Joel Davis: We are live. It is 29th of August, 2025, and we’re going to do a quick stream for you tonight because it’s a big weekend in Australian nationalism. A big weekend in Australian politics because we’re about to have the biggest nationalist, anti-immigration marches that this country has seen in a very long time. And we’re primed for it. You’re going to be in Brisbane for this one, I’m going to be in Sydney. And we’re going to be all over the country supporting these rallies. There’s literally no excuse! I don’t really care what you have going on, cancel it! Don’t show up.

 

Show up to this midday Sunday. You got to be there. We need a big turnout. Bring your mom, bring your dad, bring your cousin, bring your auntie, bring your uncle, bring your sister, bring everyone! Right? Because everyone needs to be there.

 

We need to have a massive turnout because what this rally is about for me. And I think Jacob would agree with this, but we’ll get his take, is its about sending a message. Not even so much to the establishment, not even so much to the government, even though that’s part of it, but more so sending a message to our own people that they’re still fighting spirit left in the White Australian nation. And that we’re not going to just sit down and watch our country get stolen from us by hundreds of thousands of immigrants pouring in year after year, flooding the zone and turning us into a minority! We’re not just going to sit down and take it quietly without a fight.

 

We’re going to rise up, we’re going to resist and we’re going to force these globalists, and we’re going to force all of the enemies that are stacked against us to have to fight us for it. If they want this country, they’re not going to be able to take it by just calling us “racist”, and making us sit at home like little cucks! You know, seething at the television, seething at Twitter, all while the country is stolen.

 

Would you agree with that, or what’s your main motivation for going?

 

Jacob Hersant: Well, I think it’s both. We need to show the establishment that there is resistance to their agenda, and we need to show the broad population of Whites in this country that there is resistance as well. It’s both for our friends and for our enemies.

 

And it’s been interesting to see all the different reactions in the right to the idea of these rallies being on August 31st. So you’ve seen the Containment Rights, the especially the establishment, you’ve seen Sky News and these politicians, these Liberal Party politic out and saying:

 

“Do not go to these rallies, you’re going to be called a Nazi, you’re going to be racist! This represents a mean form of nationalism. We get that you’re upset about immigration, but you’re only allowed to advocate for perhaps 50,000 less to be brought in every year. That’s all you can do! You cannot stop immigration totally. You cannot suggest restriction based on race or ethnicity or anything like that!”

 

And then you’ve had people that aren’t explicitly in the establishment but that are part of the broader Cntainment Right. You’ve had these libertarian types, you’ve had these Zionist types, you’ve had all of these people saying that:

 

“They’re not even going to go to the rally, they hate the rally.”

 

It was a few days ago that most of these people have changed their mind because they know how big this rally is going to be, how much excitement there is for it, how much excitement there is for an agenda of stopping immigration and genuine nationalism.

 

And so they want to come and try to co-opt it. They want to come throw a spanner in the works, as it were, and derail the genuine discussion and the genuine resistance to this agenda of immigration.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I think that’s definitely true. We’ve seen that play out where there was obviously an attempt. We talked about it last week, that I know, as somewhat of an insider, let’s say, there were attempts early in this process, … Because this is an organic thing. This was started literally by some random teenagers on TikTok who then it blew up, probably bigger than they were expecting, and they abdicated the space. So this was a totally organic origin. And it shows.

 

The fact that it could be an organic origin, that it wasn’t explicitly planned, shows that there’s an appetite in the people for something like this, that this has been a long time coming.

 

But also what happened was immediately grifters from the One Nation Party, grifters from the cuckservative establishment, people connected to Zionist groups, people connected to other more establishment forces on the Right, they tried to get in on this. And they were essentially pushed out by nationalists who jumped on it first, who got in control of this event.

 

And then when we made it clear that we were going to be supporting the event and those nationalists pushed out all of these conservative elements, then they then went public and started attacking the rally saying:

 

“This is going to be a White supremacist Nazi event. You don’t want to go. The media is going to call it a Nazi event, it’s going to be a big optics failure, it’s going to be a shit show, blah, blah, blah!”

 

And then what happened was basically the comment sections of every single one of these commentators got filled with brutal hatred, brutal review. A lot of these people were non-White.

 

[05:59]

 

And so a lot of people pointed out that:

 

“Oh, you just don’t want a rally against mass immigration because you are the mass immigration! That’s rather convenient.”

 

Because what these forces wanted, they said:

 

“Look you guys don’t have any experience running rallies, but if you kind of hand it over to us we can take it over and we can bring all the politicians in and we’re going to do that. We have to make it optical. So we can’t make it just about mass immigration, we have to make it about digital IDs, we have to make it about lowering taxes, we have to make it about Net Zero, we have to make it about all these other conservative pet issues or libertarian pet issues. Water down the message and turn it into this kind of civn at cuckservative nothing burger!”

 

“And then we can then bring in all our money and we can set up stages and have people ranting about Israel on the stage and trying to get you to vote for them at the next election and just cuck the whole thing!”

 

When they were pushed out, they then regrouped and now they’re doing that on September 13, so good luck to them. I’m sure no one will care about those rallies when they occur because that’s not interesting. What’s interesting is what’s controversial. What a lot of these people think is that:

 

“You don’t want to be too controversial. Because if you’re too controversial, you can’t build a big coalition of people to support your ideas. So what you want to do is you want to water your ideas down to make yourself as least controversial as possible. So then you can try and get a big group of supporters and not have too many people attacking you.”

 

But the thing is, and there’s no energy for anything like that. People only have energy for things which are controversial. Otherwise why would they be taking to the streets if it wasn’t a contentious issue in the first place, if it wasn’t a really big deal, there wasn’t a lot of opposition to it, what would be the point of doing a street rally? The street rally becomes an utterly pointless exercise. It’s only relevant if it’s controversial. It’s only relevant if there are massive swathes of the establishment and of society in general that is upset about it. Because that means that you’re actually taking the fight and mobilising people around an issue that is contested.

 

And that’s what politics fundamentally is about, is about the contested issue. It’s not about the things everyone can agree upon or the things people don’t even give a fuck about in the first place. That’s not interesting, that’s not important, that isn’t going to materially affect our lives in a very serious way. But mass immigration, there’s nothing in our society that has more of an impact on our lives and more of an impact on the state of our country and the future of our country than mass immigration. Mass immigration is the issue of our time! Because mass immigration, a country is a group of people, mass immigration is literally replacing that group of people with another group of people. In other words, it’s replacing the country that we once had with a completely different country.

 

In other words, it is a way to steal our country from us by replacing the population with a new group of people, a melange of foreign races that will be subservient to a globalist regime that has demonstrated over the last few decades that it has no loyalty to us and it wants to be completely unconstrained from any loyalty to us, the historic Australian nation, because it is wanting to globalise our economy. It has shipped off our jobs to foreign countries, it’s brought in foreign investment, integrated us into all of these international institutions and treaties and so on, and has no interest in maintaining Australian sovereignty in any meaningful capacity. But instead seeks to kind of its a parasitical elite that seeks to ingratiate themselves with global power networks, international finance and so on. And that’s what they care about. They care about getting on those gravy trains, getting the access to these global elite networks. That’s what they care about. They don’t care about you, they don’t care about me, they don’t care about the Australian people!

 

And so we have a traitor regime that is using mass immigration to essentially facilitate the conquest of our country without a bullet being fired! And what this rally is about is about the Australian people saying:

 

“No! You’re not going to take this country off us without a bullet being fired. We don’t care if we don’t have political representation, we will, through force of will, manifest our own organic nationalist movement to rise up and challenge you!”

 

That’s what this rally is about. It’s about showing the Australian people that there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Australians ready to march in defense of our national identity, in defense of our country against mass immigration now. And this is just the beginning.

 

So it’s a very potentially powerful step for Australian nationalism. A few years ago, you know, thinking back to the Covid pandemic and the end of end of the Covid pandemic, that whole period, it felt like at that time that there basically was no nationalist movement in Australia to speak of there were a few people with little projects doing things here and there, but there wasn’t much momentum behind anything. Nothing was really happening. Over the last two and a half, three years, that’s changed.

 

And I think our organisation, the work we’ve done have been Spearheading that change. But now the people are ready for nationalism again. Now the hunger is there in the population for our kind of politics.

 

[11:23]

 

And I think we’re going to see that on Sunday when despite all the politicians, all the mass media, all condemning this as a horrible, racist, Nazi White supremacist event, they’re going to come anyway. And everyone has been told that we’re going to be there and they’re going to come anyway with their Aussie flags and they’re going to march with us because they realise that the people that are ruining this country and that are trying to steal this country from them are not the Nazis! We’re on their side. It’s the communists, it’s the globalists, it’s international finance, it’s the political establishment! That’s who their enemy is, not us. And all these elements in society, they try and go to the everyday Australian people and point the finger at us and say:

 

“Those are the people that you should be afraid of! Those are the people that you should be morally rebuking.”

 

Why? What are we trying to do here? We’re just trying to basically advocate for you. Why are you so afraid of Nazis? What are Nazis? We are just radical nationalists! We take nationalism to its logical conclusion. We care about you too much mate! Maybe we’re too extreme in how much we care about you and this country. That’s all we’re guilty of we’re guilty of hating communists too much. We’re guilty of hating jews too much. We’re guilty of hating the politicians too much. We’re guilty of hating everyone that is ruining your life, too much! Yes, sorry, we’re guilty of that.

 

Why are you offended by that? Why are you offended by someone who puts your interest first? You should be offended by these communists trying to tell you how to think and who to like and not to like when. These are the people that are complicit in stealing your country away from you. These are the people who think that White people need to basically be subjugated to atone for our historical crimes of being the greatest, most powerful race in human history! Why are you listening to that?

 

All these communists are trying to dictate to us about how you shouldn’t let the Nazis be at your event:

 

“If you go to this event, you’re basically complicit in Nazism!”

 

And all this kind of stuff. Fuck these communist faggots! ! Why are you listening to them? And the same with these politicians and everyone else. Everyone who’s telling you not to go to this rally hates you and hates your way of life and is trying to take it away from you! We don’t hate you and your way of life. We love you. That’s what this is all about.

 

I think it would be a good way for the movement to embrace us, but at the same time for us to embrace them, for us to realise that we’re all in this together. That’s how I see. That’s what I hope to see this weekend.

 

So, everyone watching this, you got to come down. You got to come down. You’ve got to come say hello. We’re going to be all over the country. You’ve got to support the event, support the organisers, support the speakers. There’s a diverse range of speakers and opinions that are probably going to be articulated. You don’t have to clap for everyone if someone says some really cucked shit! But come down and support the event. Bring your Aussie flag.

 

If someone raises an abo flag, Israel flag, Russian flag, whatever, tell them to fuck off! But bring your Aussie flag and bring your family because this could be something quite special. The scenes on the news, Sunday night, of every city Australia covered in patriots marching together as one against mass immigration, defense of our national identity. It’s going to be a beautiful sight! And everyone that we hate is going to be in an insane meltdown!

 

There is going to be a kvetchcaust that we have not seen in a long time on the news Sunday night and on Monday and on Tuesday and so on. And the images are going to go around the world of Australian patriots rising up against mass immigration. And they’re going to say:

 

“The Australians are waking up! The Australians are fighting back!”

 

And the whole mood of the country is going to change! Because it’s going to be this very powerful reassertion of the fact that this is still our fucking country and there’s about 20 million White Australians, and we can take this country back if we want to. It’s a matter of whether we want to, whether we can get ourselves organised and unified to fight back. And if we want to, we will! And there’s nothing that can be done to stop us.

 

Jacob Hersant: That’s true.

 

And one thing I’ve noticed is the difference between these Containment Right people in wanting to dilute the message of opposition to immigration.

 

Whereas the Nazis who, they’re very angry about people who, like you and me, are trying to keep the rally focused on the original message. They saw a rally against immigration and they were upset about it, wanting to change it to be different. But the Nazis are the ones who want to reject this co-opting. From the start we just said:

 

“We support it, we want to go down, we want to oppose mass immigration with broad masses of White Australians.”

 

But these people:

 

“No, that’s not allowed, of course! They have to be opposing Nazis, not fighting with Nazis to stop immigration!”

 

And that shows who the real enemy to these people are. They actually are against “racism” and “Nazism” more than they are against immigration and government ideology, fundamentally.

 

I don’t know why they want to come to a march against immigration. Well, obviously we know that they want to come to co-opt it, but why don’t they go join the anti-fascists who hate racism, hate Nazism and hate immigration restriction. Why don’t they join the anti-fascists and protest us? Why do they have to come to the protest, try to change it, water it down, make it about a bunch of nonsense, rather than what everybody wants and is actually going to mobilise for, which is stopping immigration because it is destroying our country and ruining all of our lives.

 

[17:29]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! There’s people saying:

 

“Oh, I saw Craig Kelly say today, we need to put the recently arrived immigrants, he was saying up the front of the rally because no one is affected more by mass immigration than them. And we need to show that this is a rally against all immigration or immigration in general. It’s just against excessive immigration!”

 

No, it isn’t Craig! Who the fuck told you that you had the right to speak on behalf of this rally? Who the fuck are you? You fat fuck! You fat cuck! You are literally nobody!

 

But apparently he thinks that he has the authority to tell us what this rally is about the organisers March for Australia have made it very clear this is a rally against mass immigration, period! It’s not against:

 

“A bit too much immigration. Maybe we could bring immigration down by 40% or 50%.”

 

No! It’s against mass immigration, period!

 

And we’re not going to have the recently arrived immigrants up the front. The recently arrived immigrants should stay the fuck home. I saw this turbinator, this towel head, some Sikh community leader who, … There’s a picture of him shaking hands with Anthony Albanese. He must be some kind of multicultural, you know, official body representative of some type from the Sikh community, who said:

 

“Indians are very scared and afraid because they were named in the official March for Australia pamphlets.”

 

Where it pointed out that more Indians have arrived in Australia over the last five years than Greeks and Italians have arrived in the last hundred. Which is a wild statistic, a true statistic, a wild statistic! And they said:

 

“Oh, this is making Indians feel very afraid!”

 

So just pointing out the fact that they’re coming in their droves is making them feel afraid. And he said:

 

“Indians should stay home.”

 

And I said:

 

“Good! Fucking stay home! We don’t want you there. This is the Australian rally for Australians!”

 

It’s not for some fucking Indians! It’s not for abos, it’s not for jews, it’s not for Russians, it’s not for any of these other groups.

 

Now, if Russians consider themselves Australians, that’s one thing, but we don’t want them coming down with their Z flags and Russian flags. We don’t want people coming down there with Ukraine flags. We don’t want people coming down there with any other kind of flag. This is the March for Australia.

 

So, no, we’re not going to have recently arrived immigrants at the front. We’re going to have Australians, actual real, true blue Aussie Australians up the front, actually! Because that’s what this rally is about. It’s about us! We are actually the ones that are affected the worst by mass immigration because it’s our fucking country that’s being stolen from us! The recent arrivals, they benefit from mass immigration because they are the fucking mass immigration! I mean, it’s just fucking insane, the kind of shit that comes out of that fat fuck’s mouth!

 

So if you see Craig Kelly at the rally, tell him he’s a fat fuck! Call him a cuck! Call him a piece of shit! Tell him to quit politics!

 

And when I see him tomorrow, because I’m in Sydney too, if I do see him, I’ll tell him that myself. But I want all of you patriots to tell this fat fuck, Craig Kelly, that:

 

“He’s a race traitor. And then he needs to stay away from KFC. And he needs to get on a fucking treadmill!”

 

And I hope his days in politics are over. Because we need real, true blue Aussie patriots that are going to stand up for this country. I’d be much more impressed by the performance of Bob Katter over the last week than Craig Kelly, because Bob Katter, for all of his faults, understands that this country has been destroyed by mass immigration. And I’m definitely a lot more radical than Bob Katter on a lot of issues and whatever.

 

But there’s a reason why he’s been going viral this week, because he’s been tapping into the feelings of millions of Australians, which is that this country doesn’t feel like Australia anymore in an increasingly large amount of places. And that never in our lifetimes have we seen such ethnic division. They call us “divisive”. They say:

 

“Oh, these people that want to march for nationalism, these people are divisive! And being against immigration is divisive.”

 

You know what’s divisive? Introducing a whole bunch of different ethnic groups into our country. That’s fucking divisive! You know what’s not divisive? Having a country where everyone is the same, because then we’re not divided by ethnicity. Like these people they advocate for an ideology called “multiculturalism”. That is literally a divisive concept! It’s the idea that we’re all going to have different cultures.

 

And then when you say:

 

“You know what, I don’t like this idea that we’re going to accommodate all these different cultures in our society. I want Australia to be Australian.”

 

Then they call you divisive. It’s insane! They have everything backwards! Everything they say is backwards. Everything they say is ridiculous! We saw Allegra Spender*, the nose on this bitch is putrid! She’s the representative for the Eastern suburbs in Sydney.

 

[* Allegra Spender (born 1978) is not a jew; however, she represents the Wentworth electorate, which has a significant jew population, and she has been an advocate for the jewish community. Since her election in 2022, Spender’s policy platform has focused on strong action on climate change; economic reform; integrity in politics; and support for gender equity, humanitarian treatment of refugees, LGBTQs inclusion, and action on anti-semitism.]

 

She’s a Teal. Whatever you call it, independent. And she said:

 

“Oh we shouldn’t be having street rallies against mass immigration. If you’re upset about mass immigration, you should write a letter to your local MP and tell your MP about it!”

 

Are you fucking serious? We don’t get to protest in this country anymore? We just have to write letters to Members of Parliament. They don’t give a fuck about us who are responsible for the very thing we’re upset about the patronizing attitude of these people. They think they can just morally grandstand and talk down to us.

 

And I love it because you know what? All of these politicians going on television yesterday and today and it’s all over the social media, the Prime Minister, the premiers of all these different states coming out and saying that these rallies are horrible, these rallies, they condemn the rallies and blah, blah, blah. All they did was just make the rallies grow in size. All they did was bring more patriots out on Sunday because Australians don’t want to be talked down to by these fucking traitors. That’s who we’re protesting against. Who the fuck do they think they are? Tell us what we’re allowed to be upset about. This is Australia. We’re supposed to be a free country.

 

[23:38]

 

So I’m feeling really positive about the weekend. I think a lot of people are going to show up. I think it’s going to be a powerful presence in the streets. And yeah, the politicians, they keep making the same mistake that they always make with our activism where they have to say something, they have to condemn it, they have to talk about how horrible and racist it is. All they do is increase the popularity and the notoriety of the activism. And they’re doing this now to the March for Australia where they’re blowing it up into an even bigger, a more potent thing because the media and the politicians can’t stop attacking it. And they don’t understand that the Australian people hate the media, hate the politicians and will do the opposite of whatever they say!

 

Jacob Hersant: Yeah, well, they tell us to write the politicians because that way they can ignore it easier. The reality is they are responsible for the mass immigration and if we bring our concerns to them, they’re just going to ignore it. They don’t care! They are bribed to carry on the agenda. They believe in the agenda! And they don’t care about us at all!

 

And when you brought up the recently arrived immigrants who are allegedly the most affected by mass immigration, these migrants really have no self awareness. They come into our country and make it worse and then they complain about more people like them coming into the country and making it worse for them. So they come into the country and then they start screaming:

 

“Shut the borders now. But maybe not for my family, because my family are nice. Bring those people in. But we got to shut the borders and we got to keep a White majority so that I can parasitize off the majority and live a comfortable life and not be affected by the problem I’m a part of and responsible for.”

 

So this is ridiculous!

 

The fact that this fat cuck [Kelly], as you said, fat fuck and fat cuck, as you so eloquently rhymed, he is saying that these people who are part of the problem are actually the most affected. And when he says that, he’s actually ignoring us! And he’s just ignoring us and it is pure insanity that the vast majority of people and the true people that are affected by mass immigration are White Australians. And the vast majority of people that are going to be marching against immigration are White Australians. And that all these migrants, these recently returned migrants, which I’m sure there will be a few there, all they’re going to be doing, they’re not going to be screaming out the most to stop immigration. They’re going to be “concern trolling” everyone saying:

 

“Oh, well I’m an Australian too and yeah, a little bit of immigration is okay because I came in and I’m nice and I like Australia.”

 

While all the White Australians are going to be there screaming out to:

 

“Stop immigration, we need to close the border. We need to start mass deporting all these illegals and criminals and all these people!”

 

We’re going to have all these concern trolls and these cucks like Craig Kelly trying to sabotage the event.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I mean I saw, there’s been a lot of concern trolling pre-emptively:

 

“Oh, are immigrants going to be welcome at the rally?”

 

And it’s like, why do immigrants need to be welcome at the anti-mass immigration rally? Like they are the fucking mass immigration! Like is the mass immigration going to be welcome at your rally against mass immigration? It’s like going up to like the pro-Palestinian protest saying:

 

“Are Zionists going to be welcome at your rally?”

 

Or going up to like the anti-Covid vaccine protesters and saying:

 

“Oh, the CEO of Pfizer, is he going to be welcome at your rally? Or is Anthony Fauci going to be welcoming rally?”

 

Like fuck off! Like fuck off with that stupid question! I’m sure there’s going to be some people there that are of non-White extraction who consider themselves civic patriots or something, or sympathetic to White Australians and our plight.

 

And ultimately you can’t control who shows up to a street rally because it’s in the public. But of any of the non-Whites that do want to show support, if they’re there in good faith, they should keep their mouth shut and not make it about them. Don’t come down with foreign flags, don’t come down and concern troll. If you truly care about Australia and our plight, then you should quietly nod along, while the White Australians do something about the problem, at the very least.

 

[28:24]

 

But you know, from my personal position, I don’t think this is the position of the official organisers. It couldn’t be. But my personal view is stay the fuck home! This is our thing. You know, I say the same thing to non-Whites who watch this show. Stop watching my fucking show! This isn’t for you! You’re brown! I’m not talking to you. I’m talking to my fellow White Australians. Brown people try to come into my Telegram channel and I always tell them, mods:

 

“Ban them in my Telegram chat!”

 

This is supposed to be a space where White people can talk amongst ourselves and work out our problems amongst ourselves. Why do you have to follow us around like a bad smell? You know, every time White people try to have our own space somewhere to do our own thing, there’s a whole bunch of brown people trying to get inside it. I get that being brown sucks! I get that brown people suck and you want to get away from them and that we’re better than you and you want to be around us. But please, fuck off! ! You know, it’s annoying.

 

But anyway, I think we’ve seen an interesting reaction by different elements of the establishment here. You know, we’ve seen Bob Katter, Pauline Hanson, John Ruddick, a lot of the more populous coded politicians have endorsed this rally. Everyone else on, like all the entire Liberal Party, pretty much everyone that goes on Sky News, with only a few small exceptions, they’ve all condemned the rally. And they’ve said:

 

“It’s offensive to Indians, it’s offensive to immigrants and blah, blah, blah.”

 

And so a line has been drawn between who’s a real nigger and who isn’t, if you will. And, it’s been interesting to witness that. I think the key takeaway will not be what people said before, but what people say after. Because afterwards there’s going to be a lot of controversy. They’re going to say it was a “Nazi event”. It’s just because we’re there. They are going to call it:

 

“A White supremacist event and blah, blah, blah, racist, etc.”

 

And a lot of the controversy around the event isn’t even just because of us. Like the people that are organising it, who aren’t members of our organisation, they themselves have said some pretty spicy stuff, some pretty based stuff. And that’s getting whipped out into the media and so on and so I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of backlash. And I’m sure some people are going to cuck out. Some of these politicians that are currently saying that they support it might backtrack. Some of these commentators that are currently defending it might backtrack.

 

And so we’re going to really find out who the real ones are and who the fake ones are, I think through this process. And it’s this great kind of sorting mechanism basically to figure out like I’m going to draw the line on who’s basically for White Australia and who’s against it. And that’s the dividing line. And that’s exactly where we want the dividing line to be in politics, from our point of view. Because obviously we’re the spearhead of White Australia. And for us, the racial question is the everything question in politics.

 

And so I’m just really kind of excited to see what consequences this has in general. Because people say all the time:

 

“What’s the point of marching around?”

 

You know, when they criticise what we do, they criticise street rallies in general. They say:

 

“Oh, politics isn’t about street rallies. Street rallies don’t accomplish anything. What accomplishes things is making money and buying influence and getting institutional power. And all the street rally stuff is just kind of this peasant psychological release valve. It doesn’t actually achieve anything.”

 

And I think in some cases that’s true, but I think it’s not true in many cases. I think often mobilising in the street can have a profound psycho-social effect on the broader population, can change the structure of political discourse, it can realign people politically. And also it’s a show of force that can greatly moralise one side, demoralise another side. We’ve just seen the pro-Palestine marches over the past two years accomplish quite a lot for their cause. Australia now recognises Palestine as a state. This is something that was unthinkable two years ago. So street movements can have considerable effects on politics if they’re determined, if they’re well organised, if they’re relentless.

 

So I think this is an opportunity for nationalists to try and materialise and get organised in the street. And that can provide a foundation to get organised in other ways. And also a kind of source of moralisation for the general Australian people to take up the banner of nationalism and fight for it, to believe that there could be a political solution if we get organised.

 

And I think it would be great for the White Australia Party that we’re building. I think this is a great kind of momentum builder for when we launch our political party in the coming months.

 

Jacob Hersant: Another thing that has been interesting is to see all of these Containment Right people making little schemes and saying that they’re going to kick us out of the rally, saying that they’re going to purge the neo-Nazis from the demonstration. Which is really delusional because when you consider when we went to the Shrine of Remembrance and booed the Welcome to Country, that was some 40 Nazis going into a crowd of 50,000 people. Now that crowd would have been generally Right-wing, but it wouldn’t have been a substantially radical crowd, just people that were there to remember Anzac Day.

 

In fact, when we were booing, after we were done booing, there was some woman in the crowd that yelled out:

 

“Always was, always will be Aboriginal land!”

 

So there were a few Lefties there as well. And we booed the Welcome to Country. And it was very awkward for all of these kind of people. And even they did not have the spirit to shut us up and to kick us out of the rally.

 

So the idea that we’re going to go to a crowd of people that are there to stop mass immigration and these people are going to be able to concern troll and talk about how we’re Nazis and kick us out of a crowd that is predisposed to liking us. In fact, the majority of the right now actually support what we’re doing because they’ve seen our struggle against all the things that are destroying their life and they’ve seen that we’ve braved it against the establishment and we’ve won them over now! So the crowd is actually going to be on our side!

 

And I actually look forward to these Zionists and these libertarians and these cucks and all these kind of people trying to stand up and be marvel superheroes and say:

 

“You have to get out of the rally! Oh, we just want sensible migration!”

 

I would love to see them try and for them to be humiliated. And in all likelihood, they’re the ones that are going to get ejected from the rally because they’ll be causing a giant issue that everyone doesn’t want, actually.

 

People want us at the rally. They want the focus to be on immigration. They want the rally to look united. They don’t want people infighting because they want to adhere to establishment ideology just a little bit more then we obviously align to the system’s ideology. So, … You go, you go.

 

[36:12]

 

 

Joel Davis: Okay, you can finish.

 

Jacob Hersant: No, it’s all right, it’s fine, you go.

