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Christopher Bollyn

 

Tricked into War: Israeli Zionist Government was

 

Behind the 9/11 Attack

 

Thu, Sep 20, 2018

 


[In this 2018 presentation Christopher Bollyn, an American investigative journalist and author of several books on 9/11 sets out in detail, naming names, on why and how Israel carried out the, years in preparation, false flag attack 9/11, i.e., to unleash The War OF Terror on the Middle East using American blood and treasure.

Some points Bollyn makes, include:

Is an author of books on 9/11 and the War on Terror.

9/11 and the War on Terror are connected and part of an Israeli plan.

“9/11 was a policy coup” blamed on Muslims to start the War on Terror.

The War on Terror aims to redraw the Middle East map according to Israeli interests.

Menachem Begin, founder of Likud party, is described as “the father of terrorism”.

9/11 was designed to “instill fear and rage in the American population”.

The War on Terror is “the longest and most expensive war, foreign war in US history”.

Trump is quoted: “We have spent $7 trillion in the Middle East. You know what we have for it? Nothing!”

The War on Terror is “based on the official myth of 9/11”.

Wesley Clark is quoted describing a “policy coup” by “hard-nosed people” after 9/11.

The plan is to “take out seven countries in five years” starting with Iraq.

This follows the “Yinon Plan” to break up Arab states into smaller entities.

Hillary Clinton is mentioned as seeking to overthrow Syria’s government “to save Israel”.

Asks “Is the United States waging Israel’s wars?”

Israel wants to expand from “the Nile river to the Euphrates”.

Christian Zionism is “a big problem” in supporting Israel.

John F. Kennedy was “the last great reformer” who challenged these interests.

Israeli control of airport security.

“9/11 was also a computer crime” involving Israeli software companies.

He suggests “revolutions are not made” with 99% support, but with a critical mass.

Encourages informing local police, community leaders, and churches about 9/11.

Now lives in Sweden after being prosecuted in the US.

His latest book is “The War on Terror: The Plot to Rule the Middle East”.

– KATANA]

 

 

 

 

https://rumble.com/v3kehtc-tricked-into-war-israeli-zionist-government-was-behind-the-911-attack-septe.html

 

 

http://www.bollyn.com/

 

Update, Sep 12, 2025: See also this Substack post with lots of links:

https://binkylarue.substack.com/p/israel-and-elements-of-the-us-government

 

Published on Thu, Sep 20, 2018

 

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Christopher Bollyn: Hello. Good afternoon. My name is Christopher Bollyn. Thank you for coming.

 

 

 

And I want to thank the people that organized this conference today. Today we’re going to do a 58 minutes presentation to keep it within constraints for a video. And I’m talking about “Tricked into War”.

 

 

Now, I’m not going to go into great detail about the 9/11 crime. The details of the 9/11 crime would take up hours and hours of discussion. I’ve talked about 9/11 and the evidence in other videos, and they’re on YouTube. And I’ve written several books about 9/11.

 

 

Today I’m talking about how 9/11 and the War on Terror are connected and linked. This nation has been at war for 17 years. As Donald Trump said the other day, we spent $7 trillion and got nothing for it.

 

 

The United States and Syria are at face to face confrontation in Syria as we speak. Russian planes are being shot down with Israeli involvement, off the coast of Syria. And the media in this country barely touches it. All the media in this country talks about is sexual peccadilloes between Kavanaugh and some girl in high school. They say nothing about the situation in Syria, which is very important.

 

 

So, I’m the author of Solving 9/11. And as I’ve said in previous presentations, Solving 9/11 ends the war! I was an investigative journalist in Washington, DC when 9/11 started. Here I am presenting evidence of the first citizens Grand Jury in Los Angeles.

 

 

And I’m the author of the Solving 9/11 set of books. And the latest book is the War on Terror, which is a very small book about the War on Terror.

 

 

The Solving 9/11 set of books investigate various aspects of the false flag of terror atrocity. But my main focus is who is behind 9/11 and why was it done? This is the book of original articles. This is the latest book. I wrote this last summer, The War on Terror, the Plot to Rule the Middle East.

 

 

911 was a policy coup. It was blamed on Muslims. 9/11 was blamed on Muslims in order to initiate, to start the War on Terror as an operational war. But behind the War on Terror is a covert strategic plan to redraw the map of the Middle East. You might ask yourself, why is the United States in Syria? We have no national interest in Syria. We haven’t had it for a long, long, long time.

 

Yet we have troops there. We’re occupying the third eastern part of the country from the Euphrates river to Iraq. And we have also occupied the southern part of the country where Syria butts up against both Jordan and Iraq. Why are we there? What’s the purpose?

 

 

Well, 9/11 and the War on Terror were both conceived by Israeli Military Intelligence in the 1970s when Menachem Begin, the head of the Likud Party, came to power. Menachem Begin is known as the “father of terrorism”. Here he is.

 

 

He’s the founder of the Likud Party. He was born in Russia, came to Palestine in 42, became leader of the Irgun in 44, which was a terrorist group. Bombed the King David Hotel, killing 93 people. British headquarters in 1946. Then was involved in the massacre of the Dir Yasin village, which was meant to scare the Palestinians to fleeing, which many did. And he created the Likud Party in 1973, became prime minister in 77, and promptly invaded Lebanon in 1978.

 

 

This is the emblem of the Irgun which he was the head of its a jewish terrorist group and it’s connected to the Netanyahu family, because Mr Netanyahu’s father was the director of this movement, the Irgun, and the New Zionist organization since 1940.

 

 

Here is both Mr Begin and Netanyahu. These men are cut from the same cloth. This is the group that they belong to the great group that they have allegiance to is a group of terrorists.

 

In 1974, a British journalist asked Mr Begin, he said:

 

“How does it feel in the light of all that’s going on to be seen as the father of terrorism in the Middle East?”

 

And Begin said:

 

“In the Middle East?”

 

He said:

 

“In all the world!”

 

So he put on himself the mantle of being the father of terrorism in all the world. That’s his words.

 

Well, 9/11 was a false flag terror atrocity that was designed to instill fear and rage in the American population, so that we would accept and we would get behind this War on Terror.

 

 

And I have to say it succeeded very well. 17 years later, we are still involved in the War on Terror. There is virtually no public resistance to it, and there is no political resistance to it.

 

But starting the War on Terror, the open ended War on Terror, was the primary reason for the false flag terror attacks of 9/11.

 

 

911 was a policy coup that brought us a Global War On Terror and a series of disastrous wars across the region. They call it “The Long War”.

 

 

The War on Terror is a suitable title because the War on Terror is the longest and most expensive war, foreign war in us history, yet there is no resistance to it. How can that be? How can the American people be so numb to American war fighting in a dozen countries across the Middle East?

 

Well, the main reason is because it’s out of sight, out of mind. Unless you have family involved in the war, you don’t hear about it on TV. You don’t hear about it on the radio. You don’t read about it in the newspapers. Not like Vietnam. Vietnam, we heard about, we saw pictures on Life magazine. Today we see nothing. Nothing!

 

[05:51]

 

This is what Donald Trump said in April [April 28, 2018]. He said:

 

 

“We have spent $7 trillion. Trillion with a that, $7 trillion in the Middle East. You know what we have for it? Nothing! Nothing!”

 

And he’s absolutely right! As the author of the Art of the Deal, you would think that he would see that this is a very bad deal and rectify it as soon as possible.

 

The War on Terror is all based., … It’s not just a name, it’s an authorization, it’s a title. It’s an authorization and funding. And it was passed two days after 9/11, three days after 9/11, by the Authorization for Use of Military Force, which basically gave the president the authority to wage war against anybody he thought was behind 9/11.

 

 

So these are some of the places where we, where the authorization used military force has been invoked.

 

 

Was Eritrea? Was Somalia? Were they involved in 9/11? Was Libya involved in 9/11? We, of course, heard about Afghanistan. But are all these countries involved in 9/11? No, of course they’re not! But the authorization to use military force based on 9/11 crime has been abused, terribly abused! It opened up the pandora’s box for American open ended war fighting across the Middle East, around the world actually.

 

 

The fraudulent War on Terror is based on the official myth of 9/11. They go hand in hand. The War on Terror is a criminal fraud.

 

 

We are spending about $400 million per person, per US victim of terrorism per year. So for a cause of death, if you have cancer or influenza, you get pennies! This stack of bills would have to be 1,000 times higher to reflect the amount of money that’s being spent per victim of terrorism. Terrorism is not a leading cause of death in this country.

 

 

The War on Terror is an Israeli stratagem pushed by Netanyahu since 1979 to trick the United States into waging war against Israel’s enemies.

 

 

The War on Terror is based on the 9/11 lie. And unfortunately, Donald Trump has adopted that lie. He said in August of 2017:

 

“9/11, the worst terrorist attack in our history, was planned and directed from Afghanistan because that country was ruled by a government that gave comfort and shelter to terrorists.”

 

And he said that as he increased military presence and effort in Afghanistan.

 

 

Wesley Clark, who was running for president, this was the man who ran US military forces in Europe during the Yugoslavia campaign. And he said:

 

“Whether you’re a Democrat, or a Republican, if you’re an American, you ought to be concerned about the strategy of the United States in this region. What is our aim? What is our purpose? Why are we there? Why are Americans dying in this region? That is the issue.”

 

He said:

 

“What happened on 9/11 is that we didn’t have a strategy, we didn’t have bipartisan agreement, we didn’t have American understanding of it, and we had instead a policy coup in this country. A coup! A policy coup! Some hard nosed people took over the direction of American policy, and they never bothered to inform the rest of us.”

 

 

 

He should know. Who’s he talking about? He’s talking about the Zionist neocons. These three people here, Paul Wolfowitz, Dov Zakheim, Douglas Feith. They’re three of the Defense Policy Board members who crafted the policy for the Pentagon that was put into effect after 9/11.

 

 

Here they are a few months after 9/11, meeting with the Israeli Chief of Staff right here, Shaul Mufaz. He’s the highest military person in Israel. And they’re discussing, what will America be doing? Well, Wesley Clark heard about the memo. He got the memo ten days after 9/11. He said:

 

 

“I went through the Pentagon and I saw Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. One of the generals called me in and said, ‘Sir, we’ve made the decision, we’re going to war with Iraq’.”

 

He said:

 

“We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?”

 

“I don’t know.”

 

He said:

 

“I came back a few weeks later and by that time we were bombing Afghanistan. I said, ‘are we still going to war with Iraq?’.”

 

He said:

 

“Oh, sir, it’s much worse than that. We’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off with Iran.”

 

And as you can see from this shopping list of this agenda, all of those countries have been done with the exception of Iran.

 

Now, what’s going on here is that an Israeli plan known as the Yinon Plan, which was articulated in 1982, is being put into effect. So that countries are being balkanized. That is, they’re being broken up into ethnic statelets.

 

 

They’re causing friction between the various ethnic groups, breaking them up into ethnic statelets. That’s the name of the game in Syria. That’s what they did in Iraq. That’s what’s happened in Libya. Etcetera. This is the Israeli plan to dominate the Middle East by breaking up the large Arab states and breaking up their armies and breaking the countries into pieces like Yugoslavia. There will be no competition for Israel, and Israel will have hegemony over the entire region.

 

 

Here’s Hillary Clinton. Some people point out that her emblem here is very reminiscent of 9/11.

 

But in 2012, Secretary of State Clinton wrote that:

 

“The best way to help Israel vis a vis Iran’s nuclear ambitions is to use force in Syria to overthrow the government.”

 

This email proves that the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton sought to overthrow the government of Syria, elected government of Syria, to save Israel, to serve Israel.

 

So if you understand that, you will understand why we are doing what we’re doing in Iran today or in Syria today.

 

I just read an article yesterday that says that the United States presence will continue in Syria beyond the end of the year because the mission has changed. The mission now is to prevent, is to kick Iran out of Syria. So American forces are now in Syria to battle with Iran and push Iran back. Did we choose that? Has Congress chosen that? Has anybody spoken about that? Of course not.

 

[11:43]

 

This photograph is from the Yarmouk, a Palestinian refugee camp in Damascus.

 

 

And this is one of the ways that terrorism is used to destroy the lives of common people. The Palestinians are refugees since 19 47, 48 in Damascus. And what happened is that ISIS was infiltrated into this camp, ISIS, the terror group. And that brought about fire into the camp. Syrian, Russian, American, whoever was fighting against ISIS in this place, and it destroyed the camp. This camp used to house 120,000 people. Today it houses 200.

 

So these Palestinians were made a target, just like the people of Raqqa, Mosul, or any other place. ISIS is the target, and they put that target wherever they want and then destroy everything around the target.

 

 

So the question is, this is from Linda Heard, a British expert in the Middle East. She says, is the United States waging Israel’s wars? She said:

 

“There is one thing that we do know. Oded Yinon’s 1982 Zionist plan for the Middle East is in large part taking shape. Is this coincidence? Was Yinon a psychic? Maybe.”

 

She says:

 

“Alternatively, we in the West are victims of a long held agenda, not of our making, and without a doubt, not in our interests.”

 

 

So we’re waging war for another entity, for another nation, for another interest that’s not ours, and we’re paying for it. Our sons and daughters are fighting it.

 

 

And this is the partition of Palestine. When it happened in 1947, Menachem Begin rejected it. He said:

 

“Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. And Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel, all of it and forever!”

 

This is to give you an idea what Eretz Israel means. It means the land of Israel. And according to people like Menachem Begin, it extends from the Nile river to the Euphrates.

 

 

And this area right here is the Kurdish area, which happens to be occupied by the United States. This is all Syria right here. This is where the United States is occupying one third of Syria.

 

 

These are the various ethnic communities, religions, factions in Iraq and Syria. And from the Yinon plan, Yinon said:

 

“The dissolution of Syria in Iraq is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern Front. The dissolution of the military power of these states serves as the primary short term target.”

 

This is exactly what we did when we went to Iraq first 1991, and then again in 2003, we destroyed the Iraqi military.

 

If you remember, one of the first things that happened is when we got into Iraq, we disbanded the entire military, sent everybody home. No more jobs, no entitlements, nothing!

 

So the military went away. And in Syria, we’ve been trying to do the same thing for the last seven years.

 

 

Now, this is another break here. This area, this area here, periwinkle, is the area of the Kurds. And this area is where most of the oil is. And the United States and Israel are supporting the Kurdish independence. This area here in northern Iraq and this part of northern Syria. And in pursuing that, the largest holder of the reserves in this Kurdistan area of Iraq is a company called Janelle Energy, which is a Rothschild company.

 

So they’re going after the strategic assets. And these two cities, Mosul and Raqqa, were targets of the American anti-terrorist attacks last summer, which destroyed those cities. Destroyed them!

 

 

Here’s Mosul in June of 2017. The great mosque of all Nuri, destroyed in the battle of Mosul. The Americans put our artillery around the cities and just pounded them for months. And that has a price. Here’s Syria, the other city in Raqqa, in Syria, October 2017, at least half the city is totally destroyed.

 

 

Now, here you have to understand that these are on the edge of the Kurdish area. But these cities are, Mosul is the second biggest city in Iraq. They contained a lot. They were inhabited by a lot of Sunni Muslims, and that’s why they were pounded. So we said we were fighting ISIS, but under the pretext of fighting ISIS, we destroyed the cities and pushed a lot of people into become refugees.

 

 

The northern part of both Iraq and Syria are peopled by the Kurds. And this was the leader of the Kurdish movement in Iraq. He resigned shortly after his failed attempt to separate the country.

 

 

But I’m showing you the relationship with Israel. Here’s his father, Mustafa, meeting with the Mossad chief in 1966.

 

 

Here’s his father in Israel, meeting with Moshe Dayan.

 

 

And this is the Israeli flag flying along with the Kurdish flag in a protest, or a rally in Irbil.

 

 

So 9/11 happened. We were very quickly given this narrative, I call it the “Zionist Narrative”, about what happened. And the media has imposed on the public a false story that radical Islamic terrorists were to blame for 9/11.

 

 

Now, the only way to liberate ourselves and our nations from the madness that we’re currently in for 17 years is to expose and understand the true source of the terrorism. If you go away from this presentation or if you believe that Muslims did 9/11 with all nano-thermite and destroying the buildings and fooling the US military, then you will support the logic of war. If you understand we’ve been deceived about 9/11, the logic of war evaporates.

 

What happened after 9/11 is that the media and the government declared it to be an “Act of War”. Now that’s a very important legal term because that meant that there would not be a criminal investigation, but rather we would treat it as an act of war by 19 Arabs, who happened to be supposedly coming from Afghanistan. And based on that logic, we went to war in Afghanistan.

 

[17:37]

 

But Larry Johnson, speaking about the terrorists, or the alleged terrorists in Florida – he is a former director of counter-terrorism in the State Department – he said:

 

“We don’t have anything in history to compare with this. The only thing that comes close to it is a former Soviet intelligence operation.”

 

 

Because these are the 19 led hijackers. But 15 of them lived in Florida, where many of them had been issued duplicate licenses, others had passports had been stolen, which meant that somebody was using their identity for them and leaving behind a trail in their name.

 

 

And we now know from the BBC News shortly after 9/11 that I think seven of them were well, and alive after 9/11. And they said:

 

“My picture is being used. My name is being used, but I’m fine. I’m alive.”

 

 

 

So that raises the question, if at least seven of the hijackers were still alive after 9/11, who were the people playing the roles of the real hijackers? Were there real hijackings? Was it all a show? Well, about the 19 hijackers. Robert Mueller, who was then head of the CIA, FBI, excuse me, said in September 2002, he said:

 

“There is no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers.”

 

 

Now, this is an old Mossad trick. If you read the book The Little Drummer Girl, you’ll see that the Mossad tells the actress who’s leaving a trail for a Palestinian. The Mossad man tells the woman, the actress:

 

“Terror is theater. Theater is a con trick. Do, you know what that means? Con trick? You’ve been deceived.”

 

And that’s what we are as a nation. The whole deception is meant to deceive us.

 

I went to Germany after 9/11, shortly after, because I knew it was dangerous to be pointing out the lies of the government story when the government was going to war.

 

So I went to Germany for a couple years and worked out of Berlin. And I spoke to some of the former German intelligence agents, heads, chiefs, and they told me, this guy told me that it looked like:

 

“A Hollywood production.”

 

 

And he talked about:

 

“The deathly precision and the magnitude of planning would have required years of planning. And the absence of leaks.”

 

He said:

 

“Was further indication that the attacks were state organized actions.”

 

So what state are we talking about?

 

Another German guy, Andreas von Bulow, told me without hesitation:

 

“It’s Israel, Mossad!”

 

But when I wrote that in my newspaper, he was a little bit surprised because he said that:

 

“He told that to every journalist in Germany, but it had never been printed.”

 

And he thought it wouldn’t be printed in my paper as well, but it was printed.

 

So I’m going to point out some of the key connections, Israeli connections to 9/11.

 

 

One of the first ones is that when Israel was becoming a state in 1948, before it became a state, the joint chiefs of Staff did 13 papers about what this would mean for the American military. And they wrote in the 13th paper that:

 

“The Zionist strategy will seek to involve the US in a continuously widening and deepening series of operations intended to secure maximum jewish objectives.”

 

 

And the maximum jewish objectives were:

 

“The expansion of Eretz Israel.”

 

That means the land of Israel:

 

“Into Jordan, Lebanon and Syria and the establishment of jewish military and economic hegemony over the entire Middle East.”

 

 

Well, this is what’s going on today and this is what the United States is facilitating.

 

This is the short list of Israeli terrorism attacks prior to 9/11.

 

In 1944, they killed the British minister, Lord Moyne, in Cairo. This was done by Lehi, or the Stern gang. PIn 46, they sent letter bombs to British officials, including the foreign minister, Ernest Bevin.

 

In 46, they bombed the King David Hotel, killing 93 people. That was British mandate headquarters. It was under the British at that time.

 

 

In 1947, Irgun placed a bomb at the colonial office in London, which failed to detonate.

 

In 47, Lehi sent letter bombs to the Truman White House.

 

In 1948, Irgun and Haganah bombed the Semiramis Hotel, killing 26 people.

 

And in 1948, Irgun and Lehi massacred the entire village of Deir Yasin.

 

That’s all before Israel even became a state. This is the bombing of the King David Hotel. That’s Menachem Begin.

 

 

This was the worst terrorist attack in Israeli-Palestinian history to this point.

 

Then Irgun bombed the British embassy in Rome in October 46.

 

 

So they were global in their reach. They would go to London, they would go to Britain. I mean, they would go to Italy. They would even send bombs to America. They sent bombs to the Truman White House.

 

And this is one of the bombers. This is Yitzhak Shamir. He was the head of Lehi. He was the head of the Stern gang when they killed this man, the UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte, in 1948.

 

 

Now, when Menachem Begin came to the United States in 1948, in December, Albert Einstein penned a letter with, 26 jewish intellectuals about what Americans should know about the Israeli terrorists, the jewish terrorists. He was talking about Menachem Begin’s party at the time. And he said:

 

“The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatsoever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism. Whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character. From its past actions, we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.”

 

 

Bingo.

 

[23:22]

 

Now, if Americans had paid attention to what Einstein told them in 48, we would not have had 9/11, because the same people are involved, the very same party, ideology and people. What happened is that these terrorists, these are the terrorists of zionism. Begin, Shamir, Sharon.

 

 

They came to power in 1977. I happened to live in Israel at the time. And this was a very sad day for Labor people because they said:

 

“This is the day that the terrorists have taken power.”

 

They knew what they were talking about.

 

Then the terrorists went to work right away. Begin invaded Lebanon in 78, and there was a Palestinian attack in Nahariya.

 

And the response was, this man said:

 

“Kill them all!”

 

And they set up a terrorist squad that operated in Lebanon for four years. And this is Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan.

 

 

And he set up an organization called the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners, in which he used car bombs and truck bombs to destroy Palestinian and Syrian targets and to foment conflict between the various ethnic groups of Lebanon. It was very successful. He did it for four years!

 

 

This was revealed in a recent book that came out this year, Rise and Kill First, by an Israeli author named Ronan Bergman, New York Times bestseller. But when they interviewed Ronan Bergman, the New York Times, or when they write about the book, they leave out that little bit of history, that Israel was using a terrorist squad. They would hire, they would recruit people from the Sunni community, the Shiite community, Druze community, to drive the trucks. And then they would blow them up in places that they needed to blow them up.

 

 

Because this is not discussed in American media, because this shows that Israel is a state that has openly practiced terrorism! There’s no question about it. Remember the years 1979 to 1983? And they say:

 

“The aim was to cause chaos amongst the Palestinians and Syrians in Lebanon without leaving an Israeli fingerprint, to give them the feeling that they were constantly under attack and instill them with a sense of insecurity.”

 

This is exactly the same strategy that was applied to Iraq in the 1990s, since the war. Remember car bombs going off every day between the communities, driving the people against each other?

 

And this is exactly what they did to us after 9/11, the bombing in Bali, the bombing in Madrid, the bombing in London, 9/11, so that they went global then, and they wanted to put fear into the entire Western world that were all insecure! And that’s exactly what the terrorism is all about. They want us to feel insecure so that we will support their war agenda.

 

Then in 1983, a nondescript group that had never been heard of before bombed US Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 marines.

 

 

Caspar Weinberger, defense secretary at the time, said:

 

“There is no knowledge, we have no knowledge about who did the bombing.”

 

This is exactly the same time that Israel was doing exactly this. And we now know from Viktor Ostrowski, who wrote Mossadnik, who wrote about Mossad’s actions in a book By Way of Deception. He said that:

 

“Mossad knew the specific time and location of the bombing, but only gave the US skimpy general information, which was worthless.”

 

So they knew about the bomb. They knew what it was going to be, where it was going to be, what the truck looked like, but they didn’t tell us. That’s like, either “let it happen on purpose” or “made it happen on purpose”. And it’s the worst, it’s the largest [single] loss of life among the US Marines since Iwo Jima.

 

 

Here are a couple of Israeli terrorists from the 1950s. Shimon Peres, Pinhas Lavon and Moshe Dayan. These two characters play a big role in Israeli history, especially in the use of false flag terrorism. This photograph was taken a few months after they were busted for the Lavon Affair in Egypt when they put bombs, nitroglycerin bombs, in American libraries and British libraries and cinema theaters and cultural institutions in Cairo, in an attempt to drive the British and the Americans away from Nasser, away from Egypt. But they were caught. And they’re still smiling!

 

 

After it was discovered by the prime minister at the time, Moshe Sherrett. He said that:

 

“Shimon Peres shares the same ideology as Pinhas Lavon. He wants to frighten the West into supporting Israel’s aims.”

 

And this is exactly where we are today. The whole name of the game of the terrorism is to scare us into supporting Israel’s aims, to drive us as a nation, as a people, as a military, right behind the Israel camp, so that we become the fighters of their wars for them, because we are affected by the fear.

 

In 1967, some people would say:

 

“Israel would never do that. They’re our ally.”

 

I would point them to read about the USS Liberty attack in 1967 during the Six Day War in which Israeli planes and boats bombed the USS Liberty, a spy ship, which was in international waters off the coast of Egypt, killing 34 Americans and wounding 171.

 

 

Two thirds of the crew was destroyed, was murdered or injured. It’s the most decorated ship in naval history. And it’s the one subject of this war, the Six Day War that Americans know virtually nothing about because it’s suppressed. Because if Americans understood. The pilots were asked by the ground control:

 

“Identify the ship!”

 

The pilots called back:

 

“It’s American. It’s American!”

 

The order came from the ground:

 

“Sink the ship! No survivors.”

 

Now, if Americans understood that history, which has been revealed since 2006, they would realize that Israel is a state that will attack the United States when it suits their purposes.

 

 

This is an attack in Libya in 1986 in which the United States was tricked. Israel tricked the United States into attacking Libya. They rented an apartment in Tripoli. Then they broadcast radio transmissions to the apartment in Tripoli, which then went up into the satellite. The American signals intelligence picked up the information thinking that it was coming from Libya and then went and attacked Libya. This was when they killed Qaddafi’s daughter and all that, back in 1986.

 

 

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So the War on Terror. I’m going to talk a little bit about how the War on Terror evolved. It’s an Israeli stratagem. How it developed.

 

 

In 1978 is when this all started to come into fruition. In 1978, Israeli intelligence agent Arnon Milchan made his first film called the Medusa Touch, in which a Boeing 747 crashes into the Pan Am building.

 

 

 

Here they are setting up for the film. This is the cover of the book. And here we have the same year he made the film. Here we have Arnon Milchan meeting with Israeli Defense Minister Ezer Weizman.

 

So you can see he’s at the very highest level of the Israeli military. They’re making a movie predicting something that’s going to happen in the future.

 

 

Here he is. He’s a big Hollywood producer. Made JFK, Pretty Woman, Brazil, other films. He’s said to be worth $5 billion.

 

But the point is, if you read the book about Arnon Milchan called Confidential, you’ll see that he is the external banker who controls the slush funds that Mossad uses for external operations. That’s where the money comes from.

 

And he made this film in the year 2000. Well, his partner, his business partner, a man named Rupert Murdoch, who owns Fox News, Rupert Murdoch’s company, made this film in 2,000 in which a Boeing passenger aircraft is flown into the World Trade Center.

 

 

And this aired on TV. This plane in the movie was a half an hour film, worth watching. It’s called The Lone Gunman, pilot episode. And in this movie, the plane is remotely hijacked with passengers on it. And the blame is put on the American Military Industrial Complex, looking for a new enemy.

 

 

In 1979, the head, this is one year later. The head of Israeli intelligence, this man, Isser Harel, predicted that:

 

“The Arabs would attack the tallest building in New York City.”

 

He made that prediction to this man, Michael Evans, a Zionist, a jewish Christian Evangelist from Texas. And Harel predicted that the Arab terrorists would attack the tallest building in New York City. That was 22 years before 9/11.

 

 

And you see the relationship here between Mr Evans and Menachem Begin. The prediction went like this. You know, they were meeting, and Mr Evans said:

 

“Do you think that terrorism will come to America? And if so, where and why?”

 

 

This is 1979. Harel said:

 

“I fear it will come to you in America. America has the power, but not the will to fight terrorism.”

 

Et cetera, et cetera.

 

As to the where, Harel said:

 

“New York City is a symbol of freedom and capitalism. It’s likely they will attack. They will strike the empire State Building, your tallest building, and symbol of your power.”

 

He pretended to be ignorant about the tallest building.

 

 

And in 1979, this man, Bibi Netanyahu, came back from his., … He had been working in Boston for a Rothschild company called Boston Consulting Group, in Boston. He went back, this is his father. And they started something called the Netanyahu Institute, in which they began promoting the idea of:

 

“Terrorism being the scourge that the West has to fight.”

 

And they had a conference in 1979 called The Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism. They blamed all the terrorism in the world on Russia, on the Soviet Union. And George Bush spoke on the third day at the final conference and spoke in support of these pre-emptive strikes against nations that are supporting terrorism.

 

 

And Begin, I mean, Mr Netanyahu went on to make a career promoting the War on Terrorism. Terrorism, How The West Can Win, Fighting Terrorism, and calling for the United States to come to the Middle East to wage war against those terrorist entities that were plaguing Israel. Because Netanyahu logic goes like this. He says that:

 

“Israel is attacked because the Arabs are opposed to our Western identity, our Western values, our Western way of life. We’re a Western nation.”

 

He says, and:

 

“Therefore the West is the target. Therefore it’s incumbent on the West to come and fight the terrorists for us, because we’re all the target.”

 

 

So what they did in 1983, in order to have a War on Terror, you need to have a foe. So they created the foe. They created the foe in Pakistan using a guy named Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who was a very anti-Western militia group he had called Hezb-I-Islami. And the CIA and the Saudis bankrolled the operation. And Israelis trained and armed these people in Pakistan.

 

 

It was done in 1983, in 85. It began when this man, Ehud Barak, was the head of Israeli Military Intelligence. And they sent their men and weapons they had taken off the battlefield of Lebanon, took them to Pakistan and trained these characters, people like Osama Bin Laden, in the arts of terrorism. How to make a bicycle bomb and a car bomb and how to fight urban battles against the Russians. These jihadis were meant to fight against the Russians, the Red Army in Afghanistan.

 

 

And in 1983 it was done by Charlie Wilson, this Congressman from Texas. He’s the one who led the whole thing. And he arranged with the Israelis to provide the weapons and the trainers in Pakistan. And this is him shaking hands with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.

 

But the question is, why would the United States and Britain, why would they be funding and training the most anti-Western of the Mujahideen? This man was rabidly anti-Western. Why would you do that? Because they were creating the boogeyman. They were creating the enemy for the next War on Terror, which was Al-Qaeda. And it was done.

 

 

This is the man. This is Zvi Rafiah, the head of Israeli Intelligence in Washington, DC. And he was this man’s handler, Charlie Wilson’s handler. And this man, Zvi Rafiah, used Charlie Wilson’s office as if it were his own office.

 

 

And this is the Hebrew speaking double agent named Ali Mohamed, who was Osama Bin Laden’s first trainer.

 

[35:33]

 

Now, he’s supposedly Egyptian, but he speaks fluent Hebrew. Where did he learn the Hebrew? He’s a double agent. So he was working with the Israelis, training Osama Bin Laden. And this guy, he set up the cell that bombed the US embassies in Africa. He trained the men who were blamed for bombing the World Trade Center in 1993. And he trained the men who killed Rabbi Kahane in New York City.

 

And then he was finally arrested and put in jail for bombing the embassies in Africa. He was put in a federal penitentiary in this country, from which he disappeared without a trace.

 

 

And this is the Gulbuddin’s gang. This is when they became Al-Qaeda. In 1994, the Arabs became Al-Qaeda and the Pashtun speakers became Taliban. Then Israeli Mossad got the contract for the World Trade Center in 1987. Security contract, anti-terrorism security contract.

 

 

And it went to this man, Avraham Shalom Bendor. He was the head of Shin Bet. He was involved in a murder in Palestine, in Israel of a couple Palestinians. And he came to America and was the president of this company Atwell Security who got the contract for the World Trade Center.

 

 

But when the Port Authority discovered, this is Zvi Malkin and Shalom Bendor, when the Port Authority discovered that this man was using a fake name and he’d been convicted of murder in Israel, they tore up the contract. Had they not torn up the contract in 1987, 9/11 probably would have happened in the 1980s or early 1990s. But they were rejected by the Port Authority.

 

 

They didn’t go home to Israel. They didn’t give up the plan. They went to work for a couple American jews who did have inside in the Pentagon, Maurice Greenberg and Jules Kroll. And Jules Kroll had a company called Kroll Associates who got the security contract for the World Trade Center in 1993, after the first bombing.

 

And at that point, Shalom Bendor was working for him.

 

 

And in 1992, this son of a terrorist. This is Rahm Emanuel, Mayor of Chicago right now. His father was a member of that Stern Gang, the Lehi Gang. This man became the senior advisor to Bill Clinton. This is the guy that set up the whole Lewinsky thing. But he was also instrumental. He was the Mossad’s man in the White House, so that he made sure that the right people got appointed to the bench. The right appointments were made of under Clinton to make the 9/11 project move forward. And his father was a member of Lehi. He served in the Israeli army, yet he was the senior advisor to the White House.

 

 

This is the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. And in this case, Michael Chertoff was the US Attorney for the District of New Jersey. He played a key role in the prosecution in which Muslims were blamed for the bombing. The six people were killed. Chertoff oversaw the prosecution. And Mukasey, Judge Mukasey, oversaw the actual trial.

 

 

And in the trial, the FBI, who was involved in actually making the truck bomb, they paid this man $1 million.

 

 

This is another Egyptian colonel. This man was the guy who ran the sting operation in which these guys were stung. And he used wires and recorded so that they became indictable. And he testified. He was paid $1 million. This guy, Emad Salem, was paid $1 million to testify against these other fellows that he had rounded up. And then he went into the witness protection program, you know, new name, new face.

 

 

And then this ideation of the War on Terror, or of the 9/11 came out in this article in Foreign Affairs, in which Philip Zelikow, John Deutch and Ashton Carter wrote about “Catastrophic Terrorism”, how this would be something that:

 

“Could happen next month!”

 

And in this article, they had a study group. They imagined the “transforming event”. They imagined the event, like 9/11, that would change America, fundamentally change our policies, our foreign policy, our domestic policy, change the nation. This was printed in Christmas 1998.

 

 

Two of the authors, Ashton Carter and John Deutch, worked for a company called Global Technology Partners, which is an exclusive affiliate of Rothschild North America. I point out these Rothschild connections because there are throughout the entire saga. You find that one step removed from the crime, you find a Rothschild, a Rothschild connection. And the Rothschilds are, of course, the bankers that control our Federal Reserve system and other countries central banks.

 

 

So, 9/11, the New Pearl Harbor. The Zionist neocons had called for a New Pearl Harbor in order to effect the change they needed to see.

 

 

This is the Project for a New American Century run by the Kagan family. These are some of the signatories to the document. And they had imagined that this revolutionary change that they saw turning America into the global police force:

 

“Would require a catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a New Pearl Harbor.”

 

 

And in 2001, an Israeli Mossad company, Rothschild company, called ICTS, controlled security at the US airports. And these are the three principles. Here is Yitzhak Shamir’s son, Yair Shamir. This is Cukierman, and this is Boaz Harel. They ran the company that either let these guys on the airplane, or didn’t. But their company was excused from the process. And so we’ll never know unless we have some change in the attitude about 9/11.

 

[41:04]

 

 

And then in July 2001, Zionists, that’s strong supporters of Israel, got the lease for the World Trade Center. It became their property. And that was done through a man named Ron Lauder, the son of Este Lauder.

 

 

 

And in Israel, he works together with Major General Daniel Rothschild at Mossad University. He has a school there, and he runs the Institute for Policy and Strategy. This man was put in charge of privatizing New York property for Governor Pataky. He oversaw the privatization efforts of New York State in which they decided to privatize the World Trade Center, because the World Trade Center was public property prior to 9/11.

 

 

And then it went from the port authority. This man, Lew Eisenberg, he transferred after negotiations, the property to this man, Larry Silverstein. But these men are connected through something called the UJA Federation of New York, which is a Zionist fundraising operation, where he’s the national chairman and he is on the board of the Planning Board.

 

 

And again, Larry Silverstein, the man who got the World Trade Center lease for 99 years is this man here. He had weekly phone calls every Sunday afternoon with Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

 

Then on July 24, 2001, he got the keys to the front door of the World Trade Center.

 

 

This is what was left five weeks later.

 

 

On 9/11 Ehud Olmerttt, Israel’s Deputy Prime Minister, was on a secret visit to New York City.

 

 

This was taken about two weeks later, but he was there on September 10 and September 11 in New York City.

 

 

Here he is with Netanyahu. By the way, he wound up spending a couple years in jail recently for bribery.

 

 

Here he is after he came back from his ten days away in Israel, he came back to the United States.

 

And since New York City and Jerusalem are sister cities, and he was the Mayor of Jerusalem and the Deputy Prime Minister of Israel, he acted like the Big Brother to Rudy Giuliani.

 

 

But on September 11, when all civilian flights were grounded in this country, one full El Al Boeing 747 took off from JFK bound for Tel Aviv. The flight departed at 4:11 pm with US military officials on the scene authorizing and clearing the flight for takeoff. Who was on that plane? Well, obviously, Ehud Olmertt was one of the people on the plane.

 

This is about the Put Options. You may have heard about the Put Options in which people profited by knowing that the stocks of the airlines and insurance companies would tank on 9/11. And 95% of these options were put by this man’s former company.

 

 

Now this man is “Buzzy” Krongard. And on 9/11, he was executive director of the CIA. But before he became executive director of the CIA, he was the director of Alex Brown, the company that placed the put options.

 

 

And here’s the relationship between Alvin Krongard, Alvin Krongard and his wife. And his wife works directly with Rothschild Asset Management.

 

And then there were thousands of Israelis who were warned about 9/11, and there were 4,000 who were expected to have been at [in the area of] the World Trade Center that day, or the Pentagon.

 

 

And that comes from the Israeli Foreign Ministry. That’s not Arab propaganda. It’s from the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

 

And apparently they got the message through a system called Odigo, which warned people who had that Israeli system of messaging not to go to the World Trade Center that day. The warning message went out about two or 3 hours before it happened. It warned people:

 

“Not to be at the World Trade Center at 8:45 because all hell would break loose.”

 

 

So apparently those 4,000 Israelis who avoided harm got the message, they got the memo.

 

 

And then there were these “Five Dancing Israeli” who were seen celebrating and high fiving the attack at the World Trade Center before [after] the first plane struck. They were on the New Jersey side of the river, and they were photographing and high fiving, and they were observed, and they were arrested on the afternoon of 9/11. It was written about in the New Jersey newspapers, but it was not reported in any other paper outside of New Jersey.

 

 

The two men that did not appear, they’re on a TV show. These three guys are on TV show. They said:

 

“We’re not Mossad!”

 

No, because the two Mossad guys are sitting in the audience. The Kurtzberg brothers were sitting in the audience because they could not go up on the stage and say:

 

“We’re not Mossad.”

 

They are Mossad. And US law enforcement knew it from the minute they arrested these guys that they were Mossad.

 

And one of the guys, this is one of the minions, he said:

 

“Our purpose was to document the event.”

 

Here’s the head of the company behind these foster grants here, Dominik Suter. He fled the country on the 12th or the 13th, and when the FBI went to get him again, he was gone.

 

And this is one of the trucks of their company. They had this truck that was reported by New York police, Urban Moving Systems. It wasn’t a moving company at all! It was a front company. It was set up to facilitate the 9/11 attacks. And they had this truck with the picture of the World Trade Center being struck by a plane.

 

Now on 9/11, when it happened, in the studio, the London studio, the BBC, world television, the largest English speaking broadcasting in the world, who was there except Ehud Barak! Ready to give the interpretation. Remember, the General, Wesley Clark said:

 

“We did not have American understanding of it.”

 

No, what he’s implying is that we had:

 

“A foreign country’s understanding of it.”

 

We had Israeli understanding. The Israelis interpreted 9/11 for us.

 

 

This man, the head of former Defense Minister, Chief of Staff, he said:

 

“The world will never be the same from today on! We know who’s behind this, Osama Bin Laden, and we know where he is!”

 

He said:

 

“It’s time to launch an operational, concrete war against terror, full stop!”

 

[46:46]

 

And that’s what we’ve been doing for the last 17 years, following the Israeli diktat! Living our lives according to the Israeli interpretation of 9/11. That’s what they’ve imposed on us. They’ve imposed a Zionist narrative to explain what happened on 9/11.

 

 

Here’s Bibi Netanyahu. And on 9/11, he praised the attacks because they had kickstarted his War on Terror that he’d been pushing uphill for the last, 20 years.

 

 

He told the New York Times. He was asked:

 

“How will this affect American Israeli relations?”

 

He said:

 

“It’s very good!”

 

When 30,000 people are expected to be in the pile, he said:

 

“It’s very good. It will generate immediate sympathy.”

 

And the relationship between Netanyahu and Barak is that Barak was his commander in the Sayeret Matkal, a covert commando force of Israeli military intelligence.

 

 

And Bibi Netanyahu spoke the next day, September 12, in Jerusalem.

 

 

He said:

 

“We must build a coalition against terror today. It’s time to take on the militant Islamic regimes with a great deal of strength. We should crush the terrorist infrastructure that threatens the entire free world.”

 

Yet if you look at the coalition that’s put together in Syria or in Iraq, you will never find the Israeli flag, because the Israelis are the ones who are running the operation, but keep their fingers out of it.

 

But you see now in Syria, you see the Israelis are now bombing every day. They’re attacking Syria on a daily basis. And they were the ones who actually got the Russian plane shot down.

 

Their four fighters came over and were striking Syria, putting the slow moving Russian reconnaissance plane in the middle, and it got shot.

 

And he also said, Netanyahu said in 2001, he said:

 

“I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.”

 

That’s what they’re doing to us. They’re pulling us around like an ox with a ring in its nose. And he said:

 

“We are benefiting.”

 

This is him speaking to an Israeli audience.

 

 

He said:

 

“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the twin towers, the Pentagon and the American struggle in Iraq.”

 

He said that in 2008.

 

 

And then there was an Israeli son of the Mossad who controlled the 9/11 investigation.

 

 

This is the man, Michael Chertoff. He was put in charge of the investigation, which became a non-investigation in which the evidence was destroyed. And for day to day decisions, Chertoff had the last word.

 

 

Then he became Homeland Security Czar in 2005. In this position, he maintained his control of the evidence of 9/11.

 

 

Controlling the evidence, destroying the evidence, was a key aspect of his work. And the evidence was destroyed from the day one. This is some of the steel that was piled up. That was a big steel pile of steel.

 

 

And they began right away carting the steel off to a couple Zionist junkyards where it was destroyed 24/7. Cut into small pieces, mixed with other scrap and sent to Asia for destruction.

 

Because the steel would provide evidence of what really caused the towers to fall.

 

 

And then the Zionists presided over the 9/11 lawsuits and litigation. This is the judge, Alvin K. Hellerstein. There was a fundamental conflict of interest, though.

 

 

His son worked for a law firm in Israel that represented ICTS, the company that was overseeing security at the airports on 9/11 in Boston, in Newark, in Dulles. Here’s the relationship.

 

 

His son was working for a company that was the parent company of ICTS. And that same group of people, ICTS, was in the tort litigation that he oversaw for the families of 9/11. That’s a primary conflict of interest. And the Zionists also oversaw the settlements of the money.

 

 

This man dished out the money for the first, 2,900 families. His name is Kenneth Feinberg, very high level Zionist. This is Sheila Birnbaum. She oversaw the war of attrition against the 96 families. There are 96 families who held out for a day in court. They never got it. One by one, they were settled out of court.

 

And the Zionist control the 9/11 myth and the legacy. This is the Ground Zero. This is the World Trade Center memorial.

 

 

And they control the interpretation of the event was given to us by this 9/11 Commission Report by this man, Philip Zelikow, who’s an expert at creating public myths.

 

 

And he came to the table as Executive Director of the Commission with a complete outline already finished, before the staff even began working.

 

So he had prepared the myth in advance. Then they would pick information that they would put into the myth to make it work.

 

 

But the people who worked on the 9/11 Commission, like the senior counsel John Farmer, said that:

 

“What government and military officials told Congress, the Commission, the media and the public about who knew what when, was almost entirely and inexplicably untrue.”

 

Here are the co-chairmen of the Commission Report.

 

 

They said:

 

“To this day, we don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us. It was just so far from the truth!”

 

So these are the people who actually wrote the report or worked on the report telling you that it’s a pack of lies!

 

Then the Israelis constructed the memorial, the legacy, where the kids go in the school buses and get the walk around and go to the museum.

 

 

The World Trade Center memorial was designed by an Israeli, this man here, Michael Arad, who’s the son of Moshe Arad, the former Israeli ambassador of the United States.

 

 

So from A to Z, from ideation to legacy, it’s all been an Israeli project. For 17 years the media has given us this story, a false narrative about 9/11 and the War on Terror, all the while suppressing real evidence that disproves the official myth.

 

 

Like the molten metal that poured off the building. Like the molten metal that was found in the basement of the World Trade Center. Like the tiny droplets of molten iron that were found in the dust. Because the attitude of the media has been this is from three years later. New York Times.

 

 

“In the three years since 9/11, we’ve begun to understand that it’s possible to know what happened without knowing what happened.”

 

That’s their position! We don’t need to know!

 

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GorgonIII
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I have linked to a lot of Bolly’s work on 9/11 in this substack essay: Israel and elements of the US government did 9/11 https://binkylarue.substack.com/p/israel-and-elements-of-the-us-government
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[Bonnie Faulkner from “Guns and Butter” interviews (Dec, 2019) Christopher Bollyn, the investigative reporter who has been studying 9-11 from day one, and is the author of “Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed the World” and his recent book, “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”.

Christopher Bollyn’s work proves beyond any doubt that 9-11 was carried out by organized jewry through Israel and zionists within the US, to create their “War on Terror“, aka, “War OF Terror“, in order to justify the smashing of Arab countries, and others, per the Oded Yinon Plan, as part of a scheme to create a “Greater Israel” domination over the Middle East, as well as their larger New World Order agenda involving the further subjugation of all White countries.

 

— KATANA]

 

 

 

 

 

Guns and Butter Interviews

 

Christopher Bollyn

 

The War on Terror

Dec 18, 2019

 

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Published on Dec 18, 2019

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The War on Terror: The Plot to Rule the Middle East

Guest: Christopher Bollyn

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Guest: Christopher Bollyn

The 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF); 9/11 declared ‘an act of war’; major military operations conducted in eight countries; General Wesley Clark reveals a ‘policy coup’; Oded Yinon Plan for the Middle East; official 9/11 narrative a deception; media treatment of 9/11; the 1979 Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism; the Jonathan Institute; the Lavone Affair; 9/11 predicted; Hollywood film producer and Mossad operative Arnon Milchan; predictive programming; theft of nuclear material; Robert Maxwell, Ptech and Promis; historical roots of 9/11 and the war on terror; creation of the foe in the war on terror; Ali Mohammad; origin of terrorist videos; 9/11 memorial; trillions spent on the war on terror; constitutional treason; foreign and domestic effects of the war on terror; who benefits from the war on terror, America’s longest war.

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TRANSCRIPT

(8,425 words  – 54 mins)

 

 

G&B: This is Guns and Butter.

 

[Intro music]

 

[00:15]

 

“Bollyn: It’s enterprise software, that not only gives access to everything that’s going on in the network, in real-time, but it gives you surveillance and the ability to intervene cc to do something, to change something. And this would explain, for example, why the American military was unable to respond effectively to the hijackings on 9/11.”

 

G&B: I’m Bonnie Faulkner. Today on Guns and Butter, Christopher Bollyn. Today’s show: “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”.

 

Christopher Bollyn is an independent researcher, investigative journalist, and author. He spent three years traveling extensively throughout Europe and the Middle East. He studied Egyptian, Biblical Hebrew, and Norwegian, at the University of Oslo. He is a graduate of the University of California in history, with an emphasis on Israel-Palestine.

 

Along with research and writing, he has worked as an editor and translator. His travels and studies of German, Spanish, Norwegian, Swedish, Hebrew, and Arabic languages, have helped him analyze international politics and events.

 

He is the author of “Solving 9/11 — The Deception That Changed the World”, “Solving 9/11 — The Articles”, and “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”. His newest book, out on September 11th, 2019, is “Solving 9/11 — The Articles Vol II.

 

Christopher Bollyn, welcome!

 

Bollyn: Thank you. It’s nice to be with you.

 

 

G&B: You begin your book “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East” with a quote from then President George White Bush, one week after the attacks of September 11th. Quote:

 

“This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.”

 

Unquote. At the same time Congress passed the “Authorization to Use Military Force”. What does this authorization to use military force authorize the President to do?

 

Bollyn: Well it’s an open-ended funding and authorization. Which allows the President to basically wage war against anybody he deems to have been involved in the terror attacks of 9/11, or to be harboring anybody who was involved in the terrorist attacks of 9/11. So it provides the money, and the political authorization, to wage war based on the President’s decision that that entity was involved in September 11.

 

 

G&B: And this authorization to use military force is not just against other countries, but organizations, and individuals, right?

 

Bollyn: Right. Anybody that he sees to have been in some way involved in the terror attacks of 9/11. And that could be also a country like Afghanistan, who they said was harboring the Al-Qaeda group that they said did 9/11. But this authorization has been abused since 2001, and under the “War on Terror”, under the guise of fighting the “War on Terror”, under that authorization, they’ve waged war in dozens of countries.

 

 

G&B: Now since the Constitution gives the right of declaring war, does this authorization take away that right from Congress? I mean, it basically hands it over to the President. It makes it his decision, isn’t that right?

 

Bollyn: Right. Yeah, it’s like an abdication of their responsibilities. That they have basically given him a rubber stamp that he can use to wage war wherever he sees fit. It’s his decision, and his decision alone, as to where he wants to wage war.

 

G&B: What is the significance of the US President stating that the terror attacks of 9/11 were, quote:

 

“An act of war.”?

 

Bollyn: Well that’s very important. They made that declaration already on the first day, on September 11th. That’s important, because it means that as an “act of war”, that the government will respond to it accordingly, using military force. And wage war against the people that they said did this, that committed this terrorist attack. And so the attack on the Pentagon was the one thing that allowed them to make that determination, because the Pentagon is, of course, an American military fortress. So, when you have a military attack on a military fortress it is a military, an act of war.

 

And so using that that logic it precluded the need for there to be any criminal investigation to determine who was really behind 9/11. So, it gave them an easy way out for those people who wanted to wage war in the first place!

 

[05:27]

 

G&B: Right. The ability to wage a war, because of these attacks, then negated the necessity to hold a criminal investigation, isn’t that what you’re saying?

 

Bollyn: Right! And then the authorization to use military force was passed a couple days after 9/11. So, based on that, George Bush was able to take the country to war less than a month after 9/11 happened, in Afghanistan, because everything was basically allowed. The authorization, the funding, and the logic.

 

G&B: You point out that the US has conducted major military operations in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Syria, and the Philippines. Has any evidence been presented that any of these countries were involved in the terror attacks of September 11th?

 

Bollyn: No! Not even has evidence been presented to indict Osama bin Laden, for example. I mean, it’s a famous story about the FBI did not put Osama bin Laden on the most-wanted list for his involvement in 9/11. [He was listed wanted for other alleged crimes] Because they didn’t have evidence for that.

 

 

So the entire “War on Terror” is a war that is being fought under false premises. And the authorization to use military force is being abused! And they’ve spent something like seven trillion dollars on this war! This “War on Terror” that began in October 2001, has now gone on for over 18 years. And it’s the longest and most expensive war in US history.

 

G&B: General Wesley Clark in a presentation to the San Francisco Commonwealth Club, in 2007, said that there was a coup on 9/11, in the United States, “a policy coup”. What did General Clark mean by “a policy coup”?

 

 

Bollyn: Well, he said that:

 

“Some hard-nosed people took over the direction of American foreign policy and never bothered to inform the rest of us.”

 

And he pointed out that there were, in this memo that he had discovered, he had learned about when he went to the Pentagon a week, or so after 9/11, there were seven countries on this memo that the United States military was prepared to overthrow in the next five years. And those countries were Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off with Iran.

 

And that’s basically been the to-do list for the “War on Terror”. And yeah, that’s what they’ve done. And he discovered, he heard this memo and he was shocked that, … He had been the former chief of military in Europe during the Afghanistan war. He had just finished his service in Europe, and he knows policy. He knows what he’s talking about. He was running for President at the time. And he knows that this was a “policy coup” where what they call the “neo-cons”, the zionist neocons, people like Wolfowitz, had had dictated this policy. And this was being followed by the Pentagon.

 

G&B: How would you describe the Israeli “Yinon Plan” for the Middle East? Authored by Oded Yinon and translated in English by Israel Shahak. I believe this was written in 1982.

 

Bollyn: Right. It was published in 1982. Well in 1982, Oded Yinon — and he’s a strategist for the Likud Party — he was writing and serving under Ariel Sharon. He wrote this strategy for Israel in the 1980s. And it called for Israel to basically a wage war and to overthrow the Arab countries all across the region! All the Arab countries! And to break them up into ethnic statelets. Into, you know, along ethnic lines. It’s often called “balkanization”, and it resembles what was done to Yugoslavia.

 

So you take a large, secular, socialist, economy, if you will, and you break it up into small warring factions that don’t get along with each other. And this is exactly, … The Yinon Plan called for, on the Eastern Front, doing this first to Iraq and then Syria. Saying that Iraq was the main enemy, the largest, most formidable, enemy of Israel.

 

And the thing is that this is exactly what’s happened under the United States occupation of both Iraq and Syria.

 

And I saw in the news, just today, that Michael Pence is visiting Iraq, the Kurdish section of Iraq. So Iraq has been broken up into a Sunni section, a Shiite section, and a Kurdish section, in the north. And the same sort of thing is being done to Syria. And these were the first two targets for the Israeli plan known as the Yinon Plan.

 

It was published in Hebrew, 1982

 

[10:42]

 

G&B: What are some of the drastic political and social changes that have been imposed on America and the world as a result of the 9/11 deception?

 

Bollyn: Well, it fundamentally changed the relationship between the citizen and the state. As you can see like in the United States when you go flying, traveling, you’re treated as a suspect, a terrorism suspect, even though you’re just a member of the traveling public. This can be on the trains, this could be on the planes. The way we’re treated when we go in through the security check.

 

And also there’s been a huge increase in the militarization of the police forces in America. This is partly due to the whole idea of preparing for, you know, the same sort of insurrection in the United States, as they have faced in Afghanistan and in Iraq. And also the fact that a lot of people that served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the wars, have come back from the wars and gotten employed as police officers. So you have this whole militarization of America, the police. You see if everywhere you go. And that’s part of the, that’s the legacy of the “War on Terror”.

 

G&B: What exactly has the “War on Terror” brought us in terms of the rules of war, including torture. Now that never used to be allowed!

