Kenny Ko: What is up, guys? Welcome back to Kenny Cancelled. I have a very special guest today. It is Germar Rudolf, who many of you may know, and many of you may yet to know, but I’m sure you will be happy to hear his story for a like-minded cause. Germar, thank you once again for taking the time to join the podcast and chat with me. I’ve been looking forward to this just because I’ve wanted to pick your brains on some of the stuff that I believe happened during the “Holocaust” and other certain events throughout history.

 

I’ll allow you to take the mic, introduce yourself for maybe the people who don’t know much about you as of yet.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, well, thank you first of all for having me. A little bit about my background. I’m a German citizen. I grew up in West Germany. I had a kind of normal lower middle-class upbringing and ended up going to university studying chemistry, graduated from Bonn University, then moved on for postgrad studies for a PhD, got a position at a Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research to work on a PhD there.

 

And while I was doing that research, I became curious and interested in applying my knowledge as a forensic chemist, which I had developed during my graduate studies, to a field that is a little bit exotic—that is to say, history. I stumbled over an expert report that had been submitted in 1988 during a Canadian trial against a German immigrant who had been quote, unquote, “denying the Holocaust”. That expert report was written by the—back then—the only existing expert in execution technologies in the United States. Since we have the death penalty here in several states, there need to be people who can design and equip and maintain that kind of equipment.

 

So he was asked in that trial to come up with his expert opinion of whether or not the homicidal gas chambers that are said to have existed at the Auschwitz and Majdanek camps could have existed. He did that and he came to the conclusion:

 

“No, that wouldn’t have worked!”

 

Caused quite a brouhaha. I learned about it a year later. At the time when I was just graduating and then doing my fledgling PhD studies. I dipped my feet into that field and tried to find out a little bit more because I got a copy of that expert report from Fred Leuchter, from that American expert, and I was not satisfied. It didn’t live up to my expectations and I wanted to do a better job. And then I found actually a legal team who would finance that. So I got expenses paid—didn’t get anything paid but reimbursement for my expenses.

 

But that was good enough for me. I was personally curious about what was going on. And I eventually submitted an expert report that was introduced—or, I should say, the defense lawyers in seven or eight defense cases in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, more so than Germany actually—tried to introduce it. The courts turned it down in these cases. German courts don’t accept any evidence that challenges the mainstream narrative.

 

But anyway, that was my introduction into the topic. My conclusions basically were: Leuchter had it basically right, even though he jumped a little bit to conclusions that were not well founded. But I managed to do a lot of research and back it up.

 

And while this all was going on—doing my PhD studies, doing this forensic work, investigations and appearing in court as an expert witness who was always turned down—I realized, well, Auschwitz, the question of whether or not there were homicidal gas chambers and whether forensic chemistry can elucidate any of the questions of whether it happened or not and if there are any traces, is only a very minor aspect of the Holocaust, which is a big issue. It’s three years, a whole continent, hundreds if not thousands of crime locations. And what can you deduct from thinking to have resolved one tiny issue about one alleged murder location in this context?

 

So I figured the area is bigger. I want to know more. I want to wrap my head around everything. And I was reaching out to other people. I was planning on doing an anthology, a collection of—I think it was initially—15 contributions by various authors from all over the world who were looking into other aspects of the Holocaust. And we eventually published that book. While that was being prepared, German authorities also…

 

Kenny Ko: Sorry to interrupt, just for the people that are watching, what was the name of the book?

 

[04:12]

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, it appeared in an English translation in 2,000 for the first time. And it’s called Dissecting the Holocaust. Now all the books and the research that I have pursued and published ever since, over the past 35 years, can all be accessed free of charge as ebooks on the website called Holocausthandbooks.com. So if anyone’s interested in actually following up and finding out what this is all about, you can go there and find it out.

 

So that was volume one of the Holocaust Handbooks, Dissecting the Holocaust. This anthology has more contributions now. The updated last edition is just two years old, I think. And volume two of it was actually— is now—an updated, expanded edition of my original forensic research into the question of whether or not there were homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. That’s volume two.

 

And as I mentioned, there are now 54 volumes, plus we have a range of documentaries and some other, more summary books—they’re called Holocaust Pocketbooks. All of this stuff is available free of charge on HolocaustHandbooks.com. You’ll find links there where you can also purchase hard copies which are not free of charge, of course; they cost to produce and mail.

 

So the authorities were going after me. I had by 1990, I think, five court cases pending, five criminal investigations pending, in addition to my original trial for my forensic research. As I mentioned, introducing that evidence gets impossible in German court cases.

 

And then they went a step further, actually putting me on trial for it, for my forensic research, and denied me then the right to defend myself by proving that I’m correct. Because that is “contesting the mainstream narrative” again; you’re not allowed to commit that crime in a courtroom, so you’re not allowed to defend your views. They actually later turned it into an actual crime to even file a motion to introduce evidence proving that my dissenting views—or anyone’s dissenting views for that matter—are correct, declared that a crime, and they would prosecute defendants or primarily defense lawyers who would file such motions, and convicted them.

 

So defense in Germany in these cases is illegal! It’s kind of absurd—a Kafkaesque situation. I had to go through this in my own trial. Eventually I decided I’m not putting up with this. I was sentenced to 14 months for my forensic research, but I didn’t have to serve time immediately because the appeal was pending. And when more and more criminal investigations were filed by the prosecutors for the various books and journal articles that I was working on, I had published, I decided to leave.

 

So I went into exile and in 1996 lived in England for three years, until a journalist there published a hit piece on me demanding that I be extradited to Germany. And then British Parliament even had a session where I was discussed. And so the situation got tricky there.

 

I had used the three years in England to expand my publishing activities. At that point I was a little bit hemmed in, couldn’t do active research anymore because I was kind of living under an assumed identity and couldn’t travel. But I was giving other researchers a platform; they could submit stuff to me, I would publish it online and in print, initially only in the German language.

 

But then I slowly started to get into doing stuff in English, which of course—if something in this modern world, with the lingua franca being English, does not exist in English—it basically doesn’t exist at all! You have to do stuff in English for it to be recognized and noticed by the world. Now my English initially when I came to England was pretty bad. But the three years helped me to get up to speed. And when things were heating up in England, I decided to leave. In late 1999 I came to this country and after a while applied for political asylum here.

 

Now I expanded then in this country to do what I had done before only in German, also in English, which down the road ended up with these 54 volumes plus all the other stuff.

 

However, there was a little bit of a bump in the road because America has waged two wars against Germany to make them do what they do—suppress historical dissent. So they were not willing to give me political asylum, even though the immigration judge who reviewed my case said multiple times during the hearing that:

 

“This is the best documented asylum case he’s ever seen!”

 

But the immigration judge is not a judge in the legal sense. He’s actually an employee of, back then, the State Department, and later it was the Department of Homeland Security. And he has to follow orders given by the administration, and they said:

 

“Deport him!”

 

And eventually that’s what happened. By that time, however, I had married a US citizen. The marriage had been recognized and I had been granted an immigrant visa. I had the documents that:

 

“Your immigrant visa for a Green Card is granted.”

 

And at that moment—when that certificate, this confirmation, was issued—I was arrested and deported. So just before getting to the counter to get my actual Green Card, they arrested me and deported me back to Germany.

 

Now Germany had an axe to grind because by that time I had published a further 20 books in the German language. And they had an arrest warrant out not only for the 14 months that I had to spend from before, but also for the 21 books that I had published and been selling in the time ever since I had left Germany.

 

Kenny Ko: So my question, and I’m sure the audience too, what’s the crime that they charged you with?

 

Germar Rudolf: Incitement to hate.

 

Kenny Ko: Exposing the truth?

 

[09:40]

 

Germar Rudolf: No, the crimes—they didn’t invent these new laws. They had been on the books, similar laws, ever since Frederick the Great! Believe it or not, Frederick the Great had a massive immigration policy because after the Thirty Years’ War, Prussia/Brandenburg was devastated and was depopulated to a large degree. And he wanted French Huguenots and Protestants who were persecuted in France to come to Prussia. So he invited them by the tens and hundreds of thousands. I don’t know the exact figures, but the Prussian subjects of Frederick the Great were not happy about this massive influx of immigrants from a different culture. So no different situation than today—people being not happy about mass immigration. And there was a lot of polemics going on. Frederick the Great issued a law: You can’t stir up the people against minorities—particularly non-German, non-Prussian minorities back then.

 

So that law has developed over time. It became part of Germany in 1871, when Prussia kind of merged into Germany and Germany took over the Prussian laws more or less. And that’s been on the books ever since. As a matter of fact, in 1936, I think, under National Socialism, a German Catholic priest by the name of Rupert Mayer was indicted by the Third Reich judiciary for inciting the masses and stirring up the masses, because he was preaching in his church against National Socialist policies. He was sent to a concentration camp for a few months. So he was kind of persecuted for the same—and prosecuted for the same—offense that I have been prosecuted for.

 

The group that is protected by this law depends on whatever the zeitgeist demands as a specially protected group. Under Frederick the Great, it was the French immigrants; under the National Socialists, it was the government and the National Socialists that wanted special protection. And nowadays it’s immigrants and jews and Zionists that have this special protection. So it’s a vaster, or more numerous, group of special interest groups that have special protection nowadays.

 

So that was stirring up the people—inciting to hatred—back then. They still have “inciting to racial hatred.” They have taken that term out because “races” don’t exist, as you know. It’s politically incorrect to assume that.

 

And then also “disparaging the commemoration of the dead” and “insults.” Insult is on still-living jewish witnesses—insult them by insinuating that they could not have told the truth! And disparaging the commemoration of the dead is just all the victims that died—you deny that they even existed as victims, and so on. So there are four laws I was actually tried under back then. They did not yet have a special law for, quote-unquote, “denying the Holocaust”. They introduced that in 1994, kind of as a result also of my activities that unfolded back in the years, and all the rest of it.

 

Anyway, I ended up being deported to Germany, put on trial there, got another 30 months for only two of the nine books I was indicted for. Twenty-one were in the arrest, 19 were in the indictment. And for two of them I got convicted to 30 months. Had it been 21, that could have gotten nasty. If you get one year or so for each one of them, you do the math. Because eventually I got 50 months for the two books—the two publications—they booked me for eventually.

 

So 44 months later, I was out. And the US authorities said—they eventually denied my political asylum. The case had still not been resolved by the time I was deported. So I was whisked away, not only in violation because I was rightfully married to a US citizen. And US law says you can adjust status if you have a clean record.

 

And what I was convicted for in Germany was not recognized as a crime here in the United States. It’s First Amendment stuff. So from the US perspective, I had a clean record, should have been allowed to adjust status to permanent legal residence, but they deported me. Plus, it’s a violation of the Fifth Amendment, the right of anyone physically present in the United States to have due process.

 

Now, if in the middle of a hearing and procedure in front of a federal court, you arrest a defendant and throw him out of the country— which is exactly the reason why the case is pending; you want to prevent being deported—that’s the whole reason of the case, whether it’s political asylum or just withholding from deportation. Both of these cases we had filed for. Deporting me in the middle of it is a violation of the Fifth Amendment. Supreme Court didn’t take the case. That’s the way how they prevent not adjudicating a case that is unpleasant to them.

 

So I was back in Germany and then had to fight my way back to get my immigrant visa, even though I had already been granted it; it wasn’t issued physically yet. And then I was outside of the country already, so I needed one to be able to get back. The US authorities weren’t adjudicating the application. They just said:

 

“It’s too complicated. We can’t decide whether we’ll ever be able to adjudicate it.”

 

In other words, they were stonewalling. I had to litigate against them, force them to a decision. Fortunately, I got a judge in the Chicago federal court who kind of sided with me. For once, something went my way. He is an immigrant judge from Syria. No, I think from Syria. Not quite sure. Anyway, from the Middle East. So he evidently saw through what’s going on here, and he rubber-stamped every motion that we filed in kind of lightning speed. For legal considerations, federal courts take months for things to be decided, but he was taking days.

 

And then in August, 2011, after two years of waiting and litigating after having gotten out of prison in Germany, I was back in the United States. So I’ve been in the country ever since. The Germans keep doing what they’re doing, issuing arrest warrants or Europe-wide arrest warrants. And they stopped issuing me a passport because they want to catch me, but I don’t need a passport.

 

So I have no intention of leaving the country.

 

[15:21]

 

Kenny Ko: I was going to say, do you ever plan on leaving the United States now?

 

Germar Rudolf: No, I can’t. I have no passport. I’ve tried to adjust to become a citizen. But no matter what your background is, you have no right to become a US citizen. That’s a discretionary act of the people of the United States, represented by the government. And I applied for it, but they were stonewalling that case too, not adjudicating it.

 

And then eventually a cop framed me for something that didn’t happen. Early in the morning—talking about fitness—I was doing triathlons early in the morning for four years. Some neighbor in the neighborhood didn’t like that I was working out in the park there, doing calisthenics, and going in the river to swim, and ride a bicycle.

 

Kenny Ko: Were they jewish?

 

Germar Rudolf: No, it’s just—I don’t know the neighbor. It’s just a riverfront property. And he went to work every morning and he saw me once in a while, and he was calling the cops for years! Cops were checking on me for years! I didn’t realize what was going on really, but I couldn’t do anything. They got pissed. They got called for years and years—six years or so—every other morning in the summertime when this guy saw me. He wasn’t happy about me working out in the park area there.

 

Kenny Ko: Wait, why did he dislike you so much, or what was his issue? Did he know your work or something?

 

Germar Rudolf: No, no, I don’t know.

 

Kenny Ko: Interesting!

 

Germar Rudolf: I have never contacted the guy. I don’t know anything. I know from a cop that eventually talked to me about this, that there is, they say:

 

“A man in the neighborhood, he calls anonymously.”

 

Nobody can call the police anonymously! So that was just a claim made up in order not to have to reveal to me who that is because they think some people may take revenge for the perpetrator. I know where he lives. I know his daily routine because I was there for 10 years, every morning from April to September/October, and I know his daily routine—what time he gets up, where his bedroom is, what he does next, when he goes to the kitchen, does his breakfast, and which TV channels he watches, until he gets in his car and leaves for work. That’s the routine. I’ve been there for 10 years. I know the routine of that neighborhood.

 

Anyway, the cops realized they can’t get the guy to stop complaining and they can’t do anything against me because it’s legal to be there! That’s a famous fishing, motor-boat, recreational area.

 

And so the guy just said he was going to make up a claim that I was doing indecent exposure there, which wasn’t true. But you have only a cop and yourself at four o’clock, at a dark, vacated park, nobody there. And the guy makes up a story and then he contradicts himself. That’s interesting. Because in the preliminary hearing he makes up a completely wild story. And I couldn’t believe it, what he was telling. And then by the time the trial came, the prosecution had realized that the case was physically impossible. The claims he made couldn’t have been. It was not visible what he was claiming. It was just physically impossible. So they completely changed the story.

 

And if you have that situation that a witness—and that’s only one witness—completely changes the story, that’s automatic proof of perjury.

 

So I have that actually published, both transcripts, and everyone can look at it. You see that a cop’s committing perjury on the behest and on instruction, I would assume, of the prosecution. Because the prosecutor doing the trial showed a photo of the scene, taken from the place where the cop said he saw things. And you could see the things he described in the preliminary time were impossible. The prosecutor must have realized that. And then they told the cop that and he changed his story.

 

I requested after that from three law firms, three lawyers: :

 

“What do we do about it? I want to file a criminal complaint against the cop for perjury.”

 

And the answer is:

 

“They framed you the first time—if you are right that they framed you—and the prosecutor actually was the one working with the cop to get that accomplished. Your criminal complaint against the cop for perjury would come on the desk of the very prosecutor that has framed you in the first place. What do you think is going to happen? You get a second framing so fast you can’t blink an eye! And if you have two of these cases hanging, as an immigrant, you get deported from this country automatically!”

 

And that’s what’s going on. So my attempt to get citizenship was stonewalled. They weren’t deciding it, but the moment I was convicted and the conviction was upheld in the appeal—which was kind of absurd too—they instantly denied my citizenship application because I have a criminal record. Now you see what’s going on. And the appeal, the argument was:

 

“Wait a minute. If a guy with a searchlight goes in a park at night, completely black, and looks around and then happens to find a person with pants down, as he claims, what do you call a person who’s doing that?”

 

Kenny Ko: A streaker, I guess, or flasher.

 

Germar Rudolf: Peeping Tom!

 

Kenny Ko: Yeah.

 

[20:03]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. So if you give that guy a police badge, what do you call that? Still a peeping Tom!

 

So the argument wasn’t made that way. But basically, a crime of indecent exposure requires that somebody has been indecently exposed to someone of the public. A police officer who is going around with searchlights is not a person of the public. It doesn’t count. So therefore, the crime has not been committed, because as we all know, it was completely dark and it was vacated. Even if it were true—which it isn’t—but if it were true that I was there with my pants down, it cannot have been a crime because nobody was around. And the Appeals Court said:

 

“Well, it doesn’t matter. From now on, we say anyone who has the pants down anywhere in public, whether anyone is around or not, commits indecent exposure.”

 

Which means that every person in the world that ever lived has committed indecent exposure! If you were ever in nature and had a pee or did your business—which happens to us sometimes—it’s automatic indecent exposure.

 

Kenny Ko: They might be looking for me. I probably have over 50 charges against me here!

 

Germar Rudolf: Right! So legal professionals after that appeal decision said:

 

“This is impossible! This is completely untenable case law you’ve created here. Now, everyone has committed indecent exposure. Indecent exposure requires the intentional act to expose your genitals to someone in public who does not consent!”

 

If you’re in a nudist area, that’s not, because you have consent there, right? But if it’s not in a nudist area, you don’t get consent, then that’s a crime. But if there’s no one around, there’s no exposure. So later they actually reverted that by simply ignoring the case law. And every case that’s been adjudicated in Pennsylvania ever since still goes after the old law because the new case law is complete bullshit! But it shows you what was going on—trying to prevent me from getting citizenship, to have something, and to go to extreme lengths, to ridiculous lengths!

 

And I suspect that they got to my defense lawyer, because my defense lawyer threw me under the bus. I had all the evidence showing that this thing cannot happen. And of course we had him nailed when he contradicted himself—perjury. And my defense lawyer refused to defend me, refused to introduce any evidence.

 

So this is the curious thing about America. You have the First Amendment when you are outside the courtroom, you can speak your mind. If you’re inside the courtroom in a penal case and you’re the defendant, you don’t have First Amendment rights. You depend—you can speak out only if you go—if you’re defended by a lawyer, of course—you can speak about the case only if you go into the witness stand and then you can only answer to specific questions that you are asked. My defense lawyer, I had given him 10 questions I wanted him to ask me, and then develop the case and introduce all the evidence. And then I get into the witness stand and he doesn’t ask any of the questions! Only one:

 

“What did happen that morning?”

 

Which was complete bullshit because that didn’t allow me to introduce any of the evidence showing that I was working out, that I have a history of working out, and introduce images of my clothing, and so forth.

 

Anyway, the issue is, of course, now I don’t have citizenship and I have this criminal conviction. And the lawyers then said:

 

“Get the hell out of there! The best is to remove yourself from Pennsylvania—not just from this county—most certainly stay away from that county because they have you on their list there, and move!”

 

So that’s what I eventually did.

 

Kenny Ko: So where’d you move to from there?

 

Germar Rudolf: I’m in upstate New York now.

 

Kenny Ko: Okay. And you’ve been there since?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, you know, it was my marriage that fell apart. That’s been in decline ever since. You know, if you have been forcibly separated for six years, that doesn’t bode well for any marriage. And my wife suffered more than I during that time of separation because it wasn’t her battle and she had to be a single mother raising our daughter all by herself. She was stressed out and not happy.

 

And then of course, I wouldn’t stop doing what I was doing. Coming back, slowly getting my feet back into things—that is not conducive to marital bliss. Plus, which I found later, the family and friends evidently were undermining the marriage from behind the scenes, unbeknownst to me, to one degree or another. So that wasn’t a good situation.

 

Anyway, eventually, when all this unraveled, I left and lived with friends first until my marriage issues were resolved—getting through divorce and splitting up assets and so forth. Until you know what you have, you don’t want to make any moves. So when that was settled, I could actually get my own life back. And that happened a couple of years ago.

 

Now I’ve used that time well. Fifty-four volumes of hard-hitting research accessible at HolocaustHandbooks.com, unparalleled in the world when it comes to the depth and the scale and scope. For instance, if we look at Auschwitz, which is the most iconic crime scene of the Holocaust—whatever happened there—I mean, it was nasty even from a revisionist perspective, from a skeptical perspective: 135, 500 documented cases of deceased inmates. That’s a huge number.

 

[25:04]

 

Kenny Ko: Because I do want to pick your brain heavily on your research and what you found. One question I wanted, and I’m sure a lot of people have it: How’d you go from your PhD field—what you thought you were going to pursue—into so passionately looking into the events surrounding the Holocaust and the World War II time frame? What kind of sparked your interest, I guess, to want to navigate that?

 

Germar Rudolf: I had an interest in German history, just not that topic because it’s an unpleasant topic—modern German history, kind of circumnavigating the Holocaust, ever since, I would say, ever since I started studying at university, it was a kind of a private hobby. I knew about the importance of the topic when it comes to the German psyche, if you want to put it that way, because it weighs heavily on Germans, on their self-confidence as a nation, as an identity. But you kind of take it for granted. It’s cast in stone. It’s inevitable to have to deal with it. So it never crossed my mind to challenge the narrative, let’s say it that way.

 

But I refuse to accept that two wrongs make a right, that one evil can balance out another one. So using what happened in the past—whatever it is—as justification to commit other injustices, whether it’s against my own people and country after the Second World War or in subsequent issues that have come up more recently. Like we look at what’s going on in Gaza or the various wars that Israel is waging—that made me aware that it has relevance, political relevance; still not a way of challenging it.

 

But once I did stumble over arguments that I could verify—or refute, for that matter—the toxicological and forensic research that Fred Leuchter in the United States had done, I said:

 

“Well, I have to look into this is a question, a topic that has huge implications politically.”

 

Back then I thought only in German dimensions. I was kind of still in the German box. In the meantime, I’m more cosmopolitan, I see the larger picture. But it was enough for me to say:

 

“I want to find out!”

 

And the real motivator that got me going is to realize during my time as an expert witness how the system breaks all the rules it claims to defend. It claims to be at the core of its values—be it free speech, be it freedom of science, be it the rule of law. As an expert witness in court—when you are in Germany—the German procedural rules say if an expert witness is already in court, he is an expert at what he is supposed to testify for, he is able to testify, and the testimony is relevant to the case that’s being handled by the court, then he has to be heard. There’s no way of turning them down because there’s no effort for the court to get the expert—he’s already in the court—yet still they violated that law, in every one of the seven or eight cases I was summoned to testify!

 

And the panic that I saw in some cases in the eyes of the judges—because they knew they needed to violate the law; they are the criminals in that case. One of them ran out, called some superior—there is no superior of a judge—but evidently called probably the capital or whatever, some higher court to find out:

 

“Do I get backing from the higher courts if I violate the procedural rules here?”

 

And evidently the decision later on by the German Supreme Court:

 

“Yes, we’ve always done it, we will always keep doing it. That’s the way we have to do it!”

 

Bunch of horseshit! Excuse my English.

 

Kenny Ko: Hey, you can use whatever language you want. They put you through absolute hell! And first, I wanted to say too, thank you for all you have done, by the way. And also, sorry that you’ve been put through so much. But it just shows that the truth will always prevail. And we need people like you. Honestly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for doing what you did, sacrificing what you have in order to get this information out to the masses.

 

[28:49]

 

 

 

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, that is the stage I’m in right now, actually. I was getting to that. Fifty-four volumes of hard-hitting archival and forensic research—too much to wrap your head around. If you want to read it all, it takes you years and by the time you get to the end, you have already forgotten the beginning. And the same was for me.

 

I mean, I’ve published all this stuff in German, in English, I’ve republished it in many, many editions. So I’m the one who actually has that stuff on his fingertips and should have the best knowledge of where to find what. But I couldn’t! I was forgetting stuff. And I had a hard time finding arguments, finding evidence, finding sources. So I decided eventually we need to write an encyclopedia.

 

And that’s what I’ve done. After my marriage fell apart—the depression, it put me into separation from my kids, from my home—I used that time, work therapy, to sit down. Within five months, I wrote an entire encyclopedia. Normally that’s a collective work of many scholars. Now I’ve been in the unique situation of having assembled this research for 35 years, having published it in several languages and republished it over and over again! I also was in charge for many years of the periodicals that were publishing papers on it.

 

So I have it all on my hard drive, kind of in my head. If not I, who else could do it? And I’ve worked with one additional scholar, a Professor of the humanities who helped me. I had some experience in contributing to scholarly works like that, encyclopedias. It’s not something you do every day. I’m most certainly not writing one cover to cover.

 

But I know that having, say, 200 scholars contributing—each several, or one contribution, one entry—to an encyclopedia is actually a much bigger challenge to get because it’s not economically viable. You don’t make money with this. It’s an honor for a scholar to be listed as a contributor to an encyclopedia because then he’s the top of the field in this particular entry that he is writing about, and to get people actually to do it.

 

And then you have a problem of synchronizing things because there’s overlap between entries and cross-referencing. And if you have everyone writing their own style, writing their own opinion, they sometimes don’t even agree on things. It’s a nightmare to co-ordinate that and to get that actually to go together—to have, first of all, everyone submitting their stuff, and then coordinating, synchronizing, streamlining it. And then the ego gets in the way where nobody wants to budge and they have different points of view. It can be a nightmare!

 

 

Now if you have just one guy writing it with one supporting it was actually a much faster job. But I required these 35 years of background in the entire field. And having published—covered—the entire field. HolocaustEncyclopedia.com is freely accessible for everyone. We update it, we expand it as it is needed. You can also get hard copies there in various languages. By now we have it in German, French and Spanish on top of it. And I’m currently working—and that’s what you interrupted me with, …

 

Kenny Ko: Sorry about that!

 

Germar Rudolf: Arabic translation. No, I appreciate that because I want to get the message out. The work is there. It is completely silenced and swept under the carpet by the mainstream. Any work on the Holocaust over the past, 20 years that does not at least consider the work we have done cannot be called scholarly! Scholarly means even if you disagree with a scholar, if it’s a considerable work—and 54 volumes is a considerable amount of work—then you have to at least say:

 

“Well, this work is there and I disagree with this for this and this reason.”

 

And that’s it! If you completely ignore it and you pretend it doesn’t even exist, that means you’re a dogmatist, you’re not a scholar anymore. And that’s the situation we have in the field of Holocaust studies—have had now for the past, 20 years plus. But this is only the scholarly issue; we’re talking about suppression. I frame it in a certain way to make clear what’s going on. History at gunpoint! Writing of history at gunpoint! That’s what we have in the Western world—have had ever since. The first country to introduce a law that basically puts historians under the threat of imprisonment was Israel. Surprise! In ’85 or ’86.

 

Kenny Ko: I wonder why that is!

 

[32:53]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, so that was coming up with the John Demjanjuk show trial that started shortly after, to make sure that nobody gets any funny ideas of challenging the show trial they were about to pull off. So in that context that has to be seen.

 

And then the next one was France. And by now we are up to 28 countries who formally have declared it illegal. But there are many more if you look at those who informally prosecute it. Most of the Arab countries actually throw people in prison if they dissent publicly, not because they want to, but because they are basically in the pockets of the United States and the Europeans. They are all bankrupt states, most of them, except for the really oil-rich countries. When we’re talking about Jordan and Egypt, the two examples that come to my mind, or even Lebanon—they’re in debt and they get bailed out financially by Europe and by the United States over and over again! So they are basically corrupted. They should have an interest in free discussion of the topic because it impacts their region massively these days. But they suppress it too. In South America, there are a number of countries which suppress it.

 

So it has come to the point that over the years many mainstream historians have gotten in touch with me—privately, of course, and some of them anonymously. They just create a Gmail account and get in touch and don’t tell who they are, but by the amount of assistance they have provided—giving us archival material that we don’t have access to because many archives now are closed to us. You have to identify yourself before you can get in. And we can’t do that; we’d get arrested. More and more archival material is being put online. So that will hopefully— we’ll see it.

 

Anyway, these historians give us massive amounts of information from archives that we can’t access, and therefore we know they know what they’re doing. They are professionals.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: And I hear from them the fact that they work from behind this kind of a firewall to prevent any leak who they are and that they’re helping.

 

But also of those who actually have contacted me, I had one of Germany’s most prolific historians, Professor Werner Maser—may not mean much to you, but he has written on modern German history and the World War II era. Many books, many of them were translated in many languages. So he was one of the leading scholars in the field from a German point of view. One of these days he called me! When I was in the United States shortly before my deportation, complaining to me about the dictator-style conditions in Germany and that historians are constantly afraid and can’t write anymore what they want to do.

 

And I had a number of these encounters with half a dozen mainstream historians. These are the ones who stick their neck out and risk getting in touch with me. You can figure out how many more there are who will not say anything and just toe the party line quietly or stay out of this area entirely. One of the leading Polish historians on the Auschwitz matter, Wacław Długoborski [sp], who was an Auschwitz inmate himself—he became the curator of the history department of the Auschwitz Museum after the war for many decades—said in 1998 in an interview why Polish historians from the Auschwitz Museum for decades until the collapse of the Soviet Union had spread false, exaggerated victim numbers even though they admit that they knew better:

 

“Why did you lie?”

 

He said:

 

“Well, we were put under pressure in the Eastern Bloc. We would have faced disciplinary measures had we not toed the party line.”

 

That was 1998, that he had this interview. And that was the same year Poland introduced a law making it up to three years imprisonment to challenge the current narrative. So back in the communist days they were facing disciplinary measures—which is on a professional level, administrative stuff, like you get demoted, you get removed from that position and then have to go somewhere else or whatever. But not criminal proceedings! Now we have criminal proceedings. Poland is finally Democratic—and democracy, as you know, is when two wolves and a lamb decide what’s for dinner!

 

So that’s the situation when it comes to this topic—democracy and dictatorship are not mutually exclusive concepts. If you’re a democracy, the majority decides to dictate to the minority what they can think and say. That’s a Democratic dictatorship! And that’s what we have in these 28 countries.

 

Kenny Ko: Thank you—Canada included! [clapping] By the way, a lot of people don’t understand democracy or how it operates.

 

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Germar Rudolf: Yeah, if it’s not guardrailed strictly by inalienable civil rights and the right of self-determination—I throw in there for the sake of being complete—then democracy is a lynch mob! That’s just a nice way of saying lynch mob. So in a democracy, a majority should never be allowed to take away essential civil rights—human rights—from minorities, no matter what. But that’s what you see here. So be that as it may—got a little bit sidetracked with this here! Yeah, so Długoborski says:

 

“We acted under coercion. That’s why we lied!”

 

At a time when the Polish government jacked up the coercion that they are threatening.

 

So if they lied before, and they agreed and admitted that they have lied because of coercion, and the coercion has increased—now it’s even worse! Why would you believe them now, the story they tell now? Historians the world over when it comes to this topic all act under coercion! Usually only those people get into the field on the mainstream who are ideologically charged. You see a hyper over-representation of jews in that field—no surprise. And you see people with left-leaning ideologies. So Antifa kind of attitudes—no surprise there too. A lot of the quote, unquote, “evidence” that we have for the mainstream Holocaust narrative was produced, skewed and faked and forged and fabricated by communist Eastern Europe.

 

When you look at the six camps where mass extermination is said to have happened—that’s Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor and Treblinka—and the Einsatzgruppen mass murders, gas vans, mass murders etc., that are said to have happened behind the Soviet front. All this is on former Soviet territories. So for 40 years it was behind the Iron Curtain. And the evidence that was presented in the Nuremberg trials and in many trials thereafter was produced in those countries in those years.

 

Can you believe them? I wouldn’t take anything at face value that comes from these countries! Does everything have to be a lie? No, of course not. We have to discern critically, with tools of source criticizm, to figure out what is true and what is not. Forensics. There are a lot of tools that historians have— forensic historians in particular. And in the encyclopedia, with all these crime locations, claimed crime locations, they have entries in there and they go through what the documents say, what the forensic research—if any was done—says, and what forensic research should be done to clarify any issues that we still have a lot of the fields have never been researched in a way that they should have.

 

You probably have heard of the mass murders at Katyn and Vinnytsa. So the Soviets and the Germans divided up Poland in 1939. And the Soviets arrested some 20,000 people of the upper society of Poland that came under their control. And after a year of detention they executed them—or not even a year—in various mass graves. The Germans in ’43 found two of them and made a big fuss about it. But they did not do the forensic examination of these graves all by themselves. They actually invited experts from all over the world, from neutral countries and even from countries they had occupied, and let them do the research or at least partake in that research.

 

And that is the way you should do it. The Soviets after the war—already during the war—did nothing like that! They had a commission that was actually re-examining the Katyn mass graves and blamed it on the Germans with an expert report—complete fake! And the same commission, with the same people, discovered more and more mass graves of German atrocities all over Soviet Russia and claimed outrageous numbers of people killed. On the face of it, obvious exaggerations.

 

What should have been done is somebody go in there and do the actual Katyn, German-style, independent, international forensic examinations. For instance, it happened in Cambodia—massive atrocities, auto-genocide if you wish. They called it a politicide. The intention was not to wipe off an ethnic group—that was not the intention of the Khmer Rouge. The intention was political ideology of an extreme degree. Mass graves of up to 2 million people. So up to one third of the Cambodian population was murdered there. And they had intensive forensic efforts to exhume those mass graves and to count the victims—an absolutely atrocious job when we’re talking about well north of 1 million human beings that were eventually found. Similar thing you had with the Kosovo mass murders that are said to have happened in the Kosovo War, 1999 and thereafter.

 

So this is the way it should be done. It’s never been done in the context of what we are looking at here. And the longer it takes to do it, the less likely it is that things can be clarified. Who are these victims? Who has killed them? It gets more and more problematic because Soviet territory is drenched in blood. We’re talking about 1 to 2 million jews presumably killed by German execution squads in this area. We’re talking an area that has seen the Holodomor, that has seen wars with millions of victims and mass graves of war casualties and prisoners of war, the mass executions that the NKVD, the Cheka, has done in the early years—particularly of the Bolshevik Revolution and the reign of Lenin and Stalin. It’s all in those soils there.

 

So wherever you dig, you’ll find bones. We’re talking north of 10 million, potentially, that are not jews murdered by Germans. Who talks about them? There’s a single focus only on that! But the Soviet Union never had an interest in clarifying any of it. They didn’t want anyone to dig in their soil because what you would find most likely is victims of Lenin and Stalin and so forth, rather than jewish victims of German units. And after the collapse of the Soviet Union, nothing changed really. There were a few attempts of Western scholars to excavate mass graves in Ukraine, which has a more neutral stance now since it’s independent. They have an interest in documenting Soviet atrocities—any kind of atrocities.

 

However, those research efforts into claimed German massacres of jewish civilians were again not done forensically. They were done with the background of public attention and commemoration culture. Locate a mass grave—don’t disturb it. It’s kind of the pressure from jewish groups. A jewish grave is not supposed to be disturbed. That’s against certain interpretations of jewish law. That doesn’t hold up in other crime cases.

 

But in that case they are adamant. Don’t rock the boat—meaning don’t investigate who these people are and how many there are and how they died. Just find the mass grave and put a memorial on top of it, and that’s the end of it. And so that’s kind of what happened, which is unfortunate.

 

Massacres did happen. There’s plenty of documentation and some good forensic evidence in a few cases where this can be found, and anything else would be a surprise. As I just mentioned, the Bolshevik Revolution, the predominance of people with jewish background in the early leadership of the Soviet Union and the early leading figures of the Cheka and the NKVD is well documented.

 

Kenny Ko: Also in America why do you think there’s such a heavy focus on the Holocaust and not the Holodomor, or the Bolshevik Revolution? Like why is it such a matter of the emphasis on one?

 

[44:43]

 

Germar Rudolf: Two reasons. First of all, you have of course mightily influential pressure groups. As you know, the Cambodians have a massive pressure group that can impose a memory/commemoration culture of the Cambodian genocide in this country? No, they don’t! The Ukrainians have somewhat of an immigrant group. They don’t have political clout.

 

Jews most certainly in this country have a lot of political clout, to put it mildly. And that’s the entry to imposing that kind of commemorative culture upon a host nation that has originally nothing to do with it. The United States has neither contributed nor assisted, nor was it in any way the victim of anything that concerns the Holocaust.

 

So why is it here?

 

Kenny Ko: And also why is there Holocaust museums in the United States?

 

Germar Rudolf: The other issue is, of course, you need to have a justification for the suffering of the sick. This has been portrayed in general as the “Good War”. The painting of a black-and-white image of absolute evil against absolute good. The Democratic countries fighting absolute evil in the shape of Adolf Hitler and his cronies. This is a narrative that finds its ultimate confirmation in the Holocaust. Even though the Second World War—when it broke out—there was no Holocaust going on. When it was escalating in 1940, there was still no Holocaust going on. When it was then completely getting off the rails with the invasion of the USSR, there was still no Holocaust going on! It is supposed to have started then, within the first half-year or first year of the war against the Soviet Union, step by step on various levels.

 

So the Second World War in itself—its initiation and its expansion and becoming global—had nothing to do with the Holocaust at all!

 

But it’s a convenient tool for people to say:

 

“Yeah, we fought absolute evil!”

 

In hindsight more than back then. And my reaction to that usually is, I’m not defending a dictatorship that tramples human rights into the dust. And that was National Socialist Germany. As I just mentioned a Catholic priest was sent for a few months to a concentration camp in the Third Reich for speaking out against oppressive policies.

 

Had I been alive and kicking in those years with my attitude to stand up against injustice, I may have ended up in a concentration camp as well. I don’t want to have a government of the Third Reich style when it comes to their disregard for the rule of law and for human rights.

 

But on the other hand, any government that allies itself with Stalin cannot claim to fight a good war! The Second World War breaks out in 1939 by Stalin and Hitler both dividing up Poland. So they are both evil at that point and have started the whole mess.

