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Kevin MacDonald, Tim Murdock
& John Friend
Invasion of Europe
Published on Sep 22, 2015
RED ICE INTRODUCTION
Kevin MacDonald, Tim Murdock & John Friend – Invasion of Europe
September 21, 2015
Dr. Kevin MacDonald, Ph.D. in Biobehavioral Sciences, is the editor and chief contributor of The Occidental Observer, which presents original content touching on themes of white identity, white interests, and the culture of the West.
Tim Murdock is the host of White Rabbit Radio and the voice of Horus the Avenger, bringing awareness to White genocide through the widely circulated memes, “Diversity is a code word for White genocide” and “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White” and other popular animations.
John Friend is an independent blogger and journalist who maintains The Realist Report, focusing primarily on the events of 9/11, WWII revisionism, media deception and psychological warfare, power and influence of the Zionist Lobby in America, and the systematic assault upon traditional Western European civilization.
In this special roundtable discussion, we focus on the burgeoning immigrant invasion of Europe and the controlled mainstream media’s contrived web of lies covering the mess. We begin with a look at the design and tactics of the campaign that is pulling on the heartstrings of White Europeans, and signs that the official narrative is beginning to crumble as people wake up to the absurdity of the situation. John describes the press’ coverage of the crisis, which plainly indicates their ruling elites’ central role in promoting the resettlement of non-Whites in Europe and America. We discuss the absence of any MSM video footage that would shine a negative light on the hostile “refugees,” a majority of whom are extremely aggressive male Muslims with a particular disdain for Europeans.
We get into the attacks on US presidential candidate Donald Trump for his open support of White interests, along with the hypocrisy of the outspoken political elite in regards to the demographic and economic questions of the immigration debate. Further, we look at the speed in which the Zionist agenda to overthrow the Middle East using Western capital is moving, and Tim points to indications that the managerial class is growing suspicious of the global agenda and the mission of multiculturalism for only European countries. Kevin emphasizes the history of cataclysmic social upheaval that has been created by Jews, and the ideology of past movements that have been aimed at deconstructing the ethnicity of the Western people. Then, our focus turns toward simple memes that can be used to counteract the psychological warfare that has brainwashed society to believe in the utopian dream of diversity. To round things off, we speculate on what moves the hostile elite could have up their sleeves in what is shaping up to be a full-on clash of civilizations on European homelands.
Henrik Palmgren (HP): Welcome back, I hope you’ve had a good weekend. This is Henrik and thank you very much for tuning in today. We are glad to have you back with us once again.
This is Red Ice Radio, an independent radio program and news website, opinions, videos and much more. We are concerned about the corruption and the utter destruction of the West. And there is no liberal, democratic, egalitarian straitjacket on the minds of the people that run this program. We know what lies there are and how they have been used to disarm us, both morally but, also intellectually and have us go against our own nature. And now because of it we are paying the price.
So we fight uncompromisingly for the rights of our our people that the hypocritical left and the Cuckservatives (aka, Conservatives) and so-called Right, extends to all of the groups, races and identities, but denies it to ours. They do this as they refuse to recognize that it is our people that have brought these ideas to the rest of the world. But now would want nothing more than to flood into our lands and enjoy the fruits of the hard work of our ancestors that fought and built the societies and the countries they did, for their descendants. And now, these so-called adults in our lands, these descendants that have been subject to cult-like brainwashing by the elite cultural Marxists, who run the media, or in their decadence and lack of historical appreciation, advocating for the abolition of their own people, willingly or not.
All for the sake of fulfilling some imposed morality and an external sense of virtue that is really about signaling their goodness to others. To score points in the most vain and narcissistic way. Nothing of this when you study the psyops (psychological operations) and the hijacking of biology, sociology and anthropology have sprung naturally from their own desires.
What we have witnessed in Europe in the last few weeks is really, like nothing else, and it is unbelievably destructive. Politicians openly, are talking about the permanent transformation of our European countries. This can’t go on and it has to stop. Especially when you know what the elite politicians and the establishment behind this are saying and what their true intentions really are.
We know it’s genocidal. We know that they are turning their backs on their own people. White majority countries must the assume accommodate millions of foreigners, whether as immigrants, illegal immigrants or genuine refugees. As other non-White countries can pursue objectively highly enthno-centric policies with absolute impunity.
And in these days any problem found outside of Europe is perceived as both Europe’s problem and Europe’s responsibility to fix.
And I hear no Social Justice Warriors (SJW) or any alternative truth seekers taking the full step in denouncing the elite’s agenda here. That are basically and are fundamentally an endorsement by the Marxist left.
And they hardly speak out on this issue at all. They are adopting the mainstream narrative and they are more than happy to smack labels, such as, white supremacist, racist or neo-Nazi on any true opposition to the elites and their goal of what displacement. I mean, it’s brilliant. Who knew that it would be so easy to stop even the most radical truth seekers and alternative anti-establishment activists.
Opposing the agenda that is pushed by elite equals bigotry. And this is how they get their will through. This is how they do it. This is how you get everyone, and I mean everyone, across-the-board, salivating at the sound of the proverbial politically correct little bell that they are ringing.
The solution to this is to just simply speak the truth. Be honest, and say what you feel and say what do you think. I mean, in these times of openness and tolerance, … I mean that’s the contradiction here, it’s actually leading to the opposite. Self-censorship and tight opinion corridors, as we say in Sweden. And we have to break out of this, otherwise it is over.
You see, for the majority of White people, they can NEVER simply just take their own side. And this is how brainwashing works. This is how this cults work. That they have become initiated into it, without even realizing it. They just repeat whatever they’ve been told to repeat and they offer no real valid criticism to the talking points that are coming from the Alt-Right (Alternative Right) or the New Right. The true source of the rebellion of our times. The true source of the opposition to the obvious genocidal anti-white maniacs that we have running our own countries right now.
And that’s what we going to talk about here today with Kevin MacDonald, Tim Murdock and John Friend.
They all have a unique but also related view on what is happening in Europe, but also, the rest of the West. America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and many other countries founded by Europeans. And they have studied the behavior and the ideology of the elites who are behind it.
Kevin MacDonald is the editor of the Occidental Observer and author of “The Culture of Critique.”
Tim Murdoch is with whiterabbitradio.net and John Friend is from the Realist Report.
Stay tuned for an extended segment on the Invasion of Europe. Welcome gentlemen! We had you all on the program before. Kevin MacDonald, Tim Murdock and John Friend. It’s great of all of you to to join us. Thank you so much. I’m going to skip the formal introductions and welcome here and all that.
If we can go straight into this extremely urgent and pressing topic about the flooding, the invasion really, into Europe, that has been turned up now to an enormous level in the last few weeks.
I’ve never seen anything like it. The footage that that is coming out. Not the footage that has been coming out in the mainstream of course. The mainstream media is contrived and it’s controlled spin to lie as much as possible about the kinds of people that are coming in. We don’t really know they are from. The fact that these are all, as it looks like, young man of good fighting age, as it were.
But it, it is so absurd. And there are a ton of components of this that we need to talk about in regards to what is happening and what is going to happen in the future of Europe and where this will lead.
The fact that even ISIS, openly have said, that they want try to flood Europe, with up to 500,000 people. We have seen weapons being shipped into Greece, one of the islands, in these containers. So the question is, what is going to happen when these people are starting to take over an area as have already happened in certain cities. And weapons are being shipped in. The naïve stupid traitors that we have in government that will continue to deny that this is a problem. Even when there is a full on war in the streets of Europe.
I just wanted to get some of your initial thoughts gentleman, before we go deeper, into some of the specifics of what is going on and what is driving this. So, let’s just make around here, if you will.
Kevin, let’s start with you. What’s your initial thoughts when you have seen what is happening right now in Europe?
Kevin MacDonald (Kmac): Well it’s horrifying. It really is. It is extremely sad to see this. As you say, we see these, … We see a full blown media campaign to distort who the immigrants. We see politicians who are making pronouncements about moral responsibility and so on. Angela Merkel is probably the worst here.
But even the Germans, .. It’s heartening that even the Germans are having to put up borders. And it’s very encouraging that Eastern Europeans are not going along with this.
Victor Orban in Hungary is not going along with it, and I do think that this sudden increase is going to make people aware. That slow trickle, that sorts of gets under the radar, when you have a sudden increase like this, … People, even the media spinning it, this has to put terror into the hearts of a great many Europeans. Because it’s going to be very very hard to shut your eyes to what is going on here. To keep believing that this is all going to work out, for the best.
HP: Tim, let’s switch over to you. What is your initial thoughts?
Tim Murdock (TM): My initial thoughts have always boiled down to one simple phrase, “White genocide”.
I mean here you have a classic example of the Western elites and all these crazy traitors and the NeoCohens (aka, NeoConsevatives; aka, NeoCons) all rooting for this stuff. They are flooding Europe with non Europeans.
And, you know, it’s just the typical sort of thing that they pull. And the average European people have, of course, not voted for it. They are not going to vote for it, if they are allowed the chance to vote for it. They are going to throw them out. And it’s never going to come to a vote. You know. And it just becomes a question of where they are going with all this. And why are they moving so fast?
There are only into reasons you throw a frog in boiling water. One you expect the frog to jump out or you are in such a big hurry that you don’t have a choice and you are trying to boil frogs. You know?
