Joel Davis: We are live. It is the 17th of July, 2025. We had some bizarre technical nonsense going on for some reason, but we got the stream happening. We’re here we have Tom back. First time since Australia Day. We’ve got three of us back together. He’s finally off the ridiculous bail conditions. The South Australian police finally dropped the ridiculous charge of loitering from Australia Day, which I’m sure a lot of you are familiar with the events of that day. But it’s good to have you back, Tom.

How do you feel? I mean, I feel personally vindicated. I felt vindicated already considering all the other charges that were dropped. But this really cements the vindication that not just that we didn’t do anything wrong, we knew we didn’t do anything wrong, but that we made the right decision on the day to expose the tyranny. People were saying:

“Oh, how does going to jail, going to save the White race?”

Well, guess what, we’re not going to jail. Not for this anyway. [chuckling] Jury’s still out whether we go to jail for some other reason, but not for this.

So how are you feeling?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I think vindicated is the right word. It is a victory in the sense that we have shown the Australian people that through strength and persistence and resilience, we can get our message across. We can suffer without being humiliated.

And I think that’s important that Australians need to hear that. Currently we’re being humiliated as a people. The White Australian population is being obviously replaced and it is being humiliated while it’s being replaced. And if we stand up against this tyranny, they will make us suffer.

And I think through our strength, we’ve made it clear that suffering is more valuable than just living a peaceful life that’s ultimately humiliating.

So that’s how I feel strength. I feel strong. I feel that our strength and our resilience has proven us right.

Joel Davis: That’s a good point because you are naturally adapting to the kind of harassment tactics used to try to prevent you guys from doing what you’re trying to do, whether it’s activism or building the political party. And you do seem to have done or made a great deal of progress in the realm of adaptation. Because I’ll make the point, this basically panned out exactly as you said it would. You said you’re going to cop a beating on the day. You predicted there would be bullshit charges that wouldn’t stick and that have to drop eventually. And now that’s exactly what happened.

So not only are you adapting in terms of strategy, but you now know what to expect. As though the system has basically used all its cards and they can only keep doing the same thing they’ve always done. And you keep getting better at dealing with it.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And so much has changed for our organisation in terms of support from the public over the last six months. And I mean, what’s been really incredible is, and I don’t want this taken the wrong way, but we have had a lot of people that are former members of the Liberal Party reach out to us and say that one of the reasons why they have left the party and have started to donate to our cause and started to support our cause is because they can see, based off the election and the Liberal Party moving further to the Left and based off how we were treated by the system in Adelaide, which is, I think it’s a pretty strong liberal kind of state. I mean, Adelaide’s pretty churchy and has a lot of Christians in it and it’s got quite a conservative movement.

But this is how, you know, probably one of the more conservative states in the country, other than, I guess, Queensland. This is how they treat political dissidents on the Right. And that for them was the straw that broke the camel’s back. And their reason for supporting us going forward.

So it’s interesting that even in persecution, you can gain support and a following and assistance from people that have spent their whole life in mainstream politics. So I didn’t expect that. I didn’t predict that. I did predict that the Australian public in general would be more supportive of us, but I didn’t expect so many people would be jumping ship from the previous conservative faction of the Liberal Party.

The last thing I heard from our insiders within the Liberal Party is that about 50% of the members have left in the last two years.

And I’m not saying all of those have jumped across to us, but a significant portion of particular branches and seats have come across to show their support for us. So that’s good to see.

Blair Cottrell: That’s a big number.

Joel Davis: It’s a good moment actually. I will say join the movement! Join the prospective political party White Australia.org. I do a bad job of remembering to shill this every week, so I’m just going to say it now while I’m thinking of it. If you’re in Australia, I put out a poll on Twitter a few days. Sorry, on Telegram a few days ago. The poll was, if you’re a White nationalist, how many times have you met up with other White Nationalists, at least one other White nationalist in real life this year to discuss politics or do anything political?

Very low bar. 57% of respondents said zero times. That’s crazy! So, like more than half of the Joel Davis spurg Telegram following can’t even meet up once with one White nationalist in real life since the beginning of this year. So I understand a lot of my followers are in other countries and whatever. But that’s a horrible statistic!

So if that’s you and you live in Australia, you have no excuse, like our country is being stolen from us. White Australia.org, sign up as a supporter. Maybe you don’t want to come and march in the street dressed in black and you know, get arrested, but you can at the very least join up as a supporter and help us found a political party to represent you and your beliefs, which obviously, if you’re watching this, unless you’re one of the assigned police officers or intelligence agents or journalists watching this, you share our beliefs.

So who else is going to represent them? No one except us! So sign up White Australia.org. Be part of the solution!

[06:43]

Blair Cottrell: Tom, what happened in your latest court appearance and what does that mean for you going forward?

Thomas Sewell: So today we had, I think, the third or fourth case conference, which is where the prosecution says they’re not ready to go to trial and they want to have a little bit more time to prepare. And they dragged us out for as many as they could, as many case conferences as they could, until eventually they had to drop the charges. Today the last charge I had was the loitering charge, which was the alleged reason for my arrest outside the Anzac Memorial in Adelaide on, I think it’s called North Terrace. I think the street, very beautiful part of Adelaide. We picked that area on purpose because of how beautiful it was.

And obviously I was arrested as I began giving a speech about how the South Australian police are corrupt and are serving traitor politicians.

So the whole purpose, the whole meaning or reason for the arrest was dropped and that was done very quickly. And then, …

Blair Cottrell: Was that the primary purpose for the arrest? Loitering? Is that what they tried to sell?

Joel Davis: Yeah.

Thomas Sewell: And then when I was arrested and taken back to the police station for allegedly loitering, they said that I’m being charged with loitering, resisting arrest and Nazi symbols.

And then when I got my paperwork, it just had loitering and Nazi symbols.

And then about six weeks ago, the Nazi symbols charge got dropped, which was the Union Jack and NSN patch on our shoulders.

And then obviously today they dropped loitering. But they put on a new charge today, which they hadn’t sent any information about to the magistrate or to my lawyer. And they have charged me with breaching the bail conditions for the loitering charge.

So I was under non-Association for loitering. And they’re saying, they’re suggesting, they’re alleging that I breached at some point over the last six months, I associated, they’re alleging, with people in our community.

So they’ve dropped the bail conditions because they were attached to the loitering. But there is another court date again for breach of bail.

Blair Cottrell: So they’re accusing you of breaching bail on a charge that they’ve dropped?

Thomas Sewell: Correct. And I asked the judge that question. I said:

“How can someone be charged with breaching bail conditions that were put on me that have now been dropped? Like if I didn’t commit the crime, why was the bail conditions even put on me? And therefore, how could I be charged breaching bail conditions that are put on me falsely?”

Blair Cottrell: It would make sense that the conditions imposed during the bail period are now void because it’s been found that there was no evidence to uphold the original charge in the first place.

Thomas Sewell: That would make sense, wouldn’t it? That’s common sense. But that’s not, unfortunately, how the magistrate saw it.

And instead of answering my question, he instead told me that I was being represented and wasn’t allowed to talk. And I told him to:

“Answer my question, buddy!”

Blair Cottrell: He wouldn’t have liked that!

Thomas Sewell: Because these people don’t deserve any respect. They are absolutely disgusting, corrupt thugs, that think that they can lock Australians up for, in the case of Stephen Wells, 4 months, over 100 days in solitary confinement for charges that were dropped. And they think that they deserve some sort of respect or honour for their disgusting, corrupt behaviour! It’s absolutely putrid! The Australian people should be, it’s absolutely abhorrent what the political class, what the ruling class are putting Australians through.

And when I called him, “buddy”, he threatened to have me removed from the call. And I just said:

“Okay, well then remove me. Like, you’re nothing, but you’re all corrupt, basically. And I want the record to show that you’re all corrupt.”

And then they just booted me from my own court case.

So they could have just put me on mute, but instead they just booted me for my own court case.

So that’s pretty funny. But they’re just disgusting! I hate them! I absolutely hate them! They’re absolutely disgusting! The prosecutors are professional liars! They put so many good men in prison over nothing. Over nothing! And all the charges have been dropped, except I think Joel’s belt, his [eagle] belt buckle, and one other guy still hasn’t had his loitering charge dropped yet.

Blair Cottrell: Well, before you ask your question, Joel, if they are so corrupt, I’m assuming you mean the magistrate is corrupt as well?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, all of them. The original magistrate.

Blair Cottrell: Like, why participate in the process? Like, have you got a plan? What’s the end goal? If they’re so corrupt, like, why answer their summons?

Thomas Sewell: Well, if you don’t, you eventually get shot!

So I’m not looking to get shot at this stage by the police. Ultimately, you have to play the game. You have to abide by the law at all times, only break it to seize power. I think that was Julius Caesar that said that. He also said, Julius Caesar said:

“We must endure pain with patience!”

And I feel that every day we have to endure this pain with patience. And we’ve been doing that for some time now. And we’re going to keep enduring pain until we take power. And when we take power, then we’ll reassess the laws.

[12:11]

Blair Cottrell: I can imagine you’re probably holding out for maybe some High Court judges that maybe aren’t corrupt, right?

Thomas Sewell: Well, that’s a separate issue. So what we are looking to do is bundle all this stuff together with our High Court case, which I think you and Joel have covered a fair bit on the stream. I won’t go into too much detail, but, yes, we are still following through with two plans. One, appealing all the current criminal charges against us regarding Nazi symbols and gestures and any sort of attempt to stop our political communication.

And also we are looking to privately sue the police for their behaviour, their unlawful and unconstitutional behaviour.

Blair Cottrell: I think old Stephen Wells might have a role to play in that, because I can’t believe that guy spent, how long was it? Nearly four months. Three months. Four months in jail over a loitering charge that was then dropped just because he was trying to celebrate Australia Day publicly. I’ve never heard of anything close to that in Australian activism.

Joel Davis: According to High Court precedent, Stephen Wells has standing to go to the High Court and challenge the Constitutionality of what was done to him, of the acts that he was charged under. Because even though the charges were dropped, he did serve time. And particularly because they didn’t just charge him with loitering. Originally they did, but then when they realised that they’d have to release him after three months because it has a maximum sentence of three months. They then slapped a Nazi symbol charge on him in order to enable them to extend his stay in prison basically beyond the three month mark.

So he has standing to challenge that law at the High Court now because there’s been plenty of precedent established in High Court decisions that you don’t have to be being actively prosecuted under a particular law. You only need to have standing to go to the High Court. You just simply need to have suffered as a result of that law, that potentially unconstitutional law, and have reason to suspect that it could be applied to you again in the future. Now the Nazi symbol charge related to literally the symbol of our organisation or the NSN at the very least.

And so if you’re a member of the NSN, basically what they’re trying to say is that you could get arrested and thrown in prison for displaying our logo in public.

So it’s a political organisation. It seems like a pretty clear cut and dry constitutional issue.

So that’s what’s interesting that they’ve kind of facilitated Stephen potentially to go to the High Court. Also. Stephen Wells is up for a very handsome compensation payout. And so I think Stephen Wells will get paid very well for his four months. And Stephen Wells, the upstanding character that he is, he was saying to me today that:

“I want to sue these cunts, get as much money out of them as possible and then put that money away. So the next time someone gets arrested, they’ve got money to support them like the people who supported me.”

So he’s already like looking to be altruistic and pay it forward rather than just, I don’t know, sit on the cash, which he’s entitled to. So top bloke Stephen Wells! But it’s, I think he’s quite happy to do four months in prison and have a kind of epic story that inspires people and then go and collect money from ZOG and put it in the White Australia kitty, and so on. And now we’ve got standing to go to the High Court as I said.

So realistically we’ve taken a lot of wins here for not much suffering. I mean he had to suffer in prison. But the rest of us, we didn’t really need to suffer like we had minor inconveniences basically that we had to suffer. But the positive outcome from all of this has been to I think win a lot of sympathy in the public and gain a bit of legal leverage that we can now use.

Because when we set up this political party, obviously we’re contesting elections and it’s probably not going to be realistic that we’re going to go in and win government at the first election that we contest. Right? So we need something to do other than just march around and declare what we believe and try and get someone to vote for us.

And so these legal cases, not just these ones, but probably, I anticipate once we form the political party, there could be other High Court cases where they’re trying to take guns away from people who associate with us. We’re probably going to have to go to the High Court to try and protect their gun rights. There’s going to be stuff to do with the de-banking. Tom was saying he was intending on taking to the High Court. Then also, if we register our political party and then we have accounts on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and so on, and they try to de-platform us, were currently de-platformed from these websites, well, then we’ve also got standing to go to the High Court and say these companies are basically impairing representative democracy, which is unconstitutional. They’re impairing our right to political communication. As a registered political party in Australia, how can Australians have a representative democracy if their own political parties can’t even communicate to the voters what their policies are? So we’d have a very strong case there.

I think that would have a lot of sympathy in the community because there’s so much push in the state at every level to increase censorship on the Internet. And this could be one of the only ways really to strike back without taking power and reversing all these laws and getting rid of the eSafety Commission and all this garbage, would be to try and get to the High Court and get a decision that would establish precedent that would limit state overreach and the overreach of these big tech companies.

So these legal battles are going to be very important for us going forward and if we can have some successes or at least, you know, stand up sympathetically for our rights as Australians, could be a great way to also raise a lot of support for the party and the movement in general to see that we’re trying to engage in productive battles to defend the rights and freedoms of Australians, even outside of political power.

[18:28]

Blair Cottrell: If I’m understanding correctly, Tom, you’re now a free man, limited by no legal conditions of association. You can now train with the boys, you can associate with who you want. I’m imagining this because you’re on the stream with us for the first time in a while. The reason you haven’t been able to jump onto the stream with Joel or I, or with Joel specifically, is because he’s a member of your organisation. Am I right in believing this? You’re a free man now? Well to some extent.

Thomas Sewell: Relatively, yeah. I’m not currently having my political communication suppressed by the Magistrates Court, but I do still have three pending court cases regarding other matters that are, like including the so-called offensive behaviour in Ballarat. Doing a political demonstration in Ballarat. Jacob Hersant’s also been charged with offensive behaviour for a rally he did in Melbourne CBD So those two rallies, both rally leaders or rally spokespersons, like the speakers of both those rallies have been charged. Myself and Jacob. Joel, have you been charged yet with offensive behaviour?

Joel Davis: No, they’re still investigating me for the jews Hate Freedom rally. But they’ve got 12 months, so they can basically, … They’re also investigating me for offensive behaviour also for when we had the boys, my rabbi friends, and we went down and endorsed the Liberal Party at the last election. And yeah, so we’ll see if they end up charging me on those, but we don’t know yet.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, so another tactic they’re using, Blair, is they’re confusing political speech with like public misconduct.

So they’re trying to use laws that stop you from mooning a police officer or something silly like that. Or I think it’s like really bad swearing or something like that. They’re trying to use these laws to prevent political communication. The same way in Adelaide they tried to use loitering as a law to stop us from politically communicating.

But yeah, so I’m on bail for those and I have trials upcoming this year for those cases. But yeah, I’m allowed to associate at this stage. Yes.

Blair Cottrell: I watch updates on Australian like motorcycle clubs sometimes just like Crime Updates, news on YouTube. It’s just a side interest of mine and I can’t help but notice that I think they’re trying to treat you guys the same way they treat some of these so-called outlaw motorcycle clubs. Because in Australia, if you don’t know, we have bikie gangs. In Queensland specifically, I’m pretty sure there’s strong legislation making it very difficult for those gangs to operate. I’m pretty sure you can’t even have a gang or MC club logo or insignia. Like you can’t even display it publicly. Or even have it in your house. If they know you’ve got it, they’ll raid you and take your jumper because it has a club logo on it.

And I’m just noticing similarities between the way the police treat you guys down here. It’s like they want you to be an outlaw gang and they expect to be able to get away with treating a political organisation which in the near future will be a registered political party, like they’re an outlaw gang. And I don’t think that’s going to fly. There’s no precedent in Australian legal history where that’s being tolerated by serious levels of court.

Of course, magistrates levels of court seem to tolerate whatever they’re told to tolerate. But I think once you get to county and beyond, you’ll probably see some judges and some outcomes that are more favourable to what is fair and actually legally applicable for you guys.

So, yeah, I’m glad you’re out! Well out of the conditions that were binding you and I’m glad you’re able to join us again.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

Blair Cottrell: What’s going to be the main thing on our agenda? What are we going to go on with lads?

Joel Davis: Well, I think the big thing to discuss this week in international politics is the way that Trump is trying to really unsuccessfully sweep the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing under the rug. I mean, obviously the cover-up has been successful. They’ve managed to, well first the FBI and the Attorney General of the United States came out last week and said:

“Oh, the Epstein files, they don’t actually don’t exist. We’ve concluded our investigation and they don’t exist!”

Just tried to gaslight everyone. And obviously the reaction from just everyone in the world basically was:

“What do you mean they don’t exist?”

Blair Cottrell: Like, explain to me, Joel, explain to me. And for the audience, to make it simple, what are the Epstein files? What do they consist of? Is it a list of clients that were in a prostitution ring? Because that’s my understanding. Is that right?

[23:23]

Joel Davis: I’m sure the files contain a lot more than just that.

But obviously the files would contain names of who’s going there and there’s been all these allegations that potentially these people are named and those people like Bill Clinton or Prince Andrew and blah, blah, blah, and photos of different elites and that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein and so on, and people going to the island, the flight logs, the so-called Lolita Express that was taking all these people out to this private island in the Caribbean. But obviously we don’t know what’s in the files because the files have not been released. Right.

But there was a promise before the last election that if Trump was to win, the files would be released, which no one intelligent believed. But even like Donald Trump Jr. was saying:

“Release the files!”

You know, blah, blah, blah.

Blair Cottrell: And now they’re saying there are no files. Is that right

Joel Davis: No, they’re not actually saying that now. Now they said that. And then a few days later, Trump changed the narrative to, not there are no files, to:

“Well, the Democrats they’ve concocted fake documents!”

And the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing apparently is a Democrat op, just like the Steele dossier and blah, blah, blah. And:

“It’s a hoax and it’s a political witch hunt and all this stuff trying to undermine me!”

He’s trying to spin it like this. But it’s ridiculous!

Number one, because Jeffrey Epstein committed, quote, unquote, “suicide”. You know, no one really believes that he killed himself.

Blair Cottrell: Oh yeah, I heard the footage that they had of him in jail. Someone ran it through a metadata analysis and found that it had been edited several times. They could even tell the programme it was edited with. So the stuff that they released or had regarding Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide has all been doctored and edited. That’s not the real footage of his so-called suicide.

Joel Davis: Well, also, when that occurred he was under the Attorney General of the United States was Bill Barr. Bill Barr’s father, by the way, employed Jeffrey Epstein a long time ago and they have long, deep family connections to one another. Bill Barr was made Attorney General of the United States by Trump. He was in the Trump administration and he was the one running the Department of Justice who had Jeffrey Epstein incarcerated.

So it was under his watch that Jeffrey Epstein was killed and it was under his watch that it wasn’t investigated and that it was covered up.

So the Trump administration covered this up to begin with. Also, Donald Trump himself was friends with Jeffrey Epstein from the 1980s onwards. They allegedly, their friendship allegedly broke down in the 2000s because they had a dispute like Trump bought some condo in Palm beach in Florida that Jeffrey Epstein wanted to buy and they had some dispute. But they were very close friends. There’s lots of video footage showing this and Jeffrey Epstein even described Donald Trump as his “best friend” at one point in the 1990s.

So that’s obviously very important to bring up.

And also there’s plenty of people in the Trump administration or around Trump, like Trump’s Lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who is a jew and who was one of the main lawyers working on the whole election fraud, so-called lawsuits and so on after the 2020 election. He was also Jeffrey Epstein’s Lawyer and apparently went to the island and so on. There’s just so many connections between Trump and Epstein and Trump’s original administration and associates and Jeffrey Epstein. The list just goes on. We could do a whole stream just detailing all this stuff. So move forward.

Obviously there’s a lot of Democrats that are implicated in this too, like the Clintons and so on. So the Democrats aren’t going to release the files. The Democrats aren’t going to hold people to account for what’s happened here either.

But Trump is saying because the Democrats were sitting on the files over the last four years, magically they’ve changed them all and he doesn’t want to release them because apparently he’s basically admitting guilt that he’s in the files.

Elon Musk came out a few weeks ago and said they’re not being released because Trump’s in the files. Put the pressure on Trump after they fell out. And the pressure is telling, because now while Trump is every day coming out saying:

“No one cares about Jeffrey Epstein, everyone needs to stop talking about it.”

And so on. We’re seeing more and more elements of his base, of his movement turning on him. Tucker Carlson is giving speeches.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I turn on my YouTube. I don’t even watch stuff in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. I know almost nothing about it. I know what most people would know that is that there is some sort of list or documents implicating people in very unethical activities, probably for the purposes of Israeli blackmail and influence over American politicians. That’s what I know. And I turn on my YouTube and all throughout my recommended videos is people that usually do streams on video games or conspiracies who don’t even usually talk about this stuff, like doing videos on this stuff. So it’s just across the board. Have you seen much of it?

Joel Davis: I saw an opinion poll by the way of Americans:

“And do you agree with how Trump is handling the Jeffrey Epstein case?”

And it was like 12% said yes. So he’s lost everyone. Like no one’s going along with this shit! But go ahead Tom.

Thomas Sewell: I don’t have anything to add on the Epstein thing. It’s obviously been covered. It’s my only observation, …

[28:55]

Blair Cottrell: Do you agree that it kind of feels really drawn out. It’s almost like I’m sick of hearing it. It’s like it’s been going on for so long and nothing’s ever come of it. Maybe they’re trying to create that feeling, just kind of make people feel fatigued.

Thomas Sewell: Maybe. I think that it’s a weapon that both sides have used against each other.

So when the Democrats were in power with Biden, they had the Biden laptop scandal and they had obviously a lot of people in the Democrat Party were connected to Epstein and other people that were on the Lolita Express. A lot of a list celebrities are Democrats and they were all on the list.

And then now that Trump’s in power being, you know, turned back on Trump obviously photos way back in the day, like before the 2020 election came out that showed Trump as friends with Epstein and Trump making comments about how Epstein’s got a particular taste in younger women. And Trump was saying that he kind of agreed with it. It was a bit incriminating. You know, if you were Italian, there’d be plausible deniability that you’re talking about 18 year olds or something. Anyway, I digress.

I think that it’s interesting to see a mega civil war or MAGA civil war, however you want to pronounce it. I think it’s good to see that there are these kind of Qtard, you know, conspiracy theorist, you know, MAGAs or Make America Great Again camp that all of a sudden are telling people to move on from a legitimate conspiracies, a legitimate Mossad blackmail entrapment scheme. Because they always want you to focus on conspiracy theories, but just not the ones that are real. They want you to focus on nonsense and talk about Antarctic, well, not necessarily nonsense, but they want to talk you about side quest things like Antarctica and 5G and stuff like that.

But then this is just black and white! This is an Israeli Mossad blackmail scheme. It’s undeniable, it’s a fact. And these people want us to brush it under the table.

And it just shows that, yeah, the MAGA camp is dead. It ties in good timing as well with obviously the tension between, you know, Musk, who’s a power broker in the US and Donald Trump. And so seeing the MAGA camp fall apart is a good thing. It’s a good thing. And it’s a good thing for the same reason why we’ve worked so hard to destroy the Liberal Party here in Australia, successfully destroy the Liberal Party here in Australia.

Americans need a form of Right-wing, pro-White politics that is superior to Make America Great Again. They need a much harder and more staunch, more ideologically consistent. It’s not just a kind of cult of personality around Donald Trump. So I’m watching, I’m watching along.

Joel Davis: What was very interesting this week was Tucker Carlson gave a speech at the Turning Point USA event where he basically said Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent. And this is being swept under the rug. How come Israel can blackmail our politicians with sexual blackmail, with a paedophile ring, and there’s a conspiracy on both sides of politics to cover it up:

“How is this acceptable?”

And the crowd was going ballistic at this conservative event. At Charlie Kirk’s Hail Israel Hail ZOG conservative event. The crowd’s still going ballistic.

So there’s been a sea change where conservative political discourse in the United States has become dominated by dissident Right talking points ideas. And the younger generation of Right-wingers in the United States and I think everywhere are turning against the jews, against Israel. They’re more radical on racial issues. And Tucker Carlson coming out and doing that, basically he just pissed in Trump’s face. And then Trump came out this few days ago and said:

“Well, anyone who wants to talk about Epstein, I don’t want their support. They’re fake supporters and we’re done with them.”

So what is he saying? He doesn’t want Tucker Carlson support, doesn’t want the support of Matt Walsh. I saw Matt Walsh come out and criticise Trump on the same grounds. Like so many of these really big, like massive following influential conservative commentators that come out on the side of the people against Trump.

And so what this is the foundation of a new American Right, in my opinion, that moves beyond Trump, that embraces more radical talking points. And it seems like Elon Musk is willing to fund these guys too.

So it’s shaping up to be quite interesting to see how this develops over the next couple years because a lot of people thought after the last election, Peter Thiel got his J.D. Vance, you know, curry burner, vice president installed. And Trump will just basically bamboozle all the Boomers and all the masses with his charisma and his policies and everyone will de-radicalise and then JD Vance will end up just being the heir to the throne and then he’ll become president and they’ll just hold this paradigm of politics down on lock for the next decade and we’re just going to have to eat the slop.

Well, actually, I don’t think so. actually, this has completely blown things up and now it seems like a more radical challenger could emerge to take the throne off The Prince.

So it’s quite interesting to observe.

Blair Cottrell: What do you guys think about, because you mentioned Tucker Carlson. What do you guys think about Tucker Carlson? What’s his game? Because his message has become more explicit in the last year or so. and where does he stand? Do you trust him?

[35:03]

Thomas Sewell: No! [chuckling] I don’t trust him.

But it’s an improvement of controlled opposition, certainly. If the controlled opposition has to continue moving further and further to our direction, well, eventually they’ll have to run a controlled opposition which is just a copy of us.

And I think people will choose the real us over the controlled opposition copy of us, when it gets to that point.

So, yeah, it’s a good to see, it’s very good to see the, …

Blair Cottrell: Battle there is to continue existing. Yeah, because they won’t want you to exist. Right. But if he’s controlled opposition, Tucker Carlson, who’s controlling him, do you think? What are your theories?

Thomas Sewell: Well, I think he’s in the CIA. Yeah, I think he’s in the CIA.

So I think he’s part of a different faction within the Deep State. And I think Trump was an independent person that was being influenced by different factions within the CIA.

And I think that perhaps they’re jumping ship from Trump. I don’t think that Tucker Carlson is entirely aligned with Musk, for example. I think he’s kind of like a fourth party when you think about it. I don’t know too much about Democrat politics, but I think the Right-wing is moving in an odd direction where there’s the Trump camp, there’s the Musk camp, and there’s the, what you could call like the Tucker camp. And I think those are the three most powerful forces in the American Right.

Blair Cottrell: I expect you have your reasons for believing that. There’s probably plenty of information that suggests that. I haven’t personally looked into it. What do you think, Joel?

Joel Davis: His father was a CIA agent. That’s confirmed. And then Tucker himself said that he wanted to join the CIA in the 1990s when he finished college, but he didn’t make the grade, apparently. He didn’t get the contract. So then he decided to become a journalist. But that seems, I don’t know [chuckling] if I believe that story.

Thomas Sewell: Bullshit!

Joel Davis: Yeah.

Thomas Sewell: Bullshit, because the CIA are desperate for recruits, and especially recruits with a high IQ, which he has. And it’s a fact that the CIA hires thousands and thousands of journalists a year. Hires people to become journalists.

Joel Davis: Yeah. There’s something called Operation Mockingbird. Google it. Yeah. If you don’t know what it is.

