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Phil Giraldi on Prigozhin, Wagner “Coup”

Fri, Jul 7, 2023

[In this podcast John Friend, from The Realist Report, talks about the recent “coup” in Russia:

“On this edition of The AFP Report, we’re joined once again by Phil Giraldi, a regular columnist for American Free Press and one of America’s leading foreign policy experts and geopolitical analysts. Phil is also a regular contributor to The Unz Review. Phil is back to discuss the alleged “coup” attempt in Russia led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader and public spokesman for the Wagner Group, a private military company funded by the Kremlin that has operated around the world and has played a key role in the “special military operation” in Ukraine. Phil wrote a lengthy column published in the current edition of the newspaper addressing the controversy and offering his analysis.”

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On this edition of The AFP Report, we’re joined once again by Phil Giraldi, a regular columnist for American Free Press and one of America’s leading foreign policy experts and geopolitical analysts. Phil is also a regular contributor to The Unz Review. Phil is back to discuss the alleged “coup” attempt in Russia led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader and public spokesman for the Wagner Group, a private military company funded by the Kremlin that has operated around the world and has played a key role in the “special military operation” in Ukraine. Phil wrote a lengthy column published in the current edition of the newspaper addressing the controversy and offering his analysis.
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John Friend: Welcome to the AFP Report. This is your host, John Friend. Today is Friday, July 7, 2023. The AFP Report is a podcast series where I will be interviewing reporters and contributors to American Free Press, America’s last real newspaper, as well as other special guests. Please consider subscribing to the newspaper if you are not already. Subscription details can be found at Americanfreepress.net.

And today, I’m joined once again by Phil Giraldi, a regular columnist for American Free Press and one of America’s leading foreign policy experts.

All right, Phil Giraldi, welcome back to the program, sir. How are you this morning?

Phil Giraldi: Fine. How about yourself?

John Friend: Not too bad, not too bad. Doing just fine.

Thank you very much for taking the time to speak with me. As always, you are a regular columnist for American Free Press, America’s last real newspaper. And you are also a featured writer at the Unz Review, which is one of the best alternative commentary and analysis websites on the Internet. And the website for the Unz Review is unz.com. And you are one of America’s leading foreign policy experts and geopolitical analysts. And we’ve got some major developments in Russia to discuss today, to say the least.

Let me, first off, start off by saying if you’re not subscribing to American Free Press, you really should be. Our website is Americanfreepress.net, and you can find subscription details and options right at the website. AFP really is America’s last real newspaper. It is a populist, independent print publication that is not afraid to address the most controversial and important issues facing the country and facing the world.

So please do consider subscribing to the newspaper if you are not already to help support our efforts.

Now, Phil, I want to discuss the alleged coup attempt in Russia, led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader and public spokesman for the Wagner Group, which is this private military company funded by the Kremlin, funded by the Russian Ministry of Defense that has operated around the world, that’s operated in Syria, in parts of Africa.

And, of course, it has played a key role in the quote, unquote:

“Special Military Operation in Ukraine.”

There has been a public feud, to put it very lightly, developing, between Prigozhin and commanders of the Wagner Group, which, as I said, has played a leading role in the Special Military Operation in Ukraine, and the Russian military leadership centered in the Ministry of Defense in Moscow. Prigozhin has been very critical of the MOD and the military bureaucracy, essentially arguing that they are sabotaging the war effort. They are failing to supply the Wagner Group with ammunition and other critical supplies. And they even allege that they have targeted Wagner forces in military strikes, including, most recently, apparently, that’s what led up to this alleged coup, is they were attacked by, I believe, either helicopters or missile strikes.

Now, a lot of Russian nationalists and military hardliners have been just as critical of the Kremlin’s prosecution of the so-called Special Military Operation.

[03:30]

So a lot of the critiques that Prigozhin has offered of the Ministry of Defense and the Kremlin more broadly do not appear to be entirely off base.

So I’m curious. Just to get started, what do you make of this dispute between Prigozhin and the Ministry of Defense, which is led by a man named Sergei Shoigu, who, from what I understand, what I’ve read about him, this guy does not even have a military background? And he appears to be a very corrupt, very unpopular figure running the Ministry of Defense in Russia. So is this just a conflict between two corrupt oligarchs, or what is going on here? What’s your assessment?

Phil Giraldi: Well, I like your use of the word “alleged” about this plot. [chuckling] There are a lot of holes in the story that need to be explored more, and hopefully in the next couple of weeks we’ll find out more.

But, yeah, this is a conflict between two oligarchs to a certain extent. And bear in mind that Prigozhin also does not have any military background. He’s a businessman. He made a lot of his money in catering to the Russian government, in publications. He acquired the Wagner Group basically as one of his business interests. So he’s not a General. He’s not a military man.

The fact is, I think the complaints that he’s raising are legitimate. I have been unable to confirm that the Russians actually either use missiles or helicopters to attack his soldiers. That’s one of his claims. But certainly a lot of the other stuff does appear to be true. His central complaint is that the war is being fought way too timidly, that this should have been resolved a long time ago. And it would have required, obviously, a much greater effort and a political decision by Vladimir Putin that this was the way to go. But Putin has been playing it the other way, trying to keep casualties down and to lower the intensity.

So it’s all kind of legitimate up to that level. What bothers me when you go from there is the whole issue of whether Pregosian actually intended to use the Wagner Group to stage something like acoup d’étator to remove certain people. You named one general, and there are other generals that he has fingered before as being complicit. Was this really his intention, or was it to scare someone into changing policy? So that remains unclear.

John Friend: Yeah, that’s a good point. And there are a lot of mysteries surrounding this entire situation. And you sort of talked about the background of this Prigozhin character. From what I understand again, I’m certainly no expert in Russian history or Russian politics, but from what I understand, he is like this more or less corrupt oligarch, like pretty much everybody running Russia and running the West, running Europe. It seems to be a problem all around the world as we have these corrupt oligarchs in position of power and influence. And you’re right.

[07:11]

And also, I think it’s worth pointing out that he actually served a jail term in Russia. I’m not sure exactly how long. I think it was over five years.

So this man is a convicted criminal. He came out and set up this catering business. He was catering to the Kremlin. He was catering to the Russian military, even, from what I understand, like Russian schools and stuff. So he built up this business empire and eventually took over this Wagner group, or he’s become the public spokesperson of it. I think originally the Wagner Group goes back to 2014, and it was founded by Russian nationalists, basically, from what I understand.

So it’s a really interesting situation. Most of the budget, if not all of it, for the Wagner group, comes directly from the Russian government, from the Ministry of Defense.

So it’s a really sort of interesting situation. The alleged coup. Whenever I use the word “coup” when I’m writing, I always put it in quotes because I’m not certain this was an alleged coup or really how to even characterize it’s. A very bizarre situation.

This unfolded on Saturday, June 24, so almost two weeks ago. And allegedly Prigozhin and other Wagner forces marched on Rostov-on-Don, which is where the Russian Army’s Southern Command is located. And this Southern Command was primarily responsible for prosecuting the Special Military Operation in Ukraine. It’s not far from Ukrainian territory, and apparently they took over some key buildings in the city which housed Russian military personnel directing the war. They had some negotiations and they had some other forces march on Moscow!

And this is when the president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, apparently stepped in and negotiated directly with Prigozhin and elements in the Kremlin. And they came up with a deal that basically sent Prigozhin and Wagner to Belarus. All the charges against Prigozhin and other Wagner fighters were dropped, and many of them were offered contracts to officially integrate into the Russian military structure. So help us understand this.

I mean, I saw video footage. There’s a guy named Patrick Lancaster who is an American guy that lives over in Ukraine, and he’s like this independent journalist. He goes out and films right on the front lines in many cases. And he’s been covering Russia and sort of like Central Asia, the conflicts that have erupted there over the years for a very long time. And he does some really interesting work.

And he was actually in Rostov-on-Don right when Wagner was getting there, and sort of this was all kind of unfolding. And you watch his video and everybody in the town is, like, praising Wagner and is totally in support of this group rolling through the town.

[10:03]

And then they eventually evacuated and left the city, and they didn’t make it to Moscow. So kind of walk us through this. What is your understanding of what actually took place? I mean, the latest reports that I’ve seen is that Prigozhin is actually back in Russia. He’s not even in Belarus. He’s actually in St. Petersburg.

And he apparently even recently walked right into an FSB building, which is, like Russia’s, essentially the FBI, from what I understand, like the Russian Federal Security Service, he walked right into an FSB building in the city and took back his pistol and allegedly some money and other arms that were confiscated in a raid by Russian law enforcement when this alleged coup was going down. So help us make some sense of this, Phil. I’m confused! [chuckling]

Phil Giraldi: Well, that’s the part that has me if not confused, maybe “bemused” would be a better word. There’s something fishy about all this. Here you have an armed insurrection against the central government, and this guy gets off the hook with some kind of deal where he was supposed to go into exile, and he stays there for about, what, eight or nine days?

And then suddenly he’s back where his principal mansion is in St. Petersburg. Which is where he’s from, incidentally. And he goes by the local intelligence law enforcement office and picks up, one account. I saw, something like $100 million worth of gold and cash boxes and boxes of $100 bills. He picks up a bunch of duplicate false passports. He picks up disguises. He picks up all the stuff that was found in his house when they searched it after the deal was made for him to go to Belarus.

So this is very smelly, [chuckling] shall we say?

And then, of course, there’s the other side of what has been going on around this story, which is the intelligence services side. The United States intelligence agencies, I don’t know whether it was CIA or Office of National Intelligence, briefed Congress days before this event took place to tell them about it, and we still don’t know what they told them.

Apparently, the Russians, and including at least one of the generals that was under suspicion, knew about this in advance. And we also know that Prigozhin, because of the activity of Wagner in Africa, has made trips to that area where he very well could have been targeted by Western intelligence. So somebody knew about all of this. And I rather suspect that it may be even more complicated than that.

One thing I’m hearing from my remaining CIA contacts is that they’ve come to the conclusion that this was a “deception operation”, which means maybe that Fragosian agreed to do something with Western intelligence, but then turned around and told Putin and his advisors about it. And they concocted this scheme to make this kind of painless action happen in some way, to make Western intelligence and the Western governments look stupid after they weighed in on it.

[13:44]

John Friend: Interesting! Yeah. Boy, it’s really tough to know exactly what was going on with this entire situation. I’m looking at the TASS news agency, which is like, I think it’s actually funded by the Russian government on the official news agency of Russia. And this is just from this morning headline here:

“Kremlin has nothing to add on question of Wagner chief’s whereabouts.”

And they’re quoting Dmitry Peskov, who’s, like the spokesman for the Kremlin, saying that they have no information on Prigozhin’s location or his whereabouts. They have nothing to say.

So it’s a very weird situation. I mean, when Putin came on TV, and I don’t know if he directly accused Prigozhin himself or even Wagner directly. I don’t know if he actually specifically named them as being traitors, but he was basically alluding to that.

So, I mean, it’s a very weird situation how you could, on the one hand, basically insinuate or allude to or even outright imply that these men are traitors, and yet ten minutes later, you’re offering them amnesty and allowing them to essentially escape into Belarus. And then if these reports are accurate, which they appear to be, the Kremlin is basically confirming this, that Prigozhin is back in Russia.

Phil Giraldi: Yeah, that’s absolutely correct. And Lukashenko has confirmed that. He said:

“That he’s no longer in Belarus.”

He was in, as I suggested before, St. Petersburg.

And then Lukashenko made an interesting comment. [chuckling] He said:

“For all I know, he could be back in Moscow.”

John Friend: Right.

Phil Giraldi: So that was kind of entertaining, shall we say.

But obviously something is going on behind the scenes here. If this guy really staged an armed intervention or whatever you want to call it, coup directed against the Russian government, why did they cut a deal with him? And why is he running loose?

There has to be another story that we don’t really know about yet. And going back to what you were saying about what Putin said, Putin did call them “traitors” at the point when they were occupying Rostov. This was his first public comment on the evening when all of this was happening.

But then he walked that back.

John Friend: Okay.

Phil Giraldi: Said that these were loyal Russian soldiers, and indeed, the soldiers in the Wagner group probably didn’t know anything about this, why they were marching or what they were doing. They were following orders.

So this is a mysterious thing. And then Putin, interestingly, made a speech the next day in which he really, to my mind, directly implicated Western governments and Western intelligence services in having cranked this thing up.

John Friend: Wow! Really? Okay. Yeah. You’ve kind of already alluded to that. But I am curious what you think of the potential role that the CIA, for example, or NATO or other Western intelligence agencies played in all of this.

[16:49]

Phil Giraldi: Well, it depends on what incentives they might have. Let’s presume that if they wanted to get in touch with this guy, they would have figured out a way to do it. And whether it was in Africa or whether it was in Ukraine itself, wherever he was, they probably knew where he was and figured out a way to access him.

So in this kind of case, they would probably be thinking in terms of:

“What kind of incentives can we offer this individual to do just that, to destabilize the Russian government of Putin, by staging what would appear to be a military uprising.”

And as you mentioned in the beginning, there is indeed a lot of popular support for, or rather popular criticizm of the way the war is being waged.

So this was not exactly a gesture that was toothless.

John Friend: Right!

Phil Giraldi: Yeah.

So there are so many things that go together in this pot and we’re still, I think, seeing what’s coming out of it. And to me, the most astonishing part is that Prigozhin is now running loose in Russia, and nobody knows where, or no one is claiming to know where he is.

John Friend: Right. Well, this kind of gets to a broader question. How do you think that this alleged, quote, unquote, “coup” impacts the Putin regime and it’s credibility? I mean, that’s kind of like a big talking point that I’ve heard from mainstream analysts. And I just have a hard time listening to these talking heads proclaim that Putin is losing credibility and facing this huge internal crisis, when really it was more or less a big nothing burger.

I mean, there were reports that some helicopters got shot down and there may have been a few deaths. I don’t even know if that’s been really confirmed. But this whole coup situation really appears to be more of like a PR type thing more than anything else.

So I have a hard time listening to these people get up there and say that Putin is facing this huge crisis when France is literally on fire, facing a genuine insurrection from all these immigrants that they brought into their country. America is more divided and dysfunctional than ever. I mean, it seems like the credibility of our regimes are much more suspect than what’s going on in Russia. But that could just be my opinion. I don’t know. What do you think?

Phil Giraldi: No, I think you’ve nailed the main point. Maybe this was what the Russians, what the Russian government, if they were colluding with Prigozhin on this whole theatrical event, if we want to look at it that way, maybe this is the point that they were trying to make! So we’ll see. This will probably surface in the next couple of weeks while the story is still hot, and we have to take it where it goes.

[19:46]

But the fact is that the United States and NATO effort to support this counterattack being staged by Ukraine has been nothing but a failure. And anyone that is thinking Russia is going to militarily lose this war, I think is just blowing smoke. Russia has a very large and very modern arms industry, which most Western countries no longer have. And Russia and Putin is very popular.

In spite of concerns about the war, he is very popular.

So I think that they’re kind of hoping for something to happen. There was comments by Tony Blinken, our alleged Secretary of State shortly after this started, and he was saying:

“Russia is falling apart. Russia is losing the war. Russia is doing this. Vladimir Putin is hated all over the world!”

All of this stuff is nonsense!

John Friend: Yeah, well, see, that to me, is really the goal of the Deep State controlling Washington, DC. These neocons controlling the federal government, not only in DC, but also in Brussels and NATO. Their main priority is dragging out this conflict, killing as many Russians, and Ukrainians, for that matter, and other foreign fighters that are going to fight. It seems like most of these people coming from overseas are going to fight for the Ukrainians for some bizarre reason, but just basically killing as many Europeans, I should add, as possible in this conflict. Weakening Russia, creating turmoil and chaos, and ultimately they want a regime change and a total dismemberment of the Russian Federation.

And this seems to be something that Putin himself and the Russian political leadership understand full well.

So I guess one question I had I actually have a couple of questions. One is relating to your assessment of how this Special Military Operation has been prosecuted.

But secondly, and maybe we can start with this, it seems like Putin does recognize this, right, based on his speeches and his critiques of the West and NATO and just their overall policy.

So if he seemingly understands all of this and recognizes that these people in DC absolutely hate him! Absolutely hate Russia and everything that Russia stands for, and want to see this country dismembered, just like they did in the Middle East, just like they did in the Balkans, why does he continue to seemingly be Hoodwinked by the West?

Putin has basically admitted that the Russians got fooled by the West with the Minsk Accords, that the West and Ukraine never honestly attempted to implement the measures laid out in these accords, and that it was basically this big ploy to build up Ukraine’s military and to take back all of the Donbas in Crimea.

[22:56]

So, I mean, for what, like, eight years, Russia was played by the West, deceived by the West. And this is something that these military hardliners and Russian nationalists have been saying for almost ten years now. They’ve been very critical of this.

So, on the one hand, Putin seems to be continually deceived by the West. And even more recently, it was revealed that right when Russia had its troops surrounding Kiev and basically in full control, not full control of the country, but they more or less had Kiev surrounded, had much of the Eastern part of the country under their control, shortly after this Special Military Operation was launched last year, they entered into negotiations with Kiev in Turkey, and they had an agreement finalized, which was apparently initialed by representatives from both Ukraine and Russia. And then Putin, in a gesture of goodwill – I don’t know why he would do this, it makes no sense to me – he withdrew Russian troops, and then Ukraine proceeded to tear up the deal at the behest of NATO and their puppet masters in Washington, DC.

So I just don’t understand this. Can you address this for me? Why does Russia continue to let the West and Ukraine fool them, seemingly, in such brazen ways?

Phil Giraldi: Well, I think the simple answer to that is that Putin is kind of an international character. He lived a large part of his life in the West, in Germany in particular, and he has long sought to build economic bridges, like Nord Stream, for example, with Western Europe, because he saw the future of Russia as being in that direction.

Now, in terms of why the war took place, well, even those who will not see eventually do see.

And I think he realized that there was no going forward in that direction anymore, particularly since the United States and Britain were pushing strongly against him and encouraging Ukraine. And he decided on the special or the limited military intervention to, first of all, take back Donbas, which he has basically done, and then to build a land bridge between Donbas and the Crimea, which he has essentially done.

I don’t think he ever had an intention of trying to conquer Ukraine or take it over, because then he would have been confronted with a 40 million person country waging guerrilla war against him for the next 20 years! I think he understood that.

So I think, I made a joke when I was talking to Judge Napolitano last week. I said:

“Sometimes when you judge Putin by what he says and what he does, he could very much come across as the only adult in the room.”

John Friend: Right? Well, that’s certainly true. I mean, listening to Putin and other Russian political figures address the press and just answer questions, these people are much more serious, much more honorable, much more honest, much more straightforward than anything you’d see in DC or Brussels or London. It’s like a whole other level.

I guess I understand the point you’re making, but it’s almost like, how many times is he going to like, I mean and I don’t know. I guess I don’t mean to be too critical of him because he is in a very tough situation. Right?

[26:24]

But at the same time, it’s like these people totally hate you and everything you stand for and want to see you overthrown! And yet it’s like he still continues to try to play nice with them. I just don’t understand it. And that seems to be how this Special Military Operation has basically been prosecuted from the beginning. Gestures of goodwill and attempts to limit casualties, which is very noble and understandable to a certain extent.

But at the end of the day, how is this going to play out, I guess? How does this work when the other side is absolutely determined to see regime change, to see the Russian Federation totally dismembered and broken into a million pieces and totally rendered impotent on the world stage? When you have the one side operating from that mindset, and Russia continues to at least seemingly be conciliatory and try to strike a deal and try to come to a reasonable conclusion. It’s like one side is totally irrational and not reasonable, and Russia continues to be rational and reasonable. You know what I mean?

Phil Giraldi: Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean.

And of course, this is probably a strategic kind of issue where how he sees, he and his government see the long term interests of Russia and how they are really engaged in protecting that. That’s why this war took place. When Putin and Russia perceived that vital national security interests were at stake, because it looked at that point like NATO would welcome Ukraine, and there was continuing artillery fire into Donbas, which killed, what, 8,500 civilians?

So there were issues that were vital national security issues for him. And when he perceived that, he acted! I applaud him for being courageous and doing what was right for his country.

Now, we find that the loonies continue to be in charge. In Washington. We have Joe Biden, I guess, today, signing off on these cluster munitions going into this war. Cluster munitions are, for most of the world, the use of the cluster munitions is considered to be a war crime.

So we’re committing a war crime!

And then there was a report today where US drones in Syria were interfered with by Russian aircraft. Now Russian aircraft are in Syria at the invitation of the Syrian government. We are in there as a hostile force illegally! And somehow we feel we have the will of God, or the right to engage in this kind of practice, to engage in military actions in a foreign country which we are legally engaged in. This is ridiculous!

[29:41]

John Friend: Right. Absolutely! Well, that’s sort of like, I guess, a question we can kind of wrap up with is, how politically, like, domestically in America? We got an election coming up next year. The Biden administration is just I mean, they, they’ve just pledged unlimited amounts of money to Ukraine. We continue to do. So unlimited amounts of money, unlimited amounts of weaponry and equipment. Same thing, basically, with all of Western Europe and all the NATO countries.

At some point, you’ve got to think that this is going to turn into be a major political liability to continue to support this absurd, counterproductive, ridiculous policy of just endlessly supplying Ukraine with weapons. How do you see this impacting the upcoming election? I mean, do you think that the Democrats are going to finally recognize that this is just simply unsustainable?

Phil Giraldi: I think a lot of them have already recognized that, as well as a fair number of Conservatives. But bear in mind that there are crazy people on both sides, in both parties. And our former vice president Mike Pence yesterday, I believe, said that:

“If Ukraine is beaten by the Russians in this war (whatever that means in his mind) we would have to intervene and go to war with Russia!”

John Friend: Yeah, right. Yeah, these people will continue to double down. It seems like this is their pet issue. And like you said, both sides are going along with this madness.

And I think that has something to do with the fact that both sides are more or less controlled by the same neocon Zionist factions that have long dominated American politics. And yeah, so I guess we’ll see what’s going to happen.

I mean, this alleged coup situation, I think more information is going to come out, and I simply don’t know what to make of it at the moment. I’m starting to think actually now that it was sort of this deception operation by the Russians to sort of throw off the Western intelligence agencies and make it appear as if Russia is divided or something like that, when in fact it’s nothing of the sort.

So I don’t know. I guess we’ll see. But I don’t know. Phil, did you have any other concluding remarks before we wrap up here?

Phil Giraldi: No, I think we always come back, I think, sensibly enough to the same kind of question. Why are we there at all? There was never a vital American interest in interfering in this war, if you want to call it that. The United States was never threatened by it. And now we’ve escalated this to a situation where if this goes nuclear, the United States will definitely be threatened by it, and it could destroy pretty much of the world as we know it!

So, I mean, this is an absurd kind of escalation, development, however you want to phrase it, and it’s all done for internal US politics, where, as you point out, that hideous group known as the “neocons” have control over what takes place and how it takes place. And we have to maybe be thinking in terms of let’s not see any more neocons at the top levels of the State Department and national security apparatus. Maybe that’s something we should aspire to.

John Friend: Yes, absolutely!

Well, Phil, thanks a lot for taking the time. I appreciate it. Keep up the great work. And guys, be sure to check out Phil’s article in the latest issue of American Free Press. The website is Americanfreepress.net. And Phil, take care, man. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. We’ll do this again in the future.

Phil Giraldi: Okay. Thank you for having me on.

[33:27]

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Freya July 8, 2023 5:08 AM
The American expert in geopolitics never says:
IT’S THE JEWS. Why not? Not mentioning the JEWISH ROLE (elephant in the room) means walking in the dark…
Q.: WHO is “Prigozhin”?
A.: He is a JEW, a mercenary hired by a JEWISH oligarch faction working out of Russia – more OR LESS IN CONTROL of the “Russian government”? i.e. Putin’s position remains stable (as said Hungarian President Viktor Orban)
Q.: WHAT is the “Wagner group”?
A.: Another version of “Al Qaida” – “ISIS” (I-srahellish S-ecret I-ntelligence S-ervices) – another Mossad “Special Operation”!!!
WHERE does the German name “Wagner” come from?
A.: A psychological mind game? Subconsciously always hinting at some “hidden German” involvement? Never forget: BLAME THE GERMANS! It is always about “Nazis” in the Ukraine… who “must be totally beaten”!!!
In reality: It is always JEWS under disguise – here and there.
JEWISH anti-Ukrainian mercenary Prigozhin’s criticism of the PUTIN government: “The war is fought much too timidly”… …
Prigozhin, i.e. the ISRAHELLISH MOSSAD FACTION would prefer to fight the Ukrainian nationalists THE JEWISH TALMUDIC SATANIC WAY… Storched earth!!! As many deaths as possible. As many billions for profit as possible. By bombing everything into rubble… leaving a totally destroyed wasteland behind… just like Germany in WWII
It is the US-British JEWISH-TALMUDIC WAY… on how to wage war for over a hundred years, since 1917 – Always attacking countries / nations which DID NOT ATTACK (North) America & Britain first!!! Always leaving waste land behind WWI, WWII etc … endless WAR OF TERROR!!!
Creating a never ending INVASION of Muslim rapefugees into all white countries as a result!!! Replacement Migration!!! White Genocide!!!
Consolidating JEWISH POWER.

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[John Friend talks with Monika Schaefer on a proposed law by ZOG Canada that would make “Holocaust” denial a criminal offence. Making it a crime to expose a diabolical lie.

The only reason such a law is being pushed, nearly 80 years after WWII is that Orgjew fears their hoax of the 20th century – the “Holocaust” of six million jews being mass murdered – will be exposed to more and more thinking people, which in turn will cause exposure to their actual White genocide agenda now in progress.

Orgjew’s strategy is to make any form of White resistance to Orgjew’s genocide agenda of Whites as being genocidal to jews, using the “Holocaust” hoax as “proof”. As in the Polish saying, “The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you!”

— KATANA]

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Monika Schaefer

Canadian “Holocaust Denial” Bills

May 31, 2022

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Published on May 31, 2022

The Realist Report – Monika Schaefer: Canadian “Holocaust Denial” Bills

May 31, 2022 Realist Report

On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined once again by Monika Schaefer, a German-Canadian activist and revisionist. Monika is back to discuss some recent news items, including a controversial bill introduced in Canada that would criminalize “Holocaust” denial, and to give some updates on her brother Alfred. Alfred is currently imprisoned in Germany due to his publicly expressed views

on the alleged Jewish “Holocaust” and other aspects of WWII history. We also discuss the Kehillah, a very hierarchical Jewish secret society that Ben Klassen wrote about in his book Nature’s Eternal Religion.

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John Friend: All right folks. Welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. Today is Tuesday, May 31st, 20022.

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All right, with that said, let me introduce our special guest. Monika Shaefer is joining us once again. Monika is a German-Canadian activist and revisionist and her website is freespeechmonika.com. All right. Monika Schaefer. Welcome back to the program. How are you today? It’s great to have you.

Monika Schaefer: I’m doing very well thanks John! I’m just so looking forward to this interview and talking with you again. Yeah thanks.

John Friend: Yeah, you’ve been a guest a number of times on the program. And you’re one of my favorite people to talk to. And, of course, there’s no shortage of topics to cover. And I want to kind of jump right into it. Your website is freespeechmonika.com and I will, of course, have a link to your website when I post this podcast program. I’ve also got your website linked on the right-hand sidebar of my website under the recommended sites. So people can find it that way as well, or just go to freespeechmonika.com.

And I know you’re also involved in the Truth and Justice for Germans Society which is truthandjusticeforGermans.com. And I recently read an article that just came out just a couple days ago. And it was a sort of like a Q&A written conversation that you had with NS-Kampf ruf. Am I pronouncing that correctly?

Monika Schaefer: Yes it was also in the New Order this is NS, National Socialism. But it’s a fellow in the United States, who has also been persecuted and jailed for his views on, you know, National Socialist Germany. And he did this interview with me back in during the winter. This came out in the January and the February issue. And I had it on my own website. But I just recently put it on to the Truth and Justice for Germans website as well.

John Friend: Okay. Very good. Yeah, it’s great. Yeah. I know it’s great. It kind of gives your background and your sort of wake up to Revisionism. And I want to remind everybody we actually did a what it turned out to be a really good Q&A as well. Sort of similar to this. We covered a few different topics but we actually published it in the Barnes Review, as sort of like a written Q&A interview with Monika Schaefer, persecuted Canadian thinker. And we talked about your situation in Germany, and your views on the “Holocaust”.

And kind of got into some of the information relating to Alfred, your brother, which we’ll talk about as we wrap up this podcast.

But I just wanted to remind everybody that was in the November, December 2020 issue of the Barnes Review. And, of course, I would highly recommend everybody to go out and subscribe to the Barnes Review. It’s really the last like Revisionist print publication. One of the top ones in America. I know this other one that you mentioned, the New Order. Do they actually print physical, …

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: Okay. So there is, …

Monika Schaefer: And they get translated into many languages as well, online. Now their website got taken down recently, but the fellow who is doing this he is working hard at getting a few like a series of websites back up. It’s incredible actually. It’s Gerhard Lauck. And you may have heard that name, or perhaps, yes?

John Friend: Yeah, I know that sounds familiar.

Monika Schaefer: He’s an incredibly hard worker. And he’s been out this for decades really. I mean, he was born into activism, I think! [chuckling]

John Friend: Very good. Well, that’s cool. I’m glad to hear that. There’s not enough printed material anymore. It’s always a challenge to do that. There’s costs involved with it. But I think it is important. I mean, as you said, we can get censored so easily online.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and his publication it’s like four pages each time. And it’s just pages that are stapled together. So it’s not like the Barnes Review magazine, which I will do a shout out, to add to what you just said, to highly recommend that people subscribe to. It really is excellent that publication. And I was just so honored that you did that interview with me! Thanks, John! [chuckling]

John Friend: Yeah, of course, no problem. Yeah, I think it turned out really good. Very sort of unique and the Barnes Review is always covering a lot of very unique aspects of history. So again everybody check it out. It’s Barnes Review.org, or you could go to Barnes Review dot com it basically takes you to the same place. And you can check out some of the articles, some of the interviews. And, of course, subscribe to the print publication.

There’s also a huge list of books for sale including pretty much all of the major “Holocaust” revisionist books. So check it out!

Anyways, Monika I want to talk first about this recently introduced. Well, I guess it was back in February, there was a government budget that was introduced in Canada. Basically criminalizing “Holocaust” denial.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I don’t want to interrupt you.

John Friend: But, oh no, just real briefly. Just some quick background. It was a basically from my understanding – you can correct me if I’m wrong – it was a new Criminal Code offense for denying the “Holocaust”. And this was inserted into a recently proposed Budget Bill.

And then there was also from what I understand a near identical piece of legislation that was proposed in the House of Commons by a Conservative MP named Kevin Waugh, W-A-U-G-H. I’m not sure if I’m pronouncing that correctly.

Monika Schaefer: I think you are.

John Friend: It was basically introduced as an actual piece of legislation. And then also it was introduced as part of the Criminal Code in the Budget Bill. And it, from what I understand, both of the legislation and the actual budget are still in the process of being ratified. So it hasn’t officially been adopted from what I understand.

But anyways, why don’t you comment on that. What do you know, about the situation? Carolyn Yeager wrote a really good article on May first, that I’ll have linked when I post this podcast, kind of outlining everything and discussing it. And, of course, talking about the jewish organizations that were central in promoting this legislation. So go ahead.

Monika Schaefer: I’m going to read that article. I haven’t read that article yet. But here’s what I know. It seems to be that the Criminal Code amendment, … See the Criminal Code of Canada already has this Hate Speech law in it, Section 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada. And they want to add this other part, to that specifically makes “Holocaust” denial a criminal offense.

Here’s the thing John, why did they embed this in the Budget Bill? Now, what does legislating how history went down. First of all that shouldn’t be legislated in the at all! I mean, isn’t it a ridiculous thing to legislate our history? Isn’t that something that historians should be dealing with, not the law?

But even if it was something that was appropriate for the lawmakers, what are they doing putting it into the Budget Bill? It kind of reminds me of I used to hear a lot about your Omnibus Bills in the States, where they would put, you know, maybe 300 different things within an Omnibus Bill, so that half the people, the representatives that are voting yay, or nay, they don’t even know what’s in it! They just go along with what they’re supposed to do. Like the party Whip tells them how to vote.

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So a Budget Bill, that’s an annual thing that happens every year. And the NDP in Canada that’s the New Democratic Party. There are, I’ve already said, they’re supporting the Liberal Party which has a minority. So they basically are constituting the government. And it’s already must have gone through the third reading, because it’s in front of the Senate right now.

I read an article, just a few days ago, what the B’nai Brith Canada, they are making recommendations of course, you know. That’s how it works. These jewish organizations, and B’nai Brith is 100% jewish organization, they make recommendations to the Senate on this new “Holocaust” Denial Bill.

So some of the things they’re saying is, well they want this word “distortion” in it, rather than “downplaying”. So anybody who distorts the so-called facts about the so-called “Holocaust”, that instead of this word, “downplaying”. I’m not sure what their reasoning on that is. But here’s the big one that we need to take note of they specifically say that they want to remove the ability for anyone to use “defense of truth” against the charges.

So if you’ve been charged with this “Holocaust” denial Criminal Code offense, then you cannot say in my defense “I have truth” in my defense. You cannot use that since, quote:

“The facts around the ‘Holocaust‘ are well established, and well documented.”

This is what they’re saying. I mean, isn’t that the mantra? Yeah go ahead.

John Friend: Well isn’t that a common tactic in some of these “Holocaust” trials where the judge will take, I believe they refer to it as “judicial notice”?

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

John Friend: Where they basically affirm the standard “Holocaust” narrative. And they basically say it’s common knowledge. And it’s not really up for dispute, or questioning, therefore you can’t even present your perspective. Yeah, it’s really, talk about like Orwellian, tyrannical like in your face!

Monika Schaefer: They brought up Ernest Zundel’s case, B’nai Brith did in their recommendations to the Senate. So they were saying, because Ernst Zundel, the retrial in his case, the court there took judicial notice that the “Holocaust” existed, and allowing a defense of truth would be a step backwards. This is what they say. This would be a step backwards.

Yeah, they want this, because otherwise this “defense of truth” can be used to repeatedly litigate whether the “Holocaust” happened. You see, they really don’t like it when the “Holocaust” goes on trial, because they don’t have any facts on their side.

John Friend: And they get exposed big time. Yeah, they don’t want any sort of discussion, or honest debate, or questioning, or just open dialogue on this subject.

Monika Schaefer: And the history of this judicial notice goes right back to the Nuremberg Trials in which Articles 19 and, 201, so people can look this up. We don’t just make this stuff up.

Those two articles in the Nuremberg Trials basically – just to paraphrase it because I don’t have them in front of me. But they said that evidence is not required, because it is something that is common knowledge. And something that is common knowledge does not require evidence. So if it is self-evident, it does not require evidence.

So they basically just declared the “Holocaust” happened. And there was not going to be any room for defense, or facts about what actually happened, or didn’t. Well, in particular, any facts that were telling the truth about what didn’t happen.

You see here they allege something happened. And then they put the onus on the people who are saying it didn’t happen, to prove it didn’t happen, which I really think that the onus is on the wrong people here. Like in all the cases since then, where they took judicial notice thereof.

And the Ernst Zundel trials in the 1980s, in Toronto, that was a big exception, where evidence and facts actually did make it into the court. And it was historical! It was absolutely phenomenal! And if I had taken the time and the care at that time – I was in my 20s – to read the fine print of the newspaper articles that reported on this, I would have learned a lot. Because the newspaper articles if you read the fine print, they actually did report a lot of what was said.

However, the headlines were still even portraying Ernst Zundel as kind of a madman, a bad man, maybe a crazy man. All those things, right. And also the radio. I mean, day after day. I remember my father liked to listen to the CBC radio news. And so it was kind of background noise. Actually, it wasn’t. I was out gone from the home. But I guess I listened to this stuff. It was background noise for me. I didn’t really pay too much attention to it. But all I knew was:

“Sounds like this guy is kind of a nut case!”

That’s how they portrayed him. However, if you had read the fine print [chuckling], you would have learned a lot! [chuckling].

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John Friend: Yeah. And realize:

“Oh, this guy actually makes a lot of sense!”

And is presenting a very legitimate and rational perspective. And he’s not at all this evil monster, or this irrational, jew hater, or something like that. I mean, he was a very knowledgeable, bright, funny, compassionate, very affable man. I mean, that’s how Ernst Zundel was. And that’s the way he came across if you just sat down and listened to him.

Monika Schaefer: All of the above is true! It’s so true! I mean, I’ve listened to quite a few of his interviews, and I’m telling you cannot help but like the man. And he is highly intelligent. And yeah, I mean, he’s a pacifist. He’s a self-proclaimed pacifist.

He came to Canada, I think he was 19, or 20 years old. He was a war baby he was born in 1939. So his childhood was kind of shaped by war-torn Germany. And then he wanted to go to a country where there was no draft, because of his pacifism, and this kind of thing.

And then it was sometime after he arrived in Canada that he started to learn about the truth about Germany. And he wanted to restore the honor of Germany and Germans. Like he wanted to restore the honor, because really Germany and Germans have been vilified and demonized, not just during and after World War II, but decades before that. And ever since! Don’t you think John? I think that the vilification of the Germans hasn’t really abated.

John Friend: No, you’re absolutely right! And I think it’s actually only expanded to incorporate the entire Western world.

Monika Schaefer: Actually, yeah, you’re right. It’s expanded to incorporate all White people!

John Friend: All White people, exactly.

Monika Schaefer: All White people.

John Friend: Well Ernest Zundel’s struggles to restore Germany’s honor are definitely carried on by people like you, and the Truth and Justice for Germans website, that society. I think that’s some very, very, very important work.

And really anybody talking openly and honestly about World War II, about the alleged jewish “Holocaust”, and engaging in historical revisionism sort of carries on this legacy, and I think it’s one of the most important endeavors. Certainly from a scholarly, or historical perspective.

Because this is one of the most weaponized narratives of history, that is constantly rammed down our throat! It almost seems like every month there’s some sort of like “Holocaust” Remembrance Day, whether it’s in America, or Israel, or any country around the world. There’s these “Holocaust” Museums everywhere! All across the world!

Monika Schaefer: They’re certainly ramping it up, aren’t they?

John Friend: Yeah, it’s insane! One thing I was curious, do you think that this is gonna backfire? I mean, won’t it sort of wake more people up to the concept of “Holocaust” revisionism, and get people to start to question, why can’t we openly discuss this one event in history? What is so special about this?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. I think you’re right. Although they just carry on, they carry on. However, I think what has woken people up, or caused people to maybe look twice at all of these things, more than anything else, is this last couple of years of this Covid scam! And all the things they’ve been doing to us with that!

I know a lot of people have gone along with it. But they do skew the numbers on that, too. I mean, I know we see masked people. And so a lot of people have fallen for it. And they’re very, very afraid of that very, very bad, bad, bad, virus! [chuckling] And now it’s going to be the Monkeypox!

But so many people have actually woken up. That is a really good thing. And so then it’s really important, it’s up to us to connect the dots for people that when we do talk about World War II history, the “Holocaust”, all these new laws and, …

John Friend: Okay Monika. I’m sorry about that. I’m not sure what happened.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it just suddenly lost.

John Friend: Yeah. But look we could just pick up right where we left off. You were saying something about how these new laws were gonna start sort of waking people up, I believe is where you’re going.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, basically connecting the dots with what they’re doing right now with the Covid scam, what they’ve been doing in the last two two and a half years, with all of that. So many people know there’s something not quite right with that. And so this is the time when we really need to connect all these dots for people. That these things are not separate from each other. They’re not in little boxes, and categories, separate from each other. I think that is really important right now.

John Friend: Yeah. I know. I tend to agree with you. And that’s also what some Civil Liberties groups in Canada are saying. I’m looking at an article here from the National Post, which I believe is one of the top newspapers in Canada, correct?

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: Like one of the more mainstream.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it’s definitely mainstream.

John Friend: This is an article from May 19th. So just a couple weeks ago. And the title is “Government Bill on “Holocaust” Denial Ineffective and Likely Unconstitutional”. Civil Liberties group. So the Civil Liberties group is basically saying that this is not even going to work. And it’s probably illegal! Let me just read a couple excerpts here from this article:

“Civil Liberties groups say a proposed law that would make “Holocaust” denial a criminal offense is likely unconstitutional and unlikely to be effective in dealing with anti-semitism. The Liberals have included a proposed change to the criminal law in their budget that would make, quote ‘condoning, denying, or downplaying, the “Holocaust” a criminal offense’. Cara Zwibble, director of the Fundamental Freedoms Program at the Civil Liberties Association said the Bill is more about politics, than actually addressing anti-semitism. Quote ‘we are opposed to this. But that’s not, because we don’t think “Holocaust” denial is egregious, and terrible. And it’s not, because we don’t think it’s harmful. It’s because we don’t think that the criminal law is the way to approach it.’ she said ‘We’re talking about putting people in prison for things that they said.’”

Yeah, it’s so crazy! Like we have to say that out loud. Like that’s literally what they’re saying. Like, we’re gonna throw you in jail for something that you said!

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. I did see that article. And I think that that Civil Liberties group is a controlled opposition group. Well, you can see that just from what they say that:

“Oh. It’s not that we don’t think that “Holocaust” denial is egregious.”

And basically terrible and evil. But that we should just have freedom of speech. So yeah. What do you think? I think it’s controlled opposition. However it’s hopeful that they said this law wouldn’t even work. But I don’t know what to make of that. It could be just, … They kind of create the frame for what we’re allowed to talk about:

“But oh, “Holocaust” denial is still really bad!”

And so pretending that we have true opposition to it. I don’t know. What do you think about that?

John Friend: It’s interesting. I think you’re probably right. It probably is some sort of limited hangout, controlled opposition type group. Just like the ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union] is in America.

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: And if they were genuine defenders of Civil Liberties and free speech, they would be suing the government to prevent this Bill from even being passed, because it’s a total violation of freedom of speech. Which I believe is actually enshrined in the Canadian Charter, right?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. I mean, …

John Friend: Maybe not to the extent it is in the First Amendment.

Monika Schaefer: It’s not like what you have in the States. And actually, I can’t really address that right now. I’m not fresh! I’m not sure exactly what’s in there. But it’s not like what you guys have. Like we always look to the Americans for any remnants of hope for maintaining that freedom of speech, even! You guys don’t really have it either, because they find other ways to go after you, right?

John Friend: Oh, absolutely! Well, one of the big concerns that this lady has with the Civil Liberties group is that she actually cites in this article the case of Zundel, that we talked about previously. And she basically wants to prevent a trial like that from taking place, which would give somebody like Zundel, or somebody like you, or I, a platform to make the arguments against the official “Holocaust” narrative. And so that’s one of her big concerns.

She also talks about how there’s already basically laws on the books that criminalize promoting hatred, which is tied into questioning the “Holocaust”.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that’s Section 319. And I mean, people like Arthur Topham. He was chased, and criminalized, and dragged through the courts for more than a dozen years. And they used that Section 319, this Hate Speech law. So really that would be my answer to what we just talked about a moment ago about do we have free speech in Canada. No! They say:

“We do. Oh! But hate speech is different!”

Right. So all these countries and, you know, where lawmakers, where they say:

“Oh yeah! We have freedom of speech. But this is different. Like hate speech is different!”

In Germany, when I was in jail. And I would tell fellow prisoners what I was there for and I said:

“Yeah, just for words spoken.”

And they say:

“Oh, no. That’s not possible. We have total freedom of speech in Germany! It’s in the gungazettes [sp]!”

Which is the foundational law. And then I would tell them but it was about the “Holocaust”. And they’d say:

“Oh yeah! That’s different!”

John Friend: Yeah, that’s different! Yeah. You can’t question, the “Holocaust”! You can’t criticize, or say mean things about jews. I mean, if we really do have free speech, then we should be able to question, the “Holocaust”. We should be able to question any aspect of history, no matter what it is. No matter whose feelings it hurts. No matter who gets upset by it. We should be able to openly discuss, and talk about, and criticize specific groups of people, whether they’re jews, or blacks, or Whites, or whatever.

I mean, certainly we can openly criticize and condemn White people!

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Monika Schaefer: Oh. That’s the only people you can openly criticize and condemn these days. That’s the only group of people you can do that to! And like that’s just fine, White people.

But here in Canada right now it’s getting to the point where you can’t even point out anything about what the native people are doing, factual, or otherwise. It doesn’t matter. That’s like your “Black Lives Matter”. We’ve got the equivalent going on with the native people here. And we had those supposed mass graves found. Not a single bone has been found, or dug out.

John Friend: It’s basically another atrocity propaganda hoax.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, it is.

John Friend: Yeah, it is. It absolutely is. I’ve followed it. In fact, I wrote an article for American Free Press. It’s probably been about a year ago. But I remember Lauren Southern did the documentary about it. That was really well done.

Monika Schaefer: So yeah, people don’t want to talk about it. Because they know that it’s to their advantage to kind of just conceal the fact. Like they didn’t want to talk to Lauren Southern when she tried. And no, no! They don’t want to do that, because she would expose that, gee there might be some problems with these graves that they supposedly “discovered”. And so the native people it’s in their interest to keep it hush-hush. They’re going along with the mainstream agenda that is basically to elevate them into some higher status.

And it’s to get Whitey off the land here. I mean, the bills that they have passed, Bill C-15, it’s one that basically is out to dispossess us of our lands. I was recently visiting a friend in Powell River, BC, and the natives there are trying hard, or it’s a handful of people are trying hard, to change the name of that city. And I mean, it just goes on and on. It’s basically dispossess Whitey.

John Friend: It’s White genocide.

Monika Schaefer: It is.

John Friend: I mean, it’s part of the broader, global, White genocide agenda.

Monika Schaefer: It is.

John Friend: Taking place in every formerly Western country, including Canada, including the United States. Including basically every country in Europe. It’s obvious. It’s on display on a daily basis. And yet it’s never presented in these terms. It’s never pointed out this way.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and why is it that it’s happening all over the world in White countries, all at the same time? And the same things get reported in the press, like almost word for word for word. Some people sometimes put together these little sound bite collages, where reporters in Australia, reporters in New Zealand, Canada, United States, and UK, everywhere they’re saying virtually using the same words when there’s some new idea, or new event, or new something.

John Friend: It’s like they all have the same talking points as if they’re somehow like internationally coordinated through some sort of like jewish secret society.

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah!

John Friend: Right. And, of course, we’re referring to the Kahilla, which is a word. And it’s something I was sort of familiar with that I come across in doing research over the years. But you actually sent me an interesting article that we’ll talk about here in just a moment. There’s just a couple things I want to mention more in this article from the National Post. And then we can move on and discuss that topic.

Let me just pick back up here. There’s just a couple of last excerpts that I wanted to read here and get your take on. The article continues. It says:

“The new Criminal Code offense was included in the Budget Bill, but a near identical piece of legislation was also moving through the House of Commons, as a private member’s Bill, which was introduced by Conservative MP Kevin Waugh.”

Again, I’m not sure if I’m pronouncing that correctly. And I sort of alluded to that previously. It says here:

“The Budget Bill is currently working through the House of Commons. It also includes funding for education programs around racism and anti-semitism, as well as 20 million dollars toward a “Holocaust” Museum in Montreal.”

And then it quotes the Simon Wiesenthal Center President and CEO, Michael Levitt. And he’s basically advocating in favor of this new Criminal Code, saying that:

“Anti-semitism is on the rise. “Holocaust” denial is on the rise.”

Which, I don’t know. Is that true? I mean, you live in Canada. Are there people out there like denying the “Holocaust” and condemning jews left and right? Is that going on? It’s like the jewish community, you read the jewish press, you read like the ADL, you follow groups like the ADL. And every single day there’s a report about how anti-semitism is rising in Canada, in Germany, and Brazil, in Argentina, in Australia! Everywhere around the world! It’s like this constantly reinforced meme and persecution!

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Who does that? Who is it that sets up events that make it look like oh anti-semitism is on the rise? And which high-ranking rabbi was it, maybe you remember, who said that anti-semitism is their best friend! They create these things, like when there’s gravestones that have been painted with swastikas, or whatever.

It’s always jews who do that, because they need to have this idea, this meme out there, that anti-semitism is on the rise! It’s not like there’s people out in the streets standing on their pulpits saying.:

“Yeah. The “Holocaust” didn’t happen!”

I mean, yeah. I think a lot of people are waking up to the truth about that the jews lie about history. And they’ve been lying about events. And that they’re behind the Covid thing. And I mean, a lot of people are waking up to what the jews are actually doing. But when they call this:

“Anti-semitism is on the rise!”

You know, maybe they’re really scared and worried, because people are starting to wake up to their game. And what they’re really doing.

John Friend: Right. It’s like those memes of like the rabbi on the telephone:

“The goyim know! Shut it down!”

[chuckling] And that’s what it is. It’s the organized jewish community, they simply cannot have anybody knowing and looking into what they’re up to! They can openly do these things, and talk about how they want to fight anti-semitism, and lobby the government for more money for “Holocaust” Museums, for Israel, for jewish organizations.
I mean they run like one big extortion racket. It’s like one big international criminal conspiracy that they openly, … You follow them and read what they have to say, or hear what they have to say, in their press conferences and stuff, and this is how they operate. Yet, if you notice it, and if you’re opposed to it, or criticize it, then you’re some irrational hater! It’s totally ridiculous!

Monika Schaefer: You just have to point it out, right, John. You just have to point out what they’re doing in real time. We don’t even have to talk about history, we could talk about what they’re doing in real time, reporting things from their own press. But they see that you are noticing. And then they call you “anti-semitic”. They call you the “hater”.

John Friend: And all of their puppet politicians line up and say the same thing and back this stuff up. And pledge their unwavering support for Israel and the jewish community, and how they have to continue to fight anti-semitism and bigotry, and all this other nonsense! They’re all totally controlled, at least almost every single one of them.

Monika Schaefer: And back to that Civil Liberties organization and that article that you were quoting from. That’s why it bothers me when groups like that, just the fact that they’re such controlled opposition. The fact that they had to put that in there:

“Oh, it’s not that we don’t think that ‘Holocaust’ denial is egregious.”

Because really what they’re doing is they are propping up and supporting – by making that statement – they’re supporting this money being spent on these “Holocaust” Museums. Like this huge budget amount that goes towards the “Holocaust” denial prevention, or whatever they want to call it.

John Friend:20 million for a museum in Montreal! Why does Montreal need a “Holocaust” Museum? And if they do, why can’t the jews themselves organize money to fund it?

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And then there’s that Kotler, Irvin Kotler, I think is his name. He’s the minister in charge of whatever it’s called. I don’t know what the ministry is called. But somehow this anti-semitism ministry, or whatever!

John Friend: He’s like the anti-semite, or anti-semitism envoy. Like the US government has a position it’s a ambassador level position in the State Department. The Envoy to Combat Anti-semitism. And it’s that hideous jewish witch, Deborah Lipstadt!

Monika Schaefer: Oh, my!

John Friend: Yeah, she was recently nominated and was actually just sworn in recently. I put up an article, it’s actually on American Free Press’s website and on my website right now. It addresses it and talks about her position. And I think we’ve actually talked about it previously.

It’s a position that was basically created by the federal by the US federal government to basically advance jewish interests around the world. And there’s positions like this in almost every Western country. You could look at Canada, you could look at the UK, you could look at all these European countries. And almost all of them have some sort of like anti-semitism envoy.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: That’s there to sort of prevent the goyim from knowing, right.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Why don’t they have a minister for preventing the hate that’s being told and spread about White people? Why don’t they have a minister that’s in charge of teaching people about our own history, and about our own heritage, and about our own culture, and all that stuff? No! Like they don’t teach that!

And in high school curriculum in Canada, my friend showed the high school curriculum to me, the Social Studies curriculum. And I just was astonished! I thought:

“Wow! If all the White children don’t commit suicide before the end of the school year, I’d be astonished!”

Like it was nothing but guilt! Guilt! Guilt! Guilt! Not one stitch in there about anything about their own European heritage! Where they came from, their culture, their traditions. Nothing! It was all guilt!

John Friend: It’s psychological warfare.

Monika Schaefer: It is!

John Friend: That’s what it is. It’s weaponized narratives designed to target us at a very deep emotional and psychological level. The way Western history is presented all over the Western world, it’s presented as if White people are the oppressors, like the evil people that have been responsible for all of the world’s problems.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

John Friend: When in reality, like an objective assessment of Western history, would be 100% the opposite. And this is what was so astonishing reading Mein Kampf, and hearing Hitler present it this way.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Who goes to Africa to build schools, or to volunteer to dig wells and whatnot? It’s always White people who do these kind of things!

John Friend: Yeah. Who’s cleaning up the parks on the weekends? Who’s cleaning up the harbor? Who’s cleaning up the streams and the rivers and the lakes? Who’s taking care of the environment? Who’s taking care of the homeless?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Who takes care of the beached whales! Like who does all that?

John Friend: Who takes who takes care of these refugees, in their little dinghies washing up on shore in Italy, or Greece, or California? I just saw a video the other day of a bunch of Mexicans – I’m assuming they were Mexicans – well, you know, Central Americans, Mexicans, washing up and just scattering as soon as they got on the beach. Just running for the hills basically!

Who’s taking care of the unwashed masses of the world? Well it’s White people! It’s White money. It’s White societies. And, of course, it’s all part of this broader jewish plan. But yeah.

Monika Schaefer: It’s this guilt thing John. There’s just one thing that just popped into my head. When I was in Powell River and I attended a meeting where the public could talk about this name change, pro and contra. And there were these young White women, you know, blonde, blue eyed, young women. Those were the ones who were the most fanatical about that we must change the name. And they were saying things like:

“Oh, I’m fifth generation colonialist!”

And this one in particular, still the image’s in my mind, like she was just about in tears. She’s feeling so guilty for her forefathers fifth generation colonialist! She’s absolutely just dripping with guilt! And I’m thinking:

“Oh, you poor girl!”

She’s been traumatized.

John Friend: Yes, she has had her mind poisoned!

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: By anti-White, jewish propaganda! That’s it. I mean, that’s what it is. And it’s totally unacceptable!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: So it shows how effective this propaganda is. And we have got to take control back of our destiny, and think for ourselves, and stop listening to these people. Because this is how they present everything. It’s always the White, you know, devil’s fault for everything.

And it’s just totally not even true, first of all time objectively. We ought to be proud of founding America, and founding Canada, and founding all of the great civilizations in the world, all throughout history.

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Monika Schaefer: Yes indeed. That’s why it’s so important to tell the truth about our history. That’s what it comes down to. Because we have to, like you say, take pride in our people, love our people. And also if we are so ashamed of our ancestors it means that we don’t want to take on their traditions, or keep their traditions alive. Which means that there’s a vacuum.

And what does that vacuum get filled with? Smut and degeneracy that the jews are pushing on us!

John Friend: Every time! All throughout history.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: Well, get this. There’s one last thing here I want to quote from the article. And then we’ll move on. They quote a guy, a David Taylor, who’s a spokesperson for justice minister David lametty. And he’s basically saying he’s representing the government. He’s basically, again advocating for this law. And he says:

“Our government takes the fight against anti-semitism and all hate crimes very seriously. No jewish Canadian should be subjected to racism and hateful rhetoric. That has no place in our country.”

