.

Simon: Or it’s just special?

Horus: No we had one on Sunday [laughter] actually.

Simon: I had strawberries and very, very classic vanilla ice cream. So I’m doing okay really. Okay I have to ask you the eternal question. What’s the state of the video? It’s been about six weeks since the last video mate!

Horus: No more. Yeah I recorded another part to it the other day and I’m gonna record another one tomorrow as well. So it’s gonna be six parts. And then I’ve still got to edit a lot of it as well. So I don’t know. Still not ready.

Simon: Months and months!

Horus: Yeah, sorry. I did a live stream with Haryan Gláeddyv [Silver Sword] on Saturday though. If people wanna watch something on my channel, check out my channel for that.

Simon: Okay great! Okay now we’ve got to introduce our fantastic guest, who is Paul Rimmer, who’s a veteran activist. I use this in the broadest sense there, the word, because we’re gonna talk about a bit about his political history. And he and I have been chatting. Well not chatting really kind of interacting mainly through the comments section of my videos for about 6 months, or so. Haven’t we Paul?

Paul: Yep.

Simon: And I’ve heard of you before that from EDL [02:02] activist Johnny Banks, who I’ve been friends with for years. And, in fact, I streamed with him about three years ago. And I should have should sense of a message today’s to say that you were on. He’ll probably be annoyed with me now. But I suppose really. And this is my introduction to you. I think we’re gonna discover over the course of this conversation some differences in our points of view.

But I think immediately, or certainly I felt, I was really pleased to see you in the comments, because I’ve heard of you. And I think we’ve kind of hit it off immediately. And I suppose what I want to get out of this conversation is that nationalist, Patriots, we’re all in this together and should be moving more, or less in the Right in the same direction. I don’t know why what you think about that mate?

Paul: Absolutely! Yeah, I think unity is the key really. I mean, we’ve all got the same purpose which is to save our nations. But we need to come together to achieve that. If we don’t come together we fight it as small groups and individuals it’s just self effort. It will get nowhere. But if we have purpose but no unity, it will all just be self-indulgence. We’ve got to come together and sort of pool our resources, because we’ve got one heck of a fight going on!

Simon: Yeah definitely. Because really we’re in the state of its “make-or-break” isn’t it? We’re fighting for survival in the West here. We’re approaching a very crucial moment in our history.

Paul: I think we’re in desperate times to be honest. The scale of immigration, and the collapse of our own demographic sort of reproduction is frightening! I mean, this is going to augment massive changes over the next two decades. And if we don’t wake up we’re just going to be pushed aside! And we’ll be, you know, consigned to the [04:00] rubbish bin of history.

Simon: Yeah definitely. I suppose the point, the place I wanted to start with really was how you and I kind of got to know each other. You started commenting on my videos back in October, when the whole thing in Catalonia kicked off.

And I suppose what we could establish first is the similarities in our positions. I slowly came to the conclusion that’s Catalan nationalism the Catalan independence movement is its false nationalism. It’s globalism, international Socialism, you know, masquerading as nationalism really.

Yeah, how do you view for Spain from Liverpool? I’ve heard you talk quite a lot about the Vox party. But how do you view the situation in Catalonia?

Paul: It’s a bit like Scotland really. It’s these sort of micro nationalisms. These sort of fracturing nationalisms, which want to attack the established nation-states. And they’ve taken on this, … Being sort of infiltrated by Marxists I would say. Who’ve managed to get themselves at the head of these pseudo nationalist movements and have pulled them dramatically to the Left!

So although they seem to be using terms like National Party, or calling for national autonomy they are, in fact, destroying the areas that they’ve taking power over! So it’s quite deceptive really what they’re doing!

Simon: Isn’t it interesting that lots of these nationalists, we talk about this quite often, because obviously I’m in Catalonia. But the SNP, Catalonia, Plaid Cymru to a certain extent, Sein Fein in Ireland, as well. And even in Quebec. All these kind of false nationalisms end up selling out to the whole multiculturalism, diversity, [06:01], or what we call the “Globohomo” agenda. Have you got any theories as to why this is? I personally think they’re designed to be this way.

Paul: I think they buy into a grievance politics. And they make themselves out as victims, and they develop this false narrative where they’ve been abused throughout history. And they’re still being abused today. And it’s not true! I mean, Scotland was a partner with England to create the British Empire!

Catalonia has always been the most prosperous region of Spain, and the most privileged region of Spain! But they seem to want to present themselves as the victims of some big bully. And it’s a fiction. And in order to maintain that fiction they go further and further to the Left. And for me it’s absurdity!

But! There’s money in it! This is the thing, these activists these left-wing nationalist activist, they’re getting control of institutions they’re getting control of government organizations, and they’re raking in the money! And there’s a built-in incentive to keep it going. Even though I’m not quite sure what they want, at the end of the day, because do they really want to fracture these very successful nations? I mean, that would be disastrous!

Simon: I mean, I don’t know what you think about it, Horus go ahead.

Horus: Now you’ve mentioned before Simon the Open Society Foundation got involved in the Catalan struggle as well. Is that right?

Simon: Yeah, because Open Society Foundation is very, the whole Soros thing is deeply embedded here. Soros hasn’t got offices in every city, but he’s got offices in Barcelona. The reason why, I mean, I think everybody on the stream knows that I was kind of heavily involved in the independence movement.

And I used to have a show on in English radio in Catalonia. And we got head hunted by Catalan national radio to do a show for them. And it would have been, we started [08:02] to move in the highest circles of Catalan left-wing independence politics. And there were Soros types everywhere. There’s a kind of foreign office, kind of Catalan foreign office called Diplocat [The Public Diplomacy Council of Catalonia]. I think three of the people that work there, three out of the seven people that work there also work for Soros. There’s also a think tank called CIDOB, where the people that work there works on government policy. Where the people that work there move between open societies foundations. So they’re completely embedded. Catalonia really is a color revolution, completely!

Horus: And that’s where money becomes a factor for the activists, like Paul said as well, right? I mean, Soros is a sort of a fountain of money isn’t he?

Simon: Yeah. And also what’s very unfortunate is the useful idiots. I spent a lot of time with useful idiots, who actually believed in globalism! They actually are firmly committed to the destruction of their own culture, their own country. They want to break away from Spain and fill it with migrants!

Okay, before I stop, I’m gonna add one more thing. You’ve probably heard of “Open Arms” the group that saves refugees, or fake refugees. Well they’re based just outside Barcelona.

And it’s stop and think about. If it’s got “open” at the start of its name, it’s probably funded by Soros. And this is totally funded by Soros. Open society foundation, Open Arms, Open Democracy is another of his groups. And, you know, they’re, the normal Catalans, who I love, many of whom are my friends have bought into this “let’s flood our land with refugees”! [10:00] a bit like Plaid Cymru [The Party of Wales] wanting to turn Wales into the most accepting part of the world for accepting refugees! Catalonia is very much the same, it’s so depressing.

Paul: It just shows how false the whole narrative is. Because there they are to preserve Welsh traditions, and Welsh culture. And they want to flood it with people who have no connection with Welsh culture whatsoever! But Soros has got to be the most sinister character since Joseph Stalin! I mean, Stalin created the Third International and it was a huge network around the globe manipulating the Communist agenda, imposed it on nation’s.

And Soros seems to have this vast network, because he’s accumulated so much wealth through the financial system. Incredible amount of wealth! He’s just buying in people and he’s obviously totally committed to this agenda of destroying the Western nations! Destroying Christendom! And it’s very sinister!

Horus: I always wonder with us of the Left wing nationalists, like those Plaid, like those in the Catalan movement, and the SNP. Like do they ask themselves, or each other, do they ever try and answer:

“Why is it that we’re supported by one of the very richest men in the whole world?”

Like how does that fit with left-wing politics? Like do they never, does that not trouble them?

Paul: I think it’s all bogus! Beginning to end! It is about enriching and empowering themselves. And they are buying into the agenda that brings that forth.. I don’t think ideologically that actually they are that deep. I mean, they’ll probably switch horses very quickly if anything went wrong. But they seem to have did the media on their side. And the political establishment on their side. And therefore, like the globalist they’ll just into this game of constant manipulation of the public. Constantly deceiving the public!

Horus: So for most than the you reckon it’s mostly a case of just getting on a massive gravy train?

Horus: Well, I can’t see any other reason for it.

[12:02]

Simon: I’m gonna have to disagree with you Paul. I mean, certainly Esquerra Republicana [(Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya (Catalan Republican Left) are the SNP of Catalonia)]. But when I was doing this radio show I had the chance to interview most of the bigwigs in the party. And a lot of people that founded the Assamblea Nacional Catalana [pro-independence Catalan National Assembly] which is the kind of the Catalan civil organized organizing group for the independence movements. They’re the ones that organize all the marches. The Esquerra Republicana’s Foreign Minister who I got to know pretty well. I was involved in various groups with him. Interviewed him twice. Went out for drinks with him on a number of occasions. I think, yeah he did African Studies, and he’s just a fan of Africa!

You start talking to him, he knows his Catalan history, but he wants to turn it into Africa! The brother of the founder of the ANC, which is the Assemblée Nationale Catalana. He’s got two black African adopted sons, or at least one.

And you kind of talk to these people and most of them have really bought, have really bought into it! It’s utterly and completely disturbing! And I think they sincerely, or perhaps not all of them. The right-wing party is a lot more cynical. I think they want the money. But the Lefties actually believe this BS! I found it really, I used to come home from doing this show, and say to the missus,:

“You know, I’ve got to stop doing this! I can’t be around these people anymore!”

Because the terrible thing is, they thought I was one of them! That I’d spent a year with them completely under cover! So they’d kind of let all this stuff out in private. And yeah I have to disagree with you Paul.

[14:01]

Paul: Well what I would say Simon with that, is that these people hold this ideology, this globalist ideology, one-world ideology, bringing the whole human race together. They hold it almost like a religion. It’s their sort of, it gives their life meaning. And it’s their purpose in the world to break down all barriers between people. We all live in this supposed harmony, where all that created order is actually cast aside! But! There is a different reality which shows when they send their children to school.

And I’ve noticed this with a lot of left-wing people in England. They won’t send their children to school with the ethnic minorities! They insist on sending their children to school, posh English schools! And that shows you their heart really is. But, of course, that doesn’t pay for them. I mean, I know so many left-wing people who have lived in multicultural, multi-ethnic, areas.

Once they’ve had children and the children reach school age, they move out these areas into an exclusive sort of White, English, middle-class areas. And that’s, because, that’s where they really feel comfortable. But their earnings come from buying into the multicultural agenda. So I think they’re very schizophrenic in that sense. But the reality is the heart is against multiculturalism, even though they’re making a fortune out of it.

Horus: I think it can partly explained as well in terms of class, right? Like obviously we don’t have the same classes that Marx described, and there’s not simply a world, you know, like as leftists, like international leftists, there’s not simply a world working class, a world bourgeoisie, or whatever. But I think there is perhaps, or has been forming for some decades now, like a world cosmopolitan class where, yeah, like anti-racism and anti-nationalism, is probably the binding ideology of like what is a global class that exists across most of the nations of the world. And these people sort of like get assumed into it, assumes upwards, socially into this cosmopolitan class. That just sort of glides across the top of the world like cream, you know, and that’s how I see these people.

And obviously is greased very much like lubricated by money that comes from people like Soros, probably Bill Gates and people like that as well. And Bono [chuckling] and the anti-nationalism is the binding ideology of that class. They might not all really believe in it, but they all go along with it, because it serves to bind their class together. And what you said about the schools, Paul, I can imagine, yeah they go to schools that are mostly White. But there will also be the odd, very wealthy, Nigerian, with a very wealthy Indian, or something. They’re like this son of an Indian billionaire. So they will have multiculturalism to that degree, but it’ll be with other wealthy globalist, you know, cosmopolitan types.

Paul: I think that’s the higher echelon to the globalism, you know. People who can move around the world who are really at the top of these institutions. But, of course, globalism that has this huge constituency below that. Which goes right down to primary school teachers, and people working in hospitals, and so on.

Horus: Yeah.

Paul: Especially public sector unions, liberal professionals. And it’s they’re sort of slightly working-class, a lot of them. Just upper working class. And even amongst them you see this discrimination when it comes to their children in terms of education. They don’t want their children educated with the ethnic minorities! Shows what their heart is.

Horus: Yeah. And for those of us who remain in the normal in the working-class in the older sense, [18:02] there are some of the most repulsive people, because they’re really close to the action! They know what harm they’re causing, and they still serve this kind of ruling class. Because they hope to be, to sort of ascend up, up towards it, I think.

Paul: And their treason is blatant as well! I mean, you know, they’ll fly the Palestinian flag, but they won’t touch the Union Flag! You know, they want to ally with anybody who’s anti-British, or anti-White, or anti-Christian. They despise Christianity, that is another aspect of it.

Simon: Did you see all those Liberal Democrats celebrating Ramadan the other day? [chuckling] What a pathetic bunch! I found us this guy on Twitter the other day, had got up early in the morning to have breakfast. And he was gonna spend the rest of the day celebrating Ramadan. But significantly these people hadn’t celebrated St. George’s day, so their kindness is utterly and completely misplaced!

Paul: And their sincerity is really bogus as well, because, before they’ll celebrate Ramadan, they’ll go on a gay pride march and celebrate, you know, sexual perversity! So I mean, it doesn’t mean that. They’re just plugging in to people they regard as their constituency. There’s no real loyalty to any of this! It’s just absurd! The Liberal Democrats, I mean, they’re playing this sexual politics game now. You know, their leader, I think that one of the women who sort of campaigned to be leader the Liberal Democrats, she described herself as “pansexual”!

Horus: Layla Moron, isn’t it?

Paul: Yeah [chuckling] ten years ago that would have been totally absurd! But now that that plays well amongst the Liberal Democrats. There totally lost people.

[20:00]

Horus: I wonder, like if they actually, do they not realize that almost all Muslims will laugh at them for doing this! Right? It’s not something that actually earns the respect, or the affection, of Muslims. I don’t think so at all. It’s bizarre!

Simon: But Muslims are noble savages as far as they’re concerned! [loud laughter] Muslims can have no evil thoughts! Please bear in mind it is a religion of peace, isn’t it!

Horus: 100%!

Paul: Well I think if the Muslims appreciate the key elements of it. It’s false! It’s false adulation of Islam. But it helps them in advancing, you know, the dar al-Islam, their control of this country. So they’ll appreciate that.

Horus: I’m sure they welcome it, because, yeah, it increases their power. But I imagine their feelings about it are contemptuous.

Paul: We’re all dhimmis* aren’t we to them. So I mean, these are just showing that they’ve accepted this dhimmi status of inferiority and they’ll bow the knee at a Muslim festival.

[* Dhimmi refers to specific individuals living in Muslim lands, who were granted special status and safety in Islamic law in return for paying the capital tax.]

Horus: We will start seeing them convert as well. That can happen to a lot of White leftists. There’ll be a certain tipping point where a load of them will just convert all at once.

Paul: And they put the burqa* on.

[* Burqa — The terms niqab and burqa are often conflated; a niqab covers the face while leaving the eyes uncovered, while a burqa covers the entire body from the top of the head to the ground, with only a mesh screen allowing the wearer to see in front of her. The burqa is also not to be confused with the hijab, a garment which covers the hair, neck and all or part of the chest, but not the face. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa]

Horus: Yeah, all sorts. Well they’ll probably wear like a rainbow burqa, at first, or something. But they will slide towards just basically worshiping the Saudi version eventually.

Paul: Well, what’s got me about Keir Starmer when he first became Labour Party leader, he made a big speech about the Labour Party’s got to win back — who have they got to win back? The White working-class. They lost seats, they lost seats in White working-class areas to Conservatives. Now they’ve got to win back the Hindu vote! The Indian vote! And they sort of see themselves now as the party of the ethnic minorities! It’s almost as if they’ve sort of totally now ditched the working-class, the indigenous people of this country. They don’t really want to touch it. And the Liberal Democrat are the same.

[22:02]

Simon: Well, they completely have, haven’t they. And to continue talking about these kind of people, they must live in a world of complete cognitive dissonance, because of all the parts of the kind of progressive stack are mutually inconsistent with each other.

And I don’t know if you’ve seen the message. There’s a group in our circles called “The Hundred Handers“. A fantastic group who put out leaflets all over the country. And when you read in the papers about “White supremacist hate leaflets” being put in the city, it’s a group of our friends. But one are their leaflets is:

“Islam is right about women.”

Which completely shows the cognitive dissonance that they must be feeling.

Paul: Islam is right about homosexuality!

Simon: [chuckling] It’s exactly the same! But I was reading the other day — I can’t remember the exact quote — but we are kind of living in a “1984” time.

And it seems to me that what the powers that be are trying to make us do is profess to believe increasingly evident lies! You know, we have to go along with transgenderism, Islam is consistent with homosexualism, this complete mass of weirdness!

And it the way to the way to really subjugate people is to make them make them lie to themselves. They have to go along with it and they have to say:

“Yeah transgenders really exist,”

And they have to pay lip service to that. And it’s even more humiliating if you actually start to bleep this stuff out. I mean, this is one of your big points, isn’t it Paul? I know that you’re Christian. I’m a kind of a borderline Christian but I feel that’s part of what us in the on the nationalistic, patriotic end of politics are, we’re people that are true to ourselves. I refuse to lie about this stuff! Two and two make four! Nobody on earth is gonna get me to tell you that they make five!

[24:26]

Paul: Yeah I mean, you know, we are authentic people. We speak the truth from the heart, simple truths, you know, about the nature of the world. But there is a simple truth about the Left, as well as the Liberals. Their agenda is not bringing this coalition together. Their agenda is hatred for us! It’s a hatred for our traditional societies, our traditional faith, a home, Britain, and what we’ve done for the world.

They’re actually united in this desire to destroy us! That’s what brings the Muslims, homosexuals, the feminists, the Marxists, all together in this coalition. I mean, they stay as a coalition, as long as we’re there to be attacked, you know. But the White male, the heterosexual White male from Christendom, that’s the hate figure they want to destroy. And that’s why they’re so sinister, so disturbing.

Horus: This is why I’d say tactically, it makes so much sense for us to encourage them to express that hatred as clearly and acutely as possible, because that gives us the best chance of our people awakening to this anti-White anti-male front that exists.

Paul: You see it best in the Trump derangement syndrome, where they absolutely hate Trump, because he’s a male, he’s White, he’s successful, he’s got a beautiful wife! They hate everything about him!

Horus: It’s amazing, because he’s barely done anything! Like he hasn’t done things anywhere near as bad as George White Bush. For the Left there’s so much more reasons to hate George White. He was responsible for, you know, huge number of deaths and misery and destruction. And Trump and done anything like that. But they hate Trump ten times more!

[26:15]

Paul: Because Trump mobilized the ordinary American patriots, the working-class, the White working-class. He brought them back into the political arena and has made them a political force again. Whether that’ll inspire the next elections is a question. But it really disturbed than that. They thought they destroyed the American patriots under Obama, you know, his eight years as President. They targeted them. They flooded their communities with drugs, they took away their manufacturing jobs. They constantly denigrated them and try to break their spirit! Trump brought them back from the dead! And they really loathe that.

Horus: Yeah, the fact that he just made nods towards ethnic identity, or White racial identity. That was what frightened and infuriated them so much, I think.

Paul: You see that Michigan sort of protest about the lockdown? In Michigan where the White militia turned up, the state militias with their guns. And they were so cocky and confident! And that’s what really disturbs the Left.

Horus: They really are terrified just by the appearance of that. It’s not even them doing anything, it’s just the fact that he exists! And it’s not on its knees. They really infuriates them.

Simon: Okay guys let’s move on a little bit with the conversation.

I was going to be self-indulgent dodging and talk about Jose Antonio. I’ve got his name in this week, because Paul, we got back in touch with me really commenting on my Jose Antonio primo de Rivera. But we’ll talk a little bit more about that Spain a little bit later.

I kind of wanted to do, as we as we kind of getting to know you. And perhaps a lot of the people in the audience don’t know Paul very well. I kind of like to go back a little bit through your history. And obviously I do my research. And you’ll tell me whether this is true, but I found lots of articles about you in the Liverpool Echo. The Liverpool Echo really love you, don’t they Paul.

[28:30]

Paul: Well I’ve stood for Mayor twice and stood for Police Commissioner. And I’ve stood for other political offices. So I got very well known on Merseyside side and engaged with lot of radio phone-ins. And I didn’t pull back, I really attacked the Left. Let them know what I thought about them. And people responded to that and really like it.

Simon: Okay this is, I mean, you can tell me if this is true I’ve got no idea this is what the Liverpool Echo says about you:

“As a young man growing up in Liverpool he was a member of the Labour Party and flirted with militant tendency. He later joined the Conservatives, the BNP, and more recently UKIP. And has now landed in the English Democrats and wants to be mayor of his home city.”

So perhaps I thought what we could do is we could go back through your political journey. I don’t know if it’s true whether you flirted with militants, or not. But I was a member of the Labour Party, probably around about the same same time as you were more on the Left. And I think it’s a very interesting thing to hear is how people go through their lives and finally reach, or when they reach the kind of, when they finally see the light when it comes to patriotism and nationalism.

So let’s go back to when you were a very young man. Were you involved with militants? This would have been cs.

[29:55]

Paul: Well I mean, my political odyssey started in the 1970s with the National Front. You know, first of all Enoch Powell, and then the National Front. Because in 1976 the National Front swept this nation! Swept the working-class communities, culturally, not politically. But we were all National Front supporters in north Liverpool. And there we were all on board to save this nation. We had an instinctive patriotism, an instinctive love of our people and we realized we were under threat. And in those days the White working-class was powerful. It was the biggest group in society and it could impose itself.

And it was only Mrs. Thatcher sort of picked up the National Front agenda. Started talking about putting White people at the top of council housing lists! Mrs. Thatcher used that language, “White people”. She started talking about the immigrants were threatening to swamp our cities and had to be stopped. And there so she sort of realized what way it was going into and she bought it. And she siphoned off that agenda and siphoned off the votes. So in 1979 Mrs. Thatcher won a very substantial majority in the general election.

And she brought out the Nationality Act. And she put down on immigration very quickly. And she started to stop the political correctness in the state system. And this led to the Toxteth riots [a Liverpool suburb] as a reaction in their sort of ethnic communities. But it’s really bizarre this, but in June 1979 the Conservatives won the European elections in Liverpool. People think Liverpool’s a left-wing city. In 1979 Liverpool backed Margaret Thatcher, believe it, or not. But, it then all went sour very quickly. When the recession hit, monetarism. She allowed Sterling to go too high, unemployment suddenly mushroomed to three million.

People were getting very disturbed by her agenda and the whole city just moved dramatically to the Left. And I was carried along with that tide. And I heard people in the militant tendency, preaching their message. And it had a passion in it! And it was a sort of was a rallying call to the people of Liverpool. And I was swept along in that.

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And I read the Communist Manifesto. And I thought this is reality! This is what’s happening now! This is showing us away forward! And I bought into it completely. And then I got involved with militants and got involved with the Trotskyites, and explored Marxism. I mean, I read everything, you know, I devoured it! And I was really committed. I was really militant for about two years, three years.

And then I started to question it. I started to question, the people involved in it. Started to question it’s hostility to liberty and to our traditions. And I just became disillusioned with it, you know, to be honest. And, of course, in 1983 Margaret Thatcher won the general election, and the Left, the wind was taken out of its sail. And it was a new dawn in Britain really.

And I was a boxer, so I was around sort of military types at University, Cambridge. And I started to associate more with them and with it with their view of the world. And I read Roger Scruton’s book “The Meaning of Conservatism” [published 1980] and it give me this sort of intellectual ideological depth to take on the Left. And I just completely changed sides.

But really I was going back, I was reverting to what I believed as a kid, you know, to my instinctive patriotism, way back in 1976. I just reconnected with that. So I regard the whole left-wing period as just an aberration really. It was just part of that time. And a lot of working-class people were caught up in it. And I think a lot of us are shaking it off.

Simon: And then you joined, you actually joined the Conservative Party, didn’t you, throughout the Thatcher period?

Paul: I never got involved though in activism. And I went to work in the City of London which was a very conservative thing to do. But then I sort of, I mean, politics lost a bit of edge, you know, in the late 80s, early 90s. Things calmed down. Thatcher went didn’t she in 1990. Major come to the fore.

But I was very disturbed by the Maastricht Treaty. And I began to realize this was going to be a big issue in the future. I could see the way we were conceding more and more ground to the European Union. And this was impact on our sovereignty. And I thought eventually, it’s gonna impact everything! Including our control of our borders and immigration.

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But don’t forget when John Major lost a general election 1997, immigration into this country was only 50,000 per year! So it was minuscule compared to today. I mean, it’s more than ten times that now. So it wasn’t a very big issue.

But I’ve become aware that demographically the West was being left behind by Islam, by India, and Africa. And as the youths were building up in these areas, we were aging, our population was aging. And I saw, I realized there was a danger there. There was a danger that we were actually going to be overwhelmed by the youthful vigor of these other continents. And we had to change direction. And I was really concerned about the level of abortion in Britain. And the fact the families are getting smaller and smaller. But it wasn’t panic stations at that point!

But when Blair won the election in 97, you know, like yourself Simon, I’ve been in the Labour party. And I knew what the Labour Party’s agenda was! I knew they were gonna hand over all our sovereignty to the European Union. They were gonna break up the United Kingdom! You were gonna flood the country with immigrants, on a vast scale!

And I tried to I try to warm people in 1997. Don’t vote for Blair, he’s a danger! But people were blind! They were so bought in by Blair, they believed in Tony Blair so much in 1997! It disillusioned me about the British people. I thought:

“Can they be manipulated so easily?”

Because I knew exactly what Blair and Mandelson were up to! And for me, that was that the day of catastrophe when they took power. And then I went back to nationalism, really, to the National Front in a sense. I went back to the British National Party. Because they were the only party that was speaking the truth on these issues.

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Simon: Let’s go back a bit to, I think we might have a slight, or certainly Horus will, slightly different disagreement, and I will too. I’ve heard you speak quite praisingly, quite glowingly of Margaret Thatcher. But being — as we said before we came on the street stream — I was born in Nottingham. Lived in the northwest, lived in a very nice village in the northwest throughout my adolescence. But then went back to Nottingham for University. And I was there back in Nottingham from 1978 till kind of late 1984.

And throughout all that period I was kind of strongly anti-Thatcher. I was definitely a lefty throughout those periods. And kind of looking back on that period is, it’s very but very difficult to see Thatcher positively. Yeah a lot of the rhetoric is more patriotic, more, yeah home ownership.

But basically she ripped the flesh, she ripped the bones out of the northern industrial working class. She closed down the steel industry. The miners strike, I suppose the unions had to be broken. But now we don’t produce any coal. And in many respects my politics have changed, but I can’t help but seeing Margaret Thatcher as overall being a bad thing for Britain. I’m guessing you’ll disagree with me here.

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Paul: Well my perspective was from, I went down south you see. So I saw the surge in prosperity in the south. And I knew eventually would actually go up north. When Margaret Thatcher began her attack on the trade unions and the imposition of monetarism, I think it was something like 365 leading economists wrote to the Guardian a letter and said:

“This is going to lead to economic catastrophe! It’s gonna destroy the British economy!”

But within two years the British economy was growing at 4% per annum. It was the fastest growing economy in Europe. And the investment just poured into this country. Because I was down south the investment initially went there. I saw the redevelopment! I saw factories being set up. I mean, Cambridge itself become a great industrial technological center. I saw a vast wealth. And in London the property prices started to surge. Stock market started to surge. And it was like a Renaissance of Britain. And, of course, Margaret Thatcher was a great figure on the international stage. Ronald Reagan loved her.

She began to influence the Communists. They began to listen to her ideas. Privatization, of course, was a big thing, creating efficiency in the public sector. And communism fell. I think Margaret Thatcher was sort of, was very much responsible for the victory in the Cold War. Of course, we also had the Falklands War as well.

Now, there was an underlying nationalism in Maggie. I mean, when I listened to her, I began to realize she had a passion about Britain and the British people! She really believed in our history. She really believed we had a mission in the world. And the English-speaking world was a Churchillian view really, and she was linked up with America. And she saw us as a leading light, and it inspired me! Because I’d got used to being in a decline and negativity in Liverpool! I’ve got used to like communist waffle and nonsense and people abusing the public sector. The inefficiency of the public sector, and the sense of national defeatism. You know, the hostility to Britain imposing itself on the world. And I’d grown tired of that.

And I think Thatcher was very inspirational! And I think I still think was a great tragedy that she was pulled down in 1990, because I think we would have left the European Union a lot earlier, to be honest.

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Simon: Okay, that might be true, but my question is really what did Thatcher conserve? My big gripe, you know, the part of Nottingham where my family are traditionally from. My grandad —once again, everyone in the stream knows this — my granddad was a trade union leader, drove the buses, Transport and General Workers Union. The family had lived in my great, great, great, great — plenty of greats — was the first blacksmith on the river Leen before Radford even existed.

We were kind of an established family in Radford. And Radford had the Raleigh factory, the Players factory, and the pit. It was one of those traditional working-class communities where you could, I mean, I’m talking to up to the age of 10, 11, before we moved to the northwest, where everybody was auntie this, or uncle that, or where I could go into any house for an orange juice.

And really the miners strike was a massive turning point! It was becoming degraded already by the time I gone back to university. Because I actually had digs in the part of town where my family was from. So I was really going back to my roots. But really, the miners strike destroyed the Midlands and the north. I’ve got no idea, I haven’t been back to Liverpool for a long time.

But I can never really forgive Thatcher for that. And to be perfectly honest, you can talk to me about GDP and the economy all you like, but really what I want to say, I don’t care whether the economy’s booming, because if that money’s going to the wealthy, well it’s going into their pockets.

What I care about is the well-being, and now not in a kind of socialist way. In very much a kind of Jose Antonio primo de Rivera way! You’ve got to you have to look after the people. And I think Thatcher didn’t do this. Certainly not down our way.

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Paul: I was down south and I was being told how desperate Liverpool was. And, you know, our poor the city had become, how shabby and sort of demoralized. I remember going back up north for me sort of break at the end of University. And the street where I lived, there was BMWs there. There was a Jaguar there. There was all sorts of flashy cars we had never seen before.

I mean, I just come from a working-class community and people were buying the council houses and renovating the council houses. People would actually become an entrepreneurial. They were starting their own companies! This is the true spirit of Britain! We’re not a nation that that buys into communism. We’re a nation that buys into enterprise, and actually, you know, making things happen, we’re a creative people. And I thought that was very much the sort of socialist propaganda that was being sold to us.

But there’s another factor as well, because I’m not an economic determinist. I don’t think people are shaped by the economy. I think people are shaped by cultural factors. And what really led to the collapse of the extended family, and the contraction in the number of children people had, and so on, was a turning away from Christianity.

I mean, it was the Labour Party in 1967 that brought abortion into this country. It was the Labour Party that legalized homosexuality! It was the Labour Party that made divorce easy! It was the Labour Party that undermined the social fabric of working-class communities.

And Margaret Thatcher understood this, because she always wanted to win back the inner cities and to revive them in a true British mode. But it proved very difficult, because the Labour Party had a grip on them. It’s only this recent election now, 2019, that the Labour Party’s finally lost it’s grip on the White working class in this country. And it was long overdue!

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Simon: Sorry, I just switched my mic on. Horus, you’re a great, … I kind of accept your points Paul, but, you know, we have to have a productive conversation here. Horus, you’re a great critic of the Conservative Party, aren’t you? Have you got anything, any come back on Paul for this?

Horus: Yeah, probably that applies least to Thatcher though. I think she is one Tory who got a few things right.

Simon: That’s, because you’re a monetarist, aren’t you!

Horus: I’m not a monetarist. I’m against monetarism! Monetarism is bollocks. No, I’m an Austrian, … Yeah, she likes Hayek. And he was the worst of the Austrian school as well. But I like other Austrian school economists.

But with the miner’s strike, that was more, or less forced upon her. She prepared for it well, or you could say cynically. But that was caused, in my opinion, by NUM, or by the revolutionary leadership of the NUM, and by Scargill in particular. He was a revolutionary socialist! And he saw an opportunity, he believed wrongly, to bring her down and perhaps to bring down democracy, really. And to impose a “workers democracy”, you know, communist rule, basically.

It wouldn’t have been the same as the Soviet Union. But that was his aim. And. I don’t think she was closing, her government was closing mines any faster than Callahan and Wilson’s government had. As far as I could see, from what data I’ve seen, it might be manipulated. But from what I’ve seen, it was a pretty steady rate of closure going through the 70s, into the 80s. But whenever the Tories get into power — I saw this for the first time in my own life in 2007, very, very clearly — Labor, sorry the Left, just become one mass that swings into action! And they all know, they’re all ready, they all know that their program is to just bring down the Tories in any way they can.

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And in the eighties, the Tories triggered a recession in the start of the eighties. So I mean, they sort of gave the Left an opportunity to attack them there. Didn’t quite bring her down, it was by a hair’s breadth that she hung on. But she did. Then the Falklands, they hoped, they supported the Argentine dictatorship, more, or less, hoping that would bring her down. And that didn’t go very well for them.

And then, they saw an opportunity with Scargill to try and bring her down. And yes, she sort of provoked the strike in some ways, by preparing for it. But that’s, because he was already pushing for it. And Scargill, he tried two, or three times, before he called the strike to get the NUM to vote for it. And they wouldn’t! The ordinary members didn’t want the strike. And eventually, after I think two, or three attempts, he just called a strike anyway, with minority support within his own Union. And the strike failed, partly, because several regions, I think, … Nottinghamshire might been one of them? Or Derbyshire?

Simon: Yeah. The Notts men, … Everybody hates Cargill! I mean, this is something I’ve argued about most of my life. I’m playing devil’s advocate with you a little bit Paul.

Paul: Yeah

Simon: But Scargill was a complete disaster. You see what you have to realize is that Notts and Yorkshire — I’m from, I’m Nottinghamshire born and bred, and pits are the best! Our coal seam is the best, that’s it! And what Scargill did, without consulting the Notts men he sent flying pickets down, and just put them outside the pit.

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Paul: I remember it well.

Horus: Terroristic, right? Terroristic action!

Simon: And so the Notts men who tended to be more conservative and certainly didn’t like a Yorkshireman leading them, anyway. This just provoked them, not to come out. So basically Scargill scuppered it from the start off.

Horus: Attacking his own men?

Simon: Yeah. Completely!

Horus: Attacking his own class?

Simon: A completely ridiculous tactic!

Paul: I actually think though that there’s a lot of mythologizing about the coal industry. Digging for coal is a very primitive activity! It’s what people basically do in the Third World, now. I mean, if you can create a Technology Park, it would generate more wealth than any coal mines. I mean, the price of coal was collapsing in the 1980s, that’s why they didn’t need the pits. They could bring it in from Australia at 7 pound a ton! Seven pound for a ton of coal! I mean, how many tons of coal did you need to buy a BMW car? You want technology! We want a sophisticated productive economy.

We don’t want an economy based on primitive industry! So we had to move away from the coal industry. And it’s not a good job to go down and dig coal underground. It’s a very dangerous job, it’s very unpleasant. But to be honest. I don’t think it’s a job that we should be doing today. You know, I think it’s a very primitive job.