Thomas Sewell: I mean, it’s slightly different, but it’s on the same talking point. You know, the Director General of ASIO only two or three years ago came out in a Senate inquiry and said that:

“They employ journalists, that they could be a journalist, they could be a teacher, they could be whatever, and they’re actually secretly an ASIO agent. We’re everywhere, basically.”

And in the case of journalism, it’s very important to have intelligence services control journalism. That’s probably the key industry for intelligence services to control.

Joel Davis: Also, if you want to understand Tucker Carlson’s motivations, I think the motivations could be understood if he is like a CIA operative or at least connected to the Deep State, is geopolitical.

So what does Tucker Carlson basically do with his influence? He plays down the whole Russia thing, criticises Zelensky, criticises funding the war in Ukraine. Now he’s criticising Israel and the involvement with Israel.

But he’s also always been a China hawk who has been very consistent that China is the real threat. America needs to focus on fighting China. And there’s other elements in the Trump administration and across the American Right who have that view. Elbridge Colby, who’s the Undersecretary of Defense, he’s been saying that for years, and now he’s the Under Secretary of Defense. He just came out the other day demanding that Australia and Japan commit to fighting alongside the United States if Taiwan is invaded, to give you an idea of what he’s all about. And he’s also the main guy in the Trump administration trying to block assistance to Ukraine and so on, because he thinks it’s taking away from a deterrent and potential action against China in vis a vis Taiwan.

So Tucker Carlson comes along and he can kind of wrangle the Crown by pushing this kind of anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel, which are both very popular with conservatives Angles in order to kind of push for a war with China or China, Hawking, at the very least, in addition to having a very kind of patriotic, you know, style and so on. You can see why the CIA would look upon him as someone or look upon that style of politics as something that they would support because they would see it maybe as in the geopolitical interests of the United States. And that’s what the CIA is fundamentally like. It’s fundamental reason for existing is basically keeping America the global hegemon.

Blair Cottrell: For our American viewers, I know we’ve had Thomas Rousseau on the show, leader of Patriot Front. Is he the primary guy, organisation, political faction or personality you guys would endorse in America? Is there someone else? Is he the main man? I mean, who’s the real deal?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Thomas is, and Patriot Front is the most organised and they are the largest White nationalist group in the United States. They hold their cards a little bit closer to their chest than us in terms of their ideology. They keep things a little bit more “heritage American”, as they say. And that’s their strategy. It’s kind of like a halfway point between what we’re doing and the United Patriots Front, obviously, without UPF being a purely anti-Islam movement, it being a Patriot Front. So it, yeah, it’s definitely a specific tactic that he’s using and he’s done quite well with it. And they continue to grow.

There are a lot of other organisations. The Rob Rundo active club model was quite large and it’s all across the country. So their groupings are a lot smaller. You know, you’re talking usually five to ten guys at a time, but there are hundreds of groups of five to 10 guys.

And then you have Hammer, doing Blood Tribe. So we get accused of being wignats, but we’re pretty light on the wignatory compared to particular people in America.

And you’ve got all sorts of groups. You’ve got Wagner’s group, you’ve got Volkers Resistance Movement, you’ve got, … There’s a lot of groups in the United States. It’s very different to Australia in that sense. We’ve kind of co-ordinated all of the White nationalist energy all into one body, which has its pros and cons.

But in the United States, I think Patriot Front probably control 30 or 40% of the market, if you want to put it that way. But they certainly have over 90% of the visibility. What they’ve done very well is they’ve got the majority of the visibility.

[42:03]

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Blitz007
6 days ago
these people are great and we need more of em
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WHITESUNITEWORLDWIDE
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TEAM WHITE UNITE
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Strueth
6 days ago
Thanks guys, I love listening to your chats… I don’t feel so alone in our country knowing you have our backs and are willing to stand up for our white Australia… I long for how it was in the 70’s… we had it all, and slowly it’s been taken right out from under us, betrayed by those wimps in parliament… Thank you
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palacepony
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4 days ago
The fuckery really kicked off with Whitlam. Constitutional vandalism which needs to be addressed. That was when the gloves came off with Vietnamese immigration and demoralising ‘liberal’ law pushes. We were ruled by TV and under the oogabooga blues spell.
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StevenGurr
6 days ago
Absolute total bullshit Sick of these cunt pigs and courts. Loitering isn’t even an arrestable offence and then to continue adding simple offences is a joke. And further to add non association conditions on the bail is totalitarian shit. Keep up the fight and go after every individual pig, judge and state lawyer involved.
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Dissident_Loner
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6 days ago
Hey! The Three Amigos!
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Restlessdreams88
6 days ago
88 .
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mharrison52
6 days ago
rome, pheonixian, ancient arayans in India. Mexica, Brazil, All of central and south america. America and Candada now. every great white civilization has ended the same way mongrolzation then conplete collapse. It’s a trend about whites that we cant afford to mistake again. in aglobal society there are no where to go. global genocide.
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Sieger88
6 days ago
Unfortunately Aston Martin is now owned by the kíke Strulović
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paceytarzan
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Winstein_Synagoguehill
6 days ago
Luxury and comfort made the yankees soft. There’s not much of a White working class in the USA. Most working class are Amerindian and African. Go into a boxing gym in the USA and there’s not a single White person. Completely reversed from Britain and Ireland. American families the mother is usually the boss and dad has been cucked to a little muted nub.
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KeithyFM
5 days ago
Turks and Greeks… chalk n cheese. Turks should be back in Turkmenistan.
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Motion937
5 days ago
The mustache without the beard looks goofy with the shaved head.
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Motown88
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4 days ago
Yes there are young women that have resisted the feminist conditioning, 5 of them are my daughters… and I’m so proud.
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deputydawg000
4 days ago
CritalEyeMMA on youtube and AntiwokeMMA on rumble is also worth a look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz_LOvsbMiM https://rumble.com/v6w0l5s-livestream-one-year-anniversary.-its-the-jews.-race-realism-live-stream.html?e9s=src_v1_wh&playlist_id=watch-history
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Orangejoos
4 days ago
Very pragmatic , and informed discussion . Always appreciate the three of you. I’m only informed by Nick otherwise , the rest is almost entirely bullshit or toxic. Thanks — for all you hero’s do.
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wyrdweasel
3 days ago
I think that you have had to do something blackmailable in order to be able to do business at the highest level and to join the club. When everyone in that circle has something on everyone else, there would be a certain kind of mutual insurance when it comes to the threat of exposure.
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empowerprivate
2 days ago
Rabbis, when they are sucking blood out, it’s Adrenochrome.
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Restlessdreams88
19 hours ago
Gotta get Jacob on more
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katana17
6 days ago
[Joel Davis – MechaHitler – a Manifestation of Musk’s Machiavellianism, or Something More? – Jul 11, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/07/17/joel-davis-mechahitler-a-manifestation-of-musks-machiavellianism-or-something-more-jul-11-2025-transcript/
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mharrison52
6 days ago
aTom has Aura like an Anglo Addy
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hueyvam123
6 days ago
The best. Great to see the gang back together again.
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EarthlingCarl
5 days ago
No hate but is Joel rocking a comb over?
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whitehonkymonkey
5 days ago
hello lads,good to see the crew back together. though it feels like a win with the courts,its all about getting rid of us on the day. they don’t give a f… about the arrests not sticking ,as long as they pull you off the street on the day. your tactics also need to create distractions when out protesting. create confusion. keep it up lads.
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BasedNapoleon
5 days ago
Just watched ‘Latham at Large’ where Mark Latham featured as a guest journalist on 60 minutes covering the 2010 election between Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard. He deconstructed the campaign process and pressed Abbott about migration.
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UncircumcisedCircus
5 days ago
I do think there is a waspy faction of the CIA that doesnt want to always take orders from the Mossad.
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DaveScribe
5 days ago
Blair, all it takes is an accusation. Ironic since you were accused of stalking by a woman who was stalking you. It’s not uncommon for the perpetrator to call the police first in order to allay suspicion off from themself. I was in a holding cell with a middle aged white engineer who had a knife pulled on him by his neighbor. The neighbor called the cops first & got the engineer arrested.
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Motown88
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Great stream guys, thanks
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ProvingNihil
4 days ago
Would love to meet white nationalists in my area but can’t find any in my state.
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ProvingNihil
4 days ago
Also when dating a woman, hell or just interacting with anyone in general. I personally record it on my GoPro, yeah it’s a tad bit weird some people don’t understand, but you never know what will happen, especially with women.
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Makulatoren
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I disagree with Thomas about Tucker Carlson. The CIA would never betray the mossad in that way of having matyr made on. Because then they would lose their Epstein tickets. Tucker is just acting like the average boomer. He wants to back to the american ideal but knows deep down that it was fake. Yet he still yerns for it.
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Blair Cottrell: What’s up, fam! It seems like we are live and I’ll be, I suppose, filling in as the host of tonight’s stream until Joel jumps on later. With me here is Jacob Hersant. And if you saw any promotions for the stream, you might know who Jacob Hersant is already. He’s been at the centre of some pretty controversial activism down here in Australia lately. And I suppose I’ll ask you, Jacob, to explain it for yourself. Who is Jacob Hersant and what’s going on? How are you relevant to Australian political activism right now?

Jacob Hersant: Hello, I’m Jacob Hersant. I’ve been a political activist for almost a decade now for a nationalistic point of view. Recently I was in the news a lot, actually, because I was one of the people that were in the crowd at the Shrine of Remembrance on Anzac Day [in Melbourne] booing the Welcome to Country.

To be clear, I was booing only the Welcome to Country and mentions of diversity and Welcome to Country and just Aboriginal victimhood at the Anzac Day Dawn Service, not the Dawn Service itself. There was some misreporting about that in the news. And there’s just been a lot of outrage from system “elites” regarding it. They’ve been very, very upset and they’ve collapsed all of the blame for what happened that morning on me. I saw in the State Premier’s* statement, she said:

“The booing of a neo-Nazi.”

Which obviously would be referring to me.

So it’s been interesting to see them basically collapse all of the booing and all the people that were booing into me. I guess I’m the avatar of that day.

[* Jacinta Marie Allan (born 19 September 1973) is an Australian politician serving as the 49th and current premier of Victoria since 2023. She has been the leader of the Victorian branch of the Australian Labor Party (ALP) since 2023 and has been a member of the Victorian Legislative Assembly (MLA) for the district of Bendigo East since 1999. She previously served as the 29th deputy premier of Victoria from 2022 to 2023. Allan is the longest-serving female minister in Victorian state history and currently the most senior sitting member of the Assembly. Wikipedia]

Blair Cottrell: Just for the record and for our international viewers, what is “Welcome to Country”? That might be something that’s exclusive to Australia. What is the Welcome to Country statement ceremony? What’s that consist of and why are you against it?

Jacob Hersant: The “Welcome to Country” is basically a statement saying that Aboriginals are the traditional owners of the country, and that by virtue of that they can welcome anybody to the country, whether that be the country as a whole, or a particular piece of land that was inhabited by a tribe. Because Aboriginals didn’t get to the level of organisation where they were any larger than tribes on particular parts of land. There was, I can’t remember exactly how many, but it would probably be in the hundreds of different little, I guess you, what you would call polities, but to talk of an Aboriginal politics is a bit ridiculous!

So they do this Welcome to Country everywhere! It’s not only at the Shrine of Remembrance, they do it at Parliament. They do it on public transportation. They do it at football games, basically any sports they do it at that. They’ll do it everywhere! I struggle to think of anywhere they don’t do the Welcome to Country, honestly. And it’s all just to do with Leftist victimhood politics about Aboriginal racial nationalism, to be used as a weapon against White Australians and to instil White guilt in White Australians.

Blair Cottrell: Well, first of all, is the Anzac Day Dawn Service, is that something that you would attend each year?

Jacob Hersant: I don’t always attend the Dawn Service. I have been to Dawn Services before but I don’t attend it as frequently as I should. Going forward though I believe that I will because this one was, it was good, it was good to be there. Because even though we’re upset about the Welcome to Country, the rest of the service, a lot of it was quite good and I think a lot of it was respecting the soldiers that died in many, many wars that Australia has participated in. I thought it was a fitting way to remember them and to commemorate the hardship and sacrifice of those soldiers. But it was just that the Welcome to Country and the politicisation, and not only just politicisation but in a Left-wing direction which is completely alien to the soldiery that it’s supposed to be representing.

Blair Cottrell: So did you know there was going to be a Welcome to Country statement issued at the Dawn Service? Was that something like did you go to the Dawn Service knowing that was going to happen? Was that your booing process, was that pre-planned or was it a spur of the moment type thing? You weren’t expecting it? How did it all go down?

Jacob Hersant: I strongly suspected that they would do it. I’ve been to previous Dawn Services and they’ve said things like that “the Australian soldiers in the Second World War died for diversity and inclusion” and things like that. I think it’s only relatively recently that they’ve doubled down and gone fully into the White guilt Welcome to Country and all these kind of things. But I strongly suspected that they were going to do it. And I showed up with the plan of if they did take it away from what actually is respectful remembrance of the soldiers that I would boo anything that was out of place, that was disrespectful to the Australian soldiers.

Blair Cottrell: Well, [chuckling] your criticism was heard loud and clear, not just by other Australians, but it seems like you’ve triggered a bit of an international response on a few different levels. We’ll get into that in a minute, though. Because the Dawn Service, it’s a big deal in Australia. It’s part of our national tradition, our annual tradition to honour the soldiers that died for our country. And to some people it means something even beyond that as well.

And so a lot of people attend the Dawn Service. How was, how should I ask this question? The people around you, how did they receive the booing? Were they supportive? How did the people around you at the Dawn Service react?

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Jacob Hersant: The vast majority of people were just completely silent. Most people actually supported what we did, but the people there were, you could feel their nervousness and you could feel their fear. Most people are., …

Blair Cottrell: They were nervous as a result of your booing? They were afraid. They didn’t know how to react. Is that what you mean?

Jacob Hersant: Yes, they were nervous because of the booing and it obviously made them very uncomfortable because most people are conflict avoidant. They don’t want to sit there and have drama going on around them and have this uneasy feeling in their stomach. And they were all just more or less silent for the first, it felt like hours of booing, but there was a lot of booing.

But by the end of it, there were some people that were getting sick of like, me booing and the people around me booing and other people booing, and they were saying to me:

“Stop! It’s enough!”

And I just absorbed that energy and I redirected it at the welcome to the Welcome to Country and I just said:

“Yeah, stop it!”

I was [chuckling] basically absorbing their energy and then I just shot it back at the Aboriginal victimhood, the paid victim.

So that was quite funny and that just shut them up.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I did notice in some footage there was actually at least one veteran who was on your side of the argument. He was actually trying to tell people that you were entitled to your opinion. He was suggesting that the Aboriginal character employed by the government to give that statement to welcome veterans, welcome the fallen even to their own country or descendants of the fallen to welcome them to the country that they fought and died for. He was suggesting that that was a government politicisation of the Anzac Day ceremony. And you were only responding with your criticism of that politicisation, which I think was a fair observation personally.

But you just said something interesting then. You said that “most people are conflict avoidant” and that they don’t want to deal with confrontation or any sort of direct criticism, hostility, because it makes them uncomfortable. You’re certainly not like that you don’t mind a bit of conflicts. If anything, sometimes you go out there looking for it. Why do you think that is? What sets you apart from the ordinary person? What’s motivating you there? What gives you that energy?

Jacob Hersant: It’s not something that comes naturally to me. I’m not temperamentally somebody that goes out and seeks conflict. Rather, it’s the opposite. It’s the fact that I have deeply held political views that brings me into the political struggle and makes me part of that conflict.

And that’s why I find myself in these situations [chuckling] where everyone else in the crowd was fueling it. They felt embarrassed about the Welcome to Country, they felt humiliated, they felt like it was out of place, but nothing was going to bring them to boo because they were scared!

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, it did seem that way. And has there been any repercussions in your personal life? Anything good, anything bad to report as a result of your activism at the Anzac Day ceremony, specifically?

Jacob Hersant: Well, while I was there, the police came up to me and did a field interview, I guess you’d say. They just asked me a bunch of questions. They’re like:

“Why are you here?”

I just said:

“Remembering.”

Then they asked me a bunch of other questions to which I didn’t answer. I just said:

“No comment.”

And then they brought up a shrine., … I think it’s the person who heads the shrine, he’s some corporate traitor who previously stopped us from going to the Last Post. So I believe it was the same person. And he basically said that we’re not allowed to attend the shrine, at that time. And then he came again at this, at the Dawn Service or after the Dawn Service, he came up and he said:

“I want you to leave.”

So I promptly called him a traitor.

And then the police removed me from the Shrine of Remembrance Grounds. I think it’s called the “Grounds”. There’s some technical term that’s in that Act, which they used to remove us from the shrine.

Blair Cottrell: You’re no stranger to having to deal with the police as a result of your activism. Have you currently got any outstanding charges for previous activist events? What’s going on with your legal situation? Are you caught up in anything at the moment there?

Jacob Hersant: Well, I have an appeal going on for when I nearly gave the Roman salute outside of the county court. That’s coming up soon. So I’ll be appealing that in the county court again.

I actually got delivered a brief today by Victoria Police, which was not to do with the Welcome to Country booing, although I suspect I probably will be charged with the same charge that I actually received today, which was for a political demonstration we did last year, probably nine or ten months ago, which was with a banner that said “Mass Deportations Now”, where I gave a speech at Federation Square. So they charged me with “offensive behaviour”, which is a charge that’s basically used to charge people who use profanity or expose themselves, like expose their genitals or things like that.

Blair Cottrell: You didn’t actually do anything like that at this particular event, this protest?

[13:53]

Jacob Hersant: No, I just led a political demonstration, so that’s why I’ve been charged. If you look at the brief, the brief just basically says that I shouted a bunch of slogans and was underneath this banner with my mask off!

So I don’t think the prosecution has much of a chance of actually convicting me for this. But obviously it’s just harassment, it’s just lawfare*. But this one for the Welcome to Country, I suspect I’ll be charged for that again.

[* Lawfare is legal action undertaken in order to exert power or control, esp. as part of a hostile campaign against a particular country or group.]

And there was another time I was arrested, which was on Halloween when I was wearing a Ku Klux Klan costume. And they want to charge me, probably with offensive behaviour again.

So I think for the foreseeable future of my political activism, which I’m obviously not going to stop, they’re just going to keep charging me with offensive behaviour, because it offends them.

Blair Cottrell: But you’re willing to take that on board, right? That comes with the job sort of thing.

Jacob Hersant: Well, I’m not doing anything wrong.

So if there were, there’s really no point of charging me because it doesn’t do anything except for waste their resources and make them look bad, because they profess to be adherents of liberalism and they say that we live in a democracy where people can express their point of view and influence the politics of the country, yet anything I do is deemed “offensive behaviour” and criminalised. And they’re constantly putting in new laws, trying to legislate our politics out of existence. But it’s not going to Reform us. We’re incorrigible! There’s no way that they are going to Reform our views.

And the only way they’re going to stop us engaging in particular political behaviours is if they convince us that those behaviours are wrong.

Blair Cottrell: I’m not sure if you will get charged for the booing at the Anzac Day Dawn Service. I saw an article that suggested the Prime Minister, or didn’t suggest it, was the information in the article was asserting that the Prime Minister had already explored several different legal options or avenues to see if they could charge you with anything. And the search came up with nothing. Apparently it’s in a bit of a grey area. You can’t really charge someone for booing. I don’t believe there’s been any precedent in Australia where someone’s been charged for booing something that they’re not in favour of so you might be okay there.

But I did notice in another story. The NRL, which is the National Rugby League in Australia, a different type of popular sport. We have a mixture of favourite sports down here in Australia. Some states like the Australian Football League, which is Australian Rules Football, and other states prefer the rugby. Down here in Victoria, we are known to be an AFL state, but I think New South Wales is one of the big rugby states. But the NRL dropped their Welcome to Country, or there was some sort of disagreement with the people who would usually give the Welcome to Country ceremony before the Melbourne Storm game, the big Anzac Day game. That seems to be a direct result of you having booed the ceremony at the Anzac Day Dawn Service. Any thoughts there?

Jacob Hersant: Well, it’s encouraging to see that these people are scared to put on these Welcome to Country’s, because there hasn’t been enough pushback previously when they do it. The public has made it clear that they are not in favour of these Welcome to Country’s. They’re over them! They want less of them. The overwhelming majority actually wants them to stop completely.

And the booing at the Shrine of Remembrance just made that sentiment palpable. And everybody that was there in that crowd felt it. They felt, they were already uncomfortable, but the fact that there’s been pushback now made them even more uncomfortable. This is the kind of cop out that a lot of people on the Right are using. They’re saying:

“Yes, we hate the Welcome to Country, we’re over it. But booing it is not the right thing to do and they need to get rid of the Welcome to Country so we don’t have this conflict anymore.”

We don’t have people like me booing the Welcome to Country.

But there’s nothing wrong with booing things that are dishonourable and that are basically humiliating the people that are supposed to be being remembered on a particular day, namely the Anzacs on Anzac Day. There’s nothing wrong with booing something that is bad.

So this kind of trying to play both sides thing by saying:

“Oh, I’m against the booers, but I’m also against the Welcome to Country.”

Is really, it’s just cowardly and it won’t actually do anything. You have to pick a side. Are you in favour of Welcome to Country’s or are you not in favour of Welcome to Country’s?

Blair Cottrell: Most people aren’t. But like you said, most people, they just lack the necessary motivation or energy to express their discontent or criticism of the Welcome to Country. If it seems like everyone is tolerating it, then the standard person will just tolerate it as well, because the average person, as you know, isn’t really geared to step out of line like that. They’re waiting for someone else to do it and they’ll support the person that does do it. Just like over 100,000 people in a News Corp poll said that they want the Welcome to Country removed altogether. That was the most selected choice in the poll by far. You know, but all of those people aren’t actually ready and willing to stand up and voice that opinion loudly and with any sort of meaningful passion, that they don’t really want to suffer the consequences. So they will support someone who does challenge it, but they won’t challenge it themselves. And unfortunately, that’s just the nature of people rights the way they’ve kind of always been, according to my understanding.

But I noticed Tucker Carlson mentioned something about Welcome to Country in a recent statement interview of some kind. I saw some footage of Tucker Carlson saying a few things, but one of the things he said was his understanding of Welcome to Country. He’d been to Australia, he landed at an airport, and he’d heard the Welcome to Country over the loudspeaker. The thought that came to his mind, that was that the Welcome to Country statement is basically:

“Psychological preparation for having your country taken from you.”

He gave an analogy, or used an analogy of people coming into your home and telling you:

“This is not your home!”

You know what I mean?:

“Welcome to this home. It’s not your home anymore.”

And they keep telling that to you for a long time because they’re actually planning to take your home away from you. Would you largely agree with that? I mean, what are they essentially saying when they make that Welcome to Country statement? When the government employs Aboriginal activists, professional Aboriginals, to make those statements, whether it’s in schools, whether it’s in government buildings, train stations, airports, it’s everywhere! What, in essence are they telling the Australian people when they do that?

[21:46]

Jacob Hersant: I do largely agree with that. But I think he doesn’t understand how bad the situation actually is the fact is we have had our country already stolen from us. Our state is completely run by traitors and aliens and they don’t listen to the founding stock of this country at all! They don’t care! This kind of Welcome to Country is basically just broadcasting that we have had our country stolen from us. Because if we had a decent and honourable country that was willing to assert itself, this stuff would be impossible. You wouldn’t be able to say it. There would be no question that we have an inalienable right to this country because we would have the will and the strength to actually defend it, to defend our claim to this country.

But we’ve had it stolen and hence we have to sit and suffer through these humiliation rituals where we have to be Welcome to the Country that is supposed to be ours. That’s where I disagree with say, the Trumpet of Patriots where they say:

“We don’t have to be welcome to our own country!”

Well, the sad thing is Australia isn’t our country anymore and we’re going to have to fight to take our country back.

Blair Cottrell: So what happened? How in your mind did we lose our country?

Jacob Hersant: Well, it started by the “elites” or the state being captured by people who don’t have our interests at heart, whether they be aliens in the form of jews, obviously jewry, world jewry, or in the form of Whites who are traitors that don’t value racial solidarity. So the state was captured by our ideological and racial enemies.

And then they opened up the floodgates and started flooding Australia with, first it was with non-British immigration, which was initially what this country was founded on, a British Isles identity. The majority of our White population here were from the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ethnic groups, although there were other Europeans here, whether they be from Central Europe or Scandinavia or France or all of these European countries. But they first started opening up the floodgates, the mass immigration with all Europeans generally. So whether they be Italians and Greeks and Spanish and Balkans ethnic groups.

So that was an initial dilution of what we considered ourselves ethnically here, a White Australia. And that was basically the beginning of the end. It wasn’t long after that that they started letting in other races, so yellows, browns and blacks.

And now we’re basically in a position where we are diminishing population, where we’re being displaced and supplanted in the cities that we built in the country that our ancestors conquered and left to their posterity.

Blair Cottrell: You mentioned White Australia there and I keep seeing and hearing about a White Australia Party and there’s a website for that. Are you involved in the development of that party and in what capacity if you are?

Jacob Hersant: Well, I’m involved with the National Socialist Network, which is part of a broader movement for White Australia.

So we’re in the preparation stage of creating a broader movement that isn’t only the hard hitting activism that we previously engaged in.

So the name of that broader movement is going to be “White Australia”, because that is the nationality, the political identity that we want to put forward in this country. We want the people on this continent to identify primarily with their race, as White Australians.

Blair Cottrell: That sounds like an ideological spiritual battle rather than an exclusively political one, would you agree? And is that something, how do you see yourself fitting into the equation? What role are you playing in this battle to establish a future for White Australians?

Jacob Hersant: Well, I am primarily an ideological person, so I’m more interested in the formation of ideas that make political victories kind of possible. So most people in the, I guess what you call the right nowadays would call this meta-politics, which basically just means before politics.

So it’s kind of the battle of values that happens in society which makes a particular set of values electable in the future.

Blair Cottrell: You’re certainly not just an ideas man though. You have the audacity to get out there and get into activism. You’ve delivered a few pretty good public speeches lately. I’ve seen a couple of them.

So do you have some sort of vision as to how you’re going to organise or inspire anyone who might be favourable to your message in the future? Is there some sort of like system you’re following or is it sort of like a reactionary process to what’s happening politically? Is it a little bit of both? What’s your plan for the Australian people?

[28:31]

Jacob Hersant: Well, I’ll speak generally because I am more of a generalist, but I was converted to the creed of National Socialism just through my own research on the Internet. I won’t get too much into the story. But from there I developed my ideas of what needs to be done to save our ethnic group, White Australians, from the destruction that is slated for us by the current government, which is obviously run by the jews.

I think the most important task that we have is the education of White Australians and the indoctrination of them. And I use indoctrination not in a way that most people would use it in a kind of negative way where someone’s kind of forced into a point of view, but I the word “indoctrination” insofar as bringing somebody to a doctrine, I guess a word proselytising is probably a little less grating on the ears of some people.

But I think proselytising is the most important thing that we can do. Bringing White Australians to our point of view. And then once we do that, we need to recruit those people into a political movement to organise them. And then once we have them organised, we need to build up our strength in that organisation.

So we need to make the people just better political activists, better people in general. We need to increase their strength. And that can come in very many forms, not just obviously brawn or muscle. It comes from their courage, their mastery of particular things. There’s many things that we can do to increase our strength as a movement.

So I think generally the things we need to do is proselytize, build understanding of our world view as possible. We need to recruit people, motivate them to actually take action. And then those people that we have, we need to make sure that they are the best that they can be.

Blair Cottrell: Understanding the capacity for thought of the standard White Australian these days, what do you think the best method for selling National Socialism to them is? Is it simplistic phraseology? Is it kind of the sort of activism that you’ve already been engaged in? Is it a combination of things? Do you think the average Australian can ever become a conscious National Socialist? Do they even need to be, or do they just need to vote for an appropriate party that stands at least in part with National Socialist principles? What I’m asking you is, do you think it’s possible to make National Socialists of the standard working class Australians?