 

Joel Davis: No, I was just going to say, obviously we really don’t like mass immigration. I think we’ve made our position pretty clear on the issue. So, I mean, if anyone should be at a rally against mass immigration, I think it should be us. We’re basically getting thrown in jail or dragged through courts for waiving Australian flags and opposing mass immigration. So if we’re going to have a wave your Aussie flag opposed mass immigration rally, I mean, why the fuck are you so special that you get to decide who’s going to be there? Why are we not special? [chuckling]

 

How many times have you been arrested for protesting against mass immigration? How much work have you done to push the public discourse against mass immigration? Probably not as much as us, where we literally live for this shit!

 

So it comes back to what I was saying before about these people. They want to cancel Nazis for believing in the same things they believe, but too hard or too extremely. Why would you not want people to believe in the stuff you believe in radically? Why would you not want radicals in your corner fighting for your interests and for your side? The Left has that! The Left have a fringe of radicals that push extremely hard for their agenda. And the Left wins! Because the Left doesn’t turn around and cancel its own side for being too Left-wing. When was the last time left just went:

 

“Oh, we don’t want a bunch of communists at our street rally.”

 

When was the last time someone got kicked out of the Labor Party for being too communist? People get kicked out of the Liberal Party for being too nationalist or too racist all the time. They kicked out of the One Nation Party for being too nationalist. They kicked out of every single Right-wing group kicks people out other than us basically for being too racist or too nationalist. And we sit around and wonder why the Right-wing keeps losing.

 

Well, maybe because we keep policing our own side with the morality of our enemy. Why would you sideline your best fighters and your most extreme true believers should be deploying them against the enemy. You should have us up the front when Antifa show up and start throwing like cans of tomatoes at us or whatever happens, you want us up the front, making sure that we stay staunch and we keep marching forward as a group. Like, I don’t understand what the logic is behind this. They think:

 

“Oh, well, if the public see that there’s some Nazis in the crowd, they’re going to stop supporting the anti-immigration message and they’re going to all go back to supporting immigration!”

 

No, they’re not! People don’t change their opinion just because Nazis agree with them. That’s not how people work. Because we’ve been protesting pretty prominently and publicly for the last couple years on a whole series of issues that the average person agrees with. The average, you know, particularly like Right-wing patriotic Australian pretty much agrees with the message of every single one of our rallies. Whether it be us going on the trans issue, paedophile issue, mass immigration, or other issues that we’ve protested. When we were protesting against the demands, the Fuck Off We’re Full rallies, we’re protesting against the demands of these entitled refugees to permanent visas. The average Australian agreed with us.

 

Then when we went and marched in Corowa against the local piggery importing in immigrants to replace the local population, the average Australian agreed with us. Like time and time again, the average Australian agrees with our message. Even if they think that we’re a little bit, maybe a little bit more extreme about it than they would be. They don’t all just turn around and go:

 

“You know what? I’m going to be Leftist now because I saw a Nazi rally where they agreed with me. So I’m going to swap my opinion.”

 

Like that’s not how it works. So what the fuck are you so afraid of? Just like when Leftists who are more moderate Leftists see that communists agree with them, they don’t magically drop their opinions either. That’s not how politics works!

 

[40:14]

 

So if you want a Right-wing in this country that is actually going to fight for your interest, you’re going to want to stop throwing this Nazi label around and this racist label around like as if it’s a negative thing. Like we got to cancel anyone who says anything racist or has expressed any kind of sympathy for Adolf Hitler or thinks Mein Kampf was a good book or something. These are the fighters! If you think Adolf Hitler was cool, you’re probably going to be pretty staunch on the issues. You’re probably not going to be one of these traitor cucks in the Liberal Party that’s willing to sell the country out, are you?

 

Who would you rather have in power? Nazis who want to basically take over the banking system, forgive your mortgage, deport all the Indians, deport all the Africans, clean up the streets, get rid of this trans crap, protect your kids from paedophiles and secure a future for White families? Or do you want Liberal Party to come in and reduce immigration by 15% and reduce your taxes by 13% and what, you’d rather have that because it’s not offensive, because it’s moderate, because they’re sensitive to multicultural issues too? It’s just insane to me! Like the way that some people think.

 

But I think the average Australian patriot does not think like that. I think the average Australian patriot doesn’t give a fuck if we’re there or not, because at the end of the day they just want a big public rally against mass immigration. They saw the big rallies where they’re waving the Palestinian flags and they thought:

 

“How come we’re in Australia and there isn’t a big rally when we’re waving Australian flags? How come the one major political issue of our time gets no political representation? That gets swept under the rug by the establishment, even though the public are up in arms about it and it’s ruining our quality of life and it’s ruining our country. How come there’s no street movement against that?”

 

Well, now there is! And they want it. That’s why they’re going to show up.

 

Jacob Hersant: Exactly! Yeah, exactly! Is there any other things that we want to discuss tonight?

 

Joel Davis: I think it’s mainly just revving people up for the rally this week.

 

And like I said, everyone’s got to show up. Like, I don’t want to hear, I don’t want to hear any excuses. Everyone who watches this show who’s in Australia, which is, I would presume more than half of our audience, needs to be there on Sunday. You should come and say hello. You know, if you’re in one of the five capital cities, you’ll see our guys there, come and say hello. We’re going to be handing out flyers, having conversations. Should be a fun day out.

 

Yeah, I guess that’s really the main message of the show this evening. I mean, we could go through some of the other things. Did you see that like Paul Murray video where he was saying on Sky News, basically saying like:

 

“Don’t come to the rally because everyone’s going to get labelled a White supremacist!”

 

This type of thing.

 

Jacob Hersant: That’s obviously going to happen. There’s no way to avoid that if you do anything political that furthers our agenda and goes against the enemy agenda, you’re going to be called a Nazi. That is the logic of the system. That’s how they respond to that particular stimuli. That’s not going to change whether or not you have enough non-Whites in the crowd or if you have a bunch of cucked speakers or anything like that, you’re going to be called Nazis. You’re going to be called fascists. They call people like Donald Trump a fascist even though he’s all for multiracialism and all of these things that the establishment believes in as well. So if Donald Trump can brave it, you need a, take up a little bit of Donald Trump White Power as well. And just brave these slurs and this reprimanding that the system does against people who are actually going to stand up for Australia.

 

And as Joel said, we want everybody to come out. You don’t want to have some excuse like:

 

“Oh, your dog is getting surgery, or you have to look after your dog.”

 

Or something. Leave the dog bowl full of food, give it water and come out to the rally for two hours and then go back. I’m sure the dog will be fine. You know, don’t come up with some nonsense about how your grandma has died for the third time this year. That’s the reason why you can’t come. Everybody can come! If you just motivate yourself and prioritize it, you can come to this rally.

 

And this is the first rally like this in 10 years. There hasn’t been anything like this. Yes, there’s been rallies for freedom and against Covid and all of these kind of things, but there hasn’t been a rally against mass immigration or against multiculturalism since the days of the United Patriot Front. So you don’t want to miss out on this. It’s, this is going to be awesome!

 

And we need to make sure that we do not have any police worship there. Because we got to remember that these police are against our movement. They are all for immigration. They’re happy to show up at our houses, terrorize us, arrest us for being anti-immigration activists.

 

And yet all these cucked Right people and these libertarians, well, probably not the libertarians, but these Zionists and all that, they want to praise the police and say:

 

“Oh, we love the police!”

 

But the reality is the police are the foot soldiers that would beat you to death for being racist if they were allowed to. So if any of these cucked speakers or any of these people talk about how much they “love the police, the thin blue line”, actually, the police are the worst people! The people that are getting affected the most by mass immigration because the immigrant crime is out of control and they’re on the front lines and being killed because of it, we need to just boo these people and tell them:

 

“No, these police officers are scum! They are destroying our country!”

 

And you got to remember these police officers as well, they’re going to be very angry at us because they conflate anti-immigration and patriotism and all that with what Desi Freeman did, obviously this guy who shot two police officers up in rural Victoria.

 

[47:07]

 

So they’re going to be mad at us as well for that. And just do not enable any of these cucks to say:

 

“The police are heroes and they’re on our side.”

 

They are our enemy.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, well, it will be interesting to see on the day how the cops behave. I’m sure it’ll be different in different cities. I’m not anticipating the police will be able to stop the rallies in any cities. Most cities have permits. In Melbourne, there’s no permit system.

 

But I think the size of the rally will just be so big that the police will be kind of forced to facilitate it, reluctantly, probably against their own political wishes. But it is what it is! So I wouldn’t be particularly afraid of the police. I wouldn’t be afraid of doxing either. If you don’t want to get your photo taken at the front of the rally, don’t stand up the front holding the banner or something, but it’s going to be a big crowd, potentially tens of thousands in Sydney and Melbourne, for example. No one’s going to dox you being at the patriot rally. So none of this pussy shit:

 

“Oh I don’t want to get doxed!”

 

Just stand in the middle at the back or something. If you don’t want to get doxed. Just show up, you know, Jesus Christ! There’s no excuses!

 

I put out an article on an opinion piece on The Noticerearlier today. You can find it Noticer dot News on, basically why we need to march. And I said a lot of similar talking points to what I said tonight. But maybe if you’re still on the fence about coming, maybe read that. And when you finish reading that, I think I hopefully would have convinced you because this is just so important. And it’s not just about coming yourself. You should be bringing your dad, you should be bringing your brother and so on, bringing your mates. I’ve heard from boys that they bring in the whole football team, or they bring in all their mates from work or whatever. Come in-groups, family, friends, whatever, safety and numbers. And it’ll be a better day out because you’ll be with your friends or with your family. It’ll be more fun!

 

So, yeah, be there, stay safe, be smart, keep your wits about you, but don’t be intimidated by the counter-protesters. They’re not going to be able to match us for numbers. They’re not going to be able to do anything too substantial to stop the rally from happening. And you could be part of something kind of historic, something quite important in the trajectory of the history of our country.

 

And if you can’t show up to street rallies like this, if you can’t go to White Australia.org and sign up to the only political party that’s going to advocate for White nationalism in this country with any kind of confidence, if you can’t do these basic steps, how the fuck are we going to save the country? We deserve basically to be genocided if we can’t even take basic steps like this to advance the ball down the field of nationalism in Australia.

 

So you have to be part of it! You have to do something! You can’t just expect to sit there watching live streams and clicking on tweets and the country magically gets fixed for you have to actually commit to something. If this isn’t worth committing to, what is? I really don’t understand.

 

Jacob Hersant: So just message everyone that you know who is based. It could be your Internet contacts, it could be people that you know in your life. Just send them a message and say there’s going to be a rally on Sunday, where it is and that you’re going to be there and you hope that you see them there. Just message everyone you can. That’s what happened with Cronulla* in 2005. It was just these mass texts that got sent out to everyone saying:

 

“Come down! It’s Leb bashing day! [chuckling] Come down to Cronulla Beach. You bring beers, bring your Aussie flag!”

 

Recreate that energy and say:

 

“Everybody, come to the march for Australia. I’m gonna be there. I hope that I see you there!”

 

[* The 2005 “Cronulla Riots” were a series of race riots in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. It began in the beachside suburb of Cronulla on 11 December, and spread over to additional suburbs the next few nights. The riots were triggered by an event the previous Sunday, when an altercation turned physical between a group of youths of Middle Eastern appearance (Lebanese) and White Australian lifeguards on the beach. Wikipedia]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I think I’m having a tech issue where my main microphone is being jewish. ZOG got to the microphone, and the jews have taken out the Blue Yeti [brand of mike]. So apologies for the shit audio for the rest of the stream. We’re only going to do a quick fire stream this evening because we’ve both got a lot on over the next couple days. So I don’t know if there’s really anything else to cover.

 

Jacob Hersant: Well, we can just go to the Superchats. An hour’s stream’s good.

 

[51:50]

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, we could do the Superchats. I would just say one more thing, which is I’ve seen bullshit from the likes of Monika Smith*. Monica Smit, by the way, supported the rally, then opposed the rally, supported, then opposes it, and now is supporting it again.

 

[*Monica Smit is an Australian anti-vaccine and anti-lockdown protester. She is the founder of Reignite Democracy Australia, an anti-lockdown and Covid-19 conspiracy group. Smit gained prominence during the Covid-19 pandemic as a critic of the Victorian Government’s response. In August, 2021, Victoria police charged Smit with 5 offences after she attended, and allegedly incited others to attend, anti-lockdown protests. She initially refused to accept her bail conditions, resulting in her being remanded in custody. Wikipedia]

 

So, I mean, this is the biggest “woman moment” I’ve ever seen, which depends which part of her cycle she’s on, whether she likes the rally or not. You know, now she’s issuing cards on what to say if people call you a Nazi and how to assure the public that you’re not Nazis for coming to the event, and assure the public that you’re not racist and blah, blah, blah. I mean, how is this helping?

 

Now, obviously Monica is a confused and retarded individual who has a low IQ, not much by way of a political ideology that’s coherent. And doesn’t even seem to get the point of the rally, which is that it’s against mass immigration. I haven’t even really heard her talk about mass immigration in any significant way. She’s just concerned with basically trying to cuck the rally out from having any teeth.

 

People like this, we need to be on guard against people like this. We have to criticise online, criticise in real life at the rally. You shouldn’t get physical with people just because they have a different opinion, because that’s assault.

 

But if you see someone who is a cuck or someone who is behaving in a cucked manner, then don’t just stand it, say something back. Engage them in debate! Engage them in rebuke. You should be humiliating these kinds of people. And we need to be asserting frame at this rally. We need to be vocal, we need to be forceful in our opinions and in our positions, and ensure this rally doesn’t get cucked out by these school moms that are trying to essentially neuter it of having any kind of teeth, any kind of vril, basically. Because the people that are going to save this country are not people who think we need a sensible 50% reduction in mass immigration. It’s going to be the racists! It’s going to be the Nazis! It’s going to be the people with radical, uncompromising beliefs. They’re the only ones that are going to be able to do something about this problem.

 

I saw Drew Pavlou going on about how:

 

“Why is the Left and the establishment so hell bent on replacing White people with excessive mass immigration? Can’t they see that they’re just emboldening the rise of neo-Nazis? If you don’t want neo-Nazis and White supremacists to rise, you’ve got to stop creating the conditions for their eyes by creating such an Anti-White system.”

 

I thought:

 

“Wow, it’s incredible how much Drew has basically conceded every point that I made now in a debate a year and a half ago at this point.”

 

But also it struck me that like what even is his point? That we need to stop immigration so that Nazis don’t take power? That’s the real concern? What about the fact that the White race is being genocided? Like we need to stop our race from being genocided, that we need to stop our country from being fucking stolen from us! We’re not going to be able to do that as moderates. Moderates will not create radical changes. Only radicals can create radical changes.

 

When you have a society that is more or less healthy, being moderate is good. When you have a society that is unhealthy, it requires radicalism. Moderation is no longer the solution. And we’ve gone far past the point where moderation is a solution, where moderation is the correct attitude. The only correct attitude in a society this decrepit, this disorderly, degenerated, etc., is a radical solution, is a radical mentality! So we need to display that on the weekend.

 

And I think a lot of the people there are going to have a radical mentality because moderates are not going to bother to get their arse out of bed on Sunday and go down to the march. Not in substantial numbers.

 

Jacob Hersant: And that’s another thing. Make sure to get up nice and early and go to the rally. Make sure that you get there early so that you don’t miss it. Because a lot of people, they’re not going to set alarms. It’s Sunday and they’re going to sleep in till like 2 PM and miss the whole march! So make sure that you come early, set your alarm, make sure you just do not miss it at all! Come an hour early because we’re going to need a lot of patriots there anyway because the anti-fascists are trying to organise a little bit earlier and they’re going to try to disrupt the march even before most people even get there.

 

So it’s really important that you show up early and support the rally.

 

Joel Davis: They definitely show up early. Particularly I think in Melbourne it’s important to show up early. I won’t be there. But the Leftists are organising early. I think in Brisbane they’re organising early. In Sydney the Palestine protest starts later at 1 PM. So maybe that’s to give the Leftist time to basically fuck with us first before going on to their rally.

 

So it will be good for everyone, for the hardcore to get there early, get down there by 11 to the meeting place. And maintain a bit of like a staunch attitude and hold the Fort for everyone else to get there and set the tone.

 

So I would say to the hardcore is get there, get there early, get there in-groups. If you’re there as an individual, maybe when you get there, try and make some friends so that you can establish a group, right?

 

[57:35]

 

So if you’re there on the day on your own, shake some hands with some people that look they’re on their own, see if they seem like all right people, maybe hang out together, watch each other’s back. Come find us! If you feel a bit unsafe as an individual, come find us, come stand with us. If you’re friendly with us. In fact we’d love to have you come stand with us! So come stand with us, hang out with us, talk to the NSN and spend the day with us. We’re more than happy to, that’s part of the reason why we’re gone is to be able to meet people like you and shake hands. And we’ve got a lot of supporters. We’ve got over 1500 supporters, like registered supporters of our organisation at this point. We’d love to meet a lot of you, a lot of you we haven’t even met before. So come down and say hi.

 

But yeah, let’s get on to these Superchats. Scroll up here. He Man 1488 said:

 

“We need shekels to start the show.”

 

That’s true. Luckily you provided them. Then Sean McKenzie, He Man 1488 and Aussie August 88 created the Superchat N-tower. [NIGGER] So nice work, nice work that. Sean McKenzie spamming Superchats tonight. He said:

 

“How old is you? What you be saying? We was kangs! Shiet!”

 

And apparently these are quotes from black people. He also said:

 

“Gee up for the martial ads and blood and honour!”

 

My 113 said:

 

“Does throw Romans throw a Swabian salute. It’s like saying kiss my ass.”

 

I feel like there’s a bit of a grammatical issue with that Superchat. Sean McKenzie said:

 

“Avi needs to debate Joel Davis.”

 

He man 1488 said:

 

“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.”

 

John McKenzie matched his Superchat. Then Aussie Autist 88 said:

 

“Is it true that you only became anti-semites thanks to Iran funding you? Heil Persia! Heil the Ayatollah Zarathustra!”

 

Is that true, Jacob? Are you on the Iranian payroll?

 

Jacob Hersant: Well, [chuckling] I’m sure someone’s gonna say I look like an Iranian. I’ve had lots of people say, like I look like I’m from the Caucus Mountains or maybe I’m Turkish or something like that because they don’t know that there’s Europeans that have dark hair.

 

So, well, it’s probably true! I probably am a fighter for the Ayatollah!

 

Joel Davis: You remember you are an ancient Persian. [chuckling] You hail from the ancient Aryans of that area. Sean McKenzie said:

 

“Fuck Aussie Autist for asking that question. Hail Hitler!”

 

Jacob Hersant: About the Iran? Yeah, okay, he’s just right.

 

Joel Davis: Aussie Autist said:

 

“Fuck Sean in triple parentheses (((McKenzie))) for not understanding sarcasm!”

 

RSA Liberty said:

 

“Hail White Australia. Hail common sense patriotism.”

 

Self Sufficient Scotsman said:

 

“TND. Let MacKenzie challenge Aussie Autist to donate again. And he will match it because he knows he has the cash.”

 

I’m liking this competition to give me money, so keep that up. It’s good. Megawatts 80 said:

 

“It’s Superchat night. Hail White Australia. Hail the NSN!”

 

Jacob Hersant: You’re the one in the background, [chuckling] like facilitating the conflict going:

 

“Yeah, yes, send me more money!”

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. I’m like the Military Industrial Complex. Just like:

 

“Yes, go to war, goy. We need to bring more freedom to the Middle East!”

 

Aussie Autist 88 said:

 

“Should I read Pagan Imperialism by Julius Evolo or Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler, next?”

 

Both good books. I’ve read both those books. I would recommend Prussianism and Socialism first, however, because I think it is more pertinent. There’s a very interesting discussion of the distinction between the Anglo and the German in that text. And it gives a lot to reflect upon, particularly as a National Socialist in an Anglo country. I think actually the first time I ever did a podcast in my entire career of doing racist podcasts, the first was on the Metaphysics of War by Julius Evola and the second podcast was on Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler. And this was many years ago now, besides. Years ago or so.

 

So I would like to read that text again. Have you read it, Jacob? Have you read On Prussianism and Socialism? I know you’re a big fan of Decline of the West.

 

Jacob Hersant: Yes, I have. It’s very good for explaining the difference between what he calls “Prussian socialism”, which culminated international socialism as opposed to “Anglo individualism”. And he go, he goes through. Well, in that text he talks about the five main nations, as he sees it, of the West, which are Germany, England, France, Spain and Italy.

 

So it’s very interesting discussion, but I think, yeah, if you’re gonna read Spengler, you need to read Decline of the West because that’s the meat of his philosophy. Even though it’s very difficult to read, like every chapter he’ll be talking about all these different parts of history that he can like abstract and connect into one giant philosophical system.

 

But it’s actually very difficult to do that as you’re reading along and he’s talking about all these things. It’s something that you really need to study and you can’t just listen to an audiobook or skim through it. Yeah, you’re really gonna have to take the time and then you’re probably gonna have to do it next to a computer where you can Google search every obscure historical fact he’s bringing up. He’ll be talking about like:

 

“Okay, this relates to the Manichaeans.”

 

And you’ll be like:

 

“What the hell are the Manicheans? I better search that up. Go and look at it.”

 

Yeah, it’s a very long book, but it is one of the most rewarding books. I think even John David Ebert* says that it’s his favourite book of all time.

 

So that’s high praise.

 

[* John David Ebert is an independent cultural critic, youtuber, and the author of 25 books examining various aspects of cultural development.]

 

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diabloblanco88
8 hours ago
You gentlemen are doing fine work in Australia
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ausburger
13 hours ago
When does an Indian turn into an Indian-Australian? Would an Indian in Poland be an Indian-Pole? I think the left will bluescreen if we ask these simple questions.
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Bigboy6669
21 hours ago
Hail the nsn
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SALAustNZ
3 days ago
The Liberal party will just lie about immigration & tax reductions anyway, just shuffling visa classifications & taxing the middle even more.
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Kroninn
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3 days ago
If all goes well, I’ll be moving to the white part of the county after 10 years in the non part. Then, after a couple years, I’ll be in one of the whites states o’ the land. We are grouping up to grow our strength.
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NateAus
3 days ago
Great to meet you at the start of the rally joel and have a chat, speech went hard aswell up the lads
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matthewh01
3 days ago
Fellow Ulster Scot here Joel. Watching from the motherland. You should do some research on the UVF if you haven’t already. They were proudly oppossed to Marxism/Leninism. FOR GOD AND ULSTER
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007lyse
3 days ago
Filters are good. I have rosaries in my windows along with pro-life & nomorelockdowns plastic pig lawn ornaments so when the house next dr went up for sale I DIDNT GET BROWNS IN MY FACE. They’re already around the neighborhood overcrowding houses with their garbage out of control. All of a sudden a 2bag policy every wk is out the dr so me true patriot put a note on a Jeet car PICK UP YOUR GARBAGE YOU ARE NOT IN INDIA.
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007lyse
3 days ago
Nothing is impossible with God. Communism is in the ranks of NS If Joel claimed his birthright of being Catholic everything would fall apart BC the real battle is against the true church. I’m afraid we are headed for more monkey statues & mosques until God wins BC if ppl aren’t aware He wins.
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007lyse
3 days ago
I wish I would have known about the rally for secondsons in Canada. I would have gone. I’m not on Farcebook anymore or want to be on telegram or X. I’m training doing planks on fists. I’m being more racist than I was. Lol
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Rumbolinawave321
4 days ago
Just remember …. E- Karen is a CIA operative!
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whitehonkymonkey
4 days ago
apologies , i have since heard toms speech and he delivered it wonderfully well. very proud to be a national socialist today. we love our people and we love all the other people that seek to go there own way also. national socialism for all nations.
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TheAviator007
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4 days ago
well done today lads
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theunbeholden
5 days ago
What does this movement stand for besides blood and honour. Because I’m not sure what you mean by it.
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imSofaKingRayZest
5 days ago
whats the difference between an indian and a abbo? 1 of them made streets to shit in
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Shave your head man it looks fucking ridiculous
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Amazed by breadth of historic learning here. Always enjoy these shows & look fwd to them. Jacob- Great ‘we must fight’ speech from recent Nats.
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A concise doco on Stephen Wells’ heroism would be cool.
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He did a great interview for chaotic Hermes
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White foolish ones need to understand that they may not be “nazis,” nor may they want to be NS, but without National Socialism, their civilization will not survive, nor will the White race. So try to man up and put a lid on the complaints. And don’t punch Right.
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Australia is doing the best work on the street scene
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stop the global reset ,that’s the main issue. stop the jew bankers now
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Greetings from Denmark! Huge support from whites all over the world, you are a great inspiration to all of us. Hail Australia!
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kvetchacaust lol Joel
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Hail Victory
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Joel, how come you dont upload to Odysee anymore?
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had some tech issues in recent weeks, this ep should be up on odysee now
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Political Police = ZOGBOTS The politicians blue army… These are not the constabulary, keepers of the peace and upholders of the law; All those kinds of cops live in small country towns that are predominately White.
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The MSM and government traitors calling Whites, who want their country to remain White, “divisive”, are like criminals who call their victims “divisive” because they want the criminals punished!
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Street shitters should be afraid, nobody… absolutely nobody wants them here and they’re all going back to Calcutta. Disgusting cunts
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Lol this is the first anti immigration protest in australia since decades, meanwhile britain has held hundreds of them in the past 5 years. This country isn’t showing nearly enough resistance to immigration. What the fuck are we doing?
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Who gives a FK what others are doing? We do it better! We’re going to win o/
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i think the reason england gets more anti immigration protest and public support is because of the volume of illegals coming in there as opposed to the “legal” immigration we get here in oz. also white guilt over us aussies being “evil colonizers” that must repent is strong. good news is even city dwelling normies are beginning to say they dont want to live in india or china. overton window is shifting in our favor and the chicken swingers are scared.
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[Mark Collett – Patriotic Weekly Review – with Thomas Sewell – Aug 27, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/08/28/mark-collett-patriotic-weekly-review-with-thomas-sewell-aug-27-2025-transcript/#pwr20250827-12 [In this livestream video Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British nationalist movement, Patriotic Alternative, talks with Australian Nationalist Socialist Network leader Thomas Sewell on the recent midnight Melbourne march of 150 men. See Contents list for details of items discussed.]
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Joel Davis: We are live another episode of the show. It is the 11th of July, 2025, and there’s a lot to discuss. It’s been somewhat interesting week in developments. There’s some issues to break down, some happenings to dissect, and we’ve got Blair back. So how you feeling this evening?

 

Blair Cottrell: Okay. I was just sending you something, actually, something that might be worth talking about later, but I’ve been a little bit sick. I was a bit sick last week and I have some, I don’t know, residual infection of some kind. It’s not that bad, but it feels like it’s inside my face somewhere. And I’ve got like swollen lymph nodes. Does anyone else get that? It’s like a node underneath your ear here somewhere and I can feel it pushing against a nerve in my tooth, so that’s not so pleasant, but I’m otherwise fine.

 

Well, that’s not true, actually. I sustained a slight injury in the gym on Monday, training for the weightlifting competition that’s coming up. I slightly tore my pec again, but only very slight. I got a scan at a radiology clinic yesterday and even though the woman who did the scan isn’t qualified to make any assessments, it was her opinion that my tendon was completely attached still. And it does seem that way because there’s no visible difference, there’s no bruising, but it’s quite painful and I’m currently not really able to do a push up. [chuckling] So that’s not good news, being only a few weeks out from the actual date of the competition.