So all this mythologizing of the coal industry, I didn’t buy into it. But what was really significant about Thatcher was, she wasn’t Hayekian! She listened to the Austrian School of Economics, but that wasn’t where the heart was.

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I was a Cambridge at the time and I was a bigger fan of Roger Scruton. And Roger Scruton mentor was a guy called Morris Cowling. He was a big friend of Enoch Powell. And they used to have a seminar in Peterhouse College. And Cowling would be there, Powell be there, Roger Scruton would turn up and Margaret Thatcher would turn up. That was it, she was a Tory nationalist, Margaret Thatcher. But here it was all about Britain.

When she died and they had a big funeral for her at St. Paul’s Cathedral in London. I went down to the funeral, and I gave her a speech in a pub afterwards with all the Tories. Where there was Tory MPs there. Michael Howard was there. And I said:

“Margaret Thatcher in essence was, she believed in Britain! She believed in the British spirit! She believed in the British people! And she believed that Britain could play a key role in the future of the world. And had a key role to play!”

Now a lot of Tories were really lifted by that.

But there was a group of Asian conservatives there, Hindus. There was a lot of Hindus now in the Tory Party. And they actually booed me when I said that. They said I was being fascististic, you know, for saying something like that. But that’s the essence of Margaret Thatcher. That she was a patriot. And that’s why really I admired her.

Horus: Morris Cowling is a fascinating character. He was quite working-class like her, wasn’t he? I think in origin.

Paul: He’s a tough cookie Morris Cowling! Didn’t take fools lightly, I tell you.

Horus: Do you remember about Scruton, they were like, sort of lower middle class, or working class, in origin? They weren’t toffs.

Paul: Roger Scruton’s father was a trade unionist and a Labour Party supporter.

Horus: Hmm. And Jonathan Bowden’s speech on Morris Cowling was really good. Have you heard that?

Paul: No. I mean, I was a great friend of Jonathan Bowden. It was just a tragedy when he died, aged 49. That man was a fantastic orator! I attended a lot of meetings where he spoke! We spoke together on many platforms. Real tragedy when he died.

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Horus: Coming across his speeches, I think shortly after he died, maybe in the year after he died, was the first time I ever heard of him. I came across his speeches on YouTube. And that was the biggest red pill of all for me, because I was listening to something on YouTube and then it auto-played without me, you know, I was doing something else on my computer. And it auto-played on to a Bowden speech. And an hour passed and I looked down at the bottom, I was like that was interesting. What channel is this? And it was a BNP channel.

And until then in my life I’d never permit myself to click on anything to do with the BNP, right? Because I was just completely indoctrinated against all that. And just wholly believe that that was black magic! You don’t open that book! You know, I did by accident and he won me over, just like that.

Paul: I went to a meeting at the Irish National Party in Belfast. These are like it an anti-Sinn Féin Irish nationalists, genuine nationalists. And there was for a lot of lads there from West Belfast, you know, Catholic lads. So I said to them:

“So, how could you come here today and you’ve given up on Sinn Féin.”

And they said:

“We’ve all been listening to Jonathan Bowden on the Internet!”

Lol wow this guy I mean, I used to listen to his speeches, and I take a DVD home with the speeches. I’d listen to it 20 times! It was an education. I was amazed! And he’s still under-rated now. He still needs to be promoted more.

Horus: You’ve got any speeches that people haven’t seen already? You could publicize them, like people are gagging for more Bowden material. There’s speeches that people rumor about, that seemed not to have been recorded. And people are like:

“If we could only get this one!”

So if you’ve got any that aren’t already on YouTube.

Paul: There’s a guy in Wigan called Dr. Charles Martha, who sort of led the BNP in the northwest of England. Ex Labour guy but a [word unclear], but a great man. And Jonathan Bowden would just turn up at a meeting in a pub in St. Helens, or in Wigan and give one of his speeches, you know! And Charles Martha would actually film it. So he made DVDs of all these speeches. You know, he’s got quite a collection. I think someone needs to connect with them, you know, and release them. Because they are amazing speeches!

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Horus: That would be gold dust! If there’s more you could put out there, that’d be amazing!

Paul: . I don’t think there’s been anybody in modern British politics who can touch Jonathan Bowden. For, you know, the way he would open up the cultural nature of conservativism. The way he’d talk about the glory of Britain. And his insight into actual politics, world politics, was unique!

Horus: I realized one one step when I realized how brilliant he was when I listened to his speech about Punch and Judy! Which I’ve never, you know, it’s a topic I never cared about whatsoever! And suddenly Punch and Judy’s really interesting! He’s brilliant! Because he I think he used to perform Punch and Judy shows sometimes as well.

Paul: [laughter] He was a very eccentric character Jonathan Bowden! You wondered where he came from! He was like a visitor from another planet! [chuckling]

Horus: I think many people, …

Paul: I think he must have had a super intellect. I think he had a Mensa IQ, because his mine was just a treasury, you know. But tragically, 49 he died!

Simon: That kind that kind of brings us on, going through your history really. Because we’ve done the Tory Party, Conservative Party. Then you were a BNP member weren’t you? Obviously this is where you coincided with Jonathan Bowden. What year did you join the BMP?

Paul: Well, I had almost given up hope in 2001 after Labour got reelected and the Tories were going nowhere. And suddenly Nick Griffin emerged in Oldham. And had that famous election where he muted his own mouth, you know, he put a thing around his mouth. And then I thought there’s some hope here! That Briton, there’s still some hope.

[55:56]

And then in 2002, they won some council seats in Burnley. I mean, it’s very hard to win elections in Britain, because they’re all first past the post, of course. And that’s when I joined. I thought, I’ve gotta get involved with this. Because I had boxed at Cambridge and so had Nick, so we had that connection. So I thought, I want to get behind him and make what contribution I can. What a fantastic journey that was! I was in it for 10 years. And the BNP was a tragedy when it collapsed! But for 10 years it was rockin, you know.

Simon: And this is the kind of, … I suppose this is really, you mentioned that you are aware of the Islamification of Britain previously. But this is one of the great misnomers isn’t it? That it was the EDL that revealed the grooming gangs and what was happening in the north of England. But, in fact, it was many, perhaps what, 2005, 2006 it was the BNP that were talking about this, even that early on.

Paul: Well the truth is, a lot of people were aware of what these Pakistanis were up to, these Pakistani grooming gangs. And they were basically fishing for our kids! You know, driving around in cars and they’re getting to know the young girls, and grooming them, and turning then into heroin addicts and prostitutes! And people would irate about this! But, the police wouldn’t listen to any complaints! The police were totally doing the Labour Party’s bidding! And the media wouldn’t listen to it. And ordinary people couldn’t make an impact on this situation.

But the BNP, because they were so well organized and so motivated! And so effective as well! They were a very professional party the BNP. They started to rattle the police and the media. And they started to a real campaign against these grooming gangs, especially in places like Keithley in Burnley. And they started to win council seats in these area. So they had political representatives you could speak out on behalf of these girls who were being groomed.

And we got a crescendo going! We got a movement going! And that’s when I saw the anti-democratic nature of the British State. The police came down on us like a ton of bricks! I mean, members of the BNP were beaten up by operatives of the state. People started to have their bank accounts closed, and then the arrests began.

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And the arrested both Nick Griffin and Mark Collett. He was there right at the hub of it. And they went to court in Leeds, I think it was, 2005. And it become a big national case! And that was really when the whole nation became aware of what was going on with these grooming gangs. So yeah, I mean, EDL picked it up. But it was the BNP who led the fight back. The BNP were brilliant mobilizing working-class communities in the north of England, and the Midlands. And in London as well. And winning elections! I mean, they won over a hundred council seats! They won county council seats. And then eventually, of course, they won MEPs. [Member of the European Parliament]

But that was a danger then, because the establishment were fully mobilize against us. I mean, with a big organization we had maybe 17, 18 thousand members, official members. We had tens of thousands of non-official members. We would hold up meetings in Liverpool, 150 people would turn up!

I mean, I remember speaking at Lee in Lancashire, and there was over two hundred people in this pub listening to the speech. And this was a heartland of the Labour Party. Labor had held this seat since the First World War. And we were mobilizing the people of Lee behind us. But the Labour Party managed to thwart us from winning that seat. But Lee just voted Tory and I think we put down roots there in our campaigns in that decade between 2000, 2010, which have finally come to fruition now.

And the BNP, the fact that it collapsed so quickly was a tragedy. Because we used to have red White and blue, we’d have this summer fete, you know, where people come from all over the country. And we did can with the English people! It was the first time since 1976 when the National Front swept this nation, that we saw a nationalist movement sweep this nation! Because when Griffin won a seat in 2009 in the European elections, I can remember people coming to Liverpool town centre to party! Ordinary, working-class people. At last we had a voice, but tragically it collapsed very quickly.

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Horus: Do you attribute the collapse largely to the activities of the state? Or to several different things, or what?

Paul: The state turned the screw, but Griffin played the wrong game. Instead of bending slightly, … I mean, when a strong wind comes, a tree must bend, or it will break. He should have bent. He refused to allow ethnic minorities into the party. And he actually went to court to defend that. And he wasn’t gonna win that case!

And the British people, I mean, they didn’t want the full board of nationalism. But they were keen on the policies we were offering, and they were keen on a lot of the solutions we were offering. And we had that support! We had we started to touch people’s hearts. It was fantastic to see! I mean, I saw in Liverpool. We got six thousand votes in Liverpool, you know, which had been a Left wing city for a long time.

And we would go round with a trailer, a jeep with a trailer behind, with the BNP on, and we’d blast our music, and the people would come out to the houses to buy newspapers off us and stuff. We were really impacting this nation. Well, I think Obama’s victory in 2008, was very much a check on us, because the Americans wanted us killed off as well. And they had the deep state, the British deep state began to work against us. And, as I say, we don’t live in a democratic society.

I can remember having pub meetings where there’d be 30, 40, 50 people just turned up to hear a few speeches, have a drink, socialize. The police would raid it! Like we were involved in a criminal activity! They would threaten the landlord, who would eject us from the pub! It was criminal activity by the state! And I began to think, the British state was acting like an East European communist state. It was really scary stuff.

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And that they saw us as a threat. And. I don’t think the time was quite right for us to achieve much more to be honest. We passed the baton on to UKIP. And they got us out of the EU. But we’ve lost a lot of the nationalist sort of ideology, and we need to rekindle a nationalist movement in Britain. It’s desperate now! We really do.

Simon: Sorry. Go ahead.

Horus: No, go ahead Simon.

Simon: Because then you ended up leaving the BNP, didn’t you? And you joined UKIP, was it with UKIP was that the first time you stood for political office?

Paul: No. I stood for the English Democrats initially. And I did well in Liverpool. And I had a good campaign and UKIP noticed this. And they approached me and said:

“Look, why don’t you stand for us? You can stand there in Liverpool for UKIP. We’ve got a bigger platform than the English Democrats and we will support you.”

But then UKIP began to come under pressure for accepting exBNP people. And Farage panicked. You know, the media were threatening to sort of start to denigrate him and accuse him of being a fascist, and so on. He panicked and said:

“No we’ve got to get the BNP out the party!”

So I was told that I couldn’t stand as mayor for Liverpool for UKIP. So I stood for the English Democrats, instead. And I got 7,000 votes for Police Commissioner, which was quite a decent vote for Liverpool.

Simon: So, how long were you with the English Democrats? A lot of the press you get in Liverpool, is from that period, isn’t, I’m guessing?

Paul: Well I was arrested. I was arrested twice. And they were big court cases. Once I went into a police station and said:

“What’s the flag above the police station? Where’s the Union flag?”

He said:

“Oh. This is a gay flag!”

It was the gay rainbow flag. And I said:

“I don’t think that is right, flying that above a police station!”

But they arrested me and charged me with homophobia! And it become a big case! It got national attention! And Eric Pickles* had to make the gay flag an official police flag, because I counter-attacked, and charged the police flying this flag illegally, which they were.

[* Pickles was the Chairman of the Conservative Party from 2009 to 2010 and is currently the chairman of Conservative Friends of Israel. He is the United Kingdom Special Envoy for post-Holocaust issues, being appointed in 2015.]

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You need special permission to fly a non-official flag above a police station. They didn’t have it! And had them on the run, the police. So that become a big case in Liverpool. That got me a lot of attention. But I stood for the mayor twice, and I crossed swords with their Joe Anderson, who’s the Liberal mayor in the debates. And I really put him in his place! And I got a lot of a attention.

Simon: Horus?

Horus: Eric Pickles is, even by Tory standards, an outstandingly contemptible prat! [chuckling] Oh God!

I was just I was quite stirred by what you said about the BNP. Like how well things were going for a while. And you said we need now, like something, I don’t know what was the term you used was, but something to spark off that kind of excitement again. Do you feel, …

Paul: A nationalist revival.

Horus: Yeah. I mean, did you see, …

Paul: Well, it’s happening in Europe! I mean, it’s happening in Italy would Salvini, before, you know, the coronavirus episode. And the brothers of Italy. It’s obviously, it’s had its day in France with Marine Le Pen. And then Simon must know about the Vox Party in Spain. Their recent performance has been astonishing in Spanish elections.

Simon: Yeah, very much.

Paul: I think there’s an appetite there! There’s an appetite there for a patriotic force, you know. But you are going to have to battle against the state!

Horus: Yeah.

Paul: What is really positive at the moment, is that the Left are totally demoralized! They’ve lost so many elections! They’ve been pushed out of power. And they don’t seem to have the will now to resist us.

I think if we moved up a gear. I mean, but I could see what Paul Golding and Britain first, … I mean, Paul Golding is an amazing political activist! He can create big things out to nothing! He have three million followers on Facebook. I mean, he had a campaign in Northern Ireland recently, it’s only exploded out of nowhere! But the state come down on him like a ton of bricks! They persecuted him. This is the problem, the deep state now. They are thwarting democratic activity in Britain. It’s very sinister!

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Horus: Simon didn’t you put in the show notes for tonight’s show something saying like when we’re talking about persecution of say Paul Golding, or Tommy Robinson. We need to generally back each other across the dividing lines of our movements. Was that your words, or were you quoting Paul there?

Simon: I can’t remember what I said. When I put these show notes together I kind of cut and paste from lots of places. It’s definitely my sentiment. I think it’s a very important thing. Broadly we need to be supporting people.

Horus: I think the powers will be turning against all of us, obviously.

Simon: Yeah. And one of the important things about speaking to Paul, I think, you know, once we kind of realized that it was a good vibe, then a couple of weeks ago I said to Paul:

“Why don’t we talk about nationalism via email?”

So we’ve exchanged a few emails. And we seem to be more, or less in the same place. So it makes a lot of sense for all of us to know that we are working towards similar objectives. And broadly giving support to people when they come into trouble, I think.

Paul: Well the likes of Tommy and Paul Golding. I mean, Paul Golding’s been arrested more than ten times! And he’s been incarcerated. And he’s been fined. And he’s had this bank account closed so many times. I mean, not being arrested three times. And each time I’ve been vindicated! I’ve turned the tables on the police. I’ve actually prosecuted the police! Because if you get to know the legal system, you begin to realize that they just ride roughshod over the laws of this country! They think they can do what they want, the police.

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Now the thing is with my prosecutions of the police, they went a long way, but they weren’t successful. Because when it looks like you’re going to defeat the police, the Crown Prosecution Service takes over the case, and closes it! You cannot defeat the police! It’s Orwellian what they have done to our state!

But yeah, this could be the problem for nationalist parties in the future. That they’ll use legal means to try and thwart us at every turn. I mean, Tony Blair introduced in 1998 “hate crimes”, you know, this novel idea that’s what you think could now be criminalized. And since then there’s been a whole series of laws which have limited how we can express ourselves. And even our freedom of assembly.

I mean, I was prosecuted in Northern Ireland, virtually for nothing! I made a speech which was pretty, you know, it was a very moderate speech, deliberately so. It was outside the City Hall in Belfast. And I realized it was a dangerous place to make the speech. I didn’t want to promote the authorities there. I made a very moderate speech and then three months later my house was raided by the police! And I was dragged to Northern Ireland to face a criminal prosecution! Which went on for two years! They got me involved in a criminal case which lasted two years, just to thwarth my political activity. This is how the State now operates in Britain! It’s deeply disturbing! It’s deeply undemocratic!

I mean, we’ve got Trump taken on the deep state in America. I’m hoping that if he gets reelected and he cleanses that state, and gets rid of all these sort of the globalist operatives. And that would come over here and Trump will say:

“Clean up your act in Britain and let democracy go forth.”

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Simon: I think it was just a bit, … Excuse me. But I think you’re a bit optimistic about Trump. I mean, Trump has been in office for four years, and he really hasn’t built the wall. He hasn’t cleaned the swamp. You can see from the Epstein death that the swamp hasn’t been cleaned at all. They’re still, you know, sliming about all over the place.

Really what makes you think that if he gets in again, isn’t he just going to be kind of treading water and running out his term? And a little bit like the Tories. Yes, he dog whistles to nationalism, which is why he’s not liked. But when it really comes down to its he actually doesn’t do very much. And it by the same token Boris Johnson isn’t gonna do very much. Boris Johnson, the Left call him a fascist and a Nazi, but in reality these people are pretty much as globalist as anybody else. They just come out with the nationalist rhetoric.

Paul: I think Johnson’s a comedian like figure. He judges the environment and he fits in with it. If Trump can get reelected and pursue a truly nationalistic agenda in America, I think Johnson will follow that lead. But the thing is with Trump, Trump is a miracle! He came from nowhere! The globalist had taken over America. I mean, John Brennan and Comey, the head of the CIA, and FBI. John Brennan was a communist, an Islamic convert. I mean, Comey is just a liberal Lefty. And the Left had taken over the media in America. It was taking over the State, it was taking over a lot of the State governments, it was controlling Congress. It looked like America was lost!

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I remember Jonathan Bowden said:

“America was gonna go down first and we’ll follow!”

But Trump came from nowhere and he mobilized the American patriotic spirit! And he’s faced horrendous opposition! I mean, judicial opposition initially. Everything he tried to do was blocked in the courts. He had to get the Supreme Court appointments, which enabled them to free up a lot of his movements. And then, of course, he lost the House of Representatives in the midterms, which thwarted a lot of his economic agenda.

But he got a big tax cut through. The wall is being built. I don’t know how much of it as being built! I don’t know how much of it is being built but it certainly is being built. He has certainly cut down massively on immigration into America. I mean, it was when these big trains going up through Mexico, in managed to tear them back. It’s almost miraculous! But he’s changed the culture of America’s! He polarized America!

And he’s mobilized the patriots to fight back against the Left. They were demoralized, the patriots. He mobilized them and he’s built up this alternative media. And there’s a big body of people now in America, he’s got maybe 60, 65 million people in the Trump train, who are ready to fight for America, and a patriots in America, against the Left. And it’s the first time in decades that the Left has really been put on the back foot. So given the opposition that he faced, I’m really impressed with what Trump achieved.

Simon: I would say, but he hasn’t turned around the demographics! The demographics are, you know, the original, or the original colonists, the White European colonists of America have been given a little bit of leeway, perhaps a little bit of extra time, but ultimately America is going to fall. This has got to be turned around. The person that we had on last week Gavin Boby, one of the expressions that I’ve always learned from him regarding immigration and demographics, he always used to sayc, or I think he still does say:

“Slow the tide, stop the tide, turn the tide!”

And really with this issue — I don’t know if you were aware — but here in Britain in 2066 the indigenous Britons are no longer going to be a majority in this country. Now these things have significant effects on the culture.

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Paul: I think it’s going to be long before 2066! I think we’ve got, at the most, 15 years, realistically. Because the under forties group, it’s almost 25 percent now. I mean, what gives us this big advantage demographically, is the over 70s but the over 70s are going to die off very quickly.

And yeah Trump, … I like that expression of stopping and slowing down and turning around, because we were in a ship that was going the wrong way, we’re heading to the rocks, we were heading for national disaster! And these people at the top — the Merkels, the Clintons — this is exactly what they wanted, which is really disturbing!

But Trump got control of the ship, become the pilot, and he’s slowed it down as it’s heading to the rocks. And I think he started to turn around. It’s a process, it’s gonna take time. But I think Trump’s heart in the right place.

Trump has not come from a globalist perspective. He was in the Reform Party with Ross Perot. He’s always been on the fringe of American politics. Trump’s father was accused to be in a member of the Ku Klux Klan and Trump was a huge admirer of his father. I think Trump’s heart is much more aligned and nationalist than people actually give him credit. Dont know if you agree with that?

Simon: Yeah, Horus? Sorry I was switching my mic on. Any thoughts on this? I’m much less optimistic about Trump. I think Trump is a good optics. Trump looks good but, you know, he had John Bolton in his, … He’s controlled! He’s not free to act. His heart might be in the right place, but I’ve not seen enough action. I’m sorry Paul. Horus. What do you think?

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Horus: I like Paul’s optimism. I would love to see Trump do radical, sort of deep state, swamp draining in the second term. But yeah, it doesn’t seem at all likely to me. My impression is that Trump is maybe completely compromised by Israel. I’m not sure, but maybe via Epstein? Epstein. I’m not sure. Like the zionist control of the US to me, just seems almost total! And I reckon Trump might be just one of their instruments. Maybe almost every President candidate is? I’m not sure.

Paul: I think Trump’s boxing very clever with the jewish lobby in America! Because he’s split them. I mean, 80% of the jews vote Democrat, and the left-leaning, the ultra globalist. But there is 20% of them there that are conservative leaning. And he’s managed to bring them on board. Because if Trump had gone totally against the jewish lobby he would have been totally destroyed.

I mean, when Obama was re-elected in 2012, the jews in America was saying:

“We’ve taken over America! We’re the ruling elite now!”

They were actually saying that explicitly. So when Trump won and threw Clinton off in 2016, they were very annoyed about that. And they had the power to bring Trump down

He had to win a slice of their support, and he managed to do that. And the way he’s done it is linking up with Likud and the ultra zionists in Israel. But and putting them against the Liberals in America.

Don’t forget the people who are really opposing Trump — Soros, Schumer, Shiff, [word unclear] — they’re all New York jews, you know. They’re all incredibly wealthy people on Wall Street. And they’ve got a heck of a lot of clout!

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So to counteract that, he’s had to bring other jews on board who will defend him. But what really matters to me about Trump is that he is coming in from the West to save Europe. From the East we got Vladamir Putin. And I see Trump and Putin as very, almost like coworkers in throwing off the globalist control of the world. Because Putin, he’s so important to us, because he’s re-Christianized Russia, and he’s revived Russian nationalism, and he’s revived traditionalism in Russia. Russia has got no toleration of the homosexual agenda, they’re stopping abortions now in Russia. Starting to see an increase in the birthrate in Russia for the first time in a long time.

And this is what we need. And this has fed into Poland. It’s fed into Hungary. So it’s coming in from the East. Trump from the West. And we’re seeing the emergence of all these nationalist figures in Europe like Salvini, Thierry Baudet in the Netherlands. Vlaams Belang in Belgium, you know, Santiago Pascal in Spain. Marine Le Pen is going in France.

And so there’s hope! There’s hope! These figures are emerging, and they’re very significant figures. And they’re there and at every point they can challenge the globalists. And we need this international wave, we need this international alliance of nationalists! I mean, you can go extra-Europe, you can go to Abe in Japan, you can go to Duarte in the Philippines. And, of course, very importantly Modi in India! The Indian nationalists, especially in the fight back against Islam.

And there’s a new dialectic in the world now. It used to be Left against Right, freedom against communism. Now it’s nationalism against globalism!

And we’re not coming from a position of weakness. We might be doing so in Britain, itself, although we hope it can come back and change. But globally the nationalist forces are becoming stronger and stronger!

And so we can be optimistic that we can actually win this battle! And that’s really since 2016, since Trump’s election. And I think we can feel that. We can actually overcome globalism!

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Horus: Which side is Jerusalem on?

Paul: Jerusalem is always on all sides! [chuckling] [words unclear] there’s a [word unclear] in both camps. [loud laughter]

Simon: Yeah I mean, I think we’re quite optimistic about the future, Horus and I. We’re not directly involved, but we’re kind of loosely associated with Patrick Alternative. And I particularly think that after the last election through the “Red wall” voting Tory leaves a massive opening for nationalists, because that these aren’t loyal Tory voters.

We need to have a nationalist party with a working class ethic that will appeal to people who are patriotic and socially conservative. But also want their concerns dealt with. You know, they want hospitals, they want a decent welfare system. And I think their concerns about the demographics, and things like rape gangs, being taken very seriously. So we’re faced with a massive opportunity now. Which I think to a certain extent has been delayed by Brexit.

I don’t think anybody could think about anything else. Unfortunately now we’ve got the coronavirus. But, assuming Brexit does happen, the fact that Brexit has happened it gives normal politics a chance to kick back in. And it’s an opening for the various nationalist, populist, and patriotic groups that existed in Britain today.

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Paul: I think we’ve got to make immigration, the big issue now. And then the consequences of what immigration, … We need to bring up this notion of we’re being replaced. Our cities are being altered out of all recognition. And we are in danger here! It’s happening far too quickly. And since 1997, we’ve allowed 10 million immigrants into Britain! And that’s a threat to our very existence! It’s an existential threat here!

This is [word unclear] of Britain. And we’ve got to rally people around that point. I mean, the hope was that the Conservatives were pickle this issue of immigration, and run with it and start to take action. But they were dragging the feet even before the coronavirus. They were talking good, but they actually done very little! And we’ve got to apply pressure! We’ve got to seize political power, or apply pressure on the Conservatives to stop immigration. Because we’ve got control of our borders again, this what leaving the European Union was all about. It was all about immigration! I know sovereignty is an important issue, but it was people who realized that we were being overrun.

And there is a constituency out there. That is the seventeen and a half million people who voted to leave! The old Labour constituencies which have turned to the Conservatives, the White working-class, know that the Labour Party doesn’t want to represent them! The Labour Party’s become the party of the fringes, the margins, the immigrants, the public sector. And there’s a massive opening there! There’s a gap! There’s a big gap in the political life of Britain that needs to be filled.

Horus: With Brexit it was very, very, annoying that it took three and a half years to actually get done. And we’re still not properly, until the end of this year and then possibly some extension of that, but once we are fully out of Brexit that excuse for the Tories is now stripped away, and they are exposed! It is then clearly them who are replacing us with Somalians, and Afghans, and so on! And they will have no excuse anymore.

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So, I agree with what you said. Like we’ve gotta get immigration and demographics on the agenda. And in my opinion the key thing along with that is to emphasize that it is the Tories doing it. Because I think our hope lies in essentially destroying —. And this is just a monumental task — but destroying the Tory Party!

And one good thing is that with Corbyn gone, it’s harder for Tory voters to sort of excuse themselves from switching away from the Tories, because they feel they betrayed them, by threatening themselves, or the rest of us with Corbyn. Because Keir Starmer is simply a less frightening figure. I mean, it’s still bloody awful, but like Corbyn was like a bogey figure! They could tell themselves:

“Now is not the time to switch away from the Tories, because I risk a Corbyn government.”

But whereas a Keir Starmer government sounds so much more moderate, whether it is, or not, fuck knows!

Paul: For me, Labor’s got off the edge of the cliff now! It’s totally anti British, anti-White, anti-Christian. I mean, it’s brought into this “woke” agenda completely! It’s not interested in the ordinary people of Britain anymore. And, because of that, for me, it’s no longer relevant in the situation.

Now the Tory party itself, is a very cagey institution. And it’s all about power! The Conservatives is the oldest political party in the world. It’s being in power most imposed of our last 200 years. And what they doing in the Tories, it’s very clever. They’re splitting the immigrants, bringing the Hindus on board, they’re bringing the jews on board, they’re bringing the Chinese on board. And they’re making the sort of Muslims, and the black inner cities, the black working class, they’re making them Labour’s constituency. And that’s how Boris got elected in Uxbridge. And that’s how they’re working this whole sort of demographic change now. And so, they’re always clever the Conservatives. They always know how to manipulate the situation.

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But if we want Britain to survive, and for the true British people, the ethnic British, to prosper in the future, that’s an agenda that we can buy into. We need the British, the ethnic British have a voice again in this country. This is what’s really tragic is that, certainly since Blair, the only time we’ve ever really had a voice is through the BNP. A little bit under UKIP. But we’re almost excluded from the political process, the ethnic British. And we need to rebel against this! We can’t accept I! Because it will lead to disaster!

Simon: Yes, precisely. Sorry Horus.

Horus: It’s just gonna take serious, determined, organization, and a lot of intelligence, some luck, and a lot of [word unclear]. Yeah, like what you said before they’re gonna use all the legal means, you know, lawfare and stuff. Our movement is gonna need lawyers, apart from anything else.

And I had a conversation with a guy from Manchester, called Phil. It’s on my channel if anyone wants to watch it. And one thing that came out of that conversation, we agreed that, yeah, we’re taking on the state, not just, you know, political parties!

And I think attacking this state, has to be a part of our strategy. Taking legal action against them, wherever we can. Because one good thing is that I’ve seen two YouTube channels recently, just in the last couple of weeks, saying, they are going to do exactly that. One’s called Crime Bodge. I don’t think he’s a political guy, I don’t know, he’s always going on about police corruption, police malpractice.

He says he’s gonna start taking legal action against police in Rotherham over the rape scandal. It’s very encouraging and I would encourage people to check that out. Another one’s called Not-So-Obvious. He’s making some big documentary, or series, about the rape gangs, trying to bring all the information together. And this is all about just saying:

“Well we don’t care whether it’s Labour, or whatever, it’s about whoever is allowing these networks of foreign men of rape British children!”

The people allowing that are criminals themselves! And they have to be taken down! And I see some sort of increasing focus and determination on, you know, [words unclear] we are responsible for this, we’re gonna get them! And I think that’s really encouraging, and to be encouraged as well! So I like that.

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Simon: Okay, let’s do a few questions and superchats. We’ve only got one superchat so far tonight. It’s from the fantastic Thin Red Line, who sends ten US dollars and says:

“Great stream very interesting! Paul Rimmer, …”

This is a slightly tongue it tongue in cheek question for Paul, but it takes us into interesting territory. The Thin Red Line asks:

“Paul Rimmer, will you join Patriotic Alternative?”

Paul: I believe we need nationalist unity in Britain, I mean, there’s a heck of a lot of talent out there. I mean, Horus has just talked about legal minds. But it needs a leader! Someone’s got to emerge to lead the nationalist movement. Mark Collett’s a very charismatic guy. He’s very intelligent. He’s very capable. If he could just drop his baggage, or turn against, it he could be a very effective leader.

Paul Golding is an immensely capable political activist! He can make things happen! He could be an effective leader. Again, he’s got problems, because he’s a got a criminal record. The state has persecuted him for so long.

But I almost go back to Enoch Powell. Enoch Powell came out of the establishment and created the earthquake. I mean, in 1968 80% of the British people backed Powell. They backed Enoch Powell. But he didn’t have a political party to take power.

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When Boris Johnson came out to the establishment and fought for Brexit, it was successful. It’s sort of, I’ve got to believe that there’s somebody there in that mix, in that establishment who is a genuine patriot! A genuine nationalist who wants to preserve the British nation. Who wants the British people to survive. And we’ve got to hope that somebody does emerge as a leader. And the Patriotic Alternative, I mean, Ralph is a fantastic guy! He’s very inspirational. And he’s got great insight. And I’m learning a lot from Ralph from studying his ideas.

And the Patriotic Alternative is going places, it’s dynamic! But it needs to fit in with the nationalist wave, internationally, because you should be inspired by what’s happening across Europe and across the world with the nationalist movements. This is our hope. We get inspiration from that. And we get resources from that as well, and support. So I think we can be optimistic. And the Patriotic Alternative is part of the nationalist sort of resurgence in this country. Why not join it?

Simon: Yeah. I think what’s important is that we don’t counter signal each other. I know you’re pretty close to Britain, First. I’ll put this up on the screen now just to emphasize the point that you’ll be speaking along with Paul Golding and Tommy Robinson. Who we might touch on the issue of Tommy Robinson, who we tend to be more critical of but the good thing about Paul Golding is he doesn’t counter signal.

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And yeah, both Horus and I are close to the Patriotic Alternative group, part of the general group. But one of our interests in speaking to you Paul is precisely this. That I felt that you would be the kind of person with whom we can build these kind of bridges. We need to be building bridges between these different groups, because we can’t be running around calling each other fascists, and Nazis, as we’ve been called recently. Because, you know, that’s behaving like the Left in our opinion.

Paul: We will all be called fascists, and Nazis, by the Left, anyway. Doesn’t mean, you know, it doesn’t matter if you are the real McCoy, or you are just an impersonator, or you are just a patriot, they will use these negative terms against you. But I think they’ll losing their power, their potency. Nazism’s a long time ago! Second World War finished in 1945.

For me, it belongs to history, you know, it’s like Cromwell and Napoleon. It’s from the past. And we’ve got to look forward! We’ve got to save our country, for our future generations! And this is what Ralph keeps emphasizing. We’ve got to look to the future now and see the opportunities ahead. Let go of the past and focus on what we can do to save this nation.

Simon: Yeah, the problem is that some of the groups. And this is why I retain my admiration. I think Paul’s style is a little bit different from ours, because he’s often quite confrontational, which is probably the reason why well he gets into trouble, so often. But and Marie waters, for example, recently made a video basically telling lies! Saying that we’re racists. Using using words like “Nazi”, and that we want to round all black and brown people up and throw them out of the country.

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Which is a million miles from the truth! And I’m sorry for putting you on the spot here. But obviously I’ve done my research and I’ve seen that you’ve kind of given your support, or certainly did a video at a meeting with Anne Marie. And I find this kind of behavior, speaking honestly, reprehensible, because it’s not getting us anywhere really.

Paul: Well I’ve always regarded Anne Marie as an incredibly courageous woman! And I think her position on Islam is very strong. But I’ve actually pushed this said:

“What’s your ideology? You’ve come out of the Labour party, you’re anti-Islam, what’s your ideas for the future of Britain?”

And she won’t commit herself to anything. And I was very disappointed the way she attacked Patriotic Alternative, the language which she used, homophobic, misogynistic, fascist, racist! It was a tick list from the Social Justice Warriors! And that sort of exposed the heart of it. I was very disappointed in that.

I mean, there’s great people in For Britain. I mean, Eddie Butler was there, a lot of exBNP people. We need really to be part of the nationalist coalition to change this country round.

I mean For Britain, they’re using the electoral road, and they’re trying to create a shield, so they can’t be attacked. But I was really disappointed when she said those things. I just thought:

“No, I can’t buy that, I don’t go along with that. I’m sorry.”

That’s not the language I would use. That’s the language of the Left. That’s destructive! That’s negative! That is how the Left operates. It’s all about negativity and destruction.

We’ve got to recognize positives in all situations. We’ve got to see Patriotic Alternative, there’s a lot of very genuine, very worthwhile people in it. You can offer hope to this country.