TM: The amount of awareness, … Every time they do these events, … The last event, of course, was all these kids coming from South America. And the level of awareness, the type of feedback that someone like me gets, … And I’ve been on the front lines dealing with these particular memes, these White genocidal memes, since, … Well, the website went up in 2010. So every time they do such an event like this the awareness goes up several times. The type of feedback that someone like me gets, … This is ten times that!
You know, for instance, someone is sitting in a pool out west, and he announces to the pool, that, “Yes, he’s going to start fighting against White genocide”. And everyone, like, “Yes!”, they have heard of White genocide.
That’s what’s coming, that’s what it is boiling down to. That this type of thing is crazy. It’s crazy to do. And, you know, this particular enemy does not have a history of moving really quickly. Unless they are going to war or something.
HP: That’s right, exactly. John, what’s your initial thoughts on what we’ve seen on the invasion into Europe?
John Friend (JF): Obviously I agree with what Dr. MacDonald and Horus just said. And I’ve been following the situation as well. I’ve posted some interesting videos, some horrifying, frankly, of the situation in Europe over at my website, and I have shared them on my twitter feed. And it kind of shows what type of people are actually coming into Europe. And they are all young men, military aged men. And they are being very disrespectful to the authorities. They are blocking trains and causing all sorts of havoc. And it’s just simply outrageous with what is going on. And as I’m sure everyone here is aware of, on my website I pretty much strictly follow the Jewish press. And just try to get an understanding of what they are promoting and what they are saying. You know they have been writing a lot about this refugee crisis in Europe and also in America.
And one thing that I think that needs to be understood, is that, this, I mean, this invasion of the West, this invasion of Europe and the United States has really been going on for a very long, long time. I mean, it’s really been played up and hyped up in the media now, because it is sort of a crisis situation. But we’ve been flooded with the non-Whites, very hostile aliens for decades now. And that’s something that really needs to be emphasized and pointed out.
But one thing I’ve found that is absolutely outrageous — of course it’s very typical of how the organized Jewish community operates on an international level — I came across an article in the Times of Israel. I’ll just read you guys the headline, it kind of says it all. It says here, “With the world watching the refugees Jewish coalition sees chance to boost aid.” And then it says, “Long hampered by lack of funds international Jewish relief organizations hope to draw empathy and donations for new programs in Europe.” And this article goes through and describes that this international network of Jewish charities, and you know, Jewish ethnic organizations that are specifically advancing Jewish interests. And how they are playing a central role in facilitating, supporting and advocating the re-settlement of non-White people in Europe and America. And this is something that’s been going on for decades now.
And over at Dr. MacDonald’s website, there’s a really good article up right now titled, “On Jews, History and Refugees” which gets through some of these facts. And again it’s just outrageous. It’s, again very typical of what we are seeing from the organized Jewish community and their central role in promoting this invasion is critical and needs to be pointed out.
And again we see article on a daily basis almost, coming from Israel, coming from websites like the Times of Israel, The Jewish Daily Forward, The Jewish Telegraph Agency, Haretz a mainstream Israeli newspaper. Talking about Israel, the leaders of Israel are doing everything in their power to identify, arrest, deport illegal aliens from Israel. You know illegal, non-Jewish aliens from Israel. And they are not just illegal. I mean you have to be a Jew to gain citizenship in Israel, from what I understand.
You know, you are sort of treated like a second class citizen if you are not Jewish. And, you know, the hypocrisy on display here is just outrageous, it is infuriating. It’s so obvious anymore, it can not be ignored. And people need to be confronted with this information in a major way. Because what with are seeing is absolutely, you know, … I don’t even have words for it. It’s simply just outrageous. We are talking about the total destruction of Europe and America right before our very eyes. And the Jews are playing the central role in all of this.
HP: Well again if we were to listen to Barbara Spectre, Gregory Gysi out of Germany recently and many many others. We understand that this is something that benefits their agenda massively. Let’s talk some more about that later in terms of what’s driving this and what not.
Let me switch over and talk about, … These are allegedly Syrian refugees, I mean I don’t even know whether the entire media is pushing this narrative only because we can clearly see that there are Africans coming in. There are people from many other countries besides Syria. So that’s falling apart as well. But what I’ve been surprised by is the footage that we have seen coming out of, mainly from Youtube and you know, independent people just filming what’s happening on the street level, how ungrateful the people are there coming in. There are complaining on [about] the tents that they are sleeping in. They are throwing away bottles of water. They are throwing away food. It’s an extremely hostile environment. I’m not saying that I would be fine with, if this was all the Syrians flooding in because they were fleeing from war, or that’s okay in itself. But the very aspect that there is a lack of, you know, being grateful for the fact that Europe is taking this in. That’s what so extraordinary here, that there is this hostility from day one.
Gentlemen, any comments on this?
TM: Well I mean it’s just typical, typical. The last particular interview we did, was, “Why Diversity is a Lie” and it gets more and more over the top every day in the quotes. And people are starting to respond to it. I mean, if you go back to what John said. And in social media everyone is pointing out this hypocrisy between Israel, between the Jewish elite keeping the Jewish homeland free of refugees and free of illegal immigrants and so on and so forth, and the direct opposite of what they are supporting for us, for America or Europe.
The level of awareness of this type of thing is, … All it’s doing is feeding on it.
Kmac: I’d also like to comment on the idea that these immigrants are hostile to the traditional peoples and cultures of the West. And that’s really been true in that, especially with the Muslims in Europe for a long time. It’s actually encouraged by the media and political elites because it’s, … In general, Western culture has been portrayed as evil.
You know, all we hear about, this slavery, colonialism and all that sort of thing. And the idea that these immigrants should look up to Western culture, be grateful or anything like that is completely beyond the pale. These people are not going to be that way. They are going to be a hostile, discontented very unassimilated group that are basically are going to be a majority unless this stops. So it’s actually a disaster.
TM: So I think, I think what they might want is in fact a clash of civilizations. If you have a thesis, you have this giant war against terror, which is all the neoCohens.
Then you have the antithesis, you flood the West, you give the West your exact problem that you face in the Middle East, of a hostile Muslim, Muslim mass.
All over Western civilization we are getting the same thing.
And then, of course, what’s the synthesis?
Well the synthesis is this clash of civilizations, WW III, which I think the neocons are in fact pushing. I think that’s their agenda here. I just don’t know what exactly is going to crystalize the escalation or exactly how it’s going to end up, but I think it’s very much intentional.
JF: Yes, no doubt. And there’s a couple of videos, one is entitle, “Migrant Crisis — the footage the media refuses to broadcast”. And the was put out by, I believe it was Joe Paulson? What is his name? Joe? Joe Paul? There we go. And he’s with Alex Jones, InfoWars Prison Planet. And it’s a really good video on Youtube.
I’ve published it on my website and I’ve also shared it on Twitter and, you know, other social media. And there is another really good video, entitled “End Times — Europe Crumbles Under the Devastating Impact of Mass Immigration”, and it’s, you know, a really good video and people need to share this with their friends and family, because it really gives a good depiction of what’s really going on. And what type of people are coming into Europe and America. And, you know, this is something that I’ve written about, and talked about, you know, on my website and for American Free Press. And it’s this, you know, this ridiculous idea that we’ve been promoting. That the organized Jewish community, the neocons, the Israel Firsters, all the Cuckservatives that support the Jews and Israel. And, you know, put their interests ahead of White peoples interest. You know, they have been promoting this idea of a global war on terrorism.
And of course 9/11 kind of kicked off the global war on terrorism. And I’ve done a lot of research into 9/11 and there is absolutely no doubt that 9/11 was done by Israel and an international network of Jewish criminals to kick-start the global war on terrorism which Jewish intellectuals and Jewish military strategists and neocons, had, you know, sort of concocted and devised, going back to the late 1970s.
I mean, these people literally created this paradigm of a global war on terrorism in which the West needed to unite and wage war on all of Israel’s enemies in the Middle East.
And that’s exactly what’s happened since 9/11 and, you know, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, what’s going on in Syria. The war mongering and the fear mongering relating to Iran. And, you know, that’s exactly what we’ve seen since 9/11.
So the mass media is telling Americans and Europeans, that, you know, that there’s, you know, this threat of radical Muslim terrorists, you know, they might attack the West and there are these barbarians, you know, they chop off peoples heads, etc. And at the same time they are telling us that we need to welcome these very people into our countries and treat them, you know, as if, you know, they deserve all these benefits. They, you know, we need to give them food, we need to give them water, we need to give them housing. They are literally displacing us in our own lands while we are supposed to be fighting them over in their lands at the same time. It’s absolutely ridiculous!
HP: Well, exactly. The frustration for me is quite a bit, I mean it’s all well and good with people who are aware, they are politically, you know, engaged. They can see some of this. But, I wonder what it must the the be like for the average people out there, who are basically, still, you know, getting the version, they are, you know, being played on their heart strings basically. They are getting the official version in the media and then at the same time, hopefully some of them can see what is happening on the street level.
But you referred to a couple of clips there John. I’m just going to play a couple. And I know this is audio only. I encourage people who are listening as well to check out the videos, so I’ll add links to them, so that you can see the footage.
Well let me just play, you know, let me just play a few of these here. It’s like recently in Germany, your average tram experience here. Let’s listen to this:
(immigrants shouting and screaming in Arabic while being riled up by some preacher type.)
We have in Hungary:
(immigrants shouting and screaming in Arabic.)
This is a complete mess. Everyone is running around screaming, “Fuck you!” to the police:
(immigrants shouting and screaming, “Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! …”)
And the disconnection I was talking about, which show would you like? Just look at, … What’s Holland’s response to this? What’s Holland doing?
(playing audio of Dutch singing a welcome song)
They are greeting them with song, “Welcome to my country, …” they are singing. And then we switch over to Paris.
(immigrants shouting and screaming in Arabic.)
It’s like a full-on war in the streets. A completely out of control riot.
(more immigrants shouting and screaming in Arabic.)
I could go on and on with these clip, but I want to show you something out of Denmark too, in a second.
(Danes, with background piano music, reciting, “Young refugees, we with you, you enrich our life. Not only socially and economically, but culturally as well.”
Cut to immigrants shouting and screaming in Arabic.
“We know didn’t flee to something, but from.”
Cut to immigrants shouting and screaming in Arabic.
“We are definitely ready to lift your hearts over [?] .”
Cut to immigrants shouting and screaming in Arabic.
“Let’s make them our… [?] .”)
Anywhere, I could on and play video after video after video, all these things are happening. But the disconnection is what I’m trying to get to. Like what will it take for a mass of Europeans to wake up?
I know there’s resistance in Poland. People are out there demonstrating. There has been some response in Germany as well. But I can imagine that this will develop into a sit where, basically the people of the European, … The European people that are trying to amass some kind of resistance to this, … Those are the people that our governments will go after. Those will be the people that will be targeted, will be, you know, maybe thrown in prison for trying to protect their lands or something like the. And doing something like that to prevent this from going any further.
And the question is, where will this go? I mean, is this a warfare that you guys are talking about? Tim, let’s begin with you first. Your thoughts.
TM: There’s no doubt about it. It’s already facing resistance in the matter of stickers and ever some amount of violence. Let me give you an exact example that I twittered out, it’s on my timeline for the last 24 to 48 hours. In Germany they are finding stickers, that are anti-Islamic stickers, with the back, … When you go to peel them off, the backs are lined with razor blades.
HP: Yes, so, …
TM: Any of the anti-Whites or, you know, the typical social justice warriors that run around peeling off stickers and what not. They are going to get cut. This is the type of thing that we are starting to see. And I’m not certain, … And again they want this clash of civilizations. They are not only going to destroy Europe, they are in the midst of destroying, as John Friend was alluding to, destroying outright the current political, geopolitical structure of the Middle East. They are annihilating Yemen, Syria, Turkey is now, Lebanon. This is very broad and this is a very aggressive move.
Of course, we are more concerned with what they plan on doing in Europe. But, but, I expect to see more violence.
TM: And I think that’s what they want.
HP: Well we can talk about that in terms of tactics of how to, … What the proper response would be. But Kevin, let me just ask you. A kind of pathological altruism here, the leap of weakness that we are seeing. Holland is welcoming them with songs and balloons and they think this is great. That they are doing the right thing. In Denmark they are advocating them to come to Denmark to enrich them. Then the reality on the streets of what is happening is utterly different.
What do you think it will take for these people to wake up and realize what is happening here?
Kmac: We have to understand that, you know, it’s not just our hostile elites that are doing this. There is a tendency in Europeans to be empathic, to be exploitable and can be manipulated. You see those, that choir singing in Holland, is very striking. I had it as a video on Occidental Observer for a while. You know, it does exist. I do think that we have to, … We still see these very large demos. It seems to me that still in general in Western Europe that the streets are far more under the control of the Left than of the Right, you know. You had these anti-fas, … I remember speaking in Sweden, people who organize these events were just terrified of the anti-fa.
HP: Oh yeah.
Kmac: That’s still going on. So it seems to me that this media onslaught too. I mean, I had a little piece from someone in Gothenburg, Sweden, talking about the mass media, you know, advocating people taking in homeless. Well, they got hundreds of thousands of calls. These people were willing to take in refugees, you know.
Kmac: The same in Iceland. It’s very sad. They’re taking advantage of the good hearts of the European people. And it’s very different to get beyond that when we don’t control the media. But, you know, I do think that, … People are more aware now. You see these nationalist parties making steady gains. The Swedish Democrats are the biggest party in Sweden. There are a lot of good signs, but, you know, it’s happening so fast and the, … They are changing the facts on the ground so quickly, it’s, … Your head spins and I think that’s the problem. They’re changing the facts on the ground. Bringing in new people who will not vote for European interests, for the indigenous White Europeans.
They are bringing people who’ll fundamentally change Europe. And I think the word “genocide” is absolutely appropriate.
HP: Yes, yes, exactly. The behavior is what I’m looking at as well. Obviously rising violence, crime. Rape rates is going up. This is just the reality.
HP: And the incoming are, strangely, they are almost like lashing out faster than they can get settled in. So it doesn’t seem to be like a very, like a super organized, … Let’s say ISIS plot, or something like that. Where they are saying, okay, let’s take in, I don’t know, a couple hundred thousand, you know, enemy combatants behind enemy lines. And we will wait and we will all strike together. This seems to be largely on an individual level. That the people who are coming are, they just resent the Europeans and they are not thankful at all. Any comments on that, Kevin?
Kmac: Well, I agree. I think the culture of the Left is dominating Europe now, actually increases hostility. They don’t have any problems with it. We’ve had riots, you know, burning cars in Paris, we’ve had riots in Sweden. We’ve had a huge amount of rape in Sweden. Sweden is one of the rape capitals of the world now. And, yet that doesn’t, … That’s not enough, you know.
And to really get public opinion against these people, against immigration, … I think a lot of it is the media. Again, if you have, … If media is seen as okay, you know, on your side it is very different. And if we had a media that was just mainstreaming the idea that this is an invasion, that this is absolutely outrageous, that we have legitimate interests, things would change pretty quickly.
I just think these people are so susceptible to propaganda. This empathy. Showing this child that died on a Turkish beach. It seems to have had a huge effect. It’s just amazing! It’s so sad because that child died because her father was irresponsible!
Kmac: That’s the whole story there! And yet it’s somehow Europe’s fault.
HP: Yes, they should build them escalators straight from North Africa and the Middle East into the heart of the Rhineland otherwise you are responsible.
Kmac: And there should be no limits, no borders, and if you deny that, then you’re a Nazi! It’s just amazing, unfathomable!
HP: Exactly. John if you wanted to comment on that, please go ahead, but I wanted to ask you as a follow up to that. What do you think is the correct response?
JF: Yes, well obviously the correct response to that is to use the military and police and law enforcement agencies, to identify and, you know,, to arrest and expel all these people. And we can that. We have the ability to do that. Our militaries are highly trained. We have great guys, great men and women involved in our militaries and law enforcement agencies, not just in America, but I would imagine, all over the Western world. And we could easily do this if we had the political will and the, you know,, the right correct people in charge, telling the military to do this! And it’s absolutely outrageous. And one thing that is underscored by the, you know, what Dr. MacDonald and what you were just saying, is the fact that the mass media, the mainstream mass media all over the Western world have been weaponized and used as a weapon against White people specifically.
And as we know and as Jews openly admit and brag about. The organized Jewish community does in fact control the mass media, and again they’re using it as a weapon against us. And this is demonstrated on, you know,, all sorts of, there are so many examples of this, but, with this., you know,, this Turkish kid washing up on shore, this is just a prime example of it. And I’ve even seen stories of, mainstream stories in Europe and America basically saying that the real problem, the real people that need to be, you know, dealt with are the racist Germans and the racist White people that want to, you know, expel these invaders, you know, and don’t these immigrants flooding and invading their countries.
That to me is so outrageous and ridiculous. And, you know, we’ve seen attacks on Donald Trump. Dr. MacDonald just put an article up on Occidental Observer and I also wrote a brief article on it on my website as well. There’s a story in the Jewish Daily Forward talking about how all the main, you know, big wig Jewish Republicans do not support Donald Trump because he is, you know, not falling in line with their, you know, amnesty, you know, pro-multiculturalism, pro-illegal invasion agenda in America. And I think, you know, at least in US we have Donald Trump who is, you know, sort of signaling that, you know, he does actual support White people. I mean he’s not outright saying that. You know, maybe at some point he will. I doubt it. But that would be ideal. We need someone out there that’s, you know, openly pro-White, because what we’re saying is absolutely true and there is nothing wrong about it. Somebody has got to say it. And right now we really don’t have anybody doing that.
But this idea of, you know, pathological altruism, you know, I think is very real. And I think the source of it, the reason why we have pathological altruism is the direct result of Jewish control and influence over our society. I mean these people tell us how to think. There’s been a very effective war, you know, waged on European people, on our identity. D, you know, this has really been a fact since WWII, where, you know, if any White person, you know, says that they are White and openly identifies as White you are immediately called a Nazi, they are called a racist, they are called these ridiculous buzz words that are so childish. They are losing their effect, thank goodness.
But this is really the sit we’ve been facing ever since WWII. And I think, you know, this pathological altruism that we see on display all over the Western world is the direct result of Jewish influence and power in America and the wider Western world.
