Mark Collett: Hello everybody, and welcome to Patriotic Weekly Review, episode number 276, I’m live tonight. I say I because my guest has not arrived yet. He’s informed me he’s running a couple of minutes late, but he will be here shortly. But at the moment, it is me alone and I am live on Odysee. I’m live on Dlive. I’m live on Rumble and I’m live on Entropy.

 

Now, as always, you know how difficult it is for me to get the word out about these shows. I’m de-platformed on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, on all mainstream social networks.

 

So if you can, please do share this show, because I’m sure when my guest arrives tonight, it’s going to be a fantastic show. It always is when I’m joined by Woodlander. Something to look forward to.

 

Now, I do have some bad news. I’ve been promising a review of Europa: The Last Battle for two months. Last month we had somebody who was ill, and this month somebody’s way on holiday.

 

So that’s going to have to be postponed again, unfortunately, to October. So I’m sorry for people who are looking forward to that, this weekend. However, it will still be happening. I’m certainly not giving up on the idea. I didn’t sit through nearly 13 hours for nothing! And it is an excellent documentary. So it is something we are absolutely going to be doing. And I apologise to people who were looking forward to that.

 

Now, I will be back on Friday, and on Friday I do have a special video. Now I’m doing a video all about the new laws that are coming in. So Yvette Cooper has announced a “Hundred Day Sprint”, whatever that means, to identify extremism and ways to target extremism. And I’ve picked apart her statement and broken down the likely changes in the law and the way those will be implemented in order to take away our freedom of speech. I think we’re moving rapidly in Britain towards a surveillance Police State. And the kind of surveillance Police State where the government basically take away many of our protections and drop the threshold for what will be known as “incitement” for material that’s likely to incite hate, whereas before it was something like “incitement to racial hatred”.

 

But I explained it all in the video, and that’s going to be out at 01:00 pm on Friday, as always. So look forward to that. And please do remember, I always have a video out every week. I’ve done that since 2016. I’ve been very consistent in doing that. And last week’s video Protesters Jailed Paedophiles Walk Free is still available, will always be available, and remember, they’re always free. There’s no paywall.

 

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Now, before my guest arrives, I do have some news. Now, as we know, there has been over a thousand people arrested due to the anti-migrant protests that took place after the murders that happened in Southport. Those anti-migrant protests, some of them did end in disorder, and there have been a number of people arrested.

 

Now, the sentences being handed down are absolutely scandalous! You’re seeing sentences being handed out to 18 year old lads of 20 months for kicking a police van. I mean, I’ve never seen anything like it. And if you’ve been watching my social media, I’ve been comparing and contrasting these sentences with the sentences that BLM rioters got.

 

So there’s a greater comparison. A young black lad, he tried to set fire to one of the union flags at our cenotaph in London. He was 19 years old at the time. A judge gave him a suspended sentence.

 

Basically, the slap on the wrist. Told him he’d been a naughty boy, got a bit silly and off he goes home. Keep your head down. Don’t get into trouble again.

 

Young lad kicks a police van at an anti-migrant protest. 20 months in jail!

 

Now, I’m pretty sure that if you asked most people in this country what they think to an 18 year old lad kicking a police CCTV van, they would say, that’s unacceptable. If you ask them, should that young man go to jail, I think the answer would be unanimously, “no!” Sending somebody to jail for something like that is just overkill. It’s unfair. It goes against natural justice. Natural justice suggests that you should never be given a sentence that is disproportionate to the crime being committed.

 

[06:17]

 

So if you kicked a police van maybe you get a fine to pay for the dent, to be buffed out. Maybe you get community service to learn to be a good member of society. But jail for 20 months is ridiculous!

 

Now, equally, if you ask most normal people, what do you think to somebody who went to our cenotaph in London, a memorial to our war dead for multiple generations, and tried to set fire to the country’s flag? I think people would have a much harsher view of that kind of criminality than of somebody who kicked a police van. Yet this guy got let off!

 

Now, because of these injustices and because of the ridiculous sentences, and there has been some really terrible sentences. There’s been one where a mother of five has been jailed, so her kids are going to miss out on their mum for at least a year or more. Absolutely scandalous! I’ve seen cases where Muslim paedophile rapists have been spared jail because the Muslim’s wife didn’t speak English, so he had to be allowed out on the street. He had to be allowed out on the street because his wife couldn’t do the shopping. You know, she couldn’t get around. She needed him as an interpreter. She relied on him. But a mother, a White mother of five, she’s got to go to jail.

 

So you will see on our website, patrioticalternative.org dot UK, and you’ll see on our social media. We are the only group that has stepped up. We’re the only group that are doing something about this. We’re the only group that actually cares. And you can tell if somebody cares because they do something, they don’t just pay lip service to it.

 

We have started a fundraiser. We’ve already raised over 8,000 pounds for people who have been unfairly sentenced, and specifically for the families of those who have been separated from their mother, their father, their primary carer. So if people have children, if there’s an elderly man who’s cared for by his son, and his son is now in jail, we intend to discover who those people are and give them substantial donations.

 

So the more needy will get more, etcetera. That is something we’re doing. We’re also compiling a full list of people that we believe fall into one of three categories. The first, people who said things on social media, you shouldn’t be going to jail for things you said on social media. Simple as that.

 

Number two, people who have been unfairly sent to jail. So, you know, for basically non-crime. So people who kicked a police van. A guy got sentenced to jail for shouting at a police dog, another man for gesturing at the police, and one guy for simply being their world disorder take took place. People in that second category are people who were arrested and jailed for what were effectively non-crimes.

 

And thirdly, there is another category, people who were arrested for things that were undoubtedly crimes, like kicking a police van or throwing a rock. But these people have been jailed for a vastly disproportionate amount of time, that is years for something minor. We are compiling a list of people who fall into those three categories. People who said things on social media, people who committed non-crimes yet were jailed, and people who did commit minor crimes but were given harsh sentences. We’re compiling a list of those people were trying to get their prisoner numbers so that we can write to them, offer support to them, and give them any legal advice they may need.

 

This is a huge campaign. If you can help in any way, please, please check out what were doing both on social media and on our website, which is patrioticalternative.org dot UK.

 

The wandering Woodlander is finally here! How are you doing, my friend?

 

The Woodlander: I’m good. Hello, Mark. Sorry for my lateness. It couldn’t be helped. Traffic and whatnot. Should have left earlier.

 

Mark Collett: So it could have been helped? xx As always. zz As always. Yes, indeed.

 

So how have you been, my friend?

 

The Woodlander: Yeah, good. I’ve had a good day. It’s been a mad week, as I’m sure you’ve discussed. Interesting, though, Mark, really interesting. The things that have happened over this last week and the way that Starmer has introduced legislation and set precedents, which will be interesting to see going forward.

 

The one for me is that it looks like what he’s trying to do is to say that the government are the only people that give you the truth! And if you say anything other than what they’ve said, that is now misinformation or disinformation, and now they’ve criminalised publishing disinformation and misinformation!

 

So if you say anything that goes against what the government has put out, it looks as if that could be criminal. When you can get put in prison for misinformation, and they’re saying that only what they put out is the truth, then surely saying you don’t agree with the government would be misinformation. And that’s dangerous territory. But that does look like what he’s trying to do.

 

Mark Collett: Well, it actually goes further than that, if you don’t mind saying, and I’m getting a bit of feedback off your mic, Woodlander, every time I talk. Yeah, thank you.

 

So it goes further than that. I’ve actually read the documents that have passed this into law. And it actually doesn’t just criminalise misinformation and disinformation, it creates another one of these two tier systems.

 

[12:20]

 

So there are a number of exceptions that have been carved out in the legislation. So if you are sitting in Parliament, if you are working for an approved major broadcast, so that will be like ITV, Channel Four, Sky News, BBC. If you write for what they class as a major newspaper. So again, The Times, the Telegraph, the Mirror, the Sun, the Mail, the Express, or if you are somebody that they class, as you know, a leading member of the establishment, so you’re in the judiciary, you’re a leading police officer, you’re somebody who’s important to the establishment, you are exempt!

 

So this means if you’re a journalist and you say, like some of them have in the past. So I’ll give you an example. When there was the riots in Knowlesley, one journalist wrote this horrific newspaper report saying that it was all my fault, saying that I was the one who’d stirred it up. I had specifically sent people there, I was coordinating this, and they later had to retract that. It was later retracted because it was misinformation.

 

In fact, it was more than misinformation, it was a complete lie! Because there was nothing to base that on. I’d never said that. And on all the streams, you could go back. I’ll always say to people:

 

“Don’t attend protests after night, after dark. If you come to a PA protest, there’s no drinking. We’ve got to be as well behaved as possible. Don’t get involved in violence. If you think there’s going to be violence, probably best not to attend because you’re only going to get yourself arrested.”

 

This has been my mantra consistently since I started doing these shows in 2016.

 

Now, despite all that, this guy lied!

 

But if you were to then say, I’m ringing the police and I’m reporting you for spreading misinformation or disinformation about me, the police would immediately say:

 

“No case to answer. Because he is doing that through a major newspaper that there’s an exception for.”

 

So at this point, you’re not just creating a Ministry of Truth, you’re also creating some kind of level of hierarchy where if you are part of the establishment, you get a pass. And no matter what you do, you cannot be found guilty under these laws because they simply don’t apply to you.

 

The Woodlander: Yeah, I think we’ve all seen this coming for a long time. It seems that it’s happened really quickly since Starmer got in. But to be honest, I think he’s playing a playbook. I think this was already scripted out. All they were waiting for was the reaction that they got after those horrendous incidents. It could have been at any time, it just happened that it was a week, or a month into his premiership.

 

But I think this has been on the cards for a while. A huge legal crackdown on dissent and countering what’s put out by the government. And it’s really dangerous ground. We all know this historically, the communist playbook, where this leads to. And it’s getting to the point. I mean, we’re seeing it play out in real time at the moment, which is if you disagree, if you dissent, you’re off to the Gulag! Literally.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I completely agree. And these new laws, well, I’m actually doing a video on it on Friday on these laws, and not specifically these ones about misinformation and disinformation, but about these counter extremism laws, how they’re basically conflating extremism with terrorism and how they are dropping the threshold of what you need to do, which is the most worrying thing.

 

So the old threshold was if you were inciting racial hatred, you had to use language that was “abusive, insulting or threatening”.

 

Now, that’s quite a high barrier because if we’re sitting here tonight and we are saying:

 

“Well we don’t believe migrants should come here because they commit crime at statistically at a higher rate than the native population and they often target young girls. And this can be proven because X, Y and Z.”

 

That’s not threatening, it’s not abusive and it’s definitely not insulting. It’s just a calm statement in effect calling for policy change. But under new laws, they will say:

 

“Well, is that likely to incite hate?”

 

And it doesn’t have to be abusive, threatening or insulting. Somebody just has to say:

 

“Well, could that make people dislike migrants? Could that make people hate them?”

 

And all of a sudden, because you’re not on the BBC, the social media platform you’re on, because they’re talking about bringing back the Online Safety Bill again, but making it more robust.

 

So the platform you’re on is going to get a fine, you’re going to get a knock on the door, and it will make it very difficult for people to actually say really anything unless they’re part of the establishment. And if they’re part of the establishment, they’re going to say nothing anyway!

 

So that’s that!

 

The Woodlander: Yeah, it is, literally. Look, they’re criminalizing dissent, at the end of the day. And we saw this play out in the Covid pandemic, which is any dissent is instantly labelled “far-Right”.

 

And yet they will never, they will never define far-Right! I think that’s something we all need to push for, is a definition. This is a term they use all the time. What do they mean by that? Because if they can define it, you’ll find that most people will fall outside of it, or their definition is going to be so broad that it will encompass the whole of the British public. But it is something we need to hold them to account on, which is you keep using this term and yet you refuse to define it’s going to be a difficult one.

 

[19:09]

 

Mark Collett: Well, without tooting my own horn, I will say this. I predicted this years ago, but without using the term “far-Right”, I made a video years ago called What is a Nazi? And it had a provocative title because I wanted people to watch it. But at the time, the term “Nazi” was being, was the sort of go to term for anyone who said anything about immigration, said anything about multiculturalism, criticised the behaviour or criminal behaviour of migrant groups. You were called a Nazi. But Nazi was never defined.

 

However, it was made absolutely clear that it was okay to punch a Nazi. And you had Richard Spencer punched. And all these Lefties were putting the footage of Richard Spencer being punched in the face into their YouTube videos thinking it was hilarious! Punch a Nazi was trending on Twitter. And I was saying:

 

“Well, what is a Nazi?”

 

This is the problem when you get to call anyone you want a “Nazi”, but equally, you get to punch anyone who’s a “Nazi”, it gives you pretty much carte blanche to punch anyone you want because you’ve branded them this sort of cover-all word for somebody that you don’t like. Because that’s all it is. You know, no one’s properly going to define what I am.

 

And I’ve always been quite, … If I’m in public, I’m talking to normal people, I’m a nationalist. If I’m talking to people like yourself, my audience, people who are more initiated, I will differentiate and say I’m an ethno-nationalist because I believe there is more to nationalism than just waving a flag and living on a patch of land. I believe it’s blood and soil.

 

Now, that’s very important definition. But at that point, if you were to sell that to normal people and say to normal people:

 

“Look, I believe that to be an indigenous Brit, which is who I represent, you have to be of European stock and you have to have British ancestry that goes back a number of generations.”

 

And it is more likely that Europeans who have come here will integrate. And because of that, we want to restrict mass immigration from the developing and third world into Britain and put strict quotas, for that matter, on people coming from Europe because we don’t want to be chopping up our countryside, destroying our last bits of ancient forest and living like basically, like I said, sardines in a can. We don’t want to live that.

 

Now, if you say that to normal people, most normal people would say:

 

“This guy’s not a Nazi, he’s talking common sense!”

 

But according to the Left, you could just walk up to me and punch me in the side of the head for saying that. And you get polite applause from people in power.

 

And remember, at the time, all of this was sort of bubbling away, people like Theresa May were quite happy for people to be punched. People in the Conservative Party were quite happy for these terms to be thrown around and people to be victimized.

 

But now “far-Right” is a much wider reaching slogan. And that’s where I was wrong. I thought they were going to leave it at Nazi. So Nazis, the ultimate bad guy, you call some a Nazi, it gives them the right to hit them.

 

But now it’s far-Right. But what does far-Right apply to? Because the Guardian and certain certain large sections of the broadcast media, they would say anyone in Reform and Nigel Farage are far-Right.

 

So at that point I think they’d have a problem defining it. So they won’t it’ll be a law that’s purposely fuzzy around the edges, an umbrella law that can be applied, as and when they see fit.

 

The Woodlander: Yeah, exactly that. A lot of this legislation that’s coming through now is so vague. The Online Harm’s Bill, again, everything in there is vague. And we know why they do it. They do it so that they can use it against anyone they wish to, any time they wish to. And they don’t have to apply it when they don’t want to.

 

I know you’ve been talking about it and I’ve also, I mean I was on a stream last week and I was saying:

 

“Look, the thing we need to be pushing for now is a White British advocacy group.”

 

That was picked up by Academic Agent and re-shared the video that I did saying we need a White British advocacy group, that can liaise between the public and the authorities, that can liaise between the public and the press. And it’s going to have to be a group that isn’t political.

 

A lot of people said:

 

“Well what about Nigel Farage? You know, he’d be great as a, as an advocacy for the White British working class.”

 

The problem is he’s part of a political party and it would then look like actually what he’s doing is campaigning for votes.

 

What we need is someone that isn’t a political party that is set up to advocate for the rights of the White British! And I say White British because that’s the government’s own terminology so it can’t be used against us. It’s what’s on the census forms. But that organisation needs to look at all criminal cases, but not just criminal, social injustice. And it needs to contact local MP’s where this is happening and demand a response:

 

“This is happening in your area. Are you aware of it? If you are, what are you doing about it? If you’re not aware of it now, you are. What is your response? And we require a response from you!”

 

And then we can contact the press and then we can contact the police.

 

If there’s a riot, or a protest with any other group the police will go and speak to “community leaders”. Now these community leaders aren’t voted in by the Asian community or by the Somalian community or by the Afghanistani community. These are self appointed community leaders. We need someone, some advocacy group that is going to be the community leader for the White British, so that if there’s a protest going on, they go and speak to them and maybe we can get to the term where we can tell them how to police it, which is what happens in all other cases. It’s a hard ask! And I’ve said this on the stream, it’s going to take money to build an organisation like that. And it’s going to take ongoing commitment. But this doesn’t need a billionaire backer. It doesn’t need a millionaire. I’ll tell you what it needs. It needs the people! It needs the people listening to this to go, do you know what? We do need one. And if every single person gives a little bit, all of those little bits add up to, enough!

 

You’ve just raised 8,000 pounds for the families. We need to be doing this on a regular basis. We need legal representation. We need to be able to hire top class legal representation. We need to fight these cases! We need to fight these cases, as many as we can, and tie up the legal system, right? And it’s going to take time, it’s going to take money, but this is something that we have to do and is possible to do! So we need to do it.

 

[27:04]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I agree, and I don’t know if you heard all the intro that I gave while you were sort of coming into the house, but I was talking about the outreach campaign that PA are doing at the moment. We’ve raised over 8,000 pounds for families have been affected by these harsh sentences and this two tier justice system.

 

We’re already creating an outreach for prisoners and we’ve split because, look, I know that some of the people who have been jailed probably did pretty stupid things. So, like if somebody tried to set fire to a building or torched a car or was out looting, we’re not going to be raising money for them. But we are raising money for people who said things on social media who have been jailed for non-crimes or arrested for non-crimes or jailed harshly for minor crimes. So there’s been a major abuse of sentencing. And we’re doing that.

 

And also what you said about liaising with the police, we do that regularly. So we had a demonstration in Hull recently. I’m proud to say we’re the only nationalist group in the whole of the UK that during those anti-migrant protests, we didn’t turtle, we didn’t disappear, we went out, we were on the streets, we did a protest, we liaised with the police and we had about 60, 70 people at the protest. It was really, really good!

 

But it wasn’t just good, if you watched it, where was the police presence? Well, we had two police liaison officers, because we sorted it out with them beforehand. I speak to them in advance, I run through the things we want to do, I come up with a plan, I decide with them, where we’re going to meet up, how long it’s going to last, how we’re going to arrive, how we’re going to leave, know, assurances are given.

 

So, for example, if it’s a PA protest, I always say to the police:

 

“Look, when we’re done, everybody who is with us will immediately depart the area of the protest and we will drive, you know, 10, 15 minutes away to go for a drink and have something to eat. No one is sent onto a city centre, no one’s sent down the road to the pub around the corner.”

 

And we reassure the police that we are going to do that peacefully. So when you see a PA protest, there isn’t lines of riot police in the shot because they’re simply not there. You saw that in Leeds when we did the protest and demonstration in Leeds when Sam was jailed. And you can do these things if you’re willing to actually engage. And we have engaged at every level.

 

So when they were thinking of bringing in the new extremism laws under the Conservatives, we wrote a robust letter to both Mark Rowley and to Sarah Khan laying out our points and basically voicing our disgust that we were mentioned that way. The same when Michael Gove mentioned us in Parliament.

 

And I think one of the big problems we’ve got as nationalists, and this does need discussing, and I’ve said this to people privately. So many nationalists have been so used to taking a beating and I mean that metaphorically and sometimes literally, that every time some injustice occurs, they just take it! They’re completely stoic and they take it.

 

However, we found that if you start issuing legal letters, if you start writing to the prisons, if you start protesting, if you work within a reasonable framework and adopt some of the tactics that the Left used in the 1960s during the Civil Rights Movement that can be directly applied to our movement.

 

And you and I have had long chats offline, I made no bones about this. I am not a huge fan of the electoral system. I’ve got an article actually, that’s being published in Heritage and Destiny laying out what I believe is that it’s a 3, 500 word article. It comes out in this month’s Heritage and Destiny, laying out what I believe is the future for the movement. I think ethno-nationalists need to get serious. Adopt a White civil rights approach. Stop messing about with these Parliamentary elections. If we do fight elections, they have to be on the basis of nationalist independence in localised areas where we can win.

 

But we have to focus on the things that we can do where we not just pouring tens of thousands of pounds into an electoral system that’s stacked against us, where we’re going to get 0.7% of the vote and be a footnote at the end of the election.

 

So when you look down that table and you see the top three, the only votes that count are the votes for the winning candidate. That’s the first thing.

 

But when you look down that table and you see others down below, outside of the top three, we’re just that little footnote in that election. But it might have cost us two and a half, 5,000, 10,000 pounds to fight just one Parliamentary by-election. And for what? For nothing!

 

But as you will be able to tell us, 10,000 pounds could go a long way for other things.

 

[32:21]

 

The Woodlander: Look, you’re talking my language! I was involved with the BNP, I think, before, I left when you joined, probably. I did a lot of looking. I spent a decade working within those organisations, those small political parties and activist groups. And it’s just apparent. It was apparent that the system was never going to allow those people near the levers of power. It might allow them to climb up slightly so that they were viewed by the public, and then they were squashed! And that was visibly seen by the public.

 

I watched UKIP rise from the back pages of This is England magazine, as this tiny little group under Goldsmith, be co-opted and turned into a pressure valve for the British people to allow their frustrations to come out. But it was never going anywhere as a political organisation! The political route has been blocked for quite a while.

 

And if you look back through nationalist history, the BNP was the most successful in a hundred years! A hundred years! Thousands of people, millions of man hours, millions upon millions of pounds spent to get us to the position we are now! Which is still exactly where we were 100 years ago, out there in the Wilderness.

 

If in just the last 30 years, we put those man hours and that money into buying property, into buying land, into investing in our people’s businesses, right, we would be the wealthiest organisation in this country. We would then be able to, … It’s not political people that hold the power. The Conservative Party might have been a very powerful political party, but I can promise you they were beholden to the people that fund them! They’re beholden to people like the building industry. They’re beholden to the man that gives him half a million quid. They have to do what they want. And this has been going on for years now.

 

People need to understand the real power comes through being powerful! Businesses, landowners, corporations. And this is something, this is an Avenue we haven’t explored. I think I heard you say the other day:

 

“This is fertile ground!”

 

Mark Collett: What I actually said was basically Morgoth. Morgoth said:

 

“Nature hates open soil! And it immediately tries to claim open soil and something will grow there.”

 

And that was an interesting point. But what isn’t open soil, what’s already a tangled mass, an overgrown mess, is the political space. And at the moment, the biggest and most fertile growth in that open space, from our perspective, is Reform.

 

And no one’s going past that. They’re going to live underneath it. It’ll block out the sunlight. And there isn’t going to be any nationalist tree under that because there’s not space.

 

However, there is fertile open ground adjacent to where Reform is. And that’s what I’m talking about going into. I’m talking about White civil rights, I’m talking about land acquisition, I’m talking about advocacy, I’m talking about what the Left did in the 1960s.

 

Now, the British people, I talked about this last week, so we’re not going to go back over this, but I said basically last week on PWR that the British people have been conditioned that the civil rights approach is the right approach. You can’t undo that conditioning. So all we have to do is apply that approach to our cause and they will naturally see our cause in a different light, which is important.

 

But something else is important. Now, I’ve been mischaracterized on this, and I think I’d like you to sort of speak about a little bit about this as well, because you and I have talked about it offline. You don’t have to unmute your mic, but did you see the debate I did with the “little man”? Yes. Well, the little man tried to mischaracterize me and say that I wanted to sort of go and live in tiny enclaves where there was like six or seven of us, and I just die there peacefully. That’s not true.

 

I’m saying go to somewhere like Savile town in Dewsbury and what do you see? An entire functioning Muslim community with its own schools, its own shops, its own community centres, its own religious buildings, its own medical care. They have their own food, their own clothes, the signs are in their own language.

 

The whole thing is its not three houses on an estate next door to each other. They just barbecue together on every other Sunday. It’s an entire community!

 

And if the rest of Britain said:

 

“Right, we’re never coming to Savile town again.”

 

They would completely, as long as they could get their food and their amenities in there, they would still function completely as they were. They don’t need outside people. They even have their own supermarkets.

 

And I’m not talking about three or four houses. I’m saying that if we want power, power comes from a heartland like that. And once you own the institutions within that heartland, it bonds the people in the heartland together so they are more likely to act as a group. We have nothing like that. And people can laugh at me and say:

 

“Oh, what are you going to do? Run away to a tiny Hamlet and have eight little houses together?”

 

Well if it starts with eight little houses, it starts with eight little houses. But what I’m saying is there are parts of the country that are still 90% White. British little towns, villages that could become White heartlands where nationalists move to and capture the local amenities, take over the local community centre, run the scouts. You know, if there’s a local they don’t call them schools anymore, but there’s academies where parents essentially run them as a cooperative. Why home-school? Who wants to home-school when you’ve got your own school that the parents run! And that’s what the Muslims do.

 

[39:32]

 

The Woodlander: This all comes down to one thing, which, and I think this is happening, which is we have to collectivise, we have to understand we are a group. For far too long we’ve all thought of ourselves as individuals, but we’re the only group that thinks of ourselves as individuals, and that’s always going to leave us at a disadvantage.

 

But you’re dead right about. I mean I’ve also had a back and forth with young Alec and I give him his due, I respect his enthusiasm. He’s kind of where I was 30 years ago and I’ve tried to explain some things to him and I think he doesn’t quite understand what I’m saying, which is, that’s fine. It’s not about cutting yourself off. I mean it did get to the point where he said:

 

“You know, anybody who leaves a big city to try and improve their life is a coward!”

 

And I don’t really know how to answer that.

 

Mark Collett: I do! I can answer it for you. I can answer it if somebody says that to me, I say:

 

“Well, then you’re a dickhead!”

 

Because fundamentally, if you’ve got a daughter or young children and they’re going to be a hated minority and their life is going to be a living nightmare, because you’re in a city centre and you can take them to an area where they can flourish and you can help them. If you don’t do that, you’re not [word unclear], everyone wants the best start.

 

The Woodlander: I mean, I know that that. I think he’s a bit confused. But what you’re saying is dead right. The argument against it is not everyone can afford to do that. Well, actually, you might be right in the beginning, but here’s what happens when you start to take control of an area is, you do buy property, and then you can say to those people still stuck in cities:

 

“Listen, do you want somewhere to live? Because we’ve got some properties and we can help you out here.”

 

So you can actually start to help your people, really help them! Not by saying:

 

“In 15 years time we might be able to halfway get into a council.”

 

No, that’s not really helping your people. If I say to a young man in Manchester who desperately wants to get out because he’s got a wife and a young daughter:

 

“Well, I’ll tell you what, I’ve got a two bedroom house here, right? It’s usually going for 300,000. We’ll arrange the mortgage for you because we’ve got a special deal and it will cost you no more than the house you’re renting at the moment!”

 

Now I’m helping someone. Now I’m able to help our people.

 

People know what I’m doing, buying land. And there’s two parts to that. There’s the initiative, which is open to everyone in our group, so members can use that land.

 

But there’s also members that want their own part. They want to buy their own bit of land, and that’s cool! By grouping these people together, we’ve now actually managed to buy two, three plots of land where people own their own individual plot. What they do with that and how we work that, right, is interesting because I spent hours upon hours talking to a solicitor the other day who actually said:

 

“I think we’ve got it nailed down. I should be able to get something through so you can put buildings on that land for people to live, legally.”

 

Now, if it comes off, I could be saying to people:

 

“Listen, I’ve got a two bedroom house. It’s ten grand. Ten grand! Are you interested?”

 

Now, this is real positive steps forward, right? I mean, I’ve got young children. I say young. My boys are in their thirties. And one of them is in a rented accommodation, the same as many 30 year olds. He’s got a wife, he’s got a baby and it’s a tiny little place and he can’t afford anything else. They’re working people, they can’t afford to move, they can’t even afford a place with a garden! And that’s horrendous! So imagine how good I feel when I say:

 

“Well, here is a two bedroom house. Have it!”

 

Why? Because I can build that. And with the people I’ve got involved with me, we could probably knock it up in a weekend. I’ve got builders in there, carpenters in there, I’ve got wood merchants in that group. We’ve got every skill you could possibly think of, right? We’re going down to some land that we own at the end of this month to build toilet facilities, shower facilities, so that people who do go there camping, especially the young ladies, have got somewhere they can clean up and go to the lavatory. Not like the gentlemen who just go beyond the oak tree. But that will be built over two days!

 

We can do that because we’re collectivising! We’re coming together to do something in a positive way that will help people. So much better than saying:

 

“Do, you know what? Join the group, give us ten pounds and hopefully in 20 years we’ll sweep to power.”

 

Which is a fantasy! I don’t know what to say, really.

 

[45:05]

 

Mark Collett: Look, I fundamentally agree with you. And this idea that we’re going to get success in the places where we are the smallest minority and have the most pushing against us is just idiotic! I mean, it’s like me saying to somebody, look:

 

“Your military is most likely to break through in the area where the enemy is strongest.”

 

People would laugh at you. That’s the analogy. To create a situation where we can break through, we need tactical withdrawal from the cities and towns that we’ve lost.

 

So, it’s like saying to somebody, I think Newham in London. So if you look at all 331 council boroughs in England, so you’ve got, like, bigger ones like Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, then you’ve got smaller ones. And London’s made up of multiple council areas, but the worst council area out of them all in the whole of the UK is Newham, which is only 14% White British.

 

Now, anyone that would suggest that would be a fertile ground for us would be insane! You would actually be looking for the ones where we were in abundance.

 

For example, you know, no one would say to a Muslim cleric:

 

“The place you’re going to do the best is in a place that’s 90% White British and there’s only three Muslims.”

 

That’s why they cluster together. But I want to say this as well. Woodlander Initiative is not PA. I don’t own this. Many of people who are members of PA are part of Woodlander Initiative, but I absolutely endorse this. I absolutely endorse this! And what this man’s doing is amazing!

 

And everyone should endorse this, because it’s a genuine solution. It’s something that works hand in hand with other solutions as well. So PA aren’t buying land and putting up toilet blocks. We’re not doing that. This guy is. This guy is Pooling money to purchase land. But Woodland isn’t doing the White civil rights stuff, that’s us. We can work together, the two groups can work together and we can help each other. And we’re already working with groups like Workers of England, Union. We’re already doing legal advocacy in that way and we intend to continue. It’s a good idea.

 

But let’s just segue away because we talked today, I have three things that I wanted to talk to you about. One was your solutions. The other was two tier justice.

 

But there is an increasing number of White British ethno-nationalists that are now leaving the UK to live abroad and some of them are forced to do that. Obviously, everyone knows Tommy Robinson’s left.

 

There’s been a lot of talk about David Clews because he has been wrongly named by papers, he’s been singled out by the government. They seem intent on destroying that man’s life and his wife’s life. And he has now left the UK.

 

And interestingly, as these people were leaving the UK, Russia have now made overtures to people in the West who are victims of what they have called “Western neo-liberal policy”.

 

And I’m not going to just talk about Russia because if I do, there’ll be a load of people going:

 

“Ahh! But this and that and the other!”

 

I’m going to talk in a broader sense. Russia aren’t the only country doing this. There are other Eastern European countries that have welcomed White dissident political figures and their supporters on the basis that:

 

“If you come here, you stick by the laws, you don’t do any harm to our government and you just basically want to criticise British government from our soil. You can live here in peace and we’ve got no problem with it.”

 

What do you think about that for a solution? Because it’s one of those interesting points where I don’t want to sound like I want to run away, but a lot of people are looking at this seriously.

 

The Woodlander: I’ve had the “running away” finger pointed at me so many times, I’ve lost interest with it. I’ve had the opportunity to move out of the country quite a few times. My parents moved out of the country, moved to Spain for many reasons. They just saw the country they once loved slowly becoming worse. So they moved to Spain. I could have moved out there. It was a much better standard of living, a better healthcare system, but I didn’t. I stayed.

 

I stayed and built a business, and I’ve got grandkids here now. I completely understand why someone would. If someone’s single, or a young couple, there are better countries. And that’s a horrible thing to say! And it leaves a sour taste in my mouth to say it. But sadly, Britain is becoming so restrictive, I mean, massively restrictive! And I don’t see that getting any better. We will have to wait and see.

 

But I think next year is going to be a turning point. They’ve been very open with that date of 2025 and again, 2030 on loads of different documents, they seem to be specific dates. That could be why he’s going in so hard and fast now. The Online Harms Bill, the new legislation, it just doesn’t look good.

 

There is another group in America as well, I mean, you’ve talked about Eastern Europe and Russia, the Return to the Land organisation, who’s run by one of our guys in the Ozarks area in the States. They purchased 158 acres. That was their first purchase. Broken up into roughly three acre plots. They’re building hash homes. They’ve built a school, they’ve got an academy. They’ve got businesses set up on the land. They reckon they will be able to take over their local government, the sheriff and the local government within two years, because there’ll be more of them than there are people in the village. It’s quite interesting. So there are opportunities outside of this country.

 

What I would like to see is groups like PA, groups like the Woodlander Initiative, groups like the British Democrats that are running the political site, coming together, sitting around a table, and working out a way forward where we can all work together. Right? This has needed to be done for a long time, and I’m up for that. I think we can do something here, I really do. But it would be handy to have people in other countries, just in case it all goes pear shaped.

 

[52:34]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I agree, and I’ve been to one of these unity meetings, and other than two people who stormed out like children, everyone else got on and agreed to a plan of action.

 

And one of those plans of action was not to stand against each other. If there was going to be a demonstration, the idea was that groups would ask each other first. We would try not to hold demonstrations more than sort of once every four to six weeks, because it was destroying the demonstration scene. Good ground was made and lots of people who saw that were interested in attending future unity meeting. So maybe you and I should have a talk about that and arrange that.

 

But one thing I’ve got to say is I’ve never been drawn to going to Spain, but I do have a particular fantasy. And before anyone says anything funny in the chat, not that type of fantasy. I love these places where you can buy sort of 8 square kilometres woodland, and then there’s a house made of glass, wood and steel in the middle of it.

 

And it’s like one of these super technical, modern like, but retro buildings at the same time. So it’s all modern and beautiful and spacious, but it’s made of wood and glass. And when you wake up in the morning, you see the forest and you’re surrounded by the trees.

 

And that would be more my style than running away to the south of Spain for what they get in Spain. I’m not really up for that. But if I was going to go, which I have no plans to, that would be my, … You know, the sort of thing. I mean, where if you bought it in this country, it would set you back like one and a half million, but if you bought it in some Eastern European country, it would be like 150 grand!

 

The Woodlander: Well, again, I’ve been speaking to the lads on the Return to the Land Organisation in the States. Their land has increased in value massively just by doing the work they’ve done on it together.

 

And I can give you some sort of example just on the plot I bought. I bought two acres of woodland, I built a cabin. I didn’t break any laws to do it. And it’s here and it’s fine. I built this. It’s increased in value now about 500%, which isn’t a bad markup. So there’s things you can do and there’s things you can do as an organisation and as a company, where you can generate income and then you can plough that back into helping our people, which is all I’m actually doing.

 

There’s so many more avenues where we can help the people and that includes political parties that we want to back as well. For too many years I’ve listened to people say things like:

 

“Oh yeah, but we’ve got no financial backers.”

 

Okay, that’s fine. Let’s grow our own then! Let’s build some businesses where people do become wealthy and they can put money into it. Laura knows this all too well. You know, she started the tea company and that’s a fantastic thing! But we should be looking at all of our people that want to start businesses, help them out, build them up, have somewhere that they can advertise their goods, all of this sort of thing. Grow the businesses and that money will come back into our group. It’s obvious, really.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I fundamentally agree, and that is what other groups do.

 

And I’ve said this on streams before. You know, when Mr Akhtar wants to buy two new tyres for his car to get it MOT’d, he goes down to Mr Javid’s tyre yard. And when they take it to get the car MOT’d because he’s got his new tyres on they go to Mohammed’s MOT centre. They don’t go to the big chain organisation like Quick Fit. They don’t go to the little White guy on the other side of town and give him their business. They keep their money in their own communities. And that’s something you can’t do if you live in an area where you’re a tiny minority.

 

And to me, what you’re saying with what they’re doing in America, it’s funny because all these people who talk about the need to fight elections, they don’t understand how you win elections. You win elections from having a community group. Let’s say, because Australia and America are great examples of this. I’m a huge fan of watching real crime documentaries. And when you’re watching these, you often find out about almost abandoned towns in places like America and Australia because sometimes horrible things happen there and you’re watching it and they say this almost abandoned town in Australia was a place where the criminals took their, … You’re thinking:

 

“How can there be an entire town that’s abandoned?”

 

But if a hundred nationalists move to that almost abandoned town where there’s only 100 people there currently, well, straight away they’ve got 50% of the vote and the electoral side of it comes naturally, off the back of just being a natural majority.

 

And like you said, with these guys in the States, by the time they rejuvenated one of these small towns that they bought land up around and they’ve got 100 families living there, it won’t matter whether people hate them. It won’t matter whether there’s an anti-fascist candidate. It won’t matter if a group like an American version of Hope Not Hate comes and leaflets every house, they’re automatically winning every single election! Just as Muslim groups have done here. And these things, ironically, the things that we’re talking about, despite us saying the electoral route is off limits to us at the moment, the things we’re talking about would actually allow for total electoral victory on a local level!

