Monika Schaefer: Hey, everybody. Greetings. You are listening to The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer and this is on the Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org. It is the 21st day of December in the year 2024. It is the solstice today. So that’s the shortest day in the northern lands and the longest day in the southern lands. And after this, the sun comes back, or if you’re in the southern hemisphere, I guess the days will get shorter for you!

 

Welcome. It is episode 24 of The Flipside with Monika. I have a few announcements and I guess housekeeping items to take care of and things to tell you about before I bring my guest on. My guest today, I’m very excited about this. I’ve been wanting this to happen for a long time. His name is Anthony Hall. He is a professor. Well, he’s a retired professor now at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta. I know him well. And we are going to present you with an interesting story.

 

But first I would just like to say that I’m going to take a little bit of a different approach to asking you to support the network.

 

So this is always a very uncomfortable part of my task because I feel like I’m asking for money, but I have to remind myself I’m not asking for money for myself. The hosts do not get money out of this. We do this because we know what is at stake and it is just critically important that we get to talk about the truth! I’ll just ask you to mute your mic, Tony, until you come on! No problem. Just some interference there.

 

So, yeah, so the reason, I’m just saying it always makes me a little uncomfortable because I don’t like to ask for money. I don’t want to guilt trip anybody. And again, it’s not for me personally. It is the network. It is a listener supported network.

 

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All right, I’m going to set the stage, so to speak, for before I bring Tony in to tell his story and that we’ll have a little conversation about some of the things that have happened to him. I’m more or less entitling this, “How They Keep the Professors in Line”. As I told you, he’s a university Professor and they have a lot of pressure on them to basically stick with the prescribed narratives on any number of topics. And by now, and I’m sure that most of the listeners listening to this program are aware that we are being lied to on a grand scale.

 

Okay, so if a Professor steps out of line, what happens to him? And Tony will tell us about that in a few minutes.

 

But just a bit of history here. I first met Tony in 2015, so about nine years ago, and he was traveling with Kevin Barrett on a speaking tour after Kevin Barrett had published the book We Are Not Charlie Hebdo. And there were multiple authors to that project.

 

And one of the authors was my friend Tony Hall. And they came, I hosted them in Jasper, Alberta where I lived at the time. And they spoke to do with the Charlie Hebdo incident, you may remember that.

 

And then in 2016 we traveled together to Germany and that was the year that I made my life changing video, Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust. We also contributed bits like video pieces which then CODOH, which is the Committee on Open Debate on the Holocaust, they edited together a four minute video in which we answered the question “Why Do You Support Open Debate on the Holocaust?” And Germar Rudolf was at that time, he was the one who was heading up the CODOH website, CODOH.com. He’s no longer heading that up now.

 

And by the way, he has been arrested! He is currently in jail and awaits transfer to another jail. And this is all to do with something completely trivial and unrelated to what they really are after him for. And he has done a huge amount of work on Holocaust Revisionism as they call it. I would call it “Correctionism”.

 

But anyway he has published many books, the Holocaust Handbook series and more recently the Holocaust Encyclopedia which is an incredible volume.

 

And so we will talk more about that with Tony because somehow this all ties together. And actually a little bit more history here. Before I met Tony there was this Tehran conference and I’m sure you’ll tell us more about that, Tony, but in 2014, the New Horizons Conference. But I’m just still setting the stage here to give people a bit of background.

 

After that conference there were some smear articles against you and I saw the clip there which you’ve included in your epic article, we’ll talk about that. But this newspaper article in which Ezra Levent was also pictured, but we’re not sure who authored these words. But they talked about you:

 

“Still a madman and poster boy for the end of tenure.”

 

And that was in 2014. And in 2016 after our trip to Germany together, something happened to you, Tony Hall, that indeed that statement two years earlier was a little bit prophetic.

 

And tenure for those who don’t know what that means, it basically gives Professors who have paid their dues and put in a lot of work and time and are full Professors, it gives them academic freedom or that is the theory.

 

Okay, and now one more thing, I’ll just say to set this up, I have a certain relative and his words ring in my ears when I was trying to inform him about the lies. And this was only about 9/11 at the time. I don’t think I’d yet gone down the road of Holocaust, discovering the lies about that. And his words ring in my ears as I was telling him about Bolshevism and how they murdered millions and millions and millions of people and that that was a jewish operation and all those things.

 

And then this relative says to me:

 

“You mean to tell me that all the university Professors were wrong?”

 

And I know I’ve shared that with you, Tony. You said yes, I’ve said it many times. But that sets the stage for today. So welcome, Tony, to the show, first of all, greetings. And why don’t you tell us what happened to you in 2016? Over to you.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Well, thanks, Monika, and congratulations on having a regular show!

 

Monika Schaefer: Thank you.

 

Pro Tony Hall: You deserve it. And your story is very important. You know, just before I get into my own story, this whole phenomena of what happened in World War II, resulting in this production of this narrative which became known as “The Holocaust”. You know that in 1948, there was something called the Genocide Convention at the UN. So “genocide” entered the language, and many genocides have taken place over history. But when does a genocide become a holocaust? And when does “a Holocaust” become “The Holocaust”? Are we seeing a holocaust in Gaza? And how do you get this title of “The Holocaust”?

 

So The Holocaust becomes a narrative with a huge impact. You know, in a way, the winning side of World War II use their political currency to create the UN, to create Israel, to create the Genocide Convention. And this Holocaust story becomes kind of the core narrative of our times. It sort of defines right and wrong, good and bad, and it certainly becomes the political pillar for the state of Israel. And so as we were socialized to sort of feel very guilty and feel that this act of atonement through the creation of Israel was a good thing and a required thing.

 

But then, lo and behold, the people who received this first supposedly primal, defining genocide became deliverers of genocide since 2023. And now they don’t want to face the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice. They want to say:

 

“No, no, this is not a genocide. It is not a “Holocaust”.

 

I would say that the suffering we’re seeing imposed on the people of Gaza and it’s expanding from there, it’s beyond anything, even in the most extreme versions of what happened in the Holocaust, what happened at, say, Auschwitz. Meeting a death, let’s say we assume this controversial thesis that people died in gas chambers in Auschwitz. Dying in a gas chamber is nothing like the harshness, the ruthlessness, the cruelty imposed on people in Gaza who are being starved, no water, carpet bombed, just faced with an incredible array of various forms of genocide.

 

So I want to acknowledge the people who stand their ground. And you sort of led me down this pathway to see these things, going to Germany and meeting your brother. I mean, it was a great pleasure and honor for me to be invited by you and I took it, you know, it was a personal matter in a way, meeting Alfred [Monika’s older brother]. I’m sure the audience knows who Alfred is.

 

And then you made Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust, a story that you told me very many times about your mother. And we made together this other video called “Why do you believe in open debate on the holocaust?” Which led me to become a kind of marked man. When I was saying it at the time, it seemed to me it was a no-brainer, this idea that of course we should have open debate on everything.

 

And as a university Professor Guarding the principles of academic freedom as I thought, it was a no-brainer to look in the camera and say that and justify that. And I was astonished by my colleagues in the university who didn’t take that as a given! We can’t allow the precedent to be set that there’s things we can’t talk about and issues we must avoid.

 

So very quickly after we returned to Jasper, you were immediately spurned and blocked from lots of things. The Legion, which was the major musical venue, you couldn’t play there, and then you couldn’t be on the environmental committee, and then you couldn’t be in the fiddle teaching business. And you know, it was just amazing to see all these institutional things shutting you down. And then most everybody, I saw, most every one of your friends turned against you and said:

 

“Well, now you’re a holocaust denier and you really seem to actually support the National Socialists. And I just can’t be friends with such a person.’

 

And I have to say that watching you at the time, you handled it well and strongly. But there were times I saw such sadness in you and it was something to behold. I wrote letters to explain how wrong it was to judge you by your political beliefs, to say whether or not you could teach fiddle. I would say to the fiddle people who run that school:

 

“Well, now you’ve gone into the political business of deciding thought policing. So you’re not really a credible fiddle teaching agency anymore or environmental agency.”

 

All of this thought control stuff came into place and I watch and actually one of your close friends decided it must be me. It couldn’t be dear sweet Monika, who was becoming this horrific Holocaust denier. And they figured I must be leading you [chuckling] astray.

 

Monika Schaefer: You and my evil brother, you know! [chuckling]

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah he’s in there, too!

 

And I have to say, it was one thing to defend open debate on the Holocaust, but then quickly I could see there were other things involved in this.

 

And so, anyway, I started to take the flack for this and be demonized because of it. And lo and behold, that next term, this was shortly before the term started in September of 2016, there was a major assault on my reputation, led by something called B’nai Brith Canada, the extension of the Anti-Defamation League in the United States, who, I imagine most people, if you’re listening to this show, probably know what that is.

 

But basically they see themselves as, they’re going to find the future Nazis and make sure they never get in power, and they’re going to defame and diminish and ruin the reputation of and make them unemployable, people who they think might be going to raise issues that they do not want raised.

 

And so there was a terrible scam that Facebook and B’nai Brith played where they made up a Facebook post on my Facebook wall saying that I was saying:

 

“All the jews should be killed and they should be strung up. And the Holocaust didn’t happen, but it should have happened, and kill all jews!”

 

Was in there.

 

And so this was spread around without me knowing it on the Internet. And then I became aware of it. Oh, my God!

 

And so it turned out that this was the preparatory work to what became my suspension. I was literally kind of dragged out of the classroom in October and told:

 

“You cannot be on campus. You are a trespasser on campus!”

 

So one day I’m a tenured full Professor with my classes going. The next day I’m criminalized without any due process and told, I can’t come back on campus. And then it came out that the technique was to put aside the collective agreement, the rule book, the policy book, and the university went to the Human Rights Tribunal and said:

 

“Hall has violated the Human Rights act of Alberta.”

 

And so this was kind of bizarre, but they didn’t tell anybody. Well, Hall is accused of this by the university itself. All that appears in the paper is:

 

“Hall is under investigation by the Human Rights Tribunal.”

 

And anyway, so then suddenly, there I am, trying to gather myself. At the time, I couldn’t really think of anything like it that I really knew about in Canada. I’d read about Professors in the United States and I started to do a lot of research about them.

 

And of course, this initial statement that Hall, you know, says:

 

“Kill all jews the Holocaust never happened, but it should have.”

 

And intertwined, inter intermingled in all of this was the fact that you and I had been in Germany and that I made this film. And they played clips of this film, me saying there should be open debate on the Holocaust.

 

And so it sort of fit together that somebody who made a film like that might be saying those kind of things. And it was quite expertly woven together, this fiction about my beliefs at the time and everything. I hadn’t, as you know, gone into a lot of study of the Holocaust, ever! You know, I had written some things about the fact that US businesses, British businesses, had funded Hitler and that Auschwitz was actually IG Auschwitz was actually a slave labor camp to produce jet plane fuel and tires. And this new technology, this IG Farben with German technology being applied in a very dirty way, that this was a slave labor camp.

 

And so I’d written about that, but not about transforming, so the story goes, Auschwitz into a death camp, into an industrialized death camp to produce this astonishing number of victims of the Holocaust, this 6 million number. I mean, I wasn’t really in any position to judge that whole story one way or another.

 

But nevertheless, I was suddenly a Holocaust denier, an anti-semite and a conspiracy theorist! Those were the three things that those phrases become the weaponized terms. And so eventually we got, in order to have a court case, my faculty association, the collective body of university Professors, you know, at first they were astonished that this was happening.

 

But then I have to say that that the image of you was kind of exploited in a way.

 

Like I was reading Tadzio Richards on Alberta Views, which is a Left-wing progressive magazine, a kind of place where I might have looked for some support. And I was looking at an abbreviated version of this article, and it’s almost all about you, Monika.

 

And so this story where you stand your ground and say:

 

“Yes, I don’t believe in the Holocaust and yes, I like National Socialists.”

 

I mean, I wasn’t at the point where I could say that, but you were saying it. And that was said because I’m friendly with you and that somehow this is my opinion too. And that seemed like a very shoddy approach. Do you want to get, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’ll just interject that smear by association, that is a really common theme. It’s something that is used, it’s weaponized against us. Because I have experienced other people being smeared by association too. And even you know, second degree, third degree associations, people being smeared that, I don’t know, I guess they, the psychology of that is interesting.

 

And I think that those who seek to destroy us as the usual suspects there, they seem to know us better than we know us and they know that that’s something that people are very affected by in general. Like that their general population is very affected by that.

 

And earlier you said that some of my friends or former friends in Jasper, they just couldn’t fathom that I had become this quote, unquote, “evil person” because of course they’ve been raised and indoctrinated and programed to react in Pavlovian style to this term Holocaust scenario. And Monika, who was formerly, you know, pretty well liked and I was very active and wore many hats in my community in culturally and environmentally and I had, you know, politically as well. And I’d been writing lots of letters to the editor and I had lots of friends and all that and:

 

“Oh, how could she become so evil overnight?”

 

So they did blame the that on these men in my life. So that would be my brother Alfred and Tony Hall, [chuckling] like you were alluding to earlier. But yeah, the smear by association.

 

So about that article that you just alluded to. It was actually, you’re saying it was about you but somehow it ended up that they wrote more about me in it. But you are the bad man because suddenly you’re a Holocaust denier too. Or can you explain that a bit?

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, they into the story on the edges of things, but it, you know, it was an abbreviated version of the article and I want to say Tadzio Richards, a journalist that has a lot to answer for. That was a real scam, dude! If Tadzio Richards ever comes up and you know, obviously Alberta Views is the answer to Alberta Report. You know, my background is like you is as a sort of liberal Left progressive, you know.

 

And so it was Owen Holmes, who was the founder of the University of Lethbridge, he wrote to Alberta Views about what was being done to me and the prosecution and persecution of me and lo and behold, surprise, surprise, it came out with yet more smear. But I just want to, I’m sure there’s going to be a break soon. I Just want to clarify that this situation of me at the university trying to cope with my role in the faculty association and where there are votes and there are assemblies and meetings and various executives that I was hoping to bring those people along. They would have a big say over what would happen.

 

And what did happen, we did get into court. It wasn’t me going into court. It was me in partnership with my faculty association, which had to have the approval of the fellow Professors. And I didn’t. I know a lot of them were having real trouble with the substance of this story and my role in it. Even the little movie, “Why do you believe in open debate on the Holocaust?” And there I was beside you and Alfred, and the three of us were strong on the same page, which in that case we were.

 

So there’s that phase of this story. But I just want to emphasize the point that now I’m Professor emeritus, but I’m retired. I’m not teaching anymore. They got me out of the classroom. But what you’ve done in standing your ground is of global importance!

 

And the fact you were put in jail for a year in Germany of this I’m connected to this, and I’m proud of it. And it’s one of the Summit moments of my career and my life really, to have participated in this basic, fundamental issue is, what is this thing the Holocaust? And how come you can’t debate it? And how come you can’t talk about it freely and openly?

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s a great way to take us into the break and please stay with us. We’ll come back in a few minutes after these messages.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’m going to bring us back in and we have a lot to talk about still. We’re just getting going on a roll.

 

I’m just going to recap a few things here, Tony. You had talked about I had lost all my friends in Jasper. Not all of them, by the way. There were some who stayed very loyal to me.

 

But you know, through all this adventure [chuckling] of discovering that we’ve been lied to and then and then doing some things about it, I gained new friends. And I’m telling you those new friendships I have made are so rich and deep and I never had any regrets. And I and I’m so happy that I did go down this road.

 

Now I do remember you lumping some terms together. They seem to love to do that. And at the time it was these four terms, 9/11 truther, holocaust denier, anti-semitic and conspiracy theorist! So you were all of those things and that wrapped up your career. Right?

 

But just before you come back in, I’ll just tell the listeners that there is no live show next week. So RBN is taking a break from doing live broadcasting. But there will always still be broadcasting. But so since there is no live show that means there’s no call-ins.

 

As far as call-ins today, I’m not sure if we will have time, maybe near the end if somebody had a burning question or comment for the good Professor. And I wanted to also say that on the Chatengo site which I have now, which is this new address, it’s flipsidemo.chatengo.com I did post this epic, epic article that Tony has written recently and it is called “On the Condemnation of Holocaust Denial”. It’s a big essay that it could be a university course.

 

In fact, in our universities after this terrible system that we are under now where they fire Professors for speaking truth. But when that collapses and we have universities that are real and where you really do have academic freedom, that article you wrote, it should be a university course. And I have posted that on the Chitango site. I will also, as soon as the show is over, post the CODOH video.

 

And again, that’s, CODOH.com but they asked the simple question, why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? It’s less than four minutes long. You can also find it on my Odysee channel. So just go to Odysee.com and put in my name, Monika Schaefer and then you can look for that video. Why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? Four minutes. Less than four minutes of your life will be taken up by taking a look at that.

 

One more thing I wanted to tell you, Tony. I talked with Alfred, my brother this morning and he sends you the very warm greetings. He has the utmost highest respect and regards for you.

 

And so I just wanted to pass that message on to you. So back to you, Tony.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, so when you find yourself being referred to as something called a “Holocaust denier”, to me that is the harshest term they can come up with. To be called an “anti-semite” these days? Well, big deal! To be called a conspiracy theorist. Well, if you’re not looking into theories about conspiracy and you’re trying to be a public intellectual, what the hell are you doing? Obviously, people make theories about conspiracies, and it has to do with the exercise of power.

 

But this “Holocaust denial” phrase, it kind of has a judicial ring about it, a juridical ring about it. Like some judge somewhere has hammered down the gavel and said:

 

“Guilty of Holocaust denial!”

 

Like, what does that mean? So as you know, internalize it, and nothing would be more incentive of internalizing it than when you find yourself called that in hundreds of newspapers. And this smear operation to which I was subjected, I want to emphasize, it’s not like just in a few little sites here and there. It becomes a news story around the world and in Israel, throughout the United States, in Europe.

 

And so that becomes, you know how people who’ve never heard of you, who could care less that you existed and don’t really know what the University of Lethbridge is, let alone Lethbridge itself, and suddenly it’s reported as this major news.

 

So the demeaning character of such a statement, who I now know to associate with a Professor of Holocaust studies, Deborah Lipstadt, who wrote a book called Denying the Holocaust and kind of formalized and publicized this concept of “Holocaust denier” because it hasn’t been around that long. It’s a kind of new phrase. You know, it sort of leads me to believe it’s an approach saying:

 

“Hey, goys, you’re not entitled to talk about this! This is like a religious, sanctified thing that only our selected people can talk about, but you are allowed to say, ‘thumbs up’.”

 

“Yeah, I saw Schindler’s List, and it looks pretty good to me. And I got no problem with that.”

 

Or if you have any questions about any of the vast array the Holocaust is called, like, as if it’s one thing, but it took place in many countries, what they refer to the Holocaust. It’s a complex series of events. It’s World War II. So people were suffering and being punished in all kinds of ways, including, no doubt, some jews. Germans, of course, would get their Holocaust after World War II, when they were punished in different ways.

 

But say you want to debate one aspect of it, one or another aspect of it, and this was generally referred to before Deborah Lipstadt as “Holocaust revisionism”. That you want to improve history. History is all about revisionism. You know, history’s never done. You know, it’s improved attitude. People try new theories, interpretations. Other people say:

 

“No, that’s wrong! This is right.”

 

This is how history evolves. And as the state of the world unfolds, you need to sort of reorganize history a bit to pull out of it from history what you need.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just interject, if I may, Tony. So I’ve taken to using the word “Correctionism”, because we know that we’re being lied to on a whole lot of things. And I mean, I have looked into this Holocaust narrative quite a lot, and no evidence for their story!

 

And that’s why they criminalize people, that they have to use force because they don’t actually have evidence. Because if they had evidence, they would just show us the evidence. But since they don’t have evidence, they can’t use facts and arguments because they don’t have any.

 

But anyway, I like to use the word “Correctionism” because revisionism, when I first heard that term, I didn’t like it because I thought:

 

“Well, wait a minute, they’re the ones who actually changed history.”

 

Like something either happened or it didn’t. Something either happened or it didn’t.

 

And so that word to me, I mean, I’ve had people explain it to me and justify the word “revisionism”. It’s just revising what you know, based on let’s say you find new evidence for this or that or the other thing. And I know that’s what you are saying, that if when you find other evidence that you hadn’t seen before, well then you have to revise your interpretation of what actually happened. So I know that is what you are saying, but I just wanted to interject that it has always kind of bothered me.

 

So now I’ve got this other word, correctionism in my lexicon. And about that term, like you were saying being called a Holocaust denier, it’s like it’s a bomb! It is a weapon, and these labels are weapons and all those other labels are weapons.

 

Pro Tony Hall: So you can go to jail for it. And you did go to jail for it!

 

And so you are a testimony, an embodiment of the punishments attached to this thing called “Holocaust denial” and all the ways it’s expressed in other forms and terms in the legal firmament. So ironically, there is a revisionism in Zionist history. Jabotinsky and the people who created Likud, which Netanyahu is in this very Right-wing extreme version of wanting an expanded Israel, a Greater Israel. They call it Zionist revisionism.

 

Anyway, this is just the starting point into a huge question. And so I’ve written this this year, and it sort of was like a just a gusher coming out of me because I’ve been thinking about this term Holocaust denial and what it can do to you and how it’s being manipulated and how it’s being transformed into a crime, a literal crime for which you can go to jail. What else is what other ideas or what other ethnic groups have this kind of power?

 

And so it obviously, this power to define a Holocaust denier is an expression of a power that is gross! Which is being manipulated, which is out of hand, which is disproportionate.

 

So this article I just went through looking at it from many, many Angles. One thing that was very interesting to me was to look at the literature of jewish communists who see themselves as you know, critics of this word that we could debate. But fascism, World War II had this image of communism versus fascism, although Adolf Hitler himself saw himself as a socialist.

 

Monika Schaefer: National Socialist.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, National Socialist. But I found in Tony Greenstein’s new book about zionism during the Holocaust, during World War II, and that’s based on largely Lenny Brenner, another jewish communists who were. Both of them went into a great amount of detail about the Transfer Agreement.

 

The fact that the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialist government, with Adolf Eichmann as kind of the chief minister responsible for jewish affairs, they got along very well. And they, very quickly after Hitler came to power, negotiated an agreement that tens of thousands of jews from Germany and later beyond Germany would be helped to emigrate to Palestine, which was then under the British mandate of the League of Nations.

 

And in fact, there was a very thriving group of German jews in Palestine who could not only emigrate there, but they could get at their money and they could use their money to establish farms and such. And I think, actually begin to import products into the Middle East. And there became a market for those products. And it became a very big part in the Genesis of Israel, in the Zionist Genesis. You know, they hadn’t yet, before World War II, achieved creating a jewish state, but they did have the Balfour Declaration from the British saying that Palestine was to be a jewish homeland.

 

And so there was this very concerted movement involving some jews to create Israel as a country. This was their objective. So these jewish Communists wrote about how the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialists got together and then how these Zionists kind of manipulated Hitler into the position. And like Greenstein says they wanted jews to stay in position. If a jew wanted to go to the United States or emigrate, they didn’t want that. The only legitimate thing was to migrate to Palestine.

 

And then he sort of implies that they also wanted to keep a certain amount of jews on hand to be killed in what they now call the Holocaust. Incidentally, Yad Vashem had a Holocaust museum being planned in 1942. Yad Vashem is the main Holocaust museum in Israel and is kind of a center where the official story of the Holocaust is ratified. So imagine that already in 1942 they’re planning Holocaust museums!

 

Monika Schaefer: Kind of reminds me about the fact that the 6 million narrative was tossed around many, many, many times well before World War II, like World War I. And I mean, I’ve seen images of the articles and videos have been made about this, that:

 

“The 6 million lost souls or 6 million jews are under threat, or 6 million, you know, jews are being persecuted.”

 

That was tossed around a long, long time ago already and I think they even used, possibly they even used the word Holocaust in some of those articles.

 

But with this so-called Holocaust, they didn’t actually come out with that word until I think in the 60s. Like if people are saying that if they looked into an encyclopedia in the 50s, they would not find that word “Holocaust” with relation to World War II. Maybe you know something about that, Tony.

 

But yeah, that 6 million number was tossed around long before. And what an interesting fact that you just brought out about Yad Vashem Museum with their Holocaust Museum in 1942, already.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yes. So this, I’m getting this out of the book of Tony Greenstein. And of course he’s a darling in the progressive media and especially Mondo Weiss and Electronic Intifada, which get big audience, but they wouldn’t touch “The Holocaust” with the ten foot pole.

 

But taking the critique developed by Tony Greenstein of zionism during World War II, it’s pretty significant. It overturns a lot of preconceptions and stereotypes that just don’t apply. And there was this boycott of Germany, which I think was conducted in a way to put pressure on Hitler to sit down and negotiate with the Zionists of Germany.

 

Monika Schaefer: Are you talking about, … Sorry, I’ll just interject. You’re talking about 1933, within a few weeks of Adolf Hitler coming to power, that “Judea Declares War on Germany”?

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah. That famous newspaper headline. But Hitler hadn’t even been voted into power. He would soon get a majority vote where he was made sort of worthy of the title that Hindenburg already had given him, which is Chancellor.

 

So he had become the Chancellor. Anyway, just like the snap of a finger this Untermyer and other Zionists in New York organized this boycott. But it seems the boycott is to pressure Germany. It’s very sort of interesting how Zionists can manipulate situations and play both sides and whatnot. So that’s how I’m interpreting it.

 

So in any case, then there is the story of the Toronto trials. And the Toronto trials in 1985 and 1988 were the big moment for Ernst Zundel to take the stage. He was charged with a crime of “spreading false news”. And his response was to say:

 

“Yay! There’s going to be a platform!”

 

And, boy, did he ever make a platform. He brought in Robert Faurisson, who is an amazing analyst of all of this and really has the gas chamber story and the frauds involved in the gas chamber story down cold.

 

So then there was David Irving. He managed to pull in David Irving, who was sort of new to the subject of what was going on. But there were this exhaust system in the gas chamber in the reconstructed, what we’re told is the gas chamber that couldn’t have been there. And I saw he and David Cole doing a tour of Auschwitz. And the exhaust from the gas chamber was right outside the kitchen of the SS! And how practical would that be for scientific engineer Germans to construct it that way?

 

So the Toronto trials were sort of triumph where the chief historian [Raul Hilberg] of the Holocaust, you would remember his name. And these eyewitnesses were sort of humiliated on the stand. There was Doug Christie, the lawyer. And Faurisson gave him the backing, helping him out, gave him the information how to do stunning cross examinations of these people and demonstrate that these foremost authorities on the Holocaust couldn’t come up with evidence and eyewitnesses were proven to be wrong. And ever since then, there have been no eyewitnesses!

 

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just say Ernst Zundel amassed an amazing team now, the “Exterminationists”, so those who made the charges against Ernst Zundel, they thought that:

 

“Oh, they’ll be done within a few days, this will be over. They’ll just wipe their feet on him!”

 

And they actually afterwards conceded:

 

“Oh, my goodness, that was a bit of a victory for the revisionist side.”

 

And they got smeared.

 

And we only have about probably half a minute left, Tony.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, give me that half minute, if you would.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, you go ahead.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

 

So this then results in Deborah Lipstadt entering the picture. And Deborah Lipstadt is a Professor of Holocaust studies, whatever that’s supposed to mean. If she was a real professor, she would have invited Ernst Zundel to speak in her class. But no, instead she writes this book, Denying the Holocaust.

 

Monika Schaefer: Which Germar Rudolf refuted.very word of it!

 

Pro Tony Hall: It’s very popular to refute her. And she is a real disgrace and shame to the academy. That woman is not of a high caliber to be teaching in a university. And so out of that came this Holocaust denial term. David Irving was smeared and there was this big trial resulting in the movie “The Denial”.

 

Monika Schaefer: We’re gonna have to have you back, Tony, I can see. Just a final word, I guess, like Happy Yule. Merry Christmas. Happy Solstice.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Well, Merry Christmas to you, Monika, and to your family.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Thank you, Tony.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: All right. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, Mr. Producer. Thank you, dear listeners. And we’ll see you in the new year.

 

All right, everybody, thank you very much. Bye bye.

 

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Monika Schaefer: All right, greetings. Hello everyone. Good day. Good afternoon wherever you are. Today is November 16th, 2024. You are listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network at RepublicBroadcasting.org. This is episode 20 of The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer.

 

And today I am absolutely delighted to have a guest who is a very good friend of mine, Kathleen Dudley. She was born and raised not too far from where I grew up near Edmonton, Alberta, in a small town just north of there, but now is residing in the United States, in New Mexico, in fact, and has been, I think you became an American citizen quite a few years ago.

 

Before I bring Kathleen on, I’ll just remind the listener that this is listener supported. So if you possibly can support the Republic Broadcasting Network, go to the website@republicbroadcasting.org and you will find the donate button there. And there are different ways of donating, either directly or by supporting the sponsors.

 

And I always encourage people also to share these shows, tell other people about the Republic Broadcasting Network. There are many good shows on this network and you’re not going to hear this kind of stuff on the mainstream media or what some people call the “Mockingbird Media”. Okay.

 

And I will also tell people about the chat room. It’s at the flipside w.monica.chatango.com and you can share things there. And I share things there from time to time. And yeah. So I wanted to tell you about that.

 

Okay. So Kathleen, are you there? Can you hear me?

 

Kathleen Dudley: I can. And thank you very much, Monika. I’ve been looking forward to this and what a surprise and a privilege and a joy.

 

Monika Schaefer: Thank you. Well, I’ve been looking forward to this for quite some time. This has been sometime in the making, I think we could see. I’ll just tell the listener a little bit about how we first met. You interviewed me. You were producing some content. You had a YouTube channel and I think you still do, although probably a lot of the videos that were a little bit more in the forbidden territory. You have, I think, an Odysee channel or maybe you can tell us about that in a moment. But where you have most of your content. And you were interviewing me. That’s how we first met.

 

And then you ended up in your own big battle. It had nothing to do with World War II history, like my big court epic, you know, battles. [chuckling] But I found it quite amusing, to tell you the truth! It was rather amusing. That doesn’t matter what somebody’s trials and tribulations are about somehow there seems to always be a jew in the mix that brings in the Holocaust into it! [chuckling]

 

And the background to that is that I attended your trial, but it was virtual trial. Everybody was on Zoom and there were a bunch of people visible on the screen. And at some point, one of these people on the other side of things was pointing out to the judge:

 

“Oh, there’s somebody there on, in the witness in the room here, like on the Zoom screen. Do you know who that is?”

 

And I can’t remember exactly how they put it, but it was really quite comical, if you ask me, that somehow they managed to bring the Holocaust into it because they were pointing at me, my presence there and that I am, you know, quote, unquote, “a Holocaust denier”.

 

So this was supposed to smear you by association, which., … Well, there you go. Even though your trial had nothing to do with the Holocaust or World War II history, it was about other things.

 

But that’s not what we’re here to talk about today. Unless you wanted to share, you know, any background about that, Kathleen, because I know that in your process of going through the court system, you learned a lot! Do you want to talk touch on that at all?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, not unless it comes in indirectly in the rest of what we’re talking about. I think I’d rather stick to our plan, thank you.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, well, that’s the thing, our plan. Actually, Kathleen had approached me a few weeks ago and said:

 

“Well, I’m really looking forward to when you have a guest on that’s going to explain somebody who’s really an expert on fascism. Who can tell us what is fascism, what is that?”

 

And here we are today and it’s you and me talking about this subject of fascism because we, we’ve talked about this a little bit and you know, this term “fascist” is a term that is thrown around, bandied about willy nilly, constantly, all the time. And I would guess that 99% of the people who use that term just willy nilly to basically, if somebody’s bad:

 

“Oh, they’re a fascist!”

 

Or if some government or politician:

 

“Oh, that’s a fascist!”

 

You know. [chuckling] And I don’t think they have a clue what is fascism. So we both kind of dug into that a little bit, although I think you did more than I did.

 

So that’s what we want to unravel today a little bit. What is that? I mean, is fascism, does that deserve to be used as such a weaponized label that just means something really bad and what do people actually mean by it when they call somebody a fascist? I really think they have no clue. What do you think, Kathleen?

 

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Kathleen Dudley: Well, I tend to agree with you. I think words are weaponized, as we know, and they’re the grimoire, the book of magic spells and incantations. And we’ve seen that you use the word “Trump”, and all of a sudden someone goes ballistic, or you use the word “Nazi” and someone goes ballistic.

 

But more than that, a picture, an image is created in their mind, and it evokes emotions and there’s no thought. It bypasses the reason. It bypasses the brain. It bypasses the capacity to be logical.

 

And that’s how words have been used. And they’ve been used that way for hundreds and hundreds of years. And fascism is one of those.

 

And so when I first talked with you about this, Monika, I said there’s two words, Nazi and fascist. And I said:

 

“Both of those need to be really torn apart and explained.”

 

And fascism has been on my radar. And between the two of us, I now have a sense that I understand “fascism”. And I’d like for other people to understand it so that they don’t get caught into that incantation, that spell, that grimoire of the word. Because how we use language expresses our clarity and our understanding of life. And if we aren’t clear with the use of our language, then we’re not clear in the direction in which we walk in life.

 

So to me, it’s critical. What’s your thought on that?

 

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely! Before I got a little bit of a deeper understanding of what is fascism, Because I’m still certainly no expert on it, but I do know a little bit more now than I did even just a short while ago. I still had the feeling, though, that people were using it wrongly and that it was just another one of these demonized words like Nazi. A demonized, you know, weaponized word. What does it actually mean?

 

And so I would say to people, when they use that word, or even people who are in our community of truth tellers and people who seem to know that were being lied to about this and that, but they would still use that word. So to those people, I would say:

 

“Look, I think that that word has been wrongly vilified and used, even though I myself did not yet know really what it was, but I still had the sense that they shouldn’t be just calling somebody a fascist if in the sense that, oh, that’s bad. You know, they’re bad.”

 

And so, yeah, it, we do need to stop people in their tracks when they’re using it, when we know that they should know better.

 

So that’s our mission today, to bring that out a little bit. Why don’t you talk a little bit about. Oh, well, in our, in our discussions we were talking about Ernst Zundel and then who was Ernst Zundel’s mentor? Adrian Arcand. And that’s the man who really helped Ernst Zundel wake up! And in his own words, he felt “born again”, born again to the truth! Adrian Arcand, he is a Canadian, was a Canadian man. He’s no longer alive. That was a while back. And he did, I think it was like a 10 minute talk that we both really liked because he explains fascism. Do you want to tell us a little bit about that?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Sure. Adrian Arcand was born in 1899 and he died in 1967. He was a politician and a writer and a journalist.

 

And the interesting thing is, of course, when you look at the jew Wikipedia, you know, he was a “fascist” politician. You know, it’s like name calling. It’s juvenile use of words, because it’s not meant in a descriptive way, it’s meant in a demonizing way.

 

 

So when he was interviewed, and I love this interview because it made it very, very clear.

 

And if you do a deep dive and you go on Wikipedia and you go on to the online dictionaries, the story of what fascism is so convoluted. What he says is:

 

“Fascism means nationalizing.”

 

He said it is:

 

“It’s the control of a nation by its nationals.”

 

And then you go:

 

“Oh, what’s a national?”

 

“So it’s having or expressing strong identification with one’s own nation and vigorous support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.”

 

So, for example, as a German born woman, while you’re a Canadian born, but you’re of German ancestry, you might have very strong nationalistic identification for Germany and its culture as it was. Would that be correct?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes. Basically fascism is nationalism.

 

And it’s important to distinguish the word nationalism from patriotism, because nationalism means nationhood. And nationhood means your ethnic racial group. This is what you are loyal to this is who you want your country to be, geared towards the benefit of your people, basically.

 

And so now that really would explain why in our mainstream, you know, weaponized lingo that’s been foisted upon us, that word has been turned into a weaponized label that is just so demonized! Because, I mean, who is it that owns the banks and owns the media? It is jewish. You know, it’s organized jewry. It’s jews who don’t like fascism precisely because it is basically an opposite of their agenda. It’s people working in their nations for their nation. And if your leaders are fascist, that’s a good thing. They are working for our interests in our nation and our nationhood. Back to you, Kathleen.

 

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Kathleen Dudley: Okay.

 

And so what’s most interesting, too, if we look at what is happening today, to identify as a White woman, to identify with my ancestral origins, is considered very negative. That I could be considered a criminal in one way or another. It’s leading in those directions.

 

[See: What World-Famous Men Said About the Jews]

 

Now, one of the things that Adrian Arcand said was that the First World War was a revolt against the high culture and civilization of Germany. And it was to implant communism in Russia. And so that was what the First World War was about. And it was the most strategic place in the world because it was touching Europe, the Near East and Asia.

 

And then the Second World War, it widened the scope of communism, it spread it, and it smashed down the empires of the Western world. Now high culture is what has been targeted by the Bolsheviks, the jews, both in Russia in the Bolshevik Revolution and World War I and World War II in Germany. And we see today the Christian ethics being absolutely trounced upon.

 

So one of the things that Adrian Arkan looked at was what was happening right at the time he was in Canada and doing his work as a journalist. Rene Levesque was powerful at that point in time as well. And I remember, as you mentioned, I grew up in Canada. I remember his party. He was hard Left. And he described that he himself was far-Right. And he said, and this is defining fascism in a broader sense. And he’s saying:

 

“The Right affirms the sum total of tradition, which is made of high culture. And high culture consists of music and the arts and literature and science and mathematics. And it’s about revering these cultural classics.”

 

And he said:

 

“It’s also about the existence of God, the existence of a human soul and the dignity of man and freedom, private property and the sacred rights of family, also of free enterprise, the free activity of free men and free markets.”

 

On the opposite spectrum of socialism, where Rene Levesque was postulating and socialism was defined by the Soviets, it denies God, it denies the human soul, it denies freedom, the dignity of man, it denies the sacred rights of family. It denies free enterprise. It denies private property and private initiative.

 

So if you take a look at everything on the Left having to do with socialism, which in essence was the precursor to communism, which is Marxism, it’s all negative. And there was no substitution, there was no alternative.

 

Whereas on the Right, it’s about family, it’s about high culture, it’s about valuing individuality.

 

And so all we have to do is take a look at, here’s this man who’s been claimed and called a fascist, and he acknowledges that he is, but his values are the values that are of very high morals and ethics. And I would be proud to walk beside and be a part of his legacy, which I feel like I am. And I’m proud to know that fascism, in fact, is a very positive and important word that embodies Christian ethics.

 

So if you take a look at who’s throwing the daggers at the fascists, it’s the communists! It’s the Marxists! They’re the ones.

 

And as I was doing my reading and looking at definitions and articles on fascism, the editors or the authors of those articles were, in one case, a Sephardic jew. And who is building Wikipedia on our computers?

 

So here we have a very clear explanation, in my opinion, of the difference between fascism and communism.

 

Monika Schaefer: Basically, they’re polar opposites. So fascism, …

 

Kathleen Dudley: Exactly!

 

Monika Schaefer: It just sounds to me like fascism is the opposite of communism! And when you say you would be honored to walk beside this man, you’re talking about Adrian Arcand, are you?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes!

 

Monika Schaefer: And let me just mention that Adrian Arcand spent six years in a concentration camp.

 

Now, when I heard that, I thought:

 

“Oh, I just assumed in Europe.”

 

Like, somehow I didn’t know why. I didn’t know that much about him. I didn’t know why in Europe, but I just thought, well, that’s where these concentration camps were that we all have heard about so much. But, no, he was in a concentration camp in Canada for six years during the war.

 

Now, the war didn’t last six years, so did he go into the concentration camp? Was he pulled in? You know, was he arrested and thrown in there before the war?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes.

 

Monika Schaefer: Or did they just keep him? Is that correct?

 

Kathleen Dudley: I think it was 1940.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh. So after the war began. But then they held him in there for six years in a Canadian concentration camp. That blew my mind! I didn’t even know that that existed. Although we’ve all heard about the camps for the Japanese and that. But here was this French-Canadian guy from Quebec, right?

 

So, yeah, but he was a fascist, which is the polar opposite of communism, and communism is what the Bolsheviks were. And we know that that was overwhelmingly a jewish operation. And even the jews say it themselves basically that:

 

“Judaism is communism and communism is Judaism.”

 

So that’s one and the same thing. So we could just call it what it is.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Right. And so here we do have this name calling, and yet it is actually a compliment if you believe in God, if you believe in the sacredness of family, if you believe in individuality, if you believe in free market enterprise, if you believe in the right to own property.

 

So why would someone be hurling the word “fascist” against someone with spit and venom, when in fact it’s really an accolade? It’s such a positive characteristic!

 

And if you look too this has been going on for so long, and fascism originated from my reading in Italy. And Ezra Pound, who most people will know and will be very familiar with his Cantos and his famous poem on usury, Usura. He was an American poet and he had many protege. He had T.S. Eliot and Ernest Hemingway. And my mind goes blank on the others, but there were four Pulitzer Prize winners, and he was never awarded that Pulitzer Prize himself.

 

But he went to Italy, and during the wars, he was doing broadcasting, exposing the communist spread that was taking place in the Soviet Union as a result of the Bolshevik Revolution that hit in October 1917. And after the war, he was imprisoned by the US military and was kept in an iron cage. And then he was declared insane and put in St. Elizabeth’s Hospital in Washington, D.C. Where he wrote his most famous work, the Cantos. And finally he was released through the help of his friends. One was Ernest Hemingway. But we see how demonized, how threatening words are.

 

And so if you can take a word and twist it, turn it upside down, flip it, the flipside, right? And if people don’t do the deep dive and really look at, well, what does that word mean, then they become under the spell, that grimoire.

 

And so it’s our responsibility to pull apart everything that is being used against us so that we can shine light on it and walk proudly, knowing that with fascist beliefs, we are honorable people with integrity.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Well said, Kathleen. That is so well said!

 

In fact, from now on, when somebody throws that word around, going to say:

 

“Thank you, I’m a fascist. That’s a wonderful thing to be!”

 

And then if it’s people who are throwing that word around unknowingly or ignorant of the meaning of it. Because like I said earlier, even people who understand the truth about the “Covidocaust” or about the “Holocaust”, they understand they’re kind of most of the way there in terms of waking up to many of the lies around us.

 

I mean, I suppose we’re always learning more and more, but they will still bandy about that word. And to them, that would be very effective, especially to them, because it will stop them in their tracks:

 

“Say what? What do you mean?”

 

And then it gives us the opportunity to explain this word in the shortest form, you say:

 

“Well, it’s the opposite of communism.”

 

And then we can expand on that and wow, that was a wonderful explanation. Yeah, really good!

 

And I just want to say before the bottom of the hour, and I should have done this at the top of the hour when we began, but I really was just coming off of the previous hour with Frederick C. Blackburn on his Saturday Snack Shack.

 

And I encourage listeners, if you don’t already tune into his show, you really should because it’s just such a great show and you can always find it in the archives.

 

So I was a little bit, not completely my brain was still sort of wired on that. But I just wanted to say, Kathleen, a little bit of background on my friend Kathleen. She’s a poet, a singer, a healer, musician with, I think, several instruments, a writer. And you have many talents and skills that I think you should name a few more because I think I only just touched on those things. But the healing really intrigues me. You have a lot of knowledge on healing ourselves, and that is a very, very wonderful and important skill to have. And maybe you can share with people where they can find you if they are seeking healing help, for instance, because I know that you do this as your work.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, thank you, Monika. Yes, I’m a reflexologist. I’ve also studied homeopathy and a lot of herbs and nutrition. And I have a website, it’s katdudley, KATDUDLEY dot com, and you can find me there.

 

And I’m also a builder of steps and, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Construction, we’re talking about?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes. And carports. And I love to build as well, so I have a strong intellectual draw, but I love the physical as well. I’m spreading large rock at the moment and rebuilding rock walls, so it helps keep me spry. [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s wonderful! [chuckling] Yeah. It actually just was so much fun for me to see the things you are building. And I’m thinking:

 

“Wow, that’s really very nice that you just take this on, you learn how to do it and you obviously must have acquired a few tools and just go at it!”

 

That’s great!

 

Kathleen Dudley: Thank you. Before we go to the break, I wanted to mention one thing that Adrian Arcand said in his, in that interview. He said:

 

“He said there is no anti-semitism. It never existed! He said it is a natural reaction against an assault of anti-gentilism which is non-jewish.”

 

He said:

 

“It’s a jewish conspiracy because I read it from jewish authors!”

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s great! [chuckling] That’s beautiful, Kathleen. Okay, hold on everybody. And we’ll be back in a few minutes.

 

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Monika Schaefer: All right, I’d like to welcome you all back to The Flipside with Monika. And I would like to first of all, give out the numbers. We invite people to call in the second half of the hour.

 

So the number you can call in is 512-248-8252. That’s 512-248-8252 or 1-800-313-9443. We invite you to join our conversation with Kathleen Dudley and myself. And I’d also like to remind you that if you have the means, if you can possibly support this network because it is listener supported and some older equipment, I know that they’re looking to replace some of their older equipment.

 

But anyway, during the break, Kathleen and I were kind of laughing about the fact that she had asked me to have a guest that would explain these words, “fascism” and some of these other words.

 

And I said to her, well, careful what you wish for, [chuckling] because here she is and she’s doing a marvelous job of explaining the fascism and fascist, the whole concept of that.

 

So, okay, Kathleen, why don’t we carry on with that discussion? And we had mentioned that there are some other words as well that we could go into that perhaps people don’t have really the best understanding of well, one word that came to mind right at the beginning that you mentioned already was “Nazi” and we know there’s a history of that. It was actually a jew who put that word into the lexicon to denigrate the National Socialists. Do you want to talk about that a little bit?

 

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Kathleen Dudley: Well, I haven’t done the deep dive on that.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

 

Kathleen Dudley: But one of the things that I found very interesting from Adrian Arcand was that he said that the term “fascism”, when it arose in the 1920s in Italy, the word “Nazism” arose in Germany, but that that had to do with Nazi-lism Nazi-nationalism, and that it was really about nationalistic perspectives expressing strong identification with one’s own nation and vigorous support for its interest. So I was quite surprised by that.

 

And then also in Spain, there was another term using their Spanish language, which I don’t recall. So that’s really all I can contribute at this moment.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay. No, but that’s even just that about the Nazi-lism with the “l” in there. So nationalism. And that is that word that the Bolsheviks, the jews, they don’t like that concept of nationalism. And that would be like fascism. That would be so that’s why those words are so demonized! And anybody that does anything bad these days is called a Nazi, or a fascist. That’s why those terms are so demonized!

 

But you know that this is something that I am very, very interested in and have talked quite a lot about. My brother Alfred talks about it a lot, is our language and how our language has been so turned against us to compartmentalize our brains, to stop us from thinking straight, to frighten people, to make people think:

 

“Oh, we can’t talk about that. And we can’t talk about this!”

 

And make people scared to say anything anymore. And that’s all it is, really.

 

And so if we can take these words, first of all, to clarify in our heads that they are just weaponized words, and in most cases, they actually have been turned upside down to mean the opposite. Like you illustrated so well with the word fascist.

 

And then, you know, run with it. When somebody calls you something bad like this, say:

 

“Thank you. Thank you for noticing!”

 

It’s surprising how quickly it takes the wind out of their sails. You know, if somebody says:

 

“Oh, you’re an anti-semite!”

 

“Oh, thank you. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, you should be too!”

 

Something like that. [chuckling] Right? So it’s what we do with these epithets thrown at us that we can kind of change the discourse. What do you think about that?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, and people don’t even know that Semites are Arabs.

 

And so when you say you’re anti-semitic, you’re against the Arabs, well, that doesn’t even make sense because we’re talking about the jews and we’re talking about the Sephardic jews, and we’re talking about the Khazarian jews. We’re talking about. We’re not even talking about the biblical jews because the Hebrews, the descendants of that is so minuscule today.

 

And so the jews that have evolved to today have moved into countries, have moved into religions, have moved into businesses. They’ve basically taken on the sheep’s clothing that the wolf is wearing. And it’s been done slyly, very cleverly. And so everything has been done with duplicity. And that’s what we’re finding as we unbury the garbled of these words, the grimoire, the confusion.

 

And so once we find the truth in all of that, then we can shine the light on it. And that is what the rats in the center of the room don’t want. They’ll scurry to the edges.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, they will.

 

Now, Kathleen, there is something else that you have been doing over the last few months. I think you’ve been doing a lot of reading, and once you started, you just couldn’t get enough. Why don’t you tell us a little bit. What got you started in this direction? I won’t mention. I’ll let you talk about what have you been getting into so deeply reading, reading, reading lately? Tell us, please.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Okay. Well, I’ve always been a reader, but in January of 2023, I did a deep dive on 19th century and, 20th century writers, which introduced me to Ezra Pound and all of his contemporaries, T.S. Eliot, Robert Frost. And then there were quotes by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in that. And I was in the courts at that time.

 

 

And so there was tremendous angst and tremendous pressure and assault. And I needed a place to be able to go for truth and for some sense of a spiritual lift. And I was talking to a friend and he had been reading The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

 

And I thought:

 

“Okay, it’s time for me to read him.”

 

I remember when he was exiled from the Soviet Union, and it’s time, it’s just time. And there are three volumes of the Gulag Archipelago, and I started diving into them.

 

Now, at that time, I was being threatened with imprisonment. And so I was trying to figure out how this arrest was going to go. And curiously, the first chapter in the first volume of The Gulag Archipelago is called The Arrest. And it was as many a hundred different ways to skin a cat. You know, they came at night. It was always secretively done. Innocent people were taken and they were shipped off to Gulags, they were shipped off to prisons in Siberia. They were separated from family, and the rest of the citizens didn’t know or at various times, and they were threatened and they kept silent. And this went on and on. It went on as a result of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. And now Solzhenitsyn was born in 1918, so it was even a year after the revolution. But he was raised in this communist milieu.

 

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Now, his mother was of the Christian Orthodox faith, and his father had been killed when he was in the army. And so he was raised by his mother, and his mother wanted to raise him with Christian values. So he was taught the Russian Orthodox Christianity.

 

But he became a communist because that was just the way he was programed, along with all of his peers. And he was a writer just by nature, and wanted to be a writer. He knew he wanted to be a writer from the time he was about was very young, but I think about seven years old. He was in the army and he was corresponding with one of his compatriots, and his letter was intercepted and he was thrown into the Gulag under Stalin for speaking against Stalin’s concepts. And he was there for eight years, and then later he was exiled for three years.

 

And what he did during that time was he observed and he wrote. He was a real man of spiritual life, and he loved humanity, he loved the people, and he loved the Russian people.

 

And so he managed to develop his memory to such a degree that he memorized everything he wrote, and he memorized everything that other people told him, including writers, verbatim. He could quote them. And he had to store all this in his mind. And he did that whole time, the eight years that he was imprisoned.

 

And he was one of the very first to expose all of the atrocities of the Soviet Union’s repressive system and that they had been secretly perpetrating against their people. It was upwards of 100 million Christian Russians were murdered under Lenin and Stalin and even Khrushchev, even though that was considered the thaw. But he was then also removed because he was lessening his rule too much.

 

So Solzhenitsyn wrote these amazing books, his first one that they allowed to be published, because under Communist rule, under these repressive rulings, the censorship doesn’t want anything to move out into another country so that anyone can know what the atrocities are, what is going on. But because Khrushchev did this thaw, he allowed the book called One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich in 1962. And it was the first time a household could sit around the table and read about what had been going on to their people and how they’d been sent to the prisons and how they’ve been tortured and how they’ve been murdered, had they been pulled out of society and destroyed.

 

And this was it was allowed because Khrushchev thought that this was something that Solzhenitsyn was writing about, about Stalin and Lenin and didn’t realize that it also was being written about him. And it was also under Khrushchev that he was exonerated for his crimes, that he didn’t commit any crimes, but he was still exonerated.

 

 

And then he was writing the book called The Gulag Archipelago. And that book was a real deep dive. It’s the one that I read the three volumes of all of the tortures and all of the horrors of the Russian people.

 

And he had to pass it around on pieces of paper and on transcripts because he was constantly being followed. And it couldn’t get into the authorities hands or he would have been killed. But it did slip into the authorities hands through the secretary. And she was tortured and she ultimately committed suicide because she felt so responsible for the fact that she was the one that allowed the authorities to get this document.

 

And so he managed to get it out of the Soviet Union to the West. And it was published, and that was in 1973. And as a result of that publication, he was exiled from the Soviet Union.

 

And ultimately he moved to the United States in 1976, where he wrote the Red Wheel, which was the Russian Revolution of 1917 and dramatized. But this man is one of the most famous and most important Russian writers of modern time. And just his courage to be able to take the words and to honor the lives of all these people who were destroyed in the Gulags and under Stalin’s bloodbath.

 

And finally, when the Soviet Union collapsed, his wife and he regained their citizenship and in 1990, went back to Moscow, and he lived to quite an old age of 89. His wife is still alive. They have three sons. One of them, Ignat Solzhenitsyn, is a musician and a conductor who lives in the United States.

 

The other two are in the Soviet Union. But he’s known very famously for his Harvard speech. And I would highly recommend everyone going on YouTube and listening to it, because he’s warning about the dangers of the communist aggression and the weakening of the moral fiber of the West. And he says the materialism is really what has destroyed us in the West.

 

And I think if we do some reflecting, we can see how that is possible. And it is astonishing! He lived a tremendous life, and I am so grateful to him.

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s for sure. You know, interestingly enough, my brother Alfred, he was able to get these books from the prison library, The Gulag Archipelago, and he read them in prison. I was quite surprised by that they were available for him to read there. Wow! That’s such an interesting story. But I’m so surprised that when he had these books published, he was exiled for it. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t just, … Well, I suppose it would have put more attention on the books if they had just killed him. Right. Maybe they didn’t want to do that, but they didn’t want to, …

 

 

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Kathleen Dudley: He was certainly concerned that his family and he were going to be killed. So the fact that they didn’t kill him and they exiled him is probably correct, that it would have brought too much attention because the books had already been published.

 

Monika Schaefer: Right. He would have been a Martyr. It would have Martyred him, and then even more people would have read the books.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes. Yes!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. This way they just kind of put him out of the way and hope that it just nobody is much interested in them. I do have the books, and I haven’t read them yet, but you are causing me to want to read them soon. This is always my trouble. I have so many books that I want to read and to find enough time to do so.

 

But now he also wrote a book, Two Hundred Years Together. Do you know anything about that? Has it been translated into English yet?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Actually, I just received it in the mail today. And it’s the history, quote, “of the jewish problem in Russia”. And he is writing about what happened prior to the Revolution, the October 1917 Revolution, and what it was like living in Russia with the jews. Because under the czars, you know, up until Nicholas the First, they were excluded from society, and they were very limited. And when Nicholas the First allowed them in, what ended up happening is they grew. They created their capacity to build their Bolshevik Revolution, and they brought all their revolutionaries in from all over the world.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay. Thank you know, Kathleen, we do actually have a caller on the line now. So and we only have less than two minutes left, so I would like to invite Mike in Kentucky on line one. Are you there?

 

Mike: Yeah, I should have called earlier, but stop me if you’ve heard this one:

 

“We cannot Reform the Bolsheviks, but we can do our best to save them and ourselves from the consequences of their act.”

 

And that is the opening letter from E. Hewitt, Assistant Secretary, I think it’s the Ministry of Information:

 

“The Ministry can enter into no correspondence of any kind with regard to this communication, which should only be disclosed to responsible persons.”

 

And it’s a letter to the clergy asking them for their expression of belief into the allegations against Japan and Germany in order to distract the public’s attention from the doings of the Red Army. 1944. That’s in a book published in 1959 by Edward J. Rosnick called Allied Wartime Diplomacy.

 

I was going to bring that up on Blackbird9’s thing about how they killed the Russians, I mean, the general who wanted to go after Russia, Patton.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, thank you. Yeah, we just have a few seconds. Do you want to comment on any of that, Kathleen? That’s very interesting.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, I think I’ll leave that for you, Monika.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, just wait. Well, I can already hear the music, but, Mike, I really appreciate that you called in and yeah, too bad you didn’t call earlier. It sounds very interesting, what you have there, the good information. Thank you, everybody for listening and thank you, Kathleen, for giving us a great talk about fascism. And thank you, Frank, that’s the producer. And thank you most of all the listeners. Bye bye.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Thank you.

 

 

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Monika Schaefer: Greetings. Good day. Good evening.

 

Hello, everyone. It is August 17, 2024. You are tuned in to Republic Broadcasting Network, and this is your host, Monika Schaefer. And it’s episode eight of The Flipside with Monika. And before I introduce my guest I’ll just give you the numbers for calling in after the bottom of the hour, which we’ll invite people to do so after the bottom of the hour. 512-248-8252 or 1800 313 9443.

 

Okay, so today I’m going to have my brother Alfred on for the second time on this show, and I’m just reading the note here. Okay, so, great! So, Alfred, are you there? Can you hear me?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, Monika. And thanks for inviting me back on. There’s so much happening. Things are moving so fast. I’m glad we’re having this conversation again.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay. [chuckling] Yeah, I know. Last time we talked about some good stories that you had that you related to current events, which was really, really cool! The ice skating story and sailing story. And this time, we’re again, going to cover some topics that we don’t generally talk about when we’re invited onto other folks talk shows and videos and etcetera. But since we are brother and sister team here and we grew up together and have a lot of history behind us, we can talk about these things.

 

And this is a topic that we’ve discussed quite often, and that is the topic of our, perhaps you could call it “rebelliousness”, in our youth. I think that we were not alone in being somewhat rebellious. You were in particular, you were the rebel of the family. I have to say, [chuckling] of the five kids, you were the most rebellious! And just some of the influences that were in our lives and some of the things that we really bumped heads with our parents on some of the topics. I know I had some big arguments with dad about some big topics that now I see that he was right on.

 

And, yeah, so let’s get into it. We discussed a few specific items, and we could talk about were these things just organic, or were they synthetic? You know, were these influences put upon us? And we just had no idea. We were in our, you know, teenage years. And beyond and just thought:

 

“Wow, this is just the way it is. You know, we rebel [chuckling] against our parents!”

 

Alfred Schaefer: So, yeah, you know, can I say a few words? Much of the rebellion, we now realize so many years later, they were basically engineered by the (((eternal destroyer))) by making those things that our parents thought were the most normal, whether it was dress code, whether it was our style of hair, whatever it was, mocking it, making it, like, ridiculing it.

 

It’s right in line with the attempts, just more recently, of the slogans in German, it would be Oma, Oma Umweltschwein [sp], which was a slogan from the Fridays for a Future kind of movement, which tried to drive a wedge between the young people like the teenagers and younger and so forth, against their parents by calling their grandmothers absolute environmental pigs kind of thing. Environmental destroyers, Oma, Oma Umweltschwein!

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s a good one, Alfred. I didn’t actually hear about that. Yeah, an environmental pig.

 

So the grandma is using up all the resources. So grandma is bad. Well. So oh, my goodness, that’s so interesting! So in our day, when we were young, I mean, probably the thing that I remember that our parents were just so unhappy about was the music we were listening to the pop, the rock and roll music. They, especially dad, he just absolutely could not stand it! And we bought records for each other at Christmas time and whatnot, and it was good old rock and roll, and we really liked it, and they did not like it!

 

And, I mean, the music that they were playing that we would hear on Sunday mornings kind of thing, it was either classical music or, I do remember, Bavarian folk music. A lot of that. I loved that. I just love that stuff. And the classical music, I have to say, it went right into my bloodstream. I loved that, too!

 

However, I didn’t fully realize how deeply my appreciation for that was nurtured until later. Until much later, actually. Then I realized, wow, this is really deep in my blood.

 

But anyway, why don’t you talk a little bit about the pop music? Because I know that you have had since done some research about that, and you even included some information about that in some of your very educational videos that you had posted. Go ahead.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, what we were listening to back then, well, I’ll just give you an example. The Beatles, for example. I remember how they were hyped up to be, oh, the mega stars!

 

And yet now we find out that now, if I listen to some of that old Beatles music, It’s finding obnoxious, actually, quite honestly, I don’t like it.

 

And at that time, though, we thought:

 

“Oh, if we didn’t like it, we’re supposed to like it.”

 

So we began to like it because that was hyped up as the passion. Everybody was listening to it.

 

So the entire type of music came out of the Frankfurt School, where, I don’t want to go into all the details of that, but the Beatles, it turns out, were basically an absolute artificial construct imposed on us by their handlers, if you will, like the Adorno kind of thing. And whether it was the lyrics, whether it was the music, whether it was the off note, like, there wasn’t real harmony in it. It was just like anybody who, in a natural environment and you heard their music, you’d probably run away, because it was, …

 

[08:33]

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I mean, the Beatles was still very, very tame, I would say. And some of their music was actually very melodious, I thought, anyway. But I suppose I didn’t listen to all of it, or a lot of it, and that what I did here was pretty good.

 

But, you know what came later, and I’m not sure the timeline of this, if it did indeed come later, but the canyon, Laurel Canyon. I read a book not too long ago about Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon* and all the musicians that came through the canyon, Laurel Canyon, sort of a suburb of, I believe, Los Angeles area, and it was right by a military base, too, where they were doing I don’t know, some kind of secret intelligence type of stuff. I don’t remember all the details, but that was artificially constructed. All these musicians that went through there.

 

[* Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream

https:// www.goodreads.com/book/show/18617616-weird-scenes-inside-the-canyon

David McGowan, Nick Bryant (Foreword)

Laurel Canyon in the 1960s and early 1970s was a magical place where a dizzying array of musical artists congregated to create much of the music that provided the soundtrack to those turbulent times. Members of bands like the Byrds, the Doors, Buffalo Springfield, the Monkees, the Beach Boys, the Turtles, the Eagles, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, Steppenwolf, CSN, Three Dog Night and Love, along with other singer/songwriters as Joni Mitchell, Judy Collins, James Taylor and Carole King, lived together and jammed together in the bucolic community nestled in the Hollywood Hills.

But there was a dark side to that scene as well.

Many didn’t make it out alive, and many deaths remain shrouded in mystery to this day. Far more integrated into the scene than most would like to admit was a guy by the name of Charles Manson, along with his murderous entourage. Also floating about the periphery were various political operatives, up-and-coming politicians and intelligence personnel—the same sort of people who gave birth to many of the rock stars populating the canyon. And all the canyon’s colorful characters—rock stars, hippies, murderers and politicos—happily coexisted alongside a covert military installation.

Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon is the very strange, but nevertheless true story of the dark underbelly of a hippie utopia.]

 

I mean, the influences the drugs and rock and roll and free love and sex and all that stuff that came. I think the Beatles was the beginning of it, but it was relatively tame. I mean, they couldn’t start all at once with what then, you know, came a little bit later, I think. Anyway, that’s just my opinion.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yes.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m not an expert on this, but I just wanted to touch on that, because it’s something that caused a lot of strife in our home, the music.

 

I mean, I never forget. Dad was just disgusted by the music that we chose to listen to. So that was one aspect.

 

Then I want to move on to something that I had many arguments with dad about, and I think you had already left home. You’re older than me, so you had left home by this time. But it was just the beginnings of the “plea for tolerance”. That’s how it starts. The plea for tolerance for homosexuality. Okay. So I used to just think:

 

“Hmm, live and let live. Love and let love!”

 

That was kind of my own little slogan that I made up.

 

And I remember dad, he was really just so opposed to any kind of you know, tolerance for this new lifestyle that seemed to be pushed.

 

And I think a lot of the stories they brought in the mainstream media about gays being lynched and gays being, you know, hard done by this and that and happening to them, I think just like they lie to us today about events and things, they make things up. I bet you they made a lot of that up then, too, to make us feel sorry for these poor, oppressed people who just because they want to love somebody of their own sex, that others were beating them up or murdering them and whatnot. I don’t know. I’m just guessing, Alfred. But that’s something that I had arguments with dad about. Not that I had any tendencies towards homosexuality at all!

 

However, I just didn’t see the harm in it back then. But there are these five stages in this process.

 

The first is the plea for tolerance. Second is the plea for acceptance. The third is the plea for normalization. The fourth is the demand for compliance. And the fifth stage is total conquest!

 

I don’t know. Where do you think we’re at right now, Alfred, with this LGBTQ agenda?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, well, we are with the LBGTQ and XYZ agenda, the same as with all the other components of this vilific or I or rotting out, destroying our roots, our culture. And it is at this point where we have now learned and understood how this has been engineered into us. I like the five steps that you just mentioned. That’s very important to understand.

 

That’s how they do that with everything, whether it’s our accepting just everything, everything that’s gone wrong in our society now was imposed or was brought in slowly and then ramped up, increased until it was mandatory to accept that and comply with that you know, and if you have an entire population that doesn’t have any roots anymore because they’ve all been nibbled away and destroyed, then we are a mass of atomized individuals, not able to co-ordinate any kind of a resistance to our own subjugation. And that’s where we find ourselves now.

 

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Monika Schaefer: And, yeah, I find that when they start out with the like you say, it applies to many, many aspects of their demoralization of our people. And it’s a full spectrum warfare. But they always start out with, you could say, “nice packaging”. Nice packaging. The packaging sounds really good. So at that time, the packaging would have been:

 

“Hey, you know, they’re not harming anybody and they’re being discriminated against. They’re being oppressed. They’re not just being discriminated against, they’re being beat up! You know, they’re being treated badly. And we don’t want to be like that! We’re not meanies. We’re nice people, so we should just tolerate them.”

 

And so the packaging is nice. Same thing with the packaging for the feminist agenda. It’s very nice packaging. It sounds good. Like, yeah, equal opportunities for equal work or whatever, and we’re all equal. Equal! Equal! You know, this sounds reasonable, doesn’t it? Like, I mean, me as a woman, I thought:

 

“Well, that sounds okay.”

 

But not understanding, until more recently what actually the feminist agenda is. And it’s just a completely disruptive and destructive agenda! And it pits men and women against each other, rather than the natural order in which we complement each other.

 

And also the fact that we are very different from one another. That is just a natural and biological fact. But the packaging is always good.

 

And, I mean, that makes me think of the packaging of the Green Party, and I call it the “Watermelon Party”. It’s all green on the outside, but red on the inside. Very Communist Party. But, gee, I got totally sucked in by the Green Party. It sounded so good!

 

Alfred Schaefer: Let me just add a few words there, Monika. Is that a big part of them imposing this agenda on us is by packaging this deviant behavior, if you will, like, for a man to put his penis into another man’s rectum is not normal, actually. Even if throughout history, there’s always been deviants who have done that, but it’s not actually called normal behavior.

 

And yet they make us believe through the propaganda that this deviant behavior is that if we attack it or vilify it or impose sanctions on it is as if you impose sanctions on someone who has, let’s say, a broken arm or something, or is down with a flu or something like that. Or they try to package it and make us look like we’re meanies, like we’re just meanies!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

 

Alfred Schaefer: But it’s not the case. They make it impossible for us to have guidelines for proper behavior because there’s no such thing anymore as proper behavior. You can do anything you want. And beware he who tries to stop anybody from behaving any way they want. This is where we are today. That’s why we have the crumbling of our civilization as we see before our eyes now, is because we have lost our direction. We have lost our guidelines, our rules, our structure in which we used to live as a civilized state.

 

Monika Schaefer: Excellent point. Excellent points. Like we’ve lost our moral compass. There is no moral compass. It’s just all over the place. Anything goes!

 

And back to bringing it back home to dad. I mean, he was a practical man in the sense that he told us about how dreadfully unhealthy the homosexual behavior was. Like we’re talking physical health. We’re not just talking the mental deviance of it and the sickness of it, because really, you can call it a mental illness. Instead, in their propaganda, they called us sick or mentally ill. Those of us who don’t like this or don’t think that it should exist. If we’re saying that they are mentally ill. No, they’re reversing it and calling us mentally ill for doing that!

 

But no, he talked about the actual diseases that would happen because of this very abnormal, unhealthy behavior of putting the penis where it should never go. I mean, really, that is disgusting and sick!

 

So anyway, let’s get on to the next subject. And you touched on it a few minutes ago, and just “hair”. I mean, oh my goodness, did we ever have battles in our home about the boy’s hair? You and our other brother.

 

And at that time, when you were in high school, that was in the seventies, mid seventies, there were no men that even had their ears showing. Even men in business suits, you know, who were bankers or whatever at that time. It was just generally that the men’s hair was longer. But the guys in school, like you guys, I mean, you were wearing your hair way longer, like down below the neck or whatever. At least our other brother was, anyway. But tell us about your little adventure there. [chuckling]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, I remember. Okay. We used to, as you know, when I was a little boy there kind of thing, you know, grade two, three, four and so forth. My mom, of course, would give us the hair cut as German boys would have their hair done all the time in Germany.

 

And that was basically fairly short all around the ears. And then up on top you’d have a bit of longer hair, but all nice and quite short. And this, the term or the mocking that was introduced to make that absolutely impossible for a young boy to wear was:

 

“A bowl cut! Ha ha ha! He’s got a bowl cut!”

 

So a bowl cut was mocking the typical German hairstyle. And nowadays, of course, you see it a lot now when people are waking up now, they’re carrying bowl cuts which were mocked back in those days.

 

And another club or hammer that they used to have us to leave behind our traditional haircuts was the Beatles with the Beatle look. I don’t know what they, there was a name for the way they wore their hair, but that was a huge propaganda effort and succeeded very well to make the Beatles cut, where they all had their big mane of hair kind of thing. And that was a big effort there to get us completely going in a different direction. That would detach us from whatever our parents generation considered normal and that they were used to that was a big, major driving a major wedge into that part of our behavior, basically.

 

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Monika Schaefer: And it is. It’s sort of this generational divide, right? I mean, it sounds innocent enough. The length or shortness of your hair is not going to affect you in any kind of a biological way, or a health way or anything like that. But it was a big battle. It was just, it was a huge battle.

 

Now, nowadays, I don’t think the young people would really be able to have an understanding for what a big issue it was back then, because now anything goes as far as hair. You could have it shaved, you could have it long, you could have it short, like a nice cut, you could do anything now, and it’s, it doesn’t matter. But back then it was very, ah! It was just so, how would you say, just uniform, like everybody kind of was driven in one direction to have their hair a certain way.

 

Now, I want to tell a little story, if you don’t mind, Alfred, about what you did when you were, I think it was grade eleven. You were, I think, grade eleven age, [chuckling] and you came home one day and you said:

 

“Okay, mom, yeah, give me haircut!”

 

You’re sort of submitting, right? You’re going to get the short haircut.

 

Actually, you said to her:

 

“Shave it off!”

 

Well, mom refused to shave it off. She wasn’t going to do that to her boy. She was going to give you good haircuts. So she cut it short. But then you handed the shaver thing to our sister and said:

 

“Okay, you do the rest of it. You just shave it off!”

 

So she did. [chuckling] And this was at a time, like I say, you didn’t see men’s ears showing, even the guys in suits and ties. And it was just so shocking that the next morning when I woke up after a night’s sleep, I honestly had to go running to your bedroom to check if it was just a dream that I had had, because that’s how shocking it was. [chuckling] And so surprising. Like, you did nothing, see boys or men that had just shaved their head off. I mean, unless they were old men that were bald or something. [chuckling]

 

So you did that. It was kind of an act of rebellion. Funny that, eh, Alfred? That you were a little bit rebellious, [chuckling] but anyway, do you want to talk about that?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Now in hindsight, I can’t even remember what actually motivated me to do that. But, yeah, it was just general rebellion. I guess it was getting fed up with just, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. The timing of that was very close to the timing of something else that happened. And when this happened to young people, it was kind of a bad stain because you’d have a record. But you got caught, you got busted with a little bit of marijuana, you and a bunch of other people in a van, and then you got held, you got thrown into jail, and dad had been out of town, and then he got home, had not yet seen you with your shaved head.

 

And I think you also picked up a big, long, black trench coat from the salvation army place, and he had to go get you out, like on bail or something.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, correct.

 

Monika Schaefer: He had to go get you out of jail. And this must have nearly given him a heart attack! There he goes to get his son, who’s newly shaven, in a long, black trench coat, out of jail!

 

I mean, this was just the most shocking thing for our poor parents, who had to go through a lot with our rebellious years. Particularly yours! [chuckling]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. For our parents, our rebellious behavior was absolutely a shock! How could it be? Why are they misbehaving this way? And I guess I was the worst of the of us kind of thing at that point. It’s a little bit like if the parents nowadays, before they get shocked, what their kids do, I don’t know if anything can shock them anymore because of the depraved way our society has become.

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, I would say that the biggest shock now for parents, or let me turn that around. I think that when the young people come to their parents with their lover, their partner, who they want to be with, the parents are deeply, deeply relieved if it is a partner of the opposite sex.

 

So I think these days, the big shock comes for parents, perhaps. I’m thinking it would be. The big shock would be if your child is going to have a either a homosexual relationship or worse than that, tell the parents:

 

“Well, I’ve just cut off my penis or I’m going to switch into the other sex because I don’t. I was born in the wrong body!”

 

Probably that’s the perhaps nowadays, which is infinitely worse. Right?

 

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Alfred Schaefer: There are people nowadays, Monika, they really try to drive the children into taking that route, a sex change through hormonal intake and even surgical move. And then they actually have gone so far as to pressure or even sanction parents who interfere with that.

 

And yet it turns out that all these people who have the children who do that, most of them commit suicide not long after because it’s not normal for children at a certain age when they get into puberty, they get rebellious, they want to do this or that, different than, you know what is customary.

 

But when children are allowed to opt out for a sex change, you might as well give them a pistol and they can shoot themselves in the head. That is a permanent, it’s death for them in the end, because whatever is driving them to go there, nothing of that is resolved.

 

And then they think:

 

“Oh, if little girl thinks, if I’m a boy, they can design me a little penis there or something, everything’s going to be good!”

 

Nothing’s going to be good afterwards. The problems are going to be so much worse afterwards. It’s not something they can just sort of get out of this age of getting into puberty and then everything is good again. If they do a measure like that, or a boy cuts off his penis, well, he might as well go and commit suicide. This is the level that we have come to in this “everything’s okay” because nothing is okay at the point where we find ourselves today.

 

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely! Like those things now that the children, well, might be upsetting the parents about are more permanent things. And I’d like to talk about who’s driving this. Do you think this is just natural and normal that kids rebel against their parents generation? Do you think that’s just normal? I don’t think so.

 

Alfred Schaefer: It is all driven by this Frankfurt School, as they call it, you know how to subvert, how to clip the roots of the plant that you want to kill, how to chop, to nibble at the roots of the tree. As they say, a tree without roots, the slightest wind comes along and it falls over. This is what’s happened to our once great civilization. And we either re-grow our roots, we find our history, or we will be going down!

 

And we are now at a very, very critical point in this time.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that’s a very good analogy about the tree. If you cut the roots of a tree, in other words, you cut our ties to our ancestors, then you kill the tree.

 

And I do hear the music now.

 

And so we’ll see you after the break.

 

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Monika Schaefer: All right, I think I’ll bring us back in. I usually let the music go a little bit longer, but we just have so much to talk about. And, yeah, we had a good chat in the break here, and so I just wanted to carry on with that.

 

You know, we talked about the suicide rate of children who, after they’ve had their bodies mutilated, that they aren’t happy with that it’s interesting to note that we never hear about those suicides, but on the contrary, how do they get parents to go along with this sick agenda? Is they scare, they frighten the parents into saying that:

 

“Oh, if your child feels that your child has been born in the wrong body, they will commit suicide if you don’t go along with this agenda!”

 

You see? So that’s their tactics. They reverse everything.

 

Anyway and then, Alfred, you had mentioned during the break that I should bring up Laurel Canyon again.

 

One of the things we mentioned was that how many of the musicians there that were actually put together into bands were sons and daughters of military folks and military folks in high, high places like Jim Morrison of The Doors. He was the son of a very high ranking military guy. And there were many, many others. Yeah, why don’t you talk a little bit more about that?

 

Alfred Schaefer: There was a time when so many of our rock and roll heroes seemed to all die in, through overdose of drugs or something, or at age 27. And what was happening in the background, which we did not, where we were not aware of it at all at that time was people like Jim Morrison from The Doors. These people were basically at the beginning, I believe the story that I had read or understood was he didn’t consider himself a musician at all! And they said:

 

“Qu no, no! We’ll get you’ll be a star. Let us manage you. No problem!”

 

So, of course, a youngster at that age being promised to be able to use the finest studio equipment to practice, and somebody’s got a team going to make something out of him. Well, who’s not going to do it?

 

Of course the average guy will go along with it, of course. So then these guys like Jim Morrison did, you know, became a real star. I loved that. I loved The Doors back then.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, me too.

 

Alfred Schaefer: And then they start to figure out what the agenda, or ever more of the agenda behind what has made them a hero. And they start asking questions, started thinking about it, and then they become dangerous for the system.

 

And he’s not the only one who was suddenly dead at age 27, a typical age kind of thing. And I would say that is because you get them at very young age, start making them the stars that they will then become, because you’re promoting them through all your Avenues and you’re giving them lots of drill and training at this thing, rock and roll music.

 

And then they start asking too many questions, and then they become dangerous. And at 27, I guess that’s the age when you do start asking more and more questions.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Well, it did seem odd that, and I don’t remember at what age who died when, but I just remember thinking, geez, there’s so many of them that happen to die at 27.

 

And I don’t know if there was something sinister behind that or if, like you say, it just was a coincidence that that’s the age they were at. I don’t know.

 

But anyway, shall we take our first caller, Chance from West Virginia?

 

Chance: Hello, and Guten Arban to you, Schaefer kids!

 

Monika Schaefer: Guten Arban!

 

Chance: You know, I hope you don’t mind. You brought back some memories for me, too.

 

I was born in 1960, and I had the long hair then. And I listened to the rock music. Used to drive my poor daddy crazy in the late sixties and all through the seventies. Yeah, you know, another thing with the long hair, you’ll get a kick out of these stories. I’m about the age of you guys. I had really long hair as a teenager, and my daddy would say to me:

 

“Why don’t you get a haircut? You look like something straight out of Haight-Ashbury!”

 

Monika Schaefer: Out of where? Sorry.

 

Chance: Haight-Ashbury. San Francisco, during the hippie age.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

 

Chance: Yeah, but my mama had more attacks. See, my sweet mama used to say this. That’s how my daddy handled it. He was from Eastern Europe. But my mama, my mama had more tact. [chuckling] She used to say:

 

“You’re so handsome. You would look so much better with a shorter haircut!”

 

That’s [chuckling] mama for you. That’s a mama for you! You brought back those memories because they all passed on. I was the only one with the long hair and a rock and roller. My baby brother, God rest his soul, he kept his hair short. And I was a rebel of the family. Yeah, but talking about the music now, I still like classic rock. I’ll be honest with you.

 

I was born in 60, but I also like all kinds of music. The only kinds of I could listen to every. I have a ridiculous music collection, all different genres. But the only thing I can’t understand is how White people, even people close to my age, can listen to that filthy hip hop that shouts rhymes and every other word is an F word. And I say to myself:

 

“Wow! Of all the different genres of music, I could detect talent, whether it’s vocal talent, instrumental talent. I don’t care what genre it is, whether its country rock, Motown, real reggae. But with this crap, I says, all it is is rhyming, shouting rhymed words, and every other word is a vulgarity!”

 

So how could people, especially White people, actually listen to this? And it shows me the degradation that White people have as a whole, have fell to.

 

Monika Schaefer: You’re so right. Yeah.

 

Chance: I’ll be honest with you, looking back now, my entire family has passed on and but now I find myself looking at the younger folks the way I guess my daddy looked at me in a way, but for different reasons. I says, wow! Because even though, all right, some of the rock music was a little loud, but it was my thing back then. You know, I even played guitar and stuff.

 

But now they would be totally shocked hearing this rap music where every other word is. I don’t even want to mention the words. I mean, I don’t have the keenest mouth around myself, but my God, what’s in this music is, … It’s every other word!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I agree, Chance. I mean, that the some of the rap, and it’s just basic screaming and a lot of very hateful stuff in there. [chuckling] It’s just like, pretty bad.

 

And I also have to say I still listen to some rock and roll. I enjoy it. I also very much appreciate the classical music and the folk music. Folk music is just like wonderful, traditional stuff.

 

Chance: I got such a huge music collection. I have everything. I have Motown. I have rock, country, real reggae. Back Bob Marley days and Peter Tosh and easy listening, Engelbert Humperdinck, Tom Jones. You know, I listen to everything., …

 

Monika Schaefer: So, Alfred, did you want to make a comment to anything that Chance was saying?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yes. The rap music that chance is talking about, Doctor William Luther Pierce calls that the negro, basically destructive negro music.

 

But it’s not even native to the negroes. This is pure jewish imposed destruction where people can vent their hatred and primitive. It’s just primitive! It’s basically tearing everything apart.

 

Chance: It’s ghetto music, Alfred.