HP: What will turn that around? I think the lefties will, will go to the grave thinking that they are doing the right thing. We’ve seen people being, you know, beat up in some of these, you know, pro-rallies and what not. People who just can’t connect. But what would push people over that edge? To finally come to the conclusion that, okay, this is an invasion. We need to defend ourselves, our entire society is just absolutely falling apart. And everything we have worked for, our commons, our high trust societies are just shattering before our eyes. Tim what do you think will turn this around?
TM: Simple awareness that these universals that they are living under, like diversity and multiculturalism are not universal. They only apply to us. And it’s a genocidal scam that they are at. Once Europeans learn that universals are not universal then it starts, they start getting angry. And I always talk about the psychology of the con. Every human goes through this. First is denial of the con and then there is awareness of the con. Then you start chuckling, “Yeah, I can’t believe how I fell for that, ha, ha, ha.” and the best thing to do is to get them laughing. And the third and final stage is anger at the con artist.
If you look at the massive events, which I know, like Dr. Kevin MacDonald has and John Friend has, of say, anti-semitic backlash. Backlash against the Jewish elites historically.
I would just say that there is recognized, recognition of a con being played. And there is a massive con being played on Europeans. There is always a handful that are playing on the emotions. If you take somewhere like Iceland and there was, what Dr. Kevin MacDonald was talking about, is that I think it was about ten or fifteen thousand of all the Icelanders, which is a few hundred thousand, would take in refugees, supposedly, online, on Facebook. Now they haven’t yet, that’s just a Facebook poll. That is a slice of that society that they are using to pull the heart strings. And this, … Every European society has them. And they have pulled the heart strings pretty good with dead babies on the beach, and so on and so forth.
The challenge for them is that they have lost control of the con’s narrative online. They don’t have, … The narrative on-line is gone. We own that. It’s just a matter of how much longer it takes for a message to start radiating online as opposed through the mainstream mass media like Fox News. Fox News, you can generate a meme and gun it down through society a lot faster then you can on the internet. But there’s a rising tide of awareness coming and the more aggressive they get the larger it becomes. Now where it crests, I don’t know. I have a feeling that our enemy has a very good idea.
HP: Yes. The hypocrisy is that there’s a disconnection in the message as well. For one, I remember a story a couple of days ago. There are plenty of Ukrainian refugees, for example. Many young children have died in the most horrible ways. But they don’t seem to be that interested, because they’re White!
And the agenda here is of course, is to bring as many third world people, as many Middle East people, Muslims, etc., into Europe as possible. Because if we listen to the elite they actually say, from Sarkozy to Peter Sutherland, to Kalergi, to all the NATO chiefs and all these people that we, … Tim we’ve spoken about this in the past to. That there are many many people that are outspoken and the message that they come [put] across is quite different. They say, well, it’s a demographics question, it’s an economic question. We have to use these people as a resource, etc. Even some of the EU presidents are saying this now.
So, Kevin, let me switch over to you. Isn’t that a disconnection in the message? First we get the story that we need to help these people who are fleeing from horrible conditions. And the next day we get a message, that no, in fact, you need these people because your demographics is going down, and we also want to fight racism and nationalism. So that’s why we are doing this. It’s a contradiction, right?
Kmac: Right. I’ve seen both ends of that argument. I think the Wall Street Journal or the Washington Post had one, where, you know, they were saying that if they were German they were very lucky to get all these refugees wanting to come there because they are an aging population; they needed all these people.
It’s just very sad, I still think that we have a long way to go with the media, obviously. We are all on the alternative media. I do think things are moving in our direction, but the question is, how slow or how quickly? Can we trust someone like Trump? I really think that Trump is a possibility. But you never know. If he can get in and if he does will he really come through? The Swedish Democrats? What will be the first party in Europe that will get some serious traction, some real power?
I know in Denmark the Danish Peoples Party, I believe are in the government. And they are at least slowing it down. I think they’re trying to send them all to Sweden!
Kmac: And I thought it was outrageous that the Swedish Prime Minister was upset with that!
HP: You know, there has been feuds back and forth. The Danish, I mean they make jokes about the all the time. They say you guys are insane and you are crazy. I mean we have the bridges built now so it’s easy for them to come over. And that’s what they are doing already if they don’t feel welcome in Denmark they go right over the bridge and they’re in Sweden, you know.
Kmac: Right. So this Swedish, I think a Deputy Prime Minister or something, is saying how bad it is that Denmark is doing this. Yet they have said every, every Syrian can come to Sweden.
Kmac: That’s 25 million people! And everyone else. They are going to be a humanitarian superpower.
HP: But they don’t know who is Syrian! That’s the other thing to this. These people don’t have paperwork. We don’t know who they are!
HP: And if you look at the footage, it’s like, you have seen, there’s like, you know, very dark Africans, there are more Asiatic looking people, there are, then Middle Eastern. So this is kind of all over the place. And it feels to me like everyone is taking an opportunity to get into Europe, because it’s an opportunity to get some.
Kmac: There’s probably about 7 billion people who would profit by living in Europe in terms of standard of living. There’s no end to this. With Africa there’s four billion or something, … 1.3 billion people [actually now 1.16 billion and projected to reach 2 billion by 2040] . They’re all relatively poor, except for a few of the elites over there. Of course they would want to go to Europe.
Tim: One can only imagine if all the South African Boer farmers, through funds, to enter into some giant fund charity raiser, all got on a plane and headed for Europe. What would they do to them? I bet they would send them back.
Kmac: Yes, exactly! They would be [unclear] one.
TM: It just becomes absolutely absurd that you have these people sitting there, they are on genocide watch, they are actually on genocide watch. No one is even talking about it. You got all the, I mean, if you want to talk about a refugee crisis, look at the White Boer farmers, the White South Africans. Especially the middle class and poor that can’t get jobs because of Affirmative Action and all this South African stuff. This South African anti-White legislation, … You know, but they are ignoring that potential.
If you are worried about bringing people back into your society you look at your diaspora. Which is typically what humans do. You know, even in Africa they make appeals for, various different places in Africa, they make appeals for African in America to come home. I know that everyone that is listening has heard that from time to time. You appeal to your diaspora.
So European diaspora is in America, you know, it’s around the world. But they have, you know, all these Boer South African farmers that would probably work out quite well in Northern Europe, in my opinion.
But the people, … They don’t exist when it comes to refugee status, or getting them back home, or, you know.
Kmac: And of course the whole idea that there could possibly be White refugees from a black country, goes completely against the Leftist narrative.
Kmac: That is just on the other side of the moon. And they reject any idea that they are being persecuted, even though there’s excellent evidence that there is. And there is one genocide site that is talking about Africa, as in like the 4th or 5th stage of the UN stage of genocide.
TM: I think it’s number six now. They’re moving up.
TM: I’ve come to the conclusion that it, … Because the arguments that we get are always that there’s no such thing as White genocide. And literally they all do this “Hee, hee, hee, you’re all going to be dead soon”.
You know, they know instinctively that, you know, that something is happening. But even in South Africa where they’re on Genocide Watch. They are actually on Genocide Watch. They will never admit that, that’s genocide against Whites. Even if it’s a Rwanda type situation, where it becomes obvious. They will never admit that.
Kmac: That’s right. They will never admit that. And it won’t be spun that way in the media in America or Europe.
HP: Well, that’s why the governments that we have in place now are just, … They are not going to do anything against this. If things escalate, and I think they will. I mean, I think at some stage there are going to be regions taken over, let’s say it’s a port city. Who knows how much weapons are being shipped in. Sweden has seen a rise of AK47s and hand grenades, for Christ’s sake! In Malmo, you know, the third largest city, a largely majority Muslin area soon. And that’s a complete change of character.
But I suspect that we are going to see more of those kinds of things. And if people on the street level would begin to mobilize against this in some fashion and say basically, “okay, the police are not doing anything, the military are not doing anything, the government is corrupt, they’re traitors”. Those are the people that our governments would go after.
TM: NATO would, NATO would.
HP: Exactly! Yes! If it’s just one country that does, let’s say that Hungary would turn around tomorrow and say, “You know what, that’s it! We’re closing up the borders, we’re kicking everybody out”. They would basically turn on them and, like what happened with Germany, basically. It needs to be a massive movement across all of Europe for this to turn around.
Kmac: There’s an awful lot of pressure right now on Poland and Hungary and the rest of Eastern Europe to take in all these people. You can bet that there’s going to be a campaign because it’s about all for Europe going under this way. This is really what the EU is all about.
This guy, Junker, who is the head of the EU, is just absolutely abominable.
HP: Yes. Oh yes.
Kmac: He just can’t get enough of the non-White people in Europe.
HP: He’s well in with the Jewish elite in Europe to, by the way.
Kmac: Of course! I mean, I don’t see how you could possibly have a position like that without being part Jew.
HP: Exactly! That’s just it.
Kmac: … Without being part of the Jewish elites, it’s not possible.
JF: Yes, you know, one thing that’s always left out of this conversation as well is that, … The problems in the Middle East is, you know, corrupt governments, you know, these wars. All these atrocities that are being committed, … Yes, there are very real problems. And America has played a central role in destabilizing these countries. But one thing that is never said is, look these refugees, they need to stay there and sort their own problems out in their own countries. You know, that’s what White people have done all through our history. I mean, America fought a revolutionary war to establish this country. And, you know, we have struggled to build our countries. These people need to be in their own country doing the same thing. And that is never said.
And, you know, we have struggled to build our countries. These people need to be in their own country doing the same thing. And that is never said.
Kmac: And of course, … I’m sure everyone here is well aware that the fact is that the American role in the Middle East is, … Would not have happened except for these Jewish neocons, the organized Jewish community, AIPAC and so on. That this is the result of Israeli foreign policy in wanting to destabilize these countries. Essentially carve them up into smaller countries. The more instability the better. And that’s been the policy.
JF: This is openly admitted that this is Israeli and, you know, Zionist policy in the Middle East., you know, there’s all sorts of academic, think tanks, you know, type papers that have been written advocating this. You know, going back into the 1990s, you know. Certainly after 9/11. I mean this is openly admitted, that this is what their goals are, what their policy is, you know, to destroy all these countries, to overthrow all these governments. And to, you know, to sort of pave the way for Israeli, you know, domination of the Middle East using Western financial and military and human capital. So that they are using us to advance their own interests in the Middle East. And that’s very clear and that’s admitted by these people. I mean this has to be recognized and understood.
HP: Exactly. And I think the agenda is two fold here. The idea that you want to have, they want to have a Greater Israel. That they want to try to expand. They want to try to get as many enemy combatants. I know, of course, that we can and should question the origin of ISIS. How they arose, who’s funding them. All these things. For the sake of it, let’s just say it is the organization there, it’s in place. And a lot of young men are attracted to it because, you know, for many different reasons. They like it, you know, a good cause or whatever. It might be a religious thing. There are there, that is a factor. It’s not a question about that. It’s not like it’s fake or anything like that. It’s happening. They’re coming into Europe and whatnot.
But the other side to that agenda beyond expanding Israel’s border and trying to get rid of a lot of people around in the area that they don’t want to have there, it’s about dragging Europe into a kind of civil war, really, as well. And the question is, … What the response to that should be and could be reasonably. Because we just can’t stand there and say, “Well, this is all engineered and manufactured, so we can’t do anything about it. We can’t set up any opposition”.
Then at the same time if we do set up some opposition and really try to push these people out, what have you. We don’t know how America or even Russia or China or any of these other larger countries will, will react. And if there will be a turn on Europe consequently. There will be, like a larger version of of what we saw during the Second World War. So I’m back to that question again. What is the proper response in the situation like that. We have to fight. But when we do that are we walking into the trap that these “neocohens”, as you called them Tim, are setting us up for. What’s your thoughts on that Tim?
TM: I think, to be honest with you, the speed at which they are moving, … I’m looking for two specific scenarios. But the speed at which they are moving, tells me that, they don’t have the time to play the long term Serbia game. You know, I think that was what they were trying to set up, in America, in Europe, is a Serbia type, seriously, a Serbia type of thing where the Serbs tried to defend themselves and then NATO walks in and bombs the living daylights out of them. And, you know, this is a Muslim territory now, you know?
TM: I think that’s what they really was going for. But now it’s so big and so fast I think they’re going for something else, entirely. Something much bigger. But, but what is the response?
Well the response is to always to control the message. The only thing with can do, is to attempt to control the message online. And I think we are starting to dominate. With that being said, you know, the little clues would tell me that, you know, we did a podcast with Red Ice, with Lana, Radio 314, called, … “About the Managerial Class”. That when the elite loses the class that manages and makes the society works. By managerial class I’m not talking white collar, blue collar, but they manage to get things done. Only a certain percentage of society is necessary to make the place function. And if they give up on you at the local grocery store, we know from the collapse of the Soviet Union, that you are in trouble. And all the signs would tell me that they are really worried about this class of people. And that might be why they are running the right-wingers. Certain neocons are giving overtures to, and not enough for me to sit tight on it, but the Donald Trumps and stuff like that.
They have lost the critical class of people, are starting to lose. To make society work. And I think we are going to see more and more overtures to people like Dr. David Duke. That’s what all that stuff is about on InfoWars. If you go back and listen to what I’ve talked about there. These are models right out of the Soviet Union. They’re workable. They’re starting to lose the key components of society that are getting their information online. Because they don’t control the narrative online.
So I believe they’re in a big hurry here. The question is, how big are they going to go? The timeline is really simple for me. The last term of Obama, right now. They’re going for something much larger. Can they get it together? You know, …
Kmac: It’s interesting. I just think that things are speeding up.
And it could be that there’s some kind of plot. I think, throughout the West we have these, … A huge gap between most people and the people who actually run these governments and the media and so on. I mean if you look at America, the surveys of opposition to immigration shows that most Americans want immigration cut way down. And they would be happy to have these illegals expelled and all that. And to have a moratorium. In other words, Donald Trump views are entirely mainstream.
Kmac: And actually reflect the views of most Americans. But there is a complete disengagement with the elites. The Republican party elites. They want free trade, they want immigration, they want low wages. Democratic Party wants more multiculturalism, more voters that are going to vote for big government and handouts and all that. The same thing in Europe. I mean, I don’t think that these attitudes are, … That they are not, … If they really are majority attitudes like in Sweden. I think they are soft. I think they, at some point they are waking up, and they are aware that there’s something really wrong here. And I do think that, you know, things are moving in our direction. And the question is can we be, … And I think you are right, that things are moving very, very fast. That means we have to move fast too.
Kmac: We have to do something before we are just swamped here! And, you know, the farther it goes the more cataclysmic it’s going to be to change it.
HP: Well, the societal structure, I mean as it continues, as it does now, it’s going to collapse. The economy, I saw, …
HP: I saw footage out of Germany where basically, … On the streets of Frankfurt there are like a civil war going on, between the Kurdish people and the Turks. And the militaries, … and this is not new. From last year RT had the footage of people running around with machetes. These ISIS supporters, like trying to cut up Kurdish people. And like this is what we are going to spend our time, resources, and efforts on now. Or try to preserve and keep the peace in this multicultural wonderful land that we’ve created for ourselves, you know?
Kmac: And then they sort of comfort themselves with the fiction that, “Well in the long run things will just work out. They will be just like us”. And it’s just a complete fraud. So that there’s this utopian idea, that the Westerners seem to be very susceptible to. That these utopian visions of a harmonious future that we are all going to love one another. This has never happened!
And if you think about the Jewish experience, there’s always been conflict in societies they have been in. Now we’ve got more and more conflict. It’s a well known fact that multiculturalism leads to conflict. There’s absolutely rock solid data. But, you know, it’s just swept under the rug. We are all going to be alike and it’s just going to be wonderful and there’s going to be no more racism.
It’s just the opposite.
Kmac: We are going to be victimized!
JF: I think, well I’m very hopeful that we are seeing, you know, sort of before our eyes that the discrediting of the mass media and the discrediting of the mainstream political establishment. And I think that Donald Trump is kind of proving that, I mean, you know, most people I talk to, and I’m in Southern California, most people I talk to, you know, support what Donald Trump is saying. What he is saying about immigration, free trade deals and how they have been entirely destructive to the American economy and to the American worker.
And I think, you know, people hear that and they say, “Wow this guy is right!” And, you know, Donald Trump is also out there saying that these mainstream politicians are bought and paid for. And, you know, they’re controlled by the people who financed their campaigns. Which is absolutely true!
And people are hearing that, and it’s resonating very deeply with them. Not just Republicans, you know, Independents, Democrats, you name it. So, you know, I think that, you know, we have a very real potential to sort of start influencing the political discourse on a much higher level. I think we are already making tons of progress. Over the years we’ve really made a lot of progress. But now we really have an opportunity, I think largely due to Donald Trump, to reach more and more people with this information.
And I am firmly convinced that only the truth will set us free and, you know, straighten everything out that is wrong in this world. And we have to tell the truth and that includes the truth about controversial events relating to WW II, that includes the truth about 9/11. That includes the truth about Jewish power and influence in the West and the very destructive and subversive nature, you know, the destructive role they have played all throughout history, wherever they go. And we need to be honest about these things. And I think we are and I think more and more people are listening and hearing what we have to say. And recognizing that what we are saying is very well documented and very well backed up by scholars, by intellectuals, by, you know, just regular activists who have looked into this stuff and have really done a lot of research.
So, you know, I think we are gaining more and more credibility and I’m very hopeful for the future to be honest with you guys.
HP: Yes, that is a good point. I’m hopeful too. I think this is ultimately, at the end of it, is good, but just what you brought up Kevin, … The pace at that this moves right now, it’s so extraordinary and therefore there’s the sense of, you know, we feel rushed. We have to do something yet at the same time we don’t want to play your cards to early, etc. It’s all timing I feel. It’s almost if we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Because we have our governments against us right now and then we have incoming people that are against us as well. And they are all, you know, turn on us all together at the end, it seems.
So we have to, obviously organize. We have to do something to try to set up an opposition to this. I know Tim that you are talking about trying to stay on the message and try to make people see. But is that what it’s about? About reaching a tipping point of peoples awareness. That, that meta-political discussion needs to take place. And that ultimately is going to spawn both political organizations and people who are going to begin to organize. What’s your thoughts on that, Tim?
TM: What you are dealing with is a classic closed system, a closed society. And we know from the collapse of the Soviet Union and from the models we use right now the we have been successful with using. That once the awareness, … In the Soviet Union, … You are dealing with a workers paradise that murdered people for trying to leave. Obvious there’s a kind of fault there!
TM: In this situation we’re dealing with diversity, multiculturalism, refugees, immigration for White countries, only White countries and all White countries. So with are dealing with a classic closed system. And once awareness that this “universal” is not a universal then resistance comes in various different forms. And the beast has not died from some giant bomb or getting it’s head knocked off. Although I guess it could in theory. But it dies from a thousand little pokes.
One day the Berlin wall just starts tumbling. Now Yugoslavia happened, but it happened after that, not before. Well it gets the ball rolling of these nasty little, these little memes that start radiating. Simple little things over and over again that people can digest. Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for everybody, diversity is a code word for White genocide. And they have to be very aggressive, very overt. And they have to just radiate. You have to have a way to just get them out, over and over again. It’s a repetition.
It’s a strategy that’s never once been beaten. It’s called the, “broken record strategy”. It’s how society is controlled. It’s controlled by those that control the message.
When the Neocons say that Ahmadinejad is going to wipe Israel off the map, they don’t say it once. You have a half dozen at the top of media outlets around the West. They say it over and over and over again. And Charles Krauthammer, when you go back and look at his writings, to seed that particular meme in society, every chance he gets he’s going to say, “Ahmadinejad is going to wipe Israel off the map”. You know, that’s how everything is reduced down to the eighth grade meme and then you hit the broken record strategy.
Even a lie repeated enough can’t be defeated. But if you repeat the truth in little memes it’s what gets the ball rolling.
The enemy, is in my opinion from the conversations, the unfortunate conversations that I have had, only a couple. Our concern with White genocide is because they believe, one the the average White person is going to believe it for good reason! For good reason.
TM: And two, it could be a catalyst event. And they are always worried about a catalyst event that is going to must the the the the the hroom cloud anti-semitism, you know. Because in their history the is typically what happening, if you go back and read things.
HP: And that is just out of the blue. There’s no reason for that by the way.
TM: No, no (laughing), not at all Henrik. They just happened to m over to Palestine and all of a sudden there’s massive amounts of anti-semitism radiating through Islam at once., you know, there’s always a catalyst event. But they are worried about that being a catalyst event and that could be. But there’s more and more awareness because of conditions on the ground. Now how bad things have to get I don’t know. I think the enemy in my opinion is worried enough to do something crazy. And as they start doing crazier and crazier things, … They are so disconnected from reality and they are such a group of paranoid schizophrenics that they may go over the top one day and not just come back, you know. The Berlin wall came tumbling down. And I’m not certain of what events are going to precede that, but, you know, they may try to, … Right now they are trying for another crazy war. I don’t know where they are going to go with it, but, …, you know, that is what I’m looking at right now.
HP: Let me play another clip from Peter Sutherland, one of these globalists. He’s been on the board of Goldman Sachs. He’s also the United Nation’s special representative of the Secretary General for International Migration. It’s about a minute and a half long or something. Let’s just listen to what he says and he’s well in with these elite guys we are talking about here. Let’s just listen to what he has to say here.
“For the Swedish government, I’m very pleased to welcome the United Nation’s special representative, and this is Peter Sutherland, to Sweden. Mr Sutherland plays a very important role in the global arena on the issues of migration. And as we all know that migration, the migration is and will be for a very long time on top of the global agenda, …”
HP: Oh, okay.
“The demographics are a key element of this debate. And the key argument for, and I hesitate to use the word because people have attacked us for the development of the multicultural state. Because states have to become more open states in terms of the people who inhabit them. The founding fathers, as we call them, of the European Union. The fundamental point that drove them in the first instance was an attack on what they jointly considered to be the evil of national sovereignty. And nationalism is based on the principle that one person is better than another, …”
HP: No it’s not!
TM: Oh my god!
“… Currently believe it in the European Union. As a concept the US or Australia and New Zealand are migrant societies and that is what they accommodate more readily those from other backgrounds than we do at home. Who feel in a sense our homogeneity and different from others. Which is precisely what the European Union, in my view, should be doing it’s best to undermine. It’s a noble idea to share sovereignty. This is not merely a noble project but an absolutely vital project, …”
“Continuing to live, to relive the worst moments of the past. There seems to be a lack of recognition of the enormous difficulties of what we are doing.”
HP: “There seems to be a lack of recognition of the enormous difficulties of what we are doing”, I mean, the more, the more they push though the quicker, … This is really the kind of theme here of what we are talking about, … The quicker they push, the more they do this, the faster, I mean, god knows why they are pushing it so fast.
The quicker they push, the more they do this, the faster, I mean, god knows why they are pushing it so fast.
Something is obviously going to give here. People are going to turn against them. Go ahead John. You want to comment on this.
JF: Yes. I’m sorry. I don’t mean to interrupt you. I was just going to say, I think, listening to that clip and, you know, listening to clips, you know, of Barbara Lerner Spectre, reading articles in the Jewish press about how, you know, America and Europe, you know, they need to open up their borders. You know, accept all these refugees and, you know, totally destroy their countries. And, you know, any form of White racial consciousness is evil and racist and, you know, you are a Nazi.
This is exactly why we need to totally exclude Jews from our societies, period!
These people have been so destructive to everything that we stand for, all of our traditions, … We simply do not have, you know, we don’t have time to sit around and listen to these people anymore. They have been dictating to us and controlling the very perception of reality. They have been controlling the way we view the world for so long. I mean really since WW II. But I mean, even before that I think they had a major influence.
And look, you know, what I saying is not popular. I understand that. I don’t like saying these things. It’s kind of mean, but hey, someone got to say them and these people have to be recognized for what they are. And I guess I don’t necessarily mean every single individual Jewish person. But as a collective, how they operate in our societies. Their role has to be recognized and understood. They are the destroyers of our civilization. They have to be recognized as such and they must be excluded permanently from our societies, if we want to survive as a people!
HP: Well, there is historical precedence for this, you know, god knows, we don’t have to go into all the expulsions and all that. And just figure out that, you know, after, what, like 800 times, or was it 1100 times, over a 800 year period, you know, something is amiss here. But this aspect, is that, … Historically we have seen the opening of the floodgates. My story, my memory goes back to, … to Toledo and Malagard and some of these Spanish kingdoms that the Visogoths set up. And the Jews, the Jewish community within the community had a fairly good standing, whatever. But when they wanted to convert over to Catholicism, or they forced everyone to do it, rather. And they said, you know, Jews, you have to convert as well, you have to be Catholics.
Then we have the whole deal of them converting, of “Conversos”. Of them being outwardly Catholic, but of course, you know, worshipping the Talmud when they get back into their house. But to make a long story short, I think it took the Spanish people about, … They opened the, … This is my point. They opened the floodgates to the Muslim hordes into some of these Spanish city states. And it took the Spanish people about 700 years or something like that, to get their country back.
And that is why in 1492, they set up a decree of throwing everybody out basically and saying, “that is it, we’ve had enough”. And recently, recently the Spanish people, the Spanish government, I mean. They officially apologized for this and said, “Oh my god, what a mistake we did” and “we beg for your forgiveness”. And everyone who wants to be a citizen in Spain can be so. They opened their arms to the Jewish community and their granted automatic citizenship to one point something million Jews, or something like that, for forgiveness. Without looking anything at all in the history of what happened there. That they had to fight for 800 years to get their country back.
So this very aspect of one tribe if you will using another people to let them into our societies into Europe, to destroy them. That is something that we have seen in the past and frankly something similar could happen here, if we don’t stop it in time. Kevin, do you have any comments on that?
Kmac: Well yes, I do think that is a good analogy and when these things happen they happen they cause huge social upheaval, cataclysmic upheaval. I mean the entire 15th century in Spain was filled with riots and protests against Jews. And the anti-semitism became very important because Jews were dominating the society. And in 1492, you know, you started the Inquisition, 1492. The point is, is that these people are a huge problem. If you listen to Sutherland, his entire frame of reference is WW II and now we see him talking about National Socialism. That is their whole frame. It’s a Jewish point of view basically. That this was the worst of all evils. That nationalism, that all nationalisms are therefore bad. That all nationalism implies is superiority of one person over another. And so on.
This is the ideology that has come out of WW II. This is why I keep writing and the whole idea behind (The) Culture of Critique. All these movements were aimed at deconstructing the ethnicity of the Western peoples, of pathologizing any kind of group sense of loyalty among White people — which was pretty strong in the early 20th century. And then, it’s been very successful. So we have to overthrow these elites. It’s happened before. But what they do, … In this case it’s unique is that they have brought in all immigrants. I mean they have created facts on the ground and made it very difficult. Image if we in America simply started to deport 60 million people. You know, it’s just like, … I think we’ve had 65 million immigrants since 1965. Well those immigrants are not in a sense legitimate. They were never voted on, they, you know, same in Europe. But you talk to them about tens of millions of people at this point. So how do you change that?
Kmac: But that is what they are relying on. They have made facts on the ground that make it very, very difficult to turn back the clock. So only a total cataclysm can really bring it back.
HP: So that is what people need to understand, that this, that this has been done as a strategy to prevent any of this from happening in the future.