 

Bollyn: Right, right! They don’t call it “torture”, they call it “enhanced interrogation”. But yes, the rules have all been rewritten. So that we now have torture, as you say, we had big camps, you know, in Iraq, like Camp Bucca where people were tortured and abused systematically. And this was done, because they said that:

 

“There was a need to know what these people were up to.”

 

And so based on that, and the whole fear that they had imposed on the American public, people went along with it. They went along with this, thinking that these people that had done 9/11 were so evil, that anything would be, anything that could stop them, anything could hinder their evil plans, would be allowed. And like I said, America’s just become a very much a pro-war “anything goes” nation, after 9/11

 

G&B: How was the foe in the “War on Terror” created?

 

Bollyn: Well, that’s a very good question! You see the “War on Terror” is a very old doctrine. An Israeli doctrine, going back at least to the late 70s, when Menachem Begin — the arch terrorist of Israel history — when he became prime minister, he became prime minister in 70, 74, I think. His party came to leadership in 77. He was the Prime Minister then in 77.

 

Two years later he called a conference on “international terrorism” in Jerusalem, which was attended by something like 700 dignitaries from around the world. Owners of media, President George Bush’s father, George Herbert Walker Bush, who was running for President at a time. And they rolled out this doctrine in a three-day propaganda offensive in Jerusalem, called “The Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism”. In which they said that:

 

“The new enemy of the West was terrorism, international terrorism.”

 

At the time they blamed it all on Russia. That Russia was behind this terrorism. And they said that what has to happen is that the Western militaries have to engage, you know, the terrorists in the Middle East. And those nations that are protecting them.

 

And so this was the doctrine. And this was the “War on Terror” doctrine, explained and laid out as the “new doctrine” for the West to follow. And what happened though, is that it didn’t go into effect immediately, because it required, of course, something like 9/11 to make the United States, you know, move it’s military operationally into the Middle East. So 9/11 was basically the spark plug, or the kick-start, that brought this “War on Terror” from 1979 into reality, into operation

 

[15:07]

 

G&B: Of course, this “Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism” that took place in 1979, and was arranged by then Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin, was extremely important and seminal in this whole “War on Terror”. And as you’ve mentioned, George HW Bush was in attendance. And he was running for President then. On the same subject, what is the “Jonathan Institute” and what was its purpose?

 

Bollyn: Right. Well the entity that hosted the conference was the Jonathan Institute. Jonathan is the first name of Jonathan Netanyahu. This is Benjamin Netanyahu’s older brother, who reportedly died, was killed, in the Israeli operation in Entebbe, Uganda, when there was a hijack planes have been taken there. And the Israeli covert force known as “Sayeret Matkal” went in and were able to release the hostages. But in the process of this rescue operation, Jonathan Netanyahu was killed.

 

So they named Institute after him. And so Menachem Begin was the organizer of the conference, he was the prime minister at the time. He was involved in Lebanon, you know, attacking Lebanon at the same time. And Benjamin Netanyahu, and his father, Benzion Netanyahu, were the conference hosts, if you will. They were the ones that organized it and got it arranged at their Institute. This isn’t an Institute that has any sort of address, physical address. It’s just an Institute. And it’s whole purpose was to promote the idea of the “War on Terror”.

 

G&B: You mentioned this operation at Entebbe, in Uganda. Wasn’t that a false flag? I mean, was that an actual hijacking, or was that staged?

 

Bollyn: Well, that’s a good question, you know. I don’t have enough information about the Entebbe operation, or, you know, other operations from that time period. People say the same thing about the Munich Massacre from the Olympics in 1972, it was, I think.

 

You know, and looking back today with our understanding of how Israeli false flag operations work, there’s a lot of question marks about, you know, these earlier operations. If they were staged, or, … But the thing is, that it’s very likely, and it’s not unreasonable that people think like that, because Israel has been doing false flag operations for a long time! They’ve been doing false flag operations since they became a state, and even before.

 

But the first false flag operation that that I know of the Israel did was in 1952, or 53. I think it’s called the Lavon Affair. And it was done in Egypt. And it was Israelis and some Egyptian jews, a cell, who were planting nitroglycerin bombs in British and American buildings, and libraries, and cultural centers, and theaters, and things like that.

 

And that was an operation that was discovered to be an Israeli false flag operation. It was meant to be blamed on the Islamic Brotherhood. But what happened is that the Egyptian police captured some of the agents, and they confessed.

 

G&B: In the same year as the Jerusalem Conference, veteran Israeli intelligence chief, Isser Harel, made a prediction. What was his prediction?

 

Bollyn: Yes, Isser Harel was the founder of the Israeli Mossad. He’s like the first real chief of the Mossad, and former head of the Shin Bet, which is Israel’s internal intelligence, like the FBI. And he said, he made a prediction to an American zionist, he predicted that Arabs would attack the tallest building in New York City. And that they would do this, because this is a symbol, you know, American fertility.

 

And yeah, that they would attack the tallest building in New York City. And he made that prediction in 1979.

 

And it was only reported after 9/11. It was reported by a guy named Michael Evans from Texas. He’s a jewish guy, who has a Christian evangelical operation called, “Jerusalem Prayers”, or something like that. But what he does is, he’s one of these Christian zionists who’s very pro-zionist. And he was very close with people like Menachem Begin, and Isser Harel.

 

And so at the same time that they had this conference Isser Harel was putting into his mind, into mister Michael Evans mind, the idea that, … Well, it’s called “The Jerusalem Prayer Team”, that’s what it’s called. That Arabs were targetting the United States of America, and they would target the tallest building in New York City.

 

I call this “ideation”. This is putting hints out there, putting the idea out there, through people like the evangelist Minister. They did the same thing in movie form, television shows. They put the idea out there that Arabs are targetting the tallest buildings in New York City. So when it happens, the public is a short way for them to understand that this is simply reality, imitating art! You know, that this has been predicted, and it’s understood. And:

 

“Well, that’s what happened! Didn’t you see the movie?”

 

[20:28]

 

G&B: Yes! Could you talk about Mossad operative, Arnon Milchan, and the Hollywood films he’s produced?

 

 

Bollyn: Arnon Milchan is right in the middle of this current case with Benjamin Netanyahu. Because he’s the Hollywood producer who was also a senior Israeli agent. He was an agent in an operation called “Lakam”, LAKAM. [LAKAM is an acronym for Bureau of Scientific Relations, an Israeli intelligence agency that collected scientific and technical intelligence abroad.] And that is Israel’s top secret operation to get components for their nuclear program from the United States. And this guy was their number one agent.

 

And he was at the same time he was a Hollywood film producer. He made “Pretty Woman”, “JFK”, “Brazil”, “Fight Club”, you know, lots of movies he’s made.

 

And in his movies there’s often ideation of the 9/11 attacks. For example, there’s a movie he made called, … The first movie ever made was called “The Medusa Touch” in 1978. In which a passenger aircraft is flown into the Pan Am building. And that’s the climactic scene of the movie, I think. It’s one year before the conference [Jerusalem Conference], and it’s very telling.

 

 

When you understand that, when you see that he, Arnon Milchan, was Israel’s top Israeli agent! He’s close friends with Ezra Weitzman, the Defense Minister of Israel at the time. He’s very close friends of Shimon Peres. Shimon Peres is the guy who brought him in. Shimon Peres is of course, the Godfather of the whole Israeli arsenal, nuclear arsenal. And this man, Arnon Milchan, his operation was to get what they needed for the nuclear arsenal.

 

And he was caught red-handed! His operation was caught red-handed smuggling nuclear triggers, something like 800 of them, from the United States to Israel! And at that time his employee who was involved in this operation, was Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

Now, in the trial with Benjamin Netanyahu, the charges that are placed against Netanyahu, part of it is, because he was receiving bribes, or gifts, very expensive gifts from Arnon Milchan.

 

G&B: Now, what about the television pilot, “The Lone Gunman” that you write about in your book, was co-produced by Arnon Milchan and Rupert Murdoch.

 

Bollyn: Yeah, well they had a television company together. They have, or they had, “Regency Productions”, I think it’s called. And they’re very close as well. Murdoch is very close to Arnon Milchan. Milchan was his landlord, or vice versa, but in any case they’re business partners as well. They’re co-owners of this TV production company.

 

And in 2000, Murdoch’s company “New Regency” films I think it was called, they made this production called “The Lone Gunman”, in which something like the 9/11 attack, very similar, happens in the film. It’s only a half an hour film — it’s made for TV — in which a passenger aircraft is hijacked remotely using a kind of more sophisticated chip called “Octium chip”. And the plane is hijacked using the override, so that the pilots don’t even know it, because the plane is being flown on autopilot. And what happens is that the plane is flown, is being flown directly into the World Trade Center. And at the last minute the pilots are able to regain control and just narrowly miss avoid hitting the World Trade Center.

 

But this movie came out, and was aired on Fox TV, in March of 2001. Six months before 9/11 happened.

 

And this is the thing what we see with Milchan, and Milchan-Murdoch films, is that the idea, the “ideation” of 9/11 is shown time, after time, after time. And the idea of the “War on Terror” is another part of his films.

 

In the movie Brazil, the futuristic film Brazil, it’s a state where, like the United States is today, where the state is waging a constant war against terrorism. And in doing so, it’s, you know, it’s imposing itself a great deal on its own people

 

G&B: Yes, in the film Brazil, there are terrorist attacks and bombings just randomly! I remember a scene where some people are having an elegant dinner, and all of a sudden a bomb blows out the wall!

 

Bollyn: Mm hmm.

 

G&B: But it’s just routine and the waiters rush in, and put up a screen between the diners and the blown out wall! And it’s all presented as if it’s just a day in the life!

 

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Bollyn: Yeah. And if you remember that scene in the restaurant where the women are talking about the operations and the surgeries they can get, and the bomb goes off. Just before the bomb goes off, the woman, one of the young girls says, “Salt?”, and she raises a jar of salt to offer salt, and then the bomb goes off! That’s very interesting.

 

And then, as soon as the bomb goes off, the band brushes themselves off, and starts playing. And what song do they start playing? The Hava Nagila, the zionist national anthem! Hava Nagila!

 

G&B: Oh my god, I forgot about that detail!

 

Bollyn: Whose idea was that! And that’s just like Arnon Milchan making a joke out of the whole thing, you know. This movie was made in 1985, or 86, and it’s like it’s a very, very interesting choice of music.

 

G&B: Yeah, that’s very chilling! You’ve mentioned how Arnon Milchan was involved in the smuggling of nuclear triggers out of the United States to Israel. Could you talk about the theft of nuclear material and uranium from the United States by Israeli operatives? Who were they? And what was the timeframe in which these thefts were taking place?

 

Bollyn: Well, there was an operation, I think it was in the 70s, or early 80s, from Apollo Pennsylvania in which Isser Harel, his men, his main men, were then Zvi Malkin and Shalom [Avraham] Bendor and a very key player in this is a man named Rafi Eitan.

 

Rafi Eitan, this man, was the head of the LAKAM program at the time. He was the head of the operation to get the components for nuclear materials. And he sent these men, Shalom Bandor and Zvi Malkin. And Rafi Eitan himself was a member of this group. They went to Apollo Pennsylvania and arranged with this man who owned this company, New Mec, I think it’s called. The man’s name was Ben Shapiro. And he was American jew who was willing to help.

 

And what happened is that after they visited the plant Apollo, and met with Mr Shapiro, the plutonium was then sent in special cartons to Israel by LA freighters. And this was the smuggling of plutonium to Israel for their nuclear weapons.

 

And it’s interesting that this is discussed in the book about Robert Maxwell, “Israel’s Superspy” [Robert Maxwell, Israel’s Superspy (2003) ] because, you know, Rafi Eitan played a big role in all of this stuff. And it also involved the theft of the PROMIS software. [Prosecutors Management Information System] That came a little bit later. That came in the 80s. But when Rafi Eitan was able to steal the PROMIS software — this is the prosecutors information management system — it allowed them to adapt the software for spying and sell to countries all around the world. Which gave the super user — the Israelis — access to everything that was going on in the networks that had bought the software.

 

G&B: Right. And you mentioned Robert Maxwell in connection to this stolen PROMIS software. And I believe in that book, isn’t he’s selling this software to other countries?

 

Bollyn: Yeah! They used Maxwell as their main sales agent. And he sold it, you know, first places like Zimbabwe, and South Africa, and then to Jordan, and countries in the Middle East. And it got everywhere! It got to banks, and Swiss banks. And then they, this was the PROMIS, this was the modified PROMIS software.

 

So they got the PROMIS software from the Department of Justice. And he was — Rafi Eitan — was travelling in the United States under an alias. I think was named David Orr, or something like that. Dr. David Orr. So, he was using the identity of an Israeli man — a real doctor in Jerusalem — and travelling under his name.

 

And they got this software, and then they he adapted it. He brought it back to Israel and they adapted it for spying. So they put a microchip in there and they moved things around, so that this became an enterprise spyware. And this was in the 80s, this is like in 1984.

 

And then 83, 84, and then they kept developing this, the capacity of, the capabilities of the software into something called “pTech”. And pTech was the software that was running on all the American military computers and the federal computers on 9/11. And this was again, the spy software that was developed by Israel. And that was being used to monitor what happened at the F AA on 9/11. And it’s part of, it’s a very important aspect of the computer crime with 9/11.

 

[30:09]

 

G&B: Right. And you pointed out to me something I hadn’t thought of but that “pTech” probably is a shortened form of PROMIS technology, right?

 

Bollyn: Right. It stands to reason, because it’s the same sort of software. It’s enterprise software that gives you not only access to everything that’s going on in the network in real time, but it gives you surveillance, and the ability to intervene, to do something, to change something.

 

And this would explain, for example, why the American military was unable to respond effectively to the hijackings on 9/11, because planes were diverted, you know, communications were missed. So the attacks went on, unhindered.

 

G&B: And I think we might also mention, with regard to Robert Maxwell, that he is, of course, the father of Ghilane Maxwell, who’s been in the news lately, with regard to the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, right?

 

Bollyn: Right, right.! And in the Epstein scandal you see that one of the most conspicuous Israelis involved in that was Ehud Barak — the former head of Israeli military intelligence — was seen photographed coming in and out of the townhouse of Jeffrey Epstein. And he would stay at Jeffrey Epstein’s house, one of his houses, when he was in town.

 

So yeah, it’s an Israeli operation. You know, the Epstein thing was an Israeli operation. And it was used to control people of influence, politicians, and what-have-you. And if you look at the list of people who flew on the “Lolita Express”, or who stayed on Jeffrey Epstein’s island, it’s all the big shots. It’s all the top brass.

 

G&B: You write that when we examine the historical roots of the 9/11 atrocity and the “War on Terror”, we find more indications that 9/11 and the “War on Terror” both originate from the same source. What are some of the key events, beginning in 1977, that point to a common origin for both 9/11 and the “War on Terror”? Now, I know you’ve already mentioned a few of them, but what event occurred in 1977?

 

Bollyn: Well that’s when the Likud Party came to power. As I said, that’s when Menachem Begin came to power. And Menachem Begin is a unabashed, notorious, terrorist. He was involved in the bombing of the King David Hotel, back in 1946. He was involved in the Deir Yassin massacre. You know, when they mastered an entire village near Jerusalem, to put the fear into the Palestinians.

 

 

So when this man came to power, … You know, as Dr. Einstein wrote in 1948, Einstein warned the American jews and the American community, that if Menachem Begin ever comes to power, if his party ever comes to power — it was known as “Herut” at that time — these are terrorists and they will do terrible things!

 

And, you know, unfortunately the warnings of Albert Einstein were not heeded. But anybody who’s followed Israeli politics over the decades knows that the likes of Ariel Sharon, and Yitzhak Shamir, and Menachem Begin, these are people who came to power using terrorism! Terrorism is their modus operandi! So that when they came to power politically, in 1977, it would be no surprise, should be no surprise, that they immediately engaged in wars of aggression against Lebanon, for example. And they immediately began using terrorism.

 

 

There’s a book that came out “Rise and Kill First”, came out last year. And it’s written by an Israeli guy. It’s a discussion of, it’s a description of all of the, not all, but a lot of the Israeli assassinations over the years. And in this book they talk about, in 1979 Israeli military intelligence created a terrorist network in Lebanon, in which the Israelis themselves were putting car bombs, and donkey bombs, and truck bombs, which operated for four years! For four years, until 1983. And causing chaos and wars in Lebanon between various factions.

 

And, of course, remember 1983, what happened to the American barracks in Beirut. It was blown up by a truck bomb that the Mossad knew all about. So that was the beginning of the “War on Terror”.

 

And as I said, that they had the conference in 1979, in which they laid out the doctrine that the West should engage, you know, Islamic terrorism across the region, because it’s a struggle of the West.

 

 

[35:14]

 

And then in 1982, again, the Oded Yinon Plan came out, which called for the balkanization of all the Arab states. Well, how is little Israel go to balkanize all the states? Well, in order to do that they obviously had to get the Western militaries in there to do the hard lifting that required, they needed it to be done, in places like Iraq and Syria. That’s exactly what’s happened!

 

And so then, fast forward to, like, 9/11 happened. And that was as I said, the kick-start for the whole “War on Terror”! That Bibi Netanyahu had been pushing for decades!

 

If you remember, in the 80s Netanyahu came out with — after the first conference in Jerusalem — he came out with books about it. He came out with books in which he reprinted the speeches that were given, or the articles that were written about it.

 

And he promoted this “War on Terror”. And he wrote books like “Fighting Terrorism” and “How the West Can Win” [Terrorism: How the West Can Win]. And so he was pushing this, like, uphill all the way! And when I read those books about, you know how was this gonna happen, how does it come to fruition? Well 9/11 is how it happened!

 

 

So when 9/11 happened, they were able to kick-start the “War on Terror” that he’d been pushing for so long. So when he was asked by the New York Times on 9/11:

 

“What does this mean? What does what happened today mean for Israeli-American relations?”

 

And he said:

 

“It’s very good!”

 

He blurted it out!:

 

“It’s very good!”

 

He said [correcting himself]:

 

“Well, it’s not very good, but it’ll bring sympathy for Israeli position.”

 

Or something like that. So it’s like, you know, he couldn’t hold himself back! And then, all the interpretation that we got about the events of 9/11 came through, from him, and Ehud Barak.

 

 

Ehud Barack was in the BBC television studio in London shortly after the towers were struck. And he was calling for, … He blamed Osama bin Laden! He said that:

 

“Now is the time to start a concrete operational ‘War on Terror’.”

 

And that’s exactly what we got! And then as I said, then there was the memo in the Pentagon that was circulating at the highest levels, calling for the overthrow of seven countries in five years. And they took a little bit longer than five years, but that’s exactly what we’ve done. And now, of course, in the cross-hairs is Iran

 

G&B: You address the question of which came first, the terror attacks of 9/11, or the “War on Terror”. How would you answer this question?

 

Bollyn: Which came first, 9/11, or the “War on Terror”?

 

G&B: Yes.

 

Bollyn: Yeah, well as I said, before 9/11 happened on September 11th 2001. But the “War on Terror” doctrine preceded it by, what, 22 years at least. So, it’s like, they laid out that the whole idea of the “War on Terror”. They laid out the logic, they laid out the propaganda for it, before they achieved it. And in order to achieve it they had to get, of course, the United States military into the region. So that’s what 9/11 was all about.

 

And as you saw, it was all done like on a greased slide. They had the authorization to use military force, they had declared it an “act of war”, they had the Pentagon attack. So it was a foregone conclusion that the United States military would respond. And it was all prepared in advance! It was all very carefully laid out, so that it was a given, it was a given, that after 9/11, United States would go into the Middle East and start waging war.

 

And it started in Afghanistan and then they pushed for Iraq. And this is all part of the doctrine of the “Project for a New American Century”. That paper that came out one year before 9/11, in which they called for a complete change in the American military policy and foreign policy. They should become the policemen of the world, that the United States should should occupy Iraq — whether Saddam Hussein is on the throne, or not — simply, because it’s too important of a country to be left to its own.

 

And this was all discussed in the lead-up to the election in 2000, when George Bush won. And it was, … They knew that if George Bush won, and with Ariel Sharon winning in Israel, that it was a pretty clear, you know, pretty clear that there would be a war coming out of this constellation of hard-line people.

 

It’s very similar to what happened in 1982 when you had Ronald Reagan and Menachem Begin in power. An ideologue like Reagan, and an ideologue like Bush, with a Likud politician like Ariel Sharon, you’re going to get conflict.

 

G&B: Who was Ali Mohammed, and what role did he play in creating the enemy to be fought in the “War on Terror”?

 

[40:00]

 

Bollyn: Well, Ali Mohammed was the first trainer for Osama bin Laden.

 

And what happened is that when the, of course, when the Soviet, the Red Army conquered Afghanistan there was this Mujahideen force that was dislocated into Pakistan. Afghans who were fighting against the Red Army for Afghanistan. And what happened is the United States — this is part of the Charlie Wilson story — congressman Charlie Wilson from Texas, he and the Saudi Arabians, and the Pakistanis, agreed to put up the money.

 

And what happened is that the Israelis under Ehud Barak — again — when Ehud Barak was head of military intelligence in 83, 84 and 85, I think it was, he began providing the weapons and the training for the Mujahideen, who were training in Pakistan, and then going back into Afghanistan and fighting.

 

And so what he did is, he took the weapons off the battlefield from Lebanon in 82, and transferred them to Pakistan. And the Pakistani government was aware that this was being done by Israel. It was secret and everything, but if they allowed it to go on, …

 

And one of the trainers who was training these Arabs, these Afghan Arabs they are called — people like Osama bin Laden — was a man called Ali Mohammed, who happens to be a Hebrew speaking agent, supposedly from Egypt, probably an Egyptian jew, or something. I don’t know. But he spoke Hebrew. And he learned Hebrew probably from being the trainer with the Israeli intelligence working in Pakistan. But this is the man who trained and set up all these operations that were done in the name of Osama bin Laden.

 

So he set up other operations as well, like the shooting in New York of Maher Kahana, and things like that.

 

Ali Mohammed then, was then finally arrested. And he had been trained in America, as well. He was then put in a federal penitentiary, a federal prison, and then he disappeared from the federal prison without a trace!

 

Kind of like what happened to Jeffrey Epstein.

 

G&B: What has your research revealed about the origins of the terrorist videos?

 

Bollyn: Well the terrorist videos, you know, they all have come to us from one source. And that source is SITE Intelligence Group. And recently there’s a couple more branches, derivatives of that group, but SITE Intelligence Group is a propaganda, … I call it a propaganda tool of the Israeli state.

 

It’s based in Maryland. Bethesda, Maryland. It’s run by an Iraqi jewish woman named Rita Katz. And these videos would be provided from her SITE Intelligence Group to the media, and the subscribers. And there was one of the videos back in, I know 2009, or something, about Osama bin Laden. And in that case she had sent this video, of a beheading, maybe it was a beheading video. She had sent this video out to several people in the administration, high up people in the government. And before it had been released [by ISIL]. And she told them:

 

“Don’t tell anybody had this video until it’s been released by the, …”

 

All Qaeda, or ISIL, whatever it was. But somehow it leaked. And so it became known that she had this video. This Israeli woman had this video and had released it to the media, before it had even been released by the people who were the terrorists!

 

So you have to say:

 

“Well how did this woman have the video before it’s even been released by the Arab terrorists?”

 

And this is the thing, is that in order to keep the “War on Terror” going, and to steer this monster, they have to occasionally do things, or bring out information or, you know, “interpret” what’s going on in the Middle East for the Americans.

 

And just like 9/11, how 9/11 was “interpreted”, it was interpreted for the United States government, for the military, by Ehud Barak. It’s the same thing what Rita Katz and SITE intelligence is doing, they are interpreting the Middle East for us.

 

 

And so what’s amazing is these groups like ISIS, and ISIL, and Al Qaeda, who can make all these flashy videos, and do all these things, are unable to actually reach the Western media themselves, directly. It always goes through this Israeli bottleneck, if you will.

 

And it’s interesting that you asked about what General Wesley Clark said about this policy coup. And he had said that when this happened, when 9/11 happened, he said that:

 

“We did not have American understanding of it.”

 

9/11, he’s talking about. And what he means to say is that, we didn’t, our understanding of 9/11 did not come from America, American sources, from American intelligence. It came to our understanding, it came from Israel. Israel interpreted 9/11 for us! And that’s the case all throughout the whole saga.

 

[45:00]

 

The whole deception of 9/11, you know, 9/11 was done in order to achieve a certain agenda. And that agenda was the “War on Terror”.

 

Now the “War on Terror” and the attacks the United States has done against the Arab states, makes no sense! It makes no sense for Osama bin Laden to do something like that. He didn’t do this big sophisticated attack, because he hates America liberties and freedoms!

 

It was done for a much more, much bigger reason.

 

And that reason was to start the “War on Terror”.

 

And the “War on Terror” is an Israeli construct. So that the sophistication of 9/11, and the end result of 9/11, strongly indicate that this is an Israeli, or a zionist operation, from A to Z!

 

And look at the actual memorial, the Ground Zero Memorial, in New York City. It was also designed and built by an Israeli! It was built by the former ambassador, Israeli ambassador’s son, Arad. Michael Arad.

 

G&B: Yes, with regard to the 9/11 memorial in New York City, I finally saw it a few years ago. And it’s very, very, dark! I was quite shocked by it!

 

It’s, a lot of, … I believe the museum is actually underground. And the waterfalls, there are these waterfalls that go down into the ground. In the shape of the footprints of the Twin Towers. But it’s very, it’s black looking! And then there’s this bizarre, huge white, it looks like the skeleton of a dinosaur, or something! I mean, the wrong thing is really weird!

 

Bollyn: Yeah. And the guy that, … The architect who built it, the young fella, who was not hardly known, he’s a friend of Mayor Bloomberg. He’s also a very close friend of the Netanyahu family. He’s a friend, he’s a personal friend of Netanyahu’s son.

 

So it’s like the entire, you know, operation from the planning, and preparation, setting up the prediction, the “ideation” of the actual event, then the foisting of the deception, foisting the false narrative on the American public and the world, and then the actual control of the legacy, …

 

We’re talking about the memorial, you talk about the legacy, you’re talking about the place where, you know, school buses come every day. Dozens of school buses coming every day. And kids are taken off the bus and led through this place, and they’re basically taught the false narrative, they’re indoctrinated into the false narrative of what happened on 9/11! That 9/11 was done by these, you know, fanatical, Arab, Muslims.

 

And that’s why we are where we are today in the “War on Terror”.

 

And see, that’s why this book, the “War on Terror” is so important, because I wrote, … It’s a very small book. It’s only about 160 pages long, 170 many pages, because it’s very important for the public to understand that the “War on Terror” is a big fraud!

 

And the fraud of the “War on Terror” is related to the deception we’ve been told about 9/11. Like this book is really meant for the reader who already understands that we’ve been deceived about 9/11, and who did it. And the “War on Terror” book explains why we have been deceived, and who’s behind the deception.

 

G&B: You write that the real radicals are, in fact, the traitors in the political, and media arenas, who have pushed the lies about 9/11, and the “War on Terror”, since September 2001, as opposed to those who do real research on these events

 

Bollyn: Right! Well, my chapter two of the book. It says:

 

“9/11 truth is anything but radical.”

 

And that stands to reason. A radical is somebody who calls for, like radical change in a political situation, and that’s what we got. A conservative is a person who says:

 

“Well let’s go slow, make incremental, small changes. Let’s not change everything overnight.”

 

But what happened with 9/11, of course, is that before there was any investigation into what happened on 9/11, the United Sates was waging war in Afghanistan! And the authorization to wage, you know, the authorization to use military force we were talking about, was passed.

 

And so this longest war in American history was started before there was even any investigation!

 

 

And when people call for a new investigation, they have to understand that there hasn’t been an investigation of 9/11! 9/11 remains an unsolved crime. Hence the title of my book “Solving 9/11”. It’s an unsolved crime in which the evidence was actually confiscated, and destroyed, rather than then analyzed.

 

So there’s been no criminal investigation, and there’s been no trial!

 

So it’s a very, very bizarre thing! And it says a lot about the, … I don’t know how to say this, … It’s how America has gotten so hijacked by a small group of people who control the media! And they’ve hijacked our nation for decades now, into this “War on Terror”! And it’s a war against the American people.

 

[50:08]

 

So it’s really important that they wake up and understand that if we want to preserve any kind of freedom in America, we have to understand how we’ve been duped into the “War on Terror”.

 

G&B: Have the multiple trillions of dollars spent to wage the global “War on Terror” been borrowed at interest?

 

Bollyn: Well yeah! It’s all borrowed money! Trump said a couple months ago, a few months ago, he said that:

 

“It’s seven trillion dollars.”

 

And what have we gotten for it? Nothing! Nothing!

 

Well, we’ve got a lot worse than that! We’ve gotten a big debt! A seven trillion dollars, plus the interest on that. And that debt is just growing all the time. But the actual cost of the war, including that future debt payments, and treatment for the wounded vets, and what have you, is about seven trillion dollars. It’s an incredible amount of money!

 

And so that’s why, you know, you look around America you see the homeless people, the situation with the infrastructure, the general demise of our nation. And you say:

 

“Couldn’t that money have been better spent, here at home, rather than waging mindless, senseless, wars against people who have nothing to do with 9/11, in distant countries?”

 

G&B: How is treason defined in the US Constitution? And how would treason apply to those who engaged in what the US government termed “an act of war”?”

 

 

Bollyn: Yeah, well, treason is, … Part of the treason argument is that by levying war against the United States government, by levying war against the American people, and the nation, … And anybody who supports that in any way — it says in the dictionary, about treason and the Constitution — is culpable of the same crime. So that would include people even in the media, who have willfully fed the deception.

 

You see it was an act of deception. It’s an ongoing, active, deception!

 

We have now for 18 years, this deception about 9/11 being presented in the media, whenever it’s discussed.

 

And so there’s been no investigation by the media. The media has been complicit in this deception against American people. And that means that they are responsible also for the crime of treason, because they are supporting, they are aiding, they are aiding and abetting in helping those who levied war against United States of America!

 

G&B: What effect have the 9/11 wars had on Syria?

 

Bollyn: Well Syria is just the latest. I don’t know if it’s the latest, there might be more going on in other places, but Syria is the second one of those countries that Yinon Plan [Oded Yinon] called for an Eastern Front. It said, first take out Iraq, breakdown the central government, the military, and balkanize the country.

 

Then the next country was Syria. In Syria, that’s what they’ve been doing.

 

And in Syria, of course, they used these self-created terrorist groups called ISIS and ISIL. And there’s a whole host of them. And these are the people that McCain was seen going over to. Senator McCain was seen meeting with them! And one of the people is thought to be, that he’s meeting with, is Al-Baghdadi, the one who they said they killed a couple weeks ago.

 

But he’s meeting with these people, these terrorists who ran these militias, these gangs, that were waging war against the government of Syria. So again, the target is to take down the central government of Syria, remove the regime of Bashar Al-Assad — which was elected after all — and replacing it with a broken up country! With, you know, one ethnic group here, one there, one there, one there! And they’ve succeeded in doing that.

 

And what they’ve really succeeded in doing is, the United States is occupying the eastern third of the country from the Euphrates River to the east, and that’s where the oil is. And now Trump is saying that we’re gonna use this war on terrorism to secure, or to maintain, control over Syria’s oil. And he says we’re doing this to keep the oil away from ISIS, ISIL. I don’t know.

 

One thing they’re trying to keep it away from, they’re definitely trying to keep it away from the Syrian government, because it’s the Syrian government who needs the oil, more than anybody.

 

G&B: Christopher Bollyn, thank you very much!

 

Bollyn: Well thank you Bonnie. It’s been a pleasure.

 

[54:42]

 

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Organized jewry Did 9/11 — The 16th Anniversary, 2017

Know More News — Christopher Bollyn, The Man Who Solved 9/11 — TRANSCRIPT

The Realist Report with Christopher Bollyn – Sep 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

AE911Truth – Exposing Those Who Covered up the Crime of the Century – May 28, 2023 – Transcript

 

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[Adam Green who has the YouTube channel “Know More News” interviews well-known “conspiracy” author David Icke about his latest book “The Trigger”.

In short, the 9/11 attack was a false flag carried out by Orgjew as part of its long-running plan to create a One World Tyranny over humanity.

Icke’s take on Trump is spot on (around the 25:00 mark);

“And for me Donald Trump was brought in for a number of reasons, here’s two of them. One he is owned by this cult! I’m not saying he’s an insider of it, I’m saying he’s owned by it, which is basically operated out of Israel.”

 

— KATANA]

 

 

Adam Green with David Icke

 

Explains “The Trigger” & Endgame

 

Sep 16, 2019

 

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[00:00]

 

Green: Welcome ladies and gentlemen. Adam Green here with Know More News.org. It’s September 16, 2019. And today joining me a very special guest known as the “Renegade” the “Dot Connector”, undoubtedly one of the biggest names and legends in alternative media, Mr David Icke himself! Welcome David! Thanks for coming on.

 

Icke: Thanks Adam, real pleasure. You do some great work!

 

Green: Thank you so much. That’s a huge honor to hear that coming from you. I am so happy to have you on! This is one of the first interviews that you’re doing for your brand new excellent book, “The Trigger — the Lie that Changed the World, Who Really Did It and Why”. I just finished a few days ago, despite having an advance copy. It’s a huge book, and I say one of the most important books ever written! I hope everybody runs out and gets it and shares the information with everyone they know.

 

Why don’t you start by telling us a little bit about why you wrote the book, and what people can expect to get out of it.

 

Icke: Well, I remember on September the 11th, 2001 being out walking in England. And someone told me what had happened. And immediately, obviously, I was away to see the news, to look at the detail. And immediately it struck me that there was something big-time not right about this.

 

And by then I’d understood the major technique that is used to manipulate people to accept vast changes in society that they wouldn’t otherwise accept. And I gave it the name a long time ago now:

 

“Problem, Reaction, Solution”

 

Create the “Problem” — get someone else to be blamed for it not you. Get the mainstream media — no problem — to tell the public version of the event the problem that you want people to believe.

 

And you want at stage two the “Reaction” from the public of do something! This can’t go on! Something must be done you want the public in fear and outrage, so that they will be open to a solution.

 

And the “Solution” to your manufactured problem which you blame someone else for, is then to change society in ways that you would never have got away with without the manufactured problem. Problem, reaction, solution!

 

It’s played on us constantly all the time. Another name for it in the alternative media is, of course, “false flag”. So I had a massive question mark from day one and from that day I started researching and investigating the background. And it led to a book I published in September 2002 called “Alice in Wonderland in the World Trade Center Disaster — Why the Official Story of 9/11 is a Monumental Lie”. And obviously since then I’ve kept my eye on developments as the years have passed and I set out about just over a year ago to write an update to Alice in Wonderland, to bring it kind of up-to-date and within two weeks I thought:

 

“No no! We starting with a blank sheet of paper here!”

 

Because of the way that information was flowing and where it was taking me. And so I produced this book which is basically two books both of them fundamentally connected. The first half of the book demolishes the official story of 9/11. Which is you well know is not the hardest thing ever to do but most people don’t hear the information they only hear the mainstream version of it. So over the first half of the book with a hell of a lot I mean, masses of factual detail. The 9/11 official story is taken apart.

 

And in the second half of the book I tell her an amazing story which eventually leads to who actually was behind it. And it wasn’t nineteen Islamic extremists hijackers it was some a network that not only was responsible for 9/11, but right up to present day is responsible for what’s happening in the world, or what’s happened since 9/11 like the wars in the Middle East that have been justified by the trigger of 9/11. [05:01] that’s the reason for the name of the book, because 9/11 was a “trigger” that started a sequence of events that’s still going on.

 

This same network is responsible for 5G and the emerging smart grid, to eventually connect the human mind the human brain to artificial intelligence. So artificial intelligence becomes the human mind. So you can see, well, you know, having read it, that the trigger is a book about 9/11. It has 9/11 as it’s theme, but it’s not only about 9/11. It’s about the whole massive connection from those that were behind the horrors of that day, the connection into current events, and events that have happened before and since.

 

Green: Yeah the first half of the book is, you know, kind of your normal 9/11 conspiracy stuff. It’s the second half that is really something special. It shows it covers a lot of Christopher Bollyn’s research into who was behind 9/11. And then more importantly I think you connect it to the whole “anti-semitism industry”, the Israeli tech dominance. The Sabbatean Frankist, 5G, the tech takeover of vaccines, the technocracy, the technological dictatorship that’s coming. Which you and I both agree they’re planning on running it from Jerusalem, from Beersheba. Your thoughts on some of that?

Icke: Well I mean, there’s a part of the book towards the end which has a section in one chapter, which I think is called in his own words. And this is basically Netanyahu talking a tech conferences and to AIPAC and in various other situations, where he’s basically telling you. I mean, you know, when you talk to people and you say:

 

“Did, you know, that?”

 

And you give them some facts, they invariably didn’t know that. And if they did they would see the world and world events in a completely different way. So the idea of the anti-semitism industry and the protection racket as I call it, is to stop that information getting to people so they can have that re-evaluation of the way they see the world and world events.

 

And what we’ve had which is kept what is happening in Beersheba, this Israeli military tech complex, which is designed to be the center of, with other elements out of Israel, the center of this global smart grid. You know, people look at things today, I mean, almost everything has “smart” in front of it. And the reason for that is that everything smart, whether it’s technology, or whether it’s a system called “smart” is designed to be part of this smart grid. And a fundamental foundation of it is the so-called “Internet of Things” where all technologies are increasingly connected to the Internet. And he who controls the internet therefore controls those technologies.

 

And as I’ve talked about in previous books and absolutely it fits into this one, what we’re talking about now. People in the what I would say is Israel controlled Silicon Valley, and when I say Israel I mean, the network and the cult the controls Israel, not every Israeli, or nothing like.

 

Green: Many of them just busted are connected to Epstein even, Google.

 

Icke: Yes!

 

Green: Elon Musk, right?

 

Icke: Yeah! I mean, they control Silicon Valley. And this protection racket therefore, given that the circulation and communication of information worldwide is dominated by the Internet and it’s dominated by near monopolistic corporations like Google, Google owned YouTube, Facebook, etc., if you control them, you fundamentally control the communication of information to vast numbers of the human race.

 

And so we have a situation now where the same network is following an agenda ultimately to create a centralized global dictatorship! We’re going there so fast, but it’s also controlling the suppression of [10:00] information to expose what’s being done! So what you do, and controlling the exposure of what you do, is now increasingly controlled by the same people!

 

And the protection racket mantra is “anti-semitism”. And one of the things I look at, absolutely central to what I’m talking about, is this new definition of “anti-semitism”. A definition, well first of all anti-semitism is a misnomer, because semitism relates to a language group in the Middle East. The overwhelming vast majority of which are Arabic languages. But just put that aside. Um the definition of anti-semitism should surely be as it should be for any cultural group, that is hatred of that group for being a member of that group! And obviously that’s insane and completely unsupportable! So on that level, I would be the first in line to say that that is outrageous and shouldn’t be happening.

 

But that’s not what the new definition of anti-semitism is all about. It’s about expanding that to “criticism of Israel” and more. You know, I’ve been on this road a long time! 30 years now full-time since I started this journey of research and exposure, and I’ve seen it all! And I’ve seen the steps what I call the totalitarian tiptoe, step by step by step, more and more towards a tyrannical totalitarian world.

 

And I’ve seen this constant expansion of the term “anti-semitism”ss and we’ve now reached the point as you will well know, where just talking about a “global conspiracy” without mentioning any one responsible for it, is now called anti-semitism! Because you are engaging in, the thing you hear all the time now. You never used to hear it before but now you hear it all the time. You are engaging in an “anti-semitic trope”! That’s the line!

 

So if you’re saying there’s a global conspiracy, people have said that the global conspiracy is run by jewish people, therefore you’re talking about a global conspiracy, therefore you’re anti-semitic!

 

And what you’re seeing all the time is this expansion and expansion, expansion of what is defined as anti-semitism. And it’s for one reason. To constantly expand the range of things that you can censor — in terms of exposure — in the name of “anti-semitism”. That’s why I call it a “protection racket”. It’s not a protection racket to protect jewish people from discrimination. And you can see that very clearly, because you look at any jewish people who criticize Israel. They get the treatment, the abuse, even more than non-jewish people do! Because it’s much easier to label non-jewish people anti-semitic, and say they’re only doing it for that. But it’s not that easy to do it to a jewish person. Although bizarrely they try!

 

And when you’ve got like in this country in the opposition Labour Party, there’s been a real focus of this protection racket in the last few years. When you get a situation where, because of this expanded definition of anti-semitism, you have jewish people being thrown out of the labor party for anti-semitism, you know, you’re not looking at something that’s about protecting jewish people from discrimination! You’re looking at something that’s protecting a cabal from exposure!

 

But just very quickly we’ve got a guy in this country called “Chilton”. I mentioned him in the book. He was born in Israel. He was conscripted into the Israeli Defense Forces. He stayed on for a while and acted as a in a PR role as I understand it from what he said. Showing foreign journalists around. And he fought in the war with Lebanon in 1982 and then he started to realize how Palestinians are treated.

 

So he rebelled against that and he thought I’m getting out of here and he moved to Britain. And when he did — he’s a an academic at Oxford [15:02] University I think now. When he did he thought is there a political party that I can join that could be a vehicle for me to protest about the way Palestinians are treated in Israel, Palestine. And he joined the Labor Party.

 

Well, because of the expanded definition of anti-semitism which has been adopted by the Labor Party and a backbone deleterious nature of the labor party hierarchy these days, he was expelled from the Labour Party for anti-semitism! So this is the nonsense, the extremes to which this is reached now.

 

And like I say it’s nothing to do with protecting jewish people from discrimination. I’m all over for protecting anyone from discrimination. It’s about protecting this cabal from exposure. And this is why more and more and more people are self censoring and silencing themselves, because they are frightened of the consequences of saying what they know to be true.

 

And I’ve always had this, Adam, this way of looking at the world which is that I am “consciousness” we are all consciousness. I’m having a brief sojourn of experience in this reality, which is only a narrow band of frequencies that we call the world. And therefore what happens to me in this threescore years and ten, or whatever you want to call it, is almost irrelevant. Just an experience. And so I’m not intimidated by consequences, because I don’t take them into account. I’m interested in what’s true and what isn’t true! And first of all I’m covering it, and then communicating it!

 

I don’t think as you see having read the Trigger, a lot of people would have looked at that book if they were the writers of it, and said:

 

“Oh dear what’s going to happen to me if I publish this.”

 

That process does not pass through my mind except out of interest how I would rather react to this. But in terms of not doing it, because of what are the consequences for me, doesn’t enter the equation! And that is a power! It’s a power, you have that power, and many other people — not enough — but other people have that power. The power that comes with not giving a damn what people think of you and what people do about you, or say about you!

 

Your focus is “what is true? Can I support that with facts? Yes. Okay!” there you go! And this is something that the Cabal, the network, the protection racket, doesn’t know how to deal with. Because it’s currency of control is “intimidation and fear of consequences”. And what they’ll obviously try to do is demonize me and to shut me down.

 

In fact, you know, my son’s just told me just before we started this interview that Facebook today has contacted him and said that they have gone back through years of my Facebook page and deleted lots of stuff and warned that my Facebook page is basically about to be deleted! And this is in the wake of the publication of the Trigger a few days ago so, you know, just a coincidence nothing to worry about!

 

Green: So you’re looking at almost a million people that you’re not gonna be reaching if they shut down your Facebook page! Not to mention Facebook I’m sure has already restricted your reach without paying thousands of dollars for every post as well.

 

Icke: Well I can confirm that for sure, because about four years ago, maybe five now, my Facebook page numbers got up to about seven, eight hundred thousand and they were increasing by three, or four thousand a week. And then they stopped overnight. And it basically had not moved on. And you get the same shadow banning with a YouTube. And this is the point you see.

 

What we’ve got to understand is how few people were talking about. The jewish population of the world is naught point two percent [0.2%]. Depending on how you define a jewish person the mean figure, a number, is about 16 million, out of seven point seven billion. The people that I’m exposing not only are a tiny fraction of that number, at their core a handful ultimately, they are not “jewish” in the sense of people perceiving what a jewish person is. They are satanic occultists! And they actually hate jewish people. That’s the irony. And that’s why I say in the book:

 

“No one needs to read this book more urgently than jewish people.”

 

So they can see the scale to which they have been shafted generation after generation after generation and taught from birth by their system that the rest of the world hates them! Well I’ve got some good news for them. We don’t! One, or two people might who’ve lost the plot in terms of understanding the nature of reality. But the vast overwhelming majority of people do not.

 

But you look at any situation Adam, where the few want to control the many. And that few are always in search of a monster of a bogeyman. If you want to frighten people into invading, or justifying the invasion of Iraq, one of the other things that came from this trigger of 9/11, then tell them that Saddam Hussien has weapons of mass destruction. Tell them that Iran could do this to them and nuke their country and all this! Tell them, this thing, you want a monster that you can gather support behind you to focus upon the monster. To unite behind you.

 

And what this cult and that’s what it is, that’s behind Israel. And the vast majority jewish people have no idea. They think that people running it are like them, they’re not! And the book exposes that. What it’s done is turn the almost entirety of the rest of the human race into the bogeyman, into the monster, into the focus of fear!

 

And if people in Israel — and many do — only realized how they’re being perceptually manipulated from cradle to grave, they might realize that actually we don’t hate them! And we don’t want ill for them. But we do want justice for a group of people [Palestinians] who’ve been abused mercilessly since before 1948

 

Green: Absolutely! You know, you’re really preaching to the choir at my channel with this book. You cover so many of the same topics. And I just want to quickly give you a lot of credit. You know, one of the videos that you did years and years and years ago. You’ve been covering it over the years “Rothschild zionism” was that was the video. And that was a big wake-up moment for me when you just pointed out it.

 

That was back I think during the Bush administration too. It was the same with the Bushes, Obama and then even more so with Trump. And also another thing another little secret, I have here the book “The Biggest Secret” that I read many years ago.

 

You know, I first learned about you on YouTube, but I remember seeing you a lot on Infowars. You used to go on Alex Jones’s show you guys protested there, at Bilderberg together I think a few times. Paul Joseph Watson. Alex Jones even said.

 

Icke: One time.

 

Green: Oh it was one time?

 

Icke: Yeah in England at Watford I think in 2010

 

Green: Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars even admitted in an interview that it wasn’t Alex Jones that woke him up first but it was you and your books. I’m a huge critic of Alex Jones for him covering up all of the zionist information that’s in this book. And I was so happy to see you actually mentioning him by name a few times in here. And then I just want to read once two sentences from your book here and then I’ll let you respond it says:

 

“The ultra zionist attack on Jones was a particularly bizarre on the face of it, because the Jones associate they mentioned — Paul Joseph Watson — rails against the impact of Islam but has argued against any suggestion of a quote “Jayish plot”. Jones overwhelmingly avoids the zionist connection to.”

 

So I was so happy to see you call out Alex Jones. What are your thoughts on Jones and how awful he’s shilling for Trump and in covering up zionism lately?

 

Icke: Well, you know, for me I, you know, put my hands up to anyone that steps out and wants to expose what’s going on in the world. And Alex Jones has done some very, very good things over the years in alerting a lot of people to the fact that the world is not actually run by the forces that appear to be in control. And on that I, a round of applause from me. Anybody who does that. Jeff Rense has been doing it as well for a long long long, long, time.

 

Green: Right let me pause you there David I have to restart the call! Your voice and your audio is all out of whack and I want this to be good. Let me call right back okay?

 

Icke: Okay. Jeff Rense is another one who’s been on the case for a very long time, you know, I first met Jeff when I was at a speaking tour of America talking to nobody, basically in the 1990s. Way back in the 1990’s. So I say round of applause to anyone that’s made a contribution to people seeing that the world is not run by the people that appear to be running it.

 

But I would just say that I find it sad that Alex went down the road of Donald Trump. First of all, because I think it’s the role of the alternative media to expose how the system is rigged, and not to jump on the bandwagon of, or getting get behind a particular politician. Especially someone running for the Presidency, because if you year after year decade after decade as people like me have, and Alex before, say that the system is rigged and it doesn’t matter who you vote, for the Cabal gets in, then how come you’re behind a candidate that obviously couldn’t have got there unless he was a cabal man?

 

You know, when you think Adam, that Hillary Clinton got the nomination for their 2016 election, because the hierarchy of the Democratic Party clearly shown from WikiLeaks documents, basically shafted Bernie Sanders. So the hierarchy of political parties has the power to dictate the candidate very clearly and has done many times!

 

Donald Trump as I recall started out on the road to win the nomination in the Republican Party with sixteen other people. And, you know, Donald Trump like all these politicians and Donald Trump will be up there with any of them, has not only got skeletons in the cupboard, he’s got whole cemeteries!

 

So if there was a true desire to stop his candidacy then it would have been stopped and he wouldn’t have come through a field of professional Republicans as an outsider and won the nomination and then won the election! It wouldn’t have happened!

 

And for me Donald Trump was brought in for a number of reasons, here’s two of them. One he is owned by this cult! I’m not saying he’s an insider of it, I’m saying he’s owned by it, which is basically operated out of Israel. That’s why from the moment he became President, Israel could do what it liked in terms of more and more illegal settlements on Palestinian land.

 

That’s why the American Embassy was moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. That’s why he’s now talking about a new defense pact with Israel as if they haven’t got one already. Um it’s, because he’s owned by Israel. And you look at two Trump employees a bankruptcy lawyer David Friedman, ultra ultra-zionist! He becomes US ambassador to Israel, actually Israel’s ambassador to Israel, if truth be told. Then you got [30:00] Greenblatt who said he’s now stepping down as his international negotiator of the deal with the Palestinians. They want to scam them with.

 

You look at his Treasury secretary running the economy. That’s Minuchin, Steve Minuchin, ultra zionist. And so he’s owned by Israel!

 

And Israel, of course, as I explained in the book in great detail wanted 9/11. When I say Israel, I keep, every time I say Israel I mean, this “cult”, this government, a cult that runs Israel. Um they wanted 9/11 to justify the triggering of a series of regime changes, which they’d named, of course, in September 2000 with their “Project for the New American Century” [PNAC]. And ever since they’ve been picking them off.

 

So Bush and Blair pick off Afghanistan and then Iraq. And, by the way, Ehud Barak former Prime Minister of Israel and a head of military intelligence, within no time, on the morning of 9/11 was on the BBC pointing the finger at Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden! Problem, reaction, solution! With problem reaction solution you’ve gotta get your villain in early! Your fake villain in early, so that that then dominates who did it from then on.

 

And so then you move to a Democrat in Obama:

 

“Oh! The opposite to Republican Bush! It’s gonna be different now!”

 

And we had David Cameron the Prime Minister of Britain:

 

“Yeah! Different from Blair! A different party! It’s gonna be different now!”

 

And then they pick off Libya and Syria that were also on the list of the “Project for the New American Century” in September 2000. And now you’ve got the Trump administration, :

 

“Oh! It’s different! He’s a maverick!”

 

Focusing on Iran and other countries that were on the list. So you can see the progression from “we want these countries regime change” to the trigger that started it, to the attempts to regime change those countries. Some of them successful.

 

And the other reason they wanted Trump in was to “divide and rule America”. They want a civil war in America. I’m not being wise after current events, this was in my last book which was before Trump was elected, I wrote that. They want a civil war! And to do that you need sides.

 

And what we’re looking at in America and globally is the emergence of a new form of Marxism. Marxism, of course, as I talked about in the book came from Karl Marx. And Karl Marx was just a front man for this death cult that currently runs Israel, also runs Saudi Arabia and goes way back into history. And he was their boy.

 

And you look at politics in America now and it’s polarized exactly as it was meant to be. You’ve got Trump and then and you’ve got the so-called progressives. The progressives are increasingly talking about something called socialism. And socialism is the “don’t scare the children” version of communism. It’s centralization of power and dictating the fine detail of people’s lives from the center point. And it’s played off against capitalism, which is controlling people’s lives from a central point by control of money.

 

One is called a government of the people, communism, socialism. The other one’s called capitalism. But the structures may be slightly different, but the outcome is exactly the same you have a few people at the top in capitalism controlling through money control and domination, and in communism socialism a few people at the top of the hierarchy of the political system dictating the fine detail of people’s lives from a central point.

 

And so what we’ve got in America increasingly, now this was all part of bringing Trump to power I suggest, is playing these two basically mirrors of each other — the few controlling either way — against each other! So you have this focus of [35:01] attention on Trump and this is really kind of relevant, because there was an ultra zionist guy called a “community organizer” in Chicago, who wrote books on how to how to bring down the establishment if you like. And the key one was focus attention on a single individual. The guy was called Alinsky, by the way, and he came from the same, you know, community that Obama appeared out of and he was a community organizer.

 

So the idea he said, was focus on an individual. Don’t focus on a bureaucracy, or corporations, or anything like that. You want an individual. And that focus, it’s like the Nazis used to say, “keep your propaganda simple” so people will be able to follow it. And so what they’ve done with Trump is they brought him to power as a symbol of “hatred” by the other side of the potential planned civil war. Civil war that’s already verbal and slightly physical.

 

They want a total physical civil war if they can. And so you’ve got this man now who is standing there, he’s the focus of hatred by the other side and it’s not about policy anymore, you know, “what’s about this policy and what about that policy”. It’s basically politics has become “do you love Trump, or hate Trump?”. It’s completely polarized American society! I’ve been there a few times since Trump was elected it’s extraordinary the polarization that’s gone on. And it’s been done systematically.

 

So Trump has played a role in this cabal’s agenda that’s very, very, very central, both by giving Israel everything it wants, and secondly by being this figure of hatred that can divide American society. And so I think those in the alternative media that supported Trump, because they believed he was the man, need to reevaluate. A lot of them already have.

 

And I would say to them and everyone, else the easiest way to get scammed is by people telling you what you want to hear! Do you think when someone’s coming to sell you a vacuum cleaner, or something, um that they’re going to tell you what you don’t want to hear? When they’re selling you a car are they gonna tell you what you don’t want to hear? No. They’re gonna tell you what you do want to hear! They’re gonna not tell you what you don’t want to hear.

 

And so what Trump did — very well — was articulate many of the things that if you like the Christian Patriot wing of the alternative media in America, wanted to hear. And so many bought it. But it was just for effect to gather this whole constituency behind him. But if you look at what he’s done, he’s not done what he said he would do it all! And, you know, where was Alex, or more to the point where was Donald Trump when Alex was dumped by all these social media Silicon Valley corporations? Where was Trump for him? You know, it’s not words that make a difference it’s actions! Where’s Trump in terms of defending the alternative media from this hysteria of censorship? No where! Oh he’ll say a few words here and there. Action? Zilch!

 

Green: Kushner was meeting with all of them privately.

 

Icke: Yeah! People like Peter Thiel, his advisor on tech. He’s one of the major people involved in the Silicon Valley tech industry producing technology of surveillance, etc., for the CIA and are others of their ilk! So I look at Trump, I hear the words and I see the actions and they’re not the same!

 

Green: Right! I completely agree there, but he was given, …

 

Icke: That what happens when you support politicians instead of exposing the rigged system.