 

Alfred Schaefer: It’s ghetto music!

 

Chance: Yeah. Now, I moved here to West Virginia about 15 years ago from the New York metropolitan area. Okay? And I heard that up there. But when I came here, I was shocked to hear people play it on jukeboxes here, young people. And I says:

 

“Wow, I can’t believe!”

 

Not all, not as much. I mean, up in the New York area, you had the cars with the boomboxes. That was horrendous! You know, I don’t hear that here.

 

But when you go to a public place or something, you’ll hear young people, White people. And I says:

 

“Wow, I can understand this!”

 

It actually infected rural areas.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

Chance: To make matters worse, people in their fifties, some of them listen to it, and I just can’t understand. I don’t know. Now, don’t get me wrong, but more than I would have imagined when I moved here to this state.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it is. Go ahead, Alfred.

 

Alfred Schaefer: The jews know the power of media over us, over driving us to believe certain things. And this type of music has been, through advertising and stories and lies and so forth, we have been led to believe that it is somehow “cool”, somehow “modern”. You know, these are the words that they use to get us to swing us in that direction, to drive us in that direction, away from what our true, what we actually think if we didn’t have these blaring messages of this is the way we’re supposed to be. So you get White people thinking somehow that:

 

“Oh, the negroes and their way of walking and talking and behaving is somehow cool, and we are somehow uncool!”

 

So they want to imitate that what is taking us down, driving us down.

 

Chance: Yes. Now, folks, two more very quick comments. I’ve noticed, it’s shocking how vulnerable Whites can be to fads and trends, without thinking, without using their mind.

 

Now, I remember the day in the late sixties, early seventies, when White and black people both liked Motown, everything was nice. Everybody appreciated it. And Motown was mostly black, but it was great music, right? Whites and blacks both liked it. And there was anti-war songs that were being sung by White rock bands, by soul groups, by R&B groups. You don’t hear any of that now. Now you just hear a music being ghettoized rather than bringing people together. I don’t see it bringing people together. I see it ghettoizing people.

 

Monika Schaefer: Very good point you make. I do believe that it is meant to do exactly that. What you’re saying, it atomizes us.

 

Now, Chance, we do have another caller on the line, so do you have any final, brief comments before we let you go?

 

Chance: No, that’s it. Gutenaben!

 

Monika Schaefer: Gutenaben, thank you so much for your call. Thank you for your input. Okay, could we have Misty from Kansas?

 

Misty: Hello.

 

Monika Schaefer: Hi, there. You’re on the air.

 

Misty: Hi. Loving you two together. This is a great show. And I just want to say that I appreciate the your views on the experience you experienced, where you were from.

 

But, I want to say. You know what I’m saying? I like hearing y’all’s history. It’s excellent! Truth. Powerful. Okay.

 

But going back to the transgender weirdness, I have a friend that has a granddaughter, and she’s six years old. Started her first day of school in the first grade, and all of a sudden, this baby girl comes home and says:

 

“I think I’m a boy.”

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh!

 

Misty: Oh, yes. Truth.

 

Monika Schaefer: Unbelievable! In grade one.

 

Misty: Yes, ma’am. Yes, ma’am. Here in the States. And the person told me about this. And they said:

 

“Well.”

 

I said:

 

“Well, you know what happened?”

 

Well, they decided to ground the little girl for a week. Ground her because, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Keep her out of school? Is that what you mean? Like, keep her out of school?

 

Misty: No, no. She was grounded because the parents decided that’s not acceptable behavior. So my question was, why is the baby being punished?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah

 

Misty: And why ain’t you going at the school? And apparently, the child would not say where she came up with this.

 

And what I’m saying, how they do now out here in the States. They will threaten you now, if you don’t go with the program, we’ll just take your kid.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes. It’s happening in Canada, too. I hate to say it, but parents are being criminalized for going against this agenda, and it is just causing absolute havoc! And oftentimes, it’ll cause marriage break-ups because one parent will be supportive of the child, they say, you know, for the child to mutilate him or herself and the other parent is just totally against it! And they’ll criminalize that parent who is against it. And it just is causing havoc! And you just wonder, wow! How is this happening? I mean, is this just natural? Is this organic?

 

So what do you think?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Can I say something? Yeah. Thanks, Misty. That’s very important, what you have been, what you’re telling us, and that is happening all over the place. In a healthy society, a teacher in an institution that let’s something like that happen. The little six year old confused about the gender, that teacher, that the parents would go there and that teacher would be strung up on the next tree. Nobody would allow that to fly. That is absolutely! It is our obligation, our holy obligation to ensure the healthy conditioning or environment for our most vulnerable. And these are these little children. Every little child can be brought to believe or question:

 

“Oh, maybe I’m this? Maybe I’m that?”

 

And then for the authorities, so-called “authorities”, the authorities that should not be, to force us to let them do that is absolutely outrageous!

 

And I like your comment also that, well, why didn’t they go to the school and rectify the situation there instead of grounding the poor little girl? And they should have started telling the girl:

 

“No, you are a girl. And what makes you think otherwise? What is the problem?”

 

Yeah, that’s the approach that should have been taken. That needs to be taken. And I would be delighted to hear of incidents where people will go to the school and string up these people that are doing that. And forget about the fear mongering. This is what we have to start seeing now.

 

Misty: Amen. I agree 100%.

 

At the same time, I live in an area, and it doesn’t matter where you live, home-school those children! Get them out of it! Jesus! It’s not that hard.

 

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Monika Schaefer: If that’s the biggest message we could put out in this entire hour, that would be it. Take them out of the schools.

 

Misty: [words unclear] planting gardens, whatever. They don’t need to be indoctrinated!

 

And at the same time, I look at the parent and I go:

 

“Why the heck are you going to keep this child, brand new baby, into this system when she comes home with this?”

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. So, Misty, I agree with you 100%. And the trouble is, we are just so trusting. And most people have no idea how quickly the school system has degraded.

 

And, I mean, there were already these influences in our youth which we talked about on this show today, and that was just the beginnings, you know, those were the beginnings. And that was very mild in comparison to what is going on now. And it’s this induced, well, you could say this division between the children and their parents. It’s the mutilation of the children. They do these things behind the parents backs. They get the children onto these hormone therapies behind the parents backs.

 

I mean, when the Covid came out, they vaccinated children behind the parents backs at a certain age, I think age twelve or something.

 

I’ll tell you something else. Since 2022, we have legislation here in Canada making conversion therapy illegal! Now I will just explain that. It is the opposite of what it sounds like. To me, that sounds like you’re making it illegal to let people convert children or to convert somebody. Convert somebody to the opposite sex. No, it’s the opposite!

 

So if you want to coach or counsel a child who comes home from school like the one you just described, and you want to coach that child and say:

 

“No, no, no, you are a girl and this is just something that’s been put into your head. Stop that nonsense!”

 

Then you are doing the crime! And this is now a crime in Canada to actually give counseling to a child to put them right again.

 

Misty: People better just, how about. [words unclear] Don’t you agree? I’m sorry. This is a touchy subject.

 

Monika Schaefer: We just have a minute left, so please make your comments quick because then I’ll have to close out the show. Okay.

 

Misty: Well, I just appreciate you all. Thank you very much.

 

Monika Schaefer: Thank you for calling and thank you for sharing that story. It was very, very important.

 

Something I do want to say to folks. Please do support Republic Broadcasting Network. You can go to the website if you’re not already on its Republicbroadcasting.org. There is the information there for how you can support them, support the sponsors. Now if you have the means, please do that if you don’t have the means, you can always share these programs, these shows. That is another way of supporting Republic Broadcasting Network. It’s very, very important because we get accused sometimes of just preaching to the choir. Well, let’s not just preach to the choir. Share these programs. If there’s something you liked in it and other shows, then that’s what you can do. And Alfred, thanks. Do you want to say a final word while the music is going?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Thanks. And like Monika says, let’s all do our part for getting this right.

 

Monika Schaefer: All right.

 

Thank you so much for joining. It’s the middle of the night for you, and we’ll see you all next week.

 

Thank you very much. Bye bye.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Good evening and good day, everyone. It is Saturday, July 6th, in the year 2024, and the producer is working hard at there was a little technical glitch, and that’s why there’s no music. But I am sure we’ll get that going before the end of the show.

 

Yeah. My name is Monika Schaefer, and this is episode two of The Flip Side with Monika. And I am very happy to welcome my first guest on this episode, and that would be my brother, Alfred Schaefer! I’m going to give you a little bit of backstory for I’m always hoping that there are new listeners.

 

And actually, before I do that, I want to make a shout out to a couple of people. One is a shout out to Frederick, that’s aka Blackbird9 of the Saturday Snack Shack fame. Because he’s really been taking me under his wing. It was through his show just over a month ago that I even got this gig here on the Republic Broadcasting Network, and I’m just so grateful for that. And I didn’t really do a proper shout out to him last week, so I’m doing that now. Thank you so much, Frederick, for helping me out and kind of taking me under your wing. Yes, thank you!

 

And also Mer Bailey. She has a show on Sundays on the Republic Broadcasting Network. The title, which I believe is Yours Truly with Mer, I believe that’s the full title. And she did set up an account for me on Chatango.

 

So it is the Flipside W Monika.

 

So the W short for with so The Flip Side with Monika, but the just The Flipside W Monika dot chatango. Chatango.com. And that is a chat room where people can post things or ask questions or make comments, that kind of thing. It’s not very active yet over there because I’ve just begun! And I’m just hearing something in the background, but I think, yeah, we’ll carry on.

 

So I wanted to take care of those two messages of thanks to Mer for setting up that account.

 

Okay. So my brother Alfred, just briefly, we all grew up in Canada. So our parents, they immigrated from Germany to Canada in the early 1950s, and they had five children. We are all Canadian. And Alfred is the second eldest. I am the fourth in the family. So the second youngest in the family.

 

And Alfred, it turns out, reverse migrated in the eighties, in the 1980s. So he’s been living in Germany since several decades. He worked for a while in Canada, saved up enough money to do some traveling, cycling, and whatnot, and ended up staying in Germany.

 

And so that’s how it came to be that Alfred is living in Germany and I’m living in Canada, but we grew up in Canada together. And that’s kind of an important point because a lot of people have been a bit confused by that, including the judge in our trial! [chuckling]

 

Okay, so today we’d like to talk about some stories that probably Alfred hasn’t talked about on too many broadcasts before. And these are nice stories from the past, which happen to connect and tie in very nicely with the predicament that we find ourselves in now. One is a sailing story. One is a skating story. So you might wonder what this has to do with the predicament that we find ourselves in. But we’re going to get into that.

 

But before we do, I just want to say, welcome to The Flip Side with Monika! And welcome to this episode number two. And my first guest, and that is Alfred.

 

How are you today? In the wee hours of the morning, I might add, because it is the wee hours, Sunday morning for you.

 

Thank you so much for getting up so early. [chuckling]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Okay. Yeah. Thanks, Monika, for, first of all, for hosting the show and having me on your show. Yeah. It’s 02:00 am in the morning for me now, but that’s not a problem. This is a 24 hours job for us now to get this right. [chuckling] What’s going on in the world.

 

Yeah. There’s an event that happened to when I was quite new in Germany, actually.

 

You know, I think it might have been 1985 or something like that. I don’t remember the exact year.

 

Monika Schaefer: Are we talking about the sailing event, Alfred?

 

Alfred Schaefer: No, the ice!

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay. If you want to start with that’s fine, because that was what then you, … I was going to give a little bit more backstory for why that is important right now.

 

But, yeah, let’s go with that.

 

Basically, in the trial, which took place in 2018. And this was a trial in Germany for us, both Alfred and myself. And it just had to do with, you know, Paragraph 130. And that’s the so-called, “Holocaust Denial Law”.

 

But anyway, Alfred did speak for about a day and a half. The German system, justice system, whatever else you might say about it, though, the one thing remaining that is still good about it is that they do give the accused “the last word”. And you can talk for as long as you want, as long as it is relevant to whatever it is that the charges are against you. And if they, the judge might question on that. Well, if you can demonstrate how it is relevant, then you carry on talking.

 

And so Alfred did talk for a day and a half at that trial. And he basically wove the whole thing into this tapestry of this story that he’s going to tell you about in a moment. And that is this ice skating story. And the judge did actually question Alfred, like:

 

“How is this relevant, and how is that relevant?”

 

And always you were able to bring it back to how it is relevant. And I was actually really moved by that, how you wove this tapestry together with this story.

 

So with that bit of an introduction to that story, please go ahead and tell what happened there back in, when was it, in the 1980s, when you were pretty new over there? Okay.

 

[08:42]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Correct. Yeah. Thanks, Monika, for bringing this additional information. Yeah, this is a story, I find it such a coincidence that this story happened to me. Because it’s helped me so much in helping to understand what’s at stake for us now, basically.

 

So I’ll just go into the story.

 

It was in the wintertime, obviously, and Ammersee, which is the lake where I was living at the time, is here near Munich. It had frozen over, which doesn’t happen very often, maybe once every ten years or so. and a snowstorm was set to come in. So I say:

 

“Well, I’ve got to skate across this lake one last time.”

 

Because it was just so beautiful, so wonderful! The pure, clear ice. And coming from Canada, of course, young people in Canada generally all skate.

 

So, anyway, I take off with my skates, go from the Herrsching to the other side in Diessen, it’s probably, I think, maybe 25 minutes or something to cross. I don’t even remember exactly how long it took.

 

But as I was going across, the snow was starting to set in stronger and stronger. And I get to the other side. There was some ice hockey players there and so forth.

 

So I just basically touched the other shore and headed back. And the snowstorm was increasing rapidly. Until the vision was basically like in a fog. I couldn’t see much at all anymore, but I could still maintain direction. That wasn’t the problem. Then suddenly I saw this. It looked like a seal laying on the ice. And I said:

 

“What the hell is that? A seal on the ice?”

 

So I went in that direction. And then suddenly, an arm! The seal raised an arm, and I could hear a help cry:

 

“Hilfe! Hilfe!”

 

And I said:

 

“Holy smokes. What’s this here? There’s a guy laying there on the ice. What’s he doing there?”

 

And then I reduced my speed, because I was skating, I reduced my speed. And then I heard the ice starting to make cracking sounds underneath my feet. So I instantly go down on all fours to spread my weight a little bit. And I started communicating with him, and I asked him:

 

“Hey, what’s wrong? What’s the problem?”

 

And he says:

 

“Well, I broke in. I broke in!”

 

But he wasn’t in the ice. He was laying on top of the ice.

 

And then through this continuing dialogue, he told me, yeah, he had broken in, and he managed to crawl out onto the ice, which is a major feat! Normally when somebody breaks into the ice and doesn’t have a pick or something as some kind of a tool to pick his way out of the ice.

 

Monika Schaefer: Like to anchor.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, like an anchor, right. It’s very hard, and very few people could do it. But this guy was obviously very athletic. He was fairly young, you know, healthy, athletic. And he managed to pull himself out of the ice. He wasn’t on skates. He was walking on foot. But he had these, at that time, these Walkmans were kind of in mode kind of thing, and he wasn’t paying attention to the sounds around him. And he broke in.

 

But he did manage to get out, and here he was. Had managed to get himself out of the life threatening situation that he had suddenly found himself in, namely, broken through the ice. Managed to get out, and then he started to. He was shocked, I guess it was, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Hypothermic, you could say. He must have been hypothermic. And you don’t think clearly anymore.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Exactly! Exactly! That’s exactly what happened. Hypothermia was setting in, and he thought it was more important to get his hands warmed up than to just start moving and get away from the hole where he had broken into.

 

And so I says:

 

“Hey, well, come on, come to me. I cannot come to you! You’ve got to move. Crawl! Crawl on all fours towards me, or on your belly. Crawl over to me. I cannot come to you!”

 

And of course, that was way before we had cell phones or anything like that.

 

And for me to go and get help would have been also his end, because the snow was setting in, and it was a pure coincidence that I happened to see him on my way back across the lake.

 

If I would have left him to go get help, we’d never find him again. And time is life or death in a situation like this.

 

And no matter how much I tried to convince him:

 

“Hey, your hands are not important. Just start moving towards me!”

 

He refused! He just says:

 

“No, I have to warm my hands. My hands are cold!”

 

And he’s laying on his belly there, rubbing his hands, thinking that’s important. His mind had., … It was like he did not understand! He could not reason anymore. And no matter how much I screamed at him, his hands were more important. And he just laid there.

 

And finally I got more fierce and more ferocious until he finally, I guess, finally I did make an impression on him. And after considerable screaming and yelling and insulting him and whatnot, he did start crawling towards me.

 

[14:24]

 

Now, all this yelling and screaming was not because I was angry with him. No! It was simply because I understood. Growing up in Canada, one learns the effects of hypothermia, and why when you’re getting cold and you’re hiking or something, you are not supposed to sit down and think, you can rest. You have to keep moving until you can actually find something where you can to warm up somehow. Because what if you sit down in the snow because you’re tired, that’s the last time you ever sit down, and you will die in that position.

 

And this guy was in a found himself in a position where he had actually managed to get with his own self, get himself out of the water.

 

And yet the hypothermia put him in a state of mind where he did not understand the next steps that he needs to follow through with to ensure that he survived.

 

And this is very much akin to what we collectively find ourselves in today in our world with what’s going on in our indoctrinated state of mind! We have been indoctrinated all our lives to the point where now the zombies, if you will, who still, who believe these lies, they are no longer capable of making the decisions that will save their lives!

 

And I mean, like fear from Corona snakes and getting a bioweapon vaccine, I mean, how many people has that already killed? And how many people will be dying and are dying every single day now because they listen to this nonsense and allowed themselves to be injected with a bio weapon.

 

Monika Schaefer: So Alfred, yeah, that’s fantastic!

 

And just before you carry on with that the analogy to today’s zombies basically not making the right decisions for their lives. I’m sure that the listeners are very curious how it actually ended with this guy. [chuckling] You just got to complete the story!

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Okay.

 

Fnally, he was more afraid of my screaming at him than he was concerned about his poor cold hands. [chuckling] And he did start moving towards me. And then finally, as soon as he made his first little move, I was just elated:

 

“Okay, he’s coming! He’s coming!”

 

So I kept yelling and yelling and yelling until he got close enough to me. And then we backed away from the area where he was. And then I got up, and I helped him get on his feet, and then I walked with him. I was on my skates. He was just on his feet. And we headed towards the shore where these ice hockey skaters were.

 

After his first steps, he could see, he’s getting better. He’s getting better. He can do this! We’re going to make it!

 

And then when I got in sight of the shore, I say:

 

“Okay, you see those people over there? I’m going to go over there and tell them that you are on the way to join them. You need to get into a warm place and so forth.”

 

So I scooted ahead, told those people:

 

“You see that guy out there? He’s coming in your direction. He was in the ice. He needs help. He has to go into a warm place.”

 

He was saved with them.

 

Monika Schaefer: The reason you did that. I know that you had told us at the time it was getting dark. You needed to get yourself back across the ice, and the snowstorm was just getting bigger and bigger. Isn’t that the way it was, Alfred?

 

[Image: Monika skating safely in Canada]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Yes. And my whole concern there was this, because the snow was just getting more and more intense. I wanted to get myself back to the other shore. And seldom in my life did I feel such intense fear! Every time there was any kind of sounds that were like. Because this was this was in my bones now!

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah!

 

Alfred Schaefer: Like, I just strided back to the other side, …

 

Monika Schaefer: And to avoid that fall. And here you are in the snowstorm. I can imagine that would have been spooky. And I do know from a lot of experience of ice skating on lakes, I call it “wild skating”. It’s one of my passions. I just love it! And I seek every opportunity to do. So but if somebody hasn’t done this before, and if they’re with me, they freak out at every little “ping, pong”. You know, you hear these sounds when the ice is making sort of these distance, distant, like, cracks form. That’s just a natural thing, even if the ice is thick. And there’s these “pings”! You know, and it’s a lot of fun, but in your state there. Yes. And it’s getting dark. I can only hardly imagine, actually, how frightening that would have been. Carry on. Thank you.

 

[Image: Monika avoiding becoming a seal, …]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, but this experience of having., … But just the only thing I physically did for this man who had broken in the ice was “words”. Yelling at him! Screaming at him! I did nothing else for him. He did it all for himself. And that’s what we have to do now. We have to reach our people who are just refusing to open their eyes! Refusing to want to grasp what is going on, but they do need to be reached!

 

And then, with their own strength, with their own resolve and power, we will save ourselves from this death matrix under which we are presently suffocating!

 

And, I mean, I noticed you and I, Monika, we were indoctrinated just like everybody else was.

 

Monika Schaefer: Certainly were! [chuckling]

 

Alfred Schaefer: And we’ve come out of it, and coming out was a very traumatizing process.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yeah!

 

[20:13]

 

Alfred Schaefer: And these people who have not yet made the first step, they will all be needing incredible help and care when they do come out of this matrix. Because you change in your entire being once you detoxify, you know, decontaminate yourself from these horrible poisons, these toxins of these lies!

 

And that’s the process we’re seeing now in full steam, in full force. It’s really going fast now.

 

But this experience proved to me that it is possible. And without that, having had that experience, I don’t know if I would have had the perseverance to keep going in the struggle that we’re in now. But having experienced that, I know it is possible. It is possible!

 

And I’m seeing signs of every time I meet somebody who understands everything, I’m just elated because:

 

“There’s another one! Another one who understands!”

 

And so forth. And now our numbers are growing very rapidly, Monika.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s fantastic! And I will just reiterate how you wove that into your “last word” as you were basically discussing our situation that we find ourselves and always bringing it back to that. And, it’s related also to this old saying about “don’t shoot the messenger”. You know, in this case, yeah, you had to really scream and yell at that guy. And you finally did get through to him in spite of his hypothermic state of mind and just how you must have just really had to scream and probably use some words that we can’t repeat on the radio here today, to just get through.

 

And then he did save his life with his own effort. Well, you did save his life. You really did! Because like you said earlier, I mean, if you hadn’t have just happened to come along, he would have sunk deeper into that hypothermic state. And when a person does go into that state, they actually do enter a pleasant state where they hallucinate.

 

I mean, there are lots of people who have, you know, been rescued from the hypothermic state where they will tell afterwards:

 

“Yeah, they were enjoying themselves!”

 

And people who are in a snowbank at 30 below, they’ll take off their jacket and mitts because they’re feeling really warm and toasty and enjoying themselves!

 

But that also compares to our current state, doesn’t it, Alfred? Because people are just going around just thinking everything is tickety boo. Perhaps some of the members of our own family are in that category. [chuckling] We don’t have to mention their names or anything. But yeah, but yet, okay, … When we’re bringing our message! Yeah, that’s what we’re trying to do, is rattle people awake. And go ahead. You have something you want to add to that?

 

Alfred Schaefer: What I had mentioned a few times during our court trial was that this is as if that guy who I had saved, whose life I had saved, just by screaming at him about getting him to understand the reality, as if he would come to me now, years later, and accuse me of not being polite enough!:

 

“Oh, you weren’t nice enough. You weren’t politically correct enough. You called me bad names and you hurt my feelings with those bad names.”

 

This is a life and death struggle that we are in. And everybody will, at some point in time, many will know it as they die:

 

“Oh. Oh! That was a mistake!”

 

But others are waking up. More and more are waking up. And this isn’t about being nice and being polite and so forth. This is about flying a flight path, or a course that where we don’t crash into the mountain, kind of thing. It should never have come to this point as we find ourselves now. That’s how it is.

 

And thank God, Monika! Thank God, that we are now seeing in this death matrix the typical last phase is when they make laws against naming the problem! And that’s always the last state, because then they just go into a panic kind of thing. And that’s what we’re seeing these days.

 

So now is a good time for everybody just to understand what’s going on and go full force! Completely ignoring any blots of toner or laws that they may have, telling us what we are allowed to say and not allowed to say. These people have no right to tell us what we are not allowed to say, as they are trying to kill us!

 

Monika Schaefer: Exactly! Exactly! If anybody thinks that they even have the right, or who would even dream of thinking that they can make a law to put our history into existence in a certain way. Does that even make sense? Or making a law that you’re not allowed to dislike a certain group of people or name a certain group of people, or just point out simple facts about that certain group of people? Well, if they need to make laws against that, then we know that there’s a problem with that certain group of people! It just is so obvious!

 

And I guess, we just have to carry on trying to wake people up to these very simple things! I do have a hard time sometimes to fathom that it is not becoming quite apparent to everybody. But the spell, the spell is so deep and so big that has been cast on our people and through words. Through word magic, really, even just the word “spell”, that also means to spell a word, like spelling. You know, we all participated in spelling bees in grade school, so to spell a word, but it also means this thing that is like casting a spell, like magic! Isn’t that interesting? Oh, there’s so many words when you study the language and how they have these multiple meanings, that they actually tell us things.

 

[26:32]

 

And while I’m thinking of this word magic, here’s an interesting one. It’s different from our topics here, Alfred, but I just am thinking of it, so I’m going to throw it out there. Think of the word “Aboriginal”, because lately I’ve been talking and thinking a lot about in Canada we’ve got this, these stories being concocted about the graves and mass graves and whatnot. And it’s very similar to the stories they concocted about World War Two and the so-called “Holocaust”.

 

And we’re getting our own “holocaust” set being set up right now as I speak. But think of the word “Aboriginal”. This is how they call the indigenous peoples of North America. Also in Australia, I know they use the word Aboriginal. Okay, think of the word “normal” and “abnormal”. Now think of the word “original” and “Aboriginal”. I’ll leave it at that they tell us things with the words! A dear friend of mine just pointed that out to me, so a shout out to him.

 

Okay, so, Alfred, there is another story that I would like you to tell the listeners, and that is when you were, … You had done quite a few sailing trips, and you could give a little bit of background about that beautiful old schooner that you had the privilege of getting onto. And I know we’re coming close to the bottom of the hour, and I’m not sure if the producer has sorted out the music.

 

[Image: Alfred pondering rudder design, …]

 

So if we hear that break well, … We’ve got a couple of minutes so we can get the story started and then continue after the break. But tell a little bit of background about the schooner, because I think that’s such a neat story.

 

And then about your sailing trip and where you found yourself in the middle of the Atlantic without a rudder [chuckling] and what happened next.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Before I start that story, I just want to say thank you for talking about this spell that we are under.

Red Ice Radio: Nicholas Kollerstrom — TRANSCRIPT

 

And I remember Nick Kollerstrom, and he had written that book, Breaking the Spell, and it was about the Holocaust, the “hollow hoax”. And I find that’s a very good way of looking at these things because it is a spell! It’s a spell like somebody has a magic wand and can get you paralyzed with that with abracadabra! Saying a few words and down you’re on your knees. That’s what these things are like, the Holocaust spell.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

 

Alfred Schaefer: And setting up these. And teaching our children these things in schools. That is actually a “mind rape”, is what that is.

 

Monika Schaefer: It is.

 

Alfred Schaefer: And it’s an absolute mind rape.

 

Monika Schaefer: And back to your skating. And the guy who pulled himself out of the ice water there, the hypothermic state that he was in, it’s a different kind of a mind. It’s not a spell, but it put him also into a state of mind where he could not think clearly.

 

So that was a very, very good analogy and a good story.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. It’s like an anesthesia to the mind. It’s like a lobotomy. You are these people. It’s like a runner who has a broken leg. He cannot run as he could if his legs were healthy.

 

Monika Schaefer: Whoops! I think we’re up at the break now.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Okay. We’re into the break.

 

Monika Schaefer: Without the music! We’ll get that sorted out for next week because we did have bumper music. Nice, classic music. But okay, here we go.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Here we go. Okay.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, good. There it is.

 

[music break]

 

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[37:28]

 

Monika Schaefer: Welcome back to The Flip Side with Monika. And thank you so much, Mr Producer, for getting that music going. That is just such a beautiful piece.

 

So, Alfred, before you get into this sailing story, we had another very short story, but it gives me the opportunity to highlight and mention and give a shout out to the absolutely critical and fantastic work that Professor Robert Faurisson did over the course of about four decades. He worked incredibly hard at putting, pulling together, investigating evidence, actual physical evidence, topographical evidence, documentary evidence, all these different kinds of evidence at Auschwitz, predominantly, I think, and to basically refute the mainstream story that we’ve been told about what happened at Auschwitz.

 

But anyway, I missed out on the great pleasure of meeting him. I never met him in person. But you did, Alfred.

 

So why don’t you just share this little short story? Because it does demonstrate that in all the serious, … And he was a man who was. What did he say? Something about “attention to details”. He said it a little bit differently. Maybe you remember exactly the words he used. Always attention to details.

 

But he also had a wonderful sense of humor, I think, because this story kind of does show that. Go ahead, Alfred.

 

 

Jim Rizoli Interviews Prof Robert Faurisson, Oct 2015 — TRANSCRIPT

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, yeah. That was a Professor Robert Faurisson. And the amazing thing is that he persevered for so many, like so early on he understood somehow where these lies were heading, where in our minds they were just, we didn’t even take them seriously. But he knew. No, no, this has to be taken seriously. And he was completely and totally uncompromising when it’s came to the details of the truth! You know, no compromising on that. And he always said:

 

“With the Holocaust, you’ve got to start with the gas. And there was no gas for any human beings! For like, that was a complete fabrication and absolute total fabrication!”

 

And so forth.

 

Of course we know that.

 

But anyway, I want to tell you, I was so lucky, so fortunate to be in a little group that went and visited him in Vichy on his 88th birthday in France there. And there’s quite a number of people there.

 

And when I got to sort of in the line to shake his hand and say hello to him, he was sitting in his chair there. And I says:

 

“Yeah, hi, I’m Alfred Schaefer.”

 

He looks up at me, says:

 

“Who’s Alfred Schaefer? I don’t know Alfred Schaefer.”

 

And I [chuckling] said:

 

“Well, I’m Monika’s brother.”

 

And with my arm, I pretended I was holding a violin and, like, playing a violin. And he instantly recognized who I’m talking about! And he jumped up from his chair and just gave me a huge hug! Like a real bear hug. A big hug! And he says:

 

“This hug is not for you! It’s for your sister Monika! I give this hug to your sister, Monika!”

 

And of course, I’ll never forget that. So I gave you that hug back several times.

 

Monika Schaefer: It was in court. In court! It actually in the courtroom is where you passed on. No?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Oh, yeah. There. Yeah. Yes, it was!

 

Monika Schaefer: Because this birthday party, I think it took place while I was in prison [chuckling] or somewhere around that time. No? But I think you’re exaggerating that he did know who you were. And you’re very humble, Alfred, to tell it as if he didn’t know who you were. [chuckling] Because it’s not how I heard it last time. I think he jumped up and just gave you the hug and then said:

 

“It was not for you, but for your sister!”

 

But anyway, you’re being very humble there that to say he didn’t know you, [chuckling] but I wasn’t there, so maybe that’s how it went. [chuckling]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Because it’s like he meets a lot of people and so he can’t know everybody.

 

But then at that time, Monika, that piece

, Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust. It really hit a chord! It was unique! We never had anything like that before. And that’s a what brought this enthusiasm and joy to people was to see such a simple message, and it just sticks in their minds.

 

Basically. This five minute video, Monika, undid hundreds of millions of dollars worth of indoctrination that they had spent and invested to get us believing all this utter nonsense! It was so powerful, Monika! So innocent and so beautiful! So that was a piece of history! So that’s, you know. Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, that’s real nice. Thanks, Alfred.

 

Okay, so let’s get on to the sailing story. Tell us about that!

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Through a chain reaction of coincidences, or whatever you want to call it. I was a crew member on an old sailing schooner, as a yacht, or whatever you want to call it was a built as a ship, an old wooden boat built in 1937, I think it was.

 

 

And the first time that we sailed this thing across the Atlantic, the North Atlantic, was in 2003. It was the Daimler Chrysler North Atlantic Challenge. And we were actually overstaffed, if you will, on this boat. Normally it’d be eight people on this boat, and we had, I think about eleven or something like that.

 

 

And anyway, the day after, our navigator said:

 

“Hey, listen, as we’re halfway from Newport, Rhode Island, Newport, halfway to Ireland, because it was going to go over the north of the UK kind of thing and so forth, halfway between Newport and Ireland and equally far to Greenland or Iceland.”

 

And that night, it was the other watch, the other shift kind of thing that was at the helm. Then the skipper went through the boat and he says:

 

“We have a rudder failure. Rudder failure!”

 

And I’ll never forget that, because we had a mechanical rudder failure, meaning that we couldn’t steer anymore with the steering wheel. And from an instant., … Oh, do we have music coming in? Okay.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’m not sure. I wasn’t thinking that we had another break. I’m thinking we keep going.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Okay, we’ll keep going, I guess.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

Alfred Schaefer: Anyway, from an instant, our entire being or existence on this ship went from getting the sails, always having the sails in perfect trim, and the course like, go, go, go! Like, it’s a race, like a regatta. It went from that mode into a mode of:

 

“Holy smokes! This is survival now!”

 

Like, we’re in danger of sinking if something happened, like, things could happen that would have us sink!

 

But this was a long keel boat, and the skipper and the people who understand this know that in a long keel boat, if you can get it pointed in the right direction and get the sail set properly, you can actually keep it on course without the rudder. You know, you can stabilize it somehow, but you don’t need it to keep your direction going.

 

And anyway, what happened, though, in this scenario, like, it took several days before we got the ship in a stabilized direction and going, you know, heading towards Ireland kind of thing. But with the people that were the loudmouths before, we thought they were the heroes and so forth and were on top of the world, there was a couple like that in that crew. And they were the ones who were the whining little wimps after this paradigm change! Which is what it is when you go from racing mode into survival mode.

 

And another group of people were the ones who would stay calm and just figure out:

 

“What do we do? What actions do we need to take?”

 

And then another group. So it was like three groups, basically.

 

Another group basically stayed below deck and stayed out of the way, were not a problem, but they just kind of went into their corners and kind of hid there.

 

Monika Schaefer: Basically stay out of the way, but not whimper and whine, …

 

Alfred Schaefer: Eaxtly!

 

Monika Schaefer: But available if needed, I guess. Right?

 

[46:38]

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, correct, correct! And my own role was basically, there was a couple guys that the skipper had hired, like professional sailors who had lots of experience and so forth. And I was neither the navigator nor was I the expert. But they always:

 

“Schaefer, come on, get up here! We’re gonna do this with that!”

 

Like, I was always there like holding stuff or doing this and doing that.

 

 

 

And this is a situation that we are facing now with this paradigm change that we are in at the beginning of right now, where we are dismantling the death matrix. And we’re going to come out of that understanding what the facts are, the truth of the matter is, and what needs to be done to reconquer our old civilization, like get control over our civilization again. This is what’s inevitable! We either do it or we die! This is one of the same situation as on that boat.

 

And those people who are now the big mouths on TV every day telling us this and telling us that, you will see them hiding. They will be hiding in the cracks! Because if anybody catches them someplace, they probably won’t survive. You know, if they walk down the street and somebody recognizes them and they happen to have a pitchfork in their hand, they’re going to get the feel the pointy end of that pitchfork real fast. I mean, it is so obnoxious what they are doing to us. And they will disappear. And the people that will be running and driving things are people that we don’t even necessarily know of, or have ever seen yet, but they will come out of this mass of people who are waking up and so forth.

 

So that’s also an experience that I had that clearly shows me what we can expect in the immediate future, if you want to call it that.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I just think it’s so interesting. I remember you describing that a few years ago when you described that scenario where, like you say, it’s a paradigm shift, complete and utter paradigm shift, from just going along racing mode, everything’s good, and then to survival mode.

 

And then these three groups that emerge from the crew that you have that nobody foresaw that, they emerge, and you get your natural. Okay, the people who step up to the plate and they just get into action. And like you say, these people in our current situation, like, sometimes people are looking for a leader, and often it’s a matter of, okay, maybe just look in the mirror. You might find one there! [chuckling] But it can be surprising where, you know how people then react or where they’re going. And like you were saying that the ones that were kind of the, I don’t know where they boasting and bragging or just loud mouth people, and they go whining and whimpering and say:

 

“Oh, we got a call for help!”

 

Or they, weren’t they the first that called for they wanted you to all do the SOS call. Right?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yes!

 

Monika Schaefer: Maybe you can continue with the story, because again, people are going to be wanting to know how it all ended! [chuckling] You didn’t crack! We know that!

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. At the end, we did make it to the Irish coast. And then when we were really close to the shore, then we radio to have a, the Coast Guard come in and tow us into this secure port because you can’t maneuver.

 

Monika Schaefer: Tell us how you did that. How did it go? Because you were rudderless and you were kind of floating like a cork, right?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, exactly! And we secured what was left of the rudder so that it would not get torn off, which could have created a hole in the Hull and then you’d have, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Well one of these fellows, the young strong guy, didn’t he kind of hang upside down and he, like, literally, … Off in the water? [chuckling] I mean, incredible, right?

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. I won’t get into all the details of how we actually did that because that’s a story for itself. But, yeah, yeah, we had a couple of very competent people there.

 

But the interesting thing was these boasters, these bragger types who:

 

“Oh, I was here! I was there!”

 

They’re always bragging about how, you know what heroes they are. And these were the ones that were just whining and telling the skipper:

 

“He’s going to do an SOS! We got to get help!”

 

And so forth.

 

But if you have an SOS call out at seat on a boat like that and those people who come to get you, also get to keep your boat, you know, these are the “laws of the sea” sort of thing! [chuckling] So we managed with our own strength, with our own ingenuity to stabilize the boat, to get it on our own power sort of thing., …

 

Monika Schaefer: Like hobble. Basically, the analogy would be to hobble in. To hobble in, …

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, correct. We crawled or hobbled into port kind of thing. Yeah, that worked out very well.

 

But it was so interesting to see how those people who portrayed themselves as being the big heroes were actually whining wimps when suddenly the narrative changed! The paradigm shift happened!

 

And we will be seeing that here, too. See, we’ve been led to believe that life consists of buying shiny, nice little toys and things and so forth. And the more shiny toys you have, the more you are seen as being a successful person.

 

And yet the death matrix under which we are now being suffocated is our absolute certain death for all of us! Life does not consist of having a thing called money to buy toys. We have to think about where this is taking us. Having no borders. Everybody who has thinks it’s nicer to be in Germany or Canada or United States than a slum in Lagos or Calcutta.

 

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Of course, we are an attractive place to go because we have everything, but that is artificial. Normally, all the stuff that we have, our infrastructure was not intended for those people who are poor in one of these teeming slums in the third world or something. We will turn into a steaming slum if this trajectory is allowed to continue. That’s what our situation is right now. Just like when our rudder failed, we had to do certain things. We did those certain things, and then we could continue our path, or we had a trajectory that took us to the coast safely. That’s what we have to do now. We have got to find a trajectory that will secure our future.

 

And right now, we are like in an airplane with a pilot who’s drunk. We’re heading to a mountain range. And if we continue on this flight path, we will all die! That’s our situation now.

 

But because people are waking up in droves, we will muster the strength and energy that we need to get this right!

 

But everybody has to understand. Just like that guy on the ice who didn’t understand his predicament, in the end, he did understand, and he did actually save himself with his own strength.

 

The only thing he got from me was screaming and shouting and orders. That’s all!

 

Monika Schaefer: You know, both of these stories actually are, they have parallels in that you know, the guy who was hypothermic, he did save himself. I mean, with your screaming and yelling obviously, but he did with his own strength, actually move.

 

And then in the sailing story, you all say you brought yourselves within reach of the shore where, yeah, I realize you just got the last bit, you got towed, but basically you were there, you hobbled in yourself. You rescued yourself. You rescued yourself!

 

So this, I think that’s really important for people to understand. Like, if people are still thinking:

 

“Oh, well, let’s vote harder and get ourselves out of the predicament!”

 

Nah! I don’t think that’s going to happen. You know, voting harder isn’t going to be the solution with this system we’ve got. No, this whole thing, it’s, …

 

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, there’s no voting our way out of this predicament! And we will come out of this predicament, but it’s going to be by rolling up our sleeves and doing what needs to be done!

 

And once we have understood what the facts are, what the reality is, and who it was who has brought us into the situation, then we will get the job done! Those people who, through treason, through utter treason and lies, brought this situation will no longer be at the helm! They will be dealt with. But they will probably find themselves behind bars, if they’re lucky, or dead, if they’re a little bit less lucky.

 

This has happened many times in history. This kind of a false trajectory, a trajectory to death. And we will, through our life, generally, does invest everything it can to rectify the situation. And what we are seeing now is a typical healing process. Any organizm, before it begins to heal, it understands what the problem is, and that is the point at which it starts to heal. After it understands! Your individual cells in your body, if you have a cut or something, it’s only after they understand your individual cells what the problem is, that they start to do the right thing to get the cut fixed kind of thing. And that’s what we’re seeing.

 

Now, we are all beginning to see what the problem is. It’s called a jew problem. You can call it that. And yet often some of our best fighters are actually jews, because they come out of this, they understand their bad instructions that are leading them to do what they do, and that makes them good people to help us get out of the situation.

 

So this is its all hands on deck right now! And we’re going to get this done, and we’re going to get it right!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, indeed! All hands on deck! And, Alfred, we’re almost out of time.

 

Actually, we’re pretty much within a minute of the top.

 

And I just want to thank you so much for those stories and for staying up so late or getting up so early, whichever way you want to look at it!

 

And I want to thank everyone for tuning in and listening. And please do support the Republic Broadcasting Network. I have heard many other hosts say that, and I am a new host here, and so I should say it, too. This is a cutting edge broadcasting, and we can tell you the truth about things. And I do hear the music coming in, and so I will say goodbye until next week. Thank you so very much. All right. Bye bye.

 

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Adam Deiulio
July 7, 18:17
What a great show thanks Monika and Alfred
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Monika
July 8, 10:54
Thank you so much for tuning in, Adam!
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Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 1 – Intro – Jun 29, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 2 – Jul 6, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 03 with Paul Fromm – Jul 13, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 08 with Alfred Schaefer – Aug 17, 2024 – Transcript

Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 15 with Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zündel – Oct 12, 2024 – Transcript

 

 

 

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merbailey
June 30, 02:16
https://theflipsidewmonika.chatango.com/
just great!
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Monika
July 1, 17:22
Thanks so much, Mer! I really appreciate that you set up that chatango name for me. I had been wondering how to do that, and there it was already done. I am grateful for your assistance and always for the work that you do.
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Edward
June 30, 02:18
Welcome to RBN Monika. I eagerly look forward to listening to all of your programmes. Greetings to Alfred.
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Monika
July 1, 17:24
Thank you so much Edward!
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David
June 30, 08:41
So glad to know that you have your own program now! A wise choice getting you on. You’re gonna make me a regular.
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kati
July 1, 00:54
Come to speakfreeradio, Monika!
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kati
July 1, 02:34
What Haverbeck said is just bogus “violence of the youth is because of living under a lie” when you look closer it is not the white native german youth the violent part but its all the Migrants, Invaders und die Türken, they are the offspring of the violence in the youth and there are enough video clips of german natives getting tortured and bullied. And the non natives sure care zero about the holo story, its not their Bier, not their worry.
And btw Justice is Recht and has nothing todo with rechts even when both words look similar for english speaker.
And the german word for fairness is Gerechtigkeit, i try not to sue english words in german when we got way more beautiful words, anglofizierung der deutschen Sprache sollte vermieden werden.
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Monika
July 1, 17:29
Hi Kati, my point was that “recht” is the root for quite a few good words in German, so I am aware that these different words have different meanings but they all are words representing something quite positive, except of course in the inverted world where they demonize “rechts”. Perhaps I didn’t make my point clearly enough, because it seems you missed it.
As for the violence and unrest among youth, you are correct that most violent acts are from the invaders, but there is plenty of unrest among the German youth too, lots of drug use and abuse too. That is something that I witnessed in jail, many of the German women were there for drug abuse, and related stuff.
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kati
July 1, 02:51
Juden are like Chameleons, they are whatever colour it needs to be or is of advantage for them, some even larp as white conservative like Elon Musk and people fall for it, when he is clearly a jew(as his mother and grandmother are of ashkenazi heritage)
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Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 1 – Intro – Jun 29, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 2 – Jul 6, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 03 with Paul Fromm – Jul 13, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 08 with Alfred Schaefer – Aug 17, 2024 – Transcript

Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 15 with Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zündel – Oct 12, 2024 – Transcript

 

 

 

 

Jim Rizoli: Hi, everyone. Jim Rizoli here in communist Massachusetts with Monika Schaefer today. Actually, I still get confused, where you’re living.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m in British Columbia, the westernmost province of Canada.

 

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so she’s in British Columbia. And today we’re going to have a nice discussion because Monika published a book! Isn’t this exciting? And so we’re going to talk about that I’m going to show you the book on the Barnes Review site, and we’re going to talk to her about how she came to the conclusion to write this book. And then I’m going to show you some other things, too, when we do a share screen. So we’ll go from there. How’s that?

 

Monika Schaefer: Perfect.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. So, Monika, let’s talk about your book that you wrote. What’s the name of your book?

 

 

Monika Schaefer: It has the same title as the video that kind of started this whole firestorm going, you could call it. It’s called “Sorry, Mom. I was Wrong about the Holocaust”.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, very good. All right, I’m going to go to the share screen right now, and I’m going to see if I can pull up the site, which I hope I can do here. Here it is here. Can you see that, Monika?

 

Monika Schaefer: I do. I see it. Yes.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so here is the book, and it’s being published by Barnes Review. All right. And that’s the cover of the book.

 

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. If you scroll down a little bit, you’ll see the rest of the cover because it doesn’t show the author on your screen.

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh, yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: There you go and then there’s a little description there. I think that’s what appears on the back cover. And just to let you know, Jim, I don’t actually have the book physically in my hand yet because the mail is very slow. And I’m getting it from the Barnes Review, too, right? Like they published it. It’s not printed here in Canada. It’s printed in the United States. So I’m still awaiting my shipment.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so this is the site, folks. I’ll put the link on the site of our video today. So it is the Barnes Review, though.

 

So if you want the Barnes Review anyway, Barnes Review dot org and get in the products page, book page, you’re going to find a book there. And it’s a very reasonable cost, $25, which is good.

 

All right, so now, again, here’s the information I really did know. I guess it’s your family situation here. Maybe you could go over and talk about something on this page here, Monika, about your background and your life, how you came about in life.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, well, my parents, they were born and raised in Germany. They were German people, both parents. And like so many other Germans who left Germany in the late 40s, early fifties. And after that, like many, many Germans, ended up in sort of all parts of the world. You know, Germany was flattened in the war there. There was so much destruction there.

 

And my parents immigrated to Canada. Really, it was my dad’s dream, since he was a child, actually, to go to the north, to the Arctic, because he was very interested in the Eskimos, as they were called then. So that was kind of the background to that. That was his lifelong dream, actually.

 

So it actually had less to do with with the war and devastation than his lifelong dream to go to the Eskimos in northern Canada. But before he left Germany, he met my mom and fell in love. And so she came, followed him a year later. That was in the early fifties.

 

And then they had five children. I’m the fourth of five, and where do you want to go from there?

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, that’s good. We just get kind of a background. So now we’ll move up to where your problems started. [chuckling] Okay. Think about it. You’re German now, you’re living in the country, in Canada, and you’re German and obviously you had some problems living there, right? Being German.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Well, you mentioned that you’re going to show the video and so I won’t go into the story because that little six minute video actually tells it in a nutshell.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, well, let’s get to the video right here. Okay. Let me pull it up. It’s on the BitChute channel for people that want to find it. It’s easy to find. Just put Monika Schaefer. It will come up.

 

But anyway, here’s the video. Let’s take a look. Let’s see how this works. Okay, so there you are. All right. And I’ll put it up so you can see it. All right, let’s play the video of Monika. What year was this?

 

Monika Schaefer: 2016. I did this video, and I was in Germany. I was visiting my brother Alfred, Alfred Schaefer. He has been living, he’s reverse migrated, so he went to Germany and ended up staying there. And I think he went something mid 80s. So he’s been there for decades and so he’s like a reverse immigration, right?

 

Jim Rizoli: All right, so let’s play the video and then we’ll talk about this a little bit later. All right.

 

 

Hello I’m Monika Shafer. I was born and raised in Canada, first generation Canadian citizen of German heritage. My parents both came from Germany. They immigrated to Canada in 1951 and ‘52, respectively. There was a bit of a disconnect between what I experienced in the home life and what I felt outside the home.

I love the rich German traditions and culture that I grew up with and yet, I felt ashamed of my Germanness when I was at school, or outside with my friends. I learned very quickly to hide my heritage. It started in the first week of school. Day one, I wore my beautiful little dirndl, a traditional German dress and on day two, children were taunting me:

“Oh you forgot to take off your apron! Ha ha ha!”

 

As they were running away, or:

“Heil Hitler! Ha ha!”

 

Again taunting me.

I didn’t exactly know the meaning of that, but I knew it was not friendly. They were being cruel. That was very clear to me.

I’m reminded, just now, of the plight of the indigenous peoples of North America. They were also made to be ashamed of their culture.

I would like to share with you now a deep regret that I have for something which I would like to apologize to my parents for, but cannot, because they are no longer alive. Many years ago, I reproached my mother. You see I had been thoroughly indoctrinated as we all were. The stories seemed to be all around us, in school, in television in the very air, and the evilness of Adolf Hitler was as deep and diabolic as imaginable.

I said to her, to my mother:

“Why didn’t you, your friends, your folk, your family. Why didn’t you do something to stop these bad things from happening! Stop Hitler and stop these death camps! You should have done something! You must have known!”

I was really upset, my reproach was bitter. She listened and she paused and very quietly and in a sad tone of voice, she said:

“We didn’t know about any of that. We just did not know. We did not hear about anything like that!”

Well, now I know why she did not know. It is, because these things did not happen! It is only since the last couple of years, since about 2014, that I have begun to understand that this is the biggest and most pernicious and persistent lie in all of history! Everything has been turned upside down on its head!

Yes, there were detention camps. Nobody denies that there were camps! And yes, the prisoners were kept against their will. Again, nobody denies that. But these were work camps. The prisoners of the camps were being kept as healthy and as well fed as was possible in those terrible war years. They needed to be kept healthy. How else could they perform the work? It was war.

And so the camps were basically armaments factories. And how much sense does it make, by the way, to have a hospital in a death camp? There were no gas chambers there. The only gas that was used was to get rid of the lice! Lice carried typhus and typhus was a deadly and rampant disease. So they had to delouse the clothing to keep the people healthy.

Now, why would they do that if the goal was to just exterminate the Jews? Makes no sense. That is the “Six Million Lie”, as I know like to call it in a nutshell.

There is so much more to learn about this and this is all readily available now in 2016 thanks to the digital age with, or without the “thought laws”.

Back to my family. What a relief it is for me to learn that my parents and grandparents were not part of a people that suddenly became monsters overnight! The reproach which I directed at my mother, I wish I could apologize to her for this. I am, in effect, apologizing to her now, to her spirit.

I would like to invite you to find out more by searching the following titles that had such a meaningful and healing influence on me.

Thank you.

 

 

 

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Jim Rizoli: Okay, so there you have it. That was very good, Monika. [chuckling] Okay, so now that started it all.

 

Monika Schaefer: That did start all, and actually more precisely at minute two and 45 seconds. Two minutes and 45 seconds in, that changed my life, because that’s where I said:

 

“These things didn’t happen.”

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s right.

 

Monika Schaefer: Simple statement. [chuckling] These things didn’t happen.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so now let’s get back to your book. Okay, so now when did you start thinking about the book?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, actually, while I was in prison, I think that I thought about it that:

 

“Wow, if I ever write a book, this is going to be in it!”

 

Or:

 

“If I ever write a book, that’s going to be in it!”

 

Because I was kind of just filled with stories in prison of what I was observing.

 

So the book is not about all those other things, stories that I gathered in prison about other prisoners, that was most interesting, I’m telling you. But there is some stuff in the book about my prison experiences.

 

But I guess it was in prison, probably people wrote me letters, too, and some people suggested:

 

“Jeez, you really should be writing a book.”

 

Or they would ask me:

 

“So, are you writing your book?”

 

The seed was planted to actually write and to document all this.

 

And then I had some really good encouragement after I got out to write this book. Have you ever heard of Katana?

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah, I don’t know whatever happened to him? Whatever happened to him?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well he’s still active. Okay, so you go to the website, katana17 dot com. I think maybe you could try that out and see. But this fellow, he really supported me and encouraged me, and I would encourage people to go to his website. He does transcripts of videos.

 

Jim Rizoli: I remember we used to communicate, and I think Diane did you used to work with him, too, on doing video?

 

Diane King: The transcription of the interviews with the League of Extraordinary Revisionists.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Diane King: And I haven’t heard from him for quite a while.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: And it’s a really great service, what he does. That’s his big contribution to our struggle. And he has very good reasons. Somewhere on his website, he kind of gives an introduction of why he feels that transcriptions are important. It’s another way of preserving some really important stuff. And you can actually print off a transcription and you can read it, it’s in hard copy. So that if things go down and the Internet goes down, or what you still have it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, let me bring up his website. Okay.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that would be great.

 

Jim Rizoli: Let me see if I can do this. I got to get out of this. Oh, boy. Sometimes it’s hard for me to figure this stuff out. I don’t know if I’m going to be able to do this. I got to make this smaller. Okay, so his site is Katana 17.

 

Monika Schaefer: Try that out and you should get it. I think it’s com. I should have looked that up. Yeah, you see a bunch of different things there. There you go. There’ an Overview. Try that. Yeah.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. Hold on. I’m checking right there. Let’s see if this is it.

 

Monika Schaefer: Because I know he got taken down off the Internet. That was a couple of years ago by now, maybe.

 

Jim Rizoli: Is this him? Yeah, this must be him.

 

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yeah.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. So I got the site Katana17 dot com.

 

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Monika Schaefer: I’m sure there’s an intro about this blog, and then there’s going to be.

 

 

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh, that’s cool! I’ll have to save this.

 

Monika Schaefer: He’s got a ton of good stuff on his website.

 

Jim Rizoli: So he basically helped you kind of get into this.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, he really helped me starting out and encouraged me all along the way and just supporting me in my endeavor to write a book. He gave me some really good advice of how to go about it. He said things like, don’t worry about the chronology. Just write pieces as they come to you. Later you can put it into an order. Like just some really, really good advice. That’s just one example of some really good advice.

 

So that’s what I ended up doing. I would just write bits like this would be like a chapter or whatever, and then just preserve that, and then write another bit just as you get inspired to write about this piece or that piece and then later put it together.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. I mean, look at all these articles!

 

 

Monika Schaefer: He’s fantastic! So I’m really glad you’re highlighting. There’s some transcripts there. Jim Rizoli interviews Bradley Smith, … Fred, …

 

 

Jim Rizoli: Fred [Leuchter]. Wow!

 

Monika Schaefer: So that’s great. Lots of transcripts. There’s the story, Mom transcript, I just saw it going by on your screen. Yeah, he did that right away. Like, as soon as that Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust video. And I mean, Alfred and I were contacted by all kinds of people that we had never heard of before that video kind of went viral, you could say. Jim, that term, video went “viral”.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: And so he did a transcript of that it’s a very short video, so that he’s done transcripts of really long videos. So that that one would have been relatively fast for him to do. And he did. And then yeah, it’s fantastic what he does.

 

Jim Rizoli: So all these are just transcripts. You can read them?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow!

 

Monika Schaefer: And I think he does have people that help him out.

 

Jim Rizoli: This is incredible! People don’t realize how much work goes into doing this. [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: It’s fantastic! Oh, yeah. It’s a ton of work. A ton of work!

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Shout out, a shout out to, …

 

Jim Rizoli: I’m glad you brought this here.

 

Monika Schaefer: And I received postcards from him in jail, and they were anonymous. Everybody contributes in a different way, and some people, by their own reasons, they are not showing their face, a name like you and I are. But that’s fine. We need all these people on board, like, for whatever reason. Maybe they have small children or maybe this or that, but they contribute. So I put a big shout out to Katana right now.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, well, I’m glad, because now people will be able to see his site.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it’s good to draw attention to good works like that. So thanks for doing that.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. How many pages is your book?

 

Monika Schaefer: Just over 300, but that would include, …

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s a good size.

 

Monika Schaefer: So there’s a picture section and stuff like that too, photographs. I don’t think it’s a hard read. It’s not a technical book at all. It’s about my experiences, and I want people who are maybe just have their eyes just a little tiny bit open and are willing to perhaps open their eyes more, to draw them in. I feel like I’m just an ordinary person. I’m a normal person. I’m not some big academic, …

 

Jim Rizoli: You’re not a David Irving.

 

Monika Schaefer: No, that’s right, I’m not a David Irving. Who is this historian who has spent a lifetime to study history. No, I’m an ordinary person that then figured out, like, everybody has their awakening story. How did they learn about the fact that we are actually being lied to?

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: On a massive scale, not just little things. Right? And for me, my the key to My Awakening was 9/11. And it was later it was ten years after 9/11, so really, I’m just quite new to this. And then I went down the proverbial rabbit hole. And I know that you have a different awakening story. Yours started with the immigration thing. Right? And then I find your awakening story super interesting.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, it was weird! [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: Ernst Zundel. Had to do with, oh, why is this White man being extradited?

 

Jim Rizoli: I just couldn’t figure that one out. It was just a fluke! All of a sudden. It’s like, “Ahh!”

 

Monika Schaefer: Exactly. I’m always interested in people’s awakening stories, and people come to these realizations in all kinds of different ways. Some people through figuring out that the banking system is all totally corrupt. Other people through reading the Bible very carefully. I had people writing me letters, and many of them, it had happened that way.

 

Anyway, so this book is basically about “My Awakening”.

 

And then this journey of this video and the firestorm it caused, and then the aftermath of it. And the aftermath. I mean, it became a very interesting story, and I would not trade that part of my life away for anything! Even though it was very shocking to be suddenly arrested and put into jail.

 

It was very shocking. And it was difficult in the beginning, I have to say. But once I let go of certain things that just let go, I came to a good place. This thing keeps falling out of my ear. And then I started to just actually just enjoy it.

 

[21:46]

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, you know what’s weird about it Monika? What’s weird is they came after you! And, like, usually it happens this way. You publish a book and then they come after you.

 

Monika Schaefer: Right!

 

Jim Rizoli: Yours is just the opposite. Here you are, just minding your own business and just a normal person just giving an opinion that’s right about something, and look what happened here. What the heck is going on here?

 

Monika Schaefer: They put me on the map. Like, nobody knew, who the heck are you? And then all of a sudden, I’m in jail! So I’m a political prisoner.

 

Now when you become a political prisoner, those people in the world who are, … We network with each other. They, our enemy, likes to make us look like we’re all isolated, we’re all by ourselves, because they want to demoralize us and discourage us. And they try to make us think that we’re just lone nut cases here and there that have these weird, nut-case beliefs!

 

And no, we talk to each other. We’re connected. So then, of course, my name kind of went around the world. Of course, I didn’t go and knock on the door and want to go to jail.

 

But in the end, they kind of did us all a favor, because they highlighted this. And many people did tell me that that little video that you just showed enabled them to, for example, if they’re trying to talk to family members about this history. And many people told me that my video made a difference. Like, then finally they were able to show their mother or their brother or their friend, show them that video and get them to open their eyes just a little bit and maybe get them to look a little bit.

 

And this is my hope that to this book, it’s not about ego. It’s not about me! Yes, it’s my story. But it is about this bigger picture, Jim. It is about what you and I and many, many other people are, it’s like our life mission to awaken people to what is going on.

 

Jim Rizoli: I think people they have to see that’s why I put the video up, because I’m saying now, this woman went to jail because of this video! I mean, you people watching this, if you’re jews, whoever you are, she went to jail. I mean, really!

 

There are people that murder people that get away with it, that don’t go to jail. They get off, and they murder people. We have people that extort billions of dollars from people. They don’t go to jail. But she went to jail!

 

And I don’t think people understand. I would love to have a discussion with a jew right now, like sitting down, me, a jew, and saying:

 

“What do you think about her going to jail for this video? Do you think that was right?”

 

I would just love to just see what they would say! I know, it just oh, it just infuriates me when these jews can sit back, because some of them will say, :

 

“Well, she deserved to go to jail!”

 

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely!

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. They’re going to love it. They love it!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And actually, you know what the most bizarre thing that I found of people saying to me, like, in Jasper, in my own hometown?:

 

“Look, see, that’s proof that you’re guilty. You went to jail. That’s proof. That proves it. You’re guilty. And this proves that the Holocaust happened because you went to jail for it!”

 

Isn’t that kind of a perverse?

 

[25:22]

 

Jim Rizoli: No, I see there’s a lot of people that go to jail, and they’re innocent, and then you’ll be talking to somebody and they’ll say:

 

“Wow, the court found him guilty!”

 

And it’s like:

 

“Yeah, but they were innocent! Well, the court found him guilty!”

 

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

 

So this is a very odd way of thinking! Because, look, just think about it. I actually love the way Alfred describes these laws. They’re just blots of toner on paper. That’s what these laws are. They’re man made. They’re blots of toner on paper. And what is the meaning of them? Now, if these laws, if you are having to legislate a piece of history! This is not about we have what you would call common law, and we have rights, god given rights, and common law. Like things that it makes sense that there are certain things we should not do. So it makes sense that we have laws like, we shouldn’t just go with a sledgehammer and clobber a neighbor over the head for no reason. Right. That’s not a good thing to do.

 

So, yeah, there’s Laws. Those laws make sense. Now, how much sense does it make to make a law about history? History, something happened, or it didn’t happen. This is in the past. These are facts.

 

And then they make a law to enshrine their story into, like, what!

 

Jim Rizoli: Know what’s really strange about it? Here’s what really bothers me about this. Now remember, the courts are there to find out what’s right or wrong, but the courts now have become, it’s called, they take “judicial notice” now, on what they can determine was is historical.

 

I mean, think about a court system on what is historical. So now when it comes to the Holocaust topic, the first thing they’ll say in a case in Germany is:

“Well, we can’t talk about the facts of the Holocaust, because we have taken ‘judicial notice’ that the Holocaust is a historical fact, and we cannot question those facts.”

 

I mean, this is just hard to believe!

 

Monika Schaefer: It is. They started with that, right, in the Nuremberg Trials, right after World War II, the articles 19 and, 21 of the Nuremberg Trials. There are procedures there. That’s what they said, that if something is self evident, you don’t need evidence to, … Basically they were giving that judicial notice, which is, … Okay, so judicial notice, you could give judicial notice about something, …

 

Jim Rizoli: That they could do it with the vaccine. They could say:

 

“Oh, the vaccine is safe, it’s been proven safe. We’re taking judicial notice.”

 

They do it. They do it!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. They do these things which is bizarre and obscene. But I think the original intent of “judicial notice” is something like snow is cold, like something that you don’t have to prove.

 

Jim Rizoli: Like the earth is round. They’ll say that. We’ll take judicial notice. And it’s like, I don’t really care whether it’s round or flat, it don’t matter to me!

 

But when you’re telling me what to believe, like, we’ll take a judicial notice, there is a God, or there isn’t a God.

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, yeah, actually, I would just say those are probably not good examples because they’re not something that is hard. Like maybe judicial notice that this is a cup and we’re just going to agree that this is a cup. Okay? So that would be something that you don’t have to prove that this is a cup and it contains liquid in it. You know what I mean? These are things that you can prove.

 

Whereas the example you gave, well, those are big disputable items. People are disputing. Some people are staunch atheists and some people not. I have faith, and I’m grateful for that, but it’s like yeah, anyway, that’s another topic.

 

Jim Rizoli: The court system really shouldn’t be getting into historical information. It’s not their position, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, the point is, like, when you start talking about judicial notice and this is what they’re doing about the “Holocaust” is they prevent evidence from being brought forward. So if we could not present evidence that would support our position or explain how we reached our conclusions, and in fact, my brother Alfred, his prison sentence was lengthened due to the things that he said in our trial in 2018.

 

So he faced the Inquisition again in 2019 for things that he said and did during our trial! And the judge had stopped him many times when he was speaking and said:

 

“Well, I got to stop you there. I can just give you a warning that if you continue along those lines of speaking where you’re going right now, I’m just giving you a warning that it’s dangerous ground. We can press new charges.”

 

And he would wave them off or he would listen. He’d let the judge finish his sentence and then he said:

 

“Well, you are wanting to throw me in jail for 6 million years anyway. And I’m just speaking the truth!”

 

[30:57]

 

Jim Rizoli:[chuckling] Let’s just go back to your trial. Okay? You’re standing there. Okay. Now, you were accused of what, actually?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, this Paragraph 130. So German Criminal Code, Paragraph 130 is their “Holocaust” law, but the word “Holocaust” doesn’t even appear in it. But it is the Holocaust denial law.

 

I mean, this whole word “denial” is kind of crazy because you can’t really technically, you can’t deny something that didn’t actually happen. In German that’s actually more clear. The word “leugnen” now is denier, but language has different nuances, and there you cannot deny something that didn’t happen.

 

And Ursula Haverbeck, whose name probably many of your viewers will be familiar with, this is this 94 year old woman who was being put back into jail for asking questions, inconvenient questions, about World War II history. Anyway, how they get around that in Germany, because they know that you can’t deny something that didn’t happen, but they read our minds, okay?

 

So they will say:

 

“She knows, or he knows, that the Holocaust happened, and yet she or he denies it!”

 

Which that’s how they get around us. So they pretend to read our minds and then call us a liar, or call us like:

 

“We’re a denier now, because we know, like Alfred Schaefer knows that the Holocaust happened, but he just is so full of hate that he denies that it happened!”

 

You know what I mean? This is how they do it.

 

I mean, they wrote an article in the newspaper in the main Zeitung, which is a big newspaper in Germany, about Alfred Schaefer.

 

Jim Rizoli: Now, you’re in court standing there. How long did it take for this case to do?

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay, yeah, four months. But over the four month, 200 days. 20 trial days. So you don’t go to the court every day. They’ll have a couple of days here, then the next day, next week or whatever, then they have a break for they go on holidays, whatever. So it took four months, but it was 20 trial days.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, but are you in jail at the time?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. So I was in jail for six months before the trial even started!

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh my goodness!

 

Monika Schaefer: Because they kept me due to flight risk. So when they arrested me, then I had to go before a judge the next day because they have to bring you before a judge within 24 hours of arresting you to determine what they do with you and I wasn’t even in the jail yet. I was in the prison cell in a police station until they determined that:

 

“No, they can’t let me go, because if they let me go, I’m going to run away, and I’ll be out of their clutches.”

 

Because they knew, okay, I live in Canada, right? So I could just fly back to Canada. And they don’t have these laws here.

 

Jim Rizoli: Let’s just deal with court hours, okay? How many hours do you think they devoted to you?

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, lots! Some days were shortened because these things, how they go in court. I mean, it’s just unbelievable how much time and money they waste if something didn’t arrive, or some witness didn’t arrive. And yet that was all that was on the agenda, …

 

Jim Rizoli: And you had to pay a lot, …

 

Monika Schaefer: But other days were really long. Like other days went beginning to end. Sorry, what was your question?

 

Jim Rizoli: No, you had a lawyer, right? Is that what happened?

 

Monika Schaefer: I did. And I had the lawyer who was also the same lawyer who had been Ursula Haverbeck’s Lawyer, and the same lawyer who was Sylvia Stoltz’s Lawyer.

 

The day that I got arrested, I got arrested in the courthouse, but we were in the public gallery. Somebody spotted me there. I didn’t know that they had a file open on me. Nobody wrote me a nice letter. Neither of my relatives, who basically reported us to the authorities. They didn’t write me a letter saying, yeah, we reported you to the authorities, and that would mean that a file gets opened on you.

 

[35:03]

 

Jim Rizoli: Now, if you didn’t go to court that day, would they have arrested you?

 

Monika Schaefer: I don’t know.

 

I mean, I suppose they could have at the airport, but I got into the country, no problem. I don’t know.

 

Jim Rizoli: When you went to the court, to them it was [chuckling] like:

 

“Oh, says the spider to the fly.”

 

Right?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. We went to the court to watch this trial of Sylvia Stoltz.

 

I mean, this is all very interconnected, all these political dissidents. I just thought, I wanted to meet her. For one thing, she was my hero. And that’s a whole another topic. We could talk at length about that, but just for now, just stay on topic here.

 

I was so intensely curious:

 

“What does a speech crime trial look like?”

 

It did not, … I mean, people might on the outside say:

 

“Well, that’s pretty stupid to go!”

 

But I didn’t think of anything, I really didn’t.

 

Jim Rizoli: So here you are, you’re in court watching something else happen, okay? And you’re sitting there, just minding your own business, and then what happens?

 

[36:10]

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, they called a recess about 40 or 45 minutes into her case that was rolling along. And nobody knew why they called this recess. It was very puzzling because it was just in the middle, for no reason at all, it seemed.

 

But then we discovered the reason. They had whispered behind closed doors:

 

“She’s in the gallery. She’s in the public gallery. Let’s get her now.”

 

So then we all step out to the corridors just to talk. There’s a throng of us who are in the public gallery, people who are supporting Sylvia Stoltz, and we’re just talking.

 

And then this woman just swoops over to me, says:

 

“What’s your name?”

 

And just innocently and naively, I just said:

 

“Oh, Monika.”

 

I mean, I didn’t need to say a word, but I wasn’t thinking of any, … I didn’t have any suspicions of anything. And then it all changed. Then she drew attention while she’s talking to these three thugs, uniformed police officers, or whatever they were. And:

 

“That’s her! Arrest her! That’s Monica Schaefer!”

 

Oh, okay, now I get it. [chuckling] Oh, my goodness!

 

Jim Rizoli: It’s incredible! This is incredible!

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m laughing now, but I wasn’t laughing at the time.

 

Jim Rizoli: Think about it. You’re in court watching something. You’re getting arrested because of a thought crime!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it is incredible. Time at that moment slowed down. Everything went in slow motion, and it was an incredible moment. I’ll never forget it.

 

Jim Rizoli: And then they handcuffed you?

 

Monika Schaefer: They did. There was a few things that happened first, and then they basically, … Well, they didn’t handcuff me like this behind my back or anything, but they handcuffed me to the prison ward, or the officer, the police thug.

 

So then I got taken down into the bowels of the courtroom where they have holding cells. They have holding cells in the basement.

 

Jim Rizoli: What was going through your mind when this was happening?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Oh, my goodness, Jim. Everything went in slow motion. I remember turning my head when they were leading me away and turning my head and seeing the throng of people standing there, like a group of I don’t know, just all very solemn, standing there, watching me go.

 

It’s like almost like they were watching me being taken to the gallows! And everybody just wow. It was very surreal, actually. It’s kind of making me get goosebumps right now or whatever it is just thinking about that moment and then being led away. It was very strange.

 

Jim Rizoli: So they take you downstairs because you’re in the court now. Right? The courthouse of jail. Same thing.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. In the basement. Just like in any police station, they’ll have holding cells. So in the court house, they have holding cells. And so I got brought down to a holding cell and put in there. A very tiny, tiny space. There was a wooden bench and a table that’s attached to the wall. But not a nice table. Just a tiny little concrete thing or whatever.

 

Yeah. And then I was there for a few hours, and I was kind of counting tiles, and I would pace back and forth. It was like five steps this way. Not even that. Four steps. Maybe three steps.

 

Jim Rizoli: Were you putting it together in your mind what was going on?

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah. They didn’t like my video! [chuckling] I knew that right away!

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s it. This is why people have to understand what’s going on here, folks! That someone could be arrested!

 

Monika Schaefer: Alfred was already on their radar. I knew that. So maybe Alfred should have been more worried about attending.

 

Jim Rizoli: Was he there with you?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And then, actually, he was advised by my lawyer, who was Sylvia Stoltz’s Lawyer. I think that was who advised me. He said, [to Alfred]:

 

“You better leave now. Don’t hang around.”

 

[40:15]

 

Jim Rizoli: You think they would have arrested him?

 

Monika Schaefer: No. You know why, Jim? Because he already had some charges laid against him. Yeah, he had court dates coming up, or not even solid court dates, but he had already been given charges.

 

He had a dream team. Alfred calls it the Dream Team. They were going to put Gert Ittner, Ursula Haverbeck, Sylvia Stoltz, … No, Henry Hoffmanmeyer was on there, too, and Alfred. Wait a minute, I’ve got one too many there, because there was four of them, I thought. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it was all five of them in court together.

 

And Alfred was just like, he said:

 

“Wow! They have no idea what they’re doing. This is a dream team. These are powerhouse players here!”

 

But then they changed everything when I was in jail. Because now all of a sudden, there’s pressure to do this more quickly. Because this could have dragged out for years and years for them. They got to put dates, but they all live in Germany, and they were just living at home still. They weren’t flight risk because they live there. I was a flight risk because I don’t live there.

 

So Alfred was already facing stuff. He’d already had his home raided, and that was because of my video in August of 2016. That was the first home invasion. Home invasion, where they came and they knocked on the door. They didn’t pound the door down. But that was the time when, … I have to tell this story, because it’s hilarious. And it’s sort of a number of years ago, so even if people had heard it then, they’ve forgotten it.

 

But they came at about six or seven in the morning and Alfred was in the shower and just out of the shower, actually, but he was in the bathroom behind the closed door and his wife went to the door. And Alfred is listening and he knows right away:

 

“Okay, these are police officers.”

 

Just from what he’s hearing.

 

And so, you know what he did? He came out, he opened the door. He’s still stark naked, and he says:

 

“Hello, what can I do for you? Is there any way can I help you with anything?”

 

It was so fantastic because he didn’t try to hide himself behind a towel. He’s showing, literally, that he has nothing to hide. I thought it was brilliant! And it was quite funny. There was a man and a woman officer, so they quickly, like:

 

“Get dressed. It’s okay, get dressed first.”

 

And a little bit embarrassing for them [chuckling]. But he was just big smile on his face:

 

“Hello, how can I help you?”

 

Jim Rizoli: They handcuffed him?

 

Monika Schaefer: No, what they did then, is it was all very polite. They were polite, but they basically then investigated his home and searched his whole space and took stuff, took computers, they took whatever they could find.

 

And Alfred was saying he was so relieved that he had packed his camera equipment and that particular stuff away before that. He didn’t know they were coming. But he always was neat and tidy. And after he had used his video equipment and all that equipment that was associated with that, he would pack it away neat and tidy. They didn’t take that, they didn’t find it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow.

 

Monika Schaefer: Not that he was trying to hide it, they just didn’t find it. Didn’t recognize it for what is all.

 

Jim Rizoli: Was that in your book?

 

Monika Schaefer: That detail, I just told you? No, but yeah, these are just interesting stories. If I had written all the interesting stories, that would have been like thousands of pages long!

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s unbelievable, because really, …

 

Monika Schaefer: It’s true, there are so many interesting stories. Like I was saying to you earlier, just in prison, gathering stories in prison. Oh my goodness! It was just fascinating and entertaining and sometimes funny and sometimes tragic. And it was just really a lot of stories just in prison, a lot.

 

Jim Rizoli: Unbelievable. Now we’ll finish up. But let me just talk about the book. So now you got all your information down, you wrote everything down. Now you said, I’m ready to write a book. So now what was your next step?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, like I was saying earlier, Katana had kind of advised me on how to do this. Just write things, it doesn’t have to be in order, and then later put it in order. And it took a lot longer than I wanted it to take, Jim. I thought, okay, this would be a good project for a year. [chuckling] That’s kind of funny. I mean, it’s four years in the making, really, because I got out late 2018, 19, 2021, 22, four years.

 

And then there were some hiccups along the way and some yeah, some, …

 

[44:55]

 

Jim Rizoli: So now everything’s done. You got your manuscript, so now you had to decide who’s going to publish it.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and I’m very grateful to the Barnes Review, good folks there, and I encourage people to actually become subscribers to that fantastic publication.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah, my brother Joe gets it, so I don’t have to get it, but we get it. It’s an excellent magazine.

 

Monika Schaefer: It is, yeah, that’s right.

 

Jim Rizoli: So you got the Barnes Review to do it, and they seem to do an excellent job in publishing your book.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah. They put it together into, like, I haven’t seen it yet in my hand, but I know it, …

 

Jim Rizoli: No, I understand. Well, that’s a great story. And the reason why I’m talking about the book and Monika is because if there’s other people out there that want to get into publishing a book, it’s good to see that any normal person can publish a book. If you just put your mind, you would get the information out and if you can find the publisher to do it or whatever, however you want to do it. I mean, our books are kind of deal with specific things. It’s not like we’re talking about some topic here, how to grow flowers.

 

But, I mean, the biggest part of publishing a book is getting someone who’s going to publish it.

 

Monika Schaefer: Get somebody to publish and print it. That was another delay. It’s small printer and they had some tragedy happen in their family. So it was a family business, just the printer. Because the Barnes Review doesn’t print. They have a printer, right?

 

I mean, they get somebody else to print. So that was another complication that probably delayed it by a couple of months or three, four months more.

 

Yeah. It’s getting more and more difficult because the eternal well poisoners of this world, they are really clamping down. But they’re in panic mode. We are winning! They’re in their last throws, and they don’t stop until we stop them.

 

So this is, I guess, another message, like, to get out there. But they are on the losing side, really.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, the thing is, we don’t let up. And it has nothing to do with winning a battle. It just has to do with just getting what you have to do, out.

 

I mean, that’s how I look at it. I don’t look at winning this war. I look at just let’s get as many people online here to see what the truth is. Let them do it, whatever they want to do with it. But I mean, you can’t let them get away with it. That’s the biggest thing.

 

Well, Monika, this has been great. I’m really happy to see that you got the book out there. Hopefully we’ll get people to order it, to read it. If you really want to get into reading good information, especially dealing with your life there and what happened with you, I think it’s going to be great and I hope people take note of it.

 

And again, folks that are watching, we can’t let them win. And it doesn’t matter. We still have to fight to the end of whatever the end is! Just keep fighting and fighting! It doesn’t matter.

 

Monika Schaefer: Never give up! Never give up hope! Never give up. They want us to be hopeless. This is what they try to make us be, living in fear and with hopelessness. That’s what they do to us. But we can never let that happen to us, that we just give up hope. Because then you might as well. Then it’s over, right? If you give up hope, it’s over. And like you say, Jim, keep on going. Don’t give up.

 

Jim Rizoli: Like I said, no surrender! That’s it.

 

Monika Schaefer: No surrender! And I like your little motto of “you’re an army of one”, or something like that.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, that’s the thing. Like, people say to me:

 

“Well, you don’t got a lot of people behind you.”

 

I’m saying it doesn’t matter! As long as you get one person on your side. You just increased by what, 100%? [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: There’s a huge ripple effect. And also, people should understand and know that we are not this isolated little click like Noam Chomsky tried to tell Alfred [chuckling]! This is in one of his first videos, that’s kind of featured.

 

But anyway, we are many. We are many!

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh, no. I was thinking about my BitChute channel. I’ve only been on it for five years, but I have like over 2400 videos on BitChute, and I’m getting up to 2 million views on BitChute.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s fantastic.

 

Jim Rizoli: And and again, that’s nothing compared to people on YouTube and all this and that. But you got to understand, this is BitChute.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yeah. No, I want to take my hat off to you, Jim. You have done a huge service to the world, to us, to the good, the truth!

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, I just feel that if I can use my video skills and what I do, I’m doing here with you, that’s the least I can do. Because as you get older, you just can’t go out and do stuff anymore. But we all try.

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. And everybody has different skills and ideas.

 

So it’s going to be different for different people, what you can do. But everybody can do something. Everybody can do something! This is not a spectator game. You participate and everybody can do something.

 

[50:26]

 

Jim Rizoli: Here’s the way they can help you. They can get your book. That helps you. It gets the message out. Okay.

 

Monika Schaefer: And share it with somebody. Win them over.

 

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s right. And then take our video we’re doing now. Like, people say, what can I do to help you?

 

Look at I’m not looking for people’s money. I’m just looking get the message of take this video here, send it to people! Get it out to people! Send it to news people!

 

There is so much people can do, they don’t even know they can do it. You can get into all the newspapers and find out who the editor is and then send them the link to the stories. Say:

 

“You might be interested in this story.”

 

That’s all. Just get it out there! Someone might pick up on it. But you’re going to do something. If you don’t do anything, nothing’s going to get done!

 

On the BitChute channels. If you’re looking at other BitChute’s, post it on their channel, especially if it’s related to the topic of censorship or free speech or Germany or jews or whatever. Just say:

 

“Oh, here’s a new interview with Monika and Jim dealing with this topic.”

 

If you get it on 20 sites, 50 sites, 100 sites, that’s all. If you’re doing this all day, it’s not taking you out of your way to do this. Just put it on their site.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Another really effective thing, really effective thing is actually leafletting. Like, if you want to create just a small thing that has a few basic facts and then an URL, like a link that they could type into their computer if they want to seek more information. And then actually handing these to people personally, sometimes that is one of the most effective things. That another idea. Just another idea. I like to do that.

 

Jim Rizoli: The normies out there that don’t do video, that don’t write, that are at home reading, looking at websites, reading Internet sites. Whatever you’re doing, you have a tremendous ability to get the message out. And that’s all we have to do, get the message out!

 

And people believe me, they’re going to see it. I have people coming across my stuff in the weirdest ways that:

 

“Oh, I saw it over here. I saw it over there.”

 

And I said:

 

“Wow, I didn’t even know it was over there.”

 

I mean, that’s how you’re going to do it.

 

Okay, Monika. Well, this is great Monika. I really enjoyed this. I mean, I learned a little bit more about what happened with you in court and all that.

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, I enjoyed this, too. Thanks so much, Jim. Thank you for doing this.

 

Jim Rizoli: And we’ll be talking we’ll be doing another chat with you, me and Diane in the future to catch up on what’s going on and other stuff there too, later.

 

Monika Schaefer: Connecting the dots, right? Connect the dots.

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s right. And that’s what we’re trying to do here. Okay, folks, we’ll look at I want to thank everybody for watching. With me is Monika Schaefer, and we’re out there doing the best we can. We hope you can do the best you can, too, by getting the message out there.

 

So, Monika, thank you for being on the show, and we’ll be in touch. We’ll be talking again. Okay?

 

Monika Schaefer: Bye bye.

 

Jim Rizoli: Take care. Bye now.

 

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NeverTooLate86+
Immediately ordered the book.
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bilbob7624
i love when Monika is on.
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FogDogma
Me to, Monika is such a good woman with spunk. I love people who tell the truth even when they are being targeted by evil. Their strength is addicting and gives me hope.
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FogDogma
Jim, thanks so much for posting stuff on Monica and her brother. They are so awesome. They both inspire others to keep on keeping on when all hell breaks loose. They are perfect examples of what our people are capable of when we are targeted for extinction. We fight back and won’t shut up. Love these good people.
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Jeffrey88
Synchronicity. I just ordered two copies. Thank you, Monika!
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DIRTYBOB59
Monika, will you friggin’ MARRY me, please?… (FTJ!…)
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FogDogma
If she accepts, you better be good to her. Treat her like a queen.
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STRIKER_ZWEIFogDogma
he does’nt have the means to make Monika happy. I do.
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Jeffrey88STRIKER_ZWEI
If she marries me she wouldn’t have to change her name.
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STRIKER_ZWEIJeffrey88
if she married me, Monika could always just look into my blue eyes, and know she made the right choice. And I speak fluent German, have German ancestery, and lived there 25 years
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Truth-doesn’t-fear-investigation
I wonder if Monika knows she has so many marriage proposals?
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STRIKER_ZWEITruth-doesn’t-fear-investigation
Probably thousands if not more. Marriage with Monika automatically gets one Alfred as a brother in law. Seriously, its a win win.
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STRIKER_ZWEISTRIKER_ZWEI
theres only 3 ladies I know of that I would marry. Monika, Deanna Spingola, and Dr Lorraine Day.
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Cybergun01STRIKER_ZWEI
Those are some fine ladies.. i wish more women had the passion and ability to speak truth as boldly as they do
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SatanicFakeSpace
Great book title!
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jerockdange
Do you guys know who wrote the Old testament Simon Peter Paul you know who these guys are
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STRIKER_ZWEI
The old testament?
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Gertjan
Christianity is not the religion of Jesus of Nazareth it is a religion invented by Saul of Tarsus who even claimed he was an apostle and yet had never met Jesus face to face. Saul, the jew, saw the light and the ignoratti bought it. Christianity is a religion which makes people into easy slaves for the enemy of all life on Earth; the International Parasite.
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LambofGod1990Gertjan
Misinformed Person. Paul did not teach a Gospel different from Christ’s Gospel.
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GertjanLambofGod1990
you were there, were you? Have you read the Urantia Book? Paul was a, what would now be called, a jew. The law for the jew is, he must lie, cheat, steal, and even kill goyim. Saul changed his name to Paul so he would not sound so, ‘jewish’. Of course you do know that Jesus despised those creatures, albeit they were not called ‘jews’ [show more]
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LambofGod1990Gertjan
Jesus changed the Name of Simon. Does the Urantia Book trace back to Apostolic Times?
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Cybergun01Gertjan
Yet jew subversives have repeatedly tried to undermine the writings of Paul. I wouldn’t buy into the works of Christopher Jon Bjerknes, Adam Green and others like them.. they are deceived, if not deceivers themselves
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LambofGod1990Cybergun01
The two you mentioned seem to believe that the God of the Babylonian Talmud is the same God Jesus calls Father in the Gospels. The Christian God whom Jesus calls Father in the Gospels is not a Transgender Diety who condones the Subjugation, Extortion and the Eventual Elimination of all Gentiles. Bolshevik Jews killed over 70 Million Eastern Europeans including Millions more in China. Mao was funded by Jew Bankers. [show less]
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jerockdange
And because of your judeo-christian beliefs you’ve created a ruling class that cannot be criticized
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bucybeen@gmail.com
who are you addressing ,?
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Truth-doesn’t-fear-investigation
Go away faggot
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LambofGod1990
JudeoChristianity is a Jewish Ploy to make Zionism more palatable to Christians. The Jews hate Jesus with a Passion. Ben Shapiro pushes JudeoChristian nonsense.
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309-b
…. great news, … Monica and Alfred have been leaders in debunking these Jewish lies, … carrying on the tradition of the great Ernest Zundel, …
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Gertjan
Ernst Zundel.
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Known_Crocodilan
The original intent of Jew-dicial notice is not “hey, snow is cold”. Rather, its original intent is a tool of Jewish lies and control. Including and not limited to: the earth is a globe, six million Jews were exterminated in gas chambers, the vaccine is safe, virology is real, etc…
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STRIKER_ZWEI
Jim said, “any normal person can publish a book” Jim, Monika is not a normal person, she is a treasure, and super special.
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Open Our Eyes Jesus
Article 21 of the Statutes at Nuremberg
” The Nuremberg (military) Tribunal shall NOT require PROOF of the facts
LET THAT SINK IN – first time in recorded HISTORY- judges didn’t require actual documentary “proof” to come to (((their))) verdict – that is what came out of Communist controlled “Nuremberg.” of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof ”
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Wayne101062
And they were not allowed an appeal. What kind of court is that.
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Open Our Eyes JesusWayne101062
It’s a Kosher controlled Communist Court. Tragically the Germans were NEVER allowed to actually present the evidence to prove their innocence of the charges made against them at “Nuremberg”. Germany’s crime was they LOST WW II and have been enslaved ever since by the ruling global Jewish/Zionist Oligarchy. Allied winners wrote how the History is “remembered”.
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Open Our Eyes Jesus
” It is ERROR which needs the support of government.
TRUTH can stand on its own ”
– Thomas Jefferson, Third President of U.S.A
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Open Our Eyes Jesus
Jefferson also said :
” The effect of government coercion is :
to make one half the people fools
and the other half hypocrites,
and to support roguery and error all over the earth” [show less]
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Jim Rizoli
(dkk) “The truth needs no laws, the official holocaust narrative simply is not true… therefore, it is being used to enslave and manipulate humanity, ESPECIALLY the German nation.” Mrs. Ursula Haverbeck
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Calf89
What a amazing Lady.
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Speidini3784
Going to jail for words… why have we let the jooz get this far! Monika you are a very brave woman, thanks
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Jim Rizoli
(dkk) The ‘fix is in’. They had us with the post-WWII nonsense proliferated since then.
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Calf89
You have Jim thanks your great guy my friend thanks again for all you do.
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Fredziffle108
Jim
Here is Miles Power responding to Germar’s book

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Synrgy77
Power is full of shit, dodging and deception. Most of his arguments were already adressed by Holocaust believer and chemist Richard Green by 2000 and brightly refuted by Rudolf with empirical proofs.
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Jim Rizoli
(dkk) always a pleasure, “Fred”!
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JustAintThatWay
T/y the notification & link; just ordered a copy.
Alfred & Monika strong & handsome/beautiful and their courage an inspiration to all.
Again. t/y for this info.
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JB61
Hey Monika I caught you on RBN
Yesterday with Giuseppe and Blackbird 9, John Friend and Malicus Scott https://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/rbns-2023-new-years-day-special-w-blackbird9-giuseppe/ Hour 1

RBN’s 2023 New Years Day Special w/ Blackbird9 & Giuseppe Hour 2

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Danthefnman187
I sure wish all thought criminals are as elegant, and pleasant. Great job Jim!
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Gertjan
In my opinion the Great Man, Adolf Hitler was much too kind and his friends also were so inclined. There never was any plan to exterminate the international pest but simply relocate it to some other place, no different than 1030 other places had done before Germany attempted to shake off the parasite. Now let’s make Planet Earth the 1031st place. Hail Victory!
Congratulations Monika. Well done. [show less]
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Gertjan
The whims of politicians does not the law make. Read Frederick Bastiat, The Law and learn the truth about this very important subject which has been usurped by the parasite.
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Gertjan
Good interview, Jim. Well done. Unlike certain interviewers you let your guest talk.
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scotty
JIM it would be great to see a video of you tearing apart this guys stupid video review which is apparently backed by the JEWtube police: found thru Fredziffle108 comment Jim
Here is Miles Power responding to Germar’s book

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scotty
JIM is extraordinarily talented as an interviewer, he asks pertinent clear concise questions and listens carefully to responses and answers and stays focused. This is actually rare in many high paid professionals.
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Leonieblah
Great video. Love Monika
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JohnKrakauer
going to buy the book
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Wayne101062
You will not see this book on the New York Times bestseller list. But is deserves to be there.
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Lastboyscout
The fact that her own family members reported her is disgusting and a sign of just how broken the German people really are
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C-ammo
Can’t wait for Monikas sequel,
“Sorry Jews, you were wrong about the Holocau$t”.
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Reasonable White Guy
When I was in high school and junior high, part of our curriculum was a state mandated unit on the holocaust. I went through these units for at least a couple years in various history and social studies classes. My awakening, had to do with how this subject was approached and taught. The Jewish kids in the class were generally put [show more]
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Kathleen Dudley
Fantastic!
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Kathleen Dudley
Thank you both for opening this up to encourage, expose and excite us about what is possible! You are both remarkable.
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Non Fake News
Always enjoy listening to Monika. Brave woman.
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Freeze Peach
Splendid everything and thanks Jim, thank you Monika. God bless.
GOTT MIT UNS.
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LambofGod1990
One thing I could not make sense of was the genuine Joy the German People had when attending Hitler’s Speeches. It turns out Hitler was not the Monster we have been led to believe. Stalin was actually a Mass Murderer who Straved and Killed Millions of his fellow Human Beings.
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John Friend: All right folks. Welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. Today is Tuesday, May 31st, 20022.

 

Of course, my website is therealistreport.com where you will find an extensive archive of these podcasts. You will also find all of my blog posts and articles, a contact page, my Twitter feed, which is embedded in the right-hand sidebar of the website, and many other useful and important links.

 

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And recently I have received emails from a couple different listeners asking how they can support my work here. I have been banned from virtually all online payment processors. But if anyone is interested in financially contributing to my efforts please do send me an email. And I can give you some options.

 

Again there is a contact page right at the top of the website. Also another easy way to support my work is simply to subscribe to the Barnes Review and American Free Press. Two publications that I have been contributing to for several years now. But again, anybody interested in contributing directly to this website, please shoot me an email. And I can provide you with some options for contributing.

 

All right, with that said, let me introduce our special guest. Monika Shaefer is joining us once again. Monika is a German-Canadian activist and revisionist and her website is freespeechmonika.com. All right. Monika Schaefer. Welcome back to the program. How are you today? It’s great to have you.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m doing very well thanks John! I’m just so looking forward to this interview and talking with you again. Yeah thanks.

 

John Friend: Yeah, you’ve been a guest a number of times on the program. And you’re one of my favorite people to talk to. And, of course, there’s no shortage of topics to cover. And I want to kind of jump right into it. Your website is freespeechmonika.com and I will, of course, have a link to your website when I post this podcast program. I’ve also got your website linked on the right-hand sidebar of my website under the recommended sites. So people can find it that way as well, or just go to freespeechmonika.com.

 

And I know you’re also involved in the Truth and Justice for Germans Society which is truthandjusticeforGermans.com. And I recently read an article that just came out just a couple days ago. And it was a sort of like a Q&A written conversation that you had with NS-Kampf ruf. Am I pronouncing that correctly?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes it was also in the New Order this is NS, National Socialism. But it’s a fellow in the United States, who has also been persecuted and jailed for his views on, you know, National Socialist Germany. And he did this interview with me back in during the winter. This came out in the January and the February issue. And I had it on my own website. But I just recently put it on to the Truth and Justice for Germans website as well.

 

John Friend: Okay. Very good. Yeah, it’s great. Yeah. I know it’s great. It kind of gives your background and your sort of wake up to Revisionism. And I want to remind everybody we actually did a what it turned out to be a really good Q&A as well. Sort of similar to this. We covered a few different topics but we actually published it in the Barnes Review, as sort of like a written Q&A interview with Monika Schaefer, persecuted Canadian thinker. And we talked about your situation in Germany, and your views on the “Holocaust”.

 

And kind of got into some of the information relating to Alfred, your brother, which we’ll talk about as we wrap up this podcast.

 

But I just wanted to remind everybody that was in the November, December 2020 issue of the Barnes Review. And, of course, I would highly recommend everybody to go out and subscribe to the Barnes Review. It’s really the last like Revisionist print publication. One of the top ones in America. I know this other one that you mentioned, the New Order. Do they actually print physical, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

 

John Friend: Okay. So there is, …

 

Monika Schaefer: And they get translated into many languages as well, online. Now their website got taken down recently, but the fellow who is doing this he is working hard at getting a few like a series of websites back up. It’s incredible actually. It’s Gerhard Lauck. And you may have heard that name, or perhaps, yes?

 

John Friend: Yeah, I know that sounds familiar.

 

Monika Schaefer: He’s an incredibly hard worker. And he’s been out this for decades really. I mean, he was born into activism, I think! [chuckling]

 

John Friend: Very good. Well, that’s cool. I’m glad to hear that. There’s not enough printed material anymore. It’s always a challenge to do that. There’s costs involved with it. But I think it is important. I mean, as you said, we can get censored so easily online.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and his publication it’s like four pages each time. And it’s just pages that are stapled together. So it’s not like the Barnes Review magazine, which I will do a shout out, to add to what you just said, to highly recommend that people subscribe to. It really is excellent that publication. And I was just so honored that you did that interview with me! Thanks, John! [chuckling]

 

John Friend: Yeah, of course, no problem. Yeah, I think it turned out really good. Very sort of unique and the Barnes Review is always covering a lot of very unique aspects of history. So again everybody check it out. It’s Barnes Review.org, or you could go to Barnes Review dot com it basically takes you to the same place. And you can check out some of the articles, some of the interviews. And, of course, subscribe to the print publication.

 

There’s also a huge list of books for sale including pretty much all of the major “Holocaust” revisionist books. So check it out!

 

Anyways, Monika I want to talk first about this recently introduced. Well, I guess it was back in February, there was a government budget that was introduced in Canada. Basically criminalizing “Holocaust” denial.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I don’t want to interrupt you.

 

John Friend: But, oh no, just real briefly. Just some quick background. It was a basically from my understanding – you can correct me if I’m wrong – it was a new Criminal Code offense for denying the “Holocaust”. And this was inserted into a recently proposed Budget Bill.

 

And then there was also from what I understand a near identical piece of legislation that was proposed in the House of Commons by a Conservative MP named Kevin Waugh, W-A-U-G-H. I’m not sure if I’m pronouncing that correctly.

 

Monika Schaefer: I think you are.

 

John Friend: It was basically introduced as an actual piece of legislation. And then also it was introduced as part of the Criminal Code in the Budget Bill. And it, from what I understand, both of the legislation and the actual budget are still in the process of being ratified. So it hasn’t officially been adopted from what I understand.

 

But anyways, why don’t you comment on that. What do you know, about the situation? Carolyn Yeager wrote a really good article on May first, that I’ll have linked when I post this podcast, kind of outlining everything and discussing it. And, of course, talking about the jewish organizations that were central in promoting this legislation. So go ahead.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m going to read that article. I haven’t read that article yet. But here’s what I know. It seems to be that the Criminal Code amendment, … See the Criminal Code of Canada already has this Hate Speech law in it, Section 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada. And they want to add this other part, to that specifically makes “Holocaust” denial a criminal offense.

 

Here’s the thing John, why did they embed this in the Budget Bill? Now, what does legislating how history went down. First of all that shouldn’t be legislated in the at all! I mean, isn’t it a ridiculous thing to legislate our history? Isn’t that something that historians should be dealing with, not the law?

 

But even if it was something that was appropriate for the lawmakers, what are they doing putting it into the Budget Bill? It kind of reminds me of I used to hear a lot about your Omnibus Bills in the States, where they would put, you know, maybe 300 different things within an Omnibus Bill, so that half the people, the representatives that are voting yay, or nay, they don’t even know what’s in it! They just go along with what they’re supposed to do. Like the party Whip tells them how to vote.

 

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So a Budget Bill, that’s an annual thing that happens every year. And the NDP in Canada that’s the New Democratic Party. There are, I’ve already said, they’re supporting the Liberal Party which has a minority. So they basically are constituting the government. And it’s already must have gone through the third reading, because it’s in front of the Senate right now.

 

I read an article, just a few days ago, what the B’nai Brith Canada, they are making recommendations of course, you know. That’s how it works. These jewish organizations, and B’nai Brith is 100% jewish organization, they make recommendations to the Senate on this new “Holocaust” Denial Bill.

 

So some of the things they’re saying is, well they want this word “distortion” in it, rather than “downplaying”. So anybody who distorts the so-called facts about the so-called “Holocaust”, that instead of this word, “downplaying”. I’m not sure what their reasoning on that is. But here’s the big one that we need to take note of they specifically say that they want to remove the ability for anyone to use “defense of truth” against the charges.

 

So if you’ve been charged with this “Holocaust” denial Criminal Code offense, then you cannot say in my defense “I have truth” in my defense. You cannot use that since, quote:

 

“The facts around the ‘Holocaust‘ are well established, and well documented.”

 

This is what they’re saying. I mean, isn’t that the mantra? Yeah go ahead.

 

John Friend: Well isn’t that a common tactic in some of these “Holocaust” trials where the judge will take, I believe they refer to it as “judicial notice”?

 

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

 

John Friend: Where they basically affirm the standard “Holocaust” narrative. And they basically say it’s common knowledge. And it’s not really up for dispute, or questioning, therefore you can’t even present your perspective. Yeah, it’s really, talk about like Orwellian, tyrannical like in your face!

 

Monika Schaefer: They brought up Ernest Zundel’s case, B’nai Brith did in their recommendations to the Senate. So they were saying, because Ernst Zundel, the retrial in his case, the court there took judicial notice that the “Holocaust” existed, and allowing a defense of truth would be a step backwards. This is what they say. This would be a step backwards.

 

Yeah, they want this, because otherwise this “defense of truth” can be used to repeatedly litigate whether the “Holocaust” happened. You see, they really don’t like it when the “Holocaust” goes on trial, because they don’t have any facts on their side.

 

John Friend: And they get exposed big time. Yeah, they don’t want any sort of discussion, or honest debate, or questioning, or just open dialogue on this subject.

 

Monika Schaefer: And the history of this judicial notice goes right back to the Nuremberg Trials in which Articles 19 and, 201, so people can look this up. We don’t just make this stuff up.

 

Those two articles in the Nuremberg Trials basically – just to paraphrase it because I don’t have them in front of me. But they said that evidence is not required, because it is something that is common knowledge. And something that is common knowledge does not require evidence. So if it is self-evident, it does not require evidence.

 

So they basically just declared the “Holocaust” happened. And there was not going to be any room for defense, or facts about what actually happened, or didn’t. Well, in particular, any facts that were telling the truth about what didn’t happen.

 

You see here they allege something happened. And then they put the onus on the people who are saying it didn’t happen, to prove it didn’t happen, which I really think that the onus is on the wrong people here. Like in all the cases since then, where they took judicial notice thereof.

 

And the Ernst Zundel trials in the 1980s, in Toronto, that was a big exception, where evidence and facts actually did make it into the court. And it was historical! It was absolutely phenomenal! And if I had taken the time and the care at that time – I was in my 20s – to read the fine print of the newspaper articles that reported on this, I would have learned a lot. Because the newspaper articles if you read the fine print, they actually did report a lot of what was said.

 

However, the headlines were still even portraying Ernst Zundel as kind of a madman, a bad man, maybe a crazy man. All those things, right. And also the radio. I mean, day after day. I remember my father liked to listen to the CBC radio news. And so it was kind of background noise. Actually, it wasn’t. I was out gone from the home. But I guess I listened to this stuff. It was background noise for me. I didn’t really pay too much attention to it. But all I knew was:

 

“Sounds like this guy is kind of a nut case!”

 

That’s how they portrayed him. However, if you had read the fine print [chuckling], you would have learned a lot! [chuckling].

 

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John Friend: Yeah. And realize:

 

“Oh, this guy actually makes a lot of sense!”

 

And is presenting a very legitimate and rational perspective. And he’s not at all this evil monster, or this irrational, jew hater, or something like that. I mean, he was a very knowledgeable, bright, funny, compassionate, very affable man. I mean, that’s how Ernst Zundel was. And that’s the way he came across if you just sat down and listened to him.

 

Monika Schaefer: All of the above is true! It’s so true! I mean, I’ve listened to quite a few of his interviews, and I’m telling you cannot help but like the man. And he is highly intelligent. And yeah, I mean, he’s a pacifist. He’s a self-proclaimed pacifist.

 

He came to Canada, I think he was 19, or 20 years old. He was a war baby he was born in 1939. So his childhood was kind of shaped by war-torn Germany. And then he wanted to go to a country where there was no draft, because of his pacifism, and this kind of thing.

 

And then it was sometime after he arrived in Canada that he started to learn about the truth about Germany. And he wanted to restore the honor of Germany and Germans. Like he wanted to restore the honor, because really Germany and Germans have been vilified and demonized, not just during and after World War II, but decades before that. And ever since! Don’t you think John? I think that the vilification of the Germans hasn’t really abated.

 

John Friend: No, you’re absolutely right! And I think it’s actually only expanded to incorporate the entire Western world.

 

Monika Schaefer: Actually, yeah, you’re right. It’s expanded to incorporate all White people!

 

John Friend: All White people, exactly.

 

Monika Schaefer: All White people.

 

John Friend: Well Ernest Zundel’s struggles to restore Germany’s honor are definitely carried on by people like you, and the Truth and Justice for Germans website, that society. I think that’s some very, very, very important work.

 

And really anybody talking openly and honestly about World War II, about the alleged jewish “Holocaust”, and engaging in historical revisionism sort of carries on this legacy, and I think it’s one of the most important endeavors. Certainly from a scholarly, or historical perspective.

 

Because this is one of the most weaponized narratives of history, that is constantly rammed down our throat! It almost seems like every month there’s some sort of like “Holocaust” Remembrance Day, whether it’s in America, or Israel, or any country around the world. There’s these “Holocaust” Museums everywhere! All across the world!

 

Monika Schaefer: They’re certainly ramping it up, aren’t they?

 

John Friend: Yeah, it’s insane! One thing I was curious, do you think that this is gonna backfire? I mean, won’t it sort of wake more people up to the concept of “Holocaust” revisionism, and get people to start to question, why can’t we openly discuss this one event in history? What is so special about this?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. I think you’re right. Although they just carry on, they carry on. However, I think what has woken people up, or caused people to maybe look twice at all of these things, more than anything else, is this last couple of years of this Covid scam! And all the things they’ve been doing to us with that!

 

I know a lot of people have gone along with it. But they do skew the numbers on that, too. I mean, I know we see masked people. And so a lot of people have fallen for it. And they’re very, very afraid of that very, very bad, bad, bad, virus! [chuckling] And now it’s going to be the Monkeypox!

 

But so many people have actually woken up. That is a really good thing. And so then it’s really important, it’s up to us to connect the dots for people that when we do talk about World War II history, the “Holocaust”, all these new laws and, …

 

John Friend: Okay Monika. I’m sorry about that. I’m not sure what happened.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it just suddenly lost.

 

John Friend: Yeah. But look we could just pick up right where we left off. You were saying something about how these new laws were gonna start sort of waking people up, I believe is where you’re going.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, basically connecting the dots with what they’re doing right now with the Covid scam, what they’ve been doing in the last two two and a half years, with all of that. So many people know there’s something not quite right with that. And so this is the time when we really need to connect all these dots for people. That these things are not separate from each other. They’re not in little boxes, and categories, separate from each other. I think that is really important right now.

 

John Friend: Yeah. I know. I tend to agree with you. And that’s also what some Civil Liberties groups in Canada are saying. I’m looking at an article here from the National Post, which I believe is one of the top newspapers in Canada, correct?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

 

John Friend: Like one of the more mainstream.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it’s definitely mainstream.

 

John Friend: This is an article from May 19th. So just a couple weeks ago. And the title is “Government Bill on “Holocaust” Denial Ineffective and Likely Unconstitutional”. Civil Liberties group. So the Civil Liberties group is basically saying that this is not even going to work. And it’s probably illegal! Let me just read a couple excerpts here from this article:

 

“Civil Liberties groups say a proposed law that would make “Holocaust” denial a criminal offense is likely unconstitutional and unlikely to be effective in dealing with anti-semitism. The Liberals have included a proposed change to the criminal law in their budget that would make, quote ‘condoning, denying, or downplaying, the “Holocaust” a criminal offense’. Cara Zwibble, director of the Fundamental Freedoms Program at the Civil Liberties Association said the Bill is more about politics, than actually addressing anti-semitism. Quote ‘we are opposed to this. But that’s not, because we don’t think “Holocaust” denial is egregious, and terrible. And it’s not, because we don’t think it’s harmful. It’s because we don’t think that the criminal law is the way to approach it.’ she said ‘We’re talking about putting people in prison for things that they said.’”

 

Yeah, it’s so crazy! Like we have to say that out loud. Like that’s literally what they’re saying. Like, we’re gonna throw you in jail for something that you said!

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. I did see that article. And I think that that Civil Liberties group is a controlled opposition group. Well, you can see that just from what they say that:

 

“Oh. It’s not that we don’t think that “Holocaust” denial is egregious.”

 

And basically terrible and evil. But that we should just have freedom of speech. So yeah. What do you think? I think it’s controlled opposition. However it’s hopeful that they said this law wouldn’t even work. But I don’t know what to make of that. It could be just, … They kind of create the frame for what we’re allowed to talk about:

 

“But oh, “Holocaust” denial is still really bad!”

 

And so pretending that we have true opposition to it. I don’t know. What do you think about that?

 

John Friend: It’s interesting. I think you’re probably right. It probably is some sort of limited hangout, controlled opposition type group. Just like the ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union] is in America.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

 

John Friend: And if they were genuine defenders of Civil Liberties and free speech, they would be suing the government to prevent this Bill from even being passed, because it’s a total violation of freedom of speech. Which I believe is actually enshrined in the Canadian Charter, right?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. I mean, …

 

John Friend: Maybe not to the extent it is in the First Amendment.

 

Monika Schaefer: It’s not like what you have in the States. And actually, I can’t really address that right now. I’m not fresh! I’m not sure exactly what’s in there. But it’s not like what you guys have. Like we always look to the Americans for any remnants of hope for maintaining that freedom of speech, even! You guys don’t really have it either, because they find other ways to go after you, right?

 

John Friend: Oh, absolutely! Well, one of the big concerns that this lady has with the Civil Liberties group is that she actually cites in this article the case of Zundel, that we talked about previously. And she basically wants to prevent a trial like that from taking place, which would give somebody like Zundel, or somebody like you, or I, a platform to make the arguments against the official “Holocaust” narrative. And so that’s one of her big concerns.

 

She also talks about how there’s already basically laws on the books that criminalize promoting hatred, which is tied into questioning the “Holocaust”.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that’s Section 319. And I mean, people like Arthur Topham. He was chased, and criminalized, and dragged through the courts for more than a dozen years. And they used that Section 319, this Hate Speech law. So really that would be my answer to what we just talked about a moment ago about do we have free speech in Canada. No! They say:

 

“We do. Oh! But hate speech is different!”

 

Right. So all these countries and, you know, where lawmakers, where they say:

 

“Oh yeah! We have freedom of speech. But this is different. Like hate speech is different!”

 

In Germany, when I was in jail. And I would tell fellow prisoners what I was there for and I said:

 

“Yeah, just for words spoken.”

 

And they say:

 

“Oh, no. That’s not possible. We have total freedom of speech in Germany! It’s in the gungazettes [sp]!”

 

Which is the foundational law. And then I would tell them but it was about the “Holocaust”. And they’d say:

 

“Oh yeah! That’s different!”

 

John Friend: Yeah, that’s different! Yeah. You can’t question, the “Holocaust”! You can’t criticize, or say mean things about jews. I mean, if we really do have free speech, then we should be able to question, the “Holocaust”. We should be able to question any aspect of history, no matter what it is. No matter whose feelings it hurts. No matter who gets upset by it. We should be able to openly discuss, and talk about, and criticize specific groups of people, whether they’re jews, or blacks, or Whites, or whatever.

 

I mean, certainly we can openly criticize and condemn White people!

 

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Monika Schaefer: Oh. That’s the only people you can openly criticize and condemn these days. That’s the only group of people you can do that to! And like that’s just fine, White people.

 

But here in Canada right now it’s getting to the point where you can’t even point out anything about what the native people are doing, factual, or otherwise. It doesn’t matter. That’s like your “Black Lives Matter”. We’ve got the equivalent going on with the native people here. And we had those supposed mass graves found. Not a single bone has been found, or dug out.

 

John Friend: It’s basically another atrocity propaganda hoax.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, it is.

 

John Friend: Yeah, it is. It absolutely is. I’ve followed it. In fact, I wrote an article for American Free Press. It’s probably been about a year ago. But I remember Lauren Southern did the documentary about it. That was really well done.

 

Monika Schaefer: So yeah, people don’t want to talk about it. Because they know that it’s to their advantage to kind of just conceal the fact. Like they didn’t want to talk to Lauren Southern when she tried. And no, no! They don’t want to do that, because she would expose that, gee there might be some problems with these graves that they supposedly “discovered”. And so the native people it’s in their interest to keep it hush-hush. They’re going along with the mainstream agenda that is basically to elevate them into some higher status.

 

And it’s to get Whitey off the land here. I mean, the bills that they have passed, Bill C-15, it’s one that basically is out to dispossess us of our lands. I was recently visiting a friend in Powell River, BC, and the natives there are trying hard, or it’s a handful of people are trying hard, to change the name of that city. And I mean, it just goes on and on. It’s basically dispossess Whitey.

 

John Friend: It’s White genocide.

 

Monika Schaefer: It is.

 

John Friend: I mean, it’s part of the broader, global, White genocide agenda.

 

Monika Schaefer: It is.

 

John Friend: Taking place in every formerly Western country, including Canada, including the United States. Including basically every country in Europe. It’s obvious. It’s on display on a daily basis. And yet it’s never presented in these terms. It’s never pointed out this way.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and why is it that it’s happening all over the world in White countries, all at the same time? And the same things get reported in the press, like almost word for word for word. Some people sometimes put together these little sound bite collages, where reporters in Australia, reporters in New Zealand, Canada, United States, and UK, everywhere they’re saying virtually using the same words when there’s some new idea, or new event, or new something.

 

John Friend: It’s like they all have the same talking points as if they’re somehow like internationally coordinated through some sort of like jewish secret society.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah!

 

John Friend: Right. And, of course, we’re referring to the Kahilla, which is a word. And it’s something I was sort of familiar with that I come across in doing research over the years. But you actually sent me an interesting article that we’ll talk about here in just a moment. There’s just a couple things I want to mention more in this article from the National Post. And then we can move on and discuss that topic.

 

Let me just pick back up here. There’s just a couple of last excerpts that I wanted to read here and get your take on. The article continues. It says:

 

“The new Criminal Code offense was included in the Budget Bill, but a near identical piece of legislation was also moving through the House of Commons, as a private member’s Bill, which was introduced by Conservative MP Kevin Waugh.”

 

Again, I’m not sure if I’m pronouncing that correctly. And I sort of alluded to that previously. It says here:

 

“The Budget Bill is currently working through the House of Commons. It also includes funding for education programs around racism and anti-semitism, as well as 20 million dollars toward a “Holocaust” Museum in Montreal.”

 

And then it quotes the Simon Wiesenthal Center President and CEO, Michael Levitt. And he’s basically advocating in favor of this new Criminal Code, saying that:

 

“Anti-semitism is on the rise. “Holocaust” denial is on the rise.”

 

Which, I don’t know. Is that true? I mean, you live in Canada. Are there people out there like denying the “Holocaust” and condemning jews left and right? Is that going on? It’s like the jewish community, you read the jewish press, you read like the ADL, you follow groups like the ADL. And every single day there’s a report about how anti-semitism is rising in Canada, in Germany, and Brazil, in Argentina, in Australia! Everywhere around the world! It’s like this constantly reinforced meme and persecution!

 

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Who does that? Who is it that sets up events that make it look like oh anti-semitism is on the rise? And which high-ranking rabbi was it, maybe you remember, who said that anti-semitism is their best friend! They create these things, like when there’s gravestones that have been painted with swastikas, or whatever.

 

It’s always jews who do that, because they need to have this idea, this meme out there, that anti-semitism is on the rise! It’s not like there’s people out in the streets standing on their pulpits saying.:

 

“Yeah. The “Holocaust” didn’t happen!”

 

I mean, yeah. I think a lot of people are waking up to the truth about that the jews lie about history. And they’ve been lying about events. And that they’re behind the Covid thing. And I mean, a lot of people are waking up to what the jews are actually doing. But when they call this:

 

“Anti-semitism is on the rise!”

 

You know, maybe they’re really scared and worried, because people are starting to wake up to their game. And what they’re really doing.

 

John Friend: Right. It’s like those memes of like the rabbi on the telephone:

 

“The goyim know! Shut it down!”

[chuckling] And that’s what it is. It’s the organized jewish community, they simply cannot have anybody knowing and looking into what they’re up to! They can openly do these things, and talk about how they want to fight anti-semitism, and lobby the government for more money for “Holocaust” Museums, for Israel, for jewish organizations.
I mean they run like one big extortion racket. It’s like one big international criminal conspiracy that they openly, … You follow them and read what they have to say, or hear what they have to say, in their press conferences and stuff, and this is how they operate. Yet, if you notice it, and if you’re opposed to it, or criticize it, then you’re some irrational hater! It’s totally ridiculous!

 

Monika Schaefer: You just have to point it out, right, John. You just have to point out what they’re doing in real time. We don’t even have to talk about history, we could talk about what they’re doing in real time, reporting things from their own press. But they see that you are noticing. And then they call you “anti-semitic”. They call you the “hater”.

 

John Friend: And all of their puppet politicians line up and say the same thing and back this stuff up. And pledge their unwavering support for Israel and the jewish community, and how they have to continue to fight anti-semitism and bigotry, and all this other nonsense! They’re all totally controlled, at least almost every single one of them.

 

Monika Schaefer: And back to that Civil Liberties organization and that article that you were quoting from. That’s why it bothers me when groups like that, just the fact that they’re such controlled opposition. The fact that they had to put that in there:

 

“Oh, it’s not that we don’t think that ‘Holocaust’ denial is egregious.”

 

Because really what they’re doing is they are propping up and supporting – by making that statement – they’re supporting this money being spent on these “Holocaust” Museums. Like this huge budget amount that goes towards the “Holocaust” denial prevention, or whatever they want to call it.

 

John Friend:20 million for a museum in Montreal! Why does Montreal need a “Holocaust” Museum? And if they do, why can’t the jews themselves organize money to fund it?

 

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And then there’s that Kotler, Irvin Kotler, I think is his name. He’s the minister in charge of whatever it’s called. I don’t know what the ministry is called. But somehow this anti-semitism ministry, or whatever!

 

John Friend: He’s like the anti-semite, or anti-semitism envoy. Like the US government has a position it’s a ambassador level position in the State Department. The Envoy to Combat Anti-semitism. And it’s that hideous jewish witch, Deborah Lipstadt!

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, my!

 

John Friend: Yeah, she was recently nominated and was actually just sworn in recently. I put up an article, it’s actually on American Free Press’s website and on my website right now. It addresses it and talks about her position. And I think we’ve actually talked about it previously.

 

It’s a position that was basically created by the federal by the US federal government to basically advance jewish interests around the world. And there’s positions like this in almost every Western country. You could look at Canada, you could look at the UK, you could look at all these European countries. And almost all of them have some sort of like anti-semitism envoy.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

John Friend: That’s there to sort of prevent the goyim from knowing, right.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Why don’t they have a minister for preventing the hate that’s being told and spread about White people? Why don’t they have a minister that’s in charge of teaching people about our own history, and about our own heritage, and about our own culture, and all that stuff? No! Like they don’t teach that!

 

And in high school curriculum in Canada, my friend showed the high school curriculum to me, the Social Studies curriculum. And I just was astonished! I thought:

 

“Wow! If all the White children don’t commit suicide before the end of the school year, I’d be astonished!”

 

Like it was nothing but guilt! Guilt! Guilt! Guilt! Not one stitch in there about anything about their own European heritage! Where they came from, their culture, their traditions. Nothing! It was all guilt!

 

John Friend: It’s psychological warfare.

 

Monika Schaefer: It is!

 

John Friend: That’s what it is. It’s weaponized narratives designed to target us at a very deep emotional and psychological level. The way Western history is presented all over the Western world, it’s presented as if White people are the oppressors, like the evil people that have been responsible for all of the world’s problems.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

 

John Friend: When in reality, like an objective assessment of Western history, would be 100% the opposite. And this is what was so astonishing reading Mein Kampf, and hearing Hitler present it this way.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Who goes to Africa to build schools, or to volunteer to dig wells and whatnot? It’s always White people who do these kind of things!

 

John Friend: Yeah. Who’s cleaning up the parks on the weekends? Who’s cleaning up the harbor? Who’s cleaning up the streams and the rivers and the lakes? Who’s taking care of the environment? Who’s taking care of the homeless?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Who takes care of the beached whales! Like who does all that?

 

John Friend: Who takes who takes care of these refugees, in their little dinghies washing up on shore in Italy, or Greece, or California? I just saw a video the other day of a bunch of Mexicans – I’m assuming they were Mexicans – well, you know, Central Americans, Mexicans, washing up and just scattering as soon as they got on the beach. Just running for the hills basically!

 

Who’s taking care of the unwashed masses of the world? Well it’s White people! It’s White money. It’s White societies. And, of course, it’s all part of this broader jewish plan. But yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: It’s this guilt thing John. There’s just one thing that just popped into my head. When I was in Powell River and I attended a meeting where the public could talk about this name change, pro and contra. And there were these young White women, you know, blonde, blue eyed, young women. Those were the ones who were the most fanatical about that we must change the name. And they were saying things like:

 

“Oh, I’m fifth generation colonialist!”

 

And this one in particular, still the image’s in my mind, like she was just about in tears. She’s feeling so guilty for her forefathers fifth generation colonialist! She’s absolutely just dripping with guilt! And I’m thinking:

 

“Oh, you poor girl!”

 

She’s been traumatized.

 

John Friend: Yes, she has had her mind poisoned!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

 

John Friend: By anti-White, jewish propaganda! That’s it. I mean, that’s what it is. And it’s totally unacceptable!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

John Friend: So it shows how effective this propaganda is. And we have got to take control back of our destiny, and think for ourselves, and stop listening to these people. Because this is how they present everything. It’s always the White, you know, devil’s fault for everything.

 

And it’s just totally not even true, first of all time objectively. We ought to be proud of founding America, and founding Canada, and founding all of the great civilizations in the world, all throughout history.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Yes indeed. That’s why it’s so important to tell the truth about our history. That’s what it comes down to. Because we have to, like you say, take pride in our people, love our people. And also if we are so ashamed of our ancestors it means that we don’t want to take on their traditions, or keep their traditions alive. Which means that there’s a vacuum.

 

And what does that vacuum get filled with? Smut and degeneracy that the jews are pushing on us!

 

John Friend: Every time! All throughout history.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

John Friend: Well, get this. There’s one last thing here I want to quote from the article. And then we’ll move on. They quote a guy, a David Taylor, who’s a spokesperson for justice minister David lametty. And he’s basically saying he’s representing the government. He’s basically, again advocating for this law. And he says:

 

“Our government takes the fight against anti-semitism and all hate crimes very seriously. No jewish Canadian should be subjected to racism and hateful rhetoric. That has no place in our country.”

 

And this sort of rhetoric is exactly what you hear from US officials, and British officials, and German officials, and any government spokesman, the whole world over, essentially. And this guy Taylor, the spokesperson for the justice minister, said that:

 

“They are confident that the Bill will stand up to any judicial scrutiny.”

 

And he says, … Get this. Okay. This is the hypocrisy and the double think you have to engage in to actually take what these people say seriously. He says:

 

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental freedom protected under the Charter. Like all rights and freedoms it is not absolute, and maybe subject to reasonable limits under the Charter. This Bill was reviewed for consistency with the Charter. It is our government’s position that the offense is consistent with the Charter. And this proposed new offense mirrors existing hate crime provisions.”

 

So I mean, again, think about it. The total hypocrisy of our elected officials, who say they support free speech and freedom of expression, yet they back bills criminalizing using free speech and free expression, and freedom of intellectual inquiry to basically criminalize anybody that is voicing criticism, or skepticism of various aspects of history, especially the alleged jewish “Holocaust” narrative.

 

So I mean, it’s just a total, in your face, blatant hypocrisy, that is just insulting!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. The Charter, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that has that “not withstanding” clause in it. And while that excerpt from the article didn’t exactly say those words, the “not withstanding” clause, you did refer to it though, where reasonable limits like “subject to these reasonable limits”. So yeah, we have all these rights except for there need to be these reasonable limits. That comes from this “not withstanding” clause. Which is like basically okay you have this Charter. And then you just shred it! It’s just well, worthless!

 

John Friend: Right. Well, you have free speech unless it offends jews. And then you don’t. And then you don’t have free speech [chuckling]! Either jews, or they’re like puppets, you know, minority groups that they’re manipulating and using to advance their anti-White agenda. That’s basically what they’re saying. So we’ll see. It’s pretty outrageous.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing calls for legislation similar to this in the United States. Shortly after the alleged shooting in Buffalo, which took place a couple weeks ago. And that’s a shooting that I have a lot of questions about. An alleged shooting, I should say, because I’m not even sure that anything like that even really took place there. It looks extremely suspect.

 

But anyways, immediately after that there were calls for more domestic terrorism laws. And they passed a resolution in the Congress that was approved by everybody except for one representative Thomas Massey, a Republican from Kentucky. And it was an anti-semitism resolution that condemned “Holocaust” denial, and condemned anti-semitism, and condemned unquote “conspiracy theories”, like the Great Replacement, which they say is this delusional conspiracy theory.

 

Meanwhile you look at any demographic statistics from any city, any state, any Western country, and it clearly shows that there is, in fact, a great replacement happening. And the White European demographic continues to decline. And we’re going to be replaced in the countries that our ancestors founded!

 

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And I think it’s kind of interesting that they can call this “conspiracy theory”, and they call it bunk when those same politicians, or their colleagues, can talk quite openly about how:

 

“Oh by the year such and such, Whites will be in the minority in this region, that region. And the other regions.”

 

John Friend: They celebrate it! And they brag, and they boast, and they celebrate it. Yeah, exactly!

 

Monika Schaefer: They celebrate it. And then on the other hand they’re saying.

 

“Oh. This is just a bogus conspiracy theory! Where’d you get that idea?”

 

John Friend: Well, that’s the psychological warfare. That’s the gas lighting! The in your face abuse that you’re supposed to sit there and put up with.

 

Monika Schaefer: Thank you. “Gas lighting” is a good term for that. It really is! It makes you crazy have isn’t it? I mean, it just makes you crazy. That’s what they’re trying to do. That’s what they do with that kind of stuff.

 

John Friend: Yeah, exactly. It’s enough to drive you crazy! It makes me crazy just sitting here thinking about it. [chuckling] Yeah, it’s outrageous. And yeah, we’ve been talking about this sort of stuff for a long, long, time, over 10 years. And you start scratching your head. It’s like:

 

“Is anybody paying attention? Are we going to actually do anything about this?”

 

I think we’re making some progress. But it still feels still feels very, … I don’t want to say hopeless. But I think the political solutions are very, very limited at this point.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, definitely! The political solutions like in terms of voting and getting representatives, … I mean, like Ezra Pound’s words on democracy. He says:

 

“Democracy is jews speak for country run by jews.”

 

John Friend: Yes. Absolutely! Well, Hitler said the same thing about democracy. One of the best books I’ve ever read is For My Legionaries by Cornelius Codrianu. A Romanian, basically like National Socialist type revolutionary figure. Are you familiar with that book?

 

Monika Schaefer: No, I’m not.

 

John Friend: Oh you’d love it. Yeah you got to read it. It’s great! I can’t remember off the top my head. But I want to say he was active right around the time that Hitler was as well. But anyways, the book is outstanding. And he basically makes the same points that basically in a democracy whoever controls information, whoever controls the media, basically controls the government. And that’s exactly what we have in every Western country. And it’s been this way for a very, very long time!

 

Monika Schaefer: It has.

 

John Friend: And that kind of leads us into the next topic. This Kahilla sort of organization that you actually brought to my attention shortly before we started the podcast. And I’m going to have a link over to an article that was actually published at the Renegade Tribune, renegadetribune.com. A really good website. I used to sort of be affiliated with the Renegade Tribune. But they still do a lot of good work. And it’s an excerpt from a chapter in Ben Klassen’s book, Nature’s Eternal Religion. And you can actually download that book online for free as a PDF. I’ll have a link to do that in this podcast post, when I post it. And this chapter talks specifically about the Kahilla. Am I pronouncing that correctly, by the way?

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s what I think. I might be wrong on that. But I just have Kahilla. I’ve heard that word for a long time. But I didn’t really know what it was all about until I read this article. It blew my mind! Right. Well it’s basically like an organized secret society of jews based on a very strict hierarchy. And this would explain how they’re able to instill and reinforce these narratives and talking points in public policy all across the world. Right?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes. This principle of sevens, did you want to talk about that, or would you like me to talk about that briefly?

 

John Friend: Yeah, go ahead. And then there’s a really good excerpt that I’ll read from the chapter. But yeah, go ahead. I want you kind of explain it to us.

 

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Monika Schaefer: So over the entire world they’ve got a leader in the Eastern hemisphere, and a leader in the Western hemisphere. And the Eastern hemisphere is based out of London. The Western hemisphere based out of New York City. That’s where the headquarters are. It’s on the “sevens principle”. So there’s seven layers of seven so okay they make decisions. And there’s a board of directors. That’s 300 people. They have to be over 60 years old. And they are full bearded jews, okay.

 

So there’s board of directors. They’ll discuss things and make decisions. And then this leader in the Western and the Eastern hemisphere, they each call seven people that are under them, and tell them do this, or do that. Then those seven call each of them call seven under them. So you got 49. Then each of them calls seven under them. Now, I don’t have the numbers in front of me. Then there’s seven layers like that. By the seventh layer you’ve got almost a million people in the Eastern hemisphere. And in the Western hemisphere, each.

 

So you’ve got like over one and a half million worldwide. And it’s very secretive. The people who are being called, they’re all jews, of course. They don’t even know who each other are. And they carry out this agenda. And that’s why really any one of them only has to make seven calls. And then there’s the seven layers of this. And that’s how you can get this huge number of people.

 

And these jews have insinuated themselves everywhere, like into organizations, into government, into media, into everywhere. And that’s how they can so quickly have their agenda unfold and be in lock step with one another world wide! I mean, it is amazingly fast and efficient method to communicate.

 

And in 2017 Alfred was on a speaking tour in Canada. And he talked about internet stuff. And he talked about this jewish internet before the internet existed. And I don’t think he named the Kahilla, or named this specific method of organization. But he said that they long before we had heard about any of these things, they had their methods of communicating really quickly all over the world. And I guess this is the method. This is how they’ve been doing it I don’t know how long this specific, the Kahilla, has been in existence. But this is just incredible!

 

John Friend: Yeah. You’re right. You make a lot of good points. And it’s an interesting way of looking at the situation. I don’t know if there’s too much concrete, hard proof, of the existence of this sort of organization. Maybe it existed at some point in history. And I’m not even denying that it exists today. I wouldn’t be surprised if it does. But you can just look at the way jewish organizations network with each other. And the way they coordinate. And they’re all on the same page, always!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

John Friend: And most of these organizations have connections to the media. They have connections to the government. They have connections to synagogues, local synagogues, international. So they’re all very, very, well networked and organized.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Church organizations, not just synagogues, right. But there’re all the other churches, they’ve been all infiltrated. And then teachers organizations.

 

John Friend: In Masonry, unions, exactly.

 

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely.

 

John Friend: Well, let me just read briefly an excerpt here. It says here:

 

“With a secret, dedicated, fanatically loyal organization, with this kind of structure it is easy to see how orders can be communicated and carried out with the minimum of delay, or red tape. When the hemispheric head of the Kahilla gives orders to his seven, from there on there are only six steps down the line of command in order to have every one of the one million Kahilla members notified in short order. All that is necessary to make seven sets of phone calls down the chain of command. Remember each man only has to make seven calls to the seven men below him, and in a matter of minutes the whole network of one million members has been given their marching orders. This is how the jews manage to set in motion strikes, agitations, student riots, or whatever is the order of the day, all over the world at the same time. This is the leadership principle at work. Among other things the Kahilla members are taught to infiltrate the management of our schools, colleges, and universities, in order to indoctrinate our younger and rising leaders with their false philosophies.”

 

And it goes on to discuss how they’ve also infiltrated media organizations, and other secret societies, like Freemasonry, and the Catholic Church, and the Jesuits, and things of this nature. So this actually makes a lot of sense. And even today I don’t know if necessarily it’s this sort of a hierarchical. Because there are so many jewish organizations that are so well networked and connected. That it’s almost this is just how they operate.

 

I mean look at how like the Black Lives Matters protest got off the ground, back in 2020. Nationwide in a matter of one night, virtually every major city in the country had a major, basically violent revolution at on their hands! That’s how these people operate.

 

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Monika Schaefer: That’s right.

 

John Friend: We see that same thing going on recently with the Supreme Court leak. I don’t know if you followed that, but somebody within the Supreme Court. It had to be one of the clerks working for one of the Supreme Court justices, leaked a draft opinion that would have basically overturned Roe vs Wade. And it was leaked to the media.

 

And almost overnight there were massive protests. And all these radical crazy abortionists, and feminists, and Antifa. And all these very crazy like Left-wing radicals were out in the streets. They were protesting in front of Supreme Court justices private homes. They were surrounding the Supreme Court in Washington DC. I mean, like literally like an insurrection organized instantly. That’s how these people work. That’s how these people operate. None of that happened organically [chuckling]!

 

John Friend: No! Absolutely not!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. No, it’s quite something isn’t it?

 

John Friend: Yeah. Anyways, very interesting. I’m glad that you brought that to my attention. Like I said, I was sort of familiar with the concept. But that article is very interesting. And if anybody’s interested definitely check out the article. And you can even download the full book and read it. I’ve actually never read Nature’s Eternal Religion. I am familiar with Ben Klassen. I know he’s like very anti-Christian which has always kind of turned me off to his writings, and his work, and stuff. I haven’t really investigated it all that closely. But for anybody interested it’s there. You can find a link to it when I post this program. Was there anything else you wanted to mention about this topic?

 

Monika Schaefer: No. We could move on.

 

John Friend: Okay. I gotta ask you really quickly. And we don’t have to spend a lot of time on this. I’m just curious if you have any opinion on these alleged mass shootings that have recently taken place. I talked extensively about the alleged shooting in Buffalo with Russ Winter on a recent podcast. So I’d encourage everybody to check that out if they haven’t heard it already. But between then there was also another alleged shooting in Texas, which was very, very bizarre. It almost looks like, …

 

Monika Schaefer: You’re talking about this Uvaldi [sp], or whatever it’s called? It just smacks of false flag, and lots of problems with that.

 

John Friend: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m not somebody who has looked into and researched all the details there, but right away a lot of red flags went up. So I think that there’s a lot of problems with their story, with the authenticity of it.

 

John Friend: Absolutely. It’s one of the most bizarre official shooting stories that I’ve ever heard. It very much reminds me of like a Mexican version of Sandy Hook! Like Sandy Hook was extremely bizarre. And the interviews with the alleged parents, and none of it added up. The official story didn’t make any sort of sense. And it’s the same exact thing in this case.

 

I actually just read an article that was published by the New York Post – so not some like random blog on the internet – talking about how there was a drill, a mass shooting drill, that took place in the same town at the high school. But this was back in March. And so it seems like there’s always like some sort of drill involved leading up to an alleged mass shooting. I don’t know what to make of that. But it is very interesting.

 

And if you just read the official story. I mean, it’s literally like the most asinine, ludicrous story! This kid shoots his grandma in the face with the weapon that he only recently purchased. He apparently bought two of these high powered assault rifles. Which, I mean, they’re like thousands of dollars. Where is this kid getting the money to purchase these weapons, to purchase all this ammunition? He had tons of ammunition. How was he carrying it on himself and like running around and shooting everybody.

 

He apparently got in a truck and drove his truck into a ditch. If you drive your truck into a ditch how are you not injured? I mean, he like instantly like jumped out of his truck and was like running around and like shooting people, shooting at people. And then he entered the school, and the door was opened by a teacher. [chuckling] I mean, it’s just like the most ridiculous story!

 

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