Jacob Hersant: I think it’s definitely possible. Whether it’s probable is another question. I think it’s going to be very difficult. But I think that ultimately it’s something that’s necessary. We’re going to have to do it if we are going to survive as a distinct and honourable ethnic group going forward.

I think there’s particular parts of our worldview that are more palatable to people where they are now. One of those things is basically just racism generally. I think Australians on the whole are more racist than other White ethnic groups, basically because of historical circumstances and the kind of national consciousness that we developed through the centuries through not too many centuries obviously, we’re a new nation. But we have a unique history that makes us predisposed to ideas of racial solidarity and all of these things.

I think there’s other things that will take quite a bit of work to convince people of things like historical revisionism, the Second World War, the view of Adolf Hitler and things like that. Nonetheless, I think these are necessary. We have to fight in the realm of ideas on all fronts! Some people think that we can just leave behind particular issues because it’s going to be more difficult to convince people of those. But we’re obviously in a struggle against an enemy who aren’t going to just let us cede that ground. They’re obviously going to keep ripping up those wounds and trying to discredit us by bringing those things up over and over again!

So I think we need to fight on all fronts and we need to convince people of all these things.

But I don’t think that it is impossible for us to convince White Australians to become National Socialists because, well, I am one of them. I am one person who has been convinced, so I know that other people can be convinced.

But also we have the historical example of Adolf Hitler, who gained cultural hegemony over the German people. And many other countries also were adjacent to National Socialism. So we know that these views can become widely supported. We just need to put all of our effort into making sure that that is realised again.

Blair Cottrell: What age were you when you first became sold on National Socialism? Because I’ve known you for a while. I’ve seen you around for quite a while. You’re not someone who’s new in the sphere of politics and political activism or fringe political groups, you might say. I know you’ve been around since you were quite young. So how old were you when you first came to describe yourself as a National Socialist? And what was it that first alerted you to the essence of that doctrine, the truth of that doctrine?

Jacob Hersant: Well, it was initially when I was in high school, so I was probably 15 or 16 or maybe more.

Blair Cottrell: That would have been a good time! I wish I was in school with you, man, that would have been funny! [chuckling]

Jacob Hersant: I got up to all kinds of funny things when I was in high school! I got suspended a few times. I won’t go into it, but it was all politically related. I guess that was, …

[35:33]

Blair Cottrell: Was it for being racist? Were you suspended for being racist?

Jacob Hersant: Yeah, for being racist and being, I guess, what they would call homophobic or against sexual perversion. So I managed to upset a bunch of people at the school. I guess that was the beginning of my, quote, unquote, “life of crime”. Because all of my criminal matters that have happened, obviously after I was in high school, are all politically related as well.

Blair Cottrell: You mentioned that Australians may have a better sense of ethnic consciousness than other European or extension European peoples. You said Australians are generally more racist in a positive sense. Do you see any problems or weaknesses pertaining to the Australian nature? What can we improve on as a collective group?

Jacob Hersant: One of the things that is very frustrating is the apathetic nature of a lot of Australians, where they basically throw up their hands and say:

“Nothing can be done!”

Or they say:

“She’ll be right, we’ll just allow everything to happen because I’ve got other things to do. I’m just going to focus on my own life, maybe go fishing, watch the football, do things like that. While everything goes to hell!”

We’re not as politically engaged as other countries are. I think one of the weaknesses we have is while we are more racial, we don’t have as long as a history as other ethnic groups like obviously our parent nations, the Scottish, the English, the Welsh, the Irish, but other European ethnicities as well, like the Germans and Scandinavians.

And all of these ethnicities have longer histories that have a way longer national story than we do. Ours basically goes back to England, but that is on the other side of the world. That history is also our history in terms of blood. But it isn’t the same in terms of politics. I guess it is partly politics, but in terms of geography and in terms of the story of our people, particularly in this part of the world.

So I think a lot of people don’t have as robust an understanding of Australianism as a German would have about Germanness or an Englishman would have about Englishness.

Blair Cottrell: There has been a great deal of effort on the part of the government and relevant institutions to make sure Australians don’t know a lot about their history though. I kind of don’t blame the luckless victims, to borrow a phrase from Mein Kampf. I try to sympathize with people because they’ve been victims of hostile anti-national propaganda for at least a couple of generations now. So Australians not really having a strong sense of Australianism I think is more a result of exposure to enemy propaganda rather than our own ignorance. I think Australians want to believe in the greatness of this country and of their national identity. They want to believe in something, they want to be a part of something greater. But they’re shouted down as racists every time they try.

So there is potential there I think there’s still a lot of good stock down here in Australia, plenty of good stock. I think there’s great potential for a bit of a reawakening, a national awakening. And I see that as well and truly underway in many different parts of society. There’s all sorts of different lobby groups and nationalist organisations popping up all over Australia. Activist cells either related to you or kind of organic, and getting into activism as a result of their own ideas and methods, which is a good thing.

You know, I think Tom Sewell borrowed a phrase from, I don’t know who initially said it. I don’t even know if it was Mao. He says:

“Let a thousand flowers blossom.”

That seems to be happening down here in Australia. There’s a lot of organic resistance and activism happening. You’ve got Mattie Trihey in the National Workers Alliance. You’ve got British-Australian Community, who I follow on Telegram. They push, they put some good stuff out there. And there’s you guys, the National Socialist Network, there’s Tom Sewell and the EAM [European Australian Movement]. There’s plenty of good stuff going on out there. So I kind of see that as an organic national response to the situation our country’s in. Kind of like an immune response, like the nation is the body.

And all of these activists, such as yourselves, you, Tom, these other groups, kind of like these guys are the White blood cell activity, the immune response that’s fighting back against foreign bodies within ours. So, yeah, it’s good stuff. Like there’s plenty of potential is what I’m trying to say.

But yeah, man, thanks for jumping on.

Is there anything else you want to talk about before we start going through a few Superchats?

Jacob Hersant: I can’t think of anything really. I think we covered most of what was happening with the Welcome to Country and about politics in general.

Blair Cottrell: How are you feeling? How are you feeling lately? Everyone’s sick. I just got better after being sick for weeks. It just flattened me, man, and it’s really like sapped my energy. I don’t know what goes on in Melbourne, but Melbourne’s like this big incubator. It’s like everyone gets sick at the same time, which never used to happen. I don’t remember that happening before, but yeah. You feeling okay?

[41:38]

Jacob Hersant: I’ve only gotten better recently. I’ve been sick for probably like a week and a half. So I was actually sick before going to Anzac Day. I was actually getting better and I probably would have woke up 100%. But I only had 2 hours sleep the night before going to Anzac Day because I just couldn’t turn off. I was too excited about what was going to happen at the Dawn Service. And I was doing a lot of editing that night and I find if I’m just doing work on the computer before I try to go to sleep, I find it really difficult to go to sleep.

So I was run down and then had two hours sleep.

And then just the hit of adrenaline while I was booing was just crazy! Because I, the part, the group I was part of that was booing, it felt like it was just us. Like I was booing so loud that I couldn’t hear any other groups. So I like messaged the chat. I was like:

“It feels like it’s just me. Like [chuckling] where is everyone?”

Because there was a bunch of other people that were coming but nobody. And you can’t hear a lot of those guys because there was obviously 50,000 people there and I was the only one that was booing loud enough within the proximity of the microphone. And our group. It wasn’t just me. We’re the only ones that could be heard in the footage. But it felt like there was no one there and I was just, I just dumped all my adrenaline just booing as loud as possible, just like making sure that there wasn’t any public heroes that were going to go and try to fight me.

The vast majority of the people that were around me were actual veterans, like the veteran that obviously defended me. But they were there and they were just agreeing with me more or less.

So there wasn’t any men there that were going to try and stop me from booing because we’re just doing it over and over again for like 10 minutes of just straight booing at them, and nobody stopped us. It was just a bunch of cat ladies around us that were getting upset. And then I was just re channeling their energy back at the speaker saying:

“Yeah, stop it!”

And just having a lot of fun. But they would have been upset about the Welcome to Country, so they didn’t care. I saw a lot of Leftists were saying:

“How were these neo-Nazis in a crowd of 50,000 people and not have their head stomped in? How weren’t they killed by this crowd?”

Blair Cottrell: And it’s funny, isn’t it? People think that there’s something about a so-called neo-Nazi that’s going to make them recognizable in a crowd.

But the only things I can think of that would make them recognizable is, I don’t know, like good health, caring about themselves, being basically upstanding members of society who are trying to do what they can for their country. It’s not like they’re this caricature of evil or twisted demon that you like have a duty to go and stomp when you see them.

As far as I’m aware and based on my own experience, the people who go for National Socialism tend to hold themselves to higher standards than average. So it’s funny the perspective certain people have of the designated evil, the Nazi.

Jacob Hersant: Well, we got to remember that the crowd there at the Shrine of Remembrance isn’t going to be TikTok Leftists and Aboriginals. The only Aboriginal that I saw there was the one that was getting paid thousands of dollars to humiliate the veterans that were there., …

Blair Cottrell: He looked angry that guy, especially when he heard the boos. I don’t think he knew how to take that. He sort of tried to keep speaking but he couldn’t keep the disdain from showing on his face. He was very upset!

And a friend of mine said that he shouldn’t have been wearing a hat. That was kind of disrespectful for him to be wearing a cap while he was giving an address. Well, he shouldn’t have been on the podium in the first place. The guy is a political activist. He’s an Aboriginal activist who believes in Aboriginal racial nationalism speaking or rather spruiking his certain ideology or perspective of Australia which is an anti-White perspective at the Anzac Day Dawn Service. Which is, it’s just unacceptable, it’s inappropriate. He shouldn’t have even been there.

But you know, he was also wearing a hat. You can’t even wear a hat in court or anything on your head. If you walk into a courtroom with a hat, the magistrate or the judge will tell you to take it off. It’s disrespectful. It’s understood as being a disrespectful thing. So you know, the guy couldn’t have been any more disrespectful with what he said or how he presented himself. So he deserved to be booed! And the whole country understands that, they agree with it. So it seems like all the support is behind you, man!

Jacob Hersant: Yeah, I didn’t see any non-Whites there other than two non-Whites at the end when the police were there and they were just asking the police to arrest me. So, they were maybe in their early 20s, just like young fighting age men just begging the police to arrest me for booing.

And yeah, I think the only caps that should be worn are the ones that are part of the army uniform. If you’re wearing some sort of slouch hat or whatever, you’re a guard. There shouldn’t be any caps worn. But he was wearing a baseball cap! And he just looked disheveled and just not dressed properly to conduct a official ceremony like that.

[47:44]

Blair Cottrell: Well, I noticed that you’ve got a lot of support, not just from the Australian people, but various influencers on the Internet, too.

But pivoting to a different subject briefly, did you see the very honest Liberal and Labor Party flyers that have been appearing over the last couple of days?

Jacob Hersant: I did see those. They were very funny! I saw the jewish one, “The Liberal Party Loves jews” and it was obviously just saying “giving the jews everything they want”. I don’t want to spoil it too much for when Joel comes on here and says everything that happened, but it was very funny.

And I thought it was going to be difficult to get some publicity after just the massive explosion that was the Welcome to Country. But that story, obviously targeting the jews just exploded as well.

So it was very good. I’m always impressed with activism that doesn’t need a lot of effort and it doesn’t need a lot of people. But the idea is just so good that it just works perfectly.

And I think this week these last two weeks have exemplified that kind of style of activism, because how much do we have to pay to boo at the Shrine of Remembrance? And how much is it to just have three people show up to the polling booth with, well, maybe they had to pay for the jew costumes [chuckling] they had on! But obviously it’s not a lot of cost, but it’s created a lot of hysteria from our enemies that has obviously put our point of view to the public and has brought a lot of attention to our cause and our organisations.

Blair Cottrell: It’s like no rest for the wicked, right? These major parties, government bureaucrats, they have to go to a great deal of effort to try to disguise what they’re doing as not harmful for the future of the country, not hostile to the Australian people. They have to talk all kinds of nonsense and run rings around themselves to try to create the necessary slogans and obfuscate what it is they’re doing. It takes much less effort to just expose what they’re doing with simple satire or very direct and honest criticism, doesn’t it? I think that’s where the saying “no rest for the wicked” comes from. When you have evil intentions, when what you’re doing is dishonourable, it’s based on lies. You’ve got to make a great deal more effort to push that kind of message. And people on the opposing side who represent the truth, they can have a profound impact by doing only a fraction of the work. Because when you use the truth, you don’t need to put as much energy or as much effort into getting a result that the enemy needs to put in the kind of resources, man, the resources, the amount of money that the major parties are probably burning through on these ridiculous campaigns where they’re not even, like, making their policies known or understood. It’s just a bunch of people smiling and just talking shit with simplistic phraseology. And the amount of money, it’s like costing the amount of public money probably that’s being spent on this shit!

But, yeah, that’s my perspective on the whole thing.

But, yeah, man, thanks for jumping on. It’s been good. You’re a good sport. Where will you see Jacob Hersant next? I suppose you can’t give anything away. Are you appearing in court anytime soon?

Jacob Hersant: Yes, I’ll be going to the county court soon. I’m not sure of the exact date, but it should be in the next few months. And we’ll be there for three days, I believe. Just arguing that I didn’t give the Roman salute and that getting a month in jail is excessive. And also arguing, obviously, that it’s against the Australian constitution to prohibit political communication of which giving a gesture is an example.

Blair Cottrell: You’re actually not the only one who’s been charged with giving a Roman salute. You were the first one charged after the new legislation was passed. But former Neighbors actor, soap actor Damian Richardson has also been charged after he gave a satirical Roman salute at a private function, trying to draw attention to how ridiculous the law was. And because that gesture or his presentation was live streamed to Facebook, I’m pretty sure Victoria police snapshotted or recorded that segment of the live stream and went to his house to charge him for performing a Nazi gesture or salute. So he’s having to go to court for possibly what I understand is a similar charge to the one you’ve got.

I think you’ll both be coming at it from different angles, though, because you’re arguing for the right to make the gesture as part of free political expression, whereas Damien will be saying he doesn’t even really believe it. He’s actually just doing it satirically to criticise the law itself. So there’ll be some interesting outcomes in the courts. Hopefully you guys get fair hearings and hopefully the judge comes to a sensible ruling.

So, yeah, that’ll be something I’ll follow closely because I’m interested to see how those matters turn out.

Jacob Hersant: Yeah, well, I think the higher it goes up the courts, the fairer the hearings will get. So the county court should be better than the magistrates.

And I think after the county court, if we don’t get a ruling in our favour, we’re just going to go from the county court to the High Court.

So that’s what my lawyer told me. Although maybe that’s subject to change. Maybe we’ll go to the Supreme Court of Victoria and then try there. Because I know the Supreme Court has ruled previously in favour of expression. I know the New South Wales Supreme Court actually ruled in favour of environmental activists blocking the road and saying that that was a form of political communication.

So I don’t know how these higher Ranking judges are going to seriously make a case that giving a Roman salute isn’t a form of political communication that needs to be defended by the Constitution for us to have the system that we purport to have or that the Constitution outlines.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, well said. And before we get Joel on, what’s your message to the viewers, to not just the Australian people, but to anyone who’s interested in nationalism, anyone who wants to be active, wants to get involved. What kind of words do you have? What’s your message to those people?

Jacob Hersant: I just encourage everybody to get active in some way. Because there’ll be lots of people out there that are consuming content and they’re feeding their mind and they’re being won to our position.

But that really isn’t enough. You need to take that next step and start working productively for those ideals that you’ve been won to. You need to proselytise more. You need to propagate the ideas that have been obviously recreated in your brain. People have convinced you of those ideas. Now you need to go over and convince other people of those ideas.

And there’s other ways that obviously I previously stated, you can engage in recruitment work, you can encourage people to get active, you can just make yourself a better person, make sure that you’re flourishing in every aspect of your life, and not only individually in terms of self improvement, but also collectively as a people. You can encourage the people around you, White Australians, to flourish as well.

Blair Cottrell: Well, thanks, mate. Well said. And thanks for jumping on. It’s been good. Some really good stuff in there. And I’m sure we’ll speak to you again soon. Best of luck in the immediate future. We’ll keep an eye on what’s going on in court and support you any way we can.

So thanks for coming.

Jacob Hersant: Sounds good. Thank you for having me on Blood and Honour!

Blair Cottrell: You’re welcome, mate.

[56:41]

[Joel Davis comes on]

So next up, I’ll get Joel Davis on and we’ll continue the stream. Now I can sit back and let Joel drive. Man, that’s stressful, actually driving the stream! It requires actually a bit more mental energy than I expected. I’m starting to like, understand what you go through Joel. Well done, man! Glad we have you.

Joel Davis: I don’t really go through anything. I can’t be in a conversation that I don’t drive. I don’t know how to do that. But it is frustrating not be not being able to just do the stream with Jacob and you, because of these ridiculous limitations that are placed upon us. Unconstitutional, unlawful and outrageous limitations that are placed upon us by our ridiculous legal system. But hopefully that doesn’t go on for much longer.

I will say quickly, before we talk about other things, about Jacob booing the Welcome to Country. And not just Jacob, but Jacob kind of became the face of the booing, because he got up very early, got down there really early in the morning, like 4:00 in the morning, I think. So he was right up the front and his voice was able to come through the microphones basically of the official proceedings so you could hear it on television. And it was like Beamed all around the 45,000 people who were there. And it was his idea as well to do it. Obviously some of the other boys did it. But it really did launch a national conversation and a conversation that we won pretty conclusively, I would say. I mean Australians have “abo fatigue”. We talked about this when The Voice referendum* was happening.

[* The 2023 (Labour government) Australian Indigenous Voice referendum was a constitutional referendum held on 14 October 2023 in which the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice was rejected (with 60% voting No). Voters were asked to approve an alteration to the Australian Constitution (giving Abos special rights) that would recognise Indigenous Australians in the document through prescribing a body called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice that would have been able to make representations to Federal Parliament and the executive government on “matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples”. Wikipedia]

But I think Australians had abo fatigue, know from the very beginning, as soon as we showed up. I think we were sick of them from the moment we met them. And we’ve only become more and more sick of them the longer we’ve had to deal with them. I mean, but at least in the past, at least, …

Blair Cottrell: Surely we had a few days or weeks of tolerance. I don’t think we got fatigue immediately upon looking at them, did we? What do you think?

Joel Davis: But the thing is, if they weren’t used as a bulwark by communists, by Leftists, by jews and so on, by other immigrant groups, if they weren’t weaponised against us. If our own White guilt complex wasn’t weaponised against us through the medium of Aboriginal worship, then it could be a kind of humourous triviality, right?

But because they’re used against us, we’re forced, … You almost feel bad because it’s almost like they’re almost too infantile and stupid to even take that seriously. So I don’t feel the same kind of like visceral hatred or disgust or anything that I do for like many other groups that I do for Aboriginals, frankly. I just kind of find them contemptuous and goofy.

But then when they kind of wheel them out as a humiliation ritual, as an attack against White Australians, particularly on our most sacred day, the veneration of our fallen ancestors who gave their blood, their lives for our people, for our nation, then it’s really egregious and it has to be called out.

But yeah, Jacob did a fantastic job and I think it showed. What other country in the world is there except Australia where Nazis can drive consistently the political conversation? I don’t think there’s another country in the world where that’s happening. We’re the only country in the world where it’s happening and we’re the only interesting thing in Australian politics.

[1:00:23]

Blair Cottrell: Why do you think that is happening? Why do you think that is an exclusive Australian situation? Why is that possible down here and nowhere else? What’s going on that’s allowing that?

Joel Davis: It’s hard. I think it’s a partly to do with the fact that Australian politics is so fucking boring and most Australians don’t get involved in politics because it seems like a boring activity for nerds and faggots that they don’t want to have anything to do with. And we’re the only like non-nerd faction in politics.

So obviously we are the ones with any kind of personality or dynamism. And it’s because we’re attracted to this very kind of radical doctrine and approach. But racism, trolling, this really is some of the essence of what it means to be an Australian. These things drive down to the core, like racist larrikinism is basically like one of the core constitutive elements of what it means to be Australian. So of course the racist larrikins are the ones that are going to be like the avatars of Australianness in the 21st century politics, however it manifests.

So yeah, I think all of us as a group and our associates and friends who are in our in our immediate kind of crew. That’s why we’re interesting.

And basically then you have this massive brigade of inner city Leftists and cosmopolitan non-White immigrants, you know, media journalists, sellouts and so on, who have this kind of cultural cabal, and then use that position to then morally grandstand to the rest of the country in the most exaggerated and ridiculous form where they pretend to be offended at everything. But Australians aren’t like that. Australians don’t give a fuck! Australians are irreverent. Australians swear all the time. We’re the descendants of convicts and we’re a colonial people. We’re kind of like rough. That’s one thing that I found frustrating whenever I visited other European countries or America was that often., …

Blair Cottrell: They’re too delicate. They’re too dramatic. Too delicate.

Joel Davis: Exactly! Everyone else is more delicate than us. Our political class is like a transplant from America. It doesn’t actually make any sense in Australian culture, but no one’s really challenging it except us.

And yeah, you should just see the expression in the faces of police officers when they have to deal with us. Or even when I went down to that polling booth the other day and I’m sure a lot of people have seen the video. I guess I’ll play it in a sec. When we were trolling the Liberal Party and the jews, do you know who was laughing the hardest? The people that were handing out flyers for the Liberal Party. They were all pissing themselves laughing at what we were doing! It really says it all.

Blair Cottrell: That laughter insinuates an understanding, a knowing that what you’re doing has some semblance of truth to it. It’s like that’s why people laugh. There’s some correlation between truth and humour. Comedians would understand it better than I do.

But yeah, it’s almost like someone’s saying the obvious, that’s funny! Like I said, their laughter insinuates that they understand that’s the truth!

Joel Davis: Yeah, like it wouldn’t be funny if they didn’t have an element of truth to it.

Anyway, enough about that. We had this pamphlet as well. It’s getting no media coverage. I thought it was just as funny personally. Maybe it’s a little bit on the nose for some people, but I mean we’ve got the Labor, you know, poo emoji, the pooh, the Pooh Labor.

Blair Cottrell: So what is that? What does that one say on the back?:

“Flood Australia with Indians. Albanese Government’s plan. Higher house prices and rents. Vibrant multiculturalism.”

Joel Davis: You’ve got to read the captions Blair so that it has the comedic effect. I designed this, …

Blair Cottrell: I’ll read the whole thing! I’ll read the whole thing. I’m just being lazy:

“Higher house prices and rents driving up demand to make sure you pay more. Vibrant multiculturalism. Not only do Indians smell great, they’re also extremely polite!”

Well, that’s not true:

“More Uber drivers. Being sexually assaulted by an Uber driver helps [chuckling] build character!”

Joel Davis: We love Indians on the Joel and Blair Show!

Blair Cottrell: And did you authorize this Joel Davis? [chuckling] Is this your idea?

Joel Davis: Yes, but I’ve been ordered by the Australian Electoral Commission to “cease and desist disseminating”. So we have ceased.

Blair Cottrell: When did that happen? Did they come to your house? What? How’d they do that?

Joel Davis: No, no, I got an email, and then they said:

“You’ve got to put an address. You can’t just put National Social Network Melbourne. You’ve got to put an address. A mailing address.”

Blair Cottrell: They found a technicality.

Joel Davis: Yeah. And the thing is, National Social Network doesn’t really have a mailing address.

But then I realised we had an old PO Box that is still active. So then I put the P.O. Box, and they said:

“No, that’s not good enough. You need to put your home address.”

And I was like:

“I don’t want to publish my home address. With communists firebombing people’s houses and stuff in the past with us, I don’t really want to do that.”

So I said:

“I’ll cease and desist.”

They said:

“Cease and desist or publish your address.”

And I said:

“I’ll cease and desist.”

So we’re ceasing and desisting. But we got a bunch of these out.

Blair Cottrell: I think the point’s been made, the impacts there. And the elections tomorrow anyway. The final day to vote is tomorrow, I’m pretty sure. So I think it’s played out its role. The most honest Labor Party flyer! The most honest Liberal Party flyer!

[1:06:05]

Joel Davis: Honestly Liberal Party kind of like, builds up. You know, it starts off just making a point about the housing crisis, and it gets more and more absurd! Like, each line, …

Blair Cottrell: I think that one’s good. Like, to be honest, I think that one was actually funnier than even the Liberal Party one.

Joel Davis: Thing is that the Indians don’t have enough power yet to be able to make it into anything. The jews, they don’t have Indians on Sky News and they don’t have a bunch of Indians controlling the movement yet. They’re working towards it, I guess, but they don’t have that kind of power. So I guess, you know, no one cares.

And I think people didn’t really post about it much online because I guess a lot of Aussies just thought it was funny. I think a lot of people just thought it was funny and just chuckled to themselves and no one really got offended. So maybe we should have fired them in the Libshit area. We should have gone to like Brunswick and like the communist area and dumped them there or something because they probably would have seethed and freaked out about it.

But instead I thought we’d go to White working class areas where they’re actually getting replaced by Indians and we’ll dump it there. But then inadvertently I probably helped like the Liberals win some votes. So I don’t know, I was kind of dumb in that sense, but I thought it was funny.

At the end of the day, fuck both sides, obviously what matters is not Liberal or Labor, Blue team, red team, but rising above and realizing that it’s all bullshit! And you could say the same thing about both parties. The Liberal Party are trying to replace us with Indians and the Labor Party suck off the jews as well. So it’s like it’s all the same. It doesn’t really matter.

Blair Cottrell: Well, they both got similar sponsors with similar interests, don’t they?

Joel Davis: Yeah.

Blair Cottrell: It’s not really like you have a real choice. And people understand that now more than ever! Regular people I talk to in construction, old friends of mine, they just think the system is so corrupt they don’t even want to vote. They’re only voting so they don’t get fined. Like that’s the main reason a lot of them are voting. I hope that situation changes in the near future and there’s a decent option. I know there are some decent options in terms of Senators and stuff like that, but there’s no real, there’s no party that I feel is truly representative of the working class. Australian.

Joel Davis: No, I mean I do. I’ve become more impressed with the Trumpet of Patriots as things have gone on. Like they actually really, …

Blair Cottrell: Why is that? What’s going on with the Trumpet of Patriots? Why are you impressed by them? Explain.

Joel Davis: I don’t know, I think their policies are actually pretty good. I think they have probably some of the best policies. And I like that they went, they took on Liberal and Labor. They’re saying:

“Fuck the Uni-Party, we’re taking on both sides. We’re not going to be the Right-wing of the Liberal Party, like One Nation. We’re going to actually take them on.”

And I appreciate that about them. Unfortunately, they have a very unsophisticated campaign. They don’t have good personalities, they slapped everything together at the last minute with the stupid name.

And so even though Clive has sunk ridiculous amounts of money into it’s an entire waste of money! I saw John McGowan on a podcast the other day saying that he was talking to one of his buddies who’s crunched the numbers and he said that for the same amount of money that Clive has put into all these ads that he’s taking out, like over $100 million he spent on all the advertising for this campaign, he could have bought a controlling stake in Channel 7!

Imagine he buys Channel 7, fires Kochi, replaces him with Ralph Babet. Now, Sunrise is hosted by Ralph Babet. You got Blair Cottrell doing Better Homes and Gardens. Every single segment. All the mums and the grandmas are going to be tuning into that every night as Blair shows you how to mow lawns and cook pasta and shit like that! How to build. Blair’s a carpenter, he knows how to build shit! You know, maybe you could even give me a show on there. Like, just put like a whole bunch of like radical Right-wing people on the program. Let that cook for three years and then see how many votes you get next time. You’re going to get way more votes than with this silly campaign.

But there’s no dynamism, there’s no real depth of thought, which is why I’ve said:

“Clive, you know, get in touch. You know, you could have given me 1 million rather than 100 million, and I probably could have got you more votes. You know, with a little bit of intelligence, you can see what I’m doing with zero million.”

