Caller 1: The present day European jews came up through Spain. They came through North Africa, through Spain, from Italy and from the Middle East, and they went through Germany and they went to Poland. That’s the route that they followed. The jews are now in Israel.

Ernst Zundel: Hundreds of thousands come from under the stars in the Pale of Settlement. Can you tell me that.

Caller 1: They came from Poland?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, they came from Poland. They came from Poland and from Germany.

Ernst Zundel: I’ve heard of big migration from Khazars into Poland and into Germany under Frederick the Great, to be exact.

Caller 1: No, no, no! You’re speaking of the Oriental jews who came up from the Caucasus Mountain. The mountain jews who came from Babylonia and some Assyria.

Host: Ah, well, when it comes to this area, …

Caller 1: Let’s forget about it.

Ernst Zundel: No, in a sense, why would you want to discuss it? Because it’s going to., …

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the jews who are now in Israel?

Ernst Zundel: Because then 80% of those jews living in Israel, according to the Arabs and according to this interpretation of it, are not Semites. Therefore they have no historic attachment to the Wailing Wall.

Caller 1: Good. Good heavens. You know what you sound like? Yesterday I read a book about a guy who said that the South American-Indians were the lost 10 tribes. They wandered across from Mesopotamia to India and to China. It crossed that Alaska and then down. The Incas and the Aztecs were descended from the 10 lost tribes.

Ernst Zundel: You are referring to the Book of Mormons, I suppose.

Caller 1: Oh, good heavens!

Ernst Zundel: I’m not saying it, man! It’s the Jewish Encyclopedia that is.

Caller 1: I don’t believe you! I don’t believe you!

Host: Well, in terms of history, according to Jewish Encyclopedia, we have a caller who is well versed in jewish history and we’ll go to him in just a second. Okay, just one second now. I think this is the line. Is that you, Mr L?

Caller 2: Yes, yes.

Host: Okay. You’ve been listening. Have you been listening?

Caller 2: Hello.

Host: Have you been listening for the last few minutes, Mr. Lipman?

Caller 2: Yes, hello?

Host: Hello.

Caller 2: Mr. Lipman. Yes, speaking. Hello?

Host: Yes, just one second now.

Caller 2: Speaking, please.

Host: Okay, there, you’re on the line now. Pardon?

Caller 2: Yeah, I’m the caller, Mr. Lipman. I want to speak to the Nazi and I want to speak to the jew there.

Host: Well, the jew hung up and the Nazi, as you call him, [chuckling] is on the line.

Caller 2: Did you laugh at the Nazi there?

Host: Yeah, go ahead, Mr. L.

Ernst Zundel: I beg your pardon.

Host: Go ahead. You’re on the air now.

Caller 2: Is the jewish man there, too?

Host: No, he hung up.

Caller 2: Well, if he hung up. Hello?

Host: Yes.

Caller 2: Wouldn’t be surprised if you’re listening while I’m talking.

Ernst Zundel: Yes, the jewish man is here. Go on.

Caller 2: Hello?

Host: Hello? Go ahead, sir.

Caller 1: First of all, I would like to bag the jewish fellow to take my telephone number and call me personally. I want to speak to him personally after I’ll finish. My number is [bebbed out] Sometimes you can still have my telephone number. I’m not hiding anything.

And I’m not hiding anything. And I can debate with you what I want to know, Mr. Caller Number One. Hello?

Ernst Zundel: Yes?

Caller 2: Caller Number One, is that you?

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you referring to the, …

Caller 2: Are you caller Number One?

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Caller 2: Tell me, what capacity do you speak of the name of the Arab? Are you in capacity of making a peace between the jews? And are you official representative that you talk with such authority, or you just an ordinary journalist which writes in the yellow tabloid of [word unclear] Gable? Answer me the question, sir.

Ernst Zundel: First polite question.

Caller 2: I like concrete, man! I don’t like to talk nonsense! In what capacity do you speak to make peace between jews and Arabs?

Host: All right, he’s going to answer the question. Mr. L.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. M. Would you be polite?

Caller 2: Yeah, I will. Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

First of all, I’m not writing for Julius Streicher.

Caller 1: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: I’m not writing for Julius Streicher. And the other gentlemen because their papers have gone out of business.

Caller 1: Yeah, but there’s plenty of Streichers at the moment. Plenty of Streichers roaming around in the streets of Montreal and in New York and in South America.

Host: Well, sir, let me. Just for the benefit of listeners, your response can be interpreted two ways. You’re not writing for them because they no longer exist. Does that mean if they did exist, you would write for them?

Ernst Zundel: No, but I was just trying to find out how, …

Caller 2: Listen, give me an answer, man! I want you to give me an answer. Caller number one.

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I, …

Caller 2: In what capacity do you speak to make peace between the jews and the Arabs?

Ernst Zundel: Well, all night stated in a, …

Caller 2: Yeah, go ahead. I didn’t hear.

Ernst Zundel: Well, then you have, …

Caller 2: Repeat yourself.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, are you there?

Caller 1: I’ll beg your pardon.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Would you hang on for just a second, …

[04:55]

Caller 2: Yeah, wait a minute. I’ll close the radio. I’ll be able to hear.

Ernst Zundel: Okay, very good.

Caller 2: Go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: Radio done?

Caller 2: Yes, go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: Now, Mr Lipman, if you have been listening and you have been hearing not what you wanted to hear, but what I said.

Caller 2: Yes, what did you say?

Ernst Zundel: I said repeatedly tonight that I spoke as an individual.

Caller 2: Wait a minute. Yeah, but you speak like you’re sitting at a conference table with the jews.

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 2: And trying to make peace between the Arabs and jews!

Ernst Zundel: Oh, I say it as a suggestion. It’s a free country we are in.

Caller 2: Well, no, no, no, no, wait a minute. There’s a different. There’s a dialogue, man! We can criticize the jews. We can criticize anybody.

Ernst Zundel: Sometimes I wonder.

Caller 1: Yeah, we can criticize the jews. They are right sometimes. Don’t give me that stuff, mister. You know well that we can criticize the jews.

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that listens to the headline tonight must wonder the, …

Caller 2: The [word unclear] doesn’t wonder. The only thing is I can’t understand Mr. Bell. I told him one time how does he allow such poison to be spread when there Streichers and so many Meyers and so many. What you call them? You call yourself Meyer. Your father was Meyer, you said. And so many [word unclear] walking around in the streets of Montreal.

Host: All right, now if you’ll let me say something for just a moment.

Now, there are callers who are barred from the line because in my opinion, they are guilty of what you suggested Mr. L.

Caller 2: Yes.

Host: In my opinion, this gentleman is not guilty of what you suggest and it escapes me how you can accuse him of this.

Now, as I have said before.

Caller 2: Yes.

Host: I take issue with some of his figures. Another gentleman called up with other figures. We have a few more lines loaded. People with other figures.

Caller 2: From the jewish Congress they called.

Host: How’s that?

Caller 2: From the Congress. Jewish Congress they called.

Host: Yeah, well, I have somebody on another line with more figures. In other words, over a figure dispute whether the man, … And a few statements that he has made. He could be historically inaccurate.

Now, when quoting from the Jewish Encyclopedia. I don’t know. I’ve never read the thing.

Caller 2: Yes, Mr. Bell.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: Not only inaccurate, he’s full of lies. And I can prove it to him!

Ernst Zundel: Okay, wonderful! Why don’t you prove it?

Caller 2: I’ll prove it to you right away.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: Listen. No, wait. I proved it to you! Give me a chance to prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you, man! I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you!

Ernst Zundel: I believe you.

Caller 2: Listen, listen! Will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: No, one hundred percent.

Caller 2: Will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: In other words, that we are going to be positive and not negative, that we don’t engage in name calling.

Caller 2: No, I wouldn’t call it a name calling, but just listen to.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: I want to expose you that you are working for the Nazis! And you’re an agent of the Nazis. Okay.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. How much is my pay?

Caller 2: Do you know? I don’t know.

Ernst Zundel: And where is the headquarters by the way?

Caller 2: The headquarters in Nazis are still in Bonn. And it’s still in Cairo.

Ernst Zundel: So in other words, …

Caller 2: It’s still in Cairo!

Ernst Zundel: Is the Nazi headquarters in the, …

Caller 2: Is still in Bonn and Cairo. Will you listen? Will you listen? I want to refute your argument. Okay. I want to refute your argument.

Ernst Zundel: You’re wonderful!

Caller 2: I want to refute your argument. Oh, will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, yeah.

Caller 2: Well, listen. You made a statement that Germany restituted the jews so much. And you give figures, right?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did.

Caller 2: You did fine. Do you know that whatever they give 800 some million dollars it’s restitution, right or not?

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 1:800 million. I don’t argue. You had a figure. $826 million. They give a restitution to the jews. You said so.

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

Host: I’m the one who said that.

Caller 2: Hey, beg your pardon.

Host: I’m the one who said that.

Caller 2: Where did you get the figure?

Host: I got the figure from the Almanac.

Caller 2: Okay, fine, let’s be. So I’ll take this figure too. $826 million was given restitution by the German to the jews.

First of all, if you know history, and history is very young, that when Grynszpan* made an attack on the German ambassador in Switzerland or in Sweden, I don’t remember exactly between these two places.

[* Herschel Feibel Grynszpan was a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on 7 November 1938 in Paris. The NS’s alledgedly used this assassination as a pretext to launch Kristallnacht, “The Night of Broken Glass”, the pogrom of 9–10 November 1938. Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the fall of France and brought to Germany; his further fate remains unknown. Wikipedia]

Ernst Zundel: I thought it was in France.

Caller 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance to explain myself. So Hitler right away confiscated all the jewish wealth which amount to $4 billion. Before even he started to persecute the jews outside of Germany amounted to $4 billion.

Ernst Zundel: Not true.

Caller 2: It’s true! It’s in the paper. The start of civil life. I started the life here in Montreal. I’ll prove it to you. Number one.

Second thing. The money that Germany gave to the jews, it’s not her money. It’s American money from American taxpayers. Because Mr. Eisenhower and the rest of his gang wanted to whitewash the dirty deeds of the former Nazi. And he said “let bygones be bygones”. And he contributed $4 billion to build up again the Bonn government.

So it’s not their money, it’s American taxpayer pay the money. Is it right?

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

Caller 2: Wait a minute, I’m not finished yet. You got to listen. I listen to you. Because I listen to your story, which is full of lies. And I’m surprised that the jew that is a well capable man and that he converse with you. Because listen, I said to Mr. Bell, There is four brothers, four characters. Evil man, evil man, right or wrong. You still tell you that you’re wrong. So why they debate with you? You’re not an official capacity. You’re not an official capacity from the Arabs or from the Germans. What right have you got to speak in the name of the Arabs or the Germans or anybody else?

[10:12]

Ernst Zundel: That’s why you don’t like to talk to me. I’m just a goy.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: You don’t like the other chap to even converse with this fantastic goy.

Caller 2: What goy? Anyway, go on. This language is French to me.

Ernst Zundel: You don’t speak Yiddish?

Caller 2: I speak Yiddish, yes. Goy is Hebrew. Goy means if you know Hebrew, goy means a nation, it’s not an individual. And he don’t even know the interpretation of goy. You don’t even know the interpretation of goyim.

Hello, Wait a minute. Listen, big shot. Goyim is plural, means nation. Goy means one race.

Ernst Zundel: And who is referred to usually as goyim?

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Who is usually referred to as goyim?

Caller 2: They referred goyim. Because these people that say goy, they are ignorant. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Because goy means a race, one, a nation, I mean. And goyim is plural. So they don’t know. You just inquire if I’m in the wrong, I’ll give anything. You see?

Ernst Zundel: Right. Go on.

Caller 2: And number one, and we don’t use such language as “dirty jews” or any or anything else. When we. In our scriptures, if you want to know it’s written, when we go to the synagogue, we say:

“My Lord, forgive us all our sins. And also to those who live among us. Strangers that live among us.”

In other words, we pray for the non-jews too.

And as far as persecution is concerned, no jew persecuted yet a non-jew. It’s in history. And we were persecuted for 2,000 years.

And let me tell you one thing. I said sometimes I speak French. It’s [words unclear] English. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance.

Ernst Zundel: I think the Old testament.

Caller 2: No, no, no! I want to prove my point that the worst jew, the worst jew, which is called Judas Ishkariot, had a conscience. And when betrayed Jesus Christ, he gave him the kiss of death. His conscious part of him. And he hanged himself. And I never seen non-jew that is conscious of him by attacking a jew, he shall hang himself. I never seen yet.

I said this to French people many times. But I’m French. I live with French more than the jews. If I speak French just as fluent as Yiddish.

Ernst Zundel: Are we a bit far off the point, don’t you think?

Caller 2: Go ahead. No, no, This is a good point. Pardon me. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I’ll listen to you. Then ask me question.

Ernst Zundel: No. You guys want to repeat all my arguments and call me and find out that I was a real liar and spreader of poison?

Caller 2: Yeah. I prove it to you and I mean it. If I said the word liar, it’s too mild. But I wouldn’t use any more of this word. I’ll debate with you like man to man. I’ll debate with you like man to man without any insults anymore.

Ernst Zundel: Would you say I’m maybe a super liar?

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Maybe I’m a super liar.

Caller 2: Well, even this is mild.

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, maybe we can find some other adjectives.

Caller 2: Yeah. Anyway. No, no, don’t worry. You’re a coward because when the man put you to the wall, cornered you last time, you ran away because you couldn’t take it.

Ernst Zundel: When was that?

Caller 2: That was two, three nights ago.

Ernst Zundel: Was the same man I spoke to?

Caller 2: The same man you spoke to? Yeah. He cornered you and you ran away and then you came back.

Ernst Zundel: The same man that I spoke to tonight for one hour that hung up on me!

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You spoke tonight to the jewish family is well eloquent, but you’re still not acquainted well, with jewish history and world history.

Host: Right. That’s why I got you on the line, sir.

Now if we can dispense with personalities. You have accused the man of being a Nazi and of spreading poison. And you can’t for the life of you see why I permit it on the program. You will have to give me an example of a lie that amounts to spreading poison.

Caller 2: Yeah, I’ll give it to you.

Host: Good.

[13:48]

Caller 2: Of course, I’ll give it plenty. I got it in my [word unclear] my dear man, I got in my [word unclear].

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: And then here I give you the first example.

First of all, he said that the jews always lived with the Arabs. And first in harmony all the time, the Semite Arabs, I mean. And Palestine around there in the Middle East. The jews were always persecuted by the Arabs in Casablanca they had no right to walk on the sidewalk. Just like the negro had no right to walk in Alabama. Exactly the same thing for the last, 2,000 years! People in Casablanca lived in a ghetto and they couldn’t go out and they couldn’t show their faces, number one.

Ernst Zundel: But I didn’t say it’s the same.

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You said once before. Not tonight. You said before the jews lived well with the Arabs. And I know history. You don’t know my history, but I know your history, my friend.

Ernst Zundel: I never said that.

Caller 2: Yeah, you said it last time. I’m not speaking tonight. And many Arabs made the statement that the jews never fought with the Arabs before. They lived in harmony, they understood each other, they were brotherly till the zionism came. I’m not a Zionist. I never will be a Zionist. I’m a jew.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, why not.

Caller 2: What?

Ernst Zundel: What are the points that you differ with zionism?

Caller 2: What are the points differ what?

Ernst Zundel: Can you give us points where you differ with zionism?

Caller 2: Speak louder. I can’t hear good.

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Why would you not be a Zionist?

Caller 2: Why?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 2: Because theoretically I don’t agree with them.

Ernst Zundel: Well, in other words, you wouldn’t say that the idea of zionism to found a jewish homeland in Palestine, …

Caller 2: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Doesn’t please you?

Caller 2: Yeah. It doesn’t mean to say that I’m a Zionist, because if jews have to have a home. First, I’m a Canadian and first, the 6 million jews are Americans, they’re not Zionist. Not all of them are Zionists. If they’re Zionist, some of them is their business. But I’m not. I’m speaking myself.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, but listen, I’m very interested.

Caller 2: Yes, yeah, I’ll do to you. I’ll give it to you.

Ernst Zundel: Very good.

Caller 2: Well, all right. If Mr. Bell permit a time, I’ll give it to you as much as you want.

Host: Well, you have seven minutes, sir.

Caller 2: Okay, then listen. I made a statement that if I’m not mistaken to Mr. Bell that we jews in Europe before the Hitler Holocaust, before the Nazis tried to spit their dirt in the world, we jews fought zionism with all our might in the street because we find it impractical! We said that we live in Europe 10,050 years. We have more right to demand our rights in Europe and live there than to the rights on Palestine. Right? Listen to this. Just a moment. I’ll give it to you. This story. We had a jewish organization which is called Bund.

Ernst Zundel: Oh yes, I know about this.

Caller 2: Yeah, you know everything. Hey, you’re a real Nazi! You know all the information!

Host: Sir, you asked him if he knew. He said yes, he knew!

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Host: I said you asked him if he was aware of a certain fact. He admitted to being aware of the fact.

[16:46]

Caller 2: Okay.

Anyway, I’m hearing the Nazi organization, the jewish bund, which is a socialistic organization, they didn’t believe that the sand of Palestine shall be recultivated. And they said we have no right to think of Palestine because it’s impractical. Because the jews are living at their roots are in Europe. They live 10,050 years. And we shall try to fight our best for the rights of the jews which they entitled to.

Host: Which agrees with what the caller number one read from the encyclopedia. So I would assume that the encyclopedia is basically Zionist in its thinking.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon? I didn’t hear that.

Host: Did you hear me caller number one?

Ernst Zundel: I did.

Host: Would you agree with that?

Caller 2: Did you repeat that? I didn’t hear all this conversation tonight.

Host: Well, what you just said is similar to what the caller number one read from a Jewish Encyclopedia.

Caller 2: What do you read?

Ernst Zundel: Well, you will listen.

Host: Well, what you said, sir, basically what you said is what he read from the encyclopedia. So I am suggesting that because the other gentleman questioned the encyclopedia, I am suggesting that conceivably it is a Zionist publication.

Ernst Zundel: I suppose so.

Host: Would you say that does sound reasonable to you, number one?

Ernst Zundel: Not really, no. I don’t think that the Jewish Encyclopedia that I’m referring to is a Zionist publication.

Host: Well, curiously, it’s, …

Ernst Zundel: Let’s say, it saying the same thing.

Host: I shouldn’t have said that. I should have said, as I phrased it the first time Zionist in its, …

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, let me explain, please. Mr. Bell.

Host: Yeah, okay, go ahead.

Caller 2: I know my history well and I can explain it. And even a man who is 100% against the jews, you cannot refute my argument because the truth speaks for itself. You can expose, you cannot expose the truth! You can expose a lie.

Host: Right? Well, again, that’s why I brought you on the line because you know, we have had a number of discussions based on jewish history. And you do know jewish history.

Caller 2: I’ve had many conversations with ardent jew baiters in Quebec City. And I spoke with a man two and a half hours and in his hotel, and there was pleasant 20 Frenchmen. And he spoke the same language as Hitler and I exposed out of him and the Frenchman, which is a wonderful people. The moment he sees the truth, he came over. And he slapped him in the back and he said to him, you lost your discussion because the jew had the best of you! You see.

Ernst Zundel: Listen.

Caller 2: Hello.

Ernst Zundel: I just would like to find out. You said before that the jews had lived in Europe for 10,050 years.

Caller 2: Yes.

[19:26]

Caller 2: Not 10,050 years. Thousand and fifty. Not 10,000.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: If you know history, man!

Ernst Zundel: Well, I wonder if it is your, …

Caller 2: I wish you should know your history as I know! You don’t know your history. You just try to, …

Host: Well, I suggested that we not engage in personalities. We try to stick to the facts. So if you’ll proceed sir, …

Caller 2: I want to speak about the bund.

Host: Yeah, well the seven minutes you had is now three minutes.

Caller 2: Well, I don’t know. What can I do? Listen, you gave him so much time. You don’t give me time, Mr. Bell.

Host: I’m giving you time to make your case. But you are wasting all of your time by engaging in personalities.

Caller 2: You spend so much time to give him and you don’t give me time to explain to refute the argument.

Host: Well, you are one of many callers who are calling in to refute the argument. But you’re wasting your time with personality.

Caller 2: I’m not talking out of my people either. Like the rabbis, the rabbi. The rabbis, the religious rabbi were against Palestine too before it the holocaust of Hitler. Because they, from religious point of view, they believe that Messiah has to come. And they [word unclear] evil freedom. And the [word unclear] jew didn’t believe in that. He believed that we had to free ourselves with our own capability and with our own power.

And that’s why they fought those Zionists in the streets of Warsaw, in the streets of other places where jews live. That we shall fight for our rights in Europe. But here came Hitler and many Hitlers. He said after we lived in Europe 1,050 years, we are fifth class citizens and they try to destroy us. And we had to leave against our own will. So every jew, even a non-zionist like me, I’m a non-zionist. I came to convince that every jew, a jew is supposed to have a home. And where he lives, if he hasn’t got a home, his place is in Israel. And if he’s got a home in Canada, he has no business to think of Israel. Except, shall I say spiritually and financially he could help and morally. But as far as physically, it’s got nothing in common with Israel. You hear me?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you very loud and clear, sir.

Caller 2: You hear me?

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

[21:43]

Caller 2: Okay. So it shows you that a man like me that was against Zionist and yet many times debates in Europe against zionism and we.

And today I’m 100% backing Israel because every jew that knows after what we went through. Wait a minute. Besides that, I want., … This is not the point. I want the proof, facts, never mind statistics. You, I want to [words unclear] from the subject. The compensation that the Germans give these murderers that murdered 6 million jews. I don’t mean the German people, the German rulers. I don’t accuse the German people. I accuse the German ruler.s These German rulers and that killed the people. They paid their [word unclear]. They took away 10 times, 10 times 100 times as much as they give. And what they give, they give you one cent of their own. That was American taxpayers money. Because Eisenhower and the rest of the American people, I mean that’s the American rulers, not the people, wanted to whitewash their crime and to give them asylum and those that will run away from there and to give them as anti-[word unclear] against whatever political views they have. And they wanted to keep them in line to whitewash their faces. Because you cannot whitewash a criminal! Every criminal is a criminal!

Ernst Zundel: What crimes did Eisenhower commit against jews?

Caller 2: When he said “let bygones be bygones”. When he’s seen himself what happened in Belsenberg, he see with his own eyes the way the jews, … The English bulldozers were cleaned away to their grave because they couldn’t come near to them. They had to use bulldozers. And he had the nerve, the audacity to say that bygones be bygones after what he’s seen. That no human being can finish him like that, what he’s seen.

Ernst Zundel: And for that statement he paid $4 billion American dollars. Right?

Caller 1: And not him alone! The only paying behind them, the rulers, not the American people. The American people, the taxpayers pay. But he forced them to pay $4 billion to build out the Germany. Isn’t it seen that Germany has to lend money now to Canada. And she was defeated by us.

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman, who was the gang behind Eisenhower?

Caller 2: What was the gang?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 2: All these Republican wheelers and dealers. All these Republican wheelers and dealers. And the same time applies not only the American wheelers and dealers. Applies to the Canadian wheelers and dealers. Applies to the English wheelers and dealers. I’m not speaking of people, the people are innocent. The jews, the Arabs are innocent. The English are innocent. The Americans are innocent. They are suckers!

Ernst Zundel: Are the German innocent?

Caller 2: The Germans are innocent to a certain extent. But one thing I say the Germans never express themselves to the, at least not all them are guilty. How shall I say morally they are guilty, but not physically. Because not everyone participates in the murder of the jews. It’s stupid to say that! But at least they should have collective shame. They didn’t even express collective shame. I didn’t see a German yet to bow his head and say:

“We are sorry what happened to the jews!”

They still stick to their own.

[24:54]

Host: Gentlemen, we’re a couple of minutes late with the 2 o’clock news and we have to break for it now.

Caller 2: Hey, anyway, listen. Don’t allow this poison to be spread. Let him go and hang himself like Ribbentrop!

Host: Well, sir, you’ve been on for some time and you still haven’t given us an example of poison.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Roberts.

Host: Well, [chuckling] he hung up on us again. Since the program as of next Monday starts running around 9:00. Complete idiot or something. I fail to see why I am being accused of being anti-Israeli. The caller on the line right now has stated a time or two that he is not anti-Israeli.

Ernst Zundel: Not at all Mr. Bell. I have no reason for anti-Israeli. Like in every other subject you must look at all sides in as unemotionally as possible. Now I know Mr. Lipman, I have heard of him. I also have read. I read all the jewish papers. I know what they are saying. I understand that they are very much involved. And I deplore the bloodshed in Israel. I deplore the terrorist raids against Israel. That’s why I suggested a very humble suggestion. I have stressed that and stressed it again. Possibly this might prove a way out. But I’m definitely not anti-Israeli! And everybody that knows me at university and has read my political party program when I was running for the Liberal Party, everybody knows. And I am a card carrying member of the Liberal Party. I am not, as one the first caller suggested, a neo-Nazi, or a Nazi as the second caller suggested. I don’t see where name calling gets us. If I am something. I am a young man that will have to live on this planet for a good long time. I hope 40, 50 years. And so my two sons that they are born in Canada by a Canadian mother.

So you see, all I am saying is I don’t want the world to blow up. So as a young man, a student at University of Political Science, I’m saying, have I maybe got an original thought? Is that a crime? I don’t want to offend anybody or hurt anybody. I’m just making this as a I hope a legitimate suggestion. Now if some of my figures are wrong, then I am sorry. I will certainly call these people back and I will certainly tomorrow call the Israeli consulate and find out what they have to say.

Host: Right, good. I’m glad you committed yourself to that.