Simon: Well this is what we think we are. [chuckling]

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Horus: This should probably go for all nationalists, like ninety, ninety-five percent of our time should be spent fighting our real enemies, our mutual enemies. And there are occasions when you’re gonna need to stand up for your movement, because you’ve been attacked by another one. And that Anne Marie Waters attack on PA the other week was one [words unclear] not that significant in my opinion. I mean, it’s just, because For Britain, you know, it’s not that big a deal. And also that actually I think gained us some supporters from For Britain as well. But the other incident was when Tommy Robinson’s channel last summer, just unprovoked, made a really vicious attack on Shazia Hobbs, Dionne Moller and Mark Collett.

And that triggered off a huge surge of people moving from sort of the general Counter Jihad perspective into proper ethnic nationalism. Which videos I’ve made since then have all been in designed to encourage. And I would just say, yeah on those occasions you’ve got to make clear right that we disagree with you there, and we’re not standing for that.

But, I think among PA guysc like some of us, you know, in recent months have got overly focused on the groups just adjacent to us in ideological terms. And like we spent so much time just trying to destroy every little remnant of idiocy among them. Mostly our fight should be against the people actually bringing in foreigners into the country. Which, you know, is not to be blamed on Tommy Robinson, or Britain, First. That’s being done by the politicians and by this civil service, and so on. So I’d say if we’re spending more than five percent of our time attacking other patriot nationalists type people, we’re getting it wrong, I think. There’s a small call for it, but that is about all.

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Simon: Yeah, I totally agree.

Paul: We need to campaign to win elections. We need an organization which is ready to fight elections and which can sort of persuade the British people that we are there to represent them. And get the British people involved in that organization. I mean, Britain, First has been thwarted a lot, because of the legal position. They’re not allowed to stand candidates at the moment, they’re trying to overcome that. But we need a political force.

And For Britain to their creditor, they’re the only people that are actually fighting elections from any sort of patriotic perspective. And we desperately need to fight elections, because then you do look outwards. Then you do connect with the people and you start to address people’s hearts. And realize we can’t be ahead of the British people, we’ve got to bring them with us, you know, in this crusade to save our nation.

Now Tommy Robinson is a folk hero in this country! I mean, he’s an incredibly brave guy. He’s been in prison. He’s been attacked and he stayed the course. He’s fought back! Now politically, he tried to get elected for the Northwest, he failed there. He needs to connect with a political party. Because he needs to have a real political ideology, and not just a Counter Jihad approach. So, maybe he is a work in progress, or maybe he’s not, but only time will tell.

Simon: Okay. Let me just do a few more, more superchats have come in this is great. Let’s have a look. We’ve got Jay Radio who says:

“Great show guys! Great to see discussion and cooperation. Collectivise to survive!”

Yes, we agree mate. And Steve Ben Bob, another three US dollars. And thanks very much Steve Ben Bob. Another regular contributor, says:

“Important discussion tonight we need more of them.”

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. And we need to be reaching out. And I really agree with what Horus has just said.

We need to be building bridges, and we need to identify who the real, .., or we need to be fighting against who the real enemy is! Which is primarily the Left and Islam. We can talk about this in broader terms and broader strategies, but the enemy is pretty visible. And we really ought not to be bickering amongst ourselves.

Horus: And find Eric Pickles as well! [laughter].

I was on them I was on a stream with Laura Towler the other night — Hail Laura! And I said on that, whatever differences I’ve got with For Britain, … I mean, I don’t share their zionist support for Israel and stuff, you know, things like that. But all the same, if the next election comes around that I see, you know, fifty For Britain counselors have been elected, I’ll be delighted! Because that’s still progress! That’s still good. So I still see them as sort of brothers in the cause, really. We just got differences. But. We really need to spend very little time on the differences, right? Because we’re the task we face is so monumental anyway!

Paul: There’s so much great talent in the nationalist movement. If we pool our resources and get properly organized, and get a decent leader — it’s all big “ifs”, like. But if that happens, we could really impact this country again like we did during the BNP years.

I mean, we haven’t mentioned Nick Griffin tonight. He’s an interesting character in the background.

Simon: Yeah. Well Nick Griffin, I don’t know if you saw the interview we did with Nick Griffin three weeks ago? Very, very interesting. Quite strong differences of opinion, because Nick thinks and the basis of the difference of opinion is, Nick has given up on the electoral route. And he thinks we’re going to lose the electoral route. If it comes to a civil ethnic civil war, the indigenous people are also going to lose. So we ought to be going off into the country and creating, … Well I suppose this is an unkind and ungenerous summary of what he said. But we ought to be community building. And both Horus and my view of this is, of course, we need to community build!

[102:26]

All the nationalist groups, patriotic groups, that were involved in, community building is part of this. But firstly we shouldn’t give up on the electoral route! And if things did —. And this is in the worst of circumstances — if things did come to violence, I think you need to be very careful about completely giving up on the indigenous people of these islands who are much better rooted much more capable of looking after themselves. Obviously it’s a scenario that we don’t want to play out.

But we’re not finished yet! We’re not finished until we’re finished! And there’s plenty of votes left in it in his first. And if that doesn’t work, there’s plenty of fight left in us, I think. And that was basically Nick’s view. Nick is taking a back seat, I think. I’d like to speak to him again in the future. But. I don’t think we can count on him. Certainly in the kind of projects we’re talking about.

Paul: He did sound very jaundiced and disillusioned Nick. But, I think he probably can be re-inspired again. I mean, hope for me, hope springs eternal. That’s what being a Christian is all about. Even the dead can be resurrected, you know. And I think there’s so much hope out there and optimism. And. I don’t think he’s reading the demographics correctly. We’re not finished yet. We’ve still got a couple of decades to save this country. I mean, Ralph’s emphasized that point. And we need to:

“Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead!”

That’s the cry of old Henry the V*. But we don’t give up! Griffin’s wrong about that. We need to keep fighting and winning this political battle.

[* Henry V, also called Henry of Monmouth, was King of England from 1413 until his death in 1422. Despite his relatively short reign, Henry’s outstanding military successes in the Hundred Years’ War against France made England one of the strongest military powers in Europe. Source: Wikipedia]

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Horus: If things descend into violence which I mean, there is likely that there’ll be some sort of communal violence in the decades to come. But I mean, he mentioned that, yeah, obviously like nationalism has in many cases been populated by like fat, drunken, middle-aged, men. And I think he’s leaving aside the fact that they’re also quite a lot of young men, who if things start dividing along such clear lines, you will see that there is talk, like a fighting quality amongst Englishmen. We have made fine warriors over the centuries. And often very fearsome, vicious warriors as well! Psychopathic warriors in some cases, in a good way.

Paul: The Celts and the Saxons have a great heritage of fighting warriors, you know. And that’s what nationalism is about! Reinvigorating that and bringing it back to life! It’s not just about winning elections, it’s about stirring the national spirit again. Reviving the British soul! Oswald Mosely used to talk about that a lot. It’s the soul of Britain! It’s the inner spirit that needs to be revived. And that’s what we’ve got to do! And we’re the only people who are going to do that. We’re the vanguard of that. We’re the people who’ve kept hold of that spirit, or found that again. We might have gone off to the Left but we come back to patriotism. And I believe there’s a lot of young people out there who can be revived again. That spirit can be stirred in them, and we reconnect with our past. The positive things that are our past. The strength of our past.

Simon: This is one of the great things about the atmosphere we’re moving in at the moment. I’ve just turned 60. So I’m definitely the old man of this. But there’s lots of guys moving in our circles. We’ve got a young lad who’s 15, plenty of guys in their early twenties. So it’s really positive. There’s young people who are getting involved in this. And before we move on I don’t want to do another superchat from Johnny Jay, who’s another regular contributor. Thank you very much. He sends 25 US dollars and he says:

“Great show lads! Paul my mum and dad were born in Walton. Ripon Street and Eaton Street. Is there any hope for Walton now? Like what you are saying about the Left being in disarray, they are. The government is too, e.g., the tweet from the health account from ethnicities and genders adversely affected by Covid ridiculed. Time to pounce!”

Did you get that Paul, or do you want me to repeat any of it?

Paul: No I got that, yeah, I mean, Walton, I grew up in Walton as a kid. I used to live in the shadow of Goodison Park, Everton Football Club. And it’s an old traditional scouse working-class community. It voted Tory for most of its history. I mean, the famous Lord Birkenhead, Frederick Smith, he was the MP for Walton. And this is great hope there! There’s great hope for the people. I know people in Walton, and I know even though they’ve sort of voted Labour of late, they are patriotic people. And they are strong people! They are very masculine as well! Very traditional people.

And one way, or another, we’re gonna stir the British people again. We’re not gonna go down without a fight! We’re going to stir the British people! Were not prepared to see this nation Islamized! We’re not prepared for the British people to be pushed aside!

There’s a glory in this nation. That is what Jonathan began used to speak about. The glory of Britain! And it’s there. It went over to the United States in a sense. And this is one of the great things about Donald Trump, his mother is Scottish! She’s got that Scottish grit about her! And we have got to revive that Britishness, that Scottishness, that scouseness! The old Cockneys of the East End, they were pushed out, we can’t allow this to continue!

We’ve got to value our head our heritage! Our working-class heritage! The common people, the yeomanry. You know, the men of oak who fought at the Battle of Trafalgar. The men who fought at Waterloo! The men who built the British Empire! He crossed the five continents and made Britain the supreme nation of the world! And English is the language of the world!

So much glory of this nation. And it comes from the common folk, the common man. Because we’re a great people, we’re a gifted people, and we were in line with God, and we were in line with what was right, and we’ve got to stir that again! We got to awaken the British spirit again!

Simon: Fantastic stuff! And another superchat from Serena JB. Thank you Serena, and that three 3 GB pounds:

“Very interesting show as always.”

And we’ve got a few questions as well that are unpaid, but we’re going to read them out anyway. Chaé Ragnarson has got the top one with two votes:

“How was, or what was the message the NF [National Front] gave to be able to draw in the following they began to amass during those times?”

You know, what was it about the NF that that attracted so many people back in the 1970s?

Paul: Well, it fed on Enoch Powell’s message, that we were bringing about our own downfall. That the funeral pyre was being built! And when it was going to be lit, this great nation is gonna be extinguished. And we all had a duty as Englishmen, as British people, to stop this happening! And people bought into that. People were very patriotic, it wasn’t long after the war. It was only like, 30 years, after the war. And it was that war generation was still around.

[110:04]

But people still love this country! They love this island! I mean, it’s a beautiful place Britain! It’s got a fantastic history! And we’re all privileged to be British! I mean, Cecil Rhodes said:

“To be born British is to win first prize in the lottery of life!”

I mean, we passed the baton to America, and we’ve got the English-speaking world. But it’s still something of real value here. We have to rise for the challenge and defend it, and make Britain prosper again!

Simon: Okay, fantastic! And the second question from Chief Only Son Smith, who is definitely a gritty Scot, says:

“Bearing in mind the only enemy we really have is the White, smug, liberal, Libtard, normie, should we just double down on the bad optics and truth-telling, rather than grovel to these traitorous vermin? Discuss!”

So, I think he’s saying:

“Do we mind being called fascists?”

Paul: Well we don’t need, … These labels, they really should just fall away from us, because what we are is people who love our history, and our traditions, and other people going through the ages! Not just Britain, but part of Christendom. That’s really important. We fought in the Crusades to defeat Islam in the past. And that war against Islam started really in a 7th century and didn’t conclude until very recently! It went on for over a thousand years! You could say it ended at the gates of Vienna.

Simon: I think it still hasn’t concluded actually!

Paul: It’s rekindled hasn’t it. Now and we’ve got to rise to the challenge again. I think we’ve got to revive our churches. I’m really impressed the way Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church is reviving Russia. And you can see like Modi in India, Hinduism. He’s using religion to revive the nation. In Japan, Shintoism with Abe [Prime Minister]. And Viktor Orban, and in Poland, the Catholic Church is very conservative, very nationalistic. We need the churches, because we need the spiritual uplift as well.

We’ve got to realize that this is a spiritual battle were fighting. We’re not just fighting for our race and our history, were fighting for what is right and true! We’re fighting for what is decent, you know what is wholesome!

This is why our fight is against Cultural Marxism, as well as Islam, and as well as this globalist agenda. It’s a fight for what is worthwhile in life. This is about the purpose of our lives, to create a better future for our children. To value what we’ve received in the past, and to actually keep it strong in the present. This is the battle that were fighting. The spiritual battle! And we’ve got to revive the Christian spirit in Britain.

Simon: Yeah. I tend to agree. I’m so close to becoming a full Christian! I go to churches all the time — when the coronavirus doesn’t keep me at home! I’m kind of a massive fan of religious art, and wander around Catalonia, and all over Spain, actually. I love the architecture! I love everything about it! I love the way it makes me feel.

But there’s something very sad, is that religiosity, sadly, and I have to admit it, has been educated out of me! There’s a lot of time I kind of look around and like:

“Please! Please come and save me!”

I would really like it to happen, but it doesn’t seem to happen. But you’re completely right. You need to be fighting! We need to be poet warriors, fighting for a greater cause!

Paul: I like that!

Simon: That comes from the higher good really, I think.

Horus: Something we agreed on, … Oh sorry [interrupting Paul]. Just in the first few weeks of us doing this. I started doing this with Simon, what, last October sort of time. And within the first few weeks we sort of agreed on one particular point. That of a moral principle, I guess. Just that we believe in beauty, truth, and goodness, right? I mean, I’m not, I wouldn’t call myself a Christian. I did pray for the first one since I was a child earlier this year. And it was answered. I don’t know to whom exactly I was praying. But there was something happened, and I felt myself changing since.

So I’m beginning to agree with what you say about the spiritual cause. What never motivates me, is just when people say that we need to be spiritual, because it’s of utility to us. It has to be authentic, otherwise, it just seems like an imposition, if that makes sense. So that’s how it appears to me, anyway. But I’m speaking from a sort of atheist point of view.

But, you know, that has to be nurtured in the most, … I can’t even describe how it can be done! Like the nurturing of the spiritual side of the movement, if it presented to you as a matter of obligation, it’s very off-putting. This is how I find it anyway. But if it’s something that you actually, … I can’t finish off my thoughts, … That’s how I developed my thinking, is I can’t finish my sentence. [chuckling]

Paul: , you know what, we’re going through period of purification! And I see it mostly in Russian, the purifying. I mean, they got rid of communism. I mean, in the Ukraine alone they removed 5,000 statues of Lenin in Ukraine! I mean, millions of streets in Russia have been renamed! Places, artifacts have been removed!

The only thing they’ve left in the communist period it’s the war memorials. So it’s like a purification of the nation, going back to its heart, and it’s soul. Which is Russia, the Christian faith. But we need a purification in the churches as well in the West.

Pope Francis, the Jesuit Order, they were taken over by the Marxist in the 1960s. What should be a source of strength for us and the institution’s we can gather round, the Cultural Marxists have moved in and corrupted them! The Church of England has been really severely damaged! Maybe beyond redemption. Now this as part of the battle as well. Saving our culture, saving our spiritual life, saving our religious heritage! This is all its all part of the battle were fighting. It’s a much bigger battle just fighting for our race and our nation. It’s a battle really to save what is a glorious culture!

This is what Jonathan Bowden used to speak about. Something which it inspires us, and gives our life meaning, and gives us hope for the future. And something, which is worth fighting and dying for! This is what we’re losing in our culture. Now everything is losing it’s meaning, and it’s significance, and people are sort of apathetic.

That spirit that the British people could be stirred to actually fight to the death for something, this is what we had in the past! This is why we survived as a nation. Because don’t forget, Britain, the Spanish Armada came here, the French tried to destroy us, we had to fight across the five continents to establish our Empire. We had that inner zeal in us! You know, it’s really important! It’s like a force of life, and it’s a positive thing, it’s a positive energy! This is what we need in the nationalist movement. We need that vitality!

In the sense the National Front had in the 1970s, and the BNP had it between 2000 and 2010. And when you were part of it was so invigorating!

I remember going to like the Red, White, and Blues of the BNP and the atmosphere was electric! That sense of comradeship! Friendliness! Lifting each other up was amazing! It was like going back to a golden age Britain. And this is what the Left despise. They despise this collectivist spirit!

I mean, Simon talked about the NUM and stuff, they were Marxists and communists, but they did have, the has been lost in a sense, that working class community. That sense of solidarity. And it’s so important to make a nation strong and it came out of the churches in the past, and these are sources of energy for our people. These are sources of life, social reproduction. And they’re so important!

This is what Trump has brought back to America. When you see as rallies, you feel the energy of his rallies! They’re electric! And people are inspired by them! You have to raise people’s horizons! They have to see something beyond themselves, the bigger picture, that were not individuals just going through life, you know, struggling to get through each day, but we belong to a collective and ancient body.

Simon: Well, I think that is a great, … We have just come up to the two hours. I think that’s a great, an inspiring way to finish. It’s about the greater good. We have to collectivize. We talk a lot about collectivizing and re-racinating, about understanding who we are. And I don’t know what you think Paul. But I think this conversation has been really positive. It shows that people in this movement have plenty in common, and any minor differences that we have, can easily be overcome. And I think the audience should take that away as a really positive message.

Paul: Hear, hear! Thanks Simon! Thanks Horus! Appreciate it!

Simon: A pleasure having you on Paul. If you want to check out Paul’s YouTube channel. The link is in the description box.

Thanks for being here folks. I think it’s been a fantastic conversation. Look after yourselves, and we’ll see you all next week!

Paul: Bye!

Horus: Thank you Paul!

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Simon Harris – EF 19 – A Conversation with Nick Griffin – Apr 14, 2020 — Transcript

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[Simon Harris and Horus talk with the former leader of the BNP, Nick Griffin, about whether there is any prospect of nationalists taking back Britain through the electoral process, or not. Griffin believes that there is no electoral route, and that nationalists throughout Europe must make long-term plans for a modern “Reconquista” style takeover that will take at least three generations to achieve.

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European Freedom #19

A Conversation with

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Apr 16, 2020

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[00:08]

Simon: Okay. Hello everyone and welcome to European freedom livestream number 19. Which is a conversation with Nick Griffin, who isn’t here yet. Nick’s going to be here for the first hour, or so. So we got a lot to talk about. Let’s hope he arrives soon. If he’s not gonna be here for the first hour, he’ll be here for an hour, whenever he arrives.

But let’s chat about a few things before he comes, and welcome my good old mate Horus. How’s it going?

Horus: Well Simon. It’s good. I’ve just that a massive roast dinner which is quite a treat for Tuesday. And [word unclear] as well. So it’s going well. How are you doing?

Simon: That is good. I’m going okay. Pottering along.

Horus: Vienetta today?

Simon: Yes. We had had aubergines and I don’t know what haricot beans, I suppose they’re called and a bit of pepper, you know. At the moments I’ve cooked 32 with the 32nd day of the lockdown. We’ve had 32 different things to eat. I’m beginning to run out of ideas now! Becoming a bit difficult. What’s the state of your latest video?

Horus: I’ve recorded it. I’ll just got an odyssey of editing to do. It’s probably gonna end up being more than two hours, this one. I don’t even know if it’s that exciting, so don’t anyone be expecting anything. But I’ve started doing more conversations. I did my first live stream the other night. Which, thank you for your question, by the way.

Simon: Yeah.

Horus: And thanks to everyone else who tuned in to that. There were loads of people watching like compared to what I expected. And I’m hopefully talking to Alison Chabloz tomorrow, and others soon. So yeah, so I’ve done more live stuff in between. It’s just easier.

Simon: Well Nick is here. So I’m gonna add him to the stream. Good evening Nick! It’s very, very, it’s a great pleasure to finally speak to you.

Nick Griffin: Sorry about the delay. The internet is working at a snail’s pace here at the moment. But I’ve now managed to get on. We should be okay.

Simon: Good! That’s what’s important. Okay, as I said, to everybody in there in the chat and it’s gonna be here for the first hour, or so. So we need to crack on with questions. And before we start everybody knows who Nick is, so I don’t need to give him a massive introduction. But before we start I wanted to say to everyone how fantastic it is to finally speak to Nick, because most of the audience will remember when I came out on the JQ, back in February, March 2018. And after I came out it was a bit like being in a tank of piranhas! And one of the few people that reached out to support me was Nick. And he and I have been in loose contact every now and then. But it was really great to feel that there was someone out there fighting my corner. So I want to thank you for that Nick.

Nick Griffin: Oh you’re welcome. I was very pleased to see you come out, as they say! [chuckling]

Simon: Yeah, it was a big moment for me. Okay, let’s start with some Nick Griffin recent news. I’ve kind of noticed inevitably researching this show that you’ve done a flurry of interviews and you’ve kind of you’re back on the scene again. Can you give us some idea about why perhaps why are you back on the scene? What plans have you got in the immediate future?

Nick Griffin: Yeah, well it was really a question of why I was off the scene actually. A little bit of that what personal. I’ve been renovating a house, but I’ve I finished that. But far more important than that, I’ve been, for several years after leaving the BNP, people have been asking me, you know,:

“Form a political party Nick. We will follow you!”

And all the rest of it. And I wasn’t prepared to do that, because I concluded that the electoral road was shut. And so to say I’m forming a political party give me your subscriptions, everything’s going to be fine, would have been a pure lie, which I wasn’t prepared to do! And it’s taken me several years of well a lot of very intensive work and thought and research to really work out where we are, and what can be done. And there’s great many good things that can and should be done. So now that I’ve got a clear vision of where we need to go, and what needs to be done, then it’s time to start talking about it again and selling the idea.

So I’ve set this down into what’s effectively three books, actually. Now the first one pretty near completion. And once I felt, once I’ve got the answer to give to people, then I’m ready to get back involved. So I’ve taken the time out to do that. And now I’m nearly there. As you say a flurry of interviews which I hope will go on, because I’ve got a lot to say to people. And looking around it certainly needs saying, because there’s too many people out there, good people, who don’t know where they’re going, but no fault of their own it’s a matter of experience mainly. And other people are so tied up with the excitement of getting on and doing something, that they’re not doing the right thing.

[05:29]

Simon: Okay okay. So I mean, part of a part of our role here if you don’t mind, I’ll play devil’s advocate a little bit.

Nick Griffin: Splendid!

Simon: Obviously I’ve kind of listened to the interviews and listen to what you’ve been saying. I think particularly interesting was the audio that you released of the chapter to your book. And, you know, inevitably you being you, this is caused a lot of people to comment on it. So if you don’t mind, let me give my overview of what I think you’re saying. And then we can have a conversation based on that. And you can tell me if you think I’m right, or not.

To me it appears that what you’re saying is, firstly, it’s too late for any electoral solutions who are diminishing demographics to be viable. And secondly, that nationalists would be easily beaten by a combination of the liberal elites, forces of law and order, their leftist street militia, and the hoards of migrant orcs, if there were to be some kind of violent confrontation, some kind of ethnic civil war.

So the only option as far as you’re concerned, is preparing for our survival., you know what sounds to me a little bit like a post-apocalyptic world, really. And I’ve heard you talk a number of times about it’s a “three generation solution”. So is that a fair representation of what you’ve been saying? And if not, how do you think you could express it better?

Nick Griffin: Yeah. Thank you, Simon. That’s a very fair and accurate assessment what I’m saying. To use a simile, when I was leading the British National Party, effectively we and other nationalists in other parts of Europe similarly were calling out the passengers on the Titanic:

“Look the ship is heading towards an iceberg! It’s gonna strike, then you’re gonna to drown! And let us onto the bridge, and we’ll turn the ship around before it happens.”

We’re now in the position because of demographic reasons primarily, where the ship has hit the iceberg! The ship of Western civilization is going to sink!

So what I’m saying is there’s no point now fighting to get onto the bridge, when one, the powers to stop us even getting onto the bridge are now, so sophisticated — they worked out dealing with people like the BNP when we were the real threat — they’ve worked out how to deal with the threat. So they keep us off the bridge anyway! But even got in control of the bridge, it’s no use, because the ship is sinking! So we need to be not worrying about saving everybody. It cannot be done.

What we need to be worrying is about saving those who are awake enough to be saved, who want to be saved, and building the nucleus in every sense, a nucleus in genetic terms, in DNA terms, in cultural terms, the nucleus of our people who will survive what is now inevitable. Because at the other end of that collapse — and people say this is black pilling. And it’s not black peeling at all. A black pilling implies there’s no hope.

What I really say is that while liberalism was in effect unchallengeable, there was no hope, liberalism is now finished! The ship is going down and liberalism will be utterly finished and discredited! The minute liberalism is gone, then our people have hope. But for mainly demographic reasons there won’t be, it’ll take three generations before there’s enough of our people to take back our lands.

Horus: Why would it be possible for us to take back our lands later? Is that, because we would have put together a sort of certain hard core, presumably quite a small hard core, that will be so well organized and clear about it’s mission, and so on. Is that what you mean?

Nick Griffin: Yeah. It’s partly that, yeah, absolutely! But also it is purely about demographics. And I’ve spent all the time in Spain and I’ve studied the Reconquista in Spain. I know Simon you may have a position on this.

But time after time, in the villages and towns of central and southern Spain, if look into the history, you find a piece saying that in 14 whatever, or whatever the date was, some Duke of such and such, asked for people to come to from Galicia, like that up in the north to resettle the place.

[10:03]

And I came to the conclusion that the reason the Reconquista took seven hundred years, wasn’t really about the military side of things, it’s that’s how long it took in the days when large numbers of children died before they became adults, especially. That’s how long it took to breed enough young farmers and their wives, not only to wield swords, but also once they’d taken back the land, to use plows and to use it and to hold it. So the reason it’s a three generation struggle, is that the demographics of the Western populations, …

Once the boomer generation is gone and then the generation now only having one child per woman of childbearing age, once they die out having half their numbers, we’re going to be talking about a few million Brits! A couple of million Hungarians! Say 10 million German! There’s 10 million French. That’s all it’s going to be! And this isn’t me inventing something, or speculating, this is just hard demographic fact! That’s where we are going to be in 30, 40 years time.

So the only way to retake these lands is the combination is of — as you’re saying — a hard core who really know what’s to be done and are prepared to fight. And once liberalism has gone our people will fight, and no one will better us. And even with that, it’s still gonna take three generations of very rapid breeding to have enough young men and enough young women to take back the land and hold it.

Simon: I think we need to roll this back a little bit really. I mean, I would respond to that is, the Reconquista began from Asturias in 722 and from after the Battle of Poitier’s 732 [also called The Battle of Tours]. And certainly my knowledge, I’ve got a very, very deep knowledge of what happened in Catalonia. And it is true that the Muslims went up through Catalonia which is like a passageway into the rest of Europe, into what is now France. And the survivors basically hid up in the Pyrenees.

I’ve done this journey many times, it’s quite an emotional journey traveling down from the tiny little churches in the eighth, ninth, century churches in the Pyrenees. Like in [word unclear] which have got a beautiful little Romanesque churches. Then you move into central Catalonia, with slightly bigger churches. And then you get right close to the Valencian border and you’ve got magnificent monasteries! So you can see how the culture gained in confidence as they took more land back. But that was the seventh, and eighth century. This is the 21st century, and I’m not certain how many parallels we can draw from that.

Nick Griffin: I think you can draw a great deal, because history does go in circles. Obviously the technology, and so on, changes. But, if you look through all of European history, especially the more that’s known about, you know how DNA can be studied, and so on. So we see that the great moments of what, they weren’t sure, was a cultural change, or demographic change, say in the Bronze Age? And they now have concluded about Spain, that’s on the male side the pre-Bronze Age inhabitants of Spain just don’t exist, in modern genetics. The male’s are all Bronze Age males, and the females are the ones who go back to Neolithic times. So you have complete population change by men coming in slaughtering other men and taking their women. Brutal, but that’s the way change works!

And so I think that the example of what happens in the Reconquista, if Europeans are going to get back their lands, that is how it will be! It will take a long time, it’s combination of the sword and the cradle. And anyone who says there’s some easy way to do it, is simply either a fool will they’re deliberately lying! Because there is no easy way. But the minute liberalism is gone, the end result are pitting a population with average IQ of 100 against populations with an average IQ of 85, the result is not in question!

In the end we will take back every last piece of Europe! But it’ll be a damn sight easier if people stop wasting their time on fighting last century’s wars, and get on and think about what our people would need to win the wars that later on this century.

And I’m certainly not talking about guns, I’m talking mainly it’s a matter of spirit. It’s a matter of what’s going on in people’s heads, and their hearts. And are people prepared to stop thinking, … The greatest weakness of all of the Western European man is everybody thinks about “me”. Everybody thinks “I”. And we have to start getting into our people’s heads that “I” and “me” have to go! It has to be about “we” and “us”!

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Simon: Okay, I definitely agree with that, but okay, let’s death let’s definitely roll it back, because this is based on a number of, well what we’re talking about now is based on quite a few suppositions. And the first one being that there is no electoral route. And I would challenge that! I know you’ve said that people are either conmen, or stupid. I don’t think I’m either. But I definitely think there’s there’s a possibility.

I’ve shared my, … I haven’t got it available now, but with Ralph Masilamani, we’ve done a couple of streams recently. And we’ve been looking at the electoral possibilities very seriously. And I’ve got a graphic that I’ll put up when I’ll stop talking, that shows that the top that, the first ten constituencies in Britain with the lowest majorities, are all majorities under a thousand. So they’re all kind of winnable. In order to turn things around you don’t necessarily have to win an election. You have to have political presence in Parliament. And once you’ve gained some political power then there’s the chance of holding the larger party’s feet to the fire.

So I mean, this is my opinion, I think it’s unwise to give up on the electoral route. The election route is obviously very, very, very difficult. And to a certain extent one of the problems — again one of the things we talk a lot but a lot about with Ralph — is what he calls the “Cathedral”. I’ll just call it the “system”. But the system to a certain extent has been gamed. What was once a homogeneous society, there are various out groups some of (((them))) from a country on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean — I think we know where who we’re talking about — but various other groups such as Muslims and blacks who have political presence.

And in many respects I agree with you, that we need to start thinking about “we”. But we need to racinate ourselves and start treating ourselves as an in-group, and fighting politically. Certainly initially as an in-group in order to win some win back some political power.

Nick Griffin: I understand everything there. I can understand why you and many other people genuinely think it. I would say — and bear in mind that I led the most successful electoral nationalist political party in the history of the entire English-speaking world, that’s a simple fact — so and, in fact, if you look at even many of the more successful apparently more successful European parties they have the huge advantage of having proportional representational systems. And if they have the same system as then, it’s not likely even the people at the Front National would have done any better than the BNP.

So honestly, I do know what I’m talking about. And I would say that the prospect of building a hardcore nationalist party capable of relaunching that challenge, it could not be done in less than 10 years! And the demographics are constantly against us! Worst of all, in dealing with the BNP, the British establishment came finally to understand — they called us all sort of names, Nazi, fascist — none other had any effect, if anything it actually turned desperate people towards us, because they realized that we were different to the hated politicians.

What stopped us was the safety valve. The UKIP trick! And you’ve seen this, you know, I speak to my colleagues in parties like the NPD in Germany, in [word unclear] over in Italy. And any time that real nationalists start to make enough progress to scare the system, the elites, whatever you want to call them, then they run out a safety valve, like Alternative for Deutschland, or [word unclear] Nord or whatever. If they don’t roll this out, they exploit it. And they boost it up as a real problem. So what you would end up, …

Yes, I agree that the same kind of electoral process that produced Brexit, might produce some kind of soft populist party getting somewhere near power. In which point all the other parties then gang up and impose their cordon sanitaire to stop them getting into power. If they even managed, if they appear to being able to overcome that, then like the Vlaams block in Flanders they simply banned as a threat to democracy!

[19:57]

Again I’m not being hypothetical, or scaremongering, that is what they have done. Now if the Western politicians, the Liberals, in the rest of Europe turned round and said to Belgium:

“You can’t do that! You can’t ban the most popular party in Belgium, just you don’t like them?”

Then you could think that they’d be hope for them behaving decently elsewhere in Europe. But without exception they all agreed that the liberal Belgian state was right to ban a nationalist party, because otherwise it might come to power and threaten democracy! So that is what they would do.

So at most you’ll end up with a populist party somewhere near power. And a populist parties an idea of dealing with the problem is to ban the burka, or to stop immigration. No matter whether you ban the burqa, or stop immigration. Their demographics, the expansion of their population, at the same time as ours is declining, has already sorted what’s going to happen in Europe in the next thirty years! We are going to be the minority! We’re going to be the biggest minority in our own country, but we are going to be the minority!

The other thing just to finish off on why it was go anywhere, is that if everybody in the country, or majority people in the country had attitudes like us three and the people listening to this show, yes, of course, we could do it. But you would have to say at some point to the public, in our case Britain, that when we send them all back. And if we don’t seem virtually all of them back, then we’re going to become a minority in their own country.

Then we’re going to be so short on young workers that it is actually true, that you’re going to work until the 80! Before you get your pension. And you’re going to have to pay massive confiscatory taxes, unless you have at least three children. Doesn’t matter whether you’re gay, straight, why ever you haven’t got children, if you haven’t got children you’re gonna have to pay massive taxes until your dying day!

Because to get our birth rate up from one, which is where we are now, realistically. A woman of childbearing age, to get that up to three, we are going to have to spend vast amounts of money on people so they can have children! Because there’s now, so few women of childbearing age and below, that unless we pay each vast amounts of money, and give them vast amounts of help and status, it’s not going to happen! So, and on top of this, when people say and I’ve had lots of youngsters especially say to me:

“Well we’ll have to come to power and we’ll have to simply say to them you’re going! We will issue a decree, like Edward the first did. We will send them all home!”

I’m sorry! It’s not going to happen! This is their home, unfortunately. They don’t want to go home! Why would they want to go back home to Pakistan, or Somalia, when that they can live perfectly nicely in Britain? They would fight! And I see no sign, whatsoever that the British of my generation, your generation, or the young generation now, have got what it takes to win, let alone survive an ethnic civil war in which hundreds of thousands of people die horrible deaths! It’s a fantasy! It’s a nonsensical fantasy! It is not going to happen!

Therefore we are going to become a minority in our own country! So anything which encourages people to expend their energy on the idea of a nice soft solution, and thereby stops people from putting their energy into building communities, into helping families rear their kids the right way, so they become part of the solution, rather than part of the problem. Anything which takes away from the things we can do in pursuit of a fantasy of what we’d like to do, is a desperate danger to the survival of our people!

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Simon: Okay. And, you know, in order to prepare for this one of the things that I listened to was Jonathan Bowden’s “Vanguardism” speech which is a hope for the future. And one of the interesting things he says and the nice thing is, is the example he gives is the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks meeting in a pub in London — this saves me having to talk about the people that joined the party of a certain Austrian painter, only being 7% of the German population — but the example he gives is that small groups of “Vanguards” are the people that actually change history. Nobody would have predicted in 1900 that 20 years later, or 17 years later, the Bolshevik Revolution would have been successful in Russia. So there’s a degree of Vanguardism.

And I don’t disagree with you on, or I completely agree on the idea of building community. And to a certain extent what we’re talking about is the reason why both Horus and I are loosely involved, or supporters of Patriotic Alternative. And both of us think this is the best option we’ve got. What we’re trying to do is at the same time as build community and solidarity, investigate political possibilities. At the moment the party isn’t a feasible electoral option, but that’s not counted out for the future. And something else that I would say is that the, and with all due respect, obviously the BNP is the most successful nationalist party.

Nick Griffin: Was, was!