 

[58:52]

 

The Woodlander: Exactly that! If you have enough people an area, you win the council seat and you run the council. And the money comes down from government and you spend it in your community, you hand it out to the projects that you want to. And we understand this because when it was called the “Loony Left” in the eighties and they were getting the money from government and they were spending all these stupid Left-wing projects, we could do exactly the same. But for our people! It’s not rocket science, right?

 

But in order to do that, you need to take control of the area with the people first. So either buy the land and build the homes, or buy the homes and move in the people, grow businesses, buy property, all of these different Avenues, which we haven’t done before. And within two to three years, you are a very powerful groups, and able to help!

 

Mark Collett: Also, I do think at the moment, and this goes in the face of what we just said, there is a viable route for ethno-nationalists who are not face out and have not shown their hand publicly to get elected. And that is actually through the Reform Party. For the first time in the history of electoral politics in the UK, a political party standing on an anti-immigration platform has returned candidates to Parliament.

 

Now, this presents opportunities, but it also presents pitfalls. No one is going up against them and beating them. In fact, they will destroy anyone who goes up against them.

 

Secondly, going up against them would actually be a really stupid thing. And I said this to someone the other day, I said:

 

“What’s going to happen if people keep thinking along the lines of the electoral route is there’s going to be five tiny nationalist parties, the Heritage party, British Democrats, you know, Reclaim, several of them will all stand in a Parliamentary by-election. Reform will also stand. Reform will take about 12,000 votes. These parties will all take 200 each, totalling 1,000 votes and Labour will get 12, 100 votes.”

 

And you’re actually going to get a situation where squabbling tiny nationalist parties that didn’t get a significant portion of the vote actually ensured that Labour took a seat and that would be a disaster?

 

Now, if you are a young, bright male or female, you’re looking at the ethno-nationalist movement and you’re thinking:

 

“Look, Mark, look, Woodlander, I really like what you’re saying, but I am really passionate about elections. I want to be out canvassing, I want to be out leafleting, I want to be out knocking on doors and asking for people’s votes. I want to do that. And Mark, you did that when you were younger.”

 

My advice is go and do it! But basically cut ties or cut public ties with any ethno-nationalist group. Don’t go face out for ethno-nationalism. Enter Reform. Keep your views intact, keep watching these shows, keep your close friends. You aren’t going to tell people what you’re up to. Move through the ranks of Reform, get yourself on that Parliamentary ticket and maybe in five years you’ll be an MP! At which point you can use your Parliamentary privilege to say what you want about mass immigration and Keir Starmer and two tier policing!

 

The Woodlander: It’s far easier to do, than you would realise. When I left the BNP, in 1997 when Blair was elected and I’ve been following his trajectory. I joined the Conservative Party and everyone was like:

 

“What are you doing?”

 

But I joined it at a time when they were at the time at their lowest point. And I wanted to see would it be possible to move nationalists into the Conservative Party and move it to the Right. Within three months of joining the Conservative Party, I sat on the European committee. I was shadowing an MP at the House of Commons. They were already talking about putting me into a safe seat as an MP in two years time. They put me down to run as a councillor, even though I said even if I won, I wasn’t going to run as a councillor. They were saying:

 

“No, but what we want to do is get your name on the ticket so that you’re a known brand. We will then take you out of the council thing and put you into the MP bracket.”

 

All of these different things. And yes, I met Thatcher, had dinner with Portillo, and all of this stuff. All my opinions never changed. I didn’t change my opinions! But I’m able to talk to Lord Stockton 1 minute and my mate works at the rubbish tip the next without annoying either of them. So it’s just common sense really, how you move through those ranks.

 

You would find if you joined Reform that you wouldn’t need to keep your views to yourself. I bet 90% of the people, the grassroots membership, which is what I found in the Conservative Party, that the grassroots membership of that party were just as Right-wing as I was, really! It’s just when you get to that very top level, when you get to the Tices, when you get to the Farages, they are corrupt at that top level!

 

And that’s what I found with all of the MP’s that I was mixing with and talking to and watching the dealings that was going on. It was corrupt as hell! But below them there is an opportunity to speak to people, to explain things to people, to move the whole thing further to our point of view. Without a shadow of a doubt!

 

[1:05:26]

 

Mark Collett: I completely agree. And I think it’s sort of we could do this Superchat out of order because ThinRedLine gave $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“In my opinion, one does not expect exclude the other. Why not do both build communities and seek political power at the same time?”

 

I think we’re kind of answering this now. There’s two ways that we can gain political power.

 

The first is build the communities and then local power would naturally come from that.

 

And secondly, using what is now an established and very electable brand, to parachute our people into winnable seats.

 

And I think in five years, time. Look, Stamar’s already crashed the plane, you know, he has already taken it into a nosedive. Look at what he’s managed to screw up in a month and a half. You’ve had multiple stabbings of people, all by migrants. You’ve got him going mental and calling for two tier policing and restrictive new laws. You’ve got them cutting winter fuel allowance for 10 million British pensioners. When we say British pensioners, look at the population pyramid. Pensioners in this country are the Whitest segment of the population pyramid.

 

So you’re going to be talking 90% of people affect the by that, if not more, will be White. He’s cutting their winter fuel allowance. He’s also talking about upping inheritance tax and screwing families out of their family homes.

 

They’re talking about pay per mile taxation for your car. So you’re not just going to go and get your car tax, you know. So I know people who’ve got very small and efficient petrol cars where you don’t pay any tax on them, because they fall under the threshold because they don’t present any form of pollutant.

 

And also I do know people with electric cars, not that I’d want an electric car myself. And they don’t pay any tax because they don’t use fossil fuels.

 

Now, these people are soon going to be told that you are going to be taxed and you’re going to have to fit a little black box to your car and every mile you go, you’re going to have to pay so many Pence to the government. And also that little black box will track you wherever you go and let the government know where you are at any given time. Labour are going full in on this! And they’re also going full in on allowing migrants to come here!

 

And I think it’s only a matter of time, and this is a pretty safe bet. It’s only a matter of time before eventually they have some kind of amnesty and they say:

 

“Look, all these illegal immigrants, they’re now British, so they’re staying here.”

 

Now, all of this is going to build Reform into, especially in Red Wall areas, the official opposition. You’ve already got 34 seats where Reform are in second place. And that second place when the Tories are in government. Imagine what it’s going to be after five years of Labour, after five years of Labour. People are going to be seething!

 

And what’s more, many of the people who have been unfairly arrested being victims of this two tier policing, live in Red Wall areas. I think embedding yourself in the Reform Party now and looking to four or five years down the line, that could be an electoral solution. Look, I’ve been in political parties before. There are very few activists. So the BNP, even at its height, with 14 and a half thousand members at its annual conference, just under 200 people, that was its key activist base.

 

Now, I should imagine Reforms will be probably about the same, because it’s a very elderly party. There’s a lot of older people in it. A young, active, fiery person willing to go leafleting once or twice a week is immediately going to be the go to person in that branch or in that region to take the best seat, because most of the people they have just won’t be active.

 

The Woodlander: No. And that’s the point. If you’re actually willing to do things within a political party, because most people are, most people are members, but never do anything.

 

If you want to get involved and you volunteer for things, you’ll be the guy running the Reform business club, which is what I did at the Conservatives. So I ran the Conservative business club. I was instrumental when rebuilding the Young Conservatives in the southwest. I started a new group called the Thirties to Forties Club, which was after young Conservatives of the 30 to 40s.

 

Now, all of these things were things that I said:

 

“Well you know why don’t we do this?”

 

When you’re talking to a bunch of people, … When I joined, the average age was 75, maybe 76. That was the average age of the people in the Conservative Association in the southwest. And it was like they didn’t do anything! Apart from their luncheons or their suppers once a month. And they’d have a speaker and they put some money in a kitty. They didn’t do anything.

 

So if you get someone who’s in there who’s active, who says:

 

“Look, we should be doing this, we want to get active on social media. We could do this. Let’s start a new group to get involved with education.”

 

You’ll be the guy they’ll be looking to get it done. It may as well be our guys in there doing this. That’s better for us. And in the long run it’s better for Reform as well. You will find Reform slowly moving to our way of thinking.

 

[1:11:32]

 

Mark Collett: I completely agree. Well, we’ve got another chat on this issue, which we’ll do out of sync. Jez 9999 said:

 

“If what the majority of the membership thought mattered, the Conservatives would have massively cut immigration. Joining Reform and trying to say anything Farage considers unacceptable is a complete waste of time. You’ll be kicked out immediately!”

 

We’re not saying join Reform. And then whip out your copy of your favourite nationalist book and say to Farage:

 

“Right, read this. This is what we need to do.”

 

What we’re saying is go into that party. They are understaffed and undermanned at local level. Go into the party, show enthusiasm, talk enthusiastically about things you can talk about in the party, such as migration control, deporting illegals, etcetera. You will soon be very well liked and you will soon be the branch organiser for somewhere like Sunderland.

 

You know, once you’re the branch organiser for Sunderland and you’re out leafleting every week, you’re going to be the guy that they ask to be the local Parliamentary candidate. And in places like Sunderland, I believe Reform are already on 34% of the vote. Well, that 34% is only going to rise dramatically when many pensions in Sunderland this winter and subsequent winters leading up to the next general election can’t heat their homes because Rachel Reeves cut their fuel allowance so she could divert more money to the huge and growing number of illegal immigrants still living in hotels all around the country!

 

These are things that people can do. No one is saying:

 

“Join Reform. Go in there and try to red pill everybody in there and show them all Europa: The Last Battle, or The Greatest Story Never Told!”

 

Don’t go up to Farage and say:

 

“Look, you need to watch The Greatest Story Never Told, mate. There was this guy in Germany and he had some good ideas.”

 

Don’t do that. That’d be idiotic! It’s about people who want to fight electorally should basically go into Reform, keep their heads down, play the game, get elected to Parliament, then use their Parliamentary privilege to go full mask off. It’s simple! Do you have anything to add to that, mate?

 

The Woodlander: No, I’ve got to be honest. I think Reforms there because they’re allowed to be there is, but whilst they are there, they’ve done something that no nationalist group has ever managed to do, and get into Parliament. To not take advantage of that, if it’s possible, would be a ludicrous situation. It really would. That’s a much easier route to Parliamentary power than starting a new political party and building up over 20 years, only to find at the end of it that they won’t allow you anywhere near power. That’s a wasted two decades!

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, to be frank, anyone who has started one of these micro parties over the last few years, they are going to face three huge problems.

 

One, they are never going to have the membership, activist or support base.

 

Number two, they are never going to have the money, the funding, the wealth.

 

And number three, they are never going to have a celebrity candidate who is a household name and who has a proven track record of breaking political barriers that nobody else has ever broken before.

 

Farage has achieved three things that no one else in the history of British politics has achieved! He won two national elections for two separate political parties. He took total victory in 2014 for UKIP. He took total victory in 2019 for the Brexit Party. He then went on to make the most significant policy change against the flow of policy that anyone’s ever made, which was the bringing about of Brexit.

 

And finally, he’s the only anti-immigration candidate who runs an anti-immigration party that has broken that Parliamentary barrier.

 

Nobody in the next four or five years before the next general election could build anything like that. It would take decades to achieve that.

 

And what’s more, decades is a period of time that we do not have. If somebody tells me that they’ve got a long game that can get us Parliamentary seats in, … Because Farage has been doing this since about 1999, I believe. So it’s taken him sort of two and a half decades to break that barrier. Two and a half decades. If somebody said to me today:

 

“We have a plan and it’s going to be two and a half decades and it’s going to get us five or six MP’s.”

 

I would actually look at them and say:

 

“Even if you could guarantee that, would that give us the time span to actually get a workable majority and reverse anything?”

 

The Woodlander: We haven’t got 20 years. I think we both know that. I think things are going to get harder and harder and harder for smaller groups. They’re going to get harder and harder and harder for individuals to actually say anything! The whole system is geared against us! The government have come out and said:

 

“Here’s the enemy! Guess what? It’s you! You are the enemy! The chances of you sweeping to power are zero. It’s not going to happen!”

 

It hasn’t happened in a hundred years. And I hear people saying:

 

“Yeah, but times are different now.”

 

Yes, they are. It’s harder now! It’s harder now than it was in the thirties, the forties, sixties, seventies, eighties or nineties k, it is harder now. It’s not going to happen! They’re going to make it harder.

 

So if there’s a possibility of moving a party further to our point of view, that’s already got some power, it would be ludicrous to ignore that.

 

[1:18:34]

 

Mark Collett: I concur.

 

And I think what you said there the term “ludicrous”, I don’t think that is an over exaggeration. You know, the thing is, what people have got to remember is over the last 5, 10 years, Farage has fundamentally, I’m not saying completely, but has fundamentally come in our direction to a large degree. And I keep stressing this point because it does need stressing. Nigel Farage was talking about things in this electoral cycle and addressing those issues in a way that the BNP at its height did not. You know, so the British National Party Party, when it won elections, never said, “we need to start deporting people”. That was a point that internally we were briefed, do not bring that up!

 

In fact, when I was in the British National Party, the British National Party changed its policy. The British National Party changed its policy from compulsory repatriation to voluntary repatriation and actually downplayed that on its website.

 

So there was a complete change in our approach to deportations, whether they would be illegal immigrants, etcetera, because it wasn’t a selling point.

 

In fact, at the time, people in the BNP felt that talking about repatriation would lose us votes. Now Farage is openly talking about deporting, in his words, “all illegal immigrants”. Well, that’s further to the Right than the BNP was when it won power in 2009. Well, it won two MEPs. It didn’t win power. Won two MEPs. That tells you something that I think is very important, that these people can be brought in our way and as a pressure group on their fringes.

 

Because, look, there are people in Reform who watch these shows. There are people in Reform that used to share my tweets. There are people in Reform that listen to Morgoth, follow Keith Woods, know about the JQ. And there was all that hullabaloo before the election that a number of people in Reform were all openly saying:

 

“What was the point in going to war with Germany? It was a waste of time, didn’t benefit us. Load of crap!”

 

That is unprecedented in British politics to have a party with Parliamentary seats where the membership and the candidates are openly discussing things that we might discuss tonight because somebody sent us a Superchat.

 

The Woodlander: Yeah, I completely agree. Like I said, I joined the Conservative Party in 97 to see if it was possible to take a party that had been crushed and move it to the Right. What I found was that actually at grassroots level, you didn’t really need to. They were actually pretty Right anyway. But the upper echelons of the Conservative Party had been there far too long. The beauty with Reform is that they haven’t. They haven’t and they haven’t got a stronghold on Parliament yet. They’re going to need more MP’s. I would rather those MP’s were our guys. I would rather the people running their think tanks were our guys. I would rather the people that running the business clubs and the forums and the Reform associations were our guys. Okay? And you don’t have to go there and cuck. You’ll find that 90% of the people you talk to in Reform are the same as us. Okay?

 

Like you said, they would retweet you and they would watch Morgoth, and the talking points would be the same. It’s only at that top level that they’ve toned it down. And I know Farage is not our guy, and I know Tice definitely isn’t our guy! But they’re going to need more people. And if the people they need are us, then again, it’s ludicrous not to take that opportunity.

 

Mark Collett: I agree. And look, I’m not saying this is the route for most people. I’m saying this is the route for people who absolutely want to don that suit, shirt and tie and knock on doors every night for the next four years to pave the way for an electoral victory.

 

Now, I know who Jez 9999 is, and I’m telling you now, no offence, mate, but you are absolutely not putting on a suit, shirt and tie and knocking on doors every night of the week for the next four or five years!

 

So this wouldn’t even apply to you. [chuckling] This applies to a specific type of young guys, probably in his mid twenties, like I was when I did that. He’s got all the energy in the world and genuinely believes in that kind of change. As a 43 year old guy with what is effectively a wife, absolutely a young daughter, and all the sort of problems and trials and tribulations that brings. I don’t have the time to be knocking on doors, you know, four or five nights of the week like I used to when I was a much younger man. But there are young revolutionary minded men who might do that.

 

Anyway, Merry Englander gave her $5. Thank you much. He said “donation”. Thank you my friend. John Skywalker gave $6 and he said:

 

“Watched your film review of Munich. As for why the lead character by Eric Banner questions his actions, I think Spielberg made him sympathetic to appeal to gentiles in the audience and any hesitation they may have fighting the War on Terror. Ultimately, I think pro-zionist Spielberg was to say, do what must be done. This can be seen in the final shot of the Twin Towers and the text, ‘nine of the eleven terrorists were killed’. Selling gentiles on their methods is also done in their book Rise and Kill Them First. I recommend reading it if you haven’t done so already. Really gives you their mindset.”

 

Well, I haven’t read that book and thank you so much for the Superchat.

 

Also, I was cheekily while Woodlander was talking, re-watching the end of the film then, because I actually didn’t notice that usually I noticed little things like that, but I didn’t notice that at the end of Munich they had the Twin Towers and 9/11 up on the screen. I mean, that that is just absolute sort of mental games at their finest!

 

Woodlander, have you seen Munich? Did you enjoy it?

 

[125:54]

 

The Woodlander: I haven’t seen it, no. It’s on my watch list. I don’t watch a lot of telly, don’t watch a lot of films, to be honest.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I hated the film, so you’re not missing much. It was horrible and there were certain scenes in it that actually made me feel quite sick. I didn’t enjoy it.

 

Glen19, gave $5. No, he gave $6. No, he gave $9 over multiple Superchats.

 

So I’m going to read them all together as one. Thank you so much, he said:

 

“Sad to say, Mr Collett, I don’t think anything political was gained from the riots, but it appears that they will copy what happened in the US with January the 6th people. Arrest and jail those involved, whether actively or passively. What do you think?

 

“I don’t think waiting for a race war to break out after demographics becomes worse will happen. Many will do what persecuted populations do in the past have done and emigrate. If nothing changes in the West, there’ll be mass emigration. Even those that go to the third world. Many falsely believe it’s impossible to take up residency and employment in foreign countries because there is a global conspiracy against White people.”

“As someone who worked and lived in different countries in Asia, I can say this is very false. When I was assigned to work in India by my employer, there were White South Africans in the gated community I lived in that play professional sports on Indian teams, ‘gori’, term for loose White women dancers for the film industry there and others. The Japanese media is largely not available in English, but they use western immigrants as examples on the media of the slowly changing Japan. Just like in this article.”

 

You can read the article there in the Superchat. I’ll answer this bit by bit, then I’ll throw it over to Woodlander.

 

Firstly, I think you’re absolutely correct! These riots have become the British January 6th. And that’s a very, very astute observation. I don’t think anything political was gained from them. I warned people not to go and get involved. I said this would happen and I said:

 

“Look, stay out of any trouble, you know, organise yourself in a peaceful manner.”

 

Now, I also think people who, when the writing broke out, started to talk about a race war were idiots. There isn’t going to be a race war. It’s much more likely that these kind of events will increase. And rather than a race war, we will end up in a Northern Ireland style situation where you have segregated communities, peace lines, and you end up in a situation where there are White British areas, there are Muslim areas, there are black areas, and there will be some mixing because there has been some interbreeding, but largely you will see sort of sectarianism, but on racial grounds.

 

And people who constantly fantasize about a race war. There has been no race war in South Africa. And that is far more brutal and far further down the road than we are here. I think we’re more likely to see sectarianism.

 

Now, the issue about emigrating, it’s something we’ve discussed tonight. I believe emigration will be something that is increasingly on the table for normal White Brits and it’s already happening.

 

So when they tell you that 1.5 million people, 90% plus of those are non-White, came to Britain last year, but net migration was about 800,000. The only reason net migration is 800,000 is not because 700,000 of those non-Whites went back. It’s because 700,000 White Britons went to live in Spain, Thailand, Vietnam, Serbia. Some will now be going to Russia, some will be going to Italy, some will be going to the south of France.

 

And this is why Farage’s Net Zero is not enough, because Farage’s Net Zero would basically legislate for a situation where 1.5 million non-White migrants arrived and 1.5 million White Brits left. And he’d call that a success! Well, that is not a success. That is replacement on steroids!

 

And we need to be mindful of this emigration because I know numerous people that I have met that I have shaken hands with that. Some of them I call good friends who are now living specifically in the Far East. That seems to be a real destination. Look at James Goddard. James Goddard at the moment is doing great shows. He’s got some great social media posts. He’s more politically active in terms of content creation than he’s ever been. And he’s doing it all from Thailand.

 

I don’t know if you want to comment on any of that Woodlander. Obviously, we’ve touched on stuff like this tonight, but over to you.

 

The Woodlander: With the emigration thing, it’s not for me. What I might do is look at a property abroad, but I’m not planning on moving full-time myself. I can completely understand the draw, especially with what’s going on in this country. The riots. No, they didn’t do anything political. I think they were allowed to happen as well. I think that the system has designed a society where an atrocity like that was going to happen at some point in time. They knew there would be a response, only this time they didn’t go all out to try and stop it! They allowed it to happen, so that they could do what they’re doing now.

 

So it was kind of obvious what was going to happen. It was local people. It wasn’t a “far-Right” organised thing. These protests weren’t organised. It was local people in different areas that were just sick and tired of what’s happening. And sadly, the government was waiting for that, and it fanned the flames.

 

And now it’s got its enemy. Now it can point and say:

 

“You are the enemy!”

 

And that’s all we’ve heard is about the “hideous far-Right”. They’re not far-Right. These are just local British people that are sick to the back teeth! And they’re ending up in prison. It’s a sad state of affairs. So no, riots didn’t do anything.

 

[1:32:35]

 

Mark Collett: And look, I’m going to go further than Woodlander here, and this might be unpopular, but strap yourself in for a hot take!

 

Not only didn’t the riots do anything, I believe that the government, Starmer himself, and the police, dealt with it in such a hamfisted way, they stoked tensions, angered people and more people came out. If Starmer had come out and attempted to reason with people, calmed them, talked about their totally justifiable fears about mass immigration, talk about the fact that Britain’s southern border does need to be policed. He could have even talked about it from a Left-wing perspective, like:

 

“We need to clamp down on people smuggling. There’s multiple victims in all this. But I understand your concerns.”

 

Most of those riots would not have been as bad, if they’d have even turned into riots at all! He stoked that. And he spoke to people in a way that was going to get that response. He then let those riots continue for several days. And when they’d been enough, there was then a choreograph, astroturfed and well funded response that will have cost tens, if not hundreds of thousands of anti-racist demonstrations paid for by the unions, choreographed everyone with the same signs, with all the same slogans on.

 

You know, those things are expensive. If you’re buying, you know, sort of 30 or so Corex boards all printed up, you probably get them for about five quid each at a decent size. Then you’ve got the wood to go on the back of them and all the rest, you’ve got somebody making them. There will have been somewhere, a production line producing those things are probably, you know, somewhere like 8, 9, 10 quid a piece, thousands of them being produced, shipped out all over the country by couriers or even by by same day couriers. Or even by union vehicles. All of that was choreographed.

 

So, number one, you have the prime minister laying down the law.

 

Number two, you have people baited into the trap.

 

And number three, you have the media rejoicing when the anti-racists come out en masse and put a stop to the evil far-Right:

 

“And because there were so many anti-racists, that’s the mood of the nation. So the only thing we can do is go along with the mood of the people now and punish the far-Right!”

 

To me, a lot of this looked like it was presented as some kind of theatrical event or even a pantomime. I don’t know if you’ve got anything to add to that, mate.

 

The Woodlander: No, I agree. I think, I said right at the beginning, this was done by a playbook. They were waiting for the response. It could have been in six months time that this atrocity had happened. They wanted that response by the British people so that they can do exactly what they’re doing now! So they can bring in legislation, so that they can start putting people in prison and set precedents for the reasons.

 

And it’s going to make things very much more difficult for us moving forward. You’re gonna have to watch what you say online. You’re gonna have to watch what you say in real life. Yeah. They wanted this to happen and they were just waiting for an excuse. It just so happened that it happened really early into his premiership.

 

But I think everything they’re doing was already done. It was already written down. They knew how they were gonna do it. The police knew how they were gonna handle it. It may look ham fisted. I think it was done on purpose. I honestly do! I think they handled the thing badly on purpose.

 

Mark Collett: I completely concur.

 

So we’ll move on from there. Dsallen7 gave $15. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“The UK government took a break from locking up their own citizens for standing in the wrong place to arrest journalist Richard Medhurst under terrorism charges for being critical of Israel. Two sides of the same coin.”

 

Well, that’s the other thing. Richard Medhurst is not a journalist. And you might be saying, what:

 

“Do you mean, Mark? He’s not a journalist?”

 

A journalist is now officially someone who gets a special little card from the state and is a member of the club. So if Richard Medhurst had been a card carrying journalist, he could not have been arrested for the things that he was arrested for. He was arrested because he is not a card carrying journalist. He’s an independent truth seeker. And independent truth seekers are now being rebranded as “misinformation agents”. That’s the problem!

 

And I know. Look, I know somebody might clip that out of context to make out like I’m insulting him. I’m absolutely not insulting Richard Medhurst.

 

I think what’s happened to him is absolutely scandalous! But what I’m saying is that is the way they do it.

 

[1:37:43]

 

The Woodlander: Exactly that again. I said it right at the beginning. What they’re doing is they’re saying:

 

“We’re the government. We tell you the truth! Anything else is misinformation.”

 

And now they’ve gone one step further and said:

 

“By the way, misinformation is a criminal act. So we will arrest you!”

 

Yeah, it’s not looking good! I think we should look into how you get press credentials. It’s not that difficult. If you’ve got a publication, you can apply for them. So, yeah, I’ll look into that. Because, I mean, I was accredited. I had press credentials before, I ran a magazine. I used to go to the motor show free of charge, go to press days, bike shows and whatever.

 

But you’re right, you do need to be accredited. We should look into it.

 

Mark Collett: I was just looking at Richard Medhurst there. He apparently isn’t allowed to say exactly what’s happening to him either, which is another scandal. Imagine being dragged away by the police, you know, locked in a cell, interrogated for 24 hours, then released with some kind of gagging order.

 

So you can’t even explain to people what happened to you. That is something that you’d hear about in the Soviet Union. They’d talk about that in North Korea, wouldn’t they? They’d say:

 

“Oh, a guy was arrested in North Korea. They dragged him away from his family. They returned him 48 hours later in clothes made of paper because they’d taken all his clothes away. All his personal items were seized, and he wasn’t even allowed to tell his family what he’d been arrested for. Oh, my God! The things that happen in North Korea!”

 

And you’re like:

 

“No, that’s what happened in Britain. The guy’s name is Richard Medhurst.”

 

It’s an absolute scandal! I’ve just followed him on. Well, an account that looks like it might belong to me. Just followed him on Twitter. [chuckling] ThinRedLine, gave $14. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“I think the system is making a mistake with these tyrannical laws. It will only wake more people up.”

 

I’ll throw that one over to you, Woodlander. Is this going to wake people up or is this going to scare people?

 

The Woodlander: Both! It will wake people up, but not enough. Really not enough. Again, I think a lot of what we’re seeing now was already game-played four years ago.

 

And if you want to see how the mass of the public react, right, we saw it then, we saw it then. The government said:

 

“This is the truth! Everything else is misinformation. Don’t worry about your lying eyes and seeing that there are no people dropping down dead in the street. We’re telling you this is the truth and we want you to basically attack anybody that isn’t toeing the line.”

 

And the public did. The public did! They shouted at you for not wearing a mask, they pointed fingers at you, right? They were the ones grassing you up for going for a walk. The general public went and toed the line. And sadly, as much as these new laws will wake a lot of people up, it won’t wake enough up.

 

Mark Collett: Do the worst thing about it? I remember covering this at the time and this was something that I was sort of like. I was just amazed when it happened. There were some complete arse who reported their neighbour to the police for not coming out and clapping for the NHS.

 

Now, at that point you are literally living in a Soviet style stage. And you can imagine it now, people looking up and down the road like panicking, like:

 

“Oh God, what if I’m the one that stops clapping first? You know? What if I’m the one that is the first to go back into my house when the clapping ends?”

 

And that’s how it became. And I remember, I never took part in all that crap, but it did affect people. And all these things are carefully choreographed attempts to mentally condition people into a response and into thinking, “are you a good guy?” A good guy means that you’re a conformist. Are you a bad guy? Bad guy equals freethinker. Simple as that.

 

NightNationReview gave $14. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“That is 100% what they are doing. They are criminalizing the dissent of the British people with nebulous terms. It’s horrifying to watch from America. The international overlords ultimately want the same for us too. Evil occupations!”

 

Well, I completely agree. Truthforge gave $11 thank you so much! And said:

 

“I support your efforts. Thank you for the content and the truth!”

 

Thank you so much! It’s very much appreciated. Anti-Mattoid gave $26 thank you so much! And said:

 

“Donation.”

 

Well, thank you for your kind donation. DerCheruska gave $5. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“Good episode, good guest.”

 

Well, thank you very much. ThinRedLine said:

 

“In my opinion, …”

 

Though we’ve already done that. We did that one out of order. Penelope Maynard gave a phenomenally generous $200!

 

“Thank you so much to dear Mark and Woodlander. A salient stream, no truer words. Many thanks for your wisdom. Best, Penelope. NB: Mark, shall I email you at mark@thefallofwesternman.com? Thanks.”

 

Yes, you absolutely should. And you’ve been very, very generous! If you live in the UK, I’d be more than willing to sort of have dinner with you or answer your questions personally or send you a gift or something for your generosity. So thank you so much! Milos M gave some Odysee tokens and he said:

 

“My opinion on this is I don’t approve of foreigners coming here because they have been backstabbed and betrayed by their own government. But I understand them. A man in search of an ideal woman, a couple moving over to escape woke social and economical woke totalitarianism. But that is not problem solving.”

 

Look, this is what I’m going to say. I’m not somebody who ever wants to leave this country. I’m not somebody that feels comfortable abroad. I sometimes like going abroad, and I’ve been to beautiful countries. I loved my last trip to Finland and the family I stayed with. I loved my trip to Latvia. That’s probably one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever been. Mexico was interesting, but quite scary. [chuckling] And generally, I have enjoyed seeing other parts of the world, and certain parts of those world, the world I have liked, but it’s never been my home and I would never want to be an exile.

 

[1:44:31]

 

But again, I cannot condemn a man who looks at his family and says:

 

“I’ve got a wife and three beautiful kids. There’s a little Italian village that still picks their own olives, makes their own wine, and they’re selling houses there for 5,000 pounds each. And we’re going to move there and we’re going to go to church every Sunday, and my daughters are going to go to the little Catholic school, and I can work remotely from there. And the amount of money I’ll have will give us a quality of life we’ve never had before. My wife will then be a stay at home mom, and we can afford to have, you know, another child.”

 

Can I really knock that man? No, I can’t! And I can’t knock that man because this country is so, it’s becoming so bad for people! And it’s not just so bad in terms of the migration, the anti-White laws, the anti-White violence. But it’s just general quality of life, you know, quality of life.

 

Now, look, I’m off, I am largely off the McDonald’s train now. I’ve been saying, I make my own burgers, I cook my own chips. The best thing to cook chips in, people say, is beef dripping. They’re wrong! If you mix 50% beef dripping with 50% lard and cook your chips in that, it’s even better. You get the best of both worlds! I’ve been trying it I am one of those freaks that weighs it all out and has done all these different things. So I am cooking my own food.

 

But the fact is, for normal people, going to McDonald’s is a treat at the weekend with the kids. A Happy Meal used to be 1.99, it’s now 3.50. You’re talking a 75% increase in price. Have wages gone up 75%? I remember when petrol was a pound a litre. It’s now one pound 40. That’s a 40% rise in petrol. And it’s across the board, gas, electric, computer components. You know, if you’re building a new computer now, cost a bloody earth. You know, everything is going up like that.

 

So when people look at their basket of goods and they’re just nipped out for bread, a bit of butter a bottle of orange juice and maybe a couple of cream buns for dessert, and they’re spending 12, 13 quid and they’re thinking:

 

“I remember them. That would have been 4.50!”

 

People are now thinking:

 

“Well, why wouldn’t I go to Thailand, where for 4.50, me and my wife can go out to a restaurant and both have a beautiful bowl of beef noodles!”

 

I’m not condoning it, because it wouldn’t be my home.

 

And that’s why I never want to leave here. I never want to not be on English soil unless it’s for a little holiday, but I can understand it. And I think a few years ago, I would have been a lot more negative about people.

 

In fact, I was a lot more negative about people leaving a few years ago. But I’m probably less negative now than I ever have been, because I understand it.

 

I mean, I know you don’t want to leave, Woodlander, but are you negative towards people leaving?

 

The Woodlander: No. It’s actually an interesting topic, though, because it’s one of those ones that gets thrown back at me, which is:

 

“Your mum and dad were immigrants over in Spain, and yet you don’t like immigrants over here!”

 

And to some extent they’re actually right. But there is a difference. The difference is, I don’t think we would have a problem in England if we had a French quarter, or an Italian area, or a German area. These cultures, these ethnicities, even the Polish to some extent. And I’ll be honest, when I first moved to the town I grew up in, there was a large Polish community. But you wouldn’t have known it because they had fully integrated. It was small, but they had fully integrated.

 

The Europeans have a similar ethnicity and a similar culture throughout. And it can work quite well. The Brits move over to Spain and within a few years, the town they’re living in is little England, right? An English bloke buys a pub, it does Sunday dinners, bloke buys a fish and chip shop, bloke opens an English bookshop. Within to long, it’s, … But the Spanish don’t really mind because the cultures are very similar. The English still go to the Spanish markets, they get on with their Spanish neighbours, everyone rubs along quite well.

 

Different matter when it’s the North Africans moving into Spain, the culture is completely different. There’s a lot of criminality. The Spanish don’t like it. So it’s the same over here. We haven’t got a problem with communities of Europeans. We’ve got a problem with communities of Africans, Asians, Middle Eastern, ethnicities. The cultures clash with us and the ethnicities clash with us.

 

So it’s an interesting topic, but I won’t rattle on all night about it.

 

[1:50:19]

 

Mark Collett: I’ll say this as well, woodland and this might make you smile. But I’ve never felt like I was going to be mugged or stabbed walking through Chinatown either! [chuckling]

 

The Woodlander: You laugh! I mean, the thing is, we’ve always had Chinese communities here. I remember going to London and my dad saying:

 

“Well this is Chinatown.”

 

And it was all full of Chinese and whatever, and it was you could walk around and it was fine, I understand, tucked round the back with some opium dens and whatever. But we didn’t really have a problem with these ethnicities. There were parts of Bedford, which were largely Italian. They had ice cream parlours and Italian restaurants and pizza places. This is going back in the sixties and seventies. There was never really any problem. Okay? So these ethnicities and these cultures actually rub along, okay? Which is telling, isn’t it? Because that’s not what happens now.

 

Mark Collett: Well, that’s the thing. And I’ll also say this, [chuckling] it is a specific problem with certain types of culture. Now I don’t want, you know, an entire city’s end to be Chinatown. I don’t want that. It was more of a throwaway comment. But the fact is certain cultures do present more problems than others.

 

RoryHerbert gave $5. Thank you. Sid:

 

“Dear Mark, could you ask Woodlander how he defines a fascist chicken? Do they lay eggs with 1930s European symbols on them or does he have an alternative explanation?”

 

The Woodlander: Hi, Rory. How are you? I mean, that’s really because I was called out as being far-Right. And they actually went on to say, you know, he talks about homesteading and raising chickens. How is talking about homesteading and raising chickens far-Right? They never define this thing. They just use it as a label. You know, I have a battalion of fascist chickens, apparently!

 

Mark Collett: I like the idea of that. AlbionForever gave an update on Richard Medhurst and he says:

 

“As soon as he stepped off the plane at Heathrow, he was arrested. It was clearly premeditated sting operation.”

 

Indeed. Jewy von Swindlestein gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Great stream, guys. Keep it the good work. I’m convinced this collectivizing idea will work. I can think of another (((group))) that have done this for a very long time with huge success.”

 

Thank you. [chuckling] British Camp, [chuckling] gave $25. Thank you so much, my friend. He said:

 

“British people don’t go to Spain on a dinghy and expect to be given a house for free. Great show tonight!”

 

Well, I agree, but also when Brits do go to places, they generally don’t start stabbing people or robbing them off the back of mopeds or snatching mobile phones. We’re not people that go to places and groom the local children!

 

When people talk about Brits in Spain, it’s a false equivalence. You know, you don’t get Africans arriving in Britain with millions of pounds in the bank, buying property and doing up a local building, turning it into an African pub and selling food to other Africans. It’s not like that! They come here, they usually jump the social housing queue. They arrive in dinghy’s.

 

This idea that Brits going to Spain or Brits buying a property in Serbia is some way equivalent [chuckling] to dinghies full of people arriving on the southern coast is just absolute nonsense!

 

I don’t know if you want to add to that because I’m sure your parents didn’t arrive in Spain and jumped straight on the welfare system, did they?