 

Hitler at that point, when you look at the Third Reich death toll of civilians who had become a victim of the regime, you can amount it to roughly a thousand people—people dying in concentration camps, not too many, but already some dying there who probably wouldn’t have died otherwise. You have the November of ’38 pogrom against jews where roughly 100 jews died. And you had the internal strife of the Röhm Putsch in ’34 where several dozen people were killed.

 

So we’re talking about a thousand people roughly that were victims of that regime. Not necessarily murder all of them, but some of them most definitely, or just gross negligence and so forth.

 

At the same time you have the Stalinist regime, which at that point—we can discuss whether it was 5 million, 10 million or 20 million by the time the Second World War broke out—but we are talking about four or five orders of magnitude more victims on the account of Stalin than Hitler!

 

So why would you pick the side of Stalin? I’m not saying you should have picked the side of Hitler. You should have stayed out of it altogether! If you have an interest—you consider both evil, okay? Make sure that they are well balanced and they start fighting each other and grind each other down and destroy each other. And at the end that both of them are kaput! That would have been a good strategy. Then you wouldn’t have to deal with the mess that we had for the entire Cold War.

 

And now with the conflict with Ukraine and all the rest of it—if Russia had been just as exhausted as Germany would have been and then brought to the point where it collapses internally and becomes reasonable; or Germany collapsed and became reasonable to some degree.

 

So anyway, with all this said, during the 1920s in Europe, German jewish organizations were ringing the alarm bell. In the ’20s, Germany itself was kind of unstable. There were a lot of attempts by Left-wing radical groups and communists to destabilize the country and have a revolution of the Soviet style. While at the same time in Europe they were observing very closely—and particularly in Germany—what was going on in the Soviet Union with the massacres happening, the Holodomor being one, but in general, the absolute atrocities on an order of magnitude that was unimaginable in the history of mankind. And seeing in the early 1920s that a lot of it is done by people with a predominantly jewish background. And people were seeing that. So jewish groups in Germany were saying:

 

“Well, this is bad—what’s going on there. The massacres in the millions—and it’s going to get blamed on jews! So the revolution that Trotsky and the Bronsteins are implementing now is going to end up with a backlash of massive retaliation. And during that coming Holocaust, the Goldsteins and the Goldbergs are going to suffer.”

 

So that was a prediction, I think in 1925 or something, by a German jewish organization. And it was kind of a prophecy. Eventual collision between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was a counter-revolutionary war against the initially predominantly jewish-Bolshevik Revolution. Now, by the time Stalin was in power and the Second World War broke out, Stalin had kind of cleansed his own ranks from predominantly jewish people.

 

When you look at the internally recorded ethnic consistency of the NKVD back then, you see that from ’34,’35 onward, the percentage in the higher echelons of that organization went down when it comes to jews—from 40% that they were at that time down to only, I think, 4% within a few years. You see an anti-Jewish cleansing of the entire political apparatus that Stalin put in place.

 

[Image: the mostly jewish CHEKA secret police]

 

Now of course Germany—Third Reich Germany—didn’t know that; it’s something that came out later. But in the view of Third Reich Germany, that was the embodiment of evil—looking at the millions of people massacred, impersonated by people with jewish background on purpose. Because these people were, in the classic sense, not jews anymore in a religious sense, but they had that background. So massacres were inevitable. They started already when the German army went into Russia. The Soviets, were retreating massively! And they— the local population, particularly in Ukraine—had suffered so much. They were the main battlefield of the Bolshevik Revolution.

See: The Other Holocaust — the Terror Famine in Ukraine

 

And then you had the Holodomor—the attempt of the Russians to break Ukrainian will of independence. What’s going on right now was nothing new. They have been through that for the past hundred years. They’ve been through it repeatedly. So the poor Ukrainians, they get it over and over and over again in history.

 

So by that time the Germans move in, the Ukrainians take matters in their own hands. They have massive pogroms directed against officials and against anything jewish. I know from personal account of Otto Strema [sp]. He used to be a major general in the Third Reich and he went into Russia in 1941 himself—that he stopped pogroms. So certain German units were turning a blind eye to it. Some units were encouraging it, others were stopping it, depending on the mood of the command or whatever was going on. But it was going on. And then Ukrainians collaborated in a large degree with whatever suppression and possibly massacres happened afterwards.

 

That was the backlash of 20 years of Bolshevik massacres that killed north of 10 million, mostly Christians, in Russia! If you see that in the context of the greater historical picture, it’s not a justification. As I mentioned initially, two wrongs don’t make a right. That goes on so many levels.

 

So whatever wrong the Bolsheviks had done is no justification for massacring every jew in sight. And many jews who lived in Russia had nothing to do with the Bolshevik massacres. But it makes things understandable.

 

And ultimately, why do we do history? Because we want to understand, we want to learn the Right, the correct lesson. And if you don’t get the story straight, you’re not going to learn the correct lesson. It’s an ever-escalating sequence of massacres, one justified by the other. And we need to see that, see that we all have blood on our hands when it comes to identifiable groups. That’s one with me. We—I don’t mean individually—but Germans have done bad things. Americans—the carpet bombing and throwing nuclear bombs on Japan—there were war crimes, there were atrocities, there were massacres. So destroying basically all of Central Europe and all of Japan.

 

So you need to understand that we need to find a way out of the circle of violence, to learn the correct lesson here. And it is sure not the correct lesson to learn from the Holocaust to teach jews now, already from the cradle—I’m exaggerating, but I think in 2014 they introduced a law in Israel that Holocaust education is now ready to start in elementary school. Elementary school kids in every country in the world— to any, not just elementary—but it is illegal to expose any children to chainsaw massacres and other fiction horror movies for good reason. It should be just as illegal to expose them to gas chamber massacre movies like Schindler’s List or whatever, which is shown to them at an age when they’re heavily impressionable.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: Because it is even more traumatizing if you show them a chainsaw massacre:

 

“Oh, that’s just fiction, it’s just made up!”

 

But it’s bad enough. And I have an adopted son who has been exposed to that prior to his placement—his biological parents had shown him these things. And I know what effect it can have. It should be illegal.

 

And if you tell them:

 

“Oh, this really happened—something like that—and it can happen again and it can happen to you, and the same people who did that are still around and they’re in your back. Yesteryear there were the Germans. Yesteryear there were the Ukrainians; right now they are the Palestinians in Gaza or the Persians in Iran!”

 

And that justifies then the next massacre. So if teaching about historical massacres is used to justify or gloss over the next massacre, we learn the completely wrong lesson! And that’s what this country, with its support of whatever Israel does! And in particular, jews and Israel, Zionists in the vast majority have been learning because of what we experienced, presumably because it was so unprecedented:

 

“It was without logic, without rhyme and reason, without any historical nexus whatsoever! We have to be aware it can happen anytime and therefore pre-emptively we need to lash out at someone as soon as someone looks askance—under every rock a goy can hide who may want to stuff you into the gas chamber—be aware of it jew! So if anyone ever makes the wrong move, kill them pre-emptively!”

 

“Rise and Kill” is actually a book that was written in this context. And that’s what we see in Gaza. And that’s what we hopefully will not see now in South Lebanon. Detraumatizing jews, but also detraumatizing Germans. They have had a similar lesson to learn that leads them to genocide-suicidal tendencies of wanting to give up because they are so evil, historically speaking, that the best they can do is just disappear. So with broken self-confidence they need detraumatizing, but jews need detraumatizing. If you have a heavy trauma as an individual—and the same applies for ethnic or religious communities, whichever way you want to frame it—you need to understand where the trauma is coming from. But then you need to prevent yourself from being constantly exposed to the same triggers. Overcoming trauma—and I had my own trauma: If you’re torn from your family twice and your family’s been destroyed twice and you’re thrown into prison for scientific research you have done—it is traumatizing.

 

And sometimes when people ask me, tell me a little bit more about the story, sometimes I say no. The jewish attitude of “always remember”, and I translate that as “wallowing in your own suffering of the past as an ethnic group” is exactly the wrong way. You can’t overcome trauma if you wallow in it all the time. You need to move forward. The rock climbers say, don’t look backward.

 

And I couldn’t lead a normal life. You know, I know the US authorities—there are strong groups in this country who want to have me deported again, frame me again, or even in this administration, they just arrest anyone they don’t like and deport them even if they have green cards. They have tried that—they could come after me. So I’m constantly in an ejector seat and I have lived that way over the past 35 years and I can’t be constantly reminded of that. I’m trying to have some normalcy. If you’re in this situation, normalcy is what keeps you sane.

 

And if you constantly wallow in it just destroys you! And turns you into a psychopath or at least a sociopath. And that’s what we see with the approval ratings among average Israelis about what’s going on in Gaza.

 

In fact, fully aware that massacres happen on the magnitude that they are happening, that genocide is being committed on the scale as it is described in the Book of Joshua, of the conquest of the Holy Land, where God has ordered the jews to kill everyone in the Holy Land and take the land. That’s kind of what they are reenacting and get the consent of the majority!

 

What kind of mental conditioning must these people have gone through to get to the point to have no empathy whatsoever and to have these attitudes? And the answer to this is Holocaust indoctrination from childhood!

 

Kenny Ko: That’s a great point!

 

[58:36]

 

 

Germar Rudolf: So it needs to stop. And it is, I think, good news for jews to realize the nightmare they’re living under that turns them into these sociopath/psychopaths almost as a nation or as an ethnic or religious group—whichever way you want to frame it. The nightmare of this uniqueness, the icon of which is the gas chamber, is a nightmare! You need to wake up! Yeah, jews were targeted during the Second World War. And it has a historical reason—it was not justified, but there is reason behind it, but not to the extent and with the means that you think there’s one picture that I show sometimes to people of a group of jews from Israel that have been taken on a tour to Poland—because tours, traumatizing tours of jews into former German concentration camps or the former so-called “extermination camps” on Polish territory are organized regularly. They go there to, … It fulfills the same role as in the past the rabbis had with ghetto jews in shtetel * in Eastern Europe—to make them afraid of the Gentiles outside the ghetto, so that they would stay in the ghetto and would stay together as a herd. And these kinds of traumatization serve the same purpose.

 

[* Shtetl or shtetel is a Yiddish term for small towns with predominantly Ashkenazi Jewish populations which existed in Eastern Europe before the Holocaust. The term is used in the context of pre-Second World War European Jewish societies as communities within the surrounding non-Jewish populace, and thus bears certain connotations of discrimination. Shtetls were mainly found in the areas that constituted the 19th-century Pale of Settlement in the Russian Empire, as well as in Congress Poland, Austrian Galicia and Bukovina, the Kingdom of Romania and the Kingdom of Hungary-Source: Wikipedia]

 

And beyond that, leads to these sociopathic tendencies. They go into a gas chamber at the Majdanek camp, or what is depicted to them as a gas chamber—was until several years ago. And they reenact a gassing scene. How traumatizing that must be for young people after all the indoctrination they had already! Now it turns out the Majdanek Museum later says:

 

“Oh, okay, we lied. That wasn’t a gas chamber. That was one of these things that we had to drop.”

 

In 2005 they made that major revision. Over the years dropped the claimed death toll from 2 million down to only 78,000—not even 4%—and scrapped seven of the originally claimed homicidal gas chambers.

 

So a lot of the enactment that jews had done was completely done in places that were fumigation chambers—closed disinfestation chambers—no homicidal gas chambers at all!

 

Now we skeptics knew that a long time ago and published that. It’s good news—it didn’t happen! And the two remaining gas chambers that they claim—it didn’t happen either. Yeah, massacres happened; happened all over the war. The jews weren’t the only victims. If they get themselves into the line of massacres and genocides that have happened during and after the Second World War—get down from your attitude of being unique! Unique victims feel uniquely entitled not only for recognition, but also for blank checks, …

 

Kenny Ko: For reparations.

 

Germar Rudolf: For lashing out, for repression, for pre-emptive lashing out against whoever is in their way. And this is bad! They need to stop! And the way of doing it is realizing the story has been blown out of proportion and is used to traumatize you need to downgrade it to the real size, which is still bad enough, but not extraordinary. And it just is one link in the chain of human atrocities and catastrophes that have happened. The good news, …

 

Kenny Ko: Based on your findings of doing the forensic research, for instance at Auschwitz, and of course I know I’ve looked into the Treblinka forensic studies of ’99 from Australian researchers—do you believe that gas chambers were actually used to exterminate the jews in any regard?

 

[1:01:49]

 

 

Germar Rudolf: No! Gas chambers, … I have actually written a book that you can find as an ebook on HolocaustHandbooks.com. It’s titled Nazi Gas Chambers: The Roots of the Story. After doing 35 years of research on several levels and writing the Encyclopedia, finally when I wrote it, I had to get an overview and had to connect all the pieces and interconnect everything so that it all fits together. And I started to connect dots that I hadn’t seen before and started to realize who has created that story. After the war primarily jewish witnesses—or witnesses with jewish background, I should say—testified and attested to the existence and use of homicidal gas chambers. Which is no surprise because they were the primary targets for persecution of the National Socialist regime and therefore would of course make up the main body of the witnesses.

 

However, if you look at the claims they made, they were completely disorganized, contradictory. You can say it’s a testimonial chaos and anarchy! Nothing made sense, nothing was disallowed. Whatever claim you can come up with, you find testimonies. This story was streamlined during the postwar years, 1945, 1946, 1947. And I document in that book what the original chaotic claims were—made no sense whatsoever! You could find the absolute most ridiculous claims about anything! And how then step by step, by whom and for what reasons and with which methods the narrative was created.

 

Basically created out of whole cloth, invented out of thin air! And the actors, as I mentioned before—primarily they were actors of the Soviet communist bloc. All these six camps were in Poland.

 

So we’re talking about just four Polish individuals who streamlined. They were—three of them—investigative judges who were interrogating all these witnesses, faced complete chaos:

 

“What are we going to do?”

 

And eventually they agreed on one method, threw everything else out—or in one case actually threw out all the witnesses because none of them made sense—and replaced it with something they copied over from a different camp. So it’s all neatly documented there. It was an operation that was done under the auspices of the Soviet Union—of the Stalinist regime—and the new Stalinist authorities that had been imposed upon Poland after the war, and with the help of, just as I mentioned, fleeing Polish scholars—one historian and three investigative judges. So, no! We know from one particular case that is so elucidating that logic tells you it can’t be anything to it.

 

And I’ll give you a quick rundown of that. Josef Kramer was an SS officer who ran, in the earlier war years, a concentration camp in Alsace-Lorraine. And then later he was transferred over to Auschwitz, ran a camp there for part of the camp for a time, and at the end of the war ended up in Bergen-Belsen, which is an infamous camp too because of the typhus epidemic that caused tens of thousands of victims there, as the British found and filmed the mountains of dead inmates.

 

 

[Image: British army bulldozer at Bergen Belsen being used to move bodies]

 

Now he was put on trial there and he was made—after torture, we have actually accounts of how he was tortured—he claimed that in Natzweiler, in the camp in Alsace-Lorraine, he rigged a little room and did a test gassing. And the way he describes it is absolutely ridiculous from a technical and toxicological point of view. Makes no sense!

 

However, that is supposed to have happened at a time when massive gassing operations are said to have been ongoing in the Third Reich already for years. So had it happened, Kramer, who had experience in various camps, would have known how to do it! But they have him testify to something completely ludicrous that makes no sense at all!

 

Kenny Ko: So you think that was through means of torture, …

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes!

 

Kenny Ko: And essentially getting him to confess to something that was never done?

 

[1:05:31]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, exactly! Now we have proof that it was never done because he was made to testify that this gassing happened with a number of Auschwitz inmates that had been transferred to it in 1943, I think, to that camp in order for their skeletons to be used in a skeleton collection at the Strasbourg University—rather macabre claim. At the Strasbourg Anatomical Institute they found corpse parts with tattooed numbers and they figured these are some of the victims that were transferred from Auschwitz. So there seems to be some truth to it. We don’t know what exactly!

 

But then they made forensic investigations of those inmates. Did they die of the poison that Kramer said he used? That investigation— forensic investigation by a French scholar—conducted in 1946, as I’m not mistaken, disappeared in archives for many years, and only in 2018, I think, was it finally released by the French authorities, and the result is negative. No, it didn’t happen!

 

Of course they’re dead. They died somehow, but not with gassing with hydrogen cyanide.

 

So the whole thing is clear to have been made up. And on the face of the absurd claims of how it’s supposed to have happened—which is technically impossible—it was clear that it can’t have happened. But had Kramer had any idea of post-application in Auschwitz and wherever else he was of such massacres, he would have known what to say and so would the French have. So it’s clear the whole story is made up.

 

Also it’s one of, I would say, the only clear-cut cases where we know from forensic testing of the actual claimed victims—no, it didn’t happen. They have been executed, but not that way. No gas chambers! That doesn’t mean that people didn’t die. I just mentioned in Auschwitz we have documented cases of 135, 500 people dying. Most of them of disease. Typhus epidemic was raging in that camp for one and a half years—and they had dysentery, other issues.

 

And so the biggest death toll of any recorded, documented case in Third Reich German history— all the other camps did not come close to that in itself is a humanitarian disaster! Putting people who are snatched from their homes without due process, without anything, and putting them in camps and exposing them to conditions where they have to die like flies may not be outright murder, but it is manslaughter with gross negligence at least—and 135, 500 cases in that camp alone. And that’s something that Third Reich leadership, …

 

Kenny Ko: Do you believe the amount of deaths was due to the Allied powers cutting off supply routes and whatnot into Germany?

 

Germar Rudolf: In some of the Western camps at the end of the war, ye! When we’re talking about Bergen-Belsen and the amount of corpses there, that was due to force majeure, if you wanted. But still, somebody put these people in the camps. Unless they were hardened criminals or some people who justly were in there—POWs would have been in a war; that’s legal to put POWs in camps—and they would have succumbed to the same circumstances. And some of them did. But if you take civilians—Jewish or otherwise—without due process* and just deport them and put them in these camps, you can’t evade responsibility.

 

[* This is a weak argument as the jews were considered a security threat to the war effort, just as Japanese were put in camps in the USA, Germans and Italians in Australia, etc.]

 

When it comes to Auschwitz, no—the typhus epidemic there broke out in 1942 and got under control only in late 1943. So there were no mass bombing raids disrupting supply lines in the eastern part of Europe at that time, at all! What we do have there, however—we have evidence of the Polish underground spreading typhus germs, typhus-infectious lice, in hundreds of cases on purpose! So it stands to reason that they had some impact, were quote, unquote, “successful” with this kind of underground biological warfare, and made sure that German attempts at wiping out the disease in order to have camp inmates fit for labor and work for their war efforts would be undermined in one way or another. Now that’s war. You can look at it which way you want; the Polish underground killed mainly their own compatriots with that, because they were mostly the inmates in those camps.

 

I mean, there were other East Europeans. But anyway, people who were just as oppressed and occupied as the Poles were. And so it should undermine some part of the German war effort. Whether that’s morally justifiable—this is a different issue.

 

But again, it was the Germans who deported jews by the millions without due process just because they belong to a group—and that this shouldn’t be acceptable.

 

Kenny Ko: Another question I did have for you is—because of the non-gassing of jews and them fabricating the story—why do you think they would have chosen that means if it would have been so hard to prove, of course, through forensic studies and people could have come years later to see that the story was untrue? Why did they choose the route of gassing essentially? Or what do you think your opinion on that would be?

 

[1:10:19]

Germar Rudolf: Again, it is kind of laid out in my book Nazi Gas Chambers. If you look at the Nuremberg Trials, when the story hadn’t coalesced yet, they were claiming for Treblinka steam chambers; they were claiming for Belzec electrocution; Sobibor hadn’t settled yet—they were claiming there mainly chlorine as gas. Auschwitz had Zyklon B. So as I just mentioned, chaotic testimonies about what happened there at the Nuremberg Trial hadn’t settled in yet. It’s completely contradictory that we then eventually agreed—or the Polish scholars agreed—on engine exhaust gas in some of the camps and Zyklon B in Auschwitz. It’s a long story. It starts already in the First World War. I would say. The absolute horror of gas warfare is what people were most afraid of in the interwar period—that if another war breaks out, this is going to erupt again and it’s going to get much nastier than during the First World War.

 

 

So the first stories we have coming out of Auschwitz are actually claims by the underground that the Germans are testing war gases on Russian POWs. It was completely made up, but that was how things started—on that level—and developed from there. Zyklon B was of course used in camps because it’s an insecticide to fight lice. As we just mentioned, epidemics broke out—always break out in war. It’s almost inevitable. In many, many wars in the history of mankind, epidemics have caused more victims, particularly in the civilian population, than the war itself. And to some degree that’s true for World War II. Zyklon B is a convenient item that can— even though originally it’s a benign thing to preserve the life of the inmates by fighting epidemics— be twisted around and be seen as evidence for evil things if it has been used for homicide. You see that on various levels, that things that have the ability for dual interpretation—both benign as well as evil—have been used by the Allies. There is evidence that there was Zyklon B. Therefore they twist the story and say:

 

“You used it for homicide! Because there was so much sold and shipped to Auschwitz. You can’t explain that possibly with disinfestation—you must have committed mass murder!”

 

That’s actually the reasoning that was done by the Allies.

 

When you look at the actual record—Auschwitz being such a huge camp, the hundreds of thousands of inmates that were led through that camp, the huge size of it and the epidemic lice problems they had—it perfectly justified the amount of Zyklon B they received. As a matter of fact, they didn’t have enough to combat the epidemics, evidently. But it gives the opportunity for propagandists then to twist it into something that it was not.

 

And the same with the fact that there were crematoria. Crematoria are also a thing that can fire up the imagination of people. Back then, cremation wasn’t quite as common as it is now. And funerals by fire had been illegal in most European countries—in Christian countries, I should say—because of opposition from the Catholic Church and also a lot of Protestant churches, to the effect that it was just illegal by state law. And that was rescinded only starting in the early 20th century, step by step.

 

And by the time the Second World War was on, it was still not a widespread method, particularly in Eastern Europe. The imagination that people get burned, whether they’re dead or not, is just a horrifying imagination. A lot of people still—they want to be interred, they don’t want to be cremated—because the feeling is, my body is getting burned. It doesn’t sound right.

 

So that’s a convenient way for black propaganda to latch onto their fear and turn the hygienic way of disposing of the victims of mass epidemics and mass casualties into something evil that looks like mass murder. “Gas ovens”—the combination of the two—which is a term that shouldn’t exist because the oven, the furnace, and the gas for killing are two separate things.

 

But it’s this imagination, the merging of these two horrific things, that gives black propaganda a perfect opportunity—proving that many of these German camps had crematoria, and therefore mass murder must have been committed there. And this is just fallacious reasoning, but it was an opportunity that the victorious powers seized and they had the total power to ram this narrative down the throat of the general public. And they succeeded with it.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

And another opinion I wanted of yours is, of course, Treblinka, which I think is one of the more interesting ones due to the revisions and everything that were done once the forensic studies and stuff started to happen. I just wanted your overall input on Treblinka as well.

 

[1:15:00]

 

Germar Rudolf: Treblinka is one of the three camps—in the more narrow sense—said to have been pure extermination camps, close to the demarcation line that separated the German-occupied area of Poland from what the Soviet Union gobbled up after the division in ’39 and which used to be Soviet up to 1921. Poland had just gained them— border stations, if you wish.

 

The revisionist take is that they were transit camps for jews who were sent east. Now the mainstream said they were pure extermination camps. Jews were sent there just to be killed in gas chambers. And as I just mentioned, the initial story for Treblinka was actually steam. That was the predominant claim. How murder was, …

 

Kenny Ko: I thought it was diesel—or was it steam?

 

Germar Rudolf: Diesel is the narrative that became predominant starting in ’46,’47. Back during the war it was steam. There’s an official government report of the Polish government in exile from 15th of November 1942 that explicitly says it was steam. Very detailed, describing the camp and anything that’s going on—allegedly based on witness accounts. So it’s so detailed that it is either a fictitious story made up well, or it had a lot of witness claims to it. Be that as it may, steam was the thing. And the steam is also how it was entered at the International Military Tribunal there. Well, there’s a little bit of— they introduced two. One of them said steam and the other one said:

 

“Well, steam, vacuum, electrocution, gas, whatever.”

 

So as I mentioned, anything goes. The shift to engine exhaust gas happened after the war and it was kind of ongoing when the International Military Tribunal was unfolding. It didn’t find entrance really in the documentation there. But you find it, as I mentioned, in the interrogation protocols that were going on, particularly in Poland. And one key event was a German high-ranking official—high-ranking not by military grade, but by the importance in the context of what we’re talking about—that’s Kurt Gerstein. He has been an officer in charge of the SS Office for Hygienic Technologies and in particular there for disinfestation. He was the man who was overseeing the delivery of gas chambers and Zyklon B and other disinfestants to the various camps—gas chambers in terms of fumigation chambers.

 

So at the end of the war, when the gas chamber propaganda took off and Zyklon B appeared as a mass murder instrument at the Majdanek and Auschwitz camps—Majdanek already in July 1944; it was the first camp to be overrun by the Soviets— and then in January in Auschwitz as well—January ’45—Gerstein was sitting in his office in Berlin and knew that he’s toast! Because he is the one who was in charge of supplying all these camps with the technical means and the disinfestants and the Zyklon B to do whatever they have been doing. So he eventually flees from Berlin, surrenders in his hometown in southwest Germany to the French authorities, and writes a report where it says:

 

“Well, yes, I have been in charge of that Zyklon B. And I was actually ordered to drive to one of these camps—to Treblinka—to change the murder method from diesel engine exhaust to Zyklon B. And I didn’t do it because I convinced the guy that, keep your diesel, Zyklon B is no good. And he kind of destroyed it.”

 

Now why did he do that? He had to depict himself to the authorities as a secret resistor, who would actually destroy the Zyklon B and would make sure that the Zyklon B never reaches the camp—and his account is full of it—that he actually intercepted and made sure that it disappears and that it doesn’t get used and that it gets used for disinfestation at a different place after all.

 

So it was an attempt for him, because on the scale of evil of the Third Reich depicted by the mainstream, you have of course Adolf Hitler, Himmler and so forth. And then you have Adolf Eichmann who deployed all the people to the camp. You have Kurt Gerstein who supplied them with this poison gas and the technical means for applying the poison gas. And then you have the local camp commander. So Kurt Gerstein should have been right up there with Adolf Eichmann—and he knew it.

 

So he makes up this story:

 

“Oh, Zyklon B, I was resisting, I was making sure it doesn’t get there. And instead this stuff actually wasn’t happening with Zyklon B. It was diesel engines. So Zyklon B wasn’t even used. And I made sure the switch to Zyklon B didn’t happen!”

 

A big lie! Mainstream historians nowadays have completely discredited him. The testimonies he made are full of complete absurdities and insanities and historical lies!

 

What has been found out is that he actually embezzled, in today’s money, worth more than $100,000 of funding for Zyklon B purchases and had made a luxurious life during the war for himself. Had people go to Paris, get exotic food items and so forth. And he even stole a painting from a jewish estate that was found in his estate later. So he was corrupt, he was a thief, and he knew he’s on the chopping block and he made up this wild story.

 

Now this wild story he tells to the French authorities; the French authorities wrap it up, they interrogate him and they figure out that he’s probably lying because the stuff he’s saying makes no sense. But they convey this message:

 

“Oh, diesel exhaust is said to have happened. We have this high-ranking, top-notch Nazi official who tells us all about how this is supposed to have happened!”

 

And they communicate that to the Poles and in late 1945 send the whole set of documents to the Polish authorities. And that’s when you see the Polish authorities suddenly switching from electrocution, from steam, from vacuum and all the rest to diesel engine—or engine exhaust. And they throw out everything else and rewrite—1946,’47—the stories of Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec. They don’t even commit necessarily to diesel, but definitely engine exhaust. In decades thereafter, mainstream historians, when it comes to Belzec – and based on Gerstein – and Treblinka, they say then:

 

“Okay, it was diesel exhaust!”

 

Now diesel exhaust doesn’t have the toxicity needed to commit that kind of mass murder. Diesel engines run on a vast excess of oxygen and so oxygen comes out the tailpipe too, and very little carbon monoxide, which is the lethal part. Tests made with small mammals show that it takes many hours—under worst-case scenario conditions—to kill those little mammals. Humans are usually a little bit less susceptible to this kind of toxin, so it takes even longer. So we’re talking about many, many hours that it would have taken.

 

[1:21:24]

 

 

German engineers knew engines! If you look at who has invented all these engines, you find out the Germans were the center of engine invention. They knew the toxicology and they had even better methods at hand. They had the producer gas generators, because they were cut off from petroleum supplies during the war. Mainly they switched their truck fleet, their buses and even some tanks over to producer gas, which is basically: You take coal, coke or wood and restrict the oxygen supply and make it a little wet. Then it burns incompletely and the gas that comes out is very rich in carbon monoxide, which you then can funnel into the engine and use as fuel. They had hundreds of thousands of them. And the top-notch officials of the Third Reich—Hitler, Himmler, Heydrich—everyone was promoting it to get out from underneath the dependency on liquid petroleum products.

 

And German engineers knew about this technology. It is so rich in carbon monoxide, up to 30% and more, that it’s very quickly lethal. It was everywhere, mass-produced, deployed everywhere, particularly in the transport region. So jews were transported—probably some of them—in vehicles with this kind of producer gas technology. There’s no record anywhere that anyone was ever murdered with this. It was well known. Even this technology was used at times before the invention of Zyklon B to kill vermin! Insects are not susceptible to it. It works only for mammals, but to kill mice and rats. So, known that it is a good method to kill—never used.

 

So the Germans had that and then they are supposed to have settled for the worst possible solution—that doesn’t work: Diesel! No, didn’t happen. In the meantime, mainstream historians have shifted the goalposts again. First they were at steam, then they moved on to diesel. Now they figured out—after the research we’ve done and pointed it out for decades—diesel doesn’t work:

 

“Okay, it wasn’t diesel; it was gasoline engines!”

 

So how long does it take for people to stop believing these mainstream historians if they keep shifting the goalposts, here as well? So much about the technological background. The forensic investigations that were conducted over the years—the Soviets did one, and the Poles after the war,’45,’46. The Poles were doing some excavations but didn’t find the mass graves or leftovers of mass graves that witnesses claimed were there. Then we had a preliminary, somewhat superficial, ground-penetrating radar analysis by an Australian engineer back in 1999, and he’s never published his research because he got cold feet with this.

 

And then we had a British team of forensic archaeologists starting research in 2011—2011, 2012, if I’m not mistaken. And they had preliminary conclusions published in a series of BBC interviews and then in a documentary that they made about Treblinka. But the scientific publication of the actual research results has never been released to this day. And we suspect the reason for that is that they didn’t find what they’re supposed to have found.

 

The claim is that in Treblinka at least 700,000 victims were initially buried in mass graves. And you can roughly calculate what kind of earth volume you need to bury that many people. You can have a theoretical maximum of, say, 10 people per cubic meter.

 

But more realistically, if you’re looking at all the mass graves that have ever been disinterred—where victims of National Socialist massacres have been found, or even other circumstances like the Katyn massacre, like mass graves in Bergen-Belsen that the British dug at the end of the war, or mass graves in Hamburg from the Allied air raids—the 40,000 German civilians that died there were put to rest—so we know roughly what kind of a density these mass graves have. And you don’t get up to 10 per cubic meter; it’s lower than that.

 

But even if you were to do that, the amount of disturbed soil that the ground-penetrating radar research found by this British team doesn’t come anywhere close to what should have been found—certainly in the order of magnitude of 10 or 20% or so. I don’t remember exactly the number. But anyway—way too little! And we are talking about just indications of disturbed ground—that doesn’t mean there were mass graves. Because we know the Soviets did excavations in the area and they didn’t find any. No. So did the Poles—and they didn’t find anything. So they definitely disturbed the soil on a massive scale with these excavations they did. But these are not mass graves.

 

And then the civilian population in the area did wild diggings after the war because there was the rumor running around that the jews had left treasures behind. Whatever jewelry or money they were taking with them—some of it fell on the ground, was buried secretly, or whatever. So civilians were digging up the whole place. There’s actually a Polish report that describes the area kind of like a moonscape with craters. Evidently Soviet soldiers had joined in the frenzy of trying to discover jewish gold by using munitions they had and blowing some artillery shells or whatever to quickly, quote-unquote, “excavate” areas. So there were craters of ordnance that had exploded. Some of it has exposed a few bones here and there, but not to the degree that you would expect for a massacre of that size.

 

But anyway, all these disturbances of the soils—some of them may intersect with actual former mass graves, who knows? But some of them may not so we don’t really know from ground-penetrating radar what we are looking at. You would have to actually do a whole-scale excavation to figure out what is there.

 

Now, as I mentioned earlier, jewish authorities disagree with the disturbance of jewish graves. So they prevent anyone from looking.

 

Kenny Ko: Did they lay pave stones or something over the area of Treblinka?

 

[1:27:11]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, I think in the 1960s they paved over a large area where it is said to have happened—whatever that is—with concrete. And they have a lot of rocks erected there as monuments. So ground-penetrating radar, depending on the technology, can look through that.

 

And it’s also not completely covered, so there are areas where it’s not so that wouldn’t completely prevent you. It makes it a little bit more difficult, but it does not completely prevent you from using that technology.

 

Similar in Belzec, however—there they did do core drillings. So it shows you if there’s a will you can do more than just non-invasive methods. You can use mildly invasive methods. And the jews agreed to that they found there as well disturbed ground—way less than is needed, even under the worst-case scenario. So if the jews that were deported—of which we know; we have the records— so and so many jews were deported to these camps—not all of them, only a minority of them in the worst-case scenario—can have ended up in the ground there, according to the data we have for now.

 

Where did the rest go? We know the claims—how the murder is supposed to have happened—can’t work. We know that the claims of how the traces of the mass murder were made to disappear—all those mass graves are said to have been excavated eventually, in the course of mainly 1943, and burned on huge pyres. The claims made there are technically unfeasible for open-Air incinerations. The amount of wood and labor force and space that would have been needed—and time that would have been needed for that makes it completely incompatible with the claims.

 

So this is just a convenient and very anti-scientific way of explaining why the evidence isn’t there:

 

“Oh, because the evidence was destroyed!”

 

The absence of evidence doesn’t prove what you’re claiming. And when you are adding another claim on top of it, which you can’t prove either—that something was destroyed:

 

“I don’t have evidence you killed my wife.”

 

“Where’s your evidence?”

 

“You destroyed the evidence. So you have committed two crimes—you killed my wife and you destroyed the evidence.”

 

So you have to go to jail two times. That’s the way the argument goes here. And that’s ridiculous! With that kind of attitude you can prove every crime.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: That’s not the way it works. That’s not how science works. That’s not how law should work. Which isn’t to say that criminals do not try, and sometimes succeed to some degree or another, to actually make traces of their crimes disappear. Of course it does happen, but that doesn’t alleviate you from the duty to prove that something like that did happen.

 

And by the way, if you have 700,000 corpses in the ground and you have no technical means other than wooden logs and a lighter to make them disappear—they don’t disappear tracelessly. There’s just no way in heaven! So things need to be there! Will anyone ever look, with the attitude societies have now? No! By the time that may have changed—down the road in decades or centuries to come—I don’t know whether it will still have any way of succeeding.

 

But then again, technology—hundreds of years down the road, who knows. Forensic archaeology can find out amazing things about human settlements and human graves that are thousands or even tens of thousands of years old. So who knows what we can find out in future.

 

So there’s a lot of things to be done that mainstream doesn’t want to do.

 

Actually, the lead scientist who did the British archaeological research in Treblinka is going to have a lecture at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum upcoming in a few weeks, I think. And we guys are actually considering going there—but a little bit of a logistical challenge, and it’s a risk because if you start asking inconvenient questions, you don’t know what happens, because you’re going into the midst of people who get very angry. If you challenge—just challenge. Not even say:

 

“Well, it’s wrong.”

 

Just ask inconvenient questions. Then all kinds of shit can hit the fan.

 

So let’s see whether that’s something we can pull off.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

[1:30:56]

 

 

Germar Rudolf: So this is Treblinka. The Achilles’ heel of Holocaust skeptics in this regard is, of course, we don’t— we know that many of them can’t possibly have ended up in the ground, and they can’t have been made to disappear with these fires either. So where are they? Where’s our answer to the question—where are they? We do have anecdotal evidence of people who have claimed—witnesses during the projects launched in the 1980s to get as many survivor testimonies on tape, on record—quite a few witnesses have testified that their trains full of jews were transited through Treblinka, through Sobibor, through Belzec. We have actually a paper about that— it kind of goes through them and lists how many we have—that shows yes, these camps did operate as transit camps. That doesn’t mean they operated only as transit camps, but they definitely did serve to some degree and had the ability to serve that purpose, because there are plenty of witnesses that say:

 

“We were transited through there.”

 

Now, unfortunately, I have experience with getting transited through situations like that, because when I was in Germany spending time, I was several times relocated to different prisons. And sometimes you get through the transit section of another prison on the way to your final destination.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: And I know from experience, I remember having been through a transit camp, but I can’t remember the name of it because you’re there only for a few hours, a few days, depending. In my case, it was even six days. Actually, it was long.

 

In the case of Bełżec/Treblinka, people say they were there only a few hours, or a day or so. why would you remember the name? How likely is it that a train full of 5,000 people or 10,000 or 1,000 people—whatever the train may have had, how many people in it that have been in this place that’s completely remote, unknown back then, completely unknown name of a little, tiny settlement, not even a village in the deep backwoods of Eastern Poland—why would you remember that name? So that some of these witnesses do remember. And they were not alone. They were not brought there individually in a car. No, they were in a train full of people who were all transited through there.

 

So you can extrapolate—if you find 10 witnesses who say that, 100 may have forgotten the name and will never have thought of it. And maybe 10,000 never testified anywhere.

 

Kenny Ko: Very interesting.