Simon: Okay “was” the most successful nationalist party, certainly in my life. I was going to say “is in my lifetime“.

But the whole culture has changed. I heard you talking about the need for kind of working-class boot boys, and that was the one of the reasons why the BNP and the National Front before it had such a bad image. Yeah that’s possibly true. But certainly I think there’s a cultural change that’s taking place. And this is not, I come from a working class myself. I’m educated out of it to a certain extent as a result of university. But I identify as working-class. So I’m certainly not doing down other members of my class. I feel very proud to know that’s where I’m from.

But as a slightly more educated, slightly more elitist, and in lots of nationalist politics people often talk about the need for an “elite“, an “officer class” as it were. And I’m not certainly not saying that National Front, people like yourself and Martin Tyndale, weren’t officer class. But I think the popularity, that the dam has burst, in terms of the social acceptability of what has now become, turned from the Alt-Right to the dissident Right. And it’s actually quite “cool” to be dissident Right in a way that once again, with all due respect, I don’t think it was ever “cool” in inverted commas, to be National Front, or BNP.

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Nick Griffin: Yeah, I understand where you’re coming from. It was very [sound cut out for 10 seconds] but not, primarily Mark Collett has radicalized a huge number of young, middle class, lads. Some of them taken from the Tommy sort of movement, who were on a rather like you, an intellectual voyage of discovery of their own. But also a lot of youngsters who wouldn’t have touched Tommy, because he was a working-class oink. And that’s a kind of English snobbery, which by the way, I detest. But it’s realistic. It’s there.

So they have been radicalized and I would accept your concept that here we have a potential officer class, but for one problem. They’re virtually all hiding behind pseudonyms! And I, at present, don’t see any sign, and I know mark’s actually trying, fair play, to say we’ve got to get away from being behind our computers, and out into the real world! You have to be in the real world under your own name!

Now I think perhaps there’s a hope here of external circumstances coming into our advantage. Because the economic depression that is going to be caused by the government’s clearly deliberately catastrophic mishandling at the coronavirus problem. I hope it is going to be such that these young men are going to realize they didn’t want to go to university anyway! There was no need them going to university, anyway! And getting a huge debt and a worthless degree.

And I hope very much that this is going to, by extinguishing basically the middle class, because they’re going to be squeezed between people that receive benefits, courtesy of the state, and the fraction of a 1%, who have really all the wealth.

So I think that the squeeze on the middle class that’s coming may indeed leave some middle class youngsters to realize:

“I’ve got nothing to lose! I may as well get out there on the my own name and do things that I want to do, rather than getting on the bourgeois hamster wheel for my entire life!”

And the minute they’re on the hamster wheel with a debt, then you’ll see their radicalism without their name to it simply vanish. Which I don’t want to see.

But that’s the problem with the officer class. I’ll believe these people are officer class if they all stand up and give their real name, and abandon the pretense you can be a radical nationalist to be “cool”, and at the same time have a career within the system. You cannot! You have to make a choice!

You have a career, and lots of money, and your wife has to work as well, because you can’t afford a house in London. You can have a career, all that, and no children, or you can get out of this system and have lots of kids and be part of a “revolutionary vanguard”. I hope lots of new young lads do make the right choice.

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Simon: Well they’re lovely Alison’s Chabloz who’s in the chat has said:

“Lots of us are using our real names. I would include myself in that. Can the gentlemen in this stream who is hiding behind a pseudonym.“

Horus. What have you got to say about that mate?

Horus: What, about being under a pseudonym myself?

Simon: Well, no. I mean, more generally. I’m using that as a link to bring you into the conversation.

Horus: Oh, thanks! Well what I want to talk about the political solution, … Nick if I’m correct you’re saying it is we should abandon a political solution altogether? I mean, are you saying, because Patriotic Alternative, quite explicitly says:

“We may become a minority against all our efforts. It still may well happen.”

We’re still certainly on course for that at the moment. But their intention is to build as much community and solidarity with each other as possible, for collectivizing, you know, in a good way. And also doing as much as we can in politics knowing that we may fail. And are you saying that the political side of that is a waste of resources, a waste of scarce resources?

Nick Griffin: Yeah absolutely! Because it’s not a question if we “may fail“, we “may not” become a minority. We are going to become a minority! That’s it! The demographics are already there!

People don’t see it, because, say a man at 50, so 10 years younger than me and a man at 50 looks hale, and a woman of 50, they look hale and hearty. They are vigorous parts of the community, but, they cannot have any more children! End of! In demographic terms they are waiting to shuffle off their mortal coil. And that is where huge majority of the population of the entire West, now is!

And the number, if you look at the number of young women of childbearing age and younger. And the ones of childbearing age now are having even fewer children than the last generation did. So that’s not going to change, especially in a recession, stroke depression, birth rates go down!

So, for the next 10 years our birth rate is going to be even lower and it has been up until now. And the birth rate for them, the “others“, and because capitalism needs mouths — it doesn’t need workers so much now because robots can do the work — capitalism needs consumers! People to recirculate the taxes. So all the pressure on the elites is — even if they didn’t want to get rid of us — they’re pushed to getting rid of us, because the only place they can find young people, who are the ideal consumers in a society, is to bring them in from abroad! So immigration is not going to stop.

Anyone trying to stop immigration is going to get squished, because if you stop immigration, the capitalist system is screwed! So yeah, I am saying that the political, or political path is completely shut! It’s not a question of when, if we become a minority, we’re going to be!

So if Patriotic Alternative accepts that and says:

“Right! We’re going to be a political party like the Socialist Workers Party.”

A political party, not an electoral party. People snigger at the Socialist Workers Party. But probably the majority of teachers in this country right now, have when they were at University went through, or flirted with, the Socialist Workers Party.

After 30, 40 years, they’ve told their people, so many of them, “go and become teachers“. And although once they become teachers on a screw, they then you lose their enthusiasm for sharing their wages with the workers, they still take with them the cultural Marxism that’s been inculcated through the universities and then honed by the SWP. And they are hugely effective force for a pernicious revolution in this country.

And they did once try. It’s very important this, actually. In the late 70s, the law in Britain meant that — the electoral law in Britain — meant that you couldn’t put out a single leaflet during an election unless you were standing.

And the Socialist Workers Party said to their members, … now I’m sure, you know, they’ve always said there is no parliamentary road to socialism. So they said:

“We know we’ve always said there’s no parliamentary road, but we’re gonna have to stand in these elections, because we’ve got to put out literature to stop the fascists! (this was the National Front) It’s the only way we can do it. So we’re not standing for the votes, we’re just standing as a tactic so we can oppose the fascist more effectively.”

Even when they told their highly political, highly intelligent, highly educated, members that, when they got such disastrous risible votes up against the National Front, it did them so much damage in terms of there morale that they had to stop!

[34:49]

And the key problem with fighting elections when everything is stacked against you, because you’re not just up against the ideology of the other parties — I used to think that — you’re not, especially at the local council level which is where you can, we used to win seats. Like Mark Collett got 25%, or so in one Leeds seat, not a particularly good one. We used to take council seats, but when you go for council seat you’re not just up against ideology, you are depriving mainly Labour Party, or Liberal politicians, of them living! You’re on their economic turf! You’re taking away their wage and you’re taking away the backhander cash that they get from corrupt deals with developers on the council. And those people will fight you tooth and nail!

As a result even if you occasionally managed to win a seat you’re then in the position, … we are a political guerrilla army. Guerrilla armies do not hold fixed positions. Once you win a seat it’s a fixed position. You have to defend it and they’ve got five years to throw vast amounts of money, and the trade unions, and the NGOs, and all the rest of it, are taking the seat off you. So you lose the seat and your morale goes to rock bottom.

And it’s the key problem with the attempt of playing the electoral road for a party like Patriotic Alternative, is that you get sucked into that system and you get utterly demoralized by trying to fight a fight which you can never win and hold.

And so it’s far, far, better I believe to do what Mark’s already partly got by saying:

“We have to build community, we have to build solidarity.”

Just do that! And completely stay away from the electoral road! If he does that, he’ll have — he may not want it — he’ll have my full support.

Horus: One thing that does stand out in the con that says:

“Do pursue the electoral road.”

For me, is that UKIP admittedly they had an easier task than PA, they had some actual wealthy backers, and so on. but they, you know, and I agree exactly with what you said about they were used to diffuse genuine nationalism, and so on, and Farage made that explicit, more than once. But, they only ever got two seats and they were thanks to defections. But their pressure nearly split the Tory party, well it caused grave problems for the Tory leadership, right? And that is what led to the EU referendum.

What is to say that we can’t do that in fairly, you know, I don’t know in what timescale. But let’s do that to maybe get a referendum on demographics, or something like that. Do you not see any possibilities there?

Nick Griffin: No. UKIP, Ferrage is a brilliant and a very lucky politician. Very lucky, because if you think when in the 2011 general election, so this is two years after myself and Andrew Brons were elected as MEPs* under a PR [Proportional Representation] system, which, of course, is now abolished for Britain. which is the thing that really made UKIP. You know, they were getting people elected as MEP from 1999 onwards. There’s no possibility of that now, and we have to win first past the post. If you haven’t had the European thing, and the European Parliament system, UKIP would never have gotten off the ground.

[* Brons was elected as a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) for Yorkshire and the Humber for the British National Party (BNP) at the 2009 European Parliament election. He was the Chairman of the National Front in the early 1980s.]

Having gone off the ground they were used a bit by the establishment to block the BNP. it was on an amazing scale!

In 2011, Farage and I, as far as the BBC rules for Question Time were concerned, were the same. So 2009 onwards. We should have had two appearances a year and one extra appearance a year if something came up which was our issue. So in the case of [words unclear] of the BNP, say the grooming issue came up, I should have been on. If something came up about the EU, Farage should have been on. Instead of that, I was on once as part of — as you know — a victim of a lynch mob! Farage was on 22 times! The BBC arch multi racialist — as you know — arch pro-Europeans, put Farage even on things like “Have I Got News for You“.* They promoted him obscenely in order to stop the BNP!

[* BBC programme since 1990— Celebrity contestants find themselves in the hot seat as they are quizzed on the latest news.]

So the reason you got Brexit in the end was that the core part of the liberal establishment, the BBC, was so terrified of the BNP getting a couple more seats in Europe — which actual would have made not a blind bit of difference — they were so scared of that, they promoted Farage and hence you UKIP, beyond anything it was a remotely reasonable, let alone decent. And thereby they got Brexit!

So it was so exceptional. but to say:

“Well just perhaps somehow, something like that will happen.”

In this case, it’s no! It simply is not realistic. It is an utterly false hope!

And I come back again, … just sorry just one more thing to come back. That it would be at least 10 years before any new party was remotely in a position to exercise that kind of challenge. Then bear in mind there’s two new parties out there. There’s the Civic Nationalist party, Anne Marie Waters, that nonsense! And there’s Patriotic Alternative doing and saying really pretty good things.

But when push came to shove, the BBC would promote Anne Marie Waters, rather than Mark Collett, as a way of blocking him. And that alone would stop it.

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And plus ten years time, you wait and see what proportion of young people, … you look in any primary school playground almost anywhere in England, you look at the population of them and portion of them and us. In 10-15 years time that proportion will be the case on the streets. And anyone who thinks they can push forward some kind of radical political change, when the streets of every major city and almost every town in Britain are controlled by radicalized young Muslims, I’m afraid it’s a pipe dream! It simply will not happen!

And if you want to understand what people should be doing, then, rather than looking at what happened between the BNP and UKIP 15 years ago, or whatever, you need to look at Northern Ireland. And look at how when the Republicans, the Catholics were the minority they used things like the Gaelic Athletic Association to build the cohesion and the strength of their community, both in terms of getting their own people better educations, but also controlling the streets in their areas.

And you now look at what the Loyalists are doing, now they’re the minority, with the Loyalist bands. And that Loyalist is now a minority in Northern Ireland, but every Saturday in the summer they put a hundred thousand young men out on the streets marching in military formation, quite legally, because they’re playing flutes.

But I’ll tell you what, those people control those streets. And whatever the British government, or the Irish government, or Sinn Fein* wants to do them they do with them, those people are not going away! They may be in the minority, but they will retain cohesion and control of their areas.

[* Sinn Féin is a centre-left to left-wing Irish republican political party active in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.]

And there’s nothing that is done in Northern Ireland that could not be done in Britain, if people weren’t wasting their time fantasizing about an electoral victory which will never happen!

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Simon: I’ll agree with you there to a certain extent, particularly from my experience in Catalonia, however cucked the Catalan Independence movement is now. Under Franco — the Catalans actually have a verb for it, they call it “Associationism” — and under Franco they could dance, they could play folk music, they could have barbecued onion eating festivals, lots of the weird things Catalonia do. And these are all covert ways of meeting and being Catalans, and building a community, and under what was an oppressive regime for them.

I want to bring up other points. There’s White is the New Green in the chat, says:

“Build communities. Stand in parish elections. Many of which have less candidates than seats available, so the votes aren’t even counted.”

And here we’ve got Steve Ben Bob on the superchats. He sends in four US dollars. And he says:

“Has Nick seen Ralph’s Right Reaction videos on the ‘Cathedral’?”

I’m gonna allude to the “Cathedral” further on in the conversation. In these he gives a possibly winning strategy of us gaining some sort of power. Now I can review some of those.

Nick Griffin: If you could paraphrase what that is, I’d be interested.

Simon: Well, part of it is what Ralph is doing is he’s working out all the seats — there’s 650 seats in Great Britain, in Northern Ireland. And obviously, you know, the East End of London which is all Muslim, or parts of Birmingham are of no interest to fighting. So what he’s trying to do is target particular areas where campaigning, … firstly community building, and secondly political campaigning would be worth a new nationalist parties while.

Now I would also add to that, that there’s been a sea change in the last election. And between now and the next election is a crucial point in time. I wouldn’t put it off 10, 20 years. I think that we should be considering the next election, because the loss of the “Red Wall”. Labour’s red wall to the Conservatives in the last election is a very significant political move, particularly in England. Because these people in the north of England realize that the party are traitors to the White working-class and are much more interested in minorities, Muslims, and the whole LGBT thing. It bears no relation to them. And they voted Tory, but they’re not loyal to Tories. They’re still working class in ethos. And this provides an opening for any nationalist party that comes along. Which I don’t think the BNP had in its day. I don’t know what you think about that?

[45:06]

Nick Griffin: Yeah, well we certainly have the opening that there is potentially now. That’s entirely true. But we had a hard core of people who were very well trained in electioneering, and who were based in those communities as local adults. And who were prepared to stand up in their own area, with a long history of doing so. And that doesn’t exist at present.

There is no possibility, especially with middle-class kids from London, of suddenly going to the people and building that sort of base! And if you attempted to, one, people follow people rather like themselves, just slightly higher up the social scale, and from their own area. And you can’t bring in “outsiders” in this way.

And if there are some decent young lads in places like Batley* and Halifax, and so on, fairplay. But they will come up again to what I said earlier. They’ll come up against the Labour Party, deeply entrenched, with heavies! And they’ll pay money to get rid of any threat, because it’s not, as I said before, it’s not just a threat to their ideology, to their politics, it’s a threat to their business base.

[* Batley is a market town in the Metropolitan Borough of Kirklees, West Yorkshire, England]

And you have no, … I don’t think people haven’t been there, you have no conception of how hard those people will fight! And how effective their fighting is! And if Boris and Co let down the working class, which, of course, they will, then rather than turning to the nationalists, they will give Keir Starmer and the “New Labour” Party a second chance. Because, “Oh Corbyn“, … and I’m sure that people like Allison Chabloz and yourself, you understand the way in which Corbyn was crucified, not for his economic views, but overwhelmingly, because of his position on the zionist, Israeli, etc., etc., thing.

So in the next election if the White working-class want to the revolt against Boris and Co they will do so overwhelmingly by going back to the Labour Party! And the Labour Party will put a little bit of their craziest LGBT+ poison under wraps. And that’s it! That’s another five years wasted. And it’s the cycle that’s going around, and again, and again, and again!

I’d like to raise one thing. You said, your commentator there on the chat;

“Why does the New Green take out parish councils?”

Absolutely! And the key thing on parish councils, and the reason that the BNP has lost every single one of the counselors it used to have, in terms of districts and above. The ones where people get paid a salary, so it’s a business if you’re in the Labor Party, or the Lib Dems. They lost all of those. But they control an entire town council, wrecked as the BNP is, it still controls, or it’s taken control of an entire town council, Parish Council in effect, in Essex. Because where there’s no money in it, the other parties aren’t interested. And that is the point at which you can indeed do local community building, if you get in at that level. So that’s entirely a different matter because it is not really electioneering at all.

But I would still, if you want to do something to sink roots in a local area, you can in an election, in a general election, the one you’re talking about Simon, five years time. You’d need to spend at least five thousand pounds in that constituency to really start to have any kind of impact at all. So you can do that and get seven percent of the vote if you’re very lucky! More likely 1.7 percent, but that’s by the by. And unless you get more votes than anybody else, plus one, you certainly are not going to win. There’s no prizes for coming second in British parliamentary elections.

Instead of that you could put that five thousand pounds, and hundreds, and hundreds, of man-hours — thousands of man-hours if you’re doing a proper job — you could put that into setting up a local charity shop where people who are locally minded and patriotic, the Brexiters, and the ones who don’t like the groomers and all the rest of it. They can understand what the shops doing, it’s only helping local people. And you could set that shop up, you could fund it. put volunteers in it, you could make it work.

Again, this isn’t something just off the top of my head. I was in just such a shop in a small Loyalist town in Northern Ireland a few weeks ago. Where in the high street, … Of course, the high street’s been knackered by all the big supermarket chains, and so on. So most of the shops that aren’t estate agents are charity shops. And there’s one for Oxfam, and there’s one for the British Heart Foundation, and there’s one for some mission in Africa. And there’s one just for the locals.

And there’s a couple of old ladies there manning the shop and people bring their goods in and they buy and sell, like all the other charity shops. At the back of the charity shop there’s a gym! And that’s where all the youngsters go to get them off the streets, so the old ones were a bit nervous about youngsters on the streets, they’re happy, and the parents are happy, and the young lads are happy. And they’re in their boxing, and doing arts classes. And that was set up with far less money then would be thrown at trying to contest a parliamentary seat in that constituency, and losing!

[50:17]

Simon: But is it necessarily an either/or? Can’t you do these two things parallel? And secondly, if you’re talking about Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland hasn’t been quite as enriched as large parts of Britain have. So charity shops and community activities in anywhere within a reasonably large racial, or minority community, “minority” in inverted commas community would come under attack from the minorities and from the Left. And the Left, I imagine the Left would actually travel even if it was outside an urban area, would actually travel to cause trouble in that kind of, …

Nick Griffin: They probably would.

Simon: And I wouldn’t say it’s a bad idea, but what I’m saying is that we have to keep lots of options open. And the policies have to go in parallel. Because the big problem with the current liberal system, I personally don’t think the liberal system is going to collapse. What the liberal system is going to do, capitalism isn’t finished. The results of coronavirus are going to be a change in paradigm, and we’re going to move away from paper money, and it’s blockchain and crypto currency.

But, they will keep, the powers that be, will keep the cattle spending and living their miserable, soap-opera, materialistic lives, And, you know, they’re not going to bring about the disaster, because their well-being depends on everybody being consumers. But the big problem with the system that we live in is its completely counter to science. And more and more people are waking up to this transgender lunacy.

There are two things that the current liberal, social justice, ideology counters and one is racial reality, and sexual reality. We are different races. Everybody knows this! This is a difficult subject to broach. But if you live amongst people of other races, you know, this! And we are two different genders!

And you brought up earlier the idea of Labour taking back working class votes. Are Labour really, with David Lammy as it’s future foreign minister? I find that difficult to believe. A clean-cut, well presented, polite, educated, vanguard of young men — of which there are plenty — in the, well not plenty yet, of which there are growing numbers within the Patriotic Alternative ambiance, could definitely make an impact. I don’t think you can give up on this option, because giving up on this option is basically saying to young people, … there are fifteen-year-old kids — I actually didn’t go to the conference — but there’s a fifteen-year-old boy called Barkley, who’s in one of the chats, and there’s a another young guy called Harry. These young people need a future, and need to have hope! And it’s very, very difficult for them. I’m a year younger than you Nick. We’ve lived the best of our lives, so we can wax lyrical. But I’ve got a 25 year old daughter. I don’t, I simply don’t want to give up on this!

And also looking at the situation in Spain. Politics can change extremely quickly, admittedly in a proportional representation system. But a year ago, Vox — whatever you think about them, however much (((kosherness))) they’ve got within them — went from nothing, to now 52 seats in the Spanish Congress! Things can turn around very, very quickly! And of those 52 seats — obviously every party is a complicated thing — but I think there are based and very true nationalists amongst the Vox ranks. Obviously not all of them, because this is politics. I don’t see why this can’t happen in Britain and many other European countries as well.

[54:43]

Nick Griffin: Well, in Britain, there’s a number of points you’ve raised there. I made a few notes, and I’ll try to get through them quickly.

As you say, in Spain there’s a PR system, in Britain there’s not. And that makes a huge difference to what can be done! You say that the Liberal system isn’t going to collapse I quite agree. I didn’t say the “liberal system” is going to collapse, I said “liberalism” is going to collapse. That soft, pappy, surrender mentality. That’s going to collapse, and that sort of splits two ways. The people running the liberal system, again will abandon all pretense of liberalism, and will become an openly naked totalitarian liberalism, without a shadow of doubt.

And I’m saying that after the shit really has hit the fan, then the liberalism within our people is also is simply going to evaporate! That’s not saying the liberal system he’s going to collapse. There’ll be a vacuum. There won’t be a vacuum there’s a totalitarian regime and there’s a people who hate what’s going on.

Now you say that, if for instance, there was a charity shop, the Left, or the immigrants would attack it. Well if it had BNP over the door, or Patriotic Alternative, over the door, which it’s highly likely they would. There’s a bit of a “so what” about that, but I’m not saying that most of these things should be done under the name of any organisation. And, in fact, if I say that some people don’t want to come out under their own names as backing a political party, I think everyone accepts that is unfortunately the case. Then, if you have a much more diffused, broad-based, resistance, where there’s a thousand and one different things going on, then many people can do those different things in that own area, under their own name. And there is no need to connect it to a political party.

But if you are worried about the Left coming and attacking shops, or attacking something, then you have to accept that they won’t just attack shops. If a political party raises up and starts contesting elections, they will also come out on the streets and beat the crap out of their activists! That’s what happens. And the police will turn a blind eye, unless the nationalist organize to defend themselves, let alone carry some kind of makeshift weapon. In which case, they’re going down! They’re going to prison for a very long time! Because the state, the police, and the far left work together in all these things.

So yes, whatever we do, whatever these young men do, if it’s anything effective, the left is going to attack them! You can’t get away from that!

I think the key difference is if the Left come and attack a political party, a political meeting of political activists, or activists on the street, they’re not attacking the local people. They’re attacking — what the public seen is one bunch of political people attacking another bunch of political people. And either the Right, the nationalists get the crap beaten out of them, or they fight back, and then they become thugs! So really, that’s a lose-lose situation.

But if there’s a shop, some kind of charity operation, something providing amenities for local White working-class youngsters, and the Left come and attack that, then they’re not just attacking the people running that operation, they are attacking the whole community. At which point, I guarantee with any White working-class community in Britain it’s the Left that get the shit kicked out of them! Not by activists, but just by ordinary people. And I would regard that as a far, far, better thing.

And I’ve come back again. The problem you asked, is it really a matter of either/or? Can’t we do both? I would say the there’s only been one proper “Vanguard” party in British politics in recent history, and that is the Socialist Workers Party. And the experience the Socialist Workers Party was that you cannot build a vanguard party in their kind of community in the universities, and so on, and fight elections at the same time. And that’s even more so for a nationalist party which is under so much more pressure than the SWP ever would [be].

You have to make a choice! And you say:

“Don’t these young men deserve hope and all the rest of it?”

I’d say absolutely! But not false hope! It’s so irresponsible to sell false hope to people! And the electoral road is a false hope!

When there’s so many good things, you know, food banks, homeschooling, the Ulster bands, the Gaelic Athletic Association, an indigenous scouts group. You look at, you imagine yourself — okay this isn’t perhaps relevant to these younger ones are these now. But perhaps they’ve got younger brothers, or the slightly older ones, they’ve started to think about having kids and they look at how the young boys in the liberal society are brought up with the LGBT and all the rest of the poison thrust down their throats. So, organizations that used to be really important, that were part of the rites of passage, and the character building, and the education in a broad cultural sense of young White men in countries like Britain, is now, it’s absolute poison!

So we have to start to create our alternative structures. So an alternative Scouts for the indigenous. And they would need what to get that going? They’re need some simple uniform, they need some badges, you know, that each of the things that they pass. You know, whether it’s surviving a night out in the wild, or a basic grasp of British history, or air rifle marksmanship, whatever you decide to give them. Then the nationalist party should put some money into producing a ready-made, off-the-shelf, indigenous scout group.

[60:12]

And it doesn’t really matter how many young people go through that, because the parents who don’t put their young people through things like that, who don’t involve them in the nationalist movement, in its broadest sense, they and their offspring are going to vanish in the next forty years, because they’ll be lost to homosexuality, they’ll be lost to race-mixing, they’ll be lost to hopelessness, drugs, and suicide!

It’s only the tiny minority who start to do the right thing for themselves and for their families who will act as a beacon to attract other people who want to survive, to go and to get in with them.

And it doesn’t really matter how big that group is, or how small, that is the only group which is going to pass on its, our views, and our culture, and our identity, along through the generations. So, got to get on with that! And if you go in for the electioneering you simply dilute that and give people false hope. It’s a disaster not waiting to happen, it’s happening right now!

As I say, if Mark Collett is already quite close. He backtracked after I issued that audio recording of there’s no electoral road, he backtracked quite a lot. And saying:

“Yeah, well, we’re not really doing it now, and we’re doing lots of other things as well.”

Good! So I’m pushing here. And I’m gonna keep on pushing him to backtrack even further. And the minute he says:

“I accept there’s no electoral road and there’s so many other really good things we can be doing.”

Then he’ll have my support.

If he carries on telling people there is some electoral road, then while I know that many people have perhaps him and yourself Simon, I know you sincerely believe it, but it’s so wrong I will fight it tooth and nail until you see sense!

[61:59]

Simon: Horus?

Horus: I think there is a strong case to be made against the argument that there’s an electoral roads of power. I mean, in my wildest dreams there is such a route. But, and I would like to be Home Secretary! [chuckling] But I do think that, I mean, my own propaganda, if you could call it that, aims to attack what I call the “phony Right“. And I do think that we can have a role in helping to break apart the existing ruling class.

And unforeseen possibilities may emerge from that. I suppose this sounds rather wishful, you know, I’m hoping that fortune will deliver us opportunities. but, on the other hand, I would assume you wouldn’t rule out unforeseen circumstances, giving us opportunities that we can’t see now. What do you think of that?

Nick Griffin: Yeah, unforeseen circumstances, Covid 19 is one. A moderately nasty flu virus which for reasons which we haven’t got time to go into now has been promoted by the establishments of virtually the entire Western world, as some kind of catastrophic plague, which must be fought at the cost of almost totally destroying our economy!

Now, the impact that is not going to go away. And you talk about unforeseen circumstances, … if you saw in the papers yesterday little mention of the fact that all the church plates of the ancient historic silver of every Church in London has just been moved to the Tower of London for safekeeping, because they fear a massive looting spree! So they’re not thinking like Brixton riots, or the London riots of 2012, they’re thinking of a massive looting spree across the whole of the capital, where churches are looted as a matter of routine. So obviously, I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but I’m saying that even our pathetic elite, and even more pathetic police force, have realized that the destabilizing possibilities of what they’re doing under the guise of fighting a flu virus, are such that it could create absolute mayhem!

So yeah, there probably will be at some stage there’ll be more unforeseen circumstances, things happening. But you’ve got to assume that sort of accelerates the problems. And if you’re talking about coming to power, either through elections, or just through physical numbers, then it has to be, because some sort of crisis has really struck and relations between the different ethnic groups have collapsed into real bitter hatreds. And all of a sudden our people are forced onto one side and they’re all standing together. And at that point you’re in a civil war sort of position. And all our people won’t be standing together. Large sections of the left, a huge number of people will stand with them, not with us! And anyone doesn’t believe that needs to look at the way in which even lefty feminists, last year and the year before, was siding with rapists — to stop them being deported back to Afghanistan!

[65:07]

So the left will stand with them. When push comes to shove and there’s lots of violence, and believe you me that the sections of the immigrant community, sections of those communities, are far more violence than our people are. When they become violent and their numbers really start the show on the streets, and if White people came out on the streets, they’ll mostly be the football alliance type, 55, 60, year old, superannuated football hooligans, beer-bellied, unfit, and basically useless. And they’ll see those up against 20 year-old, fit, hard, young Pakistanis with radical Muslim leadership.

When people see what happens, which if it happens, not going to be:

“Oh, we’ll kick their asses!”

It’s going to be White people getting killed by the hundreds at the very least! When people see that, huge numbers will run and hide to will get away from it, and significant numbers will go and join the Muslims, because people join strength, and they join what they think are going to be the winners.

If the trouble really starts, it doesn’t create an opportunity for our people, it creates serious deaths amongst our people, surrender and cowardice!

So I hope that doesn’t happen. Because our people, if that happened tomorrow we would lose! As simple as that! And again, I’m afraid anyone who says otherwise is either totally out of touch with the reality of communal violence, or they’re just a braggart.

I’ve seen communal violence close up in the Brixton riots. I’ve seen it in Northern Ireland. And I can assure you that the British people are not, except for Ulster, the British people have not got the stomach, the backbone, or the organizational will, or experience, to win communal violence for control of our country even now, let alone in another 10 years time when the demographics are even worse!

As I said, there will come a time when once liberalism is beaten out of them, there will come a time when our people will be able to fight and they will win. But that time is not now! So therefore we need to set about doing something for the hearts and minds of a young generation to see them through the time of surrender and cowardice and out through to the other side.

[67:19]

Horus: The one thought that remains with me then, is let’s assume that we do get reduced to goodness knows, 40, 30, 20, percent of the population — we’ve no idea really how things are going to turn out, but we’re heading in that direction. Do you not expect that the government will become even more tyrannically anti-White and anti-British than it is now, and could actually not pursue a policy of full extermination, but try to crush us into, you know, atoms in every way it can?

Nick Griffin: Yes! Absolutely! And again I come back to the question, the analogy, or the contrast between how an attack on a local charity would be received by ordinary people compared to an attack on a political party. And the more pressure your communities under, the more it will be inclined to unite. And, so, yes, we’ll be under immense pressure! But what does that do? You look at the situation in Ireland, where 800 years of at times of literally genocidal violence against the Irish people by the forces of the English elites, whatever you want to call it, by the Brits, as they call it. The more genocidal they got, the more it produced resistance. and that’s what I see, you’re absolutely right!

As we become a minority, first of all we’re already abused and treated with contempt and we’re still a majority! As we become a minority the burdens, the tax burdens falling upon the working, constructive people, overwhelmingly still ours, will become unbearable! And at the same time, the violence against them and the violence used against anyone who resists, will become immense.

But there again, there’s a difference. As I said, before, because capitalism needs mass immigration now just to survive, anyone who tries to fight that politically is going to be crushed. People who fight it by organizing a club for ten, or twelve year olds, who learn to shoot air rifles, and then go out and shoot grey squirrels on behalf of the red squirrels [Horus sounding amused], the media might laugh about it, and the Left will say:

“All this is paramilitary retraining!”

That’s not going to be treated as seriously as a political party trying to stop all of this. And it will tend to go underneath the radar, and it’s far, far, more useful to the young people involved in that, than telling them:

“You needn’t worry about your future, because some stage in the future, someone will wave a magic electoral wand and everyone’s going to put it right!”

[70:01]

Horus: Yeah. Do you reject the idea that some people propose, I mean, it’s not even a proposal really. I think it’s really quiet a wild flailing resort. But some people think that there’ll be a sort of a readout established in the most relatively pro-White parts of Eastern Europe. Because I think that that sort of quasi solution sounds completely useless, because Hungary, Poland so and they were only going to allow a few of us to move there before it starts, you know, ruining things for them. Are you aware of this?

Nick Griffin: Yes, I’m aware of it. I’m banned from Hungary myself. [slight chuckle] But I’m aware of it. I think that there would only ever be a small minority who would be prepared to leave their homeland, unless they’re absolutely forced to as refugees in just what they stand up in. But I think it has a very important role to play for the whole of Western Europe. And one possible scenario, … There’s are really only two possible scenarios. We either decline into minority status along the bumbling road we’ve been on thus far, in which unless you happen to have your daughter being gang-raped by the usual suspects, then really, it’s not too bad and you can move away from it a little bit. You can sort of muddle through.

So, we go through that process until we’re a minority, and then things get worse. Or it happens in a sudden lurch with real communal violence. And if that happens quite significant numbers of people will end up abroad. And at that point, but people say they are running away.

Now if they run away and they’re not kept in touch with by some kind of emigre association, the sort of thing which a political party should be putting effort into, rather than trying to fight elections that it cannot possibly win, then at that point an emigre community becomes very valuable.

So large numbers of Irish people went to the United States and Shin Fein, IRA, could not run their very effective campaign of a combination of violence and politics, if it hadn’t been for the vast amounts of money coming in from the Irish community in the United States. And if it hadn’t been for the practical support they got there.

And whether you’re talking about completely, totally, peaceful approaches — things such as that is just this broadcast — once this is banned in Britain, when at some stage in the future it would be, I’ve no doubt at all, then not everyone has to move to Hungary, or Poland to be able to make broadcasts like this, and to get them back into Britain. So, bases abroad in Eastern Europe I think, it will be a redoubt for the resistance leadership right the way across Western Europe as we become a minority. Even if things remain basically peaceful.

And if violence is forced upon us, and there’s some very powerful groups out there not least the zionists and also the Islamist crazies, they want violence as well all over Europe. So they’re quite likely to get it. And if it become as a question of violence, then the idea that you can win a violent struggle, or even carry out a violent struggle in Britain, or France, or Germany, without having safe bases where people recuperate, where they can be trained, where they can learn what to do, and so on, it’s a nonsense. And that will surely only be Eastern Europe.

So I think that having some people in East Eastern Europe, whether we carry on along a peaceful road that we all want, or whether we’re forced onto a violent road, doesn’t matter which it is, we one day will be very, very grateful for those emigres in the East. But it’s not enough for everyone to go there, because the struggle for Britain is in Britain! The struggle for France is in France! The struggle for Spain will be in Spain, and so on.

[74:02]

Simon: Can I come back on? Given that I’m broadcasting from abroad and I’m an émigré! And just let me know when you need need to go, because I kind of expected us to go overtime, really. I think all of us are fully aware of the difficulty of the situation. And I mean, what I think needs to happen, there needs to be a change in the kind of cultural zeitgeist, the cultural identity of White Europeans, be they English, French. Where there’s a small group of us who are aware of who our race is.

One of the reasons why I’m not as, I don’t want to use the word negative, or pessimistic, but I think, you know what I mean, is that I’m a relatively recent convert, you know, this.

Nick Griffin: Yeah.