 

Green: Right. Yeah I completely [40:00] agree! They were using Cambridge Analytica to get the right talking points, to win over the undecided voters, the on the fence voters, the conspiracy movement, the Alex Jones people. They were dog whistling. He was doing demagoguery telling people what they wanted to hear! And I also agree that he’s the figurehead and the poster boy for the hatred and the divide and conquer, except it’s not zionists that are being blamed for what Trump does it’s White Christian men that are being scapegoated for all this!

 

And also, you know, that the dialectic, the false paradigm, with the Left and the right we see Antifa, which supports Israel and is controlled by the same hidden hand. And then we have like these marches with the Proud Boys, which actually marches with the jewish Defense League and is also incredibly zionist. And then the dialectic with the Soros, the Sasours and the Squad vs Trump. What’s your take on them? You say Soros is a zionist controlled opposition in the book.

 

Icke: Oh yeah. I mean, I think, you know, before when you go any further I’ll just define what I’m exposing in the book very quickly, then I’ll come to Soros which will be relevant to that. I’m exposing in the book not a jewish plot, because I know lots of jewish people, I’ve come across lots of jewish people in my life and they haven’t got a clue what’s been done in their name. And then you’ve got the ultra zionists, some of them will be part of this cult, and some of them, probably most of them, will have simply been so programmed to believe in the “my country right, or wrong, anything that’s good for Israel must be supported”

 

Green: The “chosen lie” also you say.

 

Icke: Yeah. Well all that stuff I go into in the book. So at the core where it’s really coming from, where they really know what’s happening and why, is very, very few! And like I say they’re not jewish as we would perceive jewish. They are a “death cult”! They are a satanic cult that goes back at least to the time of the 17th century, and a guy called Sabbatai Zevi who said he was the jewish Messiah. And, you know, a lot of people watching this program, because of your work over the years will be aware of much of this anyway, but for those who were not.

 

And this cult of Zevi decided they were going to invert everything that jewishness and Judaism up to that point had stood for. Invert everything! So, if the orthodoxy was that on this day it’s a day of fasting, to this cult which became known as Sabbateans, it would be a day of feasting! Now that doesn’t sound too bad, but then you start inverting everything else and you start then inverting beliefs to the point where not only is sex with children not a taboo, it’s encouraged, because it’s an inversion! And in their mind, in the core of this cult, it was only a sales pitch, but many of the people that followed it believed it.

 

The idea was that it was “redemption through sin”. In other words, you do more and more evil, as much evil as you can. And basically the more evil you do the quicker God will come and sort the world out, to put it in its basic form. And this Sabbatean cult and Sabbatai Zevi got at one point around a million followers. Now you think how many jewish people that are in the world now, think how many there were in the 17th century. And he had a million of them! Now that’s a big chunk.

 

Green: I heard it was half, I heard it was about half of the jewish people.

 

Icke: That makes sense of the numbers, yeah. And so what then happened see is he was operating in Ottoman Empire controlled Turkey. And the Sultan gave him a an ultimatum:

 

“You either convert and your followers to Islam otherwise you ain’t gonna be around very long!”

 

And he considered it, not for very long, I would think, and said:

 

“Okay we’ll convert!”

 

But he didn’t convert, except on the surface. They outwardly worshiped as [45:01] Muslims, but they were really following their Sabbatean religion, cult, in private, in secret. And these people became known as the Donmeh, or Dönmah which means to “turn”. And these Dönmeh went on expanding and their great technique was infiltration. Of course they’re now infiltrated Islam through this fake conversion, but later they started infiltrating the Roman Catholic Church. They manifested in southern States of America as Christian zionism, etc.

 

I talked about in the book, one of the ways they manifested this Dönmeh eventually, was as the Saudi Arabian royal family. And the Saudi Arabian royal family were put into power by the British Empire. And a British Empire in league with the Saudi, House of Saud, introduced a guy called Wahab. And Wahab’s daughter married into the Saudi royal family. And from Wahab came the extreme, head-chopping, arm chopping, version of Islam called Wahabism, which is ISIS, which is what? Saudi Arabia today, run by the Saudi royal family!

 

And this is why in the shadows the Saudi royal family and the other aspect of the cult in Israel, have been very close. And even since the emergence of this crown prince psychopath Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia, it’s actually been more even on the surface.

 

And this Sabbatean cult then went into even new depths of depravity in the 18th century, when a guy called Jacob Frank appeared, claiming that he was the reincarnation of Sabbatai Zevi and the reincarnation of the biblical patriarch Jacob. And he took this whole thing into overdrive, not least in infiltrating the Roman Church.

 

And then another point in the 1800s, the 1700s, sorry the 18th century. Jacob Frank got together with the founder of the Rothschild dynasty, Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Who got together both of them with a guy called Adam Weishaupt and they created what became known as the Illuminati. And the Illuminati became a front for this, what was then, Sabbatean Frankism, this cult. And they moved in on Palestine in the way that we’ve seen.

 

I mean, you look at the Balfour Declaration during the First World War when the foreign secretary of Britain, Lord Arthur Balfour made the declaration that the British Empire supported a homeland for jewish people in Palestine. And you find when you scratch away the official story, that there was a secret society in London started by the Rothschilds, called the Round Table, first head of it was a guy called Cecil Rhodes who plundered southern Africa for the Rothschilds.

 

And the Balfour Declaration was actually a letter from Lord Balfour, foreign secretary, and inner circle initiative the Round Table secret society, to the funder of the Round Table secret society Lord Rothschild! And the letter was almost certainly written by a guy called Alfred Milner, who was a Rothschild connected banker, who by that time was the head of the Round Table secret society.

 

From that secret society, by the way, that Round Table was spawned the Council on Foreign Relations in America in 1921, the Bilderberg Group in 1954, the Trilateral Commission in 1972-73, etc. And so by now we’re in the 20th century this whole cult is now expanding itself into Israel, across Europe, into America. And this vast network of [50:02] manipulation and funding, this vast network of ultra zionist groups, most famously AIPAC, in the end are expressions of this Sabbatean Frankism cult, which has been expanding it’s power through the centuries to present day.

 

And sources that I’ve quoted in the book about all this and the Sabbatean Frankist cult and it’s gathering area of control, are actually jewish sources! Because there are people in the jewish community, not nearly enough, but there are some who absolutely know what I’ve just described is true!

 

So when people say that Ike says it’s a jewish plot, that’s exactly what I’m not saying! That’s why I say jewish people in general need to read this book, “The Trigger” more urgently that anyone, to see actually was controlling them. I’m exposing a network of interlopers that have infiltrated the jewish community, and control Israel, that have infiltrated Islam via the Saudi royal family, that have infiltrated Christianity by Christian zionism, and so on, and so forth. It goes on!

 

Green: But at the core of all of this wouldn’t you say it’s essentially the Bible and Biblical prophecy? You wouldn’t have a Sabbatai Zevi and a Jacob Frank if there wasn’t the prophecies for them to return to Jerusalem and build the temple and then have their Moshiach come. So isn’t it just kind of like a twisted interpretation of Judaism?

 

Icke: Yeah what I did do in the book, is I made clear that this what I call “Hidden Hand” network, this global web, goes back a long, long, time. Way beyond Sabbatai Zevi! I mean, you’ve got the Knights Templar that were created in the twelfth century that also had the goal of rebuilding Solomon’s Temple in Jerusalem, which is what this moving of the embassy is all about. That’s where it’s leading. That’s why they want to clear out that part of Jerusalem of Muslim people, because that’s where they want to go to the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple.

 

I go into all that in the book especially in relation to this smart-grid, etc. So yes, this is goes back much further than this cult. But when you pick it up and you follow it through to present time, this cult has become a massively central and important part of this global web of manipulation and control, which is not only focused in Israel in this network we’re talking about now. It’s much wider than that, but this is a fundamentally important part of it in terms of current events and events of the 20th century and beyond.

 

Green: There’s certainly like a fork in the road of Judaism they changed their ideology when they decided that they were gonna start doing everything they could to fulfill prophecies on their own. Before that they were supposed to wait for the very clear Moshiach to come to lead them back. So now it’s self-fulfilling prophecy, that’s kind of a little bit of the difference they have. But at the core don’t, …

 

Icke: You’re absolutely right, you’re absolutely right. Once you have a blueprint and people believe that this is prophecy, … I mean, look how the Christians and the Christians ironists are manipulated by belief in prophecy, because then when you’re a manipulator as you rightly identify, all you’ve got to do is manipulate those prophecies to appear to be happening and they’ll all come with you, because they think God’s doing it! You’re absolutely right! That’s exactly what’s going on.

 

Green: And, you know, with Trump they’re putting him on the coin, and they’re moving the capital to Jerusalem, they’re really, the Sanhedrin is calling for the United Nations to be dissolved and have a new, you know, the law must come forth from zion. So they’re trying to fulfill all this and in the book you do such a great job covering the Israeli tech dominance and their agenda with AI, and all the rest of it. I wanted to show this article to you to make sure that you’ve seen this. I think I remember you sharing it. You can see my screen right? Yeah, BBC, where’s that, yeah, [55:00]:

 

“Smartphone users warned to be careful of the Antichrist.”

 

So can you explain a little bit about how they’re gonna be able to pull off this world government and complete domination with the advanced tech agenda?

 

Icke: Well, you know, I’ve been attacked over decades for mentioning the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. And I mentioned them first of all for one simple reason. I hadn’t got into all the stuff at the time. Well I’m going way back into the 90s. And the reason I mentioned him was quite simple to say that what they predict has actually happened, it is happening! So how come? What I was saying in those days, you know, were they written by just an extraordinary prophet, or did someone just get extraordinarily lucky? I mean, look at what’s happened and what they say they’re gonna do!

 

And as I’ve understood more, it’s become clear to me that what these Protocols are, and I’m quite open to the fact that what we see is not the original Protocols, but a version of them, probably a cut-down version of them. And you know, people say it was a forgery, well it was forgery of what? Because a forgery is a forgery of something else. And so the more that I’ve understood the deeper, deeper, wider aspects of all this, the more it’s become clear to me that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, are not a jewish plot agenda, they are a Sabbatean Frankist death cult agenda!

 

And, by the way, just before we move on, as I pointed out in previous books and emphasized again in this, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, one of the big red flags of that is if you mentioned them then you’re immediately subject to a deluge of abuse, you’re a Nazi, or this that and the other! And what people say is you can’t talk about them, because they were shown to be a forgery by The Times newspaper in 1921. And you talk to people on the Left they’ll say that:

 

“Oh no they shown to be a forgery.”

 

Well, you know, when you look into that, those Times newspaper articles also appear in the New York Times, on which the Protocols were a forgery and, you know, made up, basically on which that is based. Those articles were written by a British military intelligence agent called Philip Graves. And he worked with a guy called T.E. Lawrence, the famous “Lawrence of Arabia” of course, the famous movie. And what did Lawrence of Arabia do? He was a British military operative, and his role was to manipulate the Arab people of Palestine during the First World War to join the British in kicking the Ottoman Empire out of those lands. And what Lawrence did to achieve this was promised the, what we’ll call the Palestinians, that they would have rights to self-determination on that land, once the Ottoman Empire was removed. Now Lawrence, of course, knew that wasn’t true! He knew that they wanted to get rid of the Ottoman Empire cc. So that the door was open for Israel to be created as it eventually was in 1948.

 

So getting rid of the Ottoman Empire was very, very important. And the guy who produced a Russian emigre which was the Philip Graves’ source in those articles, for the fact that the Protocols were a forgery, was Allen Dulles. Allen Dulles! The first head of the CIA, civilian head of the CIA! And a man who was up to his neck in intrigue, and mendacity, his entire career. And he was operating at that time in a diplomatic role in Turkey, and [60:01] produced this emigres — never named —and the emigres was given a loan by The Times newspaper which was not expected to be paid back. And this is how those articles came about.

 

But you say to that, Adam, to anybody, or ask the question of anybody that says the Protocols, they were shown to be a forgery and not to be taken seriously. You ask them well how did those articles come about? And they won’t be able to tell you, but that’s how they came about. So I’m interested in the truth not a statue and a round of applause! And therefore in the book I’ve looked at these Protocols, and what they say. Not to say proof of a jewish plot, I’m not talking about a jewish plot I’m talking about a Sabbatean Frankist death cult plot!

 

And what you find is they talk about a, basically, a world king ruling the world from Jerusalem Israel. And course this is something that I’ve made absolutely clear many times over the years, because it’s really important to know. So many pennies drop when you realize this. There is a level of knowledge in the mainstream public arena that the population in general see and are aware of and therefore they believe that that is the cutting edge of human knowledge. Like technology, what is the cutting edge of technology in the public arena, is the cutting edge of technology? No it’s not, because in the secret underground projects, and under the secret bases, technology is light years above and ahead of what we see in the public arena.

 

And they’re putting it into the public arena in a particular sequence, with cover stories telling you it’s just been invented, when it’s actually been known about for a long, long, time. And then there’s another level of knowledge, which this “Hidden Hand”, secret society network death cult has, and that knowledge is way way be and anything that people see in the public arena. And anyone that wants to bring that knowledge into the public arena they are either ridiculed as mad, or crazy, or dangerous, and all this stuff. And it’s abused and discredited, because they don’t want the public to know what they know.

 

And it may sound fantastic to people listening to this and well it will have to. But when, back in the 20th century, they were talking in the hidden about a “world king” and the world being ruled from Israel, they knew how it was going to be done! Whereas the members of the public in human society at that time, how it was going to be done, was via technology they would have thought was fantasy and impossible except that now all these decades later it’s part of human life and everyday life that technology! But they knew about it then.

 

This is that the two levels of knowledge. One in there hidden, and one in the public arena. So the more that the technological focus, the cutting edge of technological development, has started to focus upon Israel, the more how this World King, ruling from Israel, becomes explainable.

 

And it locks into something that I’ve been exposing in my books and talks and videos, etc., for so long. And that’s the plan to create this “smart grid”. Tell you how fast things are moving. I remember writing in books not that long ago that we need to we need to watch, because the plan is to bring in an “Internet of Things” where all technologies, even your domestic appliances are connected to the Internet. And now it’s commonplace! Billions of items are connected to the Internet! And whoever controls the internet, controls those items.

 

And what we’re seeing now out of Silicon Valley, and, you know, people like Elon Musk who tells you that [65:01] artificial intelligence could be the end of humanity — brackets true — and then starts a company called Neural Link to connect computers to the human brain! I mean, hello! And has he ever explained that? I’m not sure he’s ever been asked about it.

 

And then you’ve got Ray Kurzweil, another ultra-zionist, an executive of Google, who’s actually put a year on it! By 2030, artificial intelligence — which basically runs the internet now — and is increasingly running more and more human life, recently even your car, and all that technology in your car. You know, as we go closer and closer to driverless cars, that’s all being made in Israel. And Kurzweil saying that by 2030 the human brain will be connected to artificially intelligence, so these are his words not mine, that once that connection is made, more and more of human thinking will be done by AI until human thinking as we currently experienced it will be virtually negligible! That’s his words.

 

And then you start to see this concentration of global technological power and smart grid power in Israel! And the creation of this massive Center at Beersheba — which is run by the military — which is completely focused on controlling cyberspace, and controlling AI, and controlling this communication grid — I call the smart grid.

 

At the same time although these major Silicon Valley companies, your Facebook’s and your major tech companies, your Intel’s, and your Microsoft’s, all of these major major technology AI companies, their research and development is being moved to Israel around this Beersheba complex, this massive Beersheba complex which is controlled by the military. And it’s out of there, by the way, that when you say anything on social media that is anyway criticizing Israel, you get this backlash. Well a lot of them that are are posting those comments against you are actually wearing uniforms in Israel, Beersheba!

 

Green: Absolutely! The matrix, you write in the book, the matrix calls it the “zion mainframe”. I had missed that I didn’t realize that. And you also write about 5G a lot. I’m wondering have you seen the movie the Kingsmen.

 

Icke: No not yet.

 

Green: The plot of that is a group of billionaires use the new cell phone towers to put out a frequency to cause everybody to kill each other.

 

Icke: Well, I’ve written about that Adam, at length in my books. I mean, I’ve research so many different subjects and they all connect. And one of the fundamental subjects to research to understand the nature of what’s happening is the nature of human thought, human emotion, even the nature of what is the human “I”! In other words, who are we, what is this reality that we’re experiencing.

 

But if you merely take the brain, what the brain is a processor of information. And it works electrically, electromagnetically, and in terms of frequency vibration. And if you are communicating information within the brains frequency band, in a form that it can decode — same with a genetic structure in general — you will start impacting upon and dictating perception!

 

I’ve shown in some of my books how research has been done that has identified particular frequencies. That if you broadcast them they will basically bring the people that receive them into a state of rage! I mean, you can do this, once you understand how reality works. And 5G is being brought in with no testing. I don’t whether you saw the question that a group of people who were the some of the big bods of the telecommunications industry were asked [70:01] on Capitol Hill in hearings about 5G. They were asked:

 

“How much money have you spent on independent testing into the physical effects of 5G.”

 

Never mind the psychological effects which are just as important. And the answer was nothing! Not a penny! It’s been brought in all around the world with no testing, because if it was independently tested and those results were publicly published, then 5G would never get the chance of being used. But 5G, because of the frequency band that it’s in. It’s a new frequency band, it’s not an expanded more powerful version of 4G. It’s a different part of the electromagnetic spectrum. And it’s also very much more powerful, and they need at least 5G to run this smart grid.

 

And like I say when I started seeing this concentration of power, and also as I mentioned earlier, Netanyahu openly bragging to choir audiences, that this is what basically they were doing, they were becoming the technological power center of the world. Then how they could control the world from Israel as the Protocols say, became technologically understandable. Because once you have an AI connection to the human brain, and you have an AI connection to all human technology, via the internet, then you can control all of it from a central point, from which you dictate the frequencies that you are transmitting! And therefore it becomes technologically possible to control an entire human society globally from a central point.

 

I mean, not look to an extent, now even on the communication level, that small area of land called Silicon Valley how much power that has globally over human perception! We’re not even talking yet about a direct connection, we’re still talking about control of information which pit from which people form perceptions. We’re not on the next stage yet which is you getting your perceptions direct via AI. But even, now look at the power that that small area of America Silicon Valley has over human perception. Now perceive what would be possible if from a central point you had a connection to every human mind every human brain. And, by the way, to bring about this smart grid they have to have every inch of planet Earth covered by an internet connection, an AI connection if you like.

 

And that’s why — here we go again — led by Elon Musk and his SpaceX, thousands of satellites are going up to beam the cloud — as Kurzweil calls it — to every inch of the planet! They’re creating what’s called the smart grid, I was calling in my books decades ago the “technological sub-reality”. That’s what it is. It’s creating a “technological sub-reality”. You can call it a “simulation” if you like.

 

Green: A virtual world.

 

Icke: Yeah. Connecting to the human brain. And that’s why people like Kurzweil and all these other people are talking about people living their lives more and more through quote “virtual reality”. What they mean by “virtual reality” is simply a reality that they control and dictate! That’s where we’re going. And that’s why even though I know what the reaction will be by this cult, and it’s gophers to “The Trigger”, I wrote it anyway! Not thinking of consequences.

 

I’m 67 okay. I’m gonna be around a long time yet, but I gotta be around as long as a 20 year old, and a 15 year old, and a 10 year old. And when I look at my grandkids, and my kids, and I look at everyone else’s grandkids and grandkids, and even people relatively getting on it years still, I look at the world they are going [75:00] to live in unless unless backbones get stiffened, and self-censorship starts deleting, and we start looking this in the eye and circulating in this information of where we’re going! Because coming back the “dots connect” the more you speak!

 

This same network that’s doing all this, to this end, is also controlling through the expanded definition of “anti-semitism” and through control of Silicon Valley, they are controlling the that not only are they doing what they’re doing, they’re controlling and suppressing the exposure of what they’re doing!

 

And so when I bring out “The Trigger” and within days Facebook, controlled by the cult ultimately, says we’re basically going to delete your page, well that’s par for the course! And you would have come across this Adam before, I’m sure. But I do have to smile, I come across it all the time, people say to you:

 

“You can’t do that! You can’t say that! That’s not true!”

 

And then they prove you right! I got banned from Australia earlier this year. And I got the ban four hours before my plane left, because the Immigration Minister, a guy called David Coleman was told what he was going to do. And he was told what he was going to do by a guy called Abramovich who runs a man and a dog organization in Australia called the Anti-Defamation Commission — brackets read Anti-Defamation League — and the idea was that I shouldn’t be allowed into Australia, because I was saying that some people, a cabal, has so much power even though they’re very small in number, over countries. So I was wrong, I should be banned for saying that! So what they did was, this cabal, said to the minister:

 

“He’s not coming in!”

 

And I got banned four hours before my plane left! So what they’re doing all the time is they’re saying:

 

“What you’re saying is not true!”

 

And then they prove you’re right!

 

Green: Right.

 

Icke: It’s what Facebook’s doing now with in reaction to “The Trigger”

 

Green: All the media over there in Australia is most of it so that was attacking you is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who many have reported is a Rothschild front? He’s obviously in the Cabal. And, you know, after you got banned from Australia I wanted, I was gonna bring that up when we close out here in a minute. And I loved how they brought you on the talk show too, because they wanted to smear you. And you wouldn’t back down. They were trying to force you to use that magic number that’s so important to them [6,000,000] and you wouldn’t do it! And you wouldn’t back down to their bullying! And I really respect your courage for that and for writing this incredible, and incredibly important book!

 

Icke: Well this is the point, you know, Adam and it does frustrate me and I do mention it one, or two times in the book in relation to people. If you say things and you believe they are true and you can support them with factual evidence, when you get the backlash, why do people apologize? Is what you said true, can you back it up factually? Yeah! So why did you apologize? You see this all the time! People, often increasingly, because it’s, you know, the walls closing in, they’re very mild comments some people make about Israel on social media, or something. Maybe a celebrity, and bingo! That backlash comes not least out of Beersheba, and they start apologizing! What are you apologizing for!

 

Green: Congressman Ted Lieu just did this. You know, back to the tech. You get into the book how all of this “Internet of Things” is gonna tie on in the future with nanotech and smart dust and the neuro links and all this. It’s incredibly dangerous stuff. And one other thing I wanted to point out that I thought was interesting. You say this is a “Babylonian plot” as well. It goes back more than just, they want more than just Jerusalem, they want ancient Babylon as well, which explains how the Greater Israel would include Babylon there.

 

Icke: Well if you follow the history back, the Babylonians came out of what is now Iraq, between the Tigris and the Euphrates. And they moved up and there’s very good evidence that they became eventually, they became connected to the Khazars, from which, of course, the vast majority of the jewish [80:01] people alive today come from, in than Russia, the Khazarian Empire. And the Babylonians also moved in and created Rome, or the people that were the successors to the Babylonians.

 

And this is why you have the Babylonian Trinity of Nimrod, the Father God, and Tomas Nino’s the virgin born son, and Queen Semiramis the Virgin Mother. And they used to say in Babylon that when Nimrod died he became the Sun God Baal and impregnated the Queen Semiramis with the Rays of the Sun and she gave a virgin birth to two Tomas Minos. And when they moved in on Rome that eventually became the Christian Trinity, of Father God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit. And Christians they symbolized the Holy Spirit ghost as a dove, which was the symbol of Queen Semiramis in Babylon. So it’s the same Trinity really. And the traits given to Queen Semiramis by the Babylonians, like a virgin mother, Queen of Heaven and all that stuff, they were given to an invented character called Mother Mary in the rewritten Babylonian religion, that became known as Christianity. And Christianity is the outward publicly acceptable version of the Babylonian religion.

 

So when you for instance you have the Eucharist where they’re eating the flesh as bread, or a biscuit, and drinking the blood as wine, it’s just a publicly acceptable way of basically symbolizing — although most people in Christianity don’t know this — Christian symbolizing the literal eating of the flesh and drinking of the blood which is the Babylonian religion is engaged in. And, because this cult which eventually manifested as Sabbetean Frankism, but there are many other expressions of it, not just that one, the reason that they are engaged in sacrifice and all this horror in their rituals and their satanic rituals is, because it’s just a continuation of the Babylonian religion.

 

In the ancient world, because of the nature of, you know, human maturity if you like they could do it openly, but now they have to do it secretly. And this is why, this is why so many famous people get caught out with Satanism and with them pedophilia. Those two are massively connected as I’ve explained in the books why that is. So when you come across to Epstein, Adam, you’re looking at classic.

 

We had a Jeffrey Epstein in Britain exposed a few years ago now call Jimmy Savile. Jimmy Savile was a record-breaking pedophile, but what the mainstream media did not cover is the real story. He was a procurer of children for the rich and famous. And he was an inner bosom circle member of the British royal family, from the 1960s almost to his death. A very close friend of Prince Charles, almost in fact, to Savile’s death in terms of Charles.

 

And even according to Savile himself he was brought into the bosom the inner circle of the British royal family by a royal family member called Lord Mountbatten, who is a known pedophile! I’ve been naming him as a pedophile for a long time. And then very recently, just that last maybe two, three weeks a books been published which produces FBI documents in which they are quoting people that Lord Mountbatten was a pedophile.

 

And so, in that Savile ring he was procuring children for the rich and famous. And, of course, once people accept that, they become a blackmailers nightmare! And many of them were politicians including Ted Heath the former Prime Minister of Britain that took us into the European Union. And I exposed him as a pedophile and a Satanist in “The Biggest Secret”, while he was still an MP. And the book passage was read to him in the week of publication. He did nothing! Why? Because it was true!

 

And seventeen years after I published that book, Wiltshire police in Britain started an inquiry after his death into his [85:02] pedophilia activities. And they concluded that if they had, if he was alive, they would have actually had him in for questioning, because the evidence would have supported that.

 

And so then you go to Epstein and you see the same principle! He’s procuring young girls for the rich and famous, and the politically influential. And once they’ve accepted it they’re at it. And you see now these women, who were young girls at the time in this Epstein ring, who were saying there were hidden cameras and the audio microphones all over the place, because it’s a blackmail ring!

 

And then you look at his alleged madame Ghellaine Maxwell. Ghellaine Maxwell is the daughter of an infamous Mossad operative called Bob Maxwell, her father, who was a media owner in Britain. I met him once, I interviewed him, because he was an owner of a football club and I interviewed him about his football club. One of the most unpleasant pieces of work I’ve ever met me life, Robert Maxwell. And I mentioned him in the book and how he was operating in their tech, covert operation, Mossad’s tech covert operation through this Promise software, which had backdoors in it so that Mossad could get into computer systems in governments and military and intelligence all over the place and corporations. And he was a he was a Mossad agent.

 

And here’s his daughter who’s supposed to be the madam of Jeffrey Epstein. And that was again another black whale operation. And that’s why people are running for cover in all directions because they don’t want what they were involved in coming out.

 

Green: Right. I just read recently that Robert Maxwell’s last phone call was with a Habad rabbi. You mentioned Habad, you mentioned the Rebbe Schneerson, you mentioned Lurianic kabbalah. I didn’t see anything in the book about Noahide laws. Was that just, because you didn’t want to have to write a whole another huge chapter, or what’s your quick take on Noahide laws?

 

Icke: You know, the book’s like about 850 pages!

 

Green: I know, can’t cover it all.

 

Icke: There’s a limit. But people should should look them up. But the thing is about Maxwell is that just to show the hypocrisy of it, is he was murdered, of course. Victor Ostrovsky the Mossad agent who wrote the books about Mossad, wrote a second book, in which he mentioned that Maxwell was a Mossad agent, and how Mossad killed him on his boat which was appropriately called the lady Ghislaine after his daughter. Because at that time it was very well known in Britain, Maxwell’s media empire was breaking up. His life was breaking up, everything was breaking up around him, and he became a liability, and they wanted rid of him. And having killed him on his boat they then gave him a hero’s funeral on the Mount of Olives. Which just shows the hypocrisy really.

 

And also shows that the people running Israel have no no connection really to the traditions of Judaism. They have inverted them! Everything is inverted! And they have contempt for your rank-and-file jewish people. As they have contempt even for the ultra-zionists who are not part of the cult but have bought their “Israel right, or wrong” philosophy. They’re just pawns in there in the game of the death cult without even realizing, that’s the situation. And that the death cult core will have absolute contempt for them as well. They’re just pawns in the game. Same with the Christian zionists. They will have contempt for them. They will be laughing at them.

 

And we need to open our eyes and free people to get this information circulating, so that we can have a mature open debate on actually where the world’s going, why, and who’s actually behind it. And no one needs to know this more than jewish people, urgently they do!

 

Green: I absolutely agree. David, I know you got to get going, you’ve got other interviews to do. I hope to see you all over making the rounds talking about all this information. I really commend your courage, and this was truly a surreal interview for me. You’ve been, you know, the biggest name in alternative media. [90:01] I’ve been watching your videos for over a decade. You’re a walking encyclopedia. Thank you for taking the time. I hope we can do it again sometime, we talk about so many of the same issues it’d be great to get you back on again, soon.

 

Icke: Well I’m sure mate, there’s gonna be a lot to talk about, because we are heading for the endgame now. And people need to wake up to it fast. And that means putting the side consequences and just saying and doing what, you know, to be right. And you do that, and I’ve got a lot of admiration for your way of telling the truth without fearing the consequences. And if there were more people doing that the world will be a better place, and a very different place.

 

Green: I fear the consequences of not speaking out.

 

Icke: Exactly!

 

Green: That’s what drives it actually. All right David.

 

Icke: Well, I just want to say to people all the time, don’t think about the consequences of doing what, you know, to be right. Think about the consequences of not doing it! And that too me as it is clearly for you is unthinkable!

 

Green: Absolutely! It’s what drives me to speak out about this stuff every day. So, follow on Twitter. You’re under attack on Facebook, everybody follow there as well. Sub to the website is David Icke dot com. All the links will be in the description. The YouTube channel David Icke, where you’re posting videos as well. Thank you so much for coming on David. Have a great day and I hope to speak with you soon, you’re a legend.

 

Icke: Cheers Adam, bye!

 

Green: All right. Take care! Bye.

 

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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:49 pm)

I support it. Here’s why.

1. The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are too big to overlook. These parallels include using both events to justify war crimes in the Middle East, there being an ‘official’ version for both events, and ignored, but very thought out arguments against each ‘official’ version.

2. Although 9/11 is not the Holocaust, the parallels deserve their own sub-forum, and what better website than https://forum.codoh.com?

3. This forum is very structured, and a great place to debate. Adding 9/11 in with the mix would be spice in this wonderful bowl of soup.

4. It would by default bring 9/11 truthers who believe in the Holocaust, and would further demolish ‘the Industry’ by showing him facts. And people who are looking for the truth, such as a 9/11 truther, would be much easier to convince than an antifa terrorist or a warmongering, Israel loving Republican. It would be a win-win.

5. People such as Callahan and myself both favor this proposed sub-forum. If people don’t like it, or aren’t interested, they simply can avoid it. It really is that simple.

6. This isn’t flat earth or reptilian, or fringe beliefs. This is a position which very intelligent people disagree, and by no means would it make us look bad. The ADL and SPLC already defame us.

For these reasons, I support a separate sub-forum for 9/11 on this website.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Dresden » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:54 pm)

I agree with JLAD on all points.

The ‘Holocaust’ and 9-11 are really joined at the hip.

It might be/probably will be, more difficult to Moderate a 9-11 Forum than a ‘Holocaust’ Forum because it is so much more important to the perpetrators to keep the lid on 9-11.

No doubt, there will be infiltrators and agent saboteurs who will join the 9-11 Forum with the intent to start fights and heated arguments in order to get the Moderator to close the Forum own, but hopefully whoever the Moderator will be, will be able to spot them.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Werd » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:23 pm)

If someone wanted to talk about 9-11 and the Israeli connections to it, does that mean we will then have to open up the forum to Israeli connections to

1. JFK
2. USS Liberty
3. Lavon Affair
4. Jewish AIPAC lobby/spy rings
5. Jews and immigration

and any other number of false flag or conspiracies? When will it stop? I have things to say about 9-11 and that list of 5 things. But I don’t see the need to drag them in. I can do without it. I don’t mind a strictly holocaust forum staying that way.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:24 pm)

Werd wrote:If someone wanted to talk about 9-11 and the Israeli connections to it, does that mean we will then have to open up the forum to Israeli connections to

1. JFK
2. USS Liberty
3. Lavon Affair
4. Jewish AIPAC lobby/spy rings
5. Jews and immigration

No, and those examples lack the parallel that the Holocaust has with 9/11. See my post above.

Werd wrote:and any other number of false flag or conspiracies? When will it stop? I have things to say about 9-11 and that list of 5 things. But I don’t see the need to drag them in. I can do without it. I don’t mind a strictly holocaust forum staying that way.

False, this is not a ‘strictly holocaust forum’; there already is a WWII sub forum. Should that be removed because it talks about things not necessarily Holocaust related?

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Postby Werd » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:43 pm)

The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are too big to overlook. These parallels include using both events to justify war crimes in the Middle East, there being an ‘official’ version for both events, and ignored, but very thought out arguments against each ‘official’ version.

Upon reflection, this makes a lot of sense.

The reason we have an additional section on codoh for other aspects of world war II, is because the gas chamber/gas van holocaust of the Jews is claimed to have happened at this certain time. Exposing other lies and deceptions about world war II, such as
1.how many really died at Dresden
2. Stalin’s aggressive plans that were thwarted by Barbarossa
merely justify the right and duty to investigate wild holocaust claims.

The holocaust is connected to world war II like these other things because that is precisely when they occurred.

You say 9-11 and the holocaust are connected to perpetual war and slaughter of innocent in the middle east? There is a parallel with JFK. One of the reasons he was taken out is because he was opposed to Israeli dominance in the middle east and them having nuclear weaponry. JFK also wanted to stop the Vietnam war, a war in which Jewish technocrat Henry Kissinger was involved in prolonging.
https://truthout.org/articles/millions-died-because-kissinger-prolonged-the-vietnam-war-for-years-after-betraying-peace-treaty/

Other false flags like the Lavon Affair were to be used to demonize Arabs and justify further repression of them, ala, 9-11. So again I ask, why do we get selective with some false flags that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter overseas, but not others? This is just me being devil’s advocate. I don’t care either way if we add a 9-11 forum. But if we are going to do it under the guise of destroying fables that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter, then why not other false flags that have also been used for that? Where is the cut off?

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:57 pm)

Moderator, first of all, thank you for your openness to this. I think JLAD and Dresden sum up a very large portion of why I find a bridge between Revisionism and 9/11 studies to be so important, and why I think this forum would benefit from incorporating such an element. However, truly, my own greatest intention is to share something a bit more specific with you all, here. There is a relatively unheard-of, evidence-based approach to 9/11 that I am extremely confident members here will find value in. I do think this will inevitably become the foundation for all 9/11 research going forward (once it becomes known), and it very much pertains to the distinction between Revisionist research (which is strictly evidence-based, critical, and open) and establishment Holocaust research (emotionally-driven, fallacious, etc.). It won’t be possible to explain here without a more proper introduction to it (which I offered in the thread I attempted to post here previously; fortunately, I saved the text for future use, just in case). If an entirely new forum for 9/11 isn’t something most members here would appreciate, I would very much value the opportunity to at least post the thread I had initially intended to share. As hard-to-believe as it may be considering the ridiculous spectrum of 9/11 theories and many hostile, fruitless debates since 2001, I can very near guarantee that–regardless of what you have heard about either “side” or fringe in the debate on 9/11 previously–this will be new to you, and will provide a refreshing style of technical analyses that will open your mind to this subject in new and productive ways.

As far as having a separate 9/11 forum, I think this could be a great idea as well however I do recognize the challenges that might come with moderating such a forum. The problem is, people are very passionate about whatever theory they end up aligning with, one way or another. Each theory relies on a vast amount of information from within its own paradigm and the heated debates between people of competing paradigms are often so ill-informed and grounded in so little actual, immediately verifiable evidence that the whole debate becomes a petty argument rather than an analysis of grounded, indisputable facts. The “evidence-based approach” I refer to is a solution to this problem, and I have seen it work. But beside this approach being introduced I have several ideas that might help alleviate certain problems. Since there are, at this time, at most five or six major technical theories about 9/11 (some of which are patently ridiculous, in my opinion, such as DEW energy beams, mini-nukes); it may be advisable to have a separate pinned thread for each of the competing technical theories. This will enable those who align with (or are passionate about) a particular theory to share what they regard as plausible evidence within their assigned thread. Those who are interested can add-onto what they find credible, or challenge it there. Viewers of the forum can tour each proposal for technical theories and appraise credibility. Then the unpinned, general posts can be any discussion of compatibility or consensus between these technical theories as well as any discussion of the means/motive of 9/11 (which I think most of us here already possess enough knowledge to make a clear case for).

While I would understand the basis for Werd’s concern about the Revisionists’ forum if 9/11 topics were casually permitted throughout, I do not see the harm if a 9/11 forum is kept strictly separated as its own (perhaps even on a “trial basis”?). As JLAD mentioned, if people don’t like it, they can simply scroll past. The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are undeniable. 9/11 is far more relevant to the Holocaust than any other Zionist-Jewish crimes of the last century (Lavon affair, USS Liberty, etc.). It is the “Big Lie” of the 21st century, demonstrably so, and for nearly the same purposes.

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Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:27 pm)

No.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Pia Kahn » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:21 pm)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:I support it. Here’s why.

1. The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are too big to overlook. These parallels include using both events to justify war crimes in the Middle East, there being an ‘official’ version for both events, and ignored, but very thought out arguments against each ‘official’ version.

2. Although 9/11 is not the Holocaust, the parallels deserve their own sub-forum, and what better website than https://forum.codoh.com?

3. This forum is very structured, and a great place to debate. Adding 9/11 in with the mix would be spice in this wonderful bowl of soup.

4. It would by default bring 9/11 truthers who believe in the Holocaust, and would further demolish ‘the Industry’ by showing him facts. And people who are looking for the truth, such as a 9/11 truther, would be much easier to convince than an antifa terrorist or a warmongering, Israel loving Republican. It would be a win-win.

5. People such as Callahan and myself both favor this proposed sub-forum. If people don’t like it, or aren’t interested, they simply can avoid it. It really is that simple.

6. This isn’t flat earth or reptilian, or fringe beliefs. This is a position which very intelligent people disagree, and by no means would it make us look bad. The ADL and SPLC already defame us.

For these reasons, I support a separate sub-forum for 9/11 on this website.

Great post.

I am for such a separate forum for the reasons posted above. I have talked about the parallels between both events on a few occasions and they were eventually deleted because they are supposedly off topic. 9/11 is a huge crack in the matrix and many people who eventually start doubting the holocaust are 9/11 “truthers”. The 9/11 movement is humungous compared to holocaust revisionism. Generally, people who have that guts to think for themselves and rely on solid forensic evidence instead of hearsay. Those are the people we should attract and you will find lot’s of 9/11 truthers among them.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:29 am)

Werd wrote:The reason we have an additional section on codoh for other aspects of world war II, is because the gas chamber/gas van holocaust of the Jews is claimed to have happened at this certain time. Exposing other lies and deceptions about world war II, such as
1.how many really died at Dresden
2. Stalin’s aggressive plans that were thwarted by Barbarossa
merely justify the right and duty to investigate wild holocaust claims.The holocaust is connected to world war II like these other things because that is precisely when they occurred.You say 9-11 and the holocaust are connected to perpetual war and slaughter of innocent in the middle east? There is a parallel with JFK. One of the reasons he was taken out is because he was opposed to Israeli dominance in the middle east and them having nuclear weaponry. JFK also wanted to stop the Vietnam war, a war in which Jewish technocrat Henry Kissinger was involved in prolonging.
https://truthout.org/articles/millions-died-because-kissinger-prolonged-the-vietnam-war-for-years-after-betraying-peace-treaty/Other false flags like the Lavon Affair were to be used to demonize Arabs and justify further repression of them, ala, 9-11. So again I ask, why do we get selective with some false flags that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter overseas, but not others? This is just me being devil’s advocate. I don’t care either way if we add a 9-11 forum. But if we are going to do it under the guise of destroying fables that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter, then why not other false flags that have also been used for that? Where is the cut off?

I think the degree of 9/11 in it’s ability to change the entire social paradigm of the West is obvious, as with the Holocaust. The scale of this lie and the extent that Zionist-Jewish and corrupt Western elements were so directly involved, for the purpose of proliferating Israel and justifying wars to that end, makes this event a clear distinction from the others and far more in parallel to the Holocaust. This also entails that the social activism and research in this regard is of a similar degree of importance as the Holocaust. Understanding the evidence surrounding these lies will invariably lead to openness to consideration of the others, but that doesn’t mean other forums should be created for each of these topics. Creating a “bridge” between 9/11 and the Holocaust is good for Revisionism because it reaches out to another movement with similar goals and values and offers resources for those who are already at least open to being critical of Jewish power networks, and may be ready to ask even bigger questions about the historical record as it has been presented to them.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:40 am)

So here we are already turning this simple question into a 911 thread.

My answer is NO. I should explain that but won’t because whatever I say will invite the usuals from responding in detailed opinion again…

There are many good reasons for not hosting a 911 section here. Surely to God there must be hundreds of sites where the topic of 911 is tediously dissected by those who start from the wrong place in order to end up when they want to be.

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Postby Kingfisher » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:02 am)

borjastick wrote:No.

Agreed. It is completely off topic for this forum and would create the impression that to if you question the Holocaust you must automatically be a 911 “troofer”. Some posters may think there is a link but to make accepting a Revisionist approach to the Holocaust appear conditional on that link is a sure way to alienate most of our potential audience.

It’s hard enough already to get people to open their minds to asking questions about the Holocaust. This would be yet another reason for them not to take Revisionism seriously. “They’re just a bunch of conspiracy theorists.”

You persuade people one step at a time. Even limiting ourselves to the Holocaust we have to have to work step by step. First show the bodies at Belsen have nothing to do with it. Then maybe some doubts about Treblinka or Auschwitz or Babi Yar.

It’s also a slippery slope. Once we have a forum on 911, why not one on the Kennedy assassination, or the moon landings, or flying saucers, or evolution or the Abominable Snowman? Each one will muddy the waters further. We have widened the remit of the forum to cover other aspects of the two World Wars. This is good. They are closely and obviously related, and do not create the impression that to question the Holocaust you have to buy into some wider view of the world.

Please, don’t do it!

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Postby Moderator » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:19 am)

Kingfisher:

Some posters may think there is a link but to make accepting a Revisionist approach to the Holocaust appear conditional on that link is a sure way to alienate most of our potential audience.

That has always been my concern, alienating potential supporters of “holocaust” Revisionism is not acceptable for a CODOH site.
But then, as stated by Callahan and JLAD, there is the potential of gaining new “holocaust” Revisionism supporters by attracting to CODOH those who debate 9/11.

I could simply add a notice at the the top of a 9/11 Forum making it clear that “holocaust” Revisionists are not all in agreement about the various arguments concerning 9/11. The mere fact that we will get & allow competing views would hopefully make that obvious.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:23 am)

borjastick wrote:So here we are already turning this simple question into a 911 thread.

My answer is NO. I should explain that but won’t because whatever I say will invite the usuals from responding in detailed opinion again…

There are many good reasons for not hosting a 911 section here. Surely to God there must be hundreds of sites where the topic of 911 is tediously dissected by those who start from the wrong place in order to end up when they want to be.

Offering a detailed analysis of the pros and cons of a 9/11 forum accessible through a Revisionist forum (the purpose of this thread) does not mean we are now debating 9/11 here.

I wanted to provide as much insight as possible on the matter as I think this is very important and it’s obvious others here feel the same. Your own incredulity and ignorance toward important elements of this topic, Borja, don’t refute its benefits for the cause we are all fighting for here; that is, exposing the greatest lies of the liars that manipulate the historical record to serve their warmongering political agenda.

Currently, the 9/11 forums that are out there do not typically permit or consider Revisionism, despite the fact that the recent growth of Revisionism can be directly attributed to growing awareness of certain details surrounding 9/11. By treating 9/11 as an entirely foreign topic relative to Revisionism, you’re preventing pathways that could very well lead here. As much as 9/11 bickering annoys you (and believe me, I understand why), I think there are ways we can limit that here in a properly-structured forum.

It is obvious that some of the “old school” folks here want to keep things the same but we should really consider the obvious benefits of reaching out to the 9/11 research community and showing the ways we can align.

Kingfisher says we can’t take on a separate forum for 9/11 because we might not be taken seriously–CODOH has been around for 20 years! At what point has the establishment and/or the mainstream ever “taken it seriously”?! The 9/11 truth movement has been taken at least as seriously as Revisionism, and it’s popularity among professionals in the establishment reflects that. Can you really not see the difference and applicable relevance between ‘moon landing fakery’, ‘flat earth’, etc., and 9/11?

The notion of a “slippery slope” is a logical fallacy. We aren’t going to degrade into oblivion if we have a discussion forum that allows 9/11 research to occur here. There will be no “official theory” of this 9/11 forum. We will acknowledge evidence, discuss parallels to Revisionism wherever applicable, and encourage visitors to also check out the Revisionist forum. We give it six months, and if all your worst fears come true, we cancel the project. What have you got to lose?

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Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:56 am)

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Kingfisher has explained very clearly above.

This is my last post here on the subject. Me and my ‘old school’ mate Kingfisher have made our case.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Carto’s Cutlass Supreme » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:52 am)

I’m not a 9-11 Truther, but I know 1 or 2 prominent revisionists who are. I think we should have it because I think it’s always good if someone out there wants to say something about a taboo subject then they should be allowed to. I myself probably wouldn’t be participating on it.

But keep in mind how we should be grateful to those who run this forum. Because it must take significant time every day to moderate. You have to follow every thread, read maybe every post! Because of that, I’d like to see someone who is currently not a moderator, become a moderator so that the current people who volunteer without pay, to run this forum are not given extra work.

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Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:58 am)

borjastick wrote:Kingfisher has explained very clearly above.

This is my last post here on the subject. Me and my ‘old school’ mate Kingfisher have made our case.

Nothing wrong with being old school and for the record I respect you guys for being in the game so long, I just think it might cloud your judgment on this.

Kingfisher explained that he is concerned consideration of Revisionism will appear conditional upon the acceptance of “9/11 truth” arguments. This need not be the case. It does not threaten the image of revisionists to acknowledge the following:

– There is intense controversy surrounding 9/11
– There is some evidence of possibly-significant parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust
– There is a demand among many of those who embrace Revisionism to also discuss 9/11 (e.g. Rudolf, who addresses it briefly in his 2017 edition of Lectures…).

And as far as outreach goes, the pool of candidates potentially-interested in Revisionism is much larger among “conspiracy theorists” than it is among those who resent them. As much as we will have to try a bit harder to set some critical thinking “ground rules” for some of these ‘eccentric thinkers’, I think the benefits of reaching a much broader audience far outweighs any potential costs. And again, nothing is irreversible. If we try it out and it goes nowhere, backtracking is always a possibility. But considering that what lies beyond this door/bridge could be revolutionary, I think it’s worth a shot.

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Postby Pia Kahn » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:45 pm)

Callahan wrote:

borjastick wrote:Kingfisher has explained very clearly above.

This is my last post here on the subject. Me and my ‘old school’ mate Kingfisher have made our case.

Nothing wrong with being old school and for the record I respect you guys for being in the game so long, I just think it might cloud your judgment on this.

Kingfisher explained that he is concerned consideration of Revisionism will appear conditional upon the acceptance of “9/11 truth” arguments. This need not be the case. It does not threaten the image of revisionists to acknowledge the following:

– There is intense controversy surrounding 9/11
– There is some evidence of possibly-significant parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust
– There is a demand among many of those who embrace Revisionism to also discuss 9/11 (e.g. Rudolf, who addresses it briefly in his 2017 edition of Lectures…).

And as far as outreach goes, the pool of candidates potentially-interested in Revisionism is much larger among “conspiracy theorists” than it is among those who resent them. As much as we will have to try a bit harder to set some critical thinking “ground rules” for some of these ‘eccentric thinkers’, I think the benefits of reaching a much broader audience far outweighs any potential costs. And again, nothing is irreversible. If we try it out and it goes nowhere, backtracking is always a possibility. But considering that what lies beyond this door/bridge could be revolutionary, I think it’s worth a shot.

Someone, who is willing to seriously look at the arguments of holocaust revisionists, won’t be put off or back off because of a 9/11 subforum. 9/11 is kindergarden comparted to the holocaust and 9/11 truth is on the verge of becoming mainstream. This is my take.

Sure, the focus of this forum must remain on the open debate of the holocaust.

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Postby Depth Charge » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:16 pm)

I would say yes. 9/11 revisionism is trendy and more acceptable, yet has similar glaring plot holes. 9/11 is a shooting gallery, fish in a barrel, chutzpah writ large that aimed too high and paid the price. Why shouldn’t we use their other mistakes against them and bolster the destruction of holocaustianity? These people are criminals, murderers. Why separate their crimes?

Does a serial rapist get to avoid evidence presented to the jury for priors, simply because it would ‘dilute the discussion’ of the current charge?

It’s high time 9/11 activists stepped up to the plate and out of their comfort zone. And with the quality of posters here we can damn well help them on their way.

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Postby katana » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:26 pm)

First off, a thank you to the Moderator for putting a 911 forum up for consideration.

Next off, I’m in the YES camp. “911 Discussion Makes You Free!”

As others here have indicated, 911 can be a great stepping stone towards moving more people into questioning the “Holocaust”. I quite agree with that, and I believe it will help CODOH in its core mission, and not detract from it, as some have expressed concern about.

The “Holocaust” is the giant, rogue African bull elephant in the room, while 911 is like a baby rogue elephant in the room. The fact that there’s any kind of elephant in the room in the first place makes it invisible to most people, and the larger it is, the more invisible it becomes, because it just shouldn’t, couldn’t be there! Yet there they are, waiting to be seen by those with curiosity, desire for truth, and a nagging feeling that things are terribly wrong.

I came to know about the “Holocaust” and the fraudulent nature of it because of the great work of the revisionists. Around the same time and in parallel to that I became aware of the fraudulent nature of 911. Yet I think most people find 911 truth far more approachable, after all, its just a rogue “baby elephant”. After that though, only a brave minority go on to open their eyes wider and see the bull elephant in the room.

A good example of that are the Schaefer siblings, that I have been following from the beginning. Alfred and Monika Schaefer came to “Holocaust” revisionism through 911. As Callahan, JLAD, and Dresden argue, there are strong similarities operating here. The culprits are the same, and both these major events fit in with an organized jewish agenda. 911 has launched the jewish War OF Terror on the world, while using the “Holocaust” as a shield and sword to repel criticism.

So, I support CODOH giving a 911 forum a go.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby EtienneSC » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:56 am)

I am strongly opposed for the following reasons: Firstly, 9/11 is outside CODOH’s stated purpose. It is largely an American interest and CODOH is an international forum. It would expose participants to “guilt by association” without their permission.

Secondly, there are enough jihad attacks in Europe and around the world – hundreds, if not thousands every year – to make it plausible that a few Saudi Muslims would wish to damage the USA given the opportunity.

Thirdly, it would make CODOH look like a conspiracy site and thus compromise its hard-won and constantly challenged credibility on the holocaust. It would undo decades of work by serious people for the sake of appealing to a fringe element in the USA.

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Postby Moderator » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:42 am)

EtienneSC wrote:it would make CODOH look like a conspiracy site and thus compromise its hard-won and constantly challenged credibility on the holocaust. It would undo decades of work by serious people for the sake of appealing to a fringe element in the USA.

The recent poll results I saw stated that 50% of Americans did not believe the ‘official’ 9/11 conspiracy theory.
“Fringe’ is clearly the wrong word here.
That number would suggest that CODOH could potentially attract a wider audience.

As far as CODOH itself is concerned, I suggest:

9/11: Terror Attack or Government Fraud?, by Germar Rudolf:
https://codoh.com/library/series/1477/?lang=en
and a CODOH main site search for 9/11 yielded 96 results:
https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=9%2F11

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Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:17 am)

EtienneSC wrote:I am strongly opposed for the following reasons: Firstly, 9/11 is outside CODOH’s stated purpose. It is largely an American interest and CODOH is an international forum. It would expose participants to “guilt by association” without their permission.

I think such a forum would only acknowledge that many of those who embrace Revisionism also find this topic to be a major and relevant concern. It would be the error of the accusers to claim that all those who visit the CODOH forum are also necessarily supportive of alternative 9/11 theories for several reasons:

– As this thread clearly shows, we already do not agree what happened; hence, discussion and defense of the established narrative will be encouraged as well as any others
– Discussions of 9/11 will all take place outside of the Revisionist forum (which will be left as-is)
– The intentions of having this forum will be stated clearly, which may include: to circumvent censorship attempts and welcome historically-enlightened minds into open debate for the second-most controversial historical event of the last century, which is said by many to have considerable parallels to the Holocaust

Also, while 9/11 is an event which took place in the US, it affects communities all around the world (e.g. War on Terror, which also brought European nations in to participate in the Al Qaeda witch hunt and militant occupations); much as the Holocaust, while set in Europe, affects policies which shape the US and much of the globe today.

Secondly, there are enough jihad attacks in Europe and around the world – hundreds, if not thousands every year – to make it plausible that a few Saudi Muslims would wish to damage the USA given the opportunity.

It is definitely possible. But keep in mind, these attacks mostly happened after 9/11. Iraq had never had a suicide bombing pre-9/11. In any case, this might be something worth discussing in the proper forum.

Thirdly, it would make CODOH look like a conspiracy site and thus compromise its hard-won and constantly challenged credibility on the holocaust. It would undo decades of work by serious people for the sake of appealing to a fringe element in the USA.

Holocaust Denial is considered much more of a fringe element than is having doubts about 9/11. Surveys have already shown that the majority of the population, both in the US and internationally, have doubts about the official version of events. If nothing more, it is worth discussing. And I can think of no better place than in close proximity to a forum of critical minds who have a proper understanding of historical events and context of the last century.

I do not see how this would/could plausibly “undo” Revisionist work. The books and articles are written, published, and relevant ideas are discussed and shared in this forum. This will remain to be the case, whether or not 9/11 is also discussed here. It should not “poison the well” for many who don’t already regard “Holocaust Denial” as extremely poisonous. But it will open the door for many critical minds who are missing an even larger piece of the historical puzzle.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby HeiligeSturm » 1 week 5 days ago (Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:37 am)

If 9/11 debate is considered, there should be a whole After the “Holocaust” sub forum.
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Postby Dresden » 1 week 5 days ago (Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:26 am)

HeiligeSturm wrote:If 9/11 debate is considered, there should be a whole After the “Holocaust” sub forum.

Would that include the Korean War, the McCarthey era, the Beatnik g-g-g-generation, the Hippie movement and a thousand other things?

What purpose would that serve, besides trivial pursuit?

9-11 and the Holohoax are closely related, or, as I said earlier ….. “they are joined at the hip”.

‘Gas chambers’ and ‘box cutters’ are what “justifies” the War of Terror. or, as they are alternatively known, “The 9-11 Wars”.

In such a Forum, there would be a lot of overlap and people from both sides would become convinced of the truth of the other subject.