Blair Cottrell: You’re on fire tonight. This is great stuff! Look, previously you’ve done some activism which was quite, I don’t want to say aggressive, but it was definitely serious. The message you were driving was a serious one.

Now, with this recent activism, you seem to have pivoted more to a satirical approach, like appealing to just humour. Is there any reason for that or was it kind of just a whimsical spur of the moment type thing?

[1:10:40]

Joel Davis: No, no, I just realised that I was a really that my horrible anti-semitism was just misplaced. I met my new jewish friends, Shlomo and Ben Shapiro, and they explained to me how they’re the chosen race of God and that I’m scum, I’m vermin, I’m beneath them and that I need to get down and worship them and serve them as their loyal subordinate. And I saw the light! I saw the light and that’s why I decided to go out and campaign for the Liberal Party and atone for my bad goy ways, you know.

Blair Cottrell: Like the protest, whatever it is, like the leaflet drop, it’s over now. You can switch off the sarcasm. You can like get out of that mindset.

Joel Davis: Do you want to see the video or have you guys seen it?

Blair Cottrell: Let watch it. There’s going to be people who haven’t seen it. I made a little, I took some clips of it in the promo, but people need to see the full thing.

Joel Davis: I think someone said:

“A lady rang in 3AW while you were in Brighton.”

I wasn’t in Brighton!

So there’s been a bit of, there’s been, … I think that’s maybe what she’s referring to. Matt Trihey, he pulled up at the front of early voting booth in Brighton and started quoting immigration and crime statistics.

Blair Cottrell: The absolutely relentless Matt Trihey!

Joel Davis: Trihey’s been quality lately. He’s been active, he’s been on the front foot. We’ve seen good stuff this election cycle from What’s News, Lawrence. He got into a few press conferences and asked some questions. I think this election campaign the far-Right stunts have been very good. We’ve done a lot of stunts collectively as a movement.

Blair Cottrell: We’re evolving.

Joel Davis: And we have managed to consistently drive the narrative.

But the Liberal Party are such cucks that they haven’t really been able to benefit from any of it. They could have simply just been an actual Right-wing party and they could have used the energy that’s out there to win! Because that’s what for example, Trump did. Trump and Elon Musk, they played to the far-Right. They unbanned us off Twitter. They pretended like they were our guys, used our stunts to get elected and then rug pulled us right. And the Liberal Party isn’t even sophisticated enough to do anything like that, which is why they probably will deserve to lose tomorrow. Although, I don’t know, everyone is saying that the election’s done and Labor is definitely going to win!

I don’t know. I feel like Jacob doing the Welcome to Country could have unleashed a kind of series of dominoes that could potentially swing the election back the other way. Because, you know, Dutton immediately came out like an hour after on Anzac Day and said:

“These horrible Nazis! The Holocaust and Hitler was, … And blah, blah, blah!”

Blair Cottrell: Then when he saw the popular vote, he flipped!

Joel Davis: When he saw that everyone actually rallied behind us and didn’t give a fuck if we were Nazis, then he realised he had to get back on the right side of history.

Blair Cottrell: These Parliamentarians, man! They’ve got no integrity. I think Tucker Carlson was right when he said:

“They’re basically akin to used car salesmen and that’s what they would be in a better economy.”

They’re not impressive people. They’re not creating anything. They’re not very capable. They’re kind of like very, I don’t even know how to really describe it. Just mercantile of the worst kind! They don’t have any principles.

Joel Davis: The finest politician is, at the moment is Ralph Babet. Senator Ralph Babet. And obviously he’s brown and you know, we will deport him to “Caramel Island”.

Blair Cottrell: Caramel Island, Yeah. Yeah, that’s Babet. Yeah. That’s the only reason I know who Babet is, because I’ve seen the, …

Joel Davis: All the brown honeys, we’re going to deport to Caramel Island to be his harem when he assists us in re-establishing White Australia. That’s the official policy of Tom Sewell.

Blair Cottrell: I think if no one’s in the know about that meme, then I suppose, …

Joel Davis: Yeah. Well, anyway, anyway, Babet, his response when they, he, quote tweeted, I can’t remember who, which news article, which news source, but they said:

“The Welcome to Country has been booed by neo-Nazis.”

And then he said:

“Good!”

That was his response. Imagine if Dutton had said that.

Blair Cottrell: Is that all he said? [chuckling] It was just “good”.

Joel Davis: Yeah, just “good”.

Blair Cottrell: That’s based, man! What a sick, …

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! Yeah, exactly! But tomorrow when you’re voting, you can’t even vote for him. You can vote for some Trumpet of Patriots knockoff.

Blair Cottrell: Why can’t you vote for Babet? Is that because he’s a Senator in a different state?

Joel Davis: Yeah. Well, he’s not up for re-election because Senators serve double terms. So he got elected last election, so he doesn’t need to be re elected until next election.

So when you run for Senate in Victoria, Blair, you and Ralph Babet are probably going to be the two big names competing for the dissident Right-wing vote in Victoria. And that’ll be interesting. Maybe we can do a preference deal or something, so, …

Blair Cottrell: Oh, I’ll have some high level speech writing. Like we’ve got some smart minds in the community right now.

Joel Davis: Yeah, someone X Axe:

“Will this $2 get me a Caramel Island too, please?”

It’s going to cost you a lot more than $2, buddy. A lot more than $2.

Blair Cottrell: You have to be caramel [brown] too. You can’t go to Caramel Island if you’re White. That’s miscegenation, man!

[1:16:04]

Joel Davis: Yeah, but if you’re into the caramel honeys, you should be deported to Caramel Island because I mean, but that’s for people who are actually doing something of use. Like you have to earn it! The rest of you are just going back to your of origin. Crazy Recluse. He sent a Superchat, which was just at Crazy Recluse. Why are you sending your own?

Blair Cottrell: I think he might have made an error there. Yeah, he probably wanted to say something, screwed it up, sent the money by mistake. Now he’s got to send more money if he wants to actually say what he wanted to say.

Joel Davis: Sorry, bro. Skill issue.

But anyway, I’ll play this video because yeah, this is the edit that was made to fit for TikTok. By the way, if you have a TikTok account, go get this from my Telegram and post it on TikTok because it was kind of made for TikTok, but I don’t even have a TikTok.

So anyway, here’s what I got up to on Wednesday.

[Clip with Fiddler on the Roof music]

“Hi, my name is Joel Davis. I’m from the National Socialist Network and for a long time I was an anti-semite. But I realised quite recently once I had a conversation with my new jewish friends that actually I’m a dumb goy and that I’m a horrible anti-semite and I’m gonna go to jail if I don’t change my ways.”

“And so I’ve decided to come out here today to help campaign for the Liberal Party, unofficially for the Liberal Party, but I’m a big fan. This Liberal Party wants to put the jews first, giving The jews everything they want. That’s the platform. We can see here the fantastic policies on offer from the Liberal Party, in my opinion. And their plan to give jews everything they want. Israel first! Australia doesn’t even defend itself. Who cares about Australia? What matters is we must protect the state of Israel. Because they’re jews! And we’re just dumb little goys. We’re just cannon fodder. Abolish free speech! We all know that criticising jews is another Holocaust. Jail anti-semites.”

“The little goys like me belong in jail. Unless we can change our ways and show that we love the jewish community. In fact, we worship the jewish community. In fact, jews are the superior race chosen by God. And I’m just vermin! I’m scum! Making jews safe is all that matters.”

“Give jews free money. We all know the jews are doing it tough. You know, they’re short on coin. So the Liberal Party has got great policies to give the jews free money. No strings attached. And I love that. So consider this year, this election. Bring the jews first. Put a Liberal Party first. Give the jews everything they want. Vote Liberal!”

“Look at our policy. Great policies! We love our Liberal Party. Great policies. Israel first! Australia doesn’t need to defend itself. Why would Australia need to defend itself? I mean, what about Israel? Abolish free speech! Criticizing jews is another Holocaust. It’s another shoah! We can’t allow that. Jail anti-semites! We must jail all anti-semites! Forget criminals! Who cares! Anti Semites are the real issue. Making jews feel safe. It’s really all that matters. And we need to give jews free money because we know the jews a little short on cash, right?”

“So Liberal Party website. These are our policies. Not our policies. I’m not from the Liberal Party. I’m just a big fan. I’m a dumb goy. I’m a convert. I used to be an anti-semite. But now I realised I was a dumb future little bad little goy. I don’t want to go to jail. So I’m getting on the winning team! This is my jewish friends, Shlomo and Ben Shapiro.”

“Shalom! Shalom! And mazel tov! * You see here. Giving the jews everything they want. That’s all the Liberal Party is all about. And we’re dumb goys here to support Liberal Party. No, I once supported Palestine, but now I realise that I’m a dumb goy. And we’re here to support Liberal Party because we’re just dumb putrid little goys. You don’t deserve free speech we don’t deserve support. All that matters is the state of Israel and the jewish community!”

[* Mazel tov or “mazal tov” is a Jewish phrase used to express congratulations for a happy and significant occasion or event. Wikipedia]

Blair Cottrell: Oh man!

Joel Davis:

“What a good little shabos goy. Mazal tov! Authorized by Joel Davies, National Socialist Network.”

Blair Cottrell: Just dumb, [chuckling] putrid little goys, man! So I noticed Avi Yemini posted an image of the flyer that someone found in their letterbox or something before you even got a chance to post anything.

Joel Davis: Yeah, we made sure that they were distributed the night before to kind of, you gotta set the table before you eat. So Avi Yemini, he was like:

“Oh, how could the National Socialist Network distribute these flyers in the jewish community on the eve of Shalom Shlomo Shak!”

Blair Cottrell: Every evening is some important jewish holiday.

Joel Davis: And it’s like you have a Remembrance Day of the Holocaust every three weeks! We don’t remember what all your fucking days are, dude!

Blair Cottrell: Well, they have that many holidays, it’s like every evening is some sort of important holiday for some reason, or even it’s not a holiday. It’s like the observance of something really sad and important to them.

So you can’t really get it right. But what was the general reception like? It seemed like no one really got angry with. Did anyone get angry with you?

[1:21:34]

Joel Davis: No, not one person got angry. And you can see when I was like:

“Hey, look, the shabbos goy. Look at a good little shabbos going for the Liberal Party!”

She started laughing and then she took the pamphlet and she was reading it, laughing while I was talking.

And then there was another guy off camera who was also there for the Liberal Party handing out their Liberal Party flyers. And he was pissing himself, laughing so much he had to like turn around, he was like embarrassed and like cover his mouth because he was like pissing himself laughing.

And then there, it looked like the woman by the way, recall the Matt Trihey incident where he went to the Teal meeting and that crazy woman freaked out and punched him in the head. Remember that? A few weeks ago. A couple weeks ago,

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, of course.

Joel Davis: That same woman was sitting at that park bench and even she was laughing! Because it’s the same electorate. It’s Monique Ryan. It’s the same person for the Teals, against the Liberals in that electorate.

Blair Cottrell: Maybe you’re not the only one who changed their ways that day. She seems to have flipped as well.

Joel Davis: I don’t think the Teals probably like Palestine. The only people that didn’t find that funny was the Greens. You would think the Greens, the jews keep saying how they’re anti-semites because they’re pro-Palestine. But no, the Greens, they love jews!

Blair Cottrell: The Greens don’t like anyone, man!

Joel Davis: Yeah. Maybe they knew who I was and they, …

Blair Cottrell: No, they’re kind of just on principle they’re pretty much against everything.

Joel Davis: For some reason, they couldn’t see the light.

But there were some people there that were normies, that were just like, NPC moment. Like, they had no idea what was going on. Like, they were just like, blank. And there was a few other people that were smirking and sniggering. And laughing. And we didn’t want to be too confrontational because we weren’t trying to be confrontational. We’re just trying to be funny. So we weren’t really trying to get in anyone’s face or anything. We’re just handing out a few pamphlets and the footage doesn’t show everything. We handed out quite a few pamphlets at the start and then I started kind of making a bit more of a scene, speaking more loudly and stuff.

But, yeah, you know, it was just funny. Like, it’s obviously funny. And that’s the beauty of it, too! Like, what law did I break? Like, is it. Is irony illegal now? Like, how do you legislate for irony?

Blair Cottrell: Well, what’s that Isaac Butterfield? Have I got his name right? There’s a comedian which is currently., … I don’t think he’s being charged with anything, but the Human Rights Commission, I believe, did contact him regarding one of his jokes about Aboriginals. So he’s locked up in. I don’t know if it’s a legal battle or not, though I won’t say anything else about it because I don’t have enough information.

However, I do know that there’s this precedent for “intent”, especially when you’re drawing attention to one specific religious or ethnic community. There’s a legal precedent for intent. I know because I was one of the precedent cases years ago for:

“Intent to incite ridicule, revulsion or contempt for a specific class or group of people.”

That’s what I was convicted of and I was one of the first people convicted in the state of Victoria under that piece of legislation. And that’s a funny one, because intent can be, … Pardon?

Joel Davis: That wasn’t my intention there. My intention was just to defend the policies of the Liberal Party. Because apparently it’s illegal to criticise them. Well, when I tried criticising them five months ago on the steps of Victorian Parliament, they raided my house and they said I was a very bad boy for doing that! So now I’m like:

“Okay, fine, you win. I’ll join your team. Okay, I’ll join your team!”

Everything in that flyer was factual, other than maybe, …

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, but doesn’t matter. Truth doesn’t really matter in court. What matters is what can be proven. But I think as long as your intent wasn’t actually to target the jewish community specifically, as long as your intent was just to be funny or to be satirical, I think that’s fine.

Joel Davis: Yeah, well, I mean, it’s funny because one of the policies of the Liberal Party is the jail anti-semites, apparently. And they said:

“Oh, no, that’s horrible neo-Nazi propaganda. That’s not one of our policies. Anyway, we’re going to send you to jail for saying that!”

All these jews were calling for my imprisonment. They were calling we should be declared “terrorists”. Apparently that was terrorist. Apparently doing a, …

Blair Cottrell: Who said that?

Joel Davis: I saw jews on Twitter saying that I’m a terrorist and that the NSN should be declared a terrorist organisation for doing jokes. And it honestly that was probably the most jewish thing I’ve ever done in my life. Like, it was a very jewish comedy style, like Borat, like goofy skit. It was kind of like Sam Hyde meets jewish comedian meets, like, …

Blair Cottrell: Where’s that jewish comedian? What was his name? Neil would know who I’m talking about. God, what was his name? He dug a hole. I’m wondering why he isn’t weighing in on this. He was on radio for quite a while and he dug. He’s known for doing all sorts of weird stunts. He dug a hole next to his mother’s grave so he could scream out in the hope that she would hear him. Her corpse. He was asking her corpse if it was okay if he married a non-jew. What was his name again? Guys, in the comments. Does anyone know who I’m talking about? He’s like this Australian jewish, you know, shock jock, radio hosts, and maybe someone will remember his name. But he’s kind of been absent for the last few years. He was pretty much into political commentary when I was active, you know, five or six years ago. But now he’s gone and I’d like to get his 2 cents on this kind of thing because it’s up his alley. Yeah, there is a general, … John Saffron! Where’s John Saffron these days? I’d like to hear his take on this incident.

[1:27:21]

Joel Davis: Where’s like the chaser? Remember there used to be like the Chasers war. And there was a whole series of these Australian political comedians and they were all like libertarian. They were all kind of like:

“We’re not really Left-wing or Right-wing. We just think it’s all bullshit!”

Kind of like South Park comedians.

And then that kind of style of politics died out in the 2010s. Like, everyone became polarised and you have to pick a side. And they were no longer able to be above it all. It just became cringe!

And so there’s a kind of a dearth of political comedy now. And it’s like, now like actual political activists have to pick up the slack and do the comedy because no one else is capable of doing it. I guess that’s kind of unique.

Blair Cottrell: It’s an effective strategy. Like, Australians love to laugh. Like, we don’t take a lot of stuff seriously. It’s part of the reason that we’re not interested in current official politics. One of the reasons it’s boring, is because it’s not funny. It’s not interesting because it’s not funny. There’s nothing that can be appreciated on that level of humour.

So I think, I’ve always said this too, from the beginning, that humour should be one of our weapons in general activism.

Joel Davis: Yeah.

A lot of people in the chat are saying:

“Who should we vote for tomorrow? Who should we vote for?”

I mean fuck, it’s not that complicated. I’ve said it before as well. I think we should put the Liberals last to punish them. You should put the Right minor parties first. It doesn’t really matter what order you put them in. I would say I like the Trumpets, but putting them. When you put someone first, they actually get money from the AEC [Australian Electoral Commission]. If they get over 4%, they end up accruing money per vote. So you’re giving money to parties.

So I would say, if you had a Rennick candidate, …

Blair Cottrell: Let me chime in. How does the AEC get money to give to parties? Is that like public money?

Joel Davis: Yeah. Yeah.

Blair Cottrell: I didn’t know that. I thought parties had to fund themselves.

Joel Davis: I think it’s a good thing. I think it’s a good thing because it means, like, if you can get a certain amount of votes, that means that you have some constituency, so then the taxpayer will fund you to run a proper campaign next time, rather than money just determining politics. But Trumpet of Patriots don’t need your money because they’ve got Clive Palmer behind them, just wasting money on their campaign. So putting them at number one, unless you really think they’re going to win, there isn’t much point.

So maybe put another Right-wing minor, like put Rennick at one or something else. Don’t put One Nation above Trumpets though. They don’t deserve it. But put something else at one. But just put your Right-wing minor parties in a line. There’s Trumpet of Patriots, there’s Libertarians, there’s One Nation. There’s Rennick People’s Party. There’s Family First. There’s Sustainable. There’s a bunch of them, right?

Blair Cottrell: There’s two different pieces of paper. There’s one piece of paper, …

Joel Davis: Yeah, but it’s true for both. This is true for both. Obviously in the House you might not have as many options, depends where you live. But group them up and put the Liberals last! That’s what I think. Put the Greens above Liberals, put everyone about the Liberals. That’s what I say we should do this election.

People, you can disagree all you like, but put the Right-wing minor parties first. That’s what matters. Uni-Party last, Liberals dead last. That’s what my ballot’s going to be. That’s what I think everyone’s ballot should be. That’s my opinion. It doesn’t really matter what order though, because that’s how preferences work. It doesn’t really matter too much.

If you put, say you’ve got like a One Nation and a Trumpet of Patriots in your electorate and then you’ve got like a Liberal-Labour and a Green and some other shit! Whichever order you put the One Nation or the Trumpet of Patriots candidate. Well, the preferences. If you put the other one second preference, if you put the one that’s less popular, the preferences will just go to the other one. So it doesn’t really like matter too much. Just put the Right-wing minor parties first. It’s not that complicated.

Blair Cottrell: But now you’re being a bad goy, Joel, someone in the chat just said, I thought you’d seen the light and you were all about stamping out anti-semitism. Now you’re flipped again. This guy, this guy’s just got no consistency!

Joel Davis: Yeah.

Blair Cottrell: That’s what I deal with. [chuckling]

Joel Davis: I did appreciate the sexy jewesses on Sky News that were fluttering their eyelids at me.

Blair Cottrell: And you know, oh, hey, they definitely all had to chime in and say something about you. I noticed that. And I noticed they almost seem to enjoy talking about it. Like they were fighting a smile. I think they like the drama, those women. It seems that way.

[1:31:43]

Joel Davis: Yeah. I think basically the attitude of them is interesting because I knew that the jews would freak out and I just wanted to make them freak out because I just wanted to show the Australian people again how ridiculous these people are and how powerful they are as a ridiculous people, as a ridiculously hysterical people. And that is a problem. And all I have to do is a very slight provocation and they just show themselves again.

And I think what I’ve noticed since the election was called and the campaign began, notice the Liberal Party shut up about jews. For months, the jews were all they could talk about.

And then the election got called and then they obviously focus grouped it and they realised that Australians don’t actually give a shit about jews or anti-semitism or Israel or any of this stuff. And they’re not going to win on that platform.

And so they zipped it up. They kept their trap shot and just. And stopped talking about it. I just wanted to make him talk about it again before the election so everyone could remember, like this is who we’re dealing with here. And they played right into my hands.

And I remember there was one article that was written about it by some jewish woman in Caulfield that was like:

“I feel so violated that a Nazi would come up to my letterbox and penetrate it with his disgusting anti-semitic flyer!”

And it was like, what? Penetrate?

Blair Cottrell: That’s interesting.

Joel Davis: Why are you describing it like this? Like, it’s so weird, man! It’s kind of like they’ve got.

Anyway, they’ve got some weird fetish going on is what I’m saying. What? The jewish women, they put on red dresses and go on Sky News with all their makeup and they’re like:

“He’s so mean and horrible and anti-semitic and he’s a bad guy!”

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I think they go to sleep, …

Joel Davis: Why are you talking about me? Don’t you realise that I just did that because I knew you would talk about me. And that was like the whole point, the whole point was to make you talk. Like I just made you do that. And you’re just like,

Blair Cottrell: Caroline.

Joel Davis: You’re like my little, like jewish, you know, puppet. A little, my little jewess puppet! I can just make you yap!

Blair Cottrell: Goodness me! But Caroline, I think especially involves a bit of conflict. She sees it as her duty to get on there and really have a go at you after you’ve popped your head up and done something again. But she specifically is the one that seems to be fighting back like an aggressive grin. I think she just enjoys the conflict. But hey, this is only my observation. I could be wrong. Maybe they’re traumatized, going to bed, scared for their lives because of the rising anti-semitism. Who am I to know for sure?

Joel Davis: Yeah, but like if you want anti-semitism to stop rising, you can do one very simple thing jews. Shut the fuck up! Then it will stop rising. It’s rising because you can’t keep your fucking mouth shut!

Blair Cottrell: But you’d think something crazy! Do you think, …

Joel Davis: I know you won’t keep your mouth shut, so I’m just going to keep making you talk. And the more that you talk, the more everyone, it gets sick of hearing you.

Blair Cottrell: Do you ever wonder if the jewish community, do you think the jewish community might try to inspire some threshold of anti-semitism in order to have the justification for more laws, more rights, more protections, more money? Do you think a bit of anti-semitism actually benefits the jewish community sometimes?

Joel Davis: No, I don’t think so. I think what benefits them the most actually is being in the shadows and is being out of the public eye.

Blair Cottrell: They’re not so much in the shadows. A lot of them especially, …

Joel Davis: They were in the shadows in Australia for decades. And they’ve only really come out into the public eye in a very prominent way in recent years.

And I think it’s a very bad move for them. Because they don’t have organic popularity in Australia. It isn’t like in America where you’ve got a bunch of idiot like Evangelical Christians that are ready to worship the state of Israel. Australians, no one cares about you. They either don’t like you or they don’t care! Those are the two positions that Australians have. Most of them don’t care.

So if you get in on the media and you get out there and you keep yapping about jewish problems all the time, all you’re going to do is make everyone sick of your shit! And you’re going to destroy all the sympathy that you have. Or if you just shut up and talk about Muslims and how Muslims are horrible and pretend like you’re one of us, pretend you’re a fellow White, that was a good strategy that was working for you. And they can’t maintain it. They can’t hold it.

Blair Cottrell: I suppose that’s one way Australian apathy can work against the interests of hostile groups. Because Jacob was saying that Australians tend to be a bit apathetic when it comes to politics, but it is hard to get Australians to really care about anything. It’s hard to get Australians to care about jewish suffering. It’s hard to get Australians to care about Holocaust stories. Most Australians, actually, …

Joel Davis: One thing they do care about though is the Anzacs. And they’re sick of being, …

Blair Cottrell: Because it’s tradition. They care about traditions.

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Joel Davis: Not just tradition though. It’s the blood spilled for our people. It is the most important day of the year as an Australian is Anzac Day. There’s no greater expression of what it means to be an Australian than the fact that men were willing to go and die for us to have this country. That is the be all and the end all of what it means to be an Australian is those sacrifices that were made in the spirit of those sacrifices.

And when that is kind of aggrieved and aggressed against by a Leftist Aboriginal humiliation ritual, that’s something that got everyone pissed off and that’s why it has such a strong reaction. And you saw the system completely got shown with its pants down. It thought that it could just shove that in everyone’s face and get away with it. And they thought they could just dismiss opposition to it as:

“Oh well, it’s just a bunch of Nazis behaving outrageously!”

No, the people don’t care. They still sided with us. So people do care about some things, not many things, but some things. But one thing they don’t give a about is Israel.

So the Palestine people are doing a great job of pissing everyone off as well because no one cares about Palestine either. So the more that they yap about Palestine, the more everyone hates Palestine. That’s what they don’t realise. But the same is true for Israel. Both sides piss everyone off the more they talk. The smartest strategy for either of them would be to shut up! But neither of them are capable of doing so because on the one side you have Leftists and on the other side you have jews. And these are the two most hysterical, ridiculous demographics of people in all of the world.

So all you get is feminine screeching and yapping and bitching and moaning and our entire society is ruled by. It’s like a bitchocracy. And the common sense patriot said:

“They’re the forgotten men and women, the average Aussie battler who realises that it’s all bullshit and they’re sick and tired of the bitching!”

And we want a divorce. Get the fuck out of our house, woman. Like you haven’t made me a steak or sucked my dick in fucking years. Why are you even here anymore? Why am I paying for your jewelry? You know, why am I buying you expensive perfumes? Why are we constantly having to buy brand new couches that cost like 10 grand because you don’t like the colour of the old ones? I’m sick of your shit! I’m going to go and buy my midlife crisis Ferrari and drive the fuck out of here and go and get a new girlfriend who’s 15 years younger. That’s how Australians feel. So.

Blair Cottrell: Curious analogy. Curious.

Anyway, yeah, someone was asking in the chat how my eyes going. You might notice it’s still a little bit screwed up! I actually had a perceptible cellulitis, which was a nasty infection of the skin around the eyelid and it threatened my vision actually, so I had to take some antibiotics. I’m done with that now. It’s mostly healed, but because it was so damaging to the skin cells, it’s going to take a couple of months to actually regenerate completely.

So the infection’s gone, but yeah, I’m looking a little worse for wear there, but it’s pretty much gone. But, yeah, thanks for asking.

How have you been feeling lately, Mr. Davis? There’s been a few sicknesses going around. Have you managed to dodge those?

Joel Davis: I felt on the edge of sickness for the last week or two, but my immune system is holding in and I’m just continuing to keep taking forward step after forward step because I’m not going to allow myself to get sick right now. I’m on a little bit of a war path trying to troll this election. And then maybe once the election is over, I’m gonna take a week, chill out, maybe read some books, not go online too much.

But yeah, I don’t get sick that often. I’m feeling pretty good. But what else is there to talk about?

Blair Cottrell: Well, it’s been a really interesting last week or two in Australian politics and everything seems to be building up. Not building up, but heating up as a result of the election. Did you see the guy on the bike? The guy, the cyclist who was like randomly attacking a Trumpet of Patriots leafletter. I don’t know what that guy’s deal was, but after I saw that footage, this guy was like viciously attacking this old guy who was just handing out flyers, I think because someone called him a retard and he took offence to that because he does actually have a mental disability. He didn’t really seem to though. He seemed to be able to hold himself pretty well.

And I thought to myself after seeing that, is the Australian population, or a portion of the population so medicated that political violence doesn’t even make sense anymore? Like you’ll insult someone personally and they’ll just attack you because “that’s racist!” He was like screaming racist and shit as well. Yeah, I don’t really know what to make of the whole situation.

All I can say is that I’m happy that things are heating up. I’m happy that Australian politics is becoming somewhat more interesting largely because the activity of guys like yourself. And you know, election time used to be boring. Election time was boring in the past. It’s not as boring anymore. I’m glad for that.

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Joel Davis: Yeah, true. And it’ll be more interesting next time when you can vote Nazi and we’re going to give you some actually some real interesting politics. This is just a little appetizer what can come next time when we get this show on the road.