Simon: And yes, I now form part of what is a “vanguard“. But I lived through the whole of my life as what I’ve come to term a “default liberal“, a “default lefty“.

And it was when I saw, … it was actually a very clear moment, and I’ll explain it very quickly. I had been visiting the cathedral in a town in central Catalonia called Manresa. And it was kind of beautiful medieval architecture. And we were deciding whether to go and visit the cave where Ignatius of Loyola founded the Jesuits, or go for a beer. And me and the missus decided to go for a beer. And we took some steps down behind the cathedral, because I know in these Catalan towns, I know where to find a good bar! And instead of finding a good bar, we came across a Muslim ghetto.

And for me the contrast — this was summer of 2015 — and for me though the contrast was so, …! That’s when I woke up! That’s when I realized that the invasion was happening. Now, I think lots and lots of people are going to go through this. And obviously, I’m not in there in Britain, so I can’t perceive, I only perceive secondhand from other PA friends, Patriotic Alternative friends, what’s going on. But I can see this — you talked about Western Europe — I can see this happening in Spain.

Spain has an old, very established Right, they’ve talked about, people still talk about the two Spain’s, the Republican Spain and the Nationalist Spain from the Spanish Civil War, the Francoist Spain. This isn’t dead! And the younger generation have been completely cucked, completely brainwashed, very, very quickly! But given that it’s happened so quickly, there’s a resistance that’s never gone away. All they have to do, really, is fully wake up. And not all of them are as clued in on many of the issues as we are, but they definitely are nationalists, and there they will oppose the immigration, and that they will react! I personally don’t see why a similar class of people — as both of you live in Britain — why a similar reaction can’t take place in Great Britain.

[77:27]

Nick Griffin: Oh I think you’re right. There is potentially a big difference between Spain and perhaps also Italy, and the nations in northwestern Europe. And the key difference is that if you went back even 20 years, perhaps even 10 years, effectively there weren’t any of the others in any significant numbers at all in Spain, or Italy. They haven’t sunk roots there. Most of Spain’s immigrants are rather badly behaved South America mestizos. That’s not the same as the Africans now coming in, as the Muslims with a hard core Islamist agenda at the very core, not of all of them, at the core of their community — thanks mainly to Saudi money and the treachery of the world’s [words unclear] elites and the (((people))) who opened the gates of Toledo, and the (((people))) who still don’t still open the gates.

But Spain is different. They haven’t been there very long, so it makes it, potentially, that if push comes to shove and things start to get nasty, they’ll simply leave.

The question of Britain, Germany, places like this, it’s completely different! You are dealing with people who’ve been here, in many cases three generations. They do feel that they belong here, and whether they do, or not, that’s how they feel. And you’re not going to move them. And they’re far better organized and more deep-rooted. And they would fight to keep their communities, and the Brits would run a mile from what they saw as a result.

You said Simon you’ve been involved a few years. So I’m not pulling rank here, it’s just a fact. I joined the National Front at the age of 15, in 1974. I have been active basically ever since, constantly reading, studying, thinking, experiencing things. and I know from having seen two political parties very close up, and UKIP as a sort of an interesting outsider, completely, I know what it takes to build a political party that begins to challenge for power. I can tell you that there’s no possibility on this earth at such a party being built in Britain and getting the experience that becomes effective in less than 10 years! By which stage, it’s not in, … the key flaw to the electoral alternative is this. Let’s come to the very core of it! It’s when the Patriotic Alternative position is that will still be the majority until 2066. We still got time to turn things around.

It’s a sort of, I use the term in my monologue on this Democratic fetishism. It’s saying that one vote is the same as any other vote when it comes to determining the future of a nation. And it might be true in votes. But it’s not true in people! Because in 10 years time the average Brit will be age what in terms of vast numbers? Sixty? Real Brit. And the average young Muslim, or young African, will be aged about 20!

And deciding who’s gonna rule a country is not about votes in the end, it’s about physical force! It’s about who, when push comes to shove, controls the streets, who frightens the elite most, if the elites neutral? Who frightens the police? Because the police always back the side which is most noisy, most violent, and giving the most trouble. And they squish the other side. And in ten years time there is no doubt about it, that the streets of Britain will be run by young Muslims and blacks who converted to Islam, as the best way of hitting back at the hated White man!

And there’s no possibility of anything other than that happening! It’s already in the demographics! It’s already happening. You look at the schools, and you look at the old people’s homes. And that’s what’s going to happen in Britain. There’s no way around it! So stop! Please people! Stop the electoral business, and get on we’re building a political movement which can organize our people to be a really effective force as they become a minority! So that even though with a minority, we are the minority who dominate this country, and decide what it’s future is.

So you have to understand the minority that really rules Britain at present. You can’t run away from that. You can’t go down the Anne Marie Waters’ [For Britain Movement] even worse fantasy politics line, and saying:

“Well, I want Britain to remain a majority, but we’re not going to force anybody out. It will happen somehow.”

You can’t do that, but neither can you pretend that there’s any political solution to the problem that we are now in!

[82:07]

Simon: I beg to differ! I think, again looking at the way that the way Britain is organized, although White people will become a minority ultimately in the country. [Only if present trends continue, etc.] There will be large areas, a little bit like in the United States, the difference between the largely diverse and liberal major cities and the, … the blue liberal major cities with large minority populations and the red countryside. Surely this is what’s going to happen in Britain?

And so London, Manchester, Birmingham, the various major cities, will become completely dominated by people of other races as White flight continues. But that equally means that White people do have a bolt hole, and the divisions between the two communities — I don’t like the word “communities” — but the insiders, the indigenous British and the foreigners, the contrast will become greater over a period of time.

Nick Griffin: Yup.

Simon: And even more so as the countryside becomes Whiter, because also what will happen as things racinate, as this division grows, people of different ethnicities will be less, and less, welcome amongst White communities. So the divisions will be very, very clear. That means that in certain areas, and as things get worse, in certain areas certain people will be very aware of how bad things are. At the moment one of the problems is that people in majority White areas don’t know what Birmingham, or the East End of London, are like. So, I saw you on an interview talking about the air wind mills in Frodsham* as I was researching this program. And Frodsham was where I spent my adolescence.

[*Frodsham Wind Farm is one of England’s largest onshore generating stations, and the largest in the Cheshire region, with an installed capacity of more than 50 MW.]

Now all my family in Frodsham are dreadful lefty liberals! Because they’ve only seen the one nice black man who runs the sweet shop. They’ve got no real idea of what the hell-holes that certain parts of Britain have already become. But as things move into the future the understanding of those differences will be greater. And those White areas will become more racinated, so more fertile ground for a pro-White nationalist party than they were in your day.

[85:11]

Nick Griffin: I’d say, in fact, that, I live in Shropshire* now, and rather than people not understanding how bad things are, they understand exactly how bad things are! Even in a small village there’s a number of Brahmins, black country people, Londoners here, precisely because they know how bad it is. And they tell their neighbors, and their neighbors do go shopping in Telford, and so on. They know exactly how bad it is. They don’t need convincing it’s bad, they need convincing that there’s some kind of hope!

[* Shropshire County is located in central England midway between the city of Birmingham and the Welsh Border.]

And the hope has to be winning victories, and doing things that are worthwhile. Again it comes down to [word unclear] elections. I’m working on an unplugged computer and I’m quite low now on my battery charge. So not only have I got to go, but I’m also going to get cut off fairly soon. But to try and finish this piece off.

Yes, I grew with you entirely that in the more remote and rather more rural parts you will tend to get a certain sort of redoubt mentality, amongst our people. But again, it’s what you do with it. I think there’s a misunderstanding, people think that politics comes out of a ballot box, or out of political power, it doesn’t! Political change is the thing that comes after cultural change. Political change is merely a register, a change that’s already happened in terms of how a population thinks and how it’s organized.

So even if you do want to believe in hope in a political road, before you can think that there’s any chance of winning a political road, you actually have to have really solid communities, and your activists have to be embedded in those communities. Those that people get elected.

So, rather than trying to fight an election and then somehow magically making yourself popular. It’ll be far, far, better if young nationalists take the far easier road, in fact, in terms of not getting themselves sacked from college, or rounded up by the police, and so on, if they get into things like food banks, into helping homeschooling operations, into running events, and a charity, and a club for local youngsters, and so on.

If they get into those things and build a community base, then it’s actually far easier if you do decide that circumstances have radicalized so much that you can actually win a majority in a whole local council, and then use the local council to go up against the state to make a point, which the Labour Party did in the 70s. [Words unclear] haven’t got time to talk about it now, look up Clay Cross, the Labour Party had the whole council which insisted on defying the Tory laws to build more council houses. Made them absolute heroes to their people.

So, if you’ve really built a solid base, and then the opportunity does arise to win a whole council and take control of it, it might be worth doing. What I’m saying is that if people are thinking that’s the way ahead they’ll not put in the work that’s needed to win that community support in the first place. And that is why elections, the fantasy of electoral victory is so dangerous, because it stops people doing not just what we need to do to survive, but also ironically what you need if you were going to win in elections at some later stage in the future.

[88:32]

Simon: Okay. Well I think I’m sure we’ll just discuss this some point in the future.

Nick Griffin: I’m going to go. I think, …

Simon: I know you have to go. So thanks thanks very much for coming on the show. You’ve given me a lot to think about. And yeah, I definitely want to mull this over. And perhaps if you’re still in your flurry of interviews and getting involved again, perhaps you’ll come back and we can have a second go. I might have changed my opinion. But I don’t definitely want to look more closely into this. And I agree with you. I think you’ve come up with, … I mean, a lot of the ideas are very valid. I’m just loath to close the electoral route.

Nick Griffin: I can understand that! I appreciate your time, Simon and Horus, also your listeners. And I’ll look forward to hearing to what the response is. Do keep on mulling it over, and I’d be delighted to come back, either to carry on this discussion, or, we haven’t even discussed coronavirus which is a huge unexpected circumstance. And that’s not, that thing and problem isn’t going to go away, so happy to come back and discuss that, or whatever questions your listeners want to hear answers. So, again Simon, Horus, thank you very much! I’ll speak to you again, I hope fairly soon.

[89:52]

Horus: Thanks very much.

Simon: Look after yourself.

Nick Griffin: Bye.

Horus: If Nick was staying for a few more minutes what I would have picked up on, one of the things he said near the end which was that political change follows cultural change, which I think most people would agree with. What has given me optimism in the last, maybe six months, is that there does feels like — you can never really tell — but it feels like there is quite a rapid cultural change taking place. I think you were alluding to that earlier as well.

One thing I think Unwashed has been brilliant at the last few months is just his clear focus on destroying “the fence“, i.e., the deliberate, absolutely sometimes like quite obnoxious, and polarization, just forcing people to say:

“Do you want our country destroyed, or not? Take a goddamn side and stop being a goddamn coward!”

And things like that, I believe are almost infinitely profitable, I mean, up to a point! I suppose that’s not infinite, … There’s a huge amount of profit in power terms, to be had from fighting a cultural war in that sense. And especially in fighting the “phony Right“.

And when we talk about places, I mean, you were saying that countryside obviously becomes ever more important to us, and the sad thing about the countryside at the moment is they just absolutely, routinely, vote Tory! And the Tories obviously are the ones who are importing all these Somalians and Afghans, and so on!

If we can, and I know it’s the tallest order in the world, but if we can break the Tory party apart, and destroy that option, remove that option from them, or just make it 10 times harder to just routinely turn up at the ballot box and always take blue, you could suddenly find mainly places like Huntingshire, or Shropshire wanting an alternative! It doesn’t have to be PA.

I mean, maybe PA just doesn’t have the resources to have a presence in every part of the country. Certainly not yet. But, a Patriotic Alternative but with small P, small A, is it going to come into demand. Which is why — I know I’m bored about this — but I return again, and again, again, to just saying that my aim is to destroy the Tories! To destroy the phony Right! And especially to destroy the Left of the Tories, who always control the party. And I just see so many opportunities would open up if we could just get rid of these phony conservatives!

And this is why, I have that series of videos I started with called “The Infolding of the Right“. Was just to say:

“We are ruled by people who call themselves conservatives, but who make common cause with the Left!”

I know it’s not all about, you know, not everything bad that happens is because of Marxism, and so on. That would be deluded! But there is a huge amount to be gained from making people realize that the Tories are the ones with their hands around our throats!

And the more people where we can just force to abandon them, conceptually I’m saying, by arguments, really. And by rancor, and by clamor! Or just by any agitation we can affect whatsoever against the phony right! I just see this so much to be gained for it! This is sort of what I was alluding to when I said “unforeseen circumstances“. Yeah for, suppose things like Coronavirus, but also just some kind of accident by the Tories, that gives some opening! Just to say:

“Look!”

You know, it’s really hard to say exactly what form that will come in. But I mean, do you get what I’m saying here?

Simon: Yeah. We didn’t know about Coronavirus, either, did we? And he was saying that people these people will go back and vote Labour. I don’t think they will. Some will, but Labour has become more, and more, ridiculous. I mean, I’ll be honest with you, … I really was a big deal new PS we’ve been in labor.

Horus: It really was a big deal for them to abandon Labour. It was really was a big deal! But some will slide back!

[94:11]

Simon: And so I mean, if UKIP was still a feasible force UKIP would being able to fill that void. I hope it is Patriotic Alternative, because that’s the policy I’m kind of loosely associated with. But I think they’s still an open opening. I feel a little bit kind of punch-drunk out of that! People in the chat was saying we should get Ralph on. The lack of regular debating, ….

Horus: Should have got Nick on. Ralph has got a channel. Ralph should get Nick on. That could be really interesting. I’d be watching that.

Simon: Yeah, said he was advised against it. I’m gonna listen back to this video. And I think he put his case better than he did here, than he did either in his audio, or in the interview that he did with Jake’s, which it which have been the two sources I’ve kind of listened to quite a lot in order to kind of work out some arguments against him.

And the thing about him is, because he’s got his experience in politics, he’s got this ability to hold the floor for quite a long turn. And by the time he’s been there for, you know, a couple of minutes, normally he’s got so many points in that it’s difficult to know where to attack. He’s got three, or four, five, or six, under the net and you could actually only deal with one. And the next time you give him a turn he’s got you again! So, I mean, this is something I definitely like to practice. I don’t think it was a total defeat. I mean, I disagree with him. I think there is an argument there.

Horus: I absolutely don’t want it to be [word unclear].

Simon: Yeah in a very difficult situation. And I think a lot of his suggestions about community building are very valid.

Horus: And Mark agrees, right? And Mark, Laura and most of us, pretty much all of us, fully agree with that.

Simon: Yeah. But I think that’s saying that there’s no chance for the electoral route, I just think that’s unwise. Even though, it’s a burnout, even though he’s got got experience of it. Effectively what happened with the National Front and then the BNP, is they lost a battle in 2014, really. Nick lost the leadership of the BNP in 2014.

But that last term in the European Parliament was quite difficult for them and their numbers were diminishing. So they lost a battle. I don’t want to say that we’ve lost the war, electorally I think we need to stay in there. And ideas like the idea from White is the New Green, getting into parish councils. I don’t think there’s one strategy. And you and I are certainly aren’t the people that are in control of this. But all the strategies need to be studied. And it’s a door that I’m unwilling to close personally.

[97:54]

Horus: One thing I would say, I meant to say this when he was on, was that, if he’s saying commit a hundred percent of effort and resources to “community building“, to use that term, I would say I don’t know how much I have to contribute to that. I mean, maybe I could adapt to the point where I do. But I am like an exceedingly politically minded person, which is what makes me emotionally want to reject what you’re saying. You know, logic aside. And obviously logic should be the main thing. I strain in personality terms against what he’s saying, because I always think about political change, every day! Like all day, every day! this is kind of dweepy! The idea of not trying to combat our enemies, … so all I’m doing really is confessing a limitation of my personality, I suppose. But I, so maybe that’s a bit lame!

Simon: Let’s do some Superchats, because I imagine these people want the Superchats to be read out, whilst Nick was on the show. But as you can see folks, he could only be here for an hour and I managed to keep him here for an hour and a half. So I didn’t do a bad job! I knew I wanted to keep him around longer than an hour, because we’d inevitably have more to talk about. I don’t think, … I think you got value for money on this, personally! But the first, …

Horus: And we put the most challenging questions that we could, but he’s quite, you know, he’s quite weighty. He knows his argument really well.

Simon: And he’s got a lot of experience at a very, very, high level of politics, which you and I don’t. I’m sure people will give us feedback, when we go into, …

Horus: One person in the chat just said:

“Horus is useless!”

And that was his comment. I don’t know exactly what prompted that, but fair enough. I try! [chuckling]

[100:05]

Simon: We get all this kind of shit. Anyway. Serena JB sent 5 GB pounds. Thanks Serena:

“As the MSM including the BBC lose an increasing amount of influence does Nick think that movements like PA will gain more popularity and be more difficult to undermine by controlled opposition?”

Unfortunately Nick isn’t here to answer that. I don’t know what he would have said, he would have probably agreed with you, I think. But that that doesn’t mean that he would have agreed with taking an electoral route. He would have agreed that that PA would be more useful building communities, I think. I don’t know what you think about that Horus?

Horus: I do apologize, I was reading the live chat. So could you repeat it please.

Simon: Okay:

“As the MSN including, the BBC, lose an increasing amount of influence, does Nick think that movements like PA will gain more popularity and be more difficult to undermine by controlled opposition?”

Horus: Yeah. It can only help. Yeah. Yeah.

Simon: I think so.

Horus: Also, I’m pleased so far, just since the PA website launched, not more than a bit more than week ago, wasn’t it? There’s been some really good blog posts on there already. Which, you know, can fill some growing part of that gap that the receding of the MSM leaves behind. Like Nativist Concern I think sort of talked down his own writing talents. But yeah cs

Simon: Yeah, I read his article.

Horus: Excellent article. I don’t know why he’s saying he’s not a very good writer. I thought he was surperb. So more of that! Anyone who could contribute that will be helping. I think we will have a some media role to play ourselves. That’s one thing, that’s one really optimistic thing by the younger generation. They don’t look to the same sort of ten newspapers, they will read stuff from all over the place, so.

Simon: Yeah, the media online online, and in real life presence, are all growing. I feel it’s a hive of activity at the moment. Which when I’m not in a discussion like this makes me feel optimistic, perhaps, “muh feelings, muh feelings”.

Horus: No, no, it’s true. I mean, I’ll just say to anyone out there, step forward even if you only got one idea for a video, or an article. If you just do that and then see how you feel afterwards. Because you’ve got new people coming through all the time. Like Renew Britannia, who appeared recently. It’s just really encouraging. It’s great for morale!

Simon: Yeah. I certainly don’t want to you’ve got to be gracious to an excellent guest, because Nick really knows his stuff. But I wonder whether he’s moving. I’m kind of very invigorated by the young people. I’m not dealing with so much, but whose whose behavior I’m observing, you know, in a slightly grandfatherly way, and smiling to myself. I wonder whether Nick is privy to that kind of very White pilling information that we’re seeing on a daily basis.

Horus: About that, I was gonna say as well, there are days where there’s, well maybe that one day in five, one day and ten, when I do feel quite strongly pessimistic. But those are the days when I see our side fighting badly, like ineptly. And, you know, most of time we’re not. So that’s good in itself.

Also what I’m saying is the difference between how I feel roughly accords with how well I think we’re doing our thing, you know, when we’re making excellent points, when we’re going after the right targets with, in a skillful way, then I feel very optimistic. Because it feels like the uncertainty of the situation grows. Nick is arguing for things being very much determined already, and it makes a strong moment for it.

But, I still have doubts about that and those doubts are the source of my optimism. I think no! Things can be changed in unpredictable ways! I struggled to make that point when he was on. But, the more unpredictability we can create, or that we can take advantage of, the more reason there is for optimism. The less things are set out. Sort of like in the Terminator universe!

[104:27]

Simon: Yeah. And a lot of the kind of general groyper battles that are going on, in order to break down that fence between civic nationalists and us. I mean, is having very, a very positive influence. This really is, two years on, three years on, from Charlottesville, this really is a proper “Unite the Right” UK style! Because particularly after Anne Marie Waters disastrous video the other day, people are coming over. We’ve had very, very positive influences. People are knocking at that those Civic gatekeepers. I don’t want to say what (((ethnicity))) they tend to belong to, but very effective work is being done.

And the scales are falling from a lot of people’s eyes. And as people bring over, and again, wanting to be respectful, but the NF and the BNP were very, their image was very grey, I think., you know what I mean, it was grey, it was stern. Whereas the image of what we’re doing now is much more fun, it’s much more irreverent! Yeah, …

Horus: We don’t invite the arseholes anymore!

Simon: Yeah. I mean, Nick is a great person, is a great example to throw out there. I’m talking about Nick Unwashed. He’s kind of got this groovy DJ, … I find it, … We’re great mates I hope you’ll live with this. I find it slightly irritating for my tastes. Yeah, sorry mate!

Horus: It’s chaotic, as well, like where are you going Nick? But! Things are happening, because of it!

Simon: It appeals. Why he’s having such an impact. I think the plurality of what was happening, and again there’s people like you and me. There’s a wide wide age range. You know, I’m 60 years old folks. Obviously I’ve got a different style, and approach, and ability. I have an ability to convince and cajole a different kind of person from the youngsters, the wide variety of people who are involved in this. I think the atmosphere is very positive myself.

Let me do another superchat anyway. The next one is from Johnny Jay, who very kindly since sent a very nice superchat for the Cathedral videos. And this time he sends some 15 US dollars. And he says:

“Nick is making great sense. It could be very effective to compare the coming demographic change to Covid. All agree we acted too slow and too weakly. See what happened. It will be the same here in 10 to 15 years time with demographics. Act now, or regret later! And it will be your kids that suffer.”

Any comment? Yeah I definitely agree mate! But there’s lots of ways of acting. And I think the key contention that we had with Nick, we all agree that plenty of community work needs to be done. What the point we contend with Nick is that the electoral route is closed.

Horus: Yeah. And he made it as explicit as could be. But he is trying to convince us. And he named Mark, you know, he’s trying to convince Mark to completely abandon that. So far that it’s not convinced us. I’d say nearly every argument he made was very forceful. So there’s loads to think about. And like you say, this will probably be worth listening back to and mulling over. And also maybe pausing and thinking, actually if you’d stopped there, I would have responded with this, and so on.

Simon: Yeah.

Horus: So yeah, if we talk to him again we might have a different set of [words unclear].

Simon: We need to get our spurs on this, I think. Yeah we need to cut our teeth. So this in my opinion was a very positive stream. Kind of difficult at times, but definitely worthwhile.

Okay the next one. There’s a few from The Thin Red Line. There’s two from The Thin Red Line. The first one is for ten US dollars. And The Thin Red Line says:

“Nick was a great man once. Now we have heard his opinions, but unless he changes, Nick should be avoided at all costs. And that his Scout ideas are ridiculous! No movement has ever won without believing in victory!”

Now I think that’s what Ralph would say. I think Ralph, if had Ralph been here, and he wasn’t. Ralph would have said that this is very black pilling, and it’s an insult. And I kind of alluded to this. I think Ralph would say that, saying that there’s no chance is black pilling for the younger generation. And it’s basically saying:

“We’ve already lost!”

And that’s the worst message that could possibly be given!

Horus: Arguably, what Nick’s saying isn’t a black pill. It’s kind of a charcoal pill! [chuckling] Like, he’s saying that over, well he named three generations, maybe longer. He’s saying over a much longer term we will reconquer. And, of course, what happened after the Reconquista, Europe took over the whole world. If we are facing a dark time following by followed by, say, even greater dominance of the earth, but one hundred and fifty years from now, or something. Maybe it’s actually just a black coated White pill! But not in our lifetimes, I guess? Does that make sense? [chuckling]

[110:28]

Simon: Yeah. I was guilty of reading questions again, so I wasn’t really listening to you, sorry. We’ve got a few, … So, I’m sure it made sense, mate, definitely!

We got a few questions. Quite a few of them on the questions tab. There’s quite a few from Marty Morosely. They’re all directed at Nick. I can’t really, … Yeah they’re all very specific to Nick, what are his opinions on? We’ll have to have him back and you’ll have to ask these questions next time Marty.

Kermit Zero Twelve says, or zero one, two, I don’t know what it is, says:

“Did you consider emerging technologies such as groyping, targeted leafleting area campaigns, and the Cathedral, in forming your plan? And if you didn’t, then would you consider any of these?”

I think that’s directed to Nick. I don’t think Nick, I think Nick has a different view of the system. It’s probably an easy way of calling it “the system” than the “Cathedral”. I think Nick sees people as being responsible for their actions. I listened back to his Kalergi Plan speech and it’s a little bit like:

“Okay, Kalergi and these people in the EU, and men with small hats in little rooms somewhere dark and dingy, are all planning this to do us.”

And I think Ralph would say, and as I get deeper into the idea of the Cathedral, I think Ralph would say that “it’s the Cathedral”.

The Cathedral is a system in which people occupy roles. And one of the things I would have liked to get into with Nick would be to say:

“Okay the Cathedral is a system, or that the system is a system that can be gained.”

And this is what we’ve talked about in the last two streams. And in the same way that a certain (((tribe))) games the system, and I think there are, I can’t remember what the figure is. I think there are heart to a quarter of a million, half-a-million levantines in the UK? I don’t know well exactly what the figure is.

Horus: Less than 300,000, I think.

Simon: Yeah, okay the number is tiny. But they’ve got 40 MPs! The number of blacks and Muslims is also disproportionate to their numbers within society. The same comes to Indians. We have a virtually Indian cabinet at the moment. When White people become probably racinated, and it doesn’t even have to be all White people become properly racinated, but they start voting for their interest group, for their own group. They start playing identity politics unashamedly, then we can also game the system. And people on our side can definitely wheedle their way into positions of power.

I think the difference between our situation and the BNP is very, very, a relatively full small number of people were racially aware back in the 1990s, 2000s, really. We’ve had 10 years of no nationalist party, and in that time I think the panorama has changed radically and there are a lot of aware people, there are a lot of red pilled people. Partly, because of the changing demographics, but also partly for the existence of the internet. So I think we’re in a very, very different situation now.

[114:31]

Horus: I think the internet changes the whole world. And if we speak to him again, we should ask him how much difference he thinks it makes. Because I sense that he values it a lot less than we do.

Simon: Yeah. I mean, because we’re yeah, he was kind of quite dismissive of internet personalities really. This movement has organized on the Internet and we’ve become friends as a result of the internet. It wouldn’t exist without the Internet. And I think it’s a very, very powerful thing.

Horus: Yeah I do. And I think it gives us possibilities that the NF and the BNP never had.

Simon: Yeah. Okay, we’ve got a final superchat from Johnny Jay again, 15 US dollars. Okay, The Thin Red Line sent another ten US dollars, but it’s the same question. So I’m not going to read it again. So thanks very much for that. Johnny Jay says:

“Simon’s post re future rural race polarization via White flight point about future rural race polarization via White flight in the UK is I think very valid.”

Complicated writing to read here mate!:

“We just need a legitimate political alternative in those increasingly aware and polarized communities.”

I agree there may still be hope and it should be pursued. Thank you, and thanks for supporting me on this. Perhaps I didn’t make it as forcefully as I should have. And thanks for the money, as well.

Horus: Yeah, I agree.

Simon: Okay. Well it’s almost, … I’m kind of just quite tired out by all this. I think we’ve done most of the questions.

Horus: This is the most viewed stream since we started, I think.

Simon: Yeah. I mean, we had a great guest. I think it’s been a very good stream, and thanks to everyone for being here. You know, where to find us I’m gonna try to make, … I’ll mention his name without Horus sending me a superchat this week! I’m gonna be making another Jose Antonio Primavera video later on the week! Something, I told him to get lost! Some cheeky git sent me a comment saying:

“Silence Simon! Please stop! This is a waste of time! Just look at the audience. Nobody wants to hear about this! Your country needs you!”

And I just thought, I called him a cheeky bastard! A cheeky entitled [word unclear]. Who the hell does he think he is? And fortunately I’ve had a few donations as a result of that video. So perhaps it doesn’t get massive audience, but the people that do like it, really like it!

Horus: I think it’s great.

Simon: And I’m kind of doing original researches. And yeah! I’m really into it. Anyway Horus, let’s say goodbye. Are you gonna finally get your video out this week?

Horus: I reckon so, yeah. Like I say I don’t even think this one’s that great. Nothing too exciting.

Simon: But you always say that. And then everybody always loves it.

Horus: I assume, I reckon there’ll be something of value in it. But it’s not gonna be anything exciting, that’s all. I saw, by the way, in the chat Damian sent any questions? You see any more questions in Entropy?

Simon: Well there’s a few. I can’t be bothered with. I will do, JR has sent 3 GB pounds and says:

“Instead of charity shops, book shops, exactly! Books and media are very important things to create.”

And with that folks, I think we’ll say good night to everyone. Hopefully it’s a been an interesting stream. I’ve enjoyed it I feel a little bit punch-drunk at the moment. But definitely learnt a lot and I’ll be listening back to what was spoken. And hopefully we’ll talk to Nick again, because he’s definitely an interesting person and someone with ideas that are definitely worth taking seriously.

Horus: How do you say good night in Catalan?

Simon: Botanique! Yeah, I would say good night to everybody, botanique toton! Botanique toton!

Horus: Cheers everyone. Thanks for watching.

Simon: Look after yourselves.

[119:10]

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White Genocide Explained By Its Architects — TRANSCRIPT

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[This twelve-minute video gives an overview of the statements of various front-men, overwhelmingly jewish, that publicly promote the “unconventional” genocide of Whites. The ongoing genocide is “unconventional” in the sense that it is not being carried out, yet, by outright blood-letting, as in massacres, but instead by stealth, by psychological warfare that has been going on for many generations now. The genocidal program is being carried out by driving White birthrates below replacement levels, through many methods, such as the promotion of selfish individualism, etc,. Organized jewry did major blood-letting through it being the architect of World War I and II, the “Russian Revolution“, and so many other wars.

The psychological warfare inflicted on Whites through long-term jewish control of media, etc., has mentally softened Whites up with feelings of guilt, to the degree that most Whites are willingly surrendering their lands and people to being invaded by the Third World, that given enough time will completely dominate and finally destroy White societies.

The video ends with a psychological call to arms. Whites need to wake the hell up to what is happening to them and identify the enemy, organized jewry. “Yes Virginia, it’s the f*cking jews!“, and do something about it. If we don’t, then we will be destroyed by the “architects” — KATANA.]

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White Genocide

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[00:00]

Rabbi: The Messiah will return only once Edom — Europe, Christianity — will be totally destroyed.

So I ask you: Is it good news that Islam invades Europe? It is excellent news! It means the coming of the Messiah. Excellent news.

Gregor Gysi: There has to be a legal [unbureaucratic] way to get asylum in Europe. Countries like Poland — very Catholic by the way — have to be willing to accept [more] refugees.

Oh, and by the way: Every year more native Germans die than there are born.

That is very fortunate. It’s because the Nazis are not very good at having offspring. This [decline of Germans] is why [we] are so dependent on immigration from foreign countries.

See you at the protest. Goodbye!

David Duke: And communist Jews on the other side, supported Marxism. We knew, …

Alex Jones: So everything is the jews fault? Do you really believe that?

David Duke: It’s not all the Jew’s fault. But you got to understand, they have, they have a complete domination of our media, our academia. They have a complete…

Alex Jones: All right. David Duke, is our guest if you have just tuned in.

Anetta Kahane: And we see this that the history of Europe with this long history of nationalism and small countries is now and it is now getting into a crisis. So immigration is the future! You cannot work and live in a globalized world — in the middle of the world in Europe — without immigration and moving populations.

Male: Guess who’s at it again? [with heavy sarcasm] Those Jews!

Noel Ignatiev: Whiteness is not a culture. It’s not a religion. It’s not a language. It’s simply an oppressive social category. There can be no White race! The task is to bring this minority together in such a way that it makes it impossible for the legacy of Whiteness to continue to reproduce itself.

Stephan Molyneux: And the people, you know, the people who like, “the jews” and, oh my god!

Oh, people! If you don’t, like if you don’t understand IQ and it’s role in society you’re really just flying blind. And I can understand how people could come up with some pretty negative opinions of the jews. But it’s just kind of silly!

And so the idea that there’s some weird conspiracy, it’s just bizarre!

Barbara Spectre: At this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural, and I think we’re gonna be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place.

Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make.

They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.

Pat Condell: Apparently jews are responsible for all kinds of horrible things, including 9/11— that goes without saying — and even the curse of multiculturalism. That’s right! All those jews who are being driven out of Europe by hate filled Muslim immigrants are actually victims of a jewish plot to destabilize the world, so that they can control it, I guess. I don’t know I’m a little light on the details, but then most people are. For Hamas, the enemy is not Israel, the enemy is jews. If you support Hamas you support people who want to exterminate jews, not for being Israelis, but for being jews!

And you support a culture where jew hatred is bred right into the children. I hope you’re proud of yourselves.

Interviewer (male): I can hear people saying:

“Hang on a minute! Our population has increased by two, three, four million since the Eastern Bloc became free. How many more people can a small island take?”

That is the question on many people’s lips.

George Soros: Yes, but you also have a declining birthrate and you need for a flourishing economy, you need some growth and it has to be replaced by migrants from outside. So, they is a need for migrants.

[04:19]

Andrew “Weev” Auerheimer: So we get Jews and they change the immigration policies and they xxx? The Middle East and then they bring these refugees from violent, you know, war ridden places — where they invented the wars in the first place — and they created a very, … They worked very hard, spent a lot of money on creating this very, this viral, a very aggressive Islam. It is really, you know, you look at places the are worn-torn, you look at them in the seventy’s, things weren’t that bad. Iran was liberalized, you know, Syria was beautiful and perfect. And it’s all a plot, they see it as a way, you know, to damage the West and make it more controllable.

You can see it today right now. George Soros was just caught. He was paying the Albanians to set up a color revolution in Macedonia. Like you have this jewish capitalist billionaire and he’s handing out money to people that are trying to overthrow a Christian government. Like this is the reality of Islamic terrorists, that from the very beginning it’s been funded by jewish billionaires!

Gavin McInnes: And as straight man standing here with a gay man, I would just like to say:

“Fuck you, Islam!”

Steve Gutow: There are two issues at the top of our agenda at the very moment. One is the unbelievably important immigration debate in this country. To make sure that immigrants from around the world, particularly those south of our border, have a chance here.

The twelve million or the thirteen million that live here and do work and aren’t really going home, that they have a chance to stay here justly! And as legal immigrants. And that debate is so important, so we have an entire program called “Immigration Nation” and we’re trying to make sure that the jewish community really steps up to the plate and that the xxxx interfaith community.

Infowars interviewer: “England Rising UK” says:

“What is your opinion on jewish influence in the media?”

There it is.

Paul J Watson: There’s the jew question.

Infowars interviewer: Yep. There it sits.

Paul J Watson: People who are obsessed with jews controlling the world, never seem to present any evidence! I mean, I read the news everyday, I track narratives the mainstream media comes out with and I don’t believe in this jewish conspiracy, because nobody presents any real, credible, hardcore evidence that is taking place.