Ernst Zundel: I definitely will do that.

Host: Fine. Would you say standby please and on CKGM. Good morning, sir.

Caller 3: [words unclear] I’ll hang up.

Host: Pardon?

Caller 3: [word unclear]

Host: Yeah, go right ahead, sir.

Caller 3: An upline show. I’m not by CKGS, the forum of healthy controversy and exchange of opinion.

Host: That’s true.

Caller 3: Yes. About two hours ago I opened the radio. I listened to some enormous deliberate distortions of facts! So that I was unable to go to sleep.

Actually I should have been in bed now because I had moved [word unclear] very early in the morning. But I couldn’t go to sleep. It’s a person whom I heard already a few times. In fact a few weeks ago he called Mr. David Bassett. As I answered later. He started to throw in figures like $14 billion. And he said that the figures were supplied by the German consulate.

Of course this is a lie! And after Geobbel’s said:

“Repeat a lie a thousand times and people will believe it!”

It’s such a big lie! I don’t know because he doesn’t seem ignorant because I don’t know if he realizes what $14 billion means. Here I have the figures in the latest. The New Middle East issue of December. It’s a monthly issue. A monthly paper issued in London. And they give the figures between. It’s a study about Israeli economy and they give the capital in different tables. And one table I see capital import sby major [word unclear]. From 1950 to 1967, 17 years German personal institutions $1, 190,000. German reparation. It just means to the government.

Host: I assume you mean 1,019,000,000.

Caller 3:1, 190,000,000. Yes.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 3: German reparation means to the government, [word unclear] which gives a total of over $1, 900,000,000, from 1950 to 1967. This is one fact. And this gentleman started to come with a figure like 15 billion.

And then he changed. He said maybe 7 billion. And then I don’t know.

[30:27]

Caller 4: (female) [garbled voice] What happened to the jews. It doesn’t matter whether it’s jews. Any nationality. It’s hard. It’s trans to me shaking. And you said you don’t give a damn. Those words are you in my ears. And the doctors and nurses that hurt you and shame on you’re not a nice man. You’re a nervous man. You’re crazy! You’re not just saying the clay. You’re just soft. Good relaxing voice in the middle of the night. People like to hear a nice soft voice so we get.

Host: Well, they can listen to Red Gail, ma’am. He’s got a nice soft voice.

Caller 4: [garbled] They told me that you’re cold one day. Yes. You want to even send a meter down for you’re a nervous. Look, you’re not for this job. Get out the way and give the job to Mr. Lagock or Mr. McCray or all these nice boys who have a little bit of heart and knowledge of everything. You are cruel, man! Very cruel. And you did say that you don’t give a damn what happened to those poor people in the ovens. And you know it! You and your passions are. You have any. And goodbye. Okay.

Host: So I can’t know who she is. Not only do I know who she is, I know she’s been here longer. Because when we taped the call yesterday, and when we taped the threats she’s made against my life, it was compared with another tape when I was not even here.

But she also threatened Hank [word unclear] ’s life. And we have a tape of that also.

So I suggest to the ladies and if you want me to prove who you are, call back. I’ll tell you off the air who you are because we. There’s a lot of people who know you and have been calling us off the air, suggesting that no matter what you say, you’re not dangerous. But let me put it this way. If there’s another threat of the nature that you have made through Hank and to make myself, I’ll do everything in my power to have you committed.

Nightline.

Caller 5: Hello, Mr. Bell?

Host: Yeah. Nightline.

Caller 5: Hello.

Host: Yes, Right. Nightline.

Caller 5: Is that Nightline?

Host: It is.

Caller 5: Is that you, Robert Bell?

Host: Yes, it is.

Caller 5: Okay. I’d like to know what the hell the conflict about anti-semitism was.

Host: Well, it’s all starting. Started with the, …

Caller 5: Let me make myself a little clearer. I am the Anno Automata for sale.

Host: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Caller 5: Now, I listen to the two babes yelling at each other and you played a kind of neutral role. Now, where do you stand?

Host: Where do I stand at? One was attacking me, one was defending me. I guess I stand with the one who defends me. [chuckling]

Caller 5: I’m not interested in whether they attacked or defended. But did anybody have some right to say what they said?

Host: No.

Caller 5: Come on, you can do a little better than that!

Host: Well, you asked if they had a right to say what they said. They have a right to say what they want. Of course. Assume you mean say, …

Caller 5: I mean, did they reflect something you’ve done in the last couple of days or said in the last couple of days, pro-or anti?

Host: No. What was referred to? I answered the charge. The charge was that I said I did not give a damn. What I said was during the course of a hysterical conversation where the lady was screaming and hollering at me.

Caller 5: Keep the conversation out of it. But what is your feeling?

Host: My feeling about what, sir?

Caller 5: I think the charge was anti-semitism and pro-semitism or what?

Host: That’s right. Yes. Huh. Do you know what anti-semitism indicates?

Caller 5: All right, you tell me. What does it indicate?

[34:15]

Host: Well, for one thing, a Semite is descended from Shem. So this. This includes Arabs and Israelis.

Caller 5: Yeah, they were blood tests, as I recall.

Host: That’s right. They’re all Semites.

Caller 5: Right.

Host: Now, in the context that most people use it, which is incorrect, anti-semitism denotes anti-jewishness.

Caller 5: Well, yeah, but it’s sort of in a practical sense that you can accuse [word unclear] ’s at pragmatic. It sort of is the way it works. Right.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: Okay. Now let’s go back to what I listened to. These two broads, two young ladies that were talking to you. I couldn’t figure out what the hell is happening because I tuned in a little late and I haven’t listened to program for the last couple of days.

Host: Well, one called me a Hitler and one said I wasn’t.

Caller 5: Well, what the hell is the real score?

Host: Well, we’ve been dealing with the Middle East situation.

Caller 5: Right. And?

Host: And there are Arabs who say I am anti-Arab, and there are Arabs who say I am pro-Arab. There are jews who say I’m anti-Israeli, and there are jews who say I am pro-Israeli.

Caller 5: I don’t give a damn what you are! I’d rather you told me what you are!

Host: Well, [chuckling] if you don’t give a damn what I am, that doesn’t follow. Are you trying to ascertain with whom my sympathies lie in the Middle East dispute?

Caller 5: No, no, the point isn’t. I’ll correct myself. I didn’t mean to say. I don’t give a damn what you are. What I really meant to say was I want you to tell me what you think.

Host: I think, you’re talking about the Middle East situation?

Caller 5: That’s what you told me you were talking about.

Host: Right now there is a state, a Republic called Israel, in that area.

Caller 5: Was established in 1948.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: By the United Nations.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: And I’m sorry, go ahead.

Host: Anyway, the state is in existence. The Arab world does not recognize the existence of this state.

Caller 5: Well, they don’t do it. Well, they sort of recognize it, but they don’t recognize it from a political point of view.

Host: Right. My position is it is there. To me it exists. I recognize it. There will never be a relaxing of the state of hostility until the Arab world accepts the existence. There are many reasons why they do not accept the existence.

Caller 5: I follow you. Go ahead.

[36:47]

Host: Now in allowing Arabs to come on the line or anyone to come on the line and explain the other position, I opened myself to being charged with being anti-Israeli. The term has been anti-semitism and second Hitler and so on and so forth.

Caller 5: Wow! Second Hitler. You have a mustache.

Host: No, I don’t.

Caller 5: Okay. [chuckling] And you’re not a second Hitler. No. But have you made any pronouncements that have made these broads talk the way they do?

Host: No. Except in a private conversation with the hysterical one.

Caller 5: You shouldn’t have had a private, …

Host: I know I shouldn’t have!

Caller 5: This is the first place., …

Host: And I rarely break that rule! I rarely talk to anybody except on the air. And whenever I do, I’ve done it twice. [chuckling] It’s bad news.

But anyway, I did, fortunately, because of the equipment here. Taken the precaution of taping, you know,. So and also I taped her threats against my life and so on so forth.

Caller 5: [word unclear] this provocative conversation that set me up to this hour. My wife is listening here we have seen it.

[buzzer sounds]

Mr. Bell?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: When and if I hear you saying something wrong, I’ll get on and be even more malicious than these young ladies can be. Will you tell them to control their emotions and bring a little bit of rationalization or rationale to their conversation? I’m the guy who told you a couple of weeks ago that you are too patient with some of these idiots. Remember the day, …

Host: I don’t remember the conversation, but I do remember, …

Caller 5: I remember listening about five minutes later and some drunken old gal got on and she said:

“Well that pseudo intellectual comes on and tells us to be rational.”

Remember that?

Host: Yeah, vaguely.

Caller 5: Okay, that’s where I remember. No, but kidding aside, I’d like to hear your position on it. If there is a position or if you have a position and you’re going to be attacked no matter what your position.

Host: True, I’m in the position, the historical position of the jews who I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t but I have stated that I am basically., … Pardon?

Caller 5: I said being a jew, I know what the name of the game is.

Host: Ah.

Caller 5: Go ahead.

Host: Anyway, I have said that, as with most of the Western world, my sympathies are with the jews in this matter. In other words, I would be more, …

[39:24]

Caller 5: I’m not even sure I am a Democrat sympathetic to the jews. I think the Arabs have got a you know, they got a lot of problems. And I’m being facetious at the moment. But not completely because I think there are a lot of poor people, poor uneducated people that could benefit by what Israel could contribute to the Middle East. Not looking at something, not looking at it from a Westerner point of view, but just looking at it from the point of view of what fits to the Middle East. I think that the jews that have come there, who are mostly Europeans, highly educated, highly sophisticated, you know, technologically skillful, they could, you know, remake the goddamn Arab world and they’re ready to do it! I don’t mean every one of them. I’m not talking about orthodox religion, I’m talking about the people who would do it!

And I think that that the whole damn Middle East has become a boiling pot for western both politics and Soviet, US deal and they’ve lost sight. And guys like Nasser and maybe some of the jewish leaders too, have lost sight of the fact that if they want to make something good for their people, which is presumably what we’re all born to do, they’ve got to stop playing games, stop worrying about whether Mr. [word unclear] is an anti-semite because I don’t give a damn if he is, but if you are, don’t walk across the street with me at the same time, [host chuckled] stop giggling! I think if they., …

Host: That was a chuckle, sir.

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: That was a chuckle.

Caller 5: I don’t know. You might have burped. I think the point is that if we really care about the Middle East for the Middle East sake, then we ought to tell the Arabs, and I think the jews have been trying to do that they don’t always do it very carefully. But then again, the gentile world hasn’t done it very gently all the time either.

If you want to cooperate. Cooperate. You want to be a bunch of silly [buzzer]. You know, just. Did I hear any deep beats?

Host: I don’t know what he’s doing in there.

Caller 5: Something to either.

Host: I think he may be softening your conversation a bit. It’s a little colorful.

Caller 5: Who’s the he?

Host: Pardon?

Caller 5: I said who’s the he?

Host: My engineer.

Caller 5: I thought it was a censor. No, I think if you want to tell him, keep on with your own idiocy and keep up this nonsense in this part of the world, fine. I think the jews by any right have a right to Israel. And it’s debatable, but they are there and they’re a force for good so long as the Arab world wants to accept them. The Arab world wants to [word unclear] you on any kind of silly nonsense like filthy punk termite Carmichael that Canadians don’t own Canada because the Eskimos was here first and we are in a democracy because the Indians owned it first. Then you can listen to these guys and they’re right up to a point, and they’re seeing a certain amount of social injustice. But deep down, Israel the jews, have a right to that land on any international basis. And they proved it by virtue of their skill. And they could make the Arab lands richer, healthier.

Now their emotionalism is going to say:

“We don’t want the jews, we want our land back. We want to go back to the 17th century.”

Then, okay, they have a right to do that they have a right to do as Arabs, as Nasser did in 1968, 67, remember?

Host: Yes.

[44:07]

Caller 5: He said on Sunday:

“We’ll throw them into the ocean!”

The jew said:

“Look, if we’re going to be thrown into the ocean, like Mr, we’re not going to let you do that. We’re going to do the best we can to stop you.”

So then the rest of the world said:

“The jews were the aggressors.”

Because they sort of stopped the guy that would throw them into the ocean from throwing them to the ocean. Mr Bell, do you have anything to contribute?

Host: No. You’re saying, in effect what has been said over the past few days. And I have said over and over again, you know, there are three sides to the story. There’s the Arab side, there’s the Israeli side, and then there’s the truth! Because the Israelis are blinded on one side, the Arabs are blinded on one side. And you cannot be objective over an issue like this. It’s impossible! This is why it is fairly obvious that, at least it should be fairly obvious that I am. You know, if I have to be one or the other. I’m basically pro-Israeli. However, …

Caller 5: … Myself., … Problem.

Host: No, but that’s just my personal feeling.

Caller 5: But I gotta wait and that’s my problem. Now you go ahead.

Host: Yeah. Now, I think it cannot be objective. That does not preclude your being fair. And that is what I try to do, functioning on this program. I try to be fair.

In other words, there are these sides to be heard. And of course, because it’s an emotional issue and you cannot be objective about it. And I don’t expect anyone to be objective about it, I open for myself to incredible criticizm and threats against my life and so on and so forth.

Caller 5: Why don’t you expect anybody to be objective about it?

Host: I don’t see how it’s possible.

Caller 5: Why?

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue.

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue on both sides.

Caller 5: [buzzer sounds] Highly emotional? The French-Canadian separatism problem, the problem of the atom bomb, the problem of communism, of separatism, of everything. These are all highly emotional issues! No, I think you’re right. Most people are not capable of being objective. Including me and maybe you. I’m not including you because that’s your prerogative. But I don’t think it’s valid. Can’t be reasonably objective.

Host: Right. When I say, you know, ideally, objectivism or to be objective, it would be an ideal way to deal with it. But because it is unlikely, I say that there is no reason why you shouldn’t be fair.

Caller 5: Fair?

Host: I’m using that in place of the objectivity that you could use in reacting to another issue. In this particular type of issue, as I say, objectivity is unlikely. Are you open to taking a call, sir?

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: Are you open to taking a call?

Caller 5: I’ll take any calls at all!

Host: Go right ahead.

Caller 1: (female) Good evening.

Host: Good evening.

Caller 1: May I please speak to the gentleman who’s on with you now?

Host: Yes, go ahead.

Caller 1: Listen, Mr, I don’t know your name, but anyway, Mr Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all!

Caller 5: Hello here. Would you talk a little louder?

Caller 1: Right. Mr. Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all! Did you hear the night line last night? From 12 o’clock till 5 o’clock this morning?

Caller 5: Oh, dear! I Was busy sleeping, I think.

Caller 1: Well, let me. And it was obvious to everybody who was listening. It took a few hours, he [words unclear] that this man was upsetting every jewish person in Montreal.

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, he wasn’t upsetting me.

Caller 1: Well, he wasn’t upsetting you?

Caller 5: No, I wasn’t listening to him then.

Caller 1: He was upsetting me.

Caller 5: Okay, I’m sorry if he upset you. What did he do to you, [word unclear] idiot?

Caller 1: This neo-Nazi carried on for five hours!

Caller 5: What did he say?

Caller 1: He spoke all sorts of nonsense! We had very articulate jewish people on the line. We had very hysterical people on the line, people who had lost all their relations.

Caller 5: Okay, but what did Mr. Bell do?

Caller 1: Mr. Bell was absolutely neutral if he had anything to do. He gave the other chap all the time. He gave some people seven minutes. He gave some people a little longer.

Caller 5: I hear. Would you hold on for a minute? Okay. Mr Bell?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: You there?

Host: I am.

Caller 5: Did you do that?

Host: No, I did not. The gentleman was on the line, but in terms of time, my time and his time put together did not anywhere near equal the time in opposition, which, in effect was the jewish side.

Caller 1: He kept the man on five hours!

Host: Madam, I’m sorry. The jewish callers kept him on.

Caller 1: Mr Bell there were two callers. You gave them seven minutes, even then if they came back. I tried to get the line for five solid hours!

Host: Right. Now. When you add up all what we’ll call the jewish time and put it, let’s say, against the caller and my time and the news, you’ll find that the jewish callers had proportionately more time.

Now, I did not keep him on. The callers kept him on.

Caller 1: He kept me on the air for five hours with my position and [word unclear] beat the Arab people, I have no issue with Arabs coming on the line and explaining their side.

[49:52]

Host: Madam, when you called up, you want to talk to this gentleman, and I said:

“That’s fine.”

Now, if somebody calls up and wants to talk to you, that’s fine, too. You can hang on if you don’t object to taking their calls.

Caller 1: But I wanted to tell this gentleman that you were not telling him what went on last night, keeping him [words unclear] natural offender.

Caller 5: Dear, you listen to me for a minute. I didn’t listen to the conversation last night.

Caller 1: But I’m telling you I’m not, …

Caller 5: Hey, dear, I heard you and I got the message. Bell must be a rotten. Mr. Bell, you listening?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: Well, you must be kind of some kind of pervert! But he also is a very confident man that’s handling this kind of job. Are you listening, dear?

Caller 1: Yes.

Caller 5: Maybe from time to time, this kind of job is a battle. So don’t attack him until he tells you he’s an anti-semite.

[sound cut out]

Host: I mention to you that we are undergoing some technical difficulties. I have three engineers and they’re working on it. So you will be cutting out from time to time? Possibly. It’s unfortunate, but that’s where it has to be for the moment.

Caller 1: Is that Mr. Bell speaking?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: (female) I am the third party, Mr. Bell, and I would appreciate very much. Even if it’s off the air, I would appreciate to speak to that gentleman and, …

Caller 5: And Just a minute, dear.

Caller 2: Is it possible?

Host: Well, you’re talking to him now, ma’am.

Caller 2: Thank you.

Caller 5: Mr. Bell.

Host: Yes, sir.

Caller 5: Okay. I’m Hope, Chief Charity. And I said you’re Faith, …

Caller 2: Sir.

Host: So we have Faith, Hope and Charity on the line.

Caller 2: I am a human being. This is what happened. I appreciate the fact that you got, …

Caller 5: I wasn’t there and I didn’t look there, …

Caller 2: I appreciate the fact that you got out. The fate of the whole situation. I am not going to, … You know what that means?

Caller 5: I don’t speak that language. But go ahead, dear.

Caller 2: Oh, yes you do.

Caller 1: And I know what you mean.

Caller 2: You do?

Caller 1: Yes, I do.

Caller 2: Well, listen, the woman pulled up, …

Caller 5: How many women? Mr Bell.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: How many women, …

Host: Sir, you’re cutting out. Would you mind repeating what you said?

[52:32]

Caller 2: Hey, I said I appreciate the fact that the judgment got [word unclear] It saved the whole situation because that’s what we need, more brilliant people on the line, not just trusted on. If he’s such a hardened nurse, why listen to the stomach sickness in these days. Why isn’t she nursing? That’s the nurse I’m speaking of now, the gentleman was saying that the two women were young. I am in [word unclear] for the last two weeks, sir. And I heard everything. I heard the Sterling fellow and everybody. And I couldn’t cope with the way that both of the women were attacking Mr. Bell And I faced him. I came to his rescue. I don’t know if he cares to. There was such excitement. Well, why can’t Mr. Bell defend himself? He’s quite capable of defending himself. Oh, are you the lady? I’m the lady. Are you still the you call yourself a lady too? I’m not yelling at. I came on to speak to the gentlemen, and to Mr. Bell. I want to have a full weight.

Caller 1: [words unclear]

Caller 2: You’re not saying anything else, but the same thing all over again.

Caller 1: Please believe me. You didn’t believe me that I am jewish. I want to tell you I had more friends than you will ever have and I never had any misunderstanding with any one of them.

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, I came on. And you called me an anti-semite.

Host: All right, well, just moment. Let’s take space for a second. Go ahead.

Caller 5: Faith, faithful and charity.

Caller 2: Mr Bell, I came onto the air.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: To the gentleman, may I have my chance? May this lady please come on later.

Caller 1: Yeah, I’ll wait.

Caller 2: Well, I’ll be the judge of that, ma’am. Just stand by you have been designated Faith, hope and charity. Madam, you are Faith. Go ahead.

Caller 2: Now, Mr. Bell, if you knew that you were a upsetting so many people last night for five hours, why didn’t you cut this man? Why didn’t you stop the whole thing?

Host: Because upsetting one is no basis for cutting anyone off the air. We’ve had other discussions. I won’t even mention what they are, but they have upset people too.

Now, no matter what you talk about, if you’re dealing with an emotional issue, you’re going to upset people. And that just narrows what we, … I don’t want to get into budgie birds and puppies dogs and, …

Caller 2: Neither do I Mr Bell. But the whole point is this, that you knew quite well that the jewish people of this city whose relations are in Israel who are going to part of the war are in a panic anyway. You don’t need neo-Nazis to put us into a bigger panic!

[55:20]

Host: Well, you see, you’re accusing someone of being a neo-Nazi. That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. It is not my opinion and I am running the show.

Caller 2: Hey, but what about all the dozens of others or [words unclear] and accuse him of being a neo-Nazi too?

Host: Well, what about the dozens and dozens of calls that came in not accusing of being a neo-Nazi?

Caller 2: Because you really compare the intelligence of the few people who called you up to compliment you and say:

“Oh, Mr Bell, we enjoy your show. Carry on. You do the good work.”

To these people who came on this articulate woman last night, who gave you the position of Israel to the man who comes on pretty often. Do you know that this particular Nazi, and we probably do know by now, does not get onto Mr. Burns, sir, Mr. Burns says:

“I smell this Nazi and he never gets onto that show!”

So if Mr. Burns thinks he’s a Nazi, surely you appreciate Mr Burns intelligence? I mean, really, Mr. Bell, there’s something so sadistic about you and this man and this, …

Caller 5: Hey, doll, can I interrupt?

Host: Yes, sir, go right ahead, Hope.

Caller 5: Dear, I haven’t heard a thing and I didn’t listen to the program last night, but I haven’t heard of a thing that Mr. Bell did last night. I was wrong to start [word unclear] some character talk. Did he do anything other than that?

Caller 2: Do you want me to answer?

Caller 5: Yes, you’re the one that’s caught me.

Caller 2: He upset people to such an extent, …

Caller 5: No, no, I’m asking you a question here.

Caller 2: Yes. This is one of the suggestions he made, that the Israelis should pay the refugees reparation.

Caller 5: I think it’s a pretty goddamn [buzzer sounds] I’m all of the, … Go ahead.

Caller 2: Would you like the 6 million jews plus the 28 million, 24 million other people to come out and also have to pay the reparation? How do you pay for these human lives?

Caller 5: Well, I don’t know how you pay for human lives. And you’re right.

Caller 2: And don’t you., …

Caller 5: Mr Bell.

Host: Yes.

Caller 5: Just a minute.

Host: Yes.

Caller 5: Mr. Bell ought to participate.

Caller 2: Mr. Bell does not participate!

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, quiet down. Quiet down, …

Caller 2: I’m not your baby doll.

Caller 5: Well, if you’re not my baby doll. You’re somebody else’s.

Caller 2: That’s for sure.

Caller 5: Okay, fine. Sure. You got to be somebody’s baby doll. Mr. Bell.

Host: Yes, sir.

Caller 5: Come on! You, sir, participate.

Host: All right. In terms of evaluating the lives lost and the caller was on earlier referred to it as a grisly subject, which it is.

Caller 2: [buzzer sounds]

Host: On one side with his lawyers and a jewish leader on the other side with his lawyers arrived at a settlement. Let’s say. That was a figure was arrived.

Caller 5: In relation to what?

Host: In relation to the lives lost in Germany.

Caller 5: Okay, all right, now I got the message. Go ahead.

Host: Well, this term, rather this figure was based on, as the caller mentioned, the fact that a father is responsible for the upbringing of children up to the age of 21. So then the state took over at that point. In terms of other members of the family logic. It was arrived at in similar logic, let’s say a lawyer’s logic, I guess, for lack of a better term.

Caller 5: Yeah, I got the message. Go ahead.

Host: Well, that is all that I’m saying on that point.

Caller 5: What the hell is this broad [word unclear] you up?

Host: It’s upsetting the jewish population of Montreal.

Caller 2: Well, why is it upsetting the jewish population? They know that’s [word unclear] for no reason.

Caller 5: You’re not a baby doll. I know. Okay.

Caller 2: Isn’t that awful?

Caller 5: No. Okay. It’s not awful!

Caller 2: Now, what sort of a remark is that from that woman? Isn’t that awful?

Host: Well, let’s listen to the [word unclear] charity. Go ahead. Charity.

Caller 2: I mean, this is ridiculous! Wouldn’t like to get on three, four times a day.

Host: Okay, now Charity is on the line. Go ahead, Charity.

Caller 2: There’s a point of this that it’s a well known fact, or it should be to Mr. Bell.

Host: One moment. You’re Faith, you’re Faith.

Caller 5: I’m sorry. [word unclear] responsibility. Mr. Bell.

Host: One moment, sir. One moment, sir.

Caller 4: You know you’ll never change that woman’s mind. She sticks to the same story. I shall tell tomorrow to every one.

Caller 2: And I discuss this with Mr. Bell. I don’t want that woman on the earth. I have nothing to do.

Caller 4: I can say the same things for you, my dear.

Caller 2: But I didn’t call up to talk to you, madam.

Caller 4: I didn’t talk to you.

Caller 2: I mean, you’re just a false spoke to the wheel.

Ernst Zundel: I would like my listeners to realize that all three individuals arguing with one another so vehemently are jews. Faith, Hope and Charity. All three are jews! The debate raged on. Much material was brought out and I would like you to have the opportunity to inform yourself further to these issues. You can obtain material book list from us from Zamistad, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Postal code M5A 2L1. Telephone number 416-922-9850. [No longer valid]

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