 

Germar Rudolf: And then we have, of course, records of resettlement actually having happened. That is the official narrative that you find in the documentation—resettling the jews to the east—because Germany thought they were having the Soviet Union close to its collapse after the ’41 onslaught, and then in ’42—which we’re retreating still deep—the whole thing turned around only in Stalingrad, 1942, 1943.

 

Kenny Ko: I think that was the turning point in the war.

 

Germar Rudolf: Right. That’s when the Germans knew it’s not working. And that’s when all these camps were shut down—no transit anymore.

 

So you have a historical coincidence there. Yeah, coincidence that points to—yeah, in late ’41 and throughout ’42, they thought they can ship those jews to the east, have them work there, have them resettle there, because they’re going to control the area. The Soviet Union is going to collapse. We’re going to reign until the Bering Strait. That didn’t happen.

 

And then in late ’42, early ’43, when things were clear, these camps all got shut down.

 

So what happened to the jews that were resettled to the east? I’m sure we have a number of documents saying as soon as they get unloaded, the local German authorities—they can’t handle them. They are stretched thin with all the limited resources they have in a war. We have no camps, we have no nothing here. These jews, they run all over the place. They run into the woods. So they join the partisans right away. And then we have a major partisan problem. They are fighting us.

 

So one of these local commanders says:

 

“If you don’t announce ahead that we’re going to have these jews coming and if you don’t give us the means to actually accommodate them somewhere, the next train that comes unannounced, we’re just going to shoot all these people. Because if we don’t, they join the partisans right away and then they are going to come back and kill us!”

 

So he was ordered to stop this nonsense and to find accommodations for them and make sure that they all get settled there. That’s what was going on. Massacres did happen in this situation of local commanders saying:

 

“I can’t handle these jews. What are you guys doing? They are joining the partisans!”

 

And so some of them got killed ahead of time. Some of them joined the partisans, got killed in that process. Some of them survived. There’s actually one report saying that the Russians, at the end of the war—the Soviets—overran a camp where Germans had concentrated many of them, and the Soviets ran into them. There were jews that had been deported from Western Europe. So there they were. And that was only one case that was reported. Maybe there were more. So some of them got overrun by the Soviets. They may or may not have let them pass.

 

The number of people in Europe who were displaced persons—that includes jews, but not just jews. Eastern Europeans were fleeing from the Red Army advancing. The Germans were being ethnically cleansed all over the place. End-of-war and post-war Europe was a mess where people by the millions were moving Left and Right. How many jews who had been pushed this way and that ended up in displaced person camps that eventually led to them immigrating to Israel—what was to become Israel—obviously a lot of them to the United States, which stopped counting jews or registering the religious affiliation of people somewhere in the early stages of the war actually— and to other countries—is not 100% recorded. So there are a number of fates that these people will have had.

 

And another nasty one could be that a lot of these jews, if they were fit to work, were made to work for fortifications, improving infrastructure. You see that in Ukraine now in the war—each fall and spring they have a mud problem. And they had that back in the Second World War too. The roads back there were in worse shape.

 

So they had a lot of these jewish labor columns improve the roads so that the German supply runs could actually go to the front. And these jews, if they were ever overrun by the Red Army, had collaborated with the Germans—with the German war effort. Stalin didn’t have any mercy for these people. They didn’t really do it voluntarily for the Germans and were forced laborers. But Stalin didn’t give a rat’s arse! If you surrender as a Soviet soldier and become a prisoner of war, Stalin would kill you! A similar situation you have actually right now with what’s going on in Ukraine.

 

And if you are a civilian, you surrender to the German authorities and you work for them rather than fight to your death, then I’m going to kill you! So yeah, people were deported to Siberia. Even if they were concentration camp inmates, forced laborers whatsoever—not all of them, but I’m sure some of them were.

 

So there’s a whole broad variety of things that can have happened to these people. Some of them led to their death, some of them led to them immigrating and being just fine. So we will, at the end of the day—with history being obscured by the Eastern Bloc having been obscured for 40 years, and the Western powers not having too much of an interest in clarifying this issue, of diversifying historical data, historical viewpoints, historical interpretations; and then of course keeping that narrative as it is because it’s supportive of the post-war order and the powers, the pecking order, so to say—the chances of us ever finding out exactly what happened to these people will not be improving.

 

And Russia nowadays—after the collapse of the Soviet Union—they haven’t been cooperative either. Initially, yes, we could actually get access. A lot of the material that we’ve published is based on documentary resources that we found in archives that had been hidden from Western researchers up to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

But then, mainly on pressure of the German government, these Eastern archives closed their Gates again to independent researchers. You now need university or government accreditation before they let you in. So much about freedom of science and scholarship.

 

So that’s where we are with this. Is that a good answer for your Treblinka question?

 

[1:38:50]

 

Kenny Ko: Those were great answers all around, I must say.

 

And actually we just hit around the two-hour mark. I would definitely be down to do a part 2 diving into some more with you, without a doubt. Before we wrap up, I also of course want to thank you, Germar, for not only standing up and doing this for the masses and the future generations to get this information—continuing down that journey and seeking the truth! Because I think it is a core fundamental part, like you said, with history, to learn lessons. And if we don’t have the history correct, how are we supposed to learn lessons moving forward?

 

So is there anything you want to close with? I know you already said, of course, where people can find a lot of your writings and of course the free and then also the purchasable versions. But any social medias or anything you would like to tell the people?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, the easy way, if you want to get in touch with me or follow me—I have it here on the screen. My website, my personal website, is GermarRudolf.com. It also has links there to all the things that I mentioned: To the Holocaust Handbooks, the encyclopedia. We have a Holocaust Academy where we teach the ropes of Holocaust skepticism. And we have actually a HoloCast—a podcast—where I elaborate on these things. The Holocaust 101 from a skeptical point of view, and 102, and the rest of it. Links to the free speech lobby group that I’m involved in, the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust—CODOH.com. You’ll find links there to that, to our stores where you can purchase the books, and social media links you can find on that website too. My channel on X, which is basically what I focus on. The rest is too much censorious and you get thrown out.

 

Kenny Ko: I get that. Blanket censorship is a little out of control! But you guys that are watching, make sure to leave a like on the video. Go show him some support for what he has been through for all of us to obtain this knowledge and understanding and evidence, and through the forensic studies. Leave in the comments down below what you guys think of all of this, or any future topics—if we do a part two—that you guys would like Germar to discuss or cover for you.

 

And once again, Germar, thank you once again for your time. I appreciate you sitting down and having this conversation with me.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, much appreciated.

 

Kenny Ko: Of course. Have a good one.

 

Germar Rudolf: You too.

 

Kenny Ko: Awesome! All right, here—I’ll stop the recording.

 

 

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leibekohne
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Well said,its simply policy promoting war on white people.This is done by tiny JZOGBots, who own media, those scum who gave so called power to useless stinky ugly fat aboerectus who parricides on white men who build Australia. We see that it will never work and only creates contention with patriotic nationalistic young Australians. As for Anzac one can make gymnastics about. The truth is we fought wrong enemies Germans Japanese Italians in WW1 WW2 our heroes “fought” for white Australia they thought only later the same JZOG turn it to multi-cultural melting pot, to destroy white race, just opposite what they were fighting for. Thus our existence is replaced and children no future for our children. This is truth about weakness and perversion of ANZAC its legitimacy has to be challenge again in high court as abos can not be allowed to subvert sabotage subjugate whites men ancestral holiday. Australia is whites men land always was and always will be. Abos have they theirs own name let it be so; “Kangaroo Island” or “Great Sandy Island.” . That’s why scum is burning Australian flag for which they should be severely punished, and they are not part of. That’s what they had and have with abo flag and jzog can do nothing about it. Challenge it in court as its opportunity to separate from abos and rest of non-whites and stop paying taxes for them once and for all. https://www.studycountry.com/wiki/what-did-the-aboriginals-call-australia-before
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charliebrownau
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Gday Why would it stop the entire system is Anti White as more and more boomers die off the mask is revealed more and more No longer is the majority White Working Class thus the system no longer needs to pander to them Africans , Indians, Abos, Gays, Chinese and Jews are the new ‘Modern Australians’ legacy White Australians are just in the road of the Multi polar World Order utopia Even the false civnat claim that we are all equal and we don’t see race and we refuse to use racial identity ‘politics’ is slipping as Abos, Indians, Jews all have a racial group preference its just whitey that’s been brainwashed with race blind Universal Individualism No such thing exists as apolitical/unpolitical subjects/groups/activities everything is political anything that ‘isnt’ just means people don’t understand whats going on and you lot refuse to pull your head out of the sand and get off the fence It needs to be worse, more anti white and more Anti White Australians on a more widespread scale for the majority to change/adapt / forced to wake up Still not bad enough for massive change Accelerate towards victory —————————————- ” Truth Fears NO INVESTIGATION ” ” Facts don’t care about your feelings ” ” Access to White is not an Universal ((( RIGHT ))) ” ” My Wallet My Choice ” ” Real Freedom hasn’t been attempted yet ” _________ Regards Charliebrownau * Email – charliebrownau@protonmail.com * Videos – https://poast.tv/c/charliebrownau/videos * Telegram – https://t.me/s/Charliebrownau
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Lost me when he started to manufacture Abo Lore BULLSHIT! It is a scam – period NO DREAMING BS AT ALL!

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Mark Collett: Hello everybody and welcome to tonight’s special stream live with Tom Sewell. We’re going to do a very quick introduction. This stream is live on Rumble and Odysee only. It’s also live on Entropy, but that is, if you want to send a Superchat. Please do share the Odysee and Rumble links. Whichever one’s your favourite, get it up on X, get it up on Telegram, get it up on Facebook, get it wherever you want, but please do share it. It’s very difficult for me to share things because I’m only allowed on Telegram and Gab. I’ve already shared it in those two good places. If you can share it, it’d be very much appreciated. If you are new to my channel, especially if you’re watching on Rumble, please do give me a sub if you can and help me build the channel. We usually have big streams when Tom is on and I’m looking forward to tonight very much.

 

Now, if you would like to support my work, if you’d like to contribute to what I do, please do consider making a Superchat either through Entropy or through Rumble. All donations go to a good cause and this is what I do every week, as well as all of the political work. If you like that, please do consider making a donation. $3, $5, $10, whatever you can afford. And if you’re watching on replay, you can also donate at any time through Entropy. You can also donate via Crypto. All the crypto links from the description below and you can write to me at mark@thefallofwesternman.com.

 

Now if you do give a donation in the second part of the show, we will read out all of the donations and ask any questions to myself or Tom, regardless of who they are directed to, or both give answers. We’re going to talk about the situation in Australia, some of the world politics.

 

This was going to be a PWR, but Tom couldn’t make it on Wednesday because of the super early start. So we’re doing it now and we’re going to discuss a range of different topics starting with the situation in Australia. So any questions you want to ask that have a donation attached, we will ask them. And if you support my work and you want me to keep doing the things that I’m doing, please do consider giving something.

 

Anyway, let’s get into the show right now! Tom, it’s been a while since we spoke. In fact, the last time we spoke we were talking about the NSN [National Socialist Network] being disbanded. You had led the NSN to a point where it had become a major national force and possibly the largest NS organisation in the whole world at the time, certainly the most active and the one that was probably the most covered by the media. You were getting a huge amount of coverage in Australia as well as here in places the UK, Europe and even in America. And you become, well, were becoming something of a household name. He’d had a couple of really big interviews with famous people, including with Dan Bilzerian, which was a pretty big one. That was something that really put you in the spotlight in the US. And it seemed at the time as if things were going so well for you that you were going to register your political party, White Australia. Then all of a sudden the state came in with this huge ban, something you’re fighting. And around the same time Joel Davis was sadly arrested and held on remand. He’s now being released.

 

So we’ve got a lot to catch up on, a lot to talk about. But you certainly are one of the world’s most famous National Socialist. You’re somebody who doesn’t hide that fact. You’re somebody who is very honest about what you do and you’re unashamed behaviour has made you somewhat of a hero in Australia. And now not only are they going after the NSN, they’re also apparently trying to jail you as well, which is not surprising considering all the good work you’ve done.

 

So how have things been since we last spoke? How have you been getting on and what’s the mood like there since the organisation was disbanded?

 

Thomas Sewell: Well everybody, thank you, Mark. That’s a very good introduction. And it’s been a very pleasant couple months for myself. It’s nice to focus on things that aren’t 100% politics all the time. Go, go, go!

 

So definitely slightly slower pace and time to reflect and think and focus on the future. I’ve spoken to Joel since he’s been out of jail almost every day or every second day. He’s doing really well! He’s very clear minded. Certainly the lack of stimulation and online chitter-chatter has closed a lot of tabs in his head and he can focus on the tabs that are open. And that’s definitely a key to concentration. And they do put you in a “concentration camp”, when they punish you for being a political prisoner. You get plenty of time to concentrate and think. And yeah, he’s doing really well! He’s in a really good mood.

 

I spoke to him yesterday, two days ago and as we were talking on the phone, the media put an article out about him saying that, like they found him at a 7/11 at a service station filling up petrol and he wasn’t with his missus and he must be fighting with his missus and he’s been kicked out of Bondi and he’s living with mum! And it was just this really nasty Daily Mail gossip article about him. And the bail conditions say he can’t live with his family, he’s got to live with his mother.

 

[05:43]

 

So these are like gutter journalists and we were just laughing about that on the phone. And they weren’t even honest enough to say who wrote the article, which we thought was pretty funny.

 

And obviously, yeah, he passes on his regards to everyone in the White community. He loves everything that’s happening, and he’s obviously like most of us he’s a bit upset that we’re going through a phase where it’s not so much about promotion. Joel’s a big promoter. He loves promoting the worldview, he loves promoting our opinions, our thoughts, our takes, our ideology. You know, he’s a very sharp guy that’s always on the money with geopolitics and these are things he loves talking about every day. He’s always running at full steam.

 

So he’s transitioning into concentrating all that energy into a book, and he’s been telling me he’s writing a book. And I won’t spoil it, I’ll let it, let the book be about him, but more or less it’s about geopolitics. He wants to talk about, I guess, Australia’s role in, and specifically White Australia’s role in the geopolitics of the multipolar world going forward. Like how America is going to respond to BRICS [Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa] and what he perceives Australia’s role in that dynamic.

 

So, yeah, he’s loving having access to., … He might not be able to post on the Internet or I don’t think he’s even got access to the Internet really, but he’s loving having access to just new sources and materials and more books and stuff like that. And just not being in a concrete box is always a pleasure. So he’s kind of got the best of both worlds in some ways that he’s not in jail. But then he’s got state mandated, like, concentration time and like he’s got state mandated focus time. Like he can’t get caught up in Twitter debates and debacles and all this nonsense! And, yeah, he can only focus on the important things and he’s actually kind of enjoying that as much as he, like, misses all the dopamine from being able to interact with the boys and cause a storm online. So each are given what they deserve in some way. What else? You asked about Joel.

 

Mark Collett: Joel’s an interesting one because sort of I’ve obviously met Joel. A lot of people won’t have because he obviously lives in Australia. But Joel is one of those guys that is. He’s very sort of how can I say this? I don’t want to say he’s hyperactive and make him sound like he’s some ADHD.

 

Thomas Sewell: No, that’s fair. That’s fair. He is full of he’s full of beans!

 

Mark Collett: He’s like a live wire and he’s constantly thinking, talking, and I kind of saw that online with him, that he was always replying to people, he was always interacting. And when our guys usually get released, whether it’s after a sentence or whether they’ve been on remand and they’re released before their trial, there’s usually quite heavy restrictions on what they can do online. And I didn’t know how that would affect Joel, but I hope he’s enjoying fatherhood as well, because that was something I wanted to mention because obviously becoming a dad changes you in so many ways. And Joel, he’s a lot younger than you and I, but he’s a dad now, and I hope that he’s had some quality time with his partner and their newborn.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Yeah, he’s loving it. He says he’s got the best of both worlds, which I won’t go into too much detail on that, but young fathers or fathers of young children will understand what I mean by the best of both worlds. He gets to see his kid and gets all the privileges of that without the punishment of being woken up all night, you know, two o’ clock in the morning, to screaming babies. So, yeah, he’s getting the best of both worlds.

 

What else? Yeah, he said the funniest thing on the phone. He’s like:

 

“We go to the shops and I carry the baby and I’m like, ‘This is easy. What does everyone complain about?’ And then the baby cries and I’m like, ‘Oh, I’ve got someone for you’.”

 

He’s like:

 

“Just passes the baby off to mum because I don’t know why people complain about fatherhood. It’s pretty easy actually!”

 

And I’m like:

 

“Legend! Excellent! Thank you!”

 

So yeah, he’s loving it. Big strong boy he’s got. And yeah, he’s been spending a lot of time with the missus, and as much as he can. Sydney’s a really big place and it’s like state mandated that he can’t live, he can’t go into the suburb that she lives and obviously she’s like in her nest. So yeah, it’s pretty silly what they’ve done to him with these bail.

 

Mark Collett: Why can’t he go into the suburb where, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Because the Member of Parliament [Allegra Spender*] that he allegedly threatened is the member for Bondi or Wentworth.

 

[* Allegra Spender (born 1978) is not a jew; however, she represents the Wentworth electorate, which has a significant jew population, and she has been an advocate for the jewish community. Since her election in 2022, Spender’s policy platform has focused on strong action on climate change; economic reform; integrity in politics; and support for gender equity, humanitarian treatment of refugees, LGBTQs inclusion, and action on anti-semitism. The Division of Wentworth is an Australian electoral division in the state of New South Wales. The division encompasses the suburbs east of Sydney CBD, mostly Woollahra and Waverley councils in Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs. Wentworth is the smallest geographical electoral division in Australia with an area of just 31 square kilometres (12 sq mi), covering Woolloomooloo along the southern shore of Sydney Harbour to Watsons Bay and down the coast to Clovelly—an area largely coextensive with Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs. Since 2022 its MP has been Allegra Spender, an Independent. From 2004 to 2018, the seat was held by Malcolm Turnbull, who served as Prime Minister of Australia from 2015 to 2018. Source: Wikipedia]

 

Mark Collett: Basically he allegedly threatened his own neighbour and that’s got him out of nappy changes at 2 AM! Was this all part of his like evil master plan to make himself more famous and not have to change nappies?

 

Thomas Sewell: This is Joel Davis, 4D chess! Yeah. [chuckling] That’s the primary motivation. Yeah. So regarding other court nonsense, I won’t go too much into the High Court challenge, but that is “cooking”. These things don’t happen overnight.

 

A lot of people are being impatient and have been messaging me asking:

 

“What’s going on, what’s going on!”

 

And yeah, everyone just needs to be patient. It’s only been, I mean it’s what, April? I mean it’s been two months or something. Just everyone needs to chill. I’m talking about Australians, not yourself, Mark. A lot of Australians are messaging me like:

 

“What’s the update? What’s the update?”

 

Everyone’s just standing back and standing by.

 

[11:41]

 

But yeah, I’ll give an update when there’s an update to give. So there should be an update very soon. “Two more weeks!” So they say during Covid, two more weeks of lockdowns.

 

And regarding my court stuff, geez, I don’t know how much I want to say. We’ve got a court date coming up soon. It could get wrapped up within the next four weeks or we could go to trial. So the lawyers are still negotiating. It really comes down to the violent disorder, the so-called violent disorder which happened at the rally on August last year. And yeah, we’ll see what happens. I might have to do a little bit more jail time. We’ll see what the deal is. I might probably, worst case scenario, might have to go to jail for like three to six months. Best case scenario, probably time served. So, yeah, it is what it is. I got plenty of, I got plenty of books to bring with me this time, so I’m not too stressed.

 

And yeah, we’ve just been my little clique of guys we’re still training every day, we’re still hanging out. You know, nationalism is just localised now. We’re not able to organise, you know, 400, 500 people across the country into activism, into community events and political events. We’re not able to do that at the moment, but we are still allowed to have friends.

 

So obviously there’s a lot of do’s and don’ts. I had to tell a whole bunch of idiots off, I think two or three weeks ago there was a bunch of kids that were trying to do like a, “we’re not the NSN group”. And I just had to remind them about particular things that happen in the UK, and that that’s what they’re hoping you do and don’t do this. And we’re playing the game by the rules. And we have an opportunity here where we haven’t been prescribed. I want to make it very clear to everyone, we are not a banned organisation. We’re not a prescribed organisation. And we’re disbanded. But again, it’s a disbandment pending a High Court trial.

 

So it’s not like we’re giving up and we’re like:

 

“All right, back to the drawing board, guys!”

 

It’s pending a High Court trial. How long will they drag that out for? They can probably drag it out for a year, but these things actually move faster than you’d expect. And people just need to be patient. People need to build their local community. And that’s it. Everyone’s so focused on what’s happening in Iran and what’s happening in Israel and what’s happening on the other side of the country. And it’s like:

 

“How many nationalists do you know in your suburb?”

 

And so this is a really golden opportunity for people to just focus on their own area, their own close little circle of friends and build local connections.

 

And so it’s easy for me to say that because I’m a public personality, I’m a known face, and everywhere I go, that conversation arises. Like just yesterday I had two conversations with businesses in my area. And they recognised me and they started asking me:

 

“What do I think about the jews? Do you think there’s an anti-White agenda? What do you think about Iran?”

 

And so, like everywhere I go, it becomes political. You know, I talk to businessmen in the area, like shopkeepers the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker, so to speak. And these conversations arise. So I’m always, I’m constantly building community, I’m constantly networking. And if you’re not a known face, you can still do that. You’ve just got to do a little bit of foreplay first and see who’s your friend and who’s your foe.

 

And where I live is definitely like a White flight corridor. And so a lot of the local businesses, a lot of the people in my area, they recognise me and they’re honest enough and confident enough to admit that they recognise me and that they support what we’re doing.

 

So it’s really awesome! Like, Australia is massively polarised and people are so political in Australia. I mean, Australia had a really bad reputation of having an attitude of:

 

“She’ll be right!”

 

This laissez faire, politics is for dummies. Just focus on getting a Hilux ute and focusing on your trade and minding your own business. And the Australian dream is having a Hilux ute, or a Toyota Land Cruiser or both, a jet ski, a dog, 2.5 kids, a white picket fence, and four [weeks] holidays a year. And Australians are actually starting to, I can feel it, I can see it. I’m talking to people my age, older, younger, and I can see so clearly that Australians are putting that as a secondary principle now. And Australians are going:

 

“Well, hang on a minute. I’m not actually concerned about that idealistic dream anymore. I’m concerned about survival now. I’m concerned about the survival of our country. It’s clear we’re under attack!”

 

This fuel shortage thing that’s happening here in Australia and the price of petrol and the price of diesel going up like 1.5 or 1.7 times, like diesel almost doubled instantly, overnight. And so if you’re a tradesman, if you know you’re reliant on transporting yourself and goods around, that’s just smashed your business, because you can’t charge double for what you’re doing. So it just hits you. It’s just another tax. I noticed in Ireland there was some protests.

 

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Here in Australia, we haven’t had any protests yet, but I assure you things are getting very tense. And the Australian government has set up Australia to fail! The current Australian government and previous administrations of this regime have set Australia up to fail! We are one of the least fuel secure countries in the world and we’re meant to be a developed nation. We’re meant to be a first world nation and we’re in a worse position than a lot of second world and third world nations when it comes to fuel security.

 

And so we haven’t even really felt the brunt of it yet. I think we’re going to start feeling the brunt of it in the next fortnight with this crisis in the Middle East, which I don’t want to talk about too much. Obviously it’s 6 am here and it’s a bit too early for geopolitics.

 

But what I will talk about is the feeling on the ground here in Australia is that the average Aussie is like, people just come up to me in the street and just say:

 

“The government has set us up to fail! The government set us up to fail!”

 

Basically it’s the same rhetoric as like Weimar Republic where people were saying:

 

“You know, we’ve been stabbed in the back! We didn’t lose the war, we’ve been stabbed in the back!”

 

It’s the exact same rhetoric like:

 

“We’re being betrayed from within, we’re being stabbed in the back, we’re being set up to fail!”

 

That’s like the Aussism of being stabbed in the back, is we’ve been set up to fail. And people are pissed off about that. They’re like:

 

“How did they not know that this was a liability? Oh, they did know! And they did nothing!”

 

They did absolutely nothing to make sure that we were secure.

 

So anyway, I could waffle on about that forever. What else? Mark, what do you want to talk about today?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I was going to ask. So in Australia, just before you guys disbanded, there’s a couple more things I wanted to ask about Australia. Before you guys disbanded, there seemed to be a sort of a real street movement coming about. Now we have a street movement in the UK which is quite small, that myself and Steve Laws and numerous other groups have sort of come together to try and get going with the ethno-nationalists. But our large scale street movement, Unite the Kingdom, is basically run by people that have a very dim view of ethno-nationalism. Tommy Robinson’s the front guy for that. He’s already said that:

 

“If he saw the sort of people who are at Charlottesville coming down his street, he would attack them, he would side with the far-Left rather than stand with us.”

 

You know that’s where he stands at.

 

Thomas Sewell: He’s an anti, …

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, effectively he’s a multiculturalist that just claims Islam is the problem because he’s pro-Israel. But you guys, your street movement doesn’t seem to have been co-opted in the same way. And when there was a big rally you guys turned up and you were actually welcomed there. And it seemed to be that normal people were there and they were like:

 

“Look, we’re all here together!”

 

And people like Avi Yemeni were told:

 

“We don’t want you here because you’re not here for Australia, you’re here for Israel!”

 

Now that was pretty heartening. From a UK perspective, I was over the moon for you guys because we have so many problems with Tommy Robinson, with these Civnats just the other day, people putting these big flags up and giving speeches in front of them saying:

 

“Britain was built on migration! It’s just gone a bit too far.”

 

Once you’ve got that message, you’ve lost already. Once you’re saying that, it’s like you’ve already lost. But you guys seem to have escaped all that. There doesn’t seem to be that big celebrity controlled opposition movement in Australia.

 

So you guys turn up, you get treated really well! It looks like things are going to take off. What’s happening with those sort of rallies at the moment in Australia? Are they continuing to be arranged? Have the organisers said we’re going to give those up? We or are they still doing it? And if they are still doing it, can your guys go along? What direction do you think those gatherings will take after these laws have come in?

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, ultimately I’m not a supporter of rallying for the sake of rallying. I think rallying has to be, you can have a planned rally. Rallies are always planned. But there has to be an organic will of the mass to come out and demonstrate. There has to be an energy, there has to be a really good reason to try to get hundreds of thousands of people out on the street across the country to demonstrate.

 

And that’s why a lot of these things, they migrate. Well, that’s probably a bad word to use, but they move from specific subject issue like immigration into:

 

“Well we can’t just keep rallying for anti-immigration, rallying for anti-immigration, rallying for anti-immigration. It doesn’t seem to be doing anything.”

 

And it has like a law of diminishing returns. And so where it’s moving to is more subject specific and it’s trying to branch out and instead of being a myopic movement, because in Australia it’s called March for Australia, that’s our equivalent. And they’re currently focused on things like what’s happening to Ben Roberts-Smith. I don’t know if in the UK you guys have seen with the decorated war hero, the SAS guy, Ben Roberts-Smith, most decorated or one of the most decorated soldiers in Australia’s history, the guy is genuinely a war hero.

 

[22:40]

 

Regardless of what people think about geopolitics and whether we should have been in Afghanistan or not, the reality is he was sent there and he got the job done. And there’s many, many famous stories about Ben Roberts-Smith. Like one of the most famous ones is about when an ANA soldier or when a Taliban soldier pretending to be an ANA soldier, which if you know, there’s really not much difference between the ANA and the Taliban. It was very easy for the Taliban to take back control of Afghanistan after the Americans, after the Allies withdrew, because the ANA was a fraud. It wasn’t a real army. It was just the Taliban on a government paycheck. And these guys dressed up as ANA, shot Australian soldiers in the back at a forward operating base. And they gave Ben Roberts-Smith a call to go hunt these guys down and find them, hunt this guy and his friends down and bring him to justice. And he did that. He hunted this guy down, he killed him and all his friends in his village. And now he’s being charged with war crimes, hunting this guy down.

 

 

I can’t, can’t remember the guy’s name. I don’t think he actually killed the guy that did it, but he managed to get all the fuckers that helped him in his village. And this is, it’s a dirty war. It’s a dirty war! I don’t believe, I mean, we don’t need to talk too much about the metaphysics of war crimes, but I don’t believe in a guerrilla war that the enemy can shoot at you and then put the rifle, … They’re wearing civilian clothes, they shoot at you, they put the rifle down and you know, they’re suddenly not an enemy combatant. And the Taliban laugh at our nonsense laws of warfare. They don’t follow the laws of warfare and so neither should we.

 

The laws of warfare are a contract between civilised People, in order to avoid civilian casualties. If Australia goes to war with New Zealand, we have laws of war and we say:

 

“You fucking New Zealanders! You know you’re gonna get it!”

 

And then you have a fight, but you have like a contract that you don’t do this and you don’t do that, and it’s to prevent innocent people dying. But if one side starts breaking the rules, the other side’s gonna start breaking it.

 

And the Australian government’s not punishing the Taliban. In fact they’re inviting them into the country and giving the Taliban money. So Ben Roberts-Smith is being charged with five counts of war crime murder. And he just got bail yesterday, which everyone was shocked at. I mean I did not expect that’s something weird is going on about that. I don’t know what is going on in the background. But the March for Australia and like that kind of whole scene, they seem to be rallying behind Ben Roberts-Smith at the moment. That’s like the subject issue of the day.

 

And people might think that that’s not as important as the anti-immigration sentiment. And I would argue it’s as important as the anti-immigration sentiment to rally behind national icons, to rally behind national figures. I mean, Ben Roberts-Smith represents the spirit of the hero, he represents the spirit of the Anzac. What you’ve got in this country is a complete lack of will to fight in general. You’ve got this laissez faire attitude, and we have politicians that are trying to stab us in the back by emasculating society. They’re trying to emasculate our men! They’re trying to denationalise our society.

 

They’ve done a really good job at destroying the army. Like the Australian army is like a politically correct cesspit now. The people in charge of it are more interested in being politically correct than they are in the strategic defense of the nation. I mean I consistently see in their speeches and I was even trying to read some policy stuff recently online, and it was a speech from one of the generals here in Australia, Lieutenant General. And he started the speech, the lecture and it’s about national security. He started it with a “Welcome to Country”, saying that:

 

“We’re on sovereign Aboriginal land and sovereignty was never ceded.”

 

And it’s like, hang on a minute, are you, like you’re a traitor! This is outright treason! We’ve got people that are leading us, and these are the people throwing Ben Roberts-Smith, under the bus.

 

And so it’s as Joel said in his interview:

 

“It’s emblematic of all the problems in this country!”

 

Where actual soldiers fighting for Australia are getting thrown under the bus by politicians and generals that are saying that Australia is not a sovereign nation, that it’s actually the sovereign territory of the “Kulin people” or some garbage like that. And yeah, that’s obviously very, I mean, offensive is one way to put it. It’s sacrilegious!

 

And it’s also an argument about the sovereignty of Australia we currently have. A sovereign is, as much as I don’t like the guy, it’s the King of England. The King of England is also the King of Australia. And I don’t like him personally. And I think the institution has become rotten.

 

However, I acknowledge that is the sovereign. He represents the British people and the British people are the predominant founding stock of Australia. We’re speaking English, and that’s the way our government works. The foundation of our Nation is in 1901 is a Parliament built on the sovereignty of the King of England. And that flag being stabbed into the soil of this continent in the antipodes in the southern hemisphere. And so to say:

 

“Well, hang on a minute. Actually, that’s not the sovereign. The sovereign is the local flora and fauna that did nothing with this place for 40,000 years!”

 

To say that we’re not sovereign here, they’re the sovereign, well, what defense force are they joining? What defense force are you joining? What Parliament are we sitting in? What, anything that we do. What tax are we paying? Are we just paying tax and serving in the defence force and serving in the institutions?

 

And so, yeah, I can see that’s where this ethno-nationalist movement in our absence, that’s where it’s focusing on. It’s topic specific.

 

Yeah. What else, Mark?

 

[29:13]

 

Mark Collett: Well, no, I want to respond to something, what you said about this soldier. And hear me out here, because when I see people like him, I’m not quite as enthusiastic about them as you are. Now I look at that man and he goes to Afghanistan. The Afghans essentially pose, especially the Afghans, you know, load of Afghan goat herders in Afghanistan. They pose no threat to Australia, Australian people or the West. This guy’s essentially at this point, a paid mercenary who points his gun at anyone his government tells him to. And if the allegations about him are true, that he did shoot civilians and he shot civilians and asked other young, impressionable soldiers to also.

 

Thomas Sewell: He’s not being charged. Yeah. He’s not being charged with shooting civilians. He’s been charged with shooting “disarmed combatants”.

 

Mark Collett: Okay. Disarmed combatants. Okay. Yes. Right. I take that on board!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Let’s say he’s actually done that. These are allegations, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I don’t doubt that he’s done it!

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. If he’s done that, though, he’s a bit of a piece of shit! And I’ll tell you why, because, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I disagree, but all right.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’m going to tell you why. And I’m going to tell you why you’re wrong. With all due respect.

 

The Australian government decided the Afghan people were their enemies because the Australian government are basically a branch of ZOG.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: The Australian government also believe that you are their enemy! And people like this Ben Roberts or Ben Roberts-Smith or whatever his name is, he’s the kind of person, the kind of, if this is true, unscrupulous person that the government will employ to police Australia and to clamp down on anyone that the government deems an enemy at any time. And one day, mate, it may well be that Australia’s falling to pieces and that your family are “disarmed combatants” sat with their hands tied behind their backs, staring down the barrels of guns held by ZOGbot enforcers employed by the Australian government. At that point, is it right for those guys to pull the trigger on your wife, your kids, or you? Because the Australian government don’t like you and they’re doing their job and you’re the enemy of the day because Nazis are taking over Australia.

 

Was it right for the men that firebombed Dresden, killed some 450,000 White women, children, elderly Germans and wounded soldiers? Was it right that the American GIs, in many cases shot disarmed young German boys who had been part of Hitler Youth and had signed up to the Wehrmacht? Was it right that Russian soldiers raped German women at the end of the war? Or that Eisenhower essentially starved hundreds of thousands of Germans that were disarmed? You know, people say:

 

“Well, they had it coming! We’re at war with them!”

 

I do believe there are rules. And I think for somebody like you, who is Australia’s arguably Australia’s best known political dissident, it wasn’t that long ago that police officers were brutalizing you and I believe two police officers even joked about killing members of NSN. They’re the kind of, …

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s true.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, and don’t get me wrong, I believe those cops, if they’d had the chance and no cameras were pointed in their way and they thought they could get away with it, would have shot your lads because they were doing what the Australian government and their superiors thought was right in defense of multicultural Australia. Is that right?

 

I mean, all these ZOG enforcers, whether you fly off to Afghanistan to shoot Afghans because ZOG tells you, or whether you shoot Tom Sewell and the NSN members because ZOG tells you’re still a bit of a ZOG enforcer! And I look at you and I think to myself:

 

“Come on we’ve got to have this straight!”

 

A lot of these people who follow the government’s mandate as soldiers, as police officers, as people that would be used against us, may well one day turn their weapons on us in this way.

 

And I think we need to aim for sort of a higher standard because I firmly believe that if things start breaking down, people like you, myself, dissidents all over the world could well be facing down the barrel of Ben Roberts gun. And what if somebody like him was put in charge of breaking dissident political groups that his government said were a true threat to Australian or British or American democracy? Would it be right for him to kill us?

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, I appreciate the hypothetical, and I can certainly play the game, and play the hypothetical scenario with you, Mark, but I would put forward to you that’s a false equivalency. And that I’m not making an argument some Zogbots are different to other Zogbots. I’d make the argument that our war against Islam in the Middle East was partly justified.

 

Regardless of Israeli influence, I don’t have any sympathy for the Islamic world. I think that Islam is a giant rape gang on a global scale. I don’t care about dead Talibanos at all! I think what Israel’s doing in Palestine is disgusting, because of their moral hypocrisy and because of the fact that they’ve got such control over Western nations they can get away with sniping babies and toddlers and all the crazy stuff that’s going on.

 

[35:03]

 

But we’re not talking about Ben Roberts-Smith going over there as part of ZOG to go snipe babies. Ben Roberts-Smith was part of the Australian Defense Force. He swore an oath to defend the Crown, as I did. And he didn’t make the decision to be deployed to Afghanistan. He didn’t make that decision. He made the decision to be part of an elite unit of Australian soldiers to defend Australian interests, to be part of the Defense Force. And I don’t have any sympathy for these bachabazi, you know, boy fuckers! The Taliban are the most putrid, disgusting human beings on earth! The stories that come out, and it’s not war propaganda. The stories that come out of how these Afghanis live in Afghanistan and how they behave and how they treat their own civilians. I don’t care! And I think it’s a false equivalency to say:

 

“Oh the Taliban are just as noble and fair as the Germans fighting in the Second World War.”

 

I these. I’m not against people having pointy sticks, Mark. I’m not against the fact that he’s paid by the Australian government. You know, he’s technically a mercenary. He’s the same kind of guy that comes and kicks my door in. He might be of the same stock and he might be part of the same or very similar institution to the people kicking my door down, but he didn’t kick my door down. So he didn’t choose to kick my door down. He didn’t kick my door down. He’s not part of the police, he’s part of the SAS*.

 

[* The Special Air Service Regiment, officially abbreviated SASR and commonly known as SAS, is a Special Forces unit of the Australian Army. Formed in 1957 as a company, it was modelled on the British SAS with which it shares the motto “Who Dares Wins”. Expanded to a regiment in August 1964, it is based at Campbell Barracks, in Swanbourne, a suburb of Perth, Western Australia, and is a direct command unit of the Special Operations Command. The regiment first saw active service in Borneo in 1965 and 1966 during the Indonesian Confrontation, mainly conducting reconnaissance patrols, including secret cross-border operations into Indonesian territory.]

 

And I think we’re putting him on a false trial, moral trial here, because he followed the orders that he wanted to follow. I think that you vote with your feet. And if he was morally upset about the war in Afghanistan, he would have left the army. Just as if I was morally upset about the war in Afghanistan, I would have left the army. I wouldn’t have been trying to deploy to Afghanistan.