But yeah, I saw that clip of and what it made me think is Trumpet of Patriots need to “tribe and train”. You know, that was weak as piss! The guy offered no defense. He just got like rocked with like two leg kicks and then this overhand right and he just kind of cowered. He needs to shape up and throw down. You know, he’s a common sense patriot representing Clive Palmer. Imagine if he just like blocked it and just like threw a right hand down the pipe and just knocked that libtard out. It would have been epic! They probably would have got a few votes from that.

So you know, come and step to the guys handing out flyers for our party and see what happens. You’re not going to be cowering like little. I tell you that they’re going to give you a nice counter right to the jaw.

But yeah, you know what I would say is this, Australian politics is still fundamentally boring.

Blair Cottrell: Officially.

Joel Davis: Yeah, it does. It does seem like even though this election doesn’t really matter that much, it does seem like positive trends. I think the non-mainstream party vote is going to be bigger than ever before. It’s going to be bigger than what the pollsters are saying. The Right-wing minor party vote is going to be bigger than ever before. And it’s all very encouraging signs. Things are polarizing. And that’s what we need to get out of this red team, blue team dichotomy and into a real political dynamic where it isn’t just slight variations on the same policy, but where it’s actually a genuine ideological debate between two genuinely opposing positions.

So we can have a real discussion about who are we as a country and what direction do we want to go in. Are we a multiracial sludge that hates ourselves and wants to basically abolish our own history? Or are we proud White Australians that want to actually continue having a country? And that’s the defining and animating question in politics in our time. And everything else is just kind of secondary to that.

And that’s the other thing as well. Like these Trumpet of Patriots type people, they can’t quite own it. You know, they’re basically playing to our type of thinking, but they can’t own it. So what was precipitated was that guy was like:

“You guys are racist!”

And he’s like:

“Well, you’re a retard!”

And then he had this whole conniption of like:

“You’re racist. This country’s multicultural!”

And the guy had no real counter assertion like:

“No, this is a White country.”

Or anything like that. He couldn’t say that it’s like:

“No, no, we’re not racist. You know, we just want an 80% cut in immigration because there’s a housing crisis!”

Or some bullshit! So there’s a there’s still a fear in the right to really be what we truly are, which is us! We don’t have that fear.

And so we’ll continue to lead the way.

Blair Cottrell: We’ve got a whole bunch of Superchats that we can start working on if you feel to.

Joel Davis: Yeah, let’s just go through those. Sector 88 said:

“Giving money to racists and Nazis makes the world a better place.”

Yeah, well, you’re right. Pay up mother fuckers!:

“Any opinion on the Brethren campaigning for the Liberals?”

No opinion. I don’t really care. And I know for sure that Blair has no opinion and doesn’t care either. Or do you?

Blair Cottrell: Brethren campaigning for the Liberals? What do you mean, Brethren? Is anyone campaigning for the Liberals?

Joel Davis: They’re a relatively strange sect of Christianity. The Brethren Church.

Blair Cottrell: Okay, I thought you meant Brethren as in, like allies of ours or something. I don’t know. They’re probably being paid to do it. Wouldn’t that be the case? Why else would they do it?

Joel Davis: There was some controversy that they were kind of flexing and they were imposing themselves and trying to take over certain branches within the Liberal Party. I don’t know too much about the ins and outs of it.

Blair Cottrell: Maybe the Liberal Party could serve as the basis. What’s left of the Liberal Party could serve as the basis for a radical Reformation of the Christian faith. Wouldn’t that be interesting?

Joel Davis: Well, I doubt it. The party is controlled by homosexuals and jews, Freemasons. And it’s going to stay that way. Yeah, like, they talk about this like:

“Oh, the Brethren are infiltrating and taking over the Liberal Party!”

Like, as if it hasn’t already been infiltrated and taken over by other religious groups. When jews do it, when Freemasons do it, its fine! But when some other random group does it, then all of a sudden:

“They’re weird cults and they’re trying to take over!”

And there’s a huge double standard.

Blair Cottrell: Basically, everyone., …

Joel Davis: Everyone’s trying to take over everything. That’s reality.

Blair Cottrell: Every human group coming together for any purpose is basically a cult. We derive the word culture from cult. A cult basically means a collective of people trying to achieve something together. Right. We have like, negative connotations with the word, associated with the word cult, obviously. But I like to think of it as basically just the grouping of people with common interests.

Spartan Sardica just sent a single dollar. Must be tough times wherever Spartan Sardica is living. And he says:

“This planet deserves a singular emperor with absolute authority. And that shall be me. All those that stand against is this!”

Should I read this out for $1? I don’t think I should. Yeah.

Joel Davis: Anyway, I mean, if you’re going to be running the planet, surely you got more than a dollar. You can only afford a dollar a Superchat you can’t even get a whole Superchat read out. That’s how weak your Superchats are. You think you can run the planet? I don’t know.

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Blair Cottrell: I thought it was like a decent Superchat. Then as I got halfway through, I realised that, …

Anyway, the next one’s from Comfy friend. Friend of the show and someone who is generally appreciated by the community for various reasons, sends in through. 20 bucks. Thanks, mate. He says:

“Blair’s eyes looking better, but the shades were a vibe, not gonna lie.”

I don’t know about wearing glasses inside. It seems a little bit pretentious to me, so I’m not going to do it again. But yeah, thanks, bro. Appreciate.

Joel Davis: Sunglasses seem to infect your personality. Like you had this, like. I don’t give a aura through the whole stream.

Blair Cottrell: I think it’s because you couldn’t see my eyes.

Joel Davis: Pretty cool. But I feel like for the Anzac Day episode, it was almost like wrong. It’s like we’re supposed to give a fuck about this like, usually you can be all detached and stuff, but yeah, because your eye obviously. But it wasn’t just about the eye though. The sunglasses, they were like a spiritual exoskeleton that like transformed your self image or something.

Blair Cottrell: Is that how you feel when you wear the Joel Davis signature wraparounds?

Joel Davis: No, not really. Because they’re a different style of sunglasses. They got a different aura about them. Aura. It’s real. M. Cottrell said:

“Team Blair always!”

I don’t know. Is that? Do you know who that is?

Blair Cottrell: That could be a family member or it could just be someone with a similar name. But thanks.

Joel Davis: They use a little black emoji doing this. What? Use the White emoji. Like, what are you doing?

Blair Cottrell: Maybe they’re just really tanned. Maybe they’re really tanned.

Joel Davis: Whatever it’s fucking up Spartan SA Delka said, this guy’s sending all these $1 Superchats:

“If we lived in a democracy, there would be no mass migration because most are against it. I would be against it if they had all the information about it. Jew clown world has encouraged crime.”

Well, this guy’s really sending down the red pills. He’s blowing our minds right now. I never thought of it that way before. Lucky Kavanaugh said:

“Jacob Hersant is an Aussie hero. White power!”

Yeah, I think we can all agree on that. We love Jacob.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Jacob’s, …

Joel Davis: On the stream, Jacob is so like proper or on his videos.

Blair Cottrell: He’s a very humble, personable, funny guy! He’s very funny in real life.

And so I was working on loosening him up a little bit. But we’ll get there in the end. I’m sure we’ll get him back on and we’ll get a little bit more of the authentic Jacob personality out there. I’m confident that you guys will like it.

Joel Davis: I think he does it on purpose. Like he has obviously that personality. He chooses to because he’s trying to be professional. Jacob’s very professional. That’s one thing that he brings. I mean, obviously he invented the NSN, but one thing that he brings to it is a spirit of professional professionalism. He’s always pushing for high standards in various ways, including aesthetically. And that’s important because you have to carry yourselves well in order to be taken seriously and to convey a very particular aesthetic. You have to be very intentional. So Jacob is a very professional person in the way that he conducts himself as an activist. And so obviously that’s why he’s doing that.

But yeah, the Jacob off camera is always taking the piss and bantering constantly and so on. I think the people would probably like that on stream. So we got to work on bringing some of that out, I think.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Lucky Kavanaugh sent through. $10. Thanks very much, Lucky. And asks:

“What do you think of Shilo or Shiloh Hendricks?”

Is Shiloh Hendrick the girl that raised all that money recently?

Joel Davis: Yeah, she raised like a quarter of a million dollars because she called the nigger, a nigger, or something.

Blair Cottrell: Honestly, man, just giving some random woman money for no reason, especially that much. Well, it’s not for no reason, but you know what I mean. It’s not really for any constructive long term purpose that’s going to benefit the entire community, isn’t it? It’s all just going in one woman’s pocket. It doesn’t sit well with me. It just doesn’t sit well with me. But people can do whatever they want, right? People can do what they want.

Joel Davis: Yeah, it is weird! It is kind of like a weird phenomenon. I don’t really know enough about the particulars, but like, why are people dumping more money? Like, surely she’s got enough cash now.

Blair Cottrell: It’s one of those. It began as like this community endeavour to demonstrate that we can support each other in a really effective, meaningful way. I don’t know something like that, but it just., …

Joel Davis: I think I know why, though. You know how a few, you know how like a month ago there was that black guy in America and he stabbed that White football player and everyone was horrified! And then the dad cucked out and was like:

“I forgive the nigger. He didn’t mean it.”

But he stabbed his, …

Blair Cottrell: I did see that, actually. Yeah, I did see that?

Joel Davis: Yeah, it was a massive story. Then the black community all took this guy’s side. Even though he stabbed some dude for asking him to like move over or so I guess some literally like simple and banal request, he stabbed this guy to death.

And then the black community took his side and they raised all this money. Like black started like giving all this money to the GiveSendGo for his family.

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Blair Cottrell: So this is like:

“We can do it too sort of thing. Fuck you!”

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! It’s like:

“Next time blacks get pissed off as at a White person, we’re just going to give them shitloads of money to show you!”

So it is a good expression of tribalism I think for American Whites.

But it’s like what they have is like a monkey stabbing an innocent young, good looking young White football player who had his whole life ahead of him in the heart and killing him forever. And all she did was call someone, I think a nigger was stealing from her, like stole some shit out of her baby’s pram. And she’s like called him a nigger or something. I can’t remember the exact details. Like totally justifiable actions!

So it’s like:

“I want a White person to like murder a nigger in cold blood!”

And then we’re like:

“Yeah, we’re taking his side, we’re taking his side! Fuck that nigger! Everyone give him a million dollars!”

That’s when we’re on the same level, when White people are willing to do that.

And that’s what I want. I think we need to take our own, because blacks take their own side no matter what the circumstances are. We need to start defending White killers. Next time there’s a White mass shooter in America who takes out a bunch of blacks or something.

Blair Cottrell: Let’s be careful. Like we need to stay within the realm of, …

Joel Davis: I’m not endorsing that kind of activity.

Blair Cottrell: There we go. There we go.

Joel Davis: I don’t endorse it, that we should. Spartan Sardalka, another one of his shitty $1 yap Superchats says:

“As emperor of Earth, I will open a mini gas station in every abo area of Australia. First micro dose of gas will be free., …”

Are you Indian? I don’t think a White person could create slop like that.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, it’s weird! It’s a little bit strange.

Joel Davis: A little bit of autism is good. It’s like sugar. A little bit is good, I guess sugar’s out. People like a lot of sugar. What’s something where a little bit is good but a lot is horrible?

Blair Cottrell: Meth? I don’t know. [chuckling] Maybe not meth.

Joel Davis: Actually, a little bit is good, but if you have too much, it’s very, very bad! It’s very, very bad!

Blair Cottrell: Home of the brave sent you $5. And he says:

“Did you see the White mum in the US?”

Oh, it’s the same. It’s actually the same question. Yeah, we just spoke about that:

“What a huge W when we disarm their cancel culture approach to race. Hail NSN!”

Yeah, bro. Well, thanks for the money and thanks for the support. Leeham sends through $5 and says:

“I like to use the word cult to insult groups. Can you please give me a better term to use?”

What do you reckon, Joel? Should I really ask Joel this question? Should I ask Joel for terms to insult people? Does anyone really want to? He’s probably got a few.

Joel Davis: I mean, you could still use it as an insult. There’s nothing wrong with that. Why not?

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, generally agreed.

Joel Davis: Yeah. In that context, Anthony Scalise said:

“Much love and support, lads. Make sure you all support White Australia.”

Anthony Scalise is a great Twitter account. I call him the Boomer Whisperer. He kind of takes the message and then translates it into Boomer retweets in a very effective way. Yeah, no, he’s great, Great Twitter account. I love, love his energy. He’s always on the front foot. Absolutely sending it. And, yeah, he’s always been very supportive of us since I’ve known him and seen him around online. And, yeah, he’s also a big supporter in the future political party project.

And as you can see down the bottom, White Australia.org I’m going to start shilling this website relentlessly. Join the movement. Whether you want to join our movement in the sense of getting involved directly in the community, you can join there. But also you can get involved in a more basic sense, if you just want to be a supporter, a potential member of a future political party, you want to be invited to events that we’re going to host in upcoming time period, we’re building up an address book. Sign up for the political party and a vetting list and so on so that we can help build the infrastructure, the social infrastructure that can be the foundation of that party.

So if you want to get involved, White Australia.org and yeah, everything’s on the site. It’s a pretty basic site for now, it’s a bit of a placeholder site. We are building a much better one. We have not launched the political party yet. When we launch it, we’re going to launch it in a very elaborate form with a complete esthetic.

And we’re going to go there direct to do all the actual political party stuff. At the moment, we’re just building up the foundation to launch. We’re not in a rush. The election is tomorrow. Obviously, we’re not going to be competing in that. We chose not to rush it for this election. There isn’t another election federally for three years. And the next major election that’s relevant, I think, is the Victorian state election at the end of next year.

So there’s no rush to try and get this political party put together in two weeks. So we are taking our time because we have time before it’s relevant.

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Blair Cottrell: The next one is. We’ve posted one twice here. We can skip over the next one Joel. The next one’s Home of the Brave sends another $5. Thanks, mate. He says:

“Thank you, guys for showing the world the proper way to do flyers and do activism in general. Humor goes a long way and having a strategy for forcing the backlash. We desire outrage ju-jitsu!”

Yeah, well, that’s what we were talking about earlier, right? Like, there’s power in humour. It’s an effective weapon, and we need more of it. We need more of it in political activism, especially, you know, look, our situation is serious, it’s dire. We’re talking about the survival of our ethnic group into the future. But there’s no reason why we can’t enjoy the struggle.

There’s no reason why we can’t fight with a smile on our faces. Right. I think that might even be borrowing a quote from the Winston Churchill, the old dog. But I tend to. I like that one. I like the idea of going into a fight with a grin on your face. Yeah, sorry.

Joel Davis: I just want to say something about that as well.

Yeah. It is important that we. The activism is fun and it’s engaging, has to be entertaining and provocative. And that also, if we just had spurgey activism where we were just going through the tenets of National Socialism autistically all the time, that wouldn’t resonate with the people. We have to show our humanity and we have to show our criticism and relevance and interaction with the conventional political system. We have to bring them into a dance and create this kind of dramatic performance that show people:

“Hey, wait a second, those, I thought Nazis were supposed to be the bad guys or the ones that everyone hates. Like why are they the ones that are the funniest? Why are they the ones that are making all the right points? And why is the system of people who I actually hate, who are hysterical and who are hypocritical and etc. Why do they hate these guys so much?”

Like it creates that kind of provocative experience for someone to then start thinking differently about politics than if you just simply stated the ideas in a very kind of matter of fact, logical, autistic way. They just probably wouldn’t listen or really digest it. So I would say activism is a genre of performance art.

Blair Cottrell: That’s a good way to put it, actually. Well said. Yeah, Brilliance sends through ten bucks says:

“Love the show. Could I get your opinion on New Zealand?”

What’s your opinion on New Zealand, Joel? Do you have one?

Joel Davis: I mean, I’ve been to New Zealand, it’s a beautiful country. It’s like one of the Greenest places ever! I think the north island of New Zealand is some of the most fertile land on the planet.

One thing I think about White people from New Zealand are very pleasant and nice, but I would say that there’s something an extra level of cucked about people from New Zealand about New Zealand relative to Australia because they created a treaty with the Maori rather than just conquering and dominating, they kind of have this acquiescence. Now of course, we’ve got this Welcome to Country Aboriginal humiliation ritual stuff here now as well. But the distinction is that it’s kind of being imposed upon us late and in a way that the majority of people are kind of rejecting and resistant to.

Whereas in New Zealand, you know, people take a lot of pride, not just Leftists, but everyone takes a lot of pride in the whole Maori friendship thing. And it kind of, it’s kind of deracinating.

I feel like there’s a bit of a disconnection from the kind of White Identity of New Zealand. It’s almost like the Maori identity is primary and the White Identity is secondary.

Whereas in Australia when people think of Australians, they think of White Australians and White Australian culture and Aboriginals are this kind of like weird thing that’s also going on. But it doesn’t occupy a position of centrality in our society, no matter how much the Left try to make it. It really doesn’t.

And I think that there’s a spiritual problem, therefore, with New Zealand that I can see, I don’t know the exact solution to. I think when we take power, we’re probably going to have to subvert New Zealand for its own sake and like, conquer it. And I mean, not conquer it like it implies like a military invasion, but we’re going to have to annex it and like, psyop it into shape if we can ever win.

The salvation of New Zealand will probably be Australia rather than itself. But New Zealand, basically, it is a separate country from Australia, but it’s kind of almost not. Like New Zealand are kind of like a brother country. We have a shared history. We fought together in so many wars. Obviously Anzac Day we have in common, for example. And so many people from New Zealand live in Australia. I think there’s almost, 2 million people from New Zealand that live in Australia or 3 million or something, and there’s only like 5 million people in New Zealand and only about 55% of them are White. So there’s probably almost as many White New Zealanders in Australia as there is in New Zealand at this point.

So there’s free movement between the two countries. So any Kiwi can just move here basically and join Australia if they want to.

So I think we should kind of see New Zealand as our little brother kind of thing. We should see New Zealand as basically kind of an extension of Australia and then under an ideal future, it would probably be integrated into some kind of Australasian empire under our rule.

So I have a warm feelings towards people from New Zealand because I see them as the closest people to Australians that exist. But also, I don’t like this spiritual cuckoldry that I see.

And Australia isn’t in a perfect position, but, like, almost in the history of New Zealand, like, Australia’s history is very based. Like, Australia’s history is exceptionally racist and like staunch New Zealand, incredible military history. Like, you look at New Zealand at the Olympics. New Zealand will come top 10 at the Olympics and they’ve got no one there. Like, they obviously have incredible stock. New Zealand always do incredible at sports. They do incredible at extreme sports and things like that. They’ve got an incredible population, really good genetics. But because, yeah, because they didn’t crush the Maori, they should have crushed them! They should have absolutely just smashed them and taken that country fully rather than cutting a treaty. And I think that they kind of carry that legacy in a negative way spiritually.

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Blair Cottrell: Do you think they did that because they developed a respect for the fighting potential of the Maori? Because I heard a couple of reports from some early settlers that they were pretty vicious in warfare. And it’s kind of like it’s historically when the British Empire would encounter like considerable warriors or warriors that were considerably skilled or dangerous, they would tend to try to recruit them or do some sort of deal with them rather than just eradicate them.

Joel Davis: Part of it though, I think was also the French were there and they were trying to cut a deal before the French did.

But the thing is, like we had guns, they didn’t. Like we were a White modern population and the Maori were a primitive people. Like we could go in there and crush him if we wanted to. They took the easy way out. And I think some of that easy way out energy is there. I’m just going to be honest. And so I have a bit of contempt for that. I think that needs to be corrected in some way.

But obviously the Maori are far more impressive people than Aboriginals. They’re very, they are a strong people. Look at like how good they are at rugby and things like that. They’re obviously like a warrior race. So it wouldn’t have been simple beating them.

But at the end of the day you got to earn it. Like this kind of like let’s share a country between two races thing is just AIDS. Like if you’re not going to take it, go back to England!

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. We might move on from the subject of New Zealand. I know some good people there. I’ve got some good friends there. I’m in some chats with some boys from New Zealand. I’ve met people from New Zealand and they’re Good Fellas. I’d like to go there actually to see the country and visit my friends.

Joel Davis: Beautiful. You got to go there. Absolutely!

Blair Cottrell: I’d like to get the opportunity. Maybe I will in the next couple of years.

Joel Davis: The most picturesque place I’ve ever been I would say. Like the nature.

Blair Cottrell: They filmed a lot of Lord of the Rings there, didn’t they? Lord of the Rings was shot in New Zealand. And that was good country to see on the big screen. But the home of the brave again with another $5. He’s firing away tonight. Says:

“It shows that there is considerable disagreement to the racism, bad mainstream belief. It’s not for her, it’s for mainstreaming racism at large. It shows it’s acceptable to be racist in 2025.”

Well, it’s acceptable for everyone except White people to be racist, but I know what you mean, that it’s becoming more acceptable. I wouldn’t say acceptable, but I think there’s less sensitivity surrounding White people being racist than there was probably 10 years ago, but everybody else is still that way, …

Joel Davis: We’re chipping away at it and it’s. And there’s a point at which you chip it away so much that the dam bursts and we’re getting close. That’s how it feels in Australia in particular.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, that’s the idea. And biggest Superchat I think for tonight was from Daniel fox sends through 50 and says:

“Great work lads!”

Well, thanks very much mate for the support and thanks for watching. Really appreciate it. We kind of answered that question to some degree. The next one is from Zach who sends through $1 and asks opinion on the Maori:

“Do you think they’re as bad as Aboriginals?”

You touched on that briefly already, Joel. I don’t know if you want to unpack that whole debacle.

Joel Davis: Well, what do you mean by bad? Like obviously the Maori aren’t anywhere near as bad in terms of their like intelligence and incompetence. Like they’re a lot more functional of a people than the Aboriginals who, it’s debatable, are Aboriginals, even human they’re like borderline, you know.

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Blair Cottrell: So because I’ve personally, because I’ve always been into like heavy weightlifting, I’ve met a few Maoris, always got along with them pretty well. There’s a certain respect they have for strength. When they see strength in another man, there’s respect there, they respect it. And they’re wise too, especially when they get a bit older, they become quite measured, wise people. Relatively passive too, so long as you don’t do anything to really upset them. I’ve never really had much of a problem with them. And so yeah, there’s a certain respect I have.

I actually knew a guy, he was in the neighbouring cell when I was in Port Philip prison when I was younger. He was one of the youngest members in the world of Hell’s Angels at the time, one of the youngest patched in members. And we used to talk about the colonisation of Australia and New Zealand and he took the pro-White perspective even though he was like a full blood Maori. He said:

“I’m glad we got colonised by the British because before the British got there, we were eating each other and living in huts and shit! So the kind of quality of life we enjoy now is like far greater than that. So I’m glad for it!”

And that seemed to be a real common sense standpoint for someone to take. Like even though they’re not British, they can still appreciate the fruits of colonisation. And it was so rare for to encounter that perspective in someone who wasn’t White. It’s no wonder that it took a criminal mind to actually think outside the box and realise, or develop that perspective. Right.

So yeah, look, I’m sure there’s people, …

Joel Davis: They’ll say that in Australia but in New Zealand they love their victimhood.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I’ve heard stories, I’ve heard stories personally in Australia I haven’t really had much issue with Maoris but I know that people have. So it’s just my personal experience, you know.

Joel Davis: Yeah, I mean but obviously they’re very violent. They have very high rates of rape and things like that. I mean we shouldn’t live in a society with Maoris. They need to be removed from all White communities.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, it would definitely be safer not to live with them. Can’t argue with that.

Joel Davis: I don’t find them as disagreeable to deal with as most other races to like talk to or whatever. I grew up in Sydney, I played rugby with Maori’s growing up and things like that. So I’ve met them and dealt with them and I never really had too many issues with them. They are kind of like more chill, slightly more intelligent versions of Africans.

Blair Cottrell: When they’re young they can be like really violent. We had run ins with them around Frankston where I grew up when we were younger. This is like 16, 17 years old. At that age they’re really rowdy! And you’ve got to put up a fight because they’ll stomp you if you don’t.

But we’ve got a viewer, Sal from New Zealand who’s a regular viewer of the show I think and she’s had different experiences with Maori’s, says that:

“Child abuse and domestic violence is a problem in their communities.”

Yeah, but yeah look there’s good and bad in every race. Right. I suppose we’ll just leave it at that. [chuckling]

Joel Davis: Well, mostly bad, mostly bad. And we should have crushed them. But anyway the issues in New Zealand today are not like less so about that it’s more to do with all the Asians and Indians and stuff pouring in like it is here.

But yeah, the Maori question is one that if as Australians we get to the point where we’re addressing the Maori question, it means we have solved a lot of other questions. You know, the jeet question, the chink question, the jew question, the abo question, etc, so if we can get up to that question, I’ll be sleeping a lot easier. But at this point, it’s like so many rungs down all the other questions that we’re going to have to answer first.

But I think that’s basically a way to end the show. Someone called Nate Higgers on Odysee said:

“How do I donate money? Lol. I’m retarded!”

I don’t think Odysee allows you to do Superchats anymore. They lost their payment processor. So you can only do it either on Rumble or on Entropy. Entropy. Stream dot live dot Joel Davis. Those are the only two ways.

Blair Cottrell: If you guys are going to do that, if you’re going to sit up any later, do it with Joel. Because I’ve got to get out of this LED light. It’s starting to hurt my eyes.

Joel Davis: No, no, we’re ending the stream there. I’m just responding. Ending the stream there. You can have a crack maybe next week or something if you want to, but I’m tired. I’ve had a very busy week in ways that I can’t even get into. There’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we can’t even talk about that you don’t even know. It is a weird life being a Nazi dissident. But I love it! I’m enjoying it. I’m absolutely loving life. I hope you’re all loving life too. It is a gift. Every breath is a gift. God is great and let’s end it there. What a nice sentiment to end it on, if I could say so myself.

And thanks to the jews for falling for the trap again. You guys never fail, never fail to fall into my traps. So appreciate it. It was fun.

That’s one thing. When we do some of the other activism, I get different kind of emotions. Like, I get more of a spirit of like, anger or passion or like whatever worry, concern, things like that at the plight of our people. With the jews, I don’t know. That’s the kind of the funniest aspect I feel like we were just like pissing ourselves laughing after we left the other day. Like, that was just really funny in real life. Like, even the process, like when the boys put on the rabbi costumes or whatever, and we were just like pissing ourselves laughing, like:

“Okay, we gotta, like, act normal. We’re gonna be on camera!”

It was pretty fun.

Blair Cottrell: Thanks for watching, guys. It’s been a good stream. I hope everyone enjoyed it. Goes hard when we do a couple of different guests and stuff. We should maybe look at doing that a bit more often. Keeps everything fresh and interesting. But Joel did a great job as always. Jacob was great! Keep the faith, everyone, and we’ll see you next week.

Joel Davis: White power!