Nick Griffin: The godfather of the European Union, Richard Coudenhove Kalergi published the plan for a united Europe and the ethnocide of the peoples of Europe. The encouragement of mass non-White immigration was central to the plot. Since then an unholy alliance of leftists, capitalists, and Zionist supremacists, have schemed to promote immigration and miscegenation with the deliberate aim of the breeding us out of existence in our own homelands. As indigenous resistance to this human genetic modification industry grows, the criminal elite seeks new ways to camouflage their project.

First their immigrant pawns were “temporary guest workers”. Then it was a “multi-racial experiment”. Then they were “refugees”. Then the answer to a “shrinking population”. Different excuses, different lies! But asylum is just another one!

But the real aim stays the same: The biggest genocide in human history! The “Final Solution” of the “Christian European Problem“!

This crime demands a new set of Nuremberg Trials, and you people will be in the dock!

MEP (female): Mr President, I’m really ashamed of the racist and xenophobic terms that were used by Mr Griffin. And my only question to him is, if he dared to make any concrete suggestions and amendment to the legislation, is your policy serious? Or are you just shouting? And I hope you will not be reelected if you seek reelection, because it’s a shame for this parliament, the kind of a statement you just made.

Nick Griffin: It is you the is shouting, because obviously the truth hurts! Yes, I will be seeking reelection. Yes, I hope to return here to speak up for the indigenous Europeans, which the founder of this place has deliberately set out to wipe out. Because that is a crime! I’m telling the truth.

I have a constructive suggestion to help those poor asylum seekers from Africa. Yes make it clear they can’t come here, so they don’t try to cross the sea and drown in huge numbers! The best way for them is to get the banks off the backs of their countries, so they can live in peace in their countries, and we Europeans can live in peace in ours. Thank you.

[09:09]

News reader (male): To Libya now. You know, say what you will about Moammar Gadhafi — he is still on the loose, by the way — but during his decades in power Gadhafi kept a lid on his country’s Islamic extremists. How? Easy! Islamic radicals were thrown in prison! You will remember this from Wednesday. Anti-Gadhafi rebels freed a prison in Tripoli.

Today CNN has learned that among those liberated inmates, are hundreds of men who are believed to be supporters of Al Qaida. They’re now on the loose. The man who uncovered this story is CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank, who has been into that prison in the past, joins us live from London. Paul give us details on just who he is now free in Libya.

Paul Cruickshank: Well, what we’re hearing Drew is that up to six hundred prisoners from the prison are believed to be pro-Al Qaid militants. So people who were imprisoned there by Gadhafi, who’ve been there for several years, …

Alice Hibbert: British Prime Minister David Cameron has promised more financial aid to Libya’s new rulers on a visit to Tripoli. He’s there with French President Nicolas Sarkozy in support of the regime their warplanes helped put into power! Xxxx [reporter (female) ] keeping us abreast of developments, joins me live now from Tripoli.

Reporter (female): Here in Tripoli both Sarkozy and Cameron have announced that they will continue helping the rebels, particularly Nicolas Sarkozy has said that NATO will continue bombing Libya and military facilities here in Libya, until the rebels take control over the whole the country.

Narrator: After Gaddafi’s overthrow the participation of some European countries, grow the flow of refugees absolutely uncontrolled.

Gadhafi: People from NATO, … Listen to me! You bomb the wall which didn’t pass a migration stream to Europe! This wall which stopped Al Qaeda terrorists. Libya was this wall!

You have ruined it. You’re idiots!

Nicolas Sarkozy: What is the goal? It’s going to be controversial. The goal is to meet the challenge of racial interbreeding. The challenge of racial interbreeding that faces us in the 21st Century.

It’s not a choice, it’s an obligation. It’s imperative! We cannot do otherwise. We risk finding ourselves confronted with major problems.

We MUST change; therefore we WILL change. We are going to change. ALL at the same time! In business, in administration, in education, in the political parties. And we obligate ourselves as to results.

If this volunteerism does not work for the republic, then the State will move to still more coercive measures.

YOUR GOVERNMENT & MEDIA ARE AGAINST YOU. AS LONG AS THE MASSES DON’T KNOW WHO IS ORCHESTRATING THIS, IT WILL CONTINUE.

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Nick Griffin and Jack Sen: The Battle for the Future of Europe — TRANSCRIPT

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[Red Ice Radio interviews the well known, in British politics, Nick Griffin and also a relative new-comer to British politics, Jack Sen. Both these men are in some circles controversial, for their own reasons, but nevertheless this interview is quite interesting — KATANA]

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Nick Griffin & Jack Sen – The Battle for the Future of Europe – Hour 1

Posted on Mar 25, 2016

Nick Griffin, described at various times as “the most dangerous man in British politics” and “the most successful far-right leader in British history,” has been active in radical nationalist politics since he joined the National Front in 1974 at the age of 15. In 2009 he was elected as a member of the European Parliament while leader of the British National Party. Mr. Griffin is now Vice-President of the pan-European Alliance for Peace and Freedom and Political Adviser to the British Unity Party.

Jack Sen was the United Kingdom Independence Party’s (UKIP) prospective Member of Parliament for West Lancashire before being unceremoniously, and quite publicly, suspended. Jack then served the British National Party as its North West spokesman in 2015, but stepped down to concentrate on his British Renaissance Policy Institute and finish his book, “How to Get Suspended from UKIP and the BNP in 10 Articles and 2 Tweets.”

Nick and Jack discuss their current political engagement and the series of films that BRPI is producing to document the work of British and American Nationalists and create a permanent public record unsullied by the warped and inaccurate accounts of the anti-European establishment and its controlled media. We sum up the main concerns being addressed by genuine Nationalists, including the Islamification of Western Europe and the overarching state of dispossession the indigenous population is experiencing. Jack and Nick explain how the White birth rate decline transpired at the same time as 2nd wave feminism, and we look deeper into the deliberately provoked, divisional force of this anti-male hysteria. We also talk about the Zionist thrust to create a multicultural mishmash out of the West, and the issue of popular alt-news outlets glossing over the relationship between immigration and the rise of terrorism and everyday violence. We touch on the turf wars going on inside the Muslim faction within Europe, and how attacks by radical terrorism networks are fueling more cause for the federalization of the European police force. Then, Nick and Jack outline the APF’s objectives and its meta-political mission to shift the Overton Window to the right.

In the members’ segment, we focus on the steps that must be taken to turn around the ailing state of England and Europe at large, which involves a bit of a debate over the viability of the current political system. Nick illustrates the sheer corruption and manipulation that surrounds the election process, and he describes his infamous Question Time lynching on the BBC that surprisingly resulted in a quadrupling of the BNP’s poll ratings. Then, we look to the possibility of a European civil war erupting and the feasibility of an armed resistance by average citizens with an aversion to firearms and, conversely, the Muslim population that is infatuated by and fully loaded with advanced weaponry. Later, we discuss how Europe can rid itself of the liberal, cultural Marxist, SJW infection that has stolen the pride and identity of its people, and we consider how renewed ethnic cohesion can reinvigorate a desire for young people to have children and stand by traditional family values.

Nick Griffin & Jack Sen

The Battle for the

Future of Europe

TRANSCRIPT

HOUR 1

[00:00]

Henrik Palmgren: Welcome ladies and gentlemen, friends and enemies. It’s a pleasures to speak with you. I’m Henrik Palmgren. This is Red Ice Radio. I hope you had a good week. Easter season is upon us. A perfect time for renewal, growth, and fertility. Something we of course desperately need to get back into our lives. Pick up the old rituals, the old customs, renew them again if you feel like it and watch the change take place. We have to get back into the cycles of nature and work with it not, against it.

[Image] Jack Sen at the introduction to his video about Nick Griffin.

Today we have Nick Griffin and Jack Sen on the program to discuss a film, a British Renaissance conversation with Nick Griffin, which is part of the series that Jack’s organization, the British Renaissance Policy Institute is doing. Nick Griffin is described at various times as, the “most dangerous man in British politics” and the “most successful far Right leader in British history“. He’s been active in radical nationalist politics since he joined the National Front in 1974 at the age of fifteen. Now a father four with four grandchildren, he’s best known in Britain for having gone from facing jail for high profile, Race Law prosecutions, for speaking out against Muslim grooming gangs in 2004, to being elected a member of the European Parliament, while leader of the British National Party.

He is now vice president of the Pan European Alliance for Peace and Freedom, and a political advisor to the British Unity Party. Jack Sen was the United Kingdom Independence Party, UKIP, prospective member of Parliament for West Lancashire, before being unceremoniously and quite publicly suspended by Nigel Farage, one week prior to the general election for alleged anti-semitism and attempting to broach the subject of indigenous displacement in Britain and British culture suicide.

Despite being dismissed from the party Jack placed a strong third in the parliamentary election, receiving over six thousand votes. A total greater than UKIP’s Deputy Leader, Paul Nutall. And the other UKIP MEPs representing this region. Jack then served the British National Party as it’s northwest spokesman from May through mid-October, 2015, but stepped down to concentrate on his British Renaissance Policy Institute, and finishing his book, “How to Get Suspended from UKIP and the BNP in 10 Articles and two Tweets.”

The “Fate and Future and Fight of Europe” is our main topic.

Good show ahead and stay tuned.

Henrik: Welcome back Jack. Thank you so much for coming on with us again. It’s always a pleasure speaking with you and I hope you’re doing well today.

Jack Sen: I am, Henrik. Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it.

Henrik: You bet and thank you. And also a welcome to Nick Griffin. A pleasure to speak with you Nick. Thank you so much for taking the time doing the show with us here today.

Nick Griffin: Well again, thank you and thank your listeners.

Henrik: All right! Well, guys before you talk more about the film that you guys have been involved in and obviously some of the current projects both in terms of the European Project at political parties. And of course some of the problems that we face as well that I want to talk a bit about Brussels. But before we do that, maybe we can just briefly introduce Nick, a bit, to our audience. I think you, to be honest, most are actually familiar with you and what not. But tell us a bit about your political career and what you maybe think some newcomers should, should know about you Nick.

[Image] Nick Griffin (circled) graduating in law at Cambridge.

Nick: Well, I guess, I’m a fifty seven now, a father of four with four grandchildren. And I started off in the National Front when I was fifteen, back in 1974. And I’ve been involved in radical national politics ever since in Britain. I was elected as a Member of the European Parliament for the British National Party in 2009. And sat for five years, there. And I’m now pretty much a freelancer and looking for ways to help put the battered nationalist movement back together, here in Britain.

[Image] Nick Griffin in trim condition during his early days in the National Front.

Henrik: How did things go for in the European Parliament? I think one of my favorite moments with you Nick that I saw, was when you spoke about the Kalergi Plan in the parliament. Thank you for doing that, by the way! [laughing]

[Image] Nick Griffin delivering his exposure of the on-going Kalergi Plan to genocide Whites in Europe through a program of Third World invasion, miscegenation and other methods.

Griffin said:

“When the godfather of the European Union, Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, published the plan for a united Europe and the ethnocide of the peoples of Europe, the encouragement of mass non-white immigration was central to the plot. Since then, an unholy alliance of leftists, capitalists and Zionist supremacists has schemed to promote immigration and miscegenation with the deliberate aim of breeding us out of existence in our homelands.

As indigenous resistance to this human genetic-modification industry grows, the criminal elite seeks new ways to camouflage their project. First, their immigrant pawns were temporary guest workers; then it was a multiracial experiment; then they were refugees, and then the answer to a shrinking population. Different excuses, different lies — and asylum is just another one. But the real aim stays the same: the biggest genocide in human history, the final solution to the Christian European problem. This crime demands a new set of Nuremberg trials, and you people will be in the dock.“

Nick: Yes, well it’s a fascinating place to have been. Essentially you’re understanding that you’re just a piece of a giant fig leaf. The MEPs don’t actually do anything useful. Everything done by the European Commission. And they in turn jump according to what their corporate paymasters tell them to do. So Monsanto and people like that really make the rules and the MEPs are just there to make now so he it look decent.

But it was a very interesting time. A lot hostility from the British MEPs. From the majority of the MEPs from the rest of the European Union, overall, they are pretty much tolerate everybody. But I’m pleased to say that I was the, in that term the biggest, probably, black sheep of the whole lot. Of course there are now our comrades from Golden Dawn there, so they are now the black sheep. But back, back in 2009 to 14, it was me.

[05:10]

And as you say it was that one, the [Richard von] Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan. My personal favorite was, I confronted one of the main spokesman of the European Jewish Congress in a committee meeting, when they were, of course, preaching about how racism had to be stamped out and all the rest of it. And I pointed out that they were the biggest racist of the lot.

Henrik: I missed that one! I can’t believe that I missed that one. I didn’t see that. That’s great! What kind of setting was that, by the way? Because I know that they have their own Parliament and their own Congress as well, I believe, right? So, were they in the main Parliament having a meeting or were you at their place, their location, so to speak?

Nick: No, they came in to give evidence, or rather, give orders to the committee of the European Parliament that deals with civil liberties. So why were to say, you need to restrict your civil liberties somewhat, or rather, somewhat more. And they weren’t expecting me.

Henrick: Wow! Gee! All right, well maybe we can have talk a bit more about that later. Why don’t we just briefly just kind of talk about some of things that’s going on with you, ow gentleman? We want to bring you guys on because you have a new film out. You’re also of course involved in the Alliance for Peace and Freedom. That’s a European Party. And then, you’re still involved with British Renaissance and you guys are actually kind of converging a bit with some of your project right now. Tell us more about that Jack.

[Image] Jack Sen interviewing the former leader of the BNP, Nick Griffin.

Jack: Yeah, well. The British Renaissance policy is to, has been around for a few months now. Several different objectives as you can go over a little bit later. But regarding the film we wanted to create a, … I’ve been thinking about creating a fair and accurate historical record of British nationalism. On the Internet there’s not much that we see in the mainstream media. Especially nothing that’s professionally produced.

So what I want to do is produce a few professional quality films, with a proper director. And I thought to myself, I should interview the former members of European Parliament, the British National Party. And that’s when I got in contact with Nick, as well as Andrew Brons.

[Image] Jack Sen protesting the anti-White Slavery Museum.

And then we created a couple of films and then we also did a film outside a slavery museum. But I suppose the two most important films I’ve done have been the interviews. First which was done with with Nick. Maybe Nick can tell you a little bit about how we did it and why he did it.

Nick: Yeah, yeah, sure. Well Jack suggested the idea as a way of really putting into the permanent public record, an account of, where in my case, you know, my career, what I’ve done and would have done what I’m trying to do now. So that people now and in the future. Don’t have to rely on the extraordinary bias snippets put out by the likes of the BBC and Sky News.

And so, necessarily it was quite a long interview, several hours long, which has been split into three. And we cover my career, the circumstances of nationalism in Britain and the rest of the world now. And what we think is going to happen next. So I think it’s a very very useful project. Obviously it’s only the first one, only went out a couple of days ago. So I don’t know how long it will be before we really get the numbers that the work of the editing team deserves in terms of the risk. But I’m sure we will get there.

And whatever is the case in the next few months, I’m sure it would have done what it set out to do, which is to create a long term public record of a sensible discussion. Neither grotesque hostility that gets in the way of the facts, nor fawning sycophantism. It was a straight down the line interview which can be used by nationalists now, and perhaps by, if there is a history of our people in due course, by historians, as well.

Henrick: Yeah, exactly. I mean the media is just incredibly dishonest and a bunch of, a bunch of liars. It’s just a fact. Now. OK, so obviously we can refer people to the film for the really detailed story here, obviously. That you guys have already done the heavy lifting, so to speak on that. But Nick, what do you think people should know about the British National Party? I mean, how long were you involved in and what would you say now in hindsight. What, what worked and, and what didn’t? Kind of a difficult question perhaps. Well what do you think?

Nick: Well I, first of all I was in the National Front from 1974 to 1989. And then, I was involved, got involved with the British National Party, almost by mistake, really, from about 1993 onwards. When I found, I got in touch with people I had known in the NF and realised that they were a good bunch, they were attracting a lot of young people, but I could see they were making some of the same mistakes the we made. And felt the I had a duty to help. So I got involved with the BNP.

I really got heavily involved, from 1996. John Tyndall had me as editor of his magazine, Spearhead for three years exactly, thirty six issues, between [19] 96 and [19] 99, when I became leader, elected leader of our party and carried on from there until, when was it, 2014.

[Image] The National Front chairman, John Tyndall (14 July 1934 – 19 July 2005), at a rally in Lewisham in 1977.

[10:16]

So what can we learn? In a way a lot of it will be historic, I think. Because, certainly in Britain, if you look demographically and politically, I would say that the last chance for a genuine nationalist party, to come to power through the ballot box — and, let’s make no bones about it, we were stopped. And we, at one stage, in say 2007, 2008, we terrified the establishment. We had in one set of local elections, our average vote was fourteen percent across the board, across vast swathes of the country.

Now of we had that in any Europe country with proportional representation, that would have given us, hundreds, hundreds upon hundreds of councilors and a vast financial base. And things would have been very different. And it was, all it did was to draw down the combined united wrath of the establishment upon us, and with a combination of outside attacks, inside attacks and lawfare, quite, quite simply, in the end really, they broke us.

So, you can look at it as a historical thing, but perhaps some of that, it can’t be replicated. There’s simply no time to replicate that and I’m sure we’ll go on to discuss the circumstances about about to blow up in Europe. Meaning that, going for a long haul, party political road is now simply not on the table.

Henrik: OK. So let’s talk actually about that now Jack. So feel free to jump in Nick, of course. I want to get to the essence a bit of what the fight really is about here. Let’s assume that we have someone tuning in right that don’t, that don’t understand your concerns with the demographics, the great replacement, the attack on English people, the British people and of course the heritage and the culture. Tell us a bit of what is happening in Britain right now. And we can begin with you Nick, and encapsulate your concerns for us.

Nick: Well. In simplistic terms, in London, our capital city, in Birmingham, our second city, the indigenous British, including the Irish are now a minority in our two greatest cities. In our schools something like twenty five percent of school children are now from immigrant parents. And the numbers are catastrophic.

It’s not just a question of continued immigration, we’re still having immigration from the Third World at the rate of nearly half a million every year. And at the same time as that, there’s three hundred thousand people leave the country, each year. Now, invariably skilled upper working class Whites with young families leaving, because they can’t stand the place any more.

Henrik: Where are they going? Do, you know where they are going?

Nick: They’re going everywhere they can. Australia, quite a few to the USA, a few to Canada, large numbers to Spain. France, that has come to a grinding halt, because going to France is out of the frying pan into the fire. They’re going anywhere they can, in order to get out of the country which they see very clearly is screwed by immigration and the birthrate.

But worst than that, when our people, when nationalists talk about demographics, very few of them has yet understood, really, the demographics isn’t just about the immigration and immigrant birthrates, it’s also about our population. And our population is aging at such a pace. Out birthrates across Europe, the indigenous birthrate, once you strip out the immigrants, is such that something like, between 0.9 every child per woman of child bearing age, up to about 1.4, 1.5. That means by the end of the century, the population in every single European country, on present trends, will be about 20% of what they are now.

So even without the immigration we face a societal breaking, a demographic problem. And when you include immigration, and deliberately, not necessarily enforced, but deliberately encouraged miscegenation, our people in Western Europe are already past the point where we can talk about remaining a minority [majority?] in our own homelands. It’s simply not going to happen.

Henrik: Jack. Let me switch to you a bit here you. We spoke a little bit, briefly yesterday before the recording here, to coordinate a bit. Tell us a bit about what’s happening in Bradford, as an example of, you know, of how this kind of plays out right now.

Jack: Sure. In Bradford it’s a major problem because the demographic have changed to such an extent that the vast majority of the city now is Islamic. Whites have moved to the suburbs, where they still are predominately indigenous British. But the vast majority the city, and of course unfortunately, the elected officials will be Labor until the last, because of the demographic force of the Muslim population. And it’s happening all across the nation, unfortunately.

[15:05]

Henrik: Yeah, exactly! We see Whites, we see White flight, and I mean this very aspect of, you know, native English or British people are a minority in their own capital. This is something that actually gained, somewhat focus even in the mainstream. I think there was a clip of John Cleese, of all people, actually speaking out and then talking about the fact that something is horribly wrong. When, when this is occurring. How do we, what I mean, how do we even, I mean people still fight, people like you Nick, for even, for even bringing attention to this.

I mean, how, how the heck can we can awaken people to the aspect that this, if this happened, if this same thing happened in any other country, if we had a population coming in and replacing the local one, especially we in the West would be up in arms and we would be screaming, “Genocide!” at this point. But it’s not happening because it’s happening in Western countries, right?

Nick: Sure, yes, and then, well. See, we’ve been saying this for decades, haven’t we? This is the problem.

Henrik: Yeah.

Nick: So, just saying it isn’t going to wake people up. I think now, certainly huge numbers of people that I’ve spoken to, and obviously I’m, I’m still, by far, the most recognised, or recognizable figure in British nationalism in the country. So people still come up to me, you know, in, by the way service stations, supermarkets and so on, and have a chat and tell me how they feel. And they all get it now. Huge numbers understand it, but they now feel, “What can we do a bit?” And actually, that’s a very sensible and legitimate question, because just pretending we can wave a magic wand and come to power and change it, isn’t going to work.

So, I think we’re now at the stage of having to prepare to, take advantage of at least one good thing that I think will happen. And that is that, every single minority, everywhere in the world that I’ve ever studied, once they become a minority — and we will still be the largest minority in Britain and Western Europe for a long time to come — when people become a minority and they and their children are therefore treated like dirt, that’s when they tend to fight.

You know, if you look at say, in politics, the internal politics of Britain, the English are always the majority, their politics is a class struggle. Whereas in Ireland and in Scotland and in Wales, because people were put down by what they saw as a foreign power, it became a national struggle, an ethnic struggle. You know, a linguistic and cultural struggle. And I think that we’ll inevitably find that our people will be more willing to accept our message and more prepared to defend themselves, because now they will have to. You had a choice until now, running away or pretending it isn’t happening. And that choice is now coming to a grinding halt.

So people therefore, they will fight, but of course they don’t know how to. And it is very, very important for us to stop the fantasies of drastic sweeping change from the top, and start to do what all nationalist and revolutionary organizations did, do. Which is to work to organize their communities, to empower their communities, to radicalize their communities. And to help their community learn how to defend themselves.

Henrik: OK, I want to ask you more about radicalize there. But you said, before that, you said minorities are treated like dirt. Now, would you say that the English treated the non-European minorities like dirt?

Nick: No. No, obviously that’s, …

Henrik: Right.

Nick: No, no, most definitely not. Everywhere else in the world, apart from the world colonized by our people, who probably are uniquely, amongst human populations, have the ability to empathize and put yourself in the other man’s shoes. And want to be, and therefore treat them as he want to be treated himself. But, when we look at the rest of the world, we see all too clearly that’s not what’s coming to Britain and Europe and for that matter the United States. Because the USA is only, what, twenty five or thirty years less far down the line, but heading in the same direction.

Henrik: Yeah, but, exactly. It’s almost like I do want to, … If someone is listening that lives, that lives in London, that they can give us a few examples and talk with us and explain what’s happening and how they’re treated, and how they’re feeling living there. Maybe they’re is a situation where they can’t, you know, they’re in one of these transitional neighborhoods where, ….

Jack: I can, …

Henrik: Yeah, yeah. Go ahead.

Jack: I can give you a good example.

Henrik: Sure, sure.

Jack: I can give you a good example. A few months ago when I started the British Renaissance, a young man reached out to me, via the Internet, and asked me if he could join the party. And I said that we’re not a political party. And he said, “Well what do you do?” And I said we’re looking to stand up for the rights of the indigenous population, and find a way to move the “Overton Window” over, slightly, to the right, so we can discuss things that are impacting our communities.

He then went into how he feels like a stranger in his own community. He was actually growing, he grew up a liberal in a liberal family. However over the years, he noticed his head would get lower and lower and lower when he walked down the street. First it was a feeling of guilt for seeing people who, minorities living in bad situations.

Then, he noticed that as the minorities gained in power and strength in number, they’d started to intimidate him. He felt he had become almost unwanted in his own community and it was quite alarming for him. And he told me how he would walk down the street with his head down. Because he was fearful of what they would say to him, simply for being indigenous White British.

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Henrik: Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Actually, Brussels is a prime example of this. My wife and I went through Antwerp, when was this, three years ago now I believe and it was very interesting to see that. I think Brussels is a good example of also a nation of course that is internally, even without the immigration, in internal turmoil of sorts, because it’s like, … It is a forced nation. You have the Flemish nationalist, which seems to be the most cohesive, but then you have a German speaking population, a French one. It is just all over the place.

But, I remember this one thing. We were stopping, and trying to ask someone for directions, for help. And OK, granted I spoke English to the gentleman but, I couldn’t get any contact with the guy. I tried a couple of other people too. And it even seems that now after the terrorist attacks in Brussels, that even the Belgian authorities have been treating the situation, is very disorganized. It’s almost like that all this forced diversity on top of the nation that’s already pretty shattered and fractured is breeding these people that are incredibly atomized and so individualized that just as you say Jack, they keep their head down. They don’t engage in anybody.

When I asked for the directions, I couldn’t even get in contact with them, anybody. It was like, this, this, … They’re living side by side, right next to each other, but no one knows each other. They’re not even speaking their own language, and this is of course a hundred times worse with all the immigration now in Brussels. And I couldn’t believe it when we came into Antwerp, it was like the traffic rules were out the window, it was basically like being in Egypt. We have these beautiful, beautiful European buildings around us with a population that was like, not a single White person left anymore. It was just incredible to see.

Nick: That is how I feel, you know, going to London. I was born, brought up in London. I spent a lot of my early political career on the streets in London and when I go back there now, it’s both heartbreaking and makes me very angry. And certainly I don’t feel at home there and nor does any normal person.

Henrik: Yeah.

Jack: And Nick mentioned the fact that British families aren’t having children. And quite remarkably there’s been a UN study that they recently released, which, which states for the record that the solution to this problem is bringing in immigrants. To actually, save the population of Western Europe,. They actually believe that bringing in immigrant populations and migrations of Africans and Asians will actually rescue Great Britain from it’s failure to have children.

Nick: Well of course that is what, … There’s an enormous of pressure for that, because there’s the ideological pressure from the, from the far left, from the Talmudists, and so on. And then there’s the financial pressure from capitalism. Whereby, when you are trying to make a profit you’ve got to have plenty of consumers and plenty of cheap labour.

So you put on top of the ideological reasons for destroying our people. And all sorts of very powerful forces want to encourage, keep encouraging mass immigration. Just the last few weeks, actually, I’ve noticed it’s changed. Going back anything past a few weeks and people like me and people like us, we are the only people who ever use the word, “demographic”. Whereas now, on the BBC, and so on, Radio Four is their political flagship, program. Every morning, time and time again on that now you’ll hear leftists, saying:

“Oh, we’ve got to have mass immigration for demographic reasons. Because there’s not enough of us. No one will look after us when we are old, and we haven’t had enough children.”

It’s an incredible cheek when you consider the reason our people haven’t had enough children, is precisely the same people with their pressure against having kids, with abortion on demand. And one of the things as well, which I’m very sure they knew about, because I found out about it, and I’m not a rocket scientists.

There were studies done in the USA at the time of, as State by State were desegregated, and they found back, so we are talking in the early mid-sixties. They found direct correlation between desegregation and a collapse in the White birthrate, as people thought:

“Well is it really worth bringing kids into this uncertain world that is increasingly isn’t ours?”

Henrik: Yeah.

Nick: So, they have known for a long, long, time that bringing in immigrants from other places, especially ones who have some thoroughly anti-social tendencies, will, one of the things it will do is to disrupt and drive down the birthrate of good law-abiding peoples. And that is exactly what it has done.

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Jack: Yeah, which transpired at the exact same time as, what, Second Wave feminism. So you have another driving force to pit women against man and divides families and preaches the importance of material, materialism and, … Having women in the workplace driving down labor costs, and you’re increasing tax revenue to the state.

So you have this massive force coming from all different angles but, which ends up with the same result. People don’t get married, they don’t have children, and the only people having children are the underclass, the minority populations and immigrants who believe that the family is the bedrock of their, their society.

Nick: Yes, indeed.

Henrik: Yeah. So on top of this, of course, you do have then, radical organized Islam, you have terrorism and of course, couple that with what Whites usually have, which is high investment parenting. That’s a recipe for disaster right there! There’s nothing, I mean if you can’t move out of those cities and maybe get to the countryside where there’s other people like you, the chances that you want to have children, at least, you know, many, is very slim I think, right?

Nick: Very, very slim and then there’s a new factor coming in, which I feel, I want to mention it, because it’s particularly relevant to young nationalist males. That there’s the, the new thing, that there’s a reaction to the ugliness and the anti-male hysteria of feminism. There’s now this, “All men together type approach” that is the likes of Milo, who some people say, “Oh, he’s some kind of hero”, you know, by standing up for the rights of men. No! He’s a homosexual, he’s Jewish and he very, very clearly has an agenda, in encouraging further hostility between women and men.

Up until now the hostility has come from the feminists, towards men. There’s now this very ugly drive to encourage our people to take an anti-women stance, not anti-feminist stance, an anti-dyke stance, but an anti-women stance, altogether. And, you know, to go off in little groups of men and not want to be associated with women. Well, it’s the kiss of death, isn’t it?

Henrik: Yeah, the, …

Jack: It is. You know, … Sorry, I was going to say that, yes, look at the message boards and the comments on a lot of the national sites. There is a palpable hatred towards women from White men and it is quite shocking. You know, some of the language I see directed at women. And, like Nick said, I think it is this anti-feminist people, like this Milo as well as men like, who would attend a conference in the United States. Who preach this sort of, “It’s us against them”. But the “them” is not the Muslims or the Jews, the “them” is the women, and it’s quite remarkable. Because, you know, in a healthy society men need women and women need men. And unfortunately we’ve been driven to hate one another by the left and now are unfortunately the right.

Nick: What makes it particularly effective is that a lot of, what the likes of Milo say about feminism and so on, it’s all true. There’s a close parallel with the Zionists and the Neocons who want to try and use very genuine legitimate concerns about Islamisation and radical Islam, to have us all go off and fight wars for Israel.

And again about 90% of what they are saying about the Islamisation problem in the West, is true. But when they take that final 10% and therefore we have to stand with the very people that did so much to create the problem in the first place, that’s where, that’s where we have to draw the line.

Henrik: Well, very good point. You know, I wanted to bring that up, but you’re right. I mean, Milo Yiannopoulos, as he’s called, an editor at Breitbart and, you know, this kind of similar publications. I knew that he was homosexual, but I did not know that he was Jewish! That’s interesting, and even on Wikipeadia, right there, so.

So, that’s a good point, because we do have Breitbart and I mean, don’t get me wrong, just as you say Nick, they have some excellent articles that exposes the problem with Islam, right? And these are legitimate steam valves that opens up now and then so that the discontent that the people have is channeled and funneled into the right direction where they, never ever, of course, talk about the main lobby that’s behind pushing mass immigration into the West, right?

Nick: I’d say yes. I absolutely agree with you. But I would say it’s worse than just a steam valve! They’re not just getting us to let off steam so we don’t do anything. They’re deliberately trying to provoke a total clash of civilizations. Where it’s all of us against all of them. One, whereby we lose, because, for instance, if you look at the Muslim population, even if we were against all the Sunnis, well that makes the Shia our natural allies. It makes Iran a natural civilizational ally and so on. So we don’t want to be fighting all of them.

But in any case, the minute you start thinking about fighting all of them, as opposed to having a sensible agreement and divorce to part company. But the minute you start about fighting all of them, you end up on the side of the people who created the mess in the first place. And that’s what they want. They want a civil war in Europe. And they’re working very hard to get one. And the ISIS and other scumbags on the other side ,will of course help them because, they want the same thing.

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Henrik: Yeah, very good point. And it’s also of course very, very difficult in that, in that place to, to go a step further, to a level two, if you will, for people. Because, most of what they see is things that’s occurring right in front of their eyes, right? They’re going to see that Islam is a problem, they’re going to see that these people are not integrating. And all those things are true, just as we, you know, just as you say. But to try to go that extra length and ask, or rather to push upon, these people. “Well these are the people behind it” and what not.

I hope that there is enough interest in people alone, that they will some, … They will ask that question, I mean we have to provide the answers of course to them but, you know, in some cases I just know the situation in Sweden right. That you have a whole lot of people that are very upset with the Islamic invasion, if you will. But as soon as you begin to talking about, you know, that there’s, you know, Jewish influences in the country and what not. They’re looking at you like you’re from Mars or something, right? I mean it’s very difficult to to see them connect. It’s almost like them to say:

“Well now, now you’re talking like them because these Islamicists, they’re the new Nazis, right?”

[laughing] So it’s difficult, it’s very difficult!

Jack: We need to move the Overton Window to the Right. But also to, a portion of the Right, I could actually discuss issues other than Islam. Unfortunately there is no party in Britain that is, and there’s no part of the Right that will actually discuss the influence Jews have had on our society, any more. Even the BNP refused to discuss it. When I was in the BNP, I was told pretty much, “You can’t mention kosher with haram”. You can say a “halal” but you can’t say “kosher”.

Henrik: Yeah.

Jack: That, that was pretty much the, that was pretty much the path they wanted to head down. I mean UKIP, if you look at UKIP. I mean moments after Lee Rigby was decapitated by Muslims, they ran to a local mosque to appease the Muslims in private. But then publicly, they would say that they were culturally, possibly, not really incompatible, but there were issues.

So they’re things we can’t talk about, things we can’t speak about. And what I think we should do is move the Overton Window. In a slightly different direction so, things that people are thinking we can actually speak about again. Our politicians won’t even engage us until, until enough people start talking about these issues.

Henrik: Let me interject this. Isn’t there also then an interface here, because what I’ve noticed is that, despite the fact that, you know, Breitbart and the Rebel media, the Truth Revolt, a number of these that have adopted names that, you know, kind of the Alternative Truth Movement had ten years ago. But anyway, they have, they’ve also, they do have an interface with the mainstream media that now and then, they, they do get on mainstream TV.

I believe Milo, he’s like on these panels and stuff like that. He gets some media exposure, right? So that, there’s still an interface, despite the fact that they are seen as a kind of an opposition, or an alternative, or a new rising media. They’re enough, you know, on board, if you will, so that they get that attention in the media. Unlike, you know, us or, you know, in some cases you guys as well of course, that, … We don’t get that airplay, we don’t get that time. We, no one kind of on the mass scale knows that, not with you Nick, of course, people know who you are. But, I’m talking about certain outlets that we don’t get that same interface and recognition that some of these guys do. Right?

Nick: Of course not. No, because they’re essentially part of the same system. They’re the, the system, … They understood, I think they looked at the way in which White nationalist movements and individuals all over the world really dominated and to an extent still dominant, the Alternative media and the internet.

They saw that this was very, very dangerous and initially they put a lot of effort into trying to control the web. And I think they have concluded that they may well not be able to now. So they have moved into creating such a large block of interrelated alternative media. That when people go hunting and go looking and they give up on the BBC or CNN. So they get on the internet, they are still going to find the same poison, rebottled in different bottles.

Henrik: Yeah, good point, good point. Let’s talk a bit about how, I mean this, the media war of course is an issue in itself and, we can we can hold off on that a little bit. Let’s just talk about the politics of this now, too. Because you mentioned Nick that people now, they can see, right even, even with the terrorism that we’re now seeing in Europe on a almost monthly basis now. At some point it will be there, it will just increase and increase and increase.