Also, the people that are against having a 9-11 Forum could simply ignore it, like I ignore the

“French Revisionist Forum” viewforum.php?f=21

“German Revisionist Forum” viewforum.php?f=8

“Spanish” viewforum.php?f=11

“Scandiavian” viewforum.php?f=10

“WWII Asia/Pacific Theater” viewforum.php?f=26

and the

“WWI” Forum” viewforum.php?f=27

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Hoff Meister » 1 week 4 days ago (Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:23 pm)

The moment CODOH allows or enables such discussion, it is done. This applies whether one believes in the alternative 9/11 theory (which I currently do not) or whether they do.

That’s essentially the case.

It will, as it is in every other forum, be used against revisionism in order to make it seem absurd and dismissed without looking at it.

An opinion.

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Postby Werd » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:09 am)

While it is easy to pinpoint what revisionists believe because we are pretty much united in denying the same things…

1. All Auschwitz gas chambers.
2. Overall German/Berlin/Hitler plan to physically exterminate Jews.
3. Gas vans.
4. All AR gas chambers
5. Many so called Mengele survivors

In other words, each revisionist owns this aspect of revisionism and does so easily. If there are any revisionists that we castigate, it’s not because they make us look bad with their revisionism. It is because they are traitors to the cause. Mark Weber and David Irving are two examples of gas chamber turncoats. They don’t make us look bad or hurt us necessarily, they are just dead weight. I also think that most revisionists recognize that whatever Richard Krege allegedly did at Treblinka doesn’t help anyone so by and large we all reject his work in favour of better, more high quality revisionism.

That being said, in 9-11, you have a WIDE VARIETY of skeptics who are at war with each other and accuse other sides of being agents or stupid by planting certain false theories into the 9-11 field. Many say that those buildings were wired to be blown up instead of planes coming down. Others go WAAAYYYY far out and claim that the reason much of the concrete was pulverized, was because of something like a high powered laser beam. I’m thinking Judy Wood. The majority of 9-11 people don’t like her or her work and have suspected her of being an agent. Not to mention Alex Jones in the last few years has gotten more bizarre and animated and people use his strange behaviours to “discredit” 9-11 truth. Mind you he is not the only one to look into 9-11 since it happened, but others use that as a smear on 9-11 people.

If revisionists pick up 9-11, do they want to adopt this other burden of being someone who could be in the “crazy” or “bullshit” realm of 9-11 truth? They already have to deal with being a gas chamber denier. I think in these times, it is PARAMOUNT that avoiding 9-11 be considered just to avoid further smears. Such as “oh you gas chamber skeptics are also 9-11 skeptics? Is there anything you DO believe in?” Because what if non 9-11 skeptics wanted to consider holocaust revisionism? Is the point not to grow revisionism? Or does linking up to 9-11 really look like more of an advantage because allegedly more people are 9-11 skeptics nowadays than are not and they can be persuaded by revisionism?

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Postby Callahan » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:14 am)

Hoff Meister wrote:The moment CODOH allows or enables such discussion, it is done. This applies whether one believes in the alternative 9/11 theory (which I currently do not) or whether they do.

How would CODOH be “done” just by acknowledging a controversy having some possible relevance to the Holocaust?

It will, as it is in every other forum, be used against revisionism in order to make it seem absurd and dismissed without looking at it.

How many people who don’t already dismiss Revisionism (or aren’t likely to) would do so on account of a forum about 9/11 existing here as an auxiliary? On the other hand, how many establishment-critical minds might consider Revisionism if they found some quality discussion on 9/11, locally?

I would estimate the numbers for the latter are at least an order of magnitude higher than the former.

No specific theory need be endorsed here. This is merely an opportunity to iron out the questions of relevance between these events which many have claimed there are striking parallels. Since it isn’t possible to contain such a broad topic within a single thread on the Revisionists’ forum, a separate one is being created to isolate, identify, and hopefully/eventually work toward some degree of consensus in what Revisionists have to say on the matter.

I think it makes beautiful sense and I have confidence in the quality of discussions that might come out of this.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby spaceboy » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:16 am)

I say no. This is a Holocaust revisionist forum, so I think it should be limited to only the Holocaust and to a lesser extent, World War II revisionism. There is a plethora of forums on the internet for debating 9/11 – why not just simply go to one if you want to debate 9/11? I see more harm than benefits by having 9/11 discussed here. It will create the appearance that Holocaust revisionists are susceptible to conspiracy theories, thereby undermining credibility. I’ve always had more confidence in revisionists who are not 9/11 truthers than ones who are.
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Postby Dresden » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:36 am)

spaceboy said:

“I say no. This is a Holocaust revisionist forum, so I think it should be limited to only the Holocaust and to a lesser extent, World War II revisionism”

But, there are the WWI Forum and the WWII Asia/Pacific Forums that are unaffected by “Holocaust Denial” — nor do they affect the Holocaust Revisionist Forum.

“There is a plethora of forums on the internet for debating 9/11”

There are no intelligent, moderated forums on which to debate 9-11.

“I see more harm than benefits by having 9/11 discussed here. It will create the appearance that Holocaust revisionists are susceptible to conspiracy theories”

“Holocaust Denial” is universally seen, throughout the whole world, on every TV station, in countless “documentaries”, in school text books ….. EVERYWHERE ….. as the Great granddaddy of all “conspiracy theories”.

We are seen as neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, anti — “semites” and dangerous people.

“…thereby undermining credibility”

The 9-11 Truthers outnumber Holocaust Revisionists by at least 10 or 20 to 1.
If anyone was to lose credibility, it would be the 9-11 Truthers for embracing Holocaust Denial.

Richard Gage’s Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth( https://www.ae911truth.org/ ) has the signatures of over 3,000 Architects and Engineers(many of whom own their own companies) who have given their names, addresses, phone numbers and places of business, calling for a “new” investigation of 9-11.

Nothing remotely comparable can be said for Holocaust Revisionism.

The Physics department of the University of Fairbanks, Alaska recently finished an evaluation of the collapse of Building 7 and decided that it could not have come down due to fire or damage: http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/

To think that the physics, or chemistry department of any American University would even contemplate doing an unbiased, tranparent evaluation of Treblinka, or Auschwitz is simply out of the question, to put it as mildly as possible ….. it would actually border on “nutty”.

“I’ve always had more confidence in revisionists who are not 9/11 truthers than ones who are”

I am of the exact opposite opinion.

9-11 Truthers are already Politically Incorrect truth seekers ….. many of them would see the truth of Holocaust Revisionism.

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Postby Callahan » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:41 am)

Dresden wrote:Richard Gage’s Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth( https://www.ae911truth.org/ ) has the signatures of over 3,000 Architects and Engineers(many of whom own their own companies) who have given their names, addresses, phone numbers and places of business, calling for a “new” investigation of 9-11.

I have my own quibbles with AE911T but that discussion is best saved for the proper forum, once it becomes available. I think they are correct that fire should not have caused the collapse but I disagree with the notion of “controlled demolition” at the WTC.

I don’t want to discuss/debate it here, just pointing out that there is a spectrum of ideas on what happened and having the ability to showcase our ideas and have them challenged and refined by other informed, critical minds who may already be on the same page about Revisionism seems like a great opportunity.

9-11 Truthers are already Politically Incorrect truth seekers ….. many of them would see the truth of Holocaust Revisionism.

Exactly. There is less fear to walk into the “realm of Revisionism” when society already sees you as being halfway there. For those recognizing Zionist influences regarding 9/11, even moreso.

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Callahan wrote:I have my own quibbles with AE911T but that discussion is best saved for the proper forum, once it becomes available. I think they are correct that fire should not have caused the collapse but I disagree with the notion of “controlled demolition” at the WTC.

Exactly, we need a separate sub-forum to hash out our differences, and this is the perfect place to do it.

Moderator, it is Christmas Eve. Can you please give us this sub-forum as a gift to us on this website?

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Postby Moderator » 1 week 3 days ago (Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:18 am)

All of the comments are certainly appreciated, there are many thoughtful points to both sides of the argument.

After considering them all, and after feedback from the CODOH Board, I have decided to go ahead with the ‘9/11 Forum’.

The fact that so many people worldwide now disagree with the ‘official’ conspiracy theory was key in that decision. It is no longer a ‘fringe’ opinion to question the promoted narrative, in spite of ‘the media’s’ attempt to claim it is.

To those that disagree with my decision, I will not indicate in the ‘9/11 Forum’ description and guidelines that CODOH as a whole endorses or opposes the alternative views to the government’s narrative.

The intention is to provide a higher end debate choice where reasonable guidelines are in place to prevent the usual childishness that is the norm when discussing a controversial subject.

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Postby Dresden » 1 week 3 days ago (Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:51 am)

Thank you for the decision, Moderator!

Moderator said:

“The intention is to provide a higher end debate choice where reasonable guidelines are in place to prevent the usual childishness that is the norm when discussing a controversial subject”

That’s the idea.

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Postby Pia Kahn » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:18 pm)

Moderator wrote:All of the comments are certainly appreciated, there are many thoughtful points to both sides of the argument.

After considering them all, and after feedback from the CODOH Board, I have decided to go ahead with the ‘9/11 Forum’. …

Thanks, M1

Great news and smart decision. If this forum provides an orderly and rational discussion of 9/11 then it may attract many 9/11 truthers who wish to discuss controversial topics in a polite, respectful and rational manner without flame wars, ad hominem attacks, and all that.

Currently, this forum has three main headings: “Holocaust revisionism (English)”, “Holocaust revisionism (International)” and Finally, “Revisionism”. I suggest adding the subforum “9/11-revisionism” under the “Revisionism” header and side by side with WWI and WWII revisionism. This would fit nicely into this forum.

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Postby katana » 1 week 16 hours ago (Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:31 pm)

Thank you Moderator for deciding to go ahead with a 9/11 Forum. A decision that reflects your wisdom, and no doubt your good looks, charming nature, and wonderful singing ability!

And thanks to Callahan for kicking the whole thing off, and also others here who also supported the idea. The others who were not keen on the idea also played a useful role in giving their feedback.

And a happy New Year to all, while I’m here.

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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 6 days 9 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:55 am)

Moderator, I am very happy you chose to go along with this this addition.

If I may ask, when should we expect to see it in it’s completed status?

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Soon, JLAD,

How about some suggestions about guidelines for the new forum from everyone.
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Postby Callahan » 6 days 5 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:29 am)

As mentioned briefly before, I suggest pinned posts for presentation and criticism of evidence of the following theories on WTC collapse mechanisms:

– NIST Fire-Driven Collapse Theory
– AE911Truth Controlled Demolition Theory
– Mini-Nuke Theory
– Direct Energy Weapon (DEW) Theory
– ROOSD Theory

I think a separate area for each of the major competing theories will help prevent the hodgepodge of heated, disorganized debate that discussions on 9/11 are most famous for.

If you’re not yet familiar with ROOSD theory, not to worry, I will help get us started there. Others who recognize another theory as most sound should perhaps introduce the topic by explaining which evidence they find most convincing.

Other pinned posts may include:

– Motive: Pretext for Zionist Imperialist Wars
– Motive: Jihadi Terror Assault on Western Values
– Means: Positions of Authority Surrounding 9/11 Events
– Means: Terrorist Cell with Hijacked Planes

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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 6 days 5 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:31 am)

Moderator wrote:How about some suggestions about guidelines for the new forum from everyone.

The guidelines would be as follows; changes were made when necessary. Are these good, or would you change anything?

The Moderator retains the right to reject a username if he considers it offensive, obscene, or deliberately distracting.

Do not register under more than one username, aka: a ‘sockpuppet’. If for some reason you wish to change your username please contact the Moderator and / or Webmaster about doing so.

No name calling, period.

The CODOH 9/11 Forum forbids any threats or personal attacks against others, we will not tolerate links to sites which do engage in such behavior. We’re about debate and only debate.

On topic posts only. The topic of the Forum is 9/11. Debating whether or not the United States government or others had preknowledge of the event, if there was or was not controlled demolition, and if 9/11 is or is not used to justify the TSA, NSA, surveillance cameras, internet surveilance, military occupation in Middle Eastern nations, is the reason that The CODOH 9/11 Forum exists. Associated subjects are bound to come up, be sure there is a tie-in, show the tie-in. Each topic represents a separate point, a post to a topic must be pertinent to that point.

Posts by new or infrequent participants will be spam / troll checked by the Moderator before they appear on the Forum. They will not be censored for on topic opinions they present.

Keep your threads / posts limited to one point.

Voluminous, lengthy, and redundant posts are not welcomed.

Do not edit after posts after someone has responded in the same thread.

If you post a quote or link from or to a book, a news article, magazine story, another website, etc., you must also comment on the quote or the link content. Tell the forum what you find wrong, compelling, unique, or important about the quote or link content. Flippant, overly brief comments are not acceptable. We want commentary and discussion.

Posts which lack focus or specifics are not welcomed.

No ‘dodging’. When questioned or challenged on claims, or assertions you make in a thread you must respond directly / specifically by providing the information requested in the challenge or you must leave the topic.

You will address registrants only by the one name that he/she uses at the Forum.

Offenders will have their posts deleted, repeat offenders will be removed.

Reasons for deletions may or may not be stated. The Moderator will endeavor to notify the offender and the Forum in general, but not in every case; especially when it is obvious why the post was deleted.

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Postby borjastick » 5 days 12 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:17 pm)

OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

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Postby Depth Charge » 5 days 12 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:21 pm)

borjastick wrote:OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

On the contrary, I think disinformation will be easily dismantled by the regulars on this site, and establish us as discerning and sane.

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Postby borjastick » 5 days 12 hours ago (Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:14 am)

Depth Charge wrote:

borjastick wrote:OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

On the contrary, I think disinformation will be easily dismantled by the regulars on this site, and establish us as discerning and sane.

Good luck with that one…

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Postby Depth Charge » 5 days 8 hours ago (Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:19 am)

borjastick wrote:

Depth Charge wrote:

borjastick wrote:OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

On the contrary, I think disinformation will be easily dismantled by the regulars on this site, and establish us as discerning and sane.

Good luck with that one…

Why do we need luck? There is only one truth. It’s like hacking ice off a windscreen. Easy.

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Postby Moderator » 5 days 5 hours ago (Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:57 am)

All:

The new ‘9/11 Forum’ will be built within a few days after 1/1/19.
When it’s launched I will lock this thread and immediately ask for feedback in a thread at that forum.

And remember, if it becomes unmanageable, I can always “pull it”. :roll:

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Postby Dresden » 5 days 4 hours ago (Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:28 am)

Moderator wrote:
And remember, if it becomes unmanageable, I can always “pull it”. :roll:

That’s right, Lucky Larry! :D

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Postby Lamprecht » 3 days 2 hours ago (Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:03 am)

When is this forum going to be created? New developments are happening as we speak…

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Postby Moderator » 2 days 23 hours ago (Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:15 pm)

Lamprecht asked:

When is this forum going to be created?

On the previous page I stated:

All:

The new ‘9/11 Forum’ will be built within a few days after 1/1/19.
When it’s launched I will lock this thread and immediately ask for feedback in a thread at that forum.

And remember, if it becomes unmanageable, I can always “pull it”. :roll:

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I now have The 9/11 Forum up.
The guidelines are basically the same as the ‘Holocaust Forum’.
There are numerous configuration options. Hopefully I have selected the right ones. :D
Please let me know what you’re thoughts are about it.
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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 1 day 2 hours ago (Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:12 am)

Moderator wrote:I now have The 9/11 Forum up.
The guidelines are basically the same as the ‘Holocaust Forum’.
There are numerous configuration options. Hopefully I have selected the right ones. :D
Please let me know what you’re thoughts are about it.
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Awesome, thank you.

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911 – The Jews Had Me Fooled: A Jewish Engineered Pearl Harbor

Organized jewry Did 9/11

Organized jewry Did 9/11 — The 16th Anniversary, 2017

Know More News — Christopher Bollyn, The Man Who Solved 9/11 — TRANSCRIPT

The Realist Report with Christopher Bollyn – Sep 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

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[In this 2 hour plus interview, Brizer, an Irish co-host of the Graham Hart Show, talks with Monika Schaefer about her journey towards seeking the taboo truth about WWII, the “Holocaust“, and the organized jewish perpetration of 9/11. Monika was arrested in Germany on January 3, 2018, and sentenced, and served, 10 months imprisonment for her 6 minute video that was put up on YouTube in June, 2016.

 

In that video she gave a heartfelt, belated apology to her mother, for blaming her generation of Germans for not doing enough to stop the alleged genocide of jews. She has since come to know that the so-called “Holocaust” is a gigantic, diabolical fraud, in that, yes jews were put into camps, yet there were no plans to exterminate jews, there were no gas chambers, and that far, far, less jews died in WWII than the “magical” number of six million.

 

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The Graham Hart Show

 

Brizer with

 

Monika Schaefer

 

Dec 2018

 

 

 

Click the link below to listen to the audio:

 

http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-graham-hart-show-with-brizer_10.html

 

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The Graham Hart Show – With Brizer 2018.12.10

Brizer’s guests: Monika Schaefer

Alfred Schaefer
Stadelheim Prison
Stadelheimer Straße
81549 Munich
Germany

Graham Hart – Hoax Train.mp3

 

 

Published on Dec 10, 2018

 

 

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TRANSCRIPT

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[00:00]

 

[INTRO MUSIC]

 

[02:05]

 

Brizer: Okay, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Graham Hart Show with me Brizer. I’m here on Cornwall Revolution Radio I don’t. And out of grisson dot blogspot dot com, where Mami welcomes you to the best news aggregate site on the World Wide Web! It’s good to have your company folks. Now if you’d like to join us in the Chat Room, click on the HTML 5 link on the top right hand side of the page, just below the player of your choice.

 

So I’ve got that one out of the way. It’s my first time doing that!

 

So, welcome along everybody! We have a great guest on our show tonight, which I’m really looking forward to talking to.

 

She needs no introduction to many of you, I’m sure. Her name, of course, is Monika Schaefer — a sister of Alfred — who was incarcerated in a German gulag for pretty much most of this year, 2018.

 

Thankfully she’s back in her native Canada again. And she’s still quite willing to speak out. Jail didn’t do anything to shut her up, or anything! She’s still going strong, fighting the good fight for our people, for our cause. So, without further ado, I’ll welcome Monika to the show. And Monika please give small introduction to the people who made not have heard about you. But I’m sure most people have.

 

Monika: Thank you so much for having me on! I am just honoured and delighted to be here! And I guess it was the better part of a year ago that Alfred was on your show, and I quite enjoyed that. And I wanted to tell you the song at the end was just fantastic, “The Goyim Know!” I sure enjoyed that! So I’m so happy to be on. And just a short introduction.

 

Yes, you mentioned I spent the better part of a year, that’s 10 months in the German jail in Munich. And that was just as a political prisoner! You know, I didn’t rob a bank, or hit anybody over the head with a sledgehammer, or anything like that! They didn’t like the things I talk about, and they have some pretty draconian laws there. So that’s why it landed me in prison. Did you want me to get it?

 

 

Brizer: It’s all, because of a YouTube video, I believe.

 

That’s, a big crime these days if it’s not got the correct message in there.

 

Well according to the elite was they call the correct message. Well actually, there’s nothing really bad about the video you’re just apologising to your mother.

 

Monika: Yes that’s right the video is called “Sorry mom, I was wrong about the ‘Holocaust’”. 02s ing and it’s just 6 minutes long and I did it in English. I also did an original version in German. And within a few days of it being released, out into the world, other people, who I had never met, or seen, or heard of before, translated into several other languages.

 

I think within the first four days there are already 3 more translations, like where they had to put the — what do you call it — the subtitles, I guess once, onto the English version. And it just kind of took off! It took my breath away at the time. That was June of 2016. I knew when that went out into the Internet that it was a door that I went through. I knew that I was going through a door. But heavens, I certainly did not expect all the things to happen that did happen to me! It’s been quite an education. Yeah.

Brizer: So you actually recorded that video in Germany? Is that the reason why you were nabbed. Is that it?

 

Monika: Well, you know, we studiously avoided answering that question, because first of all it was irrelevant where it was created, although for “the powers that should not be” over there, it was very relevant. That’s all they were interested in was the technical aspects. They were not interested in whether the contents of the various videos were accurate historically, or not. I mean, obviously that’s what bothered them, because they were exactly, you know, telling the truth about matters. But the truth hurts to those who hate the truth!

 

And so they basically invert everything and that’s what happened with the trial. It’s what happened with the prison time. It’s what happened with the hearings to see if I should be let out on bail awaiting the trial. They’ve basically always had a verdict first and followed with the show, whatever the show would be, whether it was a hearing itself in front of a judge, or whether it was the trial, and all of that. Everything got inverted! So just as we have everything in inverted in our world, everything gets inverted in these kinds of trials. And also the words they use to describe us and what we’re doing. So would you like me to describe what’s in the video, a little bit?

 

Brizer: Yes please.

 

See: Sorry Mom, I was wrong about the Holocaust — TRANSCRIPT

 

Monika: Okay. It’s a short video, so this won’t take long to summarize it. But basically, I start out and finish with a little piece of fiddle music. So that’s kind of a cheerful way to have this message. Because I wanted it to be cheerful, because I was very relieved and happy to have learned the truth about my parents and ancestors.

 

So when I was a teenager and learning all these “terrible, horrible, evil” things that those bad Germans were doing, I was horrified! And being a very sensitive person, I was just so devastated. And I reproached my mother. She’s the person who basically I was closest with in the family home. And there I was, reproaching, and saying:

 

“Why didn’t you, and your friends, and relatives, … You should have organized! You could have organized, you could have gotten together and stopped all those things from happening!”

 

And I remember her listening to that, and saying:

 

“Well, Monika, we just didn’t know about those things, like those death camps! We just didn’t know!”

 

And she was very solemn, and quiet, and that’s all she said to me:

 

“We just did not know!”

 

Anyway, fast forward, many, many years, to just a few years ago, when I learned that those stories we’re false! That we’re talking about World War Two. We’re talking about “Holocaust” matters, and the gas chambers. And I started to open my eyes. Actually, first opened my eyes with relation to 9/11. But even that, it took till 10 years after 9/11 to learn about that. And then I kind of kept going down the rabbit hole, as it were, and figured out that lying was not invented in 2001! And it goes way back.

 

See: Organized jewry Did 9/11 — The 16th Anniversary, 2017

 

 

And so, when I learned about that these things just did not happen the way they told us they happened, I felt really bad about those reproaches when I was a teenager. I never forgot that. I never forgot how I felt! I never forgot that I had reproached my mother, my parents, but mainly my mother. And so I felt really bad about that, and I regretted it, and I wished I could talk to them about it. But they were long gone, my parents had died already. And so, I didn’t have the opportunity to talk to them. So anyway, Alfred had set up, you know, he was already making some very good educational videos.

 

First one was about 9/11, “Gate keepers and Controlled Opposition”. And his videos were meant to educate people about how this all happens. How we have been subjected to the psychological warfare of deception and lies. Anyway, so with that, yeah, I was able to make an apology to my parents, and to my mother, to their spirit. And that’s what I did in that video. I apologized for those reproaches.

 

 

See: London Forum – Alfred Schaefer – Psychological Warfare – TRANSCRIPT

 

 

[10:42]

 

Brizer: It was a nice thing to do. I mean, you realized you were wrong. But, of course, back in those days you had no idea really. Most of us had no idea about this anywhere. So, when you do figure out something like this you want to apologize to your mother, in spirit. Just say:

 

“I was wrong about all of this.”

 

The German people were not the “nasty” Germans that we all were told that they were. So, yeah, you just kind of, I suppose, made a little bit of peace with her. Something like that?

 

Monika: Definitely! Definitely! And not just peace with my mother and with my parents but also this notion that the German people are just “bad people”! You see, because many of us — I am really not alone in having experienced this — but many, many of us in our generation, and several generations now, of Germans, were quite ashamed to be German! And there developed this real rift between us and our ancestors. And that’s all very deliberate too. So these lies they serve many, many, purposes.

 

And one of these purposes is to cut us off from our ancestors, our parents, which means cutting us off from having pride in our culture, having pride in who we are as a people. And when that happens, we become like little children really. And that’s what Cicero, I think it was, has a quote to that effect that:

 

“If you do not know what happened before you were born, then you are reduced to being children forever.”

 

And so this is what has happened to us. We have a false understanding of what came before us, and, of course, a false understanding of the world as it is right now. But if you do not understand your history, and you do not have a sense of pride in your people, well that is just a recipe for annihilation, isn’t it? And, of course, we know what they have in mind with us.

 

You see, all these things are related, and they like to compartmentalize us anyway, with all these control words, and weaponized words. And that’s something that Alfred is really good at describing, you know, these words that trigger us to stop thinking. You know, neo-Nazi, or radical, right-wing, or “Holocaust” denier! I mean, that’s just the most weaponized term, and what does it even mean? It’s a so completely a ludicrous term! Nevertheless, this causes us to become quite compartmentalized. But also, the fact that we have this disconnect, or feel guilty about being who we are, to be German.

 

I heard from so many people after I created that video. I’ve heard from German people from around the world who described to me the experiences they had growing up in wherever, like Canada, Australia, the States, wherever. People are just ashamed of their heritage and hiding it! And that’s what I did. I learned very early on to hide my German heritage. I loved it at home, and we had a very beautiful traditional, very German style. And this time of year, especially, now we’re in the Advent season, and then Christmas. That was a very special time in our home. I loved it! I certainly wasn’t protesting against it at home, but outside and in school, I really learned very quickly to hide that heritage, not make any issue of being German. I mean, if somebody asked me where did my parents come from, of course, I told them. And we spoke German at home, and so occasionally if friends came over to the home, they heard us speak German with the parents, and that kind of thing. So yeah, that’s kind of how it was. [chuckling]

 

Brizer: Yeah, I can imagine growing up, it must have been difficult because, you had to grow up in the sixty’s time, not too long after the war, really. That memory still and that whole thing of being German, was just kind of a blot on you, or something. Is that how you would feel?

 

Monika: Absolutely! And anything that was on television. I mean, we didn’t even get television till, I think it was the late sixty’s. But nevertheless, then we were exposed to the television series that really made fun of the Germans, or they were always kind of the “bad guys” and then the movies, … I mean, we all know there’s just hundreds of Hollywood movies that always depict the Germans as the “bad guys”. And then this got ramped up. I mean, as we’re talking about “Holocaust” that did not even really get going until it was in the seventies. And that’s exactly when I was going through junior high and high school.

 

And that’s when they really got going with “Holocaust” propaganda, and there was that mini series on television called “Holocaust”. And if you watched clips of it now, it’s just so absurd and ridiculous! But, you know, in the beginning the stories that were told about how people died in the camps were not even, … They kept changing the stories! I just read an article the other day that after the, quote, unquote, “liberation of Auschwitz”. First, there was nothing in the Russian newspapers for a few days, and then finally something came up. And they talked about:

 

“Electrocuting the prisoners along conveyor belts.”

 

And that:

 

“They would drop dead into these pits.”

 

So what a different story that is from what came out later! That the “gas chamber” story came out later. And now, the tourists are now led through these museums, or through what they say are the ruins of the camps now. And these are “reconstructions” that at Auschwitz for sure. And I think most of the other places, these are “reconstructions” and the Russians have admitted to doing that after the war. And then the reconstructions of what supposedly was there are so sharply done I mean, they’re just completely careless!

 

[Click image to enlarge]

 

And I’d like to mention the late, great, Robert Faurisson who just died. I believe it was October 21st, or 22nd, just a few days before I came out of prison, he died. And he did so much good work and if anybody was always trying to be exact in his research, in his methodology, his research. I mean, there is the man himself! Like, he spent decades researching and being very meticulous with his work. And he studied the architectural plans, and he studied a lot of other things about Auschwitz. And I’m not sure what other camps as well, but my goodness his work is tremendous!

 

See: Alain Soral – My Homage to Robert Faurisson, Oct 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

And I would highly recommend that if people want to learn more, to just look up some of his articles that he has written over the years, about those actual camps. And just did the absurdity of making out that gas chambers, all the showers were actually gas lines and whatnot! Well there were doors, wooden doors with cracks, and the windows! And what I mean, it’s so ludicrous what they report on! And then, of course, the numbers have changed over the years. That all these things change, and change, and change, and yet the mainstream goes on to just say well:

 

“Yeah if you question this, then you’re a criminal! And you go to jail! You can’t question this!”

 

And yet jewish “Holocaust” historians, they have changed their story so many times over the years! They’ve changed their numbers, they’ve changed the methods, they’ve changed everything so much, that you have got to, even just people who haven’t looked into this issue at all, you just have to ask yourself, well at what point does one just say:

 

“Look! If this part is a lie, and that part is a lie, you know, the shrunken heads, the soap, and another part is a lie, and another part is lie, then how can it be that they have such a stranglehold on this?”

 

Well it’s, because it’s turned into a religion! It’s “Holocaustianity”, that if you question it then you are a heretic, basically you get burned at the stake, figuratively speaking! Thank goodness they don’t actually burn people at the stake, because then I would not be talking to you right now on this program! [chuckling] There you go.

 

 

Brizer: Yeah. It’s silly, because my aunt now she’s quite elderly, but she went to Auschwitz and she’s still brainwashed by that stuff. I brought it up gently with her once. She said she was there and she was told:

 

“The birds don’t sing at Auschwitz, because of all the terrible deeds that happened.”

 

But yet she said the trees were full of birds! She said the birds were flying all over the place. So there’s the first lie right there!

 

Monika: Isn’t that something. And yet, this wasn’t enough to help your aunt?

 

Brizer: No, not really, because she’s just brought up with that whole generation and believes the whole thing. It’s hard to break through to the people who were, …

 

Monika: It is!

 

Brizer: It’s hard! With most people it’s very hard. But I think once we break this taboo, I think this is why the jewish elite are so afraid, because we are getting to that hundred monkey situation now, where more and more people are beginning to see through the lies of the whole thing.

 

Monika: Absolutely!

 

Brizer: And, then of course, what we’re doing is, and this is why when I talk to people about this I don’t go into the details of gas chambers. I kind of go into the situation, according to the jewish, their own records, it was 3,800,000 jews in Europe before 1938.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: And then there’s what, 15,000,000 odd, jews in the world, I think in 1938. And there was still 15,000,000 left in 1948!

 

Monika: That is right.

 

Brizer: Let’s do some mathematics here! It’s very simple. And people are kind of scratching their heads and saying:

 

“Oh, okay.”

 

But it’s still trying to break that down! I mean, the conditioning that people gone through is quite incredible! I mean, I was there myself, but somehow I got into this. I was just intrigued, I don’t know why it was with me. Like, sometimes I wonder:

 

“Why did I figure it out? And why can’t other people figure it out?”

 

I just let go of stuff, because I was going through my own issues. After losing my wife, and then fighting for my house. I’m still doing what the banks at the moment. I realized I’ve just loosed the fear. Once you let go of all of that stuff, that baggage that we carry around with us, everything opens up. And we begin to really see. We step outside the box.

 

[22:40]

 

Monika: That’s exactly right! Yeah, many, many roads lead to the same conclusions. And something you said there, a minute ago, just really rings true for me too. That I often wonder how is it that some of us are able to peel those layers, you know, peel the lid off our eyes, basically, and see. And other people who with whom we grow up together in the same condition, same environment, are not able to! And I don’t know, I don’t know what that is! If we knew we could solve all these problems.

 

But I also want to point out something along the lines of what you’re saying. That these jewish sources actually tell us these population figures. Jewish sources are sometimes the best sources for finding out what’s going on. And then you can also just throw it back at those who are doubting us and say:

 

“Look I got this from jewish sources.”

 

Like, for example, the population figures before and after the war, and how many jewish people worldwide, and whatnot. And they often talk very openly about what their plans are, and what they do, and what not. So that’s really good to use those.

 

 

And I also wanted to bring up the fact that many, many, more people do know and understand the truth, than what is visibly apparent to the outside. And the reason for that is that most people who do understand it, they realize what the consequences are of speaking publicly about it. That’s why they make an example out of people like myself and Alfred, when we do speak out publicly about these things. And also what I went through in Jasper — my hometown since 35 years — before I went to Germany, here this last December, and then only to get stuck there, on an extended “State paid vacation”. [chuckling] It was involuntary, but, …

 

Brizer: Government hotel! [laughing]

 

Monika: Yeah exactly! [chuckling] I went through what they call “ritual defamation”, in this town. And there are many purposes of that ritual defamation. And one of the purposes is to scare other people from looking into these issues. To actually learn the truth, or if they do understand the truth, to keep them silent, and thereby it gives the appearance to the average person, that there are very few of us. And then, of course, they make us look like a total nutcase and insane, or whatever.

 

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I mean, I actually had the local doctor tell me that I need to go seek psychiatric help, or be charged! And this was a couple of years ago, when he told me that. So basically, he was prescribing institutionalization for me! And that’s the local doctor, you know, and I live in a town that’s a small town, 5,000, or so. And I was already sort of known. I was in the public eye, I could say, because I wore many different hats. I had the music hat on as a local musician, I also had run politically in elections with the Green Party — that’s a whole other story! I certainly am not part of the Green Party anymore, that’s for sure! And then I also wore a public hat, I guess, as being involved on some local boards, and the culture and recreation board and some other involvements that I had.

 

 

So I was in the public eye. And visibility enhances the vulnerability to ritual defamation, right? So, if I had been a sort of an unknown entity and came out with this public proclamation — like I did in my apology to my mother — they could have quite easily just ignored me and it wouldn’t have become anything.

 

 

But, because I was in the public eye it was for them, those who do not like what we speak, those who do not like the truth, it was important for them to take me down! And boy oh boy, did they ever try hard to take me down! Now luckily, I had the confidence to know that truth lies on my side. It doesn’t mean I know everything, and I’m always open to learning more and looking at the evidence.

 

If somebody takes issue with anything I’m talking about, show me the evidence. Have a discussion with me. However, to generally have truth on my side when I did this, … And I didn’t do anything bad, I didn’t do anything wrong! I’m apologizing for having reproached my mother as a teenager. And that I’ve learned more about it now, and so it was quite a kind of loving thing to do really, in terms of my relationship with my parents. And yet I’m being called a “hater”! And I’m being called all kinds of other things, and they’re trying to destroy my livelihood, and all these other things that they did, and do!

 

But I kind of stayed upright on my feet, and they were probably surprised by that! [laughing] And it’s very threatening to them when somebody stays upright and doesn’t apologize for what they just did. Because that’s something that a lot of people will do if they’re subjected to this ritual defamation, they’ll immediately go:

 

“Oh I’m so sorry! I was wrong about that, and I take all that back!”

 

And then they go overboard in the other way, or something. [chuckling] I didn’t do that!

 

Brizer: Yeah it’s interesting what you’re saying, because tonight, just before I come on the show, I was at an anti-corruption meeting, hosted by this very brave journalist Geraldine O’Doughty [word unclear] who is exposing corruption at very, very high levels. In fact it’s infected everything in the public life in this country! It’s quite shocking what she had to say. And there were a few other speakers there as well. And actually one, or two of the other speakers, this guy who was a chicken farmer and he was trying to get his business going. He realized that he was working with companies who are committing absolute fraud! Getting backhanders, left, right and center. And he tried to expose it, and he brought it to the police, he brought it to the government ministers, and the whole lot, and they turned on him!

 

You know, they actually turned on him! Threatened to take he has, ruin his business and put his family out onto the street!

 

Monika: Exactly! That is what they do.

 

Brizer: And so it’s coming down to all levels of how we live.

 

Monika: Yes. And so what that tells us, is that there are some very corrupt officials at the top levels of wherever, like the police, the politicians, they have some very compromised people! That’s a better word, there are compromised people at the powerful levels.

 

Brizer: And they use fear as a weapon, they threaten people and that’s why you might have people within the media who, you know, again the media, as we all know, is corrupt as hell! But there’s people in there who might want to say things. And she, this lady Geraldine O’Doughty [word unclear] and another great journalist, John Waters, another great guy who, … He just got out, because it’s a complete cesspit!

 

You know, they just try to threaten them, and they’re standing up and saying:

 

“No, no, they’re going around the country, doing these talks and trying to wake people up to this kind of, … The bread and butter issues, if you will, just to see how we’ve been lied to, how we’re been deceived, how we’re being used! How they are using our tax monies against us! In every possible facet.”

 

And it was kind of grim to hear all that stuff. But we need to hear it, to see that really deep level of how this goes. So, as I just say, it just goes up the ladder to all different aspects of what’s going on. Our history has been rewritten more, or less. Like even here in Ireland where I am, our history it’s been kind of erased. It’s going to be taken out of school books.

 

Monika: Oh my!

 

[31:00]

 

Brizer: We’re all supposed to be good EU citizens now. All this kind of stuff. All the kids have been programmed with its nonsense! And a lot of “Holocaust” stuff being pushed into their history books constantly! So let’s not talk about the genocide, which was the potato famine. No, no, we’re not talk about that anymore! Let’s not talk about 1916 where a few brave man stood up against the Crown to declare our freedom for Ireland! Well, let’s not forget about all of that stuff! We’re all good EU citizens! And you just shut up and obey! And here’s your toys and our gadgets, TV and all of that.

 

So there you go. It’s insanity! I’m really enraged by this! And then last Thursday I was at a meeting, I spoke on this with Denis Fetcho’s show. I rang in after that meeting, that evening. A new party came out called the Irexit, which are all but trying to exit out of the EU. Of course, you’ve heard about this “Global Compact on Migration” Have you heard about this?

 

Monika: Yes. Yes! It’s absolutely horrifying!

 

Brizer: Yeah. I know Canada is fully committed to it. I know our country is fully committed to it. But the people aren’t, but their governments are, of course.

 

Monika: Yeah.

 

Brizer: So we kind of held a silent vigil. Of course, they had their Antifa groups all set up. The “rent a mob” were there calling, shouting “Nazi scum off our street!” and all this party is saying:

 

“We want to take control of our country again, take control of our borders, our economy, our laws. We want to take it all up back!”

 

And yet we were called “Nazi scum”, “fascists” all this type of stuff.

 

Monika: Yes, …

 

Brizer: And by a lot of young kids who are in university probably. Who were probably paid some beer money just to let them do that. I mean it’s just disgraceful!

 

Monika: Absolutely! It is, I mean, that’s the thing, if you take away people’s history, … Well, how did that same go in the 1984 movie?:

 

“If you control the past you control the future. And those who control the present control the past.”

 

See: House of Orwell

 

I mean, it is just absolutely spooky. And so they’re erasing the history from the history books, and I hear, I think it’s in some New York schools, they’re doing away with their actual physical libraries now. They’re getting rid of the physical libraries, so that it will only be virtual libraries online. Which means that they can just, at the click of a mouse, actually change these books online. Change the history. So it’s only when you have books that can last in a paper form that you can really check what’s going on in history.

 

I mean, when historians can look back at books that were actually printed in the previous century, in the thirty’s, forty’s, fifty’s, and see what was written in them, compared to what they’re trying to tell us now in sort of mainstream media, then you can verify it. If they’re changing it, or not. But if it’s just all online and you’re erasing, … I mean, that’s their specialty isn’t it? Like this group that we’re not supposed to name lest we be called “anti-semitic”. And they also talk about it in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, that the agents will become, sorry, the “goyim” will become agents of their own destruction!

 

And so with the programming that happens by all these lies and deceptions, and they’re going younger and younger into the schools to actually soften up the brains of the youngsters that is making them ill actually. Like you could say it’s causing the people to be mentally ill, because it’s just these poisonous lies!

 

And amongst those poisonous lies, they’re also doing this thing that they call “sex education” in the schools. But really, what I have learned, what they are teaching the children, it’s porno pushing! It’s perversion pushing! That they’re doing at a younger and younger age! It’s absolutely horrifying!

 

And this just softens up the brains of these youngsters that they can’t even get to first base anymore, to be able to look at something that they’re being told in the news. You know, maybe first base would be to figure out 9/11, and then second base might be to figure out something further back in our history books. And then 3rd base might be to figure out that:

 

“Gee! They want to get rid of us!” [chuckling]

 

These things are all connected, these lies. And, of course, the “Holocaust” is the big, sort of like a chain, a hammer, that they can use on anybody’s heads when they start talking about:

 

“Gee! I don’t know, we never were asked about all these people coming into our country. Like this is just kind of happening, and I don’t remember being asked about this!”

 

So this is what perhaps is going through the heads of the average person. And they’re feeling uncomfortable about it. But lest you think out loud about it:

 

“Oh! You’re xenophobic! The next thing, you know, you’re going to have another ‘Holocaust’!”

 

This is how the “Holocaust” story, or fairy tale, is being used as a hammer, especially in Germany. And, of course, that’s where you see this invasion really going crazy! But it’s in all the European countries, and it’s in other White countries as well. You have this huge invasion of what they call “migrants”, but it’s basically opportunists from all kinds of places. And they lie about where they’re coming from! And I have firsthand experience with people lying about where they’re coming from. And if you want I could tell you a little bit about that.

 

See: Mark Collett — The Plot to Flood Europe with 200 Million Africans — TRANSCRIPT

 

But, yeah, so that’s what we have. These things are all connected. That they use one part of the history that they’ve changed they use it as a blunt hammer to make sure you don’t question anything else. And then the children are being just prepared for the slaughter, basically.

 

 

See: Red Ice Radio Interview: Invasion of Europe — TRANSCRIPT

 

Brizer: Yeah, they’ll throw it in anywhere. Again, I was on another kind of march against the banks and how they are evicting people out of their homes. And one guy had a placard — one of the banks is called “AIB” — it says:

 

“AIB — Rothschild Sewer Bank!”

 

And the media immediately jumped on that and said:

 

“Anti-semites out marching against the banks!”

 

Can you believe that nonsense?

 

Monika: Oh!

 

Brizer: They just throw that in, just to push people away from that, because they don’t want to be associated with that.

 

Monika: Yes that word, …

 

Brizer: You’re probably next, your family’s next! They’re coming after us, they want to dispossess us, they want to replace us.

 

Monika: Exactly.

 

Brizer: They want to turn our countries, our beautiful White countries into third world slums! Not while I’ve got a breath of my body, they are not!

 

Monika: Yes, that’s exactly right! This is an existential crisis. And I feel the same as you do, that while we are still breathing, I mean, this is just the most important thing! If we do not turn this ship around then, well, we’re doomed really!

 

Brizer: We’re gone.

 

Monika: We can never give up hope. And that’s a big part of it. And that’s why I do like to talk about some of the things I learned.

 

After creating that video I learned that there are so many more people who are aware, and know, and have their eyes wide open, than as apparent. And I found that out, because people are writing me, and calling me, and what not, just from all around here, for starters. But then from many other places in the world. And then I realized every little hamlet, every little town, every little billet, every place, has people who are wide awake! And it’s up to us to make it easier for people to talk about it, and to, … I don’t know, I mean, we can’t sort of tell people what to do with this. Everybody has their own abilities, their own ideas, and imagination, what they can do as individuals. But everybody has to somehow do something, get involved, whether it’s little, or big!

 

Everybody needs to get involved in this! And the more people’s eyes we can open the better. And nobody should feel that they’re the only one. They are not! That’s what the enemy likes us to think, that we’re just isolated little cliques of people, here and there. But no! We are many! We need to repeat that again, and again, that we are many! And we need to be educating our neighbors, our friends, our family! I mean, that’s also a way to immunize ourselves from being “burned at the stake”, so to speak. Because if we have people around us who do understand, then it’s going to be harder for them to persecute those of us who do speak publicly, right?

 

[40:16]

 

 

Brizer: Yeah, like I mean, tonight there was the Q & A afterwards. Like, how can we do this? What can we do to turn this around? And this guy John Waters says:

 

“We have to get the conversation going. Get people talking about it.”

 

Also there is that fear, because people are afraid they might lose their jobs, and all this kind of stuff. And that is understandable. There’s also the friction maybe, within families, with matters like this. I know many people who have had friction within their families.

 

Monika: Yes. That’s right, lose your fear! That’s one of the most important things. And I’m telling you it is extremely liberating! And in spite of all the things that have happened to me, for example, I have zero regrets! I have absolutely no regrets! I never ever, you know, perhaps in the evening, just before going to sleep, say to myself:

 

“Gosh, darn! If only I hadn’t done that little video! If only I hadn’t done this, or that! That caused all these subsequent things to happen in my life!”

 

No! Never! Not once have I felt that way, because it is extremely liberating! That old saying:

 

“The truth will set you free!”

 

It really, really is true. So I would encourage people to lose their fear. It might mean you have some discomfort, it might mean a decrease in disposable income, it might mean a few things like that. However, the rewards are far greater! It liberates you! It is an uplifting that there’s nothing that can compare really. And while I was in jail, I felt that as well. And I wrote that in some letters to people too that, if they were concerned that I was going to be in a deep dark depression in there, or something. No! No! I said I feel a 1,000 times freer than the jail boss, for instance. I would never want to change places with the jail boss there, and I felt free, still. It was only in body that I was incarcerated, and even with that though, once I kind of found my, … I mean, in the beginning, of course, it was a shock, and it was difficult to sort of de-stress myself about my concerns about the home front. I was sort of ripped out of my life, right? Out of my normal life — whatever normal is anymore, anyway — that it had already changed so much through the ritual defamation.

 

But then once I kind of settled into the fact that I couldn’t do anything about it, I didn’t have the key, they had the keys. They had the power to turn the keys and dictate the routine of my day. Like okay, open the doors at 10:00, you go in the courtyard, and bring the hot meal at 11:15, and then lock the doors again, and open the doors again, for an hour and a half in the afternoon.

 

And so they had the control over my daily life. However, once I resigned myself to, okay, this is where I am for now, I can’t do anything about it, well, I’ll just make the best of it! And I really did! I made the best of it. And I can tell you that for the most part I was in a very good mood. And yes, and you do get to know other people there. You become very close friends with other prisoners with whom you can share a little bit of what you’re going through there. We’re all in the same boat there! One tends to be not judgmental. You take people at face value, who they are, while there. And I’m telling you, I’m not the only person there and it shouldn’t be there, like in terms of being innocent. True wrong doing, right? And you just get into, well I got into a very good rhythm and had a good routine going. And yeah, it was fine that way. I’m not saying that a voluntary place to be. I didn’t go knock on the door on January 3rd and say, :

 

“Hey! Do you have another room? And can I just come in? [laughing] I’d like to stay a while, and have bars across my window!”

 

No, it’s not like that at all. But once you’re there and you can’t do anything about it, well you make the most of it.

 

And I’m telling you, it was a huge education, like, I learned so much! And you could just sit back and watch things happen to, and learn about other people’s story. I’m telling you, I learned a lot of things there that, oh my goodness, what an education that was! And I would say I got stronger and grew. I grew in different ways. I learned a lot, but I grew I think in a spiritual way, as well. And yeah, I made the best of my time there, I could say.

 

Brizer: Now, because I do know of few other people who were incarcerated for saying the wrong thing, or doing the wrong thing, or was perceived to be the wrong thing. And they came out even stronger, they didn’t come out in repentance to the government:

 

“Oh I’m sorry! Oh my God!”

 

They were actually coming out stronger and more committed to the cause, I think. So maybe sending people to jail isn’t such a good thing!

 

[45:55]

 

Monika: [laughing] That’s exactly right!

 

Brizer: I think you had your music as well to help you. Were you allowed to play? I know you’re an accomplished violinist. Were you allowed to play the violin much, or what?

 

Monika: Well thank you for asking about that. Yes. So I was incarcerated January 3rd, and I believe it was March 22nd that I got my violin into the jail. And, of course, I had no idea how long I was going to be there, and whatnot. So I was very concerned at first that I’m going to lose my skills. I’m going to lose all those tunes I have in my head, as well. Like I play a variety of types of music so not just classical music but also a lot of fiddle tunes and a lot of those are by memory in my head. And so I made lists of the tunes, the names of them, right at the beginning I wrote down every tune name that I could remember. And then every day I would just hum the melodies to these tunes, like maybe three, or four, or five of them each day, to keep them in my head. Because I was quite worried that I would lose them because, you know, with that kind of thing if you don’t play them, you lose them. I have to have a little sip here. My throat is getting, …

 

Anyway, excuse me, my lawyer, who is a brilliant, brilliant, lawyer, I cannot say enough about this man who represented me! He gave a very good argument to the court. He had to, we had to get court approval for getting the violin in. And it was all his idea to do this, too. But he argued, very well, that:

 

“Look, I was there as an innocent person, because if you have not yet been charged charged and convicted then you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. No matter what they think of you! No matter what kind of an evil ‘Nazi’, terrible persons they label me as. I am technically still innocent until proven guilty!”

 

And he argued that as a musician, who makes her living as a musician, everybody knows that if you don’t practice your instrument, you’re going to lose your skills. Thereby I would be losing my ability to make a living!

 

Now, I mean, just putting aside the fact that they’ve just ripped me out of my normal life, so I don’t have my capacity to make a living now, anyway. But just putting that aside, there they are holding me, awaiting some kind of a trial, that’s at some unknown date in the future. And possibly a long sentence. You just don’t know, right? Anyway, he argued that they were already punishing me by not allowing me to have my violin with me. They were already punishing me, and I am innocent, right? So that was his argument. He made it much shorter than in my description, just now. He was very articulate and succinct. And it took a while for them to decide. But they then decided “yes”, but then it still had to go through the prison authorities. And I’m telling you, they make their own rules there, which override the court if they deem it for security reasons — that’s always the catch all phrase:

 

“Oh, for ‘security reasons’ we’re going to do this, and not the other thing.”

 

But anyway, they did then finally permit me to have it. And I’m telling you that really improved my life a lot! It also opened the door for me, in many ways, into other people’s hearts! [chuckling] I can say, because people enjoyed it, that I had it. It was very unusual. Long term guards there had never seen anything like that. And I got to play every Sunday in church. And so it was like a mini performance for me, a mini concert opportunity. And I practiced every day in my cell for about an hour. Like, I didn’t overdo it. I didn’t want to overdo it. Now the way the cells are there, we’re all surrounding a courtyard. So all the windows of the women’s prison, it’s a sort of a small prison there for the women. Next door is the men’s prison, the much older Stadelheim, which is where Alfred is right now. And it’s huge!

 

But the women’s prison, it’s quite new there, that they made next door. And we all face into the courtyard. And so the windows all face into the courtyard. Now, in the first few days that I had my violin, I was just so excited about this, I noticed that when I played and my window was cracked [open] a bit, suddenly I saw all these other heads at other windows, like heads and shoulders. You could see them all coming to the other windows, and I realized:

 

“Oh! They could hear me!”

 

And so, then I just opened the window really wide, like not just cracked [open] but just opened it wide and stood in front of the window and played into the courtyard! [laughing] And we had a bit of a, sort of a, quote, unquote, “party” for a few minutes! People were just loving it and applauding it!

 

Of course, it’s illegal there to talk even, from one cell to another, through the windows. So this was really, we were breaking all the rules! And then there was one woman who got all excited, and she didn’t like it at all, and she screamed at me, and said:

 

“Close your window if you’re going to practice that thing!”

 

And so I guess, maybe she was traumatized once by somebody who played the violin! I don’t know. And then the others all shouted back at her:

 

“No! No! We want more!”

 

And it was really quite funny! Anyway, I did that for a few days in a row, just for a few minutes each day where I had it wide open like that. Do a little little concert into the courtyard.

 

But then all that ended when a guard caught us. I didn’t realize there was a guard in one of the windows. I hadn’t seen her. And then she was jotting down everybody that she could see that was shouting, or applauding through the windows, because that was highly “verboten” [forbidden]. And then they stormed my room and locked my windows shut for a few days! Like that was my punishment! And I got called to the jail boss’s office. And got the little “disciplinary action”! And it was really quite, … It was worth it anyway to have had that little bit of fun, like this joviality. And I didn’t care about the little bit of disciplinary action, it was all worth it. We had our fun.

 

[52:23]

 

 

And then, they didn’t take away the violin, thank goodness, that would have been the worst. But they also realized that the world was watching and paying attention. Because I did get a lot of mail. And that was a godsend for me! Because they probably would have treated me more strictly had I not been receiving all that mail, because they would have just thought they could get away with things. But there were other things that happened there, whereby I knew that the fact that I was getting all this mail was helping me a lot! Because they understood and realized that the world is watching. So anyway, they didn’t take away my violin, they let me have it, but they said:

 

“Oh you have to always have your windows closed when you’re practicing.”

 

But after about a month, I started to crack it open again a little bit, but nobody was applauding any more openly through the window. But I got a lot of positive feedback at the courtyard hour. People were really enjoying it. They would close their eyes and dream for a moment that they were somewhere else, that they weren’t in prison, that they were in a normal place. And so I got a lot of that kind of feedback, you know, I mean, it could be hardened criminals that are telling me that! [chuckling] And it was very nice for me to have that extra little thing that made my life a little bit more like “normal”. And also that I could keep up my skills, because really, I mean, if I had gone 10 months without having my violin it would’ve taken a lot of work to get back into it. And it just provided a little bit of enjoyment for not just me, but for others. So I was very grateful for that.

 

Brizer: And it’s kind of, when you think of it, it’s these small little things that you’re stuck in there on your own, you don’t really know anybody, and you’re able to get your violin which you can play and you can cheer yourself up, and the people up, and probably even a prison guards up. You know what I mean?

 

Monika: Yes!

 

Brizer: Just little small things like that can always make a difference. And also it just kept you kind of sane in many ways, because this is the love of your life, the music.

 

Monika: Absolutely!

 

Brizer: It just keeps keeps you’re kind of, you know, … Because you could easily sink into a deep depression and all the rest of it, couldn’t you?

 

 

 

Monika: Yeah, I think you could. I mean, I had many things going for me that would prevent me from sinking into any kind of depression. Like I said I was in a good mood most of the time. So the violin was definitely one of those things. And the letters were another of those things that really were a lifeline for me! And with that I would like to encourage people to write letters to political prisoners and Alfred, my brother, he’s in Stadelheim jail — I’m sure that you will probably put his address into the description, or something. But sometimes people say they don’t know what to write, and they are afraid to write because they don’t know what to write.

 

But, you don’t have to write anything that is controversial, or political. In fact, it’s probably just as well if you don’t, but it’s the support, it’s the encouragement. You could just write about your pet dog, [chuckling] or a funny story, or whatever! It just doesn’t matter what you write, but the fact that you’re writing something. It could just be two lines, and it’s very encouraging for the person in the prison, and it also shows “them”, you know, the staff, the guards, and the court, and whatnot, it shows them, this person has not been forgotten, they’re not alone. And, that is a really good thing, if the they are shown that we are watching what’s going on, and we are many! That does help a lot.

 

For example, I’ll just give you a little story too while I was in prison there with the mail. Like, when you are still awaiting trial, all the mail goes through the court. They read it and they might photocopy letters that they deem they want to use as evidence, and all this stuff, and whatnot. But they read it and they send it on to the jail, and then the jail people check it for inserts, or if anything has been smuggled in, or whatever. So they check it again.