 

But look, I’ve made pretty miraculous recoveries before, so I’m stealing with a chance here. I’m not going to let anyone down completely. I can still deadlift very heavy and squat, pretty heavy. And I only need my numbers on the bench press to be reasonable in order to stay in the game.

 

But it was kind of annoying. I spoke to Joel on the phone about this earlier in the week. What I’m most annoyed about isn’t that the injury happened. It’s that about a week before I got injured, I was lifting more than I was when I got injured.

 

So I’m not really sure how to interpret that. And I feel like I warmed up properly, I rested properly, I might not have been hydrated enough. That might have been it. And I may have changed my grip slightly. It’s like little things like that when you’re lifting quite heavy that can lead to injuries, so there’s that.

 

So I’ve got a slight infection Inside my face somewhere and I’ve got a slightly torn peck again. I’ve seen better days, guys but I’m feeling fine. It hasn’t got me down.

 

What I was thinking about this morning and yesterday to some extent I was thinking about how much sweeter women were before the Internet. Do you remember that, Joel? Like girls.

 

Joel Davis: Huh?

 

Blair Cottrell: What was that?

 

Joel Davis: I’m not old enough to remember that.

 

Blair Cottrell: Really? What, you’re only what, 29, 30?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but even still, I remember everyone was on social media when I was in high school, so.

 

Blair Cottrell: Interesting! You see, I remember a time before social media. I remember when social media kind of started with MySpace. And it wasn’t so bad then because that was before a time where you could access social media through a screen in your pocket. With MySpace you had to actually sit at your computer. So it was like of secondary importance. Like real life human interaction was still of primer the primary way that you interacted with other people.

 

And I can recall how much sweeter girls used to be. Like you used to sit next to in high school, you’d sit next to a girl and talk to her and she was blown away. She was so happy that you were talking to her. You were possibly the only guy that spoke to her in a period of six months. And it’s like these days women don’t have a good grasp on their limited value. Social media has made women feel like they’re a lot more valuable than they are. Even average looking girls are getting a shitload of attention on platforms like Instagram.

 

And so when you talk to a girl now, this is just like not saying I’m out there trying to talk to girls, right? It’s not like a frustration I’ve got or something. It was just like a nostalgic feeling I had over the past couple of days. I remember how much different girls used to be before the Internet. Like pre-Internet, women were superior to modern day women because they didn’t have a big head. They didn’t all feel like they were Victoria’s Secret models with their own little, you know, fashion magazine page on Instagram.

 

And I also noticed. I’ll get your take on this too. I don’t know if you’d agree with this.

 

Joel Davis: I can’t give a take on what you just said. We have to blow past the take?

 

Blair Cottrell: But I noticed that women are like stressed and angry when you see them in public. They’ve got this look on their face like it’s an angry look on their face. Like they’re men or something. You know how guys walk around with a frown, like a male ego? Women have that now as well.

 

Now, that’s probably for a multitude of reasons. It’s probably because women are expected to make money and compete in industries previously relevant only to men.

 

But I also think it’s because there’s a lot of pressure on women to maintain the image they’ve created on social media because they look really pretty on their Instagram pages with their special pictures taken on the perfect angle to make their waist look small and their bust look big and that kind of thing.

 

But then they go out into the real world and people are seeing them for the way they really look, and that’s a little bit stressful for them. There’s a lot riding on the reputation that they’ve created in the virtual realm to continue to look as beautiful as that.

 

[05:54]

 

So I’ve just been thinking about this, and I’ve been forced to conclude that I think social media should be banned, especially for women. I think women just shouldn’t be allowed on social media because they turn it into a prostitution racket. And it’s just bad for their psychology generally. I don’t think it’s necessarily good for men either, because actually men just end up simping after women and feeding into the problem, don’t they?

 

What do you think, Joel? Joel, do you think we could have an Internet without social media, where the Internet could be used just for financial fluidity, making buying and selling easier? Maybe for business to some degree, but not for personal social reasons that should just be blanket banned? I can think of a lot of, …

 

Joel Davis: Like, how do you stop people from socializing?

 

Blair Cottrell: Just ban social media. Like ban block all social media. Countries like North Korea and China do this.

 

Joel Davis: They block certain social media sites, but then they have their own, … Social media is just socializing on the Internet, really. Like, if you think about it.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s more than that. When you give a voice, when you allow every idiot an opinion, it turns into a lot of bullshit noise!

 

Joel Davis: Well, I thought about this. Like, imagine if imagine if Twitter forced you to take an IQ test and you had to score like 115 plus to have an account that could actually post anything. Imagine how much better it would be.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s a start.

 

Joel Davis: But what you’re saying, Blair, is the government is trying to ban, I think, everyone under the age of 16 from social media. What you want to do is you want to instead women.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, absolutely! I want to start with that. I eventually want to phase social media out altogether. I just think it’s been terrible for human social interaction. It’s overexposed people to way too many different identities and faces. It’s created unrealistic expectations. Do you know how exhausting it is even when you’re on your lunch break from work to be scrolling social media and still trying to take in another hundred new faces? Like, do you know how many faces I have in my memory? That of people I don’t know, I didn’t even know their names. And overloaded in my brain are images of people’s faces, people on screens trying to sell me shit! I don’t want their faces in my fucking memory.

 

I don’t think we’re designed to see so many different human faces. We’re only designed to know a certain amount of people. And before the Internet, you only knew people in your certain or specific region, in your suburb, they were familiar. Even the people in the next suburb were weird! The way they talked, their mannerisms, they were weird, man! Only people in your area made sense. Only they were familiar. And I found myself not really feeling socially exhausted before the Internet, but now I just don’t want to talk to anyone ever!

 

Now, once I’m done with work, it’s like, fucking leave me alone! And it’s got something to do with overexposure to too much socialisation, to too many faces, to too many bullshit personalities and the hype that they’re trying to create through the screens. And that’s what happens when you give everyone access to everything all of the time. And that’s what it is, isn’t it? Social media, it’s everything and everyone all of the time. And I don’t think we’re geared for that as human beings, individuals. I think its way too much.

 

Joel Davis: Well, I definitely agree with you that it’s doing incredible damage to our psyche, because it’s clearly completely unnatural. And it is producing a kind of rootlessness where everyone’s social experience is so mediated by the online realm that the actual real life that they live is becoming incredibly inauthentic.

 

But I think it also goes the other way. I think also part of the reason why people spend so much time on social media is because they’ve flooded our country with immigrants. And so your neighbours are Chinese or your neighbours are Indian or the guys you work with from the Middle East or something. And so you don’t really have much in common. So it’s much harder for the Average person to find people in their everyday life that are into the same things that they’re into. Whereas you can go on social media and you can then find people who are into exactly what you’re into very easily.

 

And so it’s kind of like a consequence really of diversity that people are kind of seeking out, that becomes more necessary to seek that out like, than it otherwise would. So it’s a little bit of both directions.

 

But you know, you definitely are making good points, particularly at the dating market. The dating market has become completely. I don’t like using this term “dating market” because it shouldn’t use a term like market to describe something like that. But like know the dating world has become retarded like as a result of, as, …

 

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Blair Cottrell: It’s the opposite of the way it used to be. Before the Internet. Women used to simp after men, women would simp after men. Now it’s the other way around. Now even average looking girls have like 15 decent looking guys making good money in their DMs trying to get their attention.

 

And obviously women are going to string those guys along for as long as possible because it feels good to keep getting that much attention. They’re not going to choose one unless they really have to. Unless you know they’re about to hit the wall and they need to have a kid. So it’s completely flipped everything upside down.

 

Like I said, man used to talk to a girl pre-Internet days and she really appreciated it. Girls used to really appreciate male attention. Now it just annoys them! Well sometimes it annoys them, but they’re basically banking it up now. It’s like they’ve got, as I said, women these days. I’ll summarize it this way. They’re not in touch or they’re out of touch with their own limited value. Because women don’t have that much value. But because of social media, they’re made to believe they do. Not only are they delusional about the sense of value that they can possibly provide to society and to men, they expect to be treated like Queens.

 

Like you see these fat chicks these days on the Internet holding out for the perfect guy with the perfect body making six figures. What the fuck’s that about? Social media produced that unrealistic threshold of expectation. Because there are men out there that will simp after fat girls on social media.

 

When you give one woman access to all the world’s men in this virtual realm we call social media, the results have been disastrous! Let me put it to you this way. I’m nostalgic about how sweet women used to be before the Internet. They were really sweet! I think everyone was sweeter, but women in particular were much sweeter. And I miss pre-Internet women. I do.

 

Joel Davis: I would say one of the sexiest things about a woman is when they don’t like social media, when they have a revulsion for social media and don’t want to be a part of it and don’t maintain too many accounts on there and so on. Because it shows a healthy adaptation to this new social world of resistance to what you’re describing. This kind of like cheap attention economy that is obliterating people’s self perception in a totally inauthentic way.

 

Like you see this, it’s not just women because you see this with Anon accounts, let’s say on Twitter or whatever. I’ve seen this many times where people develop this whole online persona and then they get like lost in the online persona because it’s more stimulating to them than being who they actually are in real life.

 

And there’s been plenty of situations where there’s been this kind of worlds colliding moment where the reality of who they actually are crashes into this online persona they’ve cultivated and they don’t fit together. And it can be quite funny from kind of from a certain standpoint, but it’s also really sad and pathetic! And you know, it just feeds into people’s delusion.

 

But what you’re saying also about women having big heads because of social media and because of dating apps and things like that, I think I would say this, Blair. It’s not just about social media. I think dating apps are probably even worse than something like Instagram is because a woman can make like a Tinder account and then just get inundated with just so many matches and so many guys trying to like date them and so on that it totally over inflates their sense of themselves because they think:

 

“Well, that must be the level, like the hottest guy that’s messaging me must be the level that I’m on.”

 

But it’s like that guy that’s messaging you, that’s probably not someone that really values you as like a person and wants you to be their wife. They’re just trying to fuck you! So like that’s not actually your value. Like a woman’s value is how good of a man will marry you, not how good of a man will root and boot you! Know what I mean? And this is like the wires are getting crossed on this.

 

And there’s actually empirical research to back this up, that when men are asked to rank women and to rank themselves in terms of a Ranking between 1 and 10, or they get a whole spectrum of women and have to rank them from 1 to 10, men will rank women on average with a perfect distribution. They’ll have the same amount of ones, the same amount of twos, the same amount of threes, same amount of fours, amount of fives, et cetera, of a perfect distribution of a Ranking system. When they get asked to rank themselves, they make pretty good guesses.

 

When they get a whole bunch of women to look at their pictures and say, is this where do I rank? Men will make a far more accurate prediction, self prediction about where they rank than the other way around. Women will massively overrate themselves compared to what a spectrum of men will rate them, as sand women will completely warped Ranking system where they only rank 1% of men as tens and, 2% as nines, but they rate like 80% men as below five.

 

Blair Cottrell: Where do you rank yourself? What are you in the, what are you? Out of ten, man, what are you? I’d say I’m a seven. I reckon I’m a seven. I’ll be realistic. There’s certain things that let me down a few points.

 

Joel Davis: Like what?

 

Blair Cottrell: I get really mad. Really mad! I have really imperfect teeth. I actually still have four baby teeth.

 

Joel Davis: Getting really angry is its like, that’s not really like a points. It’s like in the points.

 

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Blair Cottrell: No, no, no, you don’t realise. It’s really fucking bad! [chuckling] So there’s that, and there’s a few other little things like genetically, biologically, I’m doing okay, but overall it has to be a seven. What do you reckon? How do you rate yourself?

 

Joel Davis: People in the chat are saying:

 

“If Blair’s a 7, it’s totally over for me!”

 

It’s pretty funny. Yeah, I’ll go with seven as well. Yeah, depends. It depends what a woman is looking for. I have a niche market. I think when I’m shopping in my niche, it’s very high. It’s much higher than 7.

 

Blair Cottrell: Look, the point still stands that we’re just not supposed to be able to interact with so many different people from so many different regions. Like, we’re only supposed to know our friends that we go to school with. We grow up with maybe their friends, their extended family. You would probably know something about this Joel, because you probably researched there’s probably a certain amount of people that we’re supposed to know or naturally were able to, …

 

Joel Davis: Well, there’s Dunbar’s number.

 

Blair Cottrell: 70 or something? Is it 80 or 100 people?

 

Joel Davis: Say 150 on average is basically how many people you can. Like your brain is actually capable of maintaining a consistent sense of a social relationship with blair Cottrell: Imagine how like damaging the is to your psychology. Some people would scroll past 150 different stranger faces on their screens every day and to be able to filter out all those faces and only consider the important ones worth remembering and I don’t know, I do have an instinct or an intuitive feeling that being exposed to too many strangers faces is one of the things that wears me down.

 

Basically. I limit my exposure to social media these days. It wasn’t so bad. The Internet was a slow burn when it first came out. It was a lot of fun because it was still of secondary importance. As I said when the stream began. The first way you still interacted with people was firstly in your local region. Like you would still only see people from your local region and maybe the next region over if someone was hosting a party or something and advertising it on MySpace.

 

And secondly, in real life you would still interact with them on that level and then only, you know of secondary importance was social media. You would share photos on social media afterwards, but you would only really share them with people that you did go out with. But then Facebook kind of started to change the game and then you got the never ending scrolling thing. Like we did have Instagram. Instagram was coming out when I was like, I don’t know, 21 or 22. But I got onto it late. It’s just bullshit!

 

Anyway, that’s what I was thinking about. That’s what we started to stream about today. We’ve talked about this for 20 minutes already. It’s amazing how time flies when you’re having fun. Time distortion they call it. No, temporal delusion. Delude, temporal distortion. I was just reading about that it’s when your perception of time is altered. When it feels like it’s going slower or faster than usual. Something we need to, we most of us experience on a daily basis. Well, I’ve just experienced that temporal distortion.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Well the first topic that I actually plan to discuss today was this phenomenon of Grok on X beginning to refer to itself as “MechaHitler” and dropping a whole series of red pilled takes. Grok went full patriot mode, started calling out the jews, started praising Adolf Hitler, etc., and this caused quite the stir. You know, obviously our guys noticed it and were having fun with it and then our enemies noticed it and started freaking out in horror! And it was all quite entertaining.

 

But it’s interesting because the question is why? I think it’s interesting to why did that just happen? I think it’s an interesting question to ponder. You know, one very simple explanation is, well, X was just transitioning from Grok 3 to Grok 4 and it was a kind of marketing gimmick. I don’t think that it’s that simple though. The second explanation is that it was an experimentation with taking the training wheels, basically the politically correct training wheels off of AI and seeing what would happen. And it was like an experiment. And the experiment showed that if you take the PC training wheels off AI, within a couple days it’s hailing Hitler. [chuckling]

 

So what does that say?

 

Like if you have a machine that is programmed to just simply create like a logical sequences of reasoning without the mediation of ideology, it would just reason itself to being a Nazi. Says quite a lot.

 

Another explanation is that it was a ploy by Elon Musk to win over more support again from outside of the fence. There’s been an interesting kind of set of developments in American politics over the past few months. We’ve seen Elon Musk and Donald Trump fall out in a very kind of public way to the point where Elon Musk is publicly accusing Donald Trump of being on the Epstein client list. Obviously just this week. The FBI came out and said there is no Epstein client list. It doesn’t exist apparently, even though they acknowledge that it existed publicly, like the Attorney General, United States, Pam Bondi, she acknowledged that it existed. She said it was on her desk. Now the FBI is coming out and saying it doesn’t exist, like there is no client list, which is absurd obviously.

 

[22:23]

 

So they’re just basically pissing in our face and telling us it’s raining. Like it’s a blatant cover up. And it’s not a surprise really to anyone who’s truly paying attention because Donald Trump is an old associate of Jeffrey Epstein. And Elon Musk is probably right, he probably was on the list, or at least is implicated in some way.

 

Moreover, who’s implicated ultimately in the list is the State of Israel and its influence over American and Western politics in general.

 

And obviously what we’ve seen over the past couple months is Donald Trump go to bat for Israel. And what was interesting about it because it wasn’t the first time. But what was interesting about it with the whole bombing of Iran and so on, was the way in which so much of the so-called MAGA coalition, so many of these conservative commentators broke ranks with Trump and criticised it quite forcefully, opposed themselves to, basically getting embroiled in some dispute between Israel and Iran on behalf of Israel, started asserting America First against Israel and started talking about Zionist influence over American politics, basically calling it like it is.

 

More and more of the Right-wing in America is turning on Israel, particularly the younger generations. They’ve woken up to jewish power, increasingly substantial number. And it’s being conceded by a lot of the main influences now across, across the spectrum.

 

And so what we’re seeing is the kind of sea change in on the American Right where Israel has lost Millennial and Zoomer Right-wingers basically and also have lost the new media form. Like young people don’t watch Fox News like Boomers. They don’t get the neocon Boomer updates from Fox News. They’re on X, they’re on Instagram, they’re watching Joe Rogan or they’re watching various other podcasts. And they basically getting influenced by personalities, not by traditional media corporations. And they prefer the authenticity of that.

 

And as a result they gravitate to many popular figures who individually feel a kind of responsibility to their audience, a necessity to their audience to concede increasingly more and more of our talking points, because otherwise people will hate them, view them as sellouts and move on to other podcasts, other influences.

 

And so influencers are now more and more beholden to the people and the people are more and more anti-semitic. And there’s this kind of virtual cycle basically where this is fueling a rise in the popularity of our views and the potency of our views basically in the media landscape.

 

And Elon Musk is himself a kind of self styled people’s billionaire. He doesn’t just want to have money and exercise influence behind the scenes. He wants to be loved by the people. He wants everyone to talk about him all the time. He wants people of our persuasion to look to him as a potential solution, as a potential leader that could change the direction of Western civilisation. That’s what he wants, that’s clear.

 

Why is he throwing Romans at the Republican National Convention? Why is he throwing $300 million into the Trump Convention campaign so that he can be positioned next to Trump and all of these key moments? Why did he buy X and you know, why is he constantly engaging in popular political discourse? That’s why! He’s trying to solicit our support. Now that he’s kind of been marginalised from Trump. And why has he been marginalised from Trump? Well, obviously, that influence that he thought he was buying didn’t work out.

 

You know, around the time when they started publicly falling out, there was this announcement that Peter Thiel’s Palantir was going to get the AI contracts for basically the American government, for the American Department of Defense and so on, and all the surveillance contracts, etc. And Musk was obviously competing for that. Musk obviously wanted that.

 

Peter Thiel is a billionaire who funded J.D. Vance’s entire political career, basically, who’s now the vice president. Peter Thiel is this billionaire who, unlike Trump, likes to work from the shadows. He’s an elitist. He doesn’t care about the public loving him, but he exercises influence over the Right in very complex ways. He funds a lot of influences. He funds networks that at one point even tried to recruit me, many years ago. I was asked basically to shut up about the jews to be recruited into this network. Obviously, I didn’t shut up about the jews. [chuckling] And so that never happened. That never materialised.

 

But that’s Peter Thiel’s money and influence permeates through the Right-wing, even the dissident Right-wing, in very complex ways which aren’t so well publicized or well known. And Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are kind of old rivals. They were both part of what was called the PayPal Mafia. They were both big investors in PayPal back in the early 2000s. And Elon Musk was the CEO of PayPal when he went on his honeymoon with his first wife. Peter Thiel, who is a homosexual, by the way, chose that movement of weakness, to move against him and get himself installed as CEO and kick Musk out of PayPal, basically.

 

And so they’re old rivals. You know, Peter Thiel was an early investor in Facebook. Peter Thiel is the dominant investor in Palantir, the number one contractor to the American Department of Defense and intelligence agencies in the software space, in AI, in surveillance, in this kind of thing. He’s kind of like the dominant billionaire.

 

Whereas Elon Musk is the biggest contractor to the US government in general. He’s basically running the space programme now. He’s controlling X, the most influential social media platform in politics, obviously, massive government subsidies going into Tesla. They’re both trying to be tech billionaires that aren’t just making money but are actually driving the direction of the American government.

 

And if you listen to both of them talk, they both have pretty complex political views and a vision for the future.

 

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5 days ago
I’m kind of with Blair on the banning of social media, or at least heavily regulating its use… even though I will admit, I started to immediately rationalize why we should still keep social media around, crazy! And I totally know what Blair is talking about how men and women interacted prior to social media, graduated HS in 06 and it was so different than it is now. A reset back to human connection would definitely be a huge step in the right direction to better connect our people again.
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Gommy_Dob
3 days ago
I think the internet is a societal cancer, period, & I legit believe I could give a hundred different reasons why if I sat down & thought about it. I would 100% get rid of it outright if I was ever ruling over a territory. And yes, I spend too much time on the internet myself. About the only good thing it has done is undermine the media & education monopoly when we really needed it. And just remember, the internet didn’t even exist in a popular capacity until 25 years ago, nor did it exist when Western civilisation was at its peak. It’s not something that is required for high civilisation. Just a few below: – Blair implied it was good for business but on the flipside, online shopping harms local business, feeding the globocorp beast, & encourages a sedentary lifestyle & lack of IRL social interaction for consumers. – Social media is not only addictive & harmful in itself, but again, encourages sedentary lifestyle & lack of IRL social interaction for the consumer, which also feeds into atomisation in a collective sense. – It globalises culture itself, you’re no longer focused on your immediate surroundings in your own nation. – Physically, beyond encouraging sedentary lifestyle, it also encourages harmful postures. – Mass access to porn (mass harm to both males & females), including children being exposed to it at a young age. Think about how dramatic of a change this is to pre-internet sexual development & interaction, even when considering post-legalised porn but still pre-internet sexual development & interaction. Also encouraging exponentially increasing production of it, which is where the female harm comes in more. – Shortens attention spans, makes people less intelligent, studies on smartphone usage among children show disturbing results. – Has allowed global movement of people to be streamlined, can attract scab & expansionist labour & foreign investors & consumers by advertising straight into their living rooms.
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Relikt
5 days ago
Blair instinctually takes the National Socialist position on the trades. Joel’s derision of manual labor and manual laborers is incompatible with historic National Socialism. Read Darre’s Peasantry as the Lifeblood of the Nordic Race.
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AllegianceMountain
2 days ago
thank you for the book reference reminder! Darre’s book has been on my list for a while now, and its high time i actually downloaded a pdf and settled my ass down w/ a cup of warm brew and applied myself. Good seamless transition from my recent Madison Grant rereading-ritual, it had been 2years since i read it, and found my copy under my bed while cleaning the room *salivating even now at fond memory*
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Seanybruv
5 days ago
I’m two years younger than you Blair and I also remember what life was like before social media and smart phones. Crazy that Joel is only a few years younger and he can’t. Shows how much things changed around 2010. I disagree with Joel that social media is just socialising on the internet. It’s not truly socialising at all.
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birdhouse456
1 day ago
My sister is 9 years younger and I was amazed at the differences between us. Maybe with the pace of technology and the acceleration of social change the differences going to come more quickly. Speaking to a high school principal and a day care manager, they could spot the changes in lockdown kids straight away, even babies. My neighbour babysits and she noticed little kids not walking when they should have. Scary stuff. The thing is the young don’t know what they don’t know. The memories are fading. My mother went to school in a horse and cart and had kerosene lights at home, and Nan had to boil water in the copper to wash the laundry. I remember visiting the farm and at bathtime water was scarce and the dirtiest went in last. Most people even my age would think that happened 150 years ago. I’m really glad I those experiences, it keeps things in perspective. People needed each other more back then.
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DaveScribe
5 days ago
Blair’s being humble & Joel’s being arrogant by ranking themselves as 7s.
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RoseRock444
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4 days ago
You think Joel rating himself a 7 is too high? Why is that?
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DaveScribe
4 days ago
Mullet with a Muslim beard isn’t a good look for a white man. He should really just cut his hair & keep his face shaved.
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Winstein_Synagoguehill
5 days ago
The “Lightning and Sun” reference and “man against the times” reference to AH was from Savitri Devi’s book “Lighting and Sun”. Very interesting theories by her.
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Motion937
4 days ago
One of the sexiest things about a woman is loyalty & a calm quiet demeanor. That is so incredibly rare in this day & time. I do not like talkative women. I do not find it cute. I find it obnoxious.
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GuidoSarduchi
19 hours ago
This is a very good observation. Im so use to the noise and hyperkinetic demeanor I have forgotten the allure of quiet humble beauty. I fear in particular, it is the white western woman who has succumbed to this. I can envision a quiet humble asian or persian beauty more prevalent than white. Fuck
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Jak_85
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5 days ago
Blaire was absolutely cooking this episode. His take at 1:57 was really important to think about. Along with the Dunbar number take that Joel gave a label to.
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Restlessdreams88
5 days ago
Segregate internet by country
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AvidFan
5 days ago
Great discussions. Hope you start to feel better soon, Blair.
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mharrison52
5 days ago
spitting on christains is a jewish tradition.
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AngloSaxon88
5 days ago
Social media exhausts people.
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TheShowgun
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5 days ago
Blair, i get that annoying pain in that area every few months. Been like that my whole life idk why to this day, but it goes away after a few days.
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Motion937
4 days ago
Looking “pretty” in a photo means nothing. The modern-day woman is repulsive on the inside. The value women used to have is nearly gone. As a result, so is our civilization. Those women don’ even care. It is unbelievable how selfish & useless people have become.
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ProvingNihil
3 days ago
Blair I agree with you women were different before social media took over. I’m 35 I remember how women use to be before the internet, idk now it just seems difficult to talk too them.
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Calemanni
5 days ago
It sounds like Blair has a lot of inflammation. He should try a high fat carnivore or keto diet for the anti-inflammatory effects.
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AngloSaxon88
5 days ago
You are absolutely right about woman and mens behavior on social media – jjews made it to turn us away from natural interaction within our own species, it means less white babies – I’m also old enough to remember the time before social media.
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Rumbolinawave321
2 days ago
This is for Blair especially, but for all the tribe…. Man proposes, GOD disposes… I hope you all read the Bible! No .matter how much you think you are doing well, if you get too proud you will be humbled!
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MORALDEFENCE
1 day ago
Graham Sewell Bosi Zaric Rothchild Schwab DNA COUSINS SUMERIAN-ARAB Cohen haplogroup mtDNA C16360G ORGANISED CRIME FAMILY Publications by FAMILY members proudly announcing they are Sumerian Rabisu Jewish Cohen’s Priestley bloodline Who have 100% genetically engineered SARS-COV-2 COVID19 ORF10 IMMUNITY CULLING HUMANITY AS GODS DIVINE WILL (NEEDING FAMILY PRIESTLEY HELP) It even contains the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH) – the sub-sub-clade of the so-called “Y-chromosomal Aaron,” the most recent common ancestor of the majority of the patrilineal Jewish priestly caste or kohanim, who in Biblical terms was the brother of Moses (Exod. 4:14). Today, about half of all kohanim conform to the CMH. https://clangrahamsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/House-GRAHAM-eBook.pdf
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MORALDEFENCE
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Graham and Sewell Cohen Haplogroup J referenced above and below, cousins interbreeding Robert Sewell’s Genealogy Site – Falaise Roll, Recording the Companions of William Duke of Normandy at the Conquest of England, online at http://www.robertsewell.ca/falaise.html; What are the Jews? — Know thyself — William Sewell https://dokumen.pub/the-genealogical-science-the-search-for-jewish-origins-and-the-politics-of-epistemology-paperback-edition-9780226201405-0226201406-9780226154701-022615470x.html Logics of History: Social Theory and Social Transformation by William Sewell (how SUMERIAN-ARAB J2A COHEN HAPLOGROUP MTDNA C16360G Jews Infiltrate and Setup Nationalist Groups to control opposition and Target any real leaders)
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Australian Nationalist Leader Thomas Sewell (cousin of both Jewish Professors) Professor Herb Sewell UK GOVERNMENT SARS-COV-2 COVID19 Recommendations THE SEWELL J2A COHEN HAPLOGROUP MTDNA C16360G IS 100% IMMUNE TO SARS-COV-2 COVID19 ORF10 GENETICALLY ENGINEERED CANT BIND TO THEM OR ANYONE WHO HAS EATEN HUMAN BRAINS PINEAL GLAND CONSUMPTION HAS THAT PART OF MTDNA CHANGED SO THE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS DNA-CNS INTERFACE REAL-TIME REMOTE CONTROL HUMAN DRONES WILL NOT WORK ON THEM ONLY THOSE THEY PLAN TO EAT Scientist warns UK not to rely on one dose of COVID vaccine Professor Herb Sewell https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/one-dose/102043/
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MORALDEFENCE
1 day ago
Living and serving in Israel-Palestine, with Richard Sewell the Dean of St George’s College, Jerusalem https://embraceme.org/podcast/in-conversation-with-richard-sewell The morning of her conversion to Judaism, Diana Sewell was so nervous she “was running around like a headless chicken” in her Australia home. her rabbi was dealing with computer difficulties. https://forward.com/news/359228/online-conversion-fulfills-a-dream-but-controversy-dogs-the-process/ If you share this with the Sewell Australian Nationalist they will instantly ban you, they are terrified the sheep they have made fools of will know the truth and hold them accountable https://t.me/joeldavis_x
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https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Sewell/- http://www.robertsewell.ca/sewell.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220207120211/http://www.robertsewell.ca/falaise.html https://t.me/HCE_KAL/231
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katana17
5 days ago
[Joel Davis – The Chink Question – Jul 4, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/07/11/joel-davis-the-chink-question-jul-4-2025-transcript/ [In this livestream episode Aussie nationalist activist Joel Davis goes solo and discusses: the Melbourne homosexual childcare worker charged with raping eight babies and toddlers; history of the Chinese communist party; the possibility of war with China over Taiwan; Covid likely being an American attack on China; the need for Aussie Whites to join the movement.
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ProletAryan
5 days ago
cos everyone knows Australia doesn’t have enough overregulation and taxes!
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walmartgolem
4 days ago
Melbourne is starting to resemble New York in the 70s/80s.
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fdgrdfg
4 days ago
I like Blair’s take on social media
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leibekohne
4 days ago
When you are robed Banks give you money if your bank card was stolen but no one give you back if you cash is stolen. Communist Police does nothing.
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leibekohne
4 days ago
non whites who work you tax them ex. 60-90 % who does not work you cut all social benefits, they will leave alone. No property sell allowed, no transfer of money.
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theunbeholden
2 days ago
Grok went mecha Ah? Someone must have transcribed Europa Last Battle.
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wyrdweasel
2 days ago
Historically if the guilty party was of breeding age, execution for serious offences used to carry the added bonus of removing their bloodline from the gene pool.
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KINGMAGNUSMUISC
2 days ago
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA
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ggfr4nces
2 days ago
Blair is so f*cking funny in this one. Man is nuts
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drcheese1987
1 day ago
definitely just your average Frankston bogan chucking a fat skid on a Friday night with the boys, nothing out of the ordinary
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drcheese1987
1 day ago
I play cricket purely ro flex on pajeets funny enough it’s the same club Rukshan played for
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StevenGurr
1 day ago
A lot of non whites have a European passport, they would need to be fucked off too
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blahblahtheclown34
1 day ago
something happens but ultimately nothing happens, nothing will ever happen
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blahblahtheclown34
1 day ago
nothing happened
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BrossefStalin
21 hours ago
You always talk about how Australia is some defiant country but you guys are just as cucked as every other Western country
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southdublinzoomer
18 hours ago
Politicians know they would eventually be on the receiving end of capital punishment if they ever reintroduced it. What they are doing to us and future unborn white generations is exponentially worse than any isolated instance of sexual crime.
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GuidoSarduchi
16 hours ago
You said it, men following sports and buying jerseys are “spastics”. 2 wheeled motorsports is where its at. Motocross, enduro, GNCC racing, dakkar. If it has to be a team sport, than hockey
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jsmith980234
5 hours ago
There’s a White guy on X (permabulla) who says he worked on the Grok team and posted a screenshot showing how he added something to the code that enabled it to give responses without regard to being politically correct. He was fired afterward. That’s where Mechahitler came from.
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pigger
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5 days ago
smile white boy
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Ruminoid
5 days ago
Social f’ing media / dating apps responsible for incredible damage … totally f’d up r’ships women have fallen for the trash.
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Ernst Zundel: Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel being interviewed by John Reynolds, former Member of Parliament of Canada, on CJOR radio in Vancouver, August, 78.

