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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Hyper-Ethnocentrism of Jews (Re: Gaza)”</span></h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #000000;">Fri, May 31, 2024</span></h1>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[In this video Kevin Barrett talks with Dr Kevin MacDonald, and says:</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">“Evolutionary psychology scholar Kevin MacDonald discusses his new article ‘The Extreme Hyper-Ethnocentrism of Jews on Display in Israeli Attitudes Toward the Gaza War’ In it, he writes:</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">‘At least until the Gaza war, Jews have successfully depicted themselves as moral paragons and as champions of the downtrodden in the contemporary West…</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">This Jewish pose of moral superiority is a dangerous delusion, and we must be realistic what the future holds as Whites continue to lose political power in all Western countries. When the gloves come off, there is no limit to what Jews in power may do if their present power throughout the West continues to increase.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">The ubiquitous multicultural propaganda of ethnic groups living in harmony throughout the West will quickly be transformed into a war of revenge for putative historical grievances that Jews harbor against the West, from the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans to the events of World War II.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">This same revenge was fatal to many millions of Russians and Ukrainians. It’s the fate of the Palestinians that we are seeing unfold before our eyes.”</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">– KATANA]</span></p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><a style="color: #ff0000;" href="https://kevinbarrett.heresycentral.is/2024/05/live-radio-kevin-macdonald-on-extreme-hyper-ethnocentrism-of-jews-re-gaza-fadi-lama-on-why-the-west-cant-win/">https://kevinbarrett.heresycentral.is/2024/05/live-radio-kevin-macdonald-on-extreme-hyper-ethnocentrism-of-jews-re-gaza-fadi-lama-on-why-the-west-cant-win/</a></span></h3>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><a style="color: #ff0000;" href="https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2024/06/02/interview-with-kevin-barrett/">https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2024/06/02/interview-with-kevin-barrett/</a></span></h3>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Published on Fri, May 31, 2024</strong></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">LIVE RADIO! Kevin MacDonald on “Extreme Hyper-Ethnocentrism of Jews (re: Gaza)”; Fadi Lama on “Why the West Can’t Win”<br />
May 31, 2024 Kevin Barrett<br />
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First hour: Evolutionary psychology scholar Kevin MacDonald discussers his new article “The Extreme Hyper-Ethnocentrism of Jews on Display in Israeli Attitudes Toward the Gaza War.” In it, he writes: “At least until the Gaza war, Jews have successfully depicted themselves as moral paragons and as champions of the downtrodden in the contemporary West…This Jewish pose of moral superiority is a dangerous delusion, and we must be realistic what the future holds as Whites continue to lose political power in all Western countries. When the gloves come off, there is no limit to what Jews in power may do if their present power throughout the West continues to increase. The ubiquitous multicultural propaganda of ethnic groups living in harmony throughout the West will quickly be transformed into a war of revenge for putative historical grievances that Jews harbor against the West, from the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans to the events of World War II. This same revenge was fatal to many millions of Russians and Ukrainians. It’s the fate of the Palestinians that we are seeing unfold before our eyes.”<br />
Kevin MacDonald is a retired professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach (CSULB), best known for his controversial application of evolutionary psychology to characterize Jewish behavior as a “group evolutionary strategy.” He is the editor of the Occidental Observer.<br />
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Welcome Droopsy Hot Radio, broadcasting live from the <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[word unclear]</strong></span>, the rooftop studio here in beautiful Stadia, Morocco. I’m Kevin Barrett, bringing on the most controversial, interesting, thoughtful, and often well informed guests that you’ll ever see in audio and video. And we are, of course, broadcasting live in video now here on Revolution Radio. Where you can find the ultimate in the free speech experience. No de-platforming, no censorship, nothing like that here at Revolution Radio.</p>
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<p>Please support Revolution Radio however you can go to that website and figure out how. You can support me Kevin Barrett, at Kevin Barrett dot Substack.com. You can also check out my column over at the Unz’s Review at unzreview.com dot, and you can go to truthjihad.com to find even more rubrics. And I do still edit over at Veterans Today.</p>
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<p>All right, let’s see what we can get going with here we have an interesting lineup today as usual. In the second hour, Fadi Lama comes on with an incredible new book which I finally got a chance to read. It’s called Why the West Can’t Win. And it’s a very good read. It goes into all of the reasons for the rise of the money power bankster dictatorship in the Western world, and the reasons that that dictatorship or that attempt to create a one world order based on the power of usury is, in fact, doomed! He provides strong empirical evidence for that.</p>
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<p>Doctor Fadi Lama is a PhD in engineering, mechanical engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology, and he is also at, what does he have, other engineering degrees from other institutions! He’ll come on in the second hour.</p>
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<p>The first hour, Doctor Kevin MacDonald just put out a great new piece called The Extreme Hyper Ethnocentrism of Jews on Display in Israeli Attitude Towards the Gaza War. And that’s what we’re going to talk about in the first hour, if we can find Kevin MacDonald. There we go.</p>
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<p>Hello, Kevin. I can hear you now.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, I don’t know what happened. Turned all the way up. It never had not worked before. I don’t understand it. I don’t get it.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah, well, I mean, it’s always conceivable that some of the usual suspects are sabotaging us, but it’s also quite possible that something else is going on. But I don’t know what it would be.</p>
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<p>So let’s talk about your new article. I was just introducing it on the Extreme Hyper Ethnocentrism of jews on Display in Israeli Attitude Towards the Gaza War. And the striking things about your article, I guess, are the pretty serious warning about the fate of Gaza could be the fate of other countries and of the West. A lot of people, of course, would think that’s exaggerated. I’m not so sure.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[03:14]</strong></span></p>
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<p>So maybe you can elaborate on that. Why is the genocidal mania that’s overtaken Israel is related to jewish ethnocentrism and how that’s actually a threat to the West as well?</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, well, I think every time jews have had, you know, absolute power, as they did in the Soviet Union for 20, 30 years there, and they have exercised it brutally against their enemies. And I’m concerned that we’ll see that again.</p>
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<p>Now, you see, and you see it, you know, look at the Old Testament. I mean, all the injunctions for all the desires for genocide of these people who are their enemies. And all the jewish religious writing saying basically that gentiles are another species, they’re below us, they’re basically animals and that sort of thing.</p>
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<p>And then you see that rhetoric regarding the Palestinians, and you will see that regarding Europeans. Because if and when we lose power, we haven’t lost power yet, obviously.</p>
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<p>But I’m just concerned about the future because clearly the jewish establishment is desiring more and more immigration. So all the Western European countries, United States, Canada, Australia, they will all be minority White countries at some point. White people may not have enough power, political power, to really resist what is going on. And I just fear that jewish ethics is entirely self centered! For the interests of the group, nothing more! And completely the opposite of western ethics, which is universalist. You know, Kant’s categorical imperative.</p>
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<p>Basically, you do what anybody else could do in that situation, you’d be okay with it.</p>
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<p>So it’s like that sort of western universalism, which is unique in the world, really. Other cultures tend to be very ethocentric and they privileged their own group. But the West has this long liberal tradition really stemming from the Enlightenment, but in a way going earlier than that. And I trace it back to evolutionary roots in my book on Western Individualism. But that’s the basic idea that the West is tied to universalism. And there’s this sense that we should be universalist. It’s the moral thing to do, that we should basically take care of other people and see their point of view and all that.</p>
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<p>Jewish ethics isn’t completely foreign! You know, it’s like you don’t care about what they think. The more Orthodox you get, and the Orthodox have taken over Israel. And I like today I get this email from Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL, and he’s been in Israel. He comes back to this message and basically he says:</p>
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<p>And you always see this by the jewish apologists that there is no context to what happened on October 7. There’s nothing about the blockade that’s been going on since 2003, nothing about all the oppressive policies that Israel’s engaged in over the years.</p>
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<p>And what Israel’s doing is absolutely destroying Gaza! It’ll never really come back for years and years, if ever.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Let me just question the idea that the West is so much more universalist and completely non-ethnocentric.</p>
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<p>I mean, I think there’s some truths you’re talking about.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> I don’t say it’s completely non-ethnocentric. Okay. But there certainly can be ethnocentric, but it’s relatively less than other cultures. And again, if you look at Joseph Heinrich’s book as well on Individuals in the West. He talks about how unique Western culture is. He talks about western universalism. And that’s exactly the big point of my book.</p>
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<p>We are different. And it’s a problem now because western universalism, it’s hard to oppose these movements, these jewish intellectual movements and political movements, because they’re always phrased in universal terms. They’re always phrased in moral terms. And Westerners are suckers for that!</p>
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<p>I mean, they want to be good people. Westerners don’t rely on kinship. They rely on being a good person in the group, having a good reputation.</p>
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<p>And right now, Western culture is completely determined by these often jewish elites in the media and the academic world and so on.</p>
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<p>So what needs to be a good person is to be totally accepting of immigration and your culture is nothing special, and let them come in and don’t worry about anything in the future.</p>
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<p>But in-group out, group conflict, based on ethnicity has been going on forever, and it’s not going to stop now!</p>
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<p>So I’m pessimistic about the future because I don’t see any big force in the West trying to turn back this tide. It’s just not going to happen.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah, I actually, over time, I’ve become more sympathetic to your viewpoint. You know, when we first started having these discussions on my radio show, I don’t know, ten years ago or something, I was still, you know, kind of holding you at arm’s length and saying, but this and that.</p>
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<p>Over time, I’ve realized that there’s a lot more truth to what you’re saying and a lot more of a good scholarly basis to your work than maybe I had realized, probably, than a lot of other people realized, too.</p>
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<p>Let me say, however, I still think that when we talk about Western universalism, the way it manifests itself and often has in going back a ways in the history, is actually not much better, maybe even worse, than the kind of traditional tribalism of a lot of other traditional people.</p>
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<p>That is, if you look at the way Americans behaved in Vietnam, with Korea, with Vietnam, with Indonesia in 1965, and all of these other “<em>Holocaust</em>”, quote, unquote, “<em>the American Holocaust</em>” that Chomsky and Wolczak wrote about in their book on Western terrorism, where they came up with about 60 million people murdered by US military and CIA interventions since World War Two.</p>
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<p>The ugly American who goes to these places and murders millions of people to try to impose the American way and American hegemony on these cultures. He thinks he’s universalist, and he uses universalist propaganda in his media back home to get the people to imagine that they’re doing something universalist and non-ethnocentric. But there’s nobody more ethnocentric than an arrogant universalist who thinks that his way is the universal way!</p>
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<p>And so I kind of question whether this so-called universalism has made Westerners so kind and nice and gentle. You know, when you take those 60 million people that the US murdered since World War Two, then you add another 30 million or so with a post 9/11 era, it seems to me that these kind general universalists are actually a lot more murderous than the tribalists.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, the Western culture has always been very militarized and very expansive and also been very inventive and prone to adventurism.</p>
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<p>I mean, the Indo-European legacy in Western culture is basically that. And the West has been extremely successful, unlike other cultures when they had been able, &#8230; You look at around the world, cultures that have been successful have expanded. They have dominated other peoples and all that.</p>
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<p>But the West, you know, there’s these two traditions in the West. One is that Indo-European militarized version, and that is still there to some extent. But you also have now, especially since 1965. I mean, before that, it was anti-communism, and they were very concerned, correctly so.</p>
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<p>I mean, the Soviet Union was a dangerous foe, and they were opposing communism, I get it. But especially since 9/11 we’ve had these wars basically for Israel, and we have a new elite in the country. It’s a very aggressive leap. They want to maintain western hegemony desperately. That’s why we’re fighting in Ukraine, and we’re upping the ante now. They’re allowing Ukraine to target Russia. And so, yeah, that’s a part of our reality.</p>
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<p>But you think about say, slavery. You know, we, Western conquest in America, then they brought in slaves from Africa and all that.</p>
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<p>But, yeah, it was also, Western culture is the only culture that ended it for moral reasons. And this northern European culture of radical individualism. And they condemn slavery in the 19th century, especially the British started there, and they ended slavery in 1831. They abolished the slave trade in 1808 or something like that. And, it’s no other culture. I mean, you look around the world, slavery was endemic to just about every culture in the world.</p>
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<p>So Western culture is now being singled out for things that other cultures have done throughout history.</p>
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<p>But, yeah, there’s some ethnocentrism there, and it’s just relatively submerged. It’s easily overcome. I mean, you can make, they did this experiment where they had college students come in and they gave them a bunch of questions or pictures, photos, and they said:</p>
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<p>Or something like that. Boy, when they showed them, when they went through it again, the people responded much more slowly. They don’t want to feel they’re a bad person! And we see that over and over again, especially among women. Women want to fit into the group. They want to be nice people! And now the culture is totally anti-Western, anti-White, anti-European.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah, the culture has certainly gone to extremes lately. Speaking of the tribalism and stuff, I have a good anecdote for you. I’m living in Morocco now, and I’ve had some, let’s say, difficulties working with the local zoning authorities and construction guys, putting up a little room on the top of the house to house a library.</p>
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<p>So it’s been quite frustrating. And I talked to a couple of in-laws, a couple of friends, and they talked. They said:</p>
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<p>And so I said:</p>
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<p>And they both said:</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Exactly!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah. Each of them had hired a cousin one of them had, had to fire the first guy he hired who wasn’t a cousin and bring in his cousin who just happened to show up at the right point.</p>
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<p>And you know, that’s, I think, a kind of a common thing around the world. Doesn’t mean that there’s no use of universal dimension to the culture here or in other places where they still have these kinship ties. But it is different from the United States and also Europe today. And these cultural differences are real and you should be allowed to talk about them.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, that’s the problem with the third world, is in kinship. If you a job or something like that, you’re expected to., &#8230; Well, you expect kin to help you out, you know, as long as you’re related. It’s all about kinship. African cultures are like that. Extremely so!</p>
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<p>It happens in Europe, but much less. That’s the thing about Europe. You have these high trust cultures where your reputation group is not dependent on being a relative. It’s dependent on, are you trustworthy, can I do business with you? That sort of thing.</p>
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<p>And so you don’t have to rely on your cousin to build your house. And you don’t expect the person to cheat you, that sort of thing. That’s why Western culture has been so successful.</p>
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<p>But that’s the problem. It hasn’t stopped in other parts of the world. It’s absolutely hardwired in those cultures. The Middle East, but also Africa. You know, China has always been that way, actually tribal and all that, collectivists. But they seem to be able to square the circle. But there’s a lot of corruption, but they clamp down on it, and the central government, to some extent at least, really does not want that. And they get it about trust.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> There are these ideologies, whether universalist or nationalist, that seem to play a role in kind of overcoming the tribalism.</p>
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<p>And in fact, in Islamic history, the success of the religion of Islam and the legal system and the weights and measures and the injunctions to fair trade with everybody, not just your relatives, that played a big role in the bringing together of tribal peoples into a super tribe, or a huge world straddling kind of empire where people could trust each other. You could travel from one end of the earth to the other and not be robbed.</p>
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<p>So, and I think with China, the ideologies of communism and now kind of Confucian nationalism play that kind of a role.</p>
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<p>And then that leaves the question of could the West be saved by some sort of return to the religious roots that actually produced the great works of the West and produced this universalism that seems to have fallen upon hard times now as the West enters its decadent phase.</p>
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<p>I just attended a conference in Croatia with Doctor E. Michael Jones and a bunch of Catholics. I was one of the two token Muslims there. And those folks are hoping for a revival of Catholicism to revive the West. I’m a bit skeptical, but I do think that these kinds of religions or greater religious like ideologies are really the only thing that can get people to sacrifice for something bigger than themselves and overcome these pitfalls of tribalism and human nature. But I know you’re not an advocate of that, so why not?</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Well, I’m not religious myself. I just can’t see any evidence for it, you know, sort of scientific. And my basic paradigm is evolution and evolutionary biology, and I just don’t see room for that.</p>
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<p>But I can see, I do think that religion is good. I mean you think about the Reconquista in Spain. They were very religious, and they treated the Muslims and threw them out. And European Christianity served Europe well for a very long time. Once you got to the 19th century and science and then, you know, militant Marxism and everything, you know, some of it is jewish, but I think a lot of it isn’t. It’s just the changes in intellectual, the scientific perspective sort of militates against that. And I don’t know!</p>
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<p>But I do think if you look at America, religious Conservatives are, you know, mainstay in the Republican Party. You know, I don’t agree with all their substantive things.</p>
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<p>I mean, they seem obsessed with abortion. But they’re good on average.</p>
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<p>But then you look at the mainstream religions and they’re all into this stuff, and it’s pretty much universal, the Southern Baptist. I mean, the officialdom there. For example, James Edwards is a good guy who’s in Tennessee, political, successful guy. He’s been basically shunned by these people.</p>
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<p>And I grew up Catholic and Catholic Church, as far as I can see, the pope is a communist. I mean, he’s way on the Left.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Well, he did just say something about how there’s too much faggotry these day!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Too much what?</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> He used to use the slur, the anti-homosexual slur. He said there was too much faggotry in the Church. <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> And then he profusely apologized.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> I mean, it is true. But he’s been all in favor of immigration and all that.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah, yeah. That’s why this made such a big splash was its the first thing this pope has ever done that wasn’t politically correct and woke!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, exactly!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> But, Kevin, don’t you think, though, that the issue here is really that these, you know what’s left of Christianity in the West is mostly just sort of fronting for the real religion of the West, which is secular, progressive, materialist humanisms and that that real religion which has underline all of these kinds of liberal tendencies that you and I both are skeptical about, that actual religion, which involves something overcoming the normal human condition in a kind of pretty extreme submission to something greater than the self and to transcendent values, which is very foreign, of course, to the secular outlook, but also to the kind of these namby pamby liberal religions that we’re talking about today as not being solutions. I agree they’re not. But I think I’ve heard arguments, including from some recent radio show guests, that real religion actually might be the solution.</p>
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<p>But the only way it’s ever going to come back is when the civilization collapses and people are fighting for survival in red and tooth and claw.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, I mean, this, you know, Western culture has been expansive that we’ve said, and it’s also with capitalism, it’s greedy, materialism, and we want things, and as all humans do. Everybody would be rich than poor, I guess.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Kevin, if you could hold your phone a little stiller, that would be better because we’re getting a lot of, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, it’s what the Western culture is now ugly! You know, I’m rooting for Russia in the Ukraine war because to me, Western culture is completely bankrupt! You know, it’s gone, completely woke.</p>
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<p>And if Ukraine would win, you’d have more mass immigration, there would be, religion would take a dive ultimately, and Ukraine would just become another vassal of the West, where traditional Ukrainian culture would be condemned, as there already. There’s a long, fraught history with jews and Ukrainians.</p>
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<p>But anyway, you know, that’s the problem. The West is completely corrupt as far as I can see, and it’s not getting any better. In a sense, it is, as you say, I mean, secular humanism, greed, wanting material things and that sort of thing. That’s what we want.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[25:42]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> And how about what’s the role of this jewish ethnocentrism that you just wrote about in this new article in The Decline of the West and even a threat of some kind of global tyranny. We know that the mythology of jewish religion involves, as you wrote in the article, kind of these messianic millenarian expectations that the jews will one day triumph over the goyim or all the non-jewish peoples and basically enslave them and rule the earth.</p>
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<p>And we do see that jews have become the most powerful ethnic group in the world probably, by taking over the US Empire. And now they’re completely out of control in their own ethno-state over an occupied Palestine and ready to tear down the Islamic world’s oldest and greatest architectural monument, the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and put up a blood sacrifice temple and start sacrificing pink heifers to symbolize this new era in which jews rule the world. And their mythology tells them that every jew will have, I forget how many thousands of goyim slaves.</p>
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<p>Now, of course, that all sounds pretty exaggerated and it sounds like a pipe dream, but the role that jews are playing in this process does seem outsized and rather dangerous and destructive, does it not?</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> It is very destructive and dangerous. And we see that Israel is continuing this offensive in the south of Gaza now, despite the fact that all these nations, I mean, it’s hard to, I can’t think of any country that’s gung-ho in favor of what Israel’s doing, but they’re just thumbing their nose at it. They don’t care! Your international criminal court, what was the arrest, Netanyahu and all that, it doesn’t matter. They are in the driver’s seat and they know they have America completely in their hands! And that’s the reality. And they will use America as long as they can.</p>
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<p>And, yeah, they are in the driver’s seat right now, but we’re not at the end game yet. But, yeah, jewish power is really on display here! I mean, you think of all the European countries, America, the Biden administration even, is condemning what they’re doing. Then they say they’re going to withhold weapons and they don’t really do that.</p>
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<p>But anyway, it’s amazing what the power that they have.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah. And it’s kind of just over the top sadistic cruelty in their approach to people of Gaza.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Oh, yeah!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> It’s making ethnocentrism look bad. People like you, Kevin, you’re kind of a White, pro-ethnocentric guy. People like Louis Farrakhan a black, pro-ethnocentric guy. And there are various people who are defending various kinds of ethnocentrism. But what Israel is doing right now is really an embarrassment to ethnocentrism, wouldn’t you say?</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[28:53]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, I mean, this is extreme ethnocentrism! And it’s what I call hyper-ethnocentrism. And what I would advocate is universal nationalism, that everybody be in their own country and stay there. And that you’d have a sort of ethnic nationalism as a basis of a country.</p>
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<p>But, you know, that’s a long way off now, given what’s happened in the West. We used to be, you look at movies here, culture from the 1950s, and it’s a White country and proudly. So the same way with the Western European countries. But now it’s just not there. I don’t see how to get it back without a cataclysm.</p>
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<p>And I think the Left wants a cataclysm because they have purged the military and all that, and they are in charge of legal system, as you can see in the Trump verdict, and we’ll see.</p>
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<p>But I think we’re headed for a cataclysm or else the West just goes down with a whimper.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah, well, my second hour guest today on this radio show is Fadi Lama, who wrote Why the West Can’t Win. And his analysis is that Western central bankers have presided over this expanding Western empire, of course, expanded during the colonial period, and now he thinks they’re going all out for a kind of a global takeover. And he thinks it’s going to fail. And that this nationalist alliance of multipolar nationalist forces led by Iran, Russia and China is likely to prevail over the Western banksters.</p>
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<p>So if that’s the case, then the world that you want to see, which would be a world of multipolar sovereign nation states where each people is relatively unto itself and free to be itself, and then to deal with other peoples, hopefully in a reasonable manner, unlike what the Israelis are doing right now, that world is coming. But at what cost to the Euro-American countries that are losing the struggle, is the question.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, absolutely! I’m happy to see this other bloc forming. And Western globalism really means Western hegemony and control over the rest of the world via the economics, the banks and all that.</p>
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<p>So, yeah, that’s why I favor Russia in the war. And I look favorably on Russia’s ties with Iran and China. And if you’re a country like Iran or Russia or China, you have to know what’s going on in the West. You know that you have this Western elite that really wants to control everything. And this globalist phenomenon is backed by a US military, and it’s not going away.</p>
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<p>And that’s why Ukraine is seen as an existential issue for both sides. Russia and United States and Western Europe, I think. They see that if the West does not prevail in Ukraine, that Russia will really take off.</p>
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<p>And I noticed in Georgia, the country of Georgia, they had this law, they just enacted the law, I guess, that prevents these foreign NGO’s from, &#8230; They have to register and say how much of the money is coming from the West. And they have to disclose all their sources. Well, this is a big source of the Western power. That’s why Putin clamped down on that. The West is where the money is.</p>
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<p>So all these NGO’s, they go in there and they propagandise for pro-Western stuff and immigration and all this Leftist stuff and color revolution.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Don’t forget that. What they want to LGBTQ, all that kind of thing.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, exactly! It’s going to happen in Ukraine, if Ukraine wins and Russia loses. This is existential! But that’s the danger here, that both sides here see it as existential. Well, then you’re heading for a World War, nuclear war, a disaster for humanity!</p>
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<p>I mean, I don’t see how this ends now. Biden just allowing Ukraine to strike targets in Russia with American missiles? I mean, this is really serious!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> That was supposed to be a red line, wasn’t it?</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, that was a red line and not anymore.</p>
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<p>And so they keep erasing these lines:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: blue;">“Oh, we won’t give them this, won’t give them that!”</span></h3>
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<p>And they give it to them eventually. And because they do not want to lose this! They realize that sanctions have not worked because of the alliances, really, Iran and China and other countries. India is favorable to them to some extent anyway. And Brazil, other countries like that they just look at where the power is and where it’s going to go.</p>
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<p>But yeah, they understand that the West is <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[word unclear]</strong></span> about destroying all their cultures and really all their peoples. And one hodge-podge of humanity. And I just think that would be a disaster!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> What do you think is the reason that the Western elites are choosing such a seemingly wrong headed strategy from their own point of view? In terms of both, they’re watering down their own cultures and harming their own cultures and their own military capacity through all sorts of policies. The various woke policies and so on.</p>
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<p>And then rather than a sort of a sensible policy of trying to sort of contain, say, China and then make nice with Russia and Iran while you try to contain China, and then if you ever have to shift a little bit and contain Russia, then you make nice with China a little bit. That kind of sensible strategic policy which characterized the US during the Cold War, to a certain extent, they’ve thrown that away and now they’re trying to go to war against Russia, China and Iran all at once driving them into each other’s arms, even as they tear apart their own societies.</p>
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<p>It’s almost as if they have some kind of death wish and they want to go down in flames. How do you explain that?</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[36:08]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, I’m wondering, &#8230; But part of it is, I think, jewish hatred towards the West. You know, they think in terms of what happened in the Middle Ages, they think in terms of the destruction of the temple by the Romans. The pogroms in Russia in the 19th century, as they see them, and of course, in the Holocaust.</p>
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<p>And it’s like Western culture is to them is absolutely the real <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[word unclear]</strong></span>. And these people, it’s always the extremists that end up dominating what direction the jewish community goes in.</p>
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<p>And right now, the extreme ethocentrism is on display! And to some extent, most of it went to Israel. But they’re an awful lot in the United States. And jewish power in the United States, you see now, like, for example, pro-Palestinian protests on universities, they’re getting arrested and all that they would never do that for Black Lives Matter in the same way.</p>
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<p>And so they’re really clamping down. And anyone who supports the Palestinians, they’re going to have a hard time getting a job on Wall Street or in the media and all that.</p>
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<p>So, yeah, they have the power right now, and they are using it.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> And that will provoke a reaction. And we’ve seen throughout history that when jewish communities went too far in their sharp practices towards the majority societies, they suddenly faced a big backlash.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> And I’m wondering if some of these students are going to suddenly go from being Left-wing, woke pro-Palestine multiculturalists to saying:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“You know, I think Kevin MacDonald actually might have a point about the jews.”</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah. Yeah, I think that jews have always felt that they can manage, you know, Muslim immigration, Palestinian immigration, all that they had enough power to manage it.</p>
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<p>And right now they do. I mean, they’re clamping down these protests. But they do see there’s some in Congress now who are pro-Palestinian. And so this policy of letting Muslims come into Europe, say, has backfired for the jews to some extent, a great extent. And you see all these articles about how jews are saying:</p>
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<p>And the <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span> question is what are their allies against?</p>
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<p>And of course, they’re allies against the White majority.</p>
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<p>But now that’s breaking down. And so many of the immigrants into Europe are Muslim and they really don’t like to choose and they don’t, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Quick question. Yeah. I think you’re right that a lot of the Muslim immigrants in Europe are the ones who are supporting the pro-Palestine protests and things like that. But do you think there’s any kind of qualitative difference or meaningful difference between so-called Muslim immigrants in Europe and, let’s say, sub-Saharan Africans from non-Muslim backgrounds, whether Christian, animist or secular, what have you.</p>
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<p>That is, I found this whole emphasis on the Muslim identity and the Islamic religion to be very deceptive, given that the kinds of problems that immigrants have created in these societies are actually problems that you’re going to see more from the less religious, the more secular elements, whether they’re sub-Saharan African from Christian backgrounds, or whether they’re northern African from Muslim backgrounds. It’s not the religious people that you have to worry about. It’s the non-religious ones.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Well, I don’t know. I think Muslim religion certainly is a big unifying, motivating factor for Muslims.</p>
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<p>But you talk about sub-Saharan Africa, you know, they’re really talking about a low IQ, criminality prone population that will never really contribute anything to any functioning society.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Wait a minute! I played basketball with a bunch of guys from both northern Africa and sub-Saharan Africa when I went to the University of Paris. And there were some very sharp college students from sub-Saharan Africa were playing on that basketball team, actually. So I don’t over generalize to that extent.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Well, there may be some, and there are, but you look at overall the average, and that’s critical, actually! And we see black culture has basically failed in this country despite the fact that there are some intelligent ones. Just look at it and it’s an academic disaster! And I just don’t see it.</p>
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<p>They’ve tried to improve black academic achievement for decades now, since the sixties, with no success, really. And it’s getting worse. I think there’s actually selection now for that the people having children, &#8230; You know, these black women who are going to college and assuming all these high level positions, they’re not having children, very many children at least. Whereas the ghetto moms are having a lot of kids, relatively.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah. Well, hasn’t the breakdown of the black family is the biggest reason for all of this.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> It’s a huge factor. Yeah, that was an effect of the 1960s. You look at the charts, because I used to teach child psychology every semester I look at these charts in my textbook, and they would be in the 1950s, very strong family structure.</p>
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<p>And then all of a sudden in the sixties, everybody went south! But blacks much more than anybody else. They were sort of unleashed, you might say, from the social control. We couldn’t just get on welfare so easily. And those single mothers were not really supported that much. You had to have a man around. But not anymore. It hasn’t been that way for a long time! And it’s not changing.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Religion, again, getting back to that topic, plays a role in this, in that the religious cultures typically put a strong emphasis on these kinds of family values and taboos on sexuality outside of reproductive marriage.</p>
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<p>And so when that breaks down, then you get a breakdown of the culture and you have a lot of unwed mothers, etcetera. Once again, my argument is that religion is an indispensable part of civilized humanity, that giving it up for transcendent value is really necessary overall. There might be a few people who can do okay without that. But for the culture as a whole, it needs that. It needs to be infused with a traditional way of doing that.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> You’re probably right. I think that’s a reasonable thing to say. I think most people seem to need religion for social support and moral compass and sort of meaning to their lives and all that. I agree.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Wow! Just like I won an argument with Doctor E. Michael Jones last week. Actually, won an argument with Kevin MacDonald! Again, not too many people can say that. <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span></p>
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<p>All right, we only have a couple, couple of minutes left here. Well, you know, Kevin, we’re with two minutes left.</p>
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<p>What can be done to stop this butchery in Gaza?</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> I just don’t know. Because the Israelis have free reign and they don’t care what anybody else thinks. And the Right militants, settlers, aggressive ones, they’re in charge. And they don’t care what anybody else thinks.</p>
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<p>And I think they do think that over time it’ll blow over. They’ll do something for the Palestinians, or they’ll let them emigrate or something. The West will give in. Jordan, these other countries will give in, and they’ll let them come in. And they’ll just get rid of them!</p>
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<p>And then Israeli settlers will set their sights on Jordan, and then they’ll set their sight., &#8230; You know, I believe they’re an expansive culture. And Gaza is just part of it. They want that land, and I think there will be jewish settlements back in the Gaza. You know, there were until 2000, was it three or something? When the Israeli army withdrew and all that, to great controversy, at which point they became an open air prison.</p>
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<p>But yeah, it’s a very expansive, aggressive group, always has been. And we’ll see where it ends. And I think that maybe the rest of the world may start stand up to them at some point.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> Yeah, well, I think it’s definitely at or even past the point that that needs to start happening.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin MacDonald:</strong> Yeah, I’d say so!</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> If they really think that we’re going to just roll over and forget all this. Come on, guys. You know, the Nakba* of 1947, 1948 has not been forgotten!</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* The Nakba (Arabic: النَّكْبَة an-Nakba, lit. ’the catastrophe’) is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society and the suppression of their culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations. The term is used to describe the events of the 1948 Palestine war as well as the ongoing persecution and displacement of Palestinians by Israel. As a whole, it covers the fracturing of Palestinian society and the long-running rejection of the right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants. Source: Wikipedia]</span></p>
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<p>And today’s people are telling stories about what happened to their grandparents and great grandparents and they’re keeping that memory alive. And so what’s happening in Gaza now, that memory is going to be kept alive forever and it’s going to come back to bite the perpetrators.</p>
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<p>Well, thank you so much, Kevin MacDonald. It’s always great to talk with you. A true original thinker and a fearless thinker! Keep up the good work.</p>
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<p><strong>Kevin Barrett:</strong> That’s Kevin MacDonald, a fellow academic heretic from the University of Wisconsin. That’s where he went as well as where I got chased out of for talking about 9/11 in the way that certain folks didn’t like.</p>
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<p>All right, we’ll be back in the next hour, God willing, with Fati Lama talking about why the West can’t win!</p>
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<p>June 2, 2024 at 4:47 am  What Kevin Barrett is always up to with his “religion”, which he would prefer to impose on all of humanity as a duty, as if humanity could not decide for itself to remain free of this kind of superstitious restriction. The reclericalization of public space. In any case, it is more than a mystery to me how someone with his level of education and cultural background can submit to the Abrahamic Stone Age cult “Islam” of all things. It’s downright absurd to the point of grotesque. I don’t dislike the man, but to believe that the whole world needs a “religion” like his is downright presumptuous. Should perhaps over a billion Chinese also become Muslims? And what does it mean that he had the experience of “getting to know talented black basketball players” during his school days in response to Kevin MacDonald’s statement that it is a risk to allow masses of black Africans into Europe? Doesn’t the man even read Amren or Vdare, for example? Surely he’s not seriously trying to sell us that? https://archive.org/details/thilo-sarrazin-hostile-takeover-how-islam-hampers-progress-and-corrodes-western-/mode/2up Reply<br />
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4 Birhan Dargey  June 3, 2024 at 5:50 am  Precisely, why is the West seem to have a deathwiish? well WHO is running the USA/Western powers Foreign Policies and Domestic political/social/EDUCATIONAL/ policies? JEWS..the NONJewish WASP anglo/franco/germanic elites as going along as their PROFITS$$ and interest are favored. Without the nonjews understading that the ultimate Jewish objective is NOT to build multidiverse inclusive tolerant EQUAL (citizenship) societies..JEWS want to use MULTIracial/Diverse societies that WIPE OUT WHITE ANGLO MAJORITY SOCIETIES/COUNTRIES/NATIONS..to buil World JEWISH global Dominance..PD: IF Gaza Falss and Jews insist on expanding into Greater Israel.tehn the West is finished because Greater Israel means one world great ISRAEL…they can NOT achieve that without White/Nonjews/ GENOCIDE 1000XS times more criinal than Gaza…Events in Palestine is juts a preview of Jewish wars/genocide to come…anti white, anti Christian, anti GOYIM. Reply<br />
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6 Lynn Ertell  June 3, 2024 at 5:03 pm  Follow up studies of the “Kalergi Plan” and the 1970s novel “Campm of the Saints”. Reply<br />
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8 Jaime Jonas  June 3, 2024 at 7:24 pm  Barret is wrong on his critism of Western Unievrsalist evil colonial past. Western Anglo colonialists entroduced the concepts of CITIZENSHIP, equality unbder the laws, FREDDOMS under Constitutional Liberal DEMOCRACIES. BUT JEWS and ONLY jews claim tha their JEWISH Talmud/Torah/Noahide LAWS are superior to all DEMOCRATIC regimes,,,and that NONjews must accept even forcefully JEWISH Global Tyrannical THEOCRACY…which put JEWS at teh vey top of the POLITICAL/social/Cultural order… Reply<br />
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CelticRomanSoldier 1 week ago I am quite pleased that Ireland, Norway and Spain have recognized Palestine as a State, a gradual procession to an international consensus to isolate and condemn the Jewish State. I can only hope that an International Military force will invade and occupy Israel, arrest and try the criminal murder gang that runs that rogue State and siezes their illegal nuclear arsenal.     2 likes  Reply<br />
Grellen 1 week ago It is sad to see that Professor MacDonald has not aged well.     1 like  Reply<br />
StLonginus 1 week ago MacDonald cannot bring himself to talk about Christianity; Catholicism, which WAS &#8220;Western&#8221; culture for over one thousand years. And then the Church collapsed after infiltration.     1 like  Reply<br />
Sasapienza 1 week ago Thanks for your honest, real Abrahamic religious opinion. Refreshing in this sterile, west, cuckoo cage.     0 likes  Reply<br />
ResistEvolve 1 week ago Some Zionist icon I think it was David Ben-Gurion said (paraphrased), &#8220;the old will die and the young will forget.&#8221; I&#8217;m not so sure about that!     0 likes  Reply<br />
daftdude 1 week ago Israel sells US secret military tech to China. This makes supporting Israel an act of treason.<br />
All zionists are traitors, and should get punished for their treason with capital punishment in order to dissuade further corruption and treason for the benefit of Israel at the expense of the safety of Americans and Europeans.</p>
<p>The selling of secret US Military tech to China by Israel is going on for decades now, and NOBODY does anything about it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China&#8221;<br />
https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china<br />
https://archive.vn/ZzbpI</p>
<p>Documentary about how Israel has been selling US secret military tech to China and still is:</p>
<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="EqjFSni6di"><p><a href="https://www.ancreport.com/the-parasite-how-israel-sells-us-tech-to-americas-enemies/">The Parasite, How Israel sells US tech to America’s enemies</a></p></blockquote>
<p><iframe class="wp-embedded-content" sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted"  title="&#8220;The Parasite, How Israel sells US tech to America’s enemies&#8221; &#8212; ANC Report" src="https://www.ancreport.com/the-parasite-how-israel-sells-us-tech-to-americas-enemies/embed/#?secret=lHl1WesvpV#?secret=EqjFSni6di" data-secret="EqjFSni6di" width="600" height="338" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no"></iframe></p>
<p>&#8220;How Israel betrays US&#8221;<br />
<iframe loading="lazy" title="How Israel Betrays US" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/j64rbEkQhHk?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>&#8220;Israel and China a ‘Marriage Made in Heaven,’ Says Netanyahu&#8221;<br />
https://thediplomat.com/2017/03/israel-and-china-a-marriage-made-in-heaven-says-netanyahu/<br />
https://archive.vn/CFx1Z</p>
<p>&#8220;Former CIA Phil Giraldi: “Israel Steals US Technology”&#8221;</p>
<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="Gp1i80B0RW"><p><a href="https://inteltoday.org/2017/05/11/former-cia-phil-giraldi-israel-steals-us-technology/">Former CIA Phil Giraldi: &#8220;Israel Steals US Technology&#8221;</a></p></blockquote>
<p><iframe loading="lazy" class="wp-embedded-content" sandbox="allow-scripts" security="restricted"  title="&#8220;Former CIA Phil Giraldi: &#8220;Israel Steals US Technology&#8221;&#8221; &#8212; Intel Today" src="https://inteltoday.org/2017/05/11/former-cia-phil-giraldi-israel-steals-us-technology/embed/#?secret=2czobS319G#?secret=Gp1i80B0RW" data-secret="Gp1i80B0RW" width="600" height="338" frameborder="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" scrolling="no"></iframe><br />
https://archive.vn/hPBmk</p>
<p>The NSA sends all its raw data to Israel, including information pertaining to Americans worldwide including those living in America:<br />
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents<br />
https://archive.vn/Qn0P5</p>
<p>Jewish Orthodox woman is the head of the NSA cyber security section:<br />
https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Orthodox-woman-from-Baltimore-to-head-NSAs-new-cybersecurity-section-596757<br />
https://archive.vn/c1xkC</p>
<p>Watch the video included in this gab post:<br />
https://gab.com/KennyLiquorbush/posts/108690546456863184<br />
&#8220;Zionism is NOT about a &#8220;homeland for Jews&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s about establishing a One World Government, where the Jews tyrannically rule the goyim.&#8221;     0 likes  Reply<br />
CelticRomanSoldier 1 week ago Mid West left wing extremist turned professor and muslim.     -2 likes  Reply ‹ Hide 1 reply<br />
Grellen 1 week ago I don&#8217;t believe that you are an so &#8211; called &#8220;Celtic Roman Soldier.&#8221; (sic). I think that you are an filthy jew. The Irish Parliament (otherwise the &#8220;Oireachtas&#8221;), has voted to recognize the State of Palestine. Most of the countries which currently exist on the surface of this planet recognize the State of Palestine. With the usual exceptions.     1 like  Reply ‹ Hide 1 reply<br />
CelticRomanSoldier 1 week ago Your allegation is way off the mark. I must remind you that Eamon de Valera first President of the Irish Republic was a Jew. (Spanish Diaspora)<br />
As for me, I was educated by Franciscans, baptised and Confirmed Catholic.     -1 likes</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[In this 13 minute video <strong>VertigoPolitix</strong> discusses Frank Salter&#8217;s article in a peer reviewed journal titled &#8220;Estimating Ethnic Genetic Interests – Is it Adaptive to Resist Replacement Migration?&#8221; Salter answers, obviously, yes, and gives his sound reasons.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Although not discussed, I would make the following observations.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Organized jewry, the true &#8220;<em>deep state</em>&#8221; behind the curtain and facade of &#8220;<em>democracy</em>&#8220;, are carrying this genocide out primarily through mass non-White invasion (labeled as “<em>migration</em>”) but also through the promotion of feminism, miscegenation, abortion, homosexuality, gender dysphoria, etc.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">In addition, to facilitate the effects of such dysgenic factors, Organized jewry has subjected Whites to — over generations now — psychological warfare, through their control over the media, education, etc., to induce White guilt and self-hate.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">The ultimate aim of these programs is to bring about a <strong>Jew World Order</strong> ruling over former White countries, that will have been turned into multi-racial brown skinned, dysfunctional societies, no longer able to resist jewish tyranny.</span></p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">TRANSCRIPT</span></h1>
<p style="text-align: center;">(13:55 mins)</p>
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<p>Racially conscious Whites are often frustrated that people of European descent do not understand a simple fact that others take for granted. That it is normal for an ethnic group, or race, to want to survive and to avoid displacement by others. Unlike people of other races Whites seem to demand some kind of objective, rather than subjective, reason for survival.</p>
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<p>Activists have long hoped a respected academic would offer an objective, scientific justification, for the defense by Whites of their own ethno-racial interests. One such academic publication however was written almost two decades ago.</p>
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<p>Dr Frank Salter of the Max Planck Society published in a peer-reviewed journal called Population and Environment, in volume 24, number to, November 2002, a tour de force article entitled Estimating Ethnic Genetic Interests – Is it Adaptive to Resist Replacement Migration? And it is the single most important intellectual contribution to ethno-racial studies available today.</p>
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<p>Mainstream discussions about immigration usually consider only secondary questions such as economics, crime, culture, etc. They ignore the ultimate interest of a people, genetic continuity. Which is the focus of Dr Salter’s paper.</p>
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<p>In the very first sentence he asks the central question:</p>
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<h3>“Does ethnic competition over territory pay off in terms of reproductive fitness.”</h3>
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<p>From an evolutionary standpoint fitness means reproductive fitness, or the propagation of distinctive genes from one generation to the next. Living organisms can be seen as the vehicles by which this propagation occurs. Thus as Dr Salter explains, adaptive behavior maintains, or increases the frequency of one’s distinctive genes in the population. Family, or kin, share many of the same distinctive genes. So a person’s fitness is increased by the survival and reproductive success of his kin.</p>
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<p>This is also true for ethnic groups, or ethnies, which is the term Dr Salter prefers. Like families ethnic have more distinctive genes in common with each other than they do with other populations. The same can be said of members of the same race. Although the genetic kinship of ethnic members is more diluted than that of family members, ethnies are large reservoirs of genetic interests for the members therefore just as a person has a great genetic interest in the well-being of his family, so does a German have for Germans, an Italian for Italians, etc.</p>
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<p>In this sense it can be as adaptive to support one’s ethno-racial group, as to support one’s family. A defined territory is crucial for the survival of ethnony according to Dr Salter. The special quality of a defended territory is that it insulates a population from the vicissitudes of demographic disturbance. Acquisition and defensive territory are therefore an integral part of the tribal strategy of humans.</p>
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<p>The passionate relationship between a people and it’s homeland has been constant throughout history. And as Dr Salter points out a people can suffer many setbacks, but as long as it retains it’s own territorial space, it can recover.</p>
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<p>In the long run only territory ensures survival. And human history is largely a record of groups expanding and contracting, conquering, or being conquered, migrating, or being displaced by migrants. The loss of territory whether by military defeat, or displacement by alien groups, brings ethnic diminishment, or destruction. Precisely what is happening in the multicultural West today.</p>
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<p>A large part of Dr Salter’s work in this paper is a quantitative analysis of this negative genetic impact. The analysis is based on two concepts. Carrying capacity and genetic kinship. Carrying capacity is the maximum population that can live in a given territory. Although technology and increased economic efficiency can increase carrying capacity there is a practical limit above which further population growth is simply not possible.</p>
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<p>Many ecologists believe we are approaching, or have surpassed the practical carrying capacity of the earth. Even if these ecologists are wrong about the earth as a whole, it is clear that carrying capacity has already been exceeded in those areas where overpopulation has badly damaged the environment, or depleted natural resources.</p>
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<p>Immigration undermines the interests of native populations, even if their territory has not reached it’s carrying capacity. For example, the carrying capacity of the United States is probably significantly greater than it’s current population.</p>
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<p>However, one day it’s carrying capacity will be reached. And if at that point part of the country is filled with the descendants of today’s immigrants, heritage Americans will have no room into which they can expand. In other words, even if the carrying capacity of the US is as high as 600 million, or more, if that population figure is ever reached, some portion will be the descendants of genetically alien immigrants.</p>
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<p>The presence of millions of non-Whites will make the parts of the US they occupy unavailable to Whites. And we may reach this carrying capacity sooner than later, as America, as is the rest of the globe is a closed system.</p>
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<p>Dr Salter notes that immigrants can change the caring capacity of their new nation. Intelligent, hard-working immigrants, could in theory raise the carrying capacity by increasing the efficiency at which resources are used, or incompetent immigrants can drain on resources and lower the carrying capacity. Obviously the latter is occurring in all countries in the West.</p>
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<p>The other concept central to Dr Salter’s paper is genetic kinship. Even though all humans share many genes, kinship is a measure of the genetic similarities and differences above and beyond this general gene sharing. It measures the relative frequencies of ethnically distinctive genes. Kinship values can be either positive, or negative.</p>
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<p>If individuals, or groups share more genes than is typical of a population then the kinship is positive. If they share fewer genes than average kinship is negative.</p>
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<p>Genetic kinship can be mathematically derived from studies of the genetic variation, or distance between populations.</p>
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<p>The genetic data that form the basis of Dr Salter’s quantitative analysis are from the work of Luigi Luca Cavalli Sforza’s 1994 book, The History And Geography Of Human Genes, which examine the frequencies of genetic variations in a broad range of human populations. In general the data are sound. And they can be used to measure the extent of the damage alien immigration does to the genetic interests of native populations.</p>
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<p>It is important to note that Dr Salter treats the arrival of immigrants not as a simple addition to the population. But as a one-for-one displacement of natives. This is methodologically correct, because when a nation reaches it’s carrying capacity it is the presence of immigrants and their descendants that make it impossible for natives to increase their numbers.</p>
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<p>What may not appear to be one for one displacement today, will, in retrospect, be seen to be precisely that in future.</p>
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<p>Dr Salter expresses the loss of genetic ethnic interest in units, he calls “<em>child equivalence</em>”. In other words, for any given member of the native population, what is the number of lost children that would equal the loss of his ethnic genetic interests caused by the arrival of a certain number of aliens.</p>
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<p>Note that we are not talking about actual children. But the gene equivalents put into the form of a genetic parent-child relationship.</p>
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<p>Put differently the arrival of immigrants from other ethnics will change the genetic character of a population and make it more alien to every member of the native ethny. The amount of genetic change from the point of view of any given member of the native ethny can be calculated as the equivalent of the number of children not born to that person.</p>
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<p>An example will make this clearer. Dr Salter begins by considering the English as the native population and examines the effects of the immigration of ten thousand Danes an ethny that is genetically very close to the English. Replacing ten thousand Englishmen with ten thousand Danes, changes the genetic characteristics of the population so much that the resulting post-displacement population differs from the undisturbed population by the equivalent of an Englishman, or woman, not having had 167 children. Again we are not talking about actual children, but of the genetic equivalent.</p>
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<p>Let us consider another example. What if the immigrants were Bantus, a population very genetically distant from the English, rather than Danes. Here the genetic cost to any given Englishman of the arrival of ten thousand Bantu’s, is the equivalent of ten thousand eight hundred and fifty four lost children.</p>
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<p>Clearly the extent of the genetic transformation of a population depends on the genetic distance between the native and immigrant populations. And what if the level of immigration were larger, and more in keeping with the massive displacement of Western peoples we see today?</p>
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<p>The English population is roughly 50 million. If 12 and a half million were replaced by an equal number of Danes, the genetic loss to the English would be the equivalent of 209,000 children not born. If the immigrants were from India, the loss would be 2.6 million children. If the immigrants were sub-Saharan African, 14 million.</p>
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<p>These figures are not guesses, or estimates. They are objective mathematical results based on genetic data accepted by the scientific community. And you can be assured that the top brass in the liberal intellectual elite understand all of this!</p>
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<p>While plunging birth rates may be genetically damaging for European derived peoples, the replacement by genetically alien immigrants is far worse. A falling birth rate reduces the population, but does not transform it genetically. And a future increase in birth rates can always make up for the loss.</p>
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<p>Once immigrants have established themselves in a native territory their genes are a permanent addition. From the standpoint of genetic ethnic interest the idea that immigration makes up for low native birth rates is pathological.</p>
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<p>And why does immigration cause such large genetic loss? Dr Salter writes, random members of an ethnic group are concentrated stores of each other’s distinctive genes, just as children and cousins are concentrated stores, some ethnies are so differently genetically that they amount to a large negative store of those distinctive genes.</p>
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<p>Also migration has a double impact on fitness. First by reducing the potential ceiling of the native population. And secondly by replacing those lost individuals familiar genes with exotic varieties.</p>
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<p>Dr Salter also stresses that this loss is not somehow reduced by being spread over the entire native population. The loss in terms of genetic equivalence reflects the change of population from the point of view of every member of that native populous.</p>
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<p>It is well understood that within group charity is potentially adaptive, because it encourages the survival of kindred genes. Dr Salter explains that the self-sacrificial heroism that preserves one group genetic interest, is also a form of adaptation.</p>
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<p>For example, Dr Salter points out that an act of charity, or heroism performed by an Englishman that prevented ten thousand Danes from replacing ten thousand Englishmen, would be worthwhile genetically, even if the Englishman sacrificed his life, and with it the potential of having up to 167 children.</p>
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<p>Preventing replacement by Bantu’s would justify an even larger sacrifice, given the greater potential loss of genetic interest.</p>
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<p>It is clear then that pro-White activism intended to avoid displacement is normal and adaptive, and justified by rational analysis. It is multicultural surrender that is pathological. As all peoples in all periods of history have instinctively known. Men have not had to be taught to die for their countries. The preservation of their land and people has been more important to them than life itself.</p>
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<p>Dr Salter further observes that White Americans have, in the name of multiculturalism, engaged in a unilateral withdrawal from ethnic competition, with devastating results for their genetic interests.</p>
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<p>The majority also suffer from minority free-riding of two kinds. Minorities that cluster at the bottom of the social scale form an underclass that increases it’s reproductive fitness by absorbing resources and welfare from the majority, making the majority pay for it’s own genetic dispossession, and loss of fitness. At the same time more competitive minorities can manipulate public policy in their ethnic favor, against the interests of the majority.</p>
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<p>Dr Salter’s paper can be summarized as follows. Ethnies and races are large reservoirs of genetic interest for group members. Ethnic genetic interests are real and vitally important. Genetic kinship can be calculated and the harm to any persons, or groups ethnic genetic interests resulting from alien immigration can be quantified. Immigration of even closely related groups has a negative impact on genetic interests. And this detrimental influence increases rapidly with a greater genetic distance.</p>
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<p>Putting this detrimental impact in the form of child equivalence is a particularly powerful way of demonstrating these effects. If people of European descent understood that every non-White face they see is diminishing their personal and group interests, they might begin to understand that they are being ill-served at a fundamental genetic level by non-European immigration, and the ideology of multiculturalism.</p>
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<p>Dr Salter’s paper stands as an objective, scientifically, sound justification for the active pursuit of ethnic and racial interests. Liberals cannot deny the facts discussed here, nor can they deny that they point to the necessity of European ethno-racial nationalism. The formation of ethnic-based national states is the most efficient way of safeguarding ethnic genetic interest.</p>
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<p>Closing off the safety valve of Third World immigration to the West should be as attractive to the sincere Left as to the racial Right.</p>
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<p>Dr Salter’s works must be widely disseminated among thinking Whites. For the survival of our people will eventually depend on such scientific narratives.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[[Blair Cottrell, an Australian nationalist, succinctly explains why Whites, with their high trust natures, can fall prey to mass deception by (((merchants))). &#160; — KATANA] &#160; &#160; Blair Cottrell &#160; Explains Why White European &#160; People Are So Easily Fooled &#160; &#8230; <a href="https://katana17.com/2021/11/20/blair-cottrell-explains-why-white-european-people-are-so-easily-fooled-aug-6-2021-transcript/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Blair Cottrell, an Australian nationalist, succinctly explains why Whites, with their high trust natures, can fall prey to mass deception by (((merchants))).</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">—<strong> KATANA</strong>]</span></p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;">Blair Cottrell</h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Explains Why White </span><span style="color: #ff0000;">European </span></h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">People Are So Easily Fooled</span></h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #333333;">Aug 6, 2021</span></h1>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Published on Aug 6, 2021</strong></p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>BitChute Description</b></span></h3>
<p style="text-align: center;">BLAIR COTTRELL EXPLAINS WHY WHITE EUROPEAN PEOPLE ARE SO EASILY FOOLED. PLEASE SHARE/MIRROR THIS.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">First published at 04:53 UTC on August 6th, 2021.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">TRANSCRIPT</span></h1>
<p style="text-align: center;">(3:16 mins)</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[00:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p>What is it about you? What is it about me? What is it about us, which makes us so easy to deceive? Why do we believe in lies and accept false information as fact? What’s the psychology behind this?</p>
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<p>Well, we make two very big mistakes.</p>
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<p>Whenever we are confronted with information which could potentially be false, especially when it is part of a large scale deception. First we think there’s no way somebody could have put that much effort into a lie! And there’s no way so many people could be in on it!</p>
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<p>There’s no way they would write books about it trying to pass it off as fact.</p>
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<p>There’s no way they would make movies about it.</p>
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<p>There’s no way it would be on TV news all the time.</p>
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<p>There’s no way intellectuals and professors in the universities would lecture about it. It wouldn’t be part of our public school curriculum.</p>
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<p>There’s just no way!</p>
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<p>Second mistake we make, is when we are surrounded by large numbers of people who all believe something, we tend to believe it too.</p>
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<p>And when we are confronted by the possibility that what everybody believes may not be true, we think there’s no way so many people could have fallen for it!</p>
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<p>There’s no way so many people could have been deceived! It just doesn’t seem possible to us.</p>
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<p>These are two very big mistakes.</p>
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<p>Because first of all, there are people in the world who have, and will continue, to put that much effort into deception.</p>
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<p>And second of all, people are extremely easy to deceive.</p>
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<p>Regular people, especially in large numbers, very easy to fool!</p>
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<p>See, what you have to understand is, the people with power in the world today, they have very mercantile minds.</p>
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<p>To explain what I mean.</p>
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<p>If you go to China, or some parts of the Arab world, these are very mercantile people as well. You go to one of their markets and you buy some food, and you are supposed to receive the equivalent of $15 change, but they only give you $9.</p>
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<p>The way the merchant over there sees it, is that if you don’t check your change, then you deserved it! You see, the principle of the merchant, is this.:</p>
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<h3>“Let those that can be fooled, be fooled!”</h3>
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<p>And the most powerful people in the world today, as I said, they conduct themselves by this same principle. They are extremely mercantile.</p>
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<p>They think that if you can be deceived, then they should deceive you, and they will deceive you!</p>
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<p>They think it is your fault for believing them.</p>
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<p>It doesn’t matter how much effort they put into their deception, they always think it is on you, in the end!</p>
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<p>And a lot of the time they are correct. It is up to you to be more diligent. It is up to you to ask questions.</p>
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<p>The problem with people in the West today, in part of the world where I live, we all think that everybody is as honest as we are. And that is why we are the easiest people to fool.</p>
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<p>And like I said, it’s on us to be more diligent.</p>
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<p>The way the world is governed today, the people who govern it, they think that if you can be fooled, then you should be fooled, and will be fooled!</p>
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<p>If you can’t understand this, then you will be always be the fool!</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[3:16]</strong></span></p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">END</span></h3>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Millennial Woes continues his tradition of yearly Millenniyule series of interviews that started in Dec, 2016.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Here he chats with the thought provoking and entertaining Prof Ed Dutton, aka The Jolly Heretic, an Englishman living in Finland. They discuss witches, both old and new, the damaging effects to academia done by too many females, sex and violence, feminism, the patriarchy, etc.<br />
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #333333;">Dec 29, 2020</span></h1>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Dr Edward Dutton. So Ed welcome to Millenniyule!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Hello. Thank you for having me again. How’s it going?</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> It’s going quite well so far. As I say we’ve only got one, two, nights left. Well one night after this. So Millenniyule 2020 seems to have been a great success I’m very glad to say. So anyway, what kind of year have you had before we go into the main topic.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well, what’s been going on this year? So I was working on, for a lot of the year, on a book, on a number of books. Well, at the end of last year I got onto the radar of Hope Not Hate! That was good fun. So I was in their magazine, whatever. Their thing about YouTube people.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah. Annual State of Hate Report.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Chucked off PayPal and things like this. And then I carried on with my YouTube channel.</p>
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<p>And then my colleague Michael Woodley of <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[word unclear]</strong></span>, for various reasons left the YouTube channel halfway through the year. So I had to rebuild it. Which at first I was quite frightened about. And it was a bit of a kick in the nuts really. But I seem to have managed to do that. So I was quite pleased about that. I kept that going and whatever.</p>
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<p>And then I’ve been working on a number of books. One’s called “<em>Making Sense of Race</em>”, which was published a few weeks ago. And then I’m working on a book at the moment called “<em>Witch is Feminism and the Fall of the West</em>” which looks at how our society is increasingly dominated by literal witches!</p>
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<p>And then I’m working on a book on the future of civilization have in terms of breeding patterns for political views. And then I’m working on a book about the future Christianity. And then I’ve done various papers on various topics, intelligence, and religion and intelligence, and things like this. And then otherwise there was, &#8230;</p>
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<p>Oh! And I was made professor! I was recognized! I was made full professor of Evolutionary Psychology at Asbiro university in Poland, despite all the evil.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Congratulations on that!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> And then what else has gone on? And then, no. And then, that’s it! And then well, I one thing I got back into the other day with my, &#8230; I was couldn’t work out what to buy my son for Christmas. And so I got him a WWF wrestling game for the playstation. And I’d completely forgotten about how brilliant WWF was.</p>
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<p>And then I found out about all the skullduggery behind the scenes and all this stuff, which I’ve been watching documentaries about that. And then I’ve noticed that the wokeness of wrestling! So now the wrestlers have gone from being big, beefy, guys they were in the early 90s, to people that like:</p>
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<p>This is what’s going on now. So even that’s fallen into wokeness. And lots of women wrestlers and stuff like that, as well. So even that’s gone! Even they’ve even taken hold of WWF, which is very sad. So yes, that’s been my year. What about yours?</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Oh it’s been not quite as productive as your year, from the sounds of it. But yeah, I mean, most people have talked about the BLM have Covid, and lockdown, and the US election. But obviously, you. And I have a different topic that we’re going to discuss. It’s to do with the book that you’ve got coming out next next year, about witches, transsexualism, and feminism.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Which is in “<em>Witch is Feminism and the Fall of the West</em>”.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> And the fall of the West. Okay. So, first of all could you get us into this topic by discussing the archetype, or the figure of the “<em>witch</em>”?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Yeah. So I got thinking about it, &#8230; There was a comment actually that was made by Robin Riley, who I think you interviewed. And it was that comment that inspired it. That she was confronted with these purple-headed dragons, or something, and she said:</p>
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<p>I mean, the height of the witchcraft was the 17th century. And what were the kind of people that are witches now? What was going on? What’s the dynamic of the witch? What does the witch actually do? What’s her function? Why did they want to kill them? Are we supposed to believe the narrative that they were just unpleasant? They were just picked on, or whatever? Or is there something more to it?</p>
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<p>And the more you look into it, what you’ve got is a system in evolutionary terms, as I discussed when I was on here last year, you can pass on your genes directly by having children. You can pass them on kin selection by looking after your nephews and nieces. And you can pass them on by elevating your inclusive fitness! That is your group, your extended kinship group, your ethnic group.</p>
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<p>And once that happens then well certainly with the aristocracy of these two groups fighting, you get into a situation of group selection. Of two groups fighting each other to win out. And then, if you look at the qualities which ensure that you would dominate, that you win in the battle of group selection — and computer modeling has looked at those — these are high positive and negative ethnocentrism. High positive ethnocentrism is internal cooperation. High negative ethnocentrism external violence. So those are the groups that dominate.</p>
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<p>So what the group is going to be selected to do, is to optimize it’s group fitness by ensuring it’s ethnocentric. How does it do this? Well, one of the things it does is it brings in religion. And religion makes adaptive things i.e., positive and negative ethnocentrism into the will of god. But another thing it needs to do, is it needs to ensure there isn’t much conflict. You need in cooperation.</p>
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<p>So you can’t have inter-male conflict. Inter-male conflict is a bad thing! Now a lot of societies, weak societies, they’re under weak levels of selection pressure, like in Africa, or whatever. There’s massive inter-male conflict, because there’s polygamy. And so all of the women want to go for the high status males.</p>
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<p>And so you get, in the case of the Bushmen, about 60% of the male population don’t breed! And what those men spend their time doing, is fighting and whatever. And so there’s this very little in the way of cooperation! It’s not good for the group.</p>
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<p>So you have to reduce inter-male conflict! How do you reduce inter-male conflict? You create patriarchy! And there was a fascinating paper which looked at this. It was in the “<em>Mankind Quarterly</em>”. You create patriarchy. What patriarchy does it means that the male has control over the female. He controls her sexuality. She is controlled, by him whatever means it is. Whether it’s foot binding, or veiling, or whatever. But he controls her sexuality, so she is not independent of him. And that’s patriarchy.</p>
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<p>And therefore the patriarchy helps to ensure the group is more positively and negatively ethnocentric. And therefore the patriarchy becomes part of the religiousness and becomes the will of god, and is promoted as the will of god. So that’s it! And the witches deviate from this.</p>
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<p>And if you look at the kind of people that were accused of being witches everywhere — men are a slight exception that we I look at separately in the book. Basically the men that are accused of being witches are anti-social men! So they’re damaging to group selection. Group selection is about cooperation. They’re anti-social men! So they get accused of witchcraft. Deeply unpopular anti-social types.</p>
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<p>It’s mostly women, because what these women are doing is inadvertently questioning the patriarchy. They do that in a number of ways. One, they work as prostitutes. They work as financially independent women, which is showing other women that they can operate outside the patriarchy, and which is also undermining the system of sexual ethics, and whatever. So prostitutes are accused of being witches.</p>
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<p>Two, they’re sexually loosely! They have illegitimate children. Things like this. Again, they’re not conforming to the patriarchy. They should never be alone with a man. They’re not conforming to the patriarchy!</p>
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<p>So thirdly, they are independent women, they’re widows that have money, and are independent, or they’re spinsters and they never marry. And so they operate as independent women.</p>
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<p>Fourthly, they are anti-social women, who in a context of literal belief in witchcraft do actually believe it. They’re basically operating a separate religion of folk magic, which is therefore a rival to the patriarchal system. And so some of these people would genuinely believe that they were witches. And they would genuinely believe they had magic powers. And they would confess to it, and whatever.</p>
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<p>And so in all of these ways that you can see that from an evolutionary perspective these witches were people that were undermining the patriarchy. And that’s why at times of intense selection — and that’s what the 16th the 17th century was, it was bloody cold — there was very intense group selection.</p>
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<p>And so you can see how therefore the group is under harsh selection for religiousness. And it becomes so religious that gradually across the 16th and 17th century they start persecuting witches, particularly in your native Scotland. That was where it was very, very intense.</p>
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<p>James sixth of Scotland, first of England, wrote a book on this, which I quoted extensively in my own book and he said:</p>
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<p>And I agree with him. So this is basically what you have. This is the nature of the witch! It is the person that undermines the patriarchal system. And in a system of harsh group selection it is adaptive to remove those people from the population, because they will spread negative social epistasis. They will spread behavior which undermines the group’s inclusive fitness. And so therefore they had to be removed, or they had to be stopped. And that’s what you get!</p>
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<p>And you get it more intensely the more harsh the group selection. So it’s much harsher in the north of Europe than in the south of Europe. And so, yeah that’s basically the essence of it.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> I can imagine a feminist hearing this and feeling quite vindicated. That witchcraft, the demonizing of certain women, was all an attempt by men to stay in power and maintain their power structure. And you seem to be saying that:</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well, there’s slightly more to it than that. So yes, this is the nature of these witches. And so what you have is a society which is adapted towards patriarchy. If you are a female and you are patriarchal, you will signal that you are patriarchal. You will signal that you are religious. This is why one of the reasons why women are more religious than men.</p>
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<p>Men will want religiousness, because it will be a sign, the woman is saying in order to have sex with me you have to invest! Then the man wants evidence that she’s not going to cuckold him. What is the evidence that she’s not going to cuckold him? It’s conformity to the patriarchal system. What is the evidence that they conform to the patriarchal system? It’s religiousness!</p>
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<p>So you’re going to have a system where religiousness is going to become selected for, particularly in women, where submission to the patriarchal system is going to become selected for, particularly in women, and women that don’t select for, don’t conform, will not pass on their genes. And so the way that you will get women who don’t conform to the patriarchal system, and who go into prostitution, and illegitimacy, and witchcraft, and all these things that deviate from the patriarchal system, is through mutation. So you’ll get mutant genes!</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Spiteful mutants!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Right! People who are high in mutational load will be born every generation, and they will die, because the child mortality rate in 17th century, 18th century, was 50%. And they will die out to varying degrees, of course, but they will die out.</p>
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<p>And what you would expect is for these people who deviated mentally from the norm in terms of not being patriarchal and thus being accused of witchcraft for that reason, you’d also expect them to express other maladaptive behavior. Such as being mentally ill. Such as having depression. Such as having schizophrenia. Such as histrionic disorder. Such as being anti-social. Such as all the things that are associated with witches! So you’d expect them to be these ghastly, nasty, psychopathic, women who we are warned in fairy tales that we have to avoid! These nasty women, that live in gingerbread houses and kill you, or whatever.</p>
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<p>And that’s what these women were! They were at the bottom of society, because and not only that, but, of course, the brain is about 84 percent of the genome. And so if you’ve got mutations of the brain, you’re going to sure as dammit have mutations of the body, because the brain is a massive target for mutation. And so this means that they’re going to be physically ugly! They’re going to have ugly faces, and big noses, and big chins. And they’re going to age quickly, just as the stereotypical witch did!</p>
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<p>And. So if you look in detail those that were targeted, it was women who were spinsters, it was women, &#8230; I think I read that it was over half of those that were executed for witchcraft across the 17th century were spinsters, over the age of 50.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> So that’s, because they were ugly?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Exactly! Why would they spinsters. Because they were ugly! Because men don’t want ugly women.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> But then the other fifty percent of them must have been sexually promiscuous.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Widows, prostitutes, those that practiced magic, whatever. But yeah, so generally they were physically unattractive. So you have a situation where under conditions of harsh Darwinian selection, health correlates with intelligence, health correlates with good character, good character intelligence, good genes and they all are co-morbid.</p>
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<p>And so those that rise to the top in that kind of society, are going to be highly patriarchal. And those that deviate from this, will be at the bottom, because of their personality, because of their low intelligence.</p>
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<p>And, because of their high mutational load, which will mean that they’ll be more likely to find them being witches. So they were at the bottom of society these people, these anti-feminists. These women who were adapted to a fast life history strategy and ecology. Basically of the pump and dump, of live fast, die young. That’s the kind of people we’re talking about, right? Basically women that were whores, sluts, or wanna be whores, sluts. And that’s who ends up at the bottom of society.</p>
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<p>Now, once those conditions break down. And that’s what you get in 1800. Once those conditions break down. So we go from 50% child mortality to 1% child mortality today, then you get a huge rise in mutational load across the population. You get more, and more, people who are mentally ill more, who deviate from what we were selected for was to be patriarchal, was to be religious, was to be pro-social personality, and was to be intelligent.</p>
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<p>And you get more, and more, people that deviate from this. And it’s gonna normally be in a negative direction, because it was so strongly selected for these things. And they are going to be higher in mutational load. And they’re going to be physically ugly, and whatever.</p>
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<p>But the selection pressure broke down first among the higher classes! They were under weaker selection pressure for longer. What is it that weakens selection pressure? Good housing, access to medicine, wealth basically. And so they have been under weaker selection for longer. And so you’re going to expect higher mutational load.</p>
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<p>Remember the heritability of socioeconomic status is very high! It’s about 0.7. Higher mutational load among the higher classes. And therefore the witch, the women who are these maladaptive spiteful mutant witches, have moved from the lower classes to the upper classes!</p>
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<p>And you get these women in those classes who are anti-patriarchal, who advocate male roles for women, who are aggressive, who are anti-religious, who advocate destructive ideologies for the group, who advocate things that just mess the group up and make the group maladaptive, and low and positive and negative ethnocentrism, who advocate the destruction — what is it that causes the reduction into male conflict monogamy? So they advocate the breakdown of monogamy.</p>
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<p>So you have an increasing system whereby there’s lots of men that can’t get women. And so you have, you know, as we now see. And so they have lesbianicious tendencies. And they are feminists! They call themselves feminists. And they are the modern day witches!</p>
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<p>And they are also physically ugly! I mean, there’s detailed studies on this that show that feminist identification correlates being ugly! It correlates with having masculine hands! It correlates with all kinds of markers of being <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[word unclear]</strong></span> and unattractive.</p>
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<p>So you have basically these witch spinsters of yore, and the witch spinsters now! The social class has changed. But they are both witches. And the difference was that under pre-modern conditions we were adapted to be highly religious and thus skeptical of witches, so we dealt with them! Right? We jailed them, or we hanged them.</p>
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<p>Now, because of a build-up of mutational load. And also, because of the destruction of the conservative society, and the inculcation of society, the flip of society over to these Leftist values that promotes Leftist ideas, anti-group ideas, as the norm.</p>
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<p>Once you reach about 20 percent of the society advocating maladaptive things everyone moves over, apart from the genetic cream. Then people are inculcated by these feminists. Normal women are inculcated by these feminists to do maladaptive things. To delay fertility. To not have children, and whatever. And to destroy their own children! To allow their own children to be transsexuals. To what whatever it happens to be.</p>
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<p>And. So that’s what I think we’ve got. The modern day feminists are literally witches! And when James VI of Scotland said:</p>
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<p>Yeah, they are. And they’re here now, and they’re called feminists!</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> But he didn’t mean, just for the sake of clarification, when James VI said that, he didn’t mean that witches are real in the sense of supernatural beings, you know, working with potions that alter, you know, affect life in a metaphysical way, did he?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Yeah! He strongly believed in, he literally believed in witches. And he believed that they tried to kill him when he was trying to get married to his Norwegian wife. And they tried to sink his ship. And that’s how this witch craze in southern Scotland in the 1590s, that’s how that started. And lots and lots of people were killed.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> But out of interest, do you believe that there is any supernatural element to this? And presumably not.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> No. But I think that what you’re dealing with the same type of people. But, for the reason I laid out, these people have migrated from the lower class, from what was called the lower sort the people at the bottom of society, to the people basically near the top of society, which is where these feminists tend to be.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah. The Champagne socialists.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Yeah! Yeah! But you’ve got to talk about the really extreme examples, because a champagne socialist might just be some stupid private school girl, like Harriet Harman*, or something that push pushes the society in a maladaptive direction.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left; padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Harriet Ruth Harman is a British politician and solicitor who has served as Member of Parliament for Camberwell and Peckham, formerly Peckham, since 1982. A member of the Labour Party, she has served in various Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet positions.]</span></p>
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<p>I’m talking about the people who influence her! So the Andrea Dworkin, the Kate Millet! The real battle axe feminists.</p>
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<p>Now one of the interesting things about. And it’s a parallel, so what we’re thinking is that women are selected to patriarchy. What does that mean? It means that the woman is submissive! It means that the woman is selected to what’s called a slow life history strategy. A woman that’s selected to patriarchy is the kind of woman that is selected to a society where you invest! The man invests in the woman, and the man invests in the children. And the woman invests in the man, and is loyal to the man. And the woman invests and nurtures the children</p>
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<p>So we’re talking about a mother, rather than a whore, basically. If you think about the deviation from this, is a fast life history strategy. If you’re evolved to an unstable ecology, live fast, die young, you could be wiped out at any minute. And so you don’t bother with nurture and bonding with people, because there might never be any pay off.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> R-type and K-type.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Yeah, R-type individual. That’s right, as we talked about last year. And so those, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> There is actually the expression “<em>fast women</em>” ironically, from decades gone by.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Right. Yeah, well that’s what we’re talking about. These kinds of women, right? And so they are evolved to an ecology of violence and whatever, where the men don’t invest in them. It’s not patriarchal at all! The men don’t invest in them, they are not invested in. They have to take on some of the male roles. It’s perhaps the polygamy and the man will invest in them for a bit, and then shun them in favor of the new younger, more nubile wife. And so they will have to bring up their children somehow. One of the things they will do, by the way, is alloparent*.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left; padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Alloparenting is a term used to classify any form of parental care provided by an individual towards a non-descendant young. Non-descendant refers to any young who is not the direct genetic offspring of the individual, but does not exclude related young such as siblings, or grandchildren]</span>.</p>
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<p>So they’ll get together with other co-wives and like lesbianiciously bring up the children. And it’s been suggested that’s the heritability of sexuality in women is very, very low. It’s 0.2. And it’s been suggested that one of the reasons for this is that women are adapted to this kind of situation, where you have to be able to — you’re going to get dumped, basically. So you have to be able to bring up your children.</p>
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<p>And so you bond strongly to the point of sex with another woman, and you co-parent your children. Which is what happens to Sanna Marin <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[born 16 November 1985]</strong></span> who’s the current Prime Minister of Finland <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[since Dec, 2019]</strong></span>. We have it, by the way, a kind of witch government of Finland! I call them the spice girls. But you, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Or the spiteful girls! <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Spiteful girls! That’s very good, my Scottish friend in earlier, calls from the “<em>spice girls</em>”. He came up with that one. But the “<em>spiteful girls</em>”, that’s excellent! That’s right, that’s very good! I might have to quote you on that.</p>
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<p>And so what you have is these women who, because they have to take on some of the masculine roles, because they’re not being looked after, there’s no patriarchy, they’re more masculinized! They’re much more physically and mentally masculinized.</p>
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<p>Now one of the things that’s interesting in terms of the witch. So you’re <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[word unclear]</strong></span> and therefore they’re physically ugly and unattractive, which is true stereotypically, and provenly true of these feminists . And, of course, true based on the historical sources of these witches. Masculinized, unattractive, ugly, women. Also faster life history strategy, greater diversity, more ugliness.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[23:08]</strong></span></p>
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<p>But what’s fascinating is the fantasies they have. So it’s been shown that women feminist identification weakly correlates with having rape fantasies.</p>
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<p>Now, why would that be the case? Well, because if you’re in a fast life history ecology, the kind of man you want, the kind of man whose genes will be passed on, the kind of man if you have his children your children will survive, will be a violent, domineering kind of kind of guy, because that’s who survives in an unstable ecology. Selection isn’t particular particularly favoring intelligence, or emotions, or character, or whatever. It favors a violent, you know, sort of WWE <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[World Wrestling Entertainment]</strong></span> wrestler, Chris Benoit type. Well that’s perhaps not a good example, but whatever.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> It’s interesting thing that such women also create social discord, so that it is the violent men who will be able to survive that situation.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> That’s a very good point! Precisely. That’s what I want to move on to now. You’re ahead of me here Woes! So it’s like sperm selection. So the man ejaculates with half a billion spermatozoa, and the woman’s immune system, she wants to get pregnant,. But she also does everything she can to kill the sperm! So that only the strongest possible sperm can get through. Only the R-strategy sperm, if you like, can get through. So she violently repels the sperm, like she’s being raped! She fights it off. And ultimately only the strongest man, the strongest sperm, if any of them, can get past her violent defenses. And then that’s the one by which she gets pregnant. Well, that’s how these rape fantasies work.</p>
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<p>The woman is dominated by, she’s fantasizing about being raped by a fast life history man who can’t keep his hands off her. But ultimately, you know, by doing that, he’s proving ironically, that paradoxically, that he’s the man she wants. And so these fast life history strategy women will tend to have rape fantasies.</p>
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<p>And feminist identification has been shown to correlate with having, ironically, having rape fantasies. And two of the major feminists, or second wave feminists that you may have heard of, (((Andrea Dworkin))) and Kate Millet, both had intense rape fantasies, and wrote about them.</p>
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<p>In the case of Andrea Dworkin she thought it was real! Obviously it wasn’t. I mean, she was a fat, ugly, hairy, old woman!</p>
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<p>I’ve got a paper that’s coming out soon on this. If you look at the witches in the 17th century. Right, first of all in England, not Scotland, forget Scotland, that’s different. In England they weren’t subject to torture, other than in the case of Matthew Hopkins, the Witch Finder General, where they were walked and sleep deprived. But put that thing aside. They weren’t subject to torture. They admitted freely to — in many cases it is documented — to being raped, to having sex with the devil!:</p>
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<h3>“The devil appeared to me in the form of a black man, and he had sex with me on six consecutive nights; the devil appeared in my chamber and he sucked my breasts until it hurts, and then he had sex with me from behind.”</h3>
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<p>Now what I think these were, were rape fantasies. And I think these are the kind of women who we would expect to have rape fantasies. These fast life history strategy, relatively fast strategy women. And I think that they were having, &#8230; There’s no reason, they weren’t tortured, they weren’t induced.</p>
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<p>And if you go back, the idea of the incubus, is very ancient it’s not some new thing that was created, or something, by the patriarchy to have a go at women, or whatever. It’s very ancient, the idea of the incubus, of women, these night devils. And equally, .</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Is that the same as the succubus?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> The succubus is a woman. A succubus is a woman. And now that’s an interesting point as well. Because if you look at the research on BDSM. So people that like, you know, hitting, and whipping, and canning, and stuff like this. Those people are tend to be fast life history strategists. And also the tendency is for the women to like to be hit, which makes sense, and the men to like to hit.</p>
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<p>Now why does, why is that the case? Well, because we know from the evolution of sex. There’s a very interesting book on this called “<em>A History of Rape</em>”, or something, “<em>A Natural History of Rape</em>”. I can’t remember the author, Palmer and something, or other.</p>
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<p>And they look at this. Why is sex related to violence? Why do men become more aroused by violent porn than normal porn? They become more aroused by rape porn than normal porn. They ejaculate more when watching rape porn, and violent porn, than normal porn, right?</p>
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<p>What’s going on? Well what’s happening is that in pre-history men that raped passed on more of their genes, of course! So, how do you pass all genes? Normally within marriage, or whatever. But also by ganging together and going around and gang raping. As you see with these Muslim immigrants, whatever, that are right at the bottom of society. That’s how you do it. And so therefore it would make sense that a man would be sexually aroused by violence. It would make sense that the two would go together, because it was the men that were, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah. I have heard that the parts of the brain in men that process violence and process sex are overlapping. I don’t know if that’s a physical thing, or just functional correlation.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Equally with women, you’re gonna get the same sort of thing. The women that would in a sense be aroused by violence, would get the more violent man. And that would be the man with the better gene quality in a fast life history strategy ecology, or the women that would just give in and would not be killed, or whatever.</p>
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<p>So there was an advantage to being aroused by violence. And this would be higher among fast life history strategy people. And so you can see where these relationships come from. And then that you can again further understand the relationship between fast life history strategy, non-patriarchal types, and this rape fantasies, and whatever. So I think that’s what you’re dealing with.</p>
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<p>And I think that basically this irony that these women who are these feminists, and whatever, go on about how:</p>
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<p>And they ultimately, probably, want to be hit, and smacked, and beaten up! And that’s what they want.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> There does seem to be a correlate. I mean, you hear about this. A correlation between women who hate men, and women who want to be beaten up by men. And rape fantasies, and so on.</p>
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<p>Just for the sake of clarification, because some people are saying in the live chat that they don’t have rape fantasy, they don’t like violent porn. For the record, <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span> I certainly don’t like it.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Hang on! Wait a minute. We are a broadly nationalist show yeah?</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> So people who are going to watch are going to be highly group selected and patriarchal. So why would they like rape fantasies and violent porn?</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> I see. I just wondered, because you were saying it’s part of our makeup from, ..</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> It is part of our makeup. But you’re going to get group and individual variation in the extent of it. And what I would expect is that the kind of people that were religious, or were patriarchal, or who would have survived under harsh Darwinian conditions that I’m talking about, they would be less inclined towards this stuff, than the mutants, than the feminists, than the witches, than whatever. So that’s it!</p>
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<p>So if I was on this show and there were a lot of Leftists watching. And they were perfectly honest, I think they would perhaps say:</p>
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<p>The other thing I was going to say though, that you mentioned with the succubus, was that the relationship is in general that when it comes to BDSM the men like to be the dominant partner and the woman the submissive.</p>
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<p>But there is crossover. And so you do get some, particularly men, that like to be the submissive. Why? Well, because if the woman could dominate them, then there’s a sense in which it’s like she’s a fast history strategy woman. Her genes would survive, good to get her pregnant.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Right.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> So you can see some crossover. But in general, not. So basically that’s it.</p>
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<p>So the rise of feminism then on that level is extremely bad for society! It’s the rise of anti-ethnocentrism. It elevates into male conflict, and it makes the society less group selected. And those that are advocating it are in that sense paralleling modern witches.</p>
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<p>The second problem then is another element of a society that dominates, that wins in the battle of group selection, is ingenuity, is intelligence, is genius. And what the genius is outlier high IQ combined with, &#8230; By the way, you said there’s a chat. I can’t see the chat! Where is this chat that you’ll see? I can’t see any chat in the comments.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Oh, hold up. All right, yes, because Stream Yard doesn’t show that. Hold on a second I’ll show you where it is. I’ll send this to you on Telegram so you can, ..</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> All right. What’s that on then? Oh yes. All right.</p>
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<p>So the other way that you win in the battle of group selection is genius. So even though the Japanese and the Chinese are more ethnocentric than us, they have a smaller gene pool than us, and they produce fewer per capita geniuses. They have fewer outliers, they produce fewer geniuses.</p>
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<p>And so what is the genius? The geniuses outlier high intelligence plus moderately psychopathic traits. That’s what the genius is. And so that means that he can come up with the original idea and he thinks outside the box, low conscientiousness, and he doesn’t care about offending people, which new ideas almost always do! You know, I had a chap on my show and he’s disputing dark matter. And there’s so much wrapped up in that he’s like an outcast in physics, just disputing dark matter.</p>
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<p>So women are a problem then! The promotion of women in academia then becomes, and in life in general, becomes a problem, because there’s less female genius. And one of the things that you have to do is you have to nurture geniuses. They’re often these kind of impractical types, they need someone to do their laundry for them, or do their cooking for them, or whatever.</p>
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<p>And so the universities were a place that nurtured genius. They would allow these people to get there and just get on with it! It was about finding out the truth! Indeed these universities were founded originally on religious lines. We’re here to discover the nature of god’s creation, and lies, therefore blasphemy!</p>
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<p>Now it’s been suggested by Simon Baron Cohen that you have an extreme male brain, which is basically autistic and focused on systematizing, and therefore essentially low in agreeableness and low in conscientiousness. And sort of quite the high testosterone they inter-correlate. That’s the male brain. High in systematizing, but blind to empathy.</p>
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<p>And the female brain is very high in empathy, but system blind. So what the female is concerned about is not truth! It’s not systematic, you know, understanding the world. There are things that are more important than truth! Like everyone getting along, and being happy, and feeling validated, and all that.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yes, of course.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> But it is inimicable to what the genius does, which is the search for truth! And so if you have a society where women are allowed into higher education, then eventually you’re going to get the distinction between the genius who’s going to be outlier intelligent, but socially awkward, and, you know, crap to work with, and whatever. And the “<em>head girl</em>” type! The type who runs Finland. The straight A’s pupil at school, who’s very reasonably intelligent, but not outlier intelligent. And who’s very conscientious, and very hard at work, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Very conformist!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Socially skilled, and conformist, absolutely conformist! Women are higher in conformism than men. Much higher conformism than men! Because they’re higher in agreeableness and higher in conscientiousness. And so who’s going to get the job, if you’re put up with a genius and someone like that? Well, obviously it’s going to be the woman that’s going to get the job, who would you like to work with?</p>
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<p>And so, then original ideas, and originality, and new ideas, and whatever goes! And the whole spirit of academia that it’s to do with coming up with original ideas, and challenging convention, and whatever, you know, come what may, is suppressed, in favor of the new model of university as a kind of nursery school. Where everyone’s a winner, and everyone has to be happy, and whatever.</p>
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<p>And eventually once the women make up about 20 of an organization, it starts to tip towards them and their values start to take over. And so the values of academia which is the pursuit of the truth no matter what, which is the genius strategy, that where you find out things, that goes!</p>
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<p>And so you have a society dominated by women and all these things that would have happened, you know, things that, &#8230; We’ll think of all the inventions that have come about. Rockets! If people think we’ll have died in the attempt to get to the moon. All of this wouldn’t happen, because you have women in charge and women are averse to these things and they want everyone, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah, absolutely! And so modern academia is a very conformist space which specializes in enforcing a consensus! And adopting it. I mean, I did a video just for the sake of plugging here, I did a video back at the very start, 2014, called “<em>How Feminism Killed the Space Age</em>”. And it was basically making this point. That once you have women in charge of things there is going to be less innovation. And there’s going to be less, because women are less interested in things that aren’t immediately useful. I think that men have an ability to get, &#8230;</p>
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<p>And they also have something called I would call “<em>random curiosity</em>”. I did a video with that title as well. Where I was making that point. That men can be fascinated by things which are not immediately relevant, or useful! But which end up being extremely relevant and useful. And I think that difference alone means that an academia dominated by women is going to be much less intellectually curious. Which is exactly what we see now!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Precisely! So that’s downstream of the destruction of patriarchy. And what that does to ethnocentrism. That’s the next problem.</p>
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<p>Now the next problem then is that a lot of these women are, of course, adapted to patriarchy — most women are adapted to some extent to patriarchy — undermine the patriarchy and undermine the religious system. And what you get is this free-for-all that we now have. What they promote, these feminists, is not just feminism, but it’s this broader undermining of the traditional system a and what that does is it undermines group selectiveness, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Just before you continue, there’s one thing that just occurred to me that I think (((Germane Greer))) actually said that:</p>
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<h3>“If women had been in charge all along, we would still be living in caves.”</h3>
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<p>I think that there’s a quote from Germane Greer about this. Let me just see if I can find it. But it’s basically backing up what you and I are saying here. Let me see if I can see it. Yeah, I don’t know, I can’t find it now. But anyway I’m pretty sure that even Germane Greer is on our side on this.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> I wouldn’t be at all surprised. And by the way, she has this fast life history strategy background. She was beaten up by her parents, and things. She confesses to this.</p>
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<p>So the downwind of that then, the next thing you get is the general Leftism of these feminists. So it’s undermining patriarchy. It’s undermining traditional values, promoting things like anti-natalism, and whatever. Being a feminist, as with the witches of yore, being a feminist and being a left-wing woman, of course, is associated with being mentally ill.</p>
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<p>Why? Because it’s a reflection of general mutational load. And also having high levels of depression tends to be associated with being individualistic, and self-interested, and just everything’s bad! Everything’s awful! And having just a negative view of the world. And then the next thing that becomes. The problem is that it creates this arms race of virtue signaling. Where you have to move on to the next group, and the next group, and the next group.</p>
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<p>And under normal conditions women are more religious than men. And they’re adapted to patriarchy, and they’re more religious than men. And this makes them more Right-wing and more conservative than men.</p>
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<p>If you undermine the religiosity, if you undermine the patriarchy, which directs the women, because the women remember are evolved to be directed, they are evolved to not make decisions for themselves, but to make their fathers make decisions, or their husbands make the decisions. Then, of course, they become completely maladaptive. More so than men. And this is what you see.</p>
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<p>So once the religiousness collapses and the religion itself stops being a protective force. They are more religious than men, but it becomes this left-wing deracinated religion of just pathological altruism! Of generalized altruism which means they’re highly in favor of immigration and stuff like that. And they make these very maladaptive decisions, which involve lots and lots of not having any children, and things like this.</p>
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<p>Furthermore it may be the case that women are literally selected to be less ethnocentric than men, because under prehistoric conditions, it would be the women that would be abducted and taken away by other tribes, and raped by them, and whatever. And so if they could be less ethnocentric then they would be more likely to survive.</p>
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<p>That may also be why women are better at learning languages than men, perhaps.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> And then they’re also more social. I mean, they need language in a more immediate ways than, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Yeah. And then the next thing is the issue of transsexuality. Which I think is absolutely fascinating! So you then move on to the next minority group, you know, this constant empathy, this constant desire, this female desire to constantly help the unfortunate, and help the marginalized and whatever.</p>
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<p>And then you end up with the issue of transsexuality. Now I think that it associates with this sort of stuff in the sense that it’s like. I mean, it’s kind of demonic! It’s basically telling us that, &#8230; It says in the Bible:</p>
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<h3>“The devil is the father of lies.”</h3>
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<p>And it’s basically telling us that “<em>lies are truth</em>” and “<em>truth is lies</em>”. The purpose is to make us in a situation where there’s no structure, there’s no order! In religious terms:</p>
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<h3>“God decides what you are. God is the source of ultimate truth. And god says you’re a man. God says you’re a woman. Jesus says I am the way the truth and the light. God is truth. There is objective truth. God is truth! And the only person who is his own truth is God!”</h3>
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<p>And what these transsexuals are saying is:</p>
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<h3>“If I say I am something then I am that!”</h3>
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<p>And in that sense they are saying:</p>
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<h3>“I am God!”</h3>
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<p>And so that you could argue that like the devil, they are literally a fallen angel that is challenging God! And I look at this in the book, and it’s worse than that! If you look at these things about titles. Who is it that we give a special pronoun to? It’s god! God gets a capital “<em>H</em>”. Who is it that demands their own pronouns? And to have different say what my pronoun is? Transsexuals! And who is it that says to you:</p>
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<h3>“Look, this is how I have to be addressed! I have to be addressed like this. And if you cheek me I will banish you!”</h3>
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<p>The monarch! Who is it that asserts:</p>
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<h3>“Oh, I have to be addressed in this way. And that’s what you have to do! And I want sanctions if you don’t!”</h3>
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<p>Transsexuals! So it strikes me that there is something kind of demonic about this. To humiliate people, and to just grind them into the dirt and say:</p>
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<h3>“There’s no meaning! There’s no nothing! There’s nothing! It’s this is just hell! There’s no meaning! There’s no logic! There’s no nothing! There’s nothing! It’s just about power! It’s about power! And you bow down to me! Bow down to me! And if I say I’m a man, I’m a man! If I say a woman, I’m a woman! And it’s power!”</h3>
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<p>And that’s either saying you’re god, or it’s something demonic, as far as I can see. I don’t literally believe in these. I’m saying that’s how you can interpret it.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah. And it does say, &#8230; I think Roger Scrutton might have made this point as well. That when he saw Leftists rioting in 1968 in Paris, it was as if they were wanting to be “<em>God</em>”. They wanted to take control of, to have power over everything. He made some vague point in that direction which I’m completely misquoting it, but that was the broad point that he was making.</p>
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<p>And apparently it was Camille Paglia who said that about, &#8230; It wasn’t Germane Greer, by the way, earlier on. People are correcting me.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Oh I see.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah, go on.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> No, I was just going to say that what you have, it’s quite interesting this, what you have with these transsexuals, if you want to understand what’s going on. Transexuality is strongly associated with autism.</p>
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<p>And it’s also strongly associated with being masculinized. I did a paper on this recently. It’s one of the only papers that’s got like an immediate complaint, demanding, saying it should never have passed peer review. And it should never have been published. And that was published by the journal. And that was written, of course, by a trans-woman. A trans-women academic.</p>
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<p>And what they are saying is all of these markers of being masculinized, associated with being a trans-woman. So trans-women, that’s male to female transsexuals, are more masculinized, psychologically and physically, than the average man. Now this is fascinating!</p>
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<p>Now what that means, autism is an expression — of which is low empathy, high systematizing, whatever — is an expression of being of masculinization! So people that are high in autistic traits tend to be more masculine. So that’s consistent with that.</p>
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<p>Now what you get with autism, is you get a limited sense of self! So the sense of who you are, a sense of having:</p>
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<h3>“This is me. And this is who I am. And this is my place in the world.”</h3>
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<p>Doesn’t develop properly. And it doesn’t develop properly, because autistics don’t pick up on social cues very well. And they’re easily overwhelmed by stimuli. And so they feel that they’re in a world of sort of chaos, and that they’re not in control of things. And so they feel almost separate from themselves. Almost like they’re watching their lives pan out. And they have no control over it. Which is why some autistic people will refer to themselves in the third person, and things like this.</p>
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<p>And so, that’s what that that then is associated with what’s called borderline personality disorder. Which is when you have a fundamental lack of self and your world is chaos. And there’s this void at the heart of you. And you deal with that, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> And this is usually women who have borderline disorder, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> That is more likely to be women. And you deal with this — it’s also present in men — and you deal with this by creating a separate sort of personality, or something like a black and White clear sense of structure that gives gives life meaning and whatever. But that can be unstable and sometimes that will break down and you’ll flip to the opposite, the exact opposite of it.</p>
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<p>You see that in religious converts. And you see that in even in the Alt-Right. People that go from being far Left, being far Right, to being Christian fundamentalists, to being whatever. You see people like this.</p>
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<p>Now one thing that’s parallel, that’s very similar to borderline personality, is perhaps an example of it, is narcissistic personality. And this is much more common among men.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Because the way you deal with your chaos and your void at the heart of your life, is to create a very, very, you know, superior sense of self. You decide that you’re better than others, and whatever.</p>
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<p>But you also need to have this, others need to tell you that’s the case, others need to worship you, and whatever so that you’re reassured that you are, in fact, brilliant! And when they fail to do that, indeed when they do something which questions your sense of self, or questions the dogmas which you believe in and, because you believe in them you’re brilliant, and whatever, &#8230; When those are questioned by them, this can trigger narcissistic rage!</p>
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<p>Because you can realize that this will undermine everything, and you will be confronted with the hell and the nothing that you are! And so you can see that you’ve got these two things. Narcissism, which goes together with a limited sense of self, which goes together with borderline personality.</p>
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<p>So another thing that’s associated with autism is sexual fetishes! Autistics, and masculine men in general, are focused on things! So a man will say:</p>
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<h3>“I’m a breast man!”</h3>
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<p>Or:</p>
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<h3>“I’m an ass man!”</h3>
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<p>And what a fetish is, is that taken to a kind of extremes. You could only get it up if there’s a nice pair of tits, or whatever! And these fetishes can then become things that are associated with sexual things, that aren’t actually sexual. Like, I don’t know, people that want to like leather <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[?]</strong></span>, or something like that. And these are more common among autistics.</p>
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<p>Now, this all comes together in the trans sexual according to the research by Blanchard. Because the transsexual is a narcissist! Transsexuals are high narcissism. And the transsexual fetish is that he is sexually aroused by the idea of himself as a woman!</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Oh my god! This is like in Silence of the Lambs!:</p>
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<h3>“Would you fuck me? I’d fuck me! I’d fuck me hard!”</h3>
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<p>Buffalo Bill.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Right! Well, that’s what we’re talking about. They are sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as women! There’s a small minority where, yeah, it is true, they are intersexual, or whatever. But in general that’s what we’re talking about. They’re sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as a woman.</p>
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<p>And why would that be the case? Well, because they’re narcissistic. And so what you would expect then, if they’re narcissistic, is they would demand that society accepts them as women. And they would demand! And they would get narcissistic rage and go bonkers, if people question them, which they do! They’d be very aggressive, because they’re very masculinized, and indeed they’re narcissistic.</p>
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<p>And I think we shouldn’t even call them these, &#8230; What do we call them? Transgender, &#8230; We should just call them “<em>trans-narcissists</em>”! That’s what they are.</p>
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<p>And so what is the devil? What is the narcissist? The narcissist is the person that thinks he’s god. And so that’s what these people kind of think they are.</p>
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<p>And so I think it’s extremely dangerous! These people are seriously mentally ill! They are a danger to society. They’re narcissists, they’re capable of narcissistic rage and all that entails. And the idea that they should be given equal rights, or something, is insane!</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Mmm.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> And this I also look at in the book. That this feminism, this witchcraft, just takes us down to the bowels of hell.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Well, indeed! There is a dizzying array of personality disorders that one can encounter in life. And I think that a lot of us, &#8230; I certainly wasn’t familiar with it until maybe a couple of years ago. And yeah, they are very dangerous and destructive people.</p>
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<p>I think it would be useful if you were to talk about, &#8230; You know, you were saying earlier about witches being anti-social, causing problems in the community, and so on. Could you go into some examples, or just detail about that? What would it be that they were doing?</p>
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<p>Let me just preface this. Women are capable of social degree of social intelligence that I think often completely eludes men. And so they can do things, they can set things up, that really take men by surprise! I think women are very good at that. And so there are all sorts of subtle small things that could be set up by malicious women which then have devastating effects for the community.</p>
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<p>Would you like to talk about this?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> So in the book I look at examples from the 17th century, which was the height of the witch craze. And so it’s things like:</p>
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<p>Probably she poisoned the cow. So nasty things like this. Babies! Killing babies was a big thing that they were often accused of killing other people’s babies. And so it may have been that kind of behavior. You know, you get these nurses, what was her name, this case recently? There were case in the early 90s of a nurse killing babies and whatever.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> And there’s that. And you have them just cursing people, and with a society that believed in the power of the curse, they believed in the power of the curse! People believed this:</p>
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<h3>“And they told me, now I curse you! I hope you’re infertile!”</h3>
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<p>And whatever. So they engaged in what you would call the “<em>nocebo effect</em>”. It’s the opposite of the “<em>placebo effect</em>”. And it can be extremely powerful! If you believe in the nocebo effect, then it can make you infertile if you really believe it. And these people did believe it. They believed in the power of the witch’s curse. And people would identify as witches, they’d be known as witches, and they cursed people.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> That’s the power of suggestion.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> So exactly. I mean, there was a case of a known witch. A little girl, she was about 16 years old, and she was walking past — this is about 1610 — and she was in a Pendle, in Yorkshire, Lancastershire is it? And she was walking past this guy called John Laws. And she asked him to give her some pins. And he wouldn’t give her any pins — which we used to hold clothes together — so she cursed him! And he immediately fell down and had a stroke. And then she admitted. She felt really guilty at what she’d done, and she admitted:</p>
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<h3>“I cursed him, and I did this!”</h3>
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<p>And they hanged her. And so, that’s the kind of thing they would engage in. Deeply anti-social, nasty behavior, which for people at the time, was very serious! And was taken very, very seriously, and had, as far as they could see, serious consequences. So that’s what we’re talking about.</p>
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<p>And what do these feminists do now? They engaged anti-social behavior. They sit behind keyboards telling you I hope your children get killed in a car accident! You know, they smash up public, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah. And another thing that feminists do, and you see this in public life now, is they specialize in destroying men’s character!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Oh yeah! That judge that Trump appointed. Some Scottish, Irishy sounding name. And the moment he was appointed.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Kavanaugh!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Kavanaugh, right. And all of these women, some of them were ugly, frankly, who had dated him in the past, suddenly came forward after 30 years, or 40 years:</p>
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<h3>“Oh! He raped me! Touched me up!”</h3>
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<p>And you had this hysteria of all these women, one after the other, coming forward. Because this person had dumped them basically, or refused to have sex with them, or something. And so they had borne a grudge, as women do, for a very, very, very long time! And they had seen this person get into a position of power and success. And the resentment that they felt, they wanted to bring him down.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And these would, perhaps, be the kind of women that would have rape fantasies. That would have fantasies that he raped them. And that would deal with the feeling of humiliation of being scorned, by concocting this! I mean, we know that the nature of memory is such that it’s highly inaccurate. And you will tend to literally alter your memories to make you seem good at any given time.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so you can see how one way you would do that is, if you get dumped by a girl and you alter the memory to:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Oh well it was a mutual thing, or whatever.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And you might genuinely believe that. And you can see how fast life history strategy women would have rape fantasies and things. And if it made them feel better that they had those, they would genuinely believe it happened:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Yeah, I wasn’t dumped by this guy, because I’m ghastly. He dumped me but it was good that he dumped me, because he raped me.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And all of this came out! And none of the allegations went to court, because they were for sure, they were all false. And so you get this in the wake of divorces, as well. I mean, women can concoct all kinds of things:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“He hit me!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You know. And it turns out that she’s exaggerating, or whatever. And so, yeah, I think that’s the damage that some, a lot of modern feminists do. That’s why it’s so dangerous to have this idea in British courts, they should automatically be taken seriously. Automatically. No! I would say quite opposite!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Believe women, and so on. Yeah, it is very dangerous! I mean, obviously men are capable of all sorts of crimes, of course, they are. And they’re also capable of deluding themselves. But I think that women seem to have, especially when encouraged by society, women have an ability to believe whatever is necessary. Now obviously I’m not saying all women do this, or whatever. I just think it seems to be something that’s more, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> If you think about the kind of person that is high in empathy. We talk about multiculturalism and it being inconsistent. Of course, it’s inconsistent to say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Race is a social construct.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then to say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Oh! We need more black people to donate their organs, because black people are dying, because there’s no black donor organs.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well that shows that racism isn’t a social construct, clearly. That shows it maps onto something very important indeed. And they could hold together this, they’re like the Queen of Hearts from Alice. They can hold together two contradictory things! It doesn’t matter to them! Because there’s things that are more important. There’s power! Power is more important! So they can engage in practical nihilism. And they can:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Oh yeah! Oh, when it’s race! Oh well there’s no clear borders!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And whatever. Where’s anything else there is. Or when it’s race there’s no clear borders when I’m arguing with a racist. But when I want money, then:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Yeah, race exists, it’s very real!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Of course!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> You can’t be racial! That’s a complete contradiction. But they don’t care about that, because what they care about is power, or empathy! That’s the other thing, you know, you give someone a logical reasonable argument, and the response of an extreme female type woman who traditionally would perhaps be quite patriarchal, would be:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Oh, that’s just so mean! It’s so mean!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Yeah, but it’s true. And it’s true! Woes is Scottish.:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Yeah, but it’s so mean to say he’s Scottish! Scottish isn’t generous. It’s so mean to say he’s Scottish!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Or whatever.:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“And the Scottish are run by Wee Jimmy Krankie*. And so, that’s fine! It’s fine.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left; padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[*The Krankies are a Scottish comedy duo who enjoyed success as a cabaret act in the 1970s and on television in the 1980s. The joke is that SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon looks like Wee Jimmy Krankie – the pantomime, red-capped schoolboy figure played by the Glasgow comic Janette Tough — a female absurdly pretending to be male.]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so you see what I mean? So that’s why it’s so dangerous in terms of academia, in terms of science, in terms of what I’m interested in, to allow women to overwhelm academia. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be any women in academia. But when they started it at Oxford they brought in women, and it was found that it interfered with the ability to have harsh academic disputation. And then they reduced the numbers. And they said there could only be one woman to every seven men. Because they took the view that it wasn’t working. And eventually, of course, they overturned that and they brought them in.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I remember talking to an academic, a British academic, who working in Finland. And they have a thing here called a “<em>Phd defense</em>”. Now, it’s meant to be a formality. And you’ve got them having a party arranged in the next room, I think called “<em>karanka</em>”, and whatever. But as far as he was concerned the thesis that he was presented with, was not very good. And it was the first time he’d done one of these. You’re meant to have an opponent. And the idea is the opponent, you know, pulls apart your thesis and you defend it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Now that’s what happens in a British, &#8230; Well, if you’ve ever had a Phd viva*, it’s private though. But you’ve got your internal, I had one. You’ve got your internal examiner, your external examiner. And their purpose is to rip your thesis apart! And your purpose is to defend it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left; padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[*The PhD viva examination, or thesis defence, represents the culmination of the PhD examination process, and how you perform at it can determine whether or not you are successful overall.]</span>.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And this is being criticized increasingly because, of course, you end up with, if a girl has presented a thesis that only just passes, or whatever, or it’s not very good, then they’ll end up in tears! Because the people are being mean. And this is what happened at this defense.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The guy was expecting — he’d never done it before — he was expecting an academic disputation. It was a female Phd student and he basically just pulled it apart. And she was almost crying! And he couldn’t believe it! And people said to him afterwards:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“I think you were maybe a little bit too much, too harsh.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And he’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“What do you mean, a little bit too harsh? I was presenting her with the problems with her thesis. And I was asking for her response. What do you mean?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> And, of course, if it was a person who was committed to the truth no matter what, they wouldn’t really care about their own, they would separate their own feelings from the matter at hand, from the mission, as it were.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[61:10]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> That’s right! But a lot of women I think like Jill Biden, or whatever they don’t get PhDs as a means of knowing more about the nature of the world. They get PhDs, because it’s a tick on the good girl picture on the fridge. <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[Woes laughs]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right. Somebody makes the comment — this is when we were talking about society, stability, women, witches, and so on — and someone said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“So it’s all women’s fault then?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>What would you say about that?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> No. Maybe you could argue that it’s men’s fault for not standing up against this nonsense. And a lot of the spiteful mutants that have undermined the patriarchy and have undermined the traditional system have been men! So it’s not “<em>all</em>” women’s fault. No. But I’m just showing you the parallel is very, very clear, as far as I can see, between the witches of yore and the feminists now.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay. We have some Superchats:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“We’d love to know Ed’s thoughts on Gnosticism. Would it be a preferable Christian alternative for us well?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well, in the early church, so Gnosticism was this sort of esoteric belief system where you sort of gain greater knowledge through your own esoteric belief, you get closer to Christ. And I think that in the early church they were very unhappy about Gnosticism, because it was so subjective and whatever. And so it would break down into all kinds of infighting and things like this. And so then eventually the Gnostics were sort of wiped out. They were considered an element that, as it were, didn’t help in the matter of group selection.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I’m not sure, &#8230; I was writing about Gnosticism quite recently. I’m just trying to find the document. Here it is. So I’m just trying to remember what it was they were unhappy about with Gnosticism. But they had these various Gnostic sects, but they didn’t get the balance right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So one of the things was that they were extremely sort of generally pro-social, rather than ethnocentric. And so that was potentially a problem. Or they believed in all kinds of weird stuff which meant, which wasn’t in line with the broader church. And so that meant there was splitting and disagreement. And so that was a problem.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>For example, Marcion — the blasphemous heretic Marcion — preached that the jewish god had created the world, but that a higher god had sent Jesus to the world. And there were some of them that believed that the Sethians, that Seth in Genesis was the receiver of crucial revelations and was kind of a divine savior.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The Ophites believed that Jesus instructed them to worship the serpent from Genesis, because he was the genuine source of knowledge. And so a lot of these things weren’t even particularly Christian at all. They involve sexual rituals and stuff like that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So, no. I’m not sure that there would be a great deal of future. A lot of these Gnostic sects were not particularly ethnocentric. And I think that was why they got rid of them in the end. They weren’t ethnocentric enough!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>They were promoting a “<em>brotherhood of man</em>” to a greater extent. And so they were selected out! There was basically an evolutionary battle of different ideas that were expressed in religious terms. And it was the Gnostic ones that were selected out. So I suppose not then.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[64:32]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All rights another Superchat. I don’t know what this is referring to, but he says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Ed, I had a fat Norwegian Forest Cat that lived to be 18.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I’m not sure if this is a reference, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> He’s referring to my cat, Margaret the cat.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Oh yeah and he says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“How is Margaret doing?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> I’ll just see if Margaret’s around. Just a minute.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> She’s been she’s been great, because the kids have been in northern Lapland, at a place called Keviarde <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[sp]</strong></span> for the last few days. And so they haven’t been here to stress Margaret out! And so she’s been a completely different cat. I mean, she’s been sociable. She’s been upstairs with us and just like not the anti-social cow that she normally is! And she’s been spayed, which I believe extends their life expectancy. And she’s 12, she’s 13, I think it is now. She’s 13. So yeah, so I think she could live quite a lot. She’s a moggy, but to the extent that she’s anything, she does look a bit like a Norwegian Forest Cat, that is true.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right they look very nice and fluffy, and cuddly.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Very fluffy very, very furry! Very luxurious looking!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span>. All right:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Hi Ed! Why are the Ulster Scots so fiercely loyalist and pro-Britain, while Scots in Scotland seem to be slowly edging in the direction of abolishing the union, Great Britain? Why are people who are so similar ethnically beginning to diverge so drastically in their political expressions?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> So I think that there’s two reasons.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>One is that it’s just the basic political reason, that the Ulster Scots are Protestant. And therefore they see themselves they are different from the Catholics religiously. And they are different from the Catholics ethnically, genetically.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so they want to remain, obviously that it’s a choice between being part of a Catholic — and they’re deeply committed religious people — and that it’s a choice between being part of a Catholic Ireland, or a religious Catholic Ireland, or historically it was, and a choice of being part of Britain. And so it would be humiliation for them to be part of Ireland. And so therefore they are very, very pro, being part of Britain.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Secondly I think you’ve got to understand that the Ulster Scots are not representative of the Scots. Any more than the English people of Virginia, or the English people of Massachusetts are representative of the English. These immigrants tend to be more religious. And immigration is correlated with religiousness. They were very religious people they are under group selection more harshly, because of violence, or whatever in Ulster. So they’re highly, highly, highly, highly religious! They’re a fundamentalist community. And therefore they tend to be very conservative against change, and whatever. And therefore you would expect them to want to stay part of Britain.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Whereas the Scots, they’ve not been subject to that. So they’re going to be the religiousness and traditionalism and whatever is going to be less of an issue. And the nationalism element as well is going to be higher.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>What is it that’s holding, used to hold things together? What held nations together? Group selection, the threat of destruction. Well that’s gone. There’s no Russia. There’s not gonna be a nuclear war. That’s under check. So we’d expect things to fall apart. We’d expect the European Union to fall apart. We’d expect Britain to fall apart.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Britain came together, because of war with other European countries, and stayed together, because there was something in it for the Scots. The Scots were dominant in the Empire. They were hugely overrepresented in the Empire, and indeed in geniuses, in British geniuses. I mean, pretty much a tiny population. I suspect they were more intelligent than us until quite recently, because they were under harsh Darwinian selection pressures. They were better at killing their witches, and so on. So they had every reason to be part of the union.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Whereas then you have this moving apart. And so therefore you have this rise in Scottish nationalism which has happened in Scotland. Their sense of national identity becomes wrapped up in their religiousness in a way:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“We’re better than the British, because we’re more left-wing!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And that’s kind of what their Scottish nationalism is:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“We’re better than the English, because we’re more the sanats <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[?]</strong></span>. Because we’re more woke than them. Even though we can afford to be more woke, because we’re like 98% White!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so, that’s why those are the reasons why I think there’s a difference.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And also you should remember that the Ulster Scots and Scots diverged a very long time ago. I mean, we’re talking the 1600s here, early 1700s at the latest. And the people that emigrate they’re always more conservative.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The Afrikaans are more, even the language is more conservative. I suspect that the way the northern Irish speak is probably how the Scots spoke in the 1600s. And it’s just been preserved. Like we know that the way that the Cornish spoke in the 1600s is the way Virginians speak now. And the way that the Dutch spoke in the 1600s is the way Afrikaans speak now.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, they like your “<em>I</em>”. The Scots people saying “<em>aye</em>” for “<em>yes</em>”. That’s a very old word. It’s died out in England. There’s some people say in Scotland. In Northern Ireland they love it! They can’t get enough of it! “<em>Ayeee</em>” all the time! And so on. So I think that’s my answer.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[70:01]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right. Thank you. Okay. So Mr Dutton, Professor Dutton:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Is removing female equality that was established into Western law in 1920 for most Anglo nations, the Right solution for a nationalist and traditionalist to aim to achieve? Removing female equality that was established in law in 1920?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Who asked this?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Someone who’s constantly asking questions about women. <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[laughing]</strong></span> He says he’s not a MGTOW! But yeah:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“It’s time to grow and learn.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> I don’t see what, I don’t know what he’s talking about. Female equality was put into law in 1920? I’d dispute that. What do you mean?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, in England, for example, women were allowed to become priests in 1992. Women weren’t allowed to engage in boxing until the late 90s. Women couldn’t be bishops in England until relatively recently.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> I think he meant, I think he means a more legal level.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Does he mean, in America women got the Right to vote in 1920. Is that what he means?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> I’m guessing, so yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Right. So interestingly there was a very interesting book by a chap called Simon Webb, who I interviewed on my channel, and he showed that these women that wanted the vote, when the women’s social and political union broke down, a lot of them joined the British Union of Fascists.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So they were attracted to these, &#8230; Again this is what we talked about earlier, borderline personality disorder. They were just attracted to these extreme things. And Emmeline Pankhurst argued at a trial that 80 percent of English men had syphilis, and would go mad! And in order to save the English race from destruction women had to be allowed to take over England!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Anyway, that aside, what the vote for women initially brought about was greater conservatism, because in that time we lived in a conservative society, women were more religious than men. And so women were more inclined to vote for Right-wing parties than men.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And this flipped in the generation born in the 50s, and 60s, because this is when the religious society broke down. If you want to think a year it was probably 1963.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Sex came rather late for me in 1963.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Somewhere between the end of the Chatterly ban*, the Beatles first LP, and Kennedy, and all that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left; padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[In 1960 Lady Chatterley’s Lover sold out all over England. Penguin’s first run of the controversial novel by DH Lawrence — a total of 200,000 copies — sold out on the first day of publication. The sexually explicit novel was published in Italy in 1928 and in Paris the following year. It was banned in the UK]</span>.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so then women start to become more liberal than men. And now women are more inclined to vote for the Left than men.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So yeah! If you want to restore order then there has to be less female influence.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[72:42]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, the damage! Think about the damage to children, as well. When I was at school, at my infant school, it was a hundred percent female. Okay, that’s fair enough. What kind of man would want to work at infant school other than a nonce? But at my junior school it was only two male teachers. And at my secondary school, okay that was probably majority male. But this is decreasingly the case.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Now about 60% even of secondary school teachers of women. And so it’s turning schools into female spaces! Where you have these different values like harm avoidance and equality. That’s female values. And male values, authority, and structure, and loyalty, and things like that. And that means you aspire for something. And it means that you see life as a struggle, which it is.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so I think women dominating education doesn’t prepare people for life! And you just get these people that aren’t properly brought up.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, I had a paper published recently on corporal punishment. We found that controlling for other factors like genetics, and whatever, corporal punishment has positive outcomes. But the feminization of education means it’s gone, no punishment anymore. And so you have a generation now that has no corporal punishment at school, no fear at school basically. Like we had in the 80s.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so, yeah. I think the influence is ultimately too much, it’s too strong, it’s destroying academia, it’s destroying education. You’re getting boys that aren’t being taught with boys. That are being taught it’s bad to be a boy! You shouldn’t be a boy. So they’re going to become depressed, and maladapted, and developed sub-optimally.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And the only people that are going to be resistant to this barrage of maladaptive, environmental, pressure are those that are strongly genetically resistant to it, i.e., the remnant normal population! That would have survived, that would have been around in the 1600s, or whatever, before Darwinian conditions broke down. I think that’s what quite a few of us are! We’re the remnant normal population.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so what I suspect is going to happen is that eventually all those people that aren’t the remnant normal population will die out. They’ll just won’t pass on their genes. And what you’ll be left with — and the data is consistent with this — is the people that we now call the “<em>far-Right</em>”, that’s who’s breeding, that’s what predicts breeding. A hundred years from now that’s what will be left, or less than a hundred years from now. And so things will change radically.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But yeah, the one way you could check it would be the abolition of higher education for women. That’s one thing that’s been suggested, or the limiting of it, or something like that. I mean, like this thing Jill Biden with a Phd, you know, education, it just undermines the value of it, because it becomes “<em>woman’s work</em>”. It’s like being a secretary.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah, okay. Somebody’s asked:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“You explained earlier about the psychology of people who have rape fantasies. Do you have any insight into the increasing prevalence of incest porn in society?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Fucking hell!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[76:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> There’s been a couple of books on this. So there was one called “<em>A Billion Wicked Thoughts</em>”. And there was one that I did a video on. I can’t remember what it is, what the video was. It was quite recently I did a video that drew upon this book.</p>
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<p>Yeah, what I would suspect is that what you get if you have no Darwinian, very, very limited Darwinian selection pressure, so lots of mutants, who will have maladaptive sexual desires that would have been selected out under harsh Darwinian conditions.</p>
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<p>And so people who would want to bang their brother, or something, that those kind of people would be selected out. And people did. I mean, Egyptian royalty, ancient Egyptian royalty used to used to have sex with their siblings. They would be selected out, because of the consequences of that in terms of dysgenics. And so you would expect therefore this to spread.</p>
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<p>Secondly at the environmental level you would traditionally have had a conservative religious system, which would make all this taboo, to the point of unthinkable! But now that is gone. And so you have free access to pornography, and free access to like increasingly aberrant taboo, or formally taboo practices. And so once you’ve moved away from “<em>vanilla</em>”, and once you’ve gone, &#8230; You can see how if you’re particularly into porn:</p>
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<blockquote>
<h3>“Let’s go on to the next revolting thing! And the next revolting!”</h3>
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<p>And eventually you need some, &#8230; And there was research on this as well. That a lot of the zoomer generation that have had access to porn all their lives, they can’t get it up to the “<em>vanilla</em>” porn.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yes. That has to get ever more extreme.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> They’re immune to that. It has to be extreme! Whereas if you go back to Victorian times people could get up, if there was a bare ankle! Because they were so unused to nudity. And this is actually quite important. If you think that we have evolved basically, we Westerners, to a society where people are covered up. And so when nudity is something, &#8230; Not perhaps Finns. I mean, they’re into sauna and stuff.</p>
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<p>But we British perhaps, to a society where people are covered up. And so you would expect us to be easily aroused by nudity. Now people that are fast like history strategists, of course, they’re involved with society doing any aberrant stuff. And so they would need more, and more, extreme things. Nudity’s not good enough in these fast life history societies. Women walk around naked, who cares with nudity. So you need more, and more, and more! And you eventually end up with more, and more, sick stuff. And incest porn would potentially be one.</p>
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<p>I mean, it should also be noted there’s something called the “<em>Westermark Effect</em>”. Finnish anthropologist Edward Westermark. And he found that, &#8230; Kibbutz’s have shown this. That if people are separated at birth, you know, let’s say twins, a brother and a sister, or father and a daughter, and they’re not raised together in early life, then they will meet later and be deeply sexually attracted to each other. Because we tend to be sexually attracted to genetic similarity.</p>
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<p>And so if someone’s 50% the same as you, and you haven’t been brought up with them in early life. And then you meet them later, then you’ll be very attracted to them. And this is a serious problem.</p>
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<p>So yeah, that’s how I would explain the rise of incest porn. And there’s things that are much more. I mean, there’s sex with animals.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Yeah. On that note, I remember reading about two people who met and they very attracted each other. And then it turned out that they were both from sperm donors, and they had the same father. So they were half siblings.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[79:48]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> And that would make sense. Because the sweet spot is third cousin. There’s research from Iceland. Of course, there’s only three hundred thousand people there. So everyone’s related. And the sweet spot in terms of fertility and not getting divorced, is third cousin. So the person you should marry is your third cousin, or equivalent.</p>
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<p>So that is to say 1.5 percent above the baseline of the society, in terms of how related you are. And that seems that’s what slow life strategists do, because you select people that are similar to you. Because if you’re similar to each other you’re going to get on better, and you’re going to indirectly pass on more of your genes and whatever.</p>
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<p>And so people who are slower life strategists do tend to be attracted to people that are more genetically similar to themselves. And that’s true. But in extremis you could see if they didn’t know they’re brother and sister, you could see, of course, they’re gonna be attracted, because they’re 50% the same.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Right. Okay, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> What?</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Just the questions! All right:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Why do some relatively inbred groups have high IQ? Icelanders and Ashkenazi jews, for example.”</h3>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well in the case of the Ashkenazi jews it can be argued that, &#8230; So there’s two ways of understanding this. You have inbreeding depression, which is that if you have a child with someone that’s very similar to you, then there’ll be double doses of harmful genes. And so, that’s bad.</p>
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<p>But there’s also out-breeding depression, which is that if you have sex someone that’s very dissimilar to you, then genes which haven’t combined, alleles that haven’t combined for a very long time, will combine, which in polygenic traits will have unpredictable results. So that’s bad!</p>
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<p>But you could also have inbreeding vigor! Which is that if you inbreed then it will elevate positive traits. And you could have out-breeding vigor. And so there’s no reason why it can’t be the case. If you’re a highly intelligent subgroup and you want to make, &#8230;</p>
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<p>This is what you see with the Indian caste system — inbreeding vigor. So they make sure that someone is relatively similar then, whom they marry, and they keep the highest castes highly intelligent, and whatever. That’s what they’re doing. Inbreeding vigor!</p>
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<p>If they didn’t do it, then the men would just go for stupid, but pretty women. And the women might go for, you know, well off butch idiots. What’s that wrestler called? John Cena. People like him.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So that’s the problem. So you can be positive. And that’s what you have with the Ashkenazi jews. The Ashkenazi jews were pushed into a situation where they could only engage in certain professions <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[I don’t think this is substantially true. See Andrew Joyce on this.]</strong></span>. And this meant that if you couldn’t, if you weren’t intelligent enough to engage in that profession, then you would you couldn’t really marry out.</p>
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<p>And so you just die out, and not pass on your genes. And so this heavily selected for intelligence. And it meant that if you marry other Ashkenazi jews, rather than who is of your family, or similar to you, you know, then you’re ensuring as an intelligent person you’re marrying someone else that’s intelligent. And so you get inbreeding vigor!</p>
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<p>The flip side of it can be, of course, certain genetic disorders, being prevalent among them. And interestingly there was a theory by Henry Harpending, and somebody else, that some of those Tay Sachs, and some of these jewish disorders, are actually correlated with intelligence. So if you have, you know, one of the alleles, one of the mutant alleles, then you are very, very clever. If you have two then you get Tay Sachs. So the inbreeding vigour continues, and it stays in the population.</p>
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<p>As for the Icelandic, I would say, you have must remember that until relatively recently cousin marriage was quite high. Parts of Sicily, and whatever, used to have in the 60s even very high levels of cousin marriage. So marrying people that are quite similar to you, &#8230; I mean, in Finland, for example, &#8230; In England we’re all 12th cousins. So we English are all related if you go back about 500 years, or 400 years.</p>
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<p>In Finland you’ve only got to go back about 250 years, 300 years, everyone’s related. So even in Finland you’ve got people that are, perhaps without knowing it, marrying their third cousins, and stuff like this. And with the Icelandic, it’s just an extension of that. They were under very harsh levels of selection. And so you would expect very high levels of intelligence to be selected for. And that’s what’s happened.</p>
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<p>So it is a problem though. There is actually an a in Iceland where you can type in the name of this boy, or girl, you want to go out with. And you can see how related you are. Because they’re all at least, they’re all like no less than fifth cousins. They’re all highly related.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Right.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> And most people they marry their third cousin.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right. Somebody asks:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“What mating strategy should Incels adopt?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And that’s from someone calling himself Patrick Bateman! <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[laughing]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> So it depends. I get the impression that what Incels are, are failed fast life history strategists. So they want to have lots of sex and be promiscuous, and stuff like that, and not commit. That’s what they want to do, and they can’t. Because in a situation where women are liberated and where women have power and control, then the women will just go for the alpha males. And the beta males, the women that are sluts, I mean, will just go for the alpha males, and the beta males won’t get much of a look in.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So what I would suspect the Incels need to do, is to go for the slower life history strategy females and be content with monogamy. And then at least they won’t be celibate. But I don’t think that’s what they want. I think that, I get the impression they want to compete to be alpha males. So that’s, that.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> So it’s kind of all, or nothing for them.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Perhaps. Okay, someone asks:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Ed, you previously mentioned the Irish score higher in extroversion. Which European ethnic group scores highest in introversion?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[86:01]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> It’s very hard to have exact measures of this. Because if you give somebody a personality test and they will compare themselves to people they know. And so you end up with this insane situation where if you compare international averages on personality tests Nigerians are higher in conscientiousness than the like Japanese. Which is insane!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So you can’t use personality tests. You can use them within a nation. But you can’t use them between nations. So based on proxies it’s, as far as I can see, it’s the Finns. The Finns are the lowest in extroversion, based on various proxies.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Well, they’re famously unsocial, aren’t they? There’s a sort of national joke about that. They like to keep to themselves.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Yeah! A pissed <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[drunk]</strong></span> Finn behaves kind of like, you and me are behaving now.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right! <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span> Okay! All right. So in a related to that, the same person asks are there any measurable trait differences between Eastern and Western Europeans?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well, if we regard the Finns as Eastern Europeans, then yes. They are lower in extroversion. There is a so-called J-curve of alcoholism which goes across north down, through Eastern Europe. And they tend to be more, the sort of Urgeric type people, this includes the Hungarians and even people in Slovenia. And they tend to be more prone to suicide. And in contact with alcohol particularly, suicide and depression, and things like this. Latvia, and Estonia, Hungary, Slovenia.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So that’s a known difference for some Eastern European groups. That there’s propensity alcoholism, and that it associates with suicidality and depression, and things like that. So that’s a known difference.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right. Here’s a very good question:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Is it psychologically healthier to be a jack-of-all-trades, or a specialist?”</h3>
</blockquote>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Psychologically healthier? So you mean, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Well, there’s more to that. I should read the whole thing:</p>
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<blockquote>
<h3>“How does it affect the dynamic between insectoid European people, and all-rounder non-European people?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I don’t know, let’s concentrate in the first bit:</p>
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<blockquote>
<h3>“Is it psychologically healthier to be a jack-of-all-trades, or a specialist?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well, you will tend to have psychological health if you are (a), if you are of high status within your group. This makes people happy and undepressed and whatever, if they feel that they’re reasonably successful. And in Western societies normally the way you become successful is by being a specialist. That’s how you become successful. You specialize and you find a niche.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But, on the other hand, those that have a sort of easy attitude to life, that just live for the now and don’t care and are happy anyway, those people won’t tend to work hard, they won’t tend to specialize. And they’ll be quite content to be a generalist, that switches jobs, and they won’t worry.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I think in general people are happier if they have high status, and it is specializing in a Western society that gives you high status. So that’s the first thing. Specializing is more important the more complex the society is. So if it is a complex society like ours, it’s much more important to specialize, and it’ll be much more important for social status that you specialize, that you find a niche.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Whereas in more easier societies everyone does the same sort of job, whatever. There’s less of a need to specialize.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[90:05]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay. So it’s conducive towards social status.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> It’s conducive to a social status to specialize. So people want social status. And so people, and that’s associated with if you’re saying “<em>contentedness</em>”.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The other thing that’s associated with contentedness is an “<em>evolutionary match</em>”. So if you’re in an evolutionary mismatch, you know, like an elephant living in a cold place, or whatever. You will be unhappy. And that’s why we’re increasingly unhappy in the West, because we’re in an evolutionary mismatch! We’re not supposed to live like this. We’re meant to live in small communities where we know everybody. And they’re all genetically similar to us. That’s what makes us happy. That’s what we want.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Right!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> And so we’re in an evolutionary mismatch! Immigration, people different, that is an extreme evolutionary mismatch! Being surrounded by ugly buildings is an evolutionary mismatch. Lack of religiosity, evolutionary mismatch.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So if you are the kind of person that is sort of fast life history strategist, or whatever, or happy go lucky type, and you’re lazy, or something, your evolutionary match may well be to be a generalist. And you will be unhappy if you are compelled to be a specialist.</p>
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<p>So it depends on the kind of person you are. Maybe your evolutionary match is to be a generalist. So there’s different dynamics to the question.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay. It’s impossible to answer the question really, because it’s depends, it varies from one individual to the next. Okay:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“It’s one thing to prove that women are a negative influence when empowered in society, but quite another to offer a solution. Do you have any suggestions about how we can push back female influence?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That is quite another thing indeed. And I don’t think it’s fair to ask the person who diagnoses the problem to also have a solution to it. But Ed is there anything you would want to say about this?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well to the extent that you can do anything you need the promotion of a more conservative society. And once that starts to happen then you can more rationally present the evidence, and it is true that women are happier. And they are happier, because it’s an evolutionary mismatch! Remember, that’s what makes you unhappy.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The evolutionary match for most women is to be what they’ve always been. That’s what their happiest being. They’re happier, and they show this. If you look at the research by Joanna Williams on this. They show this, even if they get jobs. They want to retire early. They want to have a work life balance. They want to spend ages off work and be with the kids. That’s what they want to do!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>To the extent they go into jobs, they go into jobs where they’re caring about people, and looking after people, and basically doing the kind of jobs which they always did even when they could work. It’s just that now they’re teaching boys and girls, whereas historically they’d just be teaching girls. And that’s what they do! That’s what they want to do! That’s what makes them happy. And you might get a few, and that’s interesting that when they have a real choice which they do in very feminist type societies like us.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Like Sweden.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Right! Whereas in Italy, or whatever, where there’s less choice they feel more of pressure, you know, because they need to make money, or something. They may feel more of a pressure to go into the sciences, which they don’t like doing! And they’re not very good at! And they ruin when they do go into it, because they don’t like, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The kind of person that will come up with brilliant and original ideas, is the kind of person that will be autistic, and is therefore the kind of person that will make inappropriate jokes, and offend people, like Alexander Stromio — who I’m gonna have on my show next year — and whatever. And they’ll drive those people out! As they tried to do with him.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so it’s bad for society that women, &#8230; We talk about how can we encourage more women to go into STEM subjects. No! How can we encourage women to NOT go into STEM subjects? <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[Woes chuckles]</strong></span> How can we encourage women to not go into STEM subjects?</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay:</p>
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<blockquote>
<h3>“Which European nation has the optimal level of in-group preference, not too high leading to a backward, or violent society, not too low, where they’ll be taken advantage of by hostile outgroups?”</h3>
</blockquote>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[94:33]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> European, &#8230; By the way, I’m perfectly happy with women to be involved in STEM subjects of a certain kind. Probably religious women, actually. Margaret Thatcher went into STEM subject. Highly religious, patriarchal, conservative women go into STEM subjects, and invent ice cream! <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[Woes smiles]</strong></span></p>
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<p>But with regards to that question, probably one of the Eastern European nations. It’s hard to say which, because the Eastern Europe is going the way of Western Europe, very slowly. There’s some evidence there is a backlash as well happening. There’s some very based stuff happening in Poland and Hungary, and whatever. But it is also, I think it will polarize very strongly. I think that’s what’s happening. But it’ll polarize.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We are polarizing now in a situation where the Left are culturally in power and the Right are not. And there’s this polarization, and it’s increasingly obvious. And eventually I think it will result in a tip back towards the Right. It may be that the Eastern Europe polarizes with the Right in power, and the Left not. I don’t know what’s going to happen.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But one of those kind of countries, probably has the optimum balance, somewhere like, &#8230; I would have said Finland 15 years ago. But now Finland has fallen to the “<em>spite girls</em>”. But probably one of those kind of countries, Hungary, or something like that.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay.:</p>
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<blockquote>
<h3>“Professor Dutton, please consider Dr Andrew Joyce, Dr MacDonald, or Dr Johnson on one of your future shows.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[96:01]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well I’ve had Kevin MacDonald on my show twice. I don’t know how many other more times I can, &#8230; You’ll find that show on BitChute. Two of them, both those shows BitChute. And who are the others?</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Dr Andrew Joyce and Dr Greg Johnson.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Andrew Joyce and Greg Johnson, right.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay. And someone else asks:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<h3>“Are people from the British isles predisposed to violent behavior? When I’m in mainland Europe, I don’t see half as many fights as I do in England.”</h3>
</blockquote>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Possibly. I can think of two things. First of all, we industrialized earlier. And so if we industrialized earlier than anybody else, we’re going to be more dysgenic than everybody else. And also we were reasonably large population anywhere. But we’re more dysgenic.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And all of the religious people left, went to America. And so what you’re going to end up with is just the violent scum. And that’s quite possible, actually, that we would be more dysgenic. That’s certainly we were more dysgenic. That’s possible.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Secondly that we are a temperance culture. So this is something to do with being in the north, and also coming to farming relatively late by European standards.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So once you get farming, then you get the development of alcohol. Once you get the development of alcohol, it’s adaptive to be able to drink alcohol and not get drunk, or not get alcoholic, or whatever. Because then you don’t have to drink the water. And as you get a more complex society the water is going to be dirty and whatever. And so as farming spreads the genes resistant to alcoholism spread.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Now farming was founded in the Fertile Crescent ten thousand years ago. And so we’ve had the Spanish, and the Greeks, and the Italians, and the southern Europeans, have had much longer for the genes to spread. So therefore they’re completely resistant to alcohol. They don’t particularly like it. They don’t drink it much. They drink it only with meals. They have very low levels of alcoholism. And when they go out on a Friday night, they get dressed up in nice clothes, and go out on vespers and talk very loudly in cafes! That’s their Friday night.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Whereas our Friday night, because we are less resistant to alcohol there is a critical mass of people that are very attracted to alcohol and get drunk, and whatever. And very easily become alcoholics, and whatever. And become violent. And that may well be the reason for the difference.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right. One last question:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“The genetic basis of your claim of today’s pervasiveness of witches is underpinned by the hypothesis that mutations leading to infant mortality also affect pro, or antisocial behavior.”</h3>
</blockquote>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Not really.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> And he said:</p>
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<h3>“Is there evidence for that?”</h3>
</blockquote>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[99:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well yeah, there’s evidence that with the collapse of, &#8230; That infant mortality is the crucible of evolution. There’s a paper on that called “<em>Infant Mortality</em>”, or something like that. It’s called something like “<em>The Crucible of Evolution</em>”, and looks at this.</p>
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<p>And so there is certainly evidence of a rise in mutational load. There is evidence that physical mutations are correlated with anti-social mental problems, like schizophrenia, depression, autism, whatever. And violence psychopathology. It correlates with these mutations. So in that sense, yes! There is evidence for that. That physical mutation correlates with mental mutation, and mental mutation in a maladaptive, anti-social, direction.</p>
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<p>One thing I’d add actually, about transsexuality. Being a transsexual correlates with hereditary deafness! And all kinds of other things as well. Crohn’s disease, asthma, whatever. Now you could put some of these things down to stress of being a transsexual, or something. But I can’t see how you could put deafness down to it. Curvature of the spine.</p>
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<p>I was at university with this guy, Alex, who then became Drea, and then worked as a prostitute in Brighton and was murdered by a Scottish Sky Television fitter. Who he told he used to be a man. I probably told you that story. But he had some kind of appalling series of problems that they had to like operate on his anus, and things like this. Like all these hereditary mutations. And that would be consistent with narcissism, all these physical problems that correlate with narcissism, with mental problems, that are anti-social.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> It’s not the kind of thing you want to hear about while you’re fitting someone’s Sky Television box!</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Well no, he went there — he was a Sky fitter who went there to fit Alex’s box. And then I get the impression that Alex must have said, &#8230;</p>
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<p>He <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[Sky guy]</strong></span> might even have said something like <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[putting on a Scottish accent]</strong></span>:</p>
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<h3>“You have very nice breastees, don’t you? Have very nice breasts, they’re very perfect!”</h3>
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<p>And then Alex would have said <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[in a soft feminine voice]</strong></span>:</p>
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<h3>“Oh. Yeah, they would be really nice, because I was born a man. So they’re fake.”</h3>
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<p>And then he saw red, and strangled him!</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Bloody hell! Okay <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span>. There’s a very strange story! Okay. So that’s that question. And then we’ve just got the “<em>diamonds</em>” on Dlive. Someone says:</p>
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<h3>“Good to see Dr Dutton on Dlive. Thanks as always.”</h3>
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<p>And someone else said:</p>
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<h3>“Hail Woes! Hail Ed! Hail Scrubs!”</h3>
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<p>I’m not really sure what the term “<em>Scrubs</em>” refers to. But I’ve heard it’s associated with Dangerfield, and so on, so all right.</p>
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<p>Well, excellent! It’s been very interesting stream. I hope that people have enjoyed it.</p>
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<p>So would you like to summarize, just before we finish, could you summarize the theory about witches and anti-social behavior and the fall of civilization again? Just so that we can end the stream on a summary of that theory.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> So the summary of the theory is that what witches are, in evolutionary terms, is people who are undermined patriarchy, the patriarchal system in various ways. And that was bad, because at the group selection level patriarchy was associated with maintaining positive and negative ethnocentrism, and maintaining religiousness, which is all associated with winning in the battle of group selection. So that’s what these witches are doing. They’re undermining patriarchy!</p>
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<p>And that’s what modern day witches do. They undermine patriarchy. And it’s the same. They’re functionally the same. And so we must understand that we are living in a society that is dominated by literal witches! And that is not good!</p>
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<p>And as I say that the book should be coming out later this year, “<em>Witches, Feminism and the Fall of the West</em>”.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> You mean next year, 2021?</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Next year. And yeah, I should plug my channel, shouldn’t I? Jolly Heretic, Online public house, live stream Mondays and Thursdays, seven pm UK time, two pm New York. And various books you can get if you look into it. So yeah, that’s it.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> All right! Well excellent! Well, thank you Professor Edward Dutton, The Jolly Heretic, for taking part in Millennial 2020.</p>
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<p><strong>Ed Dutton:</strong> Thank you for having me.</p>
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<p><strong>Woes:</strong> Okay. I’ll be back in 15 minutes with John Bruce Leonard. In the meantime hope you enjoyed this. Thank you to everyone for watching. And I’ll see you later. Bye for now.</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">See Also:</span></h3>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SEE-ALSO-COVERS-Millennial-Woes-9-New.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-28736" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SEE-ALSO-COVERS-Millennial-Woes-9-New.jpg" alt="" width="672" height="965" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SEE-ALSO-COVERS-Millennial-Woes-9-New.jpg 672w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SEE-ALSO-COVERS-Millennial-Woes-9-New-600x862.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 672px) 100vw, 672px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2016/07/02/millennial-woes-with-morgoth-on-brexit-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes with Morgoth on Brexit — Jul 2, 2016 — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2017/01/23/a-woes-by-any-other-name-transcript/" rel="bookmark">A Woes By Any Other Name — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2017/10/22/millennial-woes-to-be-a-man-in-2017-speech-at-erkenbrand-dinner-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – To Be a Man in 2017 – Speech at Erkenbrand dinner — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2017/10/23/millennial-woes-one-hour-from-now-speech-to-erkenbrand-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – One Hour from Now – Speech to Erkenbrand — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2017/12/30/millennial-woes-millenniyule-2017-no-66-morgoth-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes’ Millenniyule 2017 No. 66 – Morgoth — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2018/02/26/millennial-woes-the-passion-of-jordan-peterson-speech-to-blue-awakening-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – The Passion of Jordan Peterson – Speech to Blue Awakening — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2019/10/22/millennial-woes-at-the-scandza-forum-copenhagen-oct-12-2019-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes at the Scandza Forum, Copenhagen – Oct 12, 2019 — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2020/01/26/millennial-woes-millenniyule-2019-daughter-of-albion-dec-28-2019-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – Millenniyule 2019 – Daughter of Albion – Dec 28, 2019 — Transcript</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2020/12/03/millennial-woes-the-strife-of-tongues-nov-30-2020-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – The Strife of Tongues – Nov 30, 2020 — Transcript</a></span></p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Millennial-Woes-–-Millenniyule-2020-4.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-29208" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Millennial-Woes-–-Millenniyule-2020-4-728x1024.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="900" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Millennial-Woes-–-Millenniyule-2020-4-728x1024.jpg 728w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Millennial-Woes-–-Millenniyule-2020-4-600x844.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Millennial-Woes-–-Millenniyule-2020-4-768x1081.jpg 768w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Millennial-Woes-–-Millenniyule-2020-4-1091x1536.jpg 1091w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Millennial-Woes-–-Millenniyule-2020-4.jpg 1306w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></a></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2020/12/24/millennial-woes-millenniyule-2020-john-waters-dec-22-2020-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – Millenniyule 2020 – John Waters – Dec 22, 2020 — Transcript</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2020/12/31/millennial-woes-millenniyule-2020-on-the-offensive-dec-15-2020-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – Millenniyule 2020 – On the Offensive – Dec 15, 2020 — Transcript</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2021/01/05/millennial-woes-millenniyule-2020-dangerfield-dec-21-2020-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – Millenniyule 2020 – Dangerfield – Dec 21, 2020 — Transcript</a></span>&lt;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2021/01/11/millennial-woes-millenniyule-2020-the-jolly-heretic-dec-29-2020-transcript/" rel="bookmark">Millennial Woes – Millenniyule 2020 – The Jolly Heretic – Dec 29, 2020 — Transcript</a></span></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#160; [A 1960s tour of the world by an American race realist and how, what he calls, &#8220;The New Mythology of Racial Equality&#8221; is a highly destructive ideology being foisted upon Whites. — KATANA] &#160; &#160; &#160; Byram Campbell &#160; &#8230; <a href="https://katana17.com/2019/12/04/byram-campbell-the-new-mythology-of-racial-equality-part-1/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/The-New-Mythology-2019-PART-1-COVER.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-22240" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/The-New-Mythology-2019-PART-1-COVER.jpg" alt="" width="642" height="985" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/The-New-Mythology-2019-PART-1-COVER.jpg 642w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/The-New-Mythology-2019-PART-1-COVER-600x921.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 642px) 100vw, 642px" /></a>[A 1960s tour of the world by an American race realist and how, what he calls, &#8220;The New Mythology of Racial Equality&#8221; is a highly destructive ideology being foisted upon Whites.<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">—<strong> KATANA</strong>]</span></p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Byram Campbell<br />
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<h1></h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">The New Mythology<br />
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">of Racial Equality<br />
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">1963</span></h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;">Part 1 of 3</h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"></h1>
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<p style="text-align: center;">THE NEW MYTHOLOGY OF RACIAL EQUALITY</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">DEDICATED TO CHARLES SMITH FOR HIS HEROIC FIGHT TO SAVE THE WHITE RACE</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The New Mythology of Racial Equality.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">by BYRAM CAMPBELL</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">THE TRUTH SEEKER COMPANY, INC.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">38 Park Row.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">New York 8, N. Y. 1963</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">PRINTED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">______________</p>
<h1 style="text-align: center;">CONTENTS</h1>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>[Part 1]</strong></span></h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3><span style="color: #ff0000;">The New Mythology of Racial Equality.</span></h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3><span style="color: #ff0000;">A VISIT TO SPAIN</span><br />
<span style="color: #ff0000;">The Spanish People</span><br />
<span style="color: #ff0000;">AN APPRAISAL OF SPAIN</span></h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3><span style="color: #ff0000;">ITALY AND THE ITALIANS</span><br />
<span style="color: #ff0000;">The Italian People</span></h3>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3><strong>[Part 2]</strong></h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3>AN OVERALL LOOK AT AFRICA<br />
Egypt<br />
UPPER EGYPT VISITED<br />
The Egyptian People<br />
Khartoum<br />
AN APPRAISAL OF THE AFRICAN</h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3>A RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AND A HOLY CITY<br />
Benaras<br />
INDIA’S CAPITAL AND THE TAJ MAHAL<br />
Delhi<br />
Agra<br />
AN ESTIMATE OF THE INDIAN PEOPLE<br />
The Monuments of India<br />
India as a Civilization</h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3><strong>[Part 3]</strong></h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3>SOUTHEASTERN ASIANS<br />
Bangkok</h3>
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<h3>HONG KONG</h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3>THE BRITISH AND THE FAR EAST</h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3>CONCERNING THE JAPANESE</h3>
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<h3>HAWAII AND THE HAWAIIANS</h3>
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<h3>SOME OVERALL CONCLUSIONS</h3>
<h3></h3>
<h3>Other Works by the Same Author</h3>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">The New Mythology of Racial Equality</span></h1>
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<p>BEFORE we start seeing the world we should gain some knowledge of the ideas that are throwing it into a ferment; otherwise, its lands emerge in half lights. For better orientation let us look backward to the early part of our century.</p>
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<p>Lothrop Stoddard in the preface to his book The Rising Tide of Color (1920) came to the conclusion that since of her values depend on the quality of life Americans would wisely act to protect this value. Neither Stoddard, nor the many who agreed with him foresaw the psychotic forces that would arise dedicated to destroying the moral man’s values as well as our racial heritage. Because of the acceptance of the new beliefs the changes that have occurred are opposite to those forecast by Stoddard.</p>
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<p>The ideas which we have mentioned have become Incorporated in a mystique. This we name The New Mythology.</p>
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<p>Unless we can gain a knowledge of how this mystique has arisen we shall be handicapped in combating it. Even if given the facts most men do not accept them, for they are usually adequately prepared only to understand other, normal men. Fortunately we can call on a great philosopher for help.</p>
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<p>William James in Pragmatism (1907) called attention to a group to which he gave the name, monists, or as we shall define this term, those dominated by an irrational faith in ideas based on oneness. He brought out the fact that they are subjective thinkers, ruled by their temperaments. In addition to their many a for oneness they have of her characteristics, one of which is of extreme importance in understanding them. For this quality James coined the term tender-minded.</p>
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<p>I would judge from James‘ general position that he held extreme monists to be mainly the product of inborn <strong>[Page 6]</strong> qualities, though he does not clearly so state. Let us be specific. We now know that individuals are born with a temperament fashioned by nature, being a part of their genetic makeup. The monist inherits his qualities.</p>
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<p>The normal people who are free from the monist’s mania for reducing everything to oneness, we shall name pluralists.</p>
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<p>James, unlike Stoddard, was not trying to catch a glimpse of the future; and this being the case we could not expect him to foreshadow the phenomenal impact that tender-minded monists have had on our age. Therefore, let us take up where James left off.</p>
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<p>Having noticed that radicals are inordinately occupied with “<em>unity</em>”; that they, like Communists, reject the individual in favor of social totality, at first, while trying to describe them, referred to them as “<em>unity-minded</em>”. I later discovered the term, monist, and employed it; and still later, James’ work. While James had been interested in monists as they react on religion, my interest in them had been confined to their attempts to change the social system.</p>
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<p>Much water has gone over the dam since James’ day. Many monists, particularly radicals, have followed the leadership of Marx and dropped their interest in religion in favor of interest in society. But how could they impose oneness and inevitability (the latter demand of the monist’s nature about which James failed to remark), on society? Marx, with his elaborate rationalizations, satisfied them; hence, his popularity.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Marx insisted on a “<em>classless society</em>”, a society made into one, without divisions. Other monists had invented this idea but Marx appropriated it, and, as far as I know, was the first to “<em>discover</em>” that this would be the “<em>inevitable</em>” outcome of the social adventure.</p>
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<p>We could write a volume exhibiting the radical’s preoccupation with social theories based on oneness; but, other than evidence of this mania, it would be worthless. Fortunately we can call on a “<em>short hand</em>” method which <strong>[Page 7]</strong> will be adequate for our present purpose. We shall simply name the terms which radicals constantly employ and around which their theories are built. But this will call for a slight step backward in time.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Radicals in the last few years have been subjected to considerable criticism of their beliefs and have become more cautious in their theoretical expression. So let us start with the mid-fifties, and work back. We then find an unlimited number of their endorsements of “<em>unity</em>”, “<em>one world</em>”, “<em>the oneness of humanity</em>”. Their propaganda was responsible for giving the term isolationist an evil connotation. They objected that it is negative, and adverse to international togetherness: in short, opposed to their mania for One World. “<em>integration</em>”, still the subject of active promotion, has their strong support. This term may be defined as: “<em>to make whole, or complete by bringing together parts</em>” — a conception which the reader will realize arouses the basic drives of the born monist. Monists were becoming intoxicated with a belief in “<em>togetherness</em>” until it was properly shown that this could only be established on the basis of the lowest common denominator. This psychotic group has been fascinated with dreams of the world ruled from one center. Monists promoted the League of Nations and, on its failure, the United Nations. In the case of the latter, they succeeded in having their tender-minded outlook incorporated in its charter.</p>
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<p>Most Humanists accept the New Mythology. The true humanism works for the betterment of mankind; present day Humanists work in the opposite direction, as we shall now prove.</p>
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<p>The basic principles of biological progress — on which all progress ultimately rests, as stated, or Implied by Stoddard — are differentiation and to some extent elimination, though this may be gradual and painless. The monistic Humanist is opposed to both principles. Differentiation negates his sense of oneness and therefore to him is intolerable; elimination profoundly shocks his tender mind. <strong>[Page 8]</strong> The proper name for today’s Humanists is “<em>animalists</em>”. They promote causes that lead to the perpetuation of the lower forms of humanity — those nearest the lower animals.</p>
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<p>The monist is not only tender-minded by nature; he is also a misfit. He is apt therefore to develop a morbid interest in of her misfits of whatever kind and wherever found, and shielding them from the hard facts of life may become his supreme concern. A major aim in the One World which he dreams about is to make life comfortable and pleasant for misfit groups. In his zealous efforts, he overlooks racial differences.</p>
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<p>Though we believe that we can discover inconsistencies in the monist’s hope for One World filled with happy misfits made economically and psychologically comfortable, while normal men are enslaved by these ends, we shall not stress the point; that is, not now.</p>
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<p>The New Mythology shares some ideas with Communism. At the same time there are differences. The repudiation of human biology is a sideline with the Communists; it has become a major project for promoters of the New Mythology — which in its baser forms we shall from now on refer to as animalism.</p>
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<p>Aristotle came to the conclusion that man is a social animal. Most modern men apparently agree with Aristotle and take it for granted that the future of Humanity is interwoven with the fate of civilization, which in its turn may be looked on as a great complex, the totality of which has a different worth in different lands. It will be our purpose to pass judgments on the worth of the civilizations we visit.</p>
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<p>Though a troubled world lies before us, we pluralists refuse to see it only in this light. We also wish to see its beauties, savor its richness, and explore its strangeness.</p>
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<p>Since the rejection of the word Caucasian by many anthropologists has played into the hands of the promoters of the New Mythology, we shall reinstate it. The term Aryan we shall employ where tradition suggests this, as in <strong>[Page 9]</strong> India, though we consider it synonymous with Caucasian. By racist we mean anyone who accepts the fact, opposed by followers of the New Mythology, that significant differences exist in races. Though the term Mohammedanism is not acceptable to the followers of Islam, we shall for convenience employ it, though we may also refer to this group as Moslems, wherever, as in India, such is the practice.</p>
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<p>In view of the fact that radicals have appropriated the term liberal, we shall not use it. Herbert Spencer, in 1884, gave the proper definition of a liberal as: “<em>One who advocates freedom from constraint, especially in political institutions.</em>” We shall therefore refer to those who would destroy individualism in favor of centralized power as radicals, or as “<em>priests</em>” of the still unrecognized lay religion which we have named The New Mythology.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">A VISIT TO SPAIN</span></h3>
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<p>WE left New York City late the evening of January 28, 1961, headed southeastward, towards the lands of the most ancient civilizations. Some twenty-four hour s later we encountered a heavy sea. The next day a wind, carrying great clouds, pursued us from out of the west, while White caps, in bursts of foam, danced to the horizon.</p>
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<p>Our first landing was at Las Palmas on the Canary Islands and from there we went to Madeira, another island. These isolated bits of land lie to the West of Northern Africa. Canary Islanders, by terracing volcanic mountains, have converted them into garden spots. Theirs is an adventure in life on a vertical plane. Though I have seen wilder areas, these have never been so intimately associated with human beings. We might see a lovely home built on the edge of a cliff, while numerous roads that wind about the mountains are supported by sheer walls, built of stone. The people who have transformed this area are of the Mediterranean race, but with a minority of blonds of unknown origin.</p>
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<p><strong>[Page 10]</strong></p>
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<p>Our next stop was at the city of Tangier, Morocco, located in northwestern Africa where the Atlantic meets the Mediterranean. To us carrying memories of the Canary Islanders, the people of Tangier appeared extremely dark, though the large majority are not Negroid. They represent a type unfamiliar to Americans. For the present we shall refer to them simply as Moors: inhabitants of Morocco.</p>
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<p>Tangier has a residential area with a considerable number of well-to-do Europeans. The natives are poverty stricken and have acquired an unsavory reputation. The land about Tangier is cultivated and is uneven in contour but affords no fine prospects.</p>
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<p>Our next call was at the port of Malaga, Spain. Its people compared with those of Tangier are quite fair, in spite of a virtual absence of blonds.</p>
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<p>The Moors conquered Spain and greatly influenced her history for more than 700 years, though they did not hold all of the land over this period. Reliable information with respect to the racial origin of the Moors is not available. We shall therefore dismiss this subject with a brief estimate of probabilities. Some information indicates that the Moors were dark; of her evidence appears to contradict this. Briefly, then, they were probably made up of several racial elements: Arabs from the Near East, who were probably a fair brunette group; Berbers, some tribes having a minority of blond, or rufus elements, and finally the true Moors of North Africa, who were unquestionably dark and whose racial background we shall discuss when we reach Egypt. These groups were held together primarily by hope of conquest; secondarily, because they were all Moslems.</p>
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<p>Possibly partly, because of racial differences, the Moors usually did not take their religion too seriously. Their rulers were generally not fanatics. Broadly speaking, they allowed Spanish Christians to live in peace providing they paid a poll tax, though there was much confiscation of property of the nobility and the Church. At times friendly relations developed between Christians and Moslems.</p>
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<p><strong>[Page 11]</strong></p>
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<p>Culturally, Spain gained under the administration of the Moslems. While most of Europe was in a stupor due to the Dark Ages, Spain became a repository for numerous ideas infiltering from the Near East through Moslem channels, including Greek thought.</p>
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<p>We left the port of Malaga by car for Granada, almost immediately starting the ascent of the Tajeda Mountains. A few unpretentious but well-built houses, White, or near White, were scattered about on the mountain side. As we approached its top, or chards and grain fields were to be seen, even on steep areas. Though this was the early part of February, it was the equivalent of spring in northern climate; grass was green and fruit trees were in bloom.</p>
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<p>After passing the summit we traveled a number of miles where but little land was tillable, because of granitic rocks. Finally, hills of solid granite arose on both sides of us to heights of several hundred feet, their bleakness casting a somber spell over the small valley down which we were making our way.</p>
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<p>Finally the land became more open. It was then that we caught a distant glimpse of the snow-capped Sierra Nevada Mountain s shining as a silver streak against the sky, their lower ramparts lost in haze. Immediately around us were olive groves crowning softly rounded hills reaching to the horizon. It was in this area that we encountered numerous fine mansions, no doubt the center of great landed estates. Finally we entered an expansive valley, the site of Granada. The rich soils of this area are in marked contrast with the land we had traveled.</p>
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<p>The transition from poor and rocky fields to those of natural fertility augmented by irrigation was paralleled by an improvement in mechanical devices. In the granitic areas transportation was largely confined to pack animals, mostly donkeys, while further along horses and mules appeared, sometimes pulling carts. Finally, in the valley a few tractors were seen. In spite of these, we were surprised at the amount of field labor done by hand.</p>
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<p>The cities of Granada and Malaga are quite modern in <strong>[Page 12]</strong> their newer portions, though showing their antiquity in places where some streets are so narrow as to be limited to pedestrians.</p>
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<p>We shall not describe the Alhambra, the objective of our overland trip, as we were to see in far away lands finer structures.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">The Spanish People</span></h3>
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<p>Spain is predominantly inhabited by people of the Mediterranean race; she has absorbed minorities of her Caucasian sub-races, Nordics as well as Alpines. I did not see any indications that the dark Moors left numerous genes, though we were in the area where they remained the longest.</p>
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<p>The Spanish people, as is pointed out by Ortega, have great pride — too much to suit him. He refers to them as proud, infinitely proud. Others refer to them as dignified. However, named, this quality, combined with the courtesy that springs from it, makes them an interesting study, for in spite of their reserve they love to converse, as has been remarked on by a number of observers. We gained a feeling that, poor as they are, they live a worthwhile life.</p>
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<p>Spain has not hesitated to expel elements which she has considered inimical with her aims — jews as well as Moors, and finally, Jesuits. Moslems, before their final defeat in 1492, had been leaving as they continued to meet with military reverses. Between 1609 and 1611 many of the remaining Moors were expelled to North Africa, as decreed by Philip III; the final exodus occurring in 1614.</p>
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<p>On March 31, 1492, a decree was signed requiring conversion, or expulsion of jews within four months. It is now believed that some 165,000 left Spain while about 90,000 were baptized.</p>
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<p>Why were jews expelled from Spain? This happened at a period of religious intolerance, which played a part, though there were other reasons, many complaints sounding quite modern. But in addition, it was believed that they conspired to bring about the entry of the Moors. <strong>[Page 13]</strong> Further, according to the Catholic Encyclopaedia’s article on Torquemada, the “<em>converted jews <strong>[at the time of the Spanish Inquisition]</strong> endeavored to Judaize all Spain, and &#8230; the Catholic faith was in great danger from them.</em>”</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">AN APPRAISAL OF SPAIN</span></h3>
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<p>WE remarked in an earlier writing on the incapacity of Latins for democracy. But where as the revolutions of South America are apt to involve little more than a change of ruling cliques, Spain’s revolution of the thirties was a bloody affair which profoundly upset the whole nation.</p>
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<p>Spain and her people have fascinated many great men, though it would be difficult to say precisely why. In spite of this, let us present an estimate.</p>
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<p>Many Northerners see Spain as a land of Romance. During the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries she acquired the richest empire in the world, and after her decline into poverty the aurora of Romance continued to cling to her. Who has not become stimulated by the dream world conjured up by a reference to “<em>castles in Spain</em>”? Are we not all impressed when we learn of a Spanish grandee? The title suggests the elegance that we have come to associate with the Spanish aristocrat, the product of a long period of selection. Madariaga believes that the Gypsies and jews of Spain represent the finest specimens of these groups. The great men who have seen Spain and her people in romantic lights are Bizet, Victor Hugo, Alexander Dumas, Lord Byron, and a host of lesser musicians and men of letters.</p>
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<p>In his opera Carmen, Bizet caught many of the romantic feelings that Northerners have for Spain and her people. But it is probable that the Spanish do not see themselves as we see them. Carmen, in spite of its brilliant melodies and vibrant, orchestration, has never been popular in the land of its setting.</p>
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<p>It is generally believed by anthropologists that the Mediterranean race is closely related to Nordics in spite of the <strong>[Page 14]</strong> difference in coloring, the similarities being obvious in cranial and body structures and leading to a feeling of kinship, with the difference introducing an element of interest. The Spanish beauty with her dark hair and eyes and at her best with a feminine vitality that is rarely matched enjoys a deserved fame. Though the vivaciousness natural to her is often curbed due to an aspect of Spanish culture, it may show unexpectedly.</p>
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<p>In spite of their narrow religious viewpoint Spaniards are seldom puritans. The moral atmosphere of Spain is more relaxed than in, northern areas. Further, Spain is a man’s land; so why should it not be attractive to men from any where, including those from Northlands?</p>
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<p>The very names of Spanish cities and provinces sound like music. In the areas we visited are the province of Andalusia, the City of Granada, and the Sierra Nevada Mountains.</p>
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<p>But let us drop the world of Romance to see what we can learn of the Spanish people that is of more consequence, though before we do this we must touch on an idea that is disturbing our age.</p>
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<p>One of the tenets of The New Mythology is opposed to all value judgments with respect to peoples. According to it, we must not employ our intelligence to draw such conclusions. To justify this position the claim is made that overall estimates of peoples cannot be proved. These are then rejected out of hand and even stigmatized as improper. Such ideas we refuse to accept.</p>
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<p>In advancing the claim that the public is incapable of making proper estimates of peoples, spokesmen for The New Mythology ignore much evidence that points to the opposite conclusion. Public estimates of worth may be amazingly accurate. Thus, before they became confused by The New Mythology, the majority of our people had gained a correct understanding of the Negro’s lack of capacity. The earlier estimate has been subsequently borne out by a great array of scientific evidence.</p>
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<p>In a scale of worth based on intellectual ability, where <strong>[Page 15]</strong> should we place the inhabitants of Spain? As a means of judging their capacity, we shall look to the number of Spaniards who have risen to International fame in intellectual pursuits. As we do not consider that the art of painting represents such, we rule out Spain’s numerous great artists. In fiction the Spanish have Cervantes; however great he may be, the poverty of first rate authors is difficult to explain except through a lack of capacity. In science the raster is equally poor. Cajal, a physiologist and one of Spain’s leading scientists, shows that in comparison with the rest of Europe Spain has shown poverty in scientific thought. While we recognize that some other conquerors in the New World possessed a capacity for wielding ruthless power in achieving self-aggrandizement, such quality does not make for a sound civilization — the subject of our principal interest. On the other hand, we credit Spain with producing a number of men on the fringe of greatness.</p>
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<p>Spain has had the usual apologists who explain her backwardness and paucity of great men on the basis of social and historical circumstances. All of these ignore the fact that groups, peoples, and races have innate qualities as do individuals and that these qualities profoundly affect accomplishments. The New Mythology has set up environment as a god from whom magic flows. So great is this magic that it dispenses with biology. Nature has proved to be arbitrary. Saying this, we do not rule out the possibility that cultural factors, particularly religions, may greatly influence civilizations.</p>
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<p>Certainly Cervantes was not helped by his environment. It seemed to conspire to deny him even a minimum of advantages. His genius rose above all difficulties. What type of man was he? Cervantes refers to himself as having chestnut hair, and before it turned silver, a golden beard.</p>
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<p>Spain was the first country in Europe to introduce compulsory education for children. The Spanish people have had every opportunity to demonstrate their ability, unless we consider the Catholic Church a sufficient stultifying <strong>[Page 16]</strong> factor to account for their backwardness. But this may be looked at in two ways. While the Northern races have had the strength of mind and courage to throw off the bonds of this intellectual tyranny, Latins generally have not.</p>
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<p>Though we feel that our estimate has been proper, and within limits, accurate, we would not make too much of it. The West now faces a problem of vastly greater import. With tropical peoples posed to swamp us by means of peaceful penetration and with our own radicals actively abetting such projects, we stand in need of Western solidarity in opposition. This should include all Caucasians, and, among them, the Spanish.</p>
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<p>In my opinion if Latins could divest themselves of the racial beliefs fostered by the Catholic Church, they might become racists, for we occasionally learn of individual Latins with a remarkably clear understanding of the danger posed to our kind by Negroes. Given freedom in this area, I believe that we might even see a dynamic racist leadership appear in some Latin lands.</p>
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<p>We shall skip lightly over some areas of beauty and interest. The Monastery of Montserrat is located several miles from Barcelona in a mountainous area, perched on the side of a cliff which affords a distant view of the Pyrenees Mountains. The Riviera we shall leave to its tourists.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">ITALY AND THE ITALIANS</span></h3>
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<p>NORTHERN Italy has an interesting countryside. The city of Florence is remarkable for the number of great men, men of international reputation, who were either born, or lived there. But it is the Italian hilltop villages and towns that stand out most clearly in our memories. Often located at a considerable height, these positions formerly aided in defense. Seen from a distance in early evening, they suggest dreams of a Romantic past.</p>
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<p>The Romans have long been skillful builders. Italy has <strong>[Page 17]</strong> an abundance of rock in its hills and mountains but little timber. Due to this situation, rock is extensively employed in construction, though usually covered with plaster and painted, while the roofs are every where seen. The construction gives an air of permanency appropriate to an ancient civilization.</p>
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<p>The exterior of St. Peter’s is unimpressive, though the court in front of it, flanked as it is by numerous columns, offers a fine sight.</p>
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<p>St. Peter’s is built in the shape of a cross — 600 feet long and 450 feet wide with a great dome striking upward over the area of convergence. How the dome fits symbolically into a conception based on the cross, I am not aware — but there it arises in all of its magnificence.</p>
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<p>No figures can convey the majestic feeling of grandeur imparted by the interior of the cathedral. Looking from one end of the central have towards the other, one is impressed by the tininess of the human figures as these are seen about the tomb of St. Peter, located under the dome. The canopy which surmounts the tomb is made of bronze supported by four great bronze pillars. Strangely, this metal is of pagan origin, having been removed from the Pantheon.</p>
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<p>While sightseeing in Italy, we were frequently reminded by our guides that the early Christians had been persecuted, but never a word was said about cruelties practiced by Christians against skeptics during the Inquisition.</p>
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<p>One gains the impression over the Mediterranean lands that an excessive proportion of the wealth of its peoples has been diverted into the construction of cathedrals, churches, and chapels. Of these there are in Rome alone 440 devoted to the Catholic faith. (It may be of some interest to record that Rome has 12 Protest ant churches and 2 synagogues.)</p>
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<p>In addition to the cost of the structures, an immense amount of wealth is diverted to the maintenance of the Church as an organization, its priesthood being largely <strong>[Page 18]</strong> unproductive. But surely, the Church must offer something in return.</p>
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<p>At a cocktail party aboard ship I was told by a doctor, born in Sicily, but brought to America while young and educated in New York City, that the Mediterranean peoples are in need of the discipline imposed by the Church on its peoples. It was his belief that without priests to tell the poor that it is wrong to steal, and freed of the fear of Hell, crimes would greatly increase. These, he admitted, are unduly high, and he remarked that all of the peoples of the Mediterranean are dishonest. He spoke highly of the Japanese, by contrast. I might add that experienced travelers have developed similar beliefs about these peoples, based on experience. We need not discount their beliefs, as The New Mythology would have us do; for, as we have seen, popular appraisals are often correct. In case the Church cannot justify its existence on of her grounds, Mediterraneans pay an immense price for this form of discipline. But the Church has other functions.</p>
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<p>We gained the impression in the Catholic lands we visited that much of community life is tied to Church activities. Showmanship is every where in evidence, the great cathedrals offering this as fiestas in frozen form, the fiestas providing a temperate but dynamic outlet for the Latin love of spectacles. Again, the cost to the people is high.</p>
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<p>In spite of the powerful hold of the Church in the Mediterranean area, there is evidence that in Italy she is losing some of her grip; there are a surprising number of atheists in this land of the ancient pagans.</p>
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<p>Rome looks best at night. Many of its buildings are painted a golden tan and as the illumination from the city’s lights is also golden, the effect is pleasing. By day they appear faded and shabby. In portions of the outlying parts of the city at least a few of the streets have been widened — some, greatly, so that the effect is one of openness, much in contrast with the other Mediterranean cities that we visited, except Barcelona.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">The Italian People</span></h3>
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<p>Basically, the people of Italy are of the Mediterranean race; particularly to the south of Rome. To the north, they have absorbed Caucasian sub-races in numbers, especially Alpines and various groups affiliated with Nordic stocks.</p>
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<p>Because of their incapacity for democracy, Latins need able leaders. When they have had these, they have been great conquerors. At other times they failed.</p>
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<p>Most of Rome’s successful leaders sprang from her important families. As Rome achieved greatness, her gifted families began to die out. They were apt to have one child, or none, or often an adopted child — sometimes a slave. It is quite likely that the ending of the better strains of Roman blood played a part in her decline, and possibly a major one.</p>
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<p>How much has Italy benefited from the Northern people who have settled in her land, particularly in the North? Certainly, some; probably, a great deal. As an example, Caesar Augustus, grand nephew of Julius Caesar, is claimed by racists as a Nordic, and credence is given to this claim as he had sandy, or golden hair and light eyes. But what can one man do for a whole nation? In the case of Augustus, a great deal; his impact on history changed its course. It is generally recognized that Augustus ended the threat of anarchy and established an era of internal and external peace, unfamiliar to the ancient world. This, he considered his greatest accomplishment.</p>
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<p>Augustus gathered all power to himself, then employed it for the benefit of the Empire; achieving a harmonious whole, and this without any special concessions to any group, or groups. Nor did he employ demagoguery, or imply that he aimed at equality. At the same time he was democratic in his personal relationships and would not allow the display of statues of himself. He spent tremendous sums in improving and beautifying Rome and the Empire; none for his own aggrandizement, though he ruled virtually all of the then known world. Augustus, <strong>[Page 20]</strong> in refusing to promote his own personality, was the least Latin of the Romans.</p>
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<p>So great was the success of Augustus that, partly in his lifetime but mostly after his death, he became revered throughout the Empire as a divine figure.</p>
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<p>One of Augustus’s favorite emblems was the Sphinx, which is fitting for he remains one of the most enigmatic figures encountered in history. He could speak fluently when he chose, or hold his tongue. When his genius failed him, he learned from experience. In spite of the fact that he suffered from poor health all of his life and was subjected to unprecedented strains, observers have remarked on his placid expression, which shows in his portraits. Though it is difficult to penetrate to the innermost reaches of his mind, we know that he was a conservative, who wished to preserve the classes much as they had developed historically, though he saw to it that exceptional individual s could arise and gain recognition. He also tried to restore the ancient Roman virtues.</p>
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<p>Of the great men of history, Augustus has garnered the least fame. There are several reasons for this. Conservatives who have become intoxicated with democracy do not like him, because he became the first emperor of Rome. Radicals despise him, because he was basically a conservative. Romantic lovers of displays of sheer power are apt to ignore him, because he rejected such a pursuit. An appraisal of true greatness of Augustus, based on balance and moderation, lies outside of public interest. The few who have seen beyond these superficial outlooks have had little, or no effect in establishing a deserved fame for this great man.</p>
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<p>From Italy, we sailed for Greece. As this country was the site of the first flowering of most that is best in Western thought we shall by-pass it here, hoping to deal with it later, when we have more space at our disposal.</p>
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<p>We left Athens for the island of Rhodes, and from there went to Egypt.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#160; [Luke Ford, an Australian living in the USA, who &#8220;converted&#8221; to Judaism in 1993, interviews Kevin MacDonald and his response to a recent critique of his highly ignored (by academia), yet important book, &#8220;The Culture of Critique&#8220;, by the &#8230; <a href="https://katana17.com/2018/03/24/luke-ford-with-macdonald-vs-cofnas-on-culture-of-critique-mar-2018-transcript/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[<strong>Luke Ford, </strong>an Australian living in the USA, who &#8220;<em>converted</em>&#8221; to Judaism in 1993, interviews <strong>Kevin MacDonald</strong> and his response to a recent critique of his highly ignored (by academia), yet important book, &#8220;<strong><em>The Culture of Critique</em></strong>&#8220;, by the 30-year-old, academically unknown, New York jew, <strong>Nathan Cofnas</strong>. Cofnas was scheduled to come on with MacDonald, but was unable to, due to time zone differences, as he&#8217;s in England, studying at Oxford. </span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Ford plays somewhat of a devil&#8217;s advocate on behalf of Cofnas, quoting some of Cofnas&#8217;, yet to be released, responses to MacDonald&#8217;s 18,0000 word response to Cofnas&#8217;s critique.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">This transcript covers  the first 71 minute part of the Youtube video with MacDonald, and not the remaining part of the total 220 minute video, where Cofnas does appear in the last third of it.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Overall, my take is that, it&#8217;s all a storm in a teacup, with very weak tea being dished up by Cofnas.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Now, the most likely reason that until now there has been, apparently, no proper academic response to MacDonald&#8217;s work, is because its main ideas are true and significant. So what was the message that has been sent out by organized jewry to academics? For over 20 years, it&#8217;s been, &#8220;<em>Kill the message by totally ignoring it!</em>&#8220;</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"> MacDonald&#8217;s main point in his book is that jews, just like other human groups, act as a group to advance their interests often at the expense of other groups. Since organized jewry has maneuvered itself into being the most powerful group in Western societies, it has, and is wrecking utter destruction upon us! Especially by engineering the flooding of White countries, from New Zealand to Norway, with non-Whites. And part of the jewish group evolutionary strategy, to use Kmac&#8217;s terminology, is to prevent Whites from waking up to what they are doing to us, and responding in kind.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">So, this interview is interesting, in that we get to see Kmac defend his book, his position, in his mild-mannered, yet strong way, against a young upstart jew making a name for himself. Cofnas fails, but rest assured, that another jew, defending their tribal war against Whites, will step into the breach and fire away.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>Organized jewry is at total war with Whites</strong>, attempting to genocide us through whatever means. Kmac has helped us in exposing that, with his academic work, so we should all join together in supporting him, and others like him, in what ever way we can.</span></p>
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<p class="style-scope ytd-expander" style="text-align: center;">Kevin MacDonald joins me on my YouTube channel at 7pm tonight (Nathan Cofnas might come along to keep things lively) and Richard Spencer joins me at 5pm Wednesday (CA time). Nathan Cofnas joins the show here:</p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> And we’re back! Just trying to work out the technical difficulties and get Kevin MacDonald back in here. I hope the audio’s better. Sorry about these technical difficulties, but these things happen. And now maybe this time we’ll hear Kevin loudly and clearly. So I think that’s the important thing. So, sorry about that and we’re gonna get Kevin in here any second. So we’re talking about his response to the Nathan Cofnas critique of “<strong><em>The Culture of Critique</em></strong>”. And Kevin says:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I have a particular complaint, because of Steven Pinker’s not <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[?]</strong></span> <span style="color: #008000;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">anti</span></span><span style="color: #0000ff;">&#8211;</span>scientific approach to my work, in part responsible for my spending the last 20 years in the intellectual wilderness.”</span></h3>
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<p>Wow that is very honest! That’s kind of hot on the sleeve! That’s transparent honestly! It’s not like beating around the bush! That is just laying it down.</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Nevertheless, Pinker has moved the scientific and popular reception of behavior genetics of evolutionary perspectives forward. See, for example, his withering criticism in the “<strong>Blank Slate</strong>” of three of the figures discussed in Chapter two of &#8220;<strong>Cultural of Critique</strong>&#8220;, Stephen Jay Gould, Lewontin, and Rose.</span></h3>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">And for all I know he is pursuing a tactical strategy of gradualism by supporting ideas that are still regarded with extreme hostility in large swaths of academia and the media, in the hope that things will eventually change. Though his recent work &#8220;<strong>Enlightenment Now</strong>&#8221; is not encouraging in that regard. The rest of Cofnas’ conclusion is simply name-calling — no need to respond.” says Kevin.</span></h3>
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<p>So I’m sure Kevin will be in here any minute, and even Nathan Cofnas will come by. So thank you for tuning in. Waiting to get Kevin MacDonald back in the chat and take care of those pesky audio problems that troubled us in our first attempt to get this discussion moving.</p>
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<p>And Dominque wants me to replace Bill Mayer.</p>
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<h3>“Luke needs to stop being a coward and investigate and address “Holocaust” truth! He knows it’s the critical piece to understanding contemporary jewish power!”</h3>
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<p>Well, how come none of the premier Alt-Right intellectuals,<span style="color: #008000;"><strong> [are with]</strong> </span>the “<em>Holocaust</em>” revisionists. Neither <strong>Kevin MacDonald</strong>, or even <strong>Andrew Joyce</strong>, <strong>Jared Taylor</strong>, <strong>Richard Spencer</strong>, <strong>F Roger Devlin</strong>. None of the smartest Alt-Right intellectuals, &#8230;</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Because speaking the truth about the hoax nature of the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8221; will bring down the sadistic wrath of organized jewry on their heads. It&#8217;s &#8220;<em>Fear of the jews</em>&#8221; and how they can ruin your life, especially if you are a public figure.]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Hey that sounds much better! Thank you sir.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Okay, good.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Oh yeah, this is great! Wow! So much to talk about!</p>
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<p>Okay. What is your perspective on the default hypothesis and why your perspective on Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy is superior?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well the default hypothesis is just absolutely the most basic thing. I mean, it’s like jews are smart. I haven’t looked at it lately, but I guess it’s the idea that simply the jews are smarter, or something. And that explains everything. On the other hand, I mean, what I’m trying to do is more than that. Acknowledge that jews are smart, they are on average. But the default hypothesis is the simplest possible explanation that might account for it.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I’m trying to do something more ambitious. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just a matter of finding if it’s true, or not. I mean, I have to show it’s true, but if I do show, then I’ve shown something more than the default hypothesis. And that is, you know, in science you want the truth. You don’t want, simplicity is wonderful, but the default hypothesis is certainly is good. It’s something I guess. But it’s not going to be where you want to be ultimately. You want to find out were jewish motivations important? Were the sense of jewish interests important? Those are the kinds of things you want to do.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Now one thing that’s interesting about the Cofnas critique is that Cofnas is obviously a race realist, and so is Steven Pinker. And I think there were two other jews and a non jew on the peer review are signing off on a paper of race realism. Did you see any significance to that?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well it’s interesting. I had heard that I guess. That he is a race realist, which is wonderful. And I think Pinker is also. I mean, I don’t know about Pinker. The only thing I’ve seen by Pinker that suggests that is he does believe that jews are smarter. And he does believe that there’s some kind of selective pressures within the jewish community to produce that. That’s certainly part way there. I don’t know if he believes in black White IQ differences, I really don’t, but it’s interesting. It’s part way. It’s shows he’s not completely, you know, got his head in the sand! And then yeah he’s a pretty smart guy. I’m not denying that either.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> If these if these professors are signing off on an academic paper, you know, based on race realism, saying that jews are smarter, they are implicitly signing off that other people are less intelligent.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> They are. And I think, you know, they would not want to talk about blacks being smarter than, … the Whites being smarter than blacks, or something like that. Although I’m not sure. But I’ve never seen anything by Pinker suggesting he believes that.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I haven’t read really anything of Cofnas at all apparently. Apparently he did something about Samuel Morton, the 19th century anthropologist. I got some email about that. And it did suggest that he was more of a race realist, or something. But I, you know, I really don’t know anything about the man, except seeing this article he did about me.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> So was this the first time in your memory that you heard the name Nathan Cofnas?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah! That was the only time, you know, and it sort of shocked me! It took me by surprise. It, what happened Saturday was it Saturday night?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Something like that and I didn’t get going on it. I sort of glanced at it on Sunday and then I started working on a reply on Monday. Pretty furiously, and I ended up with 18 thousand words for heaven’s sake, it in a rather short period of time. So it’s rather intense. I don’t like things hanging out there! You know, when someone posts saying, you know, there’s an automatic feeling:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Wow! This guy knows what he’s doing! You know, and he’s really nailed MacDonald and everything!”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I just don’t like the idea that it’s sitting out there. So, I mean, I could have taken more time, maybe done a little better job, but and I may revise it in the future. But I wanted to get it out there! I don’t like things sitting out there.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> One thing I loved about your rebuttal and about your writing in general, is the emotional honesty! Like you don’t mind <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[08:02]</strong> </span>putting yourself on the line and using your own life and the most painful parts of your life as examples of your theories.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong><span style="color: #008000;"> <strong>[chuckling]</strong> </span>well, you know, I’m used to it! I’ve been defending myself for 20 years! I mean, not like this quite. But if you go to my website I have a section on replies to my critics. And people have been all over me 20 years. At my university as I said, in the introduction, or footnote. I mean, I was subjected to intense hostility on faculty email lists, and people arguing against different things. They never really went after “<em>Culture of Critique</em>”, but they made points about different things.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I was for a while in the late 90s after the books came out I was on this history email discussion, saying, you know, about jewish history. Somebody got me on there. And boy, that was intense! , because they were really going after me! But,  I answered them as best I could, and I didn’t feel I was being nailed, you know. So I’m used to it! I’ve got a whole folder what I got. It’s called “<em>Defense</em>” where I’ve written all these defenses of my work. And it’s repetitive! So I’ve seen it all, basically.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I’ve been around the block on a lot of these things. And one thing that surprised me about Cofnas is he’d seem to think that having a counterexample, if you find a jew who criticized psychoanalysis, or criticizes Israel, or something, I mean, as if that can refute what I’m saying! I just didn’t understand how you could think that! Because I mean, I have seen it before and it’s remarkable that came up so often in his critique.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Ford:</strong> Yeah. How much explanatory power does the default hypothesis have for jewish intellectual influence? Does it does it account for 90% of it, do you think?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well, I wouldn’t want to venture a guess on that. I mean, there are a lot of jews, as I say in there, that are do good work. And I think that’s not the issue. The issue, are these particular movements that have been very influential. And I do get into the little bit on the philosophy of science in the middle of it somewhere. I talk about being “<em>falsifiable</em>”, because at one point he said that I’ve never acknowledged any evidence that could refute the theory. And I’ve seen other people say that.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But it’s so obvious! The way to refute my theory is simply say that I’m wrong about my historical accounts! It’s like any historian. And, you know, what my books are basically, the basic approach is evolutionary psychology, but within that, quite often, history becomes important. In the culture of critique it’s intellectual history. Basically psychoanalysis, Frankfurt School, and so on.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So if you want to show I’m wrong. All you have to do is say well, you know, psychoanalysis is not a jewish movement! Well Cofnas never even tries to do that! He doesn’t even go there! He makes little, you know, forays here and there. And again, when it comes out, and I’ve always done those with my critics. I go through every last point that they make! I don’t leave anything out! And so that’s why they ended up being very long. I mean, I quoted him, and had to write on it, and sometimes, a lot of times I brought in stuff from the books. So it got very lengthy. But, I don’t like to think that:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If I’d written a five-page thing and pointed out a few things, that would be one thing. But I think then I’d be open to that kind of charge. But he made all these claims about “<em>cherry-picking</em>”, and what was the other thing, “<em>misrepresentation</em>”. Well, I went through every one where that was claimed. And I mean, I’d like to see him do the same, because in my reply I said that he’s misinterpreting, misrepresenting what I’m saying, in a number of places. And in one case I did say it was cherry-picking. So I mean, if he wants to repeat what I said, he’s got a job on his hands. But if he wants to do as thorough a job as I did. And we’ll see if he does that. I don’t know if he. I haven’t heard from him since it since I posted my thing.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Did Cofnas in any way make an intellectual contribution to this discussion?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well I didn’t feel it did in the end. He didn’t really engage any of the real thesis of the thing. I mean, one of the most heartening things on Saturday, or Sunday, I got an email from a professor I know. A very well-regarded guy, respected in evolutionary psychology. He said he just didn’t engage any of you main points. He didn’t! So even if he was right about all these things he said, it didn’t really threaten any of the major points. I mean, take psychoanalysis. Did he ever show, did he even try to show that these guys didn’t identify as Jews? No! Did he try to show that they didn’t have a sense of jewish interest? No! And that’s the fundamental thing! Did he try to show that they really didn’t have any influence? Well, that’s absurd in the case of psychoanalysis! Very absurd!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So in a way I was heartened by that, because, very heartened by that! And when I looked through this thing, I had to agree. I mean, I hadn’t even read it all yet. But it just doesn’t do anything. Take the chapter on the Left. Well, it doesn’t show that jewish identification, … he never even raises one example! I’ve got dozens of examples in there! He never gives one example where he says:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well he doesn’t do that! So again, I was feeling that he hadn’t really addressed the point. The points that he did make, were interesting, but they didn’t attack the central thesis, you know. So a lot of it did involve, well, you know, as a misrepresentation you didn’t, you ignored this, or something like that. Okay, I went through that and I think I rebutted it. We will see what happens now.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> So how would one falsify your theory of judaism being a group evolutionary strategy?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well it’s like I said a minute ago. You would show that, … the basic idea of a group evolutionary strategy is simply a group that is an effective group in terms of natural selection and evolution. And what that would require, is you have to show that they are able to regulate the behavior of the members of the group. And in my first book “<strong><em>People That Shall Dwell Alone</em></strong>” is about that. It goes into traditional jewish societies. It doesn’t even get to 20th century, it’s almost all the ancient world and so on, and into the 19th and early 20th century, maybe. But if you look at those communities they were very tightly structured! Okay. So the behavior of jews towards each other were highly regulated!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">For example if once you had a business monopoly, a second Jews couldn’t go in there and try to challenge that monopoly. In other words, if it was a fellow jew, they couldn’t do that. So if, for example, a jew failed to pay his taxes, do other things required by the community, well they would punish him. And, you know, in the 19th century in Russia, they had jails in synagogues. And if somebody married a non-jew, well the whole family would be tarnished.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Those are the kinds of things, the kind of sanctions on individual jewish behavior within the community. That is what makes it a group evolutionary strategy, because you’re able to regulate the members of the in-group and prevent cheaters! The problem, you know, the theoretical problem has always been. And that’s how I started out. I do mention that in the rebuttal, in the first couple pages, about how I got to where I am.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Again, a lot of it’s, maybe, in footnotes. But what I say is, that I got the idea of a group evolutionary strategy, I started out I was interested in monogamy. Why is monogamy such a big thing in Western European history? And it’s not the case in so many other cultures. If you look at the Arab world, Africa, China, you don’t see monogamy. And so I ended up seeing that. I noticed that there are a lot of social controls, that people were regulating marriage. The church was regulating marriages.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then, I wrote a book in 1988 on developmental psychology. But the last chapter I focused on the Spartans. The ancient Greek Spartans. And you see there’s a very engineered society. It was started by a guy named<strong> <a class="mw-redirect" title="Lycurgus (Sparta)" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycurgus_%28Sparta%29">Lycurgus</a> </strong>who had an idea. I mean, he had a program a blueprint for how this should work. And so Spartan kids were brought up to be soldiers. Their whole life was to be a soldier! They were taken away from their families.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">They were, so this was all an engineered thing, in the same way jewish communities you have these religious studies. You teach them these things. And everything in child development is very much programmed. And so I went from the Spartans, and I didn’t really then, really focused on the idea this is a contribution to thinking about humans in evolutionary terms. It really hadn’t been done before. And that is to emphasize the group level., because again it was a heresy back in the 1980s. It was just, you know, everything was individual selection. Groups don’t matter. All groups can be analyzed as a bunch of individuals.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I said no! Human groups are different from animals. We can regulate ourselves in a way from external pressures, these<span style="color: #008000;">  </span>social controls and ideology. And if you look at the Spartans they would have an ideology that would rationalize the whole thing.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Of course, Judaism have had an ideology of how they rationalize what they did within their communities. But by what they did that within those communities made them effective groups from an evolutionary standpoint, evolutionary selection between groups.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> As jews are now marrying out, well above 50%, does that mean that jews are no longer employing a group evolutionary strategy? Or is it no longer effective? Or is this part of the group evolutionary strategy, marrying non-jews?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah well, I think that’s the thing. I mean, the phenomenon of intermarriage is certainly very common in the West now. You could be talking about America and other European based countries. And that’s, because these controls broke down really! I mean, hey, you know, I actually should write about that! Yeah, the point is, in traditional society you couldn’t marry anybody you wanted! That was, you know, if you did, your whole family would be screwed! You know, there was just no way to do that!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Those controls broke down in the 19th century. And the jews was, you know, this was called “<em>emancipation</em>”. They left they the jewish ghettos, they went to the universities, they, you know, did all these things. And when they got out in the real world, they started intermarrying. And they sort of lost those intense community ties.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But if you look in Israel you don’t see intermarriage, because they’re pretty much there with other jews. And it’s interesting that in the early 20th century that was the whole point of Zionism. A very major point of Zionism, as it developed in the early 20th century, was to prevent assimilation and to prevent intermarriage! They could see this happening already in Germany. And they they were thinking that this is the end of Judaism. And you still see that. A lot of jewish activists like, say Alan Dershowitz, they are very concerned that in the long run there won’t be any jews, or there won’t be any sort of ethnic jews. It’s going to change that dramatically.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Is there a certain rate of intermarriage that would invalidate your theory of Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy? I mean, if it goes north of 60 percent, if it goes north of 70 percent?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah I think it’s interesting, the fact is that what I’ve done, you know. The first book was on traditional societies and most of the second book was really. The third book <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[“<em>The Culture of Critique</em>”]</strong></span> is on really, almost all of it is really on secular Jews, who are not that attached to the jewish community. But they do identify as Jews. And they have a sense of belonging to a jewish community. But it’s not like it was. And in a way what you have to hesitate to say is that Diaspora Judaism in America is a group evolutionary strategy.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I almost hesitate to call it that. I would call it that in traditional societies for sure! That’s the whole point of the first book. And you might even say that in Israel, because they, you know, it’s an ethno-state. But, and in America, certainly there are vestiges of that. But the point of “<em>The Culture of Critique</em>” is that it’s almost like I get out of that framework. And the most important thing is how do these jews, how are they influencing culture?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And the fact is, even though they may be intermarried, and maybe they’re not like, Theodor Adorno was only half jewish, I think. And yeah he was very strongly identified as a jew. And so he participated his intellectual movements that I covered. So, was he part of a group evolutionary strategy? Well, I suppose he is. What I’d have to say is that the ones who are participating in the group evolutionary strategy are the strongly identified jews who are actively trying to promote jewish interests as they see them. Of course, there are going to be disputes among them as to what jewish interests are.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So I would say that Freud was part of a group evolutionary strategy in the sense that, you know, and intellectuals today. If you look at, say the American, the ADL, say. Someone like Stephen Greenblatt, Abe Foxman. Those guys are strongly identified jews, they are doing what they see as advancing jewish interests. At some point  and another point I think I do make somewhere in the reply, is that if you look at the leadership of the Jewish community, it’s still ethnically jewish. I mean, you look at something like Greenblatt. He’s got two jewish parents, four jewish grandparents all the way back. Abe Foxman. I don’t know of any real leadership position here that’s held by people who are intermarried and so on.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But, in any case, I mean, it’s certainly the case that there’s a lot of intermarriage. But even that, a lot of the children of these people do strong identify as Jews, and a lot don’t. And so a lot of them are going to fall by the wayside. They’re not going to be jewish anymore. So, you know, your mom’s jewish and your dad isn’t, then so then you marry a non jew, pretty soon, it’s not going to be there anymore. And your probably not even gonna be welcome in the jewish community.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But at some point it’s gonna dissipate and end really did you got a jewish great-great-great grandparent, so what?</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> So let’s just say for discussions sake, just to push you on this point. If jewish out marriage rates in the United States climb above 70%, it would be then fair to say that, most jews in the United States and not following a group evolutionary strategy?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah i’d probably say most of them are not, but you’d have to interview them and see what they’re up to. You know, I mean, part of it would just be, you know, how strongly do you identify as a Jews? You know, do you, are you active in jewish organizations? Do you like, …, because after all there are two elements of the whole thing. One is genetics, and one is culture. Now for centuries the culture and the genetics were sort of tied together completely! , but that’s not the case so much anymore. But you could have a person who’s a quarter jewish, or something like that, and he strongly identifies as a Jews. But I think most of those people will not, and they will their children will not marry a Jews. And so they’re sort of dropping out of the whole thing.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> So, I mean, your theory of Judaism is a group evolutionary strategy does not have to apply it to every single jewish community, like, …</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Oh no! Not at all.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Much better than other jewish communities. For plenty of jewish communities it’s not going to be a useful tool of analysis. Like you said a jewish community with an 80% intermarriage rate, it’s not really a useful tool for that sort of community. Is that fair?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah I mean, 80 percent, yeah, even 60% you’ve got an awful lot of people who don’t identify much anymore. And they’re gonna fall out. And that’s a concern that jewish activists. I know that. I mean, when I wrote the book and it’s interesting, because in 1998 I wrote two books. And they both dealt with that issue that in the last chapter of each of those books.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And at that time there was a lot of writing within the jewish community, in the jewish press. Condemning intermarriage and trying to shore it up. And trying to prevent it., because all the studies started coming out, you know, 30, 40, or 50 percent, you know, at that time 50 percent was, I think, was what people were saying. And then people could hardly believe it. But there’s a real backlash against that attempt to shore it up. Well I guess it failed! It’s gotten worse.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay. So there’s a guy in the chatroom who lives in Europe, I don’t believe he’s jewish, but his boss is jewish. And his boss just looks very askance at Zionism.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> So in the modern world like after the “<em>Holocaust</em>” we’ve now had a jewish state for approximately 60 plus, 70 years. In this modern world if you have a jewish community where they are opposed to the existence of an ethno-jewish state, you know, currently known as Israel, and then, and that’s widespread, let’s say it’s like 60% of the community, just to use that figure from intermarriage. Does that then challenge the usefulness of the tool of Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy, when you have a majority of a jewish community are opposed to the jewish state.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well in the reply I talked about there is a jewish Orthodox, jewish sect that does not accept Israel. Yet they strong identify as jews. It does exist! And there are certainly critics of Israel. One of the points I make in the reply, is that critics of Israel are getting more and more common among jews. I mean, one of the websites I read every day is Mondowiess. A great website! And they’re very critical of Zionism as it exists in Israel now. And these guys are strongly identified as Jews.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Phillip Wiess is the Editor and he’s talks about that. And I think he wants to feel part of the jewish community. But at the same time, he’s a sort of liberal lefty kind of guy. Who can’t stand with what he’s seeing over there. And so he’s very critical. And he probably thinks in the long run, this is not a good strategy for jews. To have a state that’s doing, you know, the ethnic cleansing, they’re taking over the West Bank, they’re seizing more and more land, and annexing, and so on.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And those are the things that are giving Israel a sort of pariah status in the world now! Well if you’re jewish, you gotta say, well either you’re gonna say, well that’s fine, you know. But a lot of jews I think are sort of clenching their teeth and they’re saying, you know:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But again, another point I make though, I think in Israel, within Israel, the fanatics are in charge! And I made that point in response to the review by the “<strong><em>Israel Lobby</em></strong>” the book by Mearsheimer and Walt., because their point, they wanted, they are very critical of Israel and how it’s influenced our foreign policy. And they’re very critical about what Israel’s done to the Palestinians. So what they say is for Israel’s own good they should shape up! And they should stop all this stuff! And, you know, become a sort of regular state. But I don’t see that happening.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And what I see is that people like Natalie Bennett is talking about, you know, succeeding Netanyahu. Well, he’s a leader of the secular movement. I think that it’s just going to get more intense as time goes on. I mean, the people having the children over in Israel tend to be the more orthodox. This is the case in this country.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Where in Israel they are coming to a majority there if not already. I don’t think a sort of, you know, the people who started Israel, the so-called labor Zionist, they were very much liberal on the Left and all that and even though, they were aggressive and so on. It’s gotten more intense over the years, obviously, beginning with the Begin government back in 1970. So yeah, I think Israel is getting more extreme. I think it’s going to keep going that way.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> A jewish reader of yours, writes in the chat room:</p>
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<h3>“If individualism are key to Western beauty and greatness, how can this be retained with ethnic cohesion?”</h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well yeah, it is a very good question. What I would hope is that we could have a period where we would sort of give up our individualism, re-establish ourselves, get back on our feet, and then reestablish individualism afterwards. We’re gonna need some cohesion here for a while. We’re going to need some sense of the mission that we have to right things in Europe, and America, Australia, New Zealand, and other places.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So I think that’s gonna require more of a collective mentality. And, you know, I’m a northern European. I’m quite individualist, but at the same time I understand the need to sort of submerge myself in a movement! I realized I’m not going to necessarily approve of everything everybody does. I have to look at a lot of different alternatives. But the point is that I’m going to join a more collective society, submerge my individualism a little bit, in order for the greater good.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Right. So if jews are prominently represented on both the hereditarian race realist side, you’ve had a lot of jews speaking at American Renaissance, as well as being prominently represented on the opposite, the egalitarian side. What explanatory power does your theory of Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy have, if you have prominent jews, and in numbers, on both sides of the debate such as the hereditarian versus the egalitarian perspective on racial IQ differences?</p>
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<p>Oh! What happened? I lost Kevin MacDonald! Doggone it! Let me throw in an invite back so. Sorry!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Sorry I looked at the thing and it said iI was off and now I realized it wasn’t. Anyway, the answer to your question is, and this came up, you know, in my reply. The question isn’t a matter of counting heads. The question is who’s been influential? And so in chapter two I talk about that, and the point is that the anti-hereditarian have in a very real sense won that day. And the reason they won it is, because of jewish activism.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And the prime example is Stephen Jay Gould. I mean, and I give a lot of attention to him in that chapter. He’s been enormously influential. Harvard professor, you know, he also wrote a lot in the popular press. He had a column at Natural History. He became like a superstar, an academic superstar! I saw him talk once, and he was a brilliant speaker! You know, he gave a slide show, he had three screens going, he was very flamboyant and talked with absolute confidence! I’ll never forget it, I’ll never forget!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He said right towards the end, and he’s talking about the human brain, or something. He said:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“What could be more obvious and that the human brain, our ideas and everything, our brain itself is not under natural selection!”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I just, you know, I’m sitting there in the audience, and I’m saying:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Are you kidding me?”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But he said it was such a aplomb! You know, in a roomful of academics and they’re all cheering wildly! I mean, it was like this guy was very, very, effective! So again, it’s the same way with it with Israel! I mean, there are a lot of jews now who are criticizing Israel, but who’s important? AIPAC is important! The Sheldon Adelson is important! Haim Sabin is important! You know, there that’s where the money comes from. And if you should cross AIPAC, you know, if you cross AIPAC you’re gonna be in trouble if your politician. So even if you find a substantial percentage of jews are critical of Israel, or something like that, it may not mean a darn thing! You see what I mean?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">You can have people like Nancy Siegel and Richard Herstein, the co-author of “<em>The Bell Curve</em>”. Great scientists! But what happened to “<em>The Bell Curve</em>”? Nothing! Yeah, I mean, aft 20 years, you know, that’s been around since 1994! And it was a huge blow up at the time, but has “<em>The Bell Curve</em>” influenced public policy at all? Has “<em>The Bell Curve</em>” influenced? Charles Murray would be the first to admit this! Herstein had a dialogue on this, a long time ago, around 1994.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So the point is, not how many jews are in which way, whatever movement, the question is who won and why! And so that’s what you have to look at in all these cases, really.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> A question from the chat:</p>
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<h3>“What do you think about Jared Taylor including Ashkenazim as White?”</h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well I’m not sure. You know, in a way Ashkenazim are White. I mean, there’s a certain substantial European admixture there. Maybe 40 percent, overall. But, you know, if it goes up one 1% a year a generation, over forty generations you’re talking about that. And so there is a substantial admixture. An awful lot of Ashkenazi jews certainly look European. I think of someone like Jon Stewart. I mean, he doesn’t look jewish at all to me. So there are these genetic reasons why you might say that, but what I’ve always said is two things, two points I’d like to make.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">One point is, I think that Jared Taylor may see this is a tactical issue, more than anything else. He realizes that jews are powerful and I think he wants to have a movement trying to recruit White America basically and get ourselves back on our feet. And one way to do that, maybe, is to get jews on our side. And I don’t disagree with that. I think more power to him! If he wins, hey, I’d say:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Jared you won! Congratulations! You had the best strategy!”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But the other thing is that besides genetics there’s also identity. And the fact is that most jews, you know, the jewish education is geared to seeing jews as a victimized group historically, as a persecuted group. Christianity as a persecuting force, and again I was thinking of Ford, because Ford came up in the reply and, you know, where he talked about the persecuting Catholic Church and seeing the Catholic churches as their enemy. Well, you’re seeing an essential Western institution as an enemy.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And, of course, the reason for that is during the Middle Ages some of the Pope’s, not all popes, but some of the Popes were very anti-jewish. You had this in the Spanish Inquisition which had strong religious overtones. You had these Crusaders in the Middle Ages killing jews on the way the Holy Land. So into the present really.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[40:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So there is that, there. But what that means is a lot of jews do not identify with Western culture. Even if they are, you know, maybe if they are 60 percent European. Some of them probably are, some of them probably much less. But they psychologically they don’t identify with it. So it’s not just genetics, it’s identity. How you think of yourself.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And the fact is, these jews who were involved in these jewish intellectual movements I talked about, were strongly identified as jews. And so that’s the critical thing is jewish identity for them. And that’s where I had to show it in each of those books.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Now, in your chapter on the Frankfurt School, you said that these jewish intellectuals strongly identified as jews. But I believed the only evidence you brought to support that was that they cared about the “<em>Holocaust</em>”. Now you don’t have to strongly identify as a jew to care about the “<em>Holocaust</em>”. So, on what basis do you say that the Frankfurt School intellectuals strongly identified as jews?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Why I have to look over my old chapter again <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong></span>. It is more than that! Believe me. I mean, there was some examples of that.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> I mean, Horkheimer especially. Look at his writings, especially as he got older, very strongly. And you look at the book like “<em>Dialect of the xxx</em>”. I spend a lot of time on that in the reply. I mean, it is such, so obviously an apologetic. You know, it’s an attempt to say basically that, an attempt to account for anti-semitism, but in the most convoluted, weird way!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Where the actual behavior of jews in this historical time doesn’t matter. It’s not like they ever went into something that happened in the 16th century, or the Inquisition, or something, and tried to see what was going on the other side. Instead it was a psychoanalytic. It was just crazy! And that can only happen if you are strongly motivated to vindicate jewish history. And to exculpate any kind of blame for it.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Yeah. It seems though that the Frankfurt School did push the same kind of multicultural agenda both on jews and non-jews. It’s not like they were pushing cohesion, unity, and exclusion for jews, and then the opposite for non-jews. They were, by and large, pushing the same recipe on both jews and non-jews. Would you agree with that?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well! Were they pushing it on non-jews? I had sections, let me look at my reply, because they did come up in this whole discussion. Let me see if I can find it. Well at a basic level you had Frankfurt School funded by the American jewish Committee. It’s hard to believe that they had no jewish identification. It’s hard to believe they didn’t care about Jewish continuity. That’s certainly what the American jewish Committee was all about. I have a long section, I’d like to be able to see it, in order to really answer this here, in my reply.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> What chapter is that in “<em>The Culture of Critique?</em>”</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Chapter five, yeah.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Chapter five, okay. Let’s scroll down to, because you do your rebuttal basically chapter by chapter, so that makes it a lot to, …</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well almost, he went out-of-order. He’d put three after five. Okay, let’s look at the Frankfurt School.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Here, just while you while you’re scanning that, to see what you want to highlight, I just want to bring to attention Nathan’s response to your rebuttal. So Nathan shared with me a draft of his response. He still needs to do more work on it, and he gave me permission to quote from it, but not to share it. So that’s, you know, those of the ground rules that I’m dealing with. And this is Nathan. He’s saying:</p>
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<h3>“That members of the Frankfurt School had a strong reaction to the “Holocaust”, which is hardly surprising, does not mean that they strongly identified as jews, or supported jewish ethnocentrism.”</h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Is this a reply to what I wrote now?</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Yeah, yeah he hasn’t published this as yet, so if you feel that I’m engaging in dirty pool, I won’t, …</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[45:02]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> No. Again, I would like to see what, … I’m scrolling through my own reply here now. Okay I said I do not assume they approve of this behavior simply, because they were jewish. The first part, a strong identification of the jewish principal figures and the group’s most influential work. “<strong><em>The Authoritarian Personality</em></strong>”. Max Horkheimer says “<em>the goal of philosophy is to vindicate jewish history.</em>”</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well<strong>,</strong> what do you think that means! I mean, that is strong Jewish identification! This is more than simply concern about the “<em>Holocaust</em>”, for heaven’s sake! Take Adorno, much of Adorno’s later work may be viewed as reaction to the “<em>Holocaust</em>”<span style="color: #008000;">.</span> But that’s Adorno, I suppose. But he seems to be obsessed with that. But again, he also participated in writing “<em>Dialectic of the Enlightenment</em>”. He’s working on a book funded by the American jewish committee, all about anti-Semitism. So I take that as evidence of a strong jewish identity, absolutely!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay. Let me read two sentences from your rebuttal, and two sentences from Cofnas’ rebuttal of your rebuttal. And just go from there. So Kevin writes:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“There are really two possibilities here about the Frankfurt school. They realized it was a double standard, but didn’t want to publicize that, for the obvious reason that they would be seen as hypocrites. Or, they were deceiving themselves by simply focusing on White ethnocentrism as pathological, while blocking out any thought about how this presents an intellectual inconsistency i.e., self-deception.”</span></h3>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong> </strong></span></p>
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<p>Now this is Nathan’s response:</p>
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<h3>“There is a third possibility. Members of the Frankfurt School opposed ethnocentrism for both jews and Gentiles alike. This third possibility seems especially plausible given that MacDonald has no positive evidence for the first two possibilities, besides the fact that the “Holocaust” loomed large for the Franklin School, which is irrelevant.”</h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> But that is a total gloss on what I’m saying! Good heavens! I mean, I just read you about Max Horkheimer, you know, and the fact that the whole thing is concerned, that the “<em>Authoritarian Personality</em>” is so obsessed with anti-semitism. So to me that’s obvious that they are strongly identified as jews. I just can’t even imagine that they aren’t.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Yeah. When you said that they’re obsessed with anti-semitism, is it possible that they were equally obsessed with anti-racism?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well they certainly are concerned about racism, as they had the ethnocentrism scale, it doesn’t explicitly mention jews. And that is interesting. I think that in general jews have seen a strong correlation, which is the case. And I think it’s a basic idea of the “<em>Authoritarian Personality</em>” is that if you don’t like blacks tb you probably won’t like jews. And so they go together.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> But it’s also, is it also possible that they cared as much about blacks as they cared about Jews?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well, they might have, but, you know, again they’re doing this in my opinion, and I don’t see anything to rebut that, they’re doing this, because they see, because of their jewish identity. And they may well feel strongly about blacks, or something like that, but I do think that they, … and I do think that, some more stuff. The idea that they see a jewish future. They don’t think that the jews are going to stop. That jewish ethnocentrism, and really what it takes is jewish identity, to maintain a jewish future, I don’t think they‘re not opposed to that. And, you know, the group continuity. Well what else is it really? That’s really what it amounts to among jews.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> From an Orthodox perspective the Frankfurt School jews are a bunch of jewish goyim who eat bacon and, you know, we feel nothing in common with them. And, you know, we basically loathe them! How does how does Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy, you know, analyze the other repugnance that Orthodox jews feel for jews like the Frankfurt School?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well, yeah. I mean, there again there are divergences within the jewish community. There always had been, there always will be.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What you have to do is look at were the influence lies. These Orthodox jews did not do anything about the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School were very influential. And so that’s all I’m trying to do in “<em>Culture of Critique</em>”.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">To show that these movements were created by strongly identified jews, and they were successful. Now the fact that some jews didn’t like that, or don’t like Frankfurt school, or people that eat bacon, or something like that, it’s irrelevant to that, really.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[51:02]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> So you mentioned in the paper that you’re not going to respond to Nathan’s ad hominem attacks. And I just want to read a few sentences here from Nathan. He says:</p>
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<h3>“I never made any ad hominem attacks against Kevin MacDonald. My paper does not call him, or his theory anti-semitic, nor does it attribute nefarious motivations to him. However in this reply, it is MacDonald who makes an ad hominem attack against me. He suggests, …”</h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Where’s that?</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay:</p>
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<h3>“He suggests that I am motivated to criticize him, because of my jewish ethnicity. As Kevin says, one suspects that Cofnas had a foregone conclusion about “Culture of Critique’s” value. What psychologists term “motivated cognition” which as I attempt to demonstrate was characteristic of the jewish intellectuals reviewing “Culture of Critique” like the hyper purist discussed in several places in “Culture of Critique” he was looking for ways to condemn research he didn’t like of deeper reason.”</h3>
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<p>So were you were you arguing here in your rebuttal that Cofnas was motivated to criticize you and denounce you, because Cofnas is jewish?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well, yeah, I mean, I you want to call that “<em>ad hominem</em>”. What I’m saying is that I think it’s motivated, I think it’s strongly motivated. What I resented was him calling me incompetent. What I resented was saying I was full of misrepresentations. False! That I was cherry-picking right and left. False! I mean, he was saying all kind of things that we’re just really disrespectful! And just trying to make me out to be some kind of an idiot! And I just really resented the tone of this thing, to tell you the truth!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I had one sentence at the end where I where I suggested that he’s motivated by his ethnicity, which is the case. I suggested, I didn’t, you know, say<span style="color: #008000;">  </span>it was some kind of a knockdown argument, obviously. But he did not engage any of the basic ideas. Come on! What are you doing? And he thinks he’s refuted me? Come on, it’s ridiculous!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> You knew “<em>The Culture of Critique</em>” was incendiary, so what sort of reaction did you expect of the book?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well I didn’t know. I thought that maybe I would get condemned, or get bad reviews, or something. But what was interesting was, nothing happened. And so I think Cofnas mentioned Frank Salter’s review, and that was about it. And yeah, so obviously it was quite different with the first two books, especially the first book. It got positive reviews and everything. I mean, it was a surprise. I didn’t know quite what to expect but then it pretty obvious there was going to be silence.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Yeah. Now you write in your rebuttal:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I began to see myself as having a dog in this fight.”</span></h3>
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<p>Once you worked on your immigration chapter of “<strong><em>The Culture of Critique</em></strong>”.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong></p>
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<h3>“and what was happening was from an evolutionary perspective, a disaster of the White people of the West! Ethnic displacement is like reducing an extended family, or other lineages. It is a drastic loss of fitness as Frank Salter has shown. Really no different from displacement of one subspecies, or species, …”</h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> That is just a typo there.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong></p>
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<h3>“… this is natural selection in action, though it’s hard to call the process natural, because it’s a consciously engineered process”</h3>
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<p>So this is Nathan’s response:</p>
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<h3>“Later in this reply MacDonald argues that some jews, such as Alan Dershowitz, support multiracial immigration to advance jewish interests as they understand them. But here he acknowledges the obvious point that multiracial immigration to a country which he equates with ethnic displacement, opposes the ethnic interest of the majority inhabitants of the country.”</h3>
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<p>So were you inconsistent here?</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>[55:10]</strong></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> What do you mean? How my interests are what?</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay, so in your rebuttal you make the point that ethnic displacement is reducing, is like reducing an extended family.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yes.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay. So when Alan Dershowitz supports multiracial immigration to Israel, to advance jewish interests, as he understands that. This multiracial immigration is the same sort of ethnic displacement that you would decrying in the West.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well, yeah absolutely! And the response to that is simply again, there are differences of opinion among jews! You have to look at where the power is! And Alan Dershowitz does not have any power over Israeli immigration policy, pretty obviously! Because right now Israel is expelling Africans right and left. And they are very strong, you know, restrictions on who can come into Israel. So, I don’t care.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">You know, there are a lot of reasons why Alan Dershowitz might have those opinions. And I mentioned that in my reply. He may think that, well it’s good PR, you know, that Israel still depends on the West, we can’t have this image of being racist. We can’t have this image that Judaism is all about genetics. And he might even think that it’s, you know, crazy in the long run! All right, and the other thing he may well think, well 2% is no big deal! I mentioned that. So I don’t know what his motives are, but it doesn’t matter!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The point is that Israeli policy is to create and maintain and ethno-state and they are succeeding at that! Admitting 2% of Ethiopians, or something like that, it’s not going to change that. And as also said, the Ethiopians are on the fringes of society over there. They are not being integrated. A lot of Israelis hate that. And some religious authorities think they’re not even really jewish. Well it’s not exactly a warm welcome!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And, you know, again what matters is where the power is! Not, you know, counting heads, like even famous heads like, Chomsky, or Dershowitz, or something like that, to see where the power is. It’s empirical, you know. It’s not like I <span style="color: #008000;"> </span>have a theory of what all jews do every time! You know, the theory is descriptive, to see where the power is. Whether it’s an influential intellectual movement like psychoanalysis, or the Frankfurt School, or Israeli immigration policy, or jewish influence on immigration policy in America. That’s all I’m trying to do! Yeah I don’t get that the thrust of that argument at all.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay, so I believe that Nathan will publish his rebuttal later this week, but gave me an advance look at a draft,</p>
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<p>So you Kevin write:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I see the jewish community as having important diversity of viewpoint.”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> And Nathan says:</p>
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<h3>“Any reasonable interpretation of MacDonald would clearly put limits on the diversity of viewpoint that we would expect to find among jewish ethnic activists. When jews are over-represented among the leadership of violently opposing movement, for example, the pro-Israel lobby versus Boycott Divest Sanction movement, opponents versus advocates of free speech, this does not fit in any obvious way with MacDonald’s theory.</h3>
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<h3>Should we expect Jews to cluster around those movements that actually advance their group interests? MacDonald claims that jews disagree about how to advance their common ethnic interests and this is why they are often the leaders both of movements and the movements opposition.</h3>
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<h3>This implies that a large percentage of jews not only fail to determine what is in their best interests, but are actively working against those interests by opposing the movement that would actually advanced them. Isn’t jewish over-representation in opposing movements evidence in favor of the default hypothesis?”</h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> No! It’s not! Again, as I said, a minute ago, what we’re looking at is where the power is!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[60:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Jews have different opinions about where, what to do, and so on, and for all I know, you know, at some point the BDS movement may win. But the point is it’s a jewish, if you are correct. I mean, my impression is there may be jewish leadership, but a lot of it’s Palestinian and other people who are really sort of carrying the weight. But in any case, say it is a jewish movement, and you’ve got opposing jewish movements. Fine! And you’ve got opposing jewish religious movements in a sense, you know, their different views and things.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But if you’re looking at say something like American immigration policy, or our policy towards Israel. Does it matter that you’ve got a BDS movement? If the BDS movement can’t influence American foreign policy in the least? Not at all! Doesn’t matter! And they may succeed at some point, so this is gonna change.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[61:01]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">That’s why I say, this is not a predictive theory. I can’t predict where this is going to go. The BDS movement may get powerful enough to sway American companies to change their attitude, and then you have these elites in the United States really pressuring the government to, you know, stop supporting Israel so much. We’ll see what happens! Who knows what will happen? It’s up in the air.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But the point is that you have to look at these movements, see where the power is, and ask yourself is it a jewish movement? Are they advancing their version of jewish interests? Who’s winning and who’s losing? So it’s the same thing with immigration policy. You could, you can find jews who are opposed to immigration, open immigration, certainly.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I talk about Stephen Steinlight in my and my response. He’s a lone figure and it’s hard to fight any a significant jewish group. I can’t think of it. There there are none! But there are few jews who are opposed to open border kind of immigration. Larry Auster was very effective! And at the end of his life, you know, he talked about how jews were so central to the whole thing. To the movement for open borders.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So you have these individual jews and maybe even at some point, I guess FAIR the American, the organization called FAIR. It’s an acronym for immigration reform Federation for American Immigration Reform, or something. At the head of that is a guy named Stein. Okay, that’s nice. But FAIR is not a jewish intellectual movement! <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[chuckling]</strong> </span>it’s headed by a jew and he’s not even typical of the jewish community by any means.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So we’ll see! At some point, you know, I know I also made a note of that. Jews had to make change on immigration. In the UK I can certainly understand why they would. You got someone like Pamela Geller, you know, she can’t stand Muslims! And, you know, the reason is because, you know, she’s very strong identified jew. She does not want Muslims in these European countries! She thinks it’s a disaster for Jews. And I think she’s probably right. And what you see in the UK is that Muslims are getting more and more power, you know, especially with the Labour Party. They have been called anti-semitic, and this and that and everything else. But the reason is, because Muslims are a significant force now for labor.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What you see is sort of like in America where the Labor Party is losing the support of White Britons. They are going for the Conservative Party, and the Labour Party is getting more non-White. So Jeremy Corbyn is very anti-Israel, or at least very critical of Israel. I don’t know his exact position. But we’ll see what happens. We have to see who is good at winning and then is this a jewish movement and are they successful?</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> I’m probably repeating myself here, but I’m gonna risk looking stupid. You said that your theory of Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy does not have predictive power, or value then what is the value if it isn’t if it doesn’t help, you know, either predict the future, or to better understand patterns in the past?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well I think we better understand things, absolutely! I mean, you talk about the default hypothesis. Well it’s a vast improvement on the default hypothesis if you can show that these movements were fundamentally motivated by jewish interests and jewish identity. And that’s a fundamental advance over the default hypothesis.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[65:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But it’s not predictive. How could it be? I mean, I talk about that explicitly in the article. I say so sort of like predicting the weather in Los Angeles in ten years on September 9th! You know, I mean, that’s ridiculous! They can’t do that, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a weather science. And so when you describe things and try to understand how they happen, that’s all historians ever try to do, I’m embedding mine ultimately in evolutionary psychology, of evolutionary biology.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So it’s a little different from standard history. But historians don’t really try to predict the future. They try to explain the past. What causes what, and I’m happy to just say leave it at that. That’s enough of an accomplishment.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I can’t keep going for too much longer, because my wife, …</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay! Okay. So I’ll tell you what, I’ll just read a final point by Nathan.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ford:</strong> And you can say “<em>I’ve already answered that</em>”, whatever.</p>
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<p>So you wrote:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Jewish support for any particular idea, or cause will be sensitive to each generations perceived interest, given changing circumstances. Cofnas has a static ahistorical conception of jewish interests.”</span></h3>
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<p>And Nathan responds:</p>
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<h3>“The examples of jewish disagreement that I give are not comparing jews in different historical periods, but comparing jews in the same periods. We cannot explain these disagreements by appealing to the fact that historical circumstances change and call for different strategies.”</h3>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Well there are several times in his review that he acts as if Zionism is sort of an essential. You know, that Jewish strategy is essential to being jewish. That’s ridiculous!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean, his criticism on Freud, he says something like, what was it, he said Freud in 1929, there was a riot in Jerusalem, and Freud would not sign a petition, or something like that. They just sort of put it on the Arabs. And so that meant that Freud was not much of an ethnic activist, or you didn’t care about jewish interests.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">But again not all people, especially 1929, would have seen it that way. And even if you’re a Zionist, someone like Philip Weiss is a Zionist, in a way. He’s critical of Israel but he’s not like he’s he wants Israel to stop being Israel! He wants it to soften. And Freud may have been the same way.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">As I said, about Freud motives, well he may have thought that, you know, you talked about the fanaticism of our people. Well sometimes yeah you can blame your own people for getting out of control a little bit. It’s a bad strategy! You know, zionists have pursued a lot of different strategies in the early years, and still does.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And you don’t have to agree with all of them. And maybe they thought that what happened there in Jerusalem was part of the jews fault, and that we shouldn’t do that. So he’s not going to sign this petition. Doesn’t mean he’s not a zionist. It certainly doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a strong jewish identity, a sense of jewish interest. But he’s got his own interpretation!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Again, you have to see where the power is! Where the influence is! Where, who’s running the show! I when it comes to influencing US foreign policy it’s AIPAC. It’s neocon! It’s sympathetic jews like Haim Sabin for the Democratic Party. They’re the ones that are pulling the weight, and they’re strong identified as jews. They have a strong sense of what Israeli interests are. And jewish interests are supporting Israel. They’re right now in the driver’s seat, aren’t they? Well, then that may change. And I can’t predict the future.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Ford:</strong> Well okay. Thank you Kevin! I hope you feel that I treated you fairly. I mean, we’ve done a lot, …</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Yeah I didn’t expect this, but it’s really good to get it out.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay, thank you so much for your time Kevin. I really appreciate it.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>MacDonald:</strong> Thank you, I enjoyed it myself. Thank you.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Ford:</strong> Okay. Take care. Bye bye. So that was Kevin MacDonald the retired psychology professor and author of “<em>The Culture of Critique</em>” series, a jewish trilogy did and we’re dealing with the Nathan Cofnas critique of the Kevin MacDonald book, “<em>The Culture of Critique</em>”. And I invited Nathan Cofnas to come on the show, after checking with Kevin MacDonald. And Kevin MacDonald was absolutely fine with me inviting Nathan Cofnas on the show. But due to the time zone that Nathan Cofnas is in right now, this just did not work for him.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">But Nathan did share with me a draft of his rebuttal to Kevin MacDonald’s rebuttal. And I’m not allowed to share this draft, but I am allowed to quote from it. So I’m gonna read a little of Kevin MacDonald and then I’m gonna read from Nathan Cofnas’ critique. And obviously I am a convert to Orthodox Judaism. I have a dog in this fight. I prefer positive explanations of jewish history and jewish behavior rather than negative ones.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[70:45]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Nathan Cofnas, who appeared later in the Hangout. <strong><br />
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<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Note: The hangout continued for another couple of hours with Cofnas appearing around the 138 minute mark.]</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Here, Canadian Prof. Phillipe J. Rushton at the Amren Conference 2000, reports on his travels to South Africa to find out for himself whether studies showing that Africans have an average IQ of 70, is true or not.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">The very idea that there are differences in intelligence between the races has been made into a taboo topic by organized jewry, turning commonsense on its head and forcing people to believe nonsense about “<em>racial equality</em>”. One main purposes why organized jewry pushes this propaganda lie about the “<em>equality of races</em>” is to remove objections from White people to the flooding of their society with masses of low IQ blacks and browns. This is why rare academics, like Rushton, who tell the truth about racial differences are vilified in our jewish controlled media — KATANA.]</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">An except from Prof. J. Philippe Rushton’s speech given at the <strong>Fourth American Renaissance Conferenc</strong>e in 2000.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Ranging from original IQ testing in the classrooms of South African universities to the study of anatomy, Rushton once more details racial differences and explains why they are important. His latest research supports the findings that the average African IQ is 70.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Do Africans Really<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Published on Apr 14, 2013</strong></p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">TRANSCRIPT</span></h1>
<p style="text-align: center;">(12:25 mins)</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2656-Phillip-Rushton-at-Amren-2000.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21529" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2656-Phillip-Rushton-at-Amren-2000.jpg" alt="" width="865" height="715" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2656-Phillip-Rushton-at-Amren-2000.jpg 865w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2656-Phillip-Rushton-at-Amren-2000-300x248.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2656-Phillip-Rushton-at-Amren-2000-768x635.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 865px) 100vw, 865px" /></a></p>
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<p>Thank you very much. It’s a pleasure to be here again. The first slide is actually a postcard from South Africa, which I was very fortunate to be able to visit, about a year and a half ago. The New South Africa. It is a fascinating country. When you arrive in Johannesburg, as I did, you see a very modern skyline. In fact, it’s very undifferentiated from any American city, or Canadian city.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2657-slide-of-Johannesberg.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21530" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2657-slide-of-Johannesberg.jpg" alt="" width="856" height="709" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2657-slide-of-Johannesberg.jpg 856w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2657-slide-of-Johannesberg-300x248.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2657-slide-of-Johannesberg-768x636.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 856px) 100vw, 856px" /></a></p>
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<p>The roads are big super highways and the motor cars are modern. Even the people on the streets and driving the cars, for the most part are indistinguishable from North America.</p>
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<p>On the other hand, South Africa is a city of, a country of contrasts, and there’s a great deal of traditional society as well.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2658-traditional-Africans-at-a-market.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21531" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2658-traditional-Africans-at-a-market.jpg" alt="" width="958" height="714" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2658-traditional-Africans-at-a-market.jpg 958w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2658-traditional-Africans-at-a-market-300x224.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2658-traditional-Africans-at-a-market-768x572.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 958px) 100vw, 958px" /></a></p>
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<p>And the reason I was in South Africa, is, because of this particular chart which summarizes IQ scores that Professor Richard Lynn alluded to in his talk, based on his review, which was published in 1991.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2694-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores-Asians-Whites-US-blacks-African.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21542" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2694-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores-Asians-Whites-US-blacks-African.jpg" alt="" width="751" height="829" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2694-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores-Asians-Whites-US-blacks-African.jpg 751w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2694-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores-Asians-Whites-US-blacks-African-272x300.jpg 272w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 751px) 100vw, 751px" /></a></p>
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<p>East Asians, both here in the United States and Canada, as well as in their home continents, as Chinese, Japanese and Koreans, average a slightly higher IQ than do White people. Now the average I have there is 106. Sometimes you see the average a little bit lower, around 103. Whites average about 100. A few estimates may place it a little bit higher and say 103. Black Americans average about 85. And again blacks in Canada, or Britain, or in the Caribbean, average around 85, to maybe slightly higher, up as high as 90.</p>
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<p>But is the very far bar on that graph which has excited a lot of controversy, the IQ of 70. Because an IQ of 70 is the lowest IQ ever found in the world. And it’s based on twenty to thirty different studies from East, South, West and Central Africa.</p>
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<p>And it really doesn’t seem to change, even if you select the population to be studied from people in primary school, people who have got jobs, people in urban centers. In other words, samples that might be thought to have a slightly higher IQ. The average of 70 to maybe 75 consistently comes out.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2703-Book-The-Bell-Curve.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21543" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2703-Book-The-Bell-Curve.jpg" alt="" width="1173" height="746" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2703-Book-The-Bell-Curve.jpg 1173w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2703-Book-The-Bell-Curve-300x191.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2703-Book-The-Bell-Curve-768x488.jpg 768w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2703-Book-The-Bell-Curve-1024x651.jpg 1024w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1173px) 100vw, 1173px" /></a></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Add. Image] The Bell Curve and its authors, Murray and Herrnstein.</span></p>
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<p>When “<strong><em>The Bell Curve</em></strong>” was published in 1994 this really elevated Richard Lynn’s review to international appraisal. And a lot of people in the United States were outraged! And very, very critical!</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2707-Black-and-White-IQ-Distribution-in-America.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21544" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2707-Black-and-White-IQ-Distribution-in-America.jpg" alt="" width="1032" height="815" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2707-Black-and-White-IQ-Distribution-in-America.jpg 1032w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2707-Black-and-White-IQ-Distribution-in-America-300x237.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2707-Black-and-White-IQ-Distribution-in-America-768x607.jpg 768w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2707-Black-and-White-IQ-Distribution-in-America-1024x809.jpg 1024w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1032px) 100vw, 1032px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Add. Image] The Black and White IQ distributions in America in the NLSY study, as per The Bell Curve.</span></p>
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<p>In fact, they trashed “<strong><em>The Bell Curve</em></strong>” and my own book, partly, because we discussed as a serious piece of data, the average IQ of 70. Indeed, some members who of the academic community who were in favor of “<strong><em>The Bell Curve</em></strong>” decided that this was an embarrassment to their perspective. They actually argued something like:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“Look, perhaps within the academic and intelligentsia circles of America, with &#8216;<strong>The Bell Curve</strong>&#8216; behind us, we just might be able to convince people that IQ is a predictive variable. That it’s partly heritable, that there is a black White difference for whatever reason. But how on earth are we ever going to make headway when there are these extremists, like Richard Lynn and Phil Rushton, &#8230;”</p></blockquote>
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<p>And depending on which side they got out of the bed that morning:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“&#8230; Charles Murray and Arthur Jensen, who actually take this seriously, that the Africans have an IQ as low as 70 to 75?”</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2691-closeup-of-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21539" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2691-closeup-of-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores.jpg" alt="" width="720" height="763" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2691-closeup-of-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores.jpg 720w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2691-closeup-of-Bar-Chart-Averages-in-IQ-Scores-283x300.jpg 283w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px" /></a></p>
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<p>I should put it into context. If White people in Canada, or the United States have an IQ of 70, this is considered borderline mentally retarded. So, to label an entire continent as having an average IQ of 70, in which case fifty percent of the African population fall below an IQ of 70, fifty percent of the African continent by White standards is mentally retarded, is the sort of “<em>preposterous sounding</em>” rhetoric that academics have to face.</p>
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<p>So, what’s the cause of that IQ of 70? Can it be real, or is it somehow false?</p>
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<p>So I went to South Africa essentially in search of a high IQ African population. I decided I really needed for my own sake to at least satisfy myself, as to what the true, well, what the true African IQ score was. Had Richard Lynn underestimated the African IQ?</p>
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<p>So I searched for a top university within Johannesburg.*</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2661-Outside-Johannesberg-Unniversity.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21532" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2661-Outside-Johannesberg-Unniversity.jpg" alt="" width="886" height="713" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2661-Outside-Johannesberg-Unniversity.jpg 886w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2661-Outside-Johannesberg-Unniversity-300x241.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2661-Outside-Johannesberg-Unniversity-768x618.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 886px) 100vw, 886px" /></a></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, is a multi-campus South African public research university situated in the northern areas of central Johannesburg. It is more commonly known as Wits University. The university has its roots in the mining industry, as do Johannesburg and the Witwatersrand in general. Founded in 1896 as the South African School of Mines in Kimberley, it is the third oldest South African university in continuous operation, after the University of Cape Town (founded in 1829), and Stellenbosch University (founded in 1866).</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;"><strong>Source</strong>: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Witwatersrand]</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-Uni-of-Witwatersrand-Johannesburg-Great-Hall-entrance-2.jpeg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21545" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-Uni-of-Witwatersrand-Johannesburg-Great-Hall-entrance-2.jpeg" alt="" width="1280" height="720" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-Uni-of-Witwatersrand-Johannesburg-Great-Hall-entrance-2.jpeg 1280w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-Uni-of-Witwatersrand-Johannesburg-Great-Hall-entrance-2-300x169.jpeg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-Uni-of-Witwatersrand-Johannesburg-Great-Hall-entrance-2-768x432.jpeg 768w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-Uni-of-Witwatersrand-Johannesburg-Great-Hall-entrance-2-1024x576.jpeg 1024w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1280px) 100vw, 1280px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Add. Image] The Great Hall of the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg.</span></p>
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<p>Some of my colleagues were arguing in saying:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“Look, we know there are many top African students at Harvard and Berkeley and Stanford, or Oxford and Cambridge in England, or even at top-notch universities in South Africa. Boy, if you could only test their IQ’s, you’d find that they were just as bright, or almost as bright as the genius level physicists in North America.”</p></blockquote>
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<p>So I went to South Africa to look for a high IQ group.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2664-Phillipe-Rushton-at-podium-at-Amrem-2000.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21535" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2664-Phillipe-Rushton-at-podium-at-Amrem-2000.jpg" alt="" width="843" height="712" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2664-Phillipe-Rushton-at-podium-at-Amrem-2000.jpg 843w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2664-Phillipe-Rushton-at-podium-at-Amrem-2000-300x253.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2664-Phillipe-Rushton-at-podium-at-Amrem-2000-768x649.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 843px) 100vw, 843px" /></a></p>
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<p>I teamed up with a group of people who shall still remain anonymous until the article is actually published in about three months time. We had Africans and Cape coloreds as well as our assistants for those who actually do these tests, and so on. It’s sometimes considered that test takers need to be tested by members of their own race, and so on. We can have the next one [slide].</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2662-Assistants-for-IQ-test.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21533" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2662-Assistants-for-IQ-test.jpg" alt="" width="868" height="717" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2662-Assistants-for-IQ-test.jpg 868w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2662-Assistants-for-IQ-test-300x248.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2662-Assistants-for-IQ-test-768x634.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 868px) 100vw, 868px" /></a></p>
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<p>I went to South Africa myself, rather than let my collaborators collect the data, because I was very concerned that perhaps all the other IQ tests that had been given, had being given under very poor conditions. And I wanted to absolutely standardize the conditions and satisfy for myself, as well as I possibly could, the integrity of the testing.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2663-backs-of-students-taking-IQ-test.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21534" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2663-backs-of-students-taking-IQ-test.jpg" alt="" width="929" height="711" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2663-backs-of-students-taking-IQ-test.jpg 929w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2663-backs-of-students-taking-IQ-test-300x230.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2663-backs-of-students-taking-IQ-test-768x588.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 929px) 100vw, 929px" /></a></p>
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<p>What we did, we had 300 first year undergraduate psychology students. Half of whom were black and half of whom were White. And we paid them 10 US dollars for taking part. And we had a huge exam hall, so they couldn’t possibly read each other’s answers. It was proctored, monitored by five of our assistants. I myself prowled up and down these rows looking and making sure that everybody did the test studiously. We gave clear instructions that this was a very, very simple test, which I’m going to describe in a minute.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2665-front-of-students-taking-IQ-test.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21536" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2665-front-of-students-taking-IQ-test.jpg" alt="" width="941" height="712" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2665-front-of-students-taking-IQ-test.jpg 941w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2665-front-of-students-taking-IQ-test-300x227.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2665-front-of-students-taking-IQ-test-768x581.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 941px) 100vw, 941px" /></a></p>
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<p>But most people finish it within twenty minutes., but we said you could not leave your seat, in fact, for the first thirty minutes. We figured this would ensure that people didn’t just slapdash out their answers and collect their ten dollars and leave. They may as will stay there and do the answers. But, in fact, it wasn’t even timed. We said you could stay there for an hour and a half and finish the test if you wanted to double-check and quadruple check your answers. So it was a stress [free], it was a perfect testing condition that I can imagine.</p>
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<p>Would you go to the next one<span style="color: #008000;"> [slide]</span>.</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2688-Simple-example-of-IQ-test.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21537" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2688-Simple-example-of-IQ-test.jpg" alt="" width="636" height="634" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2688-Simple-example-of-IQ-test.jpg 636w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2688-Simple-example-of-IQ-test-150x150.jpg 150w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2688-Simple-example-of-IQ-test-300x300.jpg 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 636px) 100vw, 636px" /></a></p>
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<p>This is one of the tests. It’s a very well-known <strong>Raven’s Progress of Matrices</strong>. It’s nonverbal, so you don’t even have to use language to explain it. And what you have to do essentially, is to pick from the array of answers at the bottom, the piece that is missing from the top. And if you examine the top there, you can see that there’s a circle with a couple of lines which goes into a circle with a full line, and there’s a square with a couple of lines and you’re looking for what does it turn into. And you look around the bottom then you’ll see that there is, in fact, a square with a full half bottom and that’s the correct answer. Which is number six I believe.</p>
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<p>What?<span style="color: #008000;"> [laughing]</span> It is number six, is the correct answer.</p>
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<p>Well, the White university students get 90% of this particular item correct. The African students, 77% of them, get it correct. So there’s no question that it’s a very, very easy item for the vast majority of Africans. They know what is expected of them and they answer the question. It’s just that more of them fail this particular item than do the Whites.</p>
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<p>Can I have the next one <span style="color: #008000;">[slide].</span></p>
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<p>Now this is a much more complicated one. So avert your eyes if you didn’t do well in the last one <span style="color: #008000;">[laughter from the audience]</span>.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21549" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1.jpg" alt="" width="635" height="634" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1.jpg 635w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1-150x150.jpg 150w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1-300x300.jpg 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 635px) 100vw, 635px" /></a></p>
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<p>You now have to choose from an array of eight at the bottom and the whole test is much more difficult., but if you examine, &#8230; If you go down the left hand column, for example, of answers, you’ll see that you’ve got three kinds of symbols. You’ve got a diagonal, you’ve got a vertical line, you’ve got a vertical and horizontal, and you got a horizontal line. And so in each of these columns you’re looking for a horizontal, a vertical and a cross. And so what’s missing in the bottom?</p>
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<p>And then the clue you’re looking for is the background, you know, do you have a plain background, or do you have a lattice-work, or do you have crossed lattice-work, and so you combine them and eventually you figure it out.</p>
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<p>And don’t forget you have a whole minute and a half to do this single item.</p>
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<p>Anyway this is another one of the more complicated items and about 88% of Whites pass it, and just under 70% of blacks pass it.</p>
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<p>Maybe we will go to the next one<span style="color: #008000;"> [slide].</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Audience noise getting louder]</span> D8! Do you want to put it back on? I didn’t realize.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21549" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1.jpg" alt="" width="635" height="634" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1.jpg 635w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1-150x150.jpg 150w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2689-Harder-example-of-IQ-test-1-300x300.jpg 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 635px) 100vw, 635px" /></a></p>
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<p>Was it number one? Oh, it’s number one! D8 is the item number. <span style="color: #008000;">[laughter]</span> Number one is the correct answer, I’m informed.</p>
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<p>Okay, these are the results.</p>
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<p>There were 60 of those items all together. And they started off very, very easy. The two you saw were, medium to high, in difficulty. These are the answers. These are the bell-shaped curve that you often see. They’re not smoothed and so they don’t look quite like the bell curves.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2692-African-and-White-University-Students-Scores-on-Matrices-Test.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21540" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2692-African-and-White-University-Students-Scores-on-Matrices-Test.jpg" alt="" width="734" height="1012" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2692-African-and-White-University-Students-Scores-on-Matrices-Test.jpg 734w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2692-African-and-White-University-Students-Scores-on-Matrices-Test-218x300.jpg 218w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 734px) 100vw, 734px" /></a></p>
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<p>But the African scores peaked considerably lower down, than do the White scores. In fact, the average Africans get 44 out of 60 correct. Whereas the Whites got 54 out of 60 correct.</p>
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<p>Now, 44 out of 60 correct is roughly, according to the norms of the test, what a fourteen year old Junior High school student in America gets. And these<span style="color: #008000;"> [African students]</span> are first year university students.</p>
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<p>Putting it into an IQ context, getting 44 out of 60 correct is an IQ of 84.</p>
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<p>And IQ of 84 is substantially higher, it’s about a standard deviation higher than an IQ of 70, which is the <span style="color: #008000;">[average IQ for the]</span> African population. But it implies that since most university students are one standard deviation higher than the average, and the university students have 84, then the average for the South African population as a whole, must be about 70!</p>
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<p><strong>And therefore this search for a high IQ population supported Richard Lynn’s review of all the previous literature, showing an IQ of 70.</strong></p>
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<p>Below are the original slides that were not used above due to their poor quality.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2693-Rushtons-slides.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21541" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2693-Rushtons-slides.jpg" alt="" width="748" height="712" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2693-Rushtons-slides.jpg 748w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-2693-Rushtons-slides-300x286.jpg 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 748px) 100vw, 748px" /></a></p>
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<p>The average IQs of the world&#8217;s indigenous peoples (click image to enlarge):</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-The-IQ-of-the-Worlds-Indigenous-Peoples.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21551" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-The-IQ-of-the-Worlds-Indigenous-Peoples.jpg" alt="" width="1128" height="801" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-The-IQ-of-the-Worlds-Indigenous-Peoples.jpg 1128w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-The-IQ-of-the-Worlds-Indigenous-Peoples-300x213.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-The-IQ-of-the-Worlds-Indigenous-Peoples-768x545.jpg 768w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/African-IQ-of-70-The-IQ-of-the-Worlds-Indigenous-Peoples-1024x727.jpg 1024w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1128px) 100vw, 1128px" /></a></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/2014/05/11/how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners/" rel="next">How Africans May Differ from Westerners</a></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/2014/05/25/a-blind-eye-to-murder-of-whites-in-south-africa/" rel="bookmark">A Blind Eye to Murder of Whites in South Africa</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#160; &#160; [In this friendly interview, Lana Lektoff from Red Ice (Radio 3Fourteen) talks with Arthur Kemp on the past, present and future of White people. Kemp has had long involvement in the White “movement” and has written several books on &#8230; <a href="https://katana17.com/2016/05/29/red-ice-lana-lokteff-interviews-arthur-kemp-transcript/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[In this friendly interview, <strong>Lana Lektoff</strong> from <strong>Red Ice</strong> (Radio 3Fourteen) talks with <strong>Arthur Kemp</strong> on the past, present and future of White people. Kemp has had long involvement in the White “<em>movement</em>” and has written several books on the subject.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Although he makes many good observations, I would consider his significant weakness to be his downplaying of the <strong>jewish problem</strong>. His focus is on the symptoms of jewish rule, that is, the deluded liberals who are the outward manifestation of jewish power over the masses through their control of the media, etc.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Also his optimism that Whites will survive is not reassuring as, by “<em>survive</em>” he means that perhaps a  few million will remain after the West crumbles.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">That said, this is a useful interview in that it gives us an insight into the mind of someone who is on our side and well informed on many issues, yet despite years in this movement, still hasn&#8217;t grasped the extent of the <strong>central issue of jewish control</strong> over us  —  <strong>KATANA</strong>.]</span></p>
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<h1><i><span style="color: #0000ff;">of Caucasian Civilization</span></i></h1>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #008000;">https://redice.tv/radio-3fourteen/march-of-the-titans-the-rise-and-fall-of-caucasian-civilization</span></h3>
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<p>Arthur Kemp was born in Southern Rhodesia in 1962. Educated in South Africa, he holds a degree in Political Science, International Politics and Public Administration, having studied at the University of Cape Town and the University of South Africa. He is the owner of Ostara Publications and the author of eleven books, including <b><i>March of the Titans</i></b>:<b><i> The Complete History of the White Race.</i></b></p>
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<p>Arthur joins us for a look at how the aspects of racial homogeneity and racial disillusionment (multiculturalism) have historically contributed to the rise and fall of civilizations.</p>
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<p>We begin by considering the essential questions of what causes culture and what happens when a civilization’s creators vanish. Arthur talks about the misconceptions of early English colonialism and the vastly different process of mass foreign invasion transpiring in the West today.</p>
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<p>He addresses the proclivity of the White race to explore the world and provide humanitarian support to the less fortunate, along with the consequences of these interventions.</p>
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<p>We discuss some logistics of the Out of Africa theory and the role of environment in racial differences, touching on the bureaucratic baloney that thwarts modern day archaeologists from properly investigating tremendous troves of ancient human remains holding clues of Europeans’ origins in the Northern Hemisphere.</p>
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<p>Then, Arthur explains the dire reality of the population replacement events being orchestrated by the West’s rulers, and we deliberate how to wake up the ill-informed masses to their looming extinction.</p>
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<p>Kemp also gives an account of his life in South Africa during the ANC’s takeover, relating the hard fact that demographics ultimately dictate the rules.</p>
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<p>Our conversation rounds off with thoughts on the viability of recruiting quality Europeans to create a great ethnostate and the terrific potential that exists when enough Whites are able to unlearn their self-defeatist programming and abandon the egalitarian fantasies driving their cultures to demise.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana Lokteff: </b>Arthur Kemp I’m delighted and honored to have you here. So, thanks for joining us.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur Kemp: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s a great pleasure Lana. I think you and Red Ice do a great job and I’m very honored to be on your show.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Well it’s refreshing to speak with you, because I’ve actually tried doing a couple White archeology shows with some racialists and it never turns out good! And unfortunately it can come across a little wacky sometimes. I’m sure you’ve come across that too.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Unfortunately, I’ve had more than my fair share of dealing with wacky people, so I know exactly what you’re talking about. But, it doesn’t necessarily have to be. I think what happens a lot of the time, is that people tend to over play what the reality is and sometimes if they’re not not happy with the reality is, they add to it. I think that’s quite common amongst, not only people in this so-called White nationalist movement, but probably everywhere.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yes. But when I mentioned to our listeners that you are coming on, a lot of people responded in, saying how, “<b><i>March of the Titans</i></b>” was a major eye opener for them, and for me, you know, I just love Euro-centric history and archaeology. “<b><i>March of the Titans</i></b>” is a masterful body of work, so I wanted to read a quote to kind of summarize it.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">“<i>Most importantly revealed in this work is the one true cause of the rise and fall of the world’s greatest empires. That all civilizations rise and fall according to their racial homogeneity and nothing else. A nation can survive wars, defeats, catastrophes, but not racial dissolution</i>”</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Aka, diversity, right? So Rome didn’t collapse from debauchery and decadence. So where do you like to begin when approaching the subject with new-comers?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Arthur Kemp’s book, “<strong><em>March of the Titans</em></strong>”.]</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, the very first way to understand it, is to take a step back away from any idea or denigrating other people. That’s probably a very important basis to start with. It’s one of the biggest problems in this so-called movement is that it seems to be based more on putting other people down. You don’t have to put anyone else down. All you have to do is stand back and look at it from a purely objective point of view.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">What causes culture? What causes civilization and how do these things change? Now my basis, whenever anyone asks, “<i>Can you explain what you mean?</i>” I always say, look it’s very simple. Each culture, each civilization is a product of a certain people. So for example, the Chinese people create a Chinese civilization. The Japanese people created Japanese civilization. The Australian Aborigines created Australian Aborigine civilization. And the Europeans created European civilization. Now you don’t have to be subjective about any of them. Of course, we all like to think that our own version is better, but that’s a subjective opinion.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">We can be objective about it. We can say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Yes, the Europeans created European civilization</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">and so on, and so forth. Now if you, and generally everyone will say, yes well that’s obvious. Obviously Europeans created European civilization, obviously Chinese people created Chinese civilization and so on, and so forth. Once you got them to agree with that very basic and very simple fact, then all you do, you say to them:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Well what happens if all the Chinese people vanished tomorrow? What would happen to Chinese civilization?”</i></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, well, probably it would disappear.</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yes, obviously if the Japanese people disappeared tomorrow would anything remain of Japanese civilization? No! If the Australian Aborigines people disappeared tomorrow, would anything remain of their culture and their civilization? No! So therefore, obviously if the European people disappear, nothing will remain of their culture or their civilization. Yes. Everyone will say, “<i>Well, yes, that’s pretty obvious.</i>” Well, there you go. That is the cause of the explanation of the rise and fall of all civilizations.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">If the people who created the civilization disappear, for any reason, whether it be replacement through mass immigration, whether it be through extermination in warfare, or death by disease or whatever, if a founding population disappears that founding population’s culture and civilization will disappear with it. And once you’ve got that particular, and that’s a very basic, it’s not a sort of radical position and there’s almost no one I’ve ever met anywhere in the world that’s been able to disagree with that. </span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Once you’ve got them to understand that basic principle, then all you have to do is show that every great civilization in history, no matter what it’s race, no matter what it’s origin, that every great civilization has vanished once the people who created it vanish. And if you can get that very, very simple, very basic principle, then history stops becoming a jumble of meaningless states and events and you can see a very clear flow in it.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>And you’ve done a beautiful job outlining a lot of these civilizations. Egypt’s the classic one that people like to point to. You also mention, like the Great Depression, or Germany after World War Two, how all these countries have been able to pull themselves up after these events because racially they’re still homogenous, right?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">That’s exactly the point. Germany is actually a good case in point, what you’re talking about, because a lot of people say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, the Roman Empire collapsed because the barbarians sacked Rome in 453 and that was the end of Rome,</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">In actual fact, the Celts sacked Roman in 212 BC, but Rome came back. Rome eventually conquered the Celts that sacked Rome. So you’re absolutely right. People who believe, for example, that a military defeat would be the cause of collapse of an empire, you’re right. You know, eighty percent of Germany was flattened to the ground in 1945 and by 1955, 1960, it was once again the strongest nation in Western Europe.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">If debauchery, or moral degeneracy would be the reason for the collapse of a civilization, then I can assure you, Britain should have collapsed in the 1600s! You look at the debauched histories of the royal families of Britain, and I’m not picking on Britain in particular, but it is a good example. If you look at the murders of of each other, and brothers killing each other, and all sorts of horrible things, moral debauchery should have finished Britain many, many, centuries ago. And of course that didn’t happen. Precisely because, as you said there, as long as a founding population remains in place, the longer it remains the majority population and as long as it remains homogenous, that society will continue to be in existence.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>I know this is nearly impossible to answer, but according to history from what you’ve seen, what or who in these societies begins pushing towards diversity, if you will? Yeah.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yes, now that’s the great question. I know a lot of people say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, it’s the Jews</i>” or, “<i>Oh it’s this</i>” or, “<i>It’s Christianity</i>” or, “<i>it’s this religion</i>” or, “<i>that religion</i>” or, “<i>this belief system</i>”.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">I’m sorry to say, that in almost every case that I can think of, it’s simple ignorance of the long term racial consequences of using foreign labor.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And the example that I always use is, for example, if someone had invented a time machine, which would be great, because if someone had invented a time machine and I could go back to pre Civil War Atlanta in Georgia and fly out there and pick up one of those big cotton plantation owners, who’s got his five hundred negro slaves slaving away in the field, picking it’s cotton, making him and his family a very rich man. Put him in a time machine and take him to Atlanta Georgia in 2016. And drop them off in the middle of Atlanta and say,:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Look here, the direct consequence of you and small number of plantation owners who use black labor is that your great grandchildren cannot walk the streets of Atlanta Georgia. Cannot walk the streets of your state’s capital anymore, because the place is now taken by blacks and it’s now unsafe for White people to walk in the street</i>”.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">I’m quite sure that that plantation owner never dreamed, never wanted in his wildest imagining, never wanted that for his great grandchildren. But he didn’t understand the long term consequences of using foreign labor.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I think this played out in Egypt, has played out in Sumeria. This played out in every great civilization that has fallen, or in South Africa or in Rhodesia. I don’t think they understood the consequences of using it, so it’s easy to blame others, and certainly others do have a role to play, I’m not denying that, but it’s, I’m afraid, the truth which hurts, is that it’s quite often White people themselves.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Which don’t have an understanding of the global, geopolitical, racial consequences of their actions.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Now one thing, you know, the English always get blamed for it’s colonialism and I always say, English colonialism cannot at all be compared to the mass invasion of today. But what are your thoughts on English colonialism, was it wrong?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yes. I’m a firm anti-colonialist. There are two ways to approach colonialism. The colonialism that’s done on a Ragnar Red Beard, “Might is Right” principle, is an immutable law of nature. Almost every colonization process has been probably undertaken on that basis. Just to divert for one second, you do know of course that the first colonisers of anywhere were in fact non-Europeans colonizing Europe?</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yes.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[10:00]</b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s a factual inaccuracy to say that Europeans started the colonization process. In actual fact the first great colonizing invasions were of non-Europeans into Europe. So if anyone should be screaming for reparations it should be the Europeans.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now leaving that aside, if you look at the English colonization process, when, for example, if you going to colonize a place properly and I’m not divorcing it from any moral issues, because I believe there is a moral issue at play here. But, if you’re going to divorce it from a moral issue, the way you colonize a place, is you move in and you push out, you eradicate the native inhabitants and you occupy the territory and you take it over, OK. </span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">A good example of English colonialism that was done this way would have been Australia or the United States of America. They simply pushed the natives, I don’t want to call them the native Americans because they weren’t even native, I want to call them the American Indians. They simply pushed them out through mass immigration and they simply took their lands and they colonized them. They fought them, defeated the Indians and that was it. That’s how America was colonized. That’s how Australia was was colonized.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now in those days, morally, no one thought anything of it, because that’s how all of history had run. I think that we nowadays have a reached stage where all of society has advanced and we can take moral judgments on things.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Say, for example, and it is a great case. The Jews all move into Palestine, beat up the Palestinians, kick the Palestinians out, torture them, oppress them. I think we have a right to say,:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Listen, time has moved on, this is no longer 1700s or 1800s where people could get away with such immoral or morally questionable things as colonizing and beating up the native population.</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And therefore Israel should be criticized for colonizing Palestine at the expense of the Palestinians. Because that’s essentially what they’ve done. They’ve adopted the Ragnar Red Beard approach of driving the Palestinians out.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now that would have, might have been acceptable, in the 1800s or 1700s as the English did in America or Australia, but it’s no longer acceptable in this day and age. Going back to, if you look at English colonization, for example, in where I was born, Rhodesia, or what was then Southern Rhodesia, when I was born there. You look at English colonization there, that was wasn’t done on a on a “<i>might is right</i>” principle. That was done on a White supremacist principle, where small number of Whites moved in and established a government to rule over the many, many more millions, in fact, of blacks.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And now, a White supremacist government, apart from it’s moral questionability, is also doomed to failure, because it ignores the demographic principle which governs all society. Those who make it, and the majority of people in a society determine the nature and direction of that society. And that’s why White supremacism never works. And it’s actually a recipe for failure. Apartheid in South Africa was another system like that. Designed on minority rule over majority population, was guaranteed to fail over the long term. No matter what the short term policy applications were.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, yes we can now, from the advantage of many centuries later, say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Well it wasn’t really fair of the English to colonize North America,</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">or the Germans, or the French who all took part in it, because they all took part in it. </span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">But I think we can now look back and say, “<i>Look ,it was done</i>”, we can draw a line underneath it. We can say we now deal with the reality of the situation as we have it now. And if we adopt the principle that it was wrong for the English to colonize any part of the world, or it was wrong for the Europeans to colonize any part of the world, therefore it is also wrong for the Third World to colonize any part of the world as well. So, if it was wrong for the English to colonize America, but that’s not done, then it is also wrong for the Mexicans to colonize America in this day and age as well. Or it is wrong for Africa to colonize Europe in this day and age, just because Europeans colonized Africa in the 1600 or 1700s.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Now, would you say there’s a difference there between colonialism and exploration because the, you know, White people, we explored, you know, we cataloged plants and animals, we learned so much, right?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Huge! It’s huge difference between exploration and colonization. Absolutely massive! You’re right, absolutely right!</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think that exploring the world was something that Europeans had to do. It’s no coincidence that the Europeans explored the world and no one else did. I think that’s an inherent search for <b><i>xxx</i></b> which is still valid to this very day. And, certainly, but I think, &#8230; As I said to you, I’m not, I’m not going to condemn people for what they did in 1600 or 1700. That was the norm at the time.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s like condemning people for not allowing women to have the vote, you know. Most people, I know there’s some people in the Alt Right who don’t think so, but most people today would not suggest that women shouldn’t have the vote. But, you know, one hundred years ago it was an accepted principle that woman didn’t have the vote. Now one can sit nowadays and moralize on that, or you can say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Well that was the norm of the time. I’m not going to condemn anybody for holding the views which were dominant at that time, but these are the values which we have today.</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so you’re right. I think colonization is morally, &#8230; You can judge colonization only in the morals of the time. You can judge it by today’s morals and standards.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah I suppose the better thing to do, would have been to explore and perhaps help or interact with people who wanted helping or wanted to trade information and learn skills from each other, but then leave afterwards and not settle there for good. Because there’s a difference between having an exchange and permanently living there which creates problems, right?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Correct. And I think the immigration crisis that faces the First World today is the direct product of colonization. Let me explain it to you, this way. And I can explain this to you, because of my own personal experiences in Rhodesia and South Africa.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Before the arrival of the White colonists, the average black reproduction rate, the average black woman would have had maybe, from the time of puberty to the time of whenever they would die, and they died in an early age, in the forties, or something like that. The time from puberty to the time of the cessation of their reproductive life cycle, put it that way, they would have, maybe, twenty pregnancies. But, before the advent of White colonization, of those twenty pregnancies, probably seventeen or eighteen would die, either in pregnancy, or would be stillborn, or would starve to death, or whatever the case was.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So their population numbers were always in proportion to the land’s ability to support their subsistence existence. OK, so along comes Whitey, along comes the White colonist, sometimes with a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other, or sometimes just holding a Bible, or sometimes just holding a gun. But whatever it is, he comes along and he sets up a society and he says:</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Wow! Look at this infant mortality rate. It’s terrible! How can you have infant mortality rate of ninety five percent? We’ve got to fix this! It’s our Christian duty. It’s our moral duty. It’s whatever duty, to do this!”</i></span></p></blockquote>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so, what they do is they bring in hospitals, they bring in schools, they bring in medicine, they bring in education. Now, the black woman is no longer having a 95 percent infant mortality rate, now she has a ten or fifteen percent infant mortality rate. So what happens to the black population? It’s skyrocketing! And that’s what happened in South Africa.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">There’s a good good test, if you look up and you can find it online now days. You can find the 1913 <b><i>Encyclopedia Britannica</i></b>, the famous eleventh edition. It’s the grandest <b><i>Encyclopedia Britannica</i></b> of all time. And you look up there, they have a section there on the Transvaal which was the Boer Republic that was taken over, occupied, militarily occupied by the British during the second Anglo-Boer War. And the British conducted the first census in the Transvaal, in the ZAR. They found, the census figures and I’m speaking speaking under correction, but I’m pretty sure the figures are close to this, that they were just under 300,000 Europeans in the Transvaal. And there were 690,000 Africans in the Transvaal in 1907.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And if you look at the disproportionate population growth between 1907 and say 1990, which is not long. It’s 80 something odd years. If you look at the disproportionate growth you will find that by 1990 there were, I think, 1.2 million Europeans and, I think, in the region of 12 to 14 million Africans. Now the population growth is exclusively due to the introduction of White medicine and White education. Giving them jobs and giving them employment. In other words artificially boosting their population.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now this is happened all over Africa and it’s still going on, all this Doctors Without Borders and Live Aid and, you know, “<i>help the starving Ethiopians</i>”. What happens? Whites go over there and interfere with the natural, nature’s ordering of the population and all of a sudden you’ve got these huge extra populations who are incapable of feeding themselves, incapable of organizing any agriculture, incapable basically of doing anything except breeding more. And whoops! And now they’re pouring into Europe and the same thing’s happening in South and Latin America, as well. That’s why you’ve got the problem in the US where, you know, where all this population from Central and South America, where’s it all coming from? It’s simply they’ve been bred up by White colonialism.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>That’s why we’re always trying to create order everywhere. And I’ve heard with apartheid, one of the things is they were trying to create peace among the tribes, right? Because all the tribes were also killing each other. But that’s one way the population was also staying low, right?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I don’t think intra-tribal warfare killed so many as the disease and starvation. People who aren’t familiar with Africa, or, let me rephrase that, Europeans who aren’t [are] liberals, who aren’t familiar with Africa don’t understand exactly how backward Africa was. Another one of my favorite stories, just here to illustrate this point, is when you read the diaries of Dr Kenneth Livingstone, the great explorer, Livingstone, you know, the guy, Stanley, “<i>Dr. Livingstone, I presume?</i>”, you know, that story?</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1666-Stanley-meets-Livingstone.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26256" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1666-Stanley-meets-Livingstone.jpg" alt="" width="974" height="711" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1666-Stanley-meets-Livingstone.jpg 974w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1666-Stanley-meets-Livingstone-600x438.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1666-Stanley-meets-Livingstone-768x561.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 974px) 100vw, 974px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Stanley meets Dr. Livingstone. Leading an expedition of approximately 200 men, Stanley headed into the interior from the eastern shore of Africa on March 21, 1871. After nearly eight months he found Livingstone in Ujiji, a small village on the shore of Lake Tanganyika on November 10, 1871.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">If you read his diaries, and he describes going into an African village in 1871. So that’s not that long ago, in the grand scheme of things. And he describes, he sees, he’s got a donkey and a cart. He couldn’t use a horse because the horses all died from African horse sickness. He had a donkey, which is somehow resistant to African horse sickness. Anyway, and he describes in this diary so nicely, how he’s driving up into this village of what, 4,000 souls and all the Africans come out and they’re all stark naked because they haven’t got cloths. And they’re all standing on the side of this path, this rudimentary path that he’s coming, trotting up there in his cart and his donkey. And he sees all their heads going round and round and round, like they watching some kind of big Ferris wheel. And he can’t work it out. Why are their heads moving? Maybe it’s some type of tribal greeting, and then he realizes, they’re looking at the wheels on his cart. They’ve never seen the wheel before!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah, I know.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">So you’re dealing with people who, a hundred [odd] years ago, didn’t have the wheel!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, there’s no way they’re going to be resistant to any type of bacteria or any type of medicine, or anything like that at all. So, yeah, tribal warfare played it’s role, but tribal warfare would be a summer activity, it wasn’t a winter activity. They didn’t fight each other during the winter. And let’s be honest, Europeans have a good long history of tribal warfare as well.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yes they do! We do better than anyone else I think. I’ve actually been through Africa and I’ve been to parts of Africa, out in the bush, where I was the first White person a lot of these kids saw. I have photos of that. So, yeah I’d seen firsthand how some of them live and they still have their witch doctors and all kinds of fun stuff.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Oh no, the witch doctors in Birmingham, in England nowadays, you can find, you can look them up in the local newspaper. Dr Ujuubi, to cure impotence, financial trouble and anything else. [laughing] Well, I’m not joking. The Third World moves with them.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Now what about the, “<i>Out of Africa Theory</i>”? Obviously, I know, you’re not a believer of it. I don’t either. But, you know, if we come from Africa, then what’s the problem? Why can’t we be there, right?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, that is true. First of all, there are number of problems with the, “<i>Out of Africa Theory</i>”. I remember having this great discussion with Dr Philip Rushton, once. Sadly he’s passed away, but, because he was a great believer in the, “<i>Out of Africa Theory</i>”. But, the discussion that I had with him on this basis was, number one: That the time periods that we’re talking about, the continents weren’t even formed properly, so you can’t even say out of Africa, really if one is going to believe the continental shifts and drifts and that type of thing.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Secondly, the, “<i>Out of Africa Theory</i>” relies on genetic mutation over a period of between 120,000 and 150,000 years. That’s the most common time period which they say that the great migration out of central Africa came and then branched both into Asia and one group went into Europe and then they mutated out according to their environments, you know, the theory.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now, as I said to Dr Rushton at the time, if this is true, if this is truth, this would imply, in fact, people are walking, right? Because they haven’t got cars, they haven’t got wagons and they haven’t got anything, they’re walking, they’re walking a hell of a long way to get to Europe and to get to Asia. Normal migration periods would take hundreds of years, to cross even a small part of Africa, never mind those huge distances. So we’re actually probably looking at genetic mutation period of maybe half of the time. Maybe 50,000 years, maybe 60,000 years?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[25:24]</b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So what you’re trying to tell me, is that the, “<i>Out of Africa Theory</i>” means that some form of <i>Homo habilis</i>, some form of semi-ape thing, sort of jumped out of the trees, ran across the plains of Africa. Ran, ran into Asia, ran into and over the Alps into Europe and within 50,000 years evolved into Nordics, evolved into Mongoloid racial types, evolved into the various specific racial types that we have today. And I just can’t see it! You know, I just I just cannot see it!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And for me the killer argument against that theory, is, of course, the existence of racial differences. Because that theory relies on a belief that environment causes racial, causes genetic mutations, i.e., Europeans have light skins because they live in the cold north and they need to absorb much more sunlight and that’s how they got light eyes and light hair and I don’t know what else. And that Africans are black because they live in that deep hot, deep, deep south of the southern hemisphere, where it’s very dark and very hot all the time and you don’t need to absorb a lot of vitamin D, and that’s why they got dark skins and all this type of stuff.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">My problem with that theory is that the Asians, the Mongoloids, because I’m generalizing now because they are different subgroups amongst them, as well, but, they all live in the northern hemisphere as well. And if the north-south division theory holds true, which is a critical part of the, “<i>Out of Africa Theory</i>”. If the north-south genetic mutation theory holds true, people living in, all people living in the northern hemisphere should look the same. Because they are subjected to the same environmental influencing.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Right.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Harsh winters, relatively warm, sometimes moderate summers, back into a harsh winter. They should all look [the same], but, of course, they don’t. You’ll find that people living on the same latitude, or longitude, whichever it is [latitude], with the ones that run horizontally across the globe, I can’t even recall which one it is now. I’ve got advanced dementia! You’ll find that people living in the same geographic spread look very different, and if environment was the cause of genetic mutations they would should all look the same.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>But we’ve also had some interesting White people have had interesting migrations. I know some of this is probably, obviously later, but we had European mummies in China, we have White Indians in America, White <b><i>xxx</i></b> of Peru, the Canary Islands, Easter Island, I mean it’s just really all over the place where you see, you know, White civilizations and they have just mysteriously disappeared. But, we seem to have been everywhere one point, but you include a mural in your book of a White prisoner being sacrificed by a <b><i>xxx</i></b> warrior’s. So is it farfetched to say, maybe there have been, you know, White genocides in the past?</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1668-white-prisoner-being-sacrificed-by-Chichen-Itza-warriors.gif"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26258" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1668-white-prisoner-being-sacrificed-by-Chichen-Itza-warriors.gif" alt="" width="904" height="619" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] A mural, reconstructed in life-size showing a white prisoner, with long blond hair, being sacrificed by Chichen Itza warriors.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yes. I’m absolutely convinced of it. Depending on how you define White genocides. For example, the Tarim Basin mummies which is the Indo-European group that got to western China, the Gobi Desert.* They were genocided out, not through physical extermination, but certainly through mixing with the locals, the people of the Tarim Basin to this day speak Turkic**, they don’t speak Chinese. And you can see the actual physical characteristics, it’s clearly a mix between Chinese and European.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* The Tarim mummies are a series of mummies discovered in the Tarim Basin in present-day Xinjiang, China, which date from 1800 BCE to the first centuries BCE. The mummies, particularly the early ones, are frequently associated with the presence of the Indo-European Tocharian languages in the Tarim Basin, although the evidence is not totally conclusive and many centuries separate these mummies from the first attestation of the Tocharian languages in writing. Victor H. Mair&#8217;s team concluded that the mummies are Europoid, likely speakers of Indo-European languages.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>Source:</b><a style="color: #008000;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies%5D">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies]</a></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #008000;">[** The Turkic languages are a language family of at least thirty-five languages, spoken by Turkic peoples from Southeastern Europe and the Mediterranean to Siberia and Western China. The Turkic languages originated in a region spanning Western China to Mongolia from where it expanded to Central Asia and farther west.]</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1667-Map-of-Eurasia-showing-the-location-of-the-Tarim-Basin.gif"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26257" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1667-Map-of-Eurasia-showing-the-location-of-the-Tarim-Basin.gif" alt="" width="772" height="454" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Map of Eurasia showing the location of the Tarim Basin and the areas occupied by cultures associated with the settlement of the Tarim Basin.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now the whole, it’s still very much up for debate and it’s made more difficult by the establishment’s refusal to investigate the full extent of who were the original North and South Americans. The the very basic evidence that we have now, indicates that there were certainly a European presence of some sort. It’s very difficult to say exactly whether that was a dominant presence or whether it was an <b><i>xxx</i></b> presence. There’s certainly more than enough evidence to indicate that this was.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">The Tenochtitlan sacrifice that you’re talking about I think those were probably just Canary Island wash overs who managed to, who were caught in the cross current, the same one that took Columbus to that part of the world, and they ended up in what is today modern Mexico. And they probably got sacrificed for their trouble.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[30:07]</b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">I’m not sure one can go as far as saying that those were huge numbers of Whites who were genocided. But, as I said, all that’s speculation. We don’t know if one day, perhaps, there is a reordering of governments in society which will allow proper investigation of these things, which will allow proper analysis of ancient remains in North America and Central America. Which as I’m sure, you know, is currently forbidden by law. The law which George Bush brought in forbidding anyone except Indian, American Indians, from claiming ancient remains on the presumption that they are Mongoloid origin.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">If that gets reversed and we’re able to start doing, for example, what I’d really love to do, what would really be interesting, for example, would be to investigate the graves around the Nevada cliff dwellings.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Oh yeah.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">That would be really interesting to have a look at the skeletal and find out what DNA we could extract from the tooth enamel of graves in that area. Because the Nevada cliff dwellings, for example, are so un-Indian, that it simply isn’t true. They are particularly European looking cliff dwellings and they’re just not replicated anywhere else in the entire North American continent. So, that would indicate that they that was built by people different from the American Indians. But until the political climate changes, I don’t think we’re going to have to make any final call on that.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1669-Cliff-Palace-Mesa-Verdes-largest-cliff-dwelling.gif"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26259" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1669-Cliff-Palace-Mesa-Verdes-largest-cliff-dwelling.gif" alt="" width="798" height="589" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Cliff Palace, Mesa Verde&#8217;s largest cliff dwelling.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>And that’s unfortunate. I want to go back to an idea, we were talking about colonizers. Now, in your opinion, you know, we always hear that Europeans, they were also fleeing to find better conditions. So was it wrong for them to abandon Europe and go somewhere else? Should they have stayed there and fought hard for their continent?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, [during] the Age of Exploration and the Age of Colonization, Europe wasn’t under a direct threat at that stage of the game. The great non-European invasions had all be more or less defeated by the time of the Age of Exploration and the Age of Colonization. And yes, you can see, for example, it’s no coincidence that Christopher Columbus was sent off to discover the Americas, he didn’t know he was discovering the Americas, of course, but he was sent off across the Atlantic in the same year that the Moors were finally driven out of Spain, 1492. And that’s not a coincidence. The Turks being the Ottomans, the Muslims had been defeated at the gates of Vienna in 1683, and they were being pushed back all the time. So it’s no coincidence that the European colonization process started once the great non European invasions of Europe had been defeated and turned back and were being driven back.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, I don’t think it’s accurate to say that that they were fleeing anything. It was just the natural European inquisitiveness. They knew where India was and they were looking for a better place to, or quicker way to get to India. And probably more of an economic motivation. If anybody did flee Europe, it was probably to escape Feudalism. Probably for economic reasons. You know, most of the early homesteaders who came to the US, unless you were born into privilege and wealth in Europe, you basically had no chance of acquiring land or property of your own. In this regard, I’m reminded of what Thomas Jefferson wrote about, he warned America are about building cities and he said, very famous quote, he said:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>No we can’t build cities because we will soon become as heaped up with each, upon each other, and become as corrupt as the Europeans</i>”.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Warned against cities, would have been a lot more ideal to keep America a more rural place I think.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>I agree. Definitely agree.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah. It suddenly struck me, I think it was the Roman historian, Terence, I think it was Terence who wrote about Rome in the year 200 BC 200 and something. That Rome, that metropolis to which all evil things in the world are drawn. [chuckling] the nature cities hasn’t changed much.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Have you explored much of Scandinavia and some of the mounds up there? It’s amazing how they don’t do any digging around Scandinavia. It’s like it’s not allowed, they don’t want people to know about their Nordic heritage up there.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Very much so, very much. Unfortunately that is not only limited to Scandinavia. The last time I was in Malmo in Sweden I was really disappointed, because Malmo is becoming a hell, as you know. But, yes, you’re right.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[35:00]</b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Unfortunately that anti-Nordicism is not limited to Scandinavia. I’m sure you’re aware of the discoveries made by a Canadian archaeologist, a year or two ago. She found another Viking settlement in Canada. And she was, I forget her name, offhand, but she was just sacked from the job. The Canadian government withdrew her subsidies. She had all her papers seized, it was unbelievable!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Incredible, you know, this goes in line with everything I’m saying about the physical climate. Unfortunately you’re allowed to be black conscious, you’re allowed to be Hispanic conscious, you’re allowed to be American Indian conscious, you’re allowed to have a Black caucus, you’re allowed to have a Black History Month, you’re allowed to have a Jewish History Month, you’re allowed to have an American Indian History Month. But God help you, if you have a White History Month! Then you’re just a racist.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Well, we’ll just have to do it and not care about what people think.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think that’s a stage where it’s come to. I was greatly amused to see a recent RamzPaul video where we finally address the issue of being labeled, &#8230; Where he said, look people actually just don’t care about the labels. They are so used if you say anything, you just get accused of it. If you say, well Israel, &#8230; Why does the Jewish lobby in America object to Donald Trump suggesting that they build a wall on the border with Mexico? Where Israel’s got a huge wall around it. So it’s good for Israel but bad for America. And their only answer is, “<i>Oh, anti-semite, anti-semite!</i>” and, you know, it doesn’t work any more. I don’t [think] anyone cares anymore.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>By the way, <b>RamZPaul</b>, we’re friends and he said to tell you that he loved your book, so it’s funny that you bring him up, because he asked me to say, “<i>Hi!”</i></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Oh, that is great, I’ve never actually spoken to him. I must try to get hold of him. I was watching his latest or what I presume is his latest videos, “<i>How to beat anti-Semitism</i>” I think that’s the latest. Very good video to watch, very, very good video.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1670-RamzPaul-5-ways-to-combat-anti-semitism.gif"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26260" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1670-RamzPaul-5-ways-to-combat-anti-semitism.gif" alt="" width="656" height="533" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t6s-9S3Ys</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Now, you made a good point I wanted to come back to, because a lot of people worry about, you know, the European population. But we hear there’s more Europeans alive today than ever in history, right? We’ve gone through massive, you know, population losses in the past, so your idea that we don’t have to be so worried about that. It’s not as dire as we think, right?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, it is on the face of it. I wrote a book called, “<b><i>Nova Europa</i></b>” which you might or might not be familiar with, and I’m made this exact point. I said:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>It’s ironic that although there’s never been as many Europeans alive, ever in history as there are today. In reality we have never been so close to extermination as we are today</i>”.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1671-Nova-Europa-book-cover.gif"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26261" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-1671-Nova-Europa-book-cover.gif" alt="" width="565" height="887" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] <b><i>Nova Europa: European Survival Strategy in a Darkening World</i></b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because each time in history where there’s been a collapse, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Sumeria, and so on. For each time when there has been a collapse there has always been a White heartland which has been able to provide a new wave of European gene pool. A new wave of explorers, settlers, this type of thing. We’re reaching the stage now where most of our heartlands are now being actually taken over.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And if Europe should fall, and I must admit it, I’m pessimistic about Western Europe, if Western Europe should fall there’s actually not that many places left over. So, No you’re right, we do have very large numbers. But unfortunately we are probably in the most dire situation that we have probably ever been in before.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And, once again, it’s largely Europeans’ fault, I’m sorry to say.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yep.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">If I look, &#8230; Let’s use Germany as an example, right? Now I know there’s lots of causes of this and that’s a separate topic, but let’s look at Germany today, where they say they’ve had 1.2 million, quote, refugees, unquote, come into Germany. It’s a lot more than that, because they don’t even know how many have come in. It’s an absurd situation. Apart from the fact they’re not refugees at all, because they’ve all left Turkey, which is a safe country. Anyway, they’ve poured into Germany now, and the Germans are trying to cope with them. They’re raping, rampaging, criminal rampage through Germany and through the surrounding countries. And they’ve bombed Paris, they’ve bombed Brussels. It’s just mad what’s going on! It is absolutely insane, and you would have thought anyone who had half a brain cell, not even half a brain, but half a brain cell, would say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Woo, this is a bad idea! This is a really bad idea</i>” and they would vote for someone who would say right now, “<i>End this! Not having any more of this. We’re going to throw this lot out. They can all go back and, you know, we’re going to be humanitarian about it to help them and their countries. We’ll stop backing the rebels in, so-called rebels in Syria and will stop the war in Syria by backing Assad. And the good guys in Syria will crush ISIS! That way, we won’t arm them and supply them under the guise of being moderate rebels, and we’ll make sure we’ll help them rebuild Syria, the Syrian cities in Syria. We won’t invite them all to come here and smash our place.</i>”</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[40:25]</b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, you would think that would in the logical, consequential, anyone anyone normal would say that. So what do they do? They have elections in Germany and, “<i>Wow!”</i> thirty percent of them or twenty five percent of them vote for <b>Alternative für Deutschland</b>, the <b>Alternative for Germany</b>. Which, between you and me and pardon the language, is a real half assed party!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>I’ve gathered that.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, now they’re saying the right things but they’re not saying things which need to be said. Basically, what needs to be said is:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Woo, now that’s it! Stop immigration and all non-White immigrants out!</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>They don’t want to look like Nazis, right? They are the alternative to the right.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">But they don’t even believe [that]. That they actually expelled some some branch somewhere outside Frankfurt, I think it was. Which actually struck a local election deal with the NDP. They actually expelled them, because they dared to have an alliance with the NDP, which is saying the things which need to be done.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Anyway, the point being that only twenty five percent of the voters in those three areas, the three states which voted recently, dared vote for the NDP. Which means that sixty five or seventy five percent of voters still voted for the parties who bringing all the invasion in!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now that’s a really worrying figure, that’s a really worry, &#8230; It’s only worrying if you are unlike me. Because I’ve crossed the psychological Rubicon and I’ll explain what I mean by that in a second. That’s really worrying if you think:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Wow, anyone in their right mind would say, no we need to stop this!”</i></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And, you know, what, you look at the <b>Front National</b> in France. The <b>Front National</b> has also watered down it’s policies a lot. But even they struggle to get more than thirty five percent of the vote. Which means that sixty percent of Frenchmen, and that’s why they keep on losing when they have the run-offs in the presidential elections. That’s why the Le Pens keep on losing the runoffs. They come second and then all the communists, the conservatives, the liberals and the communists all gang together, and all of a sudden they are one party and they vote for the other people. And it’s the same thing over and over again.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, while I agree with you that there are lots and lots of Europeans alive today. Sadly we’re, what appears to be a majority of them, still don’t know or understand what is going on. Now we can take two approaches. Just one approach we can take is to say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Yes well we need to alert them and wake them up, you know, we just need to reach, them tell them the truth and the truth will make them free blah, blah, blah</i>” all that stuff.</span></p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well let’s just say I’ve tried that and I’ve found most people have formed their opinions and facts have very little to do with how they how they reach their opinions. A lot is driven on emotion, a lot of it is driven on personality, a lot of it is driven on on a number of other factors. Basically any other factor except the facts.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, while we can, whatever we say can be true, unless you can motivate a large number of people, and there’s only been a few periods in history where that’s actually been done. I don’t have to mention which ones they are. A lot of people, most people are motivated not by facts. So, that’s a real problem. Having said that, I’m not pessimistic over the future of the European people or the White race, <i>per se</i>. The reason for that, is that I think, although we have large numbers, ever larger numbers than ever before, I think we’re going to go into a population bottleneck simply because our large numbers have up-bred the stupid class amongst Europeans. That there are now more degenerate stupid, brain-dead Europeans than before.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Oh, yeah!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Again, I think nature is remorseless. Nature isn’t immoral, nature is amoral. Nature doesn’t say this is right or wrong, nature says these are the rules, abide by them or die. And I think those Europeans incapable of understanding the laws of nature will die.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[44:54]</b></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I don’t think we we can do anything about that, but what I do think, is that, as long as we who understand it and can take the necessary steps to secure a geographic area which is homogenous and which can then serve as an attraction point for Europeans who understand what it is all about. Then, even if we are substantially reduced, even if we are reduced by eighty percent, our core will remain solid and anything is possible once all the White liberals vanish, which they will vanish, as well.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>So, is thinking in terms of ethnostates really a luxury here, or a big dream at this point?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">No, I don’t think so. I think it’s going to come about naturally. I think, White flight is an inadvertent acknowledgment of the reality of that principle. It’s not, people say, “<i>Oh, White flight is just racism</i>”. No, it’s not racism, simply because Whites can’t live in Third World standards. I think that the concept of the enthnostates will come about. And I think it’ll come about sooner than what many people think. I think the developments in Eastern Europe are going to come about within the next couple of decades.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Now, do you see people moving to a different area, or should they stay where they’re at, if someone’s Swedish and they stay in Sweden and fight for that land?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, that’s a real difficult one. It’s easy for me to say having moved around a lot.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>At the same time you need people to watch your back, right? You need your tribe of people, you know.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s all good and well to sit and say, “<i>Yes, I’m standing my ground</i>” and you’re in Los Angeles and you’re standing your ground and then the next minute there’s only you and five other Europeans left. You can stand your ground as long as you want to then you can be murdered, for your principles. Or, you can do like what like, what’s happening in South Africa. You, &#8230; people can say:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>We’re never leaving the Transvaal, the Orange Free State, that’s the traditional Boer Republic, that is our home!</i>”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, you can do that, or you can move to Orania, where you actually are not going to be murdered instantly. You might have to defend it eventually. I’m sure you’ll have to defend it eventually, of that there is no doubt. But you can stand and be murdered for your principles, or you can move somewhere else where you can generate the seed of a new revival.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>And it’s going to take hard work. And I think some people don’t want to do that, they don’t want to make the sacrifices and have to start over somewhere else, but that’s what it’s going to take. We’re going to have to be pioneers, once again.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Absolutely, absolutely. And if you think it can’t be done, think of your ancestors who did it over and over again. America was created by those people. I mean, the people who arrived in early America, what did they arrive with? They arrived with a few tools, which they had brought across and that was it! They were dumped down on the East Coast and man, that was it. They had to get on with it. They had to move out. They had to build their own houses, they had to build their own wagons, they had to eventually start building their own weapons, that had to do everything from scratch. No, we can do it, it’s easy to do it. Much more difficult to get the will-power to do it.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Now, how, this is always the question. How do we appeal to the White masses, if the facts and the hard hitting truth isn’t working? I mean what’s it going to take to reach those people? I mean, it seems like they respond to things like entertainment and superficial pop culture, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">You’re asking the wrong person, to answer what appeals to the masses. I have crossed what I mentioned earlier, a psychological Rubicon. When I was younger and I was first involved in this craziness, called the “<i>movement</i>”, I believed, all you have to do is tell people what’s going on. They’ll say:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh yes, of course, I understand who controls the media. I understand! Oh yes, racial demographics, of course! Why didn’t I see this?</i>”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I saw this in South Africa, you know. You’d explain to people that having a black maid and a black gardener and a cook boy in a White, …</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Let me let me tell you about the house which I was raised in Southern Rhodesia. We had a cook boy, black, we had a ironing boy, who would do all the ironing. We had a garden boy and we had a house boy. So we had we had four and their wives and all their piccaninnies [kids]. I mean, when I think about it now, and this is normal for White colonists in Africa, I must tell you. They had virtually an entire tribe living with you.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[49:43]</b></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">It was incredible. And it’s still happening today, because they still don’t understand, you know. Everyone talks about the White farmers being murdered in South Africa, and it is a tragedy, don’t get me wrong. It’s terrible, I hate reading about it. But, you know, how many times haven’t, &#8230; I spoke at a Transvaal agricultural union meeting in 1991 in Pretoria. And I told him that the die was cast, and the ANC Government was coming and what they needed to do quickly was mechanize, get rid of all the black laborers and get what they needed for security and for land claim purposes. They were going to have trouble, if they’ve got, as they do, even to this day, hundreds of black laborers on their farms, it’s just going to cause trouble with crime. It’s going to cause a problem with land claims, all that type of stuff.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Anyway of course they ignored me. Some of the even booed me:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh no, Philomon been working on my farm for, him and his family, for the last hundred years, you know, even the family they’ll never do anything to us!</i>” blah, blah, blah.</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">When you’re living on a farm and your outnumbered by your black farm workers, two hundred to one, you’re asking for trouble. Absolutely asking for trouble! So people who fail to understand that demographics controls everything, you can take a horse to water, but you can make it drink. You can lay out all the facts to them and if they don’t, if they refuse to accept it as a reality, there’s nothing more you can do.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And this is where I passed my psychological Rubicon.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">I used to believe that if I just explained all of this to everyone, they’ll say:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, yes of course ha ha. How could we be this stupid. You’re right Arthur! We will quickly support you, we will vote for whatever party you tell us to vote for, and everything will be all right.</i>”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Of course they don’t. Absolutely don’t! And eventually after many, many years, maybe twenty five,  thirty years of activism I thought well, it’s either I’m crazy and deluded, or they are. One of the two. I like to think that I’m not, so therefore they are. And then it suddenly struck me. People who are going to die, will die, no matter what you tell them.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">I’m I’m reminded of a speech by Hitler, if I’m allowed to mention Hitler?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Of course.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">A speech that Hitler gave once, he said:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Do not imagine that a nation of sixty million cannot die. All it has to do, is decide to die, and it will.</i>”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">He was talking about Germany of course. And that’s a very valid thing. If people refuse to, if people decide to ignore racial reality, decide to ignore lessons of history and demographics and race, then they will die. That’s a conscious decision they’re going to take. And so, I have switched my approach completely. I no longer attempt to win with the masses for a great revolution.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">My approach now is to recruit as many as I can, to the understanding of what it’s going to take. Consolidate them in a geographic area, stroke, areas, and generate a new resource, a new gene pool for something that can happen in the future.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>That is right, quality not quantity, right? More of a eugenic approach here.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">That is right. I mean, honestly, sometimes when you look around at Whites around you, do you really, even want to live with them?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>No. No.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, this is it. A hundred years of maybe, not a hundred, maybe sixty, seventy years of social welfare dependency in Britain has created a huge White underclass! Which God forbid, I would prefer to live in Thailand, rather than live with the British underclass, the White British underclass. And that’s the same everywhere and that’s not knocking, &#8230; Everybody, everyone knows what I’m talking about. You get degenerate Whites and I just wouldn’t want to live with them, anymore than anyone else. And now I’m convinced that we can recruit enough White people to restart again somewhere else. The critical thing is the geographic area. I’m not even worried about the numbers, the critical thing is the geographic area. Let me give an example of what, I’m sorry I’m talking so much, &#8230;</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>No, it’s great. That is why you are here.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Let me give you an example of what I’m talking about with numbers, all right. People say:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, how many people do you need in an ethnostate to make it viable?</i>”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Not, actually, that many. There is a NASA Project called, Hyperion, I think it’s called Hyperion, where they planned, &#8230; It’s a theoretical thing because NASA is on it’s last legs. But, it’s a theoretical group of scientists and people planning for interplanetary travel, what it would take to travel inter-planetary.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[55:00]</b></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And with current propulsion systems they say, to get to the nearest solar system, if they should ever send a rocket out there with people needed to colonize a new planet. How many people would they have to send to make a genetically viable planet? You know, to colonize, to set up. But what they’ve done is they’ve calculated, they use geneticists, they’ve calculated that if they are to send a certain number of people to another planet without any additional genetic input from earth, how many people would they have to send to create a genetically viable colony which would not be afflicted by the problems of inbreeding? Okay, have I made myself clear?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">The answer which came up was quite quite amazing. And it is really, I’m just going to actually put it up here because it’s actually well worth reading. The answer is quite incredible! You would think that you would need millions at least. In actual fact not. They’ve worked it out, a Doctor Cameron Smith, he’s an anthropologist and a prehistorian at State University in Oregon. He compiled the reported in question and I’m right, it’s called Project Hyperion. His report which he compiled and handed in to them, said that the number of people which you would need to create a genetically viable colony on another planet, &#8230; You could create it between 14,000 and 40,000 people.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Huh! Well that’s encouraging.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">That is! He says, I’m quoting from his report:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>A safe and well considered figure is 40,000 for interstellar migration population. Composed of an effective population of 23, 400 reproductive male and females, the rest being pre or post reproductive individuals. This number would maintain good health over five generations despite (a) increased inbreeding resulting from the relatively small human population, (b) depressed genetic diversity due to the founder effect, (c) demographic change through time and (and) expectation of at least one severe population catastrophe over the five generation voyage.</i>”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So there you go. I mean that’s an extreme example, but the truth is if you think about it logically and you think of the original founding European population, you’ll see that probably the original founding population of all Europeans, all of them, it’s probably not more than a few hundred thousand.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So no, I’m not worried about the grand scheme of things. I think we are going to lose in the coming racial bottleneck, because they simply don’t understand or don’t want to understand what’s happening. I think we’re going to lose huge numbers and we’re going to be compressed geographically. We’re going to lose a lot of territory. But I think we have the advantage now, having an understanding of race history demographics.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">If we are reduced down to a few million, we have this understanding we will survive and I’m sure we will create a huge resurgence later on, in a generation or two’s time.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>I suppose to you to want to recruit people who are very technological and maybe work in weaponry, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">That goes by the by. The other angle about ethnostates, is that people say:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, well the Jewish lobby won’t let you do it!”</i> or, “<i>America will bomb you or whatever.</i>”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">The counter argument to that is, of course, is Mexico a world power? That’s my question to you. Just say yes or no.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>No!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Right. Why isn’t Mexico a world power?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Well, because it’s got a Third World population.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because it’s full of Mexicans. Now when America fills up with Mexicans will America be a world power? I can’t imagine Mexicans keeping those B17 [?] bombers going and all the missiles and the, &#8230;</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>They don’t have a space program in Mexico. So, no.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">There you go. So you understand that the demographic changes we’re talking about is so immense people don’t grasp the vastness of it. Of what is coming, providing it isn’t reversed. I must add that I’m always, obviously, my first choice is that it’s reversed. If there’s a populist political victory somewhere and then it’s reversed, that’s the first choice, obviously. But I just like to plan for plan B, just in case. But if it goes as it appears to be going, the racial demographic change is going to be so vast that the geo-political order which we know today is going to be turned on it’s head.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[60:08]</b></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yes. And if we could use that, actually, to our benefit in the future.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Absolutely! There isn’t going to be a great big policeman America, saying:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh no, you can’t have an ethnostate in Eastern Europe</i>” or, “<i>No, you can’t have an ethnostate in Oregon</i>” or, “<i>No, you can’t have an ethnostate where ever</i>”.</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because there ain’t going to be no big American policeman.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">There’s going to be a Second, stroke, Third World shambles. And they will be too busy fighting over the scraps, or, who owns the palace, to worry about what a few million Europeans are doing on the other side of the planet or the other side of the continent.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>I think that’s why it’s good what you’re saying, we need to be planning for the future and start building something that people can come to in the future, because it’s inevitable. This is going to fall. We’re watching it fall. So, we shouldn’t be so concerned with all the hows and the who’s, but more of like:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">“<i>What are we going to do about it now?</i>” Right?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">That’s the critical thing. The ethnostate idea and it’s ironic in the extreme. I mean, as you know, the ethnostate idea has been around for a long time. In fact the first ethno-estate theorist was, of course, Theodor Herzl. Zionism is just nothing but a Jewish ethnostate, as you know.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">And he drew that up in 1896. The next ethnostate project was, of course, National Socialist Germany, and that was destroyed.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And after that it’s basically been put on the back burner, or Japan is probably a good example of a functioning ethnostate. They are coming under increasing pressure. China is, Pakistan is, India is. They’ve all got laws which encourage Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Japanese immigration only. So, therefore they could be, in the broader sense of the word, that could be called ethnostates.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">But apart from that, apart from Israel, the only other near ethnostate project to date, has been the Orania people in South Africa and the Pioneer Little Europe which emerged in the 1990s, I think.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2069-Airial-view-of-Orania.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26262" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2069-Airial-view-of-Orania.jpg" alt="" width="971" height="647" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2069-Airial-view-of-Orania.jpg 971w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2069-Airial-view-of-Orania-600x400.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2069-Airial-view-of-Orania-768x512.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 971px) 100vw, 971px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Orania is an Afrikaner-only South African town located along the Orange River in the arid Karoo region of Northern Cape province. The town is split in two halves by the R369 road, and lies halfway between Cape Town and Pretoria.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2075-Orania-between-Cape-Town-and-Pretoria.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26263" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2075-Orania-between-Cape-Town-and-Pretoria.jpg" alt="" width="793" height="481" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2075-Orania-between-Cape-Town-and-Pretoria.jpg 793w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2075-Orania-between-Cape-Town-and-Pretoria-600x364.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2075-Orania-between-Cape-Town-and-Pretoria-768x466.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 793px) 100vw, 793px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Orania lies halfway between Cape Town (bottom left) and Pretoria (top right).</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">All that I’ve been trying to do with with my <b><i>Nova Europa</i></b> book and my little website and that, is just to try to popularize the idea and give it some practical impetus, that is all. But yes, no, we do need to be planning for that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Having said all of that, one must never abandon completely the possibility that Europeans will wake up. If Europeans wake up, they can reverse everything overnight, literally. Europeans are so powerful they just have to think that they can survive and they will. Just to invert what Hitler said earlier. And I’m not yet completely convinced that Austria isn’t going to be the first country in Europe to rebel, formally. I mean Hungary already has. Hungary’s a great country. If you ever want to go and visit that country, it’s a great place to visit. Poland’s great. That Czech Republic’s great. Slovakia’s great. Those are all nations which have already, European Russia, Byelorussia, those places.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Those are all nations that are already seen and understood what’s going on. And they are already nations with firmly established infrastructures and I’m not convinced that there won’t come a revival from that point of view. In this regard you can watch what happens at the May 22nd Austrian presidential run-off where the <b>FPO</b> [<b>Freedom Party of Austria</b>] stands a good chance of taking the presidency of Austria. And that might spark off an FPO Government, which the rest of Europe is going to go mad. The rest of liberal Europe’s going to get mad again. And who knows where that can lead? But, just in case that doesn’t happen we should have a plan B.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>And simultaneously have our people, have our people getting into politics! I say this all the time, where’s our people, where’s our party, where is our watch groups, we shouldn’t abandon that either, right?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur:</b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Absolutely! I do think that was a great mistake of the post 1970s, 1980s and 1990s so-called movement in America of retreating and waiting for the establishment to fall, in the great Turner Diaries White liberation army would rise up and seize power. Of course it’s just fantasy. I think that people should have been out there campaigning as hard as they could. Even if you didn’t win you would have just racially conscientized* so many more people.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* To <b>conscientize</b> somebody/yourself (South African English) is to make somebody/yourself aware of important social or political issues.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #008000;">Example: <i>People need to be conscientized about their rights.</i>]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>[65:03]</b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">You know, Donald Trump’s the case in point. He hasn’t set out to racially conscientize anything. I think, if anything is run an incredibly multiracial campaign. But just saying one or two half sensible things has conscientized millions of people. And that shows what can be done under the right circumstances.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Meanwhile in London, your first Muslim mayor, right? How’s that going?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, that’s only a shock for those who don’t, who haven’t been following the immigration invasion into Europe. People don’t know, Birmingham had a Muslim mayor before. Birmingham’s the second largest city. There is a black mayor of Bristol, the town of Bristol. That’s old hat. I mean Whites are an absolute minority in London. Whites are an absolute minority in Birmingham. They’re close to minority in Manchester, and those are your three biggest cities in Britain.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>And people are celebrating becoming a minority over there, right? Meanwhile all the nonWhites know that demographics matter most. They know that’s what it takes to win!</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, there’s an intrinsic understanding to that. Just getting back to what I was saying earlier about people worried about what the Jewish lobby will say about a European ethnostate. The Jewish lobby is only powerful as long as Europeans are in charge. For some peculiar reason, there has to be a reason for it, not having had the time or the interest to fathom it, but when countries swing majority nonWhite, the Jewish Lobby loses it’s power.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">So that, it’s a very self-defeating thing for the Jewish lobby to encourage nonWhite immigration because they will end up losing. Can you imagine, for example, a Vicente Fox [a Mexican businessman who was President of Mexico from 2000 to 2006] controlled US government in Washington DC, continuing to pump four billion dollars a year into Israel?</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>No.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">When they’ve got hundreds of millions of Hispanics on their food stamps. It’s not going to happen. Israel’s funding is going to dry up. The day that America collapses is the day Israel’s funding dries up.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>That’s right. It’s generally only White people that care about Israel.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Correct! In fact, I would go even further and say the nonWhite world is probably inherently hostile to Israel because of the way Israel has treated the Palestinians. So, it’s a very self-defeating thing and that also, &#8230; I think one once that happens, once as a swing of that nature happens, it’s also going to take the teeth out of the Jewish lobbies ability to effect anything else, anywhere, as well.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>And I know we’re getting ready to close here, but I wanted to ask you about one more thing. You write about the third great race war which is, you know, the Moors invading Europe. How is it that Europeans have forgotten that we fought off Arabs before?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s a good question. I think ultimately the outcome of the Second World War has to be the biggest deciding factor in that. I think, prior to the Second World War and all the propaganda that has followed it, I think most Europeans were, had an understanding of race and racial world issues. I think America led the world before World War Two in terms of eugenic research. And certainly far more developed than what anything the Germans had. And I think the advent of the Second World War and the propaganda fallout from that war has caused the science of race to be completely suppressed. And anyone who even raises the topic on the subject, has been subjected to endless smears and attacks.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And the at the same time the communists reds have had their long march through the institutions [the Frankfurt School with its Critical Theory and cultural Marxism]. And with the result people don’t know anything about race, anymore. I think that’s the real reason.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">They actually believe that importing the Middle East into Europe is going to make them Europeans in a few years, instead of importing the chaos of the Middle East into Europe, that’s what they actually appear to believe. And as I said, I can only ascribe it to the outcome and the propaganda following the end of the Second World War.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>It just blows my mind. I mean European women in Europe had been raped by non White invading hordes for a long time now. And now we’re inviting back in some of the same bloodlines. Its pretty outrageous, and they’re doing the same thing, right?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Someone said to me just today, he made the exact point which you are making now, is that the only people who are prepared to change, appear be the Europeans. Everyone else is acting true to form. Which is really a sad thing to think about. But! As I said to you, if that’s what they’re going to believe in, and when all the facts are staring them in the face, well then that’s what they’re going to believe.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">What we have to do, we have to step up our recruiting efforts and recruit as many people, awaken as many people as possible. To those who are receptive to the idea and make them understand that great sacrifices are coming, but if they make the sacrifices our future is assured.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>What always drives me nuts too, when I hear European people say:</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">“<i>Well, we need to race mix, you know, it’s survival. It’s about adapting to change, so we need to blend in.</i>”</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Have you heard that?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I’ve heard that and much worse. [laughing] I’ve heard people say:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Yeah, well there’s nothing you can do about it</i>”.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">The one thing, and this might tread on listeners’ toes, and if it does, it’s a case of, “<i>Veritas odium parit</i>”, “<i>truth purchases hatred</i>”. One thing that I have noticed, is that the so-called White nationalist activists tend to be those with the fewest children.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Yep, that’s true.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I think that’s a serious issue which unless all these activists who run around saying:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Fourteen words and preserve a future for our children!</i>”</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Unless they themselves start living this out, everything becomes pointless without children.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>That’s true. That is absolutely right!</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Well Arthur, I really appreciated your time today. I’m honored to have you here. Please tell everyone how they can buy your books. They really need to help support you. I actually bought your complete volume of <b><i>March Of The Titans</i></b> last night, so I could have it digitally, loving it. It’s great to go back to and I think people should share it with their friends and family and children. But, tell people how they can get your work.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well OK, you can get <b><i>March of the Titans</i></b> on Amazon, of course. A great miracle of modern marketing, that website is. Or you can get a good spread of everything else that I do on ostarapublications.com. That is Ostara as in the goddess of the spring, Ostara Publications dot com. Ostarapublications.com, ostarapublications, one word, and you basically get everything that you need to know there.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>So does that mean you enjoy a lot of the Nordic pre-Christian traditions?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, well, <b>Ostara</b> I chose because it symbolizes rebirth, you know. Easter, the celebration of Easter as we have it today is taken from Ostara. And the goddess Ostara was the goddess of spring, of new life, that’s where, that’s why she had the egg and the rabbit as her symbols, because the egg is the symbol of fertility and there are few animals more fertile and more reproductive than the rabbit. And that’s where the <b>Easter Bunny</b> comes from. And that’s where the Easter egg comes from. So, I thought, well I’m going to pick something with symbolizes what I feel, then it’s going to be about revival, rebirth of new life.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2078-The-Goddess-of-Ostara.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-26264" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Red-Ice-Arthur-Kemp-2078-The-Goddess-of-Ostara.jpg" alt="" width="487" height="668" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] The Goddess of Ostara (or Eostre in old English) with symbols of fertility and new life.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Lana: </b>Very nice. Well thank you so much for your time this evening. I really appreciate it.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><b>Arthur: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Lana, thanks so much for having me.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><b><i>The international Jew, the promoter and benefactor of both international Communism and capitalism, is a biological parasite. </i></b><a href="http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/weltparasit.htm"><b><i>National Socialist Germany clearly understood this fact</i></b></a><b><i>, and made moves to address the situation. Now it’s America’s turn.</i></b></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">On this edition of <b>The Realist Report</b>, we’ll be joined by <b>Tanstaafl</b> of <a href="http://age-of-treason.com/"><b>Age of Treason</b></a>. Tanstaafl is one of the most knowledgeable and insightful commentators in the alternative, independent media today. In this podcast, we discussed the jewish problem and Jewish parasitism, the root cause of so-called “<i>pathological altruism</i>” prevalent in the White race today, the 2016 president campaign, and related matters. <a href="http://therealistreport.com/the-realist-report-tanstaafl-the-jew-as-a-parasite/">http://therealistreport.com/the-realist-report-tanstaafl-the-jew-as-a-parasite/</a></p>
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<p><b>John Friend (JF)</b>: You are listening to the <strong>Realist Report</strong>. Here’s your host John Friend.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>Tanstaafl (TAN)</b>: Hello John.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>All right folks. Welcome book to another edition of the <strong>Realist Report</strong>. I am your host John Friend. Today I have a very special guest, Tanstaafl from <strong>Age of Treason</strong> is joining me on the line. Tanstaafl is one of the most knowledgeable and insightful commentators in the pro-White media today. Particularly when it comes to the <em><strong>Jewish Question</strong></em> (<strong>JQ</strong>) or more accurately, the <em><strong>Jewish Problem</strong></em> (<strong>JP</strong>). A topic that we will be discussing at length today. So Tanstaafl, welcome to the Realist Report. Thanks for being with us today</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Thank you for inviting me John. Glad to be here.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Absolutely. Yes, for people that aren’t familiar with your work, I’m going to post a link to a radio program you did where you kind of go through your background and how you awoke to some of these issues and how you started your website and your radio program and whatnot. But for now can you just people the URL to your website? And any other details you want to give out about your website.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I think if you just search for &#8220;<b>Age of Treason&#8221;</b> you’ll find my site. It’s probably ranked high enough that you will see <strong><a href="http://age-of-treason.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">age-of-treason.com</a></strong> and it’s easy to find.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>OK, and I’ll have a link directly to your site when I post this program. And as I mentioned a link to a radio program where you talk about your background and whatnot. Well, anyway let’s just jump right into the discussion. And let’s start off, &#8230; Could you just explain to your audience, how you woke up to the <em>Jewish Problem</em>.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Well, it started by waking up to race, first. I went through most of my life pretending that race isn’t important, doesn’t exist. Looking back on it showed that the proper instincts that I knew, certain places and certain things were not safe and were not good.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But I didn’t, &#8230; Like most White people I basically didn’t think of myself as White, or having interests as a White person. And, I eventually, after one particular straw broke the camel’s back, &#8230; I realized and accepted that I was White and that Whites are under attack as a race. And that I was part of that whether I wanted to be part of it or not. And I, you know, to put it in terms that I later realized, “<i>race</i>” is a code word for White, basically.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What I saw and what I think what the straws that broke the camel’s back ultimately, were the double standards on race. The hypocrisy, the identity politics. And I didn’t understand this until later either. That identity politics as it exists now and as it has always existed as it was constructed is inherently anti-White.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The anti-White premise of it is built in. It not about all people organizing by race to advocate for their interests as a race, as a group. It’s all groups except Whites being allowed and even encouraged to organize racially. And jews first and foremost for that. The way that I was forced to confront the jews was that once I realized that race was important I realized that the attack on the White race was coming mainly from jews. That jews were the most vocal, the most vitriolic attackers of Whites.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Hmm.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>That is how it happened.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Very interesting. Yes. And you made the point, you were sort of talking about how you were deracinated. You didn’t really think in racial terms prior to your racial awakening. I think that is how most, the vast majority of White are, certainly in America, but probably even in Europe, at this point.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yes and it’s unnatural. It’s not just that we are not naturally interested in race. It’s actually propagandized to us in that way. We are indoctrinated with the idea that Whites specifically thinking in terms of race is WRONG! It’s EVIL!</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yes, and you hear the leftists and the anti-White is going on, and on, and on, and on about how there’s still White supremacy in America. And if you look at Congress it’s all White people. And yes that is true to a certain extent. But these White people in Congress and these White people controlling our government, which, you know, is becoming increasingly non-White. But the White people that are in government in the media and whatnot, they do not think of themselves as White. They are not out there acting in the best interests of Whites. They are totally deracinated. And in many cases are working for the racial interests of other groups.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yes, that is the dishonesty that you’re pointing out of that argument that we live in a White supremacist system because their are Whites in control of the universities, Whites have been, every president, up to till Obama, Whites run the banks, Whites run Hollywood. It’s really disingenuous, because even the Whites that are involved in those things don’t think of themselves as Whites, don’t have a positive identity as a White. Or, if they do, they keep it to themselves. They know that they have to keep it to themselves or, they will lose their position in any of those places.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Now, getting back to the &#8220;<em>Jewish Problem</em>&#8220;, you said that you sort of woke up to race first and then you recognized the Jews as the primary adversaries of the White race, and I mean there is a long history that we can talk more about. But, I guess just generally speaking, how would you describe the <em>Jewish Problem</em>, or the <em>Jewish Question</em>? I think the <em>Jewish Problem</em> is a much more accurate, you know, description of this issue, you know, this issue with jews.</p>
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<p>You know, we see all across the world today, especially America. But like, how would you describe the <em>Jewish Problem</em> to an average person? What are the most important points that people need to understand when it comes to this issue?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Right. Well it depends on where they are starting from. If they are starting from zero, where I trace my start from. That they are deracinated. You first have to talk to them about race. You have to get them to see this realization that we are under attack as a race, as a group. And that just because you are acting like it doesn’t matter to you, that is not going to protect you. You are not going to be safe because of that. But once you get someone to say that; race does matter, it’s important and I’m White and I’m going to do something about it.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Then you need to point out the jews to them. It doesn’t come automatically to most people. In fact a lot of people will try to continue the pretense that jews are White. And what you point out to them is that the jews control the banks, jews control the media, jews control the politics and jews rule, when it comes down to it. And if you don’t like what is going on in this country, as most White people don’t, you don’t like the jews. You just don’t, maybe, don’t realize it yet. That it is the jews. And maybe at some point in their brain, &#8230; And I think again looking book in my own travels, it wasn’t that I didn’t see the evidence of it. It’s that I refused to confront it for my whole life. It was not that I was totally ignorant of it.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So that is the first thing to do. To get them to acknowledge that there is, that all of this stuff is going on, right. Then you come to the <em>Jewish Problem</em>. And the Jewish Problem is really just the flip-side of the anti-semitism, right. It’s our, &#8230; It’s what the conflict of interests is called from a White point of view. It’s called the <em>Jewish Problem</em>. The jews call it anti-semitism. Or you could say, from a jew point of view it’s the non-jew problem. We non-jews call it the <em>Jewish Problem</em>. And historically it’s the problem that jews create for us.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The fact is the jews aren’t White. They are genetically distinct, so their DNA is different. They are ideologically hostile. This is even more important, that even if they were, &#8230; If you could get over the fact that they are genetically similar [different?] they are ideologically 180 degrees different Whites. They see themselves, &#8230; The core of their identity, if you pay attention to their blood libel narrative and the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8221; narrative, is that Whites are the enemy. Especially when they get on their soapbox and lecture everyone about what the blood libel means to them, what the holocaust means to them. You can see it. They lay it out for you.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">That their time amongst European is for two millennia has been nothing but them being victimized by European is. It’s nothing but an inversion of reality. They have lived among Europeans by their own choice. They came up from the Middle East to live amongst Europeans. And they come to live amongst Europeans and insist upon living upon us, amongst us, because they benefit from it. And they know they benefit from it. But they flip it around. It’s one of the psychological, one of the basic psychological tricks that they use, is that they flip it around and blame Whites for the conflict of interest, between the two groups.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[10:00]</b></span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah, it’s interesting, that the topic of anti-semitism, I mean it’s something that I’ve written quite a bit about on my website and it’s fascinating, &#8230; I mean literally, if you look at, I mean, I follow the jewish press and organizations like the <strong>Anti-Defamation League</strong> [<strong>ADL</strong>]. And when they talk about anti-semitism, they are basically talking about people who criticize jews and who make basic observations about jews. And people who literally quote Jews themselves. You know to demonstrate what sort of agenda they’re promoting and what these jews are up to. That is what anti-semitism is, it is telling the truth about the jews. I mean, it’s really incredible that they continue to really use this word as a weapon against us! I mean there’s other words, “<i>racist,</i>” and “<i>White Supremacist</i>” and there’s many others. But I think the jews have been very effective in weaponizing our political discourse and using it against Whites.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Rubin-Vase-Ver-2.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-22213" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Rubin-Vase-Ver-2.jpg" alt="" width="639" height="488" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Rubin-Vase-Ver-2.jpg 639w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Rubin-Vase-Ver-2-600x458.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 639px) 100vw, 639px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] Ruben-vase.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yes, yeah, and uh, the key is that it has to do with point of view. And it’s the relationship between Whites and jews specifically. It’s like one of those drawings that you can see from one of two ways. It’s actually called a “<i>Ruben-vase</i>”*. It’s the most classic example of that. Yeah, I just looked it up today to find out if there was a name for it. And it’s based on this, according to Wikipedia. It’s based on a Danish psychologist, who turns out, of course, to be jew. But, it’s, &#8230; From the jewish point of view, it’s just mindless, senseless, hate of jews for no reason whatsoever. And Whites, in typical fashion, we step outside of ourselves, we don’t even take our own side in this, we step outside of ourselves, see it objectively as a conflict of interests. And see it, as a struggle between equals. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And what I’ve come to realize over time, &#8230; Initially, that’s how I saw it when I first woke up to it, it’s like:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, well there’s a conflict here, between two groups, the jews have their own identity and Whites should have their own identity and we’re at odds with each other, at least, some of the time.</i>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And what I’ve come to realize is that it’s actually far worse than that. It’s Whites have no identity in large part because jews attack whatever sign we show of any sort of consciousness of our racial common interests. And they attack brutally! I mean, it’s just about everything that they accuse the Whites of doing to them, they are actually responsible for doing themselves, they’re basically projecting their own malice onto their enemies.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">* [Rubin’s vase (sometimes known as the Rubin face or the figure–ground vase) is a famous set of ambiguous or bi-stable (i.e., reversing) two-dimensional forms developed around 1915 by the Danish psychologist Edgar Rubin. They were first introduced at large in Rubin’s two-volume work, the Danish-language <b><i>Synsoplevede Figurer</i></b> (“<b><i>Visual Figures</i></b>”), which was very well received.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Edgar <b>John</b> Rubin (September 6, 1886ing May 3, 1951) was a Danish psychologisted phenomenologist, remembered for his work on figure-ground perception as seen in such optical illusions like the Rubin vase.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Born of jewish parents, Rubin was born and raised in Copenhagen. Enrolling at the University of Copenhagen in 1904, he majored in psychology and finished his <em>magister artium</em> examination in philosophy in 1910.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">S<b>ources:</b></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;"><a style="color: #008000;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubin_vase">https: //en.wikipedia.orged wikied Edgartion Rubin</a></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;"><a style="color: #008000;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Rubin">https: //en.wikipedia.orged wikied Rubintion vase</a>]</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right, and we see how Jews frame anti-Semitism as always some irrational, you know, crazed expression of just anti-Jewish hatred for no reason, there’s no evidence, or any points that these anti-Semites are making, they’re just these crazy individuals. And they’ve also just literally pathologized White identity to where if you actually recognize the fact that you are White and you care about the future of White people, you care about our history, our traditions, you are, again, crazy and irrational. I mean it’s just incredible what they’ve been able to do. And I think of, for example, <strong>Dr. Kevin MacDonald</strong> and the <b><i>Culture of Critique</i></b> really explains this all really, very, very well. And that kind of gets into my next question. What are some of the most important books you would recommend, or that you’ve read dealing with these topics?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yeah, definitely Kevin MacDonald is the most important, I would have to mention first. And especially for someone who’s first waking up to race and the Jews. It’s a very detailed explanation of what’s been happening historically and largely cites Jews themselves, as a source of lots of quotes and facts about about the case. And, the <b><i>Culture of Critique</i></b>, of course, is a three-volume set, I’ve never read that cover-to-cover myself, I’ve actually gone beyond it. It’s definitely worth it if somebody wants to read it from cover-to-cover, and I’ve read large sections of it, as certain topics became of interest to me.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">There’s one particular subset that he wrote about the jewish involvement in immigration into the United States that I forward probably once a month to somebody or another whenever immigration comes up and people act like it just happened out of the blue. What’s going on with our open borders. And I thought MacDonald made a great case there in that chapter that he wrote about that, and he made it available in a <strong>separate PDF</strong>*. Which is relatively short and easy to read.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Immigration-Policy.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-22206" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Immigration-Policy.jpg" alt="" width="733" height="889" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Immigration-Policy.jpg 733w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Immigration-Policy-600x728.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 733px) 100vw, 733px" /></a></p>
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<li>[Download of MacDonald&#8217;s PDF, ￼<strong><em>Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy</em></strong>: <a href="https://katana17.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/efbfbcjewish-involvement-in-shaping-american-immigration-policy.pdf">￼Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy</a></li>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[15:00]</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He also wrote a lot of effective stuff about <strong>Cultural Marxism</strong>, the <strong>Frankfurt School</strong>, <strong>Franz Boas</strong>. So if you’re trying to figure out, you know, how did we get to this, state of race, and what happened to race science, then MacDonald is a great source for that.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He was inspired, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>I’m sorry, real quick, &#8230; I was just going to say, I have read <b><i>Culture of Critique</i></b>, but I haven’t read, &#8230; I think there are two books that preceed <b><i>Culture of Critique</i></b> in the series. And I haven’t read those. But, I mean, that book is absolutely essential reading because it brilliantly and very scholarly explains and analyses the systematic Jewish assault on Western civilization from a cultural perspective, from an intellectual perspective, from a scientific perspective. I mean, these jews literally took over the West, you know, academically and even politically now, obviously, that is very obvious now.</p>
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<p>But back in the 40s, 50s, as you mentioned, Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School, topics that MacDonald expertly addresses and gives a history of. You know, these radical Jewish intellectuals literally took over Western civilization. And has been undermining and destroying it ever since. And, you know, we can demonstrate this with ease, you know, these jews openly admit it. It’s how do we get people to actually understand all this, because there is a lot to it. And I think you can summarize it and break it down pretty simply. But if you want all the details you have to read <b><i>Culture of Critique</i></b>.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>That is what I was getting at when I said, it depends on your point of view as to whether something is anti-semitism or not. And what MacDonald does, is he quotes Jews saying these things. And they say it as a good thing. And of course MacDonald is presenting in a way that puts it in a bad light, in a negative light. Bad for Europeans. That it has been destructive to European society, European civilization. And that is what makes it anti-semitism. If you are seeing it from a jewish point of view, well now, someone quoting all these jews, poisonous things about Whites and White civilization, [laughing] yes that is anti-semitism! From our point of view, it’s documenting the <em>Jewish Problem</em>.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right. Of the jewish genocidal agenda against the West. And that is absolutely what they are up to.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Right. And it is an agenda that is organized. It is conscious thing. Now, &#8230; You can see in the <strong>triolgy</strong>* MacDonald himself has talked about how he himself became more and more aware of just how deep this problem was. And how, I don’t want to put words in his mouth, but how negative it was. He started of just studying the jews abstractly, objectively and by the <b><i>Culture of Critique</i></b> how was basically making an argument in favour ointing the finger of blame at jews for what has happened, certainly in the last 200 years or so, I think is what he covers.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">* [<b><i>A People That Shall Dwell Alone</i></b><i>: Judaism As a Group Evolutionary Strategy, With Diaspora Peoples.</i></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b><i>Separation and Its Discontents: </i></b><i>Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Anti-Semitism.</i></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b><i>The Culture of Critique: </i></b><i>An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements.</i>]</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Kevin-MacDonalds-Trilogy.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-22215" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Kevin-MacDonalds-Trilogy.jpg" alt="" width="731" height="483" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Kevin-MacDonalds-Trilogy.jpg 731w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-The-Jew-as-a-Parasite-Kevin-MacDonalds-Trilogy-600x396.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 731px) 100vw, 731px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Image — Kevin MacDonald&#8217;s trilogy.]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He was inspired by a book, in part he was inspired by a book he came across, I have read cover to cover, called, &#8230; It was <strong>John M Cuddihy</strong>, “<b><i>The Ordeal of Civility</i></b>”. [<strong><i>The Ordeal of Civility</i></strong><i>: </i><i>Freud</i><i>, </i><i>Marx</i><i>, Levi-Strauss and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity</i>] and the subtitle was, <strong>Marx, Freud and Levi Strauss</strong>. Focusing on three particular jews who were, that are iconic of what MacDonald calls, jewish intellectual movements. This gurus that lead whole troops of jews, mostly jews anyway. Part of what MacDonald documents is how jews put “<i>goy</i>” out front, several “<i>goy</i>” out front to basically be the face of the movement. But Cuddihy is far more objective, or at least comes across that way. As an Irishman he comes across at least sympathetic to the jews, to there outsider adversarial point of view, towards the West, and towards Anglo-Saxons in particular.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-John-M-Cuddihy-“The-Ordeal-of-Civility”.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-22214" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-John-M-Cuddihy-“The-Ordeal-of-Civility”.jpg" alt="" width="816" height="671" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-John-M-Cuddihy-“The-Ordeal-of-Civility”.jpg 816w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-John-M-Cuddihy-“The-Ordeal-of-Civility”-600x493.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-John-M-Cuddihy-“The-Ordeal-of-Civility”-768x632.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 816px) 100vw, 816px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Image — John M Cuddihy and his book (click image to enlarge).]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Although the thing is it’s not just the Anglo-Saxons that Jews don’t like. It’s the Germans they don’t like, it’s the Swedes they don’t like, it’s the American they don’t like. It’s really any host that they basically have to subdue in order to benefit from, in order to exploit. And that is, &#8230;, you know, MacDonald and Cuddihy are both hesitant to identify jews as an enemy or use any terms that go beyond an objective evaluation of the situation.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[20:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean, McDonald goes further than Cuddihy does in laying out the hostility and it speaks for itself when you lay it out that way, that they’re the enemy, that they think of us as the enemy. I do it myself when I describe how the jewish identity is centered on, the core of it is, identifying Whites or any host that they live amongst really.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But Whites are our concern, and the most recent host for them, as the enemy, and that Whites, if we have a failing at all, it’s in not recognising that, you know where part of the psychological trick they play is that they constantly accuse us of being stupidly, crazily blaming jews for everything. When, the real problem is that Whites, if you want to generalise about the problem, is that Whites don’t blame jews for enough. Whites under-estimate jews. They misunderstand jews. So it’s really a problem of under-estimating them.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yes, no, and I think that goes to the heart of our problems here in America and really the wider Western world, in that we have never really, well at least in America, we’ve never really dealt seriously with the <em>Jewish Problem</em> and it absolutely is a huge problem.</p>
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<p>And guys, if you don’t believe me, I’m gonna have a link to the <b><i>Renegade Tribune</i></b> and it’s an article called “<i>Quotes in support of White Genocide</i>”. And it’s just a list of jews making just some of the most outrageous, truly genocidal comments about white people and, I mean, this is something that’s been going on for a very, very long time, certainly during World War II. That’s what World War II was all about. It was all about destroying the one man who actually did stand up to the jews and actually did expose and explain, even in simple terms, the <em>Jewish Problem</em> to his nation and that was Adolf Hitler’s Germany. That is really what all this boils down to, is that we are not real about race and even more importantly we’re not real about the <em>Jewish Question</em>, or the <em>Jewish Problem</em>, I should say.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yeah, Hitler’s another one to mention. <b><i>Mein Kampf</i></b>, I haven’t read <b><i>Mein Kampf</i></b> cover to cover either, I’ve read large sections of it and there is nothing that Hitler has ever, in any translated speech I’ve ever seen or any tract of text that he’s written, nothing that I can find that he’s wrong about.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Amen!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>As far as I can tell he was telling the truth and he told it very well. He was very articulate, in expressing himself.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>I’m glad you mention that because by far the most powerful and impactful book that I read, especially waking up to racial realism and the <em>Jewish Problem</em>, you know, I was really into, I originally got started in all this and sort of woke up to the <em>Jewish Problem</em> by researching 9/11 and coming to the obvious conclusion that 9/11 was actually done by Israel and an international network of jewish criminals. And most certainly not Osama Bin Laden and 19 Arabs, you know, terrorist hijackers. What an absurd, ridiculous story that is! But that was my awakening to the <em>Jewish Problem</em>, but I didn’t really get, you know, into the racial issues until I read <b><i>Mein Kampf</i></b> and I mean everything really clicked once I read that book.</p>
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<p>And it’s interesting, you know. I remember reading, I think it’s chapter, it’s like chapter 11, or maybe 12 and I think it’s called, “<i>Nation and State</i>” or “<i>Nation and Race</i>” maybe, I can’t remember the exact name of the chapter [Chapter 11: <b><i>People and Race*</i></b>] . But it’s really, in my opinion it’s probably the best chapter in the whole book. And he deals with race and he talks about how the White race, “<i>the aryan man</i>” I think he exactly says, is the founder of civilisation and the jews have always been parasites and the corrupters and subverters of civilisation. And I really just read that and was so blown away. I’d never really heard history articulated like that. Wow! Did White people really invent civilisation and all the technology we use today? And the more I thought about is the more obvious it became that absolutely it did. We are the founders of civilisation. No other races have accomplished anything even close to what we’ve accomplished. And I don’t think that’s wrong or supremacist for making that basic, factual observation.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">*[Click here to see the post: <a style="color: #008000;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2016/01/03/mein-kampf-chapter-11-race-and-people/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mein Kampf: Chapter 11 — Race and People</a>]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yeah. About 9/11, let’s talk about that in a little while.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>OK.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I have a difference of opinion with you on 9/11, but let’s talk about that in a bit.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah, sure.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Just to continue, the influential books that are worth reading, the influential people who have said things about Jews. <strong>Revilo Oliver</strong> is definitely one of the more recent and important. <strong>William Pierce,</strong> you could add to that. But Oliver’s “<b><i>Jewish Strategy</i></b>” is very good and highlighted just for me, just how far back in time this goes. That it’s an ancient, &#8230; The <em>Jewish Problem</em> is an ancient problem. It’s not something that started when Europeans started to wake up to the biological reality of race, in the 17th, 18th centuries.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right.</p>
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<p><b><span style="color: #0000ff;">TAN:</span> </b><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Arthur Gobineau</strong> is another one who, predated Hitler. And, by the way, that chapter you mentioned, that chapter 12, &#8230; I’m not sure of that is it, either. But race and nation where he talks about that, &#8230; But I get into that in some detail when I was discussing <strong>Francis Parker Yockley’s</strong> book, which is not worth reading, I don’t think.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Hmm, that is, “<b><i>Imperium</i></b>”?</p>
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<p><b><span style="color: #0000ff;">TAN: <i>Imperium</i></span></b><span style="color: #0000ff;">. And he’s a great writer and he got lots of things right, but I think on race he was wrong. And I can, &#8230; He dedicated his book to the hero of World War Two, and he did it just shortly after World War Two. He was writing when everybody else was, or most other people, were putting distance between themselves and the National Socialists and Hitler. He wrote a book about it and dedicated the book to Hitler.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But, what I pointed out, his views on race, &#8230; Yockey’s views on race were kind of wishy washy and kind of spiritual. He was against Rationalism and Darwinism because he saw those as some outgrowth of Jewishness, rather than as an outgrowth of Ayran objectivity. And I contrasted Yockey’s opinion on race and nation and the malleability and plasticity of biological attributes like skull shapes.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yockey went into, or bought in the Boas fraud. Which was this idea that if you move a person from one place to the another the ground shapes them. Now this is funny because Darwinism is that theory. Darwinism explains it as taking generations. Generation after generation has to be shaped by it’s environment. That is the basic idea behind natural selection. But it was even more instructive to contrast what Yockey had to say with what Hitler had to say. His hero, &#8230;, you know, he apparently missed that chapter, I guess, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>When trying to understand Hitler’s views about race. And Hitler’s views about race, I believe, come down from Arthur Gobineau. I don’t know if he read the book himself directly, but Gobineau’s, “<b><i>Inequality of Human Races</i></b>” describes a very popular view of the importance of race and the differences not just between Whites and blacks and yellows, whatever, the continental races. But the differences amongst Whites themselves, the differences, &#8230; Gobineau used the term “<em>race</em>” in a very fine-grained senses that used to be used for nation. What nation used to mean, subrace. A more narrowly group of people related natally. And Gobineau was talking really about the distinctions amongst European is. He saw at that time, he was writing in the 1850s, or so. Whites were just stomping all over the world, conquering and colonizing everywhere here and it seemed like everywhere here the Whites went the non-White races were sort of withering and dying away and he, &#8230; From his vantage point Whites were going to dominate the planet.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think a criticism of Gobineau, is that in retrospect he didn’t appreciate the [danger of] jews. Like other European is in his time and up until today you had many European is that are just blind to the jews or consider them some sort of fossil people. I think Gobineau actually used that term, and later it was used by people like Toynbe, and Spengler also. And that attitude is just wrong! The jews are not a fossil people! Implying that they are just inert, and unchanging and ancient. They are a very dynamic and a very deadly force! Very much alive, very much active in what’s going on in the world.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And in the last influential source I would urge [listeners to look into] , is something that I just became aware of recently is a book called, “<b><i>The Great Jewish Masque</i></b>” which is, the author is unknown, &#8230; People have speculated about the it. It was published in, by Arnold Leese’s, &#8230; He had something to do with the publishing of it. From the way the text is phrased, it came out in 1920, I think or there abouts, &#8230; It seemed to me like it was Leese’s voice, from other things I have heard from or read of <strong>Arnold Leese</strong>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What it is, it’s a, &#8230; Basically an exposure of the Jews as historic fraudsters. That the jewish narrative throughout history, the telling of history from a jewish point of view is a giant lie. It’s one, or it’s a series of lies. Things or elements of who they are, just made up. The subtitle is something like, “<i><strong>The Donkey in the Lion Skin</strong></i>”, or something, “<strong><i>The Ass in the Lion Skin</i></strong>” which is some ancient European fable that describes the jews as basically making themselves to be heroic and brave and great, when the reality is quite the opposite. That they are very secretive.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And this idea of jews using masks and disguising themselves is something you will find, &#8230; basically every insightful critic of jews have noticed, including MacDonald, including Revilo Oliver, Hitler, is that they use disguises. And MacDonald calls this “<i>crypsis</i>”<strong>*</strong>. And MacDonald come closest to putting a biological interpretation of what they are doing, closest to calling it out as parasitism, without calling it parasitism, at least until recently. He’s kind of shied away from that. But when you look up what “<i>crypsis</i>” is, and jewish crypsis is basically just this use of camouflage, disguising who they are. It’s a good word, it’s a technically sounding term to describe what they do.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">* [In ecology, <i>crypsis</i> is the ability of an organism to avoid observation or detection by other organisms. It may be either a predation strategy or an antipredator adaptation, and methods include camouflage, nocturnality, subterranean lifestyle, transparency, and mimicry.]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">One aspect about their fraud, which is the fraud about who they are. This is what this <span class="Apple-style-span"><b><i>Jewish Masque</i></b></span> book is about. It’s about the fraud of their history. Of course fraud and Jew go together in many ways. Financial fraud, scientific fraud and so on.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right. Now in <b><i>Mein Kampf</i></b> Hitler actually talks about the greatest jewish deception is that they are this religious minority rather than a hostile, foreign racial element undermining society. And I think that is what it really boils down to. That we have to understand that the jews are a foreign racial entity, not really a religious community, you know, a lot of people get confused and think:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“<i>Oh, jews are Whites</i><i> and </i><i>they just have a different religion</i>”.</p></blockquote>
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<p>And that is just not the case at all. I mean jews themselves, denounce their Whiteness and boldly proclaim their Jewishness, you know, what I mean, so?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Right. And that they are jews even when they are atheist and so forth. But, and you are right, &#8230; I skipped over that. When you are having that conversation with people who, maybe are awake to race but insist that jews are White. That is the kind of people that you have to have this heart to heart, you know, lay it on the table. That, no, Judaism is not what jews are about, it’s their people-hood really. That is the term they use for it. The European euphemism for race, that they use. They talk about the continuity of their people-hood and how important that is to them. And they talk about the evil of assimilation and intermarriage, two more kind of code words that they use. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Which is, &#8230; You know, if Whites were talking in the ways that jews talk about it, Whites would be accused of being horrible hater racists, you know, for thinking of things in racial terms. But the jews do it more or less openly, using this coded speech for it. They all know what they are talking about. And they all know that it’s their strength. So, and they know it would be their own undoing to say, “<i>Open the borders of Israel to aliens</i>”. Even the Syrians who are their next door neighbours, genetically close to them, they don’t want to open their borders to them. And it’s not because of religion.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Religion is just an organizing principle for them. It helps them to maintain their racial integrity, their racial purity.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right, I completely agree. And that is the most outrageous aspect of the<em> Jewish Problem</em> is just their blatant, in your face, it truly is insulting hypocrisy. Where, for example, we have, wall to wall jewish support. I mean every single jewish organization in America, in Europe. They are all demanding that the West accept unlimited and totally unrestricted, you know, refugees from the Middle East. Quote, unquote “<i>refugees</i>”, I mean these people are invaders. And yet as you mentioned in Israel they are not taking in any refugees. And I mean there are other examples of jewish hypocrisy. But this one is so blatant and in your face and it is so relevant today, obviously with what is going on in Europe.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Hypocrisy is mainly a point of view that appeals to Whites. It’s how we see the world as. The world should be fair and equal and whatever. We view it objectively, right?</span></p>
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<p><b></b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Hypocrisy is mainly a point of view that appeals to Whites. It’s how we see the world as. The world should be fair and equal and whatever. We view it objectively, right? Objective groups in competition. We duke it out, man to man, and at sunrise with pistols, with swords, or whatever. That tradition, that mindset.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> Whereas the jews, &#8230; What’s behind this supposed hypocrisy, this double standard, is really just the single standard of what’s best for jews. And what’s best for the jews and Israel is different from what’s best for jews outside of Israel. Outside of Israel the jews want to be treated as one of many types of people where they can be free to foment division and exploit divisions amongst other people. And so having open borders everywhere here so that they can move freely about, and so that they can move other people freely about is what’s in their best interest. Whereas, in Israel, that is their home, that is their nest. They don’t want to screw that up.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yes, that is a good way of looking at it. Now, I’m curious. Are you familiar with “<b><i>Dispossessed Majority</i></b>” by Wilmont Robertson?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Another book that I have not read cover to cover, but I&#8217;ve read large sections of.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>That is a phenomenal book actually, I think.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I like the book overall, but I think he minimizes the <em>Jewish Problem</em>. I think, for instance, he doesn’t state it as the <em>Jewish Problem</em>, he just lists Jews as one of the unassimmulatable minorities alongside Greeks, southern Italians and a few other groups that he, &#8230; He basically, &#8230; His language to me is where the weakness begins. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">That this thinking of things in terms of majority and minority. Instead of saying White, he, &#8230; Another thing that I remember about his point of view is that he really disliked the term, &#8220;<em>White</em>&#8220;. And for good reason I think, because White and been used by the jews. They had basically shoehorned their way into America by making the argument that they were White. And being mistaken as White by amps who had control to exclude them at that point, on the basis that they weren’t White. You brought it up earlier that America, when it was founded, I think they thought that they were leaving the <em>Jewish Problem</em> behind in Europe. And that there wasn’t that many jews in America, and that there wasn’t going to be a problem with jews anyway because jews started off emancipated in the US. Whereas they still weren’t fully emancipated in Europe at the time. They just started off as equal and White in America, at least the Germanized, Western jews that were in America at that time.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But in the 1880s when the Eastern European jews started flooding into America, it was obvious that these were alien people with alien patterns of thinking and hostile to amps. And many amps pointed this out. But Wilmont Robertson was long past. He should have had the benefit of hindsight, writing in the 70s as he was., you know, to just sort of, &#8230; I don’t want to accuse him of pussyfooting, he used that term, or truckling, &#8230; That there were certain Whites in power at the time that obviously had some sort of racial consciousness, like Richard Nixon. And he was, &#8230; In fact the title of his book, “<b><i>Dispossessed Majority</i></b>” was a play on some term that Nixon used at the time. I forget what it was now.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But, the, &#8230; Back to the language of majority versus minority. Majority is not what makes us, us! We can be in the minority and White is still important. And even White, if you don’t like the term White because it let’s jews in, well, then that means that you have should be more explicit in saying: “<i>No, jews are not White. They are the enemy of Whites</i>”. And I understand that some people are very north western European, entirely</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">In their heritage and that they want to preserve that, so that they are very stand offish towards Whites that are further out on the fringes of Europe. Perfectly understandable, and perfectly defensible. They should just be able to say:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“This is our country. We created this country. We are north-western European is and we are not going to let you in, not because we are the majority, but because we are north-western European is. We are related to each other. We are more closely related to each other than we are to you!<i>”</i></span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so, I see no problem in, you know, having different gradations of, and different levels of clustering of race. Race, you know, is not a black and white thing necessarily. Of a particular group to exist it has to make a distinction between “<i>Us</i>” and “<i>Them</i>”! It’s a very basic biological distinction, and over time it’s what produces speciation.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Populations, even if they start out being totally related to each other, they cleave for some reason. Geography is often what’s to do with it, amongst humans or hominids it has to do with language and cultural differences, but then it’s like the law of entropy in physics. In species, speciation is the natural way of things. This constant dividing of different species into other species, into other separate groups that breed amongst each other exclusively. And if they do that long enough then they actually become incapable of breeding with each other over time.</span></p>
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<p><strong>JF:</strong> Hmm. Interesting. OK, I wanted to move on here and talk about this, &#8230; It’s sort about, &#8230; Well I guess in the past couple of years I hear people talking and writing more and more about it, and that’s this idea of pathological altruism. Which is put forth, &#8230; I mean, I’ve heard Dr. Kevin MacDonald write about it and talk about it., you know, all sorts of pro-white intellectuals and activists and what not.</p>
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<p><strong>Jared Taylor</strong> comes to mind as well. And, I mean, I think that there maybe is something to this idea of pathological altruism, but from the way that I understand a lot of their arguments, they seem to be basically saying that this is something that is innate, like an innate weakness in White people. And I don’t really agree with that. And after hearing some of your critiques of this idea of pathological altruism, I think that there is a root cause of pathological altruism. There is something that is making us this way. It’s not something that’s necessarily innate within us and I think that’s more of the argument that someone like Dr. Kevin MacDonald or Jared Taylor would be making. What are your thoughts on this? And maybe if I got anything wrong there, please go ahead and clarify.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>TAN:</strong> Well I think I’m the main critic. I’m the one who basically started this. Because what I saw from my point of view, it started about two years ago, this talk about white pathology and it solidified ultimately into pathological altruism as the specific pathology that people were talking about. And it definitely has broad appeal. I saw it being echoed in many different places. But I didn’t like it from the beginning, because I thought, “<i>White pathology?</i>” That’s describing the symptoms, it’s not describing the cause. What is the cause? That’s my main critique of it, is if you’ve got a pathology, well, what’s the pathogen? Where’s the germ that’s creating this problem, as you’ve said?</span></p>
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<p><strong>JF:</strong> I’m sorry Tan, really quick. How would you describe “<i>pathological altruism</i>”. What are the main points of this argument? Just so people have an understanding of what we mean by, “<i>pathological altruism</i>”.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>TAN:</strong> Right, it’s a technical term. Altruism as from biology and the study of all species, not just how humans behave. But in this case it’s specifically about White people. Altruism is when a person or an organism makes a personal sacrifice that benefits someone else. And it becomes pathological altruism when it’s benefiting your enemy or someone who’s totally alien from you.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s one thing to be altruistic towards your kids or, sorry, your sibling’s offspring, towards your nieces and nephews. They’re not directly your offspring, but you still share some genes with them and you still share some interests with them biologically, culturally. So it makes sense and likewise to the people around you in your race. They are all within the same gene pool with you, they are much more likely to share cultural and political interests with you, than complete strangers, complete genetic, biological aliens.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So pathological altruism is this idea, as you said, you put it very well, what I sensed in it too, in my critique of it is that it’s basically an accusation that Whites are born losers. That we’re born to just give away and born to just be suicidal. That’s what I immediately connected it to was my previous critique of people who looked at what’s going wrong, they sense that something’s wrong, they look around and then they’ve got these people who tell them it’s suicide. Europeans are just killing themselves. I hated that before White pathology came along. As far as I’m concerned White pathology is basically the, “<i>Suicide Meme 2.0</i>”. It’s a refinement.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>It’s a more intellectual variation of it.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yeah, but like I say, it’s an explanation supposedly for people who are deciding that’s somethings wrong, that they want to know what’s wrong. It’s an answer to their question. And White pathology is more specific than suicide. Pathological altruism is more specific that White pathology.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, if you think, &#8230; Remember, this idea comes from<strong> Jared Taylor</strong>. He’s the main proponent of this White pathology, this pathological altruism idea. The thing about Jared Taylor is that he presents himself as pro-White, but he also at the same time says, “j<i>ews are White</i>”, that they look White to him. He talks about race very explicitly, but for him race means black and White or black and White and brown and yellow. But jews are a totally separate problem in his opinion, that it’s unrelated.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He mentioned one time, when he was put on the spot about this, that he doesn’t want to be, “<em>considered a crank on two issues at one time</em>”. And I thought, that’s really curious, because race and the Jews are intimately related to each other. They’re basically the same problem. The reason why anti-racism exists is because the jews drive it. The jews are the one attacking Whites, calling us racists, psychopathologising us for even thinking in terms of race, it’s the jews doing that! Now, I don’t know how Jared Taylor could think about race, day in and day out, and not realise that the jews are genetically distinct, that they have this hostility, ideologically and politically to Whites and that it’s a historic problem, it’s been going on for millennia.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">At first I was very charitable toward Jared Taylor because I saw him as a pro-White voice. He’s out in the open under his own name organising activity, writing very eloquently and speaking very eloquently. But on this issue of the jews, he is dishonest at the very least. I don’t think that he’s self deceiving himself. I don’t think that he really thinks that this is some sort of clever strategy that he’s gonna sneak up on the jews, because if he does, he’s a fool.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">You can’t sneak up on the jews. The jews are far more racially conscious than any White person I’ve ever read. Even Hitler talks about how he was naive about the jews and learned about the jews only later in life. And that’s the general trend with Whites, that we only wake up to this late in life, if we wake up to it at all. Whereas jews are teaching their young that the <strong>Amalekites*</strong> need to be genocided. That the anti-semites need to be hunted down. That the Nazis need to be not tolerated, killed.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">* [There is no archaeological or epigraphic evidence for the existence of the <strong>Amalekites</strong>; all sources mentioning them are either directly based on the Hebrew Bible, or of a far later date than the presumed time of their existence.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">In the Hebrew Bible, the Amalekites were a nomadic, or semi-nomadic people who inhabited ancient Israel. They are commonly considered to be Amalek’s descendants through the genealogy of Esau. This is probably based on the association of this tribal group with the steppe region of the Negev and the area of Kadesh (Genesis 14:7). As a people, the Amalekites are identified as a recurrent enemy of the Israelites.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">In Judaism, the Amalekites came to represent the archetypal enemy of the jews. In the jewish folklore the Amalekites are considered to be the symbol of evil.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">S<b>ource</b>: Https: ed / en.wikipedia.orged wikied Amalek]</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>The Klan, racists, yeah.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>They are trained as soldiers from the get go. From the time that they can first speak. They go to special jewish schools for that purpose. Whereas Whites go to schools where jews are the teachers, teaching them that Whiteness is bad. Racism. Giving us the complete opposite story.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Exactly! And they’re forcing our kids to go to school with Negroes and all sorts of other non-Whites and we’re taught that Whites are the most evil people on the face of the planet and we’re responsible for slavery and the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8221; and genocide. You name it, it goes on and on and on.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>That’s how pathological altruism comes in.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah. I was gonna say real quick [that] I agree with most of what you just said about it. This idea that White people collectively as societies, our governments for example, and other White institutions and organisations, the Catholic Church and some of these other mainstream Christian organisations, the idea that they are literally putting the interests of other racial groups of hostile alien racial groups ahead of their own. That is obviously what is going on, that’s public policy in the United States. That’s how many organisations operate in the United States.</p>
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<p>But I don’t think that it’s really something that’s innate within us, I think it’s a result of propaganda. I think it’s a result of the White race being entirely deracinated, you know, at least collectively. And fundamentally I think that it is a result of the Jews, of the parasitic, subversive nature of the jews and what they do to us when we don’t recognise them as the alien, hostile race of people that they really are.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[49:53]</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Right. They have agency. They are very, very active. They are very, very conscious. They are more conscious than Whites are as to their interests as a group, their existence as a group and what they need to do to not only survive, but thrive. And Whites are not. And part of the reason why Whites are not, the largest part, the proximate cause, as a lawyer would say, is jews. That is the first approximation, that is the number one cause of this. Now, my critique of pathological altruism, &#8230; What really set me off was when I noticed that every time it came up, the specific examples that I saw being offered, &#8230;</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>What is pathological altruism exactly, can you point to something concrete?</i>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It was always things like “<i>cat ladies</i>” or people who adopt alien babies from Africa or Asia. And, you know, basically they would previously said White liberalism. You know, what is “<i>liberalism</i>”? It’s a vague term. But these are specific examples, this, “<i>cat lady</i>” and alien adoption thing. And what I noticed about this is, &#8230; This is not a cause. This is a symptom of the poisonous media that is what’s presented by this jewish media as good and right is this kind of stuff. And it’s no wonder that people go and do it!, you know, people naturally do what they look around and they everyone else clucking about, either in favor of or against.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so we have stopped being a racially conscious group where we talked about miscegenation as if it was a bad thing. Now we are talking about “<i>miscegenation as a bad thing</i>” as a bad thing! Because of the jews. It wasn’t as if White people decided to that on our own.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right! It’s a direct result of jewish propaganda.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Of enemy activity. Yes! If the enemy drops bombs on your city, do you blame yourself of letting your city burn? No! The enemy dropped bombs on you. You fight the fires, but you don’t lie to yourself that you caused the fires!</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right. So what I think it boils down to is that the root cause of pathological altruism, you know, among White people is two interrelated factors. Number one is the denial of race. The denial that White people have interests and that we need to be concerned about them and to think racially. But also sort of, you know, obviously very much related to this, is the <em>Jewish Problem</em>!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yep.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>And what the Jews are up to and what their agenda is. So I mean, if with continue to deny these realities that we need to deal with, then we are going to continue to suffer this “<i>pathological altruism</i>”. And we are going to continue to watch our countries and our nations to crumble.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yes. So as far as MacDonald goes, he has taken up this White pathology and pathological altruism argument. He got it from <strong>Jared Taylor</strong>. I think he parrots it because he respects Jared Taylor as a colleague, another academic intellectual type who has pro-White intentions. I think he is mistaken there. But, MacDonald is responsible for taking it a step further. MacDonald has actually tried to come up with a thesis that literally roots it in our genes.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He argued that, this pathological altruism is inborn and comes from our Ice Age hunter gather ancestors. That because of the climate in which White people evolved for 15,000 years during the Ice Ages. That, that laid the pattern in our genes, that with are genetically programmed to be egalitarian and tolerant and that we have moral, that we form moral groups rather than ethnic groups. That we have groups based on ideas rather than family relations like Middle Easterners do, like the jews do.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I think that, you know, that could all be very true, &#8230; But I think, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>I was going to say, I think, I think there is something to a lot his arguments. But maybe we just interpret them differently.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Well, one problem is this., you know, he points to Sweden as the epitome of the White pathological altruism, White pathology. And the problem with that is, &#8230; He says it’s because Northern Europeans are the most hunter gatherer of all the different European is. They have the most hunter gatherers. They also have the most Ayran in them genetically. And the Ayran mindset is completely at odds with squishy, wishy washy liberal attitude. There are some similarities.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I haven’t really written about this before, but I thought about it, how, you know, egalitarianism is not purely a hunter gatherer thing. You can see elements of it in this “<i>band of brothers</i>” peer type attitude that even the Ayrans had. That they were amongst equals of the nobility at least. That they saw an aristocracy. They saw differences and the need for a hierarchy. But amongst the people at the top, the Aryans at the top who were running whatever society they conquered, they saw themselves as a band of brothers, as equals in a way within that group.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[55:08]</b></span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah, and I think some of these qualities and characteristics that MacDonald talks about and, you know, sort of ties it to evolution and how Whites evolved throughout the ice age and what not and the geography that we were living in, and what not. I think that there is something to these arguments, but I think that what’s even more important is that the Jews sort of recognise these traits and exploit them to the hilt. I mean really, they understand our psychology. They have really studied these things. Look at <strong>Bernays*</strong> and all these other Jewish propagandists. They know how to do this stuff scientifically.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">* [<strong>Edward Louis Bernays</strong> (November 22, 1891 – March 9, 1995) is considered one of the fathers of the field of public relations along with Ivy Lee. Combining the ideas of Gustave Le Bon and Wilfred Trotter on crowd psychology with the psychoanalytical ideas of his uncle, Sigmund Freud, Bernays was one of the first to attempt to manipulate public opinion using the subconscious.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">He felt this manipulation was necessary in society, which he regarded as irrational and dangerous as a result of the ‘herd instinct’ that Trotter had described. Adam Curtis’s award-winning 2002 documentary for the <b>BBC</b>, <b><i>The Century of the Self</i></b>, pinpoints Bernays as the originator of modern public relations, and Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by <b><i>Life</i></b> magazine.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Born 1891 in Vienna to jewish parents, Bernays was nephew to psychoanalyst pioneer Sigmund Freud. His father was Ely Bernays, brother of Freud’s wife Martha Bernays. His mother was Freud’s sister, Anna. In 1892 his family moved to New York City. In 1912 he graduated from Cornell University with a degree in agriculture, but chose journalism as his first career. He married to Doris E. Fleischman in 1922.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">In the 1920s, working for the American Tobacco Company, he sent a group of young models to march in the New York City parade. He then told the press that a group of women’s rights marchers would light “<i>Torches of Freedom</i>”. On his signal, the models lit Lucky Strike cigarettes in front of the eager photographers. <b><i>The New York Times</i></b> (one April 1929) printed: “<i>Group of Girls Puff at Cigarettes as a Gesture of ‘Freedom’</i>”. This helped to break the taboo against women smoking in public. During this decade he also handled publicity for the NAACP.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Source: Http: ed / en.metapedia.orged wikied Edwardtion Louistion Bernays]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yes. Manipulative. They are manipulative and they’re ruthless in the manipulation. They are hyper aware, hyper sensitive and willing to do whatever they have to do to manipulate their host to behave however they need it to behave. The thing about MacDonald is you can use his own arguments that he makes in <b><i>Culture of Critique</i></b> and he’s made since. He went on, &#8230; He had two recent interviews with Nordfront that were very, very good. I recommend to anyone who likes MacDonald. And he himself lays out that he thinks culture is very important and that it’s critical. That’s why he wrote a book about the culture of critique.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And yet, as I say, the jewish influence in recent history is the proximate cause for the degeneracy that we see around us. All the stuff that people point at and say, “<i>That’s pathological altruism</i>”. Well, the jewish finger prints are all over it! The jewish control and dominance of the media and the sick messages that they send out, portraying this degeneracy as normal, as heroic, as something to celebrate! That’s the number one cause of the degeneracy that you see. It’s people ingesting that poison and it’s no wonder that people get sick and die from that kind of stuff.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yes. Very well said, and I want to talk more about the jewish media here in a few minutes. Really quickly, you mention this idea of White suicide and this is something that I have heard Jared Taylor talk about this idea of White suicide, how Whites are literally committing suicide and implementing policies that are suicidal in nature.</p>
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<p>And again I think that is a very flawed argument because I think they are not suicidal, I think they’re genocidal and they are coming from the organised jewish community and their puppets., you know, their goyim puppets in key positions of power and influence in America, certainly. And you know, what’s incredible is really, most important positions in the federal government, in Congress in the Obama Administration are actually controlled by jews themselves. So it’s certainly not suicidal if the jews, a racial foreign element, are implementing policies that are destructive to us. That’s not suicide, that’s genocide.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>That’s right. That’s right. They don’t identify positively with Whites, in fact they identify negatively. They see Whites as the enemy. So, yes, it’s not suicide. The number one tip off is that suicide is a very personal decision. You consciously decide, “<i>I’m gonna end my life</i>” for whatever reason and you do it. That’s suicide.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What’s happening is the people who actually control the levers of power or at least have some sort of influence over it. They are the figure heads, for instance the President of the United States, the President of various other countries in Europe. They are not suicidal, they are almost the polar opposite. They are so concerned about themselves and their own personal interests and that’s really what the problem is, is the over-concern for personal interests and a complete lack of consideration for their race, for the larger group. They think that they can live without their larger group.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>And that to me is the epitome of this idea of Whites being deracinated. There’s a disconnect between Whites as individuals and Whites as a wider community, a wider racial community.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Right.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>And we have to understand that. We have to understand that we are part of a wider community and we have to start thinking in these terms if we want to compete and eventually retake our countries. I think that is happening. I think there are more people realising these sorts of things. Go ahead.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Beyond merely competing, we have to go beyond seeing the jews as yet another group that wants to exploit us. That’s when we come to what is a better thesis for understanding the relationship between Whites and jews, is parasitism.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[60:02]</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">That if you look at it in biological terms, and the Jews are constantly dropping hints that you should look at it in biological terms. When they talk about ant-semitism, they talk about it as a disease. They talk about it as an infection. As a virulent thing. And the reality is, &#8230; If you look up virulence you find out, &#8230; What does virulence mean? Virulence is the technical term for the damage that a parasite causes it’s host. That’s what virulence is. The more virulent a parasite is the more damaging it is, the more deadly it is to it’s host.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And actually, the Nordfront guys brought up a point that a true parasite basically can co-exist with it’s host for an extended period of time, whereas a parasite-like entity that kills it’s hosts is called a parasitoid.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Interesting!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I thought that’s interesting. A fine distinction. They’re parasitic basically and that’s the best way, I think, to make sense of all of it. All of the pieces fall into place when you understand it that way.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Many, many people, even people who aren’t racialists have written about the financial parasitism of the banker class or the donor class or whatever. That they are behaving in a parasitic way, financially. Well, financial <span style="color: #008000;">[parasitism]</span> is just one aspect of the whole thing. The Israel lobby in Zionism, is another, more, &#8230; It’s related to money, but it’s also about sovereignty, it’s about redirecting the resources of many other nations to the benefit of Israel. Shipping them money, shipping them arms, making promises to protect them. The leaders of the United States and European countries say things in defence of jews and Israel that they would never say about even defending their own countries that they run! And, you know, Trump is a good example of that.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right. That was actually the next topic. I mean, this idea of, &#8230; Really the most accurate way of viewing the Jew is as a parasite, right? I mean, that is really [true] in my opinion. And I think you’ve elaborated on this in great detail on some of your radio shows about this reality. I mean, that is the way, you know, we have to understand these people.</p>
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<p>Again, this is something that the Germans talked about, you know, the National Socialists clearly understood this and wrote about it. And, you know, made it a central aspect of what they were trying to communicate to the German people.</p>
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<p>As you mentioned there’s many forms of this parasitism, financial, obviously political. Look at the holocaust industry. This is in my view the most outrageous and truly infuriating and blood boiling, &#8230; I mean, I cannot stand these jews and this fake “<i>Holocaust</i>” story. And the way they just exploit us financially, emotionally, culturally. You can’t avoid the “<i>Holocaust</i>” in the West today.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>That’s right. The elements of the parasitism that came to me, that stood out to me were the infiltration, the manipulation, the exploitation. This pretty much covers all of what the Jews do, how they do it and that all points to parasitism. They are exploiting secretively, furtively, they are exploiting a host. They do whatever they can to subdue our defences, in fact what the jews have done is they’ve hijacked our defences, they’ve actually turned our defensive mechanisms, our defensive institutions into institutions that benefit them. That protect them, within our own countries. And the “<i>Holocaust</i>” is a big part of that.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yes, and that kind of gets into the next topic. And that’s this “<i>cuckservative</i>” meme that is a relatively phenomenon. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you write and talk about this subject, but I’m curious. What are your general thought on it? And the idea that it expresses, because I think it’s a very powerful, devastating critique of American politics.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>It is devastating. I think most of the people who use the term are not even really fully conscious of just what it is they’re implying. I think many people are talking about it in terms of the inter-racial sex fetish. That cuckolding fetish. But it really traces back, &#8230; The root of the whole concept is the exploitation of a parasite, of its host and the cuckoo bird. You know, how the cuckoo bird is this giant bird, comes lays this giant egg in some smaller birds nest and then that giant egg hatches into a giant, screeching, demanding chick, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Just a disgusting bird.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[65:00]</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>TAN: </strong>It hatches early. It’s genetically different than the bird it’s parasitising and it kicks out their eggs and then screeches at the top of it’s lungs to be serviced by the other bird. And if you dig deeper into even that, and I haven’t heard anybody but Jews really go into this, &#8230; There’s one jewish biologist that wrote about this. How a cuckoo bird, actually&#8230; There is a struggle between the cuckoo parasite and it’s host. The host that tries to defend itself, by say, knocking the cuckoo bird egg out, the cuckoos will come and punish that bird by destroying it’s nest.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so, there’s a give and take, there’s a push back and forth. And I see that even, &#8230; I haven’t dug into the details of it yet. There’s still lots to do with demonstrating the Jewish parasitism of Europeans over the course of millennia. But one of the elements that you should see if it is parasitism is you should see some attempts by Europeans to sort of adapt and do something to defend themselves. In fact, you could see all of the expulsions that Europeans have done over the centuries as one bit of evidence in that Europeans have tried to defend themselves. It’s not suicide, they’ve repeatedly tried to defend themselves but they are never able to achieve full consciousness and they just end up kicking the problem next door.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s like, if you’ve got roaches in a motel and you just gas one apartment, the roaches move next door to the other apartments and then ultimately they filter right back in to the apartment that was cleaned out and that’s what, &#8230; The Jews have actually adapted to that kind of treatment of them over time too. They’ve counter-adapted to being expelled. It’s part of their life-cycle now, being expelled. They’ve made it into their narrative.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The holocaust narrative is really just the most recent example of the narrative that they’ve been telling for two thousand years, about how they’ve been horribly oppressed by every host that they’ve ever tried to exploit, and it’s become the story that they tell. George Lincoln Rockwell wrote a great metaphorical story about it, “<b><i>The Ducks and Geese</i></b>”. The parable of the ducks and geese.[Actually it&#8217;s, &#8220;<span class="Apple-style-span"><strong><em><a href="http://www.heretical.com/pubs/fabledh.html" rel="nofollow">The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens</a></em></strong>&#8220;]</span></span></p>
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<p><strong>JF: </strong>And we see how, not only how important this fake holocaust story and just this narrative of jewish persecution is. We see how central this is to their over all agenda. But, I mean, it’s just something that defines them as jews, it’s a central aspect of their jewish identity. There’s public polls, the Pew Research Center does research on different ethnic groups in America. And the most important aspect of jewish identity, when you ask jews and when you poll jews, whether it’s in America or anywhere really in the whole world, is their identification with this fake “<em>Holocaust</em>” story. And that they’re victims and that their people have this history of oppression and the whole world hates them. It’s a central aspect.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>TAN:</strong> Right. That is the number one answer that they provided as to what it was that made them identify as jews. That is the number one thing that they cite themselves. Jews polling jews or Pew polling jews about it.</span></p>
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<p><strong>JF: </strong>Exactly. You know, another interesting aspect of jewish parasitism and just how effective it’s been and how out of control it is in America, is again, going back to this idea of a cuckservative. We have these mostly White guys in the GOP, in the Republican party, who portray themselves as these great American patriots. When in reality all they are doing is serving the interests of Jews, on every single key aspect of public policy. Whether it’s foreign policy, domestic policy, they always bow down to the Jews; and yet they’re able to effectively present themselves as these American patriots and American heroes.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>TAN: </strong>Right. Yes, they’re not cat ladies. They’re selling out their own kind, either consciously or unconsciously for their own personal benefit. For power, for fame, for fortune, whatever it is that drives them to do it. Or, &#8230; There’s also an angle to it of vicarious racial identity. That they know they can’t identify as White. I think of this when I think of people like Limbaugh and Coulter and Hannity, although less. I think they’re waking up to it a little bit themselves, but in the past it seemed to me like, they, &#8230; People like that take a certain joy out of talking about jews, like they’re this people to sympathise with and to defend and to give your life in their defence. <span style="color: #008000;">[It]</span> just makes you the most wonderful person in the world. And the cuckservative thing cuts through all that! And even more specifically, “<i>kikeservative</i>”, emphasises the fact that what they’re doing is sick.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[70:00]</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If you want to talk about White pathology, that’s the number one evidence of White pathology is when people actively identify with their enemy, and talk about their enemy in these glowing, positive terms. You’ve got to be mentally ill.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah, they literally are servicing their own racial enemy. The racial element that wants to destroy everything that they stand for. I mean it’s amazing.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I don’t mean to cop out and say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, they’ve got to be crazy!”</i> because I think that’s what it is.</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">When people say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>My enemy is stupid</i>” or, “<i>My enemy is crazy</i>” what that really is, is they are copping out saying, “<i>I can’t explain it</i>” or, “<i>I don’t want to explain it so I’m just gonna call it stupid or crazy</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The reality is that I think there is a way to make sense of what these people are doing. Which is that they just don’t care about their race. They in fact think that their race is a liability and they need to cut the chord with their race in order to progress, to make their career, or to at lest maintain their career. That they have to act like they don’t care. They have to show that they don’t care.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s becoming more and more obvious, this, “<i>Black Lives Matter</i>” thing and what happened at Mizzou (University of Missouri). Where you’re basically now being pressured if you’re in any form of position of power as a White man, or White woman, to renounce your race and accept guilt for your race.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">That’s part of what I didn’t like about White pathology also, is it’s basically related to that, what White liberals do, denouncing their Whiteness. When White racialists talk about White pathology and pathological altruism, what are they doing? They’re not saying they, themselves, are born pathological, that they are behaving pathologically. No, it’s those other Whites! It gives them a sort of boost in their brain to say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh yeah, I’m not broken, but all those other Whites are.</i>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s taking responsibility in the most dishonest way, of not really taking responsibility yourself, personally, but saying somebody else is responsible for it. And the funny thing about that is when I made this critique, the very first thing and the loudest criticism of me, that comes at me was:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh you just want to blame the Jeeews for everything, you want to shift all the blame to the Jews</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s a stupid argument. It’s simplistic and it’s easy to take it apart. What I’m actually arguing is that there’s two here, there’s at least two parties involved, jews and Whites, and they’re in conflict. And it’s not that it’s just the jews or just Whites. It’s the people who say it’s suicide that are really saying that there’s no jews involved:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Don’t pay any attention to those jews behind the curtain</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>JF: </b>Exactly, it’s all dumb Whitey’s fault. Now, there’s a couple other topics that I wanted to wrap up with here and one of them is, two of the most important issues in my opinion. Two issues that are central not only to the White struggle but just the struggle for truth and honesty and decency and some sort of integrity in our society is being honest about the true history of World War Two, so “<i>Revisionism</i>”. And then 9/11 truth. You know, being honest about 9/11 and what really happened and who was really behind it. And it sounds like, based on your comment earlier in this interview, you might disagree with me on 9/11.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I’m just curious, what role do you see for Revisionists, for people that are doing critical research into World War Two, into World War One, into this alleged jewish “<i>Holocaust</i>” story? Which in my view has been thoroughly and conclusively debunked once and for all. We have the evidence and proof to explain everything that we’re saying about this event, this alleged event. So I’m curious, what are your thoughts on these two important topics?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I think different things, different issues appeal to different people, because of where they’re coming from, where their background is. I think in general, what you’re getting at is there are these other, sort of related movements that are on the periphery of the White struggle, what you called, &#8230; Is being pro-White, having a racial identity and fighting for your race and those other things attract truth seekers. That’s the general description you could give to it. There are people that sense there is a problem. They don’t accept the mainstream narrative, the mainstream explanation for what the problems are.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[75:00]</b></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">As I’ve pointed out many times the mainstream explanation of what’s wrong is racism! Whites, White supremacy! Those are the problems according to the Jewish mainstream narrative. And there are people who that doesn’t compute with. I mean they look at things like 9/11, they look at things like the “<i>Holocaust</i>”, &#8230; Other things that I could think of that are similar, &#8230; Men’s Rights or even the Counter Jihad people. They are all coming at it from different angles. It reminds me of that cartoon or parable of the elephant, the wise men, &#8230; The blind wise men and the elephant. They all feel a different part of the elephant, they all describe it in a different way. But it’s all connected and it’s all, you know, the Jews are all behind it.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/White-Glossary-The-Jewelephant.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-19418 size-full" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/White-Glossary-The-Jewelephant.jpg" alt="" width="1167" height="785" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/White-Glossary-The-Jewelephant.jpg 1167w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/White-Glossary-The-Jewelephant-300x202.jpg 300w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/White-Glossary-The-Jewelephant-768x517.jpg 768w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/White-Glossary-The-Jewelephant-1024x689.jpg 1024w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1167px) 100vw, 1167px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] The jewish elephant and the blind wise men.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The problem with these other things, whether it’s 9/11 truth and maybe to a lesser extent “<i>Holocaust</i>” revisionism, but certainly with Men’s Rights and certainly with Counter Jihad is that it’s full of jews. There are Jews trying to derail you. There are jews trying to get you stuck just there, &#8230; Don’t go any further! Don’t think about White racial consciousness. A lot of the people involved aren’t White or are only half White. And there are a lot of half jews or part Jews are there to. Who are pretending to be White. And there are a lot of gate keeping going on. So it’s a two edged sword.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Those other related areas, 9/11 included, are ways in which people see that there is something wrong with the system. And for them different things are the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and hopefully they then proceed through the gate to full racial consciousness, to full truth of it all.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/The-Realist-Report-with-Chris-Bollyn-Sep-2018-COVER.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-20734 size-full" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/The-Realist-Report-with-Chris-Bollyn-Sep-2018-COVER.jpg" alt="" width="642" height="977" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/The-Realist-Report-with-Chris-Bollyn-Sep-2018-COVER.jpg 642w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/The-Realist-Report-with-Chris-Bollyn-Sep-2018-COVER-197x300.jpg 197w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 642px) 100vw, 642px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">See: <a style="color: #008000;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2018/09/23/the-realist-report-with-christopher-bollyn-sep-2018-transcript/">The Realist Report with Christopher Bollyn – Sep 2018 — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Absolutely! And in my opinion, I mean, the racial issues are by far, you know, the most issues that I’m dealing with. But I do think that revisionism and 9/11 truth, and just being honest about the nature of the media and the Jewish media and how it’s being used to deceive us and what not. Just being, you know, being honest about all these subjects. I think it’s important and critical for our success.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I do agree with you, there are a lot of people in 9/11 truth that really kind of get bogged down and they, you know, they don’t continue to progress to where we are at, where we are talking about these issues.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I’ve read people that have come through 9/11 truth. Mike Delaney is one that I think of that have pointed out that there’s lots and lots of jews. They are creating disinformation. So they sense that there is something there that needs to be covered up. They sense that it’s a weak point. And they flood in there as gate keepers, as charlatans to keep people busy poking around all the different theories there.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>My own opinion about 9/11 is, “<i>I don’t know</i>” I wasn’t there. I’m not involved with it directly, I don’t know anyone directly, &#8230; Well, actually I knew a few people who were involved, who were at Ground Zero, &#8230; I don’t know anybody who was directly killed, they wouldn’t be able to tell me anything anyway. But, the thing is it’s, it’s some, &#8230; Whatever happened there is, &#8230; The argument that I often hear is, the argument that you laid out pretty well. The jews or Israel did 9/11. And we can be certain of that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I would only say to that, is we can’t be certain. I don’t know that for certain that it was the president of Israel or a bunch of Israelis that planned the whole thing and did it. You get into these gradations of argument where you can argue endlessly. Just how much did Israel do? Did they, at the very least, &#8230; And what I’m comfortable with accepting is that they know that there were Muslims that were doing it. And that they didn’t in any way communicate to United States security that, that this was going to happen. So they didn’t prevent it. And you get finer, more and more gradations all the way to a surreal, &#8230; It was all just crisis actors, &#8230; It didn’t really happen. It was just a Hollywood production.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I understand why people can go that far, because they see Hollywood productions, &#8230; But, they see what the jews are capable of putting up on the screen, you know, that they can manufacture things that look real, &#8230; But, to me that is not necessary. I don’t even need to dig into the details of 9/11. By the time people told me that I should look into 9/11, I was well past that. I already understood that, &#8230; I understood race, and I understand that the jews are the enemy.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, once you understand that, I think that is really what the important thing is. This other things, 9/11, the “<i>Holocaust</i>”, all the details of the “<i>Holocaust</i>”, arguing that amongst each other, Men’s Rights, Counter Jihad, &#8230; All that stuff just becomes peripheral, once you realize that race is real, the White race is what is important to you, &#8230; And the Jews are the biggest enemy of that, &#8230; Then yes, you could say that the jews are capable of just about anything.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[80:00]</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The Jews give the commands to our government. Sure, Jews rule! I mean, if not directly occupying the office of the President, they are the ones who narrate our imaginations. Using their control of the media, they put the ideas in our heads as to what is good and what is bad and with that power, it’s like the power to print money, there’s almost infinite spill-over from that into other things.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I want to say, though, that it’s not infinite. The Jews do not have infinite control and that’s what makes me sceptical about elaborate things, like 9/11 or some of these other things that people say are just hoaxes, entirely. Even when they say the “<i>Holocaust</i>” was a hoax, or the “<i>Holocaust</i>”, the Germans had camps. They put Jews in those camps. They distinguished Jews from themselves racially, biologically. That is real. The hoax part is the soap and the lamp shades and the six million, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>And the gas chambers, yeah.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>… and all of the exaggerations that the jews tell about it. But it goes deeper than just the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8220;, even. It’s questioning the jews on any aspect of their history. Take disagreeing with the jews about the fact that they are victims, historically. That’s as bad as “<i>Holocaust</i>” denial. It maybe doesn’t have a word for it other than anti-semitism, anything more specific than that. But that is really what you need to do is realise that the whole thing is a lie. Not just the “<i>Holocaust</i>”, but their whole history from their point of view, is a lie.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And this is another point to make, is history itself is a story from a certain point of view. People like to describe history as having an objective basis in reality. And yes, there are facts upon which given history is based. Events happen. But even when you have something that happened recently. If you have two people involved and you both of their stories you’re gonna get two different versions of what happened. Which one is true? It’s hard to tell. And even you standing outside of it listening to both sides, you create a third opinion, a third view of what happened. I’m not trying to say that it’s all relative but it’s more relative I think than most people give credit to. I’m a rational, logical person. I believe in reality based, &#8230; I believe in science. I’m grounded in that way and I’m sceptical of arguments based on just hand waving and assertion, you know, saying:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>You’ve got to believe this otherwise you’re stupid</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And that’s one of the things that’s left a bad taste in my mouth about 9/11, is when people come and make an argument like that to me:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh, you believe that 12 Arabs or 19 Arabs did 9/11? You’ve got to be an idiot!”</i></span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Actually I just don’t know. And I know I don’t trust my government, I know I think my government answers to jews and serves jews more than it serves it’s own citizenry. I know that that’s a fraud. I know (Franz) Boas was a fraud. What more do you need to know other than jews are the enemy. Why dig into the details?</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>That’s fair enough, I understand where you’re coming from.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>I’m not opposed to the people who want to spend their life digging into the details of <strong>9/11</strong> or the &#8220;<strong><em>Holocaust</em></strong>&#8221; or any of the other aspects. That research is valuable because then you can, like MacDonald’s books, you can point at it, you can say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>OK, I can build from there. I can stand on the shoulders of those giants and I can do something beyond that. Something meta. Taking their results and all the detailed arguments that they’ve laid out and going beyond it</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah, OK, that’s fair enough. I have a much clearer perspective of where you’re coming from on these issues, so thanks for clarifying all that. And I totally hear what you’re saying, it’s a good argument although, obviously I’d probably disagree slightly.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Now to wrap up here I just wanted to get your take on Trump, on Donald Trump especially and just the Presidential campaign in general. I’ve been frankly very impressed with Donald Trump. I’m not trying to say he’s some kind of White nationalist or anything like that, but I think he’s saying a lot of very important things and I do find him to be a genuine person and I think he’s running a brilliant campaign. So, what’s your take?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>He’s definitely creating an earthquake and several earthquakes, a daily earthquake, you know:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>What did Trump do today to turn things upside down?”</i></span></p></blockquote>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right!</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[85:00]</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>And in that respect it’s good. I think, first of all, though, Trump is an example, a physical example of how the Jews infiltrate, how they intermarry with the non-jewish elite and form alliances with them and together how this goes forward. You know, Trump as unlikely as he is to say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>I’m a proud White man and I’m gonna do what’s best for White people.</i>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He does say things that come very close to that about jews. How he’d be a good President for jews because he’d defend Israel a thousand percent and all that stuff. So he’s a good example of how jewish influence actually works. But I think on the flip side, on the good side for Trump is that he exposes this Judeo-Liberal democracy for the fraud that it is. That basically, it’s pretty obvious that the people behind the curtains are jews, because of the way that Trump is so obsequious to Jews and Israel, but also how they react. How jews are very, very much trying to incite fear and loathing of Trump. How they compare him to Hitler, even though the comparison is laughable. In their minds it’s real! That’s a measure of how hyper sensitive they are, the old joke about:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Your broken leg is a comedy and my hang-nail is a tragedy</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Everything is another tragedy, another holocaust about to happen from a jewish point of view. That’s part of the secret of their success, they don’t let any detail slide. And when it comes to Trump, they did the same thing with Obama. They complained that he was a horrible anti-semite and every little thing he did that they didn’t like:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Obama is a horrible anti-semite</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So this is becoming, I think, more obvious to more Whites more quickly than it ever has in the past and Trump is, he’s not doing it on purpose. I think, &#8230; The way I understand Trump is that he is just a pragmatist. He wants to be President and he knows that all he has to do is say things that are popular. And he doesn’t care if other candidates wouldn’t say those things. They know what is popular too. They know shutting down the border, building a wall, deporting them all, all of that stuff, “<i>Make America great again</i>”, they try to mimic him to the extent that they can but they all answer directly to jewish donors.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The jewish donor class that funds their campaigns and who would destroy them in the media if they were to say those things that Trump is saying. Well Trump is saying it and the media is trying to destroy him, the jewish media, but he’s using <b>Twitter</b> and <b>Facebook</b> to go directly to the people. It’s the first candidate who’s really done that himself. I mean, candidates have in the past had those social media accounts, but Trump actually communicates mostly that way and most of the jews media tearing down at him is reacting to what he’s doing.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah, and that’s what I mean by he’s running a very effective campaign and that he’s genuine because he is himself out there operating his own Twitter account. And he speaks very well in front of crowds I think. Again, the issues that he’s bringing up are very important and resonating very deeply with, well, sort of, most of America! Well, I think a lot of his views on the border, for example, are mainstream amongst many Americans.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>And even many non-Whites. He’s actually more popular with non-Whites than the media. That was one of the things that they tried on him first is:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>Oh no, he said this horrible stuff about Mexican immigrants, and that’s it, he’s lost the Mexican vote</i>”.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The assumption being that Mexicans vote as a block and they all vote pro-immigration and the reality is different than that. And Trump has demonstrated that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think the other main point about Trump to keep in mind is that we’ve seen this pattern before, in fact it’s been the pattern of White politicians for a hundred years, at least the last fifty, where they promise things like Nixon did with his, “<i>silent majority</i>” quote. That was the thing that the “<i>dispossessed majority</i>” that we were talking about earlier, &#8230; Nixon talked about the “<i>silent majority</i>” and he talked in private with Billy Graham about that it was the jews that were the enemy and attacking him although he didn’t seem to really, fully appreciate just how much of an enemy they were. How implacable they were.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But we’ve seen it with Schwarzenegger in California. You should be familiar with that. Maggie Thatcher in Britain did it. They “<i>dog-whistle</i>” on race, that’s what the left calls it, dog-whistling is saying things in code like Trump does that are popular and they know are popular. But then when they get into office they don’t actually deliver.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><b>[90:00]</b></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-Trump-dog-whistling.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-22219" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-Trump-dog-whistling.jpg" alt="" width="876" height="560" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-Trump-dog-whistling.jpg 876w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-Trump-dog-whistling-600x384.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Tanstaafl-Trump-dog-whistling-768x491.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 876px) 100vw, 876px" /></a></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">When they get into office they don’t actually deliver, they do the the opposite, in a lot of cases, in fact, like Thatcher did, like Reagan did, or Nixon, uh, Trump would be a change from the normal if he were to get into office and actually try to do what he’s said he’s going to do, &#8230; Building a wall, and everything, and he said he’s going to build a wall, but he also said he’s going to have a great big door in it. That’s evidence that Trump understands that he can say whatever he wants to get elected. He tells one group of people I’m going to build a giant wall and for the benefit for the other people who are skeptics or don’t want to hear that, he says I’m going to have a big fat door in it, and he’s trusting that people are too stupid to put those two together and see that they contradict each other.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF:</b> Um hmm, &#8230;</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>And, for the most part, I don’t think it is stupidity. I think it’s just people, they want to hear, &#8230; they want leadership, certainly. White people, are just thirsty for somebody to push back against this smothering, downward spiral, that even if they don’t think in terms of race, they think in terms of their country. Their country is going to hell and they want to take their country back. Often times they don’t think any further than that – they don’t think to themselves, take if back from who? From the Mexicans? It’s not the Mexicans who let themselves in here. They don’t want to confront the fact that it’s race and it’s the jews that are the enemy.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And on Trump, the ones who are cheering for Trump, at least half of them are in that camp. They’re cheering for Trump because he’s saying things they want to hear. But they aren’t thinking beyond that to – can I really believe this guy? Is he really going to do what he’s saying? He says he loves Israel and he loves jews – his daughter’s married to one, he does business with them, &#8230; Can I really trust him to fight the enemy?</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Yeah, I know, those are all good points and very well taken, I think, um, we’d be fools to simply assume that Trump is just going to get in there and do everything that he’s now saying. And, as you mentioned with his comments about he wants to have a big door to let people in through the border are a little bit troublesome, yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But, I mean, definitely we should hold his feet to the fire as best we can. And that my strategy has always been that as soon as he got into the campaign was to really try to reach out to his supporters, to people who are paying attention to Trump – your tea party types, your traditional conservatives and old time Republicans, and to sort of draw them into our camp. Into the race realist camp, into the quote, unquote, “<i>anti-Semitic camp</i>”, which, as we talked about, is just being honest about jews. And maybe that’s been effective to a certain degree, maybe not, I don’t know. But I really think we have the potential to reach out and get more and more people into our way of thinking as a result of what Donald Trump is doing with his campaign.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Yeah, it only takes a little bit of nudging because the evidence is right there for people to see, if they see it in the right way. They can see, for instance, that for the last several election cycles, Whites have been psycho-patholgized by the jewish media, that not liking, disliking and distrusting Obama is just a sign that Whites are racist. And not voting for Obama:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<i>You’re a racist, just because you’re White.</i>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">You don’t even have to say that it’s because you’re White. The tea partiers are a good example of that – where they formed and the jewish media psycho-pathologizes them for being racists, and when they bend over backwards to demonstrate that they’re not racist. Meanwhile, you have jews openly expressing their dislike for Obama, even though they ended up voting for him. And their distrust for him. And they’re doing the same thing with Trump this time around and the narrative for that, is this is just jews looking out for what’s best for the jews and it makes sense.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>Tan: </b>To me, that’s one of the things you can point to your mom or pop, or neighbor next door, as something very obvious: That jews are not White, they’re not treated to the same standard politically as Whites. The jews can organize like any non-White group for their own best interest, do it openly, and there’s no problem. In fact the problem only starts if YOU say there’s something wrong with it, then you’re a racist hater.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Meanwhile, Whites, just the rumor of Whites starting White student unions is this unthinkable disaster from the Jewish media’s point of view. They can’t stand the idea that Whites might actually organize. Even if it’s just a rumor – and I don’t think it is just a rumor, I think there actually is a nugget, a growing awareness that Whites are having, that it’s not going well and I think there’s a nugget, a growing awareness that Whites are having that, this is not going well and it’s because they’re White, that they’re going to have to face this at some time or another. The jew thing I think will come after that, for some people the jew thing comes first and then they discover Whiteness. It depends.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Right, obviously both of them are interrelated and connected and very, &#8230; They are easy to piece together once you start thinking about these things.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Right, the opposite of what Jared Taylor said, is that they’re two separate things, they’re not related to each other.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>And anybody being honest should recognize that. Hey, Tanstaafl, we are going to go ahead and wrap up now, this has been a very interesting discussion for sure and I just want to thank you so much for taking time out of your busy day to join me here today.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Well, I thank you John for having me on, you’re very knowledgeable, you understand things very well and you articulate yourself very well, you put it very well. Whenever I hear you speak about these issues, I’m always impressed.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>Thank you, I appreciate that, that certainly means a lot coming from you, because I’ve learned quite a bit over the years from reading your site and listening to your radio program. So I really do appreciate that!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><b>TAN: </b>Thank you.</span></p>
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<p><b>JF: </b>OK. Thanks Tan and thanks everybody.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">Andrew Anglin created the website <strong>The Daily Stormer</strong> two years ago, which now attracts over three million unique visitors per month. The controversial and humorous website seeks revolution through the education of the European masses and keeps readers informed of relevant world events hidden by the controlled media. Anglin says, </span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #333333;">“My goal is that anyone who comes to this site laughs out loud at least once every visit.” </span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">We begin with a look at Andrew’s journey through the alternative conspiracy route that brought him to the bigger picture of racial issues plaguing Western culture. Andrew talks about the recent heat that was brought to dailystormer.com when the <strong>SPLC</strong> [Southern Poverty Law Center] tried to connect him to the Charleston church shooter, Dylan Storm Roof, and he covers the recent drama with Joshua Goldberg attempting to infiltrate the website. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">We discuss the art of trolling, tips for dealing with <strong>SJW</strong>s [Social Justice Warriors], and the future of censorship. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">Then, we get into the big problem of low IQ cultures creeping into the system and replacing skilled workers with affirmative action. Andrew brings forth the idea of ‘Detroitification’ sweeping across the US, as minorities take over the suburbs and ‘too White’ neighborhoods are ‘diversified’ through Obama’s new <strong>HUD</strong> [Department of <strong>Housing and Urban Development</strong>] social engineering program. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">Furthermore, we touch on the issue of low White birth rates and why Western women cheerfully support the mass importation of fighting age men from cultures with large breeding capabilities. Later, we delve into the unavoidable JQ [Jewish Question] and why Israel is so cheri$hed by so many politician$. We wrap up with thoughts on strengthening the Alt Right political ideology.</span></p>
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<p><b>VOICE OVER</b>: This is Radio 3 Fourteen on the Red Ice Radio Network.</p>
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<p><b>Lana Letkoff (LL)</b>: Welcome everyone. This is Lana. Thanks for joining me. This weekend is Halloween and the <strong>NPI Conference</strong> in Washington DC, called “<i>Become Who We Are</i>”. We’ll be there and hope to see some of you there.</p>
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<p>About my next guest, love him or hate him, joining me is Andrew Anglin. You’ve got to give him credit because two years ago he created the website, Daily Stormer.com.</p>
<p>Which now gets over 3 million unique visitors a month. He is definitely pushing the limits of what is acceptable to the establishment.</p>
<p>It’s mocking, it’s fun and it’s satirical to get the point across. The point being, White people want to be left alone in a country of their own without Marxist filth.</p>
<p>The <strong>SPLC*</strong> is obsessed with watching <strong>Daily Stormer</strong>. They can’t handle a peep of criticism in opposition because they are wrong and they know it. They just don’t want everyone else to know it. And they’re certainly alarmed that a hard-hitting opposition is forming before their eyes. Is it really so shocking considering all that they do against white people?</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[*The <strong>Southern Poverty Law Center</strong> (<strong>SPLC</strong>) is an anti-White “<i>civil rights</i>” organization set up in Montgomery, Alabama in 1971 by Morris Dees and the Jew, Joseph J. Levin Jr. The current SPLC president J Richard Cohen is also Jewish, as is its main media representative Mark Potok.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Unlike the <strong>Anti-Defamation League</strong> and like <strong>American Civil Liberties Union</strong> the SPLC is not an openly Jewish organization. The SPLC may therefore be able to appeal to individuals and groups who find the more open pro-Jewish lobbying by the ADL disquieting. However, activities of the SPLC generally serve Jewish interests and Jews are prominent among staff and those giving money to the organization.]</span></p>
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<p>With all the censorship and with all the things were told we can’t say, it’s no wonder why the <strong>Daily Stormer.com</strong> is such a hit. White people want to vent. They want to let loose and shout the obvious from the mountain tops. They want to be left alone to live how and with whoever they chose. Andrew Anglin, coming up.</p>
<p>Welcome Andrew! Thanks for being here. I’ve thought about having you on for quite a while but finally it’s happening.</p>
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<p><b>Andrew Anglin (AA):</b><span style="color: #0000ff;"> I’m glad it’s finally happening.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>So how long of you been running Daily Stormer now?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Two and a half years.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL:</b> Wow! So have you received a lot of mainstream media requests in those two years?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah. I have a lot actually. Well in the last, &#8230; Since that kid shot up that church and the SPLC tried to tie him to me.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So I’ve got a lot of big media requests after that. Then with this Donald Trump, then, calling me up about that. But I started publishing their emails, so they kind of stopped contacting me.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL:</b> That is funny!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I don’t really have any interest in being involved with these people.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL:</b> Course not! Like what kind of things did they want you to talk about?</p>
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<p><b>AA:</b> <span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, they have been emailing me a lot about Donald Trump. And there was this guy, Osnos who works for New Yorker. He did a switcheroo on Jared Taylor and a couple of other people where he said he wanted to talk about Dylan Roof, but he wrote articles about Donald Trump</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So they have been asking me a lot about that. I told them I was publishing their emails so they pretty well stopped contacting me.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL:</b> You are the go-to White supremacist, I guess!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I guess so. I mean Don Black still does interviews so I told them to contact him. They can contact Richard Spencer, he does interviews. I don’t really have any interest in it.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL:</b> Well like us you went the alternative conspiracy route before coming to where you are and I think that there’s a lot of value in that to see the wider picture. And of course we all have a past and we have all woken up in different ways. So when did you start waking up to racial issues?</p>
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<p><b>AA:</b> <span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I lived in Asia for long time when I was in my early twenties and it was kind of obvious that race existed just from being around Asian people. Anybody who doesn’t believe race exists should go live in the country with non-White people. It becomes very obvious. We grow up with these ideas that, you know, they feed us about, &#8230; Different people will behave different ways because they are raised in different way so on, culture or whenever.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">When you’re actually in the situation with people from a different race then it becomes very obvious the it’s an inborn behavior pattern. And characteristics and levels of intelligence and so on is something you are born with.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, yes, just being around people it became very obvious to me. Then I started reading, you know, people with this view. And because I had been into alternative stuff and so on it was something I was interested in, then you get to the point where it’s just undeniable.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL:</b> So when did you start seeing:</p>
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<p><b>AA:</b> <span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I started seeing that, I guess about about four years ago, &#8230; I started a blog about it.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>It’s amazing how you can miss it. I mean we’ve been doing these topics for a long time, alternative stuff, conspiracy and then, you know, just woke up to the stuff really, just a few years ago. We didn’t see the blatant war that was going on against White people. So when you do wake up there’s like, “<i>How did I miss that?</i>” you know.</p>
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<p><b>AA:</b> <span style="color: #0000ff;">I think a lot of it is because you are alienated from yourself as White. I mean it’s like there’s this idea of White identity has been, kind of stolen from us. So it’s not an obvious thing at first when you’ve been raised in this type of culture.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>So then how did you come to discover the JQ?</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">[06:08]</span></h3>
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<p><b> AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean like you you I’ve been involved in the conspiracy stuff, so it’s something the you are kind of aware of that Jews have this level of power. I mean most of the conspiracy movements are focused on Jews. But what’s the important thing about it is that Jews are a race. And they think and behave differently because of racial differences rather than religion or culture or whatever. It’s inborn blood, DNA, genetic thing with Jews, their behavior patterns.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Now has anyone showed up at your door for talking about this, because Jews are the one group that you really can’t criticize. So have you been attacked by various Jewish watch groups, or even visited by the government?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I’ve been visited by the government a few times. And, I mean, you know, these people will harass your family. I’ve had reporters harass my mother. I’ve had the FBI show up at my dad’s house a couple of times. The SPLC calls my family, it’s an ongoing thing, as soon as you start talking about these issues they start harassing you.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Have you ever felt sketched out, like you have to watch your back?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">You know, I don’t worry about things like that. I mean there’s no reason worrying about things that you don’t have control over.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>So tell us more about these agents, what did they do, they say? How did they even approach you?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, I think they wanted me to be an informant and they wanted to just intimidate and harass my family.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>I also know that if you get popular enough someone will accuse you of being disinfo, because we used to get that too, so what do you say to people that accuse you of being an agent?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I don’t know if anyone accuses me of being that., you know, I don’t know how to respond to that if somebody accuses me of being a secret agent</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Of course. When did you come to learn the other side of the story regarding National Socialists?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, about the same time I was reading about race. I mean you can’t really read about race unless you go back to that 1920s, 1930s era where they were still able to talk about it. You are not really allowed to talk about it now. When the “<b><i>Bell Curve</i></b>”, what’s his name, Murray, &#8230; In this new book the I haven’t read, “<b><i>Troublesome Inheritance</i></b>”, I’ve read a few reviews of it. Kevin MacDonald talks about it, but I mean for the most part if you want to learn about racialism you have to go back to these older books. So at that point you are pretty much into Nazism.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>So do you consider yourself a Neo-Nazi? Because a lot of the Neo-Nazis today are just really cheesy. I mean they fall into Hollywood, stereotypical skinhead version of a Nazi, know what I mean?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I don’t really, &#8230; I mean the term, Neo-Nazi sounds kind of gay, like White supremacist, I mean, you know, I would rather not have that type of a label. I don’t have ant SS uniforms, or anything. Kind of wished I did. No I think it does get a little bit silly with some of these people dressing up like Nazis and so on. I think that Hitler and National Socialism should be more than an inspiration than something that you are supposed to copy exactly.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes and of course we know that there is heavy infiltration of, you know, the supposed Ayran Brotherhood and all these Neo-Nazi kind of loser groups and National Socialists groups. I mean it has come out that there has been agents in those, so, I mean, I don’t even think those are real.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, and a lot of it is associated with prison gangs which isn’t really an ideological thing. It’s like once you go to prison then you are in a racial situation. So the Whites in prison adopt the Nazi symbolism, tattoos and such when they are in prison. I mean some of those might be genuine when they get out of prison, I don’t know. But for the most part, prison gangs are a separate thing from any kind of political ideology.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes, they do it so they don’t get beaten up and killed in prison, and makes sense. So, I gotta ask, what’s the deal with <strong>Joshua Goldberg</strong>? [echo, echo] – who tried to infiltrate your site.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">[Image] Joshua Goldberg.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah! That was quite a thing! That was, apparently, what resulted in the second FBI visit. He came from Reddit, was how I knew about this guy. And he had been, you know, active in <strong>Reddit</strong> for a long time, and done some funny stuff…</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So I told him… He contacted me, and said he wanted to submit articles. I said yeah, OK. Because, before he contacted me I knew who this guy was, just from his Reddit posting. So, he starts submitting articles and most of them are kinda normal [but] , &#8230; They’re all Australian issues, I mean most of them are about Australia. Which was… weird, and in hindsight I guess, but at the time I just assumed he was from Australia. I think he told me he was from Australia.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, then he harasses this Australian Moslem woman, and it was kind of funny, Miriam Valdize [Mariam Veiszadeh] , I think was her name. And he wrote a lot of these articles harassing her, but then he starts getting like, going a little bit too far with it. And I was like:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Man, I can’t publish these articles.”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then, at some point, I guess it was in about late March or early April, I said:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I’m not publishing any more of your articles. This has gotten out of hand.”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because, you know, he was taking things too far.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, at that point I distanced myself from him. But some other people still had contact with him, and I was hearing, you know, that he was saying some crazy things, whatever, and eventually he gets caught by the FBI for planning a terrorist attack pretending to be ISIS!</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It was incredible! He was a infiltrating everything! This guy. I mean he was the one who outed <strong>Brianna Wu</strong>, as a tranny. He contacted Milo Yiannopoulos. He contacted him about that fake “<strong><em>Black Lives Matter</em></strong>”, that guy that was white. What’s his name? King? Yeah, he dug that up. I mean, this guy was like running the whole Internet.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>How’s that possible?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, is it real? I don’t know. I mean, he could have been multiple people. I have no idea. I mean, what he was doing, &#8230; The only thing that he actually did that was illegal was plan that ISIS attack. I mean, the rest of what he was doing, none of it was illegal. So he could have kept on going. Why he did that, I have no idea.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Was he Israeli?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Nah, he was Jewish, but I think they were just German Jews.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>So how did that relationship end then? What did you say?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well I, of course, at this time did not know he was a Jew. I didn’t even know what he looked like or anything. But I just told him I didn’t feel comfortable publishing his articles any more. Because he was going too far with everything. And you know, I was editing them, and saying like:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well, this is too much man. I’ll have to cut this out.”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then, I just started thinking he was, you know, trying to set me up. I assumed he was a Fed [Federal agent, asset or informer] — everybody who had contact with him eventually came to the conclusion he must have been a Fed. It turns out, he wasn’t — he was just a crazy Jew.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But now, I guess he probably is working for the Feds — they’re not even putting him in, &#8230; It’s dropped out of the news. I mean it was a top story, that he was planning a 9/11 memorial attack, then it drops out of the news completely. He’s been sent to a mental facility. And they’re saying he’s not fit to stand trial. He’s got some top Jew lawyers in Florida — the whole story is incredible! I can’t believe the way they’ve dropped it out of the news, though.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Maybe they’re just telling you he’s insane and going to the cuckoo house, but really he’s working for them or was working for them the whole time.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I mean it’s possible he was working for somebody, or being directed by somebody, and the FBI didn’t know, so they caught him, like by accident. I mean, a lot of times these organisations get crossed wires, and are arresting each other.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, I mean, it was very quick that they said:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;"> “This guy’s insane, we’re sending him to a mental facility, instead of prosecuting him.”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, it looks like that, or they just want him to come work for some, you know, <b>JIDF</b>* operation.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* The <b>Jewish Internet Defense Force</b> (JIDF) is an organization that uses social media to mobilize support for campaigns against websites and <b>Facebook</b> groups that promote or praise what it describes as Islamic terrorism or anti-Semitism.]</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Wow, what a weird story! Yeah, I would think that there’s a lot of more informants and agents and things, that are going to be crawling around out there. Because now, they say White supremacists are the new terrorist threat, the biggest terrorist threat, so of course they’ll be creating a lot of these events — don’t you agree?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah! And I think people need to be, <b>very aware of that</b>.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And if anyone starts talking about how we’ve gotta start blowing something up, we gotta get some weapons, attack the government, &#8230; You need to be aware that there is like, a ninety-something percent chance that anybody saying that is a Fed. If they’re not a Fed then they’re a liability, and they’re going to be infiltrated by Feds, immediately.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because, I mean, these people are on the Internet. I mean, you know, there are stupid people, who think that they can go round the internet, talking about how there’re going to organise and overthrow the government. And the Federal agents pick up on this very quickly. And get involved with these people. And they’ll let it run for a while too, you know. I mean it’s not like, as soon as somebody says something like that, they arrest them! They try and get more people involved. As many people as possible.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because, I mean, even if we’re not talking about a Jewish conspiracy, these people get paid to do this, and they get promotions based on who they arrest. So, I mean, it’s like a racket, to get people to plan fake terror attacks when they’re being baited by the FBI.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, I mean, the first rule should be; just don’t do anything illegal; don’t talk about doing anything illegal. There’s no reason to. I mean, we’re having incredible progress, spreading our message over the last couple years. I mean, people are waking up to these issues, so, that’s my advice to anybody. Just be very careful on the internet and know that everything you do is being monitored.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>It’s true what you saying. There are agents that get paid to do this stuff, to manufacture and create terrorists and to recruit and get people extreme, and to get them committing violence. I mean, there’s been a lot of events like that, that we know about that have already happened, so yeah, look out for that.</p>
<p>Well, I wanted to talk about the art of trolling, because you seem to have it down [to a T] . So how does one troll successfully?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, there are many different methods. I have a troll army, so I have an advantage! [laughs] You know, I think there’s a lot that can be done on the internet to spread the message, and humour should be used as much as possible, because that’s really the only way to, kind of break down this psychological barrier that everybody has built in their minds.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">As far as race and Jews and black people, whatever, &#8230; Any of these issues. People have psychological barriers to these things. When you use humour, you can get round these things.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think mocking people is a very effective way to kind of get at them, and to show other people who are seeing it, just how ridiculous this whole situation is.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes, so the idea is that when people accuse you of being something like a Nazi, just run with it and use it against them, pump it up, and even have fun with it, right?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah! Yeah, no, no, I mean I think, you know, it’s something that needs to be refined, as far as how you deal with these labels and so on. But I think that running away from accusations of racism, anti-Semitism and so on, it’s not really, &#8230; Because that puts you on the defensive automatically. As soon as you start saying, “<em>Well I’m not this, I’m not that</em>” then you’re in defensive mode, and psychologically, people recognise someone who’s defending themself, as the loser.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Plus it just looks weak! There’s no respect when someone’s backing down! “I’m sorry! But I like all races!” You know, it just looks laughable.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b>Yeaaah, it’s ridiculous too, this whole apology culture.</p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>What tips do you have, when dealing with Social Justice Warriors? ‘cause I’m sure you’ve been attacked by quite a few.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, I think to go along with what they’re saying, to play into it is the best way to come at it. I mean, just say what you believe and say it straight. Don’t, &#8230; Because they feed on outrage, and this idea that everybody should be sorry for everything, &#8230; So I think, just mock them.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And also, as far as trolling, pretending to be these people, is very funny [laughs] . You know, for anybody who wants to get into that. You can pretend to be these people and get them to go along with what you’re saying, when you’re mocking them, satirising them, which is very funny. Because this whole thing, this whole Social Justice Warrior thing is just so unhinged now… I mean, they’re promoting paedophilia in <b><i>Salon</i></b> magazine.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s just collapsing in on itself.  So, I mean, there’s a lot of room to make fun of these people.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Oh yeah, they’re ripe for the picking. They’re so easy to mock! You know, it’s just a piece of cake! It’s just a joke! [laughs] I think it’s also highly important to push the limits of what is acceptable to say, because if we don’t, then eventually we won’t be able to say anything at all. It’s already happening as people censor themselves, instead of just cutting loose and saying all those words that we’ve basically been told, “<i>they’re naughty and you can’t say that</i>”.</p>
<p>But if we don’t use those words then that Overton window* is hardly going to be open if we don’t test and push the limits, you know, far from the left. So, do you think there’s value in satire and edgy rightist material that uses kind of naughty language?</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* The Overton window, also known as the window of discourse, is the range of ideas the public will accept. It is used by media pundits. The term derives from it’s originator, Joseph P. Overton (1960–2003), a former vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, who in his description of his eponymous window claimed that an idea’s political viability depends mainly on whether it falls within it, rather than on politicians’ individual preferences. According to Overton’s description, his window includes a range of policies considered politically acceptable in the current climate of public opinion, which a politician can recommend without being considered too extreme to gain or keep public office.]</span></p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well yeah, I mean that’s what we do. So I think it’s definitely highly valuable. You know, like you say, the Overton window, you’ve got a situation where they’re trying to clamp down on speech and censor everything.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean I think a lot of people come to the Daily Stormer and, you know, it’s just funny ‘cause it’s naughty, you know? Saying these things that you’re not supposed to say. And I think the left wing paradigm has become extremely authoritarian, and so it feels good to break out of that. I mean, whoever you are, to be able to rebel against this thing that’s clamping down on you, you know, suffocating every aspect of white peoples’ lives. This thought control, and that you have to believe a certain way, or you’re somehow morally wrong. It feels good for people to get out from underneath that.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah, it sure does. It seems like any time there’s liberals around, it’s anything BUT freedom. There’s like so many things you CAN’T SAY all the time, whereas, if you go far to the right, it’s actually fun — you can let your hair down, and actually talk about what you see in front of your face.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, and I think right wing people also tend to not get emotional about things. It’s like a liberal can have their say as well. I mean, I think that’s the way most right wing people view things. I mean, I’m happy to have some Jews explain to me the evidence for this alleged holocaust, but, you know, they don’t want to do that, they just want to shut down all discussion.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>And say, “<i>It should be good news!”</i> Right? It should be good news for the Jews!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I mean, to have an open discussion about things. I mean, I would love to have open discussions about all kinds of things. But it’s like you don’t get that option you are silenced!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>What do you think about the future of censorship? Where’s it heading, especially for websites like yours?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, &#8230; That is, I mean it’s a big issue. I don’t know. I mean, they took the domain of <b>8chan</b>; they actually stole the domain. So, you know, this was a Columbian domain, so it’s a little bit different from having a .com or a .net, but I mean, yes, governments are cracking down on this. And these companies, <b>Google</b> and <b>Facebook</b> and so on, have all shown that they’re willing to help with censorship, that governments want to enforce. So, I mean, in America, I don’t know. I mean, I think it’s probably a few years off before they’re going to start really cracking down on the first amendment.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But, I mean, everything’s happening so fast now, you know? Like, anything could happen, and if <b>Hillary</b> gets elected then I think her second term will be about, you know, closing down free speech completel</span>y.</p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>You know she will. They need a woman in there, and then she can come out on being gay, and then it’ll be even better! Right? [laughs]</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, we already have a black guy, I mean, &#8230; A woman, &#8230; <span style="color: #008000;">[laughs]</span></span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah, it’s interesting how it’s not really overtly the government doing the censoring, but it’s all these capitalists that are doing the moral policing. Because if you’re look at a lot of clauses in the terms and conditions – I’ve been taking screenshots – they actually, a lot of companies actually have a clause in there, like, “<i>You can’t criticise foreigners, and gays, and, &#8230;</i>” [laughs] it’s just like, &#8230; It’s there, &#8230;</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I mean, just getting your site hosted is a nightmare. Because all the, I mean, right now — you’ve probably had this too — the SPLC basically follows me around. I mean these people are obsessed with me. And they will call up anybody. I mean I can’t get any payment processors. They’re now trying to shut down certain security services, that you have to use, &#8230; Trying to get that taken away. You know, these people will harass you.</span></p>
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<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #0000ff;"><b> </b></span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah, and they get millions, probably billions of dollars to do it, too. Yeah, PayPal, they’re another traitor, they’ve been cutting people off, like you, and several other websites that have been cut off. But, you know, you can buy all kinds of porn and different things on there I’m sure. I’ve seen some things come across our way that you can buy on PayPal, no problem, but a site like yours? Forget about it! They’re not taking, not allowing you to take donations.</p>
<p>So what do you think about crypto-currencies? Is that a possibility? I mean, Bitcoin’s kind of dropped in value though.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, it goes up and down — it’s not a stable currency. I mean, I’m not an expert on the topic. I use Bitcoin now for donations, because you can kind of put money in Bitcoin and transfer it and take it out of Bitcoin, into cash, so it’s an option. I don’t know if those currencies will ever really be stable, because they can be manipulated by people who are buying and selling, mass quantities of them. And obviously the people that run banks don’t really want that to be successful, so, &#8230;</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>You know, the IRS is sniffing around you with Bitcoins —they want you to report and stuff. I’m really hoping that there’s some futurists, you know, a lot of technologically advanced kinda transhumanists that are more, you know, pro-white, that are waking up to these things. Because we really need that area right now, technology, right? Wouldn’t you agree?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I would definitely agree, and I think that people who work in those fields are very prone to this type of thinking. I think they’re probably shy to come out about it, most of them, but I think they are prone to thinking this way. Because, I mean, you know, a certain level of intelligence, especially with the situations we’ve got going on now, with all our countries being flooded with these people, where you have to be around them. I mean, when you have a distance from them, then you can kinda say:</span></p>
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<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;"> “Well we don’t know, we don’t know, maybe it’s their culture”.</span></h3>
<p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But when you have to be around these people, then you see them exactly as they are. And I mean, for an intelligent person to keep going on about:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;"> “Ah well, they have a different culture, &#8230;”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s not, it’s just not going to happen. Anybody with a certain IQ level can see what’s going on with these people, that they’re lower evolved, less evolved beings, on the whole.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Well, I hope some of these futurists and transhumanists, and, you know, technologically savvy people start, we start coaxing them out. But you’re right, it is a lot of Whites, kind of, sometimes nerdy, kind of <b>Gamergate</b>* guys, or more closed-off guys, or introverted loner types, so it would be good to coax them out. Because eventually we might be in a place where we need an exoskeleton suit, [laughs] you know what I mean? Or some kind of high technology to protect our future little White colony somewhere. I mean, that’s where I see it going.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[*The <b>Gamergate</b> controversy began in August 2014 and concerns sexism and progressivism in video game culture. It is most notable for harassment of several women in the video game industry, including game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, and of cultural critic Anita Sarkeesian. The campaign of harassment was coordinated in <b>IRC</b> channels and online forums such as <b>Reddit</b>, <b>4chan</b>, and <b>8chan</b> by an anonymous and amorphous group that ultimately came to be represented by the Twitter hashtag #Gamergate.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Gamergate has been described as a manifestation of a culture war over gaming culture diversification, artistic recognition, social criticism of video games, and the gamer social identity. Some of the people using the Gamergate hashtag allege collusion among feminists, progressives, journalists and social critics, which they believe is the cause of increasing social criticism in video game reviews. SOURCE; https: ed / en.wikipedia.orged wikied Gamergatetion controversy]</span></p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, we’re going to need a robot army. The thing is though, the system itself is collapsing. I think, because of the incompetence of all these people. So, I mean that’s something that you can kind of feel good about, that they really are incredibly incompetent at this point, and it’s becoming more so as they replace all these positions with affirmative action hires. You know, the system itself just kind of imploding in on itself.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>Didn’t even NASA do affirmative actions? [laughs] Got to get those Moslems up in space! Right!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, no, the head of NASA is a black guy. So, I mean the head of CENTCOM is a black guy*. The president of the United States is a black guy [laughs] . You know, I mean, it’s ridiculous, to put black people in these positions, I mean just anybody can see that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Lloyd J. Austin III, a four-star general was confirmed by the Senate on March 5, 2015 to succeed Marine Gen. James Mattis as commander of Central Command, in charge of U.S. Military operations in the greater Middle East, including Afghanistan, the first black man to do so.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-new-head-of-CENTCOM.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31379" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-new-head-of-CENTCOM.jpg" alt="" width="746" height="419" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-new-head-of-CENTCOM.jpg 746w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-new-head-of-CENTCOM-600x337.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 746px) 100vw, 746px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">The United States Central Command (USCENTCOM or CENTCOM) is a theater-level Unified Combatant Command of the U.S. Department of Defense, established in 1983, taking over the 1980 Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force (RDJTF) responsibilities.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">The CENTCOM Area of Responsibility (AOR) includes countries in the Middle East, North Africa, and Central Asia, most notably Afghanistan and Iraq.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Of all six American regional unified combatant commands CENTCOM is among the three with headquarters outside its area of operations. CENTCOM’s main headquarters is located at MacDill Air Force Base, in Tampa, Florida. A forward headquarters was established in 2002 at Camp As Sayliyah in Doha, Qatar, which in 2009 transitioned to a forward headquarters at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar.]</span></p>
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<p>But they just have to keep pushing that idea. “<i>Oh, they’re the same as us! Everything’s the same!”</i> And, I mean, anybody takes a step back, and says, “<i>WAIT! You’re going to have a black guy at the head of the space program? ! ?”</i></p>
<p>And you can see, I mean you can see the incompetence. When they bombed that hospital in Afghanistan, while the hospital is calling up, like, “<i>Hey! Stop bombing us! This is a hospital! We’re French!”</i> Ah, they just kept bombing this hospital. I mean this is the level of, &#8230; I mean there is no, &#8230; This was a crazy thing to do, just to create an international incident, bombing this hospital. But they just did it, because they’re incompetent people.</p>
<p>This is while they were saying, “<b><i>Putin</i></b><i> is evil for bombing ISIS</i>”. That was right when that was happening, they start bombing a French hospital! In Afghanistan, and killed a bunch of people. So, I mean, that’s a pretty high level, up the chain of command, that’s doing airstrikes, especially now, in Afghanistan. And that’s what they’re doing, they’re blowing up French hospitals. So, you know, you can see in certain news stories, just the level to which the establishment has sunk, as far as incompetence, mainly from affirmative action. And I think people in general, are kind of getting stupider, I mean White people, as well.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">[30:09]</span></h3>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>Oh, yeah, they are. And they are dumbing them down in a variety of ways, for sure. And they are trying to tell us that eugenics is bad. You shouldn’t pick a mate who is better looking and smarter, right? It’s racist! Actually you want your kids to be uglier and dumber, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">[laughing] Yeah, yeah.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Because that wouldn’t be fair and everyone else better because your daughter won’t be too beautiful, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah. Did you see that Downs syndrome model? That they’re pushing?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>No! It doesn’t surprise me though!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, they’re really pushing it, sexualizing people with Downs syndrome.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>Wow! Yeah that is pretty, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Can’t remember the name. You can type though, “<i>Downs syndrome model</i>”.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>[laughing] God!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">That is really where we are at. Like in this article about it, like, yeah, she’s embracing her sexuality. She has the mental capacity of a five year old. So it’s just a sick, sick thing you got going on.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah, America is going down the toilet fast and it’s only getting worse. So I know we’ve been talking about it. What do you see America heading? How do you think White people are going to fit into this, if everything is collapsing?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, I don’t think there’s, &#8230; I don’t think there’s going to be a major, like catastrophic collapse. I think it’s just going to be a <i>Detroitafication</i> of everything where White people get pushed out. And they try to move, &#8230; I mean now even in Detroit there’s White people in the center of the city. In my home town in Columbus, Ohio, the Whites have all moved to the center of the city.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The property values of old buildings, they are not legally allowed to tear down and build these brick apartment buildings that they put the blacks in have served as a kind of protection.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">In Columbus, I mean, Mexican, Indians and Pakistanis, and Somalians, they have taken over all the suburbs now. So White people have moved into the center of the city. So I think that is, &#8230; It’s going to go that way. I guess the same way it’s been going for a long time. White people trying to congregate together wherever they can.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">You know, in the long term, I don’t know what is going to happen. I mean there’s going to be bigger riots than we have seen already. I mean this “<i>Black Lives Matter</i>”, all this stuff is going to intensify.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>Yes, now they have chosen Idaho, one of the Whitest states in America, they are putting in a huge refugee resettlement program in there. They already have them, so they have been bussing in thousands into northern Idaho.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yes, this is what they do. And this is what the whole HUD program that Obama has rammed through by executive order. It’s about finding places with White people and, quote, “<i>diversifying them</i>”. Which means moving usually poor blacks or Mexicans into the middle of neighborhoods so, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>That is right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">You know, it is about chasing down the last White person.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>Oh yes. And it’s happening everywhere. I get a message today from someone in <strong>Slovenia</strong> in this little town called <strong>Dobrova</strong>. It’s only 700 people. Slovenia has some really beautiful medieval little towns and villages. I’d love to go there, it’s gorgeous. And now this town of 700 is getting 1700 invaders. Seventeen hundred! So that is more than the native population the is there! I can’t even fathom this! It just makes me want to rage when I hear about that!</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-Slovenia-Debrova-Ver-5.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31381" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-Slovenia-Debrova-Ver-5.jpg" alt="" width="829" height="985" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-Slovenia-Debrova-Ver-5.jpg 829w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-Slovenia-Debrova-Ver-5-600x713.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-Slovenia-Debrova-Ver-5-768x913.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 829px) 100vw, 829px" /></a></p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah. They are going to end up eating these people! There was a town in the Netherlands with 140 people and they sent 1400 black Africans there. And they are doing it in Germany. They have a ten to one policy in these towns. That is what they are talking about doing, ten immigrants for every one person in these small towns. So they are trying to get them out of the big cities in Germany and spread them out into these little towns.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">You know, America hasn’t started doing that yet, but presumably they will eventually.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes, I saw it to. There was this couple, they are not Swedish of course, everyone saying, &#8220;<em>Oh they are Swedish.</em>&#8221; They are not Swedish. They have this non-profit they started, they&#8217;re calling “<i>Refugee Air</i>”, so now they are going to be bringing in, for free, 2,000, quote, unquote <em>refugees</em> to Sweden, a day. Two thousand! !</p>
<p>I mean, the local population couldn’t breed fast enough to keep up with how many they are bussing in. It’s like, if you need people there, if you are worried about birth rates, then incentivise it. Or, hell, there are lots of Swedes in America that would love to go back to Sweden. There are lots of Germans in America that would love to go back and live in Germany. But, no, they don’t do that.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yes, this whole birth rate thing is a whole, &#8230; I’m not worried about low birth rates at all. People are concerned about it.</span></p>
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<p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #0000ff;"><b> </b></span></p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">[35:00]<br />
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think that the maintenance of birthrates is just a personal happening. As far as the actual population numbers, this is not an issue on the larger sociological level, or socio-economical level. There’s enough people. We have enough people existing already.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">There’s more White people alive now than there were at any point in history. So the idea that we couldn’t go back to earlier 20th century or late 19th century population levels and still have a functioning society is ridiculous.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes. Populations, they ebb and flow. It’s okay, but I mean, the other side loves to say, “<i>Oh my God, Whites, they’re dying!</i>”, you know, it’s more like a psychological thing. They want to freak you out about it.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah. And a lot of White nationalists play into this. I see they’re talking about, “<i>Oh my God, we have to have more babies</i>” and it’s like, well there’s enough people. The demographic crisis is our numbers compared to theirs and the fact that we have open borders. And now, I mean, just the fact that all these people are in the country, already, &#8230; They have to go out!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Maybe not American blacks, they have a stable population, I guess. We have to do something about these people. But the immigrants, the Mexicans in the US and the Muslims in European, as well as a lot of Muslims and Africans coming into the United States. These people breed like rats. So, yes, that is the demographic crisis. It’s our numbers versus theirs, not our total numbers. These are not a problem. I mean, there are more White people alive today than anytime in history, so our numbers can shrink and we don’t have a problem.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">This is just a, &#8230; They throw this into your face. I mean, Merkel was saying it:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“People, you are not breeding enough, so we have to bring in all these immigrants”.</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">These governments constantly say it. Sweden says it.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">This Governor of Minnesota came ot and said:</span></p>
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<blockquote>
<h3 style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well you are not breeding enough. We need more people, we need Somalians!”</span></h3>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">(laughing), you know. But, I mean, with the level of technological development we are going to need less people.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><b>LL: </b>Yes. It’s getting over populated. We can’t sustain this population explosion. It’s taxing on the environment and the infrastructure and the resources. I mean, we just can’t continue like this.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, yes. I mean, I think our populations can remain, &#8230; Like if every woman has into kids, I think that would be good, as far as White people. But these brown and black people, I mean, there’s no way that we can take, that the planet Earth can take this many people. I mean you like at the number of Africans, &#8230; I mean, this is exponential. Eventually the African population is going to double every day!</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>That is insane! Well on the good side a lot of Lefty women are not having babies, so that is good because they won’t be spreading more of that. And you will have more traditional women that are choosing to have babies, but I also think that there are a lot of intelligent people that are not having babies, and I see that as a problem. Don’t you?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Are you going to have kids?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I don’t have any kids, no.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Do you want to have kids?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I guess I would, you know, it’s not something that I think a lot about.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes, I mean, just you have to meet the right person. I know, but there are so many guys out there that want kids. I here from them all the time, but they just, they can’t find woman. I’m like:</p>
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<blockquote>
<h3>“Well, you guys got to travel. You got to go places, to go out and get it. You can’t just sit around and complain about it”.</h3>
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<p><b>AA: </b>(<span style="color: #0000ff;">laughing) Yeah, I mean, you know, I talk on my website about this. About meeting women and such things. I think a lot of, probably intelligent men, do have a problem meeting women. Any women that are going to have kids that you feel comfortable with, &#8230; That situation is probably pretty hard to find for most people. At least in Anglo countries, I mean I think it’s a lot better than even in Germany, Western Europe. But as far as in the UK and the United States and Australia, I think people have pretty big problems.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah, I have a hard time meeting good women friends to hang out with in America to. It’s different. And it’s funny because some of the good friends that I have right now are Slavic girls that I have met (laughing) that have com over here, and I’m Russian. So I instantly feel bonded with them. And, yeah they are a different breed for sure. But I think there are more and more women waking up because I’ve been meeting lots of them since, during this radio show. A lot of younger girls, you know, twenties and thirties. They are waking up to this stuff. They want kids and they’re awake, so I think there’s going to a movement of it happening. Because girls are also sick of this feminist bullshit!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I mean I think that, that is part of why women in Europe are so aggressively supporting this invasion is because they kind of want, &#8230; Subconsciously, at least, they crave this Islam.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah, they want something firm! Right? They want a patriarchy at the end of the day (laughing). They just don’t even realize it!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yes! I mean there’s no other, &#8230; Because it’s, &#8230; I mean you look at it and it’s like, if you bring all these Muslims in they’re going to make Europe into Muslim countries. There’s not any other possible outcome! I mean, not even a theoretical possibility. There’s just a singular outcome of bringing millions of Muslims and letting them breed to infinity in Europe. So when you see people wanting this it seems to be some sort of subconscious obsession with Islamification.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>I think they haven’t seen anything else, because in with Europe especially guys have been feminized and neutered. In Sweden especially, it’s really sad when you look around. I mean even when I went there, guys don’t really, overtly, unless they are really drunk, they don’t really pick up on women. Because they have been so de-balled by feminists, so like, “<i>How do I even talk to women, anymore?</i>”. They are afraid to even go ask her out! Which seems weird to me, you know? We’re used to guys coming up and asking you out more aggressively.</p>
<p>But I think there is this new breed of kind of “<i>New Right</i>”, “<i>Far Right</i>” guy who is very sexy and appealing towards women. So I think as more guys come on board with that it will also drag in more women, I think.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, I think that is something that men should focus on, becoming that type of man, you know, you have all these big political issues that you can’t really do anything about, but you do have control over your own life in what you eat and how you behave in your own personal life. So, I think that is a place, &#8230; And women too, you know, reclaiming their biological identity.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yes, at the end of the day I think women want guys who can get stuff done, can protect them, can take care of business, whether they admit it or not, that is what they want. Because in places like Sweden where the feminists are just insane. And then they start to resent the guys for not being more aggressive and standing up to them, you know.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean that seems to be what the whole thing is. I mean, this invasion is a mass cuckolding of these women bringing in men to replace men that they view as weak. It’s natural on the part of women to seek that, dominant males. And I think that this is a way, probably mostly subconsciously, but there are a lot of women out there that aggressively support this, that support this invasion. And that is what going through their heads.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Well, I don’t know how they can view any of these invaders coming in as attractive. They are absolutely repulsive and disgusting in my opinion! Arrgh! I just can’t stand it, seeing them. A bunch of monkeys running around!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, yeah I know it’s horrible. You see these groups of them, my God! [laughing] They are all men, 20s something year old men.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yeah, and it’s like you have to go to Africa to see how the men treat the women there too. The woman, and I’ve been through Africa and it’s the women that are actually doing the work. The guys just sit around on their arse and, it’s, “<i>Muh dik</i>” all the time.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yeah, yeah, I’ve read about it. And I’ve seen it obviously in America. I’ve never, well I’ve been in North Africa, but I’ve never been in black Africa before. But, even in America you have black women who work at actual jobs. Whether it’s something like, you know, answering phone at a desk or something. They are actually working at a job. The men almost never do, so I think that is part of their evolutionary development that women work in the black culture, while the men don’t.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>So I was going to ask you, what do you think would be, the idea, &#8230; “<i>No enemies on the right</i>”? Because I know there is a lot of infighting going on. But at this point I feel we have to be, almost, the “<i>White Army</i>” to acquire numbers and finding the simplest common denominator to unite all these different groups. So what do you think about, “<i>No enemies on the Right</i>”?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I fully support this concept. I don’t attack anybody on my website, anybody that’s on, &#8230; Well I do attack Alex Jones, who, well he’s kind of a liberal.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>He deserves it.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">He’s not really, &#8230; Yeah, &#8230; I mean he’s real bad. And, you know, things like the cuckservative thing – I think this has been very effective and you do need to kind of separate from conservatives who are not actually even conserving anything. It is like – what does the word even mean? So, I mean, you know, it is a complicated sort of area, but I think that people that understand what is going on, with different movements, and different ideologies can have a pretty clear idea of who is genuinely on the right and who is not.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, you know, people complain that Jared Taylor [<b>American Renaissance</b>] does not talk about Jews, and it is like, well yea, that is weird. I do not know why he does not talk about Jews, but he must have some personal reason. He is still putting out a lot of good material, so to go and complain about this guy, I mean, and then people say, “<i>Well, he must be a secret agent</i>”. It is like, maybe he has some personal reason that he does not want to talk about Jews. Let’s look at the rest of his information, and it is all great. So, you know, I mean hate this guy McInnes, though. I mean this guy is horrible.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yea. You know I invited Lauren Southern to come on the show, and she was going to, and then she flaked out on me last minute because I criticized Israel and I have pointed out Jewish involvement in certain aspects. And so, she couldn’t put that difference aside and just come on to talk to me about feminism, cultural <b>Marx</b>ism, and things that we agree on, because I criticized Jews.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea. I mean this is a big barrier because people know that if they start talking about Jews, or if they do an interview with someone who talks about Jews, then they start to get these blocks. So, people just do not want to be involved with it, most people don’t. So, I mean it’s a big issue because it’s the most important thing you can talk about. It is THE issue, is Jews. I mean I can give a pass to someone like Jared Taylor who puts a lot of scientific information that is needed for the movement out there. You know, he does a lot of good work, but, you know, the real issue remains – Jews! This is the bottom line. We have got to deal with these people!</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yea, they are causing trouble. That is for sure!</p>
<p>Yea, Ezra Levant runs or he funds Rebel Media and I was looking around the other day and they actually had this press release, you know, that they are in Israel seeking for journalists because they want to give Israel a true voice. They want to show the other side of Israel, as if we do not hear enough about Israel and the Jews, you know [laughing] .</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea, and you know this guy is a typical Jew. He rips off, &#8230; He rips off other people’s work. You can see his videos on Rebel Media, his channel, and they are all, he just rips off things, and he does not even do it quickly. Sometimes it is 3 days later and he makes a video. I mean, he did one on “<i>clock boy</i>” that was ripped off of Stefan Molyneux. He just took all of his talking points, like one by one by one. So now, yea he has got Gavin McInnes working for him and it is like, Gavin McInnes at first I was excited because he is a public figure. He was doing pretty edgy stuff, talking about blacks, eugenics, and he even wrote some about Jews. On Takimag there is some pretty good stuff. They do not outright deny the Holocaust, but you know, Jim Goad has written some stuff, you know, questioning the Holocaust and put it on there.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So, you know, I was like, this is a mainstream figure who is coming around in the correct direction, but then he gets signed on with this Ezra Levant and he starts coming out with this pro-Israel. He says that cuckservative, he tries to take down a cuckservative meme and says that, well, he took an article from Matt Forney that was published on Return of Kings and he says:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;"> “Ah, well, we support Israel and we are not against the blacks because there are these good black guys nobody has ever heard of”.</span></h3>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Ha, ha. Yea, I saw that video. It was pathetic, so pathetic!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea. So he came out with that because of his connection to Jews. I mean, that is what caused that to happen. He got sucked in with these Jews, which I do not think he is a particularly, you know, high ideological, moral person, whatever, but that is what caused him to go in that specific direction.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because seriously, who cares about Israel? On a straight up level of not even knowing anything about anything, I mean, objectively, why would you care about this country? What is so important about caring about it? We have no shared interests as Americans or as Europeans with this country. They are constantly starting wars with everybody. I mean, there is nothing likeable about it. Why, just objectively, would anybody say, “<i>Yea, I support Israel.</i>”? What is the point of it? It does not make any sense. So, they have to get that in there somehow and usually, I mean, Rush Limbaugh did it with the Christian Zionism and so on, but I mean, Rebel Media and Gavin McInnes are trying to be this new version of Rush Limbaugh, but it is like, if you do not believe in Christian Zionism why would anybody support Israel? What do they do?</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Exactly! Create troubles. Ever since they have existed they have created troubles.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea, I mean all of they have done is create problems for the entire planet and nobody even knows why they are there or what is going on with it. I mean, it has never been explained why they moved all those people to Palestine. They vaguely said it was because of the Holocaust, but, &#8230; I mean, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Hitler wanted to get them out, right? He relocated them, right? So they would not even have Israel, if it was not for Hitler.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea, I mean Hitler did send people to Palestine. He was just trying to send them anywhere.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yea, I get that.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean now they are 6 million in America. They are more, or about the same, as in Israel, so most of them do not even live there. So, they need this to protect them from getting gassed? [LL starts laughing] Is that actually the explanation?</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>After they ruin everything here, then they can go run and hide there with their nukes.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b>Yea, I mean, that is the reality of it. But, I am just talking about, you know, for the average person looking at this situation, nothing even makes sense. Looking at Israel it is a good place to start. It does not make any sense why they are even there.</p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Their Biblical, you know, Semitic myths are sort of tied in with that land. They think it is really theirs. I mean there have been also lots of rabbis talking about encouraging the destruction of Europe because then their Messiah can show up. I mean, I have heard lots of rabbis talking about that. So there is the spiritual element to the state of Israel.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea, I mean I guess that is why they picked it because, I mean, Herzl, the guy that came up with the Zionist concept in the late 1800s, he was talking about putting it in South America. He said that maybe you could use Palestine, but it was not really the best option because you would have to fight these Arabs. It would make more sense to put it someplace else. They already have their sovereign area in Birobidzhan in Russia, so they had this already. They have some kind of religion. I do not know. It was founded by secular people, but I guess having it in Palestine encouraged certain religious elements to get involved and really aggressive. They look down, I mean, most Jews look down on religious Jews, but they use them for the settlements and so on.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>What did you think of Annette Coulter and her comment?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">I think she was probably drinking, and I think she hates Jews as much as we do. [both laughing] I think realistically, I think she knows what is going on with them, and she has been forced to be around them. And probably knows that by playing that, “<i>I love Israel</i>” stuff that she is able to get the rest of her ideas through, so&#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>I wonder if Trump is like that too. I mean, he has got to know. He is working in Jew York, right. He has got to know [laughing] that they are in charge of a lot there, so is he just pretending to get along, or what do you think his deal is?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, I think probably some if it might be pretending and probably some of it is just that he is worked with Jews and thinks there are some that you can work with and some that you cannot and does not, maybe fully grasp how it works on the whole political level. Because he has not really ever been involved in politics.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">He had a Jew, I think he got rid of him though actually, working on his campaign. I mean, it was a Jew lawyer. The lawyer was probably good at doing whatever legal work he was doing before he put him on his campaign, and then when he was on the campaign he started causing problems and threatening journalists. So, I do not know about Donald Trump, what he thinks of the Jews. What I am concerned about Donald Trump is that he attacks, literally, all of their agendas and they sure do hate him, so what he thinks of them is not really even relevant.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>All right, just a couple more questions for you. I wanted your take on what are some things we can do to be proactive to what is coming. How can we prepare? Should we be getting self sufficient? Should we be learning skills? Should be getting fit? What do you think about that?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea, all of those things are worthwhile. I think just being psychologically prepared is probably the most important. I do not know about stocking up on food and so on. If it ever really going to get to that level, I mean, food is very cheap to produce right now. Are we really thinking of being to the point where it is like total chaos, like these prepper types are preparing for, I do not know.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">As far as like believing that there is going to be some massive collapse and everything is just going to go crazy all at once and that you have to have a storehouse of food and so much ammo. I mean, I think ammo would be a better thing to buy than food if you want to store something, but yea, I mean, to be prepared, &#8230; I think that if people can move to places that are not in the center of an American city, that is probably a good thing to do. That is a good thing to do for your mind and your health anyway, to get out of the city, so I would say if anyone has an opportunity to do that. Most people probably don’t because they have to work and the only place you can work is in a city, so, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yep.</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">But yea, I mean as far as health, this is very important and people should focus on that. I have tried to encourage this a lot on my website about diet and fitness, and so on. I mean it is a very important thing and again, not necessarily for a collapse, but just for quality of life.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Do you think in America we should be working to form a political party, or how do you see that going out? Or should we just be separatists and be thinking of something entirely different?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">No, I think there needs to be political parties, if only for the purpose of spreading the message, because in America especially it is very hard to get elected and so on. But I think we need a political ideology in America that people can get behind. I think that would be fantastic to have a rallying point. Because right now everything is on the internet and everybody is kind of confused and people are disagreeing about things, and so on.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">That is something that Donald Trump has been very good, because it kind of connects us, sort of on the very far right to the mainstream, that we support this guy just like the average Republican supports this guy, and I think that has been a powerful thing. I think that it should serve as an example of the kind of atmosphere we need to create where people can come together about certain issues, politically.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Yea, have you been networking? I am sure you are meeting lots of people from your website, right? You making friends in all kinds of places?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Yea, I do. I do. I have met up with a lot of people in real life from the website, and I have a lot of communication with a lot of different people in a lot of countries. It has been good.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>So what did you think of the, what is it – <i>Soldiers of Odin</i> in Finland – did you see that? Some guys that took to the streets because the cops are not taking care of business there in Finland. So they are just kind of patrolling and keeping an eye out because they have an influx of refugees coming into this town. And apparently there have been these refugees that were eyeing this playground of the school, just kind checking out the kids. And we know there are issues with rape and things going on. Do you think that is a good idea to self organize? To kind of be our own watch force, or is that trouble?</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Well, I mean it would depend on what country you are in and how exactly that works in America, I do not know, to organize a militia. I think it is legal, so yea, I mean people probably have to talk to a lawyer first, but, yea, I mean it is legal to organize a militia, so you might as well.</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>Hey everyone, <b>DailyStormer.com</b> is the website. If you have not been there, definitely go there. Well thanks again, Andrew!</p>
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<p><b>AA: </b><span style="color: #0000ff;">Thank you, Lana!</span></p>
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<p><b>LL: </b>If there are other edgy rightists out there, I would also recommend the website <b>TheRightStuff.biz</b> and check out the <b>The Daily Shoah</b> and also, <b>Fash The Nation</b>. When the light polite stuff or the intellectual serious stuff is in your current mood, go there.</p>
<p>It feels good to let your hair down, cut loose, and mouth off. It is perfectly natural in these times. In fact, I encourage all of you to push the limits of what is acceptable according to liberals’ social norms.</p>
<p>Challenge the libtards around you. You can still be classy about it, of course, but stop being so agreeable to get along. Keep trying new things to get the opposition off balance. Make them live up to their own book of rules, and, of course, mock and ridicule their weakest points, and most of all, enjoy it when you do. The other side senses this and it drives them to reveal what is really inside their mind.</p>
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<p><b>LL:</b> … Most liberals think the only opposition is conservatives or religious people. They won’t expect someone like you challenging them. On the flipside, try and engage with more people when you’re out and about, running errands or going to appointments. Engage in a way in which you can slip in a red pill, or two.</p>
<p>You see, the average Joe has no real idea of what is going on. And he has been programmed by words like “<i>diversity</i>”. Yet deep down, he senses things are wrong. He’s unconsciously seeking that red pill to set him free. I can see the desperation on people. This can be done in one-liners or small talk. We can plant seeds.</p>
<p>Just the other day I was at the dentist, and he and the hygienist asked me about Sweden. That opened the door to me to talk how multiculturalism is destroying Sweden. They had never heard such a thing, and were curious as though they unconsciously recognised something they needed to know. So it opened the door for more discussion on the war on Europeans overall. By the end of the conversation I could see a spark turning on inside them as if they were “<i>relieved</i>”, strengthened. like a sense of guilt had left them. That guilt programmed by the establishment.</p>
<p>White people know something’s very, very, wrong. They just need to be able to know it’s OK to say that. You see, people need to be armed. They need to hear the truth, and they need help to see the double standards. Your average person can’t do this on her own. When you walk people through the logical steps, they come right in. That’s what our people need: to be armed with the truth, to give them confidence.</p>
<p>OK, on another subject, please find my personal and professional links on Twitter, Facebook and Google+. You can also get this show on TuneIn, SoundCloud and Stitcher. Most of these programmes also go up on YouTube. <a href="http://www.radio3fourteen.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">radio3fourteen.com</a> is the website. There’s a guest you want to hear? Please send me a message.</p>
<p>Well, for the sake of fun, and in case agents are listening, I’m going to leave you with the World War II marching song for the SS, called “<strong><i>Erika</i></strong>”*.</p>
<p>Thanks, and have a good night!</p>
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<p>[*Waffen SS — <em><strong>Erika (Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein)</strong></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong><em><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MmdUNbwZlg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein</a></em></strong></span> was the marching song of the Waffen SS.</p>
<p>The song was composed by Herms Niel in 1939.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-Erika-Waffen-SS-marching-song.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="size-full wp-image-31376 alignnone" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Ice-Andrew-Anglin-Erika-Waffen-SS-marching-song.jpg" alt="" width="340" height="479" /></a></p>
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<p><strong>LYRICS — GERMAN</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">und das heißt Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Heiß von hunderttausend kleinen Bienelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">wird umschwärmt Erika</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">denn ihr Herz ist voller Süßigkeit,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">zarter Duft entströmt dem Blütenkleid.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">und das heißt: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">In der Heimat wohnt ein blondes Mägdelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">und das heißt: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Dieses Mädel ist mein treues Schätzelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">und mein Glück, Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Wenn das Heidekraut rot-lila blüht,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">singe ich zum Gruß ihr dieses Lied.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">und das heißt: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">In mein’m Kämmerlein blüht auch ein Blümelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">und das heißt: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Schon beim Morgengrau’n sowie beim Dämmerschein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">schaut’s mich an, Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Und dann ist es mir, als spräch’ es laut:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">“<i>Denkst du auch an deine kleine Braut?</i>”</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">In der Heimat weint um dich ein Mägdelein</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">und das heißt: Erika.</p>
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<p><strong>LYRICS — ENGLISH</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">On the heath a little flower blooms</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">and it’s called: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Hot from a hundred thousand little bees</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">that swarm over Erica</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">because her heart is full of sweetness,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">her flowery dress gives off a delicate scent.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">On the heath a little flower blooms</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">and it’s called: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Back home lives a little blonde farm maid</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">and she’s called: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">This girl is my faithful little darling</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">and my good fortune, Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">When the flower on the heath blooms red-lilac,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I sing her this song in greeting.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">On the heath a little flower blooms</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">and it’s called: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Another little flower blooms in my small room</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">and it’s called: Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Already in the first rays of the morning, as well as at dusk,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">it looks at me, Erika.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">And then it seems to me it speaks aloud:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">“<i>Are you also thinking of your little bride?</i>”</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Back home a farm maid weeps for you</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">and she’s called Erika.]</p>
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