 

Now, if it goes through the courts it’s supposed to be opened in front of us, and I realized after a while, and I learned from other prisoners what the rules were on that. And they’re supposed to open these big brown envelopes in front of us! To do the final check for smuggled goods, or inserts. But mine were all opened already. And so the mail room in the basement downstairs, they were already opening mine and they were doing another check in front of my eyes. But that was like the 3rd check now through my mail. So I was getting extra special treatment there, in terms of having my letters controlled. So I called a meeting with the jail boss on this. I requested a meeting, and I had a meeting. And I brought this up and I said:

 

“This is against the law! You should be opening in front of my eyes in the office here.”

 

And she said:

 

“Oh no, in some special cases we open it already, in advance, you know, it’s a special case.”

 

So I said:

 

“What do you mean? Why special?”

“Oh, you know, for the safety and security of the institution.”

 

And, because I was challenging her on the legality of it. And she pulled a binder off the shelf and showed, you know, “safety and security” and all that stuff. That catch-all phrase, right? That they use when they want to do things against us and keeping things secret. It’s always that catch-all phrase:

 

“Oh, for security reasons! We can’t tell you this and we can’t tell you that. And we can do this, and we can do that.”

 

Anyway, so I said:

 

“Oh! Okay, well why? What’s this going to help?”

“Well in case you’re making plans! Maybe you’re making a gang here, or gathering followers, or whatever.”

 

I said:

 

“Oh, that means you’re reading my outgoing mail? I am sealing those envelopes to the court and sending them direct there. But you’re reading those too?”

“Oh no, just the incoming mail.”

“So, how are you going to find out about my plans, and my gang members, or whatever?” [chuckling]

 

And she says:

 

“Well they might be responding to your letter and saying, ‘Oh yes! Good plan! Good plan!”

 

Something like that. And I just burst out laughing at that point, because it was just getting more and more ludicrous. And then at some point I just said:

 

“You know, if you’re so worried about my conversations that I’m having here with other prisoners, then really you should be putting me into isolation, like into solitary confinement.”

 

I just said that right to her face. And she did not blink an eye, and she said:

 

“That’s the next step!”

 

And I did not blink an eye either, and I said to her:

 

“The world is watching!”

 

[chuckling] And that was about the end of that meeting with her. And I stood up and left. But I was very proud, and confident, and I think she was probably purple in the face, by then. She did not like me at all, the jail boss! Thank goodness I didn’t have very many interactions with her, or didn’t have to deal with her on a day-to-day basis. That was the big boss. But it was really true, that she knew that the world was watching! She knew I was right about that. And I think that give me a degree of safety. Because, I mean, it was a little bit uppity of me to say to her:

 

“You really you should be putting me into solitary, if you’re so worried about things I’m talking about here.”

 

And I just felt I could just get away with it! And I did. And they didn’t put me into solitary confinement, no way!

 

So I told you that she didn’t like me very much, I knew that. But, the guards, I have to tell you that from the beginning to the end there was a real transformation in how I was being treated in that jail. When I left and, of course, for months prior to leaving, I was being treated very well, with respect. I mean, they’re doing their job okay, they have to do their job and all that.

 

So they are strict and it’s not like they’re giving me special favors. But they treated me well. And in the beginning it was not like that. I was the “Nazi” coming in, and this is in “reeducated” Germany, where they’re all indoctrinated and programmed. And here I am, the “Nazi” coming in. And so I got kind of “extra special” treatment in the beginning, and I’m putting that in quotation marks. They really try to humiliate and degrade you in all kinds of ways.

 

And I think other prisoners also receive that kind of humiliating treatment, but they kind of loaded an extra dose of that on for me. And I know that for sure, because there were certain guards that, they just, … Oh my goodness! They just couldn’t stand that “Nazi”! And they gave me sometimes an earful.

 

Anyway, so that was an interesting transformation that took place through the course of time. And I think, because they saw that I was just a normal human being, and I was polite with them, and just tried to be friendly and normal. And they also can see that I’m in a pretty good mood most of the time. I’m getting along with other prisoners. I’m not creating strife, or conflict. And, in fact, sometimes I would mediate between people to try to smooth things out, that kind of thing. I mean, yeah it’s just life in prison, and I’m telling you, by the time I left I was being treated very well.

 

[62:01]

 

 

Brizer: Right. We’re just on the hour mark, or just over it. We can take a musical break, but before just that, Monika, I sent you a card ages ago. I don’t know if you remember, you probably got hundreds of them, but again it was just a simple message just saying I was thinking about you and praying for you and wishing you all the best. You know, that’s all you have to write.

 

I have a Christmas card here at home which I’m going to be sending off to Alfred. And I would urge everybody who is listening tonight to send Alfred a Christmas card! It’s that time of year. And I’ll just give out the address here, but we’ll put it in the show notes afterwards. It’s:

 

Alfred Schaefer.
Stadelheim Prison.
Stadelheimer Straße.
81549 Munich.
Germany.

 

So that’ll cheer him up no end. Just send loads of Christmas cards to him and just wish him a Merry Christmas, that’s all. You don’t have to say anything else. That will just cheer him up no end, I’m sure.

 

As you said Monika, it helped you big time, and I’m sure it’s going to help him. And we have to give him the support now because he’s there, where you were. We should keep him in our thoughts this time of year. It’s not going to be nice to be stuck in a prison at this time year, either.

 

Monika: That is for sure!

 

Brizer: So let’s do that guys, just get the cards out, it’s a simple thing to do. And it just makes a huge difference.

 

So, I’ll tell you what we’ll do, we’re going to play a song. I’m sure you might have heard of Monika, her name is Loreena McKennitt. She’s Canadian.

 

Monika: Oh yes! Love her music.

 

Brizer: I particularly like this song that I think she wrote when she came to Ireland. She connected with her Irish roots. And it’s called “The Old Ways”. And really, when you think about it, the old ways, okay, they weren’t perfect but they were a lot better than they are now, that’s for sure! And we can learn a lot from it. So we’re play this song, it goes on for about 5 minutes, so Monika, if you want to get a glass of water, or tea, or coffee, whatever. We’ll be back in 5 minutes folks and we’ll continue with this great conversation! So stick with us.

 

[64:19]

 

Okay, welcome back everybody! A beautiful song there by Loreena McKennitt, called “The Old Ways”.

 

That is the kind of music that just drives me on! Sometimes when you feel a bit down about all the stuff that’s ing on, the madness that is ing on in this world you just kind of go back to the old ways, think about our ancestors and what sacrifices they made. We’ve got to carry the torch forward, it’s as simple as that!

 

We have a special guest tonight, Monika Schaefer. We had a great first hour talking about her experiences. Welcome back Monika!

 

Monika: Thank you!

 

Brizer: Right, let’s go into the actual trial that yourself and Alfred went through, because I was reading a lot of this as it was going on. I never saw such a kangaroo court in all my life! An unbelievable nonsense! And I know a lot about law, because I’ve been going through my own situation regards the banks. And I see the lies and the deception, the corruption that is going on in there.

 

But in Germany it just seems to be a lot worse, from what I can see. I was shaking my head of disbelief. So anyway did you want to just kind of just go back to when it all started? So you were in prison at the time, but then Alfred was speaking out. You take it from there, Monika.

 

Monika: Okay. Yeah I’ll take it from there then. Yes, one day short of the 6 month deadline that they have, for how long they can hold a prisoner before trial begins — 6 months in Germany — one day before that, the trial began, July second. Now they would have just renewed that. It wouldn’t have been a problem for them, because I did meet other prisoners that were there a lot longer than I was without trial. So the things that go on in the prisons in Germany are just something that is unbelievable! I was shocked to learn that! Anyway it did start on July second. At first they had scheduled four days, then they scheduled seven days for the trial. But they just wanted to get it over with and done! And, you know, wipe their hands clean of it. They already had the verdict, of course, we know that. This was just for show, now. I mean, they made their verdict a long time ago, and now they need to to, … Because they still have laws, and it’s not quite overtly a dictatorship, but it certainly is covertly, one!

 

And yeah, that was the first time that I had seen Alfred in the 6 months. And it was a very joyous and jovial, very wonderful meeting. But what had been unexpected for me when I walked into that door — of course I was escorted there handcuffed to the guard — suddenly I am confronted with all these cameras! And I hadn’t even considered that would happen. But it’s just like in the news that you watch on television, where somebody goes through this throng of reporters, and all the cameras are blitzing away! And this is quite a surprise to me. And the door where I came in, that’s where Alfred was sitting, and he didn’t see me first, because his back was to me. And I just tapped him on the shoulder and he jumps up and out of his chair! And we have a big hug, and then he turns towards the cameras and he’s just giving them the whole spiel, like:

 

“Yeah! The lies are going down! And we’re winning!”

 

[laughing] It was really great! [laughing] Anyway it was quite the moment! It was such an adrenaline rush for me. Perhaps, because I just didn’t know what to expect. And, of course, having sat in jail for 6 months and then here is my first court day, you’re a little bit nervous going into that situation! Anyway, I could couldn’t even move my mouth, or my tongue, because everything had just became dry, I think it was a reaction as an adrenaline rush, reaction, or something. [laughing]

 

Anyway the camera people had to leave, because there were no cameras for the trial. So okay, got lead to my seat, this commotion all settled down then. And then there was the story of the water. Like, I needed water desperately, because like I said, I couldn’t even move my mouth! So if somebody had asked me a question, to even just answer my name, I wouldn’t even have been able to at that point. It was just completely, I was kind of paralyzed [chuckling] And we couldn’t get water. No, it was not permitted! No you can’t have water here! So you have to have a recess. Okay, well let’s have a recess and get water now! [laughing] I mean, this is the first half day, or the first day was such a show!

 

Then there was the issue of the microphones! There was a beautiful microphone system, all of us had one in front of us. Like each judge, the prosecutor, the lawyers, Alfred and I, we each had a microphone in front of us. But the system wasn’t turned on. And we were trying to have them turn it on! And the judge just dismissed that. He says:

 

“No, no. We don’t need it. We can all hear each other.”

 

But people from the gallery, the public gallery, were kind of shouting out that they couldn’t hear. And the judge got really angry at them for even opening their mouths. And he would just shout back at them, and say:

 

“You have nothing to say! It is not for you to speak. Keep your mouth closed! You’re not to open your mouths!”

 

He was really angry at them. And he was dismissing us about the microphones:

 

“We just don’t need them!”

 

He brushed it aside.

 

[70:30]

 

 

Anyway, this went on for some time, and then I just stood up out of my chair and kind of spoke out of turn. But I just couldn’t believe this was going on. And I just stood up and said:

 

“Look, either this is a public trial, or it is not a public trial! If the public cannot hear, then they really are there just for show. And then what Alfred has been saying is true!”

 

And, of course, Alfred was calling it a Muppet Show, and he was also calling it an “inquisition”. And he had done some other things, like he didn’t stand up for the judge when the judge walked in. That was very very, you know, going against the rules, and the judge was trying to get him to stand up. And the judge just didn’t know what to do with all this. But when I said that about either this is a public trial, or this is not a public trial, and if the public cannot hear, then they are just there for show, and then it really is a Muppet Show. Then Alfred is correct in what he has been describing this as!

 

And he still didn’t budge! Finally in exasperation I just muttered something about:

 

“Oh! My hearing isn’t so good anymore. I can’t hear.”

 

And that caught his attention! And I didn’t even, really say that very loudly. I just kind of muttered it, as I was frustrated. And suddenly though, his ears pricked up. He said:

 

“You can’t hear?”

 

I said:

 

“No. No, I can’t hear.”

 

And that’s when he got the technician in, and it took all of one, or two minutes to get this system turned on, and then we had microphones. But I’m telling you that was not at the beginning, that was halfway through the day, after we had a few recesses in this and that.

 

Now this this, what Alfred was doing there, that landed him in jail, that day. So he was held in detention. Actually, I think he was held in a police cell that night. And he came out the next morning on bail and certain conditions. Like, he had to give up his passport and show up at the police a couple times a week, or something like that. And then he was free again that week to travel back to his home each night. But the trial went for four days in a row there, the first week. And they went back to his home on Friday and picked him up, and arrested him. And he has been in jail ever since. And I did not know that until the following week. Then we didn’t have trial days til the following Thursday. And we’re all sitting there at 10 in the morning, or 9:30 in the morning and there’s no Alfred! And I’m looking around wondering what’s going on. And somebody is muttering something about the transport from the jail. And I’m just thinking:

 

“What is going on?”

 

And my lawyer looks me says:

 

“You don’t know?”

 

And I said:

 

“Know what?”

 

And he said:

 

“He’s in jail.”

 

And I just about fell off my chair! I did not know that he had been in jail already for 6 days, at that point. Right next door to me, basically. And I was just devastated! I was shocked that there he was incarcerated now.

 

Brizer: Was he held in contempt of court?

 

Monika: No, not at that point, okay. So the first night that he was held in detention it was, because of the behavior in court. I guess “contempt of court”. Thank you for that word, yes. After that they found a reason to put him away. And, of course, they couldn’t stand the fact that he kept talking to the world, you know, he wasn’t shutting up. And they found some reason and they said, called it [words unclear], which means to darken, which means, hiding evidence, which is completely ridiculous, because Alfred is doing quite the opposite, he’s exposing things, he’s telling things, he’s talking, he’s not hiding any evidence of anything!

 

[74:36]

 

And the other reason, I guess, they put was “flight risk”. And I mean, that was also ludicrous. It was clear that Alfred was very interested in attending court and being there for this inquisition. And basically giving them a big education and bringing them to the, well “plausible deniability”. That’s the term that he used a lot. They were going to be at the point of no return, that they could no longer use “plausible deniability”, as in, they didn’t understand it, or they didn’t know what was going on. I mean, that’s what the trial then was all about. But in the first week it was really quite tumultuous and wild. There were two other people besides Alfred who were thrown in jail. Sylvia Stolz that was thrown in jail for two days, for, in German [words unclear] which means, like, what did you say the word you used there?

 

Brizer: Contempt of court.

 

Monika: Yes, contempt of court. But she’s just said a word, at the end of the day, after court was already dismissed, but the judge heard her and didn’t like it. She just said:

 

“This is terror!”

 

When he had jailed Alfred. And she just said it very quietly, she’s a very soft spoken woman, but powerful! My goodness!

 

And she said that and the judge “woof” he just, you know, his ears pricked up and he and he threw in jail for to days for that. And then on day four, there was a fellow who had been attending all week, and he was thrown in jail and hauled off for four days. For something that he had said to the prosecutor outside of the court room. So again, not during court proceedings, but outside of the courtroom in the hallway. And he had said something to the prosecutor about:

 

“That he hoped that she would see the inside of a jail at some point.”

 

He just started out saying “shame!” you know, “shame on you!” hoping that she would see the inside of a jail. And then they fabricated more that he did not say. And there were witnesses around, but those fabrications stuck. And they were a little bit stronger than what I just told you and I’m not going to repeat them. Because, you know, you repeat fabrications and suddenly they become true. And they weren’t. So anyway, they have to lie even in things like that! So they threw him away for four days. And it was interesting when they were doing this, he stood up and said — just out of concern — he said:

 

“Okay, what’s going to happen with my car?”

 

Because obviously he was worried that his car was going to get hauled off somewhere, it was parked somewhere where it shouldn’t be parked for four days. The judge at that point lost his temper, and he just started screaming at this guy! It was unbelievable! Screaming at him:

 

“I don’t care what happens to your car! I just don’t want to see you! Get over here! I don’t care what’s going to happen! I don’t care what’s going out to you!”

 

And he just went off the rails there. And, in fact, the female judge beside him, she put her hand on his arm and trying to pull him down from his elevated state,

 

Brizer: Calm him down a bit.

 

Monika: Calm him down. And that happened several more times during the course of the trial. That she had to kind of bring him down a little bit from his state. And she could see that he was doing things that were not good, that were mistakes on their part. And she would kind of touch him, put her hand on his arm. And then they recessed. And he even said that, :

 

“Yeah, we’re going to have to bring this down a little bit. We’re going to have a 20 minute recess.”

 

Or whatever it was, to recompose, and come back. So the first week was just wild actually!

 

Now I could go into more details about what took place there, but I’ll just tell you what basically transpired during the trial, and then we can talk about some of the details.

 

At first, like I say, they wanted it to be over and done with very quickly. Why and how they thought it was going happen, is that they were going to just show little snippets, little clips, like a 30 second clip from this video and maybe a minute from that video. All the offending bits, the bits that they had outlined in the charges against Alfred and me.

 

Now for my part, that six minute video was so short, they were just going to show that whole thing, when it came time for that. But with Alfred’s videos as, you know, he has made quite a few educational videos. Some of them are one hour long, some of them are half an hour long. And there are a number of them. Now they picked little snippets and said:

 

“This is bad! This is bad! This is bad! You go to jail!”

 

Okay. Well, he had a brilliant strategy to force them to show the entire video so that they would be shown in context. And basically he did that by not answering certain questions that the judge was asking him, wanting to nail him, right away in that first week. They just wanted to nail him. Okay:

 

“You produced this there, and that time, and there you pushed a button and sent it out to the internet.”

 

Well, he just didn’t answer certain questions, the technical questions about where, and when, and how, and who, he produced this and put it on the Internet. Because those things then would just be enough for them to nail him! Because it’s against the law, and that’s it! :

 

“Ba-ta-boom ba-ta-bing! Off you go! And we’ll throw away the key while we’re at it!”

 

You know, that kind of thing. So finally the exasperated judge — they could see that they were losing this battle — they decided:

 

“Yes okay, we’re going to see the videos in their entirety.”

 

So then a lot more days were ultimately scheduled in for the trial. And it went on till late October. It was supposed to be over in July, right! But anyway. [laughing]

 

[80:44]

 

 

Basically that was huge chunk of time to see these videos. And if they were in English then the translator they had to give a translation, and the lawyers insisted that this be done properly. That they write the translations out so that it’s not just sort of simultaneous translation while the video was being shown. Because then you lose a lot. So they had to do that, like their homework. They had to translate these videos and then they would read the translations after the video was shown. And then there’d be question, answer, and discussion, and that kind of thing.

 

And it was a huge education! Alfred’s whole strategy here was to make sure that not a single person could sit through that trial and not understand what is really going on in the world. They could not at some later point in time, when this regime has collapsed, and fallen. And if they find themselves on trial, that they would say:

 

“Oh we just didn’t understand it! We just didn’t know we’re just, you know, going with our understanding and following orders!”

 

Brizer: Instead of the truth is no defense, lies is no defense.

 

Monika: There you go!

 

Brizer: That is the way to look at it. They are lying through their teeth and they know it! And they are getting away with it. That is where we come in to call them out on their lies. And we keep calling them out, call them out, call them out!

 

Monika: Exactly! Exactly!

 

Brizer: These people have been getting away with too much, for too long. I’ve had enough of them, and I’m sick of it! I’m sick of what they’re doing to my country! I’m sick of the doings of European countries! To our people! This is wrong! These lies have to come to the top and they will be exposed at some point, and it is getting there. We just have to stay strong and don’t give in.

 

Monika: Well, their means of upholding these lies are getting more and more extreme, so that it becomes more, and more, obvious that they are just upholding lies! That’s the thing, they’re kind of falling flat on their faces, because of the means that they use to keep these lies going.

 

Brizer: We will remember them Monika, we will remember those days and we will come to them and say:

 

“Right! We hold you accountable!”

 

Monika: Exactly.

 

Brizer:

 

“Now you’re going to prison, we’re going to throw away the key! You’re going to be on the other side of it!”

 

Monika: That’s right.

 

Brizer: And we’re definitely going to throw away the key this time. Because you people shouldn’t be out there! And don’t be coming go out with these excuses that:

 

“We didn’t know!”

 

Yes you did! You knew exactly what you were doing.

 

Monika: Of course, they know it. Absolutely they know it.

 

Yeah, I mean, they didn’t allow us to put evidence forth. Any of the motions for evidence, or requests for proof, that our side put forth, like Alfred, or his lawyer, or my lawyer, or myself, they rejected it. For example, if we wanted to have a historian, an historical expert to verify that what Alfred was reading out in these statements that he read out, like longish papers. That these are actually true, that these are real quotes.

 

For example, from jews who have said this is not about us. That they want to get rid of the White race, just simple things like that. Just minor details, okay, but that these are not just made up. We were not just making these things up. And an historical expert could come in and verify that these things were actually said by those people, the way that Alfred is putting it, either in his video, or in his statements that he was submitting. No! That was all rejected! All rejected!

 

And I’ll tell you about one specific witness who they weren’t even going to have, but he had to be called be due to exposing the fact that this witness had written a big long letter to the judge and they were hiding this from us! So, this man’s name is Gerd Ittner. You have probably heard of him, and many of your listeners may have heard of him, because he has been a political prisoner in the, what they call the BRD, Germany, for years. He’s out now, but again, he was in jail again for 6 months, or so just recently.

 

See: Entschuldigung Mama, ich hatte Unrecht was den Holocaust betrifft — TRANSCRIPT

 

Anyway, he originally was going to be called as a witness for this trial, the Schaefer Trial, then he was called off as a witness. Nobody explained why he was called off as a witness. But we think it’s because he’s in an “inconvenient” witness. And in the meantime he was in jail, and he wrote a very long letter to the judge. And it was because of our trial that he was going to be, how do you call it, [word unclear], like he was going to be taking, “lightening our load”, so to speak. I don’t know exactly the words to use. For example, one of the charges against me included the fact that in the video, “Dissidents Speak Out” which is an interview between Alfred and Gerd Ittner, they attached my 6 minute video at the end of that one, the German version. Because the German version was eliminated from the Internet in Germany very quickly. And Gerd Ittner had liked that video, and he decided he was going to give it more airtime, and put it on.

 

See: Alfred Schaefer – A Dissident Speaking Out – Gerhard Ittner — TRANSCRIPT

 

Anyway, so they charged me for that, because they said:

 

“Oh, in collusion with Gerd Ittner.”

 

And he was arguing that I didn’t even know. And that is true! I didn’t even know until after they did it, right? So it’s kind of like if you teach somebody the skills of building a fire and then they go down the street the next week and they light somebody’s house on fire, and now they charge you, because you taught them how to build a fire, like a bonfire in the backyard! It was just crazy logic!

 

And so, that plus he was also going to talk about the fact that the video interview that he did with Alfred, it was his inspiration, his talking, telling Alfred his own story, that inspired Alfred to go on and do all these videos. And then causing Alfred to be indicted now. So he was going to try to lighten that load, and take take the blame himself, right? And the judges didn’t let us know. But this was sent to the judges and they were hiding evidence. And they didn’t even share it with our lawyers, which is completely illegal!

 

But our lawyers caught wind of this long letter, and they brought it up. And suddenly the one judge turns red, purple in the face, and the other one goes White! They each had their physical reactions to this, because they knew that they really blew it! And suddenly he’s called in, yeah! I’m serious! [laughing] suddenly Gerd Ittner got called in for the following court day. Which was the Monday. And this was on a Friday.

 

Anyway, I’ll go back a little bit to just how they give a verdict first and then create their story. Going back, before the trial, when they were giving me hearings to determine if I was to still continue staying on in jail awaiting trial, or if they would let me out to go to my brother’s place, sort of in a form of house arrest. And this happened twice, that I went before a judge during that 6 month period, once in March and once, I believe it was, in May. And I guess that’s part of the rules, every so often you have got to have a hearing. But they weren’t going to let me out. There’s no way!

 

But at the first hearing there was some hope that I would get out. In fact, the judge in that case seemed very sympathetic, and she was talking about how I’d only have to go maybe twice a week to the police station to present myself. Whereas my lawyer was saying:

 

“I should go every day.”

 

And she’d said:

 

“Twice a week would be enough.”

 

So it really was going towards this notion that I would be let out, but not to go away from Germany, but to await trial. And at that point we had no idea when the trial was. I didn’t even have my charges yet, until late April. And this was in March.

 

Anyway, she said:

 

“Okay, well I’ll let, you know, tomorrow by fax what the result is.”

 

Everybody there thought that I was getting out. Even the guard that accompanied me, she was very nice, and said:

 

“Well, one more night in the jail, it’s not so bad with us, is it?”

 

She was being friendly. And the next day no news, and the day after that I kind of knew in my heart that I was getting out. And I had kind of a rough day that day because I started to get my hopes up! Then kind of crashed then. And then the day after that, I put the pictures back on the wall, because I had packed everything. Because, if you do get let out, you can’t go back in the cell. And then by Monday, or Tuesday, finally the reply came. And by then, I knew anyway. But the reply was “No!” And then they have to give reasons.

 

[90:10]

 

 

And one of the reasons was a complete fabrication! It was a complete lie! They said that something about my “active letter writing”. My letter correspondence with Gerd Ittner. Now I had not had a single letter from him, which also meant I had not written a single letter to him, because I wouldn’t have had an address, anyway. But not one letter went between us!

 

And they’re using this is one of the reasons like, oh, by the way, the judge why she said she would give the answer the next day, because she had to still talk to the prosecutor. And that’s what did it. The prosecutor gave her a bunch of lies, and one of these lies was that I had this active letter writing correspondence with Gerd Ittner. And this was a dangerous thing, I guess. I don’t know how they justified still keeping me in. Maybe they just didn’t want me to communicate with him and this is preventative, rather than reactive.

 

But there you go, it was a complete and utter lie! And that’s how it changed from giving me all indications that they were going to let me out to:

 

“No, you’re staying in.”

 

Right? So they give the verdict first, and then they make up the story. And so that was a hearing back in March. But fast forward to the trial, Gerd Ittner comes in. Then it didn’t work out in the end, because the judge was very impatient with him. And while he indicated that he wants to testify as a witness, but first he wanted to clarify this identity problem with him. Because they have him in there with the wrong name. But the judge was very impatient. Now the judge could have handled that differently and just said:

 

“Look okay, are you the person that appears in that video?”

 

And then he would have just said:

 

“Yes that is me.”

 

But anyway, that’s neither here, nor there.

 

The important part they were going to avoid him, because he was an “inconvenient” witness.

 

And I’ll tell you a little bit of an aside here, about another trial that was going on at the same time. But it had been going on for 5 years, and it finished up, I believe, it was in August that it finished up. And that was another trial which Gerd Ittner was supposed to be a witness too, but they kept him out of it, because they only want witnesses that are “convenient” to their side a story, and not the “inconvenient” witnesses, the ones who tell the truth and actually do have knowledge of what transpired. And that is the NSU. Did I tell you about that already in the first hour, I don’t think so?

 

Brizer: No you didn’t, no.

 

Monika: The NSU, that’s stands for the National Socialist Underground. And this is a very interesting story, because it tells you how these operations happen, and a little bit about, you know, deception coming from the government agencies, and whatnot, or the spy agencies. So the National Socialist Underground, it was basically a terrorist organization. And there was a woman in jail there with me that I got to know a little bit. And she has now been given a verdict of life! Life in prison! And like I say this trial that went on for about 5 years and, of course, the whole time she’s in prison, and I think she was in prison already before that. And maybe 300 court days, and very, very, many witnesses. Okay. So that wrapped up.

 

And I’ll just tell you in summary here a little bit about that, and it just knocks your socks off! Over 50 witnesses, or over 50 people, sorry, over 50 people it was revealed that they had been paid agents. So they’re called [words unclear] is the letter V. And that stands for [word unclear] And these are like, it’s like a secret agency type of thing, you know, to protect the Constitution type of agency in Germany. But this is a constitution built on a country that’s built on lies! And it’s not even a sovereign country, so the whole thing is just a criminal regime!

 

So there were over 50 people who were involved in this NSU. Some of whom became really good friends with this woman that I got to know, who was now a “fall” person. She was like one of the real people who was not a paid agent, but she was pulled into this organization. Now they could never prove her presence at any of these actual bombings, and actual events where people died. They actually could never prove her presence, but just from all the other surrounding, circumstantial evidence, and whatnot, they have convicted her to life in prison.

 

And get this, 120 years is how long they have locked the files away! So in 120 years if somebody wants to access them through Freedom of Information, or whatever rules they have at that time. Yeah, several generations later, they can access these files! Now what does that tell you?

 

Brizer: There’s something big to hide there!

 

Monika: Absolutely! So what they do is they create a story, and then, you know, they create the problem and then they create the solution. So the problem in this case was this organization was terrorizing immigrants okay, so well, these migrants, or invaders, as Alfred calls them. And that’s how they should be called, because they are being invited in by people who want to demolish us, and replace us, and destroyed us! And he’s their opportunists, and quite often they’re criminals themselves that, you know, maybe they’ve emptied their jails in some of these countries. Where they’ve just let them loose on our countries. And so, some of the people did die. There were some families that died and whatnot. And now this NSU, so National Socialists Underground, this is neo-Nazis, and there are all painted with this brush of being this, you know, they’re Nazis, they’re neo-Nazis! Oh my goodness, they’re radical right wing people!

 

And now all the people who are talking, raising their voices in concern about immigration policies, or about how we’ve been lied to about World War Two, are we being lied to about some of these other events going on now? We’re all painted with the same brush, all of these radical right wing people. And look at them, they’re violent, they kill people, and they’re awful! And then the general public, they don’t know what to make of this. And that’s how it goes, they create the problem, and they create the solution. Create a police state, more and more. And if anybody speaks out against all these people coming in, they scream “racism”, or they scream about xenophobia! They use all these weaponized words against us!

 

Brizer: Yes. And now that’s becoming a criminal act by voicing your opinion.

 

Monika: Exactly.

 

Brizer: And that is why all these “hate speech” laws are being pushed in all these countries. That’s what they’re going for now, because people are beginning to talk about it.

 

Monika: Exactly.

 

Brizer: The conversation has begun, and it’s getting bigger, and it’s getting bigger. So they have to shut that down. And the way to shut it down is just label people “neo-Nazis”, “fascists”, whatever. Whatever they want. But the way I look at it, it’s just a label. They can put it on me, I can take it off again, okay? I just a sovereign man who cares about my country, my people! I don’t want to see it turned into a 3rd World slum, it’s as simple as that!

 

Monika: Yeah!

 

Brizer: I have no animosity towards these people, wherever they come from. None at all. I wish them well in their countries. I’d love to see them thrive and do, but they don’t need to come here!

 

Monika: That is right! I am so glad you said that, no animosity towards these people. No. And think of it this way, if they are skilled people, and talented people, and they can do work, then they should have stayed home and done work in their own country and stayed there. They have abandoned their own countries. Now, if they are the criminals being let loose on us, we don’t want them either! Like go back home! I don’t have any personal animosity to any of them, either. And in jail I got along with everybody, no matter who they were really.

 

Brizer: You judge people by their character.

 

Monika: Exactly! Exactly! It’s these policies that are being made by people who want to replace us and do us in. And that is the important point. So people need to open their eyes and learn about it. And also they need to learn to not react to those words! Just let it fall off like water off a duck’s back, and laugh back at their faces.

 

Brizer: Laugh at them! That’s what we did on Thursday night when we were called “Nazi scum, get off our streets!” We just laughed at them! We all had our Irish flags. You know what flags they had? I saw an EU flag and a communist flag. That is what they had. There you go, that is very telling, isn’t it? And they were shouting:

 

“One race — human race!”

 

All this kind of thing. These are just idiots! Brainwashed idiots! A few people tried to go up and talk to them. And ask them, like:

 

“Why are you like this? I mean, we’re just standing up for our own country.”

 

And it was like:

 

“Fff-off Nazi! Fff-off fascist scum!”

 

Monika: They have nothing to say!

 

Brizer: They have nothing to say! They’re complete brainwashed idiots! And sadly Monika a lot of them, I could see, are university students. And with know the universities now, are complete cultural Marxist cesspits!

 

[100:31]

 

 

Monika: They are!

 

Brizer: Where they’re not being educated at all, they are being programmed and pumped with this nonsense!

 

Monika: That is right.

 

Brizer: I’m more worried, like this the next generation coming through, who are supposed to be educated. What are they going to be like? It’s bad now! What is it going to be like in 20 years time?

 

Monika: Yeah. The people who are getting it the easiest, are the people who are the ordinary folk working with their hands, the people who have not been “highly educated”, you know, in quotation marks. Because “highly educated” people have been highly programmed, [laughing] you know!

 

Brizer: A lot of people I meet in my circles of people who started up their own businesses and fell on hard times — no fault of their own — had literally everything taken off them.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: So there’s nothing left, so they’re shouting out about it now and saying:

 

“I’ve not much left to loose.”

 

So I’m shouting out there. And maybe it has to kind of go down that way a bit. I don’t like to see people going through hardship, a lot of it is going on. But sometimes we have to kind of get into the darkness to come back into the light again.

 

Monika: Yeah.

 

Brizer: So we’re getting there. And another thing I wanted to bring up, I remember you were talking about it on the Andy Hitchcock Show, not too long ago. How any statements you make in your defense [Monika chuckles] can be used against you as another offense!

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: And I believe Alfred is due back in court in January, sometime.

 

Monika: Exactly! Now if that doesn’t make George Orwell roll over in his grave I don’t know what will! I mean, that is just mind blowing! What can you say? That in your own defense you cannot actually defend yourself. Like, for example, explaining how you reached these conclusions, or anything like that, because and you just recommitted another offence!

 

Brizer: Ohhh!

 

Monika: It’s laughable, except it’s so serious. And I’ll tell you one other example. I know we’re probably getting almost towards the end here but, …

 

Brizer: We can go over a bit, Monika. There’s no problem if you want to go over.

 

Monika: Okay. You were saying how the antifa people, or the counter demonstration people there, they just tell you to fff-off. They have nothing to say.

 

Well, I’ll tell you about a little incident in the trial too, where the prosecutor had absolutely nothing to say! This was after my lawyer had given a very rousing and, just a super powerful speech, I think was about 45 minutes long, and just filled with good information. And it was just such well documented information and whatnot. And he read it out, because in Germany that’s another issue — but we don’t even have time to go into that — if it’s not submitted in writing there’s no record of it. It’s just unbelievable! It’s like a secret trial in the Deep Dark Ages, that nothing, there’s no records, no transcript, no recording, of what went on in the trial!

 

But anyway, he did this, and when it came time for the prosecutor — they always have an opportunity to give a rebuttal, that kind of thing — well, she stands up and she says:

 

“You showed too much emotion in your speech!”

 

She was complaining about his tone of voice, because there was too much passion and emotion in it. Now, she had obviously found nothing that she could critique in the content of what he just said in this wonderful speech. And so she attacked him on that he was too passionate, or too emotional, and he looked over at the gallery once in a while, because he wasn’t just looking at judges. But it was just a surreal moment! And I did bring that up in my last word to that. I said:

 

“These issues that we’re talking about, this whole trial is about issues that go towards peace, and war, or destruction of our culture, or preservation of our people, and our culture. This is about the very fundamental question of life and death! And if we can not get emotional about these things, then what on earth can we get emotional about?”

 

And so I did raise that as an issue in my “last word”. And I just looked her straight in the eye when I said:

 

“If we can get emotional about these things what can we get emotional about?”

 

And I paused for a while and she starts squirming and having her funny smirk on her face that she always had when she was being like the devil. And it was surreal! It was surreal!

 

[105:08]

 

Brizer: Now you see these judges and politicians, they are all career judges, career politicians. Where all they care about is the big paycheck they get every month. From us, mainly!

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: From us! And then of course, you know, the lawyers who are making off like bandits, as well. So it’s a big corrupt system going on there. I suppose for say, you and Alfred to be going in there, you’re just ordinary people, you are up against a huge machine here. I’ve seen it myself, in my own experience, it’s daunting. But there’s more and more people now, who are going through the same thing. Whether you, like, facing eviction from their home. The homes that they worked hard, … [accidental musical interruption]. People now are beginning to see this.

 

And then this UN Global Compact thing has woken up quite a few people over here, because our government can’t WAIT to sign on the dotted line! Like Trudeau, over there in Canada.

 

See: Salim Mansur – Globalism and the UN Compact for Migration, Dec 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

Now we have a gay, half Indian, prime minister over here, Leo Varadkar, an absolute traitor! I mean, this guy does not give a, I’ll say it, he doesn’t give a shit about the people of this country! None of this party, or none of the opposition, anybody! There’s no politicians who are there who will actually stand up for anything. We’re beginning to realize now it’s, of course, it’s up to us!

 

Monika: That’s right!

 

Brizer: We’ve got to get these gangsters out of out here!

 

Monika: Yeah, yeah.

 

Brizer: And the thing is again, it’s about getting the conversation going and getting more and more people, and maybe put in some kind of political party. And there are couple who are out there. I mean, the only problem I find with political parties is that they can get corrupted, as well, and infiltrated.

 

Monika: That’s right, they do get infiltrated. It’s like this Catch 22, how do you come up against it?

 

Brizer: Exactly! So we have to be aware of all of these things, we have to look at all the tricks that they pull in the trade.

 

We can use against them, in many ways. But just keep exposing them for tie lies and corruption.

 

Monika: Yeah, that is right. Like their measures are getting more and more extreme. And it’s like the devil is dancing more wildly, and ever closer to the light. And the light being truth, and the people waking up. But the devil is dancing, closer and closer, to the light, so that the shadows get worse, darker and more clear cut! And I mean, that we are all witnessing how they do seem to be going quite berserk, and they make a lot of mistakes, and so this does help a lot of people to see and wake up about it. So yeah, …

 

See: Andrew Hitchcock with Alison Chabloz – “No Regrets!” — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

Brizer: Your trial and Alfred’s trial has shown that. See what happened to Alison Chabloz in the UK, same thing.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: She didn’t go to prison, but she’s on a suspended sentence. But she hasn’t shut up either. She can’t go on social media, but she’s still writing, still calling out the lies of this organization called the “Campaign Against Anti-semitism”.

 

See: Inside the Eye Live with Alison Chabloz – Mar 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

Monika: Yeah!

 

Brizer: She’s received death threats and all this type of stuff.

 

Monika: Oh my goodness!

 

Brizer: I mean that’s a criminal offence right there! Where are the police there? Where are they? Where are they?

 

Monika: Oh! And speaking of that kind of thing. Like the things they do to us, and our comrades, and then they call us the “haters”!

 

Brizer: Yeah!

 

Monika: And they’re charging us for “hate” speech! And what is this “hate speech” thing anyway? When I talk to ordinary people about free speech and then they say:

 

“Oh, oh, of course, I believe in freedom of speech! But hate speech that’s different!”

 

And then you try to call them out on, what is that? What is “hate speech”?

 

Brizer: Well, we’re not preaching “hate”, Monika! Were preaching love! Love for our people, love for our country!

 

Monika: Exactly! And during the trial whenever there were non-court days following trial days, I would be telling my friends in prison how they were proving to us, over and over again, how they were supporting lies and that truth was on our side. And just by the things they were doing, and saying, in court and not allowing us to bring evidence. And just everything they’re doing.

 

You know, this prosecutor complaining about the emotion that my lawyer showed, critiquing what he said. So I was quite joyful, and happy, and telling them how we’re proving, over and over, how the truth lies on our side. Of course, I realized that wasn’t going to necessarily go in our favor, but I was just happy about it anyway. And then at the very end the judge said:

 

“We proved over and over again what haters we were!”

 

And then he looks right at me and he says:

 

“Oh! And we even learned that musicians and composers can be good haters too!”

 

[laughing] It was quite something! I mean, just everything is inverted! Everything is inverted!

 

[110:46]

 

Brizer: Everything! I’ve just come to realize that pretty much everything we’ve been told is a lie! Pretty much everything!

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: If it’s not a lie it’s been spun out in some way which suits them but not us. We’re being shafted, the ordinary folks of our country! We have been lied to, shouted to, and robbed!

 

Monika: Yeah.

 

Brizer: Our country has been stolen from underneath out feet!

 

We need to really get ourselves together here to save our civilization.

 

Monika: We really do.

 

Brizer: I’m committed to this! I don’t care, I’m going off, I’m ready! I’m ready for it! And I’ll do what I can.

 

It’s got to be said a lot of people are waking up. I spoke to a lot of people last Thursday night who know all about the jewish Question. They know big time what’s going on! And it was very refreshing, because I thought a lot of them were just kind of wanting to go on about, you know, :

 

“The Muslims are taking over!”

 

Yes. We know they are all coming over and we don’t want them here, particularly. We’d rather they stay in our own country and do their our own thing. Not against them or anything, but we don’t want them here. But we have to look beyond who’s controlling that. Who is on top of that pyramid? And people are beginning to get it now! And they know all about the “Holocaust” lie and are seeing it. And it’s very, it was really, it made my heart feel good, you know what I mean? Knowing that people, … I was in good form going home that night, knowing that my fellow folk are waking up to this and are beginning to realize this. And more, and more, people are doing it. That’s why, as I said they are coming go in now trying to bring in these “hate speech” laws.

 

 

See: Red Ice Radio: Dr Andrew Joyce – The History of Jewish Influence — TRANSCRIPT (Part 1)

 

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: We can challenge all of that, because again, speaking your mind, or even being hateful, is not a crime!

 

Monika: That’s right!

 

Brizer: It’s as simple as that!

 

Monika: And I like how you’ve expressed it too. Just, because you don’t want these people in your own country, doesn’t mean you have something personally against them as individuals. No! You just don’t want them in your own country.

 

Brizer: Exactly!

 

Monika: That’s all!

 

Brizer: Think about it. Bring it back to your own house. You are not going to invite all and sundry into your house, and feed them, and clothe them, and look after them, and give them everything! Of course, you’ll invite your friends and people you know. You’re going to be a nice host and look after people. We all do it. But you are not going to invite strangers in, to just take everything you have and then just throw you out! [Monika chuckles]

 

Monika: Exactly!

 

Brizer: But this is the same with our country, because our country is our home. This is our home! We have nowhere else to go to!

 

Monika: That’s right.

 

Brizer: So, we can’t emigrate to Nigeria, or Somalia. They won’t let us in. Wrong skin colour! Well that’s racist! There we go!

 

Monika: Didn’t you hear about it? The only people that are able to be racist are whites? Didn’t you hear that? [laughing]

 

Brizer: Oh yes! It’s the same again, blacks and Africans can come to Europe, and move in, call themselves “migrants” and “refugees”, or whatever. White South Africans? Oh, no! No! No! Can’t have them!

 

Monika: Isn’t that just something else! Oh my goodness! We should actually be looking towards South Africa to see what they have in mind with us. I mean, the real story of South Africa, because they certainly don’t talk about it in the mainstream media very much, what is actually going on there right now. It’s just an absolute tragedy what’s going on there.

 

See: A Blind Eye to Murder of Whites in South Africa

 

Brizer: Clearly. We’ve had guests on here about that.

 

Monika: Yeah, that’s good., you know, thing I’d like to say, kind of as a hopeful thing, is that they are in such a panic! And they keep showing us what a panic they’re in, you know, they’re trying to shut down this and that site. And they throw people in jail. That means they’re in a panic. Now if they’re in a panic, that should actually be a sign that there is hope for us. Because if there was no hope for us, then they wouldn’t have to resort to these measures. They’d already have it all all fixed up, and done with, right? But they don’t!

 

Brizer: No they don’t.

 

Monika: Yeah, that’s my message of hope! It gives me a lot of hope! I think that if they were so, … Why were they so worried about me? Little old me!

 

Brizer: Yeah!

 

Monika: Like why were they worried about me?

 

Brizer: Yeah, some little lady in Jasper, Alberta playing her violin. She’s a threat to humanity, somehow? That is amazing isn’t it?

 

 

 

Monika: Yeah.

 

Brizer: That is crazy! A here’s little old me who’s worked most of my life, trying to take my house away. And I’m fighting back. I’m a threat. Because I talk to people who are of a like mind, or care about the country, I’m a “fascist”, a “neo-Nazi”! Whatever! But I don’t care! I don’t care about any of that. I just get on, talk to people about it. I used to be a little bit reticent a few years ago, but not anymore!

 

Monika: Yeah!

 

Brizer: Time for all of that has stopped! I speak out my mind. If you disagree with me, fine!

 

If you don’t want to listen to me, well go away then. Because I’m not going to talk to you if you don’t want to listen to me. But I’ll talk to people who want to listen to me. And there are people who are listening. There might be only one, or two, in a group of ten, but that is one, or two people. If somebody even listens to you a little bit, and gets a little bit of what you’re talking about, that’s a result!

 

Monika: Yeah. That’s great! Actually, having gone to jail for me, like I mean, I was already feeling quite free to speak oh before that. Like, as soon as that video [Sorry Mom] went out into the world, I felt freed up by that. Because okay, now I’ve broken the big taboo, now I can just talk freely! That was very liberating for me.

 

And then going to jail and then discovering that they do their verdict first anyway, and then they’ll put the show on afterwards, it also kind of gives a certain sense of freedom, ironically, you know?

 

Brizer: Yeah.

 

Monika: But it does. It frees you up, we’re free!

 

Brizer: Yes, you’re free! Because you don’t worry about anything anymore! You don’t worry about any of these labels, nothing! I don’t care about it any more. And I just get out now and just say, I speak my mind, and I don’t care what anybody, I don’t care about it really. I used to be like that:

 

“Oh! What will the neighbours think?”

 

That nonsense! Just say it! Speak your mind.

 

Monika: Exactly!

 

Brizer: It’s wonderful, let it go!

 

Monika: Yeah.

 

Brizer: Before we finish up Monika, how is Alfred doing? Have you been in touch with him? Any kind of communication with him?

 

Monika: Oh yeah. He writes just such excellent letters. So we’re writing letters. They take a long time to get back and forth. But, you know, he is such a positive person and in good spirits! Pretty much all the time. Although it was heartbreaking just after the trial was over, because suddenly he felt very, very alone there. But he got over that pretty quick. And then, he’s its just such a positive guy! And he’s got a job, and the job is not to get rich! He’s making about one euro twenty an hour in the job, in the laundry there. But the job gets him out of his cell and socializing with other people.

 

 

And he’s such a sociable character too, that I think he’s going to find that people just gravitate towards him and like him. He’s funny as get go! I mean, he has me in stitches so much, and the thing is [chuckling] I grew up with this guy, so I had the benefit of having that great sense of humor around me as we were growing up. And then during the trial too. Like once he was imprisoned, as well as me, and we’d be filed in and out of the court room from the basement dungeon’s waiting cells — because we’re in separate waiting cells always. Like, they wouldn’t allow us to be in the same waiting cell, because that means we might actually have, you know, conversation with each other.

 

But even the guards there, they got pretty friendly, and kind of turned a blind eye to us yakking the whole way down the halls and up the stairs, and all that. We were yakking, and just in stitches, laughing sometimes! I mean, his sense of humour is just terrific. And he always sees the silver lining of the cloud, in any situation. And we saw that before when they raided his home, and then he right away says:

 

“Okay, well yeah, thank you very much for that opportunity! I’ll make another video out of that!”

That type of thing. And he carries on in that vein, so it’s just wonderful. And I just want to stress to people that if you write letters, write cards, write whatever, just do it! It’s a really easy thing to do, but I know for younger people, they sometimes need instruction of how to do that! [laughing] You know, you just have to stick a piece of paper in an envelope, seal it, put a stamp in the right hand corner, go to the post office, get a stamp for the right amount, and address it, and send it off! And I mean, I know it sounds funny to be giving instructions, but I know for a lot of younger people they’ve never sent a letter in the snail mail letter system!

 

Brizer: Yeah, the old fashioned way of doing things. The old ways!

 

[120:27]

 

 

Monika: Yeah. [laughing]

 

Brizer: Well just put out the address. It’s coming go up for Christmas folks. And you still have time I’m sure. Send a Christmas card to Alfred. Just wish him a Merry Christmas, that’s all.

 

Just say you’re thinking about him and all the rest of it. That is all. It’s:

 

Alfred Schaefer
Stadelheim Prison
Stadelheimer Straße
81549 Munich,
Germany

[As of 2020]

Hindenburgring 12

86899 Landberg am Lech

Germany

 

 

And I’m sure he’d love to get them from all his supporters all around the world who know what he’s been doing, what he’s going through. It looks like he could be there for a while. Do you ever think he might get out early, on good behavior, or something like that?

 

Monika: Unfortunately they don’t, … Other prisoners, they could be violent criminals, they could be in there for whatever, they generally can be let out at two thirds, if they’re on good behavior, that kind of thing.

 

 

 

 

But not political prisoners! No! They kept Ernst Zundel, they kept him until the very last 5 years sentence, the maximum sentence. They don’t let political prisoners out one day early, ever! But he would get out earlier if, for example, the regime changes! That if the regime falls! And once again Alfred is optimistic that, that will happen. He’s in now for 3 years two months. But they have another court case coming up in January. Plus he’s still got this Dresden thing hanging over his head, that still hasn’t been dealt with, finished, for a speech he gave there in, I think it was in 2017.

 

There’s all these things, like they intend to keep them in there for a long, long, time. But hopefully that’s not going to be the case.

 

Brizer: We are praying for him. We have to put ir out there into the universe, all of us, to stop it, because this is pure injustice! There’s only one word for it. This is totally wrong! Totally wrong!

 

So, anyway Monika your last words please, to everybody. All I can say is, you’re a heroine! One day they will be naming streets in Germany for you, and Alfred, and others. Ernst Zundel, Robert Faurrison, and others who went before us.

 

Monika: Yeah.

 

Brizer: You know, we have to look to that day that we will get there. We have a big struggle ahead, there’s no doubt about that. But as long as we stand together, start talking to people about this, getting people to think, getting people’s heads out of mobile phones, and the TVs and all that nonsense, the mainstream media which is just filling their heads full of crap! Let’s get out there and do the ground! It’s up to us, as you have said. It’s up to us!

 

 

Monika: It is indeed! It is indeed! It is up to us. And thank you for those very kind words. And I also want to just thank you, and Graham Hart, for putting this together, and just for doing all the work you’re doing. It just is so important, and it is up to us! We can’t just wait and hope that:

 

“Oh it’s going to get better all on its own!”

 

Because it isn’t going to get better all on its own! We need to do the work! And it is not just a little game. Our very existence is at stake here! It is big. This is the big times!

 

Brizer: We are living in credibly “interesting times”, as the Chinese say. We are at a unique point in history, because this is probably the first time where a civilization is at risk here, the White race, the White people!

 

But we’ve got a small window of opportunity to turn this around. But as each day goes by, that window gets smaller.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

Brizer: And we have a corrupt, … We know what’s running the whole show at the top of the pyramid, but we know that. But we’ve got a corrupt government, corrupt officials, everybody, playing their part for the shekels. And we’ve got to pull them down first, and then well come after the others. Because then they will have nothing. They’ve got nothing else to stand on, have they? They’ve got nothing!

 

Monika: That’s right, because they suck their energy solely from us, or from the host. I mean, it is a parasitic relationship! They have used those words themselves. And we’re not just guessing this. It is that way, and we do need to regain our spirit, and regain our health. And part of that regaining of our health is from detoxifying ourselves of the lies and the deception. And what you said is so good, about unhooking from the television, and the mainstream. It is poison! It is poisoning our minds! Yes. And so we need to get healthy again and regain our spirits.

 

See: The Realist Report – Tanstaafl: The Jew As A Parasite — TRANSCRIPT

 

[125:40]

 

Brizer: Eating healthy and doing the healthy things to get our body strong, because if we’re not strong, in ourselves we can’t fight this. And that is another way they’re attacking us, is on the health front. GMOs and fluoride in the water, all this type of stuff. Vaccines, we know what they are doing.

 

Monika: Oh yes!

 

Brizer: And that is another form of genocide that they are pushing on us, you know what I mean?

 

Monika: Yes! They’re attacking us chemically as well. That’s right, that is a whole other topic.

 

Brizer: Another whole topic. Another whole show on it. They’re attacking us from every angle. And we’re kind of in a corner. But the one thing is, that there are more of us than there are of them. So the more of us that get together, … And it is growing, that’s why I’ll always kind of remain optimistic, even though I get very frustrated sometimes when I see it the apathy around me. But there are a lot of people, and I’ve met them, and it’s great to know that they are on my side. They’ll support me, I’ll support them! That’s what it’s all about. So there we go.

 

Monika: Yes! Thank you so much for having me on!

 

Brizer: Monika, absolute pleasure having you on. Thank you! You lost pretty much a year of your life there, but you’ve come out, you’ve put out a beautiful message there. You’re still just standing strong, not giving up. We’re all praying for Alfred and wishing him well. Let’s keep it going, guys! It’s up to us, as you said.

 

So Monika, thank you very much indeed! Wish you all the best for Christmas, and the New Year! May it be a lot better than the last one. Put it that way.

 

Monika: Thank you so much, and to you too! I wish you all the best! Thank, you very much. Bye, bye.

 

Brizer: We will call it a day. Monika, if you want to stay on for a little bit afterwards, no problem.

 

Monika: I certainly will. Yes.

 

Brizer: Hang in there. Folks, thanks very much for listening.

 

We’ll be back again next week, same time, not sure the guest. I think we could be having Max Igan on. But I’m not sure yet. But all going well, next week, same time we’ll be back, okay. So take care folks! And as usual we’re going to sign off with a great song!

 

“The Goyim Know!“

 

And by god the goyim do know! And it’s growing! Take care folks.

 

[Song lyrics]

https://lyricstranslate.com/en/unknown-Artist-english-goyim-know-lyrics.html

 

The Goyim Know.
Hey, ha Chaim.
(What?)
I think the goyim know.
(That’s ridiculous, the goyim don’t know!)
I think they know, there.
(They don’t know)
They know.

The goyim know, the goyim know.
They know all the things that we have done.
And now they’re telling everyone.

The goyim know.
The goyim know.

They know all the things we did back then.
And now we’re trying to do it again.
But the goyim know, the goyim know.

We wanna open the borders to their countries.
And fill them with diversity.
But the goyim know, the goyim know.

(SOLO)

The goyim know (the goyim know)
The goyim know (the goyim know)

We wanna turn the women into men.
And make the guys more feminine.
The goyim know (the goyim know)
The goyim know (the goyim know)

We wanna make the white man, feel guilty.
And put the black man all over the TV.
The goyim know (the goyim know)
The goyim know (the goyim know)

And soon they won’t want us around.
We’re gonna have to shut it down..

Cause the goyim know.
The goyim know.
The goyim know.
Cause the goyim know.
Cause the goyim know.

 

[130:58]

 

 

 

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See Also:

 

 

Brian Ruhe — Monika Schaefer’s First Public Appearance Since Imprisonment in Germany! Nov 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Brian Ruhe Show — Monika Schaefer – One Month in the “Free World”, Nov 26, 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

The Graham Hart Show — Brizer with Monika Schaefer, Dec 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

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[Henrik of Red Ice Radio interviews Canadian-German activist Alfred Schaefer on the situation surrounding his sister’s arrest on Jan 3 this year, in Germany, for making a video called “Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust“.

 

Part of the subversion of Whites has been achieved through the diabolical lie known as the “Holocaust” that is used by organized jewry as a “shield and sword” to draw attention away from its massive crimes against humanity, such as the instigation of the World Wars, 9/11, etc., while also instilling guilt and shame in Whites for their very existence.

 

Alfred is a tireless and impassioned “man on a mission” to alert all to the reality of our dire situation and the forces behind our looming racial and cultural destruction, if we fail to act! I would urge all readers to support Alfred in his work and to help him in exposing the Orwellian situation that his sister, Monika, finds herself in as a “thought criminal“, now locked up in a maximum security prison in Germany.

 

In Part 2 here (Part 1 is here), Henrik explains his thinking on how Red Ice should present such taboo topics as Revisionist material, and the role of organized jewry in our racial and cultural destruction, that Alfred discusses. Since Red Ice has a large and growing audience on YouTube, Henrik rightly concludes that despite wanting to get the truth out, they must avoid getting banned by YouTube by publishing certain material discussed here in the members section.

 

Alfred then talks about the use of “control words“, such as “extreme right wing“, “racist“, “anti-semitism“, etc., by our enemies to frame the debate in their favour. Organized jewry through its media domination have been relentless lying to us for the purpose of effectively genociding the White race through mass invasion of non-Whites, miscegenation and other means to drive the Whites into minority status.

 

He then talks about how the advert of digital technology has enable us to reclaim history and expose the lies that we have been feed. Despite the availability of the true history it is a traumatic process for most people to go through as they rid themselves of the lies that they have been brainwashed with all their lives. Alfred talks about how he overcame his fears to eventually come to conclude that Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest leaders that we have ever produced.

 

Henrik talks about how he has become “skeptical” about the so-called “Holocaust“, because of the many things that simply don’t add up, and as such is very interested to hear about what “Holocaust deniers” have to say. He goes on to say how the “Holocaust” is always talked about in an emotional way by the main stream media, leading him to conclude there is something “fishy” with the story.

 

Alfred goes on to explain how the people of the West have been, through psychological manipulation, reduced to the level of spiritual, emotional cripples, that have prevented them from resisting, so far, from being flooded with millions of the Third Word.

 

Henrik tells how that Red Ice has put everything on the line in talking about migration, the JQ, White genocide, etc., wherever the truth leads them. How jews like Barbara Spectre, Noel Ignatiev, Gregor Gysi, talk about the desirability of White population replacement.

 

Alfred describes how technological development has been used by jews to further their plans, for example with their control of Hollywood, the media, etc. The World Wars and what is happening now is the final phase of the “War of the jew” to dominate the world. And how our empathy, our jew induced feelings of guilt, pathological altruism, and so forth, is being used against us.

Much more is discussed, with Alfred and Henrik ending by urging listeners to write letters of support to Monika.

 

I would add that Monika’s imprisonment is a real expression of the war being waged against us and our freedom to exist. Her situation is symbolic of the repression that will only get far worst unless we stand up and fight back in any way we can, however small or large. So start sending cards and letters to Monika, and anything else towards helping her and our cause.

Write to Monika now, at:

 

Monika Schaefer
Stadelheim Prison
Schwarzenbergstr. 14
81549 München,
GERMANY

 

— KATANA.]

 

 

 

 

Red Ice TV

 

Alfred Schaefer

 

Thought Criminal

 

Monika Schaefer

 

Arrested and Imprisoned

 

in Germany

 

 

PART 2

 

 

 

 

 

Click here for the video:

 https://wir-sind-monika.com/2018/02/01/alfred-schaefer-red-ice-part-2/

 

Published on Jan 27, 2018

 

 

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 Alfred Schaefer is a German producer whose videos are aimed at exposing the propagandistic nature of the mainstream media. His videos outline how the hostile elite that are in control of much of Western Civilization have managed to subjugate entire populations and their political leadership through psychological conditioning.

 

Alfred Schaefer joins Henrik for a discussion about the consequences of challenging the accepted view of the Holocaust. The program begins with Alfred describing what it was like to grow up in Canada with German ancestry amid an accusatory climate of Holocaust remembrance. He describes his sister Monika’s newly found skepticism of the prevailing historical view of the Second World War and her subsequent video productions. Alfred recounts how Monika was arrested in Munich because of her videos that challenged the prevailing mainstream consensus concerning the Holocaust while attending the trial of Sylvia Stolz, a lawyer on trial for so-called Holocaust denial. Henrik and Alfred discuss with incredulity how pursuing historical inquiry can lead to criminal charges and imprisonment.

 

[Please support Red Ice by becoming a member. It’s only through paid membership that they can continue to do their work, and cover such controversial topics such as the Holohoax — KATANA]

 

In the members’ hour, Henrik and Alfred talk about the fractured nature of facts surrounding the nature of the Holocaust itself and the need for further research. The conversation then addresses the migrant crisis and how it constitutes a threat to Western civilization and how it can be viewed as a destructive companion phenomenon to Holocaust guilt and other Leftist propaganda. The conversation turns to the free fall of the mainstream media, how people crave alternative media sources, and the importance of outlets like Red Ice. Henrik speaks to the risk involved with pursing the truth about the migrant crisis, its origins, and underlying motivators. The discussion then turns to the seeming contradictions of population replacement.

 

Henrik and Alfred go on to discuss the severity of the current geopolitical situation as an existential crisis; the importance of pursuing moderate solutions to avoid widespread conflict; and much more.

 

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TRANSCRIPT

(64 mins)

 

 

 

[00:00]

 

 

Henrik: All right ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us here in the second segment at Red Ice Members dot com. We’re talking with Alfred Schaefer.

 

And I just want to take a moment and kind of explain a few things, not only about the topic, but kind of about the way that we have to think about how we address these kinds of topics now, as well. The first thing is, of course, that we were mentioned, Red Ice TV was mentioned by name in the British Parliament. It was a couple of weeks ago now, by a lady who brought us up, we’re in the record of the UK parliament right now in reference to, I think there had a discussion about hate and violence and how people turn to terrorism and stuff like that. And we came up as a horrible right-wing example of a channel that should be censored! And this lady [Yvette Cooper], I forget her name, now even. She was literally calling, she was sitting there with a representative from Google and talking about us specifically how, you know:

 

“What do we need to do to make you censor these kinds of channels? ”

 

And not only since that point, but around that point, we realized that okay, what we have here with the YouTube channel, I think we just broke 170,000 subscribers recently. So it’s a good, you know, it’s a good platform. It’s a good way to get the message out. And just to be frank with everyone, I also feel at the same time that I know that certain topics are just a “third rail”! I know that they would lead to censorship. Part of me feels, I don’t want to hand their reasoning to them, or the way that they just can basically say, “Okay, let’s censor it! ” Because they’re talking about these “nonsense” topics.

 

 

We don’t have to, you know, we know that they’re not. We personally and I personally, as we heard tonight, we’re open to everything. We consider that our audience should have an open mind. And even if it’s a topic that you don’t agree with, if you’re a newcomer, if you don’t know what we’ve talked about in the past on the show. Whatever it might be, we hope that you’re in a position where you. Where you hear our guests out and you hear us out and give us the benefit of the doubt. And even if you think differently, you know, there’s no reason why you should hate all the other material that we do. You would just come to a point where we disagree. So that’s fine, but, what I’m getting at is, that I feel this urge, I want to talk about certain things, I especially want to talk about the things that you’re not supposed to talk about! Like this topic we’re addressing here with Alfred today.

 

At the same time that’s why I feel reprehensible these days, to full on go on a path especially in the first hour, because that will go up on our YouTube channel. It will be available for free and that’s where kind of feel, I think we should have an approach where we basically save some of the more controversial material, shall we say, for the second segment., because that’s our platform, we control that. There we can discuss whatever we want to. And that’s also kind of partially why I don’t want to just go fully overboard in the first segment., because YouTube will censor us and if we can limit that ability, I think that’s a smart strategy.

 

[03:01]

 

I think it’s better to reach out with, I don’t know twenty-five, or fifty percent of the material that we have, then not reaching anyone at all., because we’re going to be at censored. So that’s one of the reasons why I didn’t pick up on certain things that Alfred mentioned in the first segment when he talks about historical events and things like this. I kind of, I just feel, you know, let’s leave it a bit later and we will go into the details. And if people really want to get into the knowledge of this, they can check our archives. They can listen to the second hour and they’ll get kind of the full spectrum of the things that we discuss.

 

And again, just briefly on this, there are some people, when it comes to this topic, that are more effectual than others. There are some that are better when it comes to the history and stuff like that. I have a very open mind about this topic and I frankly don’t know all the intricacies, and the ins and outs, of this historical event. There’s many many, you know, revisionists or, historical truth seekers that are far more pertinent on this topic than me.

 

But I love listening to these guys, no matter how out of left field it may seem. I want to get to the truth and I’m willing to give the people a platform, that talk about this, that DARE talk about this! And that also ends up in trouble for talking about this. I think it’s a incredibly important and if we can offer, you know, something we here at Red Ice that is completely, … We’re not original I know that there’s other people talking about it, but I’m saying, you know, in the size that we have of the YouTube platform and stuff like that, if we can offer people, or be a vehicle to help to get some of that message out, I want to! I want to be there as a free speech kind of platform, that actually focuses on these kinds of things that you’re not supposed to talk about.

 

There’s many parts to this, and it’s a very dynamic situation. So on one hand you have to be careful of how you cover it. You have to be smart, how you cover it. And you don’t have to be reckless. And I know that some people out there they want me to go full force and talk about these issues all the time, and this, and that. And I just don’t think it’s smart to do that. I think we just shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

So, you know, I’m all aboard of speaking about these issues, but I want people out there to understand that we have to be, you know, kind of smart about this too. So, I think that’s kind of encapsulates what I want to say about this. I could go on for a long time.

 

But Alfred, let’s focus back on you here now and talk more about this., because I want to hear about this. I want you to be in a position to be able to share what you think our audience should know about this historical event. What components of this is important and I also want to again urge people that you might not agree with Alfred.

 

You might be a newcomer, you don’t know about this topic, or never really maybe cared about it that much, or your convinced of one way, or another. But just hear Alfred. Hear our other guests out that talk about this and see what conclusions you come to. See if there’s anything to it, because I think this is a vastly important topic, for the reasons that we mentioned Alfred. That, you know, they’ve hinged so many other components on this, in terms of the guilt and like, this is the reason why we must become multi-cultural. This is the reason why we have to accept all these people into our countries. That’s why we can’t have a country which is comprised of our own people as a majority, and stuff like this.

 

[06:27]

 

So it is a focal point, a node point, in their kind of matrix, if you will, of how they managed to keep us trapped and encapsulated. But how would you, … Assume that we’re talking with someone who is new to the topic and who might even be upset with you, at this point at the things that you have mentioned? What would you like to say to them, and how do you think is the best way to get them into the mindset of how the should relate to this.

 

Alfred: Well let’s just start with what you said before. That you are mentioned in the UK parliament there. And they said, “extreme right-wing”. Well I tell you what, I’d rather be extreme “right wing” then extreme “wrong wing”! And in our language, and so much of what they’ve done to us is with the words. They use the words and make us associate certain emotions with words, and thereby controlling us, until we are actually upside down in our thinking.

 

Now they have made us believe that to be “right” is very bad, but I’d rather be right than wrong. And in German, in fact, they use the word “left”, also means, if you got “left”, it means you got cheated. And all these jews, these communists, basically are turning everything “left”! Which means they’re cheating, they’re inverting it. You can turn a shirt “inside out”, in German you say, “Links abbiegen” which means “turned left”.

 

I want to use that word, because that’s just one example of how they do it with all the words, all the words. They define people as “Holocaust” deniers! They define everything they don’t want to hear as “hate speech”. Now, as long as we bow and bend to these kinds of intimidations then there is no stopping. They will keep driving us further down the road they want to drive us down. And that’s why my position on this is, I guess some people would call it reckless, but I say I will not adhere to any of these thought laws!

 

And also, if you ever deal with a psychopath, you will know that the psychopath will have a hysterical reaction whether you do a tiny little deviation from what he wants you to do, or if you just, you know, destroy the whole thing.

 

So that’s why I say, I notice it too, the people that go to prison here in Germany. Some people go to prison, because they gave three pieces of paper to two people. Well I say if you go to prison for giving three pieces of paper to two people, you might as well go to jail for giving a million pieces of paper to a million people! You see, because you might as well, the punishment is going to be the same. It’s arbitrary.

 

[09:06]

 

So that’s one thing, we have to understand what we’re up against and regain our independence in thought and spirit, and we do not have to bow to anybody! Especially not somebody who we know is lying to us on a scale that is beyond most people’s comprehension. And that’s what it is with the jews, as a collective. They have amassed so many lies, that they know that when these lies collapse, that they will be chased out of town and there will not be a jew left alive! , because the people, they don’t have to worry about us, you know, you, or me, we have had time to incrementally come to terms with the frustration and the anger. So we’ve got control of ourselves.

 

But what about all those people, when they understand just what’s been done to them? Especially now that the big picture, the big plan is, in fact, the extermination of the White race by mass miscegenation and by genocide. And that’s a reality that will catch up to us, no matter how we try to put her head in the sand, or cover our eyes and not look at it. When your house is being invaded by the hordes on the street, then there is no more hiding! They will kill you!

 

And the Germans, the heart of Europe, they went through so much horrible, unspeakable suffering, and now the very descendants of these people that survived that genocide, are on their knees paying the perpetrator for some “Holocaust” which never ever happened! In fact, the jews themselves came out of that conflict, that we call the Second World War better than any other race.

 

See they did it, just like 9/11, they got the “jew call”. The jews, they always set the stage. Once they know the fighting is going to begin they get the hell out of there. And all those jews left and got the hell out of there, those are the ones that later claimed “Holocaust” restitution, because they are survivors. Now if you took, how many jews there were even though they were the enemy of the Germans, they still fared better than the Germans! If you look at how many were there, how they, you know, percent wise got out of that, made it through, they did very well! Just like 9/11.

 

9/11, I think three jews that died, although there was hundreds of jews that worked in those complexes, but they all stayed home that day. Just like they all stayed home, or they all went on vacation and left those cities that were then fire bombed in Germany. And so many jews, they left and then afterwards they claimed “Holocaust survivor”!

 

[12:03]

 

So that’s reality. I mean, they’ve been so, so, so, successful I think it’s even blown their own minds how successful they’ve been. And this success however, has deluded their minds to think it can continue going on that way forever. And now, of course, comes the day of reckoning. Digital technology and our ability to think, and our ability, as people from everywhere figure out what happened in our history, putting all the stuff together out of that what was supposed to be forgotten and erased.

 

Well, digital technology has enabled us to actually bring the stuff back to the surface, put the pieces together. And now we’re putting the big picture together. And the jew, there is no escape. The jew will not, the jews dream is to have a thousand years of, you know, world domination. Well it’s coming to it’s end, probably this year. And that’s why I say that the sooner everybody comes on board and understands this, the better it is., because it is traumatizing, and you cannot erase the emotions of the programs out of your head.

 

Even if, you know, okay, it’s a lie, you know, this is what the truth is. Until you really have your mind back under your control with the truth and the proper emotions, it’s a traumatic process that can take a long time.

 

And I know, even myself, not just a couple of years ago, I still had to really overcome fears of looking at things like, “The Greatest Story Never Told” by Dennis Wise, for example. I remember the emotions, we had to pull down the blinds before we look at that, somebody might see us. And to go from understanding that Adolf Hitler was not a villain, but probably one of the greatest Europeans, one of the greatest people the Europeans have ever brought forth! On the same scale as the greatest heroes that we’ve ever had in the past. Whether it’s Caesar, or whether it’s, you know, Napoleon, whoever these people are. Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest leaders that we have ever produced!

 

Henrik: So let me pick up on something you mentioned earlier. Again in terms of the labels and this kind of stuff, “Holocaust” denier, for example. I think the articles out there about, you know, me, Red Ice, whatever. I think that’s usually one thing that’s kind of mentioned right away. As a way to immediately discredit! Like here is a untrustworthy, stupid, moronic organization! You know, they once talked about the “Holocaust”, or that it didn’t happen, or whatever.

 

So that is kind of bandied around a lot, you know, Henrik is a “Holocaust” denier! [laughing] Because I’ve had people on the show that don’t believe in the story, in the mainstream story. And it’s also, because I’ve had them on the show and I don’t treat them the way that let’s say, you know, because Fox, or CNN, as media outlets, they can talk about the subject, but you have to have the right relationship to the guest. You have to clearly demonstrate that you’re an opposition to them! And you’re resentful, and almost hateful towards them. Then it’s okay. Then you can touch on it.

 

[15:06]

 

You can’t invite people on the show that you, and again, it doesn’t matter if I agree, or disagree, it’s a crime that I can’t invite people to the show, and ask them questions about what they believe, and give them a platform to share their opinions. That is a crime in itself, right?

 

So now, I become a “Holocaust” denier. I haven’t even, I don’t have all the facts about the event. I frankly I don’t know who does. I think there’s enough information to know that something is kind of weird with the bits and pieces that we have been given. And something is, I think there’s enough information to demonstrate that it’s not as they claim that it was.

 

That’s kind of, and frankly in the most honest way I can explain, what I think about the event., because I know that there’s an incredibly muddy, the waters is so muddy around it historically. And the few bits and pieces we managed to extract, Alfred, we’ve been able to see that it’s like, well, how the hell do you piece the math together here?

 

One thing I really like about many of the videos out there that talk about this subject, and the mechanics, if you will, of the event itself, it’s a very, you know, for those that are not familiar with it, it’s a very gruesome way that it’s done., because it’s done in a very cold and scientific way. And that’s also a give away, I feel., because we never get to that level of inquiry in the mainstream. It’s always emotions first, right!

 

Every time you talk about this, it’s about, you know, a little girl’s experience, and they get you in that mindset right away, where were you not allowed to just, well wait a moment, let’s not talk about the emotions first! Let’s just zoom out and let’s talk about what actually happened. How did it come together? What do they say that it is, right? In these videos that look at the, for example, the number of bodies that have been taken into the chambers where they were undressed, and so forth. And then, you know, the gas was disseminated and then they transported the bodies up and out through this little kind of small elevator, up to where the crematories are, and stuff like that.

 

You know, what I’m talking about. Those kinds of videos that really going to the nitty-gritty detail. That’s were I think the key is, because it shows scientifically and mathematically that this is a very different. It would have been very different to, what should we say, dispose of that many bodies that they claim, for example.

 

So from my point of view I think it’s a numbers game. I look at it, and it seems mathematically and scientifically, that what they say to us, that’s an impossibility! And the fact that we’re not allowed to talk about that, or the fact that they have to kind of show this emotional thing first, and avoid the science of it. That’s a dead giveaway to me! So, just from the point of view, I just like, you know, I don’t know what the hell happened! [laughing] And I don’t have all the details. But something is fishy with the story. That’s where I’m at. What do you feel about this?

 

[17:55]

 

Alfred: Well like you said, it’s all emotions and no science. And when you said before, that if you are one of these main stream media, or jew stream media, they can only get on there if you bend to their nonsense. And yet they will scream at, they will denounce someone as being a “Holocaust” denier with such hysterical emotion. And people have no self self-esteem anymore, because they are demoralized, there are people who don’t even know which gender they are, don’t have any self-esteem.

 

And they will scream from one corner to the next, like a little dog, or like a little rat with emotional hysteria. Not even turning their brain on to just think, well what is actually the reality? They are so incapable. See, the danger that we have right now is that a population, when our entire population, has been reduced to this level as spiritual, emotional cripples. Total cripples! We in no way, shape, or form, be ready for the reality that we have to deal with, which is survival in an environment that is going to radically become more hostile to us. When we are being flooded by basically, well, millions of Third World, they call them migrants, hey these is the very worst thing that we could possibly allow to happen.

 

Because here we are, our children that are now confused about their gender, that have nothing, but their feelings as their main focal point, are now going to have to live, survive, in a world that is being flooded by millions of hostile young men, primarily, from Third World countries. This is a recipe for total, absolute disaster! And for people to bow to emotional tyranny, “Holocaust denier”! If anybody called me a “Holocaust” denier I’d say:

 

“Well, I’m just glad you didn’t insult me as being a “Holocaust believer! ”

 

When everybody knows that it’s a lie. Another thing you have to remember, Henrik, is that the mainstream media is falling at free fall speed!

 

Henrik: Yep, yep.

 

Alfred: About as fast as those three towers on 9/11 fell! Nobody looks at them anymore, nobody takes it seriously. And people are going to Red Ice and similar stations, you probably have one of the best sources around. That’s why they attacked you. That’s why they took you down and destroyed you in a very professional way. And I’m just so glad you guys came back up again. And don’t underestimate the importance of your work, and the responsibility that you carry to help to understand the reality that’s out there., because people are revolted by the mainstream media! They are revolted by our politicians. And they are craving for someone like your platform. Lana, what you guys are doing is just superb!

 

[21:14]

 

Henrik: Thank you.

 

Alfred: I just want to say that now. And I cannot say enough how much I appreciate that. And I’ll tell you, there’s a lot of people out there, that have the same sentiments I do, that I’m expressing to you now. But they don’t tell you. But it’s out there. So don’t underestimate the importance of what you’re doing and, you know, stay strong! Stay safe!

 

Henrik: Thank you. Yeah, and I mean, exactly. And we could have been in a situation where we just didn’t talk about these issues, or didn’t go in this direction, but as many people know, who’s been with us for a long time, I’ve always just been a “Truth Seeker”. That’s what it’s been about! And, of course, about philosophy, philosophical topics, and kind of getting to the nature of reality and these kinds of things as well.

 

But when I started waking up to, you know, specifically the migrant invasion and what happened to Sweden, to my own country, back in, for a serious way, back in 2013, 14, something like that. I knew about it before hand, I had done some shows on like Barbara Spectre, you know, on these kinds of issues that have had risen up at that point. But it wasn’t the only thing after that point, when I researched some of the history and got really just engaged in the ancient culture of my country, that I felt for the first time that something is being lost! Something incredibly unique and important to me, and my identity, is being lost. And I realized that I had to fight for that!

 

And I put everything that Red Ice does, really on the line, because we ventured into an area where even most truth seekers never tread, right? They don’t dare! They don’t want to! They disagree politically and all these kinds of things and it’s just too much. We took an immense risk by going into that area. Talking about migration, talking about the JQ [Jewish Question]. And, you know, who is behind things, and why they’re doing it to us. What their ultimate goal is. Talking about White genocide, population replacement, and these kinds of issues.

 

[23:10]

 

 

But again, my stance has always been we have to go where the truth leads us. It’s an observable reality of what is happening in Europe and America right now. And that’s what I want to talk about. And we have to go in that direction. So I appreciate, you know, you mentioning that, because we could have, I would never have done it, but I’m saying for the sake of it, we could have just kind of avoided that and continue on the path as usual. But I feel that wouldn’t have been the responsible thing to do. Wouldn’t have been the right thing to do, and I would have been lying to myself. And I just I couldn’t do that. So thanks for mentioning that.

 

Alfred: Another very important thing that anybody working in trying to understand the truth has to have the strength, the character strength to also admit that we believed in lies!

 

Henrik: Exactly!

 

Alfred: You see I admit I believed a lot of nonsense and made bad decisions based on the nonsense. I was myself was demoralized and allowed myself to be distracted, because I was so demoralized. And I’m just so grateful that I was able to come to the point where we find ourselves today, and to come out of that condition., because once you come out and once you understand the truthful things, you know, you look at people that choose to remain in the comfortable way, or that they think is comfortable. Sit on the couch and watch TV and believe the lies. They become insignificant. There’s no content in their lives, they’re just nothing!

 

When this system collapses and those people who understand the truth will be obliged to be leaders of the hundreds, or thousands, of other people, because these zombies will need leadership! They are not even capable of anything anymore. And that’s why it’s important that we just articulate the findings, the conclusions that we come to based on evidence, and so forth, in a way that other people find motivation and interest in understanding it. To come to our side, because the zombies, as long as they believe these lies, and as long as they still emotionally react to these control trigger words, they are not really functioning human beings! Our ancestors would be abhorred, if they saw how people today allow themselves to be driven basically with words! Simple words, that are hysterically projected on them in an emotional way.

 

I mean, you see the pictures you’re showing right now, I mean, these people coming in they’re filled in their minds with completely different programs than we have been filled with.

 

Henrik: Yeah.

 

Alfred: We have been filled with programs that make us submissive and “tolerant” and we have no self-confidence, no nothing. They [invaders] come in here with a sense of entitlement! And they want something, they were promised all kinds of things. And a lot of these people coming in, they paid their family savings to some smuggler of people, to come to get the house, and the woman, and the car, that was promised! And when they don’t get it, they get angry, and they’ll just go and get it!

 

That’s what they do. The Talmudic jews, they program people and bring them together and then they make them go at each others throats. And then they try to come and say:

 

“Oh, we’ll be the referee and we’ll get this all sorted out again! ”

 

And it is a turmoil! It is a disaster! We have to regain our independence, our territorial independence, our spiritual independence, our souls, our history! We have to find our identity and it is our obligation.

 

Henrik: Tell us why you think it’s done in this way., because that would seem as a contradiction. We’ve been over this many times on the show, but again we’re talking about this from the from a point of view of having the newcomer in mind, and that’s why it’s important to go over things, over, and over again.

 

[27:07]

 

 

And so, you would think, … Let’s take the city of Malmo, for example, in Sweden. Where many of the jews in Malmo have been willing, or they’ve been kind of driven out, actually, to a certain extent. They’ve left, because there are so many Muslims that are coming in and controlling large sections of those areas, that they are no longer safe. They can’t walk around with their yamakas [yarmulkes (pronounced “yamakas”, a Yiddish word taken from the Polish word for skullcap)], or kippa, whatever it is, in the street. They can’t be visible about who they are. And then you have people like Barbara Spectre. It’s a perfect reference, because it shows someone for the first time, someone [a jew] really openly talking about it.

 

There’s many others too that we’ve referenced like Annahecker Harnee[sp], Noel Ignatiev, there is people in Germany, like Gregor Gysi that’s talking about this. Many politicians too, in Germany talking about the replacement, basically. And that Europe has to become multi-cultural.

 

But tell us about that seeming contradiction that if they bring in lots of Muslims into Europe, then those jewish populations that are in Europe, are going to be targeted themselves. At least those on the street level, maybe not the elite ones, you know, that are owning banks and media corporations and stuff like this. But why is it beneficial for them to do that, when you think, initially, that would be something that hurts their own people?

 

Alfred: If you see this all in the context of the big picture. I’m talking about from the biological point of view. And when I say a biological perspective, I say that looking at us as the White race, the European peoples, and the onslaught of the jew, as a parasite, on the White race to eradicate, or weaken the White race, to the point of not being a hindrance to the jews quest for world domination.

 

Now the jew, as a parasite, will never be able to dominate a functioning planet, but these invaders are an instrument used to destroy us! To breed us down, and basically destroy us. But that is the mind of the psychopathic parasite. This strategy may have worked as long as the jew was going from one European tribe to the next, when one was destroyed it could just sort of slither out the back door before it completely collapsed and go to the next host and start all over there. And this was so successful.

 

[29:45]

 

 

Then the technological revolution was somehow very conducive to this behavior. Let’s look at it in the United States and the film industry, and Hollywood, and so forth. Now the jews never invented anything at all. They just took everything over after we invented it. Look at Thomas Edison. Well, he might have invented the movie cameras and stuff like that, but the jews seemed to have taken over Hollywood and got total control of it. As well as all the media, and everything else. They don’t invent, or create! They just infiltrate and take over, and then use it for their devious purposes. Their business model basically is, now that we have kvetched and sucked as much out of these European peoples as we can, we are so close to world domination, now we have to get rid of them, before they figure it out and retaliate with the retribution that’s coming coming down their way. And that’s the situation we have.

 

So it’s really the final showdown — them, or us! And everything they have done so far, has brought us to this point — them, or us!

 

Now they want to exterminate us, well if we reverse that one hundred eighty degrees, then we have to exterminate them! And they’re trying to prevent that with “thought laws”! That we cannot even express this natural biological response that is necessary for us to survive. They’re trying to make it illegal! And that’s not going to work, you see, because this is a biological thing, and the jew knows it. And the more draconian that they come with their pathetic thought laws, people don’t let themselves be driven by that anymore, except the zombies.

 

But the zombies, they all have to be put down. I mean, I know it sounds really cruel for a moment. But if you have a dog at home and you have conditioned this dog to just bite any blonde person that comes along, for whatever reason. Now you decide that wasn’t a good idea, I want to deprogram the dog. Well if you cannot, if you’re not able to deprogram the dog what are you going to do? You will put it down as a sick dog.

 

Now, I don’t want to talk about our people as being sick dogs, but if we have people that prefer to keep the programs that they have been programmed with, through the psychological warfare that they have been indoctrinated with. If they choose to continue running on these programs, they are not a functioning human being. They are, in fact, standing in the way, serving as our enemies! And the jews even gloat about the fact that they will get the “goyim” to be instruments of their own destruction!

 

And these people, these lefties, these communists, our people who throw us in jail, who come and steal my computers, for example, these are our people! And they have been conditioned to do that, and they have to understand — that’s what I told them when they were here just yesterday morning. I said:

 

“You guys will all be held to account, and I hope you guys have some pretty good reasons figured out, because it’s not far away. We know your names, we have your faces. Lists are being compiled. And you need to understand what treason is, and you need to understand what theft is! So you figure it out. You’ve got to live with it! ”

 

I’d rather go to jail. I told them I would rather be dead than doing what you are doing now, stealing my computers!

 

This is a final battle between the lie, and deceit, and deception, and our survival! And by God we’ve got to get this right! And we are going to get this right. I know we’re going to get it, right!

 

[33:23]

 

Henrik: All right, a couple of couple of things there, Alfred. Okay, so the first one I feel it’s important to touch on is, of course, the severity of the situation, and explaining that there is a conflict. It’s very difficult to explain to someone who doesn’t see the on-goings of the world as an existential battle. It’s very easy, I think, for people to be at a point where, … I don’t know what to call it. Like we made it, right? There’s no war, no major wars, no world wars anymore at least. You know, largely in the West, where we’re safe, it’s fine with it’s prosperity somewhat. I know things are bring degraded slowly. But overall, if you just kind of go along to get along, watch the TV, you have access to your cheap calories, as it were. It would seemingly be, “everything’s okay” right?

 

But what people don’t understand, is that underneath all this, including what the globalists are up to, and stuff like that, there is an intense battle going on for the future of this planet! Of both ownership and control, and who’s going to run things, and stuff like that. And we have to try to explain to people that it’s like no! There are people out there that see you as an existential threat, and they want to control you, or manage you, or replace you, or whatever the situation might be for that individual group.

 

But there’s people meddling. And it’s at a such a point now when we look at the migrant invasion, and stuff like that. And some of the comments we have from people themselves, that are openly talking about population replacement, and that this is about swamping Europe. We have to get to a point where we realize that it is existential. It is a battle for survival!

 

Most Europeans are not at that position yet, because we don’t see it that clearly. It’s still somewhat behind closed doors. It’s only the people there really are looking at the stuff, that are finding the quotes, they’re keeping up with the news and stuff like that. And that’s frankly too much for most normies out there! They go along to get along. They don’t understand that this is a battle.

 

So what you’re talking about, when you talk about this intense struggle that’s going on between these different groups, I think is very difficult for them to wrap their heads around it. And I also think, that they think, that it is dangerous — and partially I would agree with them — to, for example, group everyone together as a unit in certain situations. There’s always people who are going to break that mold. There’s other people from the group that will talk against what the group is doing and stuff like that.

 

[36:02]

 

So I see the danger in that. But I believe, and correct me if I’m wrong, but when you were talking about the jewish group, you’re talking about primarily the “organized”, those who have organized efforts? I mean, there are people like Gilad Atzmon, who is jewish, but he talks about the kind of things that we talk about. I certainly have no need to go after him, or some of the people that are on our side, who don’t have a problem with us, right? [laughing] So there is some clarification that I think could be made for the newcomer there. That is not only about grouping people together, but you’re talking about those who are actively, as an interest group, engaged in replacing us, or bringing in migrants, or openly talking about the kind of things that are, frankly, should be a crime against humanity. But how do you see this, and how do we explain it to people?

 

Henrik: Good. First of all, those people who think everything is fine, there’s no war. No! There’s a war going on right now. We are now in the final phase of the “War of the jew” to dominate this world. And you have to see what we call “World War One” and “World War Two” in this context. And they needed this period of time to get us in the position that we’re in right now. And see, a lot of the jews themselves are also victims of this insanity. But they are acting as a group. And that’s why I say that jews need to understand that they are being coerced, or led, acting as a group. And as such, they will be dealt with as a group, when this healing process begins.

 

They are, I’ve often said, those at the top, those top jews actually hate their own people more than they hate us. They are so extremely self-centered and selfish, that they will risk using their own people as a human shield for when the inevitable retribution comes. And they don’t care! And those jews that haven’t personally done anything wrong, they’re just living their lives, they haven’t lied and cheated, like most jews do.

 

I’m sure there’s some out there that are innocent. Now these jews, … This is a time for them to come out and start to, for example, help get Monika out of prison, okay? This is something they can really put themselves on record as having done, which they will benefit from, when this lie goes over. They can say:

 

“Look! Here’s my accountable evidence that I tried to fight for the truth.”

 

Any jew that attacks us for being “Holocaust” deniers is guilty! And see, this is where even Gilad Aztmon, unfortunately, very recently, he used to claim he’s an “ex-jew”, but he still had so much jewishness in him, that he actually talked about the “Holocaust” as if it were real!

 

[38:57]

 

Any mention of the “Holocaust” without qualifying it, for the fraud and lie that it is, is making a person guilty! The “Holocaust” and anybody who tries to hold that up, is guilty! That’s as simple as I can put it. I mean, I’m not going to be the judge where this thing goes down. The people in the world are going to be judging it. And I’m just saying, I’m doing everything I can. We are trying to resolve this peacefully! And peacefully means we have to face the facts, no matter what they are! We need to, don’t ignore 9/11, because jews did 9/11, and we don’t want to talk about it!

 

You know, I notice they’re talking more, a lot about USS Liberty now. But we need to talk about 9/11! We need to talk about Israel! We need to talk about the entire agenda that is being played out against us! Okay? , because the biological response is coming! And that’s what we are witnessing now. If you outlaw bad weather, and I’m the weatherman, and I predict bad weather, what are you going to do? Shoot me, because I’m predicting a storm?

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Alfred: We’ve got the set up for a perfect storm. We are facing the perfect storm! And we have to prepare ourselves for that. So those people who are sitting on the couch thinking it’s all nice and quiet, … I crossed the Atlantic on a sailboat a number of times, and before a bad storm, it can be really nice on deck. But if you don’t get ready for it, with your sails, with just everything you have to do it, you will not survive the storm!

 

We are coming into a storm and when we have masses of people that do not belong to us in our cities, and our infrastructure breaks down, we will have to deal with these people! And dealing with them will not be pretty! , because them going around taking what they want, is not the solution. It’s going to be, too many people on limited territory, with even more limited resources, and this used to be our territory! It used to be our civilisation!

 

And now we have our young people, they don’t even know which gender they are! Now do you understand what I’m getting at?

 

Henrik: Sure.

 

Alfred: Now they’re not confused about their gender, because that’s natural, that did not come, you know, as a natural organic kind of development. That came, because they were indoctrinated that way, by the jews! Not by us! By the jews! And that’s something that is a fact. And nobody can dispute that fact. So that’s what we’re facing so, you know, that’s what I think.

 

Henrik: Yeah, I think what you said there too is an important point. And I’ve heard others, frame it in that way too. And I believe that there’s something to that. That basically the conditions that have been created, this powder keg condition really, that has been created, is something that people need to be aware of that it’s going to blow up! I’m with you on that page too. I think that if things can be solved peacefully, they should be. They should be addressed and tackled before it gets to that point.

 

But that’s where most people decide to look away. And they say:

 

“No, it’s too difficult, it is too painful”, or “I don’t want to be called a racist for opposing migration.”

 

Or whatever, despite the fact that they can see with their own eyes and experience in the real world, that things are getting worse in their own country. They’re being sidelined by their own government. Other people are being favored, before them, etc. Like, it’s their duty to save others and take care of others before their own people.

 

[42:31]

 

So, what you’re saying, and what I’ve heard other people say too, is that there’s an awful lot of anger and resentment, because of that. That’s building up, right? That eventually, down the line, if it gets that far, we don’t know where this is going to go. We don’t know if, let’s say the Europeans start fighting back, right? And all of a sudden it turns into, all of Europe turns into a Bosnia, or Kosovo, or something like that, right?

 

Let’s assume the rest of the world descends on Europe, and like, cleans it, cleans it out! , because we dared to fight back, against people that are trying to invade our lands. And once they’ve turned really hostile in an open level towards us, or something like that, who knows where this is going to go.

 

But my point is, it should be resolved at this point. It should be addressed at this point, before it gets too far., because when people are realizing what has happened, they are probably going to ask questions:

 

“Well, how did this happen? And who did this? ”

 

And these kinds of things, right? So that’s an important step, Alfred, in the process of just recognizing that isn’t it better to try to tackle and address these things now? And to try to prevent just the reaction of anger, and violence, and resentment, to bloom in the world! , because that’s when it really is going to start getting ugly, and you’re not going to be able to straighten anything out at that point.

 

You are not going to be able to make, you know, up, or down of anything, at that point. It’s just the going to be utter chaos! And I don’t want to see that! I know my lot of people don’t want to see that, either! So that’s why we have to address it. We have to be honest about what is going on. Why it’s happening. Who’s doing it [laughing] and try to straighten it out politically! And with political will, because I still think there is time to do that. We’re not a minority yet, in most of our countries. It’s heading that way.

 

Wait another five, ten years in some countries, and it’s going to start heading in that way. But there’s still time. But it’s an incredibly difficult situation, because when these things have happened historically, if we’re honest about this and look at, you know, World Wars and conflicts on this level, and this scale, there’s always people who don’t deserve something, that have been squeezed in this situation. And they have taken the brunt end of what other people have done. And it’s kind of a messy situation, if, you know, what I mean.

 

[44:48]

 

Alfred: Absolutely! And going back to what you were saying before. Our empathy, or our bad feelings, or our guilt, and so forth, our pathological altruism is being used so against us. And part of the solution is overcoming these words that are triggering unhealthy responses, for example, “racist”, or “anti-semitism”. These are weaponized words that should be called out, as “marked cards” in a card game that we’re playing.

 

Anytime this word comes, stop it in it’s tracks and do never, ever, apologize! , because these are marked cards. If you’re playing a card game, and it’s about life and death, it’s about your future and your existence, and then sometime deep into the game, you realize you are being dealt marked cards, what do you do? I would call these cards out on the spot! And say:

 

“That is a marked card! And explain that one to me! ”

 

So when somebody says:

 

“Oh! If you do that, you’re a racist! ”

 

I say:

 

“Pardon me. What are you talking about? What do you mean? Are you telling me that there is no difference between a race horse and a plow horse? Are you telling me, I am a race conservationist? ”

 

I want to conserve the races for what they are. They’re very different and that’s good. I am for multi-culturalism, and if we just sort of mix them all together, it’s a little bit like if I took your body, Henrik. Your bones are too White and hard, your brain is too gray and gooey, your liver is too brown and gooey, so I’m going to put you through the blender. Now I’ve got you multi-culturalized, but you’re very dead! That’s what this multiculturalism is with these people coming in, these hordes is going to do to us.

 

And remember, it was the Europeans that are responsible for well over ninety percent of all technological inventions, that make our life what we know it today. And I’m not talking just about these inventions, I’m talking about music, and all these other things. And if we don’t keep this continent exclusively European, all that will be gone!

 

I mean, our ancestors would never have achieved what they achieved, because they allowed the hordes out of Africa, or Asia to overwhelm them, because it was a good place to have a free lunch. You see, all these people coming and now, they’re coming here, because it’s a free lunch! They are actually people that are turning their backs on their own people, for a free lunch, at the cost of the Europeans!

 

Now when you see a city like Malmo, or something, and there’s no Swedes left in there anymore, but all kinds of, there’s Muslims all over the place wearing hijabs, and so forth. Hey! That’s a colonization! They have colonized you! Now when your forefathers, the Vikings, I mean, they would roll over it disgust and shame, when they see what’s happened to their offspring! Their little boys are not even sure that they’re boys anymore! That, you know, that they think that this is a joke, or something! It’s not a joke, this is survival!

 

Henrik: Yeah, and it is.

 

[47:42]

 

Alfred: And we do not have to, we are not obliged to feel sorry for any of these people. They have their homes! Ask them, why do you turn your back on your own people!

 

Henrik: Exactly!

 

Alfred: You’ve something here? Then go back home! You’ve got your place. This is ours! And if you don’t understand what that means? Well see what happens to you if you stick around., because I’ll tell you, if you think the mood is getting bad now, just look around and see where it’s going. It’s not going to get prettier!

 

Henrik: No. That’s just it, and it’s horrendous, you know, that it’s that’s in the direction where it goes to. I still think, you know, I still think that the level of compassion that we have seen in the Indo-European mind, if you will, that we’re the ones who pushed the Human Rights. We’re the ones who came with the aspect of equality and egalitarianism. And although there’s follies in those proposals, those philosophical ideas, or errors in those ideas, I still think that appealing to compassion among our own people is still the successful recipe.

 

I know that there’s a lot of people out there, they’re way beyond that, they’re like, they’re ready to go to war, that kind of thing. They’re pissed off! They’re upset about this. They truly hate in that regard. And that isn’t their fault, they have been pushed in that direction.

 

But just from a strategy kind of point of view, if that’s the right word to use, I think it was Frank Salter who talked about that. He said, and I think it was a good point, he said:

 

“You’re not going to initially get the majority of European people to drop the aspect of equality and compassion. But those are elements that you have to work with.”

 

You have to steer the conversation, not by coercion, because I think it’s just the truthful past, but you have to show that the long-term picture. That well, due to the compassion and the equality, and all those things that you’re enforcing right now. It is going to turn into a hellish scenario later on! We have to see the long-term picture, not just the short-term gratification that these people feel good, you know, internally, or emotionally. That:

 

“Oh I did something good today! ”, or, “I help people”, or “I don’t say no! ”

 

You know:

 

“I’m pro open borders, and therefore I’m a better person than you! ” and “I’m open hearted and loving.” and all that stuff.

 

My point is, no! If you truly were open-minded, open hearted and warm, and have compassion in your heart, and thinking about people’s welfare in the future, you would see the big picture and say:

 

“No! Wait a minute. This is leading to disaster, and so let’s try to prevent that.”

 

So I’m what I’m saying, Alfred, is just I think that there’s still an unused, untapped territory within this debate in this topic, where we can try to show to our people that what you’re advocating for, if you’re a liberal, and if you’re open hearted like this. That, that path is going to lead to misery and conflict at the end of it. And if we can show that, there is some hope to turn more people over to our side if, you know, what I mean., because I’m certainly, I don’t come from a perspective of hate, although I understand why some people have become hateful, but I think it’s a very important to still appeal to compassion. Still appeal to the traits within us that are unique, to a certain extent, and that are much more open really, than many other groups around the world. What do you think about?

 

[51:18]

 

Alfred: Yeah. Since my own awakening and really understanding the absolute lies that have been foisted on us, I have, and you’re talking about love and compassion, I have a love and a compassion, and an understanding, for our ancestors, my parents, their grandparents, and so forth. That I never had before.

 

And before, when I was still mentally ill, because of the indoctrination. I was a zombie okay, I confess, I was a zombie! There’s nothing shameful about that. We are all zombies at some time. There’s very few people that weren’t. And I did not have that respect, I sort of saw my ancestors as they were sort of anonymous, kind of far away. And now since understanding what they have gone through, as Germans, you know, and the expelling out of the east, the genocide, and so forth. And Dresden, and all these things, I have a compassion and an understanding and respect for them I never knew I had.

 

And it’s like, I think it was Plato had said, that “people without roots have no direction”. And you have to understand your forefathers to have roots. These are our roots! And somebody who thinks they’re a good person, because everybody is equal, they’re just believing just total nonsense!

 

I mean, look at the birds. Are all the birds the same? No. There’s sparrows, there’s seagulls, there’s hawks. There’s all kinds of different birds. They’re not all the same! And neither are we! Have you ever seen a pygmy excel at high jumping? And I haven’t. So they’re not equally see. Now, if Europeans and Africans are the same, why is it that the Africans didn’t even invent so much as the wheel, and we invented all kinds of fancy things? Everything!

 

When you see Africans walking around now in our cities with the latest iPhone, well good for them. But they didn’t invent those things. They got them given to them by people like George Soros. So, we are not equal! So anybody who says, you know:

 

“Oh, if you think everyone is equal, you’re a better person.”

 

I say these people are mentally retarded. They’re mentally crippled. They’re victims of the psychological warfare. They have been contaminated with these lies!

 

Henrik: It’s what is used against us to make sure that we agree with the agenda. They’ve found a kind of code, a mechanism in us, by using our compassion against us, right? They’ve used, to certain extent, our strength against us, and said — it’s not our only strong ability obviously, but it’s a big part of it — and they’ve unlocked that, and said:

 

“You know what, let’s twist and turn the situation like this, and say you’re compassionate if you allow XYZ, and that’s kind of, … It’s like a code that they’ve broken, right?

 

[54:00]

 

Alfred: Yes. They use our strong characteristics and turn them around so elegantly, slowly over a period of time, and then, until we use it against us. Our women are standing some place with “Refugees Welcome” [signs]. That is absolute suicide! In past generations, had any women done that, they would have been flogged! They would have been thrown out of society. They would have been the most disgusting pieces a crap, pardon my language, but that’s what it is.

 

And here they are being, by the jewish media, they are being held up in high esteem, as the most honorable people! They are doing something treasonous, that is suicidal. And that is our demise! We are not equal! No. Get that idea out of your mind.

 

We are very different, and that’s good that we’re different. We grew up in different geographies, at different rates, at different times. That’s good, we’re all different, there’s nothing wrong with that, you know. And that’s the reality.

 

And like I said, when things get tight, and things get scarce, and we understand that we are defending the homeland, and the invaders are defending a free lunch, we have a different motivation to get back what is rightfully ours. And that’s what I’m confident that we’re going to do this right!

 

Henrik: Right. The last final point on this Alfred, before we start rounding up here.

 

Obviously the migration, the refugee waves, and all that kind of stuff that we’ve seen, it’s a very kind of, “in your face” and direct assault, an attack. At these for those who are paying attention. Again [laughing] many others see this as, “oh! I’m helping! ” you know, it’s like Ralph Wiggum.

 

But here’s other ways, there’s a cold, if that’s the hot war, so to speak, or a warm war, and there’s a cold war as well. And we just briefly talked about this in the break. For example, what happened in the wake of Charlottesville, stuff like that. A lot of things unfolded after that point. We don’t have to get into all that, it’s a big story. But what triggered that is, of course, that people were basically, they wanted to protest against the removal of statues in the South, for example, in the States. And this is something that happens in many parts of Europe now, as well. The UK have started, I believe Germany is on that path to. Where basically if it’s an old the dead White guy, right, then that needs to be torn down and attacked and stuff like that.

 

But, just for a moment, maybe we can talk about what an act of, not only violence, but as you say, it’s colonialism. It’s just full on takeover where, you know, the people who built our countries that have given everyone in that country the fruits of what they have, included those newcomers, that have just come in. The utter disrespect and the utter, I just, it’s disgusting! I don’t know what else to call it. The way that they are tearing down these statues, they’re renaming schools, they’re removing our history. They’re just rewriting it as if these men never existed at all! That’s what I feel it’s about. It’s almost like it is sleight of hand of saying, you know, this never existed! There’s no such thing as a White country! It’s like a Jeddi mind trick, or something.

 

[57:09]

 

Alfred: This is one of the symptoms of the genocide that is being perpetrated against us! See, if we don’t even respect those people who our ancestors knew were real true heroes, like Robert E. Lee was a real true hero! Now when they take any of these statues down we should be out there by the thousands, or the hundreds of thousands, and keep that statue up! And if you take one down, we put at one that’s twice as big, in it’s place! How can anybody respect us if we have such low self-respect, that we allow anybody — the jews are the ringleaders of those people taking these things down — that is our identity. Those are our ancestors! We are all we are all obliged to be even just only half as heroic, and keep that statue up there!

 

And like I said, they take one down, we to put one twice as big back up, and another one on top! Like we cannot let that happen. That is our genocide!

 

Henrik: Right! Showing some of the pictures here, this is from Dallas. It’s amazing this has happened, in so many places, around the US, right now. They just take these statues down. Here’s a Robert E. Lee Park in Arlington, in Dallas. It’s just absolutely amazing that these boys here, the cops, the suits, they just line up to defend this action. I don’t think they know truly what they’re doing. But I hope that they’re angry. I hope that some know. I hope that some realize.

 

Alfred: Because this is the jew!

 

“The goyim will be agents, instruments of their own destruction!”

 

When our security people are making sure they can remove these statues, yeah, it’s like saying:

 

“Let me stick this knife into my heart. Let me just kill myself! And let’s have everybody help me kill myself!”

 

This is our suicide! These are real points, this is a real actionable item if you want to say. Taking down a statue like that should not happen! That should be put back in there, no matter how we do it, we have to get the statues back to where they were.

 

What are they going to put there in it’s place? A statue of Martin Luther King, you know, this drinking, partying, sex pervert that they stylized up to be our hero and make a national holiday! Taking our ancestors, our heroes that built the country, down, and putting these perverts in their place? Putting some fagot their place? No, no, no! That can’t be it. If we are that weak and cannot prevent that from happening, then we will deserve the demise that we will be facing.

 

Henrik: All right. Interesting conversation. Lot to chew on here, of course. Let’s see what people think. Lots of interesting points, Alfred. I want to thank you for your time today. It was very interesting having you back and, of course, I want to wish you and your sister the best, in the whatever now, is going to happen. The legal battles.

 

[60:07]

 

I mean, it’s a is an extraordinary situation, and I urge and I hope, no matter if people agree, or not, with the kind of things that Monika and yourself talk about, that they recognize that this is a clear violation of all the things that they claim that they’re fighting for, for other people.

 

So it should be a huge free speech issue! There should be number of people just rallying to this cause, getting vocal and loud about it, making sure that they help Monika out of prison and then that she gets not only fair treatment, but that they explain to her, why they’re holding her, and that she actually can reach out to you.

 

So, is there anything, last words you like to say about, if you guys have a strategy, legally, to get her out, or what?

 

Alfred: The strategy is there’s no way to get her out legally! We’re going to get her out with pure pressure! People writing letters. Write her letters make sure that, you know, you see through their lies. The address, it’s in multiple blogs. Go to the “We are Monika” blog and the address is there. Write, the political prisoner Monika Schaefer, and so forth. You don’t have to write much. Just say, we’re thinking of you, and thanks for your struggle.

 

See: Andrew Hitchcock with Alfred Schaefer – How YOU Can Help Monika Schaefer! — TRANSCRIPT

 

And we are at war with insanity! Okay? This is a war against thinking, working, people. And if we don’t win, then this earth is going to become a hell hole! So we are trying to basically save civilization, we’re going to do this as peacefully as possible as possible in a civilized way as possible. And jews have the opportunity now to prove that they are actually not guilty, by making an effort to get Monika out! Write a letter, you know, say and write that:

 

“I’m a jew and I will I think it’s not right and the “Holocaust”, I’m sorry that we’re part of this monstrous lie.”

 

That would be a good start and can be very good in your defence when this lie goes over.

 

I would not want to be a jew at this point in time, if I didn’t do something to help bring the truth out! And that’s about all I can say at this point. Thank you.

 

Henrik: Sure, you got it! So there’s the address anyway right there on the screen, but it’s a video right there on the link to the website, that will leave down below, as well. So check that out folks.

 

Thank you so much Alfred for coming on. Keep us posted on in terms of what’s going on. I’m really interested in following the case, and I wish you and your sister all the best. And thank you for daring to speak your truth and following through on it. I know that there’s tremendous pressure involved in that. I know it’s incredibly difficult but, you know, for you guys to dare to walk your own path, that’s an extraordinary thing to do in these times of conformity. So thank you Alfred.

 

Alfred: Thank you Henrik. Thank you.

 

Henrik: Well guys, that concludes our show. A big “Thank You” to all our members. We are really picking up the frequency of shows and videos, and Weekend Warrior shows.

 

Once again, we’re really excited about this year. A lot of good things are in the works and a lot of exciting things are going to happen. We have a lot of plans. So thank you for being part of Red Ice for supporting us for helping us to grow. Take care folks and we’ll be back before you know it! See you soon.

 

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[Henrik of Red Ice Radio interviews Canadian-German activist Alfred Schaefer on the situation surrounding his sister’s arrest on Jan 3 this year, in Germany, for making a video called “Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust“. In Part 1 here, Alfred explains the intellectual journey that both of them took to arrive at the position that Western Civilization is being destroyed by organized jewry through a long term strategy of psychological and physical subversion, with them, for example, being the power behind the invasion of Western countries by non-Whites.

 

Part of the subversion of Whites has been achieved through the diabolical lie known as the “Holocaust” that is used by organized jewry as a “shield and sword” to draw attention away from its massive crimes against humanity, such as the instigation of the World Wars, 9/11, etc., while also instilling guilt and shame in Whites for their very existence.

 

Alfred is a tireless and impassioned “man on a mission” to alert all to the reality of our dire situation and the forces behind our looming racial and cultural destruction, if we fail to act! I would urge all readers to support Alfred in his work and to help him in exposing the Orwellian situation that his sister, Monika, finds herself in as a “thought criminal“, now locked up in a maximum security prison in Germany — KATANA.]

 

Write to Monika now, at:

 

Monika Schaefer.
Stadelheim Prison.
Schwarzenbergstr. 14
81549 München,
GERMANY.

 

 

 

 

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 Alfred Schaefer is a German producer whose videos are aimed at exposing the propagandistic nature of the mainstream media. His videos outline how the hostile elite that are in control of much of Western Civilization have managed to subjugate entire populations and their political leadership through psychological conditioning.

 

Alfred Schaefer joins Henrik for a discussion about the consequences of challenging the accepted view of the Holocaust. The program begins with Alfred describing what it was like to grow up in Canada with German ancestry amid an accusatory climate of Holocaust remembrance. He describes his sister Monika’s newly found skepticism of the prevailing historical view of the Second World War and her subsequent video productions. Alfred recounts how Monika was arrested in Munich because of her videos that challenged the prevailing mainstream consensus concerning the Holocaust while attending the trial of Sylvia Stolz, a lawyer on trial for so-called Holocaust denial. Henrik and Alfred discuss with incredulity how pursuing historical inquiry can lead to criminal charges and imprisonment.

 

In the members’ hour, Henrik and Alfred talk about the fractured nature of facts surrounding the nature of the Holocaust itself and the need for further research. The conversation then addresses the migrant crisis and how it constitutes a threat to Western civilization and how it can be viewed as a destructive companion phenomenon to Holocaust guilt and other Leftist propaganda. The conversation turns to the freefall of the mainstream media, how people crave alternative media sources, and the importance of outlets like Red Ice. Henrik speaks to the risk involved with pursing the truth about the migrant crisis, its origins, and underlying motivators. The discussion then turns to the seeming contradictions of population replacement.

 

Henrik and Alfred go on to discuss the severity of the current geopolitical situation as an existential crisis; the importance of pursuing moderate solutions to avoid widespread conflict; and much more.

 

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TRANSCRIPT

(54 mins)

 

 

 

[00:00]

 

Henrik: Welcome ladies and gentlemen. Henrik here with Red Ice TV. Thank you so much for tuning in. It’s always a pleasure having you with us. Today we have a issue of free speech coming to you a little bit over a year ago we had a gentleman called Alfred Schaefer on the show. I think we had him on twice actually, and his sister as well, Monika. We did a show with her. She had actually done a five-minute video that was called, “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the “Holocaust”. Which was a very good video. It was an honest, very down-to-earth video about her own kind of personal and emotional experiences growing up in Germany [Canada], all the things that she was taught, etc. And [01:01] her basically waking up to a kind of a different story, if you will.

 

And this has, in hindsight, caused a ruckus not only, of course, in Canada where she and Alfred was living, but now they’ve gone back to Germany. And they’re it’s, you know, this has intensified, if you will. So we have Alfred back with us on the show here today. And I shall go through some of this and talk a bit more in detail about what actually happened. And I want to Alfred. Welcome first of all, but I want everyone, kind of don’t assume that people know the case. Let’s talk about it from the beginning and what actually happened Alfred.

 

Alfred: Good. I’ll just go back to the summer of 2016. Monika was here with Professor Tony Anthony Hall and we did a number of video productions. And what really rocked the boat here was a five, or six minute video that Monika did, one in German, one in English. It’s called “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust”. And in this video, a very heartfelt video, she explained how she [02:02] growing up in Canada as a German. And how the propaganda, when we started being indoctrinated with the propaganda, the people in school like back at that time, the Germans were vilified, really vilified, to the max!

 

That was like twenty years after, well that was in the 60s so that was 20 years after the end of hostilities, of what we call World War Two. And Monika described how she experienced that as a youngster in school, when she wore her traditional German dress and how the people mocked her. And then she started reproaching, to she eventually reproached our parents, particularly her our mom, for what the evil Nazis did., because when you are told as a little child these kinds of stories you just assume that you’re being told the truth, you just would not imagine that you would be lied to by those people who you trust who you look up to.

 

[03:02]

 

Anything they tell you believe it. I mean, that’s our nature. If you’re growing up and your parents tell you to this, or that you have to believe it, because if you don’t you wouldn’t survive. If your parents tell you don’t go jumping in that pond, because there’s alligators there and you don’t listen, well you get eaten by the alligators. So it’s our nature, our inherent nature to believe what we are told.

 

And this has been used against us to inculcate us and indoctrinate us with these stories which vilify our own ancestry, our own heritage. So Monika went to her mom and she says:

 

“Mom why didn’t you do something to stop these evil Nazis?”

 

And so forth. And then later on, not that long ago, she figured out, “well geez this is all lies”. And she told me that once and I says:

 

“You know, Monika we have to make a video out of that!”

 

So we did that. She wrote a beautiful text. She was here on a visit and she gets in front of the [04:01] camera and we made this video, “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust”.

 

And it got it really took off well. And then the Israeli, the jews got wind of it. And it was all over the Israeli press it in multiple languages. They were just really:

 

“Wow, you know, this politician Canadian politician denies the “Holocaust” in a video!”

 

And what really shook them, rattled their cage, was there had not been a video of this kind before, where you’re really basically undoing so much of the psychological warfare they have done against us. And this was basically undoing it in one big swoop.

 

So they were very nervous about that. And they tore her to pieces! And vilified her! And then when Monika went back to Jasper [Alberta, Canada], she had to endure the most extreme ritual defamation you could possibly imagine. And thank God that Monika has [05:00] the spirit that she does, because not many people would have survived that. I mean, she basically lost pretty much all her violin students, and people were strongly:

 

“No! You’re not welcome here!”

 

It was just like the witch trials 300 to 400 years ago. Just amazing.

 

Henrik: Yeah! Exactly! That’s absolutely true and it’s amazing that of course, you know, we don’t even have to get into the mechanics of what it is that Monika actually believes. It’s the audacity that she has come to a different conclusion that other people, than the masses, than the majority. I mean, I we know, of course, that this is punishable a crime in many countries now to think differently about a historical event.

 

Which is amazing and it amazing that so few free speech activists come out in support of these people who have come to a different conclusion. And in it’s in this case I think they want to make an example, not only out of her, but we know other scenarios in Germany, like Sylvia Stolz, of course. And I forget the older lady’s name now, obviously you, you know.

 

Alfred: Ursula Haverbeck.

 

[06:02]

 

Henrik: Exactly. Haverbeck. Thank you. Yes absolutely. So they’ve gone after older women on this now in Germany! I mean, it’s absolutely fascinating., but tell us first, how did, … Was in Canada did you guys decide to go back to Germany what happened there?

 

Alfred: Yeah she came she was wondering, she wanted us to, you know, we wanted to connect up again and she has a lot to do in Canada, so she figured sort of on the spur of the moment, she’s gonna go visit Alfred in Germany now at Christmastime. So she gets on the plane, you know, hops over here, and we have just a wonderful time. And I told my comrades here, you know, Monika’s coming and so forth. And then Henry Hoffenmayer says:

 

“Hey, we can go visit the trial of Sylvia Stolz, which is a Munich on the 3rd of January, if your sister’s here. We’ll just have a look at that.”

 

So it’s real spur-of-the-moment decision. We went there, we go there as quiet observers. And watching these proceedings was beyond bizarre. It really is an inquisition! They would refer we [07:02] were sitting in the back there, then in comes Sylvia Stolz and her attorney. And at the front are this decrepit snake of a state prosecutor, and the other people that are in there, which are, you know [Alfred laughs].

 

And then if Sylvia Stolz and her attorney would be, you’re talking about like explaining things, you know, this and that. And no matter how logically and precise they would explain something, the state prosecutor would brush it aside with just a simple, you know, “jibber-jabber” that didn’t even make sense. So this is the nature of an inquisition. An inquisition is like in the old days. They would put you in a sack, throw you out in the water, and if you sank you were innocent. And if you stayed on top, you are guilty and will be tortured. You cannot win in an inquisition. And these trials are an inquisition. There is no hope in hell and they try to bind these people [08:00] in this legal process here. To drain them of all their resources, tie them up.

 

I mean, if you see these people, how much money they are being paid by the taxpayer and by the poor victim! And it goes days and days and they just, it’s a jibber-jabber nonsense. It’s utter destructive nonsense!

 

Anyway, we were in that courtroom there and somebody behind us, or beside her, somewhere, said:

 

“Oh that must be Monika Schaefer! I mean, that’s her, we recognize her.”

 

And so they called for a surprise break about 45 minutes into the hearings there. And so we says okay, we stretch our legs, go outside. We step outside the room and then this different state prosecutor comes, accompanied by three very heavily, well armed thugs, kind of thing. And they asked her:

 

“Are you Monika Schaefer? Okay, come over here.”

 

They took her to the side and they were talking with her, slapped her [09:01] in handcuffs and dragged her off.

 

Henrik: Right there?

 

Alfred: Right there and then! Yeah.

 

Henrik: Absolutely! Did you get, I mean, did you guys have any suspicions about this, or like?

 

Alfred: No, no! It was a total surprise.

 

Henrik: Not paranoid to show up in public like, after that?

 

Alfred: And the funny thing is, I thought okay they must have, they probably arrested her for things that we had done while she was here., because we had a guy come from France, another, you know, a guy who was, well I hate using the word “revisionist”, a person exposing historical truth. And he came here, because he felt so alone there in Paris.

 

And when he was here, and he played the accordion, a really good accordion a player. And so Monika and him were making music every day. We were just doing cultural things. And one day we went to Andechs [a hilltop Benedictine monastery, church & medieval pilgrimage center with a brewery & a beer garden], which is a monastery nearby here with a beautiful beer garden and so forth. And we’re in this beer hall and then the brass band came in and it’s pretty filled up with people.

 

And Monika was [10:01] just so elated with energy, she stood up and gave the Roman salute! [both laughing] And, you know, what happened? Well somebody else behind her gave the Roman salute! And nobody came and, you know, and says, “Hey you Nazis!”, or anything. And people were chuckling and sort of, “Oh, what’s going on here?” But people were giving us a thumbs up and so forth.

 

And then, when she was arrested then a few days later at the court, at the “inquisition” of Sylvia Stolz, I was sure it was for this incident! , but it wasn’t. It was actually for “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the “Holocaust”. So with this, I say this is the most spectacular “own goal” that I have ever seen anybody make! I mean, Sylvia Stolz, they were trying to basically put her, flush her down the memory hole. And they’d love it if Monika would just disappear., but now they have elevated both of these courageous women, right onto center stage on the world stage. And that’s where we need them.

 

Now this might be some discomfort for Monika for a while., but [11:02] the week that we had here before this happened, she had her batteries charged up to the max with wonderful dialogues we had. The conversations we had. With the cultural events with the Roman salute at Andechs there. And the positive feedback she got from that. So it’s good.

 

And now she knows, she’s very well aware of the importance of the role that she is in right now. And there’s no resolving this in their “jewdicial” system. We to resolve this on the political level. So we are going to amplify this and make it make it as embarrassing as possible for the powers that be. They need to know it is time to come out with a White flag and apologize for all these lies, because they cannot possibly stop it.

 

There’s trying to stop it with extreme censorship here. Oh, let me just say one thing. When Monika came here and before her arrest, and she’s doing her her mail, or emails [12:00] and we’re looking a lot on the internet, and she says:

 

“Geez, I feel like I’m in prison already everything! Is censored!”

 

All the stuff that she could still see in Canada, like videos and so forth, it’s all blocked here. It’s extreme censorship right now. And it’s accelerating. It’s intensifying. So they think, in their hubris, that they can keep the lies covered by censoring., but I always say, if you have a small child at home and you say, “do not look in this drawer here!” And then you go out of the room, where’s the first drawer that the person’s got the child’s going to look in? Precisely that drawer they’re not supposed to look. This is human nature and this our curiosity. And I mean, it’s our nature. We want to know what’s going on around us.

 

Henrik: Exactly. Well I mean, the important thing to remember too is, of course, that this is not hurting anyone. This is a victimless crime and it’s a personal investigation, if you will, that someone is doing into a historical event. It’s their choice, it’s not [13:01], you know, hurting anyone else.

 

And the fact is that I mean, we know that in Germany this has been made a crime. And I believe that, if I recall the statutes correctly, was basically it has been established by law what the history is. And if you do come with a different conclusion then you’re breaking that law of the established history. And so what has she found out consequently? Are you in communication with her every day, every other day, and what’s the charges and stuff like this? Tell us about that?

 

Alfred: Okay, first of all, we are trying to communicate with her. It is not possible. She is completely isolated from the outside world now. She’s not isolated from the other inmates, but she is completely isolated from us and the outside world. We had the Canadian Consulate go there and that was a not easy to get that arranged. But the Canadian Consulate did go there. Actually, as a woman and a man, a consul and the Consul General, or something like that. [14:00] And then they said afterwards:

 

“Well now, we were there and now we cannot visit her again for six months.”

 

That’s the rules they have. And they cannot get involved in the legalities. So it’s basically, well this is a dark time in our history, right now, that this is happening.

 

Henrik: And will Canada fight for it? I mean, if she’s not been extradited, … But how can she end up under the jurisdiction of German law? They haven’t explained this, I would reckon? They just snatched her, and that’s it?

 

Alfred: They snatched her! This is a completely illegal thing! This is outside of law and order as we know it. And, you know, I’ll tell you how obscene this whole thing has become. I was just raided a couple days ago, again, and it is, because of the shitstorm that we’re stirring up with Monika’s arrest. So they’re really unhappy now. But it shows that we’re on the right track, because even uncle Adolf, or Adolf Hitler, he used to say:

 

“If the jews are not attacking you, it’s, because your work is mediocre. It’s not really doing much.”

 

[15:00]

 

Once they notice you and they start attacking you, it’s, because they are afraid that you are making inroads into their construct of lies. So yeah, that’s where we are now.

 

Henrik: What about Canada? Have they as you said, okay they visited the consulate there, but have they not tried to say:

 

“Hey this is a Canadian citizen! You can’t just take him!” right?

 

Alfred: No! If you look at the Canadian government, they are even more repulsive and they are even lower down than the German government. All of our governments in the Western world right now are about as low as they can get! And that’s a problem now, because they have all been maneuvered into the positions that they find themselves in, because of their corrupt morals. They can be manipulated and they will do as their jewish masters expect them to! And no Canadian government, no German government, no government is going to help her!

 

[16:01]

 

This is something that we have to resolve basically from the bottom. From just a massive awareness. And right now, Monika is one of the most valuable fulcrums that we have to leverage this message out there. Because even those who think that life consists of sitting on a couch watching TV, even some of these zombies will start to understand that when they take somebody, throw her in jail, just arrest her on the spot, throw her in jail, because of a heartfelt apology to her mother!

 

At the same time that these hordes and hordes of military-age black and brown men, like a tsunami of them, are flowing into our countries, and they get a free pass to do anything they want! They even get helpers to show them how to get this and get that from our society! They get benefits and somebody who comes to the logical conclusion, because they’ve looked at the evidence they get thrown in jail [17:00]. That is something that needs to be addressed. And this is something that will affect each and every one of us. Nobody is going to escape this imbalance that we have in our system right now.

 

Henrik: Yeah definitely. There’s a legal inconsistency for sure here. I mean, there are actually victims of rape, etc., that are not getting the aid of the law. The full reach of the law, if you will. There are many people that actually walk free. I’ve heard cases, Lana [Henrik’s co-host and wife] did a video just a couple of weeks ago about a few of these cases, where they walk free. And I think some of the judges have said:

 

“Well they, it’s a cultural, they don’t understand the culture. They just need to be educated, basically.”

 

So they there let go! But the point is, that’s a clear crime with a victim. In this case, there’s no victim. No one is being hurt. But maybe someone is “offended” by it, right? Because these are awful opinions to have, or whatever. But there’s no victim here! And so the imbalance is just completely out of whack. And it’s clear to me that [18:00] they’re making examples out of these women to make sure that people are scared away from not only looking at this stuff, but basically they should be afraid of thinking for themselves. That’s ultimately what this is about I feel.

 

And they’ve picked off on this issue because, of course, it’s very important to them for people to be guilt-ridden, and basically have this new theology of guilt and victimhood. And this is the choice, right?

 

Alfred: Absolutely! Now there’s so many facets to this “Holocaust” lie. And right now I think it’s important that I focus all my work now on trying to articulate the big picture. I know Monika, when she was here, we came to the same conclusions. That once you understand the big picture, that the components of this big picture are much easier to understand. And they all make sense! It all falls into place!

 

It’s a little bit like if you’re standing really close to a huge picture, like a billboard, and you can only just see the big pixels, or something that [19:00] are this big and you cannot make any sense out of each of these pixels. But when you stand back and see the whole picture, it all makes sense. And this “Holocaust” thing, you know, some people think it’s just a scam for money. No, no, that’s just gravy that they sort of managed to harvest at this point in time.

 

But the real, or original purpose of the “Holocaust” was to divert attention away from the massive genocides that took place behind what was, what we used to call the Iron Curtain, under the name of communism. Now for us growing up in the West back then and when that Iron Curtain was still in place. What was behind the Iron Curtain separated us, we were the good people and the democrats, from the evil people. And those were the communists!

 

Now that’s the way that situation was interpreted for us. And it’s only now, in recent times, actually, quite recently for myself and like my sister Monika, and many other people, that we are beginning to [20:01] understand that both sides of this Iron Curtain were run by Talmudic jews, right from the start.

 

And as so if we want to understand the jewish problem, we have to actually go back, you know, for today’s world, basically to the French Revolution. But the jewish problem actually goes back thousands and thousands of years. And these people have honed their skills in manipulating people, having them at each other’s throats, that they start killing each other off. And the jew is there, controlling both sides, cleaning up and then penetrating ever deeper into the fabric of these peoples that have been at each other’s throats. And that’s what we see now.

 

Under communism there were genocides on the other side that killed tens of millions, possibly over a hundred million people, of the best people. And most of these were our brothers and sisters, our European kinfolk! They were just like us! [21:01] And they were butchered, massacred most brutally and — what better way to divert attention away from that, than this crazy “Holocaust” story? Plus, they had to have a way to justify — what they called the Allies, our European people that they manipulated — to bomb the hell out of the heart of Europe, which was Germany. To make sure that they could understand why they did it when they saw the mayhem, by vilifying those people that now lay traumatized and genocided and on the ground.

 

Just start making making up fantastic crimes and they are too traumatized to be able to defend themselves. And that’s, in a nutshell, what this “Holocaust”, the purpose that it has been.

 

And now it’s used to keep us — to destroy our ability to defend ourselves, plus it gives the jew a shield behind which he can perpetrate and commit any crime he wants to. And that’s where we find ourselves.

 

[22:00]

 

Henrik: Now there might be people watching, listening, that don’t kind of know the arguments that you’ve made. They don’t, or agree, or whatever. I’m sure there’s some that are as well. But what I want them to understand is basically, I want them to put it into context, into other events, other similar, as you say, genocides throughout history.

 

I believe that there’s no other genocide that has occurred that you could be prosecuted for claiming that it didn’t happen. This is, it’s a very unique case, if you will, historically speaking. About what you’re allowed and not allowed to do. And as we know, as I’ve said many times, it’s, of course, worse in Germany, but I just I don’t understand why many of the free speech activists are not coming out in support of people like Monika, and Sylvia, and Haverbeck, and all these other women, and men too, for that matter.

 

There’s many men as we know, Ernst Zündel passed away not too long ago, of course, he was a big hero, also a Canadian [23:01] citizen. He was, I believe, he was also extradited to Germany and was put in prison there. So this Canada-German relationship is kind of historically there as well in this case. But there should be much more uproar about this. I mean, what about Monika’s civil rights? What about her abusers? What about her her right to think differently? And I mean, and that’s what I want people primarily to focus on. And if they disagree with you Alfred on the historical issue, put that to the side for now, and just think of the case itself, and what it represents.

 

Because as you say, this is a witch trial! It is that these people have been demeaned and dehumanized, right? And wasn’t that a crime that they’ve said the Nazis did? They dehumanized people and all that kind of stuff? So in a way they’re doing exactly the same thing in depriving people’s right and freedom, because they think differently. And this should be a free speech issue. And why isn’t it? Why is it that no one dares to [24:01] touch this, or what is it, do you think?

 

Alfred: I’ll tell you why people are not speaking up. It’s, because this indoctrination that we have all been victims of, has the same effect on our ability to think as does a lobotomy. Now a lobotomy is when they used to separate the two halves of your brain physically. And they would make out of what they would call violent criminals in the prison system, or something, they’d make them into docile zombies. Because they’d separate the two brain halves.

 

Now this psychological warfare that we have all become victims of to some degree, or the other, has the same effect on us as does this lobotomy. It compartmentalizes your thinking, so that you are not able to think anymore and you have been conditioned to behave like a dog, like Pavlov’s dog.

 

I mean, that’s where this whole psychological science basically comes from. They wanted to know how we can condition people to behave, to obey in lockstep altogether. And these people are experts at [25:00] that. And that’s what they’ve done! We have been conditioned. Actually, our fellow human beings have been conditioned to have an allergic reaction, an aggressive, allergic reaction against those people who reveal the truth. Because as soon as you talk about the facts, the evidence that this “Holocaust” is all bunk, then you are immediately labeled as a “Nazi”, or a “Holocaust” denier!

 

And we have been taught, through conditioning, that these things are “evil”! So people have been reduced really to, like little children that you can tell them there’s a some kind of a monster, or something, or don’t look under your bed, there’s a golem, or something there. They have reduced us to a very, very low state.

 

At the same time, they are telling us about tolerance, and if you want to be a little girl and you’re actually a boy, you can do that and nobody can tell you otherwise. So they’re getting the people confused, full [26:02] of fear, confused, and reduced to the most basic animalistic level. And they say:

 

“Well, if they’re throwing old women in jail for years and years for “Holocaust” denial, then obviously, they must be really bad!”

 

Like, this is how simple their thinking is.

 

Henrik: Right?

 

Alfred: But now, as they see the reality of our world in free fall, in collapse, imploding, there’s more and more people that are beginning to understand that life does actually consist of much more than “fun and games”. And these fun and games that we have been indulging in, were the distraction to keep us away from seeing what has been going on behind the scenes.

 

Now taking us into these times right now. Look at 9/11! They don’t even talk about 9/11 at all anymore! In any way, good, or bad, or anything! Because they know that everybody’s figured that one out. So they figure, if we just don’t talk about it at all, it’ll disappear out of our memory [27:01]. Because if it’s not covered on TV and radio, or in the magazines, people won’t see it. And they just think it’s not important, because it’s not talked about.

 

But they do talk about all the time about:

 

“Oh how wonderful when these black men can mate with the White women!”

 

And all the advertising is reflecting that. So yeah, we have to wake up to the biological aspect of the situation in which we find ourselves. And that is basically, in a nutshell, the jew has declared war on the White race! And we are now at five minutes before 12!

 

We have to wake up! Understand what’s happening, and come into the healing mode.

 

And when I see what’s going on in the world today, we are now in that initial phase of the healing. And no organism can heal, until it understands that it’s under attack, identifies the problem and [28:01] only then can it kick into gear and do something about it.

 

So that’s why I am optimistic. And I see that, what they’ve done to Monika, they served us that on a silver platter! And I can only say, “thanks jews!” You did a fine job! If the doctor had to prescribe something for us that would have been perfect for helping our cause, then this would have been it! We would have had to pay millions of dollars in advertising to get this kind of exposure to this problem. And they’ve given it to us at the trial of Silvia Stolz, and I want to say:

 

“Thanks jews! You did a good job!”

 

Henrik: I wonder what, normal, so to speak, “normies” think about the case if and when they hear about it. And, as we can see obviously in some of the headlines, she’s already a convicted “Holocaust” denier. Although there hasn’t been a trial, the issue hasn’t been, you know, stated. It hasn’t been sorted out. What does she actually believe historically? It is [29:00] like this, literally like she has some kind of, you know, virus, or parasite! That she’s become smitten with this thing, which they need to keep it at a distance, kind of thing!

 

And that’s how they treat people these days. Just as you said, despite the preachment of the times is really, you know, accept those who think differently and you shouldn’t be afraid of the things you don’t understand, and all this kind of stuff. And I’m just so sick and fed up with the hypocrisy of what they’re trying to push in our faces! To get us to accept the kind of things that we don’t like! Of course, we have to be tolerant, we have to, … But they don’t have to be tolerant at all! See, they don’t have to back down and say:

 

“Okay, it’s fine. She’s not hurting anyone. Let her believe what she wants to.”

 

Right? No! Instead they want to make a case out of her! They want to jail her and stuff.

 

But what do you think is gonna happen next? I know this is very difficult for you to predict, if you will, or kind of project, but you have [30:00] been raided. There’s been people coming into your home. Tell us a little bit about that, and if there’s been any information shared with you at that point, about what actually is going on, and what they’re seeking to do.

 

Alfred: They are in a panic, because they see their work, they’ve worked like, how many long, 2,000 years, or something, for world domination? They feel they’re so close to it, they can finally, it’s within a reach. But the closer they get, the closer they have this, the more insane they go!

 

And that’s what we’re witnessing now. And there is no stopping the truth anymore! And you’re just talking about before, you know, there’s a “Holocaust” denier. People have to understand that anybody who still believes in this utter bullshit nonsense, will not be taken seriously. And in only a very, very short time from now, not one person in our civilization will admit that they ever believed this “Holocaust” nonsense!

 

And yet, like I was in Canada in the summer on a speaking tour, and I just saw the hysteria! Everything seems to revolve around if someone’s a “Holocaust” denier, or not, or [31:00] if there are a White supremacist, or a racist. And that’s all that counts! Nothing else seems to matter.

 

Henrik: Yeah.

 

Alfred: You know, people are living in a fantasy world that is a bubble, that’s going to burst! And they have to start to understand the reality of what’s going on around them, because that’s all we’ve got! Now, if we have hordes and absolute hordes of Third World criminals out of the prison systems, of the Third World, coming into our countries, we have to deal with them when everything breaks down. And that’s coming.

 

And the jew World Order that they’re trying to impose on us is this ridiculous “Holocaust” religion, and you’re supposed to go down on your knees and pray to that every day. And at the same time you are going to be disenfranchised. You are going to be running in your little hamster wheel. And then you’re so exhausted at the end of the day, you lay down, sit in front of the TV, eat poisonous food, drink poisonous water, and then get back in your hamster wheel, and the jew World Order’s controlling everything.

 

And that’s what the whole thing is with [32:00] the EU and everything. They try to make more and more laws that are making it ever more difficult for the small, you know, the bakeries, the small shop owners, the small farmers, to make it to make it so they cannot operate anymore, because they got a million rules! Always more rules making it ever more difficult for them to operate, so that eventually everything is just huge, great big, collectivized, you know, food productions, factories. And everybody will find their place somewhere as an insignificant little little grain of sand in this huge apparatus. And as soon as you step out of line, you will simply be shut off! You say the wrong word, they’ll just shut off your digital code and that’s it, you can die.

 

And now the jews actually think they can replace us, who created the civilization, and have these lower IQ people flooding in. Get rid of us, so they’re not threatened anymore. And it’s just a complete total insanity. If we don’t deal with it, then we will actually find ourselves exterminated!

 

[33:01]

 

But, I always say the Europeans have always excelled best when they have been forced to survive, because of harsh conditions. And when this breaks down, we will find ourselves in extremely harsh conditions that today would seem unimaginable, but that will be the test of fire. We survive, or we die! We swim, or we sink! And that’s what we’re facing. And I believe that when these times come, that’s when we will find our true purpose and meaning in life and we will deal with the parasites and the invaders.

 

Henrik: Interesting. I want to return to that a little bit later, maybe in the second part of the show., but let let’s deal with this issue here. This article, The Times of Israel, states the following:

 

“Authorities say Monika Schaefer is suspected of spreading hate material on the Internet.”

 

Right? And in the beginning I played the video and, of course, I saw, Alfred. It’s on your [34:01] channel. I’m surprised it hasn’t been taken down, but it has obviously been put in a limited state so people can’t see, or quarantine, as they call it, right? There’s no comments, you can’t see how many views there are, and all this kind of stuff. Has Monika actually, I mean, is this the only video they’re referring to? Or does she have a website herself and released other material, or is it just this video, do you think?

 

Alfred: This video is the one that really rattled their cage. And I’m glad they are sort of focusing on this video, because it is the best shortest piece of material that undoes so much of their psychological warfare, that we have been victimized with. You have to understand the psychological warfare, how it’s a very incremental process and it’s a trans-generational incremental process.

 

And I’ll go a little bit off-topic here, just to illustrate what I’m talking about.

 

Henrik: Sure.

 

Alfred: Now if you took any one of our grandparents, or [35:01] great-grandparents, and if they have to see how their ten-year-old boys are being taught in school. That they can cut off their penis and become a girl, they can be anything they want, our great-grandparents would have gone to that school with their pitchforks, or something! Would have speared that teacher, dragged him outside, strung them up in a tree! And no other teacher would ever dare to do that again! , because they still had healthy morals. And nobody with healthy morals would tolerate ten-year-olds, the most vulnerable of our people, the children being taught anal sex in school, and they can be any gender they want.

 

And that’s what they have brought us down to! Now the only reason that the parents are not doing that now is, because these parents have been completely demoralized. And their parents were already partially demoralized. So it goes little step by step, incrementally. And Monika’s videos, “Sorry Mom I was wrong about the Holocaust” basically reverse engineers this [36:01] psychological warfare. Because she confesses that she actually reproached our mother for not doing something against those “evil Nazis”! And my mom says:

 

“Well, we couldn’t! We never heard anything about that! We just didn’t know. We never saw that.”

 

So here we have, our mom was honest, Monika was honest, and this was the heartfelt apology to her spirit, since she was already deceased. Our mother was deceased. Now the jews have gotten a little bit too greedy. If they would have done this all over a longer period of time, maybe they would have gotten away with it., but they just got too greedy! And that’s what the jews always do.

 

Like now, I mean, look at what they’re doing now. They’re going crazy with the censorship! , but every time I see censorship happen, it always seems to come back, those indestructible weeds of historical truth come up stronger and more robust than ever before! And that’s what I say is going to happen now. YouTube wants to go into censorship? Well YouTube’s assigning it’s own death warrant! YouTube is just gonna go out of [37:00] business. Who’ll go to YouTube, who’ll go to Facebook if they’re gonna start playing nonsense like that?

 

We’re not stupid! Don’t take us for fools! The “Holocaust” is over! If I was a jew, I’d be coming out with a White flag, right today. I wouldn’t waste another day. And if I was a jew, I’d help to get Monika out of prison., because if you jews are going to stonewall and pretend you don’t know, or, you know, a “Holocaust” denier is evil, you guys are signing your very own death warrant! The noose is around your neck. And every every day of resistance, going forwards the noose tightening around your neck! So just get over it. Come out with your White flag.

 

Henrik: Now, I think you told us earlier that you were the one who was talking with Monika, showing her a different side of the story, and kind of awakening her to, you know, to some of the stuff that she talked about. Have you, and it’s more of a personal question, but do you regret doing that, considering the situation she’s in?

 

Alfred: Oh no! No!

 

Henrik: And I don’t mean that in a bad way. I’m just saying, …

 

Alfred: Yeah, I understand completely. I’ll tell you, when people, at the beginning, they would say:

 

“Monika! How could you let these bad people influence you like that!”

 

Monika would say:

 

“No, no! Nobody ‘influenced’ me.”

 

I was waking up, and it started about 10 years after 9/11, I started waking up to what actually happened on 9/11. And I sent these this information to all my family members. And Monika was the only one who always came up with the right question. She’ll say:

 

“Oh! Where did you get that? How do you know? Prove it! Like how do you know? Where’d you get that?”

 

And the other ones would kind of like, do like most zombies do, they kind of click it away. They just delete it, or something. They don’t want to look there. I mean, you know, when people delete that and put it away, it reminds me of a small child that covers it’s eyes and says:

 

“Now you can’t see me!”

 

They’re fooling themselves! We are all, we all have to confront the reality and truth! And Monika always came with the [39:00] right question. She was basically getting up to speed parallel with me, and she’s helped me with stuff, I’ve helped her with stuff. I might have, you know, kick-started her with the 9/11 stuff at the beginning, but she did not resist and she came right up to speed. And we’ve been a team, we’ve been partners in this struggle ever since.

 

Henrik: Hmm. Yeah, that’s good. And, of course, as one of the other articles, I think was from “Vice”, of course, they detailed that she was a former Green Party member. She had, I guess she had a lot of people on the Left. And she might have even come from a leftist perspective herself. In the beginning, kind of initially. So I can imagine how difficult it must have been for her when it started, when she started losing her classes [violin] and things like that in the school in Jasper, right?

 

And all the people, did they come after her, or did they just kind of drop her as a hot potato? How were her relationships at that point when it started coming out?

 

Alfred: Okay. You started saying about she was a [40:00] leftist. You know, I, we were all leftists! I was a leftist. Most people were leftist. We were basically indoctrinated that way, and that’s perfectly natural. There’s nothing wrong with that., but it’s just now when we see the reality that we understand, you know, that this leftist stuff is bad news for us.

 

And Monika’s ritual defamation which she had to endure in Jasper was, it was vile! I mean, she used to play music once a week, or something like that in the Jasper Legion, it’s called. And there was a guy there Ken Kominski is his name, but he’s all over the internet now, in a very bad way. He just did everything to get her thrown out of there.

 

But you see, Monika had been a Green Party member. She and run for the Green Party in Canada, but had quit that party already a year before making that video, because it was her disgust at the fact that the Party would not deal with the issue of 9/11, and a few other things. So she [41:01] was disillusioned by the hypocrisy of that Party. And, of course, now in hindsight we can see that Green Party, that’s one of the very worst. Here in Germany the Greens are the absolute worst!

 

Henrik: Yeah, yeah.

 

Alfred: I used to vote for those people. And that’s how blindsided I was! How hoodwinked I was! These are the very worst of the worst., but people in Jasper, they liked the way she dealt with their ritual defamation, since she wasn’t allowed to busk officially and in the streets. Which is, you know, putting your hat down there and playing music and so forth. She just went out with her fiddle and played, just for free, kind of thing. And people loved it! So she had a lot of people who were very happy with what she was doing. And even people that didn’t understand the six million lie, and were believers of that sick religion., but even they would still come to her and say:

 

“I might not agree with you what you’re saying, but I don’t think what they’re doing to you is right!”

 

So they see the injustice of what’s [42:01] actually happening to her. And I’ve always told Monika that each and every one of those people that are now making your life difficult, are in the future, at some point in time, when you go down the street they will run and hide, or they will come and ask you for forgiveness, for their despicable, disgraceful behavior!

 

And that’s something that we all have to understand. That us being attacked, I would much rather go to prison, Same with Monika. I mean, that’s why I’m not worried about her. She’s a very strong person and she’ll she knows the role she’s playing. And myself too. If I go to prison, so what? I’ll go to jail! And is going so fast now, that I won’t be in jail for very long before the mob will get me out of jail, or they’ll kill me.

 

But this lie is over! It truly is! No self-respecting European person can crawl on his knees with this utter nonsense of 6 million dead jews, shrunken heads, soap and lampshades! It is so bizarre!

 

I’m looking into in turn to how [43:02] they play this game, you know, depending how much time we have., because with the fall of the Iron Curtain, like Auschwitz, we are always told Auschwitz, Auschwitz! The people living in Auschwitz had never heard of anything about a “Holocaust” until after the Iron Curtain came down and then they had a problem!

 

Henrik: Let’s get into that in the second segment, Alfred.

 

Alfred: Sure.

 

Henrik: We’re going to take a little break in a little bit, so I think this is a good time should promote the website before we’re going to that. I want to hear more about that., but obviously one of the ones that were set up was “wir sind Monika” [wir-sind-monika.com] “We are Monika”. Tell us about that site and is there any way people can support her now? What can people do that are concerned with this and her future?

 

Alfred: I recommend everybody become familiar with the site “wir sind Monika”, or “We are Monika”. That should get you there also. And this is sort of a go — to place to see what’s happening with Monika. All the latest updates. Plus we have a lot of links to other websites that have a massive amount of good information about the true history of what we call World War One, and World War Two.

 

[44:01]

 

It’s all in there. That’s the go — to place to find out what’s happening with Monika. And that is actually what had got them so upset, and that is the reason why they sent a team of ten heavily armed thugs into my home to steal everything they could find just yesterday morning.

 

Henrik: What happened with that? Tell us more about that. I mean, they just, what, did they just the break open the door? Did you open it? What happened?

 

Alfred: No this is interesting, because it’s always the same sort of woman with her team of thugs there. She comes from Fürstenfeldbruck, which isn’t that far. And this time in the summer, last summer of 2017, they came and they basically stormed in here at 6:00 in the morning like, you know, just about broke down the doorbell! And then they stormed in.

 

But this time they rang at seven o’clock and were very polite. The whole team of them. They surrounded the house first and then they came in. The whole house was full of these people, like ten of them at least, I couldn’t even count them all. And they didn’t take as long as the last time. It only took about, just over an hour. And they stole everything they could find, but I was [45:00] preemptively cautious. That’s why I’m talking to you now, I’ve still got my equipment.

 

I told them the whole time saying:

 

“You need to understand, lists are being compiled of all those people who are now being helpers of the system. And you will all find yourself having to explain your behavior when this lie goes over. And it’s just coming down now. It’s in free fall, and this is theft. And this is treason, what you are doing!”

 

“And what do you do when you go home at night? What do you tell your kids what you did? You chased a “Holocaust” denier and stole all his equipment? I mean, that’s gonna be an embarrassing thing to explain, because your children are all going to know that this was all a lie. And nobody’s going to admit that they ever believed that stuff!”

 

But that’s another thing. They don’t even talk about the “Holocaust” in these charges anymore. They actually charge us now, that we are “undermining the trust that people have in our legal system”! Now try to digest that one.

 

Henrik: Is that what they told you?

 

[46:01]

 

Alfred: That’s what’s written on the papers. That’s what’s written on the justifications for stealing all of our equipment, is that we are “undermining that people’s trust in the legal system”! Now if that isn’t an inversion of reality, I don’t know what is! And that’s what they do with everything. The “Holocaust”, and everything else that they’re feeding us.

 

You have to understand this process of “inverting and projecting”. They invert their own behavior, put it on the victim and they project that out there. And they just propagandize that message into our brains. And if we’re dumb enough to believe it, you know, we deserve to get exterminated! , but we are waking up, because we are not really that dumb!

 

Henrik: Alright. Let’s take a little break here then., but yeah, I want to send pple over to “wir sind Monika”. We’ll have a link down the description for that. There is, of course, tell us about your personal sites, as well Alfred.

 

[46:58]

 

Alfred: I don’t have any personal sites. I have my videos. I made them all, I basically finished my video career. Now I’m doing a lot of writing and doing talk shows like this one right now., because that is right now, the most effective way that we could the message out there. If I had invested in new equipment after they stole all of my equipment, my cameras, everything! They took everything you could find! Thousands of euros worth! If I had reinvested, it would all be gone now again. That’s why I don’t bother.

 

I just have learned to operate mobile. I can work here, I can work there. All that I need is a little laptop with an internet connection. That’s all I need now, and that’s all I’m going to be working with in the future.

 

Henrik: Okay. Yeah, you have the YouTube channel. We will link to that, of course. People can check out your older videos. A lot of good videos there, a lot of material on, you know, bigger picture, like 9/11, and how the entrainment, how the mind control process works. And stuff like that. Very interesting.

 

Do you, just the last point before we take a break here. Would you want to, if you could, leave Germany and go back to Canada? Are you happy where you are, at the moment?

 

[48:00]

 

Alfred: I couldn’t go to Canada! Canada! They are such zombies these people! There are more indoctrinated to be zombies than in Germany. I mean, Germany is pretty bad, but Canada’s even worse! I mean, they are completely brain-dead there! I hate to say it, but I would cry if I have to look at that every single day.

 

Now there’s good people, don’t get me wrong, but the general population is completely and totally, they’ve had their brains rotted out! And that’s a very alarming condition to be in, because they will not survive the coming reality. That is what I’m most concerned about, what used to be my home country. No. I want to stay in Germany right here, even if I go to jail, I’ll still stay here.

 

Henrik: Yep, I understand that. Alright folks let’s just take a short break here. We’ll be back more with Alfred Schaefer. All the links down below. Stay tuned everyone, we’ll be right back.

 

[49:00]

 

Thank you for watching, or listing guys. We’re doing a second part with Alfred Schaefer at Red Ice members dot com, right now. Yes really! A second members exclusive hour. It’s been a long time since we did that last. This is kind of the reboot, the reboot premiere of the members hour for our interview shows. This is, of course, something that we’ve started up now again. Since the “hack” we’ve not done a second hour. So this is great getting back into this doing these once more.

 

So do make sure that you join us. An intense second part with Alfred, as he holds no bars, as to how he sees the situation with Europe, his sister, censorship, and silencing of Europeans world wide.

 

And remember if you’re new to this show, we do let our guests speak on the show and you might not always agree. I might not always agree., but it’s important to give people that are censored and silenced a platform where they can share their views and tell us about how they really view the world, without having to self-censor.

 

[50:00]

 

Now the second segment is also where we speak about some of the things that we sometimes consciously, at this point, pulled off from speaking about, you know, in the first segment, because of the situation with YouTube censorship and, you know, our podcast goes up on other platforms, too. So I explain a bit more about this in the beginning of Part II, for members.

 

But if you are new, again, just know that we have already been censored from the iTunes Store, and SoundCloud, to mention a few. And also more recently one of these crazy leftist feminists in the British Parliament spoke with representatives from Google and YouTube about censoring, shutting down our channel! She mentioned Red Ice TV by name. So we are careful and concerned about our platform. You know, we have a lot of people on our channel subscribing and obviously we don’t want to be stupid and shoot ourselves in the foot and lose that.

 

[51:00]

 

And what’s more troubling and difficult is that despite the fact that we do not condone, you know, the promotion of violence, and such things. We, you know, these deluded people who want to silence people with different views are claiming that when we speak about our views, about how we see the world, then that is violence and hate! , but it’s not! This is lies! They can’t handle that we are a growing channel, a growing community. People are tuning in, people are liking our content, that’s the problem, right?

 

So do make sure that you join us at Red Ice Members dot com. You can sign up right now to get the second part with Alfred Schaefer.

 

So join us at Red Ice Members dot com. So you can sign up at Red Ice Members dot com. People still don’t know the members website and they still don’t know that we have that. So it’s my duty, it’s my job to repeat that, so that you guys can support our work. That you also can get access to exclusive videos for all of those of you who like our stuff and want to support us that is the best way.

 

[52:01]

 

On the member site you can watch, or listen, to this show, coming up the second part, or any of our previous shows. More recently we do video versions of our interview shows too, but not all of them., but we do also have mp3 versions, you know, available for those of you who prefer to download an audio version of our interviews only.

 

Also Weekend Warrior, our flagship news show that we do exclusive for all our members. Don’t miss that. This is the place where we talk about current events, recent developments, the culture war, and a lot of other topics, too. We do some original research and there’s a lot of good segments in these shows. And we have some fun! We joke around a bit more. So check out the Weekend Warrior Show. In the archive, we have 51 shows strong, already. New shows are recorded, we’re done live on the weekends.

 

[53:00]

 

Also, of course, we do excerpts from that show, and we upload those to our YouTube channel. We’ve also when we were down, the member site was down during the hack, we did a few shows in their entirety. So you can check those out to kind of get a few sample shows., but right now, as the member site is back up, the whole show is for members only.

 

We have over 1400 radio shows in our archives. We also do exclusive videos, solo videos, if you will, and all the other segments that we produce, it all goes up on the member site.

 

Most recently I just uploaded a very in-depth video, long video, about how the US coalition let 4,000 ISIS fighters leave Raqqa, their headquarters in Syria, with weapons, ammunition, their families, and all of it. To basically go to Europe, via Turkey. This is a big story! Really important video. So check that out.

 

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We’ll be right back with the second part, with Alfred Schaefer.

 

[54:00]

 

 

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[Here is the transcript of a video that provides good background information about who is really behind Donald Trump, naming names. The video came out in January 2017 and gets to the point straight away. That is, Trump is a creation of organized jewry. He’s their man, and the idea that he is some sort of loose cannon challenging the “system“, the “establishment“, is simply wishful thinking by most of those that support him. How could it be otherwise?

The video discusses the “media versus Trump” narrative, rightfully describing it as a contrived and scripted “battle” for the demoralized White populace that seeks a way out of the corrupt political system.

It then discusses those who believe that Trump will deliver on his hinted promise that he will get to the bottom of 9/11, and why that is most definitely a lost cause, since his patrons were the very perpetrators of 9/11.

Next, the video presents (over 10 minutes) the very long list of Ashkenazi jews that directly surround Trump. The tip of the “jewberg“, so to speak.

The last five minutes deals briefly with more about how the jewish media “works” with Trump in this charade, saying:

“The bottom line is, you cannot be anti-establishment, anti globalist, and be pro-zionist, pro-Israel!“

The videos concludes with Trump’s hypocrisy in regard to Hillary Clinton, both pre-election and post-election, where she is transformed from an evil criminal, a monster, deserving jail, into Trump’s trademark, “terrific person” schtick — KATANA.]

 

[Further comment: For those who voted for Trump, or supported him, don’t take this criticism of him as a tool of organized jewry, personally. I’ve been hoodwinked most of my life with the jewish-run political left/right puppet show, but have managed to get over it. You can do so, also — KATANA.]

 

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Trump IS the Swamp!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Click the link below to view the video:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCSUdSv9Dzo

 

 

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Published on January 21, 2017

 

Source:

“TruthMediaRevolution” Channel:

TRUMP IS THE SWAMP: Trump’s Jewish Elite MAFIA and The 5 Dancing Israelis (2017)

 

 

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TRANSCRIPT

(23:47)

 

 

[00:07]

 

There is absolutely no doubt that Donald Trump is supported, owned, and operated by the Zionist jew power structure. It is a verifiable fact! It is a fact the mainstream media and mainstream alternative media alike, will dare not touch. Anyone ignoring this fact and not exposing this, is either incredibly naive, or bought and paid for, to sell you disinformation.

 

 

Donald Trump is absolutely, surrounded by, and has appointed psychopathic neo-cons and Rothschild Zionists! Yet many are in delusion and denial, largely in part due to their desperate desire for a savior. And this is what the elite have counted on. It is through this desperation and demoralization of a collective consciousness, sick and tired of a corrupt system and government, they were able to once again, to pull off another dog and pony show and manipulate people into believing that, once again, things could be different this time, through the obsolete and meaningless system of voting. Hope and Change 2.0.

 

 

Unfortunately this is just another case of:

 

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!”

 

We are led to believe that Trump is at war with the mainstream media and the establishment. A mainstream media that is mainly Zionist jewish owned and operated. Another verifiable fact. Trump is also surrounded and supported by an endless stream of Ashkenazi jews in his organization and administration. He is, of course, a quote-unquote, “lifelong supporter and true friend of Israel”, the largest terrorist state in the world! Sadly, most people do not realize that Israel and Mossad intelligence, were key players in carrying out 9/11.

 

 

If Trump truly was for the people, he would help expose the stranglehold of Israel and the Zionist power structure. Keep in mind, the Israel of the Bible is a completely different entity than the modern United Nations created State of Israel, which is a terrorist state of the New World Order. This is a distinction many indoctrinated Christians fail to grasp.

 

 

 

America is just a puppet regime of Israel and Zion. A small fraction of the population are finally discovering that this Zionist apparatus controls our Federal Reserve system, corporations, Hollywood, and our media. And have our politicians in their back pocket. An even smaller fraction of the population understands that Trump would never get to where he is, if he weren’t owned and operated by these same powers. And as they say, the proof is in the pudding.

 

 

In addition to Trump being a staunch Zionist supporter, all one need to do is look at who surrounds and supports Donald Trump. Then you will understand how the “media versus Trump” narrative is just another ruse and Zionist script. The scripted battle between Trump and the jewish-owned media was the key chessboard move to legitimizing Trump in the eyes of the demoralized populace. A demoralized populace who by now has little to no trust for the so-called “dinosaur media”.

 

 

[02:29]

 

The idea that Trump is at war with a jewish-owned media, while simultaneously surrounded and supported by an army of them, is as ridiculous and absurd as it can get. And isn’t remotely believable to anyone aware of who really owns the media.

 

 

Many have also been fooled into believing Trump has hinted at 9/11 truth, but this is nothing more than laughable to any real 9/11 researcher. What he has stated publicly on 9/11, thus far, has been nothing, but lies and misdirection. In addition to being friends with 9/11 perp, Rudy Giuliani, Trump has focused on the limited hang out, and misdirection angle, of Saudi Arabia. Which is what gatekeepers, disinfo agents, and the media focuses on, ignoring the huge elephant in the room: Israel!

 

 

Trump has publicly stated that he saw, quote-unquote:

 

“thousands of Muslim Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks in New Jersey”

 

… which is the biggest lie imaginable.

 

 

The real truth, Trump, or your mainstream media, will never mention is the only people actually documented celebrating the 9/11 event, were a small handful of undercover Israeli Mossad agents, who had been in the US for months and some for years.

 

 

Whose operation was busted by a nationwide FBI sting and were captured on the George Washington Bridge with explosives in their van of their front company “Urban Moving Systems”.

 

 

CNN: We’re favoring the reports were getting now. Two, or three men arrested on the New Jersey Parkway. Deborah can you hear me now?

 

 

Deborah: Yes I can. That is the information that I am getting from two sources, that there was a van either on the New Jersey Turnpike, or the Garden State Parkway. And that it was near the George Washington Bridge. There were two, or three, men, who were in the van that was pulled over. It is not clear why the van was pulled over. But, when it was, law enforcers that found tons of explosives inside of the van. That is right now all I’m hearing. But again, two to three people in custody and we are trying to get more information on that right now.

 

 

Dan Rather: And word late tonight, the two suspects are in FBI custody, after a truck load of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge. That bridge links New York to New Jersey over the Hudson River. Whether the discovery of those explosives have anything to do with other events of the day is unclear. But the FBI who has two suspects in hand, said the truck load of explosives — enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge — but they arrested the two suspects and are questioning them as we speak.

 

 

Since 9/11 we have thousands of pages of FBI, CIA, and DOJ reports documenting the arrests made on 9/11. The FBI report outlines the fact that the dancing Israelis were found to have taken 76 photographs, had maps, plane tickets, box cutters, and almost five thousand dollars in cash. In their 2004 civil lawsuit the Israeli plaintiffs demanded their possessions and money back, in addition to many other demands. The declassified FBI reports also outlined the little known fact that additional Israelis, driving vans, were arrested by police in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire, after the 9/11 attack.

 

[06:04]

 

Numerous trucks and vans with explosives were stopped by police on 9/11. And, as outlandish and unbelievable as it may sound, one of the vans had a mural painted on the side of it depicting a plane crashing into the Twin Towers.

 

 

This is confirmed by two sources. One, the New York police radio transmission recordings from the day of 9/11. Two, it was also discussed by US Transportation Secretary, Norman Mineta, himself, in his February 2006 official report, titled “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks”.

 

 

The report stated, quote:

 

“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people, who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”

 

End quote. The report, of course, makes absolutely no mention of the truck exploding, or the fact that these Middle Eastern people had actually been Israeli spies.

 

 

Police radio (male): I’ve got a message on that point. It’s a big truck with a mural painted of an airplane diving into New York City and exploding. What’s in the truck. The truck is in between six and seven on K Street.

 

 

Police radio (female): [garbled] I have several officers, uniformed squad there, …

 

Police radio (male): [garbled] … with a mural painted, an airplane flying in New York, blowing up, .. Two men got of the truck, ran away. We got those two, … [male voice] That’s good.

 

Police radio (female): [garbled] are you holding those guys, Kay?

 

 

Alex Jones with Donald Trump: I’ve got so many questions, but you are vindicated! This has got to be the 50th time in the last six months, on the radical Muslims celebrating, not just in New Jersey, but New York, Palestine, all over! What do you have to say? They’re still attacking you, though we’ve got Dan Rather on video, we’ve got New York Post, we’ve got Washington Post, we’ve got, … I mean, what’s going on here?

 

 

[clip being repeated] … on the radical Muslims celebrating, not just in New Jersey, but New York, Palestine, all over! What do you have to say? They’re still attacking you, though we’ve got Dan Rather on video, we’ve got New York Post, we’ve got Washington Post, we’ve got, … I mean, what’s going on here?

 

Trump: Well, I took a lot of heat and I was, …

 

 

Screen text: Of course, Alex Jones is nothing more than a domestic CIA/Mossad ongoing psychological operation in place to help carry out and cover up the Zionist agenda.

 

[08:53]

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, even though Israel’s involvement in 9/11 is now documented, proven, and verifiable fact, this information has been well swept under the radar. Most Americans will never realize what took place regarding the many Israeli spies arrested and detained on 9/11, only to be later released and sent back to Israel. This information will never be mentioned or covered by the mainstream media, let alone Donald Trump.

 

 

 

And that is because he is obviously in bed with Israel and the Mossad.

 

 

 

 

Screen text:

 

“The Jewish elite don’t fear Donald Trump, they love him, they support him, they own him.”

 

[09:33]

 

Michael Abboud: Communications coordinator, Donald J Trump for President — Sephardic jew.

 

Paul Achleitner: Chairman supervisory board, Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump’s largest lender — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Miriam Adelson: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President, donor, future 45 PAC, finance vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Sheldon Adelson: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President, donor, future 45 PAC, finance vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Paul Atkins: Member, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Brian Ballard: Finance vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Elliott Broidy: Vice chairman Trump victory committee, finance vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Safra Catz: Executive committee member, Trump presidential transition team— Ashkenazi jew.

 

Michael Cohen: Executive vice President and special counsel, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Gary Cohn: Director United States National Economic Council —Ashkenazi jew.

 

Delos Cosgrove: Member, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Gil Dezer: President, Trump Dezer Development — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Michael Dezer: Founder, Trump Dezer Development — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Lewis Eisenberg: Chairman, Trump Victory committee, finance co-chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Boris Epshteyn: Senior adviser, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Stephen Feinberg: Donor, Trump Victory Fund, member, Trump Economic Advisory Council — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Lawrence Fink: Member, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Alan Fishman: Chairman, Ladder Capital, Donald Trump’s second-largest lender — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

David Friedman: Co-chairman, Israel Advisory Committee for Donald Trump, United States ambassador to Israel —Ashkenazi jew.

 

Samuel Fox: Vice-chairman, Trump Victory Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Alan Garten: Executive vice President and general counsel, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Bruce Gelb: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Michael Glassner: Deputy campaign manager and national political director, Donald J Trump for President, special advisor for operations, Trump Presidential Transition Team — Ashkenazi jew.

 

[12:06]

 

Lawrence Glick: Executive vice President of Strategic Development, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Jason Greenblatt: Executive vice President and chief legal officer, the Trump Organization, co-chairman Israel Advisory Committee for Donald J Trump, President Trump’s Special Representative for International Negotiations — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Vincent Harris: Former digital strategy manager, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Thomas Hicks, Sr: Finance vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Carl Icahn: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President, special advisor to the President for Regulatory Reform — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Gail Icahn: Finance vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Robert Iger: Member, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Travis Kalanick: Member, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Peter Kalikow: Donor, Trump Victory Fund — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Daniel Kowalski: Deputy Policy Director, Donald J Trump for President, member Trump Economic Advisory Council — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Charles Kushner: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President, donor, Make America Great Again PAC [Political Action Committee] — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Jared Kushner: Senior adviser, Donald J Trump for President executive committee member, Trump Presidential Transition Team — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Yael Kushner: [nee] Ivanka Trump, Executive Vice President, the Trump Organization, Senior Adviser, Donald J Trump for President, Executive Committee Member, Trump Presidential Transition Team — Orthodox jewish convert.

 

 

Bennett LeBow: Donor, Trump Victory Fund — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Richard Lesser: Member, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Ronald Lieberman: Executive Vice President of Management and Development, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Howard Lorber: Donor, Trump Victory Fund, member, Trump Economic Advisory Council — Ashkenazi jew.

 

David Malpass: Member, Trump Economic Advisory Council— Ashkenazi jew.

 

Douglas Manchester: Donor, Make America Great Again PAC— Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Bernard Marcus: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President, donor, Rebuilding America Now PAC, donor, Make America Number One PAC — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Rebekah Mercer: Donor, Make America Number One PAC, executive committee member, Trump Presidential Transition Team — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Robert Mercer: Donor, Make America Number One PAC — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Amanda Miller: Vice President of Marketing, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Eli Miller: Chief Operating Officer, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Jason Miller: Senior Communications Advisor, Donald J Trump for President, Communications Director, Trump Presidential Transition Team, Communications Director and Assistant to the President the White House — Ashkenazi jew.