TM: I think it’s important to understand that when they talk about nationalism, they are not talking about the Japanese or the Chinese or the Hindus in India.
JF: No! You know what?
Kmac: Of course not. They want that. African nationalism is just fine, Korea is fine. It’s only European Whites.
TM: And that is the important point that most Whites need to hit over and over again.
TM: Over and over again. Once they see it, then it becomes a lot of anger.
Kmac: Yes. Well I think those mantras that you are talking about earlier are very important. As you were saying, what the media does is repeat. And that is the power. That is why I keep writing the Occidental Observer. I can’t say we are writing something new every and, but we are repeating the same points in different contexts and that is just necessary. That is what the media does.
TM: Yes. Exactly!
JF: Yes, yes. And the Jews have made it very difficult for us to address this situation that is presented to us in the rush and roll, in America and in Europe. With all these, you know, millions of non-White people who have been illegitimately brought over here and made citizens in many cases. And, you know, we’ve seen how various Jewish organizations have worked with resettling these people, encouraging their migration to the West. Financially benefitting from it. I mean, some of these charities, these Jewish charity organizations — they get millions of dollars a year if they engage in this work. To literally destroy our countries.
And they are getting this money from our government which is outrageous. But the thing is we could easily address all of the problems facing our country. We have a very capable military, we have very capable individuals in positions of power, in our law enforcement agencies, in our military, like I said. In our State and local governments, in our County government. We could really do this! We could do this in a year!
Donald Trump is out there saying all the illegals will be gone in two years, once he is president. And he is right, we could easily do this if we had the political will to do so. And I think that our day is coming a lot sooner they most of us think. I’m very confident that, you know, what’s going on is simply untenable. Our message is reaching millions of people and it is increasing on a daily basis. And, you know, the elites, the political and media establishment are being discredited on a daily basis because it is very clear that they are lying to us and they are manipulating us. And they are engaging in psychological and, you know, information warfare against the public. And this is very obvious!
And people are starting to recognize this and, you know, it will be different to, you know, correct everything that is wrong in our country is, you know, in America and in Europe. But we can easily do it! Okay that is my point, we could easily do this, if we had the right people in charge, you know, to get it done. And we do have the right people that, you know, can get all of this done.
HP: I mean it can be done peacefully. I mean millions have come in very, very quickly and they can leave very quickly as well and go back to their own home countries. They can become rooted in their own culture, have their own language and they don’t have to sit around and bicker about, you know, how many Swedish people or French people or English people that are on the TV stations, for example. Or the fact that we are running our own companies and we are the CEOs, … I mean it’s just, it’s so absurd. But Tim the point that you mentioned before the is really the key one that, … The fact that, you know, this is only happening in European countries. I mean it’s, it’s so, … When I look at the footage that I’m seeing of what’s happening right now. When I’m looking at what’s, … How this is playing out on the street level and the fact that once you begin to criticise this, that somehow you are the bad guy and you are the ones being targeted. I mean it’s so foreign. It feels like I’m truly, … It like I’m in the twilight zone or something.
And it’s impossible to explain to people because they’re so brainwashed, you know.
TM: Right. You have to understand something. That if psychological warfare is present, what we know, and psychological warfare is obviously some kind of phenomena backed by propaganda. Meaning that someone is at war with you. It’s a psychological operation. And when I say “phenomena”, typically it always results in us disappearing from that area in some matter, shape or form. It might be through rape, it might be through murder, it might be from some asymmetrical attack, it might be through White flight. But this is what we are facing, some kind of warfare, warfare that is psychological right now. And with a lot of asymmetrical attacks, phenomena and propaganda.
What we know is that you can’t educate in the face of that. What you can do is what the enemy did to put it in place. Because the enemy didn’t educate to put it in place. What they do is use buzz words. Only a handful, over and over again. You are speaking from the racist perspective, your speaking from the racist point of view. Over and over again. They keep up the critique, they start breaking things down. And what were doing, is basically the polar opposite.
We are creating the dynamic. Instead of the social space being divided between anti-racists and racists. And a anti-racists is someone who accepts their own genocide. A cuckservative is a Social Justice Warrior and a racist would be anyone White and normal basically. What we are doing is changing the social space, attempting to change the social space from that to pro-White versus anti-White.
And the way we do that is the same way. We got to go back in and do it from an anti-White perspective. In other words if they’re trying to educate someone that is obviously brainwashed, you start breaking it down. And this is what really works in this situation Henrik. You say, “Well you are speaking from the anti-White point of view.” or, “that is the anti-White perspective.” or “that is the typical anti-White narrative.” and then you just keep it simple. Little things, over and over again. Constant repetition. And it’s tedious d it’s not for everybody. But that is how it was out into place. It wasn’t put in place by some giant gun. It was put into place by a handful of buzz words and a gazillion of dollars of programming and repetition, over and over again. But you can’t break through doing anything major to that person to shake them up, in 9 out 10 cases.
You know, you can’t educate over the top of that. Now on the other hand there are a lot of people in this society that are realizing that there is some kind of con going on. That is a totally different bill of goods. But when you are in these conversations, you used to see it, in America, with let’s say, racial crime stats. And your brother-in-law look at you, or your sister-in-law would look at you like a deer in the headlights. Well, you are wasting your time there.
TM: They can’t see it, and this is something most pro-Whites go through. They go through the individual that just can’t see it, well then you are memed out. You just hit them the same way. They were brought into a trance. You just try to bring them out of it, and it takes time.
Kmac: It is even worse if you talk about Jewish issues. How many times you see people’s eyes just glaze over. It is like they can’t process it. It is like they are absolutely deaf. It is because of this long conditioning, racism, anti-Semitism. It is the power of the media and the educational system, nonstop 24/7.
HP: Well, because people disown their own family members. They turn on their own sons and daughters. It is a mind-controlled cult. Aren’t there movies made about this of how people are just disowning their family or, “defooing”* or whatever. That is what is happening here. They are just like disconnecting utterly from their families, disowning them. It is almost like because it is a purity thing. It’s like, we want to be pure and if I even, like, talk to you, if you have these opinions, I will be become dirty and I might be implicated in these kinds of things as well.
Cutting ties with your family of origin — the family with whom you grew up without having much of a choice. Often involves moving out without telling them (the family).
FOO = Family Of Origin
“My parents are abusive and my family sucks, so I’m defooing them.”
TM: Look how many people in the Soviet Union turned in their friends and neighbors or even under National Socialist Germany, a lot of Jews, the George Soros turned in other Jews and stuff like that. This type of things happens where people want to be cool, they want to be in, or they are just brainwashed. Like once you unleash this in a society it is going to go full circle. One of the downsides is even if an elite tries to change gears now you are still stuck with those brainwashed people. That is one of the challenges here and what will happen in this type of thing as you have a radiating, opposing message, in the Soviet Union meming them over and over again, that you are in a workers’ paradise that murders people for trying to leave, which is a fundamental truth.
The opposite effect happens and what happens is the vibration, actually, in other words the memes themselves explode even further and further because you have a section that is so brainwashed you can’t do anything with them, and that is what is going to happen to us. They are going to yell, “racist!” You talked about the social justice warrior earlier Henrik, that even if everything is falling apart, they will still have this utopian mindset and think it is going to work.
TM: Well, they are going to actually bring down the society much faster now if it is facing opposing memes because all they do is increase the frequency. In other words, the vibration just expands. It starts expanding more and more. More people become aware because every time they hear diversity is a code word for white genocide they yell, “White supremacist” and so on and so forth, etc. It is only a handful of buzzwords. It is just a matter of repetition. The way the enemy is moving they may do something crazy. They have done crazy stuff in the past to unseat themselves. We just got to be looking for opportunities and stick to the basics that work.
HP: Yes, exactly. One thing too, I think we have to our advantage is not only the truth and the reality of what people are experiencing on the street level. What they read in the paper and see on the TV does not match the reality that they are experiencing. That is very powerful and very strong, but on top of that, none of these people are edgy. They are not counter culture. They are limp wristed, lame stream losers that are just repeating the message of the establishment, and that is something we need to push on as well, that the alternative, …
TM: They are not cool.
HP: Exactly, they are not cool.
Kmac: Exactly. That is one of the sort of ironic things about these Antifa, you know. They think that they are these young guys that are rebellious. They are against the system, they are against the man. …
Kmac: They are the system. That is just ridiculous how they can conceptualize themselves that way.
HP: Yeah, I know.
Kmac: We are the ones that are really the revolutionaries here. We are, …
HP: The rebels, the true rebels.
TM: Revolutionaries are backed by Walmart. (Laughing)
Kmac: (Laughing) That’s right.
TM: Revolutionaries lose their jobs when they speak out. That is revolutionary.
Kmac: Antifa is ridiculous.
HP: Like you John, do you want to tell us just a little bit about that, what happened to you and what you have gone through because it is very pertinent to what we are talking about right now.
JF: Yes, I mean exactly. This has happened to me in the past and I am sure it has happened to tons of other people. In fact, I just signed back up on Facebook. I have heard from multiple people on Facebook that very similar things have happened to them as well. I have a pretty popular website. I have been on multiple radio shows and kind have a presence on the internet, so it happened to me and it has been all over the news.
There is an article published in the San Diego Union Tribune which has received a ton of attention and if you look at all the comments on the original news item announcing that I was basically forced out of my job. I was working for a local city government here in San Diego County and if you look at all the comments pretty much everybody is supporting me. It is really incredible. There are a couple commenters who it is very clear that they are Jewish and they are basically admitting that in the comments and just look at their last name and it is very clear.
Yes, it has been a very interesting situation. It has gotten some attention. It has been picked up by some of the major Jewish outlets, like the Jewish Daily Forward, The Times of Israel, and the Jewish Telegraph Agency. I am hoping that an outlet like the Daily Mail or the New York Times or one of these big mainstream news outlets will pick it up and maybe interview me and get my take on things. I think that would be huge. I think we need to try to use this to advance our cause and advance our message in as big a way as possible, and I think thus far we have been pretty successful in doing that.
I was friends with so many people at the city. I knew so many people there. I knew some of the most high level people in the city, well I knew all of the high level people in the city. They have all been exposed to my views, and I am hoping that I will be able to reach some of these people because, frankly, almost all of them were very professional, respectable white people, and these are the type of people we need involved in our struggle here because what is going on is absolutely unacceptable. We need people to start standing up and taking a stand and growing a pair. I mean this is outrageous what is happening. I have certainly dedicated my life to this struggle as have you guys and many others. I am very confident that we are going to make some bold moves here in the weeks and months ahead.
HP: Yep, very good. Well, gentleman we could go on for probably a couple of hours more, but we are going to round up shortly. I wanted to just basically know some of your closing thoughts, if there any additions you want to make to what we have been talking about so far, and I also want you to mention the websites that you are behind and plug away if there is something upcoming you guys have or mention what you have available for our audience basically. Kevin, why don’t we begin with you.
Kmac: John Friend’s problem is symptomatic of our powerlessness. I mean, the fact that he could be fired basically for simply having beliefs and ideas is horrifying, but this is a power of the left right now. The Southern Poverty Law Center is the main organization that is behind this in the United States. They have tried to get me fired. They have gotten a lot of people fired. I would hope people would come to my website. We have a lot of stuff on the refugee crisis right now. The Occidental Observer is the main one. I also have The Occidental Quarterly which has longer articles, more scholarly articles, and so on. As we were saying in this discussion, it is very important to have our media be there and to be well thought, to be thoughtful, well sourced, empirically based, reasonable. This is the kind of thing because we are trying to get people who are intelligent and well educated on our side. That has been a big part of our problem that these hostile elites have really infected the minds of the intelligent white people to such an extent we have to go after them. So anyway in closing I hope people would go to our website and tell other people about it.
HP: Definitely do check it out folks, very good stuff, and check out some of Kevin’s books as well. We are going to have some of the links to those up on our website. Tim, let’s switch over to you, any final thoughts, something you would like to leave us with, and do give us your website as well.
TM: The website is whiterabbitradio.net, and if you go there you can watch the Endgame on White Genocide. It is very informative 20-minute piece, a video. It’s for your friends, it’s for your neighbors, it’s straight from the horse’s mouth. It isn’t a lot of speculation. It is just straight from the elites what they’re saying, and you also see about 30 plus minutes of various different animations from Antiracist Hitler which we are famous for, and How Whites Took Over America one too, and our new series Johnny Racist. You get about 30 minutes worth of animation in various different formats for various different audiences, and we have some free podcasts there called Horus the Avenger’s Follow the White Rabbit which kind of like is the linchpin behind a lot of these memes you are hearing, Diversity is a Codeword for White Genocide.
What I would leave the audience with is just, you know, if they are going for a clash of civilizations they are going very quickly. They are putting these immigrants in there, these men, in Europe, in the middle of Europe as well as America not for no reason, but as part of some type of plan. It does not mean they are going to be successful, but they might be able to raise a lot of hell between here and there and they are going very quickly across all their propaganda channels. This isn’t just one channel, whether it be science fiction or anything else, but typically when you look into science fiction it tells you, you know, in a healthy society science fiction should tell you where you want things to be. Media is designed to tell what is happening now from a legitimate fashion, what has been happening. The History Channel should tell you something from a legitimate fashion and science fiction should tell you where you want things to be from some time of legitimate overt healthy way, use of healthy memes, and what not. Our enemy does thing the direct opposite.
One thing that is very clear in their science fiction is that everything starts with catalysts. In other words, to bring about these utopian worlds, and you guys did something on Red Ice with Falling Skies which is something very important because Steven Spielberg wrote it. Steven Spielberg has introduced some of the most successful memes in the history of Western Civilization regarding aliens. I am not going to go into that right this minute. I have gone into that stuff before with you guys, but what I want to say about that is that everything starts with a catalyst, and it need not be an exotic catalyst whether it be an alien invasion or a comet hitting the earth.
Some of their other catalysts they result in a massive change end up being just large wars, okay, a clash of civilizations let’s say, and that ushers in this utopian type humanity that is an Orwellian nightmare for anyone white or we would call it just simply White Genocide. If they are going for that, what I would look for is a hardening of positions which they have already done, but I would look for the Iranian response in Syria. So if you hear the Russians talk about, and I am not talking about Iranian advisors which are already there, but massive amounts of boots on the ground in Syria. I would expect to see a massive flash-point.
That is what they are going for. You are going to see the Saudis come in right there with the Israelis and the Turks, and that might me what they are going for, something very large. If on the other hand, and everything would start in my opinion, and I could be wrong – it is just speculation that you are asking me to do so I am going do it – because they are moving so fast. If they are going for something even more crazy, something apocalyptic, and this group is messianic, this group is insane, they might very well be planning to use technology to do something really extraordinary. I would expect to still see the same thing, Iranian boots on the ground in a major way. You are also going to see, hear more about from the Russians, they are going to be bringing up their new air defense which is actually called a Space Defense now, covering more and more countries, and then we are hearing about some type of WW III type flash point that they are going to try.
You might get John Friend on your website, what I will be looking for is you trace an abnormal amount of messianic messages coming from the Israelis, these crazy rabbis. Rabbis in Israel always give out messianic messages, that is what they are there for, but I mean something really over the top and it would encompass some type of technological event, maybe a special revelation, and that is about the best speculation I can give you. So it all starts to me with whether or not Iran is going to really come into Syria in a big way, but until then we are into this kind of, they are going to keep loading us down and loading us down until the whole thing breaks down.
HP: Very, very interesting. I would not put it past them for sure.
TM:I think they are gearing up for something very large. That is why I would go into what I am looking for, but the ball is in their court basically is what I am saying and they have enough media control to try something extraordinary. Now whether or not it works or they fall flat on their face, I don’t know, but they should be able to raise hell for at least a week or two.
HP: John, the floor is yours. We will you please give us your website as well and any closing thoughts that you have before we round things up here for this time.
JF: Sure thing. Thank you very much. So my personal website is The Realist Report.com and I also write for American Free Press which really is America’s last real newspaper. It is a national bi-weekly publication. It still is printed and shipped out to all subscribers. We also have a way that you can subscribe just strictly to the pdf version. The details are on the website American Free Press.net. I also contribute to a bi-monthly historical review magazine called The Barnes Review which is an excellent source of information. We really cover a lot of issues relating to WWII, particularly from a revisionist perspective. We cover American history and really just the history of Western Civilization. It is a great source of information. It really is a probably the last scholarly revisionist publication in circulation in the entire world today. It is a great source of information. It is a very worth magazine of subscribing to and supporting, so I would encourage people to do that if they are not already. I have set up an Indiegogo fundraiser campaign to help get me through these couple months since I have lost my job. You can find information over there on my website on the upper right hand side of the page. I also of course have a P.O. Box that you can find over on my website as well. So I would encourage people to support pro-White, independent alternative media, people like me, Horus, Dr. MacDonald, you Henrik.
JF: Kyle Hunt is doing great work. You know, there’s many others; the guys over at therighttuff.biz are doing, excellent work. I really think that all of the energy and all of the, you know, the… you know, basically, we’re dominating the conversation now, and, you know, we need support, we need people to step up and, and you know, help keep us going here and take this to the next level. And I think that will happen in the coming weeks and months.
And, you know, just in summary, I think we need to be very honest, and we need to be truthful about what is going on in the world. We need to recognize some very fundamental facts, including the fact that the Jews are waging a war against our entire civilization and they openly say these things. And it’s not racist or antisemitic to say that and point that out, and to be frankly upset about it. You know, it’s righteous; and, you know, we have a very righteous cause, and I think that’s clear for anybody who sits down and investigates these facts. And, you know, I think we have a bright future ahead of us, if we’re honest and we start telling the truth about some of these important topics.
So, you know, thank you very much for having me on today, it’s been a very good conversation, and I tip my hat to the other fine panelists here today.
HP: Well, thank you so much, you are absolutely right. Support here is the key. Thank you for that John. We’ll have all of you guys’ websites up on ours: therealistreport.com, americanfreepress.net, as you mentioned, and of course, also, Kevin’s theoccidentalobserver.net, and Tim’s whiterabbitradio.net.
So, thanks to all of you guys for spending some time with us here today gentlemen, we appreciate your time, keep up the good work, and hopefully we can do it again in the future.
TM: Thank you.
Kmac: Thank you.
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