 

And so my opinion about war is you need men with pointy sticks, and you need men with pointy sticks fighting the enemy. You need men with pointy sticks facing outside, not inside. And I don’t support the men with pointy sticks pointing them inside. I’m totally against what ZOG, obviously, is doing to our own people in our own country, but I think that we should have gone to Afghanistan with the correct intentions. I’m not against the war in Afghanistan. I’m against this nonsense of spreading democracy and freedom and McDonald’s and sodomy to the Middle East. Well, they’re already doing sodomy, but LGBT rights to the Middle East. I think we should have gone to Afghanistan either not at all, or with the intention of absolutely, totally obliterating the Taliban, and completely eradicating the enemy!

 

And then you don’t need to install a new government. The old government is completely gone. And other people will come in to power, and they’re either aligned with our geopolitical interests or they’re not. They’re either allowing Al Qaeda training camps in their mountain hills or they’re not. And they’ll learn the hard way.

 

And I believe in force projection. I don’t believe in a universal morality. I think what’s right for my people is what’s right. I don’t think there’s a universal right and wrong. I think that the laws of combat apply to brothers wars. I don’t think they apply to people that don’t have our value system. The Taliban weren’t. Why should we treat the Taliban better than they were treating us? Well, because we’re in their country?

 

So I think it’s a false equivalency. I think you can’t put Ben Roberts-Smith on trial because the actions of police officers that kick down my door and threaten to kill me. I’ve been in ZOG! I was an Australian soldier, and I’m telling you, the world is changing. And less and less White men are joining the army. And I don’t encourage White men to join the army that much anymore. I tell people. I generally tell people not to. Some men, they kind of have to. They kind of get to get it out of their system. But I told them to focus on politics. I tell them, we got to fix the country, and then we can fix the army. We can’t fix the army from inside the armies. There’s no point joining.

 

But, you know, less and less men of our calibre that are patriotic and nationalistic are joining the army. And more and more, or police, and more and more are joining not to serve their community or serve their nation. They’re joining for a paycheck. And I don’t believe Ben Roberts-Smith is one of those people. And I don’t believe the SAS is that kind of institution. And I get a lot of messages on social media from guys, former SAS guys and current SAS guys. And they say to me:

 

“We all support what you’re doing. Keep up the good work. You’re a name with us. Like, people know who you are. They know that you’re fighting for, that you’re on the money.”

 

People know. And so the government is actually out. In my opinion, the government is at war with people like Ben Roberts-Smith. I don’t think Ben Roberts-Smith is their toy the way it’s been made out. I think they’re afraid of people like Ben Roberts Smith. They’re afraid of Special Forces guys that can’t be controlled. They’re ungovernable and they’re trying to break him. They’re trying to break him for what he represents. He represents these groups of elite soldiers that ultimately they could be a praetorian guard. They could in theory turn on the government. But they’re not going to do that without public support.

 

And so we have to do our job. I think everyone’s doing their job with politics and some people are in the institutions and some people are not. And yeah,

 

Mark Collett: But I’d argue like, …

 

[40:42]

 

Thomas Sewell: Okay, I can entertain the argument that we shouldn’t have been in Afghanistan. Like that we can just bomb the Al Qaeda training camps and we can just defund Israel and blah blah, blah, and ISIS will disappear. Or Al Qaeda at the time was the organisation prior to ISIS. But Al Qaeda will disappear if we bomb enough people, but then we’re bombing people. You know, it’s like, I don’t believe in this, Muslims are generally peaceful, blah, blah.

 

Of course, there’s 1.1 billion of them. There are nefarious entities with a lot of money in the Islamic world. And they want to hurt us and they want to engage in a war with the West. You know, they do want to engage in a war with the West. They don’t hate us for our freedom. I’m not an idiot! [chuckling] They hate us because we’re non-believers! We won’t submit to their God. That’s why they hate us. And yeah, don’t send men like Ben Roberts-Smith to occupy a foreign country unless you want that.

 

So the politicians should be on trial, not Ben Roberts-Smith. So I am going to defend the guy.

 

Mark Collett: But the point is the Taliban aren’t really your enemies.

 

Thomas Sewell: They are! 100%.

 

Mark Collett: No one is 100% your enemy. Your enemy are the people sat in Canberra. Your enemies are the people sat in Australian Parliament.

 

Thomas Sewell: I think they’re both. Both can be true.

 

Mark Collett: No, they’re not.

 

Thomas Sewell: Taliban is my enemy!

 

Mark Collett: No Afghan in Afghanistan poses you any threat whatsoever! Your government poses you the threat and they pay people like Ben Roberts Smith.

 

And I believe quite firmly that if tomorrow the government said to the Australian military, as I’ve said to the Australian police force and Civil Service and social services and all the other, all the other arms of sort of law enforcement in the state that you guys are the ultimate enemy. You would be facing off against those guys who are in Special Forces.

 

And unfortunately we’ve seen that if you look at all the elite police units, counter terror units, if you look at all the branches of the Secret Service who are extremely elite individuals, some of them are drawn from Special Forces. They are the people responsible for kicking nationalist doors in at 6 am and dragging us out of our houses. And I can tell you this, there’s not a single person in Afghanistan who’s ever done anything that has harmed me. But there are plenty of people who work for the British state that have harmed me, my friends, people that I’m close to and have worked to either malign, frustrate or shut down organisations in the UK that are fighting for the betterment of White people.

 

And I think this idea that you know, the Taliban and Al Qaeda and all these groups are our enemies is basically just ZOG propaganda to get young, strong White men out there fighting wars for Israel, when really young, strong White men should be joining nationalist groups and working to get rid of anti-White governments here in the West.

 

The war isn’t in the Middle East, it’s never been in the Middle East. There’s no need for us to be in the Middle East other than the fact that Israel’s there and needs our protection, because ultimately most of these soldiers are just pawns on the chessboard for a bunch of supremacist jews that run Israel!

 

My belief is young White men, they need to be at home pushing back against their government and they don’t need to be part of the government brainwashing machine.

 

And that’s another thing. When people join the army today and I know people who are in the army, I know people who work in different branches of the government, whether it’s social services, local council services, etc, these people are regularly indoctrinated, monitored, and they are told that the greatest threat to what they serve and the country that they work for is actually people like us and our thought processes.

 

Thomas Sewell: I know. I know. Do they believe it?

 

Mark Collett: Well, many do, or they wouldn’t be kicking our doors in, would they mate? You know those cops who wanted to kill you and your friends? They did believe it. And they are the people, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I think they’re a minority. I think the average cop that kicks my door in, because I ask them, I say to them:

 

“How do you feel about doing this to me and my family?”

 

And they are mercenaries for ZOG, and they admit that they’re mercenaries for ZOG, and they say:

 

“Well, look, mate, I wouldn’t be doing this if I won the lotto.”

 

That’s what they all say to me:

 

“Oh, look, mate, I gotta pay a mortgage.”

 

That’s what they all say to me. That’s their justification for doing it:

 

“I’m just following orders.”

 

And I say:

 

“That sounds familiar.”

 

So I know what you’re talking about. But I don’t equate the men with pointy sticks pointing outwards with the men with pointy sticks pointing inwards.

 

You know, I think men should be judged on their merits. I think men should be judged on their merits. And can we say that Ben Roberts-Smith is politically naive? Yes, of course. Absolutely! He’s politically naive. Is he in bad faith? No.

 

[45:56]

 

 

And I think that there’s a difference between people who have, I see what Ben Robert-Smith, what he’s done. I see it in the same moral paradigm as any man in this country that goes to work and pays tax and has a job. I don’t see his behaviour is any less moral than going to work and paying tax and paying a mortgage to international finance. Because every single man that I know, when I say:

 

“You should get more involved, you should be more political.”

 

You know what they say to me?:

 

“Oh, I’ve got a mortgage. Oh, I’ve got all these bills. Oh my job, my career!”

 

And it’s like your career in what? Who are you paying tax to? A government that’s destroying us. Who are you paying a mortgage to? A nefarious group of people that hate us and are trying to destroy us. So it’s easy to hate on Ben Robert-Smith for shooting the Taliban and in the back of the head while they’re in the killing field. It’s really easy to hate on him. But what about all the men that every day fuel the beast? Every day go to work and pay tax to a system that is just bringing in more and more migrants to ethnically replace us in our own country? I think, honestly, if I want to compare the two, I would say they’re more immoral! I would say the average man in this country that goes to work and pays tax is more immoral than Ben Roberts-Smith. Ben Roberts-Smith is overseas killing what I define as the enemy. That’s how I see it.

 

And so when you’re going to work, … Because I don’t think that they’re doing it for ZOG. I don’t think these men are doing it for ZOG and I think that he’s of a calibre, …

 

Mark Collett: He’s not making life better for Australians, has he? And that’s the point., …

 

Thomas Sewell: One less, one less Saracen jihadist on earth! So total happiness improves.

 

Mark Collett: Muslims living in the West must go. But some random goat herder who’s [chuckling] never going to leave Afghanistan is not our problem. And this is the issue. This is the, … You’re buying into the Tommy Robinson narrative.

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s a black and white here, Mark, and I don’t believe it’s black and white like that. I think there’s a hierarchy and I agree with you on your hierarchy. But you have to admit that it’s a hierarchy. It’s not black and white. These people aren’t a threat and these people are a threat. They’re both a threat. But obviously they, people destroying our society are in government, or they’re in banking, they’re in media, they’re in finance. This is obviously the major issue!

 

But I’m not going to hate on someone because he’s dealing with a lesser threat. And you can argue that it’s a much lesser threat. And I more or less agree with that argument. The average goat herder in Afghanistan is not the major threat.

 

Mark Collett: It’s a zero threat!

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s not zero threat. It’s not zero, because, …

 

Mark Collett: They’re never going to get here. The only reason they get here is because we’ve got traitorous governments. It’s like you don’t have a problem with people overseas until your government allows them to come in and welcome them in the Afghans are never going to invade Australia, until the Australian government gave them council houses and said:

 

“Come here and do as you please!”

 

The invasion isn’t even masterminded by Afghans. It’s masterminded by men and women sat in Canberra who are taking away your freedom of speech.

 

Thomas Sewell: Sure, Absolutely! Absolutely! But this idea that Islamists in the Middle East are not part of a civilisational threat to us, I think is wrong! If we’re looking at this isolated individual, if, for example, we’re saying this one little Afghan farmer, he’s no threat to us. It’s like, of course, he’s a little ant on the other side of the earth.

 

But you know, Alexander the Great, when he’s invading northern India, what did northern Indians do to Macedonia? I’m just looking at this from a, beyond geopolitics. I’m looking at this from a civilisational perspective. The Northern Indians didn’t do anything to Macedonia. So why is he there with 40,000 Macedonian, you know, phalanx? Why is he, why is he there with all his Macedonian soldiers all the way in Northern India, invading Northern India? I actually don’t care about the Northern India. I care about Alexander the Great! I care about the greatness of Western civilisation and the expansiveness of the Aryan race. Europe either breathes in or breathes out.

 

Now obviously these guys got played. They obviously got played, right? Don’t get me wrong, they got played, okay? And I agree with that they got played. But their intentions were righteous. And when we look at you brought up Dresden and stuff like that. My great grandfather was a Lancaster bomber pilot. But they joined the Air force and they fought for king and country for what was intended to be a noble reason. Obviously wars get dirty and it was a disgusting war, the Second World War. And obviously the British people, the Australian people, the American people and the Russian people as well. The Russians were co-opted by the Soviets. Obviously these men, they fought with an ounce of patriotism and nationalism and it was obviously manipulated against the interests of Western civilisation. It ultimately was not in the interest of Britain to engage in that war.

 

[50:58]

 

But I’m not going to say that the British soldiers aren’t heroes like in general for their courage. I worship, well, worship is probably a very strong word. But I respect the hero on the merit of heroism. And Ben Roberts-Smith isn’t just shooting civilians like in the field. Like there was encounters where Ben Roberts-Smith, they were in ambushes. The ANA betrayed them and ambushed them with the Taliban. And Ben Roberts-Smith in one encounter killed 50 of these people in one encounter by himself. You know, I mean the guy is just, he’s an archetype of the hero. The guy was running at machine guns with three steel plates on his chest. I can respect the heroism being on the battlefield and running at the machine gun and fighting tooth and nail. And that’s my belief system, Mark. And like we can agree to disagree on it. But I can appreciate, I can appreciate the warrior for the warrior. He’s not a priest! I’m not claiming he’s a priest. I’m not claiming he understands politics super well. I’m not saying:

 

“I’m not saying this guy is God, emperor, warrior, priest Ben Roberts-Smith!”

 

But what I’m saying is he represents the archetype of the warrior. Just like the British soldiers in World War II. We can agree that what they fought for ultimately has damaged Britain. But we can agree that they fought. Just like the Anzacs. Like, we worship the ANZACS here in Australia. We say the Anzacs are our foundation legacy, they’re a part of our civic religion. We have a civic religion here in Australia, where Australia’s foundation is built around the Anzac mythos.

 

But these men ultimately fought for Israel, for the creation of Israel. Like, they fought to break the Ottoman Empire in Gallipoli. In Turkey, they broke the Ottoman Empire that caused the British Palestine Mandate, which later caused Israel. So I should just throw all the Anzacs under the bus? I don’t believe in that. I can respect that, the hero for being the hero. I can respect the ANZAC for being the Anzac and at the same time say like, I can respect the 16 year old boys that died in Kokoda in the trail fighting the Japanese Empire and at the same time be like:

 

“We manipulated Japan into declaring war with the West. They could have just focused on China and extracted resources and blah, blah, blah!”

 

And those that wanted war with Germany created war with Japan and we never needed to go to war with Japan. They weren’t a threat. You know, the Japanese weren’t really a threat to Australia. They only declared war on America and Australia because they were forced into it.

 

And so we can have this take on geopolitics. That doesn’t mean the guys that fought at Kokoda weren’t heroes, Mark. No Japanese soldier ever shut down the bank accounts of the fascist movement in Australia in 1930. It’s like, so?

 

Mark Collett: But that’s an important point, because otherwise you fall down the Tommy Robinson narrative. So Tommy Robinson, he raises one valid point, that Muslims here in the UK do horrific things to young British girls and in some cases young British boys.

 

And I want to make it totally clear, I don’t want any Muslims in Britain at all! I want them all to go. I want every mosque to be closed down. I want this to be 95% White British country, where the few that remain are overwhelmingly of White European descent from elsewhere in the world.

 

So you have some White Australians here, some White Americans here some Germans, some French, but we’re 95% White British. But Tommy Robinson, he’ll raise this valid point and then he’ll say:

 

“Look, we need to have the warrior spirit, we need fighting men. And the best way to put it up the Muslims is to go and fight in places like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan!”

 

He spreads that narrative. And then when we do go and fight there, it has three effects. The first effect is we spend lots of money and lots of our young men either die or come back with horrific injuries. The second effect is the Muslims here in Britain become far, far more radicalised and do far more horrible things to our people in terms of revenge.

 

And the third thing that it does is it creates a never ending stream of Muslims coming to the West as refugees, as translators. And for all the piss and vinegar from people like Tommy Robinson and all these “we’ve got to go and fight them abroad”, the net effect is British people suffer because money spent abroad. British people suffer because their sons and daughters go over there and fight and come back in body bags or maimed. And then British people suffer because more people come from Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Middle East because we’ve kicked the hornet’s nest. Never once has one of these foreign wars that Ben Roberts has fought in resulted in a better world for Europeans!

 

In fact, quite the opposite. And we’ve got lots of people who are great warriors, wonderful with guns, expertly trained, incredibly fit, people who would make me wince with the physical feats they can carry out. And they went to Afghanistan, they went to Iraq, they’re probably on the borders of Iran as we speak. They’ve operated in places like Syria and Libya. And I’m sure they’re great warriors in your book, but their actions unfortunately have led to a greater demographic shift here.

 

And if you go and do something and you are part of a machine whose actions reduce us to a minority and make our life worse whilst only enriching one particular group of people who are the Zionists, the people that Tommy Robinson works for, how is that a good outcome for us?

 

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Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I stand by the point I made earlier that that is not the isolated fault and guilt and responsibility of one particular class of people just because they’re trained gunmen. Every single person in this society that’s not a full-time nationalist is contributing to the machine. I agree with a lot of what you’ve said on this subject, that it has. These wars have not helped us. Absolutely, you’re right. These wars haven’t helped us. These wars have harmed us. Absolutely! I 100% agree with you! They have harmed us, they have brought in a never ending stream of immigration. That wasn’t Ben Roberts-Smith’s decision. I assure you if Ben Roberts-Smith was Prime Minister or he was in Parliament, he would be trying to stop that. So, and I think that’s my central point is that it’s actually men like Ben Roberts-Smith that they’re taking out.

 

There’s a guy in government at the moment called Andrew Hastie and he is part of the machine and he was in the SAS and him and two of his buddies testified against Ben Roberts-Smith and that’s why he’s being put up on these war crime charges. And he is part of ZOG! He is part of the machine! He is responsible for destroying this country! And he is the deputy leader of the Liberal Party, which is our version of the Conservative Party, here in Australia. They pretend to be conservative to get votes, no different to yours. But like yours at least they kind of are conservative, which is a shit ideology. These people aren’t even agreeing with the shit ideology. They’re pretending to agree with the shit ideology.

 

And so Ben Roberts-Smith could become a political force in this country. I think it’s quite obvious the way Ben Roberts-Smith was gearing himself up after leaving the SAS. He was making political manoeuvres. Ben Roberts-Smith was getting on the boards of the Return Service League. He was getting on the boards of all these like ex-soldier organisations, community organisations. He was getting involved with the War Museum, he was getting involved culturally, he was getting active, he was getting political, Mark. And he wasn’t joining the Liberal Party because obviously he doesn’t like the Liberal Party. He doesn’t like what they’ve done to Australia. And he was looking at other options.

 

And I believe that Hastie, Andrew Hastie, sees Ben Roberts-Smith as a political threat to him. I think in a different timeline we could have had a Ben Roberts-Smith, you know, MP as opposed to an Andrew Hastie MP. I don’t think it’s as clear cut as everyone that’s in the army or everyone that fights in these wars is a Zogbot. I don’t think it’s as clear cut as that. I think some people like, am I a Zogbot, because I was in the Australian Army? Like obviously I came to my senses. I obviously came to my senses, but the point is that I joined the army. I applied to join the army at 17 years old because I loved my country and I wanted to fight for my country and I wanted to fight my country’s enemies and I wanted to put that to good use.

 

And so the soldiers on the ground, I think it’s a false equivalent equivalency to say:

 

“Well, you’re part of the beast, you’re responsible!”

 

And it’s, well, hang on a minute! They going over to Afghanistan because they don’t want Afghanis in Australia. And yes, you’re right, …

 

Mark Collett: But that results in more of them coming there!

 

Thomas Sewell: It has.

 

Mark Collett: That’s what’s happened!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, it has. Yes, it has. You’re right! That is what’s happened.

 

Mark Collett: It’s like me saying:

 

“I don’t want war!”

 

It’s like me saying, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Because they’re getting stabbed in the back!

 

Mark Collett: It’s like I don’t want more water into my house, but then I feed a hose through my window and turn it to max! That is not the way to go about drying the house out, is it?

 

Thomas Sewell: I think that’s a false metaphor or false equivalency. It’s like saying:

 

“I don’t like pit bulls.”

 

And then you go to the suburb over and go, kill a pit bull in the suburb over. And then somebody else is bringing pit bulls into your suburb because the suburbs not safe for pit bulls that you’re killing in the other suburb. That’s to me a more accurate metaphor. It’s like, Ben, Roberts-Smith is going over to Afghanistan because he doesn’t like pit bulls. He’s trying to get rid of them. He’s trying to get rid of this dangerous breed. And it’s like, meanwhile, he’s getting stabbed in the back. They’re bringing this dangerous breed into Australia!

 

And so it’s like he’s not pouring the water into his own house, Mark. He’s trying to deal with this issue externally because he’s pointing the pointy stick outside Australia.

 

Mark Collett: He’s pointing the pointy stick and chasing them into Australia, because that’s what happens. When these soldiers go abroad and fight these wars the undoubted end, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Roberts-Smith didn’t open the borders. And no one in the Australian army joins the Australian arm for that reason.

 

Mark Collett: And every time soldiers from Britain, America, Australia go to the Middle East, the net effect is more Muslims come to Britain and never once, …

 

Thomas Sewell: And how often Mark, how old are you? Mark, how old are you?

 

Mark Collett: I’m 45.

 

[1:02:04]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: And I’m 33. And we have the wisdom in our middle years. We’re definitely not old men. We’re fit, young, middle aged men or slightly younger than middle aged men perhaps. And we have the wisdom to know this. We have the wisdom to know this.

 

But you know, guys that are 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, like when do these guys join the army? You don’t join the army at 33 years old. You don’t join the army at 45

 

Mark Collett: Which is good.

 

Thomas Sewell: It doesn’t happen. When I was at basic training, the oldest guy like the “grandpa, gramps” at basic training was 25. A guy called Coxy, he was 20. That was the oldest guy at basic training. Everyone was 17, 18, everyone. The second oldest guy was like 22. And we were like:

 

“Whoa! It’s like a grown arse man!”

 

He’s as old as the corporals. We were like, you know what I mean? Like a 22 year old. When I was at basic training, a 22 year old was like an old guy that we looked up to and we were like asking him questions about shit! We’re like:

 

“What do you think of so and so? What do you think of this guy?”

 

You know, we were fucking kids, Mark! You know, we didn’t know joining the army that they’re going to be flooding Australia full of Muslims. We joined the army to fight Muslims! We thought that if we fight them on the front line in their country, they’re not going to be fighting on our turf.

 

Mark Collett: But the exact opposite happened.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. And we can reflect on that now as older men and we can say:

 

“Hey, don’t join the army!”

 

And we can say to young guys, blah, blah, blah, we can steer guys in the right direction:

 

“The real issue, the real threat is government. The real threat are the traitors in government that are stabbing us in the back!”

 

And they’re not putting Ben Roberts-Smith on a pedestal and having him in the Liberal Party and soak in votes and say:

 

“We need to bring more Afghan refugees into the country.”

 

Like Andrew Hastie, his counterpart. Another guy that was in the SAS, that has stabbed Ben Roberts-Smith in the back! He’s testified against him, he’s ratted on his own boys! He’s the piece of shit! Andrew Hastie’s the piece of shit! So that’s my position on it.

 

Like Hitler talks about this in Mein Kampf. When you’re fighting on the front line, your focus is on the enemy. And so Hitler was so pissed off and he got involved in politics at the conclusion of the First World War because his focus was fighting on the front line, rightly or wrongly! You know what I mean? It’s like Hitler’s fighting on the front line. What? You know the British are there to defend the little countries, to defend Belgium and the Netherlands, and the Germans are there to fight for the empire, the German Empire. And it’s like, so you’ve got these young guys being manipulated to fight against each other. And then where this political energy comes from in this expansion of fascism in the 1920s and 1930s across Europe was like:

 

“Well, hang on a minute. While the warriors were not thinking about politics and just doing what they thought was the right thing and serving their nation, they were getting stabbed in the back by politicians and a political class and a communist class and a traitor class!”

 

And that creates the rise of fascism. And I can feel that happening in Australia, in America, in Britain, with people that are leaving defense or people that are fed up with these institutions, people that are leaving the police force. Look, Mark, you know how I feel about police officers. I’ve obviously been treated pretty badly by police officers. My men have been treated badly by police officers.

 

But there’s a lot of ex-police officers that come up to me in the street and say:

 

“I support what you’re doing. I’ve retired from Victoria Police now, so I can say it, blah, blah, blah, keep on track, I think you’re a good man, blah, blah, blah.”

 

And they’re sorry for what’s happened to us by the institution. It’s the leadership that are responsible. It’s the institution. These guys just obviously it’s changing and less and less good quality men are joining these institutions.

 

Is that a good thing? Yes, in some ways, it’s to and fro. There’s pros and cons to good men not joining these institutions. There’s pros and cons! I think there are some cons because if it sucks having your own kind of men, seeing men of your own calibre, seeing guys point machine guns at your family. But I have spoken to some of these special operations guys that have pointed guns at people’s families. And I have spoken to them. And I won’t go into too much detail. I don’t want to get them in trouble. But their position on it is:

 

“Hey, this is nothing compared to how bad it could be!”

 

And I know that sounds like a, I’m not saying this, like a defeatist thing, but what they’re saying is:

 

“It’s just your turn at the moment, and it’s not even that bad. Get over it, soldier!”

 

And that might be hard to accept at face value, but it’s like, can we turn this around? What does that look like? The possibilities are infinite. What does it look like?

 

I mean, you got Nick Fuentes saying:

 

“Join these institutions and subvert them from within. And un-subvert them from within and get involved in institutional power.”

 

You’ve got people like Jacob [Hersant] saying:

 

“Drain the beast, or Masons.”

 

You’ve got like “put the system under siege” mentality. You’ve got people saying the exact opposite of Fuentes. And I usually side with that mentality. I say:

 

“Don’t join the police, don’t join the army!”

 

But some people are going to do that regardless of whether we tell them to or not. And there’s a lot of good, spirited young men that aren’t listening to us. We have a relatively small audience compared to Tommy Robinson or compared to the mainstream media. And so they’re going to do it.

 

And so it’s like, how do we jujitsu that? That’s probably a bad way of putting it, but how do we mobilise that into political victory downstream?

 

[1:07:53]

 

And so, yes, they are getting lectured. They are getting lectured. But the Soviet Union, before it collapsed, lectured a lot of people on Soviet values. It doesn’t last! Their regime’s not going to last. You know, they can talk about LGBT rights and:

 

“The greatest threat to democracy are these neo-Nazi guys like Thomas Sewell!”

 

And there’s a lot of guys in these institutions that are secretly in the group chat going like:

 

“Thomas Sewell’s a legend!”

 

So they’re not falling for it. Those that are falling for it want to fall for it. You know that guy that threatened, that cop that threatened to kill my boys in South Australia? He’s a lil’ Reddit, you know, low IQ, fucking hive mind, you know, cuck boy! I would say he’s in the minority now. It’s a good point. Golden Dawn, it’s a good case study. Golden Dawn, allegedly 50% of the riot police in Greece were members of Golden Dawn. And the riot police still acted in regards to the Greek government in shutting down Golden Dawn.

 

But you know that that’s obviously a very bad statistic. You’ve got 50% control of the police members of your political party and your political party still gets banned? How do we deal with this, Mark? How do we move forward?

 

Mark Collett: I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you! I think you’re talking nonsense mate! And I’ll tell you why.

 

Here in Britain, the police force, and this is why you need to be slightly more open to what I’m saying. Here in Britain, the police force who are there to protect and serve, social services who are charged with specifically children’s welfare and looking after children, okay? They, between them, along with other government groups, conspired not only to cover up the greatest case of organised mass rape Britain has ever seen! Where more than a hundred thousand White British girls have been sexually abused, raped, trafficked, even murdered by Muslim men. And the police and social services conspired to cover it up.

 

But not only did they conspire to cover it up, they also worked relentlessly to brutalise, harassment, silence, arrest any people including parents groups, political organisations, who tried to blow the whistle on what was happening. Now I think the idea that secretly amongst these police forces that cover up these crimes, harass us, and silence genuine victims of anti-White crime, amongst these police forces there’s just ranks and ranks of them ready to take up arms with us. I think that is wishful thinking to the greatest degree!

 

And I think secondly, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I didn’t say about England, you know how I feel about British police.

 

Mark Collett: But I think the police force in Australia would be the same. And I think if push came to, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I think it’s turning that way. No, I think it’s absolutely turning that way!

 

Mark Collett: If push came to shove and the government declared you a terrorist group and told the police that anyone who’d ever been a member of NSN had to be rounded up tomorrow, the police would eagerly do it. And then I think if, …

 

Thomas Sewell: They would do it.

 

Mark Collett: If they ordered the army to assist, I think the army would do it too.

 

Thomas Sewell: They probably would too.

 

Mark Collett: So at that point, yeah, so at that point you’re dealing with hostile people.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And I would say this, I don’t know what goes on exactly in Australia with non-White criminality or anti-White crime. But it wouldn’t shock me if there wasn’t cover ups going on now. And I’ll tell you why.

 

There have been cover ups in France with these church burnings. There have been mass cover ups in Germany around crimes specifically related to Turkish criminals, gangsters groups bringing in firearms from Turkey and controlling the criminal underworld in Germany. And I would find it to be very strange if all these cover ups were taking place in European nations, but weren’t taking place in Australia.

 

And I think we’re living in a world now where people who work for the system, especially those in law enforcement, are being specifically vetted to be against people like you and I, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes!

 

Mark Collett: And I see all of this as a package of people that are our enemies. And look, I believe in the warrior spirit. I believe in struggle, I believe in men being Hardy. I talk about this all the time. But if you’re going to be a warrior, you’ve got to fight the right enemy to be in my good books.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Look, absolutely there is institutional corruption in Australia! Is it as bad as Britain? No! Did we have a mass rape epidemic in Australia like there is in Britain? There’s isolated cases, yes. But it’s not anywhere near on the same industrial scale. Did the police in Australia do their job? Mostly. They did. When these rapes started happening, the Australian police and the Australian court actually like threw all these Muslims in jail. And there’s some classic cases that were popularised in the media where they didn’t actually try to do that here in Australia. I don’t know why it didn’t work. I can only put it down to the fact that we have an old guard that are not child rapists. And I do believe there is an old guard in Australia. Is this old guard dying and retiring? Yes, absolutely, absolutely! They’re retiring from the police force or they’ve already retired. They’re retiring from, …

 

Mark Collett: Just to interject there, Tom, I think we sent all our actual real criminals, like hardened street fighters to Australia, but we kept the child abusing paedophiles here in Britain, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And that’s why our entire establishment is run by child abusing paedophiles who obviously love the Muslim child abusing paedophiles. Whereas your criminals and your police, I will admit, may be cut from a slightly different cloth.

 

[1:14:05]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. There are 27 high profile paedophiles in Australia that are being protected. Including a former Prime Minister. I can’t remember the name of the files, but some people call it “The John Howard Files”. It’s not John Howard that’s in it. Well, he probably is, but he’s not the paedophile that’s been accused. But John Howard, a former Prime Minister, put a 99 year seal on 27 high profile judges, senior police officers, politicians, and one prime minister, and probably people in defense as well, that are convicted paedophiles and they’re convicted in secret courts. For the sake of the Australian integrity of the system these people have not been named.

 

And so there is institutional corruption here in Australia. And that’s pretty heinous that it’s from the top down. The fish stinks from the top [head] down. And obviously the Australian political class were just as deeply involved with the Epstein scandal and the Epstein files. I think it was Paul Keating’s daughter was basically like one of Epstein’s little girls. So there’s many photos of Paul Keating’s daughter going in and out of Epstein’s Manhattan apartment. While she was in her, I think, late teens, an adult, but in her late teens.

 

And so who knows when that relationship started, how young she was. And when he sold his daughter to Epstein to be part of the political class here in Australia. No doubt there’s mass institutional corruption!

 

But yeah, again we are, yeah, things, it’s all coming out in the wash when it comes to the, as you say, the special units they’re using to hunt down political dissidents are being vetted for having particular Left-wing values. And they are being vetted to having particular anti-national and anti-White values. That is true. That is happening in real time. I’ve seen it transform in the time I’ve been involved in nationalism. I’ve seen it go from one end to this end over 10 years. And the reason why I continue to defend Ben Roberts-Smith is because if this was to have happened right now, where we’ve got a great awakening and a great zeitgeist of thought and understanding, I think the attitudes would be a little bit different.

 

But when we go back 15 years ago, I mean, who knew what was going on 15 years ago? A bunch of conspiracy theorists on the Internet. I mean there was some anti-war protesting, but it was from the Left-wing perspective. They were protesting war because they’re anti-war in general. I’m not anti-war in general. And obviously I wasn’t old enough or an, or intelligent enough or well read enough at the time to take a Right-wing anti-war position on say, Iraq.

 

So yeah, I think we should get off the topic. You’ve had your say. I’ve had my say.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, look, I’ve got to say I want to thank you for being such a good sport. I like it when you come on and we have a bit of a back and forth. And to the people in the chat who some of them are saying like I love Muslims or Tom’s ZOGed, look, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I haven’t checked the chat.

 

Mark Collett: Two people having a reasoned debate, okay? As friends, neither of us are insulting each other. Both of us have been extremely respectful. No one’s even said the slightest insulting thing to one another. This is how movements deal with issues. Figureheads discuss them like adults. And if you’re in the chat insulting either one of us, you’re not really in the spirit of what we. Of what we’re doing here tonight. And I have muted a couple of comments who have said insulting things about both myself and Tom.

 

So if you’re one of the people who is saying that either, Tom’s a Zogbot or I’m a Muslim lover, well, I think that’s unfair and there’s just absolutely unnecessary to do so because this has been completely polite. And if figureheads in a movement can’t debate one another and have a reasoned discussion as friends, I don’t know what we can do.

 

But look, let’s move on. I think that’s about the end of the topics we were going to discuss anyway. We’ve gone an hour and, 20 minutes. We’ll do the Superchats. If you haven’t Superchatted yet and you’d like to contribute to the show, please do ask any questions. We’ll answer them. But please do be respectful. And the people have muted. I’ll unmute them after the show when they’ve calmed down and stopped acting like complete spergs.

 

Because I think both me and Tom can agree that part of being a White man is understanding how to control your emotions. When somebody says something that you may disagree with. If you can’t control your emotions and you have to start jumping around [chuckling] screaming and shouting like a madman, you probably not being the best avatar for our people.

 

Anyway, let’s do some of these Superchats. Thank you to everyone who’s donated so far. If people want to donate, that would be absolutely fantastic! It really helps me out and I think it’s been a really entertaining show tonight. And I love doing these chats with Tom, especially when we debate.

 

In fact, Tom is so good at these debates, I could easily schedule him for once a month to debate on a topic with me. If there was one, because I do enjoy it. It’s been a really good back and forth. Nationless Nationalist gave $5. Thanks so much. Said:

 

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“Tom is an Australian hero. Great to see his exchange with the female Channel 7 reporter the other night.”

 

What was that? I haven’t seen that.

 

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Thomas Sewell: Sorry, what? I was reading the comments. What was the question?

 

Mark Collett: The Channel 7 reporter.

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, that was months ago. That must have just popped up in whoever’s NewsFeed. The Channel 7 reporter outside the court that was like, behaving in a kind of fawning manner. Is that what he was asking about?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, he said he liked seeing it.

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, I think we discussed this last time, or maybe I discussed it with somebody else on stream. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, you know, politics is so boring, mainstream media politics and women are not actually used to. I mean, the public is not used to, but especially women are not used to men just saying it as it is. And we don’t have a filter. We just say what we think the truth is. We just say our truth. And women find that absolutely tingling! Whether they agree with it or not.

 

And people need to stop being, … It’s just more proof that you can. What’s important is saying the truth and saying it confidently and strongly. It’s not. You don’t need to morally police yourself to appease women or appease the feminine masses. The feminine masses, Hitler describes the masses as being inherently feminine. They kind of go with the strongest force. And if you’re giving them negative tingles, it’s ultimately a good thing. That’s more powerful politics than being boring. There’s basically nothing worse in politics than being boring. So just say the truth, say it loud, say it strong. And even people that disagree with you, unless they’re revolting, like Lefties, like, with blue hair, and they look like freaks!

 

But if they’re just like a normal person that’s kind of brainwashed by the Lefty institutions, when they hear the other side some people call it juxtaposition. It’s like when they hear the other side in such a way, it kind of rattles them, but it rattles them in a good way. Like, it makes them excited, it makes them interested, it makes them, like, pay attention. And you can’t say that journalists are, they’re obviously horrible people, but you can’t say that they’re bored when they’re interviewing me, they’re just like:

 

“This is what I come to work for. This is awesome!”

 

And so then you can’t get silenced that way. No matter how many times Left academics write article saying:

 

“Stop promoting these people. You need to asphyxiate them! Stop interviewing them!”

 

They have to do it. They have to do it! And so how do you counter Leftist academics instructing the media to silence us? Obviously they’re going to manipulate what we say. You know, it is what it is. You just got to play your cards as best you can.

 

Mark Collett: What Tom is describing is an interesting quirk of the female personality. Whereas men are generally most happy when a female listens contently to what the man has to say and politely agrees and giggles at the right time, women actually don’t particularly like that. Women don’t look for partners who basically roll over and just listen to them Prattle on.

 

In fact, women quite like men who are strong, can challenge them and hold their own points and show themselves to be dominant. So men generally don’t look for., … Well, men who are wired correctly do not look for a dominant female. They look for a female that is going to be basically their support. The person who listens to them, agrees with them, learns from them. That is attractive for a male. The opposite is generally attractive for a female. The female wants a man who will stand his ground. And even when she’s saying:

 

“Well, I don’t think I like what you’re saying.”

 

If the man states it confidently, calmly, and doesn’t back down, that makes her melt inside. Because women, generally speaking, if they’re wired correctly, do desire an alpha male. They do look for a man who isn’t going to bow to their every whim. That’s why men who get friend zoned are generally guys that agree with the woman who they like, incessantly. So they agree with everything they say:

 

“Everything they do is great.”

 

They can never give them any criticism. And women get bored of that. And they see that man as a doormat. No woman’s going to see Tom as a doormat.

 

In fact, some of these liberal women who work in sort of TV studios are probably surrounded by gimpy little doormats all day. And Tom’s probably the first man that woman has met doing her job, that is actually an alpha, and that just blows her away!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, a lot of the criticism I see from these kind of liberal men is the same dynamic as simping and White knighting. So even when you take the sexual or the sex of the journalist out of the equation, what you’ll find is that when nationalists stand up and they’re strong and they’re confident about what’s happening. The kind of men that agree with that are men that are wired correctly. There are other patriots, there are other nationalists and they’ll say:

 

“This guy gets it, this guy understands what’s wrong with the country.”

 

And they say:

 

“I support this guy.”

 

And then what you’ll find is the same snarky kind of like libtard Redditor beta males that would like try and snipe you in part of their beta. It’s part of their sexual, … Like you can’t actually separate sex and politics. Sex and politics are inherently tied together.

 

[1:25:22]

 

 

So when people see it on camera, when they see like a sexual energy within a political force, or a dynamic, it like obviously it excites them because it’s like:

 

“Oh, okay, I’m actually seeing this in real time, bleed together.”

 

But all politics is sexual. And so understanding that the weak men are always going to snipe the strong men, that’s what weak men do, they snipe. And it’s part of a strategy. They feel intimidated by the presence, so they’ve got to tear down the alpha. And it’s an attempt to White knight in order to win favour from the women. And ultimately the women don’t respect them.

 

Women don’t respect liberal men. Liberal men are like eight times more likely to see a therapist and they’re eight times, 10 times more likely to be on antidepressants and all this sort of like liberal men, they’re not breeding, they’re getting cucked they’re below replacement. They’re not wired correctly and they’re basically funneling themselves out of the gene pool.

 

Whereas like strong men, strong hearted men, whether you want to call that conservative men, patriotic man, nationalist man, whatever label you put on it, there are men that are wired correctly. And we’re reproducing, maybe not in our 20s, but most guys in their 30s and 40s are reproducing. We’re above replacement. You know, we’re having big families, we’ve got these strong values. And yeah, when the system says:

 

“Your values are wrong, I’m offended. Blah, blah, blah!”

 

Just treat it like the same you would in a relationship. It’s just like you don’t disagree with what I’m saying. You just don’t like the way I’m saying. It’s like, so just be quiet and do as you’re told! And that’s basically what fascism or National Socialism or ethno-nationalism, that’s ultimately a force that needs to be driving behind it.

 

Last night, I know you probably weren’t paying attention, Mark, and rightly so, but in Australia, there was a nonsense debate between Michael Nelson, one of the young Zoomers, and a Zoomer girl called Bass Blondie, who’s not actually blonde. And they had a Twitter space and it went on for hours. And I was losing brain cells. But I listened to it because I wanted to hear the dynamic because these are people in their early, very early 20s. And they were having an argument over, I guess, like, women’s role in politics. And it was entertaining, to some degree.

 

But, yeah, listening to that last night was, yes, fascinating! I could talk about that for a while, but I’ll spare you. But there is a lot of that. People are trying to find their feet and figure out what the right approach is for these energies. What is the right application of the feminine energy within the political sphere in totality. And what’s the right energy that men need to put forward. And yeah, I think nature is going to solve the problem. Birds and bees!

 

Mark Collett: So thank you. DerCherusker gave $5. Thanks so much. Said:

 

“Powerful episode. Hail to you, Mark and Thomas. De camp ist de vanta Aladinga. Struggle is the father of all things.”

 

Well, I couldn’t agree more. ThinRedLine gave $5. Thanks so much. Said:

 

“Secure the future of our people. One minute ago, Mark Collett. Mark, can you ask Tom if he thinks the Australian military would., …”

 

Oh, it’s sort of relating to our little debate. He said:

 

“Do you think the Australian military would open fire on Australians if ordered to?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, I mean, that’s, … I think some would. I don’t think they, … I think some would. The Australian military, I mean, we’re talking about 60,000 people. I think some would. There’s a percentage that would be just straight goy cattle that would. What is that exact percentage? I don’t know. Somewhere between 1% and maybe 10%. I don’t think the average Australian soldier would do that. No, absolutely not! I think you’re more likely to find a police officer that would do it.

 

And I think that was proven during the Covid lockdowns. That the average police officer, like probably more than 50% of police officers, if it came, if push came to shove, they’ll point the spear at their own people, and they’ve just been conditioned to do that. You’ll find that Australian soldiers were put in Melbourne, they were put next to police officers at military style checkpoints in these like 5k radius zones trying to block people from like going and visiting their friends during Covid. And I got pulled over and it was a cop and a soldier. And the soldier had his rifle on him, which is pretty like:

 

“Oh, that’s pretty Orwellian!”

 

And they pulled me over because I was going for a drive to see a friend, and I was way outside, I was like 40km outside my radius, my 5k radius. And instead of showing my driver’s licence, I pulled out my old like 10 year expired military ID that I still had in my wallet and the soldier just looked at it and was like:

 

“This is expired.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Yeah.”

 

And he was like:

 

“What are you doing?”

 

And I was like:

 

“I’m just seeing a mate.”

 

And he was like:

 

“Anyway, have a nice day bro.”

 

And then just let me drove off. So, I don’t have much anecdotal encounters with ZOG like with the army and the police. But I’ll tell you this right now, like a police officer probably would have fined me $5,000, but the soldier looked at it and was just like:

 

“Oh, he’s one of the boys, I’ll just give him a pass.”

 

But you know, so many people have got these horrible stories where like soldiers and police officers are pulling them out of their car and assaulting them. And you know what I mean? So it’s like it’s fucked up! It’s a really fucked up situation. I don’t have an exact answer for you. It’s case by case. Yeah, there are pieces of, in society that would turn on their own people. Would they open fire? Well, let’s say they did. Let’s run the scenario. I think you’d find that it would probably cause a civil war! I think you’d find there would be more people in defense that would be like:

 

“Why are we shooting Australians? I didn’t sign up for this!”

 

And it would cause a civil war. So the likelihood of it ever happening is possible. Of course, on a long enough timeline, anything’s possible, but I don’t see it happening in the current conditions.

 

[1:31:34]

 

Mark Collett: I think one thing that we have to be very careful about is although we don’t want to sort of alienate people in the forces who do support us, we can’t sort of ignore the fact that the police has become sort of more and more anti-White to the point where it would be legitimate to see them as a whole, as a rather hostile group.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yep.

 

Mark Collett: But the really worrying thing is, I believe, and some people aren’t going to like what I’m going to say here, I think the army is going the same way and the powers that have transformed the police are now doing the same with the army.

 

Thomas Sewell: Absolutely!

 

Mark Collett: And if you look in Britain especially, there is a massive, massive drive to recruit soldiers, as there has been police, from ethnic minority communities, which I think by its very nature would create a situation where the military became more hostile to sort of indigenous Brits. And I think that’s a worrying thing in the future.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, absolutely!

 

And a lot of people don’t see much value in the argument of trying to separate individuals from institutions. And it is much clearer, it’s a clearer propaganda message or it’s a clearer perception of reality to just address an institution as a whole.

 

And obviously the defense force in Britain and Australia and the police force in Britain and in Australia, they are institutions that are destroying our country! That is true. That is true! And so separating the individual or separating individuals out of an institution becomes messy work. It certainly becomes messy work.

 

So you, yeah, Australia is going down the same path, where, as I was saying before, I’ve seen two speeches now, one written and one visually, on video. I’ve seen two speeches from two of the most senior people in the Australian army starting their lectures with a “Welcome to Country”. When you think about the significance of that these Welcome to Country’s started, I don’t know, in the 2010s, like mid 2010s, they appeared out of nowhere. When one Aboriginal group visited another Aboriginal group, the local council would put on a little smoking ceremony. And they would say like:

 

“Oh, one group’s welcoming the other group to their turf.”

 

And it was just like this LARP [Live Action Role Play], it was this little placation of these two little groups of people. Like in Melbourne, there’s probably like 10 full blooded Aboriginals, you know what I mean? Like, it’s a joke!

 

And so it’s like one group saying to the other group. And then it, in a five year period, it went from that to every school started doing it on Monday morning! You know what I mean? Like in five years I went from this thing that no one had ever seen or heard of to every footy match, every school! And then within five years of it being in every school, you’ve now got senior members of defense, who have sworn an oath to the sovereign. Like the whole military is a hierarchy. You follow orders, blah, blah, blah. The whole idea of being one of the top generals in the country is you are literally a direct servant basically of the Crown. You follow the direction of the Crown, slash the Parliament that represents the Crown.

 

And so then to say that all of that is nonsense, to say that none of that is sovereign and that this is actually the land of the Aboriginal people and not of Australians, like to start your speech and then go and lecture people on national security, the absurdity of that! The absurdity of that! It shows that the fish stinks from the head down! The whole thing is rotten because this is what the leadership are doing.

 

Now, can leaders change? Yes, but we have to address it at its root, at its source. I don’t think the army can be fixed from within the army. We have to focus on politics. That has to be our trade. People that are patriotic shouldn’t, as you rightly put before, they shouldn’t have their patriotic impulses manipulated into joining these institutions. The same way they shouldn’t have their patriotic instincts manipulated into barracking for their local football team and dressing up like a clown and worshiping the football hooliganism obviously needs to mutate into politics or mobilise into politics, and it needs to leave football hooliganism for teenagers. And then ideally the teenagers leave it behind and realise politics is more important than football.

 

But you’ve got grown men behaving like teenage boys. And clearly the football culture in Australia, in America, the sports ball culture is, and don’t get me wrong, Mark, and I’ve said this many times, I fucking love football! I do. I love AFL! I think it’s one of the greatest sports in the world. I played a grade soccer for 11 years. My boys are going to play soccer. My boys are going to play AFL as well, I’m going to make sure they’re playing lots of team sports. I think it’s really important for childhood development, but it’s important for childhood development. You know, when you become a fucking adult, you focus on politics, not fucking Richmond versus Hawthorne! Like that doesn’t fucking matter! What matters is who’s running the country and why is that? Why are they running it into the ground? We need new leaders.

 

So, yeah, that’s we got to address things at the root. We’ve got to address things at the root.

 

[1:37:23]

 

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you. ThinRedLine gave another $25. Thank you so much, my friend. He said:

 

“I didn’t really hear what the situation is with Joel. Is he on probation?”

 

He’s not on probation. He was on remand. He is now being released and he has quite heavy restrictions which don’t allow him to use social media or even live with his partner and his child. A trial date has no doubt been., … Has a trial date been set for him?

 

Thomas Sewell: The Australian court system’s so slow. I don’t know, probably. Like sometimes, …

 

Mark Collett: He’s on trial and essentially, or he will be on trial. He was being held on remand. He’s no longer being held on remand.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, he’s now on 20, 21 bail conditions or something. Ridiculous!

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: So, yeah, he’s on bail to go to trial. Yes, he is fighting these charges. These charges are nonsense! Yeah, he’s been charged with basically a summary offence. He’s been charged with a very low level offence of basically, I think it’s “using a carrier service to harass”. So it’d be the same as, let’s say you lived in Australia, Mark, and I sent you a text message saying, I fucking hate you’re a piece of shit! Ben Roberts-Smith is a hero in this house. Fuck you! Let’s fight! Or something [chuckling] like that.

 

And then you just say:

 

“Leave me alone, Thomas Sewell. I don’t like these text messages.”

 

And I just keep messaging you and I keep harassing you. And then you go to the police and say:

 

“Thomas Sewell won’t leave me alone! He keeps menacing me! He’s a menace!”

 

And so Joel’s been charged with menacing. He’s been like, literally in the charge. It’s like using a carrier service to harass. But that’s just the title of the charge. It actually says “harass, menace, or intimidate”. And I think what the cops are going with is not harass, but menace. They’re saying he menaced Allegra Spender. And I think 94% of people that are convicted of this crime get like a $250 fine and told:

 

“Stop menacing this person.”

 

But they held him in solitary confinement in the most heinous conditions for 133 days or something instead. But I’m telling you, 94% of people convicted of this crime get a 250 fine. And for far worse things than texting, for posting naughty words on his Telegram saying basically:

 

“Go destroy this lady’s comment section. She’s a bitch!”

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Although he could have worded that slightly better, [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m sure he could have! Of course he could have.

 

But I think the argument. I think the argument that he would be making. I’m not speaking on his behalf, but I’m making an assumption. And this is actually the argument that I’m making is that I don’t believe in the female gynocracy police force. I think what he said was crude, but I actually don’t disagree with what he said.

 

Mark Collett: Look, I think when he said “rhetorically”, [rhetorically rape] he made it clear that what he was saying was get in the comments and make her feel small, basically.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: And they have used one of the words that he said to basically throw the book at him as if he was actually threatening a heinous crime, which is clear., He wasn’t.

 

But I will say this, and I’m not ragging on Joel. No, I’ve got to say this, Tom, because like I said, …

 

Thomas Sewell: The locker room talk! The locker room talk won’t get us anywhere!

 

Mark Collett: No, I was gonna say, be careful! Like, when you do post things and you think, in a moment of madness, if you think something’s funny, or a little bit edgy, …

 

Thomas Sewell: He’s learnt the hard way. Yeah, like, he’s learnt the hard way. Everyone said that to him. You know, myself, I assure you, myself and Jack Eltis told him, like:

 

“Hey, dude, take it a little bit easy when you’re, … Differentiate between posting publicly and posting in the group chat.”

 

You know what I mean? Because this is how boys talk in the group chat. This is locker room talk. This is how. And like, women that are disgusted by what Joel said, basically, shut the fuck up! Go fuck yourself! Like this is how boys talk when women aren’t around. And what Joel’s issue was not the way he speaks in private, it’s that Joel spoke publicly the way that a lot of people speak privately.

 

And so you know, don’t police locker room talk, but also be careful that if you’re going to say locker room talk publicly, the gynocracy might throw you in a concrete box! And I don’t think anyone expected it because it’s the first time anyone in Australia has been thrown in a concrete box for locker room talk!

 

So yeah, men are never going to change. We’re always going to talk like this. Don’t police us! Women talk far more disgustingly in the women’s locker room and we don’t police how they talk in the locker room. I don’t police how women talk in the women’s locker room.

 

But yeah, what Joel did was he did it publicly and they wanted to make an example of him. And that’s the gynocracy and they can’t help themselves.

 

[1:42:39]

 

 

I mean, I remember being in primary school and saying something mean or my friends saying something mean and the teacher gave, I remember his name was Tom Matz and he said something, he back chatted this teacher and the teacher said:

 

“You’re getting detention!”

 

And so he said the same word again! I can’t remember what word it was, but he didn’t say “rhetorically rape”! You know, we’re talking primary school, we’re talking 10 year olds, but we’re in art class. And the art teacher was one of these Lefties and he said a particular word that I think he said “spastic”. I think he said spastic. He said the word spastic. He said to someone else like:

 

“Oh, that looks like a spastic!”

 

Like we’re in art class, we’re 10 years old and I think his name was Tom Matz. And he said:

 

“That looks like a spastic, the way you’re drawing.”

 

And the teacher said:

 

“You can’t say that word, you’re getting detention!”

 

And he said:

 

“Spastic! Spastic! I’m getting detention for spastic!”

 

And she was like:

 

“You’re getting detention, that’s two detentions now, how many detentions you want?”

 

And he was like:

 

“Spastic! Spastic! Spastic! Spastic! Spastic! Spastic! Spastic!”

 

And he just kept saying spastic and he ended up not getting detention. Like the coordinator, the year level coordinator or whatever, like stepped in and was like:

 

“No, you can’t give him like 40 detentions saying the word spastic.”

 

But like she was trying to police this like 10 year old boy saying:

 

“You’re not allowed to use that word.”

 

And he’s like:

 

“It’s not a naughty word, it’s not a swear word. I’m allowed to say spastic. Like what he’s drawn, it looks spastic, it looks dumb, it looks stupid. Like, I can’t say that?”

 

And so it was like a fascinating argument. I remember the same thing. I remember teachers saying:

 

“Now look, if you say these swear words.”

 

Obviously we got to have some decorum, but you know I think there’s a line in the sand. Obviously I believe in decorum, but one person’s version of decorum and another person’s are different.

 

And if you don’t like Joel’s decorum, don’t associate with them. I don’t mind it. That’s why I associate with him. I kind of like his, I kind of like it a little bit. There’s a lot of people that don’t like my decorum. They don’t associate with me, so be it. That’s part of living in a free society, a so-called free society. You have the right to not associate with people. No one’s forced to be my friend. So yeah. Should he have said it publicly? Well, he said it he said it! And he’s done the 133 days!

 

Mark Collett: Because you don’t want 133 days! The reason I say this though, and I’m not cucking, but there’s a lot of young lads out there that think they’re being funny online. And the police have got increasingly high tech ways of tracking people down who think they’re anonymous. And in the UK especially there are lots of young lads now that police, Prevent, even Counter Terror go after on these things. And I just hate to see people, especially young lads, end up in situations that we don’t want to see them in. So I’m not cucking!

 

Thomas Sewell: No, no, you’re right. The right advice is don’t say anything in the group chat, you don’t want read out in court. So be funny, be a funny cunt! But one day it might be read out in court. So be careful. If you’re important, if, look, if you’re important enough or they want a statistic, it’ll be read out in court.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I’m not sure how to pronounce this. Alcion. That’s what I’m going with, gave $55. Thank you so much for your generosity. Is very much appreciated. He said:

 

“Good points being made by both. But as an American, I empathize with the valourisation of those that serve. Ultimately, the day will come where soldiers may choose to shoot us or join us. If we take the hardline view that every soldier is personally responsible for all the evils of ZOG, we’re not doing much to encourage them to join us.”

 

And look, I concede that point. We do want soldiers to join us and I do agree with Tom’s assessment on that you know, good people within the forces or even in the police force, we’d like to join us. And it is a very difficult position to both appeal to the public but be ideological at the same time. And that’s why debates like this are important.

 

But I think you covered that. I don’t know if you want to say anything further about that. And also there is also a degree of kind of double standards with valourisation that certain people throughout history have been called war criminals, whereas other people have been called freedom fighters. Well it is a difficult situation to wade through.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. The only two things I’ll say is I’ll repeat the point that I think ultimately everyone that goes to work is propping up the system. And so I wouldn’t call any man a piece of, for providing for his family if he was a carpenter. I don’t blame the carpenter for being a carpenter, for paying tax as a carpenter. And therefore I’m not going to blame a soldier for being a soldier, who’s a soldier. Some people are built as soldiers. Some people are built as carpenters. Some people are built as both. We can’t all be priests! We can’t all be political leaders. Some men just do as they’re told. Society functions that way. You know, that’s the point I’ll repeat on that regard, I had another talking point, but it just, I like wandered somewhere in my head just then.

 

[1:48:14]

 

Mark Collett: Thank you. Well, look, we’ve got loads more Superchats to get through anyway. So Never Smile gave $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Hello, Mark and Thomas. I wanted to ask Thomas what his thoughts were on Michael Nelson saying that young White men should be unemployed and instead focus on higher culture and politics. Is he secretly right, Thomas?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Sorry, I was reading the comment about Alexander the Great! [chuckling] What was the question? Sorry.

 

Mark Collett: He said:

 

“I wanted to ask Thomas what his thoughts are on Michael Nelson saying that young White men should be unemployed and instead focus on higher culture and politics. Is he secretly right?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Joel brought this up to me on the phone, two days ago. Because I can’t talk to Michael. I can’t talk to Michael Nelson. We’re on non-Association. We’ve both been charged with “violent disorder”. And so I made a video about two or three weeks ago saying that young men should do manual labour. I talked about a whole list of things that I think young men should do. And part of that list was that I believe that young men should do a period of time doing manual labour. And Joel said to me:

 

“Oh, Michael was upset when you made that video because he thought it was a personal attack against the article he wrote, called ‘Against Employim’.”

 

So he kind of like changed the word “goyim” into “employim”. And he wrote an article saying “Against Employim”. And the thesis of his article is that young men should focus on higher culture, politics, philosophy, studying things.

 

And in my video, I said, and I hadn’t read his article yet when I made this video. And the video I made wasn’t in response to Michael Nelson. I want to put that on the table. But what I said in the video is you can tell the calibre of a young man that’s never done manual labour. You can just see it in his character. When you’re dealing with young men, like when you’re dealing with a spastic, nine times out of 10, he has never done any manual labour. That’s a fact. Right? It’s probably more than nine times out of ten. There’s a very high correlation with it. They’ve never done manual labour. They’re a spastic! There are some boys that have got an old soul and they were raised really well by their dad and they somehow they never needed to do anything actually difficult in their life. And they’re quite well rounded. These are diamonds in the rough. This is a very rare occasion.

 

Most young men that have their heads screwed on and are, very strong willed and have a good character, and I have a robust attitude and are respectable. Respectable from a Patriarchal perspective, that are respectable from the Patriarchy. They’ve gone through some sort of hardship. It doesn’t have to be like a trade, like you can be at university, but even if you’re at university, there’s this idea of you have to be the scholar-athlete. You don’t just be a scholar.

 

And so when I say “manual labour”, I mean physical exertion in general. And that comes in many forms. There’s many forms of physical exertion. And I think you should do a whole bunch of them as a young man. I don’t think it’s necessary at 40 or 50 or 60. I think you should keep healthy, I think you should run, I think you should stay fit. I think you should do all the things you need to do to keep your body vital.

 

But you know, it’s not important for you and I, Mark, obviously I’m a bit younger than you, but it’s not important for us to go dig holes and do all the shitty work. You know what I mean? There’s some shitty work out there that you don’t want to do, but when you’re young, that’s when you do it! Sometimes you got to dig pits, sometimes you got to dig trenches, sometimes you get to dig holes. I think it’s character building. Call me old fashioned.

 

And so he took this as a personal attack and I can’t communicate with him and say:

 

“No, Michael, it’s not a personal attack.”

 

Michael Nelson has done many years of manual labour. He’s a young man, but he has been working a trade. He has been doing landscaping, he has been doing manual labour. And he’s obviously going through a process where he’s like:

 

“I don’t need to do this anymore. I should be focusing on more important things.”

 

And so I agree with the thesis that young men should not be focusing on being a goyim. They should be focusing on being, if they’ve got political capacity, they should be studying, they should be reading. And not necessarily through the institutions, not necessarily through the universities. There’s so much to learn and study by reading the classics, by reading the greats, by reading political texts and getting engaged in politics. I just disagree with the idea that process starts at 17 and never ends.

 

And you know what I mean, you never do your time on the gun. Because I see these young men that never do their time on the shovel. And like in the army, we called it “do your time on the gun”. Like you got to do your time doing the hard things and you just got to get that done when you’re young. And it was not an attack on Mickel. It was an attack on the spastics that Mikkel hangs out with. You know, Mickel was actually done is he’s built his character. I actually really like Mikkel, but he hangs out with a lot of spastics that are like 17, 18 and you know, [chuckling] they got a lot of growing up to do!

 

[1:53:25]

 

Mark Collett: My advice, don’t focus on politics and culture when you’re young. Get yourself a trade, get yourself something that is a transferable skill. Wherever you go in the world, you’ll be set up and you can do things. You know all these people out there that are sort of like super book smart but can’t apply it in the real world.

 

But then there’s people out there who are trained electricians, plasterers, even people who can just do sort of odd jobs and they’re driving around in a white van. People need them. They’re making lots of money, they’re out there meeting real people. Those are the sort of skills. I mean, a while back it was all about coding. People were like:

 

“Look, young men, you got to be coders, you’ve got to be this. You got to be able to write your own programs.”

 

Well, AI does that for everyone now. But AI is not going to replace an electrician, or a plasterer, or a plumber. You know, these jobs are needed. My advice is get something like that under your belt. Be your own boss!

 

And then if you want to be political and you want to be more face out, you’re not having to report to somebody on Monday morning because you got filmed, you know, at a demo. I think that you know people out there who can work with their hands and have got these skills, it’s really good!

 

Anyway, so Trancealot gave $10. Thank you so much! She said:

 

“Donation. I’ll have to watch the rest on replay. Good discussion guys.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Antifa Smasher89 gave $3. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Hi Mark and Tom. I wanted to ask Tom if he’s ever going to release an official NSN workout manual or something. I’m trying to bulk up and struggling. I need some pointers from the best lads.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Yeah, eat lots of meat and train hard.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, it’s not on my list of priorities. I’ve talked about it on stream infinite amount of times. Just figure it out. There’s infinity resources on the Internet. We’ve got limited time, so work it out, dude. Thanks. Yeah, thanks for the question.

 

Mark Collett: If there is one thing that YouTube is good for young White men, it’s workout tips and sort of combos of sort of how to train your muscles and what your muscles need immediately following a workout. Me and Blair did a stream about that as well. So if you want to check that out, you can. Kurgan 86 gave $25. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“I very much enjoyed this discussion. As someone who deployed several times to the Middle East, I certainly appreciate, appreciate both your takes on Ben Roberts-Smith. Wishing you to only the best from the States. P.S. Mark, it’s not partner. It’s either wife or girlfriend. That’s feminist speak talk!”

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s an American thing. Yeah, the Americans make sense.

 

Mark Collett: The reason I said “partner” is because I didn’t know whether he’s married to her or not. And also, I don’t know why, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Baby mama. Baby mama! [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: Joel’s baby [chuckling] mother’s out of control! Yeah, sorry, mate.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I got a baby mama. I’m not married on paper. I’m not married on paper. I just call her my wife. But we’re not married on paper. I don’t care what the government says. I don’t recognise their authority. Stay out of my family. I believe in the power of the family. I don’t believe in the power of government institutions over the family. I think they should stay the fuck away from families. I don’t think governments are designed to tell families what to do. I mean, maybe there should be a registry. Sure! But sign a piece of paper, it’s not the same thing.

 

Mark Collett: So we’ve got a Superchat here for $10 from Fight, Fight, Fight. And it might be a troll one, so brace yourselves. Well, thank you for the Superchat because I appreciate the $10, whether this is just a joke or not. He says:

 

“Hello, Mark and Thomas. I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of the ANM, the Australian Nationalist Movement and Jack Van Tongeren and what your thoughts are on him. There is a good movie called Nazi Supergrass about the ANM. And also a book. What could you learn from, …”

 

Thomas Sewell: He sent me his book. No, I write to Jack probably once a month. He sends me letters.

 

Mark Collett: Okay.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, so I know Jack. Yeah. I know Jack Van Tongeren*. Yeah, fascinating history. It’s fascinating history. I don’t condone the criminal allegations against him, of course, but it is fascinating history! And there were men in the 70s and 80s in this country. You know, Jack fought in the Vietnam War, and after the Vietnam War, he got involved in National Socialist politics here in Australia. And he’s almost like Australia’s George Lincoln Rockwell in a lot of ways.

 

But, yeah, he did a lot of time in prison, unfortunately, and he’s more or less retired politically now and corresponds with people. I don’t know how much more I can say about that. It’s a personal relationship.

 

[* Peter Joseph “Jack” van Tongeren (born 1947) is the former leader of the West Australian neo-Nazi group Australian Nationalist Movement (ANM), a white supremacist and extreme Right group. He served thirteen years, one month, and six days in prison from 1989 to 2002 for grand theft and arson, after robbing and firebombing businesses owned by Asians in Western Australia. It can be noted that he himself was half-Indonesian. Source: https:// alchetron.com/Jack-van-Tongeren]

 

[1:58:39]

 

 

Mark Collett: Okay. Well, I didn’t know who he was. I didn’t know whether they’re trying to stoke drama, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Jack, I think in the 80s, he got in trouble for burning down Chinese restaurants. Which caused a drop in immigration. It caused a drop in immigration to Western Australia tenfold from Chinese immigrants. So no comment on the effectiveness of his [chuckling] political activism, if you want to call it that. He got convicted of basically, politically, motivated violence. Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Restore Australia gave a dollar. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Hi, Tom. Total dropout. Senomax or do a trade FIFO in the time while NSN is super banned?”

 

We’ve already answered that, I think. Get yourself a Trade, mate. Reese Beast 310 gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“The two best nationalists around.”

 

I agree! [chuckling] The Shogun gave $10 and had a little man waving his arm. Thank you so much! Santandex gave $20. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Thank you Tom, for waking up Australia and giving us hope. Hail Australia! Hail Thomas Sewell!”

 

Thank you very much. Santandex gave another $5. Thank you so much, she said:

 

“Did Tom see Andrew Hastie’s office get spray painted with the words ‘traitor goy’?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I did see that in the news. Yes, I did. Yeah. Andrew Hastie is the worst of the worst! Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: The worst of the worst!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Damien Demento gave $10. Thank you so much, my friend. Good to see you here tonight, he said. I’m a few minutes behind on this discussion, but the Taliban aren’t the Bacha bazi* organisers. The Taliban put a stop to that. Hence why we have the Afghan perverts in England who escaped justice.

 

[* Bacha bazi is a pederastic practice in Afghanistan and in historical Turkestan, in which men exploit and enslave adolescent boys, sometimes for sexual abuse, and/or coerce them to cross-dress in attire traditionally only worn by women and girls and dance for entertainment. The man exploiting the young boy is called a bacha baz and the young boy is called a bacha. Often, the boys come from an impoverished and vulnerable situation such as street children, mainly without relatives or abducted from their families.]

 

And one thing I’ll say to back that up is in Iran, there is very little sexual violence. And it’s essentially because all of the rapists and perverts who were in Iran now do live in England.

 

So if you look at the statistics for arrests, Iranians living in Britain are 18 times more likely to be arrested for a sexual crime than White British men. And in Iran, if you are convicted of either paedophilia or rape, you get hung from a crane. Whereas in Britain, if you’re convicted of paedophilia or rape, well, paedophiles regularly walk free from court and rapists get very lenient sentences.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, look, I do know that, like Turkey, for example, their prisons are empty, and Germany’s full of Turkish criminals. I do know that as a fact. Look, Afghanistan. Yeah, I never went to Afghanistan, but I was in the Senior Company in 5th Battalion and most of the guys in the company had just gotten back from Afghanistan when I rocked up as an 18 year old to battalion. And look, mate, you can believe whatever the fuck you want. Like you don’t know what you’re [chuckling] talking about! Like the guys that were over in Afghanistan came back and said:

 

“This is what’s going on in Afghanistan.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Interesting!”

 

Okay. Yeah, the Taliban banned bacha bazi! Yeah, dude, believe what you want, man! You believe that? Sure.

 

Mark Collett: Well, we do have another Superchat there on the same thing. I’ll just read out at the same time because obviously it deals with the same issue. It’s from Evon626. Thank you so much! He gave $10 and said:

 

“Taliban stand here. The Taliban are the exterminators of the bacha bazi guys. It was the people Ben Roberts-Smith was supporting who do horrible things to little boys. But what’s happening to Ben is unjust.”

 

One thing I will say, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Where are people getting this from? What’s it like? I don’t want to be the source guy. I don’t want to be like, source. But, …

 

Mark Collett: No, but you are wrong about one thing, Tom. And that is the Taliban did prevent heroin flowing out of Afghanistan.

 

Thomas Sewell: No, but I’m not wrong about that. I didn’t mention heroin once.

 

Mark Collett: Okay?

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m not wrong about that. I never mentioned heroin. I do know about the heroin.

 

Mark Collett: If I wanted a government in Afghanistan, I’d want a government like the Taliban that stopped drugs flowing into the West from that country. I would sponsor any government that killed drug smugglers and prevented heroin and other horrible substances reaching British children.

 

Thomas Sewell: The Taliban didn’t ban heroin because it negatively affected British children. The Taliban banned heroin because it was affecting Afghani children. So like that’s why they banned heroin. It’s not because they like got this universal morality and they want to like help Britain. The Taliban banned heroin because heroin was destroying Afghanistan. And I’ve actually heard that from Afghani taxi drivers over the last 10 years, multiple times, that:

 

“They had family members, blah, blah, blah. It’s a big problem, problem. And it was good that they did that they had public support. That’s what people wanted.”

 

But yeah, that’s heroin. That’s a different discussion. Once you get out of the major cities in Afghanistan, you get up into the mountains, doesn’t matter. Taliban, ANA, non-Affiliated. They’re all doing it. It’s in their culture. It’s in their culture! It’s not like it’s not a political party that is in agreeance of it and there’s a political party that’s against it. They’re all doing it! It’s in their culture. It’s man-love Friday. If they can’t get their hands on a boy, they’ll just get the youngest soldier and they’ll do it to him. Like it’s in their culture. It’s how they’re built. They’re sick! I don’t want anything to do with these people. Mark!

 

Turkey. Yeah, okay. You know, Turkish people are like 40%, Greek like ethnically they’re Muslims and you know, they’ve got a mix of DNA. They’re all mongrelized. There’s plenty of Turkish people that are civilised that want to try to pretend they’re an extension of Europe. And then there’s a whole bunch that are just rabid Arabs and Turkic people basically Central Asian people that have colonised that region. So Turkey’s a bit of a fuck-fight. And obviously they just deport all their sex pests. Iran probably deports all their sex pests or kills them. You know, the Middle East has a policy because they’re a giant rape gang of getting rid of, breeding out through their barbaric people. If they’ve got barbaric people and there’s another country that’ll accept them. That’s just how they expand. Now it’s somebody else’s problem. It’s a form of warfare. It’s a form of jihad. It’s in the Quran!

 

So yeah, I mean, Afghanistan, fuck! I don’t know, what is this BRICS propaganda Mark? What’s going on? Why are people defending bacha bazi enjoyers?

 

[2:05:54]

 

Mark Collett: No, they’re saying, … Look, I’ve actually looked this up and it does say:

 

“The Taliban officially banned bacha bazi, the sexual exploitation of young boys, doing their first rule in 1996-2001 and again upon their return to power in 2021. The practice is considered haram under their interpretation of Sharia law. And they have historically threatened perpetrators with severe punishment, including death.”

 

Thomas Sewell: They probably just. Again, it’s one of those selective laws that if you’re a political enemy of the Taliban, it’ll be used against you. But then they’re doing it themselves.

 

Mark Collett: I don’t know.

 

Thomas Sewell: I mean, the Taliban were doing this.

 

Mark Collett: There are lots of people in the chat saying that they outlawed it. I’ve looked it up and they said they have and I can’t, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: I’m not saying there isn’t sexual abuse that ever goes on, but it does appear to be dealt with far more seriously by the Taliban than it is by British courts. Let’s put it like that.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Okay. I’d agree with that because British courts are fucked, certainly. Mark, I’m not against Ben Roberts-Smith being deployed to England to take out the British courts. [chuckling] I’m not against that!

 

Mark Collett: People who molested children faced a firing squad, I’d be a much happier man.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I think you’ll find that there’s a lot of people that, yeah, would agree with that within all walks of life. But, yeah, this idea that you know what’s written down on paper, … ChatGPT said that they banned it and it’s like:

 

“Okay.”

 

I think any government in Afghanistan would probably ban it. Except the one that we propped up. Yeah. At the end of the day, it’s like, what’s that meme where it’s like the two castles and it’s like, our castle is great and your castle sucks! And then they’re like, our castle is great and your castle sucks! It’s like the ANA and the Taliban. It’s like:

 

“You rape boys, you’re horrible people!”

 

And then it’s like:

 

“You rape boys, you’re horrible people!”

 

And it’s like:

 

“We don’t rape boys. We don’t rape boys!”

 

It’s like, ANA, Taliban. Same thing. Same thing, Mark. That’s what all these people in your comment section need to get through their head. ANA, Taliban, …

 

Mark Collett: No, I just agree with you. I think the people in the comment section are right over this. I think fundamentally, if the Taliban are killing child abusers and preventing heroin flowing out of Afghanistan, they’re two positives, and I’ve got to be on their side! [chuckling] You know, when it comes down to it, if there are people out there who have an intention of flooding the West with narcotics or shipping people to the West who abuse children, I’m against that. But if there are foreign groups who have some kind of honour system that results in paedophiles being dealt with in the most harsh way possible, I’m gonna call that out as a good thing.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, of course. I don’t want to get into the whole thing again, but I think if we go back to the West, getting involved, we have to go back to 2001 to flesh this whole thing out. If you go all the way back to 2001, you know, there was a list of demands. Obviously, it was a setup. You know, ZOG wanted to go in. I can’t say what would have happened or could have happened in 2001, … The Taliban have come to power. They won the war. Ultimately, they won. They’ve come to power again. They’ve won the war. They’re 20 years of struggle, and they won!

 

So it’s like the Viet Cong, they had the will to do it. I’m not going to sit here and say the NVA were the good guys, because the South Vietnamese were corrupt and they were serving ZOG and blah, blah, blah. Like, I’m just not going to do it, Mark!

 

I mean, I don’t think the NVA were the good guys. I don’t think the Viet Cong were the good guys. They won, but I don’t think they were the good guys.

 

Mark Collett: I didn’t say the Viet Cong were.

 

Thomas Sewell: But there would have been the same arguments. I don’t know what they would have been. But I’m sure at Woodstock, the same argument was made that the NVA they’re actually the ones stopping child exploitation, and they passed a law that said children can’t work in sugar mills, and that South Vietnamese government, they’re okay with child exploitation. Okay, next topic. You know what I mean?

 

[2:10:21]

 

 

Mark Collett: Well, I think that’s a slightly reductive thing to say.

 

Thomas Sewell: And the same thing. Heroin was coming out of Vietnam. It’s the same talk. In my opinion it’s the same talking points as the anti-war crowd, the peace movement, the hippie movement. That’s just my opinion. Yeah, people can decide what they want of it. I don’t want to get caught in the weeds about, I think an easier conversation is Saddam, all right, Saddam tortured people. Saddam did horrible things.

 

But ultimately like Saddam, like was good for us. I mean it was good having a Baathist party in the Middle East. I don’t think Saddam was the evil, horrible human that the ZOG made him out to be. I think it was a mistake going into Iraq. I think that’s a much easier conversation. The majority of, …

 

Mark Collett: Do you believe that the Twin Towers were blown up by Al Qaeda Muslims or do you think it was Israeli false flag?

 

Thomas Sewell: I believe both. I believe both are true at the same time. I think both are true at the same time. I think that they did do it. I think Al Qaeda was involved in it and that ZOG and Mossad, well, same thing. But I believe Mossad and the US State Department were in on it. They allowed it to happen. And I do believe there were explosives in the towers.* I think that’s the evidence points to that. And I believe that both things can happen simultaneously.

 

[* More than just “explosives”. The Twin Towers were wired top to bottom to blow out every floor to ground level, aka, “Controlled Demolition”. Dozens of planes could have hit the buildings and it would still be standing. Then we have the controlled demolition (bottom up) of the third building, Building 7, in the afternoon.]