There is a great time of opportunity, it’s a great danger of course to, to many people, but it’s a great opportunity. And it’s important for us to be there and what not. But, would you say that politically, is the option there or off the table? Is this now about a meta-political battle or how do you see that in terms of forming a, you know, yet another party, or do, you know, is there time for that? What do you think?

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Nick: There’s certainly, … Now, we have to form another party, because having a party, it’s an easy way in for people. Some people would choose to join in a political movement, or become followers, something like Red Ice Radio, for instance. Other people, they think they want to make a change:

“How do I that, I’ve got to join a political party.”

So, for those people, and it’s not all of them, but it’s a significant number of potential rebels, and we need every last one we can get. Some of them, joining a party is what they will do. So therefore, there has to be a party which offers them the possibility and which just got the answers.

But if you think that, that party is going to be allowed to legitimately to contest elections and treated fairly by the mass media, and simply to come to power the other’s will hand us the keys to the government buildings. You know, and the codes to the nuclear weapons and so on. Well, if you think that, you are obviously stark staring mad! Because that is not going to happen.

So a party has a place, but it is only a place in, in a bigger movement. And the danger in forming another party is, you then tend to get sucked down the road:

“Well, we have to contest elections. We have to do well. How do you do well in elections? Where do you trim your message, a bit?”

So you are only saying what people want to hear, and your book going round that same circle.

And as I was said, it was, I think it was legitimate to try that one last time, until very recently, because demographically, there was still the faintest possibility of winning that way. Now that is gone, then, you have a party, but it’s got to be part of a bigger group which also fights the battle of ideas, and also looks to fight on the international level. I think that’s very, very important. Our enemies all operate at an international level, which gives them immense power. We can and increasingly are doing the same and that’s very, very valuable.

And there are some places in Europe that could in due case, course be some places in the United States, if it falls apart, as it might. There are some places where you can have a national revolution in one area. But, I think it’s absolutely clear, that a national revolution, which is only in one area, is not going to survive very long. So wherever we make the breakthrough, and I’m thinking now, again for demographic reasons as well as politics, it’s looking like Central or Eastern Europe. Wherever we really make the breakthrough, we’ll have to pile our efforts into encourage and defend that breakthrough.

Henrik: So it is like a pan-European effort, because as, … We’ve actually spoken about this in the program and it is, a… There’s some good points within this that obviously we are, you know, against the European Union, but at the same time, the, the framework that has been built with that, is obviously something potentially, … Don’t know if we will, but it’s something that we could use to our advantage. A pan-European effort is something that is necessary in this case, I believe.

Nick: A pan-European effort is absolutely essential! And there’s, if we would talk a bit later on about, I’m sure, about the Alliance for Peace and Freedom. You know, we’re getting this year, the genuine radical nationalist movement, including Golden Dawn, the National Democrats in Germany, Forza Nuova [New Force] in Italy and so on. So the real hardcore, genuine nationalist radicals in Europe, were getting half a million euros from the European Union. And they could jump through hoops for it. But it’s a useful sum of money, so that we can use.

Again, I think the idea that real nationalists can really dominate the European Union, … Someone once said to me:

“Well they’ve building a house for us. If they build it we can take it over”.

And look at all, look at all the nationalists in the European Union, the big block from the Front National, the big block from Italy and so on, … Let’s get it clear, they are not nationalists! A lot of the rank and file are, and Jean-Marie Le Pen was a nationalist, although he had civic overtones, or undertones which went with the French experience, and so on. And his own experience, you know, in the Army in Algeria and such like.

But certainly under his daughter the Front National is not a nationalist party, it’s a pro-Zionist party, which is OK or good on Islam, as far as it goes. But even on immigration, in their position, because they’ve got to stop, the same as UKIP, we’ve got to stop all the immigration from some countries, Islamic countries or Eastern Europe, so that we can have more of our traditional immigrants from Africa. Well, you know, I can assure you, thanks but no thanks.

Henrik: Right.

Jack: Yeah, and I think Miss Le Pen’s, … Her, … Some of her biggest backers are homosexuals in France. I’ve read somewhere that her second in command is a homosexual male. And I think there’s about four or five homosexuals that are actually in her block. I’m not quite sure if that’s the case, but from what I’ve read that she has quite a few high ranking homosexuals in her party.

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Nick: The party machine is dominated by them. And these are people, … They are not the occasional ones who happen to be that way and they keep it to themselves and it doesn’t affect their politics. They act and they think and act as a gay block and part of their push on Marine is that she can also make herself very, very respectable by making an alliance with the Jews.

As a parallel there, you’ve got the Northern League and Casa Pound with other nationalists thinkers, a great bunch in Italy. You know, the League have an official link with Likud in Israel.

Henrik: Oh, jeez!

Nick: So, you know, when people say:

“Oh, these are nationalists, we can work with them.”

You know, the answer is no. What I do think we can do and Jack and I have spoken about this a lot and have written about it. We can view them in a different way, you don’t have to view these people and their organizations as something utterly beyond the pale, that we mustn’t touch, it’s an appalling development. It’s only an appalling development bad for our cause if we don’t find a way to deal with it and gain from it.

And what organizations like UKIP or in France the Front National have done. They’ve given a hope, false hope but it’s hope nevertheless to large numbers of people, new people. And they’re bringing on board new people. They’re politicizing people who previously weren’t political and once they’re politicized, especially in the time of the internet, you are only a few clicks, one night away, from discovering, you know, a whole world of things, that you never knew existed or had happened. And there’s a radicalization process.

Henrik: Yes, yes.

Nick: Historically these parties I think are part of a really important process of the people waking up. But it’s only any good if people like us, develop ways to go fishing in this big pond being created by these people and catch the best fish and then make good use of them.

Jack: I have a question for Nick, if I could ask. Two part question, Nick. Do the homosexuals embrace the Front National and Miss Le Pen because they feel that Islam is a threat to their existence?

Henrik: Of course.

Jack: And the second question would be, is there any way to radicalize people in Front National and in parties like UKIP, in your opinion?

Nick: You know. Yes, the first part, I think that is very clearly the case. Same as, throughout the whole Neocon organization and all their mass media things on either the mainstream media or the alternative [media]. You’ll find, if there’s an intelligent young spokesman for these politics, he’s either Jewish or he’s an upper-class gentile homosexual.

And, they’re also fanatically against Putin and Russia. And, it’s quite simply that, you know, Putin is less than favorable towards open displays of homosexuality. And they take it very personally and their whole world view is affected by their own personal thing. So, obviously in that respect they are very much like members of the Jewish community. Many, or most of whom, also do the same thing. So that is why they are there. And that means you can’t really turn them round.

Can we radicalize members of UKIP, the Front National? Absolutely so! I’ve no doubt about that. It’s a matter of setting up the machinery, which includes things as old fashioned as books and as modern as internet radio stations and especially internet television.

Because are only certain kinds of people who will listen to a political discussion that goes on an hour and a half, even though we are scintillatingly interesting, all three of us. You know, whereas, if you can boil your message down to a forty five second video clip, then you are going to reach a hell of a lot more people. I mean, between us in different ways, we create a ladder of radicalisation, then some of them, not all all of them, will get on that ladder.

Henrik: Let me add something here. I think this is an extremely important part of the discussion here. Because, despite the fact that we can, we can find these discrepancies that we can find the fact that this is, you know heading in a, you know, pretty bad direction. The fact that this is, that the discontent is being hijacked if you will. But I think, we have to work with it despite everything, right? It’s very important for us to ride that wave. I don’t think that we can work against that stream of discontent. We have to also learn how to surf that, just as you said Nick. We, you know, we need to fish that pond, if you will.

Because as things get worse with terrorism within Europe, and the more they, these parties and organizations stick to the simplicity of, like, “Get Islam out!” You’re not going to be able to get in there and say, “No, no!” you know, it is just not going to work. You have to, we have to use that energy and, … But we have to be, we have to be friends, we are friends with these people, right? Because we’re, in this regard, we are on the same page. I mean, at the end result of it, sure, we might have a different opinion of where this needs to go. You know, we might not want to see, you know, war with Islam in the Middle East, right?

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Where the European forces move in to have a World War III with Islam or something. That’s not what we want. Right. But we want to get them out of our countries nonetheless. We have to work with them up to a certain point and try to get as many of them as possible to see where we’re coming from. And the very fact that we need to have intelligence organisations and our own lobby groups that work towards the fact that at the end of this, we don’t want a war.

We want a Europe which is natively European. We want to get out of these horrible foreign policy issues and all these kinds of issues. I think it’s an incredibly important time right now to try to not make enemies, but make friends, but know what’s at the end of that tunnel. The goal, basically. What’s the carrot, you know.

Nick Griffin: Yeah, absolutely so!

Henrik Palmgren: Jack, any additions to that?

Jack Sen: Yeah, certainly. I think you have to work with them.

I mean, we have to exploit every single opportunity we have. Right now, there’s obviously almost, people are petrified of Islamic people living in Europe. And it might sound strange, but I’ve noticed when I speak to people that are not nationalists and they see someone wearing a full hijab, they are immediately terrified by that person. And it would be nice to exploit the fears of these people.

At the end of the day, I think we have to at this point, because there is a genuine concern that they will take over the country at some point, whether it’s demographically through outbreeding the native population or eventually through an armed uprising. They are certainly looking to take over Western Europe.

I mean, there’s no doubt in my mind that’s their plan. I think they’re just fighting their time because they do recognise that [we have] 1.9 children per family, where they have seven. So within 50 years, they will be able to pretty much control the government through the electoral, through the ballot box. But certainly there is also a risk that some of the more extreme elements of the Islamic community will grab their weapons and get out in the street and commit horrendous acts as we’ve just seen in Brussels.

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah.

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Nick Griffin: Sure. And if I can come in there.

Firstly, Jack’s absolutely right that they don’t need to kick off now and the sensible ones don’t want to. All they simply do is tell their people:

“Just have children, just have children and rear them, right, and we’re going to win in the end!”

And the Muslim Brotherhood are the ones hugely financed by the Saudi Arabians.

So they’re talking vast amounts of money, vast amounts of influence, particularly in Britain, but elsewhere in Europe as well, in the Sunni Muslim community, which is, of course, the majority. And I’ve spoken with Muslims from both main branches of the faith, actually in Britain. I meet them on planes generally and sit and talk to them. Most to the bemusement of other passengers. And several different groups, chaps have said to me something like:

“25, 30, 40 in some areas, 50% of young Sunni Muslims are now basically fully radicalised. And it’s terrifying and there’s nothing we can do about it. And the government’s doing nothing to stop the Saudi Arabian money pouring in. And you people have no idea how much trouble this is about to cause!”

So that’s certainly going on.

Now, as I say, the Muslim Brotherhood, they’re wise enough and they’ve been around long enough to understand all they’ve got to do is bide their time and therefore they’re trying to keep things under control. When you look, for instance, at when the bears with little brains from Britain First, have turned up outside mosques and so on, and been extraordinarily provocative. The discipline shown by the young Muslims is astounding! They turn out in large numbers in order to protect the mosque and protect their community and so on.

But generally they retain their discipline in a way that White youngsters, under those circumstances, if they outnumbered the police, they outnumbered the opposition on the scale they do, they would simply go berserk.

So these people are very disciplined. They know exactly what they’re doing.

But the thing, which again, Jack points to is that some of the more extreme elements don’t want to wait. That’s an absolutely key thing! We’ve got to understand that there’s turf wars going on within the Muslim population and there’s jockeying for position and power and money and status. And that there’s the hardliners, they’re no more extreme than the others, it’s a tactical difference. It’s revolutionaries versus Fabians. The hardliners want to kick it off now.

And there’s no point us actually thinking, I don’t think, making our plans really, on the assumption that things will carry on pretty much as they are just getting steadily worse with more terrorist explosions. It’s not going to be like that, I don’t believe, because you’ve got the hardliners on the Muslim side and the hardliners on the Zionist neocon side, both of them pushing not just for more problems, but they’re pushing for a civil war in Europe. When you’ve got two blocs as powerful doing that, you have to assume that they will get what they want. And when it happens, it’ll happen within a matter of a couple of weeks. It’ll go from being normal to being changed, utterly changed!

[50:25]

And the best example, anyone who wants to see what is going to happen in Britain and France and western Germany and Holland and so on, all they need to do is look at the history of Belfast and Londonderry in 1968 and 1969.

And just to tell you, your listeners, before I hand back to you, because I talk quite a bit here, what happened there is that 10,000 people in Belfast, a small city of sort of 250,000 people at the time, 10,000 people moved in a single night, in one night in 1968. This was communities who they had old historical divisions and so on, but they basically lived side by side in mixed communities in most of the city. And they’d lived like that for decades. And in a few nights in 1968, those communities fell apart, with people burning their own homes as they left them, rather than falling into the hands of the other side.

Or in other areas the paramilitaries, which rapidly grew up, arranged a peaceful but very swift and rough population transfer, whereby Protestants and Catholics, different sides of this little city, simply switched side. And it took the British army. They had 26,000 men trying to keep that place calm, and they couldn’t really keep it calm when the IRA, at their height, had only 400 armed volunteers. That’s all they had. There’s more than that in Bradford.

Jack Sen: Yeah. And I mean, God, quite remarkable. I mean, look at it this way. Nick said took 27,000 soldiers to quell an uprising of 400 IRA rebels.

I mean, the Muslim community in Great Britain has been stockpiling hundreds of thousands of high powered weapons. I’m not talking about brass knuckles, nunchucks and 22s. We’re talking about high power rated handguns, assault rifles like MP7s and M240s, even surface to air rocket launches and antitank weapons. Believe it or not, they’ve gotten into the country like Javelins that can take out a convoy of tanks with the push of a button.

The Muslim community, along with Britain’s Afro-Caribbean community, whether you want to believe it or not, has a lot of weapons. And the average British person has no idea what’s going to happen once these people decide to turn the weapons on the indigenous population, which I think they will do at some point.

As Nick stated, the people at the top will probably tell them to bide their time and keep calm and have children. In 50 years on, they can take over the country democratically, and then they can impose Sharia law. But there are people that are pretty hot headed and will get amongst themselves and decide that they want to go out in a night and kick off. And what will happen when they do? They have a lot of firepower.

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah.

Nick Griffin: Sorry.

Jack Sen: No, let me just, …

[53:12]

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah, I just wanted to actually take a short break here now because there’s other couple of things we need to get out here.

Before we do that, I just want to mention we have much more to discuss. This aspect is very important in terms of the weaponry. We’re going to talk more about that in the second segment as well.

But I also want to ask a bit more about Belgium. There’s some of these radical networks in London and England. And also how the European bureaucrats are seeking to use the terrorism that we saw in Brussels, Paris and London to what I think is going to be a federalised European police force and intelligence networks that is going to be more, at the end of it, prone to spy on people like us than on the radical Islamists. And here we are maybe in a position where we actually encourage that because we think this is going to be there to protect us. But let’s save that for the second hour. Let’s talk a bit about Alliance for Peace and Freedom first.

And I want to make sure that you guys give out information about the video, the film that you have as well, the interview, and where people can see that.

So let’s begin with the Alliance for Peace and Freedom. Whoever want to pick up on that.

Nick Griffin: Yeah. Okay.

So the European Eurocrats have decided they want to federalise everything, as you’ve just said, and they use every possible opportunity.

So one of the opportunities is they want to federalise political parties.

So they’ve created a pot. It’s about €23 million every year. It’s roughly the same in dollars at present, which goes to party political groups which were established across Europe.

And previously there’s been the communists, the Greens, the Liberal Democrats, the Christian Democrats, the Socialists, et cetera. They’ve all had these parties. There have been several attempts to create a nationalist one. And from the previous failures, really, we learnt a great deal. So, best part of two years ago, I approached Roberta Fiore and one of the main people in the NPD in Germany and said:

“Look, we should create one of these parties ourselves.”

You have to have a Member of Parliament or an NEP from at least seven countries in order to be recognised, and so on.

And so we decided to create this one the first year.

Last year we created the party. We were turned down on funding on an outrageous technicality. We decided not to waste our time taking to court and all the rest of it, enriching only the lawyers and simply got on with the job of running the party. We did a lot last year, actually, with no resources. We went to Syria, we went to Moscow, did a conference, sorry, St. Petersburg, did a conference there, held a number of joint demonstrations, started the process of converging nationalist ideologies.

[55:45]

So that was last year without funds.

This year, as I said earlier, we’ve had about half a million Euros of funds for the Alliance for Peace and Freedom as what is technically called a European level political party. And each party is also entitled to establish a Foundation which deals more with education and ideas. So in our case, our foundation is Europa Terrainostra, “Europe, Our Land”. And both the party and the foundation are now functioning. And we’ve got a lot of exciting plans for this year. Publishing house, various conferences, common activity programs, training for young people, and developing a lot more reach in social media.

Henrik Palmgren: Very, very good. We had actually, Stefan Jokovson [sp] from the former Party of the Swedes with us. And he’s a member, of course, as well.

Nick Griffin: Yes, indeed. He’s our general [word unclear].

Henrik Palmgren: Very good. Yeah, exactly! Very good gentleman.

And I think he told us that you guys are building or getting a new domain as well. Right. But what is the domain right now so people can get to the website for it?

Nick Griffin: At present, it’s Alliance-peace-freedom, with a hyphen between each one. So it’s a little bit difficult to remember.

So if people simply search alliance for peace and freedom, then they’ll find us pretty easily. And we’re, you say, getting a better domain. We’re improving the websites, but straight away there, there’s all the basic facts and so on and how they can join. Because as well as having affiliated party members such as Golden dawn and individual members of MPs and so on, it’s also now just opened for membership for individual nationalists and supporters anywhere in the world, who want to be involved and to help us develop this thing. It’s absolutely vital. I think everyone gets it now that we exchange intelligence, that we exchange best practice, that we work together.

So, for instance, when both Golden dawn and the NPD in Germany have come under attack in the last few months from their respective establishments, we’ve held joint demonstrations and encouraged joint demonstrations outside embassies all over Europe.

And although it doesn’t actually make any difference in a material sense, it makes a very important difference to the morale of the members under attack, that they’re not forgotten, that there’s people all over Europe who say:

“I stand with Golden Dawn, I stand with the NPD!”

It’s very important for their morale.

Henrik Palmgren: Yeah, that’s great!

So it’s like an umbrella organisation, and it’s some kind of overarching, centralised effort to help link together smaller groups, organisations and political parties as well.

So that’s really what’s needed. I think that’s a great idea.

All right, Jack, tell us about the film.

Jack Sen: Okay. Well, we produced the film. Well, Nick and I met. We produced the film over about 5 hours. We came up with about two and a half hours worth of footage. And really, basically, just as Nick said earlier, to record something accurate in the historical record, it would be online permanently that people can find when they want to know about Nick Griffin and what he’s accomplished. That’s all we really wanted to do.

When I search for something on Nick Griffin or any of the nationalists in Great Britain, inevitably I find something from the BBC, and it’s distorted, it’s distasteful, and it’s unfair. So all I wanted to do is create something fair and truthful, and I think we’ve done that.

[59:21]

So if you go onto the British Renaissance website, which is Britishenaissance.org, or you go onto our YouTube channel, which will be linked via the red Ice radio, the promo for this broadcast, you can find the video, and we’ve had a few thousand people find it in the first two days. It’s been out there. It’s been shared on The Occidental Observer already on the main page, right at the top.

So you can actually go to theoccidentalobserver.net, and you just see the video on the top. It’ll say, “Nick Griffin Interview with Jack Sen”.

So I think it’s quite an important interview. I think we covered all the bases. We discussed how Nick was treated by the BBC, the rise of UKIP, how UKIP is basically used as controlled opposition by the establishment, besides a safety valve, for the establishment, but also steer genuine nationalists in the wrong direction.

We cover the rise of plastic patriotic groups in the United States and in Europe, and we discuss Front National and pretty much a wide variety of topics that most people are thinking about at this moment. We also discuss Islamism in the United Kingdom, mass immigration from Asia, Middle east and Africa into Great Britain, and the displacement of the indigenous population. It’s quite an interesting interview, and I think that if people sit down and spend the evening listening to it, they’ll thoroughly enjoy it.

Henrik Palmgren: The website Britishrenaissance.org, of course, that’s where people can find more information about the organisation as well.

Is there anything else we want to say about that? Quickly, Jack, before we break here?

Jack Sen: No, that’s fine. It’s great! We’re producing a lot of films and other projects simply just to reshape hearts and minds of the general population, so at some point they can make a more educated decision into who they want to elect into office. Because I do believe that once we shift the Overton Window to the Right, that the people in our government will start to discuss things we need them to discuss. I do believe there’s still a chance for the democratic process to work.

Call me maybe naive, but I do believe that if we start telling our politicians that they have to discuss immigration, we have to discuss even deciding who comes into the country, who does not come into the country. We can get ourselves out the European Union, and then come up with a proper plan to stem the tide of mass immigration from the rest of the world.

[1:01:39]

Henrik Palmgren: Very good. Thank you, gentlemen. We’ll take a short break right here.

And as Jack said, of course, the URLs, the links, the websites are going to be up on Red Ice Creations.com. But, yeah, we’ll take a short break. Stay with us. We’ll be right back with more.

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[Song – There’ll Always Be an England by Vera Lynn]

I give you a toast Ladies and gentlemen
I give you a toast Ladies and gentlemen
May this fair land we love so well
In Dignity and freedom dwell
While worlds may change and go awry
There’ll always be an England
While there’s a country lane
Wherever there’s a cottage small
Beside a field of grain
There’ll always be an England
While there’s a busy street
Wherever there’s a turning wheel
A million marching feet
Red, white and blue
What does it mean to you?
Surely you’re proud
Shout it loud
Britons awake!
The Empire too
We can depend on you
Freedom remains
These are the chains
Nothing can break
There’ll always be an England
And England shall be free
If England means as much to you
As England means to me!

[1:04:40]

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HOUR 2

[00:00]

Henrik: Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining us here in the second segment. We are speaking with Nick Griffin from the Alliance for Peace and Freedom. And also Jack Sen from British Renaissance.

Very interesting discussion here in terms of both what’s happening in England but also in Europe at large and what we need to do basically, to turn things around. Let’s actually pick up on something that Jack mentioned at the end of the first segment there, because I know you had some points on that Nick, in terms of, basically not really agreeing with Jack, what he said. So please first pick up for us and explain your disagreement there.

Nick: Yes, you know, obviously I feared this would be one of those discussions where we all agree on everything. Now, fortunately, now we don’t! [Henrick laughing] I’ve got to disagree with Jack on the idea that perhaps the politicians will listen and they will change things. Having been very, very closely involved, by far the most successful episode of, in terms of using the electoral process for a genuine nationalist party, in Britain, in British history, I’ve watched how, after the initial shock and they ground us down, I’ve got to say they’ve got the measure of people like us.

And because they learn internationally, they’ve got the measure of people like us, all across Europe. So the NPD in Germany used to worry them, so now they’ve got the Alternative für Deutschland and the NPD can make no headway. So they have replaced the threat of a rising, genuine national party with something which is some kind of hybrid and certainly doesn’t have a revolutionary mentality and doesn’t really understand the nature of the problem.

So they’ve got the measure of us. When, in the early early 2000s when the BNP was rising, the more we rose the more they attacked us. And the more they attacked us, the more people who were sick of politicians and felt that they were all the same were attracted to us. So it simply didn’t stop us. And an enormous amount of research was done, mainly funded by the Joseph Rowntree Trust, which is one of the the wealthiest of the far left grant making organizations in Britain. They did a lot of research into how to stop us.

They found that smearing wouldn’t basically work, until at that stage, the BBC started talking UKIP up. And they simply created a fake party. So it was a combination of fake parties, and false promises from existing politicians. They will will always be able to persuade the gullible voters. How even, the harder you work at a Nationalist party, to wake people up, once they’re awake, they then still look at who’s most likely get in and make a difference.

And I have had so many people come out to me in the last European elections, saying:

“I voted for you last time, it’s fantastic, you’ve done a great job, etc. I’d love you back in, but I’m going to have to vote UKIP because they’re more important to win. And let’s face it, they basically say the same as you anyway, but they’re less unpopular.”

And they can always pull that and if the one party collapses, they can simply create another. Or if, now they know what to do, if one party becomes too soft, then they create another, which is a little bit more hardline between the real nationalists and the soft kosher nationalists. And they can always do that. And when you add in the demographic problems, the fact that our people have given up on voting. And the worst it gets the more they will. The fact that, the minute ISIS and Al Qaeda really kick off — and we’ve seen absolutely nothing yet — there will be people heading to the doors by the hundreds of thousands.

Nationalists in Britain, we have always had a problem. London is obviously our capital city, and our vote was always always basically static, even as London was getting worse and worse. Because every year for thirty years, a hundred thousand White Londoners, left!

Henrik: Yes. Amazing!

Nick: Just as some of them were reaching a point when they would vote for a Nationalist party, they had their house on the market or they were looking to sell, and get out and go somewhere else. And [it’s] the same electorally, all over.

Henrik: Exactly. By the time they get to that mental place where they’re ready to say like, “This has to stop” then it’s like too late in the area where they are. So when they’ve experienced it enough then it’s too late. The same thing with, certain of these areas in Sweden. Same thing is happening there.

So let me ask you this, Nick. Did the mainstream media, because I’m trying to figure out, the tactic, the way, they managed to do this — because obviously the UKIP, the rise of UKIP then was aided by the mainstream media — did they just shift from, basically criticizing the BNP to UKIP, so that you guys didn’t get the same airplay, or how, or why did that happen?

[Image] The BBC’s “Question Time“, or in Nick Griffin’s case, “Inquisition Time“.

Nick: Well, actually, you can almost date it very, very precisely to the final stage of this, my appearance on Question Time. The BBC were convinced that by establishing, they set out to establish the Left wing mantra that the BNP were, particular myself, were fascist, racist, Islamophobic and homophobic.

[05:07]

And even when they let me speak, they only let me speak in order to establish:

“Well, what do you really think about Islam and what you really think about homosexuals?”

[Image] The BBC’s “Question Time” panel.

They only let me speak in order to establish those points. And to their horror, it was a complete stich-up. And we decided that I should go on and get beaten up on TV. So, therefore I was defensive, and I’m not particularly good when I’m defensive.

But, to the BBC’s horror, the week after the Question Time stich-up, the BNP support went up in the opinion polls, from, … It had never been above four percent, ever! And it went up to twenty two percent. So at that point, they realized that having Griffin on and letting him condemn himself, wasn’t going to work. And from that point they never, ever had me on any mainstream TV or radio channel, except when they absolutely had to under the law at election time.

[Image] Nick Griffin on BBC’s “Question Time” panel.

So that was the cut-off of point. Under their own rules they should have [had] me on Question Time, at least twelve times. And, instead only that one lynching, and, on the contrary, Nigel Farage was on Question Time, had been on Question Time, more than any other politician in its thirty two year history. So, they saw how to deal with nationalist dissent. And they dealt with it very effectively indeed. Having learned that lesson, they’re not going to change.

Jack: I think Nigel Farage has been on Question Time thirteen times, which is a remarkable number, if you think about it. I mean, he’s only been a public figure for less than a decade.

Nick: Did you say thirteen or thirty?

Jack: Thirteen. More than thirteen.

Nick: You know, it was twenty two several years ago.

Jack: Jesus, busted! So I made a mistake! I didn’t realize that. That’s quite a few times and yeah. Yeah, I don’t know why I thought thirteen. But twenty two, that works out two or three times a year.

Nick: Yes. And it’s now more than that, as well. So it’s gone on in a large scale. When you put those problems, because I don’t want to finish that bit of the conversation with:

“Just what the hell do we then? We’re all doomed, I’ve got to go and bow our heads or whatever.”

No, when you put that problem, together with the demographic, complete disaster in Western Europe, and the fact that there’s an equal demographic disaster in terms of decline in our own population, happening, for instance in Hungary. And the Hungarian government knows it! It’s not so bad, because they haven’t, at the same time, got waves of immigrants breeding like rabbits in their own cities as well, and out numbering them in their own country. But on present trends, the population of Hungary will drop from ten million now to two million by the end of the century. Other than the fact that there will be some five million gypsies. So the Hungarians will also be a minority.

Now the Hungarian government, which isn’t perfect, but it’s on a self radicalization path, they’ve realised this, so they are working to boost their population with present, rather crude, measures. But here’s the point. Very, very simply, when you have lost a battle. And we have lost the battle in Western Europe. If you stay in the battlefield in broken, broken segments, with basically no weaponry, no morale, no cohesion, you are simply going to be exterminated.

And where we are now in Western Europe, this is a shocking thing to have to say and it will shock a lot of people! And I would include large parts of Sweden and right from the top to the bottom of Western Europe. We’ve lost the struggle at present. Certainly to dominate Western Europe politically, and therefore turn things around.

We therefore, have to regroup somewhere where we can win. Which is Central and Eastern Europe. And our people, especially nationalists and young nationalists, they need to get themselves and their kids, or their grandchildren to countries like Hungary and Poland, which don’t want to commit suicide and help give them the numbers and the mentality to fight. To help warn their people, as genuine refugees, about what’s coming, coming next.

To make sure that the rich, fat cat liberals aren’t able to shift to those countries, after having ruined ours. They can stay and fucking well die in London and Stockholm, as far as I’m concerned! Pardon the language.

[Image] A jewish engineered Islamification of Europe!

So, we now need to do that and to ensure that Christendom, and the White race survives as the dominant force somewhere. And it can be done in Central and Eastern Europe, at the present. Another twenty five years time, if they don’t turn around what’s happening there, then you have a massive Third World population in Western Europe. They can build all the walls they want. Unless they’ve got large numbers of young men with guns, prepared to use them, behind those walls, those walls will be pushed down by the Third World.

[09:45]

Jack: I was going to say, if things get really bad, you don’t think there’s any way to, I mean honestly, I mean repatriating people could work. There’s no way you think that any government in the next twenty, thirty years will decide that repatriation of undesirables could be an option?

Nick: Well you hit the word on the head there, the “undesirables”. Yes. Repatriating the undesirables could probably be done. But in demographic terms, the undesirables aren’t the problem. It’s the ones who are perfectly desirable and perfectly OK in our county — they’re still a demographic disaster which converts us into a minority in our own country.

Jack:When I said “undesirable” I meant, … When I said undesirable I mean, pretty much, voluntarily repatriating people. All non-English people, and then probably involuntary repatriating the most undesirable population in the minority population. If the political climate in the country changes to such an extent that people realize they are losing their homeland, do you not think that our government will listen to the will of the people and possibly even forcibly repatriate people who do not belong in the country? Because they’ve never assimilated, they can’t assimilate, and there’s no way, there’s no way forward with them. I mean, they brought them at that some stage, so there’s no reason to remove people at a certain stage as well?

Nick: Well, bear in mind, first of all they brought them in not by accident. They brought them in to do what it has done to us. So just because it’s now creating chaos and trouble, they won’t want to reverse it. They were brought in to destroy us and it’s doing the job. The second point, is that it’s really the squeaky hinge, the people who push who get listened to and if there was any hint of any kind of serious repatriation program, then you would have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of the various different ethnics, mobilized, particularly around the Islamic banner and the far left and liberals, all turning out in vast numbers.

And you have the people who run the United States of America having colored revolutions, left, right and center, destroying the economy in order to stop any nationalist revival in any part of Western Europe. It’s simply isn’t realistic to believe that the public will wake up enough to be able, to be prepared to put their country through a state of civil war in the streets and having their economy crushed, from outside by the international banking cartels, and so on. People simply won’t do it.

So, no, it’s not, it’s not realistic. It’s not realistic even to say we can control our own streets. Because when we, when we were talking earlier about the arms that, you know, the Muslim community have and so on, … In a way the arms aren’t the problem. You can always get arms, you can always fight. It’s a mental thing! And the fact is, if you go into any, any gym, anywhere in, certainly Britain, I know it’s very similar in France and Belgium and so on. You won’t find young White men, very many of them, in the gym. You’ll find some Poles in Britain, that is about it.

[Image] Zack ‘King‘ Khan has become the first British Muslim to claim the prestigious International Federation of Body Builders (IFBB) title in 2009.

Most of the people in the gyms are young, are members of young ethnic minorities. The overwhelming majority of the Muslims or half castes or blacks who are about to become Muslim. And they’re training there in order to fight jihad. While young Brits, if they’re good on some Play Station game they think they are the bees knees. [laughter]The fact is we could not win a fight in this country at present. We don’t have a people with a mentality to fight. Ireland is a different matter, for instance, but not Britain and not Belgium and not France.

Jack: I would have to agree with you because of the fact that the vast majority of nationalists that I encounter on the Internet, hide behind pseudonyms and pictures of Thor and Odin. There’s not too many even nationalists who are willing to actually step up and show their face and get on to the street. It’s quite alarming. You won’t find any young Islamic male, covering his face. He probably covers his wife’s face.

Henrik: Well, but then Jack, Jack that is obviously because they do have more to lose in terms of, … They might have a family and employment, etc. If they show their face they might lose their job. I mean we, we do understand why many do that. It doesn’t have to, that doesn’t mean that, of course, that there isn’t people that might, might be in position where they can show their face and they just don’t want to, you know, something else is going on there.

But one point I feel I have to make here, is that, you know, many of the people who come to our countries, they have come voluntarily, right? I mean they have, at least this latest migration wave, they have walked into our countries themselves. They have fled from conditions that now are coming to our countries. We haven’t even gotten into the fight yet. We have much more to lose than they do, right? We shouldn’t underestimate the fact that when we get, really get into this fight. I mean, sure, we might have a state and a police force, a military even, that initially might turn on it’s own people in order to protect these minorities etc.

But what I’m saying is that when conditions get worse and worse, I think that we are going to see something which we have seen, you know, historically in the past, is that we step up to the plate, the whole game changes at that point. I think we’re not there yet, we still, we’re still in a position where we have too much to lose and that’s why I think we’re seeing what we’re seeing right now.

[15:00]

Nick: I think we can actually square the circle with this, because I agree with you there Henrik. For despite what I’ve said, apparently sounding rather different, I think it’s this. You talk about or we’ve been talking about, will people show their faces on the street? Well yes, when it comes to it, quite large numbers will. They will then find that the ones in the front ranks get their faces blown off by radical Muslims, and gangs aligned with them, armed with vast numbers of high powered, serious pump action shotguns and such like.

And any attempt by our people to organize to resist, which would involve obviously the use of armed force, will be ruthlessly crushed by our police forces as they desperately try to keep order. Not least, because they know more about our people, we’re easy to infiltrate than the ethnic minorities and the Muslims.

So, our armed resistance will be heavily, heavily restricted and repressed, where they’re basically allowed to do what they want, because no one can stop them. With the result that the casualty rate amongst our people is going to be horrendous. And the only way that people in West European countries will survive, is if they have contact with people in Central and Eastern Europe, who provide them with the assistance that they need.

And again, you can’t run a guerrilla war, which is what we’re talking about here — now, not saying we want to and this is going to happen — you can’t run a guerrilla without a secure base where you can train people, where you can recuperate, where you can educate people, and where you can store arms. And the Muslims have those secure places, in the mini-failed states of xxxx? And large parts of Bradford, Birmingham and London and god knows where else. They have those failed states where the police can’t go. We don’t.

And if there are going to be an organized armed White resistance in Western Europe it’s going to have to be based, spokemen are going to have to be based, it’s trainers will be based, and it’s quarter masters will be based in parts of Europe which have decided not to commit suicide. And that’s, and that’s where it’s going to be.

I have no doubt there will be a Reconquista*.

[*The Reconquista is the name given to a long series of wars and battles between the Christian Kingdoms and the Muslim Moors for control of the Iberian Peninsula. It lasted for a good portion of the Middle Ages from 718 to 1492.]

No doubt at all, because however many people they slaughter, the historical process of Islam is they slaughter the people who put up some resistance. The ones who submit, they enslave and they use, so the majority of the population of Western Europe will remain ours for potentially sympathetic minorities, such as the Sikhs or the Shia.

And in due course there will be rebellions and suchlike. And the sheer incompetence of most of these peoples, the fact one in four of the young Muslim born in this country is a congenital idiot because they will shag their second, first and second cousins. [Henrick laughing]. The fact that they insist on putting their women in black sacks, so once the health services basically collapses their next generation will all have rickets and all sorts of problems.

Once the White man fighting, we won’t have a problem overcoming them. Provided you got enough sons to lose half of them in war. Which is what we really, realistically looking at. Which is why I say, although the new party we’re going to form , yes it will fight elections, because elections are a way of bringing people in. They are way of giving us cover against being accused of being crazed extremists who have to be suppressed, before they start an armed revolution.

Elections have there place, but if anyone thinks elections are going to change things, then I’m afraid they’re going to find themselves sorely mistaken. And the road is much much harder, much longer and much bloodier.

Henrik: I mean it’s a horrendous picture and I do understand why you painted it Nick. And I also think, I also think that we have very different organizational skills as you say, we have a different level of creativity. There are many different ways, especially these days of fighting and I’m not encouraging anything here. I’m just trying to theorize a bit of what, what could happen when an engineer gets involved, when a technician, even a biomedical researcher or something. I mean there are tons of different things that this could, … Directions that this can go basically.

Jack: So I think Nick’s right. I mean, when he said that the majority of people in the gyms are young black Muslim males and I think of Britons. The average Briton has an almost pathological aversion to firearms, in this country. Remember only a few hundred thousand Brits even have firearms. In a country of over seventy million people. So it’s less than one tenth of one percent of the population has a licensed firearm in Great Britain.

And then you compare that to the vast numbers of the population of Afro-Caribbean people and Muslim people that live and breathe firearms, you have a major problem. In the United States things are a bit different, you know, the average white American has a fascination with weapons.

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Whereas Britons are almost fearful. I say that because my my wife, who keeps guns due to her background in sport shooting and hunting, has received a lot of flak from her friends who, when they find out that she does that, that she’s hunted and she’s killed a duck, unbelievably and eaten it. Can you imagine she actually ate the duck she killed! But it drives some of her friends ballistic and some people even scared even to bring their children, “Are you sure the gun is, you know, in the right place and sure it’s locked?”

And, you know, obviously in Great Britain it’s almost impossible to get a firearm without massive background checks. And the police inspect your home to make sure the gun is properly stored. And that it’s locked away. Even then, the average British person that we’ve encountered, when they hear that my wife, you know, we have weapons in the house, they are quite shocked. And I think that’s going to be something that people are going to have to overcome. That there’s something wrong with having weapons in the house. That there’s something wrong with, you know, even like Nick said earlier, the vast majority of young Englishmen are just playing video games on the couch. When they should be keeping in shape, going out, running, exercising, developing their minds, developing their self-defence skills. Just to defend their families even, not necessarily to engage in some kind of, you know, rebellion against the establishment.

But just literally, you know, a man should be strong and smart. And unfortunately, cultural Marxism has made it so men are weak, emasculated and unfortunately now, quite sick. And we need to change that. I think it has to be a complete shift in men’s mentality. Maybe we can even copy, I hate to say, copy the black mentality, but you see the way the black male, postures, at least in public. I don’t want to see young white men posturing out in public and picking fights, but certainly having more confidence in, you know, just strengthening their character would be nice.

We need to kind of, you know, reinvigorate the male figure and, you know, return to a patriarchal society would help. It’s very difficult with, you know, obviously feminism in all young women as they are. But I do think we need to have a transformation, a reshaping of the minds and hearts of young men in this country.

Nick:I’d say it’s absolutely so, reshaping the minds of young men and and young women for that matter. But to what extent can that be done in a society which is so rotten and so riddled with liberalism and Cultural Marxism, as all the countries of Western Europe? Earlier with spoke a little bit, on off, about the European Union, and the latest I’ve seen, I think they have now come up with, there are more than forty genders [laughter] a primary school child is allowed, can chose what gender they are.

Henrik: Right.

Nick: Now, why on earth would anyone in their right mind, want to rear a child, let alone children in a society where that is regard as normal or acceptable? In any normal society the lunatic suggesting that will either be laughed out of court or hung from a lampost! If people understood how really evil it is. And when you’re in a society where everyone goes along with that and they keep on watching the gogglebox, really you have got to think the revolution had to start not with blood all over the streets and everyone arming themselves.

It has to start with a husband and wife deciding that they are going to take the kid out of school. They are going to scrap the television. And they are only let the kids watch videos that they have chosen and they are going to educate their kids themselves with other like minded people in intentional communities. So how many kids are out of the mainstream, are perhaps even a temporary loss to our cause and our way of thinking, it’s a hardcore and growing hardcore who provide the leadership for the future rebellions and revolution. Which is of our minds and our blood.

Henrik: Yes. And don’t underestimate. The kids, there’s a lot of kids now that are rebelling against this Social Justice Warrior, you know, infection, that’s running rampant through our society. There are, there are people that are actually waking up to these, these kinds of questions and issues. Due to the fact that our governments are so vehemently pushing them, you know, upon them, right? And so we have to be there and this is already happening. It’s happening naturally, it’s happening, you know, through, through Reddit, through POL, through, you know, 4chan. It’s like, these kids are sick and fed up with it. They want structure, they want some kind of order. They want to have traditional, you know, family life. Traditional, you know, male female relations again.

I mean this is, we have to jump on that and, this is, we’re going to rebel against the mainstream and that’s happening now. We’re in a completely new place, I think now. So we shouldn’t, we shouldn’t underestimate all of the, … It’s a dire situation! But I mean, if we, if we think about it, things can change incredibly fast! We don’t have to rebuild society, we don’t have to even recreate the whole political structure. It’s just the minds and hearts of the people that need to be transformed!

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Nick: Absolutely so! And there is, if for some incredible reason we don’t have, our, basically civil war, just around the corner, … If the Wahhabis and the Zionists, between them don’t manage to reduce Europe to a smoking ruin, then there is an alternative, possible future, in Western Europe. To say, to think that these people can all be encouraged to leave and they’ll all go. It’s not realistic. And economically, our society now couldn’t do it, remarkably enough, because there simply wouldn’t be enough people to keep things functioning to keep the capitalist society going, going around.

You could do it if you gave up on capitalism, if you gave up on consumerism, if you have a banking revolution, a way of life revolution and go back, basically, to living on family farms. Then you could do it. I’d love that, but realistically our people aren’t going to want that to happen. They are going to want to keep on, you know, their nice cozy comfortable consumer society. So you can’t revolutionize it and you can’t get rid of those people.

And for that matter, you know, there’s fifty million native Brits and everyone’s got one good immigrant they wouldn’t want to see sent home. So that more than covers all of them. That’s not going to happen, but you could have a system where we develop something like Syria was before the usual culprits decided to destroy it. Where you got different communities who live side by side for hundreds even thousands of years and they work together and they play football together and they support the same national team and they are in the army together.

But when it comes to their kids falling in love and marrying and having other kids, it’s within their own community. If they’re Christians or they’re Druz or they’re Sunni or they’re Shia or whatever. I’ve been to Syria a number of times and you can see in Damascus still, that system. They actually found a way to make that work perfectly well.

But before it can work for our people, in fact before it can work for any of us, we have to ideologically, spiritually develop all of us, different ethnic communities as well, a complete set of antibodies to the genocidal level of deliberately enforcing integration and race mixing.

And we have to, all of us, develop, particularly our people, we have to develop, what the, most of the ethnic groups have, a proper pride in our own people and it is normal for your kids to grow up learning the songs that their grandparents knew. And it’s not uncool to sing those songs. You know, that’s what you do. And you could have a society, we’re never going to put it back to what it was, this side of a bloody revolution. But you could have a society where our people live side by side with them and our kids still grow up and have kids just like us. Which is a damn sight better than we are now!

But the only way you can possibly get that, is, if our kids and people like us come to understand that doing the right thing is something you have to do. That wanting to be with your own kind isn’t some kind of wicked sin. That you have a duty to rear your kids up to value our culture, our society and so on. And then you can have something like a peaceful solution, as long as in the end the ethnic minorities, or rather the other ethnic minorities understand that if they mess around with the Swedes or the English or the French, the Swedes, or the English, or the French are going to kick their arses!

Henrik: Well, I think, I think there’s going to be an economic collapse due to what we’re seeing right now. They’re warning people not to travel in Europe right now and definitely, you know, in Brussels, right. But, it’s going to have a tremendous impact on the economy. It’s going to have a tremendous impact on, you know, tourism and the fact that if more and more of these events happen, people are going to be scared. It’s going to shut down everything.

And frankly, when the “gibsmedat”* is gone, many of these people, they came for the welfare systems and all this. They are going to self deport! That’s, and I think that that’s obviously an ideal situation out of it, right? Because I think that we could, we could rebuild and we can, we have done that before there.

Look at Germany after the Second World War in terms of how they’ve rebuilt some of their infrastructure and stuff like that, and I don’t think it’s going to be that, that bad, to be honest. But, I think that a great travesty, like an economic collapse, is something that we can have work towards our favor. And I think, again, a lot of people would actually self deport in that situation.

*[“gibsmedat”: Ebonics – “give me that”. The perennial demand for more handouts. The African begging bowl mentality, combined with an attitude of entitlement.]

Jack: Well, I mean, if, … The Muslim endgame is total domination and replacement of the population and it’s culture with Muslim people and people then who are raped into submission. So, do you really think that they would self-deport if their intention for being here is not just to make money, but actually to convert the entire British, the entire country of Great Britain into an Islamic state?

Henrik: Yeah, but they’re so small right? Because it’s fairly, … It’s, I mean, that’s not the majority of people there in our countries, right? Am I’m wrong?

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Nick: No, you’re right, you’re right there. Because it’s, … You know, it’s not Muslim, it’s Wahhabi. All Wahhabis are Muslim but not all Muslims are Wahhabis. Of course, once you get to the stage of two communities falling out and burning each others houses down and all the rest of it, then the people in the middle tend to get squeezed and pushed to the extreme. So the large majority will go that way. But, even when you take all the Sunni Muslim population and you add in large numbers of the blacks and the half castes, who will tend to go with them as a way of hitting White society and a way of being somebody and all the rest. When you put that in, there’s not everybody else, there’s lots of, as you say, others, the Hindus, the Sikhs, the genuinely moderate ones who left their own countries to get away from that kind of lunacy. And the answer for them, is your right, to self deport. Because they have got somewhere quite comfortable to go.

I remember when we first, when we won our first little council seat in 2001, there was an opinion poll done by one the ethnic newspapers. I can’t remember which one. And they came up with a figure, something like thirty percent of the ethnic minorities in Britain were now actively considering whether at some point they would have to go back to their own homelands, because of the rise of the BNP. We won a council in a little bit of? Blackburn? with, I think, it was a total electorate of about 4,000. And thirty percent was saying, “We might have to go home”.

So you’re absolutely right. A lot would self-deport. But the ones who the real problem, the young violent fighting ones, simply won’t want to go and they’ll be a horrible mess before we sort that out. And because our elites are on their side more than on our side, that’s why, if it comes to that, we are going to lose big style, before finally our people, got to start fighting, but also develop the organization and the mentality to make sure that fighting works.

It’ll be far, far more comfortable, if by a combination of good luck, good fortune and people like us arguing against the English Defence League, Pamela Geller types:

“We’ve got to go to war with every last one of them”.

And if we’re very, very lucky, we might get to the stage, like I say, where we can create out of these multi racial hell hole shambles, something whereby our community has an identity and a pride and a cohesion within itself. And at point can survive, even as a minority, quite happily as the dominant minority for as long as it takes.

Henrik: It’s almost like that this is a kind of a cleansing going on of sorts, as society, and unfortunately I’m ashamed to say it, but I mean, our culture has just ended up in the toilet, and I mean it’s not directly our fault obviously. Because we have we have a lot of powerful people, a lot of money working on breaking, breaking down our our cultural cohesion, breaking down our, you know, our ethnic consciousness. You know, attacking us for who we are, making us feel guilt and shame for who we are, etc.

At the same time we have, we have allowed that, right? We have not had a defense system, we haven’t had the antibodies to fight this, we haven’t had the mind to fight this. And it’s almost like that the, the rot in our society is something that is being, you know, it’s being exposed right now. And the weak tenets of it is going to be, you know, eaten up by all these parasites, to be honest. [laughing]

And I wonder to a certain degree, you know, anything that is, anything that’s starting to die in nature, … I mean this is what happens, right? You have a lot of things just come in and that start to break that thing down, right? I mean, I can’t help to see it in that perspective. I think that this will be a, … What I’m saying ultimately is that, this is a good, it is a good thing, right? Because, I mean obviously as society stands right now, Western society, it’s not fit to survive! What do you gentlemen think?

Nick: I agree entirely with that. Yeah. And I think it’s very easy for people, … specifically in Western Europe thinking in terms of, well, if Western Europe sinks, you know, it’s the end of everything. It’s the end of our culture and our civilization, and of our race. And that is simply not the case. You know the United States of America is so vast that a white ethno state could occupy a fraction of it and still be a thoroughly viable, a wonderful place to live and rebuild.

And similarly, just as Rome collapsed, from point of view of Eastern Europe, Rome didn’t collapse. Western Rome collapsed, but Byzantium continued for another thousand years and then it shifted to the third Rome, Moscow.

So, just because Paris and London and Stockholm and so on, may well end up as occupied — just as Spain was occupied for seven hundred years — it doesn’t mean it’s all over for our people. And the key thing, a reconquista, as I said before, there will be a reconquista. A reconquista is about two things; force of arms, and it’s about the numbers that hold the land. And it’s just about having kids, lots and lots and lots of kids. That’s the bottom line of the whole damn thing!

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And if people get that, then inevitably we will win because of the incompetence of the other side, will eventually tell. Once people are forced to fight and if people don’t get it and think:

“Oh we’ve just got to fight on now and will win in ten years time, it doesn’t matter if I don’t have kids”.

If our people think like that, then when they’re old and childless, they’ll realize they’ve lost. Because even if they have won the land back, they haven’t got any descendants to hold it. Or for that matter, the thing I want to see, one last thing. When we go back to the Paris’ and the Londons, and the Madrids, and so on, and we flatten all the twenty and twenty first century Marxoid concrete horrors and all the rest of it, and when we rebuild the cathedrals and the great architecture of our ancestors, we don’t have to have enormous numbers to do that. We have to have some number of people who are living in a stable, healthy society, and that is going to be overwhelming living on their own farms.

Jack: What we need the media obviously to reprogram people to wanting to having children. I mean the vast majority of young people have no desire to have children. I have several friends who have no children and they’re in their thirty’s. My sister has no children and unfortunately the vast majority of young people that I know in my community have one or zero children. And they have no desire to have children. They have totally been indoctrinated from the cradle, until it’s too late to have children.

I don’t see how we can reprogram them until we control our education system, we control the media and control the, control the airwaves again. As it stands we have no influence over what’s on the television. We have no influence in what’s in the school books. And we have no influence on what people think. And so, until we’ve reprogrammed them I don’t see how anybody will even have, start having children.

Nick: You’ve got to look at certain groups. And because Americans has always been open to religious lunatics, and most religious lunatics, with respect to our American listeners, most of the religious lunatics of Europe for four hundred years have gone to America. So America has got more than their normal share of genes of people who are European descended and are slightly wacky.

Well if you look at, … I was reading, … Was it, Idaho, the other day, there was this enormous vote against Trump, only because it’s a Mormon state. Because the Mormons have lots of kids. It’s all about geometric progression and they are not one generation but three, four generations. And if you have ten families, all determined to have ten children, which is a human norm, then in the first generation after you do that, it doesn’t make a huge difference. The third, fourth generation after you do that, you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people. And that is it.

So, you can forget, … Don’t waste our time trying to reprogram people who think that they can be metrosexual and it doesn’t matter if they don’t have kids, someone else will look after them in their dotage. Leave them to rot and find out their own way, it’s not going to be like that. We have to set about, not trying to change everybody. But let’s all change ourselves, change our movement, change our friends, change our families. And when we find some who can’t be changed move on to somebody who can be.

Henrik: Yeah.

Nick: Nationalism has to be a sort of, a school for White Survival. And the first lesson is to reproduce.

Jack: It’s interesting you say that because I’ve been to the Mormon church a few times. I’ve got a good friend who’s Mormon. And my mother is actually Mormon. And it’s the one place where there is a semblance of normality. The people, … There are children running around and there are people that actually think in a more old fashioned manner. And it’s interesting you mention the Mormons, because they are probably the one group of people in the United Kingdom. There’s actually a large Mormon community in the UK. They are probably the one group of indigenous Britons that are having two and three and four children per household.

Nick: As are traditional Catholics as well.

Henrik: In Utah, they should have voted for Trump! Why did they vote against Trump? [laughter] Yeah, I know, I know. Anyway, yeah well, you know this is a really good point. I don’t know if, if the desire not to have children is, is genetic and there’s a predisposition to that genetically in any way. But what seems to be the case anyway, is that people who are more conservative minded are the ones that are having kids. You know, again, I don’t know if that’s just, is it just upbringing, is there more to it? But it’s interesting.

Nick: I don’t think it can be genetic, because if it was a genetic tendency not to have kids, it would self evidently have bred itself out.

Henrik: Exactly.

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Nick: So I think it’s the people who, … There’s a genetic tendency for people to conform. Especially when conforming within your own self, perceived self interest in practical and economic terms. So it’s the conformist who are breeding themselves out.

It’s the radicals and the crazies like us, who are most likely to carry on breeding. And there’s one other factor, one of the jokers in the pack. One of the things which persuades people to have kids is actually war. Whenever you have a war, birth rates go up. So at some point it’s quite likely that something will flip, very suddenly, as Henrik, you said earlier on, things can change in a blink of an eye, really. Something will flip and people will go from, feeling because they are in a multicultural society, subconsciously, that is not a good place to have kids, to suddenly feeling, subconsciously:

“We are at war, I might die, I’ve got to have kids!”

And that can change very, very quickly. We simply don’t, we simply don’t know. We have to hold out hope that it will and in the meantime, as I said before, and I’ll say it again, in case someone hasn’t yet got it, is that you don’t change the demographics of an entire country by waving a magic wand. You change it by the decision of an individual man and woman, and then another couple doing the same thing and another couple. It starts, listener, with you.

Henrik: Why are you alive, right? You know, there has to be an underpinning, an undercurrent that, you know, anchors them to their culture, to who they are, to their heritage, their ethnic consciousness and that, that is going to what makes them want to stay alive and continue who they are, right? That is what’s important.

Jack: And that’s why also, … just to go back to a point we made earlier. Why it’s so dangerous, this homosexual infiltration of nationalism, because we have people here that are entering nationalism and they are basically corrupting the minds of the people that will have children, moving forward.

And telling them that women are the enemy, families aren’t worth anything. And not to bother having families and having children, and that’s why I think it’s really important that, one of the primary messages we have in the nationalist movement is that people should be monogamous. Have one woman, to have a family, create babies, live in the countryside, hunt, fish, farm. Go back to traditional values. That’s why we should exclude people that believe that we should kind of promote or even accept alternative lifestyles and a kind of modernist lifestyle. We have to go back to traditional values, I think.

Nick: I agree absolutely. One thing I’d like to say on the back of that. I saw a response, I know who, I won’t say, because he’s not here to defend himself or to argue it. I saw a response from an American nationalist with quite a big reach and so on. He said:

“Yeah there’s no point having kids, because if you look at various nationalists, Don Black, David Duke and so on, you know, their kids haven’t grown up as nationalists.”

Now that’s missing the point. One thing, because actually, when it comes to, … If it is going to come to a shooting war, it doesn’t matter whether they were a nationalist last year or not. If they’re going to survive, they are going to be with us or not [survive]. So that is the first thing.

But the other is, having children is the first step. It’s then how you rear them. And for anyone to have, … And then again a lot of the, I think the Mormons and the traditional Catholics and so on, and the Muslims, they have already got this. First of all, you have the children and then you ensure you’re sufficiently withdrawn from the disgusting and decadent society around us. That you do enough of the rearing of them and the shaping of their values, to make sure there’s a good chance they’ll grow up like you.

The most dangerous lie the liberals tell of all is:

“Oh, if you indoctrinate your children they’ll rebel against it. So you mustn’t indoctrinate your children”.

This is what they say to the traditionalists. If they really believed that, why can’t they have a TV program or advert without mixed race couples, without multi-racialism? Why can’t they have a school lesson without indoctrination about the evils of slavery and all the rest of it? So they don’t believe it. It’s simply a con! The simplest thing is that if you have kids and then you let them watch the conventional television, you will lose those kids by the time they are sixteen.

If you have kids and you make sure, as I’ve said before, that you as a family decide what they’re going to watch. Then it’s a different matter. And perhaps in some parts of the world in Europe, until recently, you have children and send them to the state school and they would get a decent education. If you send children now to a state school, you are guaranteeing that they’re going to be brought up thinking that they can choose which are forty two genders they belong to!

So, you have got to toughen yourself up enough for that. And we’ve got to work on preparing our own curriculum. On teaching our own kids and teaching our community’s kids. And if they won’t let us do that in certain countries in Europe that we have to abandon that country, let it go down the tubes to hell, until one day our great grandchildren go back in, with heavy weapons, and take those countries back. That’s the reality of Europe today.

Jack:And this is something that weighs heavily on my mind, because I actually have, obviously, young children and, you know, whether to home school, whether or not to home school? Can we afford a private school, because we want to avoid sending our daughter off to the public school which will indoctrinate her?

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You mention controlling what our families watch. I mean, I hate to say this and I probably shouldn’t, but, I control what my wife watches because I’m petrified that, … I say, I probably shouldn’t say this, …yes exactly. I’m petrified that, you know, if, I noticed that when certain things are on the the television there’s a different discourse at the dinner table. So I try to steer the conversation and also steer what we watch on television and what we expose ourselves to. Because I know, point blank, that the stuff on television will just manipulate the minds of the, maybe the most vulnerable people in the household.

And certainly, I mean I’ll give you a nice example. When I was in North America about ten years ago my mother had a close friend who was married, had seven children. And my mother used to go to this kind of cooperative that was run by a Jewish lady. And the doctor’s wife, who was our neighbor, never went out the house, she stayed home and took care of the kids. The kids had turned eighteen, there was five of them. And this Jewish lady asked my mom to bring this lady to the cooperative. To sit down, drink tea and talk. My mother didn’t, my mother didn’t like them. But within six months of that lady actually going to this little kind of Kibbutz in the countryside, she divorced her husband.

So really, who your families interact with, is hugely important to maintaining the health of your family. So if they interact with people that are destructive, your family will end up destroying itself. So, television and who, as Nick said earlier, if someone is, someone is causing your family harm just by the way they think, shut them out, get rid of them and move on.

Henrik: I mean, television is a weapon. It has to be seen as that way. It’s something that’s being used against us to break us down. Equally on the opposite side, the media, which includes the news, television programs, movies coming out of Hollywood, is also something that actually can be used against the system itself. I think if you accurately, actually point out how they are seeking to manipulate you, how they’re seeking to distort the truth, how they’re seeking to turn you into something you’re not, etc. You will actually win people over to the fact that they will realize that:

“Oh, dammit, the whole system, this is what they’re trying to push on us”.

It will immediately insulate, not, no not immediately but, if you can accurately point out and show that to them, that basically means that you have a multi million dollar effort to try to control people, that is now actually turned against itself. Right? It just like jujitsu or something. You’ve turned that force and the energy that they’re trying to push on you, against them. And that’s what we continuously have to have people who analyzes the news and even television shows and media and so.

If you do you watch it, actually do take some time and watch it. But analyze it at the very least. Talk with your family about it, talk with your kids if you see something, educate them, tell, tell them what’s going on, so that we can use that as a weapon itself. That’s what I would say.

Jack: The Mormons are quite good in actually shielding their children from the sort of stuff and that’s why those children end up being quite healthy growing up. I think it’s easier to try and shield your family from this sort of thing. I don’t know if children are able to comprehend what they are seeing. Obviously, just get indoctrinated and then you lose them. Because they will go to school, they will have friends outside the household. So it’s probably easier in the short term to move to the countryside, surround yourself with healthy people who think as you do and then hopefully your children will grow up strong.

You know, on a societal level, certainly I agree that it’s good to talk to our children, because they’re going to be exposed to things. But I’m hopeful that I’ll be able to raise a family where we won’t be exposed by [to] those things. Maybe it’s a pipe dream? You know, maybe I’m living in dreamland, but I really hope that I can, you know, move my family to a place in the next couple of years where we will be away from all these problems. And that they want to think about these things moving forward. We could be happy and peaceful, safe and my daughter will grow up very traditional and old fashioned.

Henrik; Right, right. Well and also, additional points here on the demographics that, I think we shouldn’t also be too freaked out about the projections, right? Because, they have, historically they have gone up and down, drastically! I mean you look after the Black Plague, something like, what a third of Europe was was wiped out?

And after the First and Second World War? It’s initially not about, you know, quantity. I think it is about quality first and foremost and then that quality can actually go on to create a quantity. You know, so we have to think about it differently in all these projections, it might not be true, you know. I mean, obviously we have to warn people so that they, you know, get incentivized to actually have children, more children, etc., but it can change rapidly. So, you know, we shouldn’t get too disheartened and discouraged by that.

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Nick: The projections are true. It’s simply the iron laws of mathematics and reality. But, it’s always a question off, “on present trends” and trends can change. But there’s no economic reason for them to change, at all. There’s no media reason or Government ruling body reason for them to change. They are very happy, the people who run the West, are very happy with what is happening.

So the change can only come from individuals and people within the movement. Which is why it’s so important that we, that our people get it. And constantly talk about it, to hammer it home. So it becomes a normal thing just as you can recognize a Catholic family, or a traditional Catholic family. Because they are larger than a normal family. Or equally, see a large family, it’s probably because they are nationalist. Over the course of two or three generations that will change the balance of our society. You don’t need that many people who are confident and organized to totally transform a society and to lead everybody else.

So, all we need is a significant number of people who are confident and organized. And it struck me, … I always think it strange how nationalists who, … We are long termists, you know, instinctively and ideologically, and then nationalists who talk about a future for our children and how society will still be here in a thousand years, and all the rest of it. But then, they don’t seem to get the that fact that, there has to be a link in the chain. And the link in the chain is the individual kids and the individual family.

Henrik: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I want to ask you about something else here. We’re coming up at the end here. So we make sure to squeeze everything else in here towards the end to that you guys want to make sure we get out and get to. But, the European bureaucrats I think are using to see that, they’re seeking to use terrorism, for their own advantage. They never let a disaster go to waste. We’ve seen, now in Brussels, we’ve seen it in Paris twice, it’s been in London, it’s just the beginning I think, right? But no one, no one ever, anywhere, as far as I heard, is actually talking about the very fact that:

“Oh it’s immigration that is causing these problems, we need to close the borders, we need to get our population under control”.

No one is talking about this, right? But they are talking about however, is to create an intelligence network, to begin to share information across these so called borders, which doesn’t even exist internally in Europe anymore. And they’re also seeking, I think, to create a federal police force, maybe within the military, etc. What’s your take on this Nick? Is it, … Because, they’re very happy when this occurs, because there is a great opportunity for them to push the further federalization of Europe, right?

Nick: Yep! You know I, you know I’ve been there, I’ve I sat with them. I’ve gone on missions to different places with them. You know, heard them talking after they have had a drink. And the exact phrase they use, and they use it as a sort of joke, but they mean it, is:

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”.

The European dream, or nightmare to us, of this ever closer union. At one stage they thought it was going to be achieved through, economics and through Schengen and all the rest of it. And they have been blocked in that. But when they’re blocked in one direction they simply cast around to something else that can be done. And you’re absolutely right. That the, if the sheeple can’t be dragooned into wanting a Federal Europe in due course, moving toward One World. If they can’t be dragooned into it with economic bribery or economic blackmail, then a security threat, …

“You know we don’t want to give up our freedoms, but we’ve got to”,

that is the most effective of all.

When these people talk about, we have to have, you know, Europe security and we have to have a Federal police force in order to guard against terrorists. I’ll tell you how bogus that is. When I was last in Damascus, I was with some comrades from the APF in the office of the Minister of Information. And on his desk he had a pile of books more than two feet high, and these were books, each book was from a different country.

From Britain, from France, from America, from Belgium and all the rest. And each book was the intelligence files that they had on the jihadists, ISIS and al Qaeda, fighting in Syria who had come from all those countries. And, they had, each file had a photograph, had the details where they were from, everything that was know about them, where they were fighting. Some were dead, but some of them were still alive. And they’ve got all this intelligence. And they said:

“We’ve repeatedly offered this intelligence to all the European nations and to the USA, to their governments and their intelligence departments. And they refused to accept it from us, because to do so they say would be to recognize the Assad government.”

So in all probability, you know, the fighter, who even the Turks were saying this man is a foreign jihadists, who was responsible for the murders in Brussels, the other day. His details were almost certainly in the book that the Syrian Intelligence officers who at great risk to their own lives.

Because these are people who operate in jihadist controlled areas, that had identified, and that their information which would have allowed that man to be caught, was still sitting on the desk of the Minister of Information in Damascus. Because the British government, the Belgian government and the EU and the Obama regime won’t go to them and say:

“All right, we recognize that you are the legitimate government of that country, now please give us the intelligence so that we can stop these people killing people in our own countries.”

And until they do that, which of course they won’t do, then any claim that they have, that they have to have further powers in order to deal with terrorism, is a lie!

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Henrik; Hmm, Yeah. Yeah, absolutely! Well gentlemen what else should we, you know, talk about here, towards, as we approach the end here. Is there anything else that’s important that you guys think our audience should be aware of and know about. Jack, let’s begin with you.

Jack: No, I think we covered a wide variety of topics. I would just ask that people watch the videos on the channel. And stay tuned for more. We’re going to create a nice library of videos. We’re doing one on immigration and the impact it’s had on Great Britain. Possibly filming in Bradford and possibly even doing a video about the destruction of the nation’s capital.

We’re thinking about having a camp at some point as well. Possibly a training camp where we can bring in young nationalists to learn about what’s transpiring and how, what they can do to change things. And now I’m looking forward to working with the APF and Nick. It’s been a good month and I think we’ve accomplished quite a lot and we should be accomplishing a lot over the next six months, as well.

Henrick: Very good. How about you Nick?

Nick: Well the full URL of the APF, I’m looking it up here, and as I say it’s going to be improved because you’ll understand why. It’s “alliance” then a hyphen “for” hyphen “peace” hyphen “and” hyphen “freedom dot com”. That’s what happens when people set up things they don’t understand how the internet works. [laughter]Alliance for peace and freedom dot come with hyphens all the way through it. You can follow me on Twitter @nickgriffinbu. “bu” stands for “British Unity”.

You can also find me on Facebook, if you look British Unity Party. We’re working on, as we discussed a little bit. We are working all a proper launch for a genuine hard line nationalist party in Britain. And Jack and I and others are working on that. If you keep an eye on those place you’ll find out more, in due course.

I do hope to reiterate to people wherever you are in Europe or the United States, Australia, wherever, if you are one of us you are very very welcome in the Alliance for Peace and Freedom. You will get the chance to rub shoulders with some of the most notorious ne’er-do-wells in modern European politics, such as Golden Dawn and the NPDs, so don’t miss out on that chance. One last commercial slot for me, if I may. In Hungry on the 23rd of July. I’m involved, and the APF is involved with a coalition of different nationalists and cultural groups and so on, and proper decent churches as well, for, … It’s to put a big pro-life march out in Hungry, because Hungry’s anti-human abortion laws which were designed by, and put through by a previous socialist government.

In Hungary now you’ve got a government which is well to the right of UKIP or Trump and an opposition party, who are only people I have ever known who is concerned should they be associated with Nick Griffin. Because they thought I might be too moderate. And now they are the official opposition. And yet they still got this archaic law whereby, although the government is spending lots of taxpayers’ money to encourage people to have kids, at the same time they still effectively got abortion on demand. They want to move to the position that they had say in Poland where there’s abortion in the real heart rending cases. You know, rape, real risks to the mother’s life, terrible handicap in the unborn child. And because they got that they have 700 abortions a year. That’s all, in the whole of Poland.

And the Hungarians want to shift their government, they have got a real chance of shifting their government, and thereby, not only, forget the moral Christian angle and so, as a hardcore nationalist, if you want, just think about it in demographics. They got the chance of persuading their government to radically transform that law to encourage more Hungarians to go ahead and have more children.

So we’re holding a pro-life demonstration, as a part of a big campaign to encourage the government to change the law and do the right thing. And there is going to be a big, big demo in Budapest, which is a fantastic city to visit. It really is with lots of really good nationalists on 23rd of July. Things going on the whole of that weekend and we hope to see people from all over our world there.

Henrik: Wonderful! Very, very good. Is there any specific, like website or something that people can go to, to try to join in on that, if they want to actually be there?

Nick: Yes, it’s going to be “March for Life Hungary”. It’s about to be launched on that. If you’re looking for “March for Life Hungary” on the Alliance for Peace and Freedom or just generally on the internet, or follow me on Twitter @nickgriffinbu, then you’ll get all the information you need. But the date is set in stone, 23rd of July, hope to see you there.

Henrik: Very very good. OK, well thank you gentlemen. Very interesting and excellent to have you both with us. Thank you both for your time today and also of course for the work you do to help spread the word about the difficulties and also of course the, the interesting and challenging times that we are in.

I think it’s a fantastic time to be alive and to fight for something and to really get into something which has it, which is a cause that few people get to experience. So, I’m actually, despite everything and despite how horrible the conditions are, I’m excited about the fact that we are at a stage where we can actually take part in this. So, thank you to both of you again for doing what you’re doing.

Nick: Thank you.

Jack: Thanks for having us.

Henrik: There you go ladies and gentlemen, that’s our show for today and that wraps up this week. Thank you for listening. Intense but probable. Just remember one thing, Europa is ours! We are not going to give up Europe. Ever! It’s just not going to happen!

Thank you for being a member. Some exciting announcements coming shortly. We’ll let, you know more about that soon. We have upcoming, Frank Horei, Jan Ott, Rob Kieski, Oscar Turner and a round table from Australia and New Zealand. All in the pipeline. Have a great weekend my friends. Take care of yourself and your family. Talk more soon.

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