Greg Johnson: I’m Greg Johnson. Welcome to Counter-Currents Radio. Today’s guest is Joel Davis. Joel, welcome.

 

Joel Davis: Hey, how you going? Nice to be here.

 

Greg Johnson: Joel is joining us from the future. It is, I believe, Sunday where you are in Australia, is that right?

 

Joel Davis: Yes, Sunday morning. Yeah.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay.

 

Well, I want to talk to you about your recent debate in the form of two articles. One from Keith Woods responding to you, and then your rejoinder to Keith on the NS question; does nationalism today need National Socialism?

 

And I just want to read a Telegram post that was quoted by Keith. This is you. And this is what he was responding for. You write:

 

“There was a long time when I at least partially concealed my National Socialist sympathies and tried to pursue ideological projects which could circumvent the negative stigma. I realised these paths wouldn’t work because they all required rhetorical and often actual compromises upon racial loyalism. At the core of the pathologisation of White nationalism is its association with the spectre of National Socialism as unique and ultimate evil. It’s simply not possible to avoid this association in good faith with without damaging the conviction of your own position. The only solution to this, if you want the White race to survive, is the rehabilitation of National Socialism. There is no other solution. Stop wasting time.”

 

And Keith responded with an article on his Substack where he raises a number of points.

 

And I thought what we could do is we could talk through some of his main points and that’ll give you a chance to expand upon your counter arguments. So let’s just begin.

 

Joel Davis: I also mention for the audience that I also wrote an essay of my own which was in response to Keith. But the essay was largely an essay in its own right, where I thought instead of just writing an essay, just responding to his arguments, I’d rather actually formulate my position on its own basis and then deal with some of his arguments at the end on the basis of what I laid out. So my essay is also out there if anyone is interested in reading that. But yeah, anyway, we can go, …

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, and I linked both it and Keith’s piece at Counter-Currents in the show announcement, and I’m sure it will be linked presently in the actual comments by our able moderator. So everybody should, of course, familiarize himself out there with both pieces.

 

So the main argument that Keith makes is that, well, there are four arguments that I can discern here. And I wanted to talk to you about this because I’m sympathetic actually, with Keith’s position on this and that I’ve laid out essentially this position myself over the years. There’s an article I wrote on The Relevance of the Old Right, which is a chapter in the White Nationalist Manifesto, for instance, on this topic.

 

So the first point that he makes is:

 

“That if we’re going to have racial nationalism today, ethnic nationalism today, that National Socialism isn’t all that relevant to it because National Socialism really wasn’t a pan-White nationalist position, it was a German nationalist and Chauvinist position. And that the National Socialists sought to aggrandize Germany at the expense of other White societies, principally Poland and Ukraine and Russia. And therefore if we’re really looking for White nationalism and that means self-determination for all White nations, it just doesn’t do to look at German National Socialism. How are you going to really advocate that as a solution for say, the problems of Poland? Are you even going to get a hearing for that?”

 

So I’m sympathetic with that and I’d just like to talk about your response to that.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, so I mean, first of all, obviously I’m an Australian and I was speaking from a more Anglo spherical context at the very least. If I was Polish, I don’t think I’d be advocating for adopting something as explicit as what I adopt in my activities here in Australia in regards to National Socialism.

 

But nevertheless the stigma and the kind of the entire ideological paradigm, the way that liberalism has been reshaped in the post World War II international order still affects Poland and Ukraine in ways that are kind of suppressing their ability to express nationalism as well.

 

Because at the end of the day they are within the American led international order. They’re within the Liberal world order, so to speak. They’re within a European order of liberal democracies which fundamentally base their conception upon a rejection of National Socialism and its tenets. And that extends beyond anything specific to National Socialism which you could differentiate from broader ethno-nationalism. It actually, the ethno-nationalist aspect of National Socialism is obviously itself has become stigmatized as a result of this association. So there still needs to be work done in a rehabilitation of National Socialism. Even if you aren’t going to adopt National Socialism as a full on ideological doctrine in Poland or in Ukraine or in Russia. There are actually pretty large National Socialist movements in Ukraine and Russia. They probably have some of the largest National Socialist movements in the kind of contemporary world, which is kind of ironic for Keith’s position or perhaps even your position.

 

But it’s not ironic from my point of view because you can see how if you were to view the Soviet Union as the bad guy of the story, well then that kind of changes and relativises how you would conceive of National Socialism from a Ukrainian perspective, for example.

 

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And of course, as you know, World War II went on, the rhetoric of Hitler and Goebbels and so on became increasingly more pan-European. The SS became increasingly a pan-European force. By the end of the war, the majority of the SS weren’t even German citizens. Many Slavic peoples from many of these nations, nations joined the SS and also many of these Slavic nations actually became allies of the Third Reich. And the rhetoric became increasingly about a battle to save Europe from Bolshevism and the idea that German leadership of Europe would be fundamentally better for Eastern European peoples, not just simply better for Germans. Now that probably isn’t an argument that’s going to appeal to the Polish specifically because of the unique circumstances there.

 

But nevertheless it is an argument that obviously appeals to a lot of people from Eastern Europe because a lot of Eastern European nations literally allied with the Reich, allied with it against the Soviets and sympathize with it up to this day. I’ve met a lot of people from the Baltic States, for example, who are very, they seem to have very strong NS movements in those countries, for example, and different attitudes towards National Socialism in those countries than a lot of other countries because of their visceral hatred of the Soviet Union and the view of the National Socialists as attempting to basically save their countries from the Soviet Union. So you know, and obviously you’ve got phenomena like the Azov Battalion and so on.

 

You know, I think this idea that National Socialism just can’t fly with Slavic peoples and therefore we need to get rid of it so that we don’t offend them to embrace White unity. I just don’t think that actually makes sense historically and it doesn’t explain all these phenomena I just mentioned. And additionally, the National Socialist movement, insofar as it exists today around the world, is fundamentally pan-European is in its orientation it is kind of spread across all White countries and it is clearly focused on race first and foremost more than any like particular kind of nationalism. Although the respective National Socialists of different countries obviously are nationalists with respect to their own ethnic group at the same time there is a recognition that our race has a shared destiny and that it isn’t just the story of any one particular nation, but it’s the story of the race and the civilisation at large, which is pertinent here in political and historical terms.

 

And additionally a point that I made in my essay was that I’m not even going to, I mean, I didn’t necessarily agree with the characterisation that Keith made. I think he cherry picked a little bit because there are counter examples of statements from, for example, Alfred Rosenberg, who was in charge of the Eastern Front, which were sympathetic and made concrete plans towards creating, for example, a post-war Ukrainian nation in the event of German victory and so on.

 

This idea that they were just going to roll in there and genocide the Slavs is a bit of a meme, a bit of a construction of post World War II propaganda. Like General Plan Ost, for example, in my opinion is a fabrication. But I didn’t want to get bogged down in these historical arguments because the most core and fundamental argument, which I think and most relevant argument, because I mean, there was anti-Slavic attitudes in Germany and there was mistreatment in the war. That’s just a fact. So nevertheless, the more pertinent argument is that what concretely was World War II about? What it concretely was about was who was going to lead Europe, who was going to run Europe.

 

And basically what happened was that Europe was divided on the one side to American influence, on the other side to Soviet influence. And it’s clearly been a disaster for our race. Europe under American or Russian or Soviet rule is far worse off than a Europe under German rule, particularly under the rule of a Germany that was embodying the values of National Socialism and therefore of racialism in probably its most extreme possible form. There would simply not have been the tolerance of racial aliens on the European continent under German rule, just simply wouldn’t have been tolerated.

 

In fact, the jews probably would have been expelled from Europe had the Germans won in almost in entirety. So Europe would have become racially purified under German rule. I think that is completely, that’s pretty uncontroversial statement to make.

 

Whereas effectively under American rule or under Soviet rule, I mean, under the Soviet rule, it actually more or less fared better from a kind of just purely racial stance. But you know, as the phrase goes, you know:

 

“Communism rots the body, but liberalism rots the soul.”

 

The development of Western liberalism in the post World War II time period has been the most horrible thing to ever happen to Europe in its entire history! American rule over Europe, which is now almost total, has basically led to a situation in which there’s a kind of like a kind of a mass suicide occurring due to state sponsored, like American State sponsored subversion of institutions, projects of de-Nazification, etc, the necessity for the Americans to in their view to compete with the Kremlin aligned Left in Europe, in Western Europe by basically funding into existence an even more destructive form of Leftism which conservatives call “Cultural Marxism” or whatever. And you can debate whether that’s a legitimate phrase. But we all know what we mean by that. I mean that’s just objectively what happened.

 

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So the Germans were fighting for a Europe that would be under their control. And yes, that would mean for them to assert their control. You know, you can’t make an omelette without cracking some eggs. That’s just the reality of war. Like in order for Germany to become strong enough to rule Europe, it needed to expand from its shrunken borders after the First World War. It needed to basically become strong enough to compete with rising superpowers to the East and West, namely the US and the USSR. That required a degree of expansion. That’s what the geopolitical logic was in when it came to that. And it also required a kind of you could say an imperialism. It required, you know, Germany asserting itself over the continent writ large as opposed to just simply bunkering down in Germany and saying:

 

“Well, you know what’s going on in the rest of Europe isn’t our business, we’re just going to focus on Germany.”

 

Well, the reality is that would be naive because the Soviet Union had expansionist designs, that can’t be denied. And they demonstrated it very clearly. And there was ambitions in the American elite to use their influence to basically reshape the entire global international order. So you know, these were powers that were universalist in nature that had larger ambitions than simply being concerned with themselves.

 

So in order to confront these twin threats, the Germans had to figure out a foreign policy and had to figure out an orientation that would enable them to compete for basically European domination. There was no other state in Europe that was capable of taking on that responsibility other than the Germans.

 

So to me, when I look at this in a kind of realistic way, and then also pair that to the fact that for me, German National Socialism wasn’t just like some aberration of the 1920s, but was instead a concrete manifestation of a far deeper historical process whereby the German nation rejected many core elements of the Enlightenment. And that gripped obviously the Anglo-American and French world. To me, the Germans were simply asserting a different form of consciousness, a European particularism and obviously a racial particularism against the encroachment of universalist political projects that now due to their success, are literally threatening the very survival of our race and have reduced Europe to its weakest position perhaps ever! At least in recent centuries.

 

So I think when you take that into consideration holistically, it becomes a lot easier to sympathize with the Germans. And I’ve got nothing against Polish people or against Slavic people. And I even said in my essay, you know, developments in racial science have shown that so-called Slavic peoples, and that’s a bad determination because Slavic is a language group, that kind of groups together people that it can be quite genetically different.

 

But you know, Eastern Europe, northern Eastern European, like the kind of northeast of Europe, people native to that area are actually incredibly genetically similar to people from northwestern Europe and far more similar than either of them are to people from southern Europe actually. And particularly Polish people and German people, they’re actually very genetically similar.

 

So the racialist science of the 19th century, that wasn’t informed by genetics in the same way that contemporary racialist science I think exaggerated these distinctions.

 

But you know, even in Chamberlain, I remember reading in Chamberlain in Foundations of the 19th Century, which is obviously foundational proto-National Socialist text, very influential, you know, he saw the Slavic people as a branch of the Aryan race. It wasn’t that they rejected that the Slavic people were not White or not Aryan. They were just a different branch in the Nordic branch from his perspective.

 

So it wasn’t as though the prevailing thought in Germany was that the Slavic peoples were basically non-Whites or subhuman or something. Maybe there were some comments you could cherry pick, but you could also find comments to the alternative. But the point is that now we have a far more informed understanding and we can say:

 

“Well, actually we’re not that different from people from native to Poland or Russia, like the actual, you know, Russ, or you know, people from the Baltic states or whatever, particularly these places.”

 

And so we can be informed by science from a racialist perspective, you know, seeking greater Unity amongst our peoples and hopefully overcoming these historical differences through time.

 

Greg Johnson: That’s all well and good. The next question I have, and this is relevant. So I want to say it now while it’s still relevant, is why couldn’t you say from a very similar perspective, like if you took Frank Salter very seriously, his book On Genetic Interests, which is a very good case for nationalism, you can make a very strong argument for universal nationalism from his work and you can make a very strong argument for a certain amount of solidarity amongst White national nations and from that point of view. And I’ve heard this argument offered by a scientist I know who’s very into our stuff. His attitude as well, from the point of view of this kind of Saltarian politics. We just have to look at German National Socialism and other forms of 20th century and 19th century national Chauvinism and just say well that’s the bad old form of nationalism. The good form of nationalism today rejects that kind of Chauvinism and is things in terms of pan-racial interest.

 

I remember when I was getting into all of this got a quarter of a century ago, it’s been a long time. My background is in philosophy. I’m very interested in political philosophy and I was very interested in nationalism. I was interested in the case for nationalism and I was in conversations with a lot of people when I first sort of got into the White nationalist movement circles. I’m the first White nationalist thing I ever attended was a David Irving talk in Atlanta!

 

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And of course it was about World War II. And after I filled the first shelf with David Irving books and then a second shelf with other related books that people kept saying:

 

“Well, you got to read this, you got to read that.”

 

I started thinking, you know:

 

“It doesn’t seem logically necessary from a philosophical point of view that the case for nationalism stands or form falls on debates about mid 20th century history, because history and philosophy are very different things.”

 

Now I don’t want to argue that philosophy is entirely a priori or deductive or anything like that, but philosophy should be able to make cases for things like the best sort of political system for European man or man in general, without having to get off into the weeds about again mid 20th century history and specifically the rehabilitation of National Socialism on charges of being imperialistic and totalitarian. You can throw in the Holocaust and that entire branch of literature that’s connected with that, the revisionist literature on Holocaust. But more broadly, revisionism about the war, about the regime and so forth. I get why people are interested in that, but logically it strikes me that you can argue for ethnic nationalism based simply on a philosophical argument. And you could also argue for ethnic nationalism based on something like Frank Salter’s theory of ethnic genetic interest.

 

So where does the actual mid 20th century history come into this? And why do you maintain that we’ve got to rehabilitate the tarnished, stigmatized reputation of National Socialism?

 

Joel Davis: The argument that I made in my essay, you’ll notice it didn’t really have anything to do with refuting the Holocaust or any of these. And I am a revisionist on a lot of these subjects, but it wasn’t actually based in relitigating the Second World War, and was the Allied atrocity propaganda, legitimate or not? And all of this kind of stuff.

 

My argument was a dialectical argument. The core of my argument, I should say it basically had three main points. Point one is that National Socialism is the purification of the nationalist idea. That the nationalist idea has been kind of mixed up with many other ideological ideas historically. And this is particularly true when it comes to the relationship between nationalism and liberalism. You know, from the late 18th century into the early 20th century. Often they came as a package deal. Now that isn’t always the case. There are other examples. But often they came as a package deal. And so like for example, the refrain that I get as an Australian is:

 

“Why don’t you look back to the Australian nationalist tradition that created the White Australia Policy and set up the Federation of Australia and so on and created a White ethno-state in Australia?”

 

And obviously I do know, you know, studying the history of my own country very closely, and I do take inspiration from my forefathers and I value that tradition. But there is a key problem with them, which is that they mix their nationalism with their liberalism. Now that made sense in the pre-World War II international context, historical context, because liberalism, when it first came into existence, it was fundamentally an anti-monarchical, anti-aristocratic movement. That’s fundamentally what it was about. And it saw common cause with nationalism in many contexts toward that end. Because obviously it makes sense that if you’re trying to expand the franchise and empower larger groups of people, you can be speaking on behalf of the nation and say:

 

“The King or the aristocracy, they’re just in it for themselves. We here, we represent the French people, or we here represent the American people.”

 

And you can assert the necessity of a kind of constitutional liberal state on that basis.

 

And also there was other historical reasons, like you think about, for example, Austro-Hungarian Empire and you know, there’s a whole patchwork of smaller ethnic groups, many of which had nationalist movements agitating for self-determination. Well, if you’re agitating for self-determination against the monarchical order, well then it makes sense to obviously to appeal to nationalism and to liberalism at the same time in that context.

 

So anyway, there was lots of we can go into that. There’s a lot of context for that.

 

But my point was a dialectical point which is inspired a lot by Schmitt’s insights, which obviously are quite pertinent and relevant because we’re talking about the greatest German political philosopher of the time period when the National Socialists are getting their movement together, and he ultimately joined the party.

 

And Schmitt’s point in his Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy, which I believe was published in 1923, obviously it’s a broader text, but the core idea in that text is that liberalism and democracy have come as a package deal, but they’re actually based on core ideas which are contradictory. And that this contradiction will come to manifest itself, he prophesied in the 20th century. And that it was already beginning to manifest itself. And these ideas will become divorced from one another and realise they are actually in opposition. And what he means by democracy is the notion of popular sovereignty. And Schmitt appeals to essentially nationalism and frames it in terms of nationalism that in order to have a true democracy, in order to truly have popular sovereignty, you need a homogeneous population, because otherwise it becomes incoherent for the people to have a collective will. And he references Rousseau and how, you know, Rousseau makes the point that the general will, it’s not just the mere sum total of individual wills, it is the will of those who will the common good of the people.

 

So if you’re voting or politically active in the pursuit of your class interest or your minority, whatever group interest or your individual interest, you’re not actually genuinely participating in the exercise of popular sovereignty. You’re only really doing that insofar as you’re thinking about the common good of your people at large.

 

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And so that requires a definition. You need to actually know, well, who is the demos, so to speak, that is in charge, who is the people. And that then brings you to a nationalist position of a definition of who they are and who they aren’t. And Schmitt, you know makes this point quite well and convincingly in my view. And he says:

 

“Well, this therefore puts it in opposition to the contractarian liberal view which is built around notions of rights and is built around the notion of Parliamentary discussion between heterogeneous elements. Whereas popular sovereignty implies the imposition of a homogeneous majority and its will over the state. Liberalism is built on the idea of basically creating constitutional protections and normative protections for minority interests and individual interests against the state.”

 

And he said these two ideas therefore are going to be on a collision course. And my argument therefore is that what National Socialism was a concrete historical expression of the nationalist idea, completely divorcing itself of all liberal connotations and taking itself to its logical conclusion.

 

And so when it took itself to its logical conclusion, it turned against Parliamentarianism. It embraced a kind of a very anti-bourgeois orientation. It took and it wasn’t communistic, it didn’t, you know, totally nationalise all industry or something, but it nationalised finance. You know, it pursued a kind of autarkic policy subordinating all economic interests to the national interest and also basically building up national strength and self reliance for the nation to be able to assert itself as an independent will in the world.

 

And this also being tied to its cultural programs where all media that was foreign owned or jewish owned or whatever was to be gotten rid of they went in and they broke up the Freemasonic lodges. They banned Marxist organisations. They just simply wasn’t, they weren’t going to tolerate anything which ran counter to their conception of the German people’s will. In, as in its, in a kind of culturally purified sense, a philosophically informed sense, not just whatever German people are currently supporting is the German people’s will. No! It’s only the self conscious German people’s will. And everything which gets in the way of that self consciousness needs to be basically purified from social and political life.

 

And so this is a very radical project which is differentiated from liberal projects of nationalism. And liberalism, then reconstituted itself in reaction to it. So in the post World War II international order, liberalism has now purged itself of the kind of its old nationalist associations as well. And liberalism has also purified itself according to this idea of protecting minority and individual rights and has greatly expanded its conception of its duty to minority groups and to individual groups and radically suppresses majoritarian organisation and the assertion of the majority will.

 

And you get to the point now where most liberal elites say “populism is the greatest threat to democracy”, which seems like an absurd statement. But it makes sense if you see democracy as liberalism, as Schmitt conceives of it. When they say democracy, obviously Schmitt would say, well that’s not democracy, it’s its antithesis.

 

But you know, so according to that dialectical process, which I think is pretty hard to refute, according to that dialectical process, therefore the notion, the very idea of nationalism in its opposition now to liberalism, therefore needs to be contended with as an idea unto itself. And that is therefore mediated by the spectre of National Socialism. It doesn’t mean that every single movement of illiberal nationalism that can come into existence is a one to one copy of National Socialism. But it bears some association, right? It bears some association, very important association.

 

And also I would argue that it’s necessary for nationalism to take on an illiberal form in order to actually address everything that has happened to our country since, like the infestation of foreign races and so on that has occurred. In order for us to become truly independent of these forces it’s going to require a very interventionist state. It’s going to require a very active programme that is going to be highly exclusionary and is going to have to carry out policies which are extreme according to, like the sensibilities of the common man in today’s world or maybe in any world.

 

And so as a result of that, in order to preserve our racial survival, I think we have to then look to National Socialism as an example of the nationalist idea taken to its logical conclusion and say:

 

“Well, we also kind of need to take this idea to its logical conclusion. We also need to purge ourselves of liberalism.”

 

And so we can take inspiration from them even if we don’t want to copy every aspect. And obviously if we’re not Germans, we’re not going to copy their foreign policy. That would make absolutely no sense.

 

And even in today’s Germany, I don’t think would benefit from the same kind of foreign policy. I think now the situation that Europe is in is going to require a far more pan-European solution than ever before because Europe is comparatively far weaker relative to the rest of the world and is more interdependent than ever before.

 

So the form that it takes, basically the foreign policy of National Socialist Germany is the most irrelevant aspect for us today. The relevant aspects, it’s the process by which National Socialism rose to power. The process by which National Socialism turned itself against liberal Marxist jewish elements and took on International Finance and sought to create self sufficiency and self consciousness within the German people and manifest it in a concrete political form that crushed all of its enemies in the domestic sphere. That to me is what I take inspiration from and what is pertinent and what needs to be basically rehabilitated.

 

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Greg Johnson: So nationalism that’s anti-liberal, basically what you can call national populism today. What do you believe in terms of the idea of sovereignty? This is related obviously to Schmitt both in the crisis of Parliamentary democracy and also the one idea that everybody seems to know from Schmitt about the sovereign being the person who decides to be the exception. It seems to me that there are really two different concepts of sovereignty there and that the most important one is the idea of popular sovereignty. That ultimately what’s sovereign is the common good of a particular people. That is the criterion by which you judge legitimacy. It’s the criterion by which you judge policies.

 

Basically that is what populism is about. When people talk about populism today, they’re really talking about the assertion of the sovereignty of a particular people usually against a liberal, democratic political system that has battened on these societies.

 

And basically liberal democracy is the art of not giving the people what they want. I think it ultimately boils down to in practice minority rule. It starts out with protection of minority rights, but it ends up being the minority veto.

 

And ultimately that ends up being ruled by empowered minorities, political insiders, political elites, and hence populism tends to array the majority against the elites. So I mean there are two senses of the populace and populism. One is the people as a whole and its legitimate interests. And then there’s the many, the majority who are excluded from power by, and have their interests not represented by the people who do occupy power, which are the elites.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, of course.

 

Well, I mean obviously populism has a kind of certain vagueness in a lot of its manifestations. For example, if we look at like contemporary examples, like insofar as you could call Donald Trump a populist and the MAGA movement populist or whatever, you can see that it’s completely ideologically vapid. That a lot of contemporary populist movements are like this, where they kind of have this vague kind of appeal to heartland’s traditional understanding of what the country is and is supposed to be about and play to their identity in kind of vague ways.

 

But there isn’t really like a very concrete programme that is put forward or even worldview. And so when these movements get electoral success, usually they just become recuperated by the broader system. And maybe the system makes a few subtle adaptations, or maybe even not so subtle adaptations to incorporate it and kind of return to status quo. Which is like what we’re seeing now in the United States, where what Trump’s original movement was about and what it currently is are two very distinct things. I think what Trump’s success basically means now is a recognition in a large portion of the American elite for the necessity to move from a liberal internationalist to a realist foreign policy in order to deal with a rising China and all of its ramifications. And so that’s why it’s been tolerated.

 

And basically the idea that Americans are not going to be galvanised to really face the threat of a rising China on the basis of wokeness, but instead, [chuckling] or something, they’re going to have some kind of, at least the semblance of patriotism, you know, given to them in addition to the kind of assertion of American interests specifically, rather than just this project of like liberal internationalism, America as the kind of merely like the vanguard of liberal internationalism or something.

 

But anyway, that’s besides the point. I mean, the point basically that I’m putting forward is that National Socialism is a totally cohesive ideology that is actually thought through to its logical conclusions, and it is built off, … Well, if we basically purge all other kind of, all liberal notions from the idea of nationalism and just think through, from it up, you basically get something akin to National Socialism in any kind of equivalent context to Germany in the early 20th century. If you are to repudiate it from a moral standpoint, if you can say:

 

“Oh, well, I don’t agree with this or that foreign policy decision.”

 

That’s one thing. But if you’re to repudiate National Socialism as a tendency, what you’re basically saying is that the nationalist idea itself is dangerous. The nationalist idea itself needs to be immunised against working itself out to its logical conclusion, because its logical conclusion is the most horrible thing that has ever happened ever in world history. And that’s the Spectre that we’re living in.

 

And so the immunisation of the nationalist idea results basically in it being rendered utterly impotent. And so when nationalists have to constantly provide these elaborate forms of justification as to how they’re not Nazis. And why all of the aspects of National Socialism, which are scary are not present in our nationalism. Well, what that basically forces you to do is submit to the paradigm moral and ideological of the enemy.

 

And insofar as you’re doing that, you’re basically not asserting your own idea from a strong moral standpoint. You’re not providing a strong projection of will behind your worldview, which really is the whole essence here. The assertion and total victory of the national will over the state is what the project is supposed to be! Now it becomes known, negotiating from a losing position some modicum of national survival within a system that’s fundamentally built around literally the destruction of your people.

 

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Greg Johnson: Now, there are two points here. One, I don’t know how worked out a political philosophy National Socialism really was.

 

If you look at it, there were a lot of different tendencies. And when Hitler came to power, there was a lot of improvisation and chaos actually in the government. I don’t know if they had a system worked out in concrete political terms or in intellectual terms. There were all kinds of debates that were going on within Germany at the time.

 

And one of the ways to understand that is that this was part of a larger cultural and political movement, anti-liberalism, the conservative revolution in Germany and so forth. And it wasn’t necessarily a worked out political ideology.

 

But the second thing, and this is more important, I don’t see why it’s problematic for nationalists to say there’s a good kind of nationalism and a bad kind of nationalism. And the bad kind of nationalism is the nationalism for me, but not for the position [opposition]. It’s:

 

“Yes, I’m going to take care of my nation and I’m going to figure out all the ways that I can stick it to my neighbours!”

 

Which historically is what nationalism generally means.

 

And this is why you can get people who issue these pious lectures that the reason why we had the First World War and the Second World War was this bad old form of nationalism. And therefore we need to get beyond nationalism. I get that argument and I can say:

 

“Well, wait, but there’s another kind of nationalism which is not beggar thy neighbour nationalism. It’s not nationalism for me, but not for thee.”

 

It’s a consistent position that acknowledges that there’s a plurality of different peoples in the world with different interests and different ways of life. When these people have to occupy the same territory and compete for control of the same government, they generally start hating each other. And come to blows. Fortunately though, the world is big enough for every people to have its own patch of dirt, its own borders, its own state. And therefore we support nationalism, understood as the principle of self-determination for all nations. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

 

Okay, so what’s your critique of that?

 

Joel Davis: First of all, a very obvious point to make is you’re saying the world is big enough for every people to have their own nation. Okay, but the world isn’t equally divided, right? There is obviously some national territories are much bigger than others. Some national territories are more strategically advantageous than others. Some national territories have far more natural resources than others, and so on and so what this creates there is power is a reality in the global system.

 

So if you have some states that are incredibly large and powerful and some states that are incredibly small and dependent on larger states, you don’t really have self-determination of all peoples. What you have is a system that maybe could dress itself up in that language, but ultimately is a system where there’s some very big states that create orders of alliances of subordinate states in antagonism toward one another. Which is basically what we have. So that then has to then be navigated as its own reality. So in the example of Europe, Europe has been remade in the image of, basically American ideology in the post World War II international order. There hasn’t been a self-determination of all European peoples.

 

There’s been an active project of subversion led by foreign power to change the political culture and culture in general of European nations in order to make them more ideologically simpatico with American foreign policy objectives.

 

Greg Johnson: And I grant that’s an undesirable thing. And I would say:

 

“Okay, isn’t that an example of the bad old form of nationalism too?”

 

Joel Davis: But it isn’t nationalism. The American, …

 

Joel Davis: It’s imperialism. Right?

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, okay, so this goes to an even deeper point and again to bring up Schmitt again and his Concept of the Political. Schmitt, I think, provided a very good prediction and refutation in advance in 1932 when that book was released of what would ultimately be the Liberal international order. By saying that the doctrine of pacifism is either fundamentally non-political, in other words, no one is willing to actually fight for it, or it becomes, paradoxically and ironically, actually one of the most destructive and violent and imperial doctrines ever asserted. If you actually turn it into a political doctrine and you say:

 

“No one is allowed to make war on this planet because making war is itself immoral.”

 

What does that then necessitate? It necessitates an international order to be asserted to act. It proactively prevent war from breaking out, which requires basically global domination of the pacifists. Right?

 

Greg Johnson: I do think that you can create an international order that penalises people from committing aggressive war with their neighbours. And you could do things like the Persians did to the Greeks after they stopped trying to conquer them. I forget which Persian emperor, I think it was Auto Xerxes II, basically enforced peace on Greece by saying:

 

“If one Greek city state attacks another, I will align myself with the victim and put the Persian Empire’s resources behind them.”

 

And it did manage to pacify Greece for the better part of a generation. These things can happen!

 

Joel Davis: That’s the assertion of a powerful empire though. So if America comes into Europe and says, and offers the same deal, which I guess the British kind of were doing, that I guess you could say to a certain extent. Because it’s in their interests for Europe to remain divided as opposed to becoming dominated by one power and unified underneath their control into a more powerful state than the British Empire or America, then that obviously serves their particular national interests.

 

But maybe the European national interests or the European people’s interests are actually served better by becoming so powerful they don’t have to be subordinated or be mutually weakened to the British or to the Americans, but actually could become powerful enough to assert themselves and assert their destiny.

 

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Greg Johnson: I think that that would be highly desirable and that’s certainly possible.

 

Joel Davis: That’s the National Socialist worldview, basically one of the core tenets, which is that in order for us to assert our destiny in the world, we have to become strong. We have to become so strong that basically no one can get in our way. That we can become, basically develop sufficient national strength to the point at which no one can say anything to us. And that is the ambition basically of every great world historical state is to become so powerful that no one from the outside can impose its ideas and its culture and its power structures upon you. And that often requires expansionism to actually become feasible. That requires active meddling in the affairs of foreign peoples in order to achieve that.

 

And so this idea that the world is big enough for everyone to be able to determine their own destiny, I just think is false! And history is my witness. Because being a small state subject to much bigger states is not actually self-determination. You aren’t determining your own destiny if for Example, you’re a small European state that, yeah, okay, your people get to elect their own representatives, but ultimately your entire political process and culture is being massively influenced by a foreign state that is trying to impose its will upon you, because you aren’t strong enough to be able to build up your own financial, commercial, military, etc., institutions that enable you to become genuinely self reliant and self-determining in a totalizing way. Self determination requires self assertion and requires far more comprehensive, it actually has far more comprehensive requirements than simply having a nominal state called Germany, where the German citizens elect representatives.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, well, this brings into play another concept of sovereignty which I think is important to distinguish, which is you have this idea of sovereign states in the world today and there are 200 of them basically. And under international law, sovereign states are equal. Now what does that mean?

 

Obviously they’re not equal in terms of population, military power or anything like that. So in what sense are they equal? They’re morally equal! Meaning that they have certain rights vis a vis one another and that these rights can be violated of course, because having rights doesn’t make you bulletproof.

 

But the point is that the idea of a sovereign state is not a material feature of a state. It’s autarky, it’s invincibility, it’s invulnerability, it’s a moral concept. It’s basically the international equivalent of moral personhood within a legal order. And if sovereignty doesn’t mean that, if sovereignty means basically invulnerability and autarky, then there is no such thing as a sovereign state. Because even the biggest and most powerful state states in the world today are less powerful than the entire rest of the world if it unites against them.

 

And so if you understand sovereignty simply in terms of autarky and invulnerability, there’s no such thing as sovereignty because nobody is autarkic and nobody’s invulnerable.

 

Joel Davis: Those are ideals to aspire towards, like to become as powerful and self reliant as possible.

 

And the more powerful and self reliant you become, the more capacity you have to self-determine. That’s what self-determination means. That you are literally in control of your own destiny, that you are acting and expressing according to standards you derive from your relation to yourself rather than your relation to others.

 

And so obviously the more powerful you are as a state, the more capacity you have to do this. And the much more difficult it is for other states, foreign states, to argue the point and to undermine you. So that’s just a concrete reality. You can argue for this abstract ideal, but in the real world that’s just a fact.

 

And so what I care about as a nationalist is the actual concrete fact of how much self-determination my people have, rather than the abstract ideal where we could say:

 

“Well, wouldn’t it be so great if everyone in the world could all agree to these abstract rules?”

 

And it’s, well, those abstract rules in practice, no one’s actually willing to fight for them unless they’re getting something out of it, generally speaking.

 

And so the current paradigm under which those rules are upheld is either defended by the Americans when it suits them, or violated by the Americans when it suits them, or defended by the Russians when it suits them, and violated by the Russians when it suits them and so on. It’s not a genuine reality. It is a sham edifice.

 

So I’d rather Pierce through that and get to the fundamental and get to the real. And this is also why it’s important to come back to, I think, Romanticism versus the Enlightenment and German philosophy itself, which in many respects is a radical accounting of particularity and in particular national particularity.

 

If you want to look at people like Herder, Fichte, there is a in romanticist German philosophy tied up within German nationalist project originally in the 19th century was:

 

“Okay, we just got ramroded by Napoleon. There’s this giant British Empire that is imposing its commercial will on the world. We need to bring all these kingdoms together into a big German state so that we can be powerful enough to protect German national particularity against these foreign influences and never be run over by a foreign military in the same way Napoleon did, ever again!”

 

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And so there was a kind of a very strong movement towards recognizing all that is particular as opposed to looking for just simply what is universal rather than this ideal of well, how do we negotiate this international order according to universal principles? How do we actually find what’s particular about being German and what about our own self relation?

 

And again, the concept of national self-determination. You can see why this is actually way more relevant than what is universal about the idea of trying to universalise the concept of national self-determination into just merely a set of like universal principles that could be respected. Instead, let’s look at the actual concreteness of what is our particular national culture, what is our particular national consciousness? What does it mean? And how can it fundamentally be protected? And how can we fight for our particular, in their case, German national expression?

 

And I don’t care about the national self-determination of fucking Libyans. I don’t care about the national self-determination of fucking Syrians or Indians or all these countries that I have absolutely no care or concern for! I really don’t. I would not permit the sacrifice of one drop of the blood of our race to defend any of their nationalisms. I don’t give a shit about their nationalisms! I only care about the nationalisms of people whom I respect, people with whom I have some kind of fealty, some kind of kinship. They’re the only nationalisms that I actually care about that I find relevant.

 

And so for me, as someone who comes from a more romanticist standpoint, I empathize far more with this view that it’s from like, and particularly if you’re a German at that time, it’s like, in order for Germany to have its own culture and not be dominated by these foreign influences, we have to fall in love with ourselves and we have to build a political movement that is for us in particularity, because we’re the only ones that truly care about being German people who are not German. There’s a few Germanophiles, but generally can’t understand and don’t care about our national destiny because they don’t participate in it. So why would they? And that makes complete sense.

 

And then development of German thought. I mean, if you get to someone like Martin Heidegger, well, obviously this is actually quite this is moving into far more abstract territory.

 

But, you know, Martin Heidegger in his critique of technicity or the kind of technological worldview, technological and framing, or the kind of metaphysics of modernity, the reduction of thought, in his view, to a kind of ratiocinative calculating modes of thought fundamentally deprive us of having a kind of a relation to the homeland. For Heidegger, the homeland is something which actually is ambiguous, which is pretty rational. It’s related a lot to myth, to artistic forms, to spirituality.

 

And so, and this is very much what the German, like volkish tradition was also trying to drive at in its focus upon, you know, reviving, you know, ancient German mythologies and Wagnerian operas, you know, pertaining to pursuit of the Holy Grail, and which obviously isn’t particularly German, but it’s Germanic you could say, or it’s Northern European. It’s part of all Northwestern European culture. Trying to drive to like, what is actually the spiritual meaning of what it means to be German as opposed to just simply what is universal about all nations that Germans also possess? Actually, what is particular about individual nations is far more interesting and far more pertinent.

 

And I agree with Heidegger that basically this ratiocinative, universalistic way of thinking actually came into the world through the conduit of my people. It actually came into the world very strongly through the conduit of the Anglo English people. I actually do feel Germanophilic about this. I actually think that’s a tragedy. I think that’s a great problem. And it’s highly contributive to why we became a, not just in England, but in all of our colonial projects, we became essentially a power in the world that enabled the machinations of international finance and commercialism, and jewish ethnic interest and so on to become so monstrous through the prism of that worldview. Through a kind of loss of a spiritual sense of the homeland and our relation to all that which is pre-rational that makes up our identity as a people. And the Germans were resisting that process. The Germans had a lot more of a cultural immunisation and a high cultural immunisation against that process and a rejection of that process.

 

And so I think the Germans were the correct spiritual leaders of Europe. I think we were the incorrect spiritual leaders of Europe, which is what ended up happening Now. Europe has been remade in the image of our culture which is built, which is these notions of universal rights and so on are derived from. And it’s causing the suicide of our race!

 

And it’s also a worldview. And Heidegger makes the point that in the black notebooks that the jewish people, because they lack a homeland, their fundamental orientation towards the world is calculative, is ratiocinative.

 

And so a worldview they can inhabit, a metaphysic that they can inhabit, which is reductive in that sense, is exemplary to the accumulation of their power.

 

Whereas a worldview which tries to reach back into the pre-rational essence of the homeland into the earth from which our particular national world in the Heideggerian language, out of which it arises, but which is kind of mysterious and ambiguous, and not reducible to any kind of like, conceptual schema, that actually is the form of spiritual immunisation and the form of spiritual resistance, of the assertion of our national cultures against this kind of jewish homelessness.

 

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Greg Johnson: Yeah, there’s a lot to that. German romanticism, new German philosophy in general is very, especially the anti-Enlightenment strain of it, is very critical of globalisation, basically. And I think that that’s entirely correct.

 

I do think that the British mind, the tendency of Anglos is to mistake their full consciousness for the universal. And that’s very bad! Anglo-Americans, they really mistake their folkish ways as universal, and they think of themselves as avatars of the universal.

 

And that means that they basically promote the destruction of their own people and every other people, because they just don’t think that there’s any meaningful difference. I know that Swedish liberals are like this too. I was speaking to the Swedish woman who’s saying:

 

“Yes, you know, Swedes in their hearts, the Swedish Leftists believe that everybody wants to be just like them.”

 

They can’t fathom that there would be anybody who would want a radically different way of life and that therefore admitting such people into their societies could threaten it. There is something very peculiar about that.

 

But let’s just say that we affirm folkishness and say, yes, there are many different peoples. They have many different worldviews, different ways of life. And again, the best way to cultivate that is to separate them. Because we notice historically that when they’re competing for territory or government favours or whatever, the more diverse the society is, the more unnecessary conflicts that we support self-determination. You still get this question, okay, well, how is that kind of world going to be governed? You can be a complete realist about enmity, like Schmitt, you can say we will never have a world where there’s no difference between the insiders and the outsiders.

 

But you can still ask, okay, given that we accept that this is the world that we live in, what are the best ways of establishing amicable relations across a globe like that? If you affirm nationalism, if you understand that it’s in a way inevitable and you try and deal with the problems that people who are broad thinking face, which is how are we going to live together on this finite planet? You’ve got to come up with some kind of geopolitical vision of how these different groups are going to get along.

 

Joel Davis: So why is “getting along” just simply conceding to the other, like a really effective strategy in getting along with somebody is becoming far more powerful than them. So they fear you and are forced to submit to you. That’s actually a really effective strategy at people being very friendly to you is when they fear you. When they don’t fear you, it’s actually a lot harder to get their friendship.

 

So this idea that we need to have this universal nationalist ideology in order to get along doesn’t make any sense to me! What makes a lot more sense to me is how about we just become really fucking powerful and then we can negotiate from a position of strength rather than weakness in how we’re going to relate to surrounding groups.

 

Greg Johnson: And this is the situation that Whites are in today, and this is the situation that nationalists are in today. I get the image of George Floyd under the knee of a cop, under the knee of a globalist cop. And there are two ways that you can get out from under the knee of this globalist system, and only one of them really works. And that would be to appeal to whatever elements of fairness and decency there are in the guy who’s got his knee on your neck. Now that doesn’t mean that you can persuade everybody in the world, but there are many, many interlocking powers that are screwing us right now and driving us to extinction. And some of them definitely can be appealed to on moral grounds.

 

But the one thing that I know is never going to work is if George Floyd, you know, under the knee is saying:

 

“I’m going to kill you know, let me up and I’m going to kill you!”

 

And that I think is basically the position that you’re articulating. Because we’re in a situation now where we’re going to have to, because we have no power now. We’re the weak, and, …

 

Joel Davis: I fundamentally disagree that Whites collectively lack the ability to assert ourselves on the basis of our own strength. We do have that ability.

 

Greg Johnson: We do if we change our thinking about certain things, and you’re not addressing, I think, the predominant thinking patterns that stand in the way of that. And any kind of philosophy that smacks of “might is right” or something like that, I think is a non-starter for us today because we’re the weak! And if we believe that might is right, then we believe that we should be believing that our enemies are in the Right. And clearly we don’t believe that.

 

Joel Davis: That doesn’t follow at all! The reason Whites are in the position that we’re in is because of our own ideas and our own kind of moral proclivities. It’s not because of the assertion of any other group against us in a way that dominates us against our will. It is a willful embrace of these ideas. If Whites collectively mobilise the willpower to resist what is happening and assert ourselves on the basis of our own strength, we do have the strength to regain sovereignty over at least some territory, if not pretty much all of the like, our historical territories across the West. We are by far collectively the most powerful, richest, most effective fighting groups in our respective nations. Like no other group, even all of them combined would lose to us if we were organised and assertive on our own terms.

 

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Greg Johnson: What’s stopping us?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, so what’s stopping us? What’s stopping us is moral cuckoldry essentially. What’s stopping us is this universalistic world view that we’re debating. I mean, what’s stopping us is this necessity to process our self assertion through some kind of like universal humanitarian, abstract set of principles of rights. And that is fundamentally a bullshit edifice. It’s not, …

 

Greg Johnson: I don’t think it’s a bullshit edifice.

 

Joel Davis: And it’s derived in a fundamentally flawed worldview from my standpoint, metaphysically and logically.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay, what is that flawed worldview? Just briefly, where does it come from? What are some of the thinkers that articulate this?

 

Joel Davis: First of all, I mean, we’ve been discussing the kind of the concrete ridiculousness of a kind of universal nationalism that it doesn’t actually in practice realise the principle of self-determination, which is the core principle with which it seeks to realise. And so therefore it’s in contradiction with its own principle. So logically it’s just a non-starter.

 

Secondarily from a metaphysical standpoint, I agree with a Heideggerian premise that this attempt at reducing the moral to a kind of universal rationality rather than asserting one’s particularity is again I think fundamentally incongruent with the human condition as such.

 

Greg Johnson: Right, okay. Okay. Yeah, well, let’s start out with that. Okay. I look at Hobbes and I think Hobbes provides us with a path by which you start out with something like a self assertive group, or a self assertive individual with no rules. Right.

 

What did Trayvon Martin call himself? He called himself a “No Limit Nigger”. I think that was the term. Well, imagine a world of “No Limit Niggers” basically all asserting themselves against one another. That’s the world that you’re picturing. That’s the world that realists in foreign policy picture. It’s the state of nature in Hobbes’s terms. And Hobbes make a very good argument that actually if you’re rational, you will want to get out of that state of nature as quickly as you possibly can and establish certain boundaries, of limits. You want to have limits! You want to have limits because in the end it’s in all of your interests. And he actually makes a fantastically cynical argument for equality. As one of my Professors as an undergraduate put it, he said:

 

“Hobbes argument for equality is this. You might be big and tough, but you’ve got to sleep sometime. And when you do, a bunch of skinny guys can get together and shank you. And that’s the end of you. That’s the end of the high and mighty.”

 

And you could do that in individual terms. Think of the prison house, right? The bully in the prison. Or you can think of it in global terms, in terms of countries.

 

And again, there’s no country that’s so big that the rest of the world couldn’t get together and shank it. You’ve got to sleep sometime, right?

 

And that means that, …

 

Joel Davis: Well, I disagree, actually. I mean, Russia and the United States have nuclear arsenals that could completely wipe humanity off the face of the planet. They are in a certain sense impossible to shank!

 

Greg Johnson: Well, if people really want to go to the limit, they can be shanked.

 

But the point is that, and there is this odd little thing that’s happened that’s very disturbing to my view because I love to say, wait a second here. Nuclear arsenal, it’s the ultimate, it’s the ultimate ace in the hole. We’ve recently had a nuclear power invaded by a non-nuclear power. You know, it’s the whole Kursk thing in the Russia-Ukraine war, which is kind of extraordinary because I was really hoping that the you could basically hide behind those nuclear arsenals.

 

But the point is that, …

 

Joel Davis: That’s a bad example because it didn’t, wouldn’t existentially threaten the Russian state. I mean, they weren’t “shanked”! It was a minor border incursion. It wasn’t going to escalate to like dropping nukes.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, but here’s the thing that they, …

 

Joel Davis: They have designs over integrating into their own federation. And they want to win the public opinion of at least the people who live in the territory they’re annexing.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, well, but you know, the point is that if you, … Hobbes makes an argument that if you have a world in the state of nature, you will all rationally, both the very strong and the very weak want to move to a conflict resolution, conflict containment model that involves things like rights.

 

Now, of course, the problem with Hobbes’s view is that it implies the necessity of a sovereign. How do you deal with a world, and by sovereign that’s a decider. And how do you deal with that in a world where states are to one another, as Hobbes would recognised, as individuals are to the state of to one another in the state of nature. There’s no overarching power, so what do you have to do?

 

Well, they’ve been trying that for hundreds and hundreds of years, since really the conclusion of the Thirty Years War, to create international law and international institutions to deal with conflict resolution.

 

And there are two models of globalism. The terrifying, horrible model of globalism, in my view, is the commercial model where everything is interlaced on the levels of the economy of desire and everything becomes commodified and everything slowly becomes homogenised because why wouldn’t you listen to Taylor Swift all over the world if you could, right? That kind of bullshit! That’s a terrifying model of globalisation because it destroys culture and peoples.

 

But there’s another vision of globalisation that I think that we have to try and figure out how to make it work, and that is the “conflict resolution” model. How can we have a world independent states, and yet make sure that these independent states don’t spin out of control and create global thermonuclear wars and things like that? That I think is a reasonable enterprise. And yes, you want to be as strong as you possibly can given that these things might not work. Go ahead.

 

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Joel Davis: I mean, you bringing up Hobbes, I mean, is kind of crazy because the whole theory of Hobbes as you kind of just mentioned and then jutted away from, is that the only way to overcome the state of nature is for there to be a monarch that isn’t just simply formally presiding over some kind of constitutional order, but is actually concretely so powerful as such that it can dominate the entire social sphere and is powerful enough to deprive us universally of all of our rights, but then in the pursuit of peace, grant us a limited series of rights. That’s the basic premise. And that what we inherit from submitting and empowering the monarch to become so powerful as to be essentially impossible to resist is that we then inherit a set of limited rights.

 

Well, in the international system, what that would mean would mean that there would have to be one country that is so powerful that it can utterly dominate the entire earth. Now if that country is dominating the entire earth and it has an ideology that is genociding my race, well, that’s fundamentally unacceptable! Now if it’s a country that is dominating the entire earth and it’s like Nazi Germany, maybe I don’t mind so much.

 

So the question is who is going to be sovereign insofar as that cannot exist, you can only really have limited pockets of negotiated relationships. So if within Europe you have one all powerful state that’s just so much more powerful than all the other states combined with, they create a regional order, but you know, that couldn’t then be universalised. You know, they don’t have the power to dominate maybe the entire planet, but they can dominate a region. Right. Like in North America, America kind of functions like that. Like it’s basically almost impossible to argue with the American government from the perspective of, and they can just flagrantly just go and you know, just, the CIA can just like go into Mexico and just start like taking over, engaging in massive covert operations. And the Mexican government barely says anything because they don’t really have sovereignty because their neighbour is just so powerful that they barely have a very limited amount of sovereignty.

 

So there’s obviously the point that I’m making is that appealing to this notion is itself the refutation of this idea of that we can sit down and just have a rational discussion about the morality of national sovereignty and create an international order around that. No! The Hobbesian argument is that we can’t sit down and have a rational discussion about our mutual rights, that the human condition doesn’t allow for that. All we can do is create a centre of power so powerful that it can impose only a limited series of rights and it basically itself be elevated outside of that same order and have the ability to violate it, have the ability and become so powerful you can’t do anything about its violations.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah, well, I understand that, but Hobbes understood that right on the global level there is going to be no sovereign. And there were other thinkers who came later, really who tried to figure out, okay, how could we have, how could we model relations between sovereign European states in such a way that they can relate to one another without, …

 

Greg Johnson: That obviously failed, didn’t it?

 

Joel Davis: Well, yes and no. There is this notion of collegiality as a model of relationships. What is that? Well, collegiality means that they’re independent actors with common goals and interests, but no overall hierarchy that controls them. And the idea of the comity of nations in international law, it is basically a collegial model for sovereign states to come together and work out their problems. It’s remarkable, though, how many sovereign states have existed for very long times with no power at all! Some of the oldest sovereign entities in Europe are the tiniest and most powerless, like Monaco or Lichtenstein or San Marino. How is that possible? Well, it’s possible because, …

 

Greg Johnson: They pose no threat!

 

Joel Davis: Well, it be you could say that. Or they have friendly relations with their neighbours.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but they pose no threat and obviously don’t have the ability to assert themselves. And so therefore it’s unnecessary to develop enmity with them. Whereas the more powerful you get, the more enemies you’re going to accrue, because the more fearsome you become.

 

And also, I’m not saying that nations can’t be friends or recognise mutual interests. Obviously they can. And from my perspective, the nations of Europe should find common cause at this time in history, because we now are in a very different world than we were in 100 or 200 years ago, when the European powers were so far ahead of the rest of the world technologically that their mutual enmity really was the decisive factor of who controlled global destiny.

 

Whereas now the rest of the world has caught up and our race needs to come together to safeguard the future of our civilisation and culture, which is very largely shared. There is a very substantial aspect of the culture of every individual European nation is the collective European culture. In fact, I would say overwhelmingly so.

 

And so in order to safeguard our civilisation, we need to find common cause and put aside old differences which in previous bygone historical contexts were more relevant, actually.

 

And that’s why there were so many wars in Europe and why now there isn’t really the same appetite for war in Europe, but there still is a current war in Europe. Why is that? Because there’s still a clash between two, basically two fundamental power structures over the determination of Russia’s sphere of influence, NATO’s sphere of influence.

 

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And so, in a sense, what that demonstrates is that the only reason why you’ve had relative peace in Europe for so long is because of the domination of really big and powerful superpowers that have nukes pointed at each other and Europe’s subordination essentially to the American led international order. So that isn’t Europe creating this ideal of rational discussion where the Polish are coming and sitting down with the Czechs and sitting down with the French and working out their individual differences. It’s the fact that they’re all subject to much larger powers and so they’re not actually able to assert themselves and have genuine [chuckling] differences under these conditions.

 

Greg Johnson: Let me ask you, do you think that Europe will ever become a formidable separate independent block without one European country dominating the rest of the continent?

 

Joel Davis: Well, the reality is that when Europe, so let’s say America keeps going down this path of moving towards a realist foreign policy away from liberal internationalism which I really hope occurs. I really hope that this isn’t a temporary aberration, and I think it’s necessary because the rise of China is necessitating it. And the Americans get out of Europe largely, and Europe finds some self assertion in coming decades as a result of that and further European integration is pursued. And obviously they’re dealing with Russians to the east. And so they need to be strong and powerful to resist Russian advances.

 

And they also need to be able to provide their people with a political formula that can resist Russian subversion which hopefully moves them towards the assertion of Europe’s particularity, that moves them towards the assertion of their actual ethnic and racial identity. And we get policies like re-migration and the borders get shut. That would be beautiful if that happens. That’d be my ideal.

 

If we get into that kind of world and Europe starts to trying to re-inspire patriotism and develop a kind of a national patriot movements in various European nations that align themselves and build up independent military strength, economic strength and so on. When that Europe sits down and meets, right, the leaders of Europe to whatever this future European Union or if it has a different name, whatever, whoever is the leader of Germany, whoever is the leader of France, what they say and what they want is going to matter a hell of a lot more than whoever the leader of Croatia is or whoever the leader of Lithuania is. Right? And that’s just the reality. Now that doesn’t mean that we hate Lithuanians and we hate Croatians.

 

But at the end of the day the power of Europe is more fundamentally concentrated in those bigger, more consequential States, then there’s more minor states. And so therefore, you know, Europe will come under German and French leadership. It will. And we’ll have to go in that direction.

 

Greg Johnson: Will Germany and France fight it out?

 

Joel Davis: Well, I mean they probably will have antagonism, but you know, if they have a mutual animus of greater enemies around the world, that gives them a strong incentive to work out their differences and form a strong alliance. Right?

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah. I mean, it’s possible to come up with a simulacrum of human behaviour that’s entirely based on selfishness as a motivation. And liberals love to do that. Right. And foreign policy realists love to do that’s sort of what you’re doing now.

 

Joel Davis: It’s not based on selfishness though. It’s securing your national community and its future, that is not selfishness. That’s service to your people!

 

Greg Johnson: Well, but you’re talking about selfishness in terms of vis a vis other countries. And I, …

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Okay. So obviously Germans care more about Germans than they care about Greek people. But there could still be a wider European fidelity as well. It’s not an either or.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: They can also care about Europe at large.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: Like if you’re really awake, you would realise that the particular national destiny of any one European nation is actually intimately tied to the collective destiny of the European people. And so you have to safeguard that to safeguard your own national interests as well.