And this sort of rhetoric is exactly what you hear from US officials, and British officials, and German officials, and any government spokesman, the whole world over, essentially. And this guy Taylor, the spokesperson for the justice minister, said that:

“They are confident that the Bill will stand up to any judicial scrutiny.”

And he says, … Get this. Okay. This is the hypocrisy and the double think you have to engage in to actually take what these people say seriously. He says:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental freedom protected under the Charter. Like all rights and freedoms it is not absolute, and maybe subject to reasonable limits under the Charter. This Bill was reviewed for consistency with the Charter. It is our government’s position that the offense is consistent with the Charter. And this proposed new offense mirrors existing hate crime provisions.”

So I mean, again, think about it. The total hypocrisy of our elected officials, who say they support free speech and freedom of expression, yet they back bills criminalizing using free speech and free expression, and freedom of intellectual inquiry to basically criminalize anybody that is voicing criticism, or skepticism of various aspects of history, especially the alleged jewish “Holocaust” narrative.

So I mean, it’s just a total, in your face, blatant hypocrisy, that is just insulting!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. The Charter, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that has that “not withstanding” clause in it. And while that excerpt from the article didn’t exactly say those words, the “not withstanding” clause, you did refer to it though, where reasonable limits like “subject to these reasonable limits”. So yeah, we have all these rights except for there need to be these reasonable limits. That comes from this “not withstanding” clause. Which is like basically okay you have this Charter. And then you just shred it! It’s just well, worthless!

John Friend: Right. Well, you have free speech unless it offends jews. And then you don’t. And then you don’t have free speech [chuckling]! Either jews, or they’re like puppets, you know, minority groups that they’re manipulating and using to advance their anti-White agenda. That’s basically what they’re saying. So we’ll see. It’s pretty outrageous.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing calls for legislation similar to this in the United States. Shortly after the alleged shooting in Buffalo, which took place a couple weeks ago. And that’s a shooting that I have a lot of questions about. An alleged shooting, I should say, because I’m not even sure that anything like that even really took place there. It looks extremely suspect.

But anyways, immediately after that there were calls for more domestic terrorism laws. And they passed a resolution in the Congress that was approved by everybody except for one representative Thomas Massey, a Republican from Kentucky. And it was an anti-semitism resolution that condemned “Holocaust” denial, and condemned anti-semitism, and condemned unquote “conspiracy theories”, like the Great Replacement, which they say is this delusional conspiracy theory.

Meanwhile you look at any demographic statistics from any city, any state, any Western country, and it clearly shows that there is, in fact, a great replacement happening. And the White European demographic continues to decline. And we’re going to be replaced in the countries that our ancestors founded!

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And I think it’s kind of interesting that they can call this “conspiracy theory”, and they call it bunk when those same politicians, or their colleagues, can talk quite openly about how:

“Oh by the year such and such, Whites will be in the minority in this region, that region. And the other regions.”

John Friend: They celebrate it! And they brag, and they boast, and they celebrate it. Yeah, exactly!

Monika Schaefer: They celebrate it. And then on the other hand they’re saying.

“Oh. This is just a bogus conspiracy theory! Where’d you get that idea?”

John Friend: Well, that’s the psychological warfare. That’s the gas lighting! The in your face abuse that you’re supposed to sit there and put up with.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you. “Gas lighting” is a good term for that. It really is! It makes you crazy have isn’t it? I mean, it just makes you crazy. That’s what they’re trying to do. That’s what they do with that kind of stuff.

John Friend: Yeah, exactly. It’s enough to drive you crazy! It makes me crazy just sitting here thinking about it. [chuckling] Yeah, it’s outrageous. And yeah, we’ve been talking about this sort of stuff for a long, long, time, over 10 years. And you start scratching your head. It’s like:

“Is anybody paying attention? Are we going to actually do anything about this?”

I think we’re making some progress. But it still feels still feels very, … I don’t want to say hopeless. But I think the political solutions are very, very limited at this point.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, definitely! The political solutions like in terms of voting and getting representatives, … I mean, like Ezra Pound’s words on democracy. He says:

“Democracy is jews speak for country run by jews.”

John Friend: Yes. Absolutely! Well, Hitler said the same thing about democracy. One of the best books I’ve ever read is For My Legionaries by Cornelius Codrianu. A Romanian, basically like National Socialist type revolutionary figure. Are you familiar with that book?

Monika Schaefer: No, I’m not.

John Friend: Oh you’d love it. Yeah you got to read it. It’s great! I can’t remember off the top my head. But I want to say he was active right around the time that Hitler was as well. But anyways, the book is outstanding. And he basically makes the same points that basically in a democracy whoever controls information, whoever controls the media, basically controls the government. And that’s exactly what we have in every Western country. And it’s been this way for a very, very long time!

Monika Schaefer: It has.

John Friend: And that kind of leads us into the next topic. This Kahilla sort of organization that you actually brought to my attention shortly before we started the podcast. And I’m going to have a link over to an article that was actually published at the Renegade Tribune, renegadetribune.com. A really good website. I used to sort of be affiliated with the Renegade Tribune. But they still do a lot of good work. And it’s an excerpt from a chapter in Ben Klassen’s book, Nature’s Eternal Religion. And you can actually download that book online for free as a PDF. I’ll have a link to do that in this podcast post, when I post it. And this chapter talks specifically about the Kahilla. Am I pronouncing that correctly, by the way?

Monika Schaefer: That’s what I think. I might be wrong on that. But I just have Kahilla. I’ve heard that word for a long time. But I didn’t really know what it was all about until I read this article. It blew my mind! Right. Well it’s basically like an organized secret society of jews based on a very strict hierarchy. And this would explain how they’re able to instill and reinforce these narratives and talking points in public policy all across the world. Right?

Monika Schaefer: Yes. This principle of sevens, did you want to talk about that, or would you like me to talk about that briefly?

John Friend: Yeah, go ahead. And then there’s a really good excerpt that I’ll read from the chapter. But yeah, go ahead. I want you kind of explain it to us.

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Monika Schaefer: So over the entire world they’ve got a leader in the Eastern hemisphere, and a leader in the Western hemisphere. And the Eastern hemisphere is based out of London. The Western hemisphere based out of New York City. That’s where the headquarters are. It’s on the “sevens principle”. So there’s seven layers of seven so okay they make decisions. And there’s a board of directors. That’s 300 people. They have to be over 60 years old. And they are full bearded jews, okay.

So there’s board of directors. They’ll discuss things and make decisions. And then this leader in the Western and the Eastern hemisphere, they each call seven people that are under them, and tell them do this, or do that. Then those seven call each of them call seven under them. So you got 49. Then each of them calls seven under them. Now, I don’t have the numbers in front of me. Then there’s seven layers like that. By the seventh layer you’ve got almost a million people in the Eastern hemisphere. And in the Western hemisphere, each.

So you’ve got like over one and a half million worldwide. And it’s very secretive. The people who are being called, they’re all jews, of course. They don’t even know who each other are. And they carry out this agenda. And that’s why really any one of them only has to make seven calls. And then there’s the seven layers of this. And that’s how you can get this huge number of people.

And these jews have insinuated themselves everywhere, like into organizations, into government, into media, into everywhere. And that’s how they can so quickly have their agenda unfold and be in lock step with one another world wide! I mean, it is amazingly fast and efficient method to communicate.

And in 2017 Alfred was on a speaking tour in Canada. And he talked about internet stuff. And he talked about this jewish internet before the internet existed. And I don’t think he named the Kahilla, or named this specific method of organization. But he said that they long before we had heard about any of these things, they had their methods of communicating really quickly all over the world. And I guess this is the method. This is how they’ve been doing it I don’t know how long this specific, the Kahilla, has been in existence. But this is just incredible!

John Friend: Yeah. You’re right. You make a lot of good points. And it’s an interesting way of looking at the situation. I don’t know if there’s too much concrete, hard proof, of the existence of this sort of organization. Maybe it existed at some point in history. And I’m not even denying that it exists today. I wouldn’t be surprised if it does. But you can just look at the way jewish organizations network with each other. And the way they coordinate. And they’re all on the same page, always!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: And most of these organizations have connections to the media. They have connections to the government. They have connections to synagogues, local synagogues, international. So they’re all very, very, well networked and organized.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Church organizations, not just synagogues, right. But there’re all the other churches, they’ve been all infiltrated. And then teachers organizations.

John Friend: In Masonry, unions, exactly.

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely.

John Friend: Well, let me just read briefly an excerpt here. It says here:

“With a secret, dedicated, fanatically loyal organization, with this kind of structure it is easy to see how orders can be communicated and carried out with the minimum of delay, or red tape. When the hemispheric head of the Kahilla gives orders to his seven, from there on there are only six steps down the line of command in order to have every one of the one million Kahilla members notified in short order. All that is necessary to make seven sets of phone calls down the chain of command. Remember each man only has to make seven calls to the seven men below him, and in a matter of minutes the whole network of one million members has been given their marching orders. This is how the jews manage to set in motion strikes, agitations, student riots, or whatever is the order of the day, all over the world at the same time. This is the leadership principle at work. Among other things the Kahilla members are taught to infiltrate the management of our schools, colleges, and universities, in order to indoctrinate our younger and rising leaders with their false philosophies.”

And it goes on to discuss how they’ve also infiltrated media organizations, and other secret societies, like Freemasonry, and the Catholic Church, and the Jesuits, and things of this nature. So this actually makes a lot of sense. And even today I don’t know if necessarily it’s this sort of a hierarchical. Because there are so many jewish organizations that are so well networked and connected. That it’s almost this is just how they operate.

I mean look at how like the Black Lives Matters protest got off the ground, back in 2020. Nationwide in a matter of one night, virtually every major city in the country had a major, basically violent revolution at on their hands! That’s how these people operate.

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Monika Schaefer: That’s right.

John Friend: We see that same thing going on recently with the Supreme Court leak. I don’t know if you followed that, but somebody within the Supreme Court. It had to be one of the clerks working for one of the Supreme Court justices, leaked a draft opinion that would have basically overturned Roe vs Wade. And it was leaked to the media.

And almost overnight there were massive protests. And all these radical crazy abortionists, and feminists, and Antifa. And all these very crazy like Left-wing radicals were out in the streets. They were protesting in front of Supreme Court justices private homes. They were surrounding the Supreme Court in Washington DC. I mean, like literally like an insurrection organized instantly. That’s how these people work. That’s how these people operate. None of that happened organically [chuckling]!

John Friend: No! Absolutely not!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. No, it’s quite something isn’t it?

John Friend: Yeah. Anyways, very interesting. I’m glad that you brought that to my attention. Like I said, I was sort of familiar with the concept. But that article is very interesting. And if anybody’s interested definitely check out the article. And you can even download the full book and read it. I’ve actually never read Nature’s Eternal Religion. I am familiar with Ben Klassen. I know he’s like very anti-Christian which has always kind of turned me off to his writings, and his work, and stuff. I haven’t really investigated it all that closely. But for anybody interested it’s there. You can find a link to it when I post this program. Was there anything else you wanted to mention about this topic?

Monika Schaefer: No. We could move on.

John Friend: Okay. I gotta ask you really quickly. And we don’t have to spend a lot of time on this. I’m just curious if you have any opinion on these alleged mass shootings that have recently taken place. I talked extensively about the alleged shooting in Buffalo with Russ Winter on a recent podcast. So I’d encourage everybody to check that out if they haven’t heard it already. But between then there was also another alleged shooting in Texas, which was very, very bizarre. It almost looks like, …

Monika Schaefer: You’re talking about this Uvaldi [sp], or whatever it’s called? It just smacks of false flag, and lots of problems with that.

John Friend: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: I’m not somebody who has looked into and researched all the details there, but right away a lot of red flags went up. So I think that there’s a lot of problems with their story, with the authenticity of it.

John Friend: Absolutely. It’s one of the most bizarre official shooting stories that I’ve ever heard. It very much reminds me of like a Mexican version of Sandy Hook! Like Sandy Hook was extremely bizarre. And the interviews with the alleged parents, and none of it added up. The official story didn’t make any sort of sense. And it’s the same exact thing in this case.

I actually just read an article that was published by the New York Post – so not some like random blog on the internet – talking about how there was a drill, a mass shooting drill, that took place in the same town at the high school. But this was back in March. And so it seems like there’s always like some sort of drill involved leading up to an alleged mass shooting. I don’t know what to make of that. But it is very interesting.

And if you just read the official story. I mean, it’s literally like the most asinine, ludicrous story! This kid shoots his grandma in the face with the weapon that he only recently purchased. He apparently bought two of these high powered assault rifles. Which, I mean, they’re like thousands of dollars. Where is this kid getting the money to purchase these weapons, to purchase all this ammunition? He had tons of ammunition. How was he carrying it on himself and like running around and shooting everybody.

He apparently got in a truck and drove his truck into a ditch. If you drive your truck into a ditch how are you not injured? I mean, he like instantly like jumped out of his truck and was like running around and like shooting people, shooting at people. And then he entered the school, and the door was opened by a teacher. [chuckling] I mean, it’s just like the most ridiculous story!

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Monika Schaefer: And then the part that I thought was really weird makes no sense, is that the police didn’t go in for an hour!

John Friend: Exactly!

Monika Schaefer: What’s that all about? I couldn’t even make sense of what they’re trying to achieve with that part of the story.

John Friend: It’s almost like they’re trying to like discredit the police. And they’ve been trying to do that for a long time with these Black Lives Matters sort of protests, and police brutality, and yeah all this other nonsense. And the police do make mistakes. Obviously, they’re not perfect.

Monika Schaefer: But it’s part of that drive I think to defund the police. And then you have total mayhem right.

John Friend: Yes. Exactly! And to make them look totally incompetent. And in many cases. I think they probably are incompetent.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. No doubt. But still there’s an agenda here. Because then they’ll, you know, accompany that with the violent sort of BLM which I call, Burn Loot and Murder [chuckling]! It’s what it stands for.

John Friend: Absolutely. So anyways, we don’t got to spend a lot of time on it. I don’t know how closely you’ve looked into it. But it is a very, very weird bizarre situation that makes absolutely no sense!

Monika Schaefer: I put that into the false flag, you know, staged event category. And we can move on.

John Friend: Yeah, okay, all right, good. So we’re on the same page there then.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: I kind of figured we would be. We’ll go ahead and wrap up with our last topic. And that is I wanted you to provide some updates on Alfred. You have a letter, it’s like excerpts from letters.

Monika Schaefer: Excepts from four different letters that he wrote recently to me. And I just thought he really has a knack for thinking of comparisons, metaphors, analogies. He has a wonderful way of being able to formulate our problem that we have, and make comparisons to nature. I just think there’s some real words of wisdom in his writings, and I was inspired to put this article up. I hadn’t done one in a while where I’ve just put Alfred’s letters and stuff.

So yeah, you had put a little excerpt there in your message to me. Do you still have that in front of you. It was just very, very short. Why don’t you start with that. That would be good.

John Friend: Yes I do. He was talking about free speech. Let me see.

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah!

John Friend: Yeah I have it. And, by the way, let me mention this. I’ll have a link to this post on your website. But again your website is freespeechmonika.com. And it’s the most current post right now anyways, as we’re speaking. It was published may 28th. So just a couple days ago. And he says:

“We do have free speech, that has been granted to us by god almighty at the time of our birth. That is our birthright. And by that we shall live, and also die as free men and women.”

And boy, that totally resonates with me! Certainly!

Monika Schaefer: Yes. It’s really important. It also kind of reminds me of when I was in jail and I wrote this in some letters. And I really felt it. I genuinely meant this when I said:

“I feel a thousand times freer than the jail boss.”

So that is related to what Alfred said there with the freedom of speech. That we have freedom of speech, it’s a god-given right. I mean, they can pretend that they’re taking it away. Those are just blots of toner on paper. He talks about when their laws, their so-called laws against, that we can’t say this. And we can’t say that. He just calls it “blots of toner on paper”. Well they mean nothing! We have these rights, they exist! They can’t take these away.

John Friend: Right. And what’s so incredible about America is that the founding fathers recognized these as specifically god-given rights that could not be taken by any man. These were rights that were given to us by our creator. And they were in enshrined in the US constitution in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. And Canada and other Western countries have sort of a version of this, although it may not be as explicitly stated as it is in the First Amendment to the US constitution.

Monika Schaefer: No. We really don’t, we really don’t. Then there’s that Hate Speech law that just nullifies and voids anything that we might think is freedom of speech.

John Friend: But nevertheless this is a bedrock principle of Western civilization!

Monika Schaefer: It is.

John Friend: And it’s something that our societies and our civilization has been based on, and founded upon. And it’s something that we all ought to take very, very seriously. This is what our society is all about. And what made us the greatest civilization in the history of the world!

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Monika Schaefer: That’s right. And I think that White people in general have this very strong spirit. It’s an individualistic spirit. It’s a spirit of that we have this innately in our blood. You could say that we feel that we have the freedom to speak, to be, and not to have somebody lord it over us. Now, we have been rendered quite ill right now. And I say collectively, we have become ill, because we have been subjected to decades and decades of lies, and deceptions, and demoralization, and degeneration.

But genetically we do have this free spirit. And it still courses through our blood. And we have to get back up on our feet. Which is what we are, you and I with this. And all the work you do, and the work that I’m doing, the work that Alfred’s doing.

This is what we’re trying to do, is it is get our people back up on their feet again. So that we reclaim these natural, god-given rights and blessings and abilities. And just our natural selves, who we are.

But I guess all those reasons, all those qualities that we that I just talked about, is why the jews hate us so!

John Friend: Right.

Monika Schaefer: Is why they hate us. So we are the biggest obstacle to their being, their agenda, all through history. But they also love to be in the parasitic relationship with us. Because we create, we have this creative spirit. We create stuff, and create civilizations.

And they, you know what better host than somebody who’s creative for the parasite to be latching on to. But you see it’s this love-hate thing they have for us. And right now, they’re hell-bent on destroying us. And yeah, it’s not going to work out very well for them, is it now [chuckling]?

John Friend: Yeah. I pray. And Alfred, yeah you’re right, he’ll have some extremely profound statements in a lot of these letters that you come across. Some little gems that you frankly won’t really hear, or see anywhere else. He goes on with this quote. He says here:

“If someone thinks they stand above god almighty, let them step forward. But we shall never abandon, or relinquish, or abdicate, this god-given right, especially not if the psychopaths asking us to do so, are known mass murderers, and child rapers, …”

That second part. I mean, yeah, that’s a little bit more controversial. But absolutely these people that would basically legislate our right to free speech, to freedom of expression, to freedom of inquiry, of intellectual, or historical inquiry, these people are the scum of the earth! They are mass murderers. Many of them no doubt are sexual predators, and sexual deviants. There’s no doubt about that. And they have no right to rule over us, or to take away our rights!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. That’s right. There’s another very short quote here I’d like to read. And it was in response to, … I had recently been in touch with Kai Muros. I don’t know if you are familiar with him. But he has made some excellent speeches! Very, very inspirational. Anyway, when I sent his greetings to Alfred in a letter. Then Alfred writes back. He says:

“Oh, of course, I know Kai Muros! His quotation is so wonderful! His words have never left my inner compass. It has been people like Kai Muros who have left an indelible mark on me and gave me the total confidence that we will reach our mark. He speaks from the very core of our DNA. The tiny message from you about Kai is like a turbo boost of energy for me, because I know the power of words in this dark and stormy sea! They are the lighthouses that guide the ships to the safety of the harbor of truth!”

Isn’t that beautiful?

John Friend: Yes, absolutely!

Monika Schaefer: :

“I know the power of words in this dark and stormy sea, they are the lighthouses that guide the ships to the safety of the harbor of truth!”

I just love that statement there! Oh, it’s actually giving me, you know, tingly feeling up and down my arms and my back! It’s beautiful.

John Friend: Yeah, absolutely! Well I gotta ask you one last thing I guess, unless there’s any other topics you wanted to get to. But at the very beginning of the excerpts that you have in your recent post, he talks about the criminality that we see today is beyond imaginable. And he was actually talking about how you can’t even leave Canada without taking the jab. I know he’s been very, very suspicious of this whole fake pandemic, right? From the beginning.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

John Friend: Yeah. And he refuses to wear the mask. He refuses to get tested, and get, of course, get the jab. Can you not leave Canada without taking the jab, like without presenting proof that you took the vaccine? Is that true?

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Monika Schaefer: Well, I think it is. I mean, I’ve been talking to quite a few people about it, and from all indications I think it is true, although some people say:

“Oh well, if you drive you can’t go. And if you fly you can. Then you go to quarantine for 14 days.”

But it’s very confusing. Like, I myself, am not going to go buy an airplane ticket and then get stopped, because it sounds like we cannot leave. That’s from all accounts.

Now if somebody can tell me otherwise that’s great, if there’s a way. I think that maybe there’s a way to go and just, I don’t know.

John Friend: Gosh, it’s so unbelievable, we’ve gotten to this point!

Monika Schaefer: We’re behind the Iron Curtain here at the purebloods. The purebloods were behind the Iron Curtain. And I have kind of heard rumblings about this Monkeypox thing that they’re rolling out. It’s going to be very different from the Covid roll out. They’re going to be putting intense pressure.

And they’ll start with certain segments of the population, perhaps the gay population. Because the gay population is very, very Leftist, bought into the agenda already. So they’re going to be easy to kind of get high compliance on getting the jab for the Monkeypox, now. Even though this Monkeypox supposedly is very mild. And I think it really is just the effects of the first jabs series, right? So people are going to have lesions on their skin, and this and that. So then they just call it this new virus. And they’re going to say:

“Okay, we need another vaccine jab.”

And then they start with some segments of the population and then really come down hard on those who are going to resist. And all the way up to putting them in camps. I don’t know it’s just something some rumblings I’ve been reading and hearing about how they’re going to perhaps roll this out very, very differently than what they did with the Covid, with general lockdowns. It could be that it’s quite different.

And also when they do these things by incremental, then people just kind of carry on, just keep going, and just go along to get along. And:

“Okay, it’s not happening to me. So I can just carry on.”

Like it’s kind of a dangerous situation. We need to really be alert to that. So I’m just putting that out there just to, I guess, just to have people be alert to what methods they are gonna roll out here.

John Friend: Right. Well I think the biggest thing is just people have got to stand their ground and have a backbone, and just say no! I mean this whole time that’s been my approach is like:

“Look. No, I’m sorry, I’m not taking a vaccine. I’m not doing this.”

Yeah. I mean, in certain situations especially with like the face mask it was almost impossible. Like, if you’re taking a flight, for example. But I mean, I think much of this medical tyranny that we’ve seen over the past couple years has really just been the public caving in, and just giving in, and not even fighting back.

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely!

John Friend: That’s the biggest part of it. Including people that like will tell you that they don’t want to take the vaccine. They’re skeptical of it. They don’t trust the science. They don’t even buy into the whole narrative. And yet they will still go out and take it, because they think they have to, or whatever.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, they want to travel, or to keep their job, or to do this, or to that, which is really this disastrous situation. Because what they don’t fully understand where this is taking us. And also what that jab may, or may not do to them. I mean, depending maybe they got the placebo. But if they are against it, but they take it anyway, I guess they don’t really understand it. Like if it’s just to:

“Oh I want to travel.”

Or:

“I want to have my job.”

Well, you’re not going to have any of those things if you keel over!

John Friend: If you have a heart attack for taking it. Yeah, I just saw an article. There was a marathon in Brooklyn recently. And it was like, I can’t even remember off the top of my head. It was like 10 people. Like, I don’t know if they died, I can’t remember. I should have pulled it up before. I didn’t even realize we’d be talking about this.

But this is happening all over. Professional athletes, and just all sorts of people, are having very, very serious negative health consequences, and other consequences, after taking the vaccine. And I don’t know exactly what is going on. You mentioned there may be like some sort of placebo. And other doses may be actually the real deal. And it’s really impacting people.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: I don’t know. I think vaccines in general tend to impact everybody differently, depending on your, I don’t know, your genetics. I mean, everything, your diet, your overall health in general. I think everybody’s impacted by these things differently. And some people may not, you know, face any sort of negative health repercussions. Other people may be severely debilitated.

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely, or keel right over. Right?

John Friend: Yeah. And that that appears to be definitely happening from all indications. And it’s so evil. And so wrong yeah. And it breaks my heart that people have just caved in like this, when simply all you to do is say:

“No!”

Look you ought to be a free person to make your own choices and not be bullied into taking, basically like a forced medical intervention. I mean, it’s insane!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it is. If everybody had just said “no” right from the get-go about the masks, we could have really stopped it in its tracks. I think right from the get-go if everybody had just said:

“No! Sorry.”

John Friend: I don’t think I could wear a mask again, at this point. I think if they wanted to kick me out:

“Okay. Sorry, I guess I just won’t shop here.”

Whatever. I mean, I haven’t even been forced into that sort of situation for a long time now. But for a very long time, you know, especially when this the whole thing first rolled out in like 2020, it was like you couldn’t even step foot anywhere without somebody asking you to put a mask on, or threatening to kick you out, or whatever. So it’s tough! It’s tough. But I think, at this point, no. I do not comply! I will not take the vaccine! I’m not putting a face mask over my mouth. I’m not going along with this.

Monika Schaefer: And there’s a lot of us John! Like they skew the numbers on purpose to make it sound like everybody’s taking it. But no. There’s a lot of us who just will not comply. And that’s great! And we need to really reinforce that message for people that there are many of us. So yeah,

John Friend: Including your brother.

John Friend: Yeah. That’s the whole reason he’s in solitary confinement since December 3rd, 2020! He has been in solitary confinement. And then they upped the level of solitary, in a quarantined solitary confinement, when he refused to even take the test. So he’s standing on principle, because he insisted on breathing freely. Like this is why they put him in solitary since then. It’s absolutely unbelievable that this could happen in a so-called Western, free, democratic country!

John Friend: Right. Well, anyway he’s getting out! He’s getting out of jail! He’s got his get out of jail card for July 4th, independence day for you guys.

John Friend: How appropriate!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, he likes that. He likes the symbolism of that, that’s for sure. But it’s just amazing to me, because when it was starting to get close, because it was always like this forever thing. Like it seemed like he was in jail forever. For me it just seemed like:

“Oh this is just forever!”

And then about two months ago I just realized:

“Oh my goodness! This is coming right up. And it’s gonna go so fast!”

And it is indeed. Like now it’s just a matter of weeks. And he’s going to be out. And we’re going to be able to talk in real time via Skype, or whatever. I would love to fly over there John to meet him at the gate. Oh my goodness! I would just like that so much. But I can’t!

John Friend: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: It’s not possible. But he’ll want to do interviews, I know that. So I know he’ll want to talk with you. You were one of the very first people that interviewed him when, I think it was after he did his first major video. And you had contacted him. I think you, or maybe one other, was the first to reach out to him for one of these kinds of interviews. So there you go John. He will be happy to talk to you again, that’s for sure.

John Friend: Oh yeah! I know. I very much look forward to doing just that.

Monika Schaefer: Great!

John Friend: Yeah, well okay Monika. Thank you so much for joining me once again. This has been a great conversation, as I knew it would be.

Monika Schaefer: I’ve enjoyed it immensely! Thank you so much for having me on again.

John Friend: No problem.

Monika Schaefer: And I look forward to doing it again.

John Friend: Okay, sounds good. Yeah. We’ll stay in touch, and we’ll have to coordinate something as we approach Alfred’s release date. Which is, as you said, in about a month, a little over a month.

Monika Schaefer: Just over a month, yes.

John Friend: Very good. Okay. Well, god bless you and god bless your brother.

Monika Schaefer: God bless you too.

John Friend: Yeah, I very much look forward to speaking to Alfred. Okay, take care Monika.

Monika Schaefer: My pleasure. Thank you.

John Friend: No problem. Thank you very much. Bye.

[80:18]

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Realist Report May 31, 2022 5:06 pm
Here is a link to the Q&A I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast:
https://truthandjusticeforgermans.com/ns-kampfruf-frontline-report-monika-schaefer-on-the-holocaust-politics-national-socialist-germany-and-adolf-hitler/
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Freya June 1, 2022 3:56 am
(banner) HONK IF YOU KNOW THE (6 MIILLION) HOLOCAUST IS FAKE
Exposing the crime is not a crime! It is the right thing to do, right?
Exposing the Jewish crimes against humanity is not a crime! It is the right thing to do, right?
Telling the truth is not a crime! It is the right thing to do, right?
EXPOSING the crimes (of Jews or non-Jews) is not the crime! COMMITTING the crime is the crime, right?
What “Semites” are the Jewish criminals talking about? It is not about “Semites” – It is about the Jewish criminals hiding behind self-invented illogical WORDS … in order to evade criticism and legal prosecution for their most heinous crimes!
Most of those who call themselves ‘Jews’ are not even Semites! Ergo: Critisizing them for their crimes CANNOT be “anti-Semitic”… right?
https://therealistreport.com/is-anti-semitism-a-crime/#comments
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Stephen Yuill June 1, 2022 8:00 am
Thank you John for bringing on Monika once again. I always look forward to the interview. Monika is a heroine for those of us in the know in this sad country of Canada. Can’t wait for your interview after Alfred’s release.
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Karin Joy Passmore June 2, 2022 2:23 pm
Not enough said about atrocities against Christians. I’m learning that our clergy have been mercilessly targeted and genocided in countries taken by the communists, and yet people do not point that out nor educate each other about such things. Let us change our focus from the “holocaust” and teach our children what has been done to our own ancestors. That will cause the needed bond, and free our children from guilt before any man, though not before the Lord.
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Kate June 3, 2022 5:40 pm
Love Monika! What a heroine! Like Joan of Arc!
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Victor Paul Fletcher June 5, 2022 5:48 pm
Met Monika briefly in Toronto when she was released from German jail where a support meeting group took place to welcome here now that she is back in Canada.
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The Realist Report Interviews Paul Nehlen – Mar 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

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[ John Friend of The Realist Report interviews Paul Nehlen, a candidate running against supercuck Paul Ryan in his home State of Wisconsin.

Paul describes his background as someone who has worked their way up from the shop floor, to engineer, and manager of many manufacturing businesses in the States and worldwide.

He goes on to describe his awakening to race realism, and more recently, and most importantly, his red-pilling on the role of organized jewry and their genocidal intentions against the White race — KATANA.]

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Published on Mar 13, 2018

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John: All right folks. Welcome back to another edition of the Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. The website is the Realist Report dot com, where you can find an extensive archive of these podcasts, as well as other radio programs I’ve participated in over the years. You will also find all of my blog posts and articles, a contact page, my Twitter feed, which is embedded in the right hand side bar of the website, and many other useful and important links. I am a regular reporter for American Free Press. America’s last real newspaper. And I also contribute to the Barnes Review, the bi-monthly history magazine affiliated with the American Free Press. I encourage our listeners to subscribe to these fine print publications, if you are not already. Check out American Free Press dot net, and Barnes Review dot org, for all of the details.

All right! With that said, let me introduce my special guest today. It is my honor to have Paul Nehlen on The Realist Report, today! Mr Nehlen is currently running for Congress in Wisconsin against Paul Ryan. The GOP incumbent Congressman. Mr Nehlen, welcome to the program sir! How are you today?

[01:53]

Paul: I’m doing great! Thanks for having me on, John.

John: Thank you so much for coming on. I contacted you actually a few weeks ago, maybe close to a month ago. And I’ve been following your campaign very closely going back to when you first ran in 2016. And I was following you on Twitter, I’ve been following your campaign website. And I know you’ve basically been kicked off of Twitter, from what I understand. I’ve been very impressed with your campaign, especially the campaign you’re currently running. So, I’m curious how, because I actually reached out to you and then you followed up with me just recently. So I’m curious, how did you hear about my website, or are you just responding to my original email?

Paul: Yeah. No, I somehow came across something that you had worked on and we actually have a mutual contact. And I said, you know, I ought to reach out to him, in that context. So yeah, you probably ought to. I bet he’d have you on. And I don’t know what happened to the email that you sent to me. It must be got by me. So I apologize for that. But was glad that we were able to connect, and so, yeah, I’m glad to be here.

John: Yeah, me too! Again I’ve been following you very closely and I’ve been very impressed. I think you’re doing at this point, I think you’re doing God’s work bringing up some of the issues that you are. And in a very bold and courageous way.

So I guess just to get started, could you maybe just give our listeners a little bit of background. Talk about your, maybe your professional career, your business experience, and then we kind of go from there?

Paul: Yes sure! So I’m a Midwestern guy. I grew up in Ohio, moved to the east coast. Didn’t have the money to go to college, so I worked my way through college. I started out in a factory with a wrench and a torch in my hand and eventually ran that factory, and ran factories all around the globe. I’ve been part of Fortune Two Hundred, Fortune, Five Hundred private equity companies. I’ve got a slew of US patents for my inventions.

And it just so happens that I am living in the district where Paul Ryan happens to reside. And I found out that he was pushing this Trans-Pacific Partnership [TPP] article, based on a letter that Senator Jeff Sessions from Alabama wrote, describing this terrible trade deal. And I just could not believe it.! And so that act of Jeff Sessions writing that letter, is what motivated me to step into the arena and put a stop to the trade deal. I’ve had nearly twenty thousand employees in my lifetime, and I was going to be damned if I was going to stand by and watch Paul Ryan burn it down!

[05:07]

John: Nice, okay, very good. And this was back in 2016 when, …

Paul: Yes sir, that was 2016.

John: Yeah, yeah, very interesting. So I’m curious about your professional experience. You talk about how you were working in a factory and you ended up managing a number of factories. What kind of factories were they like, industrial, production, or manufacturing?

Paul: Manufacturing. I started in a business. It was probably seventy million dollars annually annual sales, building compressed air purification equipment, industrial equipment. And then I went on to companies building valves, pumps, heat exchangers, homogenizes, are all sorts of food and beverage equipment. Power and energy equipment for transformers that transmit electricity into your house and into other factories. I was in charge of Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, for a Fortune 500.

I had businesses in Asia. I’ve, in fact, closed two Mexican facilities with two different companies and brought those jobs back to United States. And I closed a Canadian factory and relocated their sales and engineering offices back in 2013. Those jobs came back to the United States. So it is possible to bring work back to the United States. Now, it’s easy to ship jobs off to China. I mean, any knucklehead can do that, but it takes some strategy, and perseverance, and determination to bring jobs back to United States. So that’s kind of been my claim to fame, I guess you would say.

[07:00]

John: Yeah, no, that’s very cool! That’s very interesting. I kind of admire you, and admire your career and everything that you’ve done. Sounds like you’re a very successful businessman, manager. Were you a, … I was reading your resume, you were a general manager as well of like an entire facility? Is that correct?

Paul: Yeah, in a Fortune setting. President of a division, or company. You might have, you know, ten, or fifteen general managers running a multitude of businesses. Like when I was a general manager of the process equipment business out of Wisconsin, I had Buffalo, New York, Chicago, Wisconsin, Mexico City, and Modesto, California. But then when I was in Europe, I had over twenty factories, over ten engineering centers, supply chain businesses, you know, just all spread out, all over the place. So whether you’re a vice President, or senior vice President, or a general manager, it really depends on the kind of stratification within the Fortune setting.

John: Gotcha. Very, very interesting. Well, you know, I’m curious, you’ve had a very successful business career and professional career. I have a kind of broad question. What does it take to be successful in America today? Because it seems like a lot of people struggle to find a good job, you know, a decent paying job. Something that they actually, you know, they wake up and they want to go do. A lot of people work in America, but are they really doings something that they feel productive, feel proactive, and they feel, you know, it is rewarding, is it fulfilling? And I think that’s something that we’ve kind of lost. I mean, I wouldn’t say it’s totally out the window, but a lot of people it seems like, struggle to find meaningful work. You know, what I mean?

[09:21]

Paul: Yeah. I think part of it is, you know, a lot of our manufacturing, … we build a lot of things in the United States! We still built a lot of things! And we’re certainly the biggest market. Which is why everybody wants to sell here.

And so., I think a lot of people who might not otherwise go into manufacturing, first, because there isn’t as much manufacturing as there once was in this country. But as it comes back, as Trump leverages tariffs, and factories will relocate to the United States to get around tariffs.

That is a reality. And we will have more manufacturing jobs here. I cannot tell you how much joy I have going into a manufacturing facility and seeing things transformed into useful objects, and going out to customers! God blessed me with the ability to work in manufacturing environments, and diagnose, and troubleshoot, and improve them. And I just love the camaraderie, of being around engineers, and production planning people, and shipping people. It’s really a good group camaraderie that, I’m sure it’s not for everybody. I’m sure it’s not for everybody.

But the key is that we all have these opportunities. That we don’t outsource from foreign countries, or even more insidiously, decide that we’re going to bring HB1 and H2B workers into this country, or have open borders, unsecured borders, where illegals can come in and take these jobs away. Because when they report the unemployment numbers, they are excluding the people who’ve just given up. The people who, you know, that we’ve made it so easy for people to get onto permanent disability, that they just say you know:

“Ff it! I can’t do this anymore! I can’t keep looking for a job and coming home empty-handed. I’m going to find some way to claim that I’m disabled.”

And, you know, that just breaks my heart when I see that happen. And there’s a lot of people that are on the fringes, who are, you know, getting themselves into trouble. These opioid epidemic we have in this country, and I mean, there’s so many things that need to be fixed. And it starts with having productive work! A lot of it starts with having productive work. People get self-worth out of that job. People get the ability to change their destiny, based on that work that they can do.

And so, I think you should take every opportunity, for every training you can get, because you never know when later on, … Nobody can ever take your knowledge away from you. I mean, you could fall off your motorcycle and bust your head open, but generally speaking, read a lot of books, watch a lot of instructional things. Fill your head with good useful things, and don’t waste it away on crappy television.

[12:47]

John: Yes. Very well said. I completely agree with you. That’s sort of my outlook when it comes to work. I’m always trying to be productive. I always want to work hard. Get as much done each day as possible and really just learn every day!

Paul: Yeah!

John: And take every day as a new challenge, a new opportunity to grow and to get better at what you do, whatever it is that you’re doing.

I’ve had some employment issues given, my publicly expressed political views.

Paul: Yeah.

John: So I don’t really want to talk about what I do for a living. But I can say that it is in an industry similar to what you describe, you know, your sort of background. And it is very, very, you know, I go to work and I feel fulfilled. I feel like I’m actually accomplishing something, I’m doing real work. I’m not sitting behind a desk and scamming people, for example.

You know, there’s a lot of jobs nowadays where you’re doing telemarketing, or you’re recruiting people, or you’re selling them junk that they don’t need. So there’s a lot of, sort of like, parasitic type employment opportunities that people, frankly a lot of times, they don’t have any other option. And I think not having real meaningful work, has a very profound psychological and emotional impact on people, especially men. I think that men, young men in particular, we need something productive to do, otherwise all hell is going to break loose. People are going to start doing drugs, or doing any number of other very unproductive things.

So I think it’s something that’s very important. It sounds like you kind of had a career doing this. And, you know, what it takes to be successful. And it sounds like, even more particularly, you’ve seen firsthand how our trade policies, how our other more broader economic policies have impacted our economy.

And again, you kind of explained this was your decision to jump into politics and run against Paul Ryan in 2016, was, because he was out there promoting open borders, and globalism, and these free trade deals, that have been absolutely disastrous to the United States economy and to the American worker. So, just kind of recap, that was again your primary reason for getting involved, was seeing what Paul Ryan was up to. Seeing him, you know, promote, what was it, the TPP? I remember that when it was going on.

Paul: Yeah.

John: Yeah, so that was kind of what led you to get into politics. That was the primary thing. But I know, you’ve also kind of branched out, and now you’re talking about other issues, immigration, as you sort of explained. But what would you say that was really the main thing? Was trying to restore America’s economy, essentially?

[15:47]

Paul: Yeah, that was absolutely the main thing! I would have run on that issue alone, to stop the trade deal! It was that bad. It would have turned the United States of America into the “United States of Asia”!

And, you know, I work hard with the “Remembrance Project” the group that supports families that have lost someone to illegal alien violence. And I’ve met a lot of those moms, and dads, and brothers, and sisters. Kate Steinley’s mom and Dad, and Spencer Gobacher’s mom and dad, and just, I mean, the list just goes on and on. Danny Oliver, and Brandon Mendoza, Josh Wilkerson’s mom, all those people who lost somebody.

They are real people! They are American citizens, who through no fault of their own encountered an illegal alien who had no business being in this country in the first place, and they lost a loved one. And, I am hell-bent on seeing a fence, or a wall, put up on that border, that’s going to be defended! That any man, or woman, or child, that approaches that fence, is treated like an enemy combatant! And we defend that border! I’ve had it with any unaccompanied children BS! And an open border. [call broke up]

It sure is okay, for Israel to defend their border isn’t it? They eject the ethnically impure and defend their border! And I’ve had it! I’ve, absolutely had it! So, …

John: Yes! Yes! As have millions of other Americans.

Paul: Yeah.

John: And see, this is what’s so insane, is that you just start making these very basic common sense points. Look! We can’t have illegal aliens in our country! Certainly, we can’t have them you’re committing crimes and killing people! We can’t have all of these migrants come over here and take all our jobs. You mentioned the H1B visas I think they’re called. And there’s a number of other, you know, visa programs that these large corporations, primarily, utilize to get to labor in and pay them, oftentimes, a lesser amount than what they would pay an American worker. So it’s just been absolutely disastrous.

Making these common sense points, you know, putting America first, putting our economy first, putting our workers first, is now, we live in such a politically correct age, where this is considered racist! And it’s funny, I mean, I was just having a conversation with some friends and neighbor friends and, you know, we don’t really talk politics all that much, but it came out that I supported Trump. And I was like well, I don’t want to get into all the details, but my main thing was Trump’s stand on immigration. I think we should build a wall. I think these illegals have got to go. I don’t care how nice they are. I mean, they could be the nicest people in the world. They could be even productive workers. That’s irrelevant! That’s beside the point.

We have laws in this country that need to be enforced, and they’re not being enforced! Why are we giving social services and welfare and other benefits to people that are not even supposed to be here? To criminals! Bottom line, these people are criminals, and they’ve got to go! And to me, that’s so just matter of fact, and so straightforward. And so, just look, this is the law! It’s a law and order issue!

It’s not a racial issue. I mean, I could make a racial argument for a lot of these things, but really, at the end of the day, that is the basic argument. Look we have laws in this country and they need to be enforced. And they’re not being enforced! And we have a government, you know, basically that’s controlled by a very hostile elite, that is hell-bent on dispossessing the very people who founded this country! And that is wrong!

[20:05]

Paul: Yeah, I completely agree. What race makes it okay, for you to go into somebody else’s country and break their laws? There is no race card you can play that makes that all right. And furthermore, we keep hearing this argument that well, you know, illegals don’t commit more crimes at a higher rate than the citizens. That is a false argument, from the jump! There should be zero crimes committed by illegals in this country! , because there should be zero illegals in this country! To suggest that the rate of crime has anything to do with it is false!

There shouldn’t be any illegals in this country. Whether you came here illegally, or you overstayed your visa, it doesn’t matter! If you’re on our soil illegally, you’re illegal! You get sent out! A problem exists and we have no means to keep people out of this country.

Gobache, he had been deported four times! He’d previously spent time in American prisons. He shot Spencer in the head at a red light. Spencer just pulled up, and the guy used his head as target practice! Kate Steinley was murdered by a five-time previously deported illegal alien! We can’t keep these people out of this country. We’re giving them a free trip back to Mexico, but that’s not doing us any good! It doesn’t do us any good at all! We’ve got to have a way to keep them out of this country.

John: Now that’s sort of where the wall comes in, correct? And I think the wall would be effective at, you know, preventing people from just crossing our border at will. But also I think it’s sort of like a symbolic thing as well. Like, look, the United States is not just up for exploitation any longer! We’re enforcing our laws. We’re building a wall, and we’re getting serious about this. I mean, think about it, what other country, aside from the United States, maybe Canada, certainly Europe.

You know, what other countries out there — and, by the way, all of those countries just so happen to be founded and built by White people. What other country out there, you mentioned Israel, you used Israel as an example. It’s a very ethnocentric, racial state. You have to be jewish to be a citizen. You can’t just show up in Israel and expect to get welfare, and housing, and free schooling and everything else. Don’t you ever go over to China expecting that! I mean, give me a break! Every other country enforces their laws for a reason.

Why is it only the United States, and European countries, and maybe to a lesser extent Canada, I don’t know, I don’t know all the details of what’s going on in Canada. But it seems like, it’s only Western countries that are pitched as these “Proposition Nations”, where everyone, from anywhere in the world, has a right to come over here and become an American citizen. And not even necessarily become an American citizen, but just to come over here and exploit our resources, and take advantage of everything that we’ve built up! I mean, it’s absolutely outrageous!

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Paul: Well, I think more people are becoming aware of the situation. And I think a big part of the fact that I’m not on Twitter anymore, was a big part of the fact that I was spending a whole lot of time, pointing out the amazing hypocrisy of censorship on the Internet.

And, you know, my “Shall Not Censor” proposal which would make it a federal crime for the large social media companies, essentially, YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter, [call broke up] Free speech would carry on to, our lawful speech would carry on to those social media platforms. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a few days after I introduced that proposal, that the onslaught of attacks from the globalists, and I named them, was just off the hook!

John: Just relentless! I remember watching it play out on Twitter!

Paul: Yeah, so in December I released that proposal December fourteenth. And I immediately started getting attacked for being an anti-semitic, and a racist! By then I had been really noticing who it was that was attacking me. And so, I decided to count all of the, just the verified Twitter users, not even unverified, just the verified Twitter users in my feed, who were attacking me. And I wrote down their name and their Twitter handle.

And I set about researching those eighty-one people who attacked me in December of 2017. And it turned out that seventy-four of those folks were of one tribe, and seven were of another tribe. And the seventy-four were from the jewish tribe, which represents two percent of the United States. So I have [call broke up] who makes up two percent of the US population. Now I’m an engineer, but it doesn’t take an engineer, or a statistician to tell that there is something absolutely sticking out at you when that happens. And so,

John: Don’t you dare notice that though, right!

Paul: Yes.

John: You can’t notice these things!

Paul: I got a seven-day twitter suspension for noticing it. And, you know, I was forced to delete my truthful tweets, which pointed out the hypocrisy of that. You know, I’m not ashamed of that. Every single day John, every single day blacks, and Whites, and Hispanics, and Han Chinese, they’re all subjected to criticism and critique in all sorts of circumstances and situation. All races are subject to that criticism and critique. All except for one, jews!

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That’s a double standard and that’s unacceptable! And I am going to continue to point out the hypocrisy of this, because it is undermining, and unweaving the fabric of our society.

And, you know, I grew up Lutheran. I went to Catholic church with my ex-wife and her kids. I got married immediately had kids in junior high. I was twenty-nine, I had kids in junior high. You know, I raised as boys like they were my own. And I got them through junior high and high school, and college, and graduate school. We ended up splitting up.

But I went on to, I ended up in an evangelical church at first. But there was a whole lot of reference to, kind of like reverence for Israel! And I really don’t understand it. I mean, at the time I had no idea. But, you know, I mean, this was 2014, I didn’t really, I mean, until really 2017, I kind of noticed it 2016. And I really started noticing it in 2017.

Towards the end of 2017 it was unquestionable that the people that were attacking me were predominantly jewish. And then things started making a whole lot more sense to me. Things that had gone on in 2016, made a lot more sense to me. And so, being that I had lived for forty-seven years and really didn’t catch on to all this, I thought, you know, this my responsibility. Was To tell other people.

“Hey this is going on around us!”

And it’s not about anything other than being pro-White. And I’ve been called a White supremacist, a racist, an anti-Semite. And, you know, if pro-White is “White supremacist” what is what is pro-jewish?

To me it’s jewish supremacism! If pro-White is White supremacist, then pro-choice is jewish supremacism. And certainly, if you look at it from the ADL’s perspective, there is no such thing as jewish supremacism, the jewish supremacists will tell you. And whenever the news media decides that it is going to validate one of their stories, there will be a jewish newspaper, or news media story, they will check with the ADL, to see if what they’re writing about me is true. That, is Nehlen really an anti-Semite?

So a group of jews goes to another group of jews to validate what the first group of jews says! Are you kidding me! I mean, it’s constant! I had a guy write a story today in The Boston Herald that was filled with lies! Filled with lies! He said, the first time Nehlen ran in 2012, he was a Tea Party candidate! I never ran in 2012! But he went on to equate me with these folks who tipped over jewish headstones, and made graffiti, Nazi graffiti! Well it turns out, those were all perpetrated by jews! All of those were hoaxes! They were all perpetrated by jews!

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I mean, the article just went on, and on, a classic case of gas lighting! And we deal with that every day. But people aren’t aware of it, and certainly evangelical Christians who think there are still some “land grant”, there’s still some promise from God to these folks, who spit on Christ! That “land grant” is not with those people! And I’m going to continue to tell the story! I’m going to continue to say to everybody:

“Hey look! What you’re being taught in Evangelical church stems from the Scofield Bible. And it’s not the teachings of Martin Luther! It’s not the teachings of the early Christian church!”

Early Christian church saw it for what it was. They, the jews, were expelled from Israel in 87 [AD], because God told them they were going to be expelled! And it’s not God who brought Israel back. I’m convinced the US hasn’t been better, I don’t think the US has been blessed more since Israel’s been in existence. In fact, if you went back to when Israel, 1948s the United States better now, than it was in 1948? I’d argue it isn’t! I would argue we are more divisive, we’ve got this diversity which is divisive. In every culture when you try to jam a bunch of cultures together you end up with catastrophe! Is what you end up with!

And that’s what we have here. Is headed towards catastrophe. They are making it okay, in the news media, to suggest that it’s okay, to punch a Nazi. But guess what! The only people who can be called Nazis, are White people! That’s what they’re doing there! They’re giving us a name, and saying it’s okay, to punch White people! It’s okay, to dispossess White people.

I just read an article, in a 400 level seminary class in Indiana [a student] was thrown out of the class for challenging the professor but there’s only two races [genders]. And the woman that was teaching the class, just had some TED talk from some transvestite, or trans something, or other. I mean, “up is down, down is up!” And we’ve got to come together, as a people, and say this is wrong, right! We’re going to advocate for White people. That’s doesn’t mean we’re advocating against somebody else! We are advocating for White people!

And I think it is absolutely, … I’m reading an article right now, a book by Greg Johnson called, “New Right Vs Old Right” all about meta-politics, and all of us coming together.

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John: Yeah, I know, I familiar with the book. I’ve read it myself, I have a copy of it. Yeah, it’s a very good book. Sorry, go ahead and finish your thought. I didn’t mean to interrupt you.

Paul: No, no, yeah, I think we have to get smarter about what we’re doing. We have to read up, and we can’t vote as split blocks. We really can’t, because reality is, there is a concerted effort, right now, essentially do away with the White race! It’s going on across the globe right now, and we’ve got to reverse!

John: Yep.

Paul: We’ve built some of the greatest civilizations known to man and we have to make a concerted effort to save it.

John: Yeah, yeah. No, I completely agree! I’m curious because, of course, any time you get into these topics, whether it’s criticizing jews, or just simply noticing things about jews, and noticing the way jews behave, the way jews operate, the sort of agendas they push, the sort of narratives they push, just noticing these things and becoming concerned about it, doing research into it, etcetera, it will lead you down these paths to racial realism, to really researching the jewish Question.

So, I’m curious, how would you describe your racial views? Because, if I’m not mistaken, in 2016 you were more sort of like just in a “America first” Trump style populist, right? You weren’t really getting into the racial issues, you weren’t really getting into, you know, the jewish Question, for example. So we’ve kind of seen a transformation and it seems relatively recent. So I’m just, how would you describe to somebody your overall racial views?

Paul: Well you’re right, you watched it in real-time. Everybody said:

“Oh yeah! Hey look at this meme of Paul Nehlen and Israel in 2016 at the wall!”

Yes, I was. I had my Trump hat on. I went to Israel, and I did filming for a documentary that I did on Islam. And, I had no idea of anything going on behind Islam, or other people pulling strings and other stuff going on. And everybody watched me in real-time taking red pills, and getting wise to the situation. And I would say, at this point, I would describe myself as a “race realist”. That I acknowledge that there are differences between races, and there are values, different values in different races, and different, …

You know I watched a video us night of a black preacher, who’s an American guy. And he was talking about, the guys traveled all over, and he was really well-educated, had his story together, he said:

“You know, I, …”

He’d been to St Petersburg and he talking about when St Petersburg was built and how St Peter went out and built this glorious, glorious city where there was nothing before it. And how there were no White men in Africa in the 1400s, or the 1500s, or the 1600s. And that he had been over Oxford, this black preacher, and been over to Oxford. And he was in these buildings that were built-in, I think he said 1680, or 1714, or something. Very old! And he just marveled at that! He said:

“You know, there isn’t a single structure in all of Africa! From Libya all the way to Cape Town! Not one! From the 1400s, 1500s, or the 1600s, or from the 1700s! There might be one from the 1800s!”

And, you know, he said:

“You can’t blame White people for that.”

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And the guy was dead on right! And so you look at that you say, wait a minute! We built civilizations and people aren’t racing to other countries to establish themselves in these other countries. They’re racing to White countries! They’re racing to countries where White heritage built that country. And you’ll hear people say:

“Well, yeah, America was built on the back of blacks!”

No blacks built Boston! No blacks built many, many, northern towns. And only 1.6 percent of the people in the South owned slaves. So yeah, there were slavery. And how did the slaves get here? The Muslims rounded them up and sold them off. And the blacks fought against the blacks in Africa, and sold them to the Muslims.

And who was doing all of the money keeping and the trading of that? It was the jews! I mean, it, you know, when you step back and you look at all this, you go, wow!

There’s a whole lot of race realism to learn, if you’re willing to be called a “racist”.

John: Yeah!

Paul: If you’re willing to stand in the breach and be called names, you can learn a whole lot! But that doesn’t mean that I don’t love my wife, who happens to be not White. I love her dearly! I prayed to God that he would send me somebody who loved me. That’s all I wanted was somebody who loved me.

And, you know, my first wife was White. I married my high school sweetheart, and that didn’t work out. I married another woman, who was White, and we were married for quite a while and things didn’t quite work out. You know, God, I keep moving forward and I keep praying about things. And God sent me a woman who loves me very much. She doesn’t happen to be White. If you heard her on the phone, you think she’s the Whitest woman you ever met. But she loves me, she takes care of me, she looks out for me, she cares for me.

But, you know, I say these things to her, you know, it’s dangerous in Mexico! I mean, there, largely, there’s a population down there that is prone to violence and does not value life the same way we do here in the United States. And every day I’m proven right. There’s amputations [decapitations] by drug dealers, and murders, and kidnappings, and just the most horrific things right on the southern border of United States! Right over the border. And getting into the United States. So I am absolutely a race realist!

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You know, if you ask a thousand Chinese people that spoke English, in China. You and I took time travel and went the China right now and we are there for coffee in the morning. And we asked the thousand Chinese people:

“What would happen if you stopped working?”

The predominant answer we would get from them is, “You die!” Here in United States you can be a single mom with eight children of five, or eight different fathers, and you could decide that you need some more money from the government, so you’re going to have a ninth child. Now if you, or I say:

“Well that’s wrong! You shouldn’t be able to do that.”

We’re either called racists, or uncaring bigots, or whatever! Whatever that mom [call broke up] and there’s some sense of entitlement here in this country, that’s built up over time, that’s wrong! That is wrong whether you’re a White person, or a black person, or a brown person, any person! They have no right to my money! They have no right to John Friend’s money, in order to stay home and make babies, and live off the largess of the government.

So I think within races there are stratification, there’s the strong and the weak, the smart and the fool, you know, the hard-working and the lazy slacker!

So, we have to be willing to call that out!

John: Yeah! Yeah, you know, I think you’re making a lot of good points, and one thing I think that a lot of people struggle with, especially White people, when it comes to some of these racial issues, is that our overall historical narrative is presented from such an anti-White perspective. I mean, White people, if you think about it, growing up in America, for example, as a White child you’re learning about how evil White people came and took over America, and had slaves, killed their slaves, whipped their slaves, treated them terribly, separated families apart. You know, we exploited the Native Americans and enslaved them. Then there’s colonialism and then, of course, the “Holocaust” that pretty much every single White person is apparently responsible for!

Paul: Right.

John: So my point is that our historical narrative, the mainstream historical narrative, is presented from a very anti-White perspective. And I think that prevents a lot of White people from having a healthy racial consciousness! I mean, racial issues aren’t really taught in school anyways, like race realism anyways. So it’s fundamentally presented from a very anti-White perspective. Where White people and there’s even quotes from some of these radical jewish intellectuals, for example, where they’re literally saying:

“White people are the cancer of history!”, “White people are responsible for all of the problems we see in the world today. All of the injustice we see in the world today.”

So most people get this and they don’t really think critically about it. They’re not offered any other alternative explanation of history, or whatever. And the more research that I did when I kind of started getting into some of these racial issues, … I was reading Dr Kevin MacDonald website, the Occidental Observer dot net, who he recently joined your campaign — which I do want to talk about here in just a second.

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Paul: Right.

John: But I started reading material from Dr MacDonald, Jared Taylor. You mentioned Greg Johnson — I’ve read a couple of his books — and other thinkers, and writers, and whatnot. And I came to the realization that a more accurate and objective perspective of history, portrays Whites truly as the founders of civilization! And really the people that really created all of the political development we see today, created all — at least most of it — the economic development, all of the advances in technology and architecture. I mean, you name it, I mean, really I think that’s a much more accurate objective, and ultimately a much more healthy person, certainly for White people. But also for everybody else, for that matter. Much more, a much better narrative of history. One that’s actually true, and not totally weaponized by jews against Whites!

I mean, that’s my opinion, but I think we can make a pretty good case that is exactly what’s going on! I think really that’s kind of a main impediment to people actually having a healthy racial perspective, at least White people, anyway. Our history is presented in such a negative and anti-White way that it’s difficult to think about these things. And, of course, our perspectives, pro-White perspectives, race realist perspectives, are not even allowed to be entertained in schools! It’s that tyrannical.

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Paul: Yeah. I’m frequently annoyed when I hear this raging against Russia. Russia, we ought to be friends with Russia by this time. And I would suggest that if we were aligned with Russia and not with Israel, we would be in a lot better position as a globe, than we are today! And that a lot of this fighting, you know, it’s almost as if it’s the man behind the curtain doing a lot of this.

For example, the hash tag “Oscars so White”, right? That put in a lot of people’s minds that, you know, it’s terrible that there are so many White people. When in fact, Hollywood is all jews! And, you know, if you look at somebody the color of their skin doesn’t tell you that there are White, or if they’re jewish.

And maybe the keen observer can tell one from the other. I can’t, I have to research it. And I have to check out the names, check out the history, check out all the things, the “markers” as you well know. So that whole “shapeshifter” situation, where we’re led to believe that Whites are doing all these bad things, when, in fact, they’re jews are doing these things!

John: Right!

Paul: And they’re portraying themselves as Whites when they do them, for the benefit of undermining the Whites!

But, an interesting thing is happening, and it comes from all places, the Nation of Islam. You may have seen some of the leader of the Nation of Islam recently. He has been naming the jew, and so I thought for a moment, well maybe I reach out to him and have a discussion. Then I thought, maybe not, you know, he’s pretty polarizing figure and there’s probably folks who maybe have a larger drawing in the African-American community.

But the reality is, the African-American community and the Hispanic community, are being manipulated by the jews, the same way Whites are being manipulated by jews. And I think, I don’t know this to be true, but I think blacks think those folks are Whites. And same thing with the Hispanics. And they think it’s Whites doing this stuff to them when, in fact, it’s the jews.

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And the better we are at pointing that out to them, the more folks we’re going to have on our side. Because, I don’t think we should only wage this bottle against the globalists, the international cosmopolitans, ourselves. I think we shouldn’t enlist the help of the African-Americans and the Hispanics. I want them to have their own space. I do. And I want my own space. I don’t want to have to constantly be waging battle with the blacks and the Hispanics, because they think the Whites are the ones behind all the shenanigans, when, in fact, it’s the jews are behind all the shenanigans.

John: Right.

Paul: So I’m going to make a concerted certain effort to point that out to them.

John: Yeah. No, I hear you. I think you’re making a lot of sense, and that’s kind of always been my approach. I’m willing to, you know, collaborate with, work with, or just have an honest conversation with anybody, you know, no matter their race, even if they’re jewish. And if you want to have a conversation about these issues, let’s do it. But I expect you to hear me out, just like I’m going to hear you out. And, you know, I can’t have you be offended at every little thing I say.

But I think, again, I think a lot of non-Whites in general, I think they have been used by the organized jewish community, as sort of like the pawns in this greater game, right? I think you can make a very strong case with that. And especially when it comes to like the history between the organized jewish community and the black community. Like the NAACP, for example, was founded by a bunch of jews as a way to basically instigate them and to use them to ultimately undermine White society.

And we see this across the board with the organized Jewish community. I mean, they are always partnering up and collaborating with every single minority! Whether it’s illegal aliens now, or blacks back in the forty’s, fifty’s, and sixty’s.

Or, right now the big thing is that LBGT community. They use all of these minorities in this broader war against traditional Western, Christian civilization, which, you know, I shouldn’t have to point this out, but I will, was founded by White people! And developed by White people, primarily.

So I think you’re right about that, and I think you do see a lot more people on YouTube, and in the alternative media on Twitter, etc., that are non-White, and they’re talking about jews. They recognize these things. I’ve been following — you were talking about the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan — I’ve been following him for a number of years and he’s always been a critic of jews!

Paul: Yep.

John: And he’s always stood up to them. He’s always called out, you know, just exposed jewish power, Jewish supremacy in the United States. And I do want to get into the jewish question, and how you got Dr MacDonald working on your campaign.

Paul: Yeah.

John: Correct me if I’m wrong, but I mean, you really started connecting the dots. It was primarily, and you kind of already explained this, primarily, because of all the censorship, and all the all the jewish pressure put on you on Twitter, and on other social media platforms, to basically shut you down and to get you to shut up! Talking about the issues that you were at the time. Is that is that basically correct?

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Paul: Sorry you broke up on me there.

John: Oh no, I was just, to kind of recap how you kind of got into looking more closely at sort of the jewish question. It was primarily, because these people were attempting to shut you down, correct? And then that kind of led into other aspects. Go ahead.

Paul: Yeah, it started back in 2016. I had people attacking me on the trade deal and on closing the border down. And I noticed it a little bit back then, but I wasn’t so cut and dried at that point. And then supporting Trump, I had some of the same people, but some more folks attacking me. And then when I made my documentary “Hijrah – Radical Islam’s Global Invasion” I had persons attacking me there.

And I went over Israel, and there’s a woman on Twitter named Amie Mac. Just before I left, I was talking to a guy by the name of Jared Wyam on Twitter, and she reached out to me at the time. The conversation was like:

“Jared Wyam is a rotten human being! He’s a White supremacist!”

And blah, blah, blah! And you know, I’ve chatted with Jared a few times, and I didn’t find him offensive at all. And I basically told Amie that well, you know, sorry you feel that way, but I’m going to choose who I speak to. You’re not going to reach out to me and tell me who I’m allowed to talk to and who I’m not allowed to talk to. Who hell does that, right? Well, it turns out that is what Jews do.

John: That’s what they do!

Paul: I’ve learned about, a year ago, January, the story about twenty million Christians being killed by these Bolshevik jews. And I had never heard this story before! And I said, where did this come from? Why am I just now hearing this? I’m forty six years old, at the time, and the guy that I was speaking said:

“You need to get this book, ‘The Culture of Critique’”.

He said:

“I can explain this to you right now, in one conversation. You’ll never, … it’ll be like the most massive red pill ever! You aren’t ready for this!”

[55:51]

So, I got the book, and I, like that day I got the book! And I read ten pages of it, and I shook my head, and I laid the book down and said:

“What the hell is this guy talking about?”

And that book laid there for like six months.

[call broke up]

John: Last I heard was, you know, you were describing “Culture of Critique” and how you obtained a copy of the book and you read like ten pages, and then you put it down and the book laid there for six months. You want to pick up right there.

Paul: Sure. Yes sure.

So then the attacks just kept coming, and I did the best I could with all of them. You know, kept on my message. And I picked that book up again, I don’t know, three four more months later, and read the same ten pages, and put it back down. And I just couldn’t get it!

[56:51]

And then when the attacks came after I released the time.

Paul: Legislation and I realized all these attacks, ninety-two percent of these attacks in December were from Jews. I picked that book back up and started reading it. And I couldn’t put it down! And then I reached out to — I’ve got to mutual friend with Dr MacDonald — and asked him if be okay, if I called? And I called him and he said to me:

“I’ve been a big fan of yours!”

And I thought that was so funny, because, you know, I just read his book and I really, really, enjoyed it. And I wanted to talk to him about it. And we had a great conversation! And he’s very kind with his time. He wants to help me learn and understand, and so I asked him if he would be interested in being on my campaign. And he very graciously, … first he asked me [call broke up] And we discussed how that would play out, and he said that he was interested in doing it. And I’m very grateful for that.

I’ve got Josh Smith moved over to Legislative Director, and unlike most other campaigns in the country, we’re writing legislation ahead of being elected., because we want somebody to pick it up. This “Shall Not Censor” legislation is so vital to free speech on the defacto public square! As the Supreme Court has ruled, the social media platforms are now the de facto public square. And I’ve got a couple other things that are brewing, that are going to be coming to fruition here very quickly, behind it.

[58:50]

Because I don’t look at this as a full-time, for the rest of my working days. I’m going to do that for, you know, a few years and then I’m going to step out of it and let somebody younger coming up behind me work on it.

I’m an engineer, I like building things, I like running businesses. I think that I’ll be good for a while, helping with the nation. And I intend to do that. So, I’m just very grateful that Dr MacDonald has agreed to help me.

John: Yes, me too! I read your press release which I think you put out, if I’m not mistaken, last Friday. And I subscribed to your campaign. By the way, do you want to give out the website.

Paul: Sure. Yeah. It’s “elect nehlen dot com”. Elect and NEHLEN dot com.

John: Perfect. And Il, of course, have the link, …

Paul: You can follow me on Gab.

John: Yeah, I’ll have a link over to your official campaign website, as well as your Gab profile which is probably the best way to follow what you’re doing. Unless your on Facebook, I guess. I’m not on Facebook.

Paul: Yeah, I’m on Facebook. I’m fairly active on Facebook. You know, the constituencies are different. I’ve got an older population on Facebook here and so I communicate with them, you know, fairly regularly, a few times a day, in fact. And I’m a voracious reader and I try to share with people what I’m into at the moment, and following, and trying to keep them aware, abreast, of what’s going on in Congress., in fact, there’s going to be a vote this week on taking guns away from veterans.

They’re going to call it, … you know, they always call these things some ridiculous name, like “Safe Schools Act”, or something like that. And it really is this Nix fix going through, and it’s going to pay half a billion dollars to a bunch of different US agencies to add names to the Nix List. Well do you think they’re going to add more names, or fewer names, if they’re given more money? They’re going to add more names! They’re going to add a bunch of veterans names! If any veterans have anybody helping them take care of their money, or any number of things, it’s going to be a trigger for their rights, their Second Amendment to be abrogated! It’s ridiculous!

[61:38]

John: Absolutely! Yes. And this is something that they’ve been working on for a very, very long time, this whole gun grab issue. Yeah, no doubt. Well I’m really glad that Dr MacDonald has agreed to join your campaign. I’ve always been very, very, impressed with his work. His book Culture of Critique was very, very, influential on my thinking, as it sounds like it has been on yours.

Paul: It has.

John: I think the issues that he addresses in that book, and the other issues that he addresses on his website, are just so important, so critical to the future of our country, to the future of our nation, to the future of our race and of our world! I mean, there’s that important! They go to the heart of what’s going on! Of what’s wrong in the world. And I think it’s absolutely essential that we start talking about these things publicly, and do so, you know, in a political way, in a political campaign. Somebody has got to stand up and say these things. And I’m so glad that you are! And there’s others that are starting do the same.

[62:44]

I think Trump has really kind of emboldened the Alt-Right and allowed more room for our ideas to gain more traction and certainly to get more coverage. We see how the media has been hysterically covering the Alt-Right, and some of these other issues that are important to the Alt-Right.

I have a question. We have to wrap up here in just a second. I’d love to do this again though.

Paul: Sure!

John: And maybe get into the details of your campaign and what exactly you’re proposing and things like that. But I think this is a pretty good sort of introductory type conversation. I want to ask you before we wrap up. Would you consider yourself like part of the Alt-Right, or like an Alt-Right political candidate? How would you address that question if like a mainstream reporter were to ask you, for example?

Paul: Sure. The problem with saying “Am I Alt right” is they want to say:

“Oh! Alt-Right equals White nationalism! White supremacist!”

And so, I don’t have a problem with somebody calling me an Alt-Right candidate. I really don’t! I don’t go around labeling myself. You know, I label myself as a Christian, and I label myself as White, pro-White. But as soon as you get off of that, into some type of lingo that people aren’t really aware of, I probably need to have an elevator speech that says:

“Yeah, I’m fine with being called Alt-Right, if this is your definition of Alt-Right.”

And give a fifteen second rendition of what that means. I guess, to distill it to it’s essence, it’s a pro-White candidate. And so yes, all day, every day, I will admit to being a pro-White candidate.

[64:49]

John: Well, very good! It’s about time we had at least one pro-White candidate out there representing our interests, and bringing up some of these topics! And I think that’s a very good! And I’m very encouraged. I mean, really like the way things are going politically I think things are definitely moving in our direction. Maybe not as quickly as some of us would like, but these things do take time.

And I think your campaign and the issues that you’re raising, the topics that you’re bringing up are so vital, so important! And I think you’re doing a great job representing them, and championing them, and explaining them to people! And I certainly wish you the best of luck in the campaign, and again, I’d really like to do this again and kind of get into more details, of what it is exactly you’re proposing.

Paul: Sure.

John: I think we could do a whole podcast, just kind of focusing on that., because we really didn’t get a chance to get into all the issues that are important to your campaign. We talked about them kind of broadly, but I think it would be good to talk about them in some more detail. So Paul, …

Paul: That sounds great.

John: Yeah! Man, thank you so much! I’m really glad that you reached out I’m glad that we finally connected. We’ll have to stay in touch and definitely do this again man.

Paul: Okay, great. Keep up the great work with your website, your writing, and your podcasts. I really appreciate it.

John: Thank you! I appreciate that as well. I will definitely be in touch, and I will send you a link to this podcast, once it’s up on the website.

Paul: And I’ll put it up. Thanks sir.

John: Okay, thank you very much. I will talk to you real soon.

Paul: Okay, God bless.

[66:19]

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13 COMMENTS

aj

March 14, 2018 2:32 pm

Great program, John. Thanks to you both. Paul is a force. Hope we can support his effort.

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- Realist Report
  
  March 14, 2018 7:35 pm
  
  Thanks aj! Paul is the man!
  
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Phil

March 15, 2018 6:50 pm

Hello John!

I was disappointed to find out that your TalkShoe page was gone when I checked in to see if a new Realist Report episode was uploaded. My first thought was your account was shoah’d due to pressure from the “usual suspects” like many dissident pages and sites as of late. Luckily I still have all your old shows archived on a flash drive.

Btw, I’ve been a listener to TRR right from the beginning (2011-2012) when you first started doing the program. I’m especially looking forward to listening to this one with Paul Nehlen!

Keep up the great work!

Phil from N.J.

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- Realist Report
  
  March 15, 2018 8:15 pm
  
  Thanks man! Yeah, TalkShoe booting me has caused some problems, as that was my primary archive of all of my podcasts. Even the way I upload them to this website was impacted… Some of my really old podcasts I may not be able to recover unfortunately. I would recommend subscribing to the podcast RSS feed directly from TheRealistReport.com. They should automatically download if you subscribe.
  
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  - Tucker
    
    March 16, 2018 10:12 pm
    
    John, I have a folder set aside for the downloads of your radio shows and it has 167 mp3 files in it. Doing a quick scan of this folder, the oldest shows I see date back to 2013.
    
    If you have a mailing address, I can burn all 167 of these mp3s to a DVD or two and drop the DVD in the mail.
    
    In the future, I would strongly recommend that you purchase a high capacity external USB drive or two, and get a copy of a product called Acronis True Image 2018. I have been using Acronis for years and highly recommend it. It allows you to create a backup image of a hard drive, or, of selected files and/or folders – and then store the image to an external drive. For simple disaster recovery – in situations where your C: drive goes bad, Acronis can be used to restore your entire O/S and all associated applications to the new replacement drive. This is a huge time saver – and is far faster and less tedious than to have to reinstall Windows and then each individual third party application.
    
    Acronis Images can also be ‘mounted’ as though they were a disk drive, and then browsed if you wish to locate a particular file or folder – and then you can simply copy the needed file or folder over to a spot where it can be accessed.
    
    Also, with the cost of large capacity USB drives coming down – it makes perfect sense for people who are active in the pro-White community to perform their own backups and not rely upon the ‘Cloud’ scam, which I suspect is being controlled by the NSA.
    
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    - Realist Report
      
      March 17, 2018 7:32 am
      
      Sweet! Shoot me an email and I’ll send you my mailing address.
      
      Reply
      - Tucker
        
        March 18, 2018 11:02 pm
        
        What is your email address?
      - Realist Report
        
        March 18, 2018 11:08 pm
        
        Check the Contact page.
katana

March 17, 2018 7:14 am

The Realist Report Interviews Paul Nehlen – Mar 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

https://katana17.wordpress.com/2018/03/17/the-realist-report-interviews-paul-nehlen-mar-2018-transcript/

John Friend of The Realist Report interviews Paul Nehlen, a candidate running against supercuck Paul Ryan in his home State of Wisconsin. Paul describes his background as someone who has worked their way up from the shop floor, to engineer, and manager of many manufacturing businesses in the States and worldwide. He goes on to describe his awakening to race realism, and more recently, and most importantly, his red-pilling on the role of organized jewry and their genocidal intentions against the White race — KATANA.

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- Nick Dean
  
  March 19, 2018 12:46 pm
  
  Thank you as always, Katana.
  
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Jim Somers

March 18, 2018 9:24 pm

Hi John. Thanks for doing the Paul Nehlen show. His work is very important for humanity, especially for us white Christians. I hope to God he wins the election. I have been experiencing what must be a virus, if it is not due to spying and censorship. On sites like yours, often what I write will be spontaneously deleted while writing. I have no control over it. It just happened five minutes ago here on this site. What I was writing then was a much more hard core exposure of why it is us that the tribe is trying to make extinct. And about this much was written, and BOOM! Gone just like that! I just read that microsoft is expected to start doing what facebook and twitter etc. have been doing. Anyway, lets hope and pray that Nehlen makes it.

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Michael Creighton

March 25, 2018 11:15 am

Paul. Luther is part of the problem and helped destroy Christendom. https://youtu.be/Z7zhGJH-y2o

Regards, MAC

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- Nick Dean
  
  March 26, 2018 11:06 am
  
  MAC, our problem is not religious in nature. Race-replacement is a biological process. A new Christendom still exists wherever actually believing Catholic Christians predominate, and that’s principally Africa and Asia – go there if you want to enjoy just what you say Luther destroyed. I think you’ll find Catholic Christianity isn’t the solution to our key problem, but White people enjoying self-rule is.

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[John Friend and Carolyn Yeager discuss the recent Greg Johnson vs Andrew Anglin “debate” where the “Holocaust” and Revisionism were some of the topics discussed.

John and Carolyn then take Kevin MacDonald and Greggy to the woodshed for their failure to man-up and confront the fraudulent nature of the “holocaust industry” that the jews have placed, like a millstone, around the necks of Whites.

The Revisionists have systematically and conclusively proven that the “Holocaust” is the “hoax of the 20th century“. What stands in the way of this becoming general public knowledge is organized jewry’s stranglehold over our governments and media, etc.

Between this proven hoax and the public’s lack of awareness stand two prominent members of the White movement, who for reasons explored by Carolyn and John, make excuses for evading this fact, or worst, pretend with word play that it still “happened“.

As Carolyn and John discuss, the fraudulent “Holocaust” is central to organized jewry’s strategy of guilt tripping Whites to prevent them into moving towards White nationalism by linking it negatively to racial awareness, that then leads to “Nazism” and the inevitable “gassing of six million innocent jews“.

As such, it is essential that the White movement comes to grips with exposing the Holohoax for what it is, so that this massive psychological weapon, roadblock, can be neutralized.

Meanwhile the jews continue on with their genocidal plans to destroy the White race — KATANA.]

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On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined once again by Carolyn Yeager. Carolyn and I focus on the recent debate between Andrew Anglin and Greg Johnson which focused on the importance and relevance of historical revisionism in the overall pro-White struggle. Carolyn and I both agree that revisionism is an essential aspect of the struggle for the White race, as our historical narrative – especially as it pertains to WWII, Adolf Hitler, and the so-called “Holocaust” of “6 million Jews” – has been entirely weaponized against our people. We also address a number of other related issues in this very important podcast.

Below are relevant links for this program:

Greg Johnson echos Kevin MacDonald in opposing ‘Holocaust revisionism’ – One must ask why – Carolyn Yeager
Andrew Anglin And Greg Johnson Discuss The Alt Right
My Conversation with Andrew Anglin – Greg Johnson
Why the Holocaust Story Was Invented – John Wear
Top Jewish leader claims entire Western world culpable for “Holocaust” – John Friend

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[00:38]

Voice over: You are listening to The Realist Report. And now your host, John Friend!

John: All right folks, welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. The website is The Realist Report dot com, where you can find an extensive archive of these pod casts as well as other radio broadcasts I have participated in, in the past. You can also find all of my blog posts and articles, a contact page, my Twitter feed, which is embedded on the right hand side of the website, and many other useful and important links. I am a regular reporter for American Free Press, America’s last real newspaper, and I also contribute to The Barnes Review, the bi-monthly history magazine affiliated with American Free Press. I encourage everyone listening to subscribe to both publications. Check out American Free Press dot net and The Barnes Review dot org for more details.

OK, with that said, let me introduce my special guest this evening. Carolyn Yeager is back once again to discuss a recent debate between Andrew Anglin and Greg Johnson. Which focuses on the importance and relevance of historical Revisionism in the overall pro-White struggle. A topic Carolyn and I have addressed in the past.

Carolyn, welcome back to the program! How are you this evening?

Carolyn: I’m just fine, John. Glad to be here.

John: Yes, good! I’m glad that you could join me. You wrote an article about this debate between Greg Johnson and Andrew Anglin which is over on Carolyn Yeager dot net. And I will link to it. I hope people go there and check it out. I think you have a lot of very important and good things to say about the debate. And really that’s going to be the main topic for this conversation. I will be honest, I did not listen to the entire debate. I think if you can find it on YouTube and you can also find it on, … There’s like a new alternative to YouTube from what I understand. I think it’s Bitchute, is that correct?

Carolyn: Yes.

John: Yes. You can find it [the debate] in multiple places. You have it linked on a couple of different, …

Carolyn: Yes. I have both of them linked.

John: Yes, over on your site. If you just Google it, you can find it. It’s been all over the place. It is a pretty interesting debate. Certainly worth checking out. Again I didn’t listen to the entire thing. I listened to most of it, and I mean, frankly I’ve basically heard what both Anglin and Johnson have to say about the subject, so it really wasn’t anything, …

[Image] The many faces of Andrew Anglin.

Carolyn: And then Anglin said, afterwards, that it wasn’t supposed to be a debate, but then afterwards they started calling it a debate. But I guess that was important to him, that he didn’t feel like he was in debate. You know, he wasn’t prepared, maybe, to debate anything. You know, but they did have interestingly pretty much opposing views when it came to “Holocaust” and revisionism, which is the part that I found interesting.

John: Right. Now there was a another debate that preceded the Anglin and Johnson debate, and that was between Greg Johnson and Vox Day. And they did a debate, and it was hosted by Terry McCarthy, who also hosted the debate between Anglin and Johnson.

[Image] Vox Day vs Greg Johnson debate.

In the Johnson and Vox Day debate, was a few weeks ago, I want to say, shortly after Charlottesville. And they were kind of addressing similar topics. They were talking about National Socialists and Nazis. How important, or relevant they are, like in the pro-White, Alt-Right movement, or whatever. And I’d listened to that too, again I didn’t listen to the entire thing, but I thought that was kind of interesting. Again, I’ve heard the arguments made by Johnson and Fox Day. So again, it wasn’t really anything, …

Carolyn: I had not before. It was sort of focused on Socialism in that debate, National Socialism and what Socialism meant, how to interpret it and so on.

And I listened to it, because you mentioned it to me. But I didn’t think much of it.

[05:14]

John: Yeah, you know, I really didn’t either. And even the Anglin and Johnson debate, I really wasn’t that impressed with either of them. So I mean, I agreed more with Anglin, but I think I would basically just present the information and present my perspective much differently than even Anglin would. I would explain it much differently and make different points than he would, than he did in this debate. Although I think he did OK. But I think I would have just handled it much differently.

So, I think overall, I would agree with Anglin.

Carolyn: The reason they had that, … According to Anglin, and it is true, was that Anglin complained that Greg Johnson had misrepresented him in the Johnson Vox Day debate. And so he said: “Well, you come on and we’ll talk about that.” And so in a couple places that’s when Johnson asked Andrew:

“Well, how did I misrepresent you, Andrew?”

And Andrew told him. He was prepared to say that. He had a couple different things that he thought were important. But then I don’t think Anglin had thought he was prepared to debate the “Holocaust” and, or Adolf Hitler, or anything like that. So, that’s why he said what he did, because maybe he would have done a different job, if he had gone there intending to debate that.

John: Okay, I get you.

Carolyn: He said what he thought, you know, I thought he did okay. But you’re right, he didn’t have some things right.

John: Yeah, I think overall he did pretty good.

Carolyn: Yeah.

John: And again I would certainly agree with Anglin over Greg Johnson, for sure, when it comes to this issue. So with that being said, I just want to say really quickly about Greg Johnson, because I think you’re going to be much more critical of him, than I will be.

I’ve been listening to and reading Greg Johnson for a number of years. I have one of his books, and I’m forgetting the title, off the top of my head. “New Right versus Old Right” I think that’s the name of it.

[Image] New Right vs Old Right by Greg Johnson. Click image to enlarge.

Carolyn: Yeah.

John: And I think Greg Johnson is a very, very smart man. He’s very articulate. I think he makes a lot of good arguments. His book I thought was really good, although there are certain sections, that I totally disagreed with. Including the article where he talks about the “Holocaust”. And it was actually the article that was published originally on The Occidental Observer dot net. It was basically the same article he wrote for the website, that was also published in the book.

And that’s an article that I’m sure we’ll bring up and talk about here as we proceed. But the book overall, was very good. I learned a lot from it. I think he makes a very good case for, you know, pro-White interests over all.

Again, I think he’s very articulate, very intelligent. I mean, the man’s a Ph D. He’s obviously, very smart. I just totally disagree with him when it comes to Revisionism and the “Holocaust”.

So, I just want to say that. I think he’s very smart, I think he is an asset to the movement overall. I just disagree with him. Then, of course, there’s also this debate, whether, or not he’s gay. And I don’t know if he is, or not.

Carolyn: John! John! That’s a definite fact! I mean, he didn’t want to talk about it for a long time, tried to avoid it and not talk about it. But he never denied it!

John: Right.

Carolyn: And it was Alex Linder who was trying to get him to deny it. And he didn’t do it. He was always walking around it. So, he’s even prides himself in being able to, you know, swerve around and make his arguments and come out with what he thinks is a winning argument. No matter what. It’s not based really on that he’s got all the facts right, or the facts on his side, but he just thinks he knows how to argue. And he said that. So, I think that there’s no doubt about that. He doesn’t want to say so, but he doesn’t fight it.

John: Right. And, you know, honestly I think you’re probably right, but again it’s not something that I frankly care too much about. It is what it is.

Carolyn: Let me say that I don’t care too much about him. I could leave him alone, but I do care about, as you know, about Revisionism. And I care about World War Two history, and I care about National Socialism. And when I hear him saying the things he does, I can’t, and I don’t think we should, just say, well that’s his opinion, he can have his opinion.

Naturally, he can have his opinion. But, I wouldn’t just let it pass it by and say it doesn’t matter. He’s good on other things. I think it does matter, because, as I’m going to try to point out here, the things that he says about it are totally ridiculous! And wrong! And uneducated!

John: Sure. I agree.

Carolyn: He makes this “great” argument. He makes this argument that just flips around. But, it’s not based on facts, and therefore it shouldn’t be respected, I don’t think.

[10:50]

John: OK. Yeah I sort of agree with you, I mean, pretty much. Before we get into the main topic, let’s actually just address this right off the bat. This issue of Johnson being gay. Because I’ve heard you argue in the article you wrote that his homosexuality seems to influence his thinking in his pro-White stance, and everything. So, how influential is his homosexual sexual identity in all of this? Do you think it has a huge role in his overall perspective?

Carolyn: Yeah, well I’ve said so and, you know, I realized when I was writing this, that I was just being way out there with talking about him actually giving the reasons for his thinking as his homosexuality, over and over, again. I knew I was doing that, and I didn’t actually get criticized for it. You know, to my face. But I thought I would. But then I thought, this just hits me so hard in everything that he says, while I kept to the “Holocaust” Revisionism, for the most part, and somewhat with the Hitler stuff.

It just strikes me so strongly that, that is the reasoning behind it. And this is not brand new, because I’ve said these things before, but I haven’t talked about Greg Johnson for a long time. And I don’t think, in a sense it’s none of my business what Greg Johnson is doing. But when he comes out publicly with this stuff on this topic, I just feel like I got to answer this, and I’ve got to say something.

John: Yes.

Carolyn: And there are some people who appreciate it.

John: No, definitely! I mean, every time I hear him, or Dr Kevin MacDonald, again two individuals I’ve learned a lot from, I respect. I think they’re certainly on our side, overall, but I just totally disagree with this. And I think it is a very important point. In fact, as you know, I often argue when I’m doing pod-casts when I’m writing, that the fake “Holocaust” story is the entire bedrock of this New World Order! This anti-White, White genocide agenda, jewish agenda. This is the heart of it. This is what drives all. It’s the paradigm that really shapes this and advances it. And I mean, I just don’t see how we can avoid it, if we are to confront these problems, and deal with them seriously. I don’t think that we can. And we will get into that as we, …

Carolyn: Yeah, I know you believe that John. But you’re also a very nice person, but also you are committed to the movement. You don’t want to criticize people. And I’m criticized for going out and criticizing people who some people think shouldn’t be criticized, especially Kevin MacDonald. And, you know, a couple weeks before this Johnson Anglin discussion, I wrote something* about Kevin MacDonald, which was longer than this.

[* See Carolyn’s Aug 8, 2017 blog post: “Kevin MacDonald on record saying whether the Holocaust actually happened is ‘not important’“]

[Image] Kevin MacDonald (pic taken at the 2016 NPI conference) and his landmark book on jews, “The Culture of Critique“.

He did a radio program with that, “non jewish” jew, and a girl there asked him about the “Holocaust” and Hitler and stuff. So he answered. And I was so shocked! Just thought his answers are pretty terrible. And I wrote about him about two years ago on the same topic, because a radio program* he did.

[* See Carolyn’s Nov 16, 2015 blog post: “The Heretics’ Hour: Kevin MacDonald’s problem with Holocaust revisionism“]

So these two men, … Now, MacDonald I always respected so much and I would never have, … Well he never talked about it, that I knew of in the past. But he did on these two occasions, because he was asked! And these were both, maybe since he was retired, I don’t know if he was retired the first one, but probably. And I thought, well that’s pretty ignorant! That’s not right. And so I made a noise about it, and I’m good at doing that. [John laughs]

John: Yes, you are.

Carolyn: That’s my role, I guess. So I have those two, that kind of go together in my mind. So when this came up with Greg Johnson, I thought, well I’m going to write something about this, too. Just to be fair! [chuckling]

[15:28]

John: Yeah, and I think it’s totally legitimate to have these discussions and to publicly disagree with other thought leaders, in the Alt-Right, or whatever. I think that’s totally fine. I think that’s healthy, really, what we should be doing, rather than engaging in drama, or gossip, and all this other crap. If we’re going to criticize somebody, …

Carolyn: We’re just ignoring it. Mostly, people don’t want to criticize someone like Kevin MacDonald, even over his views on “Holocaust” revisionism. But, it was a big hit, a lot of conversation about it. A lot of comments, a good thread about it and so on.

John: Right.

Carolyn: Anyway, like you, that is my big thing. And I’ve decided even more, and more, that when it comes down to it, that’s my big thing! And so, I’m going to push it as much as I can. And I don’t have the reach those guys do, but I can certainly say what I think about the misleading things they’re saying about it.

John: Yes, exactly. So, let’s get right into it. What were your overall thoughts on the debate? What points would you make?

Carolyn: Johnson said:

“No honest revisionist claims that the “Holocaust” never happened.”

And then he says:

“Robert Faurisson claims that the “Holocaust” never happened. But only by insisting on a particular definition.”

Those are his words. He says:

“His argument is too clever by half and cannot be taken seriously.”

He kept repeating:

“We don’t have to rehabilitate the Third Reich.”

And he said:

“You can say that we are Nazis, or you can say, ‘No, we’re not Nazis’, or you can say, ‘Nazis are not evil’, but you can’t say, …”

I don’t know, whatever.

John: Well, his main argument seemed to be that the pro-White struggle and having a pro-White identity, and just the overall pro-White message is in no way related to what happened during World War Two.

Carolyn: Right. Right.

John: that was his main thing. And theoretically what he’s saying is true! I mean, the fact that White people deserve their own countries, that there’s this very blatant anti-White, agenda that’s being advanced on every single White country. We’re being forced with all this mass immigration, forced multiculturalism, forced integration, all this anti-White propaganda, etc.

This is wrong, and our cause is totally legitimate. And is in no way related to, or tied to World War Two. That’s correct in theory, but that’s not the way it works in the real world, right?

[19:47]

Carolyn: Yeah, and everybody is familiar with that. You know, that is just a bunch of baloney, saying that. That’s fine for us to say, but nobody pays attention to it, as you just said, in the real world. So he kept saying:

“Well we can made this wonderful argument, that this is absurd what people are saying.”

To say what they call White supremacists, or just White identists, or White activists, are Nazis. That’s just so absurd on it’s face. That’s silly. And that’s not a good argument. First of all we can just ignore that, and just go on and do our thing whatever.

He doesn’t really have an answer to it. His whole answer to all of it, is to ignore it, in what he called in his article he wrote quite a number of years ago, that caused such a stir. He was using that phrase, “To step over it”. So we just “step over” the “Holocaust” and go on our way. And say it doesn’t have anything to do with us.

John: Right. But there’s no way to. I mean, theoretically you could, if you’re talking about it again from a theoretical perspective, …

Carolyn: Andrew Anglin countered that on that show, by saying that if we say we agree with everything Hitler said and did, which he does, you know, basically expects that people are going to do. If we agree with what Hitler did, we can’t then say that we have nothing to do with him. And he says that nobody’s going to fall for that. Nobody’s going to go along with that.

And Greg is saying, well he wouldn’t say that. He didn’t say those words, but that then leads him to trying to dismiss, get us away from Adolf Hitler’s National Socialism, too. Which he disagrees with. And that’s part of what the “New Right” is about, right?

John: Yeah. And from what I remember about the book, his main critique of the “Old Right” is that it was kind of brutal, and violent, and tyrannical. And I think that’s a totally distorted view of National Socialism.

Carolyn: Well it is. See now, that’s where the homosexuality comes in. That absolutely comes in there. He doesn’t like, … He was much more friendly toward Hitler and National Socialism, but he’s moved away from that, because he sees, or decided, or whatever, that this is over quite a number of years, that this is a government that could treat his group badly. And so therefore he rejects anything to do with fascism, you know, what we call fascism, or the Third Reich. He rejects it.

[Image] Heinrich Himmler talks of the problem with homosexuals in society. See: Heinrich Himmler on Homosexuality.

And to me, it’s because he’s afraid of the brutality, he’s afraid of the harshness. He doesn’t think that he could convince them that he’s a good guy and that they should leave him and his friends alone.

John: It’s almost as if he knows that he would be sort of excluded in a National Socialist type state, because he is a homosexual. And that’s kind of what motivates him. And that seems to be kind of the argument you’re making in your article. And I mean, it’s entirely valid. It certainly does seem to be sort of the case.

Carolyn: Well, I think that Greg has been so successful, financially, he takes in a lot of money. From the way I think, and the way you think, I’m pretty sure, as compared to how much money you have ever gotten, he gets a lot of money. I think he gets a lot from the homosexual community. Because, even though he was criticized for being homosexual, he wouldn’t admit to any of it. He published books by blatant homosexuals, like James O’Meara, who has been exposed on the Internet, cross-dressing, and doing a lot of weird things. Pictures and everything. And Jack Donovan, and he’s been very friendly, he was very friendly with him.

And I think he has a lot of writers. Although, I was looking at his site more recently, which I haven’t for a long time, and he’s got a lot of different people writing articles, there. I don’t know who they all are. But he had a lot of writers that I think, just from the sound of them, the way they wrote, what they wrote about, that I suspect they were homosexuals.

Now, your commenter, Tucker, thinks that I see homosexuals everywhere. I do, I guess, I may have a sensitively to them, because when I think that they are, I notice it. So, I just have my opinion, he depends a lot on the homosexual community, at least for money. And they send him a lot of money because he stands up and publishes their work, and so on.

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[Image] Some of the homo imagery featured in Counter-Currents in the last 12 months. Click image to enlarge.

And he also, I don’t know so much now, but back when I was making a study of it, I noticed and pointed out that he had constantly photographs, you know, he has a picture with every little post announcement on his site. Way outnumbered photographs of men with a lot of muscles showing, and not wearing very much. Old classic pictures, [chuckling] classic paintings, and sculptures, and so on. He supposedly deals in the classics, but there’s all these men, the kind of pictures that homosexuals would like looking at. Would really love looking at. So the whole thing just all fits together. And when he would say something like, you know, let me find something that he actually said:

“It’s foolish for us to attack the enemy at their best defended points, …”

We’re now into revisionism.

“… Because we can make a case for White identity and White interests that doesn’t depend on whether or not the Nazis got it right, or wrong.”

Things like I, …

John: But I think he’s so wrong about that! Because any time you make a pro-White case, it’s inevitably going to be tied into Hitler, the Nazis and the “Holocaust”. I mean, the jews have been so successful with this fake story, it’s totally discredited any form of White identity, and they pathologize it. And it’s instantly tied in with this!

Carolyn: Yeah. And that’s why he wants to distance himself from National Socialism, and Hitler, as much as possible. And he thinks, says, that will work. But then he also said in this podcast:

“There are many things I think the National Socialists did wrong. And I do think that their plans for the Slavic east were really genocidal.”

Then he said that Plan Ost, which is on the famous Wikipedia page, was a fabrication, as far as he can tell. But he still considers the “Holocaust” a genocide against jews! Now what really gets me, and because we don’t have forever I’m going to jump to it.

In his article on his website that he wrote about the debate, he said some interesting things, and then this Ermin, … What’s his first name? Vince Irmin*, or something, who he published his book. Who wrote a book about Hitler, a kind of a friendly book about Hitler, and Greg’s company published it. He wrote a comment and said he thought Anglin was right.

* Vinson Irmin, “Some Thoughts on Hitler and Other Essays”. Foreword by Kevin MacDonald, edited by Greg Johnson (2012). Click image to enlarge.

He said, Anglin was doing the right thing by, making fun of the “Holocaust” and so on. And Greg wrote a reply to him and he said:

“The ‘Holocaust’ is a great big pile of dead jews, not a normative claim* that jewish suffering is more important than non-jewish suffering.”

[* “Normative” statements/claims present an account of how the world should be. The word contains the stem ‘norm’: something that should be lived up to; or that should be pursued.]

Sorry, I left out that this Irmin said that:

“The whole meaning of the ‘Holocaust’ is not genocide, but that it’s a claim of jews that their suffering, during World War Two was vastly more significant than any other suffering in history.”

Comment exchange between Johnson and Irmin. Click images to enlarge.

A very good point, which you would agree with, I’m sure. That’s really what it’s all about. They are so jealous of anybody else having any claims to having, … Then that will come up when we talk about the Poles, and the Pole’s demands now for reparations, if we get a chance to do that.

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So, anyway, Greg answered that:

“The “Holocaust” is a great big pile of dead jews, not a normative claim that jewish suffering is more important than non-jews suffering. You can drop that moral absurdity, …”

Everything, he wants to call that way.

“But there’s still a great big pile of dead jews!”

John: But is there really Carolyn?

Carolyn: No!

John: No, there’s not. Exactly!

Carolyn: I mean what is a pile of, … The “Holocaust” has to be more than a pile of dead Jews! There’s piles of dead people of all kinds!

John: Exactly! There’s photos of piles of bodies that are presented to a very gullible traumatized public and were told:

“Oh! Hey look how evil the Nazis are! Look at all these dead people that died in these concentration camps!”

It’s never explained how these people died, what happened, what was going on at the time, there’s no context. It’s all very emotional and psychological exploitative propaganda, that is designed to instill and reinforce this fake narrative!

Carolyn: Right! And here is where I want to make the point that I made in the wrong place before, that he said that Andrew’s position — in this article he said this — Andrew’s position on the “Holocaust” boils down to:

“It never happened. But it should have.”

And he says this is completely indefensible. And I ask, what is “it”? Because I’m saying, my point I’m going to make here, is that you need to define what the “Holocaust” is. That’s why saying it’s a big pile of dead jews, doesn’t cut it!

And then Greg writes:

“First, to say it never happened is factually indefensible. No honest revisionist claims that the ‘Holocaust’ never happened.”

And then he says:

“Robert Faurisson, does claim this, but only by insisting on a particular definition. His argument is too clever by half, …”

[laughs] The pot calling the kettle black!

“… And cannot be taken seriously.”

Oh come on!

“Even if one grants every serious revisionist argument, what remains is ‘Holocaust’ enough for most people.”

Now this is just coming from that 2012, I think it was, long article titled, “Dealing with the “Holocaust” that he published at Occidental Observer. And MacDonald, turns out was totally in agreement with him and ends up coming out later with the very same arguments.

The Occidental Observer article (Jul 20, 2012) by Johnson titled “Dealing with the Holocaust“. Click image to enlarge. Note: the comments are not available to be viewed.

You know, the thing is Faurisson* is right. You have to have a definition for what you’re talking about! What is the “Holocaust”? You can’t talk about the “Holocaust” and then everybody talking about has a different idea what it is. And it’s just a big pile of dead jews, according to this very smart Ph. D., John! Who you say is such a smart man.

[* Robert Faurisson is one of Europe’s foremost Holocaust revisionist scholars]

Article (Aug 30, 2017) by Johnson on the “debate” with Andrew Anglin. Click image to enlarge.

John: No. I hear you. [Carolyn laughs] By the way, you’re referring to an article, and I’ve not read this article, I just found it on Counter hyphen Currents dot com. “My Conversation with Andrew Anglin”.

Carolyn: Right, right. I’ve got a link to it here.

John: I’ll link to that in this blog post, so people can go read what he has to say. It looks like it’s kind of his summary or concluding thoughts on his debate with Anglin.

Carolyn: Right.

John: One thing I wanted to ask you is, and Greg Johnson brought this up in the debate, he’s obviously not like an outright National Socialist, you know, he loves Hitler, etc. But, you know, he’s tries to be objective and fair and say:

“Oh well, the Nazis weren’t that bad, but they did do some things wrong.”

Carolyn, what exactly did Hitler and the Nazis do wrong? I’m trying to figure that out.

Carolyn: See, I don’t agree with that. He mentions that Operation Ost, or whatever it was called, they found some notes about it. There was kind of a plan, but they made all kinds of plans! That different people wrote out plans for the East when they took more control of it, and so on. That doesn’t mean they were ever carried [out], or they were going to be, quite in that way. And so there’s a whole lot made out of that. But then he admits that it’s a fabrication. But he thinks that still, he always says that the Nazis did things wrong. He said it in both the debate and in his article. But he can never really point out to what it is, but he thinks that they did exterminate jews! Now for him, that’s immoral.

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He doesn’t say, you know, he’s supposed to be anti-jew, but that’s immoral. Well others, revisionists, say they didn’t exterminate jews and there was never a plan. Now this brings us to the definition of the “Holocaust”, which you’re very aware of, and a lot of people are, but let’s just go over real quick.

As Michael Shermer wrote in 2000, and he’s a jewish “Holocaust” apologist. He says:

“When historians talk about the “Holocaust” what they mean, is that about six million jews were killed in an intentional and systematic fashion by the Nazis using a number of different means, including gas chambers.”

[Image] Michael Shermer’s book “Denying History” in which he gives a standard definition of what is the “Holocaust“. Click image to enlarge.

And then Michael Berenbaum and Deborah Lipstadt, said the same thing. So have many, many others. And that’s known to be what they insist on! The jews themselves insist on that, for the “Holocaust”. They don’t let’s you change that, take away from the six million, or say that there was no plan, or intention to kill the jews. And Deborah Lipstadt says; “they were intended to kill every jew in Europe“, and things like that, you know. They have no evidence for that.

And that’s why someone like Greg Johnson doesn’t want to bring that up. Because he knows it can be debunked. But, at the same time he wants to say that there was a “Holocaust” and the Nazis are responsible for it, and that’s why we don’t want to be associated with them, or call ourselves Nazis. That is not the reason. That is all.
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[Image] Carlo Mattogno’s book “Fail: Denying History” in which he gives Shermer’s book “Denying History” a good thrashing. Click image to enlarge.

John: And that’s what’s so bizarre to me with, how a guy like Greg Johnson, this very smart man, an academic, a Ph. D. Kevin MacDonald the same thing. Richard Spencer as well. He’s kind of always pooh-poohed revisionism. He doesn’t think it’s important and relevant, at least from what I’ve heard from him in the past, in conversations I’ve had with him.

Carolyn: They all do the same thing!

John: Yeah, they all think we can “step over it”. We don’t have to address it. We can ignore it. It’s not relevant, or related to our current, …

Carolyn: And you know, I also think, I don’t want to make a fuss here, but I also think that Richard Spencer is basically homosexual. And I think there’s a problem with, now of course, Kevin isn’t, but I think there’s a problem with having so many homosexuals in the White movement, as leaders. I think there’s a problem with that personally. So, I just thought I’d bring it up, because it comes up.

John: It always does. And to my knowledge Richard Spencer is not a homosexual. That’s all I’ll say about it. I don’t think that he is. From what I understand he is married and he has a child and everything.

Carolyn: You can do that.

John: My point is, … Right, yeah. Anyways, my point is that these guys, these very smart guys, always dismiss Revisionism. They don’t think it’s important. But what’s bizarre to me is that Revisionism itself is very, very well founded, from a scholarly perspective, from an academic perspective. I mean, all of the books that have been written debunking, scientifically debunking, the “Holocaust” in virtually every single regard, every single aspect of the official “Holocaust” narrative is not true. I can confidently say that at this point. None of it is true! It’s all propaganda! It’s all, just this fake narrative!

Carolyn: And these guys avoid that! They don’t talk about it!

John: Exactly!

Carolyn: They don’t talk about it at all, and then they just say:

“Well I’m not convinced it didn’t happen.”

What kind of thing? They don’t let themselves be convinced. They won’t read anything!

John: And Johnson even argued in the debate that it’s like, “over the heads of most people” and it’s “too difficult to go through all this information”. And it’s like, no! It’s not! I mean, if you just stop and think about it and break it down.

[Image] Holocaust Handbook Series — 1 of 4. Click image to enlarge.

As you were kind of explaining, the basic tenets of the official “Holocaust” narrative, are; six million jews, it was done in gas chambers, largely, and it was a systematic, coordinated plan, carried out by the Nazis. All three of those assertions are easily proven to be false!

I don’t understand, … It’s clear to me that they are just afraid of this topic! They’re avoiding it, because they think it’s bad PR. I think that’s really what it boils down to.

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Carolyn: I used to say that, but now I go further, and I’m pretty convinced that they don’t like Nazism. They don’t like Hitler. And I’ve given my reasons for why Greg doesn’t. But Kevin doesn’t, because he just never has. He likes Americanism. He thinks we need to be American. He doesn’t want to go there.

John: It’s too taboo I think, for MacDonald especially.

Carolyn: Yeah, yeah. I think with Kevin, he personally doesn’t like anything to do with Nazis. It personally turns him off. He doesn’t like uniforms, he doesn’t like the swastika, he doesn’t like any of that. The way they behave. I mean, he really sincerely doesn’t like it, but that means he’s not looking at it, as he supposedly looks at history, in an honest objective manner. He doesn’t want us to get involved with that. And so, that’s why they don’t want to reconstruct, or revisit the “Holocaust”, because if the “Holocaust” didn’t happen then Hitler might be rehabilitated! And that’s the one thing they don’t want. They want Hitler to be the bad guy.

John: Yeah.

Carolyn: You see, some of us don’t want that. So we’re really at odds here!

John: I totally, …

Carolyn: I can’t just ignore that and say:

“Oh well, that is okay, I still support you.”

Because, to me, what they’re doing is keeping us in this bondage to the jews. And they’re helping the jews! They don’t want to help the jews, but they think they can ignore the “Holocaust” and National Socialism, the Third Reich, and move ahead with White identity. And talking about where the jews are wrong and this won’t hurt anything. But all of them, are much more tolerant of jews as friends and in the movement then what I would be.

Richard Spencer was talking in that video I linked you in that comment I wrote, that he thinks that mixed race people can be in the White movement and if they’re mostly White they can certainly, you know, adjust if they really are for us. That we can just accept all these people.

That’s too lax for me.

John: Yep, I hear you. And by the way, the comments that you’re referring, and you mentioned Tucker who is a commenter on my website, this is from our last pod cast. So if you go back in the archives you find the most recent conversation I had with you, you can find all the comments there and kind of see what we’re talking about.

Carolyn: Yeah.

John: Yeah. I mean, to me it just doesn’t make any sense how these are obviously very smart, educated men, can just dismiss all of this scholarly research done into the “Holocaust”, by guys like Germar Rudolf, for example, who is himself a scientist and a Ph. D. Robert Faurisson and many others, countless others! Check out The Barnes Review dot org for all the most classic “Holocaust” revisionists books. They’re all for sale. They’re all worth purchasing and reading in my view.

[Image] Holocaust Handbook Series — 2 of 4. Click image to enlarge.

We’ve proven that this story is not true! We’ve proven it scientifically, we proven it from a very scholarly perspective. It’s really, in my view, not up for debate anymore. So it’s just a matter of these guys not taking the time to do the research, or just choosing to ignore this and downplay it! And you can’t! I mean, it’s very clear that you can’t! Try going, …

Carolyn: They don’t want that to be a part of their movement!

John: Right.

Carolyn: So to me, they’re dishonest about it. They won’t argue it. You know, they won’t talk, … They won’t say:

“Okay, I think this is wrong and this is why.”

They won’t argue those points. They don’t want to get into it. Because they don’t think they have a very good argument, so they just avoid it. And that I think is dishonest, and it’s not fair.

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Now I came across something else at Counter-Currents, just yesterday, written by Kevin MacDonald in 2016, September. One year ago posted there, titled “The Alt-Right and the jews”. And most of it was just the usual thing that Kevin talks about with the jewish influence and how it ruling in our societies, and so on. But then he got into a little more specific things, and he said, which others have said:

“I think it’s fine that some organizations and some Alt-Right figures do not discuss jewish issues.”

Well that’s OK, but then, a few sentences later he said:

“I would love it if there could be an Alt-Right mass movement with significant jewish support.”

And then he gives some reasons why that’s probably not going to happen and why it might not work out so well. But it shows that’s just a different attitude, that he would like to see Jewish support.

[Image] Kmac’s article, “The Alt-Right and the jews” with a couple of critical comments. Click image to enlarge.

John: It’s incredible! I mean, it’s a naive attitude to think:

“Oh, maybe jews will finally be objective, like us, and realize that our message is legitimate, and righteous, and honest!”

No! The jews are never going to admit this! At least not in large numbers. There might be a couple individual jews who would maybe support the idea of a White ethnostate or, sort of go along with our perspective. But overall, the jews have made very clear as a collective racial entity, that they are very, very, and blatantly hostile to our interests, and hostile to the future prospects of our race! And, in fact, are doing everything in their power to bring about our destruction! They make this very clear. So to me it’s very naive. I don’t understand it.

Like, just one day, we are going to finally convince the jews that we have a righteous cause?

Carolyn: If they want to have some jews who they think would see it, … And here’s what he said:

“That jews would see it in their interest that White societies continue to be healthy, because that’s in the jews interests as they live there.”

You know, they don’t want them to deteriorate into all these minorities, factions, and so on then. He’s still talking about jewish interests. So jews are doing it, because it’s best for them, not because it’s in the interest of White people! Not because they identify as White, but only that they want to live in White countries and get along all right for themselves.

So that’s a totally different thing! Yes, it is very naive and it’s very much academic, I guess. You praise these guys, because their Ph D.’s, and then this is an attitude that more academics tend to have. You know, I still respect Kevin MacDonald a great deal. I mean, I’ve always liked him, but I just think that this needs to be said. And I actually hope that more people would look at all this and make comments about it and think about it.

John: Sure.

Carolyn: I think it’s very harmful to what we’re trying to do.

John: I’ll just say publicly, I don’t know if Kevin MacDonald, or Greg Johnson, or Richard Spencer would even listen to this, but if they do and they’re interested in discussing this with me, I’d be more than happy to have them on. I’m sure most people listening [know that] I’m not like this very hostile interviewer. I want to hear them out. I would probably challenge them, obviously.

Carolyn: Well I don’t think they would.

John: I don’t think so.

Carolyn: I sincerely doubt very much, because they don’t want to have to explain themselves. That’s why they do it, the way they do.

John: Well, all I would say is, to a guy like him, Kevin MacDonald, or Greg Johnson, or Spencer, anybody else who kind of goes along with their line of thinking, that we can avoid this issue, “step over it” as Johnson argues, … If you really do think that, that’s fine I guess. I would just say don’t, to use an Alt-Right expression, don’t counter signal revisionists, people that are critically investigating the fake “Holocaust” narrative.

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There’s no need to! If you’re not interested in this topic, if you don’t think it’s important, then simply avoid it! But! Don’t accept the mainstream jewish narrative in any way! Just say:

“Hey look! It’s got nothing to do with what I’m saying. White people have rights. My pro-White ideas and views have nothing to do with Hitler, or Nazis, or the “Holocaust”. I don’t care about it! That happened seventy, eighty years ago. What I’m talking about is now!”

That’s all they have to do!

Carolyn: Right.

John: They don’t have to go along with the fake story, they don’t have to say:

“Oh well, Hitler did do some things wrong and jews were persecuted, and murdered.”

No! Just avoid it altogether! That to me is the best approach to take, if you are going to go along with Johnson, and MacDonald, and Spencer, and these other guys.

Carolyn: Well right. I said that in that article about MacDonald and his pod-casts, and it would be okay with me, if you just said:

“I don’t know anything about it. I haven’t studied it. I don’t like to talk about it, because I, have not studied the issue.”

And then that would be it. But instead, he did give some opinions. And then he made a silly comment:

“That I’ve never seen anything that convinced me.”

Well that’s just a dumb comment!

John: He’s not looking very hard then!

Carolyn: No! [laughing] No!

[Image] Revisionist “Holocaust” books. Click image to enlarge.

John: Because, I mean, Dr MacDonald, I’ll send you multiple books, … I mean, you can find this all out on the Internet! And see, that was another thing I wanted to bring up. Johnson kept arguing that to get our message across to people in a modern context, we don’t need to rehabilitate Hitler, or the Third Reich, or National Socialism, or anything like that.

I would disagree with that! I think that from an objective, truth-seeking perspective, it’s very clear that Hitler was a very righteous and honorable man! He was the greatest political statesman in modern Western history! I think you could say that, argue that very, very convincingly from a very objective, scholarly, perspective.

Carolyn: Yes. But you would have to have all your facts and figures at hand. That is not easy, but, yeah! Sure you could! Of course you could.

John: That’s true. And also I think that he still, …

Carolyn: Johnson says that, not because he knows that, or anything, but he says that, because he doesn’t want it! He doesn’t want it to be rehabilitated! Because he doesn’t want it to return.

John: Yeah.

Carolyn: In that way, that’s exactly what the jews don’t want. The jews don’t want Hitler to be rehabilitated more than they care about the “Holocaust”. The “Holocaust” is very important to them. But they don’t want Hitler to return or anything like that! So they’re in accord with that. And that’s why they want to keep the “Holocaust” in place, so they can say:

“Look! He’s responsible for this and we can’t have him. He was a bad guy!”

John: Right, exactly, yeah.

Carolyn: I’m sorry to say, they’re not coming from an honest place. They’re not coming from an honest, scholarly place. And in truth, the whole thing is that everybody comes from what they want to happen. It’s all about power! When you come down to it, history is all, who’s in power, and it’s not what’s true. You can find a lot about truth and what’s true and have different opinions. But in the overall, it’s who’s in power and that’s what it’s going to be.

So you have to change the power. And so someone like Andrew Anglin and his way dealing with that, I’m not saying he does it the best, but that way of dealing with it is in the end, it’s necessary. Because we agree, but we could talk with other people until we were blue in the face. And if they don’t want to change the way, their views of modern life are, they’re not going to go with it.

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John: Right. Well really, it’s all about who controls the narrative, and the jews have control of the narrative when it comes to pretty much every major issue of importance. All of the issues that really form our paradigms for how we understand the world, how we understand our history. It’s all a jewish narrative. It’s a jewish approved narrative that advances jewish interests and delegitimizes White interests. I mean, that’s what it’s all about. It’s about controlling the narrative. And what is sad to me is that we’ve made so much progress in countering that jewish narrative, that weaponized, jewish narrative. Certainly within the past, since I’ve been involved in this movement, anyways. I mean, think about “Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story Never Told”.

Carolyn: Right.

John: What a brilliant film! Very professionally done! Very, very powerful! Very, very moving! A great film, and it’s huge on YouTube. I mean, it’s been censored countless times. But I would venture to say that literally millions of people have seen that, and it has profoundly impacted them. It certainly did for me. And there’s many other documentaries, many other books that have been written, many other pod-casts. I mean, you’ve done a lot of work on this. I think you’ve played a huge role in rehabilitating the image of Hitler, and Nazis, and the WWII narrative, in general. And other people have as well.

Carolyn: Thank you.

John: And this work is so important! And we’ve made a lot of progress, we really have!

Carolyn: You’re right! I mean, that’s why we got to keep pushing! We’ve got to keep pushing it! I’m convinced of that now. That if I do anything, I’m going to just keep working on “Holocaust” revisionism, and also what I can do with Hitler. But mostly with this revisionism, because there is so much. I mean, it’s all been figured out, it’s all been debunked. It’s just a matter of getting people to pay attention.

[Image] Holocaust Handbook Series — 3 of 4. Click image to enlarge.

You know, I was talking to you about my nephew and what I noticed with him, he’s very open-minded, very nonjudgmental, willing to look at things. But he doesn’t care all that much. I can tell. I sent him some things to read and look at, and he did. And then he said:

“Well, what about this and that, …”

And he wasn’t completely convinced by it. Well, when I came to it I was, like, ready to be convinced. I mean, I wanted to be convinced, I admit that. I wanted it to not be true. Other people wanted it to be, so it was different. But he’s kind of like just, he’s more interested in the Constitution and things like that. So I’m not going to press it, but I did sent him the book, “Debating the Holocaust”, and he said he would read it.

But, you know, you can’t force this down people. It’s not really what they think is most important, so even if he was convinced to some degree, which would at least be nice, it doesn’t mean he would become like me. [laughs]

John: Right. That’s how the vast majority of people are. And that’s why controlling the narrative, controlling how information is presented, whether it’s through the media, whether it’s through our educational establishment, it’s so important. And the jew again, the jews have a total stranglehold over this! At least in the official channels. I think we’re chipping away at that and sort of eroding that. Certainly within the past ten years, or so.

But that’s really what it’s all about. Most people don’t care about World War Two! They don’t care about the “Holocaust”. They don’t care about Hitler.

Carolyn: No.

John: They’re just been taught all these truly false and highly weaponized narratives about this period of our history, and they just accept it. It doesn’t mean much to them, but that’s just what they know, what they’ve been taught. And they don’t really think about it.

So could you imagine, rather than watching Schindler’s List, in seventh grade, when we were in our English class, we’re watching, you know, “Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story Never Told”. Which is clearly much more objective and scholarly than any of these ridiculous “Holocaust” films.

Carolyn: Right.

John: And people would have a much different perspective, a much different outlook on everything! On life in general.

Carolyn: They would! Absolutely! That’s just absolutely true! So, this is where it’s at. It’s a tough battle, that’s what it is. But I just think, that when it comes to revisionism, if everybody in the White activist movement would get on board with it. And would talk in favor of it, it would make a big difference. I think it would, because lots of people just never mention it, that are influential. I just think it would be good, but obviously it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.

[60:19]

John: I completely agree with you. and I think that, again, more advice to people that kind of go along with Johnson, and MacDonald , and others. Look at this from strictly a free speech, freedom of expression, freedom of intellectual inquiry, think about it just from that perspective. I mean, we should be able to question the “Holocaust”! We should be able to critically examine it and to entertain other ideas, other perspectives about what really happened. Just that alone, I mean, just from a free speech perspective, …

Carolyn: Well, my nephew, …

John: You don’t have to agree with it, but you should be able to say:

“Hey look, I think the “Holocaust” really did happen! but if somebody wants to question it and do research into it, I fully support them in doing that.”

You know what I mean?

Carolyn: Yeah. my nephew did say, … He looked at all these great arguments and he was like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah.”

But then when I happened to bring up in passing, the laws against it in Europe, and how you couldn’t talk about it, you go to jail, he said:

“That’s one of the more convincing part of it, to me.”

Yeah!

John: Well, it is! It totally flies in the face of American traditions, you know, free speech, the First Amendment! It’s totally contrary to all that!

Carolyn: Yeah! Am I breaking up to you?

John: No.

Carolyn: Yours is breaking up to me, but maybe that doesn’t matter.

John: Okay. No. You’ve been crystal clear this entire time.

Carolyn: Okay.

John: Carolyn, I know we’re pretty much at the hour mark and we’re going to wrap up here in just a second. I just wanted to really emphasize the fact that this fake narrative, this fake “Holocaust” narrative, this hysterical, irrational, entirely unfounded, you know, demonization of Hitler and the Nazis. This narrative really is the bedrock of the entire New World Order agenda, the White genocide agenda, which are basically one and the same thing, right? This is so clear, so easy to demonstrate, that this is the case!

There’s a couple articles I just want to highlight and bring up here real quick. One of which was just published over at The Renegade Tribune, and it’s written by a man named, John Wear, who has actually contributed to The Barnes Review in the past, and I think The Barnes Review sells some of his books, if I’m not mistaken.

He wrote an article called “Why the Holocaust Story was Invented” and he lists a number of reasons that kind of explain the purpose of the fake “Holocaust” narrative. What agenda it’s advancing and, of course, the establishment of Israel, and the demonization of Germany, etc., There’s a number of arguments he makes. It’s very, very much worth reading. I don’t know if you caught that. I tweeted it out today.

I will also link it when I post, …

Carolyn: I read something by him, that maybe you sent to me?

John: It’s good, yeah.

Carolyn: I’m trying to remember it.

John: And this article this may be an older article, I’m not sure. I just saw it posted by Kyle Hunt at The Renegade Tribune. so it may be an article that John Wear wrote in the past, and he’s just reposting it. I know he does that often.

But it’s worth reading. it’s very good. I mean, …

Carolyn: Does he kind of hold off in certain areas, he’s not one hundred percent, or is this just in this thing I read? It seems like he was doing that. Maybe to be more acceptable, more convincing, or something? I don’t know. I can’t remember. I actually can’t remember exactly what it was. But would you say he kind of holds back a little bit, or not?

John: From what I can tell it doesn’t seem like that to me.

Carolyn: Okay.

John: I mean, maybe you wouldn’t be as forceful as we are when we talk about these subjects, but no, he seems pretty solid to me.

And this article is very good, it’s worth reading.

And then also, I wrote an article and, you know, I’ve been harping on this issue for a number of years. And this article goes back to April 26th of 2015. And it’s actually on my old blog, my old blogspot website, which amazingly is still up right now. If you go to it, it’s John Friends blog dot blogspot dot com. [johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com]

[65:00]

If you go to it, Google has that warning, you know, this is restricted content, or controversial content, or whatever. You have to click, “I understand and I Will Continue”. So they’re basically kind of censoring it. But anyways, you can still find it. And again I’ll link to this article as well.

And this article is titled, “Top jewish Leader Claims Entire Western World Culpable for the Holocau$t”*. And I just highlighted an article I found in the “Algemeine”, which is a jewish newspaper. Again, people who have followed my site know I highlight jewish newspapers and just what the jews actually say, just to expose their agenda and everything that they’re about. Because again, they openly admit these things and say exactly what they’re up to.

And this article in particular, I was highlighting, some comments that were made by Ron Lauder, who I believe still is the President of the World jewish Congress.

[* http:// johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/top-jewish-leader-claims-entire-western.html]

And this was right around the time of the, …

Carolyn: Whose name did you say?

John: Ron Lauder. Ronald Lauder.

Carolyn: Yeah.

John: Yeah, he’s a big time jew that is been involved in all this stuff for a long time. Anyways, he made a speech, this was at the seventieth anniversary of the liberation of Bergen-Belsen. And he’s basically arguing that literally the entire Western world is essentially responsible for the “Holocaust” happening. Because they didn’t do enough to help the jews!

And it’s just so incredible some of the statements that these jews make! You know, he’s demonizing the United States for, quote, unquote:

“Shutting it’s doors to jews that were trying to flee Europe. And no one was doing enough to help the poor jews in Europe, ” etc.,

It’s just, it’s so infuriating seeing what these jews say, and just how brazen they are!

Carolyn: They’ve got such balls, they are almost like, insane! It’s almost like they’re stupid! Because they come out with stuff like. It’s not going to be accepted. And it just reinforces the idea that Jewish deaths are more important than anybody else’s! If the whole world has to stop and be responsible for what happened here, for this huge number they came up with, this six million baloney! But I mean, sometimes they are talking to jews and they don’t think the rest of us are going to be paying any attention.

John: Yeah. That is true, and most people, …

Carolyn: But I can’t see how xxx jews would like that either?

John: And that’s the thing, most people don’t ever sit down and read jewish newspapers and jewish news outlets. Which is why I try to highlight them and say:

“Hey! Look these jews are saying this, not me! You can call me an anti-Semite, and a neo-Nazi and everything else, but all I’m doing is quoting jews themselves, OK? ”

Carolyn: Yeah.

It’s amazing the Jews are so important, that to say that the whole world, even to say all Europe and all Europeans are responsible for what happened to them! And then what? What does he say? What’s supposed to be done about it?

John: Well, unlimited money, unlimited sympathy, unlimited, just acquiescence to this jewish agenda to genocide our race.

Carolyn: Well, I think they want to pass laws against anti-semitism. I think that is what they’re after.

John: Yeah. Exactly.

Carolyn: And there’s nothing worse than that! To say:

“Oh yeah, it’s illegal! You’re going to go to jail if you express anything that we consider anti-semitic.”

And they’ve got a whole, … They’re working out what anti-semitism is. There’s a whole list of stuff. I mean, it’s all kinds of stuff! It includes criticizing Israel in various ways and so, you know, it just puts them totally, outside of anybody’s control in any way, shape, or form. And they can’t be harmed, nothing can happen to them in any way. So they’re not even responsible for obeying laws, or whatever.

So, they are just showing that they really do want extraordinary privileges.

John: Privilege! They talk about White privilege all the time! It’s really jewish privilege and [for] other minorities that they’ve elevated, and used as weapons against our race!

Yes no doubt! I mean, again it’s very clear if you just read what Jews have to say and listen to what they have to say.

[Image] Holocaust Handbook Series — 4 of 4. Click image to enlarge.

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Carolyn: I think sometimes we’re at war! That’s one thing that Hitler recognized. And people blame him for it, saying he shouldn’t have. This was a war and he couldn’t evade it. You have to go ahead and do it.

And we’re at war with these jews, and we can’t say:

“Oh well, let’s hope we can all get along! Let’s hope that some of them will be on our side.”

What? Five or six of them? [bursts out laughing]

John: Exactly! Exactly!

Carolyn: It’s just aversion for having to confront things. And of course for war, getting serious, … It’s no fun! It’s terrible! Of course we’d like to evade it! But sometimes you can’t, because you’re just going to be done in by it.

That’s probably one argument for what Hitler finally did about the jews in Germany. He went about it in such a mild way in the beginning! Just helping them out, you know, working with the Zionists that wanted to go somewhere else anyway. I don’t know, you know, … It built up, because of jews from around the world who didn’t want that to happen.

John: Yeah. Yeah again, and that’s what’s so incredible when you really have a good understanding of revisionism and all the research that’s been done to actually demonstrate that the Germans were not interested in killing jews, at all! They were interested in preserving their lives, because they wanted to use their labor in some of these labor camps.

Again, it’s like the total opposite of what we’ve been told. But again, the whole World War narrative is essentially the exact opposite of what we’ve been told!

But I wanted to also highlight one other article that I actually cite in this article that I mentioned. That’s on my blog. You can find you can find what I’m about to read there, and again I’ll link this when I post this program.

[Image] Ian Kagedan. Click image to enlarge.

There was an article written by a man named Ian Kagedan, I think is how you pronounce it. He was the former national director of the B’nai B’rth in Canada, and you wrote a very, very revealing op-ed in The Toronto Star, back in 1991. And the title of it is, get this Carolyn, I’m sure you’ve heard of this, “Memory of the Holocaust Central to New World Order”. That’s literally the title of the article, or of the op-ed.

“Central to New World Order“, right? I mean, this is the title of the article. It’s incredible! And he argues here, quote:

“The Holocau$t stands as Western civilizations greatest failure! It was a natural outcome of centuries of racism and of anti-Semitism. To deny the Holocau$t is to deny racism’s capacity to undercut our civilization’s basic values and to destroy democracy. Achieving our quest of a New [Jew] World Order depends on our learning the Holocau$t lessons.”

And what are the lessons of the “Holocaust”? I mean, again, this proves my point. The fake “Holocaust” narrative is literally the linchpin of the entire New World Order agenda! Which is simply a jewish plot to enslave the world, politically, economically and culturally, destroying all genuine national and racial distinctions in the process.

And the lessons of the “Holocaust”, which, of course, include “tolerance, diversity, anti-racism, multiculturalism”. The lessons of the “Holocaust” are specifically designed to erode, de-legitimizes and ultimately destroy any form of White racial identity, and to justify multiculturalism, and massive non-White immigration into the West. And to end all criticism of jews and the jewish state of Israel, and to equate it with anti-Semitism and hate speech. That’s what this is all about!

Carolyn: Yeah.

John: I mean, how could we avoid this Carolyn?

Carolyn: He makes it very clearly, doesn’t he? That’s a horrible picture! Total enslavement! You’re going to be programmed with this stuff and you’re going to believe it, or you’re on the outs. You’re somebody who’s bad, can’t exist in our societies. So you’d have to go into some bad place, or whatever.

And this is the kind of thing you have to fight! But these people will say:

“Oh! That is just that one guy. Nobody will ever fall for all that stuff!”

Well look at how much the world has fallen for it, now.

[75:13]

And I guess they can fall for the rest of it, if the media continues to be so controlled. I don’t want to bring this up, as I don’t want to take up any more time, but just to say real quickly, … Then there’s Trump, who is like somebody who’s, you know, standing against that, but he doesn’t have the power to overcome it. We all have to overcome it! We all have to do it. We have to say:

“God! We have to stop this!”

And that’s why people like, this is what I was going to say, but I couldn’t remember. Just this, that’s what people like MacDonald and Johnson are getting in the way of! They’re actually helping the jews in what they’re doing!

They need to be told this! They need to, … This needs to be pushed in their face, actually! I mean, rather than say:

“Oh well, we don’t want to say anything bad about them. We have to support them.”

John: Yeah, I completely with you. I would be willing to discuss this with any of them and make my opinions very clear. Not just opinions. Again, how could you, …

Carolyn: You know, I wish we could! John, here’s an idea. Somebody was talking about they’d like to have a debate with, … Mark. Mark Weber! You know Mark Weber, … Johnson got his ideas from Mark Weber, or Mark Weber helped him. Or maybe he didn’t mean to send him in that direction, altogether, but they got it from there. And they think that Mark Weber and David Irving gives them some support.

And MacDonald, I believe too, knows Mark Weber quite well. And they get those ideas from Mark Weber. And yet I just don’t think Mark Weber is so afraid of this, as they are.

Maybe we could get a conversation with Mark Weber? At one time Mark Weber wanted to talk on the phone with me, and discuss all these things. And I wouldn’t do it, because I was so in disagreement with him, and I though he was trying to make me see it his way. But I would talk to him now, but I would rather talk to him in public, on a public debate, a public forum, not necessarily a debate. And ask him some questions. I don’t know he’d be willing to do that, or not. But it just occurs to me that he might be more willing than MacDonald or Johnson would be.

John: Carolyn, I’m going to see if I can make that happen, because I actually know Mark Weber.

Carolyn: Good.

John: I’ll see what I can do on that front. Boy! that would be very, very interesting! [laughing]

Carolyn: Yeah!

John: Well. I’ll see what I can do. And I’ll certainly be in touch. We’re well past the hour now, but that’s okay, let’s go ahead and wrap up.

I just want to conclude by saying, I think from my perspective, which I think I could defend very well, … Objectively speaking, Hitler was in fact the greatest White leader in modern history! That’s very clear to me. I think we do need to rehabilitate his image, and I think we’ve done a good job at doing that, over the course of the past, say ten years, or whatever. Pro-White ideas and perspectives will always! Always! Always be tied to Hitler, to the Nazis, to the “Holocaust”! There’s no reason to avoid it, or to cower in fear about it! We are right! And we have the evidence and the proof to demonstrate that we’re right!

And, this is something we need to tackle head on! And if you don’t want to, if you disagree with me, don’t counter signal it! Just, avoid it! Step over it. Whatever you’ve got to do. But don’t accept this jewish nonsense about gas chambers, and jews were murdered in this and that.

[Image] Holocaust Myth Cartoon. Click image to enlarge.

It’s all bullshit! Everything the jews have to say about the “Holocaust” is utter bullshit! Designed specifically to advance jewish interests, and to delegitimize White racial interests! That is so clear, it’s so obvious, we should not even be debating this at this point.

That’s all I got to say Carolyn. Go ahead.

Carolyn: Well. I agree with you John! Good for you!

John: Thank you. [both laugh]

Well this has been fun, Carolyn. I’ll go ahead and post this up tonight, and I’ll see if I get Mark Weber to talk about this. That would be very interesting.

Carolyn: Good! Okay! Well, it’s been fun for me too! And so, I hope the listeners enjoy it. Thanks John.

John: Okay. Thank you very much! I will talk to you real soon.

Carolyn: Good.

John: All right. Good night.

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The Realist Report Interviews Monika Schaefer – May 2017 — TRANSCRIPT

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[ John Friend of The Realist Report interviews German-Canadian activist Monika Schaefer on her awakening to the destructive activities of organized jewry and its ongoing plan of genocide against Whites. Having spent her entire adult life involved in various environmental causes it was only in the last few years that she became aware that 9/11 was an “inside job” carried out by organized jewry.

One thing led to another, and she then became aware of revisionism and that the “Holocaust” is a diabolical hoax perpetrated by the usual suspects against Germans in particular and Whites in general.

She went public with her views in June 2016 with the release of a short video titled, “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust“. Despite being a prominent, well-respected individual of long-standing in the “Gingerbread Town” of Jasper, Alberta, she has faced social ostracism and a process of “ritual defamation” from leading members of the community — KATANA.]

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The Realist Report

On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined by Monika Schaefer, a courageous activist and truth-seeker openly exposing the fake Jewish “Holocaust” narrative and other extremely controversial topics. Monika’s brother, Alfred, was recently a guest on The Realist Report.

In this podcast, Monika and I discuss her background, education, and upbringing before moving on to address her awakening process to the lies endlessly promoted and perpetuated by the mainstream mass media, Hollywood, modern educational establishment and virtually all Western governments pertaining to the alleged Jewish “Holocaust” during WWII. Monika gives us her take on the fake “Holocaust” narrative and offers her perspective on Adolf Hitler and National Socialist Germany.

We also address a number of other important topics in this podcast, including the reality of Jewish power and influence in the Western world, the systematic promotion of policies designed to genocide the White race, 9/11 and the “Global War on Terror,” and related matters.

Check out Monika’s website and her great video Sorry Mom, I was wrong about the Holocaust:

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Monika Schaefer

Published on May 17, 2017

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[00:55]

John: All right folks, welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. The website is The Realist Report dot com, where you can find an extensive archive of these podcasts, as well as other radio broadcasts I’ve participated in. You can also find all of my articles and blog posts, a contact page with my personal email address, my Twitter feed — which is embedded on the right hand side of the website, and all sorts of other useful information and links. I am a regular reporter for American Free Press, America’s last real paper. And I also contribute to the Barnes Review, a bi-monthly history magazine, affiliated with American Free Press. Both publications are worth subscribing to and I highly encourage listeners to do so, if they are not already. Visit American Free Press dot net and Barnes Review dot org, for more details.

All right, with that said, I’d like to introduce my special guest this evening. Monika Schaefer is joining us for the very first time. Monika is a courageous activist and truth seeker who has openly and quite publicly challenged a number of taboo topics in modern Western society, including the fake jewish “Holocaust” narrative, which is endlessly promoted and perpetuated by the educational, media and political establishment, here in the West.

Monika, thank you so much for joining me! How are you this evening?

Monika: Hello John! Thank you so much for having me on! And I am doing very well, thank you, very much. And I honestly thank you for all the good work you do! Yeah, I’ve been listening to your podcasts for a while and reading some of your articles. And I think you do excellent work!

See here for the interview with Alfred Schaefer.

John: Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. And, you know, it’s funny I feel like I know you although we’ve never actually spoken. Maybe it’s, because I’ve interviewed your brother Alfred a couple times now, here on The Realist Report? And I’ve seen some of your video, a couple which we’ll talk about in this podcast. Yes, but I don’t know, I just have this strange feeling that somehow we know each other but, I know we actually don’t. So, it’s great for you to finally be here and, you know, we can kind of get to know each other in real life I guess, or at least over the Internet, as best we can.

Monika: Yes, and I had that sensation too! Yes, that’s right, just from listening to your talk with a number of people and so, it does feel like we know each other probably, because we’re on the same page on a lot of these issues, I think.

John: Yes, I think so. And your brother’s always great talking to. I actually recently interviewed him just a couple of weeks ago. And we dealt with a number of topics that I’m sure we’ll be getting into, in this podcast. So I guess, just to get started, could you tell us a little bit about your background, your education and your upbringing. And perhaps, maybe your professional experience, if you feel that is relevant. Let’s kind of start there, just kind of introduce yourself, please.

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Monika: Sure. I grew up in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada and my parents came from Germany in the early 50’s. And I was born in 1959, the fourth in a family of five children. And we grew up in a very, I would say, traditional German household, you know, the way we celebrated certain times of year, in a very German style. Like Christmas we had the real candles on the tree and that kind of thing.

And something that I really feel, that affected us deeply was our parents’ love of nature. Even though we grew up in the city we were very, very connected to the natural world. We had a huge vegetable garden always, and we put great value on going for walks, like as a family. We would go for walks in the river valley and just really appreciate nature. That went very, very deep.

Transcripts of Red Ice Radio’s interview are here: Part I and Part II

And yeah, as I was growing up, learning in school, the usual things that we were learning in those days, in the sixties and seventies. And I had, like Germar Rudolf — and you interviewed him recently — and he talks about his very developed sense of justice. I could relate to that when he spoke of that. I feel that applies to me, too. I started to become an activist in environmental things and social justice things, very, very early in my life. Like during my teen years. And then all through my adult life I was very much an activist. And it was always on environmental things and also peace issues.

But, I have to say it wasn’t until about 2011, I started to really understand how the world was working. But before that, I’ll just talk a little bit about my activism. I actually did get involved in politics. I ran as a candidate for the Green Party of Alberta first and then the Green Party of Canada, in several elections. I just felt that the Green Party was the one political party whose principles and values meshed with my own!

But that has now changed drastically! In fact, Elizabeth May, the leader of the Green Party Canada, she did a very public condemnation of me last summer, after my video! And this is why we’re talking today, you and I, on this podcast. The video that I created, and my brother produced it, is called, “Sorry Mom I was Wrong About the Holocaust”. And it’s a very short video, under six minutes. And in it I basically tell the world that the “Holocaust” is a lie! And that unleashed a set of events in my life that basically has changed my life! [laughing]

Elizabeth May’s betrayal of her stated “principles” (click image to enlarge)

John: Yes, I can only imagine. You know, real quick, I hate to interject, but let me just make two brief comments. Number one, I actually have never interviewed Germar Rudolf.

Monika: Oh!

John: Although I would love to, I would really like to. I just, I never have. I’ve heard him be interviewed a number of times. I know he’s been on Dr David Duke’s program every once in a while. I’ve also heard him interviewed on Jeff Rense’s radio program I believe, and Red Ice Radio.

Monika: It was the Red Ice Radio.

John: Yeah OK.

Monika: I mean, you know, I was mixed up John.

John: No, no, it’s totally fine. I just wanted to state that for the record. I’ve never interviewed him although I would love to. I think we’d have a great conversation, he’s really, I mean, the expert when it comes to the “Holocaust”.

One other comment I wanted to make; you had said how you, ever since you were a child really, and it’s probably a result of your upbringing, but also maybe something innate in you. You have this very, deep sense of truth and justice, and you just sort of want what’s right. And want to pursue the truth wherever it leads. And that’s exactly the type of person that I am! It’s maybe hasn’t been the wisest thing to do, considering the world we live in. But it’s just something that I just have to do.

Again I think it’s something that is innate in myself, in maybe certain other people, like yourself. Do you think that this is something that’s maybe more prevalent in certain people, or something that’s kind of instilled, or innate again in certain people, rather than others?

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Monika: Oh my goodness, that’s a big question! I think a lot of people have this sense of justice and wanting to do what’s right. Perhaps some of that gets, I don’t know, squelched out of us. Maybe it’s in our education system and it’s a very demoralizing education system that we have. And there are certain things that create, well, or work towards “anti-creative zombism” if you want to call it that, in our education system. That maybe kicked that out of us? But anyway, … I think a lot of people power have it but we are fed wrong information, then we can’t even seek justice. We don’t know what justice is!

And so, psychological warfare is something that I do want to talk about. And that is the most dangerous weapon being used against us and that can ruined any, you know, sense that we can seek justice. People can still have that desire for who are doing what’s right and doing what’s just.

But what I’m experiencing, for example, in this “ritual defamation” that’s being done against me, is that probably a lot of people who are treating me very badly, think that they are doing the right thing! Some of them probably know very well that they are not and that they are actually, you know, deceivers and liars, but I think a lot of the people just get swept along, thinking that they are being righteous, when they are treating me badly, because I have done a “taboo” thing and that is, I have challenged this story, the “Holocaust” myth.

Elements of a Ritual Defamation (click image to enlarge in new window)

John: Yeah, I think so. And I think certainly our modern hyper-capitalistic, hyper-individualistic society, you know, it doesn’t reward this sort of behavior this sort of sense of honor and truth and justice. You’re not going to get very far if you’re this type of person, at least it seems like it. The system is kind of designed that way, any ways. There certainly are exceptions and it’s not impossible to operate in a system and still have this sense of truth and justice. But it does make things very challenging. And so, that’s one point.

Then also, I think you’re right as far as, you know, sort of psychological warfare is concerned. I think there is an attack on our minds and really, you know, the way the media works and the way the educational system works. It’s designed to attack this and to undermine this. And it’s very sad! It’s very, very harmful, it’s been very detrimental to our society, certainly.

Monika: Absolutely! I mean, I think that the teachers in the schools, when they are teaching wrong things to the children, the teachers just don’t know that. They are also indoctrinated and mind contaminated by the books that they have read and by the education they received. So it’s generation after generation that gets deceived. But that is the worst weapon of all, because what happens is we become agents of our own destruction.

And that is something that is written in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That the “goy” will become, “agents of their own destruction”. And that is just the most tragic aspect of all of this! It’s a much worse enemy to have, you know, psychological warfare and the “chameleon within the gate”. You know, that is destroying us, within our own societies by giving the wrong curriculum and bad curriculum and teaching the wrong things to the children. Teaching lies, basically. That’s a much more dangerous enemy then the enemy comes with the cannons or the guns and the open warfare. I mean, that might be destructive in the moment and it might lead to the death of people and destruction of places, however, people can recover from that.

Now with psychological warfare, that’s difficult, really. Can we recover from that when we have been so misled and contaminated and our minds have been polluted and our spirits have been crushed?

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John: Indeed. That is very well said. You’re totally right about that.

And the last part I did, I spoke with Pete Papaherakles, and we were talking about the “Trivium” of education. And, you know, basic logic and critical thinking. And sadly our society these days, people just really don’t know how to use their brain. They don’t know how to evaluate information. They don’t know how to discover what the truth actually is. And that’s really a big problem! It’s that, you know, you try to talk about a subject like the “Holocaust”, for example, and you just ask someone, … And this is what I do regularly, you know, when this comes up, like in a personal conversation, or like, if I’m talking to a friend, or something, I’ll just say:

“Why do you believe the ‘Holocaust’ narrative”?

I mean, what evidence and proof is there to demonstrate that this actually happened? Let’s examine that evidence and see if it stands up to scrutiny. And, you know, it’s very difficult for people to do these, like simple things. And I think there’s reasons for that. I think, you know, most people again, simply really don’t know how to think critically and use their brain to evaluate information.

But also, I think a lot of the, … Certainly when it comes to the “Holocaust”, but also other very traumatic events, game changing events in our history, but especially the “Holocaust”, the propaganda used to promote, to perpetuate this myth, is very exploitative. And it really is a form of psychological warfare, you know, again another topic we can talk about, and a topic that I spoke with your brother about.

The Trivium Method Summary Chart (click image to enlarge)

So I mean, I think there’s multiple factors at play here, but those are really the two main ones. As you know, most people simply just don’t know how to properly use their brain, to use the “Trivium”, to use critical thinking. And also the propaganda associated with a lot of these events is systematically designed to exploit us on very base emotional and psychological levels.

Monika: Yes! You’re hit the nail on the head. So it not only are people not able to use logic, but this subject is absolutely taboo to even question. So, I’ve had people tell me, even if they were trying to remain friendly to me, they would say:

“Well Monika, this topic is it just off-limits! I’m not going to discuss the ‘Holocaust’ with you! I’m not going to debate it with you! But I’ll still, you know, be your friend.”

But I mean, those people, they kind of go by the way side anyway. They’ve been more and more affected in this small town of 5,000 people. It has gotten worse, not better, over the year. But this topic is, … You just cannot debate it! Because we’ve been trained that if you even question it, then you are automatically “a hater”!

I mean, this is bizarre! There is no logic in that, John! Like, how can that even make sense, that if you say that there was no deliberate extermination plan, and that means less people died, that you are a hater! ? Now to me, that is the most bizarre leap of logic, you know? Can you explain that?

John: No you can’t explain it logically, because it’s not a logical argument. It’s a ridiculous argument and there’s no logic involved at all. It’s all pure emotion, all emotion.

Monika: Yes, that’s right.

John: And that’s the thing, that especially the holocaust. But I mean, other events as well, 9/11, for example. Although I do think that the fake “Holocaust” narrative and, you know, World War Two generally, you know, this idea that Hitler was this evil monster, who wanted to take over the world. And he had, you know, his master race and all this other nonsense. This is really, you know, sort of the most taboo and most controversial topic in all of society.

And, of course, it relates directly to jews, so if you start talking about Jews your equated with Hitler, you’re equated with the Nazis and you’re a racist, you’re anti-Semitic and all these other weaponized buzzwords are thrown at you. Again, logical fallacies, all of them! You know, none of this is factual.

Monika: All of it!

John: Yeah, exactly!

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Monika: It’s the biggest weapon yet! I mean, if it wasn’t for this success this big, huge, mess of the “Holocaust”, there’s no way they would have had the audacity to do something like 9/11.

And 9/11, I mean, that was actually what triggered me to wake up! And it didn’t happen right away. I kind of knew something was wrong with it, but it wasn’t until about ten years after 9/11, that I started to investigate it and figure it out. And that was a really hard door to go through, because it just meant that, they’re lying to us! Like that’s a huge thing to lie about, right?

That’s not just a little money scandal. I mean, you always hear about little scandals, this and that, that seem big when they talk about them, like political scandals. But, you always just think, okay, well, they have corruption in this and that, but you just can’t imagine they would lie about something so big. But once you figure that out, that turns your world upside down!

Organized jewry Did 911

And it was after that, that I started to figure out the “Holocaust”. And at first I really resisted it. I mean, that just, how could there be such a big lie? How could that be?

And just to go back to what I briefly said in my video. It was an apology to my parents. To my mother in particular. Because when I was a teenager, and again this comes back to this deep sense of justice that I had, and we were learning all those horrors about Hitler and the “Holocaust”. And so, there I was, telling my mother, saying things like:

“Mom, why didn’t you stop this from happening? If you had just got together with all your friends and your relatives, you could have done something about it!”

I mean, that was ridiculous, to say such a thing! But there I was, holding her to account, you know, she was culpable! And I’m sure that there was a whole generation of us that, you know, it caused a real generation gap. A rift between the generations of Germans. That, oh! These parents of ours, or the grandparents, oh, they were monsters, you know! Like this what happened.

And so, there I was, reprimanding, or holding her to account for not having tried to do more! I mean, she was just a teenager in a war anyway, so that was pretty ridiculous just on that count. And then all these years later, and this is after both parents have died, that I figured it all out and I just regretted that so much! And I told Alfred one day on the phone, I said:

“Boy, I wish I could say sorry!”

And he just grabbed onto that and said:

“Oh! Yes! That’s very significant!”

Yes, so then, …

John: “That’s the video we’re making right there! Do it!”

Monika: Yeah, exactly!

John: Well, you know, speaking of your video. At least on Alfred’s channel, I don’t know if this is, I’m sure it’s been viewed on other channels. I’m sure you can find this exact same video on other channels. But just on his channel alone, it’s been viewed over 130,000 times! So this has made quite an impact. And this was, June 17th, 2016. So, a little under a year ago.

And it’s a short, very powerful video. I’d assume most people listening to this podcast have seen the video, but if you haven’t, I will have a link to it. In fact, I just embed it in this post, you’ll find it right on my website. It’s six minutes total, just under six minutes. Take the time to watch it. It’s very good, it’s very powerful, it’s very just straightforward and like, look “Sorry Mom, I was wrong and here’s why. And here’s why it’s important!” And it’s very good. And yeah I just really like this video, especially when it first came out. And again, it made quite a splash, you know, all these waves, …

Monika: Yeah, It struck a chord John, because there are other people who went through that similar experience. Like what I said, that they were disgusted with their parents’ generation. Which is just such a sad thing that has been done to the German people.

Okay, about the video, you mentioned, that this is just on Alfred’s site. You’re right there’s a lot more views even then that. Because I made a German version, an original German version, I speak German fluently. So that is called, “Entschuldigung Mama, ich hatte Unrecht was den Holocaust betrifft” in case you have German listeners. So you could look that up too.

And then also the English version was translated into three languages, within the first four days. Not that we did this, others did this. So, French Spanish and Swedish, I believe. And then these people sent us the links to those at the time. People are just kind of, … Like I say, it really struck a chord. It was just brief, it’s short, so it’s easy to watch and this thing, you know, about the parents and just saying sorry to Mom, you know, reprimanding her for not doing anything to stop these things! And then figuring out it’s all a lie! Oh my goodness!

John: Now, I’m curious. There’s quite a substantial population of Germans in Canada, correct? That came over right after the war?

[25:02]

Monika: Definitely! Yes. Lots of Germans in Canada.

John: I’d imagine, maybe even more so, than that came here to America. I don’t know that for sure, but it seems like there’s quite a few that came over directly after the war?

Monika: Yes. Yes and through the fifty’s too. When my parents came I think there were a lot of people coming from Germany. And my parents came in 1951 and 52, respectively. Yes, I think that’s a lot of people left Germany. I mean, Germany was destroyed and also you had the expellees from the eastern territories. The eastern, you know, like Sudentenland, East Prussia. All these different territories that were German for hundreds of years and then, you know, Germany got shrunk after World War One. And World War One led directly to World War Two. These are things have learning a lot about now. I’m really going on a big education, a big learning curve. And I met some of those expellees, people who were forcibly expelled. And this is a story that we certainly did not learn about in school. I think probably a lot of your listeners do understand about this, but millions of Germans died AFTER World War Two was over!

German territory lost in the 20th century (click image to enlarge).

And many of them died as they were being pushed out of those eastern territories. And many were murdered, many starved, many women and girls, you know, many young girls up to old women were raped. It was brutal what they went through. And I met a few German expellees who were children at the time — when I went to Toronto last summer to speak there — and I have to say that was just so impacting on me. I mean, it was a very impactful experience for me to meet these people!

John: Right, I can imagine. Now, of course, you had mentioned you guys weren’t really taught anything like this. This perspective, the German perspective of World War Two? I’m assuming anyways, when you’re growing up in Canada, your parents didn’t talk about it?

Monika: Well, there were some things that my parents did talk about, but I don’t remember the stories of expellees. But what my mother did talk about, over and over again, was Dresden. She wasn’t there, but she knew all about it. And Dresden was the real “Holocaust”! The “Holocaust” of German civilians, women, children and injured soldiers there in hospitals. And also war refugees. The city had no military installations. It had no military targets there. And it had the most beautiful architecture!

And actually the German people started to believe that, oh, nobody would ever bomb the city! And it was there for most of the war. But then in February 1945, February 13th, I believe, it started, or maybe it started on the 11th, I’m not sure now [The bombing started at 10:14 pm, on Tuesday the 13th] . The bombing began and it was incendiary bombing. It was purposely to start fires. And many, many, many people died there! And then they paused [the bombing] and then people, as they were coming out of, you know, the bunkers and whatnot, if they survived at all, they were getting stuck in the molten pavement. And then the bombing started again. It was just brutal! It was pure and utter revenge and hate from the allies! And they knew this city was full of refugees and women and children, and that it was there was no military there.

John: Right.

Monika: It was absolutely a crime! And crime against humanity! And, of course, there were other cities as well which were bombed like that too. But Dresden is the one that my mother talked about when we were growing up. And yeah, I didn’t learn about the people who were expelled.

John: Well Monika, as you know, “Germany had to perish!” Which is actually the title of a book.

Monika: Yes.

John: Written by a jew! This is the thing that’s so amazing! When I was really getting into this information, it became more and more clear, the more research that I did that literally the entire official narrative of World War Two is truly the exact opposite.

Monika: Absolutely!

John: I mean, it’s very easy to demonstrate this. I mean, we have multiple sources of jewish individuals in America, in Russia, literally calling for the extermination, the annihilation, the genocide of the German nation. The destruction of the German nation, of the German people! Openly calling for this! In books they wrote, in policy papers that they, you know, put in front of governments and have them implement essentially. In propaganda, I mean, you name it, we can go on and on. There’s many sources that demonstrate this.

Monika: Yes.

John: And yet, you can’t find one single legitimate source demonstrating that Hitler, or the National Socialist government wanted to, let alone, implement it, a systematic plan to exterminate, to murder European jews! It’s just not even true at all! There’s nothing to substantiate it, aside from jewish propaganda, jewish lies.

[30:50]

Monika: Yes, that’s exactly right! Everything has been turned on it’s head! I mean, in the beginning when I was starting my learning about all of this, you know, I realized some things were upside down and turned on their head but, you know, people would say, “Yeah, everything’s on it’s head!” And I would say, well maybe that’s just a figure of speech. But it really is that way! The more I learn, the more I realize that everything is on it’s head, upside down, inverted!

But thank you for bringing up that, “Germany Must Perish” book by Theodor Kaufman. He wrote that in 1941. And it literally is a genocidal plan, where all the German people should be wiped off the face of this earth! And supposedly through a humane method of forced sterilization. Now, why I wanted to bring this up, and thank you for already bringing it into the conversation, is that I wanted to talk briefly about Arthur Topham.

Now Arthur Topham is now silenced by law! He has been sentenced after a ten-year ordeal with the criminal justice system in Canada for this spurious hate speech, under these “hate speech” laws in the Criminal Code of Canada. And he had a website called, “The Radical Press”. And it actually started out as a paper, a hard copy magazine in the late 90’s and then he went online. And it went only online for a number of years. And he it was dragged through the court system for ten years. And it was just utter harassment and basically jews who didn’t like the things that he was exposing. The truth that he was talking about and the lies that he was exposing.

Now he ended up getting convicted by a jury. Guilty on one charge and not guilty on the identical charge, but for a different time period, for publishings on his website. And in Canada the jury cannot divulge what exactly was the rationale for the guilty verdict.

But, we can surmise that it was for the parody that Arthur Topham did, called, “Israel Must Perish”. But this was not his words. What he did, is he took the book “Germany Must Perish” and he took a section of that and he duplicated it, word for word. But, he replaced the title, the word “Germany” with “Israel” and replaced “Germans” with “jews”. And basically this was drawing attention to the genocidal original book “Germany Must Perish”.

And he did make it clear that this was a satire, that the books were side by side on his website. And there was a preface that talked about satire. And this was all explained in the court. I was there for part of it, and evidently the jury was overwhelmed by, I guess, the indoctrination that we’ve all been subject to and this was all just too much for them. But he was found guilty.

Now, what I really want to tell your listeners and just make sure that this is clarified, is the lies that they now tell about Arthur Topham in the press, when he cannot defend himself. Because if he did, he would go straight into jail. He’s now on, basically house arrest. So he’s not in jail, even though he’s been sentenced. But part of the sentencing is that the website came down and he’s not allowed to speak publicly. So, when they say lies about him, for example, that they will say that Arthur Topham calls for the sterilization of jews. But [because] they don’t put it into context of this parody, this satire of “Germany Must Perish”, then that is a lie! That is an outright lie! And I want to set the record right here!

[35:16]

John: You know, I’m glad you have been able to do that, because as you mentioned Arthur can’t even speak for himself. It’s ridiculous!

Monika: Exactly! So anyway thank you for the opportunity to set that straight that, you know, here they are lying about Arthur Topham when he can’t even speak in public. And they darn well know that, so it’s just absolutely malicious!

John: It truly is. And speaking of malicious activities carried out by governments against truth seekers, like Ernst Zundel, I just wrote an article for American Free Press, and it should be published — let’s see today is Wednesday — it should be published in this week’s edition. So, I think they publish on Friday, Friday morning. So it should be in the upcoming edition of American Free Press. And it’s about Ernst Zundel. Who, I’m sure you’re familiar with?

Monika: Absolutely!

John: Right. Yeah, he lived in Canada for a number of years. I’m sure most people listening here are familiar with Ernst Zundel. If you’re not, simply Google the man. He’s a legend, he’s a hero. He’s been through a lot..

Monika: Yeah, in fact, one of those three videos at the end of my six-minute video, I put three recommendations to the listener. Just, you know, I thought, OK I’ll just give the listener something that if this is all really blowing their mind, and they want to know where am I coming from, and I give three titles of videos. The first one is called, “Off Your Knees Germany!” And it’s Ernst Zundel. The story of what he went through in the courts. And it was one of the first things that kind of caught me turning my mind around the “Holocaust” story, was watching that video. It’s ninety minutes long, so an hour and a half. And I would say, you know, it’s going to be a very, very worthwhile ninety minutes.

Video: Off Your Knees Germany!

John: Right. Oh yeah, I’ve seen it. It’s great, I think I’ve watched all of the, you know, major documentaries that they put together. And they are certainly worth watching, for sure! Very eye-opening, very revealing, very informative.

And I mean, if you’re not outraged after seeing those and just understanding what they’ve gone through, you know, what Arthur Topham has gone through, what many people have gone through. People are being persecuted all over the world for challenging the fake “Holocaust” narrative! That’s absolutely ridiculous!

But speaking of Zundel, the article that I wrote was about how he was just denied entry into the United States. Was deemed inadmissible! By the United States federal government. In particular I think it was the Office of Appeals, I believe, of the Department of Homeland Security. And they cited his revisionist activities, his educational activities, his political views. Which are all very well documented and very scholarly sourced and entirely legitimate perspectives that he’s offering. And yet, he’s deemed inadmissible. Meanwhile, we have millions of illegal aliens overrunning our country. Our government is systematically facilitating refugee resettlement of people we don’t even know who the hell they are! You know, just washed up on our shores and we’re supposed to give them free everything. Free housing, free, you know, education, free health care, welfare, you name it, it’s I mean, it’s so incredible what is going on! It’s like I can’t even comprehend it sometimes.

The Washington Post: Ernst Zundel Barred from the US.

Monika: Yeah. Well, there we see the agenda of who is actually running the country. I mean, I think it was Ariel Sharon, or was it, you know, basically just said:

“Don’t worry about what Americans think about this, or that, that we are doing. We run America and they know it!”

John: Yes.

Monika: Anyway, [about] Ernst Zundel being kept out, are they actually citing his political views? Because it’s not six case then, that’s the end of the First Amendment. And then [word unclear] in the United States, freedom of speech, is it not? I think that it’s incredibly, like it’s very scary, if that’s what’s going on. The United States was still kind of, you know, we’re looking to you guys down there for keeping some semblance of being able to speak freely still. But, you know, this is really, really bad. Somebody being kept out for their political views.

[40:03]

John: Yeah. Absolutely! Yeah and like this is basically openly admitted in the ruling that they released. And it’s interesting, because this was reported on by The Washington Post, back in April, almost a month ago. And in the appeal here it was essentially, he was denied entry and then they were determining if they could grant him a waiver. Which they did not. They ended up denying even a waiver. I mean it’s amazing. His wife is American. Ingrid is an American citizen and has been living here for a very long time. She lives in Seattle, I believe.

Monika: Yes. She can’t go to Germany, because she would be thrown in jail immediately there. And he can’t come to the States. So they end up going elsewhere to meet, you know. It’s really, really sad!

John: I mean, it’s very, very sad, absolutely tragic. In the ruling here they say, you know, when they go to deny the waiver, the negative factors in his case include his long history of inciting racial, ethnic, and religious hatred. It also goes on to say the record shows that the applicant, Zundel, is a historical revisionist and denier of the “Holocaust”! Distributing writings, books, tapes, videos, and broadcasts to promote his views. The record further indicates that these publications agitated for aggressive behavior against jews!

Monika: Oh my goodness!

John: Right, yeah. All of these, I mean, it’s true that he absolutely was a historical revisionist and “Holocaust denier”, I guess. I don’t really like to use that label.

Monika: Neither do I. So that basically says:

“Oh! That’s illegal in the United States!”

John: Right. Now get this. They also say this the applicant has been a leader in these activities for decades. Which is true. And has shown no regret, or remorse for his actions!

Monika: Of course, not!

John: Exactly. That’s a thing. It’s like:

“Oh maybe, perhaps, if he were to bow down to the jews, beg for forgiveness, renounce his views, say the “Holocaust” is true.”

Maybe, just maybe they would let him back in. But no. It’s so outrageous!

Monika: The thing with the laws, this is the part I am absolutely dumbfounded that people don’t wake up to this absurdity! That if there are laws to restrict you from saying certain things, then doesn’t that raise a red flag for people? Doesn’t that show them that there’s something to hide? That maybe there’s something that they’re lying about?

But no, that really gets me. I think that alone should tell people that there’s something wrong with the official story. You know, it’s exactly the opposite for some people. Because when I raise this issue about the laws, it’s incredible that some people will say:

“Well you see? See, you’re wrong! The laws prove it! You’re wrong!”

Now isn’t that bizarre? That’s kind of a circular thing, … I mean, you could make any kind of a law, like, “stop breathing” and then if you breathe:

“Oh! See! We’d better throw you in jail! You just broke the law!”

I mean, it is just that absurd!

John: I mean, I agree. It’s totally is, it’s ridiculous!

You know, Monika, I wanted to get back, … I wanted to talk about, basically, what led you to start questioning the “Holocaust”? And kind of like, your wake up process, so to speak, and maybe you could describe like some other topics that maybe you researched, or what led you to start questioning, you know, doing research into the fake “Holocaust” narrative?

Monika: Well, I have to credit my brother for basically introducing me to this notion and this idea. And so I was visiting over there [Germany] and I think, 2013, Christmas time. And this was, you know, already a couple of years after figuring out 9/11 and what a lie we have been told about that.

John: So, is it fair to say that 9/11 was like your big, sort of wake up call? What led you to question everything?

Monika: Yes.

John: Okay, and that’s exactly how I was. I mean, before I was really getting into 9/11 I was very anti-war and I totally recognized how corrupt the government was, how corrupt the media was. I knew we were being lied to. I was sort of aware of these sort of broader systemic issues. How corrupt everything was. I just didn’t really understand the extent of it. How deep it actually went and I certainly didn’t understand who was truly behind it all.

Monika: Exactly!

[45:00]

John: And once I woke up to 9/11, … Yeah and that’s seems like that’s pretty common for a lot of people. They start questioning 9/11 and then everything opens up to them.

Monika: Yes. No, that is interesting, that’s interesting about that John. And there are definitely a lot of people for whom 9/11 was that door that they first went through and then started uncovering these other truths. But, you know, in this journey of mine over this past year, many people have contacted me from all over the place and so I’ve struck up some dialogues with a lot of different people. And what has surprised me is that for quite a few people, other things woke them up.

Like, for example, some people who started learning all about our financial system and how deep and corrupt that was, because of things that happened in their personal lives that, you know, they got basically the bad end of a deal. And then they started digging and looking into that. And for others it was actually the topic of just why is everything against White people? And this is sort of the taboo subject that we could get into, but for me that was not a starting point at all. It is now what I’ve kind of come to understand is that, oh, this end goal is to basically get rid of us and replace us.

John: Right, right!

Monika: And, oh my goodness that didn’t come into my realization until well after I started figuring out all these other things. The “Holocaust” is the ultimate weapon to use against us. Because you see, there’s this thing that people will have this weird logic that says, oh well, if you are denying that this “Holocaust” happened, then the next thing that happens is you’re going to just want to kill everybody! Like you’re going to do a “Holocaust” again, or something like that. Like this is the logic that’s being used against us. So it’s the ultimate weapon! Meanwhile, it’s the opposite that is happening.

John: Yeah!

Monika: And I mean, there’s lots and lots of evidence of that. And one of the really clear quotes that I have used is Noel Ignatiev. And you probably have that on your page of quotes there., but I mean, I’ll just read this, I have it in front of me here.

Noel Ignatiev, a, quote, unquote, “respected Harvard professor”, he says:

“The goal of abolishing the White race, is, on it’s face, so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition, other than from committed White supremacists!”

OK, I finished the quote, so think about that. So, if you merely don’t want to be destroyed then you are a White supremacist! Can you imagine this being said. Japanese people who wish to see their culture and their traditions preserved and who wish to see Japanese grandchildren?

“Oh they must be Japanese supremacists!”

Or can you imagine this being said about, maybe. Let’s just pick a country and in Africa, like Senegal. The Senegalese people, if they don’t want to be destroyed:

“Oh well, they must be black supremacists!”

I mean, that’s absurd.

John: It’s truly absurd! You’re totally right. And see like a basic observation like that. It’s so obvious that what you’re saying is true. And yet this is very rarely pointed out to people. I mean, you have to point out a basic observation like to get people to start even thinking and in many cases they still can’t even do it.

Monika: Yeah. And also is this conflating of different concept. So, if you have pride in your people and you love your people, you could call it, you know, maybe nationalism, White Nationalism, or whatever., but people will instantly just say, White supremacist! And if you correct them and say, no, no, no! Like how about nationalist, or nationalism, or that you have pride. No! That’s a White supremacist! Like this is this instant leap that people will make, because they’ve been trained to make that leap. They’ve been trained by our media and all the movies and the indoctrination. I mean, that’s basically, you know, how we’ve been poisoned in the mind.

[49:34]

John: Right! No, you’re right! It is a mind poisoning. You’re exactly right, that’s best way to describe it I think. Well, jews have always, jews and communists and Marxists and those are all pretty much the same thing! Because if you’re a Marxist, or a communist you’re basically, your mind has been poisoned by jews. And I mean, Marxism and communism really are in my view rational coherent political philosophies. They’re jewish schemes to destroy White Christians societies.

Monika: Yes.

John: And to take all our wealth to create this jewish plutocratic elite that dominates and controls societies. And that’s certainly what we have in the United States. But jews and communists and leftists, they’ve always tried to attack any form of White racial identity. I mean, going back to the late 100s, early 1900s. And they weren’t as successful back then, because White people were still sort of healthy, you know, spiritually. They could think properly, at least most of us. But really, I think a lot of this is a result of the fake “Holocaust” narrative! And the official narrative of World War Two. See, this is a point that I was speaking with your brother about, and I try to emphasize this, you know, when I talk about these subjects, because I think it’s so important. The official “Holocaust” narrative, and I think it’s so important to the White struggle and a lot of people dismiss this, or downplay it, or think it’s unimportant. When in my view it’s absolutely central to our struggle, dealing head on, not only with the fake “Holocaust” narrative, but all of World War Two.

The real holocaust, the fire-bombing of German cities (click image to enlarge).

Monika: Yes.

John: You know, being able to say, look, Adolf Hitler was not this evil monster, in fact, he was like the most righteous, honorable leader that we’ve seen in generations! I mean, we should be able to say that openly and proudly.

Monika: Yes.

John: And not even hesitate, not even flinch! Anyways, the point that I was trying to make is the “Holocaust” narrative discredits and truly delegitimizes White, or any form of White racial identity. And I mean, it’s not the only thing that delegitimizes and discredits White racial identity. I mean, the jews have literally pathologized White identity through Cultural Marxism. If you identify as a White person and you concern yourself with the interests of White people, broadly speaking, you’re considered this irrational bigot who hates jews and is a racist White supremacist!

Monika: Yes.

John: But a lot of this goes back to the “Holocaust”. So on the one hand it really serves to delegitimize White identity, on the other hand, it’s used to strengthen jewish identity! And there’s public opinion polls done by jews, done by, you know, sort of legitimacy organizations like, PEW research center. They do polls on jewish identity and how do jews identify, what is the central factor in jewish identity. And would you believe it’s the “Holocaust”! I mean, it really is. So it strengthens jewish identity, and it is also created this enormous economic, political and social racket! Think about all these “Holocaust” museums, think about all the money the Jews get from this fake story, think about all these fraudulent books that have been written about the “Holocaust”, all these memoirs, all these documentaries, all these Hollywood films. I mean, it truly is a gigantic racket!

Monika: Yes, John! You have hit the nail right on it’s head with what you’re saying here. So this identity thing, that is exactly right! That’s the biggest identity thing for the Jews is the “Holocaust”. But also that they have been persecuted through the ages. They’ve always been persecuted, they’ve always been, you know, a hated! This is their identity. They’re taught that from the day they’re born. And I think that most jewish people, street level jewish people kind of get a double dose of indoctrination, but this is their identity, so that’s what they are taught right from when they’re born.

I do have, you know, a very nice friend who is really trying her best to wrap her head around what I’m saying. And she asks very intelligent questions and so I take a lot of time in trying to answer her. And one of the things she says is that, you know, she has a jewish friend and has relatives that she lost in the war and so, and this thing about being persecuted. Like that is how she identifies and that is exactly it! That’s their identity. But here’s the thing that I like to tell people a little story. It’s a little allegory for this persecution. It is true that Jews have been kicked out, you know, we know it probably at least a 109 times from different countries, or regions during the last two thousand years. But there’s a missing part of the picture that we’re not taught about that.

[55:09]

So, let’s say John, you go you like to the pub quite often, the bar, and you come home one evening and you’re very upset, because the bouncer kicked you out. And I sympathize with you. And the next evening you go to another bar and then you get kicked out again, and you come home and you complain that that bouncer was just unfair as well, and, you know, and it was just completely uncalled for! And again, I might sympathize with you. And the third night go to a another pub and you’re kicked for the fourth, fifth, tenth time! Your kicked out from different places and each time you’re crying about being discriminated against! And those bouncers are treating you so unfairly! And they are just so hateful towards you. And I am getting really skeptical about what’s going on. And I might just ask you, very politely, what is it that you are doing to get yourself kicked out? And then you say, really angrily:

“Oh! Those people just hate people with”, I don’t know, XYZ “And they are all anti-XYZ!”

And then you start lobbying to make laws against anti-XYZism. And that’s basically the story!

I mean, really, can people just say, well what is it that Jews have been persecuted for, all these thousands of years? Is it maybe that they’ve been doing things wherever they go that wasn’t good? I mean, Jesus Christ kicked the moneylenders out of the temple. And I mean, one could believe that story, or not believe it, maybe it’s also a metaphor, or an allegory, but there it is. That’s the story that the money lenders were kicked out of the temple.

John: Right exactly. Well, see that’s the thing. Dealing rationally and truthfully about jews, and their agenda, and their criminal activities, and their subversive activities, I mean, this is considered anti-semitism! Like literally, telling the truth about the jews, stating basic facts as you mentioned. You know, they literally — we can document this — they literally have been thrown out of over one hundred countries, just in modern history!

Monika: Yeah!

John: Bringing this up, talking about the reality of jewish supremacy and jewish power in the United States, in the Western world in general, the reality of, you know, the Israeli occupation of Palestine. I mean, the terrorism they have committed, the false flags, and all the criminality. I mean, we can go on, and on, and on, and yet, … We could easily document all these things. In fact, what I try to do on my website, by using jewish sources, from explicitly jewish news outlets that document this, and talk about this. And in some cases brag about it. And yet if you bring it up you’re called an anti-Semite!

Monika: Yeah, isn’t that bizarre!

John: I mean, it’s like, it truly is the most Orwellian thing you could think! I mean, this is George Orwell in reality. This 1984 scenario. You can’t even tell the truth, like literally tell the truth using explicitly jewish sources, to make your point, without being demonized. It’s so childish! It’s, I mean, I don’t know it’s really puzzling to me.

Monika: Yeah. Probably most of your listeners know this, but it’s just something I learned pretty recently. But George Orwell, he was actually an M-16 agent and so he knew! And this was his warning to the world. When we read them when we were teenagers, we saw that this was just really, you know, horrific science fiction. That it had no bearing on reality, but he knew! And he was trying to give the world a warning.

John: Right. I think so. Yeah, I’ve heard that he was connected to British Intelligence, although I can’t say I’ve totally verified that for myself. Either way, the book is certainly worth reading.

Monika: Definitely!

John: Yeah, it’s good piece of literature.

[59:40]

Monika: So one of the things that people always say, well, besides saying:

“We’re not going to debate this with you. And there’s no way you can’t talk about this. This is off-limits, a taboo subject”.

But, if they do say anything about it, they’ll say:

“There’s mountains of evidence! Mountains of evidence! It’s the most well documented event in the history of mankind!”

And then, they’ll also say:

“And there’s all those eyewitnesses. And what about the survivors?”

Okay. So first of all, about those “mountains of evidence”. But they don’t present those “mountains of evidence”! They just keep repeating that mantra. And then when you do look into the evidence, it’s actually the opposite.

You know, I just read a book called, “The Great Holocaust Trial” by Michael Hoffman and that is about the 1985 [trial], that’s the first of the two Ernst Zundel “Holocaust” trials that took place in Toronto, in Canada, in the 80s.

[Image] The Great Holocaust Trial by Michael Hoffman — back cover (click image to enlarge).

And I mean, reading that book, that should be mandatory curriculum in the schools! But I’m sure it would never be allowed into the schools, that book. Because what came out in that trial was just most astonishing! You know, evidence and evidence that basically the “Holocaust” did NOT happen as they say it happened! And, you know, there were reports in the media, but the thing is, even though there were reports in the media that they were reporting what was going on, and yet the way they reported it, I as a young woman in my early twenty’s at the time, it was kind of background noise for me. And I just kind of assumed that Ernst Zundel, he must be a bad man, or something. But I didn’t really pay much attention to it, and I regret to say that.

Perhaps if I had paid more attention to what they were actually saying, I might have looked into this more deeply. But, because of how they were portraying him in the mainstream media, he was just kind of a bad man in my mind. So you see, this is how they can do it. Even when they were kind of forced to report what was being brought out in the trial.

Stuff like, you know, Raul Hilberg, the main jewish “Holocaust” historian of the time. He was the main witness for the prosecution side. I mean, when it was brought into the court that there were no documents that said that there was a plan for the extermination of the jews. There was not a single document to that effect and he actually said in the court.

“That yes, it is incredible! There was some kind of ‘meeting of the minds!”

John: Exactly. So he’s literally conceding points to the revisionists, openly in court. Yeah it’s amazing! I haven’t read the book, I should. Gosh, I really should sit down and read it. I’m familiar with the book you’re talking about, by Hoffman.

Monika: Yeah. It’s easy to read, it’s very short. It’s a skinny book. A new edition came out that’s longer. I haven’t read the new editions, so I think he probably adds stuff. I’m not sure exactly. I have it in my possession, I haven’t read it yet, but maybe he adds about the next trial? I don’t know.

But then, the other part of it, about the eyewitnesses. That is just a conversation stopper, because people feel worried that they’re going to insult the memories or, you know, something about that like. That’s how we’ve been trained to just, you dare not, …

John: Disrespect the dead. Yeah, exactly! This is like a psychological aspect of the “Holocaust”. It’s the survivor testimony, as well as the photographs.

Monika: Yes! And the photographs!

John: Yes, that is what I get a lot, is, people can’t even talk about it, like, we just can’t talk about this, sorry. Or, bring up the survivors as you mentioned, or they’ll bring up the photographs.

“Oh, well, what about all these dead bodies?”

Well, how does that prove that there was a “Holocaust”? Think about it, what does that prove?

Monika: Exactly! What does that prove? How does a pile of dead bodies prove gas chambers? And secondly, who are those dead bodies? In some cases those dead bodies may not have even been, you know, jewish dead bodies. Like they might of, some of them were possibly German dead bodies after the war. Because some of these photographs didn’t come out until years after the war, so.

And I’ve seen some documentation about a lot of doctored photographs, as well. I’m not talking about the piles of dead bodies now, but I’m talking about, where two identical photos are side by side, and the one, there’s been something inserted into it. Like perhaps a hanging body and then, you know, a soldier, a German soldier standing there with a grin on his face. Something, you know, just crazy things, where they just doctored photos and made lies out of them.

[65:04]

Anyway, piles of dead bodies do not prove extermination of jews and gas chambers, especially. And then the survivors, you know, I do have actually a story about an Auschwitz survivor who lived in this little town of Jasper. And we were actually good friends. He liked music and I’m a musician and so we ended up spending times together at sing-a-longs and that kind of thing. And I invited him over to my home — this is when I still believed in the whole “Holocaust” story and I was doing, quote, unquote, “the right thing” and, you know, wanting my daughter to be educated about it and all this. And I had him and his wife over, to give that talk, because he had gone into the schools quite a lot and given that talk about his Auschwitz experience. He did have the tattooed number on his arm and everything.

Anyway, so they came over and we had a nice dinner and after dinner, cleared away the dishes, and then he read his talk and he explained that it was easier that way. So he had a prepared talk that he read, and we listened. And at the end, I just remember feeling some sense of disappointment, because I didn’t really hear any of the details about what we thought had happened in those camps. And remember this was years ago when I still fully believed in the “Holocaust”. Now I don’t think that he was ever purposefully deceiving anybody, and I think he had come to believe all those stories too. And he was a very, very good man.

He’s dead now, so I’m speaking of him in past tense. He and his wife they were lovely, lovely people, and the thing is I think he was a very honorable man, because he didn’t make up stories. So when I see I was slightly disappointed at the end the talk. Because here I had this Hollywood vision, you know, file this way, file that way. And, you know, the lineups of people and just horrible scenes, and that kind of thing. Well, he didn’t describe any of that. Well, he probably didn’t describe any of that, because he did not see that kind of thing.

So, I mean, now in retrospect, it’s just also very, very interesting for me, because I realized, well yeah, he didn’t see those things, because they didn’t happen. Those things that are, you know, Hollywood version of the “Holocaust”. And he didn’t talk about any belching chimneys, or anything like that! He just talked in more general sense of how he ended up in the camp. And he also made several times, made statements about how he did NOT come to hate the Germans — he was Polish, by the way — he did not come to hate the Germans. In fact, he married one, because his wife was a German and he met her after the war in Germany.

And he was also not jewish, so he was Polish, and I think he had worked for the underground, or something like that. And he also says that there were many other people, other than Jews in the camp. He made that very clear in his talks. So in retrospect, when I think of all those things, I think:

“Well, good on you!”

John: Right.

Monika: He told us all those things and, …

John: Well, I think you’re right. I do think that a lot of jews, a lot of quote, unquote “Holocaust” survivors, I think there are a lot of them that really do buy into the fake story that the organized jewish community has created. I mean, the origins of the story it’s really a combination of the jews, the British government, the American government. I mean, they were making up these atrocities stories about the Germans to demonize them and to garner support, you know, to go to war against them, basically. Black propaganda that became institutionalized. So a lot of these people actually do believe the stuff. But getting back to what you’re saying about this guy who was actually kind of like telling the truth, have you seen that video on You Tube called the, “’Holocaust’ survivors who tell the truth”?

Monika: I think I have, yeah.

John: It’s kind of it reminds me of what we’re explaining here. It’s so many people who are legitimate, quote, unquote, “Holocaust” survivors, they provide testimony that’s actually truthful, but basically debunks the official narrative, right? But yet they still believe in it. They talk about:

“Oh, you know, we went into we went into the gas chambers and all of a sudden there was a shower, taking a shower!”

Which is like, I mean, it’s true! Its like, sort of what happened. And a lot of this stuff, lot of the “Holocaust” mythology was basically rumors floating around.

Monika: Yes.

John: And, you know, spreading, you know, how gossip starts, rumors start! This is what it was, and this became institutionalized.

[70:15]

Monika: Absolutely! There were whisper campaigns. These were deliberately begun and deliberately spread so you could call it the “rumor mill”. You know, at that time I think they actually called them “whisper campaigns”, or something like that. And like, you mentioned the black propaganda and, yeah, that was a huge part of the war. Well, first of all you had to get the world to hate Germans and Germany. And that had been going on for decades before World War Two, already. I mean, I think already in the late 1800s, this campaign of hatred towards Germans had begun.

John: Yeah, it certainly had. Monika, we are over an hour now.

Monika: Yes. We have a limited time.

John: Yeah. We wanted to keep it to under an hour and a half. We are about an hour and ten minutes, or so, into this. I do have a couple, sort of big questions I want to ask and I think it’s probably going to take you some time to address them fully. And I definitely want you to do so. The first one is, in these first two they’re kind of related, but the first one is: Based on your research into the alleged “Holocaust” story — I should say the fake “Holocaust” story, let’s be serious, it is fake, …

Monika: Yeah.

John: What are the main conclusions that you’ve come to? Like, if you wanted to make the most important points to someone about the research you’ve done and the conclusions that you have come to. What would you tell them?

Monika: Yeah, well I think that the ultimate goal for Organized jewry, I’ll call it, like the globalists, is to rule the world! One world government! And they’ve been telling us that for quite a while, actually. I remember when I was at university in the 80’s, I remember receiving some kind of postcard, or propaganda material that actually said, “One world government” and was exposing these great ideas about just, you know, having one world government and peace, they said in this in this propaganda literature. And I have no idea who was behind this and what it was and it’s coming.

But anyway, that is the goal for the jews. To have this dominion over all the world and all the wealth, all the gold, own everything, and enslave the rest of us! And I think they want to annihilate a lot of us, and that’s, I mean, the “Holocaust”, that they call a “Holocaust” is a big part of their equation. Because it’s a weapon that you use against us when we start to point out any of the things that are going on. Like with White genocide. And when I first heard that term, I thought, “what are you talking about?” you know. But it really is the goal. And I think it’s because Europeans have stood up to the jews and that they have been the biggest obstacle to jewish domination over the years, that the European people have been able to stand up to the jews over time. And that’s why they are trying to get rid of the European people. So that would be that.

John: Right. Okay, very good. I mean, I certainly agree with you that the “Holocaust” narrative is probably the number one weapon used by the jews to advance their agenda, to advance their interests. To delegitimize our interests and, you know, to discredit the notion that we can even identify as White people and have interests.

So, I totally agree with you and I guess, just to emphasize that, I don’t understand how we could really ignore this issue. How we could ignore, or downplay the “Holocaust”, ignore, or downplay revisionism, and dealing seriously and truthfully with the “Holocaust”, with World War Two, when literally, it is constantly brought up and used by jews as a weapon against us! All day long! Every single day! I could point this out.

Gosh, I wish I had the time to do. I used to kind of do it when I was writing more of my website, but I mean, literally Monika, I’m not even exaggerating! Every day I could highlight and write a blog post, I could probably do three, or four times. Different articles appearing in the jewish press, appearing in newspapers like Times of Israel, the Jewish Daily Forward, Tablet Magazine, the Jewish Telegraph Agency. I mean, just openly talking about the “Holocaust” and using it to advance jewish interests while, again, harming our interests. I just don’t understand how it can be avoided, and I mean, I’m certainly not going to avoid it. But I would argue that it’s very central to our struggle and I think you would probably agree with me.

[75:22]

Monika: Yeah. Absolutely! I mean, I’m kind of laughing at this end of it when you’re talking about it. Yes, every day. You’re right, it’s not a laughing matter. It is so, so serious. But the fact that it is twenty-four seven in all the different media. Like, whether it’s radio, whether it’s movies, whether it’s, well I don’t watch TV, but just anything! It’s always brought up even if in a movie it’s about something completely different, but somewhere in the movie the “Holocaust” will come up, or it will be invoked. And, you know, what is the most ironical thing about it, is some people when they are maybe well-meaning towards me, you know, just say:

“Look Monika, why do you dwell on this thing? That was so long ago, it’s not relevant, it’s not relevant!”

And I just, … [laughing]

John: Yes exactly! That’s what I don’t understand.

Monika: How can it not be relevant when there’s this strong reaction against me. That contradicts that statement that they’re making, that it’s not relevant. Of course, it’s relevant! If it wasn’t relevant they would never cared about my video! And I mean, that’s something that I didn’t talk very much, but I don’t want to get into that right now. But that’s this ritual defamation process. And I’ll just briefly say, like, I live in a town of five thousand and I think it’s kind of like a textbook case of where ritual defamation is being carried out. Because this town is kind of like a little bubble. I think if you live in a big city you can move amongst people more anonymously, but you can’t in a town of five thousand.

So, oh my goodness, they have unleashed a storm against me here, but I don’t want to get into that right now. But it’s just been a most interesting thing. And I do kind of make my observations and I, you know, I can write about it and I do write about it a little bit. You’ll probably, maybe make a link to my Free Speech Monika website with this podcast this, I would assume?

John: Absolutely!

Monika: You had a another question for me and so I’d love to hear what that was.

John: Yeah, now that you brought that up that was actually something I wanted to talk about, if you mind? Just addressing that briefly. Just the reaction you have had amongst people you know, amongst friends, neighbors. Because I mean, we sort of have, … I don’t want to say similar experiences, I guess it is kind of. I mean, I’ve been doing this very publicly for a long time. I wouldn’t bring it up with people. People would have to find out on their own, simply by googling me, as if that’s like a very difficult ask to do. But, you know, I didn’t really bring it up and it’s caused a lot of problems professionally and with friends, other relationships.

So I guess, I’m just curious about your reaction, … You live in a small town. I don’t live in a small town by any means. But could you maybe just give us some insight into your experience and sort of what’s happened to you with your friends, or acquaintances?

Monika: Yeah. I mean, I still have some friends! I’m happy to say. And there are people who have stuck by my side through thick and thin, even if they don’t get into this topic, or don’t research it, so they probably don’t even agree with me. But they have remained my friend. So I don’t want to make it sound like I have zero friends here in this town.

However, the general sentiment against me is just, it’s visceral. And I am banned from certain places. The most active venue for music and happenings, happens to be the Legion [Jasper Royal Canadian Legion], and Legion is this is, I guess they operate sort of like a private club, and they have banned me from entering. And a lot happens there, like a lot of live music. I used to be in there a lot, not just listening to musicians who are coming through town, but also playing there a lot. So that’s off-limits for me now.

Jasper Royal Canadian Legion in a foolish act of exclusion, bans Monika Schaefer from entering its premises, thus throwing its reputation into the gutter.

John: That is so pathetic! Wow!

[79:43]

Monika: It is! And last summer I didn’t get a busking license. I was not allowed to have a busking license. Busking is when you put your case out in front of you when you playing music like, in a public place and then passers-by can throw a coin in if they want, if they like your music, or whatever. They can show their appreciation by throwing some money into your music case. And this was the first time that busking became a sanctioned activity in Jasper and I was the one who lobbied for it, years already. And then ironically, I was denied a busking permit last summer, for my, quote, unquote, “my political, non-inclusive views”! Like this is just unbelievable and, you know, when I, …

John: Non-inclusive! They’re the ones excluding you!

Monika: Exactly! And John, just to give some background, I have given my music voluntarily to this town for thirty-five years, basically. The whole time I’ve been living here, in terms of playing at fundraisers, or playing in the schools, or playing for the seniors, or playing all over the place for free, because I just have the enjoyment of doing that. But I also play professionally and teach and all that. But I had been giving and donating that my time and my music for decades.

And then when it came time to get a busking permit they denied me that. Now, we’ll see how that goes this summer, but that’s still a question mark, I have to say, so I can’t report on that yet. But anyway, so there’s a bunch of other things that happened. All kinds of hate letters to me in articles in the main weekly paper. There’s two papers here and both have had their sort of different things in the papers about me. And one paper, the main one, the weekly one, oh my goodness they are treating me with such hostility! And I have not had the right of reply, basically in terms of this subject, at all. And yet they can write all kinds of slanderous things about me. So, it has had it’s effect. People sometimes, they look at me with fear and then I just greet them in a friendly way and then the fear dissipates.

But actually some of the worst is the young high school kids. And I live right across from the high school and I’m telling you sometimes they yell things at me that are just, … And they only do this when they’re in groups. I haven’t had, you know, people do this when they’re by themselves facing. One time I turned around when there was a group of them behind me are on bicycles — I was on my bicycle — and somebody shouted something like, I don’t know, “Nazi!” or “Hitler!” I don’t know what they shouted, just something very hostile. And I turned around and faced them and I said:

“Do, you know, what you’re talking about?”

And they had fear in their eyes! I tried to engage them, but that was impossible and then they zoomed off ahead and turned off and said:

“You can’t follow us! You can’t follow us to the Legion!”

[laughing] I mean, I was just kind of laughing and I could hear them, squeals of laughter, like I could hear them blocks away!

And then there’s other times when people drive by and they stick their heads out the window and just shout obscenities at me! I mean, it’s just absolutely crazy! This kind of thing! But I have to say there are others who, they greet me in a very friendly way. There isn’t anybody in this town and doesn’t know about this controversial issue, since this happened to me and me bringing all up, I guess, what that video. But, you know, when I’m seeing people downtown, or in a grocery store, I don’t bring this up! In fact, I don’t want to bring it up, because I just want to live normal and I greet people and talk about other things like, you know, talk about mundane things, or talk about music, or gardening, or whatever. And I just try to be friendly. And I am a friendly person, I’m pretty gregarious and just try to normalize the situation.

And to a certain extent that does work and people see that. They sort of feel relief after I speak about something else, they feel relief and they want to talk to me about, you know, other subjects, or whatever, so that they can see that, okay, she doesn’t just go around her blow horn all day long and start talking about, you know, the holohoax, National Socialist Germany, or whatever!

Anyway it is quite an interesting situation here. There are people who would just dearly love to chase me out of town and they have sent me all kinds of messages to that effect, and hate messages and whatnot. Anyway, I’m sure that anybody who talks about these things openly has that kind of reaction to them too. But I guess in this size of the town it is very interesting, and so I kind of tell a story with that.

[85:08]

John: Interesting. Well I’d love to come hang out with you in Jasper. Where is it?

Jasper, Alberta (click image to enlarge)

Monika: Jasper. Jasper, Alberta, north of Banff. You have probably heard of Banff.

John: I’m sorry, but I have not.

Monika: Yeah that’s okay. That’s okay, but we’re in the Rocky Mountains.

John: You guys are like directly north of Colorado basically. Like if you were to keep following, …

Monika: Following the Rocky Mountains. That kind of goes north-west. Because they go north-west to south-east so, … But, we’re in the same mountain range that the Colorado Rocky Mountains are. That’s the same mountain range and it’s beautiful here! It’s just absolutely beautiful!

John: Oh, I believe it.

Monika: You know, it’s a little bit of a fairy tale town, because it is in it’s own bubble. A friend of mine calls it “Gingerbread Town”, so I kind of laugh about that, and I call it, “Gingerbread Town”. And the people don’t like it when you rock the boat, because they might get a little bit wet!

So, anyway I do have a big smile on my face and I’m doing very well and I’m a happy person. I’m much happier since I figured out the truth about things. Which maybe that sounds strange to people, because it is so dark, these things that we’re learning, and yet it lifts something off your shoulders a little bit. It lifts your spirit. It’s better to know the truth and to do something about it, than to not know the truth. And be bewildered by all the turmoil in the world and the wars! This and that, that is going on, nothing makes sense! Now things make more sense to me. And I can understand things better. And anyway, I’m doing my best to do something about it.

John: God bless you! That’s exactly how I feel! That is literally exactly how I feel. I mean, I just want to know how the world really works and what’s really going on. I think I’ve got a pretty good idea at this point. Now, I’m just trying to do something about it, to make it better. That’s really what this all boils down to.

Monika: Yes! Well it has been such a pleasure talking with you John and I know that when I’ve listened to you talk before, that’s how I felt too. I felt that we were really kindred spirits!

John: Yes. I think so. I completely agree. Maybe one of these days I’ll make it up there to visit Canada. I’ve never been to Canada. I’ve been to Mexico, I’ve been to South America, I’ve been to Europe, but never been to Canada. One of these days I’ll get up there and well have a good old time!

Monika: Oh yeah.

John: We’ll go out and make all sorts of friends in Jasper! [laughing]

Monika: Yeah! Yeah, that’s great! Okay, …

John: Well, Monika I will go ahead, let’s just go ahead and wrap it up. This has been a very good conversation. I’d love to do it again in the future, if your interested.

Monika: I sure would be John! I am sure would be. Let’s stay in touch.

John: Okay, very good! I will have a link over to your website, as well as your video that we’ve been discussing, “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust”.

Monika Schaefer, thank you so much. I really appreciate it, I will talk to you soon.

Monika: Thank you John! Bye, bye.

John: Okay, good night.

Monika: Good night.

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The Realist Report COMMENTS

Richard May 18, 2017 4:33 AM
Excellent interview, John and Monika. You both come across as lovely, honourable, sincere and well-meaning people – and very brave, too.
Yes, I agree with John that the myth of the Holocaust is the Number One weapon used on a daily basis to brainwash the masses across the world into accepting all the wars and injustice and unfairness and political correctness that the fake ‘elites’ (mostly Jewish) are raining down upon this earth. When Mark Webber (of the Institute for Historical Review) says these days that the Holocaust is basically a non-issue and we should move on and just talk about Israel – oh, my God: how wrong and wrong-headed (out of whatever motive) can he be! The fake Holocaust narrative is THE defining myth of our age and underlies literally ALL the evil that is being perpetrated in the name of a false ‘good’.

Realist Report May 18, 2017 6:57 AM
Thank you Richard! Agree 100% – well said!

Nick Dean May 18, 2017 10:27 AM
On Weber – I’ll ‘third’ that!
Robert Faurisson, Michael Collins Piper and even that mellowest of men, Germar Rudolf, have gone on the record and said Weber is crook.
If it were ever in doubt, just look at the volume of material produced by Rudolf, Mattogno, Graf and so many others, on a shoestring, and generally provided free of charge to the world at vho.org. Meanwhile, IHR is mothballed when it had at least a coupla million dollars, plus ongoing income from well-meaning mainly elderly donators who just didn’t know better.
There are five 45 minute RBN ‘Piper Report’ broadcasts starting here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VNP8IjL1o
Someone with time on his hands could turn them into a shorter, less discursive, single edit, exposing the enemy’s take-over and driving into the dust of IHR.

Nick Dean May 18, 2017 10:35 AM
On Monika Schaefer, I’ll ‘third’ that.
It’s the smart and principled fraction we most need (and which most need us!) And the Schaefer eltern provided two healthy specimens, indeed.

Russian Limbaugh May 18, 2017 1:59 PM
No event which ever happened in history has been used as the Jewish Holocaust has been used to justify displacement, murder, bombing, imprisonment, etc. of gentiles while giving Jews special privileges above all other races of people.
This is sufficient to conclude if the Jewish Holocaust had really happened then it would not be used in such manner as no other historical event ever was. It is used is such manner because it is a fantasy and not because it really happened as other historical events.

Richard May 18, 2017 4:41 PM
Thank YOU, John. Keep up the great work.

Lou Ryan May 19, 2017 10:03 AM
She seems like a sweet lady.
Unsure of the brother, after listening to a recent podcast, whereupon he stated he enjoyed exposing himself to the police or that he was abducted by aliens during his early teenage years.
Thanks, John.

katana May 20, 2017 3:48 AM
Thanks John and Monika for that.
I’ve started on the transcript here:
https://katana17.wordpress.com/2017/05/20/the-realist-report-interviews-monika-schaefer-may-2017-transcript/

Realist Report May 20, 2017 8:41 AM
Thank you katana, as always. Your hard work is greatly appreciated.

Alfred Schaefer May 20, 2017 1:37 PM
Great interview. You were probably too polite to remind the listeners that these Rabbis not only want to exterminate the white race. They are encouraged by their holy book, the Talmud, to rape our three year old girls. These are the same rabbis that have their foreskin chewed off when they are 8 days old. These rituals ensure that the parasite never fraternises with the host. Raping our 3 year old girls builds an unbridgeable gulf between parasite and host.
The entire history of the “World Wars” need to be seen in the light of being the first big hit of the parasite jew exterminating the White race. We are now seeing the final blow against us, and the holohoax is used as the psychological guilt trip to destroy our defences. The jew is advised through the Talmud, to kill us slowly so that we do not notice. One day the last remnants of the white race will wake up and think, “how the hell did that happen?”….
But, we will do what we can to ensure that it is not the white race that goes down. And we are fighting to win!

Realist Report May 20, 2017 4:54 PM
Thank you Alfred!

Teutonica June 12, 2017 1:38 PM
Dear Monika and John,
Thank you for this great interview! Monika you are hitting the nail on the head in so many areas.
2011 also my search for the truth started, on September 11, in response to another 9/11 documentary.
About a year ago I spoke out publicly in a meeting with just one sentence opposing the Hitler bashing. After that I was rejected by a person who was seeking my friendship before. She did not give me a chance to give her detailed reasons for my one sentence, though I asked her for it, but right out rejected me and forbid me to speak to her. Apparently, she considers me evil and that’s that. Imagine you have a judge like this in court, and there are some like this, and definitely they have them in the “German” courts run by Jews. That’s why they extradite people to Germany to grind them through the Communist Kangaroo Courts in Germany where the judges say: “Truth is not a reason to deny the Holocaust.” Like Monika says and JFK said in his speech about the secret societies that they do not come with weapons by day but with secret machinations. Nothing is open and honest and up to debate. For the encouragement of people, when I found out that it was the Jews and not the Russians that overthrew Russia and executed or slowly killed between 66 and 100 Million people, the fog lifted from my brain and opened all the channels to see other deceptions. I’d like to add to the “people do not know how to use their brain” by saying they also do not want to. I have come to understand that people want to belong to a group, and by indoctrination of a false holohoax, they who believe in it all think alike in this area. “Don’t dare to disturb this group!” You’ll have a bad thing coming! And furthermore, these frightening Hollywood Nazi and Holocaust movies had such an intense emotional impact on children that as adults they still “see” these experiences, like the older generation remembers “Night of the Living Dead.” AND ANOTHER THING IS, PEOPLE WANT A SCAPE GOAT. THEY CAN THEN BLAME “EVERYTHING” ON THAT SCAPE GOAT AND NEVER HAVE TO LOOK AT THEMSELVES. THIS IS A VERY JEWISH CUSTOM INDOCTRINATED INTO THE GENTILES AND GOES BACK TO THE OLD TESTAMENT TIMES. Just think about the fact that in the Muslim religion when a girl or woman gets raped she is ALWAYS BLAMED FOR IT and punished for it. No punishment for the criminal. No wonder, as the Muslim religion is an offspring of the Old Testament. Germany is the scape goat for all of man’s evil, just like Jesus, a German – the Germans lived in all of Palestine – was the scapegoat for all of mankind, for their sin (Jews invading a German homeland and genociding most of them) and crucified because the Jews had already mostly taken over their country. To think other than the group means the person will be either dismissed, abandoned, isolated, and at the very best be allowed in with cold indifference, something no one can handle for an extended period of time. All of these have happened to me, including family members and most friends have departed from me. (Who needs friends like this?!) Like Monika, I was also hoping they would be happy about the Holocaust being a hoax, the contrary happened. They hated me for bringing them the good message of the Jewish author’s book “Tell the truth and shame the devil”; they called me insane, told me to see a psychiatrist, told me to get lost, called me Nazi and peace disturber (their phantasy peace). And most people are not willing to talk about it, yes! 99%, after I spent about ½ hour of my energy telling them the truth in several areas, they told me that they did not believe any of it. In my own family in the U.S., where one can speak the truth at least at home, there have been painful consequences for me. I am only 18 minutes into the talk, and I have so much more to say in response to your talk, but already wrote maybe too much. Thank you both! For more WW2 truth, visit http://www.germanvictims.com

Realist Report June 12, 2017 6:25 PM
Great comment, thank you very much!

Tucker June 23, 2017 4:32 AM
I have gotten way behind on the podcasts that I like to listen to, so only got around to this one yesterday. I was very impressed! Great interview.

Realist Report June 23, 2017 7:41 PM
Thanks!

Mike Stone July 4, 2017 9:02 PM
I really enjoyed listening to this, and I really felt for Monika and the reaction she received after posting her video, which is very good, by the way.

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The Realist Report Interviews Alfred Schaefer – April 2017 — TRANSCRIPT

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[ John Friend of The Realist Report interviews German-Canadian activist Alfred Schaefer on his efforts to expose the activities of organized jewry and its ongoing plan of genocide against non-jews, especially Whites. The psychological warfare that is being waged against us by organized jewry is of particular interest to him and how they have programmed us to passively accept our own destruction through the constant use of poisonous ideas and words — KATANA.]

The Realist Report

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On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined once again by Alfred Schaefer, a courageous activist, thinker, and revisionist who has been persecuted in Germany as a result of his intellectual and political pursuits. In this podcast, we discuss some of Alfred’s recent activities and speaking engagements. We move on to address the persecution of political dissidents and “Holocaust” revisionists throughout Europe, including Horst Mahler, a German revisionist who has fled the country rather than accept yet another prison term, and Ursula Haverbeck, a righteous German woman whose case I detailed in an article published by American Free Press. Alfred gives us his take on fake history, the “Holocaust” industry and the anti-White agenda it advances, and President Donald Trump, who is increasingly disappointing and outright betraying his supporters. This is one podcast you do not want to miss!

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Alfred Schaefer

April 2017

TRANSCRIPT

(74 mins)

[01:02]

John: OK folks, welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report this is your host John Friend. The website is The Realist Report dot com where you can find an extensive archive of these podcasts as well as other broadcasts I have appeared on over the years on the website. You also find all of my writings and blog posts, an About section, a contact page, where you can find my personal email address, my Twitter feed, which is embedded on the right hand side bar of the website, and lots of other useful and informative links. I am a regular reporter for American Free Press, America’s last real newspaper and I also contribute to the Barnes Review, the bi-monthly history magazine affiliated with American Free Press. Both publications are worth subscribing to and I encourage all listeners to do so. Visit American Free Press dot net and Barnes Review dot org for more details.

All right with that said, let me introduce my special guest this evening. Alfred Schaefer is joining us once again. Alfred is quite a courageous activist thinker and revisionist who has been persecuted in Germany as a result of his political and intellectual pursuits. Topics that we will be discussing during this podcast.

Alfred, welcome back to the program, sir! How are you this evening?

Alfred: Well, fine John. Thank you very much for having me back online. We’re going into a very critical time now and thanks for having me on.

John: Yes, of course. It has been a while and I’m glad to have you back. This is something that I’ve been wanting to do for a while and we’re finally able to make it happen. And I should say it’s actually morning if I’m not mistaken where you’re at. It’s evening for me, so I guess I probably should have said, “Good morning Alfred”.

Alfred: Yeah, it’s five o’clock in the morning for me right now.

John: Yeah and thanks for getting up and being a champ and doing this. It probably wouldn’t work out any other way, so I do appreciate that. So anyways, we’ve got a lot to talk about and as I mentioned it has been a while since you’ve been on the program, so what have you been up to? How have you been?

[Image] German dissidents persecuted by jewish controlled Germany for daring to speak the truth.

Alfred: Well, we’re working full speed and as you mentioned I’m being persecuted. I had like, … The police had raided our house here back in August and stolen all of my computer equipment and this, … It wasn’t that long ago that I finally, we finally got, you know, through the charge basically. And it really looks like they are looking for a face-saving way to back down from these “thought laws” which are completely unsustainable. Because I am the main accused and alongside myself we Ursula Haverbeck, which is an iconic figure. We have Gerhard Ittner who has served a number of years in prison and was kidnapped from Portugal, brought back to Germany to face charges. And we have Henry Hafenmayer who’s working really hard and doing excellent work, you know, with sending information to all the prosecutors and judges and all the different functions in society. So we’ve got a real “dream team” put together here and it really does look like they’re trying to find, somehow, you know, than A-team to sort of take down these laws. That’s how we’re looking at it. And I’m not in any way fearful, or regret that they came. In fact, this is an opportunity. In fact, we are in times right now where people have to understand that these are fantastic opportunities to take down this construct of lies! And that’s what we’re looking at and that’s how we’re taking it.

[04:58]

John: Good! Yeah, that’s a very productive and positive way to look at your situation. Now you had mentioned that, … So your home was raided. This was back in August of 2016.

Alfred: Yes, correct.

John: Right and they confiscated a lot of your, you know, computer equipment and whatnot. I imagine other, you know, literature you had at home. I’m not sure you want to get into any more specifics about what they actually confiscated?

Alfred: Yeah look, their order was to find all, to confiscate all, … I use the word “steal”, to steal all computer devices and storage devices. So they stole, … I had a very fine computing equipment, you know, for making the videos and so forth. And they basically cleaned everything out, including an ancient, old computer I had of the closet, you know, they just took everything. They packed it up very nicely, you know. Made a nice inventory list of everything they took. And then it was actually, … I phoned the, you know, the police about a week after they had come and I told them, I asked him, you know, how long it’s going to be and how long it’s going to take before I get my stuff back? And they said this is going to take at least, you know, at least two months, or so. Of course, now it’s been like half a year’s up. And then I told him, you know, the fact that you’re here has made some waves in the Internet. And they were like, “Where? What? Where do we have to look?” you know, just key in my name and “Holocaust” and you’ll find all kinds of stuff.

So they basically got such blowback from being here that they immediately understood that this was not a very intelligent thing for them to do. And everything since then has played out in our favor. To put us in a position where we really can do permanent major damage to this construction of lies, and criminalizing thoughts. I mean, this is, we call it an inquisition. We don’t call it, you know, we didn’t break any laws. This is an inquisition and when you’re dealing with an inquisition it is a belief system and this is a belief system based on just evil, evil! And so that is what we are facing.

John: Oh yeah, absolutely! Now what prompted this? I mean, what led up to this? What were you, you know, officially charged with? What crime did you commit?

Alfred: Well, this is the wonder. I mean, everything is stacked in our favor. Their reason they came is, because the B’nai B’rith in Canada had incited the authorities here to do something about the work I was doing. And the actual work that triggered this was the, “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust”. That video. So here we have on the search papers, which they say, “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust”, that wonderful video, my sister Monika, she wrote the script and I just managed the cameras, … That’s her video basically. And that triggered this raid. And they say that contravenes paragraph “130” which is a paragraph they have about “Holocaust” denying. And now they’re trying to redefine this whole thing as “incitement to hatred”. So I say, please explain the logic to me. An apology to ones mom is incitement to hatred?

So they have a real problem now with logical explanations here. And the reason this apology took place is, because we were being incited. I mean, they were inciting against us all of our lives with this ridiculous fantasy of their six million dead jews. I mean, not a single jew was exterminated by the Germans, because he was a jew. It was war-time and there was, … The communists that were the threat were mostly jews, so the whole thing is, … They have a problem with how they’ve framed this. So that’s why we’re looking at. The inquisition and the “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust”, framing that as an incitement to hatred is a pretty bizarre situation.

John: Yeah, exactly! Now, did you actually participate in that video, or did you just help, you know, produce it for Youtube?

Alfred: I produced it. I was the producer and, you know, my name is at the end as the producer and that was on my [YouTube] channel. And the interesting thing is that in this accusation that they’ve taken with Ursula Haverbeck and Henry Hafenmayer. If you take the actual scenes that they, you know, they did their, as detectives they had to write down exactly where the charges are what the charge is, and the part with Gerhard Ittner, he did it, … That was the video, “Dissidents Speaking Out”, you know, the dissident speaks out.

[09:53]

And Gerhard Ittner did a wonderful scene where he is explaining how this jew had presented a box of soap in front of the media and said this soap has been extracted from the carcasses of gassed jews and Ittner did a wonderful scene where, what they really should have done with this soap is they should have blown soap bubbles with it. And these soap bubbles would burst which would symbolically, which would have been very symbolic for the lies. These lies would have burst like a soap-bubble. And he did that very nicely on camera and they actually listed this scene as being in contravention to some kind of a law here. So they’re really taking the most, you know, like we’re making a real, just a mockery out of their lies and they’re actually taking that scene and saying this is in contravention to some laws.

So they’re basically setting themselves up to lose. No judicial system that tries to, that wants to represent, you know, law and order can stand with this kind of ridiculous, you know, if we are guilty, because we are blowing soap bubbles with their soap made out of jews, their fantasy world, you know, nobody can take that seriously any more. So we have authorities now that nobody takes seriously anymore. We are in a situation where the little boy screams out, “Look the Emperor has no clothes” and everybody sees that there are no clothes. The Emperor is stark naked! And suddenly everybody says, “Yeah, the emperor is stark naked!” These lies are over!

John: Yes, they’re very, it’s so childish. I mean, what they tell us and just expect us to blindly believe. Now, I’m curious. So was it German federal authorities, like the federal government that was that’s we are pursuing these charges against you guys?

Alfred: Well, they sent the Kriminalpolizei, it’s like the FBI, I guess. I don’t want to get into trying to explain exactly how they fit into the, you know, the structures here, because I don’t really know. But these people just take orders from, … Well, B’nai B’rith in Canada, the jewish secret society that basically, that ordered the German authorities to do this and so they just follow orders. And the people that came and these are people, who were doing their work, they were very professional and I am convinced that they themselves have learned a lot since they came here and this has changed their lives. Because they are following orders, it’s something they are indoctrinated with certain beliefs and what they experienced when they came here was not what they would have expected.

They came here, first of all they didn’t come as a big SWAT team as they normally do, which means that they’re not very motivated anymore, but it was at a gentleman and a woman. And they actually told me I could, for this search, I could get my own witness, which is very unusual, you know, it shows that there, … And by coincidence our neighbors who are very noble people basically, like a Duke, their name is von Luecksberg [sp] . And they had been informed. I had informed them about these lies several months earlier. They knew all about Gerard Menuhin’s book, “Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil” and they were still there, so I got him and his son, who were both lawyers, and they were the witnesses. And they were extremely professional and obviously siding with me. So, the house was completely cleaned up very nice, very orderly. And so, whatever they were expecting and, you know, they might have expected swastikas all over the walls, or skinheads, or something. I don’t know what they were expecting, but the they saw a household that was very clean, very professional. The witnesses that I happened to get from across the street were very professional, very honorable people, and then they confiscate all my stuff.

And after that we had all this activity on the internet about them being here. I was on several talk shows, you know, Glaring Hypocrisy did a nice interview there, where I explained everything, how they came. In fact, I was going to go a little bit on how they came. Normally I’m usually in the shower by six thirty in the morning, but this one morning I was a bit later and I was in the shower at seven o’clock, actually, and I heard the doorbell ringing. And I heard through the door something about Kriminalpolizei, so it just registered immediately what was going on. So I had time to actually prepare psychologically for what was happening. So I came out and I came out completely stark naked! Stood there and there’s this huge guy standing there and I say, “Is there something you are looking for at this hour in my house?”, because I knew that if I came out stark naked, stand there and just ask him what is he looking for in this house, it’s a sort of symbolic thing. I have got nothing to hide and I am not afraid of you!

[15:08]

So tell me what you want and, you know, let’s see if we can find it. So he says, without even flinching, he said, “Well, you can get dressed”. And he never let me out of his sight. And then, basically we went through the whole procedure here. Before we actually started this search they allowed me to get my own witness, which was fantastic, because like I said before I got these honorable people from across the street. And then the thing sort of unfolded. And they, you know, went through everything basically, packaged everything that they thought was a storage device, or a computer.

John: All for a video that you produced on You Tube! How absurd is this! I mean, that’s the thing, average people got to be questioning this! What do people say in Germany? I mean, you know, it speaking of, … Let me just actually mention this. I was down in Mexico recently and I ended up meeting quite a few Germans and most of them, frankly, didn’t even know that it was illegal to question the “Holocaust”. They don’t really like, at least the ones that I was talking to weren’t really aware of these issues at all. They didn’t really think about it. I mean, I don’t know how they couldn’t of, but, … That was my, and again this is just a few people that I met from Germany, but what’s your take? I mean, are people kind of waking up to this?

Alfred: Well, what they do you see, they do these things and they do not talk at all about it, except like they tried like, the media, the jewish media, for example, with Urulsa Haverbeck. In over and over again, when she was going through her various trials, it would always big headlines, “Nazi oma [grandmother] goes to jail!” and all of that kind of stuff. So they’d be screaming these things out there, which weren’t even true. Like there be a trial for her, for example, and then they would, in the first instance, you know, the judge who is usually a jew, I guess, would say, “OK, go to jail”. But then she goes into revision and she doesn’t go to jail and she’s being treated very nicely by the people who understand.

And so, you’ve got these people who are in control of the media who are driving a certain narrative, trying to keep people in fear, or they don’t talk about it at all. So the only message people’s get once in a while are, you know, neo-Nazi, right-wing extremist has to go to jail, whether it’s true, or not, is beside the point. And they don’t ever get to understand what’s actually going on. It’s completely censored out of the public realm. And that’s with everything. Like, there’s no mention in any newspaper, or anything that they have raided me, so we have to bring this message out in our own networks, because in the jewish controlled media, of course, they get a single narrative and that’s what they want to, you know, push on the people. They want to keep the people in fear and ignorance.

John: Right! Yeah. And they can’t really present you, or Ursula Haverbeck, or any of these other people as like, these crazy deranged, you know, Nazis, or something like that. It’s, you know, far from it. You guys are very professional, good-looking people, you know, very scholarly.

Alfred: I’ll tell you what I did at Christmas time, for example, since I’m not hearing anything back from them. But I also kept sending the police department my latest productions, my newest video and I’ll send them a DVD with all kinds of additional information and recommendations of what they can learn. And then I actually, at Christmas time, I sent them a Christmas card with a long letter and I thanked them for coming. Because I told them that until they came my, … I was getting a bit nervous and worried that maybe somebody from Antifa, one of these left-wing crazies, communists, would come and, you know, break into the house and destroy all my stuff. And ever since they took all my stuff and this is, you know, known throughout the Internet, that these fears have been reduced and I can sleep very soundly. And also I told them and I broadcast into the Internet, that the police are diligently learning from what they had taken, because what they had taken really was what they needed, almost like a medicine to fight their own suffering from this psychological warfare, or their own induced mental illness.

When you believe these lies and you still react to all these words that trigger the programs that have been pumped into our minds, that’s an induced mental illness. And what they took from my desk, the coincidences were just almost too good to be true!

[19:53]

I had been in London a month before and spoke at the London Forum. And the subject of my talk was, “Psychological Warfare”. And I had all these papers and my speech. All that information that is relevant to the subject on my desk. Plus I had this display case with different quotations from different rabbis going, you know, back hundreds of years. They took all that they photographed all that. They took it. They really have almost like a university course of how, or what this psychological warfare is. They took and their job was to study it and learn it. To make sure that they’re doing that, that’s what I broadcast out on all of messages.

That the police are learning, they are, you know, they’re cleansing their brains from this stuff and now we’ve got the charges that’s exactly what it looks like. They have set this up, they want the A-Team to take down this ridiculous construct of “thought laws”. And that’s how we’re looking at it, that’s how we’re taking it.

If we fail then I say, “good luck” for whoever comes after us. But right now, we are really set up, we are in the poll position basically to take these laws down, or give it a major blow for which they will not recover very quickly! And that is fantastic to be in that position.

John: Yes. Now are you guys all kind of working together in this? I mean, each one of you were charged separately I’m assuming. Are you fighting this together?

Alfred: Yes. We are fighting together. We have got and we are all learning, we are all growing together, we are growing and gaining strength basically, day by day. And the other side is, … If you just watch what’s going on now with Trump in the US and what’s happening in Israel, they are in full panic mode and they know their lies are over and that’s why they’re really desperate now to get us into basically a World War Three, before too many people wake up, but they cannot!

The more they, … Like this is now going into an extremely unstable situation that we’re in right now. And it’s not going to go back to anything stable anymore. These lies are coming down! The jewish construction of lies is coming down. The financial system is coming down. This is basically a war of lies and criminality against honest working people and that is unsustainable. That’s what we’re at right now. And that’s why our very survival depends on us getting our heads functioning again! Becoming immune to the trigger words. These control words that result in ridiculous emotional outbursts that are just straight out of an insane asylum!

We are basically, … It’s almost like our brains are, … The brain of our society is very, very, almost terminally ill. But maybe we have to fall with their face in the mud to understand and then get up and clean and shake ourselves and then we can fight again. Because right now, when you have our men confused about which gender they are and more concerned about the feelings of some transvestite, than they are about protecting their women from the invaders, we have a serious problem! We haven’t had this in our history, in our European history. It’s a first!

John: Yes! I completely agree with you! And I want to talk more about this aspect of World War Two and especially the fake “Holocaust” story. How it really is a pys-op, it’s an ongoing psychological warfare operation being waged specifically against Germans, but really the entire White Western world. And I know that’s something that you’ve spent a lot of time thinking about and discussing and writing about. So, I want to talk more about that.

Real quick, I’ve got to ask you, I just put a video up, I guess it was maybe close to two weeks ago, it was on April sixteenth, of Horst Mahler. He is another German dissident that has faced all sorts of legal, you know, legal problems, legal issues. He’s been in prison for a number of years, from what I understand. And he gave a speech on April nineteenth apparently, his last public appearance before returning to prison. And he basically outlines the jewish plot against the White race in this final public speech. And I posted this up on my website. Have you seen this video and do you know, anything about Horst Mahler? From what I understand he may have fled Germany rather than go back to prison. Is that correct?

Alfred: Yes, that’s correct. And I was actually there when we recorded that meeting when that took place. And what he is doing is very, very important. I see people are coming to the same conclusion independently of one another and what he’s trying to do and that’s what we have to do, we have to scandalize this judaism, this Talmudic judaism. And keep telling people, remind them that these rabbis, who are basically the law givers at the top, they are allowed to, in fact, they are encouraged to rape our three-year old girls! Well, three years and one day old! That’s how old they have to be.

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And yet these rabbis themselves have been traumatized at the age of eight days when some other hairy rabbi had chewed off their foreskin. I mean, this is grotesque, this is so just awful. So, these people learn that through these horrible, barbaric animal behavior that they are living themselves, they learn and have it inculcated in their minds there is no empathy in the host populations where they, because they are the parasite.

If you are the law giver of these people and you can rape our three-year old girls, you’re not going to ever be on friendly terms with us, you know, that if these people find out who you are and what you are, they will kill you. And this establishes this hatred. They have a wall of hatred between themselves and the host population. Basically everything is turned around, they turn everything on it’s head and then they put themselves, elevate themselves in our minds through these lies as the “chosen people”. They are the devil! They are satanic! And that’s what Horst Mahler is emphazing.

More and more people on the Internet, on their information they’re putting out have come to the same conclusion. They are beginning to understand that. And that is the end of their rule over us! That is the reason why, when the jews had ruled the Soviet Union, under the guise of communism, they would kill anybody who knew of these things, or spoke of these things.

And yet, here I am speaking with you openly, talking about this. They have, you know, sure the police were here, they confiscated all my stuff. But hey, we’re talking about this openly and everybody who listens to this has probably heard it not for the first time, maybe for the tenth time, or whatever. And if they hear it for the first time they’ll be shocked and they’ll say that can’t be! But you’re going to keep hearing it over and over again! We’re not making this up.

This is in their holy books, the Talmud. You’ve got to understand the Talmud! Where these people are coming from. And they’ve been doing this for thousands of years. And where they have succeeded they really, truly exterminate the people and even the memory of them. So right now that is what we’re seeing, is that they know that they have to exterminate the White people. Because, if the White people figure out what’s going on they will probably seek revenge, which is the normal response, a normal reaction.

And this is like Alan Sabrosky* said, “An all, or nothing exercise”. In an, “all, or nothing exercise” there’s not much room for compromise. And that’s the situation we have. Like, we didn’t invent this, we’re not, you know, this isn’t a Hollywood film, this is the reality that we are faced with.

[* Dr. Alan Sabrosky:9/11 an Israeli Mossad operation. “I am also absolutely certain as a strategic analyst that 9/11 itself, from which all else flows, was a classic Mossad-orchestrated operation. But Mossad did not do it alone.”]

Organized Jewry Did 9/11

John: Indeed, yes. And Horst Mahler does a very good job of explaining that’s all and he talks about just how truly evil and depraved jews are, like the jewish religion, what the Talmud says, as you mentioned. It’s just incredible and most people don’t know these things, which is very sad.

What’s really amazing to me is that jewish news outlets and like jewish journalism, jewish writers, they often, you know, openly talk about these things and report on them. For instance, this whole, you know, ritual circumcision that they do? This disgusting, depraved practice, where literally a rabbi is sucking, you know, the blood off of a baby’s penis after it’s been circumcised. It’s so sick! And so, your mind couldn’t even fathom, you know, someone doing this. And yet this is a practice that these Orthodox jews do. And in many cases the rabbi is giving the baby herpes! You know, that’s how sick this is!

Here’s an article in the Jewish Telegraph Agency, one of the most, you know, prominent and well established jewish news outlets that goes back to the early 1800s, I think, or maybe even before that. The headline here is, “Orthodox families won’t identify the circumcisers who gave their babies herpes!” So the jews, they protect them! I mean, they protect these disgusting, you know, herpes spreading rabbis, rather than give them up to the authorities!

So I mean, my point is if you just follow jewish, you know, media, the jewish open, you know, explicitly jewish media outlets you will learn all these things. All these bizarre things about jews and just recognize how truly alien they are! How, I mean, outright evil, I would argue, they are. And, you know, you could really kind of make sense of the world around us but, you know, people just don’t get this news. They don’t get this perspective, they don’t get this information.

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Alfred: That’s the whole thing, is that the jews through their, … It’s a parasite. The behavior is completely, totally, parasitic and it’s delusional for a parasite to think that it can kill the host and then still survive. Now they could do that in the past where they would basically completely exterminate certain tribes of people, because there was other tribes that they could sort of slither out and occupy. But now, because this is global, they would have to find another planet essentially. And that’s it, it’s end of the line.

In fact, when Horst Mahler was in prison, where he had lots of time to write, so he wrote a book* and it’s called, in German, “Das Ende der Wanderschaft” which means, “End of their Roaming” and basically they hit the end of the road with that. Because as long as they could roam, let’s just say, consider yourself a parasite. Now you eat your way through one animal and you, you know, it’s dead, so you go on to the next one.

[* Das Ende der Wanderschaft – Gedanken über Gilad Atzmon you need die Judenheit (2013) (The End of the Wanderings – Reflections on Gilad Atzmon and Jewry) ]

Well now, they have, with the state of Israel, which was like a home base where they could always, you know, the criminals could go there and they wouldn’t have to fear extradition, as Israel has no extradition agreements with any other countries. And they could just take criminality to new levels, which even surpassed the old levels. And then they wanted from this home, this base basically, to dominate the world. Well, that’s not going to work. Everybody! Every single race on this planet is now remembering what this parasite has done to them in the past and it’s not a good time to be a jew anymore.

Like I said in my last video, I said to the jews, “Give up!” You know, come out with a white flag, because the game truly is over! You really, as a jew, you have to kill us all and then what? You think the that the people of the Third World are going to, … How are you going to suck anything out of them to support your extravagant lifestyle? You can’t! And you think the Chinese are going to put up with this? No! The game truly is over.

Right now, it’s like when Adolf Hitler understood it clearly, the jew has an utter hatred for the Aryan people, because the Aryan people were the last to stand in their way to world domination. Well that happens to be us! They want to overcome us, so that nobody else can, and that’s in their delusional mind, they think they can rule the world. Well that’s just the fantasy of the same people who are, you know, sucking the penises of eight-day old boys and raping three-year old girls! They’re pretty wild fantasies. And if those are our rulers and if they are capable of exterminating us, then we deserve to be exterminated!

Right now, when I see how many of our, you know, our folk are more concerned about the feelings of some faggots and transvestites than they aren’t protecting their women, the jew has come a long ways in demoralizing us, ready to be slaughtered.

John: Yes indeed. Well, I’m curious. I mean, I’ve argued in the past and I continue to argue that the whole, you know, White genocide agenda. Whether it’s massive non-White immigration into America, into Europe, whether it’s, you know, White guilt, the demonization of Whites and how we’re blamed for everything wrong.

I think a lot of this goes back to the official narrative, the official jewish narrative explaining World War Two. The official narrative of the alleged holocaust of six million jews by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. I mean, I think a lot of this all goes back to this fake story, this paradigm of our history which has been institutionalized. Not only by our schools by our government, but also via our culture, through Hollywood. Through these various, you know, books dealing with the Holocaust, you know, their memoirs and all the fiction stories they’ve written about the “Holocaust”. So, I mean, what’s your take on that? I think this is a topic that we’ve sort of discussed in the past, but what’s your take on what I just said?

Alfred: Yeah, I’m glad you brought that up John, because that’s a one of the most important parts of the psychological warfare. They learned that by inculcating guilt into a people, it makes them defenseless for their own subversion and extermination in the end. They learned that if you can inculcate this guilt into the Germans, as they have done with their fake “Holocaust”, they could actually exterminate the German. The Germans, I mean, millions of Germans were genocided in what they call World War Two. It was a genocidal attack on the Germans.

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And they learned that not only can they take the first real bite out of the Germanic people, which is the heart of Europe! The Germans were the heart of Europe! And they actually manipulated the other Europeans to do this dirty work for them. And this was such a successful business model, that afterwards these traumatized Germans had been. Indoctrinated with lies to the point where they were now giving these jews, the parasites, they were giving them submarines, giving them money without end and the grovelling underneath! This worked very well and they did it, because once you, if you are believing you’re guilty of something, then you are in his position of submission!

And now they learned:

“OK, how do we get the rest of, … Now that we took a big chunk out of the Germans, we can do away with all the rest of the Aryan people, all the Europeans, we have to make them feel guilty.”

At the same time that you make them feel guilty you slowly indoctrinate those who are supposed to do the dirty work of killing the White people. You make them feel hatred, or vengeful. So that’s the reason why they aren’t now inculcating all the White people to feel guilty about slavery, about this, about that. And if there’s nothing they can make them feel guilty about, they just tell them they are “boring”. That is what they have done with Sweden. They have told the Swedes that they are such “boring people”, they need multiculturalism. They’ve done that with the Canadians, too. The Canadians were always being told:

“Oh, you guys are so boring so you need some multiculturalism and it’s more exciting to have multiculturalism!”

And it’s true, because when you get raped for walking the streets at night, it’s more exciting than if you can go outside and not get raped, or murdered! So, it’s true gets! It gets more exciting.

John: Right. Well I mean, the very idea of having a White racial identity has been delegitimized and discredited by this fake story that they’ve told us. You know, if you’re a racially conscious White person, you’re immediately going to be called a Nazi! You’re going to be called a racist! You’re going to be called a White supremacist! And, of course, these are all, you know, truly weaponized terms that the left and the political establishment and the jews have used to attack us psychologically and emotionally. And it’s been very effective. This might be another question that you could address. What is the best way to, you know, to sort of deal with being called a Nazi, for example? What I’ve sort of been doing lately is just kind of embracing it, and laughing about it, and accepting it, and just, you know, saying:

“Hey! Look these stupid words are not going to impact me in the slightest! You can call me a Nazi, you can call me an anti-semite, you can call me a racist! I don’t care!”

Alfred: Good! John, perfect! I’m so glad you brought that up. That is exactly, … How do we deal with this exactly? Now if somebody calls me a Nazi, or somebody calls me a “Holocaust” denier, I just say that you said Alfred you’re a “Holocaust” denier. My response is:

“Oh, I am ever relieved that you do not mistake me for someone who still believes these pathetic jewish fantasy lies!”

And if somebody calls me a racist, I would say:

“You know, I’m a little bit surprised that you would still be using one of these weaponized words that are designed to make us feel guilty. I thought you knew better!”

I mean, everybody’s waking up. What I do there is if somebody accuses you of something like that and you start justifying yourself, or explaining yourself, then you are in a position of submission, which is what this word is designed to put you in. It is designed to put you in a position of submission! But if you take this ball and serve it back, like you would serve a tennis ball back into the opposite court and fire it back as hard as you can, then that word, then you are using this like martial arts, judo, or something. You take the force of this word and fire it back to it’s source. And you fire it back and say:

“I’m in a bit surprised that you at this time, 2017, would still be using that word! I mean, people are waking up. The word “racist” is designed to prepare us for our own slaughter! Don’t you see what’s going on?”

That’s how you have to deal with these words. Fire it back to it’s source and express your disdain and surprise at the person using that word, is actually still using it when everybody else who has a brain in their head is waking up to it. And believe me, these words, the people are waking up! And now in this time when we still have, … If someone lives in an area where they’re just surrounded by the zombies who still fall for that stuff, they have to see that as a golden opportunity to turn these people back on their feet!

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Its sort of like if you walk into a field and there’s all these big gold nuggets laying around and nobody else seems to notice, hey, that’s your opportunity. Because everybody, everybody will remember who brought them out of this sick condition.

You have to look at these people who are still reacting to these words as being sick. They are ill. It’s like if you were normally a healthy runner and you have two broken legs and casts on your leg, you couldn’t run, you can even walk. But it doesn’t mean you’re not a good runner. It just means that you are in a condition of illness, you are sick. And all these people who still respond to these words, which are all artificial, fake words, that have been injected into our minds, they are suffering from this induced mental illness and they need to be healed. And like Yuri Getnaov [sp] who understood this very well, who was a defector who came to the US and warned of the communism back in the Soviet Union. He says that people who are suffering from this induced mental illness, they are completely impervious to facts and so forth. You can shower them with facts and there’s no response. It’s because of this illness. And we have to see how we can reach them. And the first thing is to do deconstruct these weaponized control words by simply explaining to people what they actually are. And if they get that input, again and again, they can be healed! And these people that come out of that condition are often the best fighters against that system, once they’ve been healed!

John: Yes indeed. I think that’s a very good way of handling it and I totally agree with everything you just said. It really is amazing how truly powerful and effective, you know, just the simple, stupid words have been!

One question that I’ve had for you is, … I think if you look at the fake “Holocaust” narrative and, you know, World War Two more generally, I guess, I think it is very accurate to say that it is an ongoing psychological warfare operation designed specifically to target Germans, but really to the White world in general. Could you sort of articulate, how is this carried out? I mean, how does it impact people so deeply?

Alfred: Yeah, …

John: I have a couple of ideas myself, but I want to hear you say.

Alfred: It’s a very slow process, you know. It’s a very slow process and that’s why if you look at what the jews are propagating, what their goal is, what they want to do if we let them. If we let them they’ll do it. And that will finish us off. They want to bring in “Holocaust” awareness into the kindergartens at younger, younger ages! Now when our people could never ever imagine that if everybody is telling them a certain story in a kindergarten, no child in kindergarten is going to understand that this is all lies, so they believe it. And if everybody believes it at the same time they start to condition people never to step out of line.

And what they did to finish off Germany is they, … Jews had much more influence in the other countries, like in France and Britain and so forth, and they had conditioned them to feel good about attacking Germany. And then to keep them happy about doing it after they, … Germany was the heart of Europe, like we are brothers, I mean, if somebody from England, or France, I mean these are our brothers and sisters, we are the same people like the same family. And yet the jews had managed to get us to kill each other! In fact we were killing the best of our people, so we actually brought down the quality of our genetic, our DNA, as a people!

And to keep the people who were conned into doing this horrible crime against the Germans happy, they were able to participate in the spoils, afterward. So Germany was plundered. So the same thing, the same business model, is being applied now to all the White people. I mean, those invaders from Somalia, or, you know, the Third World, the sludge from the Third World, … I mean, these countries are emptying their prisons, sending these people to White countries. These people are participating in the spoils. And then you have the jews in our countries and they are taking the money they’ve stolen from us and putting these invaders, pushing them through our social systems, pushing into our schools and so forth. I mean, they are getting a free lunch at our expense!

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And we are too busy, or we are too stupid, or too weak, too sick to understand what’s going on. And we’ll get eaten to the bone and once we are eaten to the bone, they’ll just finish us off! It’s the end of the White race!

But the sludge that is replacing us will not be a happy lot. We will be the better ones off because will be dead! Because the life will be a living hell if they succeed.

This is a life and death struggle and once we understand, that once our people who are all still suffering from this induced mental illness, understand that life truly is more than just fun and games and has a purpose, namely to survive! Once they understand that, their life has a purpose again. You have a mission! It is just to survive with proper values, you know, with dignity and be proud of who you are. Don’t be ashamed! But if you’re believing all this crap about the holohoax and slavery and all the stuff, … Slavery was a jewish business, not a European business. It was a Jewish business. So, if we fall for that, well, you know, we deserve to be exterminated, because we’re too stupid to survive! I mean, that’s the bottom line!

John: Yeah, that is certainly true. But, I think it’s important understand really just what your average person is up against. I mean, this warfare, this psychological and emotional warfare operation being waged against us, … Is, you know, being scientifically implemented essentially.

Alfred: Yeah.

John: I mean, they know what they’re doing, they know how to exploit us emotionally, psychologically, you know, their ways that they’ve studied and perfected. And what they’re doing is it is very effective, people have a very hard time dealing with these subjects critically and there’s three, you know, major factors that I’ve kind of focused on, or identified. And especially as it relates to the “Holocaust”.

Location of Holohoax Museums in the USA (Click image to enlarge)

And the first one is how it’s always repeated. You always hear about the “Holocaust“! The repetition itself is very powerful and effective in implementing this psychological warfare operation. Think about, I mean, in school you hear about it all the time. You see it in our movies, you see in Hollywood, you see in our culture, you see in all these all the “Holocaust” Memorial Museums, which is essentially an industry that the jews have created with this fake story. And you most certainly see this institutionalized by our government! Certainly by the United States Federal government and probably every other Western nation. I mean, not probably, most certainly, every other Western nation! It’s the same story no matter where you go.

Alfred: Yeah.

John: You know, they have this fake narrative institutionalized by the government and you’re not allowed to question it. And see, that’s another aspect of it. That the holocaust story really is never explained properly. It’s never explained in context of what was really going on. It’s just presented as this truly horrific story that no one is supposed to question! But everyone is supposed to believe, just blindly believe and accept it. You don’t need any evidence, or proof, you know, you’re just supposed to accept it. It’s, you know, like the ultimate taboo in our society to even question this narrative.

Alfred: That’s the whole thing, it’s a religion, but it’s a religion of what I call, “The religion of the devil”, because they are using this to carry out their agenda, which is at our expense. I will read you a little quotation here from one of these jews. His name was Alexander Trachtenberg. He lived from 1885 to 1966. And this is what he said in 1944.

He said:

“When we get ready to take the United States we will not take you under the label of Communism, we will not take you under the label of Socialism. These labels are unpleasant to the American people and have been ‘speared’ too much. We will take the United States under labels we have made very lovable! We will take it under ‘Liberalism’, under ‘Progressivism’, under ‘Democracy’. But take it we will!”

And that was like I said, a quote from Alexandria Trachtenberg in 1944 at the Communist Party’s Madison, at the National Convention of Communist Parties in Madison Square Garden in 1944. So you see, how far they have come with their agenda. And now this holohoax, this ridiculous fantasy, jewish fantasy, that we are they’re supposed to throw us onto our knees, accepting all these invaders.

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I think they are themselves quite surprised at their success, which was due to the technological revolution which, of course, in television and radio and the magazines, the printed media, which they completely took control of that, and would not tolerate anybody else controlling any of that, because they knew that through these medians they can control our minds. And that is why now in the digital age, that is why you get people, like it’s always jews that took over all the Internet technology. Not because they invented it, or anything, but because they used every trick in the book to steal it and get control of it basically. Because they knew the importance of it, where we were just too naive and didn’t understand what was going on.

But this technology is not something they can really control. Now they’re trying to, like you said before, teaching us the “Holocaust” narrative in the schools and everywhere. And yet, all these things that they are putting, all these monuments and so forth, these will be the first things that will just be torn to shreds! And they will not have enough people to protect them! Because when we get a critical number who understand that, well if you can’t get the parasite himself, you get the monuments, what represents them. Whatever landmarks you have, they will all get torn down and stomped on! Not one of these “Holocaust” things will survive.

And the further they push this, trying to make their laws more draconian, you know, with the death penalty for anti-semitism — which is what they’ll do if they can, they’ve done it before. The further they drive this the more, it’s like putting another, you know, wrapping a pressure cooker with scotch tape, or something and putting a flame underneath it. You’re not going to prevent that explosion from happening. And when this, the truth which is growing under the surface, growing and growing, when that erupts, it will sweep everything that was stood in it’s way! It will sweep it away! Need everybody now at this point in time, 2017, will have the opportunity to explain what they did, or did not do, to keep the lies under cover, or to help the lies come out!

Everybody will be measured on what they did. And it’s nice to know that lists are now being generated everywhere of teachers, for example, teaching this “Holocaust” bullshit. These teachers will have some explaining to do! And that day is coming closer, every single day! So that everybody who listens to this should understand, this is a responsibility, we have to start becoming responsible for what’s going on around us. And if somebody thinks they don’t have to and will just go with the flow, that’s going to be a bad situation to be in, because the flow is turning, the wind is changing, the truth is coming out. And nothing can stop the truth now!

John: Yes sir! I love it Alfred! I love your optimism! You’re so spot on and that’s exactly what is going to have to happen if we’re ever going to get this stuff under control and have a proper understanding of our history.

Very well said! I appreciate hearing that. It’s uplifting. Because sometimes it can be kind of depressing and especially in your situation. Geez, after how much you’ve gone through, to have that sort of attitude, I really just admire you. Go ahead if you wanted to comment. I want to bring up one other aspect of the fake “Holocaust”.

Alfred: Just while you are on that point. You’re saying you like the way I present that. I’ll tell you one thing, that when, people notice it everywhere, that when you come out of this matrix of lies, it’s like a rebirth and you find a new energy that you didn’t even know you had! When you are living in a world of labels and guilt and so forth, you’re just listless and there’s no purpose and you have no energy. You don’t even know you’re just existing.

But, once you understand who you are and what is going on, then you can understand why our forefathers accomplished what they accomplished! Because they did not have to struggle under this “lead blanket” of lies and forbidden thoughts. This construction of lies where some fucking jews are telling you, you know, to get on your knees, because of some phony “Holocaust”. I mean, honest to God, I have, in fact, when you spend, let’s say a week, with people who are awakened, who are informed and then you go back and go into a crowd of people who are zombies, it’s like being with a bunch of little tiny children! Completely helpless, little hopeless children. And you say how can these children, these little kids, who believe these lies, they have no hope for surviving what’s coming if they don’t get out of that condition.

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It really is set up for a collapse for total failure that’s why you see the people who have come out and understand this, they’ll generally have a lot more energy than the zombies who are trying to keep them down. In fact, the zombies, they always come in crowds. They can only move in a herd, a big pack.

A main street of Jasper, Alberta, Canada.

Look at what happening to Monika [Alfred’s sister] in the town she lives in, Jasper [Alberta, Canada] . The people are attacking her, but like as a complete and total cowards! In a town like Jasper is there not a single man with a brain and balls! ? No! They’re all, “Oh! She’s a Nazi!” it’s so pathetic! I’ll give you a little scene that she went through recently. She was walking down the sidewalk and a car pulled up, you know, a bunch of young guys, White guys, European guys, you know, eighteen years old, or something. They roll down the windows and scream at her:

“Oh, you Nazi!”

And I said [to her]:

“Don’t they understand that when Monika is doing is to help these people? It’s for people these people so that they have a future.”

But they are so sick with these lies that they actually attack her!

And that’s what the jews have always said. They said:

“We will get the goy to become agents of their own destruction!”

And that’s a perfect example of that. When my sister Monika is being attacked by her folk, fellow people, because they are sick and they’ve been conditioned like laboratory rats to do that, and they do that. Then you can see the jewish plan playing out, where they said and openly stated in the Protocols and everywhere else, that:

“They will be agents of their own destruction!”

And that’s what we’re seeing right now throughout our societies.

John: Yes. Yeah and we’ve been seeing that for a very long time. It’s kind of a theme of our history.
You know, what one thing I wanted to bring up and this is again is another point that I’ve kind of tried to emphasize and make on my website and the podcasts that I do, is all of the propaganda relating to the fake “Holocaust” narrative, whether it’s the Hollywood movies, or the books you read in school, or, you know, the documentaries, it’s all very emotional and very traumatizing! You see all these, you know, horrific photographs of dead bodies. You hear, you know, the quote, unquote “Holocaust” survivor. You hear their testimony, and what they allegedly went through. How they lost all their family. They lost their sister, their uncle, their mother, etcetera. It goes on and on and on, and nine times out of ten they’re totally fake stories, or somehow otherwise embellished. What’s your take on this aspect? Because this to me is why people have such a hard time questioning it, is because they’ve been traumatized by all of this propaganda.

Alfred: Yeah. What the Jews have learned a long time ago, is that if you can take a picture and the pictures are true, but what they say about the pictures is not true. They will take pictures of the people that were slaughtered by the jews themselves, like the Bolsheviks, or like in Eastern Europe, were you take a Holodomor in Ukraine, or something, where millions of people starved to death. So, that resulted in having huge piles and piles of bodies, you know, depending on the circumstances, situation. So you take these pictures and then you write underneath them, oh:

“These are all jews that the Germans killed, the Nazis killed!”

So, people see the picture and they read what it says below and they think that. Just look at 9/11. They show us pictures of, you know, two towers coming down, which they did, they came down, and they tell us that these were Arabs with carpet knives.

John: Box cutters.

Alfred: Box cutters. And so people believe that shit for like, … I believed that for quite a long time, which is quite shameful that I fell for that.

And once you get that, they use the same script over and over and over again! They take a picture, some story and they write something completely false about it and they pump it out on all their channels, which is all under their control, and that’s how they do it.

So that’s the whole thing, to become healthy again, we have to understand that what they are feeding us is lies!

That’s why we have to form, we have to become our own media. Once you extricate yourself from this jewish media and then you go back and look at something, you cannot believe that you ever watched that stuff. You know, when I see what they bring on German news here, it’s just so sickening, it’s so disgusting! It’s complete, total, indoctrination and lies! It’s worse here than I think it ever was in the former Soviet Union. And we used to mock that and not understand that we ourselves are also being lied to. And now they are just lying to the whole world! And the whole world is waking up simultaneously.

[60:16]

John: Yeah. No doubt! It’s one gigantic scam and it’s so obvious to see. Once you really start thinking about these subjects and really do your own research, and come to your own conclusions, you can really just see it everywhere! And see, you know, all the propaganda in all the commercials, for example. Or really anything that’s on the television, anything that comes out of the radio. Even a lot of things you see on the Internet, you know.

And getting back to the role of like, survivors, “Holocaust” survivors. I’ve been seeing a lot of articles lately, and you see this from time to time in the jewish press. How they’re sort of, you know, they’re afraid! Because all of these, quote, unquote, “Holocaust” survivors are dying and they’re afraid that, you know, the memory of the “Holocaust” is somehow going to fade away, or something. And they’re actually, they’re literally creating, you know, like virtual reality and having these like simulated “Holocaust” survivors in these museums now. Have you seen anything about this? Have you seen any news stories about this? I just saw an article of Haaretz’s the other day that I tweeted. And, you know, they’re basically creating these fake “Holocaust” survivors and putting them in virtual reality in order to perpetuate this fake story! It’s ridiculous!

Alfred: I know a story, I read this about a year or so ago, it was in the UK, someplace, where the younger jewish people are saying:

“Oh, you know, just hearing what my grandmother went through, it as traumatized me and I need special care!”

So they’re whining on, whining on about, how they are also “Holocaust” survivors, because they hear these stories from their grandmother, and blah, blah, blah. So they’re just taking these lies, trying to take these lies further and further.

The thing is that the jews have maneuvered themselves, painted themselves, into a corner and they don’t know how to get out of that. They are on a stage and don’t know how to get off! And that’s why I say we have to try to open a door for those jews who are not the culprits themselves. To come out from this construction of lies. Because these lies are over! They have no future! And if they choose to try to exploit these lies at our expense they will have some explaining to do when the mob comes and looks for justice! Which it will! The mob will, I mean, it was not without a reason that the jews have been tossed out of about 109 countries, or areas, before, that we know of. It’s probably a lot more that we don’t know of, because they like to erase history all the time. So this always leads to the same result.

Map of jewish Migrations and Expulsions (click to enlarge)

It’s like you have a parasite and the parasite grows and grows inside of you, until one day you just throw up, you puke it out! And that’s what’s going to happen. We are now at the stage where we cannot stand these lies anymore! And we are going to throw up, get rid of it, toss it out! And when you get, when you have this condition, you feel like you’re going to die at that moment. You get really sick. But after you have thrown up, got rid of the parasite, then you can start to recover and slowly get back to a meaningful life that has some kind of a future!

Because living with a parasite controlling you completely and totally, bringing in, flooding your lands that your forefathers fought for and built, with invaders out of the Third World, not being able to resist. That is no life! That is not a future! And then these invaders are so audacious and tell you that you are guilty of something, while they’re stealing everything from you! They’re profiting from this.

So that’s it, like it is up to us! And that’s why when you talk to other White people it is everybody’s duty to do everything you can to all of those who are near and dear to you, to make sure they are immune to these control trigger words, become healthy again and join our team. And we have to grow our team and that’s what we’re doing.

John: Yes, exactly! Well said.

Now, I wanted to wrap up and get your take on sort of, what’s going on here in America with President Trump? And then, you know, maybe the prospects of other nationalists in Europe. I mean, do you see any sort of political solution to any of this, or any prospects in the political arena in addressing any of these issues?

[64:55]

Alfred: Not with Trump. Trump has been a massive deception. We had a lot of people warning us about it. Some of us had hopes that he has triggered a certain awareness of our, the fact that we’re being lied to. But now Trump has caved in and is nothing but a sledge, … is being used as a sledgehammer by the jews against Iran probably, against Syria, against, basically trigger the Third World War.

John: Against against North Korea as well. Yeah, he’s just warmongering against everyone.

Alfred: And I think, you don’t know how much of that is just bullshit, how much is just to make us hysterical. There is no reliance on any information. But we do know one thing, that Trump has exposed himself as being a pathetic tool of these jews!

Some of us might have the hope that his big ego, if he understood enough of what’s going on, that he would actually do something for our people! But he hasn’t. He has proven himself to be a tool, their tool. That’s why the solution is going to be, it’s going to be an ugly one. It’s going to be brutal. But he is basically, Trump is probably going to be the last President from this system that we have now, and then were going to go into a chaos mode.

And that’s why it’s good to have networks of your own people. People in the countryside that have their own farms and so forth, who have the best chance of surviving that. But we’re going to go into a very chaotic time. And I was hoping, we were hoping that Trump might steer us out of this stranglehold, from under the stranglehold of the parasite, but he’s not. He’s actually a tool, their tool, so that is not looking good.

John: Yes, I basically agree with you. And I wanted to give Trump some benefit of the doubt and give him some time to see if he could actually follow through on any of the stuff that he ran on. And it doesn’t look like he’s going to be doing that any time soon.

He’s just been increasingly, more and more disappointing. And I mean, he’s basically even outright betraying, you know, a lot of the things that he said and said he was going to do, whether it’s the “Wall”, you know, he’s basically backing down the wall now. He just said the other day that, you know, the “Dreamers” these illegal aliens who were born here, you know, he’s basically saying that they are OK. They’re not criminals, they can stay. You know, it’s very disappointing! And to top it all off, now he’s really sucking up and kissing up to the jews. He just gave a speech at the US “Holocaust” Memorial Museum, just today I think it was.

Alfred: I know, that’s beyond, … For me I mean, for him to have so little, such a dysfunctional brain is nothing short of astounding. But a positive thing is that I do not recall ever having a President of the United States being exposed, to being the fraud in such a short period of time. I mean, how long has he been in power now? And look at how people have now seen through, in fact, he is nothing, but pathetic puppet of these jews!

Now that we know it we know what we’re dealing with. So that’s it. They’re are going to have to try to put us all up against the wall and kill us all, like they’ve done in the Soviet Union? But I don’t think, you know, it’s world wide now, it’s global and this is an end game! This is the part of the jewish plan that will not go according to their original designs.

John: Right. Well, guys, I put up some some links on my Twitter feed. Go to my Twitter feed and check out some of Trump’s recent statements dealing with the “Holocaust” and, you know, speaking in front of these big jewish groups and whatnot. It is enough to make you want to vomit. I mean, I almost did earlier today. I was watching some of his, well I pretty much watched the whole thing, it was like fifteen minutes long of his speech at the “Holocaust” Memorial Museum. And it’s just so pathetic! It’s all the ridiculous talking points! It’s all the jew ass-kissing and, you know, “Never again!” and “We stand with Israel!”.

All the other nonsense you hear repeatedly from all the other politicians. It is very, very disgusting to watch and it just shows once again, you know, we’re never going to get anywhere unless we’re openly dealing with revisionism, with the fake “Holocaust” narrative. Unless we’re openly dealing with other controversial topics, like 9/11, for example. And, you know, the reality of race. I mean, we have to deal with these subjects as adults. And Alfred, I think you’re right. I mean, we’re at a moment in history where you can get on your phone, you can get on your internet. Get on, you know, get on your computer and discover the truth about all of these topics. You really can! You have the information, it is easy available to you.
You know, you’re going to be judged on how, you know, where you stand right now.

[70:51]

Alfred: Absolutely.

John: You know, what role are you playing and helping to expose these lies? Or are you going along with it? Or are you, you know, benefiting off of it, or are you facilitating this crime spree? That are are no excuses anymore.

Alfred: Yes. What you have to remember, those people who choose to keep their head in the sand are betraying all of our forefathers and they are betraying all of our children! This is a single moment in history and the lies are going through and for anybody to pretend not to understand, if you if you are still supporting the lies you are, either because you are a coward, or you are a traitor, or you are retarded! But the lies are going through. There’s no honor in pretending you don’t understand.

And that’s the whole thing, people have to understand. That you really will be hiding in shame by protecting the lies. Because no matter how much you think everyone else is going with the lie, no they’re not. People are waking up an incredible rate. Faster than ever before. This is an exponential curve, so I just tell people that if you want to be taken seriously by anybody in the future you’d better start speaking up loudly and clearly. Because we are taking note of who is pretending not to understand. And these people are shameful, just shameful, disgusting!

John: Yes sir! And it has to be emphasized we all have a role to play, every last one of us! You know, where, what role are you going to play? That’s what you need to ask yourself.

Alfred: Exactly!

John: So, yes, very good Alfred. I’m glad that you were able to come on the podcast and talk about some of your recent activities. So I mean, I guess, real quick, just to wrap up. Where do you currently stand? Are you basically waiting to go to court, or how’s year legal situation?

Alfred: They told me I have the obligation to get a lawyer. And then I had a good colleague of mine, a comrade, and he says he has a good lawyer for you, because if you don’t, if you let them give you one they’ll get some communist, or something and not really work for you.

But the thing is, I don’t think anything’s going to happen. They keep this in a state of limbo, because they know that they don’t really have a chance against us as a team. And we are a good team. Or they have to lock us up with some new law that they are going to bring in and do it like in the Soviet Union, basically. Throw us down a deep hole and kill us or something.

This is now at the point where they have to either, become extreme and just kill us, hopefully that will instill enough fear in other people to keep their mouths shut, but the truth is coming out, so I don’t know! Right now, I’m just enjoying life, I’m working like crazy, I’m talking to you about things I’m not allowed to talk about. But I don’t pay attention to somebody who tells me, you know, how to think, I don’t take him seriously. And that’s it! Like, I do not obey a law that is illegal, put it that way.

John: Right on. Well I admire you sir and I wish you the best. You’ll have to keep me and hopefully the audience posted on developments. Maybe we can do this again in a couple months and we’ll see where you’re at. And, you know, I agree with your optimism. I mean, I think that we’ve made a lot of progress. I think it’s still going to be a long struggle, obviously. But we have a very valid and terribly righteous cause and we shouldn’t be ashamed of it. And, you know, people got to get involved and you’re certainly doing your, you know, playing your part.

Alfred: Well thank you John! And I always say that you are also a shining light, a beacon of courage and initiative and that’s what we want to see more of. People need to support you, they need to do stuff themselves. Everybody has to start doing something! Doing nothing is just not good enough!

John: Yes I agree. OK Alfred, well, thank you very much for joining me this evening. I really do appreciate it. And yeah, we’ll have to do this again in the future.

Alfred: Absolutely! And the pleasure is all mine. Thank you very much John. Thank you.

John: All right, thanks everybody for tuning in. We will talk to you all very soon.

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The Realist Report Interviews TANSTAAFL — 2016 — TRANSCRIPT

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[After a year’s break from blogging and interviews TANSTAAFL returns with this interview with John Friend at his The Realist Report site. I consider TANSTAAFL to be one of the most insightful commentators on the jewish problem, and in this interview he doesn’t disappoint with his take on what’s being going on in our movement to expose and rid ourselves of the organized evil jewish cabal that dominates our societies.

Topics include; the ongoing jew war on Whites, the meaning of “conspiracy theory”, kikeservatives, Twitter, the jewsmedia, Trump, Bannon, (((the echo meme))), Alt-Right, Richard Spencer, Greg Johnson, Jared Taylor, Hitler and National Socialist Germany, and White racial consciousness — KATANA.]

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On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined once again by Tanstaafl of Age of Treason. To begin the program, Tanstaafl gives listeners an overview of what he’s been up to lately, including being banned from Twitter for making factual statements about Jews and their anti-White agenda. We move on to focus on the Jewish problem more generally, and the open and quite blatant war being waged on Whites by the organized Jewish community. We also discuss Trump’s election, the Alt Right, and related topics.

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TANSTAAFL — 2016

Published on Dec 8, 2016

TRANSCRIPT

[00:00]

John Friend: All right folks. Welcome back to another edition of the Realist Report. This is your host John Friend.

Joining me today is Tanstaafl, who maintains the excellent website Age of Treason. Tanstaafl is one of the most insightful and articulate commentators in the alternative independent media today, especially when it comes to the jewish problem. A topic that we will be discussing at length during this podcast.

Tan, thanks for joining me. How are you today, sir?

Tanstaafl: Good John. I’m just getting over a cold as you know. But feeling much better today.

John Friend: Well, you sound fine and, you know, if you’ve got to sneeze, or cough, or anything, …

Tanstaafl: I may! [laughing]

John Friend: … Just put yourself on mute and I’m sure we can deal with it.

Thanks for coming on the program. Last time you were on was actually a year ago, exactly. I was just looking at my website, and one year ago, today. Well, I guess when I post this program, which will be technically tomorrow, December 7th. You were on. And I had been wanting to interview you for a long time because I followed your work for a number of years and listened to pretty much all of your podcasts. And you’ve been a big influence in my thinking, especially when it comes to racial issues and, of course, the jewish problem.

So, just to get started, could you talk about what you’ve been up to lately? I know you were recently shoahed from Twitter. So you are no longer on Twitter, but I see you’ve been blogging a lot lately. So, why don’t you just tell us what you’ve been up to.

Tanstaafl: Well, yeah, I wouldn’t call it a lot. I’ve actually been pretty inactive for the last year. Actually, it started even before I talked to you last.

But, I’ve been active mostly on Twitter. I had stopped blogging so much. Before I had been in the habit of posting about once a week, once every couple of weeks, and it really dropped off to almost nothing.

But Twitter is, … It wasn’t because I was not paying attention to what was going on and didn’t have thoughts. It was just because I was expressing myself mainly through Twitter. Which is really a different form of media. It’s like, it’s been called a “micro blog”, and that is really a good description for it.

So, instead of writing these long posts on a blog, you write little snippets of thoughts that fit in 140 characters. And you can whip them off pretty quickly, and in response to lots of different stories. So it’s becomes addictive! You know, you’re sitting there paying attention to what’s going on in the news, what everybody’s excited about and you have some insight into it, or you just want to bring it to other people’s attention and you comment on it.

And the big problem with it, as I found out — I was well aware I was just wondering when it would happen — but I found out a couple of weeks ago right, you know, few weeks after the election. When Twitter decides that you’re too much of a problem, they can just delete your account and it’s as if you never existed.

So, I don’t really plan on going back, as useful as I found it. Most of the value was, for me, besides sharing thoughts with other like minds, was, … What I found on Twitter was that basically the enemy is using it as a communication platform. Very similar to what was uncovered back several years ago. I think 2012 election cycle. The journalist email list that they used to use back then — it might have been even 2008 cycle? I can’t recall now. It was quite a while ago.

But basically before Twitter existed, the jews and the jews media, and their fellow travellers, used to communicate with each other via a private email list, that was invite only. But it was a massive number of people. And when it was uncovered and the e-mails were shared by somebody, it was shocking to a lot of people. That these people were colluding and, you know, coming up with a shared narrative about how to deal with certain scandals that broke.

And we’ve seen it again in this election cycle with the Wiki Leaks thing, I mean there was there was a bit of that.

But every day on Twitter — and you don’t even have to have an account on Twitter — you can sign up. And the main reason to sign up is so you can make a list. But even if you don’t sign up for Twitter you can just go to these different accounts one by one and look at what they’re saying. It’s convenient when you make a list, because it basically mashes them all together. And that’s one of the first things I did after they kicked me off. I just created a dummy account so that I could create a list of all these jews media jews, so that I could see what they were chattering about, what they were screeching about today. And so basically it’s what they call that, “opposition research”? Sure, it’s very effective for that.

[05:00]

John Friend: Yeah and you can kind of see how they sort of collude to control the narrative in a way that advance specifically jewish interests. And it doesn’t matter if they’re on the Left, or the Right, you know, so-called Left and Right, you know, jews always operate and collude together to advance specifically jewish interests. And in many cases they’re very blatant and out in the open with it.

Tanstaafl: Yeah. You can see a difference between the Left and Right jews — the Conservatives and liberals — and how they kind of pose and posture, as opponents. But then on Twitter, you know, they’re part of a team. They’ll argue with each other on Twitter as well.

But, what I’ve noticed is this, and it was even before Twitter, of course, that I noticed this, but, on Twitter you can see it developing in real time. This cycle that they get into. This positive feedback cycle where one jew will start screeching about something that’s going on, … Steve Bannon is a good — the “Bannocaust” that I wrote about just recently — was a good example of what was happening just as I got kicked off of Twitter.

Some jew, I noticed, was saying:

“Steve Bannon, it’s incredible that he’s been appointed to this position of power. He’s a horrible anti-Semite!”

And then, other jews pick this up and they all start, you know, screeching in unison on Twitter! And this was all the day before it all came out in public stories that they wrote for their jews media corporations, and were actually published in papers and online zines, and so forth. That toned down that the jewish aspect of it for public consumption.

They, instead of describing Bannon as a horrible anti-Semite, they emphasized and said that he was a:

“White supremacist, White nationalist, racist, bigot, whatever!”

But you could see on Twitter, twenty four hours before that broke out in the mainstream media and took it to public attention, how they had colluded on this very jewish attitude about Bannon. And it was all about the jews from their point of view.

John Friend: Right. And it always is. And I was following that story, you know, when it first broke. And, as you said, they were, there were literally hundreds of articles about how Bannon was this anti-Semite, and a racist, and a leader of the Alt-Right, etc.

And I mean, even the ADL had to sort of come out and backtrack on all that and say:

“Well, you know, maybe this guy really isn’t an anti-Semite. But he’s still bad! Trump is still bad!”

So I mean, it’s just amazing how they, … Truly, I mean they are very delusional! These people are just totally delusional.

Tanstaafl: Well, it was very much like the “Hagelocaust”, back when Chuck Hagel was nominated for Secretary of Defense. I forget the year, it was couple years ago. Obama nominated him. And he was, you know, a centrist Republican, but kind of anti-war. And he had made statements in the past. One in particular sticks out in my mind that he had said that:

“I’m a Senator of the United States, not a Senator of Israel.”

When he was pushed on some issue about protecting Israel, or something.

And what happened when he was nominated, the same thing. The jews, basically in private, started making a stink about it and it rose and rose, the crescendo rose until it broke out into the mainstream media as these charges against Hagel. That he’s unfit for the job, he cannot do it!

Now in the end, Hagel got appointed and passed, but he first had to go and on bended knee, apologize to the jews for ever saying anything negative about them and promised that he was going to be the best Secretary of Defense for Israel, that he could be.

And that’s what I pointed out at the time was, you know, here are two groups of jews. There were jews for him and jews against him. But the basis for their argument was that he’s “good for the jews”. Both sides had a different opinion about it, but that was the basis, the common ground, that they were arguing on. It was totally jewish! And totally about what’s best for the jews, what’s best for Israel, not what’s best for United States. Even as a abstract idea.

And I saw the same thing with the “Bannonocaust”. It was a bunch of jews arguing about whether he was good, or bad for the jews.

John Friend: Right. And isn’t it amazing how, … I mean we see this all the time, you know, anytime anyone says anything even slightly critical of jews, or makes simple, basic, factual statements, about jews and their power and influence and their agenda, you know, that’s anti-Semitism to these people! That is paranoia and conspiracy theories.

And really, they’ve been so effective at preventing people from openly discussing their power and influence, even when jews themselves, openly write about it and openly talk about it.

[10:07]

I mean, this is something that you’ve been doing for quite a while, just, you know, quoting jews. And as you said, you go on Twitter and you see what they’re talking about. You see how they’re trying to frame issues, and how they’re colluding with other jews to frame things to advance specifically jewish interests.

And yet, if you notice these things, if you scholarly document them and comment on them, you’re:

“A hater. You’re paranoid. You’re delusional. You’re a conspiracy theorist!”

It’s really amazing! I mean, to me, it’s so amazing that they’ve been able to do this for so long and to prevent any, you know, rational inquiry, any rational discussion of the jews and of their power and influence. It really blows my mind! I mean, to me it’s so ridiculous and just childish that we can’t even openly talk about these things.

Tanstaafl: Well first of all, it is a conspiracy. They do conspire for their own interests, as a group. So, it’s kind of a bad joke that they have created this term “conspiracy theory” and associated it with people being insane, for basically, ….

What it means, “conspiracy theory”, this is a term, if it wasn’t coined by Karl Popper it was popularized by him in a paper years ago. Karl Popper is a famous jew philosopher. He’s also the source of this “Open Society” thing that George Soros pushes today. But, Karl Popper talked about conspiracy theory and I think — he was speaking in pretty coded language — but basically it means:

“The goyim know! Shut it down!”

John Friend: Right!

Tanstaafl: You know, in contemporary terms.

John Friend: Right!

Tanstaafl: Conspiracy theory is is the term that jews use and they use it every day. This is another term I see popping up on the jew Twitter, every day, multiple times. Any time they think that the goyim are becoming aware of something. They call that a “conspiracy theory”, right!

Now, us “goyim” think of the term in more general terms. That it just means any kooky theory, any stupid, crazy, theory that, you know, maybe goes off into the weeds of the details of some obscure, you know, maybe even unimportant thing. That’s what the term means to us.

But, it means that because the jews have imparted that meaning to it by implying that anyone talking about the jews specifically, but anything that even hints at it, or touches on the jews is a, quote, unquote, “conspiracy theory”..

The word conspiracy, it’s a legal term, it actually has a legal meaning. But it has a more, you know, … The legal meaning is that you actually, like two, or more people are actually planning to do something illegal. Right. That’s a legal conspiracy.

But, the term in common parlance just means doing something untoward, something, you know, negative, something bad. And it’s more loose. It doesn’t have to necessarily be illegal. And, in fact, the jews have so much power that basically what they do is legal! They’re able to do what they do, most of it, anyway, legally.

And what they focus on today — they’ve got so much power — is making what we do, illegal! So that we can’t even speak about what they’re doing, without it being defined as “hate speech”, and criminalized.

John Friend: Right! Exactly! And I mean, you know, on Twitter, I’m sure you were banned, in part, because you were making factual statements and observations about jews, and their very openly anti-White agenda.

Tanstaafl: Yeah it was the words, “kikeservative”, “faggot” [laughing] “nigger”. You know, I used a couple of different slurs that I probably could have got my message across, while avoiding them.

Although “kikeservative” I think is, I would defend that term, because even though, you know, most people might recoil at it. It is actually very descriptive word of what’s what’s going on. It’s more descriptive than “cuckservative”, which I’m also happy to use. But it’s a little too broad.

You know, a lot of people use the term “cuckservative” and they really, I don’t think that they appreciate the analogy that’s being implied there. That, you know, the cuckoo bird and parasitism, basically, that we talked about last time. And to call it “kikeservative” to call somebody who is basically serving the jews, a “kikeservative” really puts a fine point on, you know, on the word “cuckservative”. Instead of just calling them a cuck, which means that any nonwhite they might be serving, you know, it’s putting the focus more on the main non-White power that is actually puppeteering most of the other non-Whites. And sharing their playbook with them.

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John Friend: So, basically it’s a more precise analysis, a more precise definition of other cuckservatives, of these Republicans. And I mean, even, I guess, Democrats to a certain extent, literally selling out their own people to advance jewish interests.

And, of course, jews are behind all the other minority groups. They always organize them and, you know, fight for civil rights and all this other nonsense. That goes all the way back to the fifty’s and sixty’s they’ve been doing that. And we still see it today with illegal immigration, and transgenderism now, like homosexuality, …

Tanstaafl: “Black Live Matter” is a direct analogy. If you weren’t alive back during Civil Rights, you can see what’s happening with the Black Lives Matter thing. The kind of role that the jews play is to amplify and broadcast their message. And to put a positive spin on it. To put it out there, in front of people, in a sympathetic way.

If they don’t like something, like say, the Alt-Right, neo-Nazism or, you know, even just White Identity, they put it out there with a negative spin on it, and with obviously anti-pathetic attitudes, and psycho-pathologizing it, too.

You mentioned earlier, having to do with this, … Their tactics of how they deal with criticism. The main way they deal with criticism is to call it “crazy”! They call their enemies “crazy”! And they have specialized in this. I mean, Sigmund Freud is the first and most famous example, the most well known example that pops in the mind, but I’m sure it goes back further than Freud. And it’s certainly since Freud it has become the main tool.

I mentioned already Karl Popper in the “conspiracy theory” thing, but there’s a long history just in this past century of, for instance, the “Authoritarian Personality” from the Cultural Marxist, the Frankfurt School, Adorno, and company.

There’s the “Paranoid Style in American Politics” by Hofstetter who was half jew, a mischling. And then there’s the “Conspiracy Theory of Society” which was written by Popper.

And then, Cass Sunstein, more recently, wrote sort of an updated version of this conspiracy theory paper. Long piece, basically reiterating Popper’s point that, you know, when people come up with these theories about how certain small groups have too much control, and run the media, and run finances, you know, that’s what they mean when they say, “conspiracy theory”. And that is bad for the jews.

He doesn’t put it — neither one of them, Popper, or Sunstein — put it that plainly, but that’s what they’re talking about. And it really came to a point, …

John Friend: That sort of what it amounts to, …

Tanstaafl: At the end of Trump’s campaign.

When he had that infamous commercial. The jews really, drove them nuts! That last commercial he came out with, where he talks about the globalist elite and the globalist media and finance. And then put up at least three jews in the video. That’s why they were flipping out, because “that’s a conspiracy theory!” And you’re trafficking in anti-semitic tropes and conspiracy theories. It’s funny, they expose themselves, basically.

When somebody like Trump, who love the jews, or is a willing servant of the jews, a kikeservative in the true sense of the word. When they suspect that he is actually a secret anti-semite, that’s where it does come across that they are crazy! That they themselves are paranoid and crazy. And what they’re doing is projecting it on to us, when they call us crazy!

John Friend: Right.

Tanstaafl: It’s sick! It’s really sick!

John Friend: It is! And I mean, it’s so bad where now, and I mean, I guess this is been going on for a long time. I mean, literally they view any form of White racial consciousness as a delusional conspiracy. I don’t want to say “conspiracy theory”, but it’s “delusional, it’s irrational, it’s illegitimate”..

And yet they’d champion that, …

Tanstaafl: The jews are, …

John Friend: Right! But they’d champion that in everyone else, especially themselves, right? I mean, jews are very ethnocentric and very aware of their jewish identity, and are very proud of it. Which, I mean, is fine by me, but when they turn around and say anybody who’s White who does the same thing is crazy, and is hateful, and is a bigot. I mean, again, it’s just completely ridiculous!

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Tanstaafl: Well, it’s not ridiculous! It’s actually an attack. And that’s how it should be interpreted, as an offensive against Whites.

And that’s kind of the main point that I’ve been harping on for years now, but especially in this past year. The jew war on Whites!

And so many people kind of water it down, or see it in less extreme terms. But it isn’t really extreme, it’s just the honest, it’s the most honest way to describe what’s going on.

The jews are at war with Whites! Are warring upon Whites! Are aggressing against Whites! Are hostile to Whites! Are landing all of these blows against Whites!

And Whites are unwilling, unable, to respond!

The ones that do respond, respond violently. You know, a trickle of them. And then, what happens? You know, a lot of White people get up and say:

“Oh that’s horrible! Violence isn’t the answer!”

And something that, it really bugs me because the, … And I see it changing, so there’s hope that this is shifting now. Attitudes in the last two years, and partly because of Trump, and partly it was happening anyway, there is been a surge in “White consciousness”. Of White people waking up to the reality, as Richard Spencer puts it, that race is real, and race matters!

You know, I’ve been saying that stuff for years, but now a lot of people are starting to realize that that’s true! And that is the first step, is just having that basic, … When you say, you know, “racial consciousness”, there’s, I think of it, there’s two, they’re not separate, but they’re like different ends of the spectrum, … The first and most basic consciousness is just knowing that race is real, knowing that you have a race, a group, a larger group that you belong to. And there’s nothing you can really do about it, you’re part of that group, you’re born into it.

And feeling, you know, aware of that, on a day to day basis.

So, when you see people on television and they’re talking about something your first thought is:

“Well what is that person? Are they part of my group, or are they not part of my group?”

And jews – this is important – because, maybe we’ll get into this a bit later too, the way that jews posture and pretend to be White. And they feed us poison that way.

That’s how you can stop that from happening is by paying attention to who is saying what. And recognizing that this person I think I can trust them, they look like a member of my own group. And, you know what they’re saying makes sense to me. Versus this Krauthammer asshole! You know, I don’t like what he’s saying and he’s telling us, talking about going to war in the Middle East., you know, that doesn’t make any sense to me.

And when you start to understand who the jews are, and what’s been going on, and see it as a war, then you understand. Well, yeah, these jews are they are not us! And they see us as their main enemy!

John Friend: Right. They’re not us, and they openly say this and they’re openly hostile to our interests. And this is been made clear almost every single day! I mean, it’s very clear if you’re just paying attention.

And I’m glad you brought that up, this jewish war on Whites, this jewish war on Western civilization, and this White genocide agenda. That is what the jews promote, is White genocide!

Tanstaafl: White genocide agenda.

John Friend: And yeah, I mean, that is ultimately what it’s all about.

And I wanted to ask you, if you could maybe just summarize the “jewish problem” in a nutshell. And I mean, I guess that would probably be your answer [laughing]. If it’s not really a “jewish problem”, it is a “jewish war” on White people! And needs to be understood, in those explicit terms. Because that is what it is!

Tanstaafl: Yes, the “jewish problem” from a White point of view, is the problem that jews cause for Whites. And in the past it didn’t seem like it was so serious. It was like discomfort. It was that the jews cause problems. Maybe they cause some wars.

Well today, it’s pretty obvious that it’s an existential threat! That they are not going to be happy until Whites don’t exist anymore. They changed their attitudes round about the middle of last century, with the rise of the National Socialist regime. And they were fully exposed and that scared the shit out of them! And they changed tactics.

And now the agenda is to get rid of us, entirely.

And, you know, whereas before they were happy to just feed on us and they really maybe only had the power to feed on us in the past. But now, they’re they’ve actually got the upper hand with the media control that they have, the financial control they have. And all of these kikeservatives willing to do their bidding for them. That think they’re on the winning team.

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We’re on our backs and they’ve got their feet on our throats and they don’t, … Unlike Whites who foolishly feel sympathy for defeated enemies and let them up and help them out, jews don’t do that. Jews like to brag about how they’ve exterminated all of the people that they’ve ever come up against in their history.

You know, they describe themselves as victims of these people. That’s how they see themselves, and that’s how they justify offing this long list of civilizations that they’ve parasitized in the past.

But we are just the most recent one to them and they won’t think twice about just offing us! It doesn’t bother them in the slightest.

John Friend: Well, I think, if you if you look back, you know, the past hundred years, or so, jews, especially organized jewish community, and groups like the ADL, for example, the World jewish Congress, they are driven fundamentally by a desire to prevent any sort of White revolution, any sort of national socialist, you know, takeover of society. They’re trying to prevent what happened in Germany from happening anywhere else. And obviously they’ve been very effective all over the Western world.

And I think, I mean, I think that is really what drives them because, you know, the jews always had a lot of power and influence in Western society, you know, going back, I mean, really all throughout time. But now, as you said, they’re at a point where they literally control our societies in virtually every respect.

And Hitler’s Germany was a solution to that problem. I mean, they openly talked about these things. They were articulating them publicly. Your average German probably knew about these issues, and could explain it. And that’s what they fear!

Tanstaafl: Yes. Yeah, it was the first time that European man really, on a large scale, was aware of the jews, of the true nature of the jews. Saw them for what they are, and organized at a governmental scale against them! In self defense against the jews.

And ultimately it failed, because not enough other people outside of Germany were able to accept what the Germans had come to accept themselves, and were trying to make other people understand.

As you mention, the ADL and other jewish organizations, … The jews organize compulsively, and they communicate. They have meetings, you know, every day of the year! There is some jewish organization meeting, conspiring, to increase their control, increase their power. And not only in a positive way for themselves.

What a big part of what they do, especially organizations like the SPLC, the ADL, is they focus on suppressing our communication. This thing that Twitter did, not just, you know, I wasn’t the only one deleted, there were a whole bunch of people and accounts shut down. And there were many before that, but there was a big spate of them right after the election.

That was, no doubt, due to the puppeteering of the ADL. The ADL had several months earlier, insinuated themselves into the process of defining what should and shouldn’t be allowed and they finally, you know, dropped the hammer on that day, most of that week, when a bunch of people were kicked off.

So, you know, that’s the purpose of that particular organization is to sniff out anyone who is talking, any White people who are talking amongst themselves, and shut it down!

John Friend: Right. Yeah, exactly! And I’ve been following the Daily Stormer, they’ve been, [Andrew] Anglin has been covering this issue pretty well. And I mean, he’s been stripped from, what I understand, he’s pretty much banned as a person from even using Twitter.

But yeah, this is out in the open. There are clearly organizing to shut it down, as you said.

Do you think, I mean, what are your thoughts, like long term? Do you think that this is something that, I mean, are they going to be able to shut everyone down, you know what I mean? There’s a lot of people using Twitter and getting this message out. I mean, how far are they going to take this, do you think?

Tanstaafl: It will go farther. It’s been called, “the shuttening” this, not just Twitter, but the general idea. I kind of like the term, “the shuttening”, because it refers to the jew tendency to shut it down.

Facebook has always been like this. That’s why I didn’t, that is why I never bothered to even sign up for Facebook, because I knew that, Facebook doesn’t tolerate, doesn’t even, you know, maybe it makes some gestures about tolerating free speech and all that.

But Twitter made sort of a name for itself, early on, by being the free speech platform and that’s why I thought – it was still a risk – to invest any time in posting anything there. But, after the first few months when I saw that they weren’t banning people Left and Right, I kind of, you know, got comfortable there.

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And what we see is that, you know, that stuff can change. And that’s exactly what the jews agitate for and organizing and pressure people politically, behind the scenes, to shut these things down.

It’s going to get worse! What, the next step, I mean, besides other social media stuff like Gab that’s cropping up, you know, they’ll eventually come under the gun of the ADL and other jewish organizations. And they’ll probably cave as well, if they aren’t already a jewish organization, you know, anyway. Basically providing the Jews with information on all the people using their service.

All of these services will eventually get shut down.

And the next step beyond that, that I can foresee happening too, is that they’ll just remove the DNS entries. They may not be able to, it’s not cost effective for them to try and go to every ISP and get sites like mine, or yours removed. They have done that in the past, but it’s expensive, and it’s time consuming. And there are certain services that won’t delete the stuff. They won’t give in to the threats. So, the way they’ll they’ll deal with that is just by convincing the government, or whoever is controlling that the DNS system, to delist those sites, so they won’t be convenient to get to.

And so, you’ll have people sharing around the names and IP addresses of certain favorite sites and giving the technical details:

“Here’s how you get there.”

But it will drop dramatically reduce the ease of which people can get to our ideas. That won’t be a totally a bad thing because, you know, the harder they try to shut us down, the more obvious they make it, the more they expose themselves, expose their power, and expose how illegitimate their power is. That they pretend to be victims and they’re going around, there’s that famous saying:

“The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you!”

That is an eye-opening thing, when people who have been hearing about how criticism of jews is just crazy, for all their lives., actually, see jews behaving like wild animals, savaging people who are just mild mannered, and saying, you know, polite things, like Richard Spencer, they have something [that] snaps in their mind and they realize:

“Hey, wait a minute! Maybe the people who have been saying these things aren’t crazy?”

I know it happened for me, years ago. And over the last two years I’ve seen more and more testimonies from people in interviews, or just chatting online, where these are people who self professed a year ago:

“I was a liberal, a shitlib.”

Or whatever:

“I was just a normie!”

And in the course of being exposed basically to jewish shenanigans, they realize:

“This isn’t a joke! This is real! The jews really are in power. And they really are nasty!”

John Friend: Exactly! Yeah. Well, that’s really the big story of this past election season. Is just how clear this is all becoming. And, I mean, we’re seeing the media become discredited on a mass scale, which is huge. I mean, that to me has been the number one weapon that the jews have used to wage war against us. It’s largely been psychological.

I mean, they literally brainwash us with false history and pseudo science. You mentioned Freud and all these other con artists. And I mean, that’s really to me how they’ve been so successful, is controlling the narrative and weaponizing history and weaponizing our political discourse.

But this is all coming out in the open now. And it’s all being made clear. You mentioned the Trump campaign video where he doesn’t even mention the word “jew”! In the speech he made down in West Palm Beach Florida, where he was railing against, you know, the global interests, … Again, you know, he could have named the jew and it would have been a lot more accurate. But he didn’t even have to.

And the very next day, or even that night, you know, all these jews on Twitter, the ADL, they’re condemning this speech as, you know, trafficking in, quote, unquote, “anti-Semitic conspiracy theories” and all this other nonsense.

So I mean, these people are outing themselves! And to me, I don’t know how people can notice this. I mean, people are obviously noticing it, but it’s just they just can’t help themselves! I mean, these jews are just so delusional. They just cannot help themselves!

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Tanstaafl: Yeah, to a certain extent they can’t help themselves. It’s their nature to screech when they sense that they are being attacked. And they are hyper sensitive!

That’s why it’s hard for me to accept that jews are just innocently going along with somebody else’s agenda, that this isn’t a jewish agenda that’s killing Whites as a race. It’s impossible to believe, because the jews are so hyper sensitive to race and to what is good for survival of a group and what is bad. And they make sure that for their own group they have policies that preserve their group and that they push the opposite for us.

But you mention the narrative. And the jews, … I’ve pointed out before, the jews are sort of born storytellers, you know, from the Bible, which I think I mentioned in, “The Great Jewish Mask”. That book from about a hundred years ago. The jews are have been storytellers, their whole history. To the point where, the very history that they tell is a big lie, all the way back!

And today’s Hollywood. And White people in America, and globally too, I think, you know, they kind of understand this. They don’t like Hollywood. I mean, they may go to those movies and they may be thrilled by those things, but they also are kind of put off by it. It’s sort of like chewing on a poisoned Twinkie! It’s like, it tastes good, but it also, you feel sick to your stomach afterwards!

And that’s the kind of feeling that White people get when they look at the jewish media.

And Trump didn’t create that distrust, he just sort of exposed it. And he tapped into it. He saw, he’s very perceptive in sensing what it is that, … Well, first of all, that White people weren’t being pandered to, weren’t being served by previous candidates. And that’s the path, basically, that was the key to his electoral strategy, and the key to his victory ultimately was to tap into that by talking about White issues. What the Leftists call “dog whistling”. And it just means speaking in code. When politicians speak in code to get White votes.

I’ve made the point before, that if a politician has to speak in code, that’s kind of a disadvantage, you know, because Trump is a good example. He spoke explicitly to blacks about what he was going to do for blacks! And he said, you know, I’m going to basically poor lots of money and lots of attention on the inner city, you know, talking directly to blacks.

And similarly to Hispanics, and Latinos, and to jews! He spoke explicitly about how well he was going to serve them and their interests!

And he did not speak, at all, during the campaign, he never said the word, “White” that I’m aware of and never in a positive context like:

“I love White people! I’m a White person and I’m going to make sure that White people are well served by my administration.”

But he did speak about jobs. I think in the past, it was called, “Nixon’s Southern Strategy”.

This time around they’re going to start to call it, I think, “Trump’s Rustbelt Strategy”, because he did, basically the same thing. He talked to Whites, indirectly, but still in a language that they understood. That:

“Hey this guy gets it. He’s going to do things and have policies that address our concerns. This country is changing. We don’t like the new normal.”

But my point is, my overall point is that, I think most White people just they don’t see the jews, they don’t understand the jews as a threat. They think that’s crazy! They, I mean, they’ve heard people say it, but they think that is discredited idea, it’s a conspiracy theory, it’s not true! And it’s largely, because that’s what the jews say! The jews have control over the media, they pump out that message twenty four seven, that it’s crazy to think anything bad about the jews:

“Only stupid people do that!”

And they present alternatives. They:

“Here, blame these people instead! Blame White people! It’s really White privilege! It’s not that the jews are too privileged. It’s White privilege!”

And so, it’s a mix of techniques that they use. But it’s also easy to understand, once the scales fall from your eyes and you stop thinking of the jews as these innocent, this innocent powerless minority, and start to see them for what they really are.

Then it all makes sense! Things that in the past you might have thought that:

“It’s odd, like the poison Twinky thing, but I don’t really understand why? Why would Hollywood serve up poisoned Twinkies?”

It’s:

“Why do they do that?”

Well, once you realize Hollywood is controlled by jews, it was created by jews, and they manipulate your thoughts. They actually define what is good and what is bad, just as they have ever since the Bible, it all make sense.

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John Friend: Right! You know and isn’t it just so sad that Trump, you know how many times had it has he been called a racist and a bigot? And, you know, he’s promoting hatred and all this other nonsense. And yet as you said, he never, and to my knowledge as well, he never once, you know, said:

“I’m White.”

Or said:

“I’m championing White interests!”

He never once explicitly said that.

Although, I agree, I think he did use some, you know, coded language that, you know, people kind of read between the lines. And yet he’s openly saying how he’s going to do this for the black community. He’s going to help the Mexicans. He’s going to help the immigrants. I mean, it’s just so sad!

This is a country founded and built by White people! And we can’t even talk about that! We can’t even talk about White interests. Thanks to the jews! Thanks to the jews’ control of the narrative!

Tanstaafl: Yeah. Well, they’re the ones who created this environment and, as I like to say, “anti-racism” is a jew construct! It serves their interests, and they were the ones who promoted the idea that race is just a “social construct”, and racists are the worst people on the planet! You know, blame the “racists” for all the problems!

And, anyway, “racist” is really just a euphemism for “Whites” anyway. When you hear somebody call somebody a racist, the best way to understand that, is to call him a White person!

And it’s similar during this election, the jews in the jews media were using the word, the term, “Trump supporter”, in that way. “Trump supporter” and with venom, you know, means White person!

John Friend: Yeah, exactly!

Tanstaafl: That’s why they hated Trump! And that’s why they hated Trump supporters, because they were White! Not, you know, they never talked about black, or non-White supporters of Trump, except maybe in terms of racial treason, you know, that they were betraying their own kind by siding with Trump and the evil racists!

John Friend: Well, going back to, you know, we are talking about Hitler and National Socialist Germany, and how the jews just absolutely fear that sort of movement coming to power ever again. They viewed these rallies, with thousands of White people chanting and cheering for Donald Trump. This is what they saw! They saw National Socialism all over again!

Tanstaafl: Although they made a video, that was really good, early on, and intended it to discredit Trump by comparing, side by side, snippets of Trump speeches and then snippets of Hitler speeches. And they went back and forth between the two, drawing these parallels. This was maybe in January of last year, earlier this year. And it flopped!

Because, what happened, the reaction was, for most of these Trump supporters, was:

“Hey! I agree with what Trump is saying. And I didn’t know that Hitler said these things too! Maybe this guy Hitler isn’t such bad guy?”

John Friend: Right! [John laughing]

Tanstaafl: They yanked that commercial right away! And it’s true that there are parallels! It’s because you cannot oppose the jewish agenda, in any way, without upsetting the jews!

And whether you recognize it is a jewish agenda, or not, whether you call it a jewish agenda and are conscious of it, or not, the jews know it’s a jewish agenda! And that’s why they go berserk!

John Friend: Yeah.

Well, I want to talk about Trump in the Alt-Right, and sort of what’s happened really over the course of the past year.

To start off, I mean, do you think, … Trump has to be, he has to be aware of the Alt-Right? I mean, he obviously is, he gets asked about it all the time. But I mean, do you think that he’s following what’s going on? Do you think he’s wise to some of these issues at all?

Tanstaafl: In the sense that any politician is, I think, it was Joe Sobran said many years ago, that in order to even survive at the highest levels of government and media in this country, you have to be aware of the jews! Because you have to have some sense of what you’re allowed to say and what you’re not allowed to say.

And so, you know, every couple of months there is some celebrity, or another, I can’t remember his name now. Gary Oldman in Hollywood, who said something in a Playboy interview about how rotten the world is getting to be. And then he switched right immediately to how the jews control Hollywood and [laughing] making sort of the indirect connection, that the world is so terrible, because these jews are putting out a terrible vision of the world! And he got slapped down right away!

And that’s basically how the jews make sure that everybody knows who controls, not just Hollywood, of course, and if you want to work in the media you’ve got to make sure you don’t ever say anything like that about jews. You don’t talk about jewish power.

But also in the government. Can’t think of a, … Well the “Hagelocaust”, and the “Bannonocaust”, are good examples of them doing something similar in government, where they actually trumpet the fact that there are jews there.:

“We’re jews! And we’re upset about, ..! We’re offended by this, and this guy is disqualified! Because jews!”

You know, they make it so explicit! It’s like it’s as if they have veto power! An unwritten line in the Constitution that says:

“The jews have actually the first veto over any nominee!”

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John Friend: They have effectively have though! They’ve basically been able to get away with whatever they want, for so long!

Tanstaafl: Well, in the end Hagel and Bannon are examples of where they screech very loudly and they didn’t get what they want in the end. But then again the guy that they were screeching about, they were totally exaggerating. You know, they were making it out like this was the next Hitler. Trump is another good example of this. Where, you know, he’s not.

None of these guys are willing to stand up against the jews. Now maybe the jews suspect that they would be, if other people also stood up at the same time. And in a way it’s a sort of shit test. Besides, you know, the “Saul Alinsky” effect of, you know, focusing on one enemy at a time and vaporizing them. And letting that be a lesson to everybody else.

It’s a shit test! It’s to basically flush out any resistance:

“Any other takers? Anybody else want some of this?”

That’s the kind of attitude that, I don’t know if they have it consciously, but that’s what’s the challenge to everybody else around when they see somebody being savaged in public.

Another one was that I wrote about was Tom Perkins, that billionaire. Who couple years ago made some comment about the one percent that the Occupy Wall Street rhetoric against the one percent. [It] reminded him of the jews and Kristallnacht. And how the one percent might be genocided!

And a bunch of jews made it clear to him, that being rich is not anything to be worried about. You know, it’s really, you know, that’s a special jewish term of warfare, as you mentioned “weaponized terms”. You know, “Kristallnacht” is one of those proprietary jewish weaponized terms that only jews are allowed to use. And only for the purposes of advancing jewish interests.

And so, Tom Perkins is only a mere billionaire! And so, he was shut down right away.

John Friend: Yeah, and we see this when, you know, people invoke the Holocaust, you know, for the wrong reasons and the jews get all upset and say:

“No you can’t do that! It’s only for us!”

Tanstaafl: Yes!

John Friend: You know, I mean, there’s other examples as well. But again, I mean, it’s just their control, their power, their influence is largely, … And the way they’re able to frame things, the way they’re able to control the narrative, control the discourse. And I think that is, you know, sort of breaking down and being eroded slowly. And it’s been spent taking place over time.

But, I think this election and to what Trump has done, has really been a huge boost to that.

And you had sent me an e-mail with some links here and I want to go over one of them, in particular. The Real Clear Politics, where Kellyanne Conway, and I think it was Clinton’s campaign manager. They were having like a discussion after the election.

And the Clinton campaign was saying, and they were saying this all throughout the campaign, that Trump is, you know, “mainstreaming”, quote, unquote, “hatred”! And we saw all sorts of jewish journalists talking about how Trump was, “mainstreaming anti-Semitism”..

There’s a quite revealing article published by Yair Rosenberg, who is one of these jews on Twitter that was going nuts when they had the “echo meme” going on.

Tanstaafl: Yes.

John Friend: And he was openly, you know, he had the (((brackets))) around his name and whatnot. And he wrote this article a couple months ago titled, I can’t remember the exact title, but is basically, “A vote for Trump is a vote for mainstreaming anti-Semitism!”

And his argument was that the Alt-Right has been so energizing, has gained so much traction, because of Trump and, because of the Trump campaign and what he’s done and how he’s criticizing the media. And how he’s criticizing the establishment and it’s stance on immigration. And political correctness and so many other important issues. And I think all of that is true, although I don’t know if Trump himself was attempting to do that.

Tanstaafl: No.

John Friend: I think it was really the Alt-Right, who sort of seized the moment, seized the opportunity. Guys like, to his credit, Andrew Anglin, and the guys at “The Right Stuff dot business”. You know, other people on Twitter and whatnot. [They] really just seized this opportunity and seized the moment, to get their voices out there, to get their message out there. And I think it’s been very effective!

And, I mean, that’s what this whole argument was about! Was:

“Look, the Trump campaign is giving a platform to the Alt-Right. It’s giving a platform to, quote, unquote, ‘White supremacists’!”

And I think that is true to a certain extent, although I don’t think that is the goal of the Trump campaign, at least not obviously, not explicitly.

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Tanstaafl: No. I think Trump, and I’ve said this before, it was my earlier assessment of him and it still holds. I think he just wanted to be president. He had that ambition for decades and he finally fulfilled it. And he basically promised to himself, I think mainly, that it would be no holds barred. That he would do whatever he needed to do to get it done.

And there’s a story about that with Jared Kushner, and, you know, the Electoral College, and basically what I call the “Rust Belt Strategy”. Where, you know, in order to become President, he needed to say these things to White people, to appeal to White people and get their votes, and get the Electoral College votes that he would need to win. To overcome the non-White votes in other States.

Other people talked about that, but there hasn’t been much emphasis put on the fact that it was Jared Kushner that actually kind of organized that effort, or at least lead it, and headed it up. That was in that Forbes interview, or the Forbes article about him.

John Friend: Right. Now, a question for you. So, I mean, obviously it was a very successful campaign strategy to play on these issues. But do you think that Trump was genuine? Because, to me he seems very genuine about all of these issues!

Tanstaafl: He genuinely wants to be President, to the point where he will put up with all the shit! He’s, as he said many times at his rallies:

“You know, I didn’t have to do this! I could have lived a comfortable life!”

It really was a grueling thing! You know, I watched, night after night of him doing these rallies, and I just thought:

“God! He’s much older than I am!”

John Friend: He’s seventy, I think he seventy years old!

Tanstaafl: He’s a dynamo! I mean, you’ve got to give him credit for just being an incredible work horse!

And he put up with all that stuff. I think he went into it knowing that it was going to be bad, but I don’t think he appreciated how bad it was going to be.

He also basically called out the media early on, and especially toward the end, as the enemy and really played on that. Although that was part of his appealing to White people.

What I wanted to say, was, that I’ve kind of left unsaid here all along, is that Whites are desperate for a leader to say positive things! To give them a positive vision for the future! To the point where even the kind of lukewarm stuff that Trump served up.

You know, the jews painted it as the next holocaust, but it was really, it’s stuff that in Reagan times, in the 80’s, this was just what the norm was!:

“You have a country. You have borders. You have laws against people coming in your country illegally. And you have elected officials that are at least ostensibly supposed to be out for the best interests of that country, and it’s citizens.”

That was the understanding in the 80’s. And before that, it was even better.

You know, National Socialist Germany, it was a racial understanding of nationhood.

But even in the 80’s we still had the tatters of a countryhood and a civic nationalism.

Well, Trump is just, you know, basically resetting by about twenty years, the attitude about nationalism. And that is too much for the jews! But, White people have this instinct and this desire to have somebody speaking for them and that’s why they gravitated to Trump, that’s why they were attracted and put signs in the yards and went to all his rallies.

That’s why it was so easy to see that Trump could win if he was going to continue to speak to Whites the way he was. And not give in to the jews media’s pressure to geld himself, to reign himself in, to stop saying these politically incorrect things, that he would win! And he did win!

And my fear, my greatest fear has always been, not whether Trump would win, or not, it’s been, you know what is he going to do once he’s in?

And I think the most likely thing – it’s kind of a black pill, or negative thing – but I think he’s going to go along with the shuttening that I was talking about earlier. I think he’s going to be, maybe even critical to, … He’ll be the proud signer of Bills illegalizing in hate speech, illegalizing criticism of jews and Israel. Because that’s kind of who he is.

I mean, he’s prided himself, and I think a lot of the reason he was able to take all this withering criticism, that he’s a horrible anti-Semite, a racist, a bigot, is he knows in his heart that he isn’t! At least that’s how he sees himself, that:

“No! I don’t judge people on the color of their skin. I don’t do these things!”

So, you know, it rolls off his back when they say these things about him, because in his own mind, he’s comfortable with who he is.

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John Friend: Right. Yeah! Gosh! I really hope Trump, doesn’t go along with that whole agenda! I mean, it would be totally contrary to, you know, pretty much everything he said, especially as it relates to political correctness.

But I mean, who knows? We’re just going to have to wait and see. I think that’s the main thing, is we really, …

Tanstaafl: I think we’ve seen already! He’s a lifelong kikeservative! He’s, for his whole life, and he brags about this, you know. He’s basically in bed with the jews! His family is intermarried with them, and, you know, there’s not much he can do about that at this point, except go along with them.

And so, when they come to him at some point in his first term and say:

“We’ve got to have this legislation against hate speech. It’s crazy out there for jews. And don’t you care about the jews?”

And that’s part of why the jews screech so much about things like Bannon, about how horrible an anti-Semite Trump is, in order to influence him to do the opposite. To prove that he’s not a racist! To prove that he’s not an anti-semite! And so that, he will do things, like sign legislation that favors them.

John Friend: Yeah, … That would not be good! [laughing] I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens. But I mean, like, for example, with immigration. I mean, do you think he genuinely means everything he said?

Tanstaafl: Yes.

John Friend: Yeah, that’s that is the thing! I think, to me he, I mean, you know, I’ve sort of explained this in previous podcast and what not, but I mean, … I think that everything that he said, all of his campaign promises all of the main issues that he ran on, I think that he really does mean these things, and he really does feel this way about immigration, for example. About trade. About, you know, political correctness run amuck, and all this other stuff. And he was basically, to me, it almost seems like he was surprised at how far he got, right?

Like, I don’t think he went into this thinking that he would be this successful. And I think at the very beginning when he announced that he was running and he gained all this traction and gained all this popularity. To me, it was almost as if he wasn’t expecting that, he wasn’t prepared for it.

Tanstaafl: No! I don’t agree with that, I think that he was!

I think he knew it would be a long slog. And he went into it just confident in his own ability to do it. And his willingness, basically like I said, to pull no punches and to do whatever he needed to do to get the job done.

And I think that mainly, if he had any doubt about it, it was only, because that’s basically the effect of the media. The media was constantly saying, right up until the end, how he was losing in the polls, how, you know, it was like every week this:

“He just did this! And that’s a deadly gaffe! He can’t be president, now!”

And they did that for a year and a half! And every day they were constantly telling people in all the polls, … You know, they totally discredited themselves.

And then, of course, right after the election happens, there was a little brief interlude of shock and silence. And then they immediately started going back to the polls.:

“The polls say this! The polls say that!”

And, you know, it’s the same lying media quoting the same skewed polls.

That is also something even Hitler noticed, and wrote about in Mein Kampf. You know, how you can argue with a jew one day and just totally squash him, and then the next day he come back and the jew’s making the same arguments again, as if it never happened.

John Friend: Right. Well, you know, you had mentioned this about Trump. That the amazing thing is that really everything that he’s saying is, I mean, it’s really not even that controversial at all, right? I mean, he’s basically making just common sense arguments when it comes immigration, when it comes to trade. But our society has gone so far downhill that these things are very radical all of of sudden, especially to the elites running our society.

Tanstaafl: Yeah, …

John Friend: When really nothing he’s saying is that, is really that revolutionary, or that radical, even at all.

Tanstaafl: Well, it’s radical in, … The main sense it’s radical is that he’s talking in terms that White people like. And even the jews media basically puts it that way:

“You know, the KKK endorses him! KKK loves what Trump just said!”

Or, you know:

“The Nazis loved, ….”

And that’s their measurements of whether something is good, or bad, is if racially conscious White people like what they’re hearing from Trump, that’s bad! I mean, it goes back to basically to what I think is the core moral understanding of this current jew run regime.

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It’s an anti-White, pro-jew regime, first of all, at heart! And the basic morality of it is:

“Whites are bad! Whites are evil! And non-Whites, with jews being the first and foremost of the non-Whites, are good!”

And that’s the sort of skeleton key by which you understand everything else that is happening.

So, when Trump ran on, you know, right from the get go, talking about immigration in a negative way, that was a no-no! That’s, you know, been banished! They thought they had basically done away with that! It was to the point, …

The big surprise at this election, because Trump won the Electoral College the way he did by going after White voters in the middle of the country. It surprised them, because they thought they had basically sewn that up. They had made that illegal to talk about, if not technically illegal, they had made it politically incorrect, you know, “semitically incorrect” really, to even discuss anything that White voters wanted to hear.

And polling was used in the years between the elections to basically downplay any concern about immigration, or jobs, or anything like that.

And they tried to do that through the election and basically, I think, Whites were just too fed up. They liked what they were hearing from Trump and so they voted for Trump, and now he’s in.

But there are some contradictions in what Trump says. I mean, listen to what he says about war, about ISIS and war. He’s against Iraq. He basically says things to different groups of people that can be heard in whatever way you want, that you like. And war is a good example of this where, you know, he was famously against the Iraq war and part of the way he defeated Jeb Bush during the primaries was by pointing out that the Iraq war was a disaster, and Jeb’s brother was responsible for that disaster.

You know, that’s one thing there is, of course, Trump didn’t mention the jews, who had basically organized and pushed for that war, and are the real people who are responsible for that.

But, you know, he also then makes these saber rattling comments about ISIS!:

“We’re going to destroy ISIS! And we’re going to build the biggest military! We’ve got to be a rich country!”

He was just saying today:

“We’re got to be a rich country again, because we’ve got to basically build up our military and pay for all these veterans!”

And that’s kind of at odds with, I guess it goes, it echoes Reagan again. You know, that’s the idea that you’ve got to be strong and warlike, ready to do war in order to prevent war.

And I think that’s poppycock! It’s basically, you know, the history of war at least amongst Europeans, for the last two, three hundred years, what you could see as one giant European civil war, fighting amongst ourselves, has been at the behest of jews! And certainly profited by the jews, and the White race has lost!

I have said before that the White race lost World War Two and the jews won. But it’s bigger than World War Two. It’s every war before that, at least back to the French Revolution and probably beyond. And every war since World War Two has been for jewish, globalist, corporatist, interests, if not directly for Israel, and attacking Israel’s neighbors.

John Friend: Yeah. I totally agree with you.

Tanstaafl: In that respect [garbled]… For Trump. And he’s put now this Mad Dog Mattis and Pompeo …?

John Friend: Oh yeah. I know who you are talking about. The guy, that’s the guy that’s going to be running the CIA? It’s like Pompeo, or something like that?

Tanstaafl: Yeah. Now these guys are “tough guys”, you know, they’re, … And oh, it’s Flynn, is the other one, that he’s going to make part of his administration, in some capacity.

And, you know, the problem is that they’re strident. They think Muslims are the problem, and Muslims are a problem. But they wouldn’t be a problem if you kept them out of our country. And we don’t need to go and put boots on the ground all around the world to fight Muslims! The only reason we do that stuff is, because jews run our government. Jews are the targeting system for this highly capable, highly technical, highly expensive, military that the US has.

White Americans often slip into this:

“Our military, our government!”

Way of speaking, of thinking about things. And it isn’t really true. It’s not ours! I mean, it’s us filling the ranks, it’s White people in the military giving their lives, doing the dirty work. But it’s really jews in the Pentagon and at the highest levels of government advising Presidents on these wars and instigating these wars.

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John Friend: Yeah. Advising them, formulating the policy, crafting the narrative. All explicitly to advance jewish interests and to advance Zionist interests in the Middle East! There’s no doubt about that.

Well I agree with you. I mean pretty much everything you just said I totally agree with.

I mean with Trump, I want to believe that he’s going to be this great President. And do all these great things and really get us back on the Right track. But I understand your concerns. I hope you’re wrong about the whole, you know, free speech thing I mean. Oh my gosh! I would that would just be devastating!

Tanstaafl: I would really like to be pleasantly surprised. That’s why I’m kind of pessimistic about it. But I’m also, you know, there’s precedent for this. This is is not the uncharted territory that everybody seems to like to think it is.

Ronald Reagan is a pretty good precedent for what Trump has done and what Trump and what we can expect from Trump. This is something that White politicians, this dog whistling thing, is something that they’ve been doing for decades.

Ever since World War Two when White leaders basically abandon the field and stopped thinking and talking in terms of race, at least explicitly, they have realized that they can win White votes by just sort of talking code to Whites. Saying what Whites want to hear and that Whites are pretty desperate for because we have nobody since, maybe McGovern. And even George McGovern wasn’t, … Was it McGovern? I can’t recall it. But back in the sixty’s, you know.

John Friend: George Wallace?

Tanstaafl: Right. And George Wallace wasn’t even sincere about it. He was just doing it. He was willing to say it out loud. Whereas other politicians around him weren’t even willing to say it out loud. But Wallace, afterwards – I forget where I read about this – basically admitted he wasn’t sincere.

And I know Trump isn’t sincere. He’s not a sincere racist. He doesn’t think in racial terms. He just thinks in “anti-racist” term. So I don’t have much optimism.

John Friend: Well, what do you think about the Alt-Right and sort of what’s been happening on that front? I mean to me, ultimately until we’re talking about the jews and recognizing them as a racial enemy, until we’re thinking in racial terms, we’re really never going to truly solve any of these problems.

And I think the Alt-Right has been effective in at least getting that message out, and getting more people on board with these ideas.

So I think clearly that’s where the change is going to come. It’s not going to come from Trump, it’s going to come from people like us who are willing to talk about these things.

Tanstaafl: Yeah it’s bigger than the Alt-Right basically. The jews media before they were attacking the Alt-Right, they attacked White people generally. And I made the point early in Trump’s campaign that basically their rhetoric, their anti-White rhetoric would have been the same even if Jeb Bush had won the nomination and was the candidate for the Republicans.

They’ve been doing it for at least the 2008, 2012 cycles. Jews writing editorials about how the Republican Party is the “White party”, and they should be ashamed of that. And they should do something to reach out to minorities. They’ve been doing it for a long time now. So that’s nothing new.

What’s new is the Alt-Right. And this basically self identification. It’s a label basically for this rising awareness that, ….

I made the analogy when I was talking to Kyle Hunt about this that it reminded me of the Tea Party. It’s basically the Tea Party 2.0. But it is an improved version. It’s a more aware version.

I saw the Tea Party when it was happening, when it rose up in 2008, 2009 in the wake of the election of Obama, as a step towards racial consciousness. Although it was still full of all of these people that were saying:

“Oh no! I’m not a racist! Look at this black guy that I respect and want to hear speak. I’m just for constitutionalism and low taxes.”

But it was a rebellion of sorts. And it was triggered by the election of Obama. And throughout the last eight years it’s sort of been co-opted and defanged, and the energy has dissipated.

The Alt-Right was sort of a return. And this time with a more explicit understanding that the problem, the conflict is racial! And that at the heart of it are the jews!

And the people that see that most clearly are even beyond Alt-Right. But, the people who self identify as Alt-Right at the best part of it, at least get that it’s race. And you can’t avoid the jewish question, the jewish problem. Beyond that is, you know, National Socialism and a true understanding that’s beyond Alt-Right.

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But then they have this Alt-Light phenomenon the other end of the spectrum, of people who are just ordinary White people who are basically realizing something’s wrong here:

“This Trayvon Martin stuff, this Mike brown stuff, Black Lives Matter. Muslims blowing themselves up every now and then, killing lots of Europeans, or Americans. Something’s wrong! And oh, by the way, you know, all our jobs are gone. Our country, while is being hollowed out, none of our government officials seem to care about us! They care more about protecting immigrants and making safe spaces for them, and sanctuary cities for them!”

And then they hear about this Alt-Right stuff. And so they’re basically flocking to the light, and they get exposed to basically the truth about what’s going on.

And that’s how I see the Alt-Right as fitting into this.

The name Alt-Right, a lot of the people associated with that in the early days, and really when that was founded it, bug me, because they’re very weak on the jewish problem, and recognizing that the jews are at war with Whites. They kind of tend to be – I’m thinking now of Richard Spencer. But also his two partners originally at the Alternative Right Website that he started up, and who continue to be kind of associated with the Alt-Right, and critics of it.

They’re soft on the jews! You know, they talk about the symptoms. And Trump in a way is like this too. He’ll talk about the symptoms, but he won’t name the jews. And there’s a lot of Alt-Light type people, same thing! They’ll talk about what they see as wrong with society. But when it gets to:

“What’s causing it? What’s at the root of the problem?”

They kind of dance around that issue. And that’s really what defines this spectrum of Alt-Light to Alt-Right to, on beyond, you know, National Socialism, and beyond.

John Friend: Yeah, I agree with you! And I mean, I like Spencer. I like what he says. I think he makes a lot of good points. I do think you’re right though in that, at least from what I can tell, he hasn’t really been particularly as hard hitting on the jewish problem as say you, or I would. And I think it is key. I think it’s absolutely central to everything! But at the same time he doesn’t back down on it. He doesn’t deny it, or something like that. Which is fine… I mean, I like Spencer. I like what he’s doing.

And I wanted to get your take on the whole thing that happened at the recent NPI Conference, [Tan laughs] and how that’s kind of, … I don’t want to say “divided the Alt-Right”. But sort of made it very clear like:

“Look the Alt-Right is a racist, you know, anti-semitic movement!”

And like this does need to be made clear and needs to be made explicit. And I think Spencer has handled it very, very, well actually.

Tanstaafl: Yes. Let me make myself clear on Spencer.

First of all, I don’t dislike him. And I don’t distrust him even. I think that he’s basically a White man standing up for White interests, and he’s doing it in public. He has all my respect. I was listening to him, watching him, at Texas A and M, earlier this evening.

And while there are some things that I thought he was weak about. In particular the way he was describing things it was sort of like:

“Well, we just sort of got here.”

How did we get into this mess was never really something that he grappled with. And none of the questions that I saw anyway, …

John Friend: He probably never explicitly said:

“Look, jews did this!”

I don’t [chuckling] mean like that!

Tanstaafl: I don’t think he thinks that, so, …

John Friend: Yeah, exactly!

Tanstaafl: He does think that White White people are sort of:

“All powerful and omnipotent. And if we just get our shit together then we can do anything we want!”

And I kind of agree with that. I think it’s the problem is in our heads. That we if we decide that we want to do something we organized to do it. We can kick ass! But it’s still going to be a battle! It’s not like there’s no opponent. And that’s what bothers me about the “soft on the jews” point of view, is it basically is ignorant of, or is ignoring this giant competitor that we have! That, at the moment, has us on the defensive and basically prostrate. It’s not the right way to actually go about fighting.

But back to Spencer. He comes across as a very likable guy, you know, personable. He’s very articulate and he gets it. I think he’s aware of the jews, and he’s learning. I think I’ve seen basically a progression over the years in his attitudes and his recognition that:

“Yeah. This is serious!”

Sometimes he’s a little bit too jocular about it, you know, sarcastic, or whatever. But basically he’s being a leader. He’s trying to get out there and get in people’s faces, and raise White consciousness. And he’s a he gets all my respect for doing that.

But as far as the NPI conference, the “Heil Gate”, the “Heil Trump” and all that, and people giving the Roman salute. I think it says more about the people who freaked out about that and immediately surrendered [chuckling] in reaction to that! Or basically thought that was some sort of like telling, self-defeating! Greg Johnson’s reaction was particularly hysterical.

John Friend: I missed his! Was he freaking out about it?

Tanstaafl: Yeah. It’s pathetic. It was like thirteen, fourteen, minutes of him basically just with a womanly attitude about the whole thing.

And I’ve made this point before, going back to the Dylan Roof thing. Is if people don’t like what’s happening you can always keep your mouth shut! If you think that the something is bad, instead of being basically negative and undermining. You could just be quiet.

And people are going to say the same about me, that I could just keep my mouth shut about the stuff. And I even say it about myself. That I someone who’s involved with, married to a woman whose father was jewish. I have no moral standing, no right, to speak to White people about what they should, or shouldn’t do, or lead White people. But I’m sorry! Seeing people using the Roman salute, saying:

“Heil Trump!”

What bugs me about that mostly is the disrespect towards the actual National Socialists who are best known for that, and who deserve respect, not mocking, not a joking attitude, a sarcastic attitude about it.

I took it as though the guys, at least some of them who were doing it, were serious. They were excited! They liked what they were hearing. And it’s great when somebody can stir up a crowd like that. That’s of a positive thing! That’s exactly why the jews try to psychopathology that:

“That only crazy, stupid, evil, haters do that kind of thing! And you shouldn’t do that!”

And to see people, long term people, who know better like. Greg Johnson, get so disturbed by it. It’s demoralizing [chuckling] to see that happen!

He cited as evidence that, or maybe not as evidence, but it’s just sort of like the people who inspired him were people like Mike Cernovich, and Vox Day, and who’s the other the jew who does who’s the philosopher? Molyneux. All Alt-Light people who aren’t pro-White, who are part jews, or jews. Vox Day likes to brag about he’s tri-racial.

I mean, if I got no standing to talk about things, then they certainly don’t. And why is Greg Johnson even concerned.

I don’t even know what I’m talking about Greg Johnson! I wasn’t even going to write about it, or talk about it. It’s a sort of when you ask me my reaction about that Heil Gate thing, the reaction from White people, and especially White so-called leaders, or Alt-Right type people, is telling.

I agree with the people who have said this has exposed some cucks, and maybe will scare them off. And that’s a good thing! Go away!

Race is real! It’s about race. And the jews are at the heart of it!

And you’re not going to be able to just:

“Step over the ‘Holocaust’!”

To be able to:

“Step over the Nazis.”

And call them the:

“Old Right.”

And say that:

“We don’t associate with those ideas.”

Because as that whole Trump campaign made clear, you can basically be a servant to the jews, and if you talk about things that the jews don’t like they’re going to call you a Nazi and Hitler anyway! Because in a sense you are! If you advocate anything that’s healthy for White people, in any way, even if at the same time you say:

“I hate Hitler! I hate the Nazis!”

They’re still going to call you Hitler and Nazis!

And what’s more important than what they call you is how they will treat you! Because what those labels mean is basically:

“Sic ‘em! Get that guy! Kill him! Put him in prison!”

That’s what they mean when they say those words. That’s what those words mean to them.

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John Friend: I completely agree with everything you’ve said.

And this is a point that I’ve been trying to make for, jeez, probably years now. Is if we are serious about this and we really want to set things right, we cannot avoid Revisionism, we can’t avoid confronting this fake “Holocaust” narrative head on! And openly saying that:

“This is not true! None of this is true!”

It’s a weaponized narrative history that is entirely concocted by jews to advance jewish interests. It is a weapon being used against Whites. And we need to openly say that we have all of the evidence and proof on our side. It’s not as if this is in debate anymore. It’s been conclusively demonstrated that this story is not true!

And Hitler was a good guy! Read the damn book! Read Mein Kampf! What is he wrong about? Listen to some of the speeches.

I mean, that’s a thing. And I mean, we need to be openly saying this! I mean, what is so wrong with that?

Tanstaafl: That was something that Greg Johnson, that was one of the claims that he made is:

“Why would we want to attack the jews where they were strongest?”

They aren’t strongest there! They defend the “Holocaust”. They make it literally illegal to question it, because it is their weakest point! Because they have harmed us so tremendously!

It’s that the war was caused by jews and jewing! It was a reaction! The National Socialists were reacting in self defense of the German people against the depredations that jews had done to them. The harm that they had caused with their parasitism! And the parasitism was not just the Germans. It’s just the Germans were the ones who stood up against it!

John Friend: Yeah.

Tanstaafl: The parasitism happened for centuries, if not millennia before that, to other people. And it’s happened to other Europeans at the time when the Germans stood up against it.

And it’s happening now! It’s even clearer!

And once you realize that, once that’s something clicks in your head and you realize that you’ve been lied to your whole life about this fucking “Holocaust” thing! You realize Hitler was right! The National Socialists were right!

White people have been basically fed upon by these jews for millennia now, and it’s coming to a head! They’re going to kill us! They are killing us!

John Friend: Yeah. I totally agree.

Tanstaafl: We are morally in the Right. We have nothing to run away from! We don’t need to “step over the ‘Holocaust’”! We need to refute it directly!

John Friend: Yes, I completely agree! And I mean there’s no avoiding this issue. There’s no stepping over this if issue if you care about White people. It is unavoidable.

Tanstaafl: As I say, it’s been weaponized. And it’s a weapon that’s used against Whites! It’s harming Whites! Literally sucking, … I mean, you can measure it in dollars, or in pounds, or in marks, or now in Euros, the money that they take, they literally siphoned out of our countries and direct to Israel, because of the “Holocaust”.

And, of course, that’s only a fraction of the overall harm that’s caused! There’s all of the crime. And all of the violence. And all of the murders, and the rapes, going on in Europe, because of this “refugee” invasion. And in the United States, because of our open borders.

That all happens, because we can’t have a country. Because that’s like Nazis and Hitler!

John Friend: Yeah! Exactly! Exactly.

Tanstaafl: If you want a a country you’ve got to deal with that issue head on!

John Friend: Yes. I totally agree. One quick comment I want to make about the whole Heil Gate situation. I mean, based on some of the interviews I’ve heard, and it’s mostly Mike Enoch, one of the guys from The Right Stuff, he was on. And he was there and apparently he kind of initiated the salute there. It sounded like that they were very genuine. They weren’t trying to sort of, …

Tanstaafl: Exuberant!

John Friend: Yeah. I mean, I think there’s nothing wrong with doing a Roman salute. I mean, my God! Who cares? What struck me, and I mean, it doesn’t surprise me, but it’s just so incredible that the media was so focused on this.

Meanwhile outside we have these radical antifa protesters attacking people, disrupting restaurants, barging in and assaulting people, and spraying people with, … I mean, literally they apparently had some container filled with human excrement. And they were like spraying it on Spencer and other people there.

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I mean, this gets no coverage! And kids at school, young kids at school, young White kids at school who go on Facebook and say they voted for Trump, or say they like Trump, they’re getting beat up. No coverage! No coverage at all!

A White reporter – I just heard a story about this – a White reporter down in Houston went on Facebook the very next day after the election saying she was thankful that Trump was elected and made a couple other comments. She’s fired from her job. No coverage!

I mean, issues so insane that they’re freaking out about someone throwing up a Roman salute. A simple gesture, and meanwhile all these anti-Trump people are rampaging in the streets, burning down cities, attacking people. I mean, it’s just so insane! And so infuriating to see this.

Tanstaafl: Well it’s ironic, you know. They have this sort of two faced reaction. I made a little meme, an image meme about it. That the jews, they like out of one side of their face to mock us, that we’re so insignificant, we’re never going to win.

And then at the very next moment at the other side of their face, you know, they’re fretting about what’s going to happen when we do win!

And that you saw that with their reaction to the NPI thing. Which was such a blow up! The media blew that up way out of proportion, because it’s the jewish media.

I don’t say “media”, I call it the “jews media” even though it takes more characters in Twitter. I always wrote “jews media”, because it’s good to emphasize what is behind it. Instead of calling it the “mainstream media”, or the “liberal media”, and the “liberal bias” of the media, it’s a jewish bias in the media! It’s a jewish agenda, it’s jewish narrative.

They say they disguise it just like they disguise themselves sometimes. And other times they make it crystal clear.

And when they freak out about some guys given the Roman salute and saying “Heil”, they are basically telling us, … It’s like with their reaction to Trump’s speech about globalist elite, and bankers and media, that they’re telling you that it’s all about the jews, and exposing themselves!

John Friend: Yeah. Hey real quick. What do you think of Spencer’s speech down there at Texas A and M? Did you get a chance to watch it?

Tanstaafl: The initial coverage was pretty bad from Red Ice. I tuned in to a different link that was clearer for like I think the second half of the speech. And then the question & A, I caught the first half of that before that link went bad.

My reaction is respect. That he’s out there speaking openly to – in hostile territory – these people. Basically trolling them in real life. And that must be what he’s doing. Because I mean, it’s part of, …

One thing I don’t like really is why is he even talking to the enemy? Once I woke up to see race and my own feelings towards Whites, and myself as a White man, I had no interest in debating with blacks. And even as much as I now focus on jews, and trying to understand their arguments, and trying to understand their tactics and their techniques, I don’t have any interest in debating them about anything!

There is nothing to debate with our enemies! All we need to do is debate with ourselves to come to the conclusion that they are enemies! And that’s, I think, the most important thing, that they are enemies! And we need to fight them.

John Friend: Well, the thing is, and you can see this, … I didn’t really see much of his speech. I saw a few little video segments on Twitter before, you know, we started reporting this. So I really didn’t see hardly anything that happened there. But I did see some of the Q & A, some the questions asked.

And the thing is, and I’ve discovered this online, and comments, and whatnot, trying to engage and trying to have an honest discussion about these issues with jews, or with non-Whites, and you try and try, you try to be is honest and genuine as you can and explain your point of view as best you can, without being insulting, or condescending.

And these people are just dishonest! They don’t even want to try! They don’t even attempt to understand where you’re coming from. It’s that, or they’re so delusional, so brainwashed, by this anti-White narrative that you cannot have a discussion with these people.

There’s one clip I put it up on my Twitter feed right now. It’s a brief video of this big fat black chick at the university. She gets up, and she asked Spencer this question. And she’s saying how blacks founded civilization, and how blacks taught White people philosophy, and architecture, and everything else. And it’s like this lady, this black woman really does genuinely believe this! And not a single word she said is true, or backed up by any historical evidence, any archaeological evidence. She’s just so gone!

It’s like, how do you even engage in a discussion with someone like that? And the answer is, you can’t! Yeah you can’t, you don’t! It’s a waste of time.

I mean, I totally support what Spencer is doing. I think it’s good to have at least get up there and present our perspective. Something from a pro-White perspective. And I think he does a good job at that.

Tanstaafl: He did it without apology.

John Friend: Yeah. I think he’s good.

Tanstaafl: George Lincoln Rockwell used to do something similar. He used to go to colleges and give speeches in front of large audiences, to hostile jews, and anti-White Whites. And they were very popular.

And in fact, they were so popular that basically that was part of why this strategy of the jews to what they call “No platforming”. To basically stop debating!

I mean, they understand this existential struggle. And the fact that we are enemies! And once they understand that, they have this attitude that I’m talking about, or that you see, they don’t debate honestly. There’s nothing to debate! You’re a Nazi! You’re a racist! We you’re supposed to be destroyed:

“I’m surprised you’re still around. I thought we got rid of all you guys?”

That kind of attitude. And it’s a relentless and uncompromising attitude.

I learned that lesson early with this guy, Lawrence Auster online, who used to write in such “intellectual”, you know, nit picky. He would tear apart logically liberal arguments. And the minute you touched on the jews, he just lost his, … All the intellect went out the window! All that desire to argue and pick apart the little details, out the window!:

“You’re an anti-semite! Your basically a non-person, a non human being!”

Wouldn’t even talk to you directly anymore. Just talked about you in the third person like you were non human. And that was a shock to me, because I was like, as you described, at that point I was still kind of like not clear on just how deep this went. And how the racial animus, I didn’t understand it as racial animus.

I understood that the jews were enemies. I said that, I think, in the first post I made about it. Is they are not only our enemies, but their enemies. Which is kind of like I think the right idea! I had it pretty early on, I guess, when things snapped in my head I got it right away.

But it took me years then to basically fill in the pieces, the missing pieces, about how we got here. How did this happen, and the basic techniques that they used, the psychology of it.

John Friend: Yeah. Very well said. And there’s been a good conversation.

I have one final question and it relates to, … You had mentioned how the jews pursued a strategy back when Rockwell was giving all these speeches, of basically just not covering anything he was doing, at least for a certain period of time. They just deplatformed him, …

Tanstaafl: Banning him!

John Friend: Yeah. And banning him and shutting it down, of course.

But now it’s like they can’t give us enough ink, you know, they’re promoting the Alt-Right and all this, even though they’re doing it in many cases very dishonestly, and trying their best to demonize us.

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Tanstaafl: What I hear from the hive mind is that they’re torn on this. It’s like with Trump too. They gave Trump what they thought was enough rope to hang himself with. And it didn’t turn out the way they thought.

They thought by covering him that they would basically expose what a nutcase he was and people wouldn’t vote for him. And it didn’t turn out that way. They don’t have the level of control that they thought they had.

So that’s the sort of the positive message here. Is the jews are omnipotent. They’re not all powerful. They can be fought! And they can be defeated! Trump defeated them.

Unfortunately for us, he’s not a racialist, he’s not pro-White, he’s not anti jewish. But he was able to defeat them in spite of them throwing almost everything they had at him, short of bullets in the head.

John Friend: Well, what’s amazing to me is that they are giving us so much coverage. When they could just not be covering any of this.

Tanstaafl: It’s the rope thing. Like with the Heil Gate and the Bannon thing. It’s their concern and they’re airing it. And they’re putting their spin on it. And they’re basically building on decades of propaganda and billions of dollars invested in this negative associations with these things.

And so when they write a story about the NPI conference and these people giving Nazi salutes in Washington DC, There are basically trying to scare each other, and sort of warn each other:

“Hey! It’s happening again! It’s happening! And we’ve got to do something squash this!”

That’s why they do it. And I think they will switch to just silencing us. And it’s basically they can do both. I mean, they’ve got the ADL and other organizations lobbying constantly to get us shutdown. They try to shut down the NPI thing. They do both at the same time. They cover it with their spin on it, and [chuckling] they try to shut it down same time! And there’s not a contradiction there.

And it’s a constant debate, as I was saying amongst the hive mind of the jews media. On Twitter you can see them having this debate every day about this whether they should do this, or that, or more of this, or less of that. That kind of thing:

“Is it good, or bad for the jews?”

Basically.

John Friend: Right.

Tanstaafl: Constantly.

John Friend: What do you think is the future of the Alt-Right? Do you see this as something that’s going to have a legitimate political impact in the years to come?

[96:18]

Tanstaafl: Yes. I think like the Tea Party, it will go on. There’s been struggles for this past year and a half over the soul of it, and who gets to define it. And I know Andrew Anglin has fought very hard to make sure that people did not “steal it”. And that Alt-Light didn’t get away with it.

Even Spencer himself has defended it from Alt-Light type people coming into it and trying to redefine it. The jews media tried early on to define it as Milo. Milo Yiannopoulos was the leader of it. And I forget who else. Several other like not just Alt-Light, but, you know, jew friendly type figures that they tried to nominate.

And even recently Jared Taylor, up until this Heil Gate thing, jared Taylor was being touted as a leader of Alt-Right. And that’s kind of disgusting to me!

Because, you know, Taylor, as much as I can credit him with waking people up to racial consciousness, he is a person that has spent far too much time thinking about what the problems are to not see the jews, to not see the jews role in this!

And every time he’s pressed on the issue, he cucks for the jews! He defends the jews! Says that they’re White basically, or at least some of them are, and that we sort of have to welcome some of them.

Because why? Well, he never really explains. Why do White people need to accept jews as White? There is no good reason that he offers for that. And he’s really pressed on it. And when he is pressed on that he disappoints as far as understanding that the jews are the enemy.

I think that his statement about the Heil Gate thing was basically he went right to the point of:

“I don’t think it’s a good idea to call jews enemies. The jews can be White.”

He said. And that’s exactly wrong! That’s worse than Alt-Light! That’s worse than normie White! That’s like you’re basically an enemy yourself!

John Friend: Yeah.

Tanstaafl: If you don’t recognize the enemy and call it “the enemy”, and, in fact, say the opposite, that they’re not our enemy, that they’re actually White people who maybe have lost their way, or whatever, and we should accept them. That’s actually like enemy activity!

John Friend: Treason, yeah? It really is. And I mean, the guy’s very intelligent obviously. And he said a lot of very good things. But on this one issue. I mean, I’ve always felt this way about him. Because I remember the first time I discovered his work. It was him cucking on the jews. And I’m like:

“What is this guy talking about!”

Jews are not White. I mean, ask a jew yourself and they will tell you they’re not White. They hate White people [chuckling]. They’ll tell you themselves!

Tanstaafl: They dance around it! This is something that has been coming out during this election cycle is this “goy posing”, where they pretend to be White. And there’s value to pretending to be White for them.

And that’s the only time they will pretend to be White is when there’s value in it for them. Either to shift the blame to White people. Like say when some jew gets caught doing something really bad, you know, they’re portrayed in the jewish media as a “White” person!:

“This is just another example of White privilege and White abuses!”

And they’re not identified as jews. That’s one thing. But then they’ll also, and this is even smaller jews. And online, on Twitter, this really got exposed very badly. And the (((echo meme))) thing was a big part of this.

That the jews will say something negative about White people, speaking for White people, speaking to White people, as a White person:

“I think this, or that shitty thing about White people!”

And they would posture as if they were White.

And people started to basically call them on it and put parentheses around their (((name))), or mock them, and laugh at them. And say:

“You’re not White! You’re a jew!”

And the best was when they post some picture, a snapshot of some previous tweet, that they had made where they were saying:

“As a jew, I think this, or that!”

And this isn’t just some new thing. It’s newly discovered, and it’s a new form of calling the jews on it. It’s actually a very positive sign that White people are calling the jews on this. For decades the jews have gotten away with this posturing as White, in order to tell us what to do, to basically posture as moral authorities about what White people should, or shouldn’t do, should, or shouldn’t say!

And then, sort of like that the double talk of it, is that then if they are pressed on the issue, it’ll be like:

“Well, because I’m a jew, I really understand these issues best about hate and minorities being oppressed, and, because of the ‘Holocaust’ and all!”

So it’s a real example of privilege where they can basically be White when they want to shit on White people, and shovel blame our way. And they can be jews when they want to be treated specially in a positive way and be protected, because they’re jews.

And this is something that they’ve done throughout history. This posing as their host. I mean, it has this biological analogy where a parasite will literally disguise itself. It’s called “Crypsis”. So that the host mistakes it as one of its own.

And understanding it at that level, it’s very explicative. It really explains what’s going on in a solid sense. But it’s also like the most stomach churning way of seeing it, that it makes so much sense, it’s like:

“God, this is bad!”

John Friend: Yeah. [chuckling]

Tanstaafl: This is for me, I’m a kind of embroiled in it. And Trump is too!

You see how it happens. The jews gravitate, at least some of them do, towards mixing with the most powerful in their host. And they use that infiltration then to enhance their ability to manipulate that host.

And by doing it amongst the most powerful people, of course, they get the most leverage that way. By intermixing with the aristocracy, or the leaders of a given society.

I think of it as like claws, or fangs biting into the host, and it allows then the larger body of jews, the other half of the jews the jewry, the Orthodox, Hasidim, who basically are a closed gene pool, transfer the wealth and the energy that they suck out of their host to that sort of fruiting body to feed on! It’s disgusting! But that’s what’s happening right now.

Jew York City especially, sort of like the epicenter of this, where you got these Orthodox jew communities springing up, colonies really, you could think of them as, all around the New York City area. Where basically they take over. And it’s like a little Israel in those places!

John Friend: Yeah. It’s a real problem. The jewish problem! That is the best way to look at it. And as he said before it really is a jewish war on White people. That’s the way it should be understood. Because that’s exactly what’s going on. And the sooner Whites recognize that, the sooner we can finally deal with it!

And in order to deal with it we have to be clear about race. We have to be clear about what the jews are up to. And we have to be real about our history! And not accept these weaponized jewish narratives of World War Two especially, but many other aspects of our collective history.

And we cannot let them manipulate us with these with these buzzwords, “racist”, “anti-semite”. I mean, we have to totally break free of all of their aspects of control. And I think we’re making steps in that direction.

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Tanstaafl: Oh yes! Big progress! Lots of people, it’s incredible how many people and how quickly they’re waking up to it. I remember when I first woke up myself. It seemed like it was kind of depressing, because there were so few people that were actually discussing it. I mean, it was literally a handful of websites. And all credit to the generations of men and women who’ve gone before, that were aware of the problem and died for it! Died fighting!

But by the early 2000s it was like just a handful of people in the corners of the web where we’re discussing these things. And now it’s just a totally different environment. It’s like a giant websites with obviously hundreds, or thousands of people getting together and discussing these things. And discussing it, like I said, on Twitter, openly mocking the jews, as jews, for trying to pull their old tricks that used to work.

And they’re not working. So the reaction to that is to shut down. That’s why they ban people when you do confront them and expose them directly. Then that’s when they have to shut you down.

John Friend: That’s right. Well Tan, I don’t know if you had any other closing remarks?

If you do please let us know. And if not, you go ahead and plug your website. And we will wrap up this program.

Tanstaafl: Yeah. This just one last point. Which is that a theme I’ve hit on many times over the last couple of years, is this “suicide meme”, which is also “pathological altruism”, it’s sometimes called. Which I think of a “suicide meme 2.0”. It’s more a more sciency thing.

I think it’s been discredited. And I think it wasn’t because of the arguments that I made – maybe a small part because of that. But it was mainly because the events going on around us discredited the idea that White people are doing this to ourselves! We see that it was the invasion of Europe when the so-called “refugee” thing got out of control in 2015. A lot of people, even people who previously had been silent, spoke up about it and could see for themselves that this is destruction! This is not self-inflicted.

This is like a somebody inside the Gates has opened the Gates for the outside world to pour in. And our leaders, our supposedly leaders are welcoming it! And defending these aliens against us! And that was exactly the kind of thing that I realized back in 2007, or so, when I woke up, that it was a clear to me.

But a lot of people, … Just like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, and these things that the jewish media have had hyped out of control, “Black Lives Matter”, what it finally culminated in, it actually ends up a wakening people to what’s going on. And so I think that’s a good thing.

And I’m sick of hearing about the suicide meme! I thought in its original form it originated from jews who are basically just trying to make an excuse for the fact that it was a jew war on Whites. That’s what’s going on. It’s a genocide agenda! And it’s a jewish genocide agenda of Whites.

I think a lot of people getting that. They’re not just getting that it’s about race and about jews. But they get that Whites are in big trouble. And yes, we’ve got all sorts of pathological behaviors and all sorts of sick things, degenerate things that we’re up to.

But this is not something that arose naturally within ourselves and would have happened without the jews. This is totally instigated by this alien people that see us as their enemy! And have basically inflicted this upon us. And it wouldn’t be happening without them. So it’s, …

John Friend: Yes. I totally agree.

Tanstaafl: We have to fight! I mean, that’s the main way. When people say:

“Oh! But we have to improve ourselves! We have to do better and, …”

Yeah! Let’s do better! Let’s recognize our enemies as enemies! And let’s fight them! Instead of pretending that we’re the only thing that exists in the world. And we’re the only force to be reckoned with.

That’s not going to work. I mean, that’s like if you were, I don’t know, infected with some small parasite that makes you sick. And you just pretend:

“All I have to do is think positive thoughts, and have a strong identity, and then this wouldn’t happen to me!”

No! It would happen! And you need to recognize what the real root of the problem is and deal with that problem!

So that’s the last thought. My web site is Age of Treason dot com.

[110:04]

There’s not much activity between say January, February of this year, and just this past month. And I don’t know how long have the energy to keep writing. As I said in the past, I don’t really like repeating myself. I see these themes over, and over, again.

Twitter kind of got me in the habit of, on a daily basis, posting at least short things. So people may notice compared to my older blog posts which were very long and detailed. And I don’t trouble with that anymore. I don’t make elaborate arguments anymore.

Maybe I still have that in me at some point I will post that. But right now I’m more concerned to get important issues, and focus on them, make a blog post focusing on an issue that I think is actually crucial. And maybe say something pretty simple about it.

And it’s a good way to get past writer’s block for me. Because after being away from it – blog posting for so long – actually, it was quite a struggle to write the first blog post [chuckling]! I was instigated by the pent up energy of not being able to post on Twitter anymore. So it happened.

And once it happened once that I was able to start writing more. But I don’t intend to go back to multi page long things. And I don’t even know about podcasting. I mean, it took a lot of energy to make the podcasts I’ve made. And I covered all the basics.

At this point, I’d only be adding a few little details. So I don’t know what I’ll be doing in the future, is basically what I’m trying to say.

If people are curious about these issues and they think that what I’m saying is exaggerated, go read some of the things I’ve written on my blog, and documented, and linked to. I make detailed arguments. For people who are truly curious, they’ll go and they can find the information.

John Friend: Yeah, I completely agree. And I hope people do check out your website and check out your radio archives. And also check out the previous podcast that we did a year ago, that I mentioned at the very beginning of this program.

Tanstaafl: I agree.

John Friend: Yeah, I think that was very good. And, in fact, the title of that podcast was “The jew as a Parasite”! So we really get into the jewish problem in probably even greater detail than we did in this show.

But yeah, man, you’re always welcome here. I mean, it’s always great talking to you. I think between you and MacDonald, I think you guys are really kind of done more than then, … I mean, I guess in a contemporary context I think Hitler’s had a huge impact on my understanding of the jewish problem.

But you and MacDonald have added a lot to it. Help me come to the conclusions that I’ve come to. And I think they’re very well founded and unavoidable!

Tanstaafl: Yeah.

John Friend: If you simply do the research.

Tanstaafl: Well, thank you John. And it makes me happy to hear that I’ve had an influence, a positive influence, on other White people. And I’ve heard that from a handful of people over the last couple of years. And it makes me happy!

I mean, I’ve invested quite a few hours in trying not only to understand it myself, but then to try and explain it in terms that other people would maybe have an easier time then, if I laid it out, the work that I had invested. And I’m glad I did that. And I’ll continue to do it as long as I can find the time and energy to do it.

John Friend: Excellent! Well, thank you so much for joining me today. We will have to do another program in the future, maybe once Trump finally gets in and, …

Tanstaafl: Once we see what he’s, …

John Friend: Once we see what he’s doing, exactly! Yeah that’s really what I’ve been… I mean, we can sit here and speculate all day long. But I really want to see what he’s going to do. I think some of his picks are kind of revealing. But ultimately will this kind of have to wait and see what happens. But hopefully we’ll still be able to communicate if, you know, [chuckling] at that point assuming he doesn’t sign some crazy legislation.

So anyways, thanks a lot than! And I really do appreciate it. And please do keep up the great work. And I hope people check out your website. And we will talk again soon.

Tanstaafl: Thanks John.

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The Realist Report Interviews Eric Hunt — TRANSCRIPT

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May 2016

[Here’s the transcript of an audio interview by John Friend with Eric Hunt about his revisionist video making, and his latest video, “Questioning the Holocaust, Why We Believed — Part One”.

Both Friend and Hunt don’t mince their words about calling out the “Holocaust” for what it is, a gigantic pack of evil lies being foisted upon the world by the only victor, and instigator, of WW II, namely organized jewry — KATANA.]

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by John Friend

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Published on May 3, 2016

by John Friend

On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined by Eric Hunt, one the top revisionists in the world today. Eric has made numerous documentary films thoroughly debunking the fake “Holocaust” narrative of WWII, one of the greatest deceptions ever foisted upon humanity. In this podcast, Eric and I discuss his latest documentary project Question “The Holocaust,” including the recently released film Questioning “The Holocaust” – Why We Believed. We also address a number of other topics related to the fake “Holocaust” narrative, and how his weaponized version of history has been effectively used against the White Western world.

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Intro: You’re listening to the Realist Report. Here’s your host, John Friend.

John Friend: All right folks welcome back to another edition of the Realist Report. This is your host, John Friend. Joining me on the line today is Eric Hunt, one of the top revisionists in the world today. Eric, welcome to the program. How are you today, sir?

Eric Hunt: Hi John, I’m great. I’m happy to talk to you again.

John Friend: Yes! Excellent! I’m glad you could be here. It’s been a while since we since we last spoke. I’ve had you on the program, it’s probably been a couple, you know, at least two years. So, I guess, just to get started how are things going, how have you been?

Eric Hunt: I’ve been well. I’ve been able to do some traveling and sort of research for this video that’s been released. I was able to go to Auschwitz last summer, which was, you know, basically the highlight so far of someone who’s been researching this for, in-depth, for over a decade. So it’s been an interesting time since I’ve last spoken to you.

John Friend: Right, yeah and you’ve done a lot, you know, you’ve produced a lot of documentaries dealing with the holocaust. And I think the last time I had you on we talked specifically about the, “Treblinka Archaeology Hoax” which was a documentary you produced. And I guess just get started could you talk about some of your previous documentaries. I know you’ve made, “The Last Days of the Big Lie”. Which was the first documentary that I saw, that you produced, and that’s really a must see for anybody out there that’s interested in the subject. But you’ve also produced, you know, a couple other documentaries. So, could you maybe just sort of, you know, summarize your previous work?

Eric Hunt: Sure. The first one, first major thing I’ve done was called, “The Last Days of the Big Lie”. It was, you know, it’s sort of tough to, to be held to this high standard as if these are films and, you know, real documentaries. It’s really, these things are made on shoestring budgets. It’s just one guy. And we’re doing, I’m doing the best I can to sort of debunk a lot of these false histories. Some of these really terrible liars that are promoted to the forefront of this “Holocaust” story, if you will. So, I felt the best way to debunk this, this video, well, this film, it’s actually an Oscar award winning documentary called, “The Last Days” produced by Steven Spielberg, was to sort of make a video, documentary itself, sort of debunking the documentary.

So, since then I’ve been sort of releasing things in this sort of feature-length documentary format. Mostly to just, … I think it’s interesting for people, they sort of think they’re movies, but really with what I’m working with, I view them more as just presentations of, sort of, what I’ve discovered so far.

“The Last Days of the Big Lie” debunks, like I said, the academy award-winning documentary, “The Last Days” which features Irene Zisblatt. Who, if you’ve heard of her, you might of you might have gotten the message through that video, this is the woman who claims she repeatedly defecated and swallowed diamonds for a year and a half while in Auschwitz and on death marches. She claims Dr Mengele removed her Auschwitz tattoo.

[Image] Dr. Joseph Mengele (middle).

She claims she was selected to have her skin turned into a lampshade. She claimed she escaped from inside of a gas chamber and was thrown over an electrified barbed wire fence, over one hundred fifty feet, onto a train.

So, not only that, there’s many many other lies that this woman tells that are debunked in that film. And it’s just sort of incredible to, to realize how no major film critics, even Pulitzer Prize winning film critics like Roger Ebert, ever question that this woman was not telling the truth. And it, it’s about, just brainwashing in the public. So that’s “The Last Days of the Big Lie”.

I was just recently told it’s five year anniversary, it was apparently released on May 1st, five years ago, so that’s five years old. It’s a bit rough, but the facts are pretty interesting, pretty exciting. So if people haven’t checked that out, check that out.

[05:00]

Some of the other movies I’m proud of are the, “Treblinka Archaeology Hoax”. This is sort of another debugging of another documentary. This was British produced program, I believe it was called, “Treblinka, Inside Hitler’s Secret Death Camp”.

It’s about an archaeologist, Caroline Sturdy Colls, who went to Treblinka. And they filmed it like a Reality TV show, where she’s going to prove that the Holocaust deniers are wrong. That these revisionists are wrong and that there is evidence at Treblinka that 900,000 Jews were gassed, buried, dug back up and re-buried.

But, when you examine this documentary, in particular, the case is just not acceptable! For instance, if you’re on a jury and you’re you’re told to convict based on the evidence shown in this film, there’s very little, … I wouldn’t be able to convict. You know, the chief rabbi of Poland explicitly forbids this, archaeologists from digging near the alleged mass graves. So what evidence do they present? It’s a lot of smoke and mirrors. Almost literally, you could see in the presentation that they use a lot of color correction, and of course the violins to really trick people into believing in the story.

And after, that was the, “Majdanek Gas Chamber Myth”. Majdanek is a bit of a microcosm of the larger holocaust story. Originally the Soviets claimed over two million were gassed in this factory of death. But, thanks in large part to revisionists, especially Carlo Mattogno and Jürgen Graf — Graf, who published a book about Majdanek — the official death toll has been revised to 78,000 including both Jews, Poles and others. Although or some revisionist claim that is also an exaggeration. And the number of alleged gas chambers there have, has been reduced from seven down to two. So, the Majdanek gas chamber myth is sort of showing you how the story’s been revised. How they originally claimed that drying facilities for the laundry were homicidal gas chambers. And interesting, I’m pretty happy about that, but it’s, I think more people need to see that, so check it out.

And most recently “Questioning the Holocaust, Why We Believed — Part One” is out. Now, this sort of an introduction to “Holocaust” revisionism. Why there are revisionists and how the masses were tricked into believing this story of gas chambers disguised as shower rooms. As well as showing how some of this imagery of corpses, taken after camp liberations, doesn’t prove what we’re told it does.

John Friend: Exactly. Yeah, and I think that’s so important, because I think, you know, most people simply accept the official holocaust narrative, because all of the propaganda that’s associated with it, is so traumatizing and emotional. And they don’t really stop and think about, you know, the information they’re consuming. And this, your latest video kind of does a good job of explaining this all and kind of breaking this all down.

And I just wanted to mention, if you just do a Google search for any of your previous documentaries you should be able to find him on YouTube and watch them. And each one of them as you mentioned kind of deals with a different aspect of the holocaust. “The Last Days of the Big Lie” kind of, you know, exposes a lot of these alleged holocaust survivors for the total liars and just frauds that they really are. And then of course, “The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax” deals with that specific, you know, alleged death camp, and the same thing with “Majdanek”.

And this latest documentary, … So this is, just to be clear, and by the way that the web site is, questioningtheholocaust.com. And I will have a link when I post this program over to your site where you can check out your, you know, your latest documentary. Which is part one of two. And you can also send in a donation, which I encourage people do, as well to support your work. So really, you’re main goal, if I understand you correctly, with this latest project, is kind of, you know, just breaking this all down and explaining to people, how it, how it is been that we’ve been deceived. And, you know, some of the, some of the tricks that have been used against us?

[10:00]

Eric Hunt: Well, yeah. There’s, you know, a lot of revisionists are pretty high level advanced scholars at this point. Carlo Mattogno and Jürgen Graf, Germar Rudolf, they’ve been at this for twenty-five, thirty years or more, some of them.

[Image] Jürgen Graf, Carlo Mattogno and Germar Rudolf

So it goes, a lot of the stuff they publish goes over the heads of those who are just new to this and skeptical, sort of want to hear our story. And also, some of the people that come to this knowledge, they get a lot of the facts, a little bit wrong at the beginning. I’m guilty of this it myself. And I sort of want to put out a case that people new to this, or are sort of excited to learn about this truth, can have a pretty good case, about what we’ve discovered and stand by the facts. It’s for the beginner, but, there is stuff in there that even people who have some advanced knowledge about revisionism, will be surprised to learn, I think.

John Friend: Right. Now this is, so this, your most recently released documentary, this is Part One, there’s going to be a second part. Do you have a release date for the second part?

Eric Hunt: You know, I don’t. I’ve been at this particular thing for about a year and a half now and I sort of want to let people know I’m still here and I want to improve production values. And yes, in the past, I’ve been a little bit embarrassed to ask for donations and things like this, but this is the only way we can really continue to focus all this time, energy and money of my own, onto these productions.

For this last video I was able to travel both to Auschwitz and to the Washington DC Holocaust Memorial Museum and filmed at both places. So, if you appreciate this first part of the video, I would really appreciate some donations to help me really continue work on this, and release Part Two, hopefully before fall of this year.

[Image] The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum located in Washington DC.

John Friend: Excellent. Yeah, and I think it is very important work. I mean look at this, look at the whole holocaust industry. These jews have literally billions and billions of dollars going into this industry, promoting it, perpetuating it. You know, they’re making Hollywood films left and right, you know, to re-instill this idea of the holocaust into our minds. And it’s a gigantic, I mean it’s a gigantic scam, it’s a big financial swindle. But it’s a huge, it’s a huge industry. I mean it literally is in as an industry at this point.

Eric Hunt: Yeah, and we need an industry of our own to compete with this. A real major reason why people believe is just the power of the production values that, that they’ve been bombarded with. You know, these million dollars, Steven Spielberg directed films, you know, they have soundtracks with these violins, and the color correction that makes it look like a horror movie. And I have aimed to improve production values of my videos. They’re still pretty crude, but I am making an appeal, I think I’ve stuck by my claims that I’m trying to improve my production values, and I hope people see this and realize that we can have an industry of our own.

I was talking to Kyle Hunt, who had his film, “Hellstorm” recently screened at a film festival in a movie theater. Could you imagine if some of our films were actually, openly screened in movie theaters? What if we had control of an industry? Not necessarily the entire film industry but, we know gays have their own film industry, we know Christians have a Christian film industry. How about people who don’t think Germans are pure evil, how about that?

John Friend: Exactly, yes. And that was huge. I was really glad to see that [Kyle] Hunt was able to get his documentary, “Hellstorm” into that film festival. My goodness, that was quite an accomplishment. And frankly I’m surprised that they let him screen it. That’s kind of, … Oh I mean, I’m glad that he did but, you know, it’s kind of surprising to me. Considering how much control influence the organized jewish community has. And this really is their bread and butter. This is their whole entire power really, I would argue. At least now in a modern context is sort of centered around this fake story.

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Eric Hunt: Yeah, and it’s not only that. I mean, for many years I wondered if, what I was doing was a waste of time, and I think last year, with this outright invasion of Germany, it became obvious that I was doing the right thing. These people, the German people have been abused and manipulated to hate themselves and embrace their own extermination, if you will, for over seventy years now. And by debunking a lot of the false claims about them, we are the good guys, we are doing the right thing. We need to oppose this other industry that is perpetuating this genocidal lie at this point.

John Friend: I completely agree with you, and it’s, I mean really this is, it’s such a big issue for me. I talk about this all the time, I try to highlight it as much as I can. Because it’s always in the news, you can always find a story about the fake holocaust. And I wanted to ask you, really, sort of the best way to explain all of the different issues relating to the holocaust, to kind of break it down and, you know, for an average person.

And one thing that I’ve kind of came to the conclusion is, you know, when you look at the holocaust, it really is just an extension of, you know, anti-German propaganda, going all the way back to World War One and even before World War One, right? And really it’s this this horror story that these Jews have told us, that’s become institutionalized and almost no part of the story is true.

[Image] April, 1945, the British Army approaches Belsen Concentration Camp. Vehicles pass a warning sign reading “Danger Typhus” on the outskirts of the neutral exclusion zone set in place to prevent spread of disease.

Eric Hunt: While it’s hard, because it goes back to when you were a child. When I was a child I remember, and I’m sure you also probably remember, we were shown these pictures of emaciated, skeletal human bodies being thrown into mass graves. I remember seeing the Bergen-Belsen bulldozer footage projected on a big screen at a local firehouse.

[Image] April, 1945, a partially excavated mass grave in the camp. In the background, tents provide emergency accommodation while a British Army bulldozer waits to recommence work.

[Image] April, 1945, a British Army bulldozer pushes bodies into a mass grave at Belsen. The driver of the bulldozer wears a protective handkerchief over his mouth and nose.

It was apparently the, I believe it was the History Channel, or something like this. So you were traumatized at an early age. Trauma based mind control. To believe that the Germans, that, especially that footage was essentially of the Germans meeting their quota of gassed Jews for the day. That was a job well done, right? Rather than it being a total disaster, which came about as a result of a collapse of hygiene measures and the Germans losing the war.

So, I think a large part of this new video focuses on the footage of these bodies at Bergen-Belsen, as well as the, quote Dachau death trains and Nordhaus, where the bodies we see were actually literally bombed and strafed by British airplanes, before the American filmmakers got there. So it comes down to, as a child we were all shown these horrible images. I think as David Duke points out, this is probably the first naked body we’ve seen of the other sex, and this is jarring for someone to see. You know, these dysentery and typhus victims being thrown into a grave, with a bulldozer. But it has nothing to do with gas chambers disguised as shower rooms.

It’s not even that surprising when you look at the history of warfare and typhus, which is called camp fever, prison fever, and just the history of Europe as far as typhus epidemics. So that, as well as the various books we were forced to read as children, from the diary of Anne Frank, which has recently been approved, been admitted to have been co-written by her father, to Elie Wiesel’s “Night”, which includes a total fiction about dump trucks full of babies being dumped into flaming pits of fire at the entrance of Birkenau. Which is total nonsense.

John Friend: See and that’s what I mean by, it’s literally a horror story that these jews have created and you know, it’s a fictional story, but they’ve just institutionalized it. And people actually believe this crap!

Eric Hunt: Yeah. It’s literal hell imagery, of demonization of Germans as if they have horns. We’ve seen the movie, “Hellboy”. He was made by the Nazis. He’s the literal walking demon and of course it’s down to video games now. You’ve got the “Castle Wolfenstein” games where you’re supposed to kill a German demon, demonic Germans and all this. So it’s your entire life you’ve been bombarded to hate Germans and essentially worship jews, in various ways.

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John Friend: That’s right. Well, and I think you’re spot on. I mean, you know, most people, and, you know, I’ve, I have pretty extensive experience trying to talk to people, you know, just average people about the subject, because it’s, you know, sort of what I do, you know. I interview people and talk about the holocaust and jewish power. And, you know, other issues. And, you know, most people really don’t know anything about the holocaust or even World War Two. I mean they just know that Hitler was evil, they know that the Germans were evil. And they know that millions of Jews died. But they couldn’t really tell you how, I mean, you know, beside for maybe, you know, mentioning the gas chambers or whatever.

But they don’t know any of the details, and really they’ve been, as you said, traumatized by this imagery and by this emotional testimony. But they don’t know any of the details. None of these photographs are ever put in context. None of this information, you know, the nature of the camps has never explained, what was going on at the time, you know, the circumstances leading up to the allies taking over some of these camps. None of this is ever explained and these people have no idea about any of it.

Eric Hunt: Yeah they probably can’t name, you know, many camps other than Auschwitz, maybe Dachau. They just assume that all these experts that they’ve seen on the television wouldn’t lie to them, I mean, Steven Spielberg. In many ways they just are suckers, they are impressed by the production values and they trust these professional experts to do their research for them. But, in many ways this video I put out recently is for them. I show Oprah Winfrey, who had Elie Wiesel on, and of course at the beginning of the video they got to show this is footage of these bodies. And I debunk them almost frame by frame. So, basically these people saw the bodies, like I said, as children, and that’s all! That’s it! That’s all they need to see is these horrible images of bodies, and that’s it.

[Image] Oprah Winfrey and Elie Wiesel.

John Friend: That’s right.

Eric Hunt: You know, it’s, a lot of revisionists you could say they, over, and it’s sort of like I said they’ve been in this many years so they were more interested in more advanced aspects of this thing. But it needs to be simplified as much as possible to try to get people to understand. That’s why I have, sort of focused on this, gas chambers disguised as shower rooms. And that does, in itself, doesn’t make much sense that, because sometimes we were told the gas came out of the shower heads, or all this other stuff. It just doesn’t sound like something the Germans would do, these brilliant engineers.

John Friend: It really is a ludicrous story, when you stop and think about it. It’s just so ridiculous that people would just blindly accept this.

Eric Hunt: It sounds like a three little pigs, story of the big bad wolf, or like a Looney Tunes episode with the Wiley Coyote tricking them into going into a shower room and then dropping insecticide on them, it doesn’t add up. The Germans had specially designed equipment, as I point out in this video. The manufacture of Zyklon B, Dagesh, had specially designed equipment.

[Image] A can of Zyklon B pellets.

When you look at it today I’m still sort of surprised how, how complicated and brilliant it was. It was able to open an entire, in the clothing fumigation rooms, the clothing fumigation squads would put an entire can of Zyklon B into the holder, which had a can opener. Which would open the can and drop the pellets in. Hot air would be blown through a wire basket, which the pellets dropped into and circulated throughout the entire chamber.

[Image] A Dagesh fumigation machine. A can of Zyklon B would be inserted at the top (indicated by arrow).

But, you know, wow that sounds like a great design to use if you’re trying to gas roomfuls of people, but, we’re told that didn’t happen. We’re told that they just threw these Zyklon B pellets through holes in the wall or through the ceiling and just waited. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

John Friend: Right. Well, one of the things that I try to do is, when I’m talking to just average people, is really break down the three main premises of the official holocaust narrative.

And I think the three main ones are that: Number one, Hitler and the Nazis designed a systematic plan to murder European jewry. Number two they did so largely utilizing homicidal gas chambers. And then number three, six million Jews were eventually murdered, during the course of the so-called “holocaust“.

And if you break these three basic premises down, you can easily refute each one, if you sort of just have a general understanding of what was going on at the time.

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Eric Hunt: Yeah, yeah, I do that. Yeah, I repeat those three major things. It’s sort of the mantra of revisionists. It’s been used for many years to try, you know, because a lot of people did, you know, because of these liars like, Wiesel and Lipstadt, they want to claim that, quote holocaust deniers, deny that camps even existed. Which is absolutely absurd, because they still exist today, of course. So, people who have been turned against revisionism have been told total lies about what we believe which do sound absolutely crazy, you know. They are told that, …

[Image] Deborah Lipstadt and Elie Wiesel

John Friend: Yeah. Well, I mean we would just dispute the nature of the camps and the purpose of the camps, right? That’s really what a boils down to.

Eric Hunt: Well, yeah. I mean, it’s just so, … So that’s why these people need to know those three main things, that no we don’t deny that there were these camps. As a matter of fact America had concentration camps for the Japanese. This is sort of how warfare was conducted at this time. I mean if you want to bring up a modern example of this, a lot of what Trump is saying was known, as far as, you know, not letting in Muslims who want to commit terrorism against Americans. This was common sense what leaders did back in the thirty’s and forty’s and etc.

So, the victims of the Boston Marathon [bombing] would still be alive today, if they practiced essentially what was known before the, quote holocaust. Which is, you know, you gotta sort of contain people that might want to act as partisans and kill your own people. But that might be a diversion.

[Image] Boston Marathon “victim” being wheeled away. The chances of him still being alive after having both legs blown off is slim, due to massive blood loss. The fact that he’s still conscious while sitting up in a wheelchair, is not credible (besides the negligent treatment he’s receiving here). This looks staged, but that’s another story for another day.

John Friend: Right.

Eric Hunt: But a, …

John Friend: Probably a good idea to isolate the people who are openly declaring war against you, right? I mean the Jews did that, the Jews openly declared war, an economic war against the Germans back in 1933.

Eric Hunt: Well, not only that, they were involved in partisan activity. Obviously funding Marxist groups that were committing violent acts against German soldiers at the time. They were blowing up train tracks, killing Germans. They were involved, far more than Japanese Americans, in aiding the murder of Germans.

John Friend: They were murdering German diplomatic officials as well. That was a huge thing going on at the time.

Eric Hunt: Yes. So you don’t have to really say this, you don’t have to necessarily justify any of this. It’s just putting into historical context that both sides of the war put people into concentration camps that may have possibly helped killing citizens of their own country. Which they, the leaders usually put them first, back in the day, but after the holocaust everything, everything changes, after this, quote holocaust, you know.

So now, Germans have to be invaded by millions of Syrians, even though, they could just walk into Israel, if they if they are in such danger, right? Rather than go across the sea all the way to Germany.

[Image – click to enlarge] Map of the camps under Western Allies versus Soviet Union control.

John Friend: See, and that’s why I think debunking and exposing the fake holocaust is so important, because we still see it being used as a weapon, against not only Germany, but the entire idea to our Western world, anyways.

Eric Hunt: Absolutely! You know, there was a recent article I saw that, this really rabid Zionist is writing that The New York Times suppressed the holocaust story and now there’s a there’s an effort underway to find out why local American newspapers didn’t write anything about the holocaust. And essentially this is a way to blame Americans for not doing enough, soon enough, to stop the holocaust. So, …

John Friend: Yeah, I saw that Alan Dershowitz was out there making basically the same argument. You might even be referring to him.

Eric Hunt: Yeah.

John Friend: Yeah. And again, they literally, the jews, literally blame the entire White race for the holocaust. I mean there’re quotes to that effect from multiple jewish leaders.

Eric Hunt: Absolutely! And, you know, when I was young and I’m in school, my grandfather was a mechanic in the American, U.S. Army’s paratrooper division and, you know, shouldn’t I be thanked? But, I mean, my family’s sacrifice, my father, my grandfather could’ve died somehow, quote, you know, liberating France and further. Shouldn’t I be thanked? I had nothing to do with this, my family had nothing to do with this. We tried to fight the good fight, right? But instead we are guilted with this as if we had something to do with it if we had blue eyes. Which is, it goes to another level.

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John Friend: Exactly. Well I wanted to ask you, what are some of the best sources, regarding the holocaust? What are some of the best books that you could maybe point to?

Eric Hunt: Well, check out “holocausthandbooks.com”. I actually have a new, I wrote an article that’s going to be featured in a book that just got released. It’s called, “Curated Lies” and it’s Carlo Mattogno’s book, and it’s really great. For instance, so the, the curators of the Auschwitz museum recently put out a book claiming to find these original German documents, which, you know, they read the tea leaves and they claim this is proof of the extermination program using gas chambers, right? But Carlo Mattogno and, you know, just breaks it down and makes fools of these people.

[Image] “Curated Lies — The Auschwitz Museum’s Misrepresentations, Distortions and Deceptions”

For instance they mis-translate a German word, I believe it’s, “Brennstellen”. And they claim this means there were nineteen burning pits at Auschwitz, that is referenced in this document. Well, Mattogno points out that they deliberately mis-translated this word, and it refers to nineteen “electrical sockets” at the power plant. So, this is just absolutely, when you consider people calling this a hoax, can it really be that simple that there’s deliberate mistranslations of words like this? And, well, yeah it is.

So, I would like people to check out that book, it’s called, “Curated Lies”. You can get it on Amazon and also holocausthandbooks.com. They’ve got a lot of free books you could download there in PDF, in Kindle form. You know, there’s a lot of good books. I think everyone should should read, “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century” by Dr Arthur Butz. Also, “Dissecting the Holocaust” by Germar Rudolph. These are good books if you’re first getting into this to check out for some good summer beach reading!

John Friend: Right. Yeah, yeah, exactly! Well, you see that’s the thing that’s so amazing to me, is that there really are dozens and dozens of books that have been written by very serious and scholarly individuals who have thoroughly debunked virtually every single aspect of the official holocaust narrative. It really has been conclusively demonstrated at this point that this story just is not true at all!

Eric Hunt: You know, it’s, you know, sometimes, as has been said before, sometimes revisionist, even including myself, sometimes we doubt and waver, you know, whether what we’re doing is right. Maybe we’re wrong, but there needs to be some people holding the other side accountable, otherwise they can just quote total lies, like this, that nineteen electrical sockets somehow become nineteen burning pits of fire, where cremations of gassed Jews were going on.

So, why should we apologize for holding these people accountable and why, especially when we could point out what we’re doing is right and true?

John Friend: Exactly yeah. Well and it’s not only that, it’s really a matter of free speech, and free expression, and freedom of historical inquiry, right? We should be able to investigate any aspect of our history, without any consequences, right? This is one of the most taboo subjects in the Western world today, and it’s just wrong we’re not allowed to question it or do serious research into it.

Eric Hunt: Yeah. I think, you know, was one of the, you know, when I was young I read “1984”, a few times. So, when we’re told, “Who controls the past, controls the future” and all this other propaganda, it really, you have to really be looking at this Holocaust story as an Orwellian tool against the world.

John Friend: It certainly is. Yes, that’s exactly what it is. And I mean people, this is got to be the most taboo subject. That the holocaust and Hitler and some of these racial issues, they’re all kind of tied together, right?

Eric Hunt: Yeah.

John Friend: You know, it’s like the most, I mean, you bring it up to people and they’re like, “Whoa this guy’s crazy! He’s a Nazi!” And that’s why I think it’s important to debunk all this stuff because it’s just not true. And it’s really holding the entire world back at this point.

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Eric Hunt: Well, yeah. I mean, I think, you talk about progress and things like this. There is, I think there’s been a real stagnation in just intellectual progress since the, quote holocaust. I think, one second I’m trying to, …

John Friend: It’s all good. I think you’re right! I mean, I think it really has retarded historical inquiry and scholarship and everything else. It’s degraded everything.

Eric Hunt: Well, I know you mentioned race, which is a real controversial subject. So, essentially the people in control have enacted, “race denial”. They are forcing others to become race deniers. Deny that the most obvious thing to anyone, the difference between black and White, is not true. And certainly that’s one of the things that got my attention when I was first becoming aware of revisionism and things like this. It was obvious there were racial differences, but we were told we were evil if we ever even think of that! And of course that’s connected to the holocaust and supposed theories that the Nazis had. So since, since the holocaust we can’t show that race is the real thing and not a social concept, construct.

John Friend: Right. Well, and that’s what I mean. I mean the fake holocaust story is tied into so many other aspects of what’s going on today. That this war against the White race – and I think that is exactly what’s going on – is fundamentally tied into this fake story.

And one question I had for you. After researching the holocaust so extensively, what are your views of Hitler now and National Socialist Germany, generally? I mean if you come to look at him. Have you come to look at Hitler and Germany in a totally different light now? Because most people just assume they were these evil monsters, basically.

Eric Hunt: You know. I don’t think I’ve really changed much over the years. I really can’t support a lot of the militarism of Hitler. Of course, I think the anti-Slavic stuff was, seems nonsensical just when you consider the threats that are faced by Europeans today. That there would be hatred against Poles, for instance, which you can hardly distinguish them from Germans.

So I am not really the biggest Hitler promoter, but I do view him as an important figure and philosopher and I’m not afraid to quote him, for instance, about what he says about the “big lie”. And a lot of people thought the “big lie technique” was something that Hitler and Geobbels used to trick the German masses. But in reality, he’s pointing out that Jews are the masters of the “big lie”. And Dr Arthur Butz pointed out that in this he basically prophesied the Holocaust. This big lie that we know of today.

John Friend: Exactly! Yeah. It’s amazing reading that quote and that’s in Mein Kampf. I’ve read that quote many times on various radio programs and I’ve quoted it in different writings and blog posts that I’ve done. And I mean, it really is prophetic, the way it’s really a precise analysis of how the jews use the “big lie technique” to deceive the masses and to advance their agenda. He absolutely nailed it!

Eric Hunt: Well, I think he even pointed out that he wasn’t even the first to point this out! Martin Luther and Schopenhauer have pointed this out before him.

John Friend: Right. Well, I’m wondering, do you consider yourself a, sort of like, a White nationalist nowadays, or just like a racial realist? How would you describe your racial views?

Eric Hunt: You know, when I was in high school I was in this club called the International Society and we learned about different people’s cultures. Actually as part of this club we went to the Holocaust Museum in DC. But anyway, I think all people, … I prefer culturalism to multiculturalism. Multiculturalism, it’s pretty obvious at this point, it’s used as the first step in a genocide against Europeans. So, I believe European people have a right to their own culture and heritage and genetics.

[39:50]

John Friend: Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you. I mean, I respect other cultures and want to learn about other cultures and visit other cultures, you know. I don’t see a problem with that, but you can see the agenda behind multiculturalism. And massive immigration, for example, these are all agendas that have always been promoted by the organized jewish community, in their efforts to undermine and pervert and ultimately destroy traditional Western countries. And that’s exactly what’s going on today.

Eric Hunt: While in Israel they build a wall around the entire country and claim it’s the jewish homeland and they apparently even sterilized African immigrants! It’s a, quote some people say it’s a double standard but, it’s not at all. It’s their strategy to dominate.

John Friend: Right, it is. It’s the hypocrisy is so incredible, so amazing. And really so blatantly in your face, anymore. I don’t understand how people can’t see it, you know.

Eric Hunt: Yeah it’s been, I have, I’ve known this, I’ve known something was wrong, very, very, for many, very many years. So it’s sort of surprising that there’s still people who haven’t figured what’s up. But I think there’s signs that people are waking up and I think in many ways 2015, especially with these terrorist attacks and the rise of these, quote, far right parties, will be known as a turning point, if European people are able to regain control of their own destiny.

John Friend: Yes I agree. And that kind of leads into another question I had for you. Do you view, revisionism, holocaust revisionism, and just telling the truth about World War Two and Hitler and National Socialism, as key to White liberation, and to this struggle to maintain the White race?

Eric Hunt: You know there’s, there’s people within this, with two different strategies. One of them thinks we can sidestep the “Holocaust” issue and forge ahead. I’m not necessarily a promoter of that idea, but I wish them luck.

But, I think it is key that we certainly don’t allow, whatever did happen during this time period, to allow us to essentially go extinct, to be exterminated, through the, the social engineering in motion to make us hated minorities in the countries as we founded. And eventually we see the other populations being turned against us and incited against us to commit violence by these jewish media owners.

John Friend: That’s right, yeah. And I don’t think that it can be avoided. I think we have to tell the truth about this subject! Not only just for the integrity of our society, but also because it is used as a weapon against the White race and against White interests.

And see, if you think about it, the holocaust – and there’s public opinion polls that have been done – the strongest aspect of jewish identity is this fake holocaust story. That this is how Jews identify. This is what resonates with them.

And so the holocaust narrative is used to advance jewish interests. It’s used as a way to strengthen jewish identity. And of course we talked about the whole industry that surrounds it, the financial benefits that come with it, the sympathy racket. So it’s used to strengthen jewish identity and to strengthen jewish interests, while demonizing, and ultimately rendering illegitimate White interests and White identity itself.

Eric Hunt: Yet not only that, just even the concept of people continuing to be White at all. You know, we see blond hair and blue eyes demonized, everywhere. And the concept of, you know, as we see the progression from, you know, gay marriage to, now it’s Transgender bathrooms.

There’s talk about pedophilia normalisation. The same sort of progression is happening against Whites and White interests. Now, you’ll be considered racist if you don’t want to, if you want to have White children, for instance.

John Friend: I know, it’s so absurd. And the media will portray anybody who’s pro-White as somehow a Nazi who wants to murder Jews! I mean, that’s how ridiculous it is. And that’s how truly weaponized this narrative has been.

[45:00]

Eric Hunt: You know, I think, going back to some of these last few questions. It’s important to understand the origins of why these Nazis supposedly, not supposedly, but why they hated jews. You know, at the United States Holocaust Museum, which I was there this last March filming for a new video, they have a kid’s exhibit.

[Image] Remember the Children: Daniel’s Story is the Museum’s primary exhibition program for young people ages 8 and older. The exhibition tells the story of one family’s experiences during the “Holocaust” from the perspective of a boy growing up in National Socialist Germany between 1933 and 1945.

And of course, they’re told in this kid’s exhibit that they were hated just because they look different. But, that’s not true at all! It’s their behavior, it’s their actions and it’s their subversion, demoralization and theft. It’s various actions that causes people all over the world to have expelled them. What is it over one hundred twenty times now, from their countries?

John Friend: Yeah, it’s at least at one hundred and nine, that I know of. Or that’s often cited, yeah. I mean it’s literally over one hundred times these people have been in expelled because of their actions, right!

And that’s interesting that you brought up your experience at the Holocaust Memorial Museum. I actually went there last fall and I took a bunch of photographs and walked around, and would you believe man, I walked in there, I walked up there to get in line, and of course there’s all these school kids out there lined up, hundreds of school kids.

And the line was so long that they took a group of us to the back of the building to get in. And right when we walked in there’s this, quote unquote, “holocaust survivor” sitting at this table. And it’s got a sign on the table that says, “Donations”. You had to pay this guy to talk to him! [laughter from Eric] I mean, it’s such a racket. It’s so disgusting and people fall for this crap!

Eric Hunt: You know, the weirdest thing, was one of those survivors, supposedly, that’s what they’re called, when I got there I was joking. I went with Germar Rudolf, he’s going to be hosting the video, and I was joking to him because I went as a school kid myself, twice with two different clubs, and I think, … No I went with the boy scouts one time and then, like I said, the International Society. So, I had a vague remembrance, so I was joking with him that I think it’s pretty vague and in the museum, you know, they keep it dark and sort of spooky, they don’t get into really, … I don’t think, I don’t know if we’ll have anything to really debunk, you know. I said, “I don’t think they have any gas elevators” or anything ridiculous like that. But sure enough, when you enter there, this survivor gives you cards, fake identification cards of literally fictional people that you’re supposed to assume the identity of.

[Image – click to enlarge] Identification Card, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington DC.

From the “Education” Section of the USHMM website: “Designed as small booklets to be carried through the exhibition, the cards help visitors to personalize the historical events of the time. (…) The Museum has developed nearly 600 identification cards. Approximately half of them are about Holocaust survivors. These cards describe the experiences of those who hid or were rescued, as well as those who survived internment in ghettos and camps. The other half represent the experiences of people who died. (…) To create the identification cards, a team of five Museum staff members interviewed 130 survivors of the Holocaust. The survivors described their own experiences as well as those of relatives who died during the Holocaust. The identification cards were developed from those interviews and from other oral histories and written memoirs. Each identification card has four sections. The first section provides a biographical sketch of the person. The second describes the individual’s experiences from 1933 to 1939, while the third describes events during the war years. The final section describes the fate of the individual and explains the circumstances – to the extent that they are known – in which the individual either died or survived”.

And they put you on this elevator. Now this elevator looks literally like something from Disney World, Tower of Terror! It’s deliberately made to look like it’s decaying and rusted and falling apart. It looks like Hollywood special effect. So you’re put on this bizarre, decrepit elevator, it’s like a Holocaust elevator. And they bring you up to the top floor and they’re showing you, like I said these bodies of the liberation. So, yeah, we went into a gas elevator essentially.

John Friend: Yeah, I know exactly what you’re talking about. What was your general thoughts on the museum?

Eric Hunt: Well, it was, … I went there when I was sort of in post production, you could say, on this latest video so, I was somewhat happy to see a lot of the issues and points I brought up, to to be reflected in the museum itself. Because, I vaguely sort of know that, … Why do Americans believe? We believe because we saw these terrible images of bodies. So, that’s the first thing you see when you get off the elevator. There is, you know, the camps, Western liberated camps, which today are not even claimed to have had homicidal gas chambers. In fact, a lot of these camps are overcrowded because, a lot of these people who were in Auschwitz, tens of thousands of them, who weren’t gassed, were crammed into these Western liberated camps as they were fleeing the Soviets. So, …

John Friend: They were fleeing the Soviets, not the Germans! That’s the amazing part.

Eric Hunt: A lot of them chose to, …

John Friend: A lot of them chose to, … Exactly, yeah. That throws a major wrench in this whole idea that the Germans wanted to murder all these people. And I mean, of course, just the fact that they had hospitals and they were providing sanitary living conditions, and food, and whatnot, to these people. I mean, that totally debunks the idea that they wanted to murder them all.

[50:00]

Eric Hunt: Yeah, just like how did any survive? how did they even get to this the last stage where they’re there in these camps at the, after, like I said, after going through Auschwitz? It doesn’t add up.

John Friend: Right. Well, one thing that I really noticed about the museum was, of course, it’s very emotional. And it all plays on our emotions, the whole, almost every single exhibit in the entire thing. It’s all a big “Feel sorry for the jews”. That the poor innocent Jews, they didn’t do anything! They’ve sort of taught all these blacks and all these Mexicans that of course they didn’t do anything either. They are always innocent, and it’s always the evil White man at fault.

But that’s really how the whole museum sort of operates. It’s feel sorry for the jews. They they are persecuted by these evil Germans. And there’s no objectivity or critical thought put in any of it.

Eric Hunt: You know, something interesting that, right after we got off the elevator, Germar pointed out, there’s a picture of some Germans, I think they looked like they might have been Brown Shirts. But they had signs that said, “Stop Jewish Atrocity Propaganda”. And I think this is, this is well before any of the, quote holocaust. There are these stories that the Germans were doing these bizarre things. So, … Wow! That’s a story in itself.

And of course there’s nothing about the fire bombing of German civilians, totally innocent. But, you know, it was really surprising to me, I mean what Germar said, is that it’s basically a totally one-sided view of the entire war. It’s obviously jewish supremacists, as if only their lives matter.

But, what really surprised me was that I thought when I went there as a kid that there would be something like, “Rah, rah! America, you saved us! Thank you! We’re so appreciative!” but, I didn’t see any of that. There’s no, there’s no thanks for the Americans who risked their lives to liberate these camps of jews. It’s really like you said, it’s against the entire European people. All blame is on them.

John Friend: It is, yeah. Well there’s not only no thanks to us, there’s:

“You didn’t do enough, you didn’t, you guys didn’t intervene fast enough!” you know.

Eric Hunt: Yup.

John Friend: These people have a lot of nerve, man! That’s for sure.

Eric Hunt: Chutzpah!

John Friend: Well, yeah, exactly! You know, I wanted to bring up a couple recent news items that I came across just earlier this morning and over the course of the past couple days. Just to demonstrate that literally this holocaust narrative is on display every single day. It’s being used to advance jewish interests and to demonize White people and to exploit White people.

Here’s an article from the Jewish Daily Forward. And many people know about this, they’re still prosecuting and arresting Germans who worked at Auschwitz, or some of these other camps. Here’s the headline:

“Ninety four year old Auschwitz guard apologizes to victims in court”.

This poor guy was brought before court and charged with accessory to murder. I think it was 170,000 people. He worked at Auschwitz for a little bit. And they’re arresting this guy and he’s ninety four years old! I mean it’s just ridiculous!

Eric Hunt: Well, it’s sick. It’s really sick. I think Ursula Haverbeck protested, maybe at that man’s [trial] but they already sentenced her to ten months in jail, but she’s appealing. She still has the courage to protest.

[Image] Ursula Haverbeck has been sentenced (Nov 11, 2015) to 10 month’s imprisonment by the Hamburg District Court “for doubting that people were ‘exterminated’ by ‘gassing’ in the Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz.” More accurately, she is being punished for expressing this view in public.

She’s eighty seven years old, I believe. And she’s protesting this. And apparently, I believe, that ninety three or four year old man was a doctor in the Auschwitz I main camp. So he didn’t even see anything that was supposedly happening in Birkenau, which is where all the massive amount of gassing was [allegedly] happening. So, this is a doctor, that probably was used to save the lives of Germans [jews], had nothing to do with what is claimed, whatsoever, and probably wouldn’t have known about it, if it were happening.

John Friend: Exactly, yeah. Well, and that’s also what’s really ironic about the whole Zyklon B narrative. Because, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that used to actually fumigate the clothing and the bedding of these inmates and to prevent typhus and other diseases from spreading. So in essence, it was used to save jewish lives, not kill them.

[55:06]

Eric Hunt: Yes. It was used to kill deadly typhus carrying lice which during wartime especially it’s a particularly dangerous, especially in camps and prisons. Lot of filthy refugees can easily spread, cause an epidemic, which has occurred during World War I and throughout European history. So, Germans had this insecticide which is aiming to stem the scenes that we actually have seen of Bergen-Belsen. The use of Zyklon B was actually to save, save the lives of, not only the Jews, but also their guards. They didn’t want these deadly typhus carrying lice to be all throughout these camps system. So it was used also on barracks. It was life saving.

John Friend: Right, exactly. And also there were orders from the German government that if anybody, if any German official mistreated any of the inmates they would be punished. You know, they had very strict rules and regulations in place to make sure that these people were treated properly and humanely.

Eric Hunt: Well, you know, there were reprisals and things like this, especially on the Eastern Front, but, I think you’re referring to, I believe it’s an order by Himmler himself.

John Friend: Right.

Eric Hunt: Because he had heard of some of the wrong doings, I believe in the Buchenwald camp, Judge Konrad Morgan prosecuted Commandant Koch for some of the wrong doings, I believe murder of prisoners. So there was a system in the camps to prevent this wanton bloodshed that we’re told happened at these camps.

[Image] Karl-Otto Koch was commander of a succession of concentration camps; Ilse entered the system when she became a guard/secretary at Sachsenhausen Camp in 1936. Otto commanded the camp at the time.

Otto and Ilse were subsequently investigated for embezzlement and murder conducted while Otto was Commandant of Buchenwald Concentration Camp. Otto had, apparently, drawn attention to himself by murdering SS medical personnel (who had examined him for suspected venereal disease). Ilse was discharged due to lack of evidence, but Otto was convicted in trial before SS judge Konrad Morgen. Koch was executed by firing squad on 5 April 1945, one week before American allied troops arrived to liberate the camp.

John Friend: I know man. It’s incredible how literally it is totally opposite the official narrative is from reality. I mean, like it’s exactly one hundred percent opposite of what we’ve been told. It’s just amazing!

I have two other articles I just want to mention here, really briefly. And these deal with these alleged holocaust survivors, which again I saw at the Holocaust Memorial Museum out in DC. And I’ve seen some of these people in classrooms actually. They come in and they literally traumatize these young kids. And junior high, for example, and even in high school. And this is an article that appeared in The Times of Israel, just the other day, just yesterday. And it says here:

“When teacher Mary Beth Donovan prepared her students to read Anne Frank’s diary, ten years ago, she screened a selection of the famous newsreel clips shot during the liberation of Nazi camps in 1945.”

[Image] http://www.timesofisrael.com/boston-teacher-feted-for-averting-holocaust-denial-in-classroom/

And again those newsreel clips were very traumatizing and they showed all these horrific images. And article goes on to say here:

“Astoundingly, after watching the films, some of Donovan’s students began referring to the genocide and Anne Frank as fake events, that had not occurred. To fight the denial in her classroom, Donovan investigated local survivors who could speak with students about the genocide. She found several articles about Boston area survivor, Israel Izzy Arbiter, the former head of New England’s dwindling Survivor Association. The ninety one year old activist has addressed hundreds of groups through the years, from Boston to Berlin, and seemed a strong choice to convince Donovan students of the Shoah’s veracity.”

[Image] The New England Holocaust Memorial on May 1, 2016

So again, these people are trotted into these classrooms, and they’re literally brainwashing these kids with this ridiculous propaganda.

Eric Hunt: Well, it’s just an oxymoron, you know, what you’re saying that, these people weren’t killed, here’s someone who wasn’t killed, to tell you about it.

John Friend: Exactly! I know. Yeah. The Germans wanted to murder all the jews, but here’s someone who miraculously survived. And one thing I notice is if you listen to these people, they always say, it’s always like the same story, right? They always the only survivor of their entire family, or more maybe like one of their brothers survives or something, but they always say that their whole family was murdered. They were all wiped out and they have all these very vague descriptions of what happened. There’s no concrete details. It’s just amazing.

[60:00]

Eric Hunt: Yeah. And going back to that previous thing about the newsreels. It’s pretty surprising, there was a point I wanted to make in the movie, I just didn’t have time to but, there’s some footage of children at Bergen-Belsen liberated in. One of the children looks very much like Anne Frank and the real message is that the difference between this child, this young girl and Anne Frank, is that Anne Frank succumbed to typhus just days before. Bergen-Belsen was liberated. That’s all! Anne Frank was transited through Auschwitz, was never gassed, was fed, she was sent to Bergen-Belsen where she succumbed to the typhus epidemic. So, it’s when you look at the Anne Frank’s story in particular and some of the newsreel footage, yeah it doesn’t add up.

John Friend: Yeah. It certainly doesn’t. Well there’s one final article and this is coming from the Jewish Federation of San Diego county. I live in San Diego county.

Eric Hunt: All right.

John Friend: And as you know, most major cities they have Jewish Federations and jewish groups. And a major part of the Jewish Federation is promoting the holocaust story and inviting survivors to come speak. And getting money from local governments, from the county government, from the federal government to, …

Eric Hunt: In San Diego you had that creepy looking Mayor, what was his name, Filner?

John Friend: Bob Filner, yeah. Such a disgusting pervert. Yeah, he was a jew. He was in Congress for a while too, and he was the mayor and he was just a total disaster. I think he ended up getting recalled. I know he ended up getting thrown out of office and he’s no longer the mayor. But it was a huge scandal and of course the city paid for all of his legal fees. And paid for everything basically. So he didn’t even really get in all that much trouble besides from being embarrassed and being exposed as a major sexual deviant and pervert.

Eric Hunt: Well, I mean you’re talking about local government, it’s like. I’m sure he was involved with funneling money to these Holocaust organizations, things like this.

John Friend: Oh, no doubt! Yeah, exactly. Well this lady that they do like a highlight of this alleged holocaust survivor named Marsha. And this is a quote from her, she says, “I only live for the holocaust”. [laughter from Eric] This is what she’s saying, “I only live for the holocaust”. She wakes up every day and goes out and tells her fake story to traumatize people and to advance jewish interests.

“Wanting as much as possible and as many children as possible to hear her life story.”

I mean, this is what these people do man, they live and die for this fake holocaust story.

Eric Hunt: Yeah, I mean, it’s the top promoters they know they’re spinning fiction and they enjoy it, they get a kick out of it. They, … A lot of them actually have a sort of artistic, they had an artistic bent already, some of them. Might have been interested in writing. And being poets, or some of them are painters, some of the actors, literally such as Dario Gabbai, the supposed sonderkommando. So, the top ones that are promoted to the forefront they, think it’s as interesting as being on the Broadway stage and they revel in it.

John Friend: They certainly do. And I mean, of course, there’s all sorts of financial benefits associated with it. It’s a very lucrative sort of business to be involved in.

Eric Hunt: Well, you know, what they say:

“There’s no business like Shoah business!”

John Friend: Absolutely. Well, Eric I think we’re going to go ahead and wrap up. This is a good discussion. I’m glad to touch base with you again. I think you’re doing great work. And I really encourage people to go check out your documentaries, and to support your work if possible. Do you want to give out your website, one more time?

Eric Hunt: Yeah. It’s “questioningtheolocaust.com”. And like I said, I’m trying to improve these production values. We can do a lot with a little. And hopefully have people appreciate it they can donate. And also think about John here, you know, I heard about you and how you lost your job because of jewish pressure groups, essentially. And you sacrifice a lot, so. To some people this is entertainment that you and I are doing. But, I know you have felt the real boot coming down on you and, you know, what it’s difficult. I mean I know I’m banned from PayPal and I don’t know if you are.

John Friend: Yeah. I got banned from PayPal.

Eric Hunt: So, hey guys, like, it’s embarrassing sometimes to ask for money but, we need it to continue to keep doing this and to improve what we’re doing. So, if you like what John’s doing, send him some money. If you like what I’m doing send me money [laughing]! You got to, we want to keep growing. I think I’m holding my end of the bargain, I’m trying to improve these production values. John’s doing what he’s doing. So, yeah, I hope some people step forward. We have a lot of talent in this movement, it’s just a matter of funding it at this point.

John Friend: That’s right. Well, I really appreciate your words man. That means a lot to me and I think you’re doing great work and this is very important. I mean we got to set the record straight and debunk this fake story in our lifetimes. That’s my goal! I want people to be openly denying the holocaust in the next twenty years!

Eric Hunt: Yeah. Add me on Twitter, @holocaustdenier.

John Friend: Oh nice. OK, very good, you are on twitter?

Eric Hunt: Yeah.

John Friend: OK, perfect. All right. Well Eric, thanks a lot man, I appreciate it. It’s always nice chatting with you. Will have to do this again in the future.

And yeah, I just want to thank everybody for tuning in today. We will talk to everybody very soon.

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Phil Giraldi on Prigozhin, Wagner “Coup”

Fri, Jul 7, 2023

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“Special Military Operation in Ukraine.”

“Kremlin has nothing to add on question of Wagner chief’s whereabouts.”

“That he’s no longer in Belarus.”

“For all I know, he could be back in Moscow.”

“What kind of incentives can we offer this individual to do just that, to destabilize the Russian government of Putin, by staging what would appear to be a military uprising.”

“Russia is falling apart. Russia is losing the war. Russia is doing this. Vladimir Putin is hated all over the world!”

“Sometimes when you judge Putin by what he says and what he does, he could very much come across as the only adult in the room.”

“If Ukraine is beaten by the Russians in this war (whatever that means in his mind) we would have to intervene and go to war with Russia!”

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Monika Schaefer

Canadian “Holocaust Denial” Bills

May 31, 2022

https://therealistreport.com/the-realist-report-monika-schaefer-canadian-holocaust-denial-bills/

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“The facts around the ‘Holocaust‘ are well established, and well documented.”

“Sounds like this guy is kind of a nut case!”

“Oh, this guy actually makes a lot of sense!”

“Oh. It’s not that we don’t think that “Holocaust” denial is egregious.”

“But oh, “Holocaust” denial is still really bad!”

“We do. Oh! But hate speech is different!”

“Oh yeah! We have freedom of speech. But this is different. Like hate speech is different!”

“Yeah, just for words spoken.”

“Oh, no. That’s not possible. We have total freedom of speech in Germany! It’s in the gungazettes [sp]!”

“Oh yeah! That’s different!”

“The new Criminal Code offense was included in the Budget Bill, but a near identical piece of legislation was also moving through the House of Commons, as a private member’s Bill, which was introduced by Conservative MP Kevin Waugh.”

“The Budget Bill is currently working through the House of Commons. It also includes funding for education programs around racism and anti-semitism, as well as 20 million dollars toward a “Holocaust” Museum in Montreal.”

“Anti-semitism is on the rise. “Holocaust” denial is on the rise.”

“Yeah. The “Holocaust” didn’t happen!”

“Anti-semitism is on the rise!”

“The goyim know! Shut it down!”

“Oh, it’s not that we don’t think that ‘Holocaust’ denial is egregious.”

“Wow! If all the White children don’t commit suicide before the end of the school year, I’d be astonished!”

“Oh, I’m fifth generation colonialist!”

“Oh, you poor girl!”

“Our government takes the fight against anti-semitism and all hate crimes very seriously. No jewish Canadian should be subjected to racism and hateful rhetoric. That has no place in our country.”

“They are confident that the Bill will stand up to any judicial scrutiny.”

“Oh by the year such and such, Whites will be in the minority in this region, that region. And the other regions.”

“Oh. This is just a bogus conspiracy theory! Where’d you get that idea?”

“Is anybody paying attention? Are we going to actually do anything about this?”

“Democracy is jews speak for country run by jews.”

“We do have free speech, that has been granted to us by god almighty at the time of our birth. That is our birthright. And by that we shall live, and also die as free men and women.”

“I feel a thousand times freer than the jail boss.”

“If someone thinks they stand above god almighty, let them step forward. But we shall never abandon, or relinquish, or abdicate, this god-given right, especially not if the psychopaths asking us to do so, are known mass murderers, and child rapers, …”

“I know the power of words in this dark and stormy sea, they are the lighthouses that guide the ships to the safety of the harbor of truth!”

“Oh well, if you drive you can’t go. And if you fly you can. Then you go to quarantine for 14 days.”

“Okay, we need another vaccine jab.”

“Okay, it’s not happening to me. So I can just carry on.”

“Look. No, I’m sorry, I’m not taking a vaccine. I’m not doing this.”

“Oh I want to travel.”

“I want to have my job.”

“No!”

“No! Sorry.”

“Okay. Sorry, I guess I just won’t shop here.”

“Oh this is just forever!”

“Oh my goodness! This is coming right up. And it’s gonna go so fast!”

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