 

The Woodlander: No, but it was interesting for me to look at that. And I spoke about this on Tasob, actually, which was that what happens is cultures replicate themselves.

 

So when the English get to Spain, they look around and they go:

 

“This is great, but we’d like a chip shop.”

 

So they open a chip shop. The Spanish haven’t got a problem with this. And nor would we have a problem when the Spanish come here and they say:

 

“We’re going to up a little tapas bar.”

 

That’s not an issue. Okay. I know it’s not all about food. But the cultures get on! They rub together perfectly and that’s what matters.

 

And it was interesting to see that the North Africans coming into Spain were not treated like the British. And it was because of the way they acted and those cultures didn’t get on.

 

Mark Collett: Agreed. Wife Waffen gave $7. Thank you, my dear. And she says:

 

“Have a great week!”

 

Thank you very much. It’s Okay to be a Nationalist gave 14.88. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Anyone who wants a lovely white pill should watch the Woodlanders latest video. Great work, Mark and Simon, thank you for everything you do.”

 

Well, thank you so much! VM gave $5. Thank you very much. And he said something similar. He said:

 

“The eagle has landed. Enjoyed Woodlanders latest video. Mark, what are your thoughts on setting up a legal White advocacy division of PA or via something with Robin Tilbrook’s team? Could be something we need. Keep up the great work!”

 

People keep asking this. We’ve already got this. We’ve got the Workers of England, Union. I work with them at least once a month, either by pushing somebody in their direction or by actually working on these cases with them. So often when somebody who is a nationalist contacts me and says:

 

“Look, I’ve got a problem, I’m in trouble at work. What should I do?”

 

My immediate response is:

 

“Are you a member of the Workers of England, Union?”

 

Usually they say no. I say:

 

“Join them immediately!”

 

The next thing I say is:

 

“Send me all the information about the trouble you’re going through.”

 

And I sometimes spend hours going through these cases with people. There’s these people online that say:

 

“What does Mark do all day? He sits playing Mario Kart for 8 hours, then streams for 2 hours!”

 

Like, I wish I spent 8 hours a day gaming! I’m up at six every morning answering my emails or working on something which prevents me answering my emails, like scripting a video.

 

[1:56:48]

 

And once I’ve done that, I’m usually tied up on the phone. I can sometimes spend 4 hours in some days, like half my working day on the phone. And recently I’ve spent hours at a time working through debating techniques with several people who have been in employment tribunals. It’s something we already do.

 

If you’ve been watching my social media posts, who came on a stream with myself and Laura to tell people how to deal with the police? It was Robin Tilbrook. We actually have a book, or a booklet called, Don’t Say a Thing, A Practical Guide to Dealing with the Police. That was written by myself and Robin Tilbrook, a practicing legal professional. We already have legal advocacy with an organisation that’s very close to PA, that we work hand in hand with i’ll tell you this now. The first ever case in this country of somebody taking an employer to court for sacking them for refusing to wear a mask was a lady called Laura who was working for, I think it was Volkswagen. She was sacked for refusing to wear the mask. She rang me on a Sunday evening, because I’ve known her for years. She’s been a friend of mine for years. She rang me on a Sunday evening all flustered!:

 

“Mark, what am I going to do? I’ve got the first stage of my employment tribunal in the morning. I haven’t prepared. I don’t know what I’m doing. I’ve not got anyone representing me.”

 

I put her in touch with Robin Tilbrook. He took the call that evening, the Monday morning before a tribunal. He briefed her on what to say. She went into the tribunal. It was postponed until she got advocacy. They won that case. It was a landmark case. That was PA, Robin Tilbrook of the English Democrats and the Workers of England, Union all working together to help somebody. We’ve been doing this for years.

 

PA went slightly adrift when an absolute wrongun in our midst tried to force all this, “elections or nothing”, upon us. That wasn’t anything I wanted. And you look back at the earliest streams, community building and White advocacy, that is what we are now. No one’s coming in and pushing us in a different direction. I should have stuck to my guns and done that’s what I spend my days doing. That’s what I’m most passionate about. That’s what we can win on. And we should keep doing that. And we’ve already had massive victories.

 

You know, people say:

 

“What have PA achieved?”

 

Well, we’ve had numerous asylum seeker centres shut down, numerous Drag Queen Story Hour events stopped. We’ve helped numerous people who were going to lose their jobs. We’ve set legal precedents and we’re going to keep doing that. And we’re going to keep working with Woodlander. We’re going to keep working with Workers of England, Union. We’re going to keep working with independents who are fighting for things at local level. We’re going to keep doing the food banks. We’re going to keep doing the litter picks. All these things are things that we can do and make real change.

 

Anyway, last Superchat is ScaredyCat, $4. Thank you so much, my dear. And she says:

 

“Hi, Woodlander and Mark, best wishes.”

 

And that brings us to the end of the show. Woodlander, my friend, you have the final word because you’ve been an amazing guest as always.

 

The Woodlander: Well, thank you, Mark. Thank you very much for having me on. It’s always a pleasure. Again, apologies for turning up late. My fault. Thank you to the chat and everybody watching. I think everybody is now in accordance. Everybody who matters is pushing in the right direction. We’re going to start seeing success from both PA, from the Woodlander Initiative and other groups which are starting up as well.

 

We’re going to start seeing success because we’re going down roads that can lead us to success, and not futile paths that have been tried a hundred times before.

 

So I would urge people to get involved with PA, check out the Woodlander Initiative. We’re moving forward in the right direction.

 

And I’ll hand it back to you, Mark.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much, my friend. We’ve got one last Superchat, $5 from Lulu. Thank you so much, my dear. She said:

 

“Great stream tonight, guys. You’ve covered a lot of good points. Keep up the fight for British nationalism.”

 

Thank you so much!

 

And I’ve got to say this. Woodland is a great guest and he’s a great guest because he not only gives great takes, but he’s a man of action. He’s a guy that said, we need to do something and he did it. Just like we said we need to do PA. We need to build a community. And we did it! Just like the Workers of England, Union guys said, we need a union and they built one. And that’s what we need! We need people who are willing to get up and run with their idea and do something fresh and think outside the box.

 

If you wrote a book on British nationalism, it could easily be called “A Century of Failure”, because it has never achieved through electoral means what has been achieved on the Continent.

 

However, for the first time, in my time in nationalism, people are genuinely coming up with new ideas, with new ways forward and are actually breaking new ground. And that, for me, is far more exciting than the idea of repeating the same thing that we’ve been doing since 1945 and failing at! This is an exciting time.

 

As I said, there will always be challenges along the way, but the fact we’re doing something new is important. So massive thank you to Woodlander. And a special thank you for all the positivity he has brought here this evening.

 

And as I said, I do believe the tide is turning in British nationalism with people now thinking outside the box. And a lot of that is down to this man here.

 

So thank you to Woodlander, thank you to everybody who has donated so very generously tonight. And a massive thank you as always to this incredible audience and this wonderful community. I love you all. Thank you so much!

 

We’ll be back next week. Eric Striker returns Wednesday, same place, same time, 07:00 pm. Thank you, everybody. Love you all. Good night. Stay safe. Keep fighting. Thank you.

 

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Mark Collett
4 hours ago
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Matt Hammond
1 hour ago
Surely there is some merit to the argument that the police are no longer a legitimate police force. Didn’t they break the social contract a long time ago. They are clearly at war with the population. I mean, what is ‘law’ at the end of the day? Aren’t there laws against treason?

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@NatFlix
they will now

14Reasons
2 hours ago
cya hopefully red ice will show today

@MilosM.
2 hours ago
great stream good evening all

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Ihtultu
yes

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
WANGHAF

NATFLIX
2 hours ago
RAHOWA

@Lulu
2 hours ago
great stream all the best

@BMC1488
2 hours ago
14

@dsallen7
2 hours ago
14

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
14

@BMC1488
2 hours ago
Excellent stream as always. Hails to Mark and Woodlander

@SerenaJB
2 hours ago
Great show.

Parken
2 hours ago
Good night! 1488

@Ihtultu
2 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
OK, gotta go, remember what the magnet says, “Stay positive, it will attract the negative.”

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
Chin up, chest out folks. We’ll win

Dawn Browning
2 hours ago
MarkSimonModsLove Love to all you Beautifuls MWAH

@Ihtultu
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
we have chinese and indian nations 1billion+, imagine 1billion germans. what they would achieve…

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
GOOD NIGHT BROTHERS AND SISTERS

@Lulu
2 hours ago
night guys

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@BritishGammon
good night

@BritishGammon
2 hours ago
Great stream and chat. Night folks.

@BMC1488
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
Yes, indeed

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
OUR LAND, OUR FREEDOM, OUR FUTURE. Join The Woodlander Initiative folks. I’ve made friends for life from TWI

@Ihtultu
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
Hello neighbor. until Caesar beat Areovistus the celts were keeping the germans under check. after Caesar it went downhill for the celts and the germans started encroaching on the rhine frontier.

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@BMC1488
a lot of German descendants in Minnesota

@cheflad
2 hours ago
14 Deus Vult

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@MarkCollett
lol

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago

@MarkCollett
she’s too busy seeing the bedrooms

Oldgods
2 hours ago
Kudos

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
We Will win

Mark Collett
2 hours ago

@AlbionForever
109 legal cases, but not one of them has ever seen a court room lol

@BMC1488
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
Also Scandinavians in my area (Minnesota-USA)

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Keep fighting Brothers and Sisters

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Ihtultu
I don’t know the history as well as you seem to. I’ll take your word for it

@Lulu
2 hours ago
$5.00
Great stream tonight guys, youve covered alot of good points Keep up the fight for british nationalists

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago
But but but what about the bunny boiler and her legal cases? They’re about as real as a £7 note.

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@Ihtultu
I think Romans kept Germans more in check. Then Germans grew powerful and decided since Roman empire is not a thing anymore they should be new rulers of Europe. Which tbh, didn’t work out that well.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
yes

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
I could go on gab fine. it should be 14reasons on gab. there is two profiles.message the one with 2k followers. the other one was due to a glitch thing. I’ll talk later today unless something comes up

@BMC1488
2 hours ago
#StopTheBoats

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Germans (much later) were the predominant genetic group that settled much of Northern America.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
it also asks for your phone number

@Ihtultu
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
Hello mate. I would have to say that after 476 the germanic population exploded. until then they were kept under check by the celts. and the germans kept the slavs under check.

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
Germans were spread to much of what we call Europe.

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
Robin is a legend of a man

@BMC1488
2 hours ago
Arriving in an overloaded dinghy as a White person and expecting to be given free everything from the country you washed up on is an alien concept.

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
I don’t use telegram at the time. Don’t trust it because it drops image folders on my system.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Power_Blade
trainwreck

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Mark works hard and he always answers his emails

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
Well, I just don’t know.

Hideaway Swamp
2 hours ago
The amount of White people emigrating to Thailand is at epidemic levels. Maybe Thailand will be our new ethnostate.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
If you want to talk ,I’m on telegram if you want a link

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@AlbionForever
I would make that clear to him to keep his willy in the pants.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
I haven’t been posting anything for a very long time now. I’d rather not start up on that platform yet . sorry

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Carlota
the Germans were such a massive chunk of European demographics for so much of europes long term history. so

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
no lol

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
Hope on GAB and inform me. I just don’t know, you are correct. Maybe that’s why I see allegiance the way I do.

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@AlbionForever
isn’t Nativist married?

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
yeah. make sure none of them give him their phone number, it’ll never stop buzzing.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
noseferatu types like Jonathan greenblat lol

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@theestonian
hahaha true, Brits are quite infamous as tourists.

ItsOkToBeANationalist
2 hours ago
$14.88
Anyone who wants a lovely white pill should watch the woodlander’S latest video. Great work Mark and Simon. Thank you for everything you do

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@AlbionForever
is he really? Then I better keep my eye on Chris Mitchell he seems to traveling a lot to EE.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
you mean the 3% Asians in America ? aren’t they a ridiculously small amount in america ? you have no idea. try living around literal Asian ethnostate demographics in Canada

Hideaway Swamp
2 hours ago
China towns seemed harmless while they were a less economically and politically powerful minority. Go to San Francisco now and there is no place for Whites, but the Chinese own a ton of the city.

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
If Hollywood was honest about Mobs and criminality they would talk nonstop about La Kosher Nostra.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@Apollo
yes it is ridicolous

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago
Nativist Concern arrived in Poland and jumped straight on Svetlana

@Apollo
2 hours ago
leftoids act like all foreigners are equivalent

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Maybe so, but the ones that move to the USA, at least for the moment, are typically good people to ally with. They often agree with White positive ideals due to their own racial awareness. Just my opinion.

@theestonian
2 hours ago
brits are known as quite horrible tourists though

14Reasons
2 hours ago
but according to Hollywood everywhere italians go, there is mobs and criminality and gangsters and murder

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@Carlota
In my area of coutnry is melting pot with Hungarians, Romanians, Croatians, Slovaks, Bosnians, Czechs, Germans, but apart of few very related to us, most of them have been okay and there are not any conflict on ethnical basis and no one is calling for it.

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago
How about Nativist going to Eastern Europe to shag the local birds?

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
yes

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
stream

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Watch the Nazi Turkeys on Blackpilled

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
Asians who are on the side of pro Whites

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
based and police pilled haha

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
What is rare? Asians?

14Reasons
2 hours ago
far right is whites not going extinct . that’s what far right means .white survival

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
profoundly rare as anomalies. the high quality anomalies are exceptions. but again rare anomalies

@Lulu
2 hours ago
im scared go london tbh….but being british i need see the history musuem…tower of london etc

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
yes you get that in Spain, Italy as well

@BMC1488
2 hours ago
:laughing:

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
I don’t see in which areas their alliance can come into play.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
I think Asians should be whites allies. People can disagree.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Carlota
they were different phenotypes. you wouldn’t think that if you were only surrounded by one white phenotype.

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
Spanish police are baaaaaased. I had an incident with a looky looky man in Torrevieja. The police were on my side.

AngryGoyJ
2 hours ago
Asians don’t like whites either

TruthForge
2 hours ago
You had me at “Black Africans are alien.”

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@AlbionForever
so true

14Reasons
2 hours ago
I’d always say even different white phenotypes is too much change. we need 95% minimal Spanish in spane. no white phenotypes that are different. and no other non white phenotypes. everything’s so upside down

@BritishGammon
2 hours ago
$25.00
British people don’t go to Spain on a dinghy and expect to be given a house for free! Great show tonight.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Also you bring money and don’t mooch of the Spanish welfare system

@Ir0nW1LL
2 hours ago
Just say it ‘the turd world’

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago
I’ll take the Spanish anti-tourism protests seriously when they’re even more outraged about the African crime wave in Spain.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Or, because the Spanish have been invaded so many times that they know this too will pass. 600 years under Muslim rule, and it’s still Spain, that’s something.

@cheflad
2 hours ago
When the Russian SMO is concluded, then Crimea is supposed to be quite nice ,if Putins offering

@Apollo
2 hours ago
British people and Spaniards are related peoples because they’re both European. Black Africans couldn’t be more alien.

@Jewy-Von-Swindelstein
2 hours ago
$5.00
Great stream guys, keep up the good work. I’m convinced this collectivising idea will work. I can think of another group that have done this for a very long time with huge success

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
and you never know if she is 15 or 50.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
:space_resitas:

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
more like thighland

14Reasons
2 hours ago
white immigrants compared to non whites…sigh. the fact we even need to explain this is insanity

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Europe does not look safe.

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
i wouldn’t trust food from in Thailand. The waitress would’ve probably dipped her penis in it.

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@soundmoney
Afrikaaners should rather move back to Europe.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
South Africa does not look safe.

@Lulu
2 hours ago
i made myself home made cottage pie today….so much making ur own food so i agree with mark there

@soundmoney
2 hours ago
come home to South Africa, white man

14Reasons
2 hours ago
because Thailand is not full of your own people. it’s deranged

AngryGoyJ
2 hours ago
i eat tuna and rice and eggs so I can pay for non whites

@BMC1488
2 hours ago

@PenelopeMaynard7
:heart_with_ribbon:

14Reasons
2 hours ago
gaming is too expensive now too.100 bucks for a single game. screw that. not worth it

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Dawn Browning
2 hours ago
Rendering your own lard is well easy

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago

@Ir0nW1LL
love your English Bull Terrier

14Reasons
2 hours ago
3.50 lol. 20 for a combo in communist Canada

@PenelopeMaynard7
2 hours ago

@BMC1488
many thanks :sparkling_heart:

@cheflad
2 hours ago
i do Lard and Beef Dripping

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
time to make your own Redbull Mark

@noreplacement
2 hours ago
Beef dripping for me

@Ir0nW1LL
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
, Max Igan can’t praise it enough

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
end up getting beheaded on the internet. No thanks Mexico haha

Dawn Browning
2 hours ago

@PenelopeMaynard7

@PenelopeMaynard7
2 hours ago

@DawnBrowning
I’m humbled. you’re awesome as well :heart_with_ribbon:

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Well Richard is a dick.

Dawn Browning
2 hours ago
Penelope is AWESOME

@theicebergmelts
2 hours ago
“Britain ceded the right to call foreigners and immigrants “invaders” when it invaded 1/4 of the planet and built the largest empire in history.” – Richard Medhurst

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Language is tough here. I live in New Mexico. It’s been 3 cultures, Mexican, White and Indian, for hundreds of years. Telling people to deny their culture, centuries old, is fightin’ talk.

Dawn Browning
2 hours ago
Good Morning Beautifuls

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
not even soviet more like north Korea

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
lol

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Or maybe 2 1/2?

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@Glen19
One and a half.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
covid did wake a lot of people up

@theicebergmelts
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
He is an antiwhite pos. During the riots in France last year he was celebrating all of it. I don’t care about his anti-zionism because he doesn’t even tell the truth about that anyway

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
I’ve often thought about moving to Mexico to get on welfare. Said no one eve.

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
to get kidnapped there lol

@BMC1488
2 hours ago
Yes indeed, Penelope is a fantastic supporter :thumbs_up:

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
i wouldn’t go to Mexico for a million quid

@RoryHerbert
2 hours ago

@MarkCollett
My wife was walking the dog and a neighbour said to her “you have to stop and clap for the NHS”. Crazy times.

Dawn Browning
2 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@Carlota
it seems consistent with all 1st generations. although if I leave somewhere I find it necessary to learn the language of the host, I doubt they would bow to my needs if I don’t.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Why is it that everywhere whites went was invasion, but everyone else just migrates?

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@DawnBrowning
Good morning Australia

@noreplacement
2 hours ago
It will wake people up; till they turn on the telly

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago
0.03
They nicked Richard Medhurst as soon as he stepped off a plane at Heathrow. It was clearly a premeditated sting operation.

AngryGoyJ
2 hours ago
175 years of social equality with the negro. Atheism and enlightened Christianity has done its job. Far past gone

@Glen19
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
well they have two continents where Spanish is spoken. I can understand why

@Bres
2 hours ago
I don’t think the need for a native advocacy group would be on people’s lips as much without the government’s prejudiced reaction. And everyone can see it. Only silver lining, not much though, when your in a cell.

BOILING-FROG
2 hours ago
in Canada also often

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@Carlota
Lulz, here the Spanish don’t learn English.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
all alien nations should not have our people going to live there. it damages every single nation . so called immigration corrupts and destroys everywhere on earth.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Imagine, the USSR never fell, just expanded.

@AlbionForever
2 hours ago
They nicked him as soon as he stepped off a plane at Heathrow

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
that is a good idea

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Glen19
immoral

@Glen19
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
The governments invite them here and you also have Western governments who are happy to see them leave. No one likes immigration but governments & businesses don’t care

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
he is not system aproved

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Can’t we all just get along?

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
there is allot more than just smiles lol

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Glen19
I say the same with all non whites bringing their kids to western nations. it’s consistent

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
depends what nation.

NATFLIX
2 hours ago

@MarkGreen
I saw more 20 year old girls at the Rotherham riot than far right activists.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
The Justice Party was also supposedly ruined by infighting.

14Reasons
2 hours ago
I understand the premise of moving a worse off western nation but to head to a racial alien civilization and nation…it’s not a solution. it’s purely a deranged and brainwashed reaction

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@MarkCollett
is there any data on this where 1.5 Britons gone?

14Reasons
2 hours ago
we have a plague of White men heading to Asia. very disturbing . then they get the fish head wife.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@MaxZet
you have to be smart about it but I believe it is possible

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@Bres
It’s natural, and you are correct. Except where forced integration is funded.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Bres
that’s the nature of reality and race. everyone desires to be with their own

@Bres
2 hours ago
I think we already have unconscious segregation amongst the masses.

@MaxZet
2 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
They do. However if the teachers or staff are considered too “extreme”, even when it comes to the governments pets, the muslims. The school inspection steps up and can force the school to close down.

@WhiteWalker
2 hours ago

@MilosM.
exactly

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
but SA is only 8 % White people

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
I never understand that infighting. I guess I’m on the outside looking in and all I see is the smiles.

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@Glen19
even worse bringing a white family and little children to an alien nation. it’s profoundly immoral and very wrong

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@Carlota
are they native (white) Brits? xd also that reminds me of ever inreasing number of Russians, who did integrate but didn’t assimilate, they mostly keep to themselves.

AngryGoyJ
2 hours ago
Delusional

14Reasons
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
it’s relentless infighting.

@Glen19
2 hours ago

@14Reasons
I wasn’t talking about single Men emigrating. families do too. Pewdiepie isn’t the only one who does this.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
I keep wondering when ALL the pro-White content creators, and their supporting audiences will form like Voltron and destroy the ZOG-O-BOT.

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
No closets for Queers. Deport Only.

@cheflad
2 hours ago
the Rotherham thing was strange ,lots of Counter Jihad mob was there stalking things.

NATFLIX
2 hours ago
I was at the Rotherham hotel protest a few years ago and nothing came of it. After the riot that hotel was emptied the next day.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@MaxZet
I am sure it is, anyway I suppose it would be a small shool with only a few teachers

@BillAtheling
2 hours ago
Exactly Mark, both speakers tonight have been spot on…

@MilosM.
2 hours ago
Me, I have a meeting with Chris Mitchell lmao in late September. He did mention he doesn’t like Mark much. But he asked me are there any welding jobs available here. I dont know what to think about it.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
You really have a hard on for Musk, don’t you?

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
Kissing celebrities’ asses like Musks’ is what got us in this situation.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Riots work IF, and only IF, the government endorses that side.

@MaxZet
2 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
I really hope it is.

NATFLIX
2 hours ago
When blacks riot they get everything they ask for. Riots work.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
January 6th anyone?

14Reasons
2 hours ago
not that it was going to happen. that it’s still happening frequently and never stopped for decades. a chronic evil

14Reasons
2 hours ago
how is what you predicted much different from a race war lol

@MilosM.
2 hours ago
Race war never happened in history (okay maybe in Rhodesia).

@MilosM.
2 hours ago
So

@MarkCollett
essentially you’d get civil war.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
It will make more people hostile to the system

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Yes, him and Fonzie.

@MilosM.
2 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
do you think he raped Heather O’Rourke?

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@MaxZet
I had something similar, but it was in the street more than a home.

@MaxZet
2 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
They would have to be.

@MaxZet
2 hours ago

@TruthForge
Indeed it is. That is why i strongly prefer homeschooling.

TruthForge
2 hours ago
*Munich

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
he’s possibly their most important propagandist

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@MaxZet
but if our peple set up the school we would do the hiring btw I think they do something similar in muslim schools

TruthForge
2 hours ago
I’ve never even heard of the movie “Munic”. I guess I should go watch marks review.

ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
Spielberg is a nasty piece of work

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@MaxZet
you would have to have all the teachers on your side it would have to be our people

TruthForge
2 hours ago

@MaxZet
It’s just insane that this response must be feared for simply being “pro-White”.

@MaxZet
2 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
That’s a way to do it. A risk i see with that is that your child might say something that you taught them that is pro-white to the wrong teacher or employee at the school that could lead to CPS or similar government bodies being involved.

@WhiteLightKnight
2 hours ago
Is it time to take over the Conservatives? Just a thought. They are a bit lost presently

@Kickchef
2 hours ago
I think that is putting energy into an opposing group and wasting it tbh

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Revolutionary tactics do not have to be attributed to Trotsky. He and the marxists invented very little, if anything, that had not been used before all over the world.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Young talented and energetic people

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
AGREED

@Bres
2 hours ago
“Entryism”. Famously worked for Militant Tendency in Liverpool for a time. It’s about time the right used, or even tried, Trotsky tactics. It’s a good idea to get involved with reform, as Mark said. You can, like militant, sound out our guys

TruthForge
2 hours ago
Knowing your enemy was how I ended up here with y’all. I learned a lot of communism to get here.

NATFLIX
2 hours ago
Entryism doesn’t work unless you change the leader and in Reform’s case that isn’t happening.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
SO TRUE

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@MaxZet
you could also use some of the leftwing book to discussthem and proove them wrong that might actually be a really good way to redpill the children

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Mark makes good and deep points from a learned and positive perspective. I’m not British myself, but I would follow his lead if I was.

Teutonic Truth
3 hours ago
Truth to powerful malicious Cowards

@cheflad
3 hours ago
whos funding Reform though ,its just a few former Tories who could pull the plug at any given time.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@MaxZet
maybe you could run a two book system some books you present to the government (you might read some of them ) and some books you actually read

danzimmons
3 hours ago
modern computer animated cartoons are subversive as f^ck

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
when I was hearing about joining Reform and restraining your views
, I started thinking about that Steven French guy. “My fascist views
were rattling the cage man, rattling the cage”

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@Yagoda
Well, I hope he doesn’t read that… Lulz.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
In the USA, they require a couple to Public school if they adopt. Those kinds of restrictions are to force state indoctrination towards replacement (diversity).

Teutonic Truth
3 hours ago
Musk is a malicious Coward for not amplifying PatrioticAlternative.org. uk

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
Reform had a stall set up in Liverpool city centre last year. I spoke to the chap n he went all weird n shy when i mentioned immigration

danzimmons
3 hours ago
280 on Odysee alone

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Even though we are much larger, with way more population, I think British politics is more complicated than America’s.

@MaxZet
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
Perhaps. You would really need to stay on top of what your children are taught. The state issues a national corriculum that every school needs to adhere to. Some ideological stuff can’t be avoided because of it.

Europe Is Ours
3 hours ago
He has a news agency pretty much dedicated to him

The Pork Report
3 hours ago

@NatFlix
Exactly.

@RoryHerbert
3 hours ago
$5.00
Dear Mark, could you ask Woodlander how he defines a ‘fascist chicken’ ? Do they lay eggs with 1930’s European symbols on them or does he have an alternative explanation? :grinning:

TruthForge
3 hours ago
That’s true. The training is worth it alone.

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
Reform will train you how to campaign and be useful.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many times.

@Kickchef
3 hours ago
People have tried this multiple times with the GOP in Amerikwa

TruthForge
3 hours ago
“woke social and economical woke totalitarianism” escaping the white west then? That’s the only place that I know with wokeness.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Nah, do do that. And record it and put it on the internet! :joy:

@MilosM
3 hours ago
2
My opinion on this is…I don’t approve foreigners coming here because they have been backstabbed and betrayed by their own government but I understand them.A man in search of ideal woman, a couple moving over to escape woke social and economical woke totalitarianism, but that is not problem solving

@UKPhoenix
3 hours ago
Thought he was about to say “whip out your” something else then. Had me nervous there marky

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
When I was a UKIP branch chairman that was the situation, a few motivated activists carry the whole branch.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@MaxZet
ok I see but if you do it an area with little to no diversity you might do more or less as you want

Rufus Page
3 hours ago
Bet they drank the tea river dry

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Parallel schools is primary IMO. They are pumping out Ghey SJW marxists here in our “public” schools.

@Trevor
3 hours ago
You joined the Tory party?

@Trevor
3 hours ago
Jesus… a Tory

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
A typical local Reform branch has 50 members, 6 turn up to meetings and 3 stand.

@WhiteLightKnight
3 hours ago

@jez9999
It could definitely work. It’s one of the ways antiwhites have gained power.

@MaxZet
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
We have “school duty” here instead of “study duty” unlike most other white nations. There are private schools but the best you can do is a stricter, more orderly, christian school. It’s about as conservative as it gets.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
yeah there’s no using the system to beat the system

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
Michael Gove is based in private. He’s just a regime enjoying coward who tows the line

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@MaxZet
homeschooling is illegal ? what about a private free school ?

@noreplacement
3 hours ago
A benefit of being retired is that you can say what you want, to whoever you want. Mind, I no laonger have much in the way of family, or friends, but who cares about that!

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Once the enemy has taken ground, you cannot use the same exact tactics to retake said ground. They will scorched Earth all behind them just to legitimize their hold. It must be a completely parallel and new system IMO.

@UKPhoenix
3 hours ago
That’s one of the most positive points I’ve heard in a little while

danzimmons
3 hours ago
farrage the mirage lol

@BritishGammon
3 hours ago
It’s good to know the grass roots at Reform are just like us

@MaxZet
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
There are quite cheap homes and land in the north of Sweden, yes. A big issue being pro-white and wanting to have a family is that homeschooling is effectivly illegal here.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@MilosM.
true but this might be the way to white pill them

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
true

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
In a PR system small far right parties will vote as a block, as the far right do in the EU.

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@Trevor
“845 billion was given to the hedge funds” This is what you are actually fighting. UNENDING money. You can’t beat that, unless you separate entirely from their system, including THEIR money.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
If you can’t beat them, join them?

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@CosmicPepe
I live in NM, once they increase to a certain number, they force taxes. In just my short lifetime, NM has gone from majority white to minority white and things dun changed. NM = Now Mexico.

The Pork Report
3 hours ago
o/

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@CosmicPepe
so true

@Trevor
3 hours ago
in the form of QE

@Trevor
3 hours ago
845 billion was given to the hedge funds

@WhiteLightKnight
3 hours ago

@Sonofaclown
Always do and buy GTs for all my relatives

@noreplacement
3 hours ago
The road tax change is being talked about

jez9999
3 hours ago
$5.00
If what the majority of the membership thought mattered, the conservatives would’ve massively cut immigration. Joining Reform and trying to say anything Farage considers unacceptable is a complete waste of time, you’ll be kicked out immediately.

Rufus Page
3 hours ago
sounds aewsome lol

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Black box taxation, now that’s not Orwellian.

@Deanfranjek
3 hours ago
when will it be time Mr Collett?

@cheflad
3 hours ago
Gove has more faces than a Rubiks cube.

jez9999
3 hours ago
5
If what the majority of the membership thought mattered, the conservatives would’ve massively cut immigration. Joining Reform and trying to say anything Farage considers unacceptable is a complete waste of time, you’ll be kicked out immediately.

@Deanfranjek
3 hours ago
when will it be to

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@danzimmons
Exactly. Not once it’s occupied. They would rather destroy it all, then go backwards.

The Pork Report
3 hours ago
Don’t assume that Starmer will quit on his own. He relishes all of the suffering he’s caused. He’s a weak, cruel coward.

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
problem is many young guys I noticed are very black-pilled.

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
Nationalists should throw our weight behind Farage as we did for the EU referendum to break the two party system. After that we will not be dependent on civnat parties.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@DieKrähen
the same could be done in the AFD

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@DieKrähen
Their “Long March” worked.

@BMC1488
3 hours ago
o/

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
young talented british guys and girls please consider Mark’s plan

BOILING-FROG
3 hours ago
hello!

@DieKrähen
3 hours ago
Infiltration and subversion. it’s a long game and the marxists have decades on us.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
I’ve said forever, if you really want to create a competing system, the number one priority must be a competing financial commodity. I like beads and shells, worth more than paper promises.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
good plan

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
There are easier ways of taking over a council than populating the entire village. The BNP ran Stoke and Barking councils.

The Pork Report
3 hours ago
Plus, in the USA at least, if those White people all homeschool, there won’t be enrollment to justify a public school, so mexicans will stay away (they use our public schools as free daycare).

Mark Collett
3 hours ago

@PenelopeMaynard7
thank you, you must let me take you for dinner to say thank you.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Above Time Coffee”.

@PenelopeMaynard7
3 hours ago

@RoryHerbert
my pleasure. thank you :heart_with_ribbon:

TruthForge
3 hours ago
What’s this ”

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@TruthForge
it is and thank you

TruthForge
3 hours ago
I support Patriotic Weekly. Is that a Pro White Business? Got my PA calendar hanging feet away and drink Towler Tea every day. Parallel.

@Carlota
3 hours ago

@PenelopeMaynard7
:folded_hands:

Carney Corner
3 hours ago
Buy Grandma Towlers and Above Time Coffee Etc

Carney Corner
3 hours ago
WE SHOULD SUPPORT Pro white businesses

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@AlbionForever
what if your bird is okay with the current state UK is rn?

@PenelopeMaynard7
3 hours ago

@Carlota
Thanks to His grace and mercy we are together through the ether. You’ve made my day.
“For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst…” Matthew
18:20

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Foreigners are NOT allowed to actually buy and pass down land in many nations. The least diverse ones.

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@Carlota
true, they shouldn’t.

Carney Corner
3 hours ago
EQUITY = TAX LIABILITY

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
Imagine if Farage didn’t stand. He would spend the next four years shouting from the stands instead of playing on the field.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@Carlota
I agree

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Well, that is a new one to me. “Fakeugees.” I think Lauryn Hill started with them.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Sweden is quite cheap in the forested areas

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@TruthForge
I wasn’t talking about fakeugees.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
I hear good things about Martha’s Vineyard. I believe it’s Mexican Cartel owned now. No crime.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago

@MilosM.
unless you are on an above-average income, or non white and able to run some kind of immigration scam, it’s very difficult these days.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Sweden

@MilosM.
3 hours ago
What about Martha’s Vineyard?

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@MilosM.
They are coming because they are ordered to. This is invasion, not organic grassroots.

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@AlbionForever
no purpose of bringing her to UK, mate?

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Look into buying property in North east England or southern Scotland, it’s very cheap up there.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
I hear good tings about the Ozarks.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
How can one build a wall of solitude within these legal systems that prioritize diversity above all else?

@TobyRadley
3 hours ago
the Ozarks work for me

TruthForge
3 hours ago
But the billionaire jews target areas like that with diversity. At least that is what happens here in the U.S.

@RoryHerbert
3 hours ago
Evening

@ToffeeL10
Sir.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
That’s the group run by that Aarvoll guy, right?

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago

@RoryHerbert
good evening my poshest friend, gtsy Ror

@WhiteLightKnight
3 hours ago
No! We cannot leave. This is ours and we need to fight for it.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@PenelopeMaynard7
More than welcome, we are lucky to have your support

Way of the World
3 hours ago

@TruthForge
:thumbs_up:

@RoryHerbert
3 hours ago
Good evening

@BillAtheling
my friend.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
or non white

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
Only power matters. We have to fight and replace the politicians and the first battle is Proportional Representation.

@PenelopeMaynard7
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
it’s an honor to help. thanks for your kind words. P.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Bringing a spouse to the UK is basically impossible now unless you are minted.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
I see this age we are entering into being a “Political” age, and nations wont be the purpose of their service. Boundary crossing interests, such as white existence, will be a the heart of the coming political movements.

@BillAtheling
3 hours ago

@RoryHerbert
evening Rory!

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
I would only leave if I ended up marrying a bird from another European country.

@RoryHerbert
3 hours ago
Dear

@PenelopeMaynard7
Thank you so much for your very generous contribution.

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@Carlota
hehehe nobody wants Tommy/

Mark Collett
3 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
hahahaha thank you!

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@PenelopeMaynard7
you are so generous Penelope thank you

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
Because Mark doesn’t usually swear, its weirdly satisfying when he calls someone a dickhead

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@Carlota
very wise

@PenelopeMaynard7
3 hours ago
$200.00
Dear Mark and Woodlander, A salient stream. No truer words. Many thanks for your wisdom. Best, Penelope N.B. Mark, Shall I email you at mark@thefallofwesternman.com? Thanks.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
He used his Irish passport to get into Canada because he has criminal convictions on his British passport. That’s why he got nicked over there, they discovered his record.

@Bres
3 hours ago
“The Anglo-Celtic council of Great Britain”. It would be just about the most potent way of raising people’s nationalist consciousness, whilst promoting and defending their interests.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Tommy’s living in the EU off an Irish passport

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@wayoftheworld
I remember you and Iconclast back in the days that YT hadn’t yeeted everyone. Hope he is well.

@RoryHerbert
3 hours ago
Please support The Woodlander Initiative at
https://woodlanderinitiative.co.uk/

@Lulu
3 hours ago
in my area they are priotising migrants with council or homes

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
$5.00
In my opinion the one does not exclude the other, Why not do both build communities and seek political power at the same time

@Kickchef
3 hours ago
The place with the minority White population would probably be good recruiting grounds, but not the place to set up

@BillAtheling
3 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
hello mate, btw thank you for your work the other night as mod on the stream with Joe, I forgot to thank you

@Lulu
3 hours ago
sign me up xD

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@wayoftheworld
You were instrumental to my waking up. I am glad to see you still going and hitting it hard on X. Thank you.