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katana17
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[Joel Davis – Nazi Trolling is Still the Only Interesting Thing in Australian Politics – May 2, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/05/04/joel-davis-nazi-trolling-is-still-the-only-interesting-thing-in-australian-politics-may-2-2025-transcript/ [Cover Image] [In this livestream episode Aussie nationalist activists Blair Cottrell Jacob Hersant and Joel Davis discuss recent activism and the Welcome to Country booing incident causing much debate in Australia. Some key points: Jacob Hersant joins as guest host Discusses booing Welcome to Country at Anzac Day ceremony “I was booing only the Welcome to Country and mentions of diversity”-Jacob Explains Welcome to Country tradition in Australia Describes reaction of crowd to booing “Most people actually supported what we did, but the people there were…nervous”-Jacob Discusses motivations for activism Mentions legal issues from previous activism “I suspect I’ll be charged for that again”-Jacob on potential charges Talks about public response to booing incident Discusses NRL dropping Welcome to Country after incident Mentions Tucker Carlson’s comments on Welcome to Country “Welcome to country statement is basically psychological preparation for having your country taken from you”-paraphrasing Tucker Carlson Jacob discusses White Australia movement “We want the people on this continent to identify primarily with their race as White Australians”-Jacob Joel Davis joins as host [56:42] 1/2
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katana17
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Discusses recent satirical activism at polling booth “I just wanted to make him talk about it again before the election”-Joel on provoking jewish response Talks about election campaign and far-Right stunts Discusses voting recommendations for upcoming election “Put the Right-wing minor parties first. That’s what matters.”-Joel Talks about Clive Palmer’s Trumpet of Patriots party Discusses recent incident of cyclist attacking leafletter “Australian politics is still fundamentally boring”-Joel Discusses Superchats and donations from viewers Talks about Brethren campaigning for Liberal Party Discusses Shiloh Hendricks fundraising controversy “Why are people dumping more money? Like, surely she’s got enough cash now.”-Joel Talks about racial tribalism in fundraising Discusses New Zealand and Maori relations “I think when we take power, we’re probably going to have to subvert New Zealand for its own sake”-Joel Compares Maori to Aboriginal Australians “Obviously they’re very violent. They have very high rates of rape and things like that.”-Joel on Maoris Discusses personal experiences with Maori people Talks about child abuse issues in Maori communities “There’s good and bad in every race. Right.”-Blair Discusses other racial issues in New Zealand Final thoughts on recent activism “We were just like pissing ourselves laughing after we left the other day”-Joel Closing remarks and sign off – KATANA] [TRANSCRIPT – Words: 23,080 – Duration: 136 mins]
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Australiaboy
5 days ago
Great show guys thanks. If Blair is worried about LED lights and his eyes he should invest in some blue light blocking glasses they cut out all the bad blue light from screens also good for driving at night with all the weaponised headlights.
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RamonYolanda
5 days ago
Too many white Australian men” taking Asian women as wives and destroying our heritage
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KINGMAGNUSMUISC
5 days ago
“Putrid little Goy”
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masklophobix
5 days ago
Karmelo donations were a thank you for killing a white kid. Shiloh donations are a F you to blacks.
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ProvingNihil
6 days ago
That father who defended that n!gger is a pussay.
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masklophobix
6 days ago
WTC overtly implies that the people being welcomes do not belong there.
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leibekohne
1 week ago
Is not ANZAC WW1 and WW2 kind of the same coin Where Australians had been duped into those useless wars fighting for jewsh financial and territorial interest, manipulating UK monarchy to fight our white German brothers who even in those cases did not stared those wars.? Where not then Australian politician puppets and traitors to civilized white Australian stock? Therefore celebrating ANZAC is ridiculous, it would make sense only when, those jewish scum responsible , would have being punished first for mercilessly using Australians Canadians as depopulating canon-fatter.
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Sinagoglies
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It is very odd that they promote warmongering politicians of the past and don’t go near the unjust reasons (Zionist bankster wars) behind both world wars, and downplay the Soviet satellite state called Israel who the ANZACS actually died for – nothing to do with freedom. AUSTRALIA WAS BETRAYED by Billy Hughes and England , yet Joel glorifies them. Australia had the largest death toll in WW1 comparative to population. You guys are bloody ignorant. General Patton was relieved of command of the 3rd Army by Eisenhower just after the end of the war for stating publicly that America had been fighting the wrong enemy – Germany instead of Russia and was then murdered! Anti (Zionist /bankster) War song: The Pogues – The Band Played Waltzing Matilda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TThjY_qlEfg The ANZAC Fought for Israel NOT For Your Freedom https://www.bitchute.com/video/Mee2fiKxJUOY CHABAD, Soviet Israel☭Russia (& British-Israel high treason). The Perestroika Deception! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQmsz3F-y1c The Pogues – The Band Played Waltzing Matilda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TThjY_qlEfg The ANZAC Fought for Israel NOT For Your Freedom https://www.bitchute.com/video/Mee2fiKxJUOY CHABAD, Soviet Israel☭Russia (& British-Israel high treason). The Perestroika Deception! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQmsz3F-y1c The Secret Masonic Victory of WW2 Documentary by Dennis Wise https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZpO5RMr0WXaN/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO1wKDH3BQA&feature=youtu.be Most of the leaders of the Allies were and still are freemasons including Weary Dunlop. I know of an ANZAC unsung hero who wrote a book WW2 criticising the military leaders of The Allies, but could not get it published as was far too controversial. Germany against Freemasonry https://historycollection.com/secret-society-peril-facts-freemasons-ww2/2/ EUROPA: The Last Battle – Part one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6QNO4Z_tuQ
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Love what you fellas are doing with one of the greatest White countries ever! This is the beginning of a multigenerational war, which ends in total White victory over the whole of the world.
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Whatsthefrequencyken
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NZ and Australia were both supermajority White in 1945. There was no need to “go harder”. There was a need to preclude the spread of communism. Anti-racist liberal democracy with central banking was never designed to stop that spread.
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If General Patton wasn’t assassinated he probably would have become president instead of Eisenhower and he would have shut down the international communist movement.
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White people are looking for someone to rally around. Shiloh Hendrix has become that lucky person. LFG!
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hueyvam123
1 week ago
The nogs & juice on juicetube stinking about her raising money is just too much to tolerate given how they were all cheering the nog who killed Austin Metcalf raising money for murdering a White.
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Eureka1854
1 week ago
Shiloh Hendrix just went nuclear, and for good reason.
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TRUTH1488
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Heil Shiloh Hendrix Heil the White Race
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whitehonkymonkey
1 week ago
like i said in the chat, target footy and cricket crowds with pamphlets on the lies of the 1st and 2nd world wars and the truth about hitler etc.
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katana17
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[Joel Davis – What Did the Anzacs Fight For? – Apr 24, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/04/25/joel-davis-what-did-the-anzacs-fight-for-apr-24-2025-transcript/ [In this Apr 24, 2025 livestream episode Aussie nationalist activists Joel Davis and Blair Cottrell discuss Anzac Day and its history: They emphasise the importance of attending Dawn Services on Anzac Day Blair is wearing sunglasses due to an eye infection They discuss how the Anzacs fought for a “White Australia” in World War I “Billy Hughes, our Prime Minister in the First World War, when he addressed the nation and he was basically asking people to sign up to go and fight, he said, ‘I bid thee, go and fight for White Australia in France’.” (10:00) They talk about Australia’s fears of Japanese expansion in the early 20th century Australia joined WWI to secure British dominance in Asia and maintain the White Australia Policy Discussion of Billy Hughes’ role at the Treaty of Versailles in defending the White Australia Policy (20:00) The RSL (Returned and Services League) strongly supported the White Australia Policy until the 1980s Debate over whether every individual soldier was consciously fighting for White Australia (30:00) “White Australia was the central animating concept of Federation. It was the central animating concept of World War I.” They discuss a quote from Billy Hughes about Australia’s destiny and “banishing” Aboriginal people (40:00) Conversation about how they developed their views
on racial inequality Discussion of Australia’s involvement in World War II, primarily as a “race war” against Japan (50:00) Cont’d
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katana17
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Britain’s decisions in WWII led to the decline of the British Empire (55:00) Criticism of how Anzac Day is commemorated today compared to the past (60:00) “When we win, Anzac Day is going to be like it used to be again. The people will be inspired again.” Discussion of a recent incident where Matt Trihey disrupted a political meeting (friends of the ABC) in Melbourne (70:00) Criticism of media coverage of the incident (75:00) They discuss the “gynocracy” and how it affects society and politics (80:00) “We live in a society where emotions rule over reason.” (82:00) Anecdotes about things being banned in primary school Discussion of men’s need for competition and outlets for energy Criticism of men who joke about being “domesticated” by their wives (88:00) They encourage listeners to protest if there’s a “Welcome to Country” at Anzac Day services (90:00) Discussion of Gerard Rennick and encouragement to vote for him in Queensland (92:00) Final encouragement to attend Anzac Day services and treat it as a “religious holiday” “Make tomorrow venerate tomorrow. Make treat tomorrow like a religious holiday. That’s what it is.” – KATANA] [TRANSCRIPT – Words: 16238 – Duration: 95 mins]
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Joel Davis: And it is the Joel, Blair and Tom Show this evening. We have come up with a new name, but I just wanted to get the graphics made, so I don’t want to launch the new name until the graphics are all sorted and we can launch it with a coherent graphic style.

So you’re still waiting for promised name.

Blair Cottrell: What is the new name? Are we’re not going to know?

Joel Davis: We’re not going to announce it now. We’re not going to kill it now. Like:

“I don’t know what it is. I don’t know what it is!”

Blair Cottrell: I actually don’t know either. I literally don’t know!

Joel Davis: So there you go. That’s even better. Like, you won’t.

Blair Cottrell: I wasn’t consulted. If the name is shit, if the name sucks, I wasn’t consulted! [chuckling]

Joel Davis: You were consulted. I did consult you. I don’t know why you don’t remember this conversation, but it’s good that you don’t remember because that way you won’t say it and that way it’ll remain a surprise for the audience.

Blair Cottrell: Strategic. I like it. Yeah.

Joel Davis: Don’t worry, I will reconfirm with you now that you’re telling me you don’t remember our conversation to make sure that you are happy with it. But I’m basically going with something that you said that you already liked.

Blair Cottrell: No, that’s all right. You guys do what you want. I’m just a passenger on this ship.

Joel Davis: [chuckling] You’re not a passenger! We’re all in the same team. We’re a unit. You know, we were to move together as a unit.

But anyway, speaking of moving together as a unit, it is the 6th of September 2024. And on this stream we’re going to just talk a lot about World War Two, World War Two revisionism in particular. But where I want to start is I want to talk about the interview of, he goes by Martry Made on Twitter. He’s got a very large Twitter account. He actually has me blocked on Twitter, which maybe we could talk about. [chuckling]

Blair Cottrell: How do you spell that, Joel? Because I want to look him up right now. Martyr Made. MARTYR.

Joel Davis: What was his name again? His actual name? Was it?

Blair Cottrell: Darryl Cooper?

Joel Davis: Darryl Cooper.

Blair Cottrell: Darryl with, two Rs, I believe.

Joel Davis: Yeah. So he’s an American. He has a Substack, he makes a podcast, and he talks about history on his podcast. Tucker Carlson had him on the show. It got retweeted by Elon Musk. He then deleted it because the jews attacked him for retweeting it. And the jews are attacking Tucker Carlson pretty hard right now. It was probably the most based collection of statements we’ve ever heard from Tucker Carlson. He interviewed him extremely sympathetically. He called him:

“The greatest historian, popular historian in America right now.”

And then just set him up to talk about how our whole narrative on World War Two is total bullshit!

And then they then went on after Martry Made, after Darryl Cooper broke down a lot of talking points that are actually David Irving talking points, kind of softened them up a little bit. Talking about how he kind of intimated a Holocaust revisionist narrative. He didn’t quite go there, but he kind of gestured towards it. Then he said that:

“The real bad guy of World War Two was Churchill.”

And then he then argued for that position by talking about how Hitler sent the British multiple attempts at making peace, and that it was actually in the strategic interest of Britain to make peace. But Churchill was determined to continue on with the war because, well, he gave a few BS reasons.

But ultimately, he pointed out that his backers, the so-called “Zionist financiers”, ultimately installed him in the prime ministership for a reason, which was to pursue war with Germany at any cost. Which is basically the key thesis of David Irving’s book Churchill’s War, which I highly recommend! It is one of the greatest books ever written on history, period!

But it’s integral to understanding the Second World War.

So he kind of made that argument. Tucker Carlson was very sympathetic.

They even then got into a discussion about the World War Two narrative and how the narrative around World War Two was used to justify, essentially White genocide. And they basically talked about the problems in Western Europe with mass immigration and the replacement of White people in European countries and so on. And they related it all to the World War Two narrative. It was, Tucker Carlson even said at one point that:

“We should have the Nuremberg trial for the people responsible for filling up Europe with non-Whites.”

For the Liberal elite, basically.

And also, I noticed Martry Made actually used a Thomas777 talking point. And I know that he definitely listens to Thomas777 because I think he follows him on Twitter.

And also, they’ve been interviewed by the same people on multiple occasions. And Thomas is a friend of mine who I’ve streamed with just a few weeks ago, actually. And we’ve done many things together. He’s an American kind of like dissident, academic, eccentric guy, interesting guy. And he’s a Nazi.

But Thomas, one of his favourite talking points is that after Nuremberg, Nuremberg initiated a new paradigm in international law. This is something which is part of David Irving’s thesis as well about the Nuremberg trials. The Nuremberg trials initiated a new paradigm in international law, that was their express purpose. And effectively, it made it illegal to be Right-wing in the Western world after the Second World War. The Nuremberg paradigm.

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This is a Thomas777 talking point. It’s true. And it was repeated! Anyway, this video has got like 50 million plus views already across different platforms. It’s kicked up massive controversy, particularly on Twitter, because that was the main place where it was posted.

But you can watch it on YouTube. You can watch it on probably other sites as well. It’s brilliant! I thought about playing clips, but the clips are so long, we just end up spending half the stream re-watching the clips. So after this stream, if you haven’t seen it, I do encourage you, go and watch the interview. It’s a very interesting, enjoyable interview. They talk about some other subjects that are quite interesting as well. It’s like 2 hours.

And it’s a really interesting cultural event because this is the re-mainstreaming for the first time in that I can remember in living memory of World War Two revisionism. So this is a pretty interesting watershed moment.

And if Tucker Carlson can stick the landing and just continue going forward, that basically gives licence now to the conservative movement in general in the English speaking world to go there on this subject, because he’s pretty much the biggest conservative political commentator in the English speaking world, I would say, at this point in at this point in time. So very, very interesting stuff!

That’s why I thought, you know, of everything else that’s happened this week, this is by far the most interesting thing that’s happened. So we should just do a whole show talking about this and spurg out in general about World War Two.

But I want to go to you guys, Blair and Tom, like, what you thought about this. I know, Blair, you watched it today, the whole thing. I know, Tom, you only saw clips.

Nevertheless, obviously, you have a lot of thoughts about the Second World War and the importance of World War Two revisionism.

So anyway, it’d be very interesting to get your takes on it.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I’ll go first. I guess. I’ve watched it nearly twice, but I skipped to parts which I considered more interesting and relevant. And it made me want more from Darryl Cooper. Apparently, the guy does 30 hours long podcasts! Multiple episodes!

So the guy really spurgs out and gets into really fine details about specific historical events in which he’s interested. And one that he brought up in the interview, you’ll know if you’ve watched it, was Jonestown and Jim Jones. The Jonestown suicides.

And I was surprised to learn that 75% of the Jonestown suicides were black people! Black children and elderly, mostly pensioners over 60. I suppose they were the most malleable, people most likely to follow a cult leader like Jim Jones. But Jim Jones was also, according to Darryl Cooper. I know we’re going to keep it to World War Two. I’m just kind of segueing for a couple of minutes because I was interested in this.

Jim Jones was a big political power broker back in America during his time, which I think was around the sixties, where he was most active. And he rubbed shoulders with various politicians at the time who really fed into his ideology, or at least encouraged his followers to believe in his own special status. And he was one of the first ever racial equality Civil Rights Activists in America.

And what Darryl Cooper said in this Tucker Carlson interview, was:

“Had he not gone rogue and committed mass suicide in the jungle with all of his followers, he would be regarded as a similar figure to Martin Luther King junior this day by liberals.”

He had that sort of impact on the racial equality culture. And he was one of the first people to pioneer that sort of revolutionary ideology, which was very revolutionary and unpopular back in those days.

I was surprised to learn all that. I didn’t know that. Every time I’ve learnt anything about Jonestown, I see video clips of White people drinking Kool Aid. I didn’t know it was mostly black people! But when I discovered that fact, I wasn’t surprised. I realised, yeah, black people seem to be the most receptive to that kind of fundamentalist, radical religious stuff. I mean, a lot of missionaries like to go to Africa to sell versions of Christianity to Africans because they seem to be a lot more receptive to that kind of thing for some reason. So they abandon Europe and go to Africa to get better results

But I’ve written down a few notes. But specifically, …

Joel Davis: I just wanted to say quickly. I didn’t know that there were blacks either, watching this interview. I never really looked into it. But I guess I should have known, considering that they all drank Kool Aid*! It just seems so obvious now. Like, what kind of group of White people commit suicide with Kool Aid? You know what I mean? It doesn’t make any sense.

[* According to Wikipedia is was actually a brand called, “Flavor Aid”.]

Blair Cottrell: Yeah.

Joel Davis: White people gonna commit mass suicide with watermelon lq ike, yeah, [chuckling]

Blair Cottrell: Whatever you can poison. But Darryl Cooper approaches all of these talking points, whether it’s Jim Jones, the suicide in the jungle, or World War Two, whatever it is that he studies, you can tell he makes strong effort to approach it, or at least explain it from the perspective of a humanitarian.

And his way of, I suppose, making himself appealing to his audience, to who’s listening to him, especially in this interview, is to help people try to get into the boots or look through the eyes of the people that he’s talking about specifically. He reminds the audience that Jim Jones was once a three or four year old boy. And he said he’s very suspicious of biographies and versions of history where it’s said that:

“The child already possessed some sort of psychopathic quality. And everything was kind of established from some schoolyard bullying incident.”

He was like:

“Oh, I’m going to get revenge!”

And that’s what makes the Stalin’s and the Jim Jones is of the world. He said:

“That’s not really true. There’s a series of events which leads to causing these people to do what they do and become the men that they become.”

Which I think is an honest approach. But it is very humanitarian as well. But it makes him seem more honest. And therefore, I think it’s a skillful way, Darryl Cooper opens the consciousness of the listeners because they’re ready to hear something now from a fair and honest man. So even if it’s not deliberate, it is a skillful way to open up the interview.

Now, his exact words regarding Churchill weren’t that he was the “bad guy”, but “the foremost villain”.

So it’s not necessarily that he was declaring Churchill was the leading bad guy, but he was the worst of the bad bunch, I think, is what he’s trying to insinuate, maybe? But he didn’t really say that specifically. He just said:

“He was the foremost villain of the Second World War.”

And he did say, you were correct. He did say that he wanted some style of Nuremberg type rallies [lol] for what, … Darryl didn’t say this, tucker Carlson said that.

Joel Davis: Not Rallies, trials! The Nuremberg trials, very, very different.

Thomas Sewell: It’s important to mention that as well, because we can’t have the Nuremberg trials without Nuremberg rallies.

[12:07]

Blair Cottrell: That’s a good point. But that’s what I meant, the Nuremberg trials. I’ve just made an error in my notes here. Keeping up with Joel’s opening. They’re trying to keep up. But Darryl describes the Nuremberg trials or what they’re talking about, Darryl and Tucker Carlson, when they’re bringing up that we should have Nuremberg style trials for the people who have done this. The people who have done this, who they’re referring to is who Darryl describes as a “superclass of limousine liberals” is how he puts it. Right. An international superclass of privileged, powerful people, most of whom are jewish or Whites. And far removed from the working class. Darryl specifically says they don’t identify with the working class of their own nation. They identify with each other. They identify with other members of this international superclass, which has all of them, the majority of the influence in Western institutions. And he’s right about that. He’s right.

But interestingly, after that was said Joel, did you pick up on the fact that Darryl said after Tucker Carlson said:

“Why can’t we have Nuremberg trials for these people, for what they’ve done to our nations?”

Darryl reiterates:

“We have to win first!”

That’s an interesting phraseology. “We have to win first”, as though he’s associating himself with our side, with us. We have to win first. I thought that was a really interesting statement by him.

But what do you reckon, Tom, from the clips that you saw, what was the vibe you got? Do you like the guy? Do you think he’s useful? What do you reckon?

Thomas Sewell: He’s definitely very intelligent and he’s definitely our guy. The talking points that he had, again, I haven’t watched the whole thing, but the clips that I’ve seen.

And while Joel was doing this introduction, actually, I didn’t realize he had a Twitter. I just went through his Twitter Martyr Maid and he’s just doubling down. He’s resharing stuff that’s completely consistent. It looks like one of our news feeds, really. It looks like one of our Twitter feeds. He’s even resharing people that are having a go at Drew Pavlou, which is hilarious! Like, even Pavlou somehow gets in the into the hive mind here.

Blair Cottrell: Which I’m sure he loves. I noticed that Andrew Tate, I noticed Andrew Tate had to get in on the comments of the main Tucker Carlson post with a video of him doing like shoulder press or something while watching the video. All of these people, they just need to get in on the action every time, don’t they?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, they do, they do.

But, yeah, just going through his feed and seeing the clips, especially the one you shared about how he mentions the little spot of England and I think Tucker Carlson talks about Germany and Spain and France and, I mean, the point of the show here is, I think, twofold.

Firstly, the importance of World War Two as revisionist history becoming a mainstream talking appointment.

And secondly, how World War 2, 100% is connected to the White replacement, the White genocide, and a collapse of Western civilization! And that you cannot separate the two. It is impossible!

And anyone that tries to address White nationalism or White genocide or being pro-White and tries to avoid, somehow they think:

“If I don’t talk about World War Two or I don’t talk about Hitler or I don’t talk about the Holocaust, that somehow we’re going to make more progress this way.”

Not realizing that it is the linchpin! It is what everything rests on! And it’s just so wonderful to be, … I guess I’ll go into a bit more depth.

I started my journey with watching David Irving videos and Ernst Zundel videos on YouTube back in 2013.

I started like, it’s been eleven years. And I was up at 03:00 in the morning watching David Irving or Zundel or Frederick Tobin talking about the Holocaust being a lie, or talking about, … Because I loved World War Two, I loved studying it, but I didn’t necessarily, back then, think:

“Oh, Hitler’s the best! Hitler was the best guy!”

My dad and my granddad are English, so they’re like:

“Churchill’s the best!”

And then I studied in history that maybe Roosevelt was pretty based. And I never had any affinity with Stalin or anything like that. But I always had this kind of secret admiration for Hitler. Not a strong admiration, but a secret one.

And then watching all these videos on YouTube back in 2013 was like:

“Oh, my God! Hitler was the guy! He was actually the man. Churchill was actually the villain. Churchill was actually the bad guy. And he dragged Hitler into war!”

And when I learned about Hess, and Hess flying over to personally try to, … I don’t know if this is covered in the interview. I didn’t see any of the clips, but correct me if I’m wrong, …

Joel Davis: It wasn’t.

[17:13]

Thomas Sewell: It wasn’t? Well, a lot of people need to know that Rudolf Hess, who was Adolf Hitler’s right hand man from day one, he was just his most loyal supporter, follower, brother, leader. He was an absolute legend, Rudolf Hess. And he actually flew over against Hitler’s orders. Probably the only time he disobeyed Hitler’s orders, he flew over to the UK. I think he landed in Scotland, to personally try to hand the British government, or Churchill, the peace treaty that Hitler was asking for from the British, saying:

“We don’t want to go to war with Britain. We don’t want to firebomb Britain.”

Blair Cottrell: What did they do when Rudolf did that? Didn’t he parachute in? And what did they do? Did they arrest him?

Thomas Sewell: They locked him up! They locked him up for the entire duration of the war. They trialed him, they imprisoned him basically for life. And then he was put in Spandau prison back in Germany at the end of Nuremberg.

And then the day before his release, they had an African kill him. They assassinated him, when he was like. I think he was like, 87 years old. He was an old man. He was very old. I think it was in the 1980s. And they just killed him. Yeah, the day before he was. So they punished him to 50 years prison or something like that. And then he did the time.

And then they didn’t release him. They just assassinated him the day of his release or the day before his release.

So, you know, learning all this back in 2013 completely, radically changed my life! I am who I am now, and I’ve set the course and path, and I’m involved in the politics that I’m involved in, and I’ve been doing all the activism that I’ve been doing and building the Mannerbund and the organization that I’ve been building. And it’s the reason why I first met you, Blair, and I’m sure later on, it’s the reason why I met Joel, because we all have this common knowledge, this common understanding of the truth! And it’s just drastically changed all of our lives.

And for that to now be put in front of 50 million people is game changing! We’re just one step closer. It’s over for this evil, lying tyranny! It’s over! It’s getting so much faster that it’s impossible to tell when it’s going to be.

I’ve always said we’ve got about 40 or so years to get this done, between 30 and 50 years to get the job done before it’s basically impossible to get it done. We’ve got to get it done within about 30 to 50 years.

And a lot of people say:

“Oh, it’ll be done a lot sooner than that.”

And I always try to be a bit open minded to how long Roman Empire collapsed.

I mean, these things can drag out for a long time. It can be intergenerational, it can be fucking horrible! It can get a lot worse.

But then you see things like this and you’re like:

“Maybe it’ll be quicker!”

At this rate. It’s gonna be like five years. We need to get organized. Anyway, I’ll leave it there, for now.

Blair Cottrell: Well, if it’s gonna move, if anything moves as quick as the Internet does, it will be quicker because the Internet moves faster than reality, and we’ve all got to speed up to try to keep up with the Internet. Maybe that’s why society moves so quickly these days. I still remember after the day I first met you, which I think was April 4, 2015, first ever Reclaim Australia rally?

Afterwards, we spent probably an hour and a half, 2 hours on the phone, and you were just so excited! I remember you told me you didn’t think this moment would come in your lifetime, but you were so enthralled and fascinated by the public activism, and you saw it as an opportunity. You were really excited and you just were genuinely inspired by it all, I remember. I still remember that phone call. I took it in front of the fireplace.

Thomas Sewell: Talked about Hitler for about an hour as well.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. And we’re like:

“What are we gonna do? Like, we’ll start a political party.”

And I’m just like:

“Alright!”

So that was kind of how we tried to springboard ourselves into politics. Didn’t work out that way, but here we are now.

But look, one thing I want to say before, … Yeah, yeah. You have to learn by doing! You have to make mistakes. You have to make mistakes, learn from your mistakes and keep moving forward. It’s the only way you gain experience. And I don’t think a lot of the mistakes we made were even that bad. Like, we always managed to still look pretty cool! [chuckling]

So, anyway before I throw it back over to you, Joel, what I have to say is Darryl Cooper, in the Tucker Carlson interview, presents himself as someone who is an objective historian. Okay?

But regardless of how objective Cooper considers himself to be, I think he does realize this, but maybe he’s pretending not to realize. By being truthful and more facts based. You’re actually serving yourself, you know how should I say this? You’re putting yourself forward as a propagandist for our side. Right? So even if he’s claiming to be totally objective and honest, it only helps our cause, because that’s what our cause is essentially. It’s based on the truth!

And World War Two, I said in the Space last night with Joel, really is the datum point from which all perspective of the present day is forged. And the reason people have the views that they have in society today, and the reason people have been so Hoodwinked by racial equality, mass migration, feminism, etcetera, is because of the perspective they have of the Second World War. And if we can flip that perspective or shift it somewhat. We need to totally reverse it, in my opinion.

But if we can flip it, then suddenly the perspective of reality for the ordinary person in our country will shift. It will change. Suddenly they’ll realize who they are and who their enemy is. Suddenly they’ll realize what they’re fighting for and what they’re losing as a result of these mass migration programs, something they can’t get back, their ethnic identity.

I’ve got a few notes on the interview itself. What’s the subject we want to move into next? Do we want to move through it structurally? How do you want to do it, Joel?

[22:59]

Joel Davis: Well, we can just kind of move naturally, but I just want to make a few comments on, like, building off what you just said, because most people that follow me, I noticed because I have pretty consistently, for some time, taken the view that World War Two is this, like, central event, which is the most important event in the “what went wrong” narrative. Like there are more abstract answers to the question, like talking about the history of jewish involvement in Western civilisation going back millennia, talking about the development of Greek metaphysics and Christianity and the fall of Rome and so on, and how that set up the modern world or the rise of nominalist theology or the Renaissance and the Enlightenment and the Freemasons. And there’s all these different aspects to the problem. Like the British monarchy being decapitated by Cromwell, basically, and then reinstalled but then overthrown again, and William of Orange being brought in with the jews, so the Rothschilds could set up in London and so on. There’s all these pivotal moments in history.

But at the end of the day, World War Two is the most pivotal, because prior to the Second World War, we lived in a completely different world ideologically. And afterwards, a completely new world has been constructed. And Europe lost political agency in World War Two. That’s the key point, is that Europe lost World War Two! It wasn’t just Germany that lost World War Two. Europe lost World War Two! Britain lost World War Two! That is something that people don’t think about enough, because people say:

“Oh, Joel, you’re an Anglo Saxon, you’re an Australian. Why do you side with the Germans and Hitler in the Second World War? You’re betraying your own side!”

Well, no, my side lost World War Two! Okay, we beat the Japanese like Australia beat the Japanese with the Americans, but the British Empire lost World War Two.

During World War Two, the official flag of Australia was the Union Jack. We didn’t even officially have our current flag yet, like, that’s how still British we were. Like, it was just taken for granted that if Britain goes to war, we go to war. We had this imperial Anglo consciousness, this pan-Anglo consciousness. We were all one king, one flag, one race, one people, at that time.

So it was a completely different world than the Australia that we grew up in that has more of its own identity in those days. And obviously, the Australia at that time also had a White Australia Policy and also was kind of anti-semitic, actively tried to stop jews from immigrating to Australia and so on.

So the Australia that existed prior to the Second World War simply cannot be counterposed to Germany in the way that the post-war narrative is put up.

But secondarily, the Second World War meant our empire collapsed. And now we were behest to the United States. Now we are basically America’s bitch, as is Europe. So we fell under American control due to the Second World War, as well as part of the British Empire. Not just Britain, not just Europe, but also us.

And that American influence is jewish influence! Because America is run by jews. So that meant we fell under jewish control1 And you could say that the British Empire had jewish infiltration and jewish influence. Obviously, it did that was one of the main reasons why they went to war against the Germans. But it wasn’t to the same degree of what we have in the post-war international order underneath the so-called Americans. So that’s very important to take into consideration.

But also when examining Churchill’s treachery, and we can get into this a little bit more, maybe later in the show. Churchill sacrificed the British Empire to go to war on behalf of the jews, and he tried to drag America into that war. And he mentioned this in the interview, Darryl Cooper, that after there was the successful annexation, basically, of France, after basically the British and French forces were routed in France by the Germans. The blitzkrieg just smashed through in six weeks, basically, and they kind of fled at Dunkirk. There were no British forces left on the Continent. All of Western Europe was basically under German control, and Britain had no hope of reinvading Europe and doing anything about it. They were still at war with Germany, but they were in no place to really do much about it whatsoever in terms of actually changing that basic kind of landscape geographically.

[27:36]

All that was left for them to do was either basically negotiate peace or drag one of or both the Soviet Union and the United States into the war. That was all they had left to do. And Churchill was fundamentally determined in particular to drag the Americans into the war. And what dragging the Americans into the war meant was he was basically saying:

“We’re going to drag Europe under the control of America. By dragging America into the war now, America gets to set the tone for once the war is won the fate of western Europe.”

And also that support that the Americans gave to the Soviet Union also enabled the Soviet Union to resist the German invasion. And that was part of why Hitler wanted peace with Britain. He wanted peace with Britain for two main geopolitical reasons.

Reason number one is that Britain had one of the world’s best navies. The only nation that could compete with the Britain as a naval power was the United States. But they had to build it up. They really rapidly built up their navy through the Second World War. But the United States and Britain were the world’s two pre-eminent naval powers.

And Germany needed access to the world’s oceans. Because Germany and Europe in general lacks a lot of natural resources, which it needs to get through trade, that is primarily through the oceans. It’s very expensive and difficult to move freight by land across large distances, like from East Asia or the Middle East or wherever. Obviously its impossible to move from America to Europe without using the oceans.

So controlling the oceans means controlling global trade. And that is vital to Germany, because if they don’t have access to the worlds oceans, that means they don’t have access to a reliable supply of oil and other significant resources, which means if they are cut off from accessing oil in a state of war, their entire war machine, which depends upon oil to function because it’s mechanised, can collapse and they can be brought into existential peril.

There were oil fields in Romania that were key for Germany to have access to because they were connected to continental Europe. But that was then under the shadow of potential military action by the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union has massive oil reserves as well, that it controlled in like Ukraine and other territories, that was under its control.

So that was a lot of the reason for Barbarossa, by the way. It wasn’t just about the threat of communism. Obviously, the ideological threat was significant, but it was also the geopolitics of managing resources and securing resources. Hitler did not want to be caught with his pants down, where Stalin moves on the oil fields in Romania, cuts the Germans off. And now they don’t really have the means to defend themselves, potentially against the communists sweeping across Europe.

So Hitler wanted a peace with Britain because he studied history and he saw Germany tried to go to war with Britain and Russia at the same time, in World War One, didn’t work. Napoleon tried to go to war with Britain and Russia at the same time and fight on two fronts. Didn’t work.

And so he didn’t want to make the same mistake again. He wanted peace with Britain for that reason, but also because Britain neutralises American influence. He didn’t fundamentally trust America. He understood that America was falling under jewish control, that America was basically an emerging superpower that would assert itself in the world and that Europe would lose its capacity to assert its own destiny, and Germany in particular.

But Europe in general would lose its capacity to assert its own sense of destiny and will in the world if America rises and the Soviet Union gobbles up half of Europe, and basically the Western European powers are kind of cornered and their empires are stripped of them, and they are kind of isolated. Which is exactly what happened at the end of the Second World War.

So Hitler saw those threats rising and saw a strong British Empire as key. The Germans would try and control the continent, repel the Soviets, and Britain would basically try and maintain a global order that prevented America from rising and kind of consuming the whole thing. That was his grand strategic vision.

So it was actually in his interest, which is why the Germans were so fair to the British, and they were offering peace offer after peace offer after peace offer, and they basically demanded nothing. The Germans didn’t demand anything for peace. They were like, basically:

“You keep everything that’s yours. Let’s just have peace. We don’t want to take anything from you. We don’t want to exact anything from you, even though you declared war on us first. We’ll just give you peace for free!”

And the way that it was responded to ultimately was, as was mentioned in the interview, the largest scale terrorist attacks ever in human history committed by the British covertly from, in terms of their own population, against the Germans.

So Churchill started ordering his bombers to go and bomb civilian areas all across Germany. And no one in Britain knew about this. It was classified top secret. While the Germans are trying to send peace offers to Britain, saying:

“We want peace, we don’t want war. We don’t want anything from you. Can we please shake hands and do a deal?”

At this exact same time, Churchill is ordering for women and children to be bombed in Germany! While, by the way, the British had – we know now that with the records – that the British had full access to the internal communications within Germany. They had decoded their internal communications and knew exactly what the strategic mentality of the German leadership was for the entire duration of the war, which is a big reason why they won, because they were able to get on the phone to, … Not on the phone. They would Telegram the Soviets and say:

“The Germans are about to attack here, and then they’re going to do this, and then they’re saying they’re going to do this next week.”

And so the Soviets were always one step ahead of them, because the Germans didn’t realise that the British could literally hear and see everything in all of the key high level communications.

[33:41]

So they had full knowledge of the fact that the Germans were sincere in wanting peace and that they wanted peace, and they just wanted to go and focus on fighting the Soviet Union, and they wanted no beef with Britain. And they saw what they were saying publicly was actually what they felt privately. They knew that and they had full knowledge of that.

Nevertheless, they started bombing the shit out of innocent civilians! They also knew that Hitler had an order, a directive to the Germans to not bomb civilian areas in Britain.

And even though German towns were getting blown up and some of the bombings were egregious, where like, 20, 30,000 innocent civilians are, like, burning to death in the space of an hour, …

Blair Cottrell: Imagine your own mother melting into a tar road!

zz Imagine not just your mother, everyone all of your friends, all of their children and so on in your whole neighbourhood just being, yeah, incinerated! This is what was happening across Germany. And Hitler ultimately broke. Like, he couldn’t handle it anymore. And it was like:

“Well, fuck! Like, fuck them! We’re going to bomb them back!”

And started bombing, you know, started bombing the shit out of London, which was he showed a lot of restraint waiting that long. Or his generals are practically begging him, saying:

“We’ve got to retaliate. This is getting ridiculous!”

He finally retaliates. And then Churchill spins at:

“Look at the German aggression! We will not stand for this! And we will fight them on the beaches when they try to invade!”

Churchill knew that they weren’t going to invade. They had no plans to invade and that it would make no strategic sense for them to invade.

Nevertheless, he made out like:

“This German aggression, we won’t stand for it!”

And so on.

Meanwhile, all the efforts of British intelligence was concocting BS. Kind of like how the Israelis concocted a bunch of BS narrative to drag America into war in Iraq. They were doing the same thing, like, creating all these fake documents, spreading them in America that that Germany was going to go and invade South America and had plans to take over the Americas and that they were going, …

Thomas Sewell: Propaganda!

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! All this bullshit that they were spinning, which was total nonsense, as if Hitler is going to know, try and invade South America while he’s in the middle of fighting the largest ever individual war between two countries in world history, between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Like, the scale of that war is so far beyond the scale of any particular front in the history of warfare! As if he’s going to go and invade, like, on the other side of the world!

By the way, Germany at this time is under naval blockade, and can’t even sail to South America, let alone invade the whole place. It made no sense.

But anyway, this shit is getting spread so much. You know, everything that could be done is being done to try and drag the Americans in. And Roosevelt wants the war with Germany because Roosevelt has plans to create a kind of globalist, liberal, international order, much like what was ended up being created after the Second World War. And saw the kind of battle with Germany as key for American dominance over Europe to be asserted, and then therefore over the world.

But the American people didn’t want to go to war with Germany, didn’t want any bar of it. And ultimately with the Pearl Harbor bombings and the issue with Japan. Which, by the way, was also by design, because they imposed such intense sanctions on Japan while Japan is at war with China, to basically cripple the Japanese. And all through Asia to basically cripple the Japanese economy. Japan, like Germany, was reliant upon getting oil from the outside and other key natural resources from the outside. Because Japan doesn’t have a lot of natural resources. And so sanctions and naval blockades basically being imposed upon the Japanese completely cripples their capacity to have industry, and therefore cripples their war machine while they’re engaged in so much active warfare across the whole Asian region at that time.

So the Japanese felt they had no choice but ultimately to just start fighting the Americans directly because the Americans were crippling their war effort already.

And the Americans knew that it would ultimately result in Japan attacking. And actually, Australian intelligence told the Americans two months before, or six weeks before, or something, that Pearl Harbor was going to get bombed by the Japanese. And the Roosevelt administration allowed it to happen, just kind of like, move people that they were quite happy to die into the area and ships that they were happy to get blown up, moved all their key personnel out and just let it happen, basically, so that they would have a pretext to go to war with Japan.

[38:24]

Blair Cottrell: It makes me realise what like, passive “good guy Greg” role Australia played in the Second World War. We basically just fought some battles for the English. Won most of them. Apparently, Menzies* was involved in a lot of the war cabinet meetings with Churchill and kept a private diary about how insane Churchill was.

[* Robert Menzies-Australian politician, 12th Prime Minister of Australia (1894-1978) Sir Robert Gordon Menzies was an Australian politician and lawyer who served as the 12th prime minister of Australia from 1939 to 1941 and 1949 to 1966. Wikipedia]

And then the Japanese are heading to Pearl Harbor, and we’re like:

“Hey, they’re going to Pearl Harbor. We’re the good guys down here, just going to try and help!”

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! I don’t think anyone in the Australian leadership at the time would have wanted the war to become what it became because it wasn’t in our interest.

But ultimately, we had to fight the Japanese because we couldn’t, …

Thomas Sewell: Even in the United States, there was a survey done, a very large survey, basically one step down from a census, done on America’s involvement in World War Two. Well, obviously, before World War Two existed as a concept, but involvement in the European war, I think, is what it was described. As and they polled, like, less than 30%. I think like, 20 something percent had any interest in going, engaging, and involving in that war. And both political parties at the time, the Republicans and the Democrats, both ran their election campaigns on not being involved in it. So, obviously, the jews had ulterior motives. And, yeah, it frustrates me. It’s been a frustrating, I guess, eleven years of dealing with a certain faction of, I think Hitler describes them as historical, not “historical enjoyers”, but he has a really unique way of describing them in Mein Kampf, in one of the later chapters. I think it’s around, I could do quote and verse. I think it’s around page 168. [chuckling] I don’t know why I know that! But I really like Hitler.

Blair Cottrell: Paragraph three, beginning at word 17, …

Thomas Sewell: I’ll just get it. I’ll just get it out. I didn’t actually prepare this earlier. But he talks about people, but they don’t see the forest for the trees, …

Blair Cottrell: Is that the Mannheim books? Is that Mannheim books? The black one?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. It’s a Rolf Mannheim that everyone hates.

Blair Cottrell: Have you got more than one of those, or is that yours? Because I need one of those.

Thomas Sewell: I should have a couple of them. Yeah. I’ve got an order in at the moment for the one Jacob was recommending.

Joel Davis: You should get the Dalton one as well, Blair, because the translator, Thomas Dalton, is very competent and is actually a National Socialist. And tried to do a translation that really honoured what the original German says to the that, as accurately as possible. Whereas the other translations, because of ideological bias, you still get the idea, obviously, of what he’s saying.

Blair Cottrell: But is Ralph Mannheim jewish?

Thomas Sewell: I don’t know. I could Google it, but I don’t know. I don’t think the translation of Mannheim is the problem. It’s mostly the footnote, obviously.

Blair Cottrell: I think the Mannheim translation is quite good.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I enjoyed as well. I just ignore the footnotes. So sometimes I read the footnotes because they just add context. It’s not necessarily biased, obviously, just there’s footnotes about the Holocaust in there. But that’s nonsense!

But the most important thing about reading Mein Kampf is, I mean, Joel just went on, like, a 30 minutes rant about the history of World War Two and its relationship, obviously, with Australia, the UK, America, the Soviet Union.

When you read Mein Kampf, Hitler describes his idea of a New World Order without jewry. Without world jewry. He describes that alliance between Germany, the United States, Germany, and Great Britain. It describes these relationships all the way back in 1925. So Hitler was completely transparent with his intentions. Hitler was completely, like, he’s writing stuff, how many, basically two decades before the end of World War Two, before the Nuremberg trials, and before all the lies and slander really started to go hard. But he already wrote it, and it was the most published book, I think, in history, after the Bible and the Quran.

So that’s why it’s so important to read, because when you read the words from the man, you can feel a sincerity, and it deprograms all of the “Holocaustianity”, as Jacob and William Luther Pierce call it. There’s a Holocaustianity. That’s the new religion. I think there’s a Catholic, a famous Catholic anti-semite as well. I can’t remember his name. Maybe Joel knows him, but he calls it “Holocaustianity” as well.

And I think that’s a really important understanding, too.

Joel Davis: [words unclear]

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. I’ve actually never heard you say call it, but it’s a very good way of describing it, because it really is a religion built around the Holocaust. And reading Mein Kampf and learning the truth about World War Two breaks the spell of Holocaustianity! And when you break the spell of holocaustianity, your politics is now free. You can choose to be whatever you want to be politically, but you’re most likely going to be on some sort of pipeline between racist, libertarian, and National Socialist. And you’re going to probably argue about something benign or irrelevant rather than the securing the future for our people. And to have a free mindset, to not be shackled by holocaustianity, and to have a free mindset allows you to address all information from that free mindset.

And so it’s interesting how everyone gets involved in the movement, if we want to describe it by that, I mean, we’ve got Darryl Cooper. Is it Darryl Cooper saying “we have to win first”?

So we’re a movement that’s trying to win! We’re trying to achieve state power across Western civilisation, across White civilisation. And it’s fascinating that we all come into the movement from maybe these different angles.

[44:20]

And a lot of the people our age that have been around for some time, we probably got red pilled through 4Chan or YouTube or some sort of alternative media source, even if it’s on a mainstream source, but the backwaters of it that are now banned as part of dead end Internet theory. But we were in that part of the Internet that doesn’t really exist anymore, but it doesn’t need to anymore. It’s become mainstream. Like, they tried to smother it! The Pandora’s box is open. They tried to rig the YouTube algorithms.

And I talked about this with Blair. You were there when we talked to, … Who was the guy from Mirror Mirror, the Channel Ten reporter, that American or Canadian guy? What was his name? Journalist Todd Sampson asked me a leading question because obviously they were trying to get it on the documentary. He said:

“Did you, when you were on YouTube, did you feel that the algorithm, that it was YouTube’s fault, that the algorithm set you down this path?”

And I was like:

“No, it was the opposite. I just randomly came across these videos by just deep diving into history, autistically.”

And then, I didn’t say that, obviously, on television, [chuckling] but, …

And then the algorithm tried to take me out. I’d be watching a Hitler video. And then the most recommended, the top recommended was like, a Ben Shapiro video, or a Jordan Peterson video. It was these astroturfed system people or Joe Rogan video. It was like always trying to pull me out of the rabbit hole. The algorithm was doing the opposite.

And he just paused and stopped his line of questioning and then just looked at his notes and then asked a different set of questions. He was like:

“Damn it!”

He wanted the sound bite. Like:

“I was groomed by YouTube. YouTube’s responsible. We should sue YouTube because YouTube’s making all these people racist!”

And now it’s like, [chuckling] Tucker Carlson is making all these people wake up to the true the World War Two. And obviously they’re going to go after him.

It’s interesting, the observation about Musk supporting the show and then realizing the implications of that and be like:

“Oh, shit! I’m not ready to go that far yet!”

And there’s a lot of people, a lot of chatter. I have checked the comment section of the show today, and there’s a lot of chatter about:

“Oh, this person’s controlled opposition. This person’s controlled opposition!”

It’s like:

“We’re all here! We all made it!”

And if the system is doing these things in a controlled manner, well, look, they’re clearly losing! [chuckling] Like, if that’s what they have to do to control the narrative, that’s the down, …

Joel Davis: This is losing control of the narrative. This is like:

“Well, in order to stop White people from waking up, what we need to do is talk about how actually Churchill was the bad guy in World War Two and maybe slightly deny the Holocaust and talk about how the jews were behind it in an indirect way and how that’s what’s justifying White genocide.”

That’s the controlled demolition!

Like, if the system is doing controlled demolition on the World War Two mythos, which is literally the fundamental pillar in the kind of ideological structure of the modern world, that’s victory!

I don’t think the system is doing that. I think Tucker Carlson is from a faction of the American elite, which are somewhat free agents to a certain extent, and who, I think, look at basically the current state of the United States and of the American empire and realise that if White people aren’t resupplied with some kind of dignity, then, basically the empire is toast! Because you need to have young White men moving up within the system, occupying positions of power and prominence and running America so that it maintains, that they can have a functional empire.

And right now, the way that it’s set up, they’ve denied so much dignity to young White men and to the White race in general. They’re being so destructive towards the high quality blood that is necessary for the empire to sustain itself, that it is on a trajectory to self destruction in very short order.

So I think there are a certain element of the American elite, I think, which are still kind of WASPy. They’re not jews, because, you know, his dad’s a CIA agent, and he’s got a lot of connections. So, I mean, he’s a part of the elite. He’s not just some guy.

Thomas Sewell: When people say:

“Oh, Tucker Carlson, you know, he’s, …”

I agree. He wore that Kabbalah bracelet. That’s suspicious, on a previous show. That’s an odd thing to wear, that crimson bracelet. Maybe it means something else in other circles, but most people are aware that’s a sign of tether or tie or submission to the Kabbalah mysticism.

But again, let’s say that’s correct. Let’s take that information and we all agree on it. How does that explain or justify what he’s done today? To me, I can only think of, obviously, that’s a clear answer, that there’s infighting within the Deep State and even there’s cabal, and it’s just CIA agents that are trying to get the American empire back on track and White people back supporting the government, because they’ve lost all trust. There’s no trust at the moment.

I think Republicans are at like 7% trust in the mainstream media, or it’s basically hit, … We’re like a couple years away in theory, a couple years away from the collapse of the Soviet Union. If you think about where public trust was in the mainstream institutions of the Soviet Union in 1987 or 1988, it was pretty obvious that the whole thing was going to come apart.

And there’s a lot of history, a lot of firsthand history of people that talk about how they would walk around in the Soviet Union in the late eighties and walk into car dealerships and pretend to buy a car, because they knew they weren’t for sale, because they weren’t getting manufactured. And they would have these fake conversations with the car dealer, like pretending to buy a car and pretending that they had the money to buy the car. And everyone just like, played pretend. And it was just like this really strange time where they were living in this, I think the term was called hyper, maybe not “hyper realism”. I think it was hyper realism. I watched a documentary called Hyper Realism on it, and that’s kind of similar to what we’re living. We’re living in a different version of hyper realism. But the two notes I have is that, …

[50:42]

Blair Cottrell: We’re in hyper faking gayism!

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, exactly! [chuckling] Yeah. It’s the same thing, but just gay and brown.

Joel Davis: They kind of had, like, ironic communism at that point. Like no one actually believed. So it was just like this ironic performance art. Because no one can step out and openly criticise it because that’s a capital offence, Gulags.

So everyone just ironically goes along with it to show that:

“Yes, I’m aware that this is bullshit and you’re aware. We’re both aware that this is bullshit, but we’re not breaking any laws.”

And it’s almost like liberalism is getting to that point where no one actually fucking believes that this shit is actually true anymore. Except retards! Even Drew Pavlou does not believe liberalism is true!

Thomas Sewell: No he doesn’t.

Joel Davis: He knows that the jews run everything and that racism is actually the only thing that’s actually funny or interesting. He’s a totally cynical actor.

Thomas Sewell: What he said on the Spaces last night that why do Right-wing people, someone asked AI, or maybe it was you, Joel. Why do Right-wing people wink at each other and that, …

Blair Cottrell: Some Leftist, why do like, Nazis smirk at each other in conversation or when they’re in an interview together, and the AI answered:

“To indicate a connected consciousness and the fact that they’re both in on some propaganda ploy.”

And I said:

“Yeah, yeah, that’s right.”

Thomas Sewell: It’s the bees. The bees. I probably told the story many times, but I’ll do it in the short version. When the wasp comes into the beehive, the bees don’t fight back straight away. They kind of just, … Bees are industrious. They’re kind of like, they’re kind of Anglos without, you know, well, they kind of like Anglos in a lot of ways, the bees. And they don’t necessarily fight back straight away. It takes a long time for the Saxon to begin to hate. Like, the bees kind of just tolerate the wasps coming in, just like eating people. Sometimes the wasps, even eat the young and start fucking up the royal jelly. And the bees are just like:

“Oh God! And they just, they got to get to work. You know what I mean? They’re stuck in traffic and there’s a traffic jam and life sucks! And I got to get the pollen and get the pollen back to the beehive. And this is more important things. Yeah, we get there’s a wasp, but it’s not my job. I don’t have to deal with it. It’s a police job!”

And the police are like dysfunctional, the bee police.

Anyway, how they eventually kill the wasp is they just start like, waving their wing a certain way, like a different way. And the wasp doesn’t really realise it.

And then eventually when all the bees are all just like doing this little twitch with their wing, and when everyone’s doing it, like, it starts with just a couple bees, like:

“Hey, we got to deal with this problem.”

And they start doing this little wink, this little smirk, this little. Like a little bee sieg heil. And they all start, …

Blair Cottrell: Like they’re bashing their spears against their chest plate.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Yeah, sort of but it’s like a subtle one. It’s like an Anglo. It’s like subtle racism. It’s like an Anglo subtlety.

And eventually, when they’re all doing it, then the bees. It’s a hive mind, you see? And when the bees all tune into the hive mind and they’re all geared together. And I say this on purpose because, I mean, Joel didn’t want to give it away, but we’ll talk about it later.

But when all the bees are all doing the little mini seig heil and the hive mind is all activated, when the hive minds all mobilised, then when that hive mind has achieved its purpose, then the bees just swarm the wasp and they vibrate the wasp to death. They can overheat the wasp and actually have a rotating meat grinder where they basically can overheat the wasp, and the wasp dies. But the bees just pass out before they die.

Blair Cottrell: I think, in there, there’s a clue as to the new name for the show, is there?

Thomas Sewell: [chuckling]

Blair Cottrell: I picked up on that. Yeah. A couple of questions I have, you guys.

First of all, I’ll make a remark regarding Mein Kampf. What you’ve basically explained, Tom, is that in a world where most books, especially books on politics and philosophy, are just spells trying to spell you, trying to get you to believe and invest yourself in a certain thing. Mein Kampf stands out as the spell breaker! It’s the book that dispels you. And allows you to think clearly for yourself see things as they are.

And whether Tucker Carlson realises it or not, he’s essentially putting himself forward now as a propagandist for nationalism, hardline nationalism, even National Socialism.

I did feel that Tucker Carlson was a little bit soft in the interview on a few occasions. Maybe he does it deliberately to try to seem fair. I know that that’s his game sometimes. But he brings up certain talking points that are quite “humanitarian”. Human rights and everyone having the right to live peacefully and in freedom. But those are the same talking points that led us to this fiasco in the first place. Like this mass egalitarian, mass migration culture that we have to tolerate now, the dispossession of our lands and eventual genocide of our people. So I hope that he realises that at some point and lays off that kind of rhetoric.

But question for you, Joel. You said that, or you alluded, … And both Tucker and I don’t know if Darryl Cooper did, but Tucker also alluded to the same point, that Winston Churchill, as a result of his stubborn refusal to accept Hitler’s peace offers, is responsible for the state Britain is in right now. But do you think Churchill knew that? Do you think back in 1940, world leaders could even conceive of the fact that a superclass of Leftist psychopaths were going to try to replace native Brits with Muslims and Indians? Right. Do you think Churchill actually understood that?

[56:10]

Joel Davis: The answer is absolutely that he didn’t! But Churchill was drunk off his tits every single day! I mean, the man was a total mess!

Blair Cottrell: What you’re saying is where Britain is at now is a consequence of Churchill, but it’s not what Churchill wanted.

Thomas Sewell: He didn’t necessarily know the exact plan, but he knew that these were nefarious agents because he wrote about them. Millions of dollars from the jews.

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! Yeah, exactly, Tom, is so, …

Thomas Sewell: He knew they were nefarious for a fact.

Blair Cottrell: He’s in bed with snakes. Churchill’s in bed with snakes. He knows he’s in beds with snakes. He talks about the fact he’s laying in a bed with snakes, but he stays in the bed anyway.

Thomas Sewell: Because he’s compromised.

Joel Davis: Churchill wrote a book in the early twenties talking about two strategies for jews, zionism and Bolshevism.

[Churchill’s 1920 article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald on “Zionism versus Bolshevism”. (click image to enlarge)]

[See: Book – The Myth of German Villainy – Part 04 – The Russian Revolution of 1917]

And also, there are other private communications. David Irving talks about this, of things, because Churchill was a prolific writer. There’s so much documentation of things that he wrote throughout his life. You know, Churchill had a very long life in public life. You know, he was a high ranking, a very successful politician, a high ranking member of the navy and so on. And World War Two is quite towards the end of his life. So when he was a younger man he was incredibly anti-semitic in some of his remarks. His book on the jews shows a very deep understanding of the jews.

Martyr Made in that interview, by the way, or Darryl Cooper, I should use his real name. He actually totally misrepresented that book, by the way, because he was like:

“Oh, I think Churchill was always a Zionist and he had sympathy to zionism because he thought that, like, jews, if they could either become Zionists or communists, and we would rather they become Zionists rather than communists, because communism is the real kind of threat.”

But if Churchill really felt that way, why the hell did he enable the Soviet Union to, why did he allow the Soviet Union to invade Poland, but not Germany? Why did he enable the Soviet Union to gobble up half of Europe with its actions. Why did he effectively ally with the Soviet Union if he was so [word unclear] communism?

Blair Cottrell: Apparently he had serious problems with Germany because of several military blunders that he was responsible for.

Joel Davis: That’s bullshit! When he said that was total bullshit! The reason why Churchill was fixated upon going to war with Germany was because Churchill went fucking bankrupt! Churchill was voted out of office. His political career failed. His military career was a fucking disaster, and he was a failed man, and he went broke. But he wanted to live a high society life of a rich, well to do, noble, you know, high ranking Tory British guy.

So he wanted to live in the fancy manor and have all these maids and servants and be part of high society and so on.

Blair Cottrell: And bottles of whisky, …

Joel Davis: He needed cash! And he was actually. He was engaged in all kinds of nefarious behaviour. Like, he would create counterfeit, he would do counterfeit painting where he would try and paint like, this famous French painter and pass off paintings like they were painted by someone else, so that he could sell them. Basically commit fraud to sell paintings at high values and so on. And he was doing all kinds of odd jobs, but he was completely broke.

And then jewish financiers came in and offered him literally the equivalent today of, like I think five or $10 million or something, or even more to become their guy, basically.

And the condition was:

“Here’s a whole bunch of money. We’re going to fund you back into politics, as well as paying off all your debts and enabling you to live this highfalutin lifestyle. And we’re going to get all, …”

The jews ran the media, right?

“So we’re going to get the media to start shilling you. But you’re going to be the guy who leads the charge against this Nazi threat against the Germans!”

And Irving points out that when Hitler rose to power, he actually has Churchill’s diaries and Churchill’s writings from that time. When Hitler comes to power in the early thirties. And Churchill doesn’t really care, he barely writes about it. If he was so passionate about Germany being a problem and Hitler being a problem, wouldn’t he have said something? It’s only after the jews come in and bail him out in the mid thirties with literally millions of dollars in today’s money, I can’t remember the exact figures. That all of a sudden he becomes, like, this public advocate within British politics for an aggressive foreign policy against Germany, and he becomes the biggest critic of Neville Chamberlain and the appeasement over Czechoslovakia and so on.

And so Churchill was effectively funded and promoted by the jews to be the anti-German war hawk in British politics. And ultimately elevated into the prime ministership, fueled by the jewish media and jewish financing, backing him and putting him in that role. So he owed his entire political, like, his kind of revived political career to the jews 100%! And it was conditional. And if he was to take Hitler’s peace offer, that support would be totally gone!

[1:01:24]

[See: That Blackguard — Winston Churchill]

And also he would look like a fool because he had basically pushed for war with Germany for so many years. If he then finally becomes prime minister and then goes and signs a peace deal with Hitler and tries to become Hitler’s ally, he’ll immediately get voted out because the British people have been sold this idea by Churchill that Germany is the greatest threat, we must defeat Germany and so on. So if he then cucks to Hitler, then there goes his political career, and also the jews would totally abandon him. He’d get cut off all the funding, all the money that he was receiving, or he can keep going along with, keep the jewish money flowing, keep the media on his side, save face, drag the Americans into the war and become the hero and so on, which is what ended up happening. Right?

So he basically sold out his people! He sold out our people. He sold us out. He destroyed our empire, because he’s of our blood. I mean, he’s an Anglo Saxon. He basically sold us out, destroyed Europe for petty personal reasons, ultimately. His own personal ambitions in politics and in lifestyle and so on. And Churchill was a racist and an anti-semite. He understood the theory. He didn’t have the honour!

[Something to keep in mind is that Organised jewry would have has several potential traitors like Churchill ready to replace him if he didn’t fullfill their agenda, so in other words he was a useful tool, but not indispensable – Kat]

Blair Cottrell: Wasn’t almost everyone racist and anti-semitic back then?

Joel Davis: Definitely! Yeah, but we have documented evidence showing that he understood. It wasn’t like he was a retard that didn’t understand ideology, didn’t understand race and what was going on, and that he didn’t understand jewish power and influence and the nefarious nature of the jews.

And actually, when Churchill tried to revive his political career again, because, remember, he was basically voted out immediately after World War Two ended. When he tried to kind of relaunch his political career again in the late 1940s, he actually, I think, almost ran with the catchphrase or whatever of “Keep Britain, White” or something akin to that, those words. He was going to try and do White nationalist populism as his, like, final hurrah to take back over the Tories and go back into the prime ministership and so on. They ended up kiboshing that idea. But like that shows that Churchill was not like some anti-racist libtard or secret communist or something.

He was just literally a piece of shit sellout! And yeah, and as I said, he was wasted drunk. Obviously that demonstrates like a lack of character to be running the British Empire, basically, be the prime minister. It’s such a pivotal moment in history and you can’t like, fucking sober up and make decisions?

But you just see, like, throughout his life, like so many incompetent decisions, so many selfish decisions, and just a complete train wreck within his personal life.

You know, David Irving talks about the fact that Churchill’s wife or widow, I guess, after he died, was willing to actually work with David Irving and hand over a bunch of Churchill’s records, knowing that David Irving was trashing him! Because she hated him so much, because of how much of a piece of shit he was! He didn’t have loyalty even from his own wife or whatever, or mistress or whatever she was.

Anyway, the point is that he was just a total piece of shit, like as a human being on every level. And that is, I think, the core to his motivation, which makes it all the more worse. Like if at least if he was like a anti-racist libtard, then at least like he would have actually had some kind of even though they’re completely wrong morals, at least he would had some principles that governed his behaviour.

Like Roosevelt seemed to have like a certain kind of ideological motivation behind what he did. You know, like he wanted to create this, like liberal globalist world order or whatever. And obviously that’s evil and fucked up, because it’s fundamentally immoral construction and look at what that has led to. But it was more conscious with Roosevelt, where Churchill was just like a scum piece of shit that was just used by these forces ultimately to bring down probably the society that he actually loved and wanted to be a part of he just wanted to be “the guy”, he wanted to be the hero, he wanted to be the high status, you know, Englishman with the top hat and respected and so on and so that makes it all the more disgusting!

[1:05:51]

Blair Cottrell: Seems like standard narcissism. Like the guy had deep feelings of inadequacy maybe, and was overcompensating. That’s just standard narcissistic behaviour. Every man’s flawed, and obviously Churchill was significantly flawed.

But it’s like no matter where you look, what Darryl Cooper is trying to put forward in the Tucker Carlson interview, that is that Churchill is the foremost villain of the Second World War. You find evidence of that everywhere you look!

When you look at other revisionists, when you look at former soldiers. I can recall watching an interview of some former members of the Royal Air Force from World War Two saying that:

“They felt like their orders came from cowards, that they were carpet bombing Germany, German civilians on orders, but they didn’t want to do it, and they felt sick about it afterwards.”

They didn’t understand why they were being ordered to do that.

So I suppose I harbour some resentment towards the man. And it’s funny because I’m not particularly well read on Second World War. I have a good general understanding. I remember, I suppose I first started developing my understanding by watching William Luther Pearce edits on YouTube, edited by Norse Wolf, who was a clever editor, back when YouTube allowed these clips.

And that’s how I learnt that what started the Second World War was actually Britain and France declaring war on Hitler, and not the other way around. Not only did Hitler not declare war on England or France, Hitler had nothing to do with the start of the Second World War, other than invading Poland to retake former German territory, which German civilians or German citizens were being slaughtered in because they still hadn’t moved out of that territory. And the Poles thought they had the British and the French on their side. So they thought they could just keep slaughtering those Germans and not suffer any consequences. According to Darryl Cooper, …

Thomas Sewell: It was a Polish variation of the NKVD. [words unclear] Part of the jewish administration in Danzig.

Blair Cottrell: That means they probably didn’t stop at murder. It was probably worse than that, too. And so Hitler was in a precarious position where he could either just continue letting these Germans get raped and slaughtered in former German territory because the Poles were ignoring Hitler’s advances and requests to stop killing his people so he could get them out of there safely, or he could just go in there and take the land back to protect his own people.

According to Darryl Cooper in the Tucker Carlson interview, Hitler didn’t actually expect England and France to declare war on him after retaking that land because he saw it as a perfectly reasonable thing to do, considering the circumstances and the position that he was in. And he was really surprised and upset when they forced him into a war, which is why he put so much effort into trying to sue for peace. Apparently, he was firing off peace office for months and months and months!

Tucker Carlson: The following is an interview with the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, shot February 6, 2024, about 07:00 pm in the building behind us, which is, of course, the Kremlin.

The interview, as you will see if you watch it, is primarily about the war in progress, the war in Ukraine, how it started, what’s happening, and most pressingly how it might end.

One note before you watch, at the beginning of the interview, we ask the most obvious question, which is:

“Why did you do this? Did you feel a threat, an imminent physical threat? And that’s your justification?”

And the answer we got shocked us! Putin went on for a very long time, probably half an hour, about the history of Russia, going back to the 8th century. And honestly, we thought this was a filibustering technique and found it annoying and interrupted him several times, and he responded he was annoyed by the interruption.

But we concluded in the end, for what it’s worth, that it was not a filibustering technique. There was no time limit on the interview. We ended it after more than 2 hours.

Instead, what you’re about to see seemed to us sincere, whether you agree with it or not. Vladimir Putin believes that Russia has a historic claim to parts of western Ukraine. So our opinion would be to view it in that light as a sincere expression of what he thinks. And with that, here it is.

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Tucker Carlson: Mr. President, thank you. On February 22, 2022, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in Ukraine started. And you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the United States, through NATO, might initiate a, quote, “surprise attack on our country”. And to American ears, that sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the United States might strike Russia out of the blue. How did you conclude that?

Vladimir Putin: [sighing] It’s not that America, the United States, was going to launch a surprise strike on Russia. I didn’t say that. Are we having a talk show, or a serious conversation?

Tucker Carlson: [laughing] Here’s the quote. Thank you.

Vladimir Putin: Because your basic education is in history, as far as I understand.

Tucker Carlson: Yes!

Vladimir Putin: So if you don’t mind, I will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history. For giving you a little historical background.

Tucker Carlson: Please.

Vladimir Putin: Let’s look where our relationship with Ukraine started from. Where did Ukraine come from? The Russian state started gathering itself as a centralized statehood, and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the Russian state in 862, when the townspeople of Nogorod invited a Varangian prince, Rurik, from Scandinavia to reign.

In 1862, Russia celebrated the 1,000th anniversary of its statehood. And in Novorod, there is a memorial dedicated to the 1,000th anniversary of the country.

In 882, Rurik’s successor, Prince Oleg, who was actually playing the role of regent as Rurik’s young son, because Rurik had died by that time, came to Kiev. He ousted two brothers who apparently had once been members of Rurik’s squad.

[03:47]

So Russia began to develop with two centers of power, Kiev and Novgorov.

The next very significant date in the history of Russia was 988. This was the baptism of Russia, when Prince Vladimir, the great grandson of Rurik, baptized Russia and adopted Orthodoxy, or Eastern Christianity. From this time, the centralized Russian state began to strengthen. Why? Because of the single territory, integrated economic ties, one and the same language after the baptism of Russia, the same faith and rule of the Prince. The centralized Russian state began to take shape.

Back in the Middle Ages, Prince Yaroslav the Wise introduced the order of succession to a throne. But after he passed away, it became complicated for various reasons.

The throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son, but from the Prince who had passed away to his brother, then to his sons in different lines. All this led to the fragmentation and the end of Rus as a single state. There was nothing special about it. The same was happening then in Europe.

But the fragmented Russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier by Gengis Khan. His successors, namely Batu Khan, came to Rus, plundered and ruined nearly all the cities.

The southern part, including Kiev, by the way, and some other cities simply lost independence. While northern cities preserved some of their sovereignty. They had to pay tribute to the horde, but they managed to preserve some part of their sovereignty.

And then a unified Russian state began to take shape, with its center in Moscow. The southern part of Russian lands, including Kiev, began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet, the center that was emerging in Europe. This was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. It was even called the Lithuanian Russian Duchy, because Russians were a significant part of this population. They spoke the old Russian language and were Orthodox.

But then there was a unification, the Union of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland.

A few years later, another union was signed, but this time already in the religious sphere. Some of the Orthodox priests became subordinate to the Pope. Thus these lands became part of the Polish Lithuanian state.

During decades, the Poles were engaged in colonization of this part of the population. They introduced a language there, tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly Russians, that because they lived on the fringe, they were “Ukrainians”. Originally, the word “Ukrainian” meant that a person was living on the outskirts of the state, along the fringes, or was engaged in a border patrol service. It didn’t mean any particular ethnic group.

[07:43]

So the Poles were trying to, in every possible way, to colonize this part of the Russian lands and actually treated it rather harshly, not to say cruelly. All that led to the fact that this part of the Russian lands began to struggle for their rights. They wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be observed and people be commissioned here, including to Kiev.

Tucker Carlson: I beg your pardon, can you tell us what period? I’m losing track of where in history we are? The Polish oppression of Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin: It was in the 13th century.

Now I will tell you what happened later and give the dates so that there is no confusion.

And in 1654, even a bit earlier, the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding that they send them to rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. When Warsaw did not answer them, and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow, so that Moscow took them away.

So that you don’t think that I’m inventing things, I’ll give you these documents.

[An aide comes and hands Putin a folder.]

Tucker Carlson: Well, it doesn’t sound like you’re inventing it. I’m not sure why it’s relevant to what happened two years ago.

Vladimir Putin: But still, these are documents from the archives. Copies. Here are the letters from Bohdan Khmelnytsky, the man who then controlled the power in this part of the Russian lands that is now called Ukraine. He wrote to Warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld. And after being refused, he began to write letters to Moscow, asking to take them under the strong hand of the Moscow Tsar. There are copies of these documents. I will leave them for your good memory. There is a translation into Russian. You can translate it into English later.

Russia would not agree to admit them straight away, assuming that a war with Poland would start.

Nevertheless, in 1654, the Russian assembly of top clergy and landowners, headed by the Tsar, which was the representative body of the power of the old Russian state, decided to include a part of the old Russian lands into Moscow Kingdom.

As expected, the war with Poland began. It lasted 13 years. And then in 1654, a truce was concluded. And 32 years later, I think, a peace treaty with Poland, which they called “Eternal Peace”, was signed. And these lands, the whole left bank of Dneiper, including Kiev, went to Russia, and the whole right bank of Dneiper, remained in Poland.

Under the rule of Catherine the Great*, Russia reclaimed all of its historical lands, including in the south and west. This all lasted until the revolution [1917].

[*Catherine the Great, was the reigning empress of Russia from 1762 to 1796]

Before World War I, Austrian General Staff relied on the ideas of Ukrainianization and started actively promoting the ideas of Ukraine and the Ukrainianization. Their motive was obvious. Just before World War I, they wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area.

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So the idea which had emerged in Poland, that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really Russians, but rather belonged to a special ethnic group, Ukrainians, started being propagated by the Austrian General Staff.

As far back as the 19th century, theorists calling for Ukrainian independence appeared. All those, however, claimed that Ukraine should have a very good relationship with Russia. They insisted on that.

After the 1917 revolution, the Bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood and the civil war began, including the hostilities with Poland. In 1921, peace with Poland was proclaimed and under that treaty, the right bank of Dneiper River once again was given back to Poland.

In 1939, after Poland co-operated with Hitler – it did collaborate with Hitler, you know, – Hitler offered Poland peace and a treaty of friendship. An alliance demanding in return that Poland give back to Germany the so-called Danzig Corridor, which connected the bulk of Germany with East Prussia and Konigsberg.

After World War I, this territory was transferred to Poland and instead of Danzig, a city of Gdasnk emerged. Hitler asked them to give it amicably, but they refused. Of course, still they collaborated with Hitler and engaged together in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia.

Tucker Carlson: May I ask you, you’re making the case that Ukraine, certainly parts of Ukraine, eastern Ukraine, is in effect Russian, has been for hundreds of years. Why wouldn’t you just take it when you became president 24 years ago? You have nuclear weapons, they don’t. If it’s actually your land, why did you wait so long?

Vladimir Putin: Sure. I’ll tell you. I’m coming to that. This briefing is coming to an end. It might be boring, but it explains many things.

Tucker Carlson: It’s not boring. Just don’t know how it’s relevant.

Vladimir Putin: Good, good. I’m so gratified that you appreciate that. Thank you.

So before World War II, Poland collaborated with Hitler and although it did not yield to Hitler’s demands, it still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia, together with Hitler. As the Poles had not given the Danzig Corridor to Germany, had went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War II* by attacking them.

[* WWII was started by Britain and France declaring war on Germany, after the German invasion of Poland.]

Why was it Poland against whom the war started on first September 1939? Poland turned out to be uncompromising and Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with Poland.

By the way, the USSR — I have read some archived documents — behaved very honestly. It asked Poland’s permission to transit its troops through the Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia. But the then Polish foreign minister said that if the Soviet planes flew over Poland, they would be downed over the territory of Poland. But that doesn’t matter.

What matters is that the war begun and Poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against Czechoslovakia. This under the well known Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. A part of the territory, including western Ukraine, was to be given to Russia. Thus, Russia, which was then named the USSR, regained its historical lands.

After the victory in the Great Patriotic War, as we call World War II, all those territories were ultimately enshrined as belonging to Russia. To the USSR.

As for Poland, it received, apparently in compensation, the lands which had originally been German. The eastern parts of Germany, these are now western lands of Poland. Of course, Poland regained access to the Baltic Sea and Danzig, which was once again given its Polish name.

So this was how this situation developed. In 1922, when the USSR was being established, the Bolsheviks started building the USSR and established the Soviet Ukraine, which had never existed before.

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Tucker Carlson: Right.

Vladimir Putin: Stalin insisted that those republics be included in the USSR as autonomous entities. For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR.

And again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established Soviet Republic of Ukraine, some of the lands, together with people living there, even though those lands had never been called Ukraine, and yet they were made part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine.

Those lands included the Black Sea region, which was received under Catherine and the Great, and which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever! Even if we go as far back as 1654, when these lands returned to Russian Empire, that territory was the size of three to four regions of modern Ukraine with no Black Sea region. That was completely out of the question

Tucker Carlson: In 1654?

Vladimir Putin: Exactly!

Tucker Carlson: You obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region. But why didn’t you make this case for the first, 22 years as president that Ukraine wasn’t a real country?

Vladimir Putin: The Soviet Union was given a great deal of territory that had never belonged to it, including the Black Sea region.

At some point when Russia received them as an outcome of the Russo-Turkish wars, they were called “New Russia” or “Novorossiya”. But that does not matter. What matters is that Lenin, the founder of the Soviet state, established Ukraine that way.

For decades, the Ukrainian Soviet Republic developed as part of the USSR. And for unknown reasons, again, the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainianization. It was not merely because the Soviet leadership was composed to a great extent of those originating from Ukraine. Rather, it was explained by the general policy of indigenization pursued by the Soviet Union. Same things were done in other Soviet Republics. This involved promoting national languages and national cultures, which is not bad in principle. That is how the Soviet Ukraine was created.

After World War II Ukraine received, in addition to the lands that had belonged to Poland before the war, part of the lands that had previously belonged to Hungary and Romania. So Romania and Hungary had some of their lands taken away and given to the Soviet Ukraine, and they still remain part of Ukraine. So in this sense we have every reason to affirm that Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at Stalin’s will.

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Tucker Carlson: Do you believe Hungary has a right to take its land back from Ukraine, and that other nations have a right to go back to their 1654 borders?

Vladimir Putin: I’m not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders. But given Stalin’s time, so-called “Stalin’s Regime”, which as many claim, saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of the rights of other states, one may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs while having no right to do that. It is at least understandable.

Tucker Carlson: Have you told Viktor Orban that he can have part of Ukraine?

Vladimir Putin: Never! I have never told him, not a single time! We have not even had any conversation on that.

But I actually know for sure that Hungarians who live there wanted to get back to their historical land.

Moreover, I would like to share a very interesting story with you. I digress, it’s a personal one. Somewhere in the early eighties, I went on a road trip in a car from then Leningrad across the Soviet Union through Kiev, made a stop in Kiev and then went to western Ukraine. I went to the town of Beregovoy. And all the names of towns and villages there were in Russian and in the language I did not understand, in Hungarian. In Russian and in Hungarian. Not in Ukrainian, in Russian and in Hungarian.

I was driving through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing black three-piece suits and black cylinder hats. I asked:

“Are they some kind of entertainers?”

I was told:

“No, they were not entertainers. They are Hungarians.”

I said:

“What are they doing here?

 

“What do you mean? This is their land. They live here.”

This was during the Soviet time in the 1980s. They preserved the Hungarian language, Hungarian names and all their national costumes. They are Hungarians, and they feel themselves to be Hungarians. And of course when now there is an infringement, …

Tucker Carlson: And there’s a lot of that, though I think many nations are upset about Transylvania as well, as you obviously know. But many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back 1,000 years. The ones that you mentioned.

But the fact is that you didn’t make this case in public until two years ago, February. And in the case that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the West in NATO, including potentially a nuclear threat, and that’s what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization of what you said?

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Vladimir Putin: I understand that my long speech probably falls outside of the genre of the interview. That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have a serious talk, or a show? [Tucker bursts out chuckling] You said “a serious talk”, so bear with me, please.

We’re coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.

Then, in 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed, and everything that Russia had generously bestowed on Ukraine was dragged away by the latter.

I’m coming to a very important point of today’s agenda.

Tucker Carlson: Thank you.

Vladimir Putin: After all, the collapse of the Soviet Union was effectively initiated by the Russian leadership. I do not understand what the Russian leadership was guided by at the time, but I suspect there were several reasons to think everything would be fine.

First, I think that then Russian leadership believed that the fundamentals of the relationship between Russia and Ukraine were in fact a common language. More than 90% of the population there spoke Russian. Family ties. Every third person there had some kind of family or friendship ties. Common culture, common history. Finally, common faith, coexistence with a single state for centuries and deeply interconnected economies. All of these were so fundamental. All these elements together make our good relationships inevitable.

The second point is a very important one. I want you as an American citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well. The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist, and therefore there were no longer any ideological dividing lines. Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the Soviet Union and believed that this would be understood by the so-called “civilized West” as an invitation for co-operation and association. That is what Russia was expecting, both from the United States and the so-called “collective West” as a whole.

There were smart people, including in Germany. Egon Bahr, a major politician of the Social Democratic Party, who insisted in his personal conversations with the Soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the Soviet Union that a new security system should be established in Europe. Help should be given to unify Germany, but a new system should be also established to include the United States, Canada, Russia, and other central European countries.

Tucker Carlson: Yep.

Vladimir Putin: But NATO needs not to expand. That’s what he said. If NATO expands, everything would be just the same as during the Cold War, only closer to Russia’s borders. That’s all! He was a wise old man, but no one listened to him.

In fact, he got angry once:

“If, (he said) you don’t listen to me, I’m never setting my foot in Moscow!”

Once again, everything happened just as he had said.

Tucker Carlson: Well, of course, it did come true. And you’ve mentioned this many times. I think it’s a fair point. And many in America thought that relations between Russia and the United States would be fine with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the end of the cold War, but the opposite happened.

But you’ve never explained why you think that happened, except to say that the West fears a strong Russia. But we have a strong China, the West does not seem very afraid of. What about Russia, do you think, convinced policymakers they had to take it down?

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Vladimir Putin: The West is afraid of strong China more than it fears a strong Russia, because Russia has 150,000,000 people, and China has 1.5 billion population, and it’s economy is growing by leaps and bounds, or 5% a year. It used to be even more, but that’s enough for China.

As Bismarck once put it, potentials are the most important. China’s potential is enormous. It is the biggest economy in the world today in terms of purchasing power parity and the size of the economy. It has already overtaken the United States quite a long time ago, and it is growing at a rapid clip. Let’s not talk about who is afraid of whom. Let’s not reason in such terms.

And let’s get into the fact that after 1991, when Russia expected that it would be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilized nations, nothing like this happened.

You tricked us! I don’t mean you personally when I say “you”. Of course I’m talking about the United States. The promise was that NATO would not expand eastward, but it happened five times. There were five waves of expansion. We tolerated all that. We were trying to persuade them. We were saying:

“Please don’t. We are as bourgeois now as you are. We are market economy and there is no Communist Party power. Let’s negotiate.”

Moreover, I have also said this publicly before. There was a moment when a certain rift started growing between us. Before that, Yeltsin came to the United States. Remember, he spoke in Congress and said the good words, “God bless America!”. Everything he said were signals:

“Let us in!”

Remember the developments in Yugoslavia before Yeltsin was lavished with praise.

As soon as the developments in Yugoslavia started, he raised his voice in support of Serbs, and we couldn’t but raise our voices for Serbs in their defense. I understand that there were complex processes underway there. I do. But Russia could not help raising its voice in support of Serbs, because Serbs are also a special and close to us nation with Orthodox culture, and so on.

It’s a nation that has suffered so much for generations. Well, regardless, what is important is that Yeltsin expressed his support. What did the United States do? In violation of an international law and the UN charter, it started bombing Belgrade. It was the United States that led the genie out of the bottle.

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Moreover, when Russia protested and expressed its resentment, what was said?:

“The UN Charter and international law have become obsolete.”

Now everyone invokes international law. But at that time, they started saying that everything was outdated. Everything had to be changed. Indeed, some things need to be changed as the balance of power has changed. It’s true, but not in this manner.

Yeltsin was immediately dragged through the mud, accused of alcoholism, of understanding nothing, of knowing nothing. He understood everything, I assure you.

Well, I became President in 2000. I thought:

“Okay, the Yugoslav issue is over, but we should try to restore relations. Let’s reopen the door that Russia had tried to go through.”

And moreover, I said it publicly. I can reiterate. At a meeting here in the Kremlin with the outgoing president, Bill Clinton, right here in the next room. I said to him, I asked him:

“Bill, do you think if Russia asked to join NATO, do you think it would happen?”

Suddenly he said:

“You know, it’s interesting. I think so.”

But in the evening when we met for dinner, he said:

“You know, I’ve talked to my team. No, no, it’s not possible now.”

You can ask him. I think he will watch our interview. He’ll confirm it. I wouldn’t have said anything like that if it hadn’t happened. Okay, well, it’s impossible now.

Tucker Carlson: Were you sincere? Would you have joined NATO?

Vladimir Putin: Look! I asked the question, is it possible or not? And the answer I got was, no. If I was insincere in my desire to find out what the leadership position was, …

Tucker Carlson: But if he had said yes, would you have joined NATO?

Vladimir Putin: If he had said yes, the process of rapprochement would have commenced, and eventually it might have happened, if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners. But it didn’t happen. Well, no means no! Okay, fine.

Tucker Carlson: Why do you think that is? Just to get to motive. I know you’re clearly bitter about it. I understand, but why do you think the West rebuffed you then? Why the hostility? Why did the end of the Cold War not fix the relationship? What motivates this from your point of view?

Vladimir Putin: You said I was bitter about the answer. No, it’s not bitterness. It’s just a statement of fact. We’re not bride and groom. Bitterness, resentment, it’s not about those kind of matters in such circumstances. We just realized we weren’t welcome there, that’s all. Okay, fine. But let’s build relations in another manner. Let’s work for common ground elsewhere.

Why we received such a negative response? You should ask your leaders. I can only guess why. Too big a country with its own opinion and so on. In the United States, I have seen how issues are being resolved in NATO.

I will give you another example now concerning Ukraine. The US leadership exerts pressure, and all NATO members obediently vote, even if they do not like something.

Now, I’ll tell you what happened in this regard with Ukraine in 2008. Although it’s being discussed, I’m not going to open a secret to you, say anything new.

Nevertheless, after that, we tried to build relations in different ways.

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For example, the events in the Middle East, in Iraq. We were building relations with the United States in a very soft, prudent, cautious manner. I repeatedly raised the issue that the United States should not support separatism or terrorism in the north Caucasus, but they continue to do it anyway. And political support, information support, financial support, even military support came from the United States and its satellites for terrorist groups in the caucuses.

I once raised this issue with my colleague, also the President of the United States. He said:

“It’s impossible. Do you have proof?”

I said:

“Yes.”

I was prepared for this conversation, and I gave him that proof. He looked at it, and, you know what he said?:

“I apologize, but that’s what happened.”

I’ll quote. He says: