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[Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British movement, Patriotic Alternative, talks about the shutting down of Anne Marie Waters’ For Britain party, and what lessons that can be learnt from it all.

— KATANA]

Mark Collett

Anne Marie Waters

Shuts Down For Britain

Jul 15, 2022

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(52:22 mins)

Hello everybody. And welcome to today’s video. And here we are. And today we are doing an obituary! We are picking over the bones of For Britain. Because that’s it! It is officially over! It is done! For Britain has been closed as of yesterday, with immediate effect. It’s all finished. Founded in 2017 and closed on July the 13th, 2022.

Now! Before we get into this I’m gonna say something that’s gonna surprise a few people. I’m not actually here to gloat! I’m not gonna sit here for 20, or 30 minutes laughing at this, or poking fun at people. And if you thought that’s what this video was going to be, you’re going to be Sorely disappointed. This isn’t going to be a roast of For Britain. This isn’t going to be a roast, or an attack on Anne Marie Waters.

In fact. I’m going to try and paint a proper and fair analysis. And I’m going to ask what lessons can be learnt from this unfortunate episode? I’m going to try and break all of this down. And I’m going to give you my perspective on where things went wrong. I’m going to give you my perspective on how this went down, and why For Britain failed.

So let’s start by seeing what For Britain had to say. Let’s not just start with saying it was closed. Let’s see what they have to say on the matter. And let’s hear it straight from the horse’s mouth, so to speak.

So I’m gonna go to the For Britain website. This is the For Britain website. They’ve got a statement upon the website. They’ve also emailed this statement out to all the people on their mailing list. I’m not going to read the whole thing. I’m just going to read what I feel are the important bits, the commentary on why they’ve shut up shop. I’m not going to go into all the stuff at the end about what Anne Marie Waters hopes to do in the future.

But let’s read this first. Then I’m going to give some commentary. So here is the full Britain website it’s still up obviously, at the time I’m making this video. Don’t know how long it’s going to be up for after that. But here’s obviously a picture of Anne Marie Waters. And here’s the date 13th of July 2022. So I’m going to read this:

“I am writing to you today with some very important news. I know you may be disappointed by this news. But I also hope you’ll understand the decision For Britain has decided to cease operations as a political party with immediate effect. This has been a very difficult decision, but one that must be taken.

There are a couple of important reasons for this decision, certainly from my own perspective. Firstly support for patriotic politics has collapsed, at least publicly, in recent years. This does not mean that the people don’t agree with us. It simply means they have stopped offering support, especially public support.

So successful has been the campaign of fear and propaganda by our opponents that many people believe that to aspire to live in a Democratic nation state is an act of hatred. It is not.”

Now just a quick interjection here from me. I find this a bit disappointing. Even at the very end, she seems to be saying that For Britain’s primary goal was to ensure British people lived in a democratic nation state. Where’s the mention of fighting to preserve your race, your nation, the integrity of your people? No, she’s leading with something, which is a little bit more watered down. But I’ll carry on. She goes on to say:

“Many believe that politics is corrupt by its very nature. And while this may be true to an extent, the current conduct of politics is worse than I’ve ever known it in my lifetime, and has rapidly deteriorated in the 18 years that I have been involved. Masked, black-clad activists who intimidate people and threaten, and use violence against opponents, are now commonplace. Such thugs have the support of the mainstream media and mainstream politics.

Those of us who believe in the nation state and a return to evidence-based policy on a firm moral foundation are routinely smeared as racists and Nazis, and never afforded a sufficient right of reply! We are not allowed to attend events. And if we do we can expect to be met with a violent mob. Our democracy has therefore collapsed.

More, and more, British people have abandoned party politics altogether. Those who do vote tend to opt for the status quo. If we combined all votes received by small parties in recent elections we still would not come close to threatening the establishment. Support across the board has collapsed! It is a sad indicator of the death of our democracy. Since Covid things have gotten steadily worse. This followed by the cost of living crisis means people have re-prioritized and are unable to continue to support us financially.

From my own perspective I’ve decided to take a break from electoral politics. Though as I’ve always promised I will never give up fighting. I will return to politics when the country is ready.

But for now my energies are better spent. I intend to return to my roots and seek to educate our country about the incompatible cultures, of the growing strength and presence every day.

To this end I will revisit Sharia Watch. I will continue to make videos, write articles, and update my Grooming Gang Report from 2015. I will examine what has happened since that time.”

[6:04]

Now she goes on to talk about other things that she intends to do. However I’m not going to read all that. I’m not going to make extensive commentary on that. Her future plans are up to her, and whether they come into fruition that’s another thing altogether. The fact is, For Britain has been closed!

Now, initially I would say there are four big takeaways from this. Four big takeaways from what I’ve just read to you. Now you might think there are more. And if you do, or if you think I’ve missed anything, feel free to comment in the comment section below. But my four big takeaways from this are the following.

I think Anne Marie Waters and For Britain, or the people involved in running For Britain, had broadly speaking a massive misunderstanding when it comes to the nature of politics itself.

Secondly I think those running For Britain adopted tactics that were, to put it politely, poor. In other words, they were tactics that failed completely.

Thirdly, I think there’s obviously an issue about money.

And finally, fourth and last, but certainly not least, I think Anne Marie Waters and those running For Britain, and many within For Britain, were completely naive! And that’s me being kind. When you read through that. When you look at what she’s saying in that final statement, to say there’s a degree of naivety to what she’s saying is an understatement! She’s writing that as if it’s her first rodeo. As if she doesn’t have any knowledge of politics, how nationalists have been treated in the past. And I would say point four, total naivety! And I’m going to analyze each one of those points in order.

Now the first I said was a broad misunderstanding of politics. Now Anne Marie Waters said that there’s been a collapse in support for nationalism, that people aren’t talking about nationalism as they used to be. That we’re in what would be called a “bust period”, we’re at a low point of a political cycle for nationalism.

But everything is cyclical! There is always boom and busts, there’s boom and busts for the mainstream parties. I mean, I’ll give you an example. Back in 1983 Margaret Thatcher won the general election. The Conservative Party had a Parliamentary majority of 144 seats. And at the time people said:

“Labour was done.”

People said:

“That was the end of the Labour Party.”

That the Labour Party would likely splinter. That it could never recover from such a crushing defeat. The 70s were gone, the militant unions had been defeated. And it seemed like all support for the Labour Party had evaporated. And people were writing their obituary.

But in 1997, Labour staged one of the most dramatic comebacks in British political history! Tony Blair swept to power, with a 179 seat majority. A majority even greater than Thatcher’s! And at the time, what did people say?:

“The Conservatives were done! The Conservatives were a shattered party! How could they come back from a defeat like this?”

A defeat that made Thatcher’s victory looked relatively less impressive, in fact! But here we are. Today we live under a Conservative government, and that 179 seat Labour majority was eroded. So much so, that when Boris Johnson won the last general election he took an 80-seat majority.

Now I know, an 80-seat majority is not as big as the majority that Thatcher had, or Blair had. But it’s still a sizable majority. So you can see that this boom and bust cycle, this one side replacing the other, it happens with the mainstream parties. No party will ever see constant success and growth. Nothing ever sees constant success and growth. There’s always high points and there’s low points.

And so far I’ve just talked about the mainstream parties. But the same is true of, let’s say, fringe parties, or movements that are to the Left, or to the Right of what is described as the centre.

[10:58]

Now we’ve seen this with the Left. The Left saw dramatic growth when the Blair government decided to go to war with Iraq. There was a huge street movement opposing the war in Iraq. This was absolutely massive! Millions of people took to the streets all over the UK. And it was famously the million-man anti-war march through London. And obviously that benefited the stop the war coalition which was effectively a front group for several far-left groups, like the Socialist Workers Party. And they saw growth.

Now today, are they seeing growth? Did they benefit from that in the long run? I don’t think they did. And I would say pretty confidently that those groups are not flying high today. The political circumstances at the time gave those groups a massive boost, and that faded. Because, as I said, boom and bust cycles are absolutely normal in pretty much every industry, every walk of life, or for every political party.

And the same is true when it comes to nationalism. Look at the rise of the alternative, or the dissident Right, post, 20016. We had Brexit. We had the rise of Trump. Trump sensationally won the presidency on the back of a phrase “make America great again” and “build the wall”! Build the wall! Immigration was the talk of the Western world.

You had a President saying that immigration was the greatest threat to our way of life. All of a sudden people were talking about migration. They were talking about demographics. And obviously they were also talking about race. And this was a massive boost for the dissident Right.

And Brexit happened at the same time. Brexit was a massive blow to globalism. It was a massive blow to the idea of these huge, multicultural, communist style, blocks. And again, that was a massive boost for nationalism.

And then on the back of all of that what did we see? We have the rise of BLM! We have the rise of racially based politics, actually coming from the Left. This came from the establishment on the Left. Everyone was talking about race. And obviously they were pushing White guilt. That drove a lot of people to the dissident Right.

And, because of Trump, because of Brexit, because of BLM, we saw our numbers swell. This was our boom period! And Anne Marie Waters may be right we’re now in a bit of a cooling off period. And that’s normal.

BLM is now forgotten. We’ve been banned heavily on social media. Social media has been closed off to us so we can’t get our message out to the people. Trump had, I believe, the election stolen from him. And he’s obviously no longer the President.

And Brexit became such a mess. I think a lot of people would rather forget the whole thing. It was a bit of a farce. People voted for a hard Brexit. They voted to get out of the EU, and the politicians didn’t really deliver on that. Because I don’t think any of the politicians even the ones who claim to be supporting Brexit, really supported a full withdrawal from the globalist system.

And many people voted Brexit as a protest against things, such as globalism, and immigration. And all promises about those things have never come into fruition! The politicians never made good on them.

So our core issues have, at the moment, taken a bit of a backseat. They’re taking a backseat to things such as Covid. She’s right about that. Things such as the cost of living crisis. And when people talk about the cost of living crisis, when they talk about Covid, they don’t initially associate the fight back against those issues with a nationalist party. So yeah, we’re probably not in a boom period.

But I’ve got to say this; boom and bust is natural. And as soon as you have the first bump in the road, you don’t give up! You don’t throw in the towel. You have to ride the waves you have to take the highs with the lows. And you have to navigate through the highs and lows the best you can, to look after your organization and to keep people on board your ship. And this has happened time, and time again.

If you look at the National Front towards the end of the 70s it was riding high. Thousands and thousands of people on their marches. It looked like it was going places. Thatcher came to power and it went into a nationalist recession.

You saw this with the British National Party. It had numerous highs. It got a council elected in 1993, and it grew rapidly. That council was then unseated and it went into a bit of a recession. It grew rapidly again around, 2001, 2002, up to 2004, before going again into a bit of a recession after a disappointing set of results in the 2004 European elections and in the 2005 general election. Only for it to boom again in around, 20006, right up to 2009. This happens! You have to take the good with the bad, and be there for the long run!

Most importantly if you believe that Britain and the British people are worth saving, or worth fighting for, something you care about, you’ve got a soldier on! You’ve got a soldier on. You’ve got to grit your teeth. And you’ve got to battle on! So that was the first issue that I wanted to talk about.

The second I said Britain, oh sorry, For Britain. Nearly said Britain First then. For Britain have tactically failed. Now this is a bit of a broader topic. Because I believe that For Britain adopted numerous tactics that didn’t help them in the long run.

Now. Firstly, I think nationalism attracts people who are obviously primarily opposed to mass immigration and demographic change. That is our big point. That’s the thing that we are most associated with. But the people that nationalism attracts, the people who come to a nationalist party, also tend to be conservative with a small “c”. They tend to be traditionalists. They tend to have a dislike for modernity, progressive politics. And what we know, or what we would describe as “moral degeneracy”.

Now I think Anne Marie Waters herself, and I don’t want to get into bashing her, or demeaning her, or having a go at her. But I think Anne Marie Waters was a bit of a divisive character. Now obviously she was somebody who was anti-immigration. She was anti-Islam. And I believe she was genuine. I believe that she did have a heartfelt opposition to the growth of Islam and to mass immigration.

But I believe the reason that she opposed mass immigration, and the growth of Islam, was different to the reason that I oppose mass immigration and Islam. She seemed to oppose mass immigration and Islam, because she claimed they were a threat to “liberal values”. They were a threat to the LGBT community. They were a threat to our liberal, Democratic, tolerant society.

Now obviously she’s a lesbian. And I think we all know that. And I think she wanted to oppose Islam and mass immigration largely to protect her group. To protect the LGBT community. Which obviously will eventually clash with radical Islam, or with other immigrant groups that are not on board with a liberal LGBT agenda.

Now I, on the other hand, I think mass immigration is a symptom of liberalism. I’m not trying to protect liberalism from mass immigration. I want liberalism gone! I want mass immigration gone! And I think all facets of liberalism are harmful to the British people, to Britain, to our nation. And I think liberalism itself needs replacing.

Myself, Patriotic Alternative we are not campaigning to stop immigration and the growth of Islam, in order to ensure the survival of the LGBT pride parade! Ultimately if the LGBT pride parade goes, that’s a good thing! That’s a good thing! I would prefer nationalists to be the ones that legislated for an end to those public displays of degeneracy.

But ultimately if Islam is the group that legislates for an end to all of that, I won’t be happy that I’ve been replaced. But if I’m there to see it, I’m certainly not going to be standing with the LGBT crowd. I think the LGBT crowd has brought about numerous changes in the UK which are very, very bad for the British people! Very, very bad for the family! And bad for the moral fabric of our society.

But Anne Marie Waters seemed to support that and other policies.

Now, I’ll give an example of other policies, not just all about the gay pride march. But I remember not long ago I can’t remember the exact the exact year, or the month. But there was a lot of talk in the press about a possible war with Iran. The zionist lobby in America was really ramping up the pressure for a war with Iran. And I was totally against this. I think almost everybody that I knew, I say almost everybody, I don’t know anyone else, other than Anne Marie Waters and For Britain on the dissident Right who weren’t in favour of this war with Iran. But she was!

And her reason, her reason she wanted regime change, and she openly came out and said she wanted regime change in Iran, is, because she basically wanted America and Britain to go into Iran, defeat the regime, and plant a rainbow flag on Iranian soil!

That’s what she was saying. She wanted to bring Western liberal democracy to Iran, and defeat Islam in Iran. I don’t! Iranian politics is down to the people of Iran. They have a right to choose. And if they don’t want LGBT politics in Iran, good for them! Good for them! If they don’t want their children going to Drag Queen Story Hour, good for them! If they don’t want people walking through the streets in broad daylight wearing bondage gear and performing sex acts on each other, in the name of pride, good for them!

And I certainly find it abhorrent that anyone in the West would want to invade that country to impose moral degeneracy on them. And I think when Anne Marie Waters was coming out with stuff like that, it drove away a lot of what I would call traditional nationalists. People who would regard themselves as conservative with a small “c”. I think that was one of her major tactical failures.

Another tactical failure from before Britain was a lack of community building. Now I find it very, very interesting that the announcement of the shutdown of For Britain came just a few days after the biggest Patriotic Alternative camp took place. Now we just had our biggest ever camping event, and they’ve just announced they’ve got no support and have shut up shop.

Well how can two dissident riot groups have very, very different experiences? Such different experiences that one has just reached a new height. And the other has just shut up shop.

Well, we base what we do on community. And I’ve always said we are community first. Building that community is what matters. And building that community, and building ties that bind members of that community together, is what keeps you as a whole. And what prevents people drifting off during the bad times? It’s easy to stay together in the good times when everyone’s talking about race, when nationalism is flying high. But through the bad times it’s hard to stay together. But community is what keeps you going.

And I’ll give you a couple of examples. I’ve met thousands of people through my life. But two of my closest friends, a guy called Steve, and a guy called Paul. I met Steve in 2001, 2002. And we still speak all the time. We still do stuff together. Why is that? Because we had a lot in common. We became friends. We go mountain biking together, we do outdoor pursuits together. We go camping together. We have a lot in common. We talk and we go out together. We do stuff. We meet up for a meal.

My friend Paul, met him in about 2006, maybe 2007. We have gaming in common. And we have a number of other things in common too. And we’ve always stayed in touch. Great friends talk regularly, do stuff together. That’s because we were united by more than just a shared dislike for mass immigration.

[25:00]

And that’s why PA has all these different groups under it’s umbrella. That’s why we have PA fitness. That’s why we have the hiking groups. That’s why we have the music group. That’s why we have the Patriotic Arts Community. That’s why we have the gaming groups. We bring people together. And these people have a shared interest in politics. But then, we try to get these people mixing with others within our circles, who have the same interests outside of politics. And that is what you need to do. You need a community. You need shared interests. You need shared hobbies. And that binds people together.

And you will see that around half of the PA events are political, and around half of them a community. And that mix has helped us to keep our heads above water during these leaner times, leaner times.

Now I think another major problem with the For Britain strategy, or major problem with their tactics, was their electoral tactics. Now, in the last few years For Britain have favoured an electoral strategy of parachuting candidates into Parliamentary by-elections, and hoping that a single candidate with a single leaflet, which is delivered for free by the Royal Mail, would somehow make some massive breakthrough. Would somehow reach out to the people and get a massive wave of support potentially even winning one of these Parliamentary by-elections on the back of a protest vote.

Now that hasn’t happened, that hasn’t happened at all! In fact, the For Britain election results have shown just how disastrous this strategy is. And we’re going to look at a couple of them.

Firstly we’re going to look at one from 2021. And this is the election that Anne Marie Waters herself stood in. So this was particularly embarrassing. Because this is the leader of a party standing in a by-election. And this was Batley and Spen.

Now Batley and Spen was a former Labour stronghold, well, still as a Labour stronghold. It’s always been a Labour area. And it’s what you would describe as a mixed area as well, demographically. There was a lot of racial tension in that area. It was the area where you had those protests outside the school. Where a Muslim group were protesting in a very aggressive manner calling for the sacking of a teacher. There was national outcry about that.

So you think this would be a place where a nationalist party would do particularly well. But as you can see, For Britain, Anne Marie Waters, 97 votes. To put this into perspective the winning candidate, Kim Ledbetter, got 13,296 votes. As I say that is absolutely massive! It dwarfs Anne Marie Waters votes. She took just 0.3% of the vote. And embarrassingly as a leader of the party, she came a number of places behind the Monster Raving Looney Party. The Monster Raving Looney Party took 107 votes! Actually beating Anne Marie Waters. So that was pretty embarrassing.

And then there was a second vote and this vote came very, very recently. This vote was in the Tiverton and Honiton by-election in 2022. That was this year. It was traditionally a Conservative seat. The Conservatives lost it to the liberal Democrats. And For Britain, Frankie Ruffalo, he took more votes than Anne Marie Waters. He took 146. He came actually last. And he took just 0.3%. So, as a percentage, exactly the same as Anne Marie Waters. And again to put it in perspective, the winning candidate Richard Ford, for the liberal Democrats, took 22, 537 votes! So again very embarrassing.

And both seats quite different. One seat traditionally Labour, with some racial tensions. The other seat traditionally Conservative. The kind of place where people go to church on a Sunday morning. Where they’re very traditional. But both places disastrous results!

Now, I will say this. I still believe elections are an important string to our bow. But the focus must be local! We must focus on local politics, community-based efforts. Not these big Parliamentary by-elections, not just parachuting in a candidate and putting out one leaflet via Royal Mail, with no real other work done. When I say “real other work”, I mean, real other work is community based work. It’s litter picks, it’s local leafleting on local issues, it’s going and attending local events, local focus groups. It’s helping local people.

It is not turning up and doing a couple of stores in the city centre. It’s not driving about with a flatbed van with a board on the back screeching things at people through a microphone. It is not doing confrontational events outside say local mosques, or anything like that! When I say “real work” to support the election, I mean, proper local politics. The kind that the BNP used to do.

And the BNP had huge amounts of experience in this. Years of work went into BNP candidates getting elected. And at their height the BNP had 56 councils elected, and one county councillor. That was absolutely fantastic!

[30:40]

But those candidates spent years winning those seats. Spent years building their local profile. Leafleting their wards again, and again, and again with local leaflets focused on local issues. Potholes, dog poo in the park, needles in the park, graffiti on the Church wall, damage to the local bus shelter. Those things aren’t as glamorous as the big issues. But they’re important to local people.

And most importantly when you focus on those council wards, especially on smaller wards, it’s a lot easier to do. It’s a lot easier to knock on every door in a ward, where there are only 2,000 electors, than it is to knock on every door in a Parliamentary seat.

And I don’t think For Britain had any support on the ground, in either Batley and Spen, or in Tiverton and Honiton. And the results spoke for themselves. They were punishing! Punishing!

Now finally there was one other tactical faux pas that For Britain made. And I think it was a last gasp attempt to save the party. They teamed up with Tommy Robinson! They got Tommy Robinson on board. They thought this was going to work wonders for them. And get all the Tommy Robinson supporters signing up, getting involved. And it didn’t really work out.

Now, here’s an article announcing this. Now this was announced just earlier this year. I’ll see if I can find a date:

“Tommy Robinson joins For Britain!”

And there’s Tommy and Anne Marie. Now what’s the date for this? What’s the date? We’re in the comment sections, now. Now I can see from here, the date of this was the 10th of March. Just on the 10th of March this year Tommy Robinson joined For Britain. And this was meant to drastically improve their fortunes!

And the top comment here [chuckling], actually this is quite funny. I’ve just noticed this. It says, a guy called Terry Terrence Clinton wrote the following:

“I get knocked down. But I get up again. Nothing ever gonna keep me down. This chorus could have been made for Tommy Robinson and Anne Marie Waters. The driven dynamic duo!”

Well, I can tell you one thing Terry, that comment has aged like a piece of cheese left out in the sun, on a hot summer’s day! [chuckling] Because obviously it’s over for the dynamic duo.

Now in fairness Tommy Robinson is undoubtedly a household name. But bringing him on board with a political party has never, ever, helped that party. Now this has been done three times.

It happened first with the original British Freedom Party. The British Freedom Party was a small, short-lived party run by a guy called Paul Weston. It started I think in October 2010, and it ran until the end of 2012. So lasted just over two years. Tommy Robinson came on board, had no real effect. The party collapsed.

It also didn’t help UKIP. Now Tommy was never formally allowed to join you UKIP, although he tried. His application was blocked by the National Council. But when Gerard Batten was leader, Gerard Batten took him on as a special adviser as a way to get him on board. Obviously he wanted to be a member. It’s as good as a membership. He was offered this position as special adviser. And again this was to bring all the Tommy supporters on board with UKIP, and give them a big shot in the arm. It didn’t work. UKIP collapsed shortly afterwards in a spectacular fashion.

And it also didn’t help For Britain. You know, Anne Marie Waters brought Tommy on in March this year. And in July, it’s all over. They’ve shut up shop. So it clearly didn’t give them the shot in the arm they hoped for.

But why you ask does bringing this household name, this sort of anti-Islam celebrity on board, why doesn’t that help a party?

Well I’ll tell you why. Tommy brings with him a certain type of people. He brings with him people who like street demonstrations. These are people who like coming out for a huge event once every couple of months, once every three months. And they enjoy it! They turn up they have a few beers, they have a sing, they chant some slogans, they go to the pub afterwards. They have a few more beers. It’s a big day out! Then they go home, having had a wonderful time, thinking they’ve done their bit. And they wake up the next day with a bit of a hangover.

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Now that kind of person does not fit well into a political party. That is not the type of person who wants to put on a suit, shirt and tie, knock on doors. That’s not the kind of person who wants to get deeply involved in community politics. It’s not the kind of person you can rely on to be out leafleting in the rain, every other day, in the run-up to an important local election. Those people don’t seem to value the activities that you need to carry out if you’re intending to build a real political community.

So whilst Tommy was, and is – not taking anything away from him – he doesn’t like me. I don’t particularly like him. I’m not taking anything away from him. He is a big name. But bringing that big name on board didn’t result in any growth for them, and it has never resulted in any growth for any political party who has taken him on board. So that’s the tactics done with.

Thirdly, she talks about money. Now I think this really stuck out to a lot of people. And I don’t think anyone could have missed it when she claimed that her departure was in part due to finances. She said people just weren’t donating anymore. People had given up sending money to For Britain. And I’ll bring that bit up again. I’ll see if I can find it, because it’s important to get this correct. Where did she say it now? Because she did say that it was in part due to, … Here it is:

“Since Covid things have gotten steadily worse. This followed by the cost of living crisis, means people have re-prioritized and are able to continue to support us financially.”

So obviously what she’s saying is the level of financial support has massively dropped off for her.

Now that obviously is not good for their organization. But again this prompts a few questions. What was For Britain? Was For Britain a business for her, and her close associates? Were some of those people just involved in the party, or the For Britain movement, as they called themselves, for the money? Well, I can’t answer that. I’ve got to say, maybe yes, maybe no, who knows?

Maybe some were, and maybe some people were highly dedicated and were in it for the right reasons.

Now, as I said, I have seen the boom and bust cycle affect nationalist parties in the past. I was there when the BNP were taking large numbers of donations. And I was there when people were working for the BNP, for 500 quid, 600 quid a month. And they were more, or less, working full-time for the party, for a part-time wage. I was one of those people.

When I was first employed for the BNP I was earning less than 600 pounds a month from them. It was nothing! And many other young people walked that line as well. There were many people who gave huge amounts of time and energy on a full-time basis. On a more than full-time basis, because they were working all day full-time.

And when they weren’t working full-time for the party, they’re out in the evenings doing activism for the party. So if you weren’t at your desk working for the party, you’re out doing activism for the party. And I was one of those people.

And when the party went through harsh times you accepted a pay cut, you tightened your belt. That’s what happened. And again very, very disappointing that they would say:

“Well donations aren’t what they were back in 2017, or back during the BLM riots, when we got a lot more interest. So what we’re going to do is we’re basically going to shut up shop. It’s not a viable business model anymore.”

Well, this isn’t a business! Nationalism and the nationalist party should always be run in a business-like way. But it is not a business. And if we have to tighten our belts, if we have to make a few cuts, we don’t just give up, because we’re going through a bad period.

Now finally I did say there was one last thing I wanted to analyze. I suggested there were four things that we could learn from this. And the last I said. And you probably think it might be a little uncharitable. But I said the last was naivety. And I said it was total naivety! It wasn’t just naivety. It was complete naivety!

And I believe. And I do believe this. And this isn’t going to just be a knock at anyone. I actually think this is true. And I think it’s very telling actually.

I think Anne Marie Waters, and many of her softer supporters, were extremely naive! I’m not saying that to be nasty. I don’t want to poke fun at these people. But she did say the following in her letter announcing the closure of For Britain. She said this:

“Those of us who believe in the nation state and return to evidence-based policy, based on a firm and moral foundation are routinely smeared as racists and Nazis, and never afforded a sufficient right to reply. We are not allowed to attend events. And if we do, we can expect to be met with a violent mob.”

They are her words. And I say:

“Well. Yeah! What did you expect? What did you expect! Exactly the same thing has happened to the BNP. Happened to the National Front, post Second World War. And it happened to the BUF, pre-second World War.

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Anybody who tries to stop the globalist machine will be attacked, smeared, and dragged through the mud. I’ve been involved in this course for over 20 years. And it’s been happening to me, the BNP, all nationalist groups, throughout those two decades. And things have got a lot worse over the last few years. In the last few years we’ve been banned from social media, we’ve been kicked off Facebook, Twitter, YouTube. We have been pushed to the very fringes of the internet, which was once a fertile recruitment ground for us.

And she also says that we’re not given a fair platform. Well, we’ve always been excluded from TV debates. We’ve always been excluded from the debates before Parliamentary elections. We’ve always been a publicly attacked and rubbished and have poisoned pieces in the press written about us. But do we give in, or do we dig our heels in and fight? Well, you dig your heels in and fight! Who said this was going to be easy? It obviously wasn’t going to be easy.

And this is where the naivety comes in. You see, I believe that some For Britain supporters, and to a degree Anne Marie Waters herself, clearly thought that if they just presented their policies to the public in a slightly more polite manner, if they just distanced themselves from those nasty nationalists, who talked of race, if they just embraced liberalism a little bit more, they would be spared the public condemnation that has been leveled at groups like the National Front, and the British National Party, and now Patriotic Alternative!

And I think Anne Marie Waters also used her sexual identity. She used the fact that she’s a lesbian, as almost like a reputational shield:

“Look here! It’s a woman! And it’s not just a woman. But it’s a lesbian!”

She’s part of liberalism! She holds liberal beliefs, but she’s just concerned about immigration. She’s obviously gonna be given a fair chance!”

Well, I’m sorry folks. But that’s not just naivety, that is total naivety! To believe the powers that be would just play fair and give Anne Marie Waters and For Britain a level playing field, let them present their points, let them use all the social media platforms, and just stand by as For Britain, Waltz into power, without any real opposition! Well, I’m sorry that’s not just naive. That’s not just totally naive, that is delusional!

And I can tell you now, this fight that we’re engaged in, that real nationalists are engaging. This is going to be long, it’s going to be hard. And our enemies will use every dirty trick at their disposal to stop us.

And frankly if you’re not ready for that. And if you don’t understand the levels of commitment that will be necessary, you’re not going to be around for long. And clearly many people in For Britain weren’t ready. They brought into the, or bought into the Anne Marie Waters hype! They thought the battle would be wrapped up in a couple of years. They thought they would avoid the condemnation, the slurs, the use of the term Nazi, because she was a lesbian! And sadly they were mistaken. The battle hasn’t been wrapped up. In fact, the only thing that’s been wrapped up is For Britain itself!

So that’s where I think For Britain went wrong. And I know we’re already pushing an hour. But let me give you my conclusions, because I’m going to do a few conclusions.

Firstly, I’ve got to say. I think it’s rather ironic that the last event, the last political event that Anne Marie Waters attended, well publicly anyway, was an anti-immigration demo in York. Now she ended up standing alongside Patriotic Alternative activists and supporters. And she even used out loud hailer to address the crowd! And our activists were numerous on that day. We had good numbers there. We were the largest part of that demonstration. And all that, guys left on a high.

The video of Sam Melia speaking to the public in York went down a storm. The speech was incredible! Sam Melia, he really did get people going that day. He inspired people. And he left on a high. When people saw the video of him speaking they felt a buzz.

But I should imagine Anne Marie Waters left that day feeling rather crestfallen, feeling rather depressed, seeing that she had very few people. I think there was only one, or two people there supporting her. And she must have left feeling the very opposite to what the PA supporters felt.

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And then we had the result in Tiverton and Honiton. And that must have compounded it all. Another punishing by-election result, 0.3 and a complete and utter embarrassment! But saying all that I’m not gonna knock her too much. And, as I said, earlier. I’m not here to gloat. And I haven’t been gloating. Because despite the fact that myself and her, we weren’t best friends, we had our differences. She criticized me. I criticized her. She made a video about me. I said I thought that her tactical approach was wrong.

But still. Saying all that, she will have appealed to some people. Some people will have loved the way she approached nationalism, the way she approached nationalist politics. And some people will have come to For Britain with an awful amount of enthusiasm.

And sadly many of those people, if they’re still around, will take the closure of For Britain as a real knock. This will get some people depressed. Some people will now leave politics all together, and they will feel an overwhelming sense of hopelessness, and defeat, like it’s not worth fighting! Let’s just keep our heads down, pretend the problems aren’t there. We’ll move house, we’ll go to a Whiter area. Live our days out there, and pretend it’s all not happening.

That’s what some of those people will do. And they’ll never engage in politics again. And that makes me sad. I feel really disappointed by that, because we don’t want people walking away from the movement. We don’t want people feeling helpless, and powerless, and defeated. Because that sense of defeatism it infects the movement and it weakens it.

And obviously I hold an olive branch out to all of those people. I say to those people, or if you’re one of those people, if you’re genuinely interested in real nationalism, and I say real nationalism. What I mean, if you’re genuinely interested in stopping the indigenous people of the British Isles becoming a minority. If you want to be part of a real nationalist community, then get on board with us! For Britain doesn’t exist anymore! Get on board with us, you are more than welcome.

Join our regional groups, come to our hikes, come to our dinners, come to our events, come and help us leaflet, come and attend the demonstrations that we’re part of get involved in the banner drops. If you are interested in being part of a community that isn’t just going to shut up shop and run away at the first sign of trouble, Patriotic Alternative is the organization for you.

Now there’s another sad thing to all this. They have shut up shop, their campaigns weren’t great. But that doesn’t mean some people didn’t try. And I think it’s sad that a number of people, I don’t know how many, but a number of people, probably quite a few, will have poured an immense amount of time, effort, and money, into For Britain. And now they’ve got nothing to show for it. Nothing at all. And that’s very, very disappointing. And those people are going to feel deflated and sad.

But again I hold out an olive branch to those people. We’re not going to ask you for money. We don’t have a membership system. We don’t charge membership fees. There are no monthly subs. And you won’t be getting weekly begging letters from us! We’ve never sent out a begging letter!

But, we do have a vibrant community that you can be part of, and you can make that community your home. And you will be welcomed.

And I suppose that’s the real takeaway from all this. If we have one big final takeaway from all of this, it’s that maybe nationalism isn’t in the best state right now. Maybe we aren’t riding as high as we were in 2016, and, 200017, when it was all Brexit and Trump. Maybe race isn’t on the agenda as it was years ago when BLM riots tore Western cities apart.

But despite all of that, Patriotic Alternative continues to grow! We have just had our biggest camp ever, with 170 people camping in the beautiful English countryside. And there are videos of that. There’s promotional material showing off what we did there. It was an amazing event.

So why do we continue to grow? I think it’s, because we understand that the most fundamental point of building a movement is that first and foremost community matters! This fight to save our people, to save our race and nation, is going to be a long drawn-out struggle. It’s going to be a struggle. It’s going to be hard!

And fundamentally if nationalists are going to weather this long and brutal storm, and survive to see the sun break through the clouds, we need to be honest with ourselves about the nature of the struggle, and what it will entail for us to win. We need to adopt the Right tactics. And we need to stick to those tactics. And we need to choose tactics that will eventually bear fruit and yield real results.

But above all, no matter how bad things get, no matter whether nationalism is at one of its high points, or whether it’s at a low, we must stand together as a community, if we are going to have any hope of weathering this storm! Because I can tell you this now, it is a community that will take us to the highest heights. But most importantly it is a community that allows us to survive the lowest lows.

Thank you for watching. I hope you stuck around to the end. I hope you are well. And I’ll see you all again soon. Thank you and good bye.

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@HennyPenny
2 days ago
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£150,000 in donations to ForBritain; £106,000 of that spent on Waters’ salary, pension, and expenses; £1,400 spent on actual election campaigning. Something amiss, surely?
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@UKrobm
1 day ago
Wow, is that stat real? If so… absolutely shocking! Seems like a terrible grift!
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@ourresidentbaker
2 days ago
Tommy Robinson and Anne Marie-Waters, a marriage made in Tel-Aviv!
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@AryanizedGoebbelsboo
2 days ago
Im sure if Tommy Robinson was to make a party he would call David Barnea Cohen at Mossad for some funding.
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@Larry_Reborn
2 days ago
Good. All the fake nationalist grifters really need to be kicked to the kerb.
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@HarmonicWay
2 days ago
Yea , he won’t be grinning then , will he?
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
AMW supporter ?
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@HarmonicWay
2 days ago
Not me mate , don’t really know much about her to be quite honest other than she was for britain.
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@AspectofDivinity
2 days ago
You are all fake and grifters lol.
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@Milu_the_black_dog
1 day ago
I agree that fackers need to be kicked out of this movement…but at some point you need to realize that nationalism in itself was to blame for the world wars…in the sense that the jews used it to exploit hostilities among europeans-americans and the rest of the world…Still to this day, they use it to promote the ukranian war and middle east wars…and I predict that even in the future, with all the mixed nationalities within western societies, they will still use it to promote wars to further Israel’s agenda…My point is that, unless you address the jewish problem first, returning to Britain 1800-1900 will not fix things at all….You were already under Rothschilds’ controll back in those days!
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@MattHammond
2 days ago
Maybe don’t mention Israel in your manifesto next time Anne!
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@JohnKotarsky
2 days ago
I once liked Tommy Robinson. I liked his free speech stance. But the more he went on, the more I found out, and the more I thought him a grifter hack.
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@Rajagra
2 days ago
He lost me when he laughed about declining numbers of White people.
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@LatinThunder
2 days ago
He’s the perfect example of the Cornelieu quote about using your last bullet on a traitor instead of the enemy.
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
me too
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
the problem with free speech and defending it is, you defend the evil people who hate you and want to take yours
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@Milu_the_black_dog
1 day ago
I don’t know the exact numbers, but many of us followed the dissident path starting as blue pilled normies/liberals who didn’t like migration…all the way into the jewish and race question…And of course, we all heard about Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Tim Pool, Tommy, Sargon…and moved up from them…But the real important point is that, once you get here…there is no turning back…
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@JohnKotarsky
1 day ago
Amen.
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@InflammationGainz
8 hours ago
soy vey, such a shame he became a zionist boot licker
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@EarthlingCarl
2 days ago
Will the carpet muncher finally come on PWR now she has nothing to lose?
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
It would be interesting if she did appear on PWR.
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@AspectofDivinity
2 days ago
Why would she? Lol
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@Melgibsmedat
1 day ago
What does Anne have in common with Muslims?
They’re both face down on the rug every day.
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@deadman
20 hours ago
please make videos again. we miss your takes
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
Good news, a grifter less
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@JonathanBowden
2 days ago
Clearly, the Jews pulled the plug on For Britain within two weeks of AMW sharing a platform with PA.
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@Melgibsmedat
2 days ago
Anne retired from ‘nationalism’ to become a gay pride festival organizer in Tel-Aviv.
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@BerenOfDorthonion
2 days ago
LMAO
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@Rajagra
2 days ago
We need a single, unashamed nationalist party that openly puts our native population ahead of immigrants.
The trouble is, we need it 20 years ago at least. I don’t think we can make people realise fast enough that every part of our government despises us and wants us replaced. It’s inconceivable to them, despite it now being so obvious.
With the proposed new laws on censorship, we’re almost out of time.
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@KnavishDave
2 days ago
i dont share your pessimism, but we must all agree that any nationalist parties should work with one another and share a certain number of manifesto promises and moral values..those who dont OR rely on the eternal grift must be ridiculed by all.
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@GusinLanzarote
1 day ago
You make a good point friend SADLY EVERY YEAR that passes worsens the position- however sincere & hard working Mark/ Laura/ PA are it will be HARDER for them to win than it was for the BNP 20 years ago- just as the National Front would have found it easier to garner support than the BNP did. This isnt just due to demographics- though this is a factor. The numbers of people who can remember how a homogenous society was better & who didnt grow up with PC indoctrination in schools- grows smaller every year. Hence we lose a great number of supporters every year through old age & death whilst most of the young are totally brainwashed. To give just one example- I remember in prison service training some young social conformist millennial girl who sat in class & condemned HER OWN Granddad for using the word “pof” & not liking multiculturalism-so that is one example of a family gone from based to woke- this will be repeated ad infinitum.
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@FrozenFire147
1 day ago
Even if you don’t have enought time you have to save what you can
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@AlexRyan
2 days ago
I hope PA will become a Registered Political Party.
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@AspectofDivinity
2 days ago
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
there might be less people active on the dissident right but our ideas have gone mainstream (at least in America) This is just the quiet before the storm
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@HEREWARD_SILVATICI
2 days ago
“Im not here to gloat….” – but the huge grin at the start said it all I thought For Britain were dead ages ago – who’s heard of them in the last couple of years?
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@SublimeBraid
2 days ago
The (((backers))) of For Britain feel the nationalist threat is no longer significant. If the threat should re-emerge, (((they’ll))) quickly ramp it up again.
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@VicTomised
2 days ago
Strange timing with Lauren Southern’s “recent expose”.
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@GavTrope
13 hours ago
Very interesting point, good spot. They are clearing house of the co-opted.
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@RetardedBoWinkle
2 days ago
when that woman started on about supporting israel she proved she knows nothing
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@GavTrope
13 hours ago
Or she showed her hand, either way not good.
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@White_Noise
2 days ago
I rotfpmsl when I saw this yesterday! Give people real nationalism or the gate keeper controlled opposition version, and shockingly, people choose the real thing!
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@JokerIPA
2 days ago
She complains about being called nazi while accusing the leader of PA of being a self confessed nazi sympathiser – or words to that effect, but the accusation is “not true” of her. She doesn’t seem to understand that the term is simply a political epithet unfairly confined to a particular period in German history which forever evokes images of the Totenkopf, runes, 6, and the swastika etc. I’m sure Mark would be happy to sit down and talk with her, (one would hope) but would she reciprocate? I doubt it.
Either she doesn’t get it, or, she was being completely disingenuous to up her membership – didn’t work. Initially I did agreed with her on certain subjects, but her association with Mr Robinson (that fool) turned me off. It’s really no loss. Most likely her party, and funding, ran out of steam.
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@White_Noise
2 days ago
Anne Marie Waters, possibly every man’s last choice for a lesbian threesome! lol
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@FrozenFire147
1 day ago
lmao
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@DissidentDoctrine
2 days ago
Oh, dear. This is terrible news. AMW was such an inspirational figure; A political titan, an expert in JQ lore, an ambassador for sobriety and an absolute stunner to boot…
The preservation and continuation of our traditional British way of life rested entirely upon the shoulders of this little Irish lesbian.
We are truly doomed. What time is the candle-lit vigil?
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@AwhiteLife
2 days ago
Exactly, she joined every mainstream party – failed to be noticed in the all, started her own , got blind drunk on a livestream , sold hesoul to israhell and failed again. Any Gay or lesbian will never succeed n any type of nationalist party. They are not in a position to call out other forms of degeneracy because of the lifestyle they themselves lead, Anne-Marie knows that, that & the alcohol was her downfall. I’m not sure how she will hold herself together now if the drink still has a hold on her. Hopefully she will have friends or a partner to help her through.
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@DissidentDoctrine
2 days ago
Nicely put. You decrypted the sarcasm into something more useful.
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@NormalStyleCrew
2 days ago
oy vey
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@GrapeSkoda
2 days ago
I wouldn’t be so hard on her.
A lot of her rhetoric was in the right place, and they had moved away from their overt support for Israel.
I’m not even against Israel existing; I’m indifferent.
The only point that ever needs to be made, is admiration for their Citizenship Policies and their Nation-State Policies, with a wish to replicate them here.
This is of-course an underhanded jab at their double-standards, and a way to make people aware of said Semitic hypocrisy.
There is no comfortable way out of that statement for them, without them revealing their hand.
She also held the same points regarding Indigenous Britons.
There is hope for her I assume, but she doesn’t seem to fully understand the value of genes and how these shape all of the concurrent social-values she otherwise holds dear.
Genes/Demographics/Ethnic-Groups are the linchpin of it all.
Everything else starts and ends with gene-clusters.
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
She was probably the one who doxxed Iconoclast
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@max1anderson
2 days ago
There can be only one nationalist group.
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@AspectofDivinity
2 days ago
And it will fail like always, because you dont put your will before your precious morals
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@GusinLanzarote
1 day ago
Good Riddance to the grifting liberal lesbian who just happened to dislike Islam & so engaged in cosplay as a patriot & Right winger..too many fell for it
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@AntipodeanNat
2 days ago
Would really enjoy the return of shorter / edited 10-15 minute videos, instead of long-form videos or livestreams. I’m a fan of your content but not all of us can consistently sink 1 or 2 hours into watching :/
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@Strawberry_Lynn
2 days ago
Unfortunately, they take a long time to make, hence the change in format
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@TruthTube80
2 days ago
Are there any teachers in PA?
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@PhilMcCracken
2 days ago
Interesting breakdown of the ‘mainstream dissident right’ in the British islands for a legacy american/ethnically British individual who has 400 years and 4000 miles distance. We’re really not that far apart at all.
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@warrior9ster
2 days ago
Mark you have invited For Britain Members to PA but would you invite Anne Maria Waters to join??
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@NATIONAL-SAXONIST
20 hours ago
He shouldn’t do that at all. We don’t need liberal zionist lesbians anywhere near out movement.
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@BritannicIslander
2 days ago
Even Israel must be feeling the financial pinch and is therefore reducing its overseas funding.
That said an childless lesbian was probably not going to be the most successful leader of resistance.
Also, I’m not sure there is a drop in support in Nationalism, there is the realization that person or group has come forwards that looks like it has the people strong enough to face the truly staggering threat we are under. We need leaders for the coming War, scholar-warriors and we don’t have them yet.
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@FrozenFire147
1 day ago
Sam and Mark are leaders
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@MichaelB
4 hours ago
Hail PA!
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@GavTrope
13 hours ago
You are a gentleman Mr Collett
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@Lupus
1 day ago
Okay, then for Briitain M arie is not for me, only Alternative for Britain will be the only choise. I am a member Of Alternative For Sweden, as a member and also a member of Alternative for Britain, as my daughter lives in the yorkshire area, this is important to me, many thank’s to you Mark, keep up the good work. Grettings from Sweden
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@FrozenFire147
1 day ago
Mark you are brilliant, you should have a protege that could be tought everything you know just in case
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@johnlwoods8
2 days ago
What is your opinion of the British Democrats?
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@johnlwoods8
2 days ago
Great words, Mark! I’m behind you all the way!
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@runtsmeadow
2 days ago
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That’s the first cheese comment for a while.
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@runtsmeadow
2 days ago
Flattering photos of AMW don’t really exist, but using this one seems a bit mean.
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@ScottRousell
21 hours ago
who cares
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@runtsmeadow
20 hours ago
I do, obviously!
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@AggroedSaxon
2 days ago
“This is an ex-parrot…”- AMW
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@TheThinRedLine
2 days ago
Good points especially from the 40 minute mark
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@david_smith
2 days ago
Is this dude still going to be making episodes of Top Gear?
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@Mcavoy
2 days ago
I don’t agree with some of FB’s politics, I don’t necessarily agree with anybody’s politics but Anne Marie is a brave woman who stood up to a lot of threats and violence against her for many years.
It is a terrible tragedy that some sort of common ground could not have been agreed between various nationalist organisations. Mark is certainly not the monster that she tried to paint him. When she said once her belief was that PA intended to round up the BAMEs in the middle of the night, it was always going be hard to walk back from that.
FB gone could be seen as an opportunity for PA but as AMW said, the way her group was repressed, when they had fairly gentle policies, indicates how hard it is to build a mass party based on race realism. There is a lot of work to be done.
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@ChainReaction
2 days ago
Beggar belief, this crap. Just finished this black-pill.
Save the Babies: A Documentary on CPS Child Trafficking (2022)
lbry://@QuantumRhino#9/Save-the-Babies-(2022)#3
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@AspectofDivinity
2 days ago
Kill the babies
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@HEREWARD_SILVATICI
2 days ago
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@runtsmeadow
2 days ago
And no one can make you.
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@NothinginParticular
2 days ago
Ed Dutton’s channel last night
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@Mcavoy
2 days ago
Everything Mark says, is worth listening to the end.
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Oh dear , comment deleted eh? must have cut you to the quick that one .
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What deleted comment? Pull yourself together man, I am sure Anne Marie will have a new site you can donate to up and running soon.
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Oh dear I’m not typing it out again because it was a bit unkind I suppose and you’ve given me a good laugh there , have a nice weekend.
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Politics is corrupt.
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For Britain had the same fatal weakness that most nationalist groups do today. They are based around one person, the leader/founder, and if the leader/founder leaves, the group collapses around them. For Britain organisers have been spotted at British Democrats events, the only nationalist party in Britain which allows leadership elections.
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Roughly 25% of her cabinet ministers were Jewish. This Jewish magazine tells you everything you need to know about her –
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As for immigration she was the same as David Cameron & Boris, they all talked tough about reducing it but as soon as they were elected they did sod all about it –
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Mass immigration continued all through the sixties, seventies and eighties, gradually ratcheting up all the time, agInst the wishes of the public. it really accelerated in the Blair/Brown era and accelerated still further under subsequent tory governments. so, it was going on during Thatcher’s time. Sons of Odin is correct too.
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Laura Towler – Are We The Bad Guys? Featuring Mark Collett, The Ayatollah and Horus – Aug 24, 2020 — Transcript

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[Laura Towler, Deputy Leader of Patriotic Alternative, has a lively, humorous, and informative chat with Mark Collett, Leader of PA, the Ayatollah (of TASOB — The Absolute State of Britain podcast), and Horus (videographer) about the current state of nationalist politics and tactics in Britain today, and PA’s progress as a movement to unite patriots.

The subject, “Are We the Bad Guys?” dealt with how hate organizations, such as Hope Not Hate, and the hostile “elite” and its (((media))), attempt to portray nationalists as “evil” for wanting to stand up for the British people and fight to keep Britain from being turned further into the Third World in coming years and decades.

It was also a special occasion for Laura as she celebrated her birthday during the week, making ever quicker progress towards her 40th year, according to rumour!

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Laura Towler

Are We the Bad Guys?

Mark Collett, the Ayatollah

and Horus

Aug 24, 2020

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[00:00]

Laura: Okay. Good evening ladies and gentlemen. We should be live welcome to the stream. I hope everybody’s doing well it’s Sunday evening at seven o’clock in the United Kingdom. And anybody who’s listened to the last couple of streams that I’ve done you might remember that I said I was going to do a stream every month.

So this is my August stream. And I thought I’d do it this week, because this week is my birthday. So, I thought it might be fun to do a bit of a birthday stream. It’s not actually today but it is this week. So it’s like my birthday week stream, I guess.

So I’ve had a really good weekend. Yesterday we went away and stayed overnight in like a converted barn kind of thing. It was really cozy went out for some food for my birthday and then today we had a Yorkshire regional group, you know, the Patriotic Alternative regional group meet up. And we went for a hike and we walked about I think about six and a half miles.

And Mark we actually broke the record for the youngest ever hiker. The previous record was a young girl of 10 years old who comes with a dad. But today we had a six-year-old boy who walked with us and he walked about six and a half miles. I mean, to be fair he did spend most of that on his dad’s shoulders, but he gave it a shot.

So let’s just jump straight in. We’ve got until about half past eight. So we’ve got an hour and a half.

But let me introduce my three guests. So first of all I’m joined by Mark Collett who needs no introduction but I’ll give him a quick introduction anyway. He was described by Hope Not Hate last week as being one of the UK’s most notorious fascist figures! [chuckling] Mark and how are you?

Mark: I’m very well I’m just slightly disappointed that I wasn’t the most, just one of the most, which means I have more work to do. Very happy birthday to you Laura! How does it feel to reach the big 4-0 [laughter]?

Laura: There’s gonna be another rumor going round!

Mark: That’s just a little troll for all the people who have spent the last month trying to work out your age. And after all of their big brain takes they still got it wrong. We know you are not over 40! Thank you for such a lovely introduction. And also well done on the event today. That is fantastic news that we’ve got a new youngest PA hiker! That is absolutely brilliant! That is what I like to hear!

I really look forward to the eventual time when we get a proper family event up and running, so we actually get whole families turning up. And I think that would be a really positive development for us.

Laura: Yeah the hikes if anyone’s not been to a PA event before, do get involved, because they are very family focused. We also had a girl who came to our group today and she’s never been to any event before. So it was her first event. She had a really nice time we went for the hike. She actually threw it down as well.

I got home and my socks were wet! There’s nothing worse than wet socks! But afterwards we went for some food in the pub and yeah, it was just really nice.

You know, if women are turning up by themselves, then it must be quite a comfortable safe environment. So yeah, it was really good!

So I’ll move on to the Ayatollah who is back by popular demand. My audience absolutely loved the Ayatollah. I’m not sure what to say to be honest, but I’m joking. But so he is one third of the TASOB podcast, The Absolute State Of Britain podcast, and I hear you’ve actually started your own YouTube channel as well. Is that right the Ayatollah?

Ayatollah: Yeah I have, although I’m starting to feel a little bit guilty, because I’ve been plugging it for a good month, or more now, I’ve not actually done anything yet. But the plan is, once I’ve figured out things like, you know, Entropy and Superchats to start doing a sort of a light-hearted stream on a Friday night. Now D-Day at the moment, if you forgive the inclement analogy, given all the things we understand, is going to be Friday the 4th of September. So I’ll get something sorted out for them. But it should be a good laugh.

But yeah, happy birthday Laura! I logged into Twitter to promote, sort of retweet, and let everyone know that I was on your channel. And then like my mentions were deluged with like birthday wishes for you. I suppose, you know, when I’m in the 80s, I hope people care about me as much as they do about you! [chuckling].

Because, you know, I was leafing through my bible earlier on and I forgot that you do actually get a couple of mentions in the last stages of the Old Testament when they’re talking about, you know, rising nativism, over in northwestern Europe!

So it sounds like you spent your birthday on the set of Emmerdale Farm, and then like you went to see the wolf pack. And then you like the next day you went for a ramble with the Dingle family, or something. Am I sort missing any details, I’m missing there?

Laura: It was exactly like that, yeah!

Ayatollah: Yeah, yeah very, Yorkshire!

[05:00]

Laura: Yeah proper Yorkshire. Yeah, it was in North Yorkshire that we went to. It was dead good.

So yeah, so my third and final guest, sorry for making you wait so long, but it’s Horus! Who is a video maker and he makes really informative videos about, usually about historical topics, but all sorts of stuff. I think everybody who’s watching will be familiar with who Horus is. But hello Horus how are you?

Horus: I’m good thanks, yeah. Happy birthday! And did you have Yorkshire pudding yesterday, or?

Laura: No, I didn’t actually I’m kind of addicted to Hunter’s Chicken at the moment. Every time I go out, I just have Hunter’s Chicken. So it’s like chicken, bacon, cheese, and barbecue sauce. And I’ll just have that with salad. But yeah, I had Hunter’s Chicken. I’m actually going to start doing keto tomorrow. And yeah, we’ve decided, me and my fiancee, that we’re going to start doing keto tomorrow

Ayatollah: Tomorrow!

Laura: yeah [chuckling] because I’ve been eating really healthy for about six months now. But I just want to kind of speed things up a little bit. Obviously getting married in November. So yeah, high fat, low carbs, I think it is. But I need to research it a bit more. But yeah.

So we’ve got some good topics to talk about today. And I mentioned earlier that Mark was described by Hope Not Hate as one of the UK’s most notorious fascist figures. I’m not sure who the other ones are. But I thought we’d talk about the report from Hope Not Hate, because I’ve titled this video “Are We the Bad Guys?”.

And obviously according to Hope Not Hate we are the bad guys. Just one moment let me share my screen. Entire screen. So the screen should be sharing now. And this is the tweet that Hope Not Hate put out when they announced their incredibly scary report.

Look how over-dramatic it is. It’s like:

“WARNING: NEW FASCIST GROUP IS TRYING TO REVIVE RACE SUPREMACY IN THE UK

Read our report on Patriotic Alternative, a fascist, anti-semitic, White nationalist organization trying to unite the British far-right.

READ IT NOW”

It’s just so over emotional and effeminate. And they always use this photograph of me and Mark, where I think we just look incredible and nice! [chuckling] And it just doesn’t make sense to have those crazy emojis and capital letters and stuff next to that photo.

But let’s take a look at the report, because it’s just so over emotional and, so over the top! So it’s Patriotic Alternative let’s see if I can, … Can you guys see that on the screen all right?

Horus: Love that picture!

Laura: Yeah. So that’s the banner that we did at the top of Mam Tor*, White Lives Matter. There’s obviously me and Mark stood at the side. Yes, so it’s like:

“It’s founder is Mark Collett, formerly Director of Publicity for the British National Party, one of the UK’s most notorious fascist figures.”

It talks about who we are:

“What is Patriotic Alternative?”

That’s our excellent banner as well, that we did outside York Minster, for Indigenous Peoples Day. The speakers from the last conference. And then it talks about our “extremism”. So it’s things like “fascism, racism ‘Holocaust’ denial”.

There’s a bit about the Hundred Handers there. Mark Collett. I’ve got my bit. It’s now Laura Tyrie, aka, Laura Towler. I think it’s going to be Laura Axley Lennon [laughter]! One of those things now, where they always feel the need to say that. And there’s some quotes from Mark.

I was laughing my head off at these quotes, [chuckling] because they’re from like 20 years ago! And they just seem like so out of place, and mental!

I hate that photograph that they use of me as well. I feel like I look bug eyed. But I think I chose that one, because I wasn’t smiling on it. Some more photos from Indigenous People’s Day.

It’s just a really kind of rushed, over emotional, report. And I thought it might be good this evening to kind of explore what it means to be “good” and “bad”. Because we get told all the time that we’re really bad people, that we’re extreme! That we want to like murder everyone, and stuff like that. And we don’t! We just love the British! And we love Britain, and we want to keep it safe.

And I think the difference between nationalism and globalism, is that nationalists care about their people and understand that they can’t save the whole world, whereas globalists want to save the whole world, but they’ll do that to a detriment of their own people. And it puts our own people at risk. So I don’t understand why, well I do understand why, but, you know, playing devil’s advocate, we have to be the bad guys all the time.

But if we go around the panel. Mark do you want to talk about it first? You’ve put up with this for 20 years haven’t you? You’ve been like the most evil person in the world!

[* Mam Tor — is a 517 m hill near Castleton in the High Peak of Derbyshire, England. Its name means “mother hill”, so called because frequent landslips on its eastern face have resulted in a multitude of “mini-hills” beneath it.]

[09:30]

Mark: Official? Is that now my official title? Officially, de facto, the most evil person in the whole world! Yeah, I have! And it’s kind of one of those crosses that you have to bear. And it’s very interesting really, because really we’re trying to simply create a future for our children. We’re trying to secure the existence of our people. And what really could be more noble, or more natural than making your life’s work to ensure that your kind survive, that you prosper? And doing so in your own nation. We’re not talking about setting up empire 2.0! We’re not talking about colonizing other people’s nations. We’re not saying:

“Well our nation is going to be destroyed by natural disasters, so we need to invade another country and take it over.”

We’re just saying:

“We want the land our ancestors lived on, we want it for us! And we want to survive! And we want to take our destiny into our own hands!”

Now, none of that is really, particularly, outrageous. It’s not outrageous at all in fact! And it is something that’s afforded to every other group.

Yet when we try to do it we are the bad guys. And often one of the difficult things is, you’re treated as bad guys for trying to warn people that such terror is coming their way.

And for two decades I’ve been saying this is going to get worse! We’re going to become a minority! And as we become a minority, we will become victims of racial attacks, of grooming, we will be treated worse than second-class citizens, and will become an absolute underclass!

And obviously, as those two decades went by, my position has become more and more vindicated.

But even so, even in today’s climate. When you see so many problems in the West. When you see “Black Lives Matter”. When you see the problem with the promotion of pedophilia by the mainstream media, by Netflix. When you see who controls the media. When you see the messages they’re pushing on school children. When you see mass immigration. When you see the number of people coming in illegally. You see all of these problems, we’re still treated as the bad guys for pointing it out. And I think that is a cross we have to bear, we have to bear it, and we have to smile.

The only thing we must always be careful not to do is when we present ourselves, we must always be smiley and nice.

And I think in the past one of the problems that nationalism’s had is, because we’ve always been called the bad guys people have played up to that stereotype. And I think that’s a bad thing. And one of the great things about PA, is the pictures they’ve got from us at all PA events absolutely fantastic! And anyone looking at the pictures of us and the kind of events we hold and the people who attend it and then looking at the bad guy narrative, are going to be very confused, because there’s a huge disconnect there between their narrative and reality.

Laura: Yeah, that’s absolutely spot on! And I remember when I gave my speech at the last Patriotic Alternative conference and I finished by saying the words:

“If we have to bear the burden of being villains, then so be it.”

And I think in a way you kind of you do end up embracing it and just thinking:

“Call me whatever you want, I do not care!”

And it’s like water off of a ducks back. You get called every single name so many times you just you stop caring. Like you literally do not care. But that doesn’t mean that we should start acting like bad people. I think you should embrace it in a way where you don’t allow it to get to you.

I think the thing that I really love about PA is how it’s so family focused, and it’s not people wanting to go out and have a scrap. I mean, sometimes you get really angry and you do just kind of want to punch someone. But we always have to remember why we’re involved in this.

And Ayatollah, if I could come to you, you’re probably, if I had to name one person who responds the best to being called names, [chuckling] it’s probably you. You really do embrace it, don’t you, on Twitter?

Ayatollah: Yeah, with a little help from the late, great, Derrick Day. Yeah, you know, to be honest, the older I get the less, and less, patience I have with these people. So what I did was I set a little time aside, took some video clips from things like Father Ted, and other sorts of things like that. And I tend to just respond to these people with those.

These people, look. There are certain ways in which they got power over you if they’re able to dox you, you know, try and get you sacked, or whatever, threaten you with violence.

In a lot of context though if you’re upset, like the most they can do is wield their anti-White false morality. And if you show them, if you just give that the finger, all they can do is be outraged at you for being a transgressor against the occupier’s morality.

I mean, just to pick up pick up on something Mark was saying about, you know, his position’s always been the same, and he’s been vindicated. I mean, just to attest to that, if you look back at the old Russell Brand thing featuring Mark from years ago. There’s clips of it on YouTube. You go in the comments on those YouTube clips and it’s full of people saying:

“Yeah, well Collett was right wasn’t he Russell? He was right, wasn’t he?”

I mean, look at us now! Look at the ‘new normal’ Russell, 15 years on, or however long ago it is. It’s maybe longer ago than that now, 18? I don’t know.

But yeah, you know, on the idea of us being the bad guys, I’m going to sound like a broken record, obviously I’ve appeared on a couple of streams on your channel before Laura. I’m mindful that you’ve got a much larger and sort of broader, you know, ideologically broader audience than I usually speak to on The Absolute State Of Britain. [15:07] But we’ll have some regular listeners, listening. And they’ll be familiar with me saying like the same things every week. But it bears repeating, this only makes sense if you understand, and again I say this mindful of the fact that you’ve got some people who are basically nationalist in their instinct, but don’t fully understand maybe all the issues yet, and they’re getting there. As are a lot of the people that sort of come to our podcast and they, you know, things start sort of falling into place, if I’m not giving us too much credit.

But all of this only makes sense, the idea that people that want to preserve, the people that want to defend their own collective interests, and just basically want to be left alone, and want to have a normal functional society which is going to be largely homogenous. And to the extent that it’s not homogeneous it’s going to be understood that the indigenous group are the politically, and culturally, and institutionally, dominant group, no questions asked. And that is preserved, and that is respected, doesn’t need to be any animosity in with that. It’s just something that’s understood.

Same as if you’re a guest in somebody’s house. You might very well feel at home, however, you don’t get to start saying what color they paint the bathroom. Now that’s a crude analogy. However, I think it probably makes sense to people. But none of this makes sense again without understanding that we are under the occupation of — we’re about to be hostages, at this point, really — of (((people))) who bitterly resent us, they have a historic sense of vengeance against us! They’ve got a pathological sadism, and vindictiveness! And they wish to dispossess us, to humiliate us, and ultimately, … Yeah, they want to blend us out!

You know, they control media, they’ve subverted the institutions, they’ve subverted all the apparatus of power. And they had to do it that way. And to be able to do what they’re doing, they’ve had to cultivate, and a lot of work has gone into this, they had to cultivate a false consciousness, and a false sort of morality and moral code, within the collective consciousness of our people, through sort of making being territorial and defensive of your own people, sort of presenting it as low status, and like unintelligent, and boorish. And many other things obviously.

The harder deterrences as well, of penalizing speech law and what have you. And efforts to sort of break up any of our efforts to organize, historically. That they had to do all of that, at great effort, through controlling media, and entertainment, and academia, and the education system.

They had to sort of cultivate this false consciousness, and this false morality, through indoctrinating people through all those means. Which has engendered this sense of guilt, and timidity, among White people for standing up for their own interests and saying:

“Well, this isn’t very good for us!”

However, reasonably. So, you know, they have to invert reality. And basically they have to pathologize, and they have, all that is normal and that is healthy and is self-preserving. If they couldn’t do that, they wouldn’t be able to do any of this.

And the problem they’re coming up against is, you’re never going to be totally, you’re never going to be able to totally stamp that out. There’s always going to be some people who’ve got enough about them to say:

“No!”

Essentially. And the problem they’ve got is that’s happening more and more, because it’s getting worse for people as the demographics get worse, as the propaganda gets worse.

You’ve only got a look at the past couple of months. You’ve only got to look at what Hope Not Hate said themselves in their report, or what the Independent said in their analysis of it, where they said like, you know, “Black Lives Matter” and things like that, they’re making the Right more racially conscious. They said:

“Oh they’re making them more racist!”

No! They’re making us more racially conscious, and they’re increasing our numbers. And I can tell you this from our listeners that people come to us. And from anecdotes from our listeners, and my own personal life.

Image: Black ~~Lives~~ Lies Matter

Yeah, things like the “Black Lives Matter” riots and the propaganda and everything else. Yeah, it can only go one way. This is an inevitable consequence of what they want to do. And they are sort of talking about it like, you know:

“How did this happen? It seems as though it’s radicalized people! It seems as though it’s polarized opinion! And it seems as though it’s cultivating a greater sense of racial consciousness, and racial awareness among White people.”

Well, what do you expect? You know, you cannot do what you’re doing without people pushing back and without people thinking:

“Well, I keep getting attacked for being White! I keep being brow beaten for it on the television, and on the internet, and in the media, and I keep seeing these riots and people pulling down statues and burning our flag.”

Well, yeah, it’s gonna wake people up. So it can only go one way. Yeah.

Laura: It’s interesting that they say that we’re the ones reviving “race supremacy”. I mean, obviously “supremacy” is not the right word to use. But racial politics. Yes. Absolutely! We do advocate for racial politics, because we recognize that race is real, and we want a homeland for our own ethnic group.

Image: Black ~~Lives~~ Lies Matter

But I don’t think it’s us that’s reviving it. I think the reason why the majority of people are noticing race now is because of all the other races, especially the BLM riots. Even people like my sister, who’s not into politics at all. The riots woke her up. And she’s been texting me about all sorts of stuff saying:

“What does ‘MSM’ mean? What does ‘mainstream media’ mean and what’s ‘virtue signaling’ Laura?”

And she’s now interested in politics, because the people have been pulling down statues in London, and stuff.

But Horus, if I can come to you, because I know you’ve been following all of this on Twitter as well. Do you think that they’re panicking? Do you think that Hope Not Hate are panicking? Because they do this thing where they kind of try and play down how serious of a threat we are. But then at the same time they’ll be like:

“Oh but they’re going to unite the fascist Right, and we need to keep an eye on them, because they’re dangerous!”

Do you think they see us as a threat? Do you think it’s like a coping mechanism that they pretend that we’re not? What are your thoughts on that?

[20:26]

Horus: I think they definitely see us as a threat. And they are right to some extent. But yeah, my impression is that they’re in disarray, because obviously we had Indigenous, … Well, White Lives Matter Day, what was it about a week before this report came out? Maybe even less than a week. And the media, I think, they have like coordinated Whatsap, or Slack groups where, you know, they’re saying:

“No. Let’s all agree not to report on this.”

And The Star broke from that for a moment, and then withdrew their story. Yeah, within a couple of hours, wasn’t it?

And I think the media did their job that day, but they and the political class, and the sort of range of organizations like Hope Not Hate, are not fully coordinated across all of them. I’d say all these people sort of constitute the ruling class. But it is not a thing that can easily be managed although all in one, you know, all to one purpose.

My impression is that people like Hope Not Hate, yeah they’re what’s the word? Sort of flailing around a bit, somewhat disorderly. I mean, yeah, so that they coordinated non-reporting of White Lives Matter, and all the amazing banners that people did. Hundreds and hundreds of them in the end, right?

But then a few days later Hope Not Hate putting out this Report, which to me, looks like publicity! I mean, accidentally on their part. But it, you know, those pictures are amazing! They look brilliant! [chuckling] And they’re sending that out to people. And they’re saying:

“You need to hate this!”

Right? Because. I mean, let’s not be, you know, I don’t need to point this out to you. But let’s not be confused by their name. Hope Not Hate is a hate organization! That’s what it exists for, right?

But yeah, my impression is they don’t really know what they’re doing. And they don’t have any clear idea of what to do with this. I mean, they’re used to having the State on their side. And the State and the Government are on their side, but the government doesn’t know exactly what it’s doing either.

I mean, this thing, maybe I’m straying from the point a little bit. But this thing in Calais, I mean, I believe the Tories want to make us a minority. They want as much immigration as possible to finish us off, as soon as possible. That’s roughly how they see it. I’m sure they’re not united on that, but the leadership of the party, I think that’s what they want.

But this stuff in Calais even though it’s small numbers right so it’s not actually benefiting that aim very much. It’s still happening, right? And it’s terrible for the Tory’s reputation! It’s really making them look bad! So my impression is that the whole ruling class is struggling to sort of hold itself together. And this, you know, seeing basically missteps like this, is a sign of that. I mean, the subtitle of the report was “Uniting the Far Right”, or whatever, and a question mark. I mean, ..

Ayatollah: That’s right, yeah.

Horus: I get the impression, in a way, they sort of fancy us, you know what I mean? [chuckling] Like they want, well actually, they kind of admire us. They kind of want to be us, in a way, because, you know,

Laura: Well they always used to use that photo with Mark, where he was like, … What were you doing Mark? Like in the forest on your bike, or something?

Mark: Yeah on my mountain bike. They used to love the one of me.

Ayatollah: An action shot, yeah! Like mud on his face!

Mark: That was a perfect, fantastic day.

Horus: And yeah, I mean, it really seemed like [words unclear] the gentile ones involved anyway. And of the others we’re talking about people who have such a strange psychology anyway. And just my impression is they, even among themselves, you know, even if they have a meeting that all the, however many people are, the same a dozen people work for Hope Not Hate, whatever. When they have a meeting, I bet their meetings are all over the place. And they don’t really have a point. They don’t really come to any conclusion, because they don’t know what to do!

All they’ve really know is how to use their sort of terror and intimidation tactics, which are just working less, and less.

And the last thing I’ll say is that another sign of this is you look under their tweets and it’s pretty much unified rejection of what they’re doing! Nobody likes them! You don’t even see a bunch of their supporters trying to combat us, it’s just rejection! It’s just people not even, you know, not even people who are wide awake, red pill nationalists. Just everyone who’s heard of Hope Not Hate, hates them!

Ayatollah: Telling them to get on their bike, basically.

Horus: Yeah, I think they’re flailing around! They still have some effect they still have the power to really cause some people some problems, but as a movement they don’t know how to deal with this. And I think it’s very encouraging.

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Ayatollah: I had a quick scan, if I can make a quick point, I had a quick scan some months back through Hope Not Hate’s YouTube channel, right? [chuckling] And I can tell you now over a period of like nine years of it, they had like three, or four, videos that have had more views than a weekly TASOB podcast gets. Now we’ve not got a massive audience, right?

And the best part was almost every video, if I can recall correctly, or a lot of them, had the likes and dislikes disabled. And obviously the comments disabled. But of the ones that didn’t have the like to dislike ratio disabled the best ratio I saw was four dislikes to one like! So look, that doesn’t accord as any power. But it does tell you, as if any of us needed it, the extent to which these people are astro turf stooges.

And I mean, it goes back again to the sort of, I mean, this isn’t just true of Hope Not Hate, it’s true of the sort of the anti-White Left in general. It’s a bit of an old meme now, but it still rings true, the bio-Leninism thing. The idea of like a hostile elite weaponizing the absolute, you know, the dysfunctional dregs of a society, and according them power as a sort of, in various ways, to terrorize the functional middle, or to sort of even in some cases to sort of police them to act as like moral arbiters and moral police. They give them a little bit of power to act. It’s like sort of a supervisory class.

And these people are a lot of them, you know, they’ve either got hostile ethnic interests — I’ll let you read between the lines as to what I mean, on that because there are very powerless, very oppressed people, who’ve got, very powerless, disenfranchised lobbying societies, that will come after Laura’s YouTube channel if I speak a little bit too freely! As powerless and as oppressed as they are, that might happen, by a sheer fluke!

See: Patriotic Weekly Review – with Edward Dutton

But a lot of these people are freaks. They’re just dysgenic freaks who wield, you know, they’re Dutton’s spiteful mutants! Yeah! But, you know, they wield the power. The little power they’re given by the occupiers, incredibly vindictively. And I mean, sadistically! Because they resent the functionality and just the normality, and the wholesomeness, of the people they wield it against. Because they understand that they’ve only got that power, because we’re not in a normal situation.

They understand that the normal functional people are disempowered, they want to punish them, and they understand that if those normal functional people were, as ought to be the case, the people that had the cultural and institutional power, these people would be not vindictively, but just sort of quietly shunned and not really given any say in society. That’s basically it.

Laura: Do you do a Dutton impression, too?

Ayatollah: Yeah, well actually I can actually do a passable impression of all three of the former panelists of the expansive group channel, in three seconds, just by saying “yes” in their respective voices.

So it’d be sort of like, you know, obviously you’ve got Dr Dutton, you’ve got Spencer, then you’ve got Keith Woods. So it’d be something like “yaah”, “yeaar”, “heheyair”.

Horus: [laughing] Dutton’s a little bit more posh, though. I think you need to posh it up.

Ayatollah: Yeah I’m being lazy mate, yeah.

Horus: I would just say one more thing. Like, anyone who wants to know more about Hope Not Hate, just look into their funding as well, because it comes from just billionaires and mega millionaires, and stuff.

See: Against Brian and Avi

And I did a video last year called “Against Brian Avi”, which is on my BitChute channel. It tells you some more about them. Or just go on their website. That’s what I did. So, I think it says a lot about them.

Laura: Yeah did, you know, they actually blocked Patriotic Alternative on Twitter? Hope Not Hate did, because.

Ayatollah: Yeah. I saw that.

Laura: And they said something like:

“We’re not sorry! And we’re not gonna change our view, so keep it coming.”

And they got a big pile on from our followers. And they ended up blocking us on Twitter. Which was pretty funny!

Horus: They fancy PA, and they’re trying to “negative” you., you know what I mean? They’re trying to like act like they hate you, but actually they really fancy PA! Because PA is kind of like really good looking as well. It’s got a lovely logo and everything. But it’s not like the old days. Like old times fascism where the design wasn’t that good.

Ayatollah: Like [word unclear] climbing out of his front room window, yeah. [laughter]

Horus: Yeah, PA actually looks really swish! They’re trying to act like they hate you, but really they’re fancy you.

Ayatollah: That that sort of thing always terrifies them as well. And again it tells you again the psychology of these people. They’re like curtain switching voyeurs! And they love to sort of morally place us:

“No you can’t say that!”

And then the problem they have when people just sort of do the:

“Yeah and what? Yeah sharp nerd.”

When people do that to them, it’s like it becomes apparent they’re like calling somebody racist is like to start trying to give the Terminator a “Chinese burn”. Yeah, it’s not really going to work.

Horus: [chuckling] They’re really put down by just unapologeticness, you know.

Ayatollah: Yeah. There’s no answer to it, other than doxing and everything else, you know.

Laura: Ayatollah, since it’s my birthday will you do your impression of me?

Ayatollah: Well I just have to talk about David Lammy now, I can’t really get my voice quite high enough! [laughter] If I just say that, that’ll have to do. So I’ll just say, like the thing about David Lammy, is one moment he’ll say he’s British, because like he wants to sort of play civic nationalism, and then the next moment, he’ll say he’s ~~Ghanaian~~, or Guyana, or wherever his parents are from. And then the next moment he’ll say he’s African, [laughter], because he wants to campaign for reparations for slavery. This really winds me up!

But I don’t know what that says about your psychology that your idea of a birthday gift from me is that, I have the mick taken out of you, but, ..

Horus: The accent is good, but you just sound like a gay man, it’s just.

Ayatollah: Yeah, well I keep saying I sound like a gay hairdresser from Luton, that’s the problem. [laughter] But yeah, I can’t get my voice high enough, you know.

Laura: Mark. I wanted to ask you about the media attention that we got, because when we did Indigenous People’s Day it was picked up by the local media. But I think the only sort of like major news outlet that wrote an article about was the Daily Star. And then all the comments underneath the article were really positive about us. They ended up deleting the article! And then Hope Not Hate did their report, and then obviously the entire mainstream media picked it up and we had articles in the Independent, the Daily Mirror, The Jewish Times, 44 million Facebook followers, Unilad published a post about it. And most of the comments, like 99 percent of the comments were in support of us.

But what do you think? Why do you think that was Mark? Because they were silent until Hope Not Hate did the report and then the Daily Star deleted their article. It’s a bit weird. Do you think they have like a coordinated news cycle, or something?

Mark: I think they’re very scared about talking about us. And they’re scared about talking about us for two reasons. The first is that we’re totally unapologetic! We don’t apologize for anything! We say how it is. And really if they call us “fascists”, if they call us “racist”, if they call “Nazi”, we don’t start groveling. Now that scares them a lot, because if you look at any of the other nationalist parties, especially the ones that are civic nationalist parties that openly advocate that anyone can be “British”, or that once you come here, if you say that you love the English flag, if you say you love the cross of Saint George, then England’s in your heart, and you’re just as England, English as anyone else!

