Alex Jones: So your husband, Samuel Melia, is literally a thought criminal out of 1984. This precedent is so dangerous! And that’s exactly why it’s not getting any media coverage, is they want to quietly just put us in their modern gulags.

 

Laura Towler: But basically, Sam was convicted. It’s a very strange crime, but he was convicted for his “intentions” behind publishing these stickers.

 

So the prosecution said:

 

“Every single sticker is legal.”

 

So the messages on all the stickers are legal. They also said that:

 

“The truth is no defense in court.”

 

So if you can prove that all of the stickers are true, that doesn’t matter.

 

And they also said, the third thing, is that there’s no evidence of any crimes or any racial hatred being stirred up because of these stickers. He was literally convicted for his “intentions”, his “thoughts” behind publishing these stickers.

 

And what they did was they took things from our house and they went through tens of thousands of private messages of Sam and tried to build up a profile of him and then presented that in court and said:

 

“This guy is a really bad guy! He needs to go to prison.”

 

Alex Jones: Laura Towler is Sam Melia’s wife over in the UK, just sentenced to two years in prison over anti-immigration stickers, and a mom to a two year old girl with another baby on the way in six weeks.

 

She’s also the deputy leader of Patriotic Alternative, which is Britain’s largest and most active nationalist organisation. Patrioticalternative.org. UK, Telegram. She is a Patriotic Alternative official.

 

Western civilisation is under attack. White people are under attack. I love everybody! I’m not Adolf Hitler!

 

But when the Left mobilises the 93% of the world that’s not White, to then say White people are bad and we have 20 to one black on White crime in the big cities, ten to one in the rural areas. It’s not the majority of black folks, but it’s a very active minority that’s attacking us. And the FBI and the ADL fight like the devil to cover that up. It needs to be repudiated. If we had 20 to one White on black crime, I’d be against it.

 

And her husband put out stickers that I agree with almost all of them, a few., … I don’t try to make the whole thing jewish or whatever, but he has that right to say that and do that. If a lot of the main refugee groups are Leftist jewish organisations. Even it wasn’t true he has a right, but it’s true!

 

So this is so dangerous! And you say:

 

“Well, that’s the UK!”

 

Everything you see in the EU, in the UK, remember they had the deputy head of the EU six months ago? I played the clip like 30 times. And she’s sitting there talking to members of the US Congress at the Davos group. She says:

 

“Oh, you’re going to be shutting your free speech down soon, too, right?”

 

They’re like:

 

“Yes!”

 

So you can say what you want about Elon Musk, but he’s opened up stuff way more than everywhere else. So we’re thankful for what we’re getting there.

 

[03:16]

 

But Samuel Melia, … We will roll some B-roll of him going into court. Then he was sentenced and his wife came out, made a statement. I’m going to post her statement on the real Alex Jones on X. Also posted Infowars.com.

 

But she’s live with us now. Samuel Melia, that’s spelled M-E-L-I-A:

 

“Far-Right activist jailed after sticker campaign.”

 

I want to show you these stickers, says things like, “They seek conquest, not asylum.” And it shows the image of the illegals running across. “Why are jews censoring free speech?” I mean, it is the ADL groups doing that it’s not all the jews, but they have a right to say it, whether it’s true or not.

 

So. Again, you could say:

 

“Well, he’s putting up swastikas!”

 

Which he’s not. You take his right to do that, we all lose our rights:

“Ask not what jews can do for your country. Ask what your country can do for jews.”

 

And again, the average jew doesn’t support this in my view.

 

But what I’m saying is, it doesn’t matter. This guy should not serve two years in prison for this, because he put the stickers online for people to put out. Here’s some of the other ones I wanted to show the, quote, most incinerary ones first. “Tired of the anti-White propaganda?” “diversity, proximity war.” And it just goes on from there. Here’s another one. “They have to go back.” “White, privileged” crossed out “excellence”. Remember, TV viewers, like:

 

“Why are you narrating it? We can see it.”

 

We’re on hundreds of radio stations.

 

So this is what he’s spending two years in jail for. “Import the third world. Become the third world”. I sent you guys some video of Mali in Africa. Let’s roll some of that. Here’s some more. Because he’s got two years in prison for posting this online. “We’re more than a passport. Blood and soil.” Well, yeah, you try to go to Nigeria and create a White majority, you’re going to be thrown out, you’ll be killed. “Mass immigration is White genocide.”

 

Well, I mean, it’d be one thing if we had open borders and the Left and Hollywood wasn’t saying:

 

“White people are inherently evil and bad.”

 

And:

 

“Being White is inherently bad and we’re inherently evil.”

 

This is going on.

 

[05:39]

 

So the backlash is here. And I want to keep it focused on the New World Order and the globalists trying to divide everybody. I don’t hate anybody k　but at the same time, I’m not going to be politically correct and ignore all this is going on because we are all, I don’t care what colour you are, because it’ll be, if you’re anti-war, if you’re against monopolies, whatever it is, they’re setting a precedent, just like with Julian Assange, to put you under the jail if you tell the truth!

 

So we’re all Samuel Melia now!

 

Joining us is his wife, mother, also about to give birch another baby. We appreciate her, Laura Tower. And you can find her at patrioticalternative.org.uk. And whether you agree with her or disagree or agree with some and disagree with some, like I do with some of the stickers, it doesn’t matter. You should support it. Remember, the old ACLU would go out and support the KKK rallying or whoever, and the Nazis, usually they were actually ADL operatives that came out, but these people are not even on that spectrum. And there’s her husband facing two years.

 

So I’m going to try to shut up till we go to break. We’ll come back. We got plenty of time this hour. This is a big deal to start wherever you want, how your husband’s doing, what he really did, what’s happening in the UK. But thank you so much, Laura, for joining us and speaking out for your political prisoner husband.

 

Laura Towler: Oh, well, thank you so much for inviting me on, Alex, and raising awareness of this issue.

 

There’s been quite a bit of silence in Britain from the mainstream news outlets regarding the sentencing.

 

And I’m not sure if it’s because they know that it’s very heavy handed, so they don’t want to raise awareness of it. But basically, Sam was convicted. It’s a very strange crime, but he was convicted for his “intentions” behind publishing these stickers.

 

So the prosecution said:

 

“Every single sticker is legal.”

 

So the messages on all the stickers are legal. They also said that:

 

“The truth is no defense in court.”

 

So if you can prove that all of the stickers are true. That doesn’t matter.

 

And they also said the, third thing is that:

 

“There’s no evidence of any crimes or any racial hatred being stirred up because of these stickers.”

 

He was literally convicted for his intentions, his thoughts behind publishing these stickers.

 

And what they did was they took things from our house, and they went through tens of thousands of private messages of Sam and tried to build up a profile of him and then presented that in court and said:

 

“This guy is a really bad guy. He needs to go to prison!”

 

And they sentenced him for two years in custody with immediate effect. Which is just heartbreaking for us because we have a two year old girl, we have a toddler, but we’re also having another baby in five and a half weeks. And Sam will miss her birth. He will miss her first smile and her first laugh. He’ll miss experiencing her learning to crawl. All these special moments that you can’t get back, even if we do manage to get it overturned in the future.

 

[08:30]

 

So it is literal thought crime. It’s his intentions, his thoughts behind publishing stickers. It’s just a travesty! And it’s so good to get so much support from nationalist and patriotic people across the world. And thank you for helping to raise awareness of this.

 

Alex Jones: Oh, we’re all in this together. So your husband, Samuel Melia, is literally a thought criminal out of 1984! This precedent is so dangerous, and that’s exactly why it’s not getting any media coverage, is they want to quietly just put us in their modern Gulags.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, well, when the judge sentenced him, he sentenced him for two years, and he said:

 

“I do have the ability to suspend that sentence.”

 

Which would mean you don’t actually go into custody. You’re at home. But if you misbehave again, I’ll send you down. He said:

 

“I do have the ability to suspend your sentence, but I’m not going to because I want this to act as a deterrent to other people with the same beliefs.”

 

So he’s literally admitted in court that he’s sent into prison to deter other people from being the same as Sam.

 

Alex Jones: And I love the part about the stickers aren’t illegal because they can’t admit that they’re trying to ban free speech in your country, the birthplace of, …

 

Laura Towler: I’m really glad that you introduced some of the more “controversial” stickers because there were stickers that said things like, “Love your nation, reject White guilt.” “It’s okay to be White”. There were stickers about abortion. There were stickers about the LGBT community, about saving native species and the environment. There were stickers about Covid. And there was one saying, like, I think it said something like, “Pubs closed, borders open!” Like, if you’re locking us down and not allowing people to go to work and destroying businesses, why are the borders open?

 

Alex Jones: Well, let me ask you this, Laura, because this is a “Streisand effect”. This is backfiring already. Where do we go to find your husband’s stickers in total? And we’ll just put them on screen while you’re talking. Where’s the best place?

 

Laura Towler: Well, I’m a bit scared to share them.

 

Alex Jones: Oh, because you’ll get put in jail. Oh, wow! You’re in such a free country!

 

Laura Towler: However, if you go to Telegram, it was called The Hundred-Handers. And the Telegram channel is still up. So if you want to go to The Hundred-Handers Telegram channel, you can go and see all of the stickers. There’s 310 stickers in total.

 

Alex Jones: The Hundred-Handers group.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, it’s The Hundred-Handers.

 

Alex Jones: The Hundred-Handers on Telegram. And maybe I’ll get arrested by the UK if I ever go back.

 

Laura Towler: You might get banned!

 

Alex Jones: Because I’m going to show these. Everybody has a right to see these. Wow!

 

[11:00]

 

And then there you are. And I understand it. You’re not in a free country, you’re afraid to even tell us where we can see what he’s been put in jail for two years. That is literally Kafka-esque in 1984! You’re not even allowed to discuss why the Ministry of Truth has disappeared him. Where is your husband right now?

 

Laura Towler: He’s in prison! He’s in prison in Leeds. He got took down straight away on Friday. Luckily, his cellmate had some credit on his card, so he was able to phone me on. I think it was Sunday that he phoned me. And he just let me know that he was okay.

 

But now I haven’t heard from him since because they’re processing him through the system. He has to get my number confirmed. He has to allow his credit to sort of go onto his account and all that kind of stuff.

 

So I haven’t heard from him since Sunday. I am worried, but I think that’s probably natural. I’m pretty sure he’s okay. Yeah. Just waiting to get a phone call from him, really. But he’s in prison.

 

Alex Jones: Of course they built Covid centres all over the country. I know he was an activist against that they built them all over every Western country. They’re now saying in Australia, the UK, when the next lockdown comes, if you criticise it, they’re going to lock you up for your speech.

 

So they’re building political prisoner camps all over the Western world right under our noses and normalizing it by throwing your husband in jail for posting stickers online!

 

Laura Towler: Well, that’s the problem with these laws. They’re written in such an ambiguous way that’s open to interpretation, so they can pick and choose who they go after. There are, like, far-Left groups like Antifa and stuff which literally put stickers up about murdering Tories, “Kill your local racist.” “Kill your local fascist”. They don’t know what fascism is.

 

But these people don’t get targeted by the police. The police can pick and choose the individuals that they want to persecute. And because my husband is a White advocate, he’s a White person who advocates for our people and he criticises the government, they’ve gone after him.

 

Alex Jones: I was telling the crew that they should pull up Justin Trudeau in Canada. He’s got legislation he’s trying to ram through where you get life in prison for a hate crime, including speech.

 

Laura Towler: I have seen looks. It just looks terrifying!

 

Yeah, I mean, our laws are getting tighter and tighter and tighter over here. Rishi Sunak actually gave a speech, our prime minister, on Friday evening after Sam’s conviction, and he was talking about coming down tough on Islamist extremists and far-Right extremists. I mean, did he mean, people like Sam? Are they going to toughen up law so that he can do even less, so that we’re not allowed to go out and protest all this?

 

[13:39]

 

Alex Jones: Well, that’s how it’s, … Look, they invade Ireland, they invade England, they invade Scotland. Even got your first minister in Scotland saying:

 

“We’re too White. Scotland’s bad! White people are bad!”

 

And so it’s the UN, the globalists, bringing in the brown people and then training them to hate the White people. I mean, it’d be one thing if he’s brought them in, but then didn’t teach everybody White people are bad. It literally is like Hitler in reverse! It’s racial politics run by the Left because they know 93% of the world’s not White. So they look at the numbers and say:

 

“We’ll just be anti-White now and then make our political movement anti-White!”

 

It’s insane! It’s so evil!

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, well, all of the main political leaders in Britain are foreign. Ireland, Scotland. We’ve got Rishi Sunak in 10 Downing Street, the Mayor of London, who I’m sure you’re familiar with, Sadiq Khan. We don’t actually have an English, or a British representative at one of those senior positions. And you’re not allowed to talk about it unless you’re celebrating it!

 

So if I say “British people are becoming a minority” and I’m against it, I’m a bad person. But if the Guardian newspaper publishes an article saying:

 

“The last days of a White world!”

 

And they celebrate it, it’s a good thing!

 

So you can only talk about demographic change if you’re in favour of it.

 

Alex Jones: I mean, it really is Replacement Migration. That’s an official UN policy. But I have clips of the ADL saying, and different EU officials. If you talk about replacement migration:

 

“That’s hate speech. We want to arrest you!”

 

It’s the UN plan to depopulate the Western world. So I wonder why the Left is openly anti-White, anti-Christian? Because they are.

 

Laura Towler: There’s a lot of social pressures in Britain. I’m not sure if it’s the same in the States, but there is a lot of social pressure over here. And people are very scared of words like “racism”.

 

I mean, Sam’s trial was a jury trial, and on that jury there were three foreign people and nine White people. So eight British people and one Polish woman. And just the pressure to argue for quote, unquote, “racism” in front of a foreigner must have just been too much for them. But people are so terrified over here of the word “racism” and speaking out.

 

And that’s why I want people to just raise awareness of what’s going to Sam and going on with Sam, and just push back against it and say, there’s nothing wrong with these stickers, because hopefully it will embolden more people to say, …

 

Alex Jones: Absolutely! And let’s look here. Here’s some photos that are online of the stickers your husband put out that others got and posted. “Smash fascism.” All that stuff’s fine.

 

[16:12]

 

But then somebody else puts “Capitalism plus communism, two faces of the same shekel.” And then somebody goes:

 

“Oh, shekel’s from Israel, so you can’t say that!”

 

Look, look, either everybody has their free speech or nobody has it, folks! And I’ve been forced to, quote, “be more radical”, not because I hate any group or [word unclear] after any group, but because literally all over the Western world, White people are being demonised as the devil, just as jews were in Nazi Germany. And we shouldn’t sit here and take it, folks! I don’t care what your background is. Black, White, old, young, nobody should be taking this crap! And the intimidation and the communists and the globalists using race as a way to intimidate people needs to end. We need to move the Overton Window back to what Bill Maher said years ago:

 

“Everybody gets to speak!”

 

You don’t get to ban Alex Jones. Everybody gets to speak.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, I mean, there are probably things that you and I disagree on, probably quite a few things. But if I went out and I saw a sticker promoting communism, I wouldn’t phone the police over it. I might take it down, but I wouldn’t phone the police over it.

 

And if people want to promote open borders and immigration and all this other stuff, I think that they should have the ability to. I think that we should have open and adult and mature discussions about these issues instead of sending people to prison. It’s okay to disagree with somebody. But I think that everybody should believe that people have the right to share their opinions, especially when he’s not encouraging violence or anything. It’s literally just saying:

 

“This is a problem I’ve identified and I’m against it.”

 

When they silence topics like this, all they’re doing is pushing them underground. People are not going to change their minds about it.

 

Alex Jones: Laura, we got to go to break. Laura Tower@patrioticalternative.org uk I was about to go there next. They wanted to put him in jail for prison to send a message, but now they don’t want it covered because it backfired. We’ll talk about that paradox.

 

[18:12]

 

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[19:11]

 

This is not a standalone case that we’re talking about right now. Two years in jail for posting online stickers that people can print off. The case of Samuel Melia and his wife with a two year old baby girl and a baby, five and a half weeks out. Two years in prison for his intent to expose the invasion of the UK run by the UN and the globalists to bring in a political permanent underclass, they can brainwash and be anti-White. They’re the ones creating the racism, the classism. They’re the ones doing this. The clash of civilisations! We have all the footage of a year and a half ago. There’s so many. A woman prayed 50 yards across the street from an abortion clinic, silently arrested!

 

So if you stabbed people, you got out of jail the next day in the UK. Yeah. Here’s the footage. Go ahead and roll the audio of this.

 

Police: What are you here for today?

 

Woman: [words unclear] here?

 

Police: Why here, of all places? I know you don’t live nearby.

 

Woman: But this is an abortion centre.

 

Police: Okay. That’s why you’re standing here? Are you part of the protest?

 

Woman: No.

 

Police: Are you praying?

 

Woman: I might be praying in my head.

 

Police: So I’ll ask you once more. Will you voluntarily come with us now to the police station for me to ask you some questions about today and other days where there are allegations that you’ve broken public spaces protection?

 

Woman: If I’ve got a choice, then no.

 

Police: Okay, well, then you’re under arrest. On account of suspicion of failing to comply with the public spaces protection order, which is under the Antisocial Behavior Commons BC Act 2014. I’ll caution you again, you do not have to say anything. It may harm your defense if you do mention when questioned, something which you later on in court say may be given. Do you understand the caution?

 

Woman: I do.

 

Alex Jones:

 

“Our silent thoughts and nobody’s business. Catholic woman who was twice arrested for silently praying near abortion clinic says she fears police are becoming ideologically driven, and she vows to carry on doing it on a weekly basis.”

 

I can show you the footage of the highly decorated Special Air Services fella. This is two years ago. There’s hundreds of examples. I could just think of myself. There’s thousands of arrests every month. They brag about it. He put on Twitter at the time, an image of if you put the trans flag together, four of them, it makes a swastika. Arrested! Last time I checked, he was in jail for a long time. So dangerous.

 

So Laura Tower is pregnant. She already has a two year old girl with her husband, who’s a political prisoner. Samuel Melia. You made a lot of great points. I was interrupting and jumping in, but just starting over, going back to the so-called trial, the judge, his intent, his thought crime. And then I’m going to try to give you the floor here for 10, 15 minutes or so to just tell everybody what you want to say. You’re a really smart lady. You got the floor.

 

[22:12]

 

Laura Towler: Okay. [chuckling] I’m not really sure where to start. But, yeah, like I said at the start, I was shocked when the verdict came and I was shocked when the sentencing came. And every day it just becomes more and more and more surreal and I become more and more and more angry at it! Because like I said at the start, everything on the stickers was legal. All of that text is legal. In addition to it:

 

“The truth is, no defense in court.”

 

Is what they said.

 

And then they said that no crimes had been committed because of these stickers. It is literally his “intentions” behind these stickers, which he’s gone to prison for. And we can deal with it. And whatever they throw at us, we can handle. But the saddest part is him being disconnected from his children, missing the birth of his second child and missing all those special milestones that happen in the first six to eight months or so. we want to push back against it.

 

What I would ask people to do is, if they’re watching this and they disagree with what’s happened to Sam, if you could continue to raise awareness about his case and kick up a fuss about it. If you’re in Britain, if you could contact your local MP about it. We are looking at if there’s a possibility of appealing the verdict, and also if there’s the possibility of pursuing legal action against the police. We are speaking to legal professionals on that.

 

But if, you know, anyone that can help with that regard, obviously that would be brilliant!

 

But what I would really like people to do is become involved in something. If you’re against this anti-White narrative that is pushed on us regularly and consistently, become involved with an organisation in your country. In Britain, and with Patriotic Alternative. We’re a British advocacy group that stands up for the interests of British people. We do a lot of community building. We’re involved in the electoral route as well. We raise awareness and act as a pressure group. It’s an absolutely fantastic group! It’s Britain’s largest and most active nationalist organisation, patrioticalternative.org.uk.

 

I will also say that everybody at Patriotic Alternative is still suspended from Twitter or X. Myself, my husband, Sam. PA’s leader, Matt Collett is still suspended. If you can pressure Elon Musk potentially to allow us back on. We were all suspended on the same day at the same time and never given a reason why. When we appeal it, the appeal just gets quietly shut down. And they just don’t respond to us. If you could get us back on there, it would allow us to continue spreading Sam’s story and also defend ourselves because there are a lot of lives going around about Sam at the moment. And to be able to debunk them and actually get his story out there, that would be brilliant! Thank you.

 

[24:47]

 

Alex Jones: That is the worst part, because I’ve experienced it for five years. Being banned everywhere. You’re not just taken off-line, you can’t defend yourself and they can make up anything they want. They steal your identity.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, exactly! And a Patriotic Alternative, we’re lied about constantly all the time. We’ve been going for over four years now and the press will put out an article about us and it’ll just be complete lies! And we can’t respond to it at all! And they’ll turn comments off on the article so that nobody can reply to it. And it just means that they’re allowed to misrepresent you.

 

So when people hear about you for the first time, it’s something that’s not true and then they build this impression about you in their head. I just think that freedom of speech for all citizens is so important. And like we’ve know during this interview, you might not agree with everything that Sam said, but he wasn’t telling people to go out and kill people or attack people or anything like that. He was just sharing his opinions and he has the right to do that.

 

Alex Jones: Well, what’s happening is more and more people across the political spectrum and the racial spectrum, when they see the corporate media and the system attack somebody, they know they’re good, or they know something’s being hidden. So it’s gotten so bad now that people see someone being demonised and it backfires.

 

I’ll go back to that question I had before the break. The judge said:

 

“I want to put you in jail for two years. Put you in prison for two years for your speech, for your thoughts, literally, for your intent, for putting out these stickers that the public could go see and print and use if they chose to do it.”

 

But there’s almost no coverage in the UK of this because it’s so embarrassing! So they want their cake and eat it, too. They want to intimidate people, but then not have it be in the news. And we’re not going to let that happen. That’s why stories like this are so important!

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, I mean, they all publicized when he got the guilty verdict, they all publicized it, but with the sentencing, it’s been quiet. I think there’s been maybe two sort of like mainstream national news outlets that have reported on it and a couple of local newspapers. Nobody’s really talking about the sentencing, and I think they do know that it’s very heavy handed.

 

[26:54]

 

But I wonder if one of the reasons is because we’re unapologetic about it. What usually happens is if you do something naughty and then they hound you and jump on you and attack you, if you apologise. I think they like the public to see that we’re not know, we’re nationalists, we’re White people. We love our race, we love our people. We believe our people exist and should be the majority of the population in Britain, and we’re never, ever, ever going to apologise about that! So I wonder if they don’t want to publicize Sam’s case and our organisation with regards to this matter, because they’re not going to get that apology? And there’s no point in apologizing anyway because they never accept it.

 

Alex Jones: What would your husband say right now, who’s sitting there in a jail cell for his speech in the once free nation of England? What would Samuel Melia be saying right now if he was on air?

 

Laura Towler: He would say thank you to everyone who’s publicizing his case and all the support that we’re getting as well. And, I mean, we did a video, we filmed a video of him before he went into the court for his sentencing. And he just said:

 

“Don’t let this deter you. I want people to stay involved in the struggle, people to keep telling the truth! I want people to push back against this anti-White system that’s attacking us and oppressing us so much!”

 

That is his main message, really. He doesn’t want people to give up. He wants people to get involved, join the struggle and play our part and just push back against it.

 

Alex Jones: All right, Laura Towler, stay there. Let’s hear more of what your husband would say, who’s in prison for thought crime in the UK. Stay with us.

 

All right. Coming up next hour, I want to do a deep dive on the economy, and we’ve got a lot of documents here, but even NBC News reports, one trillion every 100 days is being issued by the treasury. Biden’s put out more money in the last three plus years than was ever put out in the first, 2048 years or whatever it is the country’s existence. I live here, too, and the same monetisation of debt. And this has happened world-wide, so it’s not just here. I don’t wish this on anybody, but we need to be ready for the crash landing we need to admit we’re in this situation and not stick our heads in the sand.

 

So that’s coming up next hour.

 

Now, Laura Tower’s husband is a major political prisoner. Sam Melia. Two years in jail for posting stickers online that say, our borders are open, we’re being replaced. Stand up for yourself.

 

[29:23]

 

Meanwhile, you turn on any Hollywood movie:

 

“Whites are the devil! Whites all need to be killed. Professors, Leftists. Whites are inherently evil!”

 

And we’re supposed to sit here while they do all this? It’s not enough to call us racist for no reason. Now they’re the ones being completely racist, mainly globalists and think tanks pushing the brown majority world-wide to hate White people. And then White people are like:

 

“Hey, I’m not going to take this! Well, we’ll just throw your arse in jail!”

 

So, Laura, I asked you to talk about what your husband, if he was here, would talk about. I wasn’t looking at the clock. I didn’t realise the break was coming up. I’m sorry. Start over. Your husband is in jail right now, but we’re going to send him prayers and energy and love and support for his free speech. What would he be saying right now? Start over. And then what do you want to say about your husband right now, and why you chose this fight?

 

Laura Towler: Yes, well, sorry for talking when your break was about to start. Sam, if he could get a message out there, he would say what he said in the video that we filmed before we went into court. And that is just don’t be put off by what’s happened to him, because I honestly do believe that we’re the majority of people.

 

If you look at the response to what’s happened to Sam, 99% of the comments on social media are supporting him. Even people who don’t agree with him are saying he has the right to say this.

 

Alex Jones: And by the way, start over. I just want to say this. That’s why they want you silenced, is because you’re good people standing up for yourselves under attack. And people.c Exactly! People resonate. That’s why they want to silence you, because courage is contagious. Sorry. Start over.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, I mean, Sam is not some evil caricature of some demon or evil guy. He’s just a normal family man. He’s a sign maker. He’s a tradesman. He’s obviously a husband. He’s a father to his daughter. We’ve got another daughter coming in the middle of April. And he’s just a brilliant, kind, strong man!

 

And I think that’s what the establishment fears. They want these “evil Nazis” or these “evil extremists that they can put on a platform and say:

 

“Hey, look how bad the Right are!”

 

But Sam isn’t like that.

 

And I think that’s why he is such a threat to the establishment and why they’ve come down so hard on him.

 

But, yeah, he would just say:

 

“Don’t let this deter you!”

 

Because that’s what they want you to do. That’s what they wanted to do they said:

 

“We are sending you to prison to act as a deterrent.”

 

If you get scared and back off because of this, they’ve won. So what you need to do is get involved. You don’t have to be at the front. You don’t have to be picking up a megaphone like Sam did and shouting in front of loads of people. There are things that you can do behind the scenes. You can write articles, you can raise awareness of stuff on social media. We’ve got hashtag going at the moment, hashtag free Sam Melia.

 

You can get involved in that you can financially support organisations that are going out and doing homeless outreach like we do at Patriotic Alternative. There is so much that you can do but get involved! Use this as a sign to get involved. What’s that thing about where when they cut someone’s head off, like, ten more stand up in its place? That’s what we need to do in response to this.

 

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Alex Jones: Well, it’s really an amazing moment. And I noticed on X or your ban, I think Elon should restore you guys just for the fact you’re political, … I mean, Hamas and Hezbollah are on there literally murdering jews! And that’s okay because, oh, well, they’re a political group.

 

But then, … And I think it should be there so you can see what they’re doing. I think what they did was wrong. I think what Israel’s gone too far now and what they’re doing with attacking the civilians is wrong, too.

 

But we can all have our own opinion right on that. We need to be able to see the facts. But overhead shot on this, it’s in mainstream news. This judge is famous for letting people with child porn and paedophiles off.

 

So this judge looks like a really nasty guy! And what do we know about this judge?

 

Laura Towler: Well, this has all come out since he sentenced Sam. There’s a guy called No Chance who wrote a thread about him on Twitter. And it’s all of these paedophiles that he’s basically given a sentence to. So they’ve been found guilty of something, but it’s a non-custodial sentence, including people who had child porn, images of one year old babies, including people who were repeat offenders.

 

I mean, Sam has a clean criminal record. He’s a man of good character. And there are repeat offenders who are paedophiles who had child porn on their computers, who, this judge has given either a community order, which is community service, or a suspended sentence.

 

Alex Jones: Oh, it’s the same thing with the judges I talked to in Texas, federal judges. It’s in the news. They order them to let child rapists go!

 

So it’s the same thing. I mean, it’s just incredible!

 

Laura Towler: Yeah. Anything involving harming a child should be an incredibly tough sentence. And you want to keep those people away from children forever! But especially when you’ve got a repeat offender. I mean, to me, that’s just absolutely awful how they could do that. And it’s not just one or two. There are lots of judges in this country that seem to give very, very lenient sentences, …

 

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Alex Jones: Especially with what they call the “Asian rape gangs” that are really the Muslim rape gangs.

 

Laura Towler: Yeah, well, actually, while we were in court waiting for Sam’s sentencing, we were sat opposite a rape gang of 42 people. 42 people! 39 men and three women, who’d been responsible for the Kirklees grooming gang. Our press call it the “grooming gang”. They’d raped, abused, and even forced young girls into prostitution. And the judge is in there saying:

 

“This isn’t true. It’s a nuanced issue.”

 

And all this kind of stuff. We literally sat outside, looking in the eyes of child rapists, and you’re telling us that we’re not allowed to talk about it?

 

Alex Jones: Wow! Tommy Robinson’s a great example of this. Put in prison over and over again for a speech, viciously attacked by Antifa. And they would tell him:

 

“Just don’t be political anymore or join us. We’ll give you a job. Just back off. Just give in!”

 

But it doesn’t look like what they’ve done to Tommy and others has worked. What’s your view on Tommy Robinson?

 

Laura Towler: Well, Tommy Robinson has actually raised awareness about what’s happening to Sam, and I really do appreciate him doing that. I think he’s done a good job of raising awareness of the grooming gangs in Britain. I mean, we’ve not always got on. There are things that we disagree with, …

 

Alex Jones: Tommy’s way pro-Israel, which, again, he’s a great guy, I get his view. I understand. The point is he understands what’s happening. He was wrong.

 

Laura Towler: Yes, exactly.

 

And I really do appreciate him doing that because he does have a big platform. And when he spoke about what happened to Sam, and he did seem really angry about it, he raised awareness about that to his followers and to people who were looking at him. And we are thankful that he did that. Whether it was for genuine intentions or not, he still did it, which we do appreciate.

 

Alex Jones: All right, Laura Towler will get updates from you. Stay in contact with us patrioticalternative.org.uk. And people can go out for themselves and see the Thought Crime stickers. I agree with about 95% of them. I disagree with some of them. But hey, he has a right to do it!

 

And I think it came from a good place, but even it came from a bad place. He has that right.

 

And I think you’re a very good lady. And I would imagine if I talked to your husband, he comes off like that. The videos I’ve seen, and I think you’re standing up for yourselves. And compared to the Left, your racial victory all is like a one. And they’re a 50, a scale of one to ten. The Left is off the hook, anti-White, anti-Christian, anti-European! And we need to stand up for ourselves. And I stand up for everybody. Folks, I fight hard against the fact that over half the abortions in America are black kids. I don’t want to kill black babies, but I also don’t want them raised up to hate me because I’m White. See? It is nuanced. Thank you so much for joining us.

 

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Laura Towler: Thank you for having me. And, yeah, everyone who’s listening, please continue to kick up a fuss about this. Thanks, Alex. Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

Alex Jones: All right, you stay in contact with us. Okay?

 

Laura Towler: Okay.

 

Alex Jones: Because I look up and a year goes by as soon as there’s an update next week, two weeks from now, you reach out to us, we’ll get you on. Okay?

 

Laura Towler: Thank you very much. I will do.

 

Alex Jones: Thank you. The lady has a lot of courage. She’s a good person.

 

Again, what White people are doing in response to all this anti-White racism is a one, or a two. On a scale of one to ten, the Left is like a 50.

 

I mean, they are off the chart, foaming at the mouth anti-White! And it’s the ADL, folks. They’re racial politics. The closest things to Nazis I’ve seen is the ADL. And I’ll just call it out because I believe in Martin Luther King, Jr. Judge people according to the character of their deeds. I don’t look at colour. But I’ll tell you this, I’m not going to sit back and be demonised. And attacked anymore. I’m done. I told everybody this.

 

And it was this last summer, my six year old daughter went to a summer exercise camp, and she doesn’t make stuff up. And she’s smart. She sounds like a 30 year old woman when she talks. I tell you, she’s amazing! And she said:

 

“Daddy. During lunch, they played these videos about how White people are bad.”

 

And I confirmed it was real. It’s a cult, folks. You send your kid to a six hour a day sports camp, and they don’t even say it’s political, and it’s got high ratings, and they’re brainwashing your six year old. She’s like:

 

“Am I bad because I’m White?”

 

And then I went and looked it up and found out they did that, and I was like:

 

“Okay, this is it. It’s over! I’m not going to be intimidated. I’m not bad because I’m White!”

 

I’m not going along with this anymore, folks. And black people or anybody else, they’re telling you your back is what colour you are. You just stand up for yourself, too. I’m going to break.

 

Please remember, we’re listeners supported.

 

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Mark Collett — What We Must Do To Win — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — Assad Didn’t Do It – Faked Syrian Gas Attack — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — The Plot to Flood Europe with 200 Million Africans — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — The jewish Question Explained in Four Minutes — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett at The Scandza Forum, Copenhagen – Oct 12, 2019 — Transcript

Patriotic Weekly Review – with Blair Cottrell – Dec 4, 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

Dangerfield – Talking Tough with Mark Collett – Mar 28, 2020 — Transcript

Mark Collett – Sam Melia Sentencing – with Laura Towler – Mar 1, 2024 – Transcript

Joe Marsh – Sam Melia Going into Court Before He was Sentenced – Mar 1, 2024 – Transcript

 

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Mark Collett: Another week, another huge demonstration against illegal migration. And these demonstrations just keep getting bigger and better. And I’m about to play you my speech from that event. But before I do, I just want to play a short clip in order to show you the reception we received when we arrived in Cannock.

 

[Crowd cheering and whistling on PA’s arrival in the town centre.]

 

It was an amazing day and the reception we received from the crowd was absolutely brilliant! If you haven’t attended one of these events yet, please consider joining us in the future. The reception we receive from local people is wonderful. And every time the media cover these demonstrations, the response from the public is always overwhelmingly positive and always results in another wave of inquiries.

 

Please get off the bench, get involved and help us to make a difference. I hope you enjoy the speech.

 

Laura Towler: Okay, we have one more speaker of the day. He’s the leader of Patriotic alternative. He’s my boss and my friend as well. He’s been involved in nationalism and patriotic politics for two decades now. The press likes to talk about him a lot, they like to lie about him a lot. But he’s here today as the last speaker of the day.

 

So please welcome Mark Collett!

 

[crowd applauds]

 

Mark Collett: Hello and thank you for being here. And we know why we are here. We are here because our country is being invaded! Every single day, hundreds, sometimes thousands of mainly young men of fighting age pour across our border in small boats!

 

And all of this is being encouraged and facilitated by our traitorous government! And what makes it worse is, it’s all happening at a time when normal British people are struggling to put food on the table, struggling to heat their homes, and at a time when our streets are covered with servicemen sleeping rough, but there’s no money for us.

 

In fact, we are paying for these young men of fighting age to be ferried across the English Channel and then to be whisked off to three, four, and five star hotels, where they live in luxury, where they live in comfort, where they have the central heating on, where they don’t worry about where their next meal is coming from. And we are suffering! And enough is enough!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

But we’re also here today for another reason. We are here today and the majority of people, the vast majority of people who are here today are White working people. And I’m going to say something that you’d never hear the liars in the media say, you’d never hear the politicians admit to, but White working people are the most marginalized group in the UK! We are the silent majority! We are the voiceless! And we are here today to give you a voice.

 

Every other racial, ethnic and religious group in Britain today is encouraged to come together as a group and advocate for their rights, their well being and their community. Except for us! We’re not allowed to do that. We are silenced when we do that! We are mocked when we do that! We are insulted for coming together and speaking out about our interests, about our concerns. And we are attacked when we stand up for our own people and for our children.

 

Now, I don’t know if you remember a few years ago, a black man [George Floyd] in America died whilst being arrested for robbing a convenience store. And that led to a summer of riots where we saw police officers attacked, we saw members of the public attacked, we saw public property destroyed and we saw statues desecrated.

 

Yet every single politician in this country, every media outlet applauded those people! Listened to their concerns, amplified their voices! Every social media influencer and half baked was-list celebrity changed their profile pictures on social media to support those people! The media took their leaders, put them on television, amplified their voices and told us we should feel sorry for them, we should support them, and we should give them a pass for their criminal activities, for destroying our statues, for attacking our War Memorials.

 

Yet we’re here today at a peaceful demonstration. A peaceful demonstration that aims to highlight one of the biggest hidden scandals of our age! The fact that these migrants aren’t just coming here and getting everything handed on a plate, but they’re coming here and posing a threat to our girls! Our young schoolgirls are suffering an epidemic of harassment, sexual assault, and even rape. And the media are covering it up.

 

Unlike with Black Lives Matter, the media aren’t amplifying our voices! They aren’t saying people should feel sorry for our girls. We aren’t being taken to Parliament to advocate for the rights of our people. We’re being called names! We’re being called bigots! Racists! And Nazis. And I say to the people calling us that, if standing up for the rights of my daughter, and the daughters and granddaughters of the people of Cannock, if that makes me a bigot, a racist, whatever, so be it!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

And what does this all boil down to? It boils down to the fact that the media, the government and the entire establishment takes us for granted, because the media and the government are anti-White! They are importing people at an unprecedented level in order to replace us!

 

If you look at what is happening, it is frightening. White people are already a minority in many of our major cities.

 

In Birmingham, White British people only make up 42% of the population!

 

In London, White British people only make up 37% of the population!

 

And if things continue as they are, by 2066, White British people will be a minority in Britain as a whole! Do you want to be a minority?

 

Crowd shouts out: No!

 

And we’re sending that message today. Our voice will be heard!

 

Now, it’s important that today we remain peaceful. But there are some things we can do.

 

Firstly, let’s run this anti-White media out of business! Stop buying their papers, stop watching their shows, stop paying your TV licence. Stop supporting Gary Lineker!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

It’s time we put them on the dole. It’s time they were sat worrying about their heating bills, and we’ll see if they like it.

 

Secondly, you should write to your local MPs and councilors and ask them if they agree with White people becoming a minority in their ancestral homelands. If they say yes, politely tell them you’re never voting for them or their party again! And let’s hope we put them on the dole.

 

Let’s replace these traitorous politicians before they replace us!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

But the most important thing that I came to say today, and I hope you will join me, I want to make three demands to the politicians in Westminster. I want to make three demands that are completely nonnegotiable.

 

Firstly, charity begins at home!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

We are going to put British people first. Not a penny goes on foreign aid! Not a penny goes on so-called refugees, whilst there’s a single British family who can’t afford to feed their children. Not a penny goes elsewhere whilst there’s an ex-serviceman sleeping rough on our street, hotels for ex servicemen, not for illegal immigrants!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

And one more thing. Not a penny goes elsewhere while there are pensioners who are freezing to death in their own homes! They built this country. They have a right to a cozy, happy retirement.

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

Our second demand is close the borders now!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

We live on an island, we have a navy and we have a lying Conservative Party in power. For 13 years they’ve said they’re going to get immigration under control. It’s all been a lie under this Conservative Party establishment it’s been an open border system. We say no more! Put the Royal Navy to use, stop the boats and send them back where they came from!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

And finally, our final demand, and this is the most important demand we make. The safety of our daughters and granddaughters is non-negotiable!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

Our children should be able to walk to school, play in the parks, go to the shops without the fear of gangs of foreign men accosting them! Our forefathers fought for our freedom and safety. These politicians have handed that freedom and safety away, and we were never asked or consulted.

 

Our final demand is clear, send the illegal immigrants back! Deport them now!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

This is our message to politicians. We, the White British people, have found our voice and our voice is clear. We say, enough is enough! We will not be replaced!

 

[crowd applauds and cheers]

 

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Hail Europa
13 hours ago
This brought a tear to my eyes.. So so so elated, no, overjoyed to see so many UK brits rising together and joining us for the battle against the Anti-whites!!! Keep up the good work!! I am from overseas and I cheer you!!

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MajesticCasual
13 hours ago
Same! Perfectly stated!!

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Alternative Voices Portal
4 hours ago
Antiwhites not welcome here!

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@BritishGammon
13 hours ago
The mic didn’t do it justice and didn’t pick up all the cheers and claps that we heard in the crowd when PA arrived.
The atmosphere was amazing.
I would definitely recommend attending a PA demo in future to experience it for yourself.

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@WhiteZealot
11 hours ago
They should put at least one mic in the crowd, then mix the audio sources in editing.

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SteveOfWessex
13 hours ago
Great speech! great turn-out! and the production quality is superb

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@MrVans
13 hours ago
well done mark! right on message!

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Colin-Mark
13 hours ago
Great crowd in such cold weather – I truly hope the crowds continue to grow as spring and summer come
Please keep up the good work and never give up – I know I won’t even though I am totally outnumbered here in Tower Hamlets

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SomeRandomBloke
12 hours ago
Mark is the modern day Enoch Powell

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Bear With A Care
11 hours ago
I hope not! (Do a search on ‘Enoch’ on the linked Government act..)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_Act_1967#:~:text=The%20Sexual%20Offences%20Act%201967,attained%20the%20age%20of%2021
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Alex Ryan
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Bear with Care… More BS…. Enoch Powell was not a homosexual. Lies about Enoch Powell were put out by Multicult Left Wing Scum and a anti-White British Religious priest , that when he was Question said that it was all lies because he hated Enoch Powell , just like you and your BS.

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silverbullet
13 hours ago
Amazing Mark, great work brother!

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ThinRedLine
13 hours ago
Great work PA, keep growing
We Will Win

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@VicTomised
13 hours ago
It warms my heart to see so many scuffers rocking up to support PA .
(Yes, I know).

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EoghanRua
13 hours ago
Much respect

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MajesticCasual
13 hours ago
Brilliant!!

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@ddebek0126
12 hours ago
It’s great to see that the indigenous people of UK are finally starting to realize and take action to promote the white well-being of their peoples and their nation. Great speech Mark.

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Dr Chunky Biscuit!
12 hours ago
Brilliantly said Mark!!

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@AlexWoodrow
12 hours ago
Great speech.

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Awake since 1997
13 hours ago
Awesome work. Shared to THOUSANDS. Truth will prevail.

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@Firithfenion
12 hours ago
Thank you so much for all your work and efforts

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@What
11 hours ago
Calling out all the fence sitters and armchair critics. Love it.

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JimB
12 hours ago
Excellent speech, Mark. Godspeed.

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@ToniMaravi
10 hours ago
Very powerful speech Mark, well done brother. Good on everybody who attended and made their presence known, you guys and gals are the difference makers in real life.

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@nul_ptyx
10 hours ago
Fantastic speech. Mark is an incredible orator.

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@W_Poe_White
11 hours ago
Well done, Mark.

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@Grumpole
11 hours ago
I see the police were out in numbers to assist Antifa if they dared to turn up and provoke trouble.

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Strawberry_Lynn
7 hours ago
Speaking of Gary Lineker, compare how he was treated to the treatment of Scott Adams. One got his arse kissed whilst the other had his cartoon strip discontinued from lots of J newspapers

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@Nationalist_Moose
8 hours ago
Very well done. You fine folks are a motivation for others and I would recommend people in the UK to get involved. For me I’m across the pond so I can’t really help PA, but the same problems are all throughout the western world. The globalists are trying to destroy western civilization which an essential foundation of course is the European peoples.

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CynanMacNial
8 hours ago
outstanding!

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@Grumpole
11 hours ago
The English are not recognised by officialdom in Britain, it doesn’t appear on official documents, only white British, yet Welsh, Scottish and Northen Irish is recognised. England is only a geographical name.

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Alex Ryan
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We were White British and Britain before England , Wales , Scotland or Northern Ireland existed.

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Channel One
6 hours ago
Excellent new video by handsome truth.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qR5qpesCNvIF/

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Channel One
7 hours ago
Are you having a little temper tantrum and Dr. Dukes show today?

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HydraulicHydra
2 hours ago
It honestly sounds kinda weird to me as an American to hear a Brit raise his voice in an open area. I’ve heard plenty of Youtubers and commentators who were Brittish, but up until now they’ve just been too polite to do something like that. Desperate times, I suppose.

HydraulicHydra
2 hours ago
God DAMN that was based! Good on you, Mark!

Instinct
3 hours ago
White genocide being carried out under the guise of “refugee assistance”

ɗεεɱᵴϯεɾ
5 hours ago
Excellent. Took a minute to warm up, but then the delivery was rousing right through to the end. You keep improving!

@harmlessG
6 hours ago
Don’t forget the best way to resist replacement is to have lots of White children.

Matt Hammond
6 hours ago
Epic speech. Hans Zimmer should do a soundtrack for it.

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@Spectromancer
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That would certainly make it kosher.

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Mark Collett — It’s Okay To Be White — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — Christmas Adverts – Multicultural Propaganda — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — What We Must Do To Win — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — Assad Didn’t Do It – Faked Syrian Gas Attack — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — The Plot to Flood Europe with 200 Million Africans — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — The jewish Question Explained in Four Minutes — TRANSCRIPT

 

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Mark Collett: Good evening everybody and hello and welcome to tonight’s book club. And tonight we are here live on Odyssey, live on DLive, and live on Radio Albion.com. And we are reviewing The Camp of the Saints.

 

Now this is a very, very famous book. And it’s, it’s not just famous because of its content, but it’s famous because of the people who read it, the people who were influenced by it. One of whom was Trump’s original strategist in the 2016 campaign, Steve Bannon. It’s one of these books as many have helped inform his opinions.

 

Now, as I said, we are live on Odyssey, DLive and Radio Albion.com. And tonight’s going to be an interesting stream. Hopefully people will have read the book. And remember, if you haven’t read the book, you can get it for free. It’s very, very expensive if you’re looking for a physical copy in English.

 

But there is a PDF copy and a full audio book up on my Telegram channel so basically you can get them from there. I know not everyone likes reading a PDF off a screen, but certainly I can’t see any problem with anybody reading the listening to the audiobook.

 

So if you have enjoyed this book and if you want to contribute to the stream in some way, you can do. And you can contribute to the stream by sending donations or questions either through Entropy, through Odyssey. Well, there are the only two ways. Any paid donation is gratefully received and will read out the comments live on air.

 

And if you write non-paid questions through Entropy, we will also deal with those if we’ve got time. And as this is the book club, it’s one of our smallest streams, it’s not one of the biggest streams we do, there usually is time for some of those.

 

So please let me know your thoughts as well, and we’ll take your feedback.

 

Now, as I said, this book is one of those very famous books. It’s one of those books that liberals really, really hate. And I actually found this a particularly interesting book for several reasons.

 

And one of those was because I’m actually a big fan of sort of monster or horror films. And I actually found that this book was structured a little like a monster or horror film, because most of the book is about this impending doom! It’s about this flotilla or fleet of beat up old vessels bringing migrants to France. And it’s about the way the nation reacts to that impending horror, and about how a nation decides to either defend their borders or to let in a large group of people.

 

Now this book was written in 1973. So many people would think it was quite prophetic. And some of the things in the book are some of them might be a little off, however, and we’re going to discuss all of that tonight.

 

Sadly, the author of this book is not on the show because he’s actually passed away, so he couldn’t be here even if he wanted to. So if anyone’s wondering why we haven’t got the author, we usually have the author, but obviously that would not be possible in this case.

 

Now, I did say there isn’t an English translation readily available for purchase, but that is something that Claymore Books is working on.

 

So if you are a fan of this book, please, please do either wait for that or get the audio or PDF copies free from my Telegram.

 

Now, we’ll start by going around the group. And we will begin with Natty. Natty, how are you doing, my friend? Did you have a good Christmas? Obviously we didn’t do a book club last month. Did you enjoy this book? What were your thoughts about this book and did you enjoy it?

 

[03:58]

 

Natty: Hi, guys. Yes, thank you, Mark. I had a wonderful Christmas. Very nice, cozy, family orientated Christmas. I’ve also just got back from a week on holiday as well, which let me listen to this book.

 

Going back to what you said quickly, before I give my thoughts on the book, I did actually look for a hard copy and I thought I’d brought a hard copy for about £17 off Amazon. Little did I know when it turned up it was the French language copy, which is relatively cheap and easy to buy.

 

However, like you said, the English copy, if you want to buy it, the only copies I could find were somewhere between 160 and £240. So any of our publishers who are going to publish this book I think is going to be worthwhile.

 

However, the copy I listened to, and I think the one you posted, is one Alex Linder from Vanguard Audio and it’s very well read and he interjects with fairly decent notes. He’s one of our guys. He understands the politics, as I think most of us do.

 

However, I think is something Sally is going to allude to, he does get some of the French words butchered to pieces, I guess, because he’s an American. So it makes for an interesting listen. But it is very well read by him and he does put the correct emphasis where it should be. He talks about if he has to make notes about it, he will. So it’s a very good audio book. If anyone wants to read it, I’m sure I’ll post a link at the end or I’m sure you’re going to post it.

 

As to the substance of the book. There’s a lot to like, and I think there’s a few glaring omissions which I’m sure we’re going to cover. I actually read this book three or four years ago and it was part of my red-pill journey, if you like.

 

But reading it again, it’s quite interesting the way you say it kind of reads as like a monster movie. You’re right. Kind of like a Sci-Fi book from the time, like a Robert Heinlein almost with this fleet that Jean Raspail, he kind of takes away the humanity of the fleet, if that makes sense. And these 800,000 Indians just become this one amorphous like blob in the book, of this evil intent that’s coming to the West to destroy it.

 

So it’s quite interesting. And the reactions of the people who are supposed to be in charge, and and how prescient it was, considering it was written in the 70s. As I was reading it you have to keep reminding yourself that this isn’t a book that was written two or three years ago when the migrant boats were crossing not just the English Channel, but the Mediterranean as well. But actually way before any of that happened, before the fall of Libya, and the killing of Gaddafi, which spurred that on. Raspail apparently had a vision of this happening and put it into this book almost 40 years ago, 45 years ago now.

 

So it’s crazy. It’s crazy that this book predicted so much and gets so much right. But like I said, there is one especially glaring emission, but I’m sure we’ll get to that.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, you keep saying that you see, I thought the glaring error was that fundamentally it has the people coming from India. He foresees this giant mass of people moving from the Indian subcontinent.

 

Whereas I think anyone writing this book today would have basically said it was a mix of people probably from the Middle East and Africa, flowing through North Africa, and they would be coming over sort of on a flotilla of sort of endless stream of small boats. That was, to me, the only thing that he seemed to really miss the mark on. But obviously he was predicting this at a different time. Anyway, we’ll get into that later.

 

And I do want to structure this one a bit more because I want to analyze sort of him as a prophetic character. I want to analyze the book in terms of its sort of power and whether people enjoyed it, but also the fact that I do find it to be written in a very, … Usually books are written as there’s a giant happening taking place. And that might be a world-wide happening, a nationwide or sometimes even sort of a galaxy spanning happening. But the story seems to zero in on individuals that do great things and change the course of that sort of nation, world, or galaxy spanning event like Star Wars. It centres in on Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, princess Leia and it tells their story.

 

Whereas I felt this always felt quite backed away. It didn’t deal with these micro plots and human side of things. It dealt with major national changes from a distance, which I found a very, very interesting way to write a book. But we can discuss that later.

 

Anyway, let’s move on to Aunt Sally. How are you doing Aunt Sally? Did you have a good Christmas. And what were your initial impressions of the book? Did you like it?

 

[09:48]

 

Aunt Sally: Hi, Mark. Hi, everybody. Yes, I did have a good Christmas. As far as the book goes, no, I hate it! I brutally hated it! I thought I’d waste hours of my life listening to it. It’s the first audio book I’ve ever listened to. So that was very much a different thing for me because I’m used to reading things, and when I don’t understand, I can turn back a few pages and go back and recap on what I’ve just read and make sense of it.

 

But with the audio, if I press rewind, it took me back to the beginning. It just didn’t didn’t work for me. So I didn’t like the audio. I didn’t really like the book at all. Sorry. Horrible! I wasted my life. 10 hours or something. [Natty chuckling] I tell you how bad it was for me, but quite often I listen to it in the bath and where it’s been cold. I get in the bath for about an hour. It’s the warmest place in the house. And I fell asleep virtually every time I was listening to it. And then I had to listen to it again in case I missed anything.

 

And what you said you liked the way it was structured. I hated the way it was structured! It was all over the place! It starts at the end, really, and it jumps. What you said about a horror film, because to me, that’s what I’ve written in my notes. It’s almost like a storyboard, like he expected it to be made into a movie or something. Or maybe he hoped that, I don’t know. But no, it’s been torture! Hated it. Horrible book. Horrible! Maybe it’s because I’m a woman and I’m playing girl card. It’s horrible.

 

Mark Collett: Do you think it was a bit dystopian Sci-Fi for you, Sally?

 

Aunt Sally: I like sci-fi. All my favourite movies are Sci-Fi. So no, it’s just trying to work out where the story is. 1 minute it’s in a press office, and another minute it’s on the ship. Each little batch of chapters that I listened to, I’m trying to work out where they are. It just didn’t grab me at all!

 

Mark Collett: Natty, if it didn’t grab Sally, what made it grab you?

 

Natty: Well, even as I was reading it, I thought Sally was going to hate it, but for other reasons. Although, Sally, you did say in our private chat that it was kind of very blokey, very male orientated. And I do understand what you’re saying, but as Mark said, it takes this great big event, this world changing event, and it tries to, I don’t know, have this snapshot of the I don’t know. It happens over the course of about a month or two months, and then it especially Zooms in on the last two or three days where the fleet actually arrives was Off the coast of southern France.

 

The focusing, the chopping and changing and going between different characters. And I think probably there’s five or six areas or characters and geographical locations. There’s a couple in Paris who are also towards the end, there’s an Arabic kind of crime lord, or community leader.

 

There’s the press stuff, which is quite interesting because you’ve got this old dinosaur Right-wing press guy or Right-wing in quotation marks who has almost zero circulation, whereas the direction of travel for every other press and newspaper and radio personality is very liberal, very progressive, very anti-racist. And this guy is kind of struggling against the tide.

 

You’ve got the old man on the coast. So what’s this, three plot-lines so far? The old man on the coast, who has a house in Provence, who watches his fleet, arrives and knows that his house and his village is just going to get destroyed by these people.

 

And then towards the end, there’s also the colonel of the army and the glorious last stand, which definitely is very male orientated.

 

I think Jean Raspail in his notes said that he didn’t want to let the West win at the end. He wanted it to be the disaster that he wrote about and he wanted it to, I don’t know, as a kind of shock as to make us think this could happen, the way everything structured, the way our leaders are, the way the Churches, this could absolutely happen.

 

And he wanted to deny victory for the old kind of knightly or elite ways of the West, which would have saved us. So instead he gave these six or seven men a glorious last stand. And I think they end up getting bombed by French fighter jets at the end and dying. Which is, maybe that’s a male fantasy of these guys who cling cling fast to their ideals right to the end in the face of this new, diverse, anti-racist Europe which swallows up everything.

 

And it’s not just France, it’s the rest of the world too.

 

However, coming back, the reason I thought you’d hate it is because the way I read it, it seemed to be attacking the Church pretty heavily. And I know that’s one of the things that you’re not a fan of so I don’t know what Jean Raspail thought about that. But as I was reading it, this is something that’s Sally was really, really going to hate. Yeah, sorry, go on, go on, Sally.

 

[15:49]

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, as far as the Church goes, I would attack the Church as. Well, I mean, I’m no fan of the Church. Just because I’m a Christian doesn’t mean that I’m a fan of the Church. The church, all the Churches are apostate religions as far as I’m concerned. I’m a Christian, I’m a born again believer. So the Church is the last, … You wouldn’t get anyone further from I mean, I think what I was yeah, …

 

Natty: What I meant to say was it poured scorn on the Church and Christianity whilst ignoring [chuckling] another religion, which is why I thought maybe you wouldn’t like it. Or you would have seen through that and been pretty disappointed, or hated the book for that reason. Or hated the content of a book for that reason.

 

Aunt Sally: It’s funny because you’re right, he doesn’t mention the other religion. One presupposes reading it that the people, these Ganges, he calls them the Ganges refugees, that they’re all Hindu. I don’t know why I thought that, but that’s the only religion that I saw mentioned briefly. The other one wasn’t mentioned at all, was it?

 

Natty: No, not at all. I got that in my notes, but I’ll throw it back to Mark.

 

Mark Collett: He certainly didn’t mention a specific (((ethnic group))) that seems to be very intent on opening borders for others, whilst keeping their own borders closed, if that’s what you’re talking about. And I think that’s because of the very, very strict laws in France about mentioning those people in any respect.

 

So that might be where, …

 

Aunt Sally: We were talking about the religion of, sorry, Mark, we were talking about the “Religion of Peace” [Islam]. That one.

 

Natty: No, I wasn’t talking about who he was talking about.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, that’s the reason why France has a very, very strict code of conduct when it comes to that kind of thing, and Jean Le Penn found that out.

 

So the way I read this book, and I do think, as I said, there were characters in it, but I never felt any of them were really fleshed out. I never felt you went on sort of a hero’s journey, or a villain’s journey for that matter. I never felt there was a decisive clash.

 

And I find that very interesting because when you read books, as I said, there’s often something happening on a macro level, but the book then focuses in on the micro level and how decisions by a number of hero characters change the course of history.

 

And I didn’t really find any heroes in this. There were people who wanted to stop this, but none of them were successful. There was the usual politicians who, despite people’s fears, did nothing about it and constantly talked about how this was actually going to make France a better place. I also thought that was interesting. It was almost like this guy, as I said, he was very, very prophetic.

 

And that is something I want to talk about because he predicted vast numbers of people coming to Europe, and I’ll take this from the Wikipedia, because this is very, very interesting. The migrants land in southern France and make their way north, and this is sort of an excerpt from the Wikipedia. It says:

 

“The immigrants make their way north, having no desire to assimilate to French culture, but continuing to demand a first world standard of living even as they flout laws, do not produce and murder French citizens, such as factory bosses, and shopkeepers, as well as the ordinary people who do not welcome them.

They are also joined by immigrants who already reside in Europe, as well as various Left-wing and anarchist groups across the West. More and more migrants arrive and have children rapidly growing to outnumber Whites. In a matter of months the White west has been overrun and pro-immigrant governments have been established while White people are ordered to share their houses and flats with immigrants.”

 

I’ve got to say that, …

 

Natty: Considering that was written in the 70s!

 

Mark Collett: I think the only thing at that point that he gets wrong is this happens over the course of months. And that might just be because he has to write a book, not a 40 part series. And obviously what we’re seeing isn’t taking place over months, it’s taking place over years. But it is the same thing.

 

But when you read that, and that is just the Wikipedia plot summary, so I’m not saying that’s equivalent to reading the book. But what I am saying is that little snapshot there is so on the money! And when I was born, I worked this out, I was born in 1980. And in 1980, Britain was around 95% White or White British. It was basically what we would describe as an ethno-state.

 

And if people had said to the average White Britain in 1980. Look, this is going to be the fate that White people will face by the 2020s, I don’t think many people would believe them. And this book was written in 1973. So a good seven years before I was born. So you would definitely be talking most Western European countries being easily 90% to 95%, maybe more, White. So this guy would you describe him as a prophet?

 

[21:39]

 

Natty: Well, he said, I think again, in the pre-book notes, or in his pre-word, he said it was almost like a vision that came to him. And I think one of the things to remember is, for whatever reason, and I’m sure more intelligent people will be able to drill down into this and know more about it than me, France seemed to be further along and more anti-racist, more accepting of the blacks from their former colonies in Africa than Britain was for whatever reason. Maybe they were 20 years ahead, 30 years ahead, whatever it was.

 

I mean, it’s all much of a likeness now, or maybe not, but certain their attitude was further along than we were. And I think probably for someone like Jean Raspail, who travelled to South America when he was little and travelled around and saw lots of different things and probably saw Paris. And as a writer, as a cultural contributor to kind of French writing, he probably had quite a good grasp on exactly how things would go down, which is why this book hit so hard, even though it was written way before anyone else could have said this was going to happen.

 

And for me, that makes it all the more jarring that the small hat tribe doesn’t get mentioned. He never once mentions kind of the jewish hands on the levers of power on the institutions. And I understand the reason why he can’t talk about that. But for anyone on, not the dissident Right, whatever you call it today, anyone who understands anything about the way politics works, reading this today, that’s one of the key takeaways one of the big omissions, big black holes in the middle of this book that kind of screams out to be filled.

 

He talks a lot about anarchists, and women’s libs, and lefties, and this kind of stuff, but absolutely no mention of jewish, …

 

[23:54]

 

Mark Collett: Well, that was another thing that got me. I don’t want to cut across you, but I was out at the big protest in Leeds at the weekend. I was obviously the final speaker at that protest because Patriotic Alternative, we were the ones who helped get that up and running. Wasn’t all us, but we certainly helped. And we brought the stage and everything.

 

And one thing that amazed me is at one point during that protest, or the rally, on that piece of common land, we were stood there and a group of Antifa charged across the road to attack us. Now, they were repelled by a mixture of football lads and locals who had come out, who actually gave the Antifa a bit of a hiding.

 

But then the police actually arrested the Antifa, and I think it was four or five of them actually were arrested. And the police immediately raised a dispersal order for anybody who wasn’t a nationalist, which is very interesting, certainly went in our favour on the day.

 

But one thing I find really, really interesting about this novel is that he linked all of these things together. And I was there, obviously, on Saturday. Behind me was a hotel filled with migrants, and there on their side were these anarchists, these Leftists, these anti-fascists. And I was speaking to young girls, to men, to women, in the area who were telling me about how they knew people who had been accosted, menaced, basically threatened by the migrants.

 

And there it was, these lefties defending them, defending their rights to be here. And to sort of put all of this together in 1973, I just find it pretty incredible! The whole book had lots of little bits in it that made me think this guy almost had a time machine [chuckling]!

 

So sorry, carry on Natty. That I just wanted to raise that point because this book was literally a snapshot of what he was saying was taking place in Leeds at the weekend!

 

Natty: Yeah, I totally agree. It’s going to be one thing that keeps coming up over and over again during this discussion is that he totally nails the way it is. And it would have been true five years ago. And I know that this book came to prominence, like you said, because I think Steve Bannon quoted it, or said it was part of his inspiration, and a lot of people read it after that.

 

Mark Collett: It was a book that when I was in the BNP, it was a book that was sold then and recommended then as well. It was known in dissident Right circles, but Bannon really pushed it into the stratosphere.

 

Natty: Yeah, well, that totally makes sense. But you’re right. Just like you said, this is on the eve of less than one day ago, you’re protesting potentially criminal migrants being housed in your neighbourhoods, and on their side of these Lefty anarchists, Antifa, whoever they are. And yet Jean Raspail writes exactly this situation, however many years ago it was.

 

And one of the vignettes, the kind of character interactions that happens towards the end of the book is this Lefty anarchist kind of faces off against the military forces that are on the coast. And he’s got a whole band of anarchist brigands who are just there to have fun and welcome these migrants. On the other side is this general, this colonel in the army, this Dragaris, I think he’s called, but he’s got a dwindling supply of men because they keep deserting and running away. But he’s pretty staunch and he’s pretty steadfast.

 

Mark Collett: But yeah, I just want to bring this up as well while you’re talking about the defense of the beaches. One thing I found really interesting in this, a lot of people in France are scared that this is going to happen. And I found this a wonderful sort of twist in the book that the French President basically orders the troops to go to the beaches. And you’re thinking, are they going to make a brave last stand?

 

But then he says:

 

“I will leave it down to every man’s conscience what they do.”

 

And instead, with that last twist, the President basically causes this mass desertion. And most of the army just throw their weapons down and run, don’t they?

 

Natty: Yeah, I guess it’s the start of the third act, and it’s alluded to throughout the rest of the book, but the eve before the migrants land. They’ve already beached the boats, but they’re waiting to come ashore on, I think it’s Easter Sunday. And everyone in France and everyone in the rest of the world because this event has triggered this kind of diverse uprising throughout the rest of the Western world. I think there’s demonstrations in London and New York.

 

So everyone’s tuned in to the President’s final message he’s going to give the country, although you don’t know it’s final, because it could have been that they could have pulled back from the brink. They could have stood up and blown these people away and gone and waged war on them. But like you said, he almost does it.

 

But then at the last, during his speech, he has this kind of change of heart where he says:

 

“I’m not going to order you to shoot them, it’s up to you.”

 

And because of this and because of this psychological experiment they carry out with the Navy, a few chapters previous, they realize that they can’t do it, they can’t shoot these poor unarmed people and these women and children who are storming up the beaches.

 

So you’re right, this triggers this waves of desertion. But one of the recurring themes throughout the book that’s kind of going maybe off topic here that we can get into I’m not sure if you guys have got notes on it, is the way that the fleet this horde of Hindus on the fleet is actually really violent, and uncaring, and unfeeling, and murders quite a few people on the docks as they’re boarding in India, on the crossing itself as this kind of this western fleet of do good rock bands and pope and all these other people try and board and give them supplies. They actually throw corpses over the side and beat one of the guys to death and all the rest of it.

 

But this is all hidden by the media because they don’t want the French people or the European people to see that this supposed poor, we just need help, we’re so weak and feeble. They don’t want these people to see that these are really nasty people and they’re capable of some really nasty things if they reach our shores.

 

And it’s like again, we come back to it, it’s so on the nose! It’s right there! He was writing about things that are happening exactly the way they’re happening now.

 

[31:22]

 

Mark Collett: Sally, what’s your thoughts about this thing? Would you call Jean Raspail a prophet? Do you think he was ahead of his time? I know you didn’t enjoy the book, but did you take anything positive from the book in terms of his ability to predict this nightmare future?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I think definitely, I’ve written that. I’ve got notes all over the place. But I’ve written many times:

 

“How did he know? How did he know that?”

 

And especially when you think he wrote it I think it was 1972. I’ve written down but you said 1973. But he must have thought about it years before. So the idea of the book probably a few years, and how did he know? How how did he know? Even the liberal thing about the liberals and, you know, that the women that were standing up for the refugees. He knew I grew up in this time. He was actually my father’s age, but he couldn’t have seen that. I know he travelled a lot, but I don’t know what on earth he could have seen that made him write it.

 

The other thing no one’s mentioned is that the refugees were men, women and children. They wasn’t just hordes of fighting age men. That’s a difference. I mean, I’m not sure what the proportion of women and children were, but women and children are mentioned a lot.

 

There’s one scene in it that they’re all having sex. Why am I listening to this? It is just horrible. [chuckling] But, yeah, much of it. You know what which bit I’m talking about in our tips. What the hell’s this? Why would they be doing that?

 

Natty: It’s pretty disgusting the way it’s written as well. He talks about semen flowing over brown bodies, and children involved and everything else. It’s really horrible!

 

Aunt Sally: The other thing is, he’s got a clear hatred, I think, hatred of people from India, because there’s barely a nice word about them. It made me think something must have happened to him that made him write like that, because he doesn’t talk about other, he doesn’t really mention any other races. There’s no Africans in there, is there? It’s all from people from the Ganges, that’s what he’s calling them.

 

And it’s like, why would they come from the Ganges? That was my big thing. Why would they go to France? I think the reasons were covered in the early chapters, where it was because they want what they’re entitled to. They want a share of the West’s wealth because they deserve it and they’re entitled to it. And I’m thinking, well, the Indians, why would they blame France? Surely they would be coming to England? Why France? I never really understood that. I don’t know if you did, Natty, because that really didn’t make sense to me, that it was Indians and not another race.

 

[34:38]

 

Natty: I don’t know where I read this, but I think I read that Jean Raspail actually chose to make it Indians, because making it Africans or sub-Saharan Africans, or North Africans would have been too easy, I think. Or they’re too alien. I think that’s paraphrasing what he said about it.

 

But then, strangely enough, the way he dehumanizes the Indians, you’re absolutely right. He couldn’t have written about them in a worse way. I think they’re eating poo and cooking with poo, I think there’s cannibalism on the fleet as well. This is one of the other things, …

 

Mark Collett: It’s every horror imaginable, isn’t it? The way he talks about them is this sort of floating ramshackle. And I’ve got to say this, one thing that I really liked as well is that they’re only able to get to the West because the West once colonized their part of the world and left these rotting boats there.

 

So there are all these old ramshackle boats that were once used by Western explorers and shipping companies that have just been dumped there. And they board them almost like a fleet of these boats, and they’re all sort of decaying. And some of them are sort of like lashed together to make them slightly more seaworthy. And they just set off on this slow journey.

 

But I did like the fact that it was almost sort of like the things we left behind for them, they use against us. I thought that was another subtle part of it. Sorry, carry on.

 

Aunt Sally: Even then, they’ve seized these ships, these rust buckets, I think he calls them, somewhere. But the amount of food that they would have, an organization that they would have had to have to bring those ships as far as France, that is fantasy, isn’t it? It just wouldn’t have been possible if these people were that starving, that they’re leaving their homeland to go to France for what they think is their fair share of Western wealth.

 

How on earth, could they afford to fill that ship with the food that they would have needed to get it sailing. And the fuel and the food and everything else? They couldn’t have been as poor. They couldn’t be that poor, could they? That didn’t make sense. Things have to make sense and add up to me. And it just, …

 

Natty: Sure, I know exactly what you mean. I’ve got this written down, actually, in that, …

 

Aunt Sally: You could probably explain it better. Yeah.

 

Natty: He gives a Ganges fleet this kind of constant miracle. He grants them constant miracles in order to get them where they need to be.

 

So I think the initial incident is this thing that happens at the Belgium embassy, where they say:

 

“We’re not taking any more orphans from India back to Belgium.”

 

And this triggers a stampede. A shot is fired and Agent Provocateurs actually whip up the crowd. Don’t just whip up the crowd, they whip up the whole of Delhi or wherever it is on the Ganges. Maybe it’s not Delhi. Into storming the docks.

 

Now, the fleet, it says, I think the numbers are 800,000, spread over 100 boats of varying sizes. Most boats carrying more than 1000 people each, obviously. But the speed that it travels, he does allude to the fact that thousands die on the route and they’re just even used as fire-lighting material, or thrown over the edge or eaten in some cases. And the fact that there’s no weather that stops this fleet, there’s no storms, there’s no anything that impedes this fleet in the slightest, it just makes its way there. There’s no talk about fuel, there’s no talk about leadership, …

 

Mark Collett: I read this completely differently to you. Carry on, then I’m going to give a slightly different story.

 

Natty: So, in my opinion, I mean, Jean Raspail, and I had this kind of theory as I was reading it, that maybe his granting the fleet this kind of just mythical ability to travel was maybe a cover for the JQ, in that it would have been NGOs helping these people out and buying fuel for them and supplying with food.

 

But in the book, they just manage it. It happens for them. I’ll be interested to hear what you’ve got to say about it.

 

[39:34]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I didn’t see it as something as complex as that. And I said I saw this as a bit like a horror film. And I’ll talk about what I mean. Often, something like, say, Jaws. You know, this monster is out there, you know, it’s coming. And throughout the film, you don’t really see the monster head on and the sort of true level of carnage it can cause.

 

I’ll give you a good example of a film like that. The recent first in the new Godzilla films, you saw lots of things sort of like telling you that something bad was going to happen. But it wasn’t until the end when you saw the true carnage of Godzilla sort of crashing through an American city. And I kind of felt that this film was like that, in that you knew that this monstrous human tide was coming, but you only saw it sort of crash on the beaches and the chaos toward the end of the book.

 

And one thing about a monster film that can make you feel unsettled is when the beast is relentless and unstoppable. And no matter what happens or no matter what you think might throw it off, it just keeps advancing.

 

So in horror films, you kind of have characters like Michael Myers who doesn’t matter how or Jason Voyage doesn’t matter how many times they’re shot or who chops at them with an axe or who hits them with a bat. They just keep coming relentlessly.

 

And I felt that Raspail sort of ascribed, like you say, it’s almost a horrifying, mythical, supernatural power to this fleet. But I also felt he did something else. He made it feel, by the end of the book, as you realize it’s coming, it’s coming, it’s coming, and it’s building in your stomach that this monster from like a horror film is unstoppable and it’s coming and it’s relentless.

 

But also from our point of view, from a racial point of view, an ethnic point of view, he made this feel inevitable. He made it feel like whatever you do, there is no turning this back! There is no changing this. This is the fate of the West. The West is fated to die! The West is fated to be defeated, to be destroyed at the hands of mass immigration, fueled by traitorous politicians.

 

And although he makes it clear that really in their heart of hearts, whether they express it or not, the vast majority of the normal French people who weren’t part of the government or weren’t part of these anarchist or liberal groups, they didn’t want it. But they just didn’t feel as if they could do anything other than flee, which I took as sort of a signal of White flight. And the way they moved north through the country with the White French fleeing north, thinking they could escape this if they got far enough north.

 

Basically, that’s what happens in Britain, isn’t it? They turn upon our southern coast and as they move north, people flee north! If I get to Yorkshire, I’ll be fine. Well, if I get to the northeast, I’ll be fine. Well, if I get to Scotland, I’ll be fine. And eventually it’ll be well, if I get to the Outer Hebrides, they won’t follow us there! But they follow you everywhere.

 

And I kind of felt, … Maybe a better way to put it is like The Terminator from obviously The Terminator films, this unstoppable force. And it really did sort of hit me that Raspail was saying:

 

“By the time this is all happening, it will already be too late to stop it!”

 

And I kind of saw this as his way of saying that this is a grim inevitability for the West. It’s the monster that you won’t be able to stop. But ironically, he more or less alludes to the fact it was a monster created by the West out of our own altruism, out of our own colonization, out of our own liberalism.

 

That’s how I saw it. I didn’t think there was anything more complex, hidden. But I did think he made it very much. This ever advancing terror, unstoppable terror, that was our destiny. Our destiny was to be destroyed by a monster of her own making. Have I got that completely wrong? I’ll ask both of you that question.

 

[44:11]

 

Natty: Well, funnily enough, one of the things that does differentiate it from today, is how much power the media personalities have, right? So the newspaper men and the radio, the radio people and the occasional address by this ambassador from India, or the ambassador from Belgium, or some minister from France is able to sway public opinion in a way that we wouldn’t really understand now, given that we’ve all got phones and Internet and the dissemination of information and news sources wide reaching and wherever you can get your information from wherever.

 

But one of the things that does keep the French from complaining too loudly and sway’s opinion is these big personalities, whether they’re on the radio or whether they’re in the newspapers of the time. And again, this is written in the 70s, so it’s understandable that those channels of communication or mass media were controlled that way.

 

And it’s actually one of the I’ll make this topical about recent times. One of the things we’re kind of grappling with right now is that certain sources of information or cultural touchstones for us, like the Babylon Bee, like maybe Steven Crowder, some other people who you kind of assume are on the dissident Right, or your side are being exposed as just bad actors. They’re supposed thought leaders, but they’re not good for you and they’re leading you down the wrong path and trying to divert you, act as gatekeepers and all the rest of it.

 

And it’s something that we have, I think since 2015, 2016, have been grappling with this and slowly exposing people. It’s very rare that someone can come on the scene now or turn up with a Telegram channel or turn up in someone’s media project, and not have questions asked about who they are, where they’ve come from or who’s funding them or any of that stuff. So again, it’s one of the things in this book that doesn’t sit right with the way things are today.

 

But you’re right, the people there are totally betrayed and their opinions are swayed by these people who stop them resisting, which is really interesting. And it’s the same thing they would try and do now, and they still do try and do now by banning people off social media, restricting their access.

 

Mark Collett: But I was just going to cut in there, mate. I do think there are increasingly people who don’t listen, but you’ve got to remember, I mean, just look at Piers Morgan. I mean, people joke that he’s the Gammon Whisperer, that he’s the one that when the public are actually at that point of snapping over something, he does an interview and sort of calms it down, or:

 

“Well, they’re not all bad. And this one here that I’ve got on the show, he’s not like the other ones.”

 

And do you still think, though, that there are some celebrities like that? There are Morgans, there are the Peter Hitchens, there are these sort of centrist people who would calm others.

 

And I’ll give you an example. I was on Twitter just looking at the response to our protest in Leeds at the weekend, and there was I don’t know whether this person really is a woman or if it really is the person who the account claims to be. But they were saying:

 

“Oh, well, I am completely against these migrants, but the idea of protesting outside a migrant hotel is disgusting! It’s anti-British! You are meant to be standing for the British people, but what you’re doing is the most anti-British thing! That’s their home. No British man, no decent British man would go out there and actually protest outside somebody’s home, making them feel uncomfortable. This is the most wickedly, un-British thing ever! Hang your heads in shame!”

 

And I looked at that and thought:

 

“That’s a very carefully constructed argument.”

 

But that’s the kind of argument that is designed to calm people into completing inaction.

 

And although I think that maybe the media doesn’t have the power it used to, there are still media figureheads. And I do still think there are, you know, subversive agents out there spreading this nonsense. The kind of people that will say:

 

“Well, I walked into the Gulag with my head held high and a smile on my face, because at least they couldn’t call me racist!”

 

And you’re thinking:

 

“So you did nothing for the last, 20 years except for agreeing with the government. Then the last moment, you made some meek protests and let them cart you off to the Gulag.”

 

Well, if you’d be a little less bothered about being called a racist for the last, 20 years, we could have actually done something. And I do think there are other things that sort of have emerged as sort of mind control devices that would stop people taking action, even in a horrific case like this, where there is literally an invasion fleet on its way.

 

[49:19]

 

Aunt Sally: One of the things about the book that did strike me was the word “racism” and the fact that he wrote it when Enoch Powell made that famous speech, And I asked my mum, what’s “racism”, and she said:

 

“It’s people that don’t like black people.”

 

And I said:

 

“Does that mean your one?”

 

And she said:

 

“Yes!”

 

And I thought:

 

“Oh!”

 

And then there was this drive from the press that Enoch Powell’s a racist and this and that. And that’s when that word first became for me, was a thing like, you mustn’t be a racist, they’re the worst things ever.

 

But he knew, he must have known that that word was the tool that was going to lead to political correctness and excuses for not standing up for what’s right and wrong for your own race. He knew it. He knew a lot. It just makes me think what I’ll always wonder, where did he get his knowledge from? How? I mean he travelled? I wonder what he saw. He knew too much and I’d love to know how he knew it.

 

And it crossed my mind that maybe he got some of it from the Bible? Some of what’s happening from the Bible? From Revelations in particular. Yeah, there’s a bit in Revelations about nation on nation, nation on nation being race against race. That’s what it means. But, yeah, I do think he got it from there. I forgot what was going to say next. So carry on.

 

Natty: I think we were talking about the fact that the people in France were betrayed by the media and their politicians. And actually that is going to lead me on to say something else, or kind of change the direction of this thing.

 

Mark, you talk about the fact that the fleet is kind of this creeping horror that’s going to end up in France, I think I guess Raspail chose France because it was his country. He understood it. He understood how beautiful the southern coast was in Provence and this total juxtaposition of this fleet of tramp steamers filled with emaciated brown Indian people covered in semen and poop, [chuckling] wading ashore into Provence, into one of arguably the most beautiful coastal regions in the world, the most well maintained and the most gorgeous, the best climate in the world.

 

But as always, and this is a theme that’s true in any major shift in history, it’s not the outsider that does you in, in the end, it’s your own countrymen! It’s the traitors inside your country. It’s the media. There’s one odious character called Clement Dio who’s a kind of mixed race, wealthy newspaper guy, who’s constantly attacking nationalists or people with nationalist sentiments.

 

There’s an incident with Arabs in a swimming pool and he just ruthlessly goes after, using his newspaper, he goes after the town council for trying to ban these Arabs from the swimming pool because it’s spreading syphilis and their pestering girls and stuff. So there’s this horrible anti-White mixed race guy called Clement Dio who eventually gets his comeuppance. And that’s one of the good things about this book, is that a lot of the scumbags and people who screw France over and screw Europe over, end up getting killed and brutalized. And I think that was Jean Raspail’s way of having his own version of revenge on these people, even if the West did fall.

 

[53:31]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I thought that was very realistic! Because all the people you see this in the in the UK, when you see these sort of liberal White women go on these BLM marches and something horrific happens to them all. And these things do happen! And I thought again, I didn’t think it was his way of getting revenge. I just thought it was prophetic. I thought that eventually the liberals meeting their end at the policies they advocated for was absolutely true.

 

And you could take that and you see it’s when I read bits like that, I’m not sure whether he was prophetic or just very good at reading history, because obviously that brings you to sort of the Haitian Revolution, where during the Haitian Revolution, the blacks, the mixed race and White collaborators took power over Haiti.

 

But as soon as they had taken power, it wasn’t long before the blacks and the mixed race did away with the White collaborators. So even the Whites that helped them, they then did away with. And shortly afterwards, many of the mixed race were also killed because they formed a strata above the black Haitians.

 

And it is with an understanding of history that you do start to look at this and say, maybe he did base certain aspects, not say, the migrant flotilla or anything like that. I mean, that would be unprecedented in his time. But there were certain historical aspects to the book, like the Haitian revolution, which I think he would have had a very strong knowledge of.

 

Natty: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And you kind of think about the people in this country. Now you extrapolate, we think, well, maybe not this country, but someone like Sean King or, …

 

Mark Collett: Sorry to butt in mate, sorry, sorry to butt in, but I just wanted to point out as well the reason he would have had such a great knowledge of the Haitian revolution, because obviously that was an insurrection against French colonial rule. So that may well have been something that as a Frenchman of that era, he was very well read on, because Haiti was originally a French colony. And the French there that did side with the revolutionaries were killed shortly afterwards.

 

Natty: Yeah, absolutely.

 

Aunt Sally: That makes sense. That answers my question, because it’s one of the things I was wondering, where did he get all this from? What made him write this book? Where did the ideas come from? It must have come from that, and he might have known people.

 

Natty: Well, if you think about what would happen to someone like Akala, or Alfa Hirsch, or Ash Sarkar, for instance. If this was to happen in the same way as the book, and even in different ways, these people wouldn’t be needed. They’ve been stabbing and jabbing at the stumbling, the shuffling kind of walking catastrophe that is the UK. And these guys have been jabbing their knives in and trying to draw blood.

 

But come any sort of revolution that these people would cheer on, they’d be the first to go. They wouldn’t have any place. And I think Jean Raspail understood that, especially in what happens to Clement Dio, which is his kind of personification of all of these people. Like you say, the White collaborator.

 

In Clementio’s case, he’s a mixed race, but he runs into a gang of escaped criminals, many of them black or Africans, who have been let out of his prison. And at first he’s kind of jokey and matey with him. And I think he’s got a Chinese wife with him who’s very attractive, and they start drinking together. And by the end of it, he’s beaten up and locked in an upstairs room and they’re downstairs in the bar raping his wife for three days. I can’t remember if he dies afterwards or whether they kill him or what happens.

 

But again, this is before the fleet even lands. So the army has its teeth taken away by the President, by the media, by the people of Provence running away, because they don’t have the have the stomach, or the heart, or the institutions behind them to stand up for themselves and defend their own patch of land.

 

So the French army has the artillery, has the navy, it has all these prestigious regiments who have travelled around the world and conquered and gone to war, but it’s not the problem that they’ve got of that. And they’re facing this fleet. Everything behind them has collapsed and the people inside the country have turned against them, essentially, and they can’t defend their land anymore. They don’t have the moral fortitude, they don’t have the institutions on their side. They don’t have the backing of anyone.

 

And in that case, if the enemy at your front is easy to see, but the enemy at your back is one that’s just constantly stabbing you and taking away your troops and trying to cause desertions and all the rest of it and sabotaging your supply lines. You can see why everything just fell apart at the end of a book and happened the way it did.

 

Mark Collett: Do you have anything to add on that one, Aunt Sally?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah. No, I think most of the book seems to centre around the actual journey, the journey and what’s happening in press offices and governments. That’s all politics. And I hate politics! I really do. But it was all about this impending doom.

 

And if it did remind me of any horror movie, it was Walking Dead. It’s just like they keep coming, they keep coming. And then when they think they’ve got rid of all the hordes of zombies. There’s more coming. There’s more coming. It was all this impending doom and gloom that’s coming and then accepting their fate, they’re not going to make a stand. They’re not going to fight. They’re not going to fight for it. I’d understand that if it was men, women and children, which it was, I’d get it.

 

What would happen if that was the case? If this flotilla of people, real, genuine refugees, were coming from the Ganges and they were men, women and children, then different governments would plan where they’re going to go and make the rest of Europe take some of them, not just allow them all to land in France. So, again, when things don’t make sense to me, I can’t really take it seriously. It’s like this whole flotilla is going to France. Why?

 

[1:01:02]

 

Natty: I think that was one of the reasons why Raspail wrote it Sal. The way he did so was he deliberately took those decisions away from the governments of the West. Every interaction they try and have with the fleet is ignored. They don’t want anything to do with help, or aid, or anything else. There’s no radios on board the fleet. They’re just going where they go.

 

And interestingly, an incident where it looks like they might be heading for the Suez Canal. I don’t know if you guys remember this part of the book. But the Egyptian government only has one navy boat. So it’s got this old Second World War destroyer that’s kind of on its last legs. It’s been afloat for the last 40, or 50 years. It’s barely held together. And it’s the one navy boat that Egypt possesses.

 

But the Egyptian government, which still has some balls and does not want these people in their country and is still led by people who are willing to say as much, doesn’t want this fleet coming through the Suez Canal and ending up grounding. And then they’ll have to deal with it.

 

So the Egyptian government sends out this single navy boat and tells the captain:

 

“You stop that fleet and you turn it around by any means necessary!”

 

And the guy pulls up alongside. Again, there’s no radios. So he just shouts over the loud hailer and fires like a stream of antiaircraft, like cannon fire over the bridge. And the kind of crippled quadriplegic who’s in charge [chuckling] of this fleet is shocked into turning it around.

 

So this show of force by this crappy beat up old navy boat. But because the person who’s in charge of that boat and the person who’s giving him his orders is prepared to do what’s necessary. They managed to turn this fleet around and avert disaster for Egypt.

 

And there’s absolutely none of that will, or backbone in the West anywhere to make that kind of decision! France ends up getting the refugees. So it’s this interesting juxtaposition between the Egyptian navy, which achieves it’s aim with one rusty old tub with like an antiaircraft gun on it, versus the entire fleets of Western Europe who are utterly toothless and can’t do a single thing about it.

 

Mark Collett: I thought that was interesting as well. And something else I liked about the book. And I’ve talked about this many times before on streams. And when I’ve appeared on other people’s, shows. That this book, although it does take place primarily in France, by the end of the book, he’s made it clear that virtually every Western nation has been consumed by this. This sort of flotilla leads to sort of a knock on effect which basically destroys everything. And the last holdout is Switzerland.

 

But eventually, because every other country is now completely overrun with migrants and liberals and has succumbed to this nightmare, Switzerland is seen as this rogue state and basically that is forced to capitulate as well. And eventually everywhere succumbs to this nightmare.

 

And I thought that was really important too, and I speak about this quite a lot, as I said, on other streams and shows that this is a White issue. And a lot of people say:

 

“Oh, Mark, you shouldn’t talk with all these Americans and people from overseas, you should stick to just what’s going on in Britain!”

 

But this isn’t a British problem. And I thought Jean Raspail made it very clear that this wasn’t just a French problem in the book. That this led to absolute world-wide changes! Every Western nation ends up succumbing to this madness! Every Western nation ends up being crushed under this tidal wave of migrants! And really what could be described as anti-White policy.

 

[1:05:20]

 

And I thought that was very interesting too, because he realized in 1973 that despite what he felt was coming to France, that everywhere would go along with this, that you wouldn’t have Britain as an outlier, you wouldn’t have a resurgence of militant nationalism in Germany that would save Germany. America wouldn’t stand alone as the last bastion of the White nuclear family in their quaint houses with white picket fences. He knew this was going to be something that would essentially affect what would be described as the whole Western world.

 

And I do think that’s a very, very important point. And it’s also very indicative of his level of understanding of this problem, that it isn’t a madness that just affects a country, it’s a madness that infects, or an ethnicity for that matter. It doesn’t just affect the English. But it’s passed over the Scottish. This is a madness that infects our entire race!

 

And at the end of the book, essentially the whole West has sunk. He more, or less, says that. But you would think there be some small communities in parts of America, that would stand strong against it and remain there during the collapse of civilization. But obviously we’ll never know. I don’t believe unless he tells me otherwise, that. He did a follow up about any resistance. I think he left it at the end with complete destruction. In very many ways, as Natty said, probably to shock people and to make people think, look, you need to do something now before it’s too late.

 

But, yeah, to see this as not just a French thing, but as a White thing, I thought that was very important as well, because there’s still people out there who don’t understand that this is an anti-White thing, that this isn’t about being British, or French, or German, it’s about being White.

 

Natty: Yeah. And throughout the book there’s a couple of scenes where there’s a few Summits between the European nations. And it’s quite clear that I think Italy says:

 

“Oh, no, we can’t take them because we’ve got to think of the Catholic Church! And the fact that the Pope is here!”

 

And Britain says:

 

“Oh, well, we can’t take them, because we’ve got colonial ties with India. And all the rest of it.”

 

And they’re so happy when they don’t have to deal with this fleet. They’re totally, like, inward looking. If they can just have a few more months, or a few more years where they don’t have to deal with this.

 

And it’s exactly the same situation in the West. I mean, anyone with even half a brain cell can see where the current system of governance and culture is leading, and it’s nowhere good. I mean, it’s leading to what this book prophesies, basically.

 

We all understand this, and I’m pretty sure everyone listening understands this as well. Even if there’s people listening to this who hate us, or are working for the state, they know what’s coming. They know, whether it’s in 20 years, whether it’s in 50 years, if things carry on the way they are, it’s going to be bad for everyone. Not just not just us, because we’re raising our voices against it, but for you too, there’s going to be no progress, no improvement of the people you call your family and your ancestors. And all the rest of it.

 

The other interesting thing I found was, obviously France has a colonial past, and so does the UK. But this idea that this fleet is kind of retribution for the West completely ignores the fact that the same thing is happening in, like, Sweden and Denmark, which never expanded into Africa, or the Middle East, or anything like that.

 

Australia, or like you said, Mark, in the book, Jean Raspail, has this happening everywhere where there’s White people, right? So Australia, South Africa. And this book was written before apartheid ended. So while the Whites were still in charge in South Africa. And there’s quite an interesting part of the book which we haven’t touched on yet, that happens with South Africa.

 

But this happens everywhere and it has no bearing, and no worries about who did what in the past. It’s coming for all of you. I think you’ve kind of alluded to that with the idea of this being like a horror, a horror book, as well. TRS some horror aspects to this fleet and what it brings with it.

 

[1:10:01]

 

Aunt Sally: Yes, I’ve got notes on the bit about South Africa. And the fact that, well, he knew all this. He knew all this to write the book. But he didn’t know about South Africa. He didn’t see that coming, did he? It seemed out of place, the South Africa, but knowing what we know now, and now knowing what’s happened in South Africa, that he wrote this book, the one place that succumbed big time. In fact, they went first, didn’t they? That he didn’t foresee that it’s a strong White nation in the book still. And it turns them away as well.

 

I’m sorry. I’m not saying, … I just hated the book! [chuckling] I can’t say anything good about it! All I can think is, like, the audio of his voice, Alex Linder’s voice. Just these:

 

“Brown, putrid bodies!”

 

That’s all it’s saying. It’s horrible! Just words that he’s describing people, non-stop, being just filth! It’s affected me. It’s a horrible book! Sorry, you both liked it. I’m struggling to talk about it, because I’m almost traumatized by reading it. It’s awful. Yeah. Who suggested it? Was it you? Was it you Natty? I know.

 

Natty: Yeah.

 

Aunt Sally: Please.

 

Natty: I wasn’t sure where else I could find it as an audio book. I only knew about the Alex Linder reading of it. I found that Alex Linder emphasizing the kind of horror, the kind of body horror of the Indian fleet added to the book. Maybe it’s a male thing, I’m not sure, [chuckling] but it made it all the more pressing. What’s happening in the book.

 

As to South Africa, it is interesting, because South Africa does the same thing as Egypt. Because obviously the fleet leaves India, and initially it looks like it’s head for the Suez Canal, but it turns south, because of this one action by the Egyptian government with their rusty old torpedo boat, rusty old destroyer. So it turns south and has the head around the Cape of Africa. So around South Africa. If you can imagine it on the map. And initially, because South Africa is a White country. And it’s still in the hands of the White South Africans there, they think, well, maybe the fleet is going to stop there. Because it’s a prosperous country, they could get welfare. And all the rest of it.

 

But the South African government does the same thing as the Egyptian government and makes it clear in no uncertain terms, they are going to open fire on this fleet if they try and land in South Africa. They’re completely uncaring. They’re totally used to dealing with a majority population. In the case of South Africa, of these blacks that they’re in charge of, they know exactly how to deal with them. They know that you threaten and then you use violence. And that’s how you get the job done. And that’s how they treat the fleet. And it works. The fleet just sails past.

 

As a result, there’s this howling and screeching from the media, in this case, the French media. Because that’s who it’s focused on. And the ambassador is shunned and all this other stuff, and South Africa is racist and all this, and all that. And they go on and on. But at the end of the day, they achieve their aims. And the fleet sail was passed, even going so far as to throw off the aid that the South Africans try and give them, to help them keep moving.

 

So, yeah, it’s interesting that South Africa had the military might and the will to do that, but then, like you said, a few years later, it falls and is now where it is, which is not a good place. He didn’t foresee that, I’ll give you that Sal!

 

Mark Collett: Just one other thing as well, about the Egyptian Navy obviously being able to turn back the whole flotilla just with one boat. Do you think it was his way of saying, and this could all be ended so easily and the West will just do nothing to end it? Because obviously the Egyptians did very easily manage to avert the crisis landing on their shores. And that is very true, isn’t it?

 

So you could even draw an analogy between that and what happened during Covid. So during Covid the Royal Navy managed to have boats constantly patrolling the English Channel with the intention of arresting sun bathers, or swimmers, or anybody going out and enjoying the summer during the 2020 Covid. But the same navy that can patrol every inch of those beaches to ensure that there’s no sunbathers there, now can’t do a single thing to stop migrants landing on those beaches in their hundreds, or thousands every day.

 

And I do think he makes an important point there as well. This migrant crisis that we’re living through now, even though he’s not here to see it, it could all be stopped with such great ease, couldn’t it? They could literally close that southern border with a stroke of a pen!

 

[1:15:53]

 

Natty: Oh, that’s one of the things that is totally clear with what you’re saying, is that it’s not that the government. I mean, in the book, Jean Raspail does take the teeth away from the government.

 

But in regards to where we are now it’s not that the government doesn’t have teeth and willingness to use force and use violence. But they don’t want to use it for the good of the country. They want to use it to repress their own people, arrest people for Twitter, things they write on Twitter.

 

You’re absolutely right! Any single person with just an ounce of moral fiber knows how to stop those migrant boats. And maybe there’d be involved, who knows? But it wouldn’t be hard, like you say, to even discuss this sounds stupid, because it’s so easy. It would be so ridiculously easy. And yet our own government is facilitating it!

 

This is what I mean. It’s not the problem that there’s 50,000 migrants in France who want to come across a Channel in small boats. The problem is that the government is helping them and wants to house them and pay the money when they get here! It’s totally the running theme is that in this book. And what now is that you’re going to get betrayed by the people in charge who hate you, and have this kind of pathological altruism that they’ve instilled into everyone. This kind of multiracial Diversity is Our Strength. You all know for slogans. This is a knife that’s jammed into your back using these slogans and using this kind of mass brainwashing.

 

Yeah, the government absolutely has a teeth to do certain things and take hard measures and take necessary steps if it feels as necessary, like arresting people for sunbathing! But stopping violent criminals, landing on your shore in little rubber dinghies:

 

“No, if we can’t do that! It’s too difficult, it costs too much money!”

 

Whatever. Pick your excuse!

 

Aunt Sally: It’s interesting that you said that, Mark, because I hadn’t thought of it.

 

But you’re right that the Egyptian fleet and the South African, how easy it was to turn them back. He’s showing thid. And what do we make of that? What Natty just said? They want it all engineered for a reason by people that don’t like us.

 

Mark Collett: Right. So we do have some Superchats. We don’t have many tonight. But we’ve got a few. So let’s do the ones we have, because we’ve only got about 35 minutes of this show left. So let’s do those. And then we can discuss a bit more of the book, or if anything else comes in, we can answer those as well.

 

So these are all from the same guy. He calls himself “A Stupid Moron”. I don’t know why he calls himself that, because he’s always very kind. So thank you for these Superchats. His first Superchat is he says:

 

“Hi, Mark. Pat Buchanan recently retired from writing. He was as close as a dissident Right figure to make the mainstream as we got. A good book to cover is The Death of the West. He was talking about demographics in the 1990s.”

 

Would you guys be interested in doing a Pat Buchanan book?

 

Natty: Yeah, absolutely. I keep hearing about him. I hear about him in circles and Telegram chats all the time. But, yeah, definitely. I’d certainly be up for that.

 

Aunt Sally: I would. I wouldn’t mind.

 

Mark Collett: It’s quite interesting. That people are brought up The Death of the West. And it’s interesting, because that was another book that I believe. If I’ve got this right, that was recommended reading when I was in the BNP. Yeah, it definitely was. It was originally published in 2001. Camp of the Saints was definitely recommended and Death of the West was as well. I remember Buchanan’s name being thrown around.

 

But I also think Pat Buchanan was somebody he was very, very he was a lot sort of more mainstream than, say, the people we usually have on this show. So it was interesting that he decided to basically write a book that sort of incendiary. He did go down sort of a line that the West was being destroyed by demographic change.

 

And he also was somebody who sought presidential nomination for the Republican Party. So it was quite interesting to see somebody who was that high up actually go down the route of talking about demographics in such an open way. Thank you for that Superchat.

 

The next one says:

 

“Recent Daily Mail article showed that 250,000,000, that’s 250,000,000, Latinos alone now want to migrate to the US. We are talking about Armageddon of Western civilization here.”

 

Yeah. Because obviously we get the dinghies. And the dinghies are resulting in some sort of quarter of a million illegal migrants washing up on Britain’s shores every year. But that land border between America and Mexico is obviously a huge, huge threat to America’s current demographic balance, which is already teetering on the brink.

 

What do you guys think about that? Do you think that America [word unclear] what is going to change when America does hit that demographic tipping point? Do you think that could be something that fundamentally, although will be disastrous for White Americans, do you think that could actually be something that could lead to America being supplanted by China, or even Russia as the global superpower?

 

[1:22:06]

 

Natty: That’s an interesting question. It’s quite hard to predict what would happen. There’s definitely all of the intangible qualities that European that allowed America to become strong will slowly be lost as the demographics. I know it’s not exactly happening slowly, but as it changes, things just become worse and shittier and infrastructure becomes worse. American culture, there’s a certain, like, hollowness to it as well. The way the roads are laid out, you don’t walk anywhere. It’s all just buy this and advertising. So it’s not hard to imagine that at some point in the near future, the hordes coming up from South America who are totally on board, by the way, … Again, another aside. Sorry to keep doing this.

 

Another aside is that the people like White Europeans, we’ve got a certain taste for our media. And you have to kind of cater to that you have to tell stories that are good. This is why so much of kind of dissident adjacent circles are constantly harping on about how crap the new Lord of Rings is, or how crap the new Star Wars is, or how soulless Marvel films are. All the rest of it.

 

However, it seems like a lot of the people who they are trying to replace Europeans with successfully don’t have any of those hangups. They’re more than happy to just consume this garbage storytelling, this garbage crappy films and media and music that they just pump out to keep people entertained. And I think that’s part of the reason why they’re so keen to bring them in. I mean, it serves a dual purpose. It’s quick money and it replaces White people, which it seems to be what every establishment is hell bent on doing! And does it mean they’re going to lose out to China and Russia? Well, Russia, who knows? But China, yeah.

 

I mean, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t. There’s no reason why a country full of deracinated Mexicans, or Hondurans, or Brazilians, or whoever it is, is going to outcompete China who has a strong, if nothing else you can say about them has a strong sense of who they are and kind of this work ethic that means they are competitive and they’re willing to export and sell and buy. And all the rest of it.

 

So, yeah, I don’t see why not.

 

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Mark Collett: You’ve got to remember as well, that the Chinese are very interesting people, in that they are racially aware. And they are all very, very proud to be Chinese and want China to be the best! They want China to be the preeminent global superpower. Now, there are very few Britons alive today that want Britain to be a global superpower. And that’s a very interesting thing.

 

And you even see that in the gaming world. If you ever play a computer game, and you get beaten by somebody from China, you will just hear them screaming down the microphone:

 

“China number one! China number one!”

 

They want to dominate everything. [chuckling] They’ve got this sort of fierce racial pride in everything they do. And it’s comical! Because if I beat somebody, Call of Duty Wars, and if we win a game which very rarely happens, I can assure you, I don’t scream down the mic, :

 

“Britain’s number one!”