 

So you can have concentric circles of identity. It doesn’t have to be one absolute identity to the exclusion of all others. There can be multiple layers of identity at play. Just like you’re a member of a family, you’re a member of member local community, you’re a member of a nation, you’re a member of a race. Like all of these things are important and have to be balanced.

 

The point of reducing it to selfishness, I mean, it’s just that only makes sense in your abstract theoretical model. It doesn’t actually make sense in the concrete humanity of what we’re discussing. Patriotism is not selfish. Patriotism is a love of the other, of the direct other of your blood!

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah. I do think it’s possible for there to be non-selfish relationships of amity and mutual respect between different peoples. And they’re.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, of course that’s possible, but it’s still like, for example, Australia now has an alliance with the Japanese.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah.

 

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Joel Davis: Now there was one point in which we were massacring each other, in the Second World War and they were a great threat to us.

 

But now Australia and Japan, because of the strategic circumstances surrounding the rapid rise of Chinese military and economic power, well now we have common cause and we have very strong military agreements. Both of our militaries have permission to operate in each other’s sovereign territories, which is agreement that I think both countries only have with the United States and maybe we have similar agreements maybe with the British actually as well. But it’s a pretty like rare agreement for either country to have with another country.

 

So we have very close military relationship now. And I admire Japanese culture. I think Japanese culture has a lot of very compelling things both historically and contemporarily and I think the Japanese people are very respectable people and I’m happy to be allied, and I think it’s a good thing for both countries for us to have an alliance.

 

But at the end of the day, if circumstances were different like in the Second World War where Japanese interests and Australian interests are diametrically opposed, then I am totally fine with killing Japanese people. Right. Because that’s actually what’s good for Australians. Those two things can both be true.

 

So it isn’t about that I respect their universal right to self-determination. I don’t! I don’t give a shit about this universal concept of self-determination! I care about the particularity of how is my region going to be organised and how can I secure a future for my people. If that means respecting the Japanese nation as our ally, then I respect the Japanese nation as our ally. I would also like it if the Chinese state was divided into like 10 states, because that would be fantastic for Australia because then it would completely weaken them and they could all be turned against each other and massacre each other. That would be in my interest as well.

 

So I don’t give a shit about the Chinese right to national self-determination because that right actually is very scary, if it’s practiced! And that’s, I think that’s a totally reasonable worldview. I care about my people more than I care about Chinese people or I care about Japanese people. So it’s all relative.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, I think that’s completely reasonable because there is this, but that’s a universal fact as well, namely that people have a love of their own and given that you have the greatest interest in your own people, it makes sense for you to take care of your own people first. But you also recognise that that’s true of everybody else on the planet. And again, you can posit an international order that respects that fact, …

 

Joel Davis: And I don’t support Aboriginal self-determination. There are people! Because that directly conflicts with my, the sovereignty of my people over this continent.

 

So I don’t actually respect the universal right to self-determination! That’s the thing. I will respect particular claims to self-determination where it makes sense, but I do not support an abstract universal. The abstract universal doesn’t actually exist! It isn’t based on anything. You’re proposing that we negotiate one into existence on the basis of our shared individual national interests. And I’m providing all these counter examples where, well, the universal often isn’t in my individual national interest.

 

Greg Johnson: We can raise the question like this. You can say, okay, let’s say that, let’s use this example. Let’s talk about property rights within Australia. You have private property rights. Now you could go through life negotiating and calculating all the whole time and saying:

 

“Well, you know, is respecting this person’s property rights in my interests in this particular moment?”

 

And oftentimes it might not be, but you might still recognise that as a general rule, having a system of private property in place benefits you as much as it benefits other people. And therefore you want to, you’re not going to go through life thinking:

 

“Can I steal this pen and get away with it?”

 

You sort of get beyond that because you recognise that you’ve got a general interest in civilised rules like respecting other people’s property. And you can go on to you broaden that out. Any kind of general civilised rules. You might be able to benefit yourself by violating these rules in particular circumstances. But in a broader sense you probably benefit from just having these rules.

 

Joel Davis: As a nationalist, I support seizing the property of foreign nationals. I support seizing the property of racial aliens. I support a taxation system that seizes a significant portion of everyone’s property in order to make arrangements for national defense. And the national interest in various other ways. And so I don’t actually respect the universal right to property. I respect the limited right to property.

 

Greg Johnson: It’s an analogy. Okay, I’m not saying, …

 

Joel Davis: That’s the same as what I’m saying on the international basis. I respect in a limited sense, the national self-determination of various other peoples, but I do not support it in an absolute sense.

 

Greg Johnson: Would you be safer in a world where people treated it as an absolute or treated it as something that they renegotiated in every particular circumstance.

 

Joel Davis: We’re never going to live in a world where people treat it as an absolute because it’s fundamentally incongruent with the human condition and with the political as such! The political is fundamentally a question of:

 

“What are you willing to fight for. On what basis can the state legitimate war? On what basis can the state legitimate putting people in prison? On what basis can the state legitimate organise men with guns, pointing them in people’s faces and potentially shooting?”

 

That’s what politics is about.

 

And so there is not going to be a world in which we all put down our guns and sit down and rationally negotiate some peaceful set of agreements. Now with our guns pointed in mutual directions, we can sit down and negotiate alliances or negotiate agreements to prevent us from engaging in mutually destructive conflicts. So we can have a limited negotiation, but we’re never going to have an absolute negotiation. So it’s not only like frivolous question that has no basis in historical or human reality!

 

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Greg Johnson: I don’t think it’s baseless, because the world has been working in one way or another for hundreds of years to create institutions that allow different states to come together and mediate conflicts and avoid conflicts.

 

Joel Davis: But that is the world underneath the domination of the United States of America. This idea of liberal nationalism has only actually been successfully implanted, implemented underneath American global power where the American led international order has been organised around these institutions. But without the American guarantee of power, sovereignty, etc, what the American Navy guaranteeing global trade, American participation in all these international institutions, they would crumble! They would no longer function! And insofar as states have become powerful enough to challenge the American led international order, they challenge these institutions and they’re, and at the same time America itself has destroyed the legitimacy of these institutions by also violating its dictates where it saw fit, for example, in the invasion of Iran.

 

Greg Johnson: Absolutely! Absolutely!

 

Joel Davis: So these institutions are fundamentally, as I said, I use the phrase “bullshit edifice”! It’s a very reasonable assessment. It’s a very reasonable assessment because what it actually is a form of American imperialism. And that’s all it is, basically.

 

But then with a very amicable negotiation, it’s a very good propaganda. It’s a very good way of bringing your junior partners in the empire in and giving them representation and giving them a voice and so on, which is a prudent way to run an empire. But what it isn’t, is what you’re describing it isn’t actually a respect for the abstract universal of self-determination because that same American empire has been utterly destroying in concrete terms our capacity as Western states to have self-determination by literally genociding our race and creating state sponsored programs to destroy our national self consciousness!

 

So according to the abstract universal, well we’re all in all these international organisations that respect Australian sovereignty or French sovereignty or German sovereignty or Italian sovereignty or whatever. But in concrete terms there’s a series of international institutions and organisations and the perpetuation of an international order that destroys the capacity of our nations to have a genuine seat at the table because we can’t even be self conscious. We can’t even assert our national interest within our own political process!

 

So we have a bunch of traitors that will go and sit at these international meetings and represent us. Well, isn’t that fucking fantastic? I feel:

 

“Oh my national self-determination is so respected when they send some communist traitor like Anthony Albanese to go sit at the UN and go and sit down with the Indian Prime Minister and negotiate how they’re going to bring more Indian immigrants into Australia so I can be genocided more quickly!”

 

That’s fantastic!

 

Greg Johnson: Well I was, last year I gave a talk at the Institute for Historical Review in Southern California and I gave this analogy that I’ve used for years about how institutions fail, how diversity hollows out institutions. And I talked about the fire department. It was just an arbitrary thing. I said imagine the fire department decides to go woke and diversify and you know, it’s all fine, it’s all well and good if you lower standards and you spend more time worrying about the gender and racial mix of the people on the department, so forth. It’s great, it’s great for parades, it’s great for propaganda videos. But what if there’s an actual fire?

 

And then as if on cue, [chuckling] right? As if God wanted to prove my point, Los Angeles bur burned down! And we found that part of the reasons why the fire department was so ineffectual was it was being run by a lesbian and it was full of lesbians and they were all doing TikTok videos showing off their diversity, but they weren’t paying attention to what was necessary to actually put out fires. And you can just say that this is an institution that’s been rotted out by a crazed idea. Right?

 

And this is the way I think we have to understand what’s happened with NATO and the EU, and things like that. The purpose of the fire department is to fight fires and the purpose of NATO is to defend its member states. And the purpose of the EU is to pursue conflict resolution and greater prosperity and mutual understanding and respect in Europe, blah, blah, blah. And these institutions unfortunately have been become infected with these insane ideas, this insane woke ideology.

 

But we have to understand that there’s a distinction between the institutions and its purposes and the bizarre destructive goals that they have been wrenched around to by these ideologues.

 

Joel Davis: They’re not just “bizarre”, Greg. They’re not just like this random appendage of ideas that spontaneously emerged within these institutions and just made them retarded! What these ideas are in concrete and historical terms is a social engineering project to actively destroy the national identities of the constituent states that make up this liberal international order. Because of the recognition that nationalism is an idea which contradicts this liberal international order and its fundamental premises itself, embodied in National Socialist Germany. So, but if you understand it historically and dialectically, then that is the case.

 

Like if you look at the motivations of these “woke” academics, so to speak, if you look at the motivations that they explicitly state themselves, particularly in that 1950s, 1960s period where these ideas are being formulated and they’re being actively supported and so on, their concrete motivation is directed specifically at the Third Reich and its conditions. And there was a mutation in Left-wing ideology around the recognition that:

 

“Well, when the White working class is empowered, they didn’t actually support socialism, they supported fascism and National Socialism. And so the Left needs to be reconstituted around a different set of clients as opposed to the working class.”

 

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Greg Johnson: Absolutely, yeah.

 

Joel Davis: And so all of, all of these things are fundamentally relevant. And so the rehabilitation of the nationalist idea as something which can stand necessarily has to stand against the Liberal international order. The rehabilitation of a nation which asserts itself in its particularity that doesn’t need to justify itself within these, the shackles of these moral universalisms that you’re so partial to is fundamentally tied to the historical experience of the National Socialist regime insofar as it existed.

 

Now that doesn’t mean that every single illiberal nationalist is exactly the same as a National Socialist. But what it does mean is that nationalism has been fundamentally cucked and morally outmoded from our political process. It can’t represent itself correctly, it can’t assert itself, and in fact is being actively attacked pre-emptively and purposefully to make it harder and harder and harder for any for a nationalist movement to ever exist, that it has any concrete chances of success in any of our respective democracies. In order to preserve this liberal international order where no nation starts thinking about its own interests too hard and starts asserting them too directly and brings down this whole bullshit edifice as I called it, and starts challenging the American led liberal international order.

 

So this is all interconnected! It’s not just like oh, we had this great idea of liberal internationalism back in the 19th century and it went all wrong with wokeness. We could just get back to it. It’s completely non-dialectical, it’s completely ahistorical to think like that!

 

And it’s also just patently ridiculous when you think about how discourse actually works in the contemporary situation. That’s why it works the way that it does. That’s why whenever you start advocating for anything that sounds like White nationalism or ethno-nationalism in any White country, particularly in Western Europe or the English speaking world, immediately you start getting called the Nazi and all of these discussions around National Socialism start popping back up because it is all fundamentally tied. But there still needs to be a level of rehabilitation where we say:

 

“Okay, but the Germans asserting their national interest wasn’t some unique historical evil.”

 

In fact it actually makes sense why they would react against liberalism, why they would react against Marxism, why they would react against jewish subversion in the way that they did, why they would find a necessity to take on the Soviet Union and the Anglo-American world order to try and assert a different idea for Europe and a different political order for Europe. All of this actually makes sense! And is actually things that we can sympathize with and you should sympathize with, particularly in retrospect after seeing what has happened after their defeat, if you actually care about the European race and its destiny.

 

Greg Johnson: My position still boils down to this. I think that National Socialism was the wrong kind of nationalism! It was the bad kind of nationalism in the sense that it was imperialistic, that it was aggrandizing itself at the expense of other primarily White European nations.

 

And basically I think that what nationalists need to do, and I’m going to put this in an intentionally provocative way, is that we need to solemnly swear that we’re not going to do that kind of shit again!

 

Joel Davis: I diametrically oppose you. I think it was the good kind of nationalism precisely because it didn’t cuck itself to these universalist moral limits that you want to impose upon nationalism, and actually took on a form that was actually capable of asserting itself in a totalizing way against the enemies of nationalism, which were foreign and domestic. And that in order for us to free ourselves as a race of all of these forces, whether it be the Leftists, whether it be jews, whether it be what have you, structures of international finance, capitalist elites that are diametrically opposed to nationalist goals, all the rest of it. We need to take on a similarly uncompromising ideological project that seeks to seize state power and then use state power to utterly destroy and eradicate them from our lands and push them back. Create an international order in which they fear us too much to attack us.

 

That is ultimately the only way in which we can genuinely have self-determination as a race is to become powerful enough to do that, to actually defeat our enemies! And actually be sovereign over our own territories. And that’s what those are the principles in National Socialism, not necessarily the, … Now German Chauvinism I, from the perspective of culture, I do think the Germans had the greatest culture of any nation in Europe. They are the cultural and spiritual Guardians of the European race, particularly in the modern world. You could make historical arguments as well, but particularly in the modern world because okay, you want to cry about Poland. Where’s Poland’s Beethoven? Where’s Poland’s Wagner? Where’s Poland’s Hegel? Where’s Poland’s Nietzsche? Where’s Poland’s Heidegger? Where’s, … The list goes on. The Germans and their contribution is exceptional without equal in the modern world.

 

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And also it is antagonistic directly to the ideas of which have destroyed Europe. The Germans were the great power in Europe that actively, on a cultural and political basis provided the most resistance to the development of this hellscape that is what has become of modernity.

 

So the Germans should be Chauvinistic to a very large extent. They should see themselves as superior because they actually are on a cultural basis. But I don’t necessarily mean that doesn’t necessarily mean they should be genociding the other European peoples. It doesn’t mean though that the other European people should be looking to German culture for leadership as opposed to looking to Anglo-American culture for leadership, which has been a total disaster! Which is what has actually happened due to our imposition. And what that means is jewish cultural subversion and leadership to a very large extent because we’re infected with this.

 

So that’s what has actually become of Europe’s destiny, which has been a total disaster! So I think Germanophilia is actually necessary for the White race because the Germans did provide, in their political thought, in their philosophical thought, in the development of their particular nationalist movement, the most spiritually powerful refutation of all of these forces. And then they then created, in a political form, the most politically powerful opposition to all of these forces.

 

And so, of course we should take inspiration from it. Of course we should defend it. Absolutely!

 

Greg Johnson: And yet they were defeated by liberal internationalism. Is there any lesson in there?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, they were defeated by an ideology that is genociding our race. So you could say:

 

“Hey, this ideology that is genociding our race won against an ideology that was trying to defend our race. So maybe we should side with the ideology that genocides our race!”

 

No! That’s not the lesson to be taken away.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay, well, I mean, we’ve almost run out of time, so I don’t want to go, … I’m envisioning a huge digression here, which I don’t want to get into. Because I don’t want to digress from history, from philosophy into history again, because I do think that that’s the for me, I wouldn’t say that I wasted my time reading David Irving, but it was a digression from philosophy into history. And to the extent that I learnt anything from it, my feeling is that the rest of the world has a justified suspicion of people who say:

 

“I want nationalism, like Germany between the wars.”

 

Joel Davis: I have a justified suspicion that of anyone who claims to be for our race, but proposes that we frame our nationalism within the ideological and philosophical framework that is precisely antagonistic to nationalism, which is what liberal variants of nationalism are.

 

Greg Johnson: I just don’t think that they are necessarily antagonistic to nationalism properly understood. I think it’s possible for there to be distinct nations that are proud of their identities and wish to pursue their own destinies and that do so without being bad global citizens. And that’s the fear that is constantly being evoked whenever nationalism comes up.

 

And of course, in part, it’s being evoked in bad faith, but it finds purchase in people because they think:

 

“Well, yes, maybe there’s a better way of doing this.”

 

And this is why I do think that I think we should try and get beyond interwar and let’s just not even say National Socialism, but interwar nationalisms, because I think we need a new Right. And that we need to understand that it’s possible to advocate for a plurality of different nations.

 

Joel Davis: We can’t have a totally free discussion about what form that can take in the contemporary world unless National Socialism is at the very least rehabilitated enough to be relativised and for its ideas to be seen as a series of options on the table that should be considered and debated, as opposed to it being like before we even discuss. Start the discussion the premise is that it’s immediately beyond the pale.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, I would agree with that.

 

But I do think that if we had that discussion, and maybe we’ll continue this discussion, because I’d like to bring you around to my thinking, which is to basically say:

 

“We need to step over this.”

 

We need to relativise it. We need to understand it in its context. We can even appreciate it as long as it remains dead. But that we have to create something new for the world situation that we’re in today. And it’s not just because of National Socialism, but they always bring it up.

 

But you know, even if none of the unpleasantness of World War II had happened. Let’s say there was only one World War, you would still have globalists with their pious lectures about the evils of nationalism that led to the First World War. I think it’s bunk, but we have to respond to them.

 

Joel Davis: But the moral weight of these pious lectures is only something that has been able to be asserted through military victory. If the Germans were successful in a military sense in the Second World War, and they were obviously successful at convincing Germans and convincing also substantial portion of other European nations to side with their metaphysical war is what I would describe the Second World War as fundamentally, of the particular against the universal. They did win the argument with a lot of people in the European continent. It wasn’t like they didn’t have a compelling position that was just refuted because it was inherently objectionable. They did have a compelling point of view. They did have an inspirational point of view. Incredibly inspirational point of view. What political leader had a more inspirational point of view than Adolf Hitler? None! He’s the most inspirational politician ever! Right.

 

So they had a very compelling idea. And the reason why that idea is now marginalised is not because it wasn’t compelling. It’s not because it doesn’t carry weight. It’s been marginalised through a totalizing suppression by the State, through mass indoctrination imposed through a military victory of a hostile foreign power, multiple hostile foreign powers. Powers which are fundamentally rooted in evil ideas that we wholeheartedly must refute in defense of our race and in defense of nationalism as an idea! So that you’re not really contending with properly. You know, you’re not really actually acknowledging that reality, which is, I think, impossible to avoid.

 

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Greg Johnson: I’m not sure of your point, because I don’t think it’s true. I think the main stigmatisation of nationalism is based on war! It’s based on unnecessary suffering caused by one nation basically trying to, …

 

Joel Davis: You can describe the Second World War in just as plausible way because you can’t tell me that the Allied narrative on World War II is 100% historically accurate. In fact, they make it illegal in a lot of Europe to even debate the Second World War openly.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Greg Johnson: So one side of the argument is entirely suppressed, even in countries like ours. Well, I mean you don’t live in America anymore, but in countries like ours, like in the English speaking world, it is still legal to debate the Holocaust in theory, but in practice, any actual historian who tries to do it they’re not going to be able to work at a university. They’re not even going to be able to get their books published by any kind of mainstream publisher. They’re totally marginalised from mainstream discourse.

 

So that’s not a reasonable:

 

“We’ve sat down and we’ve had a reasonable and rational accounting of the Second World War and of early 20th century European ideologies. And we’ve come together as a society in a spirit of rational discussion and free thinking. And we’ve come to this conclusion.”

 

That’s laughable as a premise! In an actually open discourse where both sides can present themselves the National Socialist sympathetic or fascist sympathetic view of the Second World War, which portrays it as a result of the encroachments of Anglo-American universalism, of the Soviet Union and so on, the revision, the so-called revisionist narrative would be compelling to a very large amount of people.

 

In fact, insofar as it is being able to be to kind of poke its head up on the Internet, it is actually showing a lot of organic popularity right now!

 

So you’re kind of presenting it as if the ideas on your side are just like so incontrovertible and they’re just so compelling and the ideas on my side are just so ridiculous and so morally objectionable that no one would ever consider them!

 

Greg Johnson: Oh no! I would never present things in that way. Not at all! You misunderstand me. What is the root of liberalism? Ultimately, the root of liberalism as an ideology is dealing with the Thirty Years War, and other religious wars in Europe after the Reformation. That’s what drives it! There’s an essay by Judas Schlar called The Liberalism of Fear.

 

And I think liberalism in many ways is driven by fear, fear of insane violence! And I think the Liberal international order is driven by fear of insane violence. Like the First World War, like the Second World War, and the fear of nationalism. Nationalism is scapegoated.

 

And of course, it wasn’t just nationalism that was at the root of these wars. It takes a world to have a World War. And not all the parties were fighting for national self-determination. Obviously Stalin wasn’t doing that. But that aside, people want an alternative to a Third World War, another world at war. And the rehabilitation of interwar fascisms is going to be very difficult, there’s an uphill battle. And it’s not just the battle that’s been set in place since the Second World War. It’s an uphill battle against problems that people have been pushing back against since the Reformation.

 

Joel Davis: But also, you also have the other side of that coin, which is that. Well, yes, like often major conflicts can be quite shocking to the communities involved in them and they can retreat into a more pacifistic set of doctrines for a period of time.

 

But then there always comes a point as well in history where a particular paradigm becomes so intolerable and a different idea in opposition to it becomes so compelling that eventually you get another major conflict. And that’s part of the human condition.

 

And right now our race is being genocided! Right?

 

So this is existential. This isn’t just a battle of ideological preference or something on the basis of these values or those values. This is a fundamentally existential question. Are we going to continue to exist as a race or not? And that is in a very precarious position. And the entire establishment of the Liberal international order is basically in an agreement that. Yeah, that this is either unimportant or that they actively support it. Right. In most cases.

 

So under those conditions, an ideology that is violent or that has violent potential is actually alluring. An ideology which limits itself purely to moralizing and rational discourse and so on lacks appeal because we do not have a rational and sympathetic interlocutor with whom we’re negotiating our survival. Here we have an existential enemy. And an existential enemy can only be confronted through force, through active resistance.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, yes and no.

 

Greg Johnson: That is why my ideaactually has incredible relevance to the contemporary situation, because I do not believe that we’re going to negotiate our survival under this order. I think we’re going to need to assert it.

 

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Greg Johnson: I disagree with you on this because what we have is we’ve got an existential enemy that’s a rather small party, a rather small number of people spread around the world in key positions. But these people depend upon a large number of other people who are basically just goofy liberals. And these goofy liberals can be persuaded. Especially because even from their point of view, there’s something ridiculously unjust about, say, the idea that:

 

“It’s okay for China to be for the Chinese, and Africa for the Africans, but White countries are for everyone.”

 

There are things about this ideology that’s promoting and greasing the way towards White genocide. They’re just flagrantly immoral by liberal universal standards!

 

And frankly, what we have to do to beat the enemy, which is an existential enemy and is not going to be persuaded, but to beat them, we have to start reducing the number of people who are on their side! People who take their phone calls and take their money and make this shit happen! We have to reduce the number of people on their side. And the way we can do that most easily is not playing into the stereotypes of the 1930s, but by using patient arguments that appeal to moral universalism, ideas of fairness and things like that. Because there’s nothing unfair about nationalism for all people.

 

Joel Davis: What you’re now appealing to is, first of all, a quantitative rather than qualitative argument. You’re saying:

 

“Well, if we remove the moral barriers to entry for the largest number of people, this is going to ultimately be what best serves the nationalist movement.”

 

I believe in quality over quantity. I believe that what is actually necessary is to cultivate a spirit of radicalism and of sacrifice.

 

Because the reality is in politics, there is a Pareto distribution of political influence. A very small amount of people have pretty much all the influence.

 

Joel Davis: Absolutely.

 

Greg Johnson: And most people are not that politically active at all! They maybe vote once every four years, if that. And they don’t really have a very well developed political worldview. Only a very small minority of the population is politically engaged enough to even have an ideological worldview, and is engaged enough to be participating in the political process in a more direct way.

 

And those people fundamentally set the paradigm. So going for broad spectrum mass appeal with people who are largely indifferent towards politics is not going to be that successful. We already have the opinion polls, right? In basically every White country. Nationalist political policies are more popular than their alternatives on basically every metric. What actually will create political power is a committed group of radicals who are willing to devote their life, their resources, their time, their efforts to struggle for political victory. An ideology, …

 

Greg Johnson: I absolutely agree with that.

 

Joel Davis: Inspiring those people than an ideology like mine. An ideology like yours, the spirit of compromise, the spirit of kind of reducing oneself to achieve mass appeal is going to actually turn off those who seek after ideological coherence, those who seek after purity of thought, those who seek after purity of principle.

 

And also your worldview is fundamentally already conceding defeat in many respects to the enemy. It is fundamentally lacking in confidence in our own people’s innate capacity to assert our collective will.

 

Greg Johnson: I absolutely have enormous and reasonable doubts about that! Until they are given, … I mean, people. This is a very cynical thing. People are only as good or bad as they are, … You know, basically, they’re as good as they’re permitted to be, or they’re as bad as they’re permitted to be. What permits them? Well, ultimately it’s going to be their consciences.

 

But there’s another thing about the sort of political process as I understand it, that needs to be brought in here. I do think that most people are politically passive. I do think that our enemies are highly, politically, active. But they exist in tiny numbers. But around them is a group of people who are more politically engaged because they’re cogs in the machine. And it’s those people. And that would include, you know, educated people with above average social capital, people with above average incomes. These people count more. And these people are being held in bondage basically, to the woke idiots who are running our race to ruin by certain moral principles that they hold. I think that that moral consciousness has been hacked and distorted and turned against our interests and that we can, by appealing to them, change things around. And we can’t do that by enacting 30s fascist stereotypes.

 

And there’s no way of doing that!

 

Joel Davis: Let me respond to that though, because number one, what you’re basically saying is that, yes, the issue is the moral state of our people. What I believe the solution then is to create an inspirational, romantic, idealistic notion in direct opposition to those moral values. Because frankly, the vast majority of Whites do not go along with Left-wing ideology, or Leftism gone mad, whatever it is. This ideology of White self-erasure on the basis of its internal compunction and they’re like deeply committed to it, to its values. It’s simply a product of social inertia and a fear of social exclusion and other social penalties. It’s easier to just internalise and believe the prevailing worldview to basically go along to get along. There’s only a very small minority of Whites that are actually active Leftists that really, truly and deeply and viscerally believe in these principles. And they’re obviously largely motivated by themselves being very spiritually and psychologically defective to the point of a collective self hatred which I diagnose as most fundamentally being a consequence of seeing this ideology as a way to drag down their superiors within our own race.

 

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unHerd
6 months ago
If NS didn’t matter the Jews wouldn’t be working so hard to try and stamp it out.

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HH
6 months ago(edited)
Greg Johnson : “1930’s Nationalism gives people bad global citizens concerns”. Conveniently forgets the entire globe was carved up by three liberal democracies Britain, France and the Netherlands all at the peril of a sword/gun.

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@v0lum3
6 months ago
Hitler dindu nuffin

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@W_Poe_White
6 months ago(edited)
Britain. France and the Netherlands weren’t anything even close to a democracy when they built up their empires. Nor are they really democracies today. They are liberal plutocracies, not democracies.
Plutocracy is the problem, not democracy as such.
A constitutional ethno-democracy where only members of the ethnos can possess citizenship and vote or hold office, and, furthermore, with a national socialist economic system, would work just fine.
OTOH, a one-party dictatorship is no panacea.

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@v0lum3
6 months ago
Democracy is retarded in any context. The Greeks figured this out 2500 years ago.

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HH
6 months ago(edited)
Those details you outline matter none. The fact is 90 percent of the modern world views
them as liberal democracies, the original ANTIFA, the antithesis to Natsoc, Fascism and Nationalism. So the statement stands, the swords and guns that actually took over the world were made in democracies and used by the soldiers of liberal democracies. But “ooooo Hitler, the mad man, wanted to rule the entire world”. Of course people who read CC will know this may not be entirely true but to the normal who thinks in terms of global citizen, the actual description of the type of governance does not matter.

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@W_Poe_White
6 months ago
What things are and what people call them can be very different things. You can deal with the illusion if you please. I’ll stick with the reality. Plutocracies, not democracies.
The actual point: decisions for the US, UK, Netherlands and France to go to war are NOT made democratically. They are made behind closed doors by wealthy elites and the politicians who serve them.
“Democracy” is a covering screen for authoritarian rule from the shadows by unaccountable plutocratic elites and their clients in office.

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HH
6 months ago(edited)
Again you’ve failed to understand the psyche of the masses.
1930’s to 90 percent of the public: Britain/France Netherlands = liberal democracies therefore good, and no one cares that between them they carved up the entire globe with swords and guns made in democracies.
1930’s to 90 percent of the public: Germany = Nationalist, fascist, authoritarian therefore bad, so bad global citizens.
That’s how 90 percent of the Western mind interprets that time. What you and I may understand about democracies being nothing more than an illusion does not matter. We are in a tiny minority.
Point stands, Greg Johnson overlooks that democracies have been far worse global citizens than any Nationalist one.

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@W_Poe_White
6 months ago
You’re failing to realize that public opinion has been manipulated by the plutocrats who own all the media and control education as well. The public has been massively lied to and conditioned to believe what is useful for the plutocrats – who have been increasingly led by Jews as time has unfolded.
However, some of the support for democracy is indeed authentic and this is fine so long as this democracy would be limited to members of the ethnonation, i.e. ethnodemocracy. Jews would lose their citizenship along with all non-Whites and not be able to participate.
I am not advocating a simple one-man one-vote system, but a moderately democratic system involving voting by a subset of “active citizens” who have demonstrated serious commitment to studying public affairs. Active citizens’ votes would be weighted to count as, say, 2/3rds of all votes for President and the Senate. Alternatively, only their votes might be counted in selecting the President and Senate.
The office of the President would also be strengthened by giving Presidents 12 year terms and a Constitutional authority to issue executive orders which would have the same force as laws passed by both houses of Congress.
General elections involving all citizens might be used for selecting the US House of Representatives and for selecting state legislatures and governors. Or, alternatively, weigh active citizen votes more heavily.
Furthermore, there is an absolute need for a more egalitarian and populist economic system.
Eliminating plutocracy eliminates Jewish control of the media and education since it takes away the Jewish money power necessary for monopolizing control of media and education.
Taking away citizenship from Jews and reinstating disabilities on them in combination with ending plutocracy solves the JQ. The solution is to reverse the error of Jewish emancipation while eliminating the means by which Jews rose to power in the first place – i.e. their money power.
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HH
6 months ago(edited)
Am not going to read all that given your refusal to understand you’re in an absolute minority.
It’s very simple, the Western world sees Britain, France and the Netherlands as democracies and the NSDAP as baby murdering, oven baking, brain washed psychos. One of those groups ruled the entire world between them and the other is constantly accused of being bad because they wanted to rule the entire world but didn’t.
Democracy good regardless of the millions murdered by them.
Natsoc bad.

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@W_Poe_White
6 months ago
You’re flogging a dead horse. Who’s defending liberal imperialism around here? In point of fact the Western nations were not, and are not, democracies. They were, and are, plutocracies with managed public opinion. The “Western world” is not a monolith with a unitary opinion set in stone forever. Western public opinion has been massively manipulated by its ruling liberal plutocracies monopolizing the mass media and education. Opinions are mutable. Especially when they are based on gross propagandistic manipulation and lies.
“Democracy good…Natsoc bad”
Aren’t you simply taking the opposite, dogmatic, equally Manichean, position “Natsoc good; democracy bad”?
1930s German National Socialism is not a panacea nor is democracy necessarily a problem. OTOH liberalism, understood as plutocratic class rule, is definitely bad and needs to end. But a constitutional ethnodemocracy with a national socialist economic system is very different from the so-called “liberal democracy” which has existed in the West.
This is what I am proposing: a CONSTITUTIONAL ETHNODEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC with NATIONAL SOCIALIST (anti-plutocratic) ECONOMIC SYSTEM.
I take the best features of both “liberal democracy” and national socialism while jettisoning their bad (or at least problematic) features. Liberalism/plutocracy is rejected from “liberal democracy” and the fuehrer principle (individual and one party dictatorship) and the spirit of militarism from German National Socialism.
What is wrong with this? Why must there be dictatorship? Why must there be a spirit of militarism? Why must we embrace romantic nationalism as Joel exhorts and believe in extravagant conceits of mystical White superiority (rather than merely substantive innate difference)?
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HH
6 months ago
Again not reading all that. Stopped at the first sentence. You clearly have knowledge of esoteric descriptions of different styles of governance and whether they are what they say they are but this does not matter to the masses.
Fact is to the masses : Britain, France, Netherlands all good because democracy and ANTIFA. (Actually ruled the world at sword/gun point.
:NSDAP bad because Nazi, Fascist, nationalist wanted to rule the world (but didn’t). Even the supreme leader Greg Johnson is not above this thought trap.

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@W_Poe_White
6 months ago
“Again not reading all that. Stopped at the first sentence.”
You’ve plainly closed your mind to any ideas which challenge your dogmatic beliefs. So I’ll leave you to the “based” echo chamber.

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@W_Poe_White
6 months ago
“Greg Johnson overlooks that democracies have been far worse global citizens than any Nationalist one.”
Replace the word “democracies” by the phrase “liberal pseudo-democracies” and I would agree. I’m not sure Greg would even disagree. He didn’t deny the bellicosity of Britain, France and the US. He simply (and unfairly) accused Hitler of aggression.
Hitler’s hand was forced in Poland. I’m not referring merely to the terrorist attacks on Germans living in Poland. Stalin was building up the Red Army to prepare for the takeover of all Europe (Suvorov’s The Chief Culprit and Meltiukov’s Stalin’s Lost Opportunity). If Hitler had not invaded Poland in tandem with Stalin in 1939, the Soviet onslaught in 1941 would have fallen first on Poland which would have quickly been overrun. The Red Army would then have invaded Germany on the offensive rather that being caught on its back foot as it had been by Barbarossa.

ThinRedLine
6 months ago
Greg conceded every single point of discussion yet still maintained that NS was the bad kind of Nationalism

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HH
6 months ago
Greg Johnson suffers from boomer brain combined with the usual angry liberal mindset.

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HH
6 months ago
Johnson gets emotional towards the end as his points were taken apart and reverts to “NATSOC lost though nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh”. What an emotional response.

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@hhhhwhitepill
6 months ago(edited)
What is such a point intended to even convey? The German military lost owing to a few strategic blunders and an evil (collapsing) British Empire. The latter owing to the Eternal Anglo Problem.
It’s a bit more than a “stretch” to suggest that natsoc was “defeated” in any meaningful way beyond the decidedly narrow lens of warfare. We can’t bring it back? Why not? Because it “failed?”

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HH
6 months ago(edited)
Johnson is effeminate and often exhibits female energy. It was nothing more than a chic lashing out because she’s losing an argument.

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@EverybodywakeUp
6 months ago
Defeated the greatest , people and regime in history. To then pass a empire over to the worst cucked jew, nigger loving country in history, only nigs who have patents come America ffs it’s a disgrace.

ThinRedLine
6 months ago
Germany was defeated by a far larger powers it was a simple numbers game

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PavlovPuppy
6 months ago(edited)
Why are you implying that National Socialism inherently requires Imperialism, Unfriendly Foreign Affairs, Denial of Foreign Sovereignties, Desire for War, Genocide etc?? I think your still falling for some Jewish propaganda, which is hard to believe because your clearly very intelligent. What the hell is going on here Overall I agree with Joel more than you, but you do make some good arguments. I am less might is right than Joel as I think friendly cooperation should be prioritized but there is also a requirement for power, leverage of trade/goods and military strength. However, preservation of the Race/Nation is always number one and it’s requirements can become very situational. I think there is a synthesis to be found here which would create a perfect system. Also I think National Socialist Germany was much more in line with some of your values than you and even Joel seem to think. They really were not Imperialists as much as they were cooperative with foreign states. They were certainly not genocidal, they did not want war, at all. They took the Sudenten which was theirs and was reasonably needed for living space. Other than that they temporarily occupied states for their own protection as well as a shield against communist forces for Europe as a whole. They were literally the friendliest occupations in history lol. They were welcomed with celebration, parades, literally showered with kisses and flowers at their feet in most cases especially in Eastern Europe where they were seen as liberators. Ultimately they did save Europe from becoming one big Bolshevik genocide and they deserve the credit for that. Anyways, this was very intelligent and thought provoking, you guys did a great job staying respectful, not interrupting etc. Its great to see! Be more National Socialist my friend, it is the way!! Hail Victory!
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@EverybodywakeUp
6 months ago
Yeah America. have led everyone into a jew washed state. America is the only place to worship blacks and jews then pushing it into Europe. You have Hollywood and let jews push this bullshit, Hitler said you’re a jewish cesspool and negroid dump who has nothinh in common with Europe. You basically armed isral to the teeth also never kicked them out once apart from cuddle and protect them.

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Earthling Carl
6 months ago
Easy Joel W.

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@filled_soda
6 months ago
Hail Joel, Tom, Blair and Jacob ○/

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@Six
6 months ago
we are all nationalists. so is the socialism the problem? a redundant question unless you think we can have national capitalism. i think thats the proven failure here

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ThinRedLine
6 months ago(edited)
You can’t be a Nationalist with out socialism

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@Six
6 months ago
ties a nice bow on it doesnt it…

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ThinRedLine
6 months ago
it does

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@Arilando
6 months ago
Of course you can.

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ThinRedLine
6 months ago
If you don’t care about the lesser of your people how can you call your self a Nationalist ?

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@Scythe
5 months ago
No I don’t think that’s the issue Keith and Greg have. Free market capitalism obviously isn’t compatible with any form of nationalism. As far as I can see, Keith and Greg’s problem with National Socialism is a matter of taste, optics, genuine ideological difference, and a matter of what is realistic. Though I do sympathize with where they are coming from, and can’t say I’m a proper National Socialist, I think we do need to change the way people view the Third Reich, expose the lies around ww2. As this is the founding mythology of the postwar order. Unlike Joel and many others however, I don’t think we should necessarily change peoples views
from allies good, axis bad, to allies bad, axis good. Because it’s not that simple. We should merely stick to the facts and not narratives.

odysees dumb comment system
6 months ago
Aussies are lucky to have such awesome guys. Ive been following their stuff and they just seem to get it over there. They dont have all this gay infighting. This was very civil, but usually this debate is completely destructive. After Charlottesville the whole movement shattered, and it wasnt so much the actual event, it was the infighting that followed that we never recovered from. But people are becoming less afraid to talk to us again finally, hopefully we dont fuck it all up again fighting over optics like a bunch of retards.

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Love of our People
6 months ago(edited)
Germany’s loss in WWII was without question one of the most profound tragedies and disasters in human history, perhaps THE great tragedy of human history. It was certainly negative. The United States government and the Soviet Union were two of the most evil forces ever seen on the planet (in the case of the former, it remains so).
One point I’ll give Greg, using the moral argument is a tool in our tool box that we have to employ at this point. We’re not in a position to just impose our will, far from it. Even Russia and America today use the facade of moral arguments when presenting their position to the world. Even if we grant that that’s all such arguments are, they’re still useful enough that the great powers resort to them to some extent. We should make a point of arguing our case from a moral perspective, while also working to gain as much power for our people as possible. We should leave no tool unused.

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Northern Blue
6 months ago
Joel butchered him here. Cc came across as a Liberal unfortunately. A little convoluted at times.

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The Ravens Hall
6 months ago
All of these other racial or ethnic groups if they could dominate us or any other group that is not them they would. The truth is that these other groups are fundamentally different to us with different conceptual notions of morals.
Also people misunderstand the ‘might makes right’ phrase, it is illustrates that no laws, morals or ethics actually mean anything as it is power that actually allows you maintain, protect and enforce them.
Also focusing on our own people and having our interests put above all others groups is what all the others are doing.

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ThinRedLine
6 months ago
War is a part of the human experience and there is no reasion to think that Liberalism is less violent , we had plenty of wars since WWII and the reason why we didn’t have a WWIII is because of Nuclear weapons, were it not for these weapons we would surely have had a WWIII already in the fifties or sixties

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@W_Poe_White
6 months ago
Liberalism is the ideology of the capitalist elites, especially the financial capitalist elites. Capitalist elites don’t want a free market. They want monopolies and direct managerial control. J. P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller made explicit statements to this effect.
Liberalism tends toward imperialism whenever this seems to be a feasible option. Capitalism is inherently expansionist since without continuous growth it ceases to function. The canonical example of a liberal polity is the British Empire. You can’t build and sustain an empire without war and repression. Yes, indeed, liberalism is violent.
One shouldn’t let oneself be deceived by the ideologies that have emerged in association with liberalism such as egalitarianism, democracy and the idea of universal individual rights. They are not what they seem. The core of liberalism is plutocracy. Any ideology which contradicts plutocracy will not get far. Though the capitalist elites make Machiavellian use of such ideologies for social control, they will never allow such ideologies to actually be realized as intended by their sincere adherents. Liberalism, i.e. plutocracy, is inherently authoritarian, elitist and anti-democratic. Even the individualist element in liberalism is deceptive. It is really just a means of atomizing people so as to render them helpless to resist elite control. It is a totalizing strategy, as Michel Foucault described clearly in his lecture/essay Omnes et Singulatum and his 1977-78 lectures at the College de France, Security, Territory, Population.
There is a vanguard element within the capitalist elite which wants to take monopoly to its ultimate logical conclusion and consolidate control over all means of production and run society as if it were a single gigantic megacorporation. This, in essence, is communism, i.e. a centrally planned and directed command economy. Which is to say: The telos of capitalism is communism. Today’s name for such a society is technocracy.
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ThinRedLine
6 months ago
Hail Joel

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renunciate
6 months ago
Joel is making the rounds this week, eh?

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@whitemonkey
6 months ago
id just like to say. NATIONAL SOCIALISM FOR ALL NATIONS.

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@chambleth5
6 months ago
I think Joel makes some fair points, but it’s important to look at what he actually does in practice. He led a neo-nazi march thru a public park with his mates dressed in matching outfits which evoked brownshirts and tactical gear. Not surprisingly they got in fights with other citizens and then the police. What did other Austrailians at the park think of this? 16 of his mates were arrested. Joel himself was arrested thereafter. Joel and other NS leaders were bumped off X, probably forever. Was this the outcome of Joel’s philosophy? Was it a positive result?
It’s also important to think about who Joel is as a person. I think he’s an extremist personality type. He really doesn’t seem to have a stable personality at all. He has bounced around from one personality to another over the last 10 years; first he was 4chan shitposter Joel, then he became polisy theorycell Joel, then came tradcath Joel, now we have neo-nazi gymbro Joel. But before any of that he was an actual antifa member. He didn’t just flirt with marxism like some young people do, he was an actual member and he really wasn’t just a member he was in a leadership position. What kind of person is this? How do normal people react to people like this?
I think while Joel’s outlook is not irrational it’s coming from a certain base of personality that isn’t good. I don’t think it’s a wise to follow someone like this or to subscribe to a philosophy like his. It’s probably going to lead you into something bad and counter-productive.

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@filled_soda
6 months ago
I’ve heard him say that the Antifa thing was just a youthful blunder. Where can I read/watch more on this? I don’t mean that in a Leftist “Source?!” way. I’m genuinely curious.

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@chambleth5
6 months ago
It’s hard to say it’s a youthful blunder when he was a leader of the group. As for sources; it’s just something i’ve heard multiple times from different people that’s been confirmed so i don’t have a link or anything.

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@whitemonkey
6 months ago
who cares its just part of the journey, hitler and mussolini dabbled with communism ,so what. its all about the destination, joel found the correct place, however is just maybe a little to out there for me, still much respect to the man for sticking his neck out.

Clown World Gamer
6 months ago
If being arrested is enough to undermine legitimacy then we might as well all surrender. I don’t know what other Australians think about it, but I know you won’t be arrested because you’re not doing anything that bothers the enemy.

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@chambleth5
6 months ago
Are those 16 young men more effective or less effective after having been arrested? Bothering the enemy is, right now, like a gnat bothering an elephant.

@whitemonkey
6 months ago
you point to brownshirt likeness, whoa, antifa get a pass?
joel is a little;e= too out there for me, however makes some fine points.
as for joels journey, doesnt matter how he got there ,he got there in the end.
its been said that hitler may have been a communist very early on as was mussolini however there joirney lead them to a real truth ,that being national socialism. which every nation should aspire to.
hitler in 6 years turned the nation around like no other never forget that.

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@chambleth5
6 months ago
If a psychologically unsound person gets you to a certain place, maybe that place isn’t as psychologically sound as you think it is.

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@whitemonkey
6 months ago
unsound?thats just an opinion, joel for me has evolved to a much clearer position now, many can see that,
life is a journey of experience ,we all make mistakes. am in my 60s though i make very few mistakes through a learning process there’s always another hurdle to clear in an ever evolving world.
your entitled your opinion ,i would fight for your right to express it also, however i believe you maybe wrong.
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@Scythe
5 months ago
Joel is a smart guy, but I think you’re right on what really drives him. He’s definitely an extremist personality type. Not to say he isn’t genuine, but he has a natural proclivity for this kind of thing.

@Six
6 months ago
its odd to pretend that national socialism is bad because its german centric…..during ww2 that is. its obviously not now, it just means racist. our enemies know what it means when they call us nazis

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ThinRedLine
6 months ago(edited)
Third position(NS ) is not so much about the actual policies but about the end goals and the policies will be adapted to fit the end goals
it is kind of like the sophists debate with Aristoteles , for the Sophists the the form is more important than the morals and for aritoles the opposite

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@Maligned
6 months ago
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Joel just decimated Greg with his limp wristed ideology. How he cant see that his own limp wristed ideology that he is advocating for is the very reason why Whites are fucked in the first place. The only thing stopping Whites from rising is their own will to rise.

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Long Knife
6 months ago
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@Willhelm
6 months ago(edited)
all this “white unity” and “no more brother wars” stuff is an american concept. communists, the democrats, russia and a lot of others are white and anti-white at the same time today. the allies pretty much were antifa back in the day.
looking at ww2 from gregs white american perspective is very shortsighted especially because the allies killed tons of “muh whites” as well. this all looks like a captain hindsight mixed with pacifism. horrible. honestly america can go to hell. i dont care for every white person around the world. thats stupid.

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Based and Rempilled
6 months ago
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@hhhhwhitepill
6 months ago
“The only people who care about white collective interests are Americans. ‘No brother wars’ is a corny cliche because white men killed each other before. Also white liberals exist, therefore white collective interests are invalid. Some white people are bad- fuck those bad whites!” No offense, man…you’re really not cut out for this sort of thing.

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Joel Davis: It is another episode of the show. It is the 13 September 2024, and there’s a lot to get into tonight. Obviously, the Australian government this week has been making a lot of moves on the censorship front. They finally put the Bill before Parliament to censor the Internet, basically against so-called “misinformation and disinformation”. They’ve also announced plans to bring in an age limit for social media. And it effectively bans people under a certain age, which they didn’t actually specify, presumably 16 or 15 or somewhere in that vein, from using social media, which a lot of people, I think correctly think is a pretext to bring in digital ID requirements, to use social media, to kind of tie everyone to their identification for what they post online.

 

And in addition to that, also, there’s been some other things on that front. So we’ll discuss all of that, as well as this crazy story out of America. Haitians eating cats, but not, are they just eating cats like the kind of the US government and certain, let’s be real, Catholic charities and other so-called refugee charities, so to speak, have conspired to dump 20,000 Haitians in this town called Springfield in Ohio, in America, which is a town that I think only had a population of like 60,000 people to begin with. It’s not a big town.

 

And so now they’ve just been inundated with Haitians and the whole town is gone to shit, basically. And that’s been a very big story over the past week.

 

So that’s a very interesting story, I think.

 

So those are probably the big stories from this week. I would say. There’s been some other things as well, but there’s a lot to chew on just there. So we’ll probably cover that and maybe some other things.

 

But, you know, as the title of the show says, usually you tune in not really for a coverage of the news, but for the tangents that we inevitably go on. And that’s probably what makes the show so good to listen to.

 

So let’s begin with a bit of a tangent. How are you guys doing?

 

Blair Cottrell: How you doing, Tom? How you feeling?

 

Joel Davis: Tom? You like muted dude!

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, sorry. I was just replying to someone in the chat. They asked us to spurg out about the “Holocaust”. And I said:

 

“Maybe at the end we’ll do it.”

 

Yeah, I mean, he was saying something like:

 

“Can you once and for all put it to bed?”

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s too early.

 

Joel Davis: Once we put it to bed, then it’s finally done. Then the jewish, …

 

Thomas Sewell: And it’ll be finally done.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, it’s too early in the evening, actually.

 

Thomas Sewell: Didn’t we, in the, …

 

Joel Davis: We didn’t really talk about the holocaust too much. We talked more about WWII. We didn’t specifically talk about the Holocaust.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, that’s true. We didn’t specifically talk about the Holocaust. Maybe we forget that a lot of our audience, they’re not in real life NatSoc circles, so they’ve never actually experienced the kind of real life Holocaust Holabonga debunking. Like, we’ve all experienced it like 500 times. So we’re over it! Like, every time we’re at a party, someone brings it up and then hear it all again and everyone chimes in.

 

And it’s like if you’re around Nazis in real life, you just, you hear it like probably once a week, …

 

Blair Cottrell: You become desensitisfied.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, you do. You’re kind of just over it. You’re like, it’s just a bygone thing. It’s like it’s obvious that it didn’t happen. And we could go into detail. We could do like top three favourite parts of the Holabonga.

 

Blair Cottrell: Hang on. I thought we were going to do this later. Are we doing it now or not? [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: No, later. Later! We’ll do it later!

 

Joel Davis: I would rather talk about why the Holocaust is a lot of BS than the Misinformation Bill:

 

“Oh, wow! We’re talking about this on the show like a year ago. Let’s just, let’s cover this again!”

 

One thing I will say about the Misinformation Bill, actually, let’s just maybe cover some news.

 

A lot of people have been reporting it, like, as if it’s a “hate speech Bill”. It is not a hate speech bill. The Bill does not authorize the government to go after private individuals for what they post online. It authorizes a regulatory body called the ACMA [Australian Communications and Media Authority], I believe, to basically go after the social media companies and impose government standards on their regulatory practices to try and basically force sites like Twitter and maybe even Rumble to take down certain kinds of content and change their moderation policies to become more strict and in line with the kind of policies that you see on Facebook or Instagram or YouTube, which are more in line with what the government wants.

 

[* The Australian Communications and Media Authority is an Australian government statutory authority within the Communications portfolio. ACMA was formed on 1 July 2005 with the merger of the Australian Broadcasting Authority and the Australian Communications Authority. ACMA is responsible for collecting broadcasting, radiocommunication and telecommunication taxes, and regulating Australian media.]

 

So that’s actually what the Bill is about. Obviously, that’s a bad thing, but it’s not the same thing as the government’s going to come knock on your door because you made a misinformation Twitter post. Not yet, anyway. That’s not what the Bill says.

 

Blair Cottrell: So why aren’t they doing that already? Well, with racist posts, anyway. Looking here online, …

 

Joel Davis: No, I can’t think of one person in Australia that has been door knocked over a racist Twitter post. Has that ever happened that you guys know?

 

Blair Cottrell: I mean, throughout the West, like Western civilisation, I’ve heard of it happening.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, it happens in Britain, but it doesn’t happen in Australia.

 

So I don’t think we should be fear mongering about that being that can happen, because then people will be afraid to say things on the Internet. We don’t want them to be afraid to say things. It’s not illegal. You’re not going to get door knocked over something you send. Unless you’re, like, full on FED posting and advocating for killing people or something like crazy like that, you’re not going to get door knocked.

 

[05:34]

 

Thomas Sewell: I think people should be very careful, even in Australia, especially if they own legally owned firearms, they should be very careful what they put on Facebook, because there has been people that have been door knocked for things that I wouldn’t say were explicit calls to violence. They were more just like airing frustrations, like natural airing of frustrations on social media posts. There has been some people that have been door knocked and have lost their., … And they haven’t been involved with organisations. They’re just individuals on the Internet. They’ve got legal firearms and the government has used their Facebook posts, specifically Facebook. I don’t know of any other social media, but I know specifically Facebook posts to then say that they’re no longer fit and proper, so they can no longer hold the firearms, legal firearms.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. You’re not allowed to have emotions or opinions if you own guns legally.

 

Thomas Sewell: So you have to be very careful, yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: So when you said ACMA, I thought, where have I heard that before?

 

So I looked it up and I saw, it’s the Australian Communications and Media Authority. And then I remembered the ACMA was consulted by Sky News after my appearance on Sky News, namely Adam Giles show. When was that, Tom? That was about four or four years ago now, maybe five years ago?

 

Thomas Sewell: 2018

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. And they ended up ruling that there was nothing wrong with my appearance on Adam Giles show. And there was no actual reason to ban me or to take any action. But their ruling took, like, six to eight months to come through, so by that time, everyone had moved on, so it didn’t really matter.

 

But interesting that that’s going to be the agency that’s going to be trusted to hold platform providers to account for what they’re allowing to be posted on those platforms. Obviously, the ACMA has maybe in recent years, been kind of populated, you might say, by the right kind of (((people))) that the government needs it to have.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. It’s under their control too. So they could, if they’re not happy with the AMCA not sufficiently regulating so-called “disinformation”, which actually is a total misnomer because what the Bill outlines is that basically:

 

“Causing offence to any protected group is a form of disinformation.”

 

Thomas Sewell: Joel as just disconnected. He’s reconnected. Joel is back.

 

Joel Davis: Did I disconnect?

 

Blair Cottrell: Not on my end you didn’t. Yeah, you were fine on my end for some reason.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, maybe I disconnected.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, maybe you did.

 

Anyway, my, what I was saying was that you, disinformation and misinformation is something that is interpreted as literally anything that offends any kind of minority or protected group or people of a particular, even people of a particular political status, I think it said in the legislation. So you could construe almost anything as “causing harm” is actually the term that it uses. Causing harm to any of these groups. There’s a way that you can rationalise taking almost any content down on those pretexts. At least someone is going to “feel harmed” by almost any, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Joel, Joel, what about the harm that can potentially be caused, according to the contents of the bill, to bankers and, what do they call it? The economic market?

 

So you’re not allowed to undermine public confidence in banks or Australia’s economic markets! What does that mean? [chuckling] You’re not allowed to forecast a recession?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! The Bill would basically make it possible for them to take down any kind of criticism of government health mandates, climate change, … So if you criticise vaccines or climate change or any of these things, if you go against the mainstream consensus on any of these issues, they could classify all of these things as “misinformation” or “disinformation” or whatever. The legislation is so broad, they can’t take anything down off the Internet that they want to.

 

But the thing is they can’t directly take it down. The legislation doesn’t basically give the AMCA the right to specifically say:

 

“I want this taken down. This post, this post, this post!”

 

What the legislation authorizes them to do is to basically provide guidelines to the social media companies on what they should be taking down.

 

So it’s kind of a little bit convoluted.

 

Blair Cottrell: Didn’t it say 5% of the revenue from the platform provider in question can be taken as a fine by the media association or the ACMA? Is that what the legislation said?

 

[10:07]

 

Joel Davis: So that’s basically what they’re going to do. And I would anticipate that. Elon Musk has already criticised the legislation multiple times. Unfortunately, he decided to say “fascism” as his form of criticism of this bill. I mean, how that’s “fascism”, I don’t really understand. Like the Internet, when fascist regimes existed, I don’t understand, …

 

But anyway, it’s a bommerism. But the point is that what this is actually is kind of liberalism, it’s socialism.

 

But anyway, the point is that the bill. Yeah. It ultimately is only as powerful as what the Australian government’s power is, which over a company that’s based in a foreign country, is quite limited.

 

So at the end of the day, all the servers for all these social media companies are hosted in foreign countries, and they can’t pull Elon Musk before a court and tell him what to do on his American website.

 

So all they can do is maybe mess with Australian based revenue streams into X which probably aren’t that substantial. I would imagine only a very small portion of how much revenue they raise comes from Australia. So they’re only going to take like, 5%. I could very much envisage Elon Musk basically just wearing it and telling them to get fucked, because it really would be such a minute amount of Twitter’s overall revenue.

 

So I don’t know if it’s actually that big of a deal. It could be a whole big song and dance of almost nothing, to be honest. We’ll see how it plays out.

 

Blair Cottrell: Who was that woman reading out the Bill in Parliament? What, they don’t read out the whole bill, but the preface for the bill. The preface for the bill. Who was that woman? Do we know anything about her? She had one of those toxic haircuts. Looked like the kind of woman.

 

Joel Davis: The kind of woman that would be in the government?

 

Blair Cottrell: In the government, in a high school. Yeah. Why do all women look like that? Why do all women, like government women, look like that? They all look like clones of each other, don’t they?

 

Joel Davis: Hot chicks, don’t want to go and become part of the government!

 

Blair Cottrell: No, it’s not. It’s more than that, it’s more than just not being attractive. It’s like they’re a whole different race. It’s like they’ve taken their the idea that they’re a member of this elitist superclass to the next level. And they’ve actually tried to create a physical, observable identity out of that liberal superclass. It’s like they’re a whole different race! The way they think, the way they look, the way they behave, it’s totally alien. It’s really weird!

 

Joel Davis: There’s a certain kind of allure that for a certain personality type, having an official title where you wear a pantsuit and you get to be an official title:

 

“Oh, look how successful I am! Look how prominent I am! Because I have of this position!”

 

Whether it be like a CEO of a large corporation or being in the government or being the principal of a high school or something like this. A so-called high status position within the system. Someone who’s kind of a loser that doesn’t really have any kind of normal, markable way within the culture of being kind of liked or affirmed or validated. They find a way:

 

“Well, if I just follow all these bureaucratic procedures and cross my t’s and dot my I’s, then I can get this piece of status, and then I can become important. And then all these people have to pretend. Have to kiss my arse and pretend that I matter, and I can be, oh, I’m such an inspiration for women everywhere because look at me! I’ve become the Member of Parliament, and now I’m the Minister for Education!”

 

Or some bullshit title or whatever that they get given.

 

And so it gives them this inflated sense of ego. Which indicates that something is quite wrong with them, that they can’t find meaning or validation in their life in any kind of normal, healthy channel. I think that really explains, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Maybe it’s the default reaction to not attracting a partner or not being able to attract a partner or not presenting yourself as useful to. I don’t know, but, like, I couldn’t imagine anything worse. What you said there, where you said they’re aiming for a title or position where from they can force other people to be nice to them and everyone has to pretend to like them. I would hate that! I would hate that! I want to hear what people really think. I don’t want people pretending to like me.

 

Like, I don’t know where you guys stand on that. I think you would agree that there could be nothing worse than having sycophants just blowing smoke up your ass, just talking shit! Like, you want to hear what people really think, right? You want people to be honest. But, well, that’s just me.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. You see these women everywhere. They’re the stereotypical corporate, HR, or corporate governance lady. They’re in actual government. They’re in school, education, governance.

 

So I’ll give you an example recently, and I’ve seen the photo of this lady, and she looked exactly as Beck [Tom’s wife] described her. Beck obviously works part time consulting within the education system. And I’m sure the Lefties will try and dox that and stop that. I don’t give a fuck! [chuckling] Like, awesome! I hope she loses her job.

 

No, seriously. But no, she just does it not just out of the goodness of her heart. It is important to her to just stay within the industry and just keep tabs on it to see how fucking far it’s falling.

 

But she is working at a school at the moment. The principal’s a man and he’s currently, … I don’t know how much I can say legally, I guess I’m not naming names, so I can say whatever I want. But he’s currently under investigation for paedophilia. The principal.

 

And so the vice principal’s had to step up and is taking over the school. And all the staff hate the vice principal. It’s a woman. She doesn’t have children. She’s in her forties. And she has that haircut that you described, and she has that attitude that we all understand.

 

And all of her staff, mostly female. Most of the staff are female at the school. They are getting physically assaulted by students. And we’re talking, I’m pretty sure it’s a primary school. So they’re getting physically assaulted by grade twos, grade threes, grade fours, like, incessantly. And they are being told, …

 

Blair Cottrell: What do you mean? The kids are beating up the teachers?

 

[16:34]

 

Thomas Sewell: The kids are physically attacking the teachers. They’re kicking and punching the teachers. Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: [chuckling] Okay! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: And so the school is in such a crisis that they’ve called for an independent consultant to come in and see what’s going on:

 

“Why are the children doing this? Clearly the gentle parenting and gentle schooling approach isn’t working. How do we rework it to make it work? How do we try and reinvent a wheel that’s broken?”

 

And it’s quite interesting because all the teachers are saying that every time they try to implement any sort of consequence, because they’re not allowed to say “disciplinary action” anymore, they now say “consequence”. They’re not allowed to implement any “consequence” for any negative behaviour, any “bad behaviour”. Bad behaviour basically doesn’t exist anymore in the primary school.

 

And this is a normal state school. This is a normal state school in Victoria. There’s no discipline. There’s not allowed to be any discipline. There’s no consequence. There’s not allowed to be any consequence.

 

And when the teachers report the violence that they’re receiving from the children to the acting principal, the acting principal basically tells them:

 

“Look, this conversation is too much for me. I’m getting anxious from this conversation. I’m going to have to leave this conversation.”

 

And then the principal then [chuckling] walks off and it’s fucking hilarious! But that’s what’s going on.

 

Blair Cottrell: What you’re saying is this school, this school was more functional under the leadership of an actual possible paedophile than it is from one of these corporate women! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. So the old principal, it’s kind of fucked up, but I’ll sidetrack that statement. But yes, but the other interesting factor with this principal is, or vice principal, acting principal is she is trying to get the principal’s job. So what she’s doing is she’s fudging the statistics. She’s pretending that there’s no incidences. She’s walking off on these conversations so that she doesn’t have to do her job, she doesn’t have to report the violence, she doesn’t have to report that the school is in chaos. The only team that’s been reported is this third party team. So obviously it’s all resting on her to write an honest report to the government to say:

 

“Hey, this is actually what’s going on at the school.”

 

So it’s interesting. [chuckling] It’s very interesting. [chuckling]

 

Also, Josh Roose*, who’s an anti-fascist researcher in the universities that regularly writes about how we’re all psychopaths and how we’re evil and the government should put us in jail. His wife is actually a principal at a school as well.

 

So that’s another interesting thing. [chuckling] It’s a small world! It’s a really small world!

 

[* Dr Josh Roose is a political sociologist and Associate Professor of Politics at the Alfred Deakin Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation at Deakin University, Melbourne. His research focuses on the intersection of politics, law, sociology, and religion with an emphasis on political and religious violent extremism and terrorism. He has also contributed expertise through interviews and background research for the full range of Australian television, print and radio outlets including ABC news programs including the 7.30 Program, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, 60 Minutes, The Guardian,  SBS, The Australian, and Sky News.]

 

Joel Davis: He wrote a whole article about how about me recently in the Australian. That was quite funny, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Mr Roose.

 

Joel Davis: Because I ratioed him on Twitter. I said:

 

“Listen you should be thanking me that I’m giving you something to write about, otherwise you would be irrelevant. It wasn’t for people like us the Australian wouldn’t really be commissioning you to write any articles.”

 

And then he blocked me. So yes, he doesn’t have much of a sense of humour.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, he’s a pussy!

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. It’s a picture of us cutting a Hitler cake in the like a swastika cake on Hitler’s birthday in the news.

 

So I thought that that that was pretty cool!

 

And what I didn’t like about the article, though, was he was making out like as if I’ve sprung to prominence after October 7. And my criticism of Israel, which didn’t really make any sense. Like, I barely talked about the Israel-Palestine conflict that much at all! Did a bit when it first kind of broke out. It was interesting to analyze, but it’s not really like my thing. So it was kind of bizarre! And he was trying to construe that somehow off the back of the anti-Israel movement we’re promoting neo-Nazism or something like that. If anything, it’s the other way around. We’re like:

 

“Oh, I guess we kind of hate Israel because it’s run by jews.”

 

But, you know, our focus isn’t really there. So he probably doesn’t actually watch the show as write an article that was that trash. These people get paid thousands of dollars to research us and they don’t even watch the show!

 

Meanwhile, poor old Miss Kaz Ross. She watches every single show religiously. Yeah, she’s watching right now! The media never ask her to write an article. [chuckling] She just gets upset how bad their articles are and how bad all these official researchers are.

 

[20:57]

 

Blair Cottrell: Who is Kaz Ross? Who’s that?

 

 

 

Joel Davis: She’s like the fat communist who, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, researcher.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, she’s obsessed with us. And she’s always posting on Twitter about us.

 

Thomas Sewell: She has a tenure at the University of Tasmania, I’m pretty sure.

 

Joel Davis: She knows us quite well. Like, her posts are actually kind of interesting. I mean, she has me blocked on Twitter. But occasionally Swindon will post a screenshot because he likes antagonizing her on the timeline in the group chat.

 

And so I’ll see some of what she has to say. And recently she did acknowledge that I’m an intelligent young gentleman. Apparently I’m an evil paedophile as well. But I’m an intelligent young gentleman.

 

So thanks for the compliment, Kaz. It’s nice. You obviously watch the show.

 

Blair Cottrell: Maybe Kaz is gradually, very gradually starting to turn? How long can you actually work on people like us before we start making a bit more sense than you expected?

 

Joel Davis: Maybe if she lost like 50 kilos, she’d come around?

 

Thomas Sewell: Our worldview would make sense if she lost 50 kilos. Because her main motivation is that she has a lack of self esteem because she’s a fat bitch! So she thinks she’s not allowed in the ethno-state. And so that’s why she wants to destroy the ethno-state. And this is just basic psychology 101. If you think you can’t go to the ethno-state, then you want to destroy the ethno-state.

 

And so that’s spiritual. That’s a spiritual construct.

 

So all these Antifa, all these communists, their fundamental motivation is they have low self esteem. They’re biological traitors. And they’re just like, well, misery loves company:

 

“If I can’t have it, no one can!”

 

You know:

 

“Why do these people got, ..!”

 

Like, it’s envy. It’s very strange. It’s hard to understand if you’ve got an attitude of:

 

“Okay, if I’m inferior, I should get good. If I’m not good at life, I should get better at life!”

 

But they don’t come at it from that angle. They just want to destroy the rich, eat the rich. They don’t even hate the jews because the jews are this, like, financial parasite that’s actually destroying society. They just hate the jews because the jews are better than them, or the jews are in positions of dominance or authority. They don’t hate the jews!

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s what we get accused of too. Like, we get accused of that.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, people mistake our motivations for being, like, anarchistic or communistic, but they’re not. Our motivations are we want a healthy society with a master morality. And a master morality doesn’t imply that we need to have slaves.

 

And I think that when a communist understands that, then they have a chance to sort of, maybe not empathize. That’s probably not the right word, but if they were accidently, … Not that we’re going to recruit many communists in the 21st century, obviously, Joel covered that last stream where the data shows that it’s a very different type of communist to 100 years ago.

 

But if there was some that got lost down the path, when they understand that our worldview isn’t about enslaving nons, it’s about just separating from and getting good, you know, it’ll make a bit more sense. Like, the fash doesn’t seem that bad anymore. Because that’s what they’re concerned about. They’ve got misdirected empathy.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Your modern communists, they’re less motivated by class war or even ideology than they are spurred on by dysgenics. It’s dysgenics which is at the heart of modern communism. It’s not even ideology. And in regards to the being fat, losing 50 kilos. You don’t lose 50 kilos, then adopt the National Socialist worldview. You start adopting the National Socialist worldview, then you lose the 50 kilos! That’s the process, in my opinion.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes!

 

Joel Davis: It’s a little bit of a chicken and an egg problem, though, because that being a fat piece of shit makes it so difficult for you to accept a worldview, …

 

Blair Cottrell: You have to hate yourself first, you need to hate that version of yourself first. You hate that! You keep looking at yourself in the mirror, and you say to yourself:

 

“Wow, I’m a piece of shit! I hate the way I look! I need to do something about this!”

 

And you say that every day until you start actually doing something to change it. You need to hate and reject the existing person you are, and the ideas that have led you to become that person, and completely, you know, re-imagine yourself. Right. That’s what I think for some of these.

 

[25:14]

 

Joel Davis: I mean, that’s good advice.

 

But actually what happens is that if you’re a fat piece of shit, nine times out of 10, is that you’d rather just cope about the fact that you’re a fat piece of shit by believing in a worldview which divorces you from nature in some way and nature’s inherent valuations. Because that’s what National Socialism is. National Socialism is an ideology that respects nature. That’s why, you know, Hitler’s view, he stated very explicitly, was that:

 

“A people that will not fight for its existence, does not deserve to live in this world.”

 

You have to earn your existence from nature through strength, through struggle. Otherwise, you can have no complaints if you’re wiped out of existence.

 

And the brutality of nature, which is a necessary brutality, because it’s a brutality that basically separates the wheat from the chaff that casts off weakness, that casts off basically erroneous directions that nature go in and refines the direction of life so that only the strong and the healthy can survive. And so nature has a way of kind of cleaning itself with its own inherent brutality and purifying itself with its own inherent brutality. And I learnt to kind of love and respect that aspect of nature. And to conform oneself to it by becoming strong and by becoming healthy and becoming worthy of existence, of continued existence.

 

That worldview is very difficult to embrace if you feel weak, if you feel disgusting, if you feel unhealthy. And there’s other worldviews that can come along and say:

 

“Well, actually, that whole idea of respecting nature is actually a form of domination, is actually a form of immoral brutality. People that lack empathy, that lack concern for other human beings, that don’t understand how difficult it is to be born in a certain body and to have certain natural handicaps or whatever, but we here in team communism or team Christianity or whatever, the form of egalitarianism team that you’re adopting, we care for all people, and we see value in everyone, and we want to lift everyone up together through this kind of, Chungus universal brotherhood of man or love or whatever!”

 

But of course, ultimately, that’s a total fraud. Ultimately, that doesn’t actually exist because nature actually exists.

 

And so all that ends up happening is that you facilitating parasitism and you’re facilitating the manipulation of outsider groups who will use that morality against you. Like we’re seeing with all of these non-Whites that are taking advantage of our egalitarian moment in the Western world. They can’t believe their luck at how stupid we are that we’re just giving away! We built the greatest civilisation in world history, and we’re just giving it away to them for free, and apologizing to them while we give it to them that we’re not giving it to you know, quickly enough and rapaciously enough or something.

 

Blair Cottrell: There’s many forces that will come at you in this world with the attractive idea that you aren’t your own responsibility and things aren’t your fault and your failures aren’t a result of your own weakness or naivety. But you’ve got to be careful that you don’t be swayed so easily by these forces. As Joel just pointed out, they come packaged in many different ways, sometimes as religions, sometimes as unions, and ideological groups. And sure, there’s collective oppression that you can challenge, but you can’t really be oppressed unless you’re weak enough to be in the first place.

 

So if you get strong enough, if you get good enough, then you’ll start doing the oppressing, and you really become immune to oppression.

 

And I think the world really is sort of “oppressed or be oppressed” in a way. You need to be in a position where you can crush any and all opponent that challenges you. Even if you don’t actually need to do it, you still have to have the capability of doing it. You have to keep yourself strong to prove your right to exist in this world.

 

And this glorification of weakness really irritates me in the West. It kills all incentive to perform when we’re rewarding and prioritizing the weakest and the sickest in our society. Where’s that going long term? The only logical conclusion is everyone’s going to try to be as weak and as sick as possible in order to be paid and rewarded for it.

 

Thomas Sewell: So I think it’s really important to know what’s going on in the schools. And I appreciated David Hiscock. He just wrote an article on that Misinformation Bill, just tying a few of these subjects together that have been floating around in the ether. But David Hiscock wrote about how the, … Sorry, not the Misinformation Bill, the banning of children from social media.

 

And I think that’s quite significant, because they’re still watching TV, they’re still getting programmed. They just don’t have the sort of Pandora’s box of the Internet.

 

And again, I’m not sure the exact age that they’re trying to legislate that children can’t use the Internet, but what they’re doing to children is ultimately what they’re trying to do to adults. And that was the point he was making in the article. And I think we discussed that on the show maybe two or three weeks ago as well.

 

This idea that Hitler talks about it, Stalin talks about it, and that’s not just because they’re both dictators by definition, but it is just commonly understood that who controls the youth, controls the future. And the way the Liberal tyranny or the anarcho-tyranny is doing it is they are making these changes. Oh, that’s right. I remember it was the show we talked about. It was when we talked about how the anti-bullying safe schools programme from six years ago has changed culture so significantly that children growing up that have had that change to the education curriculum are now adults. And now the government finally got the courage, or they finally got enough time behind them to start seriously changing how society functions in the same way that bureaucrats can just change how a high school works.

 

And a bit of a tangent, but a real world example I have of this is when I was in the army. When I got to battalion, when I marched out of training, we got pulled aside into a room by the lieutenant colonel, and he said, I think it was Forbes. And he died of cancer, conveniently. But he gave us a big speech about how:

 

“All the soldiers in the unit were cancer.”

 

That’s what he said to us. And we were, like, 18 years old. We just marched out of training. And he pulled all the new guys, because it was like about three or four Platoons* worth of new guys, new recruits, rocked up a battalion all at the same time. And he pulled us all into an auditorium and he said:

 

“All the soldiers just got back from Afghanistan. Basically, they’re cancer, they’re rotten, they’re no good. And basically I’m trying to get rid of them. And you guys are the future and you guys have been trained properly. And the army is going through some changes at the moment, and these people are trying to hold on to the old army. And what we need to do is have the new army. And you guys are the new army.”

 

[* In the Australian Army, an infantry Platoon has thirty-six soldiers organised into three eight-man sections and a twelve-man manoeuvre support section, with a lieutenant as Platoon commander and a sergeant as Platoon sergeant, accompanied by a Platoon signaller and sometimes a Platoon medic (full strength of forty men). A section comprises eight soldiers led by a corporal with a lance corporal as second in command. Each section has two fireteams (sometimes three) of four men, one led by the corporal and the other by the lance corporal. Each fireteam (also called a “brick” by Australian soldiers) has one soldier with an F89 Minimi LSW and the other three armed with F88 Steyr assault rifles. One rifle per fireteam has an attached 40 mm grenade launcher; one of the grenadiers is the lance corporal. Fireteam bravo has a HK417 7.62mm for the designated marksman role. More recently, the designated marksman of each Australian fireteam has been issued the HK417 in Afghanistan and possibly afterwards. The Platoon may also have three MAG 58 general-purpose machine guns, one M2 Browning heavy machine gun, or a Mk 19 grenade launcher at its disposal. Wikipedia]

 

And we told all the senior soldiers and they were like:

 

“Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s Forbes. He’s a piece of shit! You know, good luck with him. Basically, we’re all leaving because we don’t want this guy as our commander. We’re all discharging, we’re all getting out of the army. And yeah, we just feel sorry for you and you guys because you don’t actually know what the army is. The thing you have joined is very different to what it was five years ago. It’s drastically changed in a very short period of time.”

 

[32:58]

 

 

And the army went from this boys club where it was like party hard, work hard, serve the country, do the hard yards. And it was this macho kind of warrior cult, and it just became PC. You’re basically a security guard for the state when they decide and when they don’t decide. And we’re going to be doing lots of humanitarian work and you’re kind of a bodyguard for like the UN humanitarian aid workers. And we’re going to transition away from a lot of this combat stuff. And we were infantry soldiers.

 

And I sensed this transition actually, when I applied because of dealing with the civilian recruiting agency and the kind of questions they would ask. It made me think, like:

 

“Am I joining the army or am I joining the Peace Corps?”

 

It was very strange, the questions. I won’t go into it. But I saw that firsthand. And I saw that when you drastically change the culture of an institution, you actually have to remove basically all the non-compliant manpower from the organisation and you have to restock the organisation with the new manpower that can be loyal to the institution, because it doesn’t even know what the old institution was like because it wasn’t around. And you’ve got this fresh slate.

 

And so that’s what’s happening at a macro level and at a micro level. So at a macro level, they’re replacing us, you know, ethnically. Like, the White people are getting replaced from Australia and Britain and Canada, America, Germany, wherever. We’re getting replaced, and they’re bringing in these migrants.

 

And one of the main reasons is that the White people are just the “cancer”. This is what our bureaucrats think of us. This is what the ruling elites think of us. Because White people want things like justice and fairness and freedom and honour and respect and rights and liberties! That’s what the White people want. But the Chinese and Indian bug people they don’t know. What the fuck does fairness and righteousness and justice mean to them? This isn’t in their psyche. This isn’t in their psyche. These words are Western words. These are Western concepts. These belong to us!

 

And so to change the culture into the tyranny that they’re trying to make, they need to replace us. And they can’t replace all the Whites all at once, so they got to brainwash them in school. And so we’re seeing the anarcho-tyranny playing out where you’ve got children. They can’t be punished for basically what is proto-criminal behaviour.

 

So that’s the anarchy. But they can be punished. If you say the word “gay”, I guarantee there’s a punishment for it. I guarantee there’s consequences. If you said the word “gay” in class, you get punished! But you punch the teacher:

 

“Oh, why are you feeling this way? What’s wrong? Tell us why you’re feeling this way.”

 

Joel Davis: See if you punch the gay kids?

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, I have one anecdotal story. We have run a similar. We haven’t run the experiment. I’m aware of an anecdotal, …

 

Blair Cottrell: We [chuckling] have some experience in this! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Ha! [chuckling] There were some gay jews that tried to run me over the car and shit happened. But that’s a different discussion.

 

We have in the school environment, one of the younger siblings of a member was made aware. I think he’s like 13 or something. He was made aware that there was going to be a tranny at school the next year.

 

So the teachers sat all the kids down, said:

 

“When Jeffrey comes back next year, he’s actually not Jeffrey. He’s like, Janice and it’s a girl now, and you have to refer to him as a girl.”

 

And although all the boys in the class apparently just had a huddle and were like:

 

“Let’s just bully the fuck out of this faggot!”

 

And then they just went, as soon as Jeffrey came back, and he was like, all the teacher and the girls were like, trying to call him Janice and all this, and all the boys were like:

 

“Shut the fuck up, Jeffrey! You faggot!”

 

And the whole class did it, and they couldn’t expel everyone. So the kid eventually just dropped out of the school. So the Zoomers are winning. Actually, I think these are, these might be Gen Alpha. These might not even be Zoomers. I think we’re seeing, …

 

Blair Cottrell: The exact same thing happened, … When you were telling that story, the same thing happened in Port Phillip Prison when I was there. And it was a little jewish woman who was part of the prison staff, who brought into our unit a young Indian kid. I think he was about 18, 19 years old, but he was doing minimum ten year sentence because he killed his White girlfriend. I don’t know what the circumstances were. But in prison, when you kill a young girl, the other prisoners don’t really appreciate that. And it tends to be the sort of crime that if you’re convicted of it, you spend your time in the “slot”, we call it, or solitary confinement. You don’t really mix with the mainstream of the prison, for your own safety.

 

But yeah, one of the little jewish woman she was called the Youth Development Officer. Uh, she was all right to me, but she came up with this idea:

 

“We’re going to integrate this person into the mainstream unit.”

 

We had a meeting headed up by this woman who said:

 

“Look, there’s a guy coming into this unit who’s you know, he’s convicted of murder, he’s made a mistake and all that, but we’re trying to integrate him into mainstream to give him a chance.”

 

And the same thing happened, like, as soon as she left the room, we all just looked at each other, because we heard the details of what he’d done, and we’re just like:

 

“Let’s just fucking get this cunt!”

 

So [chuckling] he was only in there for an hour, but before he had to be taken out. [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, Well, based!

 

Thomas Sewell: You cannot stop the Aryan spirit, and it lives in the youth, so good luck to them.

 

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Joel Davis: Yeah, I mean, getting suspended from school isn’t even that bad. I mean, you just get to sit at home for three days. Yeah, it’s one of the best punishments. Well, when I got suspended, my dad would, like, pack up the Xbox and take it with him to work, so I couldn’t play it. Fucking asshole!

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, my dad used to hide it. But he thought I didn’t know where he hid it, but I knew. So when he wasn’t home, I’d go and get it and then put it back.

 

Joel Davis: That’s what I did first. And then he figured that out. So then he just took it to work.

 

So then I was just fucked!

 

Thomas Sewell: My dad would take the power cable and I just wouldn’t tell him that I just stole a backup one from school. It’s the same power cable. They’re universal. [chuckling] So he took the power cable to work.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. The toaster cord. Yeah, yeah.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. But I’ll talk about this story. Actually, let’s get a bit of a story going.

 

So I don’t know if you guys saw this, but it’s going around:

 

“Sweden to pay immigrants up to $34,000 US to leave. Sweden plans to boost payments up to $34,000 to immigrants who leave the nation that has been a haven for the war weary and persecuted, the Right-wing government, said on Thursday.”

 

So called “Right-wing”, I’m reading. This is from Associated Press.

 

Thomas Sewell: Can you put the article up?

 

Joel Davis: :

 

“The Scandinavian country was for decades seen as a, quote, ‘humanitarian superpower’, but over the years has struggled to integrate many of its newcomers. Immigrants who voluntarily returned to their countries of origin from 2026 would be eligible to receive up to 350,000 Swedish krona, …”

 

Which is $34,000. So what is that? Almost like 50 grand Australian?:

 

“The government, which is propped up by the anti-immigration Sweden, Democrats, told a press conference, quote, ‘We are in the midst of a paradigm shift in our migration policy’, migration minister Johann Forsal told reporters as the government presented its latest move to crack down on migration. Currently, immigrants can receive up to 10,000 krona per adult and 5,000 per child, with a cap of 40,000.”

 

So that’s a pretty massive increase.

 

Anyway. So this is making a lot of news because I think this is like the biggest payment of any European country or any Western country or I think any country in the world for people to re-migrate back to their countries of origin. And it’s obviously quite significant. There was some polling that was done that suggested that a very substantial portion of a lot of these immigrants, if they were paid enough to be able to resettle back in their homeland, would be interested in going home. So hopefully it gets rid of some of the shitskins out of Sweden.

 

But my response to this is that ultimately this isn’t the way. It’s not going to produce a very large scale of responses. Only a very small minority, I think, of these migrants will take the bait and go home. What’s stopping them coming back again later? I don’t know if there really is any mechanism to stop them coming back later, even after taking the money. Maybe their Visa gets ripped up or whatever, but they could reapply.

 

But also, moreover, it’s still playing into the idea that these immigrants are entitled to, basically the free choice of what country they want to live in and support to live a good life on the back of the Swedish taxpayer and so on. It isn’t creating disincentives or negative incentives. It isn’t saying we’re going to put a big levy or tax upon immigrants in order to basically make it difficult for them to make a substantial living in Sweden and therefore create the incentive for them to leave. It isn’t forcibly removing people.

 

And I think until you cross that boundary where you say:

 

“I’ll be willing to make the lives of immigrants substantially worse and actually ruin their choices, not expand their choices and try and give them a golden handshake, but actually make their life worse to stay.”

 

You’re not really going to get a substantial shift.

 

Additionally, that’s a lot of money. How the hell are these immigrants entitled to more from, … It’s still, I think, morally wrong almost to take even more from the Swedish people and give it to these browns.

 

But nevertheless, it probably, probably will reduce the overall numbers to a degree. So it’ll be interesting to see as an experiment how successful the programme is and keep an eye on it. It is part of like a changing attitude, I think, in European politics to the idea of the immigrants going back, which is a positive thing.

 

Blair Cottrell: Could it be a throw off just to placate the public who see what’s happening? Like:

 

“Oh, yeah, we just re-migrated a hundred people!”

 

But then another thousand came in.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, of course. Of course!

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s a step in the right direction. And I know that sounds like a really reformist take, not a revolutionary one. But it, as you said, it’s a new dynamic. It’s a new dynamic. We haven’t really had this dynamic. This hasn’t been a conversation on the table. Now that it’s a conversation on the table, it’s a clever little ploy from the conservatives. It’s like:

 

“Well see some of them went back, see, it is possible.”

 

And then you can just keep ramping it up.

 

And I shared, when the riots were happening in London, I shared an Enoch Powell interview. It’s maybe only like five or seven minutes long. And he’s with a very hostile kind of libtard journalist. And Enoch Powell is talking about these kinds of things, that there’s different measures that the British government could take to turn Britain back to being 100% White or 99.9% White.

 

And obviously he’s talking about a very small community of non-Whites. I think he’s talking about 100,000 or 200,000 that he sees need to go back.

 

Now, obviously, it’s in the millions. Potentially it’s like 10 million. But he does mention that. He says that there’s sort of this carrot and stick dynamic.

 

And then the libtard journalist says:

 

“Well, what happens if they don’t take the carrot?”

 

Basically, what happens if they don’t take these, … The journalist refers to them as “coercive measures” and defines this as coercion because you’re saying:

 

“Here, do this is the easy way because otherwise there’ll be a hard way. It’s like it’s subtly implied that you’re going to bring harm to migrants.”

 

And Powell’s playing the game. He’s not going full Hitler mode because that’s not what he was, but he’s not cucking on the question. He’s kind of trying to hold this, …

 

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Joel Davis: Like, well, I mean, Hitler did play this game. Hitler did make a deal with the Zionists to relocate the jews to Palestine in exchange for, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, yes, technically, yes.

 

Joel Davis: So Hitler invented re-migration in a certain way, you could say.

 

Blair Cottrell: You’re saying that Adolf Hitler explored peaceful solutions to avoid war?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, of course!

 

Actually, at that time in the mid 1930s, because a lot of people say:

 

“Oh, Hitler actually supported zionism!”

 

And like this retarded mental gymnastics. At the time, in the mid 1930s, the International Jewish community was whipping up an intense amount of hatred against Germany at a time when Germany wasn’t as prepared for war as it was at the beginning of the Second World War. This is in the mid 1930s. Hitler only been in power for a couple of years. And the international clique of jews, particularly in New York, but everywhere, were whipping up a lot of anti-German sentiment. And the Poles were very emboldened by this to pursue a kind of aggressive posture against Germany, over the disputed territories and so on. You know, obviously, at the end of the First World War, a lot of former German territories were either handed over to Poland or the free city of Danzig was created as a kind of compromise as well.

 

But anyway, there’s a lot of details. I don’t even want to go down explicating them all. If you don’t know about this, read up on your history.

 

But the point is that Germans were in a relatively weak point at that point. Then the jews basically started fighting amongst themselves. All these different factions of people trying to get together and put sanctions on Germany and put pressure on Germany and make Germany a pariah state in the international community and so on. They kind of got consumed with the “two jews, three opinions”, internal warfare within themselves or internal arguments within themselves.

 

And the only faction within, the most unstable faction within that was the Zionists, who thought that they could exploit how anti-semitic the National Socialist regime was to get a big jewish population to go and participate in their settlement programme in Palestine, because obviously, this is before the state of Israel existed.

 

And at that time, zionism was just a dream of a certain subset of the jewish community in Europe. And they were trying to convince the jews to move there, most of whom had no interest, frankly, in moving to Palestine, because they were living in Europe and doing quite well in Europe and didn’t see the necessity, or didn’t really have the inclination to go and become part of a settler project, which, when you’re the first mover on those kinds of things, it isn’t always particularly in a maybe hostile place filled with Arabs, it isn’t necessarily the most alluring proposition.

 

So they saw what was happening in Germany as an opportunity, so they tried to seize it. And Hitler saw it as an opportunity to get one faction of the jews to maybe turn on the other factions, because then all the other factions would get pissed off at the Zionists for making a deal with Hitler, whilst at the same time getting rid of some jews out of Germany, which obviously was an objective.

 

So Hitler made it, you could say, a deal with the devil, which he thought was good strategy at the time. And it was actually a strategic masterstroke. Hitler was willing to, he was a strategic politician, like any good politician, looking out for the interests of their nation. I mean, he was willing to ultimately make an alliance with Stalin, not really an alliance, it was a non-Aggression pact, but he was willing to do deals ultimately in order to pursue Germany’s interests. And people say:

 

“Oh, this means that the National Socialists actually supported the Soviet Union, supported the jews!”

 

Which is the most ridiculous thing that you could possibly say! These are their mortal enemies. But it was just response to a particular strategic landscape that these things happened.

 

But getting back to re-migration. Unless you guys want to go off on that digression further, you’re welcome to interrupt and do so.

 

On the re-migration issue. I think the most beneficial thing about what the Swedish government is doing with this is that it won’t work. $34,000 US, it’s a substantial amount of money. But ultimately, going back to fucking Shitgannistan, wherever the fuck these people are from, Syria or whatever, you know, it sucks! Going back with 34 grand in your pocket. It’s still shit! And you’d much rather live in Sweden.

 

So I don’t think almost anyone is going to take this deal. And we’ll see that it won’t work. And that ultimately, if you don’t have sticks as well as carrots, you’re not getting these fucking browns out of Europe!

 

And I think we’ll learn that lesson hopefully quite quickly, as a result of the failure of this policy.

 

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Blair Cottrell: You’ll get revolving door, too. What happens when they take the money, go home and run out of money? They’ll come back. And say:

 

“Oh, it didn’t work out. I’ll try again. Where’s the money?”

 

You know you can say:

 

“Oh, well, we’re going to create checks and balances so they can’t apply twice.”

 

But they’ll just come back with a different name. How are you going to tell them apart? They all look the same. [chuckling] Like it’ll be exploited. I think you’re right. It’s not going to work. There’s too many exploits.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. All of this is part of the subconscious rising of racial nationalism. I mean, slightly off topic, but in line with this concept of all these subtle ways of dealing with the problem, White people are just experts of subtle ways of dealing with the problem.

 

Let’s not be overt. Let’s just be constantly subtle. And the father, that cuck in Springfield, Ohio, whose son was killed by a Haitian migrant, and then he got up and did a speech. This is like last week, Blair, or this earlier in the week. And he said that:

 

“He wished that it was a Whiteman that killed his son.”

 

Joel Davis: Want to play it?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, sure.

 

Joel Davis: All right, give me, … You can keep going because it would take me about, …

 

Thomas Sewell: And then there was a community meeting where all these people got up and were complaining about these Haitian migrants.

 

And then there was like a black Governor, or a black town Mayor, and she was like:

 

“This meeting is over. It’s done!”

 

And there was people in the crowd that were like:

 

“But what are we going to do? How are we going to educate all these kids, they don’t speak English!”

 

And they were kind of shouting at the Mayor all these kind of sidetrack issues, not actually addressing the main issue. But it was, there’s like these traitors and there’s these lukewarm, and then there’s the fighters, as Hitler says. And the traitors are like:

 

“I wish a Whiteman killed my son.”

 

Because then there wouldn’t be more racism towards, you know, this enemy.

 

And then the lukewarms are like, they want what’s good. They’re neutral. I think neutral is a really good way of describing the normie, because they just want to live in a functioning society. They’re not bad people, but they want, I think, the same thing that the fighters want. We both want the same thing, but the fighters will come out and say it. The fighters will say:

 

“We’re going to get rid of these Haitians! Just get rid of them! Clear them out!”

 

But the neutrals will say:

 

“Oh, how are we going to? How is the school system going to work? We need to hire more teachers. Who’s going to pay for that? Because none of these Haitians speak English.”

 

And so they’re looking for some kind of gotcha moment. They’re always looking for a gotcha to try to get what they want. The problem is they’re dealing with an enemy. They’re dealing with a traitor. And the traitors like:

 

“Oh, we’ll work that out. We’ll figure that out.”

 

And it’s like:

 

“Damn it! Back to the drawing board. What’s the next complaint? To try to get what we want.”

 

But it’s like, you don’t get what you want by complaining and saying, how is this going to work? Or, like:

 

“How are we going to send the Syrians from Sweden back to Syria? Do we pay them 34,000? What if they come back?”

 

There’s all these kind of arse about face, roundabout ways of trying to resolve the problem.

 

But obviously, ultimately, it’s the stick. You just got to put the fighters in charge, and the fighters, like:

 

“You’re all going home! See you later. Hope you enjoyed your holiday. Bye bye!”

 

You know, no policy, …

 

Joel Davis: Idi Amin, … Sorry.

 

Thomas Sewell: No, that’s all right.

 

Joel Davis: I was just saying, when Idi Amin came to power in Uganda, he just said to the pajeets, because there was heaps of pajeets living in Uganda at the time, you know, part of the British Empire. There was a lot of pajeet migrants through the British colonies all across Africa. You know, Gandhi was actually from South Africa, for example.

 

Anyway, he came to power and he basically told the pajeets:

 

“They got 72 hours to get the fuck out or we’re going to start shooting!”

 

And the pajeets got out!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: You know, now that’s a pretty vulgar, you know, Idi Amin is like some butcher African dictator, but that’s probably the most effective re-migration policy I’ve ever heard of anyway, here’s the video of, …

 

Blair Cottrell: What did Heinrich Himmler say about this subject? He said:

 

“Humanitarianism is the expression of cowardice and weakness.”

 

So all these humanitarian alternatives to dealing with whether it’s, you know, immigrants, re-migration. Well, you know what I’m trying to say. They don’t make you better. I think that’s a problem. A lot of these people have, government officials, people that work in the media industrial complex. What the kind of thing, like, they think that humanitarianism makes them smarter, better people. It doesn’t. It makes you an idiot! It makes you a coward and an idiot! Straight up!

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly!

 

Joel Davis: I’ll play, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Like this guy right here. Like, this guy’s the perfect example of what I’m fucking talking about! Here’s some classic humanitarian cowardice and stupidity from the father of this poor kid that was. I don’t even know how the kid was killed. What’s the story behind this, Joel?

 

[54:56]

 

 

Joel Davis: By the way, talking about physiognomy like he looks like a mutt. He’s quite short. So what happened to this kid, by the way?

 

Thomas Sewell: [words unclear] Down Syndrome.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Yeah, he does.

 

So what happened to this kid? For context, for those who don’t know, there was a Haitian who was driving recklessly, he didn’t have a licence and basically caused a bus to swerve and crash. And an eleven year old boy on the bus that tragically died as he was basically thrown out the window of the bus as it crashed, in some way. And this is his father addressing the media.

 

Father: You know, I wish that my son, Aiden Clark, was killed by a 60 year old Whiteman. I bet you never thought anyone would ever say something so blunt. But if that guy killed my eleven year old son, the incessant group of hate spewing people would leave us alone. The last thing that we need is to have the worst day of our lives violently and constantly shoved in our faces. But even that’s not good enough for them. They take it one step further. They make it seem as though our wonderful Aiden appreciates your hate. That we should follow their hate. And look what you’ve done to us. We have to get up here and beg them to stop. Using Aiden as a political tool is, to say the least, reprehensible for any political purpose.

And speaking of morally bankrupt politicians, Bernie Moreno, Chip Roy, JD Vance, and Donald Trump, they have spoken my son’s name and used his death for political gain. This needs to stop now! They can vomit all the hate they want about illegal immigrants, the border crisis, and even untrue claims about fluffy pets being ravaged and eaten by community members.

However, they are not allowed, nor have they ever been allowed, to mention Aiden Clark from Springfield, Ohio. I will listen to them one more time to hear their apologies. To clear the air my son, Aiden Clark, was not murdered. He was accidentally killed by an immigrant from Haiti. This tragedy is felt all over this community, the state, and even the nation. But don’t spend this towards hate. In order to live Hayden, you need to accept everyone. Choose to shine, make the difference, lead the way, and be the inspiration! What many people in this community and state and nation are doing is the opposite of what you should be doing. Sure, we have our problems here in Springfield and in the US, but, …

 

Blair Cottrell: How was that guy’s, how he says:

 

“Donald Trump and other politicians have used the death of my son for politics.”

 

Really? Wow! Politicians use tragic circumstance for politics. That’s not going to stop, mate! When he says, this needs to stop that’s just been an eternal reality, core component of politics, and it always will be. That’s what politics is.

 

Joel Davis: He talked about a thing that happened.

 

Blair Cottrell: And the fact remains, like, he’s just trying to do what I think he’s Hoodwinked into believing is right. I mean, the guy wrote that, proofread it, and still thought it was a good idea to read that on camera.

 

Joel Davis: Like, just casually, …

 

Thomas Sewell: His wife proofread it. You can tell.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, probably.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: But the fact remains, I hope the guy hears this. I hope the guy hears this. The fact remains, mate, that if that Haitian immigrant was never in the country in the first place, your son would still be alive! It wasn’t the 60 year old Whiteman who killed your son. It was the immigrant. Your son is dead because of that immigrant! Yeah, that’s just a fact.

 

Joel Davis: I just wish that the immigrant had hit him. I wish he died. Hopefully one hits him soon. Hopefully one of these Haitian migrants eats him! I know that they prefer cats and ducks, apparently. Just I saw there’s a bit of controversy about abounding now in the American media because they’ve “fact checked”. Because in the Trump Harris debate, Trump pulled out the line of:

 

“The Haitian migrants, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the dogs!”

 

And they were like:

 

“They fact checked it. No, technically, there’s no evidence of Haitians eating cats.”

 

But I’m seeing all these videos of Haitians, like, breaking cats necks and sucking their intestines out on my Twitter feed. So I don’t know what’s going on there exactly. But what I do know is that they put 20,000 [word unclear] down, and I saw a video of this guy saying that basically the government has come in and is paying way over the odds for the Haitian migrants to take up all the rentals in the town.

 

So everyone got kicked, all their leases got cancelled, and basically everyone were kicked out, because now every landlord can charge the state way over the odds to put a Haitian migrant in their house, and the rent is paid for by the State.

 

And so now there’s mass homelessness in this city. All these White people basically got thrown out of their homes so they could put Haitians in. These Haitians don’t have jobs, so they’re just loitering around on the street. They’ve come from a, you know, Haiti isn’t just war torn, Haiti is a totally, like, failed society where they’re eating mud! They’re eating, like, mud sandwiches, like, for breakfast in Haiti.

 

[1:01:15]

 

Blair Cottrell: And what’s native to Haiti? Are they, …

 

Joel Davis: They’re a bunch of niggas. They’re a bunch of, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Black people. Okay.

 

Joel Davis: They’re niggas. Like, they’re literal, like, slaves. So Haiti’s origin story is, …

 

Blair Cottrell: When you say black people, it’s like, there’s different thresholds of black people. What kind of black people in Haiti?

 

Joel Davis: They are the full niggas.

 

Blair Cottrell: Like, really black, midnight heart of darkness from Africa type thing? Or the ones that can actually run, …

 

Joel Davis: Like, how much milk is in the chocolate? Because they would have raped a lot of Amerindian woman. And all the local, whatever the local DNA was of the kind of Amerindians, they’re probably being kind of garbled up into, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Like, black Brazilians. You know, you see, like, a Brazilian that’s black, and they’ve kind of got a weird kind of Mexican black look to them.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s what the average Haitian looks like. They’re kind of Mexican black. They’re not for Hispanic, but they’re mostly black.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, they’re pretty nigger. Like, they’re niggas.

 

Anyway, the point is, Haiti was built off the slaves revolting against the French. And to the eternal shame of the British Empire, we helped them in our animosity to the French. They overthrew and mass raped and mass murdered. And ate literally, like, consumed the flesh of all the French that could get their hands on.

 

Thomas Sewell: 1830s, was it 1840s?

 

Joel Davis: Correct.

 

And basically, Haiti has been an anarchic cesspool of totally degenerated you know, nigger-retardation ever since. It’s like there’s African countries that are totally failed states where they’ve got child soldiers and weird voodoo magic and cannibalism and so on. Haiti has basically got that going on. Like, it’s a total shitscape. So bringing Haitian in, …

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s, like, worse than India. It’s actually a country worse than India. India is disgusting! But Haiti is India on steroids. Like, the trash is piling up in the streets. No one takes the trash out. So imagine years of rubbish everywhere. They’ve chopped down every tree. It’s an open sewer. It’s an open sewer!

 

And as Joel articulated, it was built. Yeah, we’ve got a problem. Yeah, it was.

 

Blair Cottrell: Remember the children are walking barefoot and pot bellied! We got a problem! Remember that testimony?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Black people. Not one seafaring ship. Not one! [chuckling]

 

Blair Cottrell: And they never built one boat that was seaworthy. Not one! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Haitians are disgusting!

 

And again, they have the legacy of White genocide. Haiti as a country, I mean, it was a French colony, as Joel articulated, probably ten or 20% French. And then a whole bunch of African slaves were there picking the cotton fields, or it was probably sugarcane or fruit, something like that. And, yeah, there was a planned revolt, and they overthrew the French overlords and they killed them all. And they killed all the mulattoes that were in any sort of administrative or middle tier, middle rank, kind of like the Second Class, if the first class was the full blooded Whites, and the kind of Amerindian or African mulattoes with White blood in them were the kind of Second Class that helped, like the house niggers. And then the third class were the field niggers.

 

And basically the field niggers revolted and killed all the Whites, ate them and raped them, and then they killed all the mulattoes. Because they had too much White in them and they didn’t trust them. So they killed all the people that knew how to manage a farm, how to do anything [chuckling] other than just the most basic manual labour and be told what to do.

 

So then they all starved to death. Basically, like, 80% of the population died. And then what’s left are kind of the cannibals that managed to survive that genetic selective process. So they’re just, the worst scum, …

 

Joel Davis: That’s why foreign aid is disgusting, because they send all these UN aid packages to breed the Haitians back up to a large level.

 

Thomas Sewell: And then they dump them on America like a bio, …

 

Joel Davis: Like just degenerate into savagery and their population numbers will just collapse and barely any of them will be alive, which is good because they’re an abomination. But no, we’ve got to go and send in UN aid packages and raise money for Haiti. And then now we’ve got millions and millions of Haitians, and then all these do good libtards and shit now start importing them into the United States.

 

And actually Kamala Harris herself, like, personally presided over a programme to resettle Haitians in the United States en masse, which is why it has been made into a political campaign issue in the US presidential election over the past week, because they’re able to kind of pin this on her specifically.

 

And Trump was posting all these memes about how, like Kamala Harris is wants to kill all the cats in America and cats for Trump and shit! It’s kind of, it’s become this whole meme. And people have criticised it, saying:

 

“Why is he focusing on the eating cats thing.”

 

Rather than on the real issues of how, like, White people, like, you didn’t really say anything about how, like, average White people in Ohio, how their quality of life has been basically thrown off a cliff and their entire town has been ruined and thrown into chaos. So he’s not really kind of taking it seriously with his rhetoric, but just going for the meme. But the meme solicits the media reactions. So that’s like one argument for going for it.

 

But what’s interesting, I guess, about this is a few things, actually. One, they identified Catholic charities as being integral in the process of resettling them. And people say:

 

“Oh, but the Catholic charities are all run by jews!”

 

It’s like, yeah, there’s some jews involved, but, like, you have to acknowledge, libtard Catholics literally presided over this mass resettlement Program of Haitians.

 

[1:07:25]

 

Blair Cottrell: The Catholics had to sign off on it.

 

Joel Davis: There’s a whole bunch of libtards that are in the Catholic Church that operate within the Catholic Church’s framework.

 

Thomas Sewell: I bet the women have the same haircut. [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, that’s interesting dynamic because, you know, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Long house haircut. Oh, God!

 

Blair Cottrell: You guys seen that theory? Apparently there’s this supernatural creature called the Mothman. They made a movie about it with, yeah, what was that guy’s name? It’s a real story. If there’s real sightings of this creature called Mothman that appears before a tragedy is going to happen and tries to warn you about it. And there’s stories about it having been seen a lot in Ohio right before a bridge in Ohio collapsed. I think it might have been in the nineties. But I was just saying [chuckling] that as a result of the immigrants from Haiti, maybe there’s a shitload of Mothman sightings right now. [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: The Haitians probably ate the Mothman, bro!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, [chuckling] Mothman’s probably dead.

 

Blair Cottrell: Oh, man! He was just trying to warn us. [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, the Haitians ate that nigger. It’s over! I don’t know. Maybe he’s not cute enough for them to eat. They seem to only eat cute things, like French people, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I took notes. Hold on. I took notes before when that cuck was talking, because it’s really important, like, dissecting that dad whose son died. He kept saying:

 

“It’s a political tool. It’s a political game.”

 

And what it came across is he is thinking politically. I don’t think the average person is thinking that politically, if the prime minister or the president talks about their son dying, they’re not thinking like:

 

“Oh, this fucking asshole! How dare he talk about my son dying!”

 

You know if someone’s son died, and then if you’re not a political person and the Albanese says that, like, mentions about the son dying, you’re not going to get upset about that you can be like:

 

“Oh, well the government recognises this tragedy, okay. Like, they’ve got their take on it.”

 

But you don’t think, like:

 

“They’re trying to win the argument. How dare you try to win the argument. You’re trying to win the argument!”

 

It’s very feminine the way he was talking came across, so he wasn’t concerned about the truth, which should be your main concern. Like, if your son died, someone’s responsible.

 

And then later on, he didn’t even say that the Haitian was responsible. He specifically said, although he is correct, it’s not murder, it’s manslaughter.

 

But he didn’t say that it was manslaughter. He said it was “accidentally killed”. So that the Haitian wasn’t responsible:

 

“It’s not the Haitians fault. You see. There should be no consequence, there should be no punishment, because it was an accident!”

 

And this is this just this long house. It’s this constant, overwhelming force coming from these faggot cucked men and women, and a lot of women as well. But I’m mostly focused on the men.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s objectively not an accident as well. It’s culpable driving. That’s not an accident. It’s even legally recognised. It’s a crime.

 

Joel Davis: We did a vehicular homicide. And he said:

 

“Wouldn’t it be good if I wish it was a 60 year old Whiteman that killed my son?”

 

Yeah, he said that. Murdered. So White men does it. You want it to be a murder because you want to be able to talk about how evil White people are or something like it’s, …

 

Blair Cottrell: What a failure of a father. Like, dismal failure of a father is all that comes to mind.

 

Thomas Sewell: So they are always projecting. He’s saying:

 

“How dare JD Vance and Donald Trump use this as a political tool so that they can win their political game!”

 

But he is using it as a political tool! He’s trying to win a political game, and he’s projecting! They are only mentioning the truth, and he doesn’t want the truth mentioned because the truth gets in the way of him and his traitor ilk winning their political game! That’s my breakdown of it.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. And I’ve seen this many times, particularly in England. But you see, I’ve seen it in America as well, where a young person, child, is murdered by some kind of illegal immigrant or other type of immigrant, and the parents are brought out to say:

 

“It’s nothing to do with race!”

 

Thomas Sewell: And I love Mexico.

 

Joel Davis: You don’t blame any particular community.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Stop the hate!

 

Joel Davis: If I was killed as a child by some shitskin, you know, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Tell me you would not come back as a ghost. You’d come back as a ghost.

 

Joel Davis: Like fucking niggers!

 

Blair Cottrell: You’d come back as a ghost.

 

Joel Davis: Okay. Like, at least my death was kind of cool. At least my parents are angry. Like, at least I was loved as a child.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Tell me you would not come back as a ghost and whisper into your father’s ear every night until he did something about it:

 

“Kill them all!”

 

[chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, yeah, speaking of, there’s another story, an opposite story that Joel shared today of the Swedish teenagers that tortured and killed that Afghani rapist. They all got off!

 

Joel Davis: Oh, yeah, yeah. So they actually, I think, were convicted originally, but they got off on appeal.

 

So basically the story TLDRx is that, so this Swedish girl was raped by some Arab piece of shit, and she must have sent him a message or something, saying:

 

“Oh, hey, like, let’s meet up.”

 

Or whatever, and lured him in so that all of her friends could basically fuck him up and kill him. Now, I don’t think, like, she obviously can be like:

 

“Oh, I didn’t know what they were going to do.”

 

So she obviously, I think, got away with that one. But they were all tried for murder, but they were acquitted on appeal because none of them talked. And their lawyers argued that:

 

“Well, all five of them couldn’t have done the murder at the same time. So that means you don’t actually know which one of them actually committed the murder.”

 

[1:13:40]

 

Blair Cottrell: Who cares? Just convict them all!