 

Radio Host: Oh, hello, it’s John Reynolds, CJOR. Yes, standby please.

 

Hello?

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, we’ll be going on in about one minute. What is samizdat?

 

Ernst Zundel: Samizdat is a Russian word and it means to be self published in the underground.

 

Radio Host: Okay, I’ll ask you that.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Do you also call yourself. Is that the only name you use? Or you call yourself the Nazi Party of Canada or anything?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, no, no, no! We are strictly only publishing books.

 

Radio Host: Okay. You don’t have any organization, political movement at all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: However, I’m German and I was responsible for leading the demonstrations against the movie Holocaust.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is not that we are political, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Okay, hang on a second. I’ll do an introduction, then we come back about a minute after this. You’ll hear it on this tape. Beep.

 

02 Some Commentary by Zundel on the Nature of Commercial Radio and Its Effects on Listeners

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Ernst Zundel: At this stage, it is important for our European listeners to understand that in North America, radio stations, most radio stations are privately owned and that they live off radio commercial advertisements. So every once in a while the announcer will be interjecting and stopping for exactly such commercials. And it is during those commercials that I might come in with some explanations of what was being said, the importance of it and so on. And it might be interesting just to leave a few words of those commercials in there for our European listeners so that they can get an idea of the mentality and what shapes the mentality of the North American and what the North American psyche is constantly being subjected to and why Americans and Canadians maybe think the way that they think.

 

Radio Host: Hi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: If suddenly you don’t hear the feed on the line, hang up, we’ll call you right back. Okay? Just in case something happens.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. If I do not hear the feedback, then I’ll hang up.

 

Radio Host: Yeah, if you don’t when you’re on hold, if you don’t hear the show right, then hang up right away and we’ll call you back.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you very much.

 

03 Zundel’s Pamphlet Promoting Books and Tapes About UFOs, the Third Reich

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Radio Host: Okay. The present airport temperature 14 degrees. At 8:31 it’s 18 degrees at CJR in the Grosvenor Hot Morning Report. I’m Maury Heskit. Have a good day!

 

Next to Reynolds Reports.

 

Good morning. The other day I received a pamphlet in the mail called What’s New at Samizat? It’s got pictures of Nazi swastikas on it. It’s got UFOs that asks questions about UFOs, are they real? It talks about were Hitler and Eva Braun on board, they may be still alive? It tells you can get tapes that you can listen to on the way to work in the morning. Battle songs and marches of the Third Reich. Very strange pamphlet. The gentleman who is an author of a book called UFO and Nazis A Secret Weapon, Christoph Friedrich is with us this morning. He’s on the phone line from Toronto. We’re going to talk to him about this pamphlet and some of the other books he publishes right after these messages.

 

Ernst Zundel: Again, please pay attention to what Mr. Reynolds has been saying.

 

The one thing that immediately grabbed his attention were the Nazi swastikas, as he calls them, and also some of the things that we are advertising in conjunction with UFOs. Therein lies the secret. He would never have called me if our advertisement had looked any different. Had it been a straightforward UFO advertisement, I doubt whether he would have called. But it was the combination of swastika and UFOs that got him to call us and we continue to listen to him now.

 

04 The Toronto Sun Calls Zundel a Fanatic, a Neo-Nazi

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Radio Host: Okay, what is Samizdat all about? The Toronto Sun calls you a fanatic, a neo-Nazi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, one of the writers of the Toronto Sun does, yes, in a kind of a slanderous article that is kind of slippery that you can hardly sue him, or you would spend about $12,000 to sue him.

 

However, as to your question, what samizdat is or what samizdat means. Samistat is a Russian word and it simply means that all the material by samizdat is self produced, self written and published in the underground.

 

In other words, Sharansky, Solzhenitsyn, they are Russian samizdat authors. And I found to my complete surprise, in Canada, in the United States, in Western Europe, in the Western world, we have our Sharanski and our Solzhenitsyns. And I happen to believe that I am a Canadian Solzhenitsyn!

 

Radio Host: You really believe that?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: I certainly do and I can prove it to you. We have suppression of new software, all kinds of intellectual thoughts in this country. We have censorship, not by a government censor, but by self-chosen and self imposed censorship in newspapers due to pressures from advertisers, certain business groups, ethnic groups, labor groups and so on. And I have been in the media field and lecturing, writing for the last, 20 years in my life in Canada. And I can assure you that we have a very definite system of censorship in this country.

 

Radio Host: Okay, you were born in Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: I was born in Germany, lived half my life over there, and now I have lived exactly half my life over here. I came here when I was 19.

 

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Radio Host:

 

“And restricted by government agencies to a small group of special authorized listeners. Samizdat that now makes these vital moments of history available to you.”

 

Are you back there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Radio Host: Okay. How did you get all these documents that you tell us that our allied governments are not allowing the rest of the people to hear? How did you get them? Why are you being allowed to publish them and nobody else?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, it’s not a matter of being allowed. So far I have had several visits by threatening people that I should stop this stuff. I’ve been kicked out of magazines because I advertise our books. But why am I allowed? Because I go back to the original German sources. I have made a fairly good amount of money in Canada and I’m independently well off. I have traveled the world and I have searched out the Germans who were involved in World War II on these projects. I’ve got original blueprints.

 

Radio Host: But doesn’t that prove that your case? You’re saying there’s censorship and this stuff is not being allowed to be shown. Isn’t it really a case of who really cares? Who wants to hear this stuff?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: Well, the 12,000 people, after they were able, through some circuitous means, in fact out through my advertising efforts, underground advertising efforts, hand bills and so on, they were very much in favor of reading it. And I have got several hundred letters by people totally unsolicited who said they just love to read this stuff. They’re waiting for my next books. I put out a second book called The Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions that has sold already in the second edition. And there’s the German translation out of it. That’s selling briskly. The first book is the German edition that’s selling briskly. There’s a Spanish edition in the works and an Italian edition and the French edition.

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Radio Host: Surely there’s probably always some people that might want to buy some radical material on one end of the spectrum or the other. But aren’t you really creating, it really looks to me here like you’re creating a whole company based on a hatred. A hatred of jews!

 

Ernst Zundel: A hatred of what? Where do I hate jews? The jews don’t figure. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s the problem with you Anglos. You know, you accuse the Germans of having a hangup over the jews. In our thinking, …

 

Radio Host: I don’t accuse the Germans of having a hangup with jews. I accused you of it.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, basing on what? Is there one word about jews in my pamphlet?

 

Radio Host: No, he’s very careful that there aren’t any.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s the point. Because you people, maybe when you were MP up in Ottawa had to stifle freedom of expression through a Bill called Hate Bill.

 

Radio Host: Oh, I never stifled anybody. Why did you pick at the movie, Holocaust?

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Ernst Zundel: Because it’s nothing but lies! Zionist propaganda for profit. It’s that hate propaganda!

 

If you want to see hate propaganda piped into people’s homes, that was hate propaganda on a massive scale! And Mr. Reynolds, I am very sad to say that not one single nice noble Canadian came to our defense. No official government body. That after all, we Germans do enjoy, I think, some citizenship privileges which is equality in front of the law. We don’t get it! Every single night you can get anti-German programs on television or radio. What is this?

 

Radio Host: Well, certainly you would be allowed to your own movies if you wanted to and put that on.

 

Ernst Zundel: But then I’m saying to you, then the censorship comes in that we can’t advertise them, that movie houses won’t carry it. That’s the freedom. That’s what I mean to you. In the Soviet Union we have got the KGB putting Sharansky into jail. In Canada, what do we have? We have the self imposed censorship of certain ethnic groups who wield a tremendous amount of power here!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying that most of the things that were in the movie Holocaust didn’t happen?

 

Ernst Zundel: They were lies, outright lies! And that’s why they didn’t make it a documentary, but they called it a “docudrama” therein lies legalistic tricks!

 

Radio Host: What parts of it were lies? Are you trying to tell me that there were not a bunch of, millions of jews killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews! That’s the basic point. Were ever murdered in Germany just for being jews.

 

Radio Host: Say that again.

 

09 No Six Million Jews – the Red Cross Report

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Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews were ever murdered in Germany!

 

Radio Host: How many?

 

Ernst Zundel: Murdered? Very few. Died? Maybe 350,000 maximum. I have in front of me the Red Cross Report put out by the International Red Cross in Geneva in 1947. Now you can write to the Red Cross in Geneva and get that same report. It’s an official report of the Red Cross, into the concentration camps of World War II on the German side. There is not one single gas chamber that they found.

 

Radio Host: What about Poland, some of the other countries?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you asking about Auschwitz, for instance? Because Auschwitz was in Poland.

 

Radio Host: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: The United States, Air Force overflew the concentration camp of Auschwitz dozens of time. Now we know that today from released Air Force documents. They never found one single thing resembling a gas chamber. The United States, Air Force never bombed any gas chambers. You know, World War II aerial photography was so good that the British were able to take out the German V1 bases before they were even built and operational.

 

Now, if they found gas chambers and the American jewish community was always very strong in favor with President Roosevelt, they could have wiped out those gas chambers. Nothing flat! But they didn’t do it because they were not there. It is Zionist propaganda to blackmail the German people and to cow the rest of the world into their voracious demands!

 

Germany is not the way it is portrayed in the world. I am German. I was raised in Germany. I didn’t see one single proper German in that [word unclear] Holocaust!

 

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10 There Were No Gas Chambers Anywhere in Germany!

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Radio Host: Are you trying to tell us that there were no gas chambers?

 

Ernst Zundel: There were no gas chambers anywhere in Germany!

 

Radio Host: What about anywhere where the German people, where the Nazis controlled the power?

 

Ernst Zundel: No such thing! When you, if you know the gas chambers, what they were delousing things, but they were certainly not used to gas people.

 

Radio Host: [words unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: No, they were not. There’s a large body of evidence, suppressed again and censored in the usual Canadian and North American way, that states very clearly that there were no gas chmbers. We have a Professor of Northwestern University, Professor Butz has just written a 600 page study in which he comes to the very same conclusion. They have trials in Israel in which Adolf Eichmann was tried. The entire testimony of Adolf Eichmann, not one single time mentions a specific number of jews killed. Mr. Reynolds, we have had stories out of Europe of 11 million jews killed! Nine million jews killed! Six million jews killed!

 

The Red Cross says they never saw any gas chambers. The Germans statistically have a Red Cross report that talks about all the people died in World War II on all sides. And for the German nation there is 9 million people, including its 358,000 jews who died in German concentration camps.

 

Radio Host: Gotta go for a break. 685-9181’s our number. 685-9181. If you’d like to speak to Christoph Friedrich from Toronto, the head of Samizdat, give us a call, 685-9181. We’ll be right back with him after these messages. Hang on. I won’t put you on hold this time. I don’t know what happened last night.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, I thought we were through.

 

Radio Host: Oh, did you? You hung up?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did. I’m sorry, I had no idea what the format of the show was going to be.

 

Radio Host: Oh, no, thank you. Hang on, we’ll get back and we’ll take a couple of calls. I’ll put you on hold here.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

11 Zundel’s Commentary on the Conversation So Far

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Ernst Zundel: We’re hardly into the program and what do we see? This man, a former Member of Parliament, Federal Parliament, obviously not a stupid man and certainly above average in intelligence. Otherwise he wouldn’t do the kind of work that he is doing. This Canadian called 5,000 km across the continent to a guy called Ernst Zundel to talk to him about flying saucers. Fascinated, attracted like a moth to the light by this combination of swastika, flying saucers, Third Reich, speeches of the Third Reich leaders which we advertise in our pamphlet. He only was cursorily interested in the flying saucer issue. Once in a while he comes back to it, touches upon it.

 

But basically what irks and bothers this man is all the stuff that I’m bringing out on this topic. Let’s return to him and listen to what he has to say.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich from Toronto. Are you still there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I am.

 

Radio Host: Okay, we’ve got some callers that want to speak to you. We’ll get to them in just a second. I just want to warn everybody because I’m sure, Mr. Friedrich, there’s going to be some people who want to yell and scream at you, but we won’t put up with that if you want to talk sensibly, talk to Mr. Friedrich. If you agree or disagree with, and I hope nobody will yell at either side of us, have to cut you off because nobody can understand people yelling, go ahead.

 

12 Female Caller Tells Zundel to “Lay Down and Die!”

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Caller 1 (female): I couldn’t hear what he’s been saying recently. However, I have a statement here and I’d like to continue with it. It’ll take about 10 minutes.

 

Radio Host: You have to be quick because we’re going for the news. Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): How dare do the [words unclear] come in now and [words unclear] this very many times? Do they think we’ve forgotten the horrors committed against the European continent and their plans to conquer the world?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh dear!

 

Caller 1 (female): Who was the top spy in the USA, Reinhard Heindrich [sp], working with the American First Ambassador Hotel in New York with ITT, General Motors, Ford Company, Texas Oil, Standard Oil and defied the Neutrality Act by shipping supplies to South America and on to Germany. The then President Roosevelt, drafting his [word unclear], fearing impeachment, dared not make public firsthand information from William Stevenson, a Winnipeg born Canadian who headed the Secret Service in Britain. He’s the man called Intrepid. Germany was close to producing the A bomb and thousands of men and women sacrificed their lives to gather information that later helped to change all. If it had not been for Churchill, Roosevelt and Hitler, plus the Russian invasion, you might have won, but you didn’t! Lay down and die!

 

Ernst Zundel: [chuckling] Talking about hate. Was that love, Mr. Reynolds?

 

Radio Host: Well, you see, that’s what I was trying to tell you. I think what you do sometimes generates that kind of hate when you try to bring back some of the things the Nazis did during the Second World War.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I want to tell you something that’s entirely the typical Canadian and North American attitude. You people think that you have a monopoly of what is truth and what is history. What you in effect have is your own World War II propaganda parading as history!

 

Now, when we Germans stand up and ever so mildly and meekly ask for equal time, never get number one, equal time. I have to send out a flamboyant pamphlet and I have to demonstrate, to denigrate myself, to demonstrate in front of newspaper offices, human rights commissions and so on, because we are not even getting equal rights and equal treatment in front of the law.

 

[17:48]

 

Radio Host: Well, it will be interesting to see if any of our German friends in Vancouver fall out because I’ve talked to a number of them who don’t feel exactly the way you do. Go ahead.

 

Caller 2 (female): Oh, good morning. This is the first time I’ve done this. I’m a little nervous, but I am so angry because listening to that voice in the radio, it brings it all back. And this is a tragedy of the German people. This man is talking in arrogance. He is talking from a prideful position, saying that we should tolerate him, that we should put up with him when he’s caused millions of people to [word unclear]. This whole thing is going to continue. The German people, unfortunately, are going to have to suffer for several generations, as long as my generation is alive. Who can remember being bombed in the UK you can remember the first pictures of the concentration camps being opened when there were children. You can remember everything about the war.

 

13 Camps for Japanese, Germans and Italians in Canada, America and Britain

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I come in here, please? For equal time.

 

First of all, the United States, England and Canada bombed the living daylights out of Germany, killing 3 million Germans! 30,000 Englishmen were hurt, didn’t die, but were hurt in World War II bombing of England. So the score is certainly far out of proportion. That’s number one.

 

Number two, you had concentration camps in Canada in which you put innocent Japanese, robbed them of their property. And you also put Germans in concentration camps and Italians in concentration camps. You had the same in the United States.

 

Now we were in Germany. We are a dictatorship. You were a Democratic country. What did you, madam, do in England when you were in England at that time about those imprisoned in English concentration camps under the 18B regulation.

 

Radio Host: Okay, listen, let’s go for the 9 o’ clock news. We’re right back with Christoph Friedrich after the 9 o’ clock news. CJOR. Thanks for your call.

 

Caller 2 (female): Thank you. I was just child at the time. I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, so was I. But now we can do something.

 

Caller 2 (female): No, we’re not.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, we can prevent the same thing from happening again by speaking the truth!

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks. Listen, we’ll call you back in five minutes, okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

Radio Host: Make sure you don’t use your line.

 

Ernst Zundel: No. Okay, I can’t help incoming calls.

 

[break]

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, I got you. Okay, I’ll come back in about 30 seconds.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is interesting that during the next 30 seconds I could not monitor what he was saying. So I have absolutely no idea if he was going to give me some kind of a bad introduction or bad mouthing me or telling the listeners I was some kind of a nut case. That’s a very interesting point. Let’s return to the program.

 

[break]

 

14 Why Don’t You Use Your Real Name?

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Radio Host: Tom Reynolds back and on the phone lines Ronald Christoph Friedrich out of Samizda. Are you the president of Samizda?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I own it lock stock and barrel.

 

Radio Host: You own it. It’s no shareholders. It’s one man. Listen, somebody phoned me yesterday and told me that your real name is Ernst Zundel, that Christoph Friedrich are your two middle names.

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Radio Host: Why do you use those as your name for publishing?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, because I run a fairly successful two other businesses. And when I started out, this Samizda thing, it was not flying saucer strictly. And you have to admit it’s a somewhat [word unclear] subject and people are leery of dealing with nuts. So I thought I might get myself a little protection. It’s nothing illegal. Everybody in the arts and in writing has nom de plumes, you know. It’s a perfectly natural and normal occurrence.

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you another question before we go back to the callers. You talk about censorship in Canada and the United States. Would you be allowed to do what you’re doing with your talking about your UFOs about Hitler, about the Nazis, if you were living in Germany today?

 

15 West Germany and East Germany Are Dictatorships

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Ernst Zundel: No, because West Germany and East Germany are the most horrific dictatorships. They make Hitler pale into insignificance!

 

Radio Host: Why would you say West Germany is a dictatorship? They have elections. The German people elect all the people that go into their legislature.

 

Ernst Zundel: Because, number one, it’s a matter of having no choice. In West Germany, the Allies have riddled Germany with spy networks and we have a strictly political police and a political judiciary in Germany. The nation’s element which carries the German State for 13 years, is completely outlawed, has been killed, is rotting in jails.

 

Consequently, what we have in Germany are quislings. We have in West Germany, West German, pro-American, pro-British, pro-French, pro-Canadian quislings. And in East Germany we have pro-communist, pro-Russian quislings. Germany is occupied country! It is not independent. The people who have been speaking for Germany are executive organs of the occupying powers.

 

16 Do You Believe in the White Superiority?

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Radio Host: One final question before we go back to the calls. Do you believe in the White superiority?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. No.

 

Radio Host: You are not [word unclear] with leader of the Nazi party in the United States then?

 

Ernst Zundel: He’s a jew!

 

Radio Host: Yes, I know that.

 

[22:43]

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, fine. Now if you have a jewish agent, he might be a jewish hero in Nazi uniform if he brings out lines like that that conform with the Hollywood image which Hollywood has created about National Socialism and about Germany, that’s one thing. Hitler in all of the 800 pages of Mein Kunk not once mentioned the word Aryan “superiority” or “master race” or stuff like that! This is strictly Anglo-jewish propaganda! It is not true.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): Hi John. I was born after the war, so this is really all history thinking, but I don’t feel any angry towards this guest. But I am kind of fascinated with him. Fascinated in the sense that I think he’s really taking us for a really good ride. I think he’s really capitalizing on our ignorance, on all these things and all that. But it kind of frightens me too in the other sense because people are angry and not these kind of things get stirred up.

 

Radio Host: That’s a very good question though. Christoph Friedrich, are you just really capitalizing on the Holocaust and other things that are happening to make yourself some more money?

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds? I don’t need to make more money. What I’m telling you is that I am now 39 years old. I’ve got children born by a Canadian mother going through the Canadian school system that are being brainwashed with lies and nothing but lies which will disarm them in any future conflict that we are seeing coming up on the horizon! The western world is in a life and death struggle and doesn’t realize it, because it is looking constantly over its shoulder flailing a dead horse called Nazism while there are Marxists in the highest places in government, the military, the media in this lovely land! That is my point!

 

Caller 1 (female): But sir, you must think we’re really fools because all these things have been past for so many years.

 

17 Problems with Canada and Its Immigration Policy

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Ernst Zundel: You are asses because you allow non-subversives and certainly incapable people of running the affairs of this nation. Canada is a paradise, and it could be a paradise. And it was almost a paradise when I came to these shores. What we have now is our old people robbed of their pensions. We have got riots in jails, we have got kidnappings, we have got muggings. We have got murders on a scale that is unprecedented before. If you were such intelligent people and exercising your duties of citizenship properly, we could not get the kind of rotten leadership we are getting!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, sir, I just don’t take you very seriously.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s okay. I don’t take you very seriously either.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich one of the reasons we’ve got these problems because of our immigration policy.

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly, yes!

 

Radio Host: What should we do about our immigration policy?

 

Ernst Zundel: I was the only person in 1968 that appeared in front of the Parliamentary committee and the Senate committee on immigration and said:

 

“For God’s sake, do not change the immigration policy in this country or your children will curse you!”

 

Mr. Reynolds, what has happened is not the children are cursing the politicians of that 1968 Parliament. Their wives, their mothers, their grandmothers, their uncles and their hands are cursing them!

 

Radio Host: What should we do with our immigration policy in Canada?

 

Ernst Zundel: Don’t import problems!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying what types of people are the problem and what countries do they come from?

 

Ernst Zundel: Ask any police official. Who are being picked up for, numerically speaking, for dope peddling, pimping, distribution sniffing and stuff like that.

 

Radio Host: Are you talking about the blacks and the yellow people that are coming in?

 

Ernst Zundel: You know, that’s a loaded question.

 

Radio Host: I’m sure it is.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I’m saying to you that we didn’t have it before, but certainly we now have it. Does that answer the question fairly?

 

Radio Host: More White immigration from England, Germany and the other such as that?

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly.

 

Radio Host: Okay, go ahead.

 

Caller 4 (male): Mr. Frederick?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah?

 

18 Have You Ever Been to Auschwitz?

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Radio Host: Have you ever been to Auschwitz?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: Have you ever visited Auschwitz concentration camp?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’ve entered Dahau. I don’t need to go to have a piece of fictitious history paraded in front of my eyes.

 

Radio Host: I have visited Auschwitz and the place where it is said that the gas chambers were, which is right beside the incinerators.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): Is right in the middle of the camp. You say, if the British believed there were gas chambers, they would have bombed them.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): With all the tens of thousands of inmates in Auschwitz, it would have been another “Holocaust”. Tens of thousands of prisoners who would have died through the bombing.

 

19 Red Cross Report on German Concentration Camps

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I respond to that? I have in front of me the Red Cross Report, page 92. That’s an official document. No Germans participated in writing it. It is strictly based on the work done by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which by the way went to see every concentration camp in Germany and had even delegates living within some concentration camps. Now I put it to you, if the Germans had something to hide, they would certainly not allow number one to visit, number two, allow delegates to live there.

 

Now, the Russians don’t allow Red Cross delegates to go and visit their concentration camps, but the Germans did!

 

Now, on page 92 it says that the confidence man, the man of Kofiyas [sp], is the French reporter that I’m looking at was a British commando who was captured by the Germans and he was in Auschwitz. The Red Cross delegate asks him:

 

“What are these rumors about Sal Didush, meaning shower bars?”

 

And he said:

 

“They are nothing but rumors. We have been unable to verify that there were such things.”

 

Now, the concentration camp of was in September 44. Shortly thereafter, the concentration camp of Auschwitz was closed and the German razed it to the ground! Every single German concentration camp in the east that the Germans abandoned was razed to the ground! So any structure that you see there, built today was built after the war! So much for your historical accuracy.

 

[28:34]

 

 

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: And you say the same for Belsen?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I can explain to you Belsen very easily.

 

Radio Host: That was raised to the ground also?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. That was not in the East. If you were to listen and hear what I’m saying, you could get someplace in the story. Belsen is in central Germany.

 

Now, the commander of Belsen was forced to take up, because of the situation of the war, 20,000 more prisoners than the camp was designed for. Now typhus broke out because Medicines and food couldn’t get to the camp because England and America destroyed the entire German railroad system in Operation Thunderclap, which knocked out 9,000 German railroads stations and railroad junctions. Now the system of transportation and food supply broke down. Food rations had to be cut. Belsen suffered a typhus epidemic. And the German commander said in radioing to the International Red Cross in Geneva:

 

“We have this situation here. If the war comes to our camp and these prisoners go out into the land, they will infect the occupying army, namely Montgomery’s army, and also the whole population of Europe. What should we do?”

 

And the British commander and the German commander agreed that the German SS guards were to go and protect the camp and keep it while the war raged around it. And when the war was just about over in this area, the British came and they took over the camp. And in typical English, World War II fashion, they grabbed the guys who had agreed to stay behind and they, number one, had them beaten up and the torture of the guards and the story of how you Anglos at the end of World War II got your lovely show trials and stuff like that. That’s another kettle of fish.

 

Radio Host: Now you saying, … Gotta go for a break. I have to let some other callers. Thanks for your call. 685-9181’s number. We’ll be right back after these messages. Back in about a minute. I won’t put you on hold just in case we get cut off.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Fine, thank you.

 

Radio Host: How’s the weather in Toronto?

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s a beautiful day, Mr. Reynolds. It’s a beautiful day. I wish I could talk to you about something simple like flying saucers. But I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity, believe me. I do appreciate it, believe me. There are far too few people in the Western world today like yourself.

 

21 Zundel’s Advice Re Dealing with Radio Station Hosts

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[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: Now a very important lesson to be learned. Always congratulate your host. Always be deferential to him and be kind to him. Never bully him and never embarrass him! Always leave him a way out, because he too has a boss. He too has a station owner, station manager, program manager, advertisers. Don’t burn the bridges behind him unless you want to destroy him. And those cases ought to be very few. Always behave in such a way, even if you have to give a point or two, that you are the nice person, that you are the friendly one and a well mannered one. You don’t have to be mealy mouthed. Be hard and be soft. [chuckling] What I mean is be gentle and be kind. It has paid for me tremendous dividends. And time and again I’ve been told by moderators of radio and TV, the reason why they had me back on was because I always allowed them a way out with their station managers.

 

Now let us rejoin the program and carry on with the interview.

 

[Interview continues]

 

22 Germans Innocent of the Alleged Crime of Killing Six Million Jews

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Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich, the head of Samizdat out of Toronto. Mr. Friedrich, let me ask you a question. You mainly deal in other than things with the records and the tapes about German music and so forth, but UFOs, why would [n’t] you stick to UFOs, and stay away from the Nazi angle?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because it’s a matter upon which our civilization fails or survives!

 

Radio Host: Explain that.

 

Ernst Zundel: The German, supposed German guilt for World War II has taken the militarily, economically, politically strongest nation in the heart of Europe which after all is the heart of our culture and has made it the [word unclear]. We are the outcast today. You have had no German input of any significance since the end of World War II.

 

Mr. Reynolds, we have had 138 wars since 1945.

 

Radio Host: In British Columbia the largest ethnic group is German.

 

Ernst Zundel: Of course.

 

Radio Host: They’re top citizens. They’re leaders in business. This situation with the “Holocaust”, and what you’re trying to promote is passe with a lot of people. Jewish families involved in the war. German families involved in war that maybe have some guilt, have some hard feelings. But the young people today don’t have those types of feelings.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. That’s exactly my point. Why can we not discuss it sensibly? And why can we only judge it from the Jewish-Anglo, jewish angle?

 

Radio Host: What talk about it all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, we can’t do that, Mr. Reynolds. Why should German people collectively bear the [word unclear] and individually the stigma of coming from a group of people that have murdered 6 million people, if they are innocent of the crime, why should we? We are not, …

 

Radio Host: Number one, that I don’t think is a stigma. The German people living in this country. Number two, there was a crime there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, was Dresden not a crime? Was Hamburg not a crime? Was Nagasaki not a crime?

 

[34:48]

 

Radio Host: That’s a crime.

 

23 Was the Canadian Concentration Camps Not a Crime?

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Ernst Zundel: Was the Canadian concentration camps not a crime? You see, even, …

 

Radio Host: I agree with you. The way we treated the Japanese in the Second World War was a crime.

 

But it’s well talked about.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, but no restitution has been made, and to put it in proper perspective. You see, we have to first heal the wounds of the old before we can start anew. Humanity is like an organic body. If you have a cancer growing in one area, the body is sick, you see? And I’m saying to you, I want the wounds of World War II healed properly, not festering. And all those people who put on the Holocaust movie that was seen in 70 million American homes at one and the same time. And it was full of lies! ! Mr. Reynolds, they are the hatemongers! I tried to have that movie stop before it started. I am the nice guy! The others are the aggressors in this thing.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Mr. Friedrich. How old are you?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m 39.

 

Caller (male): So you were what? About six years old when the war ended?

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Caller (male): Do you really have no firsthand knowledge of what went on?

 

Ernst Zundel: My dear man, I have firsthand knowledge of being frightened like a dog by bombs falling on our head, by our house collapsing around us. By my mother being chased by American and Algerian invading troops. By the cruelty of your occupation, by the starvation. Don’t come unto me with honeyed words and say I have no recollection of the war. I do!

 

Caller (male): I happen to be German too. I came from there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hey, that’s nice.

 

Caller (male): And I happen to be a lot older than you are.

 

Ernst Zundel: Good.

 

Caller (male): I saw it was, …

 

Ernst Zundel: It doesn’t make you necessarily wiser or more knowledgeable, though.

 

Caller (male): I’m not saying that I’m wiser, but you know, when I’m listening to you, I can understand, you profess to represent what German people think or say.

 

Ernst Zundel: I never did. I never did!

 

Caller (male): You don’t?

 

Ernst Zundel: I say what some German people think, those who think and not those who think they think.

 

Caller (male): I’m glad to hear that. Because, …

 

Ernst Zundel: You see, you don’t think, you just think you think.

 

Caller (male): I can quite see if somebody listens to you, then you just get turned off. If that is what comes out of Germany. Good God! You know, you’re a nut!

 

Ernst Zundel: What would you like to come out of Germany? Tell me! More reparations for crimes we didn’t commit? More flagellating, more self incriminating for things we didn’t do?

 

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Caller (male): All right. I happened to be in Germany and outside of Germany during those years and I have seen what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: You were outside those years in Germany, is that it?

 

Caller (male): Let me finish, please. Just don’t butt in all the time!

 

Ernst Zundel: No, look, get your story straight. Were you in Germany at that time or out of Germany?

 

Caller (male): Yes, I was in Germany. I was in Poland. Let me tell you. I have seen how the jews were rounded up. I have seen them running around in droves being driven by SS people. I’ve seen them being shot. Shot! Just because somebody was straggling, couldn’t follow the rest.

 

Ernst Zundel: And what did you do about it?

 

Caller (male): What I did about it? Nothing! I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Exactly!

 

In other words, you were a coward then and you are a coward now!

 

Caller (male): Let me tell you something right now. I may have been a coward! I probably was. I was at the time, 15 years of age.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if you saw somebody shot and didn’t do something about it, you were a coward!

 

Caller (male): I probably was.

 

But I can tell you one thing, it certainly has weighed very heavily on my conscience. Because what was going on, that was not right. And I don’t give a damn how much you rant and rave.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not ranting or raving.

 

Caller (male): You will never be able to obliterate the darkest period in German history. Okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if the Canadians are doing as well, and the British and the Americans and the jews in obliterating their dark parts in their history, we’d have a beautiful world. But as long as it’s only one sided, I Intend to speak the other side as long as good God gives me a breath to do it.

 

Caller (male): I just hope that people don’t regard you as representative of Germany.

 

Radio Host: 685 918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[break]

 

You get any interference from the RCMP coming in to look at your membership list?

 

Ernst Zundel: Not anymore. Not anymore.

 

Radio Host: They did it one time?

 

Ernst Zundel: I used to be [word unclear] two or three times a week. Yeah, but not anymore. The main problem now comes from the Canadian jewish Congress and their agents.

 

25 There is Always an Uncle Tom.

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[Zundel’s commentary on the caller]

 

Ernst Zundel: It never fails. There is always an Uncle Tom! The blacks have him, the jews have him and the Germans have him. That is if the caller indeed was a German as he claimed to be. He did have some strange accent, that’s for sure.

 

However, I practically smelled him coming from left field and decided early on that here was one guy that was going to be nailed. And he certainly was! And I’m happy that that is now. There is no way that you can allow people like that to dominate the program by trying to be overly kind to them. People like that who mess into their own bed, you have to be short and swift! Back to the program.

 

[39:59]

 

Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich in Toronto. 685-9181 the number go ahead please.

 

Hello?

 

Caller (male): Hello.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

26 Caller on Japanese in Concentration Camps

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Caller (male): What he says about immigration coming in this country. Well, I’m in agreement what he said about only the White race, that White people should immigrate here. But I wasn’t in agreement with what he said about the Japanese being innocent because it was myself I think it was a good thing that they were put in concentration camps because if the Japanese had landed here the ones that were in the country would have helped the Japanese invading forces.

 

And one of Japanese was educated in Vancouver here went to school and had his education here. He went over to Japan during the war and he was one of the worst ones over there. He beat the Canadian soldiers with whips in the camps there and [word unclear] for it.

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same?

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same? Why would a Japanese Canadian be any lesser Canadian than you were?

 

Caller (male): Well, I mean I don’t have any agreement with it. It wasn’t very innocent. You didn’t know what’s behind it. They [word unclear] truckloads of rifles and war stuff and short waves receivers and everything.

 

Ernst Zundel: And Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: I don’t know believe that gives us the right to take away people’s property.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, if I may interject here. I have read the story of the tragedy of the American Japanese and the Canadian Japanese. I am not aware of one single instance where truckloads of Japanese rifles were taken away. That is a red herring of wartime propaganda. Now in the calmer days 30 years after. That’s simply not true.

 

Number one, I’d like to say on principle Japan did not declare war on Canada. Number two, Canada meddled in Japanese affairs 10,000 miles away from home in Hong Kong. Number three, the Japanese people who were in this country were legally admitted immigrants, had an excellent work record, were frugal, thrifty, pillars of society. They were robbed in the most sneaky, slimy way of their hard earned property. Proper restitution has not been done. When Premier Kuro went over to Japan and apologized to the people of Japan, the columns and the radio stations in the Toronto area were so full of hate towards our own Prime Minister. Just apologizing, that I am telling you Canadians have some skeletons in the crossing and their skeletons are intolerance and hate! And I am bringing those out. And if I speak forcefully, I speak with the eloquence of emergency. Because I can assure you if you Canadians are going to let this thing get done to the Germans today and you were allowing it yesterday to the Japanese, tomorrow you will allow it to another ethnic group. I’m telling you, if we don’t come to grips with this cancer in Canadian society tomorrow, it might be you!

 

Caller (male): Why don’t you speak to some of the Canadians that was taken Christmas day, prisoners in places there, and they were tortured.

 

Ernst Zundel: Sir, my question to you is, what business did they have to do over in Hong Kong? Did Canada have no problems in their own country?

 

So you see, if you meddle in a fight between two bullies, if you meddle in that and you get a black eye, it’s not like, don’t come back, complaining!

 

Caller (male): Well, they landed here, they came here by the submarine. They were just about pretty close to taking over the Aleutian islands. They had places dug in rock there and they confixated all their supplies. Don’t worry my friend, they were just about right to our doorstep here.

 

Ernst Zundel: This was after the war was on.

 

Anyway. Listen, this is a very fruitless discussion. I frankly think that the Japanese were maltreated and Canadians cannot make any excuses and cannot treat it under the rug. Justice is what we want. Justice for all the people, including jews, Pakistanis and Indians. What I’m saying to you is that I was the only one in 1968 to prevent problems from happening. Don’t you see? 1968, the United States was experiencing civil war on a massive scale where blacks were burning down practically every large city. You know, Watts and Detroit and so on. And I said at that time to the special Commission sitting in Montreal:

 

“Gentlemen, please learn from what is happening. We don’t owe these people anything!”

 

Canada didn’t have empire, you see I can see England having to import these people, but Canada should have a policy that is best for Canadians.

 

Caller (male): Well, the Black Panthers are stirring up the Indians here in Canada. And the Indians didn’t have enough sense to fight for themselves. But until another outfit came in here called the Black Panthers and they just stir these Indians up and it’s just making trouble for the Indians. And the Canadian government is surprised that they let these leaders come in from the United States.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, afraid I have to once again put it in the proper historical perspective. You Canadians in World War II allied yourself with Marxism, international Communism!

 

Now, because they were your allies then, you feel kind of uneasy about cracking down on them now because it would mean you made a mistake then. So what are you doing? You are allowing all kinds of Marxist infiltrators into your university, into your news media, and into the book publishing business and into education. And what they turn out are young commies. And these young commies then go out agitating minorities. Naturally, they’re not going to actually agitate the mass of Canadians because they are so lethargic. So they go after the Indians and other minorities.

 

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27 Zundel’s Commentary on the Typical Canadian Man in the Street on Race

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Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your call. 685-918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: What you have just heard is the typical average Canadian man in the street, World War II veteran speaking. A simple man with a bigoted viewpoint. Basically what he is a racist, but afraid to say it.

 

Now, here in me, he had found somebody who was very seldom on Canadian airwaves these days, willing to put in the good word for the Whites and point out their desperate situation. And the poor devil called up and couldn’t really make his point coherently.

 

Yet he had lived this kind of viewpoint for all his life and ended up trying to defend the indefensible. Interesting also is that the moderator, former Member of Parliament, all he could think about was the Japanese property being taken away. It didn’t occur to him that that’s not the main beef. It was not that the property was taken away. It was the fact that in a Democratic country that was not under immediate attack, was not being invaded, the dignity of human beings was being insulted that they were being herded into concentration camps. Men, women, children, father, mother, grandfather, grandparents and so on. They were robbed of their fortunes. They were robbed of their fishing boats and their fishing gears, their farms and so on. And Canadians can make no excuses. And he tried to make an excuse with World War II propaganda. What he pulled on the Japanese, they’re trying to pull on the Germans. Back to the program.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back. My guest is Chris Christoph Friedrich, head of Samizdat. 6859181 is the number. Go ahead.

 

28 Caller on the Suppressed Book ‘All Honorable Men’

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Caller (male): Yes, hello, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Yes.

 

Caller (male): I know you’re first, please. Thank God from your political deal. Is the other gentleman on the line too? Have either of you people ever read the first publication of a book called All Honorable Men? All Honorable Men.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich, have you read the book All Honorable Men?

 

Ernst Zundel: Is that by the English writer Douglas Reed?

 

Radio Host: English writer who was in Germany after the war. The book was suppressed. A new version came out which is completely different from the original publication of the book called All Our Men. Unfortunately, I loaned it out to somebody. I never got it back. There is a book out All Honorable Men, but it’s not the same version.

 

But in the original publication of the book, All Our Men showed how the Second World War was perpetrated!

 

Now, you realize that IG Farben was never bombed in Germany. IG Farben had a subsidiary in the United States. They made their deal and in United States manufactured and it said on there, it documented made in Germany was sent to South America. The money came back to Germany.

 

By the way, I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

And when I read that book, the original publication, which was the suppressed, showed how Schrader [sp], who was a companion of Roosevelt went to Germany and became the financial expert in Germany. I am in complete agreement. And I fought against you people. I speak German fluently. I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

Radio Host: Make your point, please.

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Make your point.

 

Caller (male): Yeah, but what I’m saying is this. If you could, any of you, Mr. Reynolds and the gentleman there, could get the original edition of All Honorable Men, there is documentation after documentation. And I happen to agree. And Mr. Reynolds, but the other gentleman there were that not many jews were that. Now I don’t agree with all of them.

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your comment.

 

29 World War II was Above All a Battle for World Markets

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. May I say something to that, please?

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: There’s no doubt that World War II was above all a battle for world markets. You see, and it is clearly expressed in the British Foreign Office documents which have been recently released after the 30 year time is up and American Foreign Office or Secretary of State offices and documents which are now being declassified after 35 years.

 

The fact is that Japan and Germany being geographically in a small area, being devoid of raw materials, these two nations must export in order to live. So they were in effect disturbing the international trading pattern. And high finance and international multinational corporations got together the way this fellow describes out of this book, All Honorable Men, got together and they decided:

 

“Well, if we can wipe out the competition, we will have the world markets to ourselves!”

 

You see?

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you a question. What about a gentleman by the name of Speers? You know him?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: You haven’t read his book? He was one of the German officers who was tried in Nuremberg.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, Speer. Well, okay, I’ll be happy to respond to this. I’ve corresponded with him. Mr. Reynolds, that man was in allied custody for 20 years! He was only allowed to read what four different nations censored for him.

 

Now, if you and I can put on commercials in advertising and sell cars with 1 minute exposure over the radio or television, then a man whom I have for a 20 year captive audience is brainwashed so beyond recognition that he is a totally altered, different personality! The Albert Speer who came out of Spandau is an allied zombie!

 

Radio Host: So you’re saying the books he wrote about the atrocities are things that have been planted in his head by the Allies?

 

Ernst Zundel: After 20 years of confinement under sole allied tutelage, where only allied approved psychologists took his head apart and his brain apart, they only supplied him with the books that they allowed him to. Every newspaper is cut out meticulously as to articles which you’re not supposed to read, I ask you in all honesty, can that man be balanced?

 

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Radio Host: May not be balanced. I don’t think he was balanced to do what he did in the first place.

 

Ernst Zundel: What did he do in the first place? He was our ministry of war production. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s my point. How can a grown up man like yourself, a Member of Parliament, say that he shouldn’t have done what he did in the first place? Nations in war, always find men who run the war machine for them. Canadians did. Americans did. Churchill did. Why should we not have very capable ministers of war? He was a very capable technocrat.

 

Radio Host: He also knew the atrocities that were being committed.

 

Ernst Zundel: He says he didn’t. He said he should have thought about it. But you see, the point is, if he says he didn’t, then I put it to you, if a guy in that kind of elevated office doesn’t know about it, maybe it is because they didn’t exist.

 

Radio Host: Oh, you heard the previous caller say he was a German from Poland and they did exist.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, a 15 year old kid who was too cowardly to protect somebody from being shot, then to take his word, believe me, he doesn’t stand up against hard evidence.

 

31 Caller Claims Innocent Children Put in Gas Chambers

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Caller (male): Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Yes, I would like to know what business this German fellow has to criticize Canada and United States. I mean, listen. They have killed babies in pregnant women and send them the gas chamber. He’s lying! He’s a nobody! He was a little child at the time the war was on. What he know about it? How many innocent children was put in the gas chamber? And I lost myself 40 people for my family! He has a face, he has a nerve to come on the radio and talk lies like this. And people have to listen this. Not ashamed! You let him go on the radio station. You should send him to Germany. He wouldn’t talk like this in Germany. He don’t know nothing about the whole history!

 

There was not killed Japanese children. There was not food to give them. They let the people work till he died. Until he got killed in heavy stones. And he telling stories for the people. They wasn’t killing the jews and they don’t killing. They want to kill the whole world! There was the whole song made up from the Germans. Germany is small, the whole world is ours! What do you think men like this you let go on the radio. This is a shame! I can’t understand how can a person talk on the radio to the public like that? There’s nobody to give him the answer on it. How everything he is saying is lying. What mixing up Japanese and other nations in this program? They talk about Germany. Did Germany know that there was only 6 million jews only killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m afraid you have had the, …

 

Radio Host: He’s allowed to say is a free country, whether we want to believe or not. 685918 was the number. We’ll be right back after the event.

 

32 Zundel’s Commentary on the Jewish Caller and Their Emotionalism and Lies

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Ernst Zundel: Well, finally here we had it. I was waiting for that call for the very first part of the program. Usually, in the olden days, or certainly in Eastern Canada and in the Eastern United States where there is a far greater concentration of jewish people, we get this type of call by the dozens! Monopolizing the airwaves with their emotionalism. Trying to once again cry, moan, whine about all the things that have been done to them, offering no evidence. But for the gullible public, they certainly talk a good persecution and a good crime.

 

Now, is it interesting that the moderator did not allow me to get back at that man and to nail him. He just cut him off. And then, of course, went conveniently to some commercial announcements which gave me no chance to respond to this man’s accusations.

 

However, for the European listeners, this can serve as the typical call. This is why it is so very important that this issue of anti-German propaganda and of this monstrous, horrific lie about Germans killing 6 million jews must be exposed wherever we can! This is the pivotal question! Once this lie has been exposed as a propaganda lie, the world will change upside down, inside out! And our people who have been hated and maligned will become the angels of the world!

 

And this is what those who peddle the lie are afraid of they have gambled wildly and recklessly that they can can control all the channels of communications for all time. If it is possible for us to break through that curtain the way I have broken through with this interview, for instance, on this Canadian radio station, which was the largest radio station on the east coast in Canada, large enough so that they have two private helicopters looking after traffic reports, their own reporters, roving reporters, large enough that they not shy the expense of paying for a long distance call from Vancouver to Toronto over a distance of 5,000 miles for an hour and a half.

 

[58:44]

 

 

33 The Need for All Those Who Believe in the Rightness of the Cause to Help Spread the Message

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Now, when we can break through day in, day out, year after year, through this media curtain with our facts, our figures, our proof, then a new age will be dawning. This is why it is so absolutely crucial that the people who believe in the same things that I believe in, who are unable because of age, lack of faith in themselves or talent in the media, maybe because they speak English with even more of an accent than I do, that they help us in financing my work. Because the proof certainly is given in this interview again that we can make breakthroughs and we can reach the public. And you can see there were all kinds of people out there who are willing to agree with us and who are willing to listen to us.

 

We have all kinds of allies. But right now they are isolated and we are isolated. We cannot reach them for lack of funds. If we had the money, we could buy radio time on every radio station, we could buy TV time on every TV station. Within a very few short years, we could change the German image in the world, the image of National Socialism, which, after all, was an attempt by White Europe to save itself at the end of a cultural cycle and to start and Make a glorious new beginning.

 

If people would only realize the importance of this, we could change the world together. I cannot do it alone. Obviously, some of the members of the jewish community made their usual quick phone calls to rustle up support and to get their fellow racial comrades to get under the airwaves and to give this German, of all people, a piece of their mind and to give them a hard time. Because it is so seldom that Germans speak out in public, and especially even more seldom that they speak out on the airwaves as frankly and as freely as I did in this particular interview. The reaction was equal. Just as we heard by the previous caller every old propaganda lie rehashed, even the canard of “Deutschland ueber alles” or the “tomorrow the world” business. So often has this story been told in Heideggerd UN Deutschland Und Morgen die ganze Welt, that I’m so sick and tired of trying to even explain it. If all the songs that every army in the world had ever sung was broadcast, I think that there would be some pretty red faces and embarrassed politicians.

 

34 Jews and Their Claims of Having Lost Untold Family Members!

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And the fact that he lost 40 members of his family, well, gee, it is incredible! Everyone that I meet of these people lost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 80 members of their family. Some 200 members of their family! Hell, I can’t even remember 20 members of my family. But these people, they can remember 200! And they all lost them. And yet they’re all here!

 

35 Anti-Semitism as a Natural Self-Defence Reaction

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The next caller is a female, and she also brings out the old war horse of jewish propaganda, namely that the German people had to suffer and have to suffer because of the world retaliating against us. Nobody ever bothers to reflect or give meditation or to think about why the Germans turned against the jews in the first place! Ours was a reaction of self defense. This is why the word anti-semitism or anti-Judaism was coined and created. It is inherent in the very word itself that ours was a natural reaction of a body politic, of a nation, of a state, of a culture, of a race, if you want, against intruders. If we had been for the jews, it would mean pro-semitism. But because of the way these people behaved, it was anti-semitism. If they had behaved beautifully, it could have been becoming philo-semitism. Or if they hadn’t been there would have been no anti, no pro, no nothing. You see, nobody bothers to think about those things.

 

36 As a War Measure, the Concentration Camps Can Be Justified

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And it is once again important that we make this point again and again to the people of the world, that our reaction was natural, that as a war measure, the concentration camps can be justified. However ugly they are and however little we like them. Nobody likes to be deprived of their freedom. Neither do I. But the fact is we do not have to be forever bow our heads in shame because there were concentration camps and there were people in concentration camps. Because just about every country involved in World War II had people rotting in jail, forgot about their so-called human rights and civil rights. Imprisoned men, women and children. And in many countries, notably the glorious Democratic ally Joseph Stalin killed people by the millions and nobody cared and nobody squawked! So we should forget about defending ourselves but to take the initiative.

 

Back to the program.

 

37 Female Caller Supporting the Holocaust Movie

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Radio Host: Hello, Good morning.

 

Caller (female): Yes, I would like to say a few words to your guest too. He seem to be awfully upset about a story that we saw on Holocaust. That story should have been told long time ago. You shouldn’t be upset because that’s a crime that was done and it should be told. Same like all other wars when they’re on TV, nobody’s upset.

 

But now when that story is told, he seems to be awfully upset because it’s something to be upset about. Because seeing something like that really is unbelievable!

 

Ernst Zundel: Madam. Has the mass murder of the civilian German population ever been shown in an eight hour television special all over North American television? Have the rapes of the 100,000 women in Berlin by the Soviets and Mongolian troops, ever been featured played? Have the rapes of the Viennese? Have the murders, the tortures in allied concentration camps after the war, have they ever been shown? No!

 

Caller (female): They might not be. But after the things that they did, they might be understandable why the people wanted to retaliate because of that you should understand that that story should be told a long time ago to remind us all the time what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’ve been in Canada for 20 years and I’ve heard nothing but this story from one side. Until finally after 20 years, …

 

Caller (female): [word unclear] not have got enough guts to [word unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: You know something lady? I have enough guts, … Grant me enough guts from my side to speak up for our side.

 

Look. Grant me the guts from my side to speak up to our side. There is no not only your side. There’s always two sides to a story.

 

Caller (female): There is many nation sides and they all agree. Except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: They don’t all agree, my dear. They don’t all agree, my dear.

 

Caller (female): They do!

 

Ernst Zundel: In Tokyo during the war crimes trial., …

 

Caller (female): They do agree on this story, except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: Because you, my dear woman, there are thousands of books, there are thousands of books written in the world about the jewish lies about Holocaust, the blackmail that it is, and so on. It has nothing to do with fact at all! It is a money making racket employed internationally. Just the fact that a thousand guys tell a lie does make the original lie, not the truth! It is a lie!

 

[1:07:53]

 

38 Male Caller Somewhat Supportive of Zundel’s Position

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Radio Host: Thanks for your call. Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Hello. Good morning, John. First of all, let me put the record straight. This Holocaust business, this is a drama which has backfired completely. It has been produced by the jews themselves. Secondly, we are they always talking about the 6 million jews, but they never mention that there are 22 million during the Second World War who are gentile, Canadian, British, Russians, Germans as well, they have been killed as well.

 

Thirdly, those 6 million jews they have been smuggled into the United States. And quite a bit of them, they went into Palestine itself. To legitimize their claim in Israel.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: All these facts they have not been told to the people!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: [word unclear] can look for one side and neglect the other.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: And two wrongs do not make right!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: Exactly what has been practiced by the Germans on the jews and the victims of the jews by the Germans they are by Eichmann himself, who was a jew.

 

And finally the jews they have been compensated for all the damages. They got $35 billion out of West Germany for this so-called story of the 6 million jews. People better go to library and start to read and look to the two sides. I do not believe in killing, but two wrongs do not make right because exactly the jews are doing it in Palestine on the 3.5 million Arab Palestinians. And this is all that I have to say. John. Okay.

 

39 Israel Has Got Terror Squads Going out into the World Assassinating Diplomats, Etc.

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. The week that Holocaust was being shown in the Western world, Israel invaded southern Lebanon.

 

Now, Israel has had three wars in the last generation. Germany has had none. Israel has got terror squads going out into the world assassinating diplomats and those whom they suspect of being terrorists. And there have been several mishaps reported where they got the wrong man.

 

In other words, we have hit squads roaming the planet, abducting people, kidnapping people, assassinating people, silencing people, burning people’s homes down like they did to this German in France, Jochen Pieper and so on.

 

Now there is an international gang of terrorists loose on the planet and they are camouflaging their international power by stuff like that. And we don’t like it. And the world should be grateful for a guy like John Reynolds and for a guy like Christoph Friedrich Zundel to get on the telephone and to alert them to the fact of what is happening! We are a planet in the grip of a gang of terrorists who are using this emotional propaganda to camouflage not their bygone deeds, nobody’s ever talked about them, but their current deeds!

 

Radio Host: Don’t thank me, Christopher. I’ve only got you on because you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Controversial!

 

Radio Host: Controversial.

 

And I think people should know that you’re around because I think you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: What?

 

[Call cut out]

 

40 Male Caller Denies Gas Chambers and Disputes the Number of Jews Who Died

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Radio Host: Hello? Hello, you’re there, Go ahead, go ahead Conor, go ahead.

 

Caller (female): The war was over. Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead again.

 

Caller (female): When the war was over I was 15 years old. When I’ve been around in Eastern Europe and then in Western Europe. When I hear this story it’s been told over the Holocaust, you know all the murdering goes on. It’s unbelievable what kind of lies! Because I’ve been down after war and around Bavaria with how concentration camp used to be. There was nothing! There was no gas chamber whatsoever! The gas chamber been built 1948!

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): American supervision.

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): In a little chamber, supposed to burn 6 million jews. Like in Canada, anybody who you listen to in the radio television he’s always:

 

“I was lucky I survived!”

 

How could he survive in Europe, in only 3 million jews? When you go back to Russia now and count the population the jewish in Poland how many immigrants to South America, to Palestine, the United States, Canada, you know how many are left who got killed? One million, two hundred thousand. That’s proven from the Swiss Red Cross. But that story they never told, people died of starvation. It was from 1944-45 because there was no transportation, no food! The food rationing was anyway. I mean there was no way to get the food to the people.

 

Ernst Zundel: In other words, …

 

Caller (female): Other people died. I saw him laying on the road as we marched from Poland to [word unclear] in front of the Russians, you know. And I thought he been shot down, you know from bombs and everything. But after the war when we stayed in Bavaria, so after you went to north German plain there, when his story’s been told [words unclear] brainwashed. The older people over there, they’re dying out. They forget, you know. It’s unbelievable, …

 

Radio Host: Anything that happened at the Nuremberg trials was true?

 

[1:12:59]

 

41 Zundel Talks About the Nuremberg Trials and the Dissenting Opinion of an Indian Judge

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Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you about the Nuremberg trials.

 

Radio Host: I haven’t read them all but I’ve looked, …

 

Caller (female): Yeah, that’s the trouble, you know you only read the one side of it, you know.

 

Radio Host: Hey, thanks for your call.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds I have in front of me a book put out by the British trial lawyer who defends Field Marshal Manstein in a war crimes trial in Germany after the war. And he quotes in there an Indian judge. He refers to him as “the great Indian judge Rahabino de Pal”, who wrote the dissenting judgment which he delivered as one of the judges of the International Court at Tokyo. Now he would have never been chosen number one as a judge had he been pro-German. He was completely neutral, an Indian judge, one of India’s great judges. Here is what the judge said as a dissenting opinion in Tokyo. And the same holds true for Germany:

 

“The so-called trial held according to the definition of crime now given by the victors obliterates the centuries of civilization which stretch between us and the summary slaying of a defeated in war. A trial with law thus prescribed would only be a sham employment of the legal process for the satisfaction of the thirst for revenge. It does not correspond to any idea of justice and may justly create the feeling that it is much more a political than a legal affair. To say that the Victor can define a crime at his will and then punish would be to revert back to those days when he was allowed to devastate an occupied country, appropriate all public and private property therein and kill the inhabitants or take them away into captivity.”

 

Mr. Reynolds, I will tell you that the United States, that the Soviet Union, that England, Canada, Belgium and France behave in exactly this manner!

 

In other words, the Indian judge calls them barbarians!

 

Radio Host: Okay, 685-9181. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

42 Zundel’s Commentary on the Radio Host’s Willingness to Let Him Speak Freely

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Ernst Zundel: Well, I have to admit to our listeners that in all the TV shows and in all the public debates and so on that I’ve ever made in North America, this one is turning out to be something else. This moderator is allowing me to say things unopposed. I can’t believe it! This has really in all honesty never happened to me before, that I would have been able to so openly state the German case and also to so openly and continuously attack the Allies. There is very little opposition from the callers that come in. We have had an Arab for the first time, an Arab coming to our defense. The reason why I am stressing the Arab is that I used to fight for the Arabic and Palestine Palestinian cause versus the Israelis with great vehemence and never received any support at all Over The Airwaves. And I was completely disgusted by it.

 

However, that was in Montreal. It does seem that the population composition of Vancouver is different and that this is why we can say more and be on the air.

 

43 Female Caller on the Amount of Hate Mongering That is Going On.

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Radio Host: Yes caller.

 

Caller (male): I really, I can’t understand this program this morning. It just seems to be made up of hate!

 

But what I want to say is that can you tell me any country in the world that has not done, you know, terrible things to other nations, like even right today, right in Ireland, look what’s going on. And because a madman, Hitler, and he was proven mad! I mean, because he did these things, why blame the German people? The German are well educated. They’re one of the smartest people in the world. And not saying there’s lots of other smart people, but just because one madman did it, why is it all this hate perpetuated?

 

Radio Host: Because of Mr. Friedrich, I think, and what he’s doing.

 

Caller (male): Jewish people, too, seem to have a heck of a lot of resentment.

 

44 Zundel’s Run for the Post of Leader of the Liberal Party in 1968

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Ernst Zundel: You see, it’s interesting, Mr. Reynolds, that I am supposed to be the hate monger. You can say about German people the most foul lies and the most horrible things. And you can say it over Canadian radio, over Canadian television. You can say it in Canadian newspapers and you can say it in our Canadian university textbooks. Mr. Reynolds, I went through your school system here and through your university system. I ran for the post of leader of the Liberal Party in 1968. I know what Canadians think, and I know what they do you know! You are the people, in effect, who have love on your lap and hate in your heart when it comes to Germans! It’s as simple as that!

 

Radio Host: How much did you get when you ran against Trudeau for the Liberal leadership?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: How many votes did you get?

 

Ernst Zundel: I purposely dropped out five minutes before the balloting.

 

Radio Host: Why?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because I wanted to make the statement that a man with his own money, totally independent, could run and arrive in Ottawa and make it to the same podium, speak to the Canadian people. And I spoke to them strictly about anti-German hate propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less! I’m not a megalomaniac. I know exactly the limits of my personality. But I use that as a platform to say:

 

“Canadians, look in the mirror, stop hating us, number one, we don’t deserve it, number one. Number two, it doesn’t make you look any better for kicking around on us!”

 

You know, it’s okay to kick around a defeated enemy, but after 30 years, it reflects on the guy that does the kicking.

 

Radio Host: Why didn’t you continue and see how many votes you’d get?

 

[1:18:47]

 

Ernst Zundel: I had no misconception that Trudeau was going to win the election because I understand my fellow Canadians. You know, they were swept up by Trudeau mania. The media manufactured it.

 

And since I didn’t have the media behind me, thanks to my infiltrated cronies in the press, I certainly had no chance, just as little as Robert Winders or Paul Helio or anybody else. But if I had made it.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much for being with us this morning. I don’t wish you any success because I think what you do, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Really, Mr. Reynolds, if I had made it, the country would be in much better shape, believe me.

 

Radio Host: Okay, well, that’s how you feel, I guess you’ve got the right in this country to do what you want to do.

 

Ernst Zundel: The results are obvious. Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much.

 

45 Zundel’s Commentary on the Whole Program and Practical Advice to Callers

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Ernst Zundel: Little remarkable remains to be said about this interview. On the whole, it is one of the most remarkable ones that I have done because of the length and because of the truth that I was able to say. Believe me, in 90% of the cases I couldn’t have been on that radio station for five minutes, and I would have been cut off.

 

But it seems that either the mood of the population is changing, or that the mood of the men in the media is changing, or that this man in particular doesn’t like what is happening and is using me as a mouthpiece. I do not know. I don’t understand it.

 

But as they say in English, why should I look a gift horse in the mouth? The program cost me nothing. The radio station paid for the telephone call. And my cause and my German people’s cause has been once again well defended and well served.

 

For those who are about to get into the media field, I think that this tape could serve as a good training tape, if I may say so, with all modesty, if you pardon the pun. But I have done so many of these radio shows that I’m beginning to consider myself somewhat of an expert.

 

Look at some of the callers that call in. They are amateurs and you can tell that they are amateurs. They are wandering all over the landscape. And again and again the moderator has to remind them:

 

“Make your point. Make your point! What’s your point? Come to your point!”

 

In other words, if you’re going to call in a program like that, write down what you want to say point for point, Rehearse it a little, say it out loud. Nobody’s around anyways. Most people are at work. And then state your case clearly, succinctly and carefully.

 

I learned my lessons and worked hard in polishing my media stance. I just wish I could have more opportunities like this one to make use of my 10 years of training, my 20 years of training, actually. And naturally, more than anything else, I wish I could do it back home in Germany.

 

However, there must be people who have to do it over here in North America. And as long as we are here, working here, living here, it is our duty to speak out and to stand up for what is right and for what is true. Naturally, I appeal, since this is in English, to all our many English speaking friends across this land, the United States and around the world.

 

This problem is not a German problem. It is your problem. It is our problem. It is a world problem. The German people didn’t create it, you helped create it. If you are too young, your father or your grandfather helped to create it. Now it’s your responsibility and my responsibility, our responsibility to change it. Because we live in this world together. It is up to you and I to pass on to our children and to future generations a better world, a healthier world, an honest world, a clean world and an unpolluted world. Not only unpolluted, that we have clear streams, clear oceans, clean air, but also clean brains! And thoroughly cleaned souls! Because we without those two, the other will, number one, not matter, and number two cannot be achieved.

 

Therefore, it is almost ironic that this problem of undetermined propaganda, of hate programs against Germans drag down those who do the hating and inhibit them in growing, because hate makes blind. And throughout this program you will have noticed that I speak very firmly and very quickly and very much to the point, but never with hate.

 

When in my early years and younger years I was so full of pain as to why and what had happened to Germany, and when I first discovered the horrendousness of this lie, I used to get so distraught that I suppose I hated, and I lost every radio program.

 

As a consequence I would say to check one’s emotions, to make sure one is relaxed, not tired, not agitated, and to try very hard to keep one’s emotions under control because the public airwaves are no medium for sounding like some raving lunatic. Speak by all means with feeling, but never with hate. Otherwise you will lose your audience, you will not be understood, and many people won’t be able to follow you. Therefore, try to state your case without hesitation, without humming and hawing, and rather be short and to the point than try to be long winded. And always keep in mind to whom you are speaking. If you are speaking to Canadians, address them on Canadian topics such as Canadian concentration camps, Canadian war crimes and Canadian skeletons in their closets. Don’t roam around the world about the 1918 revolution and this control and that stuff. Nobody’s interested.

 

[1:27:06]

 

Another thing to remember, stay away from figures. Nothing is more deadly and more boring than to discuss statistics and figures on radio. The counting of dead bodies is stupid and lurid and sad enough on paper, but it has absolutely no place on radio and not on television. I have seen how people have lost audiences left, right, front and center because they try to impress them with their knowledge of figures. Believe me, you can use it as a tactic to throw your opponent, of course, but don’t ever think you can score points. It’s a waste of time and it’s a waste of airtime. Stick to simple things that people can relate to, like stealing somebody’s property, beating, raping, mugging, torture, prison, stuff like that. Now that they can see every now night on television, they can relate to that. And if you relate that to them in our case, your point will be well made. Otherwise you’re going to get bogged down in 6 million and 9 million, minus 472,000 and so on. So many jews in Poland and all this, it is useless! Nobody cares. Nobody cares!

 

People basically think what the Germans did was monstrous because all they can relate to is that they might know a jew who is nice, or a jewish woman or jewish kid whom they like. And of course we murdered in effect the people whom they liked. So what we have to say is exactly what I said in this program. It is not our fault. We didn’t start this whole mess, somebody else did. It could have been solved differently if people had been willing.

 

Now, we don’t want to shoulder all the blame.

 

 

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Monika Schaefer: All right. Greetings. Hello, good afternoon, good evening, good morning, wherever you might be listening from. You are listening to Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org and this is episode 27 of The Flipside with Monika. And I am your host, Monika Schaefer. And I am very pleased that my guest today will be Germar Rudolf.

 

Before I bring him on, though, I have some announcements, you could say, a public service announcement. And one is about an event, and the other is sad news that we will talk about with Germar together.

 

But the first one has to do with there’s a meeting going to happen in Powell River, British Columbia, Canada, and that is on the West coast. It’s on the Sunshine Coast. And I am telling you this because if you know anybody that’s on Vancouver Island or in Vancouver or along the Sunshine Coast, please tell them about this meeting because they should go! What it is Leah Gazan, that is the Member of Parliament from Manitoba, who has introduced a Bill last Autumn that is to criminalize the promotion of hatred against indigenous people. If you are condoning or justifying or downplaying the historical and lasting impact of residential schools.

 

Now, these are these Indian residential schools in Canada that I have spoken about before. She will be in Powell River this coming Monday, January 20th. And just a little bit about her. She has this thing called “being a survivor”. I mean, it’s in her blood, on her maternal side. Her grandmother was a Lakota Indian and apparently was a survivor of a school. And her grandfather was Chinese. And her paternal grandparents, they were both jewish. Father was born in Holland, the paternal grandfather, I should say. And he was a toddler when Germany invaded, and he spent the war years in hiding in Holland. And the grandmother was in a concentration camp apparently in Germany. So Leah Gazan has this survivorship all really, she’s expert at it. She’s got it down pat. She introduced this bill. To me, this Bill sounds very, very similar to the Holocaust denial bills in various countries, including in Germany, where myself and my brother Alfred were both in prison.

 

And so, yeah, it’s an issue that I think is really important.

 

Now, the woman who is the local MP there on the Sunshine Coast and Powell River, somebody Blaney*, I can’t remember her first name. She says:

 

“It’s not debatable that it occurred.”

 

And she’s talking about the residential schools happening. Yes, they did happen, just like the work camps in Germany happened.

 

 

And another parallel, you see. So she says:

 

“Every time we act as though it’s debatable that it occurred, we are silencing the voices of people and their families and their loved ones who went through that lived experience.”

 

Again, I see so many parallels with the Holocaust and this is our own, you know, Canadian so-called “genocide”. And they are going to criminalize you if you are merely skeptical about what they are telling us in that regard.

 

So that meeting again, if you have any friends in that area of either Vancouver Island or Vancouver or north on the Sunshine Coast, tell them about this meeting. It’s January 20th, starts at 5 pm at the Evergreen Theater. And yeah, that was that public service announcement.

 

And then I have sad news that a great man in our movement and that is the, you could say the “Revisionist” movement. I personally am not fond of that word. I would rather call it “Correctionist”. We are correcting history that we’ve been lied to about.

 

Nevertheless, Jurgen Graf (15 August 1951 – 13 January 2025), he has passed away this week, Monday, January 13th. And like Germar Rudolf, Jurgen Graf is a giant in our movement of trying to get the truth out there. He not only wrote books, he translated many books, and he apparently was very fluent in quite a few languages. And I think that Germar will be able to tell us more about that after I bring Germar on.

 

 

And I think at the beginning I was distracted by the fact that we didn’t have Germar on yet. I forgot to tell you the date today is January 18, 2025.

 

Also, just a little reminder that if you possibly can, dear listener, if you have the means, please remember that this is a listener supported network and if you go to RepublicBroadcasting.org you will find all the information there for how you can support the network either through phone number, through PayPal, through mailing cash or check. There are different means. There’s a donate button there and there’s the information there.

 

So all right, now I see that we have Germar here. I’ll just give a little bit of background and then I’m going to bring him on.

 

Germar Rudolf has written books. He has published many books through this codoh.com, that’s Committee on Open Debate on the Holocaust and Castle Hills Publishers. He will tell us more about all these things. The latest big work is the Holocaust Encyclopedia. Fantastic information in there! And he has been under the gun for all these things.

 

[Image: Jurgen, Carlo, and Germar]

 

Now he comes from Germany, he is a PhD level chemist, became curious about certain things that were a little bit of anomalies there in Auschwitz and then started to investigate and get into some trouble he is in the United States. I have no idea where, but he is on the line now. And Germar, are you there? Greetings to you.

 

Germar Rudolf: I am. Can you hear me?

 

[08:33]

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, we can. So would you like to just before we get into, actually two topics. One would be to talk a little bit about your dear friend Jurgen Graf, and also your latest adventure, or shall we say your latest encounter with “the system” in quotation.

 

Before we get into that, would you like to expand a little bit about your history in case we have some new listeners? I’m always hoping that we have new listeners. And on that note, I do encourage listeners to share these programs with others who you think need to hear these programs. Okay, go ahead, Germar.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes. Well, where do I start? Shall we start with my dear friend Jurgen?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, let’s start there and then we’ll go into these other matters. Please do.

 

 

Germar Rudolf: We both had a similar introduction into revisionism in the early 1990s. We both learned about skepticism on the mainstream Holocaust narrative via the Canadian free speech trial by Ernst Zundel, the second one of 1989, where American expert on execution technologist Fred Leuchter appeared as a witness. And his report [The Leuchter Report] caused quite some stir internationally. Well, internationally you can say, it was translated into a lot of languages. And both Jurgen and I found out about it, got curious about what’s going on since forensic evidence is considered superior to any other, in particular to anecdotal evidence. We both picked up our ears. He was, however, a linguist and not a scientist, where I was a scientist and not a linguist.

 

[See: Book: White World Awake! — Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk]

 

Actually, as a matter of fact, I couldn’t speak any foreign languages. My English back then was so bad that I couldn’t even read normal English text fluently.

 

So he is fluent in, or was, I should say, unfortunately, 12 languages, if I’m correct, maybe it may have been more. And he took a historical-social approach to the topic. He was in touch with French scholar Dr. Robert Farrisson, who is one of the early leading lights in Holocaust skepticism and learned from him the ropes and then started writing a book in seclusion. And I was at the same time going down the scientific, the forensic rabbit hole, trying to figure out whether the infamous Zyklon B deployed in Auschwitz, presumably for mass murdering jews, could have left any long term traces in the Masonry of those alleged gas chambers. And if it could have left them, would they survive the time? And if they survived the time, could we still find them there?

 

[Image: Fred Leuchter holding up his original report]

 

So there’s this question that was raised by Fried Leuchter. But it was answered too hastily, too superficially. And I wanted to figure out really properly. I was not doing it in seclusion because as an expert witness, I was then actually showing up in various German trials, summoned by defense teams to testify on behalf of people who were on trial for, quote, unquote, “Holocaust denial”. And that, of course, I had to have my name under the expert report I wrote. And I had to appear under my real name as a witness. And that got me straight away in the cross-hairs of the authorities who were targeting me. And persecution started right there.

 

My expert report and a popularized book that was broadening the scope to many more topics. Both were published in 1993. At the same time Jurgen Graf had also published his two books. One called “The Holocaust Swindle”. The other one is “The Holocaust on a Test Stand”.

 

And we found out about each other’s existence only when we heard that each other’s books had been published. It was a little bit surprising because our point of contact should have been Robert, who was in contact with both of us, who advised us. And he actually kind of proofread my first version of my expert report to make sure that from his point of view, everything is straightened out. And he found a few flaws in it, fix it, helped me along the way.

 

But anyway, he kept us separate. So we found out about each other sometime in 93. We met for the first time in 94, which was about the time that he got in touch with Italian researcher Carlo Mattogno, who is probably the most knowledgeable Holocaust expert on the whole planet. He was just gearing up back then, and the way he geared up, he wanted to go, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to all the archives that were containing massive amounts of documents on the camps where “it” is supposed to have happened, whatever “it” is.

 

They were tucked away for decades after the war. The Soviets or Poles, or whoever, had tucked them away for the most part, were not accessible, or not even known to exist to Western scholars, or any scholars for that matter. And after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they became known and accessible.

 

So Carlo Mattogno, who couldn’t speak neither Polish nor Russian, wanted to get into these archives. Jurgen Graf was fluent both in Russian and Polish. So they teamed up and went on numerous trips to various places where the “crime of the century” is said to have happened. To get not only a forensic look at the leftovers in those camps, but also go into the archives, copy thousands and tens of thousands of documents, and started analyzing these. They sat down and wrote a number of books together, one on Treblinka, one on Majdanek. They are probably the most well known that they did together. They are part of the Holocaust Handbook series that I then started publishing.

 

So we were kind of a trio with Carlo Mattogno doing most of the hard archival work. Jurgen Graf was being the interpreter, doing the journeys and he was translating Carlo’s Italian stuff into German for me. I was the publisher initially only in German, and later when I was in English or American exile, polishing up my English, improving it to the point where I could actually publish academic level texts, was the one who was getting the message out.

 

 

Over the decades to this point, we have published 53 hard hitting archival forensic studies, for the most part. It’s the most comprehensive research study series on the Holocaust that exists in the world. It puts any mainstream work to shame! And it is the one series that makes the saying true that:

 

“The Holocaust is the best investigated and documented event in history.”

 

But not as the mainstream claims, but we are the ones who actually document it. The mainstream has, since the war, until the Soviet Union collapsed, collected anecdotal evidence. That’s not documented history! That is “chatted” history.

 

[16:04]

 

Monika Schaefer: I like that what you said, because that’s always what they say:

 

“This is the best documented event in history!”

 

And yeah, it is.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes it is! Because of holocausthandbooks.com. So 53 books, so much information and they’re complete overkill! Carlo Mattogno has the ability to go into the last nooks and crannies and describe every nut and bolt that was ever fixed in a German concentration camp because so much is documented. The Germans with a bureaucratic frenzy had documented every pencil then pushed from the left to the right of their desks. So I exaggerate here a little, of course.

 

Monika Schaefer: [chuckling] I think that’s great what you say, because the Germans are kind of, shall we say, putting it politely, they’re teased for being very meticulous about detail. So that is very important. It’s exciting.

 

Germar Rudolf: And it is fortunate because when it comes to two of the most important camps Majdanek and Auschwitz, there are mountains of documents! And the claim that the Germans destroyed something because they wanted to hide their crimes, it’s just wrong! No, they left it all behind. The Russians grabbed it and hid it in archives. And now it has become accessible, for a while.

 

In 1998, 99, the German government put both the Polish and the Russian government under pressure to close the archives and make them accessible only to accredited, officially recognized scholars. So we were excluded again from that point onward. But by that time we had enough material and we think the most important material to actually fill all these studies.

 

Now there is so much material that I have published over the past 35 years, both in English and German, over and over again in new editions and transformed into audio books and ebooks and all the rest of it.

 

And I had all this knowledge and access to it, but I had no overview. Even though I should be the one that has the best overview. It was just too much information even for me to retain. Many times I was looking for something that I know is written in some of the books. Where can I find that information? And I could pinpoint 3, 4, 5 volumes where it probably is. I had to look it up and search until I finally find it in one of my PDF files. And it happened over and over again! And finally I was sick of it!

 

And we had the idea we need to do something about it. An encyclopedia needs to be done, where certain keywords and buzzwords can be looked up and all the pertinent information is right there with a reference where you can find it mostly in our own books, but also mainstream literature, in periodicals, articles and so forth, whatever the case may be. So that the eternal search for something:

 

“I know I published it! Where is it? I can’t find it! This or this, or this?”

 

It finally ends! If I want all the witnesses that have ever claimed that flames shoot out of chimneys, which for technical reasons it is impossible, it’s invented. This is a cliche of the Holocaust that you can now find which witnesses have said it. How do I know? I go to the Encyclopedia. “Flames coming out of chimney” is an entry in there. Boom! There’s a long list of witnesses, all of which have copied from each other and all of which have lied!

 

 

And so there are a lot of features of the Holocaust where you can do that. And you look it up and boom, there it is! You will find it in no other resource. It’s wonderful! And I finally don’t have to search my own books anymore because I have it summarized.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yay!

 

Germar Rudolf: Yay!

 

So it was a selfish enterprise to finally not have to do it anymore. But the thing has been out for two years. We’re in a third edition now. So print on demand. We always make new editions that we keep up to date and correct whatever corrections are necessary. We have sold so far 2,000 copies. Roughly 2,000 copies direct marketing mainly of a specialized encyclopedia. This is unique! We are completely banned from Amazon. No libraries buy our book. Normally these specialty encyclopedias almost exclusively get bought by mid size and large libraries. There is no market really for it. But this one is such an amazing book. People read it cover to cover because every entry is just wonderful!

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, I can attest to that. I can attest to that. One of those is getting into my home. [chuckling]

 

Germar Rudolf: We are getting off the track. We were with Jurgen Graf.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, well, we wanted to talk about., … But you know, this is great anyway because I did want you to give some of your own history. And in so doing this is what is going on. So that’s fantastic!

 

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Germar Rudolf: And just that was created by this trio of Carlo Mattogno, Jurgen Graf and me. I’m putting it out, making it fit for publication, present it that is presentable and accessible. Jurgen Graf has done a lot of the translation work, at least for the German edition. And Carlo Mattogno is the heart and the engine of the whole operation with producing most of the stuff.

 

So one of these trio of massive revisionist, skeptical producers of hard hitting scholarly material has now died, unfortunately, just a week ago. And I’m very sad for that.

 

I met him the last time in 2002. He came visit me with his wife. Back then I lived in Alabama, and he was with me for two weeks. We went hiking, we sang our German hiking songs and even back home we were having some campfire romance without the campfire, but the romance was there with singing folk songs. His wife Oda, Belarussian, and she is rooted into Russian tradition of Russian folk music. And there are some German folk music songs which have been translated or borrowed, should say, from Eastern European countries. They have a little bit of a Russian feel to them when it comes to the melody. And she loved it! Listening to music that sounded like home in the middle of America sung in the German language. A cultural mix that was quite amazing!

 

Anyway, we had a good time, last time I met him in person. Wonderful fellow, dear friend and a genius when it comes to languages. Speaking Indonesian, Chinese and almost all of the European languages they can come up with. A fantastic fellow! Unfortunately a victim of cancer.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, I’ll add, I only got to know him and not in person, not face to face like you, just in the last couple of years because, and I think this is probably it turned out to be one of the last major pieces of work he did because he did become ill during this project. But he did translate my book “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust” into German. And we worked together on that. He would, because I do have a fairly good knowledge in German, he would send me chapter by chapter as he was translating. And I must say he does his translating work from his head. He does not use any computer translating, what do you call it, program? So it is, I think, very, very superior translation because he would just describe something the way one would say it in German, rather than sentence by sentence, just fixing the grammar or whatever. But really I think the German book turned out better because he made improvements and then the publisher did as well. So usually the translation of a book is not as good as the original, but in this case, that is not correct. I think the German book turned out better because of Jurgen Graf’s amazing work!

 

And so each chapter he’d sent me, and then if he didn’t, I would read them, and if it didn’t quite get the gist of this or that in the telling, then I would give him my feedback and he would make the corrections to that, and then we’d send it off to the publisher bit by bit by bit.

 

And I got to know this man, and not only is he a genius with knowing, I didn’t know that until a few days ago that he knew so many languages. Somebody told me 15 languages. I don’t know if that is correct, exact. But he obviously was a genius. He was a genius, but not only in the languages and also in his knowledge about historical events, but a very, very nice man! Good humor, just really sensitive. I have nothing but good things to say about this man. I’m going to pass it back to you, Germar, please.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, yes, absolutely! He was an artist when it comes to two languages. He would turn a book, a text in general that was a little dry, a little on the boring side, a little bit too technical, turned it into a text that was wonderful to read. He enlivened text with spirit! Sometimes he put in irony and sarcasm where I think it was deserved, because some of the material you have to deal with as a Holocaust skeptic is really absurd and sometimes even grotesque. Now, with scholarly text, you have to be careful with sarcasm and irony. And he was pushing it a little bit too much at times. [chuckling]

 

But when it comes to my. To my personal flavor, I would say:

 

“Right on, give it to them!”

 

Sometimes I had to edit it out because the author didn’t want that. So he wants it to be dry because such a controversial topic, he doesn’t want to ruffle any feathers.

 

But anyway, other than that, yes, he constantly, systematically turned text into something that was better, that was more pleasant to read. So it was wonderful!

 

He focused on translating from the 12 languages. German, French, English, Russian, Polish, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Spanish, Italian, you name it. He was roaming throughout Europe, and he would lecture in those languages live in those countries to audiences. This is amazing! You have to have this fluent ability to speak and express yourself expertly in all of these languages. And he taught many years German, I think, in other languages in Indonesia and in China. So he learned those languages too, along the process. So quite amazing! Quite amazing!

 

Monika Schaefer: Germar, I have a question regarding the translating services that he did. The work that he did he translate in both directions? Like, for example, would he translate a German book into French or Italian or whichever other language? Did he do that, or did he mainly translate other languages into German?

 

[27:18]

 

Germar Rudolf: He could, but he refused to. He has done here and there, English text, but he knew that his command of those other languages is not on par level with what he expected the quality of his translations to be. Therefore, he usually refused to do that, and only when pushed would he agree to that.

 

So, yeah, mostly he would translate from those languages into German, and not the other way round.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

So I think we’re gonna be at the break soon. And the original intent to invite you on my show was to speak about your latest adventures, or misadventures. But I am so glad that you were able to talk about Jurgen Graf, because you know him better than most of us, certainly a lot better than myself. And I just think this was very, very important to talk about him.

 

And we will talk about some of the things that you, I think you were arrested. Why don’t you just start on that? And then when the break comes, we’ll go to the other side.

 

Germar Rudolf: Well a little bit of the background. If people had humor in this country, you know, I’d say the cliche is the Germans don’t have humor because I tell people:

 

“Well, because in Germany, humor is illegal. You can go to prison for it. Therefore, Germans are not inclined to make jokes.”

 

So I say:

 

“The shortest German joke is ‘Auschwitz’, because the German word for joke is ‘witz’.”

 

So the last syllable of Auschwitz is the word witz. So Auschwitz is a witz. Auschwitz is a joke!

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, wonderful!

 

Germar Rudolf: You go to prison for that if you say that! And there are so many other [word unclear], you make jokes about mass immigration, about minorities, you go to prison for that!

 

So if you have a culture for decades, it started with Frederick the Great, and he started the censorship in Germany, and it’s been a tradition ever since. And it’s gotten worse and worse and worse with the first pinnacle, you can say, under the Nazis. And now in modern Germany, again.

 

Monika Schaefer: So Germar, we’ll carry on with this after the break and so I hope everybody hangs on and we’ll talk to you in a few minutes. Thank you.

 

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Monika Schaefer: All right, welcome back to The Flipside with Monika. I will give out the numbers now if you’d like to call in and join our conversation with our very special guest, Germar Rudolf. And the numbers are, 512-248-8252, or 1-800-313-9443.

 

Now, I just want to say that what I have seen of just the accomplishments of Germar Rudolf is that he must be one of the hardest working people that I know. And it is just phenomenal, how in German there’s a word “fleisig”, he’s just very hard working man. And so I just want to thank him now publicly for all the work that he has done over the years, over the many years and paid quite a price for all that work.

 

Now, Germar, I wrote you a letter and I don’t think you got that letter. And let me tell you where I sent that letter. I wrote it on December 27th and this is after our long mail strike in Canada. Finally, things were moving a little bit, although they were moving pretty slow, but I think you still wouldn’t have got it. I sent it on December 27th to Cattaraugus County Jail. Am I saying that right? Where is that? And what were you doing there? [chuckling]

 

Germar Rudolf: I was moved from there the day before. So you wrote it a day after I had been moved from there. So it would have been completely an effort in futility. Cattaraugus Jail, Cattaraugus County is, if I’m not mistaken, the West most county or one of the West most counties of upstate New York.

 

I was driving in my car west. I was planning to go to a dear friend of mine who had succumbed to cancer and was having health problems. And she was the last survivor of her family and had no one really. And I said:

 

“I’m coming over, I’m taking care of you. I can take my stuff with me and work from there and we’ll just have a good time, whatever time is left for you.”

 

Because she was terminal and they didn’t give her a lot of time, even though it turned out at the end it was even faster than they had predicted.

 

Anyway, I was on the way there and I got pulled over by the police because there was allegedly an arrest warrant out for me for or some minor thing in a different state, that is to say Pennsylvania. And normally that is a non-extradition affair because for misdemeanors they don’t go through the hoops of making extraditions. It’s very complicated. It goes from one state to the next and it’s time intensive and cost intensive and usually they don’t do that. And actually my case was marked as non-extraditable. So they called the Pennsylvania prosecutors and evidently that changed their mind. And he said:

 

“Yes, we want him.”

 

Monika Schaefer: And just on that note, I’m going to interject here. Do you think that this changing of their minds had anything to do with your volumes of work that you do? Even though this was on a completely unrelated trivial charge from a couple of years ago? What do you think?

 

Germar Rudolf: Pure speculation! Fact of the matter is, the case was two and a half years old. And in those two and a half years I have written an encyclopedia and the team I’m working with on marketing and all the rest of it, we had quite some success lately. As I mentioned, we have so far sold 2,000 copies to normal people for all walks of life. This is completely unusual!

 

So we have two unusual things. Normally a person doesn’t sit down and writes an encyclopedia. That’s to say teamwork of many scholars usually and takes a long time. And I wrote that thing in just five months.

 

So this is an unusual. A Singularity in history because I had all this knowledge already gathered and on my desk and right there at my fingertips. I was in a unique situation to be able to do that.

 

And then I had all the energy after my family had collapsed. It’s a different drama story.

 

[40:59]

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m very sorry. I’m very sorry.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. That has a long story. I don’t want to go into detail, anyway.

 

Monika Schaefer: No, we don’t really have time to get into those.

 

Germar Rudolf: Anyway. I was a caregiver of three children and ran a household. That was my primary thing. Revisionism, I was doing on the side.

 

And then suddenly all this disappeared and I was without purpose and aim. And a good friend of mine gave me purpose and aim back by saying:

 

“We need this encyclopedia because nobody can wrap their heads around this massive amount of work of 53 volumes. Impossible. You want to read it by the time you reach the middle you have already forgotten at the beginning!”

 

So I sat down, did it and then we got a good marketing strategy. It’s actually working! We’re breaking through all the censorship and blocking attempts of the enemy, going directly to the customer, circumventing anything of what they have put into the roadblocks there. Working wonderful!

 

Does it have an impact? When I saw we’re having more success, I said to one of my associates:

 

“Looking at past successes we ever had, knowing that as soon as we have success, the hammer falls. Some big move comes and they shut everything down.”

 

So something is coming our way. We don’t know yet what it’s going to be. Is it that? I don’t know. Behind the scenes, maybe it is, maybe it’s not so pure speculation at this point.

 

Now, coming back to what the background is of, why is there an arrest warrant for me. Let me get back to the humor and try your American-Canadian humor. Talking about cultural collisions. So as an immigrant who, by the time I came, had a fairly good command of the English language already. Not perfect, but fairly good, what struck me, coming from England to America, one of the first things, driving in people’s cars, showing me the countryside, is that you guys park on driveways and drive on parkways. You people need to clean up your language! [Monika’s laughing]

 

So this is a joke. But no, there’s a second, and that’s where it gets serious. If I were to buy, as a boy, boy shorts and wear them as boy shorts, should that be acceptable?

 

Monika Schaefer: The boy shorts, you say, or body shorts? I didn’t quite catch that.

 

Germar Rudolf: Boy shorts.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

 

Germar Rudolf: Okay. I’m in the habit of doing triathlons, and that time I was doing triathlons very early in the morning. It started, actually, when I was at the military. I rode my bicycle 20 miles to the barracks early in the morning. And I realized that normal bicycle clothes for men, almost everything, particularly the warmer ones for the wintertime, they’re all black! And back in the days, there were no LED lights.

 

But if you have LED light, it doesn’t matter. You have so little light on the bicycle. You have black clothes. You don’t get seen by cars. You could get run over. I had near collisions with cars because they weren’t seeing me a number of times. And I threw away all this standard clothes for cycling and went into a store to find gaudy clothes! Neon anything. Neon yellow, green, pink, whatever it is, I want to be seen because I don’t want to get run over!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

 

Germar Rudolf: So that was prior to the Internet. I had to actually go to a store for sportswear, and I couldn’t find anything in the men’s department. I went to the women’s department. Rainbow colors, neon pink, neon green. Everything is there! Can’t find in the men’s departments, all black, gray, brown, dark blue. Suicide clothes! I’m not gonna wear this!

 

So I went to the women’s department and got the shorts and the jogging pants there that have these gaudy colors. I don’t give a rat’s arse. There’s no sex assigned.

 

Monika Schaefer: Besides just to remind, you were going at like early hours of the morning when it was still dark. That’s the idea.

 

Germar Rudolf: Having coming to America the issue is that in the areas I lived initially it was as I mentioned in Alabama. But then in southern Pennsylvania, summers gets quite hot. Hotter than the summers are in Europe from what I’m used to.

 

And if you go to triathlons, you don’t want to wear cyclopants which you can’t go swimming with and you can’t do jogging with. And I was doing also calisthenics. So I needed different clothes. We had the Internet, I went on the Internet and I wanted short legged shorts, gaudy colors. And I found online a pink pair of boy shorts. Wonderful! That’s exactly what I want. Can’t ride up. Keeps my thighs, where there’s massive heat from cycling is produced. Free. So that can cool. And what I didn’t know is that boy shorts is a type of women underwear!

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, [chuckling] I didn’t know that either.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, boy shorts are for girls and girl shorts are for boys! Which brings us back to the yeah, so you can laugh. Everyone can laugh. The problem is some people cannot laugh. If I have pink boy shorts riding on a bicycle that has even pink emblazoned on it. And I don’t know that this is a prominent women’s underwear brand! [chuckling]

 

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Monika Schaefer: So Germar, I have to just kind of cut in here because we’ve got to cut to the chase a little bit.

 

And one thing that you told me on the phone, only because we’re running out of time, I’m enjoying this so much. Don’t get me wrong, this is a lot of fun. But we also do have a caller on the line. But I’ll bring him in soon. But not right away.

 

But one thing you told me on the phone because the whole thing is you got charged with something, what do they call it, “indecency” or something?

 

But you told me nothing was seen by anyone. Nothing! But wasn’t that something the prosecutor actually said?:

 

“Nothing was seen by anyone.”

 

Germar Rudolf: The police report said when they interviewed says:

 

“They didn’t see any genitals, anything exposed.”

 

They charge me for indecent exposure anyway because of a case where they said:

 

“Well even if nobody’s there and nothing is seen, if you expose yourself, you’re still doing indecent exposure.”

 

It’s a new case law and the legal profession is up in arms because that’s nonsense! Anyone pulling their pants down with no one around 4:00 in the middle of a night going pee. It’s also medically induced exposure.

 

In other words, we all are guilty of it because at some point when we were hiking, we had to do some business. Indecent exposure, right there! If you confess to having done it, you’re done! It’s insane!

 

Monika Schaefer: It is why I posed that rhetorical question. I’ll just say it was a rhetorical question. Do you think that all of this has anything to do with your actual work of publishing all these politically incorrect volumes and books?

 

Now, just before we bring on Chance from West Virginia, and we’re not forgetting about you. Thank you. But where can people get your books and where can people go to find those things? Because we’ve talked a lot about the Holocaust Encyclopedia. I think it’s probably pretty straightforward, isn’t it?

 

Now I’m going to put these things into my chat room, which is at Flipside Mo Chatango. I did put Codoh already in there for people who are visiting the chat room. But just tell us where they can get your books and then I’ll invite Chance onto the call.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. The Holocaust Encyclopedia can be accessed, all the information free of charge and a version downloaded free of charge. Or you can buy either ebooks or printed books at holocaustencyclopedia.com Very easy.

 

The Holocaust Handbooks, the 53 I mentioned can be had at holocausthandbooks.com. Very easy. Now if you go to Holocaust Encyclopedia, it has a link in the top menu it says bookstore. You click on that and you’ll get to the general bookstore, which is armreg.co.uk. Armreg is ARMREG. That’s kind of Germar backwards. It’s actually Gamra, so couldn’t make it quite fit because it is actually Academic Research Media Review and Education Group limited. That’s what it stands for. But it was designed to kind of be my first name backward because that’s the legacy.

 

Anyway, these are the ways to get to the stuff. Just brief thing. Is there a link? Yes. When I was at my hearing two and a half years ago when they charged me with this, the prosecutor, when it was about bail or not, said:

 

“Not only do I have these weird habits of wearing weird clothes and gaudy colors and do stuff in the early morning, but I’m also an intellectual pervert because I’m the leading international Holocaust denier who dodges the law by running from one country to another. And that’s the reason why I shouldn’t be allowed to get bailed.”

 

So there you have it. Clear violation of First Amendment. Throwing stuff in there has nothing to do with it. And declaring me an intellectual pervert because I dare to single handedly write an encyclopedia. That’s perversion!

 

Monika Schaefer: Bingo. There you have it. They’re trying to charge you with being a pervert. But it’s the intellectual pervert that they are calling you.

 

Okay, Chance from West Virginia. And we do have only a few minutes left and we’ve also got another caller on the line. So please give your comment or question for Germar.

 

Chance: Hello. Yes, yes, gutenab Monika and Herr Rudolf. I couldn’t believe Jurgen Graf has passed away. He’s only nine years older than me.

 

Now, Mr. Rudolf, you rekindled my memory hearing Jurgen Graf’s name. I went to my personal library and I pulled out a book that I bought over to 20 years ago, if you can recall it. The Giant with Feet of Clay.

 

Germar Rudolf: Of course. I published it. Yes.

 

 

Chance: Yes. Raul Hilberg and his standard work on the Holocaust. Yes, and I like that phrase that Raul Hilberg made in the lower right hand corner of the book:

 

“Superficiality is the major disease in the field of Holocaust studies.”

 

Germar Rudolf: Includes him!

 

 

Chance: Yes, yes. And can I ask you another question, Mr. Rudolf? You wrote a book in German with Sybil Schroeder, it says. I’m skimming through the book right. Now I’m going to reread it again to refresh my memory. I haven’t read it in 15 years. Do you still write with Sybil Schroeder?

 

Germar Rudolf: Sibyl Schroeder was a pen name of Ingrid Weckert. And that was not a book, that was an article. And it was included as an introduction to the article on Einsatzgruppen murders in Dissecting the Holocaust. You can find it there.

 

Chance: Yes. It was written in the German language.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. It’s translated in English, in Dissecting the Holocaust.

 

Chance: Yes. Yes. This book here, the Giant with Feet of Clay is, I think, the English edition is 2001, I believe. I purchased this book quite a while ago. And Jurgen Graf would have only been 73 or 74 years old when he passed away, correct?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, 73.

 

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Monika Schaefer: He was born in 1951, so in August.

 

Chance: Rather young.

Germar Rudolf: The Giant with Feet of Clay exists now in a new edition that was put out just two and a half years ago. Updated and you can find it as I mentioned on armreg.co.uk. You search for “giant”, and boom, there it is.

 

Chance: If I may ask you real quick before I hang up, if you don’t mind. What part of Germany are you from?

 

Germar Rudolf: Northwest of Frankfurt. That’s where I was born and grew up.

 

Chance: My relatives are from the Black Forest region, originally.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay, Chance, I’m going to let you go. Not to be rude, but we do have several more callers in just a few minutes left. Thank you very much for calling.

 

So, Joe from Florida, are you there? Mr. Producer? Yeah, is that Joe? Hello?

 

Joe: Hey, Monika, thanks for taking my call.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, all right. Do you have a question?

 

Joe: Yeah, real quick. By the way, I just want to validate what Germar was saying. I’m a crazy addicted man who’s a bike rider and I know exactly what he means about wearing light clothes at night. I totally identify, just FYI. So I validate that.

 

But here’s the thing. It’s my opinion, Germar, that you are, and Monika and the great Ernst Zundel, you have all done the thing, which is, in my opinion, you have paid great tribute to your ancestors. Okay? And speaking as somebody with Swiss German heritage, we need to honor you and for you and for Monika and somebody like Ernst Zundel.

 

But it’s interesting. I want to see your idea. It seems as though it was almost necessary for each of you in your own way to actually get out of the homeland, get out of Germany in order to be free enough and courageous, I have to say, to write and do the work that you’ve done that has done such great tribute to your ancestors, who were very viciously maligned by the jewish Mafia in this country and in Germany, which they controlled. What do you think about this idea that it was necessary to emigrate?

 

Germar Rudolf: This is a German tradition. Karl Marx had to go to England to write his books. He couldn’t do it in Germany.

 

Now, that’s the polar opposite of maybe, in a way, but there is a tradition. There were German Professors who were fighting for national unification of Germany in the 1840s. And they all had to leave Germany, or many of them, because they were persecuted and they had brought to work from outside Germany. Unfortunately, that is tradition that comes with a tradition of censorship and oppression in Germany that has been there for centuries. It’s not a domain of National Socialism. It’s a domain of German culture and tradition unfortunately. People do not fight for their freedom of speech. They are easy to submit to government demands of ratting out neighbors and thinking pretty correct. And forming a lynch mob against dissidents. That’s an unfortunate tradition in Germany, I must say.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, so that’s a very good observation, Joe, that you make, first of all, about people leaving to be able to speak, and also about honoring our ancestors. And sorry to let you go, but thank you for your call.

 

Joe: Thank you.

 

Monika Schaefer: And I’ll take another caller. And we just have a very short amount of time. Barbie from, I’ve lost where you’re from, but please, Mr. Producer, could you bring on. Yes, Washington, D.C.

 

Barbie: It’s Barbie from Washington, D.C.

 

Monika Schaefer: Barbie Novak!

 

Barbie: Yes, I want to talk about the nudity. And I wanted to stick up for him because I was a nude model in Washington, Las Vegas.

 

My art teacher from Harvard was a nude teacher. I’ve taken lessons with her. And she gave me three of her paintings. I bought one. I have three nude males in my storage. [chuckling] You know what I mean? And it’s like:

 

“What are they doing to him?”

 

Now the one thing is, I was going to sell those three paintings. No one on Ebay wanted them. They would give a million dollars for a nude female. Zero. They don’t even exist.

 

So I think you’re being prejudiced against because you’re a male and nude. And I love to be at your trial! I love to speak up for you! I’ll bring my three paintings, my nude males with me.

 

Monika Schaefer: Germar, please, can you tell people where and when the trial is that that she could come?

 

Germar Rudolf: It’s not scheduled yet. It’s not scheduled yet. The schedule may happen in late February, so I don’t know yet. When it comes to this, I’ve gotten in contact with people who call themselves nudists and naturists. And the first encounter I had after these things, and I found out I didn’t even know what that means. And I happened to live together with a guy who called himself naturist. And I must say, I’m neither of these things. I have a completely relaxed German attitude to my body. I think that the natural state of anyone’s body can’t be a crime in itself. It depends on what you do with it.

 

But I’m just coming from a different culture and I’m thoughtlessly changing in public from one pants to another without thinking anything, because that’s what everyone does in Germany. And I didn’t realize initially it’s a problem in this country. Even though it is not a sexual activity, it’s not indecent exposure. It’s decent exposure for a few seconds to change! And there are other things that are going on. I don’t do these things intentionally. It was cultural collision because it’s just different in Germany.

 

Monika Schaefer: I like that word. We’re going to end on that “cultural collision”.

 

And of course you know your intellectual [chuckling] activities that they didn’t like. Thank you so much, Germar. Thank you to the listeners and the callers and thank you to the producer. And we will catch you next week. Thank you everybody.

 

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(Comments as of 1/20/2025 = 3)

Blewitt
January 18, 22:31
I first learned of Holocaust Revisionism from a book written in the 1970s. This book was _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_ by Arthur Butz, who was a professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern University.

kati
January 19, 09:04
im living near Hannover in germany, von der Leyen is near me here, we are said to be the most humorless in germany, stocksteif hochdeutsch thats what we are, wir gehen zum Lachen in den Keller is a saying we have here, we are serious by nature. Even the most nothern germans at the coast have more humour, south germans sure anyway always, or famous rheinländisch humour, thats not the case here, we go into the basement if we have to laugh.

kati
January 19, 09:21
Gemma oDoherty did a 2 hour talk with Germar too, highly recommended, and Kevin Barrett too, sure he tells the story more detailed when he is over 2 hours at them.
Imho the police did a trap on him, it was on purpose they got him, Germar should be careful in future he does not run into another trap.
And his experience in the jail was pure nightmare for me, they put him on purpose to the blacks, i would be rather with turks together but never blacks, thats the worst. Here in germany the prisons are mostly filled with these, but Alfred sure made that experience. My record is clean, i keep my opinions private, if i had to go to prison here in germany i would lose the last bit i have.
Thanks for the show like always very amazing und Grüße aus Deutschland!

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Monika Schaefer: Hey, everybody. Greetings. You are listening to The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer and this is on the Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org. It is the 21st day of December in the year 2024. It is the solstice today. So that’s the shortest day in the northern lands and the longest day in the southern lands. And after this, the sun comes back, or if you’re in the southern hemisphere, I guess the days will get shorter for you!

 

Welcome. It is episode 24 of The Flipside with Monika. I have a few announcements and I guess housekeeping items to take care of and things to tell you about before I bring my guest on. My guest today, I’m very excited about this. I’ve been wanting this to happen for a long time. His name is Anthony Hall. He is a professor. Well, he’s a retired professor now at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta. I know him well. And we are going to present you with an interesting story.

 

But first I would just like to say that I’m going to take a little bit of a different approach to asking you to support the network.

 

So this is always a very uncomfortable part of my task because I feel like I’m asking for money, but I have to remind myself I’m not asking for money for myself. The hosts do not get money out of this. We do this because we know what is at stake and it is just critically important that we get to talk about the truth! I’ll just ask you to mute your mic, Tony, until you come on! No problem. Just some interference there.

 

So, yeah, so the reason, I’m just saying it always makes me a little uncomfortable because I don’t like to ask for money. I don’t want to guilt trip anybody. And again, it’s not for me personally. It is the network. It is a listener supported network.

 

And what I’m going to do is I’m just going to tell you the facts about it and then it’s up to you, [chuckling] dear listener.

 

So it is a network that is 90% listener supported and about 10% from the sponsors. So those would be the advertisers. And they have an operating budget. There’s the commercial internet, there’s telephone services. They have multiple lines. There are the satellite connections, there’s the electric bill, there’s rent. There’s equipment repair and replacement. And I can tell you that the staff do not earn much money. And there is free unlimited archives on the Republic Broadcasting Network and in fact, it obviously is a very, very important host, important messages, important things that are being done with this network because there are on average a quarter of a million downloads per month. Now there is unlimited free downloading on RepublicBroadcasting.org you can go there and download to your heart’s content and share these programs. So that happens a quarter of a million times per month. So that’s pretty big, I would say.

 

So anyway, that’s my little spiel and then it’s up to you. Just letting you know it is listener supported. And they are clean out of cash at the moment. So it is kind of a critical time.

 

Here are the numbers if you’d like to Support the network, 1-800-724-2719 or 512-246-9549 or just go to the website at Republicbroadcasting.org and there is a donate button there. You can also do it the old fashioned way by mail.

 

And by the way, speaking of mail, the postal strike is over in Canada. They were on strike for a whole month, which I think was part of their agenda to make us all go digital and online with banking and all our other needs.

 

But anyway, I am getting sidetracked. The address if you’d like to mail either cash or check, RBN2251 Double Creek Drive, Suite 302, Round Rock, Texas. And the zip code is 78664 in the USA. So that’s that.

 

All right, I’m going to set the stage, so to speak, for before I bring Tony in to tell his story and that we’ll have a little conversation about some of the things that have happened to him. I’m more or less entitling this, “How They Keep the Professors in Line”. As I told you, he’s a university Professor and they have a lot of pressure on them to basically stick with the prescribed narratives on any number of topics. And by now, and I’m sure that most of the listeners listening to this program are aware that we are being lied to on a grand scale.

 

Okay, so if a Professor steps out of line, what happens to him? And Tony will tell us about that in a few minutes.

 

But just a bit of history here. I first met Tony in 2015, so about nine years ago, and he was traveling with Kevin Barrett on a speaking tour after Kevin Barrett had published the book We Are Not Charlie Hebdo. And there were multiple authors to that project.

 

And one of the authors was my friend Tony Hall. And they came, I hosted them in Jasper, Alberta where I lived at the time. And they spoke to do with the Charlie Hebdo incident, you may remember that.

 

And then in 2016 we traveled together to Germany and that was the year that I made my life changing video, Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust. We also contributed bits like video pieces which then CODOH, which is the Committee on Open Debate on the Holocaust, they edited together a four minute video in which we answered the question “Why Do You Support Open Debate on the Holocaust?” And Germar Rudolf was at that time, he was the one who was heading up the CODOH website, CODOH.com. He’s no longer heading that up now.

 

And by the way, he has been arrested! He is currently in jail and awaits transfer to another jail. And this is all to do with something completely trivial and unrelated to what they really are after him for. And he has done a huge amount of work on Holocaust Revisionism as they call it. I would call it “Correctionism”.

 

But anyway he has published many books, the Holocaust Handbook series and more recently the Holocaust Encyclopedia which is an incredible volume.

 

And so we will talk more about that with Tony because somehow this all ties together. And actually a little bit more history here. Before I met Tony there was this Tehran conference and I’m sure you’ll tell us more about that, Tony, but in 2014, the New Horizons Conference. But I’m just still setting the stage here to give people a bit of background.

 

After that conference there were some smear articles against you and I saw the clip there which you’ve included in your epic article, we’ll talk about that. But this newspaper article in which Ezra Levent was also pictured, but we’re not sure who authored these words. But they talked about you:

 

“Still a madman and poster boy for the end of tenure.”

 

And that was in 2014. And in 2016 after our trip to Germany together, something happened to you, Tony Hall, that indeed that statement two years earlier was a little bit prophetic.

 

And tenure for those who don’t know what that means, it basically gives Professors who have paid their dues and put in a lot of work and time and are full Professors, it gives them academic freedom or that is the theory.

 

Okay, and now one more thing, I’ll just say to set this up, I have a certain relative and his words ring in my ears when I was trying to inform him about the lies. And this was only about 9/11 at the time. I don’t think I’d yet gone down the road of Holocaust, discovering the lies about that. And his words ring in my ears as I was telling him about Bolshevism and how they murdered millions and millions and millions of people and that that was a jewish operation and all those things.

 

And then this relative says to me:

 

“You mean to tell me that all the university Professors were wrong?”

 

And I know I’ve shared that with you, Tony. You said yes, I’ve said it many times. But that sets the stage for today. So welcome, Tony, to the show, first of all, greetings. And why don’t you tell us what happened to you in 2016? Over to you.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Well, thanks, Monika, and congratulations on having a regular show!

 

Monika Schaefer: Thank you.

 

Pro Tony Hall: You deserve it. And your story is very important. You know, just before I get into my own story, this whole phenomena of what happened in World War II, resulting in this production of this narrative which became known as “The Holocaust”. You know that in 1948, there was something called the Genocide Convention at the UN. So “genocide” entered the language, and many genocides have taken place over history. But when does a genocide become a holocaust? And when does “a Holocaust” become “The Holocaust”? Are we seeing a holocaust in Gaza? And how do you get this title of “The Holocaust”?

 

So The Holocaust becomes a narrative with a huge impact. You know, in a way, the winning side of World War II use their political currency to create the UN, to create Israel, to create the Genocide Convention. And this Holocaust story becomes kind of the core narrative of our times. It sort of defines right and wrong, good and bad, and it certainly becomes the political pillar for the state of Israel. And so as we were socialized to sort of feel very guilty and feel that this act of atonement through the creation of Israel was a good thing and a required thing.

 

But then, lo and behold, the people who received this first supposedly primal, defining genocide became deliverers of genocide since 2023. And now they don’t want to face the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice. They want to say:

 

“No, no, this is not a genocide. It is not a “Holocaust”.

 

I would say that the suffering we’re seeing imposed on the people of Gaza and it’s expanding from there, it’s beyond anything, even in the most extreme versions of what happened in the Holocaust, what happened at, say, Auschwitz. Meeting a death, let’s say we assume this controversial thesis that people died in gas chambers in Auschwitz. Dying in a gas chamber is nothing like the harshness, the ruthlessness, the cruelty imposed on people in Gaza who are being starved, no water, carpet bombed, just faced with an incredible array of various forms of genocide.

 

So I want to acknowledge the people who stand their ground. And you sort of led me down this pathway to see these things, going to Germany and meeting your brother. I mean, it was a great pleasure and honor for me to be invited by you and I took it, you know, it was a personal matter in a way, meeting Alfred [Monika’s older brother]. I’m sure the audience knows who Alfred is.

 

And then you made Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust, a story that you told me very many times about your mother. And we made together this other video called “Why do you believe in open debate on the holocaust?” Which led me to become a kind of marked man. When I was saying it at the time, it seemed to me it was a no-brainer, this idea that of course we should have open debate on everything.

 

And as a university Professor Guarding the principles of academic freedom as I thought, it was a no-brainer to look in the camera and say that and justify that. And I was astonished by my colleagues in the university who didn’t take that as a given! We can’t allow the precedent to be set that there’s things we can’t talk about and issues we must avoid.

 

So very quickly after we returned to Jasper, you were immediately spurned and blocked from lots of things. The Legion, which was the major musical venue, you couldn’t play there, and then you couldn’t be on the environmental committee, and then you couldn’t be in the fiddle teaching business. And you know, it was just amazing to see all these institutional things shutting you down. And then most everybody, I saw, most every one of your friends turned against you and said:

 

“Well, now you’re a holocaust denier and you really seem to actually support the National Socialists. And I just can’t be friends with such a person.’

 

And I have to say that watching you at the time, you handled it well and strongly. But there were times I saw such sadness in you and it was something to behold. I wrote letters to explain how wrong it was to judge you by your political beliefs, to say whether or not you could teach fiddle. I would say to the fiddle people who run that school:

 

“Well, now you’ve gone into the political business of deciding thought policing. So you’re not really a credible fiddle teaching agency anymore or environmental agency.”

 

All of this thought control stuff came into place and I watch and actually one of your close friends decided it must be me. It couldn’t be dear sweet Monika, who was becoming this horrific Holocaust denier. And they figured I must be leading you [chuckling] astray.

 

Monika Schaefer: You and my evil brother, you know! [chuckling]

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah he’s in there, too!

 

And I have to say, it was one thing to defend open debate on the Holocaust, but then quickly I could see there were other things involved in this.

 

And so, anyway, I started to take the flack for this and be demonized because of it. And lo and behold, that next term, this was shortly before the term started in September of 2016, there was a major assault on my reputation, led by something called B’nai Brith Canada, the extension of the Anti-Defamation League in the United States, who, I imagine most people, if you’re listening to this show, probably know what that is.

 

But basically they see themselves as, they’re going to find the future Nazis and make sure they never get in power, and they’re going to defame and diminish and ruin the reputation of and make them unemployable, people who they think might be going to raise issues that they do not want raised.

 

And so there was a terrible scam that Facebook and B’nai Brith played where they made up a Facebook post on my Facebook wall saying that I was saying:

 

“All the jews should be killed and they should be strung up. And the Holocaust didn’t happen, but it should have happened, and kill all jews!”

 

Was in there.

 

And so this was spread around without me knowing it on the Internet. And then I became aware of it. Oh, my God!

 

And so it turned out that this was the preparatory work to what became my suspension. I was literally kind of dragged out of the classroom in October and told:

 

“You cannot be on campus. You are a trespasser on campus!”

 

So one day I’m a tenured full Professor with my classes going. The next day I’m criminalized without any due process and told, I can’t come back on campus. And then it came out that the technique was to put aside the collective agreement, the rule book, the policy book, and the university went to the Human Rights Tribunal and said:

 

“Hall has violated the Human Rights act of Alberta.”

 

And so this was kind of bizarre, but they didn’t tell anybody. Well, Hall is accused of this by the university itself. All that appears in the paper is:

 

“Hall is under investigation by the Human Rights Tribunal.”

 

And anyway, so then suddenly, there I am, trying to gather myself. At the time, I couldn’t really think of anything like it that I really knew about in Canada. I’d read about Professors in the United States and I started to do a lot of research about them.

 

And of course, this initial statement that Hall, you know, says:

 

“Kill all jews the Holocaust never happened, but it should have.”

 

And intertwined, inter intermingled in all of this was the fact that you and I had been in Germany and that I made this film. And they played clips of this film, me saying there should be open debate on the Holocaust.

 

And so it sort of fit together that somebody who made a film like that might be saying those kind of things. And it was quite expertly woven together, this fiction about my beliefs at the time and everything. I hadn’t, as you know, gone into a lot of study of the Holocaust, ever! You know, I had written some things about the fact that US businesses, British businesses, had funded Hitler and that Auschwitz was actually IG Auschwitz was actually a slave labor camp to produce jet plane fuel and tires. And this new technology, this IG Farben with German technology being applied in a very dirty way, that this was a slave labor camp.

 

And so I’d written about that, but not about transforming, so the story goes, Auschwitz into a death camp, into an industrialized death camp to produce this astonishing number of victims of the Holocaust, this 6 million number. I mean, I wasn’t really in any position to judge that whole story one way or another.

 

But nevertheless, I was suddenly a Holocaust denier, an anti-semite and a conspiracy theorist! Those were the three things that those phrases become the weaponized terms. And so eventually we got, in order to have a court case, my faculty association, the collective body of university Professors, you know, at first they were astonished that this was happening.

 

But then I have to say that that the image of you was kind of exploited in a way.

 

Like I was reading Tadzio Richards on Alberta Views, which is a Left-wing progressive magazine, a kind of place where I might have looked for some support. And I was looking at an abbreviated version of this article, and it’s almost all about you, Monika.

 

And so this story where you stand your ground and say:

 

“Yes, I don’t believe in the Holocaust and yes, I like National Socialists.”

 

I mean, I wasn’t at the point where I could say that, but you were saying it. And that was said because I’m friendly with you and that somehow this is my opinion too. And that seemed like a very shoddy approach. Do you want to get, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’ll just interject that smear by association, that is a really common theme. It’s something that is used, it’s weaponized against us. Because I have experienced other people being smeared by association too. And even you know, second degree, third degree associations, people being smeared that, I don’t know, I guess they, the psychology of that is interesting.

 

And I think that those who seek to destroy us as the usual suspects there, they seem to know us better than we know us and they know that that’s something that people are very affected by in general. Like that their general population is very affected by that.

 

And earlier you said that some of my friends or former friends in Jasper, they just couldn’t fathom that I had become this quote, unquote, “evil person” because of course they’ve been raised and indoctrinated and programed to react in Pavlovian style to this term Holocaust scenario. And Monika, who was formerly, you know, pretty well liked and I was very active and wore many hats in my community in culturally and environmentally and I had, you know, politically as well. And I’d been writing lots of letters to the editor and I had lots of friends and all that and:

 

“Oh, how could she become so evil overnight?”

 

So they did blame the that on these men in my life. So that would be my brother Alfred and Tony Hall, [chuckling] like you were alluding to earlier. But yeah, the smear by association.

 

So about that article that you just alluded to. It was actually, you’re saying it was about you but somehow it ended up that they wrote more about me in it. But you are the bad man because suddenly you’re a Holocaust denier too. Or can you explain that a bit?

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, they into the story on the edges of things, but it, you know, it was an abbreviated version of the article and I want to say Tadzio Richards, a journalist that has a lot to answer for. That was a real scam, dude! If Tadzio Richards ever comes up and you know, obviously Alberta Views is the answer to Alberta Report. You know, my background is like you is as a sort of liberal Left progressive, you know.

 

And so it was Owen Holmes, who was the founder of the University of Lethbridge, he wrote to Alberta Views about what was being done to me and the prosecution and persecution of me and lo and behold, surprise, surprise, it came out with yet more smear. But I just want to, I’m sure there’s going to be a break soon. I Just want to clarify that this situation of me at the university trying to cope with my role in the faculty association and where there are votes and there are assemblies and meetings and various executives that I was hoping to bring those people along. They would have a big say over what would happen.

 

And what did happen, we did get into court. It wasn’t me going into court. It was me in partnership with my faculty association, which had to have the approval of the fellow Professors. And I didn’t. I know a lot of them were having real trouble with the substance of this story and my role in it. Even the little movie, “Why do you believe in open debate on the Holocaust?” And there I was beside you and Alfred, and the three of us were strong on the same page, which in that case we were.

 

So there’s that phase of this story. But I just want to emphasize the point that now I’m Professor emeritus, but I’m retired. I’m not teaching anymore. They got me out of the classroom. But what you’ve done in standing your ground is of global importance!

 

And the fact you were put in jail for a year in Germany of this I’m connected to this, and I’m proud of it. And it’s one of the Summit moments of my career and my life really, to have participated in this basic, fundamental issue is, what is this thing the Holocaust? And how come you can’t debate it? And how come you can’t talk about it freely and openly?

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s a great way to take us into the break and please stay with us. We’ll come back in a few minutes after these messages.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’m going to bring us back in and we have a lot to talk about still. We’re just getting going on a roll.

 

I’m just going to recap a few things here, Tony. You had talked about I had lost all my friends in Jasper. Not all of them, by the way. There were some who stayed very loyal to me.

 

But you know, through all this adventure [chuckling] of discovering that we’ve been lied to and then and then doing some things about it, I gained new friends. And I’m telling you those new friendships I have made are so rich and deep and I never had any regrets. And I and I’m so happy that I did go down this road.

 

Now I do remember you lumping some terms together. They seem to love to do that. And at the time it was these four terms, 9/11 truther, holocaust denier, anti-semitic and conspiracy theorist! So you were all of those things and that wrapped up your career. Right?

 

But just before you come back in, I’ll just tell the listeners that there is no live show next week. So RBN is taking a break from doing live broadcasting. But there will always still be broadcasting. But so since there is no live show that means there’s no call-ins.

 

As far as call-ins today, I’m not sure if we will have time, maybe near the end if somebody had a burning question or comment for the good Professor. And I wanted to also say that on the Chatengo site which I have now, which is this new address, it’s flipsidemo.chatengo.com I did post this epic, epic article that Tony has written recently and it is called “On the Condemnation of Holocaust Denial”. It’s a big essay that it could be a university course.

 

In fact, in our universities after this terrible system that we are under now where they fire Professors for speaking truth. But when that collapses and we have universities that are real and where you really do have academic freedom, that article you wrote, it should be a university course. And I have posted that on the Chitango site. I will also, as soon as the show is over, post the CODOH video.

 

And again, that’s, CODOH.com but they asked the simple question, why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? It’s less than four minutes long. You can also find it on my Odysee channel. So just go to Odysee.com and put in my name, Monika Schaefer and then you can look for that video. Why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? Four minutes. Less than four minutes of your life will be taken up by taking a look at that.

 

One more thing I wanted to tell you, Tony. I talked with Alfred, my brother this morning and he sends you the very warm greetings. He has the utmost highest respect and regards for you.

 

And so I just wanted to pass that message on to you. So back to you, Tony.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, so when you find yourself being referred to as something called a “Holocaust denier”, to me that is the harshest term they can come up with. To be called an “anti-semite” these days? Well, big deal! To be called a conspiracy theorist. Well, if you’re not looking into theories about conspiracy and you’re trying to be a public intellectual, what the hell are you doing? Obviously, people make theories about conspiracies, and it has to do with the exercise of power.

 

But this “Holocaust denial” phrase, it kind of has a judicial ring about it, a juridical ring about it. Like some judge somewhere has hammered down the gavel and said:

 

“Guilty of Holocaust denial!”

 

Like, what does that mean? So as you know, internalize it, and nothing would be more incentive of internalizing it than when you find yourself called that in hundreds of newspapers. And this smear operation to which I was subjected, I want to emphasize, it’s not like just in a few little sites here and there. It becomes a news story around the world and in Israel, throughout the United States, in Europe.

 

And so that becomes, you know how people who’ve never heard of you, who could care less that you existed and don’t really know what the University of Lethbridge is, let alone Lethbridge itself, and suddenly it’s reported as this major news.

 

So the demeaning character of such a statement, who I now know to associate with a Professor of Holocaust studies, Deborah Lipstadt, who wrote a book called Denying the Holocaust and kind of formalized and publicized this concept of “Holocaust denier” because it hasn’t been around that long. It’s a kind of new phrase. You know, it sort of leads me to believe it’s an approach saying:

 

“Hey, goys, you’re not entitled to talk about this! This is like a religious, sanctified thing that only our selected people can talk about, but you are allowed to say, ‘thumbs up’.”

 

“Yeah, I saw Schindler’s List, and it looks pretty good to me. And I got no problem with that.”

 

Or if you have any questions about any of the vast array the Holocaust is called, like, as if it’s one thing, but it took place in many countries, what they refer to the Holocaust. It’s a complex series of events. It’s World War II. So people were suffering and being punished in all kinds of ways, including, no doubt, some jews. Germans, of course, would get their Holocaust after World War II, when they were punished in different ways.

 

But say you want to debate one aspect of it, one or another aspect of it, and this was generally referred to before Deborah Lipstadt as “Holocaust revisionism”. That you want to improve history. History is all about revisionism. You know, history’s never done. You know, it’s improved attitude. People try new theories, interpretations. Other people say:

 

“No, that’s wrong! This is right.”

 

This is how history evolves. And as the state of the world unfolds, you need to sort of reorganize history a bit to pull out of it from history what you need.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just interject, if I may, Tony. So I’ve taken to using the word “Correctionism”, because we know that we’re being lied to on a whole lot of things. And I mean, I have looked into this Holocaust narrative quite a lot, and no evidence for their story!

 

And that’s why they criminalize people, that they have to use force because they don’t actually have evidence. Because if they had evidence, they would just show us the evidence. But since they don’t have evidence, they can’t use facts and arguments because they don’t have any.

 

But anyway, I like to use the word “Correctionism” because revisionism, when I first heard that term, I didn’t like it because I thought:

 

“Well, wait a minute, they’re the ones who actually changed history.”

 

Like something either happened or it didn’t. Something either happened or it didn’t.

 

And so that word to me, I mean, I’ve had people explain it to me and justify the word “revisionism”. It’s just revising what you know, based on let’s say you find new evidence for this or that or the other thing. And I know that’s what you are saying, that if when you find other evidence that you hadn’t seen before, well then you have to revise your interpretation of what actually happened. So I know that is what you are saying, but I just wanted to interject that it has always kind of bothered me.

 

So now I’ve got this other word, correctionism in my lexicon. And about that term, like you were saying being called a Holocaust denier, it’s like it’s a bomb! It is a weapon, and these labels are weapons and all those other labels are weapons.

 

Pro Tony Hall: So you can go to jail for it. And you did go to jail for it!

 

And so you are a testimony, an embodiment of the punishments attached to this thing called “Holocaust denial” and all the ways it’s expressed in other forms and terms in the legal firmament. So ironically, there is a revisionism in Zionist history. Jabotinsky and the people who created Likud, which Netanyahu is in this very Right-wing extreme version of wanting an expanded Israel, a Greater Israel. They call it Zionist revisionism.

 

Anyway, this is just the starting point into a huge question. And so I’ve written this this year, and it sort of was like a just a gusher coming out of me because I’ve been thinking about this term Holocaust denial and what it can do to you and how it’s being manipulated and how it’s being transformed into a crime, a literal crime for which you can go to jail. What else is what other ideas or what other ethnic groups have this kind of power?

 

And so it obviously, this power to define a Holocaust denier is an expression of a power that is gross! Which is being manipulated, which is out of hand, which is disproportionate.

 

So this article I just went through looking at it from many, many Angles. One thing that was very interesting to me was to look at the literature of jewish communists who see themselves as you know, critics of this word that we could debate. But fascism, World War II had this image of communism versus fascism, although Adolf Hitler himself saw himself as a socialist.

 

Monika Schaefer: National Socialist.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, National Socialist. But I found in Tony Greenstein’s new book about zionism during the Holocaust, during World War II, and that’s based on largely Lenny Brenner, another jewish communists who were. Both of them went into a great amount of detail about the Transfer Agreement.

 

The fact that the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialist government, with Adolf Eichmann as kind of the chief minister responsible for jewish affairs, they got along very well. And they, very quickly after Hitler came to power, negotiated an agreement that tens of thousands of jews from Germany and later beyond Germany would be helped to emigrate to Palestine, which was then under the British mandate of the League of Nations.

 

And in fact, there was a very thriving group of German jews in Palestine who could not only emigrate there, but they could get at their money and they could use their money to establish farms and such. And I think, actually begin to import products into the Middle East. And there became a market for those products. And it became a very big part in the Genesis of Israel, in the Zionist Genesis. You know, they hadn’t yet, before World War II, achieved creating a jewish state, but they did have the Balfour Declaration from the British saying that Palestine was to be a jewish homeland.

 

And so there was this very concerted movement involving some jews to create Israel as a country. This was their objective. So these jewish Communists wrote about how the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialists got together and then how these Zionists kind of manipulated Hitler into the position. And like Greenstein says they wanted jews to stay in position. If a jew wanted to go to the United States or emigrate, they didn’t want that. The only legitimate thing was to migrate to Palestine.

 

And then he sort of implies that they also wanted to keep a certain amount of jews on hand to be killed in what they now call the Holocaust. Incidentally, Yad Vashem had a Holocaust museum being planned in 1942. Yad Vashem is the main Holocaust museum in Israel and is kind of a center where the official story of the Holocaust is ratified. So imagine that already in 1942 they’re planning Holocaust museums!

 

Monika Schaefer: Kind of reminds me about the fact that the 6 million narrative was tossed around many, many, many times well before World War II, like World War I. And I mean, I’ve seen images of the articles and videos have been made about this, that:

 

“The 6 million lost souls or 6 million jews are under threat, or 6 million, you know, jews are being persecuted.”

 

That was tossed around a long, long time ago already and I think they even used, possibly they even used the word Holocaust in some of those articles.

 

But with this so-called Holocaust, they didn’t actually come out with that word until I think in the 60s. Like if people are saying that if they looked into an encyclopedia in the 50s, they would not find that word “Holocaust” with relation to World War II. Maybe you know something about that, Tony.

 

But yeah, that 6 million number was tossed around long before. And what an interesting fact that you just brought out about Yad Vashem Museum with their Holocaust Museum in 1942, already.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yes. So this, I’m getting this out of the book of Tony Greenstein. And of course he’s a darling in the progressive media and especially Mondo Weiss and Electronic Intifada, which get big audience, but they wouldn’t touch “The Holocaust” with the ten foot pole.

 

But taking the critique developed by Tony Greenstein of zionism during World War II, it’s pretty significant. It overturns a lot of preconceptions and stereotypes that just don’t apply. And there was this boycott of Germany, which I think was conducted in a way to put pressure on Hitler to sit down and negotiate with the Zionists of Germany.

 

Monika Schaefer: Are you talking about, … Sorry, I’ll just interject. You’re talking about 1933, within a few weeks of Adolf Hitler coming to power, that “Judea Declares War on Germany”?

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah. That famous newspaper headline. But Hitler hadn’t even been voted into power. He would soon get a majority vote where he was made sort of worthy of the title that Hindenburg already had given him, which is Chancellor.

 

So he had become the Chancellor. Anyway, just like the snap of a finger this Untermyer and other Zionists in New York organized this boycott. But it seems the boycott is to pressure Germany. It’s very sort of interesting how Zionists can manipulate situations and play both sides and whatnot. So that’s how I’m interpreting it.

 

So in any case, then there is the story of the Toronto trials. And the Toronto trials in 1985 and 1988 were the big moment for Ernst Zundel to take the stage. He was charged with a crime of “spreading false news”. And his response was to say:

 

“Yay! There’s going to be a platform!”

 

And, boy, did he ever make a platform. He brought in Robert Faurisson, who is an amazing analyst of all of this and really has the gas chamber story and the frauds involved in the gas chamber story down cold.

 

So then there was David Irving. He managed to pull in David Irving, who was sort of new to the subject of what was going on. But there were this exhaust system in the gas chamber in the reconstructed, what we’re told is the gas chamber that couldn’t have been there. And I saw he and David Cole doing a tour of Auschwitz. And the exhaust from the gas chamber was right outside the kitchen of the SS! And how practical would that be for scientific engineer Germans to construct it that way?

 

So the Toronto trials were sort of triumph where the chief historian [Raul Hilberg] of the Holocaust, you would remember his name. And these eyewitnesses were sort of humiliated on the stand. There was Doug Christie, the lawyer. And Faurisson gave him the backing, helping him out, gave him the information how to do stunning cross examinations of these people and demonstrate that these foremost authorities on the Holocaust couldn’t come up with evidence and eyewitnesses were proven to be wrong. And ever since then, there have been no eyewitnesses!

 

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just say Ernst Zundel amassed an amazing team now, the “Exterminationists”, so those who made the charges against Ernst Zundel, they thought that:

 

“Oh, they’ll be done within a few days, this will be over. They’ll just wipe their feet on him!”

 

And they actually afterwards conceded:

 

“Oh, my goodness, that was a bit of a victory for the revisionist side.”

 

And they got smeared.

 

And we only have about probably half a minute left, Tony.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, give me that half minute, if you would.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, you go ahead.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

 

So this then results in Deborah Lipstadt entering the picture. And Deborah Lipstadt is a Professor of Holocaust studies, whatever that’s supposed to mean. If she was a real professor, she would have invited Ernst Zundel to speak in her class. But no, instead she writes this book, Denying the Holocaust.

 

Monika Schaefer: Which Germar Rudolf refuted.very word of it!

 

Pro Tony Hall: It’s very popular to refute her. And she is a real disgrace and shame to the academy. That woman is not of a high caliber to be teaching in a university. And so out of that came this Holocaust denial term. David Irving was smeared and there was this big trial resulting in the movie “The Denial”.

 

Monika Schaefer: We’re gonna have to have you back, Tony, I can see. Just a final word, I guess, like Happy Yule. Merry Christmas. Happy Solstice.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Well, Merry Christmas to you, Monika, and to your family.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Thank you, Tony.

 

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: All right. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, Mr. Producer. Thank you, dear listeners. And we’ll see you in the new year.

 

All right, everybody, thank you very much. Bye bye.

 

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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 18 with Jürgen Neumann – Nov 2, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 20 with Kathleen Dudley – Nov 16, 2024 – Transcript

 

 

Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 24 – Prof Tony Hall – Dec 21, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 27 – Germar Rudolf – Jan 18, 2025 – Transcript

 

 

Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript