[Rikki Doolan who created an entity and website called British Lives Matter (BRLM) this July, hosts a live debate between himself and Laura Towler, the Deputy Leader of Patriotic Alternative, while being moderated by Simon Evans.
Rikki Doolan titled the debate as “inclusive patriotism versus exclusive patriotism”, which is another way of saying “civic nationalism versus ethno-nationalism“, which is another way of saying “globalism versus nationalism“, which I would say is another way of saying “New World Order/Organized jewry versus the people“.
The debate got off to a strong start with Towler describing what nationalism meant, and how the native British people are being slowly but surely replaced by non-Whites that will lead to them becoming an outright minority in their own lands by 2060 if present trends continue. This is already a reality in several British cities, with London being the prime example.
The debate then went all over the place as Doolan failed to debate in good faith through playing silly buggers with definitions of what it means to be “British” and other terms. Things eventually got back on track when Doolan finally made clear that his definition of what being “British” meant to him was anyone who legally lived in Britain regardless of their race, religion, etc. By his definition the “British” could never become a minority, since whoever lived in the UK at any point in time were “British” by definition, even if, I suppose, the UK was 100% African.
Doolan predictably, as a supporter of Israel and jews, played the Nazi card, the racist card, and the anti-semitism card, while implying that Towler and PA were promoting an ideology that was the same that led to the alleged, but evidence lacking, “Holocaust” that “killed 8 million jews“! Jews are known to charge interest, so I guess the standard mythical 6 million must increase over time!
It is apparent that Doolan cares not a wit about the real British people, to the point that he actively welcomes their slow motion genocide through mass invasion and the higher birthrates of those invaders, all the while accusing Towler and PA being supporters of “evil” and of being a “danger” to the “British” people! Perhaps he should stop looking in the mirror?
It is also apparent that Towler, in stark contrast, does genuinely care about the real British people, and through PA has a plan to prevent the nightmarish trend of White genocide from becoming a reality.
As people, and their arguments, the two debaters came across to me as polar opposites. Doolan acted like a used car salesman (apologies to those honest ones) who played sharp word games and engaged in gas-lighting to sell long-term death of their race to the British people. Towler simply told it straight, that if the British people want to survive they need to wake up and resist the genocidal plans that are in place and being carried out daily now.
Rikki Doolan vs Laura Towler
British Lives Matter Live Debate
Aug 6, 2020
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Published on Aug 6, 2020
British Lives Matter
Inclusive Patriotism Vs Exclusive Patriotism
Patriot Vs Ethno Nationalist
Rikki Doolan Vs Laura Towler
A debate of ideology and patriotism for the United Kingdom
Rikki Doolan’s Introduction of the Moderator and Laura Towler
Rikki: Hello everybody. And welcome to this live broadcast! My name is Ricky Doolin. And this is the British Lives Matter live broadcast. The first ever live debate in the history of British Lives Matter! So it’s a great honor to be here. And a great honor to be here with you!
And, without further ado, I’m going to first introduce the moderator for today. And we’re live right now on YouTube. And we’re live right now on Periscope and Twitter. So, if you’re on them platforms just share the broadcast. Let’s get some more people engaged in this debate.
And this is an important debate. It’s a debate that many people have run away from. It’s a debate that people did not want to see happen. And it’s happening! They’re not doing this type of debate on the MSM, but they’re doing it right here, live and direct!
So I’m gonna first bring in the moderator for today. Of course, today the debate is between myself and Laura Towler of Patriotic Alternative. And we have a moderator. I’m going to bring in right now. And he’s going to make sure that everything flows well, and he’s got a structure that he’s going to explain to you how it’s going to work. And I want to introduce a YouTuber. His name is Simon Paul Evans! Welcome to the broadcast Simon!
Simon: How you doing mate?
Rikki: Very good. Thank you first of all for moderating tonight’s debate. We appreciate you’re coming in and, you know, spending your time, using your time to moderate this. And hope it’s going to be a really good debate. And can you tell the people let the people know the structure of how we are going to [word unclear] this.
Simon: The structure is basically a free talk between you and Laura. I’ll get involved in as little as possible. If basically you start shouting at each other, I’d [word unclear] stop you. If you’re being disingenuous, and you’d have to be particularly disingenuous, I’ll stop you, because it’s all about everybody here listening to what you two say, and how well you do. And I’ve never actually spoken to you before. I think it was last night you said:
That was it for two minutes, right? And Laura said:
To me before. But as for that, that’s about as much as I know about the pair of you. So this is why I’ve been asked in.
I know nothing about what you’re gonna be talking about tonight. And that’s better that way. You two have your own topic of conversation, what you particularly want to do. I’m there to make sure that you do it fairly. That is it! That is what I’m here for. And basically may the best person win.
Rikki: Thank you. So now, without further ado, let me introduce from Patriotic Alternative, Laura Towler!
Laura: Hey! Oh wow, I’m really close to the camera! [laughter] how’s it going?
Rikki: Very good. Well, thank you as well to you Laura for accepting this debate. There was a lot of debate going on Twitter and in the comments and a lot was said over the last kind of seven days. And I think it was the right thing to do to have this debate. So I’m really happy that you accepted. And, you know much respect to you, and I know many people didn’t want this to happen. I was even getting messages yesterday from people trying to dissuade this to happen. And, you know what can be bad about a healthy discussion over other ideology and all sorts? So thank you Laura for coming here.
Laura: No problem. Well, thank you for inviting me. Not many people are willing to talk to people with different views. And also thank you to you Simon, because I know you’ve been working really hard. And you’re really busy lately. Thank you.
Simon: No worries! [laughter]
Rikki: All right, so I think we’ll hand over to you Simon. Say whatever you want to say and how you want to get this thing started.
First Question — What’s Your Views on Immigration?
Simon: Right. Well okay, I mean, everybody the first question people are going to say is, what’s your views on immigration? Now this goes to both of you. So what would do, as you’re the host, you can wait, because she’s a lady. You go first Laura!
Well, how do you feel about immigration? What would you do to change immigration? Would you stop it? Would you curtail it? How would you deal with it?
PA — Laura’s Opening Statement — on Nationalism
Laura: Well, I’ve wrote an initial statement, if that’s okay? Which does cover immigration. It details what my concerns are. And then what I think the country would be like. Would it be okay to read my statement?
Laura: Yeah? Okay. So I just wanted to introduce myself to the audience, and say that my name is Laura Towler. And I am the Deputy Leader of an organization called Patriotic Alternative. And I know that Rikki pitted this debate as being “inclusive patriotism versus exclusive patriotism”, which is something I’ve never heard before.
But basically I’m here today representing nationalism.
So nationalism is the belief that all groups of people have the right to their own home. So this is a home where their people can flourish, and then their culture can flourish as an extension of that. A home where their children can be away from harm and conflict. And a home where they can govern themselves and have self-determination.
So I believe that the British have a right to that, just as every other group has a right to that. This does not mean that Britain has to be 100% White, it simply means that we, the British, should be the majority in our own country.
So at the moment Britain is around 75% White British. So this is a figure which has dropped from 82% in 2011, and from 86% in 2001. So the share of British people in Britain continues to fall at a rate of around five to ten percent per decade.
And if we look at England, then the figures are actually much worse! British people are already a minority, so less than 50% of the population, in our capital city, London, in Leicester, Luton, Slough, Birmingham, etc., etc. Cities all over the country. And these are cities which are high in crime, and low in community cohesion and social trust.
PA — If Trends Continue the British People Will Be a Minority by 2060
So basically if things continue as they are doing, with regards to immigration figures and fertility rates, then by the year 2060 British people will be a minority in the whole of the United Kingdom.
By 2037 British children will be a minority in English schools.
And by 2027 more than half of the babies which are born in England and Wales will be non-British. That’s only seven years away, until more than half of the babies born in England and Wales are non-British!
So anybody who tells you that this does not matter is ignoring reality, science, evolution, and nature!
If there’s one thing that the recent BLM riots taught us, it’s that many black people living in Britain relate more to a black man in America, than they do to the British people that they live among.
Studies show that every single group of people, apart from White people, have a strong ethnic identity and in-group preference. So blacks Chinese, Muslims, jews, etc., all encourage each other to collectivize, and they defend themselves, and progress themselves, as a group. They are allowed to be proud of who they are. Yet White people are told to act as individuals.
The idea that a Pakistani man could be Japanese, is rightly ludicrous, but we are told that anybody can be British. You just have to have a piece of paper issued by the government!
As our share of the population continues to drop, and as non-British people are lifted into positions of power through diversity quotas, and inclusion policies, things will continue to worsen for us. More, and more, of our people will continue to feel like a stranger in their own home. Crime will continue to rise, more statues will be torn down. There will be further demands for reparations, and for us to “take the knee”. Our history will be continued to be rewritten. The censorship of dissident voices will continue. And our children will continue to be overlooked at best, and indoctrinated, or abused, at worse!
If this is how bad things already are, when we are only 75% of the population, then what will things be like when we are 50% of the population, or less?
PA — “Inclusive Patriotism”, is a Naive and Infantile — BRLM Have Wrapped Globalism in a Union Flag and Called It “Patriotism”
Suggesting that all the different races and ethnic groups living in Britain will suddenly just forget who they are and will come together under liberalism, and “inclusive patriotism”, is a naive and infantile thought!
We all know decent individuals from different races, but we are not talking about individuals here. We are talking about millions of people. And we have to look at the trends, and the behavior, of the overall group.
Inclusive patriotism endorses the demographic replacement of my people, the British. Inclusive patriotism does not care about the British, because it attempts to dismantle our identity, our communities, and it puts our people at risk!
PA — Patriotic Alternative is Unapologetically on the Side of the British People
Ten days after the BRLM Facebook page was launched on the 28th of June, Rickki’s organization posted this:
“At BRLM we stand firmly with Israel as they move to reclaim the land that is rightly theirs.”
Yet BRLM do not share the same enthusiasm for the British, and our right to claim our land. I believe that BRLM have wrapped globalism in a union flag and called it “patriotism”. If anybody can be British, then being British means absolutely nothing! And nothing is exactly what “inclusive patriotism” stands for!
Organizations like BRLM will pretend to care about you.
They will present an issue to you such as three criminals not being deported, and they will allow you to get angry about that issue. They will act as a pressure valve directing your concern and anger towards that one issue, while at the same time, telling you to ignore that you are being demographically replaced in your own home!
BRLM care more about selling T-shirts and not being called racist, than they do about the future of Britain.
PA — Patriotic Alternative is Unapologetically on the Side of the British People
For those of you who want to address the serious issues that our nation faces, there is an alternative. An alternative that genuinely cares about the British and our right to self-determination in our own country. I am unapologetically on the side of the British people. And if you are too, then you are welcome to join us at Patriotic Alternative. Thank you.
Simon: Excellent! Right. Somebody’s echoing. So we’ve got to go to you and ask you how would you deal with immigration? And how do you feel about immigration? And then also give you the chance to answer what Laura’s just said there. Because that was quite a bit! [chuckling] So, over to you.
BRLM — Sees a Problem Only with Illegal Immigration
Rikki: All right. Let me first address what you said which is immigration. So there’s no question and my position with BRLM that we have a problem! Everybody knows we have a problem with illegal immigration! They’re coming, 200,000 a year, according to the records. It’s more than likely more. And it’s something that is not good. And it’s not good, because it’s not controlled! So people are coming in as we see every single day on boats, arriving at Dover with no IDs. In fact, we saw videos today, throwing identification into the ocean! Right? So they’re coming in no ID, no background checks! And there is no way that we know what their intentions are, what their skill levels are, what their past education, criminal records are! So we — and I think Laura will agree — that we have a problem with illegal immigration!
Now! Where I have a problem with the stance of Laura and Patriotic Alternative, is they’re not just interested in illegal immigration! They’re interested in immigration as a total! And not just immigration as in new immigrants that are coming in. People that are in this country, that have immigrated maybe this generation, or second generation, or third generation!
BRLM — PA is Dangerous to the Fabric of Society in Britain!
In fact, Patriotic Alternative want to knock on people’s doors and tell people to leave, simply because according to Patriotic Alternative they are not ethnically British! I mean, it’s a ludicrous idea! It’s a sensationalist idea! And it’s an idea that is dangerous to the fabric of society in Britain!
In fact, I would say that “Black Lives Matter” and the extremists on the “Black Lives Matter” side, such as the FF Fast, I mean, the FF Force, are just as dangerous as Patriotic Alternative! In fact, they’re two polar opposites of dangerous movements and groups in the country of Britain. And they both should be treated and viewed as dangerous organizations!
BRLM — We Have a Problem with Immigration But Not with Immigrants
So yes, we have a problem with immigration, but definitely we don’t have a problem with immigrants!
Simon: So. Okay, so you view Patriotic Alternative as a “dangerous organization”? The what you are saying?
Rikki: Very, very, dangerous!
Simon: Right. Okay.
BRLM — PA is Dangerous Because They Believe in an “Ethnically White Britain”!
Rikki: And the reason why they’re so dangerous, is because they believe in an “ethnically White Britain”! Now, they’re painting their picture very, very, clean, and very nice! But if you really look into their rhetoric, if you really look into their manifesto that they’ve put on their website, they believe in a White Britain! Because they talk about “indigenous” people!
BRLM — How Do PA Clarify Indigenous People?
So, what, how do they clarify indigenous people? They do it by skin color! So anybody who hasn’t got a skin color of White, or is not White British, is in danger to the manifesto and the policies that Patriotic Alternative are presenting! They’re in danger in one way, because they’ll be asked to leave!
Simon: Okay, right. Laura how do you answer that?
Laura: Well first of all, not all White people are British. So there are people who exist, such as the Polish, the Spanish, the Italians, the Swedish, etc. We want a Britain that is British! Not just to Britain that is White.
Rikki: How do you define “British?” [over-speaking]
BRLM — There Will Have to Be a Knock, or Letter, on the Door
Laura: Can you please provide me with your thoughts? I’m not wanting to knock on people’s doors and ask every single non-White person to leave. Where did you get that from?
Rikki: How would you do it?
Laura: No, you’ve made that up! Rikki,
Rikki: No. I’ve not made it up!
Laura: Yes you have! You’ve made that up!
Simon: Hang on. Rikki is there a source?
Laura: Where did you get it from?
PA — We Are Talking About Voluntary Repatriation with Incentives
Rikki: Your website says, right? That there will be a financial package that’s offered to anybody who’s not ethnically White British, or indigenous, or can prove a link to indigenous British people. So how are you going to do it? How are you going to do it? There will have to be a knock, or letter, on the door.
Laura: What part of that is knocking on people’s doors and saying that if you’re not White you have to leave? What we’re talking about here is voluntary repatriation. Why do you think you have the right to stop somebody from leaving the country, if they want to leave the country? If we’re offering generous financial incentives for people to leave, and somebody says:
“Do, you know what? I don’t like the way that you’ve changed Britain anymore, I’ll accept some money and I’ll leave!”
Why do you think you have the right to tell people who want to leave that they’re not allowed to leave?
Rikki: Who are you going to select to choose to offer to?
Laura: Anybody who’s not British, that wants to leave the country, if PA were in power, is allowed voluntary repatriation.
BRLM — How Do You Establish Who’s Not British?
Rikki: How do you establish who’s not British?
Laura: What do you mean? So now you’re pretending that the British don’t exist?
Rikki: No, I’m asking you a very simple question, how do you establish who’s not British?
Laura: The British are a northwest European ethnic group. So it’s the English, the Scottish, the Welsh, etc.
Rikki: Okay. And what about myself? All right, my grandparents, grandparents came from the Republic of Ireland. Do I need to go back to Ireland?
Laura: Okay. So what ethnicity are your mom and your dad?
Rikki: They’re British!
Laura: Well, if they’re British then you wouldn’t be offered voluntary repatriation now. If you were non-British then you could take it, if you wanted to. But you wouldn’t have to.
Rikki: So what about two young British children, let’s say 16 year olds. Two 16 year olds, their parents have came here from Africa, they were born and raised here, they only know Britain, they don’t know anything about Africa, they don’t know anything about the language, are they allowed to stay here?
Laura: Anyone who wants to stay is allowed to stay. It’s voluntary repatriation!
Rikki: But will they be asked to leave?
Laura: No. If they wanted to take volunteer repatriation they could take the offer, but they would not be asked to leave.
Rikki: Okay. But would they be offered the voluntary repatriation?
PA — Every Non-British, Would Be Offered Voluntary Repatriation
Laura: Every single person in the country who’s non-British, would be offered voluntary repatriation.
Rikki: What I’m trying to get to the bottom of, is how are you establishing a non-British? Are them two people, I’ve just talked about, the two kids that were born and raised here, with parents who came from Africa, are they British?
Laura: No! They’re African!
Rikki: How are they African?
Laura: What do you mean, “How are they African”? If I was born in China, would I be Chinese?
Rikki: Yeah, but I told you they’re born in Britain.
Laura: Yeah. But if I was, … So I’m saying if I was born in China, would I be Chinese?
Rikki: Well, what’s that got to do with these two kids, that are born here?
Laura: Because these Africans, who were born in Britain, and you’re saying that they’re British, because their mum gave birth to them here!
Rikki: Okay, so they’re African?
Laura: They’re African.
Rikki: They’ve never been to Africa. They don’t know anything about the language, the food, the culture. They only know Britain! They were born here, they were raised here, they went through school here, they only know Britain! But they’re, but you’re saying they’re African and they potentially should go back to Africa?
Laura: I’m saying that they’re African. And if they want to go back to Africa they can. I know people who are Pakistani who live in Britain, because I lived in Bradford for two years, they don’t call themselves British. They say:
“I’m a Pakistani! And I have a British passport.”
BRLM — What About Pakistanis Born in Britain?
Rikki: What about Pakistanis that do call themselves British?
Laura: If you called them British, they’d be offended! Because they’re not British, they’re Pakistani.
Rikki: What about those that do call themselves British?
Laura: Well, it doesn’t matter, they’re not! They’re British citizens, they’ve got British passports, but they’re not British.
Rikki: Well they’re not British?
Laura: No. They’re not British.
Rikki: What if, … Okay, let’s put it this way. What if the parents came from Pakistan, they gave birth to children. Them children grew up. They had kids. Are their kids British?
Laura: You can’t “become” British! You’re either British, because your parents are British, or you’re not.
Rikki: Okay. But I’ve just explained how their parents are British.
Laura: Their parents aren’t British! Their parents are Pakistani.
Rikki: Ohh! So no matter how many generations of children they have, they can’t be British?
Laura: Yeah. That’s right.
Rikki: So that means that over 11 million people in this country are not British at all!
Laura: That is right.
Rikki: Even though they were born here, their parents were born here, their parents, parents were born here, they’re not British?
Laura: That is right.
BRLM — Not Only a Divisive Ideology, but It’s Absolutely Bat Crazy!
Rikki: I think that’s a, it’s not only a divisive ideology! But it’s absolutely bat crazy!
Laura: Why is it bat crazy?
Rikki: How can you say that? Why would, how could you, …
Laura: I think you calling a Japanese, …
Rikki: [word unclear] like that.
Laura: I think you calling a Japanese person British is mental!
Rikki: It is divisive! Any of the BLM movements, of any of the identity politics that we see in the modern day, it’s a really dangerous rhetoric!
PA — What’s Dangerous is You Dismantling My Identity
Laura: I think what’s dangerous is you dismantling my identity and saying that being British is just being born somewhere.
Rikki: You are dismantling 11 million people’s identity!
Laura: Or having a passport. You think that being British is just having a piece of paper from the government! It’s so much more than that. We’re a distinct group of people.
PA — If I Wear a Grass Skirt, and Dance Around in New Zealand Am I a Maori?
If I was born in New Zealand. And I had a New Zealand passport, and I liked to wear a grass skirt, and dance around, and I was like:
“Oh, you know what? I’m just as Maori as you lot!”
That would be so offensive! Because they’re a distinct group of people, and I respect them as a distinct group of people.
And the British, my people, are a distinct group of people too. And that doesn’t mean that we can’t be respectful of other people. But it just means that they’re not British. Because if anyone can be British, then being British means absolutely nothing! If all it takes is a piece of paper from the government, then it’s a worthless identity, isn’t it?
Rikki: Yeah, I mean, you mentioned this piece of paper thing. And you keep mentioning New Zealand, Japan. So if you were born in, if you immigrated to New Zealand right now, and you had children in New Zealand, they’d be seen as New Zealanders! And I’m very sure, ..
Laura: My children would be British!
Rikki: They would identify as New Zealanders.
Laura: No children would be British!
Rikki: And their children would identify as New Zealanders, they wouldn’t try and identify as Maori. So you’re twisting things up there, to try and fit your narrative.
Laura: I’ll tell what Rikki, can you explain to me what it means to be British? Is it just if you’re born here?
BRLM — You Are British If You Live in and Respect This Country
Rikki: What it means to be British is, if you’re born here. But not only if you’re born here, if you live here, if you respect this country, if you’ve moved to this country, if you’ve committed this country, …
Laura: Okay. So, …
Rikki: And you’ve been given British citizenship, you have every single right, just as much as you!
Rikki: To claim to be British!
Laura: So Salman Abedi, who murdered 22 people in the Manchester Arena bombing, he was born in Manchester and he lived here all his life. Is he British?
Rikki: He was British!
Laura: Right. So I just want your audience to confirm the fact that you think, … Your idea of patriotism, ..
Rikki: I don’t think, ..
Laura: Includes terrorists, ..
Rikki: No! No! We’re talking about nationality!
Simon: Hang on! Hang on there. No, no. The fact that he was a terrorist, the fact that he was born over here, right? He wasn’t a terrorist when he was born. Anybody can turn into a complete wankery turd, right? However I don’t agree, that wasn’t a fair thing what you just said Laura, there. I’m just saying.
Laura: I’m just making a point that according to Rikki’s definition of what it means to be British, this includes people who hate us! This includes people who aren’t even British, who hate everything about our country and want to attack us!
Rikki: So Britishness is defined whether somebody hates or not?
Simon: Hang on! Here’s a question. Can you renounce your Britishness? Is there people here, that were born and bred here, that their family have been here for three generations, that now believe now, that they’re not British, and that they’re from, …
Say for instance their family is from Pakistan. Do they now believe, even though their mum was born here, and they were born here, that they’re now Pakistani, and they hate Britain? Because personally, I believe that’s the case. But I mean, I’ll put it to you sir. How do you feel about that? Do you believe that’s the case?
BRLM — Even Terrorists, If Born Here, Are Still British
Rikki: Well first of all, I mean, Laura went for the extreme example. And let’s just first of all address that, right?
No matter how much that Manchester bomber hated this country, no matter how much Salman Abedi hated this country, they were born and raised here, they were British citizens. They are British! Unless they say otherwise! What they’re doing, their acts are against Britain! Against the British people! It is against the thread of this nation! It’s an evil against this country! In fact, they’re enemies to this country. But you can’t take away the fact that they were born here! It’s simple as that!
BLRM — Laura Envisions a 95% White British Population!
Now, what Laura is trying to do, is trying to say that it’s only indigenous British people that have the rights that she’s talking about here. And she talks about a majority, where if you watch Laura’s speech that she did at the Patriotic Alternative annual get together. She actually says, she envisions a 95% White British population! That means millions of people need to leave this country!
Now the question is, after you’ve offered your incentives, and every single one of them says “no!”, what are you going to do?
Laura: Well, when you’re a movement, or a political party, you put forward a strategy that you think is going to work. So the strategy that we’ve put, and I’m assuming you’ve done your research and read our 25 point plan, ..
Rikki: And I’m telling you, your strategy doesn’t work!
PA — PA’s Plan Is About Changing the Culture Within Britain
Laura: Well I’m answering your question.
What you do is you put forward a strategy. We’ve got 25 points in our plan, and only one of them is about repatriation. The other 24 are about changing the culture within Britain. So we envision that when we offer voluntary repatriation, the people who will take it will be those who either don’t speak English, sponge off the system, hate our country, demand reparations, attack us, all that kind of stuff. And the ones who choose to stay will be the ones who love Britain and the British.
So we envision that our plan will work. That’s why we put put forward our plan. But did you want me to answer a question Simon about the Pakistanis?
Simon: I did, but we’ve moved on a bit since then. So, …
Laura: Can I just ask Rickki a question?
Laura: So Rikki, all those people who were in the BLM riots, who were like pulling down statues and setting fire to the flag, and that. Just to clarify, they’re British to you, is that right?
Rikki: I don’t know if they’re British, or not. I don’t know where they’re from.
Laura: You don’t know. Okay. So say if they had British passports, those people to you were British?
Rikki: If they were born here and they have British passports, of course, they’re British. What else are they?
Laura: So when you say “British lives matter” your patriotism also includes people like that?
Rikki: All lives matter! Their actions are wrong. And their actions are against the thread of this nation and society. But are they British is your question? And the answer is yes, they are!
Laura: Yeah, and I’m asking when are say British lives matter, ..
Rikki: Listen. You’re trying to paint a different picture here.
Laura: But this is who you’re talking about.
BRLM — Inclusive Patriotism Is Patriotism That is Accessible to All Skin Colors, Religions, and Backgrounds
Rikki: Now let me tell you the truth about inclusive patriotism, all right? It’s a patriotism that is accessible to all skin colors, religions, and backgrounds, of people that live in this country, that we can be proud together of this nation, of the flag, of this culture! And it’s a united force, rather than a dividing force, which is what you are proposing! Which is that patriotism is only accessible to native White British people!
Do you not see the racism in that? Do you not see the divisive nature of that type of statement?
Laura: There’s no such thing as “inclusive patriotism”.
Rikki: Absolutely there is!
PA — If Your Patriotism Extends to People from the Whole World, Then It’s Not Patriotism
Laura: If your patriotism extends to people from the whole world, then it’s not patriotism, is it?
Rikki: I said people of Britain!
Laura: If your flag represents a nation which includes anybody and everybody — bearing in mind that around two-thirds of a million people are coming to this country every single year — then you actually stand for absolutely nothing at all!
Rikki: I stand for Britain, and I stand for, ..
Laura: And that’s why I’m glad that I’m part of Patriotic Alternative, because we stand for the indigenous people of these islands!
Rikki: Only stand for indigenous people?
Laura: Yes I do! May I ask you another question?
Rikki: Who are these indigenous people? [over-talking each other]
Simon: Hang on! One at a time.
BRLM — Are the Indigenous People Only White People?
Rikki: Who are the indigenous people? Are they the White people?
Laura: The British, yeah.
Rikki: Do you stand for black people?
Laura: British people are White!
Rikki: Do you stand for black people?
Laura: I wish all other people well, but my people are the British. And PA stands for them.
Rikki: You stand for Asian people in this country?
Laura: What do you mean:
“Do I stand for them?”
Rikki: Like, do you stand for them?
Laura: A small amount of immigrants is okay, but they’re not my people. I put my people first.
Rikki: Okay. All right.
Simon: To clarify that. You stand for your people and your people are White British. That’s what you are saying.
Simon: Right, okay. And what you’re saying here is you stand for anybody who perceives, or thinks, or feels, or are, as the “legal” says, are British? Is that correct?
Rikki: No I didn’t say that, I said, ..
Simon: No, but I’m asking you but putting that, …
Rikki: I’m going to tell you. I stand for the people of Britain! All right? The people of Britain!
Simon: Now, do you believe that a black person born in Great Britain, or that comes to Great Britain, could be more patriotic than a White person that’s been here for years, who’s an absolute tosser?
Laura: Is this to me?
Simon: Well, I’m going to put it in both you actually, because this is a reasonable question. So I’ll put it to you Laura first.
PA — You Have Your People, and You Should Be Loyal to Your People
Laura: Yeah, I think if we’re looking at individuals they’re a good and bad in all races. And some White people are assholes, but you can’t look at individuals, you have to look at the trends of the overall group. And, you know what you also can’t just pick the best people from each country, because that’s not fair. That’s not how this works. You have your people, and you should be loyal to your people.
Simon: Over to you Rikki.
BRLM — Patriotic Alternative, They Are the Definition of Racism!
Rikki: Yeah, 100%. I would rather stand with somebody who is patriotic, without looking at their skin color! The thing that matters is does somebody care about this nation? Does somebody care about this nation progressing? This nation prospering? If they do, then that’s the person I want to stand with.
I don’t want to stand with somebody who wants to divide this nation, who wants to racially segregate this nation! Who wants to discriminate against people, because of race! Which actually is the definition of racism!
So if you look at what Laura is talking about, and Patriotic Alternative, they are the definition of racism! And I can’t stand that word being thrown around as much as it is, in the modern day. And it really loses a lot of its value. But if anybody in this country of Great Britain wants to see racism, they just need to look at Laura and Patriotic Alternative. They’ll find it.
PA — It’s More About the Individual, Than the Collective?
Laura: So Ricky, do you support “individualism”? Is that right? It’s more about the individual, than the collective?
Rikki: It’s more, … I’ll judge individuals on their merits.
Laura: Yeah, so, ..
Rikki: Listen, I haven’t finished. The “collective” is the people of Britain.
Rikki: That is the collective. And we need to reinstall patriotism in this country! What you’re doing, is you’re removing the accessibility of patriotism to anybody who’s not White! That is wrong! And that’s what’s destroying this country!
PA — Your Go Fund Me Page Says That You Support “Individualism”
Laura: Yeah. So on your GoFundMe page, where you’re trying to raise ten thousand pounds, it says that you support “individualism”. So it matters who an individual person is, and other groups shouldn’t collectivize as a group.
So how would you break up groups from acting together? Because black people, Muslims, jews, etc., have a very strong ethnic identity, and in-group preference. So how would you break that up, and tell them to act as individuals? Because you’re saying White people can’t collectivize. So what about other groups? How would you break that up?
BRLM — Promote Patriotism Through Education in the Schools
Rikki: Well I’ve just told you the unifying factor of all people of Britain, and that is patriotism, that is pride in this nation, that is passion for this country!
And the way that we do it, is we do it through education. The way that we do it is we go back to the schools. We go back to the universities. We introduce patriotism again. We fly the flag, we teach the anthem, we make patriotism something to be proud of! Something to be valued!
What’s happened in the last 10, 20, years, and maybe even further, is that they have disintegrated patriotism, and they have moved it into subgroups, and subcultures.
Yes! Their mass immigration was part of that. And yes, they did have immigration with a bad strategy, with too many people at once, in too many batches. And they need to stop this illegal immigration that’s happening now!
But what needs to happen for the future of this country is patriotism needs to be installed back in the country! Back in the education system! Back on our mainstream medias! And stop this focus on groups, minority groups, segregation of people into LGBTQ, into feminism, into religious groups, into this, into that! And we need to stand together and be united and proud to be British!
Laura: Yeah, these are just empty words that mean nothing!
Rikki: They’re not empty words, how do you, …
PA — Jews, for Example, They Have a Very Strong In-Group Preference
Laura: If you look at jews, for example, they have a very, very, very strong in-group preference. And you suddenly think by sending them to university, or watching something on TV, that they’re going to forget their in-group preference and just be like:
“Yeah guys! We’re all individuals! Let’s unite under the flag!”
Why does White flight exist?
Rikki: White what?
PA — Why Does White Flight Exist?
Laura: Why does White flight exist?
Rikki: White flight?
Laura: White flight, yeah. So when a town becomes more urban, and more multicultural, why do White people move away? And move to a more White place.
Simon: Can we put slow mode on the chat, because it’s going so quick that they can’t, they’ve asked me to put slow mode on the chat. Can you do that?
Rikki: On which chat? On the YouTube, or?
Simon: Yeah on YouTube chat.
Rikki: Yeah, there’s a moderator who’s doing it.
Simon: Cool! Lovely! Okay I just thought I’d ask this. At the moment I can’t keep up with it! They’ve got questions, okay.
Rikki: Now Laura, hang on a minute. You haven’t even told me, … Oh, White flight. Okay.
Laura: Why does White flight exist?
BRLM — Where’s Your Evidence That White Flight Exists?
Rikki: Where’s your evidence that White flight exists? I haven’t seen anything about White flight.
Laura: Well assume for one moment that it does. And I’ll send you some evidence after the debate.
Simon: White flight from where? From Great Britain? Or from cities?
Laura: From cities that become diverse, White people tend to move out to more quiet villages and places which are less diverse. Why does that exist?
Rikki: You tell me! You’re the one who’s making that claim. And listen, the brunt of evidence, …
Laura: It’s, because people don’t mix naturally and they prefer their own people. Can you tell me what incentives an ethnic minority living in Britain have to adopt your form of patriotism? What incentive have they got? Why would they do that?
Rikki: Like I said it starts in the school! Why would they not do it?
Laura: Because there’s no reason for them to do it!
Simon: Hang on!
Rikki: What they’re doing right now is they’re indoctrinating children in school, right? They’re indoctrinating them with ideas of 100 genders, ideas of activism, ideas of reducing masculinity, a lot of different things that are coming from political groups, right? Which I believe is wrong! Well not just me, the law believes it’s wrong! 1996 Education Act, they’re not supposed to indoctrinate children. But they are!
Why are they doing it, and how are they achieving it? Because children can be taught things! So children need to be taught patriotism! They need to be taught to be proud of this nation. And they can be.
Laura: So what you’re talking about here, is just dismantling thousands, and thousands, of years of in-group preference for certain races and ethnic groups, and just saying we’re going to dismantle that in some universities. There’s no incentive for you to do it, but you will support our flag in our country even though that means absolutely nothing. I think it’s incredibly naive for you to think that, ..
Rikki: Who does it mean nothing to? Who does it mean nothing to?
PA — 19,000 British Children, Boys and Girls, Were Groomed, Tortured, and Raped, Last Year!
Laura: It means nothing to people who already have their own identity. They’re not going to start going:
“You know what, yeah Ricky, let’s just support the British flag, and I won’t identify as a jew anymore, or as a Chinese person anymore. I’m just going to adopt the flag!”
We had 19,000 British children, boys and girls, were groomed, tortured, and raped, last year! And many of the abusers said that they did this, because they saw White girls as “easy meat”.
So how long do we have to wait until this colorblind society that you promote kicks in? Because it’s not kicking in any time soon.
Rikki: First of all. First of all, the grooming gangs, right? They are child rapists! All right? They’re child rapists! And they’re also racists! Because they target White girls. They don’t target children of the Asian communities, …
Simon: Sikh girls, as well.
BRLM — You’re Trying to Use Identity Politics to Prove a Point!
Rikki: And the reason why, is they said they will get in trouble by their communities, all right.
But that doesn’t take anything away from the White person, the Asian person, the black person, that’s committing rape, that’s committing trafficking, that’s committing any other heinous crime!
What you’re trying to do, is you’re trying to use identity politics to prove a point that all black and brown people are wrong to be in this country! I tell you who’s wrong to be in this country. You! And I don’t care about your how you want to go about your DNA, or how you want to go about anything! But you and your organization Patriotic Alternative, you’re a danger to this country, and this society!
And I’m telling you now your ideology is not going to work. But anyway, I’ve already heard that you guys are crumbling from the inside. So that’s okay.
Laura: Well, that’s not true at all! We’re actually growing. We are going from strength to strength. So just to confirm, ..
Rikki: So the bulldog nationalists agree with you?
Laura: What do you mean? So people disagree on certain things, but it doesn’t mean that PA is crumbling.
So can I just confirm, you do not care if the ethnic British become a minority in Britain. Is that right?
Rikki: I don’t think I’ve said that. You’re being disingenuous.
PA — If Native British People Became 50% of the Population by 2060, Would You Care?
Laura: Well I’m asking you can you confirm, if British people, native British people became 50% of the population, or less in Britain, would you care about that, or would you not care?
Rikki: Let me address that. Let me address that, right? Because according to you, your manifesto, and your rhetoric, at 2060 is around the period when you say that the British, …
Rikki: All right, so professor David Coleman said it, right? Let me just tell you something about that first. That is an estimation. It’s no fact! You presented it like it’s a fact. It’s not a fact! It’s an estimation!
Laura: It’s an estimation based on current treads.
Rikki: It’s an estimation!
Laura: It’s a prediction.
Rikki: I’ll tell you why is it an estimation. Because it hasn’t come to pass. And it’s more than likely not going to come to pass, if we do something about it now! And what we have to do is stop illegal immigration! We have to encourage birth rates to go up.
And listen, if you even look at the model in in Iran, all right? The Persian people for thousands of years, even all the way back to the Old Testament, and them times, have been attacked with real invasions! I mean, invasions with weapons! No, I’ve a point, …
Laura: Can you answer the question?
Rikki: Let me finish my point.
Simon: Hang, hang on! Rikki I’m not going to stop you, …
Rikki: For thousands of years the Persian people have not stopped being the majority in Iran! So for you to predict that in 2060 White British will be a minority.
Simon: Rikki, no. You’ve got to listen to this, right? What you’ve just said is that his estimations were wrong, but you said that.
Rikki: No! No! no! I said they’re an estimation, right?
Simon: Okay. His estimations would be correct if things continue, …
Rikki: How can they be correct?
Simon: Hang on! You’ve just said if we change them, they won’t be correct. All right? You said, if we change them they won’t be correct. And and you’re correct in saying that, if we change them. But if things stay the same, then they will be correct. I’ve got to pull you up on that.
Rikki: Well listen, no, no, she threw a hypothesis out, and I threw one back!
Laura: No. It’s a prediction based on current trends.
Rikki: All right, well I also throw out a prediction.
Laura: Okay, well let’s just for a moment forget whether it will, or will not happen. If it did happen, would you think that that was a bad thing, or a good thing? The British becoming a minority in Britain.
BRLM — If It Happens, It Happens! I Don’t Believe the British People Are Just White People!
Rikki: I think that if it happens, it happens! Because I believe the British people are the British people! I don’t believe the British people are just White people!
Laura: Okay, we’re talking about the native British! The English, Scottish Welsh, et cetera. If they became a minority in their country would you think that was a good thing, or a bad thing?
BRLM — Oh! So We’re Germans?
Rikki: Laura, who were the first British people?
Laura: Why can’t you answer the question?
Rikki: Who were the first British people?
Laura: British people are northwest European. So it was the Celts, who were here first, and then we had invasions, …
Rikki: You mean from Germany? From Germany?
Laura: That’s who we are, yeah.
Rikki: Oh! So we’re Germans?
Laura: We’re northwest Europeans, yeah. We came from Europe.
Rikki: So we are Germans?
Simon: But they weren’t called German then, were they?
Laura: As an English person, …
Rikki: Are you a moderator? Are you in this debate?
Simon: Sorry Shack! I’ll shut up!
Laura: Can you answer the question, Rikki? If the British became a minority in Britain — I’ve asked you four times now, …
Rikki: I already answered your question! I’ve answered the question! I don’t believe, and I know that British is not just White people! All right?
We are a country with many different skin colours, that have came from many different lineages! And I’ll tell you what! Some of them are way more British than you!
Laura: There are not different levels to being British. You’re either British are you not. So the audience wants to know if you think the British becoming a minority in Britain is a good thing, or not? You don’t seem, ..
Rikki: I’ve already answered the question, but, you, ..
Laura: If it happens, ..
Rikki: You talk like you have some great points that you’re trying to prove.
Laura: Why won’t you answer the question?
Rikki: Let me tell you something! Let me tell you something!
I am passionate about this nation! And I want the best for this nation! And I know many people with black skin, with different shades of skin, that want the same type of prosperity and good future for their children, and even their children’s, children in this country!
Laura: Okay, that is nice.
Rikki: No! Listen! That makes them just as much patriotic as you are, or me, ..
Laura: Okay. This was the last conversation. I’m now asking you about the actual, you know, the English, the Scottish, the Welsh, etc., the native British. If they became a minority in Britain, despite whether you believe it’s going to happen, or not, would you think that that was a good thing, or a bad thing?
Rikki: But I’ve just told you they can’t become a minority!
Laura: No I’m asking you, …
Rikki: How can they become a minority?
Laura: Simon! Do you understand the question? I’m saying if it happens, if we become less than, …
Rikki: No, I understand, …
Simon: Hang on. Ask the question again to me.
BRLM — The “British” People Can’t Become a “Minority” in 2060, Because the British People Are Made up of People of All Colors, Backgrounds, Religions!
Laura: So the native British, so the English, Scottish, Welsh, et cetera, the ethnically British, if we became less than 50% of the population in the future, so if we became a minority in Britain, would Rikki think that that was a good thing, or a bad thing?
Simon: And Rikki said as long as they think they’re British, or they’re happy, …
Rikki: I never said that!
Simon: Hang on! Hang on!
Rikki: You said that you are neutral!
Simon: I am neutral. But what you said is, :
“As long as they’re happy to be British, and they’re British, you don’t care what colour they are.”
Rikki: I didn’t say that.
Simon: Yeah, all right. Can you reword it then?
Rikki: I’m gonna do it, all right? I said that the British people won’t become a minority, because the British people are made up of people of all colors, backgrounds, religions! So how can they become a minority! It’s impossible! You’re talking about White people!
Laura: I’m asking you about the native people, …
Rikki: You’re talking about White people!
Laura: I’m asking you about the native British, you know, people who are ethnically British.
Rikki: You are talking about White people!
Laura: Yeah, ethnically British.
Rikki: Guess what? Britain is not just White anymore! Britain is not just White anymore!
Laura: Why don’t you answer the question? It’s actually like you want to hide this from your supporters, because you don’t want to admit that you don’t, …
Rikki: I’m not hiding anything!
Laura: So answer the question, then!
Rikki: I’ve told you the answer!
Laura: No you haven’t!
Rikki: I’ve told you the answer!
Laura: I’m talking about ethnically British! Would you care about, ..
Rikki: What your classification of what is ethnically British, is not British to me! British is many different skin colors, many different backgrounds!
Laura: So you don’t even recognize that there is ethnically British people? Is that where we are now?
Rikki: You’re talking about skin color!
Laura: I’m talking about ethnicity.
Rikki: You can wrap it up, you can wrap it up in ethnicity, and indigenous, as much as you want, you’re talking about people then.
Laura: If you think that the ethnicity is just people, …
Rikki: If you think that people can’t be British, … All right. Let me ask you this question. Can a black person be English?
Laura: No. English is an ethnicity!
Rikki: Is Rahem still English?
Rikki: Is Reo Ferdinand?
PA — Are British Are an Ethnic Group?
Laura: Do you not admit that the British are an ethnic group? I know you think everyone’s British. But do you think that you can be ethnically British.
Rikki: No, I don’t. I just think the people of Britain are British.
On DNA Tests
Laura: Do you do not agree that there is an ethnicity called British, as well? So when I took my DNA test, it said that I was British. Can you admit that’s a thing?
Rikki: Your DNA test said what?
Laura: That I was British. Can you admit that’s a thing?
Rikki: Your DNA test said what?
Laura: That I was British. Can you admit the that is a thing?
Rikki: How far does your DNA test go?
Laura: Why can’t you answer the question?
Rikki: And should everybody take a DNA test to prove that they’re British, in your Patriotic Alternative world?
Laura: No! People know what ethnicity they are.
Why can’t you answer the question? So you won’t answer! You won’t answer about the British becoming a minority in Britain, and you won’t even admit that the ethnically British exist! That we are an ethnic group! That’s how, …
And you call yourself a patriot? Do you have any political views?
BRLM — The British People No Matter Their Skin Colour Are British!
Rikki: … British people. No matter if they’re White, no matter if they’re black, no matter if they’re Asian, the British people are the British people! You’re trying to stand for a skin color! You can wrap it up in ethnicity as much as you want. And look, let me just say this, yeah?
BRLM — PA’s Leader Mark Collett Admires Hitler and NS
So Patriotic Alternative leader, Mark Collett, young Nazi and proud! That we all saw the channel for documentary of him, not only showing admiration for Adolf Hitler, but even showing admiration for Nazi Germany in 1930! And saying that, that was something that can be admired! That when you see them do the “Seig Heil”, that it’s admirable.
And before you tell me that that was years ago, well I’ve I’ve read his book “Fall of the Western Man”. He mentions 15 times National Socialism! He hasn’t changed his opinion! That’s your leader! Do you agree with that position?
Laura: In this debate Rikki, you do not get to throw the scary N-word, “Nazi”! You think that you have won the argument.
Rikki: Do you agree with Mark’s position?
Laura: Because it won’t wash with me.
If you have a problem with National Socialism, then it’s now your responsibility to dismantle why you disagree with Mark’s ideology. You don’t just get to go “Nazis”!
Rikki: Do you agree with the ideology?
Laura: Or “Fascist” and think you have [word unclear] because you haven’t.
Rikki: Do you agree with the ideology?
PA — Patriotic Alternative is Not a National Socialist Organization
Laura: Mark is a National Socialist, Patriotic Alternative is not a National Socialist organization. He’s somebody who loves Britain a lot more than you do. And he’s a real patriot.
Rikki: So you don’t believe in National Socialism? Can you denounce National Socialism?
BRLM — The Nazis Murdered Eight Million Jews!
Laura: I mean, you can’t even admit that the British are an ethnic group. And you don’t care about British people becoming a minority in our own country!
Rikki: Okay, you are trying to brush this under the carpet, right? You are Nazis!
Laura: This is a single [word unclear] issue that we face today.
Rikki: The Nazis murdered eight million jews! And your leader of your group, is sympathizing with them, admiring them! That’s dangerous! Do you not see that as dangerous?
PA — The Jews Murdered up to 20 Million People in the Holodomor
Laura: What I see is dangerous, you support Israel as being the home of the jewish people. Jews murdered more people with the Holodomor. They murdered up to 20 million people. But that doesn’t stop you, because it’s not in existence today, so it doesn’t matter. So instead of throwing up, ..
Rikki: Don’t forget the Six Day War! The Six Day War! Israel won the Six Day War! And they gave land to [word unclear] people around.
Laura: Why do [word unclear] for a homeland for Jews in Israel, but you don’t for British people in Britain?
Rikki: Because Britain’s not occupied by foreign forces, or foreign nations.
Laura: Well, some might disagree with that!
Rikki: Yeah, but listen! You are not answering the question about your leader Mark Collett, and his Nazi sympathizing, right?
Laura: You haven’t answered any of my questions.
Rikki: Now, if you pair the fact that he’s got a history of Nazi sympathizing, with the fact that you guys are pushing an agenda of a White Britain, alarm bells are ringing! Red flags are out! You don’t see that?
Laura, you seem like a sensible girl! I don’t know if you’ve been brainwashed into this nonsense, or what. But it is nonsense! You guys are just as dangerous as the far Left! You guys are the far Right! You are dangerous!
Laura: So, you’re just throwing labels about you. Sound like you belong in Hope Not Hate.
Rikki: But these are real labels. No, no, these are real labels!
Laura: You’ve called us Nazis, you’ve called us fascists, you’ve called us racists, you’ve called us far Right.
Rikki: No! I never called you a Nazi!
Laura: Rikki, it’s pathetic!
Rikki: I haven’t called you a Nazi!
Laura: It’s absolutely pathetic.
Rikki: Simon, I never called them a Nazi. She’s putting words in my mouth. I told her, her leader is a Nazi sympathizer and that’s a fact! There’s evidence for it!
Laura: He’s not a Nazi! “Nazi” for start, is an anti-White slur.
Rikki: National Socialism is Nazism! Look it up!
Laura: National Socialism is just an ideology. If you have a problem with it.
Rikki: Which is Nazism and anti-semitism!
Laura: You don’t have to [word unclear] now. Its an ideology then Ricky. Dismantle it.
Rikki: Isn’t it funny, … All right I’ll dismantle it! I’ll dismantle it, all right? I’ll dismantle it!
Eight million jews dead in Europe! Dismantled! Finished!
Laura: That is not the ideology.
Rikki: It is the ideology. It’s been proven.
Simon: National Socialism was a political, … Nazi party, National Socialism is a political ideology. But anyway, right, …
Rikki: That caused millions of jews to die.
Simon: Yep, right, okay. Now, ..
Rikki: No, no! You can’t just say ah, ah [hand waving]
Simon: No, no, no, no! I’ve not, … I’m going, …
Rikki: Are we moving away from that truth?
Simon: Have I said that? I was just listening to you and going, hey, yeah, fair enough, because I can’t be going to go:
“You’re right, you’re wrong.”
Can I? As much as I can, right?
But you want to know, does Mark Collett, like “worship Adolf Hitler”? Now you’re saying that he doesn’t, is that correct?
Laura: Mark Collett does not worship Adolf Hitler.
Patriotic Alternative has put forward a plan, and you can read the plan, and it’s not National Socialism. If we were a National Socialist pair of people, then PA’s plan would be National Socialism.
What Ricky’s trying to do is bring up the “Holocaust” which is, you know, the “scariest” event from history to shut down the debate. But he doesn’t care about the fact that jews murdered 20 million people in the Holodomor! In fact, he actually supports a homeland for the jews in Israel.
Rikki: The jews were not responsible for the Holodomor!
Laura: He won’t do that for the British people in Britain.
Rikki: What Laura has just done, you might have missed it, but what Laura just did is an anti-semitic slur right there.
Laura: So now I’m anti-semitic as well!
PA — Mark Collett Isn’t Responsible for the “Holocaust”
Rikki: The jews were not responsible for the Holodomor! You are just throwing things out there.
Laura: Mark Collett isn’t responsible for the “Holocaust” but it doesn’t stop you bringing it up.
Rikki: Yeah and I didn’t say that he was. I just said that he supports the regime that caused, and enacted, the murder of millions of jews. And that is a fact! You can’t deny it.
Simon: All right, let’s, …
Rikki: It’s on video, channel Four, and and you can read his book, it’s right there, National Socialism.
Laura: That documentary is from 20 years ago!
Rikki: Maybe you know him better than me.
Simon: Do you want to get on, …
Laura: I do know him better than you.
The Benefit System
Simon: How would you deal with a benefit system for people coming into this country? Each of you. Right, I’ll go to you Ricky. How would you deal with the benefits system?
Rikki: A benefit system for people coming into this country?
Simon: How would you deal with it?
Rikki: If they’re coming in illegally, they need to be returned! No benefits.
Simon: But we’ve got a problem. We have a problem as well with the UN agreement in 1951, which says we’ve got to give him all that shit. That’s a problem.
Rikki: Yeah, it’s a problem. But listen when it comes down to December the 31st, and when we Brexit, we are going to have more power. And we’re going to have the chance for to put the Maritime Power Act in, and turn the boats around on the water if they’re deemed to be illegal immigrants.
PA — Illegal Immigration is Just a Drop in the Water Compared to Legal Immigration
Simon: Laura. What do you think?
Laura: Well first of all, illegal immigration is just a drop in the water compared to legal immigration.
When it comes to legal immigration we talk we’re talking about two-thirds of a million people who are coming into the country every single year. So the figures of illegal immigrants is actually completely insignificant.
But what I would do is change the benefits system completely, so that, rather than it being a hammock that people can lie in and sponge off of their whole lives, it would be a safety net for people in times of need.
You would have no benefits if you don’t speak English. You would have no benefits unless you’re an actual British citizen, and you can prove that you’re a functioning member of society.
But just the concept that illegal immigration, if we stop illegal immigration we’re suddenly going to save the country, it’s ridiculous!
For a start we have people in the country already, a quarter of the population who have very high fertility rates compared to British people. We’re talking 2.5 children per woman for black families. And 3.5 children per woman for Pakistani families. And you somehow seem to think that that can just stay. And if we stop illegal immigration all the problems will be fixed. It’s just an incredibly infantile, and childish way of thinking!
Rikki: Can I respond?
Laura: I honestly feel like I’m talking to a ten-year-old.
Rikki: Throw some insults!
Simon: Okay. Can I have one minute out of here, just for two seconds? I’ll come back. Can you answer that question in a second Ricky? I literally, … Bathroom, sorry.
BRLM — PA Has the Same Type of Ideology That Led to the “Holocaust”
Rikki: All right. So look, this is the thing. You never you never answered me about your leader. Like I said, you seem smart, I don’t know how you got into all this stuff.
But your leader has proven that he’s a sympathizer with the Nazis, with Adolf Hitler. And you guys are pushing an agenda that is a against anybody who’s not White. That’s kind of the same type of ideology in the “Holocaust”, wasn’t it? It was ethnic cleansing.
Laura: Oh the the “Holocaust” again! Let’s bring up the “Holocaust” if you are losing the argument.
Rikki: No, but you guys are promoting an agenda that is a political ethnic cleansing. Do you not see that?
Laura: It’s not! How is it an ethnic cleansing?
BRLM — You Want to Clean All Ethnicities out of the Country Who Are Not White!
Rikki: Because you want to clean all ethnicities out of the country who are not White!
Laura: Ricky, what is the difference between your views and somebody like Ash Sarkar, or David Lammy? Because they also think that they are British. So what is the difference between your views and theirs?
Rikki: My views are very different.
Rikki: They’re not against illegal immigration. They’re not, ..
Laura: Okay. So let’s just forget about illegal immigration. But their entire world view.
Rikki: They are also for remaining [in the EU] I’m a Brexiteer!
Listen, this is how I differentiate. I believe in a Britain with secure borders, with a points-based immigration system. I believe in a Britain that takes back foreign aid and invests in Britain. I believe in the Britain that does everything to make British manufacturing come back, and British jobs to increase. And I believe in a Britain that’s very difficult to immigrate to. That only accepts people that are going to benefit this country. That’s what I believe. That is how I’m different to Ash Sakar.
Laura: Benefit who? Is it benefiting the native population if Chinese, you know, high IQ immigrants are coming over and taking their jobs? Is that benefiting the native population?
Rikki: I tell you it’s benefiting, the people of Britain.
Laura: The new people who are coming over from China, because they’re just as British as us right? So yeah, it does benefit them, I’m guessing. But it doesn’t actually benefit the British, does it? And I’m talking about the actual British, not just people with British passports.
How does the British people becoming a minority in their own country and feeling like a stranger in their own town, and crime increasing, and then and their kids being the only English kid in the classroom, how does that benefit them at all? It doesn’t!
Rikki: Listen. That’s a problem with immigration. And I’ve agreed with you Laura on immigration.
PA — You Support a Points-Based System That Won’t Slow Immigration Down
Laura: You’ve just said that you support a points-based system that won’t slow immigration down. It will just be a different class of immigrants.
Rikki: It will.
Laura: No it won’t.
Rikki: It will slow it down.
Laura: Well that tells me that you don’t understand the new plan, because it won’t.
Rikki: It will be because it will be hard to get into the country.
Laura: The required salary is just above minimum wage. It will not slow it down!
Rikki: I mean, you keep talking about indigenous British, indigenous British. So I challenge you to a DNA test, and you publicly post your results so we can see how British you are.
Laura: Yeah, okay it’s already on YouTube. I’m 100% northwest European.
Rikki: Okay. So then we need to see it. Can you retweet it tonight, so we can see how British you are.
Laura: Just go to my YouTube channel and see it.
Rikki: You are so indigenous British that you have the right to tell many other British people in this country, who don’t share the same DNA as you, that they need, that they shouldn’t be living here! You couldn’t write it!
Laura: Well again, I haven’t said that they shouldn’t be living here, I’ve said that they can have voluntary repatriation.
BRLM — PA’s Repatriation Plan Will Cost 165 Billion Pounds!
Rikki: Let me talk about your repatriation plan, all right?
So your repatriation plan is to offer incentives of around 15,000 pounds to people who are not “indigenous”, who are not White British in their DNA, in their history and background.
Now, you’re looking at around 11 million people that are not “White British”, or indigenous, as you say. So let’s just put your 15,000 into 11 million. And guess what you get, 165 billion! That’s the exact amount of money that Jeff Bezos is worth! Where are you getting your 165 billion from?
Laura: Well for a start International Aid is around 14 billion per year.
Rikki: That’s not 165.
Laura: And we haven’t suggested that they all have to leave in the same year. There’s all sorts of places where we can take the money from.
I’m actually not concerned about the economic side of it at all.
For an example, NHS translators cost us 64,000 pounds per day. Even things like that would be four people a day. But International Aid is not 0.7 of profit. So that’s around, I mean, we could cover it in maybe 10 years just from International Aid alone. We’re not saying that everybody has to leave in the first year, we’re saying over time.
That’s how it would go on. So the financial side is not a problem at all.
Rikki: Everybody has to leave over time?
Laura: Not everybody. But anybody who wants to.
Rikki: Everyone not White? Oh okay, I missed that point.
Laura: You mean British.
Rikki: Sorry I missed that point. So you’re saying that they don’t have to leave. So if everybody refuses, it’s fine?
Laura: We’re offering volunteer repatriation. If people want to take it. We’ve been through this quite a few times.
Rikki: It needs to be clear. If everyone says no, then the country will remain as it?
Laura: I actually did a speech at the last conference, so it’s already very clear. So feel free to go and watch that.
Rikki: So on your DNA test, you said it’s its northern European.
Laura: It’s northwest European.
Rikki: That doesn’t mean it’s British, right?
Laura: That’s who we are. Who do you think we are? Where do you think we came from?
PA — We’re Now Doing That the British People Don’t Exist Argument
Rikki: So that means every everybody is not really truly, truly, British, right? If you’re not northwestern European, it could be Holland?
Laura: So now, just for the audience to listen to this, we’re now doing that the British people don’t exist argument.
Rikki: Of course they do.
Laura: You have the same arguments that people like Hope Not Hate.
Rikki: No! The British people do exist.
Laura: You’re saying that British people don’t exist.
Rikki: The British people are here! And some of them are black!
Laura: You’re saying that British people don’t exist!
Rikki: Some British people are black!
Laura: This is what people with FPE in their Twitter names do! You have the same arguments as them.
Rikki: No, no, no! Listen.
You refuse to accept that British people can be black, that British people can be Asian, and that they can have different skin colors. You reject that. That means you isolate a huge percentage of this country with that ideology.
And in such a divisive time when these different groups are happening, and black people, and White people, are battling with each other, because of the BLM thing. Everyone’s identifying as this, and identifying as that, and, ..
BRLM — The Whole Ideology Lines up with Adolf Hitler, and Nazis!
Laura: Yeah, because that’s natural, because that’s how they do identify.
Rikki: … In this country there’s so much division. You want to create more division. And that’s why I say that you’re dangerous! You are dangerous to the people of Britain! The whole ideology you’re presenting, it lines up with the same Adolf Hitler, and Nazis!
Laura: Oh! Here we go!
Rikki: That is your guy, Mark Collett, has admitted that he loves, ..
Laura: You have no argument so, ..
Rikki: You can try and laugh it off, ..
Laura: You have no argument, so you call “Nazi”!
Rikki: No, it’s not.
Laura: Rikki, it’s pathetic.
Rikki: I haven’t called anyone a Nazi.
Laura: You are!
Rikki: I haven’t called anyone a Nazi!
Laura: I can only hope that your audience are listening to this and they’ve heard you say that British people don’t exist, that it doesn’t matter if they become a minority in their own country!
Rikki: I haven’t said that. You’re being disingenuous!
Laura: And I’ve heard you call me a Nazi, far-Right racist.
Simon: Right, yeah, yeah. Hang on a second. What you need to clear up here Laura, is when you were saying British people, in your view it’s White British people?
Laura: Yeah, it’s ethnically British people.
Simon: Okay, if we say that, hang on a second, what you’re saying is White British people, right. That that clears up a lot.
And then Ricky can say I believe that the British people are people who believe they’re British, who are legally British, or that kind of thing, yeah?
Simon: And then when we’re on that, you know exactly where you are here, right. So yours White British, yours is mixed British, but British. Correct?
PA — Well I Identify as Chinese Now!
Laura: Well I identify as Chinese now! So I want to be called Chinese! Because you just have to say that you identify and that makes it true, apparently [Simon begins to drink some water]
Rikki: Then go back to China! [with a serious expression]
The Moderator Gets Kicked Off
Simon: [after chocking on his water, exclaims] Twat! Sorry!
Rikki: Oh! [he instantly cuts Simon from stream]
Laura: Oh! What happened?
Rikki: I took him out!
Laura: Why did you take him out?
Rikki: He wants to call me a “twat”, when he’s supposed to be the moderator!
Laura: He was laughing at what you said!
Rikki: It’s just me and you now.
Laura: He was laughing at what you said!
Rikki: It’s just me and you.
So look, point two and three in your manifesto talks about exempting those who share cultural, ethnic, backgrounds, and allowing migration of such people. So how do you define them, ..
Laura: Actually Rickki, I don’t want to continue speaking to you about a moderator. I thought that was very rude. He was actually laughing at your joke. And you just kicked him out, and he’s given up his free time to talk to you.
Rikki: What was rude was him calling me a name.
Laura: He was laughing at your joke because you said “Go back to China”. He laughed when he said it and you booted him out.
Rikki: He never laughed.
Laura: And, you know what you also get very offended at certain memes on Twitter. People have just been posting funny videos and stuff and you’ve been DMing [Direct Messaging] me saying:
“Oh my god this is what you guys [word unclear]!”
But it’s just a joke. If you’re going to be involved in politics you’re really going to have to learn to toughen up, because you’re not going to last two minutes.
BRLM — You Guys Are on the Wrong Side of History
Rikki: I’m not going to last two minutes? Listen I’ve already said your ideology is not a sticker. You’ve not came here, you’ve shown me, all the people watching, nothing in terms of proof, or evidence that your ideology is good.
All you’ve done is show that you guys are led by a Nazi sympathizer and your ideology lines up with that of the Nazis! So I think it’s very fair to say that you guys are really on the wrong side of history!
Laura: You’ve not done well in this debate, at all! You just call me a Nazi, because you have no arguments.
Rikki: And I still haven’t called anybody a Nazi.
Laura: That’s literally what you’re doing. You’ve brought up the “Holocaust” about 15 times and you’ve called people Nazis. You don’t have any arguments. But are we going to finish this then, because you’ve [word unclear] time, and I don’t want to talk to you without a moderator?
Rikki: Yeah. No problem. So thank you for being here. I appreciate it. And even though I don’t agree with your stance, and obviously you don’t agree with mine.
Rikki: You know, debate’s important. And there’s certainly no hatred from my side towards you, or anything. It’s just a difference of ideas. And I hope that you can come around and see sense! And see that you’re pushing an evil ideology.
PA — My Ideology is Non-Negotiable!
Laura: My ideology is non-negotiable! I’m never going to say that it’s fine for the British to become a minority in Britain. I don’t think that you will ever change your mind. But I hope that your audience, ..
Rikki: The British won’t become a minority.
Laura: Listens to some of the things I said today. And I hope that if any of your audience do think that the British exist, and that we should be the majority in our own country, I would hope that they joined us at Patriotic Alternative, because Rikki, can’t even answer that question about whether we deserve our own homeland. But it’s different for the jews, in Israel.
Rikki: Who’s we? Who’s we, that’s the thing?
Laura: I’m going to go now Rikki. Are we done?
Rikki: People need to run away from Patriotic Alternatives as quick as they can.
Laura: Are we done?
Rikki: British Lives Matter, is the movement for all British people, not just White people! It’s not a racist movement as you’ve proven Patriotic Alternative is!
Laura: Are evil Nazis! We’re evil Nazis! But all right thank you everyone in the audience for listening. I hope you guys have been listening.
Rikki: Thanks for being racists.
Laura: And I’ll see you again soon.
Rikki: You’ve proven it.
Laura Leaves the Stream
So there it is! The first ever British Lives Matter live debate
BRLM — Summary of His Position
Yeah the moderator, you know, we gave him the chance to be neutral, but he certainly wasn’t neutral. And we knew at the beginning that he’s a Patriotic Alternative sympathizer, or even a member, maybe. But I thought he was just gonna be neutral, but he kept slipping in comments. And when he slipped in a comment to call me a name. Yeah, it was time for him to go. And Laura doesn’t want to do it without a friend, without her ally, so that’s fine.
We’ll get on with life, we’ll be pushing for a new live debate program very soon. So we’ll let, you know, who it’s going to be and when it’s going to be.
But look, all British lives matter! It doesn’t matter about the skin color! It doesn’t matter about the background, the religion of a person! If you are living in this country, if you have set up your home in this country, your life, your future, in this country, then you deserve, just as much as anybody else! Just as much respect!
And guess what? The British people in this country are of all colors!
Britishness is not determined by skin color! It’s not! It’s a wicked ideology that they’re pushing. And it’s one that is not only divisive, but it’s destructive! And it’ll never come to pass. And like I said, the infighting will finish them off anyway.
But thanks for watching. And we’ll see you very soon. Bye bye.
“One of the conspicuous traits of many narcissists is controlling behaviour. This tends to go hand in hand with them revealing their childishness and paranoia when they don’t get their way. Indeed, if you look at some of Pastor Rikki’s YouTube videos, it’s like opening a door to a narcissist’s paradise. Doolan has invented three versions of himself: Evangelical pastor, ‘rock star’ and now ‘politician’.”
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