 

Even for somebody like me, that would seem absurd.

 

But they have national pride in everything they do, even winning an online multiplayer game, which tells you an awful lot about the Chinese as a people. And I think that’s very important. And I do think it does put you into this mindset that as America becomes more racially mixed and the more the Whites, completely deracinated, and there is an uptick in this sort of racial turmoil and diversity hires, which always seem to result in lower productivity and more chaos, you can see China just surpassing the US in every sense. And when that happens, well, there’s going to be a complete rebalancing of power. And I think you will know when that has happened. Because the first casualty will be Taiwan will be invaded.

 

Aunt Sally, do you have any comments on the Chinese?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I agree with what you said.

 

I mean, they really have a racial pride of themselves as a people. They don’t deserve to have it about their products, because everything I get is Chinese. I’ve got to the point now where I look to see where something’s made. And if it’s Chinese I’m not buying it, because it’s junk. It’s junk!

 

But one of the things that puzzles me is trade, like how trade works. And it’s going off topic. But it’s like, if I want to buy something from America, just a book, just a book from America, it costs $40 to get imported here.

 

But if you buy something from China, it’s free. So I don’t know what the trade deals are, but no wonder China is a superpower when our government have something in place where they get free postage everywhere.

 

As far as the politics go, China and Russia are superpowers. And I think India is going to be the next one. It’ll be the third superpower. And we are deracinated. We are a global minority now. And that really, really worries me, particularly when you think that of that minority, an awful lot of those are boomers. Sorry, Mark, I’m not up on politics. I don’t really, I’m not listening to the news anymore.

 

Mark Collett: Okay. Thank you for that. The same Superchatter said:

 

“Hey, Mark and PA, Europe and the US have enjoyed multiculturalism and diversity. But now it’s Israel’s turn. Please help and support the message of open borders for Israel.”

 

Thank you very much. Also said:

 

“Even Colonel Gaddafi warned about Europe turning black in 2009. He noted, millions of sub-Saharan Africans want it to come in. If an African leader can recognize this, Western leaders are complicit.”

 

Now, this, I think, is really, really interesting. Really interesting, the Colonel Gaddafi stuff.

 

Now, Colonel Gaddafi was somebody who did prevent migrants flooding through his country. And he was a blockade, if you like, to mass migration into Europe. But he was obviously completely shut down and prevented from doing that. Obviously, his country was destabilized, and with a Western backed coup, he was killed.

 

But isn’t it really amazing, when you think about it, that he was saying, he said a long time ago that people were to get rid of him, if people were to do away with Gaddafi and his regime, that would lead to this absolute tidal wave of people flooding through Libya to get to Europe. And that’s what happened.

 

And Western leaders, for no real reason, destabilized Libya and replaced him as leader, even though they have no business. Libya is obviously a sovereign nation.

 

I mean, Natty and Aunt Sally, I don’t know how much you want to talk about this. But that’s an interesting point, isn’t it? It sort of plays into things that Jean Raspail was talking about, that the Western liberal elite are playing every card in their hand in order to bring this about, even to the point of destabilizing nations, which obviously always leads to further mass immigration.

 

[1:30:28]

 

Natty: So I actually had this in my notes about the book in that there are these kind of linchpin moments in history, the shooting of Franz Ferdinand that kicked off the First World War, the invasion of Poland, maybe as part of what happened in the Second World War. In the book, this incident at the Belgian embassy kicks off the invasion fleet heading to Europe.

 

But in reality, it was Gaddafi and the destruction of Libya and the destruction of Gaddafi’s government that led to this.

 

And if you put your conspiracy hat on, although I guess it’s not really conspiratorial to say that if Gaddafi understood this, when he was saying, :

 

“If you get rid of me, you are going to face this tidal wave of people flooding up from Africa in the Middle East and wherever else coming across the Mediterranean.”

 

If he understood that, then the people who were getting rid of him, namely the American regime, they obviously understood that too, which has to make you think, well, that’s exactly what they wanted, or part of what they wanted, whether it was a bonus on top of whatever else they were doing in the region. That’s what happened.

 

And as a result, not only did it lead to this gathering of people on the southern shores of the Mediterranean who wanted to cross to the northern shores, that’s just procedural, right? But it showed and exposed something that the book talks about as well, is that Europe had no backbone and no moral fiber to deal with it and stop it happening.

 

So, of course, everyone sees this, everyone recognizes it and so it just continues at pace and picks up pace. And even when it was happening back in, I think it was 2016, or 2015, people in this country were warning:

 

“This is going to be happening in the Channel soon enough. We’re a couple of years away from all of this being on our doorstep.”

 

And, of course nothing was done about it. Everyone just kind of turned over. Politicians ignore that kind of warning. And now, here we are. So history is a continuation. It’s not just stop, start, there’s cause and there’s effect, for everything.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah. The thing about Gaddafi, I remember him and I had so much admiration for him when I was younger, just, :

 

“Oh, Gaddafi is doing this.”

 

And I’m talking through the 80s and 90s. He was almost a bit of a hero, if I’m honest. But the media did everything they could to demonize him. And they made out he was evil incarnate. But you could see through it. I could see through it. Like he ruled his country with an iron rod. I think they loved him, didn’t they? His people? They didn’t hate him. Although the press would make out that he was an evil despot, wouldn’t they?

 

But I was actually quite sad when they killed him. But at the time, I wasn’t aware of what’s going on now. I didn’t see the connection. But he was so right, what he said was going to happen, happened. And the rest really it’s all happening now, isn’t it? Just because of that one man’s death this is all happening. But, yeah, I liked him. I kind of had respect for Saddam Hussein as well. I’m not sure what was lies and what was truth, what we were told about.

 

Mark Collett: Everything was lies with him. I mean, he literally didn’t do anything. He didn’t have any of the Weapons Of Mass Destruction that they said he did. He just wanted a strong state for his people.

 

[1:34:15]

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, and I saw at the time, he was another evil incarnate as far as our media was concerned. But I saw things about his people loving him and shrines to him and thinking:

 

“Well, how could they love him? How’s that happening?”

 

I mean, do you remember all these dead children that were gassed by Saddam Hussein that our media put out? So now, I can look back to things in the media, things in the press at the time, the propaganda they were giving us to hate somebody. And it was like all these children that he poisoned gassed.

 

I don’t know if you remember that photo, because it was quite an iconic photo at the time, these little Toddlers just laying face down dead because of him. And then what followed from that was, I don’t think they killed him then. But there was a drive to arrest him and catch him and kill him. But, yeah, I didn’t know what to make of him. But I didn’t quite believe what I was reading, even though I didn’t know what I know now.

 

Mark Collett: You know what’s always interesting as well, Sally. And I’m going to pose this question to you both. But I want you to answer it first. Obviously, gassings have a very special cultural power over us. But haven’t you noticed whenever a mad Middle Eastern despot has to be taken care of, it’s always because they’ve gassed somebody! It was the same with Al Assad in Syria. It was a gas attack! That was the reason why America had to start dropping bombs with Saddam Hussein. He gassed his enemies. And do you think this is something that is used, because it obviously has a mental connection for people to that certain history that people have been completely brainwashed over?

 

Aunt Sally: You know what I mean? He gassed his enemies. No, he killed children. Men, women and children. That was what we were shown. That was all the photos in the newspaper of these poor little Toddlers, these little Arab children all laying in the sand, frothing at the mouth. And I’ve seen something as well with the White Hats. They’ve done that quite a few times, the gassing thing.

 

But, yeah, this does seem to be a fixation with gassing going on somewhere, doesn’t it? That’s for sure. I forgot about Assad as well. He’s supposed to have done it. Why would you gas them? Why would you gas them? So there’s evidence. You just round them all up and throw them in hole, bury them! Why gas them and then let people take photos of it?

 

Natty: Careful Sally! [chuckling] It was a stupid, dubious incident in Syria that almost led us in there. Yeah, history repeats itself!

 

Mark Collett: It certainly does. We’ve got some final Superchats. One more from a good friend who sent several ones he put:

 

“Camp of the Saints was ahead of its time. Steve Sailor is the only person talking about the most important statistic in the world. 4.5 billion Africans by 2100! 50% of the youth want to go to Europe.”

 

Yeah, as we said throughout this stream, the one thing that Jean Raspail got wrong for me was where this was coming from. Now, I’m not saying Indians don’t want to come here. I’m not saying that having lots of Indians coming here would be a bad thing. Of course it would. But I don’t see this Indian problem.

 

The problem is Africa. And Africa is the one part of the world where the population growth is, you know, explosive! And they are going to be heading here. I remember back in my early days of YouTube, I did a video saying 100 million Africans, or 200, I can’t remember it’s either 100 million, or 200 million headed to Europe. And this came from a speech from, actually, a French official, which is quite poetic considering we’re talking about a French author and a book which is largely set based around the fate of France.

 

But, yeah, they are coming here in large numbers. Rory Herbert gave £3. Thank you so much, Rory. And he said:

 

“Dear Mark, would you consider reviewing the novel Lord of the Flies, written by William Golden in 1954, or the film of the same name?”

 

I think it might be an interesting topic. Because yeah, you know what? I’ve actually read The Lord of the Flies. It’s been a long time since I have. And I always found that book quite disturbing, especially the end. There’s a lot that can be taken from that. I would be actually interested in reading Lord of the Flies again.

 

And as I say, I remember reading that in school. And Cheesy Watson gave a generous £25. Thank you so much, my friend. He said:

 

“Another book on a similar theme to Camp of the Saints is Fugue.”

How do you pronounce that? F-U-G-U-E. How do you pronounce hat Natty? I’m expecting you all know, because I don’t.

 

Natty: Sorry, Mark, I’m struggling to hear you. My audio is breaking up a little bit there.

 

Mark Collett: How do you pronounce the word? F-U-G-U-E?

 

Aunt Sally: Is it French?

 

Natty: Fugue? I think you could be in a fugue state. I think.

 

[1:40:03]

 

Mark Collett: Yes, that’s it. I didn’t want to read it out incorrectly:

 

“Fugue for a Darkening Island by Christopher Priest. It details civil war when African refugees flood Britain. Interesting. It was published around 1971, just before Camp of the Saints. Not sure if it’s any good, though.”

 

I would definitely be interested in reading that if it’s similar. And this is African refugees flooding Britain. And it was published in 1971.

 

By the way, Sally, you were correct. He wrote the book, or finished the book in 1972, when I said it was he wrote it in 1973. What I meant was it was originally published in 1973. But yeah. Thank you for that, Cheesy. What’s it. I’m going to see if that one is actually available.

 

And, yes, it is. You can get that on Ebay for as little as £3.49. And I’ll read you the premise of this. The novel story is told in an acronylogical fashion, jumping back and forth between several time periods. The protagonist, a former Professor of English named Alan Whitman, is initially concerned only with protecting his wife and daughter, but is gradually drawn further into the broader conflict over the course of events. And it says:

 

“It is brought about by the rise of a new third party who enter government and combat a massive influx in African refugees, which have been allied in part by the principal opposition faction known as the Secessionist, culminating into a multiple party conflict.”

 

So, yeah, that would be very, very interesting. And obviously it’s by an English writer.

 

So, yeah, would absolutely review this. Obviously, we probably [words unclear] next month. Because it would be like two books that are identical back to back. But, yeah, and the author is still alive. He’s 79. So maybe we could wrangle it and get him on the show? But that sounds very interesting. Have we lost Natty? We’ve lost Natty. He said he was having troubles.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, he’s gone.

 

Mark Collett: He’ll be fine. And we got another question. This is from Jack Bevan. He said, :

 

“Would you be interested in reviewing Liberalism Unmasked by Richard Houk? He’s a writer for Counter-Currents?”

 

Yeah, well, look, anyone from Counter-Currents is welcome to come on. Richard Houk, if you’re reading this, or if anyone can get him to email us, would happily review his book, he’d be more than welcome to come on the show. So the answer to that is, absolutely! We certainly would review your book, my friend. So, yes.

 

As I say, Natty is still gone. And we’re getting to the point of the night where we’re about to wrap up. So that is very unfortunate, because we certainly want his wise words on the roundup at the end.

 

So, yeah, we’ll discuss a few other things and hopefully he will be back in the next couple of minutes. He’s probably rebooting his computer as we speak. Computers are obviously a bit of a pain in the butt and can be very irritating.

 

But, yeah, I want to say just a couple of final things about this. I just think it’s quite poetic, really, that we’re reviewing this book tonight, especially considering the protests that I’ve been at over the last few weekends. I think that everything that Jean Raspail said, other than them coming from India was largely-oh he’s back!-was largely correct. And I do think it makes for a very entertaining book. Natty, can you hear us? Can you hear me?

 

Natty: Can you guys hear me?

 

Mark Collett: You’re back. We’ve got a $5 Superchat. Somebody saying:

 

“Would we ever review two of the books written by William Pierce?”

 

No, we absolutely wouldn’t! I don’t recommend anybody in Britain seek out the books of William Pierce. I’m not saying the guy was a bad man. He did some excellent work. But some of his books are likely to be the kind of book that could get you into some trouble. And we certainly wouldn’t recommend that you read, or seek out any texts that could get you into bother. And we certainly do not endorse any form of violent direct action, or anything that could lead to any individual who is interested in nationalism getting into trouble.

 

We believe that the only way is peaceful, Democratic community building. And that is what we’re investing in. As I said, I think Dr William Pierce did some very good work throughout his life. But some of his books could well be books that are on that secret government banned list, which is enforced in a very unfair way. What I mean, by that is you can go to Waterstones, or WH Smith and buy certain books. And if you’re an anarchist, or a Leftist, there’s nothing wrong with that.

 

But if you happen to be a nationalist and you pick up those books, you will be arrested. And people have gone to jail for owning them. So there is definitely selective enforcement of the law there. So if you’re basically an Antifa terrorist, you can own those books.

 

[1:45:45]

 

But if you are a nationalist who might be curious about what’s in those books, you could get arrested. So what I’m saying is. You need to be very, very careful what you do. And we want to channel all of our energies into things that are legal, above board and are based around building communities and changing the political landscape. So we absolutely don’t endorse those books.

 

Anyway, what we should do is now head towards wrapping up this show. I think it’s been a very good show tonight. And we started a few minutes late. I’m sure everyone wants to get off at around 09:00, because it’s Sunday night.

 

So Aunt Sally is now the first one on my panel. So, Aunt Sally, do you want to give your final thoughts on this book. And whether you recommend it? I think it’s going to be pretty scathing.

 

Aunt Sally: .. I think it’s very much a man’s book. It’s not my cup of tea. I really didn’t like it. Almost traumatized by it. It’s horrible! But there are some very interesting lessons to be learnt, or to be had from it. So it’s not a bad book, it’s just really just not my thing at all. Yeah, but everyone else seems to rave about it. You both liked it, I think. But I’m a woman and I’m playing the girl card. It’s not for me. It’s nothing in it that, … Politics bore the hell out of me anyway.

 

But the interesting parts are the way that the liberals acted. And I thought, then how did he know that’s how they would act all the way back then? It’s worth a read if it’s your cup of tea. It’s not mine. Sorry. Anyway, I’ll pop it back.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much Aunt Sally. I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the book. And obviously we don’t try to foist books upon you that you don’t enjoy. But, yeah, not every book is going to be for every man, or every woman.

 

So, Natty, I think your take is going to be slightly different to Aunt Sally’s. Do you recommend this book? Did you enjoy it? What’s your final thoughts, my friend?

 

Natty: Yeah, definitely. Not only is it an enjoyable book. Again it’s one of those books that’s quite important for it’s time. I’ll tell you what, on a personal level as well, it’s written a little bit like Starship Troopers and the way Robert Heinlein wrote in that there’s kind of political ideas and political essays coming out of some of the mouths of the characters in what is a novel form, which I really enjoy…

 

I think it’s quite easy when you have a book, a non-fiction book, it can get a bit dry and stale. But if you have political ideas coming out of the mouths of characters who are also taking certain actions, whether it’s going to war, or defending borders, or whatever they’re doing, it makes it much more interesting.

 

So there’s a lot of that in this book.

 

So, yeah, definitely. Highly recommended! Highly recommended!

 

Mark Collett: Okay, well, I’ll give you my final thoughts. I like this book, and I liked it for a few reasons. I liked it because it was very much a story told on a macro level that dived into a few different individuals and showed their story, but without really focusing. There wasn’t sort of one hero, or one central character. And I think that’s a very bold move! I think that’s a very difficult kind of book to write and to make it compelling. But it’s something I like.

 

I always really enjoy the beginning of zombie films where you start to see the crumbling of society and the zombie sort of taking over. And I tend to not enjoy the second half of those films where it just becomes the same well trodden heroes journey of five people fighting their way out of a shopping centre, or making their way to an airport to refit the last helicopter that can fly out of there and escape.

 

I like seeing how everything changes and society collapses. And I like actually watching that take place, or I’ve always wanted to watch that take place over the entire course of the film. But you never get this.

 

[1:50:02]

 

And I felt this book was really bold in the it showed you everything on a macro level. And it also wrote things from a certain perspective where you felt this impending doom. And as a reader, you’re constantly hoping that something was going to change. You were constantly thinking:

 

“Oh my gosh, can this be stopped?”

 

And it doesn’t! Which leads to quite a shocking ending, an ending that sort of gives you a slap around the face with a wet fish.

 

And that’s a good thing as well, because this author, he wrote things in a different way and he made you think about things. And there’s so much of it that’s prophetic. There’s so much of it which sort of draws on history, like the Haitian revolution.

 

And so much of it is relevant to the current struggle that we are engaged in. So much of that book can be applied to what’s happening today. And obviously so much so, that it has influenced people like Steve Bannon, who was really the mastermind behind Trump’s successful 2016 run.

 

So I definitely recommend picking this up. There’s a link in the description below to a copy on Archive.org, which is free. There is the full PDF that can be downloaded from my Telegram. And there’s also the audio book in several parts that can be downloaded from my Telegram. Obviously, they’re all free. So please do feel that you can go and get this book and enjoy it.

 

And obviously, if you want a physical copy in English, Claymore Books do have one coming out. But at the moment, physical copies in English are very rare and do fetch well over £100 per copy. I mean, I’ve seen them go for over 200. So that’s quite a lot for a book.

 

But it is obviously highly sought after, because it is one of those books you could say is a formative read. It’s something that helps people form their opinions and solidify their work, solidifies their worldview. And it does it all, probably with a little bit of Sci-Fi, with a little bit of that dystopian future. Which I do think Sally is very right when she says it’s certainly more of a male book than it is a female book.

 

So maybe if you are a female, you wouldn’t enjoy this as much. But considering it’s free and considering it’s available in audio format, I definitely do believe that this could be something that you may well enjoy. And as it’s free, I suggest giving it a whirl.

 

So, yeah, that’s my thoughts. And obviously everyone’s giving their thoughts. So that comes to the end of the stream. Obviously the stream has been slightly shorter tonight, because we’re having a couple of technical issues getting started. But I hope you’ve enjoyed it all the same. It’s only about five minutes shorter than usual anyway. So I think we’ve managed to wrap up just in time.

 

So I will be back next week. On Wednesday. We’ve got two guests on Patriotic Weekly Review. It’s going to be Laura Tower and Emily Yukis. It’s going to be a bit of a woman’s hour. So they will be doing what women do best, which is chat a lot. And you can obviously join them. And you can ask them your questions.

 

We should also be back next Friday night for a big stream. It’s going to be our monthly roundup stream and obviously if you’ve been living under a rock, you’ll have missed the fact that Patriotic Alternative have had probably one of their biggest ever months. It’s been a month to remember.

 

We’ve had several demos, which would be massive. I’ve spoken at two separate massive anti-immigrant demos, both of them with well over 100 people there. About 115 in Leeds, about 200 to 215 in Hull. So that’s been a busy month. So you can have the full round up there.

 

And Laura and Sam will be back tomorrow night with Teatime with Sam and Laura. So you can check that out too. And obviously we will be back at the end of next month for another edition of Book Club. And I’m talking to an author who’s contacted me through Twitter, who wants to send me and the guys here a copy of his book.

 

And next month we will be joined by another reviewer as well, a guy called Bill Aithling from Wales who is a PA activist. So we’re going to get the numbers back up to four reviewers. I hope you’ll all be looking forward to that. Anyway, everyone, if you can, please give you goodbyes and say good night and we’ll wrap things up.

 

Aunt Sally: Goodbye, everyone. Thanks for listening.

 

Natty: See you later, guys. See you next month. Look forward to whatever book comes down the pipe. Have a good evening.

 

 

 

Mark Collett — It’s Okay To Be White — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — Christmas Adverts – Multicultural Propaganda — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — What We Must Do To Win — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — Assad Didn’t Do It – Faked Syrian Gas Attack — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett: This conference has probably been defined by two things. Strength in the face of adversity, and the exceptionally high quality of our speakers!

 

[Applause].

 

However I have to say we have probably saved the best to last! Now, we all know who is the last speaker. It’s Laura Towler!

 

[Long applause].

 

And Laura doesn’t really need an introduction. [chuckling] And we are short on time. But she’s going to get one anyway!

 

Laura is the most competent, resilient, and passionate person I have ever met in my life! And during my life I have a long list of mistakes that I have made! But one thing which certainly wasn’t a mistake, in fact, possibly the best decision, or one of the best decisions, I ever made was appointing Laura as my Deputy. Because she truly is the best of what we have to offer!

 

[Long applause]

 

Laura Towler: Wow! I can’t believe you all did that! I’m so embarrassed. [chuckling] Thank you very much. Okay.

 

So my speech today is about the “butterfly effect”. So all of us are here today, because we understand the current trajectory that Great Britain, and the West in general, is on and I’d like to give an overview in a handful of sentences. I apologize that I start my speech with something negative. And I hope you find my speech today to be positive and proactive. But in order to talk about action I must first explain what our action must be in response to.

 

We’ve lived on these islands for thousands of years. But as each day passes in the present, we become a smaller, and smaller percentage of the overall population of our home, as a result of the deliberate demographic replacement of our people! We are discriminated against on a daily basis, being the only race who can advocate for ourselves without being told that we must therefore hate everybody else.

 

 

At best we lose out on careers, opportunities, and pay, due to diversity quotas. And we rarely identify with those we see on TV. At worst the horrific abuse and murder of our people is ignored, or covered up by the State and media. And those of us who highlight atrocities like those of Richard Everett, Ross Parker, Chris Donald, Aaron Doug Mark, Ben Hitchcock, Christopher Yates, or Lucy Law, just to name a few, are labelled “sickening and cynical” for bringing it up.

 

They say we have a Conservative government. But the only thing they care to conserve is global capitalism, the protection of big business, and the continuous import of cheap foreign labour, in order to undercut and undermine the native population.

 

Our ability to organize, or even discuss the crisis we face has been taken from us under the guise of “hate speech” and “extremism”! And whether, or not, the facts we share are labelled a “conspiracy theory”, or not, depends on whether we support, or oppose them.

 

We edge towards a country that will label you a terrorist, if your views sit outside a very narrow list of establishment approved opinions. Perhaps we’re already there? Those in power have already decided without ever asking us, where we’re headed, and what our future will be.

 

But how did we get here? What on earth happened that led us to where we are today? History books tell us that in the summer of 1914 an event took place that would change the course of Europe forever. On the 28th of June a Bosnian Serb student named the Gavrilo Princip, fatally shot at close range, the Heir Presumptive to the Austral-Hungarian throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. Austria-Hungary blamed the Serbian government for the attack. And exactly one month later they declared war on Serbia. (yes please. Thank you.) [chuckling].

 

[05:27]

 

So this was, of course, the start of the First World War. A war that would result in conflict and instability across the continent for many decades to come. Gavrilo Princip could never have known that his bullets would result in such outcomes as the Treaty of Versailles, and the rise of National Socialism in Germany, the outbreak of the Second World War, that would result in around 80 million deaths, Israel’s establishment as an independent State in 1948, the division of Eastern west Germany, and the 45-year Cold War. And ultimately the collapse of communism, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the breakup of Yugoslavia. All events which contributed to the situation we find ourselves in today.

 

We’re told that we can’t be nationalists. And we can’t and there can’t be no collective collectivisation for White people, because remember what happened the last time there was.

 

What I’m referring to here is known as the “butterfly effect”. The theory that one small action, often as delicate as the flutter of a butterfly’s wings, can set off a chain of monumental events that will change the course of history forever!

 

In spring of last year another butterfly fluttered it’s wings, as a black criminal named George Floyd died whilst high on drugs and resisting arrest in Minnesota, USA. Floyd’s death wasn’t swept under the carpet like the deaths of those I mentioned earlier. Instead, Floyd’s death are, to be more accurate the system’s response to Floyd’s death, set off a chain of events that would result in widespread riots, looting, and violence across the Western world, and the mass scale racial awakening of our people in response.

 

Because of censorship there is little discourse left on social media, sites like Facebook and Twitter, apart from the utterly predictable and infantile nonsense of the pawns and devotees of the system. And if you’re anything like me I cannot stand these people!

 

Journalists, independent researchers, and fact checkers, with no urgency to ever scratch below the surface, and whose investigative journey involves being so courageous as to cite a quote from Hope not Hate, FBP midwits educated and cowardly enough to know this to know that they’re supposed to hate themselves, but never quite educated enough to understand how ridiculous they look to the rest of us, when they pretend not to understand what the word “British” means. And Antifa cowards with their Che Guevara T-shirts and Starbucks coffees, calling themselves the “real revolutionaries”, whilst they parrot exactly the same politics as Netflix, Disney, and Burger King!

 

[Applause]

 

But underneath this manufactured facade of fake public opinion, lies the majority, lies common sense, lies decency, lies nature, lies us! If we have one flaw as a people, it’s our kindness! It’s that we are too empathetic, too polite, and too forgiving, often to the detriment of our own safety and success.

 

But whilst many of our people bite their tongues and persevere, a little longer a new paradigm is beginning to bubble and stir below the surface.

 

Because the shameless lies, the downright hypocrisy, and the heartless attacks in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death, are too much for even the least confrontational of our people not to notice.

 

Every apparatus of the system has been telling us enthusiastically for almost a year and a half now that black people are victimized by the police. That systemic racism prevails! Yet the system’s very own statistics tell us a different story. Black people are, in fact, underrepresented in police killings compared to how much crime they commit! White people, on the other hand, are over represented in the same category, despite the majority of police officers being White. The very same figures tell us that you’re twice as likely to be a police officer killed by a black man, then you are a black man killed by a police officer.

 

They tell us in the United States at least 70% of black people who are murdered, are murdered by other black people. And only 10 percent of black people who are murdered by White people. More black people murder White people than White people murder black people. And all of this, of course, is in a country where the White population is five times that of the black population.

 

[10:24]

 

 

The evidence shows us that as a matter of statistical reality, “Black Lives Matter” significantly less to other black people than they do to anybody else.

 

[Applause]

 

Black people are actually safer around White people than they are their own people.

 

[Applause]

 

But every politician, every celebrity, every newspaper, will tell you that the exact opposite of the truth, is true! They feed us lie, upon lie, upon lie! And then censor and deplatform any evidence to the contrary.

 

Even those of our people who haven’t looked up these figures are still aware of the anti-White agenda and the manufactured racial resentment on a more intuitive level.

 

They’ve seen our shops looted, our statues pulled down, and our flags set on fire. They understand by now that Whites must be held collectively responsible for the historical crimes of all Whites, while blacks aren’t even held responsible for the crimes they commit today. They understand that whenever a black person does something bad. Well, that’s the fault of White people and whenever a black person does something good, well that’s definitely his own work!

 

They may even understand that when a White person does something good, that’s probably thanks to black people as well! They built the NHS, and the pyramids, don’t, you know!

 

[Applause]

 

Who can’t forget the Euros of this year when England made it to the final, thanks to diversity and multiculturalism, or so, they said:

 

“Thank god for open borders!”

 

They said:

 

“There’d be no football trophies without immigration.”

 

They said. But then when three black players missed their penalties in the final and questions were asked about whether diversity had now, in fact, lost us the cup, well out comes Amy Sharp at the Sunday Mirror to condemn such vile, racist abuse!:

 

“And why would you even notice what race of football players were anywhere? You racists!”

 

The aftermath following on from George Floyd’s death turned out to be the biggest ever recruitment tool for Patriotic Alternative. We were handed a monumental opportunity that we continue to capitalize on today. We still regularly get new people joining us who tell us that they woke up to race during last summer’s riots.

 

No other event over the last two years has brought more people to nationalism than the event I’m discussing right now. A butterfly surely did flutter it’s wings that day!

 

Each of us are capable of our own butterfly effects. And many of us will already be able to identify ones that we’ve been part of did PA Scotland ever envision, as they climbed to the top of Ben Nevis this summer, just how much they dominate the global press for weeks to come?

 

[Applause]

 

Did Jody Kay, or should I say Gemma from Cambridge, know, as she dialed the phone that day, that her call to Keir Starmer on LBC would cause public disavowals and infighting in the Labour Party? Was I to know that a single tweet about tea [chuckling] could result in successful family business and a source of funding for British nationalism? And how about that leaflet that you posted through the door of that “just can’t help themselves but to virtue signal Lefty”? Did you foretell that it would result in a Twitter meltdown? A statement from their local MP, or the police? And free publicity for Patriotic Alternative in the local, or national press?

 

Each week the fraudulent media and their boring buzzwords, and tiresome clichés, with their recycled quotes from tedious politicians, send thousands of new eyes our way.

 

And it’s the often small acts of each of us that triggers the starting lever each time. There are even people sat in the audience here today who made their way to Patriotic Alternative, because they read about us in the press. What influence will these people have? What decisions will they make?

 

[15:21]

 

Nationalism is greater than the individual! Each of us represents a small part in a much larger engine. A necessary engine that’s working towards a mighty plan! A plan to secure a future for the British! Whether you organized the event, held the banner, took the photo, or informed that journalist, your actions influenced the journey and the end result that day. You are part of a rapidly growing, dedicated, community, whose small actions are influencing the lives of our people tomorrow. Something that you could do this year could have huge consequences for our future.

 

We are men of action! Not men of talk! We will lead by example! Not leave it to somebody else!

 

Patriotic Alternative supporters and activists sit head and shoulders above everybody else. Each month the activity from just one of our regions surpasses the work done by entire organisations. There is so much talent, bravery, integrity, and honour, in this room.

 

And woe betide those of our adversaries who make the mistake of misrepresenting us! Because we are not to be confused with other movements of the past or present. We cannot be bought, and we cannot be threatened, because there is no reward, or caution they could ever offer us that comes close to the feeling of love that we have for our own! Their attempts to bog us down and distract us with petty drama, will be stepped over. Their Endeavours to intimidate and dox, will be met with unwavering resoluteness! Their efforts to inconvenience us will result in no fruition, for our reward is much greater! Therefore we can sit this out considerably longer than they can.

 

No question will ever make us feel uncomfortable, for we shall always respond with the truth! No accusation will ever fill us with guilt for we know our history more than they do! And no matter how good, or bad, our past our present deed, we’re not sorry! And we will never allow it to be used to take our future from us.

 

Their charges of guilt and privilege will never be dignified with a response, for they have no hold over us. And there will never be a moment in the future where we compromise, or where we accept a single hair on the head of one of our people being hurt. There will never be a time when we reconsider the Right of the British to exist as a distinct group of people in our own homeland!

 

And to those who have attacked us, lied about us, and tried to stop us, I ask you only one question. Is that all you have? For we are just getting started!

 

[Applause]

 

So I’ve reached my conclusion.

 

Back in March my husband, Sam, and I discovered that we were expecting our first child [chuckling]. A daughter who we will name Catherine. And she’s expected to join us in about seven weeks. Of course, we were over the moon when we found out. And we told our family members who were equally as excited. Upon hearing the news a couple of family members took me to one side and asked:

 

“If now was the time for me to step away from politics? Leave it to somebody else.”

 

They said. I responded that the news about my daughter had made me more determined than ever! None of us do this job for clout, or money! We do this because we care about the safety, prosperity, and future of our people.

 

And now there’s a very tiny, helpless, and innocent person, on the way who’s dependent on me to keep her safe.

 

I want my daughter to grow up in a country where she can be proud of who she is. I want her success to be based on her hard work and merit. I want her to be able to walk down the street without the risk of ogling taxi drivers and takeaway owners attempting to pick her up. I want her to live in a safe, crime-free, and cohesive, community. I want her to live in a nation that values dignity, self-respect, and long-term happiness. Not a nation that rewards us with followers and fame for degrading ourselves on live TV. I want her to be taught to stay away from predators. And I want her to be able to speak freely, and tell the truth!

 

[20:23]

 

But most of all, I don’t want her to have to do what we have to do! I don’t want her to be attacked in the street, unpersoned by the banks, smeared by the media, targeted by the government, raided by the police, or risk going to prison, simply for advocating for the well-being of her people. That’s our burden! Not hers.

 

I repeat the first line of my speech. All of us are here today, because we understand the current trajectory that Great Britain, and the West in general, is on. Well, I read a cheesy quote on the internet the other day. And it said – I do apologize for the cheese!:

 

“Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.”

 

The path that’s been set out for us may often seem hostile and forbidden. But we have the means, and the wings, to change it. Our actions today no matter how small will determine our future. Do not ever allow yourself to be in a position where you have to look your children, or grandchildren in the eye and say anything other than:

 

“I did everything I could!”

 

Patriotic Alternative is the vehicle we shall use to implement real change for the British people. We are the true alternative to a corrupt, perverted, and broken system, that is more than happy to facilitate the replacement and demise of our people.

 

However, I honestly believe that with Patriotic Alternative there shall be no end. With Patriotic Alternative, tomorrow we live!

 

Thank you for listening!

 

[Long applause]

 

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[Outro music]

 

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