 

I do believe that ASIO [Australian Security Intelligence Organisation] knew that these Muslim guys were going to shoot up Bondi. I believe 100% ASIO knew. I don’t think ASIO told them to do it, but I believe that there are people that want to go kill jews, and these two Muslim guys, I can’t remember their name, Navan [Naveed Akram and his father, Sajid Akram] or some shit, I can’t remember. But these two Indian Muslims in Australia went to Bondi and they shot up a bunch of people, especially jews, and they did it because they hated jews and they were sympathizers with ISIS. And I believe that ASIO and the police let them do it.

 

So I believe that both conspiracies, I believe that the mainstream story about what happened and the conspiracy, the so-called conspiracy theory, I believe they can be simultaneously true.

 

So I believe that 911* was organised by Mossad, but I do believe that there would have been like, … I don’t think Al Qaeda** was like these good guys growing candy in the forest in Afghanistan. [chuckling] Like I think they were bad guys on both sides. I think its hands across the Judeo-Muslim-Islam I believe its hands across the Great Satan to try to bring down the West.

 

You know, I think the passport thing is ridiculous!

 

[* 9/11: A false flag (foreshadowed in the earlier PNACx document stating that a ‘Pearl Harbor’ type event was required to get the American public on board for US hegemonic expansion] carried out by ZOG with Israel being the lead behind its planning and execution. The aim was to unleash the War OF Terror on the countries around Israel, among other aims. See Also links below, especially the work by Christopher Bollyn.]

 

The Realist Report with Christopher Bollyn – Sep 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

[** Al Qaeda was a CIA operation and it never claimed responsibility for anything to do with 9/11. Even the FBI never had Bin Laden as involved with 9/11. The “19 Arabs” narrative were just part of the false flag operation and were Mossad operatives to dupe the public.]

 

Mark Collett: Al Qaeda were essentially funded, built and armed by the West!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, yes, yes, that’s true.

 

Mark Collett: I think what we’re talking about here, where we’re definitely on the same page, or we should be, is I believe all of these interventions in Afghanistan, they were foreign policy failures. Whether we’re funding them, whether we’re killing them. Just leave them alone. Quarantine them. Never let them come here. We never need to go there. [chuckling] Leave them just to get on with, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I’ll never say never. I’ll never say never.

 

Mark Collett: I don’t want to go there!

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, look, if we clean up our countries, Europe must breathe out. Like I got no moral issue with we’re in Australia. New Zealand’s looking pretty yummy. It’s a nice place. I’m liking the look of New Zealand.

 

And once we got New Zealand, I don’t like PNG, but maybe we need it for some reason.

 

Mark Collett: What’s PNG?

 

Thomas Sewell: Papua New Guinea. This is one of the islands north of us. Where Kokoda was. We fought the Japanese and we got Australian blood bled into the soil there. There’s a moral imperative to take it, in my opinion. It used to be part of our protectorate. It used to be part of the Australian realm. You know, I don’t want to go too crazy, invade Poland and shit, then like start World War III, but you know what I mean I’m not morally against the Germans going into Poland. But yeah, I don’t want to get off topic.

 

But like, at the end of the day, it takes two to tango. It takes two to tango. We can I agree, yes. Al Qaeda was set up by the CIA. That is a fact. It was. Why? Because it was part of the Cold War and they were weaponizing the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Yes, that’s a fact! Did they have a use for them after that? Well, ZOG did. The State Department, the majority of American foreign interests didn’t, but a particular group did. The CIA definitely still had an interest in them. But who housed them? Who homed them? Who allowed them to build training camps? I don’t think the Taliban are innocent, Mark!

 

You know, I think both things can be true simultaneously. And they were told, the Taliban were told when 9/11 happened. This is my understanding of the beginning phases of the war. The Taliban were told:

 

“Hand them over. If you hand over Al Qaeda, we won’t go in.”

 

That’s my understanding. Now, whether that’s propaganda or I don’t know.

 

Mark Collett: But you are missing one point. They said they didn’t have him to hand over, and he wasn’t in Afghanistan. He was in Pakistan.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, he was later found in Pakistan. That’s true.

 

[2:15:36]

 

 

Mark Collett: It’s like me saying:

 

“Give me back my football. It’s in your yard!”

 

And you’re like:

 

“It’s not in my yard!”

 

I burn your house down, and then the football’s in my other neighbour’s.

 

Thomas Sewell: But we gotta watch Apocalypse Now! We gotta watch Apocalypse Now. Did you say you did a movie review of Apocalypse Now?

 

Mark Collett: I haven’t done one.

 

Thomas Sewell: All right, well, we’re going to do a movie review now, and we can have this discussion because:

 

“Oh, the Viet Cong, they’re not in Vietnam. The Viet Cong were found in Cambodia, Mark!”

 

It’s the same thing. It’s like okay, we should hunt them down into Cambodia. Like then we should have invaded to. If we want to follow this to its logical conclusion, do it properly. We should have invaded Pakistan, but we didn’t did that because they’re a nuclear power! We didn’t want to go all the way. We want to start these little wars and assert Western dominance, but we don’t want to go all the way. You got to go all the way, Mark. You got to go all the way down the river. That’s what Colonel Kurtz did. He goes all the way! And I’m Colonel Kurtz., …

 

Mark Collett: You would be a good Colonel Kurtz!

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m going all the way down the river, Mark. I’m going all the way down the river. Now, if I go batshit insane at the end of it, so be it. But he goes batshit insane because he’s not supported. You know, he gets cut off.

 

Now, I’m trying not to get cut off. I’m trying to stay connected to the my friends. I’m trying to make friends. Colonel Kurtz, bit of an autist, didn’t make friends, went insane! I’m trying to make friends. You know, that’s my strategy. I’m Colonel Kurtz, but I’m making friends, …

 

Mark Collett: Colonel Kurtz with friends, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m Colonel Kurtz with friends. You got to have friends. You got to make friends.

 

And it’s like, that’s the way I see. I don’t compromise on my values, but I’m following the Viet Cong all the way down the river. I’m following him into Cambodia. And it’s like the same in politically. And you know what should have happened because I don’t deny, I don’t doubt, like maybe he was in Pakistan at that exact moment. Maybe he was.

 

But the fact was that there was Al Qaeda in., … You know, we put Al Qaeda everywhere. There’s Al Qaeda in North Africa, there’s Al Qaeda in Syria, Al Qaeda in Iraq, Al Qaeda, we put Al Qaeda everywhere and, …

 

Mark Collett: We put Al Qaeda in power in Syria.

 

See: Putin: Who Created ISIS? — TRANSCRIPT

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, yes, we have. Yeah, well, we haven’t. But yes, ZOG has. Yes, yes!

 

Mark Collett: But this sort of leads back to everything, I suppose for me that underlines this. Is everything that we see happening there is basically pieces on the chessboard being moved by ZOG not to our benefit ever! You know, it’s just like, … And that’s why I just want all of our troops out of the Middle East. It’s just why I can’t support these Middle Eastern jaunts.

 

But look, we’ll move on before we get into the weeds. White Triple Six gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Catch this later. Have a good stream Gentlemen.”

 

Great to see you back, my dear. Thank you so much for your generosity. It Was Made Up gave $10. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Interesting discussion about Ben Roberts-Smith. Thomas speaking with heart and Mark is speaking with rationale. I think on balance I’m siding with Mark on this one.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Seaga88 gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“When are we getting the Total War stream? Joke. Thanks for the evening stream. Hail Sewell! Hail White Australia!”

 

I agree with that and I would love to game with Tom. He knows that. Delvian gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Great discussion from both speakers. Absolute morals and role model function versus strategic political positioning.”

 

Well, thank you so much! IGS 22 gave $5. Thank you very much. And said:

 

“Mark influencer Marlon was in London with his girlfriend getting food when approached by feral youth in balaclavas, possibly armed. How would you deal with these ruffians if you were in power?”

 

Well, if they’re not our ruffians, it’s just instant deport! I mean, when it comes down to it, London has become a complete and utter cesspit! Because White Britons have been reduced to a hated minority and chased out.

 

But look, equally. Look, I’ve got to say this, and I don’t know what Tom’s take is on this because I’d be interested to hear what he thinks about this actually. So we are now seeing these widespread youth events in Britain where you see sort of dozens, sometimes hundreds of mainly non-White youths like flood into shopping centres, just rip everything off and run out. But there are a small proportion of Whites who live amongst these people, act like them and participate in these events.

 

Now obviously we need, we know that the non-Whites need to be deported. But what would you do with these White youths who have become completely alien to us and actually act like the ethnic minorities that they live amongst? Are these people redeemable? Do they need military service? Would you jail them? How would you deal with Whites who have essentially become like either the black community or whichever ethnic minority community they live among?

 

[2:20:50]

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, absolutely 100% redeemable! Absolutely 100 redeemable! Wiggers, if you want to call them that. The young, the young wiggers, 100% redeemable. Penal battalion. You know, they just need to be put in the army specific penal battalion units.

 

 

I don’t believe in putting wiggers in prison. I’ve met a lot of wiggers in prison. And at the end of the day they just see how messed up society is and their survival mechanism is “I’m just gonna be a thug”. You know, that’s their survival mechanism. They’re post politics, they’re post morality. Like they’re just growing up in the dystopia. And if we can save as many of them as possible these are the 14 year old Spartan boys, you know what I mean? So what, they do a little bit of shoplifting or whatever. Like, of course they’re redeemable. That’s what 14 year old boys did in Sparta. And you have a society where shopkeepers are allowed to keep sticks and beat them over the head with it, you know what I mean? It’s part of the game.

 

There’s always gonna be rough poor kids. You know what Britain did in the past was it deported them to Australia. And I wasn’t part of that stock. I want to make it clear, I’m a first generation Anglo Saxon Australian. Like my grandparents, all of them are British. I come from British stock. I’m constantly reminded by the so-called Nativists that I’m not even an Aussie because ’m an import basically from Britain. But you know, that is what we did, that’s what we did. Like they got chain ganged or whatever it is called, I can’t remember the exact term, but they got press ganged into the navy and that’s why Britain became a superpower. We got these 14 year old ruffians shoplifting and doing this and doing that and acting like wiggers, acting beneath themselves and we press ganged them into the red coats and we press ganged them into the navy and we became a superpower. So yes, with good leadership, this is not an issue. We just need good leadership. We just don’t have good leadership.

 

Mark Collett: I largely agree. However, I do think it would have to be done on the case by case basis, whereby some of these would probably be too far gone. So if you’ve got a young White lad who shows potential and after he’s been separated from the bad influences in a military scenario, becomes good, I’m all for that.

 

But I think I will admit one of the big problems we’re going to have if we ever do become an ethno-state again is dealing with a lot of White people who unfortunately are very problematic in the way they act and behave. And if there’s one thing that really annoys me as a dad, well, there’s three things. First, if I go to the park and I see people smoking weed, they need thrashing! If I go to the park and I see dog poo everywhere, the people who have allowed their dogs to poo and haven’t clean it up need to be forced around with a leash around their neck and have their face smeared into the poo until they learn that. And people who bag the poo then throw the poo bags into the trees, they need to be told to climb the tree and get the poo bag out of the tree as I throw rocks at them.

 

And finally, there are people who litter! Now if you go to a park, or a beach or public area and you litter, especially when there are bins everywhere, you need to then be put as part of some kind of chain gang where you litter pick in the worst conditions possible until you have learnt your lesson. I think those are three good things for change.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, no, I agree with that, I agree with that. Yeah. Look, on my list of problematic demographics of White people, wiggers are, they’re the least problematic as far as I’m concerned. Leftoids, homosexuals, traitors, the political class, the police, you know what I mean? Like these people are like, this should be the central focus on when we take power, how are these kind of people going to be reintegrated into society? You know, how are we going to re-educate the people in Victoria Police? And how are we going to re-educate the people that are spreading “Welcome to Country”?

 

How do we deal with this sort of infestation in academia and in media? I mean like the universities, I mean it’s literally, you’re going to have to shut down the universities, like completely shut them down. No one’s going to uni for like a period of time and then just open up departments one at a time. So go:

 

“Okay, what do we need to reopen? Well, we need engineers. Okay, we need doctors. All right, so we’ll reopen the medical department within the university.”

 

And like, you know what I mean? Like you’re looking at the fucking curriculum with a fucking magnifying glass! Like:

 

“Okay, all right, that’s all good, that’s sorted, that’s back to normal. Well, let’s open the STEM again. Let’s open. Okay, that’s all good, that’s sorted.”

 

You know what I mean? And then you just don’t end up reopening 90% of the fucking uni! And you just convert them into useful things instead of jewish psychobabble.

 

So that to me, it’s easy to hate wiggers! It’s real easy to hate wiggers because they’re behaving unbecomingly, they’re behaving beneath us. It’s easy to hate wiggers. What’s hard and what’s courageous is to love wiggers! It’s hard to love wiggers. I love wiggers! I just, I have to, I love them because they’re just fallen men. They’re just falling men.

 

Like imagine I grew up like, I’ve got a father, right? I’ve got a father. And my father is extremely strong willed and my father has been raised very properly by his father. And my father went to a good government school. Like he went to a good public school. He got a good education and he’s got good values and he raised me well and he worked hard his whole life and he paid tax and blah, blah, blah, all that boring shit! And then I went to a good school and I was raised in the right suburb and so it’s easy for people that have had that privilege to be like, … I looked after “Resi” kids. So I was Ground Zero with the wiggers! I looked after the resi kids. And these kids, their mom’s a prostitute, their dad doesn’t exist. And like they, the primary school they went to, they were the only White kid in the class. You know what I mean, Mark?

 

Blair [Cottrell] said to me once in conversation, he said:

 

“But for the grace of God goes I!”

 

But for the grace of God goes I! When I look at a wigger that’s a White nigger, that’s what I say. That’s what I think.

 

[2:27:56]

 

Mark Collett: You’ve used the N-word twice now and I have to tell you, I thought the first was a mistake, but you got to sort of like yeah, because I don’t want to spend the rest of my life in jail because you got too excited on a stream.

 

Thomas Sewell: You can’t say the N bomb in Britain? Is that real?

 

Mark Collett: No, it’s illegal. You’ve said it twice.

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, sorry. All right, well you’re gonna have to cut it out.

 

Mark Collett: You’re basically putting me in serious jeopardy.

 

Thomas Sewell: I’ve forgotten. I forgot. I apologise. I forgot.

 

Mark Collett: Let’s move on to the next point. The Bearded Indian gave $9. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“There’s a car parts store in Brisbane called Panel House that has been making the funniest jewish store videos. The jews are going wild. Lol.”

 

I don’t know what that refers to, but thank you. Evan626 gave $5. Thank you so much! She said:

 

“Re thread hierarchy. Alexander the Great didn’t provide South Asians impetus to organise and strengthen long before invading. If Afghans are a threat, it’s not strategic to fight them now.”

 

I’m not sure, what, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, again it’s the whole idea of doing that is because Macedonia is in order. You know what I mean? And I think Mark makes a good point. Like our countries are fucked so we shouldn’t be invading Afghanistan. And that’s a good point. I agree with it. You gotta clean up your house before you clean up your next door neighbours or before you start policing the end of the street. I agree and in defense of BRS and in defense of servicemen, they assumed that their country was all good when they joined the army. That’s why they joined the army! Otherwise they wouldn’t have.

 

So that’s why young men shouldn’t join the army because your country’s not in a good situation. We can’t have that energy manipulated into going and fighting these wars. I agree. But if you’ve done it, you know what I mean, it’s already done. We’re talking 15 years ago he allegedly committed these things. He shouldn’t be prosecuted.

 

Anyway, moving on.

 

Mark Collett: Thank you. The Ghost of George Lincoln Rockwell gave $20. Thank you so much, he said:

 

“Cheers, lads. Huge fans of both of you. I donate more often, but as a Canadian, my priority lies with Ferryman and the Dominion Society. Thomas, my book collection exploded thanks to you.”

 

Well, thank you so much! The Silent Nationalist gave $3. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Great stream bros. Thomas, I was wondering if you have a Monero address so I can donate to you directly.”

 

Thomas Sewell: No, I don’t have any crypto-currency. I don’t have any.

 

Mark Collett: You should change that, mate. People may well support you with that. That’s.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I don’t have a bank account, so I wouldn’t even know how to access it.

 

Mark Collett: That’s a good point. It is difficult. [chuckling] The Resident Baker gave $15. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Evening Mark. Hope you and Tom are both well. Looking forward to catching up later.”

 

Thank you so much! It Was Made Up gave $3 and I cannot read that. Superchat. My apologies. Doing so would be illegal in the UK. Down with ZOG gave $3. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Hello, Mark and Thomas, I’m going to ask you this question on behalf of Time Now. Do you need to be Christian to be a National Socialist?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Sorry, what was the question?

 

Mark Collett: Do you need to be a Christian to be a National Socialist?

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, there was nothing before that? That’s the question?

 

Mark Collett: No, that’s the guy’s name. He’s asking on behalf of, …

 

Thomas Sewell: No.

 

Mark Collett: No, I don’t think you do. Look, I don’t think you need to be a Christian to be a National Socialist. I don’t think you need to be a pagan to be a National Socialist. But what you do have to be is not a retard!

 

So if you come to basically a nationalist, ethno-nationalist or National Socialist event and you spend the whole day wittering on about how you either hate pagans or hate Christians.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: That’s the kind of stuff that makes you not welcome at an event like that.

 

Do you know what? I don’t know whether you feel this or if we’re united on this issue. But I find little more tiresome than the people who just bang on about these arguments about religion. And worse still, like when you get some sort of fat retard in a toy Viking hat waving a me horn about talking about some transgression that happened to a Viking settlement some like 1200 years ago. And that’s the reason why you could never sit in a room with a Christian who’s also a nationalist. You’re like:

 

“Oh my God, this is just so retarded! Stop! Leave that at the door!”

 

We can argue about these issues once we’ve dealt with the issue of our country being demographically transformed. I hate arguments over religion. It’s like, yeah follow what you wish, promote it politely, but don’t turn it into a bun fight at my events. Your thoughts?

 

[2:33:04]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I agree with that. And we’ve always run a secular organisation. There’s obviously always been Christians and pagans in our Org, whatever we’ve been doing. I think ultimately Christians and pagans are going to be two different ethnicities of White people. They seem to be the only people in the world, the only White people above replacement the conservative Christians and the conservative pagans. You know, the nationalist Christians and the nationalist pagans are the only people that seem to be above replacement.

 

So they’re the two predominant White ethnicities in any given country. Obviously some countries are obviously very heavily Christian and some are not. Australia is not very Christian at all! They’re a tiny minority. It is growing, it is increasing. But so is just a secular worldview, a secular nationalist kind of spiritualism.

 

So, yeah, it’ll be interesting to see in 50 or 100 years time. But ultimately what I say to people is that there’s a lot that Christians can learn from pagans and a lot that pagans can learn from Christians. And there’s a reason why the pagan world existed for so long. And like all the great Christian scholars studied Paganism. All the great Christian scholars, like from, I can’t pronounce his name, Beatty [sp], Thomas Aquinas, like these people, they studied, they studied what the Romans did, they studied what the Greeks did. They were like:

 

“This is fascinating!”

 

They were absolutely fascinated. The guys that preserved all the Norse Paganism that we have or the Germanic Paganism, obviously a lot of Roman historians preserved it and then it was preserved again by Christian scholars.

 

But all the Nordic stuff we’ve got is from Christian scholars in Iceland and Norway and the UK a little bit as well. And so there’s a reason why Christians preserved a lot of pagan theology and mythology and philosophy. There’s a reason why they did. And because there’s so much value in it. There’s so much value in it! And it should never, it should not be disregarded as:

 

“Oh pagans it’s just a gay orgy and blah, blah, blah!”

 

It’s like, well, that was the late stage of their civilisation. It collapsed. And the same argument can be made about the so-called Christian society we live in today, where it’s just like LGBT flags outside the Churches and “refugees are welcome”. The same argument can be made.

 

So I think pagans can learn a lot from Christians as well, vice versa.

 

So why did Paganism collapse? And I had this discussion actually last night with some friends about how in my opinion, Christianity is the cult of self sacrifice. And what Christ represents is., … And I’m not a Christian, although I do believe in self sacrifice. I think it’s a governing value. I think Paganism and the pagan aristocracies that were preserving the pagan religions, they were so focused on particularism and their own family and their own cult of their own family and their own way of thinking and their own way of doing things, they forgot that there is a universal force that they need to kind of be aligned with. And it’s not just about the particular. There’s a synthesis between the particular and the universal. But also they forgot the value and the virtue of self sacrifice. And it became this attitude:

 

“Well, that doesn’t affect my family!”

 

They almost became like a spiritual libertarianism within ancient Paganism, which I think led to Christianity.

 

And so Christianity in some ways actually completes the synthesis of White religious thought or theology because it’s kind of inverse to Paganism in some ways and it’s identical to Paganism in other ways. And so where Paganism lacks, Christianity flourishes. And where Christianity lacks, Paganism flourishes.

 

So I think if we can synthesize the values and we can learn from one another, I think actually Christianity can be stronger if it returns to vitality, if it returns to Aryan vitality, which Paganism was obsessed with vitality! So, but then what pagans need to understand is self sacrifice, not sacrifice for just the sake of idealism or heroism, but the idea of, for people outside of your family, for people outside of your community, for these sort of more universal values.

 

So that’s my position on it. It’s a bit more philosophical. Obviously the basics are, hey, if you’re not intelligent enough to discuss these things rationally don’t bring it to the table!

 

But I think there is a rational way to debate Christianity and Paganism. I just don’t see anyone doing it. I don’t see like all these people arguing over Christianity and Paganism. They’re just literally throwing feces at each other and it’s, I think it’s beneath us. I think it’s absolutely beneath us! I don’t do that. I have my critiques of Christianity and people have their critiques of Paganism, but I’m not interested in hearing people’s critiques of Paganism if it’s not actually an educated position. And I’m not interested in hearing critiques of Christianity that’s not coming from an educated position.

 

I mean, people can express their instincts if they instinctually don’t like something. Sure! But I think it should be done in a respectful way. I think there’s a way to discuss it respectfully and I don’t see that very often. But I would always be down to have this discussion if any Christian out, if any Christian nationalists wants that, wants to do a debate, or a stream attacking this, or maybe “attacking” is not the right word, but going after this specific subject, I’d always be down for it. And I think there should be a space for it. I think it is a conversation that people do need to have.

 

And yeah, the divide that the enemies of White people would want to exacerbate, if I was the enemy, the divide I would want to exacerbate would be this divide! The goal would be to turn Christians and pagans against each other and to make them identify more with that than with their race. So I’ll break bread with a Christian any day of the week!

 

[2:39:09]

 

Mark Collett: If people put race and ethnicity first, that’s the important thing.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: That’s for me anyway. Trump has jewish DNA, gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Hello. I know this Superchat may be a bit late, but I was wondering, what are your thoughts on morals as nationalists? There are some nationalists that are more extreme than others, but where is the line drawn? Does it matter?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, that’s. I need to have a break if we’re going to go into that. I don’t know if I have a short answer for that, but yeah, my morality is more pagan than it is Christian. So my morality is about particularism. I don’t really believe in universal morality. I think you can apply it. But what’s good for my people is my morality. What’s good for me, what’s good for my people, what’s good for my kind, I think is what’s good for life. I think there is a general goodness for life. There is a general universal morality. But I actually think that it’s beneath the morality of the particular.

 

So, for example, I want to turn Australia into a more European biome. I want to cut down the gum trees and I want to turn, I want to plant, you know, oak trees, for example, right? The greenies will say:

 

“That’s immoral!”

 

The greenies will be like:

 

“That’s disgusting! That’s immoral!”

 

They’d attack it on a moral level, you know what I mean? Because they’re so obsessed with this universal morality that it’s like, you have to let nature be what it is. And you can’t dominate nature.

 

So there’s, in my opinion, nationalism, fascism, National Socialism the moral structure is a will to power! There’s a will to power! Like, no, I don’t have to do what nature demands of me. I actually can’t control nature. There are areas where I’m in charge of nature.

 

So that’s you know, there’s more cut and dry conversations. I mean, obviously we’re all on the same page that raping children is immoral. You know what I mean? Because it’s bad for us! It’s like a society that does that is revolting! It’s disgusting and it’s a freak show! It’s ultimately evil!

 

But then, yeah, I don’t think you can separate morality from the soul. Of course I believe that we have a soul. I believe that every human being has a soul. I believe that every animal has a soul. I believe there’s a hierarchy of souls. I don’t believe that a dog has the same level of soul that a human has. And I likewise don’t believe that particular people have the same level of soul that other particular people have. I think some people have a higher, more developed soul. I think that there’s a soul supremacy.

 

And yeah, I think that morality is to do with that. Like, we do things as White people and we behave in particular ways and say particular things are immoral, that other races are just like:

 

“What are you talking about? That’s normal, it’s normal to behave in that way.”

 

And then we’re just like:

 

“Well hang on a minute, we believe in a higher standard. It hurts our soul to behave in that way.”

 

Or it should if you’re not a wigger. [chuckling] But you know what I mean. What do you think, Mark?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’ve got probably a slightly different take to you on this.

 

So my opinion about morality, especially about Christianity is I view Christianity in a very similar way to how I view socialism. I think it works when you apply it to a specific closed bordered familial ethnic group. But once you extend it to people outside of that ethnic group, it ceases to work and starts to become your greatest weakness.

 

So for example, if I said we are going to have an English society and that English society is going to be both nationalist and socialist and that socialism is just for us because we see the fellow Englishman as family, it works. If we say we’re going to have socialism, we’re going to extend it to everyone who washes up on our shore from Africa, Asia or the Middle East. It no longer works. And I think the same is very true of Christianity.

 

So when nationalists who are Christians say that Christianity is a fundamentally European thing, the cathedrals, the arts, and that morality is for us, for our people and should not be extended beyond our people, I think it works.

 

But when you apply either socialism or Christianity universally, it immediately fails and becomes your greatest enemy.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Mark Collett: And before anyone says:

 

“Well that’s why Paganism is so strong.”

 

But I will say this sort of against Paganism is, I know lots of pagans who are actually new age hippie types who [chuckling] extend their Paganism to everyone who washes up on these shores! And I think any sort of religion or sort of social grouping or sort of social morality, whether it be political, social or economic, needs to be kept to your in-group, and then it works.

 

So basically it’s for a family or an extended family, not to be given and extended to others.

 

[2:44:53]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. Cool.

 

Mark Collett: Right, well we’ve got one last Superchat from totally awesome nationalist who gave $3.

 

Thank you so much! Said:

 

“My great grandfather joined the NSDAP in 1926. So he was an early supporter. That’s all I have to say. Hail Mark. Hail Thomas. Also it’s Hitler’s birthday in three days, so it’s time to party!”

 

Well, thank you so much! And we have one last, last Superchat. $10 from Delvian. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“On the Christian question, the space to discuss this is on CQ Radio X. Spaces on X.”

 

Well, thank you so much! I don’t really discuss religion other than furthering what I’ve said earlier because it becomes a bit of a mess. People get very upset and then they don’t like us.

 

But look, it’s been an amazing stream tonight and most of all I’ve got to thank Tom. It’s been really good! And I always like the fact that when Tom comes on we do have little back and forwards, but little debates. They’re very interesting. Tom, it’s been amazing! Is there anything you want to plug or anything you want to shoot out there before we close it down?

 

Thomas Sewell: Not really. I think we’ve had a good discussion. We’ve got to do Apocalypse Now. I’ll plug that. We’re gonna have to do a movie review.

 

Mark Collett: Booked for next month already, mate. Booked for next month.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, we’ll do that. Yeah, I think that’s probably the next. That’s one of my favourite films for obvious reasons. And I think it answers a lot of questions of philosophy, or it at least engages in a lot of philosophical questions, moral and philosophical questions.

 

So yeah, we’ll leave it there. We’ll leave it there. I hope everyone goes for a fucking run! And eat some meat! Yeah, eating meat. Stop asking me questions about what to do in the gym! [chuckling] Just fucking work out!

 

Mark Collett: It Was Made Up, gave $2. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Excellent stream. Thanks, Tom and Mark.”

 

Well, thank you to you. I just want to thank Tom again. It’s been absolutely brilliant! I want to thank everybody who donated so very generously. Thank you so much! And I’d like to thank everybody who tuned in and supported and contributed to the stream. The couple of people I timed out for saying rude things, I have untimed them out. So you’re welcome back.

 

And finally I’d like to plug a couple of things before I go. First is I’ve got a new Substack. I’ve done four articles on my Substack and I’ve got a new Substack article out today if you want to check that out. It’s about the new anti-semitism and hate crime laws being passed in the Ukraine. It’s about 2,000 words. It’s a decent read. Go and check that out.

 

And I just want to issue one last final call. If you are enjoying this stream on replay and you would like to contribute, it would be very much appreciated. Please don’t leave it all to the people watching the stream live to do the Superchating. Tens of thousands of people watch these streams on replay. If you do want to contribute and you enjoy watching it on replay, you can contribute by becoming a subscriber on Rumble or leaving a donation through Entropy. They’re very much appreciated and that helps me to continue doing the vast amount of work I do. And just to add to that, not only do I do at least five streams a week, I am now committing to at least one. One new Substack article a week. At least one. So that’ll be another place where you can catch up with my work because I can churn out the articles far quicker than I can churn out the scripted videos. Thank you to everyone!

 

Thomas Sewell: I forgot one thing. I’m getting dairy goats, Mark.

 

Mark Collett: What? What?

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m getting dairy goats.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, dairy goats. Excellent!

 

Thomas Sewell: Dairy goats. I’m getting some Nigerian dwarfs. But I’m not breaking the world view. They’re just called Nigerian. They’re actually being selectively bred in America.

 

Mark Collett: After [chuckling] speaking all day about doing things to immigrant boys, Tom’s doing some Nigerian dwarfs!

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m getting some Nigerian dwarf goats. I’m breeding them up. 10% butterfat, Mark. Raw milk. Raw goat’s milk. And they got blue eyes.

 

So I’m going to rename them “Aryan dwarfs”. Not Nigerian dwarfs.

 

Mark Collett: Are you one of the raw milk, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I’ve been an OG raw milk cultist from the start. That’s why I had a fallout with Laura Towler and all this shit, because I was like:

 

“Don’t feed your baby, baby formula. Give them raw milk!”

 

And she was like:

 

“You’ll kill the babies! You’re gonna kill all the babies!”

 

I’m like, we did this for hundreds.

 

Mark Collett: You do realise that giving a baby raw milk would kill them. They can’t have anything except for breast milk.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s so weird! My babies aren’t dead, dude! It’s so weird that I feed my babies, …

 

Mark Collett: Your wife didn’t breastfeed them?

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, they did. They breastfed from 14 months.

 

Mark Collett: How long?

 

Thomas Sewell: The first one 14 months and the second one is still on the boob.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, you can give them raw milk after a year old, but up until they shouldn’t have anything except mother’s milk.

 

Thomas Sewell: They were doing everything that the government says you shouldn’t do from like four months. Honey, egg. Raw egg. Honey. Raw honey. Raw egg and raw milk from like four months.

 

Mark Collett: Look, …

 

Thomas Sewell: They didn’t die Mark.

 

[2:50:04]

 

Mark Collett: I’m pleased your children didn’t die, …

 

Thomas Sewell: They’re doing well. The government’s lying, Mark! They’re not just lying. [chuckling] ZOG is lying to you, Mark! [chuckling] Look, what happened when people couldn’t breastfeed back in the day. What they did was they got raw goat’s milk. That’s actually what they did. There was no such thing as baby formula in 1930, Mark. They got raw goat’s milk. They got a goat and they got the baby on the teat. That’s what they did. It was raw goat’s milk. That’s a fact, Mark. Look it up! ZOG, the Rothschilds want you, … There’s no enzymes in baby formula, dude! There’s no enzymes. Baby formula is made in a factory.

 

Mark Collett: Enzymes in goat’s milk would be no good for a baby because, …

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s not as good as breast milk. You’re right. It’s not as obviously the ultimate thing for a baby to drink, …

 

Mark Collett: So [chuckling] you get enzymes, …

 

Thomas Sewell: You don’t understand goats, Mark.

 

Mark Collett: They’re tailored specifically to you.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, that’s correct.

 

But in the absence of your mother’s milk, the best, the next best thing is raw goat’s milk!

 

Mark Collett: Well, actually, when children couldn’t have their own mother’s milk, in England at least, they were given to people who were known as wet nurses.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, yeah.

 

Mark Collett: Other mothers breastfed sort of children within the community.

 

Thomas Sewell: In the absence of human milk, yes. Absolutely! They do wet nurse. And if you can’t find a wet nurse, guess what the next step was? They wouldn’t let the baby die, I’ll tell you that. And there was no such thing as formula. So I agree. If you can’t breastfeed your baby, find a wet nurse. Like because you can’t sell breast milk in Australia. It’s illegal. You can’t make an industry out of it.

 

But my missus, because we’re National Socialists, she was donating her breast milk to a White family. A mother that had an issue. She had a C section or something and so she couldn’t breastfeed because of her C section. And my missus was pumping extra milk. So breastfeeding on the boob our baby, but pumping extra milk for a White lady that lived around the corner from us that couldn’t breastfeed. And she was breastfeeding one of the neighbours kids, through pumping. Not like, their kid wasn’t on the boob, but like through the pumping. So yeah, I agree, absolutely! Like as a community, that’s what you have to do. If a woman can’t breastfeed, that’s what you have to do, in my opinion Mark.

 

Mark Collett: But you also have to remember, if you do feed a child under 6 months goat’s milk or cow’s milk, that child will grow up to be immensely weaker than a child that drinks human breast milk. Because a goat and a cow, they don’t, in their milk, the iron content is completely different to a woman’s breast milk.

 

And what’s more, a woman’s breast, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Breast milk, we went through this. Breast milk and cow’s milk need to have iron in it. A baby has iron from the placenta. But so that’s why babies suck the blood out of meat at six months old because you got to restore the iron. You don’t get iron from milk. You have to have meat to get iron. That’s why you feed your kid lamb chops. They can’t chew it, but they suck the blood out of it.

 

And also, I’m not arguing again, this is not, I’m a breast milk believer! This is not an argument against breast milk. This is an argument against baby formula. This is why I had the argument with Laura, because I was like:

 

“Baby formula is slop! Don’t feed your baby formula!”

 

And she took offence to that.

 

Mark Collett: Neither of my babies, they’ve not even had a spoonful of formula.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, no, mine haven’t either, but it’s not like I’m not encouraging, … There’s a straw man argument that I’m encouraging people not to breastfeed and to feed their babies like, cow’s milk instead. No! We just fed it on top of we didn’t introduce applesauce and banana sauce. That’s what some people do. That’s what a lot of people do. That’s what happened to me. I got taken off the boob at four months when I started teething and got put on formula and got fed fucking applesauce! And I am significantly weaker than the version of me that would have got boobs for two years, certainly.

 

[Tom could surely make up for those two missing years of boobs cs]

 

Mark Collett: You do baby led weaning.

 

Thomas Sewell: Like, yeah, we put a little bit of meat on their plate. You know what I mean? When we got them in the high chair, we put a little bit of meat, or a little bit of cheese, cream cheese. You know we make little smoothies, just full of butter and cream and raw eggs and stuff like that’s how we do it. So yeah, around the six month mark, around the five month mark.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah we started baby led, we sort of just give him anything that is in the house and see what he likes. I mean we’ve got a big chart of different foods, you know, chicken, beef, lamb, fish.

 

Thomas Sewell: We introduced avo pretty early, avocado. Avocados are really cheap here in Australia.

 

[2:54:51]

 

Mark Collett: My one doesn’t like avocado. His favourite thing is cheese. He’ll eat cheese all day. If you just give him blocks of mature cheddar, he’d just eat that all day. That and beef. He likes, he likes steak.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Well we found, I went and bought fancy raw cheese and I went and bought supermarket cheese and we found both our babies, they would, when they’re presented with both options, they would avoid the supermarket cheese and they would eat the raw cheese. And we found also their gut digestion was better.

 

But the reason why goats are better than cows for babies is the, it’s to do with the enzymes. The goat enzymes reflect human enzymes more similar. Cows enzymes and the cow. The protein is like. It’s something about the size of the molecules of the proteins in cow’s milk is much harder for babies to digest.

 

Whereas goat’s milk at a chemical level goat’s milk looks more similar to human milk. It’s more easy to digest. And a lot of people that are lactose intolerant and have issues with cow’s milk don’t have those issues with goat’s milk.

 

Mark Collett: So I’m just gonna Google:

 

“What is the closest milk to human breast milk?”

 

Let’s see what it says.

 

Thomas Sewell: What does it say?

 

Mark Collett:

 

“Donkey milk is considered the closest natural mammal milk to human breast milk in composition. However, for infant feeding, goat milk based formula is often considered the best functional alternative due to ease of digestion, naturally occurring prebiotics and closer fat protein ratios compared to cow’s milk.”

 

So unless you’ve got a donkey, goat is apparent best.

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m not getting donkeys! But I bought some goats, I got some Nigerian dwarfs, I’m going to breed them all into Aryan dwarfs.

 

And that’s just a little side quest I’m doing at the moment while I wait for the fucking High Court. So you’ll see how fucking prolific I become at fucking goat breeding and not in the fucking Taliban way! They do a different kind of goat breeding in Afghanistan. Yeah, I’m breeding for dairy. They’re breeding for love. So a bit different. [LOL]

[Image: Tom’s goats getting unwanted attention from some local “Aussies”.]

 

Yeah. Anyway, I thought I’d just throw that in there. That’s what I’m up to. Building the goat shack. It’s all happening! It’s all happening!

 

Mark Collett: Yes. But I’ve got to say, I do. I am going to put this out there because this is my show. Don’t give your kid anything, but it’s mum’s breast milk until six months.

 

Thomas Sewell: Listen to Lord Rothschild! Pasteurize your milk!

 

Mark Collett: No, because I’m not having anyone watching my show and then, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Their baby dies!

 

Mark Collett: Dying and saying it’s my fault. So my advice is that. And thank you to the two, three gifted subs from Donald Ductator. But I have to underline this and I say this with any medical advice. You know, I don’t give medical advice!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, yeah.

 

Mark Collett: So don’t do anything [chuckling] that’s going to make your baby die and then blame me! I don’t want that on me!

 

Thomas Sewell: Don’t start your baby on the slop.

 

Mark Collett: Don’t ask him about vaccinations or anything either, because he’ll be off on one all night.

 

Thomas Sewell: All right. I got a piss. I’ll talk to you later. See you. Bye.

 

Mark Collett: Thanks a lot. See, that’s it!

 

Well, look, thank you so much, guys. It’s been a really fun stream. Oh, we have one last Superchat from Al Sign. Thank you very much for $25. Thank you so much! She said:

 

“I just have to step in without doxing myself. I can tell you authoritatively that what Tom’s saying is true. Goat and sheep milk does not have the concerns cow milk does. This is why lactose intolerant people have fewer problems with goat and sheep milk as well.”

 

Well, thank you so much! I did not know that and thank you for the generous Superchat.

 

I am now left here alone reading out the Superchat, so if anyone wants to bombard me with Superchats, I’ll stay up all night with you. Otherwise I will just answer the last few ones. We’ve got three gifted subs from Donald Ductator. Thank you so much! It’s very generous of you. Anyone that claims the gifted subs, please do keep them up. It has been three hours. Thomas has had to go before we get into all of the other things. It has been a fun stream. Thank you to Thomas, thank you to everyone who donated so generously, and thank you to everyone who tuned in and supported the stream in any way. I hope you have a great weekend. You know, I love you all. It’s been a lot of fun and hope to see you next Wednesday for Patriotic Weekly Review. And we’ll get Tom back for that review next month of Apocalypse Now.

 

Thank you, everybody and good night.

 

 

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Mark Collett
1 day ago
Pinned by @MarkCollett
If you would like to contribute to the stream, please use Entropy: https://entropystream.live/app/markcollett

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@nationless8nationalist
10 hours ago
I will donate monthly. It will reduce complications in my understanding.

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ThinRedLine
1 day ago
religious infighting is very counter productive

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@TheyOwnYouAll
1 day ago
To be religious means turning OFF your brain. The rulling classes would not have it any other way.

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Prison Ships
23 hours ago
Only Evil is repelled by the Light of The Cross. This isn’t rocket physics.

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@TheyOwnYouAll
18 hours ago
The light of the cross, really, LMAO.

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Prison Ships
15 hours ago
Ecclesiastes 7:4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, But the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

@Theos19
14 hours ago
Idiot. You came straight from school with only one lens to see the world and have no idea what you are talking about.

@Zangle
4 hours ago
The ruling classes have directly sponsored irreligion to sterilise White birth rates and destroy their sense of community and spirituality. You’re a midwit.

Prison Ships
1 day ago
All AntiChrists are “in” with the SatanicJeews which are repelled by the words of Jesus•Logos, “in” that falsehoods are only illuminated by The Light of The Cross.

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Sakiel
13 hours ago
Lol. First day being White?

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ThinRedLine
11 hours ago
Blond hair , blue eyes a less buff version of Blair Cottrell

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
As a Heathen I would rather live in a White Christian theocracy than a multi ethnic pagan country

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@TheyOwnYouAll
1 day ago(edited)
Paganism is European you dumb ass. And Christianity is a Jewish created HOAX used for thousands of years to have other groups of people do the Jews dirty work, while the Jews sit back and collect from both sides of the coin on everyone’s misery. Rinse and repeat.
White “Christian” theocracy, really, LMAO. You do know that most of Africa is Christian, as is Latin America. Dumb people like yourself don’t know that they are dumb, reason is they CONGREGATE with equally dumb people.
And for your information, no one with two functioning brain cells wants to live in mind destroying theocracy cult.
You Judeo Christcucks are the gift of stupidity that keeps on giving, and giving, and giving, and giving…….
And your jew Jesus character never existed, and neither do any bronze age God Gods Devil Devils mythological religious utter nonsense insanity.

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Prison Ships
23 hours ago
TheHolyChristianBible rebukes/ infuriates SatanicJeews more so than anything else does, and there is Nothing anyone can do about it..The Light of The Cross with the words of Jesus repels SatanicJeews and all Evil doers. This isn’t rocket physics.

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ThinRedLine
21 hours ago
I know all this I just want to remind you that most the 109 countries that expelled them were Christian

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LottaSense
16 hours ago
the church let the jews back in and protected them 109 times, too

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Prison Ships
13 hours ago
The ‘church’ can’t compel anyone, much less SatanicJeews to Love Jesus. One must first be drawn by TheHolySpirit. Pretending to Love Jesus doesn’t count in GOD’s eyes.

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LottaSense
13 hours ago
you no read gud, huh? Or you are just babbling some insane cope in the face of the fact that the church has ALWAYS, always enabled and coddled jews. The common people/ aka normal people drive jews out and then the church brings them back. Every single time.

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Prison Ships
4 hours ago
AntiChrists; unregenerate Queers; and c’rap’ listeners deserve an insurmountable Alien invasion.

@MaybeNextTime
12 hours ago
I hope you’re arguing for sport and not for logic.
Imagine having these people in charge of any society!

ThinRedLine
21 hours ago
I am not a Christian , a Heathen is a Norse pagan

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@MaybeNextTime
11 hours ago
It must, as it does me, frustrate you to see fellow ‘Pagans and Heathens’ stuck in a loop of negativity.
You can try Your best but some won’t go beyond the finger pointing and ‘blame’.

Prison Ships
15 hours ago
Anti•War Christians like Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s Liberty Fellowship are the most potent Anti•Satanic vanguard..This Righteous information would never show up on an AntiChrist’s algorithms.

@MaybeNextTime
12 hours ago
Saar Do not redeem the Ancient Hindu Paganism Saar!

Green
6 hours ago
Why the putrid hate?

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@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Charles Lindbergh as President 1936 would have created a better world

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@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
All the ‘influencers’ creating friction between Pagans and Christians are themselves AntiWhite or at the very least supporting this divide.

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Prison Ships
17 hours ago
Ones with the ‘gift of discernment’ will separate from All AntiChrists, not only their SatanicJeew vanguard. Intentional separation is no ‘divide’.

Jakim Boor
17 hours ago
Mark is absolutely right here. I love Mark and honestly there probably isn’t a person on the internet that I agree more with then Mark on basically everything or as close to everything that two people can agree… AND even though Mark himself won’t agree with me on what I am about to say, I will just come out and say it… Sewell is retarded… He is more or less a traitor to the white race… I don’t care how much he worships Hitler or whatever, he is showing support for “people” that would kill your white family on the orders of zog and not think twice about it.

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ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 white people lost WWII

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f 100% agree I think jews are trying to make pagans and Christians fight.

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Prison Ships
21 hours ago
Biblical Ignoramus/ False teachers are Legion.

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
The Taliban told the US government that They won’t hand over Bin Laden just for demands and that the US has to prove that Bin Laden committed a crime before the Taliban would consider it. That was the end of diplomacy. Maybe evidence was problematic to provide.

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@katana17
1 day ago
Problematic as 9/11 was a false flag carried out by ZOG, engineered by Israel.
See: https://katana17.com/2018/09/11/know-more-news-christopher-bollyn-the-man-who-solved-9-11-transcript/

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@vengeance
1 day ago
zog invaded afghanistan and installed a pedo govt that DID grow opium, both those things were outlawed under the talis

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@ERASER
23 hours ago
Good on Mark for pushing back on Tom’s nonsense. He’s completely wrong on this issue and started gish galloping like crazy. If you start white knighting for a zogbot fighting destabilizing wars for Jews (which causes the refugees we don’t want) you’ve lost the plot. Just because the individual soldier is some brave physically alpha looking guy, that’s so small minded and actually pretty gay. The people to be venerated and respected are those who have the courage to sacrifice by saying no to Jews and to speak truth to power against the system, not those who mindlessly behave like mercenaries for zog and get off killing some peasants in a far off land that pose no threat to you or your country.

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1 day ago
Tribalism that could be redirected to real white tribalism. Not football.

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ThinRedLine
1 day ago
fake tribalism

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f Yes. Like 60 years ago every day was ethnic free. Before the jews won WWII and took over all the media.

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Prison Ships
21 hours ago
TheHolyNewTestamentCovenant allows Jesus’ Salvation for pagan tribe members, not solely to Jeews, which is the reason SatanicJeews reject Jesus. This isn’t rocket physics. It Stands Written.

@HowardLong
23 hours ago
This guys a retard. Why should we nationalists celebrate a ‘war hero’ Aussie who went to Afghanistan and murdered a bunch of local villagers.
Wow what a brave man. An illegal, neocon war which in the interest of the J€w$.
If that’s your ‘national icon’ you need to reconsider your direction.

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ThinRedLine
1 day ago
You should only feed your children fresh blood , they will grow up strong

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@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
abrahamic dessert cults dont belong in north.

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Green
6 hours ago
We here in America need a strong leader like Tom Sewell.

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Caesar Avg
22 hours ago
My first thought about BR-S when the news first broke: He’s not one of us, who cares?
The way that the major civic nationalist outfits are defending this guy makes me as sick as their incessant Zionism. Do ethnonationalists have to fall for this nonsense, too?
Then that problem enters into this conversation. Sewell insists that the Taliban are or were ‘our’ enemy. The only enemies from Afghanistan are Afghani immigrants in the West. That’s literally it. No ‘terrorist’ in the Middle East is my enemy or my problem. No Taliban member who stays in Afghanistan is my enemy or problem. Never was and never will be. He only becomes an enemy if he develops designs on the West, and no sooner. He can kill as many Pakistani soldiers, Hazaras, indeed, whichever enemy he wants to kill, really, as he likes.
Amusingly, Sewell claims to reject a kind of universal morality… but then wants to kill off the entire ruling faction in a country totally irrelevant to Whites… all for what? It ends up being moral reasons: opposition to bacha bazi (which is a native, non-Islamic practice) and the like.
The point that guys like BR-S – an obvious ‘Zogbot’ – would gladly kill all of us here if ordered to by his government is the killing blow. Of course he would. Never defend anyone in the state, for any reason, ever. They ruin the lives of ‘extremists’ all the time: when they themselves end up on the losing end as ‘war criminals’ or whatever, that’s just desserts and not our problem at all. I’ve noticed that he’s already persona non grata in global media: some outlets are now only referring to him only by his initials, his name is being removed from everything within the country (a kind of late-modern damnatio memoriae), and the like. Clearly not a hill worth dying on.
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@ScaffoldWaffen
1 day ago
Well put me Collett

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@What
1 day ago
Yea collett has a silver tounge ill give him that. Bald guy is either slow or stubborn.

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f Goats that eat roofs need a stern talking to!

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Sakiel
11 hours ago
“Boomer” really is a state of mind.

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Wizened
21 hours ago
Great debate!!
I could sympathise with both sides….
Sewell’s argument was basically : forgive them Lord , for they know not what they do.
I do agree that soldiers may be able to plead a special case. Many times I’ve heard veterans say: you’re fighting for your buddies – the “esprit de corps” factor which is absent from civvie jobs.
But I also agree with mark , they are not worthy of our support any more than say a charity for abandoned pets …

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@Gustav
22 hours ago
They will make you fight their Jewish wars, then prosecute you for following their orders. That’s the fate of anyone who serves this regime.

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@What
1 day ago
jeezus, 40 minutes in and its hard to watch and realize this sewell guy and archtypes like him are either useful idiots or gladio type operators. And yea, its that black and white.

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1 day ago

Repost and like the Twitter if you can please!
https://x.com/Eagle_Pax_Max/status/2045247129140990168

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ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MaybeNextTime:5 I think our enemies do exploit the Christian .pagan faultline

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@JasonBarewater
6 hours ago
The Ben Roberts Smith case is tragic. Who is running the legal system in Australia? Do non-white countries have a legal system that attacks its own? I think not.

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6 hours ago

Kevin
12 hours ago
he made a lot of good points. disagree with the Islam focus. but his view about the warrior is 100%

Bleak
15 hours ago
109th like… Get in

LottaSense
16 hours ago
Its funny that dudes like Sewell think that ALL “strong men” are GOOD men. Its the height of delusional thinking.

SuperSquad88
19 hours ago
POSITIVELY FANTASTIC LADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT A TERRIFIC SHOW HERE, NONE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Konstrukt
21 hours ago
Great debate!!
I could sympathise with both sides….
Sewell’s argument was basically : forgive them Lord , for they know not what they do.
I do agree that soldiers may be able to plead a special case. Many times I’ve heard veterans say: you’re fighting for your buddies – the “esprit de corps” factor which is absent from civvie jobs.
But I also agree with mark , they are not worthy of our support any more than say a charity for abandoned pets

Wizened
21 hours ago
Great debate!!
I could sympathise with both sides….
Sewell’s argument was basically : forgive them Lord , for they know not what they do.
I do agree that soldiers may be able to plead a special case. Many times I’ve heard veterans say: you’re fighting for your buddies – the “esprit de corps” factor which is absent from civvie jobs.
But I also agree with mark , they are not worthy of our support any more than say a charity for abandoned pets ….

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DaisyS
17 hours ago
Abandoned pets are worthy of our support

Wizened
21 hours ago
Great debate!!
I could sympathise with both sides….
Sewell’s argument was basically : forgive them Lord , for they know not what they do.
I do agree that soldiers may be able to plead a special case. Many times I’ve heard veterans say: you’re fighting for your buddies – the “esprit de corps” factor which is absent from civvie jobs.
But I also agree with mark , they are not worthy of our support any more than say a charity for abandoned pets

Cone of Silence
22 hours ago
Have to make this a two part series, but I will say, this thus far has been an excellent debate and I can understand completely in what you both are saying. I will say though that it’s part of the human condition to be at conflict.
As a minority race it vital that global clan be United. The trouble is, it’s also part of the human condition that there will always be traitors.
About Ben, no one has the right to arm chair the actions of soldiers in events that require them, for their lives, to be monsters.
For me it’s not about actions I can’t comprehend, it about a man who was true to his country and his country is letting him down.
Thanks for getting Tom on Mark and to Tom, I’m eternally grateful for what you’ve started.

Nationalist Book Reviews
1 day ago
I left Australia a long time ago and have observed the country facing numerous challenges. I hope that Tom and future leaders will be able to address these issues and help restore the nation’s strength.

danzimmons
1 day ago
g’night °/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Good night Brothers and Sisters

scoobyburn
1 day ago
O/

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1 day ago
Good night all 14 o/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
o/

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
o/

scoobyburn
1 day ago

@MaybeNextTime:5 lol mass deaths from live stream

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
Lol nice stream!

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Chat has decided on feeding them the heads of our enemies

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago

@scoobyburn:1 Came for the news stayed for the milk

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1 day ago
TOM ARE THOSE GOATS ARE THE ONES WITH THE SHAPELY BEHINDS?

scoobyburn
1 day ago
feck now we are milking donkeys

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1 day ago
THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST REVIEW: GOAT MILK VS HUMAN MILK.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MaybeNextTime:5 will give them the right values as well

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
Donkey for the win! AGAIN

scoobyburn
1 day ago
cows raw milk is mint,,, tastes so good

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MaybeNextTime:5 that is the best diet

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1 day ago

@MaybeNextTime
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I second that.

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f or turn them into vampires.

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
Feed them the heads of your enemies

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
LOL

scoobyburn
1 day ago
although humans are the only thing that continues to drink milk after birth

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
Yeah formula is crap. Jewish crap.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 they do

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
The Milk Quest!

danzimmons
1 day ago
grow like a horse

danzimmons
1 day ago
butterfat is where it’s at

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f They do??! Those bastards!

scoobyburn
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 preferabley just the two of lol

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1 day ago

@scoobyburn:1 I believe they are called udders

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Goats eat thatched roofs

danzimmons
1 day ago
goats are fun, & have best milk & cheese

scoobyburn
1 day ago
marks melting lol

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
Nanny Goats kept thousands of babies alive. Still do

scoobyburn
1 day ago
straight from the teat

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
Tom is bringing in in Nigerians? Short ones?

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
Very fast over short distances those Dwarfs

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Niggerian dwarfs

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1 day ago
Waht?

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1 day ago
Great banter

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
“Hate Crime Laws” = You’re allowed to hate these people but not those people

scoobyburn
1 day ago
O/// good stuff

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
interesting discussion

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@What
1 day ago
sowell is kinda thick in the head. “they’re not like the other zog bots” lol

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Great show

scoobyburn
1 day ago
directors cut 4 hrs lol

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
o/

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f o/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 a good meme I saved it

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
Theology and Real Politik do not mix

scoobyburn
1 day ago
green energy but cut trees down for wind turbines

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
o/ the great grand father

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1 day ago
I just wish I had the better resolution one.

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
Mark would make a good Amish

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
True half of the pagans are hippies , maybe slightly less

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MaybeNextTime:5 I don’t agree with this’

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine
ThinRedLine save this meme if you don’t have it already. https://i.postimg.cc/3J0wSpZh/00000000000001.jpg

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MaybeNextTime:5 hmm

@George_Luther_Wickstrom
1 day ago
HaHa Sewell supremacy

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago
*like

@MaybeNextTime
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f I like fighting with both sides. I defend Pagans from Christians and Christians from Pagans. I just lie to fight

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@danzimmons:6 I suppose that was meant for me. Cheers mate o///

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Platonism

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
^^^

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1 day ago

@Jagdtiger:b I had to google it. I only know Davy Crockett. I was a kid when Miami Vice was running.

danzimmons
1 day ago
utopia °///

@popovacianen
1 day ago
tbh i think most of NS guys now days are agnostic or atheist

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 Dude, Sonny Crockett.

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1 day ago
*who

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1 day ago

@Jagdtiger:b wo is Sonny?

Long Knife
1 day ago
it’s not just that way when it comes to the Christianity Question, it’s that way when it comes to a lot of things (ie. no rational discussion to be had, just poo flinging)

scoobyburn
1 day ago
Christianity lakes race awareness, not ethics

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 Sonny had a pet one on his boat

@popovacianen
1 day ago
ey muslims are also people of the book lol

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1 day ago

@Jagdtiger:b OH MY GOD THERE IS AN ALLIGATOR IN THE CHAT???? AAAAAAA!

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
a good explanation Thomas

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
See you later alligator @MilosM.:9

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 Good night

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1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 Good night Milos!

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1 day ago

@danzimmons
thx [:prohibited:] George.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
^^

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
Race first

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1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 Marlon Brando had to profusely apologize for that statement and he couldn’t work after that.

@MilosM.
1 day ago
Anyway, have to split off. ‘Evening, gents.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
yes

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
Midsummer is pagan

@popovacianen
1 day ago
im agnostic so i dont really care tbh

danzimmons
1 day ago

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 oh sorry

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1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f Well thank you I was saying good night to Nationless8nationalist. He is going to bed.

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 tbh, for how much truth pilled content can be found there, there is a ton on it that is schizo and spergy

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1 day ago

@Jagdtiger
:prohibited: air Gorge. There is no wind Emoji.

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 i will watch it later.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 Good night

scoobyburn
1 day ago
no, just pro white on both sides O/

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1 day ago

@nationless8nationalist:1 bye good night!

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
No

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
George Floyd @utopia148800:6

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1 day ago
TOM ONLY ACCEPTS PIGEON POSTS!

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Tired. Leaving chat

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1 day ago
what the f is this

scoobyburn
1 day ago
mini tower sneaked in

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago

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1 day ago

@Philip.Kollberg
I just post :gorilla:

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
ok

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1 day ago
:joy:

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1 day ago

@Philip.Kollberg:0 don’t do it.

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
N

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1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 You missed out a lot of gems for not being on 4chan /pol/ Most of the based stuff on twitter originates from 4chan.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 A classic

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
With a steel brush

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
we do need a spring cleaning of unis

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1 day ago

@MilosM.
starts at
0:21

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
a lot of the lefties are just opportunists and they will do what the system tells them

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1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 I’ll post the link

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
without gloves

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Weed smoking is very annoying

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 Is there any source on that?

scoobyburn
1 day ago
poop waffen

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 Is there any source on that.

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1 day ago
*Mark

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1 day ago
HEIL MARKO O/

@MilosM.
1 day ago
the horror…the horror

scoobyburn
1 day ago
shave their heads make em dig

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1 day ago

@MilosM.
he was and he said on Larry King that jews run Hollywood. :smiley:

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 Col Kurtz was based

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
He did change a lot.

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1 day ago
Christopher “Hammer” from Blood Tribe was a wigger.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
re education or deportation

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
@utopia148800:6 agreed

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
Deport the wiggers too

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Being a hated minority is a real issue. Not a history lession

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
The Doors made some good music.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f I love that movie. All the NVA activity dropped to 0 where Kurtz operated. I wonder why. And I wonder why is that a problem.

scoobyburn
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f O/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@scoobyburn:1 smells like victory

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Col Kurtz with a wife

scoobyburn
1 day ago
love the smell of napalm in the morning

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Col. Thomas Kurtz

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 agreed

@popovacianen
1 day ago
why? this guy is a schizo lmao

@popovacianen
1 day ago
you can just trade you bald fockface lol

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
cannibal island

@MilosM.
1 day ago
Turks also have Slav blood in them. They still are not white.

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Yeah leave them alone. My space for us

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

Repost and like the Twitter if you can please!
https://x.com/Eagle_Pax_Max/status/2045247129140990168

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
The North Viet cong were for desegregation strongly. My race is my uniform. Still fighting in the war was a mistake. Distraction from ending the civil rights act

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f yeah I think 9/11 was allowed to happen.

scoobyburn
1 day ago
bbc found the 911 hi jackers, mossad remote controlled malarky

@popovacianen
1 day ago
not the taliban

@MilosM.
1 day ago
Afghanis send heroine to Europe and USA through CIA

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@scoobyburn:1 and the US government is arming them

@popovacianen
1 day ago
and no afgan was a part of 9/11 lol

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
they allowed it to happen

@popovacianen
1 day ago
truth is the truth wtf is he talking about i dont care if leftists were saying it

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
Yes @scoobyburn:1 in the 80s against the soviets

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
The funny thing is that the NVA forces committed a genocide against their native tribal population using the war as cover.

scoobyburn
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 beaners run coke lol

scoobyburn
1 day ago
cia funded the taliban against the russans in the 70’s

@popovacianen
1 day ago
nva were the good guys lol

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
oh thx

@popovacianen
1 day ago
afgan national army

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
what’s ana?

@popovacianen
1 day ago
ana and taliban are not the same wtf is this guy talking about lmao

@FriedrichC
1 day ago
sharia law aint so bad, we can get used to it

@popovacianen
1 day ago
your guys were working with pedofiles im sorry lol

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@scoobyburn:1 do they? I never heard that. What I did hear is that all the Mexican drug cartels are very pro israel.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
lol

Well Tickled Pickle
1 day ago
Muslims really hate gay sex

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Social politics is old school leisure politics

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
hijrah

scoobyburn
1 day ago
turks run the eu heroin trade

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
What???

scoobyburn
1 day ago
opium increased under the cia in the 2000’s it was still shipped to western countries

@popovacianen
1 day ago
taliban did ban bacha bazi and heroin your guys were working with pedofiles

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
life with your chooses. It is what it is.

@popovacianen
1 day ago
not telling shit to families is not very NS thing to do tbh

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
Unless it’s an NS government.

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
The days of not training for work early in life are over. A self respecting life is a lot harder to get. Pleasure and entertainment is to much of a luxury for the white man

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f lol

scoobyburn
1 day ago
ask the apprentice to sweep up after the matter, see how they go

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
too many spastics

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
censorship of the system is very strict and hard. Self respect is truly tested now days.

@popovacianen
1 day ago
taliban do manual labor

danzimmons
1 day ago
true

scoobyburn
1 day ago
i pay someone to mow my lawn lol

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
because that’s the kind of “people” they are.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@nationless8nationalist:1 They do it for a paycheck. These coppers would throw off their neighbor’s kid from a roof for that paycheck.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
probably

Obscure Truth
1 day ago
True.

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Just like leaving the system. In the same way you can find a honest decent job no matter how long it takes

scoobyburn
1 day ago
physicality makes one strong

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Old saying I am just doing my job. No excuse to torture the British people

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
everyone loves fresh fruit!

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
I just use :grapes:

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
143 in detention for upsetting the teacher

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
The BS legal enforcement appears so risky. You self censor yourself for reasons you imagine are there.

scoobyburn
1 day ago
dummy / pacifier

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
o/ The madman!!!

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
True. It makes it easier for self censorship.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
How do women talk in their locker room?

@MilosM.
1 day ago
I noticed that kind of talk also attracts some women.

danzimmons
1 day ago
lol

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
JOEL GRABBED THAT TWEET BY THE P*SSY

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
It was clear that it wasn’t a threat

scoobyburn
1 day ago
they put a chick in charge of the military down under, crazy stuff

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@nationless8nationalist:1 I felt so disappointed after Elon Musk said he will sue the ADL and he backed out.

danzimmons
1 day ago
sportsball is great for children.

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
The ADL follows you around and make junk lawsuits. If the charges are challenged. You find out its BS

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
yeah hooligans need to grow up

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
A army guy told me this. they get in your face. You fight them you get punished. Or you back down and corporate

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
True the system humiliates and tortures the white people to keep the intelligent ones in line. A peasant uprising rarely works

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Sir-Trancealot:6 Good night!

danzimmons
1 day ago
they have power because they are traitors

scoobyburn
1 day ago
they shot rubber bullets at people in vic during convid

danzimmons
1 day ago
g’night

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
The old adage is: the only difference between a cop and a criminal is a badge.

Sir Trancealot
1 day ago
goodnight all, take care early work tomorrow

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
Yeah I think the coppers are rotten to the core and they hire the most psychopathic people to be cops.

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
The officers are affirmative action hires. The ones who would not would face a lifetime of social torture.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 No problem

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 yes

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f Thank you Sir very kindly!

danzimmons
1 day ago
great stream

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine
Better keep training. Don’t want to be out of shape when the call comes in. :martial_arts_uniform:

@MilosM.
1 day ago
Women don’t like to have their opinions challenged. They like to circle jerk those in their own groups. The worst kind of women are those who always agree to what men say, without having their own opinions.

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@scoobyburn:1 yes agree

scoobyburn
1 day ago
news chicks love a bit of rough lol

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 I am optimistic as well, our time is approaching

Nazistka
1 day ago
o/

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
My grandmothers generation is when women had self respect. All the economic activity has been taken away from us.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
550 watching

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f We did. But the normie masses are waking up to jewish power and all the non whites used as a weapon against us. Now is the time to double down and not to relent.

scoobyburn
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f some things are to much for most peoples brains

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@nationless8nationalist:1 and racial awareness is selfrespect

danzimmons
1 day ago
with their dry wicks lol

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
mgtow

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
self respect is racial awareness

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
We all Appreciate Mark and Tom. And all people who fight for the movement.

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
You’re Welcome @utopia148800:6 I appreciate the work Mark Collett does. o/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
I agree

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@scoobyburn:1 yes, normies but we are making history they are not

scoobyburn
1 day ago
i got mates who will only talk about sport, stupidity is everywhere

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
Thank you for posting the stream!

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Sir-Trancealot:6 Yeah I think so too

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
True backing down is hard on the pride

@popovacianen
1 day ago
making west white is reasoned but then going after in mid east again is stupid as fock sorry lol

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
Can I agree with Mark?

Sir Trancealot
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 Maybe on Rumble chat

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
good discussion

Obscure Truth
1 day ago
Right.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
What?? Who said they love muslims?

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
Thank you very much @utopia148800:6 I appreciate it o/

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Being poor feels like your for sell. Nationalism gives me a sense of autonomy

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
done mate. Followed you on twitter too.

danzimmons
1 day ago
they’re most likely traitors also

danzimmons
1 day ago
fooks need to meet

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
good

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
If you could do me a favor @utopia148800:6 if possible could you follow my channel on Odysee?

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
lol, true Mark

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
Holly based Sir! o/

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Institution control of money. Always someone greedy enough to sell out. It seems hopeless sometimes.

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
No problem. Post away @utopia148800:6 I want to be noticed as a poster of Based Content o/

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
If you don’t want me to post your tweet’s link in chat please tell me and I stop. ( some people are nervous of bans)

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 are there ever an ethnic free day ?

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f I’m fine thank you minus all the darkies I saw today. And You fren was your day ethnic free?

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Anyone that tortures the British people for money to retire later is disguising

0KT0BER
1 day ago
do the Oz police have a ‘Common Purpose’ conditioning programme in place?

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 How are you Brother ?

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

Repost and like the Twitter if you can please!
https://x.com/Eagle_Pax_Max/status/2045247129140990168

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 o/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
o/

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
o/

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
You’re Welcome @TheThinRedLine:f o/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
Thank you

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Right on Mark. Its corrupt nonsense

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
hope that helps…

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
https://x.com/Eagle_Pax_Max/status/2045247129140990168

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
You can repost mine, I don’t know about others. Here’s mine one second….

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
Is there big accounts that posted the stream so I can repost it? Or I can repost your tweet.

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f o/

scoobyburn
1 day ago
it’s a healthy debate

Captain Myles Keogh
1 day ago
Sewell is too much of a hater. You do have to have a morality and there are some things that should be taboo.

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Gee why not be a gangster then retire as a regular honest guy later.

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
I just shared it on X too o/

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f If you would thank you but it is a bit fed posty

@popovacianen
1 day ago
and your leadership would be what? Make the west white again GREAT and then go fight in mid east LIKE WTF WHY

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@Eagle_Pax_Max
good

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Prostituting yourself to a system that tortures our people daily. Yhen after they get enough money they care about the issue

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 I can superchat it

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@MarkCollett:6 Mark can you ask Tom if he thinks the AUS military would open fire on Aussies if they are ordered to?

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
I just shared this stream on Gab, Poa.st and Minds o/

@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
Real issue is being a hated minority in our own countries. Not the social game of going to war overseas

danzimmons
1 day ago
yes those political types are the traitors

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
arent young men moore awake theese days?

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
and the cops that carry out the obviously traitor laws.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@Sir-Trancealot:6 Hello Sir!

@popovacianen
1 day ago
afgans thought you guys were the russians when you came in there and im going to belive they were plotting against the west like gtfo

Sir Trancealot
1 day ago

@utopia148800:6 evening

Eagle Pax Max
1 day ago
o/

Ulrich22
1 day ago
yeah its super stupid

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
Who’s the bald guy?

@hyggesecurity
1 day ago
Hes trying to absolve soldiers of their own responsibility for their actions. Soldiers are always trying to do that rather than accept that they were wrong to do what they did, from the start.

@popovacianen
1 day ago
this is idiotic lol

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 @TheThinRedLine:f Evening gents

Ulrich22
1 day ago
i cant listen to this

scoobyburn
1 day ago
99% of whites are not awake

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
Dang I’m a bit late.

@vengeance
1 day ago
how many afghanis were coming to australia in 2001?

@vengeance
1 day ago
if you werent a zogbot whyd you have to come to your senses?

@MilosM.
1 day ago
Tommy is silly tool.

danzimmons
1 day ago
enemy within

@popovacianen
1 day ago
ok so he wants to make the west whit? ok great, and then go fight in mid east cuz reasons? am i getting this right

scoobyburn
1 day ago
the whole of the uk supported a fat drunk & communists in ww2

fartman
1 day ago
he has jewish name too?

danzimmons
1 day ago
western governments want a draft, but only for Whites

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Tommy is garbage

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
Mark is right

fartman
1 day ago
he is jewop

@MilosM.
1 day ago
These people would still come here, even if Israeli problem is quelled down.

fartman
1 day ago
japs were heroes

Ulrich22
1 day ago
just stop tom

Ulrich22
1 day ago
horrible take

@vengeance
1 day ago
^

@popovacianen
1 day ago
just so u guys know most spec op guys are psyhos trust me lol

fartman
1 day ago
on the right side

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
guarding border and trade

fartman
1 day ago
we fought with germans in ww2

@popovacianen
1 day ago
so he wants to go and fight afgans in afganistan after australia is white LIKE WTF WHY

scoobyburn
1 day ago
the only defense in this argument is the sas should be guarding our boarders not fighting abroad, but this is the world we live in

fartman
1 day ago
i mean granddad

danzimmons
1 day ago
gain knowledge tools skills etc.

fartman
1 day ago
my dad fought the soviets

@vengeance
1 day ago
that’s not true either, plenty of people join the military for money or jsut to hurt people. plenty of people join up for that

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
Alexander had an adventure

fartman
1 day ago

@danzimmons:6 you can do tax helping

@vengeance
1 day ago
the taliban arent the ones the govt invitees over either, it’s the liberal bacha bazi gay drug using rapist ones who were ALIGNED WITH ZOG AGAINST THE TALIBAN lmfao

danzimmons
1 day ago
doesn’t matter how much fiat you make they’ll find another way to tax you

fartman
1 day ago
the gov is in cahoots with jews

@popovacianen
1 day ago
why the fock care about afgans in afganistan like wtf is he talking about lol

@vengeance
1 day ago
we’re arguing that it’s not a threat at all

fartman
1 day ago
“bankers”

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
China took over the big airfield base Bagram too?

scoobyburn
1 day ago
china is now mining the minerals in Afghanistan, there is trillions there

danzimmons
1 day ago
both made legit points

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
real time history channel on youtube makes great videos, about afghan war

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@vengeance:9 i agree. i am considering moving to Rumble. new interface design is tosh

fartman
1 day ago
there is oil. but nothing else

@vengeance
1 day ago
the “at” function is broken

fartman
1 day ago
i have never even heard about afghanitan until usa wanted to invade there

@popovacianen
1 day ago
taliban dont give a fock about the west lol

@vengeance
1 day ago
i dont think the taliban even thinks abotu you at all, Tom

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@vengeance:9 right

fartman
1 day ago
zog wants us to make war against afghanistan and iran. why are we there

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
In such miserable country opium is needed to get by

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@Philip.Kollberg:0 and heroine

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
I think afghanistan is the largest producer of opium.

scoobyburn
1 day ago
its not about the soldier its the miss use of such hardened men by corrupt governments

fartman
1 day ago
what do they produce? opium

fartman
1 day ago
i think we boycott afghanistan even we do what so ever with them xD

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
Just boycott Afghanistan?

@vengeance
1 day ago
no, the question is why were you in their country lol

fartman
1 day ago
i don’t think possible to destroy taliban totally

fartman
1 day ago
how is 16 yo age verification?

@MilosM.
1 day ago
Just because they were following orders, their crimes are no less because they were fools.

@vengeance
1 day ago
the taliban outlawed bacha bazi, those paedo’s were on the side of zog

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
Agree with Mark, serving ZOG makes you an enemy of the White race

Rex Kwon Do
1 day ago
Conflate much

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
anti Australian

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
agreed

@MilosM.
1 day ago
A woman will lead Australian army.

0KT0BER
1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 I saw about half of WolfCreek, seemed abit like another Hostel type nasty?

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@0KT0BER:9 an Aussie who was in former NSN hooked me on Wolf Creek. Saying Australia needs people like that, but picking up a different type of people instead in the film (and real life).

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MarkGreen:8 good to hear

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
NSN had a hero’s welcome from what I saw

0KT0BER
1 day ago
The Rover (2014) is an excellent less fantastic Oz post collapse filum

@MilosM.
1 day ago
Comment on ten Israeli haters issued by their government?

@cheflad
1 day ago
the same is happening in the UK.

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
Mad Max

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
sounds great , Aussies

Rex Kwon Do
1 day ago
o/ Thomas

@vengeance
1 day ago
the israel war is a perfect opportunity to make inroads with neighbors

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 hey Mate

@MilosM.
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f hey m8

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MilosM.:9 Greetings o/

@MilosM.
1 day ago
greetings everyone

danzimmons
1 day ago
yeah strict

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Joel is on probation ?

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@danzimmons:6 aqgreed

danzimmons
1 day ago
i miss their weekly streams

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
Joel is great

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
o7

@Philip.Kollberg
1 day ago
o/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@danzimmons:6 Hail Brother

Mark Collett
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f good to see you, I was worried aswe hadn’t seen you for a while!

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MarkCollett:6 sorry for the lack of reply

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
I have been busy

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@MarkCollett:6 Thank yo Mark

Mark Collett
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f hey, did you see my email? I hope you are OK!

Sir Trancealot
1 day ago
evening gents

danzimmons
1 day ago
Thinredline Brother

@Jagdtiger
1 day ago
o/

ThinRedLine
1 day ago

@danzimmons:6 o/

danzimmons
1 day ago
°///

Aryan Futurist Joker
1 day ago
o/

Cone of Silence
1 day ago
Good morning Tom

Cone of Silence
1 day ago
Hey Mark, off to work m8 have to catch later,.

Mark Collett
1 day ago

@TheThinRedLine:f Hey, I emailed you a week or so back! Did you recieve it?

ThinRedLine
1 day ago
o/

@TheGreatWillDo
1 day ago

@MarkCollett
Oh, yous have streamed together.. in that case excuse me then… you know what they say in that film lock stock: ‘assumption is the key of all f*** ups’ lol…

scoobyburn
1 day ago
O/

Mark Collett
2 days ago

@TheGreatWillDo:a I would love to stream with him, I have only ever said kind things about him and loved working with him when we have appeared together!

@TheGreatWillDo
2 days ago
If your willing to stream HT but write off Paul i find that really questionable or theres more to this situation then what im aware of…

@TheGreatWillDo
2 days ago

@MarkCollett:6 what ever your differences are with Paul miller (Gypsy crusader) i think you should put them aside & do a stream with him for the sake of exciting nationalist content. Hes got such a great story to tell that runs really deep & has a really sensible serious side to him whe its time to.

@TheGreatWillDo
2 days ago
Its good to see tom & mark smashing streams together. Like there was a period where you’s didnt do streams or seen on the same platforms together for years. its a shame that wasnt a situation that couldnt be avoided at the time. But what matters most is were all looking forward to agood friday night

@vengeance
2 days ago
o/

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Seppl88
2 days ago
ZOG is our Number 1 enemy! Afghans in Australia is an enemy because they are part of ZOGs plan to decimate us.
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pupli
2 days ago
exactly … just bizarre how bout strive for glory by giving your white children a real culture and no worshiping a jew on a stick is not real white culture
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Seppl88
1 day ago
The worship of magic Jews is holding us back.
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ProtectEurope
1 day ago
Yes, but Afghans in their native Afghanistan are NOT our enemy.
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TTFOLEY1914
2 days ago
Sewell is bang on
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AvidFan
1 day ago
They both make very good points. Sewell had a few bad takes though. The average tax paying working man is not as bad as the zog cop or soldier or intelligence officer or government hack – the average working man is completely brainwashed at worst or completely apathetic and distracted with bread and circuses at best. Those working for the police, army, intelligence services, government hacks are fully aware of the power they hold and the crimes against their people that they are covering up and their collusion with the state to silence patriots/nationalists. They are traitors. They are fully conscious of what they are doing. They are not the same as a tax paying plumber trying feed his family that lives at the bottom of the street. Sewell seems to have forgotten how treacherous, cowardly, and brutal the bullies in blue were during covid in Australia.
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TuckerLimehouse
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2 days ago
I hate the term “partner” for spouse.
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RoseRock444
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Australians and Brits love that word
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TuckerLimehouse
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1 day ago
I’ve noticed. Americans generally use it when referring to a gay couple. Can’t imagine calling my wife my partner. so impersonal, like its a business transaction.
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Beno777
1 day ago
It’s mainly used for unmarried couples of which there are many, otherwise you’d usually say wife/husband.
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AliceEngland
7 hours ago
It’s very woke! Everything woke is jewified!!!

NeoSpartan1
2 days ago
I think these two do not understand each other’s domestic police situation very well. Both made great points but the disconnect here I think lies with how cucked each respective police force is on average. In England, the people joining the police are mostly fat subservient losers and in Australia, this is much less so the case. I will say, what we we in the west lack most are men of honor and courage. On that Sewell in completely right. But we also sorely lack well, men of honor and courage, who will refuse to obey the zog orders that are destroying all of our countries. It’s a very terrible situation, but I do think we are waking up. White men refusing to join the zog army is big indicator. In the US, it has fallen by 50% since oct. 7th, and whenever the army runs recruitment ads featuring White men, the overwhelming response always shows that people are starting to get it on mass. Their propaganda system is showing major cracks. The truth is winning. Sidenote, rumble now seems to be censoring certain words. The censorship noose tightens again. They learned from last time that going to hard with it is counterproductive so they now seem to be trying out a lighter version.
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charliebrownau
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Look at ((( WHO ))) in charge of these ‘platforms’ Hint Not our team * ODYSEE CEO ((( Jeremy Kauffman ))) – (Ashkenazi Jew) * Rumble CEO ((( Chris Pavlovski ))) – (Ashkenazi Jew) * Locals founder ((( Dave Rubin ))) – (Ashkenazi Jew) * DDG CEO – Gabriel Weinberg (Ashkenazi Jew) * Gettr – Jason Miller – (Ashkenazi Jew) * Signal – Moxie Marlinspike (Ashkenazi Jew)(Resigned Jan 2022)
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AvidFan
1 day ago
They both make very good points. Sewell had a few bad takes though. The average tax paying working man is not as bad as the zog cop or soldier or intelligence officer or government hack – the average working man is completely brainwashed at worst or completely apathetic and distracted with bread and circuses at best. Those working for the police, army, intelligence services, government hacks are fully aware of the power they hold and the crimes against their people that they are covering up and their collusion with the state to silence patriots/nationalists. They are traitors. They are fully conscious of what they are doing. They are not the same as a tax paying plumber trying feed his family that lived at the bottom of the street. Tom seems to have forgotten how treacherous, cowardly, and brutal the bullies in blue were during covid in Australia. In America the army, cops, intelligence services, and government are literally gay and zog controlled. The white American people are overweight and in bad shape. Admittedly, I’m only 1 hour in to this debate. Again, Tom makes some excellent points. They both probably agree with each other more than they realise. I’d say Mark has the advantage because he has more of an anti-imperislist and anti-zionist analysis.
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Tacitus14
2 days ago
Good points. Which words?

Keane55
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2 days ago
Tom is right here and holds a much more coherent view here. Hail tom hail BRS
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FancypantsandMP5S
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2 days ago
Would Ben roberts smith speak up for Tom. No he would probably denounce him ?
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NeoSpartan1
2 days ago
I think Tom is banking on the bet that when/if a black swan occurs and state power becomes sufficiently weakened by own structural contradictions, that people like him would then side with the good guys, when/if such an opportunity arises.
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DAVlDSMlTH
2 days ago
You are just making shit up, I don’t know either way. The idea that many SAS are not legit nationalists is simply wrong. I seriously doubt SAS would kill Aussie nationalists.
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Anglojim4
1 day ago
What a great discussion and debate between two excellent White nationalist leaders.
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Beno777
1 day ago
There’s a huge double standard in the ZOG media. They can intentionally bomb a school killing hundreds of girls and no one gets charged and it’s dropped as a story quickly, yet they’ll witch hunt Ben Roberts for killing disarmed combatants who helped kill Aussie soldiers. I agree our army shouldn’t have been in Afghanistan or any ZOG wars. We will still need heroes like Ben when we finally manage to disconnect from the ZOG empire.
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TTFOLEY1914
1 day ago
Very good point
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NathanElkana
3 hours ago
WHY CANT U PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE OF UR COUNTRIES PROTEST AND SAY NO TO ZOG WARS AND NO TO EPSTEIN CLASS WARS. LIKE NOW EPSTEINS WAR AGAINST IRAN

KingTut999
1 day ago
Thomas is 100% right about Islam. the problem with Mark, is that he hagns around NJP people like Mike Enoch, Striker, Warren, etc.. who are pro Islam that he doesn’t see all the degeneracy in Islamic shitholes like pedophilia, homosexuality, beastiality, etc.. if muslims had it their way, they’d take over every non-islamic country, and convert everyone by force or exterminate us. yeah, jews let them in but that’s besides the point.
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ProtectEurope
1 day ago
Nope. Muslims in the Middle East are not our enemies unless they come to us. The problem is who is facilitating their arrival. Let them have self determination in their own homelands. They are Israel’s enemy, not ours, and that is precisely why jews have employed gentiles to fight their wars for them, using us as a means to an end. In fact the number one pretext for Islamic refugees brought into Europe are zionist wars. Without zionist motives destroying their native homelands, and our traitorous governments conspiring to give them residency in *our* nations, they are zero threat to us.
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NoticeKING
1 day ago
Dude what are you talking about lol western culture pushes homosexuality and transgenderism 100x worse than any Muslim country’s … also our politicians are out right satanic and pedophiles and we are to cowardly to do anything about it or they will turn the fucking military on us tell me more about Muslims being the fucking problem clown , it’s Jews it’s always been Jews
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BasedMofo69
1 day ago
like 50% of Afghan men practice Bacha Bazi. I think the fact that they practice child abuse on such a large scale makes the West far less degenerate, regardless of who pushes homo shit more.
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RoseRock444
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1 day ago
Exactly. I wonder who the retards are that down voted you…
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BrossefStalin
1 day ago
Stop saying partner, thats what homos say.
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FancypantsandMP5S
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2 days ago
I dont think it’s that Ben Roberts Smith killed in Afghanistan when he was young and dumb . Its that we don’t really know his politics and he has not come out as are guy so he should be considered a Zog bot
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farlycry
1 day ago
You think the guy should come out publicly as white nationalist during his 8 year war-crimes media witch trial? Lol
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ProtectEurope
1 day ago
Not what he said.
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Seppl88
2 days ago
BRS is a scion of the establishment, our government sent troops to support ZOG overseas. He served the system, the Left found him unpalatable and need to damage the patriarchy.
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Tacitus14
2 days ago
Scion implies consent. I think you meant to use a word that more strongly implies a tragic case of being stabbed int he back. Scorpion and the frog etc. But I can’t think of a proper words that fits right now either… is there one? Tragic hero maybe. Something like that.

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Seppl88
1 day ago
BRS is a product of the establishment, his father was Attorney General of Western Australia. No doubt that he was brave but he has the right background.

EthnoNationalist
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1 day ago
I like Mark Collett takes but Tom Sewell is real White Power Race First o/
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BasedMofo69
1 day ago
I have to disagree with all this “the enemy of your enemy is your friend” type of stuff. Sometimes you just have a lot of enemies. I’d say Sewell is right that Afghans are enemies of Whites, and preventing them from gaining any more power (at home and abroad) is in our interest. It’s a shame that that also serves Israel, but oh well.
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ProtectEurope
1 day ago
No, it’s not “oh well”. They are not our enemies in their own homelands. They wouldn’t even be able to leave and infiltrate our countries without subversive governments and NGOs facilitating their immigration. They are Israel’s enemies and only Israel has the motive to remove them from the region because they are neighbors.
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EmperorsChamp
7 hours ago
Europe has been at war with Islam since its inception. Israel has existed for less than a century.

TheBeeSting
1 day ago
30:10 – This will be a fun clash lol
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ProtectEurope
1 day ago
“I’m not telling you some ZOGbots are better than others but let me tell you why some ZOGbots are better than others.” No, Tom. Those disarmed combatant 14 year old Afghan kids were not your enemies in their native homelands.
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Tomthebeliever
1 day ago
Breaker Morant comes to mind when discussing war crimes
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ZetaReticuli777
23 hours ago
BRS is today’s Breaker Morant, who has never been exonerated for doing his duty. It’s the same situation. They put Morant before a firing squad…If they could, they’d do the same to BRS today.
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FLmetalhead
1 day ago
THATS SO CUCKED THAT YOU CAN GET ARRESTED FOR SAYING N WORD.
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ProtectEurope
1 day ago
There are plenty of psychopaths employed in special forces who simply enjoy killing and have no true political conviction or even basic morality. Many of them. It is utterly foolish to not see them as traitors and dangerous to us by default until proven otherwise.
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Norse_Waffen
1 day ago
You are right Tom 100% spot on…o/
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Seppl88
1 day ago
I was in the ANM 1988-91 and I knew Jack v. T very well he was a true fighter and believes in NS. I am glad that Tom has correspondence with Jack, he is a good mentor despite his mistakes.
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DeadandWell
23 hours ago
Mark, society has to have a place for it’s warrior class. They are your kin. They have to be somewhere, can’t be farmers or talk show hosts or activists like yourself mate. Sort your leaders out, your issue is solely with them. You can’t also compare killing foreigners in a war with killing kin at home.
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kevinnormansavage
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19 hours ago
Mark needs to stop shouting when making his point. It’s putting me off listening to PA. And to stop repeating his argument to dominate the guest and their point of view.
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DeadandWell
7 hours ago
He has become lazy and I don’t really blame him for it. It’s like he wants to rush through the show because he has to do it and get back to goyslop gaming asap. I don’t blame him because he has been at it for so many years and it’s a tall order to expect him to maintain the work ethic and openness to challenge after he has been sidelined for so long.
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kevinnormansavage
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7 hours ago
I guess there is a lot of truth in what you say. I have followed Mark right back to his BNP days, so I like to think my criticism is constructive.

seesee123
16 hours ago
Just reading through the comments and it’s pretty sad to see that White Nationalism is basically just Zionist anti-Muslim slop.
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Beno777
13 hours ago
Mark doesn’t delete comments on his podcast. Tom Sewell does on his podcast when you point out the holes in his quasi-religious views. W for Mark.
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wincyincy
1 day ago
Incoherent Sewell waffle, for all his attributes, he often has some questionable perspectives.
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bowes77
1 day ago
Toms right about goats milk it’s the closes to beast milk I bet Tom researches Barbara o’neals work she’s from Australia

lyndonbj
1 day ago
Good Stream. On the earlier segment about Ben Roberts, Mark didn’t just beat Tom he crushed his arguments in every way.

GreenGladeAryan
1 day ago
It is rather unfortunate that Mark got caught up on the use of the n word at a moment when Tom was making an excellent point with the Blair quote ” But for the grace of God goes I” My Great grandmother used to say this and in this context it is sublime. In the example Tom gave the White child’s brain has learnt to adapt to his surroundings to survive. Given respectable leadership this White child would undoubtedly be raised to excellence.
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FLmetalhead
1 day ago
DESPITE WHAT YOU THINK OF BEN ROBERTS SMITH’S ACTIONS (I think warranted) THIS IS A TRIAL AGAINST WHITE MEN AND THROWING A MEMBER OF THEIR OWN ARMY UNDER THR BUS WHEN THEY PUT HIM THERE.
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PugnaciousPatriot
1 day ago
As an American…. I think you Brits have become to complacent with the sand parasites that are raping your women! I agree with Sewell. F&@k those Arabzz ! Wherever they are !!
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Sieger88
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1 day ago
If you are doing a review of Apocalypse with Tom, please have Nativist on as well.

Nationlessnationalist
22 hours ago
who took my name lol.

Beno777
20 hours ago
I get Tom didn’t bond with Christ, but he’s literally following Jewish Kabbalah here. Tom believes in higher soul levels, in Jewish Kaballah goyim and animals are Nefesh, the lowest level “animal soul”. Tom believes in a feminine god part, or goddess. This is Shekhinah in Jewish Kabbalah, from the Tree of Life, the “divine feminine” who receives from above and dwells among humanity. There are parallels here also to the Shakti Goddess in Vedic/Hinduism from India. Tom believes when we die we merge back into the hive-mind (or whatever he calls it). This is the recycling of souls called Gilgul Neshamot in Jewish Kaballah. Gilgul literally means “cycle” or “wheel,” referring to the transmigration of souls into new human bodies across lifetimes. The main reason for Gilgul is Tikkun (rectification or repair).
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katana17
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[Mark Collett – The State of Australia – with Tom Sewell – Apr 17, 2026 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2026/04/19/mark-collett-the-state-of-australia-with-tom-sewell-apr-17-2026-transcript/ [In this livestream video Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British nationalist movement, Patriotic Alternative, talks with Tom Sewell, leader of the now disbanded NSN. Items discussed include: NSN context: Last time they spoke was around NSN (National Socialist Network) disbandment and Australia’s new huge ban Tom is challenging in court. Media profile: NSN had become highly covered; Tom had big interviews (e.g., Dan Bilzerian); plans once existed to register “White Australia” party. State pressure: New ban regime arrives; Joel Davis arrested and held on remand; is now out on strict bail conditions. Tom’s update: “Nice to focus on things that aren’t 100% politics… time to reflect.” Joel after remand: “Clear minded,” reduced online noise improved focus; speaks to Tom most days; in “really good mood.” Media smear: Daily Mail ran gossip piece; Tom and Joel laugh at errors; notes bail forces Joel to live with mother. Fatherhood: Joel enjoys being a new dad; “best of both worlds,” gets time with baby without 2 am wakeups. Bail geography: Joel banned from entering partner’s suburb (Wentworth/Bondi) because alleged threat target is the MP there (Allegra Spender). High Court challenge: “Cooking,” but slow; public urged to be patient; “two more weeks” Covid joking refrain. Tom’s case: Charged over “violent disorder” at a rally; outcome could be plea/time-served or 3–6 months in jail; possible trial pending negotiations. Localism: With NSN disbanded, nationalism “localised”; still training, socializing; “We are not a prescribed organisation.” Guardrails: Tom tells eager youths not to form a “not-NSN” group; warns about traps (UK examples); “play the game by the rules.” And more, …

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AliceEngland
7 hours ago
I am anti jew and anti muslim. Team White

Maxim83
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7 hours ago
For the record, more babies have been aborted since it was legalised in 1967 than the number of all humans who had thereto lived on planet earth since Anno Domini. i.e. over 6 billion- of which over 80% have been Caucasian. Also, the most common protein used in modern vaccines -all vaccines are built on animal proteins – are human foetal proteins. Hail science! Enjoy your breakfast.

Maxim83
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7 hours ago
The average number of abortions per Caucasian woman in the UK has risen from 0.03 in 1971 to 1.7 in 2023. That is 1.7 abortions opposed to the 1.34 live births. If the ONS stats indicate otherwise, that is because they include all demographics. One demographic has to be in charge – and it is certainly not women.

palacepony
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1 hour ago
The govt directly betray us in a way that BRS does not.

HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
2 days ago
Christian Pastor John Hagee: “Jesus Christ is coming as a Jewish rabbi to rule the world”: https://rumble.com/v78mwem-christian-pastor-john-hagee-jesus-christ-is-coming-as-a-jewish-rabbi-to-rul.html John 1:49 English Standard Version Nathanael answered him, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!” Luke 2:21 English Standard Version And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb. Matthew 2:2 English Standard Version saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” John 18:20 English Standard Version Jesus answered him, “I have spoken openly to the world. I have always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all Jews come together. I have said nothing in secret. John 4:22 English Standard Version You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. Romans 15:27 English Standard Version For they were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have come to share in their spiritual blessings, they ought also to be of service to them in material blessings. –
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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The creation of the greater Israel The concept of “The Greater Israel” originates in biblical texts, particularly Genesis 15:18, where God makes a covenant with Abraham, promising his descendants the land “from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.” This passage is central to the theological foundation of Greater Israel, portraying a divinely ordained territory that extends far beyond modern Israel’s borders. The promise is reiterated in other books of the Bible, including Deuteronomy 1:7, Exodus 23:31, and Joshua 1:4, each describing expansive boundaries encompassing parts of modern-day Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. Support by Christian Zionists Christian Zionist is a theological and political movement primarily among Evangelical Christians that supports the establishment and expansion of Israel based on biblical prophecy. Many Christian Zionists believe that the modern state of Israel fulfills God’s promise to the Jewish people and that supporting Greater Israel—which includes the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights, and all of Jerusalem—is essential to end-time prophecy. Support for Greater Israel is rooted in the belief that God promised the land to the Jewish people through biblical covenants, particularly citing Genesis 12:3 (“I will bless those who bless you”). Christian Zionists often interpret current events in the Middle East as signs of the end times, with Israel’s territorial expansion seen as a necessary step toward the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
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Agxmv
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i love how you weirdos who cry about Christianity always leave out other passages that deny the jews as a chosen people and that the old Israel is no more. pick real battles like idk… other races who hate us instead of infighting
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TTFOLEY1914
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Trouble is Christianity is why these people are hurting us and here in the first place being tolerated
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Exactly. And I’m not the one worshiping a Jewish rabbi as God, so obviously I’m not the weirdo here.
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Pretorius88
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Galatians 3:28 (NIV) states: “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” This verse emphasizes that faith in Christ transcends traditional ethnic, social, and gender divisions, creating a new, unified identity. Christianity is the original multiculturalism
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Yep, ethnic nationalism contradicts the Bible. Welcoming the Stranger The New Testament strongly emphasizes welcoming the stranger as a core Christian duty, rooted in love, identity, and divine command. Jesus’ Teaching in Matthew 25:35–40 presents the most direct call: “I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” This passage frames hospitality to the stranger as an act of service to Christ Himself, with eternal consequences. The righteous are welcomed into eternal life because they cared for “the least of these,” including strangers. Paul’s Epistles reinforce this principle by affirming that in Christ, “there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female” (Galatians 3:28). This universal equality implies that all people—regardless of background—are worthy of welcome and dignity. Hebrews 13:2 warns believers not to neglect hospitality: “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it.” This reference to Abraham’s encounter with divine messengers (Genesis 18) underscores the spiritual significance of welcoming the unknown. The New Testament redefines “neighbor” to include the stranger, aligning with Jesus’ command to “love your neighbor as yourself” (Mark 12:31). The parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25–37) exemplifies this, showing that compassion transcends ethnic, cultural, and religious boundaries. Early Christian Practice reflected this teaching. Communities were known to care for refugees, the poor, and travelers, often opening homes and sharing resources, reflecting the biblical mandate to care for those who are vulnerable and displaced. In sum, the New Testament calls believers to intentional, sacrificial hospitality toward strangers—not out of obligation alone, but as a reflection of God’s own love and the transformative power of Christ’s grace.
HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Colossians 3:11 New International Version Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. English Standard Version Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all. https://biblehub.com/colossians/3-11.htm Hebrews 13:2 New International Version Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. English Standard Version Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. https://biblehub.com/hebrews/13-2.htm
HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Brotherly Love Continue in brotherly love. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it. Remember those in prison as if you were bound with them, and those who are mistreated as if you were suffering with them.… https://biblehub.com/hebrews/13-2.htm Sons Through Faith in Christ For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. https://biblehub.com/galatians/3-28.htm
HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Deuteronomy 7:6 English Standard Version “For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/7-6.htm A Jewish sect Q: Did Christianity began as a sect of Judaism? A: Yes, Christianity began as a sect of Judaism. Christianity emerged in the 1st century CE as a Jewish messianic movement within Second Temple Judaism, rooted in the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish teacher and prophet. His earliest followers were all Jews or Jewish proselytes who believed Jesus was the promised Messiah. They continued to observe Jewish laws, customs, and traditions—such as Sabbath observance, kosher dietary laws, circumcision, and synagogue worship—while affirming Jesus as the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy. The movement was initially seen as a sect within Judaism, often referred to as “The Way” (Acts 9:2), and it functioned as a Jewish religious group centered on Jerusalem. Key events that marked the gradual separation from Judaism include: The Council of Jerusalem (c. 50 AD), where it was decided that Gentile converts did not need to follow the full Mosaic Law. The inclusion of uncircumcised Gentiles as full members of the Church, which caused tension with more traditional Jewish Christians. The destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD and the subsequent Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 AD), which intensified the rift between Jews and Christians. By the 4th century, Christianity had become a distinct religion, no longer viewed as a sect of Judaism by either religious or political authorities. While Christianity originated within Judaism and shared its foundational texts and beliefs, it gradually developed its own theology, identity, and institutional structure, eventually becoming a separate world religion.
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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There’s a reason why there are so many Christian Zionists. And if you think that over 1,600 years of Christianity haven’t influenced the way we think and act, think again. Matthew 5:40/5:41 English Standard Version And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-40.htm …if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well; and if someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.… https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-41.htm Matthew 5:39 English Standard Version But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm Matthew 5:44 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-44.htm Colossians 3:11 English Standard Version Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all. https://biblehub.com/colossians/3-11.htm
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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And also… Real-time observation of Evolution Direct observation of evolution in real time is well-documented through controlled laboratory experiments and field studies, particularly in organisms with short generation times. Bacterial Evolution: Richard Lenski’s Long-Term Experimental Evolution Project, ongoing since 1988, has observed E. coli bacteria multiply through over 59,000 generations, resulting in doubled size, faster mutation rates, and increased efficiency in glucose usage. Researchers have also visualized adaptive evolution in bacteria using “Mega-Plates” to track growth along antibiotic concentration gradients. Wild Adaptation: A 30-year study of marine snails (Littorina saxatilis) off the coast of Sweden documented rapid shape changes and genetic mutations as the population adapted to a new environment after a toxic algal bloom. Similarly, a longitudinal field experiment with Drosophila melanogaster (fruit flies) observed parallel phenotypic and genomic changes over just four months of seasonal change. Speciation Events: In 1981, an immigrant finch on the Galapagos island of Daphne Major established a new lineage that became reproductively isolated from local birds within just three generations, a process confirmed by full genome sequencing. Pesticide Resistance: Insect populations, such as the tobacco budworm and Colorado potato beetle, provide clear examples of evolution in action by developing genetic resistance to chemical pesticides within a few generations due to natural selection. These examples demonstrate that while evolution is often perceived as a slow process, rapid evolutionary changes can occur and be observed within a human lifetime when selective pressures are strong.

HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
2 days ago
The Torah & The Old Testament The Torah corresponds to the first five books of the Old Testament, also known as the Pentateuch. These books are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. While the Torah is a specific subset of the Old Testament, the Old Testament as a whole includes these five books plus additional historical, poetic, and prophetic writings, totaling 39 books in most Protestant traditions. Genesis (creation, patriarchs, Joseph) Exodus (slavery in Egypt, the Exodus, the giving of the Law) Leviticus (laws regarding sacrifices, purity, and festivals) Numbers (the wilderness wanderings and census) Deuteronomy (reiteration of the Law before entering the Promised Land) In Jewish tradition, these five books are the core of the Written Torah (part of the Tanakh), whereas the Christian Old Testament encompasses the entire Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) plus, in some traditions, the deuterocanonical books (Apocrypha). The Torah is often referred to as the “Law” or “Instruction,” forming the foundation for both Jewish and Christian scriptures, though the broader Old Testament includes the Prophets (Nevi’im) and Writings (Ketuvim).
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Q: Do modern Ashkenazi Jews share DNA with the biblical Jews? A: Yes, modern Ashkenazi Jews share significant genetic ancestry with ancient biblical populations, with studies confirming a common Middle Eastern origin dating back over 2,000 years. Shared Ancestry: Genetic analyses show that Ashkenazi Jews cluster closely with other Jewish groups (Sephardic and Mizrahi) and populations from the Levant, supporting the historical narrative of descent from ancient Hebrew and Israelite residents. Genetic Composition: While Ashkenazi Jews have a distinct genetic signature, their genome is an even mixture of Middle Eastern and Southern European (particularly Italian) ancestry, with estimates suggesting 40% to 60% of their DNA derives from Middle Eastern sources. Continuity: A 2010 study led by Harry Ostrer found that Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Mizrahi Jews share high levels of identity by descent (IBD), roughly equivalent to that of fourth or fifth cousins, indicating a shared genetic heritage that predates the diaspora. Medieval Evidence: A 2022 study of 14th-century Ashkenazi remains from Erfurt, Germany, revealed that medieval Ashkenazi Jews were more genetically diverse than modern Ashkenazi Jews, yet still consisted of groups with Middle Eastern and European ancestry that merged to form the homogenous modern population. Despite admixture with host populations (estimated at 30% to 60% European in Ashkenazi Jews), genetic markers remain distinct from non-Jewish Europeans, refuting theories that Ashkenazi Jews are solely descended from converted populations like the Khazars. –
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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The Khazar Theory Q: Is the Khazar theory true? A: The Khazar theory, which claims that Ashkenazi Jews are primarily descended from Turkic Khazars who converted to Judaism, is not supported by mainstream scholarship or genetic evidence and is largely considered debunked. Genetic studies have consistently shown that Ashkenazi Jews share a common ancestral origin with other Jewish populations in the Middle East, not Central Asia. Large-scale DNA analyses reveal strong genetic continuity between Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jews, tracing back to a shared Levantine population around 2,000–3,000 years ago. While minor admixture with European or possibly Khazar-related groups cannot be entirely ruled out, there is no significant genetic evidence linking Ashkenazi Jews to the Khazars. Historical and linguistic evidence also contradicts the theory. Ashkenazi Jews speak Yiddish, a language rooted in Medieval German, not Turkic languages. Their cultural, religious, and textual traditions align with Rabbinic Judaism from the Middle East and Europe, not a Central Asian origin. The theory gained popularity through books like Arthur Koestler’s The Thirteenth Tribe (1976) and has been promoted in some anti-Zionist and antisemitic circles to challenge Jewish historical ties to Israel. However, most historians and geneticists reject it as pseudoscientific. While the Khazar elite may have converted to Judaism in the 8th–9th centuries, there is no credible evidence that this group formed the basis of modern Ashkenazi Jewry. –
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Forced upon us through violence and threats of punishment Forced conversion was a primary method used to Christianize Scandinavia, particularly in Norway and Denmark, where kings like Olaf Tryggvason and Harald Bluetooth employed threats of death, torture, exile, and the destruction of pagan temples to compel their subjects to convert. While early missionary efforts in the 9th century were largely peaceful, the process accelerated dramatically in the late 10th and 11th centuries through top-down coercion, with rulers using the new faith as a tool for political unification and control. In Norway, Olaf Tryggvason (r. 995–1000) is famously recorded for his “convert or die” campaign, where he burned pagan temples, executed priests of the Old Norse religion, and threatened torture or death for non-compliance. Similarly, in Denmark, King Harald Bluetooth forced the Danes to embrace Christianity around 965, an event commemorated by the Jelling Stones, which state he “won for himself all Denmark and Norway and made the Danes Christian.” In Sweden, the transition was often slower and more violent, culminating in the 1080s when King Inge the Elder burned the great temple at Uppsala and killed the pagan king Blot-Sweyn to end pagan resistance.
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Defacing of pagan statues Christians frequently defaced pagan statues to neutralize perceived demonic influence and purify the images through the carving of crosses, often on the foreheads, noses, or chins, rather than solely destroying them. This practice, known as Spraghis or deconsecration, was driven by the belief that removing the “pollution” of sacrifice and marking the statues with the cross rendered them safe to keep as art or repurpose. While some early Christians simply removed cult statues to display them in public spaces, later actions often involved mutilation (cutting off hands, feet, heads, or genitals) or destruction to prove the impotence of the gods. Specific historical events include: The Serapeum in Alexandria (389 AD): Bishop Theophilus ordered the head of the statue of Serapis to be chopped off and carried in ridicule, while the rest was burned, leading to the destruction of the attached Library and Museum. Statues of Emperors: Secular statues and inscriptions of emperors like Maximian were destroyed or defaced by Christians who viewed them as reminders of a “foul monster,” with faces blacked out or statues thrown from heights. Temple Sites: Figures like St. Martin of Tours and St. Benedict smashed pagan statues (e.g., Apollo at Monte Cassino) to clear sites for new churches or monasteries. Archaeological evidence shows that many statues were preserved after the carving of crosses, which served as an apotropaic ward against evil, allowing the objects to transition from “demonic idols” to “cleansed art” within Christian society.
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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Killing of pagans in England Historical records indicate that the conversion of Anglo-Saxon England involved violent conflict and mass executions of pagans, particularly during the 7th century. King Caedwalla of Wessex is noted for the merciless slaughter of the pagan Jutes on the Isle of Wight in 686 CE, where he killed King Arwald and his two brothers, effectively exterminating the last major pagan kingdom in England. The Christianization process often involved destruction of temples, killing of pagan priests, and execution of those who refused baptism. Pope Gregory the Great initially authorized the destruction of pagan temples, though this was later modified to convert existing structures into churches while destroying pagan idols. Bede records that King Æthelfrith killed approximately 1,200 unarmed Celtic monks at the Battle of Chester in 616 CE, and the Execution Cemetery at Sutton Hoo suggests mass executions of Saxons who refused to convert. Legal codes and penitentials from the period reveal a systematic hostility towards pagan practices, with laws prescribing death for those who used witchcraft to kill others or who practiced “heretical” rituals. Charlemagne’s Ordinances concerning Saxony (c. 782 CE) mandated the death penalty for any Saxon who remained unbaptized, reflecting the broader European trend of using state violence to enforce religious conversion.
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HoldTheHeathenHammerHigh
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The Heathen: Worshippers of the Devil In the biblical context, the term “heathen” often refers to those who do not worship the God of Israel and are outside the covenant community. Throughout Scripture, heathen nations are frequently depicted as engaging in idolatry and practices that are contrary to the worship of Yahweh. From a conservative Christian perspective, these practices are often seen as tantamount to worshipping the devil, as they involve the veneration of false gods and idols, which are considered to be under the influence of demonic forces. https://biblehub.com/topical/ttt/t/the_heathen–worshippers_of_the_devil.htm 1 Corinthians 10:20 New International Version No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. English Standard Version No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/10-20.htm
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TheNoticer88
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1 day ago
Lowest IQ takes iv ever heard from Mark
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Gigatrollius
2 days ago
Mark is 100% right about everything.
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Tacitus14
2 days ago
He’s a sharp guy, but he missed the boat on this one. Very few decent men are going to join the UK police at this point, but in the rest of the west, it was still an pretty honorable profession until pretty recently. It’s ajob that should draw strong men with a protective and somewhat selfless mindset, but in the UK… the rot is so deep there that their recruitment only draws fat cucks and lesbians and such. Remember, BLM and covid woke up many many millions of people, but they were a very recent phenomena. 5 years is a pretty short amount of time when the massses are concerned. We can never forget that they by and large go through life without ever deep diving into most things until they are directly affected by them, most people are ostriches with their heads in the sand until they are forced awake.
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Gigatrollius
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We will lose as long as people believe that ANY institutional power in the west is honorable. I understand that it will take at least 100+ years before the few white that are left fully go into the mindset of rebuilding on top of the ashes and not play sandcastle in with them. EVERY single military member of “nato” are traitors, every single policeman in the west is a traitor etc.. all of them. When you understand that, whites will MAYBE find a way to start to fix the west. But until then, well… Go ahead, believe that the honorable police officer wont rape and kill your children on command.
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DeadandWell
23 hours ago
Why are you so antagonistic to your guests? Adam had to school you on the truth of your religion and now Tom has to politely correct your myopia. Remember Mark, you are no longer, if anything you can be an advisor to one
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Beno777
17 hours ago
If Adam Greemberg isn’t a jewish psyop, he’s exactly what they would like to have undermining white Christian nations. He didn’t school Mark on anything LOL, he just repeats the same propaganda view he belatedly inherited from CJB who now calls him a plagiarist.
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DeadandWell
7 hours ago
For the sake of the argument, try forming an opinion outside of the semitic frame. Can you?

ColinDRiddle
2 days ago
Mark is such a turd-wordlist lol
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RoseRock444
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Don’t understand why he loves the goat shaggers so much
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Spaceman69
1 day ago
how do kids say these days…..mark collett = totally BASED! this is the difference in wisdom from a 40+ yr old VS a 30+ yr old…. i was thinking of mickle the other day and the word spastic came to mind and i laughed and laughed.. the irony to hear that word on stream next to mickles name was just gold! hitler invented the 40hr work week and i think its fcked. blue collars work hard labor for 40hrs to earn min wage and white collars complain they did 60hrs sitting on their arse taking 3hr lunch breaks while starting and finishing when they please… to brag about 6 figure salary incomes! still i think a young man should “sacrifice” believe in altruism of hard work. the dream was suppose to be, by the sweat of your brow, you shall make it to the top… alas under capitalism, the harder you work THE MORE WORK YOU HAVE TO DO. fck capitalism. communism is the way. commie is the only force that can defeat capitalism. we are the 99% and the 1% have leached off the rest of us ENOUGH… and fck ben roberts. hes guilty…. if your OWN crew is ratting you out as evidence… ya gone and really fcked up hero! this video spells it out well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J896i3yrTbQ&t=193s always wondered how long joel could get away with hes public “locker room” talk.. lol those days are over… maybe he will switch back to being antifa like he was before, and once again show off proudly he’s “baphomet” tattoo on hes right arm from hes antifa days… a jooish tranny god… talk about 2 faced. cant believe he was NSN spokesman. guy should have been ball gagged. tommy dropped the ball with that one… wouldn’t be the 1st time
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seesee123
1 day ago
Islam is not our enemy. Anyone that still says this shit is either an idiot or a bad actor. Jews are the enemy. That’s all. That’s the only focus.
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charliebrownau
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1 day ago
Both ((( Christianity ))) and ((( Islam ))) is Jewish Anti Goyim Anti Ethnic National Identity NWO tool
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pupli
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Clown shit take from Sewell
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NeoSpartan1
2 days ago
No, they are both right. The problem is regional. UK army and police are more cucked than AUS so it’s a miscommunication based on perspective.
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DAVlDSMlTH
2 days ago
Are you an Aussie? Have you ever met people from SAS? The idea that they would just do political assignations on people like Tom being the same as killing taliban is just insane.
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farlycry
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It’s bullshit that wars for zog are the reason for mass immigration. How many wars have we fought against India,Turkey and Pakistan recently? Why doesn’t Israel take in refugees if it’s an unavoidable consequence of destabilisation? Sending soldiers to Afghanistan is NOT the reason that there are afghanis in your neighbourhood.
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farlycry
1 day ago
The reason is you are led by your enemies. If Britain was home to 50 million Jews, instead of 50 million white Brits, you could fight all the wars you like and have zero small boats.
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ProtectEurope
1 day ago
Zionist wars are, in fact, the number one excuse for allowing Muslim refugees into Europe. War refugees have an streamlined process to residency. Without the wars there is no streamlined process.

Spaceman69
1 day ago
this is why thomas fails.. he’s end game is a white earth! destroying all else. the world will never let that happen. its because of men like tom we can NEVER have world peace! hes a true neo nazi, ill give him that. someone remind him the real nazi’s lost already… its over!
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VikMortin
2 days ago
David Irvings book on Dresden is bar the funniest book he ever wrote. There are smiles to be had on almost every page. As I got towards the dn of the book, I reflected that David is a neo nazi, and I was left scratching my head why he bothered to write it. Why would he be so unacharacteristically kind, and write a book that would so entertain anti nazis like me.
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klausbrecht
2 days ago
Good for you Jew, you bought a nazi book
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VikMortin
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In a 1982 interview with a former nazi SS guard, one who actually admitted the holocaust was real, he was asked why kill the women and children? He said, well we sometimes felt terrible, but those children would grow up into adults, and the women would nurutre or give birth to eve rmore of our enemies, as we thought of them in those days. The children killed at Dresden, would have grown into adult nazis, who would hav ejoined the German army, or the nazi women would supported hitlers evil war effort in many ways. The hitler youth were even closer to nazi scum, soon to fight for the nazi army in five years time. It is a pity ten times as many women and children did not sizzle like bacon at Dresden. Mark appears to skip over the matter that years before Dresden, the Germans bombed london 72 nights in succession, and laid waste to Covently, Liverpool, Plymouth and Manchester, and Warsaw and Stalingrad. Mark never ever mentions his sympathy for the women and children in this case. hitler started area bombing in spades, and for years before. Dresden was a delightful revenge. Collett on Dresden, is Mark at his most woke and most victimhood, worthy of any modern lefty pussy boy, with hurty feelings. War is war. Winning is all. We onw Dresden, there are NO Dresden deniers, we gloat over it. If neo nazis hate Jews that much, it baffles us why they dont glory in the holocaust.
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micphoenix
2 days ago
Muh gas chamber narrative is legacy WW2 atrocity propaganda created by the British Psychological Warfare Executive in 1940/41
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