Graham Connolly: It’s easy, though, when it was you, because I know you.

 

Talk Tim. [mic check]

 

Tim Lutze: Check, check.

 

Graham Connolly: Do it again.

 

Tim Lutze: Check, check.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Yep. Perfect.

 

All right, we’re back for part two of the Offaly Offensive with Tim Lutz. We finished up, …

 

Tim Lutze: No, thanks for having me in your mum’s basement here. Yeah, it’s a pleasure.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s all right. [chuckling] We finished up talking about when you were doxed. That’s where we got to. And you were just getting to kind of how you let everything settle. You didn’t deal with it all straight away. You wanted to sort of give it space to breathe.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And then let’s talk about how you sort of came out again when you tried to deal with it then.

 

Tim Lutze: So we let some time pass and then we took it to VCAT*, which is sort of like a tribunal, like a legal tribunal, sort of avenue for businesses and stuff of that nature to take. And VCAT said to us that we had to basically settle it with Boxing Australia.

 

[* The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal was formed by the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 1998 in the state of Victoria, Australia. As part of the Victorian Justice system the tribunal sits ‘below’ the Magistrates Court in the court hierarchy. However the tribunal itself is not a court, not possessing any jurisdiction or powers beyond those conferred by statute. VCAT is less formal than a court and helps resolve disputes through mediations, compulsory conferences and formal hearings. Wikipedia]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, they suggested it.

 

Tim Lutze: They suggested it.

 

Graham Connolly: If I think I remember that they were like:

 

“You can do this, but we would suggest or advise that you would try to sort it out between yourselves first.”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So we did go to sit down with the committee of Boxing Australia and put our case forward.

 

Graham Connolly: Boxing Australia or Boxing Victoria?

 

Tim Lutze: No, Boxing Australia. Boxing Victoria was there. David Pike was the president of Boxing Australia. He was there, not in person, but through video link.

 

And yeah, we just put our case forwards that we live in a liberal democracy and we’re entitled to our political opinions and that basically it has nothing to do with them. And their attitude was that because I’m registered with Boxing Victoria and I’m licenced by them, that I represent them and that they can’t be seen represented by someone with my opinions.

 

Graham Connolly: So you can only be a liberal, or a conservative, or a Labor voter, or you can be, … That’s all you can be. Yeah, you can be a communist!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So the only thing you can’t be is a National Socialist. A socialist for your own people.

 

Tim Lutze: And they said that:

 

“They can’t associate with people with these views.”

 

And I said, …

 

Graham Connolly: They can associate with bikies now, can’t they?

 

Tim Lutze: Well, that was my, …

 

Graham Connolly: Organised crime?

 

Tim Lutze: I basically said to them that at the fights they literally parade and announce when key organised criminals are attending. They’ll stand up and they’ll announce, …

 

Graham Connolly: Like celebrities.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, they’ll thank you know, one of these trade unions is their main sponsor and they have been caught doing all sorts of illegal activities. There are gyms that associated with organised criminals. There are gyms that are associated with outlaw motorcycle clubs. And some of these organisations and some of these clubs and stuff, they have been convicted of trafficking drugs or women or whatever. But they draw the line at racism!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. To draw the line at loving your own people.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So that was my argument. And basically they just said:

 

“Yeah, that’s how it is.”

 

You know, they tried to get me to, it doesn’t even matter, but like, yeah, that was it! They just said:

 

“For your political views, we’re not going to licence you!”

 

Graham Connolly: Not only not going to licence you, but strip you, … You were already licenced.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So they stripped you of your licence.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, they wouldn’t let me register a gym or register a fighter or register myself if I wanted to fight.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, so it was that or basically they, … What if you had renounced your views and your connection to the NSN?

 

Tim Lutze: Well, I did kind of like, it was a long hearing and I did articulate myself a lot better than what I’m representing now because I’m trying to remember.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s a long time ago now.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is. This is probably two years ago. And like I said, it was a long meeting. But we did go through, they asked me also:

 

“Are you a member of this organisation?”

 

I said:

 

“Yes!”

 

And we went through what the organisation was, what it represented. I did the whole, “it’s love for my own people. It’s not about hate for others”. I laid out the worldview for them. You know, I was an open book, I didn’t lie. I didn’t say I wasn’t an associate.

 

Graham Connolly: You didn’t go down this road, start lying about it?

 

Tim Lutze: No, I didn’t. No. And they were shocked! They all sat back in their chairs, …

 

Graham Connolly: Because they expected you to, because if you lied, maybe they would have been able to go:

 

“Okay, we can, …”

 

Basically, that’s denouncing everything that you believe in.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep.

 

[05:56]

 

Graham Connolly: You would never have went down this road in the first place if you were going to turn around then and denounce it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s not your personality.

 

Tim Lutze: No, no. And, yeah, so we went through all the worldview. And then they said that:

 

“It’s a bad image for them.”

 

And I said:

 

“What about all the organised criminals and outlaw motorcycle clubs that you just associate yourselves with? You don’t seem to have a problem.”

 

Like there’s fighters that are well known for their ties to that criminal underbelly.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And:

 

“I don’t think it has anything to do with boxing personally.”

 

Graham Connolly: What was their answer to that?

 

Tim Lutze: Boxing is boxing! And it doesn’t matter if you’re the best fighter, if you want to prove you’re the best fighter, I don’t think it really matters where you come from. Get in the ring and prove it!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So that’s the whole point about it!

 

Tim Lutze: I’m not saying that they should be not allowing these people, but they, …

 

Graham Connolly: Should be allowing you, though!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: You’re not asking them to advocate for your belief system.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. What they were trying to do was come at it from a moral standpoint.

 

Graham Connolly: But they don’t have moral standpoint.

 

Tim Lutze: I was trying to point out to them:

 

“But it’s not a moral standpoint.”

 

Graham Connolly: No, it’s not.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s one of cowardice and intimidation!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! Which is the opposite of what boxing is all about.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: And so how did they respond to your sort of pointing out their hypocrisy about organised crime being involved. Just silence?

 

Tim Lutze: They asked me who I was talking about and tried to get me to name names. Probably to put myself in a very awkward position.

 

Graham Connolly: Like they don’t already know.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly! And I just said, …

 

Graham Connolly:

 

“You know exactly who I’m talking about!”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah:

 

“I don’t need to tell you who.”

 

And they said:

 

“Oh, are you talking about this person?”

 

I said:

 

“I’m not talking about anyone! You either do have them and parade them or you don’t! You don’t need to ask me who it either is or it isn’t!”

 

And they didn’t deny it!

 

Graham Connolly: No, of course they didn’t deny it.

 

But they tried to put it back on you and deflect and all that sort of thing. So they didn’t have to deal with the truth!

 

Tim Lutze: I took it as, yeah, they tried to put me in danger.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, put you in danger.

 

Tim Lutze: So that’s not who I am, though.

 

Graham Connolly: No. All right. But you still had your gym for a while after that?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, I had the gym until Australia Day 2024.

 

Graham Connolly: And actually let me go back a small bit. As part of your, I suppose, let’s call it an appeal or whatever it was, you had members of your gym write letters and stuff?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I had countless, like as many letters as I needed from former members from, …

 

Graham Connolly: Even non-Whites?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Different backgrounds.

 

Graham Connolly: To say that they felt welcome and safe and comfortable in your gym?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I had all the references and that. Like:

 

“I’ve never had a complaint made against me. Never been warned for anything. I’ve always conducted myself respectfully in the corner. I haven’t yelled at a lot of these judges or anything like that before.”

 

Graham Connolly: And a lot of these members met me and met Jimbo and met Tom, met all of us and never had any issues with any of us. There was never any conflict. There was never any fighting.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Like we had a big Christmas party, at Legacy 2022 or 3. And where some of the fighters and myself, we fought each other. And the EAM [European Australian Movement] came down and family and friends came down as a big event, and it was actually quite funny. Some former champions even an Aboriginal former champion there actually met Tom. And yeah, that was actually quite funny to see. Everyone was being respectful.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: There’s a time and place for everything. And boxing’ boxing!

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly! Sport is sport.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right. We weren’t at the fights throwing Romans and wearing black block to the fights with balaclavas.

 

Graham Connolly: Like it was a separate thing.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right! And that’s how it should.

 

Graham Connolly: Actually explain, what’s EAM?

 

Tim Lutze: EAM is a community building and a training initiative of White Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. What does it stand for?

 

Tim Lutze: European Australian Movement.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. So they advocate for and build community for European Australians.

 

[10:12]

 

Tim Lutze: Building a community. That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: For heritage Australians, I would consider it, really. White Australians.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: European Australians.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep. All sorts of communities.

 

Graham Connolly: They don’t engage in the activism, that’s NSN? European Australia Movement, …

 

Tim Lutze: There’s Crossover. Not everyone joins to be an activist.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: Most people do.

 

Graham Connolly: But EAM is focused on the community building, the barbecues.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, the barbecues.

 

Graham Connolly: The women and the children, the families.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: And boxing, the training, the running.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, and Legacy was even a step removed from that.

 

Graham Connolly: It was! Yeah, it wasn’t even that. Yeah, exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: But they made it that! Yeah, they made it a White only gym!

 

Graham Connolly: So in reality, right, if they hadn’t taken away your licence, if they hadn’t taken away your coaching licence, if they hadn’t taken away your gyms accreditation or whatever you want to call it, none of these fighters would have left your gym because they could have continued to compete. They didn’t have a problem until they couldn’t compete under you as a coach.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I don’t know, maybe some of them would have, maybe they, …

 

Graham Connolly: Maybe someone would, but they didn’t until then.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You’ll never know.

 

Graham Connolly: No, you never know. But until you lost your coaching licence, they were still there.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. They were well aware who Tom was and everything like that. Every fighter there knew! Yeah, well, you know, except for my, the friend I grew up with who was the police officer.

 

Graham Connolly: The jujitsu guy was he aware?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, he was. Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: I don’t want to give too much information.

 

Graham Connolly: Okay, yeah, fair enough.

 

So you losing your licence then had a knock on effect of these guys who were top quality boxers under you as their coach who were aspiring to be Olympians.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: National champions. This kind of quality fighter. They wanted to pursue their boxing career.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And like, very few people get engaged in politics the way we do.

 

Graham Connolly: Very few people.

 

Tim Lutze: They were there to box. And yeah, we like talking and debating and all that sort of stuff. But they were there for boxing, as most people go to a boxing gym for.

 

Graham Connolly: But the reality is, …

 

Tim Lutze: The accusation I was there with young boxers radicalising them, that’s completely untrue.

 

Graham Connolly: Completely untrue! What were you doing? You weren’t radicalising non-Whites to be White supremacists! [chuckling] You know what I mean? Not at all! So it was a separate thing.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, like it was Crossover, like everything.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Insane!

 

So where did it go from there?

 

Tim Lutze: So as the membership sort of faded out in a couple months after the dox, it was just about two years of EAM at Legacy. And Legacy had just morphed into a White power boxing gym.

 

Graham Connolly: Something it never was before.

 

Tim Lutze: No. But I was very happy for it that it did turn into that.

 

Graham Connolly: It was awesome, wasn’t it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was. Would I have liked to spend a couple more years in the boxing scene? Yeah, sure, of course.

 

Graham Connolly: You even contemplated going to league, didn’t you?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, don’t want to say too much about that. Yeah, just morphed into Legacy boxing, and there was a fundraiser started by I think Jimbo actually took the initiative to start it and raised a lot of money. We were able to keep the gym open for a couple years.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: Until they basically kicked us out of the building because of all the, …

 

Graham Connolly: That’s another thing. So they tried everything to get you kicked out of the building.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, there were protests. There were hundreds of people come down and there were horses, riot horses and police and helicopters, and we did a White powerlifting competition while there was a huge protest outside.

 

Graham Connolly: Was it a White “powerlifting” competition or was it a “White” powerlifting competition? [chuckling] That was the whole point of the flyer, wasn’t it? [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: It was! And it sounded really good in the news. A White powerlifting competition.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. White Powerlifting Competition!

 

Tim Lutze: So many good times in the gym. And there was a couple nights that all the boys stayed over there and we did a powerlifting competition there and a fight, …

 

Graham Connolly: So when we did the powerlifting competition, there was a massive Left-wing protest!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Police on the streets. Street barricaded!

 

Tim Lutze: A national event. So all the States came down and it was like a three day event.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

[15:20]

 

Tim Lutze: We did the seminar and all that. So we were there the whole weekend and taking shifts, watching the gate.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: On the Friday when we’re having, … Well, some of the States came down early. We went out for dinner. There was a little bit of vandalism that went on, but you know like, it wasn’t too bad.

 

Graham Connolly: They got your neighbour’s building, didn’t they?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And we cleaned it up, and that’s what National Socialists do!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, they threw paint bombs at the Turkish neighbours factory and, …

 

Graham Connolly: We cleaned it up.

 

Tim Lutze: We cleaned it up for him. Did some minor damage to the gate. Which we fixed. But yeah, we watched the gate for the rest of the weekend for that. And it was just funny.

 

Graham Connolly: We had helicopters over, …

 

Tim Lutze: Helicopters, news helicopters, police helicopters!

 

Graham Connolly: While we were cooking a barbecue!

 

Tim Lutze: You know, they designated the that part of Sunshine*. Which “designated” means, it’s basically what they do when there’s a huge event or they think there’s going to be a lot of trouble. They’ll designate an area which basically means they can search anyone they want, they can remove masks, they can move people on from the designated area, which we were worried about them doing that to friendlies.

 

But no, it was awesome! They blocked off both streets to Legacy. Our buses were allowed in and out to go pick up supporters and that.

 

[* Sunshine is a suburb in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 12 km (7.5 mi) west of Melbourne’s Central Business District, located within the City of Brimbank local government area. Sunshine recorded a population of 9, 445 at the 2021 census. Sunshine, initially a town just outside Melbourne, is today a residential suburb with a mix of period and post-War homes, with a town centre that is an important retail centre in Melbourne’s west. It is also one of Melbourne’s principal places of employment outside the CBD with many industrial companies situated in the area, and is an important public transport hub with both V/Line and Metro services at Sunshine railway station and its adjacent major bus interchange.]

 

Graham Connolly: And these same people, they tried to contact council to get you kicked out?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, there was a lot of council meetings. There was a lot of harassment.

 

Graham Connolly: Council admitted that, …

 

Tim Lutze: Multiple fire ispections to get the fire hydrants checked, there was multiple building inspections, …

 

Graham Connolly: But everything was above board.

 

Tim Lutze: Had to fix this light globe in the exit sign. Everything they could! And my business partner just made sure that all the T’s were across and the I’s were dotted and there was just nothing they could do until our lease ran out. You know, when our lease ran out, the real estate had just had enough and didn’t want to renew the lease.

 

Graham Connolly: But didn’t you have like, in your lease, some sort of a contract that basically allowed you to renew your lease, like on an ongoing basis?

 

Tim Lutze: That was the argument. But I’m pretty sure at the end of the day, if they don’t, there’s, …

 

Graham Connolly: Nothing you can do about it.

 

Tim Lutze: If they don’t want to renew your lease, they don’t have to. Yeah, there probably is something like you get first preference or whatever.

 

Graham Connolly: When they failed at council, they went to the real estate agent.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Or the owner or the landlord or whatever you want to call it, and put pressure on him and eventually they succeeded, I guess.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Well, it just means that we just need to pull resources and get our own gyms.

 

Graham Connolly: We need to buy our own!

 

Tim Lutze: Our own buildings that we can’t be kicked out of graham Connolly: Or we need people that can’t be pressured. We need landlords that can’t be pressured.

 

Tim Lutze: You can get the permits, you can keep the gym up to compliance.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And there’s always they can do about it. There’s nothing, absolutely nothing! If you own it, there’s nothing you can do about it. I own my house, you know like if you own it, there’s absolutely nothing they can do.

 

Graham Connolly: There’s nothing to do about it. There was one time when we did a bait and switch in your gym and we baited the Left into protesting at your gym while we had two people there cooking a barbecue, and we went into the city. Do you remember? Because I can’t remember. What do you remember what our banner was for that one or what which protest that was?

 

Tim Lutze: Voice equals anti-White.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, that was the banner. Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So what The Voice was, it was a Aboriginal Voice to Parliament so that basically they have their own racial voice in Parliament. They’d be the only people to have that, or since the destruction of the White Australia Policy.

 

But yeah, they wanted their own ethnic voice to Parliament and the traitors in the government wanted to do that. But in order to do that, to put it to a vote.

 

But before the rally was organised, the Left had organised a “drive Nazis out of Sunshine”, a rally against Legacy. And they were going to do another protest there. And so we left a few guys there for security and we secretly went into the city for the NO rally.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And basically all the communists and the Left where all motivated to go down to Legacy and Sunshine where there were like horses and police. Another thing was there was barely any police in the city.

 

But yeah, so we went and infiltrated the NO rally. Which was all about the NO rally was centreed around:

 

“We’re not racist. We just don’t think that any race should have a voice. And we’re pro-multicultural!”

 

And all that. And we turned up out in plain clothes. Halfway through the rally we switched, we switched into the black. We pulled out the banner and we just said:

 

“Voice equals anti-White. That’s why you should vote No!”

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: I was pepper sprayed off the steps. It was that nice photo of me getting pepper sprayed.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Iconic I would call it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Pepper spray doesn’t really affect me. It’s actually quite soothing!

 

[20:45]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, you blocked it like a boxer.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, head movement.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, head movement that went from the pepper spray!

 

Tim Lutze: So we just made a racial issue, which is what it was.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! Yeah, it was.

 

Tim Lutze: And then I’ve just been helping Tom and Jacob achieve each goal as they want to achieve it, and doing whatever I can.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: To help them.

 

Graham Connolly: And being constantly punished along the way!

 

Tim Lutze: A couple months after, bank account shut, having the gym vandalised and having my cars vandalised and my home firebombed.

 

Graham Connolly: You had your home firebombed?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. It’s very rare to experience what I’ve experienced. You know, I don’t want to scare people off, …

 

Graham Connolly: But nobody else has! Nobody else has got what you’ve got. And I think it is because of your community profile, like being a boxing coach. Having your own gym, having your own brand.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. The gym was public knowledge of the address and stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: They targeted your missus. They put posters up. These people are scumbags! The put posters of your missus up!

 

Tim Lutze: They found out where my kids do sports and got them kicked out of their sports. This stuff doesn’t really happen as much anymore.

 

Graham Connolly: No. Because they didn’t break you! They expect to break people with this stuff.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: They didn’t break you. They didn’t break your wife. Didn’t break your children.

 

Tim Lutze: So the car bombing motivated me more than anything. You know, if I had to say there were like, big events. There was Covid, you know, …

 

Graham Connolly: Give a brief overview of how the police handled the car bombing.

 

Tim Lutze: So the big things were Covid where you can see the government corruption and the lies!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Straight through them! And the next big thing was the car bombing. And Blair Cottrell really took the words out of my mouth in a video or when he was on the Joel and Blair stream after the event, when he said that he would have thought in a country like Australia, no matter what your political views are, that if your home was a target of terrorism or firebombing, that the police would at least pretend!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, they would pretend to act and pretend to investigate.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. But did they?

 

Tim Lutze: When I was woken up by it and I went outside and my missus got on the phone to the fire department, told him the car had been firebombed or whatever. And the fire department came, and then the police came. And a couple of the firebombs bounced off my other car and had landed on my lawn. And they were still just sitting there burning. And so I said to the police:

 

“What do you want to do with these?”

 

And they just said:

 

“Just throw them in the bin. Just get rid of them!”

 

That’s what they said:

 

“Just get rid of them!”

 

Graham Connolly: They didn’t want the evidence!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And the car had been put out and the fire department were packing up. I expected, I don’t know, I just watch movies. That’s what I was going by. But I expected like, the fire department to start doing some investigating or take photos. I didn’t even talk to them. They like, packed up their stuff and they just drove off!

 

Graham Connolly: And left fire bombs on your lawn.

 

Tim Lutze: So then the these two police came over. My neighbours were all out. My neighbours like, they’re aware of me and they’re actually real supportive and they were out and ready to go straight away.

 

Graham Connolly: But they couldn’t like Boxing Victoria, they can separate, … The neighbour from the political, whatever your political personality might be or whatever your political profile might be, you’re a good neighbour.

 

Tim Lutze: Police walk over to me in uniforms. They said:

 

“What happened?”

 

And I said:

 

“I think car was firebombed.”

 

And first thing was like:

 

“Is it insured?”

 

And I said:

 

“No.”

 

They kind of sighed:

 

“Oh, fuck! So it’s like, not an insurance job?”

 

And then they got my name and everything and they said:

 

“Do I know why someone would want to do this?”

 

And I said:

 

“Well I’m a bit of a political dissident. I used to own a boxing gym and I’m known as a White nationalist and stuff.”

 

And so they’re writing it all down and they went:

 

“All right.”

 

And they went back to their car. And I just cleaned it up and trying to calm down or whatever and talking to the neighbours. And then they just sat in the car for ages. I don’t know how long it was, but like straight away, a couple of the boys rocked up and Jacob Hersant.

 

And we went inside, and then the police came back over and I think that’s when I asked him:

 

“Like, what do you want to do with all this?”

 

Like, no one touched it. And they’re just like:

 

“Get rid of it.”

 

And then they’re like:

 

“We’re gonna wait here, and then someone’s gonna come and take a statement or whatever.”

 

And then Jacob’s like:

 

“Yeah, give him a statement.”

 

And then I was like:

 

“Okay.”

 

So then another cop came and he took it. You know, I think he would have been a detective or something. I don’t know.

 

But, yeah, he took a statement. But actually the car was in my partner’s name, so they actually wanted her to get the statement. And it was basically for the purpose of if she wanted to do a “victim of crime” or whatever and get money or something, that was the purpose of it, basically. Yeah, he just said:

 

“All right, that’s it. I’ll see you later.”

 

[26:43]

 

 

So the next day, Tom was there and bunch of the community were there, because that’s what happens when you’re attacked. And then the police rang me and said:

 

“Can we come and talk to you?”

 

And Tom was there. And he said:

 

“Yeah, tell him to come.”

 

I said:

 

“Yeah, no worries.”

 

So they came, and then they rang me and said:

 

“We’re not coming inside.”

 

And I said:

 

“Why not?”

 

And they said:

 

“Oh, because we could see Thomas Sewell’s there, his cars out there, and there’s other people there.”

 

Graham Connolly: I was there as well.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah:

 

“It’s not safe for us.”

 

So I was like:

 

“Yeah.”

 

And I said:

 

“What do you mean?”

 

I said:

 

“There’s children in here.”

 

He’s like:

 

“No! We have protocols. We’re not coming in.”

 

And he goes:

 

“You need to come to the station.”

 

I said:

 

“Why? There’s too many police there.”

 

Graham Connolly: If this was any other community, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Who was getting support from their community.

 

Tim Lutze: If this was the Asian community.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And they had their neighbours over, basically. Their supportive neighbours over to support them in this time.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Would the police have not come inside?

 

Tim Lutze: Absolutely not!

 

Graham Connolly: I mean, would like for any other community they would have come inside.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that was one of the things I said when I was on the phone to them. So he said:

 

“Well, we’re not coming in.”

 

I said:

 

“Well, that’s fine.”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And basically, I didn’t hear from him for a few months. And then after maybe a year, they just said that:

 

“They’ve done their investigation. They haven’t found anything.”

 

Graham Connolly: Of course, they didn’t.

 

Tim Lutze: And I said:

 

“How are you going to find anything? You had no photos, fingerprints. Like what are you going to find?”

 

Graham Connolly: The truth is these people aren’t hard to find.

 

Tim Lutze: No. No! So we’ve done our investigations, we know what’s what. But this has been an ongoing thing and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Violence from the communists is basically State backed.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep. And I think that’s where we come to the March for Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: The March for Australia.

 

Tim Lutze: And from the start of the day to the end of the day it was just violence, violent disorder, afray.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, from the whole day.

 

Graham Connolly: The whole day! There’s a video of you guys, …

 

Tim Lutze: And none of it, … And all of it coming from the communists.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, from the Left, communists, turning up with gloves on, ready to fight.

 

Tim Lutze: Plastic padded gloves! Masks!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: We weren’t wearing masks.

 

Graham Connolly: There’s a video that is uncut from the from you guys planning how you’re gonna get into the march, into Fed Square. Right? You guys met Tom, gave a little plan:

 

“We’re going to come up here, we’re going to cross the bridge, we’re going to get into Fed Square.”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And so that video shows that you guys planned to get to Fed Square, join the march.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And then you can see in this video as you guys come up the stairs as you try to cross the bridge, these Antifa guys, communist guys, whatever you want to call them, with their gloves on, ready to fight. They thought we’re going to have a good time. They even put a post out online to say where you guys were and to:

 

“Meet us on the bridge and to go and have fun!”

 

Yeah, basically.

 

So these people wanted to stand in your path. You have every right to walk, …

 

Tim Lutze: You’ve got motive, you’ve got orders, you’ve got everything you need for violent disorder. But here’s the thing.

 

Graham Connolly: So just one more thing I want to say before you go on further. These are the same people who have been rallying with the Palestinians every week for a hundred weeks or something or every month or what was it? They’re basically been going for like 100 weeks straight now. Not one time have NSN turned up to disrupt their march. Not once!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: The first time NSN turn up to a march for the Australia March, these people turn up to disrupt, to stand in their path. Like as if they have every right to block you guys from attending a protest.

 

Tim Lutze: No, they turn up with the intention of using violence.

 

Graham Connolly: They turn up with the intention of, … Well, they want to use violence to prevent you guys crossing the bridge to join the protest!

 

[30:52]

 

 

Tim Lutze: So the March for Australia. Well, I was involved in a lot of the organising with that, with other organisers. You know, just logistically with the routes and the stage and the timings and the speakers and all this stuff. And part of the organisation was police liaison, someone that was talking in contact with the police and all that. And so the police liaison approached us where we were stepping off from. And he notified the police where we would be coming in and exactly what time. Some of our children were at the march. Some of the ladies and some of the children that were there, they arrived from that end as well, across the bridge. And they said that:

 

“Yeah, there were a lot of police on the bridge.”

 

And that sort of thing. And she said about 10 minutes before we got there and she said:

 

“There were horses and stuff blocking the other end on Swanson street from the state Library where the communists were meeting.”

 

And she said that:

 

“All the police on the bridge, about 5 minutes, 10 minutes before we got there, all came away from the bridge and onto the other side.”

 

Do that information what you will.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. So they cleared the bridge where, …

 

Tim Lutze: So that was right about when we notified the police liaison on what time we’d be coming, was about five or ten minutes before we actually emerged from the bridge.

 

Graham Connolly: So you gotta assume that these guys hoped that you guys, …

 

Tim Lutze: We notified them where and what time, …

 

Graham Connolly: You could be stopped with violence!

 

Tim Lutze: And, which is rare for our organisation. You know, to be that cooperative. But we gave them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Graham Connolly: And you’d also have to assume that the reason there’s been no charges led for anybody for that first fight on the bridge is because you guys liaised, you guys were open and honest about where you were going, your movements, and that they don’t arrest Antifa. They don’t arrest communists!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So if they were to arrest anybody for that particular fight, it would have to be the other side. So they just., … That’s been ignored now! Completely ignored!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. We met with our supporters and our members just near that bridge and we just told everyone:

 

“All right, we’re going to go in a group in a blob and we’re going to head towards the rally. We’ve got intelligence that tells us there are Antifa in the area but we will probably be fine. You know, just stick, basically, behind the guys with the black jackets.”

 

 

 

Graham Connolly: You guys put out a video a few days earlier. Sorry to cut in, but you guys put out a video a few days earlier stating a policy of, … Because you knew that you were going to face this kind of violence on that, and you put out a policy to teach your members what to do in this sort of a scenario. And because normally we try to avoid violence, we try to avoid confrontation, we try to avoid that kind of thing.

 

But in this scenario, you guys had a had a policy that if somebody gets within one meter of you double push!

 

Tim Lutze: And two weeks before we did a big national march.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, 150 people in the city.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And basically a homeless man just ran up and assaulted Tom.

 

Graham Connolly: Yes.

 

Tim Lutze: All right. And there were incidents where people were getting right up into the ranks and were spitting and swearing and stuff. And so we sort of said that now there’s a policy. There’s a one meter policy. You tell them to get back. If they get within one meter. You get space!

 

Graham Connolly: Double push!