DerCherusker
3 hours ago
$5.00
Good episode, good guest.

TruthForge
3 hours ago
If white people weren’t prohibited from organizing by law, using an increasingly foreign policing force, then all this forced diversity crap (replacement) would immediately end.

Way of the World
3 hours ago
Good to see alternative solutions being proposed

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
i cannot wait to start building stuff on the land

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
I’d take living on the Woodlander’s plot over rotting in a big city waiting for Midget Maus to come and save me.

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago

@AlbionForever

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
yeah, that’s why we have the politics we have hahaha

@soundmoney
3 hours ago
hail woodie

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Wrong person.

@WhiteLightKnight
3 hours ago
What is Yorkshire or Lincolnshire like?

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Woops, wrong post, wrong place, sorry.

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago

@AlbionForever
im usually good at noticing things

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago

@TruthForge
can’t see who’s posts?

TruthForge
3 hours ago

@AlbionForever
– I cannot see their posts. I guess I’m the dick head?

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago

@BillAtheling
my favourite wool gtsy laa

The Pork Report
3 hours ago
Well said,

@Woodlader.4

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
In other words colonise our own country.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago

@ToffeeL10
mate, I’ve had it for about 3 months now :joy:

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
That’s extremely generous and kind of Woodlander wow

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago

@AlbionForever
just noticed your profile picture. You legend

@BillAtheling
3 hours ago
inspiring chat gentlemen

Anti Mattoid
3 hours ago
$26.00
Donation.

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
Society must get honest about it before it gets worse

@WhiteLightKnight
3 hours ago

@BloodyPirateSmith
Thanks I will look there.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Nah, he’s just dancing on the strings of his fruitcake bird

TruthForge
3 hours ago
We need to be very clear and use language that they can understand.

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
To live in peace in multiracial society is a ridiculous impossible dream

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Head

TruthForge
3 hours ago
Dick

Teutonic Truth
3 hours ago

@chuck
… Thank God for Mark Collett and all Loyalists

@BloodyPirateSmith
3 hours ago

@WhiteLightKnight
….Herefordshire…..

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
Liverpool is still over 75% white

@WhiteLightKnight
3 hours ago
I will move there

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
the more we try to include them the more they lash out. Time to cut bait

@Jewy-Von-Swindelstein
3 hours ago
We need to start behaving like Jews

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
lets buy a swimming pool. They hate swimming

@WhiteLightKnight
3 hours ago
Which county in England is the best to establish White strongholds?

@BloodyPirateSmith
3 hours ago

@BloodyPirateSmith
3 hours ago
….98%….

TruthForge
3 hours ago
I’d live there. Or very close at least.

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago

@Yagoda
It’s powerful truth that only a very select few know about

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
The state sends a diplomat to speak to their ‘community’ tribal leader.

@BloodyPirateSmith
3 hours ago
….we need to buy a farm next….

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
Community is a euphemism for colony

TruthForge
3 hours ago
$11.00
I support your efforts. Thank you for the content and the truth.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
*Stanley Levison

Oldgods
3 hours ago
Is there an estimate of like minded people to call on towards a set donation for a specific cause,does that make sense

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
We have them beat on both sides of the coin

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
Not only are we better Right Wingers but we are also better leftist in terms of equality, understanding and morals. Basically…they suck

NATFLIX
3 hours ago
I was at Rotherham, saw one placard, it was 99% locals.

John Frazer
3 hours ago
donate? moneys tight. most of us cant pay our bills.

@BritishGammon
3 hours ago
I think the regime would rather set the dogs on White folks rather than speak to a White community leader.

Teutonic Truth
3 hours ago
Trump Blaire Rogan Farage and Cucker Tarlson are malicious Cowards since they don’t promote PatrioticAlternative.org. uk

Lukie..!
3 hours ago
Yep!

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
they must not win.

@MilosM.
3 hours ago
6

@TheThinRedLine
i am also ethnonat. So much that I prefer ethnicity over race but I wont strictly adhere to it if necessary.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Do bear in mind that the US civil rights movement was heavily astroturfed with jewish money. Staney Levison was MLK’s speechwriter.

Teutonic Truth
3 hours ago

@chuck
… Not even close.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
*vacuum

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago

@Yagoda
I read a book by a Jewish guy on it and it wasn’t nearly as bad as its portrayed now

ViceVersaVice
3 hours ago
I appreciate this show. i like to have an accurate look into UK current events. I listened to Richie Allen for a while. Eventually it became clear he really is a baldy gammon.

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Nature abhors a vaccum

@AlbionForever
3 hours ago
Evening

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
If we focused on our interest only it would be amazing. We don’t need the 3rd world its them who need us

Teutonic Truth
3 hours ago
Six millions is the best estimate

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
my good mate from The Wirral stood as a candidate for the BNP. The Liverpool Echo did a vile hit piece on him because of it

Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
They can’t even have a consistent definition

AngryGoyJ
4 hours ago
far right – white people

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
$14.00
I think the system is making a mistake with these tyrannical laws , it will only make more people wake up

@Lulu
4 hours ago
iv seen asians are shouting we will kill you death to whites in front of the police and they dont do anything….

@dsallen7
4 hours ago
$15.00
The UK gov’t took a break from locking up their own citizens for standing in the wrong place, to arrest journalist Richard Medhurst under “terrorism” charges for being critical of Israel. Two sides of the same coin.

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@MilosM.
lol

@MilosM.
4 hours ago

@MarkCollett
going out Red Bull style.

@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
lmao

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
tyrannical system

AngryGoyJ
4 hours ago
it gives you wings

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
In a true and fair debate we would kick their ass and they know it therefore they go to these lengths

My Portal 2 chambers
3 hours ago
PA is that group, and any other group that might be created for White advocacy will be regarded the same as they regard PA.

@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
It’s actually the regime themselves that de-facto legitimize violence and hate but against the so-called ‘far-right’.

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
Farage is useless to us

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
Don’t see us pushing laws to shut them up. Especially not having a punch a whoever movement

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@Jewy-Von-Swindelstein
hmm sounds familiar

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@MilosM.
maybe so , they might not win though

@Jewy-Von-Swindelstein
3 hours ago
I am a social nationalist

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
I am an ethno Nationalist

@MilosM.
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
my gut what you have atm is telling me that your government is doing this on purpose in the attempt to rile you up further and humiliate, doing even more and more if you go and cower in the corner. As if they want civil war to happen so they can rid of you.

Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
These nonsensical definitions are just power plays so they can shut down any opposing views

@Jewy-Von-Swindelstein
4 hours ago
Just own the insult

𝙉𝙄𝙂𝙃𝙏 𝙉𝘼𝙏𝙄𝙊𝙉 𝙍𝙀𝙑𝙄𝙀𝙒
4 hours ago
$14.00
that is 100% what they are doing. They are criminalizing the dissent of the British people with nebulous terms. It’s horrifying to watch from America. The international overlords ultimately want the same for us too. Evil occupations.

Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago

@BritishGammon
Nailed it

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Blood and soil

@BritishGammon
4 hours ago
Nazi = anyone who disagrees with the regime

Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
Hypocrisy is what they do

Teutonic Truth
4 hours ago
They want calling Liars Liars to be outlawed.

Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
It’s subjective and a matter of personal opinion

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@AngryGoyJ
true

Mark Collett
4 hours ago
If I die from choking on this Red Bull, understand, it’s how I wanted to go out!

@BloodyPirateSmith
4 hours ago

@RoryHerbert

@RoryHerbert
4 hours ago
Please support The Woodlander Initiative at
https://woodlanderinitiative.co.uk/
if you would like to be part of a community that own their own land.

@Lulu
4 hours ago
hi mark and woodlander

Teutonic Truth
4 hours ago
CommonSense Nationalism will Prevail Going free w/ CommonSense..

Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
Obviously that’s tyranny

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
things are heating up

@BloodyPirateSmith
4 hours ago
….ahoy gents….

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@MilosM.
Hey there Mate

Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
We live in damn interesting times

@MilosM.
4 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
hey m8

@MilosM.
4 hours ago
Yes, woody!

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Woodie the man

@Homa_Tawk
4 hours ago
Simon!

AngryGoyJ
4 hours ago
Yea, and what are we going to do about it. the Internet is dead for white men

@Glen19
4 hours ago
$3.00
Japanese media is largely not available in English but they use Western immigrants as examples on the media of the slowly changing . Just like this article.
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2024/0412/japan-immigrants-local-government

@BritishGammon
4 hours ago
Can I say “White Lives Matter”? Oops, too late.

@Glen19
4 hours ago
$1.00
When I was assigned to work in India by my employer. There were White South Africans in the gated community that I lived in that played professional sports on Indian teams. Gori(term for loose White women) dancers for the film industry there and others

@Bluenose
4 hours ago
Is Wood late? Mark’s BP rising!

Teutonic Truth
4 hours ago
Our enemies are so Evil, they belong Under the gaol.

@BritishGammon
4 hours ago
#TwoTierPolicing

@Jewy-Von-Swindelstein
4 hours ago
oy vey!

@MilosM.
4 hours ago
The way UK is going I don’t wish it, but it’s gonna be civil conflict I am sure. People are getting riled up over their heads for every totalitarian policy that befalls upon them.

@Homa_Tawk
4 hours ago
F R E N S

Teutonic Truth
4 hours ago
PatrioticAlternative.org. uk

5PY_HUN73R
4 hours ago
Hell yes Woodlander o///

@Glen19
4 hours ago
$1.00
Many falsely believe it is impossible to take up residency & employment in foreign countries because there is a global conspiracy against White people. As someone who worked & lived in different countries in Asia I can say this is very false.

ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
Our land, Our future, Our freedom. The Woodlander Initiative, join us folks.

The Resident Baker
4 hours ago
Good evening all

Parken
4 hours ago
Good evening.

Vettekid1488
4 hours ago
he should be shunned

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Hello Folks

@SerenaJB
4 hours ago
Good evening.

Vettekid1488
4 hours ago
yeah, does this man still earn his living by Putting ink on White women??? that’s hypocritical..he admitted that the majority of his clients are female

Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
USA will break apart into ethnostates in 50 years

@Glen19
4 hours ago
$2.00
I don’t think waiting for a race war to break out after demographics become worse will ever happen. Many will do what persecuted populations in the past have done & emigrate. If nothing changes in the West. There will be mass emigration of those that can even to “third world” .

@MilosM.
4 hours ago
good evening all.

@Glen19
4 hours ago
$2.00
Sad to say Mr. Collett. I don’t think anything political was gained from the riots but it appears they will copy what happened in with Jan 6th people. Arrest & jail all of those involved wether actively or passively. What do you think?

@BillAtheling
4 hours ago
Evening folks

Stan1
4 hours ago
Evening

Inspire Eterna
4 hours ago
hi all

Chief Moody
4 hours ago
Evening troops

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

@WhiteLightKnight
4 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

@JohnSkywalker
4 hours ago
$3.00
… “do what must be done”. This can be seen in the final shot of the Twin Towers and the text “9 of 11 terrorists were killed”. Selling Gentiles on their methods is also done in their book “Rise and Kill Them First”. I recommend reading it if you havent done so already. Really gives you their mindset

@JohnSkywalker
4 hours ago
$3.00
Watched your film review of Munich. As for why the lead character by Eric Bana questions his actions; i think Spielberg made him sympathetic to appeal to Gentiles in the audience and any hesitation they may have fighting the war on terror. Ultimately, i think pro Zionist Spielberg was say to …

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Donation.

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Definitely looking forward to this one o/

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Damien Richardson: Welcome back to Damienrichardson.online where we are continuing, definitely today we’re continuing to have the difficult conversations. We’re talking to retired academic Frank Salter. Once we hear the title of the book that he’s recently published with a colleague of his, Harry Richardson. I think we might wonder whether he actually retired if he was thrown out of academia because the name of the book is Anglophobia, the Unrecognized Hatred.

 

Frank Salter, welcome to the show.

 

Frank Salter: Nice, nice to be here.

 

Damien Richardson: Now, Frank, what prepossessed you to even be to begin to write a book with that title?

 

Frank Salter: Well, what began it was I received a 6,000 word email, in effect from my co-author Harry Richardson. And he said:

 

“I’ve got an idea for an article.”

 

We thought it would be maybe about that long, 6,000 words. It went to almost ten times that.

 

And he had this argument, which is the structure of the book, which is talking about everyone else can have their home country but not us. Anglo Australians and all other European nations are not permitted to have their own country where they remain the super majority. Not just a 51% majority, but an 85, a 90% majority, which most other peoples aspire to. They might not have it, but they aspire to it. They can lobby for it, they can agitate for it and they’re not called Nazis. Right?

 

So territory is homeland is a basic one, or control of immigration and so on and so forth.

 

And I thought this is rhetorically really powerful.

 

So between us, his concept of the book became a book project, took us a year. And with my academic training together, it was a great combination. And we came up with this book that I think covers a lot of the sensitive areas.

 

Damien Richardson: The book was only recently published, wasn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, earlier this year [2023]

 

Damien Richardson: Earlier this year. How’s it been received in academic circles and also by the broader public?

 

Frank Salter: Not one review! It’s just been ignored, except on the dissident side of politics. It’s dissident Right. It’s been acknowledged, been reviewed. It was published initially in Quadrant magazine, which is Australia’s premiere intellectual magazine for conservatives. Quadrant magazine’s been running for 50, 60 years.

 

So it was published in a huge, you know, series, four long articles with other part of the book.

 

So that was good. And we had good responses from readers there.

 

But in academe, no, I think I can’t think of one review.

 

Damien Richardson: So why is it being ignored? Talk us through that process. Why would it be ignored? You have fine credentials, you worked overseas, as part of academia as well as in Australia, as well as your colleague, so why would it be ignored?

 

Frank Salter: Well, for the same reason that I could not find a job in Australia! I had to work overseas at a research Institute in Europe for 20 years. I couldn’t find work in Australia. Why? Because my field of study, it’s not Right-wing or anything, but I study human nature and how that underpins political systems.

 

So I’m a political scientist trained at Sydney University, PhD, Griffith University in Brisbane. My doctoral dissertation was published by Oxford University Press. You can’t do better than that. And my supervisor, [chuckling] my Professor said:

 

“You’ve got it. You’re home and hosed, Frank. You’re home and hosed! This is it!”

 

I mean, if Oxford publishes your PhD dissertation, you can just sort of name your position. It’s great!

 

No chance! I had just no chance. And for that same reason, the book is just ignored. Books on the Right are just ignored.

 

Damien Richardson: So it proves your thesis in many respects, doesn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: It does. It does!

 

Damien Richardson: And what is your thesis?

 

Frank Salter: That there’s been a Cultural Revolution which became manifest, it started earlier, but it became manifest in the 1960s with the student rebellions across the West. And then went through the 1970s. It’s called the Counterculture. I mean, it was pretty easy to notice. And it was called a Cultural Revolution, but it went much deeper.

 

And what it reflected was a change in cultural elites right through the West’s history and the history of other countries. Their intellectual elites have reflected, have belonged to the people, they’ve been part of the people, they’ve come from the people often, and they haven’t critiqued or sought to tear down the basic society, the structure of society and so on.

 

They’ve actually been loyal to it, although critical here and there, of course, being intellectuals got to be critical of something, I suppose. But they wouldn’t want to tear down the whole structure. That changed.

 

Now there’s a literature on this. Eric Kaufman, for example, his 2004 book, The Rise and Fall of Anglo America. Eric Kaufman, still alive, valuable colleague, Harvard University Press. This is mainstream academy.

 

And he pointed out that by the 1950s, the cosmopolitan Left had captured elite American universities. The American university system at the top, not the bottom of it. There is like two or 3,000 American universities, most of them low powered two year colleges. But the elite ones, Princeton, Harvard and the big state systems, those universities were in effect captured by the late 1950s.

 

Ten years later, you have the student uprising, hating America, hating its history, hating their ancestors! Which really peaked in the 1970s. And people look back and they think:

 

“Oh, yeah, that’s interesting. But it’s gone now.”

 

No, it’s not gone! The rebels are now Professors! The rebels became the Professors. The rebels change the curriculum so that our school system now in Australia, this trickled down to Australia, because all these academic disciplines are global.

 

So you have the Society for Political Science, for example, has international connections. They’re all linked.

 

[07:15]

 

Damien Richardson: As a result of our connection to the US Empire, because we’re part of that empire, a suzerain, I would say of the American empire, and as a result, that Civil Rights Movement that you talk about, that really took hold in the sixties, then we got it, by Corollary, to just to maintain, to be part of that empire. Is that right?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, I think there is a connection, but it’s deeper than that there are civilizational connections. So Australia was traditionally connected with Britain, and Britain had the peak academic bodies, and then Australian universities would hire them.

 

Now, as we matured, we trained up our own academics. Fine. But any serious scientific or academic discipline will be global, will be international, because it doesn’t matter who comes up with an idea. It can be black skinned, White skin, could be Asian, could be whatever. If it’s truth, it’s truth! If it’s science, it’s science! So these disciplines are fundamentally international in their outlook.

 

And so when you have dominant metropolitan powers, such as Britain during its Empire days or America during its empire days, it has tremendous ability to capture that, to influence the overall flavor of disciplines and also of culture.

 

So America also was a major, the global major exporter of popular culture, Hollywood, musical culture, and so on.

 

And part of that, Britain became part of that power structure. So these ideas flowed down. So Australian, for example, Australian immigration policy has roughly remained in sync with American immigration policy.

 

So America opened its doors to third world immigration in 1965, a piece of legislation which dismantled what they had in place, which basically forged, made America what it was, which is an extension of European civilization. 1965, that was dismantled. In Australia, it was 1969.

 

So there’s been a rough correspondence.

 

Why? Because these trends are international. And it’s not just because of who is currently in power in America. It’s deeper than that it’s more Deep State. It’s more Deep State, or establishment power involved.

 

Damien Richardson: Yeah, because it’s not party political then, is it at all? Because the 69 would have been a Liberal prime minister in Australia.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly!

 

Damien Richardson: [Harold] Holt. Yes, to brought about this cultural change.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! So it began mildly, and then it became more and more radical, and you had Whitlam. And already Whitlam’s 72 to 75 were his years. Already he introduced political multiculturalism as the official ideology, which from then on, more and more governed immigration policy and also domestic ethnic policy.

 

Who’s on top? What is the ethnic hierarchy? Well, it wasn’t us on top anymore, I can tell you! [chuckling] It flipped the hierarchy to be minority centric!

 

Damien Richardson: So the White Anglo Saxon Protestant was on top previous to this cultural shift. You’re saying that occurred post Second World War?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, and this was the case from the beginning. The Australian immigration policy made Australia. It forged what we are, our basic identity, which is at its heart, its Anglo, but in the broader sense of being Western civilization and so on.

 

So it encompasses Irish, encompasses Scottish, and goes beyond the British Isles to people from a broad European background.

 

Now, we had a shock to the system in the mid-19th century during the gold rushes, when there was, for a time, unrestricted Chinese immigration. And the Chinese being what they are, hardworking, studious, and they went overseas. There was a gold rush. Why wouldn’t they? But it didn’t work out culturally. It was a disaster, actually, culturally! And that really shocked the six colonies because several of them had their own gold rushes at different times. It was a shock!

 

And so when the Federation movement began in the 1890s and then culminated in 1901 with the Commonwealth being created, the first piece of legislation, the first was the Restrictive Immigration Act. That was the first, the most important thing that they had on the table. And they said:

 

“Well, obviously, we must have, …”

 

The point wasn’t, as the Left would say:

 

“Oh, it’s Anglo supremacism!”

 

The point was assimilation. That was the point! The point was to bring people in who would readily assimilate.

 

And in the great speeches leading up to Federation and immediately after Federation, they pointed at the United States as a negative example of where not to go if you want to have a cohesive country. They pointed to the civil war. They pointed to slavery, the terrible conflict over freeing the black slaves. And this terrible conflict, which killed 600,000 Americans, it was. Tore America apart during the civil war in the 1860s. And they said:

 

“We don’t want that!”

 

So they were determined. So Australian immigration policy can be taken back, actually taken back, right to Arthur Phillips, the first governor, or Hunter immediately after him. When it was put to him:

 

“Listen, we need more women. Let’s bring in some women from the Pacific islands, from the South Pacific. We can find lots of women there!”

 

And [chuckling] he said:

 

“No, I think we’ll do it ourselves. I think we can bring women.”

 

If he’d made a different decision, our history would be different. We’d now be a different people.

 

Damien Richardson: We’ll be paying a lot more reparations to another group of people, too. [chuckling] At this particular point in time.

 

That Restrictive Immigration Act that you’re talking about now is, there’s no subtlety or no understanding of where it’s actually come from historically, like you’ve just talked us through. It’s just used, it’s weaponized now against the nation as just being inherently “racist” from its inception.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And what is not taught is that this goes back to some pretty wise people contributed to that policy. My favorite, I have two favorites. One is the great English scholar, what was his name? John Stuart Mill. The father of liberalism, by the way.

 

Damien Richardson: On liberty. Yes.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah. And the father of women’s rights. He wrote the first major essay on saying:

 

“This is outrageous, that women don’t have the vote!”

 

And so on.

 

So he was a really fundamental pioneer of liberalism. He wrote another book that the Left never talks about, [chuckling] which was called On Nationality. I think it was called On Nationality. And he said:

 

“You know, if you want to have a cohesive country, you need to have it formed from people of the same background.”

 

And you put it differently. He approached it from the point of view of individual rights, which you’d expect a liberal to do. What would a person with liberty choose? And he said:

 

“If you just look at the world, what people choose to do is live among their own kind. They choose that.”

 

And by the way, that’s true in Australia, now! It’s true in every multicultural society. You get people clustering! Clustering together! Not because they’re whipped there, but because they choose! They want it. They live among comfortable people.

 

Now, as intermarriage happens, that blurs, of course, and you get integration happening. But sometimes you don’t get integration happening. Like the American racial scene is a disaster! Because the intermarriage rate between black and white, it’s there, but it’s very low, at a very low standard.

 

Damien Richardson: So you talk about these things. What explains the inconsistencies? Because I think of many instances now, like India seems to remain predominantly Indian. There seems to be no problem with that. I guess they would point to the British Raj and they would use that as an excuse to say, you know:

 

“Look what happened when we let you guys in.”

 

Japan remains ostensibly Japanese.

 

And of course, the nation state you’re not allowed to talk about is made as ethnocentric as Israel, and that seems to maintain its ethnic identity without a problem.

 

So why is it a problem, as you outline right from the get go, that a White nation cannot identify itself as being such? Where’s that inconsistency coming from, that hypocrisy?

 

[16:43]

 

Frank Salter: I’m not sure, I’m not sure.

 

But this is a field of academic research that’s ongoing. I’m not sure, but I have some insights, I think. Some facts we can point at.

 

To begin with, multiculturalism is a “mongrel theory” or is a “mongrel movement”. I’m using that term advisedly, because we’ll call it an unholy alliance between the far-Left, radical, (((cosmopolitan))) Left.

 

On the one side. And they’re the master, the power center.

 

But they have as clients, minorities, typically immigrant minorities, but sometimes indigenous minorities. That’s the truth in Australia as well.

 

So multiculturalism is a combine of the far-Left and the far tribal Right, but limited to minorities.

 

Now how can such contradiction hold together? And the reason it holds together is they have a common enemy. Who’s that? It’s us! It’s Western nations who have brought in immigrants. And it’s based on a partly on a Marxist, fundamental Marxist critique of the West, of Western nations. Globalists and globalism is a strong thread in this. Globalism is opposed to borders per se. It’s opposed to identity, religious, cultural, ethnic, it’s opposed to all that it’s saying:

 

“It’s the brotherhood of man and sisterhood of mankind, utopia.”

 

So the utopia is:

 

“Oh, we’ll have a world government, and once we’ve had that, and once everyone’s mixed together and no borders, no more war! War will go! We won’t have any more war!”

 

So you have Mr Brown, the ex-head of the Australian Greens, for example, has been repeatedly calling for a “Global government”.

 

Damien Richardson: Yes

 

Frank Salter: Without thinking:

 

“What is in the interests of the Australian people?”

 

And the last thing we want is a global government elected on proportional representation.

 

Because if I lived in the third world, the first thing I would vote for is stripping Australia of its wealth and spreading it across, around the third world.

 

Of course, of course that’s what I want.

 

These Western societies, not all Western. Japan has done the same. South Korea has done the same. So Singapore has done the same. Have created a law governed basically with human rights, civil rights, tremendously wealthy, generous welfare systems. These are attractive societies. And other people are naturally they’re envious. They’re envious of that. And they want to be there if they can. Many of them want to be there.

 

I think a figure of something close to a billion people around the world want to move to the West, that would like to move to a Western country.

 

Damien Richardson: It’s an impossibility, isn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: No! It’s absolutely possible!

 

Damien Richardson: To have a billion people move to the West and for it to maintain its sense of self.

 

Frank Salter: Oh, you’ve added, you’ve added some conditions there! Yeah. Absolutely agree with you. It’s impossible if one wants to preserve the West.

 

But if you set that aside, as our cultural elites do, because our elites are not., … Our elites are, in effect, hostile. I think they’re more cold than hostile. They just don’t care. They don’t have a sense of identity.

 

There’s a great book written in Britain about ten years ago called The Somewheres and the Anywheres, that the fundamental divide in politics is between people who identify with the local.

 

Damien Richardson: Yes

 

Frank Salter: Identify as Australians or poms, or they identify as Germans or Hungarians or Chinese or whatever it might be.

 

And then you have this very small (((elite))), the 1% who could be anywhere.

 

[20:49]

 

Damien Richardson: Cosmopolitan, urban elite, internationalist in their understanding of place and location. Yeah.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And they send their children to whatever, international schools. And they’re so wealthy these people, are typically billionaires, or with wealth in the hundreds of millions. But not only they are financially secure, not only their children are financially secure, as the money trickles down, their grandchildren and great grandchildren will be financially secure! So they feel, and they live in gated suburbs. The children go to private elite schools.

 

So these are the modern citizens of the world. Basically they don’t care about anyone.

 

Damien Richardson: So it’s a new feudalism, isn’t it? It’s a new feudalistic class!

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, absolutely! So it’s becoming a mainstream view in the United States political science discipline, now that America has not been a democracy for quite some time. It’s a plutocracy.

 

Damien Richardson: And you talk about the Civil Rights Movement, you talk about it coming to Australia, particularly born in the US and coming to Australia around 69. Harold Holt is the so-called conservative prime minister, Liberal [Party] at the time.

 

So is democracy a shame? Is it just, there’s a bureaucratic global elite that is actually in control? It makes absolutely no difference who you would vote for, it’s just window dressing. It’s just a pretense to democracy, because it’s going to dominate no matter what this urban global elite want to happen. And it’s rolling out, as you say, rightly, across the West. It doesn’t matter who’s in power?

 

Frank Salter: I think there’s a lot of truth in that. I wouldn’t go that far, but I’m in that direction. I think that it’s getting that way. For example, it does matter who we vote for. There’s Left globalists and there’s Right globalists. The Right globalists are these very wealthy billionaires and so on.

 

The Left globalists are the Marxist, neo-Marxian, utopian thinkers. So it does matter who you vote for.

 

For example, just to give one recent example, in Australia, if one voted Labor, if Labour had continued to rule from Keating [Paul-Labor Party] on, the boats would not have been stopped. Labor was slow to drag themselves kicking and screaming to the realization:

 

“We must stop the boat people.”

 

Howard [John-Liberal Party], to his credit, to stopped that. Howard still in effect, a globalist, though. Because the legal immigration policy was flooding Australia, creating all these minority communities that didn’t have to be there. So he was a disaster for Australia! But a disaster of a different kind to Labor. You see what I mean?

 

Damien Richardson: But the trajectory was still the same. There was still an increase in net immigration to Australia under Howard from what had happened previously. You even say under Keating.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And what’s missing in all these policy areas is the “majority founding nation perspective”.

 

So that is blocked out in the West. By the way, not in India, where the Hindu nationalists have been ruling for many years now with Modi as their prime minister. Not in China, which has realized that Marxism is just rubbish and they’re moving to legitimize their rule, rather dictatorial rule, with ethno-nationalism.

 

Damien Richardson: Is it a National Socialist country, China?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah!

 

Damien Richardson: With the Han Chinese as the pre-eminent, …

 

Frank Salter: Yeah. The problem with using a term like that is you conjure up Nazi Germany and it gets, you know, it confuses the issue. But one might argue, technically they’re National Socialists. But that term itself is loaded. It has a lot of baggage. But they’re an ethnic nationalist, authoritarian government.

 

And Australia is not forming its immigration policy according to what they are. Australia’s immigration policy is being conducted as if we know nothing about ethnicity or nationalism! As if we know nothing! We know a lot! The social sciences have come a long way.

 

We know, for example, that ethnocultural, especially religious as well, diversity is negative. There are serious costs to social cohesion and to economic growth of diversity! But you wouldn’t know that if you look at Australian government policy, you wouldn’t know that they talk about the “joy of diversity”. They talk about “diversity as our strength”. That’s a complete lie! That’s a complete lie!

 

We know diversity is costly. And in the end, it lowers the threshold to civil war.

 

So there have been illustrious studies done by political scientists, have shown again and again, diversity is a risk factor for civil war, for breakdown and so on.

 

Civil conflict!

 

Damien Richardson: I’ve heard some people say that that’s potential for the US in particular, for there to be Civil War 2.0. Is that something you could envision happening?

 

Frank Salter: Well, it’s absolutely horrific if it happened! A way to approach it from a Political Science perspective would be the break-up of the United States. Is the United States heading in the direction of a break-up? And it is in that direction.

 

But I think there are tremendous barriers to a real civil war getting underway.

 

But its heading in that direction. For example, and it’s not just America. Around the West, trust in the government is just collapsing. Trust in the major political parties is falling away.

 

So in Australia, the major political parties have never enjoyed a lower, never had a lower support from the population. All these minor parties popping up, right. People are just losing confidence, losing trust in the government. I think belatedly. They should have lost his trust 50 years ago when it became obvious that the nation was no longer favored by the broader political system. Instead, minorities are being favored.

 

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Damien Richardson: But it’s an impossibility to lose faith in it because what can you do? There’s a compulsory voting system and if you don’t vote, you’re outside of the system anyway.

 

So the system still continues on as a result. Because through the two party preferred system, it’s almost an impossibility to bring about any realistic change. And because weaponization of the media, of the corporate media, it won’t allow any voices to operate outside of the very particular Overton Window it creates.

 

That’s why your book is being ignored. And that’s why this conversation we’re having now, if it was to ever gain any mainstream traction, we would be dismissed as being “fascists”!

 

Frank Salter: I think you’re wrong, … Luckily! I think you’re wrong, gladly!

 

Damien Richardson: Yeah.

 

Frank Salter: What you just said is based on a lot of unfortunate facts.

 

But there’s another side to it. That the solution is not political, it’s cultural. Because what we’re suffering is the downstream effect of a Cultural Revolution in the sixties and seventies. So it’s cultural.

 

Next we have the Internet. So technological change has made it more and more difficult for elites to monopolize the means of cultural production and distribution against Marxism.

 

Damien Richardson: And that’s a real concern to them. That’s what their Misinformation, Disinformation Bill’s about, I’m sure.

 

Frank Salter: Absolutely, absolutely!

 

Now, one thing that’s fascinating is the closer we, especially the Anglo-sphere, comes to the majority being demographically submerged, so we can’t fight back politically because we’ll be in the minority. In America, it’s in 20 years time. 20 years time, they’re predicted to be minority White.

 

And Australia, we keep such poor records, it’s not difficult to know what the ethnic proportions are. But we’re on a similar track, I’d say maybe a bit longer. In Britain, it’s not as bad.

 

What’s strange is that the closer we get to that submergence and that final defeat, the more totalitarian the establishment’s becoming. We get these draconian laws coming in! With these so-called, it’s ironic, “Human Rights Commissions”! It’s quite ironic, Human Rights Commission. What are they there for?

 

Basically to crush the free speech of the majority! They’re essentially an anti-free speech organization!

 

Damien Richardson: Or the anti-White, aren’t they, in their underpinnings?

 

Frank Salter: Especially White! Especially White. They’re there to crush!

 

So why is that? Why are they becoming more draconian? And how can it be that every major social media company was on the side of, for example, the Covid lockdowns? They censored anyone, any Dissident Voices saying:

 

“Oh, hold on, what about the antivirals? Couldn’t we use it? Just use well tested antiviral?”

 

“No, no! You’re a terrorist! You’re a denier!”

 

You know, why is it happening now? And I don’t know why. But just to speculate. It could be that because they have the power, they’re doing it.

 

But that doesn’t explain. Elon Musk is a standout because he’s taken over Twitter time now. He’s taken it over and he wants more free speech in that area.

 

But why is he a standout? Why aren’t social media companies across the political spectrum? What you would expect. Some on the left, some on the Right, some of the most clustering in the middle. No, they’re all on the cosmopolitan Left! Censoring patriots, censoring people with different views on Covid or whatever the topic might be. How can that work?

 

Damien Richardson: Elon Musk is in a battle at the moment, isn’t he? With the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, which is a jewish organization. And they’ve really gone after Musk because he’s opened up the people that can now engage with his social media platform, Twitter, now known as X. Platform X. That’s a really seminal fight, isn’t it? That’s a fight I would have never seen happening, even four or five years ago. That someone would take on the power of something like the Anti-Defamation League.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, I prefer to call it the “DL”. The Defamation League. That’s what they define, destroy people’s careers and lives. They’re basically a hate group. ADL is a hate group!

 

Damien Richardson: That’s what they do now, isn’t it? They weaponize, … Take away your livelihood, …

 

Frank Salter: People don’t realize, that, for example, the de-banking movement, who was it? The, who’s the who’s the politician in the UK was just de-banked?

 

Damien Richardson: Oh, yeah, Nigel Farage.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah.

 

Frank Salter: But he’s just the latest.

 

Damien Richardson: He’s the tip of the iceberg as someone, that one that they’re willing to actually talk about. But there’s others have been de-banked, including Australian dissidents, for many years before now.

 

Frank Salter: One might not agree with their politics, but it’s typically on the Right. They don’t debank (((cosmopolitans))), they don’t debank people on the left, they don’t debank feminists, LGBTQI plus, whatever it might be! No, no! They wouldn’t be de-banked. It’s only patriots and people on the Right. Others on the Right.

 

But about the ADL, they’re not much of a jewish organization anymore, I can tell you. They have in the leadership, there’s severe criticizms of Israel. From their cosmopolitan perspective. Israel does not really have a right to exist as a jewish state. And if it’s not a jewish state, it’s really the whole Zionist mission has been frustrated. So Israel is also suffering from., … And it’s ironic because there’s a jewish contingent on the left. I understand that. But they’re often not friendly to Israel at all!

 

Damien Richardson: Jonathan Greenblatt heads it, doesn’t he?

 

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Frank Salter: Jonathan Greenblatt! He’s no great friend of Israel, if you ask me. I don’t see that.

 

So they’ve become rogue in a way. They were initially a jewish organization, but they’ve become rogue. They’re not really friendly to Israel. Israel can only survive by controlling its borders, its immigration policy, for example. And making sure that they have a super majority within the country, not 100% majority, but a large majority.

 

The same thing goes for Hungary, for China, for Australia, for any country! If the state does not reflect the interests of the majority. Protecting minority rights, of course, that’s liberal democracy. You protect everyone’s individual rights. But group rights should be protected. The majority founding group should be protected, it seems to me.

 

And that’s what’s changed in Australia and America and Britain and across the West. The state apparatus has, since the 1970s, say, not supported the interests of the majority.

 

Now that’s an incredible statement! Because what would you expect in a democracy? Rule of the majority! With minority rights protected. That makes it a liberal democracy, not just democracy. Democracy can be savage, democracy can be unpleasant.

 

But if you have liberal democracy, you have individual rights protected constitutionally and legally. Separated, …

 

Damien Richardson: Equality under the rule of law. Equality under the rule of law.

 

Frank Salter: But that doesn’t mean that you can ignore the interests of the majority. Then it’s not even democratic anymore!

 

So this is what’s happened. And we need to somehow take back our countries and find a way to reverse this Cultural Revolution that’s occurred, where that has given us hostile elites!

 

Damien Richardson: How can that happen? How could it happen that the majority would be subsumed by a minority and the minority would have a whip hand, morally end up having a whip hand? It’s only because of the compliance of the majority, isn’t it?

 

So somehow it’s been weaponized against us through the institutions, particularly through education, where you feel a sense of guilt. They pick on Australia particularly and probably get to talking about The Voice debate that’s upon at the moment. The guilt that we’re given for our inhabitation of this landmass in the first place.

 

But somehow anyone that comes post Second World War is okay. They’re forgiven for inhabiting the land mass, but those with any antecedents before the Second World War are not forgiven.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And it’s universal.

 

So when I was living in Europe, my colleagues in Europe couldn’t believe. They said:

 

“Yeah. But France is especially evil because we had the we had the empire!”

 

Damien Richardson: Yes.

 

Frank Salter: Or the Germans would say:

 

“No, no, no! You’re okay. But we had the Holocaust in World War Two!”

 

And I said to them:

 

“Guys, you’re not special! We’re all in the same boat. In Australia we have the Aborigines, we have this. We were colonialists and we had the White Australia Policy! The White Australia Policy!”

 

And they looked at me, and I said:

 

“You’re not special. Every country, the majority, is demonized!”

 

Now, how can that be? Is Europe such an evil place, that uniquely evil? All the European countries must be replaced by other people! That’s the implication.

 

Damien Richardson: And that’s why the other people want to go there in the first place! Because inherently evil, that they can’t wait to get out of their own country and come potentially to start a new life with more prosperity in a Western democracy.

 

Frank Salter: That’s right. That’s right. I don’t know the answer to all this, but there are some strange things happening. You ask me how? Well, I can give some micro information on that.

 

For example, let’s consider, say, two prime ministers, Malcolm Fraser [Liberal Party PM 1975 to 1983] and Bob Hawke [Labor Party PM 1983 to 1991], absolutely instrumental in installing multiculturalism against the wishes of the Australian people.

 

Whenever the Australian people were polled:

 

“Would you want more Asian immigration?”

 

Or whatever it might be. And they said:

 

“Well, no, we’d actually prefer to remain who we are, actually.”

 

There was no great hatred involved, just normal human ethnocentrism! Ethnocentrism is an adaptive psychological state. It’s where you’re self regarding. You like your own children, doesn’t mean you hate other children. You just like you care mostly for your own children and for your own family.

 

And then it goes out to your neighbors and so on to your nation. It doesn’t mean you hate other people.

 

And if you don’t think that way, you can’t invest in anyone!

 

Because if you’re giving to the world, what does that mean actually, to give money to the world? It means nothing! It’s incredibly, incredibly selfish, in fact! Because you give to no one!

 

So Bob Hawke once admitted in an interview, he said:

 

“Look, it would have been impossible to establish multiculturalism, a nation, of non-White immigration, if both parties had not co-operated.”

 

Cooperation of the parties, a bipartisan policy. Before him, Malcolm Fraser, who many on the left see as some sort of hard Right figure. The guy was a, in effect, a neo-Marxist! He was a traitor to his class. He was a traitor to his country, in effect.

 

And he wrote in his memoirs, he said:

 

“I don’t believe the Australian people should be permitted to vote on immigration, because they always get it wrong! They just get it wrong! They get it wrong! Why can’t they be like me?”

 

Bob Hawke came along and gave us a famous speech, the Bicentenary. The tall ships are about to sail into Sydney Harbour, right? 200 years since 1788. So 26 January, the prime minister of the country stands up and gives this great speech and he said:

 

“There is no ethnic hierarchy in Australia. How do we define an Australian? There’s no ethnic hierarchy.”

 

“Ethnic hierarchy”, hat’s a really ugly, loaded term. What he meant was, what is Australian identity? And he said:

Damien Richardson: Unusual! Not a great cohort. Not a huge cohort. [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: And say he falls in love with The Country Doctor, with A Country Practice, or whatever it might be.

 

Damien Richardson: Oh, yes, yes, yes, sir.

 

Frank Salter: Just imagine that. And he thinks:

 

“Wow, what a great country! I feel a real commitment to Australia!”

 

According to our prime minister, he’s an Australian. But contrast him with an Australian who’s not happy with some area of our policy, like our stance towards immigration laws.

 

Damien Richardson: Say, for example, … [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: A lot of Australians are unhappy with current policy. And Bob Hook might say:

 

“Well, you’re not an Australian. You’re not an Australian! You don’t feel a commitment to Australia!”

 

But the person from Inner Mongolia is an Australian.

 

So the reason I’m reminded of this speech, because I hate to admit that I was alive at the time, but sees.

 

Damien Richardson: So was I Very young. Very young.

 

Frank Salter: [chuckling] Yeah. An interview given by John Howard recently, like three weeks ago, in which he referred to that speech and said:

 

“Yeah, everything he said was true.”

 

So John Howard did not have the intellectual nous to think this through for himself.

 

Now, how can that be? Well, the problem with this sort of micro approach of looking at this little example and what he said and what she said, is that it can miss the big picture.

 

The big picture is that every prime minister since Gough Whitlam [Labor Party PM 1972 to 1975] has basically been minority centric, has put minorities first, for example, in immigration policy. Every one! They can’t all have had bad character. It can’t be:

 

“Yeah, but he was selfish or he was nasty or he was a recovering alcoholic or he was haughty!”

 

No! There must be some systemic reason for it. There must be some, … And it’s to do with the Cultural Revolution. Again, it comes back to culture.

 

Damien Richardson: And it comes back to that globalist enterprise that we talked about earlier on. And it comes back to legacy for people that particularly say, Howard, for example, who got into so much trouble over the apology, etcetera, refused to apologize. Indigenous people turning their backs, painted in the media very much as being a racist, etcetera. Now think of his legacy. His legacy will be painted within the apparatus of state, which demands a multiethnic understanding of the West!

 

Frank Salter: Yeah.

 

So, I mean, if a politician wants to survive and work his or her way up through a major political party, there’s going to be screening, screening, along the lines you just stated. And if they get it wrong too often, they’ve got no future. They’ve got no future.

 

Damien Richardson: Well, they have no future within the political structure itself. It’s very clever, because there’s someone, you’ll have a colleague that can use it and weaponize it against you, to get rid of you as a potential opponent within the apparatus, whether it’s the Liberal Party, Labor Party, Greens, wherever, it makes no difference.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, yeah. It’s a savage system!

 

Now, this can’t be explained without understanding the role of the media. The media have been very important. That’s why there’s such battles going on now, like Musk taking over Twitter and so on, we were discussing.

 

So this is another aspect that is not fully explained from my point of view. But the facts are there, that without the co-operation of the mainstream media, which began as just newspapers. The mainstream media was once just newspapers and there were very few universities, this sort of thing with that level of book reading and so on.

 

So it was the newspapers. And then you got newspapers and radio. And the newspapers, radio and television from the 1940s, fifties on. Why were they on side with this?

 

Well, one, from that theory of corporatism, corporate globalism, it sort of makes sense, that the big media companies were all bought by large global corporations.

 

Damien Richardson: They’re owned by them, they’re an extension of them, they’re an arm of them.

 

Frank Salter: I think the solution is going to be in that direction of corporate ownership and so on.

 

And this is why we’re having such turmoil right now, because the Internet has upset that power structure. To some extent.

 

Damien Richardson: To some extent. Because you get banned off the Internet very, very readily, very quickly.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And they began to look for ways to control access to the Internet from an early, … They realized this was a danger to them, and they began looking for ways of controlling that.

 

So again, along this line, which is sort of neo-Marxist, by the way, it’s sort of focusing on economic processes. So they began looking at that and buying up the major media companies, the major social media companies, I mean, big tech and so on.

 

So, the example of Musk is the exception that proves a rule. The example of these thousands upon thousands of small scale media, … Oh, such as yourself. You’re using this medium to get around this censorship and so on.

 

They’re the exceptions that sort of prove the rule, in a way.

 

Damien Richardson: Musk is an interesting figure, isn’t he? Because he wants to neuro link us all, he wants to microchip humanity.

 

Frank Salter: Well, I don’t know whether he likes to, but he’s got this corporation that’s working in that direction.

 

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Damien Richardson: I’ll just say we’ve been here before, haven’t we? Like as a culture, Australia, there was a huge antipathy between Protestantism and Catholicism. Catholics need not apply for government jobs for a long period of time. Somehow we’ve seemed to have moved to a point beyond that. Is it a possibility. Like:

 

“Oh, what are we talking about with this? Because Australia is a multi-ethnic state now, you can’t unbake the souffle.”

 

Is there a possibility for us to move forward as a cohesive entity? Are you saying that demands a predominantly Anglo population and therefore that’s the defining identity of that community?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, my approach is different. And in Anglo-phobia book, the position we take in that is the reality is, as you say, we have a diverse Australia, so that’s the reality. So Australia after World War Two 98 percent Anglo-Celtic. Was 98%. There was some lingering friction between the Irish Catholics and the Protestants, yes, and so on.

 

But that’s largely been overcome. Perhaps not in the New South Wales Labor Right, but it’s still largely overcome. That’s not the case anymore. So we’ve been diversified.

 

Now, because the nation is so diverse, one can’t talk about a single united interest always applying in Australia.

 

So, for example, in immigration policy, one might argue immigration policy should reflect the interests of the nation as a whole. Okay? That sounds noble. That sounds noble, and I support that.

 

But also, it’s difficult to have immigration policy without it favoring one group over another.

 

So, for example, every group wants access from its own group. Chinese, Australians, we don’t want discrimination against Chinese immigrants, Burmese, Greek, whatever it might be. Well, they can’t all be pleased! Unless we have an open door policy. We have an open door policy, it’s suicide for Australia! But if we do begin to restrict it, well, however we do restrict, it’s going to favor one group over another.

 

So what I think is necessary as a starting position is for Anglo Australians. And that’s a very broad category. It’s very broad. Anyone who’s assimilating into the mainstream Australian identity is for them to say, what about us? What about us? All these policies, multiculturalism, open door immigration policy has been formulated without our input!

 

In fact, the result of opinion polls, have just been ignored! They’ve just been ignored. There’s willful ignoring of Anglo interests in Australia!

 

And I think if Anglos are brought into the multicultural system, which theoretically is Democratic and fair, theoretically, multiculturalism says:

 

“Well, people should be able to express their own interests.”

 

Damien Richardson: Yeah

 

Frank Salter: That sounds reasonable. People should be able to vote and lobby according to their own interests and the interests of their religious or cultural community. Yes, that seems fair. Why shouldn’t they be able to do that?

 

But in reality, that’s not, … In reality, they say:

 

“Yes for all, except one, the Australian majority, except one group, can’t talk!”

 

Damien Richardson: But as you say, it’s happening globally, it’s happening in Europe and it’s happening in the US, it’s happening in New Zealand, I’m sure Canada here. Is it a fantasy in some respects, what you’re suggesting? Because power is power, and power will need an enemy, and power will vilify whoever it’s taking its power from. And now globalist structure is taking power from those former holders of that power, which is those communities, those Anglo Saxon, Celtic, western European communities.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, look, I think the reality is we have oligopoly. We are an oligopoly globally. Rule of the rich, the rule of the powerful, of the elite. But we can’t stop resisting! We can’t stop resisting! Democracy was born going back to Magna Carta and so on.

 

Democracy was born by little people finding their champion, like the Catholic Church. The church in Britain helped Magna Carta in 1215. So different elites said:

 

“Yeah, we also have a problem with the King, with absolute power of the King.

 

We also have a problem with making rules up as he goes along. So we want rule of law.”

 

This sort of thing. So it’s always a struggle. It’s always a struggle. And we’ve had it so good in Australia and other Anglophone countries for so long that it’s been just taken. Taken for granted:

 

“Oh, yeah, it’s a free country!”

 

When I was a little boy, you say:

 

“You can’t do that!”

 

“It’s a free country!”

 

It was a free country. By historical comparison, the freest countries that have ever existed. But that had only come about through struggle, through fighting for our rights.

 

And now we’re technologically equipped with the Internet and so on, to establish our own parallel institutions, which I think is a very important movement taking place. And why not, in principle, create or influence our own banks? Banks that do stand by freedom of speech and freedom of association.

 

Damien Richardson: Is that happening?

 

Frank Salter: It’s actually happening.

 

Damien Richardson: People are building their own banking institutions?

 

Frank Salter: That’s beginning. The example I’ve come across is, what’s that? An American social media website. I’m so sorry. It escaped my mind!

 

Damien Richardson: That’s okay.

 

Frank Salter: It’s a Christian website. And I hear that this is a trend, very slow, but it is happening. So the parallel institutions are being set up. Jordan Peterson. Someone as famous as people will have heard of Jordan Peterson. He’s setting up his own university.

 

Damien Richardson: Yes.

 

Frank Salter: And there’s more than him. It’s not just him. There are others doing this, because they realize universities are critical to our survival. The survival of freedom. Absolutely!

 

Damien Richardson: That’ll be co-opted by the power structure as it is now, won’t it, and give you the pretense of there being alternative? But the power source will not allow an alternative power source to exist.

 

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Frank Salter: Not necessarily. Not necessarily. I wouldn’t be too black pilled about it. A great term. I wouldn’t be too black pilled.

 

Of course, that is a trend, and one should keep a sharp eye for that happening. Co-option, of course, but it doesn’t have to be that way. I think the key thing to do is to raise consciousness. To raise consciousness, people need to be aware of who they are, of where they came from, of their history.

 

And it’s very much like back in the early days of the Civil Rights Movement in America, when black agitators, blacks who wanted their people to have civil rights, normal citizen rights, talked about raising consciousness, talking about history. It’s okay to be black. We have our own history. We have our own interests. Don’t be put down by this hegemonic White structure.

 

Now, that’s going back 1910, 1920, when you had Jim Crow.

 

So there was, in fact, there was oppression of black America and the Civil Rights Movement reversed that.

 

So I think we should never give up the fight for freedom.

 

Damien Richardson: That Civil Rights Movement’s now been weaponized as against White majority populations, though, hasn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: It has, it has! But America being what it is, which is a rule of law country and a democracy, tremendous strides were made by black Americans overcoming Jim Crow. Many of them did it by simply migrating out of the south, and they moved to the big cities and the big industrial cities in the north. And amazing pioneers such as Henry Ford would employ anyone at the same wage, anyone! That’s why they flocked, for example, to Detroit and so on, New York and other places. And they used whatever strategy they could and they made great strides.

 

And so you had a black middle class developing, and you had their own newspapers. Very important black newspapers developed. So they’d receive reliable news about themselves and about their, …

 

Damien Richardson: From an ethnic perspective.

 

Frank Salter: From an ethnic perspective. And in that, …

 

Damien Richardson: It comes back to a race all the time, doesn’t it? We’re not allowed to talk about race, but it comes back to race all the time.

 

Frank Salter: Well, it’s not just race. It can be culture, it can be especially important, …

 

Damien Richardson: Well, that’s part of it, …

 

Frank Salter: But no, race is, … Religion’s not part of race. These are different ways to form communities. Ethnicity is important, but it’s not unique. It’s not the only, …

 

Damien Richardson: But I grew up in an Irish Catholic tradition and I was struck when I went to Spain how it was still Catholic, but it was very different culturally. It was very different culturally because of the mores of that community, which I would say did come down to how they interpreted it through race, through that Christian tradition.

 

Frank Salter: Did you just say that they interpreted it through Christian tradition?

 

Damien Richardson: They interpreted the same, ostensibly the same Christian tradition. Catholic, Christian. But I grew up in an Irish Catholic understanding interpretation of it, which was very different than the Spanish interpretation of it was.

 

Frank Salter: How did race come into that?

 

Damien Richardson: Well, I just say it would be their cultural, their racial understanding of who they are, how they express themselves. There is a bio-spirit to a Spanish community which is different than the bio-spirit of an Irish community.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, yeah. Well, Irish in Australia formed its attitudes as a diaspora. In Spain they’re in their ancient homeland.

 

So that’s one difference. And also., …

 

Damien Richardson: Sure, but I’m sure if you went to Ireland, you would see there’ll be a huge difference between Irish Catholicism and Spanish Catholicism, even in their homeland.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, it could be.

 

And I think one pointed aspect, let’s bring this religious aspect back to the topic, connect it even more closely. The pastoral duty of the Church is up for grabs. It’s been changing and I think being undermined for the last 70 years. The Catholic Church once respected and promoted the ethnic interests of its people.

 

So the Catholic Church has always cared for the individual. It’s cared for the family, very much. Right. It’s cared for the local, for the clan, the extended family, and it cared for the local community.

 

So, for example, if a city was being besieged by barbarians or by the neighboring nation, the city was being besieged. And behind its medieval wall, … You go, in Europe, they all had these medieval walls. The church was not saying:

 

“Open the Gates! It’s the brotherhood of mankind! Open up! We’re all the same. Everyone’s the same!”

 

Damien Richardson: But we’ve evolved now! We’ve evolved, Frank. We’ve evolved to a new point, a new man, a new understanding!

 

Frank Salter: What they said was:

 

“God is on your side and it’s right for you to defend your city against the barbarians or against the next city state. It’s right!”

 

And there was excesses in that direction, of course, but they were basically loyal.

 

And you can see that within the framework of the pastoral duty of the Church, which serves different layers of interests from individual to family to nation to ethnic group. That’s all gone now! There’s no pastoral duty by the mainstream church, by many minorities, but not the mainstream churches, especially my own, the Church of England, Anglicans. There’s no sense of pastoral duty to the nation.

 

Instead, they’ve adopted a minority centric perspective of critiquing! They’ve taken on board this critique of majority cultures, which is insane! It’s madness!

 

Damien Richardson: It’s part of the institutionalization of the West, isn’t it really? The same structures that controlling organized religion, as any other department we’ve already covered.

 

Frank Salter: And all these Bishops go through the same university system, by the way, they’re subject to the same indoctrination.

 

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Damien Richardson: I just want to, because we could be here for another hour. It’s such an engrossing conversation. Clash of civilization. There’s so much going on.

 

But before we do, because I know soon we’ve got the vote in Australia for recognising an indigenous voice to Parliament and I know you’ve written an article on behalf of the British-Australian Community, which is your website as well, the BAC, I might add. What’s the name of the it’s actually a book you’ve written. What’s the name of the book?

 

Frank Salter: The book is The Voice to Parliament: A Statement on Behalf of the British-Australian Community by Frank Salter.

 

Damien Richardson: So, Frank, that’s a very countercultural thing to say, that a voice to Parliament should have a statement on behalf of the British-Australian community.

 

Can you just talk us through that? And what you see resulting in at the referendum on the 14th of this month.

 

Frank Salter: The one extraordinary thing about this whole Voice process, developing the referendum questions and all the rest of it, if you go back and look at the different deliberative bodies, the different consultative bodies, and so on, that were formed beginning in 2011, I think. 2011, 12.

 

Damien Richardson: Under Julie Gillard [Labor Party PM 2010 to 2013]. [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: Under Julie Gillard. They have, of course, representatives of the indigenous people, Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders.

 

Of course they have people who are loyal members of those communities. Not only loyal members, but leaders of those local communities coming and saying:

 

“What’s in our interest? My people want this, we want this. These are our interests.”

 

Completely appropriate.

 

They had a lot of White supporters of those. Of those, also understandable.

 

They didn’t have one representative of the Anglo majority, not one! They had lots of Anglos, but they didn’t have one person who was there saying:

 

“I feel sympathy for the indigenous people, of course, I wouldn’t be here otherwise. But I represent the interests of Anglo Australia.”

 

Not one! And I’ve traced it back to 2011, 12. It’s extraordinary!

 

And so this whole thing has been formulated as if Anglo Australia is not in crisis! As if Anglo Australia is just still the boss and it’s a White run society. No, no! Since 1970, roughly, as we’ve been, as we were discussing earlier, immigration policy and multicultural policy has been run against the White majority! We’ve been marginalized! We’ve been vilified in the education! Our children are being vilified, are being taught to hate their own history, to hate their own ancestors. And now we’re being asked:

 

“Oh, you should vote for a special powers being given to an advisory body in the Constitution.”

 

Extraordinary! As if we don’t exist, as if we have no interests.

 

So I wrote this book, it’s a short book, looking at this systematically, looking at the whole Voice proposal from an Anglo perspective.

 

In other words, yes, I’m concerned about what’s good for Indigenous Australians, my fellow citizens, of course, but also keeping in the back of my mind, and is it good for the Anglos? And no one talks about that!

 

Damien Richardson: No reviews on that book either, I can imagine. [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: The closest to it is Jacinta Price, who calls herself a Celtic indigenous person. A Celtic Aboriginal person, she proudly says:

 

“Well, my father has Celtic background.”

 

In other words, Anglo:

 

“And my mother is indigenous.”

 

So she comes closest to that. I think Warren Mundine also has talked about this.

 

Damien Richardson: It’s interesting, something I know. I read a chapter from the book and you talked about the dispossession of Anglo institutions. It’s really just such a counter cultural concept that Anglos might even feel like they are being dispossessed. Because what we hear all the time, of course, is that indigenous Australians were dispossessed.

 

Frank Salter: Yes, well, they were dispossessed. But then, luckily for them, though, they were integrated into a culture that was leading the world in forming liberal democracy.

 

So, you know, that Aboriginal, in most of Australia, Aboriginal men, because initially it was male male suffrage, they got the vote before Englishmen got it in England! Well, before! Like mid 19, mid 19th century that you had in New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania. Not Queensland, Queensland and Western Australia, as the frontier states were delayed, that was delayed.

 

But in most of Australia they got the vote before British men and women got it in Britain.

 

So it was good for them. But the dispossession that’s been taking place as a result of the Cultural Revolution of the sixties and seventies. I have a chapter called Our Stolen Commonwealth. Our stolen Commonwealth. And what do I mean by that?

 

Well, just what I’ve been saying, the Anglo nation. First the six Anglo colonies, and then they gave rise to the Commonwealth in 1901. They were set up explicitly to benefit the majority. These are Democratic societies, and they were overwhelmingly Anglo societies, so naturally they wanted to survive and continue their traditions and their identity.

 

The Commonwealth was set up explicitly to serve the interests of the nation, which was an Anglo nation. That was reversed by 1970! That was reversed! In effect the Commonwealth has been stolen from us, in effect, and it’s now operating against our interests.

 

And I define the Commonwealth not just as government institutions, but as the ABC, for example, SBS, public broadcasting. Since the late 1960s, …

 

Damien Richardson: All the institutions, I would say, Frank

 

Frank Salter: All major institutions, have joined this Deep State apparatus, and, in effect, they’re operating against the interests of the majority.

 

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Damien Richardson: It’s interesting, and we’ve been going for a while, so I’ll try to wrap it up. But I saw a speech the other day by Noel Pearson at the Press Club, where he made this claim. And he spoke to “multicultural” Australia, meaning not “settler” Australia, and he called, quite deliberately, “settler Australia”, being those mob, he would say, from the UK. And he said to multicultural Australia:

 

“I want to ask you this question. Who do you side with in this debate, as far as The Voice is concerned, do you consider yourself going to be an honorary settler somehow? Because, I tell you, a lot of you are the wrong color.”

 

I couldn’t believe what I was hearing! He didn’t sort of get much opprobrium in the mainstream, because the mainstream would never want to be seen to criticize someone indigenous. And of that state stature. A man, too, has made himself a millionaire out of the largesse of taxpayers expense. It was an extraordinary claim to make. And really, if you start to boil it down, since he’s asked the question, I would say:

 

“Well, actually, those people of different color that have come to this nation have come this nation expressly to live by what was bequeathed to them by that settler culture, not to come and live as hunters and gatherers might have lived in this idealized picture of Indigenous Australia!”

 

Frank Salter: Yeah

 

Damien Richardson: I think Noel himself seems very comfortable living like a settler, too, I might add!

 

Frank Salter: And receiving $500 million investment over the last 15 years.

 

Damien Richardson: Is he relying on the fact that he knows no one will have the gumption to make that claim? He’s relying on. We have been silenced through the multicultural instrumentalities that we’ve already talked about?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, he’s arisen, his career, his reputation is arisen, sheltered in sort of the sheltered workshop of the multicultural system. So he’s a creature, in my view, a creature of the multicultural establishment.

 

But Warren Mundine is not. Jacinta Price are not. They’re actually free thinking. They have their, … I don’t agree with everything they say, but these are independent individuals far more able to sustain a rational conversation and so on.

 

Pearson talks ideology. And he begins preaching immediately and he can barely talk! And how did someone like that gain such a high reputation? Was because the Sydney Morning Herald, the Melbourne Age, the ABC, SBS [Special Broadcating Service] treat him as some sort of paragon. It’s absurd!

 

The man has made vulgar, racist remarks about White people, really vulgar. The man has said:

 

“I don’t think Anzac Day is appropriate because we should focus on my people’s suffering, not on the suffering of Anzacs.”

 

Damien Richardson: Well, a lot of these people would have been Anzacs too, as a matter of fact.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly, exactly! Aborigines have been participating more and more in the nation. I see them as a core group in the Australian national identity. But Pearson has been given this platform. He writes a note, he has these extraordinary media platforms to express his point of view, but he’s actually, when you listen to what he’s saying, it’s not pleasant.

 

Damien Richardson: You see now, too, that the conservative Right salivating over the idea of Jacinta Price someday being the first indigenous female prime minister. Janet Olbrixen wrote an opinion piece in the Australian recently saying such.

 

Frank Salter: Well, after watching her perform over the last month or two, I tend to agree. I think she’s actually prime minister material. There’s not all that much talent on the coalition side. And she just comes across as authentic, as able to think on her feet.

 

For example, her speech, become famous speech now to the Canberra Press Gallery about a week or two ago. And she said, her opening remarks she said:

 

“My husband’s sitting over there. And I do mean husband, not partner!”

 

Damien Richardson: Yes, yes.

 

Frank Salter: Immediately there was a cheer went up across Australia. We’re sick of this ideological language that’s being forced on you! She meant her husband, not her partner!

 

Damien Richardson: She went further too, and she talked about the oppression. She said:

 

“I’ve got it really badly if you’re saying I’m oppressed because I’m indigenous.”

 

And she said:

 

“Well, at least I wasn’t bequeathed to a man much older than me that I might have been under tribal law at the age of 14 or something.”

 

And she went on to say, too:

 

“And I’ve been doubly oppressed because my convict ancestors were also oppressed to come here in the first place!”

 

You could hear crickets in the media establishment.

 

Frank Salter: So funny. They’re just, … Like the ABC has become., … It’s so appalling! The main change with them is not ideological, because the news and current affairs was captured by the Marxist left in the late sixties, and the Science Show was captured by the Marxist left around the same time. What has changed is their subtlety. They used to sort of cover it a bit and make gestures to being balanced. That’s all gone. It’s amazing! It’s blatant. It’s blatant now.

 

And the same with our education system, with the curriculum. The national curriculum was captured by the neo-Marxist Left decades ago and that’s trickled down to the state curricula now. So it’s really, really poor.

 

Damien Richardson: And there’s been no defence against it from neo-liberalism on the other side, has there been? Because that’s just been about the bottom line, the bottom dollar, sell as much as you can. We’ve sold our soul to material wealth in many respects.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah. And they’re friendlier towards Right-wing globalism, which is corporate based.

 

So that’s their weakness.

 

Also, they receive all their funding from these people, so they’re not going to criticize them very much.

 

So again, on the Right you have Right globalism, on the left you have Left globalism. And the two sort of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, sort of they get along, they sort of get along.

 

But I urge Australians to look at the whole indigenous issue, including The Voice referendum, which comes up in nine days or something, and look at it from different perspectives. But look at it also from an Anglo perspective, from the perspective of mainstream Australia. And what we don’t want, for example, is to destroy and complicate our system of government, which is magnificent. It’s one of the things that sets Australia apart. We have the rule of law, we have representative democracy, we have division of powers and so on. And this would be compromised.

 

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Damien Richardson: That’s just another irony of Pearson’s speech, isn’t it, that:

 

“Well, I want an indigenous voice to Parliament, but I don’t want anything that the settlers, ..!”

 

What? The incongruity is just extraordinary!

 

Frank Salter: I don’t look on myself as a settler. You know, I had a convict ancestor in Van Diemen’s Land. So for many generations, my family’s been here, I don’t think of myself, …

 

Damien Richardson: But even if we take his language on face value, what he means is “what came here?” Well, that was the Parliament. The Parliament that now “I want a specific voice to” is not of indigenous origin, although you would say it is because we’re indigenous!

 

Oh, this argument could go on and on and on! We’ve had such a good chat, too, Frank. I’m just aware of time, and I want people to stay to the end of this podcast.

 

So I think, do you want to just tell us where people can find you so they can find out more of this detail? We may well have you back to continue this conversation, perhaps post the referendum.

 

Frank Salter: That’d be fun. People can just Google, just a general search for British-Australian Community. And we have a website, which is the BritishAustralianCommunity.com dot au.

 

And then they can search for, … You go to Quadrant online. Go to Quadrant Online. There’s a Quadrant website and just do a search for “Salter”, and up will come all my articles, because I have a series of articles on the original, ten years ago, on the original attempt by Pearson to have a constitutional recognition. That was his big thing back then. So there’s critique of that.

 

So you’ll find resources.

 

One thing you’ll find is that this book as a PDF. It’s a free download so you can get access to the book.

 

I’d also go to YouTube. We have three videos out on YouTube. Search for British-Australian Community and it will come up. We have two on Anglophobia and we have one on The Voice. And there’ll be many more coming up, by the way, many more in the next months.

 

Damien Richardson: It’s good that you’re getting culture out there because I think this process was so far behind the eight ball as in understanding what’s happening to the culture, the attack that’s on it, the manifold attacks that are on it, that you almost need to reinvigorate what the understanding of the culture was in the first place.

 

So Frank Salter, co-author of Anglophobia: The Unrecognized Hatred, thanks so much for joining me at Damienrichardson dot online.

 

Frank Salter: It’s been a pleasure, Damien.

 

Damien Richardson: You can listen to more great podcasts on my website, damianrichardson dot online. Also follow me on Facebook and I’d love to hear your thoughts@facebook.com. Damienrichardson28 don’t forget to give this video a like. Remember to share and comment, to join the conversation and have your say.

 

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Andrew Hitchcock: To learn who rules over you. Simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise. You are listening to ACH and I’m your host on today’s show.

 

I’m delighted to welcome that my dear friend who’s been with me since the very start, Mike Walsh.

 

So let’s bring him up right now. Mike, are you with us?

 

Mike Walsh: Yes. We’ve been together for a very long time, haven’t we? And I hope that we will be together for a very long time in the future, because it’s very rewarding talking with my friends around the world and hearing from them, which you do.

 

So thank you for all the messages of support since we last talked. It really is appreciated and very much helpful.

 

So I just want you to know that from this side of the world, you are very much appreciated. The whole family. Thank you, Andrew, for having me on your show again.

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Well, thank you so much, Mike.

 

And should we start off with, we’re recording this on Tuesday, May the 9th. And we’re going to be putting this up in about 15 hours, early on Wednesday, May the 10th. But, of course, today is this day that Russia celebrates every year, some military victory day. Mike will know more about it than me.

 

And, of course, we’ve had an increase in the violence in the Ukraine. So what is your current analysis of what’s going on between Russia and Ukraine and the West, Mike?

 

Mike Walsh: Yeah, I don’t consider it a war, Ukraine against Russia or Russia against Ukraine. They’re being used as a battering ram, Ukraine. And the war would have ended at least a year ago had it not been for the arms and the money pouring in from the Western alliance.

 

So it’s a proxy war. And it’s a war that they’re losing, but they will just not admit that they’re losing. I’m not talking about Ukraine. It’s going to be an absolute disaster! And this is why the Western Alliance is working so hard to keep the war going, because they don’t want to lose face, as they did with Afghanistan. And there’s no question about it, the war is being won in Russia’s favour only today.

 

[03:38]

 

And remember that Ukraine, in terms of population, is a very small country. It’s got about 20, 25 million, most of whom are female or the very old or the very young. They don’t have many men of fighting age. And yet today they’ve lost 460 fighting men in the war. The attrition rate is eight to one. So for every eight Ukrainians who die in this conflict, this NATO conflict, there’s only one Russian dying. And they are a much bigger population, a well organised army. They’re a world nuclear power. They can afford it. Ukraine can’t.

 

So far, the figures are staggering! Ukraine has lost, so far, an estimated 350,000 fighting men. Now out of a very small population, less than half of that of Spain, that is cataclysmic! When you bear in mind that they’ve never forgotten the Vietnam War, which lasted for 20 years.

 

And of course, the important thing to remember about that debacle is that 55,000 American servicemen lost their lives in the unfortunate hapless Vietnam War. Nearly seven times that number of casualties have occurred in this NATO conflict against Russia, which is only 14 months old now. That is the scale of this catastrophe! Ukraine will never recover from it.

 

But NATO, the Western alliance, Andrew, will never recover from it at all. Because even as I speak, even though the Russians, there is no triumphalism, not on this particular conflict anyway.

 

Another story. But the Russians don’t accept yesterday that they won. But everybody knows, even the Western pundits are bracing for a defeat for Ukraine.

 

Now, if Ukraine is defeated, and it is already defeated, it’s not just the defeat of Ukraine, because Ukraine really doesn’t matter anymore. Ukraine is half the size, or it will be half the size that it was in February 2022. They’ve already lost, 20% of their territory, which in terms of mineral resources is the richest, richer than the other 80%, to Russia.

 

There is absolutely no way that Donbas or Crimea is ever going to be under the Ukrainian or the NATO flag. That is not going to happen.

 

Kiev has already ceded western Ukraine to Poles. Because in 1945, when Europe was carved up by the military victors, a great slice of Poland was given to Ukraine in compensation. They were given a large swathe of territory, former German territory. So everything shifted to the West. Now, Poland being Poland, wants their territory back. They’re not going to give the territory that they took from Germany back to Germany, but they want the territory that was taken from Poland and given to Ukraine in 1945 under Stalin. They want that back, and they’ve already got it back. They’ve got de facto, they’re changing the laws.

 

So everybody living in western Ukraine, which again is about 20% of that country, is now under Polish influence.

 

[07:38]

 

Now, when this happens, and it is happening, Hungary, which again lost a lot of territory, Hungarian territory, to Ukraine in the aftermath of World War II, as did Romania, they want their populations back. Because again. In western Ukraine there are many people who are ethnic Hungarian, who see themselves as Hungarian. They speak only the Hungarian language. They go to Hungarian schools and Hungarian churches. They follow the Hungarian culture. Absolutely the same with Romania.

 

So the whole shift is occurring as we’re talking. And what will the outcome be for the Western alliance? A fiasco! A debacle far greater than was Afghanistan! If you think Afghanistan, which they scarpered from in a couple of days, was a fiasco for the United States and NATO, it’s going to be dwarfed by the collapse of the Ukrainian front.

 

All of the NATO Arsenals, and we’re talking about, I think it’s 20 countries or 30 countries, they have been emptied. Even Britain can’t even defend itself now.

 

I read that Poland has enough in their military Arsenals to last in a fire-fight for about two days.

 

So the Western alliance has completely collapsed! It couldn’t fight anything now.

 

So that’s completely gone.

 

Biden is hanging on by his teeth. If the war is lost, then the next election is going to be won by Trump. And the European Union, which stupidly followed the Washington line is going to be isolated as the United States collapses, and there’s going to be a Russia – that’s already happening with Hungary and other countries – they are already preparing to make friends with Russia, simply because they won’t have any choice.

 

The omnipotence of the United States, like the British Empire and like the Soviet Union, is evaporating.

 

And that means the two strongest powers, the true omnipotent powers of the world today, will be Russia and China. And Europe, the European Union. If the entire of Europe, from the Urals to the Atlantic Ocean, was a foot, the European Union would actually only be the size of one’s big toe!

 

So it’s insignificant, in world affairs, and it’s increasingly insignificant. The world is de-dollarizing, the West is gone.

 

So this is the outcome of this debacle, this latest NATO debacle.

 

Scott Ritter, the former Weapons Inspector for the United Nations, said:

 

“NATO is Europe’s suicide pill!”

 

And it absolutely is! All it’s good for is creating refugee crises, making the arms or weapons industry very rich, but impoverishing people and killing hundreds of thousands of people! I think there’s been more than 40 conflicts since 1945.

 

Today, the Soviet Union is celebrating what they call Victory Day. I don’t know whose victory it was, but we don’t live in a real world anymore. And I am a victim of those who don’t like the “truth”. Inconvenient history! That’s all I’ve ever written about, is inconvenient history.

 

[11:43]

 

And Russia will today forget. I’ve got nothing against Russia. I’ve always said that the war was against Bolshevism. Soviet Union, Bolshevism. There was no problems at all from Germany or anyone else about the Russian, or the Russian people or the Russian culture. If The Times would be turned back and Putin was in power instead of Stalin in 1942, there wouldn’t have been a Second World War. The Germans and the Russians would have gone on, fine.

 

What they also forget, and this will be an inconvenient history today is over a million in the Vlasav [sp] regiments. In the Vlasav regiments of World War II, over a million of Russians fought on the side of Hitler’s Germany against Bolshevik Russia. Vlasav himself was a former Red Army, a much Heralded Red Army general who saved Vladivistok, … Not Vladivistok, Moscow, rather. He saved Moscow. But he led the Resistance. So that in that respect, World War II for the Russians was a civil war.

 

And they also tend to forget that it wasn’t the Russians who won the war. They wouldn’t have done it unless they were in total collaboration and gaining the support of the West, which they deny.

 

So there wasn’t a Red Army soldier whose tunic was not made in the West. All of the buttons that held the tunics together were made in the United States. All the ships, all the tanks, everything on wheels was made in the United States. All of the railway rolling stock was made in the United States. They couldn’t have done it!

 

So the victory was a victory for three world empires who collaborating together, which was the greatest insanity ever, destroyed a country that was half the size of Texas! If they can call that “victory” and hold victory parades, then I find that they can probably make Father Christmas appear to be truth!

 

But this is the world we live in. We live in a world of total fantasy! We’re fighting to struggle, we’re fighting to avoid totalitarianism, and we tend to forget that we are already living in a totalitarian society.

 

The war is over. Ukraine is totally defeated. They’ve got no chance whatsoever of mounting a counter offensive. The Russians take the policy of:

 

“He who hits first, hits twice.”

 

I think they’ve hit them so many times, the Ukrainians, and, of course, NATO, that the war is decidedly over in Russia’s favour.

 

And when we emerge from it, when the muck flops, it’s going to be a totally different world from that that preceded February 2022.

 

There is no war, not even a 100 years war, that has ever created such a disaster for the West as this war! This NATO war, to ruin Russia. Russia has had 12, 600 sanctions imposed on it. It’s emerged stronger! It’s got a higher GDP than the West, [?] it’s got lower interest rates on absolutely everything. They’ve emerged from. It very successful while we are digging our own graves. There you are. Thank you for the opportunity for bringing you up to date, Andrew.

 

[15:38]

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Well, thank you so much, Mike, for that detailed analysis there. Very, very interesting.

 

And what I’m going to ask Mike about, many of you will know that Mike led the British movement. A political party, for many years, and took over from Colin Jordan, who took over from Arnold Lease. So certainly Arnold Lease is someone that I’ve read a lot about. I’m not so keen on Colin Jordan. I think I can speak for Mike as well there [chuckling].

 

But the reason I mention this is that there’s a guy who’s called Charlie, calls himself Charlie Big Potatoes. Interesting name, but his real name is Kristofer Kearney. And I’ve been following this case because, well, let me read to you from the Liverpool Echo newspaper online. This is from the 8 May:

 

“Charlie Big Potatoes claimed Hitler did nothing wrong. Court told Kristofer Thomas Kearney used the name Charlie Big Potatoes on Telegram when he shared the manifesto of Norway killer Anders Breivik, but said he did not know it was among the library of literature he posted as he just gave it a quick scan. A judge will determine whether posts shared by Kearny were reckless or if the evidence is consistent with an intent to encourage terrorism.

The self described British fascist is part of the Right-wing group known as Patriotic Alternative. He added the main aim of the organisation was not to become minorities in our own home. The Old Bailey heard. The 38 year old, who is originally from Liverpool, told Telegram users ‘Adolf Hitler showed people the way’ and ‘did nothing wrong’.

The defendant, a former soldier in the Parachute Regiment, regularly featured on Right-wing podcasts. He also set up his own channel called Fascist Fitness to hand out exercise and fitness tips.

An image of Kearny with a National Action flag was shown in court, which the defendant said was taken at an anti-grooming gang rally in Darlington. He is said to have been an active member of the neo-Nazi group until a week before it was banned for glorifying the murder of MP Joe Cox.

Kearny was extradited from Spain to face charges last September and pleaded guilty to two offences of disseminating terrorist publications.

He is believed to be the first member of Patriotic Alternative to be convicted of terrorist offences. On Friday, May the fifth. Last Friday, Ged O’Connor, defending, set out how Kearney was unaware he was posting Breivik’s manifesto. Prosecutor Naomi Parsons told the court Kearny’s Telegram channel contained themes of ‘White genocide’, anti-semitism and the glorification of Nazi Germany. Ms. Parsons said:

‘These themes are depicted by violence. There are numerous videos that suggest violence is looming. Violence is inevitable. The evidence is consistent with intent rather than recklessness. It is evident from the defendant himself, the images and words he has said, which suggest he is of the mind that violence is inevitable and that others should commit acts of violence.’

But Kearny told the court he viewed violence as ‘counter-productive’ and when questioned if he believes in violence, responded, ‘No other than in self defense, no.’

The offences relate to two Telegram posts on January 23 and March the 8th, 2021, which disseminated dozens of documents encouraging extreme Right-wing terror attacks, including the manifestos of Christchurch mosque killer Brenton Tarrant and Breivik, who murdered 77 people in Norway. Two other far-Right extreme extremist manifestos related to Texas Walmart, mass killer Patrick Crusius and John Earnest, who shot people at the California synagogue in 2019.

In 2021 he posted a numbered list and links to 89 extreme Right-wing documents. It is believed he was head of Fitness at Patriotic Alternative and regularly shared posts from its accounts such as White Lives Matter banners.

The issue of Kearney’s motivation will be decided on Tuesday before he is sentenced.”

 

[19:58]

 

Now, I found out that the court case was starting at 10:30 a.m., Tuesday, May the 9th. And I thought that he was just going in there to be sentenced because he’d gone guilty. But what he’s actually said I’ve been frantically trying to find things because I thought that I’d be able to present what was put in the media, present his sentence, get Mike’s response.

 

But the best I’ve come up with is this is 3 hours ago as we’re recording this off Twitter. So this is happening at 11:40 am UK time in his court. There’s five Twitter posts, but I’ll read them all together:

 

“Kristofer Kearney is back in the witness box. He is being cross examined by prosecutor Naomi Parsons at a New Tupton hearing after pleading guilty to sharing terrorist documents on his Telegram channel. She is going through some of the documents he linked to. Among them were the manifestos of Anders Breivik, Brenton Tarrant, Dylan Roof and Patrick Crusius, all of whom committed massacres against Left-wingers, Muslims, black people, and Latinos, in that order. And the novel, turner diaries. The Turner Diaries is a novel, which says Ms Parsons, depicts a revolution against the Jewish controlled government which leads to the creation of a new White order after an apocalyptic war.

She says Professor Paul Jackson says it and the manifestos gave moral justification for extremist Right-wing terrorists. Judge Marks asked Kearney if he was horrified at Professor Jackson’s opinion that he was encouraging political violence. He says, ‘He is.’

The court are being shown videos he posted on his Telegram channel. They include one which appeared to be produced by Russian far-Right and included the term ‘White Jihad’, and another which was violently anti-semitic.”

 

So this is pretty much all the up to date information that I can get so far. I’ve also got a statement from Patriotic Alternative on Kristofer Kearney, known as Charlie Big Potatoes. But before I read what they say, their statement on him. Any comments? Mike, over to you.

 

[022:12]

 

Mike Walsh: Well, there seem to be in the British Right-wing at least is a political in-sophistication. We have strong Right-wing movements throughout Europe and they wouldn’t be so foolish to be publishing things like that, certainly without making it absolutely clear that they did not support it. So it’s whether there was an “intent to” and with the likes of Brevik’s manifesto, who was a Left-winger anyway, and gave a clinched fist salute, which, ridiculously, the press said was a Nazi salute. I never ever saw a National Socialist in my life giving a clinched fist salute. But there you are, that’s the press. They turn the truth on its head.

 

But as far as I’m aware, Brevik’s manifesto has been published in the mainstream media! And much of the information that you’ve otherwise mentioned has likewise been covered. So it’s whether it is done with any “intent”. Now, this is where he has to wriggle out, if he’s not diplomatic enough in the first place, to be very careful about what he post. He’s got to make absolutely certain in what he posts that he doesn’t support it. He’s a news reporter.

 

That’s what I do with Europe Renaissance. I’m not supporting violence, I’m not a violent person, and I don’t think that violence achieves anything at all except bloodshed. It never has done. It’s got to be debate, and that’s the way I make it absolutely clear.

 

And this is what he should.

 

But he’s been very unwise in publishing this sort of thing. The days are gone when you could pick up a copy. I used to sell it in the days of the British movement. I was a leader of the British movement for 15 years. Not two or three years like Colin Jordan, but for 15 years.

 

And in those days you could sell the Turner Diaries. It was one of those I did. I used to sell the United States, Army Survival Manuals, and how to make explosives and all the rest of it. You can’t do that anymore!

 

These people need to drag themselves into the 20th century. There has been a quiet revolution which has turned against anybody of conservative thinking. All of my books have been banned, and yet they’re absolutely tame compared with some of the books that he has been perhaps or seem to be promoting! And they’ve certainly got to be a little bit more sensible in what they do, or stay out of comment altogether. We don’t have a free press! We don’t live in a free country!

 

As I said earlier, Andrew, we are living, and we’ve got to accept the fact that we are living in a totalitarian society and we are very limited to what we can do. And we have to be particularly careful about the way we handle world affairs. I do. Everybody else does.

 

But this again explains why Britain, alone in Europe, is showing the smallest Right-wing unity of any of them. Even Sweden has got a far stronger Right-wing than has Britain. The National Front is gone. The British National Party is gone. The National Party is gone. There is nothing!

 

[25:37]

 

As soon as anything reaches any level in which they can potentially achieve anything, a division occurs. It is so predictable. It’s like December the 25th! You know it’s going to be Christmas Day. And, you know, that as soon as a political party, a political movement in Britain, as soon as they get to any strength at all, where they could start vying for some kind of influence anyway, it divides and splits.

 

But you got your Brothers of Italy*. In Italy, it’s powerful! It’s in government!

 

[* Brothers of Italy (Italian: Fratelli d’Italia, FdI) is a national-conservative and Right-wing populist political party in Italy, the country’s largest after the 2022 Italian general election. The party is led by Giorgia Meloni, the incumbent Prime Minister of Italy.]

 

You got Marie Le Pen in France. That if they would hold an election, everybody regrets having voted for Macron. If there was an election tomorrow, then Marie Le Pen, the former National Front leader, would walk it!

 

It’s the same in Spain. Vox is now the most powerful kingmaker in the Spanish government in Madrid. But right the way through. You’ve got the AFP in Germany, you’ve got the Swedish, you got the Danish. Every single one of them is far more sophisticated, politically sophisticated, and aware than Britain. Britain, really, in terms of political activity, is really in the “pram stage”. It’s a Toddler. And I just about give up on it, simply because those who could have done anything with it, like myself, like John Tyndal, like Martin Webster, perhaps, and certainly like the others that preceded us, Oswald Mosley, what a great man he was! Have we ever been in a world in which there was a greater need for Oswald Mosley? There aren’t anymore. But it will take some kind of a social revolution anyway to change things.

 

And as I said before, Andrew, we’re going through a collapse. I’ve just done a story today in Europe Renaissance, the European Union is collapsing. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted the collapse of the United States. I predicted the de-dollarisation of the dollar, the United States dollar. I predicted a shift to Russia, as did [word unclear] incidentally. So everything is happening just as I predicted.

 

So what you’re going to have in Europe, is you’re going to have a complete collapse of the European Union and one country after another, they’re already starting, they’re starting to shift their alliance from across the Atlantic. America will become self sufficient. It will withdraw all of its bases and all the rest of it. It doesn’t have any choice. It’s being kicked out of the Middle East. It’s being kicked out of the Persian Gulf. It’s being kicked out of Africa, it’s being kicked out of Indonesia. Everywhere else.

 

What we’re saying now is another collapsing empire, which on this day, in which the Russians call it Victory Day, good luck to that one. It just kept coming as I’m going for another 45 years. And the Gulag and everything else we were supposed to afford, it would just put them in charge. But there you are. I hope I didn’t wander off topic there.

 

[28:57]

 

But people have to be more circumspect when they’re publishing things, when they are living, as we are, in a totalitarian state. Britain is in a totalitarian state. It’s only three or four days ago when Republicans who wanted to simply put up placards and hand out leaflets calling for a referendum on the leadership, that kind of sovereignty of Britain, King Charles III, that’s all we were protesting. There was no violence or absolutely anything at all. They’ve all been released without charge, but they were all rounded up. If that doesn’t tell you whatever your views are on the Royal family, if that doesn’t tell you that you’re living in a totalitarian state, then I’m afraid you missed the boat altogether. Thank you, Andrew.

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you, Mike. And I have actually got a conclusion to this Christopher Kearney case, though not the one that I guess most people the sort of final conclusion, if you like. But again from Twitter, where is it? Here. This is from 2 hours ago:

 

“Judge Mark says he will need to have a report from the probation service before he delivers sentence. He says sentencing of Kristofer Kearney will have to be put off for a month or so.”

 

Okay. So there is not going to be any verdict today, which is what I expected. So no doubt he has been returned to prison because when he was extradited to hear from Spain, I believe he was put in Chemlsford Prison [in Essex]. And initially he was going by video link to the court to submit his pleas. But it looks like what we were reporting today, that he actually was in the witness box today being spoken to by the prosecuting barrister.

 

But I want to go over to, … They mentioned in this other post, The Turner Diaries. Now I remember the Turner diaries were being carried on Amazon for many years.

 

In fact, I just checked to see if it was. I checked both the American site and the UK site and it isn’t. But there is something that is being carried on there. You can, however, go to Ebay. And I’ve typed in the Turner Diaries. Yeah. And several results have come up. People are selling it, so it’s very easy to get along with the book Hunter, which was by the same author.

 

And of course, Andrew McDonald was actually a pseudonym of National Alliances William Pierce.

 

[31:39]

 

But let’s go over to Amazon now. One thing that I thought was banned, and I’m sure I’d read about this being listed when people are being tried for whatever they want to call it, hate or terrorism or what have you. One publication that they don’t like is The Anarchist Cookbook. But on Amazon Co UK, you can buy the paperback for 21 pound, 36 Pence. Or you can buy a Kindle edition. It’s had its little Kindle work done. And it’s the original version by all looks of it. I’ll give you the description here:

 

“The Anarchist Cookbook will shock it, will disturb it, will provoke. It places in historical perspective an era when turn on, burn down, blow up are revolutionary slogans of the day. Says the author.

This book is not written for the members of fringe political groups such as the Weathermen or the Minutemen. Those radical groups don’t need this book. They already know everything that’s in here. If the real people of America, the silent majority, are going to survive, they must educate themselves. That is the purpose of this book. In what the author considers a survival guide. There is explicit information on the uses and effects of drugs, ranging from pot to heroin to peanuts. There is detailed advice concerning electronics, sabotage and surveillance, with data on everything from bugs to scramblers. There is a comprehensive chapter on natural, nonlethal and lethal weapons, running the gamut from cattle prods to submachine guns to bows and arrows. The section on explosives and booby traps ranges from TNT to whistle traps. 111 drawings supplement the recipes.

This book is for anarchists, says William Powell. Those who feel able to discipline themselves on all the subjects, from drugs to weapons to explosives that are currently illegal in this country. Techniques, disciplines, precautions and warnings pervade. That what may be the most disquieting how to book of contemporary times available on Amazon.”

 

And I’m just going to look at one review here that I noticed. It says:

 

“With power comes responsibility. First published in the turbulent sixties, this book has attained a sort of cult status for that time. It reflects many of the mores and problems of that generation of young people and is worth it for a read for that, if for no other reason.”

 

But get this:

 

“So far as bomb making and all of that, the book is technically good. But the methodology involving use of nitrogen compounds, particularly red fuming nitric acid and cotton to make gun cotton is fundamentally unsound and unsafe. You could blow a hand off, or worse, very easily following Powell’s directions.”

 

So here’s a reviewer saying that this book could actually tell you how to blow things up. Just maybe you’d be harming yourself in the process.

 

Mike, as someone who had all his books removed from Amazon, did your books give any ideas to people as to how they could make bombs that Amazon still sells books about like this?

 

[34:50]

 

Mike Walsh: None at all. The one of the hated of the most was Europe Arise, which was purely a defense manual for the White people. And that there was absolutely nothing that anybody could object to, but it was White. But the book that you’re just talking about, The Anarchist Cookbook, that was, of course, always a Left-wing book from the 1960s. And I shouldn’t think that if the police were to do their job and the Crown Prosecution Service, if that is what it’s called, was to do their job, and make some up raids in the Left-wing and the black power movement and all of the radical Left-wing movements, they would be able to jail the lot for the rest of their lives.

 

But of course, they’re not interested. The only one that puts the fear of God of them, the only side that puts up the fear of God of them is the conservative Right. And we see evidence of this all the time and they don’t like those who expose government.

 

Now, how can Britain possibly describe itself as a free society when in the high security Belmarsh prison. His Majesty’s Belmash Prison. You have Julian Assange, a genuine journalist, who has never, ever been prosecuted for anything, that he has ever written! Even the Brazilian Prime Minister this week, Lula, he condemned it. Everybody has condemned it. Mexico has condemned it. The entire world is standing up to the totalitarianism of the West, and Britain is in the forefront of that!

 

So when you’ve got the likes of Assange in jail, yet they’re selling, openly, The Anarchist Cookbook, then there is something radically wrong with society. And it is not the radical Right, it is the radical people who occupy the seats of power.

 

And this is what we’ve got to be up against.

 

Now, what you’ve got to be careful of here is that if you were to purchase this book, if you were read it for any reason at all, and the police confiscated it, they could claim, as the gentleman that you’ve just been talking about, is that you’re using it for ulterior motives. So you’ve got to be careful of what you possess. I always said that if you’re going out for a night out, there are so many attacks on Whites by blacks now that you really need to carry something that protects yourself. Now you’re not allowed to defend yourself in Britain. This is against the law, to defend yourself.

 

So if you take a knife, or well, you wouldn’t take a gun, even though it’s legal for you to carry one. No, it’s got to be. You couldn’t do it. But I always said, take a bunch of keys with you, and put your finger through the ring of the bunch of keys and use it as a knuckle duster. It is absolutely devastating! Far more damage than a knife could cause. But it’s legal. How are they going to prosecute you for carrying a bunch of keys in your house? Everybody walks around with the debit card and the credit card and plastic cards like it in their wallet. It’s nastier than any open razor, in opening a face. I did this for the ladies, primarily because the ladies are being attacked by migrants.

 

[38:19]

 

So I said:

 

“Take your card out, put it between your fingers and use it to open the skin of anybody’s faces who attacks you!”

 

And showed them how to stick your fingers up and attack his nostrils and rip back! Or how to give them a belt in between the eyes because it breaks the bone and goes into the eyes, but only at defense! And I have to make that absolutely clear all the time!

 

The British troops, when we had an empire and they were not allowed to carry guns, they carried a rolled up newspaper, because a rolled up newspaper, when you grasp it in your hand and bring up the rolled up bit onto somebody’s chin or into between their legs, is absolutely devastating!

 

But another trick that I always used to say is take a bottle of lemonade, or any bottle of bottle of beer. There’s no law against carrying a bottle of beer home.

 

But if you are surrounded by four or five thugs then you break the bottle of beer you hold onto it’s neck and you got a dozen vicious knives in your hand! At least you’ve got a chance. But this way it is very, very difficult for the state police. I don’t like calling them police officers anymore, just simply because they swear allegiance to the monarch. A lot of people apparently did that a few days ago. But it doesn’t make them officers, does it?

 

So I don’t like using the term “police officer”. Making an oath of allegiance to his majest, in my book, does not make an officer. I came from a society in which an officer was somebody of great competence who took a ship from Liverpool to Rio Janeiro and could do it competently and take it anywhere else in the world. That was an officer. An officer was somebody in the armed forces in the Royal Navy or in the Air Force, the Royal Air Force, or in the army. And they were well, officers.

 

But to relate, police officers I call them “state agents” as they were in Eastern Europe, as they were in East Germany. They were state operatives. And they’re not policemen! I say a policeman because I came from an earlier generation. I see a policeman as a Bobby who helps children across the road who helps grannies who are struggling with their bags and shows people the way. Not these uniformed pretend soldiers that we have now.

 

The people who wouldn’t go into a British Army uniform in case it brought a threat to them. But they wear a policeman’s uniform. I just don’t accept them as officers at all. But there you are. I think again, I went off topic. It’s typical of me. I hope people can live with me.

 

[41:14]

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you, Mike. But you didn’t really go off topic. It was quite helpful because I’ve got, … This is the only self defense DVD I’ve got. I looked into this a few years ago. I’ve never been very good at, … When I was at police training school they used to do this thing you could do extra PE in an evening and stuff like that. There’d be a guy at the front doing all these movements and you’re copying them and stuff like that.

 

But I’m just all over the place.

 

So there were some people from my class and friends of mine that had come along just to watch how I was trying to keep up because it looked like I had Saint Vitus’ dance* or something. I just couldn’t do the moves that the instructor was doing that everyone else had seemed to do. So I’ve always been all over the place for things like that.

 

[* St. Vitus’s dance. Saint Vitus’s dance is another name for chorea, a disorder marked by involuntary spasms of the limbs and facial muscles.]

 

Consequently, I was trying to do the extra classes for, … It was called UDT, Unarmed Defense techniques. But a few years ago I bought this DVD that’s actually quite entertaining as well. The guy who does it, there are some out-takes at the end which are quite funny as well. I suppose that’s not the real reason for getting it. But it’s called “Self defense, empty hands and with everyday items”. It’s by a guy called Franck Ropers. Now, Franck is spelt F-R-A-N-C-K. Ropers. R-O-P-E-R-S. It’s available from Amazon in the UK. At least for about 15 pounds, new. And on the back it says:

 

“An item that can look harmless can become a formidable weapon. To know how to use the surroundings is a basic asset for self defense.

 

Therefore, it’s important to be able to use the improvised weapons found anywhere around you. Thus, a pen, a key or even a newspaper may, if needed, be improvised as a weapon and save your life. To this day, Franck Ropers remains an undisputed expert in fighting. In this video, he shows you his self defense method based on the Indonesian martial art, the “Pencak silat”*, a devastating discipline.”

 

[*Pencak silat is an umbrella term for a class of related Indonesian martial arts. In neighbouring countries, the term usually refers to professional competitive silat. It is a full-body fighting form incorporating strikes, grappling and throwing in addition to weaponry.]

 

And as I say, I’ve watched it and I think I’ll have another look at it actually, because people who listen regularly know watch quite a few things.

 

So I’m going to put that to look at again. Because the way that he does it, he’ll do the move, someone set up scene, someone comes to threaten him, trying to attack him, and then he does it. And then he does it bit by bit to show you what moves where. And it sounds complicated, but believe me, if I could follow it, you certainly can.

 

So it’s something worth looking at.

 

And as Mike says, you have to be so careful with what you possess now. I mean, in Ireland, they’re even looking to pass a law to jail people for having things on their computer that they don’t like. Doesn’t matter if you’ve distributed it or not. And we’re not talking about things that should be prosecutable, like child pornography. We’re talking about a meme that they don’t like, a radio show that they don’t like. You don’t have to have distributed it. If you own it, they can jail you. That’s the law that they want to pass.

 

[44:26]

 

But before we go, I did say that I was going to read a Patriotic Alternative statement on Kristofer Kearney. Now, this went up on March the first [2023]. So let me just read this for Mike now and then we’ll get his comments and then we’ll go:

 

“Earlier today, March the first, Kristofer Kearney, better known online as Charlie Big Potatoes, pleaded guilty to recklessness at the Old Bailey in relation to sharing a number of documents deemed as illegal.

Firstly, it is important to make clear what has actually taken place here. Christopher shared a link to a page on Telegram which contained a library of over 10,000 books. Among those books, which included novels, health and fitness advice, gardening tips, and historical texts were a number of items that are banned by the UK government, including a number of manifestos linked to individuals who carried out unconscionable acts. It is also important to note that the banned items made up less than 1% of the total items in the library.

Secondly, Kristofer maintains that he shared the link in good faith, without full knowledge of what was present in the library.

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However, he concedes that his actions were ‘reckless’ and as such he has pleaded guilty with a view to a reduced sentence.

Finally, Kristofer was living in Spain when the offence took place and the actions were not committed on British soil, nor were they deemed illegal in Spain. Kristofer also has a young family and his partner gave birth to his fourth child shortly before he was arrested and remanded in custody. He has now spent over twelve months in custody, missing the majority of his young child’s life.

As such, we understand why he is eager to bring these legal proceedings to a close and be reunited with his family. We also understand the severity of the charges.

However, we must stress that the link that Kristofer shared was done so on his own private page. It was never shared to a Patriotic Alternative page. And it was not shared in any official capacity. We completely disavow any form of violence and or terrorism and are completely committed to peaceful Democratic change through our community building program.

This case should serve as a warning to all those using any online platform or social network as to the dangers of doing so under new government anti-terror legislation. By sharing links online from sources that you cannot trust or are unsure of, you may well be putting yourself and others at risk.

We urge all those within the nationalist community to exercise caution when interacting online and remind all those associated with Patriotic Alternative that we have a code of conduct which forbids the use of racial slurs or advocacy of undemocratic means of achieving political change. We also hope that this case will now be swiftly concluded and that Kristofer and his family will be reunited as soon as possible.”

 

So I think that we certainly learnt a few things there, didn’t we Mike, that we didn’t hear in the Twitter posts I read or the Liverpool Echo article I read, didn’t we?

 

[47:47]

 

Mike Walsh: He’s been targeted, hasn’t he? And he’s been very unwise because he’s given them the ammunition that they were looking for. And this is where we’ve all got to be careful. We mustn’t provide the enemy, which is the State, with the ammunition that they’re looking for. So we’ve just got to be more careful than we have done in the past.

 

As I said before, some of these books, they were openly sold. All of the US manuals, I was making reasonable money out of those when I was running the British moment. How to how to make improvised weapons, I seem to remember one of them. And my own book, Behind Enemy Lines, very, very popular books.

 

There is absolutely no way that they could be published today! So, as I say, we’ve slipped into a totalitarian state. We’ve got to accept that. You’re not going to see the headlines in the morning that Britain is now a totalitarian state, but it’s pretty damn obvious you can’t do anything, as the Republicans found out a few days ago during the Coronation, you can’t even hold a placard up now without the permission of the police! And that is a Police State.

 

I don’t care whether you’re Left or Right, Conservative or Labour or Liberal or Green, that is a totalitarian state! We’ve got to accept it and we’ve got to work our way through it, same as other people have done.

 

But they brought by mostly peaceful means, they brought the Soviet Union to this Eastern Bloc and the Soviet Union, actually, they brought it to its knees. There was very, very little violence. There was no violence at all, really, in the how many? 14 or 15 years from 1919 to 1933, when Adolf Hitler was elected, January 30, 1933. A lot of time passed.

 

But as Hitler, who was always against violence, he said himself that there were more people died in the two or three day abortive uprising, the Easter Uprising in Dublin, than died during the entire period of the National Socialist rise to power. So National Socialism and Fascism, it doesn’t have to have violence, just truth on his side, courage, and help those who are fighting on the front line. This is our weakness today. We don’t get behind our leaders, and that’s something that we should do!

 

[50:11]

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you, Mike. And we’ve got a couple of minutes left, so let’s run through quickly Mike’s website.

 

And of course, we’ve got Europe Renaissance.com, which is something that I visit every day.

 

And if you want to go sort of get the most recent articles, you can scroll down to the slider. So there you go.

 

So at the moment, Knife Madness, Merkel’s Mayhem brings an epidemic of knife crime to Germany. Then we’ve got Russian SU 35 jet nearly knocks Polish patrol plane out of the sky over the Black Sea. US presidential candidate blames CIA for JFK assassination. That’s Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Of course.

 

And then, “You can shove your Coronation up your arse”, which is basically what the Liverpool fans were singing, or certainly a significant enough section of them at a recent Liverpool football match, showing that not everybody was behind the Coronation.

 

And I just saw along the top, it just went past me, the slider “Mass roundup of anti-monarchists in London”. And I even saw a BBC article. I was just looking on the BBC site because it was a top headline, where the Met police have actually admitted that they regret arresting these people. I think it was kind of a knee jerk thing. It was a case of:

 

“This is the Coronation, we’re just going to take anyone away that we’re worried about and then we’ll worry about the consequences later.”

 

That’s the way I see it.

 

And so now they’re all quick to apologise now, but they’d have still done the same thing in hindsight, in my opinion, because they just wanted that, whatever you want to call the Coronation, they wanted that to run without a hitch as much as possible. So they might claim to be regretful now, but as I say, I doubt they have done anything differently. What are your thoughts, Mike, before we go?

 

Mike Walsh: Yeah, they’re very selective in applying and dragging on the kid gloves. I remember a long time ago, must be 50 years ago, it was three or four of us, we went to Chester, beautiful city, and we took a part of the payment. We were not under anybody’s feet and we lifted three or four placards up, End Immigration Now, that’s all. End Immigration Now, Keep Britain, White, that sort of thing, very inoffensive. Within two minutes, the police came onto us and removed us. They said:

 

“Take your banners down and move away from here, otherwise we’ll all be arrested!”

 

And that was 50 or 60 years ago. But you’re seeing now these climate activists and all the rest of it, they’re gluing themselves to motorways. They’re calling in the most awful mayhem.

 

Well, I’ll tell you, if those ecology minded people were to lift a placard saying, Keep Britain, White, then they will not see the same kid gloves with them. The people who go into museums and art galleries and throw paint over priceless artifacts and paintings and sculptures and things like that, they get the kid glove treatment. But if any one of them was a Conservative, they would get 15 years in jail and fines up to 100,000! They would bankrupt them!

 

[53:43]

 

So it’s a very political, politicised political structure now, police structure. So the Left-wing can get away with more or less anything. The black power movement, the Black Rights movement and all the rest of it. It seems to me that there’s nothing they can do that is going to end them up in a jail.

 

But we’ve seen the gentleman that you were talking about earlier, just for something perfectly innocent, he should have been a little bit more diligent in what he was sending out. You got to be careful, and he wasn’t careful, so they will grab him.

 

There are lots of journalists out there who are saying things, but they’re not anti-State, so we are living in a totalitarian State. Please accept it and respond to it by working sensibly within it, work within the rules, and that will frustrate the people who want you behind bars. They want you behind bars. Don’t help them, as this gentleman obviously did.

 

Andrew Hitchcock: Thank you so much, Mike. We’re going to end it there today.

 

So I want to thank Mike so much for joining us today on a show entitled “Be Careful Out There”. I want to thank all of you for listening. I’ll, of course, be back with more tomorrow.

 

Until then, folks, have a wonderful day. Be careful out there. And bye for now.

 

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Luke: Morgoth. Thank you for joining me for Lamster. In this stream I’m hoping that we can chart a bit of the history of how you reached the point you’re at right, now, in terms of your thinking about the world your understanding of things.

 

What’s a good time to start? How far do we rewind the clocks? Couple of decades? [chuckling]

 

Morgoth: Yeah actually. I was just saying before I went live, I was gonna do like a solo Morgcast on how I ended up with the opinions that I did in the world. I mean, I’ve kind of mellowed a bit in the last few years, you know, everybody gets older!

 

If you go back when I opened the blog in 2014, it was like literally, … I mean, I was Daily Stormer tier, what I wrote. My blog articles. I was in the Daily Stormer dashboard just posting me articles there, and trying to get them headlined, and all of that.

 

 

But the road that led up to me being writing at the Daily Stormer, which I think is sort of like my peak hardcore days, that’s long one. And most of it’s actually not on the internet at all! It’s in the real world.

 

I am, like obviously, I’m from the northeast. And then I started to do things like with some friends, cousin, who passed away this week. Maybe we can get into that later. So I’ve been a bit quiet this week, because there’s a lot for the family to deal with.

 

But I travelled around backpacking and things like that. And once I left the northeast, I started to see, first the south. And then I did backpacking. I went into Europe and we spent months. We’d work like crappy agency jobs. And then we’d just head out, because it didn’t matter. You could just come back and get a different job.

 

So we all lived at home then. And then we would go off. It was like three of us. And then we’d save up money and go off backpacking and just traveling around like that.

 

The thing is, when you, especially like in the 90s, growing up in the 90s in the northeast, it was all just English people. So there was hardly anything else. So you kind of assumed that would just be the status quo. And you look back there now in these halcyon days.

 

But then when I started to move around a bit in Europe. And I started to see places like Paris. And that’s already like say in 1999. And then I actually worked in Holland for a long, long, time. Like 10 years I was over there living and working in Belgium, Holland, over the border.

 

And then you begin to see things that you’re not really kind of prepared for. And there was things that I was expected to believe which I just couldn’t. And then one of the things that occurred to me was that the kind of label of “racist” was just a weapon. And I didn’t know why that had happened. I wasn’t aware of how that had kind of found it’s way. But I found it to be obvious. Like I just found it nonsensical.

 

And I used to sit in a like a pub, a little tavern in Belgium. And they had a lot of Turks and things. And I remember I used to try and kind of get out of them of what it means to be Belgium then. Because what it seemed to me was that if somebody just gets a passport. And they were kind of thinking well some of them [word unclear], because it’s a divisive issue. But some people are saying:

 

“Well, that means they all the Dutch.”

 

Or that means wherever they’re from, they can come in from the anywhere really. A Turk then will be then a Belgian.

 

And my issue that I really had a problem with was that, … And I would switch it. I would switch the scenario to the Danes, because they didn’t really have an empire. Because when you bring in all of the history and the baggage that countries like Britain and France have got, and Holland to be honest, it kind of gets more complicated. Because it’s about how they dished out citizenship after the colonial era.

 

So what I did was, I would bring up Denmark, because I knew they didn’t have a history of colonialism. And I was like. Well, we know that the Danish are, you think of the Danes. They’re these tall kind of handsome, blonde, Scandinavians. So we know what they are. But the problem is if everybody becomes Danish when they get a passport, then that can go on, and on, and on, and the original population will disappear.

 

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And this is way before, … At this point, I didn’t have the internet, or anything. I was just kind of wandering around in Europe noticing these things. And I didn’t know where to turn. I didn’t know what to get for information, or anything like that.

 

So it was kind of a strange thing, because you’re trying to piece all of this together without the internet, or without knowing which books to buy, or anything. These kinds of questions. It wasn’t that I was walking around as this “hater”. But I just felt like there was something wrong! In the case of France, because that was the first time, I was just horrified by the state of Paris.

 

And the funny thing is, I thought well they’ve made a mistake, and then somebody’s gonna step in, … It’s been like some political party must have came in and made a huge mistake. And then somebody else is going to come in and set this right.

 

But then you travel on the bus, the train, and you go to Belgium, and you’re seeing the same thing again! And then you go to Holland and you see the same thing again. And then I would go to London and I was seeing the same thing again! And I thought:

 

“Well, how can it be happening everywhere?”

 

And then also like all of these places were using the same kind of terminology to shut people down. And I thought:

 

“How could all of this be happening at the same time in all of these different countries? It doesn’t make any sense!”

 

I just started to feel as if there was something deeply, deeply wrong going on in Europe.

 

So that was what set me off.

 

Luke: You noticed that there was this kind of unanswerable question, this cognitive dissonance, that I’m being told to believe “A” but I’m seeing “B”, and then simultaneously there’s this rhetoric that you mention around calling people “racist”, that seems to be shutting down the question.

 

And I can’t help thinking lots of people must notice this on some level, but very few seem to push into it, and investigate, and go further. So was there just something inside you that couldn’t accept living with the dissonance? You’re on a mission.

 

Morgoth: Yeah, well there was two things. Let’s just say, because we’re on YouTube, let’s just say there was the nature of the diversity itself.

 

Luke: Yeah.

 

Morgoth: Which it wasn’t great. And then there was the sort of the second part, was the ideological part. Which I wouldn’t have even used that kind of language. But there was a kind of intellectual component which I couldn’t, … Like that was what I had a problem with, because it didn’t make sense.

 

I mean, an example would be where the place where I worked in Holland, I’d go in, and they’d be two black lads and they both had White Dutch girlfriends. And they were like sharing each other explicit photos on their phone. And I deliberately picked up they had some kind of connection with each other, that was closer than the bond either one of them had with the girlfriends.

 

And so I began to pick up on this in-group, out-group kind of thing. And the problem that I had was that like say my side of that equation, the White side, was not allowed to have an in-group bias.

 

In fact, that when you began to talk about that you ran straight into the problem of the intellectual component. So it’s like, then you’re saying:

 

“Well everybody else is tribal. And not just tribal. But they are viewing us with contempt!”

 

And then it’s like:

 

“Well okay, so we need it to be like that.”

 

And then it’s, we can’t. Because that’s taboo. And I thought:

 

“Oh, now this gets a bit dark.”

 

Because we’ve obviously got some serious problems here. We seem to be surrounded on all sides. And then when we try to kind of defend ourselves against it, and ring fence it, and form a cohesive block of our own, we’re not allowed to do that? So we just have to remain, like kind of victims? And it just kind of carried on like that.

 

I mean, in Holland, in the 2000s, you don’t hear too much about it these days. But there was some quite crazy things that went on. I mean, Pim Fortuyn, he wasn’t even far-Right. He was just a sort of classic liberal gay, who was the Mayor of Rotterdam, I think it was. And an antifa Dutch Lefty shot him dead in the street. I heard that at work when it happened. It was their equivalent of Radio One.

 

[10:11]

 

But he was addressing a lot of these issues. Specifically the issue of the Moroccans in Rotterdam, and how it was all one way. And that something needed to change. And here you are, he was shot dead.

 

And then you had Theo van Gogh, who got more, or less, beheaded on the streets of Amsterdam, because he was vocal. And it wasn’t that they were far-Right. It was that they were these more kind of old-fashioned European liberals. Where the problem they had with them, it wasn’t like “blood and soil”, all that kind of thing. But it was that they weren’t abiding by liberal rights. They saw it as, especially the Islamic kind of contingent of the multicultural society, was just openly flouting liberalism. And the liberal elites in Europe weren’t standing up against it.

 

So everybody had these speech codes. And all of this. And from their perspective, like it wasn’t like a blood and soil argument. It was an argument in favour of liberalism. And they weren’t getting anywhere. They were getting shut down.

 

They kind of drifted into the Counter Jihad nonsense, as well. And I got into that, as well for a while, because it was like they were the only people who I had access to. And, you know, read people like Mark Steyn, and this kind of thing.

 

Luke: Hmm. One of the, at least these days, one of the frequent defenses given to normies for this sort of unique treatment, whereby everyone can be a victim except the groups who clearly are the actual, the biggest victims, is this concept of “privilege”. There’s always a group who’s on top and everybody’s allowed to criticize that group. To the point where if they are widely accepted to be on top, it’s actually beyond the scope of conversation to discuss whether in fact, they are on top.

 

Were these dynamics all around in the early, like the 2000s? And did you pick up on that?

 

Morgoth: It was a bit later.

 

Luke: Okay.

 

Morgoth: What happened was I ended up becoming friends with a Dutch lesbian. I mean, on a lighter note, like I’m a young young lad. And I just didn’t believe that she was actually a lesbian. I thought like she just she just needed the right encouragement, kind of thing. [Lamda laughs] And I just wouldn’t have it! And we got into this kind of routine, where I’d get drunk, and kind of try me luck. And then it was like I got slapped off all the time. And:

 

“I really am a lesbian! I’m not just making it up. You’re not gonna like lure me away!”

 

You know what I mean. But she was great! She actually she was okay, besides that. [chuckling]

 

But I did notice, because there was a like a gay came in and worked for a while. And he couldn’t do it, because it was heavy work. He was a laughing stock. But what he did straight away was go to the manager and say if anybody makes fun of him for being like a homo, then he wants their jobs. And we all got a kind of speaking to. Like you just don’t talk about it. And I remember talking to the lesbian one day. And I was saying:

 

“Look the problem is, if you add up, like you all in your own ways think you’re victims. But if you add it all up, if you add you up with the gays.”

 

I mean, the trans thing wasn’t an issue then. You didn’t hear of it then.:

 

“And then with all of the different like minority groups, if you add you all up together, that’s one hell of a coalition against what’s normal!”

 

And then the reply was like:

 

“Well, what’s normal?”

 

So either the reply was this kind of post modern mumbo jumbo. And so that was one of those times I thought:

 

“This is kind of weird. This is really worrying!”

 

Because, if you do add up all of these groups they’re not minority, they’re going to call the shots!

 

Luke: Hmm. The coalition of minorities ends up being a majority, together!

 

Morgoth: Yeah.

 

Luke: And the people who fall outside of every minority, are actually the minority, at that point. That that gets picked on by everybody else.

 

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Morgoth: Yeah. And so you begin to think:

 

“Well, if this just goes on, and on, and on, like this is going to be the end of Europe!”

 

And again I thought, … Well, I just couldn’t understand why it was happening, and why it was happening everywhere at once.

 

And so eventually there was a lot of unpleasant things happening, like with kebab shops, and rumours, and things like that.

 

But then eventually I did get the internet. And I remember, … I was seeing a Belgian girl at the time, a Flemish girl. And I discovered a blogger, in the Counter Jihad scene, called Fjordman. It turns out he’s a bit dodgy. [chuckling] And he kind of retired after the Anders Brevik kind of thing. He was getting a little bit too close, … He was seen as being a kind of inspiration for him.

 

And like, I’ll put it this way. Like Fjordman, when it turned out he wasn’t really Norwegian, he was something else. And he was deeply entrenched in the Counter Jihad.

 

But leaving that aside, he had a blog where it was all about what was going on. He was from Sweden. He said he was Norwegian, but the point is that he was writing about Sweden. And this is like 2007, or something. And it had never occurred to me.

 

Like I remember sitting up and my girlfriend bought a laptop, because I didn’t even have a computer, or anything. And we sat up reading the Fjordman’s blog, like all night. And one of the articles what he wrote was called “What is the GDP worth of a gang rape?”, or something like that.

 

Now, at this point, it had never even occurred to me that Sweden would have mass immigration. Because the first thing is, it’s like this cold country up in the middle of nowhere. So I thought it would be strange that immigrants would even want to go to Sweden. [Luke chuckles] But then, not only were they going there, not only were they going there even more as a percentage than what they were going to other parts of Europe, but the politicians were more politically correct. Which by that time was a phrase I’d kind of picked up on. And I thought:

 

“My god! What the hell is going on?”

 

And it was always demographic breakdown. And for me it just seemed like this is the end of the world! This is the end of our world, which has taken place here! And I’ll be kind of get more, and more, …

 

Eventually then I actually went to Norway physically myself. And I could see like Norway wasn’t that bad. But I could tell, I could see it in Oslo. And then I was like:

 

“Yeah. I can imagine what Sweden is like.”

 

And I just thought it was just this kind of profound sense of:

 

“This is wrong! This is so wrong!”

 

If you have a look at, there’s like nine million Swedes in the world, out of like seven billion people! And they aren’t allowed their own place in the world? With all like the sort of distinctive Scandinavian blonde hair? Like why is that not being treasured, and protected, for what it is? And I just found the whole thing just repulsive!

 

Because then everywhere was just going to end up looking like Asia, or North Africa. And then these special ethnic groups are just going to disappear! And bit by bit you can see that I was just getting more, and more, kind of radicalized! But not by the internet, by what I was seeing with me real eyes.

 

Luke: Hmm. Did you perceive the drive to be kind of globalist in origin? That is everywhere becomes a homogenous mixture of all cultures, or did you perceive it as explicitly anti-Western? You know, an attempt to tear down, for example, Sweden in particular, or Holland?

 

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Morgoth: I saw it that the traditional peoples of Europe were under attack! That it was genocidal in intent.

 

Luke: But it seemed like it was the politicians within the countries who were like driving it forward.

 

Morgoth: Yeah. So that a big problem that I had, and this gets you back to say the Counter Jihad. So obviously I had limited access to the internet. So one of the things that they were saying was that this was essentially a “bottom up revolution”. And that the radical Marxists in Sweden had, … And they would go on like the Gramscian thing, long march through the institutions. And that basically cultural Marxists in Sweden had wriggled their way in the positions of power, and it had gone all the way up. And now the problem that I had with that, like I thought:

 

“Okay I can kind of get that. But then the problem is like, why did the people up on the top will allow that to happen?”

 

Like presumably you’re gonna have an elite class in your government. And that they are gonna notice what’s going on. And they’re just gonna shut it down! And that obviously hadn’t happened.

 

So I didn’t understand it for a long time. It just didn’t make sense. Because I was being told that this was a bottom-up revolution.

 

Another problem that I had, a big problem that I had, was let’s just take that narrative for what it is. But the problem is like the Marxists were themselves White. So why would they do this to their own country? And I began to get the impression that there was something else. [chuckling] There was another element at play. And whatever it was it despised the sort of the Nordic phenotype. The northern European type.

 

That there was some other force out there which wanted them binned! Wanted them gone! But I didn’t know who, or what that was at that time, of course. [chuckling].

 

But one of the things with that, it seemed me as well, like if you wanted to kind of decapitate the northern European aesthetically, and ethnically, you would do that to somewhere like Sweden.

 

And at the same time I’ve been all the way around Spain. So I’m not talking about the internet message boards. I was actually in these places. And one of the things I noticed about Spain was that it was actually relatively untouched. Now in all fairness, it’s kind of hard to tell a difference [chuckling] in a lot of the cases. But Spain just still seemed very Spanish. And it was in the north that seemed to be getting Muhammaded. And I thought:

 

“Yeah there’s something not right here. Something that I don’t like.”

 

So I was just constantly like, … And I looked in the early days of YouTube, I was finding videos, especially in America, that’d be blacks gloating about it! About our shrinking percentage in the world.

 

Luke: That’s one of the curious things that the people, … So even today I’d say this is the case. There’s a lot of sort of intellectualizing, high-minded language. But, there’s clearly also straight-up malicious groups. So that you’ve kind of got both forces in co-operation in some ways, right?

 

You’ve got the almost the naive liberal perspective. I don’t know if it’s genuine naivety? One way, or another it seems to be a genuine attempt to be above issues of culture and race. And then you have these groups which seem to be allowed to exist, supporting their own interests in a fairly straightforward way. But, because they are perceived as victim classes, therefore it’s kind of palatable and acceptable to the wider society that they’re looking after their own interests.

 

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Yeah, but like I kind of just didn’t want them there in the first place. I didn’t really want to hear any sob stories, or thought structural kind of issues. I didn’t care! I just didn’t think they should be in Europe, because it’s not their place. So all of this kind of stuff about “privilege”, and all of this kind of Lefty structural language I just brushed it aside. I don’t care like!

 

And to be honest I still feel the same way today. Because I’ve been sidetracked this week I was planning to do, I’m still am, a Morgcast with Daughter of Albion on Jane Austen. Jane Austen’s being cancelled in university, because they’re “decolonizing” the curriculum.

 

So people tend to get drawn into these kind of arguments about well, Jane Austen is part of the British identity, which is like part of the Empire. And we need to kind of deconstruct all of that. So you get more diverse voices heard. And I just think, I don’t give a shit! I don’t care if you don’t like it! I don’t want you here in the first place!

 

So I was opposed to the initial kind of immigration. And then, after the fact, I’m also supposed to then engage in this kind of Lefty dialectic about “oppression”, and who fits in, and who has their voice? I don’t care about that, because I was opposed to the first one! I’m not going to be opposed to the second one! Well oh, you know what I mean, I’m not going to get drawn into that’s kind of rubbish in the second act! [Luke chuckles] Now that we’re here, we’ve got all these problems! Well I don’t care! I don’t want them here anyway!

 

Luke: Yeah. But I was sort of commenting on that this is the only part of the dialogue that’s allowable on mainstream platforms. You’re talking about a feeling that I think, so you had, and was probably shared by an enormous number of people. I mean, you know, who can really tell how many people have what opinions, because there’s always an attempt to sugarcoat it with the Leftist language.

 

And so whenever it’s talked about in sort of respectable society, the conversation is always in terms of sort of high-minded idealists versus the racists, and sexists, and transphobes, and whatever. But then you kind of see the mask slip from time to time with gloating about.”

 

Oh! Get excited, because America is going to be minority White by X date!”

 

Or whatever it is. These kind of news stories pop up from time to time. And you think is that, … That’s an unusual amount of glee from somebody who was supposedly a high-minded idealist, right?

 

Morgoth: Yeah. I mean, just kind of following the story on. I’m going to skip over some of it, because it’s pretty gruesome. But eventually I had a Facebook account, like a normie Facebook account. And this was around about the time that the BNP was like surging. And I checked out the BNP. They had like a big Facebook page. This is before censorship was a thing on Facebook. So imagine the BNP had like two million followers on Facebook, or whatever it was on there, …

 

Luke: You can’t imagine it now, can you?

 

Morgoth: It’s insane really! The stuff that you could get away with, it was like a wild west.

 

Luke: But do you think pre — 2016 there was a genuine sort of, … I think in Silicon Valley there was an actual belief in this like:

 

“Sunlight is the best disinfectant! We’re going to let people have their ideas, hash it out in public.”

 

And they really thought two terms of Obama, all of the signs were kind of saying:

 

“Yes, actually through freedom of speech we’re heading in a direction that fitted with the Silicon Valley culture.”

 

And so I think there was a real difference pre — 2016 in the way that a lot of this existed online.

 

Morgoth: Yeah. I think a lot of those big tech CEOs, they were happy with free speech, because they thought they had the best ideas. They thought they had the best moral arguments. So it was like:

 

“We can give nationalists a voice, because we know we’ll beat them, because we know that we have better arguments than they do.”

 

And, of course, this proved out to be wrong. This proved out to be like very wrong! And they ended up having to just resort to outright power. Well, it was like:

 

“Well, we can’t beat them, because you end up with Brexit! You end up with Trump! You end up with these mass populist movements!”

 

[30:20]

 

So he has just come up with that book today which kind of proves a point, where eventually it will just come down to loss of power. And they’re not just going to sit back and lose power, they’ll shut you down instead! So that’s the end of your kind of bottom-up rebellion! You can’t go anywhere.

 

But I mean one of the things that I did see back, kind of reminiscent on the BNP page, which was another wake-up call, was though it was just absolutely swarming with UAF trolls!

 

So the kind of people who are on the BNP, they’d be like working class. I always mentioned one. It was like a working-class girl from Carlisle called Becky. Who I got a little bit friendly with. And you could see they weren’t well read. They were typing in text speak in the messages.

 

And then you had all of these lefties, who’d obviously been like to university. And they had all of these narratives. They basically were these working-class White people on the BNP page. A lot of them were women as well. And they were just being absolutely torn apart by the Lefty trolls as they called them! Like just humiliated! And insulted! Viciously, viciously insulted for being stupid, racist, scum! And all of the kind of White guilt stuff. And they had all of the arguments ready to roll.

 

And I remember thinking that it was clearly coordinated. And I was thinking:

 

“Who does that?”

 

The first thing is, it sounds so naive now. But I was thinking:

 

“But you are us. Like you are English as well, you are British! Why are you taking the side of the ‘other’, against your own people?”

 

And I know it sounds naive. But I was absolutely disgusted by it!

 

And as well as all of the kind of intellectual kind of stuff they were coming out with. And I thought:

 

“Where’s this coming from? How do they know this?”

 

Because it’s as if they’ve been like mentally and intellectually tooled up to shut these people down! To have all of the Right talking points, and everything.

 

And that was a thing where I wanted to know. I want to know where that came from! I wanted to know who was responsible!

 

One thing that I used to like read Mark Steyn’s blog, every Saturday. And he was like a neocon. He’s actually on GB News now. He’s coming out with some quite based stuff. But he wrote a book called “America Alone”. But the downside of it is he was very much a neocon.

 

But nevertheless, he gave me, … Like he used to point out how absurd it was that you would have Leftists who tended to be like feminists. And they would come out in support of the burka, or they were coming out in support of like radical Islam, and all this. And for me I thought this is great! Because it was like a little tool that I had! It was a little kind of way, you know, I’d got my first like little weapon to fight back [chuckling] in the war of words, which I was getting more, and more, drawn into on the internet.

 

And bit by bit I began to build up the armoury and find out where they were coming from. And all of that kind of thing.

 

Luke: Mmm.

 

Morgoth: And it went on, and on, from there.

 

Luke: It’s good to dig into that. And I know it’s a well trod idea, at this point. But you have the high-minded publicly put forward ideal of:

 

“We want to treat everybody equally, and protect everybody. And particular focus on protecting women, and defeating misogyny!”

 

That’s the kind of self-described, the way that they would talk about themselves. But then, if you look at their actual actions, then they would be extremely, … They’d sort of run rearguard action to defend Islamic culture. Which was unashamedly sort of backwards in their terms.

 

They would say, surely an honest analysis if they really cared about women’s rights, they would be stridently against lots of the things that the true believer Muslims, the exact sort who would wear the hijabs, and so on, would be saying.

 

And yet they those people were sort of also held up as sort of unassailable, ever victimized, morally perfect, groups. It’s like the behaviour and the claimed beliefs don’t match. So it’s a little chink in the armour where you can get people to start to think a bit more, right?

 

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Morgoth: Yeah. I mean, the original title that I saw proposed was “Why I Hate”. Now that actually sounds a bit much, but it gets back to some early blogs that I did when I got into what we’re talking about now.

 

And one of them which kind of just turned me into an outright White nationalist, was – even though like I still didn’t have the materials and all this. But in those days I worked and I was out and about in Europe all the time. And then I was on Facebook on the BNP group. And this was Morgoth germinating.

 

And one of the things that happened was that I got sent really gruesome pornographic videos off, let’s say Asian males from the Yorkshire area, where they were, … Well, I don’t think I have to go into details. But it was videos of grooming, to be honest. And it was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen in my life.

 

Luke: Hmm.

 

Morgoth: And by that time I’d kind of got a love-hate relationship with one of the Leftists. And I showed her the video, which was unbelievably grotesque! But it was an out-group being triumphalist over English girls in Yorkshire! Like explicitly triumphalist and demeaning them in the worst possible ways!

 

So I send this video to the Lefty. And I say:

 

“This is what you’re doing!”

 

And it was just brushed away as:

 

“Well, you know, girls are just like that these days.”

 

And I was like:

 

“What the hell! Like, look at it!”

 

And so then it became where these, for whatever reason they are, these people are just utterly sick! Utterly sick!

 

Luke: And this is what we in retrospect can now, … Well you saw it perhaps at the time, but certainly it’s increasingly coming to light that these supposedly high minded moral crusaders on the Left were actually, in fact, covering for some of the most reprehensible and hateful behaviour that you could ever hear of! Some of the most evil people perpetuating some of the worst atrocities in your own country.

 

And yet the people who are aware of it, for reasons of political correctness, are not able to, are actually allowing it to continue, and protecting the perpetrators.

 

And anybody who hears about this and doesn’t have an immediate moral repulsion towards those groups, I think is in some ways they have to be considered to be also stained by, … These crimes are so horrible that to be in any way not criticizing, not standing up for the true victims in all this, right, the people who were being groomed and trafficked, and so on, … Like it’s not enough to simply see it happening and do nothing. You have to take a stand, regardless of the optics. Sorry, that’s just a, …

 

[40:04]

 

Morgoth: Yeah. Because okay, I didn’t expect them. So I gave the Unite Against Fascism that video, that footage. I didn’t expect them to be like me. I didn’t expect them to, by that time, have the views that I’d developed. But I at least expected them to be in a liberal kind of:

 

“Well, we don’t want anybody being racist. But this is also disgusting. And we are against that, as well.”

 

And the impression that I got was that these White people just hate White people! And so be it!

 

And I also realized that I despise them more than the actual perpetrators, because I understand how men think. I understand how men operate. I understand that they will be triumphalist over an out-group if they have the chance. I’ve been around, I’ve seen it! So that side of it wasn’t complicated.

 

The problem was the Lefties themselves. I just found them absolutely grotesque! Like spiritually rotten! That to me was the real problem. I could understand men, tribes of men, dominating the weaker parts of another group. That’s basic old stuff! But then how the hell do you explain when you’ve got like middle-class British people having such hatred and contempt for their own kind!

 

Luke: So let’s talk now about what happened in your mind between, so let’s say the last four years, of approaching and coming into “Coofland”.

 

Morgoth: Well I think, because I was kind of heavily in with the Alt-Right, I suppose. But I’m not an American. So I always had a bit of a distance. And then when that all kind of blew up, you notice how this slips more, and more, under like an online thing [chuckling]. In a way it’s like steadily replacing, …

 

Me story begins with me wandering Europe with a rucksack. And then, by the time you get into the later stages, it’s like this purely online, changing your opinions and consuming content. Which is what it is.

 

But basically when the Alt-Right thing blew up I’ve gradually become more, and more, disillusioned with populism. I still held all the same opinions. But it seemed to me that they would just shoot you down! The elites just wouldn’t allow you to have power.

 

I did an article back in, I think it was like 2016. And it was called something about “The Great Shutdown”. I can’t remember the exact title. It was a blog post that I did at the original Morgoth’s Review blog. I called it “The Meta-politics of the Great Shutdown”. So this is like 2016-2017. And I predicted all of the censorship that was coming in.

 

And I predicted it, because the point that I made was that if we are right about our analysis of the what the elites are doing, and the power structure, if we are correct, and our tactic is to use the internet to form a kind of mass consciousness which would kind of break the system down and it wouldn’t be able to function, and that we’d have to have some kind of change, … Like if our analysis is correct, they’re going to have to censor us [chuckling]! Because they can’t just sit back and allow us to do it! And then, like quickly, not long after that, all the censorship came in.

 

And then I realized:

 

“Yeah. Well, that’s just the way it is.”

 

And I remember coming across people like Distributist. And I really liked that more, … It was as if I’d gone through a stage of like rage, and just absolutely seething about things. And I like that more nuanced, more thoughtful, … And I was always into reading a lot. And so I began to draw on that more, and more. That’s right now. Like I’ll do movie reviews. But when you go into the back catalog, you’ll see some really spicy stuff.

 

Luke: [chuckling] What was it then that was appealing, … You were having this kind of rageful experience and you come across Distributist’s channel. What were the new ideas, or the new perspectives, do you think? And how did that sit with you at that time?

 

[45:31]

 

Morgoth: Well, I’ll explain. There’s a few videos of his that I came across which were more, it’s more about looking at Western civilization as a whole. And the kind of moral path. The one about Moldbug surprisingly enough, about Cthulhu always swims Left.

 

Luke: Yes.

 

Morgoth: So then I was able to get into something else which had always been on my mind and connect it up, which was the technology. And that the technology is affecting us as well. So I began to broaden things out.

 

And then, in about 2018, I began watching John David Ebert’s like old, really badly recorded, series on Oswald Spengler. And then it was just like that for me was the shit! And it was like all of the questions that I had, it all just kind of like:

 

“Yeah. This is it! This is what I felt all my life!”

 

And so I just binged watched the series that he’d done over, and over, again. And then I ordered the books. So then you have a huge framework. And you can put in where you are and like what’s going on in the West, and this kind of thing.

 

So the old days, when all I had was like Mark Steyn, it was like long gone. You’ve got a much bigger kind of canvas. And you can see where you are on it.

 

Luke: Yeah. So let’s talk about then, … I feel like one of your takes very early on in the “Coof”, I think you were one of the first people to put forwards this perspective is the idea that there was going to be a drive towards some sort of digital passport, something like that. How did you come to see the world in a way that makes that angle seem like the play? How does that fit in to your understanding of the world?

 

Morgoth: So that’s a big question! But you can come at it from various different angles. But it was mainly because I’ve been focusing on technology for a while and how intrusive it was coming.

 

And like just to skip back out into the real world, the job where I was working at the time, driving a forklift in a warehouse, I saw everything being these kind of switch passes. And I saw people having like smart watches which tracked them when they went jogging. Or like people playing with things on their phones. So I saw all of that coming in anyway.

 

But it was mainly the idea that we could be tracked. I’ve always hated the idea of being tracked. And then it was just a short skip and leap where if all of this starts to be connected up, like that’s not a great thing! Because I was already aware of how toxic all of the big tech companies were.

 

And you can kind of come in at it with the Spengler angle as well, where this Faustian drive, to never to stop, to always push on further, and further. This obsession with inventing things without really thinking about it.

 

I watched the video yesterday. I’ve got a YouTube video coming up about Elon Musk. And about why he’s never going to get the Mars. And I’m going to kind of dig into this kind of stuff a bit.

 

But I saw a painting by William Blake, on a documentary about William Blake, yesterday. And it was his painting of Isaac Newton. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen it?

 

Luke: Do you want me to bring it up?

 

Morgoth: Yeah. I should have put it in the chat. I could put it in the chat on Telegram.

 

Luke: I could probably find it. Keep talking, I’ll google it.

 

[50:06]

 

 

Morgoth: So what you’ll find is that, … So William Blake was very much against the Enlightenment. He loved the imagination, he loved God, he was a very spiritual and religious person. And, of course, Isaac Newton is the complete opposite of that.

 

So Isaac Newton, of course, is like the quintessential British empiricist. And in the painting that he had, you’ve got Isaac Newton. [image is shown] So yeah, that’s great.

 

So in this image here and I should have saved this for me video. I’m spoiling my thing here. [chuckling] So you’ve got William Blake this very, very religious, very spiritual orientated person, who sees things in terms of metaphysics and a connection to God. And this is his depiction of Isaac Newton, the quintessential British empiricist.

 

Now, what do we see? Well, what we see is Newton and that he’s actually he’s got his face buried in his calculator.

 

Luke: He’s looking down.

 

Morgoth: He’s looking down and his face is buried with his compass, and he’s obsessing over his calculations. But when you look at the rest of the painting, where is he? Well, he’s actually at the bottom of the ocean. And he’s sitting on quite a pretty kind of coral reef, or something, there.

 

Now this is very clever and deep I think from William Blake. Because in today’s world Isaac Newton and his approach to the world of rationalism and quantifying everything, it’s a technocratic world view. And William Blake is saying here, he’s so buried in his numbers, and then his number crunching, and his data, that he doesn’t actually realize that he’s at the bottom of an ocean. In other words, he doesn’t realize the world that he’s actually in. He doesn’t understand reality!

 

And today of course, when you look at the various technocrats that you, what’s it called? Yuram Harari, or whatever. And they’re talking about hacking humans. And they’re talking about chips, and the whole drive towards transhumanism.

 

Well, that comes out of, that is in a way what Isaac Newton’s legacy is, and people like him. And what’s being taken from the world, it’s as if like Isaac Newton, they don’t really understand the world that they’re in, in a kind of deep spiritual sense. They don’t even know where they are. All they understand is these calculations and these numbers. And William Blake, of course, is pointing this out here. Because William Blake is saying:

 

“Well, I do see this. I see the beauty and the magic of the world, and Newton doesn’t! Newton just sees his dry calculations.”

 

And the sad thing is that it’s the Newtons who’ve won out. It’s the Newtons who are behind the digital IDs, and the Coof rule outs, and who are all these NGOs.

 

I mean, to the point where you just can’t make an argument based on the ideals of William Blake at all! But the problem is in the Newtonian frame, that’s probably wrong, but, you know what I mean.

 

Luke: Sure.

 

Morgoth: There’s no poetry to it. There’s no beauty to it. And the problem with that, is that it’s completely lacking in spirit!

 

And so this is a little teaser for me Elon Musk video that I think I’m gonna do. About whether, or not, he can get himself to Mars? I don’t doubt for a second he can get the resources and the technology. But can’t he get the will to do it?

 

Because you come back to the basic question of, why go to Mars in the first place? Why would anybody sit for eight years on a spaceship, you know however long it would take, for no reason? Like is it for a financial incentive? Well, in the end there’s not really that great of an incentive for some guy to go to Mars, with all of the danger. Something breaks down you’re dead! And it could be a long and painful death.

 

[54:56]

 

But the thing is it’s like Elon Musk, all he has to work with is the tools of the compass and the data. But what he’s trying to do relies on a higher reality, a higher drive to have in the world. And he is also at the same time destroying that still further, along with the rest of the technocrats.

 

Luke: Hmm.

 

Morgoth: So it’s as if they’re going to have to choose. And they can’t have it both ways. They can’t reduce everybody to these widgets, where we’re sitting in our pods eating synthetic meat. And then at the same time expect to have these grandiose kind of ambitious plans to conquer Mars, or whatever.

 

Luke: It feels like we’ve been put in a position where we’ve been forced into this posture, and told to be Isaac Newton here. Like a net’s been put over us. And you’re not allowed to experience the beauty of the natural world. You must marvel only at man-made creations inside this little sphere within your grasp.

 

Morgoth: Yeah. Look how small it is that he’s looking at. Now, of course, there’s a kind of hubris to it, where they are thinking:

 

“Well the human brain, we’ve catalogued all of the molecules. And all of your DNA. All of the your blood cells. We’ve got all of this kind of down. And you with your old superstitious ideas of beauty, this is all mumbo jumbo!”

 

And yet you can see in William Blake’s kind of vision here, he views them as being the ones who can’t see, or at least they can only see a very small fraction.

 

Luke: This is the part that’s illuminated the work he’s looking on. Because he’s not bothered to go and explore and illuminate. It’s just a big mystery, the kind of darkness. Like:

 

“What’s that outside of the human brain? Well, who cares, because you can live in a box and talk to one another on computers!”

 

And yeah, I feel like the Muskian vision, the kind of heroism of:

 

“Let’s go to Mars!”

 

Is admirable, right? The let’s do something not just because it’s, … I mean, sitting in a rocket and putting up with the difficult conditions to get there. It’s like an adventure, a challenging physical thing that’s difficult, but you achieve greatness by confronting those difficulties!

 

Morgoth: But the problem is the materialist kind of view of man is one where you end up just as being in the pod, with enough to eat, your UBI [Universsal Basic Income], your digital currency, your sustainable fake meat. And all of this kind of thing. Because you don’t need anything more than that. If you’re bored, we’ll hook you up to the Metaverse.

 

Luke: Right!

 

Morgoth: And you can watch porn. And all of this. But this, of course, is to say that there’s no such thing as a human spirit of any kind. You’re just an animal to be fed like a cooped up battery hen. And you can’t then turn around and say:

 

“Now we need a heart!”

 

In the old days it would be conquering the northwest passage, or trekking across the mountains. It’s like the thing about, we used to say, because it’s only really Europeans who had a thing about mountain climbing. And they would say like:

 

“Well, why bother to climb the mountain?”

 

And then there’s that famous thing.:

 

“Well, it’s because it’s there! Because it has to be done!”

 

And implicit in that you’ve got this drive and this spirit to do it. But the technology that people like Elon Musk are developing, the Neural Links, it simultaneously crushes that drive and that spirit.

 

So they can’t have it both ways. And they’re going to have to decide. They’re going to have to spend their resources on giving us healthy societies back, which can actually achieve wonders again.

 

But as it stands now they are more interested in, yeah, just enslaving us and having us on a Social Credit grid, like chickens in a battery.

 

[59:53]

 

Luke: There’s one last topic I’d like to talk with you about briefly. You mentioned at the beginning of the stream the passing of your, well I don’t know if you’ve wanted to talk about who it was. But you had a recent bereavement and wrote very touchingly on your Substack about the subject of mortality, loss of friends, this kind of thing. Would you like to say a word, or two, about that? And what your thoughts are in that realm?

 

Morgoth: Well, I thought it was, … I mean, if you sign up to my Substack, it’s just five dollars a month. And that’s my hub. So everything that I do goes on there. If you like what I do.

 

In the online Right there’s plenty politics, there’s plenty political theory, and philosophising, kind of like what we were just doing there. [chuckling] But there’s this kind of reluctance, I think, to death. And when you get a little bit older, like I am, the amount of people that you’ve known in your life who like die, that increases quite a lot! And I wanted to do that article as if to tell people what they can expect beyond just platitudes.

 

Because the point that I explored was that when you grew up with your peers you kind of expect that all people will die. But then you among your friends, in my case it was a cousin, and a friend. And he’d been very ill for a long time after a motorbike crash. And he passed away in his sleep this week. And now the thing is at the beginning of the stream I was talking about all of the backpacking and the traveling that I did. That was all with him! And somebody else.

 

And so what’s weird is that when you begin to look back on your life, kind of reminiscing and memories, that gets to a point when like you’re the only person left alive, who’s actually experienced that. And you’re looking back. And I don’t want to be too kind of maudlin about it. But your history becomes full of ghosts in a way. Or it becomes where, because there’s nobody left to talk to about all the great times that you’ve had, your life experiences get kind of kicked into this abstract face space, which only now exists in your head.

 

And it’s been a shock to me, because I’m not that old! But the amount of suicides, and premature deaths. And I didn’t expect this many people who I grew up with to die so early.

 

Luke: Yes. So it’s a tough topic, but one that, I think, it’s a mistake that our culture doesn’t, it just refuses to touch. It’s like it’s not preparing us any better for facing the inevitable challenge of facing mortality by just simply pretending that it doesn’t exist.

 

Maybe that’s the theme for the whole stream, is the inability that we have in our culture to have difficult conversations, is childish. But it has real consequences where we don’t think things through. And then we’re suddenly slammed in the face by what the world actually consists of.

 

Morgoth: Yeah. It’s like a hard stop! The people that you talked, because now it’s kind of worse. Because people who are in their early 20s, or whatever. And like what do they call it? Like “permanently online”, or some phrase, the “extremely online”, or something. From what I can gather they live through the iPhone. They live in cyber space. And they are like a disembodied consciousness rubbing up against other disembodied consciousness within the internet.

 

Now, you know, Elon Musk and the boys have done a great deal with their technology and all this. But at least for the time being that’s still attached to a physical person in the real world. And that person will die one day! Some of them are going to die prematurely.

 

[65:01]

 

I mean, I’ve read that Facebook has like 17 million accounts on its site. A huge, huge, millions, and tens of millions of Facebook profiles. And the people have died! There’s like nothing behind it anymore. So they just kind of exist. I’ve got friends, nobody knows what the passwords are, so you still get a notification when it’s their birthday and all this kind of thing. It’s kind of warped! Because it’s not natural.

 

People in the past they didn’t have to deal with that. This would be completely alien to somebody in the 1990s, or the 1980s. But you just kind of get used to it. But the hard stop is that in meat space it will happen. And it’s important to carry on that it’s important to live in the real world.

 

Luke: Hmmm. Well, I’m sadly, because of the number of streams I’m doing I’m limited to an hour for each guest. Was there any last thoughts you had that you wanted to share, or things you want to point people to, just as we finish?

 

Morgoth: Not really. I mean, I just keep showing me Substack. Because if I disappear off YouTube. Like Substack works. When I do something and I post it, you get an email. And so I’ve come back to writing. I like doing that. And there’s tons of stuff up there already about different things that you’ll not find anywhere else. And that’s about it. Really, I’m a fairly simple fella.

 

Luke: Thank you so much for joining me Morgoth. And I’m finishing each stream in Lambster by reading a few verses from one of the Gospels. And we’re tracing through the Passion narrative, the story of Easter. So I’m going to finish the stream with a few verses.

 

Morgoth: Thank you very much for having me on.

 

Luke: And when they had sung a hymn, they went out onto the Mount of Olives. Then saith Jesus unto them:

 

“All ye shall be offended in me this night. For it is written I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. But after I am raised up, I will go before you into Galilee.”

 

But Peter answered and said unto him:

 

“If all shall be offended in thee, I will never be offended!”

 

Jesus said unto him:

 

“Verily, I say unto thee that this night, before the cock crows, thousand shalt deny me thrice.”

 

Peter saith unto him:

 

“Even if I must die with thee, yet I will not deny thee.”

 

[Audio cut out here]

 

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YouTube Comments

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Jeebus Chabatty
17 hours ago
Yet to hear a Morgoth interview that isn’t riveting. Kudos to both here
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Vingul
1 day ago (edited)
Just listening back as you finished up. Morgoth lore is very welcome.
22:50 reminds me of Morgoth’s «Hammad» story from years ago.
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Travis Happy
1 day ago
Morgoth is one of the best in the business.
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Andrew Jackson
Andrew Jackson
16 hours ago
One of? Can’t think of any better!
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ScarlettAnneP
1 day ago
Very high quality interviews here lately. You’ve got yourself a new subscriber.
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Running Free
12 hours ago
Excellent! Especially love the talk about William Blake towards the end. One of my favorite artists.
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United States of Post America
10 hours ago
Interesting he says it was not the Internet but real life that brought him to his current position.
Same as my experience the Internet just explained things I was already witnessing and thinking about.
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Lucy Robin
5 hours ago
Morgoth is the epitome of honesty.
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Jux Interior
15 hours ago
Great interview Lambda, you’re doing great work mate.
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Athan
11 hours ago
Newton was a mystic, an alchemist, and a devout Christian. Your description of him doesn’t do him justice.
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raspberry treacle
9 hours ago
This is good. Exactly what I want to here thank you gentlemen
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bond
16 hours ago
Hope morgoth doesnt end up doxing himself with these lore reveals, as interesting as they are….
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Wandering Panda
1 day ago
Thank you gents!
That was the perfect accompanist to appreciate while butchering some rabbits.
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skadi warrior
7 hours ago
I think we’re all travelling down that same road as Morgoth and ending up in the same place. I’m going to call it Morgoth Square; where all roads meet.
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Malhaus
3 hours ago
Thank you, loving the channel, came here for the Morgoth, stayed for both.
My mind’s been full of Peter lately. This is probably a trite observation and risks just being superstitious ‘numerology’, but my gut says no………… it’s this:
Christ fell thrice with His burden. Peter felt it.
It’s no mistake that it’s Peter who welcomes the faithful to paradise: if anyone can empathise with the shock and shame of being saved, it’s him. I imagine him saying “don’t cry, look: if I’m here…………”
It’s a deep part of the mystery of this time of year but part of our submission to God is our spiritual failure itself.
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The Cutest Club!
9 hours ago
The part about the grooming gang made me break a knuckle.
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Adeimantus
10 hours ago
Can confirm that Erbert’s series has exceptionally bad boomer audio—i’m still going to watch it.
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Forsaken Wanderer
1 hour ago
Morgoth is a rare case of someone who takes things seriously, in a world of jokes and irony it is a breath of fresh air to listen to someone who could of stepped out of a time portal from an era when men were men.

Good Lookin’ Out Homie
18 hours ago
Doing the Lord’s work (so to speak) Lambda. Woes must be getting a little nervous
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Spartacus
1 day ago
Very good, high quality stuff.
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Duckling sisters
1 day ago
When Europe returns to being dark, starving and freezing after Putin turns off the energy we will see how much fun the immigrants are having.
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berlingoful
berlingoful
4 hours ago
Wouldn’t that be a silver lining! One can hope they all pick up and leave. Keep moving.

Leon Rhodes
17 hours ago
Great chat gents keep up the good work .
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Joe R
13 hours ago (edited)
Newton spent more time trying to contact angels than doing science as we would recognise it now. But I suppose magic is the materialist’s spirituality in some ways.
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William Branch
11 hours ago (edited)
… no poetry to it – Morgoth. Poetic spirit hardly exist in America today.
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Daneo
46 minutes ago
Appreciated the Morgoth genesis story!

Rebecca Smith
18 hours ago
why-aye-man!! Love Morgoth’s accent
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vulpespersona
50 minutes ago
Lucifer, the lightbringer. He can’t help but bring light to himself. His darkness of vision illuminates him, to the initiated.

caleb
1 day ago
Forklift certified
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Patricius vun Kempen
16 hours ago
I refuse to belief that Newton was this jacked
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Xstatik
Xstatik
7 hours ago
Make the most of this channel before it gets removed
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Dissident Nomad
14 hours ago
Morgoth’s lore is much appreciated but his boneheaded racism really isn’t

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An Fómhar
14 hours ago
Let us know exactly where in the video he is exhibiting ‘boneheaded racism’…
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Dissident Nomad
10 hours ago (edited)
@An Fómhar “l don’t like them here, l don’t want them here”, anything that isn’t white he, seemingly, hates. It’s kind of obscene really

Dissident Nomad
10 hours ago
I didn’t know Lambda’s channel had been hijacked by the hard right

Adeimantus
10 hours ago
@Dissident Nomad What’s wrong with wanting a home for your people?
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Dissident Nomad
7 hours ago
@Adeimantus Absolutely nothing Adeimantus l just don’t think people should go round using broad brushstrokes and lumping everyone into the same group simply because we aren’t white even though l, for example, share Morgoth’s and presumably your disgust at grooming gangs and even demographic replacement. There is much more nuance to this than a lot of people appreciate l find.
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Northern Observer
5 hours ago
When mass immigration has ended in Europe we will have the luxury of toleration and benevolence.
Until then xenophobia is simply self preservation for European peoples.
Do you want Europe to survive?
Then support Europe for the Europeans.
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Adolfthejewbaka _
1 day ago
Merry lambster
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Riley Frost
16 hours ago
Morgoth!
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Raygun9000
17 hours ago
woah- that cut off abruptly.
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William Branch
11 hours ago
Yes, Lambda is a preacher, not a web site editor

J R Hartley
6 hours ago
Becky from Carlisle and her Brexit brood
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Patricius vun Kempen
17 hours ago
Danemark, i think actualy has had some colonys even in the carabean, also norway was under danish domination, and island i think
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Vingul
15 hours ago
Yes, they did have some tiny colonies. This is being used against Norwegians as well, because we were in a «union» (and of course much of the fleet was Norwegian) despite the fact that we were in fact under Danish rule, known as «the 400-year night».
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William Branch
11 hours ago
American Virgin Islands were Danish.

Michael Pagan
1 day ago
Are you listening Jordan Peterson?
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Jeebus Chabatty
17 hours ago
He’s too busy making his bed.
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Morgoths Dutch Lesbian Friend
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festus bojangles
16 hours ago
this guy stutters and stumbles too much. very hard to listen to

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An Fómhar
13 hours ago
You referring to Lambda or Morgoth? Not quite sure where you’re getting this from..
Both are a lot more articulate and confident in their speaking than the average person.
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festus bojangles
12 hours ago
@An Fómhar lambda

Adeimantus
11 hours ago
@festus bojangles He was having a little trouble starting today, i do agree.

An Fómhar
10 hours ago (edited)
@festus bojangles perhaps here and there he takes some time to get to the point but remember he doesn’t know exactly where the conversation will go and so has to adapt and readjust on the fly, that’s not easy, most of us would struggle to do it fluently. In the circumstances I think Lambda does a very good job here.

 

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Woes: It’s been one fucking dreadful year for everyone, and for me as well! And I think we’re all just waiting for it to be over now. But obviously it’s nice to do this at the end of each year. And especially a year like this where there’s been so much discord, darkness, uncertainty, fear, worry, stress, and all the rest of it!

 

But, of course, because we’re streaming to YouTube as well as Dlive, with this particular stream, we can’t say perhaps everything we would like to say about this year. So that’s very annoying.

 

But anyway, welcome to Millenniyule 2020! I think, I hope it will go very well. I’ve done a lot of preparation work for it. Sorry about the delayed start for this stream. Again annoying technical errors. Welcome to the show! And I’ll welcome my first guest of the year, On the Offensive, Hugh. So I see you’ve got your own festive gear on again!

 

Hugh (OTO): Again! It’s become a tradition! I found them. I moved house and I lost them and then today I found them. And I thought, yes, I can get them out! So yeah, here it is. And I also added the hat, you know. I had the glasses one year which were, oh god I’ve got some fluff in my eye. I had the glasses one year as well. Do you remember those? I don’t know, they’re blue rimmed with Father Christmases on them, or something. So I couldn’t get those. But hopefully this will do. I don’t know if people can see. I think people are appreciating.

 

Woes: The antlers are protuberant enough! [laughter] So it is sufficiently protuberant! So I think people will enjoy them. And thank you. And they’re wobbling quite nicely. It gives a nice sense of uncertainty, and, you know, amplifies my own sense of stress! So thank you very much.

 

Hugh (OTO): Modernity and a headpiece right here?

 

Woes: Yeah! I mean, obviously we can just go straight into it. What would you say, I mean, you know, opening question. What the fuck would you say about 2020? I’m just gonna sit back!

 

Hugh (OTO): It’s like the neoliberal dream. It’s like this is what they imagined for us all, along coming to fruition. The Great Reset! Nothing nothing gets them more excited than that, does it? And this is the ultimate, the ultimate prerequisite! The ultimate sort of setup to set that ball in motion. I think these people are absolutely evil in what they’re doing.

 

You look at the death threat of this virus. And sure it is highly contagious, and sure it’s going to put a burden on hospitals. I’m not someone who thinks it doesn’t exist. But what they’re doing is absolutely insane! It is the most, for so-called liberal democracies that have taken the most a illiberal route here. It’s very interesting that they’re keeping everybody under house arrest, essentially.

 

[03:00].

 

I can’t see my family this Christmas. I’m really pissed off about that. I don’t know if I should say things personal, but I’ll just say a family member had cancer this year. I couldn’t visit them. You know, things like that. I mean, it’s truly evil what they’re doing to people right now! And we know the nature of this virus now. In the beginning we didn’t but now we do.

 

Oh! You’re still there Woes? You’ve disappeared from my screen. You still hear mate? Has Woes gone! Am I the only person on this channel? Oh my god! I own his channel! I own it! It’s mine!

 

Well I hope everyone’s doing all right. I will shoot the shit until he comes back. He froze! He’s gone! Woes, frozen Woes! Oh fuck says people in the chat. Well, I’ll keep shooting the shit then, I suppose lads.

 

I’ll tell you one thing before he comes back enormous amount of work has gone into setting this up. He, you know, making the countdown clock. It wouldn’t render properly. He got very stressed about that. Setting up his studio at home to make it all work. Getting this sort of outline ready. All this kind of thing that he does for this channel. Hit that like button for Millennial Woes! Make sure you click like, for the guy!

 

God! I feel at a loss without him. But I didn’t expect, I didn’t expect him to go! Oh god, people are saying! [laughter] and so someone says in the chat, Woes is finally free!

 

All right, what should I talk about? I don’t know. Ask a question in the chat lads. I’ll just host it. Am I hosting? I suppose I am. Thumbs up, have thumbs up everyone! 14 for Woes. 14 in chat. Lads, I don’t know when he’ll come back. I don’t know. I’ll check my phone. See if he’s messaging me, or not.

 

Don’t worry, I’m not going to say anything to get the channel banned. I’ll message him. You okay, you okay bud? It is the first stream after all, you know, technical issues and all that. I wonder if his computer’s crashed. He’s been having problems with that.

 

All right, someone asked:

 

“Am I still making videos on my channel?”

 

I don’t know lads, I’m kind of done with big tech. I posted a video on BitChute, on my BitChute channel the other day. So, I don’t know about how I feel about YouTube anymore. They deliberately demoralize you, so that you will demoralize your audience! That’s what they’re trying to do.

 

If you’re someone who’s leading people in the wrong direction, if you’re like advocating civil war, or telling people how to make Molotov cocktails, or something. Molotov cocktails. They’ll promote you, right? If you’re a nutter, if you’re not, they’ll downgrade you. They’ll kind of shadow ban you. They’ll cut your views. And they’ll make you feel like you’re stuck in a rut like, why my videos used to get 200,000 views! Now I’m getting 10,000. What’s going on? And they’ll ban you!

 

[06:01]

 

And they’ll warn you. And they’ll send you these messages about how you’re treading on thin ice here, son, you know. And they’ll say these kind of things to you. And it’s like, god damn it! Do I want to post on this platform anymore? It’s supposed to be a “symbiotic” — I hope. I’m saying that word right — relationship, where it’s mutually beneficial. Where you’re creating content, they’re happy, because they’ve got the eyeballs, they put ads on your stuff, they make money.

 

But increasingly it’s felt like you’re their bitch! And they’re just messing with your head!:

 

“Hugh? Are you Hugh? Hugh? Hugh?”

 

Yeah I am Hugh. Someone says in the chat:

 

“Collett.”

 

Oh, I won’t read that:

 

“Looking pretty festive there Hugh!”

 

I feel pretty festive. I gotta say, as bad as the year has been lads, and ladies I suppose there’s probably three women watching, I feel pretty good about Christmas. I don’t know about you, I’m well up for it:

 

“How’s the shutdown Covid situation been in Vietnam?”

 

Not too bad. But the problem has been that I can’t travel. I can’t go home. I’m supposed to have Christmas with my family. Can’t go. As I said, earlier in the stream someone in my family had cancer, couldn’t see them. Couldn’t help take care of them. That was very, very difficult this year for me. And I don’t want to get all emotional, or something. But I got emotional off off, in real life, I’ll tell you that:

 

“When will the Three Stooges return?”

 

Well, we did an episode a few days ago, no, about two weeks ago. And we’re going to do one, I think, maybe this week. So the Three Stooges are still around guys. Don’t worry about it. We’re still there.

 

I’m just making sure that I’m still streaming on this thing. Goodness me! Poor Woes! I messaged him. Let’s see if he messaged back. See what’s going on:

 

“Reconnecting.”

 

He says. Okay. I’ll shoot the shit with you guys a bit more. Post anything in chat that you want me to talk about, and I will talk about it, as he comes back:

 

“Any thoughts on the rise of Dlive nationalism?”

 

Says Pragmatic Patriot. I don’t know when I get an “any thoughts” question, I’m always like:

 

“What are you referring to specifically?”

 

I mean, I know you said:

 

“The rise of nationalism on Dlive.”

 

Woes: Good! I am back!

 

Hugh (OTO): Oh! Hey! Hey! Hello!

 

Woes: This is, I should have said this at the start, my internet has been a bit wonky over the last few months. And I thought it would be just like it was actually happening this time last year as well and I was dreading that it was going to happen during Millennial. But somehow miraculously it didn’t.

 

And so I was thinking this time it’s just like the fucking thing, it’s going to happen! And it’s happened on the very first stream! So sorry everyone! Actually, literally nothing that I could have done about this. I actually reset the modern just before we went online in order to try and avoid this. But there we go. It’s happened. My apologies.

 

So Hugh. What have you been talking, and thank you for covering in my absence.

 

[09:05]

 

Hugh (OTO): I did my best! I honestly I felt rather anxious during that last period, as well lola. Like:

 

“Oh my god! It’s Millennial!”

 

It’s not just some regular stream where you just shoot the shit and, you know, chat the chat.

 

Woes: That’s why Schwab came in got me, while I was yeah trying to spread the word.

 

Hugh (OTO): I gave my thoughts on the year and just like, you know how these people have been treating us. What do you think about the year? It’s been worse for you, right? You’re in London, you’re in lockdown central.

 

Woes: Yeah, well I mean, yeah, weirdly London actually hasn’t been that bad. I think when I visited Scotland a few weeks ago and it’s definitely more of a, … See, I once heard the phrase “the moral rectitude of the Scots”. And I didn’t really recognize it at the time as a thing. I didn’t really know what the person was referring to. But I think it was in a written article. But now I do.

 

And one example of it is this! The English are more laissez-faire about, you know, Covid restrictions, you know. That yes there is a community spirit. Yes there’s a desire to do the Right thing, and all that. But with the Scots it’s a wee bit more deep seated I think. And it’s not a bad thing in itself. But it’s obviously manifests in different ways.

 

And I think that with the, like with the smoking ban back in 2006, they were first to do that, and that’s for a reason. And I think it’s the same now with Covid. I’ve only been asked once about wearing a mask. And it happened when I stepped off the train at Edinburgh. And by two police officers who were standing there. So that seems kind of significant. But anyway. So we’re talking about.

 

Hugh (OTO): The mask. The mask to me seems to be, and many of these things are just memetic warfare, it’s all a psyop! It’s like the constant reminder of the threat of the danger!

 

Woes: It’s a constant reminder of your own obedience as well, though!

 

Hugh (OTO): Right. It’s the first step of putting you in a submissive frame of mind. And so you’ve got, well the masks work apparently, you know, masks work they tell. You can look at graphs where.

 

Woes: Well, hold on! Hold on! Hold on a second! I don’t know if it’s against the YouTube rules. I think, this is to say, that the masks, to cast doubt on their efficacy might well, you know, piss them off in Silicon Valley!

 

Hugh (OTO): Yeah. So let’s just assume that the masks are tremendously effective!

 

Hugh (OTO): The masks tremendously work! But then I wonder if they tremendously work, why the social distancing? And if the social distancing works then why the lockdown? You know, I’m just wondering about the rationale of our betters here! I know that experts are running the show, and I should just follow what they say, and take everything as gospel.

 

But occasionally I like things explained to me so that it seems reasonable! [chuckling] I like it when the proposals appear rational, you know, that’s what I like! And I can’t seem to see this. I’ve heard that droplets can pass through the mask, of course, even a fool would know that a mask will stop blobs of mucus flying out, when someone sneezes so there’s that. The sneeze prevention is very important for saving lives. [laughing]

 

But it does seem to me, and I’m no expert here guys, but it doesn’t really seem to make sense! And I wish, I would just wish Bill Gates were here right now. You can clear it all up and tell me:

 

“Don’t worry! Stay in your house for the next three years! And then everything will be okay!”

 

Even after you’ve taken the vaccine! Stay home!

 

Woes: I’ve got to say one of the scariest memes, and I’ve collected a lot of memes about Covid over this year, and the one of the scariest ones was I think it actually might be a real graffiti mural somewhere. And it’s Bill Gates with a syringe. And he’s smiling and it says:

 

“Time to install your update.”

 

Aahhhhh! That is just so unnerving! So frightening! Because that’s the thing, for a lot of us — you’re similar age to me — we remember Bill Gates as this fucking hopeless geek in the 90s! Just a dork! A complete dork!

 

[13:13]

 

Hugh (OTO): Yeah! [chuckling]

 

Woes: And now he’s there’s something from “They Live”, you know, this scary, globalist, titan who’s in league with all sorts of powerful people. And he might be a puppet of them, he might be a collaborator with, whatever.

 

But either way he’s operating in these leagues where they’re literally, they’re making huge decisions that affect not just countries, but that really the whole world!

 

I mean, somebody pointed out to me the other day I mean, even Iran is on this. Yeah, I mean, everywhere! I think the only two exceptions that I know of are Belarus and Sweden, which are continually.

 

Hugh (OTO): Yeah, it’s amazing, Sweden isn’t. Yeah, it’s like, why are they resistant to this? And their results seem to be much the same as other European nations, maybe a little bit better. They seem to have a lot allowed the virus to get into old people’s homes, which obviously cause some deaths. Like old people are susceptible to this disease and it is fatal for many of them.

 

But look, I mean, Chris Christie, that fat fuck survived it! Look at the guy! He lives off cheeseburgers and full sugar cake. That’s what he does. The guy the guy is, you know what I’m talking about, right? Chris Christie.

 

Woes: I don’t. I’ve just got a mental image.

 

Hugh (OTO): An obese Republican, very unintelligent, inarticulate, man who bumbles and baffles around, you know, and bounces off pillars in Washington. He looks like an absolutely, like if you imagined an unhealthy bloke in your mind this guy would fit that image pretty. Well, that’s the point in itself for god’s sake!

 

Woes: That’s an interesting point in itself. You just said he’s baffling and bumbling around. This is an interesting thing about Covid and the lockdown, is that it really reveals that it’s the same with all politicians.

 

Boris and his fucking health secretary Matt Hancock, Dominic Cummings the advisor to whatever he was. All of these people now seem completely out of their depth. It’s obvious that they’re just doing what they’ve been told to do. It’s revealed all of these national politicians as inept. And I think that is an interesting thing in itself. I mean, Brexit, it was similar in a sense. But this is obviously a global thing and yeah.

 

Hugh (OTO): What is Matt Hancock, right? Like crying, crying, about the vaccine being rolled out. And it was still I don’t understand this new trend. It’s very 2020. Men crying on the news. It’s happened a lot this year, and just fake crying in general, a lot of people.

 

[16:01]

 

Woes: You and I are going to cry on this dream!

 

Hugh (OTO): The racial injustice is just too much, you know? [Hugh mimicking a cry baby] it’s the inequality! What are you doing? Who. You think you’re winning? Any points here? Who are you appealing to? The middle-aged single cat lady, you know, who’s like:

 

“Oh! He’s very nice I’d like to take care of it.”

 

What exactly is this demo you’re focusing on here, you know? Who’s the target? What’s the target segment? I don’t understand it! I don’t get where this is, … It looks to me like the cringiest thing you could possibly do, is fake cry! No! You know, I’ve never done it in my life. I’ve never faked cried!

 

Woes: When Matt Hancock did that, it was like he did it for a second and then thought:

 

“Oh no one will buy this!”

 

So he stopped. But then they went with it. They ran with that:

 

“Oh, you’re really emotional are you?”

 

And then he had to go along.

 

Woes: Would have been ashamed lola!

 

Woes: But the thing is, all of this is just to support what seems to be a farce! I mean, you know, there is a massively high survival rate from this virus. And there’s so much that could be said about it. Again, I don’t know, I’ll have to brush up on the rules before we do any more streams. But I should have done that before hand. But I’ve just been hearing from other people what the situation is on YouTube nowadays.

 

It’s obvious that like with the election you can say one thing, and you can say the other thing. But you can’t say the two things in one video. This is the kind of thing that you’ve got to keep track of.

 

I can remember in 2014-15 it was just you could say whatever the fuck you like! And I don’t want to go into a big nostalgia, because everyone knows this. But it’s fucking depressing! It’s really sad! This is why I want people to transfer to Dlive and BitChute when it eventually does live streaming. Which I think is probably going to be within the next year, or next six months.

 

Because we desperately do need to get away from YouTube. Now it’s possible, this is another topic altogether. Well I was going to say it’s possible if the Democrats get in, then they’ll actually lay off all of this heavy-handed censorship. But, of course, that depends on the outcome of the election.

 

So do we want to go into the topic of the US election?

 

Hugh (OTO): Well I have kind of given up on following the ins and outs and every lawsuit and stuff. I just can’t keep up with that. So I don’t. But if the Democrats win I can say that they will, the hammer will come down on us. My main fear is this, that if they come in, the First Amendment’s toast!

 

[19:03]

 

They’ll find exemptions to it, they’ll pack the courts, they’ll pack the Supreme Court. They already have been filling the judiciary with activist judges who don’t give a shit about the law! Even with a cucked conservative he’ll actually follow the letter of the law.

 

And the letter of the law ain’t that bad! It’s not awful! You know, a lot of consideration has gone into it. New precedents are hard to make it. Judges are very scared to create and, or not scared, but that’s a huge deal to change the law with a new, you know, when they’re in that situation, so it evolves incredibly slowly. So it evolves far slower than the rate of social change that’s taken place over the last 10, 20, 30 years. Way more based than, you know what’s going on. What were going to say? Go on.

 

Woes: Well, I was going to say that you’re absolutely right! That law changes more slowly than social change. But that is why a lot of the control and maintaining of social mores has now been transferred from law and the government to private corporations, because they can do whatever they like. They can implement a policy so quickly that we don’t even know what the situation is.

 

Hugh (OTO): Yeah.

 

Woes: A situation where you don’t even know what the rules are.

 

Hugh (OTO): Yeah, well I mean, you know, I think it’s called a common law system, right? I remember studying this at university. But so there’s civil law and there’s common law system. But in France it’s all legislation. It’s just like they just pass the law. They just, you know, they just make up the law as they, and it’s done by politicians.

 

But in America it’s done by judges. So its way slower. But if you pack the Supreme Court with activist judges who are Leftists, they will find ways to “reinterpret” the constitution to make it like, well I mean, you got “free speech” but you don’t actually have the Right to!

 

They’ll basically find a way to enact hate speech laws and to lock people up. I mean, they’ve already had this a lot of talk about red flags for gun owners, right? If you:

 

“Oh well he visited this forum, he displayed signs of being maybe schizophrenic. He shouldn’t be allowed to go on.”

 

Or all this kind of stuff. And it seems very reasonable on the surface to say:

 

“Well, of course, the schizophrenic shouldn’t be allowed a gun.”

 

I mean, they have a high propensity for suicide, and for murdering people, you know, they have episodes, of course, they shouldn’t. And people will go along with this. The housewives vote! [chuckling] And this is a big problem. So they’ll go along with it. They’ll say we’re keeping the kids safe! Think of the mentally deranged child at school who’s going to get a gun! We’ve got to they’re going to have these red flag laws!”

 

So this is step one. And step two is okay now you can’t actually say all of this stuff! And if you do say this stuff you lose these rights! And you start implementing gradually a Social Credit system like they have in China.

 

Woes: Well yes. And then I guess that gets us to the well the question if the Chicoms. And I used to be quite skeptical of this and now I’m think I’m reappraising it and thinking is there actually some truth to this now. What do you think about that?

 

Hugh (OTO): By Chicoms, you mean like by like Chinese infiltration?

 

Woes: . I mean, the damn Chinese communists are taking over the West, via Silicon Valley!

 

[22:55]

 

Hugh (OTO): Well, I don’t know. But yeah, I don’t know about that specifically. But I live in southeast Asia so I can tell you about China. I mean, incredibly aggressive country! Colonialist to the core! Ethnocracy! If you’re not Mandarin speaking Han Chinese, you don’t have a lot of rights in that country.

 

You don’t have a lot of opportunity to elevate your status, to go up in society. Unless you are some sort of equivalent of a shabbos goy for them. And you’ve got to go along with it with everything these people want.

 

They just don’t care! I mean, the extent to which they don’t care what you think of them! Not giving a fuck “defined”! Chinese-owned firms produced baby milk that was poisonous to babies, and killed babies in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, the Philippines, a bunch of other countries. Right? It’s that powdered milk stuff. They were faking it! They’re making fake baby milk.

 

And it was a Chinese-owned company. No repercussions! All these babies died! No apology. Nothing! There was a storm I think in Indonesia. I can’t remember. It’s Indonesia. This is about four, or five years ago. So I can’t remember exactly. China said:

 

“Oh! We’ll do food aid. We’ll come in with food aid.”

 

And what they really did was bought off a bunch of local politicians during this. But the actual food they gave, they gave people fake rice! So it’s like 30 percent rice, and the rest is plastic. They make Chinese-owned firms, right? Like the government owned firms, because loads of stuff is government owned there, right?

 

Like it’s not really communist anymore. It is free market. There are free markets. You can own a house. You can own a car. You can set up a company. Loads of people own their own businesses there. But, Chinese-owned, government-owned, firms are making fake eggs! That’s the extent.

 

Have you frozen again Woes? You look like you’re frozen.

 

Oh my god! I’m alone again! He’s frozen hasn’t he lads? Tell me in the chat has he frozen, or is it just me? I’ve got to go down. Fake rice. Yes, fake rice, fake eggs. Yes, sounds like fascism! Yeah, you know, okay I’ll keep chatting, because you know why not? Woes isn’t there.

 

A lot of people are like, China’s based! Right? Like, you know, in our neck of the woods, they’re like China’s based! Like they’re oppressing the Uyghurs! They’re setting up camps! Like they’re taking care of business! They’re expanding their territory. Who doesn’t want to be like the Chinese? And I do understand exactly where people are coming from with that narrative. Like why wouldn’t you just have, they express the will to power? They’re just going for it. And no, no, like moralizing can stop them! So I do get:

 

“Hugh, what have you done?”

 

I didn’t do anything, all, right? It’s not my fault! It’s not my fault.

 

[26:00]

 

Anyway I understand why people think like China’s pretty based. I get it! But if you’re not Chinese like this is a problem for you, right? Like if you’re not one of them it ain’t good. Like if you’re Chinese I get why you would support the government.

 

But if you’re not and people seem to think like we’re so far removed from China. Like, it’s not going to be an issue. But we see right now a trade war between Australia and China taking place. And these kind of things can escalate. They have a tendency to, … I’m not saying World War III is imminent. But the Chinese killed Woes! They didn’t! That’s a false narrative [chuckling].

 

What I’m saying is who are we gonna side with? Australia, or China, or with New Zealand, or China? We know how these things will play out like if it escalates.

 

Give me something to talk about lads. I’m not good on my own. I don’t stream on my channel. I’m not Dangerfield, you know, I don’t stream on my own.:

 

“Hugh killed Woes!”

 

I swear, grossly offensive, that’s not true!:

 

“Dlive is owned by a Chinese national.”

 

Is it? Very interesting. But I don’t think they have anything to do with Woes’s modem going down.:

 

“How is OTO based?”

 

I don’t know, maybe I’m not! Maybe I’m a lose bag!:

 

“Talk about gutter oil.”

 

Thanks for the suggestion [laughing] all right.:

 

“Mandarin, Han Chinese, not just Chinese.”

 

Yes that is an important distinction, you know. Within the country itself it is an ethnocracy, right. Depending on how you break it down in China, I believe that certain academics will break it down to being 556, I think, ethnic groups! Distinct ethnic groups!

 

There are different ways you can measure this. Like, you can look at intermarriage between different peoples. You can look at genetic, or racial differences. A lot of people think that China is just this big blob, and everyone’s the same. You know, obviously the [word unclear] aren’t the same.

 

The Uyghurs are a Turkic ethnic group. They don’t look anything like the Han Chinese. Right now they’re taking Uyghur men, right, accusing them of terrorism, putting them in camps. And then they move Han Chinese dudes into their wives homes! And basically like it’s state mandated rape, to get rid of this population. They also force the Uyghur women, they’ll like accuse them:

 

“Oh, you were teaching a lesson in Arabic! That goes against our motto!”

 

They’ve got some motto, which is like:

 

“One people, one mind, one country!”

 

Something like that. Where, you know, every everyone’s got to be a fucking robot, you know! And they’ll, … Oh! Is Woes back? I can hear him now.

 

[29:00]

 

Woes: I’m back! I’m back.

 

Hugh (OTO): I talked about China while you know, ..

 

Woes: You didn’t say anything racist about China did you?

 

Hugh (OTO): Hell no! I love those little guys! [chuckling] They’re great! I will say this, I’ve met many Chinese people who are lovely. So I do want to distinguish between, ..

 

Woes: What the fuck have you said!

 

Hugh (OTO): Yeah, I was really, I was really racist! So I really went off. [chuckling] But I want to distinguish between the political systems that are going on in the country. The political setup, and the way the government operates, and the incentives that are provided by the government to the people. Which I think are destroying the people, just as much as destroying outsiders. And the people themselves who are pretty cool.

 

Like if you meet a Chinese person you have a chat with them they’re always nice. That’s my experience with them anyway. A little dodgy with business dealings. A little funny in contract readings. Gotta be very careful with your language and a contract when you’re writing one with the Chinese guy. He’ll always look to make a buck! That is just true!

 

But other than that pretty cool people. So anyway what is going on with you. Like your modern keeps fucking up?

 

Woes: Yes it does indeed. And it’s rather frustrating. But I don’t know. It doesn’t usually happen twice in one night. This is very unusual.

 

Hugh (OTO): When I saw you and I saw your computer set up, I was like:

 

“Jesus Christ! You have like a million things open! You’ve got like all these external hard drives.”

 

I don’t know how you keep track of it. I mean, I’ve got a laptop, you know. Like I have a few windows open.

 

Woes: I can’t remember when you came over. Did I have my big computer, or was I still using the laptop? Because that’s a while ago.

 

Hugh (OTO): Big computer I think.

 

Woes: The big computer, right okay. Yeah, well yeah, no I’m still on the big computer. Yeah it’s, but that’s not the issue it’s the modern. But I don’t want to bore people with technical stuff.

 

So yeah, the question I want to ask you at the start. You said that this has been the manifesting, or the birthing, of the neoliberalist dream. So why don’t you say what is, … And this is what I wanted to ask you at the time. What is the neoliberalist dream?

 

Hugh (OTO): Well. I think they love a certain type of free market. They like a specific sort of freedom. Which is everybody’s got to be of the same mind. But the trade is pretty much unlimited.

 

It’s like Thatcher didn’t like unions, but she loved free markets. Well isn’t a union part of the free market? What’s wrong with the union? Isn’t that just people organically collectivising for their own self-interest? And I’m not a particular fan of unions, you know, I’m not saying, but it there’s a contradiction there. If you say I’m really pro-liberty. And that’s what I’m about. But I’m gonna dismantle the unions. I’m gonna do it legally. I’m gonna rip them apart!

 

And actually of course, you know, in her dismantling of the union she ushered in the Blairites, so it didn’t really work. She got in technocrats. But I think now the neoliberal thing is its just an absolute reliance on a certain narrative.

 

I mean, they claim to be empiricists, right? And they think that everything they believe in has been justified through experiment. They’ve tested the hypotheses! They’ve done the experiments! It’s proven! This is the way it is! And they’ve kind of worked it all out. So now they have this broadly materialist worldview. I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily, what do they call it? Physicalists, right? They’re not necessarily that. Some of them still believe in god, the occasional one. But they’re kind of, their ideal man is Stephen Fry, I think. And it’s:

 

“I want to know what’s actually true. So I’m an empiricist! I’m an empiricist!”

 

And that’s like what they want everyone to be. They want everyone to be like Stephen Fry. [laughing] And this is the “new empire” that they’re looking to build, based on free movement of Labour, low wages, obviously is part of it. And yeah, they absolutely do! Have you read Harare? Have you read, what’s he called Yuval Noah Harari. He wrote a book “Sapiens”.

 

[33:45]

 

Woes: No.

 

Hugh (OTO): And Barack Obama recommended the book. Mark Zuckerberg recommended this book. They’ve got blurbs on the back like:

 

“Recommended by Barack Obama and Mark Zuckerberg.”

 

And it’s like a history of humanity. It starts like a hundred thousand years ago. And it talks about all sorts of things which are highly, you know, it’s a very egalitarian book. So it completely denies basic things like the MRI tests that were done in Australia, between Europeans and aboriginals and stuff. Just don’t feature. He says:

 

“The brain evolution ended 45,000 years ago, or 50,000 years ago.”

 

I believe. So that’s before the aboriginals left Africa, right? And it’s like:

 

“Well, wouldn’t they have identical brains now?”

 

You know, there’s many, many problems with it. But he has a whole unit in his book justifying Empire. And the idea is you can just reshape people’s identities, and reshape their cultures, to mold them into a broader thing. And that means you get more trade!

 

And you get, you know. I mean, the British empire for all it’s faults, did usher in like 100 years of peace. And we controlled the seas and trade flourished. And people were using either the same money, or things that were, you know, valued in the same way. So everybody knew what they were doing when they interact:

 

“Okay, well I’ve got this. We know what that’s worth in your money.”

 

And it could work, right. So you could just meet someone, have hardly any language and go! And people were already, … English was becoming the lingua franca of the world. And this is the globalist, neoliberal, dream. Is to make that truly global! Not so much I think through force, but through like technocratic mechanisms, social engineering, nudge, nudge not force! Use the corporations as you were talking about, and make it happen.

 

And this is what they see as true prosperity. They see it as liberatory. They don’t see it as destructive. They see it as setting people free from their identities. Setting people free from markets that they’re within. They see the setting people free from sort of the cages of nationalism. And when you say:

 

“Well this will homogenize the world. And this will destroy true diversity.”

 

I don’t think they care. I think that they think:

 

“Oh jolly good!”

 

[36:01]

 

Because there’s a point, you know, there’s a convergence, the end of, the sort of the real end of history, where we’ve all worked out what works. And they think they’ve worked it out so it’s ultimately sort of a cultural eugenicist and an economic eugenicist project to meet that final point. And a virus like this [Covid] is just the ultimate gift in achieving that dream.

 

Woes: Why? I mean, I don’t know [word unclear] I just want to hear it in your own voice, you know.

 

Hugh (OTO): Well! What do you think? I just rambled on for like five minutes. What do you think?

 

Woes: Well you see, I’m not used to, I’m, … And this is something I want to get back into, is the sort of art of collecting your thoughts together, and articulating them, you know? But right now, I’m not really in that mode! And so I just want to hear what other people think, because yes, it seems like the Right thing to do on Millennial.

 

But in terms of, … I’ll give it a go. You see, it is a very different world view. And it’s one that’s fairly forthright, assertive, sure of itself! Whereas ours is much more hesitant, I mean, because we don’t have all the money behind us, the institutions, the corporations, and so on. But I also think there’s a certain doubt in our minds that well, if people wanted to live. And I’m not trying to plant doubts, or anything. I’m just saying the way I feel about it.

 

If people wanted to live like, you know, villagers 500 years ago where everything that you use is made within a mile radius of where you live, then they would. But frankly no one does that. So that implies to me that either they don’t want it, or they can’t be bothered being, they don’t want to be the first one. They want someone else to do it first. They want someone else to set up that settlement and then maybe they’ll join, you know.

 

But no one’s doing it. And so that means that we begin our argument, our defense, our attack on globalism from a position of weakness, because we don’t actually know how workable is this. And how pleasant would it actually be as a life. I mean, people say it will be more meaningful. Yeah it would be, but that’s true.

 

But as I say no one’s doing it. It’s like we’ve got a similar kind of dilemma to the one that the libertarians, or the anarchists, had. They advocate this type of society, but no one’s ever done it. And so I think in the same way we, if we’re going to fight against globalism, then we have to do it in a way that’s meaningful, and palatable, but also feasible! So what are our real objections to globalism? What are the fundamental things that we just that we object to about it? And I think it is that this dissolution of everything! This dissolution of nations, people’s, histories, but even, ..

 

[39:08]

 

Hugh (OTO): Tradition.

 

Woes: Tradition, but even sexes, men and women. It’s I mean, yes, there’s fun to be had in the world! There’s fun to be had with all the possibilities of existence. That’s true! But also if you’ve got nothing but possibility, then you’ve got really not much. Because there’s nothing meaningful. It’s just endless sensations, and endless novelty. And I think that, ..

 

Hugh (OTO): A spiritual death! I mean, that’s the problem with modernity that I think we all feel! Is it’s a spiritual problem and the betters want to solve that with, in empiricism. They want to solve it scientifically, or they want to solve it politically. And that’s not the Right framework. If you ask like Richard Dawkins:

 

“What’s the meaning of life?”

 

He’ll like, you know, smugly laugh you off, like:

 

“Oh well, science can’t answer that!”

 

And it’s like, well aren’t we facing a spiritual crisis? Isn’t that what’s going on here? Why do people feel so empty? Why are suicide rates up? You know, that’s what’s going on right. That’s the void. And they admit that it’s there, that within their epistemological framework that they’ve chosen, that they’ve adopted. They don’t have any, they can’t even use it to address that question! To say:

 

“Well, what’s the purpose here? What am I doing here? Why is there something, rather than nothing?”

 

They’ll just go:

 

“Well, you know, that’s not science! That’s not science!”

 

You know, [laughing] they’ll say that! And you go:

 

“Well it looks like your fucking entire outlook is kind of lacking something, don’t you think?”

 

And they don’t see it! They just don’t see it! It’s the arc of progress they believe to drop all of that! To drop the spiritualism, and the beliefs, and the faith. And even things like a priori reasoning, they don’t like it! They think that:

 

“No! No! This is the way! This is the framework we’ve got it! We’ve worked it out!”

 

I think that when you asked me “why?”, it is partly ideological commitment to this project. A belief that if you look throughout history it seems as if peoples have gotten broader, right? It used to be separate tribes in England, and now it’s England. And then it became the UK.

 

And there were different European countries, now it’s the European Union. I mean, there are still the different countries there, but, you know what I mean.

 

And you see that throughout history, like smaller groups becoming together. And then they meld and they become a new identity, and they become a new people, genetically as well. They all race mix. And then they’re one. And they just feel like that is how it goes!

 

And to try and resist it, to try and preserve, to try and conserve, is a, you know, it’s a fool’s errand! Don’t bother! Like that’s just not how history works. It goes the other way. And they spend an incredible amount of time, and effort, and money, trying to convince other people that that is how history works. That:

 

“No unique identity can ever really be preserved. And it’s kind of worthless, because it’ll be gone in 100 years, anyway. So why bother!”