 

Thomas Sewell: No, we say don’t convict them all. No! Five White kids killed a black, Blair, you’ve misread.

 

Blair Cottrell: Oh, sorry, I heard the wrong way around. Don’t convict them. Don’t convict them!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Black raped a White girl. And then the five White friends of the White girl lynched the black and torched him.

 

Blair Cottrell: And they got away with justices served. Why is there even any court case.

 

Thomas Sewell: And they got away with it. The reason why they got appealed is because nobody talks, everybody walks! That’s the fucking rule! No comment! [chuckling]

 

Blair Cottrell: Imagine that. Imagine White boys understanding how White courts work.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. Nobody talks, everybody walks!

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Anyway, that’s just interesting story. Yeah, took some pleasure in it.

 

So, yeah, like hail to those kids.

 

Thomas Sewell: Swedish friends.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Good luck to them. Hope they enjoy their freedom. They deserved it, but, …

 

Thomas Sewell: They’re heroes.

 

Joel Davis: Teenage girls that get raped by these fucking shitskins and then they end up killing themselves. I like that this Swedish girl, instead of killing herself, went and got her friends together and was like:

 

“Let’s kill this fucking motherfucker!”

 

That’s a nice response. Yeah, exactly!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Then it needs to happen more often because I can’t fathom. Every man is gonna get, and not every man, but some men are gonna get tested in life with something as serious as this. A family member, you know, their wife, their daughter, you know, is going to have a bad circumstance with multiculturalism and diversity. And when that happens, you should really consider is it worth living in the shame of not doing something about that? Now I’m not going to advocate for violence because that would be illegal. But are you going to live in shame for the rest of your life, or are you going to do something about it?

 

And if it never happens to you, then you’re kind of lucky in a way that you never get your mettle really tested.

 

But yeah, it’s good to know that there are people out there that are like:

 

“Fuck it! I’m going to die on this hill. This is unacceptable. I don’t care what the punishment is. I don’t care what the consequences are. This should not have happened. And we need justice!”

 

And the Swedish courts. I mean, there’s cases and for sure they did this with the motivation and with the knowledge that there are cases of Swedish girls that have been raped. They’ve gone to the police. The police have locked up or arrested the rapist and the courts have let the rapists go and then paid them out 3 million krona or whatever the fuck it is for undue processes or something like that.

 

I mean, there was a there was an Afghani or Syrian that raped a Swedish girl recently and he was released and then he sued the Swedish government for some sort of like. There was some issue with the paperwork.

 

I can’t remember exactly what it was, but it was like he didn’t prove that he didn’t do the rape. He just proved that some undue process he had to go through like as part of his incarceration. And he got paid out like millions of krona, which I think is like hundreds of thousands of dollars, like 700 grand or something. And he got an early release as well. I think he only did three years and he was meant to do six or something. And it’s just fucking disgusting!

 

So if the justice system won’t do their job, it’s time for just global White civil disobedience and we should just get our own justice.

 

Joel Davis: I agree very much with Hersant’s view that we don’t give anywhere near enough love to the KKK anymore. [Thomas laughs] Ku Klux Klan. No, they seriously, they are true fucking heroes of the Aryan race. They kept America’s streets safe for White people for decades, not just through infiltrating the government and basically running the Democrat party for many, many generations. But also through some extra legal guarantees of peace and order in the streets. And they deserve a lot more respect and admiration.

 

At one point, think about this. At their peak, I think in the 1920s, like, one in ten American men were in the Ku Klux Klan. That’s how many klans from. They had like 5 million klansmen or something in the United States. And, well, America was a White supremacist country at that point. And black people did not fuck around. They were behaving themselves largely across the board, you know, trying to wear a suit and go to church and prove themselves to the Whiteman. And the Whiteman actually had a dignified existence in the United States at that point in history. And America was a great nation thanks to the Klan!

 

And since the Klan was dissolved basically after the Second World War, the whole place has gone to shit! So really, the Ku Klux Klan was really holding together, the whole of America when you look at it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Was that thanks to the Klan, or was the Klan kind of born of that circumstance? Maybe a bit of both.

 

[1:19:05]

 

 

Joel Davis: Well, I think the Klan deserves a lot of credit. I mean, because they had basically infiltrated the courts, the legal system, the state itself. They were incredibly well connected in addition to the extra legal activities, let’s say.

 

So it’s not just about you know, lynching some rapist negro, but it’s about the fact that they basically strike fear into the heart of those communities. Like:

 

“Well, you better not fuck around because the Klansman is going to fetch the rope!”

 

So when you create that credible fear. Like, we’re talking about Hitler’s re-migration policy, when the jews are like:

 

“Here’s your ability to move to Palestine, or you can stay in Germany with us. And here’s all the Goebbels anti-semitic propaganda getting Beamed at everyone.”

 

And the Nuremberg rally and stuff. It’s like:

 

“Where do you want to go jews?”

 

At the moment, there isn’t the fear to go along with the “here’s your way out”. Where when the Klan was around, there was, fear is the only language these savage races understand. It really is.

 

But, yeah, but organised White Mendez are the backbone of civilisation. Civilisation cannot stand without organised White men holding together justice in a society and order.

 

And so I think the Klan deserves a lot more credit than it gets. Because a lot of their activities were clandestine. That, like they can’t be celebrated as openly and ostensibly as the cause for what was looking back on it now, a golden era, really, in American history. That kind of White supremacist zenith that was the early part of the 20th century.

 

But I think you know, looking at it objectively, I think they have to take a very substantial amount of the credit for that. And they should be admired. I’m not saying everyone should get the White Hoods out and redo the whole Klan larp, but they should be admired nevertheless, a lot more in the culture for the role that they played. And that’s probably a controversial take. And people say:

 

“Oh, but then the Klan, there’s all these they were Freemasons and they went after this group, they went after Italians and blah, blah, blah!”

 

Yeah, whatever. Like I’m not, I don’t really want to get stuck in the minutiae of all of that. I was talking about the very basic, the very basic kind of fact of White men organised around, you know, rudimentary justice, racial justice and racial self defense.

 

And society is breaking down. The civil order is breaking down. This is going to be the only way that you’re going to be able to secure your communities going forward in the coming decades. Like, the state is not going to Reform itself and become better at executing law and order. Like the anarcho-tyranny is only going to get more and more retarded as time goes on.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. Think about Ohio as a textbook example where the government are nefarious. And a malicious government can send, 20,000 turbo niggers into your town of, I think it was either 38,000 or 58,000 Whites. And they sent like a quarter of the population, or a third of the population to just, … And they’re mostly, what? Young fighting age men. And they’re all speaking, you know, they’re all foreigners in a big country, so they’re going to stick together.

 

So even though they’re only a third of the population, that’s a powerful third, a very powerful third. Because most of the Ohio, it’s probably, they’ve got more fighting age men. I would guarantee that’s 20,000 Haitians would be more fighting age men than 60,000 Whites, because you’ve got women. And then think about all the old people that are in Ohio. Springfield, it’s like a small town. Like, mostly young people probably moved to the big cities for work.

 

So they’ve just built, they’ve just shipped an army of blacks into your town! And this is why White flight is not the solution. And having more children is not the solution.

 

I mean, these things are they can assist, you know, setting up defensible positions is important. Getting out of the poison and the poverty and, it’s just like the environment, culturally and physically, is polluted in the cities. So, yeah, it’s important to live somewhere that you can be healthy and raise children in a healthy way. And of course, healthy children is important. Having as many as you can.

 

But it still doesn’t solve the problem. Just more White people for the meat grinder. I mean, we can’t, we’re not going to out breed these population groups. We have to actually solve the problem before they become the demographic majority.

 

And that’s why it’s so important. As always, here’s a little segment for today’s show to get active, to build in real life community. Because I watched the town hall meetings. I watched two of them from Ohio, Springfield, and they were disgusting! It was like the, there was a couple men with some courage that stood up and they’re saying:

 

“Why is this happening? And this is not right and this is unfair.”

 

And then they basically get told:

 

“This meeting is over. This meeting is over!”

 

Like the DMV lady, like the black Mayor is like:

 

“This meeting is over. We’re not doing this!”

 

And then they’re standing there like:

 

“That’s illegal. You can’t do that you can’t shut down a meeting mid Question Time, or mid speaking time. This is against the Constitution or against the rules of Ohio. You know, the state legislator has to allow the time. The public has a right of reply, or a right of engagement in the political process, and you’re just undermining those rights.”

 

And the real question is, what the fuck are you going to do about it? You know, the system now is so nefarious and evil, it just makes the rules up as it goes along.

 

So what are you going to fucking do about it? You don’t get a right of reply. You don’t have Civil Liberties! You can’t sit there and say:

 

“I don’t want 20,000 Haitians in my town!”

 

They don’t give a fuck! They just steamroll you’re just an individual and individuals, …

 

Joel Davis: If you had 20,000 Klansmen in Ohio.

 

Thomas Sewell: Exactly! It was very different.

 

Joel Davis: Whose cats are getting eaten then? No one.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, [chuckling] 20,000 Klansmen. But that’s the point. You can’t run from this. You can’t hide from this. No matter where you are, no matter how isolated or how alienated you are, if you’re in the cities, you’re surrounded on all sides.

 

Like where I live right now, in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne, there’s probably 70 or so houses on my street, I’ve only seen, other than myself, only two other White families. There’s three White families on my street. And I’m in a kind of a middle class or like well, there’s no such thing as middle class anymore, but I’m in a decent area in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne.

 

Joel Davis: You’re surrounded by gooks, not Indians and niggas.

 

[1:25:45]

 

Thomas Sewell: There are Indians. No, no, there’s a lot of Indians. There’s three Indians in very close proximity, but it is mostly Chinese. But there’s also a lot of Indians. It’s probably, like 80% Chinese and probably 15% Indian.

 

But, you know what I mean? Like, there’s no running from there’s no hiding from this. We got to organise everywhere we go, whatever town you’re in. That town meeting would be very different if there was 100 or 200 men! Actual fucking men in the town! If there was just 100 or 200 men in that town of 58,000, and they went to that town meeting and they said:

 

“No, this meeting isn’t over!”

 

And they fucking, you know, who’s going to turn on those 200 men? The local police? No fucking way! They’d have to bring the feds in. They’d have to bring in some outside force to crush those 200 men! Because the local police would probably side. What if it’s in a small town environment, I don’t see any reason why these 200 men couldn’t be friends with the local police in a small town. That would be appropriate. It’s not like you’re dealing with the feds. You’re not breaking the rules there. You know, the Klan was very successful at controlling local police forces.

 

So, yeah, we need the Klan. We need to bring back the Klan. Jacob was right again.

 

But, yeah, just get active!

 

Joel Davis: Telegram, look up NSN contact bot or EAM contact bot, either one. And send a DM. And we’ll put you in touch through messaging the EAM or NSN contact bot with your most local representative.

 

So you can be better. You can join the organisation. Because yeah, no one else is going to build the Klan in this country except us. We’re the only ones building it. So you got to join us. You got no other choices.

 

Blair Cottrell: Be worth researching the how do you say Ku Klux or Klu Klux?

 

Joel Davis: Ku Klux Klan.

 

Blair Cottrell: Jacob still calls me Klansman, and I think he does it because I used to be against all the KKK stuff. But then I actually asked myself:

 

“What do I know about the KKK? Really? Nothing!”

 

So I can’t comment.

 

Joel Davis: He’s just like, klansman? Klansman! Like when he walks in the room, he shakes everyone’s hand and just says, Klansman! It’s actually White [word unclear]

 

Thomas Sewell: But he is correct. We are of the White clan. You know, we are. You know, the Klans were powerful. When I had that conversation with the Scottish descent Aussie farmer, he was talking about how all the farms. He lived one suburb over from Pakenham. What is it, Nar Nar Goon? And he was founding stock. His great grandfather bought that farm off the British Crown prior to Federation. And everyone had between 60 to 100 hundred acres. And they were all Scottish families. And he was telling me about how when he grew up, everyone, he had the smallest family because he only had five kids and everyone bullied him for it. And everyone else, he was like:

 

“The McMillan’s, they had 15 and these guys, they had twelve, and these guys had 13.”

 

And he said:

 

“If there was a problem in the town and you did something to one of these girls or you know, you did some bad business dealing with one of these families, you would have a hundred guys at your door!”

 

And he’s talking to me about this regarding Covid. I didn’t bring up Covid, but he was talking about the protests in the city. He was talking about what the government was doing to people. And he said:

 

“That’s the problem with today.”

 

This guy was 73 years old, same age as my father. He said:

 

“That’s the problem with the people today is we got things done in the past. The government couldn’t do this stuff to us in the past.”

 

And then he used these words. He said:

 

“Because we were a clan!”

 

He used those words. He said:

 

“We were a clan! There were six families here, and everyone had around ten kids each on average. So we were a clan. We were like a greater family. And the clan inside the clan, they were all community because the daughter from one of the McMillan’s married the Forbes’s and da da da da da.”

 

So there’s blood, loyalty, there’s loyalty. There’s blood and honour. There’s natural foundational loyalty because that’s your brother in law. You’ve got like hundreds of like, second relations. You have a duty! You’ve got fucking a dog in the fight. You got skin in the game. Literally got skin in the game! If something happens to one of these people, if the government fucks with one of those people like, I think about that pregnant lady that was helping organise the Covid rallies, or she shared a Covid rally post on Facebook, and then like, 20 counter-terrorism rocked up to her house and she’s like, pregnant.

 

I remember seeing that video. And it just makes you, … It makes you burn inside when you see it. You’re like, if we were a real community, if we were a real clan, as White people, that wouldn’t be tolerated! Those cops would never be able to live it down. Those cops would never, ever get a handshake ever again! They would be spat on in the streets, everywhere they went! That they would be. They would have to leave the police force, they would have to run away, they’d have to change their name and go to another country. If we were a real country, if we were a real clan.

 

I’m not fed posing, I’m just saying, just the social pressure, just the ostracisation, businesses would say:

 

“You’re not welcome here. Get the fuck out! You did that to my sister in law!”

 

Or my cousin’s sister in law, or whatever the hell relation it is if we were actually tight knit! If we’re actual community, you know, that’s power! That’s real power. That’s grassroots power. A couple hundred, …

 

Blair Cottrell: This is why it’s in the interests, the system, to encourage hyper individualisation, right?

 

So everyone sees themselves as separate from each other. Everyone’s got their own mortgage, their own Netflix subscription. Everyone sits by themselves and doesn’t look at each other. And that’s the kind of culture we have to break.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. And just the obsession with social media. I think ultimately it’s a good thing. The more regulation they put, I don’t think this problem is going to be solved with social media. I think it’s good that we can organise using it and we can spread our ideas more rapidly than we ever have before.

 

But all the action is coming from in real life. All the action is coming from grassroots, from community building, from activism, from training together, from building culture from scratch, whatever that culture may be, whatever temple or institution that we’re building from scratch, whether it be a school, or a gym, you know, whether it be for fertility or martial, whatever it is. We’re rebuilding the pantheons. And I think that’s important.

 

Joel Davis: I think the concern with the yeah, I don’t really have a problem with you know, banning children off social media. I think there’s more harm than good that comes from them participating in that kind of thing I’m sure they’ll find ways around it, frankly. I don’t know exactly how feasible it will be. It just seems like a pretext to bring in-laws to mandate using, basically identifying yourself when you create social media accounts and log into social media accounts as a way to, basically give the government records of exactly whose Twitter account is whose and so on. Which seems to be kind of a step, therefore beyond that, to be able to bring in hate speech legislation and start actually door knocking people for racist tweets and so on like they do in Britain.

 

[1:33:06]

 

 

So that is a bit of a concern. It’s more like the kind of, oh, this is a pretext that you can get mums and dads behind, you know, everyday punters. Like:

 

“Yeah, you know what? Maybe we shouldn’t have twelve year olds on Instagram. Maybe that’s actually kind of fucking up the kids. We shouldn’t have, you know, twelve year olds scrolling TikTok for 3 hours a day watching skippity toilet videos and shit!”

 

I can understand that.

 

So then they’ll support it. And then all of a sudden you bring in they bring in a measure that can lead to like hate speech regulations. So, it’s one of those issues.

 

By the way, I think there’s actually going to be a rally against this, against the government censorship, the Misinformation Bill, which is a separate thing as well as related issues such as digital ID and so on, in Sydney this weekend. I think I have the details here somewhere. I’ll just pull them up. For those of you, I don’t live in Sydney anymore.

 

Thomas Sewell: Is there a Melbourne one?

 

Joel Davis: I haven’t seen anything in Melbourne as of yet. If anyone knows of anything, please send it to me.

 

But in Sydney I saw this is posted by John Ruddock, who is a member of New South Wales Parliament for the Libertarian Party. So it seemed like a kind of a big tent kind of thing. Speaker’s Corner in Sydney [https://soapboxspeakers.wordpress.com], which is on Art Gallery Road, The Domain, opposite New South Wales Art Gallery, if, you know, where that is in the city.

 

John Ruddock said here:

 

“Federal Labour has introduced the most insidious Bill since Federation, the Combating Misinformation and Disinformation Bill. They are erecting an East German style surveillance state. They want to treat us like farm animals. Join the resistance on Saturday the 28 September.”

 

So actually, no, it isn’t this weekend. I’m glad that I read this. It’s 11:30 in the morning, Saturday the 28 September. So that’s not tomorrow Saturday, but it’s actually Saturday, two weeks from tomorrow. So that gives you plenty of time to. We’ll talk about it some more. I really encourage nationalists to go down there, get your mates, go down there. Even just for the networking reason. It’d be good for there to be a good show of public opposition to force some discourse and embolden the Right-wing parties to put up some resistance to this, because it has to go through the Senate. And yeah, the Left do have the numbers, but in the Senate it gets a little bit complicated.

 

So it could be good to force some public debate and perhaps take a little bit of the edge off the Bill for some to negotiate it a little bit or something. But even if that isn’t possible, just go down there and go network. It’s a good opportunity to meet potentially sympathetic normies. I did like that John Roddick said “East German style”. As well, that’s nice. That’s obviously communist East Germany that he’s referring to. I like that he’s attacking. Libertarians are usually a bit better about this attacking than conservatives. They’ll attack it as a communist thing rather than as a “fascist” thing, which is better messaging.

 

But yeah, I have said before as well, I do think we should have some strategic friendship as much as possible between nationalist and libertarian factions in Australian politics, because a libertarian faction does care about putting up a defense of our free speech rights, which nationalists desperately need in order to advocate for our worldview. I don’t think libertarians really have much of a chance at becoming a real threat to us in becoming a very prominent political faction that could seize power, but they can nevertheless mobilise in defense of freedom of speech. And so I think we should be friendly on that grounds.

 

And often a lot of libertarians can be not so bad on quite a few issues. Like a lot of the libertarians that I speak to are usually more Right libertarians that are will agree that, yes, immigration has gone way too far and should be stopped and they’re importing Left-wing voters. Then they’ll stop short of being full race pilled. But nevertheless, politically speaking, they’re a lot better than pretty much all the other factions on a lot of the key issues.

 

So I think it’s worth having an open dialogue with them. Not making our points and our points of disagreement, but also seeing them as another kind of marginalised faction of the Right that perhaps we could kind of get along with. And because they aren’t as hot in terms of the controversy surrounding them, they’re more accepted, even though they aren’t part of the mainstream, they’re like accepted. They aren’t as controversial. So that gives them the ability to kind of operate effectively in ways that when you’re a full on nationalist, you meet a lot more opposition, from the state, from the Left, and so on.

 

Blair Cottrell: Are there any active libertarians like in the, what I suppose you could call the activist sphere? I don’t know of any.

 

Joel Davis: Well, I mean, I just mentioned this guy’s literally a Member of Parliament, John Roddick of the Libertarian. He’s the head of the Libertarian Party in New South Wales. The Libertarian Party seems like it’s reasonably serious faction. That’s the rebranding of the Liberal Democrats, by the way. People might remember the Liberal Democrats. So they obviously have associated people. There’s a lot of, I notice there’s a bunch of libertarians on Twitter. I got jumped into Twitter space with a few of them the other day and debated a few things with them. No, quite friendly, to be fair. And we had a good discussion. So they do seem to have a decent little faction online line, and they seem to be willing to engage in this freedom movement stuff, which is kind of a leftover from Covid. But moving on now to other issues, now that Covid is kind of behind us.

 

So they’re doing a street rally right here. A lot of these people were involved in the Vote No rallies [re the Abo Voice referendum] and that whole clique as well. So there seems to be a certain continuity in general with this general kind of populist, dissident element of kind of the activist kind of big tent. And the libertarian movement seems to make up a big bulk of that. So yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Cool. Do you want to wrap it up? Do the Superchats?

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I think we’ll finish a little bit earlier tonight. I’ve got a big day tomorrow, so I need to get to bed soon. We’ve only had, as far as I can tell, two Superchats on Rumble.

 

So if you want to send one through, do it now, because Joel will be checking our other platforms for Superchats there, too. You’ll have a bit of time to get one through if that’s what you want to do to support the show.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I just also want to mention quickly, before we do the Superchat, this article, because it’s important to mention Jacob this week was in court, Jacob Hersant, we mentioned him a little bit earlier. This is The Noticer article:

 

“Australian facing year in jail for political salute vows to appeal if convicted in landmark free speech case.”

 

 

Basically Jacob has been the first person in Victoria charged with doing the banned Roman salute. And it was kind of like a semi-salute. For those who don’t know, he came out of court after a previous issue was finally resolved and he kind of almost threw a Roman, but then pulled his arm back and was like:

 

“Oh, can’t do that now. It’s illegal!”

 

To the media. And they charged him over it. So Jacob is arguing in court, or his lawyers arguing in court that it’s actually unconstitutional, that the Constitutional implied right to freedom of political communication, which has been established by high court precedent, would make this an unlawful or an unconstitutional law and therefore he shouldn’t be convicted of the crime.

 

But also there’s the softer argument that, well, he didn’t actually do the Roman salute, so it’ll be interesting to see how this case goes. It’s only in the Magistrate’s Court. So above that, there’s County Court, and then there’s like the Supreme Court of Victoria, and then potentially even the High Court. I don’t think it would go that far. I guess it’s possible.

 

Regardless of what happens, whether he wins or loses, getting appealed to a higher court, particularly if he loses, he’ll definitely appeal it.

 

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Thomas Sewell: And if he wins, the government will appeal it. Because if he wins at Magistrates, which is very unlikely, the judge, the magistrate, is the Constitutional law magistrate. He’s a specific magistrate. I can’t remember the guy’s name, but he’s specifically selected for this case because he’s the expert on constitutional law at the magistrate’s level, which is really more focused on obviously Victorian legislation, because it’s not the Supreme or High Court. If he’s a cowboy, then there’s a chance that he can win. But I don’t know the guy, I don’t know what kind of magistrate this guy is.

 

But what the boys said that went and took notes was that the first day the prosecution called a whole bunch of witnesses, including a bunch of communists from Melbourne Uni, and they basically explained to the court a whole bunch of things that are incorrect about the history of the Roman salute. But they also explained that Jacob doing the Roman salute is against the Constitutional rights of minorities to have their political views, and that minorities have an implied right to freely express their opinions in Australia. And Jacob doing the salute is a violation because it intimidates every non-White in the vicinity, and basically that exists in Australia into not expressing their political rights.

 

So they did, like this weird projection where they’re not stopping Jacob’s political rights, they’re stopping Jacob from stopping other people’s political rights, because Jacob doing an arm gesture takes away from the implied right of non-Whites to have rights. It’s a full double-think tautology. Really interesting!

 

So that was the first day of evidence. And then the second day of evidence. So that was the Monday and then the Tuesday, the Victorian government, because it’s a constitutional matter, the Victorian government had to supply a team of lawyers to represent the Attorney General, or the Victorian version of the Attorney General. And they basically repeated, those lawyers repeated almost word for word, the same thing as the communist “think tank” from Melbourne Uni. They basically said the same thing. They said:

 

“Well, this law is constitutional, and we’re here to represent the Attorney General that put this law through.”

 

I’m pretty sure the Victorian Attorney General is a jew. Is that correct, Joel? He’s jewish?

 

Joel Davis: Victorian Attorney General? I know the Federal Attorney General* is jewish.

[* Mark Alfred Dreyfus is an Australian politician and lawyer who has been attorney-general of Australia and cabinet secretary since June 2022, having held both roles previously in 2013 and from 2010 to 2013 respectively. Dreyfus is a member of the Australian Labor Party, and has been the MP for Isaacs since the 2007 election. Dreyfus was born (1956) in Perth, Western Australia, the son of George Dreyfus, a noted composer who came to Australia from NS Germany. He is of jewish ancestry. Wikipedia]

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Dreyfus is a jew. Yeah, Dreyfus was I think, the first politician or one of the first politicians to do the Senate inquiry into us, to try to ban us as a terror group back in 2020. So Dreyfus has been on the agenda the whole time [chuckling] trying to ban us, ban the salute, ban everything! Jaclyn Symes*. Yeah. Okay, well, anyway, representatives of Jaclyn Symes, the Victorian Attorney General, just repeated word for word that Jacob doing the salute, like, is why she. They didn’t say this word for word, but this is kind of what they implied that him doing it kind of creates this, like, “force wave” through society. Like it’s this magic superpower that floats through society again, player. They didn’t say this word for it, but this is what they’re implying. They’re implying his action of doing the salute is so powerful, so gracious, so incredible that it actually basically brain blocks all the non-Whites and jews in the vicinity, in an infinite vicinity within the boundaries of Australia, because it intimidates them. And now they can no longer express whatever it was they were going to express. They’re completely, …

 

[* Jaclyn Symes is an Australian politician and Attorney-General of the state of Victoria. She is a Labor member of the Victorian Legislative Council, having represented Northern Victoria Region since 2014. Symes worked for five years as a ministerial advisor for Rob Hulls, the Victorian Deputy Premier and Attorney-General. Wikipedia]

 

Blair Cottrell: I’d love to see how that was worded. Love to see how they worded that! [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: It’s so insane! It’s like using your rights of political communication, intimidates others into not being able to communicate their political opinions. It doesn’t make any fucking sense!

 

Thomas Sewell: So what I said to Jacob was, I was like:

 

“This is fascinating! This if this law passes, like, if they actually get Jacob on this and they make this legislation, it’s still a political victory from us in the sense of accelerating. The government is just accelerating.”

 

Because we can articulate this to the public that. Hang on a minute. Whites are Second Class citizens. Non-Whites are allowed to express their political views. But if Whites express their political views, it violates the political views of non-Whites! So only non-Whites are allowed to express their explicit political views. Whites are only allowed to repeat the political views expressed by non-Whites. They don’t have any actual individual. Well, not individual. That’s the wrong word. But they don’t have any unique political views that are only for Whites. Those views are banned!

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: So we’re Second Class citizens in our own country!

 

Joel Davis: One thing that could. Could happen here is the judge could rule that, … Could kick the can down the road and rule that:

 

“Well, he didn’t actually complete the Roman salute. He just kind of made his arm halfway extend and then aborted it.”

 

And therefore, he doesn’t actually have to rule upon it as a constitutional matter because he can just simply rule, …

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s the worst case scenario.

 

Joel Davis: But then eventually, at some point, a court is going to have to rule on this because someone is going to do it.

 

Thomas Sewell: Someone is going to do it! [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. [chuckling]

 

But, yeah, I would anticipate. Honestly, I do think we have a very good chance of victory here. Maybe not in the Magistrates Court, but when it goes into the higher courts, because that argument is just so bad! Like, if that’s the best constitutional argument they have, they’ve got nothing! Absolutely!

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s the argument they have.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

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Thomas Sewell: I asked Jacob for more information, and he was like:

 

“That’s the argument they have.”

 

They didn’t have another argument. It was that:

 

“Jacob doing it basically creates negative feelings and harm in non-Whites in the vicinity and violates their rights. So therefore the law should be constitutional because the law isn’t imposing on the rights of Australians, it’s actually assisting the rights of Australians, because it’s stopping people who are trying to stop Australians from expressing their rights!”

 

It’s fascinating, but that’s their argument.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but anyway, I’ll get onto some of these Superchats because Blair’s tired and, uh. Yeah, we got.

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m okay. I’m okay. Don’t mind me. I’m here.

 

Joel Davis: Oh, you’re all right.

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m sick of being the tired one. I’m sick of being the oldest, tiredest one! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, just gonna get on the White energy. The White monster.

 

Joel Davis: I was gonna, I actually had one more video. Do I have permission?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: Blair, I specifically want to get your reaction to this, and maybe you being kind of a little moody might actually make it funnier.

 

So I don’t know if you actually.

 

Blair Cottrell: All right, let’s do it! What have we got.

 

Joel Davis: You might have seen this already because it went pretty viral online. When I saw this, I thought it was fake, and then I realised that I don’t think it actually is fake. I think, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, no!

 

Blair Cottrell: Haven’t seen it yet. So let’s have a look.

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, no!

 

Joel Davis: I can’t believe that this is real.

 

Female in Muslim garb: To the stigmas of Australia, I say that this goofy air government have been capping not just now, but for a long time. A few of you may remember when they said there’ll be no phantom tax under the government I lead. They’re cappaholics!

They’re also yappaholics. They yap non-stop about how their cost of living measures are changing lives for all Australians. Just put the fries in the bag, Lil bro. They tell us that they’re not proving the housing situation in this country. They must have brain rot from watching too much kaisenet [sp] and forgot about their plans to ban social media for kids under 14. If that becomes law, you can forgore skull emoji, all about watching Duke Dennis or catching a dub with the bros on Fort. Chat, is this prime minister serious? Even though he’s the prime minister of Australia, sometimes it feels like he’s the CEO of Ohio. I would be taking an hour if I did not mention the ops who want to cut WA’s [word unclear] and services tax. The decision voters will be making in a few months time will be between a mid government, a dogwater opposition, or a crossbench that will mock both of them. Though some of you cannot yet vote, I hope when you do, it will be in a more goated Australia for a government with more aura, skivity.

 

Blair Cottrell: What did I just watch? What did you make me watch? What’s her strategy for appeals court, …

 

Joel Davis: Only 20 seconds. I couldn’t actually get through it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, man. I don’t know. I’m trying to get over the initial cringe to understand her strategy there. What is it to, … Isn’t [word unclear] too young to vote anyway? Like, aren’t these Parliamentarians whores for votes? The people she’s trying to appeal to can’t even vote yet! [chuckling] I don’t understand. Obviously she’s just looking for clout. Who is this woman? Who’s this headscarf woman in Parliament anyway? Does anyone know? I’ve never seen her before in my life. Maybe that’s the point.

 

Thomas Sewell: I’ve seen her. I’m pretty sure she did a speech. She hit the algorithm a while ago because it wasn’t until the refugee crisis. Didn’t she get in trouble because she went to a meeting that was declared anti-semitic? Isn’t that same one? Fatima? Isn’t that her name? Fatima?

 

Blair Cottrell: Oh, yeah! Yeah, that’s right. Wasn’t she the one who said, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Is she a Green Senator?

 

Blair Cottrell: She’s the Green Senator. She’s the Green Senator who said that:

 

“Regardless of what sort of initiative it is, jewish lobbyists try to get into it and take over it.”

 

She’s the one who said that, wasn’t she? Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s the one. Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: All right, well. Hmm. [chuckling] Maybe I don’t like hater that much. I don’t even know. I don’t know. It’s too late in the night for me to process.

 

Joel Davis: She was in the Greens. I don’t think she the person. You’re just describing someone else. She was in Labour, and she got booted from Labour recently because she refused to vote with them on some resolution about Israel-Palestine, obviously siding with the Palestinians against the government, which has a kind of moderate but more pro-Israel position, obviously, because, you know, who runs the country.

 

Thomas Sewell: She’s Labour.

 

Joel Davis: She’s no longer Labour. So now she’s basically Independent. She’s 28 years old.

 

Blair Cottrell: Not quite as bad as that haka? Remember that Maori woman? And doing the haka in New Zealand Parliament? What is it with women just making a mockery out of Parliament and of themselves in the process?

 

Thomas Sewell: The Greeks predicted that.

 

Joel Davis: Women just aren’t funny. That’s the problem. When they try to be funny. It’s, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, well, I’m not sure. Is it more embarrassing for Fatima, the woman who just delivered that nonsense, or Parliament itself? It’s kind of embarrassing for us. Is it humiliating?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Women in the Senate, …

 

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Blair Cottrell: The more of a dancing monkey they can be inside Parliament or inside our institutions, the more they can make a mockery of those institutions and by extension, of us as a people, I think. Maybe that’s the strategy. Maybe that’s what’s going through her head. And the heads of all of these women in Parliament, that’s probably the best way to understand it, I suppose.

 

Thomas Sewell: She’s married to an Aussie as well.

 

Joel Davis: Obviously you can tell, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, you gotta do something to stand out to these days from the crowd. So she’s probably trying to do that a little bit, too.

 

Thomas Sewell: But all the brown anti-racist women are all looking to get bleached. They’re all hypocrites!

 

Blair Cottrell: Oh, yeah. Well, there’s only one way genetics can go. Like, when it comes to selecting a mate. It’s like, actions speak louder than words. It’s a very cliche, classic saying, but you can always, …

 

Joel Davis: Some, like, fat, super soy, like, libtard guy. Often they’re gingers.

 

Thomas Sewell: And I think he’s kind of half ginger. He’s like a [word unclear] ginger.

 

Joel Davis: Look, I’m not, … This is not ginger hate. People accuse me of ginger hate, because I noticed before, a lot of the White converts to Islam happen to be ginger. And people are like:

 

“I won’t stand for this ginger hate! You’re anti-White! Gingers are White!”

 

Or what I’m not saying gingers aren’t White. I support them. I’m just noticing a trend. They got, like, a certain kind of strangeness they can get pulled into, like, this weird relationship with the Islamic world.

 

And I think it’s because they’re Scythian heritage, and the Scythians once ran that whole region.

 

And so there’s this kind of ancestral, like, those are, like, their ancient enemies, which they have, like, ancient relationships with. And there’s some weird, like, unconscious thing going on. Not saying that there’s something fundamentally wrong with gingers. I’m not saying that. I like gingers. I’m pro-ginger. Some people have thought that I was ginger, incorrectly, because I’m not!

 

But I guess on, like, there’s been pictures of me taken that in a certain light, my hair looks a little bit gingery. And people have accused me of being a ginger online.

 

And I was like:

 

“Well, first of all, that’s not offensive. I’d be quite happy to be ginger if I was. But second, I’m not a ginger. But if I was, why is that bad?”

 

Thomas Sewell: The guys at work asked me, like, last week, they’re like:

 

“Tom, would you rather be a ginger or bald?”

 

Ginger! Instantly ginger! Give me my hair back! [Blair burst out laughing] I’ll be red headed, just give it back! But no, it doesn’t work like that, unfortunately. [chuckling] It’s like half of their personality is just from Family Guy, like, and I think Google’s always listening as well, because after they said that the first thing that came up in my algorithm when I went to put music into YouTube was a Family Guy clip. And it was like, Peter asking the black guy, the wheelchair guy, and the sex pest:

 

“Would you rather be Hitler in 1943, or homeless with a 5% chance of being a billionaire?”

 

Or something like that. [chuckling]

 

And then the wheelchair guy’s like:

 

“Am I still in a wheelchair?”

 

And the black goes:

 

“Am I still black? Am I black in a wheelchair?”

 

[chuckling]

 

And I was like:

 

“Man, this is funny!”

 

You’re almost strawberry blonde. Almost. Yeah, you’re like strawberry blonde.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Well, the red gene is in my family, but the gingers have these special abilities that kind of make them slightly different. Like, sometimes slightly worse, sometimes slightly better. And in my, in the case of my family, I think they’re even better because my cousin plays for Carlton, and he’s one of the redheads in the family. Probably the only one currently, actually. No, there’s two. But the other one’s a woman, so she’s obviously not going to play football. But he plays a professional level, like AFL.

 

Yeah, there’s some qualities that are apparently exclusive to the redhead experience, the redhead human experience. And one of them that I found fascinating was different pain thresholds, sometimes experiencing more pain than other people would from small cuts and grazes. But major injuries don’t cause a great deal of pain.

 

And there’s also a resistance to certain types of drugs, particularly anesthetic. And this is well known by anesthesists or anesthesiologists, if you’re in America, the people who administer the concoction which sedates you and puts you into a deep sleep while you’re being operated on. It’s known by these people that if they get a redhead on the operating table, they all get a bit nervous because they don’t know how that person’s going to react to the anesthetic. A lot of them wake up during the surgery. Sometimes it just doesn’t work on them at all, and they have to pump them with twice as much to get a result. So it’s weird! I haven’t seen any explanation for why this is the case, but redheaded people have some special abilities.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, they’re definitely a unique people, and there’s definitely some ancient law to it. For example, a lot of the mummies of pharaohs in Egypt were redheads.

 

And interestingly, George Washington. I believe it’s George Washington, was a redhead. And they did a DNA testing on him about five years back, or seven years back. And it turns out he has a very rare haplogroup. So most of us are like, R1B or R1BA or something like that, R1A. And there’s a few that are less common for western European people. But he was like some weird haplogroup. He was like J or K haplogroup, which has been traced directly back to most of the pharaohs.

 

So that means he’s a direct, George Washington’s a redhead, and he was a direct descendant. Like direct, not indirect, like a lot of us are, I think Joel put up something today that, like, 80% of Irish people have some, and they’re mostly redheads or not mostly, but they’re the highest. Scots Irish had the highest percentage of redheads.

 

But, yeah, that’s an interesting fact. So it’s obviously an ancient race. There’s obviously an ancient race of redheads that conquered Mesopotamia.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. One of the myths as to why the Scots became known as the Scots, is that because they descended from the Egyptian princess Scotia.

 

And then that’s kind of interesting because you look at, like, Scottish Rite Freemasonry, and it’s got all these pyramids and shit in it! And you’re like, what’s with this, like, weird Egyptian connection? There’s some evidence that the prophet Muhammad, and maybe even Jesus Christ could have been gingers as well, based upon certain descriptions.

 

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Thomas Sewell: The descriptions of Muhammad was that he was a redhead and he had a red beard. That’s why Muslims love redheads. That’s why they’re always trying to recruit gingers, because they want the ginger genes back. It’s just subconscious. They don’t even know why. And they’re not allowed to draw Muhammad, but they, but someone drew his brother and his daughter way, way, way back in the day, and his daughter was blonde and blue eyed. I don’t know, I can’t remember his brother’s hair colour. But they’ve got Muhammad’s beard. They’ve got hairs from his beard in some of the old mosques.

 

And it’s like, if you go to a serious mosque, if you’re a Muslim, they’ve still got, like, artifacts of Muhammad, even if it’s just one hair and it’s almost always red.

 

Blair Cottrell: We are conquerors! Always have been, huh?

 

Thomas Sewell: Even when our ideologies get diluted [chuckling] like Buddhism or, …

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, yeah. So Ginger’s a kino. Like, we should be pro-ginger on the show and in the movement, I think when Hitler painted a picture of Mary and Jesus, he gave Jesus ginger hair. Hitler was ginger pilled!

 

But anyway, there’s enough, you know, gingers, we’ve trolled you before, but we just gave you, like, a nice glazing. Ginger glazing, tonight on the show.

 

Let’s get into some Superchats, and I’ll go to the Entropy chats first. Deer in the Headlights just sent a full stop, so thanks. The Gump said:

 

“Honour to you for keeping the message pure and uncompromised. Hail victory!”

 

Well, thank you. And Based Teneri George said:

 

“Have you, Joel, read Carl Schmitt’s beautiful book Land and Sea? If you have, any thoughts on it, and on Schmitt and his thought more generally, can you name an American White advocate counterpart you especially admire, though he may not agree on everything, my great respect to you Aussie warriors for the race, Joel, Blair and Tom.”

 

Okay, well, you put a lot there.

 

First of all, I have not read Land and Sea, but I have read a lot of Carl Schmitt’s other books. I just reread The Concept of the Political with a reading group we had within the organisation, actually, this week, which is a brilliant book that I’ve read multiple times. Short, but Carl Schmitt’s thought is incredible! I don’t think there’s many political theorists on his level. He’s one of the absolutes! I think he’s the best political theorist of the 20th century. Incredibly prescient. He basically predicted the ideological implications of the post World War Two international order, what form it would take, before World War Two, anyone even knew that was going to happen. He could kind of see the direction that liberalism was going in. And, yeah, very, just incredibly accurate political analysis, I would say, in general, very cutting, like, theoretical analysis in general that basically everyone should be aware of obviously, Carl Schmitt ended up joining the NSDAP and advised it. And also refused de-Nazification after the war. And despite this, he was too big to cancel from Western academia because he was just simply too influential. And so his work remains ubiquitous in kind of Political Science postgraduate courses.

 

I would say about Schmitt that, yeah, like, I think he is an essential reading for people in the movement. A towering figure. So very, very long praise, but I haven’t read his Land and Sea. I am aware that his geopolitical thought, that he kind of largely played off, that obviously he had the idea of great spaces, and he largely played off, I think, the kind of Mackinder Theory* around, like, sea powers and land powers, obviously, in that text, and I think it is quite accurate, when you look at the history of the British Empire with respect to the history of the Germans or the Russians as a land power and a sea power, they have very different kind of political orders. If you’re a sea power, that means that you rule basically through international trade networks.

[* “The Geographical Pivot of History” is an article submitted by Halford John Mackinder in 1904 to the Royal Geographical Society that advances his heartland theory. In this article, Mackinder extended the scope of geopolitical analysis to encompass the entire globe. He defined Afro-Eurasia as the “world island” and its “heartland” as the area east of the Volga, south of the Arctic, west of the Yangtze, and north of the Himalayas. Wikipedia]

 

And so then you bias towards a more commercial form of government, a form of government that is kind of dominated more by commercial interests. And your legal system and your political system will reflect that.

 

And so you can see, that’s why, like the Anglo Saxon world, whether it be American led or British led, has led to a more laissez faire, so to speak, liberal system.

 

Whereas the Germans and the Russians, being that they are land powers, their power isn’t necessarily derived from international trade networks, but from building up the core, the land core.

 

So you can amass, like this, these massive industrial centres and raise massive land armies that can dominate land spaces rather than oceans. And so rather than them being commercially dominated, they’re dominated more by a centralised bureaucratic structure that comports more with massive military forces. And you can see, therefore, in the history of German and Russian politics, particularly in the modern world, tendency towards illiberal political systems as a result.

 

But anyway, I definitely recommend Schmitt, particularly The Concept of the Political, which I think is integral reading.

 

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As for an American White advocate counterpart that I especially admire. Let me put on the spot here a little bit. I have a lot of respect for James KirkPatrick, aka Kevin Deanna, who he works with Vdare, and American Renaissance, but he’s his own man. He’s got one of the best Twitter accounts, very good political analysis, been around for a very long time, and kind of just like, generally very well respected across the scene by most factions. I would say that his analysis is very good because he basically boils everything down to just a pure White Identity Politics position, like pure White identitarianism. No frills, really, no cucking. Incredibly ideologically consistent. And this actually comports with my idea about Carl Schmitt and The Concept of the Political. He has a very Schmittian approach to White identitarianism.

 

In other words, he has a lot of respect for the friend-enemy distinction. Like for Schmitt, the core essence of politics is the distinction between friend and enemy. Not between your personal friends and enemies, but between the public friend and enemy.

 

In other words, who are you willing to fight for? And who are you willing to fight against?

 

In other words, what is the particular way of life and identity that you identify with? Unto war, unto revolution, unto existential conflict. And obviously, if we make that determination in White racial terms, then that then becomes like a totalizing political view. And all other political issues need to be fundamentally processed through a kind of pro-White friend-enemy distinction. And I think his political analysis does that quite effectively.

 

MLG also said:

 

“Will watch on replay. Great work, fellas. Supporting from London.”

 

Thomas Sewell: Is Greg Johnson a faggot?

 

Joel Davis: Yes.

 

Thomas Sewell: People spread rumours about that. Is that true? Is it?

 

Joel Davis: It’s not rumours.

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, that’s sad.

 

Joel Davis: You didn’t know that he was a faggot? That’s unfortunate.

 

Thomas Sewell: I had people say, I don’t own any of his books, but I’ve been kind of buying up some books recently. And someone said to me:

 

“Oh, Greg Johnson’s a faggot.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Oh, that’s a shame.”

 

Joel Davis: Unfortunate, because his outfit Counter-Currents, not just what he has put out, but they’ve put out a lot of good stuff over the years because they’ve published a lot of other authors in the movement. And I don’t think you should just never read anything on their website just because he’s a faggot.

 

But at the same time, they’ve also put out pro-faggot propaganda. There actually was a really good article written by Andrew Joyce a few years ago against the pro-gay. I reread it recently, but yeah, against the kind of pro-gay articles they put out on Counter-Currents, where they would have stuff basically insinuating that being homophobic is actually jewish [Tom starts laughing] and it’s actually Aryan to love fags because in Greco, … Which is kind of an ahistorical analysis of Greco-Roman society, they respected fags. And then the jews came in with their Christian morality and turned us against gays!

 

Thomas Sewell: On Counter-Currents, there’s a book by a guy called James J. O’Meara called The Homo and the Negro.

 

 

And then the blurb says that it’s basically about how homosexuals have been integral for building civilisation because they don’t waste time with women. It’s kind of like that what’s that other faggot? He wrote a book. It’s kind of like Baps [sp] theory book. And it’s about, it’s kind of like manosphere culture, how women are just purely for utility.

 

Anyway, it doesn’t matter. It’s all gay shit! Who cares?

 

Joel Davis: Literally [chuckling] all gay shit!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. It’s just gay shit! I really don’t like faggots. They’re just traitors to life. They’re not just traitors to the race. They’re traitors to life. There’s nothing noble in faggotry. There’s nothing, like, if they dedicate themselves to art, why do they have to be a faggot? Like, you don’t have to be a faggot to dedicate yourself to art. You can still be heterosexual. [chuckling] You know what I mean? It’s like a strange cope. It’s like I can’t get rid of the faggot artist, like:

 

“Oh, I can’t get rid of the gay thoughts.”

 

So instead of trying to deal with that or whatever, fix that problem, however the fuck you can fix it, I don’t know. They’re like:

 

“I’ll just dedicate myself to expanding Western civilisation in this realm.”

 

But it’s like anything they create is ultimately going to be tainted by their poor spirit. Like, they’ve got a bad spirit, a gay spirit.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Their life forces has been totally perverted at the fundamental level.

 

Thomas Sewell: So how do you trust any art that they create? There’s going to be something sick in it. There’s going to be something twisted in it.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Because from a metaphysical standpoint, like a male, a masculine-feminine duality, I think, is really in the essence of the entire universe. Like, you could even, like, look at, like, subatomic relationships through that lens.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: Electromagnetism through that lens and so on, all the way up through, like, life! That’s the force that perpetuates life, is the masculine-feminine polarity. So that’s corrupted in someone’s personality. It’s kind of like the very kind of core of their life essence has been corrupted. It’s almost worse than almost anything else as a result of that because it’s so fundamentally fucked!

 

So if someone is a faggot, a sodomite, it’s like, almost like almost anything that comes out of their mouth, you kind of have to almost disregard because there’s no foundation from which anything good could come. Like, they might actually say something accurate at times, but it’s just not worth even listening, because they’re a faggot.

 

But when it comes to someone like Greg Johnson, like, I’ve seen complicity from his publication in publishing pro-homosexual apologia, which just then becomes subversive. You know, then it’s like this rationalisation of why we need to be more accepting towards homosexuals and so on.

 

Like, if the jews invented homophobia, then I would just have to give to the jews credit for coming up with a good idea that would be like, one W to the jews. But they didn’t! Homophobia actually is in every, pretty much every, like, culture ever in human history.

 

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Thomas Sewell: So jews are probably the least homophobic. So that is completely subversive because it’s a complete, …

 

Joel Davis: Tel Aviv is literally the gayest city on earth.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Jews don’t have an issue with gays. They want to sow seeds of chaos everywhere.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I think also niggers are the gayest race statistically as well.

 

Thomas Sewell: They are! That’s why they’ve got AIDS and Monkeypox.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: My God keeps cursing them.

 

Joel Davis: Well, that’s not, I don’t know if that’s why God keeps cursing them. It’s just, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, it’s par for the course. [chuckling] You can’t behave that way and not have consequences. There’s consequences for all things against natural law.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. I think niggas might be just kind of cursed just by being born as niggas in the first place. [LOL]

 

Thomas Sewell: For sure!

 

Joel Davis: Like, they probably did something fucked up in their past life.

 

Thomas Sewell: Absolutely!

 

Joel Davis: Like, according to the Mormon cosmology, you know, primordially before the beginning of the universe, you know, there was a battle in heaven, and there were all these celestial beings and Lucifer, you know, tried to raise this rebellion against God. And then basically everyone who was complicit in that rebellion became the demons. And everyone who fought on the side of Jesus and God, they became incarnated as White people. And then everyone who stayed neutral, they became the niggers! I’m not saying I believe in Mormonism, obviously, but it’s kind of based. It’s kind of funny.

 

Blair Cottrell: I remain for those, … Sorry, I’m too tired to even spit the phrase:

 

“The hottest fires of hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in times of struggle!”

 

I think it was Gandhi who said that?

 

Thomas Sewell: It would be an ancient question quote. Gandhi’s a fraud!

 

Blair Cottrell: Probably.

 

Joel Davis: Anyway, I’ll go through some more of these Superchats. I think you guys posted them in here. Yeah. Ukrainian Groyper, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Dante’s Inferno*. That’s where that quote is from. That’s from Dante’s Inferno. The first layer of hell is for the inactive, the people that don’t get active, the people that don’t pick a side. That’s the first layer of hell. Yeah.

 

[* Inferno is the first part of Italian writer Dante Alighieri’s 14th-century narrative poem The Divine Comedy. It is followed by Purgatorio and Paradiso. The Inferno describes the journey of a fictionalised version of Dante himself through (the nine levels of) Hell, guided by the ancient Roman poet Virgil. Wikipedia]

 

Joel Davis: Ukrainian Groyper said:

 

“Joel is the only one out of the three who doesn’t have a Wikipedia page. How am I supposed to know that he’s a Nazi?”

 

Yeah, well, I thought about creating a Wikipedia page for myself, and then I realised it would immediately get taken over by Leftists and then converted into like, this awful hit piece about how I’m a satanic paedophile or something. So I decided I would just try and live without a Wikipedia page as long as possible, because yeah, we don’t control. [chuckling] Wikipedia is not under patriot control.

 

Thomas Sewell: Not yet. We’re working on it. First mission is to change my profile picture on Wikipedia to a good one. That’s your first mission Wikipedia guys. [chuckling] Not like a screen grab from an old video.

 

Joel Davis: RSA Liberty Supporter said:

 

“You start with the most generous re-migration package and crank it up from there. You two step them and the Liberals incentivise them to take the earliest option as it’s in their best interests.”

 

That’s the thing. I don’t really think that’s what we’re getting here. I mean, ultimately, we talking about, … Could you even call them conservatives? But we’re talking about like, the Swedish, like, mainstream Right, who has been complicit in like, mass immigration. They’re not initiating phase one of like a six phase process to like purify the Swedish population and send millions back or anything, and work their way towards mass deportations. It’s limited measure that they probably don’t intend to go much further then.

 

So, yeah, someone also said here, Thorn 91:

 

“I know not everyone here is Christian, but Obadiah 18 prophesies the end of the jews.”

 

Obadiah 18? I don’t remember that from the Bible.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I just searched that before. It’s just like:

 

“Jacob will be fire and Joseph will be flames and Esau will crumble!”

 

Joel Davis: Okay. Yeah. Okay. I’m looking up the book of Obadiah. Okay, I just don’t really remember reading that in the Bible. “Prophecy concerning the divine judgement of Edom and the restoration of Israel”. That’s kind of interesting because of how the Edomites ultimately kind of got fused with the Judeans in like, the second century. But anyway, we’re not going to get, … That’s a bit of a tangent.

 

Man Before Time said:

 

“Have you done much reading from the Stoics, particularly Aurelius, Epictetus, Plato. So what aspect of Stoicism, personally, think is the most important?”

 

I don’t think you can classify Plato as a stoic. But, yeah, Marcus Aurelius. I have read some of the meditations many, many years ago. I don’t really take much inspiration.

 

[2:18:55]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: Prison ideology. It’s a prison ideology in my opinion.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

But I know that some of the other Stoics, like, they were more complicated philosophers that had a full on metaphysics. And I read about them as being discussed by, like, Gilles Deleuze* and other, like, 20th century philosophers. But I haven’t gone back to the stoics and got their complete system. So I don’t actually have a super well educated view on the full philosophical system of the Stoics.

 

[* Gilles Deleuze (January 18, 1925–November 4, 1995) was one of the most influential and prolific French philosophers of the second half of the twentieth century. Deleuze conceived of philosophy as the production of concepts, and he characterized himself as a “pure metaphysician.” In his magnum opus Difference and Repetition, he tries to develop a metaphysics adequate to contemporary mathematics and science—a metaphysics in which the concept of multiplicity replaces that of substance, event replaces essence and virtuality replaces possibility. Standord Encyclopedia of Philosophy]

 

But as for Marcus Aurelius the fact that he was a literal cuckold, out of condition a little bit. Yeah. It’s like, imagine the worst possible outcome and learn to accept it so that you can confront it when it occurs. It’s like, no, I’d rather just not imagine my wife getting slammed by some gladiator. And he ended up, like, I think the story was he ends up killing the gladiator and then filling a bathtub with his blood and then shagging his missus in the bathtub or something along those lines.

 

Thomas Sewell: He sounds like Jordan Peterson.

 

Joel Davis: Why don’t you kill the woman? You know, she cheated on you. Why are you killing the gladiator? I mean, you can kill him, too, if you want. You’re the emperor. But kill the woman like she cheated on you. Why are you?

 

Thomas Sewell: We don’t need that blood. We don’t need that blood in the family, that’s for sure.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Like, I don’t understand this about cheating. Like, if you get cheated on and you’re going after the person like that you weren’t actually in a relationship with, but the secondary, … I understand you might want to take some revenge on them, but the more primary thing is the actual person who cheated on you. Like, they should be the main culprit. They’re the main culprit. They’re the ones who portrayed you. The other person didn’t.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, it’s hard to see it that way when you’re a young man, because you see the woman as, like, a victim of circumstance. Because when you’re young, that’s kind of how you’re raised to see women. And because women are beautiful, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I still see it that way.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. But when women are beautiful, when you’re a young man, too, you kind of see them as, well you imagine that you associate their beauty with innocence. Yeah. You don’t think that someone or anything that looks that good could do something so consciously and deliberately bad.

 

And so you always think it was the male party who’s at fault. And because it’s a man, you feel that urge for violence, for confrontation, but you don’t feel that with a woman. So by default or instincts, you hold the, if you’re in a love triangle, you hold the male party, the other male party, wholly responsible until you actually calm down and think about it. And then you realise the woman was probably orchestrating the entire thing.

 

Joel Davis: Well, I’m not against going after the man as well. I can just go after both of them, though. Don’t just go after, like, you kill the gladiator and then what does the woman get as a, … You’re the emperor of Rome, your wife cheats on you!

 

Blair Cottrell: And the way I look at it now, though, like. In truth, unless you have some sort of reputation to maintain, there’s no reason to be bent on revenge over some girl. If some girl leaves you, who cares? Someone else is having sex with her now. Who cares, man? You’re a man. The world is yours. Do whatever you want. If you want revenge, do that. If it means that much to you.

 

Joel Davis: If you’re the emperor of Rome and she’s your wife.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, that’s different. That’s what I mean. There’s reputation.

 

Thomas Sewell: He has the power to do something about it. And he gets psyopped by a woman to not. Like that’s what she wants. Like any woman that does that kind of behaviour. Like, if women don’t want to be with you, they’ll just leave, right? It’s pretty simple. So if they’re doing that and staying with you, it’s because they want it both ways.

 

Blair Cottrell: Women won’t leave you. They’ll tee up an alternative before they leave you. So if a woman’s thinking about leaving you, …

 

Thomas Sewell: They won’t cheat and then stay with you. Like, if their intention is to leave, it’s, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Like there’s different reasons. Some women will treat cheat to get a reaction out of you, or just to cause drama. But typically what women will do if they don’t like you is they’ll stop sleeping with you and then yeah, …

 

Thomas Sewell: They monkey branch on to something else.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, they monkey branch. They set something else up and if that doesn’t work, they stay with you until they can get something else set up. They just kind of like a butterfly onto the next flower. Onto the next flower, sucking out all the nutrients until there’s nothing left! [chuckling] [LOL]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, yeah. I mean, but yeah, you’re dating, like, who cares, like, if she cheats on you, it’s not worth, like, let it go and move on.

 

But if you’re like, married and you’re fully committed and then she cheats on you after you’ve got the mortgage and the two kids and so on. It’s like that bitch has got to pay! You can’t go back and like, fix that now. Like, if you were just dating and then she did, like who cares! You’ve dodged a bullet. Like, it’s good that she’s shown her hand early before you get committed you can read the signs and, …

 

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Blair Cottrell: Can I just say, I was thinking about this the other day in a different context. I was thinking that if a woman has social media, if your girlfriend, you’re watching this, you got a girlfriend, you got a wife, and she has social media, she’s going to cheat on you [Tom laughs]. And she will. They can’t have social media because of the female human condition, which is hypergamous in by nature. They can’t even help it! Women are always looking for upgrades, not just in relationships per se, but in their life. That’s why women always want the bigger house and the better car and the nicer holiday. And they’re looking for upgrades in men as well, whether it’s wealth, status, height, genetics. And if a woman is given access to social media, she’s eventually going to full victim to her own hypergamous nature. She’s going to cheat on you. It’s only a matter of time. It might take five years, it might take 15 years, it will happen! If you’re a woman watching this and you’re interested in a serious relationship that isn’t going to break down, delete your social media! If you don’t have the strength to do that, you’ll never be in a long term relationship that won’t break down eventually. You can’t have social media as a woman. You just can’t fucking do it!

 

Joel Davis: I don’t know.

 

Thomas Sewell: I mean, [word unclear] banned from social media.

 

Joel Davis: I think, basically it’s not actually that intense. Like, every woman is gonna cheat on you. Like, as far as I know, no woman ever cheated on me. Like, it’s not like:

 

“Oh, every bitch is just gonna leave you and so on!”

 

I don’t really have that mentality, to be honest. I think you can actually tell, like, if the relationship is fucked up or not. If you’re really, like, honest and reflective on the dynamics within the relationship, you can kind of see the signs that it’s messed up or not.

 

And then if you continue to persist on with it despite it being fundamentally flawed and you’re a bad match and she doesn’t actually respect you or you don’t really love her or whatever, then you’re asking for it to go wrong. In Marcus Aurelius’ situation that woman was obviously a whore. Like, he was retard for even, … What kind of woman cheats on the Roman emperor? You know what I mean?

 

Thomas Sewell: Drama Queen. Attention seeking drama queen.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Specifically the social media. That’s a problem. I know it sounds silly, but specifically Instagram, for our generation, at least. Facebook, not so much. You know, Snapchat. It’s sort of dorky. It’s just sort of sending stupid videos. I don’t know much about TikTok because it’s more of a Zoomer thing. But Instagram specifically, the way the algorithm is programmed is that it keeps feeding you. I mean, I guess they’re all like this, especially TikTok. But Instagram is very personal. It’s not so much like a stupid dance, or a stupid thing. It’s sexual advertising. Instagram is purely sexual advertising. It’s just like soft Tinder. It’s basically, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Pretty much. The guy who made Tinder got his idea from Instagram. People were already using Instagram messages, basically as a Tinder service, and some guy was like:

 

“I could make an app just doing this.”

 

And that’s how that took off. But men are liars, too. So the second part of my message to women is you can’t have social media if you want the serious relationship due to your own female human condition, which is hypergamous. But you’ll get tricked by lying men as well, who present themselves as a potential upgrade, but they’re actually not! So you’ll end up cheating on your husband or partner for no fucking reason! There’s nothing but disaster on social media for a woman in a relationship, if you’re in a relationship, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Like, Instagram is very fake. It’s built off trying to build, like, a fake Persona. It’s very, very toxic. When the government banned me from Instagram, I was actually kind of happy. I know these nationalism starting up on the, … Young guys tell me that on Instagram. Not young, young, but, like, kind of halfway between us and Zoomers. They say that there’s a lot of nationalist circles on Instagram now. There’s a lot of different cliques forming and a lot of pages now to follow. It’s all above board, so to speak. Like, it back in the day, it was all banned and shut down.

 

But now they’re kind of working out the algorithm, how to get around it. So that there’s a positive to that. Like, we’ve had a couple recruits from Instagram. I think we’ve had two recruits from Instagram. Obviously not our primary recruiter. But again, Instagram is not really that political. It’s mostly sexual. Instagram is a sexual platform.

 

Joel Davis: It’s just a shit platform. Like, I remember I had it briefly when I was a teenager, and I just stopped using it because I don’t want to look at a bunch of people’s fucking faces and:

 

“Here’s me doing this, and here’s a picture of my, like oh, we went on a fuck! We went here, we went there!”

 

And I don’t give a fuck! You know?

 

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Blair Cottrell: Are you sure you don’t want to set up a selfie stick and a tripod and take a picture of yourself proposing to your future wife and show the world, get some rose petals and throw them in the lens. Are you sure you don’t want to do that, Joel? I mean, what’s wrong with you?

 

Thomas Sewell: Is that your algorithm? Blair, just rose petals?

 

Blair Cottrell: This is what people do. This is what people do in this. I’ve got Instagram. I’ve got a business, Instagram, for work. I barely use it. I get most of my work through Telegram. But whenever I go on there, I see people I’ve known in the past who found me on there and that you look at their profiles, and everyone thinks they’re a fucking rock star. Everyone thinks they’re famous, and they act like they’re famous. No one gives a shit about when you propose to your wife and how you did it. That should be something between you and your wife. Why the fuck am I looking at this? It’s the weirdest shit! It’s this strange. I don’t know how to say it.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s very personal. Outside of that level. Yeah. Yes. All right. Are we done?

 

Blair Cottrell: We’ve got one more Superchat. Did you read out this Jake 1219? He’s sent 20 bucks. The tide of the Caine. No, sorry:

 

“The tide for Caine will rise for the brotherhood.”

 

He said:

 

“What’s the tide for Caine?

 

Thomas Sewell: What’s that, like a Command and Conquer Generals reference? Was that like a Red Alert or what? Was it Tiberian Sun? Is it a gamer reference?

 

Blair Cottrell: I don’t know. Maybe. We have to find out. Obviously we need to find out.

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s an old movie about. Was it Citizen Kane? Okay. 12th century. The story of King Canute. The tide of, … I don’t know. No, I can’t find it.

 

Joel Davis: Superchats from Goyboy 1488 on uh, Odysee.

 

So I’m going to read them out. He said:

 

“First of all, imagine being the father of the kids who bullied faggot Jeffrey must be so proud.”

 

Obviously referring to the Jeffrey kid that became a tranny. That in Tom’s story at the beginning of the stream, Goyboy 1488 also said, qi can’t stand American libertarians. So individualistic that they defend gun ownership for illegal migrants.”

 

Yeah, I understand the insufferability of libertarians. It’s a little bit different in Australia. The point of focus, it isn’t just like the single minded fixation upon, and honestly, we need some gun rights. Like, in America, you guys actually have gun rights. Ours have been destroyed. So I’m with libertarians here on working our way back towards more gun ownership.

 

But yeah, obviously in America it can get ridiculous where it’s like instead of caring about any, it’s like gun nationalism where like, owning guns is like what defines the nation. Like being pro-gun rather than having any actual ethnic concept of the nation or whatever. It’s like, yeah. Oh, Goyboy also said:

 

“They have no loyalty to their people.”

 

Obviously talking about libertarians. He said:

 

“Both my brothers are 110 to 130 IQ libertarians. They are politically insufferable!”

 

Obviously libertarians need to be worked on to progress them beyond their worldview. Usually they’re open to having a conversation.

 

And so there’s fertile ground there. A lot of people in the movement were former libertarians that were converted to the nationalist worldview. But then, yeah, there’s a certain kind of like holding pen where they stay libertarian because they have either this kind of hyper individualistic fixation on themselves and they never mature out of it or they get Asian missus. Tom said that, I think you had an experience, right, of like going to some libertarian meeting years ago and like everyone’s missus was Asian.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I went to the LDP Victorian meeting, annual general meeting, whatever it is.

 

Joel Davis: And this is the Libertarian Party by the way.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Lionel Helm [sp] was there, the chairman was there, there was a few other speakers. And honestly the audience was almost entirely White men in their late twenties. And about maybe 20% of the audience brought their girlfriends and almost all their girlfriends were Asian. And I was the last question because it was a Question Time. And Lionel Helm was a full weirdo. Like it was really, he was really bizarre in person. He was way more autistic than I realised. And I’m pretty sure his food came out first. And he was like halfway through his speech and he just stopped his speech and just ate his food in front of everyone. Like just like a super autist! Like couldn’t read the room, like didn’t give a fuck! Like it was a real bad look. I don’t know, I guess we’re all different. But it was really, really strange thing to do.

 

And then I was the last question and I brought up immigration. And this is fucking pretty early days, this is like 2017 or something. And I said to him basically:

 

“As a young person, I can’t afford a home in the area I grew up in or even really a couple suburbs over. It’s just becoming unaffordable. The housing crisis is a massive issue. And what’s the Liberal Democrats going to do about trying to assist housing affordability fee for young people that are just pushed out of the market every year it’s getting harder.”

 

I was looking at a house, it was 700 grand. It was just around the absolute cap at that point of my borrowing capacity.

 

And by the time I actually tried to go to the bank and look at getting that house and working out how to make the finances of the work and save up the deposit, all the house in that area went up to about 770, 800. So I’m like:

 

“Fuck! I gotta go another suburb, another couple suburbs over!”

 

And I was just explaining that to him and he said something like:

 

“Oh well the LDP, we’re gonna do less taxes. Less taxes means more money in your pocket. Anyway, next question.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Hang on a minute, hang on a minute. If everyone’s paying less taxes, if everyone’s got more money in their pocket, then the housing price is gonna go up, everyone’s got more expendable income. Everyone’s got more.”

 

Anyway, that’s the story I’ve already said on stream before. But yeah, it was an interesting meeting. My second question was about cadre building. It was about:

 

“Do the libertarians as classical liberals or as classical libertarians, whatever you guys are you interested in building up a cadre of people that believe in the ideology, truly understand it, and then sort of pass that worldview on to the rest of the population? Or are you kind of just hoping that the general public come to their senses and realise that the libertarian party is just the way forward? Is that how you perceive getting political victory?”

 

And Lionel Helm said:

 

“Yeah, the second one. Yeah, like, people were just going to realise that less taxes means more money in your pocket and more money in your pocket, less taxes on cigarettes. You buy more cigarettes, and, yeah, you just have more money. You just be better off. And eventually everyone will work that out and vote for us.”

 

And I was like, interesting. And the chairman had stopped eating his dinner and just looked up at me and was like:

 

“Who the fuck is this guy?”

 

It was really interesting night.

 

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Joel Davis: Yeah, I see, …

 

Thomas Sewell: And then, and then, sorry, quickly. And then when the meeting was done and I tried to leave, I got, like, ambushed by, like, three libertarians with Asian girlfriends. And they were like, telling me how:

 

“What were you trying to imply with immigration? Like, why were you trying to imply that it’s a supply and demand issue? I mean, really, it’s really not about demand. It’s about supply, we should build more houses. The real problem is the Liberal Party, Labor Party put too much red tape on building a house. And if we just change zoning laws, da da da da da da da. And we need a big Australia!”

 

And I was like:

 

“Okay, would you rather live in Brazil or Switzerland?”

 

“Like, what? Like, why do we need a big Australia? Why do we need to be a big Australia?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“Oh, bigger GDP is better!”

 

And I was like:

 

“Okay, so Brazil, or Switzerland?”

 

And then they just all went silent. And I was like:

 

“Yeah, you guys are fucking idiots!”

 

And then I just walked out. Like, Brazil’s GDP is like 30 times Switzerland, but you’d much rather live in Switzerland, wouldn’t you? Like, who the fuck wants to live in Brazil?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, it’s like the, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m sure there’s a nice parts of Brazil, but in general, it’s fucking full of crime and poverty. Like, what the fuck? Switzerland’s like a utopia.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Like, why don’t we just combine the whole world into one country. Then we can have the ultimate maximum GDP of the whole world. GDP of one country.

 

Thomas Sewell: Genius!

 

Joel Davis: It’ll [chuckling] be a totally free market. Everyone can trade with everyone.

 

Thomas Sewell: But that’s the classic libertarian position. They’re either kind of too smart for their own good, but not intelligent enough to work out that their ideas are stupid, or they’re kind of just philosophically corrupted because they got the Asian GF, and they would go down the far-Right path, but they’re held up. They’re stuck at that level probably forever for most of them.

 

Joel Davis: Old Kiparian said:

 

“Double my cigarette prices if it means I keep my nation.”

 

Yeah, well, you should really stop smoking. As someone who has quit smoking, my advice to you is run! And then when you run, you’ll realise that you can’t, and that it sucks! And then if you keep running, you’ll continue realizing how much it sucks! And then that’ll inspire you to stop smoking so that your lungs can heal and you can actually breathe while you run. Because you need to run. If you can’t run, you could be fucked! That could literally be the end of your life because you can’t run in a certain kind of situation.

 

So, yeah, not being able to run is fucking gay!

 

Blair Cottrell: We got one more here. One more again from Jake 1219 sends through $20. Thanks very much, Jake. Serious one:

 

“40 billion being raped from Australian taxpayers yearly to fund the Aboriginal communist plight with no oversight. Thieving, that’s a serious military budget going towards dirt eaters.”

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. I also see Bog. He sent a 0.02 lbry coin Superchat on Odysee, which, when I put it into the conversion, that works out to 0.0031 US dollars! So [chuckling] you might as well have not even bothered sending a Superchat at all because that’s just literally nothing. But I’ll read it out anyway. He said:

 

“Do you promise to never take fed jew money to be draught enforcer, sending Whites to die in Taiwan for Jew Yankee Empire, or act as blocking units shooting retreating Whites there? I’m not dying on hill 838 in Ching Chong Prefecture, Oz government built Covid camp. So I’ll take my chances with Chink overlords!”

 

Thomas Sewell: Uh, no, no! he missed it at the end there. He was kind of doing well with the question until the end there. Then he fucked it. That was dumb.

 

Joel Davis: I feel like this guy is probably Chinese or something, like this kind of, …

 

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Thomas Sewell: Oh, good call. Good call!

 

Joel Davis: Because the Chinaman would be cheap enough to send a 0.003 USD Superchat. You know what I mean?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, they were utilitarian.

 

Joel Davis: Oh, hey, fellow Aryans. Don’t you just love China?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, don’t you just love your Chinese overlords? Don’t send me to go fight for Taiwan. [chuckling]

 

Joel Davis: Does it make any sense? Like there’s not going to be a ground war in Taiwan that you’re going to be conscripted to. Like, it’s even really logical.

 

Adult White Female said:

 

“We are so unique and so strong a race, and yet every time a non-gets mixed in, our genetics get blown out. Visual confirmation that it is the true definition of adultery and is an abomination unto our creator. Great show, gentlemen, and thank you. And a tenner for rose petals.”

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m done.

 

Joel Davis: And Ben Shapiro Sigma also just sent a Superchat saying, hell, Ben Shapiro Sigma is kind of funny.

 

“Hello from England. Do you have any recommendation for a place to start understanding China’s political structure and how it is National Socialist? Joel’s comments on it have been very interesting.”

 

I wouldn’t describe China as National Socialist.

 

Blair Cottrell: All right, before you answer that, I’m signing off. See you guys. Love you all.

 

Joel Davis: See you dude! Have a good one. I wouldn’t describe China as a National Socialist. Indirectly, I have done that for polemical reasons in the past, drawing more parallels between Chinese state ideology and fascism or National Socialism than doctrinaire Marxism, of which there are several parallels.

 

And I think it’s an important parallel to draw, because the Chinese government, obviously, there’s a lot of fucked up things about it, completely fucked up things that no White government, you know, actually genuinely White run government, would subject its people to. Like a great amount of brutality and so on.

 

But at the same time, the Chinese state obviously has brought big business interests and foreign interests to heel. They run China directly for the national strength, and China has managed to accumulate a lot of economic and military power in a very short period of time through that kind of system, which demonstrates when you implement certain principles of fascism or National Socialism, they make your country stronger. And that’s objectively true. When you see China, China wouldn’t be anywhere near as strong as it is if it was a liberal democracy. It was a liberal democracy. It would be beset by jews, foreign business interests, and so on. It would be subject to American or judeo-American, I should say, cultural subversion and so on. And it would be far more limited in its ability to develop its own independent power in the world.

 

So but I wouldn’t classify it as National Socialist because there’s a lot of elements to the Chinese regime I don’t like and said ideology I don’t like which are reflections I think, of the Chinese national character and the communist legacy as well like the Maoist legacy as opposed to, … So I’d say basically everything that’s good in the sense of not good for us because China being strong is actually bad for us, but good in that kind of universal sense like effective for what they’re trying to do. Like everything about the Chinese government that makes China stronger is basically National Socialists or fascist, and everything about it which sucks almost invariably isn’t. And that isn’t just a cope because of my ideological predilections like that’s just my genuine analysis of the situation.

 

But anyway, I think basically we’re done here, so see you guys later. It’s been a long stream I hope you enjoyed it and yeah, we’ll see you all next week.

 

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Se7enius
2 days ago
letsgooooo
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ForOurPeople
1 day ago
catholic charities started from the Church centuries ago, but now works for and is funded by the government and that’s why they are helping flood our nations with foreigners
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ForOurPeople
1 day ago
in America under Biden (who’s supposed to be Catholic) the government agencies have spies in traditional Catholic churches and have made raids at the homes of traditional Catholic activists homes
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WillyPete9
1 day ago
Soooo Jewish misinformation/disinformation is still legal? So confusing
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averagefreedomenjoyer
1 day ago
yes Jewish misinformation is what mainstream media is.
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EternalReich
22 hours ago
Huh?….
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ForOurPeople
1 day ago
the government that doesn’t fear the people is the problem
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AllegianceMountain
18 hours ago
good quote
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ProvingNihil
1 day ago
As an animal lover especially of cat’s and dog’s. What those dirty inhuman apes are doing to those innocent creature’s piss me off beyond belief. I would go to jail/prison if one of them attempted to harm my cat or dog.
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GovMarioPalmieri
1 day ago
guy we got grifted. the footage is from 2020 and the bitch isn’t Haitian. beware click baiters mocking these very real problems.
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averagefreedomenjoyer
1 day ago
how is ni66ers killing cats and dogs different from Haitians?
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ProvingNihil
16 hours ago
Are you sure? Not being a prick btw, I swear I saw a video of a Haitian woman skinning a cat.
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katana17
2 days ago
Last week’s show: [Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2024/09/07/joel-davis-wwii-revisionism-re-enters-the-mainstream-sep-6-2024-transcript/ [In this livestream episode Aussie nationalist activists Joel Davis, Blair Cottrell and Tom Sewell discuss the recent Tucker Carlson interview with American historian Darryl Cooper and how he considers: “The real bad guy of World War Two was Churchill.” Points include: • View the interview as a watershed moment for mainstreaming revisionist narratives. • “This is the re-mainstreaming for the first time in that I can remember in living memory of World War two revisionism.” • Cooper’s approach is a “humanitarian” and “honest” way to discuss controversial topics. • Discuss Churchill’s role in WWII, with Cooper calling him “the foremost villain” of the war. • Explore the idea of having “Nuremberg-style trials” for those responsible for mass immigration. • Discuss the importance of World War II revisionism in understanding current political issues. “World War two really is the datum point from which all perspective of the present day is forged.” • They share their personal journeys into World War II revisionism and White nationalism. • Discuss the impact of reading Mein Kampf and other revisionist materials. “Reading Mein Kampf and learning the truth about world War two breaks the spell of Holocaustianity.” • World War II narratives are central to current anti-White ideologies. • Discuss the challenges of promoting revisionist views
in mainstream discourse. • The importance of ideological purity in their movement. “Maximum ideological purity can actually disadvantage you because it means you’re going to piss people off, alienate people.” • Discuss the role of social media and online activism in spreading their ideas. • Share anecdotes about discussing their views
in everyday situations. • Talk about recruitment and the growing interest …
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katana17
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For tonight’s show a relevant topic is 9/11. [Christopher Bollyn – Tricked into War – Israeli Zionist Government was Behind the 9/11 Attack – Sep 20, 2018 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2024/09/12/christopher-bollyn-tricked-into-war-israeli-zionist-government-was-behind-the-9-11-attack-sep-20-2018-transcript/ [In this 2018 presentation Christopher Bollyn, an American investigative journalist and author of several books on 9/11 sets out in detail, naming names, on why and how Israel carried out the, years in preparation, false flag attack 9/11, i.e., to unleash The War OF Terror on the Middle East using American blood and treasure. Some points Bollyn makes, include: Is an author of books on 9/11 and the War on Terror. 9/11 and the War on Terror are connected and part of an Israeli plan. “9/11 was a policy coup” blamed on Muslims to start the War on Terror. The War on Terror aims to redraw the Middle East map according to Israeli interests. Menachem Begin, founder of Likud party, is described as “the father of terrorism”. 9/11 was designed to “instill fear and rage in the American population”. The War on Terror is “the longest and most expensive war, foreign war in US history”. Trump is quoted: “We have spent $7 trillion in the Middle East. You know what we have for it? Nothing!” The War on Terror is “based on the official myth of 9/11”. Wesley Clark is quoted describing a “policy coup” by “hard-nosed people” after 9/11. The plan is to “take out seven countries in five years” starting with Iraq. This follows the “Yinon Plan” to break up Arab states into smaller entities. Hillary Clinton is mentioned as seeking to overthrow Syria’s government “to save Israel”. Asks “Is the United States waging Israel’s wars?” Israel wants to expand from “the Nile river to the Euphrates”. Christian Zionism is “a big problem” in supporting Israel. John F. Kennedy was “the last great reformer” who challenged these interests. …
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EternalReich
22 hours ago
The tangents are fine. But everybody does tangents that’s all anyone does. I respect you guys because of your activism. We don’t need another fucking show where a few people sit around and talk about how bad it is for white people. We know. The thing that sets you guys apart is you actually strategize and discuss the best way to make more people aware. That is what we should all be doing. We don’t need another Nick Fuentes or red ice, sitting in front of a camera and talking about news articles and asking for donations. It’s crazy to me, how so many of us know that we are on a sinking ship, but so many are content to just play video games and occasionally watch videos about white replacement online, and this pacifies us. I always get frustrated because I always have the sensation kind of like your underwater and you are starting to get desperate for a breath, I have that anxiety every time I think about our situation, and it frustrates the hell out of me to see so many who don’t care at all. And when you talk about trying to meet up and brainstorm and do things, it’s fed posting. On one hand I can understand the concern, but on the other hand why even bother discussing it at all then? If trying to organize is fed posting and we can’t do it, then we may as well accept our fate and just enjoy the ride.
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AllegianceMountain
18 hours ago
The Patriot Front is a viable group to get involved with. I do not believe the accusations that they are set up by the feds. Even if oneself doesn’t join a local active-club, there’s fliers and posters and stickers you can print at home, laminate, and distribute in public places to stimulate people’s awareness of the dystopian living conditions. The monopoly on mass media and mass entertainment is one of our great obstacles, IMO. Because mass media and mass culture is how the average normie talks to him/herself and how they “validate” what is an acceptable viewpoint or opinion. Still, even without us overthrowing the corrupt leftist media-matrix, there’s human instinct to sew seed of optimism. Life will find a way, as Jeff Goldblum once said. You’re definitely correct about the role video-game, sports entertainment, and pop-culture distractions are strategically put into place to lessen and hinder the inevitable instinctive awakening of hive-mind survival response among our folk. Joel, Tom, and Blaire (as well as other individuals in our movement worldwide) are examples of what one man can do when he doesn’t resign to stagnant pessimism and what one man can do to inspire others in proportion to the ripple-effect, contagious nature of inspiration, and other facts of sentient existence
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RSALiberty
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1 day ago
Come for the tangents, stay for the news
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Rockwell1488Pierce
1 day ago
Follow Joel and Blair on twitter, Tom on (telegram) https://x.com/joeldavisx https://t.me/Thomas_Sewell https://x.com/b_cottrell89
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augustonvenus
1 day ago
1:13:40 Blair had me dying
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johnnyboy2324
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1 day ago
o/ o/
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TherealMcCoy88
1 day ago
Haitians are the deepest darkest looking Africans. They are so dark sometimes they look a dark purple. This comes a guy who grew up in Brockton, MA. We had Haitians. They are retarded.
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AllegianceMountain
18 hours ago
You guys have inspired me to be more open and explicit with my left-leaning friends. Last week for example, I was on vacation w/ friends and these are ppl I’ve been friends w/ a long time and they trust me, love me, and have faith in my intelligence/morality, and when they began mocking and ridiculing DJT, I chose to verbally debate my friends in a calm composed way (instead of not even bothering to engage in verbal debate). There are two tactics I adopt; 1.) I either deliberately banter in an ambiguous way where I choose the conservative neutral stance in which to defend Trump and dispel/disarm their far-left regurgitated nonsense. or… 2.) I choose my debate stance in self-reaffirming unapologetic nationalistic old-world sensibility. On two separate occasions I was poked and prodded by female friends in their obsessive offensive to “expose” me for my underlying reasons for why I won’t denounce or disavow Trump, and similarly how I won’t denounce country-clubs, blue-bloods, and traditional family structure and the right for husbands to beat their wives and discipline their children, etc. I chose a shift in approach whereby I now don’t even care anymore. I admit I support all things “far-right”, nationalistic and pro-White. My friends are learning to deal with it, and my gut instinct tells me that a couple of my male friends are actually starting to align themselves more w/ me now that I’ve endured the initial scrutiny and carved a path for them, as it were. Of course it’s a larger paradox pattern, whereby as long as more of us first-wave vanguard white-nationalists pave the way, then some of our more intelligent friends will follow, especially if the friendship is built on real trust and real respect
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MelancholyMonkey
11 hours ago
Good one, lads.
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WillyPete9
1 day ago
re: Mr Clark…willing to bet the bag that the read script & money came in smelled of bagels
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averagefreedomenjoyer
1 day ago
oy vey shut it down!
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Venedith666
1 day ago
awwww I was hoping for a few laughs watching the lefties cop beatings by cops this week in Melbourne
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PhooeyPhoxide
1 day ago
Jews and their brown bioweapons
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CrazyRecluse
1 day ago
joel u need to watch this to understand how the russian propaganda works with the western propaganda. 2 sides of the kosher sandwich: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6L7F-tWSQQ
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GIONtheDON
1 day ago
Before Sweden raised the price only 1 immigrant left
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ProvingNihil
1 day ago
And that boys father is in complete denial, what a fucking pussy can’t accept a reality check.
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AidsBug
1 day ago
If you wanna stop smoking you need to not be still for a few weeks. When you’re busy moving and doing stuff the addiction thoughts don’t creep up on you nearly as much. Exhaust yourself during the day so you can get to sleep without a crazy battle of thoughts at night.
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GovMarioPalmieri
1 day ago
ku cucks klan
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Nordicshaman88
10 hours ago
Love you three guys keep up the good streams need more like these.
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david43
8 hours ago
America is not far behind the bitch people in Australia, the good whites have been neutered and it makes me sick… our main people are petrified to say isreal is behind anything, terrible
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JungleEaglesNest
7 hours ago
Dante quote The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in a time of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Frodi Midjord: All right, so we are streaming. But okay, I’ll just wait a few seconds just to let the audience gather in the chat.

 

Before we get started with our conversation, I made an attempt to do the live stream on Telegram. As well, it seems like that didn’t work. So you’re going to have to watch on Odysee or on DLive. So two options, Odysee and DLive.

 

I can see that we already have hundreds of people in the chat watching, so I think this is going to be a good show. Let’s just wait a few more seconds before we get started. This is going to be a very good conversation.

 

A lot of people are excited. As usual, of course, you can send questions and Superchats.

 

If you’re watching on Odysee, you can send Superchats directly through Odysee and they show up in the chat. And if you’re watching on DLive, or you can also, even if you’re watching on Odysee, you can also send through Entropy. That’s Entropy stream dot live/GTK.

 

And so I think that we now have a bunch of people in the chat watching already so we can get started. There is a slight delay between my video and my audio. I know the problem is on my end. There was nothing I could do about it.

 

But the other participants in this stream, they have a better setup than I do right now. I have sort of, I’m traveling at the moment, so I have a different setup, and this is how it turned out.

 

But let’s get started. So welcome to the debate. Is it too late to save White America? I just want to say a few words about the background for this conversation and why I decided to invite Greg Johnson and Jared Taylor to have this conversation. Is it too late to save White America? Or another formulation could be, is it too late to go back to White America? Was actually a viewer who suggested this debate. And this is related to all countries in the West. This is not really just about America, but of course, we’re going to talk about America today.

 

But I think this is relevant, highly relevant for the rest of the countries in the West.

 

And I think that for many years after mass immigration started, for decades, really, those of us who rejected mass immigration, those who wanted to keep our nation states, people who objected to mass immigration and the transformation of our countries, they worked on the assumption that it would be possible to get back, to go back to normal and to sort of undo the damage and go back to our countries with the ethnic proportions back to normal again.

 

In America perhaps that would be racial or ethnic composition in the 1950s or sixties, before White people started declining there. In Sweden, for example, that would be much later. Even in the 1980s, or even as late as 1990, just 30, 35 years ago, Sweden was essentially, for all practical purposes, 100% ethnically homogeneous, with just a few people from neighboring countries and very few people from distant countries. And London, of course, is now one third White British, two thirds not White British.

 

[04:05]

 

And so I think that the idea has not always been expressed explicitly, but the tacit assumption has been that we need to go back.

 

So I think it came as a shock to many people when Jared Taylor published a video a few weeks ago where he said:

 

“That it’s over. America will never again become a home for White people. We can’t take the country back, so we have to settle for something less.”

 

And many people were shocked by that statement by Jared Taylor because it made them think about this issue. And many people objected to what Jared Taylor said. And Greg Johnson was one of the people who wrote an article objecting or commenting on some of the things that Jared said.

 

So that is what we’re going to talk about tonight. We’re going to talk about, is it too late to save White America?

 

Before we start, and before I bring the two participants on, I want to say something about the format. Usually when I organize and when I host debates like this, it is more of a strict academic debate format with strict time frames where one person after another gets to speak uninterrupted in that way. That’s the typical sort of academic format that I use. I think tonight we’re going to have a slightly more relaxed format.

 

The way I want to do this is I want to start by first allowing Jared Taylor to make his opening statement, explaining what motivated him to do the video and present his position. Then I’m going to let Greg Johnson reply and state his position. And then we’re going to have more of a natural back and forth. And I will act as host and as interviewer, or shall we say, moderator, where I will ask questions and try to sort of tease out the positions more clearly. And the two participants will also get into a more natural back and forth, relaxed conversation.

 

And we’ll also have an opportunity for the audience to ask questions, which you do through Odysee and Entropy. I’ll just repeat that one more time. On Odysee. You can send Superchats through Odysee, and they show up in the chat, and I have the moderators, as usual, helping me out in the chat, because we have a lot of people tonight.

 

So you can send through Odysee, and you can send through Entropy. That’s Entropy stream dot live, forward slash, GTK. And I will circle these links on the screen as well as we continue.

 

But now I want to bring on, of course, the two panelists or the two participants. Greg Johnson. Welcome. You’re muted, Greg.

 

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Greg Johnson: Thanks for having me back. I always enjoy these conversations that we have.

 

Frodi Midjord: Very good.

 

And, of course, Jared Taylor. Welcome.

 

Jared Taylor: Thank you very much.

 

Thank you so much for inviting me on. I look forward to this conversation with two men whom I have greatly admired for so many years.

 

Frodi Midjord: Thank you so much!

 

And also, I want to thank the, my viewer who suggested this debate. I think there was an excellent idea, and I’m very much looking forward to hearing this conversation. I hope we can reach some interesting conclusions. And I know the audience has been looking forward to it for days now.

 

So I want to start by giving the microphone over to you, Jared, would you please make your statement, explain what your position is, and then we’ll go over to Greg after that. So over to Jared Taylor.

 

Jared Taylor: All right. You hadn’t specified a time limit on this opening statement of mine, and I was thinking perhaps 5, 10 minutes, something along those lines, if that’ll be acceptable.

 

Frodi Midjord: That’s absolutely fine!

 

Jared Taylor: If I jabber on for too long, you just let me know.

 

Frodi Midjord: Absolutely!

 

Jared Taylor: Well, first of all, it is the demographic decline of Whites.

 

So this is a phenomenon with which most of your viewers are probably very, very familiar. But I’ll just go over briefly. As you suggested, in the 1950s, certainly Whites were 90% of the population. They expected to be the overwhelming majority forever. They thought of the United States as an outpost of Europe, certainly an outpost of White civilization, and they saw absolutely no sign on the horizon that that would ever change.

 

And it’s been a very, very gradual process. As you know, until 1965, the United States had an immigration policy that was designed to keep the country White, and it was abolished under false pretenses, I believe, the promise that this would not change the demographic mix of the United States.

 

Of course, I’m convinced that if the Congress in 1965 had been told:

 

“Well in 60 years, there will be such a change in the United States population that every child under 18 will be, every White child will be outnumbered by non-White children. And that in 60 years and in 80 years, Whites across the board of all ages will be a minority.”

 

They would have recoiled in horror! They would never have passed such a thing. No one ever asked White people did they want to become minority.

 

The fact is, we are well on our way to becoming a minority, and I don’t believe that it is at all possible to change it. Even if immigration were to stop tomorrow, the number of deaths of Whites are greater than one million more, they outnumber the number of births by a million, and that figure will only increase. The average White median age, I believe, is about 48. In the case of Hispanics, it’s 30 or so.

 

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So they are much younger. Every other race in the United States is younger than Whites. They have more children.

 

So again, even if it were possible to seal the borders, our numbers would dwindle. This is the fundamental fact that will make it impossible, I believe, to salvage the United States within its current borders according to its current political system, in a way to make it a home for White people, the way, for example, Japan is a home for the Japanese, or Turkey or Vietnam are homes for the Turks, for the Vietnamese. This is just not something that we can retrieve.

 

The numbers are against us. And if someone has or can imagine an economic, or a political process whereby the United States can then become a majority White nation, I’d like to hear what it is.

 

Now any multiracial nation is going to be one full of tension.

 

The idea that “Diversity is Our Strength” is one of the most fabulously incorrect ideas that I believe has ever taken hold of any nation, aside from some fabulously incorrect religious ideas. But we’ll set those aside. In terms of politics, nothing could be farther from the truth!

 

However, in the United States, Whites are not simply just one of a number of different races that are jostling to get ahead. We are the official cause of everything that has ever gone wrong for all the other people, all the other races. We are the whipping boys! We are the villains! All of the people we thought in our past were heroes. The founders, the people who conquered the West, all of these people that we thought of as heroes, so long as they’re White, are now villains. We are the people who, according to Critical Race Theory, are inherent oppressors! By our very nature we are wicked in ways that poison the air practically for people of every other race.

 

And so we are not just one of these contending groups. We are the people who made everything go bad for everyone else.

 

At the same time, not only are we the official villains, we are the only ones who have no organized means of expressing our interests. This is so obvious in the United States, Congress, where you have a Congressional black caucus. It has just one job. It’s to look at all legislation and say:

 

“Is this good for our folks?”

 

There is a Hispanic caucus. It does the same thing. A Asian Pacific Islander caucus, it does the same thing. And if what’s good for Hispanics or Asians or blacks is bad for Whites, too bad, too bad. Whitey Whites do not have any organized groups that push their interests in a public and recognized way.

 

[12:37]

 

In fact, although there are still many powerful Whites, there are many wealthy Whites. There are many Whites in government and decision making, both public and private.

 

But I don’t believe there is a single one whom we can count on to speak in the name of Whites, in the interests of Whites. Is there an elected official anywhere? Is there a head of a publicly traded company, who will say:

 

“Yes, I’m White, and I speak in the name of Whites.”

 

And to say, for example:

 

“Whites have the right to remain a majority or Whites have the right to associate with each other.”

 

There is not one person outside of our dissident circles who will speak openly in the name of Whites.

 

At the same time, all of this oppression of Whites, telling them constantly that they are victims, this is something against those of us who are dissidents. We have a kind of psychological armor that we can build around ourselves. We can inhabit a psychology of pride in being White, of recognizing our achievements. But this is not something that most Whites are capable of doing. They have to drag themselves through life constantly being hectored, constantly being told that they are privileged, despite the fact that they are dis-privileged at every turn.

 

At the same time, those of us who are dissidents and who have a certain amount of money, or even if we’re not dissidents, but we know how to play the Angles, we can shield ourselves from the worst effects of anti-Whiteness. This is not something that all White people can do they can’t all live in Whitopia.

 

I’m fortunate. I can live in a suburban part of the United States that is majority White. I can live away from so many of the bad things, the crime, the schools, the terrible schools, the violence. All of these things that ordinary blue collar Whites have to contend with and it is not enough simply for us as dissidents with a certain amount of means to avoid the worst of multiracialism, to protect ourselves.

 

I believe we have to think in terms of our White brothers and sisters, wherever they are. And all people of all races, wherever they live, they have the right to grow up in a country that does not tell them they’re dirt. I don’t believe that that is going to be possible across the board in the United States today.

 

Not only are we the official designated permanent villains of American history because of Democratic change, because the changes I described, going from 90% to a minority and an increasingly dwindling minority, White Americans are already, in effect, a defeated people. We are refugees in our own country.

 

People who grew up in what was clearly an outpost of Europe find themselves that they’re living in an outpost of Guatemala or Mexico or Vietnam or some other place. They are not comfortable there, and they move away. They become refugees, and they go back to parts of the United States which are White, if they can afford it. And some of them can’t.

 

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And that’s why we have lower class Whites, blue collar Whites who are minorities, in their schools, in their neighborhoods. They, it seemed to me, are the people who are most badly treated!

 

And I think it’s no coincidence that it is non-college educated Whites who, according to all of these studies, the ones who are overdosing, their fertility rates are down. They’re dying of alcoholism, suicide. How could it be otherwise, given the way their country is changing and given the way they themselves are being taught? And I will close with a fantasy conversation in my mind.

 

I’ve never heard anyone describe this actually happening. But I can imagine a blue collar man. He’s White, he’s a married man. He has children. He works two jobs so that he can send his children to college. They may be the first generation in his family to go to college. And his daughter, his beloved daughter, comes back home after the first semester or the first year in college and says:

 

“Dad, don’t you realize that you are part of the White supremacist philocracy? You inherently are oppressing all the non-Whites who have ever lived in the United States!”

 

Here’s a guy who works two jobs. He loves his daughter, and he’s not psychologically prepared to answer this kind of accusation. He doesn’t even know the language to deal with this! This is not the kind of experience that a single White person in the United States should ever have to go through.

 

And I do not believe, as currently constituted, the United States, either demographically or psychologically or even culturally, can be rebuilt, can be returned to a situation in which that conversation cannot happen, and where Whites are once again masters in their own house, those who are the final arbiters of every aspect, politically, economically, socially, psychologically, of the country in which they live.

 

So for that reason, I do not believe the United States, certainly as currently constituted within its current borders, within its current political system, can ever again be genuinely a home for White people!

 

Frodi Midjord: Thank you for that, Jared. We’ll go over to Greg Johnson. I think you have to unmute yourself. So, Greg, when you heard Jared make his statement in the video a few weeks ago, and make the statement now, what are your thoughts? What is your position on this issue?

 

Greg Johnson: Well, first of all, Jared’s been saying this sort of stuff for 35 years now. And it struck me, though, that his views about the possibility of fixing America have changed. And my big question is, and we can talk about this later, is what changed his thinking about this? Because my impression was that Jared believed that fundamentally, things could be turned around. If we persuade enough people that the current situation is intolerable and will only get worse, people with goodwill, once they’ve been sufficiently enlightened, can work together to convert more and more people, and eventually changing minds will change the political system, and we can move towards fixing this problem. That was the impression that I had.

 

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And so I’m curious as to why, maybe I had a mistaken impression, or if my impression was correct, why is Jared’s thinking changed on this and changed recently?

 

There’s certain bits of language in what you just said, Jared, that I underscored. You said:

 

“It is not at all possible to fix certain things.”

 

And I guess my question is, do you believe it’s not at all possible or simply extremely unlikely?

 

Because if you think it’s extremely unlikely, then I’m with you 100%.

 

But I don’t think that it would be impossible or inconceivable to turn America from sea to shining sea, 50 states, et cetera, into a White homeland. Again, a normatively White society, perhaps even a homogeneously, entirely White society. It’s merely very, very difficult and indeed extremely unlikely with each, increasingly unlikely with each passing day, as things get worse, as we become more and more outnumbered.

 

Another thing that Jared said in his original video that I took issue with was the statement that it just doesn’t matter who’s elected president in 2024, as far as White interests are concerned. I made a strong case, I think, in my piece that it matters a great deal if Donald Trump gets elected. Because now there’s actual talk of deportation, not just building wall, but deporting some of the millions of non-Whites that have flooded into the country under the Biden administration. I think that that is probably the most needful thing right now, is to get control of the border and maybe start reversing this invasion that’s taken place under Biden.

 

Why? Because we need time. Our job was never going to be easy. We have to basically challenge the whole cultural consensus. And if you want to summarize that consensus in a single line, it’s basically the idea that White Identity Politics, and only White Identity Politics, is per se immoral. Every other form of identity politics is fine. Indeed, it will be catered to and pandered to. But White Identity Politics, White people taking their own side in an ethnic conflict, is per se evil!

 

And currently, the entire political establishment, the entire cultural establishment, is on the same page about that. Even the people that we look to for some relief on the border, people like Donald Trump. Donald Trump plays by those rules. Donald Trump, during his first administration, said a lot of things that appealed to White people, but the path of least resistance was basically to pander to non-White minorities.

 

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And so he ended up doing a lot of pandering to non-Whites. Ludicrous and expensive boondoggles like the Platinum Plan and things like that, pardoning rappers and things like that was because Trump wants to take out some insurance. He has this idea that if he can just bend forward and backwards enough to demonstrate that he’s not racist and he’s a really nice guy, people won’t accuse him of the worst possible thing in the world, which is being racist. As long as people think that Whites are not going to be able to win in the political system. Every other group has a trump card, the race card that they can play and we can’t play.

 

And that means that with every hand that we play in this rigged game, we lose more and more. And if we keep playing the game with those rules, we’ll lose it all. And that’s been clear for 35 years. Through the entire time that Jared was publishing American Renaissance. It’s been true for the 14 years that I’ve been publishing Counter-Currents.

 

We’ve got to change that game, and I think we’re having some success at that. It is possible to draw a lot of alarming lines. Big lines going down, White numbers going down, White futures being canceled. It’s possible to draw a lot of big lines going up, namely the non-White populations. But we have to recognize that, and all of these trends will only result in White dispossession if they’re not interrupted.

 

And I think that we, our movement, broadly speaking, has been somewhat successful in interrupting them. We have been getting our memes, our talking points injected now into mainstream political debates.

 

I remember in 2011, I watched the coinage of two terms with great excitement. One was the “White Genocide” meme, and the other was “The Great Replacement”. Both of those were birthed in 2011. And those are marginal within the White nationalist sphere for a good long time. Tim Murdoch, who was involved in the White Genocide meme project, told me that I was actually the first person in our sphere who interviewed him about that. I didn’t know that.

 

So I was there at the beginning of that. Now people talk about White genocide, stealth White genocide, and the term the Great Replacement is mainstreamed as well. I remember before I started Counter-Currents that I was interested in the idea of secession.

 

And at that time I thought Jared would be opposed to such things. [chuckling] I was interested in secession, exploring the possibility of secession as a topic in political philosophy, as something that could be achieved on different jurisdictional levels. You know, cities breaking away from other cities, counties breaking away, and joining other states, and regions becoming their own countries.

 

Those ideas were received with a great deal of frostiness within White nationalist circles. There was a bit of eye rolling about that. Now secession has moved from being marginal within White nationalism to being discussed as a mainstream Republican talking point. They talk about it in terms of national divorce. Interestingly enough, I remember the divorce metaphor for racial separation was born in our milieu, and that has traveled as well.

 

[26:40]

 

Now, of course, what happens as soon. As soon as something gets close to the mainstream, that suck of that stupid idea that there’s nothing worse than White racism, they get in that vortex, and so they’re tempted to drop anything racial and talk about Red states versus Blue states and things like that. But still, well, we’re making progress there, too.

 

So I think there’s some hope that we are overcoming the central dogma that stands in the way of White Identity Politics.

 

And once Whites can unapologetically take our own sides in ethnic conflicts, reject the White guilt narrative. And most White people don’t believe the White guilt narrative. Ashley Jardina published data back in 2018. So that’s fairly old data.

 

And even then, her data indicated that most White people reject the White guilt narrative. And a very substantial percentage of White people think it would be perfectly legitimate for Whites to organize in their ethnic self interest.

 

Of course, these ideas are still terrifying to Republican politicians! But politics is downstream from culture. There is going to be a lag in getting political results, even if we’re changing minds.

 

So I think there’s a lot to work with here, and I think that we just need to continue what we’re doing.

 

The main practical objection that I have to saying that America’s over, in a flat sense, as opposed to saying, it looks bad, folks, unless we can turn this around, is something that Scott Greer brought up in his response to Jared, which is simply that saying stuff like that depresses people. They think:

 

“Well, if it’s hopeless, we might as well just distract ourselves on the Internet.”

 

I do think that that is a problem. I do think that we have to engage with the political process because that’s where people’s attention is. And we have to use current political debates, both national things like national elections and also local politics, as opportunities to convince people that our worldview is correct. And slowly we will change enough people that perhaps we can fix this.

 

My fear is there just not enough serious people in America to fix this problem.

 

But I do think that we can try. And I do think that it is conceivable that it is possible, as opposed to not at all possible, that we could salvage America as a White homeland.

 

Now everything perishes, and that means America will end, too. I’m quite agnostic about how the future is going to unfold, but I do think that it is at least conceivable that we can aim at fixing all of America as a White homeland.

 

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And I think that we should aim for that. I think we should aim for the highest possibilities, because the things that we need to communicate to people, whether we want to make America White homeland again, or if we want to partition the country and have a smaller section set aside for White Americans. Whatever our aim, we’re still going to have to say the same things about the fact that White Identity Politics is inevitable. It’s necessary. It’s completely moral!

 

And so I think we should just keep making these arguments, making this case, and hoping for the best, but also recognizing that we might have to let America go and that American patriotism, if it’s uncritical, might be something that gets in our way. This is another thing that is astonishing to me about America.

 

Frodi Midjord: One or two more minutes?

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah. This is my last point.

 

One thing that astonishes me about American conservatives is they’re so unimaginative, they are so fixated on the superficial. So they think that as long as the flag is red, white, and blue, as long as we have the same seal and the same institutions and so forth, we can switch out the entire population. That’s an incredibly naive and foolish idea.

 

But what that shows is that our enemies have been extremely clever. Instead of launching a frontal assault on the institutions and symbols of America, they’ve done an end run around them. They hollowed them out. They don’t matter! And they don’t matter to us in a certain way. But we shouldn’t, therefore, make a frontal assault on these things, either. Because the people who are happy to see their posterity replaced with Mexicans, with red, white and blue flags would fight like lions if you say:

 

“America, it’s over! We need something new!”

 

Frodi Midjord: Thank you for that, Greg. I’d like to go back to Jared now, and I’d like you to comment on one thing or respond to one thing that Greg said. And that is, did you change your mind about this? And in that case, if you did, what made you change your mind? Because I think that a lot of people were surprised by your statement a few weeks ago when you said that you don’t think that it’s possible to save America.

 

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Jared Taylor: I’d like to reply to a lot of things that Greg Johnson said, but let me dodge that first question. I will get back to it, I promise you. And say one thing, and that is that part of Mr Johnson’s reply has to do with an understandable misunderstanding of what I said.

 

And in my original video, I said that it doesn’t make any difference who is elected in November or four years from now or 40 years from now. When I said that I was talking about the United States as being a nation which in its entirety could be a legitimate homeland for White people.

 

I was not saying, but I understand why it was possible to understand my remarks in that way. I was not saying that those things don’t matter. They matter a great deal! And I should have made myself clear on that in a previous version of that video, which I gave as a talk. I had said at that point, it doesn’t make any difference who’s elected now, four years from now or 40 years from now.

 

What I would say is elections can slow the rot. They can’t reverse the rot! And this upcoming election in a few months, I think is an extremely important one. And to the extent that, and I believe everyone who is following these questions would agree, the demographic circumstance of the United States make a huge difference. What percentage of the American population is White? This election is extremely important in terms of the demographic future of the United States. It may be the most important election ever. I mean, people love to think their election is a particularly important one, but we have a president who basically waves anybody in. And we have a contestant who is saying:

 

“No, no, we’re not going to wave everybody in and we’re going to deport millions.”

 

Those are stark differences! And they are stark differences on what is, to me, the fundamental political question in the United States today.

 

So I’m not saying that politics makes no difference. And to the extent that wide awake White people wish to work, donate money, volunteer in order to help one candidate prevail over another candidate, that is their decision, and I have absolutely no objection to what they do. So politics matter.

 

But again, whether it is Trump and the White House in November, or I guess it won’t be done in January, or it’s Joe Biden. In the long term, that won’t change the fact that the United States cannot be a homeland for Whites. And we cannot, I believe, realistically envision a return to a White America of the kind we had in the fifties and sixties given the millions and millions and tens of millions of non-Whites who live here. What are we going to do with them? It’s a practical matter.

 

Have I changed my mind? Yes, some years ago, and Greg Johnson is aware of this. We had a debate in the pages of American Renaissance, and I don’t believe I contributed to that debate, but Sam Francis did. And he said:

 

“It’s preposterous to think that we should settle for just a part of the United States!”

 

He thought we could get it back lock, stock, and barrel. It’s just a question of changing enough people’s minds, passing the right policies, persuading people to go back home, and the United States can be ours again. At that time, even at that time, I would have been prepared to say:

 

“Okay, we’ll draw a line right down the middle of the United States, right down the middle! And we could say to the non-Whites, you pick your half, whichever half you like, and we’ll be satisfied with the other.”

 

That was my state of mind then. I’d be happy with just half the continent with a line drawn right down the middle. Because the idea of getting it all back seems to me to be not impossible in the sense that theoretically, anything is possible. But our goals should be realistic goals, and our policies should be ones that I think can lead to some kind of solution.

 

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Now, Greg Johnson is 100% correct to say that the arguments we make about the morality of our position and the legitimacy of our goals, of the founding ideas about the United States as a European White nation, all of those arguments remain the same. I agree 100% that our job is to persuade enough White people to agree with us. If every White person in America agreed with us, then it might be possible to re-establish the United States of America as an all-White country. That might be possible. But at this point, we’re still only a small minority.

 

But in terms of trying to persuade people to agree with us whether or not saving the United States as a whole, or saving a part of the United States, or secession at different levels, as Greg Johnson was talking about earlier, whatever the goal is, our arguments are all the same. We are a people with legitimate rights. We deserve to survive, and to seek to preserve our race and our culture is not only a legitimate and moral thing. We can describe it as, I think, one of the major and primary and most important callings that anyone could have at this period in history. He and I are 100% agree, agreed with that.

 

Now, I also agree that our ideas are gaining ground, certainly in the Internet, certainly in the interest in websites like Counter-Currents or American Renaissance or Scanza forum. More and more White people are waking up. There is no question about that. I find it very, very encouraging! Compared to 34 years ago when I started this, the kind of people I meet and in the numbers in which I meet them, very impressive young people! By the time they’re 25, they know things that took me till I was 45 to figure out, and maybe not even then. Very impressive people who understand what’s at stake and are prepared to do something about it.

 

So there’s no question about it. Our ideas are gaining, but other sides numbers are gaining and will gain simply through natural increase, even if Donald Trump seals the border and expels 11, 12, 20 million illegal immigrants! The numbers are against us in terms of getting the whole thing back.

 

[38:57]

 

So this is a very long, long and roundabout way of explaining, yes, I have changed my mind. When I first started in 1990, I did think that because the case for White Identity Politics, if you will, had been made in a crude and overbearing and mean spirited way. I very naively thought that if our case were to be made reasonably on the basis of biological fact, of historical allusion, to an expression of reciprocal understanding and mutually agreed voluntary separation, at least locally, all of this could be achieved without decades and decades and decades of lack of progress.

 

Well, I was spectacularly naive. I had certainly thought that by now, ideas about racial consciousness would be very much in the mainstream. And Greg Johnson said earlier that the talk of secession is almost mainstream. Well, it is to a degree. People talk about Texas seceding. But not for the reasons we want it to secede. People talk about New Hampshire, the great, the Pacific Northwest seceding, but not for the right reasons. We have to convince them to openly state racial reasons for this.

 

So, and finally, on the question of preserving the symbols of America, I agree 100%, because we have the same flag, we have the same constitution. We have the same form of government. We have the same capital building. It’s been there since the 18 hundreds. We have the same three branches of government. It is easy for Conservatives. I mean, Greg Johnson said they had a lack of imagination. I think you could say that they have a sickly inspired imagination. To think that all of these things can work for an utterly different people. This runs so contrary to everything we know about history that to believe that if in fact they do, shows a kind of fevered imagination. But the idea, the conservative idea:

 

“Well, we’re going to get back to the Constitution, and that will save us!”

 

Obvious folly!

 

And I remember at CPAC [Consevative Political Action Conference], I attended CPAC just this last time around. It is a spectacular show of a touching earnestness! These White people care deeply about their country, but they have either no idea or they deliberately suppress the idea that their country can be the country they want only if it is a country of White people. There is a deep sadness when I see these people cheering the flag and saying such things as:

 

“Well, get Trump back in the office and we’ll restore Christian values!”

 

What kind of crazy goofiness is that? Some of the speakers actually say that, or they are talking, yammering about how the Constitution will save us. No, no! They have to be guided to a realistic understanding of the biology of community, not that it’s a piece of paper.

 

And so in that sense, I’m in 100% agreement with Greg Johnson. Our job as educators continues.

 

And I’m also in agreement. I’m agnostic about the future, too. I don’t know how things will fall together. But if we do our job correctly, and if enough people do begin to agree with us, things will fall together in ways we can’t even imagine. But we’re not there yet. And I cannot realistically anticipate they’re falling together in a way that the entire United States once again becomes our home.

 

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Frodi Midjord: Thank you so much for that, Jared.

 

I want to go back to Greg now and let him comment as well on some of the things that Jared Taylor said here. And I’d like to ask the direct question to you, Greg. Do you think that, I mean, putting aside the question of whether it’s moral and just and right that America should become a normatively White country and go back to that, do you think it’s realistic, do you think that it’s actually realistic that America can become something like it was in the fifties, six sixties? Again, if we’re talking only about racial composition of the country, of course, where White people are 90% or something like where it is a White country again. Do you think that that’s actually a realistic goal?

 

Greg Johnson: Yes, practically, in this sense. It was possible for us to go from a 90% White country to a 60% White country in a little over 50 years. Why did that happen? Well, because certain demographic trends were Instituted by political policy. And if that’s the case, then it is just as possible, in the broad sense, metaphysically possible, that these trends could be reversed. That we would have net emigration of non-Whites rather than immigration. That demographic trends that are not favorable to Whites could be shifted, that we could increase White birth rates, and that we could go in another 50 years of slow ethnic transformation back to a country with 90% White majority.

 

And I’ve actually proposed that. I have an essay in my book called White Identity Politics. It’s called the Uppity White Folks Manifesto. And I look at this as a sort of a more politically realistic proposal to put out than simply a completely ethnically homogeneous homeland, although that’s what I would want. And that is something that you could get people who are a little closer to the political mainstream on board with and say:

 

“Okay, we are alarmed by the demographic decline of the White majority, and we want to keep America a country to be proud of, and that means that we have to halt and reverse the demographic line of the White majority.”

 

These policies could be put in place and we could give it 50 years. So you don’t have to be rushing people across the border. You just have the right incentives in place, and then you just allow time to work its magic, and it can be done in a way that’s almost invisible. And so 50 years down the road, people will wake up one morning and they’ll start noticing things. It’s like:

 

“Wait, where did all the crime and ugliness go?”

 

It’s been slowly removed from our cities. That is a possibility.

 

I have an essay. It’s a chapter in my White Nationalist Manifesto called Restoring White Homelands, where I lay out a way of doing this in a gradual way that could be squared with the moral intuitions of most Americans.

 

Now, will that happen? Well, we would need to build a huge political consensus on its behalf, and we would need to maintain that consensus in power for decades and put these policies into operation. It’s conceivable. Is it likely? Well, not bloody likely right now! But increasingly likely with each passing day that we communicate our ideas to more people and convince more people that we’re right.

 

So I think it’s perfectly possible, it’s perfectly conceivable. If it was possible for them to come here, it’s possible for them to leave. That’s the basic intuition that I have. And the people who say:

 

“We just can’t get rid of all these people!”

 

You have to say, you just have to say that as the mantra:

 

“If it was possible for them to come here, it’s possible for them to leave!”

 

What about the ones who were born here? If it’s possible for their parents to come here, it’s possible for them to go back with their parents. What about family reunification? Well, that can take place in Manila, Karachi and Lagos as well.

 

All of these arguments, these arguments that posit some kind of false necessity for White demographic decline, well, they are false. There’s a false necessity that’s been being asserted here, a false inevitability, a false moral necessity. And we simply have to reject that and turn it around.

 

So, yeah, if it’s just a question of what’s practical, the practicality question can be dismissed easily. There are all these airliners coming full of people. They have to go back! The airliners can go back. Why not have them go back full rather than empty? People walk across the border. They can walk across the border the other way. That’s the basic response.

 

It’s not a question of what’s practicable. It’s a question of will! It’s a question of political will. And that has everything to do with our moral ideas about what’s desirable. And therefore, we have to work on people’s moral sensibilities. We have to soften them up, show them that:

 

“Yes, White people can have a future, and you can square it with your soft, post modern bourgeois sensibilities.”

 

People accept all the time that people move because of economic reasons. You graduate from college, you’re looking for a job. Well, you might have to move across the continent. You get a job in a big company, that company moves you across the continent. Again, we accept this. We accept that kind of stuff all the time. There’s no moral qualms whatsoever about people being moved around for economic reasons. So why can we not communicate to people that there should be no moral qualms about moving people around for far more important reasons, namely, to save the ethnic integrity of the culture of the country, to save our race, to make the world a better place? I think that’s possible. It’s a tall order.

 

But again, which with each passing day, as we apply ourselves to this problem, it gets more and more possible.

 

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Frodi Midjord: Thank you for that, Greg. I want to ask you a question, pose a challenge to the both of you.

 

Jared Taylor: May I reply to a specific point there?

 

Frodi Midjord: Yes, go ahead, Jared.

 

Jared Taylor: The equivalence of people walking across the border one way and walking across the border the other way, failed due to one fundamental fact. They wanted to walk across the border one way, and you are proposing that they walk across the border in the other way despite the fact that they don’t want to! And to persuade them, …

 

Greg Johnson: Make them want to!

 

Jared Taylor: Well, you’re talking about enormous, enormous incentives or enormous incentives, either positive or negative, and that is the difference.

 

Now, as I said before, if every White person in America agreed with you and me that we have a moral right to be us, only we can be us, and we have the right to be us, then all kinds of things would happen.

 

But I don’t think we can count on persuading every single White person, and we won’t persuade many of the non-Whites at all! Many of them will say, American Indians and blacks will say:

 

“Look, we’ve been here as long as you have. We’re staying. You can’t make us leave unless it’s at bayonet point or in exchange for $5 million once they go away, and never promise to come back.”

 

So on a practical matter, and even in terms of a moral matter, getting these people to go, if they’ve been here generation after generation after generation, I think even White people who would agree with us that we deserve a future, many of them would balk at the idea of telling people whose ancestors came here, sometimes against their will, been here for generations, say:

 

“You got to clear out, fellas!”

 

That’s a very tough thing. That’s a very tough thing to sell.

 

So even though the practicalities of secession are extremely daunting, I believe that they are more realistic than persuading hundreds of millions of people to bugger off!

 

Greg Johnson: Well, it’s not hundreds of millions yet! But you raise a good point.

 

First of all, I do think that the actual indigenous people in North America should retain their systems of reservations. They should go back to being citizens of their tribes, and they have a very generous settlement, and there should be no, we should not disturb a feather on their heads. Okay.

 

As for the blacks, the descendants of black slaves, I favor finding them homeland somewhere of their own. I think that’s only fair. And it would be infinitely superior from our point of view, infinitely cheaper, even in the long term, to just find them a homeland and settle them there and give them every incentive.

 

As for the people who come here, who come here recently and by recently, I mean the last 50 years. People who have, it’s getting on to 60 years now, isn’t it? The people who come here in the last six decades, mostly out of economic reasons, we can change the economic incentives.

 

The people who come illegally, well, we can simply ship those out very quickly.

 

The people who came here under false pretenses. And that might include millions when you start looking at all the paperwork and their families.

 

Of course, we can’t deport somebody and break up families, so we’d have to send the whole family back to Manila. Just by sort of taking it in slices. First, all the illegals go, then all the people who are here under false pretenses go. Then there are significant numbers of people after that who have acquired citizenship or amnesty or whatever. Well, you find what incentives would keep them here and what incentives would make them go, and you start applying those incentives.

 

It’s completely conceivable that you could do this. And conceivable in the metaphysical sense, I can imagine that we could get America back to a 90% White majority country with a minimum amount of upset and bloodshed and people could go about their lives in a normal way, and gradually things would get better and better. I think that that’s completely conceivable.

 

And we owe it to our people, who are the most morally squeamish people on the planet, to an unhealthy degree, to square that with their consciences. I think we can do that.

 

[54:39]

 

So, yes, you may raise a very good point about the indigenous people. They have their homelands, their reservations. A very good point about the Afro-Americans. Yes, we should secure a homeland for them. Let’s call it Wakanda. But there are many millions of people who have arrived in the last nearly 60 years who, … And many of these people, there are many Chinese.

 

I used to live in a neighborhood of San Francisco that used to be an Irish neighborhood, but when I lived there, it was majority Chinese. There were people working in banks and the post office in my neighborhood in San Francisco who were 6th generation Americans, Chinese Americans, and only spoke enough English to get by in their jobs.

 

And if you ask them a question that was a little outside the ordinary, they’d be totally flustered!

 

And I thought that was extraordinary! There are many of these groups, some of these Asian groups especially, who have been in America for a long time, but have never become of America. I think it’s perfectly conceivable that if the grass is greener elsewhere, that they might be inclined to uproot themselves and they’ve already maintained a huge amount of their language and cultural continuity.

 

So if we apply our imaginations to these things, I think we could certainly get America back to status quo. 1965 in ethnic terms.

 

[56:07]

 

Frodi Midjord: I want to pose another challenge to the both of you, which I think adds to the problem, in addition to, of course, the logistics and so on that you mentioned. Of course, people can travel in both directions. But I do think that there is a, there’s a generational problem that I would like both of you to comment on. I’d like to share an article with you on the screen. We mentioned 2011 before, and this is an article from CNN from 2012. It says here, and I remember clearly the day when this news was published:

 

“That US minorities now represent more than half of America’s population under the age of one.”

 

This was in 2011. So this is now almost 15 years ago. The Census Bureau said the:

 

“Defining the minority as anyone who is not single White race and not Hispanic released estimates that now a majority were minorities as of July 1, 2011.”

 

Like I said, this is an article. I remember when this news came out because it’s, of course, a tipping point when this happened, when the births are majority non-White in America. And this poses a question about the generations, because I think that if you grow up in a society, a White society, that you consider the normal society, and then you see something going wrong, you can conceive of the idea of going back to normal.

 

And I think that, well, I definitely grew up in Scandinavia, when I grew up, when I was a child, was definitely overwhelmingly majority White. And still is majority White, but it was normatively, was just Scandinavian countries, were White countries.

 

And I believe that when both of you grew up in America, it was normatively White. But if we look at the younger generations, and that’s why I brought up that article, the people who are now in their twenties, that was no longer the case.

 

So my point here is that they’ve never even seen a White America, America as a White country. Don’t you think it’s more, even more difficult for them to even grasp the idea, understand what it means to go back to a society, type of society that they’ve never seen? Because for us, it’s going back to normal. For them, it’s going back to something that they’ve never, ever seen! And so as the generations go by, the younger generations will have an even more bigger problem with going back. Well, I’d like you to comment on that, Jared, first.

 

[58:47]

 

Jared Taylor: I would say, not necessarily. There was a fellow by the name of Patterson, Robert Patterson. He was the founder of the White Citizens Councils, and he had, I think, an extreme, an intriguing expression. It was:

 

“The best cure for integration fever is a stiff dose of negroes!”

 

Now, he didn’t use the word “negroes”. I’m paraphrasing. The idea being if you think that multiracialism is a wonderful thing, well, just experience it and that will cure you. I’ve been dismayed that it has not cured people to the extent that I would hope that it would.

 

But for many young people, the young people that I meet who are, as I say, extremely impressive, well informed, understand what’s at stake and are committed, they, I believe, have come to their dissident views, not necessarily because they read Greg Johnson’s website or mine, but because they’ve looked around them and they’ve seen just how awful everything is.

 

Now, as soon as they begin to wonder, is this the way things should be, then there is no difficulty. With a few clicks of the Internet, they can find people who say:

 

“No, that’s not the way it should be! And that’s not the way it always has been. And we have every right to wish to return to a White, homogeneous America.”

 

So I don’t think it’s necessarily an obstacle, as you’ve described it.

 

Frodi Midjord: Greg, what do you think about the generational issues? Is it more likely that Zoomers and even the younger generation, which I don’t even know what they’re called, the generation that’s younger than Zoomers, is it more likely that they will be able to reverse this than it is for us who grew up in a society that was normatively White?

 

Greg Johnson: It’s a very good question. I do think Jared’s right, though.

 

The idea that exposing people to diversity makes them love it is false. The more you are exposed to it, the more people rebel against it.

 

Now, some people, if they’re exposed to it too much, will, of course, just sort of give in. They’ll lose their identity and they’ll just go along with it. That’s clearly a possibility. And that’s sort of what I think our enemies are counting on. If we can simply be overwhelmed and demoralized to the point where we’re like White Rhodesians or White South Africans, then it’ll be game over.

 

I do think, however, that short of that demoralization point, increased diversity is causing a backlash. And yes, I agree with Jared. It’s not because Jared Taylor and I are silver tongue persuaders on the Internet that we are seeing these nationalist and populist shifts in voting. Okay, well, the real reason we’re seeing these shifts is because people are observing with their own eyes the heinous effects of globalization and multiculturalism. That’s the thing that’s waking people up.

 

What happens then is they find us and we provide sort of a finishing school. We explain why this is the case, why it’s inevitable, and help them entertain thoughts about alternatives, which is why I write things like Restoring White Homelands. It might seem utopian to some people, but it’s worth exploring these possibilities, because so many people have falsely constrained sense of what’s possible. So we need to expand their imaginations.

 

[1:02:29]

 

So, yeah, diversity repulses a lot of people. It creates problems. The problems are covered up. People notice the cover-ups. That makes the system less and less credible, and they come searching for alternatives. And we are the alternative.

 

And as long as we can stay on the Internet and people can find us, we will continue to convince people.

 

And of course, they’ve done everything they can to make that more and more difficult. I did a search for one of my own articles using the search function on Counter-Currents, which is a duckduckgo plugin. And I found that Duckduckgo had censored certain articles of mine from results, so had Google.

 

So I couldn’t even use this function to search my own website and find certain articles by me. Maybe it’s just the quickest way to get the link is just to plug it in the search bar. That’s extraordinary! I had a bunch of friends check in various countries to see if they could find this particular article. Most of them could not. And that’s how censored the system is. The. But still, people are finding their way to us.

 

And of course, when we have relatively greater freedom, like on Twitter today, and of course, everybody should be campaigning who’s on Twitter to get Jared Taylor back. You know, when we have a little bit more freedom, it’s astonishing how much interesting stuff circulates around and how quickly people can red pill.

 

Jared said something that I observed as well. I meet people who are in their twenties, who know more about things than I knew when I was 40. And one of the things that I wanted to do ever since founding Counter-Currents and even before that, is try and reach people when they’re really young to save them time. That’s what education does. We don’t have to reinvent the wheel with each generation. We can take it from our ancestors, and that saves us time, and we can build new things on it.

 

And that’s another thing that’s a great success in our movement. We have made information available that has accelerated the racial education of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, far beyond the rate at which Jared and I learned these things, because it was just harder to learn these things on our own or with the resources that were available in our time.

 

Frodi Midjord: Did you want to answer Jared before we take questions?

 

Jared Taylor: I don’t want to exclude questions, but I do want to make a point.

 

Frodi Midjord: Yes.

 

[1:05:21]

 

 

Jared Taylor: With regard to something that Greg Johnson said earlier about our moral squeamishness. I think that is a tremendous defect of White people. We are morally squeamish. For practically every other race all you need to do is tell them:

 

“Well, this is in your interest.”

 

And without any kind of mental deliberation, they’ll say:

 

“Great, we want it!”

 

The idea that it might be not in someone else’s interest, the idea that it might hurt them, that doesn’t seem to hold them back at all, especially in the case of blacks. If it’s good for them, just to heck with everybody else! And not a shred of a thought, otherwise.

 

We are not that way. We are just not that way. And that has held us back in many important ways. And to me, this moral squeamishness will come into play the more you are telling White people:

 

“Look, in order to get what we deserve and what we need, you’ve got to take these millions of people and kick them out of the country, or persuade them to get out of the country!”

 

My suspicion is that aside from all the practicalities, the moral squeamishness problem would be in trying to re-establish an entirely White United States, rather than in, I think, what sounds like a more fair minded way, saying:

 

“Okay, we made a mistake, but you’re here. At least you’re a citizen. Stripping people of citizenship, this sort of thing sounds pretty grim.”

 

And saying:

 

“Okay, we’re going to make a fair division of the spoils the way things are, of course, the illegals have got to go.”

 

I think that is going to be less of a problem for our morally squeamish brothers and sisters than saying:

 

“Okay, we’re going to take the whole thing back!”

 

That’s just one point I wish to make.

 

Frodi Midjord: Very good. Thank you for that. Okay, I want to read some questions from the audience, and then I’ll get back to letting you finish the debate by asking each other questions or adding whatever you want to add. But let’s take some questions from the audience. Open Borders for Israel sends $5. He says:

 

“I’m from Australia, so we’ll miss this. But it’s not just the US that is in trouble. According to demographics projections, there will be 4.5.”

 

I think he means billion:

 

“Africans, by 2100, with Nigeria alone having more people than the entire EU by 2060. 75% of young Africans want to go to Europe. What do you think Europe’s future is?”

 

So I’d let both of you answer this. Do you have any thoughts about comparing America with Europe? Is it more difficult in one place or the other?

 

Jared Taylor: After you.

 

Frodi Midjord: Let’s start with you.

 

Jared Taylor: Oh, me again? [chuckling] All right. Well, I think our problems are exactly the same. It is mustering the will to do what every other race would do without compunction. And it’s mustering the will to say:

 

“Okay, sorry, this is for us! Our ancestors built it for us, and you can’t come!”

 

And this is something that Whites, even if they know in their bones that they should be able to say this, are unable to say it.

 

And I think you find that across the White world, only a few very small Eastern European countries seem to have that in them. So western Europe faces exactly the same problem that we do.

 

[1:08:46]

 

Frodi Midjord: Greg, do you want to comment on this?

 

Greg Johnson: I do think Europe is more hopeful, for two reasons. One, yes, Eastern Europe is a bit more sensible than western Europe. And two, the race replacement immigration into Europe is far more recent than what’s happened in America. And therefore, it’s far more conceivable that it can simply be reversed in its entirety.

 

And I think people would have far fewer moral qualms about reversing it in its entirety. It’s going to be a tough battle, even in Europe, but it is more conceivable that Europe could be restored to a Europe of different homelands for European peoples. And the recent interlopers will simply go back to where they came from.

 

Jared Taylor: I agree. The rot has not gone as far in Europe. Well, I suppose, as Greg Johnson suggested, there is Zimbabwe and there’s South Africa. But really, the United States is the bellwether here.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah. I have spoken to people in Europe, our European comrades, and they’ll say things to me that are just amusing, but incredibly encouraging. I met a fellow in 2015 in Hungary, and he said:

 

“Greg, we have a terrible race problem in Hungary!”

 

And I said:

 

“What?”

 

And he said:

 

“We have 500 Africans!”

 

And I thought:

 

“What, like, in the neighborhood?”

 

“No, in the whole country?”

 

And I said to him:

 

“I’ve been on subway trains with 500 Africans.”

 

And he said:

 

“Yes! But there was a time when your country only had 500 Africans too!”

 

And I thought:

 

“This is true. I can’t argue with this.”

 

And the point is that Europeans are far more fussy about this, when the numbers are tiny, than Americans. Americans don’t react until, you know, unfortunately, it’s almost too late.

 

Whereas Europeans are more ethnocentric, and even small numbers of immigrants seem intolerable to them.

 

Whereas in America they just seem like:

 

“Oh, that’s just normal life.”

 

So when European countries will say:

 

“We’ve got a serious problem, we have 5% non-White!”

 

Americans roll their eyes and think:

 

“What I would give to live in a 5% non-White country.”

 

So the very fact that they’re more sensitive to these problems when they’re much smaller, makes it more likely that they’ll be able to fix them in their entirety.c Root and branch.

 

Frodi Midjord: Thank you for that. Gadius Maximus sends $10, he says:

 

“A challenge for Mr Taylor. Why not be optimistic for the future when the Spanish Reconquista is a historical precedent we can draw inspiration from? It seems to me that all of this is over as soon as we take our own side.”

 

So how does the current situation compare to the Reconquista, Jared?

 

[1:12:00]

 

Jared Taylor: The Spaniards never ever gave up taking their own side. We have given up taking our own side for decades. [As a result of non-stop Orgjew brainwashing]

 

And as I agreed already, if everyone in America agreed that we had the right to this continent, we would get it back.

 

But that is just not realistic. I think we have to set our goals in realistic ways, and again in terms of overcoming our squeamish brethren. The idea of settling for a part of the country is more realistic.

 

Something else, though, that has occurred to me in that matter. Say there was a secession and a division of the spoils. I wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility that as the non-White part of the United States fell into economic difficulties and all sorts of problems, they might end up selling chunks of it back to us over the years. So we might end up with all of it! I don’t know.

 

But historical parallels, mostly fail. And in this case I think they do fail, because again, the Spaniards never lost any sense that, it was hundred years later, but Christians recognized that they were not Muslims in a way that White Americans do not recognize that these interlopers are not themselves, and this is incompatible. I think that parallel is false.

 

Frodi Midjord: Thank you for that. Greg, do you want to give a brief comment about the Reconquista comparison?

 

Greg Johnson: I do think that we should look at historical examples, because a lot of times people will say:

 

“It’s not possible to send millions of Mexicans back!”

 

And then you point out, well, actually, no, in the 20th century, the United States government sent millions of Mexicans back twice! That sort of ends arguments like that.

 

Yes, of course, at that time, we had a different consensus even in the leadership caste of the nation. We need to get back to that kind of thinking, just like we need to get back to the thinking of the Spanish, who never lost a sense that this was their land.

 

Another nation that we should look to is the Irish. The Irish never gave up hope, and eventually they got most of their land back, and became an independent nation after centuries of occupation.

 

So it is possible, if you maintain your identity and your sense of a right to have your own homeland, to be a free people in your own land. Without that, you’ve got no hope. With that, basically, it’s just a matter of figuring out how! It’s not a matter of, … Your will is activated, and then it’s just a matter of solving the problem at hand.

 

[1:13:53]

 

Frodi Midjord: All right. Okay. Moving on to the next question. A real Ubermensch sends $20. He says:

 

“Jared, love you, man! But there is a particular group of people who unify effectively behind the principle of and policy of browning America. They are the most disproportionately over-represented group of the multicultural movement. And yet you never seem to criticize them regarding this.”

 

Well, this is a question [of jewish power] we’ve heard many times, Jared, I’d leave it up to you if you want to answer it. Do you want to comment on that, Jared?

 

Jared Taylor: Oh, my opinions on this are well established. I think certainly in the aggregate, the jews have been very destructive in terms of undermining the moral legitimacy of any kind of White racial consciousness. But that does not mean, in my view, that every single jew is an enemy [A straw man point to make-K]. And that is where I part company with the many in our movement.

 

And I think that there are some jews who are committed men of the West who can be our allies. And they are invariably people who recognize, as I do, the aggregate effect of jews. But I never criticize those who want to discuss the role of jews in gentile societies. I don’t consider that my primary focus, but there are plenty of other people who do.

 

Frodi Midjord: All right. Very good.

 

ThinRedLine sends $10. He says:

 

“Mr Jared Taylor, what do you think is the solution for White America?”

 

So if we can’t go back, Jared, what is the solution then? Is that secession, or what is the solution you propose?

 

Jared Taylor: Ironically, it was precisely what Greg Johnson said earlier in his opening statement. It would be disengagement at various levels, whether it’s at the community level, whether it’s county or state, some recognition that Whites can gather together and form communities.

 

Now, to me, perhaps it would be possible at the national level simply to recognize that it is a natural inclination of people of all races to prefer the company of people like themselves. That to me, is far more realistic than saying:

 

“Okay, the country made a mistake. We need to be majority White again!”

 

Reversing that process, I think, is much, much more difficult than saying at the national level even, or even at the state level, recognizing, okay, if Koreans want Korean churches, there’s nothing wrong with that. If blacks want black societies for this and that and the other, black associations of sociologists or black steam shovel drivers, whatever it is, that’s okay. And it’s okay for Whites to have White churches and Whites to have White communities and stop trying to force people together!

 

Government at every level is in the business of forcing people together! If government just got out of that business and let the natural ethnocentric nature of humans flourish, then that would be an important first step to local disengagement. But disengagement of one form or another, whether it is de jure, de facto, or even across state lines, or ultimately to establishing local sovereignties within the United States that were, if not 100% White, explicitly White. That is, to me, the only realistic solution at this point.

 

Now, of course, we can all imagine going back to an all White or overwhelmingly White United States of America within its current boundaries. I just don’t think it’s possible.

 

[1:18:25]

 

Frodi Midjord: All right. Let’s move on to the next question. Potato Mutt. [chuckling] That’s $2. He says:

“We’ve seen Greg on Decameron before, but never Uncle Jared. Is there any chance we could see him this year? Assuming he has plans for Decameron this year?”

 

We’ve actually seen Jared on the first Decameron we were talking about. What was the film? Harakir?

 

Jared Taylor: That’s correct. My favorite movie.

 

Frodi Midjord: Very good.

 

So the viewer can go back and look at that and hopefully we’ll have Jared on again to talk about some other film.

 

Okay, Green Party sent $5. This is an interesting question:

 

“How would Mr Taylor alter his strategy slash message if he could go back in time to 1990 and start American Renaissance all over again?”

 

Would you change anything in your message, Jared, if you could go back and start over?

 

Jared Taylor: You know, I don’t think I would. Does that mean I’ve learned nothing from, … Learned no lessons from 34 years of doing the same thing? Perhaps? No, I don’t think so. the importance of racial differences in IQ, the moral legitimacy of White racial consciousness, the rightness and just the necessity of White taking their own destinies in their hands and recognizing that they are a legitimate group. None of that message would change, I don’t believe.

 

Frodi Midjord: Very good. All right. Wrath of Arminius sends $25. Loyal, longtime supporter of the show. He says:

 

“I generally agree with Jared Taylor. Gregory Hood’s Amren article to the Ronin of the West is well worth the read.”

 

Thank you for that. I don’t think I read that article. Okay. The Woodlander sends $10. He says:

 

“Thank you both, Jared and Greg. Some great points raised by both. And thank you to Frodi for organizing the debate. On reflection, I think Jared has it.”

 

Thank you for that.

 

Okay, let me see if we also have some questions over on Entropy. Okay, a bunch of them. I’ll Take My Stance sent $50. Very generous! Says:

 

“Austrian activist Martin Sellner has excellent messaging and tactics, like a large portion of the American Right, albeit a more limited issue. Are either of you following Sellner, and if so, what is your opinion of what he’s doing in Europe?”

 

Greg, let’s start with you. Do you have any comments on this?

 

Greg Johnson: I followed Sellner for years. I think he’s very brave, very intelligent, very articulate, and has great messaging. So I highly respect him and support him. Roger Devlin just reviewed Sellner’s most recent book, which is on remigration at Counter-Currents. That was just reviewed last week, I believe.

 

So if you want to see what he’s been up to recently, and you don’t want to read a short book in German, you can read Roger Devlin’s summary. But I hold him in the highest esteem, and I don’t fear for the long term future of Austria or Germany, because there are enough serious people in those countries.

 

[1:21:45]

 

Frodi Midjord: Jared, do you want to add a comment?

 

Jared Taylor: Oh, I share Greg Johnson’s very hard regard for Martin Sellner.

 

In fact, he’ll be putting in an appearance at the next American Renaissance conference, probably by video, because he’s unlikely to be able to get a visa for the United States. He’s going to do his best, but I suppose this could be my entree to make a plug for the American Renaissance Conference, November 15 through 17th. We’ve just started advertising it.

 

But no, the idea of remigration this is a word that is now current in Europe, in a way that it’s not in the United States, and that simply underscores the greater willingness of Europeans to think in terms of saving their own civilization.

 

Now, I certainly agree with Greg Johnson that because the rot is not so deep in Europe and because minorities have not been present in enormous numbers for nearly as long as in the United States, people are not as accustomed to it, and I believe their chances are greater.

 

Now I must say I was shocked when Dries van Langenhoen, the Flemish activist who has been condemned to prison now for his opinions. It’s an absolutely outrageous treatment of another man in whom I hold the highest regard! A very, very talented, remarkable man! He told me that many people in Europe think that the United States as the one country with the largest number of Whites, we hold the key to success for White movements all around the world. I was dismayed to hear that! Because I believe that in many respects, we’re the farthest gone! We’re the ones who manufacture the poisons that we’re trying to get Europeans all around the world to drink.

 

And I think it’s going to be much harder to save America in that sense than it is even Europe or Great Britain. Especially in the case of Great Britain, as far gone as it is, I think it would be easier to save Britain than the United States.

 

Frodi Midjord: Interesting. Thank you for that. Here’s an interesting question. $5 from My Row House, says:

 

“China, through Mao greatly increased their birth rates, then decreased with one child policy. No such policy could work for Europeans. Question mark. We are too free and not prone to authoritarianism.”

 

So is it less, are Europeans too individualistic and free? Is it less likely to be possible to socially engineer higher birth rates among Europeans or White people? I guess Europeans in the diaspora, in America, and so on.

 

Let’s start with you, Greg. Do you have any comments on this?

 

[1:24:22]

 

Greg Johnson: Oh, I think it would be relatively easy to socially engineer higher birth rates, especially if we control the media and academia. Because people respond to this. Most people are not independent thinkers. Most people respond to social cues. One could increase birth rates simply by having more romantic comedies where attractive couples have babies, and have more television ads where you have families, attractive couples with happy kids. You could change the image of the average family from a two child family, which represents slow demographic decline, to a three child family, which represents healthy growth. All of these things could be done, I think, relatively easily.

 

Another thing a well organized society should do is simply close certain professions to women.

 

I think that we should go back to the model of making it possible for a working man to own a house and support a wife and, 2.1 children on a single income.

 

And one of the reasons why that is not possible, aside from immigration and globalization, is (((feminism))). Work force competition from women.

 

So I do think that certain sectors of the economy should be closed off to female workers.

 

The absurd idea that we need women in combat positions in the military, or women fire-fighters, or women police, those are the easiest places to do that if we simply make it more necessary for women to, and more possible for women to become housewives, and not fritter away their time with jobs and college, the better.

 

Another incentive that we can do, and I believe this is something that a neoconservative writer, a jewish neocon, I believe Leon Cass proposed back in the nineties, is to encourage more women to have children when they’re fertile, intelligent women. What we should do is create incentives for women to start families before they go to college. And then give them college education incentives after their children start going to grade school. I think a lot of women would follow such incentives. And the best kind of women, the more intelligent ones, would follow those.

 

So I think it’s perfectly possible to socially engineer higher birth rates, even in highly individualistic countries. Because even in highly individualistic countries, we’re not that independent minded. And we’re taking all kinds of cues from the culture around us, and we’re following rational economic incentives. That’s what individualists do. We can change those incentives.

 

Frodi Midjord: Jared, do you want to comment on this?

 

Jared Taylor: Yes, I think all the things, all those things can be done, but the most important would be to give White people a sense of being part of a race that deserves to continue. The sense of racial nationalism.

 

I understand. I’ve never heard this verified, but I remember someone once telling me that there was a slogan in Victorian England, and it had to do with childbirth, or the mechanism that ultimately results in childbirth.

 

On the assumption that women were not eager to participate in this act, they were urged to:

 

“Grit your teeth and think of England!”

 

Well, these days, ladies don’t have to be told to grit their teeth, but they should be told to think of America, if it’s a White America, or think of Estonia.

 

Giving people monetary incentives is one thing. Keeping them out of profession is another. Telling them to have children before they go to college, all of those things may do something. But you will find in the United States today, racially conscious families of, if you have a racially conscious husband and a wife, they want to have children for all the right reasons.

 

And it is this mentality that I think could give birth to large numbers of White children if that were, again, part of the social atmosphere, the sort of social cues that Greg Johnson was talking about.

 

[1:29:09]

 

 

Greg Johnson: I would like to add one small thing. Also, the problem is not so much that there are too few of us, it’s that there are too many of them within our homelands. And it’s a very bad frame to think of this as a breeding war with the third world. Because we’ll never win that battle. What we need to do, first and foremost, is secure our own borders and our own living spaces. And at that point, we can sort out the demographic issues.

 

People talk about declining populations. People talk about, with great alarm, countries like Japan. Its population is declining. But Japan was a great nation with half the population that it has today. I don’t see any reason why we always need to have a growing population. Part of that has to do with certain Ponzi scheme, social welfare and economic policies that have been put in place that could be changed.

 

So I think the main thing is to regain control of our borders and our destiny, and then we can worry about the demographic thing.

 

Of course, White people who are awake in the here and now, they should be doing what they can to have families. But we are not going to win if we just see this as a breeding war.

 

Jared Taylor: On the other hand, it’s more important ultimately, at some point, once things even up, to have at least a number of births, that equals the number of deaths. It’s all very well to say Japan was a great country with half its population. But if it is reduced to half, there’s got to be something that keeps it from being reduced to a quarter and a tenth, right?

 

Frodi Midjord: Yeah. Very good. We have a bunch of questions, so we’ll continue. Green Party sends $3:

 

“Great debate!”

 

Thank you so much!

 

And then there’s one from Michael, which I think I’ll have to rephrase a little bit. He sends $14.88. He say, basically has a question about sexual values in society, about recriminalizing what he calls sexual degeneracies, and legal aspects about miscegenation, transgenderism and so on.

 

Are those factors problem in boosting childbirths? So:

 

“Legal issues connected with homosexuality, miscegenation and transgenderism and so on.”

 

Do you have any comments on that? Jared? Do you want to say anything about that?

 

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Jared Taylor: Oh, boy! I think certainly it’s a sign of a very degenerate society, when we pretend that men can become women and women can be become men, and men who pretend to be women can compete in women’s sports. All of this is just utterly absurd! As far as homosexuality is concerned, I don’t like open, proud, in your face homosexuality, but my suspicion is that most people who are homosexuals. They’re born that way. And I consider it. I would make an analogy between that and say, deafness. We don’t persecute deaf people, but we don’t celebrate the idea of deafness.

 

And I think homosexuality should certainly not be illegal. I think it is something that people have very little choice over. And I’ve known many homosexuals who have been smart and racially aware and who are wonderful contributors to our cause. But that, to me, what are the roots of this kind of the transgender problem, for example? I’m not sure that laws can really be brought to bear.

 

I mean, I suppose they could be, but this bespeaks a rot in our minds that goes beyond the legal. There is a kind of spiritual malaise, a moral malaise, a nihilism, celebration of this kind of women slicing off their breasts and trying to grow beards. This is anti-human. This is absurd and preposterous! And a society that thinks that these are somehow a persecuted group. This is a sign of a deeper, deeper malaise that goes perhaps beyond even the limits of this conversation.

 

Frodi Midjord: Greg, do you want to comment on that?

 

Greg Johnson: I do think the transgender phenomenon is horrific and nightmarish and dystopian. I do think that it can be stopped legally.

 

First of all, it should not be done to children. I think that that is something that could be simply outlawed. I think that a lot of its driven by Munchausen, by proxy, crazed mothers. And the idea that these children are autonomously choosing to go down this path is ludicrous! If they’re not old enough to consent to sex, they’re not old enough to consent to sex change operations. And pills, that should be illegal. Doctors who should simply be prohibited from allowing that, from encouraging that at the cost of losing their license to practice medicine. I think these hormones should be as illegal as fentanyl. And fentanyl should be more illegal than it already is. As for treating this with surgery and hormones for adults, well, they’re consenting adults, but this is being packaged as a mental health issue.

 

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And yet within the canons of mental health provision, I can’t think of a single example, aside from transsexualism, where a solution that still eventuates in 40% of the people who suffer it killing themselves is considered a legitimate treatment for a mental problem. It’s utterly ludicrous!

 

So I think that packaging this as a treatment for mental illness is very foolish, because, honestly, it’s not a very good treatment at all! There might be other treatments.

 

In fact, I remember years ago, I think this was 2015 now. Reading something about a trial study that was done in Australia, I believe, giving people with body dysmorphia a certain kind of antidepressant, and that this caused them to lose their mania to transform themselves.

 

A large number of the people who go in for this, especially women, are the rarest of birds, female autists. We need to explore all the psychological predispositions that allow people to be gaslighted into this hideous self mutilation and try and try and treat it at that level. Just as we don’t crucify everybody who thinks he’s Jesus and crown everybody who thinks he’s Napoleon, we should not basically surgically butcher and hormonally alter people who think they belong to the opposite sex.

 

Now, as for the homosexuality thing, I think it should be kept legal. But I do think that, if anything. But let’s just be honest here. Homosexuality isn’t a significant contributor to low birth rates.

 

If you want to look at laws that contribute to low White fertility and change them, why not make divorce more difficult to get? Why not get rid of “no fault divorce”?

 

Another thing that I absolutely support is strengthening the bonds of marriage by criminalizing the “alienation of affections”, they call it. Basically trying to seduce a married partner away from a marriage and a family. That used to be criminal in most states in America, I think it’s still criminal in nine states, but I doubt it’s ever enforced. We should criminalize adultery and alienation of affections and strengthen the marriage bond.

 

Those are laws that I think would help increase White birth rates and secure White families, because let’s be very honest here, it’s selfish, straight people who are not having the kids, and they’re the vast majority.

 

Jared Taylor: All right. Gentlemen, I’m sorry to say that the time that I had set aside for this conversation, which we hadn’t specified.

 

Frodi Midjord: We hadn’t specified. Yes. My fault.

 

Jared Taylor: Has pretty much expired. I can stay on for perhaps another five minutes, but may I be permitted to leave at the end of this five minutes?

 

Frodi Midjord: Absolutely, Jared. I still have some questions left. I’m going to read them just because the people have sent donations, sent money, and sent these questions. But before you leave, would you please, if you have any final remarks, any final comments that you want to sort of wrap up a bowtie around your position, and then please plug the upcoming Amren, whatever else information you can give us about that.

 

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Jared Taylor: Well, I would like once again to express my great admiration for both of you.

 

And I think both of you are wonderful comrades in this struggle. And it is one of the great pleasures and honors of being an open dissident that we can call each other friends and comrades. This is one of the enormous rewards that most people don’t realize is in store for the them if they tear off a fig leaf, come out of the closet and become an open advocate for our people.

 

So thank you very much for having me on this program, and thank you very much, Greg Johnson, for agreeing to take part and writing the essay that you did based on my video.

 

As far as the final question of how we are to regain control of our destiny. That will take many forms in different countries.

 

And again, I am more optimistic about Europe. I think the United States, we will have to settle for less than the whole country. But that does not for one moment mean that we should give up! I can understand people thinking that:

 

“My gosh, this is a black pill. I might as well go out and sun myself!”

 

No, not by any means!

 

And although we are still an underground movement, so to speak, or on the web movement, our ideas are circulating and percolating and influencing people like never before.

 

So despite the dark tone of that video that I gave that started this discussion, I’ve never been more optimistic. And that is the honest truth. As I say, wherever I go, I meet so many people. So many people! The world doesn’t know about them. The press doesn’t know about them. Only the SPLC, in its feverish imagination, imagines them. But all of these people working together, I believe, will create something. We cannot yet define its contours, but we will create something worthy of our ancestors. I am firmly convinced of that.

 

Frodi Midjord: Thank you for that. Jared, do you want to give us any information about the upcoming Amren Conference?

 

Jared Taylor: Well, yes, it is being advertised now on our website, Amren.com.

 

And in addition to Martin Sellner, we are going to have a number of very exciting guests. One is a guest from Africa. I think that will be, his identity must be kept secret for the time being. We will also have Guido Tayeti. I believe you all know him. That will be the first time that we’ve ever had a CasaPound spokesman at the conference, of course, Sam Dixon, our regular closer. I will speak. Gregory Hood will speak. There’ll be a number of others. And we’re still working on getting more exciting people.

 

But so I will engage in shameless promotion of our conference and invite all of you to go to the website and register while you can still get a room at the Montgomery Bell State Park so that you can stay on site throughout the entire conference. But I really must get off. And I beg your pardon if I am leaving earlier than I should have. And thank you so much for organizing this.

 

And again, please accept my admiration, both of you, for all the wonderful work you’ve done for so many years.

 

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Frodi Midjord: Thank you so much, Jared. No, it’s entirely my fault. I didn’t specify a timeframe. We just got so many questions.

 

So I’ll just stay on at least, and Greg can join me. But thank you so much, Jared.

 

Jared Taylor: Thank you so much!

 

Frodi Midjord: Thank you so much, Jared.

 

All right, very good. So, Greg, do you want to stay with me? And, …

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah. I’d love to.

 

And, folks, if you have questions, send them, wrap a Superchat around them, and I’m happy to stay here and until they’re all answered.

 

Frodi Midjord: All right, very good.

 

So let’s continue. My Row House sends another for $5, says:

 

“The Republican Party is hopeless. To both guests as White interest party., …”

 

Okay, there’s a question. So:

 

“Is the Republican Party hopeless to both guests as a White interest party going forward? What are your views on Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh?”

 

Okay, we’ll just sort of abbreviate this question a little bit, but let’s just comment on the Republican Party. Greg, what are your thoughts, just briefly, about the Republican Party as a White interest party, or a proxy for a White interest party, I guess.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, the Republican Party is a very sinister institution because, of course, they grift off of White interests. They take White votes for granted. They are playing patty cake with White concerns about demographic decline. And yet we see what their real interests are. Certainly since October 7, they’ve been falling all over one another, competing to be the most slavish enablers of Israel’s genocide in Gaza! They’re willing to shred the Constitution. They’re willing to go to any length to serve foreign interests. That’s just the scum that has risen to the top of the Republican Party. And it’s sad.

 

Can the Republican Party change? Yes, it’s changing for the better. It’s becoming more nationalist and populist.

 

However, as long as this idiot dogma that White Identity Politics is per se immoral, stays in place, the Republican Party will not be very effective vehicle for White interests. It can help us, but only by accident, only kicking and screaming. Only after they’ve exhausted all the possible options for pandering to other groups will they do anything that helps White people.

 

We shouldn’t have any faith in them doing the right thing for the right reasons. Sometimes they do the right thing for the wrong reasons, though, and they can be more relied upon to do that than the Democrats.

 

[1:45:09]

 

But we need to thoroughly debug and delouse the Republican Party and the mind of the average Republican voter, if they’re going to end up being White advocates. That’s not impossible. It’s simply improbable. It’s a huge amount of work, but we’re chipping away and making progress.

 

And when we see people like Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk saying things that are friendly to White interests, that’s a sign that we are effective, I think, in chipping away this dogma. And eventually it will break down. Eventually people will be comfortable saying, not just saying:

 

“That’s anti-White!”

 

But:

 

“We need to do some favors for our White voters!”

 

Eventually that’s going to happen. How that happens is an interesting question. I think the most important thing that racially conscious White people could do is form a kind of White N AA CP or ADL, specifically a kind of lobbying or pressure group. But to do that, we need to have data and money. We need to have money to organize anything, and we need to have the data to know where we can concentrate our efforts. We need to know what states and what Congressional districts have enough race conscious White people who would be willing to vote on that one issue to the extent that they would be willing, they could be able to tank any Republican career.

 

And that’s the only way that we can discipline the current crop of Republicans. Like dogs, we have to roll up a newspaper and swat them occasionally, because they’ll never do the right thing for the right reasons. Not yet, but eventually, I hope they will.

 

So, yeah, we need to become an organized, deadly, politically deadly, you know, “curtains for their careers”, pressure group, just like the jewish lobby and the black lobby and the Hispanic lobby are. We’re not there yet, but it’s conceivable.

 

And one of the things that the Homeland Institute has been doing is taking steps to do that kind of empirical research on our own, asking our own questions to gain an understanding of the White electorate, the minds of White America.

 

Frodi Midjord: All right, Greg, let me see. What are some of the other questions that have come in. Joao Scudo sends $3:

 

“I don’t see a future for Whites as long as Christianity is our religion. We need an ideology and matching religion of ethnocentrism, biological realism, eugenics, and natural order. Cosmotheist church.”

 

I don’t know if that’s a realistic way forward either. And I don’t know for a fact that Whites have a Christianity as their religion anymore either.

 

So that’s sort of a different topic almost. So let’s move on from that question. But thank you so much!

 

Unknown Californian sends $10. He says:

 

“Would Jared be open to having Joel Davis visit him? I think Joel’s youthful exuberance may lift his spirit.”

 

Well, Jared is not here anymore. K. Max McDonald sends $100:

 

“In Jared Taylor’s view, the biggest flaw was not saying why White civilization flourished while many others did not. The Left filled in with racism, slavery, and colonization. Instead, foreigners will explain White societies have law and order, social trust, and freedom to think outside the box. Jared and Greg, did we fail to explain why Whites flourished?”

 

Greg, do you want to comment on that?

 

[1:49:04]

 

Greg Johnson: I don’t think we failed to explain why Whites have flourished. I think that there have been a number of very important studies that have come out of our movement. I’m looking across my office here. I’m looking at some books by Richard Lynn, IQ and Global Inequality, Race Differences, Intelligence, The Global Bell Curve. I’m looking at Philippe Rushton’s Race, Evolution and Behavior.

 

There’s a wonderful book by Michael Levin, Why Race Matters. All of these books bring to bear the human biological diversity argument for showing why White people flourish.

 

Now, there are other cultural elements to that as well.

 

But one of the things that I learned, and I learned this while proofreading Richard Lynn, actually for the National Policy Institute, Washington Summit Publishers. When it was being run by Louis Andrews, The Global Bell Curve was a book that I worked on. And what’s remarkable about it is that Lynn understood that obviously you can’t reduce all social outcomes to IQ. But IQ is so powerfully predictive that you can act as if it’s the only factor! Which I thought was remarkable. So IQ is very, very powerful, but other cultural things are powerful as well. We have certain highly functional cultural traditions.

 

I also think that the last book that Kevin MacDonald published on Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition has a lot that explains why White societies are highly functional.

 

So I think we’ve done a good job at getting to the biological underpinnings of White success. I think we can talk more about White traditions and how those have been highly advantageous as well. So we haven’t, we haven’t fallen down on that. We just need to get the word out more. It’s always just a matter of getting the word out to more and more people.

 

Frodi Midjord: Yeah, I think there are many, many books or many studies, many advanced, even academic books written about this topic of why White society flourished. I think Kevin MacDonald’s book Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition is a fantastic book in that regard, which explains a lot of the qualities in White society, European society, that makes it very different from other societies. And it’s not just IQ, it’s many different., … A human being is a very complex being, many different facets which make us into the beings that we are. And it’s not just IQ.

 

All right. Friedrich sends $50:

 

“Greetings, a small token of appreciation. All the best.”

 

Well, thank you so much for that. Very generous. Archie sends $10. Says:

 

“Reddit says East Indians are complaining that Canada is too expensive to live in, so some are returning to India. If the US dollar loses status as the world reserve currency, do you think the US will have tough enough times so that many polyglot immigrants will return home for the cost of living?”

 

Do you think the economy tanking, Greg, will cause people to actually start reversing these migration trends that we’ve seen over the last few decades?

 

[1:52:40]

 

 

Greg Johnson: Yes, I think that that would definitely happen. If there are no jobs to be found and if people who are already on the ground are needing unemployment and insurance and welfare and other programs, the incentives sucking people into the country are going to disappear.

 

So, yeah, I think that an economic downturn would be helpful, just like Covid was helpful, frankly, in slowing down immigration.

 

Of course, it’s gone into complete insane overdrive since then. Anything that basically stresses the system, economically speaking, is actually good for slowing down the Great Replacement, and therefore let the bad times roll.

 

Frodi Midjord: Right, right, yeah, no, I think so, too. I think that there’s sort of less of an incentive to move to Western countries when it becomes increasingly difficult to survive there because of an extremely high cost of living in all Western countries these days, to be honest.

 

Okay, next question. K. Max McDonald says $25. Again, another very generous thank you. Says:

 

“If rich jews get affected, does policy change? Billionaire Israel supporters see a non-White America as not nearly as supportive of Israel. Can these types be persuaded to Jared Taylor or Greg Johnson’s view? Does the billionaire and millionaire class see these changes? Could you gain their sympathy over Israel from them?”

 

This is something that I’ve been stressing ever since, especially since the war in Israel started in October, that the demographic change throughout the West, but especially in America, of course, will change American attitudes towards Israel. Because as White people are no longer a majority, then, you know, jews and Israel will lose their friends in America because the black people, Asians, Hispanics, people all over the place, they have no interest in giving any special favors to jews. And they’re not guilt tripped by anything that happened to jews in history either.

 

So I definitely think that, yeah, these demographic changes will change how Western societies to look upon Israel. What do you think about that, Greg?

 

Greg Johnson: I completely agree. It might reduce some of the jewish headwinds against White identitarianism. And that’s a good thing. Again, we win by having more people on our side and fewer people fighting against us. We win by having more intensity and activism on our side and less intensity and activism on the other side. And splitting the jewish community over issues like this splits the main block that stands in the way of rectifying our problems. And therefore, that’s a good thing.

 

[1:55:43]

 

And this is why I think that Jared’s approach to this is a valid strategy. It’s valid to want to split the enemy camp. And it’s good, therefore, that Jared is somebody within the White identitarian sphere who’s open to working with jews, because that allows that split to become a real thing. If everyone were like me, that split wouldn’t be taking place.

 

So I do think that does reduce some of the resistance against us. I think the aftermath of October 7 is an enormous opportunity for us. It’s because primarily jewish behavior is so heinous right now and so overwrought. And their domination of our political system is so obvious that this is very educational. But there is also the fact that some jews are reducing their emphasis on pushing for White displacement. And I think that’s helpful.

 

I don’t think they’re ever going to obviously want to put White Identity and interests first. I wouldn’t expect them to do that. I couldn’t ask them to do that.

 

But I think that if they realize that by putting their own interests first, they need to lay off White people a bit, that helps us.

 

So it’s a good thing.

 

Frodi Midjord: Absolutely! All right.

 

And then we have another one from K Max McDonald, $5. It says:

 

“What is Jared Taylor or Greg Johnson’s black or non-White equivalent? Neither of you are an Al Sharpton, so you have a non-White equivalent. Would you like to be more what the ADL is for jews?”

 

Yeah. So I guess there are differences for advocates for different peoples. I mean, of course, jews have one structure, and I guess Mexicans have another and so on in America. Blacks, of course, have another. Al Sharpton being an example of that. I guess this wasn’t really much of a question, so I don’t think there’s much too much to say about it. You want to comment on that, Greg, at all?

 

Greg Johnson: No, I think you’ve adequately commented on it.

 

Frodi Midjord: All right. 617 Squadrons Dog $5 says:

 

“Greg is being more optimistic than realistic here. Even if the things he says come to pass, then it won’t be in a continent wide USA. In that sense, he fundamentally agrees with what Jared is saying. He just thinks it’s bad optics. Could he clarify?”

 

So, Greg, let me rephrase with the question. How about I put it like this? Are you saying what you’re saying because you think it’s useful or because you think it’s true?

 

Greg Johnson: I’m saying what I’m saying because I think it’s. Well, the question is, what is the status of truth when you’re talking about the future?

 

Frodi Midjord: Right?

 

[1:59:03]

 

Greg Johnson: Right. We’re talking about future contingencies. We can say with absolute certainty that certain things about the future, namely that someday America will come to an end, because everything comes to an end. Can we say with equal certainty that America will never be a homeland for White people before it comes to an end? I can’t! I don’t think so. I think that’s at least possible.

 

So my view is this. I think it’s true that we don’t know. Okay. I think it’s true that we don’t know. I think that from a practical point of view, and this is not optics we’re talking about, it’s pragmatics. From a practical point of view, what we need to do to get any outcome that’s favorable for White people in North America is to make the same arguments and to organize to create ourselves into a community that’s formidable and that can throw its weight into social change and actually change the world. And to convince more people that we’re right and bring more people on board. To convince other people that they shouldn’t oppose us, even if they can’t get enthusiastic about us. No matter what the outcome is, whether it’s one White state in North America or two or many, we have to make all the same arguments and do all the same things.

 

So I think that we should just move forward. And we should recognize, though, that we don’t know, but that all options are on the table.

 

However, if there’s another pragmatic argument that I think needs to be made, and that is that you should always shoot for the best, because reality being what it is, you’re going to end up settling for less anyway because there are other forces in this world. So why not shoot for a restored White America? Knowing that you’re probably going to have to settle for something less, it certainly doesn’t make any sense to just say:

 

“Well, well, we’re going to settle for half the continent.”

 

Because then somebody will say:

 

“Well, why not settle for a quarter of it, right?”

 

I remember years ago, Tom Metzger responded to the idea that California be given to the Mexicans by saying:

 

“No, actually, we should seize Baja California and ethnically cleanse it of Mexicans and settle it with White people. It’s got beautiful beaches, lovely weather.”

 

That’s like:

 

“Oh, yeah, I see the point.”

 

You know, he’s basically saying:

 

“This is what we’d like to do, but we’ll settle for just California in the end.”

 

Right? You got to raise the stakes. You raise your sights because, you know, that you’re going to always fall short. It’s just basic archery. If you want to hit the target, you aim a little bit above the bullseye because, you know, that gravity is going to bring your arrow down anyway.

 

So I think that’s the way to go about it.

 

[2:02:18]

 

Another thing that I do think verges on an optics argument simply has to do with what I said about openly disdaining or rejecting America’s history and symbolism and stuff like that it’s foolish to do that because most people are superficial and they’ll fight for superficial things, but they won’t fight over deep things. We want deep things anyway. We want to restore America to being a White nation. We don’t have to declare war on the flag or anything like that, because the people who would fight us over the flag, there are more of those than there are people who would fight us over changing the population. How do I know this? Because it’s already that way today.

 

There are White Americans who are fiercely patriotic and accepting the Great Replacement because they’re so intimidated by political correctness, I think, and hope that maybe it’ll work out. But that’s an optics argument.

 

But the position I hold is that I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I’m fairly confident that White people will have a future in North America. And whatever the outcome, we need to do the same things in the here and now to get there, and we might as well aim big, because we know that we’ll end up accepting less.

 

I remember years ago I had a conversation with Sam Francis. We were talking about this issue of partitioning the country or taking it all back. And there was a discussion of partition that sort of assumed that there’d be a cabal of people in a dark room with, you know, smoking cigars and looking at a map and drawing lines. And I said to him:

 

“You know, if we had the power to partition the country that way, we’d have the power to keep it all for ourselves.”

 

And he just got this wry smile on his face, because that’s exactly how he thought. If we had the power to partition, we would have the power to take it all.

 

Now, maybe we wouldn’t avail ourselves of that power because of our “squeamishness”, but it would be a matter of will, not possibility.

 

Now, other ways that secession could happen that wouldn’t require the power to keep everything would be a collapse scenario, or a separatist war or something like that. But the way that some people envision partitioning the country, they’re envisioning plenary power. And if you’ve got the amount of power you need to partition the country, you’ve got the amount of power you need to just keep it all for yourself.

 

Frodi Midjord: Right. Yeah, sort of like when you go into negotiation, you always want to ask for more than you expect to end up getting. And because that’s the nature of negotiations. You want to start from a point of strength. Okay, let’s move on to the next question. Unknown Californian sends $10. Thank you so much! He says:

 

“I like what Greg said about reaching our youth. Do you support propaganda like Murdoch Murdoch and Mr Bond, who seemed to have great appeal with the youth and break taboos about race. I always loved seeing Jared in Murdoch videos. As well as Doctor William Luther Pierce, who wasn’t afraid to flex.”

 

[2:05:54]

 

I guess there is a sense of, … I mean, I’ve talked a lot about the sort of the Jerry Springer Right, and like all these kinds of jokey things, but there is a sense in which even vulgar exaggeration appeals to the youth. And there’s some element of that and that kind of things, like Murdoch. Murdoch, although that’s not nearly as bad, quote, unquote, “bad” as many other thing.

 

So, yeah, there is a sense in which you have to sort of be pretty radical in breaking taboos when you want to appeal to the youth. Do you want to say anything about this, Greg?

 

Greg Johnson: Years ago. It was in 2000. 2001, actually, September of 2001, not long after the Twin Towers came down. I was in Paris with Gordon Baum, who was the president of the Council of Conservative Citizens. And we were talking, and I was there with a number of other people, but Gordon was there. And Gordon said to me, he said:

 

“Greg, you gotta get it down where the chickens can get at it!”

 

I always [chuckling] thought that was hilarious! Meaning the chickens are down on the ground. You got to get the message down to the chickens.

 

And I agree with that. I agree with that.

 

And that means that we have to have propaganda for all. All types of people. I’m not especially hip or cool or tuned into the vibes of the youth, so I’m leaving that to people who are more plugged in and competent.

 

But, yeah, we got to get it down where the chickens can get at it and everybody else who’s White. Every White constituency needs a channel, or a platform broadcasting, tailor made, bespoke, White Identity messaging to them. Even bronies, if those still exist.

 

Frodi Midjord: [chuckling] All right, Hinchfoot sends $20:

 

“Tip for the lovely stream.”

 

Thank you so much for that.

 

And then we have a bunch of questions that have come in with these one or 0.1 Odysee tokens, which I left for last. [chuckling] Just if we have time, I’m just going to look through them, see if there’s any interesting one that we should read. Okay. Not really:

 

“What does Greg, Jared, and Frodi make of the Auslander Raus phenomenon in Germany? Is it likely for such sentiments to go viral in the US, too?”

 

Greg Johnson: I love it.

 

Frodi Midjord: Yeah, it’s a fun meme, and it obviously works. You know, people find it encouraging:

 

“What does Greg and Jared think of the role of Israel will be in the relation to both the 2024 election and the American demographic destiny going forward?”

 

Do you think the sympathies for Israel will influence the 2024 election? I expect that Trump is going to be more pro-Israel than Biden.

 

[1:09:08]

 

Greg Johnson: Oh, well, no, I think Trump’s foreign policy has now been bought by pro-Israel donors!

 

I mean, that’s obvious. But I don’t expect Trump to make any progress in that area. I only expect him to slow down the invasion on the southern border.

 

Frodi Midjord: Right.

 

Greg Johnson: And that’s enough.

 

Frodi Midjord: Right, right:

 

“On balance, does Greg, Jared, and Frodi feel Europe is more important than America to preserve as a White space?”

 

Well, more important than more important. It’s not really about importance, but I think it’s much more likely in Europe, because I find that it’s impossible. It’s impossible to get Americans to., … It’s almost impossible to get Americans to abandon their sort of somewhat libertarian axioms in their thinking with this extremely sort of individualist and capitalist thinking. And I don’t think that works. Europeans think more naturally, just as a nation. That’s why I’m more enthusiastic or more optimistic about Europe and of course, because the mass immigration started much later and so on.

 

But generally speaking, there’s a difference in mentality, which I think makes it more difficult to deal with these issues in America. Do you want to, what are your thoughts on that, Greg?

 

Greg Johnson: I completely agree.

 

Frodi Midjord: Okay. Yeah, I think those were all the questions. Let me see just one last time, if there’s anything else. I think we answered all the real Superchats and then we had a bunch of other, these Odysee Superchats, but I think we answered everything. And we’ve been going now for 2 hours and 10, 15 minutes.

 

So let’s just wrap it up here. Greg, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciated it. If you have any final words, any final comments you want to say, you feel free to do. So but I very much appreciated you doing this conversation with Jared.

 

Greg Johnson: Well, thank you for having me on. I very much enjoyed it. As for calling it a debate, well, I think that was a clever way of getting people to tune in.

 

Frodi Midjord: But [word unclear] discussion is better.

 

Greg Johnson: Yeah.

 

The truth is, Jared and I don’t really disagree on a lot of things, as became clear in the course of this discussion. So who won the debate? Well, we all won! Because it’s a good. It’s just a good opportunity to have an important conversation like this. And I think we all win by doing that.

 

And we win by showing the world what clever, sensible people we are and how we have a vision that’s better than the, than the absolute slop and nihilism that’s being sold by the establishment.

 

Frodi Midjord: Yeah.

 

[2:12:08]

 

Greg Johnson: So I think this was a really good conversation. And I always enjoy talking, talking to you. Always enjoy talking to Jared.

 

Do I have any other things to say? No, not really. I would just say, follow Counter-Currents. Go to Counter-Currents.com. On Tuesday, we are celebrating our 14th anniversary of going online. We’ve been around for 20 years less than Jared. He’s been around 34 years. We’ve been around years. And I’m very excited about the next 14 years. So there’s so much to read at Counter-Currents. There’s new material every week, multiple things every day.

 

And of course, our own live streams.

 

So, yeah, tune into Counter-Currents if you’re not already following it, and we’ll just see how we’re going to see, … It’s not a question of will we win, it’s a question of how we’re going to win! And I hope to live to see it. I’m feeling more and more optimistic that there’s going to be an end to the current system within my lifetime.

 

Frodi Midjord: Shamboliks actually sent a final Superchat here, which I want to read. $25. Thank you so much! He says:

 

“How closely is Europe watching the American experiment? If multiculturalism succeeds in America, they will follow suit. If it fails, they may heed a lesson. Thoughts? Question mark?”

 

Yes, Europe is watching America closely. I think that there was a period when America had a greater gravitational pull. If we talk about the culture of America had a greater gravitational pull where people wanted to be like America. I think that gravitational pull is now weaker because when America is known for things like the BLM riots and so on, that becomes weaker. That’s less of a role model.

 

So I think that Europeans are probably less and less imitating America.

 

But now the differences also are weakened because of the global world and the Metaverse and the online world. So we all sort of live in one society now to a greater extent than we ever did before, because we consume the exact same things.

 

I mean, we have probably a good split between Europeans and Americans in the audience to this very stream that we’re talking on.

 

So I do think that Europeans are watching what’s happening in America. And are they heeding the lesson? I don’t really know, but I do think that the American cultural hegemony is possibly getting a little bit weaker. What are your thoughts thoughts, Greg? I think you may be muted or gone.

 

Greg Johnson: I basically agree with everything you said on that. I do think. Yeah. Oh, can you not hear me?

 

Frodi Midjord: Yes, yes, yes.

 

Greg Johnson: Okay. I basically agree with everything you said. I do think America’s cultural hegemony is very powerful, but it’s political credibility is severely declining. You cannot say that the country that went through the BLM riots is a model that European countries really want to emulate. And in Eastern, Central Europe, places like Hungary and Poland, they look at this and they say:

 

“This is not a model that we want to follow and we want out.”

 

Of course, the Western European elites are thoroughly Americanized and thoroughly corrupt. They just need to be circulated out. They need to be overthrown and replaced with better people. I think that’s more likely to happen in Europe than it is in the United States.

 

[2:16:06]

 

Frodi Midjord: All right. Thank you so much, Greg. This was great. And if anyone is watching this still at this late hour in the conversation, if you want to support the channel, help us do more of these shows and just keep the channel going, you can go to the website, gtkradio.com dot, there’s a donate page and you’ll find all the information.

 

If you want to send crypto, for example, or cash to the PO box or anything like that, you’ll find the information on the donate page.

 

So thank you so much! This has been great. I want to thank, of course, Greg and Jared, but a very special thanks also to Reed Johnson, our moderator, who’s kept the order, and also, of course, Gadius and Willem and others who’ve helped out in the chat. We’ve had a lot of people, four or 500 people, or more than 500 people watching at the most.

 

And so we’ve had a lot of activity in the chat, but it’s been great.

 

And, of course, a very special thanks to everyone who sent donations and Superchats to give us these good questions to talk about.

 

So thank you so much for watching.

 

I’ll be back on Tuesday with Mark Weber for the weekly roundup. So Tuesday evening, you can hear me again.

 

Thank you so much for watching, folks, and good night.

 

[2:17:27]

 

 

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@BlackPigeonPilled
3 hours ago
Night all, 14

@BlackPigeonPilled
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@Myst0r
BLM wasn’t promoted by or , it’s leadership are mostly all

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Reddog
3 hours ago
Night all.

Archie
3 hours ago
Don’t make perfection the enemy of the good. 再见，拜拜 o7

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3 hours ago
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3 hours ago
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the woodlander
3 hours ago
see you all soon folks

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ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Mods o/

Archie
3 hours ago
When Lauren Chen is 65 years-old then how will she compare to Rae Dawn Chong?

Mystor
3 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled
incredulity is not an argument

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
Thanks folks. Till next time.

Reddog
3 hours ago
Great show. Top level guests.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
blmtifa are state sanctioned, notice they all but disappeared after biden

Wilhem Ivorsson
3 hours ago
Thank you again Greg!

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@gaddiusmaximus

Gaddius Maximus
3 hours ago

@ReedJohnson

@BlackPigeonPilled
3 hours ago

@Myst0r
the chicoms!

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@pathoftotality
same

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@gaddiusmaximus
Business as usual lol.

Archie
3 hours ago
The world is watching the multi-racial experiment. Most of my friends in China want to keep out savages. Don’t forget about the art display in Wuhan about the different kinds of animals.

Mystor
3 hours ago
BLM is a psyop by Kremlin & Beijing

Gaddius Maximus
3 hours ago
Good job chat. Except for a couple of weirdos

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
So long folks. I enjoyed this time that we spent together.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
Europe as murrica get plenty of dieversity every day now children being sliced up by kweenz

Reddog
3 hours ago

@Woodlader.4

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
Hail Victory!

Reddog
3 hours ago
Amren and Countercurrents are both awesome.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Hail Victory

Path of Totality
3 hours ago

@Reddog

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3 hours ago
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3 hours ago
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the woodlander
3 hours ago

@Reddog
can you post mine

Wilhem Ivorsson
3 hours ago
Thanks for the great discussion, Greg!

Archie
3 hours ago
I see the current trend is bad but I see that reversing demographics is possible just one policy and generation at a time.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
1⃣4⃣8⃣8⃣

@BlackPigeonPilled
3 hours ago
14

Reddog
3 hours ago
We all get a white wellbeing happy participation trophy.

Shambolix
3 hours ago
Happy 14

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
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the woodlander
3 hours ago
its a win for us… ill take that.

Lord Wah-Wah
3 hours ago
It just seems inconclusive.

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
Have a great Sunday everyone!

danzimmons
3 hours ago
ThX Fródi Greg Mister Charisma Taylor

Archie
3 hours ago
My stance hasn’t changed.

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
I enjoyed this talk.

Unknown Californian
3 hours ago
Have a great day, Greg!

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
great talk gentleman!

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@Shambolix
Thanks for your generous donation.

@DienekesGhost
3 hours ago
this was great! thank you guys!

danzimmons
3 hours ago
he’s allowed to pander to us

danzimmons
3 hours ago
the committee of 300

Shambolix
3 hours ago
$25.00
How closely is Europe watching the American experiment? If multiculturalism succeeds in America, they will follow suit. If it fails, they may heed a lesson. Thoughts?

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
:hundred_points:

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
Trump wanting to close the border is 14, but he’s not 88.

Reddog
3 hours ago
Once they don the kippah and face that wall they’re done. But Trump’s still by far the best option my opinion.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
it’s theater

danzimmons
3 hours ago
Trump is an actor. obviously

Mystor
3 hours ago
Anti-American = anti-White

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Trump is completely bought now

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
agreed, if you are pro white you are all right

danzimmons
3 hours ago
israel will be was real soon

Reddog
3 hours ago
So much censorship. Even on a pro white show. We are soooo forced to be gelded.

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
Angelo Plume on the new song Ausländer raus | Rebel Yell | Counter-Currents:
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Path of Totality
3 hours ago
Rodrigue

@Torwell
3 hours ago
^

the woodlander
3 hours ago
we should support all those pushing on our side…

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
The youth likes Olivia . can they be saved?

danzimmons
3 hours ago
the swastika is too

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
bronies ?

@Torwell
3 hours ago
Murdoch Murdoch is ageing like fine wine

Mystor
3 hours ago
The motivation behind antiwhitism is to weaken America to the point where it can be annihilated in a nuclear war. Wishing to break up the US is wishing for your own demise.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
i do the same with me grandchildren

Unknown Californian
3 hours ago
You’re cool, Greg!

Reddog
3 hours ago
Tim Murdoch does great work. Antiracist H* (mustache man) is hilarious too.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
revenge!

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
I try to slip in White Identity into my nieces and nephews Avery chance I get. but I have to walk a fine line with them.

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
White people won’t go extinct , but we will compromise our place in the world. I don’t want this.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
I think Greg did quite well in this debate and it ended up 50/50

the woodlander
3 hours ago

@Archie.Bunker
i have…lol

Archie
3 hours ago
Shoot for the stars…. Greg has read “Art of the Deal.”

Path of Totality
3 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
. Agreed.

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
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the woodlander
3 hours ago
shoot for the moon even if you miss, you end up in the stars….

Unknown Californian
3 hours ago
Tom is right!

Question for Mark
3 hours ago

@The
woodlander Yes but even situations that seem impossible can be overcome. Many battles in history are illustrative of this.

Reddog
3 hours ago
Most of the US is still woods and wilderness. We could build more towns and cities with entirely new and better forms of technology buttressed with a new racial consciousness and caring for our collective wellbeing.

Unknown Californian
3 hours ago
Mr. Bond and Murdoch Murdoch kick ass

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
maybe so

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
Murdoch Murdoch is great.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
it could happen in our lifetime

The Broiler House
3 hours ago
GJ is a dull plodder and a promoter of the experimental gene manipulation technology serum.

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
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danzimmons
3 hours ago
witnessing the end of orcish lgbtq power is what keeps me going

Wilhem Ivorsson
3 hours ago
Greg’s point here seems quite valid.

the woodlander
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
both sides have a valid point, but jarod is being realistic.

Reddog
3 hours ago
Most whites just need moral validation to admit they care about their collective wellbeing. Let’s give them that and the words and narratives to defend that.

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
Yes, always shoot for the best!

Wilhem Ivorsson
3 hours ago
If you give a mouse a cookie…

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
for he best

@BlackPigeonPilled
3 hours ago
unknown unknowns, Greg’s going Rumsfeld on us

Wilhem Ivorsson
3 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
Good frame.

the woodlander
3 hours ago
greg is talking possibilities, jared was talking probabilities

Question for Mark
3 hours ago
Sharpton was stabbed by a negus while walking in a parade black in the day.

Wilhem Ivorsson
3 hours ago
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Lampshade Denier
3 hours ago
Js are NOT our allies and never will be. They can’t even admit that Leo Frank was guilty…and today I mean.

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
Al Sharpton? lol He’s an idiot!

My Rowhouse
3 hours ago

@Reddog
very very true

Reddog
3 hours ago
…because most nonwhites see J’s as white.

Reddog
3 hours ago
As Antiwhiteism becomes more dominated by nonwhite antiwhites, Js will more and more become victims of their own Antiwhiteism.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
for sure

the woodlander
3 hours ago
theyre here for an easy life, leaching off our system, shut off the tap.

Wilhem Ivorsson
3 hours ago
That was a very good question.

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
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@Torwell
3 hours ago
The border was wide open throughout

@WingITprod
3 hours ago
End The FED!

Reddog
3 hours ago
J’s are dedicated to destroying any loyalty that isn’t to them.

@ScottishRose
3 hours ago

@CampsLindburgh
they hate us ’cause they ain’t us

@CampsLindburgh
3 hours ago
we’re better looking than the other races which causes them to seethe instead of innovating

danzimmons
3 hours ago
^

Lampshade Denier
3 hours ago

@Reddog
Js steal

danzimmons
3 hours ago
Hail Bob Whitaker

Reddog
3 hours ago
For the most part: Whites create, yellows copy and stagnate, everyone else degenerates. —Bob Whitaker

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
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danzimmons
3 hours ago
luvs you too

@WingITprod
3 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
:ok_hand: Bravo. Keep on it!

Miss
3 hours ago
so would Jared keep the js în any newly established white land?

Hinchfoot
3 hours ago
love you all

Gaddius Maximus
3 hours ago
Salute

@Hinchfoot

danzimmons
3 hours ago
try living in a blat run nation

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@Hinchfoot
Thanks for your loyal and consistent support.

the woodlander
3 hours ago

@WingITprod
ive attracted 1 or 2 and im not a Christian

Hinchfoot
3 hours ago
$20.00
tip for the lovely stream

Reddog
3 hours ago
We succeeded because it’s what we do. We are who and what we are.

Lord Wah-Wah
3 hours ago
Plus James Leo Herlihy…

danzimmons
3 hours ago
it could happen

@AutumnChicken
3 hours ago
the Js will never be our allies.

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
White civilization flourished because of the White Race, not because of anything else. !

danzimmons
3 hours ago
but if he keeps going he should reach our position in about another year lol

@WingITprod
3 hours ago
We won’t attract many women by shunning Christianity.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
im not saying Tucker is perfect.,., lol

@ScottishRose
3 hours ago
until they start assassinations like in mexico

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3 hours ago
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Roger Brooke Taney
3 hours ago
Gatekeeper Cucker Tardson said on a podcast his plan is to wait for someone who speaks up for White interests and tell that person to “f** off” because that’s a “Nazi idea” and “we have nothing in common just because we have the same skin tone”

danzimmons
3 hours ago
lol

Dusanko
3 hours ago
LOL

@WingITprod
3 hours ago

@horseconsoler
:laughing_1: :laughing_1: :laughing_1: :laughing_1:

@BlackPigeonPilled
3 hours ago
Join the woodlander initiative too

Lord Wah-Wah
3 hours ago
This kind of planning seems anachronistic.

the woodlander
3 hours ago
a strong white advocacy organisation, and build white communities…

@WingITprod
3 hours ago
United Caucasoids of Anerica!

Horse Consoler
3 hours ago
national association for the advancement of peckerwoods

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago
Follow Greg Johnson at Counter-Currents:
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@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@TheGoyimAreNoticing
Thanks for donating.

danzimmons
3 hours ago
Tucker has came a long way since covaids

Path of Totality
3 hours ago

@RowHouse
Yeah, he keeps going back and forth.

My Rowhouse
3 hours ago
Elon Musk to a lesser extent

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@thedesperatevoid
and the molestation of children

My Rowhouse
3 hours ago
Tucker Carlson too

@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
De-louse indeed

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@Michael57DE
and

@BlackPigeonPilled
Thank you for the kind words. Greatly appreciated.

@thedesperatevoid
3 hours ago
I respect GJ but he certainly has a blindspot when it comes to the mechanics of heterosexual relationships and having children

Path of Totality
3 hours ago
what are the parallels between the Republican Party, and the ruling parties during the decline of Ancient Rome?

Lord Wah-Wah
3 hours ago
Not really much of a debate to analyze. Just underlining of established perspectives.

@BlackPigeonPilled
3 hours ago

@Michael57DE
seconded

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
And thank you for joining us.

ThinRedLine
3 hours ago

@millennialwoes
I think it would be great if you jumped on

My Rowhouse
3 hours ago
Jim Goad and Zman and Greg did that post the Jared Taylor E Michael Jones debate

Millennial Woes
3 hours ago

@RowHouse
Ah…

danzimmons
3 hours ago
luv’s ya Woesy

Roger Brooke Taney
3 hours ago
US Republican Party is controlled by Judeo-Christians who obsess over the Israeli race but not the White race who make up 90% of their voter base.

@ReedJohnson
3 hours ago

@Carlota
Cheers. My pleasure to serve.

@Michael57DE
3 hours ago

@Carlota

@ReedJohnson
is a BEAST of a Moderator. Few, if any that are better.

My Rowhouse
3 hours ago

@millennialwoes
more if there was a post show or post debate analysis

danzimmons
4 hours ago
smol face

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
yes thanks to the Mods

Millennial Woes
4 hours ago

@RowHouse
I don’t think that would be appropriate. No need for me.

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
lol

danzimmons
4 hours ago
lol

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Charlie Cuck

ThinRedLine
4 hours agoAUSLÄNDER RAUS

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@RowHouse
seconded

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago

@millennialwoes
can you hop on the call?

danzimmons
4 hours agoAUSLÄNDER RAUS!!

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy:
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Reddog
4 hours ago
Amren!

@AutumnChicken
4 hours ago
Ozarkia is the only answer for a white ethnostate

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
Hopefully Greg can stay

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
I wanna go to the Amren conference

Wilhem Ivorsson
4 hours ago
Thank you again, Jared!

@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
Take care Jared!

danzimmons
4 hours ago
some say it’s not the j^w, i say every single one

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago
Ozarkia!! Do or Die! o/

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago

@HarryHoller
1 hour 40 minutes ago

Reddog
4 hours ago
Jared makes me proud to be hwhite.

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4

danzimmons
4 hours ago
1.5 hour’s

the woodlander
4 hours ago
we win

@Michael57DE
4 hours ago

@Blankeon
Valid point.

Lord Wah-Wah
4 hours ago
Optimism is cowardice.

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
how long ago did this debate begin?

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Casa pound that is interesting

the woodlander
4 hours ago

@HarryHoller
hour and 45 mins

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@Reddog
hwheres the hwhite hwhale?

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
damn. 90 minutes is too long, Frodi

@Michael57DE
4 hours ago

@TheGoyimAreNoticing
“Good termite” ROFLMAO!!! That’s rich!

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@ScottishRose
I agree

Indo-European
4 hours ago
if you’re going to encourage marriage you need to discourage fornication, whether natural or unnatural, as was the case in White societies until recently.

Mystor
4 hours ago
Being pro-White must not become associated with anti-Americanism. Because the death of America would mean the death of Whites having a future.

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
I thought this was a good debate. I like it when members of our community can disagree, and still get along. I wasn’t swayed either way. I’m still thinking about both points of view. I salute both Jared and Greg, and like them I dream of a White homeland too. I hope everyone has a great Sunday, and Hail Victory to us all!

danzimmons
4 hours ago
he just doesn’t constantly say )3w

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@TheGoyimAreNoticing
he did address that earlier, he acknowledged it but still subscribes to the meme of “not all, not all”

Blankeon
4 hours ago

@Michael57DE
True, but race mixing is objectively worse because you are adding to the ranks of the enemy.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
surely Jarrod knows

Horse Consoler
4 hours ago
l’amour toujours (jared taylor remix)

PiedmontFugitive
4 hours ago
One day there will be a statute of Jared Taylor.

Roger Brooke Taney
4 hours ago
Never settle for less.

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Secession

@ScottishRose
4 hours ago
LGBTQ should be illegal. how much poison is okay in your water supply?

danzimmons
4 hours ago
Mister Charisma Taylor

@Michael57DE
4 hours ago

@Blankeon
Both are forms of Race treason. One for mixing out our genes, the other for not propagating our genes.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Jared Taylor video | (Regarding end of America) What is Our Goal?
https://tinyurl.com/bdd6e266
Greg Johnson response to Jared Taylor video | Is America Doomed?
https://tinyurl.com/57drv8de
NEW video by Jared Taylor | Can the USA Again Be Our Home? Part I
https://tinyurl.com/2arsddrf

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Thank you Jared Taylor

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
Kameraden

Question for Mark
4 hours ago
Thank you Frodi, Jared & Greg!!!

danzimmons
4 hours ago
70 years

Wilhem Ivorsson
4 hours ago
Thank you, Jared for this great debate/conversation.

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
then general or Greg ones, do those later

Horse Consoler
4 hours ago
#freejaredtaylor

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
How long has this debate been going?

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
first

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago
what are the statistics of homosexual males adopting daughters?

@Michael57DE
4 hours ago
Jared, Stay!

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
ask the questions that are specifically for Jared

Gaddius Maximus
4 hours ago
Salute to Uncle Jared. A great warrior and living legend.

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
love you Taylor, you can do as you please

Reddog
4 hours ago
No you may not.

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
No Jared, you will not be dismissed. lol

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
10 more minutes

@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
Thanks Jared, you are great!

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
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@Michael57DE
4 hours ago

@Barnstormer
I’ve heard it said he is, but have never heard him admit it. I like what someone else in the thread said, a “Back in the closet” program. Don’t go “looking” for it in private bedrooms, but prosecute it (and the promotion of it) if it comes to light publically.

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
yeah Jared stay 10

danzimmons
4 hours ago
No Mister Taylor

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
BS. It’s poor straight white people who aren’t having children

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
read the 100 dollar entropy

Unknown Californian
4 hours ago
Don’t leave Jared!

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
$5.00
The Republican Party is hopeless to both guests as White interest Party going forward? Your view on how Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, and Matt Walsh have been talking lately?

Blankeon
4 hours ago
All these delusional Christians think homsexuality is worse than race mixing. That is the problem.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
“id rather be a women than take this anti White treatment” ~ weak ass thirsty mediocre “men”

Dusanko
4 hours ago
Make houses cheaper. People cannot make families if they live with their parents until their parents die.

Path of Totality
4 hours ago

@HarryHoller
Agreed

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Sodomy was criminal too

Carney Corner
4 hours ago
Homosexuality is a huge contributor to child sexual abuse.

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
criminalize circumscision

@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
No, it has to be illegal

Carney Corner
4 hours ago
White People Do Not Breed In Captivity.

Tom – tszymk77
4 hours ago
You may be permitted to leave, Jared.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
lol

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
to 10

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@RowHouse
Thanks again for donating.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
homosexual men are having many

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
5 more minutes

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
shoot

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
sassy greg

@Stereotype_Enjoyer
4 hours ago
It’s a contributor to all manner of other dgeneracy

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Homosexuality needs to get back into the shadows

the woodlander
4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede
im tired, i read that as antisemitic drugs…

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
we can’t legalize homosexuality out of the world

Tom – tszymk77
4 hours ago
Fake homosexuality contributes to lower birth rates.

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
political orphans, homeless in their own nations

Lord Wah-Wah
4 hours ago
Cough

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
We circumcize our son’s still

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
Don’t you think these “mental health issues” are a symptom of the society we have?

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
that

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@JusticeTaney
I have never heard of them

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
i expected hanging or firing squad but no they used the guillotine

Tom – tszymk77
4 hours ago
Stone quarries have a therapeutic effect on transvestites.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
make public hangings daily & public like in the gud ole day’s

Roger Brooke Taney
4 hours ago
Only good thing the Soviets did was persecute Russian Orthodox Christians who engaged in barbaric chopping off breasts/genitals to become eunuchs for Jesus well into 20th century, so-called «скопцы» “skoptsy”

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
yeah i was surprised too

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
gender dysnlrphia is a mental illness

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago

@Sonofaclown
isn’t Greg Johnson a homosexual? serious question. i have heard that

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@sneediumminer
fair, I just associate it with Jacobins

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Secession.

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
look it up

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
a particular german government

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
germany

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
these operations should be illegal for adults as well

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@sneediumminer
or

danzimmons
4 hours ago
it’s literally called a full spectrum dominance attack by the “elite”

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
capital punishment is a white tradition

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Join us LIVE — TUESDAYS, Weekly Roundup with Mark Weber: 12 noon Los Angeles / 3 p.m. New York /
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Path of Totality
4 hours ago

@Blankeon
agreed

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
if we arent willing to even posit the idea of capital punishment we’re just fucked

Blankeon
4 hours ago
Sex change operations go against the Hippocratic oath

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
they guillotines tens of thousands of people for crimes like that

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Losing license? They should be tried and sentenced to capital punishment

Carney Corner
4 hours ago
No homosexual has ever been a net positive for the movement.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
homosexuality is currently a fad, billions being spent on pushing it & race mixing, literally every tv show commercials adds

Reddog
4 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
Exactly.

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
the germans would use the guillotine on these exact doctors

History&Truth
4 hours ago
Its just allowed to take place in White countries.

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede
its crazy people are hoping for other solutions. it hard to realize that some will not make it out. US military officers are wondering if there will even be an election. they are begging millionaires for funding to fix this. lol. it is done folks

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
it should be illegal

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
i dont care if someone is old enough to consent

@WingITprod
4 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier
Sad. She needs educating.

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
This stream is also on DLive:
https://dlive.tv/GTK_Radio

Mystor
4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4
sounds like “surrender political decision-making centers to our enemies” movement

Harry Holler
4 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier
100%

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@Sonofaclown
absolutely

History&Truth
4 hours ago
Its antiwhite, not anti – human.

Reddog
4 hours ago
I believe most homosexuality is mental illness brought on by either brainwashing or molestation. Very few are natural born, I think.

Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago

@pathoftotality
Exactly. She’s a phony.

Carney Corner
4 hours ago
Homosexuality is a preference. There should be a “Back in the Closet” program.

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
End the inversion, ausländer raus

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Bullying has purpose that benefits society

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
Megyn Kelly is so pathetic. she pretends to be based, but she’s far from

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
lmao

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
man i cant even use jared exact words?

Tom – tszymk77
4 hours ago
Propaganda creates fake homosexuals.

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago

@Reddog
yes because the need for economic growth is a major driver behind emigration

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
propaganda creates homosexual prevelabce too

WrathofArminius684
4 hours ago
Well said as usual Mr Taylor.

the woodlander
4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede
its already started with the “return to the land” movement

Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago

@WingITprod
And Megyn Kelly is fine with mudsharks.

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
deaf people cant make the choice to stop being deaf

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Homos are queer because they were sexually abused

@WingITprod
4 hours ago
Makes men happy :smile_2:

Leroy Patterson
4 hours ago
please how is it possible to bear one tenth of a white child

@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
All public displays of degeneracy should be illegal, we can start there.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
in public ?’ not anywhere

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
birthrate needs to bounce back

Reddog
4 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine
That’s a very important point.

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
Yes 2.2 birthrate would be replacement at least

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
woman shut up and listen to me !

@WingITprod
4 hours ago
Megyn Kelly is telling women to give more sex to men

Tom – tszymk77
4 hours ago
No promotion of homosexuality in public.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
well the gud women do, the rest are lost so f^vk ‘em

Harry Holler
4 hours ago

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
hahahahahah

ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
usury is a major driver behind the need for continuous growth

A
4 hours ago
Iit’s “Lie back and think of England Jared”

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
Japan is trying hard to increase their birth rates

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago
Help this channel by hitting the icon for a like!

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
Make 90% white again

Reddog
4 hours ago
Securing the hearts and minds of our people and getting them to see themselves as a collective that they should care about and want to protect is the very first task. Everything else will follow.

danzimmons
4 hours ago
because they know better than yeet their familial lineage

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede
this is why they should be moving to ozarkia while that is possible

@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
Recite the 14 Greg

A
4 hours ago
It’s ‘Lie back and think of England” Jared….

danzimmons
4 hours ago
yeah plenty of White women fell for the propaganda, unfortunately, they will have to go live with their precious blat mens

@ReedJohnson
4 hours ago

@Michael57DE
Thanks for your support.

@Michael57DE
4 hours ago
$14.88
Hail Frodi, Hail Jared and Greg. Hail our Volk and Hail our Gods. What do each you think about RE-Criminalizing Sexual degeneracies like Homosexuality, Miscegenation, and Transgenderism as a means of boosting birth rates?

Dusanko
4 hours ago
We just need hot 80s bitches and birthrates will skyrocket.

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
unless you’re explicitly running a party

sneediumminer
4 hours ago
i have no idea why european political commentators wouldnt exclusively be anonymous

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Women’s Suffrage was the death knell in Western Civilization and a calculated move by our enemy, the Small Hats

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago

@HarryHoller
yes.. and i realize why also. that is why action and not ideas should be the order of the day

Lord Wah-Wah
4 hours ago
So JT wants to save American through Sex Magick…

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
It could be changed, in a breakaway Republic, but never with 80m POC’s

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled
I definitely would be fine with 1 more hour or 2

Lord Wah-Wah
4 hours ago
This sounds like an address to the National Council on Hand-Waving…

@CountryMouse
4 hours ago
exactly

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
populations do ebb and flow. Greg’s right about that.

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago

@Dusanko
publicly shame any racetraitor you meet

@WingITprod
4 hours ago

@Dusanko
big hair and shoulder pads? Dunno.

Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago

@ItWasMadeUp
They go to prison for being White.

Harry Holler
4 hours ago
Secession is the only path forward

@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
Euro streamers get locked up for using words that are quite benign in the US.

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago

@RowHouse
I was hoping for another 3 hours

The Fourteen Words Podcast
4 hours ago

@millennialwoes
Click my name Woes. peep my channel plz. Would love to chat with you on a Milleniyule someday perhaps.

Roger Brooke Taney
4 hours ago
The birthrate thing has always been cyclical. Like there were baby booms after large losses of population after wars or famines or plagues, then natural fall in birthrates, then rise again, etc.

Path of Totality
4 hours ago
that’s why so many White girls say “we don’t need White men”, because they’re brainwashed

@Barnstormer
4 hours ago
we still are lacking the revolutionary spirit.

My Rowhouse
4 hours ago
1 hour 25 minutes in, so 30 more minutes maybe 35 I hope

Harry Holler
4 hours ago

@Barnstormer
it’s censored by the host, not Odysee

danzimmons
4 hours ago
homeschooling is a must

@BlackPigeonPilled
4 hours ago
Does Frodi recommend Svalbard as a white “hold-out”? My Rowhouse 4 hours ago hopefully both of these guys can go the full 2 hours

@NASA 4 hours ago Maybe work part-time while your kids are in school. Or better yet, homeschool. @Barnstormer 4 hours ago

@HarryHoller yes, and conditions will only become worse ThinRedLine 4 hours ago good point about college, Greg Harry Holler 4 hours ago This.chat is censored AF Inkstone 4 hours ago Thanks, guys. Take care. sneediumminer 4 hours ago 120 million Harry Holler 4 hours ago because Js control the media.and we have 90m POC’s

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago @millennialwoes not so much i think. this should not be a debate, but an instruction to all white nationalists: get up and get with your brothers in the Arkansas/Missouri region before it is too late.

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago @inkstone Most likely, yes sneediumminer 4 hours ago you dont have to convince women to do anything just like you dont have to convince nons to leave danzimmons 4 hours ago i believe so Inkstone 4 hours ago Time to cook dinner. Will this interview be up for free on the channel?

@WingITprod 4 hours ago good luck with convincing WOMEN to give anything up :laughing_1: :laughing_1: :laughing_1: :laughing_1:

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk

@CountryMouse 4 hours ago 100% sneediumminer 4 hours ago or brazil Millennial Woes 4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 Hi. sneediumminer 4 hours ago best case scenario for post bankruptcy USA is like argentina danzimmons 4 hours ago Woesy!! sneediumminer 4 hours ago too many nons

@NASA 4 hours ago Not having to pay for daycare and babysitters offsets not having a job sometimes sneediumminer 4 hours ago when the USA goes bankrupt its not coming back

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@millennialwoes Evening mate Path of Totality 4 hours ago women should work in more feminine vocations Millennial Woes 4 hours ago

@gaddiusmaximus Hey. Mystor 4 hours ago @sneediumminer The US is what keeps Europe from turning into a little Soviet Union Chulip 4 hours ago Yep, females should not be prosecutors for example

@WingITprod 4 hours ago No women in the INFANTRY sneediumminer 4 hours ago also some european countries have ICBMs My Awesome Channel 4 hours ago real ThinRedLine 4 hours ago

@Letwrong 100 % Millennial Woes 4 hours ago

@Dusanko But three great people on the screen! Lampshade Denier 4 hours ago

@Barnstormer Not Western Europe. sneediumminer 4 hours ago if europe had the will they could rearm Path of Totality 4 hours ago agree with Greg 100% on this ThinRedLine 4 hours ago Hail woes

@Letwrong 4 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine It’s a small, rootless, international clique that’s turning the people against each other the woodlander 4 hours ago

@millennialwoes evening woes The Fourteen Words Podcast 4 hours ago Yeah great guests today. Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago Everything works better and problems are solved much more readily in this World of the Imagination. Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago US government going bankrupt would be a disaster now since most of Europe has disarmed their own armed forces since the Cold War Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago Hey woes

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Follow Millennial Woes: https://linktr.ee/millennialwoes Jamesh808 4 hours ago @NASA Dusanko 4 hours ago I see a VILE person in the chat!

@NASA 4 hours ago Less porn, more families

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago europe has the heritage we lack…but we have the guns. they have a problem Millennial Woes 4 hours ago A good debate! sneediumminer 4 hours ago it is gigantic ThinRedLine 4 hours ago America is the centre of antiWhiteism sneediumminer 4 hours ago dont discount the role US intelligence and finance plays in suppressing european nationalist movements danzimmons 4 hours ago Bolshevik sneediumminer 4 hours ago because then US meddling and the threat of US military intervention in european politics would go away

@TheLastBoyScout 4 hours ago does Jared Taylor think the death camp stuff (for lack of proper terms) from WW2, real? sneediumminer 4 hours ago the best thing that could ever happen to europe is the US government finally going bankrupt

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@jamesh80 I could be wrong, but yeah I believe specifically Nigerians at a rate of 800k a year Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago Yeah Bolshevik Revolution started by seizing power by coups in the big power center cities (e.g. Moscow, Petrograd Soviets), then Red Army was sent out to the countryside to establish Soviet rule everywhere. Jamesh808 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled specifically Nigerians? I thought it was just foreign workers that can speak fluent Japanese. I know there was an article on a Nigerian website. but the govt notice just said they needed foreign laborers not specifying nationality. sneediumminer 4 hours ago and thats how its always been sneediumminer 4 hours ago so once you put them back in chains they will learn to like it because that is just their nature

@ScottishRose 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled sneediumminer 4 hours ago women are very uhhh moldable though

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago was always a poster state for the alt right Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago I’m strongly considering going to AmRen this year Path of Totality 4 hours ago autocorrect is worthless ThinRedLine 4 hours ago Remigration

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@ScottishRose atrocious donations I know, but given his missionary upbringing I was intrigued as to his thoughts on the matter.

@Letwrong 4 hours ago

@sneediumminer unfortunately true

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago how did Greg Johnsons survey turn out regarding ethnostates?

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago F. Roger Devlin | The Specifics of Reconquest, Martin Sellner’s Remigration | Counter-Currents: https://tinyurl.com/43y5a3du sneediumminer 4 hours ago they will always just vote themselves shit sneediumminer 4 hours ago women are gendercentric like blacks are ethnocentric Path of Totality 4 hours ago sell Ed is a great guy danzimmons 4 hours ago ask the millions of Russian farmers who thought they could survive by abandoning the city’s, never mind because they were all killed sneediumminer 4 hours ago but the state subsidies stem from women having political power

@Letwrong 4 hours ago

@sneediumminer :rofl:

@ScottishRose 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled this is going to be devastating for Japan! Path of Totality 4 hours ago well Ed is a great guy sneediumminer 4 hours ago the state subsidising them doesnt help Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Remigration is the answer. sneediumminer 4 hours ago women naturally want to be whores and will dodge having children if they can

@WingITprod 4 hours ago

@ItWasMadeUp But THEY control the purse. Very precarious.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago

@DoubleOhSieben Yeah, I took care of it. Thanks for head’s up. sneediumminer 4 hours ago but again thats a question of “moral squeamishness”

@ScottishRose 4 hours ago pro White communities pro White voting locally and force at some point is going to be necessary Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago Salue to Illtakemystand

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede agree sneediumminer 4 hours ago raising the birth rate is as simple as revoking all womens rights Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago Don’t Jared & Greg basically agree? Jared just says White Americans won’t use the same US flag/national identity anymore?

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago 0.01 What are Jared’s thoughts on (Japan), I heard the government is permitting 800k (Nigeria) into the country – why I am not sure.. Jamesh808 4 hours ago

@danzimmons

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago

@RowHouse Thanks for your donation. My Rowhouse 4 hours ago $5.00 China through Mao greatly increased their birthrates, then decreased with 1 child policy. No such policy could work for Europeans? We are too free, and not prone to authoritarianism? sneediumminer 4 hours ago just look at housing prices up there danzimmons 4 hours ago relinquishing power even more is not an option imo sneediumminer 4 hours ago its pretty fucked tbqh sneediumminer 4 hours ago PNW has been flooded with illegals and white liberals fleeing the collapse of liberal states

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk sneediumminer 4 hours ago and who knows if or when that will happen

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago too late to save the state sneediumminer 4 hours ago because they are basically all predicated on a shitload of white people pointing rifles Lampshade Denier 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede I completely agree. That’s why AmRen hasn’t moved the needle in its 30 years. danzimmons 4 hours ago just homestead, like the Russian’s did how’d that go Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago The worst anti-Whites are the self chosen – they drive the whole thing. The others are just opportunists.

@ItWasMadeUp 4 hours ago Yes, freedom of association is all we need.

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago AH didnt believe that either….he lost…we lost sneediumminer 4 hours ago there are no “serious ideas that will work”

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 true, see your point here The Fourteen Words Podcast 4 hours ago Damn I messed an hour already. History&Truth 4 hours ago Obsessing about J -ws is not going to help our people gain a Wellbeing. Jamesh808 4 hours ago

@sneediumminer yea the woodlander 4 hours ago jared talking my points here, disengage and form communities

@WingITprod 4 hours ago

@NASA Yes NASA… See what I did there? :smile_1: Reddog 4 hours ago The problem is with ANTIWHITE J’s. And other antiwhites as well. But the white antiwhites are the very worst because they are enablers and traitors. sneediumminer 4 hours ago and they continue to do so whenever they possibly can sneediumminer 4 hours ago upper class whites already sold the country out decades ago

@NASA 4 hours ago Most people don’t listen. They have to feel the hurt personally until they change what they do and how they think.

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago pnw is goid but harsh weather and high dollar. Ozarkia has a better growing season and is far more affordable Jamesh808 4 hours ago natural ethnocentrism won’t keep them away ThinRedLine 4 hours ago Harikiri is great movie Jamesh808 4 hours ago non whites tend to still be drawn to white nations. they must be deterred and physically stopped sneediumminer 4 hours ago if white people never get up and point rifles nothing will ever change

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago censoring comments on history is an abomination White Community 4 hours ago correct, White antiWhites are the worst traitors, and should be shamed and humiliated relentlessly Lampshade Denier 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede Jared has stated that Whites are envious of Js accomplishments. Sooooooooooooo pathetic. sneediumminer 4 hours ago its always going to be a lower class white movement

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago

@NASA yes

@NASA 4 hours ago White strike nationwide sneediumminer 4 hours ago israel utterly controls all government from top to bottom and i cant see their power being broken any time soon Mike7666 4 hours ago No they can’t , sorry Jered

@WingITprod 4 hours ago A gentleman & a scholar. sneediumminer 4 hours ago anything that happens positively has to be grassroots danzimmons 4 hours ago lol Greg

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago

@sneediumminer so succession can only be grassroots . that requires proximity Lampshade Denier 4 hours ago Not every black is an enemy. What is your point Jared? Reddog 4 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian Yes! the woodlander 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled he was, but it was a different time Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago The so called self chosen tribe. sneediumminer 4 hours ago the governors all have israels hand up their ass Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago

@pathoftotality 100% Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago Send in them superchats folks!

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago

@sneediumminer i don’t believe so…we can even get the governors to form a state constitutional convention Path of Totality 4 hours ago Operation Free Gibs in Liberia Reddog 4 hours ago I’m rooting hard for the Irish and what they’re going through right now!

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago Bowden was firmly against secession and/or Balkanisation. the woodlander 4 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine trees squirrel and deer.. chickens, dogs, no ethnics though Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Operation Wakanda Bridge Horse Consoler 4 hours ago you’ve got to clear them out Dr. Martin Luther 4 hours ago Operation Bye Bye Mexicans.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago Uganda expelled it’s Asians back in the 70s sneediumminer 4 hours ago so secession is definitely a path to reconquering the US

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago

@ScottishRose the real life ideas are action. pick up and move. abandon what you think is important…ie. your historical home state. ignore state lines. look for strong white regions Unknown Californian 4 hours ago Operation Wet Back Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Operation Wetback sneediumminer 4 hours ago and then inspire the remaining white people to conquer the definitely dysfunctional nonwhite neighbors Reddog 4 hours ago We establish an exclusive foothold then slowly expand outward like a glorious amoeba. Just like we originally did. sneediumminer 4 hours ago I think its possible that ultranationalist parties will take power in a 99% white state

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 you’ve got all the ThinRedLine 4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 mostly trees sneediumminer 4 hours ago if an ethnonationalist state seceded from the USA Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago They would do ok – at their level (Brazilian style).

@NASA 4 hours ago I say let Animal Farm burn while Whites rebuild in the country the woodlander 4 hours ago i lived in a multicultural area, now i live in the ethno woods ThinRedLine 4 hours ago

@NASA two different “countries” Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago Hungary is a tiny country with fewer than 10 million people. Other European countries even smaller (geographically and numerically). So a much smaller number of Africans would become a much more noticeable problem much faster.

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago 0.01 To what extent do you think Rhodesia and South Africa is the future for (America)? Reddog 4 hours ago

@Evalation True. Look at Paris now. White Community 4 hours ago Is he talking about London? Germany? What is Greg talking about

@NASA 4 hours ago I grew up in a mostly black ghetto in FL. I now live in a mostly White town in north GA. The differences are HUGE.

@Evalation 4 hours ago I would Argue the French are just as hopeless on the race issue as Americans.

@ItWasMadeUp 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled If only

@ScottishRose 4 hours ago this is a weak covo. we need real life ideas for oir survival

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 4 hours ago Well look at the UK. Apparently not fussy enough

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@ItWasMadeUp you could round them up in an afternoon Dr. Martin Luther 4 hours ago More whites are awake now than ever before. Reddog 4 hours ago So once nonwhites turn our homelands to dust then what?

@ItWasMadeUp 4 hours ago They let 500 in? ThinRedLine 4 hours ago

@JohnTheConfederate they don´t want the channel to be nuked

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago free speech is dead i know. hope is a great thief Lampshade Denier 4 hours ago 1 African is too much. Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Keep it down to 5 token negroes. 0KT0BER 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled lol

@NASA 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede No in real life! With living actors. the woodlander 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled

@Letwrong 4 hours ago

@horseconsoler I got you bro Horse Consoler 4 hours ago

@Letwrong thank Marcel V. Reagan 4 hours ago Homosexuals are compromised on nearly every sociopolitical question

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 thanks for your donation Dr. Martin Luther 4 hours ago As long as there are men like Jared and Greg, I have hope.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Follow Jared Taylor at American Renaissance: Website: https://www.amren.com Telegram: https://t.me/AmRenOfficial Gab: https://gab.com/AmRenaissance Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/AmRen Odysee:

@AmericanRenaissance Substack: https://radiorenaissance.substack.com/

@NASA 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede We’re long overdue for a major movie on GLR the woodlander 4 hours ago $10.00 thank you to both Jared and greg some great points raised by both. and thank you to frodi for organising the debate. on reflection, i think jarod has it.

@ItWasMadeUp 4 hours ago I’ve been very impressed with Jared’s points so far.

@dinocini 4 hours ago On a moral level decolonization never happened. It moved into another framework

@Letwrong 4 hours ago Free Horse Consoler :raised_fist: Mystor 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede What do you think the “temporary pier” to Gaza is for? Reddog 4 hours ago So infinity negroids minus whites is the future of planet earth I guess. Dr. Martin Luther 4 hours ago Jared Taylor is one of the greatest living Americans.

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago decent men will do indecent things in order to survive

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago Can’t let women’s squeamish feelings crying over brown babies dictate our future. White men need to take charge.

@NASA 4 hours ago “I’d be willing to give up Harlem and Miami if it meant blacks would stop killing Whites.” – GLR Lampshade Denier 4 hours ago Kick out the squeamish people. Reddog 4 hours ago

@Polaris True. Mystor 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede We need to recapture Jerusalem… Legally. Wilhem Ivorsson 4 hours ago I agree with Jared here. This is what is in play.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago

@WrathofArminius684 Thanks for your generous support. Question for Mark 4 hours ago But our ancestors were NOT morally squeamish! Reddog 4 hours ago Our empathy and sense of fairness is great when practiced intraracially but a weapon used against us when used interracially. Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago A major obstacle to more strenuous hypotheses 20 years ago was the greater mass of middle-tier expectations. The Unthinkable is now Undeniable. WrathofArminius684 4 hours ago $25.00 I generally agree with Jared Taylor. Gregory Hood’s Amren article To The Ronin of the West is well worth the read. Progetto Razzia 4 hours ago But the recent case of Pakistan which deported 500,000 thousand Afghans in less than a year is also an interesting case…

@NASA 4 hours ago like an albatross around our neck Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago That’s why you can’t apply the same standards to other races, if you do you’re retarded.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago This channel depends on your support. If you want to help, you can send a donation here: https://gtkradio.com/donate Progetto Razzia 4 hours ago The Fiji Islands and their “Rabuka coup” of 1987: where Fiji, now a country with an Indian majority, in a few years returns to being a country with an indigenous majority because the new government deports all foreigners of Indian origin. ThinRedLine 4 hours ago FreeJared Taylor Mystor 4 hours ago

@GoyimStampede You can name Israelis Foundations of The 21st Century 4 hours ago We are all Banned, censored…for a generation, now. It has always been word of mouth.

@synchro505 4 hours ago Geez, is there no search engine (other than Yandex) that’s not corrupted? Horse Consoler 4 hours ago #freejaredtaylor

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 4 hours ago

@Reddog Thanks man! Of course the future is never guaranteed, but we have certainly not given up. the woodlander 4 hours ago

@0KT0BER evening mate

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@0KT0BER nah, that’s

@ReedJohnson Progetto Razzia 4 hours ago regarding the idea of ​​returning to being an ethnically homogeneous country, I think it is interesting to know that there are at least a couple of examples, one of which is quite complete, which show that it can be done.

@ScottishRose 4 hours ago we absolutely need to take it back or it will be too dangerous for our children Horse Consoler 4 hours ago we never used to be Reddog 4 hours ago Thank God for our own information technology. Now information can go viral.

@ItWasMadeUp 4 hours ago Type ‘Ausrian Painter’ into Google. They show you every Austrian painter except the one that matters. Foundations of The 21st Century 4 hours ago

@synchro505 Precisely. Path of Totality 4 hours ago I like James Woods

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago and he is shocked by this?? lol

@synchro505 4 hours ago

@FrankLDeSilva Especially among those who are professional grade.

@WingITprod 4 hours ago The actor James Woods has awaken to many of OUR problems. Jamesh808 4 hours ago many thanks to Marcus (the golden one) for exposing me to counter currents

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled :ok_hand: 0KT0BER 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Hmmm thinking_emoji Reddog 4 hours ago I use Bing. Don’t know if that’s any better. 0KT0BER 4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 evening fella Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago Remember how hard White Rhodies fought for Rhodesia even when Whites were only ever a tiny 7% minority of the total population! Even South Africa was no more than 20% White as a developed first world nation in the 1980s (now less than 10%). Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Duck duck is kosher like google. 0KT0BER 4 hours ago DDG is Google Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Use Russian Yandex. Carney Corner 4 hours ago Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago Cultivating practical skills and networking are infinitely more important than these sorts of “Robinson Crusoe fantasies” (as Marx termed something similar). Path of Totality 4 hours ago

@bob Agreed. Dr. Martin Luther 4 hours ago I like Greg’s optimism and Jared’s experience. Reddog 4 hours ago

@Stereotype_Enjoyer I certainly hope you’re right. God bless you all.

@synchro505 4 hours ago Who is covering it up? :thinking:

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago

@synchro505 You’re welcome. Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Someone could be watching on a Commodore 64 and only has all caps. Path of Totality 4 hours ago shoot for the stars, and you might land on the moon! Dr. Martin Luther 4 hours ago Realizing that I grew up in a majority, normatively white area reminds me of how old I am and the passage of time.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago

@Sonofaclown Please refrain from posting in ALL CAPS. Thanks. Reddog 4 hours ago Some get battered into resignation. Especially if they don’t have a lexicon of terms or a moral framework to resist with. Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago Normie Whisperers.

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 4 hours ago It’s not over for us White South Africans. I personally guarantee that.

@synchro505 4 hours ago

@ReedJohnson Thank you. Foundations of The 21st Century 4 hours ago The Moral impasse…has ALREADY been reached. Now what?

@NASA 4 hours ago Diversity at all costs and its consequences have been a disaster

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago Great question Path of Totality 4 hours ago

@NASA Yeah, it’s a problem.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Follow Greg Johnson at Counter-Currents: https://linktr.ee/countercurrents Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago It’s never over. Jamesh808 4 hours ago

@pathoftotality

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago 0.01 When does Greg & Jared think Western governments policy of “managed decline” becomes impossible and breaks down under its own weight of failure?

@synchro505 4 hours ago Why do the blacks speak with the same “blackcent” no matter what part of the country they are from? :thinking: Reddog 4 hours ago Reality is indeed often the best teacher. It surely was for me back in the 70’s and 80’s.

@NASA 4 hours ago Black music used to be jazz or blues or Motown. Now it’s all about sex and killing Whitey. Path of Totality 4 hours ago rock n’ was king. Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago Hard R brand hard cider is long overdue. ThinRedLine 4 hours ago Alpha Jamesh808 4 hours ago there was variety Jamesh808 4 hours ago I can remember when music wasn’t totally taken over by rap

@WingITprod 4 hours ago controlling media is religion is key Path of Totality 4 hours ago I see angry black people evrywhere in my area. They’re scary! Wilhem Ivorsson 4 hours ago

@inkstone Jared sounds fine on my end.

@NASA 4 hours ago and no hard R’s I assume Inkstone 4 hours ago Unfortunate audio quality from Jared. Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago Rules: 1. Have social skills – No insulting the host or guests 2. No spamming, shitposting, or random links 3. No fedposting 4. No gossip & drama 5. No promoting other channels/groups (forwarding on-topic posts is fine) ThinRedLine 4 hours ago lol

@ScottishRose 4 hours ago

@Polaris this part

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago can’t afford babies, cant afford house, cant afford land? better to sell everything and get to the most affordable white areas Jamesh808 4 hours ago zoomers will be culture shocked ThinRedLine 4 hours ago show them old film stribs

@NASA 4 hours ago Each generation grows up feeling more entitled Question for Mark 4 hours ago Can Jared & Greg talk about the possibility of reconquest, revolution, force, violence in reaching our goals? Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago Nonwhite immigration is the main problem, not birthrates. 90% White America of 1960 had 135 million Whites out of 150 million total population. 60% White America of 2020 had 200 million Whites out of 330 million total population. Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago No, it’s easier for them.

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago these are really quite far fetched theories by greg.

@synchro505 4 hours ago Why do they refuse to assimilate? :thinking: Reddog 4 hours ago

@sneediumminer True. And even that isn’t really legitimate according to our constitution.

@ScottishRose 4 hours ago i want all or nothing

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@Reddog plus they’ve been kicked out of parts of NYC by

@WingITprod 4 hours ago

@Reddog Mestizos have lost my old neighborhood to the Muslims.

@Carlota 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Yes, some years ago, they didn’t get along at all:)))

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago you wouldn’t believe how many Texans are leaving to move to Arkansas Path of Totality 4 hours ago Han Chinese are the largest demographic group in the world Hywel7 4 hours ago this guy is a dreamer sneediumminer 4 hours ago until 1965 birthright citizenship was the only loophole by which foreign nonwhites could be citizens at all Reddog 4 hours ago Blacks have already lost Compton, Harlem, etc., to the Hispanics.

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@Carlota Has he appeared on Dutton’s channel? I’d like to see that A Day Without Yesterday 4 hours ago The Chinese are the most ethnocentric group on the planet. sneediumminer 4 hours ago a chinese immigrant was granted birthright citizenship by the supreme court in the 1880s Path of Totality 4 hours ago we once passed laws against int Chinese. they were getting a white high on opium! sneediumminer 4 hours ago the chinese are the reason nonwhites are able to have citizenship at all Reddog 4 hours ago The nonwhites who have always been here can be persuaded to support our efforts by pointing out that our loss of majority will make them collateral damage as well. the woodlander 4 hours ago whats possible and what is going to happen, is a whole other ball game.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago Defund the Magical Negro Society History&Truth 4 hours ago And how are you going to get that done without any positions of power nor an organised powerbase? Jamesh808 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago lol…240k+ debt per person…and you want to pay them to leave??

@WingITprod 4 hours ago Wakanda Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago Send in your questions, challenges and remarks folks!

@WingITprod 4 hours ago Ohhhhoooooo!!!!! Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago 1 Obviously we did not get to this situation through the application of peaceful reason. This kind of yarn-spinning about clean and clear outcomes is counterproductive. sneediumminer 4 hours ago almost all nonwhite sneediumminer 4 hours ago there are 120 plus million people here who got here after 1965 Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago African countries like Ghana have been offering special return package deals for African-Americans to return to the motherland to escape American “racism” for years now. Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Might as well go for 99%. ThinRedLine 4 hours ago paid repatriations Hywel7 4 hours ago i used to work in voluntary return . i had people screaming at me to go back

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago almost none of the new arrivals have great grandparents here

@BlackpillOverdose 4 hours ago The discussion is not what you can imagine “metaphysically” its whats actually possible and doable Reddog 4 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian ThinRedLine 4 hours ago criminals MrNoseburg 4 hours ago

@ReedJohnson evening bro Jamesh808 4 hours ago hart cellar ThinRedLine 4 hours ago

@sneediumminer for sure White Community 4 hours ago White people need a White AIPAC and a White ADL, and to get money. In order to be competitive with the antiWhites. Unknown Californian 4 hours ago remember Operation Wet Back? Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Force every employer to use e-verify. Jamesh808 4 hours ago there would have to be sensible management of a black country because they would just come back sneediumminer 4 hours ago amish outnumber the natives

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago better get to moving before the populace realizes money is completely fake. sneediumminer 4 hours ago native americans are an absolutely tiny minority that is no threat to us

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago

@NotMrNoseburg Greetings Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago This is Delusional Scholasticism. ThinRedLine 4 hours ago Liberia Unknown Californian 4 hours ago they all have to leave

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@Carlota I’ve heard the same arguments from Claire Khaw, admittedly EMJ is at least coherent if not naïve and a tad mad Path of Totality 4 hours ago every Native American I’ve met has a huge problem with White people. They don’t like us. MrNoseburg 4 hours ago they can go to liberia

@NASA 4 hours ago Their homeland is Africa. The problem is, Africans don’t like African-Americans.

@synchro505 4 hours ago They are a conquered people. They have been given enough. Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago I heard Liberia is a paradise – they can go there. Archie 4 hours ago Send a lot of propaganda into White nations saying that Africa has more economic opportunity and will be a super-power in the future.

@BlackpillOverdose 4 hours ago Send them to Israel

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago this is monopoly money. it does grow on trees now Reddog 4 hours ago We have to reverse the incentives. This can be done. No public assistance of any kind. Can’t attend our schools. Arrest employers that hire them.

@ItWasMadeUp 4 hours ago Well, America was built FOR White people. sneediumminer 4 hours ago clueless sneediumminer 4 hours ago “its not hundreds of millions yet” Bogl 4 hours ago We cant even convince whites to believe non whites shouldnt be here A Day Without Yesterday 4 hours ago I love Jared’s term ‘reservoir of manpower’ e.g. Nigeria has an enormous reservoir of manpower. There is no reason why a tiny ethnic global minority like the Irish should be looking after Nigerians. Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago As that far-right hardline extremist Mitt Romney once said on a debate stage: you just need to create the conditions that will incentivize SELF-deportation, so migrants will walk out on their own. Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Money talks. Many would leave.

@Carlota 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Well, he thinks they’d do great with strict Catholic morality and no usury. Very naive and not conscious of avg IQ. but he’s absolutely against migration from non-whites to Europe. Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago

@Jews_Genociding_Gentiles good point man Archie 4 hours ago

@WilhemIvorsson I common idea is that a lousy economy is needed to 1) get White people to get strong and 2) the Welfare tit that immigrants come for to end.

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago political will?? unanimous vote for israel…and they refuse to close the border. this government is absolutely not our government

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Follow Guide to Kulchur (Fróði Midjord): https://bio.link/guidetokulchur Jamesh808 4 hours ago break the silly taboos about restrictive immigration policy and closing borders

@NASA 4 hours ago or lack of incentives to stay Wilhem Ivorsson 4 hours ago The problem is that now these people are fully integrated into the political and economic apparatus. They can actively thwart all the processes by which we could reverse this trajectory.

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago stop asking….sounds like begging ThinRedLine 4 hours ago the invaders come for economic reasons Wooden Doors & Electric Floors 4 hours ago will they upload a replay of this stream?

@BlackpillOverdose 4 hours ago All incentives are in the wrong direction… fantasy

@NASA 4 hours ago see The Grapes Of Wrath

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago the irish seem to be the most active whites acting in their own interest. how many in this chat are literally taking action? the time is now. Reddog 4 hours ago Eliminate ALL artificial incentives to bring them and keep them here for starters. Jamesh808 4 hours ago

@pathoftotality sneediumminer 4 hours ago doesnt he have better things to do

@thedesperatevoid 4 hours ago I don’t think immigrant families that are 2-3 generations deep and have businesses here and grandchildren with comfortable lives (and possibly economic and/or political power) are going to pack up and leave voluntarily. It will take an iron will from whites to make them Foundations of The 21st Century 4 hours ago Has either JT or J ever talked to a politician say, in the Northwest, about moving this plan forward? White Community 4 hours ago Greg is omitting the power of money. Morality is only party of the equation, money drives a huge proportion of behavior and political will.

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago The economic incentive to leave just isn’t there Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago Tertiary Hegelianism Will Not Be Televised. Archie 4 hours ago I was a guilty of being an “Anywhere” person descried by David Goodhart, though it was due to anti-Whiteness in Canada.

@synchro505 4 hours ago

@FrankLDeSilva So true. Theoracia 4 hours ago Scandinavia already reversed the public opinion on remigration Foundations of The 21st Century 4 hours ago This is the same mantra…for the past 20yrs. Path of Totality 4 hours ago will is powerful when focused in th eright direction Archie 4 hours ago

@0KT0BER There was sentiment in India and Africa in wanting their “independence.” I imagine that there was more celebration than mourning in India and Africa when the Whites left. That it was time for them to “stand on their own” more likely was the Whites saying that to save face Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago Man… et tu Piedmont?

@ItWasMadeUp 4 hours ago Tribe and train. Reddog 4 hours ago If our 90+% majority wasn’t permanently “baked in the cake”. neither is anything else.

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@Carlota Perhaps I’m wrong, I always thought EMJ was weak on just as Jared is with Jamesh808 4 hours ago liberal dishonesty and emotional appeals A Day Without Yesterday 4 hours ago Most of those groups already holiday in their ancestral homelands. PiedmontFugitive 4 hours ago It’s is over, but something else has definitely started.

@ReedJohnson 4 hours ago Greg Johnson | Restoring White Homelands: https://tinyurl.com/mrn7j292

@synchro505 4 hours ago 3 Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Make a million incentives for them to leave – that’s how the enemy works. Bogl 4 hours ago Whites have neither the stomach nor the spine to ensure their own existence. they’d rather believe in the supernatural, pretend its all going to be alright, and slowly watch their bloodline and legacy disintegrate PiedmontFugitive 4 hours ago 1

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 4 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 Evening Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago 2 Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago 1’s in the chat for team It’s Over – 2’s for team We’re So Back – 3’s for team Nothing Ever Happens Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago Moral Suasion is not the prevailing dynamic. Mystor 4 hours ago make jobs outside the US (e.g. Mexico), they will follow the jobs Jamesh808 4 hours ago yea of course

@Carlota 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Not really, he’s totally against migration from non-whites to Ireland and Poland. I’m very familiar with EMJ. He hopes they’ll do great in Africa, naive but well-intended

@Barnstormer 4 hours ago when whites conquered this country, we were far more united than now. and our ideas didn’t just remain as debate and theory, but took shape through deeds and action Roger Brooke Taney 4 hours ago Isn’t this splitting hairs? Obviously United States regime in current form is under control of antiwhite hostile alien elite. If Whites take back control, does it matter whether they call themselves USA or not? Constantinople kept a Roman identity in new form many years after fall of Classical Rome. Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Whatever gets the job done. Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago A revolution is not Debate Club, to paraphrase Chairman Mao. the woodlander 4 hours ago

@Stereotype_Enjoyer evening mate

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago make pay for it

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 4 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson Essentially, yes. And they are very close to the de facto leaders of the Afrikaner community, Afriforum and Solidariteit, who have explicitly rejected White nationalism, are relatively philosemitic if anything.

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago

@tszymk77 pay them nothing Archie 4 hours ago This discussion really should be flying out on Twitter! 0KT0BER 4 hours ago

@Archie.Bunker that isn’t so about India, the British decided it was time for India to stand on its own feet Path of Totality 4 hours ago hahahah Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago

@jamesh80 yup Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Bribe African leaders to take in blacks. Blankeon 4 hours ago Reversing White genocide only requires the political will to do so by our leaders. It only seems impossible because all our current leaders are anti-White scum. Lord Wah-Wah 4 hours ago This is pure imagination. Miss 4 hours ago it was actually 93% white

@BlackPigeonPilled 4 hours ago 0.1 On balance, does Greg, Jared and Frodi feel Europe is more important than America to preserve as a white space?

@NASA 4 hours ago I see the big cities falling and Whites rebuilding in the country Gaddius Maximus 4 hours ago https://counter-currents.com/2020/11/uppity-white-folks-manifesto-part-1/ Tom – tszymk77 4 hours ago Pay people to leave. A lot will take it up. Path of Totality 4 hours ago reversing entropy is difficult Based and Rempilled 4 hours ago white*

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Books by Greg Johnson: The White Nationalist Manifesto https://tinyurl.com/mru22bre White Identity Politics https://tinyurl.com/3d774s8r Based and Rempilled 5 hours ago white erasure is a better term than hire genocide Archie 5 hours ago Algeria reversed French invaders! India and Africa kicked out the White colonizers.

@ItWasMadeUp 5 hours ago I admire Greg’s optimisim, but I don’t think it’s possible as our ‘leaders’ have sold us out. Based and Rempilled 5 hours ago real Reddog 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian Schoolofthewest.world is a great place to start. Check it out. Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago I’m an uppity White

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago lol…no way

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@Carlota I’ve heard Jones say it too, so long as they claimed some variation of Catholicism.

@NASA 5 hours ago Most invaders are lvl 1 zombies. They can’t last long without welfare.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk

@synchro505 5 hours ago ((politcal policy)) My Rowhouse 5 hours ago why did it happen yes

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago it’s over if ideas cannot take the form of action Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago well, these are reasonable concerns

@Carlota 5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled That was Dugin Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Stereotype_Enjoyer yes, so they propagate these foolish ideas, or pay lip-service to them, everything short of open racial self-preservation, and they abandoned south africa before it had fallen, not the noblest path A Day Without Yesterday 5 hours ago Any chance of Jared getting back on Twitter? Or TikTok even? Though I don’t use it myself. Horse Consoler 5 hours ago

@pathoftotality we’re back Path of Totality 5 hours ago we’re so back! Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago Nothing is over until the fat lady sings.

@NASA 5 hours ago Nothing is over! NOTHING! Path of Totality 5 hours ago it’s over! Blankeon 5 hours ago

@tszymk77 True. Blacks make up the majority of the worlds Christians.

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago E Michael Jones “Let’s make the become ”

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson Now it would be a lot more difficult to criticize them if they were more explicit about their nationalism and the racial dimension to it that is obviously the elephant in the room. They would probably argue that this would put them at risk of being destroyed, and I don’t disagree Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago 93% of Haiti is Christian :-).

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago america will balkanize. sooner rather than later. the areas that are predominantly white will be the best place to relocate to, but if that area is leftist, how long will it last? ThinRedLine 5 hours ago

@WhiteCapability that is true it is not numbers alone Path of Totality 5 hours ago CPAC has well-meaning, but hey are deluded Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Propaganda aimed at White youth is our only hope. We have to focus on the young. They’re the future. We need more propaganda like Murdoch Murdoch White Capability 5 hours ago Every White is worth a dozen (or more) of non-Whites though – we simply have more sense and capabilities on average. When we do take our own side we’ll succeed, and we’re waking up. Dr. Martin Luther 5 hours ago Greg and Jared should be the leaders of America.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Join us LIVE — WEDNESDAYS, GTK Radio’s KULCHUR LODGE RADIO featuring special guests and AMAs: 12 noon LA / 3 p.m. NY / 20:00 London / 21:00 Stockholm Path of Totality 5 hours ago the fact that Whites consider themselves evil colonizers is a testament about how powerful the brainwashing actually is ThinRedLine 5 hours ago evry year Reddog 5 hours ago Eliminate the incentives financially and otherwise for nonwhites to come and stay here. Incentivize the remigration out process instead. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago and an ethnostate, of whatever origin, can’t achieve this ? ThinRedLine 5 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 true, but how many million people go on holyday by plane every , physically it is possible

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson I don’t like a lot of conservative, non-racialist rhetoric and the fact that they sometimes insist they have more in common with coloureds in SA than with English Whites. There are many good people who live there with their hearts in the right place but I see it as a sideshow Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago and the israelis won’t flip their magic switch before we have patched the vulnerabilities ? you know, north korea has its own operating system, various gadgets produced domestically Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago uh 40 million just for starters

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@JohnTheConfederate I really hope doesn’t replicate Bogl 5 hours ago We can’t succeed in anything with christianity dragging us down. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Myst0r right, and we can resist this by … capturing america, with its institutions, and economic and technical power My Rowhouse 5 hours ago Is it too little too late? Roger Brooke Taney 5 hours ago Also if Whites try to hide out in one region…after nonwhites reduce the rest of the country to Mexico/Haiti, guess where they’ll be knocking next. the woodlander 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson 100 million is a very very large number of people Mystor 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson Israel has hard power as well, namely having backdoors into operating systems, chips and industrial controllers. They might be capable of shutting down a country’s critical infrastructure with the flick of a switch. For White Wellbeing 5 hours ago

@gaddiusmaximus Thank you Brother! For your service.

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago 0.1 What does Greg & Jared think the role of (Israel) will be in relation to both the 2024 election and (America) demographic destiny going forward?

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson Essentially, the founders made a decision way before Apartheid fell that their little town was the way to go, rather than putting all their resources into keeping the entire country for Whites. I think that was a defeatist attitude and am skeptical of the founders’ intentions.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Help this channel by hitting the icon for a like! My Rowhouse 5 hours ago If 90 percent of White Americans agreed, man the woodlander 5 hours ago half for those who want a whites only homeland, and half for those who dont. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago they CAME here in the first place – is it impossible to transport large numbers of people ? Green Party 5 hours ago Red state succession would certainly help. The resulting “red state” could be 90% white and allow freedom of association. Path of Totality 5 hours ago we’re too far gone in the Kali Yuga Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago it is certainly physically and economically possible Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago We’re getting it ALL back uncle Jared. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 maybe not politically possible, it depends on how the situation develops Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago Ask Jared where he thinks Js will go. Because I sure as heck don’t want them with Whites. Jared can live with the Js. Reddog 5 hours ago If our 90% + majority wasn’t “baked in the cake” then neither is anything else. For White Wellbeing 5 hours ago Not antiwhiteness. It’s antiwhitism. The antiwhite ideology. A sickness and terror on our people. A psychological war against Westernkind. Roger Brooke Taney 5 hours ago Fight for it all, then settle for what you get. Don’t pre-emptively surrender entire regions. the woodlander 5 hours ago the numbers are not in americas favour.. difficult to remove 100 million Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Rules: 1. Have social skills – No insulting the host or guests 2. No spamming, shitposting, or random links 3. No fedposting 4. No gossip & drama 5. No promoting other channels/groups (forwarding on-topic posts is fine) Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago yes, their culture, which excludes half of white south africans, and their variety of rabbi yeshua’s doctrine

@dinocini 5 hours ago Got the impression that many minorities will support repartition of illegals too.

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago *not any non-Whites

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago 0.01 What does Greg, Jared & Frodi make of the ausländer raus phenomenon in is it likely for such sentiments to go viral in too? WrathofArminius684 5 hours ago Politics matter but what we need is a cultural revolution.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Follow Jared Taylor at American Renaissance: Website: https://www.amren.com Telegram: https://t.me/AmRenOfficial Gab: https://gab.com/AmRenaissance Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/AmRen Odysee:

@AmericanRenaissance Substack: https://radiorenaissance.substack.com/

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago we are starting a new nation in Ozarkia. TexasVet nicknamed it Aryan Afghanistan. very apropos Foundations of The 21st Century 5 hours ago To Lead…one must see oneself AS part of the leading power structure. Populating this structure is a real life effort. Unknown Californian 5 hours ago I hope Mark Collette is tuned in

@ItWasMadeUp 5 hours ago Liberal conservatives won’t wake up until the bread and circuses end.

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago I agree there are not any Whites in Orania that I know of. But they have given mixed messaging as to whether or not a Coloured person, for e.g. can theoretically live there Roger Brooke Taney 5 hours ago There are some nonwhites in Orania. Even official census data counts show it. And leaders of Orania are adamant they are not racialist, just care about Afrikaans language/culture. Path of Totality 5 hours ago white liberal girls are the worst they are the villains

@Michael57DE 5 hours ago

@JohnTheConfederate Orania is but a very, very small portion of an entire but comparitively small Country of South Africa. This debate is about a continent sized nation. Question for Mark 5 hours ago Even if all Whites get on board with White Identity Politics, can we get a White homeland in US without using force or fomenting revolution? Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Stereotype_Enjoyer i see, i see, you are a suuth efrican, i will listen with interest if you should care to expound on the topic

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@Anonymous Thanks again for donating. Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Liberals are traitors Green Party 5 hours ago $5.00 How would Mr. Taylor alter his strategy/message if he could go back in time to 1990 and start American Renaissance all over again? Path of Totality 5 hours ago we need to wake up the liberals Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Lmao

@PotatoMutt nice

@ Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago

@aleluyeah Hello good Sir!

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@PotatoMutt Thanks for donating.

@aleluyeah 5 hours ago

@tszymk77 Hello Sir

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson I respect a lot of what they do. I live in South Africa btw. But I have many criticisms too. I don’t think it’s THE solution for many reasons. Archie 5 hours ago :zipper_mouth_face: I’m all ears. PotatoMutt 5 hours ago $2.00 We’ve seen Greg on Decameron before, but never Uncle Jared. Is there any chance we could see him this year (assuming Frodi has plans for Decameron this year)? Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago We need Orania on a grand scale. 100 million men and women White Orania. Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago We love Sam though

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago just curious who is running it. also, i know greg Johnson ran a survey recently. i wanted to know the results of questions 90- 95 . Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago He’s been hanging around with Sam Dickson too much lmao Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago they can hardly bear to fight their own wars, to defend the land which they say is so dear to them Reddog 5 hours ago Jared seemed hopeful for a little while. Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Harder to be optimistic when you’re older ThinRedLine 5 hours ago R E C O N Q U I S T A Foundations of The 21st Century 5 hours ago

@JohnTheConfederate Correct. My Rowhouse 5 hours ago Biden’s Presidency Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago israeli power is soft power, power exercised through lobbyists and their friends in the state security services Roger Brooke Taney 5 hours ago Yeah there are a handful of nonwhites in Orania even, it’s Afrikaans language/Calvinist religion community. There were even some votes from Orania for Julius Malema/EFF (Mr “Kill the Boer”)! Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Age changed his mind Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Myst0r absurd, they can’t subdue gaza

@ItWasMadeUp 5 hours ago Greg seems to be saying we can save it in it’s current state, but then we have to partition it – which is it? Foundations of The 21st Century 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian Precisely. Which is WHY we will never give it up…or simply declare a Reconquista. PiedmontFugitive 5 hours ago We are on the threshhold of a new era, one way or another. Mystor 5 hours ago Breaking up the US would mean surrendering the control of world events to non-white powers, notably Israel. Whites in the US and elsewhere would subsequently be at those powers’ mercy. Your “gains in self-rule” would be short-lived. ThinRedLine 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian a true paradise, but Reagan destroyed it Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Stereotype_Enjoyer they do what they can, they’re subjects of black supremacist tyranny Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago egle Reddog 5 hours ago I can’t give up. I’ll go down swinging. Unknown Californian 5 hours ago California would be the perfect ethnostate. Naval ports and great agriculture Path of Totality 5 hours ago entropy is reversable Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago I’m in Greg’s way

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago Orania is not explicitly Whites only, for what it’s worth. Not hating on them but people often mislabel them. They don’t let in non-Afrikaners (not saying they necessarily should) and theoretically a non-White can get in as long as he is part of the culture. But they have mixed messaging on this. ThinRedLine 5 hours ago

@synchro505 yes, today I think with European election we have taken a small step in that direction My Rowhouse 5 hours ago

@JimGoad Hello Jim, do you think Jared is more correct here, or Greg is?

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago send them all back to Africa Reddog 5 hours ago

@JimGoad Heyo! Dusanko 5 hours ago biggest issue is the average age of whites which is almost 50 History&Truth 5 hours ago This future analysis is rather misscalculated, I think. Even if you can’t really compare the United States with Europe, Dan Eriksson has had the most reasonable futuristic view that awaits us and how we should think and organise.

@JimGoad 5 hours ago

@Reddog Heyo!

@edmonddusa 5 hours ago transvaluation of all values is possible and our young people are waiting for this process to begin.

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine Do you think it’s possible that they could be repealed someday? Horse Consoler 5 hours ago free ma n-word jared taylor (from twitter)

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@JusticeTaney % ThinRedLine 5 hours ago hate speech laws in Europe are very strict My Rowhouse 5 hours ago Greg is right that they made White racism like it is worse than anything Roger Brooke Taney 5 hours ago Orania is not the model for America, it’s equivalent to retreating to an Indian reservation of 2k Afrikaners out of 62 million South Africans, whereas all White South Africans together are only 8% minority now (Boers even less 5%).

@ItWasMadeUp 5 hours ago Euro-based streamers have to abide by stringent speech laws, sadly.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@Barnstormer What’s your question? White Community 5 hours ago yeah basic words are censored here, stupid as fk Reddog 5 hours ago Big shoutout to Tim Murdoch and Jim Goad!! ThinRedLine 5 hours ago Macron just declared election because of his party´s poor performance in the European parliament election

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago who is the admin of the chat? Muh Fashy Bookshelf 5 hours ago I’m not optimistic considering what I witness in my city. The levels of degeneracy, miscegenation, women walking dogs instead of changing diapers has proliferated considerably in the past few years. It’s only getting worse.

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier Not a regular viewer these days but I would think that on Odysee censoring basic words is absurd Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago share the link where you can Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago over 500 watching Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Salute

@whiterabbitradio Unknown Californian 5 hours ago I hope TIm Murdoch and Jim Goad are in the chat Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@Stereotype_Enjoyer It shouldn’t surprise you at this point.

@SACPOP_spider 5 hours ago imagine the level of delusion required to be hopeful about another Trump term Reddog 5 hours ago Counter their words racism, racist, supremacist, etc. with antiwhite, antiwhite narrative, Antiwhiteism, our white wellbeing, etc. the woodlander 5 hours ago i think logistically deporting around 100 million non whites is going to be a tad difficult.

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago we should not chase extremely unlikely scenarios. do what is possible now. with all due respect, both of these men will have the financial means to go where they must when collapse occurs. who in the chat has that capability? Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@synchro505 certainly and far eclipses most counter-currents streams -while amren does not hold regular streams, and i don’t know about GTK

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Greg Johnson | Irreconcilable Differences: The Case for Racial Divorce: https://tinyurl.com/34m5z3r6 PotatoMutt 5 hours ago Why has Uncle Jared

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@whiterabbitradio I remember your Pocahontas video, thanks

@SACPOP_spider 5 hours ago

@JohnTheConfederate the drink you get when you squeeze oranges… can’t even talk about refreshing fruity beverages Reddog 5 hours ago Antiwhite and Antiwhiteism is being used a lot more too by Mark Dice, Trump Jr., even Trump in one speech, etc. White Community 5 hours ago Trump is a petty tactician, no strategy. The highest strategy is to race and creed. Without a racial and creedal strategy, ‘they’ are laughing at you.

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson That’s a lot for Odysee. Dr. Martin Luther 5 hours ago Great Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago I just made that rap name up btw

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson What do you mean? In other words, it’s at Frodi’s discretion? Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Free lil yung CHOPPA, Trump!

@WingITprod 5 hours ago 4-D chess :laughing_1: :laughing_1: :laughing_1: :laughing_1: :laughing_1:

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@Archie.Bunker No problem. Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago He will deport 5 antisemitic Mexicans. Path of Totality 5 hours ago what if Trump picks that black guy Scott for his VP? nooooo!

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago The only people he will deport are those that don’t like Js. Get real

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@Stereotype_Enjoyer It’s at the discretion of the channel. Just letting you know. Archie 5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson thanks Kanketsu 5 hours ago I’m sure will deport illegals just like he built the wall

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk Reddog 5 hours ago There is a video series on YouTube called Equal Training: How to Reverse Antiwhite Indoctrination. This holds a major key to what we can actually do. Go watch it and spread it far and wide.

@Stereotype_Enjoyer 5 hours ago Why is the J word banned from chat wtf? Archie 5 hours ago How come the Entropy donation link isn’t pinned at the top? What is the Entropy link? Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@JohnTheConfederate He loves them. He has stated they are more successful than Whites and Whites are envious of them. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago you describe a causal relationship Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier you wrote because

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago Who trusts Trump now? Path of Totality 5 hours ago the leftists will keep the deportation orders in the courts for years Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson No, it’s not his fault. However, AmRen hasn’t moved the needle. Your argument is childish. Foundations of The 21st Century 5 hours ago Debates are absurdly Passe’. History&Truth 5 hours ago 1 So why hasn’t the psychological warfare waged against us tried to be mended within the sphere a long time ago? Roger Brooke Taney 5 hours ago White Americans 50-60% of US. Afrikaners only 8% of South Africa and aren’t giving up crying it’s over; Boers aren’t calling themselves a defeated people. In fact Whites ruled South Africa at 1970s-80s peak with a minority of less than 20% of ZA population. And only 7% White minority ruled Rhodesia!

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Jared Taylor video | (Regarding end of America) What is Our Goal? https://tinyurl.com/bdd6e266 Greg Johnson response to Jared Taylor video | Is America Doomed? https://tinyurl.com/57drv8de Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Not extremely unlikely imo. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago is this what you mean ? Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier yes, it’s all his fault, because he has given his adult life to our cause, and yet here we are …

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago 35 years ago Jared was talking about the wonders of Windows 98

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine Thanks for your support. Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago balkanize Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago Because AmRen didn’t move the needle. ThinRedLine 5 hours ago $10.00 Mr Jared Taylor, what do you think is the solutions for White America ?

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Follow Greg Johnson at Counter-Currents: https://linktr.ee/countercurrents

@ItWasMadeUp 5 hours ago Agree with Jared so far, will be interesting to hear Greg’s stance. the woodlander 5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled correct My Rowhouse 5 hours ago

@Reddog I meant more people with our point of view

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago change isn’t going to occur with prayers and teddy bears Horse Consoler 5 hours ago mr. taylor isn’t telling white people to ‘give up’, he’s giving a realistic analysis of the current situation PiedmontFugitive 5 hours ago We have to stop looking at ourselves as refugees in our own country, and need to start understanding ourselves as colonists in a new country, or many new countries. derekjamesx 5 hours ago Man, X is really missing Jared Taylor. Wilhem Ivorsson 5 hours ago Don’t forget to LIKE the stream! Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Send in them superchats folks! hit the Path of Totality 5 hours ago most colleges are cultural Marxist indoctrination centers Reddog 5 hours ago

@RowHouse Fertility alone would not solve the problem. If we don’t win over their minds, our children will just become more antiwhite foot soldiers. History&Truth 5 hours ago Hmm, so should White people give up then, Jared? :worried: Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago a genocide, maybe an oblique genocide, but a whole genocide

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian Yes, people’s republic of Santa Monica.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago the deaths of despair, the deaths of unborn children Unknown Californian 5 hours ago

@synchro505 are you in California as well?

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@Torwell ThinRedLine 5 hours ago Don´t get Jamaicoed

@Torwell 5 hours ago Has Jared been listening to Devon Stack? Charles Gerety 5 hours ago We are absolutely not defeated Mr. Taylor My Rowhouse 5 hours ago Whites need to get to 3 children at least, White couples with 3 children more please!!! Dusanko 5 hours ago Becuase White Americans lost in 1945.

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian Same. The grocery store has become a freak show lately. Two armed security at all times.

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago brutal honestly from Jared Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago Who designated us? The self chosen. Reddog 5 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier In due time with some. But first we must lead with OUR moral arguments. Wen you force terminology you force ideology and take over the narrative and the moral high ground. Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago Jared lives in Fairfax VA and NoVa has very, very few Whites left. It’s brown, brown, brown. Few blacks, but lots of everything else.

@Barnstormer 5 hours ago we start a white nation by immigrating into the same area and forming a voting block for local elections. This is easier done in an area that is already white, preferably more right wing, and affordable for those whom have been harmed by this economy. Texas and California are lost.

@Letwrong 5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Ausländer raus :microphone: ThinRedLine 5 hours ago ausländer raus

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine Sure thing.

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier That is encouraging to hear. My Rowhouse 5 hours ago the younger people it is so bad being White Unknown Californian 5 hours ago I live in multicultural HELL danzimmons 5 hours ago every western government is anti White & pro ass Kissin to israel & the bankster class, but it’s not about who controls our currency

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Always.

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago ausländer raus My Rowhouse 5 hours ago Most conservatives go bend over backwards for Israel instead of for Whites Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@Reddog It can be done. A Boomer family member of mine figured it out on his own during covid.

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson Gtsy mate ThinRedLine 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson thank you ThinRedLine 5 hours ago

@ReedJohnson thx good to see you Brother

@Dorktron 5 hours ago Tucker famously refused Charles Gerety 5 hours ago Look at San. Francisco and tell me it’s not a lost cause Reddog 5 hours ago You know (((who))). But if you lead with the JQ, most whites will reject you and think you’re crazy even if you meticulously present all of the facts. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine yes, opening statements, no time limit

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@TheThinRedLine Yes. Good evening brother. Reddog 5 hours ago We are the villains in the antiwhite narrative controlled by the antiwhites worldwide.

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@synchro505 oh you (((know)))

@edmonddusa 5 hours ago If you prioritise economics then indeed nothing can be done.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@Anonymous Thanks for your donation.

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@Reddog Why are they allowing this? Who is forcing it upon them?

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@Reddog yeah, was going to ask Jared about that. 800k Nigerians apparently heading to Green Party 5 hours ago $3.00 Great debate! Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Whites need to retake California Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@Reddog Yup. By the usual suspects. Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian The 200 that are left? California is brown. ThinRedLine 5 hours ago Opening statements ?

@Letwrong 5 hours ago

@ARealUberMensch YES! Mystor 5 hours ago Israelis are often seen as running the US. Whites can likewise have critical influence on the US without being the majority.

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago

@ARealUberMensch Thanks for your consistent and loyal support.

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@BlackPigeonPilled Indeed! (loved your recent video, BTW)

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago NEW video from Jared Taylor | Can the USA Again Be Our Home? Part I https://tinyurl.com/2arsddrf ARealUberMensch 5 hours ago $20.00 jared, love you man, but there is a particular group of people who unify effectively behind the principal and policy of Browning america. they are the most disproportionately overrepresented group of the multicultural movement and yet you never seem to criticize them regarding this. Charles Gerety 5 hours ago All of USA isn’t salvageable however the white pill is an ethnostate which is absolutely in play Reddog 5 hours ago The Japanese are being targeted next already. Wilhem Ivorsson 5 hours ago Rules: 1. Have social skills 2. No spamming, shitposting, or random links 3. No fedposting 4. No gossip & drama 5. No promoting other channels/groups (forwarding on-topic posts is fine)

@Dorktron 5 hours ago Shun all white traitors Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@johngoras73 indubitably Reddog 5 hours ago Withdraw their financial support and free GIBs.

@ItWasMadeUp 5 hours ago I don’t think it’s desirable to save in it’s current state. We need to collectivise Whites along racial grounds and protect ourselves as it collapses.

@johngoras73 5 hours ago Ear buds matching his eyes. Stylish Gentleman. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago but go ahead and answer your own question Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@tszymk77 Absolutely! Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Lampshade_Denier because it’s -while relevant – tangential, and not conducive to building the more specific case against white replacement Reddog 5 hours ago And then the 1965 Hart Cellar Act happened

@SACPOP_spider 5 hours ago

@horseconsoler america being over is for the best. Whites will spend some time in “the wilderness” and when we re-take the world it will be better than ever before, even if that is many generations from today. Unknown Californian 5 hours ago By the Js!!

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian Indeed!

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago Duke’s Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Elon needs to restore Greg and Jared’s accounts

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Help this channel by hitting the icon for a like! Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago Send them back. danzimmons 5 hours ago BPP %

@edmonddusa 5 hours ago Reconquista 2049

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@synchro505 5 hours ago :thumbs_up: Charles Gerety 5 hours ago Two legends today danzimmons 5 hours agoAUSLÄNDER RAUS!! Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Gregor is the man!

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Follow Jared Taylor at American Renaissance: Website: https://www.amren.com Telegram: https://t.me/AmRenOfficial Gab: https://gab.com/AmRenaissance Rumble: https://rumble.com/user/AmRen Odysee:

@AmericanRenaissance Substack: https://radiorenaissance.substack.com/ Charles Gerety 5 hours ago Certain sectors are certainly possible in the Midwest

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Follow Greg Johnson at Counter-Currents: https://linktr.ee/countercurrents

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago

@Woodlader.4 evening mate danzimmons 5 hours ago Woodlandef

@synchro505 5 hours ago

@FrankLDeSilva Good question!

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Follow The Woodlander’s website, The Woodlander Initiative: https://woodlanderinitiative.co.uk/ Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago but a few thousand should do it Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago we have to rule the world, or build an IMPERIUM and further homogenize white cultures, because a few hundred nukes won’t dissuade our irreconcilable enemies from their genocidal plots the woodlander 5 hours ago gents Horse Consoler 5 hours ago white enclaves are possible, white america is over Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago

@Myst0r large numbers ? 300 nukes are not sufficient for the french “force de dissuasion” ??? Tom – tszymk77 5 hours ago Nothing can change without solving the JP. Soleks 5 hours ago hhhwhites Reddog 5 hours ago (((Hart))) (((Cellar))) Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian Because AmRen is funded by Js. Charles Gerety 5 hours ago Mistakes were made in 1965 and they never saw it coming Horse Consoler 5 hours ago

@SACPOP_spider you may well be right Reddog 5 hours ago That was absolutely the intention. Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago Js were behind it Jared. When will you be honest? Unknown Californian 5 hours ago That’s why I love Greg, he names the Js Lord Wah-Wah 5 hours ago 1 Abnormal is the New Normal.

@BlackPigeonPilled 5 hours ago Thanks Frodi Will O’ The Wild 5 hours ago Chuded Taylor Path of Totality 5 hours ago back To The Future Supremacy

@edmonddusa 5 hours ago It is always possible. If the will is there. Will O’ The Wild 5 hours ago It’s so over

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Jared Taylor video | (Regarding end of America) What is Our Goal? https://tinyurl.com/bdd6e266 Greg Johnson response to Jared Taylor video | Is America Doomed? https://tinyurl.com/57drv8de NEW video from Jared Taylor | Can the USA Again Be Our Home? Part I https://tinyurl.com/2arsddrf Dusanko 5 hours ago Jared clarified more with second video few days ago Gaddius Maximus 5 hours ago Heck I’ll take the 80’s at this point

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago This stream is also on DLive: https://dlive.tv/GTK_Radio Mystor 5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson The only White state with a real deterrent is the US, you need advanced delivery systems and large numbers. All the other White countries, including UK & France, are being protected by United States’ nuclear umbrella.

@Gullaldr 5 hours ago It isn’t live on Rumble Lampshade Denier 5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian And give Jared the bls to admit the js are behind the invasion. Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago yes quite jarringly out of sync

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk Dusanko 5 hours ago SHARE My Awesome Channel 5 hours ago Audio out of sync.

@edmonddusa 5 hours ago Greetings from Hungary, looking forward to the debate. Foundations of The 21st Century 5 hours ago Why are you NOT streaming on X? Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago the same can be said of christianity Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago the major chinese philosophes of confucianism and taoism, for example, emerged from civilizational collapse

@ReedJohnson 5 hours ago Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy: https://entropystream.live/gtk White Capability 5 hours ago America has to collapse in order to escape the financial system and all the global postioning we’re involved in… Unknown Californian 5 hours ago Gaddius is the man!

@thedesperatevoid 5 hours ago Happy Sunday everyone Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago the collapse of an empire invites radical new ideas, completely new moralities and social structures – because everyone understands after such a failure that drastic change is needed Will O’ The Wild 5 hours ago LATE LATE LATE LATE LATE Dusanko 5 hours ago Share this everywhere ! Leroy Patterson 5 hours ago i’m not sure that this is true in every case – and so i generally agree with you, a weakened federal government, weakened economy, discredited information- and propaganda-structure are openings for us Will O’ The Wild 5 hours ago Odysee gang >>>

Question for Mark
5 hours ago
Looking forward to the debate

Dr. Martin Luther
5 hours ago
God bless Jared and Greg!

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Follow Guide to Kulchur (Fróði Midjord):
https://bio.link/guidetokulchur

Keribou
5 hours ago
hey all

@Letwrong
5 hours ago

@UnknownCalifornian
real

@BlackpillOverdose
5 hours ago
Stream started

Unknown Californian
5 hours ago
Jared needs to hangout with Joel Davis and allow his youthful exuberance to lift his spirit

@SACPOP_spider
5 hours ago

@LeroyPatterson
sure, it already has and it will likely get worse. We’re going to have to survive through that. More tyrannical but luckily less competent as white people are replaced in positions of power.

@BlackpillOverdose
5 hours ago
One can only look at Eastern Europe today. Poland for example rapidly succumbing too globohomo and foreign immigration which was unimaginable 10 years ago due to american influence. And ukraine for that matter is obvious

PiedmontFugitive
5 hours ago
There has never been just one America, it has always been fragmented. We are now entering a new area of an entirely different type of fragmentation.

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Superchats/questions through Odysee (here in this chat) and through Entropy:
https://entropystream.live/gtk

@BlackpillOverdose
5 hours ago
It all depends how question is presented. What is America? America as we know it now in its size, and government, that certainly cannot be saved anymore. Things are going to have to change majorly for us to ‘save it’

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
I’ve unbanned Carlota. He’s a longtime user I’m familiar with and I’m reminding everyone to avoid engaging in any gossip.

Path of Totality
5 hours ago
I toggle between ‘We’re so back’ and ‘It’s over’ all the time.

Wilhem Ivorsson
6 hours ago

@gaddiusmaximus
That is a worthy point of consideration that I hope today’s guests discuss.

Path of Totality
6 hours ago
I’m neutral on the topic, because I don’t know what the path forward is

Gaddius Maximus
6 hours ago
$10.00
A challenge for Mr. Taylor: Why not be optimistic for the future when the Spanish Reconquista is a historical precedent we can draw inspiration from? It seems to me that all of this is over as soon as we take our own side.

@SACPOP_spider
6 hours ago
Death to America, the Great Satan

Weltschmerz
6 hours ago
Jared’s take has been spawning some ideas for white dystopian<>utopian fiction.

@Letwrong
5 hours ago

@SACPOP_spider
true

@BlackpillOverdose
5 hours ago
I agree with SACPOP. America as we know it must decline and/or fracture. So there is no saving it, only perhaps in a totally new form.

Will O’ The Wild
5 hours ago
Two great minds on a very important question. I paused writing my master’s thesis for this. Can’t wait :fire:

Leroy Patterson
5 hours ago

@SACPOP_spider
johnson has written that when the power of an empire decreases overseas it becomes tyrannical at home

Gaddius Maximus
5 hours ago
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@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
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@i_sniff_glue
5 hours ago
been looking forward to this all day

@SACPOP_spider
5 hours ago
we are not going to regain control of america so it is best that its power decreases, a strong america in the hands of our enemies is what we’ve had since WW2 and look at the results for whites all over the world

@ReedJohnson
5 hours ago
Join us LIVE — TUESDAYS, Weekly Roundup with Mark Weber: 12 noon Los Angeles / 3 p.m. New York /
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Leroy Patterson
5 hours ago
if a white state can maintain a credible nuclear deterrent, we don’t have to rule the world

Leroy Patterson
5 hours ago
the princes and the children of the elites should be educated in the imperial capital, of course, it is the wish of all involved, a few of them cannot disturb our harmony

Mystor
5 hours ago
America was on the brink of getting nuked in the 80’s. If you can’t rule the world, you will be destroyed.

Leroy Patterson
5 hours ago
yes, because the conquered peoples must serve the empire, they must wish to serve the empire, they must be convinced of some universal ideal

@SACPOP_spider
5 hours ago

@Myst0r
america needs to decline so that whites globally can preserve themselves

PiedmontFugitive
5 hours ago
I would settle for just enforcing our borders. Globalism is a precursor of multiculturalism.

Leroy Patterson
5 hours ago
and what have we gained, racially speaking, from enforcing neoliberalism, free trade, and free movement on the world

Leroy Patterson
5 hours ago
the world’s enforcer ?

Path of Totality
5 hours ago
is there an app for Entropy? I still don’t have it

Mystor
5 hours ago
America is the world’s enforcer, Whites need to maintain strong influence on it in order to survive.

Weltschmerz
5 hours ago
I remember listening to Paul Kersey harping on his mantra “America is irredeemable” on Amren podcasts back in 2015, so I imagine this is not an entirely new angle of approach for Mr. Taylor.

Gaddius Maximus
6 hours ago
Let’s keep Greg, Jared and Frodi up all night by bombarding them with superchat questions.

Dr. Martin Luther
6 hours ago
Jesus Christ be praised!

@Letwrong
6 hours ago
RIP

@Carlota

@ReedJohnson
6 hours ago
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@ReedJohnson
6 hours ago

@gaddiusmaximus

Archie
6 hours ago

@Doooovid
May Thor have victory!!

Path of Totality
6 hours ago
note: For some reason I can’t see my texts while typing into the chat, so please forgive typing and grammatical errors.

Weltschmerz
6 hours ago

@Carlota
One comment says “Greg is a loser” while the next claims “Jared is a shill”. You are just here for subversion, eh?

Path of Totality
6 hours ago
Ed Odyssey checking in.

Path of Totality
6 hours ago
test

@Letwrong
6 hours ago

@WilhemIvorsson
my bad

Wilhem Ivorsson
6 hours ago

@Carlota
and

@Letwrong
This topic falls under gossip and drama. Consider yourselves warned.

@Letwrong
6 hours ago

@Carlota
yeah

@Letwrong
6 hours ago

@Carlota
Would explain some things. I watched a speech of him reading aloud a bunch of anti-white quotes by J’s but he never seemed to make the connection?

Gaddius Maximus
6 hours ago
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Leroy Patterson
6 hours ago
i can’t write this word, this three-letter word, that refers to ‘them’

PiedmontFugitive
6 hours ago
Really looking forward to this one.

@ReedJohnson
6 hours ago

@FrankLDeSilva
You’re welcome.

Leroy Patterson
6 hours ago
there’s some filter

@ReedJohnson
6 hours ago
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Leroy Patterson
6 hours ago
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/05/04/setting-record-straight-longtime-partner-jared-taylor-addresses-white-nationalist-criticism

Foundations of The 21st Century
6 hours ago

@ReedJohnson
Thanks.

Leroy Patterson
6 hours ago

@Carlota

@Letwrong
According to Evelyn Rich, Jared Taylor’s wife:

@ReedJohnson
6 hours ago

@FrankLDeSilva
We begin in 30 minutes.

Foundations of The 21st Century
6 hours ago
Is this Starting in 30m…or Longer?

@Letwrong
6 hours ago

@Carlota
ofc he is :roll_eyes:

@ReedJohnson
6 hours ago
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@Letwrong
6 hours ago

@Carlota
I haven’t watched JT too much but why does he never acknowledge (them)?

doooovid
6 hours ago
G-d bless, keep the spirit of debate alive!

@ReedJohnson
6 hours ago
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Dr. Martin Luther
6 hours ago
This will be glorious. I deeply respect both men.

GTK Radio
6 hours ago
Starting in about 45 min.

GTK Radio
6 hours ago
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Dr. Martin Luther
6 hours ago
Greetings

Unknown Californian
6 hours ago
I think Jared needs to hang out with Joel Davis. I think Joel’s youthful exuberance will lift Jared’s spirit

Archie
7 hours ago
I also think that Mr Taylor is correct however I think that Mr Johnson is right in that efforts must be made to slow, stop and reverse the trend. Algeria did it and many other countries. Whites colonizers have been kicked out hence non-Whites can be kicked out of White countries.

Archie
7 hours ago
… because a person knows whether daylight savings time is in effect in their own time zone. Worrying if London or Prague are in daylight savings time adds too much confusion.

Archie
7 hours ago
To make the start time simple for people I will say that the show begins at
19:00
UTC a.ka. good ole fashioned Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) a.k.a. zulu time. GMT never uses daylight savings time which makes converting to a person’s local time simple because…

GTK Radio
8 hours ago
We’re starting in 2.5 hours.

@ReedJohnson
9 hours ago

@SomeRandomBloke
Thanks for your contribution.

Open Borders for Israel
9 hours ago
$5.00
I’m from Australia, so will miss this..but it’s not just the US that is in trouble, according to demographic projections, there will be 4.5 Africans by 2100 with Nigeria alone having more people than entire EU by 2060. 75% of young Africans want to go to Europe. What do you think Europe’s future is?

GTK Radio
13 hours ago
Coming up tonight (SUNDAY, June 9th) at: 12 noon LA / 3 p.m. NY /
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21:00
Stockholm

GTK Radio
14 hours ago
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TruthForge
17 hours ago
I know I’m not going to catch this live, but I will def watch it.

NotHappier64
21 hours ago
I cant wait for this. Really will be thought provoking.

@ReedJohnson
1 day ago
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Wilhem Ivorsson
1 day ago
Looking forward to this.

Gaddius Maximus
1 day ago
nice

GTK Radio
1 day ago
Coming up SUNDAY, June 9th, at: 12 noon LA / 3 p.m. NY /
20:00
London /
21:00
Stockholm

Wizard
1 day ago
12pm eastern or?

@BMC1488
3 days ago
Looking forward to this discussion!

Just living in interesting times…
4 days ago
Go

@ReedJohnson
I have to say; his points are thought provoking.

Just living in interesting times…
4 days ago

@The_Black_Sun_Will_Rise_Again
1.6 is negative growth. At 2.6 we might survive. But our IQ has fallen too low to recognize this.

Just living in interesting times…
4 days ago
It’s too late; we’re an “endangered” species that won’t breed and is voluntarily is castrating our “last” generation. At least we’ll exit as “equals”. The only solution is so draconian that none will agree to it. We’ve been genocided by our own leaders.

@ReedJohnson
4 days ago

@The_Black_Sun_Will_Rise_Again
Please refrain from spamming the chat and give others a chance to reply or discuss. Thanks.

The Black Sun Will Rise Again
4 days ago
White Total Fertility Rate has now surpassed black TFR in America for the first time ever.
-Total: 1.614
-White: 1.525
-Black: 1.479
-Hispanic: 1.977
-Asian: 1.339

The Black Sun Will Rise Again
4 days ago
Euro-Americans have a brighter future than most white groups in Europe. Free speach + High fertility sects

The Black Sun Will Rise Again
4 days ago
Simply by demographics they will reach tens then hundreds of millions rapidly, the 20% who leave their community will increase the ranks of whites in mainstream society.

The Black Sun Will Rise Again
4 days ago
I’m curious to hear Taylor’s opinion on the Amish, their population doubles every 20 years and their fertility rates don’t drop – unlike virtually every other group in the world, even black Africa.

@ReedJohnson
6 days ago
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GTK Radio
6 days ago

@MrRoboto
Thank you Sir!

@MrRoboto
6 days ago
I forgot who asked for this, but Frodi has delivered. Or will deliver. Looking forward to it. :thumbs_up:

GTK Radio
6 days ago
Coming up SUNDAY, June 9th, at: 12 noon LA / 3 p.m. NY /
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21:00
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