 

Tim Lutze: You get space!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, you do not let them within one meter of you.

 

Graham Connolly: And those videos exist.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So anybody wants to see, those videos exist.

 

Tim Lutze: I don’t know if they’ll post it publicly.

 

Graham Connolly: Okay. Yeah, but maybe we should at some point post them publicly?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah that was the instructions. Don’t let people within one meter because, …

 

Graham Connolly: Well, it’s dangerous now!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is dangerous.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. One in the neck and it’s all over!

 

Tim Lutze: You see elderly people just get swung on, like just for having Australian T-shirts or whatever.

 

And so, yeah, that was the rule. That’s why at the start of the clip, you can see us saying:

 

“One meter! One meter!”

 

Graham Connolly: And it was this policy of pushing as well. To push them back! It was not to strike. It was to push back. And that’s because we’ll be arrested immediately if we engage in violence.

 

[35:23]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, if they’re in the danger zone, push them. So Tom explains this to everyone.

 

All right, we’re going in a blob. So we emerge from the bridge, they’re on the far-left side of the bridge. I’m leading them, not the march, but I’m leading the blob at this point. And I see the right footpath that we’re on the right side. It’s clear. We’ll go straight, we’ll go on the march. They’re on the Left.

 

Graham Connolly: Ignore them.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I am always more focused on us doing our thing. I don’t really care what they ever do. We always encounter you know, but, …

 

Graham Connolly: We always say we are not anti-Antifa!

 

Tim Lutze: No, exactly.

 

Graham Connolly: We don’t exist to be anti-them. They’re anti-us!

 

 

Tim Lutze: I know the Euro bros love that saying, but I don’t like that saying. So we’re on the right side of the footpath and we’re moving. And then they just beeline it for us. And they’re on the left side and they charge across the bridge as if they were running up some sort of hill or camp or whatever. And this is at the very beginning of the morning before anything violence is kicked off. And they charge across the bridge. I couldn’t see a police in sight. So I tell the lads next to me:

 

“1 meter! 1 meter! 1 meter!”

 

I’d say it a few times. And then basically as soon as they’re within one meter, their hands are up and they start swinging!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And they hit fresh air. And then they hit the pavement.

 

Graham Connolly: They didn’t have a good time!

 

Tim Lutze: No. They were like headbutting our fists and our shoes! It was really weird!

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy sort of violence from them. [chuckling] Just weird violence from Antifa.

 

Tim Lutze: Really [chuckling] weird!

 

Graham Connolly: They weren’t expecting to hurt themselves.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Yes.

 

Graham Connolly: By bouncing off the NSN!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right. So, yeah, they had a crack and, …

 

Graham Connolly: And suddenly then the police, …

 

Tim Lutze: They got up and they got back in front of us and they’re like:

 

“Oh no, maybe not!”

 

And they just walked out of the way.

 

Graham Connolly: I didn’t see that in the video. Sort of came back at that point.

 

Tim Lutze: There’s only like five too.

 

Graham Connolly: I think the police realised that the violence that the communists were not going to be able to stop you guys.

 

Tim Lutze: The cops were there and they were just like:

 

“Boy, that escalated quickly!”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. I think they hoped that you were going to get stopped by these, … They couldn’t stop you, not legally, but these communists could. If the cops were over here looking the other way, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And these communists could stop you, then so be it! They failed to stop you guys!

 

Tim Lutze: The other thing I noticed in the video was that when these people went down and they were incapacitated, they were left alone.

 

Graham Connolly: They were left alone. Yes.

 

Tim Lutze: No one was kicking their unconscious bodies on the floor. Like I doubt we should be so lucky if the roles are reversed.

 

Graham Connolly: Absolutely! They would stand on your head!

 

Tim Lutze: But did that stop them for the rest of the day? No! So what’s the reason that we don’t incapacitate them properly?

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly! Yeah. You know what the reason is because the rules are different for us than they are for them.

 

Tim Lutze: My family, they care about me. They don’t necessarily agree with everything. But they said to me:

 

“If the police won’t stop them and the courts won’t prosecute them and all this stuff like what are you going to do? How can you stop them if the police won’t do anything?”

 

And I said the only thing that keeps them in check is the level of violence that we are capable of graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Like that is why we train. That’s why we train! That’s why we do push ups. That’s why we punch each other in the park. The only thing that holds them back, not attacking us on site is the level of violence that we are capable of, …

 

Graham Connolly: The thing about it is what’s really embarrassing for them is that they can get destroyed by a bunch of guys that are holding back.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s what’s really embarrassing for them.

 

Tim Lutze: Exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: Like this isn’t Green street hooligans. This isn’t like, you guys aren’t standing on people. You’re not trying to hospitalise cunts! You were trying to get past them. You’re trying to move them aside, basically. Like the NSN used, in a funny way, the minimum amount of violence required to back them off!

 

Tim Lutze: There was probably 50 people in black and we are only enough numbers were used to, …

 

Graham Connolly: You can see in the videos most of the guys are just standing watching. They are not doing anything!

 

Tim Lutze: And that’s something that we’ve practiced to hold the ranks and stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: Discipline! Yeah.

 

[36:36]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Not so that one person’s attacked and the whole rank just falls apart.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! Yeah, it was disciplined.

 

Tim Lutze: We’re not a bunch of hooligans that go around bashing people! Like there was a lot of self control in that.

 

Graham Connolly: A lot of self control.

 

Tim Lutze: That people, like the authorities should respect.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but they don’t!

 

Tim Lutze: They don’t. But they should respect the amount of violence we are capable of, and the amount of violence we only use, …

 

Graham Connolly: The minimum amount.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: The minimum amount to be allowed to walk where you guys are entitled to walk!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Which is along the street and to join this rally that was planned, largely by NSN!

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, as soon as that happened. My daughter was in the crowd and she said as soon as people from that end of the rally seen the fight happened and seen us just walk over them like they’re nothing, the whispers went through the crowd like a wave. And they’re just like:

 

“The NSN are here! The NSN are here!”

 

And everyone just turned and we looked at them and we’re walking in and everyone’s high fiving!

 

Graham Connolly: There’s a video of that too. You guys arrive and have been high fived by all the crowd and everybody, …

 

Tim Lutze: People coming up, getting photos with Sewell!

 

Graham Connolly: And it certainly felt like a moment, a shift in, like this optics thing that the media have tried to sell that:

 

“Everybody hates us! That we are evil. That we are this, that and the other!”

 

And then that video dispels all of that.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: You guys kick your way across the bridge. Punch your way across the bridge and then get high fived by the crowd when you arrive! And the similar thing happened in Sydney without the violence, but they got cheered on arrival. Boys got cheered on arrival.

 

Tim Lutze: So, the exact thing that Tom, myself and eight other people are accused of, as it stands now, is exactly what happened at the very beginning of the day from the Left.

 

Graham Connolly: And have any of these Leftists been charged? Do we know?

 

Tim Lutze: No, they will never be charged.

 

Graham Connolly: They will never be charged!

 

Tim Lutze: And you can highlight all the contradictions you want, but obviously, …

 

Graham Connolly: It won’t make any difference.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Like I said, my family home, we were attacked in the middle of the night. And where does it escalate from there?

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: Where does it escalate from terrorism? Where does it escalate from violent disorder with padded gloves and masks?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Are they waiting for a nationalist to die?

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And then, even then, …

 

Graham Connolly: In fact, these very same people have been seen in a video that came out today attacking cars on the September 13th rally that we didn’t actually go to, that one!

 

Tim Lutze: So just to recap the 31st March for Australia. The level of violence that we’re accused of doing, all the other accusations against us, the exact thing happened at the beginning of the day! If the police had dealt with it then and there. If the police had kept the peace and done their job, then and there, then maybe no other violence would happen throughout the day. But that wasn’t the case.

 

Graham Connolly: No, that wasn’t the case.

 

Tim Lutze: That wasn’t the last time that they attacked someone. Anyone that would stray down a laneway or anywhere away from the march was attacked on sight!

 

Graham Connolly: Didn’t matter if they were NSN or not!

 

Tim Lutze: It didn’t matter. They were elderly men attacked. And there’s a video of one that had his ribs cracked and he’s in the group and they ripped his jumper off him and he had an Australian T-shirt. They ripped that off him. You know, he looked close to 60 years old. He’s bleeding.

 

Graham Connolly: They’re cowards! And you don’t see NSN going around bashing communists.

 

Tim Lutze: No.

 

Graham Connolly: And like communist grannies and granddads and, …

 

Tim Lutze: So the next thing thing that happened was Avi [Yemini] * was there and he was going through the crowd trying to find anyone he can and say:

 

“What do you think about Nazis being here? What do you think about, … Is this a racist march?”

 

You know, provoking! And so Tom went up to him and told him to leave, and his security got violent. They were eventually moved on and he hid in a little area with the other reporters and he surrounded himself with women. And so and then he’d continue to provoke the guys from the side.

 

So I went over to deal with it. And he’s asking me questions and so I said:

 

“What’s the question? All right? We’re here for a march to stop immigration. You either support that or you don’t support it. It’s not an anti-Nazi march. It’s not an anti-racist march. It’s a stop immigration march! If you’re not here to stop immigration, leave!”

 

[* Avraham Shalom Yemini is an Australian-Israeli far-Right provocateur and commentator. Since 2020 he has worked as the Australian correspondent for Rebel News, a Canadian jewish far-Right website. Wikipedia]

 

[44:15]

 

 

Graham Connolly: I think it’s funny about, … You can just tell the whole story about Avi, but the last time we encountered Avi was at another one of our protests.

 

Tim Lutze: The anti-immigration rally.

 

Graham Connolly: Yes, exactly! It was Living Space for Whites, was it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Two years before.

 

Graham Connolly: Living Space for Whites was our, … Oh, yeah, stopping immigration. And as we left, Avi came over and he interviewed Tom.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: At one point in that interview, Avi gloated, … Now, we were grown. We might have had 20 guys at the one before that, and this one, we had maybe 30 guys, but he was gloating that, or the lie that he was trying to get across is that:

 

“Why have you got the same amount of guys you had last, now?”

 

We didn’t have the same amount of guys. We had more, but he was trying because it was from 22 to, say, 30 or 28. It’s not a huge amount of growth. So his whole entire little dig in that interview was:

 

“Why aren’t you growing? How come you’re not growing?”

 

Tim Lutze: That rally was smashed and broken up an hour and a half early, too.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah:

 

“Why are you the same 25 guys? Why are you the same number? Why aren’t you growing? Why aren’t you growing?”

 

Tim Lutze: He was obsessed with the young lads wearing shorts. But that was really weird!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, he was exactly.

 

Tim Lutze: He brought that up a couple times.

 

Graham Connolly: What’s he thinking now? He just seen 150 of us march through the centre of Melbourne. He just seen 150 of us march to the centre of Melbourne three weeks ago at our nationals with Tom at the front of it. 150 men with our drums. And then three weeks later March for Australia, where Tom gets to speak on the steps of Parliament. Keynote speaker. Thousands upon thousands of cheering patriots!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: How’s Avi feel now about our 25 people?

 

Tim Lutze: He’ll cope and he’ll see, …

 

Graham Connolly: He’ll cope. But he knows!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I just told him what the march was about. And then they were like:

 

“Oh, there’s women around here.”

 

And I said:

 

“Well, don’t provoke.”

 

Graham Connolly: Don’t provoke.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah don’t provoke.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. But that’s what he does. That’s his job. He’s a provocateur.

 

Tim Lutze: And he provoked at the Christian rally that, like Joel Davis and some of the young guys attended the other day, and he managed to get them booted. And that’s the last time we go in plain clothes to an event and support somebody.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Graham Connolly: And Patterson cucked to Avi!

 

Tim Lutze: Mate, Nick Patterson is a piece of work to say the least!

 

Graham Connolly: Isn’t he?

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, if Nick Patterson didn’t, …

 

Graham Connolly: Didn’t he speak to us at the Workers Light [sp], one of the workers spoke to us like, …

 

Tim Lutze: Talked about him training and his son training.

 

Graham Connolly: And then cucked to Avi like that. The way he bent over for Avi like that.

 

Tim Lutze: And then the guy whose main brand is fighting the corrupt police calls the police over to eject guys standing there quietly. Yeah he’s just a real piece of work.

 

Graham Connolly: Real piece of work, man! No honour. There’s no honour in that kind of behaviour.

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, he’s not welcome at any of our rallies. He’ll be ejected if he comes. And if he has an issue about that, we can box if he wants.

 

Graham Connolly: You’d like to spar with him?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, we can box. We can do a box of charity.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, nice. Can he choose the charity? Probably go to some, …

 

Tim Lutze: I’ll go to some “Vionists”. Yeah, it’ll go to some Zionists, …

 

Graham Connolly: Some jews for refugees.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, if we win the money, it’ll go to White Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. He’ll never agree!

 

Tim Lutze: No, he won’t agree. He’s too soft.

 

But yeah, so Avi was the next big thing and that was dealt with and he actually didn’t go on the march. He stayed in that little corner the whole time and tried to find whoever he could to say that they weren’t racist. I think he found some Africans and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Now he spent weeks trying to reframe the day. Unsuccessfully, I would say. He’s tried to reframe to support anything he had that day.

 

Tim Lutze: But he can’t reframe it!

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, Thomas’s speech.

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly! Anyone who wants to just look up Thomas’s speech. So watch the video of the boys arriving at the event. Watch the fight of them having to kick their way through Antifa. Punch their way through Antifa and then make their way across to the high fives and cheers of the crowd.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. The crowd were working behind the banner, behind the black block.

 

[48:44]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And that wasn’t, …

 

Graham Connolly: Tell the story about how the police tried to stop you guys getting, or how they tried to prevent you guys getting to Parliament steps that day.

 

Tim Lutze: I wouldn’t say they prevented us from getting there, but on our way to Parliament there were a few blockades by Leftists and they would come up and reach for the banner, and they were swiftly dealt with by “crowd controllers”, let’s say. And yeah, there were probably a few instances of that. There was an instance where they came down one of the streets and just started swinging again. They would attack anyone carrying an Australian flag indiscriminately. And I was standing on the steps while the PA was being set up and the stage was being set up and I was trying to keep people off the steps, just because I was sort of blocking the speakers and stuff, the sound.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And an old man came up to me and he, his nose was split across and he had black eyes and I could almost see his nostrils through the top of his nose here. And he walks up to me and he was shaken and said that he sort of walked off to the side for a smoke or something and he was just set upon, and they just beat him into the ground. And I just said to him:

 

“Look, mate, you’re in shock, sit down.”

 

And then there was a lady nearby that got him water. And the cop sort of came up and like asked me:

 

“Is he all right?”

 

And I said:

 

“Like, why do you think he didn’t come to you? Yeah, why did he come to the guy in the black jacket?”

 

You know, basically like:

 

“Piss off!”

 

Graham Connolly: Well, here’s the other thing. Like we said earlier.

 

Tim Lutze: And this was some, …

 

Graham Connolly: Like we said earlier. You think anyone was arrested for that?

 

Tim Lutze: No!

 

Graham Connolly: And you think you can split a man’s nose wide open like that in Melbourne and not be seen?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And so, …

 

Graham Connolly: So why does this other side never get arrested?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: So is it State sanctioned? Is it State sanctioned violence?

 

Tim Lutze: They seem to get arrested when they interrupt like when they go really hard at like the Arms Exhibition [Arms Fair in Melbourne on September 11, 2024], whatever. It’s kind of like government stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, if they’re going against patriots, they have free rein. If they’re cutting down statues, it’s not going to be investigated. If they’re defacing memorials, firebombing nationalists, like vandalizing cars.

 

Graham Connolly: Vandalizing Cook Cottage.*

 

[* February 25, 2025-The Captain Cook statue and cottage in Fitzroy Gardens have been vandalised again, less than two weeks after the statue was reinstalled following a $13,000 repair job. Police are investigating after vandals targeted the historical cottage built by Captain James Cook’s father and a statue in a Melbourne park. It is believed three offenders spray-painted the 18th century cottage with what police described as “anti-Cook comments” and tried to cut off the head of the statue in Fitzroy Gardens at about 2 AM on Tuesday. The cottage was built by Captain Cook’s father in 1755. It was disassembled in 1935, with each brick individually numbered, packed into barrels and re-built in the gardens, according to tourism body Visit Victoria.]

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You know, like they’re not going to be investigated. They know who to attack and not to attack.

 

Graham Connolly: They know. There’s no way the police don’t know who these people are.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Come on!

 

Tim Lutze: They even know not to attack the jews. Like they didn’t do any of the synagogues. That was all organised criminals being paid by, foreign interference. You know, so, I don’t know who it was! [chuckling]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, [chuckling] I don’t know exactly who it was, [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: So that was the March for Australia.

 

At the end we were trying to go towards the cars [their private vehicles], which were actually near Camp Sovereignty*. We were getting a lot of reports about the camp throughout the day. You know, there was the some Aboriginal elder that made a video who is one of the organisers at the camp. And he did say that from around 10 o’ clock in the morning they were chasing people and attacking them.

 

[*Camp Sovereignty is an Aboriginal protest encampment located in the park at Kings Domain, Melbourne. It was established as part of the “Black GST” political movement, which advocates for ending Genocide, acknowledging Sovereignty, and securing Treaties with abos. The camp has been active in two main iterations: One in March 2006 and another starting in January 2024.]

 

Graham Connolly: That the communists had set up there.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And that he was trying to tell them not to.

 

Graham Connolly: It was a staging point for attacks on anybody carrying Australian flags.

 

Tim Lutze: I actually respect him for making that video.

 

Graham Connolly: I do.a As well. It was honest.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, you don’t see that very often from that sort of side.

 

Graham Connolly: No, you don’t.

 

Tim Lutze: He just seemed like a just a genuine person.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, he did. Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, I kind of hate him for that. I put the video on my Telegram. If you can find it, go through it.

 

Graham Connolly: No, I’ve seen it.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s worth a watch.

 

Graham Connolly: It is worth a watch.

 

Tim Lutze: He said that violence started at 10 AM and went on throughout the day.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Graham Connolly: They were running down the hill. They were assaulting people with Australian flags. They were bashing people with Australian flags. They were vandalizing cars!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Some guys got beaten to a bloody pulp. Two guys, black and blue and bleeding. And some young kids got chased.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: They managed to get away. Two young kids, probably teenagers. So we’re trying to head that way to sort of leave. We weren’t really too focused on, … Because there was a lot of violence going on.

 

So there were all sorts of attacks all over that area.

 

[53:21]

 

 

Graham Connolly: So you guys would have been trying to stay together.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, stay together and we’re trying to get out.

 

But then they wouldn’t let us go that way. They wouldn’t allow us to go that way. Even though we came in that way, they wouldn’t let us go that way. And I like the truth is at the time we didn’t really know why.

 

So then they forced us into Flinders Street Station. They kettled us, they’d broken up, a lot of rally had started leaving, breaking up, but the people that were trying to go south were being forced into the state, into Flinders Street Station.

 

And while we’re in there were Palestinian people wearing scarves, ribbons in their hair, elderly, walking through the crowd.

 

Graham Connolly: Getting bashed, I’m sure!

 

Tim Lutze: No, no, walking through the crowd. They were getting heckled and that. But like none of them were getting bashed.

 

Graham Connolly: Of course not.

 

Tim Lutze: They weren’t getting jumped on sight.

 

Graham Connolly: Of course not.

 

Tim Lutze: Every police knows what happened that day, knows the level of violence that was happening and where it was coming from.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And that’s why, maybe we will be, but that’s why we haven’t been charged for anything else that happened that day.

 

Graham Connolly: Except for the one thing that they think that they can get you guys on and not the other side.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And so we were forced to go around the other way. And then we head back towards our cars and you know, because of all the stuff happening in the courts, I don’t really want to talk about the incident at Camp Sovereignty, but just the level of violence that was coming out of that camp that day, was insane!

 

And the fact that it’s not being investigated, the fact that the very first violent disorder on the bridge isn’t being investigated. You know, and if it is being investigated, they’re trying to see who, which one of us hit someone. You know, I guarantee you, it’s which one of the men we defended ourselves against and how we defended ourselves.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: And if we used a flag pole, or a boot or, …

 

Graham Connolly: I haven’t heard of a single person being arrested or charged on the Left, on the Palestinian, on the communist side, who attacked, …

 

Tim Lutze: Despite people being hospitalised.

 

Graham Connolly: Despite people being hospitalised. Yeah, but people on our side, despite nobody being hospitalised, despite using minimum amount of force to achieve our goals that day which we were entitled to do, which was to hold the anti-immigration rally. Entitled to do it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Despite using the minimum amount of force, no serious injuries, and [chuckling] embarrassing the other side with the minimum amount of force. But in spite of that, we’ve had many arrests.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Ten arrests so far. Probably more.

 

Graham Connolly: With more on the way.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s basically March for Australia. But as March for Australia organically materialised and we were given a seat at the table, there were a lot of people that tried to insert themselves at the start.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And insert and change the narrative.

 

Graham Connolly: Containment Right! It’s a good word for it. We used to call them grifters. The Containment Right is actually a really good description of what we’re dealing with, …

 

Tim Lutze: But like a lot of people tried to put their two cents in. A lot of TikTokers. You know, a lot of brown TikTokers.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, all sorts of things. They try to put their two cents in. And that was shut down at the start!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: No, this is a stop Immigration rally. No punching Right! Don’t punch to anyone to the right of you. No foreign flags, no Aboriginal flags, this, that, and the other.

 

And so some of these Avi Yemeni and Nick Patterson types and Monica Smit*.

 

[* Monica Smit (born 1984) is an Australian anti-vaccine and anti-lockdown protester. She is the founder of Reignite Democracy Australia, an anti-lockdown and Covid-19 conspiracy group. Smit gained prominence during the Covid-19 pandemic as a critic of the Victorian Government’s response. She alternated between supporting and not supporting the Aug 31, 2025 March for Australia, until finally being for it.]

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: Some of these grifters.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. Monica Smit tried about 40 different angles. She flip-flopped like a fish out of water! She is a weasel!

 

Tim Lutze: She weaseled every angle she could until she deleted her social media for four weeks.

 

Graham Connolly: Did she do that?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So she’s on a detox right now! That’s why she’s not putting videos.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Because she lost every bit of respect anybody ever had for her!

 

Tim Lutze: She’s embarrassed!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, embarrassed. Everything she tried failed!

 

Tim Lutze: All these grifters tried to hijack the rally and turn it into something it wasn’t. You know, and good on Auspill* and the organisers for like keeping it for what it was meant to be.

 

[* Hugo Lennon – who goes by the online persona “Auspill” is the grandson of one of Australia’s richest property developers (Tony Lennon, the former chairman of Perth-based Peet Limited, worth approximately $800 million), and was one of the co-ordinators of the anti-immigration protests across Australia called March for Australia held on Aug 31, 2025. As a 21-year-old social media influencer and activist he has gained prominence for his vocal opposition to immigration, particularly what he describes as “mass immigration,” which he links to Australia’s housing crisis, skills shortages, and cultural assimilation issues.]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: A march for Australia. Australian flags, don’t punch Right.

 

Graham Connolly: The point was made that the Left never punch Left. They never attacked their own radicals. Never!

 

Tim Lutze: No. I’ve never heard Lidia Thorpe or the Greens ever denounce Antifa, fire bombings or anything.

 

Graham Connolly: Nope. They never arrest their own, they never attack their own. They never prosecute their own!

 

Tim Lutze: In fact we have an Afghani MP, is he an MP? I don’t know, Senator, whatever, who just condoned Charlie’s Kirk’s murder.

 

[58:21]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. That’s what we’re dealing with, … That’s the difference between the two sides.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So they all tried to hijack this rally, turn into something it wasn’t. And when they didn’t get their way, they told everyone not to go! They told everyone not to go. They told everyone:

 

“If you go, you’ll be called racist. You’ll be associated with the NSN.”

 

Graham Connolly: The media tried for two weeks to convince people not to go because this rally was being organised by Nazis! This rally has been organised by the NSN.

 

As soon as the rally happened and was a roaring success, they tried then to change the narrative that the NSN “hijacked” the rally! For two weeks they tried to convince you that the NSN organised the rally. And then once it was a massive success, they tried to say the NSN hijacked it! So which was it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So the Griff Right, the Containment Right, when they couldn’t get their way, they said:

 

“Don’t go, don’t go!”

 

And then the media picked it up and said:

 

“There’s this racist rally planned!”

 

Then all the Labour and Liberal government and opposition were all like:

 

“This is not the Australian way. We don’t March for Australia. That’s racist! We don’t carry Aussie flags. That’s racist!”

 

Whatever. I don’t even know what the angle was. But yeah, they said that it was a “Nazi rally” and all this. And despite all of that, August 31st was probably the biggest nationalist rally in Melbourne since the destruction of the White Australian Policy, you know, at least for a couple of decades.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And you could not see, from the steps of Parliament, you could not see the end of the rally at Burke street! Unfortunately, probably a lot of people didn’t hear what Tom said because, …

 

Graham Connolly: But it’s okay. The videos exist. It’s 2025 I mean, so!

 

Tim Lutze: Even we didn’t anticipate that you could have filled Marvel Stadium probably, you would have easily filled Marvel Stadium, which is like, I don’t know what, 50, 70,000?

 

Graham Connolly: It was huge. I didn’t expect it to be so big.

 

Tim Lutze: And it was just a sea of blue flags! You know, like true blue!

 

Graham Connolly: And the contrast that day was obvious.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Everyone was White!

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, 100%!

 

Graham Connolly: Everyone was White. So whether people want to acknowledge the fact that we are, …

 

Tim Lutze: In my lifetime, I’ve never seen the city that White.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s a racial issue. What we’re dealing with is a racial issue.

 

Tim Lutze: Like Anzac Day and stuff’s very White.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: But it’s never been, I’ve never seen it how it was, like that must have been how it was to live in the 60s or something. I don’t know.

 

Yeah, so it was just a huge success in Melbourne. I’ll let anyone talk about Sydney that was there, but yeah, Melbourne was insane!

 

And so then all the people that failed to hijack the rally and failed to grift off it, they’re all trying to do their own thing now. They’re trying to “clout chase” and to steal the momentum. And so they did one on the 13th of September. A lot of the people that were, …

 

Graham Connolly: Opposed.

 

Tim Lutze: Some of the people involved tried to split our rally. They tried to split it. They tried to have two stages, they tried to have two PA systems, all this.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And it was basically like:

 

“No!”

 

You know, Tom put his hand on my shoulder and says:

 

“Do you feel in charge?”

 

Graham Connolly: Do you feel in charge?

 

Tim Lutze: So, yeah, yeah. So they did one on the 13th and it was nowhere near the size of the 31st.

 

Graham Connolly: Nowhere near it! It was a flop.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: It was a complete flop!

 

Tim Lutze: And there were probably good people there because Australians will get behind any Australian rally.

 

Graham Connolly: There would have been good people there. But we’re at the tippy tippy end of the spear now, where there’s no pretend anymore! Everyone knows what’s going on.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. People aren’t scared.

 

Graham Connolly: They aren’t afraid anymore.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You cannot be afraid to be called “racist” because you want your own country!

 

Graham Connolly: You can go extinct while being called racist or you can, …

 

 

Tim Lutze: I know a lot of people still are scared and still don’t consider themselves “racist”, but the truth is, if you don’t want 10 million Chinese people here or 10 million Indian people here, you’re racist!

 

[1:02:45]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, you’re racist. Well, the definition today is if you love your own tribe, your own people, your own heritage, your own blood, you’re a racist! That’s what it means. Tribal is the word really. That’s the word. “Racist” replaces the word “tribal”, which is a positive word.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s considered a positive. Positive to be tribal. Like if you put yourself into the grug brain. I’m a grug brain, caveman. Right. You put yourself in the grug brain you’re like, think of the cavemen in the first villages and there’s a warring tribe coming from over the mountain and you get word that this tribe is ransacking every village that it comes across. You’re not going to defend your village? You’re not going to defend your people against this approaching warring tribe?

 

Of course you are! It’s the most natural thing in the world since the dawn of man!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And so you’re a racist.

 

Tim Lutze: They’re not pillaging and stuff. It’s a soft, …

 

Graham Connolly: It’s the worst type of war because people can’t see it.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s a psychological one, it’s frustrating and it just feels like I was born in the wrong time. Like I just want something to attack.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, just something to defend or something to attack.