 

[15:11]

 

Steven Miller: National policy director, Donald J Trump for President, national policy director, Trump Presidential Transition Team, Senior Adviser to the President for Policy, the White House — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Steven Mnuchin: Donor, Trump Victory Fund, member Trump Economic Advisory Council, national finance chairman Donald J Trump for President, executive committee member Trump Presidential Transition Team, secretary, United States Department of Treasury — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Elon Musk: Member, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Samuel Nunberg: Former Policy Advisor Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

David Orowitz: Senior vice President of acquisitions and development the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Geoffrey Palmer: Donor, Rebuilding America Now PAC — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

John Paulson: Donor Trump Victory Fund member Trump Economic Advisory Council — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Laura Perlmutter: Donor, Victory Fund, finance vice chairman Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Andrew Puzder: Secretary, United States Department of Labor — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Stewart Rahr: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Richard Roberts: Vice chairman, Israel Advisory Committee for Donald Trump — Ashkenazi jew.

 

George Ross: Executive vice president and senior counsel, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Wilbur Ross Jr: Billionaire investor and former senior managing director of Rothschild’s Incorporated for 25 years, Secretary of Commerce, donor, Trump Victory Fund, member Trump Economic Advisory Council, secretary, United States Department of Commerce — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Steven Roth: Donor, Trump Victory Fund, member, Trump Economic Advisory Council — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Keith Schiller: Director of security, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Stephen Schwarzman: Chairman, President Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Melvin Sembler Vice chairman, Trump Victory Committee, finance vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Yaakov Shaham: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President, donor, Victory Fund — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Marc Short: Senior adviser to vice president elect, Trump Presidential Transition Team — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Peter Thiel: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President, donor, Trump Victory Fund, donor Rebuilding America Now PAC, donor, Make America Number One PAC, executive committee member, Trump Presidential Transition Team — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Lara Trump [nee Yunaska]: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Vanessa Trump [nee Haydon]: Endorser, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew/[North European].

 

[18:05]

 

Kevin Warsh: Member, President Trump Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Mark Weinberger: Member, President Trump Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

Ronald Weiser: Vice chairman, Trump Victory Committee, finance vice-chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Andrew Weiss: Executive vice president, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Alan Weisselberg: Executive vice president and chief financial officer, the Trump Organization — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Lawrence Weitzner: Adviser, Donald J Trump for President — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Steven Witkoff: Donor, Trump Victory Fund — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Stephen Wynn: Financial vice chairman, Trump Presidential Inaugural Committee — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Richard Lefrak: Donor, Trump Victory Fund — Ashkenazi jew.

 

Daniel Yergin: Member, President Trump Strategic and Policy Forum — Ashkenazi jew.

 

 

[19:07]

 

So now you can see how absurd the notion that the jewish-owned media really hates Donald Trump, when they actually love him.

 

 

Take CNN, for example, all jewish owned and run. The major shareholder for CNN is Aviv Nevo (above), an Israeli billionaire venture capitalist. Head of CNN is zionist Jeff Zucker, along with the many Zionist jew propagandists, such as Jake Tapper, Wolf Blitzer, Larry King, and many more. But you get the point.

 

 

The reason the media has been, quote, unquote, “against Donald Trump” is, because that was the Zionist script that has been written. This glaring contradiction is how you can see through this elaborate charade and deception of Trump. The so-called “anti-establishment figure”. Now, you know, when you see him call out CNN, or any other mainstream media outlet, it is a ruse and nothing more than Zionist scripted entertainment and distraction, for a dumbed down and ignorant populace.

 

The bottom line is, you cannot be anti-establishment, anti globalist, and be pro-zionist, pro-Israel! This is the real truth. And until we see otherwise nothing will ever change!

 

Trump: It is time to drain the swamp in Washington DC!

 

 

Trump on Hillary: Her papers went out to all her friends at the bank’s, Goldman Sachs, and everybody else.

 

 

Announcer: President-elect Donald Trump turned to former Goldman Sachs banker and movie financed here Steve Mnuchin to be the next Treasury secretary.

 

 

 

Steve Mnuchin: We’re working on the economic plan of the transition, making sure we get the biggest tax bills passed.

 

Announcer (male): The 53 year old was Trump’s campaign finance chief, building a network of donors to support Mr. Trump’s general election campaign. Mr. Mnuchin has strong ties to Wall Street, after a 17 year career at Goldman Sachs, where he pioneered block trading: The selling of big chunks of shares at once. Mr. Mnuchin was born to a jewish family in 1962, and his father also worked at Goldman Sachs.

 

[21:06]

 

 

Announcer (female): It’s official! President-elect Donald Trump has picked Gary Cohn to head the National Economic Council. Gary Cohn is also going to be an assistant to the President for Economic Policy.

 

 

If you’ve been watching CNBC, you already knew this, because we’ve been reporting this for what feels like days, but now it is. [CEO Blankfein]:

 

 

“We will miss Gary at Goldman Sachs, but I believe the American people and the president-elect are fortunate that he has chosen to serve his country, I am confident that Gary will bring his many talents and expertise to the White House and will do his part to make our economy stronger for all Americans.”

 

That’s coming from Lloyd Blankfein, the CEO of Goldman Sachs.

 

 

Hillary Clinton: It’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

 

 

Donald Trump: Because you’d be in jail! I didn’t think I’d say this, but I’m going to say it, and I hate to say it, but, if I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation.

 

Hillary Clinton: Everything he just said is absolutely false!

 

 

Screen text: She’s actually right.

 

 

Donald Trump: Hilary has worked very long, and very hard, over a long period of time. And we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country! I mean, that very sincerely.

 

 

Interviewer (female): Are you going to ask for a special prosecutor to investigate Hilary Clinton, over her emails?

 

 

Donald Trump: Well, I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. I’m going to think about it. She did a lot of bad things.

 

Interviewer (female): I know, but a special prosecutor?

 

Donald Trump: I don’t want to hurt them, I don’t want to hurt them. They’re good people, …

 

 

Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton, commonly referred to as “crooked Hillary”, … She’s crooked as a three-dollar bill, … She’s married to an abuser. A woman claimed rape and all sorts of things. I mean, horrible things, … She should be in prison! She’s the queen of corrupt! … She’s a disaster! … She is a dangerous liar! … She’s the devil! … she’s a monster!

 

 

Donald Trump (on Fox news): Hillary Clinton, I think he’s a terrific woman. I mean, I’m a little biased, because I’ve known her for years. I live in New York, she lives in New York and I’ve known her and her husband for years, and I really like them both a lot. And I think she really worked hard, and I think she, … Again she’s given an agenda, it’s not all of her, but I think she really works hard, and I think she does a good job. I just like her! I like her and I like her husband.

 

Donald Trump (Live Leak): Could you be looking at the record of Hillary Clinton and how did she do as Secretary of State? Probably, above and beyond everybody else, and everything else.

 

 

[23:47]

 

 

 

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[In this interview Andrew Hitchcock talks with Canadian-German Alfred Schaefer again, covering a multitude of “truther” topics, including how he first got involved with 9/11 issues, realizing the fraudulent nature of  “Holocaust”, and all the many other acts of systemic aggression that organized jewry has  unleashed in its undeclared war on White people. He describes how he came to despise Noam Chomsky — someone who he once admired — as he discovered through correspondence with him that Chomsky is just another jewish shill trying to distract people away from 9/11 and it being a jewish false flag event. 

 

Also discussed is the jewish engineered invasion of Europe by the Third World and how that has affected Germany, where he lives  — KATANA.]

 

[21/56 Minutes Now Complete]

 

 

 

 

 

Andrew Hitchcock

 

with

 

Alfred Schaefer

 

This is Not a Game

 

 

 

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Published on Nov 21, 2017

 

 

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The Andrew Carrington Hitchcock Show (483)

Alfred Schaefer – This is Not A Game!

 

 

In today’s show originally broadcast on November 21, 2017, EuroFolkRadio’s Andrew Carrington Hitchcock interviews Alfred Schaefer for a show entitled, “This is Not A Game!”

 

We discussed: Alfred’s dialogue with Noam Chomsky; Alfred’s videos; the police raids on Alfred’s home; the persecution of Ursula Haverbeck; how the authorities in Germany fear taking people to trial; how there is a media blackout on free speech trials, so the general public don’t realize their rights of free speech are being taken away; how Germany has changed dramatically due to mass immigration from the Third World; how Ethnic-Europeans have excelled historically when we are under pressure; how the fiat money system will soon collapse; how Angela Merkel got back into power; and many other topics.

 

 

 

TRANSCRIPT

(56 mins)

 

 

[00:22]

 

You are listening to TBR radio, brought to you by The Barnes Review.

Now the Andrew Carrington Hitchcock Show with your host, Andrew Carrington Hitchcock.

 

 

Andrew: Hello everybody. I’m very pleased today to have a guest back on who I wanted to have on for a while, and he’s very graciously, I’ve only phoned him up about fifteen minutes ago, because I had a guest I was going to call who is sadly unwell at the moment. So I thought, well now that I’m doing seven shows a week and I have to record them in five days, it’s important that I get people where I can. And this gentleman has kindly agreed to come on a short notice. And we’re going to talk about a variet of issues. I’m going to bring him up right now. He is Alfred Schaefer in Germany. Alfred are you with me?

 

Alfred: Yes! Here I am Andy. And thanks for calling me up. Thank you.

 

Andrew: well thank you so much for agreeing to do this Alfred. It’s a real great help to me. And this is by no means that you were sort of in reserve, it was just a case of I wanted to have you back on and we had the opportunity. And this is something I think is going to happen at points now in the future, because where I was in the past, I was recording five shows a week, you know, if I miss a day could always maybe get a couple on another day. Now I’m a lot more limited on time. So thank you as I say for stepping in. And if you could start off with any websites that you have for the listeners.

 

Alfred: No, I don’t have any of my own websites. What my activity has been in the past was making videos, which came about after, … Well my first video was the “9/11 Gate Keepers and the Controlled Opposition”, which resulted after I had an e-mail dialogue with Professor Noam Chomsky. And after, I was absolutely appalled at his behavior, watching him deflect away and not answer the questions about WTC 7 — that’s pertaining to 9/11. And that was in, I think, 2013. And this dialogue was just after I had met Christopher Bollyn. And he’s the top investigative journalist for 9/11. And he helped me with this dialogue, because this went back and forth a few times. And the answers that this professor Noam Chomsky gave me proved to me beyond any doubt, that he is deliberately deceiving and keeping us, and leading us, basically down the garden path, away from the facts, away from the logical conclusions that one comes to when one sees the evidence.

 

[03:05]

 

And then I had this dialogue on my desk and says, well that we can’t just let it, you know, drift away and down the memory hole, we have to do something with it. And after some time I realized I’ve got to make a video out of this. And that was basically how my own video career started.

 

And then after making that video then I thought, “Oh boy! Now they are going to come and get me for sure”, but nothing happened! They didn’t ever come and get me! And then material started piling up again, and again, and then I thought I’ve got so much stuff here I’ve got to make another video! And then I made my “Brainwashing Number One”. I was going to make a series out of it, of this, and I called it. “9/11 Brainwashing”. And that’s how just one video, you know, a had to make one video, after the other, as the material piled up.

 

And at the point we are now, is they have raided me twice now. The last time — I’m living here in Germany — the last time they raided me with a troop of well armed thugs, I call them. And they stormed in here at six o’clock in the morning and they stole everything they could find that was either, computing equipment, storage devices, and all of my studio equipment, and the microphones, everything! They just cleaned me right out completely!

 

And while they were doing that, I gave them a two hour lecture, because it took they were here for about two and a half hours cleaning everything out. And I told them — I took two hours — I told them what treason is! I told them what theft is! And I asked them how they explain their act, their job, what they’re doing, to their children? I asked them, you know, I told them why didn’t you learn something decent? Like learned, you know, be a baker, be a mechanic, or something, but you chase “Holocaust” deniers and steal their equipment? I mean, how do you tell your kids about that?

 

So, you know, you have to look at these attacks on us as opportunities to educate the attackers, so they will start to, … Basically we have to subvert them with the truth and shame them so they don’t never do that again! I don’t know if I’ve been successful with these guys, but I do know, that throughout all of our security apparatuses, they are extremely demoralized. And people are, they can’t take it anymore. They know that they’re being treasonous. And that shows that we’re being successful, and these things are accelerating now. So your call right now, is actually very timely.

 

Andrew: Excellent! Well thank you for running through all that Alfred. Firstly do have, you talk about the videos, do you have a particular YouTube channel?

 

[05:52]

 

 

Alfred: Well, my channel, it’s been censored in the European countries, anyway. It’s Alfred S [YouTube channel name], actually, you know, just the name that I just had.

 

But my videos, they’ve been reloaded on other channels and now we are making DVD’s that I’m, you know, sending out, and people are making copies and stuff like that. And a lot of the work now is actually just connecting the dots, by writing things, like emails, you know, putting the pieces together with large distribution lists, and stuff like that. So the thing is if we have a YouTube channel and they censor it, then, of course, we’re using the jewish infrastructure and then they can just shut it down. So we have to bypass these channels. And so my channel, most people will not be able to find it here in Europe, unless they bypass the censorship somehow. Which you can do it but, you know, I can’t go into all the tricks on how to do that right now.

 

But you could find my [videos] just by keying in my name “Alfred Schaefer”. And then something like “Holocaust”, “Alfred Schaefer Holocaust” or “Alfred Schaefer 9/11”and you’ll probably find [me]. Once you find one you can find the rest as well.

 

Andrew: Well, funnily enough, I just typed in “Alfred S YouTube” into Google and it comes up right at the top at the moment. So I will certainly put a link to, as well into the post for this show. Now you mentioned about, you know, these authorities, and you basically said:

 

“How can you explain your actions to your children?”

 

I mean, if we look at the case of Ursula Haverbeck, and it just goes to show how utterly sick these people are! You know, if Ursula Haverbeck said that the moon was made of green cheese, people would have absolutely no problem with her opinion. But the only opinion that can be criminalized at the moment, of course, this is at the moment, on an alleged historical event, is anything relating to this alleged “Holocaust”. And we’re talking about an eighty eight year old woman that they keep rolling out in front of the courts, to put her in jail! I mean, how can an eighty eight year old woman giving views on history, be worthy of sending her to jail, for what could be a life sentence?

 

See post: Ursula Haverbeck “The Greatest Problem of Our Time” — TRANSCRIPT

 

It can only be explained that these people are truly evil! They have absolutely no compassion for the elderly, and they have absolutely no willingness to let people have free speech! If their story of this alleged event is so true, then they wouldn’t be running around trying to goal people who express any different view on the event! What are your thoughts on that Alfred?

 

Alfred: Yeah, I’m glad you brought that up. You know, I met those Ursula Haverbeck, about, I guess it must have been about a month ago, or so. And I was at a place and I made my presentation there, about psychological warfare, and she was also there. And when we parted ways I told her, I said:

 

“We’re going to win this one, hands down, like we’re not just going to give up!”

 

And she grinned from ear to ear and said:

 

“And I’m not going to jail!”

 

And just laughed like a little schoolgirl! I mean, she is so full of energy, you know. I think everybody would like to have a grandmother like that!

 

 

[09:04]

 

 

But that’s the case, you see. They like to scream, they used to always scream out every couple months so, you know:

 

“Oma [grandmother] has to go! Nazi oma goes to goal!”

 

She never went to goal! She has not spent a single day in prison! And in fact the last court appearance, just to show you where we are with our waking up of people and how the people involved in this treason, where they are on this, the judge passed a sentence saying:

 

“I’m going to give you six months, in prison, but this is a meaningless sentence, because you will appeal it anyway. And, by the way, I have read the book from Gerard Menuhin, ‘Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil’”.

 

 

And so they have to obey the law, because that’s their job, but they are admitting right there and then, that they are doing something extremely evil, and they don’t want to be involved in it. So what they’re saying:

 

“Okay, I’m going to past this sentence on you, but it’s meaningless, because you are going to appeal anyway and we’ve read the book that you are quoting from!”

 

So they’re basically conceding defeat! And this is the message we have to get out there, is that the people who are in the judiciary are conceding defeat! And what happens then, is that the perpetrators, the jews, the talmudic jews, they don’t have anybody doing the dirty work for them anymore and have to come out themselves!

 

I’ll give you an example. Just after they raided me and stole all of my equipment, I got a “Strafe Rechtsordnung” [sp] which means an order for punishment from a, I call it a transvestite, I call it a “kike dyke”, a transvestite, or a lesbian in Dresden, who calls herself the state prosecutor. And they wanted five thousand euros from me, for so having said something I never even said. And this was also a case that’s very interesting to me.</span

See post: Greetings from Dresden

 

Now Dresden, I was there last year, or less than a year ago, and I gave a speech in commemoration of the bombing in Dresden, the fire bombing which was a real “Holocaust”. And I had told them that they had replaced the original memory of what actually happened there. And as I was growing up in Canada and they had replaced that with these pathetic silly stories about the Germans having made shrunken heads, soap and lampshades, out of the jews. And the thing is they could tell us these obscene ridiculous stories in the West, because we believed everything that we were told. But, in the east behind the Iron Curtain, which was communist, which was a jewish construct, communism, they were skeptical, because they knew they were being lied to. And they would never have been able to tell them those stories, because they would never believe such nonsense! And this judge, or state prosecutor [in Dresden], that was behind the Iron Curtain, so they never heard these stories about the soap, and lampshades, and shrunken heads. And in German if I say I said “Seife” which is soap and “Seide” which sounds very similar, is silk.

 

[12:02]

 

So she listened to the police recording of my speech there, and then she tried to quote me and said that I claimed that we were taught that they made “lampshades, shrunken heads, and silk out of jews”! Now how can you make “silk” out of jews? You can’t even make soap out of jews, so how do you make silk out of jews? [Andrew chuckles]

 

So, when I got that “Strafe Rechtsordnung” [sp], I just sent it back and said I appeal that — I have to do that very quickly, because if I don’t do it really fast, the automatic process kicks in and then they will come in to steal my money. So I sent it back. Now I have to have a real trial, but and I have put this publicly out, in e-mail, all over the place. And I got a number of offerings from lawyers, they said, we’ll represent you, you know. But there’s not going to be a trial, because they know, they fear a trial the way that the devil fears, you know, or the way a vampire fears the sunlight! They don’t want trials!

 

See post: Horst Mahler — Speech Before Returning to Prison — TRANSCRIPT

 

And like, when they threw Horst Mahler in prison, they got him on an existing order for imprisonment. But they really don’t want any new trials, because every trial now exposes their obscene, pathetic, lies more and more. And I, for one, I’m not holding my mouth on this, and I speak openly about this, and I use the proper language and the proper words. I call them “thought police”, I call it “Inquisition”, and I never, … As soon as any of these control words come at me, like they say:

 

“You’re a “Holocaust” denier!”

 

Then I say:

 

“Well geez, I ever glad you don’t confuse me for someone, weak, so weak in their brain that they would still believe that nonsense! ”

 

And then I say:

 

“The whole world is waking up and laughing about the fact that there might still be a few Germans that believe that, but please don’t ever confuse me for one of those!”

 

Andrew: I agree. I mean, the only concern I have with what you say is the case of Jez Turner in the UK. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that. But what they been doing here, … He’s been accused of saying that the jews have been controlling the UK for over one hundred years, etc., But what they do, is they don’t report in any of the mainstream media, so if they do end up giving him a goal sentence — I mean, there was another guy called Lawrence Burns that they did this too. And the only place you could read his story, about the trial, and the fact he been sent to prison for three years, was in the Cambridge Evening Post. Which I’ve never even heard about. It’s a local newspaper, you know, just for people living in Cambridge. And so, this is a way these jews control things.

 

If they were actually publishing stories of how they’re locking people up in the UK, left, right, and center, because they said something that they don’t like, then the general public would probably start to say:

 

“Well, hang on, I thought that we had our democratic right to free speech.”

 

That they are always saying. And quite honestly, if this guy said something and, you know, I’m a liberal and I don’t agree with that, I still don’t think that someone should go to jail at all, for saying something. Because I know that he’s wrong, you know, and that would be their belief system. You see what I mean? But they are now actually starting to jail people for their belief system!

 

 

[15:10]

 

 

 

I think a lot of people who are on the left would actually stand up for these people and that’s why they don’t report it in their media. Do you have a similar situation in Germany? I mean, they keep rolling out the Ursula Haverbeck story in the UK. And things like the Daily Mail. So they tackle that, but how often do they I publish these stories in Germany, or is there a media blackout, like there is in the case of Jez Turner in the UK?

 

Alfred: There’s a media blackout. They only report that which reinforces their own, you know, instilling fear into the people, and so forth. There’s not a word of the police raid against me, or anything. They’ll never report on that! No, because they couldn’t report that without people saying:

 

“What’s going on?”

 

They’re trying to basically hide, genocide us, or prepare us for our own genocide, in quiet. No one is supposed to know about it. This is how the jews do it. I mean, if you look in their Talmud and their own Protocols, they even say that. The people will be delivered to you for slaughter and then there will be rivers of blood! Well, that’s how they do it. They do this without us knowing what’s happening. And then, until there’s really real massacres and bloodshed — and that’s what they’re setting us up for.

 

I mean, at the same time that they don’t let us say anything anymore, they are sending out videos in Arabic, throughout the Arab world, instructing them exactly how they can circumvent any kind of problems in Europe. And that if they’re here for six months and they’re guaranteed to be able to stay here. And they’re really trying to, through propaganda, through advertising, to get as many people from the Arab world and even Africa, they’ve done the same. Get all these people coming up here, because they’re being promised all kinds of nice things. At the same time that they are becoming hysterical if anybody here so much as breathed a word of dissatisfaction, or discontent about what’s happening.

 

So that’s how the jews do it. But at the same time people are dropping away from the jewish media by, it’s an exponential thing. I mean, here I hear the comments all the time. People are saying:

 

“I can’t watch TV anymore!” or “You can’t read that anymore! You can’t buy that!”

 

I’ll give me an example. My wife, until recently, worked in a library. She just retired now, but she said even a year ago she noticed that magazines, like news magazines, that used to be special, or reserved for people that want to read it, people coming into the library would not touch them anymore! And she was always observing comments like:

 

“Oh! Who can read that? … I can’t read that anymore! ”

 

 

[18:00]

 

 

So once people have unplugged themselves from the matrix by not being plugged into it anymore, they sort of drift along with the installed programs in their brain and start to try to look for information elsewhere. So that’s the situation we have right now. And that’s why they’re censoring like crazy here now! Like I mean, Youtube is, all these jewish outfits are just censoring like crazy. But I always say, if you have a little child at home and you tell them not to look in this particular drawer, well the first place the child, if he’s curious at all, is going to look when you go out of the house is in the drawer that he’s not supposed to!

 

So that’s what they’re trying to do to us now. And that’s we, the White European peoples, have always been the biggest headache for these jews. And that’s why they want to breed us down with this massive influx of Africans and whatnot, because they figure that if they can’t really beat us, but if they can breed us down, then they can [will]. But we’re waking up now faster than they can breed us down, and they’re not going to get this under their control. So, we’re living in an exciting times and this is the reality that we all have to face and deal with.

 

Andrew: Yes. And I’m really appreciate your optimism Alfred, because I tend to be a lot more, I get depressed about this sort of stuff. Because, of course, they keep bringing more and more people in. I think some 675,000 immigrants into the UK last year, and then keep telling us that:

 

“Oh well, National Health Service can’t cope and this can’t cope, …”

 

And then we find out that most of these people are going on to benefits. And it’s like these people aren’t coming here to pay our pensions of the elderly, that they try and claim, because they’re being given all these benefits! What’s the situation in Germany with these migrants? I’ve heard so many horror stories about these rapes and, you know, people like Dr Lenoard Caldwell, I’ve heard, and he talks about how people won’t go out at night anymore.

 

Is this scare-mongering? How much of a threat has it been in your regular day to day life in Germany, with the arrival of all these immigrants?

 

Alfred: The change is dramatic! I tell you, when you go to any of the cities now, in the train stations, that’s where you see it the most. You will see almost like a majority of these, just invaders I call them. They’re just invaders! And it’s very disconcerting. And the thing is the jews like to they use whatever excuse that needs to be used in the respective European countries. A country like Sweden, for example, they couldn’t hound them with “Holocaust”. No! They told the Swedes all along, just the like in Canada:

 

“Oh, you’re so boring! You need multiculturalism so it gets more exciting!”

 

Well, they were right on that one, because now it is more exciting. The women go out and they get raped! That it used to happen.

 

 

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So. But all these people coming in they are they are basically draining our what we have built up and this is a process that leads to the inevitable explosion and when like some people are pessimistic, but I’ll tell you one thing that could maybe make you more optimistic even though they might be gruesome, but we’re a peons have always excelled when we were under pressure and this is now going to place us under extreme pressure until the zombies they will either get back on their feet and understand that life has a greater purpose than being a zombie, or they will be butchered and slaughtered because.

 

It’s the Europeans that built up everything that we have here and not the invaders the invaders are coming into an infrastructure that our ancestors built and we inherited. And we continue to build on that and they come in after everything has been nicely built up with our inventions with our money not a single one of these Africans would be anywhere here were it not for the fact that they were brought here by infrastructure that we provided for them that was stolen from us, or so this is basically the biggest theft and fraud. Perpetrated against us as Europeans and I am convinced that we will come out of it, because I know in European history we’ve had invasions before that we were able to repel and sometimes I think these repulsion of these invasions, you know, whether it was done over a period of hundreds of years so I’m sure that once and at the rate that this awakening is happening now, you know, a lot of people are going to go insane when they realize what the reality is, but it will also give a lot of people new sense of purpose and that alone gives them more power and energy than they ever thought they would have so so I’m optimistic I have no doubt that we’re going to get this sorted out a new mention of the television I mean, like yourself are calm watch the television anymore I mean, need to think most of the country was black, or Indian, or what have you with all the people who put on the television it’s absolute lunacy. But my concern as well ease, of course, rice mixing aspects, because we want to return these people to their countries of origin it’s nothing to do with height to anything not that we didn’t invite these people in the to support them in to destroy the rice and so if they’ve got any problem with anybody it’s the jews that they need to take it up with, because they’re the people that call says the state laws I should be bringing them over from their countries to invite all countries on the Tuesday, because the jews a stay at the death of the want rights, because the want Mycenaean device that kicked them out of countries over one hundred times in the history and so they’ve earmarked for destruction.

 

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Question is then. Thought. Where you have White women in the of shacked up with black men, or what have you and the having children with them, this is where it’s going to difficult, because you know.

 

We went through a tunnel country through it’s historical racial demographic So what happens with these people.

 

Well, you know, when this has the zeitgeist that we are where we are right now going through an explosive change in the zeitgeist and these people depending on the India Indian individual circumstances will have considerable explaining to do and will not exactly be on the upper end of esteem and so forth and that’s going to be a big problem for them, but I don’t think we should be concerned about that right now, because any woman who. Stoops to that level.

 

Well that’s not there’s consequences I mean, there’s decisions in those consequences and I’m not going to go into what the consequences might be, but I just don’t see much of a future for them, because things are going to get very, very tight and, you know, in war time when these things happen feelings don’t really count that much anymore I mean, when Europe was induced into butchering itself in what we call the wars, because the jews had been if you lated certain parts of Europe to attack the heart of Europe which was Germany. Where were the feelings there I mean, you know, there was so much hatred that was directed at Germany and then this hatred was only stepped up afterwards and now expanded to include the entire White race. And now I see like the UK, for example, they were induced to believe that they had been some kind of victors after this civil war which we call the, you know, World War to be that they were victors Well it got to look at the UK now and the UK it’s actually worse than Germany, you know, even the that’s why Germany is now the focus of the inundation, because they want to bring Germany down to the same level basically as the UK and that’s the reality and now I say this way now we Europeans need to understand we are standing with our backs against the wall and we are standing shoulder to shoulder and any animosity that we have amongst ourselves is nothing, but residual poison that the parasite that the jew has it’s residual poison of the jew as brought put into our minds and we need to put that aside and join ranks and deal with this, because our entire financial order is going to come crashing down every single field money system in history always has it’s end of life date and our jew world money world, you know, there’s this whole world financial order will come crashing down.

 

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Because you cannot bring in these invaders who are not producing anything, but are consuming things and productive workers who have a brain in their head get thrown in jail just for thinking, you know, and that system like that is eased It’s like a cancer it’s a self in itself up until the pain be reaches a level where the people just revolt and that’s it that’s the big revolt and that’s what we’re going to see in the very, very near future I think this whole thing is going to be playing out. Within one year from now it’s going to be unrecognizable I didn’t even know the awakening now is under recognisable compared to what we had one year ago and this is an act exponential process so I believe we’re going to see a very exciting times in the next six months eight months it’s only going to keep getting more exciting until we get that sorted out yes exactly in Assam not trying to be negative it was just trying to throw different things in on I don’t know what’s going to happen with these sort of people, but as you said, that. Not really our wish you all wish us to write the idea amongst the mainstream of what’s really going on so we can White cop all right she’ll problems insistence and say no we don’t want this and that’s where movies see things change, but then we look at things like.

 

You know at some point I think the place is just going to have to turn man and say look, you know, we’re police officers we can see all these markets are causing all this trouble so why we got them in our country, but what they do, of course, is I start putting a lot of Norm Watts in the police service down in the UK And so therefore you get a police service wise up, because they’ll say well this is a colleague of mine and he’s black and this is what the cue does they create all these programs like affirmative action, or what have you to hire these minorities into all these government departments.

 

Literally Mike all recovery more difficult on every level possible so we could almost see a splintering off where some White people within the security services actually do decide to come out and say This is Roland speak out, but again it’s getting that voice and he can’t predict how this a White shooting is going to happen, but we do know that it does happen, because it’s even talked about inscription that it does happen and these White nations are going to be experiences racial flood going into them so agree with you it’s exciting times I would just cite the listeners to just like your time and spread the word about what is going on to people so people wake up and they’re ready and then they’re going to be on the winning side, but certainly what you said about the UK I mean, we don’t have the volume that we’re having in Germany, because we’ve had this immigration. Coming in for a longer period.

 

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It’s been coming in they’ve been adjusting the curriculum in the store. To promote all the still of us to take on how to jump out for it and lost all to working full time in the N that ninety full on the job well I haven’t had to go on if quality a delight to try to hit on a me and it’s in every job, you know, twenty three years.

 

In this program in and that’s why they’ve created the rights mixing them all happy, but I think the some point we all to the White top right surely that is when the shoe is going to try. We will see what comes up then what are your thoughts on that okay, I mean, this in May and June this year I was in Canada on a trans-Canada speaking tour, and my subject was a psychological warfare and what I had observed on this tour which took me all the way from Toronto all the way to Victoria like all across the country fourteen talks in eleven different cities and people the things I was hearing were just absolutely shocking, for example, from several of my old friends they would tell me they had, you know, sons that were like twenty five years old kind of thing and looking for work and they were always being told the same thing highly qualified perfect for the job and they would always hear something like oh, you know, you have been privileged for so long now you must understand that we’re going to have to hire one of our visible minorities and you will understand and so there are so shocked by this kind of a response when they’re looking for a job. That they don’t know how to respond to that initially, but this is a this is an engineer and extermination of a syrup in peoples and we that’s what we have to understand I give you another example I was in Toronto and one of the people came he was about thirty years old, or something and he told me, you know, Alford I was just applied and it was an I.B.M., or something — I used to work from there to. And he said I have all the qualifications and then the last question the interviewer asks me something like Can you imagine working with a transvestite and he started laughing, you know, as a snickering is that what kind of a question What is that got to do with his job and then there the interviewer says Oh I see you have an attitude problems no we cannot take you he saw you can see how this subversion is just rot it is absolute destructive no society no society can survive that level of internal rot I mean, that’s like a cancer we have got a real cat and that’s the jew the jew is the subvert and he continues to subvert us until there is resistance and he pushes it and pushes it and pushes it until there is resistance so it’s oh this is a there’s no. There’s no a cheerful solution to this.

 

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The solution is going to be like in the United States the that the mean that is making the rounds in the United States is the following once a certain percentage of Americans. Understand only a certain percentage of what the jews have done to us the jews will not live to see the light of day again and why we’re there I’m going to just reach you I.

 

Mean that is really important in this. Right now it’s called Do, or die in the mind of every White American who voted for Donald Trump whether conscious, or unconscious make America great again bent make America White again we are approaching the defining moment of American history it is left to us just us to step up and claim rightful ownership of this nation and to show the people the jews who stole it from us and I will tell you this it can be done once we have the people behind us the war is already. Over at that point we can directly and maybe even peacefully reclaim everything that was taken from us, it’s a big job, but it is what all of this has been leading up to the final showdown us versus them so this is the mindset that is being that they cannot contain the jews cannot contain this anymore and if you just look at take videos, for example, that were done let’s say three, or four, or five years ago and how they were at that King people who were just exposing the truth about 9/11 and you cannot imagine they would be so auditions now anymore now they prefer not to talk about that one at all anymore just like when the thugs that raided my us here installed all my video equipment and everything there was no mention of the holohoax anymore, because they know that lie is through and they say that I am using my video equipment to do to do racial incitement I mean, how pathetic is that they were been inciting against Germans all these years, you know, last eighty years and siding against Germany now they’re inciting against all White people and they are talking about racial incitement I mean, how pathetic is that and I tell you one thing this mean I just read to you and that taken together with what we are observing that should give people a real purpose in life again they wait to fight for our survival and that’s what this is a fight for our survival and I’m convinced Like I said before that we Europeans when we are standing there with our backs against the wall we will be up to it I’m absolutely convinced!

 

Andrew: yes and on the subject of means our foot off salted all my Twitter every time something, or use hash tag it’s okay, to be White which is these flaws you probably heard about new and America and it’s such an important thing to do folks month cards to listeners who use Twitter through the same thing.

 

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Because it’s going to force these people out into the open an old like to demand defray with Jack that comment it’s okay, to be White then what they’re calling for is your genocide, because the only way out to not be White is if I’m dead, because I can’t change month D.N.I. So anyone who disagrees with that statement wants to kill you on a soon as we get these means out of these hashtags out people not never use the hashtag a lot from Twitter all of it there is use it to. Interesting articles for often that came out I was so impressed with it seeing the reaction from the left which can only be in our favor, or thought that he uses on every post it’s not right surely no one could say that this is a Rice’s comment, because I’m saying it’s okay, to be White if a black person said it was okay, to be black, or that it was okay, to be Muslim they could be treated to any sort of rights hate laws, or not that in a life of saying it’s okay, to be White, because the alternative is you couldn’t be killed, because that’s what they want if they think it’s not okay, to be White, but out for another subject I cannot understand to most people around the world cannot understand only if the election was rigged how on earth did Agricola Markel get back into power in the recent general election in Germany.

 

Well I think that has to do with.

 

You know first of all I wouldn’t I don’t believe the official outcomes anyway and it is only, because of the extreme censorship here in Germany that people are so what those people who still do vote I think I don’t know what like I mean, when I talk to people on the street, for example, not that long ago it was for that election that I was a two I was in a taxi, for example, and I told the guy in the taxi when I see this picture of Merkel I have to really hold back I don’t vomit all over your car story after say that and he says absolutely right on so people everywhere. Are they hate her the hatred against her is phenomenal so you ask me how she won I don’t know I think it’s been.

 

I can’t answer that I think there’s been a lot of fraud there. And if not then the people who did vote for her still got their crude for a moment they got their head shoved up their asses that’s what the problem is, you know, they’ve sometimes like the questions how how. How wretched does our reality have to be before people begin to understand that how the level of treason that all of our leaders are exercising against us I mean, whether it’s Cameron in the UK, or Merkel here or, you know, I mean, these people are all they’re all jews basically, or completely. Under their control and they have one agenda and that is our extermination in the end and once people understand that it will be as William Pierce said Dr William Pierce he says broom of fire will sweep them out and that’s what it’s going to be it’s going to be ugly, but that’s what it takes, you know.

 

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And then I also say this that when you. Get a flu, you know, you get sick like you’ve got a bad cold coming on sometimes you really feel like you’re going to die everything hurts and you just can’t do anything anymore and then you’re you figure out your White blood cells that sort of figure out what’s going on here they identify the invading bacteria and only then and only after they’ve identified them do they figure out what to do about it and then they kick into gear and that’s when you get a fever and then you convalesce you get better again you recover and afterwards not only are you back to full health, but you have an immunity to this disease and that’s what we’re going to be experiencing we are now coming down with a serious influenza serious colds the entire European nations throughout the world we’re now figuring out what the problem is and we’re going to deal with it and you have to remember that.

 

Until quite recently we our minds were so compartmentalize the that we believed the story about those bad Germans and Hitler was so evil and all of those poor jews I mean, this is just all complete and total utter nonsense that has been hardwired into our brains and only now with the advent of digital technology are we able to actually figure out what the what the reality is and that’s the same as we can observe everywhere in nature if you, for example, you have a monoculture of let’s say you just put corn every field on this planet you’re going to put corn on there well event, you know, and you say all this corn is growing just fine and then something comes along like a fungus, or of something, or an insect and destroys your corn and that’s it then your you go to waste land and we have had the jews have had a total monopoly monoculture, if you will, on. My hands they have had complete control over our minds and they’ve made different populations and different geographies believe different things and then they would incite these people to go at each other’s throats and that’s what they’ve done and that’s their munch all the time is we will have all others gang up on whoever it is who is needs to be ganged up on and that’s what we’re seeing now playing out against all European peoples is there they are putting programs in all these invaders their brains that are designed to exterminate us while weakening us too and we cannot resist I mean, for example, the Africans coming out from Africa they have been programmed to believe that German women any relationship with a German woman begins with sex that’s how they’re told they actually believe these things and they’ve been told while in Africa all they need to up there as engineers and doctors you don’t really have to work everything will be taken care of for you and I actually believe that plus they opened up all the prisons down there and have old people coming up here I mean, this is a very it is such up. Blatantly engineered planned to have us. Breed and bred down, you know.

 

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When people understand this ugly horribly obscenely ugly reality the response will be in accordance with what they’re observing and when you detect an obscenely ugly plan against us the reaction will also be obscenely ugly, but it will be what we need to do to clean us back up again and that’s what’s going to come that’s coming I mean, I’m sure of that I’m convinced of that yet what you sit there with me if the.

 

Deception the wall.

 

Oh yeah everything is by deception I mean, everything, but they got so sort of drunk on their own power they started making more and more mistakes I mean, the five dancing Israelis I mean, how I mean, no necklace take like that, but that’s only one of millions of mistakes and now they’re done they’re going has terrible and the more heist Eric and the more panicky they get the more mistakes they get while we are recovering control over our own minds again they are going into full high sterile mad madness mode and all the invaders that have come in here, you know, like this can like I just read that mean, you know, do, or die that I just read before this can be done peacefully actually all those invaders will be X. They will have the truth explained to them and they will understand that they are only they were duped into coming here and they have a home that they can return to and they will be returning there unless they can actually have a Unless they have a very good case why they think they can stay here and those, of course, well they could stay here then, you know, might that, but that would that would not be for you, or me to decide that will be for the future.

 

The powers that be then and put in place to decide and that will be done in accordance to the will of our people the English people the Scottish be. Well the French people German people I don’t think some negro from Nigeria is going to have a say in the matter I don’t care if they if he says I have a piece of paper and Angela Merkel invited me, or Cameron invited me, or whatever that piece of paper will be worth absolutely nothing and they will be able to put their case forward why they think that we should leave let them stay here when they have a whole continent of their own and this is the only home that we have, you know, and that’s that and that’s coming up this these discussions these debates these decisions yes and I mean, what you just said there was fantastic for it, because what you were minded me Elf is these people out there that will try.

 

Some Facebook, or what have you put you into a corner and well how you going to get rid of them how you can do this, because they want you to say something violent and they want to catch you all up that die and then running off to the authorities saying that you might speak kill will have you.

 

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And that’s one power to listeners to be very careful this is what got lowered sperms into child someone was sending in private Facebook messages obviously and provocateurs and then they could get into site things that he thought he was saying in a cipher, because this person had views on rice etc, but this person was just trying to get evidence against him that like to take the place and then say that they were offended by what he said, but they don’t at the moment and so, you know, what we do folks is when the spokesman at the moment on I don’t see myself as suddenly becoming a politician when all this is over we have all come to his back I don’t know what I’m going to be doing and so we can’t be part of the pressure now people to actually come out a default line how this problem is going to be resolved we have a political system out there that should be resolving this problem and it might be the listeners and end up becoming a political system. As I say we can point out the problems and we can White people up to the problems, but the solutions will evolve over time as they will be governed by the will of the people and the other question I’ve got a few Alford unbothered by just on the ten minutes left so if there is anything that you want to get into the show that you have and feel free to do cite, but obviously all these governments, you know, in the UK and Germany and throughout Europe in America there’s jews in positions, but they’re not.

 

So on that basis how come they all Whites through the will of the Q one want anyone stand up to them on I think that it could be two reasons One is that they were compromised and so they just go along with it and the other reason is there’s some Sampson option that we know that. They might not have just said well look we’ve got all our weapons pointed at you so if this doesn’t happen that we’ll take the whole world down with us, because I’ve already said that they’re going to do that what you will for someone like politicians.

 

German heritage your heritage don’t do the right thing by the German, or English people.

 

All of the partitions without exception that we have now are compromised those who are not compromised never get past a certain point okay, Now a lot of them are jews a lot of them are not jews, but are just compromised people with spinal as. They just do what they’re told and that’s why we will not find a solution in the present political system you also have to understand that you mock, or see is there also a jewish construct as much as is communism OK, because with caught with democracy you can get you can tell a people all kinds of lies and then they’ll make based decisions based on these lies so it’s just a nonsensical system.

 

And Another thing that’s important people have to understand is they have to understand the explosive change that we are going through is for ours that site Geist is concerned.

 

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Now, you know, need not behave the way you would have had to behave two months ago, or two years ago with the rate of change that we’re witnessing now and I know in the UK there’s. Correct me if I’m wrong, but they have a law that even if you look at what they deem as being radical right websites, or something too often you can go to prison for fifteen years. Now how obscene is that when you actually when they say even for looking at stuff they don’t want you to look at you are making yourself. Criminally, you know, guilty I mean, that is so pathetically obscene and those of these laws are only they only They’re made to make people fear fear just keep the chains that make them slaves are the chains of fear not people just get over this fear I mean, how are they going to prison if everybody stands up and says, you know, come on get over this nonsense the “Holocaust” anybody who believes that is God is going to mentally retarded, or something that can’t be normal I mean, what they do have put all the people in prison for saying that and have the negro invaders close the prison gates from the outside I don’t think so see that’s the reality of these the old the best way to face these things down is just face them down I could give you a little story, you know, you know, Shirley Temple I mean, in the states everybody knows Shirley Temple, you know, she was a child actor, very famous. Well I just learned recently that she was able at the age of eleven years to face down a jewish pervert see and when she was eleven years old she was invited into this jewish film director something his office, you know, supposedly to, you know, talk about her next scene, or something like that, and then he says, you know, I have this eleven year old girl and then he says I have got something made just for you and he drops his trousers, you know, in his dog was hanging down and as an innocent eleven year old girl she had the perfect healthy reaction she just started laughing, because she didn’t understand why. The hell is this and that laughing so enraged him and totally So he now is he couldn’t go and rape her as he had intended with so brought, you know, this concept is he is a is still a chain of thought was so brought out of out of order that he threw her out of the room and this stuff is all coming out now you seem like. If an eleven year old girl can laugh down face down an attack like that then we as growing European men and women should also be able to once we have a certain understanding of what’s going on. Just face them down! That’s why I call that kike Dyke that one in five thousand euros for me for as talking about silk in Dresden that’s why I don’t call her a state authority I call it a probably a transvestite, or something if they want to put me on trial then. For God’s sakes, but don’t come to me with that kind of stuff that’s insulting, you know!

 

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That’s why I say we have to learn who we are and what’s at stake our and higher ancestry that goes back to, you know, our ancestors they built castles they have, you know, they built it all are inventions everything comes out of the European spirit now these jewish parasites want to degrade as with our own inventions and have a bio mass of zombies that they can herd around come on that’s not that’s not our past it’s not our future it’s nothing it is absolutely nothing and we have to just face it down and that’s what we’re happy that’s what’s happening now are our job is to awaken people up to have them understand the dogs have them understand the big picture and get out of this compartmentalized way of thinking understand the big picture and then we will it’ll be it’ll come instinctively and no thought was going to be able to stop the reaction that’s going to that’s coming down the road it’s coming yes and I think the novel thing that people need to look at is look at South Africa the dying and it’s been on the black pool for just over twenty years now and it’s just the jet. Right and I’m not just talking in the tax I’m wants on talking in the general infrastructure, because even Dr James David Manning in the state saw that on the show he said blacks cannot build a city they cannot run things I just not want for that and people need to start looking at these societies and see what happens when you give power to these people what happens to what walls a first world country and it starts rapidly requests into Third World status and what are your full sold to South Africa situation is a multi for us to look at Alf what a multiple is a warning for us as to what could happen to all countries if we allow this current immigrant evaluation to continue on the plighted Well that is it is an absolute stark and dire warning, because when somebody says oh that’s racist I say Of course it’s racist I’m a racist, you know, you know, where the word racist comes from the racist was the word that the jews the communist jews in Russia used against the Russians that wanted to preserve their culture and their heritage their White people and the jews started calling them racist in a derogatory type kind of kind of a way and attach all these negative emotions that word that word is absolutely meaningless that is one of the many words that comes out of the psychological warfare department and we have to take these things okay, he said before if I have see something important I want to say I want to put this in this context if you are playing in a card game and this game is for all, or nothing and then fairly far into the game you find you notice you are playing with marked cards what do you do where you had better start calling out these cards and demanding an explanation and every one of these words in the psychological warfare Department are like marked cards you cannot win if you submit, or use these marked cards you have to talk in clear logical terms that make sense and do not start justifying, or excusing, or apologizing when these marked cards are flung at you.

 

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If someone says oh, but that’s racist I say what are you talking about what do you ask them to define that word racist and if they ask them What have the I asked them, this if Africans designed an airplane built the airplane and fooled and were flying the airplane would you get on that airplane not even the Africans would get on that airplane come on there, of course, there’s differences in the races and anybody who denies that is need to have their head examined, or they’re still they’re still.

 

Contaminated with this indoctrination that’s what it is there are contaminated with your doctor nation, you know, and that’s how we have to work in the future we have to use clear language straightforward and keep the emotions out, because this is, you know, don’t start apologizing and defending Oh I’m not a racist blah, blah, blah, blah, blah no ask them what that word means and ask them for clarification and then ask them if they get on that airplane that the Africans designed and built and they’re flying, you know, of course, they’re not going to get on, you know, and that’s all we have to work on. With pretty much out of time, but I’d like to hand back to you for the last comment you want to make to listeners what I just want to say thank you very much for calling me up and we are now very close to this thing igniting this tinderbox that we are in igniting and that’s where we have to get the maximum number of intelligent people with him with them a certain amount of understanding so that we don’t go completely insane, because this we’re going into a real crisis here and that’s what we need we need that we need the right people on our side and we can deal with it peacefully as peacefully as possible, but it’s not going to be possible without some bloodshed I fear, but that’s it I’m very optimistic thank you very much I’ll foot on the folks if I get a guest in the future notices Hoffa’s could to sell for false hope before you feel he pleased he was just fantastic this is going to be a long shot to write some pretty tough with some of the topics that he saw the and that the ability to come up again very soon some want to thank you all for listening on to be back tomorrow with Walsh and Paul I find that.

 

 

 

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Andrew Hitchcock – Erasing the Liberty – The 50th Anniversary Of Israel’s Attack On America — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Hitchcock with Monika Schaefer on “Sorry Mom” — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Hitchcock with Alfred Schaefer – How YOU Can Help Monika Schaefer! — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Hitchcock – Rosette Delacroix – The Kalergi Plan Decoded – White Genocide – Jul 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Hitchcock with Alfred Schaefer – This is Not a Game — TRANSCRIPT

Andrew Hitchcock with Alison Chabloz – “No Regrets!” — TRANSCRIPT

 

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[NOTE: This is a re-post of what I wrote one year ago. I will add updated material here, later.

Three building (WTC 1, WTC2 and WTC7) on 9/11 were destroyed by controlled demolition. Over 2,900 architects and engineers have come to that conclusion. Just look at the pictures below. The only people capable of doing that and many other necessary steps were (((insiders))), not 19 Arabs. Any Arabs present were mere diversionary patsies in this massive crime, that has since killed millions, carried out by organized jewry for the purpose of creating, via a War OF Terror,  a Jew World Order — KATANA]

 

 

Organized jewry Did 9/11

 

The 16th Anniversary, 2017

 

 

The Basics

 

 

When any crime is committed the most important thing is obviously to find out who did it. How the crime was committed and why it was committed are usually secondary issues unless those aspects are critical in determining who did the crime.

 

With 9/11 the “Who did it” part can be easily figured out by looking at only “one event” that occurred that day. That “one event” is the method used in the destruction of the World Trade Center’s twin towers, WTC 1 (north tower) and WTC 2 (south tower) . We can also include the destruction of WTC 7 as part of that.

 

The official story that these three buildings were destroyed by the consequences of aircraft hitting two of the buildings is childish for anyone not mesmerized by “authority figure” pronouncements.

 

It should be obvious to anyone with average intelligence and commonsense that the buildings were brought down by some form of controlled demolition. Look at the pictures and look at the videos. There are also over 2,900 architects and engineers who have stepped forward and risked their careers and reputations by defying the official story and going public in supporting this commonsense view.

 

Once you understand that some form of controlled demolition was carried out on the twin towers on 9/11, then that is basically all you really need to know about the events of that day. The reason I say that is because the ONLY group of people capable of carrying out a controlled demolition of those buildings and subsequently covering up that crime, MUST be a group that is IN CONTROL of the US government and the media.

 

Any honest and informed person of politics will of course understand that the US government is, behind the scenes, fully controlled by ORGANIZED JEWRY. The politicians on both sides are mere puppets taking turns to do the bidding of organized jewry and those non-jews (shabbos goys) that have been co-opted.

 

Now, there are several other roads one can take about 9/11 that will lead to the same conclusion.

 

But the “controlled demolition road” is very simple and obvious, so I would recommend that.

 

We do not really need to know any of the details of that event, for example, what kind of explosives, whether there were planes or not, whether they were remotely controlled or how they were piloted, how many “terrorists” were involved, what happened at the Pentagon, what happened at Shanksville, and so on, ad nauseum?

 

All we essentially need to know about 9/11 is that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, and that the only group capable of carrying out that, and the subsequent cover-up, has to be in control of the US government: in other words, ORGANIZED JEWRY!

 

Why did ORGANIZED JEWRY carry out 9/11?

 

It was to create the pretext, a new “Pearl Harbor” in their words, to launch The War OF Terror against the rest of the world, starting with the Middle East, but eventually expanding to include anyone or any entity that opposes the establishment of a world tyranny known as the Jew World Order.

 

Case closed, as they say.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDoGuLpirc

 

Watch this short (5 minute) video by physics teacher David Chandler. He gives a detailed exploration of the North Tower (WTC 1) being blown to bits in an unconventional (top down) controlled demolition.

 

 

YouTube Description

Published on Nov 3, 2010

Physics teacher David Chandler’s brilliant exploration of the North Tower Exploding WTC 1.

 

TRANSCRIPT

 

Chandler: The starting point in science is observation. What you are seeing here is what happened to the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the second of three buildings to collapse on 9/11/2001.

 

I use the word collapse, but words can be deceptive. What do you really see happening here? There’s a tremendous amount of falling debris, but under the canopy of debris, do you see the rapid sequence of explosive ejections of material? Some of the jets have been clocked at over 100 miles per hour [161 kph]. I will call them explosions, because it’s hard to find other words that describe what we are seeing here. The explosions are not isolated or few. In fact, they are continuous and widespread. They move progressively down the faces of the building, keeping pace with the falling debris.

 

Perhaps you can imagine a natural cause? I can’t notice that the explosions are occurring on multiple floors at once, over a wide zone, not in a floor-by-floor sequence, that might be explained by pancaking collapse. Notice there are explosions far below the point of collapse. Some are isolated and focused. These are often referred to as “squibs” and are commonly seen in controlled demolitions.

 

However this is not a standard controlled demolition. The building is being progressively destroyed from the top down by waves of explosions, creating a huge debris field. The destruction is in waves, not just in one wave. Most obvious is a rapid sequence of explosions near the visible corner of the building, but simultaneously we can see another wave of explosions much further down the face of the building, under the canopy of falling debris. Notice that both waves of explosions progress down the face of the building, nearly keeping pace with the falling debris just a few feet away. Slabs of concrete did not fall to the ground and smash to dust. There is almost no concrete in the rubble pile. Notice that the concrete is being forcefully ejected outward from the sides of the building already pulverized to dust.

 

Notice that embedded in the dust clouds are huge girders and entire sections of steel framing that are being hurled out of the building. The horizontal speed of some of the girders has been clocked at over 70 miles per hour [112 kph]. Some of these girders impale themselves in the sides of neighboring buildings. Some landed as much as two football fields away from the base of the tower.

 

What could hurl heavy girders with such force and give them such speed? Some people have suggested that the weight of the tower crushing down on the girders cause them to flex and they sprung sideways by a spring action. But we are not seeing isolated jumping girders we are seeing a major fraction of the mass of the building, steel, concrete, office furniture, and the remains of human beings, reduced to small pieces of rubble and fine dust and being explosively ejected in all directions.

 

Bone fragments are found on the roofs of adjacent buildings. The bones were not crushed in the falling mass, or they would have been trapped in the debris pile, they were pulverized along with everything else and blown out in all directions.

 

The NIST investigators have claimed that the top section of the building above the plane impact point, came down like a pile-driver, crushing the undamaged lower section of the building all the way to the ground. The top section of the building is however noticeably absent. There is nothing above the ring of explosions except for a fountain of debris. Can you see a pile-driver?

 

It does not appear that the building is being crushed by anything. The waves of destruction and explosive ejections of material are occurring over a wide zone that continues all the way to the top of what remains of the building.

 

The scientists at NIST did not model the collapse of the towers. Their analysis was gravely flawed in many ways, but the biggest flaw was that the scope of their investigation was artificially limited. They took their analysis only to the point of initiation of collapse, as though all that followed was inevitable and needed no explanation.

 

The scope of their investigation was artificially limited to what might have happened, or could have happened to begin the collapse. What they explicitly did not take into account is what actually happened. By limiting their investigation to the natural precursors of collapse, plane damage in the fire. They ruled out from the start any possibility of discovering evidence of planned demolition. In other words, anything that occurred during the collapse itself, such as the evidence you are seeing here, was explicitly scripted out of the investigation.

 

Any analytical model of the collapse, no matter how simple, or how sophisticated, is a bad model and bad science if it does not come back full circle to explain the actual observations.

 

What do you see?

 

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911 – The Jews Had Me Fooled: A Jewish Engineered Pearl Harbor

Organized jewry Did 9/11

Organized jewry Did 9/11 — The 16th Anniversary, 2017

Know More News — Christopher Bollyn, The Man Who Solved 9/11 — TRANSCRIPT

The Realist Report with Christopher Bollyn – Sep 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

AE911Truth – Exposing Those Who Covered up the Crime of the Century – May 28, 2023 – Transcript

 

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