The parties that say that, they don’t really fear them, because they know as soon as they get them in any form of debate, or they get them on the television, or they start speaking to them, they will crumble! And they’ll start dancing to the media’s tune!

And then there’s another thing that they are afraid of as well, that they really hate about us, is that when we do things, we do things very professionally! Everything we do looks professional, it looks slick. All of our events have been in very classy venues. They’ve all been carried off. So that anyone coming to them would be absolutely impressed by what was going on!

And something else that they love about the old style of nationalism is that it’s always a tatty old Union Jack that’s being badly folded, … You know, the sort that I mean, unfolded over a place table with four speakers sat behind the place table. The flag looks like it could do with a good iron. Three of the speakers look absolutely bored! And are sat there drinking their beers! And the audience is sat in the back room of some old-fashioned pub. And it looks like a scene out of a, … What was that film called? The one where, ..

Ayatollah: “This is England”.

Mark: Exactly! It looks like a scene out of “This is England”!

Laura: How did you get that?

Ayatollah: I can remember like there’s a particular scene where they go to some sort of rally, or whatever, and they’re in the back room in a pub. Having said that Jonathan Bowden did most of his speeches in the back room of a pub, didn’t they? You know, sort of:

“Liberalism is moral syphilis!”

And whatever! But, you know. Yeah, I don’t know.

Mark: Well, we all did at one point. But those times have passed! And it’s very interesting that we’re different to that. And I think they’re scared of us for those two reasons.

First thing we’re not gonna apologize, and secondly we look really professional.

And if you think of a group, or a group that tried to become a party. A few months ago, just after we launched PA, in fact, or, it might have been just before we launched PA. But either way, it was a good few months ago now. A group of people tried to start a party that were called “Integrity”. And it was meant to get Tommy Robinson on board. It was meant to get Sargon on board. Loads of people were meant to be joining up. And they held this inaugural meeting in a pub. Can any of you remember the footage of that meeting? It was really awful!

Laura: Yeah.

Mark: And there was guys sat at the front on those old-fashioned, you know, pub chairs, and they were cradling their beers, slowly making their way through the beers, as people stood at the front, not behind a lectern, or anything like that. It was all filmed from an awkward angle. You could tell there was only about 20 people in the room, because there was a, … You know, people were applauding. But there was a notable lack of applause. And it did look like such a throwback to the 1970s!

And that little group, I think they disappeared already, they were going to sweep PA away, they were going to be a fresh future for the Right in Britain.

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But that group had everything wrong with it! Was one of those groups that apologizes for everything! Denies that the English, and the Scottish, the Welsh, and the Irish are distinct ethnic groups.

And on top of that, they were doing their meetings in a way that has been so overdone, and it just puts people off! Because it’s a negative stereotype that nationalism often plays up to. And I think that, because we do everything so differently, they’re kind of in love with us, but they’re terrified of us at the same time!

Laura: Do you know, they were saying that we were:

“Playing fake clapping sounds over our speeches?”

So like your audience was actually really small and you were playing fake clapping sounds of, ..

Mark: Oh no, this is brilliant! You see, because you see, this is such wonderful projection! Because they can only get 20, or so, people at their meetings, they have to assume that we’ve only got 20, or so, people at our meetings! So they’re thinking how could we get such good applause at our next meeting? Well PA must be playing an applause track!

No! No! You could just times your meeting attendance by 10 and have the same number of people at your meetings that PA does. [chuckling] But that, to them, they don’t understand that! Because they can’t imagine why we’re popular! They think we’re unpopular. They think we’re the bad guys! They think by standing up there and saying that the English don’t exist, that all of a sudden all these blacks, all these minorities, they’ll be rushing through the door to join “Integrity Purple”, you know, it’s just not gonna happen! Because no one wants that.

The fact is everyone is becoming racinated, and White people are looking for any group that’s big enough and strong enough to stand up and say:

“Hey! We stand up for the White people!”

And the best thing is, people will call us a “bad guy”, but the fact is, sometimes you need somebody who’s gonna stand up, take the abuse, and say:

“So what? We’re not backing down!”

And ultimately I think at a time like this, people are going to respect that.

Horus: Damn right! Integrity, I think in a way, they asked it around, because haven’t they just basically become Hearts of Oak? I think it’s the same guys. It’s Peter McElveen and Alan Craig, they’re certainly the two who run Hearts of Oak. I think they were the founders of Integrity, as well.

Mark: And they just, so basically [chuckling] they lasted about three months! [laughter] There was also this guy who calls himself “Steve Speaker’s Corner”, who thinks he’s a real big deal. He’s one of those, I’ve never, this is gonna sound really bad, and I [chuckling] probably shouldn’t say this. But do you understand, I don’t understand those Speaker’s Corner people. I don’t understand those people who go and stand at Speaker’s Corner and just shout at other people, who have diametrically opposed ideas! And they just screech each other all day and go home, and think that’s going to change the discourse.

But they had a guy at the Integrity [word unclear] meeting called Steve Speaker’s Corner. And he’s one of these people who just thinks that if everyone who comes there, is given a little plastic flag and waves it with all their might, that makes them absolutely British! And they should all be integrated and then we’ll all be one big happy, multi-coloured, family! What a joke organization they are!

Horus: He’s the sort of person who shows that civic nationalism is really just a leftist thing, right? He seems to have his main mission as just defeating ethnic nationalism. And it’s just ridiculous! It’s a joke! Complete joke! He’s really effeminate as well.

Laura: I think he’s always asking me to debate him on YouTube. And I just muted him, because I don’t know who he is. But Mark I want to to ask you, did you see that that Wikipedia early life guy that you’ve debated, was photographed with antifa?

Mark: I did. Joseph Cohen. Yes, indeed. And that doesn’t surprise me either and that’s another thing that I absolutely love about the civic nationalists! The civic nationalists, they can never ever say it’s anybody’s fault if it’s a person of color. So they’re very much like the Left.

[NOTE: I haven’t put this transcript up yet.]

And I saw all of this during the “Black Lives Matter” events, riots, looting. All of the civic nationalists were saying that it was White antifa that caused the problems, that whipped the blacks up, that made them do the crazy things. And if only the White antifa weren’t there, the blacks would all be waving flags and would be good patriots, and would be fitting in and integrating.

And it’s so funny, because these civic nationalists don’t realize just how close they are, to their liberal foes in terms of their narrative. They, just as much as the liberals, like to blame White people for all the failings of blacks! And it’s the same when you look at people like Joseph Cohen. If you said to all these civnats:

“Oh! There’s a group called the Israel Advocacy Movement.”

They’d all be falling over themselves to join up, and make a donation. And here you have the leader, or the organizer, of this group, and he’s there with the antifa, opposing the very people who would fall over themselves to donate to them. It’s hilarious!

These people are so blinkered, but blinkered by choice, for some of them, because they actually choose to ignore the facts we’re talking about.

Horus: I mean, Laura’s debate with Rikki Doolan, spoke volumes, because I mean, he fits in with civic nationalism. And he really, in most ways, he fits in with antifa. Like, because I think we’d all agree that antifa functions as an arm of the State, in a lot of ways. I mean, they wouldn’t admit that themselves, but, ..

Ayatollah: Definitely. Yeah.

Horus: Yeah, they serve the purposes of the State. They act as sort of an auxiliary terrorist organization against people, you know, against anyone who tries to organize as patriots, or nationalists. And I would say some civic nationalists are so stupid that they’re like an arm of antifa, also without realizing it. And they’ll convince themselves that they’re enemies of them, but they serve almost exactly the same purpose. It’s like suppressing racial consciousness.

And then in the case of people like Rikki Doolan especially, they do it really cack-handedly as well! [chuckling] I mean, that was beautiful! So, well done again Laura.

Ayatollah: Yeah, this is the thing as well, just to add to that really quickly is, … I made this point when we were on PWR, and I also made it on the episode of TASOB the week before last. Where we had Mark and Laura on.

The more these people have got to answer us and the more they’ve got to engage with us, the more we can expose them. And what gets exposed is the fact that again, as you’ve all said, that their founding assumptions, their principles, are those of the Left. Because ultimately all they are, is impotent hostages to the Left. They’re hostages!

In a lot of cases they’ve got Stockholm syndrome, they believe in blank slateism, egalitarianism. And the really important one, Mark pointed out of course the example of how if a statue gets pulled down, they’ll say:

“Well it wasn’t the based blacks, it was White antifa, and whatever.”

Yeah, again it’s like:

“Shall not speak ill of the non-Whites under any circumstances!”

You know, there are no circumstances under which they can ever attribute blame to a non-Whites. Unless they’re blaming the non-White for being insufficiently liberal. So they can be critical of Muslims on those grounds, for example, to give you an example of one group, but on no other grounds. And the other sort of trait they’ll again, recourse to, is the “tactical nihilism”:

“Well, what even is English? What even is British? What is White?”

And again, the they really are just hostages! Because I mean, I think back to an article on the For Britain website, in which somebody sort of did a hit piece on Patriotic Alternative and then he was saying, he wasn’t actually called Graham surprisingly.

I think he might have been the one person involved other than, you know, Anne-Marie Whiskey, [Mark laughing] sorry Anne Marie Waters, who isn’t called “Graham”. I thought you had to change your name by deed poll, you know, Golden Grahams at the For Britain conference for like, you know, start a main course, for dessert.

But yeah, like he said:

“These people are the real racists, maybe we should report them to Hope Not Hate?”

And it’s like you’re threatening to grass on somebody to your own abusers! Because again these people get pilloried and attacked by Hope Not Hate, the likes themselves. It’s also interesting, like another one of these lower tier things, I don’t know, like “Resisting Hate”, or something like that?

One of these things, some months ago published this blog post saying like, :

“Well we’ve battled with the counter.”

Well they didn’t call them Counter-Jihad, …:

“We battled with the Islamophobes and the EDL types, and whatever, for years!”

And they’re almost sort of openly hearkening back on it, as like the good old days! Like, :

“Because we’ve got a bigger problem now! We’ve got racinated White people, collectivising as White people!”

And now, you know, it’s the end of level boss forum! Like:

“Those are the good old days, because those people they did our heads in, but they weren’t that bad! Now we’ve really got a problem, because look at it now, we’ve got this situation!”

Where they’re sort of, they’re having to deal with the real thing. And it’s like well I wish we could deal with people that would just backpedal all the time have and try and tell us how they weren’t racist after all and try and be on the back foot and defend themselves. And only put their guard up, rather than punch back.

And that’s why all these things like Hearts of Oak, and whatever else have and Integrity, or whatever. I’ve forgotten that even existed to be honest. It only rang a distant bell. They’re always dead ends! Because ultimately they can’t be honest! They can’t be honest, and there’s no sort of visceral appeal to it really, to anybody that’s got any sort of agency, and any will to really do anything. And so it’s all a bit, I wouldn’t even go as far as to say it’s a lot. But yeah, above all they’re hostages to principles which are by design anti-White and designed to work against our people! That’s it!

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Horus: I would just mention, at this point, Gerard Batten as well, is kind of in the middle of a tug of war between us and the sort of committed civic nationalists. Because Batten, I don’t know if people have been following this, like he’s spent most of the last week on Twitter kind of counter-signaling us. But also he’s got a history of tweeting things that are very much consistent with proper nationalism, and even racial thinking. I mean, he’s spoken about replacement, you know, :

“Gerard, if that’s not about race, what on earth are you referring to?”

But he’s got this poll, I think it’s still open for another day, or so, and we’re winning it. And it’s:

“Do we want to, …?”

I can’t remember the question, but it’s basically civic versus ethnic nationalism. And we are winning 60 – 40 when I last looked. And there’s been loads of votes! Like 12,000 votes, or more. That was this morning as well.

But he, I mean, we all know that he’s married to an Asian lady, and I think he’s maybe got mixed-race children and stuff. So for him obviously you can see why he’s got a motive for trying to buttress the civic nationalist narrative.

On the other hand he does know, I think he does acknowledge the truth. It’s like that this country is not going to still be Britain if it becomes 70, 80 percent African-Asian, right? He knows, because he said — this is one of the things that people have sort of leapt on him — for he said that:

“Race is hard to pin down.”

I don’t disagree with him there. Race is not an easy thing to define. But it still is there, you know, orange is not an easy thing to define, but we still don’t say that orange doesn’t exist. And so I think he’s, in a way, he’s kind of sparring with us. He’s kind of saying:

“Sharpen up your arguments and I will move more in your direction.”

Whether we care, or not, is it is another debate, you know, whether we need Batten.

But I mean, I suppose, I don’t know if you’re about to change the topic Laura, but just maybe I could just mention this thing I had on Friday evening. I went on.

Laura: Yeah, go ahead, yeah.

Horus: I went on Unity News Network, which I think it’s David Vance’s thing, I think he set that that, but it was David Klues who hosts their Friday night show. And it’s open to call-ins, like phone calls. And I phoned in, intending to groyp him really. I mean, I’ve never groyped before, and I was sort of thinking I’ll do a sort of practice groyp.

But, the guy took it in such good faith, and, in fact, picked it up and ran with it and asked me all sorts of questions. Nothing like calling into the big radio stations. But I ended up talking to him for an hour! And he knew all our talking points! [chuckling] And he, without me saying it, mentioned PA. He mentioned “White racial consciousness”, he used that phrase I think. And all these things, right? So him and I assume most of his audience are really talking the same language.

And that just makes me think, like we are in such a good position for reaching out to people at the moment. Loads of people are thinking along the same lines as we are. A lot of them don’t feel like they’re allowed to go as far as we do.

But that’s how I see that as our job, in meta-political terms, is making people feel like they can say exactly what they think! And I think we’re doing quite a good job with that at the moment. So everyone just needs to carry on.

I mean, White Lives Matter Day was just was brilliant for that! It let’s people all over the country know you have friends! You have a network and a community that you can join! So it was such a great initiative, and carried out so well!

I mean, I think Laura, or Mark, one of you guys, said you had no idea how many pictures would come in. And it’s just so encouraging, right? So I think we’re doing well.

Laura: Yeah we had over 300 pictures in total and and then, we weren’t sure how many we’d get in. I think we knew we had maybe at least five groups that were going to go out and do something. But for us to get over 300 pictures!

And obviously some of those pictures, like some people might have sent us three different pictures. But some people might have only sent us one picture. It was just mental, wasn’t it Mark! We just we had people all over Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, England. And then we had people in like America, I think was it Denmark, we had people as well. Yeah it was just such a show of force, and such a show of optimism and enthusiasm it was brilliant!

Mark: Canada, America, Denmark, Spain, Ibiza, Greece, and as far afield as New Zealand! It was amazing!

And whenever you do something like that you obviously want people to get on board. And to a degree, you are nervous. You’re thinking:

“Well we’ve asked everyone to go out and do this. We’re still quite a nebulous organization. We don’t have a head office. We don’t have branches in every city, and town, in the UK. And we’re not funding this centrally.”

We’re saying to people:

“Well you can either buy a banner, or you can print off a poster, or a sticker, or you can go and write ‘White Lives Matter’ in the sand on a local beach.”

And, you know, people are going to do it. You know, some people get it, but you never know how many. And you never know if it’s going to fall flat on its face.

But I can honestly say, I was not expecting as many people to get involved. I was blown away by the support! I’m so thankful that everyone pulled together! And to see people online saying:

“This was one of the biggest White pills they’ve ever seen. This made them feel part of an international community.”

That fills me with absolute happiness! Because that’s exactly what we’re trying to do. We’re not doing this to say:

“Ha! Ha! You know, isn’t PA the biggest and the best!”

We’re doing this so that people walk away from the day and go:

“Wow! I’m part of a massive international community! And I’m part of something! I’m not on my own anymore. I feel as if I’m part of this big group that everyone around me is looking out for me and doing the same thing as me! And I’m not isolated anymore! I’m not alone!”

And that’s what this is all about. And I think the feedback, and the feeling of kinship, and friendship, and being part of something bigger, really raised everyone’s spirits.

And as far as I’m concerned there isn’t any other group, especially not in Britain, doing anything like that! If you look at what other groups in Britain are doing it’s either the same tired and worn activities, or it’s quite simply just grifting. No one’s doing the kind of activities we are! And we’ve got plenty more things planned. And I hope that we can keep raising everyone’s morale. I hope that we can keep bringing people together.

And the fact that this weekend there are a number of different activities — which I’ve only just been told of today, that I didn’t know about — happening all over the country. That just shows how big we are getting. People are now feeling empowered just to hold their own events just to meet with other people. Just to do some little or some big activities.

But that’s what we need! And I’m filled with happiness, because I know that there’s so many people out there who before we started PA, they felt so alone and so isolated. And they don’t feel that way anymore.

When we started this we said primarily this was about community building. And we’re not only community building, but we really are dragging the Overton Window in our direction.

And I’ve just got to add this one last thing. None of these other shill parties were talking about race! None of them would even use the word “White” until we popped up. And it’s so funny how groups like For Britain attack me constantly, and say that I’m never gonna get anywhere, that I’ll never have any influence, that I’m wasting everyone’s time! Well if I was never going to get anywhere, if I was never going to influence anyone, then why on earth are they now talking about demographics?

And why is Anne Marie Waters talking about writing a book called “The War on White”? She’s using the word “White”, because we made her! And don’t let her ever forget that!

Laura: Well, she openly said in her video that she did about demographics that she was taking control of that issue now to stop extremists from picking it up and running with it! Because that’s our topic isn’t it, demographics? But yeah, I’m gonna read through some superchats if that’s okay.

So yeah. So there’s a few superchats. So let’s go through them. So there’s one from Gamergames for five pounds and it says:

“I am sorry you have to deal with this anti-woman rhetoric Laura. They are an embarrassment to us, it’s a shame feminism has totally soured them on women.”

Well, thank you very, very much for the superchat and like seriously don’t worry about it. I don’t pay any attention to anything that they say. There’s also a ten pounds from Lord Ian in Houston and it says:

“Many, many happy returns Laura!”

Thank you very much. 20 pounds from Me in It and it says:

“Happy birthday! Lovely lady!”

Thank you very much. Angelo Scott has superchatted five pounds and it says:

“Come on tell it in capital letters!”

I’m not sure what we were talking about. And then there’s 10 pounds from Lord Ian in Houston again. And it says:

“There is only one movement to be part of, Patriotic Alternative. It’s time for change!”

Indeed there is. And if anybody who’s listening who hasn’t registered on the Patriotic Alternative website yet, do go and do that, because you’ll be added to our mailing list and you’ll get emails about all of our events and everything that we’re getting up to. And also thank you for the superchat.

There’s one from Theolac for 20 CHF. I’m not sure what that is. Hmm, I’m not sure what currency that is. And there’s no message. But thank you very much for the superchat.

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Damien Demento nine pound 99 pence. And it said:

“Happy birthday Laura! Enjoy it’s well deserved!”

Thank you so much that’s very sweet. Michael Stoddard superchatted five US dollars and said:

“My challenge. I have five Anglo-Saxon kids, highly educated and accomplished. Go do likewise!”

I will do my best. [chuckling] But thank you for the superchat. Kevin Savage superchatted five pounds and said:

“The next time I vote it will be for PA. I hope it’s soon.”

That would be amazing I would love to vote for Peter as well myself, hopefully one day. And thank you for the superchat. There’s a few more to go through. DB Cooper superchatted five US dollars and said:

“Much love from the states! Keep up the good work. Let’s all go free from the anti-White narrative.”

Thank you very much for the superchat. Color Sergeant Bourne superchatted five pounds and said:

“Ethno nationalism is the only antidote to this chaos. Looking forward to Mark Collett and Laura Towler ruling GB! Anglos are rising!”

Thank you very much. And Theolac has superchatted another 10 CHF. I’m not sure what that is. Do you guys know what currency?

Ayatollah: Might be, it’s not Swiss francs is it? Yeah, I think it is Swiss francs. Yeah.

Laura: So it says:

“This is a high class high intelligence stream today congrats! Hope Not Hate have promoted PA despite their efforts.”

Thank you very much. And there’s a superchat from Belligerent Governor for five pounds. It says:

“Any thoughts on the March for Children and Veterans on Saturday? Active Patriot had a live stream on the event.”

I have actually followed this, but Active Patriot and I are mutuals on Twitter, although we’ve never spoken. Have you guys seen what they March for Children and Veterans thing is?

Horus: I haven’t seen that. No.

Ayatollah: Is it Nottingham? I’m not sure.

Laura: No I’m not 100 percent sure what it is. We’ll have to look into that. But, you know, anything that brings attention to the issues that matters we support it.

Lord Ian Houston superchatted ten pounds and says:

“If PA require funding for projects just ask.”

Well, thank you that’s very sweet. We do actually have a donation button on the website now. And for the last 11 months Mark and I have paid for everything ourself. And there is a way to donate to PA now if you do support our work. We don’t send out begging emails, or anything like that.

But if people do like the work that we do, then there is that option. But thank you for the superchat. I think that’s four superchats from this person.

Ayatollah: He’s giving all his money to you, hasn’t he? In one stream!

Laura: There’s nothing left for PA it’s all going on my birthday stream! [chuckling] And then there’s Daryl who’s superchatted five pounds. And it says:

“The “something” like let’s do a “blankety blank”. The “blank” forced multiculturalism on Europe! Say no to genocide!”

Does anyone know what the (((blank))) might be? We probably shouldn’t answer it.

Ayatollah: Yeah, no idea [chuckling]

Laura: Thank you for the superchat. And then there’s Daniel Archer for five pounds. And it says:

“Thank you all for your hard work with PA. You guys are doing great!”

Thank you so much. Bugleby superchatted ten pounds:

“Happy birthday Laura! Have a break.”

Thank you very much. And the Lovely Irish Rose, nine pounds 99 pence:

“Happy birthday Laura! Hope you’ve had a good one.”

Thank you very much. Johanna’s Day five pounds. As much as, yeah, what’s that, sorry?

Ayatollah: I just said:

“Oh not him.”

Laura: Sorry do you know, who it is?

Ayatollah: Yeah.

Laura: But it’s I’m not sure what this is its a quote:

“As winter approaches the animals go into hibernation, and the ridiculousness of the 999 calls.”

I don’t know. [chuckling]

Ayatollah: I do, I do! I should explain it. It’s not that bad. Alex McNabb from TDS was like a paramedic and then he got hauled out after like Huffington Post did an expose on him. And he got hauled up in front of his like local like EMT paramedic sort of administration. And he was getting railed against by the bloke running it, who was quite a funny character, and now deceased unfortunately. Her name was like Boyce, god rest him. But he was then reading out excerpts from this satirical thing that Alex McNabb did on the TDS podcast. And that was one of the things you read out. But yeah, I’ll put a link on my Twitter account to a video of the hearings. But yeah, I’ll digress.

Laura: Yeah, well thanks for explaining that and also Johannes thanks for the superchat.

Sally Annette superchatted five pounds and said:

“Happy birthday Laura!”

Thank you very much. Jt Smith 101 five pounds:

“Please help promote Patriotic Alternative, all our good folks.”

Thank you very much. Julian Martin four US dollars and 99 cents.:

“What do you guys think of the National Party in Ireland?”

I actually know nothing at all about the National Party. Do either of you three know anything about it?

Horus: Yeah. Keith Woods is pretty positive about them. Yeah and they’re proper nationalists, I think. They did a good action I mean, I think they’re pretty small. I think they’re polling something like one, or two percent, or something.

But I think they did a good action recently [60:00] against like, pedophiles sort of ingratiating themselves into the Irish government in the form of Peter Tatchell. He’s not pedophile, but he’s a pedophile condoner, I think. Yeah, National Party seem quite solid, I think. Yeah.

Laura: All right, okay. I’ve never heard of them, but we’ll have to check them out then. So thank you Julian for the superchat. And there’s just a few more to get through. Roger Richard for 20 US dollars:

“Love you guys! Keep up the good work.”

Thank you very much. Tilak, 410 CHF:

“I would love to drop some more shekels, but YouTube is taking too much. You should run Entropy in parallel.”

I actually should get Entropy. I will try and get Entropy for next time. And thank you for the superchat.

David Marcus, 10 pounds:

“Thoughts on mandatory vaccinations coming our way?”

I’m not taking a mandatory vaccination. What do you three think?

Mark: Absolutely not!

Horus: Yeah, I’m in favor of like organized action to prevent that’s evil!

Laura: Yeah we need to actually explore in more depth, I think. Mark I think you and I spoke about it quite briefly once. But the stuff that they’re allowed to do you know, taking your way into isolation and all that stuff, it’s mental! So we should actually produce some content on it I think.

Ayatollah: Yeah. If you believe your establishment is under hostile control, and is basically engaged in dispossessing and destroying you, and you believe they’re profoundly evil, then like why would you have unquestioning trust in them to have the right intentions when it comes to vaccinations and so on, and so forth. I can’t really say a lot more on it than that.

But yeah, I mean, that potentially if that really sort of happens and there’s enough resistance to it, it could actually be a good way of conveying nationalist thinking to people really, and getting them on board with it.

Laura: Yeah. I can’t imagine many people accepting that.

Ayatollah: No. There’s a lot of skepticism.

Laura: Yeah, definitely. It’s intrusive. But thank you David for the superchat. And Lord Ian Houston superchatted two pounds and said:

“1, 200 likes equals 50 pounds for the Laura Tea Fund. Easy ask!”

Ah thank you. I don’t think I’m anywhere near that, 800 likes, so if I get another 400 likes. But thank you for the superchat.

Carlos Tasty Wiener superchatted three Australian dollars, and just a little picture of a dancing pair. Thank you for that. And I’ll do two more.

Eddie from Glasgow five pounds and it says:

“Happy birthday Laura! Keep up the good work folks.”

Thank you very much.

And then there’s one from Mark Mullett and it says, five pounds:

“All you are brilliant! Mark Collett for PM within the next 10 years. We can do it!”

I would love to see Mark as the Prime Minister within the next 10 years. Mark, if you’re the Prime Minister can I be the Minister of Repatriation?

Mark: Umm, no! [laughter]

Laura: Why not?

Mark: You are supposed to be Deputy Leader, so that is your role! You would be Deputy! You can’t then run off and have your own other Department, as well as being Deputy! You’ve got to be Deputy.

Horus: The Prime Minister hogs the best.

Mark: But then I’d have to find a new Deputy, and that would be time consuming and annoying! It’s job that everyone wants to do, the deportations.

Horus: Obviously it’s not only the Minister of Repatriation that’s the plum job. Also the person who actually gets to physically do the action. It’s also really going to be really enjoyable! Like I actually dream, .

Mark: Repatriation gets to sort of go around in like an armored car literally, .

Ayatollah: With 15 grand!

Mark: [laughter] Loading illegal migrants onto carriers, or anything. I’m not sure it works like that guys.

Horus: I want to have a boat ready. And I want to have like a gang plank leading up to it. And I push David Lammy up to the door of the boat. And I put like a muddy boot print on his bum as he goes in! I really want to do that! [chuckling]

Laura: Yeah, I legitimately have fantasies about doing things like that [chuckling]

Mark: I can tell you this, if this stream had been on my YouTube channel, my YouTube channel would not exist anymore! [chuckling] this is such a miracle we are still live!

Horus: We’ll rein it in, I’m sorry.

Laura: We’re obviously talking about in Minecraft, because in real life, obviously we’re just talking about in Minecraft. And do you guys want to talk about the second topic, because I’m actually really impressed with this. Horus, of course, I think you should lead on this, because. Was It’s to do with Operation Broken Fence. Do you want to introduce that?

Horus: Yeah, all right. So I suppose if you put it in one sentence it would be, like a lot of us spend a lot of time online anyway on social media, Twitter especially. I’m calling for everyone who pays any attention to me [65:00], or to others around me, and to just make the most of that time online. And by that, I generally refer to [chuckling] I don’t want to single them out, but, you know, Friendly Spurg on, … I don’t know if he’s listening, but he’s a good fellow. He’s a bright fella. I assume he’s quite young, as well.

But he’s on Adam’s Friday Night Britain podcast, which is pretty good. Everyone should check it out. He spends his time arguing with people online, who are just not only never going to be swayed, or like persuaded of that position, but are also likely to report him! I’m saying, let’s do the exact opposite of that. And it’s look out for people quite focusedly, find people who are already frustrated patriots but who feel like they’ve got no one looking out for them and tell them about PA.

And so it consists mainly in identifying threads where there’s a lot of replies, you know, a few dozen, or more, sometimes obviously hundreds. And there’s two main things. One is just look at who’s retweeted these things. Say there’s a thread saying:

“How can we let these people have hotels when there’s veterans on the streets?”

Absolutely, right? Just look at who’s retweeting that, follow all of them right. And then 24 hours later all the ones who haven’t followed you back, unfollow them. That gets your follower account up with highly active people, and people of similar mind, right?

So you’re blending your following with new people. You’re widening your circle with people who want to hear what you want to say, and who want representation.

And the second thing, which is probably I don’t know, more maybe more time consuming. But I think it is quite fruitful, is go in the reply, never ever waste any time replying to the actual main tweet, because by and large, you know, a huge timeline full of replies. Don’t bother replying to them, pointless, waste of time!

Go through and look at all the people replying. You will find especially now with this illegal immigrant invasion going on across the channel, loads of people going:

“I can’t believe I voted Tory!”

Right. Tell them about PA! They’re crying out for it! Send them the plan, or just send them the home page. And say:

“Look there’s a mailing list on here. You can stay in the loop.”

I hope this, you know, you guys who run the website you can tell me if this is actually a good tactic from your end. I mean, I don’t know, maybe you’ve got a limit on the mailing list, or whatever. But if not, I’m basically just trying to tell people:

“Get in the loop, right! You don’t have to join. Doesn’t cost you any money. You’re not committed to anything. But you can just hear from an organization that wants to stand up for you!”

So it’s just, because it’s kind of like evangelizing right? And I tell, you know, there’s other tips that go along with this. Don’t be rude. Don’t be obnoxious in any way. Don’t tell people that they’re sheep. You know, [chuckling] anything like that. Also don’t be really blunt and extreme. Don’t obviously post pictures of the Austrian painter! Don’t lead in with, don’t just go:

“Watch ‘Europa the Last Battle’!”

See: EUROPA – The Last Battle – Part 01 — TRANSCRIPT

It’s too, it’s like going in dry, you know what I mean! You’ve gotta have some sense of where they are, right? And who wants to hear what, you know, who wants slogans? Who wants essays? Who wants, … But by and large, posting the plan, people love it! Honestly! You get people every day going:

“Wow! This plan is amazing!”

Right. So I’ve already got a few people doing this. And yeah it works. Especially as you work in a team. I see say Steve Stream Fellow, he’s one guy on Twitter who does it. I’ll see he’s talking to someone, it comes up in my feed. And I’ll then reply to that person who showed some interest. I’ll say to them:

“Oh yeah just if you look on the main page of this website, there’s a mailing list you can join.”

Or others will reply, and just:

“Go follow the Twitter account.”

That’s taking the Twitter account. So we just, you know, working as a team. And we’re just getting more and more people into the sort of the wide circle, getting informed about what PA is doing. And so it really all it is, is just organized and, you know, coordinated Twitter activity.

Also there’s people doing it on Facebook. Facebook’s somewhat different, because you’re using your real name and, you know, it works differently. The site works differently. But Twitter’s great for it! Because it’s just so open! And the other thing I would say about it is just I did a stream on this a couple of months ago. So you can see that on my BitChute channel is just called “Operation Broken Fence”.

But I keep banging on about it all the time. And my main aim with it is just to get dozens of us doing it. And together we’ll have a far stronger effect than one person doing it. And it’s just, you know, every day another few dozen, or even a few hundred more people who haven’t heard of PA, who want a group like PA, are hearing about it. And I really think it’s working.

So anyone listening, you know, all you need is a Twitter account. And I’ve told you how to get your follower account up again. I mean, I’ve got nearly 7000 followers now. At the start of 2019, I had, I think, less than 1000. And I got it up by the method I said, just following and unfollowing. And I did it by looking out for popular tweets by Gerard Batten, typically.

But there’s others, like Farage, and so on. Batten’s a good one, because he [70:00] straddles civinat and ethno-nationalist. You know, he says some ethnat things. So you you’ll just see exactly the kind of people who are ready to hear our message are following him and retweeting his stuff.

So I hope that gives some explanation of it. It’s just being trying to be efficient with your time online, and on social media. Trying to get as much out of it as you can.

Laura: Yeah. So there’s the hashtag Operation Broken Fence. If you go check that out on Twitter you can see all of our guys doing this. And I actually manage the Patriotic Alternative Twitter account, and I see our guys sending the plan to people and then comments from those people saying:

“Thanks. I’ll check it out.”

And then they follow us. And it happens quite a lot, every single day. And our followers are going up quite fast, because I think when it’s one-on-one and, rather than you just reading somebody else’s comment, you’re actually getting a message saying “check out this”, you do click on it. And you do have a look. So it might take you, you know, 20, 30 seconds, or something to write our tweet and send it to somebody. But it does seem to have a big impact.

And our followers are going up, and lots of new people are checking up PA. So it’s a really good tactic! If you are on Twitter and you’re just messing about, you’re scrolling through, you’ve got a spare half an hour, or something, just send people our plan, or just the website, or there’s a guy called Steve that usually sends my videos and says:

“Laura’s the deputy of PA. What do you think about this?”

He actually finds specific topics that people are talking about. So if somebody’s complaining about indoctrination in the education system, he’ll send them one of my videos about that.

Or if somebody’s complaining about the environment being damaged, because of mass immigration, he’ll send them my video about that. It’s just really good! Yeah, it’s just helping people discover PA.

So Horus I need to say thank you for doing this, and also everybody else who’s been helping out. Mark. What do you think?

Mark: I think this is an incredible idea! And Horus said something that’s so important. And it’s something that we’ve said as well in the past. Don’t waste your time arguing with people who are diametrically opposed to you! Don’t waste your time talking to people who are never, ever, going to come over to the other side! Or to our side, should I say.

Now the issue you’ve got here is highlighted by Rikki Doolan. He spent the, I think this Saturday, down in Nottingham. And there’s some really cringe-worthy footage of that guy, where he’s arguing with antifa. And he’s desperately saying to them:

“But don’t all lives matter? You’ve got to agree that everyone’s lives matter, don’t they?”

And he’s trying to win these people over! He’s trying to beg them! He’s trying to prove to them that he’s not racist! He’s trying to out debate them. They’re not joining his movement! He’s wasting his time!

What you need to do, is speak to people who are just about to join our movement. Who are sick of UKIP, who have probably been through several political parties. Are looking for real answers, real solutions. Talk to them! Don’t waste your time!

And I see loads of nationalists doing this. They’re in all these public debate groups on Facebook, and they spend hours in these back and forths with people having the same arguments, day in, day out, being led round by the nose by the same group of trolls! Don’t! Absolute complete waste of time! Do what Horus is saying. It works, it’s a really good use of your time. That is what you want to be doing.

Horus: And with antifa type people as well, they just want to get you booted off. They just want to de-platform you. So, I just block anyone who looks anything like antifa, whatsoever. And another tip is like vary your tweets a little bit. Like don’t just post exactly the same tweet partly also, because Twitter will maybe treat you as a spam bot if you do that. But also just, because it looks robotic if someone, you know, thinks what you’re saying is interesting but they look on your feed and they see that you’ve spammed it to everyone else. Don’t do that right, because it just looks robotic to them. So vary it about, which does take a little bit more time. But it’s worth it.

Also, anyone who wants to contribute who hasn’t got much time, if you see something in your timeline that just looks like a thread that’s going to be full of people replying who are, you know, fertile ground for our message, just retweet it with the hashtag operationbrokenfence. And me, or one of the other accounts will see it and retweet it and get it going. So it just becomes a team effort.

And I just, yeah, I’ll echo again what Mark said. I’m so glad that we agree on this. Like it’s just, do not bother talking to people who are just committed enemies of us! It’s going nowhere! And just the mention of Rikki Doolan, just makes me laugh as well. [chuckling]

Laura: Yeah! Ayatolla, did you want to jump in?

Ayatollah: Yeah. This sort of thing does work, but as both Mark and Horus have said, the key is look we’ve only got so much time. The key is to know who’s likely to be receptive and who can be brought around. And obviously that sort of common sense. You can gauge that by the sort of things they’re saying [75:01]. And it’s a matter of knowing how to talk to people.

I mean, I sort of think, you know, I probably wouldn’t be the best for this really, because I tend to sort of favor the aggressive Socratic question. But then that’s usually when I’m dealing with people that I’ve got utter contempt for, rather than people I’m trying to bring round.

Again, you know, you’ve got to be sort of friendly with people. And in some ways you can sort of present maybe the Socratic question in a way that is just making it clear that it’s favorable to their interests. It’s like:

“Well why do you think?”

You know in fact, a lot of times you don’t want to talk about “you”, because don’t make them feel like they’re an idiot, like they’ve been hoodwinked, you know. Don’t say:

“This is what they’re trying to do to you! This is how they’re trying to make you think!”

Say:

“This is how they make us think.”

So you’re making it an “us and them”. You know, your language and the subtleties are important. But don’t think this sort of thing in general doesn’t make a difference. I mean, I can tell you now, I talk to a lot of our listeners, and in the time I’ve been doing that, it’s immensely encouraging, because you hear about people who’ve had their views changed radically in a short space of time by listening to a couple of podcasts and whatever. Just through things they’ve learned, and just through certain little rhetorical questions that they’ve had put to them while they’re listening. It can come in many forms.

Obviously a lot of people are sort of racially awakened by things like the “Black Lives Matter” situation, and so on, and so forth.

I’ve also had people tell me that that their knowledge was expanded and their views change dramatically by reading comments on YouTube videos. Reading, not watching the videos, you know, obviously they’ve watched the videos, but reading the comments. And so everybody can contribute to this.

Again as we said you don’t need a YouTube channel, you don’t need a sort of a major profile, like that. You don’t need a podcast. You just need the knowledge and you need the will to contribute.

But again, it does need to be sort of organized, and people need to sort of share their knowledge of what works, and sort of do it in a concerted way. Which is what’s so good about what Horus has been doing, and what he’s been leading.

And another thing that’s important in this, and this sort of goes back to something we were talking about earlier with regard to making people know they’re not alone, and they’ve got friends, and they’ve got people who think the same way, and have the same questions about the situation in which we find ourselves, and about where the power lies, is, … Volume is important as well, because a majority of people, they’re decent people, but they’re not going to be renegades. They’re going to be led.

They’re going to think there’s something wrong with them if they have the impression they’re in a minority thinking the way they do. They’re going to need validation by numbers. So if they see a lot of people saying the same sort of thing it’s like:

“Well, I’m not morally flawed. I’m not a bad person. I’m not losing my mind! I am right!”

You know, we’re a social species, so that’s natural. So we need a lot of people doing it sometimes, because obviously, you know, engaging with people one-on-one is obviously one thing, but in the sort of the gamut of these sort of tactics more broadly, yeah, the reason we talked with such glee about people like, was it Unilad getting ratioed when they did the thing on Indigenous People’s Day? Is, because it’s one thing that you’ve got a load of people saying:

“Well I totally agree with what they’re doing.”

That’s great! And that’s a great sign of where we already are. But how many more people would have read that and thought:

“Yeah there’s nothing wrong with me thinking the world I think, because I agree with these people. But I was in denial about it and I would have been afraid to say it. But actually now I can see there’s loads of other people that agree.”

So how many more people now have come out about it? That’s what’s so important about having volume! That’s also why the enemy tries so hard to sort of atomize us and to shut us up, because god almighty! If people had the impression that, yeah, most people agree with this!

See: Laura Towler – We Were Never Asked – Oct 24, 2019 — Transcript

That’s why they were so annoyed about “We Were Never Asked” and coming out 70 percent of people don’t want to be a minority in their own country! If people, if they have the sense they’re not alone and that everyone agrees with them, well they’ve got a massive problem on their hands!

Horus: And the enemy are so good at making themselves look big as well.

Ayatollah: Yes.

Horus: The other thing I was going to say is that you touched on YouTube. Yeah, and I think John Smithy in the chat put the same thing. We can do exactly the same thing on YouTube as well. I mean, it’s a little harder, obviously you can’t use hashtags on YouTube, but organized YouTube comment domination is also very effective! Some people have found the Right through YouTube comments.

So by all means if anyone wants to organize the equivalent, I mean, Telegram can be good for this. Some equivalent for dominating YouTube. And as I said before, Facebook as well. We’re totally not making the most of Facebook, yet. I’ve gone for Twitter, because it’s the easiest so far. But other ideas on how to dominate YouTube comments and Facebook, like what we did with Unilad, was very, very encouraging! By all means throw that forward as well. We can call that all Operation Broken Fence. I mean, it’s great.

The reason it’s called “Operation Broken Fence” is, because it’s an operation to get people off the fence! And that works so well for us, because hardly anyone wants to get off the fence and move further Leftward! All the people who want to go Left have already gone, I think. [chuckling] So breaking the fence just sways everyone our way instead. Sorry, what did you say?

Ayatollah: No, I’m saying that they’re encouraged to. Like I remember I was on a normie Facebook account I had a while ago. I saw somebody in a group called his Facebook name, he was some middle aged bloke, with a middle class job, or whatever. And his Facebook name was “Left Wing Dave”, or something like that. [80:01] We were in the same apolitical group for something. I just thought:

“Well that’s nice isn’t it?”

Because there’s virtue points in that for you isn’t there? For sort of banging on about austerity and how wonderful the NHS is, and how Boris is a slightly better than average, you know, artist from a village in, you know, Austria, or whatever! [chuckling].

So yeah, I mean, I’m getting quite convoluted with these dog whistles now. [chuckling] Yeah, it’s obviously that’s the prestige position in this sort of inverted morality we’re subjected to. So yeah, like they’ll be quite happy to sort of say:

“Oh yeah, I’m Left-wing!”

It’s only the same as what? Even Sargon has done this before, I’m sure. And it’s only the same as what these idiots, these Rikki Doolan types would say:

“Oh! I’m a liberal!”

You know, they’re so keen, again they’re hostages of a sort of a hostile, they don’t know, yeah they’re hostages essentially. And they’re sort of trying to show fealty to people who are basically abusers!

Horus: And the Left is gradually becoming the “uncool” thing to be, because nobody can ignore the fact that BLM, however much it claims to be a rebellion against institutions, you know, the establishment, institutional racism, it had the backing of almost every major corporation in the whole world! And most governments!

So it’s not cool to be on the same side as Nike, and Amazon, and stuff! It’s never it’s never cool to be on the same side as corporate bosses. So they are losing the cachet, of, I don’t know, just they’re not the thing to be anymore. And we’re trying to upset that and overthrow that. It’s becoming more vogue-ish to be on the Right.

Ayatollah: They’re not Che Guevara anymore, they’re the Che Guevara T-shirt. But yeah, I’m gonna say, actually, yeah credit to John Smithy actually. I forgot to mention it. It was rude of me. But I was scanning the chat and I saw John Smith. He mentioned the YouTube comments, and it reminded me of a particular listener of ours I talked to. He was describing his trajectory into nationalism. And he was like saying:

“Well I watched this. And I watched that. And I was watching, I don’t know, Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, and I saw people talking about things to the Right of that in the comments. And that really brought me along.”

It does work! It really does work! So everybody can contribute to that. It’s just a matter of knowing how to do it without wasting your time. And again the more we can organize it and the greater volume we can get the more effective it will be.

Horus: And there’s no shame in blocking people! Anyone who’s just wasting your time, or wants to get you suspended, or whatever, just block them! It’s fine. You’re not doing anything wrong.

Laura: Yeah, so just to clarify, this does work. I run the PA Twitter account and there’s like a pattern. I’ll see one of our guys sort of like saying:

“Have you thought about this?”

And send in the plan from the PA website. And then someone will go:

“I’ll check it out.”

And then all of a sudden the follower does. And it’s like those three stages that people seem to go through. So yeah, if you’re on Twitter and you’re messing about, if you’ve got a spare 30 minutes, try that tactic to bring some people over to our side.

And just to remind everybody who’s on this panel tonight, the links for their social media accounts are in the description below this video. So if you want to check out Horus’s Twitter account, he has lots of hashtag operationbrokenfence tweets on his Twitter.

So I’m just gonna read through the final Superchats if that’s okay. One moment, it’s just refreshing. Which was the last one I read out? There’s so many Superchats! I can’t believe people have done this!

Okay so Sam Gray superchatted five pounds and there’s no message. But thank you very much for that.

Rodney Falberg superchatted five US dollars and it says:

“Civic nationalism is not flawed. The Persian and Roman empire lasted for centuries and defined history. Ethno-nationalism is violent, evil, and unsustainable.”

Well ethno-nationalism is the norm in pretty much every country, and always has been, apart from European countries. Japan, for example, is an ethno-nationalist country. It’s 98.5 percent ethnically Japanese. It’s just the natural state of things, you know, we’ve never had multiculturalism.

Ayatollah: Somebody paid to say that, did they?

Laura: Yeah! I mean, pretty much every country apart from White country, with a few exceptions, is an ethno-nationalist country, because they have a homeland for their people. So it’s not violent, it’s not evil, it’s natural. Do you guys have any thoughts on that?

Ayatollah: Yeah, if I could just sort of say quickly — and I was saying this to somebody fairly recently, and I’ve said it time and again, and I’ve never really had good answers to it. The question to ask people is always like, well okay, so you’ve got homogeneous society, and in the case of the vast majority of White countries, they’re pretty, in terms of like standards of living, and human development, and all these other things, they’re pretty advanced. And they’re nice places. They’re fairly high trust I mean, some, you know, some countries more than others, within our race. But you get the point. You just gotta ask them like:

“Okay so give me some examples of things that group A, or group B, outside of our race that have come into our countries against our will. Reel off for me, if you can, some of the things they can do that we can’t, that we actually need that we can’t do for ourselves?”

Because there’s never anything! Like if people want to say like:

“Oh well, you know what about, …”

You know, they usually they resort to the most frivolous sort of ridiculous things. It’s the food, isn’t it? It’s the wonderful range of restaurants and all that! It’s like, well look, if you want it that bad, buy a bloody cookbook first of all!

And secondly, like I’ve been to towns in this country, small towns where they’ve got Thai restaurants. They’ve got a population of about 7,000 people. If you want it that badly you can find it, if it matters that much to you.

But then you’ve got to set that against the other consequences of shattering a society’s homogeneity, and bringing in groups who quite often are frankly hostile, and absolutely detrimental to things like trust, and law, and order, and the general character of a place. But also it’s a matter of like, okay, if food’s that important to you, do you know, the Japanese population of Britain is? It’s about 50,000, and most of them are students. It’s not that hard to find sushi here if that’s what you want. Right?

So again as you said, Laura, ethnic homogeneity is the norm. And where it’s not the norm what you can see is, there tends to be a lot of strife in those places, because it’s just another thing to disagree about, and to come into conflict over. So yeah, what did we need it for?

We had the industrial revolution, so I think we’ve got enough work ethic and, you know, enough ingenuity in this country specifically. And you could apply the same to any other White country. We do all right, okay? It’s as simple as that! These people will never have an answer. If you simply ask them, right:

“Give me examples of some of the things that these people do that we can’t do ourselves, that we absolutely need?”

Because do we need *balti? You know, there you go! There’s never an answer to it.

Horus: We know the recipes anyway. As history Bro just said in the chat.

[* A balti or bāltī gosht is a type of lamb meat or goat meat curry served in a thin, pressed-steel wok called a “balti bowl”. It is served in restaurants throughout the United Kingdom. The name may have come from the metal dish in which the curry is cooked, rather than from any specific ingredient or cooking technique. Wikipedia]

Ayatollah: Look, we can use a grill, all right? We can cook with spices, it’s fine!

Laura: Yeah and also we need to point out that we were actually a nationalist country ourself, up until 1948.

Ayatollah: Yeah, what happened there? Yeah, and then some people are a bit further along you can get into the specifics of how that changed.

Laura: Yes. But thank you for the superchat and the comment as well. So there’s one from Stella J Atkins for nine US dollars and 99 cents. It says:

“Cheers from the dying American empire. Love you all. May the future be bright for us all!”

Thank you so much and best wishes to you guys in America, as well. And there’s one from Kate for 500, … I think that’s Norway, NOK? And it says:

“Happy birthday Laura! Support to PA, from Norway.”

Yes! I got it right! Well, thank you very much for that. And then there’s Mort Goldberg ADL Hate Speech superchatted two pounds and just wrote:

“Shalom!”

Thank you very much.

Horus: From Mort Goldberg? I used to know him. What a great guy! Hello Mort. How are you doing?

Laura: Yeah, I can’t say the full name. I think it says Mort Goldberg.

Horus: No, I’m joking [chuckling] sorry.

Ayatollah: From Mark Goldberg? Is that like a sort of a like a Levantine form of Morgoth, or something? [chuckling]

Laura: Thank you for the superchat. And then there’s Viking Dude for four pounds 99 pence, and no message. But thank you for the superchat. Tristan von Brickenstein for five Australian dollars. And it says:

“Some shekels from the future king of Neo Prussia.”

Thank you very much.

Pep superchatted two pounds and said:

“Bayern Munich for the win! Deutschland uber alles!”

Thank you very much. Dale jones superchatted two UK pounds. No message. But thank you very much. Thieleks superchatted 25 CHF, I think we said that was Swiss, didn’t we? And it says:

“Happy birthday Laura! You are a diamond! Have some more Swiss francs for your efforts.”

Thank you very much.

And then there’s S Grim for 100 Norway currency. I’m not sure what you call it.:

“Cheers Laura! PA’s policy is directly applicable to Norway. Good work!”

Thank you very much.

Mort Goldberg again [chuckling] and it says:

“Oh god! I thought this was an ADL fundraiser!”

Thank you very much for the superchat!

Horus: I’m a big fan of Mort Goldberg! What a great guy [chuckling]

Laura: And then there’s Infinite Thoughts for 1 pound 99. And it’s just a little sticker of a yellow person blowing a kiss. [chuckling] thank you very much!

Bob Carlin, five pounds:

“Hello! Bob Carlin here, for the birthday bird!”

Thank you very much!

And considering, how do you say that? Velvets, 20 pounds. It says:

“Happy birthday Laura!”

And a smiley face. Thank you very much.

Frank Slater for five pounds:

“We should work on cultural, social clubs which are non-political, but implicitly White, and traditionalist, a party without foundations is vulnerable.”

Well this is pretty much exactly what we do at Patriotic Alternative. We have regional groups [90:01] across the country. We have groups in Yorkshire, the East Mid to West Mids, London, the Southeast. And Mark and I might have another one to announce pretty soon.

But we have all these cultural and social clubs where we do things like hiking, paint-balling, all sorts of stuff. And we find that the conversation isn’t usually about politics. It’s just community building. So thank you for the superchat.

And then there’s Ale Robot Two for 139 Canadian dollars and 99 cents. I think that’s Canadian dollars? Wow! Thank you very much! And it says:

“Trust the plan! Happy birthday Laura!”

Thank you so much, that’s so sweet!

And then there’s DW for five pounds:

“Have a great birthday! Is there such a thing as keto birthday cake?”

I’m not sure. And I haven’t actually had any birthday cake, this birthday. I’m trying to be healthy. But thank you for the superchat.

And then there’s one from James L for five pounds. And it says:

“Please correct those in the chat misrepresenting PA’s repatriation policy. My Filipino wife would not be forcibly removed. Explain in full yeah.”

Yeah. So PA’s repatriation policy is voluntary. So for people who aren’t ethnically British, if they want to take voluntary repatriation, they can. But nobody’s going to be forcibly removed. So nobody needs to have any concern there. Apart from people who are in the country illegally, and apart from foreign citizens who commit crime. But yeah, we don’t believe in forcibly removing good people.

So I think that’s it. And it’s half past eight now. I’m just, oh there’s some more, some more came in while I was doing that. I’ll just finish them, sorry.

So there’s Bill Bays for 20 US dollars and it says:

“Greetings from Seattle. Laura did absolutely wonderful in the debate!”

Thank you very much.

And there’s one from Sick for two pounds. And it says:

“Multi-ethnic society is an exoticism fetish!”

I think people do fetishize multiculturalism, to be honest. Thank you for the superchat.

And then there’s also The Thin Red Line, for 10 US dollars. And it says:

“Birthday girl!”

Thank you very much.

And then there’s one from Count Dooblover, for five US dollars. And it just says:

“Testing.”

So that worked! And thank you very much for the superchat.

Well I’m so touched from all the Superchats that everybody’s giving me for my birthday. Thank you! I never expect any. But I always get them. But thank you!

And so you guys ready to finish now is there anything that anybody wants to add about any other thing? Anything you’ve got coming up that you want to plug?

Horus: I’d just like to give a thanks to all the moderators. I’ve got some of the same ones as you Laura. And this Beer Hall Pooch, Jewel Citizen, St Harrison, and also on my channel you got Lynx, In the Shadows, and Adam. They’re not just really helpful, they’re also like essential at the moment because, you know, we’ve had some saboteurs and stuff.

So I really appreciate their efforts. And they just make it more fun as well. So yeah.

And I’m probably gonna start doing a weekly show. I’m not quite sure it might be this week, or next week, or something. I’m gonna start using DLive more, as well. So if anyone wants to follow me on DLive, I’m on there.

But thanks very much from me Laura. It’s really good to talk to you on your birthday. I’m looking forward to seeing all you guys in real life soon, as well.

Laura: Thanks for coming on. And Horus’s social media links are in the description below the video, so do check them out and go show him some support. And Ayatollah, I hear you’re maybe starting your own show. Do you want to plug that? Your YouTube channel is linked in the description below this, so people can go in support you before you’ve even begun. But you’re going to be doing that on YouTube, BitChute, or DLive?

Ayatollah: Yeah it’ll be YouTube. I’ll try and think out with DLive, if I can sort of figure out all the technical stuff. So if anybody wants to offer me any sort of instruction on that, you can message me on Telegram, at Ayatollah underscore TASOB.

I do intend to start streaming on a Friday. Probably like, light-hearted, largely off-topic sort of stuff. I mean, I forget whether it was yourself Mark, or whether it was you Laura, saying that a lot of the conversation, you know, like PA events ends up not being political. And you sort of want those conversations at first, because you’re sort of starved of being able to talk about that sort of thing with people. And it’s like you can’t really be yourself in any other place among nationalists.

But you get to a certain point there, where it’s nice to actually just talk about normal and apolitical things with people who you understand of basically, they’re fundamentally sound in the things they believe, in like wanting their own people to sort of survive and act in their own interests.

But yeah, so Friday the 4th of September I intend to do my first stream on a Friday night. I’ve got to figure out the time at the moment, because I know Horus mentioned Adam’s Britain, Out show on a Friday night. I don’t want to clash with that if I can avoid it. I don’t want to sort of clashing with each other. I want us to sort of compliment each other. But I’ll figure something out for that.

I’ve got some format ideas I’ll have a bit of a think about it this coming weekend and I’ll get something together.

But yeah, thanks for having me on. Delighted to be asked as ever. And yeah, obviously Absolute State of Britain we’re at the right stuff.biz. That’s also in the description. So is my Twitter, and I’ll sort of shut up with the shameless self promotion there! [chuckling]

Laura: Well thanks for coming on. It’s always lovely to talk to you. And Mark I think everybody knows who you are and where to find you. But your links are in the description below, as well. And I think me and you are going to do a stream soon, is that right?

[95:00]

Mark: I think we will be doing a stream soon, yes. So yeah, that’s something to look forward to. And obviously people know that we’ve got some upcoming activism in a few weeks time! So there’s plenty of things to look forward to. I hope you had a lovely birthday. And thank you for inviting me on the stream.

Mark: Well thanks for being here and giving up your Sunday evening. And yeah anybody who’s listening who doesn’t know this, Mark and I work together at Patriotic Alternative. So if you check out our website you can register on there and you’ll get emails about all of our events.

And just before we close I’m just going to answer a couple of quick Superchats really fast. So there’s Darren McKinney for two pounds. And it says:

“Just home from the synagogue. What did I miss?”

Thank you for the superchat. You missed quite a lot, because we’re finished now. But you can go back and watch it [chuckling]. And then this that that Foley for two pounds:

“Happy birthday!”

Thank you very much.

And Jeff Stewart for 20 pounds. No message. But thank you very much!

So I think we’ll call it a day now. But I just want to say thank you to everybody for being here. I hope you enjoyed the rest of your Sunday evening. Thank you to the people who moderated the chat. I think it was Jewel Citizen, Postman, Patriot and Saint Harrison, who did that. Thank you all for being there.

Thank you to the Ayatollah, and Horus, and Mark, for giving up their Sunday night and coming on my birthday stream.

But yeah, we’re going to call it a night now. So yeah, just subscribe to everybody on the links below the video. And we’ve got lots more content coming up, so stay safe, and I’ll see you all again, soon. Bye.

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[Simon Harris and Horus talk with long-time political activist Paul Rimmer about the state of nationalism in Britain. Paul talks about his political journey, his involvement with the BNP and what needs to be done to save Britain from the looming demographic disaster.

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Is Populism and Patriotism Enough?

Paul Rimmer

May 5, 2020

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[00:08]

Simon: Okay. Hello everyone. And welcome to European Freedom livestream number 23! And I’ve called this one “Is Populism and Patriotism Enough”. And we’ve got a really great guest tonight. Veteran activist Paul Rimmer. So we’ve got a really good show ahead of us. But before I introduce Paul, I’m gonna talk to my mate it’s Horus. How’s it going?

Horus: Good thanks Simon. Yeah it’s lovely and sunny here, but it’s a cold wind. Yeah I had a nice big satisfying dinner. I’m doing all right. How are you doing?

Simon: I’m doing okay. Did you have a Viennetta for pudding?

Horus: [laughter] No just a bit of chocolate.

Simon: Or it’s just special?

Horus: No we had one on Sunday [laughter] actually.

Simon: I had strawberries and very, very classic vanilla ice cream. So I’m doing okay really. Okay I have to ask you the eternal question. What’s the state of the video? It’s been about six weeks since the last video mate!

Horus: No more. Yeah I recorded another part to it the other day and I’m gonna record another one tomorrow as well. So it’s gonna be six parts. And then I’ve still got to edit a lot of it as well. So I don’t know. Still not ready.

Simon: Months and months!

Horus: Yeah, sorry. I did a live stream with Haryan Gláeddyv [Silver Sword] on Saturday though. If people wanna watch something on my channel, check out my channel for that.

Simon: Okay great! Okay now we’ve got to introduce our fantastic guest, who is Paul Rimmer, who’s a veteran activist. I use this in the broadest sense there, the word, because we’re gonna talk about a bit about his political history. And he and I have been chatting. Well not chatting really kind of interacting mainly through the comments section of my videos for about 6 months, or so. Haven’t we Paul?

Paul: Yep.

Simon: And I’ve heard of you before that from EDL [02:02] activist Johnny Banks, who I’ve been friends with for years. And, in fact, I streamed with him about three years ago. And I should have should sense of a message today’s to say that you were on. He’ll probably be annoyed with me now. But I suppose really. And this is my introduction to you. I think we’re gonna discover over the course of this conversation some differences in our points of view.

But I think immediately, or certainly I felt, I was really pleased to see you in the comments, because I’ve heard of you. And I think we’ve kind of hit it off immediately. And I suppose what I want to get out of this conversation is that nationalist, Patriots, we’re all in this together and should be moving more, or less in the Right in the same direction. I don’t know why what you think about that mate?

Paul: Absolutely! Yeah, I think unity is the key really. I mean, we’ve all got the same purpose which is to save our nations. But we need to come together to achieve that. If we don’t come together we fight it as small groups and individuals it’s just self effort. It will get nowhere. But if we have purpose but no unity, it will all just be self-indulgence. We’ve got to come together and sort of pool our resources, because we’ve got one heck of a fight going on!

Simon: Yeah definitely. Because really we’re in the state of its “make-or-break” isn’t it? We’re fighting for survival in the West here. We’re approaching a very crucial moment in our history.

Paul: I think we’re in desperate times to be honest. The scale of immigration, and the collapse of our own demographic sort of reproduction is frightening! I mean, this is going to augment massive changes over the next two decades. And if we don’t wake up we’re just going to be pushed aside! And we’ll be, you know, consigned to the [04:00] rubbish bin of history.

Simon: Yeah definitely. I suppose the point, the place I wanted to start with really was how you and I kind of got to know each other. You started commenting on my videos back in October, when the whole thing in Catalonia kicked off.

And I suppose what we could establish first is the similarities in our positions. I slowly came to the conclusion that’s Catalan nationalism the Catalan independence movement is its false nationalism. It’s globalism, international Socialism, you know, masquerading as nationalism really.

Yeah, how do you view for Spain from Liverpool? I’ve heard you talk quite a lot about the Vox party. But how do you view the situation in Catalonia?

Paul: It’s a bit like Scotland really. It’s these sort of micro nationalisms. These sort of fracturing nationalisms, which want to attack the established nation-states. And they’ve taken on this, … Being sort of infiltrated by Marxists I would say. Who’ve managed to get themselves at the head of these pseudo nationalist movements and have pulled them dramatically to the Left!

So although they seem to be using terms like National Party, or calling for national autonomy they are, in fact, destroying the areas that they’ve taking power over! So it’s quite deceptive really what they’re doing!

Simon: Isn’t it interesting that lots of these nationalists, we talk about this quite often, because obviously I’m in Catalonia. But the SNP, Catalonia, Plaid Cymru to a certain extent, Sein Fein in Ireland, as well. And even in Quebec. All these kind of false nationalisms end up selling out to the whole multiculturalism, diversity, [06:01], or what we call the “Globohomo” agenda. Have you got any theories as to why this is? I personally think they’re designed to be this way.

Paul: I think they buy into a grievance politics. And they make themselves out as victims, and they develop this false narrative where they’ve been abused throughout history. And they’re still being abused today. And it’s not true! I mean, Scotland was a partner with England to create the British Empire!

Catalonia has always been the most prosperous region of Spain, and the most privileged region of Spain! But they seem to want to present themselves as the victims of some big bully. And it’s a fiction. And in order to maintain that fiction they go further and further to the Left. And for me it’s absurdity!

But! There’s money in it! This is the thing, these activists these left-wing nationalist activist, they’re getting control of institutions they’re getting control of government organizations, and they’re raking in the money! And there’s a built-in incentive to keep it going. Even though I’m not quite sure what they want, at the end of the day, because do they really want to fracture these very successful nations? I mean, that would be disastrous!

Simon: I mean, I don’t know what you think about it, Horus go ahead.

Horus: Now you’ve mentioned before Simon the Open Society Foundation got involved in the Catalan struggle as well. Is that right?

Simon: Yeah, because Open Society Foundation is very, the whole Soros thing is deeply embedded here. Soros hasn’t got offices in every city, but he’s got offices in Barcelona. The reason why, I mean, I think everybody on the stream knows that I was kind of heavily involved in the independence movement.

And I used to have a show on in English radio in Catalonia. And we got head hunted by Catalan national radio to do a show for them. And it would have been, we started [08:02] to move in the highest circles of Catalan left-wing independence politics. And there were Soros types everywhere. There’s a kind of foreign office, kind of Catalan foreign office called Diplocat [The Public Diplomacy Council of Catalonia]. I think three of the people that work there, three out of the seven people that work there also work for Soros. There’s also a think tank called CIDOB, where the people that work there works on government policy. Where the people that work there move between open societies foundations. So they’re completely embedded. Catalonia really is a color revolution, completely!

Horus: And that’s where money becomes a factor for the activists, like Paul said as well, right? I mean, Soros is a sort of a fountain of money isn’t he?

Simon: Yeah. And also what’s very unfortunate is the useful idiots. I spent a lot of time with useful idiots, who actually believed in globalism! They actually are firmly committed to the destruction of their own culture, their own country. They want to break away from Spain and fill it with migrants!

Okay, before I stop, I’m gonna add one more thing. You’ve probably heard of “Open Arms” the group that saves refugees, or fake refugees. Well they’re based just outside Barcelona.

And it’s stop and think about. If it’s got “open” at the start of its name, it’s probably funded by Soros. And this is totally funded by Soros. Open society foundation, Open Arms, Open Democracy is another of his groups. And, you know, they’re, the normal Catalans, who I love, many of whom are my friends have bought into this “let’s flood our land with refugees”! [10:00] a bit like Plaid Cymru [The Party of Wales] wanting to turn Wales into the most accepting part of the world for accepting refugees! Catalonia is very much the same, it’s so depressing.

Paul: It just shows how false the whole narrative is. Because there they are to preserve Welsh traditions, and Welsh culture. And they want to flood it with people who have no connection with Welsh culture whatsoever! But Soros has got to be the most sinister character since Joseph Stalin! I mean, Stalin created the Third International and it was a huge network around the globe manipulating the Communist agenda, imposed it on nation’s.

And Soros seems to have this vast network, because he’s accumulated so much wealth through the financial system. Incredible amount of wealth! He’s just buying in people and he’s obviously totally committed to this agenda of destroying the Western nations! Destroying Christendom! And it’s very sinister!

Horus: I always wonder with us of the Left wing nationalists, like those Plaid, like those in the Catalan movement, and the SNP. Like do they ask themselves, or each other, do they ever try and answer:

“Why is it that we’re supported by one of the very richest men in the whole world?”

Like how does that fit with left-wing politics? Like do they never, does that not trouble them?

Paul: I think it’s all bogus! Beginning to end! It is about enriching and empowering themselves. And they are buying into the agenda that brings that forth.. I don’t think ideologically that actually they are that deep. I mean, they’ll probably switch horses very quickly if anything went wrong. But they seem to have did the media on their side. And the political establishment on their side. And therefore, like the globalist they’ll just into this game of constant manipulation of the public. Constantly deceiving the public!

Horus: So for most than the you reckon it’s mostly a case of just getting on a massive gravy train?

Horus: Well, I can’t see any other reason for it.

[12:02]

Simon: I’m gonna have to disagree with you Paul. I mean, certainly Esquerra Republicana [(Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya (Catalan Republican Left) are the SNP of Catalonia)]. But when I was doing this radio show I had the chance to interview most of the bigwigs in the party. And a lot of people that founded the Assamblea Nacional Catalana [pro-independence Catalan National Assembly] which is the kind of the Catalan civil organized organizing group for the independence movements. They’re the ones that organize all the marches. The Esquerra Republicana’s Foreign Minister who I got to know pretty well. I was involved in various groups with him. Interviewed him twice. Went out for drinks with him on a number of occasions. I think, yeah he did African Studies, and he’s just a fan of Africa!

You start talking to him, he knows his Catalan history, but he wants to turn it into Africa! The brother of the founder of the ANC, which is the Assemblée Nationale Catalana. He’s got two black African adopted sons, or at least one.

And you kind of talk to these people and most of them have really bought, have really bought into it! It’s utterly and completely disturbing! And I think they sincerely, or perhaps not all of them. The right-wing party is a lot more cynical. I think they want the money. But the Lefties actually believe this BS! I found it really, I used to come home from doing this show, and say to the missus,:

“You know, I’ve got to stop doing this! I can’t be around these people anymore!”

Because the terrible thing is, they thought I was one of them! That I’d spent a year with them completely under cover! So they’d kind of let all this stuff out in private. And yeah I have to disagree with you Paul.

[14:01]

Paul: Well what I would say Simon with that, is that these people hold this ideology, this globalist ideology, one-world ideology, bringing the whole human race together. They hold it almost like a religion. It’s their sort of, it gives their life meaning. And it’s their purpose in the world to break down all barriers between people. We all live in this supposed harmony, where all that created order is actually cast aside! But! There is a different reality which shows when they send their children to school.

And I’ve noticed this with a lot of left-wing people in England. They won’t send their children to school with the ethnic minorities! They insist on sending their children to school, posh English schools! And that shows you their heart really is. But, of course, that doesn’t pay for them. I mean, I know so many left-wing people who have lived in multicultural, multi-ethnic, areas.

Once they’ve had children and the children reach school age, they move out these areas into an exclusive sort of White, English, middle-class areas. And that’s, because, that’s where they really feel comfortable. But their earnings come from buying into the multicultural agenda. So I think they’re very schizophrenic in that sense. But the reality is the heart is against multiculturalism, even though they’re making a fortune out of it.

Horus: I think it can partly explained as well in terms of class, right? Like obviously we don’t have the same classes that Marx described, and there’s not simply a world, you know, like as leftists, like international leftists, there’s not simply a world working class, a world bourgeoisie, or whatever. But I think there is perhaps, or has been forming for some decades now, like a world cosmopolitan class where, yeah, like anti-racism and anti-nationalism, is probably the binding ideology of like what is a global class that exists across most of the nations of the world. And these people sort of like get assumed into it, assumes upwards, socially into this cosmopolitan class. That just sort of glides across the top of the world like cream, you know, and that’s how I see these people.

And obviously is greased very much like lubricated by money that comes from people like Soros, probably Bill Gates and people like that as well. And Bono [chuckling] and the anti-nationalism is the binding ideology of that class. They might not all really believe in it, but they all go along with it, because it serves to bind their class together. And what you said about the schools, Paul, I can imagine, yeah they go to schools that are mostly White. But there will also be the odd, very wealthy, Nigerian, with a very wealthy Indian, or something. They’re like this son of an Indian billionaire. So they will have multiculturalism to that degree, but it’ll be with other wealthy globalist, you know, cosmopolitan types.

Paul: I think that’s the higher echelon to the globalism, you know. People who can move around the world who are really at the top of these institutions. But, of course, globalism that has this huge constituency below that. Which goes right down to primary school teachers, and people working in hospitals, and so on.

Horus: Yeah.

Paul: Especially public sector unions, liberal professionals. And it’s they’re sort of slightly working-class, a lot of them. Just upper working class. And even amongst them you see this discrimination when it comes to their children in terms of education. They don’t want their children educated with the ethnic minorities! Shows what their heart is.

Horus: Yeah. And for those of us who remain in the normal in the working-class in the older sense, [18:02] there are some of the most repulsive people, because they’re really close to the action! They know what harm they’re causing, and they still serve this kind of ruling class. Because they hope to be, to sort of ascend up, up towards it, I think.

Paul: And their treason is blatant as well! I mean, you know, they’ll fly the Palestinian flag, but they won’t touch the Union Flag! You know, they want to ally with anybody who’s anti-British, or anti-White, or anti-Christian. They despise Christianity, that is another aspect of it.

Simon: Did you see all those Liberal Democrats celebrating Ramadan the other day? [chuckling] What a pathetic bunch! I found us this guy on Twitter the other day, had got up early in the morning to have breakfast. And he was gonna spend the rest of the day celebrating Ramadan. But significantly these people hadn’t celebrated St. George’s day, so their kindness is utterly and completely misplaced!

Paul: And their sincerity is really bogus as well, because, before they’ll celebrate Ramadan, they’ll go on a gay pride march and celebrate, you know, sexual perversity! So I mean, it doesn’t mean that. They’re just plugging in to people they regard as their constituency. There’s no real loyalty to any of this! It’s just absurd! The Liberal Democrats, I mean, they’re playing this sexual politics game now. You know, their leader, I think that one of the women who sort of campaigned to be leader the Liberal Democrats, she described herself as “pansexual”!

Horus: Layla Moron, isn’t it?

Paul: Yeah [chuckling] ten years ago that would have been totally absurd! But now that that plays well amongst the Liberal Democrats. There totally lost people.

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Horus: I wonder, like if they actually, do they not realize that almost all Muslims will laugh at them for doing this! Right? It’s not something that actually earns the respect, or the affection, of Muslims. I don’t think so at all. It’s bizarre!

Simon: But Muslims are noble savages as far as they’re concerned! [loud laughter] Muslims can have no evil thoughts! Please bear in mind it is a religion of peace, isn’t it!

Horus: 100%!

Paul: Well I think if the Muslims appreciate the key elements of it. It’s false! It’s false adulation of Islam. But it helps them in advancing, you know, the dar al-Islam, their control of this country. So they’ll appreciate that.

Horus: I’m sure they welcome it, because, yeah, it increases their power. But I imagine their feelings about it are contemptuous.

Paul: We’re all dhimmis* aren’t we to them. So I mean, these are just showing that they’ve accepted this dhimmi status of inferiority and they’ll bow the knee at a Muslim festival.

[* Dhimmi refers to specific individuals living in Muslim lands, who were granted special status and safety in Islamic law in return for paying the capital tax.]

Horus: We will start seeing them convert as well. That can happen to a lot of White leftists. There’ll be a certain tipping point where a load of them will just convert all at once.

Paul: And they put the burqa* on.

[* Burqa — The terms niqab and burqa are often conflated; a niqab covers the face while leaving the eyes uncovered, while a burqa covers the entire body from the top of the head to the ground, with only a mesh screen allowing the wearer to see in front of her. The burqa is also not to be confused with the hijab, a garment which covers the hair, neck and all or part of the chest, but not the face. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa]

Horus: Yeah, all sorts. Well they’ll probably wear like a rainbow burqa, at first, or something. But they will slide towards just basically worshiping the Saudi version eventually.

Paul: Well, what’s got me about Keir Starmer when he first became Labour Party leader, he made a big speech about the Labour Party’s got to win back — who have they got to win back? The White working-class. They lost seats, they lost seats in White working-class areas to Conservatives. Now they’ve got to win back the Hindu vote! The Indian vote! And they sort of see themselves now as the party of the ethnic minorities! It’s almost as if they’ve sort of totally now ditched the working-class, the indigenous people of this country. They don’t really want to touch it. And the Liberal Democrat are the same.

[22:02]

Simon: Well, they completely have, haven’t they. And to continue talking about these kind of people, they must live in a world of complete cognitive dissonance, because of all the parts of the kind of progressive stack are mutually inconsistent with each other.

And I don’t know if you’ve seen the message. There’s a group in our circles called “The Hundred Handers“. A fantastic group who put out leaflets all over the country. And when you read in the papers about “White supremacist hate leaflets” being put in the city, it’s a group of our friends. But one are their leaflets is:

“Islam is right about women.”

Which completely shows the cognitive dissonance that they must be feeling.

Paul: Islam is right about homosexuality!

Simon: [chuckling] It’s exactly the same! But I was reading the other day — I can’t remember the exact quote — but we are kind of living in a “1984” time.

And it seems to me that what the powers that be are trying to make us do is profess to believe increasingly evident lies! You know, we have to go along with transgenderism, Islam is consistent with homosexualism, this complete mass of weirdness!

And it the way to the way to really subjugate people is to make them make them lie to themselves. They have to go along with it and they have to say:

“Yeah transgenders really exist,”

And they have to pay lip service to that. And it’s even more humiliating if you actually start to bleep this stuff out. I mean, this is one of your big points, isn’t it Paul? I know that you’re Christian. I’m a kind of a borderline Christian but I feel that’s part of what us in the on the nationalistic, patriotic end of politics are, we’re people that are true to ourselves. I refuse to lie about this stuff! Two and two make four! Nobody on earth is gonna get me to tell you that they make five!

[24:26]

Paul: Yeah I mean, you know, we are authentic people. We speak the truth from the heart, simple truths, you know, about the nature of the world. But there is a simple truth about the Left, as well as the Liberals. Their agenda is not bringing this coalition together. Their agenda is hatred for us! It’s a hatred for our traditional societies, our traditional faith, a home, Britain, and what we’ve done for the world.

They’re actually united in this desire to destroy us! That’s what brings the Muslims, homosexuals, the feminists, the Marxists, all together in this coalition. I mean, they stay as a coalition, as long as we’re there to be attacked, you know. But the White male, the heterosexual White male from Christendom, that’s the hate figure they want to destroy. And that’s why they’re so sinister, so disturbing.

Horus: This is why I’d say tactically, it makes so much sense for us to encourage them to express that hatred as clearly and acutely as possible, because that gives us the best chance of our people awakening to this anti-White anti-male front that exists.

Paul: You see it best in the Trump derangement syndrome, where they absolutely hate Trump, because he’s a male, he’s White, he’s successful, he’s got a beautiful wife! They hate everything about him!

Horus: It’s amazing, because he’s barely done anything! Like he hasn’t done things anywhere near as bad as George White Bush. For the Left there’s so much more reasons to hate George White. He was responsible for, you know, huge number of deaths and misery and destruction. And Trump and done anything like that. But they hate Trump ten times more!

[26:15]

Paul: Because Trump mobilized the ordinary American patriots, the working-class, the White working-class. He brought them back into the political arena and has made them a political force again. Whether that’ll inspire the next elections is a question. But it really disturbed than that. They thought they destroyed the American patriots under Obama, you know, his eight years as President. They targeted them. They flooded their communities with drugs, they took away their manufacturing jobs. They constantly denigrated them and try to break their spirit! Trump brought them back from the dead! And they really loathe that.

Horus: Yeah, the fact that he just made nods towards ethnic identity, or White racial identity. That was what frightened and infuriated them so much, I think.

Paul: You see that Michigan sort of protest about the lockdown? In Michigan where the White militia turned up, the state militias with their guns. And they were so cocky and confident! And that’s what really disturbs the Left.

Horus: They really are terrified just by the appearance of that. It’s not even them doing anything, it’s just the fact that he exists! And it’s not on its knees. They really infuriates them.

Simon: Okay guys let’s move on a little bit with the conversation.

I was going to be self-indulgent dodging and talk about Jose Antonio. I’ve got his name in this week, because Paul, we got back in touch with me really commenting on my Jose Antonio primo de Rivera. But we’ll talk a little bit more about that Spain a little bit later.

I kind of wanted to do, as we as we kind of getting to know you. And perhaps a lot of the people in the audience don’t know Paul very well. I kind of like to go back a little bit through your history. And obviously I do my research. And you’ll tell me whether this is true, but I found lots of articles about you in the Liverpool Echo. The Liverpool Echo really love you, don’t they Paul.

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Paul: Well I’ve stood for Mayor twice and stood for Police Commissioner. And I’ve stood for other political offices. So I got very well known on Merseyside side and engaged with lot of radio phone-ins. And I didn’t pull back, I really attacked the Left. Let them know what I thought about them. And people responded to that and really like it.

Simon: Okay this is, I mean, you can tell me if this is true I’ve got no idea this is what the Liverpool Echo says about you:

“As a young man growing up in Liverpool he was a member of the Labour Party and flirted with militant tendency. He later joined the Conservatives, the BNP, and more recently UKIP. And has now landed in the English Democrats and wants to be mayor of his home city.”

So perhaps I thought what we could do is we could go back through your political journey. I don’t know if it’s true whether you flirted with militants, or not. But I was a member of the Labour Party, probably around about the same same time as you were more on the Left. And I think it’s a very interesting thing to hear is how people go through their lives and finally reach, or when they reach the kind of, when they finally see the light when it comes to patriotism and nationalism.

So let’s go back to when you were a very young man. Were you involved with militants? This would have been cs.

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Paul: Well I mean, my political odyssey started in the 1970s with the National Front. You know, first of all Enoch Powell, and then the National Front. Because in 1976 the National Front swept this nation! Swept the working-class communities, culturally, not politically. But we were all National Front supporters in north Liverpool. And there we were all on board to save this nation. We had an instinctive patriotism, an instinctive love of our people and we realized we were under threat. And in those days the White working-class was powerful. It was the biggest group in society and it could impose itself.

And it was only Mrs. Thatcher sort of picked up the National Front agenda. Started talking about putting White people at the top of council housing lists! Mrs. Thatcher used that language, “White people”. She started talking about the immigrants were threatening to swamp our cities and had to be stopped. And there so she sort of realized what way it was going into and she bought it. And she siphoned off that agenda and siphoned off the votes. So in 1979 Mrs. Thatcher won a very substantial majority in the general election.

And she brought out the Nationality Act. And she put down on immigration very quickly. And she started to stop the political correctness in the state system. And this led to the Toxteth riots [a Liverpool suburb] as a reaction in their sort of ethnic communities. But it’s really bizarre this, but in June 1979 the Conservatives won the European elections in Liverpool. People think Liverpool’s a left-wing city. In 1979 Liverpool backed Margaret Thatcher, believe it, or not. But, it then all went sour very quickly. When the recession hit, monetarism. She allowed Sterling to go too high, unemployment suddenly mushroomed to three million.

People were getting very disturbed by her agenda and the whole city just moved dramatically to the Left. And I was carried along with that tide. And I heard people in the militant tendency, preaching their message. And it had a passion in it! And it was a sort of was a rallying call to the people of Liverpool. And I was swept along in that.

[32:10]

And I read the Communist Manifesto. And I thought this is reality! This is what’s happening now! This is showing us away forward! And I bought into it completely. And then I got involved with militants and got involved with the Trotskyites, and explored Marxism. I mean, I read everything, you know, I devoured it! And I was really committed. I was really militant for about two years, three years.

And then I started to question it. I started to question, the people involved in it. Started to question it’s hostility to liberty and to our traditions. And I just became disillusioned with it, you know, to be honest. And, of course, in 1983 Margaret Thatcher won the general election, and the Left, the wind was taken out of its sail. And it was a new dawn in Britain really.

And I was a boxer, so I was around sort of military types at University, Cambridge. And I started to associate more with them and with it with their view of the world. And I read Roger Scruton’s book “The Meaning of Conservatism” [published 1980] and it give me this sort of intellectual ideological depth to take on the Left. And I just completely changed sides.

But really I was going back, I was reverting to what I believed as a kid, you know, to my instinctive patriotism, way back in 1976. I just reconnected with that. So I regard the whole left-wing period as just an aberration really. It was just part of that time. And a lot of working-class people were caught up in it. And I think a lot of us are shaking it off.

Simon: And then you joined, you actually joined the Conservative Party, didn’t you, throughout the Thatcher period?

Paul: I never got involved though in activism. And I went to work in the City of London which was a very conservative thing to do. But then I sort of, I mean, politics lost a bit of edge, you know, in the late 80s, early 90s. Things calmed down. Thatcher went didn’t she in 1990. Major come to the fore.

But I was very disturbed by the Maastricht Treaty. And I began to realize this was going to be a big issue in the future. I could see the way we were conceding more and more ground to the European Union. And this was impact on our sovereignty. And I thought eventually, it’s gonna impact everything! Including our control of our borders and immigration.

[34:33]

But don’t forget when John Major lost a general election 1997, immigration into this country was only 50,000 per year! So it was minuscule compared to today. I mean, it’s more than ten times that now. So it wasn’t a very big issue.

But I’ve become aware that demographically the West was being left behind by Islam, by India, and Africa. And as the youths were building up in these areas, we were aging, our population was aging. And I saw, I realized there was a danger there. There was a danger that we were actually going to be overwhelmed by the youthful vigor of these other continents. And we had to change direction. And I was really concerned about the level of abortion in Britain. And the fact the families are getting smaller and smaller. But it wasn’t panic stations at that point!

But when Blair won the election in 97, you know, like yourself Simon, I’ve been in the Labour party. And I knew what the Labour Party’s agenda was! I knew they were gonna hand over all our sovereignty to the European Union. They were gonna break up the United Kingdom! You were gonna flood the country with immigrants, on a vast scale!

And I tried to I try to warm people in 1997. Don’t vote for Blair, he’s a danger! But people were blind! They were so bought in by Blair, they believed in Tony Blair so much in 1997! It disillusioned me about the British people. I thought:

“Can they be manipulated so easily?”

Because I knew exactly what Blair and Mandelson were up to! And for me, that was that the day of catastrophe when they took power. And then I went back to nationalism, really, to the National Front in a sense. I went back to the British National Party. Because they were the only party that was speaking the truth on these issues.

[36:24]

Simon: Let’s go back a bit to, I think we might have a slight, or certainly Horus will, slightly different disagreement, and I will too. I’ve heard you speak quite praisingly, quite glowingly of Margaret Thatcher. But being — as we said before we came on the street stream — I was born in Nottingham. Lived in the northwest, lived in a very nice village in the northwest throughout my adolescence. But then went back to Nottingham for University. And I was there back in Nottingham from 1978 till kind of late 1984.

And throughout all that period I was kind of strongly anti-Thatcher. I was definitely a lefty throughout those periods. And kind of looking back on that period is, it’s very but very difficult to see Thatcher positively. Yeah a lot of the rhetoric is more patriotic, more, yeah home ownership.

But basically she ripped the flesh, she ripped the bones out of the northern industrial working class. She closed down the steel industry. The miners strike, I suppose the unions had to be broken. But now we don’t produce any coal. And in many respects my politics have changed, but I can’t help but seeing Margaret Thatcher as overall being a bad thing for Britain. I’m guessing you’ll disagree with me here.

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Paul: Well my perspective was from, I went down south you see. So I saw the surge in prosperity in the south. And I knew eventually would actually go up north. When Margaret Thatcher began her attack on the trade unions and the imposition of monetarism, I think it was something like 365 leading economists wrote to the Guardian a letter and said:

“This is going to lead to economic catastrophe! It’s gonna destroy the British economy!”

But within two years the British economy was growing at 4% per annum. It was the fastest growing economy in Europe. And the investment just poured into this country. Because I was down south the investment initially went there. I saw the redevelopment! I saw factories being set up. I mean, Cambridge itself become a great industrial technological center. I saw a vast wealth. And in London the property prices started to surge. Stock market started to surge. And it was like a Renaissance of Britain. And, of course, Margaret Thatcher was a great figure on the international stage. Ronald Reagan loved her.

She began to influence the Communists. They began to listen to her ideas. Privatization, of course, was a big thing, creating efficiency in the public sector. And communism fell. I think Margaret Thatcher was sort of, was very much responsible for the victory in the Cold War. Of course, we also had the Falklands War as well.

Now, there was an underlying nationalism in Maggie. I mean, when I listened to her, I began to realize she had a passion about Britain and the British people! She really believed in our history. She really believed we had a mission in the world. And the English-speaking world was a Churchillian view really, and she was linked up with America. And she saw us as a leading light, and it inspired me! Because I’d got used to being in a decline and negativity in Liverpool! I’ve got used to like communist waffle and nonsense and people abusing the public sector. The inefficiency of the public sector, and the sense of national defeatism. You know, the hostility to Britain imposing itself on the world. And I’d grown tired of that.

And I think Thatcher was very inspirational! And I think I still think was a great tragedy that she was pulled down in 1990, because I think we would have left the European Union a lot earlier, to be honest.

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Simon: Okay, that might be true, but my question is really what did Thatcher conserve? My big gripe, you know, the part of Nottingham where my family are traditionally from. My grandad —once again, everyone in the stream knows this — my granddad was a trade union leader, drove the buses, Transport and General Workers Union. The family had lived in my great, great, great, great — plenty of greats — was the first blacksmith on the river Leen before Radford even existed.

We were kind of an established family in Radford. And Radford had the Raleigh factory, the Players factory, and the pit. It was one of those traditional working-class communities where you could, I mean, I’m talking to up to the age of 10, 11, before we moved to the northwest, where everybody was auntie this, or uncle that, or where I could go into any house for an orange juice.

And really the miners strike was a massive turning point! It was becoming degraded already by the time I gone back to university. Because I actually had digs in the part of town where my family was from. So I was really going back to my roots. But really, the miners strike destroyed the Midlands and the north. I’ve got no idea, I haven’t been back to Liverpool for a long time.

But I can never really forgive Thatcher for that. And to be perfectly honest, you can talk to me about GDP and the economy all you like, but really what I want to say, I don’t care whether the economy’s booming, because if that money’s going to the wealthy, well it’s going into their pockets.

What I care about is the well-being, and now not in a kind of socialist way. In very much a kind of Jose Antonio primo de Rivera way! You’ve got to you have to look after the people. And I think Thatcher didn’t do this. Certainly not down our way.

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Paul: I was down south and I was being told how desperate Liverpool was. And, you know, our poor the city had become, how shabby and sort of demoralized. I remember going back up north for me sort of break at the end of University. And the street where I lived, there was BMWs there. There was a Jaguar there. There was all sorts of flashy cars we had never seen before.

I mean, I just come from a working-class community and people were buying the council houses and renovating the council houses. People would actually become an entrepreneurial. They were starting their own companies! This is the true spirit of Britain! We’re not a nation that that buys into communism. We’re a nation that buys into enterprise, and actually, you know, making things happen, we’re a creative people. And I thought that was very much the sort of socialist propaganda that was being sold to us.

But there’s another factor as well, because I’m not an economic determinist. I don’t think people are shaped by the economy. I think people are shaped by cultural factors. And what really led to the collapse of the extended family, and the contraction in the number of children people had, and so on, was a turning away from Christianity.

I mean, it was the Labour Party in 1967 that brought abortion into this country. It was the Labour Party that legalized homosexuality! It was the Labour Party that made divorce easy! It was the Labour Party that undermined the social fabric of working-class communities.

And Margaret Thatcher understood this, because she always wanted to win back the inner cities and to revive them in a true British mode. But it proved very difficult, because the Labour Party had a grip on them. It’s only this recent election now, 2019, that the Labour Party’s finally lost it’s grip on the White working class in this country. And it was long overdue!

[44:12]

Simon: Sorry, I just switched my mic on. Horus, you’re a great, … I kind of accept your points Paul, but, you know, we have to have a productive conversation here. Horus, you’re a great critic of the Conservative Party, aren’t you? Have you got anything, any come back on Paul for this?

Horus: Yeah, probably that applies least to Thatcher though. I think she is one Tory who got a few things right.

Simon: That’s, because you’re a monetarist, aren’t you!

Horus: I’m not a monetarist. I’m against monetarism! Monetarism is bollocks. No, I’m an Austrian, … Yeah, she likes Hayek. And he was the worst of the Austrian school as well. But I like other Austrian school economists.

But with the miner’s strike, that was more, or less forced upon her. She prepared for it well, or you could say cynically. But that was caused, in my opinion, by NUM, or by the revolutionary leadership of the NUM, and by Scargill in particular. He was a revolutionary socialist! And he saw an opportunity, he believed wrongly, to bring her down and perhaps to bring down democracy, really. And to impose a “workers democracy”, you know, communist rule, basically.

It wouldn’t have been the same as the Soviet Union. But that was his aim. And. I don’t think she was closing, her government was closing mines any faster than Callahan and Wilson’s government had. As far as I could see, from what data I’ve seen, it might be manipulated. But from what I’ve seen, it was a pretty steady rate of closure going through the 70s, into the 80s. But whenever the Tories get into power — I saw this for the first time in my own life in 2007, very, very clearly — Labor, sorry the Left, just become one mass that swings into action! And they all know, they’re all ready, they all know that their program is to just bring down the Tories in any way they can.

[46:30]

And in the eighties, the Tories triggered a recession in the start of the eighties. So I mean, they sort of gave the Left an opportunity to attack them there. Didn’t quite bring her down, it was by a hair’s breadth that she hung on. But she did. Then the Falklands, they hoped, they supported the Argentine dictatorship, more, or less, hoping that would bring her down. And that didn’t go very well for them.

And then, they saw an opportunity with Scargill to try and bring her down. And yes, she sort of provoked the strike in some ways, by preparing for it. But that’s, because he was already pushing for it. And Scargill, he tried two, or three times, before he called the strike to get the NUM to vote for it. And they wouldn’t! The ordinary members didn’t want the strike. And eventually, after I think two, or three attempts, he just called a strike anyway, with minority support within his own Union. And the strike failed, partly, because several regions, I think, … Nottinghamshire might been one of them? Or Derbyshire?

Simon: Yeah. The Notts men, … Everybody hates Cargill! I mean, this is something I’ve argued about most of my life. I’m playing devil’s advocate with you a little bit Paul.

Paul: Yeah

Simon: But Scargill was a complete disaster. You see what you have to realize is that Notts and Yorkshire — I’m from, I’m Nottinghamshire born and bred, and pits are the best! Our coal seam is the best, that’s it! And what Scargill did, without consulting the Notts men he sent flying pickets down, and just put them outside the pit.

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Paul: I remember it well.

Horus: Terroristic, right? Terroristic action!

Simon: And so the Notts men who tended to be more conservative and certainly didn’t like a Yorkshireman leading them, anyway. This just provoked them, not to come out. So basically Scargill scuppered it from the start off.

Horus: Attacking his own men?

Simon: Yeah. Completely!

Horus: Attacking his own class?

Simon: A completely ridiculous tactic!

Paul: I actually think though that there’s a lot of mythologizing about the coal industry. Digging for coal is a very primitive activity! It’s what people basically do in the Third World, now. I mean, if you can create a Technology Park, it would generate more wealth than any coal mines. I mean, the price of coal was collapsing in the 1980s, that’s why they didn’t need the pits. They could bring it in from Australia at 7 pound a ton! Seven pound for a ton of coal! I mean, how many tons of coal did you need to buy a BMW car? You want technology! We want a sophisticated productive economy.

We don’t want an economy based on primitive industry! So we had to move away from the coal industry. And it’s not a good job to go down and dig coal underground. It’s a very dangerous job, it’s very unpleasant. But to be honest. I don’t think it’s a job that we should be doing today. You know, I think it’s a very primitive job.

So all this mythologizing of the coal industry, I didn’t buy into it. But what was really significant about Thatcher was, she wasn’t Hayekian! She listened to the Austrian School of Economics, but that wasn’t where the heart was.

[49:55]

I was a Cambridge at the time and I was a bigger fan of Roger Scruton. And Roger Scruton mentor was a guy called Morris Cowling. He was a big friend of Enoch Powell. And they used to have a seminar in Peterhouse College. And Cowling would be there, Powell be there, Roger Scruton would turn up and Margaret Thatcher would turn up. That was it, she was a Tory nationalist, Margaret Thatcher. But here it was all about Britain.

When she died and they had a big funeral for her at St. Paul’s Cathedral in London. I went down to the funeral, and I gave her a speech in a pub afterwards with all the Tories. Where there was Tory MPs there. Michael Howard was there. And I said:

“Margaret Thatcher in essence was, she believed in Britain! She believed in the British spirit! She believed in the British people! And she believed that Britain could play a key role in the future of the world. And had a key role to play!”

Now a lot of Tories were really lifted by that.

But there was a group of Asian conservatives there, Hindus. There was a lot of Hindus now in the Tory Party. And they actually booed me when I said that. They said I was being fascististic, you know, for saying something like that. But that’s the essence of Margaret Thatcher. That she was a patriot. And that’s why really I admired her.

Horus: Morris Cowling is a fascinating character. He was quite working-class like her, wasn’t he? I think in origin.

Paul: He’s a tough cookie Morris Cowling! Didn’t take fools lightly, I tell you.

Horus: Do you remember about Scruton, they were like, sort of lower middle class, or working class, in origin? They weren’t toffs.

Paul: Roger Scruton’s father was a trade unionist and a Labour Party supporter.

Horus: Hmm. And Jonathan Bowden’s speech on Morris Cowling was really good. Have you heard that?

Paul: No. I mean, I was a great friend of Jonathan Bowden. It was just a tragedy when he died, aged 49. That man was a fantastic orator! I attended a lot of meetings where he spoke! We spoke together on many platforms. Real tragedy when he died.

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Horus: Coming across his speeches, I think shortly after he died, maybe in the year after he died, was the first time I ever heard of him. I came across his speeches on YouTube. And that was the biggest red pill of all for me, because I was listening to something on YouTube and then it auto-played without me, you know, I was doing something else on my computer. And it auto-played on to a Bowden speech. And an hour passed and I looked down at the bottom, I was like that was interesting. What channel is this? And it was a BNP channel.

And until then in my life I’d never permit myself to click on anything to do with the BNP, right? Because I was just completely indoctrinated against all that. And just wholly believe that that was black magic! You don’t open that book! You know, I did by accident and he won me over, just like that.

Paul: I went to a meeting at the Irish National Party in Belfast. These are like it an anti-Sinn Féin Irish nationalists, genuine nationalists. And there was for a lot of lads there from West Belfast, you know, Catholic lads. So I said to them:

“So, how could you come here today and you’ve given up on Sinn Féin.”

And they said:

“We’ve all been listening to Jonathan Bowden on the Internet!”

Lol wow this guy I mean, I used to listen to his speeches, and I take a DVD home with the speeches. I’d listen to it 20 times! It was an education. I was amazed! And he’s still under-rated now. He still needs to be promoted more.

Horus: You’ve got any speeches that people haven’t seen already? You could publicize them, like people are gagging for more Bowden material. There’s speeches that people rumor about, that seemed not to have been recorded. And people are like:

“If we could only get this one!”

So if you’ve got any that aren’t already on YouTube.

Paul: There’s a guy in Wigan called Dr. Charles Martha, who sort of led the BNP in the northwest of England. Ex Labour guy but a [word unclear], but a great man. And Jonathan Bowden would just turn up at a meeting in a pub in St. Helens, or in Wigan and give one of his speeches, you know! And Charles Martha would actually film it. So he made DVDs of all these speeches. You know, he’s got quite a collection. I think someone needs to connect with them, you know, and release them. Because they are amazing speeches!

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Horus: That would be gold dust! If there’s more you could put out there, that’d be amazing!

Paul: . I don’t think there’s been anybody in modern British politics who can touch Jonathan Bowden. For, you know, the way he would open up the cultural nature of conservativism. The way he’d talk about the glory of Britain. And his insight into actual politics, world politics, was unique!

Horus: I realized one one step when I realized how brilliant he was when I listened to his speech about Punch and Judy! Which I’ve never, you know, it’s a topic I never cared about whatsoever! And suddenly Punch and Judy’s really interesting! He’s brilliant! Because he I think he used to perform Punch and Judy shows sometimes as well.

Paul: [laughter] He was a very eccentric character Jonathan Bowden! You wondered where he came from! He was like a visitor from another planet! [chuckling]

Horus: I think many people, …

Paul: I think he must have had a super intellect. I think he had a Mensa IQ, because his mine was just a treasury, you know. But tragically, 49 he died!

Simon: That kind that kind of brings us on, going through your history really. Because we’ve done the Tory Party, Conservative Party. Then you were a BNP member weren’t you? Obviously this is where you coincided with Jonathan Bowden. What year did you join the BMP?

Paul: Well, I had almost given up hope in 2001 after Labour got reelected and the Tories were going nowhere. And suddenly Nick Griffin emerged in Oldham. And had that famous election where he muted his own mouth, you know, he put a thing around his mouth. And then I thought there’s some hope here! That Briton, there’s still some hope.

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And then in 2002, they won some council seats in Burnley. I mean, it’s very hard to win elections in Britain, because they’re all first past the post, of course. And that’s when I joined. I thought, I’ve gotta get involved with this. Because I had boxed at Cambridge and so had Nick, so we had that connection. So I thought, I want to get behind him and make what contribution I can. What a fantastic journey that was! I was in it for 10 years. And the BNP was a tragedy when it collapsed! But for 10 years it was rockin, you know.

Simon: And this is the kind of, … I suppose this is really, you mentioned that you are aware of the Islamification of Britain previously. But this is one of the great misnomers isn’t it? That it was the EDL that revealed the grooming gangs and what was happening in the north of England. But, in fact, it was many, perhaps what, 2005, 2006 it was the BNP that were talking about this, even that early on.

Paul: Well the truth is, a lot of people were aware of what these Pakistanis were up to, these Pakistani grooming gangs. And they were basically fishing for our kids! You know, driving around in cars and they’re getting to know the young girls, and grooming them, and turning then into heroin addicts and prostitutes! And people would irate about this! But, the police wouldn’t listen to any complaints! The police were totally doing the Labour Party’s bidding! And the media wouldn’t listen to it. And ordinary people couldn’t make an impact on this situation.

But the BNP, because they were so well organized and so motivated! And so effective as well! They were a very professional party the BNP. They started to rattle the police and the media. And they started to a real campaign against these grooming gangs, especially in places like Keithley in Burnley. And they started to win council seats in these area. So they had political representatives you could speak out on behalf of these girls who were being groomed.

And we got a crescendo going! We got a movement going! And that’s when I saw the anti-democratic nature of the British State. The police came down on us like a ton of bricks! I mean, members of the BNP were beaten up by operatives of the state. People started to have their bank accounts closed, and then the arrests began.

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And the arrested both Nick Griffin and Mark Collett. He was there right at the hub of it. And they went to court in Leeds, I think it was, 2005. And it become a big national case! And that was really when the whole nation became aware of what was going on with these grooming gangs. So yeah, I mean, EDL picked it up. But it was the BNP who led the fight back. The BNP were brilliant mobilizing working-class communities in the north of England, and the Midlands. And in London as well. And winning elections! I mean, they won over a hundred council seats! They won county council seats. And then eventually, of course, they won MEPs. [Member of the European Parliament]

But that was a danger then, because the establishment were fully mobilize against us. I mean, with a big organization we had maybe 17, 18 thousand members, official members. We had tens of thousands of non-official members. We would hold up meetings in Liverpool, 150 people would turn up!

I mean, I remember speaking at Lee in Lancashire, and there was over two hundred people in this pub listening to the speech. And this was a heartland of the Labour Party. Labor had held this seat since the First World War. And we were mobilizing the people of Lee behind us. But the Labour Party managed to thwart us from winning that seat. But Lee just voted Tory and I think we put down roots there in our campaigns in that decade between 2000, 2010, which have finally come to fruition now.

And the BNP, the fact that it collapsed so quickly was a tragedy. Because we used to have red White and blue, we’d have this summer fete, you know, where people come from all over the country. And we did can with the English people! It was the first time since 1976 when the National Front swept this nation, that we saw a nationalist movement sweep this nation! Because when Griffin won a seat in 2009 in the European elections, I can remember people coming to Liverpool town centre to party! Ordinary, working-class people. At last we had a voice, but tragically it collapsed very quickly.

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Horus: Do you attribute the collapse largely to the activities of the state? Or to several different things, or what?

Paul: The state turned the screw, but Griffin played the wrong game. Instead of bending slightly, … I mean, when a strong wind comes, a tree must bend, or it will break. He should have bent. He refused to allow ethnic minorities into the party. And he actually went to court to defend that. And he wasn’t gonna win that case!

And the British people, I mean, they didn’t want the full board of nationalism. But they were keen on the policies we were offering, and they were keen on a lot of the solutions we were offering. And we had that support! We had we started to touch people’s hearts. It was fantastic to see! I mean, I saw in Liverpool. We got six thousand votes in Liverpool, you know, which had been a Left wing city for a long time.

And we would go round with a trailer, a jeep with a trailer behind, with the BNP on, and we’d blast our music, and the people would come out to the houses to buy newspapers off us and stuff. We were really impacting this nation. Well, I think Obama’s victory in 2008, was very much a check on us, because the Americans wanted us killed off as well. And they had the deep state, the British deep state began to work against us. And, as I say, we don’t live in a democratic society.

I can remember having pub meetings where there’d be 30, 40, 50 people just turned up to hear a few speeches, have a drink, socialize. The police would raid it! Like we were involved in a criminal activity! They would threaten the landlord, who would eject us from the pub! It was criminal activity by the state! And I began to think, the British state was acting like an East European communist state. It was really scary stuff.

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And that they saw us as a threat. And. I don’t think the time was quite right for us to achieve much more to be honest. We passed the baton on to UKIP. And they got us out of the EU. But we’ve lost a lot of the nationalist sort of ideology, and we need to rekindle a nationalist movement in Britain. It’s desperate now! We really do.

Simon: Sorry. Go ahead.

Horus: No, go ahead Simon.

Simon: Because then you ended up leaving the BNP, didn’t you? And you joined UKIP, was it with UKIP was that the first time you stood for political office?

Paul: No. I stood for the English Democrats initially. And I did well in Liverpool. And I had a good campaign and UKIP noticed this. And they approached me and said:

“Look, why don’t you stand for us? You can stand there in Liverpool for UKIP. We’ve got a bigger platform than the English Democrats and we will support you.”

But then UKIP began to come under pressure for accepting exBNP people. And Farage panicked. You know, the media were threatening to sort of start to denigrate him and accuse him of being a fascist, and so on. He panicked and said:

“No we’ve got to get the BNP out the party!”

So I was told that I couldn’t stand as mayor for Liverpool for UKIP. So I stood for the English Democrats, instead. And I got 7,000 votes for Police Commissioner, which was quite a decent vote for Liverpool.

Simon: So, how long were you with the English Democrats? A lot of the press you get in Liverpool, is from that period, isn’t, I’m guessing?

Paul: Well I was arrested. I was arrested twice. And they were big court cases. Once I went into a police station and said:

“What’s the flag above the police station? Where’s the Union flag?”

He said:

“Oh. This is a gay flag!”

It was the gay rainbow flag. And I said:

“I don’t think that is right, flying that above a police station!”

But they arrested me and charged me with homophobia! And it become a big case! It got national attention! And Eric Pickles* had to make the gay flag an official police flag, because I counter-attacked, and charged the police flying this flag illegally, which they were.

[* Pickles was the Chairman of the Conservative Party from 2009 to 2010 and is currently the chairman of Conservative Friends of Israel. He is the United Kingdom Special Envoy for post-Holocaust issues, being appointed in 2015.]

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You need special permission to fly a non-official flag above a police station. They didn’t have it! And had them on the run, the police. So that become a big case in Liverpool. That got me a lot of attention. But I stood for the mayor twice, and I crossed swords with their Joe Anderson, who’s the Liberal mayor in the debates. And I really put him in his place! And I got a lot of a attention.

Simon: Horus?

Horus: Eric Pickles is, even by Tory standards, an outstandingly contemptible prat! [chuckling] Oh God!

I was just I was quite stirred by what you said about the BNP. Like how well things were going for a while. And you said we need now, like something, I don’t know what was the term you used was, but something to spark off that kind of excitement again. Do you feel, …

Paul: A nationalist revival.

Horus: Yeah. I mean, did you see, …

Paul: Well, it’s happening in Europe! I mean, it’s happening in Italy would Salvini, before, you know, the coronavirus episode. And the brothers of Italy. It’s obviously, it’s had its day in France with Marine Le Pen. And then Simon must know about the Vox Party in Spain. Their recent performance has been astonishing in Spanish elections.

Simon: Yeah, very much.

Paul: I think there’s an appetite there! There’s an appetite there for a patriotic force, you know. But you are going to have to battle against the state!

Horus: Yeah.

Paul: What is really positive at the moment, is that the Left are totally demoralized! They’ve lost so many elections! They’ve been pushed out of power. And they don’t seem to have the will now to resist us.

I think if we moved up a gear. I mean, but I could see what Paul Golding and Britain first, … I mean, Paul Golding is an amazing political activist! He can create big things out to nothing! He have three million followers on Facebook. I mean, he had a campaign in Northern Ireland recently, it’s only exploded out of nowhere! But the state come down on him like a ton of bricks! They persecuted him. This is the problem, the deep state now. They are thwarting democratic activity in Britain. It’s very sinister!

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Horus: Simon didn’t you put in the show notes for tonight’s show something saying like when we’re talking about persecution of say Paul Golding, or Tommy Robinson. We need to generally back each other across the dividing lines of our movements. Was that your words, or were you quoting Paul there?

Simon: I can’t remember what I said. When I put these show notes together I kind of cut and paste from lots of places. It’s definitely my sentiment. I think it’s a very important thing. Broadly we need to be supporting people.

Horus: I think the powers will be turning against all of us, obviously.

Simon: Yeah. And one of the important things about speaking to Paul, I think, you know, once we kind of realized that it was a good vibe, then a couple of weeks ago I said to Paul:

“Why don’t we talk about nationalism via email?”

So we’ve exchanged a few emails. And we seem to be more, or less in the same place. So it makes a lot of sense for all of us to know that we are working towards similar objectives. And broadly giving support to people when they come into trouble, I think.

Paul: Well the likes of Tommy and Paul Golding. I mean, Paul Golding’s been arrested more than ten times! And he’s been incarcerated. And he’s been fined. And he’s had this bank account closed so many times. I mean, not being arrested three times. And each time I’ve been vindicated! I’ve turned the tables on the police. I’ve actually prosecuted the police! Because if you get to know the legal system, you begin to realize that they just ride roughshod over the laws of this country! They think they can do what they want, the police.

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Now the thing is with my prosecutions of the police, they went a long way, but they weren’t successful. Because when it looks like you’re going to defeat the police, the Crown Prosecution Service takes over the case, and closes it! You cannot defeat the police! It’s Orwellian what they have done to our state!

But yeah, this could be the problem for nationalist parties in the future. That they’ll use legal means to try and thwart us at every turn. I mean, Tony Blair introduced in 1998 “hate crimes”, you know, this novel idea that’s what you think could now be criminalized. And since then there’s been a whole series of laws which have limited how we can express ourselves. And even our freedom of assembly.

I mean, I was prosecuted in Northern Ireland, virtually for nothing! I made a speech which was pretty, you know, it was a very moderate speech, deliberately so. It was outside the City Hall in Belfast. And I realized it was a dangerous place to make the speech. I didn’t want to promote the authorities there. I made a very moderate speech and then three months later my house was raided by the police! And I was dragged to Northern Ireland to face a criminal prosecution! Which went on for two years! They got me involved in a criminal case which lasted two years, just to thwarth my political activity. This is how the State now operates in Britain! It’s deeply disturbing! It’s deeply undemocratic!

I mean, we’ve got Trump taken on the deep state in America. I’m hoping that if he gets reelected and he cleanses that state, and gets rid of all these sort of the globalist operatives. And that would come over here and Trump will say:

“Clean up your act in Britain and let democracy go forth.”

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Simon: I think it was just a bit, … Excuse me. But I think you’re a bit optimistic about Trump. I mean, Trump has been in office for four years, and he really hasn’t built the wall. He hasn’t cleaned the swamp. You can see from the Epstein death that the swamp hasn’t been cleaned at all. They’re still, you know, sliming about all over the place.

Really what makes you think that if he gets in again, isn’t he just going to be kind of treading water and running out his term? And a little bit like the Tories. Yes, he dog whistles to nationalism, which is why he’s not liked. But when it really comes down to its he actually doesn’t do very much. And it by the same token Boris Johnson isn’t gonna do very much. Boris Johnson, the Left call him a fascist and a Nazi, but in reality these people are pretty much as globalist as anybody else. They just come out with the nationalist rhetoric.

Paul: I think Johnson’s a comedian like figure. He judges the environment and he fits in with it. If Trump can get reelected and pursue a truly nationalistic agenda in America, I think Johnson will follow that lead. But the thing is with Trump, Trump is a miracle! He came from nowhere! The globalist had taken over America. I mean, John Brennan and Comey, the head of the CIA, and FBI. John Brennan was a communist, an Islamic convert. I mean, Comey is just a liberal Lefty. And the Left had taken over the media in America. It was taking over the State, it was taking over a lot of the State governments, it was controlling Congress. It looked like America was lost!

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I remember Jonathan Bowden said:

“America was gonna go down first and we’ll follow!”

But Trump came from nowhere and he mobilized the American patriotic spirit! And he’s faced horrendous opposition! I mean, judicial opposition initially. Everything he tried to do was blocked in the courts. He had to get the Supreme Court appointments, which enabled them to free up a lot of his movements. And then, of course, he lost the House of Representatives in the midterms, which thwarted a lot of his economic agenda.

But he got a big tax cut through. The wall is being built. I don’t know how much of it as being built! I don’t know how much of it is being built but it certainly is being built. He has certainly cut down massively on immigration into America. I mean, it was when these big trains going up through Mexico, in managed to tear them back. It’s almost miraculous! But he’s changed the culture of America’s! He polarized America!

And he’s mobilized the patriots to fight back against the Left. They were demoralized, the patriots. He mobilized them and he’s built up this alternative media. And there’s a big body of people now in America, he’s got maybe 60, 65 million people in the Trump train, who are ready to fight for America, and a patriots in America, against the Left. And it’s the first time in decades that the Left has really been put on the back foot. So given the opposition that he faced, I’m really impressed with what Trump achieved.

Simon: I would say, but he hasn’t turned around the demographics! The demographics are, you know, the original, or the original colonists, the White European colonists of America have been given a little bit of leeway, perhaps a little bit of extra time, but ultimately America is going to fall. This has got to be turned around. The person that we had on last week Gavin Boby, one of the expressions that I’ve always learned from him regarding immigration and demographics, he always used to sayc, or I think he still does say:

“Slow the tide, stop the tide, turn the tide!”

And really with this issue — I don’t know if you were aware — but here in Britain in 2066 the indigenous Britons are no longer going to be a majority in this country. Now these things have significant effects on the culture.

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Paul: I think it’s going to be long before 2066! I think we’ve got, at the most, 15 years, realistically. Because the under forties group, it’s almost 25 percent now. I mean, what gives us this big advantage demographically, is the over 70s but the over 70s are going to die off very quickly.

And yeah Trump, … I like that expression of stopping and slowing down and turning around, because we were in a ship that was going the wrong way, we’re heading to the rocks, we were heading for national disaster! And these people at the top — the Merkels, the Clintons — this is exactly what they wanted, which is really disturbing!

But Trump got control of the ship, become the pilot, and he’s slowed it down as it’s heading to the rocks. And I think he started to turn around. It’s a process, it’s gonna take time. But I think Trump’s heart in the right place.

Trump has not come from a globalist perspective. He was in the Reform Party with Ross Perot. He’s always been on the fringe of American politics. Trump’s father was accused to be in a member of the Ku Klux Klan and Trump was a huge admirer of his father. I think Trump’s heart is much more aligned and nationalist than people actually give him credit. Dont know if you agree with that?

Simon: Yeah, Horus? Sorry I was switching my mic on. Any thoughts on this? I’m much less optimistic about Trump. I think Trump is a good optics. Trump looks good but, you know, he had John Bolton in his, … He’s controlled! He’s not free to act. His heart might be in the right place, but I’ve not seen enough action. I’m sorry Paul. Horus. What do you think?

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Horus: I like Paul’s optimism. I would love to see Trump do radical, sort of deep state, swamp draining in the second term. But yeah, it doesn’t seem at all likely to me. My impression is that Trump is maybe completely compromised by Israel. I’m not sure, but maybe via Epstein? Epstein. I’m not sure. Like the zionist control of the US to me, just seems almost total! And I reckon Trump might be just one of their instruments. Maybe almost every President candidate is? I’m not sure.

Paul: I think Trump’s boxing very clever with the jewish lobby in America! Because he’s split them. I mean, 80% of the jews vote Democrat, and the left-leaning, the ultra globalist. But there is 20% of them there that are conservative leaning. And he’s managed to bring them on board. Because if Trump had gone totally against the jewish lobby he would have been totally destroyed.

I mean, when Obama was re-elected in 2012, the jews in America was saying:

“We’ve taken over America! We’re the ruling elite now!”

They were actually saying that explicitly. So when Trump won and threw Clinton off in 2016, they were very annoyed about that. And they had the power to bring Trump down

He had to win a slice of their support, and he managed to do that. And the way he’s done it is linking up with Likud and the ultra zionists in Israel. But and putting them against the Liberals in America.

Don’t forget the people who are really opposing Trump — Soros, Schumer, Shiff, [word unclear] — they’re all New York jews, you know. They’re all incredibly wealthy people on Wall Street. And they’ve got a heck of a lot of clout!

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So to counteract that, he’s had to bring other jews on board who will defend him. But what really matters to me about Trump is that he is coming in from the West to save Europe. From the East we got Vladamir Putin. And I see Trump and Putin as very, almost like coworkers in throwing off the globalist control of the world. Because Putin, he’s so important to us, because he’s re-Christianized Russia, and he’s revived Russian nationalism, and he’s revived traditionalism in Russia. Russia has got no toleration of the homosexual agenda, they’re stopping abortions now in Russia. Starting to see an increase in the birthrate in Russia for the first time in a long time.

And this is what we need. And this has fed into Poland. It’s fed into Hungary. So it’s coming in from the East. Trump from the West. And we’re seeing the emergence of all these nationalist figures in Europe like Salvini, Thierry Baudet in the Netherlands. Vlaams Belang in Belgium, you know, Santiago Pascal in Spain. Marine Le Pen is going in France.

And so there’s hope! There’s hope! These figures are emerging, and they’re very significant figures. And they’re there and at every point they can challenge the globalists. And we need this international wave, we need this international alliance of nationalists! I mean, you can go extra-Europe, you can go to Abe in Japan, you can go to Duarte in the Philippines. And, of course, very importantly Modi in India! The Indian nationalists, especially in the fight back against Islam.

And there’s a new dialectic in the world now. It used to be Left against Right, freedom against communism. Now it’s nationalism against globalism!

And we’re not coming from a position of weakness. We might be doing so in Britain, itself, although we hope it can come back and change. But globally the nationalist forces are becoming stronger and stronger!

And so we can be optimistic that we can actually win this battle! And that’s really since 2016, since Trump’s election. And I think we can feel that. We can actually overcome globalism!

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Horus: Which side is Jerusalem on?

Paul: Jerusalem is always on all sides! [chuckling] [words unclear] there’s a [word unclear] in both camps. [loud laughter]

Simon: Yeah I mean, I think we’re quite optimistic about the future, Horus and I. We’re not directly involved, but we’re kind of loosely associated with Patrick Alternative. And I particularly think that after the last election through the “Red wall” voting Tory leaves a massive opening for nationalists, because that these aren’t loyal Tory voters.

We need to have a nationalist party with a working class ethic that will appeal to people who are patriotic and socially conservative. But also want their concerns dealt with. You know, they want hospitals, they want a decent welfare system. And I think their concerns about the demographics, and things like rape gangs, being taken very seriously. So we’re faced with a massive opportunity now. Which I think to a certain extent has been delayed by Brexit.

I don’t think anybody could think about anything else. Unfortunately now we’ve got the coronavirus. But, assuming Brexit does happen, the fact that Brexit has happened it gives normal politics a chance to kick back in. And it’s an opening for the various nationalist, populist, and patriotic groups that existed in Britain today.

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Paul: I think we’ve got to make immigration, the big issue now. And then the consequences of what immigration, … We need to bring up this notion of we’re being replaced. Our cities are being altered out of all recognition. And we are in danger here! It’s happening far too quickly. And since 1997, we’ve allowed 10 million immigrants into Britain! And that’s a threat to our very existence! It’s an existential threat here!

This is [word unclear] of Britain. And we’ve got to rally people around that point. I mean, the hope was that the Conservatives were pickle this issue of immigration, and run with it and start to take action. But they were dragging the feet even before the coronavirus. They were talking good, but they actually done very little! And we’ve got to apply pressure! We’ve got to seize political power, or apply pressure on the Conservatives to stop immigration. Because we’ve got control of our borders again, this what leaving the European Union was all about. It was all about immigration! I know sovereignty is an important issue, but it was people who realized that we were being overrun.

And there is a constituency out there. That is the seventeen and a half million people who voted to leave! The old Labour constituencies which have turned to the Conservatives, the White working-class, know that the Labour Party doesn’t want to represent them! The Labour Party’s become the party of the fringes, the margins, the immigrants, the public sector. And there’s a massive opening there! There’s a gap! There’s a big gap in the political life of Britain that needs to be filled.

Horus: With Brexit it was very, very, annoying that it took three and a half years to actually get done. And we’re still not properly, until the end of this year and then possibly some extension of that, but once we are fully out of Brexit that excuse for the Tories is now stripped away, and they are exposed! It is then clearly them who are replacing us with Somalians, and Afghans, and so on! And they will have no excuse anymore.

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So, I agree with what you said. Like we’ve gotta get immigration and demographics on the agenda. And in my opinion the key thing along with that is to emphasize that it is the Tories doing it. Because I think our hope lies in essentially destroying —. And this is just a monumental task — but destroying the Tory Party!

And one good thing is that with Corbyn gone, it’s harder for Tory voters to sort of excuse themselves from switching away from the Tories, because they feel they betrayed them, by threatening themselves, or the rest of us with Corbyn. Because Keir Starmer is simply a less frightening figure. I mean, it’s still bloody awful, but like Corbyn was like a bogey figure! They could tell themselves:

“Now is not the time to switch away from the Tories, because I risk a Corbyn government.”

But whereas a Keir Starmer government sounds so much more moderate, whether it is, or not, fuck knows!

Paul: For me, Labor’s got off the edge of the cliff now! It’s totally anti British, anti-White, anti-Christian. I mean, it’s brought into this “woke” agenda completely! It’s not interested in the ordinary people of Britain anymore. And, because of that, for me, it’s no longer relevant in the situation.

Now the Tory party itself, is a very cagey institution. And it’s all about power! The Conservatives is the oldest political party in the world. It’s being in power most imposed of our last 200 years. And what they doing in the Tories, it’s very clever. They’re splitting the immigrants, bringing the Hindus on board, they’re bringing the jews on board, they’re bringing the Chinese on board. And they’re making the sort of Muslims, and the black inner cities, the black working class, they’re making them Labour’s constituency. And that’s how Boris got elected in Uxbridge. And that’s how they’re working this whole sort of demographic change now. And so, they’re always clever the Conservatives. They always know how to manipulate the situation.

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But if we want Britain to survive, and for the true British people, the ethnic British, to prosper in the future, that’s an agenda that we can buy into. We need the British, the ethnic British have a voice again in this country. This is what’s really tragic is that, certainly since Blair, the only time we’ve ever really had a voice is through the BNP. A little bit under UKIP. But we’re almost excluded from the political process, the ethnic British. And we need to rebel against this! We can’t accept I! Because it will lead to disaster!

Simon: Yes, precisely. Sorry Horus.

Horus: It’s just gonna take serious, determined, organization, and a lot of intelligence, some luck, and a lot of [word unclear]. Yeah, like what you said before they’re gonna use all the legal means, you know, lawfare and stuff. Our movement is gonna need lawyers, apart from anything else.

And I had a conversation with a guy from Manchester, called Phil. It’s on my channel if anyone wants to watch it. And one thing that came out of that conversation, we agreed that, yeah, we’re taking on the state, not just, you know, political parties!

And I think attacking this state, has to be a part of our strategy. Taking legal action against them, wherever we can. Because one good thing is that I’ve seen two YouTube channels recently, just in the last couple of weeks, saying, they are going to do exactly that. One’s called Crime Bodge. I don’t think he’s a political guy, I don’t know, he’s always going on about police corruption, police malpractice.

He says he’s gonna start taking legal action against police in Rotherham over the rape scandal. It’s very encouraging and I would encourage people to check that out. Another one’s called Not-So-Obvious. He’s making some big documentary, or series, about the rape gangs, trying to bring all the information together. And this is all about just saying:

“Well we don’t care whether it’s Labour, or whatever, it’s about whoever is allowing these networks of foreign men of rape British children!”

The people allowing that are criminals themselves! And they have to be taken down! And I see some sort of increasing focus and determination on, you know, [words unclear] we are responsible for this, we’re gonna get them! And I think that’s really encouraging, and to be encouraged as well! So I like that.

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Simon: Okay, let’s do a few questions and superchats. We’ve only got one superchat so far tonight. It’s from the fantastic Thin Red Line, who sends ten US dollars and says:

“Great stream very interesting! Paul Rimmer, …”

This is a slightly tongue it tongue in cheek question for Paul, but it takes us into interesting territory. The Thin Red Line asks:

“Paul Rimmer, will you join Patriotic Alternative?”

Paul: I believe we need nationalist unity in Britain, I mean, there’s a heck of a lot of talent out there. I mean, Horus has just talked about legal minds. But it needs a leader! Someone’s got to emerge to lead the nationalist movement. Mark Collett’s a very charismatic guy. He’s very intelligent. He’s very capable. If he could just drop his baggage, or turn against, it he could be a very effective leader.

Paul Golding is an immensely capable political activist! He can make things happen! He could be an effective leader. Again, he’s got problems, because he’s a got a criminal record. The state has persecuted him for so long.

But I almost go back to Enoch Powell. Enoch Powell came out of the establishment and created the earthquake. I mean, in 1968 80% of the British people backed Powell. They backed Enoch Powell. But he didn’t have a political party to take power.

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When Boris Johnson came out to the establishment and fought for Brexit, it was successful. It’s sort of, I’ve got to believe that there’s somebody there in that mix, in that establishment who is a genuine patriot! A genuine nationalist who wants to preserve the British nation. Who wants the British people to survive. And we’ve got to hope that somebody does emerge as a leader. And the Patriotic Alternative, I mean, Ralph is a fantastic guy! He’s very inspirational. And he’s got great insight. And I’m learning a lot from Ralph from studying his ideas.

And the Patriotic Alternative is going places, it’s dynamic! But it needs to fit in with the nationalist wave, internationally, because you should be inspired by what’s happening across Europe and across the world with the nationalist movements. This is our hope. We get inspiration from that. And we get resources from that as well, and support. So I think we can be optimistic. And the Patriotic Alternative is part of the nationalist sort of resurgence in this country. Why not join it?

Simon: Yeah. I think what’s important is that we don’t counter signal each other. I know you’re pretty close to Britain, First. I’ll put this up on the screen now just to emphasize the point that you’ll be speaking along with Paul Golding and Tommy Robinson. Who we might touch on the issue of Tommy Robinson, who we tend to be more critical of but the good thing about Paul Golding is he doesn’t counter signal.

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And yeah, both Horus and I are close to the Patriotic Alternative group, part of the general group. But one of our interests in speaking to you Paul is precisely this. That I felt that you would be the kind of person with whom we can build these kind of bridges. We need to be building bridges between these different groups, because we can’t be running around calling each other fascists, and Nazis, as we’ve been called recently. Because, you know, that’s behaving like the Left in our opinion.

Paul: We will all be called fascists, and Nazis, by the Left, anyway. Doesn’t mean, you know, it doesn’t matter if you are the real McCoy, or you are just an impersonator, or you are just a patriot, they will use these negative terms against you. But I think they’ll losing their power, their potency. Nazism’s a long time ago! Second World War finished in 1945.

For me, it belongs to history, you know, it’s like Cromwell and Napoleon. It’s from the past. And we’ve got to look forward! We’ve got to save our country, for our future generations! And this is what Ralph keeps emphasizing. We’ve got to look to the future now and see the opportunities ahead. Let go of the past and focus on what we can do to save this nation.

Simon: Yeah, the problem is that some of the groups. And this is why I retain my admiration. I think Paul’s style is a little bit different from ours, because he’s often quite confrontational, which is probably the reason why well he gets into trouble, so often. But and Marie waters, for example, recently made a video basically telling lies! Saying that we’re racists. Using using words like “Nazi”, and that we want to round all black and brown people up and throw them out of the country.

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Which is a million miles from the truth! And I’m sorry for putting you on the spot here. But obviously I’ve done my research and I’ve seen that you’ve kind of given your support, or certainly did a video at a meeting with Anne Marie. And I find this kind of behavior, speaking honestly, reprehensible, because it’s not getting us anywhere really.

Paul: Well I’ve always regarded Anne Marie as an incredibly courageous woman! And I think her position on Islam is very strong. But I’ve actually pushed this said:

“What’s your ideology? You’ve come out of the Labour party, you’re anti-Islam, what’s your ideas for the future of Britain?”

And she won’t commit herself to anything. And I was very disappointed the way she attacked Patriotic Alternative, the language which she used, homophobic, misogynistic, fascist, racist! It was a tick list from the Social Justice Warriors! And that sort of exposed the heart of it. I was very disappointed in that.

I mean, there’s great people in For Britain. I mean, Eddie Butler was there, a lot of exBNP people. We need really to be part of the nationalist coalition to change this country round.

I mean For Britain, they’re using the electoral road, and they’re trying to create a shield, so they can’t be attacked. But I was really disappointed when she said those things. I just thought:

“No, I can’t buy that, I don’t go along with that. I’m sorry.”

That’s not the language I would use. That’s the language of the Left. That’s destructive! That’s negative! That is how the Left operates. It’s all about negativity and destruction.

We’ve got to recognize positives in all situations. We’ve got to see Patriotic Alternative, there’s a lot of very genuine, very worthwhile people in it. You can offer hope to this country.

Simon: Well this is what we think we are. [chuckling]

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Horus: This should probably go for all nationalists, like ninety, ninety-five percent of our time should be spent fighting our real enemies, our mutual enemies. And there are occasions when you’re gonna need to stand up for your movement, because you’ve been attacked by another one. And that Anne Marie Waters attack on PA the other week was one [words unclear] not that significant in my opinion. I mean, it’s just, because For Britain, you know, it’s not that big a deal. And also that actually I think gained us some supporters from For Britain as well. But the other incident was when Tommy Robinson’s channel last summer, just unprovoked, made a really vicious attack on Shazia Hobbs, Dionne Moller and Mark Collett.

And that triggered off a huge surge of people moving from sort of the general Counter Jihad perspective into proper ethnic nationalism. Which videos I’ve made since then have all been in designed to encourage. And I would just say, yeah on those occasions you’ve got to make clear right that we disagree with you there, and we’re not standing for that.

But, I think among PA guysc like some of us, you know, in recent months have got overly focused on the groups just adjacent to us in ideological terms. And like we spent so much time just trying to destroy every little remnant of idiocy among them. Mostly our fight should be against the people actually bringing in foreigners into the country. Which, you know, is not to be blamed on Tommy Robinson, or Britain, First. That’s being done by the politicians and by this civil service, and so on. So I’d say if we’re spending more than five percent of our time attacking other patriot nationalists type people, we’re getting it wrong, I think. There’s a small call for it, but that is about all.

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Simon: Yeah, I totally agree.

Paul: We need to campaign to win elections. We need an organization which is ready to fight elections and which can sort of persuade the British people that we are there to represent them. And get the British people involved in that organization. I mean, Britain, First has been thwarted a lot, because of the legal position. They’re not allowed to stand candidates at the moment, they’re trying to overcome that. But we need a political force.

And For Britain to their creditor, they’re the only people that are actually fighting elections from any sort of patriotic perspective. And we desperately need to fight elections, because then you do look outwards. Then you do connect with the people and you start to address people’s hearts. And realize we can’t be ahead of the British people, we’ve got to bring them with us, you know, in this crusade to save our nation.

Now Tommy Robinson is a folk hero in this country! I mean, he’s an incredibly brave guy. He’s been in prison. He’s been attacked and he stayed the course. He’s fought back! Now politically, he tried to get elected for the Northwest, he failed there. He needs to connect with a political party. Because he needs to have a real political ideology, and not just a Counter Jihad approach. So, maybe he is a work in progress, or maybe he’s not, but only time will tell.

Simon: Okay. Let me just do a few more, more superchats have come in this is great. Let’s have a look. We’ve got Jay Radio who says:

“Great show guys! Great to see discussion and cooperation. Collectivise to survive!”

Yes, we agree mate. And Steve Ben Bob, another three US dollars. And thanks very much Steve Ben Bob. Another regular contributor, says:

“Important discussion tonight we need more of them.”

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. And we need to be reaching out. And I really agree with what Horus has just said.

We need to be building bridges, and we need to identify who the real, .., or we need to be fighting against who the real enemy is! Which is primarily the Left and Islam. We can talk about this in broader terms and broader strategies, but the enemy is pretty visible. And we really ought not to be bickering amongst ourselves.

Horus: And find Eric Pickles as well! [laughter].

I was on them I was on a stream with Laura Towler the other night — Hail Laura! And I said on that, whatever differences I’ve got with For Britain, … I mean, I don’t share their zionist support for Israel and stuff, you know, things like that. But all the same, if the next election comes around that I see, you know, fifty For Britain counselors have been elected, I’ll be delighted! Because that’s still progress! That’s still good. So I still see them as sort of brothers in the cause, really. We just got differences. But. We really need to spend very little time on the differences, right? Because we’re the task we face is so monumental anyway!

Paul: There’s so much great talent in the nationalist movement. If we pool our resources and get properly organized, and get a decent leader — it’s all big “ifs”, like. But if that happens, we could really impact this country again like we did during the BNP years.

I mean, we haven’t mentioned Nick Griffin tonight. He’s an interesting character in the background.

Simon: Yeah. Well Nick Griffin, I don’t know if you saw the interview we did with Nick Griffin three weeks ago? Very, very interesting. Quite strong differences of opinion, because Nick thinks and the basis of the difference of opinion is, Nick has given up on the electoral route. And he thinks we’re going to lose the electoral route. If it comes to a civil ethnic civil war, the indigenous people are also going to lose. So we ought to be going off into the country and creating, … Well I suppose this is an unkind and ungenerous summary of what he said. But we ought to be community building. And both Horus and my view of this is, of course, we need to community build!

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All the nationalist groups, patriotic groups, that were involved in, community building is part of this. But firstly we shouldn’t give up on the electoral route! And if things did —. And this is in the worst of circumstances — if things did come to violence, I think you need to be very careful about completely giving up on the indigenous people of these islands who are much better rooted much more capable of looking after themselves. Obviously it’s a scenario that we don’t want to play out.

But we’re not finished yet! We’re not finished until we’re finished! And there’s plenty of votes left in it in his first. And if that doesn’t work, there’s plenty of fight left in us, I think. And that was basically Nick’s view. Nick is taking a back seat, I think. I’d like to speak to him again in the future. But. I don’t think we can count on him. Certainly in the kind of projects we’re talking about.

Paul: He did sound very jaundiced and disillusioned Nick. But, I think he probably can be re-inspired again. I mean, hope for me, hope springs eternal. That’s what being a Christian is all about. Even the dead can be resurrected, you know. And I think there’s so much hope out there and optimism. And. I don’t think he’s reading the demographics correctly. We’re not finished yet. We’ve still got a couple of decades to save this country. I mean, Ralph’s emphasized that point. And we need to:

“Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead!”

That’s the cry of old Henry the V*. But we don’t give up! Griffin’s wrong about that. We need to keep fighting and winning this political battle.

[* Henry V, also called Henry of Monmouth, was King of England from 1413 until his death in 1422. Despite his relatively short reign, Henry’s outstanding military successes in the Hundred Years’ War against France made England one of the strongest military powers in Europe. Source: Wikipedia]

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Horus: If things descend into violence which I mean, there is likely that there’ll be some sort of communal violence in the decades to come. But I mean, he mentioned that, yeah, obviously like nationalism has in many cases been populated by like fat, drunken, middle-aged, men. And I think he’s leaving aside the fact that they’re also quite a lot of young men, who if things start dividing along such clear lines, you will see that there is talk, like a fighting quality amongst Englishmen. We have made fine warriors over the centuries. And often very fearsome, vicious warriors as well! Psychopathic warriors in some cases, in a good way.

Paul: The Celts and the Saxons have a great heritage of fighting warriors, you know. And that’s what nationalism is about! Reinvigorating that and bringing it back to life! It’s not just about winning elections, it’s about stirring the national spirit again. Reviving the British soul! Oswald Mosely used to talk about that a lot. It’s the soul of Britain! It’s the inner spirit that needs to be revived. And that’s what we’ve got to do! And we’re the only people who are going to do that. We’re the vanguard of that. We’re the people who’ve kept hold of that spirit, or found that again. We might have gone off to the Left but we come back to patriotism. And I believe there’s a lot of young people out there who can be revived again. That spirit can be stirred in them, and we reconnect with our past. The positive things that are our past. The strength of our past.

Simon: This is one of the great things about the atmosphere we’re moving in at the moment. I’ve just turned 60. So I’m definitely the old man of this. But there’s lots of guys moving in our circles. We’ve got a young lad who’s 15, plenty of guys in their early twenties. So it’s really positive. There’s young people who are getting involved in this. And before we move on I don’t want to do another superchat from Johnny Jay, who’s another regular contributor. Thank you very much. He sends 25 US dollars and he says:

“Great show lads! Paul my mum and dad were born in Walton. Ripon Street and Eaton Street. Is there any hope for Walton now? Like what you are saying about the Left being in disarray, they are. The government is too, e.g., the tweet from the health account from ethnicities and genders adversely affected by Covid ridiculed. Time to pounce!”

Did you get that Paul, or do you want me to repeat any of it?

Paul: No I got that, yeah, I mean, Walton, I grew up in Walton as a kid. I used to live in the shadow of Goodison Park, Everton Football Club. And it’s an old traditional scouse working-class community. It voted Tory for most of its history. I mean, the famous Lord Birkenhead, Frederick Smith, he was the MP for Walton. And this is great hope there! There’s great hope for the people. I know people in Walton, and I know even though they’ve sort of voted Labour of late, they are patriotic people. And they are strong people! They are very masculine as well! Very traditional people.

And one way, or another, we’re gonna stir the British people again. We’re not gonna go down without a fight! We’re going to stir the British people! Were not prepared to see this nation Islamized! We’re not prepared for the British people to be pushed aside!

There’s a glory in this nation. That is what Jonathan began used to speak about. The glory of Britain! And it’s there. It went over to the United States in a sense. And this is one of the great things about Donald Trump, his mother is Scottish! She’s got that Scottish grit about her! And we have got to revive that Britishness, that Scottishness, that scouseness! The old Cockneys of the East End, they were pushed out, we can’t allow this to continue!

We’ve got to value our head our heritage! Our working-class heritage! The common people, the yeomanry. You know, the men of oak who fought at the Battle of Trafalgar. The men who fought at Waterloo! The men who built the British Empire! He crossed the five continents and made Britain the supreme nation of the world! And English is the language of the world!

So much glory of this nation. And it comes from the common folk, the common man. Because we’re a great people, we’re a gifted people, and we were in line with God, and we were in line with what was right, and we’ve got to stir that again! We got to awaken the British spirit again!

Simon: Fantastic stuff! And another superchat from Serena JB. Thank you Serena, and that three 3 GB pounds:

“Very interesting show as always.”

And we’ve got a few questions as well that are unpaid, but we’re going to read them out anyway. Chaé Ragnarson has got the top one with two votes:

“How was, or what was the message the NF [National Front] gave to be able to draw in the following they began to amass during those times?”

You know, what was it about the NF that that attracted so many people back in the 1970s?

Paul: Well, it fed on Enoch Powell’s message, that we were bringing about our own downfall. That the funeral pyre was being built! And when it was going to be lit, this great nation is gonna be extinguished. And we all had a duty as Englishmen, as British people, to stop this happening! And people bought into that. People were very patriotic, it wasn’t long after the war. It was only like, 30 years, after the war. And it was that war generation was still around.

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But people still love this country! They love this island! I mean, it’s a beautiful place Britain! It’s got a fantastic history! And we’re all privileged to be British! I mean, Cecil Rhodes said:

“To be born British is to win first prize in the lottery of life!”

I mean, we passed the baton to America, and we’ve got the English-speaking world. But it’s still something of real value here. We have to rise for the challenge and defend it, and make Britain prosper again!

Simon: Okay, fantastic! And the second question from Chief Only Son Smith, who is definitely a gritty Scot, says:

“Bearing in mind the only enemy we really have is the White, smug, liberal, Libtard, normie, should we just double down on the bad optics and truth-telling, rather than grovel to these traitorous vermin? Discuss!”

So, I think he’s saying:

“Do we mind being called fascists?”

Paul: Well we don’t need, … These labels, they really should just fall away from us, because what we are is people who love our history, and our traditions, and other people going through the ages! Not just Britain, but part of Christendom. That’s really important. We fought in the Crusades to defeat Islam in the past. And that war against Islam started really in a 7th century and didn’t conclude until very recently! It went on for over a thousand years! You could say it ended at the gates of Vienna.

Simon: I think it still hasn’t concluded actually!

Paul: It’s rekindled hasn’t it. Now and we’ve got to rise to the challenge again. I think we’ve got to revive our churches. I’m really impressed the way Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church is reviving Russia. And you can see like Modi in India, Hinduism. He’s using religion to revive the nation. In Japan, Shintoism with Abe [Prime Minister]. And Viktor Orban, and in Poland, the Catholic Church is very conservative, very nationalistic. We need the churches, because we need the spiritual uplift as well.

We’ve got to realize that this is a spiritual battle were fighting. We’re not just fighting for our race and our history, were fighting for what is right and true! We’re fighting for what is decent, you know what is wholesome!

This is why our fight is against Cultural Marxism, as well as Islam, and as well as this globalist agenda. It’s a fight for what is worthwhile in life. This is about the purpose of our lives, to create a better future for our children. To value what we’ve received in the past, and to actually keep it strong in the present. This is the battle that were fighting. The spiritual battle! And we’ve got to revive the Christian spirit in Britain.

Simon: Yeah. I tend to agree. I’m so close to becoming a full Christian! I go to churches all the time — when the coronavirus doesn’t keep me at home! I’m kind of a massive fan of religious art, and wander around Catalonia, and all over Spain, actually. I love the architecture! I love everything about it! I love the way it makes me feel.

But there’s something very sad, is that religiosity, sadly, and I have to admit it, has been educated out of me! There’s a lot of time I kind of look around and like:

“Please! Please come and save me!”

I would really like it to happen, but it doesn’t seem to happen. But you’re completely right. You need to be fighting! We need to be poet warriors, fighting for a greater cause!

Paul: I like that!

Simon: That comes from the higher good really, I think.

Horus: Something we agreed on, … Oh sorry [interrupting Paul]. Just in the first few weeks of us doing this. I started doing this with Simon, what, last October sort of time. And within the first few weeks we sort of agreed on one particular point. That of a moral principle, I guess. Just that we believe in beauty, truth, and goodness, right? I mean, I’m not, I wouldn’t call myself a Christian. I did pray for the first one since I was a child earlier this year. And it was answered. I don’t know to whom exactly I was praying. But there was something happened, and I felt myself changing since.

So I’m beginning to agree with what you say about the spiritual cause. What never motivates me, is just when people say that we need to be spiritual, because it’s of utility to us. It has to be authentic, otherwise, it just seems like an imposition, if that makes sense. So that’s how it appears to me, anyway. But I’m speaking from a sort of atheist point of view.

But, you know, that has to be nurtured in the most, … I can’t even describe how it can be done! Like the nurturing of the spiritual side of the movement, if it presented to you as a matter of obligation, it’s very off-putting. This is how I find it anyway. But if it’s something that you actually, … I can’t finish off my thoughts, … That’s how I developed my thinking, is I can’t finish my sentence. [chuckling]

Paul: , you know what, we’re going through period of purification! And I see it mostly in Russian, the purifying. I mean, they got rid of communism. I mean, in the Ukraine alone they removed 5,000 statues of Lenin in Ukraine! I mean, millions of streets in Russia have been renamed! Places, artifacts have been removed!

The only thing they’ve left in the communist period it’s the war memorials. So it’s like a purification of the nation, going back to its heart, and it’s soul. Which is Russia, the Christian faith. But we need a purification in the churches as well in the West.

Pope Francis, the Jesuit Order, they were taken over by the Marxist in the 1960s. What should be a source of strength for us and the institution’s we can gather round, the Cultural Marxists have moved in and corrupted them! The Church of England has been really severely damaged! Maybe beyond redemption. Now this as part of the battle as well. Saving our culture, saving our spiritual life, saving our religious heritage! This is all its all part of the battle were fighting. It’s a much bigger battle just fighting for our race and our nation. It’s a battle really to save what is a glorious culture!

This is what Jonathan Bowden used to speak about. Something which it inspires us, and gives our life meaning, and gives us hope for the future. And something, which is worth fighting and dying for! This is what we’re losing in our culture. Now everything is losing it’s meaning, and it’s significance, and people are sort of apathetic.

That spirit that the British people could be stirred to actually fight to the death for something, this is what we had in the past! This is why we survived as a nation. Because don’t forget, Britain, the Spanish Armada came here, the French tried to destroy us, we had to fight across the five continents to establish our Empire. We had that inner zeal in us! You know, it’s really important! It’s like a force of life, and it’s a positive thing, it’s a positive energy! This is what we need in the nationalist movement. We need that vitality!

In the sense the National Front had in the 1970s, and the BNP had it between 2000 and 2010. And when you were part of it was so invigorating!

I remember going to like the Red, White, and Blues of the BNP and the atmosphere was electric! That sense of comradeship! Friendliness! Lifting each other up was amazing! It was like going back to a golden age Britain. And this is what the Left despise. They despise this collectivist spirit!

I mean, Simon talked about the NUM and stuff, they were Marxists and communists, but they did have, the has been lost in a sense, that working class community. That sense of solidarity. And it’s so important to make a nation strong and it came out of the churches in the past, and these are sources of energy for our people. These are sources of life, social reproduction. And they’re so important!

This is what Trump has brought back to America. When you see as rallies, you feel the energy of his rallies! They’re electric! And people are inspired by them! You have to raise people’s horizons! They have to see something beyond themselves, the bigger picture, that were not individuals just going through life, you know, struggling to get through each day, but we belong to a collective and ancient body.

Simon: Well, I think that is a great, … We have just come up to the two hours. I think that’s a great, an inspiring way to finish. It’s about the greater good. We have to collectivize. We talk a lot about collectivizing and re-racinating, about understanding who we are. And I don’t know what you think Paul. But I think this conversation has been really positive. It shows that people in this movement have plenty in common, and any minor differences that we have, can easily be overcome. And I think the audience should take that away as a really positive message.

Paul: Hear, hear! Thanks Simon! Thanks Horus! Appreciate it!

Simon: A pleasure having you on Paul. If you want to check out Paul’s YouTube channel. The link is in the description box.

Thanks for being here folks. I think it’s been a fantastic conversation. Look after yourselves, and we’ll see you all next week!

Paul: Bye!

Horus: Thank you Paul!

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Patriotic Weekly Review with The Iconoclast – Apr 29, 2020 — Transcript

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[In Patriotic Weekly Review number 51, Mark Collett and No White Guilt (Jason) chat with The Iconoclast (Dan) about current events and the nationalist movement. Overshadowed though, by a scandal involving Millennial Woes and his conduct with a woman, that has caused him to become unwelcome in the Patriotic Alternative movement.

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Patriotic Weekly Review

With The Iconoclast

Apr 29, 2020

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Episode 51 of Patriotic Weekly Review with special guest The Iconoclast as well as regular contributors No White Guilt and Dr Patrick Slattery.

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TRANSCRIPT

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[00:10]

Mark Collett: Hello everybody. And welcome to Patriotic Weekly Review episode number 51. We are here tonight with Dan the Iconoclast, and as always with our regular co-host Jason, No White Guilt. Now we are live on both YouTube and Radio Albion. Radio Albion is run by my good friend Sven Longshanks and you can check Radio Albion out for a range of different nationalist content 24/7. So if you are starved of good material to watch, or listen to, Radio Albion dot com is a great source of that material.

You can contribute to the show either financially, or by asking questions over on Entropy. The Entropy link is in the description of the show it is on Twitter is on Telegram and it is in the live chat. Now that is the way to ask questions. It is also the way to send donations. All donations are read out on the show and the best questions, the most voted questions are asked to the panel, or to the relevant person. Because Entropy runs as a meritocracy questions are voted on those that have voted up are asked. And the best questions and all superchats are read out every single week. If you want to contribute in other ways please use Bitcoin.

Now last week as many of you will be aware it was our anniversary show 50th anniversary we had the wonderful Dr. DD [David Duke] on! I’m not going to say his real name, because when you say his name the stream disappears! And as many of you will have realized last week we were probably the only stream I’ve ever seen to be put into limited state midstream without a single racial slur, or swear word being used. Now we muddled on through and we had record numbers on Entropy. We had record numbers of people chatting on Entropy. And it was a good show if any was a great show. Many people have written to me and said it was the best we’ve ever done. So thank you for those who did.

And if you want to see that show along with the full back catalogue they are all on BitChute. All of these shows moved to BitChute within 12 hours of being posted on YouTube. That’s very important, because that’s where my fallback catalog is.

And due to pressure I have now set up my own DLive accounts I am able to stream on DLive. And in the future not today, but in the future, I will be streaming to both YouTube, Radio Albion, and DLive, all at the same time. This will enable more people to watch and to watch free of any censorship, or hiccups with the stream, which I’m sure is completely “Cohencidental”, but happen rather regularly here on YouTube.

But if we ever had a great guest to follow up DD with, it is, of course, the Iconoclast! Who we will be introducing very soon.

Now many people in the chat are going to want me to talk about the “big issue”! And I’m not going to dodge talking about the big issue. I’m not gonna run away from talking about the big issue. And the big issue is, of course, the conduct and status of Colin Robertson, aka, Millennial Woes.

Now this is a very, very difficult issue to discuss. But it’s something we need to be very, very honest about. But I don’t want to keep repeating myself on this, or for anyone to miss this. So I am going to introduce Jason and Dan now, before we get on to this. So the chats filled up, and no one misses this, because I’m sure many people are going to be here for this.

So that’s a bit of a downer to start the show on something like this, but it needs to be discussed and we’re certainly not going to be running from it. We’re certainly not going to be brushing it under the carpet. And I’m certainly not going to be hiding from this particular issue!

But we’ll start with you my friend Jason. What have you up to this week? Who’s on Tap, and how have you been?

No White Guilt: I am always remarkable! I’m always doing well. Especially when serving White well being and being able to get shoulder to shoulder with the likes of you gentleman, Iconoclast, of course, the great Mark Collett, and all of the heroes in the live chat right now. I’ve already seen a slew of magnificent people. And we’re going to have a great show one way, or another.

And we’re going to have a great show on Tap, probably on Saturday. Don’t know exactly who’s gonna be on there yet. But if you’re looking for a great episode of Tap you can find it over on the gardening channel where Mark Collett appeared. And they immediately [05:01] gave a strike, you know, Mark’s talking about. All you gotta do is show up good bring DD, … I almost said it! [loud laughter] bring a certain name onto the show, and I think Mr Collett has achieved that that level of, shall we say, fame for us, infamy for the anti-White’s. Because he showed up, we didn’t do, or say anything to warrant any sort of strike. And yet immediately before the video had even processed the wonderful “lazy Susans” at YouTube sent me a message to tell me:

“You’ve got a strike! And you’re not allowed to stream anymore! You’re not allowed!”

So we are going to muddle through that. And we have a number of sources, and I’ll be posting those sources today. But a big welcome to Iconoclast! Great to see you brother and looking forward to the show today.

Mark Collett: Well it kind of seems fitting but for a show of this magnitude we have a guest of this magnitude. Dan the Iconoclast is Britain’s biggest ethno-nationalism YouTuber. He is a man that produces content which does the unbelievable, the unthinkable, it straddles the gap between intellectual ethnic nationalism and normies! His content reaches tens and tens of thousands of people. His channel has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. And, because of that he has been under relentless attack by the system. This is the greatest badge of honor and his impact on this movement has been huge! He’s red pilled hundreds of thousands. He has brought many, many people to streams like this and we all thank him.

He also an incredible magazine called the Iconoclast Magazine, because he realizes that the online world is one where we can disappear from. But the written word published in traditional fashion is much harder to squash. Harder to produce, but harder to squash! His work straddles multiple genres. He discusses multiple topics. And despite the relentless attacks against him he never ever bows his head.

He isn’t somebody that I have been in personal contact with for a huge amount of time. But the time I have been in contact with I’ve enjoyed every minute of it. And I’m proud to be able to call him a friend, and welcome into the show for the second time. This was going to be all about you tonight Dan! This was going to be all about YouTube censorship of your channel and your thoughts on the future of free speech.

But obviously we have another huge elephant in the room that we need to address. But before we do that please introduce yourself. Tell us where we can find you, how we can contribute your excellent work, and a little bit about your wonderful magazine.

Iconoclast: Well, thank you Mark. Nice to be here again. Hello to you as well Jason. And it’s been a while boys! Hello to everyone in the chart as well. Hope you’re having a wonderful night. You gave me a great intro on the previous PWR that I appeared on as well Mark, so I thank you twice for two great intros! You’re making me blush as I said, at the time on that stream as well.

I’m doing well mate. You can find all of my stuff at my YouTube channel for now, the Iconoclast. All of my links are usually posted in the description box with all my videos. BitChute and what-have-you, Telegram. And I’m doing well, glad to be here. I’ve just had a nice fat ribeye steak, which was cooked to perfection, if I do say so myself! And I’m ready to go, full of protein! So let’s get this show on the road, boys!

[08:24]

Mark Collett: That’s the best way to be my friend.

So, I was actually going to start with a joking intro today. I had a full joking intro written help for you. It was going to be far more humorous. But unfortunately the humor is somewhat being sucked out of us.

And we do have to discuss the big topic. Which is Millennial Woes, aka, Colin Robertson. Many of you will have seen Colin’s statement that was published sometime yesterday evening about his withdrawal from the nationalist movement. Some people will be talking about what this is in relation to and some people will have seen an awful amount of salacious gossip on Twitter, on other social networks, on Telegram. People will be wondering what is true, what is not. I have not seen it all. I do not know the truth of it all. I think few do.

And, at this point, rumor and fact, are becoming intertwined. People are speculating. And that is not for me to do. It is not for me to turn this show into EastEnders nationalism, and start speculating on different topics.

However, people who are extremely disingenuous are trying to solely link this entire mess with Patriotic Alternative. And my first thoughts on this are very clear. Colin Robertson’s involvement in the nationalist movement, long predates Patriotic Alternative, as do many of the allegations about him that are surfacing on social networks. Colin Robertson has indeed spoken as a guest speaker at two Patriotic Alternative conferences. However, he was never an official of the group. He was never considered to be an official of the group, or offered a role as an official of the group. Colin Robertson worked with Patriotic Alternative as a guest speaker, and promoted Patriotic Alternative in that capacity.

And I want to make this very clear. That is not something, which is out of the ordinary. Colin Robertson also spoke at Generation Identity meetings. He spoke at Traditional Britain, Group meetings. He spoke on the continent at Scandza Forums, at the Awakening Conference, and Erkenbrand. He also spoke over in America at Richard Spencer’s NPI event, and at Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance events. So to try and categorize him as just PA, as if he was only Patriotic Alternative, is something that people who are trying to attack myself, Laura and our organization are trying to do. That is completely and utterly false!

Colin has also been erroneously linked with myself and Laura, when our links are no greater than his links with numerous other people. Again Colin has been active in this movement for six years. And he has been linked with everyone. From Mike Enoch, Richard Spencer, and Greg Johnson, right through to Lauren Southern, Faith Goldy, and Sargon of Akkad, and Count Dankula. People who are not part of this movement. He is streamed with all of those mentioned, some of them regularly, and has been invited on their streams. He has also been involved with people like Brittany Pettibone and Martin Selma. And admittedly he was linked with myself and Laura Towler. But to try and categorize him as being solely linked with myself and Laura Towler to score political points, is absolutely erroneous!

What is happening here is a problem for our movement as a whole. Which Patriotic Alternative is part of but it is not simply a Patriotic Alternative problem. And to characterize it as such is absolutely false! And is being done by some as a form of personal attack. And I’m not gonna let that fly! We must discuss what’s happened, but we must be absolutely honest and absolutely forthright!

Now, there are numerous allegations that have been leveled at Colin. And one of those allegations relates to a woman who attended the last Patriotic Alternative conference. And he met at the Patriotic Alternative conference. However, again it is very, very important to point out that his first contact with her was not there, but online before the conference. It was not that he met her there. Again, this is being erroneously reported for reasons of point-scoring.

Now as all of you will know at Patriotic Alternative it is our only wish for our conferences and events to be absolutely safe and enjoyable experiences for all attendees, regardless of their age sex, or any other characteristic. And we will never compromise on that. And that is why we have taken the following actions.

Collin Robertson will no longer be invited to speak at Patriotic Alternative events. And he will no longer be welcome at Patriotic Alternative events in any capacity. We are taking all allegations made against him with a great deal of care. We’re taking them very, very seriously! And we have spoken to the girl in question, that has been mentioned. People who are saying that she is in some way underage, or that she has been groomed again, that is complete nonsense, absolute nonsense! But since this matter has come to light we have been in constant contact with her. We have fully supported her. And we [15:02] have taken great lengths to listen to her and to view the other allegations being made by different women.

And as, you know, recently I became a father myself to a little girl. And that has only increased my resolve in making sure that the women in Britain in our wider society are safe, but women at our events and our movement are always afforded the full respect that they deserve. And I’m not ever compromise on that!

There are many things said about other movements other political parties. And one of those things that is said is that the leaders of those movements, or the people who take responsibility, often refuse to take responsibility at times like this. They often refuse to take any responsibility. They attempt to cover things up. They attempt to silence victims. And they attempt to do what I would say was the wrong thing. And we’ve seen that in all walks of British life. We’ve seen that in politics, in social services, we’ve seen it from the police, we’ve seen it from local councils, we’ve seen from the BBC!

We will not be doing that! We intend to set a new, very high, standard of conduct, both in our personal lives, our public lives, and professionally! And we know that words are not enough. Actions are what counts. And if there’s one positive thing to come out of all of this, and I want to make this clear for once and for all, we will never tolerate anti-social behavior at our events from anyone connected to our movement, in any way! And that is our promise! And we will stick to that! And we will endeavour to maintain that high standard!

Our events have clear rules, clear conduct. And I want to clear codes of conduct. I want to make it very clear none of the allegations being made relate to anything that happened at any of our events. And those stating so erroneously, are doing so to score points! And they are people who are largely a faceless group on the internet that do not want to reveal who they are. And ironically often of the people saying the most cringeworthy and disgusting thing about women.

I think I’m obviously going to pass this to Jason and Dan to see if they want to say anything, but I hope that Patriotic Alternative will be followed by other groups in the movement, as a wider movement, by taking this principled stand on this issue. And I will obviously be open to questions about this particular topic.

I am NOT gonna hide from this. I haven’t hid from this in any way. I’ve come out this evening, I have opened the show with this very serious topic. I have tackled it head-on, and I will continue to tackle issues, or this particular issue in that manner, in an open and honest way. So I hope people appreciate that and I hope people will see through any lies being spread and I hope we can, after we discuss this topic, we can move on and discuss other important issues that are in the news cycle.

[18:40]

Jason is there anything that you have to say.

No White Guilt: Yes, regrettably. This is a it’s hard to put words to and I have to say I’m really hurt by the entire event, because Woes meant quite a bit time I think, certainly to Jared and I, since we met each other through Millennial. And a lot of people have been brought together by way of Millennial and the work that Millennial Woes has done.

And I think it’s important to focus on that as human beings we have weaknesses. We do terrible things sometimes we do wonderful things sometimes. And certainly when Woes was serving White well-being in a way that accorded with my morality he was doing something wonderful. And people come to White well-being they come to the service of our people and they [20:01] are looking for particularly when they come to go free, they’re looking for healing. They know that we are a movement of redemption. They know that failings and frailties and a past is going to be understood. And that will stumble on the way toward the mountains peak. But, of course, we say that you when you stumble you have to get back up and you have to continue moving toward that mountains peak.

Now there are certain things certainly that you can do and that can negate, nullify, the lead we give a person to improve and to reclaim their life and to redeem who and what they are. Because these first of all they we give that lead, we give that that room for improvement, because anti-Whiteism has made a mess of our lives as individuals. We come into this world, a world that is wrecked by anti-Whiteism, we are poisoned by mean pathogens. Many of us don’t know how to act like a man, how to act like a woman, how to act in society. A society that doesn’t know how to act.

And we’re seeing now with shut downs, the lock downs, people are fighting, people are getting arrested for just being home with the people they supposedly love. There’s an anticipation that there’s going to be a record number of divorces after the lock downs are finished, as opposed to a baby boom. Which would have happened at earlier periods in our peoples history, because the anti-White’s had not been able to destroy as much of our civilization, as much of our characters, as much of who we are, and what we believe we are supposed to aspire to be.

So we have all been damaged and we all do wrong. And yet there are some things that are unacceptable. And that is harming others. We have people who come to White well being, who come to go free, who are very vulnerable themselves. And they have, as I say, like even the predators they’re poisoned with mean pathogens. Some of them come with never knowing who their father, or mother was, or from physical emotional, or sexual abuse in their lives. We even have folks who have come over from making pornographic movies. Their lives weren’t perfect before they got into pornographic movies, as though that made anything any better.

And so it is with a great deal of empathy, empathy, for Woes that, I say that after these events he, without question, has to go. And he has to go from the community.

He’s chosen with these actions to put himself ahead of the rest of us. To open us to tarnishing by anti-White’s the same sort of salacious allegations that are made against every victim of anti-Whiteism. Now with some measure of evidence, or reportage. And my heart goes out to anyone who has been victimized. I think really all of us have been, but certainly the ones, or one who has been victimized in this event.

And I want to reiterate that the actions that Mark Collett is taking, the actions that Patriotic Alternative is taking, these actions are indicative these are the fruits of the kind of morality, the kind of character, the kind of virtue that we exemplify. Even when it is most painful to do so. It is not an easy thing to hear and to learn that someone that you’re friends with, that someone that has, as I say, so much, so many of us came together, because of the work of Woes, is to whatever degree responsible for some sort of victimization. It’s a very painful thing!

So I want you all to really try to, … And in all of those that you hear who were passing around disgusting rumors about these sorts of things, that mature men and women sat down when the test was put upon them and they passed that test. They did the right thing!

So, my hat’s off to Patriotic Alternative, and to Mark Collett, a real demonstration of what it is to be a leader in a time when there are very difficult challenges.

And I want to reassure everyone that this is always going to be the way we behave in the White positive sphere, at least this part of it. That we are not going to allow someone, no matter how popular, no matter how liked, as is the case in the Republicans and then the Democrats and all of these major parties across the West, we are not going to allow someone to prey upon vulnerable people. Young men, young women, people of any age, people who are vulnerable, because of any sort of circumstance in their life, we are not going to permit that at any point!

We are always going to protect the vulnerable in our community. And this is the evidence that even when it is a most painful thing to do, that we will do the right thing. Now I’ll pass it back.

Mark Collett: Well, thank you. Dan do you have any thoughts on this? Obviously you are aware of the situation. Would you like to add anything?

Iconoclast: I wouldn’t like to talk about Colin himself, because I don’t feel like it’s necessary now after all of that. I would like to talk about you though Mark. Because, I don’t think people realize in the comments section, or just in and around this scene, the amount of work in the amount of pressure that is put on you in this movement.

And I just want to say that for everybody who is who is watching, that Mark Collett is a decent man an honest man, and he handles these things with the utmost care. And I wouldn’t wish anyone, I mean, I really wouldn’t want my worst enemy to have to deal with the pressure that Mark Collett has to face in this movement on a daily basis! It’s really unbelievable at times! And I think I’ll just leave it at that.

I agree with what you say Mark and just well done to you for handling all of this and coming out and hitting it straight on really. Because you can’t let these things rumble under the surface and allow rumors and speculation to pick up speed and snowball into something that that is completely inaccurate.

So, well done for tackling this head-on and I think everyone appreciates the honesty. And that’s all I’ve got to say on this matter.

Mark Collett: Thank you, both of you, for your thoughts. And thank you Dan for such such kind words. I know that what’s happening now will be confusing to some in the chat. And other people will feel to a large degree hurt. People will feel upset. Some people will feel confused.

But I want to conclude this now. And I want people to understand that we deal with these things in the way we do, for the good of the movement, and to ensure that we are better than other movements. And so that we don’t end up slipping into a state where we become the things we hate. Because if we were to do that, if we were to become the things we hate, we would not only fail ourselves, we’d not only fail the wider movement, but we would also fail our people. And I strongly believe that this movement — not just Patriotic Alternative — but the wider nationalist movement is the only salvation for our people. And we cannot allow that to be destroyed, or be tainted.

So, you know, thank you for listening and let us move on to different topics. And as I said, if people have questions they can, of course, ask them through Entropy. They can, of course, ask them later in the show and we will address any further concerns, and be as candid as we are allowed to be.

So, without further ado, let us move on to the big news that is in the news cycle. And we will start by asking Dan. Have you ever cured anyone from Coronavirus by injecting them with disinfectant, or exposing them to high strength UV lights?

Iconoclast: No I haven’t! Is the answer to that question. You referring to Trump here in his press conference. The thing is, the problem with Trump right, I call him a “smart dumb person”, because obviously you’ve got to have a bit about you to get to where he is in life. But, you know, give him a microphone and sometimes you can just, … I mean, can someone please shut him up sometimes! , you know what I mean? I thought it was embarrassing. I couldn’t [30:02] help but laugh to be honest at that press conference. It did make me chuckle quite a bit. Maybe that’s bad, I don’t know.

But here’s the thing I mean, this coronavirus situation, it’s just spiraling out of control. And I’ve tried to actively disengage from the entire topic really because, you know what it’s like, you come online and some corner of the Internet saying this about it. Another corner is saying another thing. And I’m just sitting here in the middle thinking:

“Well I don’t really know what to think about this!”

I wrote an article for my magazine lately and I said, you know, sometimes I do fall victim to some wild conspiracy theories. Not that I believe them full-on. But they are attractive, and they are alluring and seductive at times.

And I don’t really know what to think about this entire thing… I don’t think it’s the apocalypse, but at the same time.. I don’t think it’s just the flu either. I think there’s a lot of problems going on.

This police state that we’re walking into. There’s a lot of fears about that especially with the actions of the police using drones to spy on dog walkers!

And I don’t know if you have read about this new act that think it’s been debated in Parliament, or talked about in British Parliament’s about “forced vaccinations”? I don’t know what that’s about! I don’t know if that’s true, or not! I saw it circulating on Telegram yesterday in various groups I’m involved with.

But the entire situation is so confusing that I genuinely don’t know what to think Mark! And I don’t know where we’re going. But I think a lot of people share a similar sentiment with me. That I don’t think things will ever get back to “normal”, quote, unquote. Whatever that entails is beyond me. But I think there’s a lot of problems coming our way especially with economics. For example, I think we’re moving towards digital currencies and the phasing out of cash, paper cash. That has big implications for a whole wide range of things.

I am aware I’m rambling, but yes, the Trump conference was very humorous I have to say! It was something I enjoyed laughing at this week, in otherwise quite a dour week! But yeah there you go. That’s my unfiltered thoughts for you.

Mark Collett: Well I’m pleased you brought up money, because money is something that obviously everybody wishes to acquire, they need in order to pay their mortgages, their bills, put food on the table.

What do you make of recent allegations that have started circling that the government is potentially going to levy every family in the UK and take a degree of their wealth? It’s gonna be called a national levy, in order to pay for the fallout of Covid 19. How do you think that would be received if it does happen? Could you see them ever doing it?

People like Peter Hitchens are talking about it. This isn’t something that is being just discussed by somebody like Alex Jones, who’s talking about people at Bohemian Grove coming up with it, or FEMA camps! This is actually been discussed by mainstream journalists. And they’re saying that this national I every will tax every family, a large portion of their savings, or even add to their mortgages in order to allow the government to recoup money needed to carry on bailing the country out!

Iconoclast: Yeah it’s very concerning. I think I read that yesterday on Telegram.. I don’t think that’ll go down very well.

But what you have to understand about this whole coronavirus crisis is it is putting all of us into debt, essentially! We are all in debt for something that none of us ever envisaged. None of us ever wanted. None of us ever welcomed. And if the government were to try and do that, and I’m not going to put it past them to be truthful with you. I’m not gonna put it past them whatsoever. I would like to think the response would be hostile towards it, because that is just such a breach of people’s individual sovereignty really, and in people’s rights to get ahead in life. And I certainly will not be happy if the government dips their grubby little hand into my bank account. I don’t have much money anyway — for starters — to pay for something that they helped facilitate!

I mean, let’s not forget that the reason why, … Let’s just take it all at face value and say that this virus is a serious thing. You know, let’s not forget that the system of globalization that we all exist under, the system that the government perpetrates, the system that the government props up that has welcomed this virus into our lives! That has accelerated the spread of this virus!

And essentially we’re going to be paying for the government’s mistakes. And for the West’s mistakes as a whole. Because this is a worldview that we unfortunately are slaves to in the West. Globalism is just opening the door for things like this.

And after coronavirus is done, we can’t rest safely and securely in our beds because, you know, 10 years down the line something else is [35:01] going to come along. It’s just the nature of things, unless things change and at the moment, I hate to be pessimistic. But.. I don’t think things are going to change in our favor right now from what I’m seeing.

So yes, so we’ve just been thrown into this debt that we never wanted, we never asked for, and it’s a bad situation. And this comes in with the digital currencies as well, the digital assets that I think are really accelerating behind the scenes. The US government was talking about a digital dollar note, not that long ago. And those conversations are happening quite out front and center and I think people need to be worried about this and I’m very concerned about it as the days go by, I’m getting more and more concerned.

So yeah.. I don’t think that people will take too kindly to that. But on the flip side, you know, people do stand outside their doors and clap the NHS when they’re told to, don’t they? So who knows what the British public will deal with? It’s hard to say. I think it will be a split down the middle 50/50. Maybe some will be like:

“Yes, I will help pay for this.”

I was speculating on a stream recently that, because of all the news, you know, you’ve seen it around where the corona virus affects the black and ethnic minority community worse than everyone else! And, of course, they’re linking it to inequality and racism. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the government set up an official funding body, or something like that, where the British are taxed money, and the money is put into something like this to help fight diseases in the BAME community, or something like that. I think that is definitely something that can happen.

And, you know, whether this virus is as serious as they’re saying there’s no doubt that the powers that be are definitely going to use the chaos to their advantage. And this is just something, you know, that we’re going to have to fight when it comes along.

Mark Collett: One more question then, because, that’s some very good points you’ve made there, but the Labour Party’s new leader Keir Starmer has already made Doreen Lawrence — the mother of Stephen Lawrence — into a bit of a “cause celeb” again, because she’s being used, or being wheeled out to lead an investigation headed up by the Labour Party into how disproportionately affected black and ethnic minority communities are. Do you see this as something unusual, or is this just another example of how the Labour Party in Britain no longer cares for the White working-class and he’s just completely centered on whichever minority third thinks gonna vote for them next?

Iconoclast: Well I can’t see how that investigation would be in any way bias Mark? [sarc] I mean, it she sounds like the perfect woman for the job doesn’t she. For people that don’t know Stephen Lawrence was a young [black] man who was murdered in the early 90s and who was this, you know, to make a long story short there was this huge racism row within police. And effectively it crippled the police, because now the police are terrified of being accused of being White supremacists, or racist what-have-you [I doubt this very much. I think it’s being used as an excuse to facilitate crime against Whites].

So this is just yet another alarm bell ringing as loudly as humanly possible. But then again. What do you expect from the Labour Party. What do you expect from both parties? You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Conservatives did something similar. It doesn’t really matter which party is doing it, they’re both the same and they both share similar outlooks for the future of Britain.

Yeah, it’s just ridiculous! I didn’t actually know this story until we just mentioned it their Mark. But yeah, Stephen Lawrence’s mother, you know, someone defined by quote-unquote “racism” and police brutality and institutional bias. She’s the woman to head up this investigation? I don’t see what could go wrong!

And it’s clearly the Labour Party pandering to their new support base. And why wouldn’t they do this? We’ve seen the graphs of support that the Labour Party get from the BAME community. They overwhelmingly vote for Labour never mind how much the Conservatives try and pander to those groups they still always vote for Labour. So it just seems like another decision down that road.

I mean, you’ve seen Keir Starmer’s frontbench, haven’t you? Bloody David Lammy, Naz Shah.. I mean, it’s the who’s who of superstars from the Labour Party it’s amazing stuff.. I didn’t think they could get any worse after Corbyn, but apparently they can and they are. So yeah, typical stuff from the Labour Party here. They hate the working-class and they hate Britain as far as I’m concerned.

Mark Collett: Well I would pass this over to No White Guilt, but somebody has just sent me a message saying:

“Have you seen the video of Tommy Robinson stating that he would wipe out the White race?”

I haven’t. I don’t even know if that exists. [I think he’s being sarcastic] But if it does please send it and we’ll play it on the show. But before we potentially watch that explosive video I want to throw this over to Jason. Are there any parallels here about what’s happening in Britain to what’s happening in America? Have there been any special outreaches to minority communities. And. What do you make of the pushback against de Blasio statement today, that even a certain (((ethnic group))) must obey the law?

[40:05]

No White Guilt: Well every now and again you’ll see that. Just to start with the last part of your question, every now and again you’ll see that as sort of a bone that’s thrown. And then they’ll come back and they’ll make amends by throwing themselves into every puddle that any one of these people might come across, so that they have a nice little footbridge over the water! [lol].

It is, there are endlessly — and we said here — that they were going to be endlessly blaming Western kind for this, saying that non-Whites suffering at all is White people’s fault! They suffered more it’s White people’s fault! They got the disease more, it’s White people’s fault! Not, because of anything that they were doing they’re never responsible for anything that happens in their lives.

So we knew this from the very beginning that this was how the anti-White narrative, because this is what we talk about this overarching narrative by which we’re forced to live our lives, by which reality is bent and distorted to fit into the anti-White narrative. We knew that they would do that and that is obviously ends up being the case. Everything that we were talking about before, all of our explanation of what motivates the anti-Whites is what ends up predicting and then satisfying those predictions when they act these ways. When they say these sorts of things.

Now I have to say on the other side of the spectrum, you know, anti-Whites aside, I am just I’m so fed up with this endless talk! Every time the wind blows it’s the same claim about, you know, all of these conspiracy theories that are just, you know, somebody writes a White paper somewhere and they say, for example, that X, Y, or Z, is going to be forced upon us at some point in the future. And then something happens. And then everybody goes off on this tangent of:

“Oh this is the time!”

Nobody remembers this is such a tired rerun! There’s not gonna be mass force vaccinations! They’re not gonna be dragging you out of your houses to vaccinate you! Stop with these fantasies ladies and gentlemen. Whenever there is a claim — this is an easy way to look at it — whenever there is a claim that is going to victimize the entire population, you can know right now it’s not going to come into fruition! There’s too many victims. Now if they say:

“Well we’re going to get rid of the anti-White slurs on YouTube.”

That can probably happen, because there are too few of us that are going to get victimized. Too many people are already believing that we are this, you know, threat, or whatever to the stability of society. So they could probably push that kind of a thing through. But saying to the entire population:

“We’re going to make all of the entire population do X Y, or Z!”

That’s just too many victims! And the sort of victimization that can be done in those cases are these tiny increments of a victimization. Might they tack on a little bit of attacks? Probably. Might they say:

“Well all the money we gave away to the Americans when we had this bailout you’re gonna have to pay a back if you’re a regular American in your taxes, but the billionaires and trillionaires they don’t have to pay anything back.”

That’ll probably happen. But no, men in Humvees are not gonna pull up in front of your house and drag you out of your house to inject you with some poisons!

And this sort of thing is, the reason why it animates me. First of all is I get bored with the same stupid reruns of these claims every single time the wind blows hard! Every single time people make these videos! And I get tired! It’s just stupid! So it takes us off on these wrong paths so we’re not serving White well being. We’re not getting to our brothers and sisters.

And this is what harms us two ways, and I’m gonna pass it back. It harms us these two ways. We get off on people, too many of us get off on this asinine stuff, instead of waking up our brothers and sisters!

What if we had — and I said this the other day — what if we had 50,000 people going free when this pandemic hit the planet? And then they could go out to all of these rallies that are happening right now, people losing their jobs, losing their way of life, losing their savings, their little savings they do have, that has washed away with the printing of the goddamn currency! And then they’re going to defame these people!

What if we have 50,000 people going free and they could get out in these cities and say to these people in their pickup trucks and everything:

“Hey I can tell you why this is happening and it’s not, because lizard people are going to introduce some Martian currency on planet Earth! It has something very real to do with groups of people that victimized us, because they’re anti-Whites! And you should start thinking about yourself as a community if you’re gonna survive as an individual!”

There’s that! There is that, instead of it all of this asininity! But then the other fact is that, when you go out and you say this stupid garbage to folks, you’ve burned your credibility for all time! Nobody’s going to listen to you when you’ve told them for the tenth time that you’re gonna be dragged out of your house and given injections in your neck by government workers, because the wind has blown hard this time!

Get real and stop damaging the reputation! And this goes, I mean, my anger goes with what we’re talking about earlier. Stop damaging the reputation of the community so that we can start saving our race before it is too late!

[45:18]

Mark Collett: Well, thank you for that. And we are going to move on now. Because recently I have been the subject of many attacks. And I have been disavowed by any people in my time. In fact, I think I’ve lost count of those who have indeed disavowed me over my time in the movement. People have disavowed me for a variety of reasons, apparently.

I go too far to the right and sometimes say spicy things about books I’ve read. I sometimes go too far to the Left and have people on my channel who certain people classify as degenerate. So it’s kind of a weird thing. I’m pulled in numerous directions I’m often attacked and disavowed for doing the very opposite things.

So it’s kind of hard to walk a line when you’re being attacked for going one way then you go the other way and get attacked for going that way too. It’s almost like a balancing act. And yes I have recently been disavowed by a stupid kangaroo! A kangaroo that I wiped the floor with, in a debate on the kill stream. And he’s never forgiven me and he’s still licking his wounds.

But one person here tonight who is almost the nice guy of nationalism is Dan, and I never ever thought anybody would ever disavow Dan. I never thought anyone would disavow Dan. But recently Dan came out with a comment so extreme, so over the top that the disavowal from Anne Marie Waters of For Britain came in rather swiftly!

Now Dan’s heretical comment according to Anne Marie Waters from For Britain was that Dan doesn’t believe that Rishi Sunak, or Priti Patel, should be Prime Minister, because they aren’t of indigenous stock. And he believes that people who run the country should be of the people. People who represent the people should be of the people! And he has been admonished for this! How do you feel about being publicly disavowed? I was gonna say by the lovely Anne Marie Waters, but that would be a lie! [loud laughter]

Iconoclast: Well, guilty as charged! Im sorry to everyone who abandoned me, who disavowed me, because of that Rishi Sunak comment. I will be making many more similar comments in the future, sorry to say to you.

Yeah, that was a weird one, wasn’t it Mark? Because she spent, … Well first of all, let me backtrack a second, because I know people have been asking people have been asking me about this for last few weeks and I’ve talked about on a few streams. But it’s worth going over again here so it was strange to wake up that that morning and I actually woke up to your message Mark you said something along the lines of:

“Lol! You get a mention in this Dan!”

And linked me the video and I uh, what’s this and checked it out and it was what it was. But people seem to think that Anne Marie Waters and myself have a deeper relationship than we do, or did.

The truth is I spoke to her a couple of times. I met her once in person to do a video when she was up here in the Northeast campaigning for I think it was a council election, or something like that in Hartlepool not nothing major but one of her team that they messaged me and said, or do you want to come down and interview Anne? Would be good content for you she likes you stuff and I said sure why not.

So I went down there had a decent interview softball questions admittedly, but I wasn’t looking to pick a fight and I knew that I had significant political differences with Anne Marie Waters mainly on the Israel thing. Now I don’t understand why someone claiming to be a British nationalist has to go so hard and heavy on the support for Israel in the manifesto. I don’t understand that I’ve never understood it and I’m glad that PA obviously don’t do that.

But while I was there and I told you this story Mark and you had a laugh about it and it’s interesting now, because she says that she, you know, the only tie that she has to Israel is that she doesn’t hate it. Well maybe that’s true but the thing is when I was there she was helping me move a table around so I could set up my microphone and set up my camera in order to do the interview. And either it was already on the table, or it fell out for a pocket, or bag, or something but this little Israeli flag pin badge fell on the table as we were moving it.

And I didn’t say anything at the time, because I thought well if I bring this up then the interview might not even go ahead, because we’ll get into an argument. So I left it.

So it’s interesting to see how she defended, you know, her Israeli talking points on that recent video. You know, if I said that the only connection I have to Luxembourg is I don’t hate Luxembourg, but yet I was carrying around a Luxembourg flag pin badge, that would be a little weird wouldn’t it? I just thought that was odd. But I left it at the time.

But getting back to your question. Actually, Mark I’ll let you follow up on that, because you wanted me to tell that story and then I’ll come back. So what are your thoughts on that? And then I’ll continue if you want.

[50:29]

Mark Collett: I just think it’s so funny! There are these people and they constantly shill for Israel. Then, when people say you guys are shilling for Israel, they act with such shock and horror, as if the accusation is utterly Baseless! [loud laughter] And then when you meet them they’re almost like cartoon villains aren’t then? They’re “bad guy” card falls out of their front pocket in front of everyone! And to and behold they’re actually a member of the club! It’s almost cartoonish in the way it happens!

But when you told me this it made me laugh so much and I thought it’s just absolutely ridiculous! But the day also after she’d made her attack on you and I, she then appeared on a small stream where every flag in the background it’s just like Israeli flags everywhere! Lolo. And she sat there in the streams like:

“I don’t know why people would link me with Israel?”

Behind it’s just all this Israeli, … And you are thinking to yourself [loud laughter] they’re just so brazen! They’re so absolutely brazen with it! But I find it almost perfect in a way, because it is so comedic. And as I say that was a fantastic story! But carry on.

Iconoclast: Yeah it sounds almost too good to be true doesn’t it? But for people doubting that story and she might not remember it, or she might deny it. I don’t know but I’m not gonna lie about something like that. I mean, it did happen and it threw me off at the time but I just got on with the job I was there to do. I’d travelled to see her and all that stuff. But putting aside that little thing.

The attack was very strange and I felt a lot of animosity in her voice and it was weird Mark, because she spent most of the video two-thirds of the video attacking you personally in very childish ways. Now I don’t know what history you Anne Marie Waters have if any that’s not really my concern.

Mark Collett: None.

Iconoclast: Okay well that’s there you go. But it seems to me that she was a little bit threatened by Patriotic Alternative. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that her video came out at the same sort of time that other people were making very vocal criticisms of PA and in sticking the boot in, so to speak. I don’t think that’s a coincidence at all.

Not to get conspiratorial here, but yes that when she started moving on to me it took me by surprise, because I thought we had a decent relationship. I haven’t spoken to her since we did that interview and I haven’t spoken to her since this attack. But it just shows the gulf doesn’t it between a group like PA and a group like For Britain. Ethno-nationalists and civic nationalists. There’s a line that they warned cross. And we were pretty honest about what we believed and I was up front and honest enough about Rishi Sunak. And it’s nothing personal against him.. I don’t think he’s a bad guy. I don’t hate the man but he’s a symbol of how far this country has changed.

And the fact that the media are promoting him as a possible contender to be the Prime Minister after Boris Johnson well that just says everything you need to know the man isn’t British he’s not English his parents are Indian he was born in this country but like Enoch Powell said all the way back in the 70s, you know, of English parents gave birth to an English child in China that child isn’t Chinese he’s English. His home is England no one would doubt that it’s his home.

But when it comes to non-Whites somehow that’s not the deal somehow people have a huge problem saying that about them and also she just I want to pull her up on something else she said that Priti Patel as a Home Secretary has done more to curb illegal immigration than anyone else and I have to say that is just outright nonsense!

I mean, how many channel crossings are we having every day? How many immigrants are coming to Britain every year? How many illegal immigrants do we have in Britain now? I mean, it’s off the chart! Just, because she deported like ten Jamaicans a few months ago most of them didn’t get deported, by the way, they were look there were more that got kept here then got deported but, because ten got sent back, or she’s tough no she isn’t none of them are tough it’s all nonsense!

So I mean, she can attack me personally all she wants but at least get your facts right as well for God’s sake! So I mean, it was just a funny situation all around. And Mark I mean, how [55:00] do you feel about these attacks, because like you said they are coming thick and fast and I do feel for you. But I think it’s a positive thing I think it shows that our ideas and our movement is the thing that people want to be a part of it is the threat and it is where people are moving to and I think they’re scared of us, quite frankly.

Mark Collett: I can honestly say this nothing makes me more comfortable and more happy than being attacked by people like Anne Marie Waters! And, in fact, if Anne Marie Waters had the guts and the integrity she claims to have wouldn’t attack me she would debate me. But she will never debate me neither will any of these other Civnats now they’re all running scared talking about how they don’t debate people like me anymore. Why not? Isn’t that what the Left say? Isn’t it the Left that says that no platform no platform for those people on the right and just as she used lots of leftist arguments against me in her attack she is now using leftist rhetoric in order to get out of debating me, because they don’t want any dialog, because they know they get destroyed as soon as we open channels of dialogue.

And it’s important to back up what Dan said here with some actual figures to pan it out Dan was very factual in saying that Priti Patel is the very opposite of what Anne Marie Waters said. Whereas Anne Marie Waters had pretty perturbed and more than any other Home Secretary to reduce immigration.

Priti Patel is the woman who is overseeing fifteen thousand migrants per day flooding into Britain to take British jobs at a time when British unemployment is at a record high! A high that hasn’t been seen for decades and decades!

Priti Patel is not doing and I said this at election time I think people remember me saying this I said that have you seen conservatives and the Labour Party’s the Conservatives are better at marketing multiculturalism and open borders and labor so conservatives say we’re going to have open borders in a way that appeals to people.

We’re not going to have upper limits guys but we are going to have a points-based system and then people like Anne Marie Waters run around saying problems solved and I don’t know why Anne Marie Waters says things like this, because she’s meant to be the leader of a radical political party that wants to overhaul the system. But then she’s standing on the side with her Conservative Party pom-poms doing an awkward little dance and cheering the non-indigenous Home Secretary that he’s breaking all mass immigration records at a time when British workers meet need jobs more than ever! It’s so absurd! It’s so it’s so the wrong way round it’s unbelievable!

And I want to make this clear I am NOT I am not perfect I make mistakes I am a human being and I have said things that some people don’t like. I’ve said things that have been mischaracterized and I’ve said things that admittedly have been foolish and probably I shouldn’t have said.

But I am always clear on one thing we are a radical party that isn’t looking to tweak the way the system works we’re a radical party that wants to destroy the current system and completely replace it and reshape it from the top-down for the benefit of our people. And. I don’t think Anne Marie Waters would ever say that, because, I don’t think that is her goal. If anything she is a gatekeeper and somebody who ultimately props up the Conservative Party.

And anyone here tonight the things the Conservative Party is their friend and that the Conservative Party in any way stands for the interests of the indigenous people just needs to look at the current migration numbers. What do you think Dan?

Iconoclast: Yes I mean, I think you’re right it is just a question of marketing isn’t it, because the Labor Party are very open and honest about what they stand for I mean, they wear it on their sleeves that poster campaigns are full of pro-refugee pro-migrant propaganda the Conservatives hide it better they see, you know, their little pirates here’s the thing you can look at this from two ways right first of all it is terrible what the Conservatives do, because they say one thing they make you think a certain way and then they do completely the opposite against your interests.

But at the same time they are using strong rhetoric that they wouldn’t have considered using years ago so I think that at least on the language front even though they completely betray their own words but at least on the language front our talking points in our concerns are penetrating in some way, because they know they have to say those types of things to get elected. So they must know well they do know that that is the sentiment in the country and across the West at large.

[60:00]

But again treacherous! Treacherous! Treacherous! The massive amount of immigration don’t forget people we’ve had a Conservative government for ten years now I know they were in a coalition for since 2010 but really it was a Conservative government. Since then the immigration to this country has been off the charts it’s been massive! They’re not tough at the border they’re not tough on anything! They’re not tough on crime!

They’ll say that all these things they say that they will be, you know, changing all the way that all the things that labor have done to this country to ruin it but, you know, you can blame Tony Blair and then a New Labour for introducing mass immigration on the scale that we’re seeing now. But you can’t excuse the Tories for continuing it they’ve done nothing to stop it leaving the European Union is all fine and good and I was a lever I supported that, but to think that it’s gonna stop non-European immigration in this country like the Tories allowed you to believe it would then it’s wrong there’s gonna be more of it than ever.

And I think they scrapped their points to base system the other day didn’t they went back on that so I mean, even their campaign pledges that were the front of their campaign oh no will scrapped it now, you know, we’ll just get rid of it, because we don’t actually want to do anything but the party of big business. Big business loves mass immigration they don’t care about us, it’s economy first with them and that’s about it. Yeah that’s what I’ve got to say they are worse than the Labour Party in my opinion.

Mark Collett: Well do you know, who else likes mass immigration.

Iconoclast: Go on. God! All right, let’s listen to this one!

“If you could just please send a coin donation to TR News to help us wipe out the White race!”

Mark Collett: Did you all hear that?

Iconoclast: Yeah, I’ve seen that before a couple of months ago I think.

Mark Collett: I haven’t seen that, but I find it really funny. And I find it funny for two reasons he’s obviously going to claim he was joking he’s obviously going to claim that this was all one big joke it was a joke. It’s all in good spirits he’s mocking people like us. Well in doing this he’s doing two things.

Firstly he is did eyeing the truth he’s denying the real threat that faces our people he’s denying our replacement and our genocide. And secondly he’s doing something that he wouldn’t tolerate, said, or done about any other person. Now if I put on a peaked cap from a certain period of history started strutting around speaking in an accent from a foreign country, a foreign accent, and joking about the extermination of another group, Tommy wouldn’t be laughing! Because that wouldn’t be a joke! That would be hate speech.

In fact, Allison Shabloz a woman who came to our conference made jokes made humorous satirical songs about certain aspects of history, certain historical narratives and she was taken to court for that. And isn’t it again telling and she was found guilty mind, you know, she served time in jail for that. Disgusting!

But isn’t it amazing that these people actually underlined our points they actually prove our points it is absolutely acceptable to joke about the replacement of White people demographic change it’s absolutely acceptable to joke about the White race dying out when in some countries like South Africa that is very real where farm attacks, anti-White racist attacks violent genocide takes place on a regular basis.

But joking about all of that is absolutely acceptable and Tommy thinks it’s hilarious but I can guarantee if anyone on this panel, or anyone else for that matter joked even joked about anything like that to do with another ethnic group he would be carrying around the begging bowl banging the drum asking for donations and calling for people’s free speech to be restricted.

And that’s another thing isn’t it I’ve often said free speech is a one-way street if you mock Christians it’s acceptable. But if you mock other religious groups off to jail. If you mock wines acceptable if you mock other ethnicities off to jail! And I’ve often said that you mock straight people acceptable, if you mock other sexualities off to jail! And I’ve often said this is practiced by the establishment groups like the BBC run shows like Jerry Springer the opera mocking people of indigenous descent mocking Jesus blaspheming in terrible ways and it’s on TV.

But these establishment groups would never mock other religions they would never mock other cultures they would never make jokes at other ethnicities. And that’s an establishment thing and there you see Tommy Robinson doing what is very much an establishment thing. And when he does things like this when he acts in this manner he thinks he’s being clever.

But he’s not actually clever at all, because all he’s doing is showing us just how much in sync with the establishment he is. Just like when he calls us racists. Just like when he wanted to make “Shalom” [documentary about a jew] just like when he does many, many other things that are just subtle tells that he’s not actually a radical he’s not actually against the system but he’s actually part of the system.

And so happy to use their narrative when it suits him and so unhappy to actually say anything of a radical nature especially if the thing that people want him to say is about the defense of the indigenous people. Do anyone else have any commentary on that before we move on to the superchats?

No White Guilt: I’ll just very briefly say that everything you said was absolutely on point about the totality of it! His character the way that the system operates relative to these things. And the other thing I want to say when it comes to Waters is that in human society there are going to be individuals who strive for power who strive for wealth, etc., the regime rewards those entities and organizations with positive press, with finances with advise.

Those entities and organizations individuals that benefit them that secure their power that is why somebody like these controlled opposition’s that’s how they come into existence they end up then getting advice and they end up changing positions, because those behind the scenes with the wealth, is able, they are able, to manipulate what they think. The one paying the piper calls the tune and remember.

The cure to this the remedy to this when it comes to even all of us here and everyone serving White well being the remedy is whether it is a Donald Trump, or Mark Collett. If these individuals are doing and most pointedly doing not really just saying but doing something that serves White well being well then we like them. And if they are doing something that serves White ill-being then we despise them!

That is what matters the spirit of the West and our recapturing of our destiny not human beings. So when the moment Anne Marie Waters you can see how this formula immediately saves us from going wrong it immediately saves our population our brothers and sisters from going the wrong direction if she said well we’re going to restrict this immigration, because we are X, Y, Z, run down the list and then they don’t do that, in fact, they do like Dan was saying that they said well we’re gonna get rid of ten and then they didn’t even do that.

Trump said he was going to get rid of all X number the media went crazy and then it would find out that that X number was tiny and then you find out no they actually didn’t give it if anybody it was like seven of the worst gang members in the country is all that got rid of so then, you know. And this is how the formula works and just imagine if we could get it to all of our brothers and sisters then, you know, this person is serving White ill-being now we despise them let’s get on to the great questions from the financial gifts that people are giving.

Mark Collett: Dan you have anything to add to Tommy’s nonsense before we do that?

Iconoclast: Well just one little thing here’s a thing with Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Waters people like that especially Tommy Robinson. I’m not gonna deny that he’s done good work in the past right I’m just not, because I used to follow him like a lot of people in the chat tonight I would imagine we all go through that journey.

But here’s the thing. Every time I see him on a stream these days he’s just talk and shop about his court cases and I’ve never once heard a solution from him about the thing that he cares about the most which is Islam and the Muslim population in Britain.

Maybe I’ve missed a few but I would like to know what Tommy Robinson’s solutions are to solve the Muslim issue in Britain? Because if we can go by the responses that you and people like you and I have received Mark on the issue of repatriation, for example, then it doesn’t look like they’re willing to even go for that.

So I mean, what’s the goal here? To convince the millions of Muslims in Britain to let go and abandon everything that makes them who they are? Everything that they care about and adopt some baseless, hollow, British values? You know, that nobody can even define, by the way.

What’s the goal here? What’s the plan? And as soon as you ask that very simple question of these people and you realize that they’ve got nothing, then you go searching for solutions yourself, which is why we’re all here tonight. So that’s all I would like to say about that issue right there.

[70:04]

Mark Collett: Okay let’s do some of these chats. And some of these chats are relating to the Colin Robertson, aka, Millennial Woes issue. Vodkar gave 3 US dollars and said:

“Can we have a statement on the Colin Robertson situation please?”

I don’t know if people are aware of this. But there are very, very iffy photos going around the internet that Colin sent to somebody that purportedly show parts of his body. Those are not parts of his body! They are actually just they are a joke. That is not him. He was winding somebody up. So I’ve got to say that does not constitute a genuine case against him. So people are now muddying the waters and there are numerous things floating about that one I believe is absolutely false! I think he would verify that.:

JP gave ten dollars and says:

“Love the show! Keep doing God’s work.”

Thank you very much. JC Stalin gave ten US dollars and said:

“Hail Mark, Jason, and the Iconoclast! They will not silence us!”

Thank you. Picking Gaz1972 gave five pounds:

“Contribution for your great work.”

Thank you very much. Celtic Advocate gave three pounds. Thank you very much. And this is for Dan:

“I watched my first Iconoclast video right after my first and hopefully last trip to Birmingham in 2018. Instant red pill! If any of you could choose a Civnat to debate who would it be and why?”

We’ll start with you Dan

Iconoclast: Well I think the thing would have to be Anne Marie Waters, at this point, wouldn’t it? I mean, I don’t have any beef with anyone else really. No one else has called me out to my knowledge. And I certainly don’t get involved in this sort of stuff too often.

But yeah, it will be her because, you know, we do have prior together, and she did call me out. And I guess that’s the way to go. And I guess just to, in relation to that guy’s comment there about Birmingham. I think a lot of people are red pilled through personal experience. And it’s not through watching YouTube videos, or reading a book. I mean, they help, of course, they help people along.

But I mean, I’ve mentioned this lots of times. When I went to Paris, when I was a younger man and saw the demographic situation of Paris, and just felt this overall feeling of dread and sadness and loss! That’s what really pushed me towards where I am now. So yeah, I sympathize with the guy. And I’m glad that he’s found this scene and I hope he’s always doing well.

Mark Collett: Jason if you could debate anyone who would it be?

No White Guilt: Any abstractionist! We’re talking about abstractions, I will happily debate, or humiliate any single one that would like to step forward. Because there are a few things that are more entertaining for me than watching an abstractionist coil themselves up into many knots, and begin to cry profusely! What other questions do we have brother?

Mark Collett: We haven’t heard who I would debate yet! If I was debating anyone, I think I’ll choose Tommy Robinson. Maybe, because he’s the biggest of those on the Civnat scene. So I think I’d like to take on the biggest! But he’s also possibly one of the least intelligent. So, it would almost be like the biggest fight ever, but also the easiest! You would get a double bonus wouldn’t you? You’d get the most [word unclear] but I wouldn’t have too much to [word unclear] during the night. So it would almost be like facing the champ, but also being carried at the same time. Quite an interesting play off there.

No White Guilt: He would be the anti-final boss! That you would have to [word unclear]

Mark Collett: Yeah be like the final boss of Zelda. But then far weaker than the first enemy and be like, what? He’s weaker than a regular slime? This is absurd! I could have done him with my wooden sword! This is ridiculous! Yeah, I think it would bea, … It would be somewhat of an anticlimactic event in terms of an intellectual workout! But nonetheless, very much amusing for everyone in the chat today.

Grant Holtz gave three US dollars.:

“Can you respond to Devon Tracey hit piece. Probably sit down with him on a stream. He’s a good content maker.”

Devon Tracey, he’s all upset with me, because naughty, naughty, Ethan Ralph, invited me on the kill stream and slyly set us up for a debate without either was knowing. Devon got all upset, because I spanked him, when I debated him about a certain historical occurrence. And has never let go of the fact since then. I can’t believe, years later he’s still sore about it. But, you know, some people just can’t let go of anything.

Ryan Four gave 5 pounds. Thank you very much. And he said:

“Hi Mark. I hope you enjoy my impressions of a PWR episode that was sent to you last week on Telegram. Thanks for everything you do. I’m looking forward to attending the next PA conference. Last one was fantastic!”

Yes Ryan, I did enjoy it! Multiple people sent me your impression of me. I just didn’t realize I was so slow and annoying when I spoke. So I’m gonna try to do some vocal coaching to escape these mockeries of me that seems to be going around Telegram.

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One five, six viewer gave three pounds:

“Cryptocurrency system using body activity data Microsoft Paint and who slash 2020 slash zero six zero six zero six human body activated associate activity associate with the tasks provided by a user may be used in mining a process of cryptocurrency.”

Well, thank you for that people are free to investigate that. Sirup it gave five pounds. Thank you very much. And he said:

“The anime avatars on Twitter want to know if Mark will be playing Final Fantasy 7 remake, or if you’ll disavow it for being too modern?”

Well I’m gonna ruin everyone’s night tonight. I never played the original Final Fantasy this 7 I don’t like JRPGs particularly they’re too slow. I much prefer action RPGs and things that you actually need a little bit of a reaction speed and timing for however I do have the switch conversion of Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 7 built into the PlayStation Classic Mini which I got boxed and knew for $29.99. And although is a bit of a disappointment at that price you can’t say no. And I did load it with a hundred extra games. So I was very happy with it.

But I still haven’t played Final Fantasy 7 on it, so I don’t know. But modern remakes especially that one remake I certainly wouldn’t be playing but it’s any half again. So I certainly wouldn’t be buying a remake that left out the whole second part of the story. That would be rather annoying if I was going to be playing any remake I would be playing Resident Evil 3 remake. However, although I got a free copy the CD key still hasn’t been delivered so, rather annoyed about that.

JC Stalin gave 10 US dollars and said:

“We must be professional and aboveboard in all things if we are to grow.”

Agreed. Thank you very much.

Cincin commander gave five pounds:

“Is the animosity and malice directly towards PA in yourself borne of jealousy purely, because PA could achieve something they have never even come close to achieving and done it in the right way?”

Oh okay let’s we can all discuss this. But I think a lot of the jealousy and malice towards PA is twofold. I think. Firstly, we’re building something that threatens people. We’re building something that’s genuinely radical and smart and professional. And that threatens people.

But we threaten people in another way. We threaten people in another way. And it’s not what you think. People often say you’re threatening them Mark, because people fear they’ll lose donations to you. People fear that they’ll lose their money supplies, because people donate to PA instead. And that’s actually false, because we don’t have a donation button on our website. So you can’t donate to us.

But they fear that more than they fear us taking their donations. Let me explain. There are many groups out there who want to charge you for everything and I mean, everything! They want to charge you a quarter of a million for a documentary! They want to charge you a hundred and fifty thousand for court costs! They want to charge you too and a half three, four, five thousand for a new website! They want to charge you huge amounts of money for monthly running costs! We don’t! And that scares them more than if we were grifting.

You see if we were grifting as well it would annoy them that we would potentially take some of their donations. But we would still be keeping up the facade that the grift was necessary. We would still be keeping up the lie that hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds were needed to make hour-long documentaries that go on YouTube. That hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds were needed for court costs which aren’t even necessary.

But the fact we don’t ask for donations annoys them even more. The fact we’re doing this for free the fact we can produce the best documentary nationalisms ever produced “We Were Never Asked” and do it for nothing. Well a fraction of the cost to any of these other documentaries have been made for scares them.

Because if we can produce “We Were Never Asked” for less than 500 pounds and a little bit of hard work, but they’re saying they need quarter-of-a-million, that hurts them a lot more! Because it doesn’t just take a little bit of the grift away from them, it proves without a shadow of a doubt that the grift is, in fact, a grift! And that it’s all just a show and it’s a scam!

And that’s why they really hate us, because we’re doing what they do, we’re doing it better, and we’re doing it without rinsing people with constant donation, begging letters, constant scams, constant huge fundraising drives, for things that shouldn’t cost that. And I think that’s why they fear is. Why do you think they fear us Dan?

Iconoclast: I think you raise a good point they’re actually. I look at this from more of a community standpoint, because you look at For Britain, for example, and there’s no real community there. I don’t know of any real [80:01] YouTube channels that are affiliated with For Britain that kind of sing their praises and promote them.

Yet you look at I mean, other than that guy he’s not YouTube channel but the guy that wrote that article for the For Britain website something Campbell I can remember his name, you know, an article which was ridiculous where at the bottom he said that maybe For Britain should expose Patriotic Alternative to organisations like Hope Not Hate to show that they are the real fascists and we aren’t as bad as they say we are! You know, this pathetic capitulation this:

“Please don’t say nasty things about us anymore see we’re the good guys?”

Other than people like that I don’t see a community around that party. Completely opposite in the PA movement, because we have well you can count how many channels and people are involved with PA.

I’ve been very public about my support for you guys, and Dangerfield, On the Offensive, all these other guys that I hung around with Morgoth. We’ve got a lot of people and there is a genuine community here. And you hold conferences people get together they meet each other in real life. They go out for dinner. They go on camping trips. That’s the whole thing.

And I think it is this idea of authenticity that they don’t like, because they can’t really project that, they can’t replicate that. And that’s a very dangerous thing and it makes us stronger. That’s what I think that’s the way I look at it.

No White Guilt: I’ll just jump in there Mark. Yeah the when these people are come out the person who was super chatting is absolutely correct. This is a matter of Revelation and you all this is what we can learn a lot about an individual by what they say and what they do, more so than even what they are adducing, in what they are saying. So when somebody steps forward and they say well PA, X, Y, Z, all these negative things about PA we can then look at what that criticism is and what the objective of the criticism is.

What the outcome of the criticism would be if it were effective and then correctly conclude what the person who is making the criticism is after. And that is what we can learn about individuals who make such criticisms and deduce such things of Patriotic Alternative, at least, at this point, in history.

And that is that these individuals are making these criticisms, because they don’t put the well-being of our people first. They put the well-being of themselves first. These people are revealing that they are egoists. If they see a current that is growing and in achieving for our people they would support that even if they were running something perhaps that they say let’s say they’re right, or wrong, or whatever it might be they think would work better for our people, they would still nonetheless support something that was healthful that was salubrious for our people and that was succeeding and growing they would still support that, because their objective would be the same as the objective of that entity.

When they criticize in this way they’re revealing to you that they are just miscreants, that they are opportunists that their criticisms are spurious.

And we should look for this and I’ll pass it right back to Mark for the next fantastic question, or statement.

We should look and be ready for these Unholy Confederations of those who are abstractionists, of those who are ostensibly with us for White well-being and those who are notably anti-White, because those individuals, those egoists, those miscreants, will unite themselves quite readily with anti-Whites to take down those who are actually serving White well being. Back to your brother.

Mark Collett: The next chat is Jim Tomonomari gave 10 US dollars and said:

“White people are going to be a plurality, not a minority in 2045. There will be no racial majority in the US. Same thing for Canada. Did you hear Noah Smith from Bloomberg saying that the borders can be closed, because enough people are inside the US already and a White plurality future is sealed?”

I didn’t hear him say that. I have to look it up. I don’t know if you guys have heard that, but I’ve got a slightly different. I think you’ve said it’s a plurality but I believe that if no group is above 50% then they’re all minorities. The same with the government. You can have, you need a majority in parliament to form a government. But if there is no actual majority party that holds 50 percent then you have a government made up of a minority coalition. So I believe that Whites will be a minority.

But there’ll be one of several minorities and they just won’t be a majority, or one group that forms a majority. However, if you looked at the non-White population, the non-White population is often London together and would be seen as a majority in itself. But I haven’t seen Noah Smith saying that.

But I can imagine that many people many anti-Whites in the US [85:00] would be very happy wouldn’t really care about closing the borders, once White people were a minority, because their jobs being done. Have you guys heard anything about this?

Iconoclast: No I’ll let Jason take this, because I haven’t.

No White Guilt: I haven’t. But I’ll just add as an addendum to what you just said that for the commenter is this. That never break down the other peoples of man into separate groups.

That (((one group))) that has no power, is very small, except they have all the power in the world. They break the world down into two groups. Their group and everyone else. That is exactly the way that we need to behave, because that is the most intelligent way to behave for the well-being of your community. So, once we fall to a number that is below the totality of the non-Whites, then indeed we are the minority. I pass it back.

Mark Collett: Okay the next superchat is from Shenzhen come anima gave five pounds. Thank you very much:

“Rico did nineteen repayment tax the UK we us should toss up how much that comes to and then send that bill to the People’s Republic of China, HMRC isn’t getting a penny off me this wasn’t our fault!”

I agree.

Blunderbuss gave 25 US dollars and said:

“Could you cheer me up by ripping on the alt light for a minute?”

I think we’ve done that for more than a minute. Thank you for the very generous donation, but we probably spent at least half the show doing that.

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Mark Collett: Joey Joe gave five pounds and said:

“Can you please tell us what the allegations are without dancing around the topic, so we know what’s true and what’s a rumor? The people deserve to know who they’re supporting and funding. Thank you.”

Well several people in the chat and some people have messaged me saying that I’ve danced around the allegations. The specific allegation relating to the lady that I spoke of earlier was an allegation of a severe, sexual impropriety. And I have been presented with evidence that is clear-cut! I have been presented with evidence that is clear-cut! That evidence was also being presented to Laura Towler. It is also being presented to Dionne Muller. Both Laura and Dionne, independently of me, came to the same conclusion about that evidence.

Since then both Dan, and Jason, have also been privy to some of this evidence. This isn’t something that we have taken lightly. I know people in the chat, and I know people in the wider community have loyalty to Millennial Woes. But this is not a matter of something that has been taken lightly. This is a matter that has been taken with the utmost seriousness. And there has been a wealth of evidence around this particular case that has been reviewed by numerous people. And a decision was not made by one person, nor was it made lightly!

And people are saying:

“Did anybody speak to Colin about this?”

Yes! People have done. This hasn’t been made in isolation. This is something that has been looked at by multiple people, not just myself. And anybody that thinks that this is some overblown thing, or a witch-hunt, I can assure you it was taken, … Every decision and every action in this case has been dealt with, in the most professional way possible. And dealt with a level of seriousness that I have never really seen before in this movement.

And we have attempted to have been as open and transparent as possible, as I have been all night. Nothing has been hidden. And after reviewing that evidence, we came to our conclusions. And yesterday, Millennial Woes published his statement about his future. And that is, as I said, we then have followed that up by saying that he wouldn’t have been invited any further to our events.

And I think that is being as candid as I can be, because I also have to take into account the person who has made the allegations. I have to take into account the people who have reviewed the evidence. And I have to be as honest with you as I can, without doing something that might get anyone who essentially is completely innocent, but has reviewed this evidence, into a position that they don’t want to be in. So, it’s very, very awkward. But I think I’ve answered that.

If any wants to add anything to this, either of you two, please feel free.

Iconoclast: No I would just repeat what I said earlier. I think you’ve made the decision, you’ve seen the evidence. It’s, you know, it’s up to you really. And you wouldn’t take this decision lightly. It’s not a knee-jerk, right? But that’s all I’m gonna say. I don’t really get involved an interpersonal, …

Mark Collett: If anyone that’s saying:

“Please make the evidence, please put the evidence out here!”

There’s no evidence, there’s no this, there’s no that.”

It is not down to me to make that evidence public. That is not down to me! That is down to the individual involved, and it is also down to that individual whether this information ever goes to the police, or if a police complaint is made.

No White Guilt: Let me just say, there are also some legal issues. So we need to keep in mind that there could potentially be legal issues and there’s certain things that you’re not actually convicted of a crime in Western civilization, until you are convicted of the crime. We can very easily condemn behavior. And there was no light decision here, and so we can decide who, what kind of behavior is acceptable, what kind of behavior is desirable. And then what kind of individuals whether, you know, engaging in behavior, or not, we are going to have around in our community. And legal issues are a serious consideration.

And anyone who’s saying, demanding evidence, or something, they’re not giving I guess, … You know, supposedly these people are concerned about Woes and his welfare, and his well-being.

Well if you are concerned about these things ostensibly, then you most certainly don’t want more coming out into the community, to the public, so that this could be used potentially against whether right, or wrong, whether real, or farce, could be used against him. To destroy his character. To be used against him by anti-Whites in their media. To be used against him potentially, a rumor stirred up environment, to be used against him in a court of law.

If he is going to ever be charged for anything, then the right thing in that scenario is to have an impartial jury, an impartial community, to make that decision. And you would not be serving his interests by demanding some sort of impartiality by the release of the information. So that’s what I would say for that.

Mark Collett: Yes thank you. We’ll move on.

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Gintama Minari gave twenty US dollars:

“The people organizations behind mass migration in the West Matt Katz Noah Smith migration policy institute to pushing for it in Asia. Mass migration isn’t popular anywhere. Just look at the anti-migrant riots in South Africa last year and capitalists are behind it. They have names and videos of their hands, because they.”

Agreed. Thank you for generous donation.

The Thin Red Line gave $5 and said:

“Good show as usual. I hope the allegations about Woes are false.”

I think we’ve covered that now to some degree. And as I said, if people are unhappy with anything I’ve said it was not a decision made by me alone. And it was not a decision made based on allegations but based on a wealth of evidence. And that is something people must remember.

David Marcus gave 20 US dollars:

“Full sail.”

Thank you very much:

“Full sail up and let the wind from our peoples enemies perilous as we speed ahead.”

Thank you.

Mina Foe gave five pounds and gave a thumbs up. Thank you very much.

Vodka gave three US dollars and said:

“Mark I know you covered most of the Woes situation, but does it end here, or is he going to face legal action? I don’t know exactly what he’s accused of doing, or accused of doing just asking.”

Whether any of the allegations levelled at him are followed with legal action is up to the individuals who have made the allegations. And as I say, in the weeks and months ahead, I’m sure more information will come out. But it is not my job, or my right, to press ahead with any of that when people may be pursuing legal matters over this. It is very, it is serious, I can say that though. It is serious.
Becky Key gave three US dollars:

“Mark what is your favorite Zelda game?”

I love Ocarina of Time! I have three favorite Zelda game I love. A link to the past on the Super Nintendo. I absolutely adore Ocarina of Time. But I also really like Breath of the Wild. So there’s a bit of diversity! Three very different games. Three Zelda games, but all magnificent and possibly one the only times you’ll hear me praising Kurt.

Serina JB gave five pounds:

“In the u.s Mayor de Blasio made specific reference [95:01] to the Jayish community to obey the distancing rule. I noticed the individualist Dave Rubin immediately jumped in to defend his own people. Do they not see his hypocrisy?”

Well, we know they don’t! The thing is, it is amazing isn’t it that this has happened, because we sort of briefly mentioned it earlier on the show and Dave Rubin is one of those really interesting people who is one of (((them))). And obviously we’ve seen all over the Western world that minority communities have absolutely been allowed to violate many of these curfews, or quarantines.

And we also see that when it comes to migration, migrants flooding into countries haven’t been subject to screening health checks, or any forms of restrictions. So this is again another hypocrisy. But just as when we see other hypocrises — what we see is certain hypocrisy that favor certain groups. And then what you were and here is Dave Rubin’s tweet for saying this. Dave Rubin said:

“You’re an awful human being and for the record, I was ahead of the curve on it also my sister and her family just moved out of what was once the greatest city in the world Mazel Tov.”

And he says:

“I want to be precise with my language here, de Blasio is a lunatic!”

So for simply saying that a certain community must must obey the law people are screaming Nazi! Makes you wonder what books de Blasio has been reading. [loud laughter] But again of ticket oh there anyone else have takes on that?

Iconoclast: Well I just on the subject of minority groups ignoring the social distancing. There’s a reason why I think it was 25 percent of UK deaths are from the Muslim community. It’s no surprise there. They have large families big households, they pray in large groups I mean, it’s just and you see videos online of them walking down the street in huge groups as well and it’s yeah de Blasio I haven’t seen this tweet but he’s pointing out a fact, because I did see that video from New York and it’s undeniable. And it’s just well if that makes him an anti-semite then what can’t you say, what can you say, rather?

Mark Collett: I think you commented on this earlier Jason. So we’ll move on swiftly.

Grant Holt gave three Dollars and said:

“I like Dangerfield but it’s difficult to take in seriously for Cambodia. He’s whoring for superchats. He needs to come home to be deemed credible.”

You see, this is its a really interesting thing, because I get one group of people who were sort of Dangerfield fans saying:

“Dangerfield don’t like Mark! He’s too far right!”

And then I get another group of people who say:

“Oh Mark! You shouldn’t like Dangerfield. It’s not credible!”

And I am torn in two directions and for the credit, for the record, I really like Chris. I get on with him and I realize he’s had a interesting past. But we were a movement of redemption and I believed that Chris has a great future ahead of him. And I believe that nationalism has played an important part in him turning his life around. And I wish him all the best and hope to work with him in the future.

Claire gave 20 pounds. Thank you very much and said:

“Great stream!”

Thank you.

Supernova 808 gave three pounds:

“Keep up the good work!”

And Vodka gave three US dollars and said:

“Mark after reading the chat people asking for the evidence. Is her word, versus his word, or if there was more evidence? Last question.”

There is more evidence. It is not just a matter of two people’s words. It is not just a matter of one person giving evidence and another person giving evidence. There is concrete evidence that can be viewed and has been viewed by numerous people! I’m making that clear. This is not a witch hunt! Nor would I carry out a witch hunt.

And this is a very sensitive issue, and I’m trying to deal with it in the most professional and open way possible.

Now onto the questions. Bartley Walsh:

“No question. Can the people who keep making statements about Woes despite having no clue about the evidence that was brought to Mark’s stop making huge claims about the situation.”

Thank you for that.

Connor Chick Meister said:

“With April seeing record high numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the channel, are the anti-White globalist using the lockdown to quietly move in more third-world migrants behind our backs?”

What do you think Dan?

Iconoclast: . I don’t think they would need to do it behind our backs, because they do it in front of us all the time! I mean, it’s not like it’s a secret operation is it? It’s not kept undercover it’s there for everyone to see. So I’m just gonna say no things that continuing on is normal! We’re just outside that’s near it so that’s all I’m gonna say about that.

No White Guilt: This is why we love dan! That was fantastic. Go ahead Mark.

Mark Collett: The next question is from Super-Happy Pam. I think that’s how it’s [100:00] pronounced is it Russian, or acrylic alphabet in there so I can’t pronounce it. I probably got it wrong and my apologies but thank you for the question. He says:

“What are the chances of the Woes situations [word unclear] if so will there be any chance of recovery after this for his reputation, or will it be tarnished after this?”

We all make decisions, and sometimes we make the wrong decisions. And even the best people and the people you look up to make bad decisions. And I think anyone who sat with Colin would agree that he’s made some very bad decisions. We have talked about one specific allegation tonight, but numerous other allegations, numerous other photographs, numerous other evidence relating to different things has surfaced. And will continue to surface. Which I don’t wish to see. I don’t wish to see a man’s life ripped to pieces! I don’t wish to see especially I wouldn’t wish to say any innocent man to be torn down. But we make decisions in life and sometimes we make the wrong decision. And as I said, I’m sure people who speak to him will understand. And we have talked about this quite, …

No White Guilt: I just, I have to add one one simple thing Mark. This thing is really important. And that is this. That we saw no evidence that would require us to go to law enforcement on behalf of the victimized person. So there are different bars for convicting a person in a court of law and society punishing that individual, and separating from an individual, because of the conduct of that individual.

And I will make this as saliently clear as possible. No child was harmed for which we would most certainly, immediately, go to law enforcement! There would be no hesitation! There would be there would be no consultation! We wouldn’t look at each other and say:

“Should we XYZ?”

Immediately we would phone the law enforcement and protect that child! End of that rumor going around!

Mark Collett: Let’s be clear! I must be absolutely clear! The allegation was not a rape, and it wasn’t of any impropriety with people who are underage. That is clear, you know, this isn’t a witch hunt. And I don’t want any rumors to spread out. That’s terrible! That’s terrible!

I know this is a good question. I would like to just discuss this a little bit with Dan and I’d also like to offer a bit of apology to anyone that I’ve upset with this. Slamarly says:

“Hi guys addressing the elephant in the room, how do we address optics, issue of progress as a movement, if there are references to topics, events, books, that the Left and center will rip apart?”

This is based on me, because I gave a recommend. I was trying to recommend that people read certain books. On one hand I do apologize, because I shouldn’t have said that. If it’s caused you embarrassment, then that was not my intention! I certainly say things to provoke a reaction. And I certainly say things to provoke people into reading books and to looking into things that the mainstream frown upon.

And I am very, very serious with my underlying message that you need to look out side of the box that the establishment has created for you. There are books like “My Awakening”. There are books like “The Secret Behind Communism”. There are books like “The Culture of Critique”, or many books that Greg Johnson has written that are all banned now on Amazon and Barnes & Noble and all other major book publishers.

Now when I said read a certain book which I’m not going to mention again I wasn’t doing it to embarrass, or to enrage but I was doing this, because I genuinely believed that as a movement if we constrain ourselves within certain boxes created for us by the establishment, by the center right, by the Civnats we will never grow we will never understand the true nature of the struggle that we’re engaged in.

For example, if I say to you when people say. What do you say we should all read and I say oh “The Strange Death of Europe” by Douglas Murray! And then when you read it and you go to Douglas Murray he says:

“Oh yes. But there’s no conspiracy. There’s no White genocide. These people are conspiracy theorists!”

If I say to you go and read Locke, or go and read the basis, books about the fundamental basis of capitalism, or classic liberalism, that’s all well inside the establishments playpen. That’s inside the dichotomy laid out for you on the table.

And what I try to do and sometimes I get this wrong is to say things that will provoke people to go outside of what is acceptable to read books that will [105:00] genuinely make you think. Try reading Arthur Kemp’s “March of the Titans”. That is another controversial book history of the White race. It’s magnificent.

Try reading “The Secret Behind Communism”. I gave a copy of that to James Goddard.

Try reading Greg Johnson’s books. They are very good books.

And as I said, I do believe we have to tread carefully in some times I put my foot in my mouth and can get a little bit too exuberant. But whatever I say I am going to be called certain things. And sometimes I think well if I’m going to be called all those things then I should at least be allowed a little leeway to promote books, or ideas, or themes, that are outside of the mainstream. That I believe people may take some insight, or knowledge from. Because, and this is a very difficult path to walk but as I’ve said I made people uncomfortable by pushing things like that maybe I took it too far. And that wasn’t my intention.

And on a serious note if people asked them what other books, or what other authors I would look towards promoting, JR Tolkien. Read the Lord of the Rings. I used to love Roald Dahl as a child. And he’s somebody who’s been accused of all kinds of ills! Read the complete works of Shakespeare. I’m not saying [word unclear] read “The Fall of Western Man”, but when I say read Shakespeare, I don’t mean read Shakespeare, because I’m trying to be edgy. I mean, read Shakespeare, because some of the greatest films that we all adore are so heavily influenced by plots and themes written hundreds of years ago by William Shakespeare. It’s quite unreal.

But yes if people don’t want to be challenged, then I’m sorry that I challenged you in this way. If people think I’ve given a massive optics boost to our enemy, then I apologize.

However, I think they would have called me the “n” word regardless of my comment. And one thing I’ll say is a guy that has attacked me about this, I believe, is Sargon of Akkad. Now Sargon of Akkad used the other “n” word. And one thing you won’t get me doing, one thing I’ll never do, I sometimes make mistakes, but when I suggest reading a book, or suggest investigating something I suggest those things on an intellectual level, because I want you to learn something, I want to push people outside the boundaries set by the establishment.

I will never use racial slurs like Sargon did for cheap laughs! I will never pin my colors to a stupid joke, or do something to be ironical to curry favor on some edgy Americans stream. If I say something I do it with the best intent and I’m trying to make a serious point. And if I made that serious point in a clumsy manner and I have upset you in any way that was not my intention.

And after speaking to others I realize I did that. Chris Dangerfield spoke to me. Dan spoke to me, and several other people spoke to me and I realized that I certainly didn’t do something they intended to do. And whilst I intended to create genuine debate and a bit of insightful commentary maybe that was what happened. Dan you’ve admonished me for this, feel free to do so publicly now.

Iconoclast: Well you and I had a long phone conversation last week didn’t we? Where we ironed a lot of this stuff out. And, you know, like I said at the beginning of this stream Mark to everyone in the chat and to everyone watching, you are in a very difficult position. You are getting as you said, dragged in every direction there is to be dragged in. And yeah I mean, here’s the thing this movement is a big movement. It’s got lots of people in from lots of different stripes. And some people are interested in various topics and other people are more interested in policy proposals and things like that.

Me personally I was looking at it from not particularly as a threat from the mainstream media, because everyone knows they’re going to attack us no matter what. They’re gonna call us every name under the sun.

And Mark the term you used to me over the phone is, you’re gonna act like a “lightning rod” for this criticism and these insults from the media. So that’s not what people were concerned about. It was just the concern of trying to get new people on board, people who are concerned about the direction of the country, people who are disillusioned with politics who are politically homeless. And we want to make a welcoming atmosphere for those people to join. And then, you know, over time they will find their own way they’ll find their footing like everyone in this movement does. That’s where it came from.

I don’t see it as any sort of infighting, or any sort of big deal anymore really [110:01]. In fact, Mark, since we had our conversation last week over the phone I have come around to your perspective a lot more. And I think we’re not going to see eye to eye on it completely, but do respect the level of authenticity and honesty that we’re trying to get out here in this movement.

And people can take it, or leave it, as far as I’m concerned. I’m here. I support PA! I support you, and I’m not going anywhere. So if people can take my recommendation for anything then that will be it. And they’re my general thoughts on the matter.

Mark Collett: Well, thank you for the kind words. And I’ve got to say as well, I have been placed in a position of responsibility, and a position of authority. And I thank everyone who’s placed their trust in me. But I do also know that I do have baggage.

And I know that one day, undoubtedly, somebody will come along who is better than me at all the things that I’m good and doesn’t have the baggage I have. And when that person does come along, you know, I will welcome them. And I will look forward to watching them take the movement to heights that I wasn’t able to.

And I’m not here to hold on to something, or hold something back. I’m here to be that guy who takes the flag. I’m here to be at the front and take all of the firepower that our enemies throw at us, because I’m used to it, and I’m thick-skinned! And the attacks that I take on a daily basis from all sides would probably break most people.

But to me it’s almost water off a duck’s back, at this point. But I do that and I aim to shield the movement by doing that. And by doing that I think I draw a lot of criticism away from others. Because while everyone’s shooting me down it means a lot of my friends get to act with almost immunity, because they’re not in the crosshairs! So there always is some method in what people may perceive to be madness.

But we have two superchats here. Roydant give twenty five US dollars. Thank you very much! He said:

“There are situations in life where you just need to trust that the leaders of the movement are doing the right thing. This is such a moment. If Mark gives his word on this, it is the truth for me.”

Well, thank you very much. But don’t take my word on it. Please, if you need to speak to anyone else contact Dionne Miller, or contact Laur Towler as well.

Altfit gave ten pounds. He said:

“A pro-White party has no chance of getting into power in the current UK systems. Invaders continue to expand into White areas. We will see further hardening of attitudes. And later on I envisage racially designated habitation zones. Is this the only chance we could have to preserve our race?”

We have every chance to preserve our people. And we have to have a multi-pronged attack at doing so. That means using the electoral process when necessary. It means setting up homeschooling groups. It means civil rights groups. It means legal challenges against anti-White racist legislation.

To make a military analogy, any military that confines itself to one single sphere of warfare, or one single method of attack, will never fail [succeed].

A successful military force has multiple different tactics, multiple different armaments, multiple different forces. They have an army, a navy, and air force. They have Special Forces units. And they do that, because a war isn’t just won in one way. And we are fighting a war for our survival. And part of that battle will no doubt be through the electoral mechanism.

Part of it will be in other ways. Part of it will be cultural. Part of it will be community-based. And I will not write off people doing fitness groups. I won’t write off people doing book clubs. It’s all part of the role.

So why wouldn’t electioneering being as well? And whilst any avenue is open to us, we should use it while it’s open to us! That’s if it’s ever open to us. That is if it is ever open to us, because at the moment they are refusing to allow PA to become a party. Because the system fears us so much, they won’t let us become a party! You know, if we were such a joke, if I was such a joke, and such an outsider, and no one was gonna vote for us, and no one would ever vote for a party with a madman like me in charge, then why won’t they let’s stand in elections? [chuckling] That’s a good question I think!

And final, Uncle Bertie gave 25 US dollars and said:

“Thank you Mark for being a man of honour and worthy of my trust.”

Thank you very much.

And thank you to everyone who was donated so generously tonight. Which just about brings us, … Oh we’ve got one last question but I’m just answer this quickly. It’s from Its Okay to be a Nashi, said:

“Did any of you see see the Simon Harris stream last night with Gavin Boby? He says that Denmark has similar policies to PA, repatriation it hasn’t worked too well. Would you chat to Gavin Boby?”

Gavin, we have spoken, you know, we have spoken. I want you on the show. We’re gonna make it happen — Gavin Boby on PWR very soon! Great man! Obviously people have differences in the movement, but ironing out our differences and chatting politely is what we need to do.

So that about brings us the end of show. Do you have any last comments before we give your outro, Dan? Is there anything else you wish to say?

Iconoclast: Well I would just like to say that despite the negative atmosphere perhaps, of today, that it’s always a pleasure to speak to you Mark and Jason. And overall, when I look at this movements, like I said, I do see a movement of authenticity. We’re gonna have our differences within the movement with individuals, of course, we may make mistakes in the future. I mean, that’s just the natural course of things.

This is a new group, we’re trying to do, well we’re trying to do everything aren’t we? We’re trying to bring people together under one banner, under shared goals and targets, for the sort of country that we want to live in. The future we want to leave for our children.

And there’s gonna be conflict along the way. But I see these as positive things, because it’s necessary, isn’t it? We’re gonna get attacked by various people. But again you’ve got a shoulder that! You’ve got to take it on the chin and believe in what you’re doing! And get on with what you’re doing and not be distracted and thrown off course by what other people think of you.

And again, I mean, it’s like you said to me over the phone Mark, this lockdown kind of has people going a bit stir-crazy. People are getting triggered, shall I say, over very minor things. And it’s not healthy for everyone. The sooner this is over the better. And we can get back to doing what we were doing before.

And all I will say is I’m very optimistic about this movement, despite the little differences that we all have. And I can’t wait to see where we go in the future. And again thank you for having me on Mark. I hope to do it again with you very soon.

Mark Collett: Thank you very much would you like to give it just a shout-out quickly for your YouTube channel and everything, before you go?

Iconoclast: Oh yeah, I mean, just search for Iconoclast on YouTube you’ll be able to find it. And then all my links under my videos. And I would suggest that you sign up to Telegram and follow me there, because I’m having so much fun on that damn thing! It’s a great social media platform. It’s my go to platform now, so you’ll find the link to that under my videos. And I’ll see you there.

Mark Collett: Thank you. We have one last superchat from Jim Timonary, three US dollars. Thank you:

“Jason the rest of humanity don’t think in binary terms like that. Even the most supremacist people on earth, don’t view all goyim as the same. They view Whites needing to be made stateless. I think they…”

I think that he’s saying that they think we need to be made stateless. Sorry that’s, … I think it’s a typo there. But thank you very much for the super chat. And Jason, give yourself a little outro my friend. Tell us who’s on tap and when it starts.

No White Guilt: Well Tap, we’re not sure who’s on yet. But it’s gonna be somebody totally amazing. I can assure you. And it’ll be on Saturday I think, perhaps on Friday. We’ll see though. And I hope to see you all there. I do want to say that just on the back of Dan’s words here that there’s a flip side to what happened these past few days, that came to light and what we had to address. And that flip side is something that although the lesson, and lessons in life are often learned this way, they are most difficult. Sometimes they are extraordinarily painful.

And for everyone involved there’s a lesson for Woes, there’s a lesson for us. There’s a lesson for those at the leadership and PA.

And I think ladies and gentlemen we can say that beyond a shadow of a doubt, that fate tested us in this, and that we passed that test.

I want to thank Dan for his great service to White will being. And if we can let’s get him a round of raucous emojis, applauds, and all! Thank you very much for your service to White well my dear friend! And I will pass it back to Mark.

Mark Collett: Thank you by much. So thank you to Dan. Thank you to Jason, as always. And tonight if you want more nationalism which I’m sure you do, we have a great stream with Unwashed. I believe he’s on Dlive. And I’ve got DLive channel so look me up there too! He is on with Calamity tonight, at 9 p.m.

So if you want more nationalism, scoot over there now! Get your bums over there, because he’s starting very soon.

I would like to thank everybody who has donated so generously. Very, very kind. And if anyone wants to donate after the show please do so via Bitcoin. You can find the address in the description of the show.

I would like to say I’ll be back on Friday with Laura Towler. We will be doing a special stream about positive plans and other positive initiatives that we are starting with PA. That is to be a positive stream. It is to focus on [120:01] positive things. And it is to basically draw a line under many of the events we’ve discussed tonight, and move forward in a positive way, because that is what we need to do.

We have discussed everything we need to tonight. And I don’t wish to revisit this again!

So thank you for bearing with me and thank you for discussing this with me at length.

Finally, before we wrap up, I do want to say thank you to everyone who has been here, and everyone who was listened, and everyone who’s taken the time to support the movement. And I do think this has been a difficult time for our people.

There’s been a lot of interesting developments since this lockdown started. And this lockdown hasn’t helped people, hasn’t helped their mental state.

But we will get through this! We will come out the other side. We will start organizing as soon as we do. And we will become far, far stronger. And we will build a real life network. And that will be happening as soon as this lockdown ends.

That just leaves me to say thank you again Dan. Thank you again Jason. Thank you to everyone who donated and, of course, thank you to everyone who’s tuned in. This community is the reason that people like myself, Jason, and Dan, are here. The strength we gained from this community is immense. I love you all! Thank you so much for the support. Stay safe! I hope you have a wonderful evening, and I will see you on Friday.

Thank you very much. Good night and head over to see Unwashed on DLive with Calamity. Thank you.

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