 

Graham Connolly: Right. Fight us in the open. It’s like you say, it’s not a fight in the open.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s a you guys want to rush us on a bridge? Good! Sweet!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Give it a good crack. Hey, all respect to you! All I can say is give it a crack. But like we grew up hypothetically in Minecraft if the roles are reversed, don’t complain.

 

Graham Connolly: Don’t complain. No.

 

Tim Lutze: We grew up on the chin.

 

Graham Connolly: We grew up playing games like Modern Warfare and stuff like that. But in reality, this is modern warfare. It’s a psychological war. It’s a slow genocide. It’s a, …

 

Tim Lutze: Before I could be humble and learn to win, I had to go into the boxing gym and had this small little half sized man jab my nose apart to be humble, so, …

 

Graham Connolly: And then once you go over that now you’ve decided to take on an even bigger fight!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Where we’re getting jabbed in the mouth and we’re getting jabbed in the nose and we’re like children in this game. Because we’re just starting to breed out now. We’re just starting to grow. Starting to attract more good people who’ve just been waiting for people like Tom to come along and for a group like ours to come along. To represent them.

 

Tim Lutze: But to go back to what was saying, the grifters started this new rally and they did their thing where they tried to attach so many issues through it to attract so many people.

 

So it was like the anti-digital ID, freedom, lower immigration, but not racist, Zionist, Australia, multicultural rally.

 

Graham Connolly: Keep everyone happy rally! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Pretty sure that was the name of it. Pretty sure, word for word.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, [chuckling] something like that!

 

Tim Lutze: It was insane! And they got up and they were talking about everything!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: There was no point to the rally! Like I was listening to the live streams. They were talking about the smut in the children’s school and they were talking about digital IDs and just so much information.

 

Graham Connolly: And it was just another repeat of the Covid stuff!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: During Covid there was like 250,000 people in the streets and nothing came of it!

 

Tim Lutze: Here’s our key issues! And it’s a page.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And nothing ever comes to that shit!

 

Tim Lutze: No, it doesn’t. No.

 

 

Graham Connolly: 20 men in the street. 20 men dressed in black holding the banner that said “Destroy Paedo Freaks”, had more of an impact than 250,000 people on the streets during Covid every week! They were there every week and nothing came of it!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

 

Graham Connolly: Destroy Paedo Freaks! 20 men dressed in black!

 

Tim Lutze: Pick your issue. Smash the message on the table! And let the public take over.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! That’s it!

 

Tim Lutze: And so they did this rally. They were called racists. The communists rocked up, did the exact same things. And the police promised to protect Camp Sovereignty this time. And now they’re in force. And despite police apparently being present at Camp Sovereignty, Noticer News has reported and shown videos of people descending the hill and attacking people carrying Australian flags.

 

Graham Connolly: Yes.

 

Tim Lutze: With video evidence, kicking cars.

 

Graham Connolly: So doing the exact same thing.

 

Tim Lutze: The exact same thing. Violent disorder. A fray. Discharging a missile. All the good things that we like to be dealt with by the courts. Will anything be done about it?

 

Graham Connolly: It’s not funny that they didn’t need a new staging point for these violent attacks?

 

Tim Lutze: No.

 

Graham Connolly: They could just do it again from the same point. Interesting, isn’t it?

 

[1:07:48]

 

 

Tim Lutze: So the rally was just underwhelming. They had no protection, they had no one there to like to secure their safety. And so the media of the day said that:

 

“Oh, you can’t just protest, this is not a free country. You should have to get permission to protest. You know, how dare they, …”

 

Graham Connolly: Which is the case in some of the other states.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is.

 

Graham Connolly: But Victoria is actually so Left-wing that it’s the most protest friendly state in Australia really, isn’t it? Because of how Left-wing it is.

 

Tim Lutze: Communists here are so volatile and that, so I don’t think they could enforce it. I don’t think they could even enforce if they wanted. They’ve been doing 100 weeks straight of protests and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Did we go to [word unclear] protests?

 

Tim Lutze: I didn’t really care about their issues.

 

Graham Connolly: Nobody gives a shit!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, no one gives a shit!

 

Graham Connolly: Focus on our own thing and building.

 

Tim Lutze: So yeah, I got home from the protest. My missus is very pregnant. She was like two weeks overdue.

 

Graham Connolly: We haven’t even got to that!

 

Tim Lutze: Nah. So a couple days after the protest she gave birth, …

 

Graham Connolly: To a giant baby!

 

Tim Lutze: To a massive baby! 10.44 pounds or 4.7 kg. And he came out, hands up, chins down!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Ready to go.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. A proper Saxon he was. And then, …

 

Graham Connolly: Because I think his generation is going to be the “strong men make good times” again. I just have a feeling.

 

Tim Lutze: He just has an angry face. He does one emotion and he just looks angry.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: He knows what needs to be done.

 

Graham Connolly: He knows it needs to be done.

 

So there’s all the other boys that have been, … Jimbo had a kid recently as well. And he came out the womb looking the very same way! Like ready to go!

 

Tim Lutze: He just turned one years old.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So you know the whole saying like:

 

“Strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times.”

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: We are in the hard times where hard times is beginning to make strong men again. There’s always remnants left in each generation, and I think we’re the remnants of the strong man that’s left over. And our children will be the generation then of mostly strong men, I think.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I like, I expect that my sons and daughters are going to have a big task ahead of them. I don’t think this is something that’s going to be solved very quickly.

 

Graham Connolly: Very much so, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, I think that a lot of people just want their kids to be happy and want their kids to enjoy life. And I think that’s the problem, is that just chasing happiness all the time.

 

Graham Connolly: Chasing happiness. To be fair to Juden Peterstein, he did say one good thing that I always thought was, he said:

 

“Life is not about the pursuit of happiness, but the pursuit of meaning.”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And meaning brings happiness. So if you pursue meaning and find meaning in your life, you will have happiness.

 

Tim Lutze: I’m sure you can find good quotes from everyone.

 

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Graham Connolly: Nah, he’s got a lot! He’s got a lot! In fairness to that guy, he’s got a lot of good stuff. You need to, if you’re going to be a good grifter, you got to have 90% good, and then the last 10% is how you steer people to the wrong direction.

 

Tim Lutze: A lot of people say good things, but aren’t necessarily good faith, but they say good things.

 

Graham Connolly: He’s not good faith, but he says some good things.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah so a couple days after my missus gave birth to our fourth.

 

Graham Connolly: You want to say his name?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, Saxon!

 

Graham Connolly: What’s his middle name?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, no, [chuckling] I don’t want to go that far.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Don’t want to dox, … [chuckling] He might want to something when he’s like, in business or something when he’s older. I don’t want to do that.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but I think hopefully we’ll have made enough progress by then that he can have a business without so much strife.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, so it was a couple days after the rally, and then I was off running errands and yeah, the police knocked on the door. There were six of them, and they were looking for me in regards to the Camp Sovereignty incident. And my missus had given birth probably less than 12 hours before that. And she was holding him and she just said:

 

“Please, not today. Just don’t.”

 

And they were cordial and they said:

 

“Yeah, all right, fair enough. Just tell them to come in and it’ll be fine. Like, just come in. We’re not gonna come in the house or anything like that.”

 

So then they rang her like an hour later and just were a bit more firm and said that:

 

“If he doesn’t come in, we’ll give his picture to the media.”

 

Graham Connolly: You were running errands or something?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, something. And so they said they’ll give my picture to the media and all that. So then I was like:

 

“All right.”

 

So, yeah, just went in, got charged, got bailed.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And then, yeah, can’t talk to any of the people that were charged and can’t go into certain areas and all this sort of stuff.

 

So, yeah, all over again, back through the courts.

 

[1:12:54]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Not to go back so far, but we kind of skipped over that. The shrine. You got basically banned from the Shrine.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, there was an incident where they were gonna stop the last call at the Shrine of Remembrance, which is a shrine to our ancestors, Anzacs that fought in all Australia’s conflicts. And they do every Sunday what’s called a Last Call, where they play the bugle. And they were going to stop that because they didn’t have enough funding, even though they put millions, billions of dollars into all these other stupid initiatives.

 

Graham Connolly: Can’t afford a guy blowing into a bugle.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly! But the public were outraged, and they ended up getting it overturned. So I had said to some of the guys, like publicly messaged him and stuff. You know, it wasn’t an op or anything.

 

And I said to some of the guys, and this court case is still ongoing, but it’s so trivial that I’ll talk about it. I said to some of the guys:

 

“I’ve actually never gone to the Last Call, so let’s go and pay our respects.”

 

And they were doing in some special dedication to the animals that had been in the armed forces and stuff.

 

So that’s kind of cool. You know, we’re National Socialists, we love environmentalism and animals so let’s go down. And I just said:

 

“Anyone that wants to come, Chuck the EAM [European Australian Movement] shirt on, the community shirt, and wear some like neat clothes. How we normally go to Remembrance Day in Anzac Day every year. And let’s go. Just listen to the last call.”

 

So we rocked up and we’re walking in, no masks, no NSN jackets or any of that stuff. Just neat casual with our EAM shirts.

 

And then we go there and there must have been 100 police! 100 police there on just a Sunday afternoon. And the place is pretty empty. And so as we’re going up to the stairs to the Shrine, they approached us. They said that:

 

“We were in breach of the Shrine Act and that we couldn’t assemble. We couldn’t assemble there and that we had to leave.”

 

And we were trying to get clear instructions from him as to what we did wrong or why we were being moved on.

 

Graham Connolly: There’s video of this as well.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. While we were being moved on and, …

 

Graham Connolly: They basically didn’t know!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And then he was just talking in circles and said that:

 

“You can’t assemble here!”

 

He kept saying, “assemble”. So then Dean Lee, the CEO of the Shrine, came out and said that we were in breach of the Shrine Act and that we’re not allowed to attend. So we walked off. And so Jimbo and I were talking as we’re leaving and I said:

 

“Well, everyone’s gone. We can’t assemble here, but maybe we can go as individuals? Maybe we can go back and we’ll try and we’ll talk to the police and see if we can go in individually and not cause trouble.”

 

Just me and him. Everyone had left. Gone! Everyone was gone.

 

So Jimbo and I went back, we approached the police, we said:

 

“Can we please go on to the Shrine? Can we please just pay our respects. And watch the Last Post?”

 

And they stood in front of us for like 30 seconds and then something came over the walkie talkie and then they just arrested us. So they didn’t even speak to us. They just arrested us! And took us to the cells. We’re in the cells for most of the night, and we had to go before a judge.

 

Graham Connolly: So the police had to deny you bail in order for you to have to see a judge? Normally the police can just bail you.

 

Tim Lutze: No. So apparently, according to the Shrine Act, even though it’s only two people penalty units, which is a speeding fine.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You have to go before a judge.

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it’s insane! The maximum penalty for breaching the Shrine Act is $400. So it’s actually more of an offence to drive an unregistered car around.

 

Graham Connolly: And you have bail conditions on this?

 

Tim Lutze: The bail conditions, are that I’m not allowed to go to the Shrine of Remembrance.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s it!

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, basically it.

 

Graham Connolly: So you’re not allowed to pay your respects to your ancestors?

 

Tim Lutze: No. So on Anzac Day, my family, they always go down to the Shrine, and I had to stand in the street while they paid their respects and listened to the bugle from the street. And we’d never politicised the Shrine. We’d never interrupted an event.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: To us, a very sacred building. For us, it’s very important to us.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, to honour the fallen and the people that made the ultimate sacrifice and the warriors.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: Because we are fighters! So our organisation builds fighters.

 

Graham Connolly: And these qre the men we respect the most.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

So the Shrine is probably one of the most important buildings to us as an organisation. And we’ve attended every Remembrance Day and every Remembrance Day since our organisation was established. Since I’ve joined, I’ve attended everyone.

 

[1:18:12]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And despite all the crap, despite all the Welcome to Country and that stuff, up until that point where I was arrested, we’d never caused a scene at the Shrine. We walked through it after Anzac Day, Remembrance Day. Sorry, you go for a walk through the Shrine. We do that.

 

Graham Connolly: They did watch us closely, though.

 

Tim Lutze: Police always follow us.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Surround us even.

 

Tim Lutze: Surround us. They cause a scene.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, reporters report on it. They say:

 

“The EAM or the NSN were at the Shrine and they walked through it and they didn’t cause a disturbance, but police were monitoring them and no offences occurred.”

 

And they do all that sort of bullshit as if we shouldn’t be allowed to go there or something.

 

And so we always made an effort not to interrupt the people that were running the ceremonies, even if we disagreed with them. Even if we disagreed with them Welcoming to Country or them thanking the traditional landowners or whatever it is. You know, we decided there shouldn’t be scenes caused at the Shrine. But they felt differently. Victoria police felt differently. Victoria police thought they needed to cause a scene at the Shrine.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: They needed to arrest people for attending the Shrine!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: They know, well aware that we do not disrespect it. They know well aware that we do not interrupt events, even when there’s the likes of Dan, Andrews is there giving speeches, you know, an absolute, like, he’s absolute scum! He’s a traitor! He’s not from us, but from the people of Melbourne, he’ll never be able to show his face in public.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: He will never be able to walk through anywhere in Melbourne. That’s how much that man is hated!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. He’s hated by normies.

 

Tim Lutze: By normies. And, …

 

Graham Connolly: And despised!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, he’s absolutely despised!

 

Graham Connolly: And so is Jacinta Allan. Despised!

 

Tim Lutze: They try to float the idea of building him a statue, and it’s caused so much trouble. Despite all that, up until the point where Jimbo and I were arrested and they caused the scene, there’s never been anything happened there. You know, obviously since that time, there has been interruptions at the Shrine. You know, they wanted to cause a scene, so let’s cause a scene.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You want to make it political! You want to shit on our ancestors in the one place where we can pay our respects to them.

 

Graham Connolly: We’re going to bring it out in the open now.

 

Tim Lutze: You want to deny us the right to pay our respects to them? Okay, fine. You want to cause a scene? Let’s have a scene!

 

Graham Connolly: You want to do it to us in this veiled, underhanded way? We’re going to bring it to the front like we always do. We’re gonna slam the message on the table, like we always do!

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: And you’re gonna have to fucking deal with it!

 

Tim Lutze: We’re doing 150 man marches through Melbourne.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, soon we’re doing 300 man marches in black through Melbourne. And then 600, and then a thousand.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And then we’ll tell you what we’re doing, when we’re doing it, where we can be and where we can’t be.

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: You know what I mean? And they know this.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s why you can have 47 charges for violent assault, home invasions, whatever, and get bail. But Tom’s sitting in a jail cell?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know what I mean? It’s crazy! Victoria is well known for its bail laws being dogshit!

 

Graham Connolly: Dogshit! 5,000 home invasions in Victoria last year! From these imports. They’re all imports! Imported Africans with machetes!

 

 

Tim Lutze: We’ve pages and pages of, …

 

Graham Connolly: To ban machetes!

 

Tim Lutze: Like the garden tools.

 

Graham Connolly: Farmers have had machetes since machetes have existed. Now they’re not allowed to have machetes in Victoria.

Tim Lutze: It’s crazy!

 

Graham Connolly: But Tom has been held under remand.

 

Tim Lutze: Tom, he’s not getting out, he’s not getting bail. I hope he does.

 

Graham Connolly: I hope he does.

 

Tim Lutze: I hope he does. But he’ll have to appeal it to a very high court, like Supreme Court or something.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s going to cost.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s going to cost.

 

Graham Connolly: You know, it’s going to cost big money. But yeah, that’s what we’re dealing with, isn’t it? We haven’t even told, … We could have had part three of this. We haven’t talked about Adelaide.

 

[1:22:22]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, Adelaide was crazy! You know real quickly like we went there for our Nationals to celebrate Australia Day [Sun, Jan 26, 2025]. No protests, no rally, just celebrate Australia Day. No masks, Australian flags, no NSN flags, Aussie flags. And to get, what was it, 16 people?

 

 

Graham Connolly: Seventeen in the end, but 16 on the day.

 

Tim Lutze: Confinement for the whole weekend.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know and I know tore my bicep off the bone the day before!

 

But you know, but that was insane! And people charged with “loitering”.

 

Graham Connolly: It seems actually so long ago now. That was the start of this year. This year has been insane! Adelaide, then Nationals out at out in Ballan*. And then August 31st. What a year!

 

[* Ballan is a small town (pop 3, 300) about 80 km (50 mi) north of Melbourne. During the Victorian Gold Rush, it became an important staging point for coaches travelling to the Ballarat goldfields.]

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, the doco [NSN promo video documentary] came out. We got another doco coming from the last Nationals, and this one is going to make that doco I look like child’s play!

 

 

Graham Connolly: And if you haven’t seen that documentary go to White Australia.org and it’s on the homepage. Just go watch it. It’s a 35 minute documentary, something like that and it is good!

 

Tim Lutze: But the next one is going to look like a Hollywood production.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, there’s a trailer for the next one on White Australia.org and it’s good!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I do have inside information. There is another trailer coming soon. I can’t say when but it’s very soon.

 

But yeah that was crazy! And everyone get charged with “loitering” and a Nazi symbol and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Well they bviously wanted to charge us with wearing masks with “articles of disguise”, but we didn’t turn up with articles of disguise so they were confused, they didn’t know what to do.

 

Tim Lutze: Some guys were “slip slop, slap”, you know protecting from the sun with a hat and sunnies and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Police with hats and sunglasses on we’re arresting people with hats and sunglasses on for wearing “articles in disguise”!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah and every single charge was dropped!

 

Graham Connolly: Every single charge was withdrawn.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s the language they used in the, …

 

Tim Lutze: I’ve never been good at language! [chuckling]

 

Graham Connolly: No, I just mean that because it took me a day to chase up what actually happened. Because on the final day it lasted for five seconds. I’m on the phone and they just hang up on you!

 

Tim Lutze: We could barely hear it.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And they just hung up. They just hung up! And I’m like:

 

“What the fuck just happened?”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And then it took me the whole day to finally get it confirmed.

 

Tim Lutze: Like wanted to see what happened and we were on the phone and we didn’t hear anything. And then finally not knowing when your next court date was.

 

Graham Connolly: And then I eventually confirmed later that day that all charges have been withdrawn.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, they can arrest you, charge you, put you in solitary.

 

Graham Connolly: Three days, 16 guys!

 

Tim Lutze: Force you to be on non-Association from your friends and family and then just drop the charges.

 

Graham Connolly: Just drop the charges!

 

Tim Lutze: You know, I don’t have any faith in lawfare or the courts.

 

Graham Connolly: No, no!

 

Tim Lutze: None whatsoever! And a lot of people get frustrated at me for that stance, but I don’t expect anything. In Queensland the police were just swinging on us!

 

Graham Connolly: Just swinging us.

 

Tim Lutze: Just swinging. Busted my lip open.

 

Graham Connolly: My favourite part of that whole day was when the guy, …

 

Tim Lutze: The 60 year old man that was just pulled to the floor, Mickel, had his head smashed on the corner!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah!

 

Graham Connolly: And my favourite part of the whole day was you getting punched in the face though! I’m sorry to say that, but that was my favourite part because I’ve never seen somebody steal somebody’s soul. You stole that guy’s soul!

 

And then he couldn’t take his eyes off you for the whole rest of the march. He was like eyeballing you for the whole thing. He punched you as hard as he could in the face, and you just went:

 

“Are you okay?”

 

Tim Lutze: I said:

 

“What are you doing?”

 

It was just, it was a haymaker too! Yeah, it was a big overhand right and it was like boom!

 

And I was like:

 

“What are you doing?”

 

And he’s just like, … Looks around, …

 

Graham Connolly: He was so disappointed.

 

[Image: NSN march through Brisbane, Aug 11, 2024]

 

Tim Lutze: And in the rest of the march he was just walking around the ranks trying to, just staring at me, like breathing. He was like an Islander or something. Yeah, I thought he was going to break into a haka* at one point! Yeah, he was really [word unclear].

 

[* Haka is a traditional Māori dance characterized by vigorous movements, rhythmic chanting, and facial expressions, often performed by groups. It serves various ceremonial purposes, including welcoming guests, celebrating achievements, and preparing for battle.]

 

Graham Connolly: He [chuckling] wanted to get you man!

 

So this year on August 31, myself, Jimbo and Jacob went to Brisbane. And because of that day I was expecting Brisbane was going to be hectic!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So me and Jimbo were ready for it. Like we were getting ready for craziness!

 

Tim Lutze: Jimbo is ready for it at a child’s birthday! [chuckling]

 

[1:27:01]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah but we did, because of how the police were, we were expecting it was going to be similar again. They were going to be heavy handed. The fucking Islanders and shit there’s just no rules, like they can do whatever the fuck they want. They’re gonna bash us over the head and yeah, and it turned out to be the most timid one of the whole time. Yeah, it was the most timid state in Australia that day.

 

Tim Lutze: We did the whole complaints. Stephen Wilds is trying to do legal action for the older gentleman that was tackled and bashed in Queensland. I think he’s still trying to take the legal action against them. In Sydney, they were just wild, wild west banning us from every suburb.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, Sydney was crazy man!

 

Tim Lutze: That was hectic! I don’t know, they didn’t really, …

 

Graham Connolly: But the Adelaide one. Are we gonna class action these mother fuckers, or what we’re going to do?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, well, so far every time we’ve made a complaint, …

 

Graham Connolly: I mean they’re caught on Tom’s mic saying that they wanted to shoot us!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s the other thing I was about to say. Like yeah, they saying that they want to shoot Australians and stuff like that, …

 

Graham Connolly: For celebrating Australia Day!

 

Tim Lutze: I know they did make a complaint about that but like it’s every time we seem to make it’s:

 

“Oh we’ve investigated ourselves and we found nothing happened.”

 

Graham Connolly: Especially in Sydney.

 

Tim Lutze: We all made complaints, anyone that was assaulted, and it was just like:

 

“Oh yeah we’ve investigated and we found that yeah, nothing happened.”

 

Like basically. I don’t even remember what the wording was. It was just so vague. I just don’t have any faith in the law and yeah, you should do it all and you should try to use the system against itself.

 

Graham Connolly: You should do it anyway!

 

Tim Lutze: You should do it anyway but, …

 

Graham Connolly: Just to show the contrast.

 

Tim Lutze: I just hate it! I don’t like complaining and, …

 

Graham Connolly: We just watched Tom represent himself and do a really good job of it, too, in a case in the Magistrates Court. And the Magistrates Court is just a joke!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. For like intimidating a police officer.

 

Graham Connolly: Have I never mentioned his name? Never mentioned his anything. Never revealed anything!

 

Tim Lutze: Said he was going to look into the laws to see if he’s allowed to mention him.

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy! Just absolute insane!

Tim Lutze: And that “intimidated” the guy.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: I mean, why are you in that job if you’re that easy to intimidate?

 

Graham Connolly: Nobody believes the guy was intimidated. I watched the whole case.

 

Tim Lutze: Trying to take down an organised crime syndicate or an outlaw motorcycle club, and you’re that easily intimidated? Like, what is he? Is he like a senior sergeant? I don’t know. But like, maybe I shouldn’t ask? But like, I don’t know. How could you climb the ranks in a police department if you’re that easily intimidated?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, that’s crazy!

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. But look, I mean, we just breezed over a lot of things, like most things today. It’s been good. Loads of information for people, but we could have talked here for six hours.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: But I think we probably got to call it there because it’ll be too long and people won’t watch the whole thing and, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, probably for those guys that don’t speak Irish, there’ll be subtitles, I think!

 

Graham Connolly: There won’t be any subtitles. They’re just going to have to watch it twice! Three times!

 

Tim Lutze: I still don’t know what you’re saying. [LOL]

 

Graham Connolly: But there won’t be subtitles. There’ll be no subtitles! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Right.

 

Graham Connolly: They’re just [chuckling] going to have to get used to it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, we normally do this thing where me and you, where we will talk and we talk over each other and we’ll have two different conversations at the same time, …

 

Graham Connolly: But we both take it in.

 

Tim Lutze: But we both know what we’re saying. People that are listening to us, …

 

Graham Connolly: The are:

 

“What the fuck are you guys on about?”

 

Tim Lutze: They get annoyed!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, they get annoyed on our behalf!

 

Tim Lutze: And they’re like:

 

“Why aren’t you two guys annoyed? Like you’re talking over each other!”

 

Graham Connolly: It’s faster this way!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I don’t know if we did that today?

 

Graham Connolly: I don’t think so. no. No, not so bad. But you actually wanted to know before, we could finish on this, you wanted to know why I’m an Australian nationalist.

 

Tim Lutze: So I’ll address the elephant in the room.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And before you make a joke about my mum. I mean, …

 

Graham Connolly: I never would! [chuckling]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Why is a Irish immigrant a part of a White Australian organisation?

 

Graham Connolly: It’s a good question!

 

Tim Lutze: Why are you a White Australian nationalist?

 

[1:31:27]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Well, the truth is, no matter what, if I was in Ireland, I’d be White nationalist in Ireland, I’d be an Irish nationalist. But I’m here. I came here when I was basically only out of university. I was like every other fucking person that just came out of university. I was basically, I was never Left-wing, I was always natural law. I just didn’t know I was a National Socialist. But I wasn’t a racist. I wasn’t any of those things.

 

And when I came here, I was naive. I didn’t know what I know now. I didn’t know about the jews. I didn’t know. That we were being slowly genocided, and eradicated from the face of the planet!

 

And I’ll make a long story short. So when Covid happened, my plan, … I’d been here at that time 12 or 13 years, and I’m Irish. I’ll never be Australian! I’m an Irish man. I’ll never be Australian. My kid will. I just had a kid. My kid will be Australian because she is of the same blood as the founders of Australia and she’s born here. And I mean, an Indian born here is never going to be Australian, but my kid will be because my partner’s Australian. She’s of the same blood as the people who founded Australia, so she’ll be Australian.

 

Tim Lutze: But you are of the same blood that started Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. But I’m born in Ireland, grew up in Ireland, went to school in Ireland. I’m always going to be Irish. I’m Irish, right?

 

So, when Covid happened, I spent years bickering and arguing with people online. And 9/11 was my first sort of red pill. And I had the same sort of red pill process as most people. You gaslit yourself. You go back asleep for the easy life or whatever, for the normal life. And then something else happens to wake you back up again. You’re going, fucking, it’s always the same people at the bottom of every rabbit [rabbi] hole.

 

And anyway, so when Covid happened, I was not getting the vaccine. Straight away, I was laughing! Like, I remember. I remember being in work, going and laughing and my boss was like:

 

“There’s 40 grown men calling me, crying!”

 

And I’m like:

 

“Man, it’s rubbish! It’s nonsense!”

 

Anyway, I wasn’t going to take the vaccine. At that point I hadn’t even applied for citizenship here. And in my mind I was like:

 

“Okay, now is the time. I’m going back to Ireland. I’m going back to fight in Ireland. I’m going to start, I’m going to get political, I’m going to start doing shit in real life. No more of this fucking bullshit, and online arguing and bickering and wasting time!”

 

So I decided to, before I go, you can have dual citizenship with Ireland.

 

So I was like:

 

“Okay, I’ll get the citizenship. So that if I ever want to come back here when I’m 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, whatever!”

 

Like if I didn’t get citizenship, I go home after six months. I might as well have never been here! All the way, it’s 13 years down the drain sort of thing.

 

So I was like:

 

“Okay, what I’ll do is I’ll get the citizenship, then I’m going back to Ireland and I’m going to get involved politically back there.”

 

That was the plan. And then while I was waiting for the citizenship to come true, I met Jimbo online. Basically I was looking for, I start training and then I was looking for White guys to train with. And so I asked. I was in a group chat here in Geelong.

 

Basically it was like anti-Covid, anti-vaccine group chat. And I just put a post in going:

 

“Anyone know a group of White guys that I can train with or like minded White guys I can train with?”

 

And somebody just sent me Jimbo’s add. I sent Jimbo a message. Jimbo sent me Tom’s add. Sent Tom a message. And I was like:

 

“No way! I’ve seen this guy before. I’ve seen him online and shit, he’s hardly from, …”

 

And then I thought because it was Geelong, I thought they were Geelong. I was like:

 

“No way these cunts, …”

 

Because I was looking for White guys to train with in Geelong. I didn’t want to go to Melbourne to train.

 

But anyway it turns out they were Melbourne. And he was like:

 

“Oh, come down Saturday.”

 

And that was to where we always train in the park. You know the one?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And I was like:

 

“Fuck, I wasn’t planning on going to Melbourne!”

