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Millennial Woes

 

A Gram of Woes No 45

 

 

Tue, Nov 7, 2023

 

[Woes does an interesting round up of current events and his take on things, especially Tommy Robinson and his plans for a counter protest against pro-Palestinian protesters in London on Sat, Nov 11.

It was also very good to see Woes get stuck into that stuck-up Douglas Murray and his usual self-righteous display of grovelling suck-up to zionist power, the very people causing the destruction of the West that he claims to bemoan!

– KATANA]

 

 

 

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2023, Week 45.

 

Hello, everyone, and welcome to A Gram of Woes, on regularly, Tuesday the 7th of November 2023.

 

So there’s a lot to talk about actually, I have a lot of things:

 

“Woes. With the news that pro-Palestine demonstrations are set to take place in London on Armistice Day and a Patriot counter-protest planned, how do you see the events playing out?”

 

“Most of us know it’s a trap, but it feels impossible sometimes to get through to the Patriot crowd, who care little for the realities of the situation and always reply with, ‘So we do nothing?’, when warned to stay away from London on Saturday. What adds more suspicion into the mix is that Tommy Robinson’s Twitter account has been reinstated at a terribly convenient time.”

 

Well, that gets us into a number of the things that I wanted to talk about.

 

So the Gaza thing continues. There are some awful pictures and footage that have come out recently. I try to avoid them, but it’s kind of difficult when you’re on social media. It continues, it gets worse. Tensions around the whole thing in terms of the conflict spreading, seem to have lessened somewhat since last week, I think because, well, I don’t know, I guess the time has sort of, sort of passed. There hadn’t been escalations, basically.

 

So Russia isn’t getting involved, China isn’t getting involved. Russia, I did see something that they were giving some sort of weaponry or defense system. I think it was a defense system to the Palestinians, but that’s all I’ve seen. And then Yemen did declare war, apparently declared war on Israel, but I’ve heard no more about that. So maybe that was fake?

 

So the point is that we don’t seem to be looking at World War Three, which is obviously a relief. But at the same time, that means more of this corrupt system will go on and on for the foreseeable future.

 

So that’s the general situation.

 

However, the split between Zionists and their supporters and their opponents has only deepened in the last week.

 

So you’ve got a real divide here! A huge divide now! Between what has been called the Left and the mainstream media and certainly the political establishment in every country. The mainstream media is actually being. I wouldn’t say fair, but it’s not being entirely pro-Zionist. Even the BBC is being fairly even handed.

 

So it’s an interesting thing where for the first time, you’ve got a sort of bifurcation in the mainstream for the first time in a long time. I mean, Covid, Ukraine, climate change, LGBT and the migrant crisis for the last ten years at least, the mainstream has very much been one unified entity. It’s kind of weird that it would take this issue to rupture that. Of course, they’ll still be united in all of those other issues, but this is different.

 

[04:023]

 

I also think that it has changed people’s view of Israel, and especially Zionism. I think that it suffered a huge amount of PR damage. And that is why it was interesting that several high profile Twitter accounts were reinstated over the last week because of the PR damage done to Israel and Zionism. It’s very interesting that Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins, and I think there was a third one, I’m forgetting now, got reinstated on Twitter. Which means unsuspended, got their accounts back with all their followers.

 

And I think that Tommy Robinson has about 300,000 followers, something like that. He’s big on there and he’s been on Telegram ever since, with, I think, 150,000 followers on there ever since. But upon being reinstated, he said:

 

“It’s nice to have a voice again.”

 

Which is interesting and rather depressing about how realistically Telegram fits into the ecosystem of social media. Because ultimately it is public, technically, but the general public aren’t there, whereas Twitter is much more open. I mean, you will see a tweet being shared and talked about in the media. You won’t see a Telegram post. They won’t be quoting a Telegram post in a Times article or something like that.

 

So anyway. And he was welcomed back. Tommy was welcomed back to Twitter by numerous people, including Sargon of Akad. There’s a screenshot doing the rounds of, you know, it just feels like we’re back in time! We’re so back in time, to coin a phrase. And it’s tedious and tiresome and fucking annoying! It could be 2015 again. And not in a good way, not in the optimism. Well, not 2015, 16, the optimism. No, this is 2015, 16, let’s moan about Muslims!

 

To get back to the whole thing, because there are numerous facets here.

 

So the tensions, the pro-Palestine demonstrations spreading all over the West, getting very large. And then it was announced that there would be a large, a really big one on Remembrance Day [Armistice Day] on the 11 November, which is obviously commemorating the war days, especially the two World wars, the Poppy and so on.

 

And it’s something that’s sort of intrinsic to British culture, certainly all of my lifetime, since the First World War, so over 100 years. It’s something that matters to us. It’s one of those traditions that binds us together, even those of us who certainly were not alive at that time or even the Second World War. This has been one of those staples of British culture which matters! Not that the remembrance itself about war obviously matters, but I think another way in which this matters is that it is a British tradition.

 

So it’s something for the British people especially, really only the indigenous British people. Because all the migrants, all the immigrants weren’t here. They were not here 100 years ago or even for the Second World War.

 

So this is not for them. It’s very much our heritage!

 

[08:01]

 

So when the pro-Palestine people say that they’re going to basically gate crash this, that’s not just uncouth, rude, it’s also perceived as anti-British. And there will be a contingent among them for whom it’s not anti-British like, they’re British Lefties who want to use Remembrance Sunday to bring awareness to their issue. But a great number of them, it will be anti-British because they won’t be British in any real sense.

 

And of course, this is a good example of how this whole issue is bringing to people’s minds the idea that these migrants are not really British, that they haven’t really integrated, that they don’t really care about the country or its culture or heritage. And so multiculturalism does not work! The real issue is that mass immigration does not work. But they’ll blame it on multiculturalism, which is the allowed euphemism here. They’ll say, well, if only they integrated, not multiculturalism:

 

“If they integrated into British culture, then everything would be okay. But in the meantime, we will be angry at them for not integrating.”

 

So this is the reaction that you’re now seeing from the other side. And cue Tommy. So he’s allowed back on Twitter! And apparently Elon Musk actually had a private meeting with Rishi Sunak just a few days before this happened.

 

So it’s going to kick off big time? Well, that’s what people are saying. That’s what the mainstream media are saying. They’re fears of a far-Right.

 

Of course, Tommy Robinson is called far-Right. So he’s associated with nationalism, with the dissident Right, the Alt-Right. Very annoying! Because the man is a dumpling. Worse than that, he’s not just thick. Well, he’s not just the class dunce. He’s the class clown as well.

 

In other words, he’s not just thick, he’s an attention seeker. He thrives on this. And he thrives on chaos and drama, which is why his crowd was always just absolutely rife with drama, like a soap opera. Because that’s the kind of person he is.

 

And he doesn’t really, I don’t think he really understands much, but he doesn’t need to. He does understand that some brown people aren’t like us. And that’s really it:

 

“Some brown people rape our daughters and sisters. Well, they should integrate. They should integrate more and then they wouldn’t rape our daughters and sisters!”

 

It’s fucking grug, grug stuff! And not even true! At least if it were accurate, you could say, well, it’s basic and stupid, but it’s true. It’s not true! And it is delusional about the reality of, well, different people’s identity, religion, race and so on.

 

The only way for them to really integrate is for us to be dissolved and them. So it’s a dreadful situation in which there is no other solution but for them to leave the country. That’s really the only solution here. Well, from my perspective. From their perspective, the solution is for me and all of us to dissolve into them.

 

[11:55]

 

But I don’t see that as a solution. I see that as a travesty!

 

So anyway, to get back to all this, I don’t think he understands much, but he does understand., … He is a natural leader, although he doesn’t have any strategy or brains or whatever, he does have charisma and he does love attention and he loves to be important. And people like him. For all his flaws, he is a likable character, on the surface. So he’s friendly, he’s outgoing, he’s loud, he likes a laugh, he’s a lad! So people warm to him.

 

So anyway, he is back on Twitter! And one of the first things he says is that literally, one of the first things he said, having got his Twitter back, was that he was going to “rally a nation” and specifically in the Remembrance Day event.

 

So it’s a counterprotest to the counterprotest, I’ll be specific. It’s like “patriotic” in inverted commas. Counterprotest to the pro-Palestine counterprotest to remembrance Sunday. So they’re saying that they’re going to protect our statues and all that.

 

Now, the word patriotic, we should be careful about this because in a low brow sense, these guys, these Tommy fans, are patriotic in the most basic sense. They do care about their country, their kin, their local town. They’re very sort of basic, simple people who don’t understand any of the abstractions that are going on! They just want the people they know to be safe. And increasingly the people they know will be multiracial and mixed race, but they just want them to be safe. And that’s really all the thinking that there is.

 

But that is a form of patriotism!

 

So when I say “patriotic” and inverted commas, it’s not exactly fair. They are actually enacting that instinct to protect homeland and kith and kin [one’s acquaintances and relatives]. That is the heart of patriotism. But unfortunately, the fact that it is grug and low brow matters, because it leaves them vulnerable to being manipulated and used like cannon fodder. And I think that’s what’s happening here.

 

Now, whether there will be violence at this. I mean, there will be some violence that’s just inevitable when you’ve got a bunch of drunk North FC types and a bunch of pro-Palestine [chuckling] Arabs facing off in central London. Yeah, there will be some violence for sure.

 

What I think is there might even be like a stabbing, something like that. But what I think is there won’t be major violence. I think this will turn out to be something where the mainstream media has got everyone worked up about it in expectation, and then actually it will pass largely without much bloodshed.

 

[15:27]

 

But the point is that the point will have been made, right? I don’t think they actually need much violence in order to make the point, which is:

 

“These brown people are bad because they don’t support the jews! They don’t support Zionism! I’ve got a jewish friend, he’s just like anyone else. He’s very upset about what these brown people are doing!”

 

Et cetera. That’s the point that will be made here. And that’s all that it’s supposed to make. That’s all that it’s supposed to do.

 

And that’s why Tommy Robinson has been reinstated on Twitter and why the mainstream media is crowing about this, about this whole thing, the counter-protest and the counter counter-protest.

 

I think it’s all orchestrated. And Morgoth put a good article out today when he talked about the Behavioural Insights Team, the Nudge Unit. And he made this very interesting observation that the Nudge Unit is used to pacify people. That’s basically what it’s done. The purposes to which it’s been put have all been to calm people down, get them to just do as they’re told, all that.

 

But what if it could also be used in the other direction to agitate people? And why wouldn’t it? You’re Garnering all this knowledge about what makes people tick and how to make people do what you want them to do. Well, you can put that to any use, can’t you?

 

And I agree with Morgoth and other people have made the same point over the last few days, that all of this is being orchestrated. The British state, not necessarily the British government as such. The politicians, I think they are largely dumplings. They don’t understand anything. But the British state is infested with civil servants and NGOs and so on, which are run by, I think, far smarter people and they know exactly what they’re doing here!

 

And basically it’s a fictitious patriotic drive where you get everyone worked up. And ultimately it’s about nothing! Because what if well, ultimately it leads to nothing. Because what would Tommy Robinson, his crowd, what kind of Britain do they want? They want the Britain of, well, 2010, 2015, [chuckling] I’m not sure. Maybe 2015, but without the Pakistani grooming gangs. So they just want everyone to integrate together. It’s the nihilism.

 

But that’s the best that this kind of patriotism could lead to, and it would be the dissolution of everything that we are culturally, genetically.

 

So that’s Tommy Robinson’s function, as well as just to distract people from real nationalism and real patriotism, like actual thinking patriotism, which is a huge part of it as well:

 

“This could be a golden opportunity to highlight the catastrophic failures of multiculturalism only for the football crowd to ruin everything and place all the focus on the emerging threat of the far-Right.”

 

Well, exactly!

 

So there are numerous things there. It will highlight the catastrophic failures of multiculturalism. Yes. But in a way that is useful to the establishment, because they can say:

 

“The test of multiculturalism is, do we all support Zionism or not?”

 

Which [chuckling] is fucking mental!

 

[19:17]

 

Anyway, the other aspect is that the football crowd, that’s Tommy Robinson’s crowd, will go in and be, … They will certainly be drunk. They will certainly, some of them be on drugs, and they are certainly looking for a fight! They are certainly looking for violence. So they’ll go in and cause mayhem!

 

And then the result is that the media, the government, the state, can then blame the far-Right and Tommy Robinson. But more importantly, the far-Right, for causing all this violence, which they have ginned up! Including by getting Tommy Robinson reinstated on Twitter.

 

I mean, I just don’t believe that that was spontaneous. I just simply don’t believe that he and Katie Hopkins, any more than I believe it was just a bizarre coincidence that Way of the World and I were banned from YouTube on the very same day! No! No, that doesn’t happen!

 

And similarly, Katie Hopkins and Tom Robinson being reinstated on Twitter on the same day, just a week before this all kicks off. No! It’s obviously orchestrated. They actually really should have staggered it. Like, have one of them reinstated one day and then another one, two weeks later or something, because that would have been more plausible.

 

The [chuckling] point is that they can do something like this right out in the open, obviously, and people won’t even notice! The grugs won’t even think it’s suspicious that Tommy and Katie were brought back onto Twitter on the same day. Won’t even fucking occur to them that that’s odd! Because they’re just thinking about the fight. They’re just thinking about:

 

“Eh, we’re going to stick it to those Arabs!”

 

Cukg.

 

And the thing is, they might. And then, as JR says, there will be a lot of violence then, and then a lot of grugs going to jail, but also the far-Right, that generally what is called the “far-Right”, I really reject that label. I don’t like it! I’m not comfortable with it.

 

But nonetheless, it is what we are called, and all of us will be demonised alongside that.

 

So then we are, I mean, they could even say it’s “terrorism”. The far-Right is the “terrorist threat”, because:

 

“Well, they stabbed some brown people on this protest!”

 

And I don’t even think it will be stabbing. It’ll be bottling, it’ll be fists, that kind of thing. Because Tommy’s crowd and the football crowd, they’re not a black street gang.

 

As far as I know, there hasn’t been anything like knives or guns or anything like that. I’m just trying to think what’s the worst that could possibly happen. It’s not going to be shootings, it would be stabbings. I think that’s as far as it could possibly go in terms of violence.

 

And I’m not saying that. I’m not trying to diminish that it’s obviously fucking awful! But I’m using that as the worst case scenario here, that there are stabbings at this.

 

It doesn’t really matter, though, because whatever happens, the media will use it, will create the impression that they desire about these events. As usual, they can work with almost anything.

 

[23:10]

 

“Also note that despite everything, there haven’t been any attacks that we might have expected as well. As do you mean terror attacks by Muslims serves to only further the idea that Tommy and co are just bullies.”

 

Yes, yes. Well, they can say that after the fact. They can say that:

 

“The Muslims, the pro-Palestine crowd, would disapprove of their point of view, but nonetheless, they were peaceful. But Tommy and his crowd went in there and beat them up, raised hell with these poor brown immigrants!”

 

And by the media, we mean the state, can manipulate and use this any way it likes in contradictory ways. They’ll gin up loathing for the Muslims, for being anti-semitic, anti-Zionist, but then gin up sympathy for the Muslims when they’re beaten up by the Tommy crowd. And they’ll gin up sympathy for the Tommy crowd for being patriotic, but then condemn them when there’s violence at this protest. Condemn them as animals! And even see Tommy going to prison again for what he organised:

 

“He organised violence that he meted out to those poor Muslims on Remembrance Sunday!”

 

And you can see the narratives, the storylines that they would construct for all of this.

 

Anyway, so let’s see. You could get lost in talking about all the different implications of this, the different facets of it. But I think I’ve covered the broad thing there.

 

So I’ll read this question again:

 

“With the news that pro-Palestine demonstrations are set to take place in London on Armistice Day, a patriotic counter-protest planned. How do you see the events playing out? Most of us know It’s a trap, but it feels impossible sometimes to get through to the patriot crowd who care little.”

 

Yes, it is impossible because they tend to be pretty thick! That’s just the fact of the matter:

 

“Who care little for the realities of the situation. And they always reply with, ‘So we do nothing?’, when warned to stay away from London.”

 

The truth is, we should do nothing, because we don’t have power. And so to do anything is to just lay yourself wide open to the predations of the powerful. That’s the truth! Yeah. We should do nothing. I don’t like it. I really don’t like it! I wish we could do something. I wish we could have our way. I wish we could get our ideas across in the public sphere and in the political sphere and transform Britain. I really do wish that!

 

But in this current situation, we have no power at all! And our enemies do have unlimited power!

 

[26:07]

 

So if you put yourself out there, you’re just a mix between puppet and cannon fodder. They will use you, however they like, to condemn all of your beliefs, to condemn your actions on the day, to condemn you as a person. They’ll dig up your past. They’ll paint you in whatever way they like and everything you believe in in whatever way they like! Because that’s what the powerful can do to the powerless, and we are basically the powerless. I’m sorry. It’s a depressing thing to say. But it’s true. And we have to face up to that because acting like we have power or we have the vicarious power of the state, like the state will back us up when we go and protest something, that’s unfortunately just bollocks!

 

The LGBT activist, he has the power of the state backing him up, so to speak, when he goes on a gay protest. [chuckling] But actual patriots and even fake patriots like Tommy don’t! Well, Tommy, this is weird. He does have the backing of the state, insofar as I’m certain they got his Twitter reinstated and I’m certain they are using him. I wouldn’t even be surprised if there is a spoken agreement between him and the state:

 

“Sometimes we’ll send you to prison. Don’t worry, it’ll be cushy, but otherwise we want you to cause trouble.”

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some sort of agreement between Tommy and the state.

 

But the point is, yeah, he is a fake patriot because of what his ideas lead to.

 

And ultimately, I don’t really, … I mean, I think he does care about Britain, but I think he cares more about having an argy-bargy:

 

“I’m getting lots of attention!”

 

Exactly!:

 

“It’s not going to change the demographics of London.”

 

Precisely.

 

Oh, Douglas Murray:

 

“Must admit, the Douglas Murray interview on Trigonometry got my blood pumping more than any intellectual discourse I’ve heard or have read in the last three years following Woes, AA and Morgoth, etc. Everyone on all sides is absolutely obsessed with the jews. Fuck off, man! And remember that to get a job done, you sometimes need to take all the allies you can get, get them all out.”

 

Well, look, if you’re talking about achieving mass deportation of Muslims, that would be terrific. Is that what this is going to lead to? But otherwise, these are not our allies. Douglas Murray is not our ally. Organised international jewry are not our allies.

 

And if you think they are, you’re a fucking fool! Just look at who started mass immigration! Look at who campaigned for Hate Speech laws relentlessly! Look who orchestrated the migrant crisis in 2015 onwards, and tell me that these are our fucking allies! Are you mad? I don’t know what you’re saying. I’m sorry if I’ve misunderstood something, but I just don’t understand.

 

 

Douglas Murray. His job is to prevent the general public from realizing what I’ve just said. And his appearance on Trigonometry, which I haven’t watched, … But those two as well. Trigonometry as well! Their job is to mislead people and prevent them from realizing the stuff I’ve just said.

 

Go and Google Andrew Joyce, Empire Windrush and you’ll find an essay on Occidental Observer that fucking lays it out for you! The stuff that Douglas Murray certainly wouldn’t want anyone to know! And really doesn’t want anyone to know!

 

 

He’s a piece of shit! The last few weeks it’s been disgusting! And his self righteousness, his dramatic way of speaking, his solemnness! This is all faux. It’s all fake! It’s all put on! It’s disgusting! It makes me sick, really!

 

 

[30:47]

 

For 15 years or more he has been a paid traitor to his people, riling them up about the Muslims pointlessly. Maybe there is a point to it. Maybe the British state realises that mass immigration has been a disaster:

 

“The Muslims aren’t integrating. So what we’ve got to do is gradually gin up loathing for them among the indigenous Brits and then that will justify us sending them all back!”

 

Do we believe that?

 

And then that’s the purpose of Douglas Murray and so on and Tommy Robinson, that the British state secretly wants to deport all these Muslims and reverse multiculturalism! Absolute bollocks! Because they continue bringing them in year after year, thousands upon thousands! Hundreds of thousands probably every year. So they would have stopped that years and years ago if they had any intention of mass deportation now. Or is it that the Muslims’reaction to the Gaza conflict has made them suddenly see:

 

“Oh, these Muslims aren’t integrating. We’ll have to deport them all! Quick, release, Tommy!”

 

Bollocks! Something is going on here that they’re not going to implement mass deportations, I don’t think. I mean, how can it just have occurred to them now that they’re not integrating?

 

So, no, I think there would be some token deportations. Red meat for the Tommytards and the Conservatards. But that’s it. The grander narrative here will be that the far-Right is evil. The far-Right is violent and stupid and low brow and so forth. But also that the Palestinians are awful for, … Well, that the Muslims are awful for being anti-semitic.

 

But they’ll also say that the far-Right, that Tommy crowd, is also anti-semitic. While he diligently rejects any form of awareness of the jewish question [JQ] and vehemently discourages it among his supporters, the state and the media will nonetheless call him an anti-semite, even though he’s funded by jews, in league with God knows how many jewish organisations, has jewish colleagues. Nonetheless, the likes of Hope not Hate will call him anti-semitic, and the BBC and so on.

 

Or they’ll say that his politics, his ideas, leads to anti-semitism. So he’ll be condemned for that. All the while the problems continue.

 

And that’s really what’s going on here. I think it’s just a containment mechanism. It’s just a red meat for the various concerned parties. But it won’t actually lead to any big social change, any policy change. Oh, yeah. So he wanted to fight for Israel. Yeah, there’s all that. There’s all that as well.

 

[34:12]

 

I mean, you could go into it. But I’m trying to keep it general! [chuckling] So that I don’t lose the thread. And he made the Shalom film, all that.

 

He actually has the same attitude as the British state, that multiculturalism is fine, it’s wonderful, until jews are harmed by it, then it’s terrible!

 

So we don’t really exist! And I bet you if you said to Tommy Robinson:

 

“What about the British people?”

 

He would probably say:

 

“Well, who do you mean? We don’t really exist. We’re all from Africa!”

 

Because he’ll have heard those slogans. I don’t think he’ll really understand anything. Maybe I’m underestimating the guy, but he just seems to get habitually used by Ezra Levant, jewish organisations, the mainstream media, the British state, especially the British state. Used and abused by them:

 

“Don’t know the details of what Tommy is trying to organise, but anyone who still thinks after Charlottesville on January 6, that IRL [In Real Life] protests are a smart idea is probably not going to make it.”

 

Yes, I agree. That’s exactly the point. These things are orchestrated beforehand, during, and especially afterwards! After the fact.

 

So, yeah, I guess that’s the takeaway. The summary is people should not go to this protest on Armistice Day, Remembrance Day, because it’s a trap. I think they want some amount of violence. As I say, I don’t think it’s going to be a bloodbath, but there will be fisticuffs, that kind of thing.

 

And I think they want it. They want to get a few photographs of some slob or hooligan punching a harmless brown guy. That would be ideal. That would be what they’d love to have at the end of this. But maybe also violence from the brown guys towards the hooligans.

 

And, of course, in the eyes of the middle class, this just looks like a fucking nightmare! It will look:

 

“Okay, so this is what patriotism is. Oh, dear! It’s having a tracksuit on and drinking a bottle of Newcastle Brown ale in public, and then getting into fisticuffs with a Muslim chap!”

 

And [chuckling] that’s not going to be attractive to the middle class! Which, of course, is exactly what they’ve always wanted to make nationalism, patriotism, repugnant to the middle class, to the educated. And Tommy has diligently served them well in that regard. Over and over again!

 

But then so have other elements of actual nationalism. To be fair, they’ve made it very easy for the state and the media to demonise this kind of stuff. But point is that as long as the middle class are on board with generally some diversity, multiculturalism, then nothing’s going to change. What Tommy and his grugs do is. Well, yeah, I’m just saying he is a leader, but he’s a leader of morons! And he’s certainly not going to change the culture or have any idea.

 

In fact, his only ideas for improving the culture and improving Britain would be, as I said earlier, that we all race mix. The guy’s in dumpling! I’m sorry, but he just does not seem to be very bright. He has that sociopathy that I think is very typical of political leaders and yeah, a cynical grifter. Yeah, I agree. Oh, yes:

 

“The brown men like Rishi Sunak will emerge as the voice of reason. Let’s not forget that Tommy’s cash till will be ringing louder than ever!”

 

Yeah, right.

 

[39:02]

 

So, yeah, what Tommy said on Twitter was:

 

“Saturday, eleven, eleven, eleven, London. Your country needs you!”

 

Echoing the famous poster with Lord Kitchener.

 

So that’s four days from now. So we’ll see what happened.

 

Unity News, they’re saying anyone who has still a functioning brain and cares about this country should stay well away from this obvious Fed op. Yes, I agree.

 

Nick Clews says:

 

“I don’t think it will be anything.”

 

Well, maybe nothing will come. Maybe it will just be a big sort of tension raising exercise in the media and then not much will actually happen.

 

But the point will have been established, nonetheless. Even though nothing happened. The point, it will have been inserted into people’s minds that the far-Right is a threat, which is really the goal with all of this, is to insert into the public’s mind certain ideas.

 

Oh, no, I didn’t see this interview with Hitchens and Alex O’Connor. Is that the one where he walked out of it after and he, … It took 17 minutes to, … Hold on a minute. Yes. Yes, I did! Yes, I did see this! I watched the whole thing. It’s a 17 minutes “walkout”, where he takes that long arguing with the guy. He’s standing up, he’s putting on his bicycling outfits and all that, and he’s still arguing with him for 17 minutes! And honestly, I’ve had three relatives who had dementia, and it manifests early on in different ways in each person. It’s different.

 

But one of the ways is a sort of frustration that they’re not keeping up with things, early on, in the progress of the disease. They realise that they’re not quite on the ball and they feel that other people are tricking them, moving too far ahead, confusing them.

 

And honestly, I’m a bit concerned. I am because for all his flaws, I like Peter Hitchens. And that was a strange thing, that 17 minutes walk out. I mean, it’s funny to watch. But during it I did start to think, was he just in a bad mood on this particular day? Or is there something more going on here?

 

Anyway, oh, I should have, … Right, okay, so Halloween happened and I was meant to do a stream with Lichtmesz with Martin Lichtmesz, about ghosts for Halloween, but unfortunately that didn’t happen. There was a technical screw up at his end that meant that we couldn’t do it.

 

And he also had to miss the Decameron the next day as well, which was very unfortunate. So we’ll see about rescheduling. It’s a shame. I really was looking forward to it, but unfortunately that couldn’t happen.

[42:35]

 

Also, Guy Fawkes Night happened. And on both of these occasions I scheduled loads of pictures throughout each of the Halloween and Guy Fawkes Day. Because I like both festivals, if you can call them a festival. I’m not sure what the word would be. But especially Guy Fawkes Night. I prefer that to Halloween just because it’s more dark and serious and rooted in British history. And I’ve got fond memories of the sights and sounds and smells of bonfire night. So it’s closer to me. And I was kind of disappointed that we couldn’t. Didn’t do a stream about it to commemorate it. But I thought:

 

“Well, there’s not actually that much to be said about. You’d say the same thing every year!”

 

Yeah, [chuckling] but it’s just a shame. It’d be nice to commemorate it in some way, to take part in it in some way.

 

And so my way was to post photos, mostly from yester, well, all from yesteryear, Guy Fawkes Night being celebrated by people, especially kids, throughout the decades. That was lovely. I liked that. So I hope people enjoyed those photos.

 

Halloween, I probably enjoyed it more when I was a child. I do like Halloween, … And this is the biggest cliche. So I’m sorry to say it, I don’t like how commercial it’s become. I don’t like that it all feels fake and plasticky. I think it should be local. I think you should keep it local. I think that things should be made by your mum or your friend’s mum, and by the wee shop, they should sell things. But I don’t like that. It feels very shallow.

 

And I can see Bonfire Night going the same way. Eventually the kids won’t make a Guy. I don’t even know if they still do that nowadays?

 

But I can imagine Amazon selling a Guy that you can burn. So that you don’t need to make your own, because it’s inconvenient! [chuckling] And I really hope that doesn’t happen.

 

But anyway, yeah, I liked Halloween as a child. Small, but as you get older, for the reasons I’ve just given, it starts to seem a bit shallow and American, sort of meaningless, which I don’t like saying because it does have roots. All Hallows Eve. It does have roots in European culture, but it’s all a bit shallow nowadays.

 

And I think that it’s salvageable, though. I mean, it’s perfectly salvageable. It just, you know, we should not. Well, we should have a better culture than we do, basically. Yeah. I mean, kids will always love Halloween, of course. Yeah. Probably the most internationally recognised day. It really is world-wide. And, yes, it’s very shallow. Yeah. It just feels like, as I say, plasticky. Silly.

 

I made the point last year about turnips, that it used to be turnips that we used in Britain, whereas it’s become pumpkins. And that’s just one sort of manifestation of this, where everything becomes Americanised over time. I don’t like it. Don’t like it at all!

 

[46:18]

 

And the Guardian and the BBC, there’s an article in MSN.com called “How the Guardian and BBC got swept up in a wave of anti-semitism”. And, I mean, this is amazing! So no matter how this is, you know, just to be fair and even handed about the conflict is in certain eyes to be “anti-semitic”.

 

And of course, to be anti-Zionist is to be anti-semitic in certain eyes. And no matter how craven your support for jews and the jewish people is, if you don’t support them carpet bombing Gaza and killing huge numbers of small children, then you’re an anti-semite! This is insane!

 

And that’s the thing. Look how craven, how absolutely committed to diversity and multiculturalism the Guardian and the BBC are! But if they say something critical of Israel’s conduct in this conflict, then they’re anti-semitic. So fucking tiresome! Oh, yes. So and this is an example of them ginning this up for Tommy and his crowd:

 

“Home Secretary Suella Braverman, who is not White and is married to a jew. Suella Braverman refers to the anti-war, pro-peace., …”

 

So this is the Palestine side:

 

“Refers to the anti-war, pro-peace protests as hate marches!”

 

Anti-war, pro-peace equals hate marches because it’s anti-semitic! So, in an article in Jewish Chronicle [chuckling] from March this year, long before this conflict started, Braverman wrote:

 

“My husband is a proud Zionist. We have close family members who serve in the IDF.”

 

[chuckling] There we go! She’s not compromised at all!

 

Oh, this is the thing I was trying to remember earlier. This is a letter from the Ministry of Foreign affairs in Saudi Arabia:

 

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia condemns, in the strongest terms possible, the extremist remarks by an Israeli occupation government minister regarding dropping a nuclear bomb on the besieged Gaza Strip, which show the pervasiveness of extremism and brutality among members of the Israeli government. Moreover, not dismissing the minister from the government immediately and only freezing his membership constitutes the utmost disregard for all human and religious moral values and legal norms by the Israeli government.”

 

There we go. That was another minor event that happened this week.

 

Oh, okay. One thing was Audrey Hale, the transsexual gunman who opened fire in a Christian school in Nashville last year. The manifesto has been leaked. And one page in the manifesto says:

 

“Kill those kids, those crackers! Going to private fancy schools with those fancy khakis and sports backpacks with their daddy’s Mustangs and convertibles. Fuck you little shits! I wish to shoot your weak arse dicks with your mop yellow hair! Want to kill all you little crackers. Bunch of little faggots with your White privileges. Fuck you, faggots!”

 

It’s interesting to hear a transgender using the word “faggots” I guess that’s like black people using a certain word [nigger]. They’re allowed to do it.

 

[50:35]

 

So this is the manifesto that the FBI would not release last year, when the shooting happened, they kept it under wraps. And you can see why. It was anti-White. It was expressly anti-White, the killing. Let me see this. Audrey Hale. And it’s weird, because as far as I can see, that is a White person, a White boy. I can’t even tell whether it was, … The jawline looks male, but it looks like, … No, I think it was originally a girl. And, yeah, that does look like her.

 

Anyway, the point is, Audrey Hale was White herself, but she seems to have been, well, pumped full of not only hormones, but also anti-White sentiment, anti-White beliefs. And that has formed part of her killing crusade. If what I’m saying is accurate, then that means that this is what they say about nationalism, that it leads to killing. To moan about Muslims or multiculturalism leads to murder!

 

Well, then this seems to be that exact thing, where you’re going on and on about how awful White people are, and then that leads to them being killed. Especially by black people, but even by this transgender. [chuckling] it’s all quite weird!

 

So, yeah, you can see why they wouldn’t release this manifesto at the time.

 

Whereas if it’s a racist White guy and he’s got a manifesto, they always release that it’s just so fucking annoying!

 

And a poppy seller in Edinburgh, Waverly station train station. He’s 78 years old and he was punched by pro-Palestine protesters, apparently. That was one thing that happened here. There are tensions, there are real tensions.

 

And I think on all sides, the tensions are being stoked by the mainstream media, by the British state, deliberately, knowingly. Because whatever the fallout is, they can control it. Or so they think.

 

Anyway, let’s, because I’ll get on to that later.

 

Another thing that happened was the AfD has been declared an extremist, Right-wing extremist organisation by the Federal Office for the Protection of the German Constitution. I’m guessing that’s the equivalent of our Home Office. But it’s the Saxony Anhalt office. It’s one division, as far as I know, not the general country. And in Saxony Anhalt, the AfD scored higher than the Christian Democrat Party, the CDU, for the first time, and that was just a few days ago.

 

And then this guy declares them Right-wing extremist organisation. This is how they do it. They are clearly very worried about the AfD. And you can moan about the AfD, a bunch of cucks or whatever, but it’s based enough for the establishment to be clearly very concerned about. Unless that too is a fiction that they’re manufacturing. But I just don’t get the feeling that is the case there in Germany.

 

Okay. Ross asks a question:

 

“In order to survive in a world of superpowers, do you think Europe might have to unite into a European superstate? It seems to me that nationalism in the traditional sense is dead and Imperium Europa is the way forward.”

 

[54:41]

 

Well, I’m with Mosley on this matter. He also believes in a European federation, but he clearly was devoted to Britain. I mean, you can do both. It’s not a contradiction. I mean, you could say it’s serving two masters, but not really, because Britain is part of Europe, so it makes sense. I mean, I don’t think that we should be opposed to France and Germany and Belgium and Sweden. I think that they are our allies, they’re our colleagues, our brothers. So we should put our interests first, but we should also put their interests second, and we should collaborate with them and help each other out.

 

I mean, there will always be brotherly sibling rivalry, but that’s just something for adults to deal with which they should fucking well be able to. It certainly doesn’t mean that we should be sabotaging each other or going to war with each other. And especially because we now know the full scope of the human species and just how different most of them are from us Europeans.

 

Regardless of the minor differences between us, the contrast between us and outside of Europe is much starker than any contrast within Europe. And that should be very clear to everyone at this point. If you can’t see the point of European identity and the salience of it at this point, then you’re just a retard!

 

So I do think that European identity clearly matters. There is such a thing as being European. There absolutely is! It’s part of being a civilisation. But that does not contradict love for one’s country, one’s own homeland, any more than love for one’s town precludes love for one’s country. Of course it doesn’t. My town is my favourite place and so on.

 

But that doesn’t mean, therefore I’m opposed to the rest of the country. Fucking, that’s ridiculous! No one would ever say that. I don’t think anyone has ever said that! [chuckling]

 

And yet we have this idea that to be pro-Britain is necessarily to be anti-Europe or opposed to other European countries. I just don’t see it. I don’t see it. I understand the logic of the thinking, but I just don’t think it’s actually true in the real world unless we make it true! Unless we decide to behave in that way. So we’ll moan about the French and the Germans and all this, like certain civic nationalists do, or the Spitfire Bulldog nationalists who are just a bunch of morons.

 

And as I say, historically, the time for that kind of small minded, petty nationalism is just absolutely over! It was over in 1945. It was over in 1918. We just should not be behaving like that towards each other or talking of each other like that.

 

[57:57]

 

I mean, I’ll make jokes about the French now and then, but it is a joke in the end. I absolutely want the best for the French. I don’t want the French to be Muslimified or blackified. Absolutely not!

 

People use the term “petty nationalism” in different ways. The way that I’m using it. What I mean by it here is that small minded nationalism, where you got this idea that you only care about your own country and are suspicious of other European countries. I think that’s silly!

 

The other way in which people use the term petty nationalism is, well, to simply care about your country. There are people who think that we should all be sort of cosmopolitan to some degree. And I disagree with that. I think it’s very natural and healthy to have attachment to your homeland, to what you have known, to the culture and people and history of your nation. I think that’s absolutely right! So to call that petty, I think, is ridiculous!

 

So anyway, that’s what I think about that.

 

And as for federation, yes, there should be some sort of federation, but it should be run by people. Well, it should be run by good people and formulated by good people, not managerialist husks, and certainly not nutters, [chuckling] technocrats and so on.

 

First and foremost there should be a love of, well, what we are. And if that were the guiding principle, if that were the heart of everything, then the EU would actually be a good thing. It would be a force for good.

 

So I don’t think that the EU entirely negates or discredits the idea of European Federation. I think it’s European Federation done in the worst possible way and with a retarded mentality. But that doesn’t mean that European Federation is always foolhardy by definition. I just don’t think that’s true at all. And I agree with what you’re saying in a world of superpowers, and that is the reality. Geopolitics is you can’t just put your head in the sand and just ignore what’s going on in the rest of the world. If you do that, the rest of the world will just rape you. That’s what the powerful do to the weak, unfortunately, in politics.

 

So, yeah, superpowers matter. Power matters. Geopolitics matters. And nationalism has to take place within that arena. You have to acknowledge the realities around it.

 

I mean, how else are you going to protect your country if you don’t acknowledge the realities of the power structures that you’re operating within?

 

So there we go.

 

And then Black Pigeon Pilled asked the question:

 

“Have we reached peak jewish power?”

 

Which is a very interesting matter.

 

And this is what I was saying, what I alluded to earlier, that the establishment think they can control the story after the fact, because they’ve got that power. Because historically, for a long time they’ve had that power, and now they’ve got the Nudge Unit to do it in a more slick know, inculcate ideas into the public and so on.

 

[1:01:47]

 

But there is a sense, and Counter-Currents did a podcast a few days ago with Morgoth and Pox Populi and Endeavour, which was a very interesting debate, and I shared it on Telegram, about this matter. Has jewish power peaked now?

 

I remember Richard Spencer once saying about 2018, sometime like that. He said that jewish power actually peaked in the mid 90s. Clinton, that sort of era. And the Iraq war and Afghanistan war actually helped to reduce it. And it’s been reducing ever since. It’s been diminishing ever since. Which would make sense because demographically it’s actually not looking good for the Ashkenazi in America. Their kids keep marrying out and not having enough children of their own. And in the establishment, especially the universities, there’s a lot of brown people now who don’t want to promote or enrol jews! [chuckling] Because they are anti-semitic, I mean, they actually are consciously anti-semitic.

 

So of course, those brown people have been aided in arriving in America, in the West by jewish organisations much of the time.

 

But nonetheless, once here in the West, they’re quite anti-jew. They’re quite anti-semitic because they don’t know who brought them here, who paved the way for them. So it doesn’t matter.

 

So the point is, to some extent, jews in America are being devoured by the things that they have helped create. And actually, well, I wrote a summary of this for someone else, but I don’t think I need to, … Things like Critical Theory and White Privilege because they get rolled into that, they get associated with being White by brown people at least.

 

And then imperialism, supremacy, all this kind of stuff, historical structures of systemic violence and oppression, all of that. They’ve been inculcating that in the curriculum all over the West. And now Israel is invading Gaza. And mean, it seems almost like a genocide. And certainly there are jews speaking genocidally about the Palestinians. So that looks a lot like supremacy and imperialism and racism and the powerful abusing the weak.

 

And there’s really not much that you can say in response to that except:

 

“Well, it’s the jews! So they’re an exception! So they can get away with doing stuff like this. It’s fine for them to do this!”

 

But that’s a ridiculous thing to say. Even with the Holocaust as a justifier!

 

“Well, yes, it might be supremacy and it might be racism and it might be mass murder and it might be an invasion, but it’s okay for the jews to do this because of the Holocaust, 80 years ago!”

 

That doesn’t really, I don’t think that convinces many people because they just think:

 

“Well, yeah, but two wrongs don’t make a right.”

 

[1:05:21]

 

I mean, just because you’ve been abused doesn’t mean that you should abuse other people. So even for people who fully believe the Holocaust narrative, it still doesn’t serve as sufficient justification for Israel to do what it’s doing. [chuckling] So there’s that.

 

And then generally about jewish influence, there is also that the mainstream media is falling apart slowly, and it’s happening much more slowly than we initially thought it would. But it is happening!

 

And the question is whether it can successfully transition to online., … I don’t know. But just now, the situation just now, it looks like once the Boomers die out, television is gone. The old media, I think it’s surviving because of the boomers still, because they’ve always got TV on in their living room all the fucking time! And it’s blaring the BBC or whatever. Once they’re gone, there won’t be a TV on in living rooms up and down the country, blaring the BBC. That will no longer be the case.

 

So that means that the mainstream media, as a persuasive propaganda tool, is losing it’s purchase on the population. And so if you’re using that tool to condition the population and enact your power, well, then you’re losing power! Because the tool just isn’t working anymore! [chuckling]

 

And I think that’s going to be ever more the case. As I say, unless they can successfully transition to online stuff. But I don’t know if they can! I don’t know. Maybe they can. Maybe for normies, the BBC YouTube channel will be what they look at on YouTube and they won’t go to any other website, perhaps.

 

So, yeah, the answer to the question, I think it is, and I think that jewish power is declining. And we talk about “jewish power”, that in itself is an anti-semitic concept. I believe it’s regarded as “anti-semitic”, which is kind of ridiculous because every group has power. So of course the jews are going to have power. There is going to be a thing called jewish power, just like there is a thing, British power and US power, and so forth.

 

But nonetheless, the very concept that jews collectively would have power and the desire to use it is often regarded as an anti-semitic trope. [chuckling] It’s just absurd! And why would any group not want to have power and to use it, and to have uses to put it to? Of course it will!

 

But, yeah, I think that it is declining.

 

And then another part of it is just the Holocaust, as I said last week, I think the Holocaust is just, I mean, there was already jewish power in America and Britain long before the Holocaust. But the Holocaust was something that really inaugurated and justified it. And the Holocaust is now a long time ago, and it just doesn’t mean to younger generations what it meant to the boomers and the silent generation.

 

[1:08:53]

 

So that’s that. And I don’t think there’s anything you can do to combat that you can have endless Holocaust stuff in the media and in education, but it still seems like something that happened a long time ago. And within a context that we can’t even recognise now, the context of national pride. To your average teenager today, it’s unrelatable! It’s unrelatable for the millennials in their thirties and forties. It’s just that we’ve never lived in a context where our countries were oriented towards our people.

 

So it’s a very difficult thing to get worked up about the possibility of something like the Third Reich happening, or something like the Holocaust happening in Britain today. No one thinks that! No one thinks it’s not going to be that.

 

If you’re going to put people in concentration camps, [chuckling] ironically, it’s going to be World Health Organisation bollocks! It’s going to be the UN, it’s going to be the World Economic Forum decreeing that this must be done for the good of the public. It’s not going to be the national government saying:

 

“We don’t like this minority, so we’re going to put them in camps!”

 

That is just completely unrelatable. I think.

 

So, yeah the Holocaust has lost it’s purchase, and that will only continue, especially as Western populations become more diverse, which really, these jewish NGOs are killing the goose that lays the golden egg there. But that seems to be something that they do.

 

And what we care about is what we care about what’s good for us. And that’s not the Holocaust, and it’s not the mass immigration either. It’s us! It’s our countries. The fact that our governments aren’t oriented towards our people, that is the problem!

 

In short, I think that the answer to the question is, yes.

 

But in the meantime, for now, jewish power very much remains a very real thing. And there will also be other reasons as well, within the jewish people that they’ll start believing their own propaganda. Their ethnocentrism, which is very strong, will nonetheless be negated by their beliefs. If they really do believe that race is a little rubbish and it’s just an illusion, and that we should be open minded and that we should learn from other types of people, then there’s no point getting into that marriage that your parents are trying to push you into with that rich but dull banker from the Rubenstein family. You’re interested in that exotic student you’ve met on your business studies degree at whatever university you’re at. So this, I think, is the situation for many young jewish people today.

 

And so again, the ethnocentrism that they’ve had in the past, I think, is being corroded by their own stated beliefs that they state for the Gentiles, but nonetheless, it weaken their own standing. It does weaken their own identity, which in turn weakens their political power as a group.

 

Now, as I say, it’s a slow process, and I’m not going to say it’s going to necessarily nullify jewish power throughout the West.

 

[1:12:55]

 

But I do think you’re not looking at the situation of 1995 anymore. I tend to agree with Richard Spencer on this. I think that it probably peaked in the mid nineties. And ever since then it has remained a thing. And even today, even now, it’s still very powerful! I think that they told Rishi Sunak:

 

“Get Tommy Robinson back on Twitter.”

 

He had a meeting with Musk and it happened. That’s what I basically think happened here.

 

So I don’t mean to say it’s over, that jewish power is just not a thing. It will always be a thing. As long as they exist. Of course they will have some amount of powers by definition. And I think they will remain an especially powerful group, probably forever or foreseeable future.

 

But I don’t think they’re going to have, I mean, well, to put it a different way, jewish power is not going to be the monolithic thing that it was in the past and without that transformation, et cetera, et cetera. [paraphrasing Babara Lerner Spectre]

 

Yeah, China replaces them. That’s the whole other thing. Yeah, China! It’s a whole other aspect of this. And Russia is a different thing as well. It’s obviously different from the West, but it’s also got these weird tendencies that you wouldn’t expect.

 

The point is that Russia is its own thing and it’s quite bizarre and in some ways it is beholden to some of the same ridiculous ideas that have done such damage in the West.

 

But yeah, China is clearly a rising power. And that also is going to weaken jewish influence in the world.

 

Oh, the Holocaust memorial in Victoria Tower Gardens. Yeah, that’s a whole thing. As I say, I do believe that their power is waning.

 

So actually, I think that’s probably why they kvetch so much to have these memorials, to try to bolster their declining power. And that’s regardless of what happens with Gaza, just now with this conflict, I think this is still the case.

 

As I said before, I think this is the last time that they could do something like this. But the long term consequences are still bad for the Israelis either way. Maybe they should move to somewhere else in the world. I don’t know. I’m not saying that is true. I’m just saying maybe something for them to look into. Because clearly it’s an endlessly precarious, nasty, situation in Israel for everyone. But that’s their problem. And it shouldn’t be ours, and it shouldn’t have anything to do with us. We shouldn’t need to know about it.

 

And part of the perversity of the age we live in is that it is our problem! And that we are talking about it! And that we are spending an hour and a half talking about the various ramifications of this march. What’s it got to do with any of our culture, any of our heritage or history?

 

You’ve got a bunch of brown people, the pro-Palestine crowd, and then you’ve got a bunch of faux patriots, largely organised by jews on the other side, fighting it out so as to be condemned by a media that is certainly compromised in multiple directions, and a British state that is completely corrupt.

 

So it’s a very shitty situation!

 

[1:16:46]

 

And I’m not going to black pill people. I’m just outlining the variety and degree of bullshit that’s going on here, and just how disconnected and it is from us and our interests.

 

So I would say, just to emphasise, in case anyone hasn’t gleaned this already, I expressly discourage anyone from attending this counter-protest with Tommy Robinson in London on Remembrance Day. I think it’s just an absolute trap! 100%! And nothing good can come of it.

 

All right, well, I guess that’s everything. I should have taken time to organise the notes better beforehand. That is a lesson. This has been an unnecessarily arduous talk because I didn’t organise the notes beforehand. For anyone doing similar things learn from my mistake. [chuckling] One with Thumbs. That’s a good one!

 

At this point, yes, I think the Western civilisation is a chimera. This is a system of systems, but it’s not a spiritual conquest. It’s become a bureaucratic fucking nightmare! Did I finish my fight with Sargon? The Sargon thing? [chuckling] challenged him to., … Oh, this is the whole thing with Gad Saad. Sargon I can’t see his Twitter, right? Because I’m blocked.

 

So I’m not really aware of what he’s., … Yeah, so Gad Saad has been kvetching on Twitter for the last few weeks, and Sargon seems to have decided that Gad Saad is an ally, a friend of the West, against Muslims against Islam. And yes, sure, he’s not as bad as some of them, of course he isn’t.

 

But the message is still the same. He’s not pro-White Identity or heritage or whatever what I would call Western civilisation. He’s a consumer looking for a safe place to consume, like many (((wanderers))) and many non-Whites. And what he wants is the West to be fit for that purpose. So he’s not an ally in any real sense.

 

And for Sargon to think that he is, I’m sorry, it’s typical of Sargon. I mean, he’s, sorry, he’s not the sharpest tool in the box! And he doesn’t have much excuse at this point. He has many people that he could be learning from. If he can’t fucking work it out himself, which he clearly can, he has many people he could be just [chuckling] asking:

 

“Can you just explain this to me or just tell me what is the situation here?”

 

But he never does.

 

He arduously argues against you for years, and then eventually quietly realises that you were right all along. And he adopts your talking points, but acts as if he came up with them himself. And you are still an idiot! That’s what he does. Because he doesn’t have much, well, any integrity. I’m sorry, but that’s basically the situation. He’s a man without much intelligence and without much integrity.

 

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And I’m sorry to say that because it sounds bitchy, and it is bitchy. But it’s the truth and it’s relevant. I wouldn’t say it just for the sake of it. I’m saying it because it’s relevant. And it matters, too, because he’s holding people back with this nonsense! And it’s what he’s always been doing. I mean, right back to 2015 when he said that:

 

“The alt-Right, the SJWs, Right-wing SJWs!”

 

Just a moron. It’s a fucking stupid thing to say!

 

And this is what he specialises in, these thought terminating cliches, these stupid gotchas! Horseshoe theory and so on, that prevent thought. [chuckling] That’s what he does.

 

So, no, he certainly won’t be on Millenniyule 23. I actually don’t think I would have him on Millenniyule. I would do a stream with him, but I wouldn’t want it to be part of Millenniyule, because it just feels like that would be sullying Millenniyule at this point. And I know that sounds like sour grapes and I’m lying, but honestly, I wouldn’t want to have them on Millenniyule! Because I want Millenniyule to be not combative. I want it to be good spirited and so on.

 

And with Sargon, I would want to be combative. So the Millenniyule wouldn’t be the venue for that.

 

Yeah, exactly! It should be cozy. And I also, frankly, more egotistically, I think that he would need to earn the right to appear on Millenniyule because he’s snubbed me for years now.

 

So, no, I’m not just going to take him back like that! No, he’d have to do some work.

 

Yes, he has been combative on Millenniyule. If you watch the 2017 one, for example, or the 2016 one, and definitely the 2015 one, when he appeared on it uninvited – but nobody was invited as such. It was an open hangout so anyone could join. And he joined. And he was certainly just, … He spent four or 5 hours misunderstanding and pretending to misunderstand, which is a combination. He does both of those.

 

On the one hand, he’s not bright enough to understand what you’re saying, but he is bright enough to pretend to misunderstand those bits that he does understand. [chuckling] Fucking hell!

 

So, yeah, just not the best.

 

I mean, the only reason we have to talk about this guy at all is that he is big, he’s powerful, he’s influential, and that’s an aspect of the perversity of the age we live in. A guy like him should not have influence. He should not be prominent. Unfortunately, because of the abundance of midwits in the world, there are many, many people who will follow a guy like him. There we are.

 

“I like the gay little thing about us adopting SJW language.”

 

I mean, what the fuck? He’s obviously trying to get us to look like morons. Oh, yes, that was some weird thing.

 

And that was another one where it took ages to explain the idea, as if he was talking to a fucking five year old. So you’d have to go very slowly so that I’ll understand. But all it actually had the opposite effect where I was thinking:

 

“Sargon, will you get the fucking point? What the fuck are you trying to say here? Taking ages!”

 

And eventually he did lay it out very simply, and I thought:

 

“Okay, well, that’s just a stupid idea!”

 

Once you can see it clearly, it’s just fucking stupid!

 

So, yeah, I agree.

 

Anyway:

 

“Is Woes really discussing Sargon?”

 

I’m afraid so. And you’re right, I shouldn’t be:

 

“You should have really bludgeoned him for that one!”

 

[chuckling] Well, I’ll be honest, if he did agree to our stream now, I would bludgeon him!

 

And I think he knows that. I think he knows that I wouldn’t be treating him with kid gloves now. So he’s not going to do it. But he wouldn’t do it anyway because he doesn’t want to be shown up. And he also doesn’t want to be associated with me, or any of us.

 

So, yeah, the days of him doing impromptu debates and discussions that is long over, he’s not going to do that. He’s playing it very safe. And I understand that for no one wants to lose their income and whatever. But then fucking check out of the discourse. Don’t keep polluting it with your low brow, low-T nonsense, obviously. But he does, and it’s exasperating!:

 

“I should gate crash an online event of his.”

 

Well, [chuckling] I’m pretty sure his mods would have me banned in short order, but I don’t think he even does events that you can gate crash, does he? I’m not sure. All right. Okay. That’s all.

 

I’m not going to go on about that guy anymore. It is bad when I’m talking about him. Because I know he won’t be talking about me, so I shouldn’t be talking about him:

 

“He was a valuable gateway.”

 

Yes, he was, for sure.

 

I mean, I certainly got lots of new followers from that four hour debate that I did with them for years afterward, so it was certainly good for me. Far better than it was for him. [chuckling] But he’s not going to make that mistake again.

 

“Neil deGrasse Tyson loses his mind.”

 

Oh, God. [chuckling] I mean, he is thick as fuck! He’s just a dumpling. And it’s embarrassing! It’s embarrassing because he’s like the Thomas Sowell of science. People think of him as very., … Oh, and Thomas Sowell! I saw a clip of him. Oh, fuck! Someone asked him:

 

“Where does anti-semitism come from?”

 

And he came out with the old canard that:

 

“It’s about jealousy of jewish success, because it’s always easier to hate someone else than to hate yourself for underachieving!”

 

Well, thanks for that, Thomas! I don’t rate Thomas well, I’m sorry.

 

I mean, yeah, he comes out with some good middle of the road observations that have been said by other people already, but in and of himself, no. If that’s the best that they can do, and let’s face it, it is the best they can do! Then I’m not impressed.

 

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As for Neil deGrasse Tyson, he’s the definition of a diversity hire. He’s only got his career at all because he is black. But he’s certainly not bright. Holy shit! And that clip of him talking about the vaccine, I mean, that really should condemn him forever. Dreadful!

 

Holy shit!

 

“King Charles has confirmed that Rishi Sunak will introduce a permanent smoking ban in Britain for everyone born in 2009 or after.”

 

So nobody born after January 2009 will ever legally be able to buy cigarettes. Holy fuck! So anyone under 14 now, or 14 or under. Will never be able to buy cigarettes. That’s something else. Yeah. I’m against this. I don’t approve of this.

 

I mean, I don’t approve of smoking, really. I know it’s bad for you and it be discouraged, but I don’t agree with banning it. And I still enjoy being in the presence of people smoking, even though I’ve not., … A cigarette has not touched my lips for three and a half years! And I’ve never been close to doing it, to smoking. You just make a decision and that’s it. You’re no longer a smoker, so why would you smoke? It’s easy!

 

But then I did have a sort of maybe divine intervention there to help me with it.

 

But anyway, if I can do it, anyone else could do it!

 

But then again, what about the other things that I’m addicted to, like Coca Cola? Whole other issue.

 

So the point is, I don’t agree with banning it, but at the same time, I’m not surprised that they’re doing this because it has been going this way for a long time in this direction.

 

So there we go.

 

And yes, PGM says:

 

“Meanwhile, we have weed at the liquor store.”

 

Well, that’s in Canada. Yeah. I do suspect that cannabis is just going to be decriminalised everywhere in time because ultimately it serves their ends, it serves their purposes. People are just stoned and listless, which they already largely are.

 

All right, I think that’s it.

 

All right, well, this has been a good one, I think. A bit disjointed, but nonetheless, I think it went fairly well. Yeah So thank you. Thank you for the comments. Thank you for the Superchats. I will see you again next week, hopefully on the correct night of the week.

 

And in the meantime, bye bye for now.

 

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Peak Aussieman
2 days ago
Don’t get swept up in the Counter-Jihad Movement. no good will come of it. It’s all a giant honey pot.

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@Aeneid88
2 days ago
100% its been done before, a lot of people have seen it first hand and won’t fall for it again but the younger guys or the newly red pilled probably will.

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@Goodkunt
2 days ago(edited)
Useful idiots on both sides are only useful to the Jew.

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Hjorth
2 days ago
Sargon will cower. He has his safe space in The Lotus Eaters.

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@MoneyChangersOut
1 day ago
Sargoy of Akukked

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@OscarMeyer
1 day ago
Sargoy of Mossad

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Darby
2 days ago
Sargon vs Woes? Tommy vs the muslims? wake up bro 2016 is back lol

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@M3t4phYzX
2 days ago
I wish..

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@boc_choy
2 days ago
Woes, they mentioned you on Lotus Eaters the other day. It wasn’t anything about you – rather they were showing a video of a street scene and I think Callum comment that someone in the video looked like you and asked ‘is that Woes?’ They all commented and laughed good heartedly except Sargon who said nothing.

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Millennial Woes
2 days ago
LOL

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@filled_soda
2 days ago
I am now convinced that Sargon’s ego is of truly biblical proportions.

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@Chabbor
2 days ago
No doubt he’d smugly chuckle at this.

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@Justsomeguy115
2 days ago
MUST CONSUUUME… ERRR INDIVIDUALISM

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purebloodheretic
2 days ago
Sargon has been a smug eurocunt since way back

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Just a guy trying to honor my ancestors, and understand the world.
2 days ago(edited)
I don’t believe that. I genuinely don’t think Sargon is smug. I think he’s nihilistic, calculated and comfortable. In the end, I don’t believe Carl is particularly political. He’s a guy who has carved out a very easy, comfortable life by convincing retards that he’s taking risks, is brave, etc. and he doesn’t have to work a real job or worry about money like most of us do. Being a fake-edgy centrist is a path to an easy life if you can string a few sentences together slightly better than most.

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2 days ago
Sargon’s praised & promoted every single controlled opposition figure going, & carries on doing so to this day, years after everyone else has spotted what was going on.
I’m talking about the likes of Farage, Tommy Robinson, Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson etc..
He honestly hasn’t got 2 brain cells to rub together.

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@OscarMeyer
1 day ago
Old Dick Spencer had this clown, Sargoy, figured out years ago.

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BobMatthews
2 days ago
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if it’s not the bbc then its fox news in America for so many White boomer parents that are “conservative”. And yes they will mindlessly have tv blaring away in their dens puking out nonsense or watching something like gold rush which is likely alltogether a fake show that is obviously making more money from boomer viewership than any gold they are mining if they are even mining it at all…

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@Goodkunt
2 days ago
You just summed up dinner at my Parents house. Boomers are a lost cause.

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BobMatthews
1 day ago
it’s got to number in 5-8 hours per day that they watch crap like oak island (arguably one of the most vacant, nonsensical pieces of crap I have ever seen). And fox news has constant commercials of nothing but non-Whites in them and $upport jews, israel, and anti-semitism is on the rise types. You try to show boomers alternative sources of media and news and explain to them how all these guys speaking facts and showing evidence of black violence and jewish influence around 2019 whom were censored and cancelled which is vindication if any as to the degree of truth they speak, you explain these things to boomers and literally it’s more productive talking to a vrick wall.

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Oswald Jr.
2 days ago
Woes, did you see the Edinburgh Evening New report on the riot in Niddrie on Bonfire Night? They used an image from a riot in Kiev back in 2014 for the front page story. 😆

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Runt’s Meadow
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The 11th November is not ‘remembrance day’, it is Armistice Day, and specifically commemorates the end of fighting on the western front in WW1, which was seen in Britain as the effective end of the war. This year, Remembrance Sunday will be the next day.

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ChuckGerety
13 hours ago
I say we step aside and let leftist steer the ship. Watch them crash and burn. We will see how well it works out for them in 15-20 years but our hands will be clean. We will then begin to rebuild in a healthier society afterwards.

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@Goodkunt
2 days ago
“Oh ToMmY tOmMy ToMmY….”

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Loup-Garou
2 days ago
Whites are the easiest group to scapegoat so if the system feels it will have a problem with Muslims they’ll just insert a “bigger white problem.”

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@long_walk
1 day ago
Sargon (future conservative leader) is levelling up in Warhammer before he take you on.

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@MoneyChangersOut
1 day ago
I wonder if Tommy Bell end Robinson will get Israeli citizenship for all his lackeying for the Jews.

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@Aeneid88
1 day ago
When it comes to PJW and Sargon both they are very sus, their funding was always opaque. Sargon also is self claimed black ancestry and married a woman who already had a kid so you know, his quality and character are not aligned with us. His beliefs are not aligned, his world view is liberal left (again self admitted). He tells you all the time who he is.

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Just a guy trying to honor my ancestors, and understand the world.
2 days ago(edited)
The Israel versus Palestine issue in the DR has been very interesting to me. It’s probably the first meaningful issue where I have felt genuine alienation from many/most dissident right British brothers/cousins. The street violence that white Britain’s have suffered at the hands of perhaps the most low IQ gene pool of Muslims in existence has largely perverted the collective British ability to be politically coherent on the issue. It’s an understandable flaw.
The fact is, The only reason that Islam was ever conceivable as something that could exist in Western Civilization is because of Jewish influence. Many otherwise intelligent dissident Britain’s seems to lose sight of this, or otherwise convince themselves that Anglo cucks are the reason for it all. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how power exchanged hands in the 20th century (again, a misunderstanding seemingly born out of personal annoyance with your local Muslim populations).
When you divorce yourself from these feelings and childish rhetoric (ie, “I don’t like either side!” OK, but that’s not how grown-ups interact with geopolitics) the ugly truth is that we, white gentiles, are not going to stand up to Jews. We just aren’t. I’m not dispensing black pills, I’m being a non-retard. The evidence for this is very clear. As such, siding firmly and publicly alongside the Palestinians is not an act of falling for noble savage myths. It is simply a cold, sober acceptance of our choices for the future- A) If Israel wins this conflict on all fronts (hearts, minds, etc) it will be a thousand years of Zionism. The memory of your- our- extinct people will be that of vile, usurious, hateful, imperialistic cowards. Or option B- we cheer on what is ultimately an irrelevant tribe of “others” with whom we share a mutual enemy.
this is to say nothing of the Counter Currents takes, which is just theorycell silliness born out of homosexual fear of Muslims. It’s not worth addressing.
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@Justsomeguy115
2 days ago
Double whammy!

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@Chabbor
2 days ago
I’d rather have Jews in my country than Muslims. Sure Jews sometimes facilitate Muslims coming in (F Visigoths) but they’re not the metastatic cancer that Muslims are, they’re more of a brain tumour that may stop being benign at any point.

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@Justsomeguy115
2 days ago
Thats like blaming the lungs for getting cancer when youve been smoking for 50 years. It doesnt make any logical sense.

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@Chabbor
2 days ago
Both are cancer but one is metastatic as in it spreads over the whole body and the other is a at times benign singular tumour that could go cancerous at any point.
It makes perfect sense when you think about population sizes.

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purebloodheretic
2 days ago
You can’t see the metastasized cancer the Jews produce already??

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@Chabbor
2 days ago
I’m talking in the abstract, not the current day situation.

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purebloodheretic
2 days ago
I don’t think you can really separate the abrahamic religions, it’s one psyop orchestrated by the Jews at the top and the Christian side being their mindless soldiers and the Muslims serving as shock troops for ZOG, all of whom constantly fight each other for their endless wars, it’s all cancerous that will metastasize no matter what.

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@Goodkunt
2 days ago
Muslims are only in your country because Jews put them there.

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@Chabbor
2 days ago
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Not true though is it? They couldn’t do anything without help.

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@Goodkunt
2 days ago
I remember being as naïve as you. However, you are here watching Woes so you’re on the right track. You will eventually figure it out for yourself.

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@Chabbor
2 days ago
I’m not remotely naive I just have a comprehensive understanding of history rather than just looking for the evil Jew behind everything like a schizo.

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@Goodkunt
2 days ago
I’m not looking for the evil Jew, it is just a fact that almost all evil globalists are Jews.

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@Chabbor
2 days ago
Even if that was a fact it would have nothing to do with Jews in the abstract, that would just be the current situation.
You can seperate ideologies from the current situation they find themselves by looking at world history.

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@Goodkunt
2 days ago
Sure.

@long_walk
1 day ago
I don’t see it as J vs M. They’re both unwelcome

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Woes, I think you just gotta give Sargon the Expat treatment the next time he shows up.

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Joel Davis: Okay. We are live. Welcome to the debate. Greg Johnson vs. Mark Collett. Today we will be debating, well, Mark and Greg will be debating the issue of Ukraine and Russia, what perspective nationalists should take in the Anglo-sphere. Anyway, …

 

Mark Collett: I’ve just achieved victory! That’s it.

 

Joel Davis: Oh, he just disappeared. Anyway, I guess he’ll be back soon. Anyway, while we’re waiting for Greg to return, I’m just going to just lay out the rules. I already told you guys in private, but I’m just letting everyone know. We’re going to go ten minutes each way, opening statements, and then we’re going to go through, I have, like, six questions. You’ll get five minutes each. I’m going to have strict time limits. I will cut you off if, ….

 

Okay, Greg is back.

 

Yeah, I’m going to have strict time limits. I will cut you off if you can’t go over the time limit. So that will be enforced. And as well as Superchats, if people want to ask questions at the end. I don’t know if Greg and Mark will hang around, but some other friends might come on afterwards if they don’t. Anyway, and we’ll kind of break down the debates. So open invitation to the both of you to hang around afterwards. But no, it’s fine if you guys need to go.

 

Now I believe the link to the Superchat is in the description, Entropy Stream. There’s a link in the description if you want to send one in. So anyway, so let’s get into it. So, Greg, you wanted to go first, so I’ll start your timer now.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay. I want to thank you, Joel, for hosting and moderating, and also, Mark, for joining me in what I want to build as a civil airing of differences on the Ukraine war.

 

The first question we need to ask is, why are White nationalists commenting on this war in the first place? I am under no illusions that my opinions on this war, one way or another, will have any effect whatsoever on the outcomes.

 

So why talk about it at all? Because even if my commentary will have no short term effect on the war, I’m playing a much longer game. I’m an advocate for White nationalism. As I define it, white nationalism is a species of ethno-nationalism, the view that the best world order consists of sovereign states for all peoples who aspire to them. Ethno-nationalism is the best global order for two principal reasons. First, it respects the differences between peoples and races and secures their own spaces in which they can live according to their own identities and develop as they will.

 

Second, multiracial, multicultural, empires are cauldrons of ethnic strife and hatred and the erasure of identity. By separating warring tribes into their own homelands, ethno-nationalism promotes peace.

 

Now, ethno-nationalism is opposed to imperialism in all it’s forms. Imperialism is a form of multiculturalism in which different peoples are subject to a single political order which again encourages hatred, conflicts, and cultural destruction. So ethno-nationalists, however, do not oppose trade and co-operation and amity between sovereign states, including the creation of things like Customs Unions to facilitate commerce, or defensive pacts against aggression.

 

Now, the main reason I comment on the Ukraine war is to show the relevance of White ethnonationalist ideas. Russia is the world’s largest land empire, and it used to be much larger, embracing Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, the Caucasus, the Central Asian Stans. And after the Second World War, it ruled the Warsaw Pact nations as well. Now, after the collapse of Communism, these nations gained their independence.

 

Now, post communist Russia is an obscenely rapacious oligarchy, ruled largely by former Communists, including state security spooks like Vladimir Putin. They tyrannize over a profoundly degraded populace with astonishingly high rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, divorce, abortion, HIV infection, and domestic violence. Imagine an America where, outside of New York and Los Angeles, everything else consists of West Virginia, and Indian reservations, and you get a sense of what the Russian Federation today is like.

 

Now, Russia’s ruling elite openly mourns the collapse of the Soviet empire and dreams of putting it back together. Russia fought two bloody wars against the Chechens to prevent them from gaining their independence. Russia uses ethnic Russian minorities in neighboring states as fifth columnists and pretexts for interventions. They have fomented riots in the Baltic states. They have fomented secessionist and irritantist wars in the Caucasus, Moldova, and Ukraine. About the only former imperial possession Russia has not meddled in is Belarus, which is a wholly subservient satellite state.

 

Now, after the collapse of Communism, Ukraine had a referendum on independence. Every single region voted for independence from Moscow. In 1994, Russia and the United States were parties to the Budapest Accord, which recognized Ukraine’s 1991 borders in exchange for nuclear disarmament. Despite this, Russia has worked for decades to turn Ukraine into a Belarus-style satellite.

 

Ukraine overwhelmingly favored pursuing EU membership. In 2013, Russia tried to prevent this with economic sanctions. Then Putin basically just bought Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, who abruptly reversed course on EU membership, which sparked the Maidan Revolution, which I call a glorious outburst of Ukrainian nationalism and Russian slander as an American intelligence operation.

 

Meanwhile, Russia launched it’s own military and intelligence ops in Ukraine, seizing control of Crimea and fomenting separatist movements in the Donbass. Now, eight years later, Russia has invaded Ukraine with the express aim of regime change and de-Nazification. Ukraine, Russians claim, is a:

 

“Fake country. Ukrainians think they are different people, but this is false consciousness, and they have to be educated out of this by destroying their language and their national identity.”

 

This is a war of imperial conquest, pure and simple! And it’s Frank aim can be defined as cultural genocide. The pretexts about the Donbass and NATO encroachment are transparently cynical, and they’re not to be taken seriously. If you believe that distinct peoples deserve their own homelands. If you believe that wars of conquest and cultural genocide are evil things, then of course you should sympathize with Ukraine over Russia.

 

But again, our sympathies are not going to change this war one way or the other. The only reason I comment on this war is to uphold the correct ethno-nationalist principles and show their relevance. Because I hope that in the very long run, if we can get enough people of vision and goodwill on our side, ethno-nationalism might create a better world, free from the horrors of things like the Ukraine war.

 

But I do, however, want to end this opening statement by making one brief nod to real politique, but specifically only with regard to the White nationalist movement itself. Because within the movement, I think that my commentary does have the ability to change things. In my view, Vladimir Putin is very, very bad for White nationalism in Russia, in Ukraine, and in the West.

 

After taking power, Putin closed the Soviet archives to revisionist researchers. He criminalized historical revisionism. He passed sweeping anti-hate legislation, which was used to target not just outright National Socialists, but milk toast immigration reformers. Putin also set up a fake nationalist movement, which combines the usual raft of conservative cultural values with Russian imperialism, which is a multicultural ideology opposed in principle to all forms of ethnic nationalism.

 

Putin’s fake Russian nationalist movement has aggressively courted nationalists in the West. I remember in 2014, when Lanard Saban, one of Dugin’s followers, submitted an article on, quote unquote, “Donbas ethnonationalism” to Counter Currents. I was offended. Did he really think I was that stupid?

 

I also remember a conversation with a Eurasianist who said that suitcases full of Russian and Iranian cash could be conjured up if one gave platforms for their propaganda. I was pretty sure he was delusional. And beyond that, you can’t get to an ethno-nationalist world if you’re suddenly willing to shill for Russian imperialism and anti-nationalism. Today, our movement’s only advantages are the truth and the credibility one wins by speaking it. And compromising one’s principles and credibility for what exactly, is simply self defeating.

 

But given the behavior of some nationalists in the US and Europe, I suspect they were taken in. Now that’s a battle that I can fight and win. Which is why Counter-Currents have taken a leading role in combating, frankly, the Russian subversion of the White nationalist movement since 2014. We published a number of articles on White nationalist delusions about Russia, for instance, which have been quite popular.

 

So I just want to end by saying this as a White nationalist, my worst nightmare would be a Donald Trump dictatorship. Why? Because Trump is committed to a multicultural, multi racial, civic nationalist, vision of America. Given that even if he built a wall, the White race in America would be relentlessly eroded by differential fertility, miscegenation, and legal immigration.

 

And under a Trump dictatorship, there would be no way to change it. Trump would turn countless potential Right-wing dissidents into plan trusters. Who would embrace and make excuses for White genocide as long as Trump appealed to their conservative values and authoritarian personalities.

 

Imagine the fate of Kevin McDonald under the dictatorship of the man who pardoned Jonathan Pollard?

 

Joel Davis: Time.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay. Imagine the fate of Jared Taylor under the dictatorship of the man who gave us a platinum plan. That nightmare is reality under Putin’s dictatorship today, and that is the nightmare he’s going to bring to Ukraine. And I say “hell no!” to that.

 

[12:07]

 

Joel Davis: Okay. So Mark, your opening statement.

 

Mark Collett: The greatest threat to the existence of people of European descent is judeo-American, Western, liberal, democracy! Every White nation that falls under the influence of the American State is subject to three attacks. The first of these attacks targets the ethnic integrity of the people of that nation, and is carried out by means of unchecked mass immigration and state enforced multiculturalism.

 

The second of these attacks is aimed at destroying the moral fabric of the people of that nation and comes in the form of the aggressive promotion of the LGBT agenda, an attack on traditionalism, the undermining of family values, and the mocking and tearing down of Christianity.

 

The third of these attacks is to limit the rights of the people of the nation that is under attack. This is done to limit the ability of those people to resist and organize against attack number one and attack number two. These attacks on Western nations have been going on since the end of the Second World War and have only intensified since the fall of the Berlin War. However, when the Berlin War stood, the general consensus was that Russia and the Soviet Union were the bad guys and America and NATO were the good guys.

 

However, those that believed this very simple and highly propagandized assessment of that geopolitical divide could not have been more wrong. Communism was, of course, a brutal and destructive force for people of European descent, and Communism subjugated the people under it’s influence, bringing immense suffering and death to European nations. But it did so visibly and openly.

 

Once the Iron Curtain fell, those nations that had survived for decades under communist tyranny emerged ethnically and morally intact and ready to embrace something better, nationalism. During the Cold War those European nations that lay on the Western side of the Iron Curtain willingly embrace the American State as a friend, and happily took on the judeo-American Western liberal values that the American State offered; the gifts of sexual liberation. Free love. Pornography. Mass immigration. Diversity. Tolerance. And of course the mantra of “do what makes you feel good”, were nothing more than a series of poisoned chalices that slowly destroyed the people of each nation that drank from them.

 

Whilst communism collapsed, and those in the East were happy to throw off the shackles of their communist oppressors and turn to something better; family, folk and faith. Those in the West simply begged for more of the poison that the American State fed to them, dancing and carvorting with insane grins on their faces, as their nations crumbled around them, and their folk were bred out of existence, thanks to the values instilled in them by their greatest ally!

 

And since the collapse of communism and the fall of the Berlin Wall, the flow of the poison that has been corrupting and destroying Western nations has only increased. In fact, since the 1990s, the madness that has been afflicting White people has increased exponentially, both in terms of its volume, and the level of its toxicity.

 

This is in large part because the judeo-American state and NATO have not had a serious global counterbalance for over three decades. However, this is changing.

 

On the 30th of September, Vladimir Putin made the most important speech that any world leader has made since the end of the Second World War. In this speech, he attacked replacement migration, he defended the traditional family, he pushed back against the LGBT agenda. He stood up for Christianity. He rebuked Western nations for their anti-free speech laws. He spoke out against the unjustified wars in the Middle East that Western nations have fought on behalf of Israel.

 

He talked of American war crimes in Japan and Germany at the end of the Second World War. And most importantly, he labeled Western elites as a “satanic cabal”! And proclaimed that they openly oppress not only people of other nations, but also their own people. The speech is as strong, as well delivered, and as poignant as any speech I have heard from any nationalist leader, elected, or otherwise.

 

But this speech was not made by some rabble rouser in the back room of a pub. It was not made by a pseudo intellectual on YouTube. It was not made by an MEP, or an MP, of a civic nationalist party in Europe. It was made by the leader of a world superpower and a man who leads a country that is an integral part of a bloc of nations that represents the largest counterbalance to judeo-American, Western, liberal, democracy that we have seen since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

 

But unlike the Soviet Union, this new counterbalance to judeo-American, Western, liberal, democracy, is using terminology that would be more in line with that used by nationalist powers pre-World War II. This is why the American State Department and America’s vassal states in Europe are so desperate to see regime change in Russia.

 

And make no mistake, the conflict in the Ukraine is all about regime change. Whether that regime change comes from ludicrous sanctions, which are likely to kill more Europeans this winter than Russians, or whether that regime change comes from an ever bloodier conflict in eastern Ukraine, the American State does not care! And the European lives that will be lost are merely collateral damage to those who control America.

 

America has used NATO to repeatedly poke the bear. NATO has aggressively expanded into Eastern Europe, despite repeated reassurances to Russia that it would not do. So now NATO and America seek to place weapons on Russia’s borders, almost mirroring the Cuban Missile Crisis that took place in 1962.

 

This provocation alone would be enough to anger Russia, but it is not the only provocation that the American State has engaged in. From the CIA backed colour revolution in 2014, to the wholesale slaughter of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. America has put in place a new Ukrainian establishment, and has encouraged and allowed that establishment to stoke the fires of war giving Russia very little choice but to draw a line in the sand, and then defend that line. And that is a crucial point.

 

The Special Operation in eastern Ukraine is not an imperial war waged by a resurgent USSR, as NATO and the Western media would like to claim. And any nationalist claiming such things should be ashamed of themselves! It is in fact America and Britain’s imperialistic foreign wars and interventions that have left millions of people dead in Europe, and the Middle East, over the last 30 years. It is not Russian foreign policy to invade, bomb, and destabilize nations have on behalf of Israel, or to launch military operations to bring about social change and usher in “progressive” politics.

 

In fact, in recent memory, it was Russia that saved Serbia from NATO’s bombs. It was Russia that destroyed the American backed ISIS militants in Syria, and saved the Christian minority that was protected under that secular Syrian government. It is the American State that has terrorized the world since the fall of the Berlin Wall! Not Russia! And make no mistake this war too was started by America and it’s puppet government, the Ukrainian establishment.

 

But that Ukrainian establishment the one that I just mentioned well it’s not actually Ukrainian! It is the most Jewish government in Europe. The four men in charge of the Ukraine are Zelenskyy the President, Shmyhal the Prime Minister, Reznikov the Defense Minister and Yermak the Chief of Staff. All of them are Jewish! Which is something mirrored within the American State Department, where the three people in charge of America’s vehemently anti-Russian agenda are, you guessed, it all jewish! Anthony Blinken, Wendy Shermanc and Victoria Nuland. And sadly they’re are nationalists supporting these people and their war! A war that is killing tens of thousands of White men!

 

And if America and it’s Jewish puppet government in the Ukraine succeed, if the Ukrainian forces emerge victorious, what brave new world would they usher in for the Ukrainian people? Pride parades in the streets? Transgender lessons in school? Drag Queen Story Hour in local libraries? Gay adoption? Hundreds of thousands of African migrants per year flooding into the Ukraine, to let judeo-American, western, liberal, Democratic, values win in the Ukraine is to destroy the Ukrainian people! Not by conventional means of warfare, but by a slow mental and moral poisoning! The same poisoning that has destroyed Britain, America, and other western nations.

 

Vladimir Putin may not be perfect, and indeed he is not an ethno-nationalist. However, he did not start this war, nor is he the one pumping LGBT propaganda into our schools, or endorsing swamping levels of mass immigration into the West. In fact, he presents a powerful counterbalance against those who do such things in Western nations.

 

And if Russia was to fall, that would place all the power in the hands of the American State. And we know what that would lead to. I do not want to see any more bloodshed in the Ukraine. But I am not going to stand behind the judeo-American State! Nor am I going to stand behind the most Jewish regime in Europe.

 

I believe in self-determination for all European people, including those in the Ukraine. But that self-determination does not come from allying with America. And if history has taught us anything, it is that falling under American influence is the most dangerous thing a European nation can do.

 

But I’ll leave you with a quote. As Henry Kissinger summed it up best:

 

“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal!”

 

Joel Davis: Okay, so I’m going to go start with the questions, so that we can kind of move this along. So, first question is, to both of you, and obviously, Greg, you can go first. Was Russia justified in invading Ukraine, yes or no? And why? And secondarily, what responsibility does NATO have in creating the Ukraine crisis?

 

Greg Johnson: No. Russia’s invasion is not justified. It’s pure imperialism. I would say naked imperialism were it not for the tiny fig leaf of the “genocide”, as they call it, in Donbass, and NATO encroachment. I do think the US was stringing along Zelenskyy with the possibility of NATO membership to bait Putin into this war. I think the US had a very clear idea of how corrupt and weak the Putin regime and the Russian military proved to be. I think they believe that a defeat for Putin could bring about regime change. I think Putin was a fool to start this war, but baited or not, he was the one who started it.

 

And although NATO has on a deeper level, though, I don’t think NATO has any real responsibility for this war for this simple reason. The Ukraine joining NATO was a disposable pretext. If NATO had given Zelenskyy a hard no, Putin would have invented another pretext because I think he was hellbent on seizing Ukraine, and thought it would be easy. There’s a lot of disinformation about NATO out there. NATO made no promises to Gorbachev, not to expand East.

 

They did promise not to put nukes in East Germany, a promise they kept. NATO expanded to the east because the countries there had legitimate security concerns, visa vis, Russia. Unlike the Russian Empire or the Soviet bloc, NATO did not expand by conquest. NATO was a defensive alliance that countries asked to join. Nor did NATO rebuff Russia. Putin asked why Russia was not invited into NATO. Then he was told that countries apply to join, and the members vote on it. Putin said that Russia would not wait in line behind insignificant countries, and that was the end of it.

 

Putin’s attitude, of course, is pure Russian Chauvinism. Under international law, all sovereign states are equal, hence equal treatment by NATO. Putin, however, thinks that you’re only a sovereign as you are powerful. He doesn’t fundamentally respect the sovereignty of smaller, weaker nations, which is why Russia’s former satellites wanted into NATO in the first place.

 

Nor does NATO threaten Russia. NATO is a defensive alliance. It would not go to war with Russia unless Russia attacked one of its members.

 

Beyond that, Russia has an enormous nuclear deterrent. Nobody is going to start a war with Russia because of that. The idea that Russia cannot live behind it’s 2013 borders is nutty! Yet we’re told that this is an existential conflict. But the only thing existentially threatened by staying within it’s borders is Russia’s imperialist mentality.

 

NATO was built to contain Soviet imperialism. When the USSR was dissolved, it looked like NATO was obsolete. But that impression turns out to have been wrong. Russia’s post-communist regime mourned the loss of their empire, and immediately set to work subverting the newly independent nations. Which is why 15 of them applied to join NATO..

 

The only reason Ukraine was invaded is because it was not in NATO and did not enjoy it’s protection. This is why Sweden and Finland have now joined NATO. And Armenia and Georgia should probably join as well. Putin’s war has strengthened NATO enormously, which was a totally predictable consequence that he apparently didn’t take into account.

 

So I think that, no, this is not justified! And NATO is not responsible for this. It’s all on Putin!

 

Joel Davis: Okay, so, Mark, just to reset the question, or do you remember?

 

Mark Collett: No, can you restate it?

 

Joel Davis: I’ll restate it. So, first of all, was Russia justified in invading? And second of all, what responsibility does NATO have, in your estimation, for the crisis?

 

Mark Collett: How long do I have?

 

Joel Davis: Five minutes.

 

Mark Collett: Russia was absolutely justified. You see, Greg keeps talking about the idea of ethno-states, but he’s being very disingenuous here. And I want to say something else. I feel it’s rather disingenuous of Greg to imply that certain people on the Right are paid by the Kremlin, which certainly Counter-Current writers have done. I think that’s very unfair, and I think that’s unjust to start saying things like that.

 

The fact is, the Ukraine as a nation didn’t exist till 1918. And since it’s existence, or since it came into existence, it’s borders have been redrawn numerous times, and numerous different ethnic groups live there. There are ethnic Russians. Part of Poland was absorbed into the Ukraine. It’s very much a nation that would be analogous with somewhere like the former Yugoslavia.

 

As such, the different people who live in the Ukraine, and the numerous redrawing of its borders, means that those people also have their ethnic determination. And there are many ethnic Russians, many Russian speakers, and many people within the Ukrainian sphere, such as in the Crimea, which is now part of Russia, but were always Russia. That have been Russian for centuries!

 

Now, in 2019, when Zelensky was elected, he was actually elected on a platform of peace with Moscow, closer ties with Russia. And he was elected on a platform that looked as if peace was going to be the route that he would take. He did not then pursue peace. He did the absolute opposite of that. He dismantled parts of the media that were pro-Russian. He banned different political movements that were pro-Russia, and he ran in the very opposite direction, to the direction voters voted for him to go in this was a Fed op! This was an American State op! Just like the 2014 revolution, the Maidan revolution. People say:

 

“Well, that was an expression of the Ukrainian people.”

 

If that was an expression of the Ukrainian people, it is very interesting how Jewish the Ukrainian establishment has turned out to be, because that is not representative of either the Ukrainians in the Ukraine or the ethnic Cossacks, the Tartars, or the ethnic Russians who live on the Eastern border.

 

Now, the fact is, what we are seeing here in terms of NATO trying to move into the Ukraine, weapons being placed in the Ukraine, is analogous to the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Greg said, :

 

“Well, no one would ever start a hot war with Russia because Russia has nuclear missiles.”

 

How did America react when nuclear missiles, or Russian weapons were placed on America’s borders? They issued an ultimatum. But the USSR were good enough to back down and remove their weapons. America has not done the same because the Jewish American State Department wanted to provoke this conflict!

 

That’s why Minsk, and Minsk II were both violated, with thousands of ethnic Russians being slaughtered by people larping as National Socialists, under the Azov banner. And again, this shows just how strange the American State Department is. It will use people larping as National Socialists, if they get the job done! Which is provoking Putin.

 

But even when Putin did mount this Special Operation, when he moved into eastern Ukraine, he only moved in with 190,000 troops. It was not a war of an extermination. It was nothing like the American war in Iraq, or Afghanistan. In fact, very little damage has been done outside of the Eastern parts of the Ukraine.

 

Putin has made it clear he is actually giving self-determination and protection to ethnic Russians. And he has been goaded time and time again by the American State Department, the CIA, and groups that want to bring about regime change in Russia. And the reason they want to bring about regime change in Russia, is because they do not want any strong counterbalance to judeo-American, Western, liberal, democracy. But without that counterbalance, everybody in the West is more at risk from an America that has no rivals.

 

[31:18]

 

Joel Davis: OK. Thanks, Mark. So I wanted to stay with NATO for the second question, but this question, let’s move away from Ukraine and discuss NATO in general.

 

What attitudes should nationalists in the Anglo-sphere have towards NATO? And is NATO an anti-White political force? Again, Greg, jump in here. You got five minutes.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, let’s not limit this to the Anglo-sphere. I’m a White nationalist. I believe in White solidarity. When a White nation is attacked by a multiracial empire, I believe in coming to its defense. I think it’s immoral to argue that we should be indifferent to the fate of other White nations because somehow we believe the destruction of Ukraine would make it easier for us to fix our own governments at home. Even if that were true, it’s at best, petty nationalism. It’s not White nationalism. It’s not what I stand for.

 

Now, if you believe in White solidarity, then you should also want organizations in place to defend White nations from aggressors. And NATO happens to be performing that role right now, so I’m happy with that.

 

Is NATO an anti-White geopolitical force as such? Well, when NATO was founded, most of its signatories were deeply racist nations. It was founded in 1949. The United States had an immigration policy committed to maintaining a White supermajority. It had segregation in the South. It was a white supremacist society.

 

Germany based it’s citizenship on German blood. NATO wasn’t the thing that changed all of these things. Those changes moved through different channels, entirely.

 

My friend James A argued recently in a piece, that I reprinted at Counter-Currents, that NATO hasn’t wrecked Poland. And not being in NATO has not saved Ireland.

 

So to say that NATO is anti-White as such, I think, is simply false. It was a defensive alliance to contain Soviet imperialism. And it admirably performed that role. And it is now relevant again because Russia is an aggressive imperialist power. And so I think it’s doing good work.

 

And since every nation within NATO is primarily White, there are majority White nations. They’re all White homelands. I think NATO is an objectively pro-White institution right now, and I support it just to that extent. I do think, however, that it can be improved upon, and we’ll deal with that in future questions. But that’s a short answer.

 

Joel Davis: Okay, Mark.

 

Mark Collett: Greg keeps using the term “imperialist power”. There is no greater imperialist power in the world than the judeo-American State! Which operates on the basis of absolute blitzkrieg and total destruction when it attacks any nation. So I’m not sure why Greg is shilling so much for the American State and NATO, but then saying:

 

“Oh Russia is this great imperial power!”

 

When in fact the state that he’s shilling for is far more of an imperialistic threat. Britain and America have done far more damage to nations post the end of the Soviet bloc, than Russia has.

 

And for Greg to then start claiming that NATO is some pro-White organization, is to assume it’s member states are pro-White, which they are not. The majority of NATO member states are vassal states of America that stand for multiculturalism, unchecked mass immigration, and all the LGBT poison, you could imagine, and probably some that you couldn’t imagine.

 

What’s more, if you remember, NATO’s last conflict in Europe was in fact, the bombing of Serbia. NATO brutally attacked White Serbs for defending themselves against Islamic aggression in Kosovo. But Greg, forgets that! I pointed that out in my opening salvo, where I stated that it was Russia who rolled into Serbia to defend White Serbs. NATO was happy to drop British and American bombs on white Serbian families who were trying to save part of their country from an aggressive Muslim breakaway state, that were targeting Serbian families and Serbian children. And when the Serbs rose up and said:

 

“We’ve had enough of this, we’re not putting up with this anymore, this is Serbia!”

 

It was NATO that bombed White people for standing up for themselves. And then it was Russia that came to the rescue of those White people.

 

So you can larp all you want claiming that NATO is some great, almost nationalist bloc of pro-White nations standing up for some kind of great pro-White alliance, but is it anything but! And I will tell you this now was any nation to try to forcibly remove large numbers of aggressive migrants, it would be NATO that would impose sanctions and potentially start bombing those White nations, just as they did with Serbia.

 

Joel Davis: Okay. Thanks, Mark. So the next question is on the Russian Federation, and it’s similar to the NATO question. Is the Russian Federation anti-White? Obviously, the Russian Federation has official policies that seem to endorse multiculturalism and so on. That’s a hot button issue.

 

And also, is the Russian Federation therefore an anti-White force in the world? Is it a threat to pro-White politics in Eastern Europe? How do you perceive that? Again, Greg, you can jump in first, obviously.

 

Greg Johnson: I will grant that the Serbia thing was NATO’s worst hour. NATO has also been involved in other sorts of regime change type operations. For instance, in Libya, which fall outside of its remit, by the way, but it’s officially, on paper, a defensive alliance. And all of the member nations are majority White nations. And therefore, even if these majority White nations have anti-White governments, and most of them do, certainly the Western ones do, if these nations were attacked, the other nations would have to come to their aid.

 

And therefore, even though it would be, of course not the intention of Macron or somebody like that, or Boris Johnson, or whoever is running the UK now, Liz Truss to help White people, they would definitely be constrained to help White people. It would be the de facto prescribed course given the NATO charter.

 

Now, as for the Russian Federation, let me just say this. Is the Russian Federation anti-White? Yes, absolutely! It’s anti-White. In the same ways that we find our regime’s anti-White. Russia is a multiracial empire in which the White majority has below replacement fertility, and the only growing populations are Chechens and Tubans. Now, Russia also has large numbers of non-White immigrants from the “Stans” who are more fertile than Russians. Millions of them have come in.

 

For instance, I think it was in 2019, in the first part of 2019, two and a half million of these people alone came in from the Stans. Central Asian countries that are not white. Now, as White nationalists, we all know what those trends mean in our own countries, and they mean the same thing in Russia. Unless these trends change, in a couple of centuries, the average Russian will be a Muslim, with significant Mongoloid DNA..

 

And the only way to preserve the Russian people is to do something like a Russian ethno-state, where they have control of their own borders, and where they have pro-natal pro-family policies, which the Russian state does not have. They have the highest abortion rate in the world. I think they’ve got the highest divorce rate in the world, and they have miserably below replacement fertility for the White majority, and the Russian ethnic core.

 

Now, in the West, we’re more or less free to advocate for ethno-nationalism. Yes, we are inconvenienced by having our channels demonetised and losing platforms. I have been arrested under false pretenses, and things like that. But that being the case, here I am, I’m still advocating for White nationalism. I can even advocate for Russian ethno-nationalism. But in Russia, that would get me Gulagged as an advocate of caveman nationalism!

 

Russia is an authoritarian society with an aggressively pro-multicultural, anti-nationalist propaganda in place. And short of revolution, there’s no way of changing that.

 

I talked earlier about my worst nightmare being a Trump dictatorship. Well, the Putin dictatorship would be like a Trump dictatorship. It is exactly the same thing. It basically turns countless potential Right-wing dissidents into plan trustors who are going to embrace and make excuses for a regime that is committed to long term white genocide, as long as that regime appeals to their conservative values and their authoritarian personalities. That is death for ethnonationalism in Russia! And it would be death for ethno-nationalism in the United States, and Australia, and the UK, as well. So I do not look favorably upon this regime.

 

Francis Parker Yockey described the USSR as the leader of the outer revolt, the revolt of the non-White world against the White world. And Putin’s recent speech that Mark was citing is direct from the Soviet anti-White anti-colonial playbook. And Michael Tracy said it best. He said:

 

“Who wrote this? Noam Chomsky?”

 

I do not think that Russia is a pro-White country. It might not be as stridently anti-White as some countries in the West. But the way their system is set up and the fact that their system does not allow the kinds of freedom of speech and political organizing by ethnonationalists, that I think is necessary to preserve our race, means that in the long term the results are going to be just as dire as the trends that are in place in America, and the UK, and Australia today.

 

So, yes, it’s objectively anti-White. And it’s worse than the anti-White system that we have in the West, because short of revolution, there’s no way of changing it, because it’s an authoritarian, illiberal, dictatorial, regime!

 

Joel Davis: Okay, Mark, your response.

 

[43:04]

 

Mark Collett: Greg is completely wrong on this. Russia is the largest country in the world. It’s the largest landmass that is also a country. When you’re dealing with a landmass of that size, you are going to get a natural state of multiculturalism, where there are more than one different ethnic groups living in that landmass.

 

Now, I’ll give you an example of natural multiculturalism. The British Isles is a state of natural multiculturalism, as there are the English, the Irish, the Scottish, and the Welsh. Now, they all happen to be White, but they are all different ethnic groups. They are all slightly different. When you look at them, you can see an Irishman, an Englishman apart. They have their own languages, their own culture, their own ways of life, their own traditions. They are not the same!

 

So that would be a natural state of multiculturalism for those different White tribes to live within the same area. Now the British Isles is tiny. Russia is massive. You are going to get different ethnic groups living in any landmass of that size. And indeed you do in Russia. You have White Russians, you have Chechens, you have Tatars. You have Cossacks. You have the people from Dagestan.

 

But where Greg is misleading you is if you look at the Russian census data from 1926, then you look at the Russian census data right up to the last census in 2010, you will see the number of ethnic Russians has remained relatively stable at around 78% to 80% of the population. There has been, since 1926, no great decline in the number of White Russians living in Russia.

 

However, in Britain, if you looked at the census data in Britain in 1926, you’d find out it was about 99.98% White British. Now it’s around 80%! The drop off you are seeing in Western nations, or the replacement rate you are seeing in Western nations, is far greater than you see in Russia. In Britain, White Britain’s, at best, are going to be a minority by 2066, probably much earlier. In America, a nation founded exclusively by White Europeans. White Europeans in America are going to be a minority far sooner than White Britons. And as I said, white Russians at a stable rate.

 

Now, Greg then goes on to say how oppressive Russia is. Well, yes, Russia has put certain nationalist groups behind bars. Those are usually violent street gangs, run by people who, and this is no exaggeration, have made videos of themselves killing ethnic groups that naturally reside in Russia, but aren’t White, or actually capturing, torturing and murdering gay men. Now, obviously, the Russian establishment is going to jail gangs that do things like that. The Russian establishment is going to jail gangs that do things like that. Now, I would say any nation would do that.

 

Even Nazi Germany jailed people like Amon Goeth from, the subject of the film Schindler’s List. They make out that the Nazi regime actually loved him. They didn’t. They jailed him. They stripped him of all his power and placed him in jail for his brutality. No regime would tolerate people doing things like that.

 

But it’s far worse in the West. And I’ll give you examples. In Britain, nobody is jailed in Russia for misgendering people. Here in the UK, doors are kicked in at 03:00 a.m in the morning! Women are dragged out of their homes in front of their children for tweeting to a man, that he is in fact a man.

 

Young lads get dragged off to jail for two years in Britain for buying the wrong book! These books are available on Amazon. Do not buy these books. I’m not telling you to buy these books. You certainly shouldn’t. But young lads who have bought books available on Amazon, the state have jailed them for that.

 

And the same is true in America. Just last week we saw a Christian pastor and his family brutalized by the FBI for simply protesting against abortion. There are countless patriots who merely went into a building on January 6 that are looking at Federal charges. To claim the Russian state is more oppressive of people espousing commonsense values is so laughable, I can’t believe you even made that point.

 

And also, to claim that replacement migration is happening at the same level in Russia, as it is in the West, is nonsense. And what I’m saying is backed up by actual census data.

 

[48:00]

 

Joel Davis: Okay, so the next question is going to be on there seems to be like a dichotomy here for nationalists. On the one hand, nationalists, it would make sense why, on the face of it, why they would maybe have sympathy to Ukraine’s right to national sovereignty, to self-determination. But then on the other hand, there are a lot of nationalist concerns with US, NATO, power projection in Europe and the suppression of European nationalism in general by this arrangement.

 

So basically, which concern trumps the other?

 

Greg Johnson: Do you want me to go first?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, of course.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay, well, just a couple of things in response to Mark before I go into this, and I’ll be brief. I don’t think that we can base anything on Soviet censuses. A lot of things happened between 1926 and the end of the Soviet Union, like famines, and the Second World War, and things like that. I don’t know if you can really trust the stats.

 

The other thing is that to say that the percentage of the population is the same today as it was in 1926, does not address the fact that differential fertility exists, that there are certain trends that are baked in. And then unless those trends are reversed, the Russian population will decline, and be replaced by other people, because they breed more, and they’re also emigrating into Russia from other countries.

 

And also, I did not say you said that I said that replacement migration was on the same level. I certainly didn’t say that. But if there is any replacement immigration at all, eventually the same demographic consequences will pertain unless something is done about it.

 

So we all recognize these problems in our own countries, and we should recognize them in Russia. However, if you’re a Russian patriot and not just a skinhead, not somebody who’s going to be beating people up, but milk-toast immigration reformers, you will be Gulagged for pointing these things out!

 

We somehow are still broadcasting. We are not Gulagged, even though we are horrible thought criminals. So yes, we have more freedom to advocate for the salvation of our race than comparable people do in Russia. Which is why so many Russians with nationalist sympathies have fled to Ukraine.

 

Now, your question was, as you formulated, does Ukraine’s right to national sovereignty necessarily trump nationalist concerns with US, NATO, power protection? I guess my question is whose nationalist concerns are you talking about? Are you talking about geopolitics here? Because when I hear that word, I reach for my pistol! Because I sense I’m about to be sold an argument that I can somehow advance White nationalism by giving verbal assent on the Internet to something blatantly, immoral, anti-White and anti-national. And I just don’t like that. I don’t do that.

 

I would say yes, Ukraine’s national sovereignty trump’s geopolitical concerns with US power, purely on principle, because the only geopolitics I want is a world of sovereign states. And that means if you want to get to a world of sovereign states, you defend the sovereign states that you’ve got today. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, it is the only homeland of the Ukrainian people, and they want to keep it. And I certainly understand why they want to keep it.

 

But if you don’t care about a principled argument like that, if you think that’s thinking too far into the future and so forth, let’s just be cold and Machiavellian. The answer is still yes. Ukraine’s independence is very important because Ukraine is a very special country. Why is it a special country? Because White ethno-nationalism is very strong there. It’s very large, it’s very well organized. There are some incredibly impressive Ukrainian nationalist parties and groups.

 

Ukraine could be the first country in Europe to have a genuine ethno-nationist regime someday. If Ukraine became part of NATO and the EU, it would be a natural ally of nations like Poland and Hungary against the worst influences of the West. It would be a natural ally of sensible people in NATO countries like the United Kingdom and the United States. And I would like those allies. I would certainly like to have Ukraine as an ally of western nationalists, rather than be defeated and quote, unquote, “de-Nazified” by Putin’s Antifa dictatorship.

 

Now Russia’s apologists love to say that if a country joins NATO or the EU it’ll be flooded with non-Whites and trannies! Ukraine they say would be doomed! Well if it’s really your position that countries like Ukraine, or Poland, or Hungary, with their large nationalist movements and stubbornly sensible populations are doomed by NATO, and the EU, what hope do western nationalists have? If Faboda [sp] and Azov and the National Corps can’t beat back Western decadence, what chance does the NJP have? And if Orban can’t beat the poz, then what chance does Patriotic Alternative have?

 

Joel Davis: Mark.

 

Mark Collett: Can you repeat the question please?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. So there’s concerns on the face of it that nationalists would have towards Ukraine’s national sovereignty but at the same time there’s also concerns nationalists have in Europe towards American geopolitical and arguably imperial influence over Europe suppressing nationalism in Europe. And so there’s like a quandary, whereas what’s the real concern here? The way Greg is selling it obviously is that okay so the Ukrainians they need to have a right to self-determination if we support their nationalism, that support is kind of morally consistent with our nationalism, whereas the counter argument which I presume you’re going to have is the opposite view. That actually no, the American power structure that this would kind of facilitate is actually a much cs.

 

Mark Collett: Quite simply. This is a very easy question to answer, actually. What’s actually happening here is the idea of an independent Ukraine is actually what Russia wants. Russia wanted the Ukraine to be a buffer state between NATO, the EU, American influence, and Russia. Russia was happy for the Ukraine to remain independent and be a buffer state.

 

Now obviously I am not going to say Russia never tried to influence any Ukrainian politicians just as it would be foolish to say America didn’t try to influence Ukrainian politicians. But it was an independent buffer state. It was neither part of the EU, nor NATO, nor the Russian Federation. The only time Ukrainian sovereignty has been threatened is when there was a CIA-backed revolution in 2014. A completely jewish establishment, and a huge move to bring the Ukraine inside NATO, and the EU.

 

Now if the Ukraine was being run by nationalists which Greg seems to suggest it’s this great nationalist country, those people would be saying:

 

“Hey! Let’s get rid of this Zelensky fellow, because he’s taking us into NATO! He’s taking us under the wing of American authority! He wants us as part of the EU!”

 

And we are already seeing the EU level fines, and withholding money, for countries like Poland, who firstly don’t take enough migrants, and secondly aren’t allowing the LGBT propaganda to be pushed as heavily within their institutions, within their schools, upon children in public places, et cetera.

 

So I do want a genuinely sovereign Ukraine! That’s why I want judeo-American power to keep it’s hands off the Ukraine, especially the Western parts of the Ukraine. Now obviously, I said earlier, that Ukraine wasn’t even a country until 1918, and it wasn’t recognized fully as a country think until 1991. And what has made up the Ukraine over time has constantly changed. So again there are multiple ethnic groups living within the Ukraine’s borders.

 

Now, those people who are Ukrainian, who are ethnically Ukrainian, I am happy for them to have their self-determination, as am I happy for those in the east, or those in Crimea, to have their self-determination. And if they were once living in part of Russia and that part of Russia was then handed to the Ukraine, in some Soviet redrawing of maps, I am happy for them to vote to go back to being part of Russia, as their ancestors were. That is only fair.

 

For example, to draw an analogy, if all of a sudden England said we want half of Scotland and the Scots living there were like:

 

“Hey! We’d rather live under Scottish rule. We’re ethnically Scottish. We want to live with our brothers and sisters.”

 

You’d have to say:

 

“Well, that is up to them.”

 

I think the best thing for the Ukrainians is self-determination. I think the best thing for the Germans is self-determination. I think the best thing for the French, the English, the Irish, Scots, and us, it’s all self-determination!

 

But there is no self-determination being practiced in Western Europe. And I can prove this very, very, simply! Look at the energy crisis in Germany, look at the energy crisis in the UK. We are facing a situation where millions, and millions, of pensioners are at risk this Christmas of freezing to death.

 

Now if there was self determination in Europe, the German government, and the British government, would be saying:

 

“Well look, we don’t really have any dog in the fight in the Ukraine. It’s really up to the Ukrainian people to choose their path in life. To choose their trajectory. But it’s our choice to choose whether we buy cheap Russian gas in order that our people don’t freeze!”

 

But there is no self-determination! Because the Ukraine, very soon, if Zelensky gets his way, just like Britain and Germany, have already gone down this path, will just become a vassal state of America.

 

And then it doesn’t matter what you want to do, or what’s best for your people. All that matters it’s what’s best for the American State Department! And what is best for the American State Department is fruitless sanctions against Russia. So yet again Germans can starve and freeze, at American hands!

 

And this is what Greg calls a:

 

“White nationalist bloc that helps White people.”

 

It doesn’t! Self-determination means breaking free, primarily, of judeo-American influence. And the Ukraine had it not begun falling under judeo-American influence would still be an independent buffer state. Which Putin would have been more than happy to observe.

 

[60:20]

 

 

Joel Davis: Okay, so the next question that I want to ask. We’ve been talking a lot about kind of the ethics of the Ukraine, Russia, dynamic and so on. But I want to talk about security. Because obviously this is kind of a there’s also that kind of dimension to this, what security architecture, ideally should exist in Europe and the West? Many argue, myself included, that there was a missed opportunity with not bringing the Russians into a Western alliance, and keeping NATO as an anti-Russian alliance, as opposed to a kind of West against the rest kind of alliance, after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

 

So what would be the ideal arrangement for the European security architecture? Because on the one hand, you can say, well, within NATO, there’s no brother wars in Europe. I mean, except for this one in particular. But other than that, Europe is united. Europe is secure, because there are 70 American nukes pointed to anyone who wants to mess with anyone in the NATO alliance. And so there’s supposedly a certain amount of security.

 

But then, on the other hand, people say, well, this has radically impacted European security because now you have the potential for a nuclear exchange between the two world superpowers, over a kind of dispute in Ukraine.

 

So what would be your kind of your critique, or whatever of that arrangement? And what would be your ideal arrangement?

 

Maybe Mark can go first and Greg can go second, I don’t know, to change the order a little bit.

 

Mark Collett: Sorry, can you just paraphrase that again then, if I’m going first?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. So I guess the way that I would put it succinctly is, what would be the ideal, in your view, western security architecture? Obviously, there’s a lot of arguments. The argument for NATO is that it produces security for the West. Right?

 

Mark Collett: The ideal architecture is self-determination. I’m an ethno-nationalist. I believe that ethnic groups should seek self-determination, and when they have self-determination, they should be free to deal with other nations as they see fit.

 

Now, I see since the, well, since Russia has been supplying Europe with gas, there has been a closer relationship between Europe and Russia, especially between Germany and Russia. And this increased closeness should be something that we Herald. This is a good thing. It should have been something that showed security. It should have been something that showed co-operation. But this relationship has been constantly undermined by America!

 

So as an ethno-nationalist, we want self-determination, but the right for individual nation states to be able to trade with one another to their mutual benefit. So we don’t want to see nations forced to impose sanctions upon other nations when it’s not good for them, or it’s not in their interest, or they simply don’t wish to do that. That is commonsense. That is ethno-nationalism, that is freedom of choice and it’s self-determination.

 

But everywhere in the world you look today, there are nations that could offer other nations things that they want. So take a look. I believe it’s Venezuela, where the price of petrol is something like two Pence a litre, which is obscenely cheap, when you’re looking that the price in the UK used to be 100 times. I think it was almost £2 a litre, a month or so ago.

 

Well, why then, isn’t the UK free to buy Venezuelan oil? Because the UK doesn’t have self-determination. It doesn’t have the ability to go to Venezuela and buy oil, because if it did, it would get slapped down by Big Daddy America, that controls everything.

 

And security largely comes not from having America pull everyone’s strings, which is what has caused so many wars, post the fall of the Berlin Wall. America has dragged, especially Britain, into these wars. It’s destabilized nations, it is invaded nations, it’s bomb nations, it’s assassinated political and military leaders. That isn’t security! That is tyranny!

 

The judeo-American State is the world tyranny!

 

World security comes from dealing with people who you want to in a free and open manner without America leaning on you and preventing you from doing that. And every time a region moves slightly further towards peace, and slightly further away from chaos, America steps in to ensure they redress that balance, and the world falls closer to chaos.

 

A great example of that is in Syria. Where America wished to destabilize Syria using ISIS militants, which would have led to the deaths of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Christians at the hands of ISIS. Russia stopped that.

 

Now, one of the reasons why I believe Russia is an important counterbalance to this judeo-American tyranny, is that recently we have seen that when America stopped Germany and Britain buying Russian gas, which puts all these White pensioners, all these White people on the poverty line at risk, India happily bought the gas.

 

Now, do you think Russia is about to invade India? No, they’re doing deals. That’s self-determination. America’s seething, but that’s what people should be allowed to do. And I think security comes from self-determination and freedom to choose, freedom to do your own deals and to cut your own path.

 

When you start moving into these large geopolitical blocks that are controlled by tiny cliques of people who almost always seem to come from the same (((ethnic group))), if, you know what I mean! That is when you get closer to war. And that is where you get situations like we have seen, post 1991, where you see America and Britain’s imperialistic tendencies always acting for the benefit of a few, to the detriment of the many.

 

Joel Davis: Okay, so, Greg, your response. Unless you need me to restate anything.

 

[67:14]

 

Greg Johnson: No, I have it written down here. Basically, the question that I saw formulated in my notes is, can or should NATO be reformed? And what would be the ideal Western security architecture? I can answer that very briefly. Before I do that, I want to mention a couple of things about self-determination. A nation does not have self-determination, if it’s neighbour can veto it’s foreign relations. A buffer state does not have self-determination.

 

Ukraine very, very clearly since 1991 has pursued closer relations with the EU. They want to be part of Europe. This is the popular view in Ukraine. It’s not been foisted upon them. Russia has tried to turn Ukraine into a dependent satellite state, like Belarus. Okay? The self-determination of the Ukrainian people would allow them to choose the EU or NATO. If they can’t choose the EU or NATO, they don’t have self-determination. Russia had tried to prevent them from entering the EU to the extent of economic sanctions in 2013..

 

Then, basically, through shocking corruption, they basically just bought Yanukovych’s about face on this. And that’s what caused the Maidan revolution. It was not a US Op! It was a popular uprising against a very cynical operation from Moscow to prevent the country from pursuing EU membership, which had been very much a consensus for more than a decade.

 

So you can’t be a sovereign nation if you’re somebody’s buffer state, or satellite. And the Ukrainians didn’t want to be like Belarus. They wanted to move closer to the West. And they obviously wanted to move closer to NATO, because, as I said, if they were members of NATO, they never would have been invaded like this. NATO would have provided them cover.

 

And I can see why it’s rational for them to want to get into NATO, and the EU, even though NATO and the EU have lots of strings, and lots of problems.

 

However, I would look upon a country like Ukraine in the same way that I look upon a country like Poland and Hungary. In the EU they are a force for good. In NATO, they are a force for good. And yes, it turns out that the EU does cut their allowance for resisting things like refugee resettlement and so forth. But that is merely a paring back of their allowance. They get billions and billions of dollars in infrastructural aid, and things like that. And then they get their allowance stocked.

 

They’re willing to deal with that in order to push back and preserve their common sense, basically. And I think that that would be great if Ukraine got involved and did the same thing. It would help push these organizations in a better direction. But it’s rational for them to want to get in even with all of the problems, because it’s a better alternative to being a Belarus-style kleptocratic satellite of Russia.

 

Now. Can NATO be reformed? Of course NATO can be reformed. There are all kinds of bad things about NATO. The worst thing is probably that NATO has encouraged the militaries and martial spirits of most of its members to atrophy. Finland and Sweden have great militaries, actually. And if they get into NATO, that could actually harm them. I hope they can resist that.

 

And also, NATO has been used by the United States to get Jewish-penned “free speech” violations adopted by new member countries.

 

For instance, I remember there was a big row about this in Romania. Romania can’t honour Antonescu, because that upsets American Jews. NATO was actually in a position, or the United States was actually in a position where they would have denied NATO entry to countries that adopted the American Bill of Rights. It’s that stupid! It’s that crazy! These are obviously bad things, but they’re hardly the apocalyptic predictions that Russian propagandists come up with. And there’s certainly nothing compared to the tyranny exercised within the Warsaw Pact and the USSR proper! Which is what these countries in the east remember. This is why 15 former Soviet nations entered NATO. They did it voluntarily. They weren’t conquered. OK?

 

Now, I think NATO would be great if every NATO member country had a pro-White leadership. It would be perfect. Same with the EU. If we suddenly had pro-White leaders in every country, those organizations could be turned around overnight, and it would be much better.

 

To make that happen that’s up to every nationalist movement in every NATO country. And of course, I think they could use some allies, sensible countries like Ukraine coming into NATO, sensible countries like Poland, and Hungary, already in NATO. That could help the UK, I think, accomplish better leadership.

 

Now, short of that, and that’s sort of a long shot, given how messed up the West is.

 

Joel Davis: Gone over five minutes, by the way.

 

[72:51]

 

Greg Johnson: Let me just say cs.

 

Joel Davis: I’ll get you to go back to back. I’ll bring in the other question.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay.

 

Joel Davis: The final question is with the risk associated with the conflict escalating, obviously, the threat of nuclear war is particularly concerning. The energy crisis griping Europe. And also the potential for the Russian Federation to collapse if Ukraine were to have a decisive victory. And that would only kind of exacerbate the risks of, I think, military escalation and so on. How is that handled?

 

I want to bring all of that in as well. What kind of policies should pro-White or nationalist forces, the Anglo-sphere and Western Europe be advocating for, in regards to both the war and Russia generally? Because we’re seeing some people on Twitter, like libtard talking heads, that are advocating for NATO to enter the war. For example, if the Russians have a decisive victory to save Ukraine. We’re seeing people advocating for the break up of the Russian Federation, and trying to impose it’s dissolution and so on.

 

I think all of this stuff is incredibly risky considering the nuclear architecture. So to bring that into the debate, I’d like to get your thoughts, Greg. Another five minutes, and then we’ll go to Mark.

 

Greg Johnson: Yes. Okay. So short of every NATO country having a nationalist government, I think more reasonably, the Central and Eastern European countries should try and create an Intermarium alliance. This is something that Counter-Currents has been promoting since 2015. It’s an old idea. It was a Polish interwar geopolitical idea of basically creating a block that would go from the Baltic to the Black Sea, following the lines of the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as a sort of cordon sanitaire against Bolshevism, to save Europe from Bolshevism.

 

Something like that makes sense in Central and Eastern Europe today because it would address these countries security concerns vis-a-vis Russia. But also make it independent of the West. I think that might be an excellent alternative to NATO, and the EU, in the long run. And something like that might happen if tensions within NATO and the EU between the sensible countries, and the crazed countries, become unbearable.

 

Southern Europe also needs some kind of agreement to seal off the continent from Africa and the Near East. So these things all need to be explored somehow.

 

As for the risks that we’re facing, well, honestly, I think economic instability can only help nationalists, so I don’t know if this is really a bad thing. I think a lot of the economic instability that we’re facing right now is actually simply caused by Covid spending, and Covid disruptions. And I think one reason that a lot of Western powers went all in on this Ukraine war, is so that they can blame the Covid recession on Putin entirely, and get off the hook.

 

But I do think economic instability is an opportunity for us, and it’s something that we shouldn’t be lamenting, perfectly honestly.

 

There is a terrible danger of nuclear escalation. I don’t know how to stop that, frankly. I guess we could stop listening to crazed libtards on Twitter. That might help. I don’t really know if I care about the Russian Federation breaking up. As an ethno-nationalist, I look at it as a prison house of nations. I don’t see why the Chechens, and the Daggerstanies and all these other people shouldn’t have their own states. I do think, though, that if it happened in a willy-nilly way, simply because of the collapse of the regime, what that would open up is the possibility of China annexing all of the east. And the idea of all the resources of Siberia joined with China’s population is profoundly chilling. I’ll start talking about geopolitics now when I contemplate something like that.

 

How to end this war? Well, I think we should give Ukraine the best weapons as quickly as possible, and allow them to continue their momentum of pushing Russians back. At a certain point, I think that the Russians will want to make a deal, because I think that this has destabilized Putin’s regime. It’s shown Russia to be a paper tiger, and it’s going to cause a great deal of instability all over the former Russian sphere.

 

We’ve already seen border wars in the Stans, a border war between Azerbaijan and Armenia. There’s a lot of instability that’s being opened up by the fact that Russia has performed so weakly! And I hope that they will want to de-escalate this.

 

What the ultimate settlement will be, I don’t know. I don’t think Ukraine is ever going to get Crimea back, but I think they should just look on the bright side and say, well, they’ve lost a lot of ethnic Russians who won’t be voting in their elections. And they should try and hold on to what they can in the east.

 

And the ultimate resolution of the ethnic conflicts in the east should probably be solved simply by moving peoples rather than moving borders. I do not think that a very substantial percentage of ethnic Russians in the east actually want to be in Russia. And the ones who really want to go should be allowed to.

 

I don’t think the referendum can be taken seriously when you basically have a referendum that is done after ethnic cleansing, under military occupation. There were referendum after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and I think we should let those referendum stand.

 

Joel Davis: Okay, Mark.

 

Mark Collett: Well, Greg said earlier that his point is, wouldn’t it be great if NATO was actually all pro-White, and everyone in NATO was pro-White, and then everything would be good. Well, that isn’t the case, is it? In fact, every country that has entered NATO has been pressured to be less pro-White. And you’re saying if the remaining pro-White nations enter NATO, that will somehow realign NATO. No, it won’t. They will just be pressured to be less pro-White, to be more pro-migrant, to be more pro-LGBT.

 

And every time anybody is pro-Russian in any way, or pro neutrality, Greg always states these people are being paid by Russia. But he seems to totally lack the ability to understand that people who are pro-US, people who are pro-NATO, people who are pro this war in the Ukraine, … This is a wacky idea, Greg, but maybe, just maybe, America has used some of its trillions of dollars in wealth to pay those people, too!

 

And I would suggest that there has been far more CIA meddling in the Ukraine. And we know this. We know this from some of the leaks from the Hunter Biden leaks, the Joe Biden leaks, stuff that came out before the last presidential election to what America was doing in the Ukraine. The idea that all of these people who are pro-American are just seeking self-determination is nonsense! They have been paid off! They are stooges!

 

And I would say no nation in the world, and I would bet my life on this, other than Israel, no Western nation has done more when it comes to subterfuge and the undermining of national sovereignty than America. And as I said, there’s only one nation that does that more, and that is Israel.

 

Now, of course, I am bothered about nuclear escalation, and I was pleased when Greg said that he was bothered about nuclear escalation. Now, I’m going to suggest something here because I’ve only got a few minutes left, but if you want to know all about how this began, there is a great, great presentation on YouTube by a guy called John Mersheimer. It’s absolutely wonderful.

 

He goes back to the 2008 Bucharest Summit. He has evidence which says America, and the American State Department, knew that if they pursued this tactic in the Ukraine, it would lead to this. And one of their outcomes that they discussed was nuclear war.

 

So Americans have gone down this road knowing that nuclear war could be an outcome, because these people are maniacs! The people in charge of the State Department, they don’t care what happens next.

 

Now, Greg also said he doesn’t care if the Russian Federation breaks up. Again, absolute insanity! The Russian Federation and the BRICS bloc [Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa] are the counterbalance to judeo-American, western, liberal, democracy. If there is no counterbalance to the American State and to those judeo-American values, that places all the power in the world in the hands of those people!

 

Anybody who thinks placing all the world’s power in one group of people, who just happen to be the most anti-White group of people! The most pro diversity group of people! The most pro-Israel group of people! And the most degenerate, debased, pro-LGBT, pro-transgender, antifamily, anti-christian, anti-morality! If you want to place all the world’s power in their hands, without any massive counterbalance, or any real counterbalance at all, you’re insane!

 

Because they would escalate their plan for White genocide at an exponential rate!

 

And finally, and this is where I completely lose what Greg is saying, in its entirety. I think Greg has gone absolutely insane, actually! Because when Greg said:

 

“How do you want to bring about the end of this war?”

 

My answer would be Western nations should seek self-determination and stop giving billions, and billions, and billions of dollars, or pounds, worth of high-tech weaponry to the Ukraine. Because if that weaponry was cut off at source, the war would be over in a week or so. the only reason the Ukraine is still fighting over the east, the only reason there is still bloodshed, is because the Western military industrial complex is funding that war. Western politicians are getting rich off that war. Arms manufacturers are getting rich off that war. Cut off those resources!

 

By doing the “Greg Plan” and giving them more weapons, that will extend the war. There will be more bloodshed! There will be more White people dead. And if Russia gets pushed back more and more, and if the war gets hotter and hotter, the Greg plan will take us closer to nuclear war. The only way to deescalate now, is for Western nations to do what Greg says he wants Western nations do.

 

But Greg doesn’t really want Western nations to do this. Greg wants Western nations to do what America wants. But I want Western nations to seek self-determination. Self-determination for Britain is not billions for the Ukraine, while Brits freeze! It’s billions for British pensioners, and billions of Russian gas, so that our elderly people, and our people on the poverty line, don’t die.

 

It’s not billions more of high tech weaponry taking us closer, and closer, and closer to 12:00 on the Doomsday Clock! Midnight on the Doomsday Clock, it’s game over for everyone! Because when those nukes start flying, it is mutually assured destruction. That would be disastrous.

 

But giving more weapons to Ukraine, and extending this war, takes us closer to that midnight hour.

 

The time has come for Western nations to break away from American influence, seek self-determination, do what trade deals they wish, and stop pumping billions of taxpayers money into prolonging this fratricidal war!

 

[85:45]

 

Joel Davis: OK, thanks, guys. It was a pretty good debate. I think a lot of the substantive points in the issue were kind of covered. And the audience got, I think, a pretty good representation of the two views. So I think it’s been a success.

 

Now, you guys are welcome to leave if you have to go, but I’m just going to start going through some of these Superchats. Now, the first Superchat is from Flying Dutchman. And he’s addressing Greg. He says:

 

“Dr. Johnson, you are on record saying that you’re a Zionist, because Jews need to have their own homeland. Is Zionism compatible with White nationalism, if Zionist funds are accepted by White nationalists? Thank you both for the discussion.”

 

Greg Johnson: Well, I don’t know what that last bit was about. But I’m a consistent ethno-nationalist. And, yeah, that makes me a Zionist. I would like Jews to have their own own homeland. And what’s more, I’d like them all to actually live there. And I think that that would be the solution to the Jewish question, the Jewish problem.

 

As far as money coming from them. Well, no, I think we should try and avoid any kind of financial entanglements with these people, because, well, they’re a Masters at pursuing their own interests at the expense of others.

 

I fully recognize that the basic Jewish position that most Jews have is:

 

“Nationalism for us, but not for the rest of the world.”

 

And they’re never going to play fair, unless we force them to play fair.

 

Mark Collett: I’ve only got one thing to say on this. I’ve just made a video about this, actually, on Friday. It’s a ten minute video. Zionism is a cancer! Zionism is not Jewish nationalism, it’s Jewish supremacism! And Zionism has two distinct, yet hypocritical components. One is that Jews deserve an ethno-state where they are first class citizens, where they are ethnically protected, where they protect their own culture, they’re in traditions, their own religion. But at the same time, Zionists who control the West, people like Liz Truss, Joe Biden, both are admitted Zionists, do the exact opposite to Western nations.

 

So Zionism seeks to create ethnic homogeny for one group, to protect that group, and grant that group a special power, and a special right, whilst stripping everybody else of that right, and dumping everyone else into a multicultural melting pot. So that they lose who they are and the strength that comes from ethnic homogeneity, and from holding on to your culture and traditions. I am not a Zionist! And I think Zionism is one of the most destructive forces the world’s ever know.

 

Greg Johnson: Do you think that Jews should have a homeland of their own?

 

Mark Collett: I think Jews should have a place where they can live together. And yes, that would be a homeland. But I do not think that homeland should come at the expense of the indigenous Palestinian people, who have been slaughtered, who have been maimed, who have been brutalized, and who have been driven off their land, in the most brutal and disgusting way! And I will further what I’ve just said with the fact that had any other ethnic group, other than the Jews, treated another ethnic group in the way that the Palestinians have been treated, there would have been bombs flying everywhere! But they get away with everything. And what they have done to the Palestinian people is nothing short of genocide.

 

Greg Johnson: Where would you say, …

 

Joel Davis: So a two-State solution, like 1967, pre 1967 borders, or would you ideally have them to stay completely somewhere else?

 

Mark Collett: Is that a question for me?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Just out of curiosity.

 

Mark Collett: I think that there has to be a massive expansion of Palestinian land. There has to be a return of Palestinian land that has been illegally seized by Jewish settlers. And whatever arrangement they come to, it cannot be a situation where Palestinians are brutalized, and all power is seized from them. So, as I say, I am not against any ethnic group, any ethnic group, seeking self-determination. But self-determination should be for all, not for one chosen people.

 

Joel Davis: Okay, so I’m going to go to the next Superchat, which is from Kevin McClain. He said:

 

“Russia has for 800 years been a multiethnic country incorporating Slavic, Turkic, Ughian, and East Asian peoples, but the population has remained in balance, with Russians maintaining an 80% majority.”

 

It’s more of a comment, I guess, than a question. But I don’t know if either of you dispute that. I think actually, Mark, you made that point yourself. I’m not super aware of the history, to be honest.

 

Greg Johnson: You can’t tell the future from a snapshot looking at percentages, without looking at fertility rates. And White Russians will not be 80% of the Russian Federation with 1.5 fertility, when other groups like Chechens and Tuvans actually have population growth. So if you look at it over a very long period of time, it’s simply impossible for them to maintain that 80%.

 

Also, there are no boundaries against miscegenation in the Russian Federation, and quite a lot of it has taken place already. And again, there are literally millions of people from the Stans who are there as immigrants, legal and illegal, who are also breeding. And so yeah. In the long run, I think Russia has alarming demographic trends, just like the United States does, just like Great Britain does, just like other countries do. And they have an illiberal government that will not allow people to frame these concerns and get them debated in politics.

 

So I think that not only do they have the same problem as we do in the West, but they don’t have the ability for patriotic people with a long-range vision to try and turn it around. And that’s a terribly dangerous situation for Russians, and for any other people in the Russian Empire, for that matter.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’ve already made my point about Russia. The number of White Russians, or the percentage of White Russians in Russia has remained remarkably stable since 1926. Again, Greg then says:

 

“Oh, well, you can’t trust any Russian statistics!”

 

Well, can you trust any statistics the British government give you? Can you trust any statistics the American government gives you? If you’re playing that game, you could say, well, actually, White Britain’s far closer to ethnic annihilation than we think, because they’ve been fiddling the censuses. The same argument can be made both sides.

 

Now, I can’t change any of the breeding habits of people. That’s beyond my power. But Greg makes a very strange comment, that there are no laws in Russia against miscegenation. Well, there’s no laws against miscegenation in the West either, Greg.

 

Greg Johnson: I know, …

 

Mark Collett: In fact, miscegenation is essentially forced in the West! Every single advert, or every single TV show, or film, you see in the West is pro miscegenation. Now, in Russia, when you look at adverts, when you look at television, what is being forced on Russian people? It is not the same White genocide as being forced in the West. And to say it is, it’s quite frankly, delusional!

 

If you look at the makeup of people on Russian TV, there is no concerted effort to make sure every blonde, blue eyed, White Russian woman is paired with an African migrant. That is happening in the West. And there is a concerted effort. I’ve been documenting this in Christmas adverts since about 2017!

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, it’s much worse in the West. It’s terrible! There’s this hilarious video clip that I saw of Lukashenko and Belarus lauding misgenation between Belarusian girls and Arabs, and Egyptians, and people like that. So it happens there, too. Also, Russia has very aggressive multicultural propaganda, where they have people popping up one of each. It’s like the cover of an American college catalog popping up:

 

“I’m Russian! I’m Russian!”

 

You know, Tuvens and Kalmics [sp] and people like that they do have that same kind of propaganda.

 

But here’s the thing. No matter how the propaganda is pitched, whether it’s screamingly anti-White, or even sort of conservative, and wholesome, the underlying demographic problem is there. And if it’s not addressed in a timely fashion, it’s going to lead to the same conclusions. And that’s the sad thing.

 

You can have a conservative, Christian branded, civic nationalist, melting pot, kind of society that’s just as anti-White in its long term demographic consequences, as the crazed nonsense that you and I have to live with in the West. That’s the sad truth about Russia.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I fundamentally disagree. And I will say this, you keep pointing out the multiculturalism of Russia, but as I said, it is a massive land mass with multiple ethnic groups living within it, just as the British Isles has a natural multi-ethnic, …

 

Greg Johnson: It’s an empire! And it should downsize. It needs to downsize. It needs to shed some of its diversity.

 

Mark Collett: Maybe the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine need to [word unclear] away.

 

Greg Johnson: I think they should start migrating to Russia. It would help Russia’s terrible demographic problems.

 

But there’s another thing that I just want to address, which is this counterbalance idea that you were putting forward. First of all, Russia is a very weak cardboard counterbalance to the West, as we have discovered. It’s quite fragile. Its military has performed miserably. There have been, I think, as many as four and a half million Russians have fled the country since September 24. I’ve seen wildly varied figures. It is not a very powerful counterbalance.

 

And it’s certainly not as powerful a counterbalance as, say, China. If Russia folds like a cheap suit, and it very well might, China is still going to be a major player on the global stage. India is still a major player on the global stage, just in terms of population. It is not going to be this catastrophic image that you paint of the United States being able to get its way in everything, if Russia folds.

 

So I don’t accept that. And at what price are we willing to contemplate creating this counterbalance? Are we going to offer up, how many White nations should be offered up as burnt offerings, on the altar of geopolitics against American hegemony? I would say zero.

 

Mark Collett: Why do you want American hegemony?

 

Greg Johnson: I don’t want American hegemony.

 

Mark Collett: Good. Then support a genuine independent buffer state. Tell America to get out of the Ukraine. Russia then would have no need to go into the Ukraine. American knew, if you watch John Mersham’s speech, he explains all of this in great detail. After the Bucharest Summit in 2008, America knew what would happen if they pursued this route. America pursued this route because they want regime change in Russia.

 

And without being insulting, what you are seeing in terms of the Russia offensive, you clearly don’t understand. The Russian offensive had a mere 190,000 troops involved. And it did not follow the path of blitzkrieg, or shock and awe. Putin has not gone in there like America or Britain would have done, and completely flattened the nation, then rolled in when it was rubble and dust! Because he is clearly doing this to cause as little damage as, …

 

Greg Johnson: I think that’s really laughable. I’ve seen the ruins of Mariupol.

 

Mark Collett: How is it laughable?

 

Greg Johnson: I think it’s easy enough to Google the burned out ruins of, … He’s destroyed a lot of the area in the, …

 

Mark Collett: He’s done nothing compared, … Google, … Greg, if you’re going to do this, you need some facts, because there was about 220,000 Iraqi civilians killed by, … Wait! By America and Britain, by direct violence alone! That means by shells, bombs, missiles, bullets, artillery. There has been nothing like that kind of civilian loss in the Ukraine.

 

And by the end of the Iraq conflict, when you took into account deaths because of the destruction of health care facilities, infrastructure, water, nearly a million Iraqi civilians had died. And was it Victoria Nuwland or someone else who said:

 

“Well, that’s just an acceptable price.”

 

Greg Johnson: I think that was another Jew. Madeline Albright.

 

Mark Collett: Another one. Another one! Well, you’re certainly fighting their corner tonight, Greg, with your positions!

 

But the fact of the matter is, the fact of the matter is Putin has not brought anywhere near that level of devastation upon the Ukraine.

 

Greg Johnson: He might not but he is capable of it.

 

Mark Collett: He he is absolutely capable of it. Not everybody who commands a military force uses it in the same way as the vicious, soulless, war mongers, behind the American State Department. Which for some reason, you seem to be a big fan of! And I am absolutely not!

 

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Greg Johnson: No. Not a big fan of the American State Department. However, I see why countries like Ukraine are fans of things like NATO, and are seeking out influence in Washington. They’re looking for a counterbalance. Right? They’re looking for a counterbalance against Russia. They don’t want to be sucked into being basically a kleptocratic satellite like Lucashenko’s Belarus. This is just political realism. That’s just what small nations do.

 

Mark Collett: You can’t have it both ways, Greg. It’s either self-determination, or they’re joining it with America, which is it?

 

Greg Johnson: It’s perfectly consistent with being a sovereign state to enter into voluntary alliances with other nations. That’s completely consistent with being a sovereign state. And that’s exactly what NATO is. NATO was not created by conquest. Unlike the Warsaw Pact. It was not created by conquest. Countries enter into it, they apply, they are voted on, and they are brought in, or not.

 

And if you want to say there’s no difference between conquest and that, then I beg to differ. There are enormous differences! There are morally relevant differences between sovereign nations joining together in alliances with one another, or sovereign nations being conquered and basically turned into vassals by others. I do not accept this language of calling, say, Ukraine a “vassal state of the United States”. It’s not a conquest.

 

Mark Collett: Is the UK a vassal state of the United States?

 

Greg Johnson: Well, let me ask you.

 

Mark Collett: There’s only one answer to this, Greg.

 

Greg Johnson: You tell me!

 

Mark Collett: Of course it is! The UK doesn’t even have power over it’s own nuclear Arsenal. America does. The UK is a complete vassal state of America, just as Germany is.

 

Greg Johnson: Yes. Okay. The UK is a vassal state of, … Do you think the UK would be allowed to resign it’s position in NATO?

 

Mark Collett: Absolutely not! The UK’s completely, …

 

Greg Johnson: What would be done? Would bombs be dropped on London?

 

Mark Collett: It would never happen. You would never get a situation, … If the UK tried to break away from NATO, or try to break away from American control, the first thing would happen is all their nuclear submarines would immediately stop functioning, or at least the warheads would be disabled, and would just be basically useless to them. The fact is, the UK is basically one of America’s fighting arms. It has been for some time. It was completely bought and co-opted post Second World War.

 

Greg Johnson: It’s a sad decline for your Empire, there’s no question about it. Are there other Superchats here?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I’ll move on to Flying Dutchman sent another one saying:

 

“Freedom of speech and certain political parties have also been crushed at Ukraine.”

 

I think this is actually a good point. I mean, this idea that Russia is this super oppressive autocratic state, but Ukraine is this bastion of democracy. I mean, surely, Greg, you don’t actually buy this?

 

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Greg Johnson: Well, Ukraine does have a multiparty Parliamentary system that’s much less farcical than what happens in Russia. But yet one of the reasons why there have been these parties that have been shut down is because it’s easy for parties to be set up, including parties that are simply, basically tools of Russian power. And those are the kinds of parties that have been shut down.

 

Joel Davis: But weren’t some of these parties that were connected to the Russians incredibly popular, particularly in the regions that the Russians have annexed? If you look at the voting trends prior to 2014, a lot of parties and figures which are considered pro-Russian, and validly so, would often win those elections.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, yes, indeed! They had a series of pro-Russian presidents. But what happened is, once they got into office, they had to deal with a genuine multi-party democracy and a very, very substantial percentage of Ukrainians didn’t want to go that way.

 

Joel Davis: But the percentage of the Ukrainians that seem to want to go in their pro-Russian route seemed to be the Ukrainians, particularly in Luhansk and Danevsk, if you look at the voting history. Now, obviously, just because they voted for pro-Russian party doesn’t necessarily mean voting to be annexed by the Russian Federation. These are two different things.

 

But it definitely demonstrates nevertheless that these people have had since 2014, they’ve been suppressed from exercising their rights in these areas. The Minsk Agreements were violated, there’s no question about it. Independent international observers have pointed that out.

 

So surely you have to at least acknowledge that the Ukrainians, they’re hardly without any moral blame in the situation. It does seem to be a pro-Russian element, and a Russian ethnic element, that exists in these territories, which has been politically suppressed in multiple ways by the Ukrainian state. And international agreements have been violated, surely, around this as well.

 

Greg Johnson: It would be nice if all of this could be sorted out. I don’t think it can be sorted out until there’s an end to this war.

 

Mark Collett: But Greg, you can’t have it both ways!

 

Joel Davis: Isn’t the war itself an expression of the fact that it couldn’t be sorted out?

 

Greg Johnson: I don’t know.

 

Mark Collett: Greg, you’ve given your point. I just want to give this rebuttal to what you said. You keep wanting to have it both ways. So when there’s someone who speaks out on Russia’s side, they’re bought and paid for by the Russians. When somebody speaks out on the American side, that’s just that person giving their opinion.

 

And now what you’re saying is, there’s no freedom in Russia, but there’s loads of freedom in the Ukraine! And then when somebody says, what about all the pro-Russian parties that have been banned, parties that get a sizeable number of the votes, parties that represented hundreds of thousands of people in the east of the Ukraine, have just been banned by Zelensky, you say:

 

“Oh, that’s okay! Because they were pro-Russian.”

 

So what you’re basically saying, …

 

Greg Johnson: Look, it’s a war! Okay?

 

Mark Collett: No! No! You can’t have it both ways!

 

Greg Johnson: I’m not trying to have it bothy ways!

 

Mark Collett: What the hell are you saying? Ban that party because it’s saying something I don’t like. You can’t say it both ways!

 

Greg Johnson: Oh, look! Look! Look. If you’re at war with another country, you cannot, … No serious country at war with another country is going to allow political parties that work for your enemy to enjoy, …

 

Mark Collett: They were banned before this conflict!

 

Greg Johnson: To sit down, …

 

Mark Collett: They were banned before!

 

Greg Johnson: When did the conflict start? When was the first political party banned? What year?

 

Mark Collett: I would have to look that up. But there have been numerous parties banned and they were banned before the operations that started this year. And obviously, …

 

Greg Johnson: Were they banned after 2014?

 

Mark Collett: Yes.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay. Well, the war started in 2014, as far as the Ukrainians are concerned. Crimea was annexed. That’s when these Donetsk and Luhansk ops took off. If you see that there are political actors in your society that are in the pay of a hostile foreign power that has actually taken your territory. It would be completely farcical to let these people be seated in your Parliament, and engage in, …

 

Mark Collett: But they’ve been voted in by people in the east of the Ukraine who deserve a voice in Parliament. Because you keep saying “self-determination, self-determination”. Then eventually when the self-determination doesn’t work out the way Greg Johnson and Counter-Currents wants it to work out, ban them!

 

Greg Johnson: Are there other questions?

 

Joel Davis: There are. I just thought this was kind of interesting. This seems to be one of the key issues, but yeah.

 

So we also have a question from Thumprat:

 

“Is Mark unaware the 23 year old Russian woman was charged and put on an extremist list for posting memes about black people on VK?”

 

OK, whatever. [chuckling] Hackman says to Greg:

 

“Ukraine is run by a US planted Jewish homo. What reason do we have to think that that would improve by Ukraine joining NATO? To Mark. Say something nice about Greg. To all nukes of fake and gay.”

 

Mark Collett: Say something nice about Greg? He publishes an excellent book called The Enemy of the Europe by Francis Parker Yockey. You should all buy it and read it and understand that the real enemy is Western liberal democracy!

 

Greg Johnson: Okay, that’s very kind of you. I’m going to watch the sales of that skyrocket. So.

 

Joel Davis: Archie says:

 

“Great discussion, guys. I’ll keep it to myself who I believe wins. The most important thing is to avoid the nukes. I mocked the fears that Putin was going to invade. I was fooled. I don’t doubt the nuke threats. I missed the first hour. I hope I can listen to the beginning and share it.”

 

Thanks, Archie. Flying Dutchman again says:

 

“One thing we should all agree upon is the resiliency of the White race, whether you live in the West or Russia. The only way to our salvation is the third rail.”

 

I think that probably goes without requiring comment. Guardians Maximus says:

 

“If the UK is just a vassal state and everything is hopeless, what exactly is the point of PA, Mark? Why do anything?”

 

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Mark Collett: I didn’t say everything was hopeless. I said that the UK has been reduced to a vassal state of America. That is something I absolutely wish to overturn. I want to see the American, judeo-American, system crumble. And I think if the judeo-American system did crumble, I believe that states under the control of that system could begin to then take their own destiny back into their hands. Then there would be self-determination. And that’s what I fight for. I want a genuinely independent Britain.

 

And equally, I want to see a genuinely independent Germany, France, etc. I don’t want European nations to be battle states of America! That’s what I’m fighting for. I think that’s pretty clear from what I’ve said tonight.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Archie said:

 

“MAGA is a party that’s trying to form in the USA, but the Biden regime is trying to shut it down, just as Great Britain won’t let Patriotic Alternative form. Liberal democracy is an illusion. It’s fascist. [chuckling] A bit of a blue pill comment, but thanks. Nice sentiment, I guess.

 

Zoltanus says:

 

“Greg, if Russian Empire is bad, why has it always existed in Russian identity? Also saying it must go away is asking Russian identity to die. Constantin Rosaevsky, [sp] the Russian fascist in ABC of Fascism, said it was a spiritual unity of every ethnic group. Russian identity is distinct for this reason.”

 

Greg Johnson: Yes, well, I think that it would be nice that the Russian people have a homeland of their own. And the main impediment to having a homeland of their own is the Russian imperialist ideology of Russia’s elite.

 

Again, the idea that this is an existential war, that Russia cannot exist behind it’s 2013 borders, is absurd! Unless the Russian mentality is defining itself as imperialistic, then it is an existential threat. It’s an existential threat to the Russian imperialist mentality to live behind it’s borders.

 

But I want a world where there are distinct nations that can live behind their borders in peace with one another. And that kind of imperialist mentality is inconsistent with my long term ethno-nationalist geopolitical vision. Which is why I want to comment on this kind of stuff. Because I think that if we put forward this vision of a world where people, different peoples, can live in peace with one another behind stable borders and cooperate.

 

That is a superior vision to the world that we have today. Where you have multiracial empires. You’ve got multiculturalism. You’ve got mass migration. You’ve got the destruction of identity and you’ve got parasitic groups that are benefiting from that. Whether that’s the elite in Moscow. Or whether it’s international jewry. Or whether that’s sort of the globalist establishment in America.

 

There are many different sort of market dominant minorities and elites that skim off and benefit from imperialism and globalization in one form or another. Even though that’s destructive of identities and destructive of other nations.

 

I’d like an alternative world order to that. That’s the reason to comment on this. I think that if we had an ethno-nationalist world order, there wouldn’t be this war in Ukraine.

 

Joel Davis: Archie:

 

“Greg said war is a justified reason to shut down the opposition. We don’t need a war to silence the opposition. Covid emergency measures were enough to attack the Canadian freedom truckers.”

 

I don’t know if it was.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, emergency powers are a grave danger. War emergencies, health emergencies, people say:

 

“Well, it’s an emergency! We can change the rules arbitrarily.”

 

And that is a great danger.

 

Joel Davis: Yes. But Greg, as an ethno-nationalist, for sake of argument, if it was demonstrated that in the Donbas, the people there were overwhelmingly ethically Russian – obviously there’s a historical link between that region and Russia – if they voted to secede and it was a kind of fair election and so on, and it could be kind of those international observers that were neutral, that verified it, would you accept the results?

 

Greg Johnson: Absolutely! That’s one way that you can handle these things. Now there was a referendum about whether to be ruled from Moscow or ruled from Kiev. It was after the collapse of communism and every single region of Ukraine voted for independence. Even the Donbas, even the Crimea. The Crimea had the lowest percentage, but it was still over 50%. Those were referendums that were actually observed by outsiders. Those were referendums that were probably as free and fair as you are going to get in a place like that.

 

What’s happened since then, for instance, the obviously fake referendum that took place in 2014 in Crimea that was ratified by foreign nationalist observers who were obviously enamored to Putin, that was fake! Certainly the referendum that have taken place in the east recently, where Ukrainians have fled the area because, well, they’re afraid of dying! Where armed men go door-to-door collecting votes. Clearly that’s a fake referendum, and that cannot be taken seriously. But yes, it would be great if you could have referenda that could separate certain territories where there’s ethnic conflict.

 

Like I said, the only referendum that I know of that took place under those conditions soundly kept those areas as part of Ukraine. Now, if things have changed radically since then, I would be surprised.

 

Here’s the thing. I believe that every distinct people should have a homeland. That doesn’t mean that every Russian, ethnic Russian needs to live in Russia, right? Or every ethnic German needs to live in Germany. But if you’ve got a homeland and you feel very strongly about it, it’s great for the Russians to have a homeland that they can go to.

 

Many ethnic Russians live in Ukraine and felt no need to pack up and move to Russia. A lot of ethnic Russians, I know ethnic Russians in Ukraine who fled Russia to Ukraine, because they found it a freer place to live. So just to say that because somebody is an ethnic Russian, that they’re a natural voter for secession is highly dubious, and therefore you really do need to have some kind of fair referendum. How you could have it at this point, after eight years of conflict in this region, I don’t know.

 

And maybe the best way to sort this out is just to allow people who feel very, very strongly about being ruled from Moscow to move across the border. I think that if you gave them that choice, very few would actually do it. I think that the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics are simply Russian military operations! They are fake! And Russia has a history of these kinds of operations.

 

The Transnistria op which happened in Moldova is an example of this. They like to use Russian populations that were left over in various parts of the Soviet empire, and Russian Empire, as pretext, as a fifth column, for Russian influence, and as a pretext for various ops and interventions. So there’s a long history of that.

 

And I think that Ukrainians therefore regard this with extreme jaundice. But let’s just leave that aside. I do think that the solution to ethnic conflict, when you have multiple peoples within the same borders, is to move borders, or move people, or both.

 

Mark Collett: I just want to respond to this. I think what Greg says is a nonsense! Everything that doesn’t go Greg’s way is somehow controlled by the Russians. But things that do go Greg’s way are absolutely self-determination. So in 2014, what was clearly a CIA backed coup, was absolutely the will of the Ukrainian people!

 

Greg Johnson: But isn’t it wasn’t a CIA backed coup.

 

Mark Collett: It was a CIA backed Color Revolution!

 

Greg Johnson: What colour was it?

 

Joel Davis: Hey, Greg! I think Mark let you speak for a while, so you can as well.

 

Mark Collett: , … Was pushed through to depose Viktor Yanukovych, because Viktor Yanukovych was not going along with American interests. The people who were armed and used as a battering ram to push that revolution through, many of them were arrested afterwards. And none of them ended up holding any form of power in the new reconstructed Ukraine because those people, mainly, were angry nationalists who had been used by the CIA as a battering ram.

 

Just as Azov had been used by the CIA to commit war crimes in eastern Ukraine, again, as a battering ram to provoke Russia. That was a coup! That was not democracy.

 

You cannot say that a CIA backed coup is somehow more good, or more proper, or more an indication of self-determination, than a series of referenda by people who have lived in that area, or on that land, for a multitude of generations. So you are saying that Crimea, which was historically Russia, always part of Russia, gifted to the Ukraine as part of a Soviet reshuffle. The people there were Russian, the people there spoke Russian, but their independence vote was absolutely a big Russian gay op!

 

Greg Johnson: Totally a fake opposition!

 

Mark Collett: You see, Greg, what you’re doing is you basically look at things from, if you like it, it’s real. If you don’t, it’s not. That is what you’re saying.

 

Greg Johnson: No, that’s not my criteria. But look, the Maidan was not a CIA op, okay? It was a revolution when a politician who was put in power to pursue EU membership suddenly made an about face because of Russian pressure and Russian bribery. And among the ultranationalists who participated in that, there was the Svoboda Party, which ended up in the government, the national unity government, after Yanukovych fled the country. And so you’re simply wrong. The nationalists were part of the National Unity government that took over after Yanukovych.

 

Mark Collett: So I suppose Yanukovych only got elected because the Russians fiddled the polls?

 

Greg Johnson: I don’t know. Let’s just pretend that they, …

 

Mark Collett: So all the people that voted for Yanukovych, and all the parties that were banned, and all the people who were denied a stake in future governments, that’s all okay because they don’t agree with Greg?

 

Greg Johnson: No, that’s not my criterion.

 

Mark Collett: That is absolutely your criteria. If people don’t agree with Greg, they were paid for by Russian shills, but everything else, …

 

Greg Johnson: Do you deny for instance, Nick Griffin is getting money from Sputnik right now?

 

Mark Collett: I don’t know what he does. I despise that guy! So I don’t know what he does. I’ve not had contact with him for years. He’s an absolute traitor to British nationalism, so I wouldn’t know.

 

But what I am saying is there are many different leaders all over the world who have been funded, just as revolutions have, by the CIA, and the American State.

 

Greg Johnson: Oh, absolutely! There is no question about T

 

Mark Collett: The American State has meddled more in the affairs of other states than, as I said, any other nation other than Israel.

 

Greg Johnson: I wouldn’t know about the exact numbers, but there’s no question that the United States has got lots and lots of blood on its hands. So we don’t have any question about that.

 

Joel Davis: There is a poll on my telegram. I pinned it in the live chat where you can vote. Who won the debate? Mark Collett or Greg Johnson? We’ve had nearly 400 votes. Mark is winning the vote right now. But if the Counter-Current Greg shills, ….

 

Greg Johnson: Yes, I have paid shills that will come in and will hack the election! Actually hack the election, using wireless modems to change the results. You saw it through me! Me and the CIA!

 

Mark Collett: Are we wrapping it up anyway?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I think we should probably wrap it up. We just have two last Superchats, but I’ll just kind of read to them quick:

 

“Mark and Dr. Johnson have more Jews left Ukraine or Russia since the beginning of the Special Military Operation?”

 

It’s more of a kind of rhetorical question, I guess. And Miller 210 says:

 

“Greg, are you not clinging to a utopian idea of ethno-nationalism? Stronger states expand and trample weaker states? Will this ever really change?”

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, I think it can change. Basically, what you’re saying is that war is inevitable. And what I would like is to find a way of creating a world where there’s less war and less conflict. I don’t think we can live in a world without it entirely. That’s unrealistic. But we can certainly come up with political orders that can minimize unnecessary conflict and suffering. And that’s the vision that I have.

 

And that’s why I want to comment on this, because I think that if we can get more people thinking in terms of an ethno-nationalist geopolitics, to use a dirty word, rather than the current mess that we’ve got, we might actually get to a better world.

 

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Joel Davis: Do you want to comment on that, Mark? The whole Empire vs ethno-nationalism thing?

 

Mark Collett: I think I’ve made my point clear. The greatest threat to people of European descent is judeo-American, Western liberal democracy. Anything that stands as a powerful counterbalance to that and prevents it from growing aggressively, or more aggressively than it was already has, is a good thing.

 

The fact is, nations that have more openly embraced America, and so-called American values are the ones that are fastest headed towards a White minority status. And I think that is the most important thing.

 

But I’ve had a really good time tonight. Thank you to everyone who’s been here, but I think I need to go and get some sleep.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I think I’ll end the stream there. I think that’s a good way to end it. And thank you both for coming on. I think we put on something pretty good. Hope people thought that my moderation was fair.

 

Greg Johnson: Absolutely. I think you were very good. I very much appreciate it, actually, Joel. I think you handled this quite well.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I just wanted to have a kind of fair hearing for both sides, and I think you both were able to argue everything you wanted to argue. So I think that’s a victory for the format. And yeah, thank you both. You both, I think, did a pretty good job. And, yeah, thanks a lot for coming on and thanks for watching, everyone.

 

Greg Johnson: Thank you.

 

 

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274 Comments

(As of Nov 8, 2022)

 

@MichaelB
5 days ago
Greg’s position is very gay.
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@NewWacoResident
7 days ago
This is a complex issue, not least because unlike our western “Leaders”for some generations, Putin is a highly able, intellectually astute, learned and rugged man, tested in the fire of real jeopardy. You may recall his standing guard on the Russian Embassy in Berlin as the wall fell, unbowed and unwavering. You might know of his intelligent remarks considering such topics as the ethics of Ivan Alexandrovich Ilyin (of ‘On resistance to Evil by force’ fame). And you might observe that in realpolitik it is necessary to tread amongst and build and break alliances with the less than ideal characters that actually wield power.
In his recent Valdai Speech Putin often spoke of Democracy. Are we to infer he believes in this ridiculous chimera? Or that he knows plainer speech is unpalatable to his audience? He spoke also of the evils of antisemitism. But has acted to curb the subversive influence of ethnosectarians. His core focus seems a machiavellian realist approach to building a strong and viable realm for his people. Must he make questionable alliances? Undoubtedly. He assumed command of a nation raped nearly into oblivion by globalist forces of ‘rules based order’, and already wounded deeply by a near century of godless communism, and rudderless rule previously. Russia was already largely alcoholic, abortionist and morally nihilist, but he has cautiously tried to restrain these ills and restore orthodoxy.
The Ukraine has long been a place of tragedy, never perhaps more than now. It shares all the wounds of Russia, and more. But where Russia has the fortune to have bold leadership, Ukraine has a penis-pianist Jew actor. The allies/directors of both sides give little reason for confidence. China and the Mullahs vs. Western Zio-Faggotocracy.
To me this debate was decided for Mr. Collett, when Johnson opined that Putin thinks Nations are only as sovereign as they are powerful.
This is obviously the case, ever and always. Else you are vassal to your protector.
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@guystark91
9 days ago
my enemy’s enemy is not necessarily my friend
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@lin1488
10 days ago
I like what both have said here on the subject. This was a great conversation. I think people should avoid ad hominem attacks on either speakers. Those attacks yield nothing of value but vitriol towards folks on either side of the argument.
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@Bolly
13 days ago
“Yes I AM A ZIONIST” – Greg Johnson.
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@Woden
13 days ago
As for tactics used in the Ukraine , well, during the 2014 coup they are clearly, crystal clear in fact , the exact same tactics as were used with the BLM fiasco of 2020 .
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@Woden
13 days ago
What Greg says in the main on Ukraines independence, goes against nearly everything I’ve learnt. From mainstream and independent sources alike.
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@dufrianord
13 days ago
Finland, well, that is right but it was not a long period of time and the laws and religion and everything from Sweden stayed intact.
This topic is so easy to pick a side on that it is ridiculous. A European country was invaded by a Bolshevist army who waved their evil red hammer and sickle flag all over Ukraine. NATO is not the issue her, or the reason for the invasion.
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@Strawberry_Lynn
13 days ago
Greg Johnson talks a load of sht. He talked a load of sht whilst on PWR, too
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@BoboYuuts
14 days ago
Mark is too dim for this issue.
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@MuhFashyBookshelf
14 days ago
Kinda off topic, but does anyone know why Greg’s work is excluded from the Unz Review?
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@Bolly
14 days ago
GO MARK!! GTKRWN. NATO=North American Terrorist Organisation.
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@JushzChlebek
14 days ago
Most people are supporting either the American Empire or the Russian Empire. The correct position is to reject both. In regards to Ukraine, the American Empire used soft power to conquer the country (propaganda/political manipulation). Russia is trying to use hard power (invading the country) to reverse that American victory.
The Ukrainian people have accepted the religion of the GAE. Yes, America did all sorts of political shenanigans to promote their progressive religion. That doesn’t justify this invasion.
America won Ukraine without firing a single missile, and Putin’s ego couldn’t handle that. If Collett’s argument is that Russia is fighting Progressivism, then that basically means Putin can invade any country.
The Americans used hard power in Iraq, but that doesn’t justify Putin using hard power in Ukraine. If it was wrong in Iraq, then it’s wrong in Ukraine also. The fact that America has imperial ambitions does not justify Putin’s imperial ambitions. The Ukrainian PREFER THE GAE. That’s a bad thing, but it doesn’t justify MURDER.
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@Myst0r
6 hours ago
It’s arguable whether people in Western countries “have accepted the religion of the GAE”, depending on how you define it. I’d say it’s a minority in each country. To say that as a generalization for Ukrainians is just ridiculous, they are a very religious and socially conservative nation.
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@Arch_Nemesis
14 days ago
my my yes indeed.. my impression of Greg Johnson is that he is a clown princess and he goes if we only could and then I guess he wants to go on his knees and blow the EU to get his ethno state as if that’s going to happen Mark is a better man than me he does have compassion for the mentally ill.
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@Saint_Basil
15 days ago
Where’s Greg Johnson’s face? Is it covered in monkey pox? Is his political position, “I want to engage in sodomy with strictly white boys”? Or is he an asset of GAE? What is his deal?
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@UsilleekHunt
16 days ago
Greg taken to school here
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@Xenon166
16 days ago
Mark Collett has been a huge disappointment on understanding the real deeper issues on Ukraine, he seems to care MORE about the lives of people in the middle east than a real white people state like Ukraine. Mark Collett wants Putin to take over Ukraine so Putin can enslave/kill white Ukrainians like he does with Chechens to try and invade other white countries and be killed like cannon fodder.
Mark Collett should be listening and researching Greg’s points more carefully rather than using his mental gymnastics to see things in such a simpleton manner and as if Putin is someone to stand behind under any circumstance over Ukraine. I am kind of heart broken because if Mark is suppose to be the leader of proper pro-white movement then it’s going to fail hard on the first rock it hits and tries to climb, the comments on here being hardcore pro-Mark are disappointing and I almost can’t believe it, I can only hope most are just working or even dying for Putin and his ego.
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@Xenon166
16 days ago
I now regret all the times I have shared Mark Collett’s content and sent him crypto. He is being nothing but a huge simpleton disappointment to me on this topic, the Ukraine conflict is the first real IQ test for him to show he can think beyond the most simple pro-white thinking points and prove he is real leader material and he has failed MISERABLY on this.
Mark listen to Greg more carefully, he was being polite to on you this subject, while you are more passionate about the subject, to me (and I assume Greg) you are no more intelligent than some of the “undesirables” you have talked about that you don’t want in your own group, you believe you see more than simpleton undesirables that you don’t want in your group, but to people like me (and I assume Greg) you are the low IQ undesirable simpleton retard on this subject, to put it brutally and thoroughly.
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@ZackFrisbee
16 days ago
Never trust a man who takes another man’s cock in his anus.
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@ZackFrisbee
16 days ago
Greg is just a racist Libtard seething about being kicked out of the bug man community while holding a boombox over his head trying to get back in.
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@Gandydancer
17 days ago
I don’t have a dog in this fight. Greg Johnson’s position is necessarily incoherent (“Ukraine” gets the nationality 50% allegedly wants, but the Donbas doesn’t?) and Mark Collett is a loon with Jews on the brain whop, if he has any actual points to make, I couldn’t stomach enough to stick around until he got to them.
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@JewishNazi
17 days ago
Greg Johnson is the worst argument for white nationalism, his worldview is completely unrealistic and honestly deranged. Thinking it would be a good thing for Russia to lose territory and break up because it would “shed some diversity” is so out of tune with geopolitical reality only an insane person would actually do such a thing. You actually can’t run a government and a foreign policy based on white nationalism solely you do actually have to factor in things like geopolitics and economics. Greg maybe well educated but he is not a smart nor sensible person, some of the things he was saying in the debate were downright imbecilic.
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@Iill_Frigg
17 days ago
I think Mark won, but to think jewtin is not controlled by the chosenits is naiv. He banned holocaust revisionism before most Western countries and just Tore down the holodomor memorial site, cause he claims it celebrates disinformation.
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@ゼロHope
17 days ago
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So according to Greg, if a government decides they don’t like a political party, it’s ok to start bombing them, and now that it’s a war, it is legitimate to ban the political party. Cause that’s kinda what happened in Ukraine. And that’s just democracy at work or something and not a heavy hand of authoritarianism.
And to further point of Nationalism, these regions wanted to leave Ukraine, they voted on it, multiple times. They don’t want to be a part of Ukraine, they consider themselves to be of a different nation, and democratically voiced their will to no longer be under the same government as the rest of Ukraine, this isn’t a Blanket Annex of of an empire simply moving in. If Greg is principled in his nationalism even to extend that courtesy to his enemies in the case of a certain other ethnic group, why doesn’t that extend to the people of the contested eastern Ukraine?
And then wants to give them more money and weapons to continue an impossible war, that is only going to kill tons of people for no achievable goals. They will die for literally nothing, or actually worse than nothing, they will die so that several billions of dollars+ can be stolen and laundered under the guise of “aide” to a handful of rich and corrupt evil men.
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@JohnConnor
17 days ago
I dont care about Russia or Ukraine, but I do appreciate the chaos it is creating and that can only be a good thing given how terrible clown world is becoming in the West. More division and instability until it all collapses!
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@thenorthowl
17 days ago
debate got better later on, first half seemed to be just 5 different opening statements.
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@C
18 days ago
Greg and Mark – two sterling gentlemen…
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@Wh0reKiller
18 days ago
The homo defends NATO and attacks Russia. with the same arguments used by John Bolton. Nothing new or surprising here. Mark C. crushed that pervert in this debate.
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@panarchytheater
18 days ago
If you are pro-white you MUST oppose the American Empire in favor of multipolarity. Grindr Greg is a psychopathic subverter. Several decades past due to recognize him for who he is.
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@perdurabo
18 days ago
There’s no way Greg isn’t Richard Spencer. they sound exactly alike.
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@Magura
18 days ago
By the way. Russia is more Russian than Ukraine is Ukrainian lol. So it would seem Ukraine is the bigger “empire” here.
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@Dumnonia
18 days ago
Even certain mainstream media commentators have acknowledged that the Maidan was a colour revolution. That ought to tell us something.
It seems to me that Ukraine should have its borders redrawn and perhaps some peaceful relocation of its citizenry.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
Greg Johnson is dead to me.
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@ChangusWhyteetoa
18 days ago
I find it strange Greg is basically just taking CNN for the gospel these days. Covid jab, now support Ukraine. Strange.
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@Magura
18 days ago
Same as Spencer. They’re made for each other
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
17 days ago
And guess what, seven years ago, they were both Duginists–publishing numerous articles promoting him. Now, they are doing this ZOG crap. I have been in this thing for a long time and I always hated Spencer. He was always an effite dandy and the best thing he ever did was promote Greg Conte who left NPI for greener pastures.
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@Magura
17 days ago
I liked Spencer for a long time, and he’s the first person that I started listening to in the dissident right, but he started changing after Charlottesville mostly for the worse, and today he’s basically just edgy CNN.
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@CaesarAvg
18 days ago
Good opening statement by Greg… but an even better one by Mark.
But as soon as the questions started being addressed, I aver that Mark started to move ahead by leaps and bounds.
For instance, I’m not sure how the Russo-Ukrainian typical ‘current year’ nonsense (frankly, an even more divisive and pointless wedge issue than Covid vaccines) can be framed as a war of a multiracial empire against a White nation. The Ukraine isn’t just horribly multiethnic, but it’s hardly any less multiracial than Russia, see, for instance, the Koryo-Saram (a sizeable Korean minority in the Ukraine). At best, it’s two multiracial imperialist states against each other. Tell me when the Koryo-Saram are pressured to return home, along with the ‘Afro-Ukrainians’, Kurds, Turks and other sizeable non-white groups, and only then, and not a moment sooner, can one talk about the Ukraine as a ‘White nation’ and why this is an additional argument for supporting the Ukraine over a ‘multiracial empire’.
Now, it is obvious that neither side are ethnonationalists (though both sides use ethnonationalists as cannon fodder, since neither Ukrainian liberalism nor Russian realism are causes worth dying for, forcing them to seek out fighters motivated by higher causes such as racial or religious regeneration), and so the notion that those who favour Russia are false or hypocritical ethnonationalists is simply wrong. For should one also consider black or heebish ethnonationalism morally virtuous in the effort to be consistently ethnonationalist? I aver here that it is nonsense to claim that an ethnonationalist must, to avoid being inconsistent, morally support those forms of non-white ethnonationalism which are far more destructive than not.
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@ReasonRevolt
19 days ago
Smartest comment just end the thread and turn off the video.
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@CaesarAvg
18 days ago
Furthermore, Russia being a ‘multiracial empire’ is not much of a charge when issued by Americans, given that their country fits that description far better than Russia does, being far more multiracial and far more imperialistic. For if Russia is a ‘multiracial empire’, then the Ukraine is simply a smaller version of one, and what is more, it is dominated by the world’s most hegemonic one. For at this stage there are probably more non-whites in America than Russia’s total population.
So-called ‘petty nationalism’ should be the aim of ethnonationalists in the long-term. White solidarity in the face of an existential non-white threat is justified. However, if White solidarity denotes the amalgamation of all White ethnicities into something like White Americans already are, then it is evidently not. White Americans are thoroughly unworthy of emulation, which is why they are often ridiculed as 56%’ers and so forth. The various ethnicities must go their separate ways after the European race has achieved self-determination en bloc.
Similarly, when an American talks of a hypothetical Trump dictatorship and how bad it would be for ethnonationalists, he must remember that this hypothetical scenario was never seriously on the table, and that the scenario that is most likely to play out is the realization of what will soon be a de facto Democrat one-party state a la Liberia under their historical analogue to the Democrat Party, the ‘True Whigs’.
So we have the anti-ethnonationalist successors to Putin who will likely continue arresting WNs against the anti-ethnonationalist Democratic Party, whom will be unable to lose a Federal election, and whom will likely have people arrested for something as trivial as ‘misgendering’, just as their British counterparts already are?
Now, if one can be arrested for mere ‘misgendering’, what does that say about how WNs will be treated in the near-future? It says to me that they will soon be treated worse than in Russia.
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@JohnTheConfederate
19 days ago
You idiot, ethnic European Americans never voted to be replaced.
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@ronnycameron86
18 days ago
How does Joel manage to be so high energy and enthusiastic? his charisma is through the roof.
seriously bro, why do you always seem so nervous and low energy when you’re live? and why didn’t you set up the format so that the two could actually interact? whoever answered the questions second had an advantage in that they could refute the other without any further retort. gay
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@TheBeltingBalaclava
18 days ago
I have nothing against Greg Johnson, I actually like him quite a bit. However, he was all over the place. At around
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, in the span of just a couple minutes, he went from pro-NATO/US establishment global order, to accelerationism (economic downturn can only help nationalists), to borderline boomer kook (the war in Ukraine is only happening to distract us from covid mismanagement). My goodness.
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@ShlomoFinkelshnoz
18 days ago
Putin is prepared to wage war against the world to protect his own ethnic group from abuse by Ukrainians and Jews. He’s unilaterally redrawing political borders along ethnic lines. If you call yourself an ethno-nationalist but you oppose this, you’re just a fraud (and probably a literal cocksucker).
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@Iill_Frigg
17 days ago
Muh based Putin is so cucked he banned holocaust revisionism before most Western countries.. The dude is a total zog puppet bro, he’s just better at hiding it than western politicians.
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@charlie
18 days ago
There are roughly 750 US foreign military bases; they are spread across 80 nations! Imperial?
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@JohnConnor
18 days ago
I just dont give a shit about Ukraine, all i care about is watching Russia create more chaos to destabilize our clown world. As an ethno nationalist, I only care about my white people, not slavs, Asians etc etc
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@rwalte4454556
19 days ago
The Ukraine must accept multiculturalism, transgenderism and tolerance.
Debate me.
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
Microphones left open while not talking fucked up the audio quality, it seems.
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@irachailovich
19 days ago
I love white people, culture and heritage so much
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@Jeffrey-D
19 days ago
great debate guys , Im very suspicious about both sides
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@Echo_Harp
19 days ago
Hard to listen to it all the way through! Greg is either cowardly or devious. Probably both. Mark did everything right.
Anyone in favor of an ethnic nation-state should avoid using Zionist Israel as a model, as it is the most inhumane version imaginable.
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@Magura
19 days ago
Nato was absolutely created by conquest, it’s called world war II
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@Blankeon
19 days ago
What makes you all believe Putins government is not ZOG? Look up Putins inner circle, it is full of Zionist Jew billionaires. For example: Arkady Rotenberg, Boris Rotenberg, Mikhail Fridman, Berel Lazar, Viatcheslav Moshe Kantor, Petr Aven, German Khan, Roman Abramovich, Viktor Vekselberg, Oleg Deripaska, Eugene Shvidler, Leonid Mikhelson, God Nisanov & Alexander Knaster.
This war is just ZOG West versus ZOG East with white people suffering the consequences.
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@whitefields
19 days ago
Heads up. Putin going hard on nazis in the newly acquired regions. What a shitshow western white nationalism has become.
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@Blankeon
19 days ago

@whitefields
Correct. It is not even legal to be NatSoc or ethno-nationalist in Russia anyway. Actual Russian ethno-nationalists side with Ukraine in this war. For example Denis Nikitin of White Rex, Tesak of Format 18, Alexey Levkin & Dmitry Demushkin.
https://www.dw.com/en/russias-far-right-divided-on-ukraine-war/a-62172798
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@whitefields
17 days ago
I have not heard of them. I just really hate pootin.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
Fucking Based lol
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@Hagnar
19 days ago
Because either they are all paid or absolutely retarded. Those that don’t get that Putin is in the hands of the Jews have lost it.
Also strange that my comment talking about just this is “gone”.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
Zelenskyy and other major Ukrainian politicians are actual Jews. We know Ukraine is run by Jews. Russia has reduced Jewish power within Russia. With Russia gone the US will almost control the entire world. You don’t really seem to care how this will effect European peoples.
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@Hagnar
18 days ago
Try this with actual retards or young people who still buy into your absolute shit.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
No one has said the Putin isn’t working with Jews, but Ukraine is literally ran by Jews that took over Ukraine after a US backed colour revolution. If Russia survives American hegemony is that much more under threat. Let me guess you’re a republican voter, and an American patriot type. America is the largest threat to white people. Russia is a threat to America.
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@Blankeon
18 days ago
Argyrodes is too much of a coward to allow me to reply to him I see. Well I see nothing but Kremlin bots claiming that Putin is fighting against ZOG and that Russia does not have Jewish influence in their government like America does. No I am not American and I only see right-wingers in the Anglosphere supporting Putin, 90% of European nationalists sure do not. What makes you think it is better for us to be ruled by Putins multiracial Judaic empire than the American multiracial Judaic empire? It makes no difference and this war is completely pointless. The only good outcome of the war is if both the Russian government and American government fall apart because of this war.
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@Iill_Frigg
17 days ago
I agree!! The only people who benifits from this war is the tribe that wants white gentiles dead and buried. Its all sorted so sad 💔
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@ArcadeFate65
17 days ago
Apparently the Js don’t control the world’s governments and never controlled Russia, it’s just “the West”. Controlled dialectical conflicts don’t exist goy! Next I’ll be told that domestic party politics and left v right is real.
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@Magura
19 days ago
You think Hungary would ever accept Ukraine as an ally when they are currently genociding Hungarians in Ukraine? The only acceptable solution for us is the destruction of Ukraine and our territory returned to us.
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@rtfakt
19 days ago
Listening to Greg’s faggot voice, (he was evidently too pussy to show his effeminate face), regurgitating trite jew msm talking points, is really difficult. Mark Collett absolutely wiped the floor with this retard
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@runtsmeadow
19 days ago
Mark and Greg are both good people and they both have some good takes, but both of them say some silly things. Greg’s idea of arming Ukraine is mad, and Mark’s view of Russia is naïve, along with his use of the ancient leftist claim that America controls Britain’s warheads. Maybe we need a moratorium on talking about Ukraine, since it’s so divisive.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
Said like a true leftists. You call for censorship.
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@runtsmeadow
18 days ago
The fingers move, the keyboard clicks, but Mr Brain is on long-term sick leave, isn’t he?
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@SchlomoZahnstein
19 days ago
fuck gregs view on that war.
its dumb to support zog in any case, really.
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@Blankeon
19 days ago

@SchlomoZahnstein
What makes you believe Putins government is not ZOG? Look up Putins inner circle, Zionist Jew billionaires like: Arkady Rotenberg, Boris Rotenberg, Mikhail Fridman, Berel Lazar, Viatcheslav Moshe Kantor, Petr Aven, German Khan, Roman Abramovich, Viktor Vekselberg, Oleg Deripaska, Eugene Shvidler, Leonid Mikhelson, God Nisanov & Alexander Knaster.
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@SchlomoZahnstein
19 days ago
I have the same opinion as Mr. Collett on that topic, soo..
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
You just copy pasted this one comment that Putin has worked with Jews like any global leader has throughout the entire chat? That’s the only argument you have?
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@Blankeon
18 days ago
How does it matter that “any global leader in the world is working with the Jews”? And its not even true, Iran are not. And you are completely missing the point. The point is that Russia is just as Zionist as the West is.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
17 days ago
No, because Russia supports: Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, PLO, Assad, Armenia. A politician or cultural figure who criticizes Israel doesn’t get in trouble in Russia unlike in the West. Thousands of jews per month are fleeing. Larry Fink’s BlackRock and most of the western financial oligarchy that was trying to take over the country has left. I could understand your argument for neutrality, but when you look at just how jewed Ukraine is, come on man.
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@Blankeon
17 days ago

@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
I don’t see the relevance. Russia are just following the Duginist strategy of Third worldism, i.e. of allying with third world countries that already hate the West or turning them against the West. Why would I, as a European, support nations that would gladly mass murder me and my people if they had the opportunity?
Jews aren’t fleeing Russia because Russia is anti-Jewish, they are fleeing Russia because they know Russia will lose this war and that will be horrible for their business schemes. Jews are not loyal to any country other than Israel. They are simply parasitically using USA, Russia and Ukraine to leech off the hard work of the goyim with their subversive businesses.
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@Magura
19 days ago
Greg is gay and thus he knows instinctively that the USA is what is guaranteeing his existence.
Imperialism is good, we just need to be spreading actual healthy ways of living across the world, not telling parents to chop their kids dicks off. Thus the American empire and its vassals must be destroyed.
Ethnonationalism where anyone with a slight variation in identity can proclaim they are now a separate country is retarded.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
Keep voting republican you hardcore white nationalist you.
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@Magura
18 days ago
Voting is for idiots
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
17 days ago
You’re probably right about Greg’s subconscious motives. However, i’ll disagree that imperialism is good. There’s a middle ground between every little fucking spin off group gets a country to the point we double the UN members and giant blocs exploiting and taking what might be more easily acquired thru diplomacy and trade
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@Magura
17 days ago
There will always be war, and arguably it’s also desirable to have conflicts, as complacency breeds degeneracy and leads to the downfall of the society. The ethnonationalist utopia requires every ethnostate to cooperate with each other and no one trying to dominate or get a leg up on the other, which I think is absurd. Competition and the natural urge to increase your own and your groups power is human and healthy, which necessarily means some will dominate others, which leads to empires. In addition, there is no way we can actually protect the environment and prevent environmental destruction in countries that are not our own, unless we have an empire that dominates the globe. Otherwise you can tell poorer countries all you want, to stop exploiting resources, but they will consider their own wellbeing first. They necessarily need to be ruled over, in order for our vision to prevail. So ethnonationalism I think is basically dead in the water and sounds like a white nationalist version of hippies living happily ever after in peace. Not only is it unrealistic, I find it undesirable.
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@deadeye30o6
19 days ago
See i like to think they both debated there points beautifully on how screwed whites are ether in the west or east ,ah you guys just showed me a new Paradigm
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
We’ll see who’s screwed in the future you Marxist scum.
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@deemster
19 days ago
Greg brought some under-appreciated nuance to the analysis, and I don’t believe he was arguing in bad faith as Mark insinuated. However, I’d have to still give the debate to Mark due to Greg’s underestimation of the perverse appetite and ambitions of the Western globohomo establishment. It’s a sad situation all around, but I think Russia emerging semi-victorious and making the West look weak would be better for us than Ukraine becoming a portal for the West to spread pozz out over Eastern Europe (which is what will happen—the ethnats will be discarded once no longer needed). It is true though that Russia has it’s own grave demographic threat, and they tolerate plenty of degenerate trends… Definitely not a saviour, just a lesser evil in the short-term.
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@Jews_Genociding_Gentiles
19 days ago
Mark is 100% correct
Much love to Greg, but he’s emotionally attached to several false premises:
1) he doesn’t consider Russians White or European. This is false and a mistake. The Russ were Viking/Germanics/Slavs
Russians are White and at this point are far more culturally European than Western Europe’s current condition
2) He’s attached to the idea that White ethnicity is tractable without Christianity as a unifier. What is the historical evidence for this
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@Blankeon
19 days ago

@Jews_Genociding_Gentiles
1) Russia is at least 30% non-white and 25% islamic. Putins government has made ethno-nationalism illegal and believes anyone can become Russian as long as they like Russian culture. Putin does not care at all about Slavic identity.
2) Christianity is a Middle-Eastern religion. What makes it so important for white identity? The Ancient Greeks and Romans were far more intelligent and important for White civilizations than any of the Judaic revenge fantasies in the Bible.
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@Jews_Genociding_Gentiles
18 days ago
1) But he is not actively genociding White people. For all we know, he may privately want them to thrive. Huge difference with the Jewish-controlled countries, which is the main reason the Jews are attacking him so hard.
2) A people needs a creed in order to last through time. To cavalierly dismiss two thousand years of European culture, unified under the Christian creed and identity is reckless
White people stand no chance without a unifying creed, so what is going to replace it before we’re wiped out
Religions can take on almost any meaning. White people simply need to interpret Christianity in a manner that fits what is needed right now, which is survival
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@WarCriminal
19 days ago
Never heard of Greg Johnson why does he sound and talk like a Spencer clone
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@Saturnshines
19 days ago
Our opinions matter more than theirs.
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@W_Poe_White
19 days ago
Mark uses the phrase “Judeo-American Western Liberal Democracy.” This phrase misses the mark. The regime that rules America is certainly Judeo-American and it rules over the Western world but it is neither Liberal anymore nor is it genuinely democratic. It is a Globalist and proto-Technocratic regime ruled from behind closed doors by a plutocratic oligarchy wearing a democratic mask. This regime is actually a privatized authoritarianism which shrouds its exercise of unaccountable authority behind secrecy and propagandistic mystification.
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@westyisbesty
19 days ago
Greg legitimizes the concept of “racism” and “white supremacy” what a scumbag. These are just slurs for people who are not antiwhite enough. Might as well be an ADL spokesman.
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@W_Poe_White
20 days ago
The real purpose of NATO is to prevent the rise of genuinely nationalist governments in Europe and to enforce Judeo-Globalism.
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@Blankeon
19 days ago
The exact same thing can be said about Putins regime. It is illegal to be an ethno-nationalist in Russia.
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@W_Poe_White
19 days ago
You keep missing the point. The Putin regime is not good. Chabad dominates the mobbed-up oligarchic economy. Putin, either out of sympathy, or more likely, out of recognition of the formidable Jewish power in Russia, takes a philo-Semitic line. It is still better to have a separate power center in Russia – which at present is less virulently and aggressively anti-White than the US, UK and EU – than to have power over all these regions consolidated in the hands of the same group of Western-based Zionist Globalist elites.
The essential point is that this war was engineered into existence by the Judeo-Globalist Western elites to weaken both Ukraine and Russia, on the way to absorbing them – and all of Eastern Europe – into the Western Judeo-Globalist power sphere. That would be disastrous for the White European peoples. Hungary and Poland would not long holdout against pressure from Brussels if Russia goes the way of Western Europe and the US.
Ukraine and the US are responsible for prolonging this war. The US needs to stop supplying Ukraine with weapons and Ukraine needs to agree to not join the EU or NATO. This is the only solution which protects the people of Ukraine, Russia, the rest of Eastern Europe and the entire West. Russia will not allow itself to be encircled and the crushing of a substantially independent Russia would be a disaster for us. So hoping for a Ukrainian “victory” is beyond stupid.
Supporting the prolongation of the war by Ukraine is objectively supporting the agenda of the Judeo-Globalist Western elites. How can you fail to see this?
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@Saint_Basil
15 days ago
Don’t forget the main aim; to keep Germany down.
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@Wompum
20 days ago
Putin expelled much of the poz favored by the west which was happily looting them during the post soviet era, ukraine was poz party 2.0.
And fertility rates, lol Ukraines is even lower, now its just done, you fed all their young men into the meat grinder, and the young women have been exported to dubai and onlyfans, good job white nationalist!
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@W_Poe_White
20 days ago
I’m very disappointed in Greg Johnson. He shows very poor comprehension regarding the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian war.
The issue is not whether to be pro-Ukrainian or pro-Russian. There is plenty wrong with Putin and Russia. Russia, however, remains an independent power not under the control of the Judeo-Western elites controlling the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the EU.
The real blame for this war lies with the Judeo-Western elites in collusion with pro-Judeo-Western subversive elements within Ukraine. They have engaged in machinations, not least by engineering the 2014 Maidan coup (which Greg inanely believes to be a genuine Ukrainian nationalist revolution!), aiming at bringing Ukraine into the EU and NATO and hence into the Judeo-Western sphere of influence. This is encirclement of Russia, which Russia cannot allow on basic geopolitical principles.
The Judeo-Western elites knew this of course, and were deliberately aiming to start the war which now rages.
What keeps this war going is the indefensible refusal of the Western client regime in Kiev to agree not to join the EU or NATO. The West must cease trying to bring Ukraine into its sphere of influence. This is essential to reestablishing and preserving international peace.
Why have the Judeo-Western elites brought this war about? Obviously to weaken both Ukraine and Russia as a step toward ultimately bringing both, together with all of Eastern Europe, under Judeo-Western hegemonic control. This would be a catastrophe for Europe and the White race.
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@drofarihm
20 days ago
I don’t like that guy Joel – he seems like an infiltrator. Watch him. My gut feeling tells me he’s a rat. I trust my initial Feelings about people.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
17 days ago
Thomas Sewell, is that you?
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@markymarkali
20 days ago
Russia is an AIDS ridden shithole of mongrels. fuck any dumb idiot that supports muh based kike Putin
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
That’s just Siberia, and it’s mostly Turkic drug addicts spreading the AIDS not fags like Greg.
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@telefrag
20 days ago
“NATO is pro-White”. This is the strangest White nationalist I’ve heard yet. Never had I seen anyone from this sphere shill for ZOG’s side in this war before. I’m not loving his arguments either.
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@W_Poe_White
20 days ago
The real purpose of NATO is to prevent the rise of genuinely nationalist governments in Europe and to enforce Judeo-Globalism. It’s a thinly veiled form of Judeo-American occupation which has existed since WWII. I can’t understand how Johnson could fail to see this.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
We know that NATO is not pro white it’s just choosing the lesser of 2 evils, we still have most of our Freedoms intact and can protest/dissent legally right now, if Russia and China (allies with each other) take over EU/Canada/Unites states all that will be gone and all WN’s imprisoned and total censorship, Putin is literally Anti-White and holding an International Antifascist Conference:
https://thepostmillennial.com/russia-to-host-first-international-antifascist-conference-to-fight-nazism
Literally King Antifa
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@lewpers
20 days ago
Greg is dull
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@Bolly
13 days ago
& gay
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@FellowAethelweard
20 days ago
Imagine a world where Humanity was only White european. What a Utopia. We would only fear climate change and unlikely possible alien invasion. Imagine not fearing about immigration or mirgants or niggers or Kikes, race traitors and race mixing.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
Climate change doesn’t exist.
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@Euclid
20 days ago
Mark won by miles.
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@TadhgORourke
20 days ago
Thank you for hosting these important discussions. You definitely need more views
on this one.
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@Freikorps
20 days ago
“The Maidan revolution which I call a glorious outburst of Ukrainian nationalism, and Russians slander as an American intelligence operation” – Greg Johnson in his opening statement
It doesn’t take a Russian to see that it was a US intelligence run color revolution
Russian slander didn’t choreograph 4k videos with models from what was supposed to be independent journalists during the “revolution”
Russian slander didn’t fly all of Ukraine’s gold to NYC the night its government was overthrown
Russian slander didn’t have tribe member Victoria Nuland of the US state dept directing who was going to go where in Ukraine’s “elections” on a recorded call
Russian slander didn’t install the (then VP) president’s son on the board of a Ukrainian energy company as a bribe
Russian slander didn’t have multiple rapid fire “elections” until a jewish comedian got into the highest office in Ukraine
Russian slander didn’t cynically start a battalion of nationalists that got sold out by their leadership, funded by Israeli billionaire Ihor Kolomoyskyi, and put out to slaughter for a solely political objective
Russian slander didn’t promptly start importing non White en masse like every US vassal state is forced to
Russian slander didn’t start having pride parades in a country where the populace is vehemently opposed to such things, like every US vassal state is forced to
I could go on with the examples
Even patriotards saw through that thinly veiled color revolution as it was happening, not to mention the fruits it has borne since then which make the picture far clearer
As a supposed dissident if you think any of the above isn’t indicative of a US intelligence op then you’re either compromised, disingenuous, or laughably unqualified to comment on international affairs
As a supposed nationalist if you think any of the above is a “glorious outburst of nationalism” then consider calling yourself something else entirely
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
It’s comments like this why this debate was held. Now I can get all these great points out there against anyone on the right that is a anti-Russian.
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@Mighty_Whitey
21 days ago
No fags, no jews
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
Then you will love Putin who surrounds himself with jews and who jews in Russia says they love, quote “Putin might not be good for Russia, but he sure is good for jews”.
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@Mighty_Whitey
20 days ago
Slobaknob 4 Ukraine, faggot
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@Hagnar
19 days ago
Please stop telling the truth, these Russia shills do not like hearing that!
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@Prussian.Space.Marine
19 days ago
Here’s Smithers. Being a stan for Greg every time the word fag is mentioned.
But’s HE’S NOT GAY.
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@Bolly
14 days ago
Exactly. How grotesque is it that there is an actual music video where the KIKE Zelensky dances in drag, high heels etc?! That is literally JEWISH AND GAY. Fuck that.
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@Me
21 days ago
As always Mark makes great points, and as always he’s more interested in ‘winning’ than cohesion. Lack of unity is the Achilles heel of this movement.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
20 days ago
nigger it’s a debate this is a new cope, Mark lost because he won so hard. How can there be “unity” with homosexual zionists who support Trump and the EU?
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
Agree. I like the guy, but he has a really cunty tone and is obviously wrong about this. Except when it comes to NATO; because I don’t like Nato either. But being for an invasion of Ukraine is absolutley anti-nationalistic and retarded
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@awhyte.manne
21 days ago
you did great as a moderator, well done Joel. Mark of course gets my vote
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@Jötunnheimr
19 days ago
So you’re for Russia invading a soverign white country and killing their population? 😀 And you don’t have a problem with Putin surrounding himself with jews and Rabbis saying things like “Putin might not be good for Russia, but he is good for jews”. And Putin celebrating “multicultural Russia” and that the sole reason for invading Ukraine is “Killing Nazis”. You fucking traitorous commie.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
The absolute State of White Nationalism, Right wingers have become the Commies and the Far left has become the Nazis lol, De-Nazification=Kill Whitey
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@TheThinRedLine
21 days ago
The whole conflict began with the CIA backed maidan coup against the democratically elected pro Russian Yanukovych
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@TheThinRedLine
21 days ago
whether Russia has performed poorly militarily: Remember that the US and the rest of the west have emptied they weapon stocks into Ukraine not to mention the large military intelligence and reconnaissance assistance they have had , so Russia have de facto not been fighting Ukraine but the entire west
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
i wouldnt be surprised if russia wins in the end, though i support ukraine sovereignty as my White brothers.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
In your above commit you tried to claim the American empire is the West, so your opinion doesn’t matter.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
Weapons stocks will never be empty man, We have the biggest weapons manufacturing plants in the world lol
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@TheThinRedLine
18 days ago
You are wrong the American army has stated this themselves remember this is not a wartime economy and many weapon systems are used faster than they are produced
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@DavidPrice
18 days ago
America has used up something like a couple year’s worth of Javelin missile launchers. They’re very complex and only about 800 are built a year.
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@pjm77
21 days ago
The homosexual has no option but to support ZOG when push comes to shove.
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
This comment was slimed to death.
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@Prussian.Space.Marine
20 days ago
Tell me you enjoy having your shit pushed in without telling me..
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@pjm77
19 days ago
OK. So you have an opinion about me.
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
He is an unabashed wignat and he doesnt push an LGBT agenda. He is also extremely knowledgeable, so i support Greg Johnson. I support Mark too. i just dont agree with him on ukraine. i must side with the White ethnostate over the multi racial empire.
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@pjm77
19 days ago
I’m not accusing him of pushing LGBT agenda, I know he doesn’t do that. I also value his intellectual contributions. I just believe that faggots shouldn’t be in charge, because they are prone to making incorrect decisions under pressure. They tend to be emotional just like women. This was is not about Ukraine. This is a ZOG proxy war and Ukrainian people don’t matter.
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
the ukranian people matter to me. russia is just anti West ultimately. the same assholes who push the lgbt in the west then tell us the west is irreedeemable and must be destroyed cause Gay. not that i like the current american government its anti White AF.
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@SultrySerenade
19 days ago
i support lollipops and caramel covered driveways. Russia is not fighting a ethnostate so your point.. well you don’t have a point. You are lost in the sauce.
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
Homosexuality is all over the world including islam, not like “zog” is the only place it comes from. Thats anti West propaganda.
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@pjm77
19 days ago
Do you think faggots in islamic countries on average support their local religious regimes or push for ZOG color revolutions when given choice?
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
youll never talk me into supporting a multi racial empire against a White country defending its sovereignty. heh.
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@pjm77
19 days ago
I think your position is simplistic and glosses over many other important variables. This is not what this war is about.
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
i think you are a bullshit artist who likes to think he has enough information to determine he sides with multi racial russia against nationalist ukraine
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
you rationalize destroying a White country that is nationalist cause geo politics you think you understand. anti whites are happy
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@Saint_Basil
15 days ago
This is absolutely correct. Greg’s only position seems to be that he only wants to engage in sodomy with whites. He has no moral argument, being openly and proudly immoral himself.
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@JohnnyDiDio
21 days ago
Greg is a homo; nobody should take him seriously. Why anyone listens to lispy pillow biters like this is beyond me.
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
Another Russian hired faggot. Go and suck of Putin the manlet cunt, you little twerp.
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@JohnnyDiDio
20 days ago
I take money from the Kremlin and you take a dick in your ass. One is objectively superior to the other you fucking kike.
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
Im not a homosexual like you seem to be, since you are the one talking about dicks in asses all the time, weirdo homo. You also sound like someone with like 50 IQ. Nobody wants you in the movement. Gtfo.
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@JohnnyDiDio
20 days ago
Nobody want people like you or Greg, the admitted zionist, in this movement. You want to talk about 50 IQ, when you can’t even English properly.
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
No nobody likes autistic spergs who are fat and has never been to the gym and looks like those clowns in KKK, and cannot behave normally, but behaves like a complete antisocial weirdo 100% of the time. “when you can’t even english properly” LMAO. Just put one between your eyes.
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@Prussian.Space.Marine
20 days ago
Am I going to find this diddler defending spunk slonking under every comment?
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@Jötunnheimr
19 days ago
Paid russia shill, paid russia shill. Paid russia shill, paid russia shill. Paid russia shill, paid russia shill. Paid russia shill, paid russia shill. Paid russia shill, paid russia shill. Paid russia shill, paid russia shill. Paid russia shill, paid russia shill.
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@Prussian.Space.Marine
19 days ago
Smithers.
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@SultrySerenade
19 days ago
I’m going through thread and your butt hurt drivel is in every reply thread on this video. You dont have a leg to stand on and think everyone is Putins puppet LOL welcome to 2016 Twitter.
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@TheThinRedLine
21 days ago
the Judeo American empire musty fall for white people to be free
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
lets destroy the west to save it. heh.
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@exposingjews
18 days ago
He said America not the west moron.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
America,Canada,Australia and Europe are the West moron, Majority European
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@exposingjews
18 days ago
We are North America not Western Europe.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
Ya we’ll be so totally Free under Russian and Chinese Communism you Retard, You think you’re getting censored now huh!
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@TheThinRedLine
18 days ago
that is not relevant they are not going to occupy us but we need a multipolar world so that there is some counterweight to American hegemony
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
It is relevant they will try to occupy us, they have allready co-opted our governments and tried to Death jab everyone for the past 2 years are you retarded?
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
No we need a world controlled by White Europeans again and Not Mongoloids, Arabs or Africans nor Indians
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@TheThinRedLine
21 days ago
How can you be pro Nato ?
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
Nato is just a defense pact, they dont dictate immigration. how can you be against the White country fighting the multi racial empire of Russia? heh.
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@SultrySerenade
19 days ago
how can you be this stupid and uninformed?
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
18 days ago
This is what NATO says they believe in, or do you now like Diversity and Inclusion programmes?
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_64099.htm#:~:text=NATO%20highly%20values%20inclusion%20and%20perceives%20diversity%20as,people%20with%20different%20skills%2C%20backgrounds%2C%20experiences%20and%20cultures
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@lewpers
13 days ago
LOL, you’re fucking gay
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@weltschmerz
21 days ago
First the dissident right was astroturfed into obsessing over the non issue of Covid that has nothing to do with white people and now they have been manipulated into supporting the killings of actual white nazis defending their homelands. The dissident right is a joke.
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@Mighty_Whitey
21 days ago
Azov are fake as fuck, dumb shit
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@weltschmerz
20 days ago
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@Whiteeconomicforum20XX
19 days ago
Go outside
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@Jötunnheimr
19 days ago
Anyone who is for a white sovereign nation being invaded by disgusting chechen mutts who is killing their population is obviously not on our side 🙂 You’re a paid shill.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
20 days ago
Wait a moment, so is Covid a non-issue or is Putin bad because masks? Look at your fucking side dude. Greg Johnson blamed inflation on fucking covid lockdowns instead of sanctions.
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@DOLO
20 days ago
It’s quite telling that you would use the insulting term Nazi, instead of the appropriate term National Socialist.
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@weltschmerz
20 days ago
The fact that you consider Nazi an insulting term speaks volumes about you and your commie traitorous scum that has infiltrated our movement.
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@DOLO
20 days ago
It’s an insulting term created by their enemies, like calling the conservatives in Britain Tory, it’s the same thing. It means something like a backwards peasant i believe, and originated in Bavaria.
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@runtsmeadow
19 days ago
Although Rockwell used it.
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@Jötunnheimr
19 days ago
The paid Russian shills are out in full force here 🙂 It’s comical 🙂
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
15 days ago
I think the only Kremlin agent in here is you faggot. I mean, your pedantry and hyper-aggressive stupidity actually makes Ukraine and America look worse! Trojan horse.
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@FlankerVT
21 days ago
Mark won this debate.
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
I think Mark has lost it. He is basically behaving like a bought propaganda asset for Russia. And his views
are very contradictory. In one way he is claiming he wants whites to have soverigty, but in the other he says it’s right that Russia has invaded Ukraine, even tho they kill ethnic whites…. lmao.
Also to say Russia is not a dictatorship and say things like “it’s a big country and in a big country you will have many etnicites”, what kind of retarded argument is that?
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@whitefields
19 days ago
There are other pro-white creators who have a different take on this situation. They are not theatre content and understand the seriousness of this war and world events.
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@W_Poe_White
20 days ago
Greg’s takes were embarrassingly bad. As in Richard Spencer tier cringe.
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@Saturnshines
19 days ago
I can’t see how anyone can back Ukraine. Not talking about the average person over there. Talking about their leadership.
With what is happening to Western Europe, one would think Ukraine would want to be under the protection of Russia.
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@Jötunnheimr
19 days ago
So you’re for Russia invading a soverign white country and killing their population? 😀 And you don’t have a problem with Putin surrounding himself with jews and Rabbis saying things like “Putin might not be good for Russia, but he is good for jews”. And Putin celebrating “multicultural Russia” and that the sole reason for invading Ukraine is “Killing Nazis”. You fucking traitorous commie.
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@W_Poe_White
19 days ago
That’s a very silly line of talk, (((troll Judenheimr))).
Ukraine is not powerful enough to be a purely sovereign country – not so long as other, greater powers exist and are interested in the geopolitical adherence of Ukraine.
The true fault for this war lies in the machinations of Judeo-Western elites in collusion with pro-Judeo-Western subversive elements within Ukraine like Zelenskyy, Arseny Yatseniuk, Vitali Klitschko, and oligarchs Igor Kholomoyskyi (who these days has moved on from Ukraine to Israel and Cyprus), Victor Pinchuk and Rinat Ahkmetov (who is an opportunistic Tatar rather than a Jew or half-Jew like the rest I have named).
Russia will not allow itself to be encircled through Ukraine joining the EU or NATO. The bottom line: there would be no war if Ukraine were not being steered into the Judeo-Western power sphere by pro-Judeo-Western elements such as those I named, in particular into joining the EU and NATO, and hence falling under the power of the Judeo-Western Zionist Globalist elites.
THE WAR COULD BE STOPPED VERY QUICKLY IF UKRAINE AGREED NOT TO JOIN THE EU OR NATO. This, and only this, is the path back to peace.
The ultimate goal of the Judeo-Western elites in weaponizing Ukraine against Russia is to bring Russia and all Eastern Europe under their control. This would be a giant step toward realizing their dream of a Globalist New World Order.
The problems with Putin and Russia are very real (in particular, the power of Chabad within Russia and Eurasianism). However, consolidation of control of all Europe under Judeo-Western elites would be a grave disaster for the White European peoples. The lesser evil here is to let Russia remain an independent power center, flawed as it is.
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@SultrySerenade
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Yes. I fully support Russia stopping the Western Forces controlling Ukraine to fail. I see no other rational option. You sound extremely dull and uninformed what was done to Russian people in Ukraine during 2005 and after. Mark not only dominated the debate but Greg proved he is emotional uninformed and completely unhinged on this topic. You seem similar. Like Comically so.
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@Jötunnheimr
17 days ago
You didn’t adress even one of my fucking points, you traitorus commie.
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@SultrySerenade
17 days ago
I answered, Yes. After the western backed coup and the torture, rape and genocide of ethnic Russians in Donbas, the installation of biological warfare laboratories experimenting on viruses and the ridiculous arrogance of Western leaders which led to the failed talks and negotiations; I support Russia doing whatever is necessary to secure at least the eastern half of Ukraine. The problem is you don’t have a argument and you’re incompetent like doofy libshits stuck on a CNN/MSNBC i.v.
there are hundreds of comments, the Duran, Rollo on substack, Scott Ritter, and many others have been accurately following and covering this since before it began. Update your software.
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@Jötunnheimr
17 days ago
Lmao, did you cite that directly from the Russian propagandabook? You fucking idiot, i’m saying his sole reasoning for invading Ukraine has been to rid Ukraine of fascists / Nazis and you say i’m a leftist? You absolute moron.
Yes I have the only argument required, Russia has invaded another sovereign white nation and is killing it’s population and you are for it. You’re a commie russian propaganda shill.
Don’t ever fucking mention CNN and calling me a lib, you retarded piece of shit. Im not even American like you are.
You like the average CNN NPC with 50 IQ, cannot even keep two things in your head at the same time. You’re not a nationalist, that much is 100% sure.
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@SultrySerenade
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you are completely unhinged, like i said, comically so. You also have severe reading comprehension problems and are overtly emotional. Comically so. Nothing about Ukraine is sovereign, their entire government was co-opted and the new officials were hand selected by Victoria Nuland. You are completely out of your depth. This entire situation is the fault of arrogant provoking Western Forces. You are just as doofy and mentally oafish and simple as any CNN/MSNBC watcher. Walking incompetence and you are insistent in your wallowing incompetence, quite a sight.. All you can do is throw a tantrum and name call. Oh no some idiot who doesn’t understand current geo-politics is calling me a commie russian shill.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
15 days ago
Yet all of the CNN NPC’s “stand with Ukraine.” John Stewart Leibowitz gave an award to an Azov Battallion member and all of the libtards who had pronouns in bio were happy. So, why do you agree with all of them?
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@pjm77
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Yes.
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@Hagnar
21 days ago
Mark was the better debater but he is pretty much a shill for Russia. Why does he always talk about the “Judao-Liberal American empire” but ignore the fact that Russia is just as Jewish? If he is honest guy without being some kind of shill, why does an intelligent man like Collett not understand that Jews always work dialectical? They always control both sides of a conflict, this should be especially clear in this case as Russia is NOT HIDING IT!!
Greg Johnson argues like a liberal who oddly happens to be a White nationalist, Collett argues like a Russian shill and seems very dishonest. Bad bad debate……
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@Epsteins_Island_Paradise
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Russia is far less jewish. Putin is one of the few leaders who has named “Jews” as disloyal. Russia doesn’t have anti-White programming 24 hours a day like the West. How many Jews in Russia’s govt? One. I’m Ukraine and USA? Many.
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@Hagnar
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There are literally Rabbis saying “Putin may be bad for Russia but good for Jews” he is is literally fighting a war against “Nazis”, Putin boasted to Rabbis that the Soviet Union was a Jewish creation, Putin criminalized Holocaust denial, under Putin the biggest Jewish museum was made etc…
Are all you people retarded or part of intelligence?
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@Jötunnheimr
19 days ago
Anyone who is for a white sovereign nation being invaded by disgusting chechen mutts who is killing their population is obviously not on our side 🙂 You’re a paid shill.
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@ArcadeFate65
20 days ago
“Jews always work dialectical. They always control both sides of a conflict” It’s amazing to me how many people have claimed to know this, or should know it by now, yet seem to have totally forgotten. That much is obvious from reading through the comments.
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@4Mypeople
21 days ago
Mark Colette is a piece of shit and I hope he gets stabbed to death by a Paki
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@TheThinRedLine
21 days ago
Nick Griffin is that you ?
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@WesternResurrection
21 days ago
Psychos like you shouldn’t be allowed to have opinions.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
20 days ago
Russia bad because they are 15% non-White. NATO good despite being anti-White. But you want your rivals stabbed by the very non-Whites this evil judeo-American liberal democracy brought in. Yep, you need shock therapy you fucking crank
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@4Mypeople
20 days ago
This comment was slimed to death.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
20 days ago
Don’t you mean you are in fact, the tsar? Don’t worry, I won’t reveal your secret. The men in the white coats are your palace guards, they are just here for your own protection. I honestly hate making fun of you, because you are a legit mentally ill person.
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@4Mypeople
20 days ago
No I am a distant cousin
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
15 days ago
You’re also distant from reality.
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@4Mypeople
15 days ago
Not at all, my reality is grounded in science and facts, you people live in a delusional fantasy of False Ideology
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@MichaelB
21 days ago
Ukraine = ZOG = Azov! Slava Rossia!
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@Hagnar
21 days ago
Sure, Putin, a Chabad friend, and his Jewish oligarchs are not Zog….
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
20 days ago
Zionists control Russia so much that Russia sends advanced weaponry to Houthis, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and destroyed ISIS on behalf of Assad. Chabbad controls Putin so much, they are leaving in droves. Because that’s what you do when you control someone…retard
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@4Mypeople
20 days ago
Big Deal Jews fund both sides, always have, haven’t you ever read the Haavara Agreement or Hitlers Jewish Soldiers? Israel was treating Syrian Jihadi Rebels and Funds Hezbola, wake up man! Oh and Hitler was a Jew too
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@deadeye30o6
19 days ago
it would good if you made a video on Haavara Agreement my friend i and many others would definitely watch that video
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
17 days ago
Israel assisted rebels against Assad. They were controlled by America. Russia killed those rebels.
So, you oppose Russia but you also think Hitler is jewish and you’re anti-Nazi? So, you’re basically just a crazy person. Imagine thinking Hitler was jewish. I mean, what kind of psycho is Greg attracting. You’re literally here just to stir up trouble with bullshit like that. I mean, How could I take that seriously.
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@4Mypeople
20 days ago
Both Sides are Zog, But I still stand with the White Nationalist Ukranians over Vlada-queer Jewtin and His Jewish Dual Citizen Billionaire Oligarchs, He literally wants to bring back the USSR and Stalinism and These Faggot controlled opposition fucks want him to plow over the west, Newsflash Mark, Putin Jails Idiots like you in Mother Russia
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@whitefields
19 days ago
Both sides are zog, the point is who do you side with in this war: the one that destroys your brother or do you side with the one defending your brother/homeland. If you answer yes to destroying, perhaps there is a bit of bolshevism/commie in one.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
Slava Ukraine! Death to Jewtin
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@Latvijasnacionālsociālists
20 days ago
fuck putins neo soviet shitole russia
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
Moskal Vatnik Mongoloid, alcoholic Aids infested, abortion capital of Eurasia, These people are all Crypto Commies Who suck the dick of Michael Penovitch, Fucking Duganists
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Russia is a multiethnic multicultural society invading lmao. Doesn’t mean Zelensky is good, but you are obviously retarded if you are for the invasion of Ukraine.
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@Mstivoj
21 days ago
Joel handled moderating the debate superbly. As for the debate itself, Greg is gay and his arguments are pathetic at best when confronted with reality. And his egalitarianism, i.e. a state for every group of people on the planet, presupposes a power that could force such a world order. The further Greg manifests himself, the more I get the feeling that he’s actually just a racist liberal. Literally.
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
Ok Russian troll. Greg obviously won this debate. 🙂 Mark has lost it completely and I like the guy normally. But on this question he is completely retarded being for an invasion of another soverign nation. Absolutley crazy. And then putting your trust into Russia who has threatened Europe with nuclear strikes… lmao. What on earth is he on?
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
You don’t believe other nations should not be raped by ZOG as Europeans should not be raped by ZOG? So what are you some kind of anarcho-capitalist American that is ok with globalism as long as it’s not in America?
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@kiro_darkpaw
21 days ago
Mark is clearly correct.
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@Jötunnheimr
20 days ago
Nice Try Russian Troll 🙂 How much do you get paid? I think Mark has completely lost it. He has some points, but in the larger aspect he is obviously wrong and it’s very strange that he defends everything about Russia. Where is the balance? Lmao.. it’s like he is bought to say all of this.
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@Argyrodes
18 days ago
Your opinion doesn’t matter pro-American empire shill.
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@SugiPulaFraiere
21 days ago
sounds to me that the white race must choose who to mix with. On one side, you have judeo-nato, that wants the whites to racemix with africans, and on the other hand, you have russia who wants the whites to racemix with the asians. SO in the end, you have to choose between big booty mulatto girls, or whasian hentai egirls. Which way white man? which way? yellow fever or jungle fever?
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@Blankeon
19 days ago
True unfortunately. We need to fight for ourselves. Not Putins mongol horde Russia or Bidens negro worshipping America.
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@SugiPulaFraiere
17 days ago
still… them anime girls got me rooting for mongussy…
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
21 days ago
List of Greg’s most outrageous statements:
1. NATO is pro-White because the countries that created it were pro-White. I agree that the founding of a thing creates an inherent quality about it that can be extrapolated into the future to some degree–but to imply that nothing has changed since 1950 is ludicrous. Besides, it was founded by the powers that destroyed fascism in Western Europe. The guys firebombing Dresden and Cologne (something Putin actually brought up in his speech) were not pro-White. Truman already desegregated the military by then also.
The Russian empire needs to downsize. So, spin off all of the non-Whites into their own states. Essentially, this would allow China, American and foreign jewish capital to split the spoils and control the resources of these new states leaving the minority Russians living there in jeopardy.
Ukrainians are seeking self-determination and as a buffer state they’d be controlled by Moscow. Says the guy who thinks that integrating Ukraine into the EU, World Bank, IMF, NATO would allow them to maintain sovereignty. I mean, Greg literally said when other nations have a veto over your country, you lack self-determination. EU AND VETO!
Ukraine would join the “sensible” bloc along with Hungary and Poland. Orban is sensible because he plays both sides in this conflict rather than choosing to throw his country’s lot in with America. That’s why Hungarians won’t starve or freeze this winter. Poland on the other hand is not sensible–otherwise it wouldn’t unilaterally shut up imports of coal while demanding 1.3 trillion from Germany for “reparations”.
Euromaidan was a genuine Nationalist uprising and not a CIA coup. This is self-evidently false.
See next.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
21 days ago
Greg says he is a Zionist. b-but Mark, if we don’t support Israel, where will the jews goes? That’s not my problem. They are the surge of humanity, oppressing and destroying every society they encounter. Maybe THEY should figure out where they are going. That’s like saying, well guys, we can’t abolish slavery because who will pick the cotton?
Intermarium: If NATO is so great, why do you need this concept in the first place? Why resurrect the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (which is multicultural, so much for ethnonationalism) if NATO is so pro-White? You don’t need it. That would imply some power bloc was needed to resist American imperialism after all!
Georgia and Ukraine should join NATO. Keep poking the bear, keep poking the bear, keep poking the bear. OH LOOK THE BEAR WOKE UP AND MAULED, ME HOW DARE YOU!!!
Azov (which was already destroyed at Mariupol) and the right wing militias will put Ukraine back on track. Banderites who have been integrated into the regular Ukrainian army fighting for Elensky will not do anything helpful. Their time to strike was when Russian forces engaged Kiev and assisted the Russians. When Germany invaded the East, the locals who hated the Bolsheviks didn’t fight for them because they also hated Germany, they fought with Germany to topple them! Now that Azov (Israeli mercenary directed) is being reconstituted, do you really think they will persist in their NS ideology (which only 20 per cent of them actually had) in a country which has some of the most aggressive anti-Semitism ban laws in the world? Of course not.
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
Youre duped into supporting multi racial Russian empire against Ukraine, who is a lot more ethno nationalist than Russia, over vague geo political theory crafting.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
18 days ago
I came up with a laundry list of specific objections and you refuted or argued against none of them. So even by your own words, I win because you were vague. Also, Greg said he supports NATO, which is far more multi-racial at this point than Russia. Need I remind you that Turkey is in there! Look at American demos, Canadian demos, Germany, France (France the multiracial empire which keeps colonies all over South America, Pacific Islands and Africa, so until France gives us French Guiana in the same way you think Russia should voluntarily give up resource rich areas in Siberia or Caucasus, then you can shut the fuck up.)
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@Myst0r
6 hours ago
Are you ethnic Russian? Do you live under the RF?
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@FellowAethelweard
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JEWISH GOOGLE CENSORSHIP IS A REAL THING
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@FellowAethelweard
21 days ago
FUCKING JEW SUSAN FORCED JOEL TO PRIVATE THIS DEBATE ON HIS YOUTUBE CHANNEL
BIG REMINDER THAT FUCK JEW GOOGLE!!!
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@Bolly
14 days ago
GTK.
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@bellissimo999
14 days ago
calm down
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@Epsteins_Island_Paradise
21 days ago
LFG!! Great content! Love this kind of discourse.
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@JupitersCock
21 days ago
Mark is a great debater and very well-spoken. A true champion for white wellbeing and white interest.
One point over criticism though: In debates Mark too often uses hypotheses that he doesn’t need to use to support his core arguments. For example:
In the debate with Destiny: You don’t need to prove that demographic replacement is conscious plan; the elite does not have to consciously replace us for you to oppose replacement. You can just argue that through the progressive elite’s love of coloured voters and through the unopposed forces of capitalism, demographic replacement is taking place and that it should stop. No need to prove that it’s conscious plan (that is a whole other argument). Jared Taylor also never says it’s a conscious elite plan.
In this debate, to prove Russia is justified in its military operation in Ukraine, you only have to argue that:
NATO is encroaching on the sphere of influence of Russia (and every superpower protects its sphere of influence).
Russian minorities are oppressed and the areas deserve to be Russia.
Buy you DON’T have to defend the Russian state or Putin. You can even say that Russia sucks and the West is a better place to live in or whatever or that Ukraine and Russia both suck. That is a completely different argument and your opponent can attack you on that. You are only trying to prove that with regard to this particular conflict, Russia is technically in the right, regardless of whether Russia is good or bad.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
21 days ago
That would be true, however, Mark doesn’t believe that. That’s not his position (it’s not mine either) so Greg would be able to take what he’s been saying recently. Also, this goes back to the leadership of America First Committee during WWII. The debate was framed as: Germany is still very bad and we don’t like them but America should stay out. Instead, by making, even a weak case and I’d say it’s strong then with Germany and now with Russia, for the opposing power you force the opposition to argue with a harder position. Arguing technicalities or legalisms doesn’t inspire people.
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@PNW.Trader
19 days ago
youre technically smoking crack if you think multi racial empire russia is in the right against ukraine which is a White country and much more racial nationalist and whiter than Russia.
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@4Mypeople
18 days ago
Vlad-O-Queer Jewtin is King Antifa
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@Randomize
21 days ago
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@JupitersCock
21 days ago
Mark did remarkably.
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
21 days ago
Maybe the fact that literally like every other faggot, Greg agrees with you, should make you reconsider your position rather than the rest of us.
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@4Mypeople
20 days ago
IKR lol, Mongrel Mark The Crypto Commie Russia/China Schill
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@Current_Thing_Enjoyer
17 days ago
You said Hitler is a jew, so opinion discarded but anyway. Greg is the real China shill. If he gets his way and breaks up Russia and weakens those states, China will move in and take everything. If you think China having control over the Arctic is a good idea, you’re the real CCP’r
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@4Mypeople
15 days ago
Hitler was a Jew, Russia and China are allies, anyone shilling for Russia is by default a China Shill and a Communist, Russia and China are the enemy of all white people and the homes of Communism, stop trying to sell Communism to white people!
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[In this 31 minute video, Resurrection Europa outlines Jordan Peterson’s role as an anti-White shill for the Globalists, with attention to his role working for the UN and his editing of a report — “to strip out most of the ideological claptrap” — that outlines a Marxist like blueprint for one world government.

 

Peterson’s role can be likened to that of a Pied Piper, using his “Self-Help” platitudes, his declared opposition to extreme leftist positions, his rejection of “identity politics” (for White consumption only)and his promotion of the “individual”, to lure mostly young White males away from having any kind of group identity as Whites, that could defend White countries against the mass Third World invasions engineered by the Globalists. He directs them towards atomized individualism that is defenceless against the Jew World Order being imposed upon us.

 

Simply put, Peterson demonizes nationalist and identity politics for Whites — the only thing that will save Whites from racial and cultural destruction — because his words show, beneath his “only trying to help” camouflage, that he is anti-White and pro-Jew World Order.

 

“I don’t think that the Caucasian, let’s say, should revert to being ‘White’! I think that’s a bad idea! It’s a dangerous idea! And it’s coming fast! And I don’t like to see that.” — Peterson

 

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Resurrection Europa

 

A documentary exposing Jordan Peterson’s agenda to subvert and destroy the rising political right wing, and neutralize European nationalism.

 

This video completely exposes Peterson’s anti-White agenda and his strategy for implementing it. Any Peterson fans who are not beyond saving will be deprogrammed by watching this video.

 

Jordan Peterson’s primary goal is to neutralize the political right and White identity. He does not care about the Marxist take over of our nations, in fact he was hired by the United Nations to help usher it along. Peterson’s only reason for stepping into the limelight was because he saw a massive right wing backlash fomenting, and realized it was going to destroy the left.

 

His job is to implement “plan B“, to steer the rising tide of nationalism into an impotent cul-de-sac of centrist individualism, giving our enemies just enough time to tip the demographic balance of our countries so that our destruction is sealed.

 

Peterson is explicitly targeting young White males for indoctrination with an insidious political ideology he calls radical individualism. He has created a pseudo-religion self-help cult; he is delivering his ideology to the disaffected youth by combining it with a self-help regimen wrapped in empty religious metaphor.

 

While our enemies are working tirelessly to destroy our nations in a ruthlessly calculated and organized fashion, Jordan Peterson is brainwashing a generation of young White men to be atomized individuals who perceive group cooperation based on ethnic identity and nationality as the height of evil.

 

And in the process of doing so, Peterson and his friends are making untold millions of dollars.

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Sources of clips used in the video:

0:26 | 18:49
Jordan Peterson to Conservatives: Do NOT Play Identity Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjDra…

0:34
Jordan Peterson on European Pride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyoTG…

0:40
Jordan Peterson on political polarization & Pepe the Frog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoOd…

0:50 | 0:53 | 5:00 | 5:55 | 7:51
Joe Rogan Experience #1006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G59z…

0:59 | 23:28
The Metaphysics of Pepe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixc9i…

1:04
Political Correctness Debate ft. Stephen Fry, Jordan Peterson, Michael Dyson,

Michelle Goldberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYim…

1:18
Jordan Peterson – Can You Withstand Tragedy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5UOf…

1:20
Jordan Peterson Questioned on Alt-Right Fanbase | CLIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oJBJ…

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2016/10/24: My response
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmNKP…

8:58 | 9:31
Postmodernism and Cultural Marxism | Jordan B Peterson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoG9…

13:35 | 14:11 | 15:48
Jordan Peterson on European Pride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyoTG…

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Dr. Jordan Peterson lays out the case against postmodernism and the radical

left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc3z5…

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Noel Ignatiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4axV…

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Jordan Peterson | Mad About Pankaj Mishra Review & Examines Society/Tump

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVr5U…

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Jordan Peterson – Clean Up Your Room!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBR5v…

19:15
Jordan Peterson – Ideologies are Parasitical Memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZvI7…

19:39
The Frankfurt School & Cultural Marxism – 2 of 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkcy7…

22:40
Jordan Peterson Confronted with the Jewish Question by Brian Ruhe (short

version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-f2G…

24:01 | 28:29
2016/11/16: An update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8tV…

24:23
Jordan Peterson on political polarization & Pepe the Frog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoOd…

25:18
Free Bird Media Canada: Jordan Peterson and panelists explain why Faith Goldy was uninvited from Free Speech event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8zLc…

25:29
Jordan Peterson Debates Linguistics Professor On Gender Pronouns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1PeO…

26:08
Jordan Peterson on de platforming FAITH GOLDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIRk7…

26:48
Google Memo: Aftermath | Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdfV…

28:08
Jordan Peterson talks about the Arab-Israeli conflict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUs0…

29:32
Martin Weill face à Jordan Peterson, l’intellectuel aux théories masculinistes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzZDe…

 

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Peterson: I don’t think that the Caucasian, let’s say, should revert to being White! I think that’s a bad idea! It’s a dangerous idea!

 

 

 

What the hell! Pride! What’s that? That’s not the right response.

 

 

I think I understand what’s going on with the Kek Boys and with Pepe, a hell of a lot better than the people do who are, you know, casual observers of it, because I’ve actually studied it.

 

 

Starting to produce an extraordinarily dangerous counter position. The alt-Right, that’s part of it. The Kekistanis, it’s this Pepe thing.

 

 

I mean, when I first saw the frog, I mean, the Pepe frog, I really recoiled from it.

 

 

Media (male): More recently, what has gone wrong with the Right?

 

Peterson: Well, where? It’s threatening to go too far in identitarian Europe, that’s for sure.

 

 

With the people in Europe, who are turning to a regressive nationalism as an alternative to the current state of chaos.

 

 

Many people write me from the Right, from the fringes of the radical Right, saying precisely that listening to my lectures stopped them from going all the way.

 

 

 

Europa: Just what exactly is Jordan Peterson endgame?

 

 

It’s been just over two years now since he first appeared on the scene.

 

Peterson: I also said I wouldn’t mouth the words of the ideologically possessed. And that was with regards to gender neutral pronouns.

 

 

Europa: At first, everyone thought he was just a brave University professor who had had enough of the Cultural Marxist garbage that has taken over our society. That he’d snapped when the Canadian government announced it was going to legally mandate calling people “zim, zher, and zelf”

 

 

Peterson came out of the gate with some vicious rebukes of the political Left and even called them what they are: Cultural Marxists.

 

 

But it didn’t take long for Peterson to begin showing his true colors.

 

 

 

Nearly at the same time he was thrust into the spotlight for defying the social justice clique at the University of Toronto, Peterson began positioning himself to evangelize a very specific demographic: Young White males.

 

 

What followed after fall of 2016 was a meteoric rise to fame at the hands of the mainstream media, in which they made every effort to disguise as being organic.

 

 

Soon thereafter, his mission became plain to see.

 

 

 

Jordan Peterson’s primary goal is to neutralize the political Right.

 

 

There are a large number of people who believe that Peterson is a force for good, because he has criticized Left-wing politics and Cultural Marxism.

 

 

However what was his motivation for doing so? What was the straw that broke the camel’s back and caused Peterson to go public with his objections to Left-wing politics?

 

 

Did Jordan Peterson choose to sound the alarm at any point during his decades-long career as he witnessed the Cultural Marxist infiltration of academia transform hundreds of thousands of students into useful idiots?

 

 

No, he did not!

 

 

Did Jordan Peterson choose to alert the world to the danger of the Cultural Marxist subversion of the world governments as he worked at the United Nations?

 

 

Helping them write a Marxist document that outlined their plans for creating equality of outcome inside of and between every country on Earth.

 

 

No! He didn’t!

 

 

On the surface it might seem like his primary concern was the encroachment on the liberties of freedom of speech.

 

 

With his activism debut consisting of a YouTube video he published in the fall of 2016, where he expressed his refusal to speak to preferred pronouns of transsexuals. And his objection to Canadian federal legislation mandating speech of that nature.

 

 

However, very shortly after doing so Jordan Peterson gave an interview with the Canadian State non-media broadcaster, the CBC, in which he stated:

 

 

“I can tell you one thing that I’m very terrified of, and you can think about this. I think that the continual careless pushing of people by Left-wing radicals is dangerously waking up the Right-wing. So you can consider this a prophecy from me, if you want.

Inside the collective is a beast. And the beast uses it’s fists. If you wake up the Beast then violence emerges. I’m afraid that this continual pushing by radical Left-wingers is going to wake up the Beast!”

 

Peterson expressed his terror at the realization that he had, had.

 

 

That the takeover of Western academia, the media, and governments, by Cultural Marxists was catalyzing a response by the political Right.

 

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Peterson: Part of the reason that I landed in the political hot water that I landed in last year, was because I was increasingly aware that this process of polarization was going to take place. And that the continual, in my estimation anyways, the continual clawing of new ground underneath a radical Leftist rubric, especially in the universities, is starting to produce an extraordinarily dangerous counter position.

 

 

Europa: His analysis was that the policies and the aggressive dogma being churned out by the political Left were being done in a careless manner that was leading to what he believed would culminate in the political Left being neutralized by the Right-wing.

 

This is the real reason why Peterson decided he needed to step on to the public stage.

 

Not because he wants to dismantle Cultural Marxism, but, because he realized that the political Left current strategy for achieving their goals is in the process of backfiring spectacularly!

 

 

Bret Weinstein: What’s going on the Left is a bit of a new twist. What you have is a coalition of different tribal identities that aren’t large enough to marshal a force on their own. And so they’re united, and together they are a formidable force. But what’s going to happen is that’s an unstable entity. At the point that force gains power it’s going to come apart, as the internal dynamics rip it up! It’s not capable of restraining the version that recurs on the Right.

 

The version that does manifest as White Nationalism. That version is stable, because it does represent an actual population that has an evolutionary basis for remaining cohesive.

 

 

Europa: Jordan Peterson spent the last two decades of his career watching academia become infested to the gills with Marxist intellectuals.

 

 

Watching as hundreds of thousands of students were radicalized by their propaganda.

 

 

Watching as their rhetoric and demands became more, and more, extreme, while he sat back idly and did nothing!

 

 

Remember also that Peterson proudly worked at the United Nations from 2009 until 2012 for George Soros’ protege, Jim Balsillie.

 

 

Where he helped draft a Cultural Marxist document that outlined how the Western world’s wealth must be redistributed to the Third World.

 

 

And how the West must also accept and subsidize illegal immigration from the Third World.

 

At no point in Peterson’s career, including while working at the United Nations, did he feel the need to sound the alarm about the cultural Marxists takeover of Western institutions!

 

 

What spurred Peterson to action, was not only his realization that the methodology by which the political left was implementing it’s revolution was triggering an organic reaction, but that, that reaction was fully capable of and likely to succeed in implementing a final solution to the Marxist problem.

 

 

Peterson: And your point Brett, that the radical Right actually is more powerful, once they get organized, is a really good one, because there’s no fractionation!

 

Bret Weinstein: It’s more stable.

 

Peterson: You bet! And they have all the guns! That’s another thing to think about.

 

Europa: And so Jordan Peterson decided to attempt to strangle the fledgling Right-wing in its cradle.

 

 

 

He proceeded to deploy a sophisticated attack, disguised cunningly as a centrist rebuke of political extremes. With that in reality was a message of reformation to the Left.

 

 

And what he intended to be a killing blow to the Right.

 

 

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Stratagem: Accuse Whites of playing Marxist identity politics.

 

 

One of Peterson’s most substantial achievements has been the instantiation in the minds of his followers the belief that Europeans working together to resist their collective dispossession, and extermination, is no different than Marxist identity politics.

 

 

 

 

Any concerted effort made by Whites as a group to resist dispossession by progressive government policies, or by mass immigration is condemned by Peterson as being a manifestation of Identity politics.

 

 

 

Peterson: The French intellectuals had to admit that communism was a bad deal by the end of the 1960s. And what happened was that they played a sleight-of-hand game in some sense, and rebranded themselves under the postmodern guise. And that’s where Identity politics came from.

 

 

Europa: According to Peterson, Identity politics are when a group identifies itself as being oppressed by another group and demands that the group that is oppressing them give up their wealth and power for redistribution amongst the oppressed group.

 

 

Peterson: And so they started to play a sleight of hand and instead of pitting the proletariat, the working class, against the bourgeoisie, they started to pit the oppressed against the oppressor. And that opened up the avenue to identifying any number of groups as oppressed, and oppressor, and to continue the same narrative under a different name.

 

 

Europa: Some may believe that when Peterson claims Whites are playing Identity politics, he is, in fact, describing any form of politics that aims to advance the interests of European people as a group.

 

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However, in reality, Peterson has, in fact, tried to construct a narrative in which Whites are literally trying to define an oppressed-oppressor dichotomy, to pursue Marxist identity politics.

 

 

In the spring of 2018 Peterson published a short article on his blog entitled, “On the so-called Jewish Question”. In that article he wrote:

 

“Why do the reactionary conspiracy theorists even bother? This is a straightforward matter. If you’re misguided enough to play identity politics, whether on the Left, or the right, you require a victim. In the right wing case, European culture, or some variant, and a perpetrator, jews! Otherwise you can’t play the game!”

 

 

 

Europa: So whenever Peterson dismisses and condemns Europeans as playing toxic Identity politics for working together to put an end to mass immigration that is rendering them a minority in their own countries, or for working together to put an end to the Marxist subversion of their nations that has hell-bent on incrementally dispossessing them, he is, in fact, making the claim that those Europeans want nothing more than to play the victim and demand redistribution of power from jews, to themselves.

 

 

It is with this sleight of hand that Peterson falsely equates White’s wanting to protect the demographic destiny of their own countries with totalitarianism, evil, and danger.

 

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Peterson’s fallacy here is plainly revealed when one considers the fact that both the USA and Canada both before World War Two, were classical liberal democracies that shed blood to defeat totalitarian regimes. And both countries strictly enforced the demographic character of their countries with immigration laws that nearly exclusively permitted European immigration only.

 

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Furthermore, when Peterson differentiates between men and women, it is no different than someone differentiating between races.

 

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It is a form of Identity politics that is based on objective biological reality, rather than any kind of ideology. And is thus the antithesis of Marxist class warfare Identity politics.

 

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Having established that White’s protecting their nations and the future of their children from certain destruction, is automatically tantamount to the instantiation of some flavor of totalitarian regime.

 

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Peterson’s next objective was to undermine the psychological foundations of European identity itself.

 

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Stratagem: Psychopathologize and deconstruct White identity.

 

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Peterson frequently uses his position of authority as a psychologist to psycho-pathologize White identity.

 

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More than once he has referred to Whites who desire to organize together to protect intergroup interests as “pathological”.

 

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At other times he likes to chastise Whites for committing the sin of racial pride, deeming it as well to be a pathology.

 

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During a talk, Peterson was confronted with a quote from Canadian historical sociologist and professor at the University of New Brunswick, Ricardo Duchesne. In the quote Duchene argued that for the underlying spirit of individualism to be preserved in the West, European people themselves must be preserved. Arguing that individualism was a trait that seems to be inherent to European peoples. Concluding that Europeans must therefore take pride in their ethnic identity and heritage as a means of self preservation. And therefore as a means of preserving the spirit of individualism itself.

 

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Rather than addressing the actual premises and conclusion of Duchesne’s argument, Peterson went on a tirade about how ethnic pride is sinful and unacceptable, casting scorn upon Duchene and other Whites who dare to take pride in their heritage and culture.

 

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Peterson: That’s nothing to be proud of! That is something to tremble before! To take on as an ethical burden! And not to wave a flag for how wonderful you are! That you happen to have the same skin color as some of the people who thought that up! It’s not the right response!

 

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Europa: Peterson’s chastisement of Europeans who take pride in their heritage and culture is based on the absurd assumption that any who do so are trying to literally take personal credit for the achievements of their ancestors.

 

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Peterson: So I don’t feel pride about that! I feel, I feel like I have something to live up to! That’s not the same thing man! And so, these right-wingers and this it’s like, look what we’ve done! It’s like no! It’s not you that did that! That’s something man! You’ve got to have your act together before you would dare to say “well that was me!” it’s like, yeah, sure, sure it was you! Yeah right! No!

 

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Europa: The reality, of course, is that pride in one’s heritage, culture, and civilization is not, in fact, hubristic pride, but one of pride of ownership.

 

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An emotion that engenders the very deep sense of responsibility and appreciation that is necessary to preserve those things, the very feelings that Peterson claims should be felt in place of pride.

 

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At some point Peterson declared that the goal of what he calls the “radical right”, his disparaging term for European people who wish to cooperate with one another to protect their nations from certain destruction, is to cultivate “unearned identity” and the “glories of the past”.

 

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What Peterson is doing here is, in fact, paving the way for the most extreme forms of egalitarianism. Since one cannot control their DNA, or their heritage, nor can one control their environment, the person one is cannot be earned. This is the same argument that is used by those who argue for equality of outcome.

 

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For example, they will argue that since intelligence is either largely determined by genetics, or the environment, it is an advantage that is not earned. And therefore measures must be put in place to mitigate that unfair, unearned, advantage. What Peterson is actually saying. Is that Whites have no rights to their own identity based on their heritage, since they did not work to earn who their parents, or ancestors were.

 

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Europa: Privilege, …

 

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Peterson wanted to say unearned “privilege”. Referring, of course, to White privilege.

 

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But realized his error, and began racking his brain for a synonym.

 

Peterson: The unearned gift that’s been granted to you, as a source of personal pride in your accomplishments due to your skin! It’s like, no, not good! Not a good argument!

 

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Europa: Just as the cultural Marxists do, Peterson likes to deconstruct the White race down to nothing more than the level of melanin in one skin!

 

Peterson: The other thing about the whole “angry young White men” thing, is that my “angry young White men” followers are a hell of a lot less angry, and a hell of a lot less “White” than they would have been, if they wouldn’t have been following me! Because one of the things, you know, I’ve had many, many, letters from young men who’ve also said that they had been attracted to the more dogmatic end of the Right, more dogmatic Right wing end of the political spectrum. And that listening to my videos has been exactly what’s kept them, more, or less, in the middle!

 

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Europa: Deconstructing “Whiteness” as the cultural Marxists call it, is something that Peterson loves to do at every opportunity.

 

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Noel Ignatiev: My concern is doing away with Whiteness. If you abolish slavery, you abolish slave holders. In the same way, if you abolish racial oppression you do away with Whiteness. “Whiteness” is an identity. It arises entirely out of oppression! Whiteness is not a culture, it’s not a religion, it’s not a language, it’s simply an oppressive social category.

 

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Europa: In a tweet to evolutionary psychologist Kevin MacDonald in late 2017 Peterson posed the classic cultural Marxist question.

 

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How do you define White?

 

Peterson: Who’s White exactly? Like where, how do you draw these distinction? Even going so far as to make the absurd declaration that biological organisms do not have an interest in the propagation of their DNA into the future. While some may try to argue that Peterson’s primary concern was trying to prevent society from being stabilized by what he calls “tribalism”, or “identity politics”, it is clear that when it comes to Europeans, Peterson’s motives go far beyond simply warning about the dangers of group identity.

 

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He has declared that White identity itself is a “mental illness” and not only that, but that the White race itself is a “fiction”! Just as the cultural Marxists do. The people who he claims to oppose the very hint of a White individual taking pride in their heritage causes Peterson to lapse into a venomous tirade of shaming and castigation.

 

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All of this is fueled by his profound fear that if White’s unite in solidarity to protect themselves and the future of their children, it will somehow lead to the total destruction of Western civilization.

 

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Peterson: I think it’s genocidal in its ultimate expression. I think it will bring down our civilization if we pursue it.

 

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Stratagem: Combine self-help advice, political ideology, and religion.

 

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Peterson: Clean up your room!

 

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Peterson has woven a complex psychological mind trap in the form of a political ideology, disguised as a self-help regimen, wrapped in the religious metaphor.

 

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Peterson: Ideologies are fragmented religions, essentially. They use the same symbolic understructure, but they only tell part of the story.

 

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Europa: Despite Peterson’s assertion that ideology itself is the root of all evil, and that ideology must therefore be rejected in favor of the righteous path of the individual, he is ironically, by doing so, pushing his own ideology that he himself calls “radical individualism”.

 

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Miles Wolpin: Well, I would say if we looked at our own country, and to a lesser degree, perhaps Western Europe, we live in an era today when patriotism defense of our own nationality, independence, sovereignty, are all under attack. To paint middle-class morality as repressive, to paint authority, within the family, outside the family, as repressive! To promote personal liberation, or what we might call “radical individualism”.

 

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Peterson: I don’t see any alternatives than the than the “radical individualism” that’s predicated on these deep stories that characterizes the West. It’s the right answer!

 

Miles Wolpin: In short, to foment the rebellion of youth against traditional morality and authority structures in their society, something we can see as diffused through our society today!

 

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Europa: This political ideology of his, is inextricably enmeshed with his self-help advice, whereby he admonishes people to “clean their rooms” and set their life in order.

 

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According to Peterson those who do not adhere to his political ideology of radical individualism, fail to do so due to suffering from a “pathological personality defect” of some kind, stemming from a refusal to clean their rooms and bear the cross of individual responsibility.

 

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The average Peterson fan is totally incapable of separating the, in itself, benign self-help advice from Peterson’s political ideology. The result is that those who follow his ideology end up in a perpetual state of masturbatory self-improvement, perceiving those who cooperate together in groups based on some set of shared normative values, as being psychologically damaged and morally inferior.

 

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They end up perceiving any criticism of Peterson’s politics as a personal attack on their efforts to improve themselves.

 

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And as an attack on the man whom they see as having been instrumental to their self-improvement, or salvation.

 

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All of this closely matches the patterns of a cult. With Peterson’s followers acting based on strong emotions, rather than logic to staunchly defend their charismatic cult leader, and his ideology of “radical individualism”

 

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European male: Look at the audience. It’s mostly European men and a few women. Very few people from minority backgrounds, or so-called minorities. There are very few Asians, actually there are no Chinese at all, maybe a couple of Indians [dot], no Arabs, and no blacks. So what does this tell you? It tells you that those people feel the system is not right. Those people feel that something is missing! Their needs are not met! And everybody else’s needs are met, because they are not here. They don’t care.

 

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Europa: In retrospect, it is plainly evident that Peterson made an effort to market himself and his cult to young White males from the very beginning.

 

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In the fall of 2016 Peterson attempted to subvert the mimetic culture by intentionally associating himself with Pepe the Frog, claiming that spiritual synchronicity had crowned him the “spokes frog”.

 

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Male interviewer: Oh yeah, when I saw the video that you put up, … Was it two days ago, now?

 

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Male interviewer: Yeah two days ago. I couldn’t believe it. Yeah, and the next morning I got an email from my brother who also studies symbolism and is a very smart person. And he said: :

 

“Does Jordan know he’s incarnating Pepe right now?”

 

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Peterson: Yeah. Well, the funny thing is, you know, I knew about Pepe, but I had nothing like that on my mind when I made the video. It never even entered my mind that was an association.:

 

“As spokes-frog, I’m announcing that there’s something polluted about the water in which we’re all swimming in.”

 

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Europa: Note how he was careful to position the orange circle on the painting behind him around his head, as if it were a divine aura, or halo. A symbolism that he no doubt intended to convey his status as the divinely appointed “spokes Frog prophet” of the young White males he refers to as the “lost Kek boys”.

 

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Wendy Mesley: So you’re a prophet?

 

Peterson: Well, [chuckling] you know, we’re in a new world, in many ways, because of the reach of social media. And so I have this immense multimedia platform.

 

Europa: The reality is that Jordan Peterson’s self-help advice in the form of “clean your room” is nothing more than a delivery vector for his insidious anti-White political ideology.

 

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An ideology that he refuses to publicly defend.

 

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Stratagem: Exclude the radical Right from debate.

 

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Many are aware of Peterson’s hypocritical decision to uninvite Canadian journalist Faith Goldy from a free speech event at the Canada, Christian College in November of 2017.

 

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With his stated reason being that Faith had chosen to associate with someone on the political right whose opinions he disagreed with.

 

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Male audience member: I understand that Faith Goldy was removed from the original August panel, because of her podcast with the controversial Daily Stormer, after Charlottesville. This seems like a performative contradiction to remove Faith, because of one interview, while claiming to believe in freedom of speech.

 

Peterson: She was associating with people whose views she should have questioned. It was her journalistic responsibility to question them. And as a consequence is that she became too hot of a property for us.

 

Europa: What is less known, however, is that Jordan Peterson has a personal rule of intentionally excluding people from public debate based on their opinions and points of view.

 

Peterson: We know how to put a box around the extremists on the Right! Basically we say:

 

“Oh! You’re making claims of ethnic, or racial superiority! You’re not part of the conversation anymore.”

 

I mean, I think the fundamental criteria for drawing boundaries around the Right, are claims of racial, or ethnic superiority. That seems to me to be the place where conservatism degenerates into something approximating ethno nationalist fascism. It’s something like that.

 

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Europa: According to Peterson anyone who thinks there is a biological difference between the different genetic groups of human beings must be isolated and excluded from all public debate of any kind.

 

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This is beyond hypocritical, given that Peterson admitted himself on Stefan Molyneux show, that there exists large and permanent discrepancies in average IQ between the different racial groups.

 

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Peterson: So IQ is a particularly ugly aspect of science. Because the IQ literature reveals that which no one would want to be the case!

 

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Molyneux: Mmm.

 

Peterson: Which is that there are profound and virtually irremediable differences in people’s cognitive performance. And that those differences have a very solid biological and heritable basis. No one wants to hear that! They don’t want to hear that it’s biological! They don’t want to hear that it’s heritable! They don’t want to hear that it’s permanent! They don’t want to hear that it’s irremediable and that it actually has a practical consequence! And no wonder they don’t want to hear it.

 

Molyneux: And even worse they don’t want to hear that it differs between genders and ethnicities. That is to me one of the most painful things that I’ve ever learned in my life, is this kind of information! It is one of the great heartbreaks when it comes to the dream of pure egalitarianism! And that is I think even harder, it’s an even harder pill for people to swallow!

 

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Europa: Not only that, but Peterson wrote an entire essay about the genetic superiority of Ashkenazi jews relating to their allegedly having an average IQ one standard deviation above that of Europeans. Stating that:

 

“Jewish people are over-represented in positions of competence and authority, because as a group they have a higher mean IQ.”

 

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It’s plainly obvious the Peterson’s decree that any individual who brings up the topic of genetic differences between groups of humans should be ejected from and barred from public debate applies only to Whites. As does ultimately his decree that tribalism is the height of evil.

 

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Peterson: So, you’ll notice these sculptures behind me. They are made by a native artist named Charles Joseph.

 

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And Charles Joseph is a friend and now a brother of mine, as I’ve been inducted into their tribal group.

 

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Endgame:

 

Jordan Peterson’s endgame is one of the same as the globalist machine.

 

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Peterson is working at the psychological level to inoculate a generation of young White males against racial awareness.

 

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Just as Whites are on the cusp of becoming a minority group in their own countries the world over.

 

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While our enemies are waging war against us in a ruthless calculated and organized manner, Peterson is telling us that we must be “individualistic and atomized”. He has created an insidious political ideology and is delivering it with a spoonful of sugar to an audience who is hungry for an answer to the destruction that is being wrought upon them.

 

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The very destruction that Peterson is working to prevent them from effectively opposing.

 

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And he is doing all of this for a 30 pieces of silver!

 

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Peterson: I make $80,000 a month on Patreon. My book is selling about 20,000 copies a week. I have royalties that probably amount to something approximating a dollar fifty on each of those. The tours garner about 35,000 to 50,000 dollars an evening. I have a business that’s generating, I don’t know, something in the neighborhood of 200,000 dollars a month, for me personally. There’s some other smaller sources of income than that.

 

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Male interviewer: You are making a lot of money out of this.

 

Peterson: Yes. I certainly am. And so are a lot of other people. I’m not ashamed of making money. It’s very hard to make money.

 

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Jordan Peterson Debates Cathy Newman on the Gender Pay Gap — TRANSCRIPT

 

Resurrection Europa — Jordan Peterson Is An Anti-White Globalist, Nov 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

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[Morgoth gives his take on the protests at the US Capitol, the Big Tech clampdown on the internet for dissident speech, Covid, etc.

— KATANA]

 

 

 

Morgoth’s Review

 

Winter is Here

 

Jan 9, 2021

 

 

 

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[00:00]

 

 

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[00:21]

 

Hello there again there folks. On I’ve been sitting around for the last week or so watching events to play out in America and and every time that I made some notes and jotted down some ideas to make a video and give some thoughts on it, I found that I was already behind the cycle, and that a whole new load of drama and crisis had unfolded, and I had to pretty much scrap it and start over again. And this has been going on for the last 10 days or something.

 

So I thought I would just switch the microphone on and do something which is more or less just a podcast. I’ve got a few notes written down. Because what we’re seeing is historic and it same a shame to let it go unremarked upon.

 

I think this is a once in a lifetime crisis, or happening, as they say now in internet parlance. And in that parlance how long that is going to last, we don’t know because I’m speaking here and Donald Trump is being banned from Twitter and the big Tech is pretty much going completely berserk! It remind me of that bit in the end of the crap Game of Thrones, when Daenerys just burns down King’s Landing.

And I think in the wider context, just to sort of zoom the lens out, what I think is that there’s a lot of layers to this. I will say as well I’m going to keep this video stripped down and basic as possible because I’m going to put it on BitChute, because I don’t trust YouTube at all, at the moment. And I know that BitChute servers and processing systems are probably are going to be overwhelmed. So I’m going to keep I the just as basic as I can.

 

I think what we are seeing is the end of a cycle of populism. But it also goes on much further than that. And some plans that the elites are bringing in which relates to things like Covid and what some people are calling “The Great Reset” which is a restructuring of the West. Like I actually think that is what happening here.

 

But if we can just start in the immediate here and now. At the base level what we are seeing with Trump, the MAGA movement and the sort of conspiracy Qanon stuff which is what populism descends into. This populist cycle that began in 2015, 2016. It began then mainly with its energizing core, I would say, as the Alt-Right.

 

There was a White nationalist component to it. And it was quite clear what the demands of that were. And you can see that back then. It was less conspiratorial but they would talk about White genocide, demographics. They were talking about power, the jews had, and whether jews were actually explicitly endorsing policies and ideas that were against White pops across the world. And they wanted all of this out in the open and discussed.

 

The alt-right was bringing up ideas about whether or not White people should have the Right to have their own nations. So there was a clear list of demands there. And of course on the one hand you also had like a Corollary in Europe with Brexit and some populism popping up on the continent of Europe as well. Which they are like in a better shape I think.

 

Especially in the Anglo world it’s blown itself out and this is it. So the populist cycle which ran from more or less 2015, which was a backlash against political correctness, mass immigrant, and this kind of thing. That is what energized it at its core. Is now being put down! Like ended permanently by the lib elite class in America, across the West. All of the leaders came out and condemned Trump again and again recently. And then with big Tech as well.

 

So this is the kind of paradigm we are in. But then beyond all of that you’ve got Covid, and you’ve got the vaccine. And once again you can see this restructuring of the West, I think is what’s coming in. It’s to say that nothing is going to go back as it was.

 

But if we can just go back to 2015 what I thought the way that the populism itself changed was as I just noted there, at least in the early phases you had a clear list of demands, which were never addressed. The population replacement, the mass immigration, it all carried on regardless, no matter how many mass rapes there were. No matter how many terrorist attacks, no matter how much White flight, people left their areas. People weren’t happy about it. It happened regardless, to the degree where the Western elites appeared psychotic. But at least in that phase that is all you had to deal with!

 

[05:28]

 

And so this gave rise to Trump as a kind of avatar, or figurehead. And it turned out well enough as not really much change. And I know there’s a lot of discussion about that and his own relationship with Israel. But then when we get towards the end of it you see that in the middle the Tech censorship which everybody’s complaining about right now which ended Donald Trump on Twitter, and basically all of the people around him are being purged. It seems like everybody everywhere is being run off the internet by big Tech.

 

We can see that the hammer fell first on the alt-right. So that there was that particularly sort of edgy component the oligarchs wanted rid of first. And then as we see that Trump’s presidency advanced we see the arrival of the Qanon, the more conspiratorial mindset, which of course ended with some just crazy talking points entering into the discourse.

 

People will say it’s a psyop, but at the end of the day when you have a look at it what they’re trying to do, at the bottom of it all, at the bottom of all of these theories is this striving to get back to some sort of basic bitch liberal America without, they would say, the satanic elites and the pedo-elites and all of this kind of stuff. Where America has gone off the rails, it has become corrupted.

 

But the problem is what America was founded on, in my opinion, and many others, it was always heading in this direction. It was always leaning towards basically what is an oligarchy. It begins with the hard working mentality and capitalism, and then lo-and-behold you end up where the entire superstructure of America is in the hands of a financial elite, and it facilitates that all the way along.

 

So if you are going to reject that, if you are going to say, well it shouldn’t be like it, and you are going to fall back on the founding principles of America to make that point. What you are going to have to do is have a completely new ideology. And what you find in the populist movement as it ended, what it manifested into was again that was encoded into the DNA of populism itself. If you look at populism is, it’s in its title, it’s popular people coming up and taking control of the movement.

 

And in the case of America and the Right-wing sort of Republican MAGA hat type movement, well the people that stepped up were essentially performers with big audiences. In other words they are popular. But the problem is there wasn’t actually any vision or ideology there except this hearkening back to this sort of previous liberal incarnation of America.

 

And so what ends up manifesting in that on the one hand this extreme rejection of the status quo, but with nothing to put in it. And at the same time people who are mainly performance artists heading the show. And so this culminates in the storming of the Capital building and then live streaming it for content on YouTube or Dlive, or whatever. Complete with a chat rolling along at the side.

 

So instead of having a different vision, a different political philosophy that you want to completely change the system, you end up putting on a performance. And this is deeply postmodern in that way. And it’s kind of tragic to see that that is what it culminated in.

 

You get into Nancy Pelosi’s office and you take a selfie and put on a show for your subs. That in a tragic way in a movement that was born on social media died on so came and it kind of went as far as it could on that medium. And of course I’m doing it right now. But the problem is we are all going to get purged. We are all going to get run off.

 

[10:18]

 

I mean leading aside the quibbles about how the populist movement ended, you see something else as well, like the idea of testing the system. The idea that the way the system has been tested over the last five years or so, where in Britain, then it was the Brexit thing which sort of drove a wedge in the globalist project in Europe. Which by the way just didn’t same to make a blind bit of difference.

 

But then much more seriously in America you actually get Donald Trump into office. Which is supposedly like the most powerful position on earth. And then you come to this realization that actually he can’t actually get much done because of the, … Even if he wanted to, which is debatable. I know people, it doesn’t look like he tried to. That is for the Americans to comment on who are more familiar with the system.

 

But by and large the “Cathedral” as they call it, the system absorbed it and struck back. And it’s striking back in that what we are witnessing now is like the final act. The permanent and complete destruction of populism, as I say, with Donald Trump himself being purged. Not just from Twitter, but from all kinds of things. And if they can purge the president of America, then they can purge anybody, and they are purging everybody day by the looks of it. We’ve got BitChute, these alt-tech platforms for as long as they last.

 

I mean, I just don’t really see the point of putting something on YouTube in this climate to be honest. But what we see is this idea of when you attack the system. And the system has been under assault for say five years by the populist movement, you get this impression that could they absorb the pain and the chaos, and I think to a certain degree what’s happened is that it’s become legitimate, the counter narrative of the system’s narrative, let’s say.

 

The counter narrative, the populist one has become stronger because of it. And it ends up where it can just wipe you out entirely. We are still standing and it’s reached a degree where people are storming the heart of America. I mean we can moan about what happened when they got in there. But the heart of democracy in America was defiled as they say. And so this legitimates them. They can say:

 

“We’ve had enough. We’ve put up with it long enough. It’s chaos! It’s madness! And it needs to be ended permanently!”

 

And the big winners in all of this, which is kind of ironic when you think of the so came and revolution is the Tech oligarchs themselves! Because now the politicians of the West now just look so pathetic and weak because they operate under the umbrella of technology, of the technocracy. So now politics in the West has descended into politicians that are chosen by the media because they have got the Right opinions.

 

So then they get selected for being political correctness, of belonging to the Right minority group, or they’re trannies, or gays, or whatever it is. They say what the system wants to hear. So they get wafted into these positions of power in the political establishment.

 

But then really they are confronted with all of this anger from the, in America say, 70 odd million people. Half of the voting base of America. And then all they can do is go running to the big Tech giants to shut all of these people up. So there’s a certain point where this is like a constant thorn in everybody days side. And eventually it seems to me what we are seeing now is this drive to just permanently end it!

 

And so something that the Neo-Reactionary talks about is the one story state and the two story state. So the one story state is just one narrative. Whereas if we look at the populist narrative which was a sort of a criticism, which wasn’t built on much, because, as I said before, it always stepped back on to the liberal foundations of the system itself. It was within that bubble. But nevertheless there was some criticism then. Some uncomfortable moments.

 

And eventually I think what’s happened is the progressive side of that, the globalist side of that has decided to just end it! Permanently! And to say that there will just be one story. There will be just one narrative and it’s ours! And the way that you have conducted yourselves over the five years or so, is illegitimate and it’s ran it’s course. It all blew itself apart in paranoid conspiracy theories and all of this.

 

But then at the same time we have decided to just put you down for good!

 

So how far are they going to go with it? Because part of the problem which I’ve discovered with the Covid issue last year is one man’s conspiracy is another man’s deeply held belief. And we have actually reached the point in Britain, let’s say, where we have Tony Blair coming out on television and telling people that basically, that unless they get a vaccine they are never going to be able to do anything. You are never going to get anywhere!

 

They are talking about having “Freedom Passes” where everybody will be traced on your telephone with an a in it. Basically you are going to be completely controlled. So then you have to ask yourself is this then part of their narrative? Is this connected to what we are seeing in America with the death, the killing of American populism? Well, I actually think it is. I actually do think all of these dots line up. And this again is strange because essentially this is conspiracy theory.

 

What we are seeing is these managerial elites, these technocrats have decided that because especially what they have seen with the populist movement, that it is incoherent and that they have got all the experts. They have got all the institutions, so that makes them right. And so they therefore get to impose their will on everybody!

 

So when you look at say, people are running off to Parler, and you will notice that Parler will always be just the substitute Twitter. It will always be the copycat Twitter, in the same way that BitChute is probably always going to be just the copycat YouTube. And these are the places that if dissident Right-wingers types, nationalists and populists, if they are lucky they will get to cling onto these platforms.

 

But it is like not the legitimate one. It is the copy. It is the ripoff! So the system has the real deal. It has the authentic narrative and the authentic institutions, and the authentic platforms. And they’re going to use them. So in a way it has legitimized itself and how it treats the Right-wing, let’s say. I mean people will say:

 

“We can’t just sit back and allow this to happen. We need to dox ourselves and take to the streets and protest.”

 

Well the problem is that is exactly what has happened. And every time that happens the system gets stronger for it. The reason why they can say we need to shut all of this down, and the reason why they can de-platform Donald Trump, while he’s still the President is because they can say he’s encouraging people to do just that. And so every time you go out and physically attack the system, the system doesn’t get weaker for it. It gets stronger for it.

 

And part of the problem with this I think, and this is going to head into the future as well, is that Western people, especially in America, they don’t know what it’s like to first live in a state of complete defeat! Where you are subject to the will of a superior power, a superior force. And secondly, to have a frame of reference on what you do on a day-to-day basis, while you are living in that.

 

So if you look at the Soviet Union for example you would have people who said one thing in public, especially to officials. You do know who you can trust and who you can’t trust by and large. So you have to keep that in mind.

 

[19:36]

 

And they have one face and one way of speaking to some people, officials and whatnot. Or increasingly on so came and and then they would have something else for people in their private life. So you live this dual life. So that is a sort of way to get by in tyranny.

 

But by and large people aren’t used to it, and so this is where you get this idea of having mass movements, protests which they were allowed because of the assumption that we were living in a free world. And now it’s been decided by the technocrats and by the elites that it will just be ended, permanently. And they aren’t going to have it anymore. So we are in a stage now where the mask is just coming off.

 

And the question is, how are we going to get through this, and what we do next? Will it be that we just all end up off the internet? Where the internet itself becomes a waste of time? Well there’s not going to be any political action off that because of what I just said. The sooner you set about that you just make the system stronger, and the clampdowns, and the screws will just be turned even tighter. This is going to be a big shock to people.

 

And as I say the American, what we are seeing in America is just the sharp end of the spear. But you can see the same thing around Europe. We are locked down a year on end now in say Britain. You have got globalists coming out, you have got the army about vaccines. Where you know this isn’t a conspiracy theory is when they are literally coming out on television and saying:

 

“This is not going to be any going back!”

 

And that your going to have to have a pass and that your going to have to have your injection and you won’t be able to go anywhere, you won’t be able to do anything unless you do what we want you to do. And that everything that you do will be traced, and you will be on the internet! This seems to me what is coming in. And people are going to say:

 

“Oh! I don’t like the black pills!”

 

Well, like yeah, but it’s still happening. And we are going to have to be realistic about it. Because I think the end of the American populist movement was just them sort of removing a thorn in their side before what they would see as a restructuring of the West. It’s a restructuring as well, leaving aside the sort of satanic pedo-elite kind of takes on this, which I’ve never been particularly impressed with.

 

Essentially it’s a technocratic utilitarian mindset, where they are going to say, basically it’s an approach where everybody is just a unit and you need this. And you only need these amounts of freedoms. And we are going to take this and that away from you, for the greater good. They tried to do it with the environment, but it doesn’t same to work, and so now it’s about Covid. And that is what it is!

 

[22:55]

 

And it’s an update on how we live in the West.

 

So just to get back on the subject of online censorship as well, there’s two different sort of approaches to this, two different takes that I can in kind of Right-wing circles. And there is one of them which is that what the system really wants, a process of normalization. And under that there would be some sort of relaxation. We are in the eye of the storm at the moment, the transfer of power, the end of the populist movement, and Trump.

 

So that would say afterwards, when you let the dust settle, and Biden gets in. Basically they’re going to be hegemonic, and they are going to calm down a bit. They’re not going to be that bothered because they have got power. And so there is nothing really for them to fear.

 

If anything they might have to check out the radical Left, the Left flank. People giving them Marxist critiques of neo-liberalism and this kind of thing. That is going to be more of a problem than the Right, who will just be completely powerless. But in my opinion we already were powerless, but all right, I can at least understand that they would then bring in this:

 

“We will all sit back and watch Star Wars content forever, and whatever the next 20 Marvel movies! And we will have our one hour allotted walk per day. And that is it! That is your life! And you will be allowed some relative amount of freedom on the internet. Maybe the odd edgy post here and there.”

 

Well, I don’t actually buy that.

 

The other side of that is that they’ll just go full bore and utterly crush any kind of Right-wing political incorrect talking head!

 

And I actually think for the foreseeable future that is what they are going to do, because the system, … They don’t want to settle down. There is something else happening, which is wider and across all of the West. Which is what people are calling “The Great Reset”.

 

So they don’t want to go into this mode of normalization, because there are to many other things going on. And people speaking their minds, and being allowed to speak their minds freely, is a threat to that.

 

So you see that they are now applying the same logic, which is always that it is in the public good! So it’s in the public good. If you’re, like Dave Cullen, and you’re making videos going out to hundreds of thousands of people about how the Covid, the scamdemic and all this kind of thing, yeah, your going to be in for the chop! I would say. And they are going to use the exact same reasoning that they use for what they are doing now to Trump. And that’s because you are a danger to the public good!

 

So even within that, it isn’t so much that you’re critical of the system, like in a standard tyranny. It isn’t that your critical of the Party, let’s say, or the ideology. It’s that when you are put under tyranny in the West, it’s because your opinions are a threat to the “public good”. You are putting other peoples lives in danger, and so you have to be shut down.

 

So I don’t see that going away any time soon. And so my advice here, is to keep your head down! And let’s see how far the censorship goes on the internet.

 

I’m going to be on BitChute, obviously. We have noticed before that some of these Alt-light figures are probably going to disappear off the face of the earth. And some of them that were involved in the American movement are going to go to jail.

 

So, maybe we can weather this storm, but it is going to be dark days ahead. And there’s no point in pretending otherwise.

 

I always get irritated when people say:

 

“Oh we don’t like the black pill.”

 

Because I think it’s kind of childish way of looking at the world. It isn’t all “Happy, happy, times!”. And I think it relates to Westerners have been in a very soft and decadent civilization for a long time. As I said earlier, they are not used to tyranny. They don’t know what it is to lose, to be defeated, and crushed!

 

Even what we have seen so far, isn’t nearly as bad as it can get, and that it has been for most of humanity. I’ve got quite a pessimistic view of humanity. Did people think that Western free liberal democracy was going to last forever, until the sun burned out? It wasn’t. It was going to end, and it could very well be that it’s going to end officially, and unapologetically, in 2021.

 

All of the dominoes are there. All of the pieces are set on the board.

 

So, I would say, keep your head down. And we will see how it goes.

 

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See Also

 

 

 

 

Millennium Woes with Morgoth on Brexit — TRANSCRIPT

Millennial Woes’ Millenniyule 2017 No. 66 – Morgoth — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – YouTube Hangout 01 – Skeptics and Cucks — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – YouTube Hangout 02 – Merry Holocaustmas — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review — Discussing the Government’s Anti-Extremism Agency ”Prevent” With Based British — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review — Hate-Reading The Guardian – Hirsch, Critical Theory & Nihilism, Jan 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review — The Psychotic Left, Feb 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – Fishing For White Pills, Feb 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – Hope Not Hate and the State of Play, Feb 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

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[Anti-Whites Michael Walker and Ash Sakar discuss a recent interview by LBC’s host Nick Farrari with Keir Stamer, and Starmer’s response to a pro-White caller, “Gemma“, aka, Jody Kay, and her statement that Whites in Britain are projected to become a minority by 2066. And that Whites have the right to their own homelands, just as jews in Israel have theirs.

The big “problem” was that Starmer, after falsely saying we all have that right, — it’s for jews exclusively, according to jews — then also failed to address the issue of Whites becoming a minority.

Despite Ash Sakar’s  dismissal of what she called the “Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory“, of Whites becoming a minority, she doesn’t actually refute it in any way. She just simply labels it a “conspiracy“! And that “migrants” have always come and gone, just that now they — the masses of uninvited non-Whites — stay permanently!

With some fanfare they reveal that “Gemma”  has been exposed as Jody Kay, a “far-Right” [pro-White] YouTuber, and supporter of the “far-Right” [pro-White] Patriotic Alternative organization!

They conclude that Starmer needs to get with the [anti-White] program, or else he’ll never see Downing Street!

For people new to all this, there is indeed a long-term (multi-generational) plan by “globalists”, aka, orgjew, to reduce, and worse, to minority status Whites in all Western countries. It’s core motivation is a deep-seated hatred and revenge mentality.

The mainstream media is an arm of this agenda and is conducting non-stop psychological warfare against us.

Do your homework, or else passively allow the dire consequences of inaction to continue.

— KATANA]

 

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Michael Walker: We are told Keir Starmer has completed “Unconscious Bias” training. But does he need lessons in identifying “racism”, which is a little bit more explicit? That’s the question I asked myself after watching him respond to a caller on LBC this morning.

 

So the lady had phoned in to ask Keir Starmer what he thought about her husband, who she said had been one of the fans booing at Millwall’s match when the players “took a knee”.

 

Starmer said he disagreed with the booing. But then failed to challenge her on something she said which was far more worrying.

 

Let’s take a look.

 

[Michael Walker is the Contributing Editor at Novara Media, a left-wing news site. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novara_Media]

 

Keir Starmer: “Taking the knee”, and the players and the referees very often take the knee. And I think that’s what’s symbolic, ..

 

[Sir Keir Rodney Starmer is a British politician and former lawyer who has served as Leader of the Labour Party and Leader of the Opposition since 2020. He has been Member of Parliament for Holborn and St Pancras since 2015. Ideologically, Starmer identifies as a socialist and has been described as being on the soft left within the Labour Party.Wikipedia
Born:Keir Rodney Starmer, September 2, 1962, Southwark, London, England]

 

Nick Ferrari: Even Les Ferdinand, who you’ll probably know, just to remind my listeners, was a very successful football player. Happens to be a black fellow himself. He’s now the first black man to be a “Director of Football”. He’s with the championship Queen’s Park Rangers. And he says it is hollow. It’s like a fancy hashtag, or a lapel! It’s achieving nothing!

[Nicolo Ferrari is a British radio host, television presenter and broadcast journalist. He is best known as the host of the weekday breakfast show on the London-based radio station LBC (slogan: Leading Britain’s Conversation) and, with 1.5 million daily listeners, is currently the most-listened-to host on LBC. Source: Wikipedia]

 

Keir Starmer: Well, I don’t think that’s right. What I think the counter, …

 

Nick Ferrari: The man who played football for England, I mean, he’s in a position of knowledge, isn’t he?

 

Keir Starmer: So he is, of course, I respect his view, of course. It doesn’t mean I agree with it. I think that what’s happened over the many years — this is the counter argument, it’s quite a powerful one — is that there is racial inequality, there is injustice. And from time, to time, it becomes an issue. It’s looked at for a few weeks, and then it goes away. And this is an attempt to keep the focus on it, until things really change.

 

Nick Ferrari: Now the focus, just on taking the knee. And the important issue of getting black managers, black directors of football, black chairmen, or chairwomen of clubs! I mean, that’s been lost, because we just take the knee.

 

Keir Starmer: I don’t think it’s one, or the other. I think you can do both. And it’s a way of drawing attention to it. But I, you know, in the end it’s for each individual to decide how they want to tackle injustice.

 

Nick Ferrari: Why did, Gemma, why did your husband, … So you didn’t quite explain it, if I may go there again. Why did he choose to boo, sorry?

 

Gemma: Because if anything the racial inequality is now against the indigenous people of Britain. Because we are set to become a minority by 2066. And “taking the knee”, bringing the political sphere into the football arena, …

 

And we just have to look across to the Middle East! You know, Israel has a state law that they are the only people in that country to have self-determination. Well why can’t I, as a White British female, have that same right?

 

Nick Ferrari: Final point to you on this, Sir Keir.

 

Keir Starmer: Well Gemma, we all have those rights. This is about recognizing some injustice that has gone on for a very, very long time. And I think people were genuinely moved this year, and want to make sure that that injustice is dealt with. And, you know, people will look at it different ways. But I think the vast majority of people do want a more equal society.

 

Nick Ferrari: Gemma, thank you.

 

Michael Walker: Now, I mean, I think actually Keir Starmer’s answer in the first half of that clip was quite good. I think his defense of people taking a knee was very thoughtful, and very persuasive.

 

The second half though? I mean, let’s go over what that caller said.

 

So the caller said:

 

“That actually it’s White people who are oppressed in this country, because they’re about to become a minority by 2066.”

 

Projections from some demographer. Now that’s sort of become core the “Great Replacement Theory”. I’m sure Ash will talk about that in more detail in a moment.

 

What I want to focus on now is that the caller suggested we learn from the nation-state law in Israel, and pass a law, which is basically saying, let’s pass a law guaranteeing self-determination for White Brits. So she’s saying:

 

“Why don’t White Brits have the same right to self-determine that jews in Israel do?”

 

And in response Keir Starmer says:

 

“We all have those rights.”

 

No. We don’t all have those rights! We don’t all have the right to live in an ethnostate, where our ethnicity is treated with, you know, as privileged over others. I mean, it’s essentially apartheid, right? [chuckling].

 

Now obviously I’m not saying that clip shows you that Keir Starmer supports apartheid. But, I do think it is quite troubling, that that is essentially, … I mean, that’s how you can interpret his words. He didn’t challenge that woman who said:

 

“Let’s have self-determination for White people in Britain, like they have self-determination for jews only in Israel.”

 

He sort of just brushed it off!

 

Ash, I want to bring you in on this. Keir Starmer he has done “Unconscious Bias” training, but he, I mean, either he didn’t recognize what I thought was quite blatant “White supremacy” there, or he felt that it wasn’t appropriate to challenge it?

 

Ash Sakar: Well he should really be getting a refund on that Unconscious Bias training, shouldn’t he? If you can’t pick up on really obvious White nationalist “conspiracism”, when it’s right in front of you!

 

And look! Me and you have both done radio phone-in shows, and sometimes you don’t get to say all the things that you want to say. And you kick yourself a while after.

 

But I don’t think that’s quite what happened here! I think what has happened here, is that Keir Starmer was listening for what he knew to prepare for.

 

Which was the question on Millwall, and booing, and BLM, and taking the knee. And it meant that he had just tuned out these, … I mean, it’s not even a racist dog whistle, right? It’s an absolute honking White nationalist vuvuzela! [a long horn blown by fans at soccer matches in South Africa]

 

And what that indicates to me is a certain lack of “racial literacy”, is what I would call it. A lack of racial literacy from Keir Starmer!

 

We’ve seen this, you know, a couple of times before when he, you know, called “Black Lives Matter” a “moment”, and not a “movement”! When he, you know, dismissed “defunding the police” out of hand — which is fine if that’s a policy decision that you disagree with and want to distance yourself from — but with this kind of degree of disrespect for the activists who had generated it.

 

He doesn’t have that kind of discerning “ear”, and ability to react and to respond from a place of, I think, very deep confidence and knowledge. And that’s going to be a problem!

 

And it’s not going to be a problem, because the Left — who are phenomenally disempowered within Labour — are going to kick off. That’s not going to be a thing that troubles him.

 

What is going to trouble him is that this phenomenon of “Great Replacement Conspiracism” and this kind of subterranean, media infrastructure ecology, which is sort of being generated and nurtured by the Alt-Right.

 

This kind of phoning into radio shows in order to wedge in your White nationalist talking points, that is only going to grow!

 

And unless you have a Labour leader who’s able to identify when this is going on, and have some kind of prepared response to it, which is making, you know, a real impassioned defense of the kind of society that he wants to see — a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, and multicultural democracy — then a Labour leader is not going to get anywhere near a Downing Street, than his predecessors, I think.

 

There’s also one more thing that I briefly want to touch on, if that’s okay. And it’s about the matter of the Great Replacement itself. Because, whenever I call the Great Replacement a conspiracy theory, I have a million and one, far Right thunderheads in my mentions, sharing this one clip from a video that I did a few years ago, called “Against Integration”.

 

And it’s a nine second clip in which I highlight some statistics which have been reported, I think in The Daily Mail, indicating demographic change in London, ago:

 

“All right lads, we’re winning!”

 

And the reason why they clip this, and they distribute it, is they think that it represents not only me saying:

 

“Oh the Great Replacement is real!”

 

But saying:

 

“And I’m a part of it! I endorse it! And I think it’s really good!”

 

The actual much longer video is about the research produced by sociologist. called Ted Cantel. And I cite those statistics, because I think that what it shows is that he handled this data in a very biased way. He looks at rising diversity. And, because he judges it by the fact that you have a smaller proportion of White Brits in diverse areas, he goes:

 

“Oh that’s a segregated neighborhood.”

 

I disagree with that fundamentally. The Great Replacement is a conspiracy theory which essentially says that there is a kind of shadowy, you know, cabal of elites, often coded as jewish, it’s, you know, very, very close to lots of other anti-semitic myths, this Great Replacement, that’s pulling the strings to try and, you know, eradicate the indigenous White race from Europe, and America, and sometimes Australia.

 

This is, of course, complete hokum!

 

What they do is they take these statistics which show demographic change. And there’s all kinds of demographic change, right? There’s religious demographic change. There’s racial demographic change, obviously. There’s also age demographic change, which no one seems to have that big of a problem with. And they go:

 

“See. Your race is under attack!”

 

No. What’s going on and what drives these numbers is that those waves of immigration which were once kind of temporary — people would come over, they’d make some money, they’d move back — that’s changed. People have settled down! They put down roots. They have children. They fall in love. You know, they make lives with one another. They actually perform the kind of integration which everyone’s telling me is the right thing to do! And that’s what drives this Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

 

It says that essentially demographic change is the result of these nefarious forces which are which are trying to rob White people of what’s rightfully theirs. And it’s very closely linked to anti-semitism. Also very, very closely linked with lots of really horrible stuff to do with, you know, anti-abortion, you know, very, very conservative on reproductive rights.

 

And I think it’s important that when this is going to be, I think, such a core part of the far-Right story going forward, and you can see that there is this porousness between the barrier between mainstream opinion and alt-Right opinion, because of the kind of like, you know, huge electoral upsets of Donald Trump having won in the 2016 American election.

 

You’ve also got hard Right Brexit. You’ve got this current composition of Boris Johnson’s cabinet. And then you’ve also got a media ecology which is constantly drawing on these figures and elevating them to pundit status. This is going to be something, which is going to, I think, you’ll hear about it more, and more, in our politics.

 

And Keir Starmer if he wants to actually be a trusted figure on anti-racism, and I’ve got no doubt that that is something that he wants to do, if not always has the tools to be able to do, is going to have to work out a strategy for it. Because tuning it out, responding to the question that you wanted to hear, rather than the comments that you did actually here, simply isn’t good enough!

 

Michael Walker: So he wasn’t listening, actually gives him more credit than he deserves. I mean, he’s an intelligent man. He was clearly listening to what was said. And he didn’t, he even didn’t recognize that something drawn from “White supremacy” [chuckling] was said, or explicitly “White supremacist” was said, or he didn’t feel comfortable challenging it.

 

And one thing that I think actually stood out for me, is that he clearly wasn’t paying attention in the whole summer-long debate that we had about the IHRA [International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance] definition of anti-semitism. Because if he had, he would know that one of the big problems with that.

 

One of the big complaints people had, was that by saying that Israel has a right to self-determine, essentially, that that can be used to justify the Nation State Law. Which is to say, that if a people have a right to self-determination then they have a right to be an ethnic majority in a nation, which is precisely what’s motivating the Nation State Law.

 

Which is to say that, yes, look there’s concerns in Israel that Arabs are, you know, reproducing — I’m using their horrible language — that the Arab population is growing faster than the jewish population, so to secure the Rights of the jewish population you have to put basically a bit of an apartheid clause in the constitution. To say, even if jews no longer are the majority they still are the only people with rights to have ownership of that nation, essentially.

 

And this is being taken up by “White supremacists” in this country, who are saying:

 

“Ah! Look there is a danger that Whites will no longer be a White people.”

 

Sorry, I don’t want to use [chuckling] their language. White people will no longer be the majority.

 

Ash Sakar: You sound like De Klerk or something, ..

 

[Frederik Willem de Klerk is a South African retired politician, who served as State President of South Africa from 1989 to 1994 and as Deputy President from 1994 to 1996. As South Africa’s last head of state from the era of white-minority rule, he and his government dismantled the apartheid system and introduced universal suffrage. Source: Wikipedia]

 

Michael Walker: That’s what the caller was suggesting! [chuckling]

 

And, because Keir Starmer wasn’t paying attention to IHRA, he wasn’t paying attention to the Nation State Law, he didn’t notice that. I noticed that in like half a second, right! And that completely went over his head, because he’s not paying attention to “Liberation Struggles” around the world, … And the nature of ethno nationalism is something that he’s not alive to. And that means he completely missed a point there!

 

I want to talk a bit more context for you. Which is that thanks to researchers on Twitter, we know that the caller was not actually “Gemma from Cambridge”, as she claimed, but someone who goes by the name of “Jody Kay”. So she has a YouTube channel promoting far-Right conspiracy theories. And is a supporter of the far-Right Patriotic Alternative group.

 

Apparently she was, she’s actually, she was introduced to Gemma from Cambridge, as I said, but she is, in fact, a yoga teacher in Ibiza.

 

[Ibiza, officially Eivissa, is a Spanish island in the Mediterranean Sea off the eastern coast of Spain.]

 

The far-Right were also pleased with how it went. So this is a screenshot from a far-right Telegram broadcast. It was found by the crowd-sourcing collective, Red Flare on Twitter. Definitely worth a follow.

 

And you can see there this is a far-Right account, “Charlie Big Potatoes Official”. I don’t know where the name comes from.

 

They say:

 

“An absolute master class of groyping.”

 

Which is to say you go on sort of mainstream platforms and put in conspiracy theories, unbeknownst to the host:

 

“From Jody Kay here as all Keir Starmer can do is try and worm his way out of answering any of her points. Well done Jody!”

 

Now obviously they’re being completely opportunistic. They’re claiming this is a victory, because it makes them look good.

 

But it’s undeniable that Keir Starmer didn’t successfully challenge. And, in fact, by saying:

 

“We all have those rights.”

 

In a way by accident! I’m sure by accident, reinforced and legitimized the quite horrific views which were being put to him!

 

[13:51]

 

[END]

 

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See Also

 

 

Edda Budahazy Interviewed on Mass-Immigration — TRANSCRIPT

London Forum: Tony O’Neill, “World War III Has Already Begun” — TRANSCRIPT

Paul Weston: How to Destroy a Country — TRANSCRIPT

Kai Murros ‘National Revolution in England’ — TRANSCRIPT

Jews Behind Race Mixing

Red Ice: Lana Lokteff Interviews Arthur Kemp — TRANSCRIPT

Murdoch Murdoch — Fatherland — TRANSCRIPT

Ursula Haverbeck – The Hooton Plan and the Migrant Crisis — TRANSCRIPT

Red Ice Radio Interview: Invasion of Europe — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

Way of the World — How the Globalists Stole Our Home, Dec 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Kalergi Plan Graffiti Appears in Rathmines, Dublin – Liveline with Joe Duffy — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — The Plot to Flood Europe with 200 Million Africans — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Hitchcock – Rosette Delacroix – The Kalergi Plan Decoded – White Genocide – Jul 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Red Ice TV — Why They Want To Replace White People, Nov, 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Poseidon — Replacement Migration Agenda – United Nations — TRANSCRIPT

Resurrection Europa — Jordan Peterson Is An Anti-White Globalist, Nov 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Salim Mansur – Globalism and the UN Compact for Migration, Dec 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

VertigoPolitix – The Tactics of Immigration, Jul 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

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[This is the 9th video in the Talmud & Taboo series from The Occidental Observer (TOO) contributor and scholar Andrew Joyce on the “jewish problem/question“, available at his BitChute channel.

Here Joyce discusses the US elections between Trump and Biden and how the outcome is just more of the same in either case as both are entwined within the jewish power structure, aka, the Deep State, aka ZOG.

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Trumpism, Bidenism,

 

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Nov 9, 2020

 

 

 

 

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[00:31]

 

 

Hello everyone. And welcome back to Talmud and Taboo. I am your host Andrew Joyce. And I think it’s as good a time as any to return to podcasting given the drama, the recriminations and shenanigans that have accompanied the recent putative election of Joe Biden to the presidency of the United States.

 

I have very mixed feelings about the events of the last few days, very mixed feelings, indeed!

 

I think I should begin by saying that I was never “MAGA”, on the Trump Train. I always had my reservations and doubts about Donald Trump.

 

 

Way back in 2015, I wrote an article titled “Jewish Intermarriage with Native Elites”, in which I attempted to take the marriage of Ivanka Trump to Jared Kushner, to highlight as a warning and to contextualize it and provide some historical background for the way in which it seem to be an almost conscious strategy of Jews to marry the children of their elites with the children of native European elites.

 

 

And I dug into the history of this. In Prussia in the 1800s, especially the Junker families. And the way in which certain salons were established in which the young men from the Junger families would be encouraged to socialize, especially with these jewish daughters. And in which these marriages would be more or less set up, or a context laid, in which the pairing up of these individuals would be more or less inevitable.

And I made the argument that these marriages provided a kind of concrete biological entwining of interests. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out that when your daughter, when your family, or your grandchildren, are for all intents and purposes Jewish, that basically you are going to have an additional concern, or certain perspective, on things like zionism, or the State of Israel, or the history of the Jewish people, that will lend you certainly more amenable to jewish arguments, and I believe Jewish influence.

 

So, the Kushner influence was something that concerned me very, very, early on in the drive for a Trump Presidency. And I must say that my feelings are no different when it comes to Joe Biden, who has no less than three children who have married Jews. Everyone has been talking about the certain statistical unlikelihood of Joe Biden‘s recent election results. And I would simply say, well here is another statistical improbability. The improbability that all three of one’s children would end up marrying Jews! I think that’s something worth thinking about again.

 

 

And if you haven’t read my essay “Jewish Intermarriage with Native Elites”, then I think you certainly should do so in the next few days. I think it will help contextualize some of the things that surely will unfold over the next four years.

 

So there is an ambivalence there, a certain ambivalence, a certain trepidation about Trump. And I think over the four years of Trumpism that we have thus far witnessed that there were concerns more or less confirmed. Certainly I don’t feel any radical need to revise any of my initial concerns. I felt right at the outset that was what we would see would be more or less a continuation of the non-negotiables of what you might call “The Deep State” or ZOG, or whatever label you wish to place on the fact that this system, as we know it, would more or less continue.

 

 

So we have seen the ongoing expansion of GloboHomo, for example. We’ve seen the fixation on GDP, as the axis upon which global happiness is supposed to turn. We’ve seen the relentless and flamboyant “Village People” promotion by Donald Trump of homosexuality in remote African States.

 

 

And we’ve had this bizarre spectacle, this bizarre sight of evangelical Christians in the Red States cheering on a President who is actively pushing sodomy in African backwaters. So it takes on a kind of surreal perspective whenever you look at it in the cold light of day.

 

 

So there’s been a continuance of these things, and certainly there’s been a continuance of the American-Israel symbiotic relationship.

 

 

This habit of unquestionably donating to Israeli military ambitions, and providing Israel with all of the diplomatic and institutional support that it so desperately seeks from the United States. This has all continued unchallenged, unabated, and unscathed.

 

 

So when the first turn in the votes, shall I say, in favor of Joe Biden occurred, a quote came to mind from the book “Anarchy and Christianity” by the French philosopher Jacques Ellul.

 

 

Ellul will be familiar to some of you, because he wrote a book called “The Technological Society”, which I think he floats his disgust, on at least one occasion, and which is certainly complementary, or certainly supplementary, to Ted Kaczynski’s* writings. It’s basically decrying the influence of technique, and technology on society. And I believe that Jacques Ellul is a philosopher worth paying some attention to.

 

[*Theodore John Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber, is an American domestic terrorist, anarchist, and former mathematics professor. He was a mathematics prodigy, but he abandoned his academic career in 1969 to pursue a more primitive lifestyle. Source: Wikipedia]

 

Now in “Anarchy and Christianity” Ellul basically makes the argument for Christian anarchism. He claims that anarchism is something that can never be genuinely politically fulfilled. But he makes a case that Christianity itself is an anarchist doctrine. Now I don’t agree with the central premise of the book. And overall, actually, it’s not that interesting of a book. But there are some interesting quotes and arguments made within it. And one of those quotes which stuck in my mind and which was resurgent in that initial turn of the votes towards the election of Joe Biden, was the following, quote:

 

“All our political forms are exhausted and practically nonexistent. Our parliamentary and electoral system, and political parties, are just as futile as dictatorships are intolerable. Nothing is left! And this this nothing is increasingly aggressive, totalitarian, and omnipresent. This nothing!”

 

When I sat back and I started thinking about the transition which is surely to play out between Trump and Biden, I listened to all of the media uproar and the discussion of how America is so partisan now, and all of the differences between Biden and Trump, and how this was going to change, and that was going to change.

 

 

And certainly on some level there are going to be some superficial, and I suppose not so superficial changes taking place. There are certainly going to be a radical change in the mood of American government.

 

There’s no question that even though we can doubt the sincerity of Donald Trump‘s political beliefs. And certainly have our suspicions about some of the influences coming to bear on him, that Trump was a force of an amorphous, reactionary, conservatism, which picked it’s battles and was kind of symbolically Republican, conservative.

 

 

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There’s no real coherence to Trumpism. So when I read recent news articles talking about how Trumpism may, or may not, or could, or should survive the downfall of Trump, whether it might be a resurgence, for example, in the young politician Cotton, the young senator, I have my misgivings about that. I’m not sure that we would want Trumpism to survive.

 

 

I’m not sure that it can survive without Trump because it’s so dependent on his own personality. I think that once you subtract Trump from Trumpism, what are you left with?

 

 

You are left with a kind of vague neoconservative, bland GDP worshiping, kind of a glorification of capitalism. That’s me thinking off the top of my head.

 

 

But what is Trumpism? Where does it go, beyond memes and owning the Libs with statements that don’t leave anywhere? What is Trumpism other than consecutively, and unceasingly, giving serious consideration to doing something. I’m not sure that we can encapsulate Trumpism in such a way that it can survive the downfall of Trump.

 

 

 

So anyway, with all of these debates and discussions about what might happen next and how things might change and all of this, I was focused on what will stay the same. I was focused on “the nothing” that Ellul was alluding to, and discussing there.

 

 

This “nothing”, this kind of inert, but slowly moving progress towards decline! This gradual slip into an abyss! An abyss dominated by the non-negotiables of the system global Globohomo, zionism, and the worship of GDP, and the subservience of the common man to the system, and his depressing inability to overcome it, or overturn it, in anyway.

 

 

 

I think it’s foolish of liberals, and leftists, of a sincere ideological bent, to celebrate the victory of Joe Biden. Joe Biden ultimately is as meaningless, and as incoherent, and as amorphous, as Trumpism was.

 

 

Biden will be nothing more, and has been elected as nothing more, than a symbol. He’s a symbol of being not Trump. Just as Trump was elected as a symbol of not establishment.

 

 

Both of these symbols are surface level. Both of these symbols are ultimately meaningless, and result in the ongoing frustration of an electorate that cannot seem to achieve anything, no matter how many times it votes. No matter how many times it goes to the polling booth. No matter how many shit posts they put on social media. No matter how much outrage they can manage to stoke over very superficial things. And I suppose some not so superficial things. That we just end up repeating the same pattern over, and over, and over again.

 

 

So I’m not mourning the downfall of Trump and Trumpism. And I’m not terrified of the rise of Joe Biden. I think that the challenge for people like us, is more or less the same. It is to challenge the non-negotiables of the system. It is to challenge Globohomo. To challenge the ceaseless worship of GDP the axis upon which our happiness is supposed to turn, but really under which our happiness is ruthlessly crushed and oppressed.

 

And above all we must, of course, work hard to bring down this emphasis on support for Israel as a kind of prerequisite to any meaningful and just participation in our political systems.

 

So the point I’m trying to make, I suppose, is that your task hasn’t changed, nothing has changed! There may be some differences, if anything though, in the tactical realm.

 

 

I see with the downfall of Trump, the end of the kind of meme wars, humor-based activism that marked the period, perhaps, 2015. But really it was dying by 2018. The meme wars, this idea of owning the Libs. You’re not owning the Libs! And to be fair the Libs aren’t really owning us. We are all just participating in this endless wheel, this endless cycle, which spirals ever downwards.

 

 

And we push them, they push us, in all of these superficial ways, and nothing gets achieved, nothing is accomplished, and we just simply decline.

 

 

I think that broader perspectives on the nature of the system are what are required today. And I view it as a positive that a lot of the activism in the movement in terms of producing content at the minute is system based. It’s looking at some of the philosophical, first principles, of the issues that we are facing. And it’s giving serious discussion and serious critique to things like GDP worship. And as always, criticism of Jewish influence at the highest levels.

 

 

If I want you to take away any message from this podcast, it’s that we need to challenge “the nothing”. We need to challenge “the nothing” which is increasingly aggressive, totalitarian, and omnipresent. And the best way of doing that is by creating something. We will have to create institutions that will perhaps at first be powerless. But they will be there. And they will be something that is not “the nothing”.

 

And I think that now is the time for us to refine ourselves ideologically, and to present a vision to well-meaning, well-intentioned people that is quite a part from Trumpism and Bidenism, which ultimately on the grand scale, are both indistinguishable from the other.

 

Thank you for listening. Goodbye.

 

[16:34]

 

 

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NOTE: Andrew Joyce has subsequently posted an article at The Occidental Observer expanding on this podcast topic:

Four More Years Of …

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Luke Ford – Andrew Joyce On The Jewish Question — Apr 17, 2017 — Transcript

David Duke Interviews Dr Andrew Joyce — TRANSCRIPT

Red Ice Radio: Dr Andrew Joyce – The History of Jewish Influence — TRANSCRIPT (Part 1)

Red Ice Radio: Dr Andrew Joyce – The History of Jewish Influence — TRANSCRIPT (Part 2)

 

 

TOO – Andrew Joyce’s Podcast – Talmud and Taboo — Part 01 – Jun 30, 2020 — Transcript

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[Laura Towler, Deputy Leader of Patriotic Alternative, has a lively, humorous, and informative chat with Mark Collett, Leader of PA, the Ayatollah (of TASOB — The Absolute State of Britain podcast), and Horus (videographer) about the current state of nationalist politics and tactics in Britain today, and PA’s progress as a movement to unite patriots.

The subject, “Are We the Bad Guys?” dealt with how hate organizations, such as Hope Not Hate, and the hostile “elite” and its (((media))), attempt to portray nationalists as “evil” for wanting to stand up for the British people and fight to keep Britain from being turned further into the Third World in coming years and decades.

It was also a special occasion for Laura as she celebrated her birthday during the week, making ever quicker progress towards her 40th year, according to rumour!

 

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Laura Towler

Are We the Bad Guys?

Mark Collett, the Ayatollah

and Horus

 

Aug 24, 2020

 

 

 

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TRANSCRIPT

(96:28)

 

[00:00]

 

 

Laura: Okay. Good evening ladies and gentlemen. We should be live welcome to the stream. I hope everybody’s doing well it’s Sunday evening at seven o’clock in the United Kingdom. And anybody who’s listened to the last couple of streams that I’ve done you might remember that I said I was going to do a stream every month.

 

So this is my August stream. And I thought I’d do it this week, because this week is my birthday. So, I thought it might be fun to do a bit of a birthday stream. It’s not actually today but it is this week. So it’s like my birthday week stream, I guess.

 

So I’ve had a really good weekend. Yesterday we went away and stayed overnight in like a converted barn kind of thing. It was really cozy went out for some food for my birthday and then today we had a Yorkshire regional group, you know, the Patriotic Alternative regional group meet up. And we went for a hike and we walked about I think about six and a half miles.

 

And Mark we actually broke the record for the youngest ever hiker. The previous record was a young girl of 10 years old who comes with a dad. But today we had a six-year-old boy who walked with us and he walked about six and a half miles. I mean, to be fair he did spend most of that on his dad’s shoulders, but he gave it a shot.

 

So let’s just jump straight in. We’ve got until about half past eight. So we’ve got an hour and a half.

 

But let me introduce my three guests. So first of all I’m joined by Mark Collett who needs no introduction but I’ll give him a quick introduction anyway. He was described by Hope Not Hate last week as being one of the UK’s most notorious fascist figures! [chuckling] Mark and how are you?

 

 

Mark: I’m very well I’m just slightly disappointed that I wasn’t the most, just one of the most, which means I have more work to do. Very happy birthday to you Laura! How does it feel to reach the big 4-0 [laughter]?

 

Laura: There’s gonna be another rumor going round!

 

Mark: That’s just a little troll for all the people who have spent the last month trying to work out your age. And after all of their big brain takes they still got it wrong. We know you are not over 40! Thank you for such a lovely introduction. And also well done on the event today. That is fantastic news that we’ve got a new youngest PA hiker! That is absolutely brilliant! That is what I like to hear!

 

I really look forward to the eventual time when we get a proper family event up and running, so we actually get whole families turning up. And I think that would be a really positive development for us.

 

Laura: Yeah the hikes if anyone’s not been to a PA event before, do get involved, because they are very family focused. We also had a girl who came to our group today and she’s never been to any event before. So it was her first event. She had a really nice time we went for the hike. She actually threw it down as well.

 

I got home and my socks were wet! There’s nothing worse than wet socks! But afterwards we went for some food in the pub and yeah, it was just really nice.

 

 

You know, if women are turning up by themselves, then it must be quite a comfortable safe environment. So yeah, it was really good!

 

So I’ll move on to the Ayatollah who is back by popular demand. My audience absolutely loved the Ayatollah. I’m not sure what to say to be honest, but I’m joking. But so he is one third of the TASOB podcast, The Absolute State Of Britain podcast, and I hear you’ve actually started your own YouTube channel as well. Is that right the Ayatollah?

 

 

Ayatollah: Yeah I have, although I’m starting to feel a little bit guilty, because I’ve been plugging it for a good month, or more now, I’ve not actually done anything yet. But the plan is, once I’ve figured out things like, you know, Entropy and Superchats to start doing a sort of a light-hearted stream on a Friday night. Now D-Day at the moment, if you forgive the inclement analogy, given all the things we understand, is going to be Friday the 4th of September. So I’ll get something sorted out for them. But it should be a good laugh.

 

But yeah, happy birthday Laura! I logged into Twitter to promote, sort of retweet, and let everyone know that I was on your channel. And then like my mentions were deluged with like birthday wishes for you. I suppose, you know, when I’m in the 80s, I hope people care about me as much as they do about you! [chuckling].

 

Because, you know, I was leafing through my bible earlier on and I forgot that you do actually get a couple of mentions in the last stages of the Old Testament when they’re talking about, you know, rising nativism, over in northwestern Europe!

 

So it sounds like you spent your birthday on the set of Emmerdale Farm, and then like you went to see the wolf pack. And then you like the next day you went for a ramble with the Dingle family, or something. Am I sort missing any details, I’m missing there?

 

Laura: It was exactly like that, yeah!

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, yeah very, Yorkshire!

 

[05:00]

 

Laura: Yeah proper Yorkshire. Yeah, it was in North Yorkshire that we went to. It was dead good.

 

So yeah, so my third and final guest, sorry for making you wait so long, but it’s Horus! Who is a video maker and he makes really informative videos about, usually about historical topics, but all sorts of stuff. I think everybody who’s watching will be familiar with who Horus is. But hello Horus how are you?

 

 

Horus: I’m good thanks, yeah. Happy birthday! And did you have Yorkshire pudding yesterday, or?

 

Laura: No, I didn’t actually I’m kind of addicted to Hunter’s Chicken at the moment. Every time I go out, I just have Hunter’s Chicken. So it’s like chicken, bacon, cheese, and barbecue sauce. And I’ll just have that with salad. But yeah, I had Hunter’s Chicken. I’m actually going to start doing keto tomorrow. And yeah, we’ve decided, me and my fiancee, that we’re going to start doing keto tomorrow

 

Ayatollah: Tomorrow!

 

Laura: yeah [chuckling] because I’ve been eating really healthy for about six months now. But I just want to kind of speed things up a little bit. Obviously getting married in November. So yeah, high fat, low carbs, I think it is. But I need to research it a bit more. But yeah.

 

So we’ve got some good topics to talk about today. And I mentioned earlier that Mark was described by Hope Not Hate as one of the UK’s most notorious fascist figures. I’m not sure who the other ones are. But I thought we’d talk about the report from Hope Not Hate, because I’ve titled this video “Are We the Bad Guys?”.

 

And obviously according to Hope Not Hate we are the bad guys. Just one moment let me share my screen. Entire screen. So the screen should be sharing now. And this is the tweet that Hope Not Hate put out when they announced their incredibly scary report.

 

 

Look how over-dramatic it is. It’s like:

 

“WARNING: NEW FASCIST GROUP IS TRYING TO REVIVE RACE SUPREMACY IN THE UK

Read our report on Patriotic Alternative, a fascist, anti-semitic, White nationalist organization trying to unite the British far-right.

READ IT NOW”

 

It’s just so over emotional and effeminate. And they always use this photograph of me and Mark, where I think we just look incredible and nice! [chuckling] And it just doesn’t make sense to have those crazy emojis and capital letters and stuff next to that photo.

 

But let’s take a look at the report, because it’s just so over emotional and, so over the top! So it’s Patriotic Alternative let’s see if I can, … Can you guys see that on the screen all right?

 

Horus: Love that picture!

 

 

Laura: Yeah. So that’s the banner that we did at the top of Mam Tor*, White Lives Matter. There’s obviously me and Mark stood at the side. Yes, so it’s like:

 

“It’s founder is Mark Collett, formerly Director of Publicity for the British National Party, one of the UK’s most notorious fascist figures.”

 

It talks about who we are:

 

“What is Patriotic Alternative?”

 

That’s our excellent banner as well, that we did outside York Minster, for Indigenous Peoples Day. The speakers from the last conference. And then it talks about our “extremism”. So it’s things like “fascism, racism ‘Holocaust’ denial”.

 

 

There’s a bit about the Hundred Handers there. Mark Collett. I’ve got my bit. It’s now Laura Tyrie, aka, Laura Towler. I think it’s going to be Laura Axley Lennon [laughter]! One of those things now, where they always feel the need to say that. And there’s some quotes from Mark.

 

 

I was laughing my head off at these quotes, [chuckling] because they’re from like 20 years ago! And they just seem like so out of place, and mental!

 

I hate that photograph that they use of me as well. I feel like I look bug eyed. But I think I chose that one, because I wasn’t smiling on it. Some more photos from Indigenous People’s Day.

 

It’s just a really kind of rushed, over emotional, report. And I thought it might be good this evening to kind of explore what it means to be “good” and “bad”. Because we get told all the time that we’re really bad people, that we’re extreme! That we want to like murder everyone, and stuff like that. And we don’t! We just love the British! And we love Britain, and we want to keep it safe.

 

And I think the difference between nationalism and globalism, is that nationalists care about their people and understand that they can’t save the whole world, whereas globalists want to save the whole world, but they’ll do that to a detriment of their own people. And it puts our own people at risk. So I don’t understand why, well I do understand why, but, you know, playing devil’s advocate, we have to be the bad guys all the time.

 

But if we go around the panel. Mark do you want to talk about it first? You’ve put up with this for 20 years haven’t you? You’ve been like the most evil person in the world!

 

[* Mam Tor — is a 517 m hill near Castleton in the High Peak of Derbyshire, England. Its name means “mother hill”, so called because frequent landslips on its eastern face have resulted in a multitude of “mini-hills” beneath it.]

 

[09:30]

 

Mark: Official? Is that now my official title? Officially, de facto, the most evil person in the whole world! Yeah, I have! And it’s kind of one of those crosses that you have to bear. And it’s very interesting really, because really we’re trying to simply create a future for our children. We’re trying to secure the existence of our people. And what really could be more noble, or more natural than making your life’s work to ensure that your kind survive, that you prosper? And doing so in your own nation. We’re not talking about setting up empire 2.0! We’re not talking about colonizing other people’s nations. We’re not saying:

 

“Well our nation is going to be destroyed by natural disasters, so we need to invade another country and take it over.”

 

We’re just saying:

 

“We want the land our ancestors lived on, we want it for us! And we want to survive! And we want to take our destiny into our own hands!”

 

Now, none of that is really, particularly, outrageous. It’s not outrageous at all in fact! And it is something that’s afforded to every other group.

 

Yet when we try to do it we are the bad guys. And often one of the difficult things is, you’re treated as bad guys for trying to warn people that such terror is coming their way.

 

And for two decades I’ve been saying this is going to get worse! We’re going to become a minority! And as we become a minority, we will become victims of racial attacks, of grooming, we will be treated worse than second-class citizens, and will become an absolute underclass!

 

And obviously, as those two decades went by, my position has become more and more vindicated.

 

But even so, even in today’s climate. When you see so many problems in the West. When you see “Black Lives Matter”. When you see the problem with the promotion of pedophilia by the mainstream media, by Netflix. When you see who controls the media. When you see the messages they’re pushing on school children. When you see mass immigration. When you see the number of people coming in illegally. You see all of these problems, we’re still treated as the bad guys for pointing it out. And I think that is a cross we have to bear, we have to bear it, and we have to smile.

 

The only thing we must always be careful not to do is when we present ourselves, we must always be smiley and nice.

 

 

And I think in the past one of the problems that nationalism’s had is, because we’ve always been called the bad guys people have played up to that stereotype. And I think that’s a bad thing. And one of the great things about PA, is the pictures they’ve got from us at all PA events absolutely fantastic! And anyone looking at the pictures of us and the kind of events we hold and the people who attend it and then looking at the bad guy narrative, are going to be very confused, because there’s a huge disconnect there between their narrative and reality.

 

Laura: Yeah, that’s absolutely spot on! And I remember when I gave my speech at the last Patriotic Alternative conference and I finished by saying the words:

 

“If we have to bear the burden of being villains, then so be it.”

 

And I think in a way you kind of you do end up embracing it and just thinking:

 

“Call me whatever you want, I do not care!”

 

And it’s like water off of a ducks back. You get called every single name so many times you just you stop caring. Like you literally do not care. But that doesn’t mean that we should start acting like bad people. I think you should embrace it in a way where you don’t allow it to get to you.

 

I think the thing that I really love about PA is how it’s so family focused, and it’s not people wanting to go out and have a scrap. I mean, sometimes you get really angry and you do just kind of want to punch someone. But we always have to remember why we’re involved in this.

 

And Ayatollah, if I could come to you, you’re probably, if I had to name one person who responds the best to being called names, [chuckling] it’s probably you. You really do embrace it, don’t you, on Twitter?

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, with a little help from the late, great, Derrick Day. Yeah, you know, to be honest, the older I get the less, and less, patience I have with these people. So what I did was I set a little time aside, took some video clips from things like Father Ted, and other sorts of things like that. And I tend to just respond to these people with those.

 

These people, look. There are certain ways in which they got power over you if they’re able to dox you, you know, try and get you sacked, or whatever, threaten you with violence.

 

In a lot of context though if you’re upset, like the most they can do is wield their anti-White false morality. And if you show them, if you just give that the finger, all they can do is be outraged at you for being a transgressor against the occupier’s morality.

 

I mean, just to pick up pick up on something Mark was saying about, you know, his position’s always been the same, and he’s been vindicated. I mean, just to attest to that, if you look back at the old Russell Brand thing featuring Mark from years ago. There’s clips of it on YouTube. You go in the comments on those YouTube clips and it’s full of people saying:

 

“Yeah, well Collett was right wasn’t he Russell? He was right, wasn’t he?”

 

I mean, look at us now! Look at the ‘new normal’ Russell, 15 years on, or however long ago it is. It’s maybe longer ago than that now, 18? I don’t know.

 

But yeah, you know, on the idea of us being the bad guys, I’m going to sound like a broken record, obviously I’ve appeared on a couple of streams on your channel before Laura. I’m mindful that you’ve got a much larger and sort of broader, you know, ideologically broader audience than I usually speak to on The Absolute State Of Britain. [15:07] But we’ll have some regular listeners, listening. And they’ll be familiar with me saying like the same things every week. But it bears repeating, this only makes sense if you understand, and again I say this mindful of the fact that you’ve got some people who are basically nationalist in their instinct, but don’t fully understand maybe all the issues yet, and they’re getting there. As are a lot of the people that sort of come to our podcast and they, you know, things start sort of falling into place, if I’m not giving us too much credit.

 

But all of this only makes sense, the idea that people that want to preserve, the people that want to defend their own collective interests, and just basically want to be left alone, and want to have a normal functional society which is going to be largely homogenous. And to the extent that it’s not homogeneous it’s going to be understood that the indigenous group are the politically, and culturally, and institutionally, dominant group, no questions asked. And that is preserved, and that is respected, doesn’t need to be any animosity in with that. It’s just something that’s understood.

 

Same as if you’re a guest in somebody’s house. You might very well feel at home, however, you don’t get to start saying what color they paint the bathroom. Now that’s a crude analogy. However, I think it probably makes sense to people. But none of this makes sense again without understanding that we are under the occupation of — we’re about to be hostages, at this point, really — of (((people))) who bitterly resent us, they have a historic sense of vengeance against us! They’ve got a pathological sadism, and vindictiveness! And they wish to dispossess us, to humiliate us, and ultimately, … Yeah, they want to blend us out!

 

You know, they control media, they’ve subverted the institutions, they’ve subverted all the apparatus of power. And they had to do it that way. And to be able to do what they’re doing, they’ve had to cultivate, and a lot of work has gone into this, they had to cultivate a false consciousness, and a false sort of morality and moral code, within the collective consciousness of our people, through sort of making being territorial and defensive of your own people, sort of presenting it as low status, and like unintelligent, and boorish. And many other things obviously.

 

The harder deterrences as well, of penalizing speech law and what have you. And efforts to sort of break up any of our efforts to organize, historically. That they had to do all of that, at great effort, through controlling media, and entertainment, and academia, and the education system.

 

 

They had to sort of cultivate this false consciousness, and this false morality, through indoctrinating people through all those means. Which has engendered this sense of guilt, and timidity, among White people for standing up for their own interests and saying:

 

“Well, this isn’t very good for us!”

 

However, reasonably. So, you know, they have to invert reality. And basically they have to pathologize, and they have, all that is normal and that is healthy and is self-preserving. If they couldn’t do that, they wouldn’t be able to do any of this.

 

And the problem they’re coming up against is, you’re never going to be totally, you’re never going to be able to totally stamp that out. There’s always going to be some people who’ve got enough about them to say:

 

“No!”

 

Essentially. And the problem they’ve got is that’s happening more and more, because it’s getting worse for people as the demographics get worse, as the propaganda gets worse.

 

You’ve only got a look at the past couple of months. You’ve only got to look at what Hope Not Hate said themselves in their report, or what the Independent said in their analysis of it, where they said like, you know, “Black Lives Matter” and things like that, they’re making the Right more racially conscious. They said:

 

“Oh they’re making them more racist!”

 

No! They’re making us more racially conscious, and they’re increasing our numbers. And I can tell you this from our listeners that people come to us. And from anecdotes from our listeners, and my own personal life.

 

Image: Black Lives Lies Matter

 

Yeah, things like the “Black Lives Matter” riots and the propaganda and everything else. Yeah, it can only go one way. This is an inevitable consequence of what they want to do. And they are sort of talking about it like, you know:

 

“How did this happen? It seems as though it’s radicalized people! It seems as though it’s polarized opinion! And it seems as though it’s cultivating a greater sense of racial consciousness, and racial awareness among White people.”

 

Well, what do you expect? You know, you cannot do what you’re doing without people pushing back and without people thinking:

 

“Well, I keep getting attacked for being White! I keep being brow beaten for it on the television, and on the internet, and in the media, and I keep seeing these riots and people pulling down statues and burning our flag.”

 

Well, yeah, it’s gonna wake people up. So it can only go one way. Yeah.

 

Laura: It’s interesting that they say that we’re the ones reviving “race supremacy”. I mean, obviously “supremacy” is not the right word to use. But racial politics. Yes. Absolutely! We do advocate for racial politics, because we recognize that race is real, and we want a homeland for our own ethnic group.

 

Image: Black Lives Lies Matter

 

But I don’t think it’s us that’s reviving it. I think the reason why the majority of people are noticing race now is because of all the other races, especially the BLM riots. Even people like my sister, who’s not into politics at all. The riots woke her up. And she’s been texting me about all sorts of stuff saying:

 

“What does ‘MSM’ mean? What does ‘mainstream media’ mean and what’s ‘virtue signaling’ Laura?”

 

And she’s now interested in politics, because the people have been pulling down statues in London, and stuff.

 

But Horus, if I can come to you, because I know you’ve been following all of this on Twitter as well. Do you think that they’re panicking? Do you think that Hope Not Hate are panicking? Because they do this thing where they kind of try and play down how serious of a threat we are. But then at the same time they’ll be like:

 

“Oh but they’re going to unite the fascist Right, and we need to keep an eye on them, because they’re dangerous!”

 

Do you think they see us as a threat? Do you think it’s like a coping mechanism that they pretend that we’re not? What are your thoughts on that?

 

[20:26]

 

Horus: I think they definitely see us as a threat. And they are right to some extent. But yeah, my impression is that they’re in disarray, because obviously we had Indigenous, … Well, White Lives Matter Day, what was it about a week before this report came out? Maybe even less than a week. And the media, I think, they have like coordinated Whatsap, or Slack groups where, you know, they’re saying:

 

“No. Let’s all agree not to report on this.”

 

And The Star broke from that for a moment, and then withdrew their story. Yeah, within a couple of hours, wasn’t it?

 

And I think the media did their job that day, but they and the political class, and the sort of range of organizations like Hope Not Hate, are not fully coordinated across all of them. I’d say all these people sort of constitute the ruling class. But it is not a thing that can easily be managed although all in one, you know, all to one purpose.

 

My impression is that people like Hope Not Hate, yeah they’re what’s the word? Sort of flailing around a bit, somewhat disorderly. I mean, yeah, so that they coordinated non-reporting of White Lives Matter, and all the amazing banners that people did. Hundreds and hundreds of them in the end, right?

 

But then a few days later Hope Not Hate putting out this Report, which to me, looks like publicity! I mean, accidentally on their part. But it, you know, those pictures are amazing! They look brilliant! [chuckling] And they’re sending that out to people. And they’re saying:

 

“You need to hate this!”

 

Right? Because. I mean, let’s not be, you know, I don’t need to point this out to you. But let’s not be confused by their name. Hope Not Hate is a hate organization! That’s what it exists for, right?

 

But yeah, my impression is they don’t really know what they’re doing. And they don’t have any clear idea of what to do with this. I mean, they’re used to having the State on their side. And the State and the Government are on their side, but the government doesn’t know exactly what it’s doing either.

 

 

I mean, this thing, maybe I’m straying from the point a little bit. But this thing in Calais, I mean, I believe the Tories want to make us a minority. They want as much immigration as possible to finish us off, as soon as possible. That’s roughly how they see it. I’m sure they’re not united on that, but the leadership of the party, I think that’s what they want.

 

But this stuff in Calais even though it’s small numbers right so it’s not actually benefiting that aim very much. It’s still happening, right? And it’s terrible for the Tory’s reputation! It’s really making them look bad! So my impression is that the whole ruling class is struggling to sort of hold itself together. And this, you know, seeing basically missteps like this, is a sign of that. I mean, the subtitle of the report was “Uniting the Far Right”, or whatever, and a question mark. I mean, ..

 

Ayatollah: That’s right, yeah.

 

Horus: I get the impression, in a way, they sort of fancy us, you know what I mean? [chuckling] Like they want, well actually, they kind of admire us. They kind of want to be us, in a way, because, you know,

 

Laura: Well they always used to use that photo with Mark, where he was like, … What were you doing Mark? Like in the forest on your bike, or something?

 

Mark: Yeah on my mountain bike. They used to love the one of me.

 

Ayatollah: An action shot, yeah! Like mud on his face!

 

Mark: That was a perfect, fantastic day.

 

Horus: And yeah, I mean, it really seemed like [words unclear] the gentile ones involved anyway. And of the others we’re talking about people who have such a strange psychology anyway. And just my impression is they, even among themselves, you know, even if they have a meeting that all the, however many people are, the same a dozen people work for Hope Not Hate, whatever. When they have a meeting, I bet their meetings are all over the place. And they don’t really have a point. They don’t really come to any conclusion, because they don’t know what to do!

 

All they’ve really know is how to use their sort of terror and intimidation tactics, which are just working less, and less.

 

And the last thing I’ll say is that another sign of this is you look under their tweets and it’s pretty much unified rejection of what they’re doing! Nobody likes them! You don’t even see a bunch of their supporters trying to combat us, it’s just rejection! It’s just people not even, you know, not even people who are wide awake, red pill nationalists. Just everyone who’s heard of Hope Not Hate, hates them!

 

Ayatollah: Telling them to get on their bike, basically.

 

Horus: Yeah, I think they’re flailing around! They still have some effect they still have the power to really cause some people some problems, but as a movement they don’t know how to deal with this. And I think it’s very encouraging.

 

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Ayatollah: I had a quick scan, if I can make a quick point, I had a quick scan some months back through Hope Not Hate’s YouTube channel, right? [chuckling] And I can tell you now over a period of like nine years of it, they had like three, or four, videos that have had more views than a weekly TASOB podcast gets. Now we’ve not got a massive audience, right?

 

And the best part was almost every video, if I can recall correctly, or a lot of them, had the likes and dislikes disabled. And obviously the comments disabled. But of the ones that didn’t have the like to dislike ratio disabled the best ratio I saw was four dislikes to one like! So look, that doesn’t accord as any power. But it does tell you, as if any of us needed it, the extent to which these people are astro turf stooges.

 

And I mean, it goes back again to the sort of, I mean, this isn’t just true of Hope Not Hate, it’s true of the sort of the anti-White Left in general. It’s a bit of an old meme now, but it still rings true, the bio-Leninism thing. The idea of like a hostile elite weaponizing the absolute, you know, the dysfunctional dregs of a society, and according them power as a sort of, in various ways, to terrorize the functional middle, or to sort of even in some cases to sort of police them to act as like moral arbiters and moral police. They give them a little bit of power to act. It’s like sort of a supervisory class.

 

And these people are a lot of them, you know, they’ve either got hostile ethnic interests — I’ll let you read between the lines as to what I mean, on that because there are very powerless, very oppressed people, who’ve got, very powerless, disenfranchised lobbying societies, that will come after Laura’s YouTube channel if I speak a little bit too freely! As powerless and as oppressed as they are, that might happen, by a sheer fluke!

 

See: Patriotic Weekly Review – with Edward Dutton

 

But a lot of these people are freaks. They’re just dysgenic freaks who wield, you know, they’re Dutton’s spiteful mutants! Yeah! But, you know, they wield the power. The little power they’re given by the occupiers, incredibly vindictively. And I mean, sadistically! Because they resent the functionality and just the normality, and the wholesomeness, of the people they wield it against. Because they understand that they’ve only got that power, because we’re not in a normal situation.

 

They understand that the normal functional people are disempowered, they want to punish them, and they understand that if those normal functional people were, as ought to be the case, the people that had the cultural and institutional power, these people would be not vindictively, but just sort of quietly shunned and not really given any say in society. That’s basically it.

 

Laura: Do you do a Dutton impression, too?

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, well actually I can actually do a passable impression of all three of the former panelists of the expansive group channel, in three seconds, just by saying “yes” in their respective voices.

 

So it’d be sort of like, you know, obviously you’ve got Dr Dutton, you’ve got Spencer, then you’ve got Keith Woods. So it’d be something like “yaah”, “yeaar”, “heheyair”.

 

Horus: [laughing] Dutton’s a little bit more posh, though. I think you need to posh it up.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah I’m being lazy mate, yeah.

 

Horus: I would just say one more thing. Like, anyone who wants to know more about Hope Not Hate, just look into their funding as well, because it comes from just billionaires and mega millionaires, and stuff.

 

See: Against Brian and Avi

 

And I did a video last year called “Against Brian Avi”, which is on my BitChute channel. It tells you some more about them. Or just go on their website. That’s what I did. So, I think it says a lot about them.

 

Laura: Yeah did, you know, they actually blocked Patriotic Alternative on Twitter? Hope Not Hate did, because.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah. I saw that.

 

Laura: And they said something like:

 

“We’re not sorry! And we’re not gonna change our view, so keep it coming.”

 

And they got a big pile on from our followers. And they ended up blocking us on Twitter. Which was pretty funny!

 

Horus: They fancy PA, and they’re trying to “negative” you., you know what I mean? They’re trying to like act like they hate you, but actually they really fancy PA! Because PA is kind of like really good looking as well. It’s got a lovely logo and everything. But it’s not like the old days. Like old times fascism where the design wasn’t that good.

 

 

Ayatollah: Like [word unclear] climbing out of his front room window, yeah. [laughter]

 

Horus: Yeah, PA actually looks really swish! They’re trying to act like they hate you, but really they’re fancy you.

 

Ayatollah: That that sort of thing always terrifies them as well. And again it tells you again the psychology of these people. They’re like curtain switching voyeurs! And they love to sort of morally place us:

 

“No you can’t say that!”

 

And then the problem they have when people just sort of do the:

 

“Yeah and what? Yeah sharp nerd.”

 

When people do that to them, it’s like it becomes apparent they’re like calling somebody racist is like to start trying to give the Terminator a “Chinese burn”. Yeah, it’s not really going to work.

 

Horus: [chuckling] They’re really put down by just unapologeticness, you know.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah. There’s no answer to it, other than doxing and everything else, you know.

 

Laura: Ayatollah, since it’s my birthday will you do your impression of me?

 

Ayatollah: Well I just have to talk about David Lammy now, I can’t really get my voice quite high enough! [laughter] If I just say that, that’ll have to do. So I’ll just say, like the thing about David Lammy, is one moment he’ll say he’s British, because like he wants to sort of play civic nationalism, and then the next moment, he’ll say he’s Ghanaian, or Guyana, or wherever his parents are from. And then the next moment he’ll say he’s African, [laughter], because he wants to campaign for reparations for slavery. This really winds me up!

 

 

But I don’t know what that says about your psychology that your idea of a birthday gift from me is that, I have the mick taken out of you, but, ..

 

Horus: The accent is good, but you just sound like a gay man, it’s just.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, well I keep saying I sound like a gay hairdresser from Luton, that’s the problem. [laughter] But yeah, I can’t get my voice high enough, you know.

 

Laura: Mark. I wanted to ask you about the media attention that we got, because when we did Indigenous People’s Day it was picked up by the local media. But I think the only sort of like major news outlet that wrote an article about was the Daily Star. And then all the comments underneath the article were really positive about us. They ended up deleting the article! And then Hope Not Hate did their report, and then obviously the entire mainstream media picked it up and we had articles in the Independent, the Daily Mirror, The Jewish Times, 44 million Facebook followers, Unilad published a post about it. And most of the comments, like 99 percent of the comments were in support of us.

 

But what do you think? Why do you think that was Mark? Because they were silent until Hope Not Hate did the report and then the Daily Star deleted their article. It’s a bit weird. Do you think they have like a coordinated news cycle, or something?

 

Mark: I think they’re very scared about talking about us. And they’re scared about talking about us for two reasons. The first is that we’re totally unapologetic! We don’t apologize for anything! We say how it is. And really if they call us “fascists”, if they call us “racist”, if they call “Nazi”, we don’t start groveling. Now that scares them a lot, because if you look at any of the other nationalist parties, especially the ones that are civic nationalist parties that openly advocate that anyone can be “British”, or that once you come here, if you say that you love the English flag, if you say you love the cross of Saint George, then England’s in your heart, and you’re just as England, English as anyone else!

 

The parties that say that, they don’t really fear them, because they know as soon as they get them in any form of debate, or they get them on the television, or they start speaking to them, they will crumble! And they’ll start dancing to the media’s tune!

 

And then there’s another thing that they are afraid of as well, that they really hate about us, is that when we do things, we do things very professionally! Everything we do looks professional, it looks slick. All of our events have been in very classy venues. They’ve all been carried off. So that anyone coming to them would be absolutely impressed by what was going on!

 

And something else that they love about the old style of nationalism is that it’s always a tatty old Union Jack that’s being badly folded, … You know, the sort that I mean, unfolded over a place table with four speakers sat behind the place table. The flag looks like it could do with a good iron. Three of the speakers look absolutely bored! And are sat there drinking their beers! And the audience is sat in the back room of some old-fashioned pub. And it looks like a scene out of a, … What was that film called? The one where, ..

 

Ayatollah: “This is England”.

 

Mark: Exactly! It looks like a scene out of “This is England”!

 

Laura: How did you get that?

 

Ayatollah: I can remember like there’s a particular scene where they go to some sort of rally, or whatever, and they’re in the back room in a pub. Having said that Jonathan Bowden did most of his speeches in the back room of a pub, didn’t they? You know, sort of:

 

“Liberalism is moral syphilis!”

 

And whatever! But, you know. Yeah, I don’t know.

 

Mark: Well, we all did at one point. But those times have passed! And it’s very interesting that we’re different to that. And I think they’re scared of us for those two reasons.

 

First thing we’re not gonna apologize, and secondly we look really professional.

 

And if you think of a group, or a group that tried to become a party. A few months ago, just after we launched PA, in fact, or, it might have been just before we launched PA. But either way, it was a good few months ago now. A group of people tried to start a party that were called “Integrity”. And it was meant to get Tommy Robinson on board. It was meant to get Sargon on board. Loads of people were meant to be joining up. And they held this inaugural meeting in a pub. Can any of you remember the footage of that meeting? It was really awful!

 

Laura: Yeah.

 

Mark: And there was guys sat at the front on those old-fashioned, you know, pub chairs, and they were cradling their beers, slowly making their way through the beers, as people stood at the front, not behind a lectern, or anything like that. It was all filmed from an awkward angle. You could tell there was only about 20 people in the room, because there was a, … You know, people were applauding. But there was a notable lack of applause. And it did look like such a throwback to the 1970s!

 

 

And that little group, I think they disappeared already, they were going to sweep PA away, they were going to be a fresh future for the Right in Britain.

 

[35:00]

 

But that group had everything wrong with it! Was one of those groups that apologizes for everything! Denies that the English, and the Scottish, the Welsh, and the Irish are distinct ethnic groups.

 

And on top of that, they were doing their meetings in a way that has been so overdone, and it just puts people off! Because it’s a negative stereotype that nationalism often plays up to. And I think that, because we do everything so differently, they’re kind of in love with us, but they’re terrified of us at the same time!

 

Laura: Do you know, they were saying that we were:

 

“Playing fake clapping sounds over our speeches?”

 

So like your audience was actually really small and you were playing fake clapping sounds of, ..

 

Mark: Oh no, this is brilliant! You see, because you see, this is such wonderful projection! Because they can only get 20, or so, people at their meetings, they have to assume that we’ve only got 20, or so, people at our meetings! So they’re thinking how could we get such good applause at our next meeting? Well PA must be playing an applause track!

 

No! No! You could just times your meeting attendance by 10 and have the same number of people at your meetings that PA does. [chuckling] But that, to them, they don’t understand that! Because they can’t imagine why we’re popular! They think we’re unpopular. They think we’re the bad guys! They think by standing up there and saying that the English don’t exist, that all of a sudden all these blacks, all these minorities, they’ll be rushing through the door to join “Integrity Purple”, you know, it’s just not gonna happen! Because no one wants that.

 

The fact is everyone is becoming racinated, and White people are looking for any group that’s big enough and strong enough to stand up and say:

 

“Hey! We stand up for the White people!”

 

And the best thing is, people will call us a “bad guy”, but the fact is, sometimes you need somebody who’s gonna stand up, take the abuse, and say:

 

“So what? We’re not backing down!”

 

And ultimately I think at a time like this, people are going to respect that.

 

Horus: Damn right! Integrity, I think in a way, they asked it around, because haven’t they just basically become Hearts of Oak? I think it’s the same guys. It’s Peter McElveen and Alan Craig, they’re certainly the two who run Hearts of Oak. I think they were the founders of Integrity, as well.

 

Mark: And they just, so basically [chuckling] they lasted about three months! [laughter] There was also this guy who calls himself “Steve Speaker’s Corner”, who thinks he’s a real big deal. He’s one of those, I’ve never, this is gonna sound really bad, and I [chuckling] probably shouldn’t say this. But do you understand, I don’t understand those Speaker’s Corner people. I don’t understand those people who go and stand at Speaker’s Corner and just shout at other people, who have diametrically opposed ideas! And they just screech each other all day and go home, and think that’s going to change the discourse.

 

But they had a guy at the Integrity [word unclear] meeting called Steve Speaker’s Corner. And he’s one of these people who just thinks that if everyone who comes there, is given a little plastic flag and waves it with all their might, that makes them absolutely British! And they should all be integrated and then we’ll all be one big happy, multi-coloured, family! What a joke organization they are!

 

Horus: He’s the sort of person who shows that civic nationalism is really just a leftist thing, right? He seems to have his main mission as just defeating ethnic nationalism. And it’s just ridiculous! It’s a joke! Complete joke! He’s really effeminate as well.

 

Laura: I think he’s always asking me to debate him on YouTube. And I just muted him, because I don’t know who he is. But Mark I want to to ask you, did you see that that Wikipedia early life guy that you’ve debated, was photographed with antifa?

 

Mark: I did. Joseph Cohen. Yes, indeed. And that doesn’t surprise me either and that’s another thing that I absolutely love about the civic nationalists! The civic nationalists, they can never ever say it’s anybody’s fault if it’s a person of color. So they’re very much like the Left.

 

[NOTE: I haven’t put this transcript up yet.]

 

And I saw all of this during the “Black Lives Matter” events, riots, looting. All of the civic nationalists were saying that it was White antifa that caused the problems, that whipped the blacks up, that made them do the crazy things. And if only the White antifa weren’t there, the blacks would all be waving flags and would be good patriots, and would be fitting in and integrating.

 

And it’s so funny, because these civic nationalists don’t realize just how close they are, to their liberal foes in terms of their narrative. They, just as much as the liberals, like to blame White people for all the failings of blacks! And it’s the same when you look at people like Joseph Cohen. If you said to all these civnats:

 

“Oh! There’s a group called the Israel Advocacy Movement.”

 

They’d all be falling over themselves to join up, and make a donation. And here you have the leader, or the organizer, of this group, and he’s there with the antifa, opposing the very people who would fall over themselves to donate to them. It’s hilarious!

 

These people are so blinkered, but blinkered by choice, for some of them, because they actually choose to ignore the facts we’re talking about.

 

Horus: I mean, Laura’s debate with Rikki Doolan, spoke volumes, because I mean, he fits in with civic nationalism. And he really, in most ways, he fits in with antifa. Like, because I think we’d all agree that antifa functions as an arm of the State, in a lot of ways. I mean, they wouldn’t admit that themselves, but, ..

 

Ayatollah: Definitely. Yeah.

 

Horus: Yeah, they serve the purposes of the State. They act as sort of an auxiliary terrorist organization against people, you know, against anyone who tries to organize as patriots, or nationalists. And I would say some civic nationalists are so stupid that they’re like an arm of antifa, also without realizing it. And they’ll convince themselves that they’re enemies of them, but they serve almost exactly the same purpose. It’s like suppressing racial consciousness.

 

And then in the case of people like Rikki Doolan especially, they do it really cack-handedly as well! [chuckling] I mean, that was beautiful! So, well done again Laura.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, this is the thing as well, just to add to that really quickly is, … I made this point when we were on PWR, and I also made it on the episode of TASOB the week before last. Where we had Mark and Laura on.

 

The more these people have got to answer us and the more they’ve got to engage with us, the more we can expose them. And what gets exposed is the fact that again, as you’ve all said, that their founding assumptions, their principles, are those of the Left. Because ultimately all they are, is impotent hostages to the Left. They’re hostages!

 

In a lot of cases they’ve got Stockholm syndrome, they believe in blank slateism, egalitarianism. And the really important one, Mark pointed out of course the example of how if a statue gets pulled down, they’ll say:

 

“Well it wasn’t the based blacks, it was White antifa, and whatever.”

 

Yeah, again it’s like:

 

“Shall not speak ill of the non-Whites under any circumstances!”

 

You know, there are no circumstances under which they can ever attribute blame to a non-Whites. Unless they’re blaming the non-White for being insufficiently liberal. So they can be critical of Muslims on those grounds, for example, to give you an example of one group, but on no other grounds. And the other sort of trait they’ll again, recourse to, is the “tactical nihilism”:

 

“Well, what even is English? What even is British? What is White?”

 

And again, the they really are just hostages! Because I mean, I think back to an article on the For Britain website, in which somebody sort of did a hit piece on Patriotic Alternative and then he was saying, he wasn’t actually called Graham surprisingly.

 

I think he might have been the one person involved other than, you know, Anne-Marie Whiskey, [Mark laughing] sorry Anne Marie Waters, who isn’t called “Graham”. I thought you had to change your name by deed poll, you know, Golden Grahams at the For Britain conference for like, you know, start a main course, for dessert.

 

But yeah, like he said:

 

“These people are the real racists, maybe we should report them to Hope Not Hate?”

 

And it’s like you’re threatening to grass on somebody to your own abusers! Because again these people get pilloried and attacked by Hope Not Hate, the likes themselves. It’s also interesting, like another one of these lower tier things, I don’t know, like “Resisting Hate”, or something like that?

 

One of these things, some months ago published this blog post saying like, :

 

“Well we’ve battled with the counter.”

 

Well they didn’t call them Counter-Jihad, …:

 

“We battled with the Islamophobes and the EDL types, and whatever, for years!”

 

And they’re almost sort of openly hearkening back on it, as like the good old days! Like, :

 

“Because we’ve got a bigger problem now! We’ve got racinated White people, collectivising as White people!”

 

And now, you know, it’s the end of level boss forum! Like:

 

“Those are the good old days, because those people they did our heads in, but they weren’t that bad! Now we’ve really got a problem, because look at it now, we’ve got this situation!”

 

Where they’re sort of, they’re having to deal with the real thing. And it’s like well I wish we could deal with people that would just backpedal all the time have and try and tell us how they weren’t racist after all and try and be on the back foot and defend themselves. And only put their guard up, rather than punch back.

 

And that’s why all these things like Hearts of Oak, and whatever else have and Integrity, or whatever. I’ve forgotten that even existed to be honest. It only rang a distant bell. They’re always dead ends! Because ultimately they can’t be honest! They can’t be honest, and there’s no sort of visceral appeal to it really, to anybody that’s got any sort of agency, and any will to really do anything. And so it’s all a bit, I wouldn’t even go as far as to say it’s a lot. But yeah, above all they’re hostages to principles which are by design anti-White and designed to work against our people! That’s it!

 

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Horus: I would just mention, at this point, Gerard Batten as well, is kind of in the middle of a tug of war between us and the sort of committed civic nationalists. Because Batten, I don’t know if people have been following this, like he’s spent most of the last week on Twitter kind of counter-signaling us. But also he’s got a history of tweeting things that are very much consistent with proper nationalism, and even racial thinking. I mean, he’s spoken about replacement, you know, :

 

“Gerard, if that’s not about race, what on earth are you referring to?”

 

But he’s got this poll, I think it’s still open for another day, or so, and we’re winning it. And it’s:

 

“Do we want to, …?”

 

I can’t remember the question, but it’s basically civic versus ethnic nationalism. And we are winning 60 – 40 when I last looked. And there’s been loads of votes! Like 12,000 votes, or more. That was this morning as well.

 

But he, I mean, we all know that he’s married to an Asian lady, and I think he’s maybe got mixed-race children and stuff. So for him obviously you can see why he’s got a motive for trying to buttress the civic nationalist narrative.

 

On the other hand he does know, I think he does acknowledge the truth. It’s like that this country is not going to still be Britain if it becomes 70, 80 percent African-Asian, right? He knows, because he said — this is one of the things that people have sort of leapt on him — for he said that:

 

“Race is hard to pin down.”

 

I don’t disagree with him there. Race is not an easy thing to define. But it still is there, you know, orange is not an easy thing to define, but we still don’t say that orange doesn’t exist. And so I think he’s, in a way, he’s kind of sparring with us. He’s kind of saying:

 

“Sharpen up your arguments and I will move more in your direction.”

 

Whether we care, or not, is it is another debate, you know, whether we need Batten.

 

But I mean, I suppose, I don’t know if you’re about to change the topic Laura, but just maybe I could just mention this thing I had on Friday evening. I went on.

 

Laura: Yeah, go ahead, yeah.

 

Horus: I went on Unity News Network, which I think it’s David Vance’s thing, I think he set that that, but it was David Klues who hosts their Friday night show. And it’s open to call-ins, like phone calls. And I phoned in, intending to groyp him really. I mean, I’ve never groyped before, and I was sort of thinking I’ll do a sort of practice groyp.

 

But, the guy took it in such good faith, and, in fact, picked it up and ran with it and asked me all sorts of questions. Nothing like calling into the big radio stations. But I ended up talking to him for an hour! And he knew all our talking points! [chuckling] And he, without me saying it, mentioned PA. He mentioned “White racial consciousness”, he used that phrase I think. And all these things, right? So him and I assume most of his audience are really talking the same language.

 

And that just makes me think, like we are in such a good position for reaching out to people at the moment. Loads of people are thinking along the same lines as we are. A lot of them don’t feel like they’re allowed to go as far as we do.

 

But that’s how I see that as our job, in meta-political terms, is making people feel like they can say exactly what they think! And I think we’re doing quite a good job with that at the moment. So everyone just needs to carry on.

 

I mean, White Lives Matter Day was just was brilliant for that! It let’s people all over the country know you have friends! You have a network and a community that you can join! So it was such a great initiative, and carried out so well!

 

I mean, I think Laura, or Mark, one of you guys, said you had no idea how many pictures would come in. And it’s just so encouraging, right? So I think we’re doing well.

 

Laura: Yeah we had over 300 pictures in total and and then, we weren’t sure how many we’d get in. I think we knew we had maybe at least five groups that were going to go out and do something. But for us to get over 300 pictures!

 

And obviously some of those pictures, like some people might have sent us three different pictures. But some people might have only sent us one picture. It was just mental, wasn’t it Mark! We just we had people all over Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, England. And then we had people in like America, I think was it Denmark, we had people as well. Yeah it was just such a show of force, and such a show of optimism and enthusiasm it was brilliant!

 

Mark: Canada, America, Denmark, Spain, Ibiza, Greece, and as far afield as New Zealand! It was amazing!

 

And whenever you do something like that you obviously want people to get on board. And to a degree, you are nervous. You’re thinking:

 

“Well we’ve asked everyone to go out and do this. We’re still quite a nebulous organization. We don’t have a head office. We don’t have branches in every city, and town, in the UK. And we’re not funding this centrally.”

 

We’re saying to people:

 

“Well you can either buy a banner, or you can print off a poster, or a sticker, or you can go and write ‘White Lives Matter’ in the sand on a local beach.”

 

And, you know, people are going to do it. You know, some people get it, but you never know how many. And you never know if it’s going to fall flat on its face.

 

But I can honestly say, I was not expecting as many people to get involved. I was blown away by the support! I’m so thankful that everyone pulled together! And to see people online saying:

 

“This was one of the biggest White pills they’ve ever seen. This made them feel part of an international community.”

 

That fills me with absolute happiness! Because that’s exactly what we’re trying to do. We’re not doing this to say:

 

“Ha! Ha! You know, isn’t PA the biggest and the best!”

 

We’re doing this so that people walk away from the day and go:

 

“Wow! I’m part of a massive international community! And I’m part of something! I’m not on my own anymore. I feel as if I’m part of this big group that everyone around me is looking out for me and doing the same thing as me! And I’m not isolated anymore! I’m not alone!”

 

And that’s what this is all about. And I think the feedback, and the feeling of kinship, and friendship, and being part of something bigger, really raised everyone’s spirits.

 

And as far as I’m concerned there isn’t any other group, especially not in Britain, doing anything like that! If you look at what other groups in Britain are doing it’s either the same tired and worn activities, or it’s quite simply just grifting. No one’s doing the kind of activities we are! And we’ve got plenty more things planned. And I hope that we can keep raising everyone’s morale. I hope that we can keep bringing people together.

 

And the fact that this weekend there are a number of different activities — which I’ve only just been told of today, that I didn’t know about — happening all over the country. That just shows how big we are getting. People are now feeling empowered just to hold their own events just to meet with other people. Just to do some little or some big activities.

 

But that’s what we need! And I’m filled with happiness, because I know that there’s so many people out there who before we started PA, they felt so alone and so isolated. And they don’t feel that way anymore.

 

When we started this we said primarily this was about community building. And we’re not only community building, but we really are dragging the Overton Window in our direction.

 

And I’ve just got to add this one last thing. None of these other shill parties were talking about race! None of them would even use the word “White” until we popped up. And it’s so funny how groups like For Britain attack me constantly, and say that I’m never gonna get anywhere, that I’ll never have any influence, that I’m wasting everyone’s time! Well if I was never going to get anywhere, if I was never going to influence anyone, then why on earth are they now talking about demographics?

 

 

And why is Anne Marie Waters talking about writing a book called “The War on White”? She’s using the word “White”, because we made her! And don’t let her ever forget that!

 

Laura: Well, she openly said in her video that she did about demographics that she was taking control of that issue now to stop extremists from picking it up and running with it! Because that’s our topic isn’t it, demographics? But yeah, I’m gonna read through some superchats if that’s okay.

 

So yeah. So there’s a few superchats. So let’s go through them. So there’s one from Gamergames for five pounds and it says:

 

“I am sorry you have to deal with this anti-woman rhetoric Laura. They are an embarrassment to us, it’s a shame feminism has totally soured them on women.”

 

Well, thank you very, very much for the superchat and like seriously don’t worry about it. I don’t pay any attention to anything that they say. There’s also a ten pounds from Lord Ian in Houston and it says:

 

“Many, many happy returns Laura!”

 

Thank you very much. 20 pounds from Me in It and it says:

 

“Happy birthday! Lovely lady!”

 

Thank you very much. Angelo Scott has superchatted five pounds and it says:

 

“Come on tell it in capital letters!”

 

I’m not sure what we were talking about. And then there’s 10 pounds from Lord Ian in Houston again. And it says:

 

“There is only one movement to be part of, Patriotic Alternative. It’s time for change!”

 

Indeed there is. And if anybody who’s listening who hasn’t registered on the Patriotic Alternative website yet, do go and do that, because you’ll be added to our mailing list and you’ll get emails about all of our events and everything that we’re getting up to. And also thank you for the superchat.

 

There’s one from Theolac for 20 CHF. I’m not sure what that is. Hmm, I’m not sure what currency that is. And there’s no message. But thank you very much for the superchat.

 

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Damien Demento nine pound 99 pence. And it said:

 

“Happy birthday Laura! Enjoy it’s well deserved!”

 

Thank you so much that’s very sweet. Michael Stoddard superchatted five US dollars and said:

 

“My challenge. I have five Anglo-Saxon kids, highly educated and accomplished. Go do likewise!”

 

I will do my best. [chuckling] But thank you for the superchat. Kevin Savage superchatted five pounds and said:

 

“The next time I vote it will be for PA. I hope it’s soon.”

 

That would be amazing I would love to vote for Peter as well myself, hopefully one day. And thank you for the superchat. There’s a few more to go through. DB Cooper superchatted five US dollars and said:

 

“Much love from the states! Keep up the good work. Let’s all go free from the anti-White narrative.”

 

Thank you very much for the superchat. Color Sergeant Bourne superchatted five pounds and said:

 

“Ethno nationalism is the only antidote to this chaos. Looking forward to Mark Collett and Laura Towler ruling GB! Anglos are rising!”

 

Thank you very much. And Theolac has superchatted another 10 CHF. I’m not sure what that is. Do you guys know what currency?

 

Ayatollah: Might be, it’s not Swiss francs is it? Yeah, I think it is Swiss francs. Yeah.

 

Laura: So it says:

 

“This is a high class high intelligence stream today congrats! Hope Not Hate have promoted PA despite their efforts.”

 

Thank you very much. And there’s a superchat from Belligerent Governor for five pounds. It says:

 

“Any thoughts on the March for Children and Veterans on Saturday? Active Patriot had a live stream on the event.”

 

I have actually followed this, but Active Patriot and I are mutuals on Twitter, although we’ve never spoken. Have you guys seen what they March for Children and Veterans thing is?

 

Horus: I haven’t seen that. No.

 

Ayatollah: Is it Nottingham? I’m not sure.

 

Laura: No I’m not 100 percent sure what it is. We’ll have to look into that. But, you know, anything that brings attention to the issues that matters we support it.

 

Lord Ian Houston superchatted ten pounds and says:

 

“If PA require funding for projects just ask.”

 

Well, thank you that’s very sweet. We do actually have a donation button on the website now. And for the last 11 months Mark and I have paid for everything ourself. And there is a way to donate to PA now if you do support our work. We don’t send out begging emails, or anything like that.

 

But if people do like the work that we do, then there is that option. But thank you for the superchat. I think that’s four superchats from this person.

 

Ayatollah: He’s giving all his money to you, hasn’t he? In one stream!

 

Laura: There’s nothing left for PA it’s all going on my birthday stream! [chuckling] And then there’s Daryl who’s superchatted five pounds. And it says:

 

“The “something” like let’s do a “blankety blank”. The “blank” forced multiculturalism on Europe! Say no to genocide!”

 

Does anyone know what the (((blank))) might be? We probably shouldn’t answer it.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, no idea [chuckling]

 

Laura: Thank you for the superchat. And then there’s Daniel Archer for five pounds. And it says:

 

“Thank you all for your hard work with PA. You guys are doing great!”

 

Thank you so much. Bugleby superchatted ten pounds:

 

“Happy birthday Laura! Have a break.”

 

Thank you very much. And the Lovely Irish Rose, nine pounds 99 pence:

 

“Happy birthday Laura! Hope you’ve had a good one.”

 

Thank you very much. Johanna’s Day five pounds. As much as, yeah, what’s that, sorry?

 

Ayatollah: I just said:

 

“Oh not him.”

 

Laura: Sorry do you know, who it is?

 

Ayatollah: Yeah.

 

Laura: But it’s I’m not sure what this is its a quote:

 

“As winter approaches the animals go into hibernation, and the ridiculousness of the 999 calls.”

 

I don’t know. [chuckling]

 

Ayatollah: I do, I do! I should explain it. It’s not that bad. Alex McNabb from TDS was like a paramedic and then he got hauled out after like Huffington Post did an expose on him. And he got hauled up in front of his like local like EMT paramedic sort of administration. And he was getting railed against by the bloke running it, who was quite a funny character, and now deceased unfortunately. Her name was like Boyce, god rest him. But he was then reading out excerpts from this satirical thing that Alex McNabb did on the TDS podcast. And that was one of the things you read out. But yeah, I’ll put a link on my Twitter account to a video of the hearings. But yeah, I’ll digress.

 

Laura: Yeah, well thanks for explaining that and also Johannes thanks for the superchat.

 

Sally Annette superchatted five pounds and said:

 

“Happy birthday Laura!”

 

Thank you very much. Jt Smith 101 five pounds:

 

“Please help promote Patriotic Alternative, all our good folks.”

 

Thank you very much. Julian Martin four US dollars and 99 cents.:

 

“What do you guys think of the National Party in Ireland?”

 

I actually know nothing at all about the National Party. Do either of you three know anything about it?

 

Horus: Yeah. Keith Woods is pretty positive about them. Yeah and they’re proper nationalists, I think. They did a good action I mean, I think they’re pretty small. I think they’re polling something like one, or two percent, or something.

 

But I think they did a good action recently [60:00] against like, pedophiles sort of ingratiating themselves into the Irish government in the form of Peter Tatchell. He’s not pedophile, but he’s a pedophile condoner, I think. Yeah, National Party seem quite solid, I think. Yeah.

 

Laura: All right, okay. I’ve never heard of them, but we’ll have to check them out then. So thank you Julian for the superchat. And there’s just a few more to get through. Roger Richard for 20 US dollars:

 

“Love you guys! Keep up the good work.”

 

Thank you very much. Tilak, 410 CHF:

 

“I would love to drop some more shekels, but YouTube is taking too much. You should run Entropy in parallel.”

 

I actually should get Entropy. I will try and get Entropy for next time. And thank you for the superchat.

 

David Marcus, 10 pounds:

 

“Thoughts on mandatory vaccinations coming our way?”

 

I’m not taking a mandatory vaccination. What do you three think?

 

Mark: Absolutely not!

 

Horus: Yeah, I’m in favor of like organized action to prevent that’s evil!

 

Laura: Yeah we need to actually explore in more depth, I think. Mark I think you and I spoke about it quite briefly once. But the stuff that they’re allowed to do you know, taking your way into isolation and all that stuff, it’s mental! So we should actually produce some content on it I think.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah. If you believe your establishment is under hostile control, and is basically engaged in dispossessing and destroying you, and you believe they’re profoundly evil, then like why would you have unquestioning trust in them to have the right intentions when it comes to vaccinations and so on, and so forth. I can’t really say a lot more on it than that.

 

But yeah, I mean, that potentially if that really sort of happens and there’s enough resistance to it, it could actually be a good way of conveying nationalist thinking to people really, and getting them on board with it.

 

Laura: Yeah. I can’t imagine many people accepting that.

 

Ayatollah: No. There’s a lot of skepticism.

 

Laura: Yeah, definitely. It’s intrusive. But thank you David for the superchat. And Lord Ian Houston superchatted two pounds and said:

 

“1, 200 likes equals 50 pounds for the Laura Tea Fund. Easy ask!”

 

Ah thank you. I don’t think I’m anywhere near that, 800 likes, so if I get another 400 likes. But thank you for the superchat.

 

Carlos Tasty Wiener superchatted three Australian dollars, and just a little picture of a dancing pair. Thank you for that. And I’ll do two more.

 

Eddie from Glasgow five pounds and it says:

 

“Happy birthday Laura! Keep up the good work folks.”

 

Thank you very much.

 

And then there’s one from Mark Mullett and it says, five pounds:

 

“All you are brilliant! Mark Collett for PM within the next 10 years. We can do it!”

 

I would love to see Mark as the Prime Minister within the next 10 years. Mark, if you’re the Prime Minister can I be the Minister of Repatriation?

 

Mark: Umm, no! [laughter]

 

Laura: Why not?

 

Mark: You are supposed to be Deputy Leader, so that is your role! You would be Deputy! You can’t then run off and have your own other Department, as well as being Deputy! You’ve got to be Deputy.

 

Horus: The Prime Minister hogs the best.

 

Mark: But then I’d have to find a new Deputy, and that would be time consuming and annoying! It’s job that everyone wants to do, the deportations.

 

Horus: Obviously it’s not only the Minister of Repatriation that’s the plum job. Also the person who actually gets to physically do the action. It’s also really going to be really enjoyable! Like I actually dream, .

 

Mark: Repatriation gets to sort of go around in like an armored car literally, .

 

Ayatollah: With 15 grand!

 

Mark: [laughter] Loading illegal migrants onto carriers, or anything. I’m not sure it works like that guys.

 

Horus: I want to have a boat ready. And I want to have like a gang plank leading up to it. And I push David Lammy up to the door of the boat. And I put like a muddy boot print on his bum as he goes in! I really want to do that! [chuckling]

 

Laura: Yeah, I legitimately have fantasies about doing things like that [chuckling]

 

Mark: I can tell you this, if this stream had been on my YouTube channel, my YouTube channel would not exist anymore! [chuckling] this is such a miracle we are still live!

 

Horus: We’ll rein it in, I’m sorry.

 

Laura: We’re obviously talking about in Minecraft, because in real life, obviously we’re just talking about in Minecraft. And do you guys want to talk about the second topic, because I’m actually really impressed with this. Horus, of course, I think you should lead on this, because. Was It’s to do with Operation Broken Fence. Do you want to introduce that?

 

Horus: Yeah, all right. So I suppose if you put it in one sentence it would be, like a lot of us spend a lot of time online anyway on social media, Twitter especially. I’m calling for everyone who pays any attention to me [65:00], or to others around me, and to just make the most of that time online. And by that, I generally refer to [chuckling] I don’t want to single them out, but, you know, Friendly Spurg on, … I don’t know if he’s listening, but he’s a good fellow. He’s a bright fella. I assume he’s quite young, as well.

 

But he’s on Adam’s Friday Night Britain podcast, which is pretty good. Everyone should check it out. He spends his time arguing with people online, who are just not only never going to be swayed, or like persuaded of that position, but are also likely to report him! I’m saying, let’s do the exact opposite of that. And it’s look out for people quite focusedly, find people who are already frustrated patriots but who feel like they’ve got no one looking out for them and tell them about PA.

 

And so it consists mainly in identifying threads where there’s a lot of replies, you know, a few dozen, or more, sometimes obviously hundreds. And there’s two main things. One is just look at who’s retweeted these things. Say there’s a thread saying:

 

“How can we let these people have hotels when there’s veterans on the streets?”

 

Absolutely, right? Just look at who’s retweeting that, follow all of them right. And then 24 hours later all the ones who haven’t followed you back, unfollow them. That gets your follower account up with highly active people, and people of similar mind, right?

 

So you’re blending your following with new people. You’re widening your circle with people who want to hear what you want to say, and who want representation.

 

And the second thing, which is probably I don’t know, more maybe more time consuming. But I think it is quite fruitful, is go in the reply, never ever waste any time replying to the actual main tweet, because by and large, you know, a huge timeline full of replies. Don’t bother replying to them, pointless, waste of time!

 

Go through and look at all the people replying. You will find especially now with this illegal immigrant invasion going on across the channel, loads of people going:

 

“I can’t believe I voted Tory!”

 

Right. Tell them about PA! They’re crying out for it! Send them the plan, or just send them the home page. And say:

 

“Look there’s a mailing list on here. You can stay in the loop.”

 

I hope this, you know, you guys who run the website you can tell me if this is actually a good tactic from your end. I mean, I don’t know, maybe you’ve got a limit on the mailing list, or whatever. But if not, I’m basically just trying to tell people:

 

“Get in the loop, right! You don’t have to join. Doesn’t cost you any money. You’re not committed to anything. But you can just hear from an organization that wants to stand up for you!”

 

So it’s just, because it’s kind of like evangelizing right? And I tell, you know, there’s other tips that go along with this. Don’t be rude. Don’t be obnoxious in any way. Don’t tell people that they’re sheep. You know, [chuckling] anything like that. Also don’t be really blunt and extreme. Don’t obviously post pictures of the Austrian painter! Don’t lead in with, don’t just go:

 

“Watch ‘Europa the Last Battle’!”

 

See:

 

It’s too, it’s like going in dry, you know what I mean! You’ve gotta have some sense of where they are, right? And who wants to hear what, you know, who wants slogans? Who wants essays? Who wants, … But by and large, posting the plan, people love it! Honestly! You get people every day going:

 

“Wow! This plan is amazing!”

 

Right. So I’ve already got a few people doing this. And yeah it works. Especially as you work in a team. I see say Steve Stream Fellow, he’s one guy on Twitter who does it. I’ll see he’s talking to someone, it comes up in my feed. And I’ll then reply to that person who showed some interest. I’ll say to them:

 

“Oh yeah just if you look on the main page of this website, there’s a mailing list you can join.”

 

Or others will reply, and just:

 

“Go follow the Twitter account.”

 

That’s taking the Twitter account. So we just, you know, working as a team. And we’re just getting more and more people into the sort of the wide circle, getting informed about what PA is doing. And so it really all it is, is just organized and, you know, coordinated Twitter activity.

 

Also there’s people doing it on Facebook. Facebook’s somewhat different, because you’re using your real name and, you know, it works differently. The site works differently. But Twitter’s great for it! Because it’s just so open! And the other thing I would say about it is just I did a stream on this a couple of months ago. So you can see that on my BitChute channel is just called “Operation Broken Fence”.

 

But I keep banging on about it all the time. And my main aim with it is just to get dozens of us doing it. And together we’ll have a far stronger effect than one person doing it. And it’s just, you know, every day another few dozen, or even a few hundred more people who haven’t heard of PA, who want a group like PA, are hearing about it. And I really think it’s working.

 

So anyone listening, you know, all you need is a Twitter account. And I’ve told you how to get your follower account up again. I mean, I’ve got nearly 7000 followers now. At the start of 2019, I had, I think, less than 1000. And I got it up by the method I said, just following and unfollowing. And I did it by looking out for popular tweets by Gerard Batten, typically.

 

But there’s others, like Farage, and so on. Batten’s a good one, because he [70:00] straddles civinat and ethno-nationalist. You know, he says some ethnat things. So you you’ll just see exactly the kind of people who are ready to hear our message are following him and retweeting his stuff.

 

So I hope that gives some explanation of it. It’s just being trying to be efficient with your time online, and on social media. Trying to get as much out of it as you can.

 

Laura: Yeah. So there’s the hashtag Operation Broken Fence. If you go check that out on Twitter you can see all of our guys doing this. And I actually manage the Patriotic Alternative Twitter account, and I see our guys sending the plan to people and then comments from those people saying:

 

“Thanks. I’ll check it out.”

 

And then they follow us. And it happens quite a lot, every single day. And our followers are going up quite fast, because I think when it’s one-on-one and, rather than you just reading somebody else’s comment, you’re actually getting a message saying “check out this”, you do click on it. And you do have a look. So it might take you, you know, 20, 30 seconds, or something to write our tweet and send it to somebody. But it does seem to have a big impact.

 

And our followers are going up, and lots of new people are checking up PA. So it’s a really good tactic! If you are on Twitter and you’re just messing about, you’re scrolling through, you’ve got a spare half an hour, or something, just send people our plan, or just the website, or there’s a guy called Steve that usually sends my videos and says:

 

“Laura’s the deputy of PA. What do you think about this?”

 

He actually finds specific topics that people are talking about. So if somebody’s complaining about indoctrination in the education system, he’ll send them one of my videos about that.

 

Or if somebody’s complaining about the environment being damaged, because of mass immigration, he’ll send them my video about that. It’s just really good! Yeah, it’s just helping people discover PA.

 

So Horus I need to say thank you for doing this, and also everybody else who’s been helping out. Mark. What do you think?

 

Mark: I think this is an incredible idea! And Horus said something that’s so important. And it’s something that we’ve said as well in the past. Don’t waste your time arguing with people who are diametrically opposed to you! Don’t waste your time talking to people who are never, ever, going to come over to the other side! Or to our side, should I say.

 

Now the issue you’ve got here is highlighted by Rikki Doolan. He spent the, I think this Saturday, down in Nottingham. And there’s some really cringe-worthy footage of that guy, where he’s arguing with antifa. And he’s desperately saying to them:

 

“But don’t all lives matter? You’ve got to agree that everyone’s lives matter, don’t they?”

 

And he’s trying to win these people over! He’s trying to beg them! He’s trying to prove to them that he’s not racist! He’s trying to out debate them. They’re not joining his movement! He’s wasting his time!

 

What you need to do, is speak to people who are just about to join our movement. Who are sick of UKIP, who have probably been through several political parties. Are looking for real answers, real solutions. Talk to them! Don’t waste your time!

 

And I see loads of nationalists doing this. They’re in all these public debate groups on Facebook, and they spend hours in these back and forths with people having the same arguments, day in, day out, being led round by the nose by the same group of trolls! Don’t! Absolute complete waste of time! Do what Horus is saying. It works, it’s a really good use of your time. That is what you want to be doing.

 

Horus: And with antifa type people as well, they just want to get you booted off. They just want to de-platform you. So, I just block anyone who looks anything like antifa, whatsoever. And another tip is like vary your tweets a little bit. Like don’t just post exactly the same tweet partly also, because Twitter will maybe treat you as a spam bot if you do that. But also just, because it looks robotic if someone, you know, thinks what you’re saying is interesting but they look on your feed and they see that you’ve spammed it to everyone else. Don’t do that right, because it just looks robotic to them. So vary it about, which does take a little bit more time. But it’s worth it.

 

Also, anyone who wants to contribute who hasn’t got much time, if you see something in your timeline that just looks like a thread that’s going to be full of people replying who are, you know, fertile ground for our message, just retweet it with the hashtag operationbrokenfence. And me, or one of the other accounts will see it and retweet it and get it going. So it just becomes a team effort.

 

And I just, yeah, I’ll echo again what Mark said. I’m so glad that we agree on this. Like it’s just, do not bother talking to people who are just committed enemies of us! It’s going nowhere! And just the mention of Rikki Doolan, just makes me laugh as well. [chuckling]

 

Laura: Yeah! Ayatolla, did you want to jump in?

 

Ayatollah: Yeah. This sort of thing does work, but as both Mark and Horus have said, the key is look we’ve only got so much time. The key is to know who’s likely to be receptive and who can be brought around. And obviously that sort of common sense. You can gauge that by the sort of things they’re saying [75:01]. And it’s a matter of knowing how to talk to people.

 

I mean, I sort of think, you know, I probably wouldn’t be the best for this really, because I tend to sort of favor the aggressive Socratic question. But then that’s usually when I’m dealing with people that I’ve got utter contempt for, rather than people I’m trying to bring round.

 

Again, you know, you’ve got to be sort of friendly with people. And in some ways you can sort of present maybe the Socratic question in a way that is just making it clear that it’s favorable to their interests. It’s like:

 

“Well why do you think?”

 

You know in fact, a lot of times you don’t want to talk about “you”, because don’t make them feel like they’re an idiot, like they’ve been hoodwinked, you know. Don’t say:

 

“This is what they’re trying to do to you! This is how they’re trying to make you think!”

 

Say:

 

“This is how they make us think.”

 

So you’re making it an “us and them”. You know, your language and the subtleties are important. But don’t think this sort of thing in general doesn’t make a difference. I mean, I can tell you now, I talk to a lot of our listeners, and in the time I’ve been doing that, it’s immensely encouraging, because you hear about people who’ve had their views changed radically in a short space of time by listening to a couple of podcasts and whatever. Just through things they’ve learned, and just through certain little rhetorical questions that they’ve had put to them while they’re listening. It can come in many forms.

 

Obviously a lot of people are sort of racially awakened by things like the “Black Lives Matter” situation, and so on, and so forth.

 

I’ve also had people tell me that that their knowledge was expanded and their views change dramatically by reading comments on YouTube videos. Reading, not watching the videos, you know, obviously they’ve watched the videos, but reading the comments. And so everybody can contribute to this.

 

Again as we said you don’t need a YouTube channel, you don’t need a sort of a major profile, like that. You don’t need a podcast. You just need the knowledge and you need the will to contribute.

 

But again, it does need to be sort of organized, and people need to sort of share their knowledge of what works, and sort of do it in a concerted way. Which is what’s so good about what Horus has been doing, and what he’s been leading.

 

And another thing that’s important in this, and this sort of goes back to something we were talking about earlier with regard to making people know they’re not alone, and they’ve got friends, and they’ve got people who think the same way, and have the same questions about the situation in which we find ourselves, and about where the power lies, is, … Volume is important as well, because a majority of people, they’re decent people, but they’re not going to be renegades. They’re going to be led.

 

They’re going to think there’s something wrong with them if they have the impression they’re in a minority thinking the way they do. They’re going to need validation by numbers. So if they see a lot of people saying the same sort of thing it’s like:

 

“Well, I’m not morally flawed. I’m not a bad person. I’m not losing my mind! I am right!”

 

You know, we’re a social species, so that’s natural. So we need a lot of people doing it sometimes, because obviously, you know, engaging with people one-on-one is obviously one thing, but in the sort of the gamut of these sort of tactics more broadly, yeah, the reason we talked with such glee about people like, was it Unilad getting ratioed when they did the thing on Indigenous People’s Day? Is, because it’s one thing that you’ve got a load of people saying:

 

“Well I totally agree with what they’re doing.”

 

That’s great! And that’s a great sign of where we already are. But how many more people would have read that and thought:

 

“Yeah there’s nothing wrong with me thinking the world I think, because I agree with these people. But I was in denial about it and I would have been afraid to say it. But actually now I can see there’s loads of other people that agree.”

 

So how many more people now have come out about it? That’s what’s so important about having volume! That’s also why the enemy tries so hard to sort of atomize us and to shut us up, because god almighty! If people had the impression that, yeah, most people agree with this!

 

See:

 

That’s why they were so annoyed about “We Were Never Asked” and coming out 70 percent of people don’t want to be a minority in their own country! If people, if they have the sense they’re not alone and that everyone agrees with them, well they’ve got a massive problem on their hands!

 

Horus: And the enemy are so good at making themselves look big as well.

 

Ayatollah: Yes.

 

Horus: The other thing I was going to say is that you touched on YouTube. Yeah, and I think John Smithy in the chat put the same thing. We can do exactly the same thing on YouTube as well. I mean, it’s a little harder, obviously you can’t use hashtags on YouTube, but organized YouTube comment domination is also very effective! Some people have found the Right through YouTube comments.

 

So by all means if anyone wants to organize the equivalent, I mean, Telegram can be good for this. Some equivalent for dominating YouTube. And as I said before, Facebook as well. We’re totally not making the most of Facebook, yet. I’ve gone for Twitter, because it’s the easiest so far. But other ideas on how to dominate YouTube comments and Facebook, like what we did with Unilad, was very, very encouraging! By all means throw that forward as well. We can call that all Operation Broken Fence. I mean, it’s great.

 

The reason it’s called “Operation Broken Fence” is, because it’s an operation to get people off the fence! And that works so well for us, because hardly anyone wants to get off the fence and move further Leftward! All the people who want to go Left have already gone, I think. [chuckling] So breaking the fence just sways everyone our way instead. Sorry, what did you say?

 

Ayatollah: No, I’m saying that they’re encouraged to. Like I remember I was on a normie Facebook account I had a while ago. I saw somebody in a group called his Facebook name, he was some middle aged bloke, with a middle class job, or whatever. And his Facebook name was “Left Wing Dave”, or something like that. [80:01] We were in the same apolitical group for something. I just thought:

 

“Well that’s nice isn’t it?”

 

Because there’s virtue points in that for you isn’t there? For sort of banging on about austerity and how wonderful the NHS is, and how Boris is a slightly better than average, you know, artist from a village in, you know, Austria, or whatever! [chuckling].

 

So yeah, I mean, I’m getting quite convoluted with these dog whistles now. [chuckling] Yeah, it’s obviously that’s the prestige position in this sort of inverted morality we’re subjected to. So yeah, like they’ll be quite happy to sort of say:

 

“Oh yeah, I’m Left-wing!”

 

It’s only the same as what? Even Sargon has done this before, I’m sure. And it’s only the same as what these idiots, these Rikki Doolan types would say:

 

“Oh! I’m a liberal!”

 

You know, they’re so keen, again they’re hostages of a sort of a hostile, they don’t know, yeah they’re hostages essentially. And they’re sort of trying to show fealty to people who are basically abusers!

 

Horus: And the Left is gradually becoming the “uncool” thing to be, because nobody can ignore the fact that BLM, however much it claims to be a rebellion against institutions, you know, the establishment, institutional racism, it had the backing of almost every major corporation in the whole world! And most governments!

 

So it’s not cool to be on the same side as Nike, and Amazon, and stuff! It’s never it’s never cool to be on the same side as corporate bosses. So they are losing the cachet, of, I don’t know, just they’re not the thing to be anymore. And we’re trying to upset that and overthrow that. It’s becoming more vogue-ish to be on the Right.

 

Ayatollah: They’re not Che Guevara anymore, they’re the Che Guevara T-shirt. But yeah, I’m gonna say, actually, yeah credit to John Smithy actually. I forgot to mention it. It was rude of me. But I was scanning the chat and I saw John Smith. He mentioned the YouTube comments, and it reminded me of a particular listener of ours I talked to. He was describing his trajectory into nationalism. And he was like saying:

 

“Well I watched this. And I watched that. And I was watching, I don’t know, Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, and I saw people talking about things to the Right of that in the comments. And that really brought me along.”

 

It does work! It really does work! So everybody can contribute to that. It’s just a matter of knowing how to do it without wasting your time. And again the more we can organize it and the greater volume we can get the more effective it will be.

 

Horus: And there’s no shame in blocking people! Anyone who’s just wasting your time, or wants to get you suspended, or whatever, just block them! It’s fine. You’re not doing anything wrong.

 

Laura: Yeah, so just to clarify, this does work. I run the PA Twitter account and there’s like a pattern. I’ll see one of our guys sort of like saying:

 

“Have you thought about this?”

 

And send in the plan from the PA website. And then someone will go:

 

“I’ll check it out.”

 

And then all of a sudden the follower does. And it’s like those three stages that people seem to go through. So yeah, if you’re on Twitter and you’re messing about, if you’ve got a spare 30 minutes, try that tactic to bring some people over to our side.

 

And just to remind everybody who’s on this panel tonight, the links for their social media accounts are in the description below this video. So if you want to check out Horus’s Twitter account, he has lots of hashtag operationbrokenfence tweets on his Twitter.

 

So I’m just gonna read through the final Superchats if that’s okay. One moment, it’s just refreshing. Which was the last one I read out? There’s so many Superchats! I can’t believe people have done this!

 

Okay so Sam Gray superchatted five pounds and there’s no message. But thank you very much for that.

 

Rodney Falberg superchatted five US dollars and it says:

 

“Civic nationalism is not flawed. The Persian and Roman empire lasted for centuries and defined history. Ethno-nationalism is violent, evil, and unsustainable.”

 

Well ethno-nationalism is the norm in pretty much every country, and always has been, apart from European countries. Japan, for example, is an ethno-nationalist country. It’s 98.5 percent ethnically Japanese. It’s just the natural state of things, you know, we’ve never had multiculturalism.

 

Ayatollah: Somebody paid to say that, did they?

 

Laura: Yeah! I mean, pretty much every country apart from White country, with a few exceptions, is an ethno-nationalist country, because they have a homeland for their people. So it’s not violent, it’s not evil, it’s natural. Do you guys have any thoughts on that?

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, if I could just sort of say quickly — and I was saying this to somebody fairly recently, and I’ve said it time and again, and I’ve never really had good answers to it. The question to ask people is always like, well okay, so you’ve got homogeneous society, and in the case of the vast majority of White countries, they’re pretty, in terms of like standards of living, and human development, and all these other things, they’re pretty advanced. And they’re nice places. They’re fairly high trust I mean, some, you know, some countries more than others, within our race. But you get the point. You just gotta ask them like:

 

“Okay so give me some examples of things that group A, or group B, outside of our race that have come into our countries against our will. Reel off for me, if you can, some of the things they can do that we can’t, that we actually need that we can’t do for ourselves?”

 

Because there’s never anything! Like if people want to say like:

 

“Oh well, you know what about, …”

 

You know, they usually they resort to the most frivolous sort of ridiculous things. It’s the food, isn’t it? It’s the wonderful range of restaurants and all that! It’s like, well look, if you want it that bad, buy a bloody cookbook first of all!

 

And secondly, like I’ve been to towns in this country, small towns where they’ve got Thai restaurants. They’ve got a population of about 7,000 people. If you want it that badly you can find it, if it matters that much to you.

 

But then you’ve got to set that against the other consequences of shattering a society’s homogeneity, and bringing in groups who quite often are frankly hostile, and absolutely detrimental to things like trust, and law, and order, and the general character of a place. But also it’s a matter of like, okay, if food’s that important to you, do you know, the Japanese population of Britain is? It’s about 50,000, and most of them are students. It’s not that hard to find sushi here if that’s what you want. Right?

 

So again as you said, Laura, ethnic homogeneity is the norm. And where it’s not the norm what you can see is, there tends to be a lot of strife in those places, because it’s just another thing to disagree about, and to come into conflict over. So yeah, what did we need it for?

 

We had the industrial revolution, so I think we’ve got enough work ethic and, you know, enough ingenuity in this country specifically. And you could apply the same to any other White country. We do all right, okay? It’s as simple as that! These people will never have an answer. If you simply ask them, right:

 

“Give me examples of some of the things that these people do that we can’t do ourselves, that we absolutely need?”

 

Because do we need *balti? You know, there you go! There’s never an answer to it.

 

Horus: We know the recipes anyway. As history Bro just said in the chat.

 

[* A balti or bāltī gosht is a type of lamb meat or goat meat curry served in a thin, pressed-steel wok called a “balti bowl”. It is served in restaurants throughout the United Kingdom. The name may have come from the metal dish in which the curry is cooked, rather than from any specific ingredient or cooking technique. Wikipedia]

 

Ayatollah: Look, we can use a grill, all right? We can cook with spices, it’s fine!

 

Laura: Yeah and also we need to point out that we were actually a nationalist country ourself, up until 1948.

 

Ayatollah: Yeah, what happened there? Yeah, and then some people are a bit further along you can get into the specifics of how that changed.

 

Laura: Yes. But thank you for the superchat and the comment as well. So there’s one from Stella J Atkins for nine US dollars and 99 cents. It says:

 

“Cheers from the dying American empire. Love you all. May the future be bright for us all!”

 

Thank you so much and best wishes to you guys in America, as well. And there’s one from Kate for 500, … I think that’s Norway, NOK? And it says:

 

“Happy birthday Laura! Support to PA, from Norway.”

 

Yes! I got it right! Well, thank you very much for that. And then there’s Mort Goldberg ADL Hate Speech superchatted two pounds and just wrote:

 

“Shalom!”

 

Thank you very much.

 

Horus: From Mort Goldberg? I used to know him. What a great guy! Hello Mort. How are you doing?

 

Laura: Yeah, I can’t say the full name. I think it says Mort Goldberg.

 

Horus: No, I’m joking [chuckling] sorry.

 

Ayatollah: From Mark Goldberg? Is that like a sort of a like a Levantine form of Morgoth, or something? [chuckling]

 

Laura: Thank you for the superchat. And then there’s Viking Dude for four pounds 99 pence, and no message. But thank you for the superchat. Tristan von Brickenstein for five Australian dollars. And it says:

 

“Some shekels from the future king of Neo Prussia.”

 

Thank you very much.

 

Pep superchatted two pounds and said:

 

“Bayern Munich for the win! Deutschland uber alles!”

 

Thank you very much. Dale jones superchatted two UK pounds. No message. But thank you very much. Thieleks superchatted 25 CHF, I think we said that was Swiss, didn’t we? And it says:

 

“Happy birthday Laura! You are a diamond! Have some more Swiss francs for your efforts.”

 

Thank you very much.

 

And then there’s S Grim for 100 Norway currency. I’m not sure what you call it.:

 

“Cheers Laura! PA’s policy is directly applicable to Norway. Good work!”

 

Thank you very much.

 

Mort Goldberg again [chuckling] and it says:

 

“Oh god! I thought this was an ADL fundraiser!”

 

Thank you very much for the superchat!

 

Horus: I’m a big fan of Mort Goldberg! What a great guy [chuckling]

 

Laura: And then there’s Infinite Thoughts for 1 pound 99. And it’s just a little sticker of a yellow person blowing a kiss. [chuckling] thank you very much!

 

Bob Carlin, five pounds:

 

“Hello! Bob Carlin here, for the birthday bird!”

 

Thank you very much!

 

And considering, how do you say that? Velvets, 20 pounds. It says:

 

“Happy birthday Laura!”

 

And a smiley face. Thank you very much.

 

Frank Slater for five pounds:

 

“We should work on cultural, social clubs which are non-political, but implicitly White, and traditionalist, a party without foundations is vulnerable.”

 

Well this is pretty much exactly what we do at Patriotic Alternative. We have regional groups [90:01] across the country. We have groups in Yorkshire, the East Mid to West Mids, London, the Southeast. And Mark and I might have another one to announce pretty soon.

 

But we have all these cultural and social clubs where we do things like hiking, paint-balling, all sorts of stuff. And we find that the conversation isn’t usually about politics. It’s just community building. So thank you for the superchat.

 

And then there’s Ale Robot Two for 139 Canadian dollars and 99 cents. I think that’s Canadian dollars? Wow! Thank you very much! And it says:

 

“Trust the plan! Happy birthday Laura!”

 

Thank you so much, that’s so sweet!

 

And then there’s DW for five pounds:

 

“Have a great birthday! Is there such a thing as keto birthday cake?”

 

I’m not sure. And I haven’t actually had any birthday cake, this birthday. I’m trying to be healthy. But thank you for the superchat.

 

And then there’s one from James L for five pounds. And it says:

 

“Please correct those in the chat misrepresenting PA’s repatriation policy. My Filipino wife would not be forcibly removed. Explain in full yeah.”

 

Yeah. So PA’s repatriation policy is voluntary. So for people who aren’t ethnically British, if they want to take voluntary repatriation, they can. But nobody’s going to be forcibly removed. So nobody needs to have any concern there. Apart from people who are in the country illegally, and apart from foreign citizens who commit crime. But yeah, we don’t believe in forcibly removing good people.

 

So I think that’s it. And it’s half past eight now. I’m just, oh there’s some more, some more came in while I was doing that. I’ll just finish them, sorry.

 

So there’s Bill Bays for 20 US dollars and it says:

 

“Greetings from Seattle. Laura did absolutely wonderful in the debate!”

 

Thank you very much.

 

And there’s one from Sick for two pounds. And it says:

 

“Multi-ethnic society is an exoticism fetish!”

 

I think people do fetishize multiculturalism, to be honest. Thank you for the superchat.

 

And then there’s also The Thin Red Line, for 10 US dollars. And it says:

 

“Birthday girl!”

 

Thank you very much.

 

And then there’s one from Count Dooblover, for five US dollars. And it just says:

 

“Testing.”

 

So that worked! And thank you very much for the superchat.

 

Well I’m so touched from all the Superchats that everybody’s giving me for my birthday. Thank you! I never expect any. But I always get them. But thank you!

 

And so you guys ready to finish now is there anything that anybody wants to add about any other thing? Anything you’ve got coming up that you want to plug?

 

Horus: I’d just like to give a thanks to all the moderators. I’ve got some of the same ones as you Laura. And this Beer Hall Pooch, Jewel Citizen, St Harrison, and also on my channel you got Lynx, In the Shadows, and Adam. They’re not just really helpful, they’re also like essential at the moment because, you know, we’ve had some saboteurs and stuff.

 

So I really appreciate their efforts. And they just make it more fun as well. So yeah.

 

And I’m probably gonna start doing a weekly show. I’m not quite sure it might be this week, or next week, or something. I’m gonna start using DLive more, as well. So if anyone wants to follow me on DLive, I’m on there.

 

But thanks very much from me Laura. It’s really good to talk to you on your birthday. I’m looking forward to seeing all you guys in real life soon, as well.

 

Laura: Thanks for coming on. And Horus’s social media links are in the description below the video, so do check them out and go show him some support. And Ayatollah, I hear you’re maybe starting your own show. Do you want to plug that? Your YouTube channel is linked in the description below this, so people can go in support you before you’ve even begun. But you’re going to be doing that on YouTube, BitChute, or DLive?

 

Ayatollah: Yeah it’ll be YouTube. I’ll try and think out with DLive, if I can sort of figure out all the technical stuff. So if anybody wants to offer me any sort of instruction on that, you can message me on Telegram, at Ayatollah underscore TASOB.

 

I do intend to start streaming on a Friday. Probably like, light-hearted, largely off-topic sort of stuff. I mean, I forget whether it was yourself Mark, or whether it was you Laura, saying that a lot of the conversation, you know, like PA events ends up not being political. And you sort of want those conversations at first, because you’re sort of starved of being able to talk about that sort of thing with people. And it’s like you can’t really be yourself in any other place among nationalists.

 

But you get to a certain point there, where it’s nice to actually just talk about normal and apolitical things with people who you understand of basically, they’re fundamentally sound in the things they believe, in like wanting their own people to sort of survive and act in their own interests.

 

But yeah, so Friday the 4th of September I intend to do my first stream on a Friday night. I’ve got to figure out the time at the moment, because I know Horus mentioned Adam’s Britain, Out show on a Friday night. I don’t want to clash with that if I can avoid it. I don’t want to sort of clashing with each other. I want us to sort of compliment each other. But I’ll figure something out for that.

 

I’ve got some format ideas I’ll have a bit of a think about it this coming weekend and I’ll get something together.

 

But yeah, thanks for having me on. Delighted to be asked as ever. And yeah, obviously Absolute State of Britain we’re at the right stuff.biz. That’s also in the description. So is my Twitter, and I’ll sort of shut up with the shameless self promotion there! [chuckling]

 

Laura: Well thanks for coming on. It’s always lovely to talk to you. And Mark I think everybody knows who you are and where to find you. But your links are in the description below, as well. And I think me and you are going to do a stream soon, is that right?

 

[95:00]

 

Mark: I think we will be doing a stream soon, yes. So yeah, that’s something to look forward to. And obviously people know that we’ve got some upcoming activism in a few weeks time! So there’s plenty of things to look forward to. I hope you had a lovely birthday. And thank you for inviting me on the stream.

 

Mark: Well thanks for being here and giving up your Sunday evening. And yeah anybody who’s listening who doesn’t know this, Mark and I work together at Patriotic Alternative. So if you check out our website you can register on there and you’ll get emails about all of our events.

 

And just before we close I’m just going to answer a couple of quick Superchats really fast. So there’s Darren McKinney for two pounds. And it says:

 

“Just home from the synagogue. What did I miss?”

 

Thank you for the superchat. You missed quite a lot, because we’re finished now. But you can go back and watch it [chuckling]. And then this that that Foley for two pounds:

 

“Happy birthday!”

 

Thank you very much.

 

And Jeff Stewart for 20 pounds. No message. But thank you very much!

 

So I think we’ll call it a day now. But I just want to say thank you to everybody for being here. I hope you enjoyed the rest of your Sunday evening. Thank you to the people who moderated the chat. I think it was Jewel Citizen, Postman, Patriot and Saint Harrison, who did that. Thank you all for being there.

 

Thank you to the Ayatollah, and Horus, and Mark, for giving up their Sunday night and coming on my birthday stream.

 

But yeah, we’re going to call it a night now. So yeah, just subscribe to everybody on the links below the video. And we’ve got lots more content coming up, so stay safe, and I’ll see you all again, soon. Bye.

 

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See Also

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Dionne Moller – My Patriotic Alternative Conference Speech — Spring 2020 — Transcript

 

 

Laura Towler – We Were Never Asked – Oct 24, 2019 — Transcript

Laura Towler – The Fate of English Schools – Jul 26, 2020 — Transcript

Rikki Doolan vs Laura Towler – British Lives Matter Live Debate – Aug 6, 2020 — Transcript

Laura Towler – Pathological Altruism and the Invasion of Britain – Aug 16, 2020 — Transcript

Laura Towler – Are We The Bad Guys? Featuring Mark Collett, The Ayatollah and Horus – Aug 24, 2020 — Transcript

Laura Towler – Khan’s Plans to Diversify London – Sep 20, 2020 — Transcript

Laura Towler – A Personal Update – Sep 27, 2020 — Transcript

Mark Collett – Patriotic Alternative Autumn Update with Laura – Oct 2, 2020 — Transcript

Laura Towler – When the Mask Slips – Feb 17, 2021 — Transcript

 

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[Mike Peinovich (Enoch), of The Right Stuff, gives a rousing speech, to loud applause and cheering, announcing the founding of the National Justice Party in the United States.

Mike pulls no punches in naming organized jewry as the enemy of the American people, and Whites the world over, and that the Republican Party, and Trump, just like the Democrat Party are tools of orgjew and are anti-White.

I’ve provided this transcript for readers’ information only.

 

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Tyler Dunn

National Justice Party Founding Speech

 

 

Mike Peinovich

Aug 15, 2020

 

 

 

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Audience: Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike!

 

Mike: All right! So after that video I’m sure you’re all pretty pissed off! I’m sure everybody’s feeling it in their heart the way I am seeing the humiliation, the degradation, the humiliation, the violence, the attacks, are not just White people, but everything we stand for, and every moral value that we hold [are] under attack, right now! This is a unprecedented political emergency that is going on in the United States today! And not just America. Europe and the world.

 

The White race is under attack and it’s unambiguous! It’s not hidden! They tell us every day! Every single day, elite plutocrats, media figures — we know who runs the media. Every one of them, Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL is out there telling you who he wants suppressed, what he wants suppressed, whose statue he wants coming down! And we all know who it is that’s under attack, and it’s us! It’s us! [loud applause].

 

So what are we going to do about it? We have to answer this! It cannot go unanswered! We are here with a response.

 

So what we are here for tonight? We are announcing the formation of a new political party! [very loud applause and cheering] A new political vehicle! That is going to fight for you! For White rights for our people in America and the world! [very loud applause].

 

So we are told every day by pundits, by intellectuals, by people on TV, people in universities, we’re told every day:

 

“Our nation is about ideas! It’s about ideas, concepts, freedom, equality, and liberty.”

 

No! A nation is its people!

 

Audience: Yes! [very loud applause]

 

Mike: A nation is built by its people. You cannot have those moral, philosophical foundations, without the people who spawned those ideas in the first place. And the ideas of freedom, liberty, justice, those come out of the European intellectual tradition, the European philosophical tradition, the White philosophical tradition! Those are our ideas! Our concepts! Our nations are built on!

 

Do you think that there are any other nations built on those concepts anywhere in the world? That is our heritage! Our legacy! You cannot have a nation of rights, a nation of justice, a nation of liberty, without a White majority, forever! [very loud cheering].

 

Yet today, our country, our country, founded by White men with the intention of protecting the sovereign rights of the people, refuses to protect our rights! Specifically refuses to protect our rights on racial grounds! Meanwhile, the rights of anarchists, of criminals, and of wealthy plutocrats, are totally protected! Yet where are we? We have no protection!

 

How many times have we seen the familiar scene a “Black Lives Matter” riot is going on, anarchists are flooding the streets, buildings are burning, statues are toppling, and an unfortunate motorists makes a wrong turn.

 

What happens next? We’ve all seen it. There’s an altercation, anarchists attack the car, maybe somebody gets a bump on the head. Maybe they get a bruise on the knee. They get a hangnail. What now?

 

“That driver he’s a terrorist! White supremacist terrorist! Lock him up! Lock him up!”

 

Fuck that! Excuse me. [loud cheering and strong reaction] Those men are innocent! Innocent people! Innocent people are getting framed, and called terrorists, merely for driving in — as is their right to drive on a public street — for driving in and noticing that:

 

“Wow! Okay the government has now allowed these streets to be taken over by black and anarchist rioters. And they apparently just have the right to ambush, and attack innocent pedestrians and motorists! That’s just their right now! They’re just given that! The government’s just decided, we’re just going to give that to them!”

 

Audience: No! No!

 

Mike: No! Is that just? Is the right? Is that justice? No! [with crowd]

 

Audience: James Fields!

 

Mike: James Fields, exactly was the template for this! A young man —unless we win — this man will spend the rest of his life in jail! Are we going to let that happen?

Audience: No! No!

 

Mike: No! Absolutely not! So how did we get to this point?

 

Barack Obama was elected 2008. A lot of Leftists had a lot of hope in this:

 

“Hope and change! Hope and change! We’re going to have fair economic policy. We’re going to have a peaceful Middle East!”

 

Did any of that happen?

 

Audience: No!

 

Mike: No! What happened? Too big to fail banks got TARP bailouts. Billions of, trillions of dollars! Trillions of dollars in bailouts! The assassination program, the drone program, ISIS. And after the creation of ISIS — as we know sponsored by Tel Aviv — ISIS created, what happened? Bombings! The Bataclan! Other terrorist bombings! Massacres! The Christmas truck attack! The truck attack in Nice! This is the result of the Obama foreign policy in Europe.

 

Hundreds of Europeans dead in brutal terrorist attacks! That was directly, because of Obama’s foreign policy. Despite all of his claims about being peaceful, he wins a Nobel Peace Prize. And this is what we get!

 

On top of that, every corporation and bank, gets bigger and more powerful, as our people are losing jobs, getting addicted to opiates, increasing White death from hopelessness and despair! All of this as the most fair, and just, and hopeful, President in the generation comes along.

 

So what happens in 2016? It’s time for Donald Trump. Now, just like a lot of you in this room, I was pro-Trump, at first. He promised us a lot. He seemed to break every rule:

 

“We’re going to build a wall! We’re going to deport illegals! We’re gonna bring back jobs from China, and elsewhere! We’re gonna get out of the Middle East! We’re gonna stop with the needless wars in the Middle East! No war on Syria!”

 

And all such things like that. What’s the reality of the Donald Trump presidency?

 

Audience: Lies! Lies!

 

Mike: We have the most jewish President in American history! By their own statements! The Golan Heights are now the Dolan Heights, the Donald Trump Heights! We have gotten more involved in the Middle East. Two bombings of the sovereign nation, Syria, that we are not at war with. The repudiation of a peace treaty with a sovereign nation, Iran. And other provocations meant to lead to a war in the Middle East. That’s the intention of this.

 

On top of that, what happened to the anti-immigration platform? What happened to the deportation of illegal immigrants? Well figures like Jeff Sessions, Kris Kobach, not only are they frozen out, they’ve been insulted and humiliated by the White House. They have no room for anybody like that in the GOP of today.

 

Nobody even wants to talk about immigration. They’re now talking about increasing H1B workers! What happens with that? Well, White men that work in a high-tech industry, train their replacements, and then, guess what happens next week?:

 

“Well I’m sorry, we don’t need you anymore. Please pack your things. By the way, we have a security guard that escort you out of the building.”

 

Audience: [loud booing] No!

 

Mike: Is that fair? Is that fair! Is that what we want?

 

Audience: [loud booing] No!

 

Mike: Trump was there to take care of the demographic problem, and instead it’s only escalated! It’s only escalated. We have Amazon.com, a virtual monopoly over the retail space, paying zero taxes. And Jeff Bezos, the CEO, owns the Washington Post. An ostensible enemy of Donald Trump. Yet he still won’t do anything to retaliate against him! Proving once and for all, this idea that his hands are tied, or he can’t do this, or that, it’s all fake! It’s all an act! He doesn’t want to do anything for us!

 

If he did, he could! And he doesn’t want to, because he’s in the pocket of Jared Kushner, and zionist jews!

 

Audience: Yeah! [loud booing and applause]

 

Mike: Political censorship! Political censorship, is out of control in America! And they don’t want to do with the government:

 

“Oh we got the first amendment. So we can’t intervene in this! But corporations, huge, massive public corporations, they have the same right to free speech as the rest of us!”

 

That’s a garbage concept! What really happens is that an unelected jewish lobby group, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, sets the agenda, for what, 300 million, non-jewish, Americans, can and cannot say! And every corporation falls in line, either, because they are just right in line with the ADL’s agenda, or they are too afraid to go against them, because they’ve bought every politician, they’ve bought every company! They have somebody on the board of every company!

 

[10:00]

 

Either that, or maybe they’ve got something else on some of these people. I don’t think I need to go further in elaborating what that might be! After the Jeffrey Epstein and the Ghislaine Maxwell scandal, we have to wonder, how many people in public life do these people have a file on? How many of them do they have a file on! How many! [loud jeering].

 

That is what we have, it’s not an exaggeration. We’ve had Pizzagate! We’ve had things like this, but in the end these kinds of ideas are getting at some kind of a truth. The elite are hopelessly corrupt! They’re in the pocket of a corrupt cabal! And they have no ability to represent us, or any desire to represent us, because as soon as they try:

 

“Ah, that folder that we’ve got on you!”

 

That gets opened up:

 

“And boy, we don’t want to even see what’s inside that!”

 

So, as you can guess, you’ll probably notice the date of this speech is not accidental. The anniversary of Charlottesville was just a couple of days ago. And I want to talk about that for a second.

 

Now Charlottesville was, in fact, one of the most important political events of the last several years, if not the last several decades. [very loud, long, applause and cheering]

 

Charlottesville was important, because it laid bare every issue that we are dealing with now! We foresaw it. We saw what was coming. We tried to warn America. We raised the red flag — or maybe some other flags. [loud laughter]

 

But we told America what was going to happen. And, in fact, it’s come true. Three years later the same groups, the same groups that some of us in this room had to face off against, are now running the streets! Terrorizing Americans, burning things down, vandalizing statues, vandalizing our heritage, and attacking people, and killing people, indeed.

 

It’s important, because, until that day it was unprecedented how many men came out for this cause, for the cause of White people, White Americans, and in fact, White people around the world. The elite was not expecting that. That is why they have not been able to give it up. It’s why we see media narratives that are just insanely malicious, and deceptive, promoted day after day, year after year!:

 

“The deadly Charlottesville rally! All the people are down under siege! My god is so terrible!”

 

Bullshit! Bullshit!

 

We went down there as American White men, to exercise our god-given, and constitutional right, to speak on our own behalf! [loud applause and cheering] And we were attacked! We were attacked by the same people that are burning America today! It was about the Robert E Lee statue, but that’s not all it was about, …

 

Audience: It was the joos!

 

Mike: Because we understand, that if they’re allowed to tear down that statue, it doesn’t stop there! And we were right, it doesn’t stop there. Now they’re doing Christopher Columbus, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt. And whatever we think about any of those figures, it doesn’t matter, because to them, and to us, they are White men of note in history!

 

And they have to be torn down, as a precursor to tearing us down! That is the ultimate result of all of this! When you tear down a people’s symbols, it is a precursor to tearing them down! Something that they will warn you about. As long as the so-called victims of this are not White.

 

But White people in the minds of the elite, in the minds of the people in the media, in the minds of the intellectuals, and what they want you to think, cannot possibly be victims, because as soon as you start to assert a right as a White man, what happens?:

 

“Well you don’t even really exist! You don’t, even, really, exist!”

 

That’s obviously not true! I mean, I’m seeing all of you here today! [loud cheering and stomping on the floor]

 

So after Charlottesville we get an explosion, an explosion, of political censorship, corporate censorship!:

 

“It’s not done by the government, so it’s okay, right? It’s all right! It’s just private companies. They’ve got a right to do it!”

 

[loud booing and jeering].

 

Why should a private corporation worth billions of dollars, have more rights, than an individual American citizen? That’s not the intention of this document. That’s not the intention of the constitution, or the founders! That’s not morally, or philosophically correct! It doesn’t make any sense!

 

Free speech is our right! And it’s our right, because free speech, as White men to engage in political discourse in the public square, is our right! [loud cheering and applause] We have a god-given, a moral and philosophical right, to do that. And if you deny that to us, on the basis of:

 

“Well, it’s a private company. Well, we can’t do anything about that!”

 

Well then, you’re the bad person! You’re the bad person! You are denying our right to engage on our own behalf in the public square! At the same time you grant it to every other group, no matter how tiny, or how alien they are to our country! Even child molesters and pedophiles, apparently, are allowed to make their case in the public square in America. But not White men! [loud jeering and booing].

 

So, after that protest, anarchist rioters were seriously empowered. They were empowered to dox people, to snitch on people, harass people, get your life ruined, get your income ruined, intimidate your family, call your mom, tell on you, call your boss, get you fired, destroy your livelihood, destroy your reputation! And you couldn’t say anything about these people.

 

And what’s the result? What’s the result? They’re not burning down cities in America! They got apparently got the message. You can do whatever you want, and they’re doing what they want! They’re doing what they want! And we see what they want to do, what they’ve always wanted to do. They want to destroy White people! It’s that simple! People try to intellectualize it:

 

“Oh, it’s anarcho communism, it’s this, or that.”

 

Audience: It’s anti-White!

 

No! It’s racial! It’s primarily racial! It’s anti-White! That’s where they see the primary threat coming from. That’s why we are the only political tendency that is attacked like this! You can be a conservative, you can talk about low taxes, you can talk about the free market, you can talk about whatever the hell it is they talk about! No one gives a shit! Nobody cares! It’s not a threat to anybody and, in fact, it’s useful to them.

 

But the Charlottesville event was not actually in vain! Which is another reason it caused so much panic amongst the elite. Sixty two percent of Americans agreed with our stance that the Robert E Lee statue should not come down! [loud cheers applause].

 

Despite all the lies and the media distortions about the events of that day, 82 percent of Republican voters agreed it was the antifa, the anarchists, and the “Black Lives Matter” protesters, that caused the trouble. So even after all the media programming, in fact, it was so bad, that the conservative media made a decision, they’re not even going to try to oppose Charlottesville, philosophically, because they can’t do it! Won’t sell with their people.

 

So they’re going to tell their people it was just fake! It was a false flag! It didn’t happen! [laughter] That’s how they had to defuse it, because they cannot argue against it. And if they argue for it, then they get ushered out of the halls of power.

 

But this kind of repression, it grants us validity. It shows that we are a true, valid, political tendency. And we are relevant! Why would you fight so hard, if you’re in power? Do you really fight so hard against kooks, and weirdos, that believe in things that don’t exist? Have fantasies, some strange religion, some weird off the wall culti thing? You don’t fight against it! Why? Because it doesn’t bother you. It doesn’t matter. Who cares?

 

Well this matters! This matters! And they fear this, because they understand, they can characterize us extremists, they can characterize us as fringe, they can characterize us as terrorists. None of that is true, in fact, we have a common sense viewpoint! The average man would agree with everything we think and say, if not for the massive political repression, and social repression that they visit upon us! [loud applause and cheering] We have the normal common sense view! And they know it! They know it as well as we do! [loud applause and cheering]

 

We don’t have to be ashamed of what we think! We all know that the average man agrees with us. The average man agrees that there’s nothing wrong with being White! There’s nothing wrong with being heterosexual! Pedophiles are sick and need to go to jail! Races don’t necessarily need to mix together all the time. And we have a right as White people, fundamentally, and morally, to stand up for our political rights! It is our right we cannot be denied it. And denying it is the immoral thing! And this is not a fringe view! They just really try to appoint it as such.

 

[20:16]

 

Jonathan Greenblatt is up there telling you he wants an Act of Congress to prevent us from saying this basic truth online! Because he knows, that if we’re allowed to speak freely, we win over the country! He knows that! [very loud cheering and applause, and foot stomping].

 

So a lot of people have said we need to work with the GOP [jeering and booing] [Mike laughing].

 

Well, we tried! We tried! We tried! What happened? We learned that the GOP, … Actually there’s a lot of theories on what the GOP exists for. There’s a lot of theories. What some people think they’re just openly, they’re just the gay party. I mean, I understand why you guys think that. I think that I can get that, right?

 

But what I learned about the GOP, over the last several years, they actually only have one job! Systematically eliminating us from the public discourse! Convincing us that we can have a place in their organization, behind the scenes, inviting us in, and then pretending to smoke us out, ruin us, fire us, and you’re gone! That’s it! That’s why they’re there! And that’s the only thing!

 

And you know what that organization is about, because it’s the only thing they’re effective at. The only thing that the GOP is effective at, is excluding White Nationalism! It’s the only thing they do well. And it’s the only thing they really seem morally motivated to do.

 

They don’t care about abortion! They don’t care about homosexual parades in every city! They don’t care about protecting your children from this sick stuff that they want to teach in school! They don’t care about racial attacks on White people! They don’t care about White people, period! And 90 percent of the voters for that party, are White! Yet they feel no desire. How many times have we heard:

 

“Oh, criminal justice reform.”

 

What is criminal justice reform? First of all, everybody knows what he’s talking about! He’s not talking about White people. That’s an appeal to blacks! That’s a direct appeal to blacks.:

 

“Oh we’re not going to put you in jail when you commit crimes anymore.”

 

Who do you think that’s an appeal to? White men? No! And it shows you that they are more comfortable making a moral appeal to black people on the basis that they will not punish them for crimes that they commit, than they are appealing to White men on the basis of their existence! Think about that!

 

The GOP would rather appeal to black criminals, than to you! Is that an organization you want to work with!

 

Audience: Nooo! Noo! No!

 

Mike: There’s one other huge problem. There’s one other huge problem with the GOP.

 

Audience: Joos? [laughter]

 

Mike: You beat me to it! [chuckling] [laughter].

 

Ideologically, and structurally, the GOP has always been the party of big business. They’ve always been in the pocket, all the way back to Abraham Lincoln, and before. They’re the big business party. Always been so! And now they’re the party of zionism! The party of big zionism! Donald Trump, as we saw, he’s not the first one, he’s just the most obvious. You know, he’s the lapdog of the Likud Party in Israel.

 

Every single thing they want they get! This seems to be his real agenda. His biggest donors, Sheldon Adelson, Paul Singer. Jared Kushner, controls him. This is where Donald Trump is. This is what the GOP is! The GOP, arguably more controlled by the jews, than the Democrats, arguably.

 

But in reality it doesn’t matter, because while the Democrats are openly anti-White, what does the GOP tell us?:

 

“We must be individuals. Let’s be individuals, as conservatives. Let’s talk about business, and taxes.”

 

No! Who does that benefit? That doesn’t benefit the average White man!

 

Audience: No!

 

Mike: It doesn’t protect the average White working man. That’s not what any of this is about. Ideologically, structurally, the GOP representative of big business. He’s more interested in helping Jeff Bezos — who runs articles every day in his Washington Post, about how much White people suck! And how much Donald Trump sucks — than he is in protecting the people that actually vote for him. He would rather lose! They would rather lose!

 

And we’ve known this forever about the GOP. They would rather lose than represent us! [booing] So we cannot work with them. We need to replace them! [loud cheering and applause] Their destruction is the best thing for us! [loud cheering and applause, foot stomping]

 

[25:12]

 

Where was the GOP when it came to Julian Wurstenberg and her husband? Maybe some of you saw this a few weeks ago, we have a pregnant woman and her husband are at the supermarket. They are attacked, accosted by a group of angry black women, demanding apologies for no reason, trapping them in their car! And not letting them leave. And after a few minutes of this assault, Julian Wurstenberg pulls out her gun in order to stop the aggression against her. What happens? She is now in jail on felonious assault!

 

Yet we have Garrett Foster, who pulled his AK-47 on an innocent motorist, … Now he ended up in the grave for that! But the whole media apparatus came to his defense, came to his defense, that he was:

 

“A wonderful human being, just protecting his second amendment rights!”

 

Which shows you, it’s not about your second amendment rights, surely that is something. But they only care about that if you want to use your second amendment right in defense of yourself and your race. You can use it in defense of every gay, and non-White, thing that they protect, all day. You can be some kind of Left, libertarian crazy, and anarcho communist, and you can point guns at people, as we know from Charlottesville.

 

So that’s not just what it’s about. The second amendment is very important. But it’s not purely about that. It’s about our rights as sovereign White people to control our own political destinies! And the Wurstenbergs deserved a moral, and a legal defense, and there was no one there to give it to them.

 

And they are not the only White people that this has happened to, over the last several months. Increasingly this is happening every day to motorists, to pedestrians, to people that run up against these protesters, to anybody that feels like they actually still have rights. And we knew it was coming, and we tried to warn everybody at Charlottesville.

 

But what’s the solution to all of this? Well, there’s only one solution. That’s to struggle! That’s to fight! [loud cheering and applause]. And in order to fight, we need to understand what the enemy is. The enemy is capitalism! Zionism! The international jewish oligarchy! These are the people that are oppressing us.

 

And these are the people that will see, and use, every ounce of their power! They will lose money, they will spend political capital, just to oppress us! Why would they do things like the Charlottesville lawsuit? Why would they spin such absurd narratives? That are so obviously counter to the truth? That cost them credibility, if this wasn’t the most important thing.

 

Do they fight as hard against other “crazy tendencies” out there, as they do against us? No!

 

The one thing that really activates the ADL, and the Washington consensus, is our politics! That alone should flatter us! We should feel good about that! We’re the only thing that really threatens these people! [loud cheering and applause]

 

This unjust financial and political oligarchy that rules, not just America, but Europe — and is coming out of Washington, New York, and Jerusalem — we are the only thing that this thing really fears! [loud cheering and applause]

 

So, because of that, because of that, we need to found a new party, a new party, based on new ideals! Based on the overturning of the neoliberal consensus. Getting rid of the idea the old Left, Right, divide. The “[word unclear] think”, that they use to divide Whites. That they use to separate us, and get us fighting on different teams. Looking at things like:

 

“Oh, did Bill Clinton wear the wrong suit? Did Donald Trump say the wrong thing? Did he use the wrong fork?”

 

Who cares! Who cares! We need to unify as a race, and as a people, and fight for our posterity and our rights, and our right to this country, which we founded! [loud cheering and applause]

 

What are our issues? What are our issues?

 

Our issues are; workers rights; a just and peaceful foreign policy; we will work with other nations, but we will bow to none! [cheering] A clean environment [applause]; defense of the family [applause]; pro-natal policies! [applause] We need to be having children again! Freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. And when I say that I don’t mean religions masquerading as a supremacy strategy! I mean, real religion! [loud cheering and applause] True immigration reform, and a legal designation of the United States as a European majority country! [very loud cheering and applause]

 

So now, I’m not going to lie to anybody here. This is going to be very difficult. In fact, it’s probably the most difficult thing, any of us, or really anyone in this current society, could do. It’s more than just physical courage, it’s moral courage! Because they are going to throw everything at us!

 

But without struggle, what is life worth? What is our life for, if we don’t struggle over adversity, life becomes soft, empty, meaningless! We are here to struggle, because we want the challenge! We want to fight! [very loud cheering and applause].

 

So we’re here, we are here, we are here for the Wurstenbergs, we’re here for Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant in cold blood! We’re here for Cannon Hinnant, the young boy who was shot brutally in the head by a black criminal, for no reason other than his race! [very loud cheering and applause] For no reason other than his race! They don’t want to tell you that’s what it’s about! But everybody knows! That’s what it was about!

 

For Daniel Shaver killed in cold blood by the police! For Jeremy Martin, likewise killed in cold blood by the police! White men killed by the police! Not, you know, … [laughter].

 

So based on this! Based on this, we are introducing a new Party. And I want to introduce you to them right now!

 

I introduce you, ladies and gentlemen, to the National Justice Party!

 

[Wild long applause, cheering, and foot stomping, as six men come up on stage.]

 

Audience: Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike! Mike!

 

[32:56]

 

 

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See Also

 

 

Edda Budahazy Interviewed on Mass-Immigration — TRANSCRIPT

London Forum: Tony O’Neill, “World War III Has Already Begun” — TRANSCRIPT

Paul Weston: How to Destroy a Country — TRANSCRIPT

Kai Murros ‘National Revolution in England’ — TRANSCRIPT

Jews Behind Race Mixing

Red Ice: Lana Lokteff Interviews Arthur Kemp — TRANSCRIPT

Murdoch Murdoch — Fatherland — TRANSCRIPT

Ursula Haverbeck – The Hooton Plan and the Migrant Crisis — TRANSCRIPT

Red Ice Radio Interview: Invasion of Europe — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

 

Way of the World — How the Globalists Stole Our Home, Dec 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Kalergi Plan Graffiti Appears in Rathmines, Dublin – Liveline with Joe Duffy — TRANSCRIPT

Mark Collett — The Plot to Flood Europe with 200 Million Africans — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Hitchcock – Rosette Delacroix – The Kalergi Plan Decoded – White Genocide – Jul 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Red Ice TV — Why They Want To Replace White People, Nov, 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Poseidon — Replacement Migration Agenda – United Nations — TRANSCRIPT

Resurrection Europa — Jordan Peterson Is An Anti-White Globalist, Nov 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Salim Mansur – Globalism and the UN Compact for Migration, Dec 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

VertigoPolitix – The Tactics of Immigration, Jul 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

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[Morgoth discusses the recent drone strike killing of the Iranian Al Quds military commander Soleimani in Iraq by the US, and how elements of the Right, especially in the USA are cheering this on despite the fact that this act is  just another neocon expression of their globalist warmongering agenda.

NOTE: When orgjew carried out 9/11 in order to launch the War OF Terror, General Wesley Clarke described their plan to take out 7 countries in the Middle East, ending with Iran. This latest event could well be setting the stage for creating that war.

— KATANA]

 

 

 

Morgoth’s Review

 

Against the Controlled

Warmongers of the Right

 

Jan 3, 2020

 

 

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[00:01]

 

[Intro music and imagery by Theberton.]

 

[00:18]

 

Hello again there folks.

 

I’ve been working on another video and I just thought I’d do a quick take of what’s been going on in Iran. So the Americans, Trump’s all had the missile strike on what appears to be the number two guy in Iran, head of the Al Quds military, an all-round top dude in Iran. And they have blown him to bits.

[Image] Ben Shapiro:
“Trump’s Soleimani airstrike is utterly righteous. Soleimani was on of the worst human beings on the planet. America had to re-establish deterrence after Obama’s appeasement. This will not be the end of the story — Iran will continue to lash out. But they’re certainly on notice.“

 

What has kind of got me triggered is the reaction of the sort of Alt-Lite Right wing populists on Twitter, on social media, and even in political parties. Jared Batten of UKIP has come out and said:

 

“It’s all great stuff! All wonderful. Go on Mr. Trump.”

 

What’s been happening in Britain over the last six months, or so, is this large rejection of the “Counter Jihad”. In this case it was Tommy Robinson. There’s been a lot of things said and I’ve never really got very involved in that. But what I did like about it was that it was also a rejection of having our people, our populist nationalist movement dragged around by the (((noses))).

 

What you can see is that when you don’t stand against this infiltration and these false narratives — which the Counter Jihad types promote — then you end up where you have to come out on the side of Neocon policies in Iraq. So I was quite happy to see the dwindling influence of that and for them to come over to a more authentic nationalist movement.

 

So when the Neocons get to work on this, and they start blowing people up in the Middle East — and how this plays out we don’t know, it’s too early to say. But when that begins to happen, like what I have seen today is just that all of this huge section of what we would think of as being populist Right coming out in support of it. And this isn’t even that controversial, because the foreign policy, the foreign wars, Trump was voted in to stop that.

 

So this isn’t talking about some deep zionist conspiracy stuff, this is just what Trump was elected for. They supported him when he got in on that ticket. And in terms of sort of red-pilling people and waking people up to certain questions, the foreign policy was the easiest one to swallow because being against foreign intervention, being against sending your soldiers to wars in the Middle East, is a very easy and uncontroversial position to hold.

 

So I at least thought well this will be an easy sell for a wider populist movement, because they don’t have to say anything particularly controversial, they can get on board with it. And after the 2016 election when Trump won, I thought by and large they have, and to one degree or another, they may not like some of the edgier talk which goes on in, say, the Alt-Right or whatever. But in terms of foreign policy and wars in the Middle East they at least get that much, they at least think:

 

“Yeah, there is a little bit too much Israeli influence here and it’s not in our benefit, so that I can at least come out against this.”

 

And yet, here we are and they have done absolutely nothing of the sort! They’re cheering it on! They think it’s great stuff that it happens. And these are the people who frame themselves as being against globalism! But what do they think this is? What power do they think is now tooling up the bombs to invade the Middle East? That is globalist power! They have got this knee-jerk reaction:

 

“Oh well, it’s Muslims!”

 

We’ve kind of fed this drip-feed, where we think:

 

“Oh well, it’s all bad and the more we bomb them it’s better, because we don’t like them. We don’t like what they do in our countries.”

 

And it’s just completely moronic!

 

What the neocons are, is really — and Trump at this point — is really just an extension, this is just a globalist foreign policy with bombs. And this is just the flip-side of say the transgender, mass immigration, White-privilege, all that rubbish that drives everybody day nuts in the West!

 

This isn’t something separate. This is the exact same thing, it’s just that it’s being exported to toughen us to crack with missiles, but the end result will be the same. And the same people will be sitting on top of the rubble.

 

And the way they try and tell themselves that this is something worth getting on board with is that they then turn to liberals, to people like Jeremy Corbyn, or Bernie Sanders, people on the Left who are in principle against foreign intervention, especially in the Middle East. And to one degree or another have quite a good understanding of it. George Galloway would be another one. And then what they are going to say is that somebody like George Galloway, is just a “snowflake”. And especially the Americans, the American boomer contingent of this is absolutely rotten! These patriotards!

 

I mean, on the one one hand at least in Britain we’ve made a dent in that, or at least I thought we had. I think we have by and large. In America it’s absolutely toxic! And you can see under everyone of Trump’s tweets. They are cheering it on:

 

“Go for it! At least we have a President that is going to stand up for us! This is why we elected you to keep America safe.”

 

But what they are cheering on is just the globalist’s foreign policy. And like I say what they are going to then do is say, if somebody, on the liberal left say, if they say:

 

“We’re not on board with this, Trump’s a lunatic, we don’t want anymore problems, we don’t want anymore wars.”

 

Then they are going to say that these are just “triggered snowflakes”. And they don’t like it, and we finally have a President who has some balls. And they have come out with some of the cringiest bad-take memes I’ve ever seen on the internet! They are absolutely appalling!

 

But you will notice that the only people who actively are also coming out in the media is awash with the Ben Shapiro types. And these populist Right wing figures like Jared Batten, and what not. David Vance on Twitter, all the rest of them. They have been bombarded for years, they have been bombarded for years about what this is all about. About who benefits from it in the Middle East.

 

I’m going to have to watch what I say because I’m on YouTube. They’ll start and censor YouTube in terms of who doesn’t like going to war on Iran. That is coming next as well. Because they already do it for the social policies, so then you are a Far-right extremist, an Alt-Right incel. And they are just going to do it for the other side of the paradigm, which is foreign policy. That will probably end up being censored as well.

 

And these lunatics who think of themselves as being Right-wing and against this agenda are coming out cheering it from the heavens! It’s just so, so stupid, that I can barely believe it!

 

They have been told all of this stuff a million times, they have been called zionist shills a million times! And then when it comes down to it and they know that there is a huge base of support who can see straight through the bullshit, they then going to do it anyway! They are then going to go around with the neocon line anyway! Despite it all! And these, they call them now, “influencers”, these social media “influencers” who spend all day on Twitter, tweeting this stuff out.

 

And it’s depressing, it’s really quite depressing! And I did me own tweet, where we’ve had this crap Star Wars film came out, and there’s a bit where on the trailer, where the Emperor like clicks his fingers and all of these Star Destroyers break through the ground and come up. And all of a sudden there’s this huge space navy in the space.

 

And I thought this is the same kind of thing. They have broke cover! And revealed themselves for what they really are! And I think that is the take-away from this. I don’t know how this is going to play out. It be that it settles down, this new trouble in the Middle East with Iran. It could settle down.

 

But in the days and weeks ahead, however it goes, you’re now going to see the real shills reveal themselves! That is what going to happen here.

 

And sometimes you are going to find people who be principled, these American pundits, I don’t know much about. There’s one called Cassandra Fairbanks, or something. They’re coming out against this, and you think, okay that is fair enough.

 

And then you have other people like Jared Batten, who really surprised me, I didn’t think he would come out in favour of this. And so, the real shills, or if you don’t like that term, people who are just wrong and a bit stupid and going along with a false narrative, are now going to reveal themselves. The “wheat” is going to separate itself from the “chaff”!

 

But it’s a pretty depressing state of affairs, folks, I’ve got to say that. I thought we had reached them. I thought this was done with. And it feels like the last five, or six, years have just been for nothing! But let’s see how it turns out. Let’s see just how many of these people will reveal themselves.

 

And just wanted to make a video, sort of saying, this is the situation, and we can keep an eye on it.

 

So thanks for listening folks. And I’ll catch you later.

 

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See Also

 

 

 

 

Millennium Woes with Morgoth on Brexit — TRANSCRIPT

Millennial Woes’ Millenniyule 2017 No. 66 – Morgoth — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – YouTube Hangout 01 – Skeptics and Cucks — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – YouTube Hangout 02 – Merry Holocaustmas — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review — Discussing the Government’s Anti-Extremism Agency ”Prevent” With Based British — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review — Hate-Reading The Guardian – Hirsch, Critical Theory & Nihilism, Jan 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review — The Psychotic Left, Feb 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – Fishing For White Pills, Feb 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

Morgoth’s Review – Hope Not Hate and the State of Play, Feb 2019 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

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[In this 11 minute video, Resurrection Europa outlines Jordan Peterson’s role as an anti-White shill for the Globalists, with attention to his role working for the UN and his editing of a report — “to strip out most of the ideological claptrap” — that outlines a Marxist like blueprint for one world government.

 

Peterson’s role can be likened to that of a Pied Piper, using his “Self-Help” platitudes, his declared opposition to extreme leftist positions, his rejection of “identity politics” (for White consumption only)and his promotion of the “individual”, to lure mostly young White males away from having any kind of group identity as Whites, that could defend White countries against the mass Third World invasions engineered by the Globalists. He directs them towards atomized individualism that is defenceless against the Jew World Order being imposed upon us.

 

Simply put, Peterson demonizes nationalist and identity politics for Whites — the only thing that will save Whites from racial and cultural destruction — because his words show, beneath his “only trying to help” camouflage, that he is anti-White and pro-Jew World Order.

 

“I don’t think that the Caucasian, let’s say, should revert to being ‘White’! I think that’s a bad idea! It’s a dangerous idea! And it’s coming fast! And I don’t like to see that.” — Peterson

 

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Resurrection Europa

 

Jordan Peterson is an

 

Anti-White Globalist

 

Nov 2018

 

 

 

 

Click the link below to view the video:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ty7WOrIgSQ

 

YouTube Description

 

Published on Nov 26, 2018

 

Jordan Peterson just attended the Trilateral Commission conference in Slovenia, but this isn’t the first indication we’ve had that he is a globalist shill.

 

Peterson worked for the United Nations for three years, serving as an adviser to Jim Balsillie, former CEO of RIM. Balsillie is one of George Soros’ proteges, and he co-founded the INET globalist think tank with Soros.

 

Eric Weinstein, the creator of the Intellectual Dark Web that Peterson and many of his associates are featured by, is an official expert at INET.

 

While working at the UN, Peterson helped write a Marxist blueprint for one world government communism:
https://my.mixtape.moe/tlgbsm.pdf

 

It details how wealth must be transferred from the West to the third world, and how illegal immigrants that invade Western countries must be given free money and resources to establish themselves in our countries.

 

Nationalism is the greatest obstacle to the implementation of this globalist communist hegemony, and Jordan Peterson is vehemently anti-nationalist and anti-White.

 

Peterson is a globalist conman working for the people who are in the process of destroying our nations and robbing our descendants of everything we and our ancestors have worked and shed blood for.

 

Jordan Peterson is an enemy the White race and of humanity as a whole.

 

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TRANSCRIPT

 

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Peterson: And then I’m going to speak to the Trilateral Commission in Slovenia, in Ljubljana.

 

 

Media (male): How big is it? How many people physically belong the Trilateral Commission?

 

 

Zbigniew Brzezinski: When we first started it, and let me repeat again for the viewers so they will know what we’re talking about. It’s a North American, Western European, Japanese, organization to promote closer contacts between these three regions of the world. And the Commission’s composed of private citizens, non government officials, and who are leaders in the different sectors of society.

 

Europa: For a while now, some of us who have been paying attention, have noticed that Peterson is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a globalist shill, with a blatantly anti-White agenda.

 

 

Peterson: People in Europe, who are turning to a regressive nationalism as an alternative to the current state of chaos!

 

 

 

 

Europa: I mean, he worked at the United Nations for three years drafting Marxist, one-world government, White papers. He worked for a guy named Jim Balsillie, who was the former CEO of Research in Motion, the Canadian company that invented the BlackBerry. And Jim Balsillie is literally George Soros’ protege. Balsillie and Soros co-founded the INET* globalist think-tank together.

 

 

[* The Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET) is a New York City–based nonprofit think tank. It was founded in October 2009 as a result of the 2007–2012 global financial crisis, and runs a variety of affiliated programs at major universities such as the Cambridge-INET Institute at the University of Cambridge. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_New_Economic_Thinking]

 

 

A think-tank that just so happens to employ Eric Weinstein as an official expert. The guy who created the “Intellectual Dark Web” [IDW*] that has been shilling Peterson and a variety of other anti-White schlubs that are masquerading as radical centrists in an attempt to cement the Overton Window* firmly, just to the Left of center. So Peterson, of course, doesn’t deny that he worked at the UN. He’s quite proud of the fact that he worked there.

 

[*IDW:  https://medium.com/rebel-wisdom/how-to-join-the-intellectual-dark-web-a-users-guide-b60ae0b12b86]

 

[Add. image] *Overton Window. (Click image to enlarge)

 

An analogy comparing the restricted view of looking out of a window to that of the restricted range of political ideas that are accepted by most of the public. If the “window” shifts to the Right then that reflects a shift in public opinion to the Right. The analogy was introduced in the 90s by Joseph P. Overton (1960–2003) who worked for a libertarian think tank, the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, in Michigan, USA.

 

 

 

Peterson: I worked on the UN Secretary General’s high panel for sustainability. That report was delivered, I believe, in 2013. And I rewrote the underlying narrative to strip out most of the ideological claptrap!

 

 

Europa: However, he often brings up his time at the UN and sort of tries to do this half-assed kind of criticism of the report that he spent three years of his life working on.

 

 

Peterson: I was working for a UN panel on economic sustainability for the Secretary-General. The original narrative was extremely pessimistic! It detailed how we were despoiling the planet, and how everything was getting worse, and how we were at each others throats.

 

 

 

Europa: He always criticizes the report for being overly pessimistic about the state of the Earth’s environment. And, you know much of this report is about how “climate change” and humans affecting the environment are just devastating the planet so much, that the United Nations now needs to step in and begin managing how different countries are interacting with the environment and with each other.

 

 

What’s really telling though, is what Peterson doesn’t talk about when he brings up his time working at the United Nations. What he doesn’t mention about the paper he worked on. To my knowledge, he has never addressed some of the really scary things that are in this paper.

 

 

Such as the fact that it’s literally a Marxist, communist, one-world government, blueprint that talks about how the United Nations now needs to step in to create equity inside of nations, between all people. So equality of outcome, and equity between nations! So, for example, between First World nations and Third World nations. This is Marxist wealth transfer, socialist redistribution stuff, on a global scale. Yet, Jordan Peterson has never criticized this work that he has done, in that regard. He just talks about how, oh, you know, they’re a little too pessimistic about the environment.

 

 

Peterson claims that he rewrote this entire document to quote, “strip it of the underlying ideological claptrap”. Think about it. What does that actually mean? I mean, the paper still says what it says, but if he’s removing the “ideological claptrap” as he says, it sounds like they paid him to mask the language in the document so it was less overtly Marxist. One of the things this document mentions a few times is creating equity between different countries. It says here on page 13:

 

“Equity needs to be at the forefront. Developing countries need time, as well as financial and technological support, to transition to sustainable development.”

 

 

And then it says:

 

“We must empower all of society, especially women, young people, the unemployed, the most vulnerable, the weakest sections of society!”

 

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I mean, this is pure Marxism! This is all about lifting up the “oppressed classes” and creating “social equity” for them.

 

 

And since it’s the UN, I mean, it even says like they’re focused on accomplishing this in every single country on earth! And then, here on here on page 25, some more stuff about equity:

 

“In spite of some improvements in social equity, vulnerable groups and minorities, etc., indigenous people, disabilitated, undocumented immigrants of illegal immigrants, and people discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation, and gender identity.”

 

 

And next it just straight up says:

 

“The principle of equity remains fundamental to sustainable development.”

 

And I mean, “equity” is “equality of outcome”. This is pure Marxist communism! And so this is what the United Nations aims to achieve.

 

 

Peterson says:

 

“Oh, I rewrote this document to strip it of its ideological claptrap.”

 

But I mean, all of this remains in the document. All of this talk about creating equity between different groups, in every country on earth!

 

 

So, if anything, he went in and removed the language that made it seem too overtly communist, to help disguise it so that it wasn’t as bad as it was. I mean, can you imagine how bad it would have been? Can you imagine how bad it must have been before they paid Jordan Peterson to come in and rewrite this document so it didn’t seem as obviously communist?

 

 

And look at this. It starts talking about social equity and carbon prices. It says on page 51, it says:

 

“Social equity is a key element of the scheme which provides support to low-income households to assist with the impact of the carbon price.”

 

 

So here, they’re actually using “climate change” as justification for socialist redistribution of wealth from the wealthier people in society to the low-income people in society. Such as the illegal immigrants that they already mentioned earlier in the document as being in need of this. Here’s where things start getting really scary. On page 68, it says:

 

“Equity, both between and within countries, is central to sustainable development.”

 

 

What does it mean to “create equality of outcome between countries”?

 

 

Well what this is saying is they want to transfer wealth between countries from the wealthier countries, aka, the Western world, into the Third World. And they believe that this is going to have a positive impact on climate change. That’s their justification for doing this. And on page 71:

 

“The panel calls for a process to explore the concept and application of the critical issue of equity in relation to sustainable development.”

 

 

So there you have it! This document that Jordan Peterson rewrote to strip it of the ideological claptrap, is a Marxist, one-world government, communist, White paper.

 

 

It’s a blueprint for how the United Nations intends to redistribute the wealth from First World nations, not only to Third World countries, but also to illegal immigrants who come into First World countries!

 

Because remember, they said they want to create equity between regular citizens and illegal immigrants too! So yeah, why is it then when Jordan Peterson brings up his time at the United Nations, and he brings up this paper he worked on, he never, ever, talks about the fact that it’s a Marxist one-world government blueprint?

 

He only talks about how, oh he thinks that, you know, maybe some of the conclusions they came to you about the state of the environment, aren’t quite as bad as it is in reality. You never hear him expose this! You never hear him talk about this! Frankly, it’s obviously, because he wants to help them achieve this.

 

 

Peterson: I think the vast majority, for example, of entrepreneurs in the United States, come from the Indian subcontinent. So, …

 

 

Peterson: Great! You know, bring them over! They’re highly educated, they’re extraordinarily productive! They make lots of new businesses, and then they pump money like mad, back into India! Good deal!

 

Europa: Nationalism is the largest obstacle these globalists have to overcome to implement their vision from global communist hegemony. Naturally, Jordan Peterson decries nationalism as a “reprehensible evil” that must be abolished, taking exceptional issue with nationalism and the Western world that would prevent globalists from flooding our countries with migrants!

 

 

Peterson: I don’t think that the Caucasian, let’s say, should revert to being “White”! I think that’s a bad idea! It’s a dangerous idea! And it’s coming fast! And I don’t like to see that.

 

 

Peterson: And then that celebrated say on the radical Right! Well, okay well if we’re going to devolve into tribalism, then we’ll triumphantly herald our past accomplishments and unite under the flag of our race and blood! But we know what happens when that happens. It’s not pretty!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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See Also:

 

 

Jordan Peterson Debates Cathy Newman on the Gender Pay Gap — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

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