 

Like I wanted to train locally. I fucking work in Melbourne, I travel from Geelong to Melbourne every day. The last thing I want to be doing is going in a Saturday as well.

 

So I went in and I said to myself, I thought about it and I was like, I’m a big advocate of your gut. Trust your gut on everything. I always say:

 

“Your gut is God talking to you, or is the universe talking to you! Like your head will lie to you. Your heart will lie to you, but your gut never does!”

 

And sometimes you might not listen to it, but it never lies to you. So I was like:

 

“Just trust your gut, go meet the guy.”

 

So I went, met the guys and trained properly. I was training, but not properly. And it was the first time I trained properly, trained pretty hard with the guys. Ended up getting sick after training! And then we went to have a barbecue after training, and the guys were talking about blueberries and gardening and like, just all fucking wholesome shit! And I was just trusting my gut. I just felt at home straight away. I was like, my normie mates are talking about drink, drug, coke, prostitutes, …

 

Tim Lutze: Late 30s.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And I’m like, all my normie mates are fucking talking about all this degenerate shit! And the most wholesome thing to talk about is sports ball!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: You know what I mean? And so I was training. Straight away, I was like:

 

“These are the guys for me!”

 

And then it was just a weird thing like that, I’ve been here for fucking 13 years. I’m ready to go back to Ireland, and the universe introduces me to Thomas Sewell and Jimbo Roberts! To me, that’s, “you are where I need you”.

 

[1:36:32]

 

Tim Lutze: The Organisation was very different then.

 

Graham Connolly: It was tiny. There was six guys training the first time I turned up.

 

Tim Lutze: The guys are different.

 

Graham Connolly: The guys were different! Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, I could name the guys that were there, but I won’t. But it was basically like just there was six guys and me. But the whole thing for me, though, was that I’m here 13 years, I’m ready to go back to Ireland and the universe, God, the universe, whatever you want to call it, introduces me to Tom Sewell!

 

Tim Lutze: And how long was it?

 

Graham Connolly: So how is that trust your gut moment and go:

 

“Well, this is where you’re supposed to be?”

 

And I really, ever since then, I’ve gone from strength to strength and happiness, like back to the Juden Peterson thing. You find meaning, you find happiness to an extent. And not that I was ever an unhappy person, but now I’m in real life fighting for my people.

 

And for me, it’s actually the meme, “No More Brother Wars”, to me I live that every day. Because I put on my NSN jacket which has a fucking Union Jack on it!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Now, I grew up, you couldn’t even wear a pair of Reebok runners in Ireland because they have Union Jack on them! And it’s not even a hatred or anything. It’s just the way it is! You have that conflict there.

 

And so for me to put on the NSN jacket with Union Jack on it and to embody that, to me, that is me putting my mouth, my spirit, my soul, where my belief system is!

 

Tim Lutze: Can someone ask Justin Barrett* if he’s okay with Graham Connolly wearing a Union Jack? Can we get him to comment on that?

 

[* Justin Barrett is an Irish far-Right and NS political activist. He was leader of the National Party from 2016 until July 2023; from then until 2025 both he and his former deputy, James Reynolds, both claimed sole leadership of the party. Barrett’s activism began in the 1990s, with the anti-abortion campaign group Youth Defence. He campaigned against the Treaty of Nice in 2002 and founded the National Party in 2016. Barrett and the National Party campaigned for a No vote in the 2018 abortion referendum through the Abortion Never campaign, which functioned as “an Irish nationalist anti-abortion campaign”. Wikipedia]

 

Graham Connolly: Hopefully he’ll understand where I’m coming from in this is my path. I love Justin Barrett. Justin Barrett’s my man! I’ve advocated for him.

 

Tim Lutze: The [word unclear] boys are awesome!

 

Graham Connolly: Awesome! Absolutely awesome! Fuck the cool cunts, the optic cucks!

 

Tim Lutze: The recent march they did is just another example of Leftist violence that’s going to go uninvestigated.

 

Graham Connolly: Absolutely! 100%. Yep. Now, these guys are solid. They represent National Socialism in Ireland, Nationalists in Ireland.

 

And I think he’ll understand it. I think he’ll understand this was my part. This is the journey I’ve been on. No more brother wars boys! We got to put aside our differences for now. Like to crusades. The boys in the Crusades put aside their differences for a greater good, to drive Islam out of Europe or whatever. The Spartan kicked Islam back out of Europe, and then they went back to bickering!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: We need to Spartan kick the jews out of Europe and then we can go back to bickering later. That’s the way I look at it. That’s what I look at for now.

 

And at the end of the day, we have a lot more in common now. Hey, it’s like that meme again:

 

“We’re a lot more alike than we are different!”

 

We have a lot more in common now than we are different.

 

We are losing our country! Like in Ireland, the Irish are losing their country! In England, the English are losing their country! They can argue all they like and bicker all they like, but the reality is they’re going to be bickering and bickering to the last man, then turn around and there’s nothing!

 

Tim Lutze: Somalians!

 

Graham Connolly: There’s nothing but Somalians standing behind them! Behind both of them. There’s no more Whites left! So put aside the differences just for now. And fight for each other. Fight for the greater good. Fight for England, fight for Ireland, fight for Scotland, fight for France, Germany, Sweden! We need to put them all aside, boys, and we need to save our collective tribes.

 

And I think we can only do it together. I don’t know whether the universe wanted me here so that I could realise that. It had to take me out of that and put me somewhere else so I had a bird’s eye view of it.

 

The only way out is like, I think what would scare the jews more than anything is a massive rally with Irish nationalists, English nationalists, French nationalists, German nationals!

 

Tim Lutze: We’re the real globalists.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. But a rally with all of them representing their own people at the same fucking rally! Because they’re all fighting against the same enemy.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Let’s be honest here!

 

Tim Lutze: Oswald Mosely* tier. He sort of wanted a European Union of nationalists.

 

[* Oswald Mosley-British aristocrat and fascist politician (1896–1980) Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet, was a British aristocrat and politician who rose to fame during the 1920s and 1930s when, disillusioned with mainstream politics, he turned to fascism. He was Member of Parliament for Harrow from 1918 to 1924 and for Smethwick from 1926 to 1931. Wikipedia]

 

Graham Connolly: Oh, nice! This is the thing. This is my own. I don’t know Mosley. I do know Mosley, but I haven’t, …

 

Tim Lutze: You know, he talks about European Union, so people sort of hate on him for that. But what he was going for is that nationalists in Europe need to be, …

 

[See: David Frost – Interview with Oswald Mosley – Nov 15, 1967 – Transcript]

 

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Graham Connolly: Yeah. Like, we can be united. Separate, but united in our separate separatism or whatever.

 

Tim Lutze: I like the quote about chasing happiness. There’s few times in my life where I was truly happy, and it was probably every time I won a fight because you just put so much into it. That’s true happiness.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. You earned it.

 

Tim Lutze: I remember when the gym was completed and I was sitting on the steps and the boys were sparring with each other in the ring. We literally just built, … The bags were against the wall. They weren’t hanging or nothing. And I was just sitting there like:

 

“Oh, fuck we did it! I’m happy!”

 

And then when before that when I bought my house, I was happy because I put a roof over my family’s head. But since I’ve been a White nationalist, and my family have said this to me, is that I haven’t looked happy for a long time. And it’s because I’m trying to achieve something like buying a house or building a gym or winning a fight.

 

Graham Connolly: But it’s big!

 

Tim Lutze: But I haven’t achieved it.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s big, man! This is big!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So I haven’t had a true happy moment since I’ve become a White nationalist. And that’s because I haven’t achieved my goal yet.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And I won’t have another happy moment until that. Things do make me feel good, my new child and stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: But I’m not chasing happiness. I’m not looking for happiness. I’m looking to accomplish and for meaning. So yeah, I like the idea of not chasing happiness.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So do I tim Lutze: Because it’s not what I’m doing. It’s not what I’ve sacrificed everything I’ve built. I don’t want to sacrifice all that for happiness.

 

Graham Connolly: I don’t want cheap endorphins either anymore. I want well earned, hard earned endorphins, hard earned dopamine that you got, …

 

Tim Lutze: You did have a Kit Kat, earlier!

 

Graham Connolly: You gave me that though. That was bad influence by you!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Fucking Anglos! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah. So how long were you training before the first time you met me? It’s hard when you come to training because, …

 

Graham Connolly: It’s hard to remember, but, …

 

Tim Lutze: I think maybe there’s 20 or something when I came.

 

Graham Connolly: But yeah, I think probably a couple of months. Like what month did you come in?

 

Tim Lutze: I was like, August maybe.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, I started in March, so it would have been March to August probably. And when you turned up I, in the first round of sparring and I was like:

 

“I buy you!”

 

And that was cuz it was 15%. [chuckling] And we escalate as we go up. I was like:

 

“I got to get this fucking boxer guy out of the way when it’s 15%! [chuckling] ”

 

But you always look after everybody like you’re a, good sparring partner.

 

Tim Lutze: What I tell the boys when I’m training them and what, or it’s just what should be standard is there’s all different levels, there’s all different weights. And some guys, you can only put them with guys that are capable because some guys only have one gear.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And we all know they are.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s true.

 

Tim Lutze: They have one gear and they go on that gear and people get hurt, but, like when you have a lot of experience, I’ll spar anyone and I’ll do enough just to beat them.

 

Graham Connolly: You always do that!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, just to beat them! Even if they’re swinging hard. I’ll just be point fighting, but when I lose around, it’s because you’ve beat me. It’s because you’ve beat me and I’ve gone, …

 

Graham Connolly: Which is like almost never now! Because it’s never actually, it’s actually never because we don’t have somebody at your level. That’s unfortunate for you, though, that you don’t get pushed that hard.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I miss going to other gyms and I miss getting beat up!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: It happens in kickboxing. I get beat up sometimes in kickboxing. I don’t like kickboxing, that’s uncivil. Keep your legs on the ground. Stand and deliver.

 

Graham Connolly: Man, that’s a very Irish, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I have to do it at Nationals and stuff. Yeah. I don’t appreciate it. You know, I would rather there be like a boxing tournament, where we can act like gentlemen, not like animals, you know, horses, …

 

Graham Connolly: I [chuckling] have to say, I was the same growing up, but then when I came over and started kickboxing, I kind of was a soccer player. So even without having technique, I kind of have power in my kicks. And I just like that it adds a different, …

 

Tim Lutze: Where I grew up you keep your feet on the ground. Only if the guy’s on the ground do you put the boot into them! [chuckling] While you’re standing with someone, keep your feet on the ground, keep your foot, … That’s how it is.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Fair.

 

Tim Lutze: So I always tell the guys:

 

“Do enough just to win! If you’re way better than the guy, just do enough to win! Keep it competitive.”

 

But if you’re two guys equal skill, not every week, but every now and then, if you’re two guys equal skill have a nice competitive spar with each other. Don’t brawl. Keep your technique and have a good competitive spar.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

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Tim Lutze: We’re all trying to build each other up. So I can go with a guy whose first day is boxing and make it look competitive.

 

Graham Connolly: Hey, I was thinking of, because we should probably wrap up now. Part two has been an hour and 45 minutes. So that’s three hours total now.

 

And I don’t know, we’re playing with this concept of you nominate the next guest.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep.

 

Graham Connolly: And then I gotta chase that mother fucker down, whoever it is.

 

Tim Lutze: Okay.

 

Graham Connolly: So you can nominate somebody, and I guess it puts a little, I go:

 

“Look, you’ve been nominated by Tim Lutze. You gotta come on!”

 

Tim Lutze: All right, I’ll nominate Ralph Babet.

 

Graham Connolly: Babet! [chuckling] We’re talk about Caramel Island for three hours! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, well, maybe he’ll come on! [chuckling] Yeah, if he doesn’t, I’ll make it a little easier. Then I’ll nominate big Blair Cottrell!

 

Graham Connolly: Oh, yeah, Blair. Lovely. All right, I’ll chase down Blair.

 

Tim Lutze: Clip that. Send that to Blair.

 

Graham Connolly: Do we send it to Babet first? Are you just joking?

 

Tim Lutze: No, no, send it to Babet. You know, I don’t want to make Blair, …

 

Graham Connolly: No, no, no, of course not. I’d love to have Blair on it, like, whenever, really. But, yeah, I thought you were joking about Babet.

 

Tim Lutze: I am joking.

 

Graham Connolly: If it was possible, it’d be funny. He’d never do it.

 

Tim Lutze: Nah.

 

Graham Connolly: But not yet, anyway. But so, really, it’s Blair Cottrell.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s Blair Cottrell.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Awesome! That’d be actually really good! I love Blair. He’s a great guy.

 

Tim Lutze: Well, thanks for having me. I think your mom wants her basement back.

 

Graham Connolly: Thanks for coming in! All right, let’s call it there.

 

Tim Lutze: Thank you.

 

Graham Connolly: Cheers, man! Thanks for coming over.

 

Tim Lutze: Hail victory! Blood and honour!

 

Graham Connolly: Hail victory! Blood and honour! Take care.

 

 

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ded_kelly
13 hours ago
Fantastic shows, both parts. Looking forward to more. Hail Victory! Blood and Honour!
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Jacobg1
14 hours ago
Really enjoyed this, it is a great way for us to hear from some of the less prominant guys. We’ve all seen Tim and know we get to know him & understand him a little more. Seems like a really solid guy. Would be great if you did more interviews with more of the less prominant but familiar faces like Jimbo or Nathan
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WhiteGermanS
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Graham speaking about trusting your gut feeling and fate of being put somewhere for a greater purpose by a higher power. I truely believe this is our destiny, we have been called upon by our forefathers, best we make them proud!
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KineticKelticKlansman
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100%. Thanks for watching brother. The Universe lays a path out in front of us and we can either embrace it or reject it. I feel that everytime we reject the path for whatever reason, we lose a part of ourselves until eventually there is nothing left. Like many boomers we see today, over time becoming empty shells. A shadow of what they should have been. We have a lot of work to do. Recovery is never easy.
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palacepony
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Graham, you present with a good positive energy. As does Tim. Really like what you org fellas are doing in the media space. Thank you
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Snow_Whitee
1 day ago
Oh Tim is the guy who got his car firebombed and they basically took the piss out of it in the media? Disgusting. Don’t be too hard on Monica Smit, if it weren’t for her posting about her disgust at you guys attending the rally and posting a screenshot from Thomas’s telegram I wouldn’t have ever gone there to look into it and finally come to my senses. So she was good for something . Good to hear the Irish blokes story too. I used to be actually quiet racist even towards the English, Irish and Scottish etc taking over my town but now realise how retarded that is, I’m slowing undoing my retardation.. I honestly cannot believe how much everyone hates you guys when I see you boys as the actual literal definition of what REAL MEN are. I hope your numbers will continue to grow Looking forward to Blair’s interview Ive actually been reading about the true blue crew, lads society and UPF. Shame one of those originals converted to Islam wtaf??
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KineticKelticKlansman
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Haha thank you Monica. Thanks for watching and sharing a little of your own story.
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Snow_Whitee
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Lol. Like you, I didn’t know I was a National Socialist. I watched a Nazi from Germany say “I believe one doesn’t just become a National Socialist at some point, but sooner or later you realise you’ve always been one” and I couldn’t agree more. Anyway thanks again for all you do!
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CanadianGirlRumble
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Graham is too close to his mic which makes him sound too loud and louder than the guest, great show though
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KineticKelticKlansman
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Yea and i didn’t realise until I listened back. Disappointing but its a learning experience. Thanks for watching and thanks for the feedback
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pozgaylia
2 days ago
been hanging for this after part 1. great stuff lads. thanks for the 2 part kino \o
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katana17
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[The Offaly Offensive – Tim Lutze – Part 2 – Sep 27, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/09/27/the-offaly-offensive-tim-lutze-part-2-sep-27-2025-transcript/ [In Part 2 Graham Connolly continues with his talk with Aussie nationalist and State Leader of White Australia Tim Lutze about how his boxing gym, Legacy, was forced to close, and subsequent involvement in political rallies with the NSN, including the recent massive March for Australia event. – KATANA] [TRANSCRIPT – Words: 22,475 – Duration: 107 mins] [The Offaly Offensive – Tim Lutze – Part 1 – Sep 20, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/09/24/the-offaly-offensive-tim-lutze-part-1-sep-20-2025-transcript/
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john252025
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irish bloke , you’re not in a shouting competition !!! STOP SHOUTING OVER AND INTERRUPTING YOUR GUEST !!! ALSO YOUR MICROPHONE IS TOO CLOSE AND YOUR VOLUME WAY TOO HIGH – UNWATCHABLE DUE TO YOUR LACK OF IMPULSE CONTROL.
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Yea noted. Honestly thought the mic needed to be close. Always see other podcasters telling their guests to pull the mic close. Its the 1st one. Learn from it and do better next time.
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StalwartAU
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2 days ago
Lol, this might be a bit much … host is doing great for his first swing at it, and ought to do many more. All learning experiences.
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MonThirteen
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Calm down mate. He will get the hang of it.
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kismet208
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Did you join rumble just to make this comment aye
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StalwartAU
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Good interview, but man, let your guest do the talking. Prompt, by all means, but don’t interrupt and attempt to finish his points. Looking forward to more.
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Yea I appreciate the feedback. TBH, we’re such close mates and I was kinda between minds whether the concept of the podcast is an “interview” or more a chat and a bit of banter. Just a chill fireside chat. I’ve never attempted anything remotely like this before, lots to improve on but it’ll get better. Cheers for watching.
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katana17
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For first time both these chats/interviews are quite interesting, so please do more. That said, and as I’m making transcripts of them, your interruptions are very obvious and can be a bit much at times, as us listeners what to here it from Tim! Cheers.
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KineticKelticKlansman
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I appreciate that brother. I care so ill definitely try my best to do better with Blair. I don’t know Blair as well as I know Tim so I think that will help as I’m really interested to get to know him.
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MonThirteen
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Another great chat. Well done gentlemen. o/
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Thanks brother o/
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I’m a sister lol
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Antifa ‘..head-butting our hands and feet’
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Joel Davis: Live. It is the 26 September 2024. Another episode of the show.

 

We’re back on Twitter. We had an incredible viewership on Twitter last week. We got way more views on Twitter than we get on any other platform. But our Rumble audience sustained. We got the same amount of views on the Rumble stream as we did the week before. Plus all these extra Twitter views. A big expansion of the audience just from broadcasting to Twitter now.

 

So as I said last week, I can’t believe we didn’t do this earlier, but it’s really nice to get that kind of response. And it feels like the show, man, I remember going back to last year when my YouTube was banned. We had a Joel and Blair show YouTube account that was banned. Then my YouTube was banned. I think Blair got a YouTube account banned as well. So we got hammered! We got completely wiped out on YouTube, and that was a real blow.

 

And then we were shunted onto Rumble. And we were already on Odysee and Cozy, but we’re shunted onto Rumble and we have to build up from scratch on Rumble.

 

And then this year, we got the Rumble audience back up to where it peaked on YouTube and then actually went past the peak YouTube audience. So we grew the show bigger on Rumble than it ever was on YouTube, and that felt like an achievement.

 

And then we then just now added a Twitter audience that then more than doubled the audience that we already had. So being de-platformed off YouTube has never been this good. Fuck YouTube! We don’t need YouTube. We’re now pulling, you know, three times the audience for the show that we were pulling when we were on YouTube a year ago. So that feels really good that we were able to withstand that hit. That really sucked at the time. And it felt a lot., … You know, if you told me a year in a year’s time, the show will have three times as many viewers, even though you’re still banned from YouTube, I would have probably not believed you. So kudos to everyone tuning in. Feels really good that we were able to basically take that blow and keep soldering on. Fuck YouTube! Fuck Google! Fuck ZOG! Hail Elon Musk! Hail our people!

 

But anyway, let’s get into the show. Blair, you want to? It’s grand final weekend here in Australia, and that means for Victorians, we don’t have to go to work tomorrow. So that’s pretty sick. But sports ball is kind of gay. I’m sure they’ll do some, like, gay abo [Aboriginal] shit at the beginning and maybe some just gay actual gay shit as well. Sometimes they Chuck that in with the gay abo shit! So I won’t be watching it. I don’t give a fuck about it! But you had some thoughts.

 

Blair Cottrell: Big sports ball weekend. That’s what we’re about to experience, especially in Victoria. Victoria was the birthplace of the Australian Football League [AFL] or Aussie Rules football.

 

So everyone’s looking forward to four days off. The holidays begin tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, Sunday is the sort of sporting experience, sports ball experience. And then I think Monday people get off as well. And there’s a real retard vibe out there. I just went to the gym and got home a little bit late and people are driving erratically, lining up at bottle shops, takeaway food shops and just getting in the way and being more retarded than usual. And it’s because this is the last day they had to work before sportsball weekend. So they’re just very excited for that reason and more retarded than usual for that reason as well.

 

A little bit frustrating for me because I’m completely disconnected from the public consciousness. I’m able to feel it, but I’m not connected to it. I’m still removed, so I can observe it, I can sort of read it, but it doesn’t rub off on me so much and I just want to go about my business as normal. But not everyone is as cynical as I am.

 

So I’m not trying to say you can’t enjoy your football. Like, we have a big sporting culture in Australia and I come from an AFL family myself, so I can appreciate it. Some watch, some somewhat. There’s a certain sort of soldierly aspect to the football player. They do do a lot of intensive training and they do have a lot of personal pride and team pride, like that sort of camaraderie, you might say that similar to like a battalion, or a political group like the like you boys are involved in.

 

So I can appreciate it, I can respect it. But the average peasant that sort of goes to the sports ball games and gets all hysterical and drunk and who looks forward to drinking a lot and taking a lot of drugs on sportsball weekends, they’re out in force right now and it’s just a little bit annoying.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I think there’s something special about it. Whenever you talk to non-Whites and they mention Australian culture, it’s the first thing that they do mention. They say:

 

“Oh, yeah, foottie and beer and meat pies.”

 

And look, I think football can be saved. I think certainly when we take state power we can certainly de-commercialise football, refocus on its localness and we can do a lot for football. We can make sports ball great again, certainly.

 

And as you said, there’s a martial component to it which is valuable. Australian soldiers were so highly regarded in the First and Second World War because we’re like a footy nation, like we’re a sporting nation and the Germans, the British. There’s lots of historical accounts of commentary on how Australian and New Zealand soldiers were of great stock and just great physical composition. And a lot of it is due to better diet and better exercise. So and just being a new colony as well. But I won’t get too caught up in that.

 

[05:34]

 

But what I will say about the weekend is I think the whole experience that go like, because I talk to the guys that work about, I am connected to it in the sense that everyone I work with, I’m the alien. Everyone I work with is obsessed with football. And I don’t want to get too like a psychoanalysis on it, but there’s something about the process, the ecstasis and the catharsis. There’s something about cheering and being disappointed or cheering and being happy at the end. There is some sort of strange spiritual, there is a metaphysics to it, certainly, that they, that does exist within the psyche of the majority of the population that should be nurtured and taken care of in a positive way. Obviously it’s been commercialised. It’s been made gay and pro-aboriginal and all this sort of nonsense! So obviously it’s been hijacked.

 

My main criticism of the nationalists that came before us is in Australia is their lack of, and I mean before us. I’m talking about the generation before. It’s not five years before we came on the scene, but the people that were around 30, 40 years before UPF [United Patriots Front] existed, or we came on the scene, they should have focused on AFL. If they had focused in the seventies and eighties on politicizing AFL for the Right-wing and bringing about a will to power and making that a central part of Australian nationalism back then, the movement as a whole would be just so well established. Because in Europe we have these intergenerational nationalists, intergenerational families of nationalists that did this at the end of the Second World War.

 

And a lot of the firms in England and a lot of the hooligan clubs in Europe, most of them are National Socialists or fascists or just very, very Right-wing. And that took a long time to develop that culture, that subculture within the football. And football in Europe is very political! But in America and Australia it’s very gay! It’s very anti-political. It’s very depoliticised to the point where it’s just anti-White. It’s so non-political that they’re then in the absence of a political nature of the sport, the state apparatus and the corporate state apparatus have managed to infiltrate and put their astroturf, fake culture, not a grassroots nationalist culture, which is what it should be.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s modern day coliseum. It’s just the coliseum. There’s a tribal aspect to the energy there. It’s something we’ve failed to tap into politically, but not entirely. We did take a banner to the footy once, remember? Probably 2016, I think that was.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, that caused such an hysterical reaction from the AFL official community. I mean, like the AFL administrative officers, because they couldn’t believe that someone had the guts [chuckling] to actually walk in there with a Right-wing banner and display it right in front of the scoreboard in front of everyone in the middle of a game!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Blair Cottrell: And they realised that they can’t actually stop people from doing that. Like, all we did was put that banner under my shirt. I just wore a baggy jacket and I walked in and paid for my ticket.xLike, anyone. And how are they able to identify everyone who’s going in there? That’s a lot. There’s like hundreds of how many people. Tens of thousands of people going into that.

 

Joel Davis: Especially if you larp as a fat guy!

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, well, that’s actually exactly what I did. What was the game? It was Essendon versus.

 

Thomas Sewell: Collingwood.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, yeah. And I bought an oversized Collingwood jacket. I didn’t even support Collingwood just to conceal the banner and I never wore it again. I don’t know what happened to that jacket. [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Your dad’s probably got it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Maybe, [chuckling] but Dad tends to wear the baggier jackets. He’s of that generation.

 

But the point was there’s no way they can actually stop us doing stuff like that. I’m kind of disappointed that no one’s done anything like that since. And even in us, I suppose, for not replicating that kind of activity. But who knows? Plenty of potential for that in the future.

 

Thomas Sewell: We’ll get back to it. We’re just trying to build up the footy boy culture at the moment. So it’s important, I think, for there to be an innate organic culture of people that already go to the footy.

 

And so we’ve recruited a lot of people this year and probably 5% are avid football fans, which is an improvement from the 0% that we’ve had in the past. Most people that we’ve recruited over the years have wanted nothing to do with AFL, just because of its de-politicisation and its anti-White nature.

 

But now that we’re becoming larger as a movement, we are starting to tap into a bit more sportsball fans, which is good. I actually appreciate that. I want that. I want to build a subculture of people that like that.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, we’ve definitely been too dismissive of football fans as though they’re beneath our politics for some reason, which is a little bit arrogant, I think we should really be tapping into the, …

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s got to be a class marriage, there’s got to be a class marriage and there’s different classes of politically active people. And what we need to focus on. We’ve been a Spearhead for a long time. We need to focus on, “inclusivity” is a bad dirty word these days, but we do need to focus on mobilising further classes of political agency.

 

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Joel Davis: Yeah, I think I understand the take. Though, when people say:

 

“Oh, look at all these grown men giving so much emotion and concern for some football team, but they put absolutely zero time, effort, resources or emotion into saving their nation or the existential threat that our people feel.”

 

And I do have that contempt myself. I do understand it.

 

So I get that. But you said this before, Tom, and I agree we kind of need to pick one team and put all the racist energy behind them and make them the racist team.

 

And so all the Lefties, like, start hating that particular team and then they become notorious. And then young racists get, …

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s already happened to some degree, like the wogs*. The wogs notoriously support Carlton. Carlton’s notoriously supported by wogs. And Collingwood is like the team of the White Aussie Bogans. So that already organically took place to some degree.

 

[* Wog is a racial slur used to refer, in British English, to black and South Asian people, and, in Australian English, to people from the Mediterranean region. Whilst it is extremely derogatory in British English, in Australian English it may be considered non-offensive depending on how the word is used, due to reclamation and changing connotations. Wikipedia]

 

Thomas Sewell: And St Kilda is the team of the coke snorting builders.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah! [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: I remember a friend of ours, Patrick O’Sullivan, shout out to Patrick O’Sullivan.

 

Thomas Sewell: Shout out to the Reverend!

 

Joel Davis: Hail Combat 18 and death to ZOG!

 

Anyway, he said that back in the day, St Kilda, because St Kilda is a very jewish area in Melbourne. It’s like one of the most jewish suburbs of Melbourne for those who are foreigners and don’t know. Their football team, it actually has the red, white and black.

 

So it’s the same colours as, like the Imperial German colours. And the jews got very upset about this and lobbied for it to be changed and obviously it was unsuccessful. So that’s kind of like a funny piece of history.

 

But yeah, I think we got to pick a team and make them the Nazi team. I don’t know which team it is, but like when we figure it out, let me know. I’ll buy all the gear, I’ll wrap it and, … It’ll happen organically.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’ll happen organically.

 

Joel Davis: I’ll be a watching the games. And yeah, I’ll get into, …

 

Blair Cottrell: [words unclear] Victorian thing.

 

Thomas Sewell: A series of players and they’ll refuse to do the latest jargon, whatever the latest political humiliation ritual is. Eventually, like we saw with that Welcome to Country recently, was that the semi-final or the preliminary?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think so.

 

Thomas Sewell: And how many of those players were looking at the ground or scoffing. So the body language is already like, …

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s already resisting.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, there is a resistance and all it’s going to take is one, similar to, there was a scandal probably five or six years ago with an islander rugby player that didn’t he say something on Facebook about how like:

 

“Fags aren’t going to heaven.”

 

Blair Cottrell: Folau or Falou?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, he said something on Facebook like:

 

“Gays aren’t going to heaven.”

 

Joel Davis: He’s a Mormon.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And then the NRL tried to remove him and then I think he took them to court. I can’t remember whether he won or lost, but that set a really important precedence that you can stand up to these institutions and there is going to be a lot of support from the public and it is worth dragging it through the courts. It is worth not necessarily being a political Martyr, but it is worth taking a stand, win or lose.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, it would be good to, …

 

Thomas Sewell: It’ll happen again.

 

Joel Davis: Like if, like one of these teams, if they do like a mass walk off of the Welcome to Country, then, okay, we’ll get behind them. NSN will be at the next game. [chuckling] We’ll be there shaking around the scarves or whatever.

 

But I guess one thing about AFL, which is good is that it is a very White sport. Like if you watch the English Premier League or the NFL or like the equivalent in other countries, which they are, there’s a lot of non-Whites. Like, it’s almost majority non-White, I would say, like these leagues. I know they’re completely different sports. But AFL is like even that now they’re starting to bring some blacks into its still like 95% White.

 

Thomas Sewell: They’re doing programs. So if you’re Aboriginal or black, you’re, they’re being hyper selected. There’s a lot of programs at the moment for Sudanese youth and for Aboriginal youth to just play footy full-time. They’re just trying to astroturf the sport full of brown people. There’s no such thing for Whites, for White kids. If you’re a twelve year old, 14 year old, you’re a White kid at high school, there’s no programme for you to just play footy full-time.

 

But when I was doing Resi-care because all the kids on paper were written down as Aboriginal, even though they weren’t, they all had these openings. They all could, because they weren’t going to school anyway. So they can just go to this like, this football thing. Especially in the Northern Territory and wherever, like there’s like refugees being sent. And the purpose of it is to inorganically stack the AFL. To basically branch stack it. They basically want to branch stack it. They want to fudge the statistics, they want to fudge the representation.

 

Blair Cottrell: Do you reckon the way Australian football, like the rules are set up, it makes it a sport that’s kind of favours the Anglo Saxon predisposition, genetic predisposition, because it’s not just endurance, but you need ball skills, team skills, you need to work together as a unit. There’s a great deal of discipline that goes into being a professional footballer in that field.

 

[16:24]

 

Thomas Sewell: I wouldn’t say Anglo Saxon. I would say, and it’s ironic that it is your exact racial description. I would say it favours Celto-Nordics. I would say it’s a sport that favours the Nordic, the traditional German racial classification of what Nordics are and favours, I think. And it’s, and it comes from a Celtic background. I mean, its origin is a modified version of Gaelic football, which again, was a martial art designed by the Celts to maintain an army under British occupation. Basically all Celtic sports were built like that.

 

And that’s why we did it. That’s why we’ve done it for a long time, why it’s absolutely crucial we continue to do it.

 

And obviously because it favours the longer, the longer tendon and limb length. You know, most footballers are quite tall and long limbed, like all sort of running and throwing sports. Yeah, they’re lean, they’re endurant. It doesn’t necessarily favour like kind of Denarids or lower Saxons or like short, stocky guys or mountainous people. It doesn’t really suit that kind of type. It suits the kind of Nordic plain runners. So and, but there’s that type. There’s that build. There’s that AFL build in almost every race except probably Asians. There is that build. But obviously, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, there’s no Chinaman playing AFL.

 

Thomas Sewell: No. And obviously there’s a lot of reasons for that, but, yeah, they certainly don’t organically have that kind of build. It’s suited or Celto-Nordics. And unfortunately, Central Africans. Central Africans are going to be very good at it if they can stack enough of them with it.

 

So if they can run programs to promote Central Africans,

 

Joel Davis: Which they are.

 

Thomas Sewell: West Africans are too fast, twitch. They’re probably better for rugby and power sports. And East Africans are too endurant, they’re too brittle. So, but Central Africans are a hybrid of the two. So they would actually make good AFL players if the sport was to be played over there, unfortunately. That doesn’t mean I’m not a racist anymore! That’s just a genetic fact.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, well, family members of mine that have been draughted and have played in the past, they’re all long limbs sprinters, jumpers, lean endurance. So that there’s something to what you’re saying for sure.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And what the advantage of the Whiteman is, it’s just that we’ve got the brain on the sporting field or on the battlefield. The Whiteman didn’t conquer Africa or these other continents because we’re like infinitely physically superior in terms of muscle mass or strength, although we’re definitely a lot better than Indians. Indian men have lower upper body strength than White women. That’s a fact. Which is, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Even grip strength.

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, yeah. Upper body strength, grip strength.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s interesting because that makes them bad rapists! You’d think that’d be like, …

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s why they’re gang rapists.

 

Blair Cottrell: Oh right! They need to work together. I see, I see.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s how their continent works.

 

But, yeah, certainly the reason why we’ve been such great conquerors and the reason why we also, as a race, good sportsmen or kind of obsessed with sports is more to do with the tactics involved in the sport. You don’t win by just being more athletic than the opposition. You win by having better teamwork and better communication. And that’s where the Whiteman excels.

 

So when you take away all the White coaches and all the White culture and all the White establishment around these English soccer teams, for example, and it’s just Africans coaching Africans. They’re not going to be as good as the White team. You know, they’re only good because they’re propped up.

 

I think Hitler says something in Mein Kampf about how you can basically, you can teach an African to do an opera or to be a conductor, or you can teach an African to play a musical instrument and do jazz, or you can teach an African to be a politician, even. Like one day they might in France. I think he makes like this little subtle mock of the French saying, like:

 

“One day there’ll be African politicians in France. They’ll manage to teach one like that.”

 

But ultimately it’s still a Whiteman that taught him to do that. So that’s an important distinction. That’s straight MK, that’s straight Mein Kampf. That’s important to know.

 

Blair Cottrell: Straight Pastor Manning too. Remember Pastor Manning? He said:

 

“Talk to a black man. I don’t care! He could be an astrophysicist, or a doctor. You talk to him. He’s got no fucking sense!”

 

I [chuckling] remember that Pastor Manning. If no one’s seen Pastor Manning, it’s kind of an old meme now, but it’s still a good laugh if you can find it.

 

Thomas Sewell: The only sense Africans make is when they’re talking about women, especially their own women. They understand their own women very well.

 

Blair Cottrell: And is that why they avoid them? [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: [chuckling] That’s why they make good comedians, because they usually just complain about women and they’re really funny when do it, because it’s just spot on! They know exactly what’s going on there. Because they’re operating on a lower Chakra. Their masters of like the lowest dimension because that’s where they live. That’s where they’re always gyrating and moving their hips around because all their energy is actually in their, … They don’t have any higher Chakra.

 

Joel Davis: The use the word “arse” to describe everything.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, everything’s “arse, shit”.

 

Joel Davis:

 

“Yo, arse! Oh, yeah, I saw y’all arse down the street. You know what I mean?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, yeah. Between their dick and their ass, that’s where all their energy is. That’s why their pants are saggy. Like, they crip walk. All their energy is down there. So they understand that realm quite well because that’s where they live. They live in the shit!

Blair Cottrell: Harsh [chuckling] but fair! Yeah, well, look, we’ve begun by talking about football. We’ve unbelievably segued into a racial discussion. What are we going to bring it back to, what’s our next subject?

 

Joel Davis: Let’s actually get into like the bread and butter of the show this evening because we’ve done a little bit of waiting for people to get in.

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s 1, 300 viewers and we’re just talking about sportsball. It’s hilarious!

 

Joel Davis: No, so let’s, what I wanted to discuss tonight, and it will bridge into another aspect of this, but I want to discuss the principle of building nationalism from the ground up. That’s what I titled the stream.

 

We’ve covered this kind of thing on the show before, but I think this is important to go back over and discuss it between three of us, because that’s basically what we’re trying to do. We believe that, not necessarily happy about it, that we have to build nationalism from the ground up. We would like to be able to cut the line. We’d like to be able to build it from the top down or skip a few stages ahead.

 

But we don’t see that as possible. We see that basically we’re in a position where we’re building from square one. Our ancestors have completely let us down and handed us down. They didn’t hand it a baton of anything. We’re like starting the race from the very beginning, from the very start line. And there’s a lot of people that agree with us on the problem. They agree with us that Whites are being replaced, Whites are being genocided. The jews are the primary enemy of our people.

 

But we’ve got all of these White traitors. We’ve got liberalism. We’ve got this kind of cucked humanitarian ideology permeating through our people that prevents us from seeing politics in the correct way. And that is kind of used, Holocaust narrative, colonialism narrative, et cetera, used to demonise us, demonise organising on behalf of White people. They’ll agree and have good talking points about on all these issues.

 

But then their view is that:

 

“Well, okay, but if we can just influence the conservative movement or if we can influence the current establishment and move into elite positions, there’s some way in which we can redirect the ship.”

 

And there’s all different kinds of approaches that more or less fit underneath these categories. And I would love that to be true!

 

A few years ago if I wind back the clock, you know, four years, five years, I thought more that maybe something like that could be possible and that maybe there would be elements of the elite that could be won over and that a strategy like that potentially could work. And I became disabused with that notion over time. And I’m sure you guys probably did as well at one point, have more of that kind of thought. Where you thought of more of a conservative mainstream political movement would be potentially enough.

 

But I think we’ve all seen enough and experienced enough, particularly in Australia. But this is true around the world where we don’t actually think that’s going to be possible. We realise that in order for White interests to be asserted politically, White people have to get organised from the grassroots! We have to come together at the absolute base foundation, bring our men together, bring our money together, and build from the ground up so that we can get to a position where we have enough power emanating from us as a people, independently from us as a people that isn’t subject to the Liberal ideology of the White traitors or to jewish interests or whatever, all these economic interests from people who profit from globalisation and the perpetuation of the status quo, but could instead, in a revolutionary way, assert White interests. Particularly and only because it’s fundamentally backed by White power, White people, White money for explicitly pro-White reasons. And that’s a very difficult thing to build. Because you’re trying to build from scratch against the hostile system. And it’s pretty hard to sell it at first. If you have a pre-existing institution, it’s easy to convince people to put their money and manpower and faith in it.

 

But when you’re starting from scratch and you only have a small amount of people and a dream and a vision, that’s quite difficult. But we see no other way. Because nothing exists in Australia that we can see that is filling that role. And so we’re basically starting from square one and trying to build something that could fill that role.

 

Blair Cottrell: What does starting from square one physically look like?

 

Joel Davis: It physically looks like, I think step one is what we’re doing is just trying to get White men organised around the principle of a no compromise White nationalism a pure White nationalism, a pure pro-White position around the country. And they’re going to be paying dues into the same pot and bringing along their wives and girlfriends and bringing their mates baby from work or something, or they went to school with. And we’re doing the streams like this. We’re putting the message out, we’re doing street activism and so on to put the message out:

 

“Hey, we exist! Hey, White Australia, someone’s going to stand on behalf of you! There’s actually another option than just passively accepting the kind of gradual genocide of our people and just trying to advance your own individual interests within the decaying and collapsing civilisation and a system that’s taking away more and more of your dignity and well being and your children’s future, piece by piece, every day. There is a resistance movement!”

 

As we grow larger, as we get more professional, that message will get louder, it will get more attractive, and we’ll bring in more and more people, and then they’ll make us able to make it louder and more attractive, and we’ll bring in more people and more resources and so on until we can swell to a size where we have enough men, and we have enough money and we’ve bought out a whole series of land, businesses. We’ve got people on the payroll of all these different specifications, and we have a parallel economy for our activists, so that we have a political party, we’re running political candidates, we’re full spectrum. We’re doing all the different functions. We’re doing a big conferences, we’ve got a sophisticated media arm and so on, where we are a serious, fully fledged, well funded political movement.

 

And when that exists, then we can present to White Australia a genuine political alternative. Like there is something else other than just voting for Liberal or Labour or maybe One Nation or the Greens, or something every four years. And that’s all politics is.

 

[28:48]

 

Blair Cottrell: I would like to see and contribute to, like manufacturing a popular counterculture from which we can siphon people. A counterculture that has working class Australians saying:

 

“Yeah, I’m a nationalist. Like, you got a problem with that? Fuck you!”

 

And the youth are saying:

 

“Yeah, I’m racist! Of course I’m racist. I’m not stupid!”

 

If we can create a counterculture like that, then people will say it’s kind of like, build it. And what do they say? If you build it, they will come. Yeah, yeah. So siphoning from a counterculture and helping, fostering, nurturing the growth of that kind of culture is the role I see myself playing personally.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. Well, the mission, the original mission statement for NSN, EAM has always been more of a community group focused on collating, collecting, and centralizing all the people that have this basic position. And that’s always been my main objective, is just:

 

“Okay, if you feel this way about the situation, let’s organise in real life.”

 

Because being on the Internet is not enough. And Jacob’s mission statement for NSN was, well, the first essay that he actually wrote and distributed through the NSN website, the original one before the jews had that one taken down, was about the nature of “metapolitics”, which is a word that gets thrown around a lot. Most people don’t understand it. But it’s about the idea that we need to make cultural changes or changes in the dialogue, changes in the dialectic, in the national conversation, if you want to call it that. There needs to be that change in how people perceive politics before this space, for political change. For actual political change, whether that’s Parliamentarian change or that’s change within the state apparatus. But there needs to be, first that culture shift. That needs to be. Yeah, I’ve already explained it. I won’t repeat it again, but that’s an important concept. You kind of have to go through a meta-political, grassroots focus.

 

Likewise with what I’ve always been focusing on. The strategy, not necessarily always, but since 2017, is about building loyalty at that grassroots level. What does grassroots nationalism look like to me? Well, it looks like loyal groups of men at a local level. And when all the loyal groups of men at a local level can meet up with each other, and then they can network with groups of men that aren’t necessarily local to them on a rare occasion, whether it’s once every month or once every three months or once a year, then you start to have some sort of political agency.

 

And this is why the jews have power. They don’t have power just because they have money. They have money because they have mobilisation and organisation power. Money is not the source of their power. Money is the medium of their power. Their power comes from their organisation. They organise together. They have synagogues.

 

Blair Cottrell: Their power comes from their racism, you might say.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, the power comes from their racism, which drives their mobilisation and organisation. Their racial consciousness, or their religious and racial consciousness breeds their, hyper selects, their organisational skills.

 

Blair Cottrell: And the most fundamental way that they can actually eliminate threats to their own community in that regard, or even ensure no one can challenge them, is to attack people in the most fundamental way, which is preventing other forms of racism from taking root.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Blair Cottrell: Like racism in different communities.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. If you can defeat racism in other groups, then you’re the dominant group.

 

And likewise, once you’ve defeated racism in other groups, then you can attack their ability to mobilise. So any group, like, of White people that are mobilising, but they’re not racist, well, then you can then enforce diversity quotas on them. You can say:

 

“Oh, you’re not racist. Well, how about you have some more refugees over here? And why aren’t you teaching the curriculum at your schools?”

 

Or, you know, any attempt you have at building parallel society without being explicit, is kind of like a temporary situation where you’re eventually going to meet your political, you’re going to hit a political brick wall, where, … A better way of putting it is you’re going to eventually meet your small Rubicon. You’re going to meet a, …

 

Blair Cottrell: You’ll hit an existential brick.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Blair Cottrell: Your whole existence will be cancelled out and changed.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. If you don’t cross that Rubicon, if you don’t go:

 

“Well, actually, this is the moment where our group are, …”

 

Whether it’s some sneaky project or not, at some point, you’re going to hit that Rubicon where it’s like you either cross the river and take back Rome, or you just, you stay forever on the other side, and you’re just attacked and attritioned into the abyss.

 

[33:42]

 

So I think it’s very important that, and I took some notes earlier, for people to really understand what strategy they should use, they should first assess what is going on with Western civilisation and what is going on with the White race. And the shortest way I can explain it is we’re going through a civilisational death, but death in itself is paired with life. It’s paired with rebirth. So death in itself, we can be black pilled about and we can say:

 

“Oh, it’s so sad that Western civilisation is collapsing.”

 

Or we can say:

 

“Well, hang on a minute. It’s lived its life cycle. It’s time for it to be reborn. Now, because it’s dying. It’s full of traitors, it’s full of cancer, it’s full of asbestos, it’s full of anything that’s basically attacking the healthy organs.”

 

And even though the organism is itself, the shell of the organism is dead, or at least very seriously dying, there are still healthy living parts within the cell.

 

And if you understand how a Venn diagram looks, my belief is that the cell needs to duplicate elsewhere. I don’t believe you can reform something that’s dead. You have to be revolutionary. You have to extract on a long enough timeline, you have to extract everything that is living, everything that is still healthy and beautiful and noble and upright. You have to extract that from the current civilisation and put it somewhere else, in a different space. It needs space. It needs distance. I call it authority through exclusion. Joel calls it the pathos of distance or space, but it needs to be separate, needs to be physically separate, culturally separate, even linguistically separate. It needs to be a completely separate entity. And eventually with separate borders as well, at a national level as a nation state.

 

And so this is not an immediate process. This civilisational mitosis, where it’s a single body like this, we’re all mixed into one and all atomized and alienated all in one. And for it to split into two different cells and we allow the other one to die on its own weight. It’ll fight of course, it’ll fight. It’ll have a, an attempt at dragging us down into hell with it, and we just have to not go down into hell with it. And if that means we have to fight it, then it means we have to.

 

Blair Cottrell: This has arguably happened organically with separation of certain groups from the motherland in England to America and Australia.

 

But as you said, there wasn’t an explicit enough understanding of a racial consciousness and identity, at least not a unified one, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, it’s happening also at a micro scale with White flight. Everyone’s already organically doing a it. And that’s important. You know, people overuse the statement, “I’ll lean into it”. What’s it, what does that look like? Okay, let’s lean into it. So we all just, we all just run away forever. We can’t do that forever, can we? But we do recognise that there is an energy where there’s healthy people within the system that are doing everything they can to kind of be slightly outside the system, and we have to continue to promote that culture.

 

And this is where the primary schism comes from between the two strategies, the reformists and the revolutionaries.

 

The reformists say, don’t do that! That’s downwards, backwards social mobility:

 

“Don’t do that! You should become a lawyer, you should get involved with the Liberal Party. Rah, rah, rah!”

 

And look, I’m sure there’s some talented people that can do that, and good on them and good luck with them. But on a long enough timeline, the Liberal Party is controlled, as Joel mentioned last show, by jews! It’s controlled by jewish money. And if we don’t mobilise and organise on explicitly racial lines, which means not reform, it means revolutionary strategy.

 

The only way for infiltration to work is actually just simply to support for people that exist within the system to support the mitosis. That’s really the only way infiltration will work, is to use their skills and their resources from within the decaying system to help rebuild the next system. And that takes a lot of money and takes a lot of skills and a lot of knowledge. And we don’t want to lose that knowledge. So it’s good that people are getting highly skilled jobs. It’s good that people are staying within the system, but their motivation for staying within the system should be to extract as much wealth and knowledge as they can and then let it die. Let it die and move across!

 

And the last point that I’ll finish on before I hand the mic back over is, why won’t the elites back us? Why won’t the elites back us? They’re never going to back us until the last minute! Because its grassroots!

 

Since World War Two, everything’s reset. And what Hitler went through is a microcosm of what the world is going through now. The first people to support Hitler were the working class, were the ex-soldiers, were the homeless, were the mentally ill veterans. Those are the first people that helped Hitler. The lowest people! Yes, there were some brains, there were some academics, there were some spokespeople, some Thule and Vril. You know, there was a little bit of esoteric. There was people that were doing this for some time and hadn’t made it with their politics because the time wasn’t right and they didn’t have someone like Hitler. So they backed him and they helped him.

 

So he had some good advisors in his corner. But ten advisors in your corner don’t make a movement. It’s thousands of men with the good energy, with good faith! And those are the first people he attracted. Then he won over the middle class, then he won over the upper middle class. And then right at the last minute, he started winning over intellectuals, philosophers, Professors at the university, judges, media people.

 

And eventually the old money! The old stock money. The people that own the steelworks, the people that own the coal. But this is all in the last year or two. The people that built the movement were working class and middle class people, in that order.

 

So what grassroots nationalism looks like globally, across the West, across all White countries, is it looks like World War Two is over. Allegedly. Hitler’s lost. Allegedly. And we’re back to square one.

 

And so who were the people that kept the fire lit from 1945 through to basically us? Who were the only people? There’s a few intellectuals. Of course, we can name ten or 15 intellectuals, but the people that kept the fire lit were fucking football hooligans, working class bogans, tatted up to the eyeball, skin heads, …

 

[39:58]

 

Blair Cottrell: People were most emotionally invested or with the capacity to be emotionally invested.

 

Thomas Sewell: But also it was the people that had the least to lose. And how Hitler took power was the people with the least to lose were like:

 

“Fuck it! Mask off. Let’s do it!”

 

And then eventually they built enough numbers of that they started moving up the social strata.

 

So this whole process of how we’re going to take power, the elites will join us when it’s in their interests, and then when they’ve got nothing left to lose! When the Marxists are at the door, when the communists are at the door, when they’re about to lose everything! And it’s basically us or lose everything, then all of a sudden we look really attractive, and they’re like:

 

“Actually, I’ve been sympathetic the whole time. Can have a party pin, please?”

 

And that’s what happens in the last twelve months before you take power.

 

So don’t expect any elites to back us anytime soon! We’ve got a long road ahead.

 

Joel Davis: It’s important. This, this is a point that for some reason, so many people can’t get through their fucking head! And it’s so simple. Which is that they think that we need to go to people that have a lot of money right now and get their money. Otherwise, we can’t build a political movement. In the example you just gave of the NSDAP, they got 80% of the way there just on like, the rank and file donations of their members. And that made them a serious and the biggest political party in Germany.

 

And then the big money started coming in right at the end. There’s a great book written by Henry Ashby Turner* called, I think it’s called The Rise of Adolf Hitler and Big Business, or something akin to that. And he details this. And he completely destroys in that book this Marxist nonsense, that National Socialism was funded by the capitalist elite to stop the communists or something. It’s just total bullshit! It’s not true historically. And I think, actually we should probably do a podcast on that book one day and go through it, because it’s a fantastic book, and I would like to reread it, and there’s a lot of really valuable stuff in it.

 

[* Henry Ashby Turner, Jr. Was an American historian of Germany who was a Professor at Yale University for over forty years. He is best known for his book German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler in which he challenged the common theory that industrialists in Germany were the Nazi Party’s most influential supporters. Wikipedia]

 

But putting that to one side. Just think about it like this. If you have 10,000 people, 10,000 Australians, and there’s 10,000 already White Australians that watch our streams and know who we are and follow us on social media, at least there’s more than 10,000. But you got 10,000. And they all put in $20 a week. Everyone can afford $20 a week. It’s fuck all! It’s like you go out to get a feed, and it costs more than that it’s nothing. You just have dinner at home one night instead of going out. And that’s basically $20 a week. That is $10 million a year. Just that.

 

There’s 100,000 Australians. There’s more than 100,000 Australians that are White nationalists, that have White nationalist opinions. If 100,000 White Australians put in $20 a week, which is fuck all, anyone, even if you’re on fucking Centrelink, you can put $20 a week in. That’s 100 grand a year. [$2,000,000] That’s enough to have a political campaign and compete for political power.

 

Like, I’d be interested to see how much money the Greens are pulling in. I reckon they probably would not even have our operational budget of $100 million a year. I reckon they probably pay less than that’s the third biggest political party in Australia, right?

 

So that’s just a hundred thousand people putting in $20 a week. It’s actually very feasible. There’s already 100,000 White nationalists in Australia, in my opinion. Like, at least! There’s more.

 

So the idea that you can’t build a political movement with the grassroots is just wrong. You can actually. If everyone chips in a little bit, it adds up very quickly. And you can compete with the big money, you can compete with the big property lobbyists and the business lobbyists and so on. And that’s a very measly sum. That’s a number I pulled out of my arse. And if you’ve got a political movement that’s already got that kind of money behind it, you can have a very sophisticated and professional outfit. And that’s going to attract the big money because it’s like:

 

“Okay, these guys are serious!”

 

So if we organise that first 10,000, and we work our way up to organising that first hundred thousand, and there are more than 100,000 White Australians that are ready to hear our message. There’s millions of White Australians that want to hear our message. If we organise just a fraction of them and get them organised and paying into the same pot, organised under the same leadership we can become one of the one of the big forces in Australian politics and start throwing our weight around in a serious way. It actually isn’t, like that complicated. It actually isn’t that crazy to think.

 

So people need to understand there is a lot of power and value in the grassroots, in that five to 10% of Aussies that are already basically ready to receive our message in almost its entirety. If we just focus on getting those guys organised, reaching those guys, getting them to show up to events, getting them to pay money into the same pot, getting them to respect one set of leaders and professionalise our output. We build a parallel economy to support our top activists, to withstand attacks from the system, and we make ourselves presentable. We have good propaganda. We ensure that we’re part of the conversation. Our message will sell itself. We’ve got a great message. There’s millions of White Australians ready to hear our message. And if you have a serious political movement putting our message forward, they will get behind it, they will back it.

 

So to me, it’s actually not that complicated. We don’t need magic billionaires to come in and save us. We don’t!

 

[45:39]

 

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, well, there’s enough working class people with the resources. I mean, all you need is those weekly or monthly dues and you have enough members, enough card carrying members. They don’t have to be like, active physical participants, card carrying, paying members. Then you’ll have all the resources you need to grow that parallel community, I suppose.

 

Joel Davis: That’s the other thing as well about de-platforming. If you register as an official political party, you get there’s a whole bunch of protections, like legal protections that you get that prevent you from being de-platformed in, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Same as if you register as a religious group too, which is something that I’ve always argued would be beneficial for any Right-wing or nationalistic community group.

 

Joel Davis: And also there’s like, if you make a formal group, there’s like transparency and so on. The point is that there’s legal Avenues to set up a proper White nationalist outfit in this country. I don’t think almost anyone really has the political will to get the men in the room and get the people together, except us and our associates. I don’t see anyone else in Australia that putting a serious effort towards it.

 

So if you’re a serious White nationalist movement, either go and build something better than what we’re doing and show us how it’s done. And if you, if your shit takes off, well, we’ll go:

 

“All right! We’ll fucking come along and we’ll fucking put our guys and we’ll come along and do your thing.”

 

If you can do something that will work better than us, prove it! Make it, prove it and we’ll back you. Even if you do something that is worse than us, we’ll still give you some fucking support, because that’s how we just care about the movement.

 

There’s other organisations in the movement that we give one sided support to, and we don’t get a lot of support back, because we just want to see everything work. We want to see the movement grow. We actually just care about saving White people more than anything.

 

But we’re the guys that can get an actual serious amount of men together in this country over the next few years. If the people that are already following us and know who we are want to get behind it and give us their support, we can fucking do it! It’s just about the willpower, the determination.

 

The reason why the jews are winning. I posted about this on Twitter. One of the main reasons why they’re winning is very simple! It’s because jews put their money in to pro-jewish organisations. There’s all these jewish activist groups and jewish lobbyist groups and shit! The jews chip in! And yeah, there are some wealthy jews that put in serious dollars, but the jews put their money into pro-jewish organisations.

 

And so there’s all these big, powerful pro-jewish organisations that throw their weight around in politics and throw their weight around in the media. And the jews get what they want, nine times out of ten! We don’t do that. White Australians will do that. No White group does that.

 

And so we don’t ever fucking get what we want! It’s like, it’s very simple and there’s more to it than that. But it is a very large, basic component, White people are too fucking individualistic! Like, I made a tweet about this yesterday and this guy came back like:

 

“Oh, Joel, why don’t you go and start your own business and make the money yourself? Why are you e-begging?”

 

And I wasn’t even e-begging. I wasn’t requesting donations.

 

We need to get our act together, our organisation. We don’t even have things set up for anyone to fucking donate to us. We only take dues from our own members. We probably need to fix that.

 

We need to get better at that kind of thing. We don’t because we’ve got this culture of this anti-grifting culture, anti-money culture, this hyper individualistic White culture. We need to fucking get over that! ! We need to start putting our money together and building collective power.

 

Because if I go, all right, I’m going to go and start my own business. He’s like:

 

“Joel, you’re a smart guy. If you started your own business, you would be cancel-proof. You’d make all this money!”

 

Okay, I’ll go put fucking 70, 80 hours a week into starting my own business. And then there goes one of the only, like, four White nationalist political activists in this whole country that anyone knows who they are.

 

[49:51]

 

Blair Cottrell: You just end up working for the man to pay tax!

 

Joel Davis: Like, is that what you really want? We have, like, four. Okay, maybe there’s a few others. Like, I guess we could say five. I can name a few more. But there’s a small group of us that are the only, like, White nationalist political activists that from Australia that anyone even fucking knows who they are!

 

So do you really want us, … You know, would you want us building the fucking movement, or do you want us, like, what? Like, at some point you’re gonna have to fucking give us some fucking money! Not so that we can go and pay off our mortgage and live it up, but so that we can pay for the fucking movement! It’s gonna cost a lot of money for us to fucking get this shit together. So at some point, like, if you don’t trust us, that’s fine. I said in my tweet:

 

“Support someone.”

 

And I was talking internationally, there’s groups in other countries to support as well, if you’re from other countries.

 

But if you don’t want to support us, go find someone else to support them. But we’re going to have to put our money fucking somewhere. And you go and join them to give your manpower, give your hours, give your time. If we don’t put our money and our fucking time and our effort into the White nationalist movement in some fucking capacity, it won’t fucking exist!

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, everyone subscribes, Joel. Everyone’s ready to subscribe to Netflix and Audible and Spotify. And they pay that subscription. It’s like, what? Some of them are $7 a month, some are $14 a month. Why not subscribe to White Australia? Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, that’s all stuff that I’m working on the moment. So as I’ve said before in the past, we’re looking at streamlining everything, the whole operation. And what we’re looking at doing is integrating more of a supporter class of our movement.

 

So obviously, our expectations for people being involved is very high. And what I’m talking to the state leaders about is developing an apparatus that people can be involved. It’s actually quite interesting. I got a message, sadly, just as the stream was about to start from one of our new members, new recruits that’s looking to get involved. Who’s saying he can’t really be involved anymore. I just skimmed. I said:

 

“I’ll answer this question after the stream.”

 

But out of the last maybe 20 guys we recruited, one guy’s messaged me saying:

 

“Hey, look, it’s a big time commitment.”

 

Which it’s not, but I’ll address that later. Unless he’s watching, then he will understand it’s not a big time commitment. We’re not asking for much. But he’s saying that he doesn’t really want to engage in the activism and the training. He’d rather just donate a lump sum of money every month, more than what he’s already paying in dues, the $50. So I’ll address that with him when I get off the show.

 

But that is interesting timing, because that is actually something that we’ve been in discussions about in the last couple of months, and especially in the last couple of weeks, about how do we go about building that apparatus. So it’s still in a planning phase. I can almost guarantee by the end of the year, we will be in a situation where there will be a clear cut pathway.

 

What I need to do first is register as either an incorporated society or as an ethno-religious group. I need to register things on paper. Because the issue that we’re going to have when we start taking a lot of money, because we’ve done fundraisers in the past, and what the government’s trying to do is its trying to claim that that money is personal income.

 

So all the fundraisers that we’ve done, they don’t just shut down your bank accounts, they’re trying to asphyxiate you everywhere with everything! So we’ve raised a little bit of money from time to time, especially for things like legal fees. If we’re starting to take in massive amounts of money, like we recently raised 16 grand on GiveSendGo for the deposit on the farm that we’re trying to get. And that money was all refunded to everyone, and everyone’s really upset about that.

 

But look, when we put the fundraiser back up, I’m sure it will fast pass $16,000 when it goes back up. But where does that money go when that 16 grand is cashed out from the website? If it goes to my personal bank account, the government’s going to take probably close to half of it. So I need to set up the infrastructure to have everything above board and legal so that we can then start taking in. Because 16 grand is nothing as I was saying before, and as Joel was saying, you know,

 

Blair Cottrell: Was that GiveSendGo Tom? Was that GiveSendGo that actually refunded everyone’s money?

 

Thomas Sewell: That was GiveSendGo. And it was under pressure from the Australian government. So it happened at the same time that it was raised in the Senate inquiry.

 

So at the Senate inquiry, some fucking communists were saying:

 

“How come there’s American websites, you know, raising money for this terrorist organisation, NSN, you know, rah, rah, rah. Why is this happening? Why isn’t the government doing something about it?”

 

And the government obviously wrote letters pressuring GiveSendGo to be like:

 

“Hey, can you refund this money to everyone? Like, we don’t want it going to this group. This group is obviously like a national security risk to faggot brown Australia.”

 

Because I think the GiveSendGo just said, like:

 

“Fundraiser for the White Australian community to have a property.”

 

Like, to have a home. We don’t have a home. Most of us are renting or we have mortgages in the city. We don’t really have living space for an Org to really, truly grow and take off, for an Org to grow and take off, it needs a physical home that its members or its leaders aren’t indebted to trying to pay off all the time.

 

[54:56]

 

So if we’re all at work, you know, 40 hours a week plus, to try to pay off a building like a headquarters, or a house for us to operate out of, not just a personal home, but a home for the Org, then how can the leaders then have the freedom, like the physical freedom, the time, the free time, to then push the movement into the next stage? It’s just not possible. We just stagnate at this level where it’s like one podcast a week, and it’s like we get a little bit of work done or we do some activism and we organise the manpower, we vet new members, and we slowly grow. But to really unlock the next stage, which is where we’re heading. The amount of recruitment we’re getting, we’re going to need people working full-time on this. And it can’t just be funded purely from the in-house. And there are a lot of people willing to donate and that’s awesome and be supporters.

 

So what I’m looking at doing is setting up an apparatus so that we have a governing organisation, and then that governing organisation is legally registered within the system so that it is protected. And I saw some smartass in the comments say just then, not just then, but like five minutes ago:

 

“Why would you be doing all this, if the civilisation is dead?”

 

These people are just so frustrating and annoying. Something dies over hundreds of years. So this idea that we can’t operate a little bit in the system in order to not get fucking Wacoed*, or not get fucking $100,000 tax Bill! Like this is just like splitting hairs. Analysis paralysis. These are just the worst kinds of fucking political commentators!

 

[* The Waco siege, also known as the Waco massacre, was the siege by U.S. Federal government and Texas state law enforcement officials of a compound belonging to the religious cult known as the Branch Davidians, between February 28 and April 19, 1993. The Branch Davidians, led by David Koresh, were headquartered at Mount Carmel Center ranch in unincorporated McLennan County, Texas, 13 miles (21 kilometers) northeast of Waco. Suspecting the group of stockpiling illegal weapons, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) obtained a search warrant for the compound and arrest warrants for Koresh and several of the group’s members. After 51 days, on April 19, 1993, the FBI launched a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out of the compound’s buildings. Shortly thereafter, the Mount Carmel Center became engulfed in flames. The fire and the reaction to the final attack within the group resulted in the deaths of 76 Branch Davidians, including 20–28 children and David Koresh. In total, the 51-day siege resulted in the deaths of four federal agents and 82 Branch Davidians, somewhere between 20 and, 208 of whom were children.]

 

And I try to ignore it, but they just kept commenting. Pain in the ass, to be honest, because these people are fucking do-nothings! This person will never do anything. They just sit on the Internet and be like:

 

“Oh, but you’re not doing this exactly correct!”

 

It’s like, fuck you! Shut your fucking mouth! Didn’t ask for your opinion. Pain in the arse!

 

Like, we’ve dedicated ten years to this, and I dedicate probably 30 or 40 hours a week, on top of my day job to this. And then you’ve got these fucking wankers that think their opinion is just as valid as you because they can nitpick something at you. No, we’re not a democracy. That’s not how it works. Get your feet in the movement. Actually get your foot in the door, and let’s have the conversation in person. But you won’t do that, will you? Just a piece of shit on the Internet.

 

So, as I was saying, more importantly, we set up the apparatus, and what we’re going to do is set up a supporters class. And so we have activists, we have a leadership team, we have activists, and we have a pool of associates. We have people that they’ve kind of dipped their toes in. They’ve come and trained a little bit or done a little bit of activism, but they don’t really want to commit to the once a month thing.

 

So what we’re trying to do is work out a class within the organisation that isn’t necessarily going to attend once a month, but maybe we might see them once or twice a year, and they can engage with the movement when they feel like it at those bigger events on the condition that they’re a financial supporter. And I think that’s a fair equilibrium of forces.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, that would be another good thing as well. When we get some property. The reason why we want to do that, is because it’s just a cheaper option for us to all homestead on it and so on, rather than individually, you know, working out our arrangements. We want to be within, like, on the periphery of the city, like, attack distance of the city. But the objective then, if we can build a large community, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, [chuckling] I can think of a better term to use!

 

But yeah.

 

Joel Davis: But if we build like a large community, …

 

Thomas Sewell: We’re still politically relevant, we’re not just like hiding out. Obviously long term, we do want to do that. Long term, we do want to build something ages away with a huge amount of people, but for the amount of people we have at the moment, it’s better for us to stay connected to the city. I don’t think we need to build, …

 

[58:52]

 

Joel Davis: The city is the main, like, we’re building chapters in the rural areas, which is fantastic! And we’re getting a lot of good recruits from those areas. And there’s a lot of good stock, high quality White men that live in rural areas that are switched on and that are going to be great assets to the movement.

 

So we don’t want to be just a city movement. But the cities, there’s a large concentration of people, a lot of disaffected young White men dealing with the perils of diversity, that we want to bring in. That’s why we want to have our gyms and things like that. I’ve floated the idea it would be nice to buy some pubs in the cities and have, like, White nationalist pubs where we’ve got, like, our guys doing the DJing or our guys playing in bands and our guys at the security, and we got a bunch of Aryan babes behind the, pouring drinks and a place for the young White men to hang out. Community hubs for young White people in general. Because it’s important to build that community structure for the activist corp and to keep replenishing the activist corps with more and more recruits.

 

And then as they go up in the life cycle and they get ready to settle down and have kids, well, then if we have, like, peripheral rural areas, they can homestead on, where they can live a lifestyle that is like, somewhat de ZOGified. Some food is being generated on the farm, so they’re not eating just pure ZOG slop. They’re not gonna have to pay a giant jew mortgage, and they can home-school their kids in an environment with lots of young pro-White families with shared values. And the kids can grow up with other good stock, good families, you know, that are trusted and so on. So, like, that’s a very attractive arrangement for a life cycle to keep them within the movement.

 

But then also, if we build a big community centre on these, then we can have our conferences. We don’t have to go and rent some place out and they can do venue cancellations and shit like that! We can do it on our own property, we can manage our own security, so we can make it a very secure event and it can go as long as we want and we don’t have to pay extra to rent it out or they cancel it the last minute or the police show up and try and shut it down or any of this nonsense that you can deal with trying to organise big nationalist events. And that’s very important, to have these big events where we can have speeches and we can have big meetings and so on in the major cities.

 

So that’s part of the vision as well. Because a lot of people say, like:

 

“What’s the vision? You know, you just kind of marching around on the street and putting up stickers.”

 

And it’s well, that’s really, …

 

Thomas Sewell: It could be a social media issue. I think if they’ve only seen us on Twitter in recent time, then they think that’s all we do. I don’t really see that from the community on Telegram. Everyone on Telegram knows that we have this back end of our organisation, that we’re trying to build homesteads, that we’re trying to build living space for White people, we’re trying to build parallel institutions. We’ve been talking about this stuff for four or five years. That’s stuff that we’ve been working on. We’ve got a “mums and bubs” crew or club. The women are helping each other with an in-house daycare, lending each other help and services and stuff like that. We’ve got a huge back end community that we’ve built.

 

So, yeah, I only see that really on Twitter where people are like:

 

“Oh, but what’s actually the plan, guys? Where’s the money going, guys?”

 

And it’s like, we’ve explained it like 500 times, but we can explain it again. I’m happy to explain it again. Like, you know, gyms aren’t free! To set up a gym. It’s not free to set up any sort of business, or a studio to do this podcast professionally. If we professionalise something like this, the audience will become larger, the clips will become more mainstream. It just builds a gravity around it because it’s not like three dudes in their studies or spare bedrooms talking on kind of crappy webcams. So stuff like:

 

“Where’s the money going? Or where’s the money going to go?”

 

It’s well, it’s going to go everywhere. The more money there is, the more institutional power we can build that’s explicitly White nationalist.

 

And again, as I said, we’ve always started and centreed our two primary focus, or our three primary focuses would be the physical training element of it. We are an active club. That’s a big part of what we do, and it’s what’s held our community together for this long, is providing that as a service, like trying to maintain a masculine and health and fitness focus for young men. We’ve got the community model as well, the community building, so setting up kind of like little homesteads and having living space for people, because it’s unaffordable for most people to live in the major cities, and that’s where all the work is so we want to be able to work out a community solution to that problem.

 

And thirdly, we need propaganda. Not in any specific order. It’s not like that’s the third most important thing. That’s probably one of the most important things, but they’re all equally important. We need a home, we need a tribe. Tribe and train. And we need propaganda. We need stronger and better propaganda efforts. And we need to hire services as well. Like, none of this stuff is free. Once you’ve got a website, we’ve got a website up and running. It’s nothing flashy, but with more money, we can get a better website up and running, we can get better social media. We can have a social media manager, someone that works full-time doing that.

 

I mean, most people just go to work and they just work for ZOG, or they work for some subcontract of ZOG, or they work for some big corporation that’s a subcontractor of ZOG. And then it’s well, for nationalism to work, we need people that are working full-time doing nationalism. And you’ve got groups like the NJP, National Justice Party in America. I mean, they had like six guys. Say again, …

 

Joel Davis: They’re defunct now. They no longer exist.

 

[1:04:42]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I know.

 

But what I’m saying is that these guys, they raised millions of dollars over the years. They paid off a whole bunch of their own mortgages, and then they just sort of, … I can understand the hesitation to support people like the three of us or the project that we’re building, because groups in the past, that’s how they behaved.

 

But I think if you look at the physionomy*. Do a physionomy check on the NJP guys and, …

 

[* Physiognomy or face reading is the practice of assessing a person’s character or personality from their outer appearance—especially the face. The term can also refer to the general appearance of a person, object, or terrain without reference to its implied characteristics—as in the physiognomy of an individual plant or of a plant community. Wikipedia]

 

Joel Davis: If we pick up a formal organisation, there’s ways to have transparency where like everything is recorded and accounted for. Like, if you become a member, like that gives you like rights to kind of, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, that would only be something for members, like people that are just spectating on the Internet. You don’t get to decide where the money goes.

 

Joel Davis: Exactly! The people who are supporters, there will be transparency for them.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, yeah. And there always has been in our organisation, everyone that’s been in our organisation, obviously that I saw someone in the comments, some other smarter saying:

 

“Oh, but someone stolen from you in the past.”

 

Well, again, that was not from a lack of transparency. That was just one, you know, disgusting little creature that was grifting on the internet and, …

 

Blair Cottrell: That was just from, that was excess Greekery! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, yeah. That individual, … They didn’t like physically steal money out of my bank account or out of the like, coffers of the Org. What they did was they had their own parallel social media and they used their parallel social media platform to extract money out of people in the wider community, pretending that they were raising money on my behalf.

 

Blair Cottrell: And there’s the lesson.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s literally illegal.

 

Blair Cottrell: There’s a threshold of Greekery that can be tolerated, but then you can’t go above that threshold or it just becomes dangerous and someone gets robbed. [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: He was so Greek, he became jewish.

 

Thomas Sewell: If finances are centralised. But what my frustration with that whole situation was at the time that that was going on, we had three official fundraisers. We had a crypto fundraiser, a Monaro crypto fundraiser that was on our Telegram page. We had a GiveSendGo, and I have a PO Box if you want to send cash or books or gifts or whatever.

 

So we had three official fundraisers that were put up on all the official pages. That were put up on my page, all the other spokespeople of the Org’s page. But people were still sending money to the personal bank account of someone they knew was a member of our Org, on the basis that they were a member of the Org. But there was three official, …

 

So to me it’s, yeah, he’s a piece of shit for doing that. But also it’s pretty naive and stupid to be doing that was never, that was never publicly:

 

“Oh, by the way, if you want to donate money to the, pay it to this random member of our organisation.”

 

If any random member of our organisation messages you on social media saying:

 

“Hey, I’m raising money for the Org!”

 

I guarantee you they’re not! And report it to someone within the Org, that’s not that person, straight away! And we’ll fucking remove them on the spot! Because, yeah, it’ll never happen again.

 

Joel Davis: We weren’t defrauded. We weren’t stolen from. Like, technically it was stolen because it was money that people intended to give to the organisation. And so it was theft in that sense.

 

But really what it was fraud. It wasn’t direct theft.

 

So it wasn’t like:

 

“Oh, we don’t control our own money and we’re leaving the cash box in the hands of some scumbag. And what retards we are!”

 

It was like someone going around, sneaking around, presenting himself as a representative of the Org, soliciting donations.

 

So when people attacked us for that, it was like, if somebody had reported that to us earlier, that wouldn’t have happened. So, like we didn’t know that it was going on.

 

There’s a bunch of I think they’re like, pajeets. Maybe they’re Nigerians, but they’re probably pajeets on my Telegram. They’ll go into my Telegram chat, and then they’ll DM, they’ll create a fake account with my profile picture called Joel Davis, but it’ll be slightly different. And they’ll DM people and try and, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Instead of the “l” in Joel, it’s a capital “I” so, yeah, “JoeI Davis” Yeah, I’ve had them message me all the time.

 

Blair Cottrell: It just almost got me. Almost got me once. Like, my heart skipped a beat because I got a message from JoeI Davis just saying:

 

“Fuck you!”

 

And I was like, “what?”, that’s not the real Joel. Thank God! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, no!

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but the point is that people come in:

 

“Surely this isn’t you, Joel?”

 

And it’s like, obviously it’s not me. You know? Like, why do you even, like, come in and alert. Like, there’s been about literally 2,000 people that have come into the chat. Like:

 

“Is this Joel? I don’t know if it’s Joel or not.”

 

And everyone’s like:

 

“No. For the 3,000,000th time!”

 

People need to use a little bit of discretion. You know when something’s obviously bullshit! But at the same time, like, it’s not my responsibility. What am I supposed to do about that? If you have an open Telegram chat and that happens? Like, I don’t actually know what I can do about that.

 

So it is what it is. I would have to have, like, no open Telegram chat would be the alternative, and people would get very upset by that.

 

So, yeah, I don’t think anyone has been dumb enough to fall for the scam. If you have, shame on you!

 

[1:10:07]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: We’ve got so many ideas in the chat, I think we should change the subject. Or maybe we should address some of these ideas. Look, I’ll just do a blanket statement on ideas then. If you haven’t heard the rant already, we don’t need any more ideas. Okay? There’s a lot of people giving us ideas in the chat. We have all the ideas. We have all of them! We have at least 99% of all the ideas. We’re actually overloading with ideas.

 

Blair Cottrell: We have as many ideas as we have wholesome grandmas.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, [chuckling] exactly! And what we need is men to implement these ideas.

 

So I have a rule in the organisation, when someone comes to me with an idea, I say:

 

“When are you starting?”

 

That is the rule! Because I have been doing this for so long now, and I have so many people come to me with an idea. All I say is:

 

“When are you starting?”

 

Because I used to be like:

 

“Wow, that’s a great idea. Let’s sit down and let’s discuss this idea and let’s work out this idea!”

 

It’s like, no, I’ve already got, like, 50 things on my plate. And when some guy in the chat said:

 

“We should really capitalise on the housing crisis!”

 

Like, [chuckling] we’re not doing that?

 

Blair Cottrell: I love Jacob’s perspective. Jacob says:

 

“Prove your worth first!”

 

Jacob says:

 

“Fight for the ideology! Sacrifice, take blows, and then still stand with us after years of that, then I’ll hear what you have to say.”

 

I like that.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. We should be capitalizing on the housing crisis and spread propaganda and truth, how it’s caused by browns that will make the average Australian tick. It’s like, we just went to Bendigo and, well, we do the show every week and we talk about it every week. We post about it on Telegram and Twitter every week1

 

And also we’re doing in real life, rallies about mass deportations, doing speeches about how it’s causing us issues. And we don’t want these people in the country.

 

And on top of that, if that’s not enough, we also went to Bendigo just last weekend and handed out thousands, if not tens of thousands of flyers to all the people in Bendigo about how crime and housing is a problem, …

 

Blair Cottrell: How did that go, by the way? How did the people receive you?

 

Thomas Sewell: We talked about that last stream, didn’t we?

 

But, yeah, I can repeat it. It was good. It was awesome!

 

Joel Davis: I don’t know if we did discuss it on the stream last week, I think.

 

Blair Cottrell: I can’t remember covering it.

 

Joel Davis: But, yeah, it was actually really good! We’re all in NSN jackets. I wasn’t. I decided to be different because I’m me.

 

So I just had a different black jacket. I didn’t really think, … But everyone was in NSN jackets, and we had the EAM shirts on. We had these flyers that said “Whiteman Fight Back” on them. And we were going around handing them out to people. And I noticed a few things. One is that all the cutie girls took the flyer! They were like:

 

“Oh, yeah. Hey, thanks. Yeah, have a good day!”

 

Thomas Sewell: And the Zoommer boys.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, the Zoomer boys. And then the more like Chad Dads and the boomer, the White boommer! Like, all the boomers are White, but like, the boomer granddads and the Chad Dads.

 

Thomas Sewell: And the gracious grandmas. Don’t forget the racist grandmas.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, they were all into it.

 

But then when it was like, the fat dads, the soy dads, they weren’t about it.

 

And then the soy male, like, left hard physiognomy, they were like:

 

“Oh, no, no, thanks!”

 

But physiognomy is very real. Just in that interaction, the ugly girls suck. Ugly girls, I’m changing from before, people accuse me of being a misogynist. Now I’m basically, what I am is I’m pro-hot chicks! And I’m anti-ugly chicks! I’m adapting. I think actually hot chicks are awesome! And it’s just the only problem is the ugly chicks. That’s my new view on women.

 

So you can debate that in the chat. Because I have noticed this time and time and time again, that hot chicks are so much more chill about racism, and ugly chicks are the only chicks that are really getting that offended by it. I’ve had countless experiences like this. So be that what it is.

 

Blair Cottrell: Why is that?

 

Thomas Sewell: Empathy.

 

Joel Davis: I don’t know about the short answer. I don’t know if I can do short answers on questions like this, Blair. I guess maybe the short answer is this. Hot chicks do well in a society run by White men. Ugly chicks don’t do as well! Because all the White chads that run the society want to marry and bang all the hot chicks, or the White cuties and buy them nice houses and give them a nice life.

 

And then the ugly chicks are just kind of stuck with all the duds. Whereas, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Attractive women already have value and they don’t need to pander to things.

 

And so, like, less attractive women, they need to represent some sort of social justice value in order to seem valuable or useful to society.

 

Thomas Sewell: Attractive women find pity, disgusting! Attractive women hate pity! They find pity disgusting! So social justice doesn’t work.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s true. They won’t openly admit it. But yeah, women are kind of geared to despise weakness.

 

[1:15:19]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, attractive women. But unattractive women, they make a compromise with pity. They actually don’t have a negative relationship with pity. They’re okay with pity as a concept because they have insecurities. They actually want people to be okay with their issues and they pity themselves. So it’s a flow on effect.

 

So race mixing women, the majority of race mixing women do it out of low self esteem. That’s why they’re anti-racist. Because they’re actually worried that maybe they won’t get a nice boyfriend. They might not get a nice husband if they’re racist. Because they’re insecure about some genetic issue that they have. They always have a genetic issue. They might look semi-healthy on the surface but when you dive into it, there’s some serious genetic issue. Or at least an issue that flares up. It’s an issue that maybe flares up because of the toxic environment we’re living in. So it’s a cycle of poverty where they might have genes that are prone to, …

 

I’ll give you an example. I was at the shopping centre recently and there was a White girl. She was kind of average looking at best, with an Indian boyfriend. And they were at McDonald’s. Not Indian, but I don’t know, West Indies or something, he was brown but not black, but not Indian. Just some mulatto, right?

 

Blair Cottrell: What was wrong with the girl?

 

Thomas Sewell: She had really bad eczema. I had to walk past her and really sort of evaluate her. But she had really bad eczema. Really bad eczema. So she’s very insecure. She feels pity on herself. And so she’s not going to be prone to racism because she has some issues, some serious issue that she’s insecure about. She hasn’t worked out how to address it by changing her diet and exercise or environment. She might need to live in a different country or different region within a country. There’s something, you shouldn’t have, horrible eczema. That’s just you’re obviously doing something wrong. Right. If you’ve got a skin condition like that, move, live somewhere different where the climate’s different so your skin adapts to the better environment.

 

Blair Cottrell: Could be bad karma?

 

Thomas Sewell: It could be bad karma as well. Yeah, certainly.

 

But I think there are also just material reasons for it as well and I explain them. But what they do instead with a lot of these mental illnesses is they cope and say:

 

“Well, I’m accepting!”

 

Because if they’re accepting of other races, then other races are accepting of their bad genetic structure.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: They’re more likely to be obese. They’re more likely to be low IQ. This is a fact. These are the statistics of women that race mix. They’re obese, they’re low IQ, they have genetic conditions, so they have organ issues, for example. They usually don’t finish high school. They usually become single moms.

 

Blair Cottrell: But even these women who have all of these genetic weaknesses, would it ethnically, racially, would they still stand higher than the people they choose to mix with? Or are we like casting off our genetic impurities and just spreading them amongst other races? So for that reason, …

 

Thomas Sewell: The trash is taking itself out. Civilisational mitosis is the final red pill. Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: Right.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Also, that’s true about homosexuality and feminism and like, Leftists are disproportionately dysgenic. They’ve got all these kinds of genetic issues that predict for Leftism. Like, they basically have high mutational load and all these indicators correlate with that. And at the same time, they engage in a whole series of behaviours that are less fertile.

 

So they’re going to not pass down as much of their mutant genes, but the more Right-wing, conservative, patriotic, healthy Whites breed more.

 

So there’s a lot of these trends that are, yeah, the trash taking itself out is occurring. But the problem with that is that when you do miscegenation, you create these spiteful, mutant offspring that are going to be hostile towards the kind of politics that we want to put forward because ultimately they’re excluded from it. So they’re just creating enemies. They’re creating enemies. On that’s why I can’t be tolerated to the fullest extent possible.

 

But anyway, on the kind of ugly girl question, we live in a society where there are all of these artificial privileges and statuses that are assigned not on the basis of your inherent quality, your inherent health and vitality and value as a human being, but on the basis of your conformity to systems which ultimately have basically the function of destroying the White race and upending natural hierarchies and subverting natural hierarchies, blocking the vile, the healthy, the good, from taking over society. Because there’s this coalition of resentful mutants and racial aliens and so on that are ruling over us. So they’re doing a lot better.

 

It’s the same thing with, like whenever you see the communists organise an event, there isn’t one, Chad. There’s no one Giga Chad, communist. That doesn’t exist. There isn’t one! They’re all fucking ugly, soy, low test, pathetic losers, every single one of them!

 

And that’s why. Because if you’re an ugly, pathetic loser, you’re not going to do very well under fascism. Whereas, like, they’re able to kind of get a discount and gain social prestige and status and so on by signaling, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Only the weak argue for equality. Huh?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, the inferior.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! And there’s actually been a study on this, by the way, that they rated women by attractiveness. They got a whole bunch of men to rate, like, what is she, out of ten? And then collated the scores, and then they tested the women for political belief. And the hotter chicks were the most Right-wing. And the lower down the score, the more Left-wing they became.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

[1:21:17]

 

Joel Davis: So that’s scientific fact!

 

So what we’re saying here isn’t just cope like:

 

“Oh, you’re saying all the hot chicks are more predisposed to being Right-wing?”

 

No, it’s just actually a scientific fact.

 

Blair Cottrell: Curious segue. But I suppose what I was interested in, because I’ve got some political history, and Bendigo, close to my heart is Bendigo. And I was disappointed that I didn’t find the time to make it up there, to be honest. I wanted to go with you guys, but had to do some extra work. But my question, I suppose what I want to know is, what was the vibe like, Tom? Was there a similar feeling that used to be there years ago? Has it changed much? What was the vibe?

 

Thomas Sewell: I only encountered, or we only encountered, maybe a dozen men that were probably the young guys that were at the rally.

 

So most of the young guys we ran into were too young. They wouldn’t have been there. They would have been preteen, because it was so long ago. I mean, it was 2016, so it’s eight years ago, which is pretty scary to think about. But we ran into about a dozen men, in their thirties or really late twenties, and they might not have recognised. They probably would have recognised you. I don’t think they recognised me because I was kind of like a second or third speaker.

 

Blair Cottrell: You also missed out. You didn’t come to the first big rally there. You only came to the second. And just so the audience is aware, Bendigo was kind of a big datum point for Sewell and I in our, how should I describe it? In the way that we first came onto the scene through activism, and we generated a great deal of support through Bendigo. So that really put us on the map. That’s why Bendigo is kind of significant to us. It’s a historic Australian town. A lot of great culture there. But, yeah, the vibe?

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s centreed around., … To also give some back note to the audience, it centreed around an organic protest that evolved in Bendigo against a mosque being built. Because there was only on the census, I think, 16 or 17 Muslims in a town of 110,000 or 150,000. There was only 16 Muslims on the census.

 

Blair Cottrell: They were trying to build the largest mosque in the southern hemisphere there.

 

Thomas Sewell: In Australia, because there’s a bigger one in Indonesia. But they were trying to build a mega mosque, like, for 10,000 plus people in a town with 16 Muslims. And there was no transparency with the public! There was no transparency with the people of Bendigo. And these organic little groups were forming, but they had no real strong leadership. And Blair was organising the UPF [United Patriots Front] and primarily out of Melbourne, and we were doing rallies against far-Left treason and against the Islamisation of Australia. That’s what our, you know, it was a pro-Australian, anti-Islam and anti-traitor position.

 

And I wouldn’t have called us civn ats, but we certainly weren’t., … Were playing an optics game. We didn’t want to go full White nationalism. We didn’t think that people were ready for that. We wanted to focus on being pro-Australian, working class, and anti-Islam, and obviously anti-traitor as well, the Left.

 

Now, we went up there in support and tried to basically get all these little groups of people together. There was these kind of organic protests that were forming, and we had some huge turnouts. I think our biggest rally was maybe two and a half thousand people. We completely dwarfed the counter-protesters, and it was just all organic. No money, no media support, no nothing! Whereas they had everything. They had all the system behind them, and they could only, …

 

Blair Cottrell: It scared the shit out of the government, too. Scared the shit out of the government! We had big marches through the streets. Half the town was basically shut down, and we ended up gathering in a park just to actually keep the mass of people that we had acquired away from the centre of town to prevent disruption of businesses. That’s how big our rallies were there back in these days.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. So in saying that, there was a huge organic support from the public, and I think people still remember that, even if they don’t remember me personally, they remember that energy. I don’t think that disappears.

 

It’s like Cronulla. Everyone remembers Cronulla*. Even if you don’t remember the leaders or the individuals, there’s an energy, there’s an anonymity of the message, of the symbol of what that was. And those people are still in Bendigo. And the greatest support we got, because the Zoomers aren’t very serious. They’re all irony bros. They’re a strange generation. They’re not politically mature enough to really understand what’s going on, but they agree with it and support it, I think, at a subconscious level.

 

[* The 2005 Cronulla riots were a series of race riots in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. It began in the beachside suburb of Cronulla on 11 December, and spread over to additional suburbs the next few nights. The riots were triggered by an event the previous Sunday, when an altercation turned physical between a group of youths of Middle Eastern appearance (Lebos) and White Australian lifeguards on the beach. Wikipedia]

 

So with Zoomers, you’re kind of always tapping into the subconscious. There’s not really much of a conscious political conversation you can have with them. They, like, they just kind of FED post and say kind of ironic things and speak in their kind of mumble, mumble language. But the guys around our age, Blair, they remember, like, they were with quiet voices they came in close and they said:

 

“It’s getting out of control. The Whiteman’s got to fight back. Love what you guys are doing. This is awesome stuff!”

 

And a couple of them that I spoke to, they were there. They were present at the rallies. But the biggest support we got, and I know it’s a bit cliche, the biggest support we got and the biggest vibe that we had, or the general vibe, was actually from the Boomers, and which was surprising. I was actually shocked, genuinely shocked. The Boomers were the most supportive people. The Boomers and the Zoomers. The Boomers and the Zoomers!

 

[1:26:47]

 

Blair Cottrell: For different reasons. Like, it’s probably a genuine racism in the Boomers, but like you said, the Zoomer is more ironic.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Basically every single grandma, except the refugee grandmas. So there’s two types of grandmas, obviously, as I’ve explained on the show. But the fizz was incredible because we’re doing in real life activism, and we’re talking to people on the street, and we’re handing out flies on the street. Every old lady that had a normal haircut took the flyer, read the flyer, and said:

 

“Thank you!”

 

It literally came down to the haircut. Every grandma that had a shit haircut, that had a retarded purple haircut, they all just looked at us and was like:

 

“No, thanks.”

 

But every single, like, normal looking, wholesome grandma that has grandkids, like, a real grandma, not a refugee grandma, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Only the non-poisonous grandmas were friendly?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, the non-poisonous grandmas, they loved it! A couple of them, actually, at one point walked with me across the road with me and told me about how it’s getting out of out of control. And we’ve got all this on footage, so we’re just working out a way to sort of blur them and protect their identities so that they don’t get, like, attacked by Leftists, because these were some older women, they’re in their seventies and eighties, and they were basically saying:

 

“Thank you for what you’re doing.”

 

Like, it’s what all the Boomers had to say to us was:

 

“It’s getting out of control. Are you the guys that are going to do something about it? Are you the guys going to do? Are you going to do it?”

 

So it was really special. It was really awesome! And I want to do more of it.

 

Joel Davis: I was going up to people saying:

 

“Hey, I’m from the National Socialist Network. Can I interest you in a flyer?”

 

It was like:

 

“Hey, I’m a National Socialist. Here’s a flyer.”

 

Blair Cottrell: The standard Australian worker probably wouldn’t even really know what National Socialist was. They’ll know what Nazi is. But not everyone would actually understand what National Socialism is, so you’ve got that to your advantage there.

 

Joel Davis: Maybe we proved that there’s an optical valley to National Socialism.

 

But, yeah, we had some funny interactions. I went to one Boomer and handed him the flyer, and he just kind of took it. And I don’t think he was fully really paying attention. He just kind of took the flyer, and he looked at it, and then he read, said:

 

“Whiteman, fight back.”

 

And he’s like:

 

“Hey, mate, come back! Can I shake your hand?”

 

I was like:

 

“Yeah.”

 

And I shook his hand. And he’s like:

 

“Fuck the wokes! Fuck the wokes!”

 

Thomas Sewell: He’s like:

 

“This is a awesome!”

 

Joel Davis: And that was pretty cool!

 

And then, …

 

Thomas Sewell: There was another Boomer that you gave a flyer to, and he did the same thing. He kind of was:

 

“Oh, thanks, man.”

 

And just didn’t even look at it. And then you gave on to his wife. And then his wife was really interested! She’s like:

 

“Oh, yeah, this is awesome!”

 

And then we kept going because we were on the march. We’re kind of walking through. And then about five minutes later, he came charging up to us and was like:

 

“Can I have more of those? I’m gonna put them on my car! I’m gonna put them on the back of my car!”

 

Blair Cottrell: That was awesome! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Maybe you’d walked off by then. But he came back, that guy. He was in a cowboy hat or something, like a cattleman’s hat. Yeah, it was awesome! The vibe was good. The vibe was very good.

 

There was only really two antagonists. One was this fat soy boy in his twenties, and they were doing, like, a little Palestine rally. There was, like four or five of them on the corner. They were waving Palestinian flags. So he was like a social, alternative fucking estrogenic faggot. And he came over to us and he said, it was really funny. It was really, really funny. We got on camera and he said:

 

“I’ve got it on the tip of my tongue. I’m about to say it.”

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m like:

 

“All right. Like, what is it? What have you got to say, buddy?”

 

And he was like:

 

“I’m trying! I’m trying here!”

 

I’m like:

 

“Yeah, it’s okay. Like, we’re here. We’re waiting. We’re listening. It’s okay. Like, spit it out. It’s all right.”

 

And he was like:

 

“Ahh. Ugh, this is hard. This is really hard for me!”

 

I’m like:

 

“It’s all right. Just come on! Calm down. Relax. I’m not gonna hurt you. Just say what you gotta say.”

 

And he was like:

 

“Ahh! Umm, you guys! Your problem, Tom, is you protect paedophiles!”

 

And I was like:

 

“What! What the fuck are you talking about?”

 

Blair Cottrell: Where did he get that from?

 

Thomas Sewell: And he was like:

 

“Oh, not paedophiles. Sorry. Hebrophiles!”

 

And then he just, …

 

Blair Cottrell: You know what this is, Tom?

 

Thomas Sewell: And then he said, …

 

Blair Cottrell: , you know what this is? This is his programming, which is commanding him to scream abuse at you, conflicting with the fact that if he does scream abuse at you’re going to uppercut him. And he’s like, … [chuckling]

 

[1:30:55]

 

Thomas Sewell: Maybe. He was trying. He had a good try.

 

And then he was like:

 

“Anyway, that’s what I’ve got to say!”

 

And then he walked off, and was kind of chuffed with himself. And we were like:

 

“All right, all right, fair enough. Okay. Like, go away fatty.”

 

And then about ten minutes later this guy, and I hadn’t really properly processed this at the time, but I’ve had a lot of time to think about it since the weekend. He was wearing a Lego T-shirt. He was probably 55, 60 years old, fat as fuck, and he was wearing a Lego T-shirt and jeans. Yeah, he was really oestrogenic. And I think he was actually gay. He was running a Lego stand. He was kind of a closeted gay, like a secret gay. He was running a Lego stand. And we’d walked past maybe five or ten minutes earlier, and we’re handing out flyers and talking to people. And he came over and he said:

 

“I need you to go! I need you to leave1 I’ve called the police.”

 

And I said:

 

“I’m not going anywhere. Leave me alone. Like, go away. Like you’re causing an issue.”

 

And he was like:

 

“No, you need to go. You need to leave.”

 

And I was like:

 

“I’m standing here. Welcome to democracy, buddy. Go away!”

 

He started getting in my space, like, he started touching me and kind of elbowing me and I said:

 

“You’re a fucking professional victim, aren’t you? You’re looking to get hit, like you’re a piece of shit!”

 

He’s like:

 

“Oh, there’s no need to be aggressive, mate. There’s no need to be aggressive, mate!”

 

And he’s like, getting in my face and elbowing, elbowing the side of me just nudging me. And I kind of just gently kind of got him because I’m like:

 

“Fuck, I’ll kill this person accidentally if I hit him. So I’ll just move him away.”

 

And I just said:

 

“Go away. Like, you obviously, you don’t agree with us. You don’t support us. That’s cool. Go back to doing what’s important in life, which is Lego. Go back into your children’s toys. Go back to Lego.”

 

And he’s like:

 

“You guys feel special about yourselves marching around your uniforms. You’re a bunch of clowns!”

 

I’m like:

 

“Mate, you’re 60 years old. You’re in a Lego T-shirt!”

 

“I care about children!”

 

Blair Cottrell: What was that? Town in Queensland, that inland town in Queensland when we rallied. Toowoomba. What I did in Toowoomba, …

 

Thomas Sewell: In hindsight, honestly, we just need more of that. These people should be a little bit intimidated that we’re clearly not scary enough. The media make us out like we’re terrorists. If we really were these people wouldn’t come up to us and behave this way. So I think we need to be a little bit more scary because they’re so fucking annoying!

 

But anyway, this fat, oestrogenic faggot came over. He hassled. He kind of haggled us for five minutes, but we just kept handing out flyers. And one of his talking points was:

 

“Nobody agrees with you. Nobody supports you.”

 

And then we just hand out, like, ten flyers to a Zoomer crowd that go past. They’re all loving it. They’re like:

 

“Fuck Indians! We hate Indians! Kill them all!”

 

Like, Fed posting. And he’s like:

 

“Oh, no way!”

 

And then handing out flyers to all the hot chicks going past. And then two dads come over and start talking to us. And then another guy comes over and shakes our hand and he’s wearing military, what’s it called? Like, the military-surplus. He was a prepper or something. And he shook our hand. [chuckling] And it was funny as man, just seeing his morale drop the more people greeted us. And he was the only guy that was against us in the whole area.

 

So that was interesting to see.

 

But in hindsight, what I didn’t realise and what I should have said or asked was:

 

“Whose children are you doing Lego with? Because they’re not your own, are they, buddy?”

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: He was a fucking paedophile! He was a fucking faggot paedophile! And I want to know his name. I want to find out what his name is. And I want to make sure that the people of Bendigo know who this is.

 

Blair Cottrell: He might have just been a Lego enthusiast.

 

Thomas Sewell: No, no! He had a sinister energy.

 

Joel Davis: I thought he was just like one of the dads organising, like, a Lego day for the kids. Because at one point he was like:

 

“I’m just here trying to organise a Lego day for the kids here.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Why don’t you organise a fucking push-up day, you fat cunt?”

 

You know what I mean? [chuckling]

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s always the same physiognomy, though, man.

 

Joel Davis: But, an older other gentleman that was probably his gay lover that I just thought was one of the other dads or something.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. They weren’t with their kids. I didn’t realise it at the time. I thought they were dads and I thought they had kids with them. But there were other people’s kids. They weren’t their kids. They were just two random volunteers that were friends with each other that were running a Lego stand in the middle of town.

 

And the more I think about it, the more I’m like, I’m pretty sure he was secretly gay. And I reckon he’s a sex offender. I reckon if I can find out the guy’s name and send it to all our colleagues in Bendigo. And Bendigo is not a big place. It’s maybe 100,000 people. I’m sure the people of Bendigo will be able to tell us whether the guy was a paedophile or not.

 

[1:35:24]

 

 

Joel Davis: I just want to say if you like the stream, retweet the stream. Even better, like and retweet and let’s get the views up. Promote the stream. We’re on Twitter. We’re taking over Twitter. Hail Elon Musk, hail our people! I just want to say that now. So we get the retweets juiced. But you can go back to calling out this pedo, because we need to find him.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s what we said earlier. Who has a problem with fascism? Who has a problem with a nationalist government taking over the state apparatus? Who will lose from that? Every single working White Australian and even people that aren’t working, people looking for work, every single White Australian that is not up to some nefarious act to betray the country and destroy it, has literally nothing to fear. They only have things to gain. They’re like:

 

“Oh, cool. Housing is cheaper, there’s less traffic. Like, the services work better. Everyone’s kind and polite. You don’t need to lock the door. You don’t need to worry about your safety.”

 

Like, the whole society is going to improve except for people trying to destroy the country. And people that are up to nefarious acts.

 

So if you’re a financial parasite, for example, like the people within the financial sector that are robbing the country and enslaving it through interest, debt slavery, the people that are profiting off selling off Australia and its assets, the people that are grooming children, the paedophiles, the whole industry, the whole LGBT industry. These people have something to lose. These people are going to be unearthed. These people are going to have the state apparatus used against them.

 

So that’s why they haggle us in the street. They don’t want us to succeed. They don’t want us to take power. But every normal, functioning human being in society is just like., … I mean, obviously if they’re brown, they’re usually functioning, but they have to go back.

 

But all the White people, they’re either neutral or they support us. They’re like:

 

“Oh, well, we’ll see if you guys take power!”

 

You know, they don’t believe it. They’re not believers. There’s a lot of people that don’t think we can do it, but we can do it. And we’re going to do it, and we’re going to show everyone.

 

And then after we win and the state apparatus is being used against the people that are trying to destroy the country, the country will suddenly work a lot better.

 

Blair Cottrell: You’ve got to will it into action, don’t you? What I wish I could will into action is the removal of LED lights! Does anyone else hate LED lights? Like, I feel like they’re damaging my eyes.

 

Thomas Sewell: You gotta remove the [words unclear] room first.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, yeah. And when I’m driving around on the street, I remember when I was young, car headlights, they just had this pleasant glow through them, but now they’re blinding! Now I’m squinting even at night while I’m driving, and I feel like my brain. I get headaches. My brain not shutting off. I’m not sleeping as easily as I used to, and I swear it’s LED lights, man. I think they’re really screwing with my eyes and my mind. It’s so sick of it! I don’t know if anyone else has the same experience, but.

 

Thomas Sewell: Hundred percent, 100%.

 

Blair Cottrell: So what’s next? Joel Davis?

 

So we got a new topic to move on to.

 

Joel Davis: We do. But I just wanted to tell one more funny story from the Bendigo thing, because I think the audience will enjoy this.

 

So there were there’s a couple little packs of Zoomer kids who loved us, and some of them may or may not. I cannot confirm more than I threw Romans. That would be illegal. But and, yeah, one of the boys may or may not have declared that he wanted to shoot Indians in the head and so on. There was a lot of based chatter.

 

Blair Cottrell: No! [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, the Zoomers were, … Talk about bad optics. Think we’re bad optics. The Zoomers were were making us look like a bunch of cuckservatives. You know what I mean? Some of the chat.

 

But there were this group of Zoomers, and they, like, walked off after we, like, spoke to them, and we handed them some flyers. And then they were all talking amongst themselves, and one of the guy’s girlfriend was down, and she was taking some pictures of us as we were doing things throughout the day, so she was a little bit further away, and she overheard them chattering. Like, the boys were like:

 

“Oh, let’s sign up. This would be sick! Like this is like the Aussie KKK! This is fucking based!”

 

One of the kids is like:

 

“Oh, I don’t know.”

 

And he’s like:

 

“What are you, a cuck?”

 

And they were like, full, like, so that was kind of cool like, to hear that report back. So, yeah, that was a cool story.

 

One thing I will say, though, about Bendigo, there’s a lot of surprisingly, it’s sad. There’s a lot of non-Whites there. We were only handing out flyers to White people, obviously. Like, but there was a lot of chinky there.

 

Thomas Sewell: There was one Asian, like, tourist that asked for one, and we were like:

 

“All right.”

 

We gave it to them.

 

Joel Davis: We gave them to all the White people and not to them, and they’re like:

 

“Can we please have one?”

 

We’re like:

 

“Okay.”

 

And then they, like, read it, and they just sat there.

 

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Blair Cottrell: An Australian cultural experience for the Asian tourists. Like, they’ll tell that story when they go home. But Asians like to live amongst Whites, too, so they’re probably looking for the White racist areas.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, yeah.

 

There was an old man and a young kid that saluted us like a normal kind of military salute as we marched past, which was pretty. Well, we didn’t march past, as we walked past, which I thought was pretty funny.

 

Blair Cottrell: Tom, what is the standard Australian military salute? Is it the hand up or down?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, it’s like that. 45 degrees, right?

 

So when you wear a hat these two fingers here touch the brim of the hat. Like that. Yeah. And your arms kind of at that angle, like, at a 45 degree. Whereas the you know, the American salute like that. Yeah, we salute like that.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s more of an open handed. Almost like an honest salute.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And I think, though, the Germans saluted differently. Like, they kind of had the hand facing them before, like the Wehrmacht salute versus the SS salute, which is obviously the HH one.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: But salutes all mean the same thing metaphysically. I mean, it means, like, we get the word “hey” from hail, which is like, hail, like, hello, hey, hail, like, hail Hitler or hail Odin or whatever.

 

Like, to say hello, hey. All that stuff to throw the salute, to do the open hand, it all means the same thing. It’s all a gesture in good faith between White people. And we’ve been doing it for 10,000 plus years. And they’re never going to be able to get rid of it. Just the only difference between the National Socialist or the staunch Roman salute is its a very exaggerated version of just saying hello to people. You know, everyone does it. Like, when you’re driving your car and someone let’s you in, you, like, you give them a little hail, you give them a little wave. So all that it is a militant, staunch, like, there can be no question asked about the faith of the gesture. Obviously coming from someone that’s pro-White when you’re doing it with that straight arm. It’s a very nationalistic, masculine and staunch physical gesture.

 

That’s why it’s so important that we continue to fight it, which is actually going on at the moment in the courts. A little update is that the police have charged two of the young guys with performing it prior to, like Michael Nelson and Nathan Ball, prior to the salute ban. And they charged them not with doing the salute because it wasn’t illegal at a time, but they’ve charged them with public indecency. Which, if you read the law, it’s basically like showing your genitals in public or mooning someone. And they’re trying to correlate the Roman salute prior to the Roman salute ban being like, akin to mooning or showing of genitals in public.

 

So they’re fighting that in the courts at the moment, but they’re postponing the court date until after we get a result from Jacob’s hearing, which should be, I think, in two weeks.

 

Joel Davis: For those who don’t know, Jacob is being charged more directly under the Roman salute ban over throwing a Roman salute, allegedly.

 

So that’s a very important case because from our position, collectively, legally, and also, I think Jacob’s position legally in the case is that Australians have a constitutional right to free political communication. There’s been many, …

 

Blair Cottrell: An implied right. It’s not actually a right. It’s an implied right.

 

Joel Davis: Implied right. Regardless. Like that’s the High Court precedent, is that we have a right to free political communication in this country according to the High Court, which is the highest court in the land.

 

So we have it, according to the court. That’s just, …

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s true. And actually the way they argued I was guilty in my hate speech or intent to incite ridicule hate speech court battle, was that my speech was actually limiting the free political expression of others by making them feel offended or uncomfortable. Right. So they argued it from that angle, which was interesting.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s the same argument that they’re making with Jacob. I swear I talked about this on stream last week, but maybe I didn’t.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, maybe they’re using the same precedent as they did with my, it worked with me. They got a conviction, so they’re probably using the same method.

 

Joel Davis: Well, what we’re arguing is that, yeah, like the non-Whites, they’re too intimidated to exercise their right to free political communication because Jacob throwing a Roman salute is intimidating them into staying silent and, or something. Which is a totally absurd argument!

 

Blair Cottrell: They should have to provide evidence of that they should have to have witnesses and evidence for that.

 

Thomas Sewell: If it was a real court. [chuckling]

 

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Joel Davis: It’s an absurd argument on its face. Like it’s an absolute joke!:

 

“Oh, so you can’t exercise your right to free political communication because other people might be upset by what you say and therefore not communicate their politics!”

 

That’s just absurd on its face! That’s not freedom of political communication. It’s inherently wrong.

 

But yeah, this is an important case. Because free speech is a very important case. There is going to be, I think the Libertarian Party, but they’re bringing in other people. They’re doing a protest, not a protest, kind of like a rally in Sydney, I think, on Saturday. Don’t quote me on that. It could be Sunday, but look it up, in Sydney. And they’re going to have a lot of big speakers. I think Craig Kelly is going to be there. Like mainstream populist Right and libertarian speakers are going to be there rallying against the Misinformation Disinformation Bill*.

 

[* A proposal for legislation designed to tackle online misinformation has seen Australia’s Federal Government come under fire from an unlikely alliance of critics, who have warned it constitutes a “chilling assault” on free speech in Australia.

The Communications Legislation Amendment (Combatting Misinformation and Disinformation) Bill 2024, which was introduced to Parliament last week by Communications Minister Michelle Rowland, would give the Australian Communications & Media Authority (ACMA) wide-ranging new powers to impose massive fines-up to 5% of global revenues-on social media platforms that allow the dissemination of misinformation and disinformation on their services. Claiming that misinformation and disinformation pose a “serious threat” to social cohesion and democracy, the legislation shifts responsibility for enforcing compliance onto the platforms hosting it, running the risk that corporations would put the protection of their bottom line above free speech and religious expression. Already in its second draught after an earlier version was universally condemned, including by the Australian Human Rights Commission, the updated legislation immediately came under ferocious attack by groups from all sides of public discourse. https://www.christiantoday.com/article/unlikely.alliance.forms.in.australia.over.fears.misinformation.bill.puts.free.speech.at.stake/142179.htm]

 

And obviously we’re not Libertarians. You know, we don’t support them politically. But on this issue we agree that they’re actually trying to provide some opposition to the bill.

 

And I encourage nationalists in Sydney to go down there and rub shoulders and maybe have a chat with some people, maybe be good networking opportunity for like minded people. I find lately it’s been very easy as a nationalist to talk to conservatives and libertarians. They’re much more open minded and receptive to hearing what I have to say than they were two years ago. Conservatives and libertarians are increasingly feeling that we’re on their side against the same enemy. Even if they don’t agree with us. I think we’re a little bit too extreme and too radical. Their attitude has shifted. Where before they really kind of like saw us as just like too crazy and that we were like a completely different category that they don’t associate with. I think now they’re feeling more like bunched up with us and more proximal to us.

 

And a lot of conservatives are just outright chill with us now. And that’s probably why we had such a chill reaction on the streets of Bendigo the other day and why no recent rallies that we’ve done have gone down a lot better, I think with the public.

 

Blair Cottrell: The normalisation of racism happening.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I think that’s happening to a large extent.

 

But also, yeah, I think on this particular issue, the reason why they’re trying to censor the Internet is because they’re trying to shut us down! And people like us, like people with nationalist views. That’s the main reason! It’s not because they’re trying to shut down any of these other political ideologies. Like, yeah, they want to, they want to shut down certain other discourses they don’t like, critical of other government policies.

 

But the main number one priority is shutting down, quote, unquote “racism” and quote, unquote “anti-semitism”. That’s really what it really boils down to. And they’re trying to stand up and fight for our freedom of speech, our freedom to be racist, our freedom to advocate for our worldview.

 

And so we’re in alliance with them on this particular issue. We’re in a kind of free speech alliance de facto in Australian politics.

 

So we should go stand shoulder to shoulder with them and kind of create that camaraderie. Because that’s the message that I have to libertarians and conservatives. You might think that myself and Blair and Tom and people in our movement are too extreme or too radical for your taste, but we’re the fighters that are going to go and fight your enemies. The communists, the Marxists, the social liberals that have taken over not just the government, but all the kind of institutions of power in this country that are bringing in all these immigrants, that are destroying our culture, destroying our way of life, trying to teach the kids to be trans, teach them to hate Australia, trying to change the flag, change the national anthem, you know, give all the land back to the Aboriginals and all this crazy shit that they’re doing. We’re the guys that are going to go and take the fight to that enemy, which is your enemy, and you understand that’s your enemy.

 

So get out of our way at the very least, or maybe cheer us on going and kind of like taking the battle, being the Spearhead against all the political powers that be, that you hate and that you’re opposed to, that you recognise as your enemy. Like, we’re in this together in a certain sense. You need us. You need the radicals that are going to take the fight to them because frankly, the conservative movement, libertarian movement, you guys don’t have enough fight to really beat these guys. You don’t! You need a hardcore radical edge.

 

And that’s why the Left have won. Because the Left got out of its way of its communists, of its. Of its radical fringe. It allowed its radical fringe to take the charge, to lead the charge against the right for decades. They took over the universities, they infiltrated the Labour unions, they infiltrated the political parties. They got themselves in the media, all these different positions of power, and they push their agenda.

 

Because they got out the way of their radicals while conservatives and so on were canceling our radicals on the Right because we were bad optics or we were too extreme or whatever. They just ran over us!

 

So it’s time for you guys to take the shackles off the Nazis and let us fucking. Let us go at the enemy. Like we’re chained up in the backyard and we’re the pit bull, we just want to go and like bite the bone! [Blair laughing] you know, take the chain off. Let us go and bite these fucking commies!

 

Blair Cottrell: They’re worried, man. They’re worried that if we bite someone, we’re going to get put down. [chuckling]

 

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Thomas Sewell: Before we move on from the Roman salute thing, I just wanted to read out. I’ve been helping them draught their submissions for the court. And one of the final points in the conclusion for their statements, I had, I’m just going to read it out to people because most people won’t actually watch the actual court case because it’ll be in a closed court or there won’t be the option for that. But what I’m helping them draught up was:

 

“To charge or convict White Australians for asserting their political rights in the face of foreigners asserting their foreign political issues.”

 

Because the context of their Roman salutes were, there was an Iranian protest in the city and they were aggravating the boys because obviously, you know, these fucking foreigners in our country, they assert their political so-called rights over us.

 

And anyway, the Roman salute was in retaliation. Well, not necessarily retaliation, but it was one group asserting their political rights, and then these two boys asserting their political rights. And one group got charged and the other didn’t. And you can guess who. But to finish that, I said:

 

“For them to assert their political rights in the face of foreigners creates a clear two tier policing and legal system, which ultimately establishes White Australians as Second Class citizens in their own country, whilst foreigners waving foreign flags become first class citizens who are allowed to offend with impunity.”

 

So they’ve actually done their homework, they’ve done a lot of work, and they’ve actually put together, they’re self representing, which at this level of court is fine to do it. Magistrates, you don’t need to get a lawyer. It’s a waste of money. They’ve already had five court dates and still nothing has happened. It’s still getting adjourned and pushed back.

 

So they’ve already saved themselves tens of thousands of dollars, which is very smart of them. And they’ve been doing their homework, and they’ve put together a very strong case for the history of the Roman salute. You know, the laws in regards to this, the precedents in regards to this, or the precinct cases. And also the fact that all part of living in a democracy or part of living in Victoria is you have to put up with other people you don’t agree with, and showing that these other groups do and say things that would be considered offensive by normal Australian standards.

 

Like, for example, the Aboriginals saying, you know, that Australia is going to be black in the future, or saying that they want to basically kill Whitey, or whatever their banner is supposed to say. And that none of these people have been charged. There’s no precedence that any Aboriginal has been charged for any of their offensive political demonstrations, which are against the sensibilities of all normal Australians.

 

And likewise, you know, there shouldn’t be a two tier system where White people should be charged for their political assertions. Which we obviously know there’s already precedents there. They’ve charged Blair and they obviously charged Neil Erikson and Chris Shortis with hurting the feelings of Muslims in 2017.*

 

[Far-right nationalists found guilty of inciting serious contempt for Muslims after mock beheading video. By James Oaten Topic: Courts and Trials Tuesday 5 September 2017 White nationalists found guilty of inciting serious contempt of Muslims (Louise Milligan) Three far-Right nationalists who staged a mock beheading to protest against the building of a mosque in Bendigo in central Victoria have been found guilty of inciting serious contempt of Muslims.

Blair Cottrell, Christopher Shortis and Neil Erikson have each been fined $2,000 after they filmed the beheading of a mannequin with a toy sword outside the Bendigo council offices in 2015. The so-called ‘Bendigo Three’ argued that their video, which was released on the United Patriot’s Front Facebook page, was an act of free speech that focused on a specific tenet of Islam. But the magistrate disagreed, arguing the video was clearly intended to create serious contempt for or ridicule of Muslims.

“We live in a community which is inclusive and that each individual deserves the right to live their life peacefully.”

Magistrate Peter Hardy said.

“You more than just crossed a line.”

It is the first time a criminal charge under Victoria’s Racial and Religious Tolerance Act has been tested in court. Other charges relating to damaging public property were struck out. The three men have since told the media that they intend to appeal the decision, saying they “expected” the outcome. Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-05/three-men-found-guilty-of-inciting-serious-contempt-for-muslims/8874804]

 

Joel Davis: I just want to say quickly, the details. The rally is Saturday, like this coming Saturday, the 28th in Sydney at Speaker’s Corner. 08:30 am. So get down there. I encourage you if you live in Sydney and I’d get down there on Saturday, go check it out. I think some of the boys would be down there. So you might meet some friendlies. You know, you might spot the [word unclear] of a seemingly co-White nationalist. It’s a chance to meet and greet at a neutral location and maybe have a chat also to the conservatives and the Libertarians down there. You could have some productive conversations and support the opposition to this Bill, which is a really bad Bill that’s going to negatively impact our ability to spread our ideas online and just our general online freedoms. So it’s good to see public opposition. And I think they’re going to do a rally in Melbourne, a similar outfit, a similar rally, I think not this weekend, but next weekend, but I guess we’ll talk about it on the show next week. I don’t know too many details about that one, so just want to put that out there. It’s important to be politically involved in issues like this.

 

I think free speech, our core engagement with the mainstream, the political mainstream is free speech issues, obviously anti-immigration and pro-deportation. Anything to do with those are like our kind of bread and butter. Like, one is like our core most core issue and which is just the demographics of the country.

 

And the other is like protecting our ability to advocate for ourselves, like in public and organise a political movement. You know, those are like really like the two most essential issues, I think, when we’re engaging with the political mainstream. So, I mean, there’s lots of other issues to concern ourselves with. So, yeah, that’s just my view on that.

 

Do you guys want to talk about, because, Blair, you did a Twitter space a few days ago and you were making, I think, an interesting point, which I think you should reiterate here on the stream. Where you were talking about how you think that excessive moralizing and ideological minutiae often gets in the way within the movement of focusing upon a clear and focused form of messaging that is just going to achieve maximum popularity and achieve maximum clarity of, who’s on our side, who’s against us.

 

And I thought you stated your case quite well. So I thought I was just going to invite you to reiterate that point. And it’s actually interesting. So, yeah, you want to jump into that?

 

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Blair Cottrell: I think I stated it so well it over the heads of a lot of my standard audience.

 

So for that reason, I just removed the replay because I wanted to articulate it better. I don’t expect I’ll articulate it as well as I want to now. It’s getting late in the night, and this is the time at which my brain starts to shut down, because I’m only slightly smarter than average. I’m not that smart. When I get tired, I go to average and below become like everybody else again. And I’m almost at that point now. [chuckling]

 

So look my observation was that we basically suffer from too much idealism. White people generally, we get tricked, misled, and have the scope of our reasoning powers severely limited by that idealism. An example of this is the equality concept. We all know you guys watching this show probably agree that human equality is ridiculous! But it doesn’t really matter how matter how ridiculous it is. It’s this kind of reality, this social programme that most people adhere to, even if they don’t agree with it, in order not to suffer social consequences, right?

 

But in contrast to our race, our ethnic community, we have the jewish community, jewish people. And they don’t have this long list of ideals and social values about justice and truth and morality that they’re in adherence to. They just have this singular ideal, one only. And that is the ideal of their own superiority over non-jews.

 

And the fact that non-jews exist only to serve them, or die, whatever. They don’t care, as long as they’re number one. That’s the ideal governing our enemy.

 

And you can see how we’re at a tremendous disadvantage if we’re going to allow ourselves to be severely limited, not just in belief and understanding, but also in action, in what we can actually do in order to effectively stand up to and overthrow this enemy, right? Because this enemy, to quote Churchill when he was speaking about the power the jewish communists had over Russia:

 

“This enemy has gripped us by the hair on our heads all around the world!”

 

And I think in order to fight this enemy, we need to understand that over moralizing, having too many ideals is going to restrict our reasoning powers and our ability to move. We need to be able to move in many different directions, and we need to be able to say whatever we need to say and do whatever we need to do in order to establish the kind of results, measurable results! Victories! And results in regards to securing our own existence, right? And that was the point that I was trying to make in the space. I thought that I could articulate it better, though.

 

And like I said, I don’t think I’ve done that good of a job now, either. I’ve got to think more about it because it all just comes down to what I always talk about, which is just having that singular, simple view of life, boiling everything down to that one us versus them dynamic. This is who we are. We’re defending that. We’re advancing that over there is who our enemy is, down with them.

 

And whatever you need to do in that process of building up your own community and sort of destroying or at least releasing yourself from the grip of your enemies, you do it. And what frustrates me, I suppose, is there’s a lot of things that members of our own ethnic community won’t do for moral reasons. You know, they won’t fight dirty enough.

 

For example, the jewish community, they’ll say that they support equality in our nations, but they won’t support equality in their own nation, right?

 

So they’ve got that ability to change their stance where necessary in order to put their enemies at disadvantage and then make their own position more advantageous to them in certain circumstances. I don’t want to get too much more into it for the time being, but, you know what I’m trying to say, right? We need to be able to do whatever we have to do to win! That’s what I’m trying to say. And if we’re going to be restricted to a certain scope of reasoning or activity as a result of morals, truth, justice, idealism, anything which restricts us too much, shouldn’t be taken into consideration. Or at the very most, we should pretend or ostensibly be seen to observe it. But then we’re not actually observing it. You understand what I mean by that?

 

The jews are very good at that as well. They pretend to observe our morals and traditions, for example. But then when you pay attention to what they’re actually doing, they’re not showing any respect whatsoever to our traditions and basic moral structure of society. They’re changing it from within.

 

So, yeah, something to think about, that’s all.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. The way I would phrase it is that politics is more fundamentally existential than it is moral. Like, politics is not there to decide over all moral questions. A lot of that is left to the domain of your personal life. The point of politics is to secure peace and security for your people.

 

Basically, the reason why we have to come together and form governments and form big societies is because we need a powerful entity to stand up for us against all the other potential powerful entities in this world that are going to come and take our shit and fuck us over. Because we live in a hostile world. There’s many other groups in this world that don’t give a shit about you. They don’t give a shit about your family, I don’t give a shit about your country. And they want to take as much from you and your people as they can.

 

And the reason why you need politics is so that you can have guys that are on your side that understand that our group, our people need to stand up and defend ourselves to protect what is ours from that hostile world.

 

So that’s what politics is about. It’s about securing a future, securing your way of life. It’s not about deciding on all these moral questions. So, like, for example, I see in my Telegram chat or on Twitter, like a basically endless argument, for example, between Christians and pagans that agree on White nationalism, and they get into this massive back and forth. And this is a very intellectually interesting debate. And it’s an important debate, like your personal decision, but whether you are a Christian or not, or a pagan or not, or whatever is actually very important, obviously.

 

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But when it gets to the point where you’re dividing the entire movement on the basis of this other issue, and therefore you’re dividing Whiteman power, you’re dividing pro-White resources, and you’re basically limiting our capacity to build the most powerful possible movement to defend our people’s interests, well, then it’s actually destroying the point of this. The point of this movement is securing a future for White people, and particularly in Australia, it’s for securing this future for White Australians and White Australia. That’s what this is about.

 

There’s other issues that are important, but they aren’t essential to that goal. And so there has to be a kind of marginalisation of things which aren’t essential to the political movement from the political movement where we can agree to disagree and work together upon securing a future for our people.

 

And obviously you’re going to go to, one group’s going to go to church, one group’s going to do whatever.

 

And once the ethno-state is secured and all enemy threats have been neutralised, then you guys can debate over are we going to have Christian White Australia or pagan White Australia or whatever? If you really want to.

 

But, you know, now is not the time for that. And there’s so much like ideological spurgery where people want to debate minutiae rather than getting done to the brass tacks of how the hell are we going to get manpower and resources organised to defend our fucking race? How are we going to make sure our race fucking survives?

 

And if you’re not operating on that level where that’s the main focus of what you care about and what you’re doing when you’re in the White nationalist movement online, if instead you’re going on in the White nationalist movement online and all you’re doing is engaging in e-drama against other White nationalists and picking fights over like, dumb shit and arguing over, yeah, as I said, ideological minutiae or whatever, that is tangential to the essential points of how we’re going to progress the movement, how are we going to advance our people, then like, what the fuck are you doing? You’re not in the White nationalist movement. You’re not actually engaging in politics per se. You’re just like, hanging out on the Internet, getting into frivolous arguments.

 

So that’s something that’s very important, I think, where we must focus upon the core, as Blair said, like, who are we? Who are we against? And how are we going to advance our cause against the enemy and just be like, very single mindedly focused upon those objectives. And if we can get our attention and focus on those objectives and our money and time focus on those objectives, then we have a fucking chance of surviving as a race. But otherwise we’re just going to be having these dumb spurgy arguments for the 4,000,000th time on the:

 

“Oh, all pagans are jews, all Christians are jews!”

 

Or whatever.

 

Blair Cottrell: All we have to do is survive, …

 

Joel Davis: Calling each other jewish, communist. And it’s like, what the fuck are we doing here? You know what I mean?

 

Blair Cottrell: The simple nature of our struggle too, is all we have to do is survive. I think I said it on last stream, or the stream before that we’re a race that so long as we survive in our most basic form and we don’t become overly diluted, if we have the same opportunity to procreate, flourish, then we eventually adapt, win, overcome. We become master of the world. That’s why there’s such a strong genocide effort against our race right now. Because in order to win against White people, you need to ethnically destroy them. If you don’t, they eventually rise, win, adapt, and become master of the world again. So all we have to do is survive as a race, and by default we end up winning as a result of our own genetic predisposition.

 

Joel Davis: And like, I understand that a lot of these arguments are actually important, and there’s a space for them. Like, if there’s intellectual content creators and there’s an intellectual, and I engage in that sometimes as well. But we have to learn how to bracket that from the political, that, like, we can have that argument in the intellectual space of the free marketplace of ideas, and we can debate these subjects, but we need to be able to bracket the political friend-enemy distinction from that and say:

 

“Well, at the end of the day, I don’t agree with this person on this issue and that issue, but we need to have some kind of coordination or some kind of allegiance or loyalty to one another if we’re going to get out of this as a race.”

 

Because if we have, like, every different ideological sub faction and religious sub faction and so on splintering off and doing their own thing, that isn’t going to cut it. We need to be pro-White first and foremost. That has to be the essential principle of the movement. Race has to be the foundation. That’s the only foundation which is the correct foundation!

 

First of all, because we are being attacked as a race by the enemy. Fundamentally, the enemy is coming after us because of our race, not because of any of these other details. And they’re coming after us as a race. So we have to defend ourselves as a race.

 

But secondarily, race is the only principle which is going to be strong enough to build a political movement around to resist this.

 

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Blair Cottrell: It’s because it’s the most integral, fundamental identity that you can use to identify yourself, right? Like Christian, pagan, Catholic, Protestant, and various other social political identities they’re all just abstract. They exist inside your mind and you can change them tomorrow. Like, I can wake up tomorrow and decide I’m going to be Catholic. I can wake up tomorrow and decide that I’m going to be Protestant of some degree. But I can’t wake up tomorrow and decide I’m going to be black, or a different race. I’m like, genetically this race. This is who I am, and it’s a result of hundreds, thousands of years of survival, through my family lineage, and that is my most fundamental identity, as is the same for you if you’re watching this stream. So you’ve really got to boil it down to that, because that’s the most important fundamental identity that you can have the understanding of, right? That’s who you are.

 

Joel Davis: It also, like these other things are important. Religion and everything is important, but as a principle of unity, because politics is a team sport, politics it’s not a individual sport. You know MMA is a sport for individuals. Like, you need a team to train with and stuff, but politics is a team sport. You need a big team. If you try to play a team sport with not enough players against a full strength team, you get smacked. That’s why if you play soccer and half your team gets red carded, well, you’re going to lose. You know, if it’s five to eleven, you’re going to lose.

 

And White people are playing like, one vs eleven because everyone wants to be an individual and we’re so atomized, but then also we’re like, intellectually atomized and so on. And we have to just at the end of the day, be, we’re on the same team. You don’t have to like everyone on your team. You don’t actually have to like everyone on your team. You can think there’s a bunch of people on your team that are shit people and they’re fucking retards! But they’re on your fucking team! And we win as a team or we lose as a team. Like, White people win as a race or we lose as a race. That’s how this is going to go down.

 

So we need to play as a team to the fullest extent possible.

 

And then, yeah, once we win, then we can go back to fucking our disputes and differences and so on. And they are totally legitimate disputes and differences. Like, I’m not denying their importance, but we are born into a time in history of race war. Race war is already happening. Like, the race war isn’t going to happen at some point.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s arguably been a constant for known human history.

 

Joel Davis: Well, yeah. We are born into a race war. Like, the invaders are in our country, the shit skins are raping the women, they’re breeding with our tribe, they’re taking over our institutions. You know, the jews are controlling the banks, they’re controlling the media, they’re controlling the government. They’ve got all that third world invaders taking all these positions of power and all the systems in place to elevate them to rule over us. Like, we’re already being occupied by, like, alien forces that are systematically using state repression to prevent us from organising. Like, the race war is already here. You’re in a race war!

 

So it’s like you can have all your arguments about everything else, but it’s like, do you want to fucking win or lose? I want my grandchildren to not be a persecuted minority in the land that their forefathers built. I want them to actually have protection. I want them to have their own country that’s going to take care of them.

 

So that’s what this is about! And a lot of people somehow managed to lose sight of that. And it’s actually quite frustrating.

 

I don’t know if you have thoughts on this, Tom.

 

Thomas Sewell: I’ve expressed my feelings on this many times on the show, and I don’t really want to repeat myself. To have a sort of fresh, fresh eyes on its a very good point this idea that it’s a team sport, we’ve got to stop thinking about it as individuals. Lot of people that just want to be left alone, and you need to take your politics to its logical conclusion. You can be left alone for now and maybe next year, and the year after and the year after, but you’re just kicking the can down the road.

 

At some point, we need to solve the problem. There is a problem, an existential problem, or a problem for the existence of our people, and we are slowly becoming a minority in our countries, and we have to put a stop to that! And we’re in a stronger position to put a stuff to it now, rather than later.

 

So let’s deal with it now!

 

Anyone that’s like:

 

“Oh, well, actually, I’m going to stay as embedded in the system as possible and I might send a Superchat and yeah, I’ll consume content, but, yeah, like, I’ll just I’ll just keep working on my career. And that’s the priority because then I can pay for my 2.5 kids and a Labrador in a city.”

 

It’s like:

 

“Okay, and then what are your kids gonna do?”

 

And really disagree fundamentally with the strategy, the life strategy of:

 

“Well, we’ll just build the tower taller and then we won’t have to smell the shit!”

 

It’s like, no, let’s just clean up the shit! Like, let’s just solve the problem. And then your children, whatever they do in life, they’re gonna just kick goals, they’re gonna succeed, they’re gonna be winning, because they’re going to be growing up in a healthy society, and that’s just not the future that’s destined for them on the current trajectory.

 

[2:13:09]

 

So we have to be radical in changing that trajectory and not giving a fuck about what traitors and faggots and weaklings think about how we should change it.

 

So in summary, it comes down to a triumph of the will. It comes down to, as an individual, are you subject to or subject of this society, or are you going to contribute to building a better society?

 

And I think that’s really what it comes down to, this master and slave morality. If you have a slave morality, then you’re subject to society’s whims. You know, if it’s socially acceptable to be X or Y or Z, then you’ll do it, because it’s socially acceptable:

 

“It’s not socially acceptable the moment to be a Nazi!”

 

It’s like, well, it’s fucking never going to be with that attitude!

 

So why don’t you just stop caring about what it is or isn’t to be socially acceptable in a society that glorifies faggots and traitors and fucking merchants! That’s the faggot society we live in. It glorifies that shit! Why don’t you not care about that? Why don’t you have a solar morality, or a master morality where it’s:

 

“Well, actually I value these things. I value integrity. I value honour, I value our race, I value our culture, I value our heritage. I don’t actually care about society’s values. It’s society that needs to change, not me!”

 

And when you bring that attitude to the table now, you’re more committed to solving the problem.

 

And what I’ll finish with is Western Chauvinist, if you don’t follow them already on Telegram or Twitter, you should. Western Chauvinist shared something today that was a good summary of what all the critics have of us and our model and our worldview. And it’s in quotation marks:

 

“You think you’re going to win by meeting up with guys to box in the park?”

 

End quotation mark. And what Western Chauvinist replies to this is he says:

 

“No, I think we’re going to win by organising. You can’t organise seriously with a bunch of risk adverse, conflict avoidant podcast fans. If someone will meet in the park to train with you, they’re infinitely more committed to the cause than someone who sends Superchats to their preferred online hot taker. If your entire connection to the cause can be cut off by your phone running out of battery, you’re not doing anything.”

 

And that’s what I’ll finish on. That’s where power comes from small groups of men and their families banding together and forming local community. They’re only able to do the kind of shit they’re doing to us at the moment, like the horrible treatment that they’re having of us, because we’re atomized.

 

Despite the fact that we’re still a majority in our own country, we’re an atomized majority! We’re an alienated majority! We don’t have community that is 100% clear as to what its community purpose is. We have all these sub communities within the White race. We have Richmond Football Club or Carlton Football Club. We have the Diggers Club or the RSL. We have the Rotary Club. We have, you know, it just infinite White people clubs. Infinite White people clubs, but none of them are explicitly White. We have infinite White people clubs, but also zero White people clubs! Because they’re not explicit.

 

So for us to secure an existence for our people, a future for our children, we have to make explicit organisations that stand on that bedrock of race! And be unafraid and confrontational and prepared to bear the brunt of that.

 

So when you go down that path, you will initially lose. When you go down that path, so lose is the wrong word. You will initially have loss. And that’s what everyone’s afraid of that’s why people don’t want to do it, because you’re afraid of that initial loss. I understand that loss is not nice. But to grow, you have to have trauma. To grow, you have to have stress.

 

Blair Cottrell: You only, like doctrine is written in blood. You only actually learn by losing, adapting, and sort of growing as a result. If you never lose, you never learn anything. And you never actually develop the necessary adaptations to prevent yourself from losing in that same way again.

 

And so the more we lose, the stronger we get.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, you will lose family. You will lose friends. You will lose privileges. You will lose maybe extra income. You know, you will lose career prospects. You will initially have loss. And those losses will be a sacrifice. They will all add up.

 

But it’s highly unlikely that 99.9% of you, while things are still peaceful, are going to be killed. You’re actually more likely to die in a car crash than from being a nationalist. So far, we haven’t had a single nationalist in Australia this decade assassinated. Not one! We’ve had one terrorist attack against us, one serious one, and a few minor ones. But these are publicly facing spokespeople. We’re not asking anyone to do that. We’re asking for men to stand with us in the street and to be part of our community and for our wives to know your wives and for our kids to grow up together so that they’re not growing up around all the freaks in society. You know, we’re trying to build. That’s what we mean by parallel community.

 

[2:18:36]

 

So, yeah, we’re at the Spearhead, we’re at the vanguard. We’re at the forefront. But there is no reason why you can’t be in a supporting role with that.

 

But in the absence of that, as I said earlier in the show, we are trying to build a way to incorporate more people into the broader, another ring or another circle to our movement. If we’ve got a kind of inner circle and an outer circle, we’re building another circle, a supportive circle.

 

But that is still, like, what we really need more than just money and finances to push the movement into the next area that it needs to go, which is more professional, more facilities. We need support in managing the whole operation as well, financial support. What we need also is people to come to events.

 

So we have all of our community meetings, we have all of our protests, stuff like this. We understand if people want to be risk averse to that, but we need people to come out in person, in real life, to events, whether they be ticketed events, whether they be like, once or twice a year at a national meetup. We’re not asking you to necessarily be in black block and march in the street with us. We understand that the apprehension for some people to do that, for a lot of people to do that.

 

But, you know, it would be good to have you on the mailing list. It would be good to be able to send you guys stuff, physical stuff that we can produce, when we’ve got all that sort of stuff set up, of showing you what we’ve done, like progress reports, monthly reports of:

 

“Hey, this is what we’ve done. This is the activism we did. This is the training we did, this is the meetups we did.”

 

Stuff like that would be awesome to have in order to continue to build community.

 

And then when we do have these events, you can be actually there, you can be present, you can be a live listener.

 

And then that in itself, even if it’s just a photo of the back of your head, in a crowd of 100 or 200 or 300 or 500 people, that in itself encourages other people to get involved at different levels, at different capacities. So your sacrifice, what you risk and what you sacrifice, actually pays into a spiritual fund. I know this sounds a bit ridiculous, but your sacrifice, everything you lose, it actually contributes ultimately to our victory. Because when enough people have sacrificed enough, then we win. And it’s going to take a lot of men and a lot of families and a lot of sacrifice, a lot of time, a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get where we need to go. I’ll finish there.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I think we should maybe start getting into the Superchats. Cause we’ve been going for a while now.

 

But my final thoughts on this. You know, one of the main criticisms that we get is that we refer to ourselves as National Socialists ideologically. And the view is that people would be willing to organise around White nationalism, but National Socialism freaks people out or something. This is the argument. And my response to that is that I think, and we think, that until National Socialism is seen as something positive for a large portion of the community, they will be too cucked to actually organise a revolutionary, pro-White movement, because of all the things that are bound up with that.

 

Now, I can understand you say:

 

“Should we use the swastika as a symbol?”

 

And these are all like interesting arguments or whatever, but as a basic point, if you are willing to put your race first and organise around on the basis of race, you are going to at the very least, be kind of open minded to the idea that National Socialism is a good idea. You’re not going to be freaked out like:

 

“That’s a horrible, evil thing!”

 

But also additionally, the main way in which people get freaked out that being a pro-White or being White nationalist is a horrible, evil thing is implicit in this argument is through its association to National Socialism. So that means we’re going to have to do some work to try and give National Socialism a new meaning and a difference of perspective in the community. We have to do some work to normalise National Socialism.

 

We’re going to have to do some work, get people comfortable with and supportive of National Socialism to break that spell! Because that spectre is still going to be there. Like, if you make, if we make an organisation, it’s purely just called “White nationalists”. It’s purely White nationalists. There’s no explicit association with National Socialists. You’re going to get called Nazis! And there’s going to be this spectre of:

 

“Well, what do you think about Hitler and the Holocaust?”

 

And like, this whole thing is still going to be like this spectre, like lingering over the movement that you can’t step over.

 

And if you basically refuse to then go out and actually defend National Socialism or talk about it in a positive light and just try and avoid, avoid, avoid, avoid, avoid! That thing is going to stay there. It’s going to be this thing hanging over your head entirely, and you’re doing absolutely nothing to fight back against it or break the spell, because you’re afraid of breaking the spell because you think that:

 

“Well, that’s extra work if we have to break the spell and advance White nationalism. Now we’re doing two things. Wouldn’t it just be easier if we could just advance White nationalism?”

 

And it’s like, no! We actually have to break the spell. I don’t think we’re actually going to be able to get there without doing some spell-breaking.

 

[2:23:53]

 

So that’s why we’re taking the hard road of breaking the spell. But we’re creating a new brand of White nationalism. It’s going to be this Australian 21st century. It’s not a copy and paste. We don’t have the same uniformity. We have a lot of differences with our own personality. We’re going to do a new form of this. And, yeah, we’re going to talk about what we like, about what the Germans did and so on, but it’s going to be our version, it’s going to be different, and it has our characteristics. And as it grows, it’s going to have all these very 21st century Australian characteristics, because we’re very 21st century Australians. If, you know, us, you see us, we’re kind of normal Aussie guys. We’re nothing doing like this German larp on the basis of some German fetishism. But we do take inspiration from that movement, because within European, and particularly Germanic, and we’re a Germanic nation. We’re not a German nation, but we’re a Germanic people. A Celto-Germanic people. The Australian nation, in its core.

 

The one political ideology that stood up to liberalism and communism successfully was National Socialism! There isn’t actually another ideology in the modern world that has done that.

 

So that’s why we’re taking our cues from that, because that’s what we’re trying to do here, because we see these two other option ideologies as both ideologies that are trying to genocide our fucking race!

 

So that’s what’s happening.

 

So to me, like, that’s our position. You might disagree, but deal with that particular argument. The argument that we’re always. I’m always hearing is that if we just step over National Socialism and pretend it doesn’t exist and say that we aren’t Nazis and just completely avoid the subject, that somehow, by magic, this will prevent us from having to defend ourselves from the accusations or deal with the subject of National Socialism in any capacity. You’re not going to be able to do that. Sorry!

 

So we’re going to have to normalise this.

 

That’s why it’s so good! Hitler’s going viral on TikTok. And people are making videos about World War Two revisionism, and David Irving and his books need to be promoted. And we need to talk about these things we talked about, like the Tucker Carlson interview the other day with the revisionist historian and so on. This stuff is also fucking important because we need to break the spell and we need to put all of our energy behind breaking the spell. And White people need to develop a positive view of Adolf Hitler en masse. They need to develop a positive view of National Socialism. You then have to become necessarily ideological National Socialists. They need to develop a positive view, or at least a neutral view and a kind of more objective view. Where right now no one is even really doing that except for us on the fringe because of this spell.

 

So we’re trying to break that spell. We’re trying to present a form of National Socialism contemporary in the modern day to, for people to relate to and support. And that’s one of the key ways in which that spell is going to be broken. So that’s what I have to say about that.

 

If you want to say something about that, Tom, you can. Otherwise we’ll get into the Superchats.