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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Red Ice TV</span></h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Bondi Beach Shooting &amp;</span></h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">White Australia with Thomas Sewell</span></h1>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #000000;">Wed, Dec 17, 2025</span></h1>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[In this live stream video Thomas Sewell from White Australia joins Henrik to talk about the effort to take back Australia, the Bondi Beach shooting and the political aspirations of White Australia party.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Points discussed include:</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">The shooting occurred during a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi Beach on December 14th [2025].</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The attackers were a father and son duo, one of whom was born in Australia to an Indian father and Italian mother.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The son had converted to Islam and received religious training; he was also linked to ISIS.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The attackers allegedly targeted jews specifically, though many others were injured.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“We’re surprised it doesn’t happen more often,” said Sewell, referencing Muslim rhetoric in Australia.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell says Muslims in gyms and job sites often express extreme anti-Jewish views.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He criticises conspiracy theories suggesting the attack was staged or fake.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“Sometimes Muslims just kill people,” dismissing Mossad-related theories.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He says the jewish event was not random—it was advertised and attended by prominent Zionists.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Arsen Ostrovsky, an Israeli human rights lawyer, was present at the event.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell notes Ostrovsky arrived in Australia weeks earlier to “fight anti-semitism.”</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The father was killed during the attack; the son was recently brought out of a coma.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Some Aussies tried to intervene and were mistakenly targeted by police.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell contrasts police response to White nationalists vs. Muslim terrorists.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“If you’re a White nationalist, they pull the gun out on you immediately.”</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Female police officers on the scene were ineffective and had “mental breakdowns.”</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell describes the police as cowardly and unprepared for real violence.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He criticises the Australian government for focusing on “Nazis” instead of real threats.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The shooter was on a watchlist since 2019 but still obtained a gun licence.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“He joined a Serbian hunting club to get the licence,” Sewell explains.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell criticises ASIO (Australian Security Intelligence Organisation) for neglect.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He says ASIO fired 10 senior Counter Terrorism staff in 2019 in a “Red Wedding.”</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The shooting is being used as a pretext to increase surveillance on Right-wing groups.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Media and politicians are using the event to attack White nationalists, not Muslims.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell says the jewish community is pushing hard for political consequences.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He argues Australia’s multiculturalism has failed and is a direct cause of the attack.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“We don’t want jews or Muslims in Australia.”</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He blames both communities for bringing foreign conflicts to Australian soil.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The shooter legally owned a bolt-action rifle, a type common in Australia.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Gun laws in Australia are strict, especially for political dissidents.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell used to own firearms but sold them to avoid being raided.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He describes how police use gun inspections as a pretext to search homes.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The government recently decriminalised the ISIS flag while banning Nazi symbols.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell says the government is pushing “social cohesion” as a propaganda term.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Multiculturalism has led to ethnic enclaves and White flight in urban areas.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“Social cohesion” is code for suppressing dissent and maintaining control.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The Labor Party relies on Muslim and Indian votes and won’t criticise Islam.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The Liberal Party is collapsing, and the jewish lobby is shifting support to One Nation.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell believes the political system is fracturing and ripe for disruption.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The NSN is launching a political party: White Australia.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Four core policies: 1) Restore the White Australia Policy, 2) End debt slavery, 3) Bill of Rights, 4) Reindustrialisation.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Policy 1 includes mass deportations and reversing demographic changes.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Policy 2 would eliminate interest on home loans and refund paid interest.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Policy 3 includes free speech, gun rights (Swiss model), and low taxes.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Policy 4 focuses on economic autarky, national infrastructure, and high-tech industry.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“We want to give Australians a sense of purpose again,” Sewell says.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The party is already gaining traction and could become the 6th largest in Australia.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell expects resistance but believes the system will expose itself if it tries to block them.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">He emphasises the importance of community, discipline, and rejecting black-pill attitudes.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">“Don’t associate with pessimists. They’re poison,” he warns.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">NSN is intergenerational, with children of members now joining.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">The movement is growing through fitness, activism, and social cohesion among Whites.</span><br />
<span style="color: #008000;">Sewell concludes: “We’re going to win!”</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in here. I’m Henrik. Glad to have you with us here on Red Ice today. If watching live on Rumble X Twitter, Red Ice TV, Red Ice members, however you’re tuning in, thank you for being here.</p>
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<p>So, yes, we obviously are going to follow up on the topic we covered a little bit yesterday in terms of the shooting down at Bondi beach in Australia. We have Thomas Sewell back on the show today to cover this. Not only, of course, what’s happened with the shooting, the potential political fallout from this, but there’s other issues, of course, happening. It is interesting, though, because this has been called basically “<em>an intelligence failure</em>” by the Australian, you know, intelligence services, ASIO <span style="color: #008000;">[Australian Security Intelligence Organization]</span>, I think it’s shortened. As and they’ve been observing obviously the National Socialists, all the Nationalists in Australia, they’re the ones kind of under scrutiny. They’re the ones being investigated, they’re the ones being followed around, arrested, all these things, right?</p>
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<p>And then you have this blatant, kind of hole here. We will get into whether or not this is intentional. Did they drop the guard? What’s really happening? I have a lot of questions, as always. As you should, I think, which is healthy around these events and how it’s being used.</p>
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<p>But it’s clear just on the official level, if you look at it, what they’re saying that this is. Obviously this is a massive failure then in the sense of not observing the actual terrorists in the country like this. Well, first of all, he was Pakistani. Then they’re coming back and saying now he was originally born in India, but who cares? What’s the difference? Right? So, Tom Sewell, welcome back. Good to see you again. How are you?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Good, thanks. Thank you for having me on the show again. And yes, it’s been eventful as always. There’s plenty to talk about and very exciting times ahead. A lot of controversy. Did you want to start with Bondi first?</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I think. So why don’t we clear, well, it’s not just clearing it off the plate. It’s such a big thing. It’s really the main story we should lead with here, obviously. I’m not sure we have to reiterate it, but obviously, yes, we had a shooting on the 14th Australian time then. So it’s on the 14th, December 14th. And obviously, yeah, just explain what you, what your initial kind of, I guess, you know, way that you view this is not strange. We knew that this is like “<em>part and parcel</em>” now of being in a multicultural, multiracial country like Australia has been turned into against all of our desires. But still, were you surprised by this?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> No, absolutely not! And myself and most of the leadership of the organization have commented that we’re surprised that it doesn’t happen more often and that it took this long considering the rhetoric we’ve experienced from Muslims in Australia over the past couple years.</p>
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<p>And I’m not just talking about rhetoric in terms of the Palestinian protests in the city every week. I’m talking about just everyday Muslims that you might come across on job sites or if you train at a commercial gym, whether it be a fighting gym, or a lifting gym. The rhetoric out of Muslims has been very extreme! Like we would call it Fed postie. We don’t get away with that kind of rhetoric.</p>
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<p>But it’s just commonplace within the Muslim community to sort of talk about and advocate for this sort of stuff. So yeah. Where do you want to go with this? I can go into more detail.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, so we talked about it yesterday a little bit as well, obviously of the shooters and everything else. And first of all, do you trust what you’re hearing from the police and the mainstream government sources on this?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Well, I don’t. As a general rule, I don’t trust the police and the mainstream media. But this is something that’s too big to fool.</p>
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<p>I mean, there were thousands, &#8230; I mean, there’s a lot of Americans sharing kind of schizophrenic conspiracy theories about it. There’s a few odd videos that I do admit there’s a few videos that look, the guy was probably just missing his shots. I don’t think he was shooting blanks. There’s a whole bunch of schizo theories out there. Most people don’t know how populated Bondi <span style="color: #008000;">[pronounced bond-eye]</span> beach is in Sydney, Australia.</p>
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<p>So most Americans, they can’t fathom that this happened at the most populated place in Sydney, like almost more populated than the CBD. If you’ve ever been a Bondi beach, there are just potentially tens of thousands of people there are thousands and thousands of witnesses. Yeah, I really dislike the way that so many people on the dissonant right are trying to transmute this into some sort of conspiracy theory. Sometimes Muslims just kill people!</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So strange1 No!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And in this case, they very obviously targeted a jewish event. A predominantly jewish. Well, not a predominantly jewish event. A jewish event that had maybe a couple hundred people attend. But again, it was at a beach where there’s tens of thousands of Aussies and tourists.</p>
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<p>I mean, I’ve parked my car literally by that bridge. Like, when I’ve gone to Sydney, I’ve visited Bondi Beach, I don’t know every second time that I’ve gone to Sydney, so probably 20 or 30 times over my life. And I’ve parked my car at that very spot. I know exactly where that is. You know, where that big, surf house is, the big clubhouse there. You have lunch just on the other side of the road from that shooting.</p>
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<p>So it was recognizable immediately. The reaction from the police was to be expected. It was typical. I mean, seeing the police just take so long to react, that’s pretty common in Australia. If you’re a White nationalist, they’ll pull the gun out on you like the millisecond. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> I think they rev themselves up when they come to your house. I think the police in Australia are a bit different to the police in America. They’re not sort of combat aware, they’re not psychologically trained to deal with these sort of scenarios.</p>
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<p>Whereas I think in America the threat level of gun violence is so high, or at least they’re trained to expect a high level of gun violence. Whereas in Australia, the police don’t have any balls unless they’ve got like two hours to psychologically prepare for kicking your door in. Because every time I’ve had issues with police, you know, there’ll be 10 or 20 of them and they already have the guns out and they’re ready to shoot you while you’re trying to answer your door.</p>
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<p>But when there’s an actual active shooter situation, I mean, they’re just hiding behind cars and you saw like two of the female police officers have mental breakdowns. It was just really embarrassing.</p>
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<p>What else? I mean, yeah, my understanding was that, sorry, I’ll let you go. There’s so much to cover.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So of course we had Arsen Ostrovsky coming out early. And of course this is one of the reasons why I had questions about it I mean, he literally came to Australia. He said in the clip here we could play it in a moment, but like three weeks ago to fight anti-semitism, and this was heightened. The whole jewish community has allegedly like, warned that this was going to happen. There was a number of posts from the Australian jewish Association. They were talking about this was very foreseeable and stuff like that. And of course I’m gonna say:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yeah, they’re probably right.”</span></h3>
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<p>Because they’re knowing what’s happening here. Right?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And it’s very foreseeable because you have an ongoing war between Zionists and I guess just jews in general and the Palestinians in the Middle East. And they’re killing, I don’t know, somewhere between 10 and 100 Arabs a day over in the Middle East. And the way most people’s brains work, and especially the way Arabs brains work is. Yeah, they don’t recognize borders, they don’t care. And these weren’t even Arabs, technically, this father and son team. I guess they were Arabs in the sense of what etymologically the word Arab means, which is mixed. They’re a mixed population. They’re a mongrel population.</p>
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<p>But I believe these two were half Indian, half Italian.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Really?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And yes. Yeah. So the father is an Indian national and the son was born in Australia to an Indian father and I believe an Italian mother. So he’s mixed race, and he’s converted to Islam, which is what Islam is. It’s a mongrel rape gang. It’s where all the mongrels go and convert and join the big brown alliance gang together. And he received a little bit of training in the Philippines, so he probably went over to the Philippines to not just do military training, but also to probably get a blessing from ISIS, because there is an ISIS cell in the Philippines.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, Right.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So that’s what the Intel is saying is that this guy was on a watch list from 2019 or 2020 that ASIO were keeping an eye on him because of obviously what he was posting on the Internet and the mosque that he was hanging out at. So he was actually a junior scholar at one of the more further down the line Sunni mosques here in Sydney. And he was not an imam or anything like that. Not highly trained, but he’s obviously gone through to religiously study Islam. He’s not just like a Friday Muslim that’s just casually gone down there. He has actually completed like his basic diplomas in understanding Islamic studies. And clearly he’s educated in Islam enough to know that if you want your 72 virgins, you got to go kill jews.</p>
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<p>So he completed his education with that act. You could say if you understand Islam. And his father, I don’t know much about the father, but I do know that he’s an Indian national.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[10:39]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> The father was killed.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The father was killed. The son just came out of the coma, just today. The news was saying just today he’s awoken from his coma.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay. Yeah, because you saw random other Aussies attacking the crew there on the bridge obviously too. And the police couldn’t, like, they didn’t know what was going on. They didn’t have any control of the situation. And guys were just moving in. They were even going after another random brown guy, &#8230; They were like these White Aussies, &#8230; <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The footage I saw was that the first guy on the bridge to try to disarm them was a brown guy. And the one of the cops shot at him while he had his hands up.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Wow!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And then a whole bunch of Aussies jumped the bridge and tried to attack. Yeah, this is the footage here. So a bunch of Aussies are attacking because he’s wearing a black Tshirt.</p>
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<p>So it’s like an Arab in a black Tshirt. And so people obviously thought that was the same guy, but he was actually the first to run up there to be a hero and then the next two Aussies that went up there to also be heroes. That’s one thing that’s interesting is you’ve got female cops literally hiding behind cars and having mental breakdowns. And you’ve got Baz here with his shirt off, two other Aussies and an Arab guy running up there hero style, unarmed to try to tackle these guys and disarm them.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And you’ve also got, I think earlier you had that old jewish, &#8230; Oh no, he wasn’t jewish, he was a Coptic Christian. I think old Coptic Christian guy, another Arab, attack him and take the shotgun off him, but not shoot him because apparently the shotgun was out of ammunition and then he ended up getting shot I think in the arm.</p>
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<p>So it’s a chaotic situation obviously. There’s nothing suspicious about it in my opinion. I think that we should really focus on the principle that we need to be a sovereign country here in Australia. And this incident is caused by the fact that we have warring tribes in our nation! And the fault of this is the government for allowing the jews and allowing Muslims into our country when they have no place! They have no place in our country. And it doesn’t matter whether one is the victim and one is the attacker. This is caused by inter-ethnic or inter-religious conflict overseas and these problems are here. And I would have the same opinion if it was any group of people. But I especially have this opinion when it’s non-White people, when it’s brown people or desert people that are killing each other. We just don’t want these dramas here.</p>
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<p>And this is the result of not just multiculturalism, but it’s also, yeah, the result of having a very powerful jewish lobby in this country. I mean this jewish event, these weren’t nobody jews. These were actual serious Zionists, they were serious jewish leaders.</p>
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<p>And I think it’s a very fair assumption to make based off the full 10 minute footage that I’ve seen that these two went down there, these two Indian Muslims went down there with the intention to kill as many jews as possible. And I think that they also wounded about 40 other people.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, right.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And we don’t have the full list of names of all the people killed and wounded, although at least half of the names of those killed have been released already. And they appear, I think 11 out of the 12 that we have the names of do appear to be jewish. There’s one name there that appears to be potentially, &#8230; Is that one is that, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That guy, Peter Meagher. He was there as a freelance photographer to actually shoot some photos for the Hanukkah party, I believe. But that’s one White guy.</p>
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<p>I was looking at the bridge, and you can see. I mean, again, I don’t know what the like, how big was the field that the jews were in at the Hanukkah event there. But he fires this way, this way, that way. It looked like he was just shooting, like, everywhere on the beach that he basically could. That’s what it looked like to me. So first I was just kind of like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Was it a coincidence?”</span></h3>
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<p>You know, because that could happen. But I don’t know. Maybe it was publicly announced or something.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It was a publicly announced event.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> By one of the, I think it’s a Chabad. I don’t know if I’m pronouncing it right.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Chabad. All in there.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. It was a publicly announced event, and it’s very obvious. Again, I don’t have any more information than the media have already put out, but I think based on the Facebook posts of this, I mean, one of the jews that was killed was a pretty serious rabbi that had just gone back from Israel, and he was signing munitions over in Israel.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[15:32]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, look, it was an international event. There were jews from France there, there was at least a couple from Israel, I think, and, of course, Arsen Ostrovsky was one of them. And, it’s a different mindset. Right. Like, if I’d be in a situation like this. I’d be like. I wouldn’t take a selfie at that point. I wouldn’t kind of push so hard politically.</p>
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<p>But then you realize that’s how motivated these people are, that if these pieces lined up the way that they did and he just happens to be there, what is it? A human rights lawyer out of Israel or whatever to fight anti-semitism in Australia, he happens to find themselves there again, you can have questions about it, I think, but you don’t have to go into conspiracy.</p>
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<p>But the point is, this is how they’re thinking. That’s what I want to say, Tom. If this happens, it’s immediately use it!:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Like, second one, boom! Let’s go! Propaganda, push our issues!”</span></h3>
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<p>That’s what happens.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, look, I got a few things to say on that.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> When Carl Rittenhouse shot into a group of Antifa. When he was getting attacked, he took out two pedophiles.</p>
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<p>So when you, not randomly, but when you’re getting attacked by Antifa, and if you take down two of them, there’s a strong chance that they’re a pedophile, that they’re a sex offender. And I don’t think it’s suspicious that two Muslims planned a terror attack to kill a bunch of jews. And it happened to be, out of the couple hundred jews that were there, there happened to be human rights lawyers and like, huge Zionist advocates. And I think you’d find it in a crowd of two or three hundred jews, especially, &#8230; And these weren’t secular jews. That’s an important point, is this wasn’t a secular jewish meeting. This wasn’t like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, jews, come to the park and hang out!”</span></h3>
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<p>These were jews from the local synagogue in Bondi. And Bondi is a relatively jewish area. So it’s a touristy area, and it has a huge amount of rich White people that live there, but there’s also quite a large jewish population there. There’s, like a jewish enclave there, a wealthy jewish enclave there.</p>
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<p>So there are some synagogues in Bondi, and this was one of the local synagogues that organized this. And they’re like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yep, let’s do our thing down at the beach.”</span></h3>
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<p>So, yeah, there’s really nothing suspicious about this except there’s one video of the old man missing, like, three or four shots. And I mean, I don’t think that’s overly suspicious. I mean, it’s at close range, but, I mean, adrenaline, who knows?</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right? Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I haven’t seen anything other than that one video of him missing three shots. Like what? Yeah, it’s not Call of Duty. There’s just a lot of firearms experts on the Internet. There’s a lot of people that are just really quick to call:</p>
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<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, it’s Mossad! It’s Mossad! It’s Mossad!”</span></h3>
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<p>And it’s like, no, sometimes Muslims just kill people. And we have a really bad, you know, sort of subculture, I think, within the broader spectrum of White nationalism and dissident politics, where:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Everything’s a conspiracy! And everything is like Mossad’s behind everything! There’s Mossad in your skirting board listening to you!”</span></h3>
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<p>And it’s like, this is just paranoia. Sometimes it’s just an actual terrorist attack. Now, if I’m presented with evidence that there was a Mossad connection, but all I’ve seen is AI, fake edits. Yeah, just Photoshop. I’ve just seen garbage! I’ve just seen the most low rent garbage! Psyop! You know, the real psyop is people thinking everything’s Mossad. I think that’s the real Mossad psyop.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, interesting point. Yeah. No, I’m not the one who immediately that’s, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Did you see Baz? That’s what put him in the coma.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, I figured. Right. Because I’m not sure if the other guy there, he, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Sorry. No, no, that’s the wrong one. No, no, sorry. It was a different head stomp. There was a different guy that kicked. So Baz kicked the father, old man in the head, but another younger guy, a fitter younger guy with tattoos, kicked the other one in the head.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So before this footage.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, so okay, so moving on from whether:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“This was it a planned event! They knew it was going to happen. They knew the worst cops that day was, &#8230; They were running the shift then, these females. Because then you have mass impact.”</span></h3>
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<p>Okay, putting that to the side for now. It is what it is. We’re just looking at it for what it is. It’s then you come back to the official, you know, world in terms of the failure of the police, of the intelligence services. And the point of priority too, right? Because there is a kind of a, there’s blame here.</p>
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<p>Like as much resources and effort and time and ultimately then money and manpower is being spent on you and on your group and people around you. Joel <span style="color: #008000;">[Davis]</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">[Jacob]</span> Hersant, all these people around there to monitor you and to arrest you and keep an eye on you and spy on you go to the park to box and then there they are. They have men assigned to just watching you guys. Right? That kind of stuff.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Is this gonna force them to get their act together? Are they going to start taking the Muslim issues seriously? Is it going to be enough pressure from the jewish community that then that’s when they listen, right? When jews are murdered now they’re going to actually do something about this. What do you think they’re going to happen here, the next stage in this?</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[21:01]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> In theory, you’re correct. In theory, when jews are affected, then you’ll see genuine pressure against Muslims. But what you’ll find is the jews are experts at transmuting any anti-Islamic energy into just being energy around anti-semitism in general. And you can already see the Labor Party for those that aren’t aware in America, the Labor Party here in Australia is kind of like our version of the Democrat Party. It’s the center-Left, so-called center-Left party. And you’ve got Tony Burke who’s the sort of, he heads the State Department. I think he’s the Home Affairs Minister. You’ve got the Prime Minister Albanese and you’ve got another guy who I’ve never seen on TV before, which is funny, they keep him hidden from TV. I think he’s the Defense Minister. His name is I think Murphy, and he is the gayest I have ever seen on Australian television. No, not Murphy. Marles. His name is Marles.*</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[*The minister for defence is the minister of state of the Commonwealth of Australia charged with overseeing the organization, implementation, and formulation of strategic policy in defence and military matters as the head of the Department of Defence. The minister for defence is responsible for the Australian Defence Organization, including the Australian Defence Force (ADF). The current defence minister is Richard Marles, who is also concurrently serving as deputy prime minister of Australia, having been selected by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in May 2022 following the 2022 Australian federal election.]</span></p>
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<p>And all three of them senior Labor Party guys, they are just getting roasted at the moment for their failure. And they are basically trying to transmute and put the blame back onto Nazis saying:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Well, our government has done the most to shut down hate speech. Our government has done the most to stop anti-semitism. Our government banned the Nazi salute. Our government has been going after these neo-Nazis!”</span></h3>
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<p>And on several occasions journalists have cut them off and have said:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hang on a minute, what are you going to do about these Muslims?”</span></h3>
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<p>Because obviously even though the media are very controlled in their nature, it’s really hard for the media to hold the party line together that the Labor Party are trying to hold together, which is “<em>that this is a broad stroke anti-semitism issue</em>” and then transmute it from broad smoke, broad stroke anti-semitism onto:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Look how much we’ve done to stop Nazis!”</span></h3>
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<p>And the mainstream media even covered the deportation of Matthew Gruter after <span style="color: #008000;">[before]</span> this terrorist attack. So those that don’t know who Matthew Gruter is, he’s a member of our organization. He was a South African national that was here on a work Visa who attended an “<em>expose jewish power</em>” rally. I think it was “<em>Abolish the jewish Lobby</em>” rally. And he was doxed and deported. He was raided within, I think a day or two of him being doxed and he was put in a camp and then deported from that camp.</p>
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<p>And so look, there’s nothing, the Australian government’s got no issues with putting people in camps and deporting them, which is interesting. And the media even mentioned:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Well, hang on a minute, this guy didn’t break any law and he was deported.”</span></h3>
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<p>And yet this son and this father were both, &#8230; Yeah, you’ve got the old video there.</p>
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<p>So there’s a new video where they actually started talking about him in reference to the fact that these two terrorists had traveled in and out of the country on several occasions to potentially receive military training.</p>
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<p>And so you have people that are on a watch list for being involved with the Islamic State and training with the Islamic State and they own firearms. That’s another important point.</p>
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<p>So this is Tony Burke. This is one of the faggots that personally had Matthew Gruter deported. He’s going to be deported to the Congo. We’re going to make sure that this faggot here, Tony Burke, is deported to the Congo. And that’s Penny Wong, the Chinese foreign minister.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> What could go wrong! <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But, yeah, Wong! Yeah. A former Australian Prime Minister:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Two Wongs don’t make a White!”</span></h3>
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<p>Like back in the 50s or 60s, I think it was Harold Holt, or whoever came after him said:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Two Wongs don’t make a White!”</span></h3>
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<p>Back then we were based and someone tried to bring their Asian war bride over from the Korean War and they denied access to the war bride or maybe they snuck her into the country. And then they were basically trying. They were trying to deport like, the one brown person that had been let into <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> the country that year! And yeah, the prime minister said something like “<em>two Wongs don’t make a White</em>” when the media asked him why he was being deported. And even though technically be one Wong.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But anyway, yeah, so where was I going? I mean, it’s just they’re trying to obviously transmute this atrocity or this terrorist attack into being another battering ram against White Australia, against Neo-Nazis, against anti-semitism in general. What can they do? I don’t think they can do much except hot air. They’re not going to be able to change the laws in any way that’s going to be able to stop us from operating.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The way that the Labour Party has reacted to this has caused a huge amount of mainstream media condemnation. I mean, the mainstream media even played on national television, these Labor Party MPs, both state and federal MPs, rocking up to press conferences and getting booed by the public and getting booed by the jewish community.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So that’s very rare! They don’t usually show that on television. So the Labor Party is definitely just getting smashed at the moment.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But again, it’s that usual trick of “<em>jew Left and jew Right</em>”. And what they’re doing is they’re now really promoting the Liberal Party as being the only party that’s going to save the jews, and the Labor Party doesn’t have the balls to save the jews. And there’s a lot of layers to that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So for example, the reason why these senior Labor Party like the Prime Minister, the Defense Minister and the Home affairs minister, the reason why they won’t call out the Muslims and why they’re trying to deflect it onto neo-Nazis is because the Labor Party can’t get elected into office without the Muslim vote and without the Indian vote. And these two were both Muslim and Indian!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[27:00]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So they don’t want to talk about the fact that he was an Indian national and he should have been deported. Obviously we shouldn’t have any Indians in the country. But even by their own metrics and by their own standards of fit and proper person checks, which is another important thing to bring up, is that it is quite hard to get a gun license in Australia if you’re a political dissident. It is not hard to get a gun license. The way that Australian gun laws work. Because I know Americans love saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“You guys gave up your guns. You, Australia doesn’t have any guns!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That’s not true at all! And that’s just like what we don’t have is civilian access to military style firearms like semi-autos. Yeah, we don’t have access to semi-autos unless there’s a caveat to that, which is unless you’re what’s called a primary producer, or a professional hunter.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So if you have a contract, even if it’s just as low as like, I don’t know, $5,000 a year to contract shoot on people’s property, to shoot pests. Even if those pests are like foxes or something, or rabbits. You can get access to an AR15 in this country.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So it’s not true that we don’t have guns in this country. We have quite high gun ownership as a nation. And to get a CatAB which is basically rim fires and center fires, but in bolt action or pump. So we can get pump and bolt action. Like the rifle that this terrorist was using is called a Cat B rifle.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So what that means is it&#8217;s a bolt action rifle, it’s center fired, high powered and there’s not even a magazine capacity on it. Usually when you buy the rifles they come with a five or ten round magazine. It’s not actually illegal to own larger magazines. It doesn’t look good when the police come to inspect your safe. Which again, if you’re not a political dissident. It will very rarely happen. Most licensed firearm owners might only get a safe inspection once every five or 10 years. And it’ll just be two local cops. They’ll knock on your door, they’ll usually call you 24 hours beforehand and they’ll say</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hi, I’m Sergeant so and so from the local police station, I need to come check your guns. I’ll be there tomorrow at nine o’ clock in the morning.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then you obviously make sure you’ve got all your shit squared away. They rock up to your house, they knock on your door, you let the two cops in, they have a look at your safe, they talk to you about what the weather’s doing and you know, how the Labor Party’s gay and try to be a friend and then they leave. And that’s basically what the local firearm section of the cops do. Because they know that every gun owner is all the vast, vast majority of gun owners are Right-wing and they’re just patriots, but they don’t have any views outside of just very common sense, low level patriotism and gun ownership or libertarianism. And there’s really very little dramas there.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So you can get that rifle that he’s shooting there, you can get that by just going down to the police station, filling out some paperwork, doing a one day course on firearm safety and then applying to become a member of any gun club or getting a Crown hunting permit. So a permit to hunt on Crown land.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Do you have to be a member of a gun club?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yes.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah. Same as Sweden, basically.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You can’t own a rifle in Australia for the purpose of self defense.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You have to either you either own it because you target shoot at a gun club or you own it because you go hunting on Crown land. And all you need to do is, I think to hunt on Crown land, I think you pay 50 bucks a year or something. I used to be a licensed and registered gun owner. Obviously when I got involved in dissident politics I sold my guns and transferred them into other people’s names, just so that I didn’t have any ownership of guns. Because I could predict that they would use that as an opportunity to raid my house. And I’d heard of people that were involved in dissident politics, they went from never having a gun safe inspection to having like multiple gun safe inspections per year. And it was never just the two local cops. There would be two local cops that would come down and they’d have a weird look on their face like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, hi!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And they would rock up unannounced. That was another thing. Whereas normally they would always call you. And they would have six guys in suits, you know, rock up with them.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, who are these people? What?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And they’re just like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, we’re just here for the gun inspection. Oh, what police station are you from? Oh, we’re from the city. Oh, what are you doing here? Oh, we’re just having a look.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then they’re not looking at your guns, what they’re doing. The two cops are looking at your guns, making sure that it’s all stored properly.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The other six cops are walking through your house, going through your drawers because they’re the STASI* and they’re going through your bookshelf, they’re going through your drawers, they’re going through your cupboards. And until you tell them to stop and get out of your house, they’ll go through everything. They might even ask if they can go through your phone.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Stasi: Official state security service of the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) The Ministry for State Security, commonly known as the Stasi, was the state security service and secret police of East Germany from 1950 to 1990. The function of the Stasi in East Germany resembled that of the KGB in the Soviet Union, ⁠ in that it served to maintain state authority and the position of the ruling party, in this case the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. Wikipedia]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And if you’re an idiot, you’d be like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, okay.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So there’s a lot of naive people that get screwed over.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But yeah, I’ve never seen anyone that’s a face doxed nationalist be allowed to keep their guns.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[31:57]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So that’s when we talk about system failure, the government does not let face doxed nationalists own guns, no matter how tame you make your talking points.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And yet these guys they can get up to what they’re up to and at no stage do they, because the law is very subjective. We don’t have the right to own guns. What we have is what’s called a “<em>fit and proper person</em>” check, which is completely subjective. There’s no legal definition of that. There isn’t. I actually went to the Magistrates Court to prove I was a fit and proper person because they try to take my, &#8230; I used to be trained to be an Armor Guard. I never actually did Armor Guard work, I did unarmed security work, but I was trained to be an Armor Guard, so I could have bought a pistol if I wanted to because I was trained to be an Armor Guard and I had an a pistol license, even though I never owned a pistol and I had issues. I did a pistol shoot one time and the police called me and said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, you’re not allowed to do a pistol shoot, you’re not fitting proper.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And I was like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yes, I am. I have a gun license.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Even though I handed my guns in and stuff. I still had my gun license. And they said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, you got to go to the Magistrates Court and sort this out immediately or you’re going to get charged.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so I went down the Magistrates Court and did like, it was called like a section 109, fit and proper person thingy. And the Magistrates Court confirmed that I was in fact fit and proper. And I was like, “<em>phew</em>”, you know what I mean? Like, kind of wiped my brow. This is really early days when I was really early involved in politics.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But it was a big stress, like I was going to potentially, and I had a clean criminal record back then, so I was really stressed about having a firearms offense. But I had the court confirm I was fit and proper. And yeah, these guys should not have been able to be classed as fit and proper.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right. Well, that’s the thing. Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Completely subjective.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, yeah, obviously. Right. Unfortunately, that’s just those other conditions now with these people in charge of the governments.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Bondi terrorists given gun license after ASIO investigated son’s, &#8230;”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Sorry to interrupt. It’s pronounced ‘Ay Zee Oh’.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> ASIO investigated son’s Islamic State links.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So again, here’s another interesting thing to interrupt. Sorry.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But when the labor government came to power. Sorry, when they were re-elected, they. When they did all their like, banning of the Nazi salute stuff. Banned the Nazi salute, they banned the swastika, but in the same legislation they actually decriminalized the ISIS flag.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Really?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So the Liberal Party made the ISIS flag a terror symbol and they made it illegal. And the Labor Party changed the legislation when they came to power and banned the swastika and then decriminalized the ISIS flag. So you can own an ISIS flag in Australia, but you can’t, &#8230; Sorry. You can publicly display an ISIS flag in Australia, but you cannot publicly display a swastika.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Huh, Interesting!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. So that’s pretty funny. They didn’t need to do that. Like this ISIS flag was already banned and they didn’t need to touch that legislation. Why did they decriminalize it?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, it’s a feature maybe not a bug. So I don’t know!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> There’s a huge Muslim voting bloc in Australia and, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Obviously you’ve got an understanding of European politics like Nordic politics. But most Americans in the dissident Right, I think they’re really blind to the Islamic issue.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, I noticed after the Aug 31st rally which was that big March for Australia rally where I spoke in front of, I don’t know, somewhere between 20,000 and 50,000 people. You know, is it from the TRS? Is that what they’re called? The Right Stuff? Eric Striker.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I saw Eric Striker, &#8230; Well, I was in jail, so someone mailed it to me. But while I was in jail, I got mail. And it was a screenshot of like an Eric Striker tweet saying that:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“I’m like a judeophile and that I love jews and that you know, I’m against Muslims because I love jews.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And just crazy shit! Like, I’ve been an anti-semite, a public anti-semite for probably six or so years.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> You’re a proven anti-semite! <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I am <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> a proven anti-semite and everything. But he was dissecting that part of my speech where I said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“When the people waving the Palestinian flags and the Aboriginal flags came charging at us, we fought back.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right. Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And I haven’t had a chance to clarify that on stream. That actually happened. I haven’t done a response to that, but I want people to know that actually happened.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And this idea that we should not fight back against Palestinians when they’re punching us in the head or communists waving Palestinian flags so that we can one struggle with them against the Zionists, that’s fucking crazy! We’re in Australia. I’m not in the Middle East. Like, I’m not picking a side on the Middle East in the Middle East. I’m picking Australia, in Australia.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So to be fair to the Palestinians, to be fair to the Palestinians and the Arabs to give some context to that, usually they rally every weekend in Australia, in Melbourne, in Sydney and Brisbane, there’s a big rally of Arabs every single weekend in the CBD. And it’s usually 3/4 or 7/8 Muslim, you know, Arabs and 1/4 or 1/8 communists that are trying to subvert it and control them. And what they’ve done is they’ve created a brown alliance where they’re waving Abo flags and they’re waving Palestinian flags because they’re trying to convert the Muslims to being on the side of the communists for the Aboriginal issue.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[37:46]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“We’re not anti-zionists. We’re anti-colonialists! And the Zionists are a problem because they’re colonialists. It’s not because they’re Zionists. It’s because they’re colonialists. And because they’re jewish nationalists.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Which I guess is what zionism is.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But it’s not a specific form of anti-semitism. They’re trying to, instead of it being counter jewish or counter anti-semitism, the communist groups are trying to convert all these Arabs to the cause. Now they’ve been very unsuccessful broadly, but they have converted a small percentage.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so on that day, on August 31st, the vast majority of Arabs didn’t show up. The vast majority. So normally that weekend rally, that pro-Palestine rally, is normally, as I said, 7/8 Arab, 1/8th communist. On that day it was almost the other way around. It was probably 3/4 communist, 1/4 Arab. So the vast, vast majority of Arabs. And we had leaks because we’ve got people in their group chats to keep an eye on. We had leaks from their group chats saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“We ’re not going down, this is the reason why we’re not going down, don’t attend, we’re just going to have a week off. We still care about the cause, obviously, but it’s not a good idea. We don’t want a front on confrontation with March for Australia because it doesn’t achieve what we want to achieve, which is we want Australians having sympathy for Palestine. And so if we let the March for Australia people rally this weekend and wave the Aussie flags, we should stay the hell away from them so that it doesn’t interfere with our kind of our optics.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>They were optics cucking. They were like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“We’re not going to rally this week.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so the vast, vast majority of Arabs did not come down. They didn’t want that confrontation. But some still came down.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so it’s just crazy, like, yes, and it’s similar to this Bondi incident. So the context of the Bondi incident is, did he wave away most Arabs and most White Australians? You can see in that 10 minute footage the two terrorists on several occasions wave away, the young guy at least, waved away heaps of Aussies and Arabs that were swearing at him, that were carrying on, that were getting close to them. There was a lot of people, a lot of Aussies that were coming up from the other side, not from the beach, but from the other side that were saying like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“What are you doing? Stop what you’re doing!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Like that kind of rhetoric. And there was a bunch of women screaming like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh my God, stop!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Like that’s gonna help! And he was just, you could see him, he’s like waving him away. He’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Piss off! Go away!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And a lot of the guys like having a go at him had beards, whether they were Aussies or whether they’re Arabs. So obviously he wasn’t going to shoot anyone that was like Arab looking with a beard. So he did pick his target, that’s very clear. But that doesn’t mean that White Australians weren’t shot on the day.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So again, again, I’m getting ankle bit by individuals who are saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, he put out a post about White Australians, but this was an attack on jews.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like, I’m aware that it was predominantly an attack on jews and the media have been talking non-stop about jews since it happened and our responsibility is White Australians. I don’t have a responsibility for jews, I have a responsibility for White Australians.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I think it’s very important that we try to retake some of that narrative because the politicians have said nothing about how this is an attack on Australians, let alone White Australians.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Obviously the politicians aren’t going to say this is an attack on White Australians.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But I mean, I saw one of the opposition leaders come out with a post just today and, sorry, it was a video, and he said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“This terrorist attack is an attack on the jewish community. And although it’s disrespectful to Australians this is the primary issue is that it’s an attack on the jewish community and it’s about hatred and we have to stop hatred of jews.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like, hang on a minute. Disrespectful to Australians? Like there’s a little bit more than disrespectful to Australians! Yeah, I mean the idea that shooting at Australians is:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“It’s disrespectful, but it’s not driven by hate of Australia and Australia’s values. It’s driven by hatred of jews!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah. So the call that you’ve seen then is obviously, yes, the jewish community seems to be mobilizing around, targeting Albanese and the Labor government, obviously that they want them out. I think I even heard, is it Sharri Markson* on Sky News, the jewish host there? She was talking about how Albanese had, I forget exactly what the word is. I’m paraphrasing, but it’s like “<em>have emboldened or aided Hamas</em>” or something in Australia. Is there any truth to that? Or is it like, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yes.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay, yeah, give me your take on that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>* Sharri Markson (born 8 March 1984) is a Jewish Australian journalist and author. She is investigations editor at The Australian and host of the Sky News Australia program Sharri, which airs 8-9 PM Monday to Thursday. She is the winner of numerous awards in journalism, including two Walkley Awards.]</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[42:32]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The Right-wing jews in Australia are very connected obviously with the Liberal Party. And the Liberal Party has never been doing worse in the history of its existence in the Australian political spectrum.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So what’s happening in Australia in the last four or five years is the Liberal Party has gone from a serious contender at winning the 51% of the, not the primary vote, but the total vote. When you get all the preferencing schemes or the minor parties or the satellite parties all funnel all their votes into the Liberal Party so they can win the 51%. They went from a serious contender to that, to basically total party death. I mean the Liberal Party is on its way to becoming no longer being one of the big two. And Australian politics is fracturing on the Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so the jews, the Zionist jews especially, are absolutely petrified that they’re losing that conservative Right, You know, the control, what’s it called? The gatekeeper. They’re losing their gate-keeping party. The “<em>Containment Right</em>”, sorry is the word I’m looking for. They’re losing control of the Containment Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so the jews are shifting between One Nation which is the slightly more Right-wing party, led by a redhead lady called Pauline Hanson, who was fish and chip shop lady that said racist things about Asians and now she’s like the biggest judeophile in the country.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so they’re shifting support towards One Nation and the Right-wing faction within the Liberal Party. And there is truth to the fact that the Labor Party has aided and abetted Hamas in the sense that the Labor Party gains a lot of its vote from the Muslim blocs and does everything it can to not upset the Muslims. And when this war in Palestine was going on, the Labor Party was in a very difficult situation because a lot of the people that make up the Labor Party are, &#8230; And also their main alliance, which is with the Greens, which is a very Left-wing party that’s very pro-Palestine. The Labor Party are caught between a rock and a hard place where they’re really pro-jewish but they kind of have to be anti-Israel. Similar to like the Jeremy Corbyns, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I was gonna say, it’s like UK. Even Sweden has that dynamic too with the Social Democrats. They’re extremely in with the Muslim faction and trying to bring them aboard and they’re kind of infiltrating the party and they are actually taking more power.</p>
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<p>And so the kind of conservative opposition is therefore kind of forced to take an even more pro-stance. Even the Sweden, Democrats were like led into the fold of like being unofficial ties with Israel. They went to a trip over there recently and they were of course so happy about it. But just to reiterate that point. You are right that there’s a lot of people in America that don’t understand the Muslim dynamic, that they just think that Muslims are simply, &#8230; Has it been used like that? Of course! I mean, even opening the borders partially to Muslims. Right. Have been kind of a geostrategic demographic plan, if you will, right from the War on Terror with the neocons, which displaced a lot of these people. They used that as the excuse and now we have to let in Muslims.</p>
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<p>So there’s a sure, there’s a functionality in that. Not every one, obviously, but some doesn’t seem to understand just how big of a problem that that is and that the Muslim organized community actually is. And they just think them as pawns of Mossad and Israeli interests essentially. Right.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And also the dynamic in Australia is very different to America. So in America you have predominantly a Mexican and an African problem.</p>
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<p>And so you have whole suburbs taken over by Mexicans or you have whole suburbs taken over by Africans. We don’t have that in Australia. There’s no suburb in Australia that’s taken over by Mexicans and there’s very few suburbs, like there’s probably only two or three suburbs in Melbourne and maybe one or two suburbs in Sydney that are taken over by Africans. But what we do have is we have entire regions of our cities, like we’re talking 3, 4, 5, 6 suburbs at a time, taken over by Arabs. And we have huge Islamic, you know, voting blocks. We have huge Islamic organizations. The Muslims are very organized. Like I used to work in the northern suburbs just as a casual worker when I was doing the residential care. And there was a resi home in the northern suburbs and I was looking after some drug addict teenagers, and you know, taking them to play footy and stuff like that. And they were the only White kids in the whole area.</p>
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<p>I mean, there was three mosques in that suburb. And I’m telling you there was probably 5,000 Muslims per mosque, all fighting age men, all fit, all healthy. It was an army. There was probably, there was like more than a division, more than a division, like a World War II size division, like probably 15,000 fighting Muslims in that one suburb.</p>
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<p>And I mean, we’re talking about guys aged between 18 and 40 you know, on the steroids train at the kickboxing gym. You know, I mean, like when you talk about “<em>tribe and train</em>”, they were organized on another level! And so and they’re political, they’re religious, they’re not low IQ niggers running around shooting each other with guns. They’re much more intelligent. They’re probably like averaging a 95 IQ, which is in that zone where they can organize effectively in very large numbers. The Africans can’t do that. So, if there’s societal collapse, if there’s a breakdown, you’ve got potentially tens of thousands of Muslim fighters as a fifth column in your country, that’s a way bigger threat than just like the chaos and anarchy of a hundred thousand Africans just in this city.</p>
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<p>So I think some Americans probably do understand it. They might live in particular areas and they might be observing what happens in Europe and our situation is closer to Europe than it is to America’s.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right, exactly, exactly!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. With the added factor of the Chinese and the Indians. So yeah, they’re obviously less militant, but they’re equally as organized at an economic level.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, exactly! It’s a major problem. And they’re kind of there’s this alliance, as you said, between the, usually the Labor government, the Left-wing governments and the Muslim faction kind of thing.</p>
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<p>So I’m very familiar with it now that’s played out in Sweden. It’s very detrimental and yeah, so basically it’s a multi-pronged attack. It’s Chinese, it’s Indians, it’s Muslims, it’s jews. It’s like everyone!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Social cohesion. It’s social cohesion.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> That’s what the so the government. I’ve never heard this word used so much in the last six months. It’s like they got the patch, like they got the software patch, they got the software update. Every media station, every politician on all sides, Liberal, Labor, all they talk about now is “<em>social cohesion</em>”. Every press conference, “<em>social cohesion</em>”.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Interesting!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Every arrest, social cohesion! Every law change they’re trying to make:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“We got to improve social cohesion!”</span></h3>
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<p>And you know when ASIO gets up on the TV, like Mike Burgess, when he gets up on the press releases:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Social cohesion! Social cohesion! Social cohesion!”</span></h3>
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<p>It is the running meme of 2025 here in Australia is the government will not stop talking about social cohesion, which really is about public trust in the institutions, public trust in the government and the fact that we’re in a multipolar society, that guns or no guns, people are breaking away from each other and everyone is getting way more racist.</p>
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<p>All people, all Whites, Indians, Muslims, Chinese people, we’re going into that mode where boundaries between suburbs are becoming more clear and White flight is becoming far more obvious. And, yeah, people are starting to stick to their own areas more, which in America you’ve probably had for a really long time. You’ve had probably that breakdown in social cohesion.</p>
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<p>But here in Australia, we had this, like crazy salt and pepper multiculturalism where every suburb just had a light Dusting of high IQ, non-White people that we just stole from the Third World. But now we’ve got all the foot soldiers here. So now the social cohesion’s properly broken down now.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Do you think they intend to actually use it in the way we use it, or did we have to integrate them, then better? Is that the kind of the, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> No, they’re not even bothering with that’s the brilliant part of it. Their strategy is so ineffective, they’re not even bothering to talk about assimilation anymore. They gave up on assimilation about five years ago. I haven’t really heard that word used by any of the parties, except maybe One Nation. They’re probably the only one still trying to die on the hill of assimilation, which is good. I’m glad that there’s a controlled opposition in that area so that they can die on the hill of assimilation, because it won’t work.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> And that’s Pauline Hanson.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, it’s Pauline Hanson.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. So she’s gone from a pretty explicitly White nationalist position where it’s like her maiden speech, she said:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Australia is being threatened by being flooded with Asians!”</span></h3>
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<p>And the whole mainstream media just mocked her. They didn’t argue against it. They just mocked her and said:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“That that’s insane! That’s ridiculous!”</span></h3>
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<p>And this is in 1996. And she was right. And now that she’s right, instead of doubling down on her position that Australia’s now flooded with Asians, she’s now got Asians and Indians in her party. And she’s saying:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, but these are assimilated. They’re assimilated Asians!”</span></h3>
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<p>And so she’s gone like, she’s doubling down on Civnattery and the assimilation method.</p>
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<p>Whereas the Liberal Party and Labor Party. The Liberal Party has two factions. It has the Right-wing and Left-wing in it. So it’s meant to be a Right-wing party, but it’s actually been taken over by Left-wingers.</p>
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<p>And I’m not just talking about the Overton Window shifting. It actually has had a coup, like an internal coup. And basically the Right-wing faction was more aligned with that One Nation rhetoric. Like they want to maintain the assimilation lie, whereas the Left-wing faction:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“No, that’s racist! You can’t say ‘assimilation’ because that implies that our culture is better than theirs. So they shouldn’t be assimilating into our culture.”</span></h3>
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<p>So that’s fucking awesome! That’s great news. I don’t want these people assimilating or attempting to assimilate.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> No.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And the ones that have attempted are being outnumbered now by the ones that don’t even give a fuck and don’t have any respect for our culture and society. And so, yeah, social cohesion is at an all time low.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that’s basically the situation in Australian politics. And now they’re calling for deportations, but they’re doing it in a very soft way. They basically want to try to just more of the same. They want to deport and block anti-semites coming in the country. And the rhetoric is not really around like anything like Donald Trump where he’s talking about people from shithole countries. That rhetoric is not on the menu here in Australia.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right. Yep. Nope. Exactly!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Pauline Hanson’s broached it a little bit, but nowhere at the same level.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So basically the Right-wing in the United States or Donald Trump, like the MAGA camp is more Right-wing than the party that’s broken away from. Not to sound too complicated, <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> but like One Nation has basically tripled in size in the last couple of years because the Liberal Party, after there was a Left-wing coup in it, is just in shambles.</p>
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<p>And so I guess this leads into the next point which is about building up our party and the kind of support that we’re seeing.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Exactly! No, I want to get into that. And guys, I’ll get to some of your chats and questions for Tom here too in a moment. I appreciate the support there too. We’ll get to that.</p>
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<p>Just quick, regarding the gun there’s a couple of things in terms of the fallout here. I think you have the next election in 2028 and again, I’m not staring myself too blind on this, but it’s just an interesting dynamic in terms of like will the current government been able to push through then a couple of things when it comes to additional gun laws or maybe then restricting these, even these hunting license, you know, hunting licenses that they’re handing out right now! And what do you think will happen in regards to the hate this was one headline from GB News here:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Racial Hatred laws must be tightened in the wake of Bondi beach massacre!”</span></h3>
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<p>So are these the two main things that the Labor Party will deal with, do you think?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yes. So Jack Eltis, the state leader <span style="color: #008000;">[of NSN]</span> for New South Wales, put out a very good post recently where he basically explained that it’s sad that the government is going to take away more rights of freedoms or privileges of the Australian population, but it’s ultimately a net positive in the sense that Australians do need to get shocked into reality. They need to wake up from their slumber and realize that no matter what happens, good, bad, indifferent, the result it’s going to be mutated into taking away their rights. That there’s never going to be a solution to deporting all these Muslims. There’s never going to be a solution to stopping the level of crime. Any law that’s passed is just going to affect you. And that these laws are constantly just, yeah, mutated to affect White Australians when White Australians are not the cause of the problem.</p>
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<p>So I know a lot about gun laws in Australia because I used to be really interested in it as a subject prior to really dedicating myself to White nationalism. Really there’s not much they can do, there’s not much the government can do except hot air. What they will do if they want some sort of nominal victory is they will ban all the niche firearms that aren’t bolt action.</p>
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<p>So at the moment in Australia we’ve got a whole bunch of firearms that kind of circumvent the law in the sense that they aren’t actually bolt action rifles, but you can get them on a Cat B license, which anyone can get if you join a hunting club, which is what this young Arab, this young half Indian Muslim dude did. He just joined, I think the Zavasta Hunting Club, which is like Serbian hunting club. It’s just connected to the Serbian community. Not that they’ve got any implication in this. That must have been his local hunting club. He joined that club, therefore he gets access to a Cat B.</p>
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<p>But he didn’t use a strictly bolt action rifle in the attack. He used a straight, what’s called a “<em>straight pull</em>”, which, Beretta make one, I think Ticker makes one. There’s a whole bunch of gun companies that make niche rifles, but they’re always very expensive. A bolt action rifle in Australia would cost somewhere between six hundred and twelve hundred dollars. Like a decent one, or a half decent one. The straight pulls are usually the more bougie end of the market. Like two and a half, $3,000. Three and a half thousand dollars. So rifles are very expensive in Australia.</p>
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<p>And what they would do to get a nominal victory is they would change the law and say:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Straight pulls, they’re rapid fire bolt actions, they’re too fast! And we can’t let people get them!”</span></h3>
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<p>So that means the next terror attack will be like 20% slower, right? Instead of 15 people being killed, maybe 14 or 13 people will be killed.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So just send more cops and the amount of kills will be the same. Or more female cops.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Well, shit, one of the female cops almost killed just a random Arab on the bridge.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, of course, <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> yeah, yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So the death toll almost got higher! You know, insert the Sam Hyde clip. Fuck!</p>
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<p>Yeah, they scare me genuinely, especially when they’re at the door.</p>
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<p>But yeah, I’ve had a male cop tackle me like with his gun out. And I wasn’t in fear at all! I was just like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“I’m not resisting, I’m not resisting!”</span></h3>
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<p>Like, I was just chill.</p>
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<p>But when I see a female cop with a gun out, I freak out! I’m like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“This is it. Hail Odin! Like it’s over. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> Yeah, take me!”</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Take you to Valhalla? Yeah, if a female cop shoots you, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The Valkyries have come to take me! Oh no. Because they’re just so scary, because they’re shaking and shit! Like they get the brief. Like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“He’s a terrorist! He’s a maniac! Be on guard!”</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And you say that to a woman with a gun before they’re like kicking your door. And fuck! It’s like they’re on speed. Like their pupils are so dilated its scary.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh gosh!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The look in their eyes is scary. Yeah, it’s like you can’t tell where they’re predator or prey. It’s a mixture of both. They’re prey with a gun. It’s crazy!</p>
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<p>But anyway, I’ll stop with the &#8220;misogyny&#8221;, because it’s not the point of the stream.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Let’s have some more. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> Come on! Okay. Yeah. So you know, again you have the Port Arthur massacre.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You know that definitely is very suspicious!</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, I mean, undoubtedly. Right.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> There’s questions and it’s not because one’s a Muslim and one’s not. It’s not about that. The Port Arthur massacre is extremely suspicious and there’s a lot of good docos that have been made on it. An associate, I wouldn’t say an associate that might get him in trouble, but someone I’ve actually met before in the alternative sort of political space a decade ago, a guy called Paul Moder*, he actually made a documentary called Wasp on the Port Arthur massacre. And he spent about 10 years researching the Port Arthur massacre. And yeah, I won’t go into detail because I don’t want to do a conspiracy stream today, but it’s very obvious that what they’re telling us about that situation is just not true.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Film director and actor Paul Moder has embarked on a cinematic retelling of the Port Arthur Massacre, which goes into full production 2019, under the title of WASP. But unlike the current wave of “<em>true crime</em>”, Moder attempts to unpick the official version of events and create a rare piece of Australian revisionist-history cinema. Well before it’s made, WASP is already very controversial, but it continues a lineage of pessimism and historical revisionism that started in late 1960s with films like Blow Up, Parallax View and reaching crescendo with Oliver Stone’s JFK in 1991. https:// www.pureshitauscinema.com/interviews/moder.html]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah. And then end result of that, a lot of the guns were, it was a buyback program. Right. That happened after.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So it’s a bit misunderstood. Even in Australia, most people don’t really know what happened. So John Howard* <span style="color: #008000;">[former Aust PM]</span> passed laws saying you can’t own semi-autos anymore, again unless you’ve got this special Cat C, Cat D license, whereas you used to get all firearms all on the same license.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* John Winston Howard (born 26 July 1939) is an Australian former politician who served as the 25th prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, holding office as leader of the Liberal Party of Australia. His eleven-year tenure as prime minister is the second-longest in Australian history, after that of Sir Robert Menzies. Since the death of Bob Hawke in 2019, Howard is the oldest living Australian former prime minister. Howard was born in Sydney and studied law at the University of Sydney. He was a commercial lawyer before entering Parliament.]</span></p>
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<p>And I think some states, they didn’t even have licenses. I’ve heard stories of people, they could go into Kmart and buy a gun and like just buy it off the shelf and just take it on the train and go home with it. I’ve actually spoken to people in person that have said that they used to be able to, when they’re 18, they could walk down to the sports shop and buy a gun, get on a train, take the gun home on the train. No one would even blink an eye. And that was the Australia they grew up in. So some really similar to how America used to be. But after Port Arthur they changed the law so you can’t have semi-autos and they Instituted more licensing sort of schematics.</p>
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<p>But what they did was they did it, they did a buyback program, but the stats of it are not publicly known. They’re publicly available, but they only got about 700,000 rifles in that first year. Obviously they got a few more later on, but they only got back about 700,000 rifles.</p>
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<p>And I think 4% of the rifles they got back in the buyback were semi-autos. And to put that into context, 600,000 SKS is, were imported into the country in 1995 and 1996. So the year that the gun buyback happened, more SKS came into the country than SKS were handed over.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh, interesting.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Really any rifle that was handed over, almost.</p>
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<p>So yeah, there’s a lot of law in this country about, there’s a whole generation of guys in their 70s and 80s that have all just got like crates of SKS is buried on their farms. Now, I’ve personally never seen it, I’ve never witnessed it, never touched one, never heard of one. They all got lost in fishing trips as far as, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Tragic boating accident!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yes, tragic boating accidents. I got no knowledge of anything like of the sort! But there’s a lot of like folklore about those hundreds of thousands of SKS that came in the country in 1996. As I said, only 4% of the 700,000 rifles that were handed back were semi-autos. And actually they’re not SKSs. They were actually SKKs.</p>
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<p>So they’re like a Chinese SKS that could take AK magazines. And very occasionally there’ll be a shooting between like bikies and the cops. And you’ll see it’s full automatic fire coming out of one of these SKKs, shooting the helicopters or something crazy like that.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, but again that’s all very old, like, …</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, right.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’ll be in the Cosmoline oil* or whatever in the crates in the ground and 99% of them be forgotten about if the bikies don’t get their hands on them. But the Arabs actually have AKs and Glocks, all these like organized crime groups. There’s a whole shipment of Glocks that went missing years ago.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Cosmoline is the genericized trademark for a common class of brown, wax-like petroleum-based corrosion inhibitors, typically conforming to United States, Military Standard MIL-C-11796C Class 3. They are viscous when freshly applied, have a slight fluorescence, and solidify over time with exposure to air. The main ingredient in cosmoline is aliphatic petroleum solvent, which is volatile and evaporates over time.]</span></p>
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<p>There’s been two terrorist attacks on Australian soil in the past by Africans of all things. And they got AKs from the local mosque. So there’s a huge amount of illegal firearms to that have been imported in the country since 1996 that the Arabs and Muslims have control over. Because they’re involved with organized crime.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Correct? Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> They control the vast majority of organized crime in Australia, similar to Sweden.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep, that’s right. Exactly! Yeah. Guns came in. I figured it’d be a little bit more complicated with Australia being an island as opposed to the EU. You can basically just drive in with them from like some Balkan country or something.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But they get them in the same way they get drugs and they just get them in on shipping container. If a whole bunch get caught, they don’t care. They can bring in a thousand at a time.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, they’re the arming themselves and they’re being allowed to also. Yeah, I mean, let’s be honest. It’s a feature and not a bug, I think, to be honest.</p>
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<p>Okay, so the next thing that we’re going. Yeah, okay, so Hate Speech laws. Anything else you want to say about that? What do you think? So they banned the swastika and the roman, you know, things like this. What’s next here? What do you think you’re looking at?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’ll just be more funding to this new task force they’ve built, the AFP, Australian Federal Police, which is basically trying to convert itself into the FBI.</p>
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<p>So the Federal Police, my understanding of the Federal Police for the last couple decades has really focused on organized crime, has focused on importing and shipping like drugs into the country or guns into the country. It’s been focused on white-collar crime as well.</p>
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<p>So really big frauders, really big scammers, kind of Wall Street crime, white-collar crime, people stealing money that work at banks. I know there was some young guys that got done with some sort of banking fraud scheme. And that’s all AFP. The state police don’t handle a lot of that. More expertise crime. That’s really what the feds have been doing for a long time. And what they’re converting the Federal Police into is. And it’s very clever the way the government do it. They basically have control of the budget. And so they’ll say:</p>
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<p>And so they shut down these departments and then like they do the budget and then the next year they go:</p>
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<p>And then it’s like:</p>
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<p>So there’s an article that came out today. So when the ASIO director general, Mike Burgess*, came into position in charge of ASIO, back in 2019, they fired 10 of the most senior, kind of staff of ASIO, And they would have done the same thing. They would have said:</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Michael Paul Burgess is an Australian intelligence official, and the current Director-General of Security in charge of the Australian Security Intelligence Organization (ASIO). Prior to his appointment to this role on 16 September 2019, Burgess was director-general of the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD). Burgess was born in England, and immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia in 1973 at the age of seven. He was the first member of his family to study in higher education, receiving a degree in electrical engineering from the South Australian Institute of Technology in 1988.]</span></p>
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<p>That’s what they’re doing. They’re trying to do that with defense at the moment. But really it’s always a coup. And it’s known in the Australian inner circle as being “<em>The Red Wedding</em>”. That’s what they called it. It’s like the Red Wedding where they basically couped and they killed off, they retired, they forced retired like 10 of the most senior counter terrorist experts at ASIO. That were probably like racist Right-wingers that were like they’re the post 9/11 intelligence people* that are like:</p>
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<p>And they got rid of those guys. And that was around the time this Bondi shooter was being investigated by ASIO, So what you have is then you had the Brennan Tarrant incident <span style="color: #008000;">[in New Zealand]</span> happen. You had the top 10 senior staff of ASIO getting fired.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Who would well know that 9/11 was a ZOG false flag engineered from Israel. See ALSO LINKS below.]</span></p>
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<p>And then you have the new funding come in after they’re getting fired. And that new funding came in, and 40% of their budget now is Right-wing extremism. And the budget for these state police forces, Federal Police forces and ASIO varies anywhere from 40 to 70% of their budget of their task force, of their manpower. Really, that’s what it means, is dedicated to anti-semitism from the Right-wing perspective, as opposed to from the Muslim perspective or just terrorism from a Right-wing perspective, as a set of terrorism from a Muslim perspective.</p>
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<p>And so what we would be looking at is more funding to these task force. So that would mean more offices, that would mean a bigger budget, that would mean more raids, that would mean more intimidation, that would mean more charges are going to get laid.</p>
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<p>And so it just means that people just got to be more, I guess, sensitive with their rhetoric. There are things that I have said in the past, back in 2018, 2019, that I, after those reforms came in, there’s no way I would say them in 2022, 2023.</p>
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<p>And likewise, there are things that I’ve said online, 2023 that I just simply would not say today. And it’s not because I’m a, it’s not because I’m fucking optics cucking and:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, I’m a moderate now. Now we’ve got mainstream coverage and we’re a household name now I’m changing my rhetoric and betraying my base!”</span></h3>
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<p>It’s like, no, it’s just that I don’t want to go to jail for two years for fucking saying the wrong thing on the Internet. I’m okay with going to jail for a couple months for punching people in the head. That’s cool. But I’m not okay with going to jail for two, &#8230; Like what’s happening to Joel <span style="color: #008000;">[Davis]</span> right now? I mean, what did he say? “<em>Rhetorical rape</em>”?</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> That’s crazy! And he’s done like two months now, so he’s done almost as much time, &#8230; He’s got a bailout coming up on the 23rd, so that’ll be what, a month in jail or more? It’d be almost six weeks in jail!</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Have you spoken to him recently?</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:08:45]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> No, I haven’t because he has to call me. So it takes a long time to get names and numbers added to the callers. So I haven’t received a phone call from him unfortunately. But I expect one soon. But I’ve spoken obviously with the lawyer and there’s obviously confidentiality so he can’t go into detail, but he can pass on regards and tell me about his general well being.</p>
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<p>So yeah, I have spoken to people that have spoken to him. But yeah, he seems to be doing okay. He’s just frustrated. And as you would be.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, he missed his birth of his son, I believe.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. His first child.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> And they’ve been going after his girlfriend as well. Some headlines out, right?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yes.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Are you in contact with anyone else around him and how they’re dealing with it, the situation?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, my missus and his missus are in contact. Obviously she needs a bit of space with everything that’s going on. But you know, she’s reached out and yeah, we’re in contact with her. She’s got a little bit of support in Sydney from some of the partners over there and also her family are quite supportive.</p>
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<p>So yeah, it’s disgusting that that journalist that went and harassed her. I think it was like two or three days after she gave birth where she’s putting nappies in the bin and they’ve got a private investigator out the front taking photos of her. That same journalist came to my family, my in law’s house and twisted words that my family said through a fly screen door.</p>
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<p>And they also went to Matthew Gruter’s house as well and Matthew Gruter’s wife had just given birth as well. I think they had a two week old baby. And yeah, when they went to my family, my in-laws house, we’ve got a brand new baby as well. Like we’re not brand new but like a six month old baby and a toddler. And they’re attacking, they’re coming after the women, they’re coming after our wives and you know, it’s obviously abhorrent. But and it’s radicalizing, it’s really radicalizing. You know the expression:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“You don’t hate journalists enough!”</span></h3>
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<p>And this is a classic example of it. Like imagine the mentality that a journalist would have to go:</p>
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<p>Because they know, they know the details because it was mentioned in court that she was due within a week. And so imagine going:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, she’s due within a week. Let’s cause as much stress and harm and cortisol to her as possible!”</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And put her in the news and put her in the media either while she’s just about to have birth or give birth or she’s just had the process.</p>
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<p>And anyone that knows anything about childbirth, labor, postpartum, they know that that’s the most absolutely critical time for a woman to balance her hormones and to not have any unnecessary stress. It’s when they need the most amount of sort of oxytocin. They just need love, they need cuddles. Like usual, but on another level, women need just cuddles in general.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But they really just need cuddles and support before, during and after that whole process. And these journalists would know that they would know that. She’s a woman, she would know that. But these people are evil and they’re possessed by demons and the demons attack the vulnerable. They attack the weak and the vulnerable and they attack women. They attack women when they’re at their most vulnerable. I mean my missus didn’t get attacked like any day of the week while I wasn’t in jail. But she’s getting harassed and attacked by journalists when I’m in jail. So when she’s alone. So they come after you when you’re alone. They come after you when you’re vulnerable. They come after you when you’ve just given birth, you can barely walk because, you’re still recovering.</p>
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<p>I mean, yeah. What we’re going to do to these journalists when we take power in a legal and lawful manner is going to be like, I’ve got experience with how the system has treated me over the years for being a political dissident. And yeah, these people are really silly! Like the way they’re behaving, they don’t know who they’re messing with. They just don’t know who they’re messing with! They don’t realize that we have really long memories and we are never going to forgive them! Ever! So keep going, see what happens! I mean they may as well keep doubling down because they’re already going to get the worst! <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> Like the worst thing I can think of is what’s going to happen to these journalists, to do this to Joel’s missus and by default to Joel. But Joel’s fine, he’ll be right. But to do this to his partner is just disgusting!</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, media has always been a fifth column, right? Always an operative for the state, an additional element or something that you can use in your war, in your effort to target someone who is an undesirable to the system, essentially. Right.</p>
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<p>So yeah, it’s absolutely disgusting!</p>
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<p>Okay, so yes, tell us and then we’ll get to some questions here too, guys. We appreciate you get a bunch of questions to get to, and comments.</p>
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<p>But yeah, the party then. So tell us about how these ideas formulated and the fact that you were at a point here, like the legal process in Australia makes it fairly easy as far as I understand it. And I’m sure there’s hoops you have to jump through as always. But in terms of actually registering it and even the possibility of getting a seat in a county, I’m not sure if you call a county down there, but explain this to us a little bit.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Okay. Well, from the start, Australia has two houses. It has what’s called an Upper House and a Lower House. Our Upper House is a Senate and you get elected based off the, a larger, &#8230; How to explain it?</p>
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<p>So you can get Senators in quite easily if you broadly get a vote across the state. So even though it’s a federal election, you might only need somewhere between 1 and 10% of the state to vote for you. And again, it’s not a straightforward, it’s not an exact percentage that you need. Some people get 7% of the vote and they don’t get a Senator. Some people get 2% of the vote and they get a Senator. It’s all about preferencing schemes and deals and there’s a lot of dodgy stuff that goes on in the Australian system, which should all be eradicated, but we just have to work with what we’ve got.</p>
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<p>But if you get say 10% of the vote, you’re almost guaranteed to get a Senate seat, and that’s 10% of the vote, regardless of where they are living in that state. And then each state, I think has, I don’t know, I think there’s like 49. No, there’d be more than 49. I think it’s 75 Senators in total, something like that. And they’re spread out across the state at a federal level.</p>
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<p>But then you have the Lower House, which are called MPs or it’s the House of Representatives and you have to actually win the majority of the vote within what you would call a county. We call it an electorate.</p>
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<p>And so the state is broken down into say, I think 49 electorates and or it actually depends. I think it’s 120,000 people per electorate, roughly. Some are 100,000, some 140,000, but roughly it’s 120,000 people or 120,000 voters, one or the other. And you have to win 51% or 50.1% of the vote to get that seat. Now you don’t have to win 50% of the primary vote, you have to do these preferencing schemes with all these other parties, because we’re not a two party system like in America where it’s Republican or Democrat. The Labor Party might get 34% of the vote, then the Green Party might get 8% of the vote, that makes 42. And then as long as their coalition is bigger than the coalition of the Liberals, then they get the seat.</p>
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<p>So there’s like, I don’t know, 200 MPs across the country and 75 Senators, something like that, or those aren’t exact numbers. Just go on Wikipedia and you can find out exactly! But what’s important to know is that we have these two different houses. Kind of like how you’ve got Congressmen and Senators and kind of like how in the UK they’ve got the House of Lords and then they’ve got the ministers, or, sorry, not the ministers, the MPs.</p>
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<p>So we have MPs and we have Senators and they’re different, they’re elected on different bases. Now we’re not really going to contest the Lower House. Even though there’s more seats available, those seats are much harder to get because you need to actually be the dominant political force in that area, which if you’re not in the major parties, is almost impossible.</p>
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<p>For example, the Green Party in Australia is the third biggest party in Australia and they have 11 Senators or 10 Senators. And I think they only have one MP. And that could have been from a defection. I don’t know if actually. No, it might have been an actual victory in the Lower House.</p>
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<p>So that’s basically all the MP seats are controlled by the Liberal Party and Labor Party, the two big parties. They’ve got like a monopoly on the Lower House, duopoly, or jewopoly.</p>
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<p>And then the Senate is actually more diverse. It’s got all the micro parties in it. It’s got One Nation’s got four or five seats. The Greens have got 10 seats. There’s all these niche parties with one or two seats. So they have a lot more power in the Senate. And how that works is the Lower House passes bills. So they’ll say we want to introduce new legislation or we want to introduce new laws. And they’ll draft it up, they’ll write it up. They have to make their deals in the Lower House to get the Bill to pass through the Lower House, which is where the Prime Minister is. We don’t have a president. So the Prime Minister doesn’t have any executive power at passing bills. His executive powers come from his cabinet.</p>
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<p>So it’s more about the management of the country. That’s where his power comes from. He can’t manage the Lower House. He’s just the Prime Minister. He’s the prime speaker in the Lower House. He doesn’t have like, I don’t believe he has any veto ability. If he does, someone in the chat correct me, but I don’t believe the Prime Minister has any vetoing ability. There’s all sorts of niche crazy laws. Because we’ve got like the British Parliament system, we’re basically operating a British Parliament that’s slightly modified. So there’s a Speaker of the House and there’s a Leader of the House, all sorts of stuff going on.</p>
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<p>But the general rule is that once the Bill passes through the Lower House, it then has to go to the Upper House, which is the Senators, and then has to be passed through the Upper House as well.</p>
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<p>So if we can get guys in the Senate, we can block bills that are bad for White Australians and we can agree to bills that are good for White Australians. And we can quite easily in the next one or three between one and three election cycles. So between three to nine years from now, we can quite easily, quite easily, hold the balance in the Senate!</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Interesting!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So what that, what that would mean is we might only need five seats in the Senate and we could quite easily swing, &#8230; A lot of these bills. They can be swung by one or two votes in the Senate. So it might pass easily through the Lower House, but then it gets the Senate, it won’t get through the Senate. So we can block some bad stuff coming through. And obviously that can then tie in with our general political strategy.</p>
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<p>Obviously, we don’t believe that there’s a pure Parliamentary solution. Obviously, we’re working in so many different ways to build parallel society and parallel function in this country.</p>
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<p>And obviously the meta-political shift and the cultural shift that we’re trying to make, which is our primary concern is getting Australians to identify as White people. The problem is that they don’t identify as White people. Well, they’re starting to. And that’s where we’re seeing our success, is they’re starting to identify as White people again, which is how it was. And we need to get back.</p>
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<p>And what we’re seeing with this Bondi thing, for example, is for the first time ever, in the “<em>most successful multicultural</em>” country in the world, we’re seeing actually a lot of mainstream criticizm of multiculturalism. So multiculturalism is like the golden calf in Australia. They worship it. They absolutely worship it! Multiculturalism is the replacement to the White Australia Policy.</p>
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<p>So for the first, no one’s allowed to criticize multiculturalism. If you criticize it, you have to criticize it in a way that:</p>
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<p>You know, I mean that’s the only way that people really criticize multiculturalism in Parliament, within the political realm. But what we’re finally seeing now is genuine criticizm and a grassroots dislike of multiculturalism in Australia. But there’s not one political party that’s against multiculturalism. We’re the only one.</p>
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<p>So can we get 5% of the vote? Can we get 10? Can we get 20? Can we get 30? I don’t know. I don’t have the answer to that at this stage. Time will tell, and we’ll see how bad the country gets and how radical and how racialized politics becomes. But we are succeeding in what we’re doing. We have about double the amount of people that are signed up to support us. However, only half of those people are signed up to actually go on the registrar, which is a private form with the AEC. It’s not the government. The AEC is a third party that is obviously a government institution, but it’s a unique third party that has never leaked data of membership lists.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So this would be the first! No, I’m just joking! Because it would, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It would be the first time. Well, how they doxed the One Nation list back in 1998 or 1999, but they didn’t dox it from the AEC. The AEC didn’t have a breach of privacy. They’re a professional institution. They’re civn ats mostly, but they’re professional institution, and they’re a patriotic institution in that sense. But the way that the list of One Nation members got leaked was by jews in the party. Jews in the party leaked it!</p>
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<p>So they had, there were jews in the party that had access to the list and they leaked it to their friends that didn’t like the party. Whereas we don’t have any jews in our party.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> First time in history!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> There’s only about four people in the organization. Maybe a fifth. Yeah, there’s four or five people that have access to the list. I am one of them, obviously.</p>
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<p>But yeah, it’s held in the absolute tightest of circles. There’s some state leaders that don’t even have access to the list. If they asked for it, we would give it to them. I would let any state leader see the list.</p>
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<p>But yeah, it’s a very, it’s a secret document. I mean, ASIO would probably be able to see the list because they could probably hack into our computers. But look, what are they going to do with it? What are ASIO going to do with it?</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> No, sure. No, I get the point. I’m just saying, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The fact is there’s 3400 people on the list, so I wouldn’t be concerned. So there’s some Australians:</p>
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<p>It’s like, look, you’re probably already on a list from being racist on Facebook and liking The Noticer. You know <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> what I mean?</p>
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<p>Like if you follow particular pages on Facebook, you’re probably already on their list. I guess you would just be on a maybe a different list.</p>
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<p>But again, I’ve said this for years. It’s strength in numbers. It’s strength in numbers. And we share the risk. We share the risk. When there’s 10,000 names on the list, which maybe in a year or two there will be, what matters? Why does it matter if you’re one of ten thousand? I mean, if you’re one of ten thousand, what’s going to happen to you? The police, I mean, how much resources they’re going to have to harass? The way the police harass us is they prioritize who’s most important to harass. So they harass the leadership. 90% of our membership have never been harassed by the police. They’ve had no issues with the police.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And I mean, that’s membership of our activist core. I’m not talking about membership of the party. I’m saying 90% of our activists because we’re so big now, the vast majority have never even been tested. So only the kind of guys that have been around four or five years have really any experience with repeated harassment from the police.</p>
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<p>So, yeah, I would say that’s the party website. Well, that’s the org website. Obviously, the party is a part of the org. We’re looking at putting forward our four big policies in January next year.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:24:54]</span></p>
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<p>So we just had a series of seminars where we covered our four policies. They’re not on the website yet. I’ve copped a little bit of criticizm for that, but it will be up on the website soon. We’re just polishing them. We had a seminar last weekend across all the States except New South Wales because they’re preparing for nationals. Where we covered, we had one speaker per policy. And the four policies are simple.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We want the White Australia Policy to be reinstated, meaning we don’t want Australia to be a multicultural country anymore, we don’t want it to be a multiracial country anymore. And we want to start reversing the demographic avalanche of White people and start going back the other way and making Australia more White. And with the ultimate goal of making it entirely White.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And obviously that is going to involve a combination of mass deportations and also re-migration strategies. So we’d be looking at changing a whole number of laws. Is that going to happen anytime soon? No, but what we can do is start moving things in the right direction by taking a little bit of state control. So our biggest priority is protecting our demographics.</p>
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<p>And so if we can protect the demographics of this country then all the other sort of Weimar conditions are fixable. You know, demographics are well not permanent. But demographics are destiny obviously. And that’s really our priority as a party. That’s why it’s policy number one is just protecting White Australia, protecting our demographics. And not just protecting it, but advancing our demographics. So we’ve gone from 99% White to about 66% White or 67% White in a period of around 50 years. So what we want to look at doing over the next 50 years or less, ideally a lot less, ideally over the next 10 years. But I’m realistic, it might take a bit more than 10 years. We want to look at going back up towards 99% and beyond.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Policy number two is called “<em>End Debt Slavery</em>”. So we’re going to ban obviously in the same principle as the White Australia Policy, the first principle of End Debt Slavery is we’re going to ban interest on family home loans.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So we’re going to guarantee every single Australian family an interest free home loan. They’ll get money lent to them by the State bank. So we’re going to take back the state bank.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So we had a state bank in Australia called the Commonwealth Bank. It’s since been privatized in 1996 and it’s worth, I don’t know, something like $1.3 trillion. And we’re going to take back ownership of the state bank and we’re going to use the state bank, the Commonwealth bank, to lend money to young families that are married, that are White Australians and they’re going to get interest free loans to buy houses.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And that’s how we’re going to fix the housing crisis is we’re going to deport millions of non-Whites which is going to massively free up the market. And then White Australians that want to buy a home or White Australians that currently have a home, all the interest is going to be wiped off the principal. So any new loan will be no interest. And any current loan, not only will you not pay interest going forward, but also any interest you have paid is going to be refunded to you off your principal.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So a lot of people are going to have their homes basically instantly paid off because most people have already paid more than their homes worth in interest. If they’re like Gen-X’s for example, if they’re more in the older sort of family bracket, they’ve got teenage kids and stuff, a lot of these people have already paid off their homes in interest alone. So that’s policy number two.</p>
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<p>Policy number three is we’re going to do something called a “<em>New Magna Carta</em>”, or a Bill of Rights. We’re going to create an Australian Bill of Rights. Australia doesn’t have a Bill of Rights. So policy three is we’re going to introduce a series of rights and duties, a series of freedoms that we think are fundamental to being Australian and members of Western civilization, members of the White race. And we’re going to introduce these things in order to curtail the ever increasing Police State we live in and the powers of the tyranny of the government. So we want to reduce government power and increase citizen power.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So that’s things like a First Amendment. So like free speech, we don’t have that in our constitution. We have an implied right and that’s not good enough, because it’s being twisted and turned. We need to have a really explicit principle so that we get rid of all this hate speech legislation and all this religious vilification legislation. We want to get rid of all of that and give Australians the right to freedom of speech. And the right to criticize the government, even criticize us as much as we’re, you know, authoritarians, we’ll cop fair criticizm, obviously.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Other principles include, we want to do like a maximum 10% income tax. We want to include gun rights, but we’re going to be very tactful for how we include gun rights. So I want to do the Swiss model personally. I’m flexible and I’m open minded to how we could implement a Second Amendment in Australia.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:29:48]</span></p>
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<p>Bu I want to do it in the Swiss model. Meaning you would do a national service at a high school. You would get issued a firearm during your national service and then you would retain that military style semi-automatic rifle or fully automatic rifle, but you would maintain that rifle as you would never be a civilian again. You would do your national service and that would make you a citizen. Kind of Starship Troopers kind of Fascism 101.</p>
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<p>But it’s also just Athenian. It’s an Athenian model. It’s actually the foundation of democracy in some ways, the citizen soldier.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So that’s how we would look at implementing it. It wouldn’t be a strict Second Amendment the way you guys have it in Australia <span style="color: #008000;">[America]</span>, because we need a lot of cultural change. We need, I think a few generations or at least one generation to breathe. To fix a lot of these issues. We don’t want to just have like guns galore just overnight without those kind of cultural changes.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then policy four is re-industrialization. So that’s pretty simple. It’s really about taking back our infrastructure. Australia being an economic powerhouse again. Not just getting stripped of all its natural resources and being sent off to the developing world. We want to build all of our stuff here again. We want to build cars here again. We want to build ships here again. We’re an island. We should have a massive shipping capacity. We’re so reliant on trade. We should be a naval superpower. We should be we’re already a resource superpower. We have all the raw materials to do it. We need to re-industrialize.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We need to invest, take control of the RBA, the Reserve Bank of Australia, take control of the Commonwealth bank and do some serious, serious economy building in a completely different direction using high tech manufacturing and reclaim our economic autarky, or at least a large percentage of it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So those are the four policies that’s what we’re putting forward.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Obviously there’s a lot of things mixed in amongst that you know, people talk about education Reform and you know, getting rid of multiculturalism will do a lot of what we want for education reform.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> There’s a lot to take in. No, obviously everyone needs to visualize that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So the website, we’re going to have nice little graphics made up and there’ll be a little write up of each policy. And when you check the website out at some point, either late, probably not late January, probably February, but the policies will be announced soon. And I assume the website will be very neat and tidy by February with the policies.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Very good. Nice. Holden, was that the car the Australia used to produce?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> right. Yeah, we made Fords as well. Fords and Holden, Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Like a version of Ford Australia, right?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Kind of yeah. And Holden’s just General Motors.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh, okay, I see. Did you have any like native cars that you actually like?</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Holden is the native brand that was eventually owned by General Motors.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> We’re gonna have an Aryan future Tom. They’re gonna be flying cars. Okay!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Oh, there’s gonna be all. Look, I’m not gonna go too much into policy four because it’s a bottomless pit of what we can do.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Powered by vril!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We’re gonna do the craziest shit! We’re gonna do stuff no one’s ever seen before. We’re gonna terraform Australia. We’re gonna actually terraform it.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> There you go.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We’re gonna do crazy shit! We’re gonna do inland lake, high speed rail, flying cars, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That’s the spirit! That’s the spirit right there!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’s gonna be vriltastic!</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Vriltastic. I just want to play this.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We’re gonna give Australia a sense of purpose again. It’s not just about race and it’s not removing the slavery.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> White Australians without debt or without interest still have a demoralized attitude. What we’re trying to do is raise that spirit. It’s about a spiritual revival.</p>
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<p>And I think part of that, because I’m not too big at talking about economics, although I’ve studied it a fair bit in my own time, but where economics is important is that most people, 99% of men need to go to work Monday to Friday. They need to. It’s a big part of their identity. It’s a big part of their purpose. And where most White men are lacking in purpose is not just from a racial perspective and not just from a demoralization in terms of the culture and the media and the movies they’re watching and the music they’re listening to. And the way that they’re being completely subverted at an economic level. It’s also when they go to work, what are they doing? Like, I worked in the construction industry for about five years, almost six years. And you go to work and you’re building what we call Jeet boxes. A Jeet box is these fucking shitty little townhouses with like all these different multi-roofs on them. They’re just the dumb. This is the dumbest fucking architecture style you ever see in your life! It’s the most ineffective, inefficient way to build a house you could possibly imagine. And it’s a dog box with no room on it, no backyard. The roofs are all touching each other, so they’re a separate dwelling, but not really. And it’s just so demoralizing just putting a roof on something like that. It just feels disgusting!</p>
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<p>And then one day a month, you get a contract, or a cashy or something, and it’s some guy on a farm and he’s got 200 acres and he needs a new roof on his shed. And you go out, you drive an extra hour and a half to go to this guy’s farm. And you put the roof on the shed and you have a beer with the boys afterwards. And you just look at each other and you just say:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“What if every day was like this? What if every day was like this? Like, how good did today feel?”</span></h3>
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<p>Like the weather could have been awful! It doesn’t matter. And it just feels so good to just be on some land and just to build something and then and you can have a relationship with the guy you’re building it for. Like the farmer comes out of his house, he’s like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“How you going boys? You know, you wanna iced coffee or something? I’ll get the Mrs to make you one.”</span></h3>
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<p>And like you, after work you can sit back and you can chat a bit and then you get in the car and you drive home.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:36:24]</span></p>
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<p>But when you’re in these jeet boxes, like the dust and the muck and Indians are coming out of their house next to you and oh, it’s just so demoralizing. It’s just, why am I doing this? Why am I building this disgusting, ugly, grotty filth for these people to just replace me? So we want to bring back the Australian dream. Not just in the:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, I’ve got a nice house and I’ve got a nice backyard and I’ve got a golden retriever and a white picket fence.”</span></h3>
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<p>It’s not just about getting it back in that sense. It’s, well, what are you doing to get it? So we want to completely revolutionize the economy in a way that people actually feel a sense of pride, going to work again. Which I think Australians and Americans and Europeans, they probably had that 50 years ago.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, I think you’re right. Absolutely! Yeah. I wanted to play this clip here and I’m going to take some of the comments and questions from the audience watching here. But Robert Menzies, he was the 12th Prime Minister of Australia. He served from 1939-41 and then his second term from 46. Was that all the way to his retirement in 1966? Did he serve that long? Do you remember? Was that long? Or it must have been interrupted.</p>
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<p>Anyway, it doesn’t matter. I want to play a clip with him. That’s the point on the White Australia Policy. Right. So listen to this here. I’m sure you’ve seen the clip, but let’s play it for the audience here.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Stewart Lamb:</strong> Do you believe that the White, the so-called “<em>White Australia</em>” policy will always be a stumbling block?</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Sir Robert Menzies:</strong> I don’t think it’s such a stumbling block as people pretend, but that it’s important for us, I haven’t the slightest doubt!</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Stewart Lamb:</strong> That we should maintain it the way it is?</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Sir Robert Menzies:</strong> As long as we possibly can we ought to aim at having a homogeneous population!</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;">I don’t want to see reproduced in Australia the kind of problem they have in South Africa, or in America, or increasingly in Great Britain. I think it’s been a very good policy and it’s been of great value to us.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;">And most of the criticizm of it that I’ve ever heard doesn’t come from these oriental countries. It comes from (((wandering Australians))).</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Stewart Lamb:</strong> For these views of course, in the past, Sir Robert, you have been described as a racist.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Sir Robert Menzies:</strong> Have I?</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Stewart Lamb:</strong> I have read this, yes.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Sir Robert Menzies:</strong> Well, if I were not described as a racist, I’d be the only public man who hasn’t been! That’s one of these jargons, isn’t it? One of these modern words, you call a man a “<em>racist</em>”.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[END]</span></p>
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<p>All right, what do you make of that? That’s how it used to be. Right? So this was like an idea. This is what I’m saying. What you’re proposing here is not some new radical thing. This is just basically going back to what the intention of the country was to begin with and the people running it.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yes. I really. A little bit of a red herring, but I really like the way he describes jews as “<em>wandering Australians</em>”.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I figured that’s what it was! <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. That was a dog whistle back in the day. Yeah. You know:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“We don’t get this kind of criticizm from the Orientals. We get this kind of criticizm from the wandering Australians.”</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Exactly!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Same thing as Nixon, because this is around the same time as Nixon. This is where you’ve got the conservative Right in power and back in the 60s, and they’re starting to realize that the jewish problem is what’s trying to destroy the nation. And it’s very clear from day dot that the jewish community here in Australia and obviously in America and Britain have been working fervently hard to dismantle the homogeneous White population and turn it into Babylon, so that they can hide in the mess that they make and they can hide their crimes. And yeah, as you said, that is how Australia was.</p>
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<p>Another thing that’s interesting is how much the accent has changed. I obviously don’t have a pure Australian accent. I’m referred to a lot as a South African, but I’m actually not a South African. I have extended family in South Africa, but my accent is because my parents are both English.</p>
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<p>So you can actually tell from these old politicians. Australians actually spoke with more of an English accent. They were more connected to the mother country in that sense. And the accent has definitely degraded, I think. And it’s more, it’s too ocka now. It’s become more and more uncouth. I know that I can’t really talk much. Also there was an increase of, there was just so much English immigration into Australia. So that would have maintained the properness of the English accent.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:40:08]</span></p>
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<p>But yeah, what can you say about that? What I see as a statesman, we used to have statesmen in charge of the country. If I was living in 1966, would I have agreed with Menzies? Probably not. There probably would have been someone more racist than Menzies. I probably would have been like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Menzies a cuck!”</span></h3>
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<p>Or whatever <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> the 1966 version of that was. Like:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Menzies is too soft on the (((wandering Australian))). We need a, we need a more strict approach to the wandering Australian question!”</span></h3>
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<p>But yeah, it’s definitely obvious that Canada, Australia, even America to a large degree. There’s a lot of infrastructure, sort of rhetorical infrastructure in the founding of our nations. And you can find it.</p>
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<p>I mean, I did a speech, a 45 minute speech on the weekend and I mentioned in the speech I had a legal friend who’s looked through the Constitution very thoroughly. The founding father of Australia or the first prime minister of Australia, Edmund Barton. Someone was arguing with him while they were drafting the Constitution in 1898. So it came out in 1901, but they spent about three years drafting it. And in 1898 he had an argument with another politician and they were asking about:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Why have you put this race, this specific race power law in?”</span></h3>
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<p>And the first Prime Minister of Australia said:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Basically we need a race power law because we need to be able to mass deport non-Whites when we don’t want them.”</span></h3>
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<p>And he didn’t even use the term “<em>non-Whites</em>”. He basically said:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Inferior people and races, inferior and colored races. We should be able to deport them as a whole, when we don’t need them.”</span></h3>
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<p>So like if we need them to pick sugarcane, for example, like the way that you had blacks picking cotton, we had Pacific Islanders picking sugarcane in Queensland. The idea was before Federation we had, I can’t remember what they call them. “<em>Coolies</em>” <span style="color: #008000;">[refers to Chinese workers]</span>, I think, or Kanakas*, I think they had a slur for them.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Plantation owners in Queensland had experienced difficulty in hiring laborers for their plantations, especially for the pay rates that were being offered. It was said that this situation was hindering the economic viability of those rural businesses. Many pastoralists had used convicts as laborers, but when the transportation of convicts to New South Wales ended in 1840, this meant that the plantation owners lost a major source of cheap labor. The lack of cheap labor for cotton and sugar plantations in Queensland led to the advent of Kanaka immigration. Kanakas (as laborers from the Pacific Islands were called) were imported in large numbers to work in Australia (especially in Queensland, but also in northern New South Wales). The term “<em>Kanaka</em>” means “<em>man</em>” or “<em>person</em>” in the Hawaiian language. Souce: Https:// www. Australianculture.org/the-white-Australia-policy-kanakas /]</span></p>
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<p>But they had these Pacific islanders come in and pick sugarcane and they wanted to make sure there was legislation that if they brought in a thousand of them, they picked the sugar cane and then they could force them on a boat to go home when it was done, so that they could keep Australia White. And he won the argument and they put it in the Constitution. So in the Australian constitution, there’s a race power law where we can just mass deport people on the basis of their race.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> All right!</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> That’s the kind of country. Yeah. So we’re doing well here. We’re doing well here.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Nice.</p>
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<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So I’m very excited. I’m very excited. We’re breath of fresh air for the political system. The Australian people are begging! They’re begging for a real Right-wing party. And we’re getting a lot of support. And we have a lot of people come down to our seminars, our political meetings, and say:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, look, I’ve been a Liberal Party member my whole life. I’ve gone to Liberal Party meetings my whole life and I’ve never seen anything like this. I’m so glad to see proud, patriotic Australians!”</span></h3>
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<p>And the feedback has just been amazing! The feedback, especially the older generation, like all the Boomers coming down, just saying thank, like basically just:</p>
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<h3><span style="color: black;">“Thank you, finally we’re seeing men that are just red blooded!”</span></h3>
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<p>And I’ve haven’t been to a Liberal Party meeting in a really long time. But I’ve had friends go and some of our members get paid to go to Liberal Party meetings <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> because they got to fill seats. And the young guys that don’t have jobs, they’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“All right, I’ll take the 100 bucks.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s that embarrassing, the Liberal Party at the moment. But they just report back and they just say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“It’s just old people that are dying, that are just like falling asleep. And the people speaking are just homosexuals!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s just homosexuals and girl bosses and that’s it. And they just useless rhetoric. And it’s just uninspiring. It’s just boring. And it’s just a freight train just running out of steam basically.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And that’s the system. It’s just a freight train running out of steam. They’ve got the momentum of decades and decades of organizing behind them.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And I mean, the parties are shrinking. The political parties here in Australia have never been so small. I think the Liberal Party has gone from like 60,000 members a decade ago to like, I think they’re barely getting 20,000 now. And I mean, just in the last election cycle, I think they’ve gone from 30,000 to 20,000 just in one election cycle.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> It’s fascinating! So, like, everyone’s checking out, but like the bureaucracy, the paperwork, the same. The scum that have the motivation, I guess, just to kind of get into that dirty world and keep it going. That’s what just is causing it to move on for now.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We haven’t even put policies on our website yet and we’re already tracking to be the sixth biggest party in Australia out of the like 100 parties that are in Australia.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That’d be hilarious!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:45:04]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So the hype is real. The hype is real! Like a lot of people are hyping it online. And I don’t want people thinking like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, we’re gonna have Prime Minister Thomas Sewell!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That’s not likely. I want to make it clear that’s not likely at all! The chance of that is probably 1%. It’d have to be really happening for something like that to happen. It’d be like Ron Paul would have a meltdown. It’d be that kind of happening.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> And as we know, nothing ever happens.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Until it happens. Nothing ever happens until it happens. And then one day it happens!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Let me ask you this, Tom, though, because obviously you will be, as you know, and I’m sure you’ve thought about this too, you will be dealt with or treated on a totally different level. I mean, you would potentially see for the democratic system to defend itself, it would basically unravel the very definitions and guardrails that makes it being able to term itself as a democracy. I would reckon. What do you expect the pushback will be? And the way they will just say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“No, you can’t do that!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Just empty words. Just empty words. I think there’s probably less than a 10% chance they’ll be able to block us. I’m very confident it’s all going to go ahead. The black pillers need to be gassed! All the black pillers, just gas them!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh, no! And I’m not. When I bring, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I’m not saying you’re black pilling.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Sure. Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> What I’m saying is there’s people online, I see comments every now and then where it’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“They’re just gonna shut them down and make it illegal! And they’re all gonna go to jail!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like, shut up! You’re either a jew or you’ve got your dick taped between your legs. Like, it’s just the most disgusting, demoralized, weak kind of energy. It’s so anti-Australian. Australians, we’re on a frontier we’re the frontier of the world and we’re surrounded on all sides by non-Whites. We’ve got a very harsh landscape, you know, we’ve allegedly got all these animals that try to kill us and to be like. And to be like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, the government’s gonna shut us down, we can’t do anything!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Is just the most weak cunt energy, like just fuck off! Go live somewhere else. This land is not built for weak cunts! This is hard cunt territory here and we don’t tolerate that shit! And those people, a lot of the time I think that they’re just jews. I think a lot of the time it’s just jews trying to sow fear in people that support us. The chances of the government blocking us is very low because they don’t have the framework to do it. They would have to nuke the whole system to do it. And are they prepared to do that? I don’t think they got the balls. I mean, you’ve got some rogue, really rogue politicians like Christopher Minns, who’s the New South Wales premier, saying that:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“He’s going to block the party and we’re not going to let this party come to power. And we’re going to dox all the members!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And the AEC came out and made a statement saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“You can’t do that.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And you’ve got like all these other Senators and all these other political leaders coming out and saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Well, actually, we can’t do that. We have to let them. If they follow the rules, we have to let them.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So it’s just basically kevtching like a bunch of losers. And it’s good. The more they kevtch, the better because it shows that they’re afraid and it doesn’t pass the pub test. And the average Aussie sees that on the news and goes:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“What? You want to ban this party? Why?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then they go on the website and they’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, cool, I get all the interest paid off my mortgage and there’s less Indians. Fuck, that actually sounds all right!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>What we’re doing is really controversial from the concept that the country’s being destroyed by people that hate it! But it’s not controversial to the average Aussie, it really passes the pub test. And the idea that they want to ban it. The way the Australian psyche works is very clear. If the government wants to ban something, the average Aussie has this rebellious nature where they go:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Why? Why does the government want to ban that?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And they’ll look into it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, and that was my point, right? Bring it up. It’s a win-win regardless, right? It will expose the system or you actually have a foot in through the door. And either way it’s a plus.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We’re inevitable no matter what our strategy is. And we’ve got insurance policies, we’re not putting all our eggs in this one basket. But we see it as part of a matrix of power. And you can’t just build a political party. You have to build everything. It’s all about the back end. A political party is just, it’s not a front, but a political party it’s just the presence of power.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:49:50]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The real power of the Labor Party, for example, is not the Labor Party. It’s all the trade unions they control and all the non-White community groups that have all as a bloc joined the Labor Party, as a mosque, as a church, as a Chinese community center, as a, whatever it is.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Again, going back to the Liberal Party, whenever there is an influx of members in the Liberal Party because they just, every year they’re getting less and less and less members. But one branch might have an extra 200 members this year compared to last year. And how did that happen? How did that happen? How have they got 200 extra members? Well, we might have a friend, or a colleague or an associate that is, on paper, a member of that branch so that they can keep an eye on it. And they’ll tell us, they’ll report back to me and they’ll say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, yep, some rich Chinese businessman just joined the party. He made a deal with the people that run that branch and he just got 200 of his laborers to sign up at the party.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So he just signs up all the people that work for him and says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“You have to do this. You work for me. You have to do this.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Because they’re Chinese, they’ll just be like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yes, sir.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And they do it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah. Yep, Correct.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And that’s the only way the Liberal Party or the Labor Party are getting these massive influxes. It’s just like rich Chinese or rich Indian businessmen or community leaders. The Chinese operate primarily through business, so they don’t have community leaders the way the Indians and the Muslims do, or the jews do. Well, the jews have both, obviously. They have business leaders and they have community leaders. But the Chinese, because they don’t have a religion and because they can’t organize as the, CCP, they organize as a front for the CCP, which is through CCP business here in Australia.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep. Correct.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And they bring in all their workers, they get their workers PR <span style="color: #008000;">[Permanent Residency]</span>, then they get their workers citizenship, and then they start becoming a voting bloc.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> All right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The hype is real! The Whites are leaving the major parties in droves, and the major parties are only retaining their numbers through the influx of browns.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And that’s why multiculturalism is their death rattle. That’s why they won’t ever give it up, because it’s the only way they can maintain their party.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So we’re forcing the dialectic. We’re heightening the contradictions. Everything that we’re doing is tactical. Everything we’re doing is strategic. And people for years have been saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, they’re wignats, they’re dumb, they don’t know what they’re doing. You got to join the Republican Party and you’ve got to subvert it from the inside.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s like, these people are not creative thinkers and they’re not high IQ and they’re not morally courageous. The way you change the demographic destiny of the country is you have to schism the forces. And you have to put your flag up high. You have to raise the banner high! That’s the song. That’s the song! We’ve got the song, the Banner High!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You know, you got to raise the flag high and you got to say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hello! Hello! We’re the Whites! We’re doing the White people thing!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> It’s time.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. In America, that’s really hard! But it’s hard becauseyou guys haven’t laid the framework over the last 50 years, and we haven’t either. In Australia, we’re only picking this up. Well, there has been some that have tried, and obviously in America, people have tried, but we have built the meta-political energy that can be converted, or a portion of it can be converted into contesting a system that’s not a duopoly. You know, we’ve got that European style politics, but it wasn’t always like that. 20, 30 years ago we had the American style politics. The Greens were like 1% of the vote and that was like the third biggest party. Like you had the Australian Christians and you had like the Nationals, but the Nationals formed a coalition with the Liberals and then they became known as the Coalition.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so you had like 95 plus percent of the vote in two parties. Now it’s like 70 or less. So it’s moving more and more into that European style and you have to just do the framework. So you just have to do the groundwork, you have to do the legwork.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> What I like about it is that it’s a different approach to it. Right. And you’re seeing that elsewhere too, that with numbers comes power and you build something else first as opposed to doing like, here’s a new political, well, who’s going to join a new political party, kind of thing. Right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, what caliber of people as well.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> How do you put a hierarchy?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Exactly!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Because there’s so much to do. I mean, yeah, we have a lot of people joining the party now that want to tell us what to do and they don’t want to be part of the organization.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So now we’re in a situation where we’re dealing with, well, how are we going to constitutionally frame the party and the organization together? Because there are a lot of people that are looking at the party and going:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Holy shit! This could work!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>This not necessarily work in terms of take over the country, but this could become the third biggest party in the country quite quickly, or at least the fourth biggest party in the country quite quickly. This could be the Right-wing’s alternative to the Greens. And we could see One Nation form a coalition with the Liberal Party. But what we’re seeing is so much fracturing on the Right. We’re seeing a real contender on the Right coming out from the hardest possible position and they’re going:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“I’m going to get in this early.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But they don’t want to be involved with the community. They don’t want to do the activism, they don’t want to do the push ups in the park, but they might have a good understanding of policy.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[1:55:14]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so what we’re dealing with at the moment is having that conversation with these people and say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, look, we’ll take your feedback. You can help advise us.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, depending on their skills, depending on what they are. But if you want to be a decision maker in the party, you have to join the order. And that’s rattling their minds a little bit because they’re used to:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, I joined the Liberal Party and I became the branch leader of the Liberal Party because I won a popularity contest.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Or they join One Nation and same thing:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, I’ve joined this political party and I did this and I joined that political party. I did this.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then they’re joining our political party and then it doesn’t work like that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so that’s where we’re trying to balance democracy, which is an innate instinct of the public. They want to have a voice. They want to be involved and engaged in the process. But yeah, but at the same time, we’re a hierarchy. We’re building an order of men that are committed to fixing the country. And you have to be part of that order of men if you want to be within the leadership of the political party, or if you want to run as a candidate, for example.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Very good.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>All right, let me take some of these questions and comments here. Albert, first out the gates. Thank you so much, Albert. Huge dono. He says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hi, Henrik. Looking forward to tonight show. Thomas Sewell is always one of my favorite guests. Especially looking forward to hearing his take on the Bondi beach shooting. Great show yesterday too. Take care.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Thank you so much, Albert. We appreciate you so much. Thank you for your incredible support. Derek Rance, good to see you as well. Derek says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Thanks in advance for the show. It sounds like they are preparing Canada for the next extreme event to tighten the laws here.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I’m sure they are. Good to see you, Derek, as always. Dercherso says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Good episode, good guest and good takes.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Thank you, dear. Shabir, Gustav says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hi Henrik. Finally able to catch the show live for change. Very impressive by Sewell.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Yeah, we all are. Very good:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Keep fighting the good fight, both of you.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Thank you. Archie:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Fascinating information. I missed the beginning. White power!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well, there you go. Thank you, Archie. Appreciate it. We got Alcion as well. Good to see you. Says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Happy to see Tom again. My question, Tom, so many of us around the world respect you tremendously and are taking notes from your group’s success. Do you think world jewery is hitting you especially hard because they understand your significance not just nationally, but globally?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And he ends with:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hail Volk. Hail Red Ice and hail White Australia!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Comments?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> World jewry has already done 99% of what it can do to us. And so now it’s got one left, one thing left to do to us. And I’m not sure if it’s prepared to do that one last thing. So there’s nothing more that it can do. I don’t have a bank account. I go into the bank, I can’t set one up. Yeah, I’ve been locked in solitary confinement. I’ve been framed, I’ve been imprisoned. You know, I’ve had unjust treatment through the courts. What else?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, I’ve lost all the jobs. I can only work for friends now. The only work I can get is from people that are connected to our community, which is why building community is so important. You can’t just run away and hide from doxing for the rest of your life:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“I just don’t want to get doxed! I just don’t want to get doxed!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That’s not a solution to the problem. That’s not even a band aid. That’s not even a band aid! Conflict avoidance doesn’t solve the problem.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The only way to solve the problem is insular communities, whether that’s big or small. Ideally, the bigger, the better. The bigger it is actually the more protected it is.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But we need to have communities. If you only know people on the Internet, you don’t even know their name. You’ve never even met their wife, you don’t even know what they do for work. Because people so worried about getting doxed, like everything’s hush hush, everything’s secret, like that’s the psyop! Not doxing yourself!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, what more can the jews do other than kill me or try to kill me? I don’t know. There’s nothing more that they can do. There’s simply nothing that they haven’t already tried and failed. That they cannot stop what is coming. They cannot stop our determination, our will from triumphing. So well, it’s just assassination. That’s all they’ve got left.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So, Valhalla, here I come! I don’t care! I’m gonna keep going.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, yeah, I mean that’s the spirit you have to have, undoubtedly. And again it’s this is not gonna just go away. These sentiments, this mentality, the problems we’re faced with here and the reality of the situation is not just going to kind of morph into something else tomorrow on the Internet, because that’s a hip new topic to be into or something. I mean, this is not going away.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So, yeah, I’m with you. I think this is an inevitable trajectory for, again, I’m not saying the majority of White people, but a substantial enough portion of White people in order to make some real changes and clawing back control of our nations once again. I think it’s going to happen, you know, undoubtedly.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:00:12]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I think it’s intergenerational as well. I think that in Australia this is the first time we’ve probably had an intergenerational movement here in Australia, which shows you how far behind we are from Europe. What I’m talking about is we’ve got the first generation of 18 year olds coming through now whose dads are members of the organization or have been for a long time. You know, so that is kind of embarrassing that it took to the year 2025 to have that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, the Muslims don’t have that issue. Like any Muslim you meet on the street. I’m pretty sure their dads are Muslim. I’m pretty sure their granddads are Muslim. I’m pretty sure their great granddad’s a Muslim. I’m pretty sure they’ve been organizing politically as Muslims for their entire existence.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So as White people, we need to have intergenerational White nationalism. That’s the only way we’re going to survive.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So we’re finally seeing that now here in Australia. And there’s a lot of power in that. We’ve got young guys that are being brought up in the community and the government fears it, like the government at the moment, the thing that they were talking about the most on the media about us in the lead up to Bondi, before the Bondi thing happened, other than imprisoning me and imprisoning Joel Davis, was the home-schooling network. They are petrified at our home-schooling network! And we don’t even have much of a home-schooling network. It’s just in its infancy. Literally, it’s in its infancy. We’ve mostly got toddlers because most of the men in the organization are young men and we’ve only just started having kids in the last five years. So, we don’t even really have a proper home-schooling network set up. We’re just going with it. We can’t even send our kids to kindergarten anyway because you have to be vaccinated in Australia to send your kid to kindergarten.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’s a matter of necessity. It’s not just a matter of choice. It’s like even if we wanted to send our kids to kindergarten hypothetically, we actually legally can’t. We’d have to forge documents because our children are not allowed to go to kindergarten.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Insane! Yeah. Homeschooling is banned in Sweden. Germany too.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Of course.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So no option. Incredible! Mr. Marsh Wood says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, Tom, just want to say thank you for all what you guys are doing. I had a great time at the Victoria seminar and hope to attend more.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>He says. Do you have any comments? This was a local, for White Australia, the organization. That’s where you had the Victoria seminar?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, we had it in Melbourne. So all the capital cities except for Sydney, New South Wales, had a seminar last weekend. So we’re syncing everything up and we released the policies for the first time on Saturday.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Nice. Awesome! Based rat 1488 says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, Tom, these conspiracy theories are opening the light to show that the jews are at fault for this attack either way, for funding the Australian government to spread multiculturalism in Australia. BR.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Not sure if you have any comments on that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, sure. Of course the jews are behind multiculturalism in Australia. Yes. But I don’t think anyone in the media are talking about that. Like we are talking about it in our circles. But that’s very insulated.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And also you have to think tactically about it. You know, you can bring up that point. You can certainly approach that point. It could be considered a good time to approach that point. But the primary thing I believe that the movement needs to focus on when there’s a terror attack by Muslims against predominantly jews at Bondi beach, the primary point we need to come at it is that we don’t want either of these people here, that we want a sovereign country and that multiculturalism and the government are at fault. And yeah, I’m an anti-semite. I’m one of the most outspoken anti-semites in the fucking world! And I’m saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, guys, tactically it would be smart if we pile pressure on the government at this point. Like not to give away the tactic. But you gotta join the dog pile.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Everyone’s attacking the government and for the right reasons or sometimes the wrong reasons. But, it’s not just all about, hey, let’s dogpile the jews while they’re being fucking shot. It’s like, look, there’s a time and a place to dogpile the jews, but it’s probably tactically smarter to dogpile the government when the jews are getting shot.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yes. About working with the energy, right? It’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“No, no, it’s not the Muslims fault!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You know, I’ve seen that too.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And that’s the thing with the:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Well, that’s a false flag. The Manchester bombing was this or that.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> These people have never met a Muslim!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Anyone that’s met a Muslim. Look, I don’t know any Muslims. I’m living quite insular at the moment. But because I’m not allowed to go to a commercial gym. I get banned from every commercial gym I go to, but I don’t care! We’ve got our own gyms, but sometimes I like training at like proper fight gyms. But like some of the boys train at proper fight gyms and they’re saying to me that when it happened, all the Muslims at the fight gym are just like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Inshallah, brother, more dead jews. This is awesome!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Just like openly in front of Aussies, in front of like multiculturalism. Like they don’t give a fuck l like the Muslims don’t give a fuck! All right. So they say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh this guy’s not a real Muslim!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Nah, you don’t understand where we’re at. It’s not 2000 fucking, &#8230; It’s not 1995 anymore. Like those days are fucking gone! It’s fucking race war! Everyone knows it.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:05:46]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That’s right. Ghost Dogman says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Thomas is a great field expert on the Great War on Whites. I hope to see more from him on Red Ice TV. Free Joel!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That’s right, Ghost Dogman. Thank you. J.C. Henderson, 94 says simply:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Heil Red Ice. Heil Sewell. Thanks for doing what you’re doing.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well, thank you. Brian. 7316 says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hi, and it’s great to see Tom on Red Ice again. He’s an Aussie hero. Like the Sewell’s charge against Antifa. Smiley face.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>There you go. Exactly! Very nice. Protector podcast:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey Tom, I’m 15 year old from Australia that has been getting really into nationalism and National Socialism. I can’t join the NSN. I’m pretty. I’m a pretty tall and fit guy, at what age can I join?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>He’s asking you.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> As a general rule, we don’t accept applicants under the age of 16. Just as a general rule. Yeah, so.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So you have to wait one year. Might just have to wait a year.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. And even then between 16 and 18, we’re pretty discriminatory just because we don’t want to risk having someone join under the age of 18 that is a fucking, is an idiot! You know what I mean? We’ve had a lot of issues with people joining and not being honest to their parents.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so we really only accept applicants under 18 now that have a good relationship with their parents. Because what we’ve got now is a whole state infrastructure set up where parents can now basically rat their children to the Stasi. And then it basically the parents can sign away their kid’s life to the government. So you know how like all that shit with like Britney Spears and how her dad like controlled her?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, unfortunately I do remember that. Yeah, yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Do you remember all that garbage? Yeah, it’s like it’s got a name to it. I can’t remember what the word is. But basically, if you’re under 18 and you join the Org and your parents are like full blown, like normgroid retards, they can basically call the government and be like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“My son has joined NSN! He’s doing boxing at the park. Is he gonna be a terrorist?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then like a hysterical retard. And then basically the cops, then you’re just like chilling at home playing Minecraft or Roblox. And then the fucking feds rock up at your house and your parents let them in and then they come into your bedroom, they take your computer, they take your phone, they sit you down for like four hours and abuse you and tell you that you’re being brainwashed by maniacs:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“They’re gonna strap bombs to your chest and have you run at Muslims and have them blown up!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And like just the most insane shit! Like some of these young lads that have had this, had to go through this, they’ve recorded the conversation. So I know what these piggies are saying to 16 year olds and how insane they are.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And I’ve listened to the most insane conversations where these piggies are saying like just the craziest shit to try to like brainwash these kids. They’re doing exactly what they’re accusing us of doing! They’re literally brainwashing these kids into believing the most insane shit, and then to make it even worse, your parents then sign off and you’ve got to do a de-radicalization course, which means you have a government friend now that comes and buys you KFC once a week and talks to you about your feelings for the next like year and a half. And you just don’t want to go through that! If you don’t have sick cunt parents, just fucking do your push ups, get a trade, finish high school, talk to your mates about this stuff. You know what I mean? And be careful how you talk to your mates about the stuff. Because a lot of guys that have reached out to the org, that aren’t in the org but have reached out and said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, I’ve been forced to this DeRad thing, do I have to do it?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And we say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, what happened? Like, we’ve never heard of you. How are you on a DeRad thing?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And they’ve said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, I was talking about the Holocaust in class. And some kid in my class told the teacher and the teacher called the government and now I’ve got a government friend.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Fuck dude, like, you got to be careful!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> like, the Zoomers aren’t careful. They say crazy shit at school and they don’t realize that the teachers are trained to inform on them, if they say anything remotely like nationalistic. So you got to be very careful if you’re a young guy.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But if your parents. Look, if your dad is willing to meet with myself or whoever the state leader is or whoever the region rep is, if your dad’s willing to meet with us, then yes, you can join at whatever age.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But it’s basically like parental permission because, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We just can’t be fucked dealing with the government.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Like, sure.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’s a joke!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep. All right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:10:32]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You can go to Drag Queen Story Hour, of course. Yeah, that’s fine. You can’t join the Nazi boxing club. We will strap a bomb to your chest, apparently, according to police, because that’s happened.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I think that answered your second follow up, that Protector podcast too, in terms of what you can do to get involved more in that space.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, talk to your dad. Tell your dad why you want to join and go from there.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And if your dad’s cool with it. What a lot of the dads say to us, because we do have a lot of people under the age of 18 involved and what a lot of the dads say to us is:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“I just don’t want them doing activism.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And we say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“That’s cool! Activism isn’t compulsory. It’s not compulsory. He can come and train, but, yeah, he’s not allowed to do activism.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Very good. Canadian Girl Rumble says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Much love and support from Canada. Hail Sewell and the NSN!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Thank you, Canadian Girl Rumble. Aussie autist 88, says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Preferred meal, butter chicken or tikka masala?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Butter chicken. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Butter chicken. There you go.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> They’re all going home. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> But we got the recipe!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> We got the recipe.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Butter chicken is actually an ancient Aryan dish.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Probably. Of course it is. Indo Aryan Oziotis again says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Our faggot ministers have zero vision. Zero vril. They are all so sterile and impotent. The vision of White Australia will go far!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>There you go. Thor’s Rune. Yeah, go ahead.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Preach racist, preach!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> There you go.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Thor’s Rune:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Great discussion, great points laid out by Thomas. Standing strong for his nation and our people. Activism is no easy task in a politically hostile environment. Hail from SoCal!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Southern California. Holy smokes. Get out of there if you can. Anyway, my condolences, but thank you, Thorstroom. Appreciate that. But the Bearded Indian says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Why do you think the Muslim retreated to the bridge instead of charging towards the crowds of targets?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well, he was on a vantage point. It was up high, obviously, so that was his best view, I would assume. What do you think?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, same reason.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> All right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> They could cover each other from there.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, because his dad. Didn’t his dad have a shotgun? He was like the one who’s going to take care of there’s someone that’s approaching the son. The main shooter. That’s what he looked like to me anyway, But I’m not sure.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, and also the dad was fat and slow.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> So it’s just common sense. But anyway, what a silly question. Bearded Indian usually has good questions.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Aussie autistic says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hail Odin. Hail victory! Enjoy the solstice. Have a good Yuletide.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well, thank you. Exactly! That’s coming up here soon. The 21st.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You’ve got midsummer this year.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, that’s right. You get Midsummer.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> So do you celebrate it upside down, too? Is that how you do it?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We do, yeah. We hang out from the, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> The Hanged Man.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We hang from the trees.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Odin.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, The Upside Down.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Nine nights. Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I sacrificed myself to myself.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> One eye patch when Randall Flag says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Thomas, Australia’s elite are primarily composed of old mining clans. From what I hear, they are the biggest turncoats who sold off your mines to the CCP. How do you propose on retaking your resources?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Interesting question.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> At bayonet point!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> What?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> At bayonet point.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh, there we go. Okay, well that explains it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. So many people ask me:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“How are you going to do this? How are you going to do that?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We’re just going to do it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Interesting small things to hone in on. But I mean, it’s not small, I guess.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But yeah, we’re just going to do it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> If there’s a will, I guess. Okay, we got one.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The how we’re gonna do it? Well, when we’re close to it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, well, who knows?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> If you need to know, if you’re part of it, we’ll tell you, will be part of it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> You will find out. How about that?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> There’s so many spectators. Imagine going down to the football match and you’re a spectator and you’re in the crowd. There’s like 10,000 people in the crowd and you’re just shouting at the coach:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“How are you gonna get that touchdown? How are you gonna do it?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> It’s impossible!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Shut up!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You want to join the team? I’ll teach you. Join the team and I’ll teach you how we’re going to do it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That’s right. That’s a good answer.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Sitting on the sideline:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“How are you going to do this?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>All right, we get why democracy is really gay.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, yeah, it’s, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Everyone wants a voice but no one wants to do the work. Everyone wants a voice, but no one wants to do it. The way it says, “<em>rights without duties</em>”, that’s the primary issue. So democracy that we’re going to build is “<em>rights and duties</em>”. You’ll get lots of rights, but you got to do the duties! You got to put your time in on the gun. They’re not inalienable:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“I’m born so therefore, hahaha, I get everything!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yeah, that’s how Rome collapsed.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Because that just creates a fat, weak, retarded society. Look what happened to the Romans. They were born with the privilege of being a Roman citizen. They didn’t have to work for it anymore. They have to fight for it! They didn’t have to do any duty. They forgot their own religion, everything. It just deteriorated them, because they forgot how to just put in the work for the race.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:15:35]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, it’s so hard, right? You get success breeds complacency and comfort. And then out of that it’s so hard to motivate the younger people and the kids specifically, obviously, that grow up in that. Right. They have the abundance, the affluence. It’s extremely hard. Right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Someone asked me:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“How are we going to take back the Commonwealth Bank?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Is <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> that the priority?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> No, but we’re going to do it. We are going to do it. That’s part of policy too. It’s like we’re just going to take ownership of it:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“What do you mean, but how are you going to do it?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>We’re just going to do it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Trust the plan. All right, how about that?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> What do you want? You want me to write like a 300 page essay on, like, how we’re going to manage all the branches?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Needed in writing Tom. Right now!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> How did they sell it? Did the guy that sold it off, did he write a 300 page? He probably did. Knowing democracy.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Legalese wise. Yes.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, they just sold it to their mates. They just got rid of it. They just sold it to their mates. They just had friends. And now it’s 1.3 trillion in the private sector and it was a state asset. They just gave it to their mates.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep. Of course!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We’re just going to take it back!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> When do they do that by the way?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> 1996.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> 96, okay, interesting.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> They just gave it to their mates. That’s what they did. They gave it to their mates. They gave it to their jewish mates.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Of course. Okay, we got one more here. Alufaltruda, if I say that correctly:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“What would you say to men who want to participate in the inner activism part of White Australia but aren’t yet physically fit? Would you allow fat guys or twigs to join the park training?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, we have fat guys and skinny guys at training. Yeah, we do. Like the fitness testing is not:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, you can’t hang out with us, associate with us or train with us if you don’t pass this testing.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That’s not how the testing works. The testing works is we’ve got a hierarchy where you don’t become an official member. There’s like a process where you go through like an initiation phase, like the bikies would call it, like a prospecting phase, like at work it might be called a trainee phase. You go through your apprenticeship, you go through like a trainee phase where you do six months and then you get promoted and you do another six months and you get promoted. But at those promotions you have to meet certain fitness standards.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So there’s some guys that have been in the org three years and they haven’t been promoted because they have never worked on their fitness. They just come once a month, they hang out, they stand at the barbecue, they have a cigarette and you know what I mean, it’s like they’re a minority. They’re in the minority. There’s only a couple guys that do that it’s not a good culture if there was a whole bunch doing it. But when it’s just a couple guys coming down, they can keep an eye on things. They can do a bit of security, they can check license plates, they can help with the vetting. You know, they can be part of other operations that not everyone has to train.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But again, it is what it is. Different horses. We got Sausage Turners we got security guards, we got all sorts of people.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> All right, the Bearded Indian has a second go here. I guess he must do a better question.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Let’s go round two.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> NSN must publicize the shit out of this. Every politician who promoted diversity is responsible for the mass murder. Job for the clippers to tether those politicians face together.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, absolutely! Yeah. Now the online warfare is really important. And I mean the politicians, their reaction, I mean Burke, Marles and Albo, they are shaking! They are shaking in their boots. You can hear it in their voice. They got gay lisps. I mean, it is embarrassing!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, there’s one video. You got to play it quickly. You got to play it quickly. I’ll find it, I’ll send it. I’ll DM it to you.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You’ve got to play this video. Oh, it is embarrassing!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I’ll take the other one here.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> This is Australia’s Defense Minister.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Find that there.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I found it. I found it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay, yeah, send it to me. I’ll pull it up here.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Check your DMs. You got to play this video.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh, it’s through. Okay, let me save that down real quick there then. We’ll get that one.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Of course I got some, the Rumble channel up in the meantime here as well. Well, I download that for White Australia. You guys are obviously on the main website. There is WhiteAustralia.org or simply WhiteAus. I think you can go to as well, dot org to get to the website.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:19:54]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> They both redirect. There’s a whole bunch of things that redirect to White Australia.org.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay, here we go. Let’s see if that downloaded here. I’m going to import that down properly. Doesn’t seem like it hopefully works. No file format. Oh, it’s still downloading. It’s slow as hell! Okay. Also in the meantime that. Well, I’m just waiting for that. Just be a couple of seconds. There’s a Telegram page obviously for White Australia as well. Then you have your personal one. Tom Sewell uncensored on Telegram. Any other social media links website where people can, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> I got a Gab. Thomas underscore Sewell. But I just don’t use it. I need to, but I just keep forgetting. But Gab feels pretty dead lately. I don’t know. We’re banned from Twitter.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Next year I’m gonna try to get on Twitter and Instagram and just see how long I last. But we’re going to launch the policy parties first. I’ve got a list of priorities and then I’m going to just do like I’m going to spam videos and social media stuff and if I get a week, I’ll be really happy.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay, here’s the clip. It’s down on Defense Minister Richard Marles. Here’s his comments. Check it out.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Sky News:</strong> Do you feel like there needs to be and should there be a greater emphasis on hate speech from Muslim clerics in the Western part of Sydney?</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Richard Marles:</strong> I think. Look, I think as I said earlier, what we’ve done is criminalize more forms of hate speech, and we’ve criminalized the Nazi salute. Obviously that’s in its own context, but we need to be looking at all of this. And it is really important that we have., &#8230;</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Sky News:</strong> So should there be a greater emphasis on this hate speech from Muslim clerics, then?</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Richard Marles:</strong> I don’t want to. We will go through all of this. I emphasize that we have done more in terms of criminalising hate speech than we have seen from any other government. But we need to look at all of this and we need to make sure that we’ve got the right laws in place and that we are doing everything we can to keep safe that the vibrant multicultural society, &#8230;</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> There it is! <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> There it is! Oh, my gosh! All right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Please, please, Yahweh, send me your gayest, most retarded enemies. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That is funny!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> That’s Defense Minister of Australia, a gay retard!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> He seems genuinely rattled!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Tony Burke has got like this high pitched, I’ve never heard his voice go high pitch before. Tony Burke is like. He’s got like the fear complex at the moment when the media are asking questions. And he got booed. He came down to the memorial and the jews all booed him. And this is the guy that deported a neo-Nazi for the jews! And the jews are booing him.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Doesn’t matter. Yep, exactly!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You deports Nazis, but you didn’t deport the Muslims.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, they do that right, though. And it sounds like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yeah, you’ve been very good. You did this great. We’re very happy!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>No, at that point, you have the opportunity to push really hard to get just much more of what you want. And how do you want the politicians to act for you on behalf of you? They know how to do that. Okay, we got two more here, Tom, before we let you go here. Line Crosses said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“The police must have had so many angles on those shooters. Shooters were exposed, evident by the many camera angles on them. Sloppy.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, I heard one rabbi there, they interviewed him was like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“It must have been 20 minutes.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Or something. And it’s like. I don’t think it was 20 minutes. It probably felt like 20 minutes for the people that were there. But five maybe, I don’t know, maybe 10, I don’t know.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Oh, it was almost 10. It was almost 10 minutes. Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Which is a long time.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Which is way too long. Like Bondi, the traffic’s bad, but there’s always cops at Bondi Beach. I’ve never not seen cops at Bondi Beach. I’ve always seen police at Bondi beach, usually in teams of two or teams of four.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So the fact that it took 10 minutes to get to the shooting, to resolve the shooting, and took probably I don’t know, five minutes to get there. There’s video footage of cops driving past the bridge. So they had an angle to shoot out the window up that bridge. There’s cops driving past and they didn’t stop. They just kept going. So, yeah, despicable!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But fat Chungus. Not the Chungus that arrested Joel, but another Chungus was the one that got the killer shot on the dad. Really small Chungus.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Okay.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. There’s footage of the Chungus. There was a fat Chungus cop that got the shot off. So he wasn’t a beat cop. He was in a suit. So that just shows you know, there’s cops in dress shirts walking around, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:24:50]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> How did he get there? How did he get there before the cops that were in uniform. He’s not wearing a bulletproof vest either.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So the cop that got the shot off was just a fat Chungus from the office that might have been just getting lunch. I don’t know the story yet. But another interesting thing that I forgot to mention was the media, because a whole bunch of lifeguards tried to assist in the process as well. And there was lifeguards that were there on the scene before the cops got there, as well as the Aussies that just like stomped the two guys on the ground on the bridge. But there was a guy trying to read out the names of the lifeguards that had helped save people’s lives. And helped try to deal with it. And the media wouldn’t let this guy read out the names of the lifeguards. Because the media here in Australia, all they’re saying on the news is just:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Look at this brown guy that saved the day! Look at this jewish guy that saved the day. Look at all these heroes of multiculturalism!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like, they won’t read out the names. And they’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“His name was Al Hamid Muhammad!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then they just say it like 20 times.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So, yeah, you turn on the news and it’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“And the hero was Al Hamid Muhammad!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s just, on repeat, on repeat, on repeat!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like, they wouldn’t let a guy read out the names of the lifeguards that tried to help because it’s like Ben Stewart, Thomas Stevens. You know what I mean?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah, exactly! Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> All Aussie names.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I mean, the solution, therefore, is:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Let’s bring in a million more Muslims to protect us from the Muslims!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Right? <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We need migrants to stop us from migrants!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Exactly! See, the good ones cancel out the bad ones, I guess, but they kill White Australians in the process, obviously. Yeah. People are asking chat here:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“What’s a chungus? Chubby, thick, large?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Is that the definition?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. Chungus is like a big fat chungus. You know, like a Big Chungus. It was like, I’ll just Google it. Big chungus. They don’t know the Big Chungus.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That’s like the, &#8230; Bugs Bunny! Exactly! Yeah, that’s the bunny. Exactly!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> If you don’t know the Big Chungus.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Home of the Brave says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“The most white pilling is listening to Tom Sewell. Absolutely no one wants to step up in America, so I guess I’m gonna have to do it!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well, that’s the spirit. That is not true, by the way. But that’s the spirit obviously. If you don’t think anyone does, then, yeah, you do it:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Thanks for giving me hope and vectorizing the Vril.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Hail home of the brave.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, I get a lot of DMs from Americans and they all want to be Australia’s Thomas Sewell. Sorry, America’s Thomas Sewell. I get a lot of DMs. I get a lot of people unsolicited in the DMs on Telegram and they’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Check out my page, Tom. I’m the next Thomas Sewell!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then I check out the page and it’s got two subscribers. And I’m like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Dude, I’m not going to be your third subscriber. I’m sorry, you’re going to have to put your time on the gun. You have to build up a bit of a following yourself.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>They’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Tom, can you share my page? I’m America’s Thomas Sewell!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>No, you’re not. You’re unfortunately not. I’m sorry.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh, we got another Thomas. Does a good job. Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> There’s Hammer. There’s all sorts of guys. There’s lots of guys in America. There’s a lot of guys that are not necessarily like doxed, like not name fagging, as they say on the chins. There’s a lot of guys that just, they just put in the work. They just build the active club or they build their organization. You know, they just put their folk first and they do it without the glory. And yeah, also a little bit off topic. I was in jail, so no one told me. No one told me Chris Cantwell’s a faggot! What the fuck happened? What the fuck is going on?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I don’t wanna, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> He sent me a message like a week ago. He’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hey, man, can you share this post for me?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And I’m like, I didn’t say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yeah, all right.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I was like, in my head:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yeah, all right.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I always read everything first before I share. Always. And I’m like scrolling through and it was like something about gay sex. And I was like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hang on a minute. What the fuck!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then I read it again and I replied to him:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Chris, what the fuck are you talking about?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then I sent it to the boys and they’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Yeah, bro, did you not know?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I was like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“No one told me. I was in prison. No one told me!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then I went through his page and he was like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“When I was 14, I had sex with a man. He wasn’t attractive.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“What the fuck Chris, you fucking weird cunt!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Imagine that!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Holy shit! He fell off.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Imagine that!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> He was a bit of an oddball, but fuck, he fell off.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Some things kind of makes sense.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Eric Striker likes biting my ankles. I hope he’s biting Chris Cantwell’s ankles. Hopefully he doesn’t get AIDS.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Well, yeah, that’s, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Why are people having a go at me when there’s cunts like that! I should be, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I don’t think anyone’s giving him a pass, to be honest.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But yeah, I get your point.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:30:01]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> No one’s giving him a pass, but how did that fucking slip through to the keeper? Someone must have known!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Probably.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You know, that’s one of our vetting questions. You know, that’s one of our vetting questions is that:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“If someone tells you in secret something like that, would you share it with other people? Or would you keep it a secret?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That’s one of our vetting questions.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> When did you start being gay? That’s the vetting question. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, exactly! <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> I shouldn’t be giving away our vetting questions. Antifa’s probably got through stage one. They just probably don’t get stage two or stage three. But like, that’s in stage one. Like, are you a fag sympathizer? We don’t want you. That’s how we got this problem in the first place.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I’m sure they answer honestly on that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Because in politics, there’s not many forces worse than gays. Like, there’s jews. Jews are worse! But like gays are fucked! They’re insidious. They’re absolutely insidious. They have to be just completely rooted out of every single organization. That’s how politics have been taken over. Like people that can be blackmailed. You know what I mean?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And yeah, gays are all ashamed of themselves. That’s why they have to take drugs to do it. They’re freaks! They’re disgusting freaks! There’s no normal gays. There’s no such thing as a normal gay. They’re all freaks! Don’t associate with them. Anyone that associates with gays, I don’t associate with them.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I agree.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Even straight people. I just can’t tolerate anyone that’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, I’ve got a gay friend.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Nuke! See you later. Don’t talk to me again. Do not contact. Lose this number.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> We got Line Cross:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Small fat chungus has the most testosterone in the force.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s interesting. Isn’t that interesting? Megawatts 80:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Hi, Tom!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Hi.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> There you go. I was waiting for a hi back. Line Cross again:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“I can’t help but imagine the media crap storm if a member or two of the NSN was there and foiled that attack.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Oh, they probably wouldn’t have done much except get shotgun to the face!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Taking them out too.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. I mean, to be fair, that one guy did disarm the fat chungus that ran down. It didn’t even make sense. Anyway, I won’t go into.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Rob Jasimer here says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Correct. Thank you, Rob.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. All right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> I think we’re caught up there. Thank you, Tom, so much for joining us today. I appreciate it. Always pleasure talking to you. Keep up the good work, the excellent work, the fantastic work you’re doing down there. We’re all watching and very interested in the development, not only, of course, the political kind of faction of this, the arm, the wing of what you’re doing, obviously, but yeah, it’s always a pleasure having you on, man! And anything else, closing thoughts you want to run through here before we wrap up for today?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> We’re gonna win! Yeah, I don’t have a closing spiel. I think I’ve said a lot today and yeah, just gas all the black pillers! Just don’t associate with black pillers. The worst humans in this movement are the black pillers. Just don’t associate with them. They’re like a social disease in the movement. And we have made so much progress over the years because we just gas the black pillers! We just get rid of them. We just don’t associate with them.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Now, you can be a critic, and you can be a fair critic and you can be realistic.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> You want that part of it for sure. Shoot holes in everything. Right? But, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But you don’t want people that by their very nature they’re unhappy, they’re unlucky, they’re pessimistic. Don’t associate with these kinds of people because they will destroy your clique. They will destroy your movement, they will destroy your business, they will destroy your organization, they will destroy your family. Don’t associate with fundamentally unhappy, weak willed people! Just don’t associate with them. They’re just the chaff. You know what I mean? They’re just the chaff and they’re not going to make it. They’re just not going to make it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And all the progress we have made as an organization has been this “<em>triumph of the will</em>”. You, when you get involved and you do five years or even less, like maybe within two or three years you might start to feel, you might feel the energy. Like you can feel the winds of change or the vibrations or whatever is. You can feel it and you can feel that progress coming from just these high vril, high energy like people, men and women, it’s male and female energy, in different ways. It’s obviously predominantly male energy in the movement. But that energy, that high virile energy, like there’s so many face doxed people, there’s so many people that aren’t face doxed, but they work really hard behind the scenes and they just love it! You’ve just got to love it! You’ve got to learn to love the struggle. You’ve got to learn to love this battle we’re in. And when you’re faced with adversity, you should always just see it as a challenge. You should always just see it as:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, that’s what they’re throwing at us now. Oh, that’s where my life’s at now!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Just take a step back, breathe, calm down, get your bearings and get stuck back in. Get back to work! And yeah, that’s the success of my organization. I don’t tolerate it. We just get rid of you.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And that’s why we’re growing. There was a point where we got stuck at 20, 30 guys. And building a little active club with five guys is pretty easy. It’s really easy. Almost everyone can do it. Almost anyone that’s not a retard can do it. You can build four or five guys in an active club. When you get to 20 to 30 guys, it becomes very difficult. You really need to have some leadership qualities.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:36:06]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But also you start to realize that not all 20 to 30 men are equal. And that you need to have a really good core. You need to have people that really have good energy and good commitment level and they’re there for the right reasons. They’re not just loser freaks that hate society and are looking for any kind of vagrant group to attach themselves to. You want to just stay clear of the loser freaks! You just don’t want losers! That doesn’t mean everyone has to be as corporate or like high paid or like big earner, tradesman, driving a nice car.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s not about status and it’s not about money. It’s about work ethic, it’s about integrity. Yeah, that’s way more important, that’s way more important than money. Don’t think that it’s about money. It’s got nothing to do with money. You’ll find that there’s lots of people with money that have really bad work ethic. They just know the right people, they went to the right school, their dad’s friends are wealthy, blah blah, blah. And that’s why they drive a $200,000 car.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Whereas there’s men driving around five thousand dollar cars and they got a great work ethic. They’re hustlers and not in a gay cringe, corporate capitalist mindset, in terms of a political mindset. They get home, they’re video editing, they’re doing shit, they’re on Twitter, they’re Twitter maxing, they’re in the gym, they’re fighting.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Okay, so what? They drive a $5,000 a car, who cares? You know what I mean? Like they got a good work ethic.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So yeah, you want to surround yourself with people that are willing to work for nationalism. They’re willing to put in the work. And pessimists and black pillers, they just want to sit there and just sink the boat, you know, Imagine you’re on a journey, you’re on a mission. You want cunts on the fucking oars! Get on the fucking oars! Let’s go!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Correct. Yep.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And if you’ve got a skill, if you can navigate, if you can navigate, you got to first do your time on the fucking oars. We don’t need all this dead weight on the boat saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, we should go this way or we should go that way!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Shut up! Get on the oar. All right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah. Learn to work as a team first. Right? Kind of thing.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And get in the rhythm.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Get your individuality, your emotions to the side. Just get rid of all of that and create a unit that can cooperate and then from there you can do that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And as you said, I mean, yeah, you should surround yourself with people that are smarter than you, that are better than you, they know more than you. And that creates an environment where you are all feeding off each other. You grow, you become better.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah. And you should lift people up that aren’t.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Oh, 100%.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> But don’t waste time on people that are fundamentally broken. And the younger you are, the more time you waste on broken people. When I was young, I wasted years on broken people trying to help them.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> And yeah, as Adolf Hitler says:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“God helps no one that doesn’t help themselves. And German people, help yourselves!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And I believe that about us as Aryans, as White people. Like we need to help ourselves. And yeah you don’t want to like cut off people too quickly. You want to give people time. Some people take six months, some people 12 months.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But yeah, you’re not always going to find yourself surrounded by people that are making more money than you or that are smarter than you or whatever. Sometimes you’re going to find yourself surrounded by people that are are less fit than you and, or, whatever the metric is that you’re measuring. And yeah, what mateship is about is about lifting up the guys around you know, and a good amount of positive bullying, a good amount of positive work. Inclusive bullying.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Shaming and bullying works 100%.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Lift up the guys around you. That’s one way that an organization grows is that guys join and it’s not that you’re joining a self improvement society. Go join the Freemasons if that’s what you’re looking for! You know what I mean? Like our organization, the purpose of it isn’t a self improvement society, but I do believe that’s a side effect on it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That’s a positive side effect of it.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, exactly! Yeah. It’s a side effect of brotherhood.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Correct.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’s a side effect of an effective brotherhood. All effective brotherhoods are do that. And what we have at the moment is like veterans organizations and men’s clubs and stuff like that. They’re all just like pity parties. I don’t go to them because I know that they’re gay as fuck, but I know people that go to these like guys that I was in the army with and you know, tradesmen, they go to these like groups that aren’t our group. They go to these like socially approved groups after work and it’s just like they’re just getting lectured by some faggot about toxic masculinity. And it’s just like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“How do you fucking put up with this? Like you don’t need friends that bad, dude. Like, just go to the gym!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[2:40:44]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Just making friends there, nothing else.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, like a lot of the veterans organizations, for example, a bit off topic, but a lot of them are just that what you feed grows pity parties. They’re just like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Oh, I have nightmares.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> It’s just like, fuck, man!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>At some point you have to like a new vision, Focus on something new, fresh. And I know it sucks! I’m not trying to diminish it. But I’m saying also at some point you got to kind of keep busy, right? You got to get active and busy.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> If you’ve got depression, for example, and you go to the depression week and you’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“I’m so depressed I can’t get out of bed in the morning!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Is that ever going to fix the problem?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> No, no, it’s not.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> You just need a fucking injection of Vril!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> Yep, Correct.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Just get out of fucking bed. Find a purpose.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But yeah, anyway, I’ve said enough.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> No, no, it’s all good. All good. Dr. Jenstein:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: black;">“Thanks guys. Great stream!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Yeah, I really appreciate it. Great conversation, Tom, as always, I appreciate you. And again, thanks. Salute to all of you and the guys over there. Hope Joel gets out soon.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And as always, of course, &#8230;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> 23rd, hopefully.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> 23rd. Oh, really? Okay. So day before Yule. Okay, nice.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Yeah, a week.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> All right, well, say hi to him from us here at Red Ice. We’re thinking of him.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>All right, Tom, have a great Yule. Christmas done. Coming up here shortly, soon.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> Thank you for having me.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> That’s right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And obviously I suppose you say Australia for the White man! We’ll see you later, Tom.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: blue;">
<p><strong>Thomas Sewell:</strong> The rest must go!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div style="color: black;">
<p><strong>Henrik Palgren:</strong> The rest must go. <span style="color: #008000;">[chuckling]</span> There you go.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>All right, cheers. Take care. Thanks.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>All right, guys, there we go. Thank you so much to Tom again for joining us. We appreciate you.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>All right, we’re gonna wrap up right there. I do want to say thanks to our executive producers though, before we let you go, but a little plug here for tomorrow. We’re talking with Sven Longshanks and of course he was imprisoned by the UK system for essentially podcasting. That will be live at 2 PM Eastern, which is 8 o’ clock Central European time. Eight in the evening, obviously. We got Flashback Friday coming up on Friday.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p>BeornBeorning<br />
5 hours ago<br />
Great guest!</p>
<p>RestitutorOrbis1028<br />
VerifiedLocals Supporter<br />
2 days ago<br />
Australia was batshit crazy &#038; cruel during Cοvid; I will never forget it. Ontario &#038; British Columbia (Canada) come in close behind.</p>
<p>Soozysuz<br />
Supporter<br />
3 days ago<br />
Also the government are so dumb, they don’t even know they have created this right wing movement. There’s no stopping it when they have forced us into this situation. If they weren’t over controlling fuckheads, we could all be living in peace and enjoying life.</p>
<p>Soozysuz<br />
Supporter<br />
3 days ago<br />
The government are terrified of you guys. After your speech at MFA in August, I had to find out what you were all about, brocade it certainly wasn’t what they were trying to tell us. If been a keen listener ever since. As a woman in my mid 50’s it makes me so happy to see strong young men prepared to do what it takes to take this country back. I grew up in the best times and never imagined we’d be where we are now. Australia is barely recognisable. I really hope we can turn this ship around  Hail <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1fae1.png" alt="🫡" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
<p>6millionbagels<br />
3 days ago<br />
Brilliant interview <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f64f.png" alt="🙏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
<p>Jaymeo1<br />
4 days ago<br />
Tom is the future</p>
<p>Bee1970Something<br />
4 days ago<br />
Israel and their puppets keep causing bullshit and the current so-called leaders all fleece us for this greed</p>
<p>PansophicGothi<br />
4 days ago<br />
Greg Johnson is a normal gay man, and Joel Davis did a live stream with him in 2025. I get the tendency to act like zero tolerance, but that doesn&#8217;t really mesh with reality, it&#8217;s usually more complicated and nuanced.  (Chris Cantwell went off the deep end though.)<br />
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<p>BeornBeorning<br />
5 days ago<br />
&#8220;&#8230;doing everything we can to keep safe the vibrant multicultural society&#8230;&#8221; LMAO<br />
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<p>Lueger<br />
6 days ago<br />
41:00 Striker and those around him have no f&#8217;g idea about the obnoxiousness of the mohammedans in Europe and everywhere else they exist outside of the US. The Jew-S has traditionally filtered out the above-average to below-average sorts and allowed in only the absolute top-level, unislamic intellectuals. I went to Europe as a convinced opponent of semitism, and learned in Europe that opposition to semitism must include opposition to all semites. Jew and arab alike have an ideology of perpetual innocence, mixed with an inclination to communism and lasciviousness. They are both disgusting and should properly be confined to their deserts, pushed off of the coasts of the eastern Mediterranean.</p>
<p>Vasili1<br />
6 days ago<br />
you may be interested in watching&#8211; Jews in Australia 2 – Ernie Rolando Dec 2025 (+ Critical Race Theory) https://www.bitchute.com/video/KbCDmGx8xsOK</p>
<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Ah you&#8217;re an anti-semite (You said that around 2 hours in). Well I guess that means I should go and protect the real Whites then, the negative blood types (myself inclusive).   Jews aren&#8217;t the real semites, but if you have all connection with Christ by blood well then we negative blood types deserve better than being annihilated by the jews, directly targeted and abused not only by people on Earth, but wondering why almost all our lives we&#8217;re being targeted by demons and fallen angels so much and jews trying to replace us and then also annihilated potentially by neo nazi&#8217;s and replaced there too? I&#8217;ve cried deeply enough, shed enough blood and sweat. We&#8217;ve gone through enough us negative blood types, don&#8217;t deserve attacks instead of being cherished and protected and also considering how much we&#8217;ve also done, which means none of you would be here otherwise to even be able to fight. Most of us didn&#8217;t even know that we were blood of Christ and his ancestors until only a few years ago, even though the jews have known and tried to cover it up all along. I&#8217;ve connected with negative blood types the last few years and they&#8217;ve all pretty much said the same thing, we&#8217;re being hunted more so than anyone else in the world and almost all I spoke to were Christian or I didn&#8217;t know and I&#8217;ve spoken to quite a few groups.  I&#8217;m against multiculturalism of all non-Whites with Europeans, Scandinavians (Greenland inclusive) and Whites I don&#8217;t know how it&#8217;s going to go with you lot not accepting we&#8217;re actually the real Whites if that&#8217;s how you&#8217;re going about it. I&#8217;d like an apology at least from the UK people from hating on me throughout school when I was a little girl because they were fucking racist against Polish people and framing Polish people for what the nazi&#8217;s or rather the jews actually did. Sick.  I think there&#8217;s clear reason, negative blood types have to protect our own community worldwide. I might as well go pass on the msg because I don&#8217;t need anyone not being loyal to us.</p>
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boicotinho2<br />
1 week ago<br />
lmao, &#8220;the jews arent the real jews&#8221;. what a nonsense<br />
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
&#8220;What a nonsense?&#8221; lol Have a look at yourself in the mirror and then you&#8217;ll see what real nonsense looks like. If you want to be roasted, mate, I have all day and shit ton load of experience, (no pun intended and frankly it ain&#8217;t shit but since you&#8217;re so literal worse than an actual autistic then lets go with heap ton load instead). I&#8217;ve grown and healed through these time loops like you can&#8217;t imagine despite the BS torture I&#8217;ve had to endure. You&#8217;ll tire out quicker than it takes a cork to blow from a shaken up bottle of cheap sparkling (not even champagne).   Jews are not the real line of Christ and his ancestors. Happy? I can&#8217;t fucking edit these posts and they allow only 2,000 characters as you well know so it doesn&#8217;t let me say everything to a dumbass like you. People with half a brain or holes in it know what I&#8217;m saying, you can&#8217;t, you&#8217;re that retarded? I don&#8217;t have time nor energy for shitty connection, do better. Be kind, instead, takes healing. You eating your wild blueberries? (Clearly not).</p>
<p>whitehonkymonkey<br />
3 days ago<br />
he&#8217;s obviously unhinged,  pity the poor minded<br />
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<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Sorry for the many posts but each post only allows 2,000 characters. So it&#8217;s not just the demons that need to be killed, it&#8217;s also the fallen angels. If we don&#8217;t kill the core of the problem, those fallen will just manipulate people on Earth again, get them accepting &#038; loving their demons &#038; doing sick shit like they did at the Colosseum. According to Anthony William attacking family members because they were forced to while the whole stadium was screaming. Plus people doing things like what they are today, today&#8217;s style canaanite. Joshua, Saul &#038; David (those negative blood types) killed all these jews that went rancid because God directed them to. This is a battle that&#8217;s been going on for thousands of years but for some reason what is God waiting for with the fallen? How is it that our God tells Joshua NKJV 7:10-12 to kill the filth amongst him &#038; won&#8217;t be with Joshua unless he does, yet Jesus our God doesn&#8217;t kill all the filth amongst his realm &#038; the spiritual. We have to investigate further what&#8217;s going on here. Either way, the audiobook is: &#8220;Angels, Demons and Spiritual Tools,&#8221; you can get it on Spotify as well. Takes 7 hours to listen, about 10min a day to do the excersizes even if you don&#8217;t believe in them. For me when I even just started listening to it, my life situation improved &#038; I became more confident against the spiritual &#038; celestial realms that house these filth demons. You can bet all the sick jews are turned demon in the afterlife because satan comes to collect if God&#8217;s angels don&#8217;t come to collect you. The afterlife, is another battle, unfortunately &#038; I don&#8217;t know about you lot, but I&#8217;m already exhausted by the immense full blown attacks I&#8217;ve already received in a frickin&#8217; time loop that I was forced to endure repeats of as well, still am. I know a lot, don&#8217;t know too much about how to get myself out of a time loop, any Jesus Christ following Christians know? Anyway, otherwise I&#8217;m going to have to wait until Christ comes &#038; that could mean we lost.</p>
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RestitutorOrbis1028<br />
VerifiedLocals Supporter<br />
2 days ago<br />
On a social-media post, if you cannot write a concise comment within a few sentences, you need to fundamentally reconsider your language &#038; communication skills. Honestly, trying to provide constructive criticism. Do your best to shoot for a few sentences, one paragraph.  Cheers <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f37b.png" alt="🍻" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
1:30:00 thereabouts, none of the flying cars &#038; the proper architecture &#038; all of us getting along won&#8217;t happen until the demons in the spiritual realm are killed &#038; everyone needs to be taking THAT seriously.  Unfortunately I have to quote Anthony William even though that audiobook was actually half me because he took my personal previous situation where I was screaming at my v2k attackers &#038; crying hysterically from the heat &#038; the spike protein stabs within my body &#038; senses. I didn&#8217;t realise at that point that they had given it to all the cows as well (so everyone is vaccinated unfortunately, need to eat their wild blueberries &#038; all the powders from Christian brand Vimergy, can also get it from the floweroflife.com website to clean that nano out). They just keep dumping nano at us daily, in the air, it&#8217;s part of the chemtrails, it&#8217;s in the water, dairy, you&#8217;re around vaccinated you literally can&#8217;t get away from it. You can minimise your exposure though &#038; clean it out daily so you&#8217;re as close to God as possible, not as close to those cia agents &#038; their ai as possible. At that part of the loop a few years ago Russia &#038; America (jews) were threatening the world with drones that could kill you upon impact using facial recognition &#038; were using them at Ukraine border. Poland had a machine to zap them upon impact, I realised checkmate wasn&#8217;t really checkmate, I screamed what he is saying now in the audiobook made one loop after it happened. He really should have co-authored me but he supports some jews, apparently the better ones &#038; I refuse all jews. That situation you can truly know how evil these satanists are when they abuse their power &#038; think no one is around to help you or that you can&#8217;t help yourself, which is all I had.   Not only that but demons power the energy for these satanists, people have said that the reason Clintons are so powerful is because they used sex magic to attach demons to their soul this was a purposeful intent not always does sex magic do this.</p>
<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
You neo nazi&#8217;s may also be interested to know, that Hitler actually had his own hypnotist and he was using him throughout all the crowd speeches he did. It clearly was greatly effective, how do you think mesmeric techniques from Anton who used to live in Germany in the 1800s ended up actually freeing Germany from them jews? Biggest mistake Hitler made was going after Poland though. That was dumb. Jesus Christ knows all about hypnosis and mesmerism. It was used over 5,000 years ago as a healing modality. The history of Hypnosis and where it&#8217;s going in each country is actually kind of fascinating. In other words, you don&#8217;t attack God&#8217;s children!</p>
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whitehonkymonkey<br />
3 days ago<br />
loving your uneducated comments.</p>
<p>boicotinho2<br />
1 week ago<br />
Jewsus Christ is just jewish mythology!<br />
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
At 21min, JimmyDee on YT (hope I spelt that right) he&#8217;s got about 10k YT following, one one of his videos he mentions this video &#038; this person &#038; showing a photo of him getting painted with red paint and the video from TV. He also mentioned, &#8216;so all of a sudden this guy has no more head split&#8217; I can&#8217;t remember exactly the quote, but it was along those lines, I thought that was a really good point. Young guy, mixed race, hates muslims as well &#038; love the fact he calls out the jews in everyone of his videos. VizzGitt on YT is also good at that too but less often, but they don&#8217;t seem to have a lot of subs, I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s brainwashed people that don&#8217;t follow them or it&#8217;s the jews that are punishing them with algorithms.   At 1 point I thought Mel Gibson was bad when I started getting attacked heavily with the microwave weapons attacked while cleansing, because I wondered why they were using mesmerism to try and hypnotise me so much that I had to block the signals with scalar healing aka longitudinal hz frequency, which does block negative frequencies from the 5g &#038; breaks hypnosis without being killed because CIA they do that kill switch within you. I&#8217;m pretty proud I actually was 1st to figure it out but it was also because of that lady that researched and developed scalar wave healing. I did add her I forgot her name now but you can still find her on YT. But CIA with the nano were using what I sensed as Mel&#8217;s voice or something it was the sound behind his voice it was like oh it&#8217;s so tough to explain, like water has sound waves, when you speak it&#8217;s the subconscious waves that come through from the neurotransmitters of the heart, I could pick up on that because I did Heart Math. CIA Ai betrayed Mel and all of us they used his energy without his consent &#038; used it to attack me with. I&#8217;m pretty sure they also tried with the strongest hypnotists in the world.   Pauline Hanson hates muslims and ching chongs, but supports the satanists, the false jews. It&#8217;s nuts.<br />
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<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
As a professional from what I call &#8220;unhypnotist&#8221; which was my own technique when I asked God what I needed to do with my life decades ago and I had to unravel what the TV and the radio signals were doing to peoples brains by helping them lead them into their subconscious so they could clean it up with Jesus Christ&#8217;s guidance. If only I could help more people, but I&#8217;ve been attacked to not unhypnotise people from the media, I think more people in Australia would have be woken up and not woke. I also know what the CIA have done. I was trained by the same man (who is Aussie) that taught Mel Gibson and traveled to America to teach him. So yes, Mel Gibson is in fact also a Hypnotist and we were taught the strongest method from Anthon Mesmer, his techniques are still used in Germany to get rid of varicose veins. They don&#8217;t give you pain medication nor local anesthetic, they use rapid inductions to destabilise the pain immediately and within a few seconds make a few slits and rip out the varicose vein, apparently it&#8217;s painless. I have recently found you can heal varicose veins naturally with wild foods.  Anyway the reason I mention hypnosis is because CIA hypnotised a guy after many days and convinced him to kill himself by walking out a high story window, don&#8217;t remember if it was 2nd or 3rd level building. All those shooters are heavily hypnotised, CIA also know mesmerism but they&#8217;re not as good as us here in Western Australia, the most amount of mesmerists in the world, let alone hypnotists. What they teach you in uni alongside Psychology is a watered down version of hypnosis there are no rapid inductions. It&#8217;s the Ericksonian technique developed by an American, only useful once a person is actually in hypnosis because it&#8217;s using visual imagery to clear out old patterns, your brain responds well with visual imagery.   Fucking Wong. She&#8217;s probably a clone made in China then sent to be a handler to the government leader. I wonder when she&#8217;ll start falling apart.</p>
<p>corella64<br />
1 week ago<br />
Rumble censorship blocks personal views<br />
 on these issues.<br />
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<p>corella64<br />
1 week ago<br />
One indian is too many indians in Australia.<br />
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<p>BBrand89<br />
1 week ago<br />
Bikes grape kids</p>
<p>corella64<br />
1 week ago<br />
Globalism, mass immigration and multiculturalism is -anti-white- majority. The enemy from within and without. Bad DNA admixed with northern european DNA for future generations is deranged, corrupt, debased, degenerate etc. Defend you DNA stock, quality over quantity!</p>
<p>corella64<br />
1 week ago<br />
Both semitic tribes, jewish and islamic and their extended religious nationalities at war with white european majority nations, and winning at Bondi.</p>
<p>TVR_<br />
1 week ago<br />
Hail Thomas Sewell</p>
<p>scootera<br />
1 week ago<br />
Great Conversation</p>
<p>katana17<br />
1 week ago<br />
[Red Ice TV &#8211; Bondi Beach Shooting &#038; White Australia with Thomas Sewell &#8211; Dec 17, 2025 &#8211; Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/12/18/red-ice-tv-bondi-beach-shooting-white-australia-with-thomas-sewell-dec-17-2025-transcript/  [In this live stream video Thomas Sewell from White Australia joins Henrik to talk about the effort to take back Australia, the Bondi Beach shooting and the political aspirations of White Australia party.  Points discussed include:  The shooting occurred during a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi Beach on December 14th [2025]. The attackers were a father and son duo, one of whom was born in Australia to an Indian father and Italian mother. The son had converted to Islam and received religious training; he was also linked to ISIS. The attackers allegedly targeted jews specifically, though many others were injured. “We’re surprised it doesn’t happen more often,” said Sewell, referencing Muslim rhetoric in Australia. Sewell says Muslims in gyms and job sites often express extreme anti-Jewish views. He criticises conspiracy theories suggesting the attack was staged or fake. “Sometimes Muslims just kill people,” dismissing Mossad-related theories. He says the jewish event was not random—it was advertised and attended by prominent Zionists. Arsen Ostrovsky, an Israeli human rights lawyer, was present at the event. Sewell notes Ostrovsky arrived in Australia weeks earlier to “fight anti-semitism.” The father was killed during the attack; the son was recently brought out of a coma. Some Aussies tried to intervene and were mistakenly targeted by police. Sewell contrasts police response to White nationalists vs. Muslim terrorists. “If you’re a White nationalist, they pull the gun out on you immediately.” Female police officers on the scene were ineffective and had “mental breakdowns.” Sewell describes the police as cowardly and unprepared for real violence. He criticises the Australian government for focusing on “Nazis” instead of real threat. And more, &#8230;<br />
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Spectroscopy_<br />
1 week ago<br />
anyone know what happend to stormfront?</p>
<p>JWMickleMusic<br />
VerifiedSupporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
another fantastic interview. Hail Victory! \\\</p>
<p>Henry000<br />
1 week ago<br />
Excellent interview. All Australian Whites should vote for his party. They have nothing left to lose.<br />
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<p>J0hnConn0r<br />
1 week ago<br />
Shadow banning comments fucking pathetic<br />
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<p>palacepony<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
The islanders brought over to Queensland in the old days for the sugar cutting were the Kanakas.</p>
<p>Winstein_Synagoguehill<br />
1 week ago<br />
Eric Striker is such a brain dead shut in. Every serious Nationalist considers him a fool.<br />
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<p>Anglojim4<br />
1 week ago<br />
This is not a criticism. It was a great discussion and Thomas Sewell is a highly intelligent leader with some great policies. But perhaps he could curb using lots of swear words. I understand it’s the way blokes talk. But Mr Sewell is the leader of a party, which has great potential in Australia, and could attract votes from a wide range of men and women from different age groups</p>
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PansophicGothi<br />
4 days ago<br />
Typically I agree with you (re: Joe Rogan etc), but it does seem to be that&#8217;s just how normal people in Australia talk, different culture. You might as well try to get them to stop using the ridiculous accent.</p>
<p>whitehonkymonkey<br />
3 days ago<br />
i expect tom will be more tactful when he&#8217;s dealing with politicians and the like.   yes he could be more statesman like , however we are lucky to have him.</p>
<p>Seppl88<br />
1 week ago<br />
Jews and Fags are at the centre of all evil. Himmler understood the Fag problem.<br />
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<p>katana17<br />
just now<br />
[Heinrich Himmler &#8211; Speech about Homosexuality to the SS Group Leaders &#8211; Feb 18, 1937 &#8211; Transcript] https://katana17.com/2014/10/30/heinrich-himmler-on-homosexuality/</p>
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nemo74<br />
1 week ago<br />
Nobody gives a fuck about what you don’t like. If people have theories, people have theories fucking deal with it dummy. Typical Australian. Wanna stifle freedom of speech. Guess you shouldn’t have given up your guns. Eh mate?</p>
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RealPolitiko<br />
1 week ago<br />
Go suck off some muslims u retard</p>
<p>whitehonkymonkey<br />
3 days ago<br />
up the meds laddie, sounds like you need it.</p>
<p>kingogondo1<br />
Verified<br />
1 week ago<br />
Fantastic show. Every minute.</p>
<p>BattleAxe77<br />
1 week ago<br />
Yet its the Jews who love Cultural Marxism and mass migration. As long as they can have their Jewish state Israel<br />
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<p>SkoobyDew<br />
1 week ago<br />
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<p>WheresMySpaceship<br />
1 week ago<br />
While those men should never have been in your country. You don&#8217;t hate them enough! If only anti-white zionists and jews died&#8230; (you know the people who all stick together but try to destroy you if you do, want you dead, humiliated, broke, powerless, and to genocide anyone non-jewish) Uh&#8230; Nothing of value was lost. The only issue is any government crack down.  Disagree? (Check my logic versus yours. Understand I&#8217;m not the one with the mental illness&#8230; You are!)</p>
<p>Garbear78<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
white power!!<br />
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<p>Brandonkane<br />
Verified<br />
1 week ago<br />
Holy Crap you’re on Rumble? This is amazing. I haven’t been able to find you guys in so long<br />
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<p>Tmizzle89<br />
1 week ago<br />
HAIL THOMAS SEWELL <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/26a1.png" alt="⚡" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/26a1.png" alt="⚡" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
<p>BurningCross<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
we can have guns. Just nothing practical for self defense and you have to beg the police and get formal training and get licensed and then the cops can raid your house whenever they want. cope more ozzies</p>
<p>boicotinho2<br />
1 week ago<br />
Not super convinced about their arguments from 21:00 onwards. I find it too much of a cohencidence that this propaganda lawyer was also an october 7 survivor<br />
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RealPolitiko<br />
1 week ago<br />
You&#8217;re most likely brown since you&#8217;re one of those retards who always say muslims can never do nothing wrong, it&#8217;s always someone else&#8217;s fault. Like Thomas said: jews and muslims both need to get out of our White countries.<br />
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
He&#8217;s not the first one to say it though.<br />
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<p>J_Cheever_Loophole<br />
1 week ago<br />
Don&#8217;t forget, tiny Rhodesia was fighting, and winning, against both Chinese backed communist terrorists, and USSR backed communist terrorists&#8230;.what made them lose the war and hand the country back to the blacks was American embargoes and the US bullying the UK into cutting them off too, just as they did with Cuba and more recently Venezuela, as my Great Aunt who lived there said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t win a war without bombs and bullets&#8221;  And just a few years later, the US bullied the rest of the world into supporting embargoes against South Africa and the exact same thing happened&#8230;forced to had over control to the blacks and to watch as their country was utterly destroyed&#8230;.and many forget, South Africa was a nuclear power until then too&#8230;  So it is the US you need to watch, especially their money lenders!. They knew they had to destroy those countries or else white men would flee there from Europe and the US&#8230; Now there is no white homeland, none at all&#8230;.but if there is one positive note it is that a tiny military, well trained and well motivated.can win against incredible odds&#8230;just beware the USA&#8230;</p>
<p>Mogus1488<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
Good stream but I did want to correct that the isis flag is banned still in Australia<br />
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<p>BradC1988<br />
1 week ago<br />
Hail Thomas Sewell, Hail NSN, Hail Victory!! o///<br />
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<p>nicestgoy<br />
1 week ago<br />
sign up whiteaus<br />
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<p>GreenGladeAryan<br />
1 week ago<br />
Hall the Leader o/<br />
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<p>palacepony<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
Chris Minns is insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKMbdLd-jwg&#038;t=584s</p>
<p>Fawkes2<br />
1 week ago<br />
DEPORT ALL SEMITES<br />
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Excuse you, you mean deport all jews.<br />
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<p>MonThirteen<br />
1 week ago<br />
Thank you so much Henrik, you’re an awesome interviewer. You let Thomas cook. His last interview on jake shields was almost unwatchable. Dan constantly butting in, trying to steer topics to what he wanted. This interview was a breath of fresh air. When you have a genius on its best to listen and not ask stupid questions. Hail o/ FREE JOEL DAVIS.<br />
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boicotinho2<br />
1 week ago<br />
Both inteviews was good. IMO the one with Shields and Belzerian wad even better than this one</p>
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MonThirteen<br />
1 week ago<br />
Belzerian is like a newbie in comparison to Thomas. He kept interrupting and steering the conversation to his limited knowledge. When you have Thomas on a show, it’s time to shut up and learn.</p>
<p>renunciate<br />
Supporter+<br />
1 week ago<br />
You’re still “fit &#038; proper” Mr Sewel.<br />
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<p>BroadcastAdvisor<br />
1 week ago<br />
Lot a talk. No solutions. What&#8217;s the SOLUTION for AMERICA? Keep waiting to hear something &#8230;  The Titanic isn&#8217;t going to fix itself.   We need a new Republic and in the new Republic we&#8217;d need ( among many things ), a 4th branch of gov&#8217;t. 2 citizens PER official &#8211; their only job being watch them for any signs of treason. Pay = $100k + a year. Their reports go to a CIA ( Citizens Intelligence Agency ), for a deeper look. IF treason&#8217;s found they get a military tribunal.  This, in our enlarged all white CSA II.  There ya go. A great topic for an upcoming show.<br />
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<p>yogafiretate<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
The commonwealth bank market cap is 250b not 1.3t bro is retarded</p>
<p>Goat_Moag<br />
1 week ago<br />
Speaking of banners. No foreign loyalties amendment. &#8220;No person holding foreign loyalties, foreign passports, or oaths to foreign actors, shall hold political office or government position, or other positions of trust.&#8221; Rough draft of course. Something of such importance certainly needs consideration, though the rough draft seems pretty good. The journey being more important than the destination (as far as getting an amendment passed, not that that would be a bad thing). The journey being to build a movement / coalition, and a banner to get behind.<br />
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<p>Bentley2177<br />
1 week ago<br />
Absolutely everything Tom speaks on is 100% correct!<br />
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<p>Bigboy6669<br />
1 week ago<br />
hail<br />
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<p>Knights_Messiah<br />
1 week ago<br />
54:36 Propaganda!! How about our governments boot all the non natives out<br />
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<p>Knights_Messiah<br />
1 week ago<br />
52:32 It&#8217;s disgusting. How dare the globalists fuck up the West like this<br />
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<p>Knights_Messiah<br />
1 week ago<br />
100 years on the native whites are slowly waking up and will no longer be bludgeoned by the Holocaust and carrying Hitlers efforts<br />
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whitehonkymonkey<br />
3 days ago<br />
correct i was bludgeoned for over 60 years of allie propaganda,however thanks to people like david irving i have seen the way forward.   go the NSN</p>
<p>Knights_Messiah<br />
1 week ago<br />
29:41 This is ridiculous!! Why is the West Infiltrated with non natives!! Whites only in power!!</p>
<p>Knights_Messiah<br />
1 week ago<br />
27:20 Virtue signaling about Anti-semetism. I and I am sure the native white Australians dont care about Anti-semetism!!! I care about white genocide and replacement<br />
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<p>AdamUnsalted<br />
1 week ago<br />
The more Whites notice bad Jewish behavior, the more the Jews open the gates for brown immigration.<br />
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<p>DJTriumph<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
great show keep up the good fight, stay positive <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44d.png" alt="👍" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><br />
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<p>Megawatts80<br />
VerifiedSupporter+<br />
1 week ago<br />
the best thing about Tom is that not only is he highly intelligent, but he&#8217;s also the leader of White Australia because he&#8217;s the strongest, and there&#8217;s some very strong members of his org, and he is still the strongest. a true icon.<br />
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PansophicGothi<br />
4 days ago<br />
So NSN functions like Orks ? <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f602.png" alt="😂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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whitehonkymonkey<br />
3 days ago<br />
the establishment must be looking in and thinking how they can eliminate tom from the system as he&#8217;s gone and done a lot of study,which makes him dangerous to the system . i hope the NSN have plenty more like him as back up  used to find tom too radical, however the system has gone so radical the other way,that national socialism is the only position left to us.  keep up the good work tom your a credit to the whiteman.</p>
<p>Seppl88<br />
1 week ago<br />
I am in Sydney; Bondi is 20 km away. It is a Jewish Ghetto; they like to ghettoize themselves. The media and government are frantic but only in pushing the line that &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; is to blame and we need more gun control. Not citing the obvious that multi-culturalism is violent, also these Indian shooters had legal guns. They want to bring in even harsher hate speech laws to curb the White Nationalists&#8217; criticism of Jewish power. This was about payback for Gaza and nothing else. It is unfortunate that this achieved nothing, it has created more sympathy for Jews and has not hurt ZOG, only will punish white interests. Resist the tyranny, Tom is the man with a plan!<br />
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Make Bondi jew free again!<br />
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<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
They can&#8217;t call themselves semites, they don&#8217;t have the blood type, proven by the shroud and Dr Serafini the Italian Cardiologist.</p>
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mcdawggg<br />
1 week ago<br />
No one cares. Just get all the foreigners out of our country.<br />
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<p>Globalist_Juice<br />
1 week ago<br />
Always good to hear from Tom, thank you Henrik.<br />
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<p>beautifulphallus<br />
1 week ago<br />
Harold Holt was Prime Minister in the late 1960s</p>
<p>CoomernistFaggot<br />
1 week ago<br />
White is right.<br />
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<p>Knights_Messiah<br />
1 week ago<br />
Tighten gun laws.. Seems almost like Islam did the attack with this consequence in mind. Screw over the white natives even more<br />
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AdamUnsalted<br />
1 week ago<br />
Islam is the broom of israel.<br />
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<p>Callisterz<br />
1 week ago<br />
Keep pushing your limits!<br />
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<p>Malthus<br />
1 week ago<br />
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2623.png" alt="☣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4a9.png" alt="💩" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2721.png" alt="✡" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4a9.png" alt="💩" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2623.png" alt="☣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> BONDI BEACH JEWISH MOSSAD BS EXPOSED! https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ok14qM0D4Qpz<br />
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DJTriumph<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
Bitchute is banned in the UK<br />
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Malthus<br />
1 week ago<br />
ProtonVPN<br />
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<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Use Tor Browser? It&#8217;s pretty much just a VPN but free.</p>
<p>Downunderdickhead<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
Good on ya Tom! Only bloke who can pull the country out of this mess! AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE<br />
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liebedich<br />
Supporter<br />
1 week ago<br />
Oi! Oi! Oi!<br />
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<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Excuse you, I&#8217;m doing a pretty good job too, you all wouldn&#8217;t be here without me!</p>
<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Besides the fact that you choose a jew, a muslim, a serpent, a grey alien, pick a time and date and weapon of choice was my idea from about 4 years ago. That wasn&#8217;t any of the neo nazi&#8217;s ideas so if they don&#8217;t also credit me they&#8217;re in trouble!</p>
<p>HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala<br />
1 week ago<br />
Also you wouldn&#8217;t know that cia as in the satanists as in the jews have access to our timelines, if it wasn&#8217;t for me speaking out about it you&#8217;d all still be wasting your time in arrears you can&#8217;t make a dent in because the serpents with the jews will just amend the timeline and outcome back to the way they want it, they can&#8217;t do everything though. Through these timelines I&#8217;ve watched an American brotherhood kill the jews in America and it got reverted, I also saw other attacks and that also got reverted which Is why I said in the first place that it needs to be a worldwide thing at the same time and then we have to factor in the time travelers and their armies, because they&#8217;ll be at us too because having control of the future is a very powerful thing.  If I wasn&#8217;t speaking out and made it by cleansing in this time loop and a seer from God none of you would know when to attack or where, and certainly not know when.  If you want your enemy not to know your next move, you&#8217;ve got to cleanse with wild blueberries, why do you think I&#8217;m so onto that at the moment hmmm? Go get all the powders from Vimergy. Even jew Harari told you the luciferinase is a weapon &#8220;surveillance under the skin&#8221; is what he said in an interview it&#8217;s still up on YT. No I don&#8217;t take drugs, nor drink nor smoke and I&#8217;ve been cleansing heavily for more than 5 years with wild foods and even before that with dry cleansing and water fasting from 6yo. I&#8217;ve also been screened by 4 professionals and I&#8217;m no way delusional, I don&#8217;t have bi polar nor any of those kinds of things, I&#8217;m not schizophrenic either although I have had the v2k attacks which falsely say it&#8217;s schizo when it&#8217;s a weapon. Amy Holem has already proven this with her inventions to pick up on the radio signals, the micro waves, that means yes the microwaves and longitudinal waves that are coming at us. Actually I&#8217;m not sure if she picks up on the longitudinal because they go passed all devices including your own bones, it&#8217;s the make-up of us.</p>
<p>BeornBeorning<br />
6 days ago<br />
Oi!<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><span class="Apple-style-span">[</span>Red Ice&#8217;s Henrik interviews Morgoth, of Morgoth&#8217;s Review, on the current &#8220;<em>astro-turf</em>&#8221; psyop operation called &#8220;<em>Extinction Rebellion</em>&#8220;, no doubt financed by Orgjew organizations, such as Soros, and others, that allows young people to &#8220;<em>rebel</em>&#8221; by prancing and dancing around in defense of a global tyranny.<strong><br />
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Extinction Rebellion, Our Future of Bugs &amp; Pods &#8211; Morgoth&#8217;s Review<br />
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<p style="text-align: center;">Morgoth&#8217;s Review joins Henrik to talk about the many issues facing the United Kingdom. We begin on the Extinction Rebellion, a new climate weapon the globalists use to get even more money, power and influence. We talk about the promotion of bug eating and pod living. In the second part we discuss demographics, Islamization of England, rise in knife crime, corporate support of milkshake activism and Brexit.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Well ladies and gentlemen welcome back thank you so much for joining us today Henrik here with Red Ice TV. Today with another great show for you lined up with Morgoth’s Review. He’s a gentleman that I’ve tried to get on the show for some time. Actually a really good video made by Aaron Kasparov back, maybe two years ago, maybe even more. I forget when it was. And it was an article written by Morgoth’s Review about — essentially to boil it down into the most simplest sense — Sargon’s promotion of individualism, versus the efficacy of collectivism, or how the collective can operate against the individual.</p>
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<p>We might have some time to talk about that later, but that’s kind of an argument that wasn’t that prominent at the time but it has since been. So maybe a little bit less urgent to discuss that, if you will. But anyway, Morgoth, great to have you with us today! How’s everything on your end?</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6487-Henrik-and-Morgoth-logo.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21922" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6487-Henrik-and-Morgoth-logo.jpg" alt="" width="964" height="579" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6487-Henrik-and-Morgoth-logo.jpg 964w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6487-Henrik-and-Morgoth-logo-600x360.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6487-Henrik-and-Morgoth-logo-768x461.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 964px) 100vw, 964px" /></a></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> I’m doing very well thanks. Thanks for having me on. It’s nice to finally appear on Red Ice, because I was a little bit, just used to blogging in the past and not doing audio and things. But I’m a lot more comfortable with it now</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Nice. Yeah, of course, you do, you have a in addition to your blog, you do have a YouTube channel now. You do YouTube videos.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21923" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg" alt="" width="847" height="546" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg 847w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review-600x387.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review-768x495.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 847px) 100vw, 847px" /></a></p>
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<p>How regularly? Like one every week, every other week? What would you say.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> About two a week. It depends on unlike real life work and stuff</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> But I go for trying, even when I was just doing the blog, I would always try and get something substantial out for the weekend. And the reason why I started doing YouTube videos was because it was easier to turn on a mic and sort of talk for a little bit, than blogging.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6489-Morgoths-Review-YouTube.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21924" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6489-Morgoths-Review-YouTube.jpg" alt="" width="851" height="558" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6489-Morgoths-Review-YouTube.jpg 851w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6489-Morgoths-Review-YouTube-600x393.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6489-Morgoths-Review-YouTube-768x504.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 851px) 100vw, 851px" /></a></strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Like writing was actually hard work when you added it, and on top of doing a normal job, actually writing a 1,000 word article twice a week, was quite a lot. And I thought on YouTube I can just kind of speak it. And it was after I went on Millennial Woes I had some more confidence and decided to do it more. Because I first always worried nobody would be able to understand what I was saying, because I’ve got a thick North East accent, but it doesn’t seem to matter.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> You’re coming in loud and clear? <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[laughter]</strong></span> we can hear just fine. Now it’s great to have you here, and thank you for doing what you’re doing as well. Some of your videos are magnificent, really good! We’re just talking before we got on here, watching, not you’re absolutely latest one, but the one before that about the “<em>Extinction Rebellion</em>”. And that is something want to talk about as well. But we’re talking about your intro a little bit, which is hilarious! About the theme music which finally, &#8230; I called it the first time I heard it was like:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“<em>Oh it’s from Superman.</em>”</p></blockquote>
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<p>But then I Googled it and I couldn’t find it. But it let’s look at this folks, because I think you’ll enjoy it as well. Here it is here. I’ll turn up the volume a little bit here as well so people can hear that. There we go! Look at this</p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6545-Cess-Pit-Hate-Reading-the-Guardian.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21928" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6545-Cess-Pit-Hate-Reading-the-Guardian.jpg" alt="" width="671" height="894" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6545-Cess-Pit-Hate-Reading-the-Guardian.jpg 671w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6545-Cess-Pit-Hate-Reading-the-Guardian-600x799.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 671px) 100vw, 671px" /></a></strong></span></p>
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<p>Nice! Alright! <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[laughter]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> The whole thing with “<em>Hate Reading the Guardian</em>” was — especially when I was doing the blog — I became kind of used to covering some very, very, heavy (((subjects))) which we can’t really talk about on YouTube now. And it was nice to go from that, to sort of deliberately going for ridiculously low hanging fruit and just rolling with it and having some fun with it. Because you can get bogged down in the really serious stuff. And so I try for like once a month, or something, to look at just the most ridiculous article I can find at the Guardian and then just tear to bits and have a big laugh at it! Because that’s what it deserves. And I think it’s good for morale, as well.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21926" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="452" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee.jpg 900w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee-600x301.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee-768x386.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /></a></strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Exactly I mean, that’s what it is. Ridicule is a very effective weapon in our arsenal. It’s certainly used by our enemies as well against the things that they don’t like. And it’s now there’s such easy targets, as you say, — it’s amazing that there aren’t more well, you know what? Movies, TV shows? And I mean, it’s even that some of their own are starting to eat each other over the ridiculousness! But it’s a it’s, as you say, it’s a fruit ripe for picking. But anyway, so this is a lot of fun, what you do going into the Guardian and looking at some of their articles, making fun of it and breaking it down. How long have you been doing the blog, though, before we talk about that, before we go into actually stuff about the &#8220;<em>Extinction Rebellion</em>&#8220;?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21923" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg" alt="" width="847" height="546" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg 847w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review-600x387.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review-768x495.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 847px) 100vw, 847px" /></a></strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> I started the blog in 20, it was Christmas of 2014 going into 2015. And the reason why I got stuck with <strong>[the name]</strong> “<em>Morgoth’s Review</em>” was, because I would go on The Daily Telegraph in the comment section and at Brietbart, and I was always, you know, trolling and trying to red pill people under the main articles. But I kept getting banned! And when I would go back I would have a different Tolkien-esque name.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then, I finally got just tired of being banned and I happened to be on the one called “<em>Morgoth</em>” when I opened up the blog. I thought I want to have a place where I can’t be banned anymore. And I’m learning all of this stuff and I want to just write it on my own blog where I can’t be banned, rather than just sort of fritter it away on all of these comments which just keep disappearing, because they’re being deleted all of the time. And so eventually that’s how it ended up being “<em>Morgoth’s Review</em>”.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Is that how you, sorry to interrupt, is that how you got the very thoughtful URL of nwioqeqkdw dot com as well? <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[laughter]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Because I didn’t know what I was doing! With technology, and I tried writing it in and it wouldn’t accept it. And I ended up just mashing me hand into the keyboard! And then that one it did accept! So that’s how great things are born!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> People should feel fine about searching for Morgoth’s Review, it’s actually the top three results, I was surprised, I’m encouraged by that! That’s great! Google actually spat out your blog, your YouTube channel, and your Twitter account on that</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah, well it’s not a title that triggers the algorithms really. And to be fair, I’ve always had a very heavy focus on sort of pop culture and movies, and what’s going on in the here and the now, as well.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yes</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> So I’ve tended to fly under the radar quite a lot.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6496-Morgoths-Twitter.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21927" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6496-Morgoths-Twitter.jpg" alt="" width="675" height="542" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6496-Morgoths-Twitter.jpg 675w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6496-Morgoths-Twitter-600x482.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 675px) 100vw, 675px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> All right. Well why don’t we talk a little bit about “<em>Extinction Rebellion</em>”? Obviously you’re in the UK, so that we could talk about some of the things going on over there. I mean, there’s so many things to discuss about, from demographics, to crime, to Islamification, to all these kinds of things.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But one of the bigger movements right now is — well in addition to I guess the Brexit issue that’s happening and we’ll hopefully we can squeeze that into here a bit later — but the “<em>Extinction Rebellion</em>”, the climate craze is just out of control in a lot of Western European countries right now.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The states included unfortunately, you know, this Swedish young girl Greta Thunberg is kind of heading, is really becoming the face of that. I did a video on that too that was going down fairly well. But what can you say about the “<em>Extinction Rebellion</em>” and is it is that something that came out of Britain? I think I’ve seen the most of that particular movement out of the UK, if I’m not mistaken</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah, well the social media and stuff, they talk about having like what, I don’t know what you’d call them, “<em>cells</em>”, or something, but across 60 countries. But it definitely seems to be centered around London. That’s where the hub is. Which is interesting, because London is like the historical city of the (((money power))) and globalism, and whatnot.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6546-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Green.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21929" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6546-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Green.jpg" alt="" width="680" height="888" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6546-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Green.jpg 680w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6546-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Green-600x784.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 680px) 100vw, 680px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And this is where they’ve chosen to be most prominent. I believe today, or yesterday they’ve shut off an airport. And one of the main airports for London’s being shut down, because of them. And yeah as you see on the screen there, they wear all of this freakish garb and terrify everybody.</span></p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6500-Green-Man.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21932" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6500-Green-Man.jpg" alt="" width="650" height="936" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6500-Green-Man.jpg 650w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6500-Green-Man-600x864.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But they have largely been mocked, because they don’t look like a grassroots movement. A grassroot movement doesn’t look like that. A grassroots movement has a couple of signs with some with some cheap paint on them. And this looks very professional and also very middle-class by the way.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Very, very middle-class! And it’s a bit ridiculous to be honest. Imhr but that I think I mean, I got into it on me me “<em>Guardian Hate Read</em>”. They’re pushing on an open door, because what they’re saying to the elites, is you have to have more power and more control to save the planet. They have arrested quite a few of them. But by and large, it’s seems a bit fake. I mean, last week they had a fire engine which spray-painted this red dye all over, &#8230;</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah, I saw that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> &#8230; The Exchequer, or something. And then they have obviously never done real work before, because they didn’t understand how to <strong>[10:00]</strong> handle a high-pressure hose! And it spun out of their hands and went everywhere. But there was like a Channel for News team was on hand to record it all. And you have to ask:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Well where did you get a fire engine and why did the security services allow you to park it outside of such like one of the most prominent buildings in London?</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Where they wander into the very seat of power in Britain! And Mark Collett said on his show last night, that if it was a nationalist group, or some dissident right-wing group who did that, they’d be called terrorists, and absolutely destroyed by the security forces! And yet in the case of “<em>Extinction Rebellion</em>” the police danced along with them! They actually danced along with it, and get on board! It’s very strange</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> I’m looking for the tweet. There’s one gal on Twitter I think she goes by, yeah “<em>The European Housewife</em>”. Oh there it is. Let me pull that up there to you. Because she had that on her tweet as well. She said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>My husband is a fireman, and it’s impossible to steal a fire engine. The keys are locked up and have GPS trackers. They know exactly where it is at all times. It’s hard to start up and drive one. Takes special training and we have security. Something is off here.</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6516-The-European-Housewife-tweet.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21934" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6516-The-European-Housewife-tweet.jpg" alt="" width="553" height="710" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>In other words, kind of implying that someone on the inside was more than willing to help out in this little stunt.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6517-Fire-truck-red-dye.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21935" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6517-Fire-truck-red-dye.jpg" alt="" width="843" height="566" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6517-Fire-truck-red-dye.jpg 843w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6517-Fire-truck-red-dye-600x403.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6517-Fire-truck-red-dye-768x516.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 843px) 100vw, 843px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah. It makes you wonder.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah. Which kind of goes to the heart of what you’re talking about here. That this is essentially a globalist run promotion, a campaign essentially, to get people to, yes, essentially if we just dive down into the essentials of this. Give up power that’s what they were arguing in The Guardian article too, that you go through, right. We have to have more control! You don’t know what’s best for you, because we’re all gonna die in — I don’t know, what they pick up on this green New Deal story about 12 years I guess as well. We’re all gonna die in 12 years, therefore give us all the control, give us all the money, and we’ll take care of you! We’ll keep you safe! Right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah. Well they are demanding that the elite take that power and then do it. And so in The Guardian article that I went through, Polly Toynbee was actually saying they should ban beef.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21926" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="452" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee.jpg 900w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee-600x301.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6494-The-Guardian-Polly-Toynbee-768x386.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And you end up in a situation where we are all going to be put in pods, and we’re all going to have maggot sausages in Mega City One! And Extinction Rebellion is demanding that the global elite actually do that! Now the way to look at this I think, is if you remove that Extinction Rebellion from the equation, and then this is what the global elite want to have happen anyway. It’s all about just making you a unit of consumption and production, living in your pods and eating maggots, maggot burgers.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6518-Maggot-sausages.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21936" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6518-Maggot-sausages.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="627" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6518-Maggot-sausages.jpg 900w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6518-Maggot-sausages-600x418.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6518-Maggot-sausages-768x535.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then if they were to just come straight out with that, then everybody’s gonna riot in the streets and say this is ridiculous! You know, if the <strong>[word unclear]</strong> at the European Union, or the head of the IMF for the United Nations, if they said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Okay here’s the plan. We are going to ship you all of these megacities and put you in these little pod complexes, and we’re going to put chips in your arms, and have a cashless society. And you just have to work and consume until you die.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Then everybody would reject the program outright. What Extinction Rebellion does, is add a sort of moral framework to that. So then it becomes the “<em>moral thing</em>” to do. They want to get from A to C, but you have to bring in B, which then adds the moral part of the equation. Because then they can see:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Oh! We’ve got no choice! We have to do this to save the planet!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And it becomes much easier when you have a controlled opposition, like Extinction Rebellion.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6519-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Red.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21937" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6519-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Red.jpg" alt="" width="950" height="629" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6519-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Red.jpg 950w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6519-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Red-600x397.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6519-Extinction-Rebellion-in-Red-768x508.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 950px) 100vw, 950px" /></a></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yes, exactly! But this is what they do, they create movements which you which they, you know, kind of pose as grassroots, or this comes from the people, or whatever. But it’s to say they’re very advanced in terms of the marketing of this, the logos, the flags and everything. And I honed in a little bit on their symbolism as well, which is the hourglass. I think they even release a free paper, by the way, that you can get it. I would assume it’s in the UK called the “<em>Hourglass</em>” which is interesting enough. This theme of:</p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“<em>We’re running out of time! There is no more time! We have to act now! Don’t think!</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>There are no rational thinking about this:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>We’re all gonna die!</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s a scare tactic essentially to gain as much power in as quick time as possible. <strong>[15:00]</strong></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> And this also has an effect on children</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Oh yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> I don’t know if it was in Britain, or not, but there was a young boy actually committed suicide, because — I think it may have been in Britain — he had sort of been saturated in this apocalypse. This idea that the ice is going to melt, the sun’s gonna burn the planet up, we’re all going to die in 12 years! And a lot of children are being completely traumatized by it. And one one young boy committed suicide, because of it — if I’m reading it rightly. And, of course, the more minor part of that would be where the children will then put extra pressure on the parents to support the agenda.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6520-12-years-Make-that-18-months.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21940" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6520-12-years-Make-that-18-months.jpg" alt="" width="533" height="757" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah. There’s BBC climate change:</p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“<em>Twelve years to save the planet? Make that 18 months.</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Lol that was released in July 2019. So they’re certainly not doing anything to mitigate this traumatization of the kids. But the reason why this is so effective as well is, because of “<em>guilt</em>”, right? That’s why they wheel children at the front of this thing. They’re hiding behind the kids, so that they can cry, and scream, and be traumatized by it:</p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“<em>Mommy! Daddy!</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Or whoever they’re calling on saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Do something! Why are you not doing anything?</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it guilts the adults into thinking:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Well, what do we do? What’s the option?</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then you have the Extinction Rebellion groups out there saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Well just give the elites all the power and things will be great!</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> I mean, the BBC article, it’s interesting when they released that, because we were having like the summer heat wave at the time. So everybody was walking around in their shorts and the T-shirts with a bottle of water. Everybody was hot and getting sunburned. And then somebody’s decided now was a good time to role this out, this idea that this is going to be the norm. This is a psychological thing where:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Yeah just look at it now. This is what it’s gonna be like on Christmas Day! And you’ve only got <strong>[words unclear]</strong></em></span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Oh God, it’s pathetic!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> There was one picture of a man and he was in London, like part of the Extinction Rebellion, and he had a photograph of his two children, and he laid down in the street crying holding the picture of his two children. As if they had both just been killed in some awful accident!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6521-12-years-UN-warns.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21941" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6521-12-years-UN-warns.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="712" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6521-12-years-UN-warns.jpg 800w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6521-12-years-UN-warns-600x534.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6521-12-years-UN-warns-768x684.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so a reporter went over and said they’re like:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>What are you doing? What the hell is this?</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then he just turned around and said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Oh, I’m here with a protest. It’s okay. It’s all fine.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so [the reporter] said:</span></p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>What is it.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And he said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Watch, I’ll show you.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then he put his head back down looked at the photo again and started crying! It was all just a theater! Just, it’s ridiculous!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah! It’s a show. And, of course, many of these stunts that Extinction Rebellion do on the streets in the UK, is to do “<em>Die-ins</em>”, right? They lay down and die! They have coffins with them, and all this kind of stuff</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> It’s like a death cult, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah you can see it even in the clothes that they wear. It is like a death cult. This is the end of the world. And, of course, I mean, this isn’t this isn’t new.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> No.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> They’re doing it again but for political ends</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah exactly. I think it was Dave Vance on Twitter, he was posting a lot of the stuff here, in the last couple of days</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6547-Street-Dancing.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21942" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6547-Street-Dancing.jpg" alt="" width="661" height="871" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6547-Street-Dancing.jpg 661w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6547-Street-Dancing-600x791.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 661px) 100vw, 661px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>They’re doing like dancing to raves things, they’re doing weird things on the streets. And it’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>What are they doing? Who’s this for exactly?</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I think it was this. Let’s turn on the audio on this one. They’re like raving away and this, like <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[word unclear]</strong></span> and stuff like that here.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6548-street-dancing.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21943" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6548-street-dancing.jpg" alt="" width="701" height="379" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6548-street-dancing.jpg 701w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6548-street-dancing-600x324.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 701px) 100vw, 701px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>What the hell! <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[laughter]</strong></span> Oh all right, that seems to that seems to fix the climate right there Morgoth!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> I remember a meme of Oswald Spengler which just has his sort of miserable serious face, and he says:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>I don’t want to say that I told you so, but I told you so!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yup!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> <strong>[word unclear]</strong> kind of materializing through that craziness there. This is where civilizations go to die!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> That is absolutely correct. I mean, it is interesting in that way. I mean, they don’t, they haven’t picked the death theme, if you will, for the same reasons that we kind of identified them with that as well. But it does interlock in an interesting way, these different positions. That it’s like:</p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“<em>Yeah it’s the death of our civilization.</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>This is peak Western world right now, and he’s obsessed about death and we’re all gonna die. And it’s almost like an embracing of it — I mean, sure they come with this idea, we have to stop it in whatever, but it almost feels like there’s a kind of a “<em>sadistic embracement</em>” of it! You see what I’m getting at?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah, I definitely do. I mean, what’s interesting to think of, I mean, I talk about pop culture, because I think and we all know, you know, we all know (((who))) controls it. And well, that’s why it’s interesting to look at this. This dichotomy between is this just something in the zeitgeist, or is this people making decisions — in this case it would be Hollywood studios?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But what I do find interesting is that in the Cold War in the 1950s, 1960s, you had that like 10-minute warning and people genuinely thought that missiles could land and wipe out life on Earth. And that it could happen at any moment. And yet the culture itself would be quite optimistic. So you would you do the “<em>undercover</em>” where you had, again, school kids hiding under their desks, because the Russians might launch their nukes. And people had to live with all this, all of the time. But then they would go through that, and they would watch that there are deals over nuclear warheads, and always images of mushroom clouds wiping out the world. But then they’d go off and watch John Wayne and Mary Poppins have this cinema! <strong>[laughter]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It was all relatively, the culture itself was optimistic. Yet today that’s not the case. Today the culture is either this sterile bland pop music, or the Hollywood Machine, which is just relentlessly pessimistic! All of these superhero movies where cities and nations are being wiped out! All of them are like that, you know.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then we just look at the Joker movie everybody’s talking about. Everything’s rundown and grotty. And so the culture itself is full of doom and gloom in a way that it didn’t used to be.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> There isn’t really an optimistic side to it.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah, that’s right. And at the same time, you know, we do have, of course, a lot of material success and stuff. But then you realize it’s not about that either.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And in this case it’s about inventing a plight, right? There’s so many things that various groups do talk about and what should be the primary focus of the culture, like, let’s say demographics, or like low birth rates. These are the disastrous things! Or open borders, or that the globalists are trying to eradicate nations and individual cultures, definitely the West! But all around the world essentially.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And those things should be at the forefront of discussions we should have about how we’re losing control, we’re losing free speech, we can’t say anything anymore! No dissent is allowed. But then this comes along and kind of hijacks the attention of all these other things that’s happening, and this is at the forefront. It’s very bizarre!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6525-Taking-a-dump.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21944" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6525-Taking-a-dump.jpg" alt="" width="948" height="571" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6525-Taking-a-dump.jpg 948w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6525-Taking-a-dump-600x361.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6525-Taking-a-dump-768x463.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 948px) 100vw, 948px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> It’s bizarre, because there is actually a serious discussion to be had about the nature of this technological, globalist, materialistic, society. And, you know, you’ve got to go back to the early nineteen hundred’s to people like Heidegger and Spengler, who are now, of course, very unpopular thinkers. And then you had some others as well. But the general thing was to have people say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Oh wait a minute! Where is all of this going to lead? What effect is all of us having on the lived life of people?</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And they were never taken seriously, because there was too much money involved, and you end up where we are now. So the discussion we should have is one of:</span></p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Do we really want to live like this?</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Even with all of the technology that we have, nobody is saying we have to smash the whole machine to pieces, but at least sort of renegotiate how we actually live in it, you know what I mean?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah, because there are limits to growth. I mean, this is like the false dichotomy of the Left-Right, the Conservative-Liberal kind of thing that’s going on. Where the Conservatives are like, that’s ridiculous! Yeah economic growth, bringing them all in and convert them to, you know, the Westerners, right? And we’ll economically will do great, kind of thing. They’re trying to shut down our economy!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But it’s like, I’m sorry, but well I’m not sorry, but it’s not going to work forever. This is not gonna function! We are already at the precipice of this, you know, at the height of this population explosion. And at some point either we take charge of this and start to direct things and decide <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[25:01]</strong></span> where we go, or nature is going to do that for us, right? And at that point if we have a colony collapse, or some kind of disaster, or civil unrest, or something, it’ll be one of the biggest die-offs, I guess that we’ve ever seen in human history! That’s what awaiting us if we just continue on the path that we are on right now.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6526-kneeling-down.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21945" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6526-kneeling-down.jpg" alt="" width="949" height="567" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6526-kneeling-down.jpg 949w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6526-kneeling-down-600x358.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6526-kneeling-down-768x459.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 949px) 100vw, 949px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah. And this sort of hands of the zeitgeist, and it had sort of manifests itself in pop culture.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean, the last Godzilla movie fascinated me about what it was actually saying, in effect, it was where the old gods from the mother earth, Godzilla and then the other monsters as well, had come back to stamp out humans, which was like a virus infecting the planet and destroying nature. And so the old monsters had come back to protect the planet.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now it’s very interesting that all of this stuff is sort of in the general culture, it’s all in the backs of people’s minds. And I would say, why don’t we just stop for a moment and ask ourselves what this is all for? Well, what is its purpose? What is the purpose of the global economy? And the conservatives, as you say, will say it’s for goods and services. But are they really that important to have? Are they more important than the actual quality of life?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because it’s, again, it’s the early 20th century thinkers who are reactionaries and on the right — I think was Rene Gounon <strong>[sp]</strong> would talk about the quantification of the world, where everything became a quantity to be consumed and it overruled the actual quality of life.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so the idea of sitting in a pod eating a maggot burger is where that all leads! Because if you’ve got the best iPhone and the flat-screen TV, you’re a success, you’ve made it, and it’s all worth it for that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6527-British-Uni-forces-students.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21946" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6527-British-Uni-forces-students.jpg" alt="" width="612" height="565" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6527-British-Uni-forces-students.jpg 612w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6527-British-Uni-forces-students-600x554.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 612px) 100vw, 612px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Absolutely! I mean, look at the matrix, right? I mean, that’s really what awaits us if this continues, to work out those kinks that might follow. I mean, we do have a establishment that not only want to push us towards utilitarianism, because they want to incentivise essentially, having as many people around as possible, or something. Or for the sake of, let’s say demographically replace Westerners, or something like that, that’s why just cram em all in megacities and stuff like that!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But to deal with the potential fallout of some people being, if your biological entity might be unhappy, if you’re spending the majority of your life in a small pod. So the best way around that is just to jack you into a digital world, a virtual space, where you can run around! You can do whatever you want, you can be whoever you want, no restrictions, no limitations! It will be all clean and nice, if that’s what you want.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It could be a forever beach hut down in Bahamas, or something, right? And eventually we’ll be fed like a single-cell protein, or as you say, maggots, or something like that. I mean, that’s the future we’re looking at right now!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah. I mean, with the iPhone they’re already halfway there. Because it’s not as sophisticated as the matrix sort of jacking you in.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But I saw an interesting meme last week. Where it showed you all of these people on the London Underground, and one of the photos, they all had their iPhones and then they’ve done that again but they Photoshopped out the iPhones so they were just looking at their hands. And it was as if they were just staring, they were all atomized! Nobody was looking at anybody else, on one was talking to anybody else! And when you remove their phone they’re all just looking down into their hands. And it’s all just this emptiness internalized.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So they’re actually quite far with the Matrix scenario. It’s just it’s in the form of the iPhone that you walk around with, in which your eyes are glued to all the time, rather than having the plug going in the back of your head</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah. And all this will be very subtle. The steps will be very gradual in a sense that it won’t be a dramatic shift towards that. I mean, I think they’ll probably go towards like augmented reality initially first. You know, projections onto things, or something that interfaces with your neural, with your visuals, you know, your eyes essentially. Where you see certain things, there’s like overlays on reality, rights and eventually you start, well remove the unpleasant things, or whatever you don’t want to see, and it becomes a very selective little experience. It’s all ultimately let’s <span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[30:01]</strong></span> face it, it’s escape from reality, because we all know that right now reality sucks! And no one likes where this is going. Everyone sees that quality is going down the drain. Yeah go ahead</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6528-Morgoths-Fishing-logo.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21947" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6528-Morgoths-Fishing-logo.jpg" alt="" width="908" height="610" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6528-Morgoths-Fishing-logo.jpg 908w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6528-Morgoths-Fishing-logo-600x403.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6528-Morgoths-Fishing-logo-768x516.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 908px) 100vw, 908px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> It’s also interesting that what we’re talking about now which is solely the commodification of humanity, this is the kind of criticism Extinction Rebellion could be leveling at the elites, and at the system.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yes</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Well they’re not. They’re doing the opposite! They’re demanding that the system has more power, and more control, to save the world from an abstract problem. Whereas we, let’s say nationalists, or people on the dissident right, should be looking at this is that we’re interested in how this is affecting the people, more than the climate. How is the system, how is this machine actually dealing with people? And it’s dealing with us like the maggots!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I did a video on that called “<em>Deep Fried Human Nuggets</em>”, where essentially they’re breeding a new kind of person.</span></p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6529-Facebook-Zuggerberg.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21948" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6529-Facebook-Zuggerberg.jpg" alt="" width="719" height="449" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6529-Facebook-Zuggerberg.jpg 719w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6529-Facebook-Zuggerberg-600x375.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 719px) 100vw, 719px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And what you’ll end up with is where you’re just, because you can apply this to the way they have done it on chickens. There are mass chicken batteries, and the you get some chickens which are specially bred for the breast, and then others which are specially bred for the legs. And the one that’s bred for the breast can’t walk, because they’re not interested in the legs. And it just lies, it spends it’s life lying hooked up with a tube in its mouth which is feeding it. And it’s disgusting! You can see that optimal production would just be this ball of meat, with a mouth and an anus {laughing]. And think of like when humans are on <strong>[word unclear].</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah! I mean, yeah. What is it all for, right? Well, what’s the purpose of this thing? What is the experiences that we do want? And right now there’s no — well there are some people that do have direction and they know what they’re doing, they want to try to mold and shape the world in their image. They’re getting us there. This is, all this stuff that’s happening right now is a “<em>success story</em>” as far as they’re concerned, so far.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But there, of course, are ruminations of discontent underneath the surface, that’s bubbling up. And that’s why they’re so heavily trying to block, and censor, and shut people’s ability down to communicate these dangerous ideas that are poking holes and in this new global utopia that th<span style="color: #0000ff;">ey’re building for us.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> And I mean, especially when you tackle the machine in these ways it does bypass a lot of the alarm systems as well. Essentially, it’s arguing from the Left. This is the job that the Left have left open to people on the Right, to say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Well actually, we think living a genuine, quality, life is more important than having all of these consumer goods.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">There should be a left-wing, but they have left that out. They’re become obsessed with the power. And they have become sort of locked in the system and in the grid themselves. And so there’s a big opening for dissident, more traditional minded people on the right, nationalists, to say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Well, it’s not so much about hating other groups, it’s just that we want to have a genuine sense of being in community in our own country! And it’s gonna be outside of this sort of controlled grid of global capital and technology.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6530-Young-women-using-Iphones.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21949" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6530-Young-women-using-Iphones.jpg" alt="" width="684" height="526" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6530-Young-women-using-Iphones.jpg 684w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6530-Young-women-using-Iphones-600x461.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 684px) 100vw, 684px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah I absolutely, &#8230; This is a very obviously important and interesting philosophical discussion to have. And it’s the one that we need to have more often. And I do want to continue with this. There was just one thing I wanted to go back to before we lose kind of the Extinction Rebellion and some of the things that they’re promoting here. Because we’ve heard in recent years, it’s really the recent few months now, that this has picked up about how dangerous people who are pro-nationalism are. It’s a very intense pressure, if you will, from the mainstream media, and kind of the culture of overall.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6532-Change-or-diw.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21950" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6532-Change-or-diw.jpg" alt="" width="715" height="528" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6532-Change-or-diw.jpg 715w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6532-Change-or-diw-600x443.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 715px) 100vw, 715px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I heard something, one of the guys at the Extinction Rebellion was talking about, speaking about, violence and things like that. Let’s play this, and I’m gonna get your take on this, because we always hear, of course, that people who object this kind of stuff, are the dangerous violent ones. But listen to this here:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>We are going to force the governments to act! And if we don’t, if they don’t, we will bring them down and create a democracy fit for purpose! And yes! Some may die in the process. And yes! Some may die in the process.</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Imagine if a nationalist would have said that, Morgoth.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah, they’d be destroyed! <strong>[35:01]</strong> There’d be an armed police force and helicopters! You’d be gone, you’d be gone off the face of the earth in no time at all!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> It’s fascinating, it’s unbelievable!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean, for much, much less than saying something like that. I did a video, just somebody who called out the local labor councilors on issues relating to child grooming and sex trafficking, in town in the North called Sunland. And he went to jail for 21 months, because he stood in the middle of the town and had a big rant against who was responsible! And the carted him off to jail for 21 months!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And here you have like a well-spoken man, and very middle-class, and quite polished, talking about yeah, people will die. It’s unbelievable!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah, we’re gonna hold you off from the halls of power, and yeah, some people will have to die. But it’s fine, you know, because we gotta break some eggs in this wonderful omelet we’re making here! But of course, as you say, this is being allowed. This is being permitted, because this group is in the hands of the (((globalists))).</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>They are being used as a tool by them, because it’s effective to try to get people to, I guess to give the appearance that it’s some kind of grassroots support for us handing over power and influence into fewer and fewer hands.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Well, is there something else that you’ve been looking at, when it comes to like the Extinction Rebellion, of how they’re being used, or something like that, that’s worth to squeeze in here, in the first segment, before we take a break in a few minutes?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Just one thing I would touch on, is that by and large, as this sort of controlled opposition psychological operation, it’s been a bit of a failure. It has become a bit of a joke. But we’ve reached a stage, I mean we’re probably going to go into Brexit, where the elite don’t really care whether you believe it, or not. Because you’ve got no choice in the matter. So you can tweet, and you can make videos laughing at Extinction Rebellion, but they don’t care! They’re just gonna run with the narrative anyway, because there’s nothing you can do about it.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I mean, in the past it used to be much more sophisticated. Occupy Wall Street and these kinds of groups, that you can actually debate. I think that was actually legit, but got co-opted. But whatever the case may be, the people seem to take them more seriously. Whereas we’ve reached a stage now where the elite say:</span></p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">“<em>Yeah, okay, it looks ridiculous but, you know, we don’t care, because there’s nothing you can do about it!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah and it needs to be pointed out too, for maybe newcomers, newly red-pilled people — whatever you want to call it — but people are starting to question the lies and the garbage that is being shoved down our throats, that much of this, which the Extinction Rebellion bases their hysteria around, has been debunked.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, Climategate back in 2010. All this was centered around Britain at the time. East Anglia University was it, the Climate Research Unit, the CRU. A lot of the numbers that the IPCC gathered actually came from CRU. And this 1.5 degrees which is the latest report that the IPCC released, is the whole basis of this:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Oh my god we only have 12 years!</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Because if it’s an increase by 1.5 percent, it’s all gonna, you know, we’re all gonna die, we’re all gonna die in some major heat wave, or whatever, you know, some horrible fire! But much of the individual measurements that at CRU did was released in these leaked emails, that they had been placed in very shady places, like parking lots, had been placed in things about which were artificially warmed by human construction, denser areas. They have been fiddling with the numbers and stuff.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, this is 2010, I can’t remember all the details from it. But Tim Ball, a lot of other people that covered this extensively back then. And it should have been an issue which was like laid to rest. And it felt at the time, Morgoth, that some of these things did die. That Al Gore was at the forefront at that time, and a lot of him and his work, kind of felt like he was discredited. But now it’s brought back again, because people don’t have that long-term memory. They can’t even remember this, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah. I mean, according Al Gore, New York should be under war are now! Also, he’s just bought up a beachfront property in San Francisco last year, or something. A really sort of slick mansion on the beach! <strong>[laughter]</strong> And he, of all people, knows that well we should be underwater, but it didn’t happen.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But it is, yeah, it is something that they roll out. This time it’s kind of like Extinction Rebellion is for the age of social justice, rather than sort of tackling <strong>[40:01]</strong> the more thoughtful, sits there and considers the facts and the science. That didn’t work, so in the age of the social justice warrior, we will retell the same narrative and do it again for people, these emotionally distraught Millennials. And you can see that exactly what they’ve done.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah. There’s so many things on a psychological level which are clever and weaved into this, because people do need a purpose, they need to feel good about something that they’re doing, and stuff. And so these groups, and these kinds of stunts, or whatever you want to call it, pop up on a regular basis really, to kind of allow people to flood, and put their discontent into that, their attention, their focus.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And again, yes there is a very real and important aspect of environmentalism weaved into that, but as you said, before, eloquently it’s a deflection, actually, away from the real kind of issues. And what’s happening with all the chemicals, and even human medication being dumped in the water supply. And, you know, things that are altering us, that are leading to other weird weird side effects. None of that is being discussed. It’s essentially just pay more money and hand over power, that’s all that it is now, at this point!</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6534-Police-caught-dancing.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21952" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6534-Police-caught-dancing.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="269" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6534-Police-caught-dancing.jpg 900w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6534-Police-caught-dancing-600x179.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6534-Police-caught-dancing-768x230.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px" /></a></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> The male suicide epidemic across the West, is another symptom of the modern world. And whether, or not this is all to do, it’s not to do with the climate, but it is to do with the way we actually live in the modern world, which is depressing a lot of men. And, of course, this doesn’t come in at the equation at all. In fact, you ended up living in a pod and eating a maggot burger, and watch virtual reality porn on your flat-screen TV, and that’s your lot, is not going to help with that whatsoever.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But in actual real problems which people are faced with, they don’t help at all. It’s to further empower the elite to restrict how people live, and actually get us into the pods.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yes. And you pointed out in that article too. So a couple of interesting facts, if we can squeeze in here before we take a short break. But they were arguing for people to stop flying, don’t travel, stop eating meat, or beef specifically, I think it was as well. Was there anything else they added on to that list of what we plebs need to do?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> What she said was that they will make it so that driving, and flying, and eating beef, will be made socially taboo in the same way that smoking was.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> That is right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6535-David-Attenborough-is-believed.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21953" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6535-David-Attenborough-is-believed.jpg" alt="" width="950" height="300" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6535-David-Attenborough-is-believed.jpg 950w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6535-David-Attenborough-is-believed-600x189.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6535-David-Attenborough-is-believed-768x243.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 950px) 100vw, 950px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> So that this indirect pressure, and, of course, in the end smoking just became completely banned everywhere! And eventually with vaping it was kind of replaced entirely. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. I used to smoke and I didn’t do it anymore.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But the point is you can, they can socially engineer things at that macro level, to change people’s behaviors and away from say eating beef. I mean, a couple of people pointed out that eating beef actually is genuinely terrible for the environment.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And yeah, so it gets back to that point. Again, is it natural that four billion people on earth have access to steaks, because all of our cattle has to be reared in, let’s say the Amazon or wherever. There’s definitely real deep discussions to be had on this subject. Should should beef be a luxury item? There’s a good case to be made for sayin yeah, it should. But then we can substitute it with like fish, or something like that. But this is not really what Extinction Rebellion are arguing for, at all.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> No, it’s you shut up, and you eat the maggots now! You get the bugs! And, you know, we at the top will do everything as usual, in fact, we get more luxury. We get more control, more money, more resources, and everything else!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>No, it’s a total fraud! A total sham! If they were sincere about this they wouldn’t weave in migration into this, as a kind of, you know, I’ve seen the links, climate migration, we have to accept immigrants now, because of, you know, there’s climate change in other areas. And therefore bringing people millions of people each year into kind of a Western world lifestyle is somehow going to aid to this process?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I think it’s, at the end of the day, it’s, &#8230; I think one of (((their))) primary goals is demographic replacement! And that’s part of their control agenda, right? Destroy those pesky Europeans that might do some weird kind of unexpected things when it comes to protesting against their subversion, I guess their submission, right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And so they might kind of, there’s a couple examples, let’s put it that way, historically, that have given them pause. And (((they))) think:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Well, yeah, if we can destroy national homogeneity, if we can destroy the ethnic makeup, the glue that makes up these various nations, globalism is going to be so much easier!</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Another plus side is that can replace Europeans specifically! Kind of get they them out of the picture. And I think that’s related to what you mentioned before, that appreciation for freedom, liberty, and that kind of thing, is among the highest I think among Europeans overall.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So we’re a we’re an obstacle in the way towards globalism</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> I would also just point out as well, that what we see emerging from “<em>social justice</em>” which is “<em>Whiteness studies</em>”, which is where Europeans are sort of, they will call the whole system “<em>Whiteness</em>”, and say “<em>Whiteness</em>” is something that has to be abolished. That ties in very nicely with this new climate agenda, because it’s the same system that they’re talking about.</span></p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6536-Climate-Refugees.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21954" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6536-Climate-Refugees.jpg" alt="" width="941" height="601" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6536-Climate-Refugees.jpg 941w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6536-Climate-Refugees-600x383.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6536-Climate-Refugees-768x491.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 941px) 100vw, 941px" /></a></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> A few of those kinds of headlines which I was thinking about, like climate refugees, population displacement, building a trade union, civil society, Guardian again. Orwellian anti-refugee system hints at what’s to come for climate refugees. Everyone has the right to move safely and legally.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6537-Tens-of-Millions-of-Climate-Refugees.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21955" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6537-Tens-of-Millions-of-Climate-Refugees.jpg" alt="" width="968" height="612" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6537-Tens-of-Millions-of-Climate-Refugees.jpg 968w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6537-Tens-of-Millions-of-Climate-Refugees-600x379.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6537-Tens-of-Millions-of-Climate-Refugees-768x486.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 968px) 100vw, 968px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>CNN: Climate change to create hundred and forty three million migrants. World Bank says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“<em>You’re ready for tens of millions of climate refugees.</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Right? So we’ve seen these kinds of headlines being pushed in the mainstream for some time time now, but no one questions bringing millions of people into Western lifestyle would be the worst thing for the environment, in fact.</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6538-Billion-people-to-flee.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21956" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6538-Billion-people-to-flee.jpg" alt="" width="963" height="589" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6538-Billion-people-to-flee.jpg 963w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6538-Billion-people-to-flee-600x367.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6538-Billion-people-to-flee-768x470.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 963px) 100vw, 963px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it’s all one humanity, one mass, one big blob, and it will need one government to control it!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> That’s right! Oversee everything and it’s, I mean, it’s problem, reaction, solution, right? You create problems, you offer, you get outrage, and then you offer the solution. Which is again:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>We’ll take care of you! Just hand over more control to us, and we’ll make sure it’s right!</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s all very clever! It’s all in the books. But let’s take a break here Morgoth, and then we’ll dive into much more here in part two. But plug some of your stuff then. Let us know where people need to go, follow your blog, subscribe to your YouTube, Twitter, etc.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> Morgoth’s Review on all of me platforms, on YouTube, BitChute, which is becoming more of an important site.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> That is right. I do have to remember mentioning that, thank you for bringing that up, by the way.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> BitChute and Morgoth’s Review on blogspot as well is easy to find as well.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6540-Morgoths-Bitchute.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21957" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6540-Morgoths-Bitchute.jpg" alt="" width="695" height="562" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6540-Morgoths-Bitchute.jpg 695w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6540-Morgoths-Bitchute-600x485.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 695px) 100vw, 695px" /></a></strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Now does a search work on BitChute? Let’s see. I just know that sometimes it’s not the best on there</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> If you type it in from Google, or your search browser.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong><a href="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21923" src="https://katana17.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg" alt="" width="847" height="546" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review.jpg 847w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review-600x387.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Red-Ice-and-Morgoth-6488-Morgoths-Review-768x495.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 847px) 100vw, 847px" /></a></strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah, I did find it there. Yeah, Morgoth’s Review. Yeah, doing good on subs over there too, so that’s great.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Morgs:</strong> I also do the occasional video. All of my live streams are probably gonna go on to BitChute. And then, from time to time, I do a sort of monologue, which is a bit too hot for YouTube. That one in the corner there called “<em>Cracks in the Goldberg</em>” is an example of a too hot for YouTube video. Which I’ll do, just for BitChute to help BitChute along. And you really see the difference as well. They’re popular when they just go on exclusively on BitChute.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yes, it’s true. No, that’s great! I think I watched that one, that’s about a month old. I recognized the thumbnail. I thought that that was really good, as well. And I forget, I think it was a BitChute right away that I saw it. But yeah, some good stuff over there. So make sure you subscribe to Morgoth’s Review on be BitChute as well.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But guys we’ll take a short break here. We’ll be back in part two. More with Morgoth’s Review coming up. Stay tuned and see you on the other side.</p>
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<p>Alright ladies and gentlemen, we’re gonna continue in part two with Morgoth’s Review. Definitely make sure that you tune in. We’re going to continue to talk about Brexit, demographic situation, and new census that’s coming out in the UK next year. That’s gonna be very revealing in terms of the demographic transformation of the UK.</p>
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<p>We’re gonna talk about the increase in knife crime, acid attacks. Of course, the kind of unholy alliance between the Left and Islam in the UK, is kind of beginning to tear a little bit at the seams. We will dive into detail about that and kind of discuss in a bit. What it will take to get people of English descent to realise what the establishment is doing to them, and what they actually what kind of future they’re going to create for their kids and their grandchildren.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#160; &#160; [Henrik of Red Ice Radio interviews Canadian-German activist Alfred Schaefer on the situation surrounding his sister&#8217;s arrest on Jan 3 this year, in Germany, for making a video called &#8220;Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust&#8220;. &#160; &#8230; <a href="https://katana17.com/2018/02/08/red-ice-tv-thought-criminal-monika-schaefer-arrested-and-imprisoned-in-germany-part-2-transcript/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">[<strong>Henrik</strong> of <strong>Red Ice Radio</strong> interviews Canadian-German activist <strong>Alfred Schaefer</strong> on the situation surrounding his sister&#8217;s arrest on Jan 3 this year, in Germany, for making a video called &#8220;<strong><em>Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust</em></strong>&#8220;. </span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Part of the subversion of Whites has been achieved through the diabolical lie known as the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8221; that is used by organized jewry as a &#8220;<em>shield and sword</em>&#8221; to draw attention away from its massive crimes against humanity, such as the instigation of the World Wars, 9/11, etc., while also instilling guilt and shame in Whites for their very existence.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Alfred is a tireless and impassioned &#8220;<em>man on a mission</em>&#8221; to alert all to the reality of our dire situation and the forces behind our looming racial and cultural destruction, if we fail to act! I would urge all readers to support Alfred in his work and to help him in exposing the Orwellian situation that his sister, Monika, finds herself in as a &#8220;<em>thought criminal</em>&#8220;, now locked up in a maximum security prison in Germany.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">In <strong>Part 2</strong> here (<a href="https://katana17.com/wp/2018/02/04/red-ice-tv-thought-criminal-monika-schaefer-arrested-and-imprisoned-in-germany-part-1-transcript/">Part 1 is here</a>), Henrik explains his thinking on how Red Ice should present such taboo topics as Revisionist material, and the role of organized jewry in our racial and cultural destruction, that Alfred discusses. Since Red Ice has a large and growing audience on YouTube, Henrik rightly concludes that despite wanting to get the truth out, they must avoid getting banned by YouTube by publishing certain material discussed here in the members section.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Alfred then talks about the use of &#8220;<em>control words</em>&#8220;, such as &#8220;<em>extreme right wing</em>&#8220;, &#8220;<em>racist</em>&#8220;, &#8220;<em>anti-semitism</em>&#8220;, etc., by our enemies to frame the debate in their favour. Organized jewry through its media domination have been relentless lying to us for the purpose of effectively genociding the White race through mass invasion of non-Whites, miscegenation and other means to drive the Whites into minority status.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">He then talks about how the advert of digital technology has enable us to reclaim history and expose the lies that we have been feed. Despite the availability of the true history it is a traumatic process for most people to go through as they rid themselves of the lies that they have been brainwashed with all their lives. Alfred talks about how he overcame his fears to eventually come to conclude that Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest leaders that we have ever produced.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Henrik talks about how he has become &#8220;<em>skeptical</em>&#8221; about the so-called &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8220;, because of the many things that simply don&#8217;t add up, and as such is very interested to hear about what &#8220;<em>Holocaust deniers</em>&#8221; have to say. He goes on to say how the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8221; is always talked about in an emotional way by the main stream media, leading him to conclude there is something &#8220;<em>fishy</em>&#8221; with the story.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Alfred goes on to explain how the people of the West have been, through psychological manipulation, reduced to the level of spiritual, emotional cripples, that have prevented them from resisting, so far, from being flooded with millions of the Third Word.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Henrik tells how that Red Ice has put everything on the line in talking about migration, the JQ, White genocide, etc., wherever the truth leads them. How jews like <strong>Barbara Spectre</strong>, <strong>Noel Ignatiev</strong>, <strong>Gregor Gysi</strong>, talk about the desirability of White population replacement.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Alfred describes how technological development has been used by jews to further their plans, for example with their control of Hollywood, the media, etc. The World Wars and what is happening now is the final phase of the “<em>War of the jew</em>” to dominate the world. And how our empathy, our jew induced feelings of guilt, pathological altruism, and so forth, is being used against us.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Much more is discussed, with Alfred and Henrik ending by urging listeners to write letters of support to Monika.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">I would add that Monika’s imprisonment is a real expression of the war being waged against us and our freedom to exist. Her situation is symbolic of the repression that will only get far worst unless we stand up and fight back in any way we can, however small or large. So start sending cards and letters to Monika, and anything else towards helping her and our cause.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Write to Monika now, at:</span></p>
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<h3 style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Monika Schaefer</span><br />
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<h1 style="text-align:center;">PART 2</h1>
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<h3 style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"> <a style="color:#0000ff;" href="https://wir-sind-monika.com/2018/02/01/alfred-schaefer-red-ice-part-2/">https://wir-sind-monika.com/2018/02/01/alfred-schaefer-red-ice-part-2/</a></span></h3>
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<p style="text-align:center;"> Alfred Schaefer is a German producer whose videos are aimed at exposing the propagandistic nature of the mainstream media. His videos outline how the hostile elite that are in control of much of Western Civilization have managed to subjugate entire populations and their political leadership through psychological conditioning.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">Alfred Schaefer joins Henrik for a discussion about the consequences of challenging the accepted view of the Holocaust. The program begins with Alfred describing what it was like to grow up in Canada with German ancestry amid an accusatory climate of Holocaust remembrance. He describes his sister Monika’s newly found skepticism of the prevailing historical view of the Second World War and her subsequent video productions. Alfred recounts how Monika was arrested in Munich because of her videos that challenged the prevailing mainstream consensus concerning the Holocaust while attending the trial of Sylvia Stolz, a lawyer on trial for so-called Holocaust denial. Henrik and Alfred discuss with incredulity how pursuing historical inquiry can lead to criminal charges and imprisonment.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">In the <strong>members’ hour</strong>, Henrik and Alfred talk about the fractured nature of facts surrounding the nature of the Holocaust itself and the need for further research. The conversation then addresses the migrant crisis and how it constitutes a threat to Western civilization and how it can be viewed as a destructive companion phenomenon to Holocaust guilt and other Leftist propaganda. The conversation turns to the free fall of the mainstream media, how people crave alternative media sources, and the importance of outlets like Red Ice. Henrik speaks to the risk involved with pursing the truth about the migrant crisis, its origins, and underlying motivators. The discussion then turns to the seeming contradictions of population replacement.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">Henrik and Alfred go on to discuss the severity of the current geopolitical situation as an existential crisis; the importance of pursuing moderate solutions to avoid widespread conflict; and much more.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> All right ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us here in the second segment at <strong>Red Ice Members dot com</strong>. We’re talking with <strong>Alfred Schaefer</strong>.</p>
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<p>And I just want to take a moment and kind of explain a few things, not only about the topic, but kind of about the way that we have to think about how we address these kinds of topics now, as well. The first thing is, of course, that we were mentioned, Red Ice TV was mentioned by name in the British Parliament. It was a couple of weeks ago now, by a lady who brought us up, we’re in the record of the UK parliament right now in reference to, I think there had a discussion about hate and violence and how people turn to terrorism and stuff like that. And we came up as a horrible right-wing example of a channel that should be censored! And this lady <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[Yvette Cooper]</strong></span>, I forget her name, now even. She was literally calling, she was sitting there with a representative from Google and talking about us specifically how, you know:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“<em><i>What do we need to do to make you censor these kinds of channels? </i></em>”</p></blockquote>
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<p>And not only since that point, but around that point, we realized that okay, what we have here with the YouTube channel, I think we just broke 170,000 subscribers recently. So it’s a good, you know, it’s a good platform. It’s a good way to get the message out. And just to be frank with everyone, I also feel at the same time that I know that certain topics are just a “<em><i>third rail</i></em>”! I know that they would lead to censorship. Part of me feels, I don’t want to hand their reasoning to them, or the way that they just can basically say, “<em><i>Okay, let’s censor it! </i></em>” Because they’re talking about these “<em><i>nonsense</i></em>” topics.</p>
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<p>We don’t have to, you know, we know that they’re not. We personally and I personally, as we heard tonight, we’re open to everything. We consider that our audience should have an open mind. And even if it’s a topic that you don’t agree with, if you’re a newcomer, if you don’t know what we’ve talked about in the past on the show. Whatever it might be, we hope that you’re in a position where you. Where you hear our guests out and you hear us out and give us the benefit of the doubt. And even if you think differently, you know, there’s no reason why you should hate all the other material that we do. You would just come to a point where we disagree. So that’s fine, but, what I’m getting at is, that I feel this urge, I want to talk about certain things, I especially want to talk about the things that you’re not supposed to talk about! Like this topic we’re addressing here with Alfred today.</p>
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<p>At the same time that’s why I feel reprehensible these days, to full on go on a path especially in the first hour, because that will go up on our YouTube channel. It will be available for free and that’s where kind of feel, I think we should have an approach where we basically save some of the more controversial material, shall we say, for the second segment., because that’s our platform, we control that. There we can discuss whatever we want to. And that’s also kind of partially why I don’t want to just go fully overboard in the first segment., because YouTube will censor us and if we can limit that ability, I think that’s a smart strategy.</p>
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<p>I think it’s better to reach out with, I don’t know twenty-five, or fifty percent of the material that we have, then not reaching anyone at all., because we’re going to be at censored. So that’s one of the reasons why I didn’t pick up on certain things that Alfred mentioned in the first segment when he talks about historical events and things like this. I kind of, I just feel, you know, let’s leave it a bit later and we will go into the details. And if people really want to get into the knowledge of this, they can check our archives. They can listen to the second hour and they’ll get kind of the full spectrum of the things that we discuss.</p>
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<p>And again, just briefly on this, there are some people, when it comes to this topic, that are more effectual than others. There are some that are better when it comes to the history and stuff like that. I have a very open mind about this topic and I frankly don’t know all the intricacies, and the ins and outs, of this historical event. There’s many many, you know, revisionists or, historical truth seekers that are far more pertinent on this topic than me.</p>
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<p>But I love listening to these guys, no matter how out of left field it may seem. I want to get to the truth and I’m willing to give the people a platform, that talk about this, that DARE talk about this! And that also ends up in trouble for talking about this. I think it’s a incredibly important and if we can offer, you know, something we here at Red Ice that is completely, &#8230; We’re not original I know that there’s other people talking about it, but I’m saying, you know, in the size that we have of the YouTube platform and stuff like that, if we can offer people, or be a vehicle to help to get some of that message out, I want to! I want to be there as a free speech kind of platform, that actually focuses on these kinds of things that you’re not supposed to talk about.</p>
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<p>There’s many parts to this, and it’s a very dynamic situation. So on one hand you have to be careful of how you cover it. You have to be smart, how you cover it. And you don’t have to be reckless. And I know that some people out there they want me to go full force and talk about these issues all the time, and this, and that. And I just don’t think it’s smart to do that. I think we just shoot ourselves in the foot.</p>
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<p>So, you know, I’m all aboard of speaking about these issues, but I want people out there to understand that we have to be, you know, kind of smart about this too. So, I think that’s kind of encapsulates what I want to say about this. I could go on for a long time.</p>
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<p>But Alfred, let’s focus back on you here now and talk more about this., because I want to hear about this. I want you to be in a position to be able to share what you think our audience should know about this historical event. What components of this is important and I also want to again urge people that you might not agree with Alfred.</p>
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<p>You might be a newcomer, you don’t know about this topic, or never really maybe cared about it that much, or your convinced of one way, or another. But just hear Alfred. Hear our other guests out that talk about this and see what conclusions you come to. See if there’s anything to it, because I think this is a vastly important topic, for the reasons that we mentioned Alfred. That, you know, they’ve hinged so many other components on this, in terms of the guilt and like, this is the reason why we must become multi-cultural. This is the reason why we have to accept all these people into our countries. That’s why we can’t have a country which is comprised of our own people as a majority, and stuff like this.</p>
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<p>So it is a focal point, a node point, in their kind of matrix, if you will, of how they managed to keep us trapped and encapsulated. But how would you, &#8230; Assume that we’re talking with someone who is new to the topic and who might even be upset with you, at this point at the things that you have mentioned? What would you like to say to them, and how do you think is the best way to get them into the mindset of how the should relate to this.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Well let’s just start with what you said before. That you are mentioned in the UK parliament there. And they said, “<em><i>extreme right-wing</i></em>”. Well I tell you what, I’d rather be extreme “<em><i>right wing</i></em>” then extreme “<em><i>wrong wing</i></em>”! And in our language, and so much of what they’ve done to us is with the words. They use the words and make us associate certain emotions with words, and thereby controlling us, until we are actually upside down in our thinking.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now they have made us believe that to be “<em><i>right</i></em>” is very bad, but I’d rather be right than wrong. And in German, in fact, they use the word “<em><i>left</i></em>”, also means, if you got “<em><i>left</i></em>”, it means you got cheated. And all these jews, these communists, basically are turning everything “<em><i>left</i></em>”! Which means they’re cheating, they’re inverting it. You can turn a shirt “<em><i>inside out</i></em>”, in German you say, “<em><i>Links abbiegen</i></em>” which means “<em><i>turned left</i></em>”.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I want to use that word, because that’s just one example of how they do it with all the words, all the words. They define people as “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” deniers! They define everything they don’t want to hear as “<em><i>hate speech</i></em>”. Now, as long as we bow and bend to these kinds of intimidations then there is no stopping. They will keep driving us further down the road they want to drive us down. And that’s why my position on this is, I guess some people would call it reckless, but I say I will not adhere to any of these thought laws!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And also, if you ever deal with a psychopath, you will know that the psychopath will have a hysterical reaction whether you do a tiny little deviation from what he wants you to do, or if you just, you know, destroy the whole thing.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So that’s why I say, I notice it too, the people that go to prison here in Germany. Some people go to prison, because they gave three pieces of paper to two people. Well I say if you go to prison for giving three pieces of paper to two people, you might as well go to jail for giving a million pieces of paper to a million people! You see, because you might as well, the punishment is going to be the same. It’s arbitrary.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[09:06]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So that’s one thing, we have to understand what we’re up against and regain our independence in thought and spirit, and we do not have to bow to anybody! Especially not somebody who we know is lying to us on a scale that is beyond most people’s comprehension. And that’s what it is with the jews, as a collective. They have amassed so many lies, that they know that when these lies collapse, that they will be chased out of town and there will not be a jew left alive! , because the people, they don’t have to worry about us, you know, you, or me, we have had time to incrementally come to terms with the frustration and the anger. So we’ve got control of ourselves.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But what about all those people, when they understand just what’s been done to them? Especially now that the big picture, the big plan is, in fact, the extermination of the White race by mass miscegenation and by genocide. And that’s a reality that will catch up to us, no matter how we try to put her head in the sand, or cover our eyes and not look at it. When your house is being invaded by the hordes on the street, then there is no more hiding! They will kill you!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And the Germans, the heart of Europe, they went through so much horrible, unspeakable suffering, and now the very descendants of these people that survived that genocide, are on their knees paying the perpetrator for some “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” which never ever happened! In fact, the jews themselves came out of that conflict, that we call the Second World War better than any other race.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">See they did it, just like 9/11, they got the “<em><i>jew call</i></em>”. The jews, they always set the stage. Once they know the fighting is going to begin they get the hell out of there. And all those jews left and got the hell out of there, those are the ones that later claimed “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” restitution, because they are survivors. Now if you took, how many jews there were even though they were the enemy of the Germans, they still fared better than the Germans! If you look at how many were there, how they, you know, percent wise got out of that, made it through, they did very well! Just like 9/11.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">9/11, I think three jews that died, although there was hundreds of jews that worked in those complexes, but they all stayed home that day. Just like they all stayed home, or they all went on vacation and left those cities that were then fire bombed in Germany. And so many jews, they left and then afterwards they claimed “<em><i>Holocaust survivor</i></em>”!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[12:03]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So that’s reality. I mean, they’ve been so, so, so, successful I think it’s even blown their own minds how successful they’ve been. And this success however, has deluded their minds to think it can continue going on that way forever. And now, of course, comes the day of reckoning. Digital technology and our ability to think, and our ability, as people from everywhere figure out what happened in our history, putting all the stuff together out of that what was supposed to be forgotten and erased.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Well, digital technology has enabled us to actually bring the stuff back to the surface, put the pieces together. And now we’re putting the big picture together. And the jew, there is no escape. The jew will not, the jews dream is to have a thousand years of, you know, world domination. Well it’s coming to it’s end, probably this year. And that’s why I say that the sooner everybody comes on board and understands this, the better it is., because it is traumatizing, and you cannot erase the emotions of the programs out of your head.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Even if, you know, okay, it’s a lie, you know, this is what the truth is. Until you really have your mind back under your control with the truth and the proper emotions, it’s a traumatic process that can take a long time.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And I know, even myself, not just a couple of years ago, I still had to really overcome fears of looking at things like, “<em><i>The Greatest Story Never Told</i></em>” by Dennis Wise, for example. I remember the emotions, we had to pull down the blinds before we look at that, somebody might see us. And to go from understanding that Adolf Hitler was not a villain, but probably one of the greatest Europeans, one of the greatest people the Europeans have ever brought forth! On the same scale as the greatest heroes that we’ve ever had in the past. Whether it’s Caesar, or whether it’s, you know, Napoleon, whoever these people are. Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest leaders that we have ever produced!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> So let me pick up on something you mentioned earlier. Again in terms of the labels and this kind of stuff, “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” denier, for example. I think the articles out there about, you know, me, Red Ice, whatever. I think that’s usually one thing that’s kind of mentioned right away. As a way to immediately discredit! Like here is a untrustworthy, stupid, moronic organization! You know, they once talked about the “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>”, or that it didn’t happen, or whatever.</p>
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<p>So that is kind of bandied around a lot, you know, Henrik is a “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” denier! <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[laughing]</strong> </span>Because I’ve had people on the show that don’t believe in the story, in the mainstream story. And it’s also, because I’ve had them on the show and I don’t treat them the way that let’s say, you know, because Fox, or CNN, as media outlets, they can talk about the subject, but you have to have the right relationship to the guest. You have to clearly demonstrate that you’re an opposition to them! And you’re resentful, and almost hateful towards them. Then it’s okay. Then you can touch on it.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[15:06]</strong></span></p>
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<p>You can’t invite people on the show that you, and again, it doesn’t matter if I agree, or disagree, it’s a crime that I can’t invite people to the show, and ask them questions about what they believe, and give them a platform to share their opinions. That is a crime in itself, right?</p>
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<p>So now, I become a “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” denier. I haven’t even, I don’t have all the facts about the event. I frankly I don’t know who does. I think there’s enough information to know that something is kind of weird with the bits and pieces that we have been given. And something is, I think there’s enough information to demonstrate that it’s not as they claim that it was.</p>
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<p>That’s kind of, and frankly in the most honest way I can explain, what I think about the event., because I know that there’s an incredibly muddy, the waters is so muddy around it historically. And the few bits and pieces we managed to extract, Alfred, we’ve been able to see that it’s like, well, how the hell do you piece the math together here?</p>
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<p>One thing I really like about many of the videos out there that talk about this subject, and the mechanics, if you will, of the event itself, it’s a very, you know, for those that are not familiar with it, it’s a very gruesome way that it’s done., because it’s done in a very cold and scientific way. And that’s also a give away, I feel., because we never get to that level of inquiry in the mainstream. It’s always emotions first, right!</p>
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<p>Every time you talk about this, it’s about, you know, a little girl’s experience, and they get you in that mindset right away, where were you not allowed to just, well wait a moment, let’s not talk about the emotions first! Let’s just zoom out and let’s talk about what actually happened. How did it come together? What do they say that it is, right? In these videos that look at the, for example, the number of bodies that have been taken into the chambers where they were undressed, and so forth. And then, you know, the gas was disseminated and then they transported the bodies up and out through this little kind of small elevator, up to where the crematories are, and stuff like that.</p>
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<p>You know, what I’m talking about. Those kinds of videos that really going to the nitty-gritty detail. That’s were I think the key is, because it shows scientifically and mathematically that this is a very different. It would have been very different to, what should we say, dispose of that many bodies that they claim, for example.</p>
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<p>So from my point of view I think it’s a numbers game. I look at it, and it seems mathematically and scientifically, that what they say to us, that’s an impossibility! And the fact that we’re not allowed to talk about that, or the fact that they have to kind of show this emotional thing first, and avoid the science of it. That’s a dead giveaway to me! So, just from the point of view, I just like, you know, I don’t know what the hell happened!<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[laughing]</strong></span> And I don’t have all the details. But something is fishy with the story. That’s where I’m at. What do you feel about this?</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[17:55]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Well like you said, it’s all emotions and no science. And when you said before, that if you are one of these main stream media, or jew stream media, they can only get on there if you bend to their nonsense. And yet they will scream at, they will denounce someone as being a “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” denier with such hysterical emotion. And people have no self self-esteem anymore, because they are demoralized, there are people who don’t even know which gender they are, don’t have any self-esteem.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And they will scream from one corner to the next, like a little dog, or like a little rat with emotional hysteria. Not even turning their brain on to just think, well what is actually the reality? They are so incapable. See, the danger that we have right now is that a population, when our entire population, has been reduced to this level as spiritual, emotional cripples. Total cripples! We in no way, shape, or form, be ready for the reality that we have to deal with, which is survival in an environment that is going to radically become more hostile to us. When we are being flooded by basically, well, millions of Third World, they call them migrants, hey these is the very worst thing that we could possibly allow to happen.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Because here we are, our children that are now confused about their gender, that have nothing, but their feelings as their main focal point, are now going to have to live, survive, in a world that is being flooded by millions of hostile young men, primarily, from Third World countries. This is a recipe for total, absolute disaster! And for people to bow to emotional tyranny, “<em><i>Holocaust denier</i></em>”! If anybody called me a “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” denier I’d say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>Well, I’m just glad you didn’t insult me as being a “<em><i>Holocaust believer! </i></em>”</i></em></span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">When everybody knows that it’s a lie. Another thing you have to remember, Henrik, is that the mainstream media is falling at free fall speed!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yep, yep.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">About as fast as those three towers on 9/11 fell! Nobody looks at them anymore, nobody takes it seriously. And people are going to Red Ice and similar stations, you probably have one of the best sources around. That’s why they attacked you. That’s why they took you down and destroyed you in a very professional way. And I’m just so glad you guys came back up again. And don’t underestimate the importance of your work, and the responsibility that you carry to help to understand the reality that’s out there., because people are revolted by the mainstream media! They are revolted by our politicians. And they are craving for someone like your platform. Lana, what you guys are doing is just superb!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[21:14]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Thank you.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">I just want to say that now. And I cannot say enough how much I appreciate that. And I’ll tell you, there’s a lot of people out there, that have the same sentiments I do, that I’m expressing to you now. But they don’t tell you. But it’s out there. So don’t underestimate the importance of what you’re doing and, you know, stay strong! Stay safe!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Thank you. Yeah, and I mean, exactly. And we could have been in a situation where we just didn’t talk about these issues, or didn’t go in this direction, but as many people know, who’s been with us for a long time, I’ve always just been a “<em><i>Truth Seeker</i></em>”. That’s what it’s been about! And, of course, about philosophy, philosophical topics, and kind of getting to the nature of reality and these kinds of things as well.</p>
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<p>But when I started waking up to, you know, specifically the migrant invasion and what happened to Sweden, to my own country, back in, for a serious way, back in 2013, 14, something like that. I knew about it before hand, I had done some shows on like <strong>Barbara Spectre</strong>, you know, on these kinds of issues that have had risen up at that point. But it wasn’t the only thing after that point, when I researched some of the history and got really just engaged in the ancient culture of my country, that I felt for the first time that something is being lost! Something incredibly unique and important to me, and my identity, is being lost. And I realized that I had to fight for that!</p>
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<p>And I put everything that Red Ice does, really on the line, because we ventured into an area where even most truth seekers never tread, right? They don’t dare! They don’t want to! They disagree politically and all these kinds of things and it’s just too much. We took an immense risk by going into that area. Talking about migration, talking about the JQ <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[Jewish Question]</strong></span>. And, you know, who is behind things, and why they’re doing it to us. What their ultimate goal is. Talking about White genocide, population replacement, and these kinds of issues.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[23:10]</strong></span></p>
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<p>But again, my stance has always been we have to go where the truth leads us. It’s an observable reality of what is happening in Europe and America right now. And that’s what I want to talk about. And we have to go in that direction. So I appreciate, you know, you mentioning that, because we could have, I would never have done it, but I’m saying for the sake of it, we could have just kind of avoided that and continue on the path as usual. But I feel that wouldn’t have been the responsible thing to do. Wouldn’t have been the right thing to do, and I would have been lying to myself. And I just I couldn’t do that. So thanks for mentioning that.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Another very important thing that anybody working in trying to understand the truth has to have the strength, the character strength to also admit that we believed in lies!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Exactly!</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> You see I admit I believed a lot of nonsense and made bad decisions based on the nonsense. I was myself was demoralized and allowed myself to be distracted, because I was so demoralized. And I’m just so grateful that I was able to come to the point where we find ourselves today, and to come out of that condition., because once you come out and once you understand the truthful things, you know, you look at people that choose to remain in the comfortable way, or that they think is comfortable. Sit on the couch and watch TV and believe the lies. They become insignificant. There’s no content in their lives, they’re just nothing!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">When this system collapses and those people who understand the truth will be obliged to be leaders of the hundreds, or thousands, of other people, because these zombies will need leadership! They are not even capable of anything anymore. And that’s why it’s important that we just articulate the findings, the conclusions that we come to based on evidence, and so forth, in a way that other people find motivation and interest in understanding it. To come to our side, because the zombies, as long as they believe these lies, and as long as they still emotionally react to these control trigger words, they are not really functioning human beings! Our ancestors would be abhorred, if they saw how people today allow themselves to be driven basically with words! Simple words, that are hysterically projected on them in an emotional way.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I mean, you see the pictures you’re showing right now, I mean, these people coming in they’re filled in their minds with completely different programs than we have been filled with.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">We have been filled with programs that make us submissive and “<em><i>tolerant</i></em>” and we have no self-confidence, no nothing. They <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[invaders]</strong> </span>come in here with a sense of entitlement! And they want something, they were promised all kinds of things. And a lot of these people coming in, they paid their family savings to some smuggler of people, to come to get the house, and the woman, and the car, that was promised! And when they don’t get it, they get angry, and they’ll just go and get it!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">That’s what they do. The Talmudic jews, they program people and bring them together and then they make them go at each others throats. And then they try to come and say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>Oh, we’ll be the referee and we’ll get this all sorted out again! </i></em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And it is a turmoil! It is a disaster! We have to regain our independence, our territorial independence, our spiritual independence, our souls, our history! We have to find our identity and it is our obligation.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Tell us why you think it’s done in this way., because that would seem as a contradiction. We’ve been over this many times on the show, but again we’re talking about this from the from a point of view of having the newcomer in mind, and that’s why it’s important to go over things, over, and over again.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[27:07]</strong></span></p>
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<p>And so, you would think, &#8230; Let’s take the city of Malmo, for example, in Sweden. Where many of the jews in Malmo have been willing, or they’ve been kind of driven out, actually, to a certain extent. They’ve left, because there are so many Muslims that are coming in and controlling large sections of those areas, that they are no longer safe. They can’t walk around with their yamakas <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[yarmulkes (pronounced “<em><i>yamakas</i></em>”, a Yiddish word taken from the Polish word for skullcap)]</strong>,</span> or kippa, whatever it is, in the street. They can’t be visible about who they are. And then you have people like Barbara Spectre. It’s a perfect reference, because it shows someone for the first time, someone<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[a jew]</strong> r</span>eally openly talking about it.</p>
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<p>There’s many others too that we’ve referenced like <strong>Annahecker Harnee</strong><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[sp]</strong></span>, <strong>Noel Ignatiev</strong>, there is people in Germany, like <strong>Gregor Gysi</strong> that’s talking about this. Many politicians too, in Germany talking about the replacement, basically. And that Europe has to become multi-cultural.</p>
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<p>But tell us about that seeming contradiction that if they bring in lots of Muslims into Europe, then those jewish populations that are in Europe, are going to be targeted themselves. At least those on the street level, maybe not the elite ones, you know, that are owning banks and media corporations and stuff like this. But why is it beneficial for them to do that, when you think, initially, that would be something that hurts their own people?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">If you see this all in the context of the big picture. I’m talking about from the biological point of view. And when I say a biological perspective, I say that looking at us as the White race, the European peoples, and the onslaught of the jew, as a parasite, on the White race to eradicate, or weaken the White race, to the point of not being a hindrance to the jews quest for world domination.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now the jew, as a parasite, will never be able to dominate a functioning planet, but these invaders are an instrument used to destroy us! To breed us down, and basically destroy us. But that is the mind of the psychopathic parasite. This strategy may have worked as long as the jew was going from one European tribe to the next, when one was destroyed it could just sort of slither out the back door before it completely collapsed and go to the next host and start all over there. And this was so successful.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[29:45]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Then the technological revolution was somehow very conducive to this behavior. Let’s look at it in the United States and the film industry, and Hollywood, and so forth. Now the jews never invented anything at all. They just took everything over after we invented it. Look at Thomas Edison. Well, he might have invented the movie cameras and stuff like that, but the jews seemed to have taken over Hollywood and got total control of it. As well as all the media, and everything else. They don’t invent, or create! They just infiltrate and take over, and then use it for their devious purposes. Their business model basically is, now that we have kvetched and sucked as much out of these European peoples as we can, we are so close to world domination, now we have to get rid of them, before they figure it out and retaliate with the retribution that’s coming coming down their way. And that’s the situation we have.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So it’s really the final showdown — them, or us! And everything they have done so far, has brought us to this point — them, or us!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now they want to exterminate us, well if we reverse that one hundred eighty degrees, then we have to exterminate them! And they’re trying to prevent that with “<em><i>thought laws</i></em>”! That we cannot even express this natural biological response that is necessary for us to survive. They’re trying to make it illegal! And that’s not going to work, you see, because this is a biological thing, and the jew knows it. And the more draconian that they come with their pathetic thought laws, people don’t let themselves be driven by that anymore, except the zombies.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But the zombies, they all have to be put down. I mean, I know it sounds really cruel for a moment. But if you have a dog at home and you have conditioned this dog to just bite any blonde person that comes along, for whatever reason. Now you decide that wasn’t a good idea, I want to deprogram the dog. Well if you cannot, if you’re not able to deprogram the dog what are you going to do? You will put it down as a sick dog.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now, I don’t want to talk about our people as being sick dogs, but if we have people that prefer to keep the programs that they have been programmed with, through the psychological warfare that they have been indoctrinated with. If they choose to continue running on these programs, they are not a functioning human being. They are, in fact, standing in the way, serving as our enemies! And the jews even gloat about the fact that they will get the “<em><i>goyim</i></em>” to be instruments of their own destruction!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And these people, these lefties, these communists, our people who throw us in jail, who come and steal my computers, for example, these are our people! And they have been conditioned to do that, and they have to understand — that’s what I told them when they were here just yesterday morning. I said:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>You guys will all be held to account, and I hope you guys have some pretty good reasons figured out, because it’s not far away. We know your names, we have your faces. Lists are being compiled. And you need to understand what treason is, and you need to understand what theft is! So you figure it out. You’ve got to live with it! </i></em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I’d rather go to jail. I told them I would rather be dead than doing what you are doing now, stealing my computers!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">This is a final battle between the lie, and deceit, and deception, and our survival! And by God we’ve got to get this right! And we are going to get this right. I know we’re going to get it, right!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[33:23]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> All right, a couple of couple of things there, Alfred. Okay, so the first one I feel it’s important to touch on is, of course, the severity of the situation, and explaining that there is a conflict. It’s very difficult to explain to someone who doesn’t see the on-goings of the world as an existential battle. It’s very easy, I think, for people to be at a point where, &#8230; I don’t know what to call it. Like we made it, right? There’s no war, no major wars, no world wars anymore at least. You know, largely in the West, where we’re safe, it’s fine with it’s prosperity somewhat. I know things are bring degraded slowly. But overall, if you just kind of go along to get along, watch the TV, you have access to your cheap calories, as it were. It would seemingly be, “<em><i>everything’s okay</i></em>” right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But what people don’t understand, is that underneath all this, including what the globalists are up to, and stuff like that, there is an intense battle going on for the future of this planet! Of both ownership and control, and who’s going to run things, and stuff like that. And we have to try to explain to people that it’s like no! There are people out there that see you as an existential threat, and they want to control you, or manage you, or replace you, or whatever the situation might be for that individual group.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But there’s people meddling. And it’s at a such a point now when we look at the migrant invasion, and stuff like that. And some of the comments we have from people themselves, that are openly talking about population replacement, and that this is about swamping Europe. We have to get to a point where we realize that it is existential. It is a battle for survival!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Most Europeans are not at that position yet, because we don’t see it that clearly. It’s still somewhat behind closed doors. It’s only the people there really are looking at the stuff, that are finding the quotes, they’re keeping up with the news and stuff like that. And that’s frankly too much for most normies out there! They go along to get along. They don’t understand that this is a battle.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So what you’re talking about, when you talk about this intense struggle that’s going on between these different groups, I think is very difficult for them to wrap their heads around it. And I also think, that they think, that it is dangerous — and partially I would agree with them — to, for example, group everyone together as a unit in certain situations. There’s always people who are going to break that mold. There’s other people from the group that will talk against what the group is doing and stuff like that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[36:02]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I see the danger in that. But I believe, and correct me if I’m wrong, but when you were talking about the jewish group, you’re talking about primarily the “<em><i>organized</i></em>”, those who have organized efforts? I mean, there are people like <strong>Gilad Atzmon</strong>, who is jewish, but he talks about the kind of things that we talk about. I certainly have no need to go after him, or some of the people that are on our side, who don’t have a problem with us, right?<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[laughing]</strong></span> So there is some clarification that I think could be made for the newcomer there. That is not only about grouping people together, but you’re talking about those who are actively, as an interest group, engaged in replacing us, or bringing in migrants, or openly talking about the kind of things that are, frankly, should be a crime against humanity. But how do you see this, and how do we explain it to people?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Good. First of all, those people who think everything is fine, there’s no war. No! There’s a war going on right now. We are now in the final phase of the “<em><i>War of the jew</i></em>” to dominate this world. And you have to see what we call “<em><i>World War One</i></em>” and “<em><i>World War Two</i></em>” in this context. And they needed this period of time to get us in the position that we’re in right now. And see, a lot of the jews themselves are also victims of this insanity. But they are acting as a group. And that’s why I say that jews need to understand that they are being coerced, or led, acting as a group. And as such, they will be dealt with as a group, when this healing process begins.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">They are, I’ve often said, those at the top, those top jews actually hate their own people more than they hate us. They are so extremely self-centered and selfish, that they will risk using their own people as a human shield for when the inevitable retribution comes. And they don’t care! And those jews that haven’t personally done anything wrong, they’re just living their lives, they haven’t lied and cheated, like most jews do.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I’m sure there’s some out there that are innocent. Now these jews, &#8230; This is a time for them to come out and start to, for example, help get Monika out of prison, okay? This is something they can really put themselves on record as having done, which they will benefit from, when this lie goes over. They can say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>Look! Here’s my accountable evidence that I tried to fight for the truth.</i></em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Any jew that attacks us for being “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” deniers is guilty! And see, this is where even Gilad Aztmon, unfortunately, very recently, he used to claim he’s an “<em><i>ex-jew</i></em>”, but he still had so much jewishness in him, that he actually talked about the “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” as if it were real!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[38:57]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Any mention of the “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” without qualifying it, for the fraud and lie that it is, is making a person guilty! The “<em><i>Holocaust</i></em>” and anybody who tries to hold that up, is guilty! That’s as simple as I can put it. I mean, I’m not going to be the judge where this thing goes down. The people in the world are going to be judging it. And I’m just saying, I’m doing everything I can. We are trying to resolve this peacefully! And peacefully means we have to face the facts, no matter what they are! We need to, don’t ignore 9/11, because jews did 9/11, and we don’t want to talk about it!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">You know, I notice they’re talking more, a lot about USS Liberty now. But we need to talk about 9/11! We need to talk about Israel! We need to talk about the entire agenda that is being played out against us! Okay? , because the biological response is coming! And that’s what we are witnessing now. If you outlaw bad weather, and I’m the weatherman, and I predict bad weather, what are you going to do? Shoot me, because I’m predicting a storm?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">We’ve got the set up for a perfect storm. We are facing the perfect storm! And we have to prepare ourselves for that. So those people who are sitting on the couch thinking it’s all nice and quiet, &#8230; I crossed the Atlantic on a sailboat a number of times, and before a bad storm, it can be really nice on deck. But if you don’t get ready for it, with your sails, with just everything you have to do it, you will not survive the storm!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">We are coming into a storm and when we have masses of people that do not belong to us in our cities, and our infrastructure breaks down, we will have to deal with these people! And dealing with them will not be pretty! , because them going around taking what they want, is not the solution. It’s going to be, too many people on limited territory, with even more limited resources, and this used to be our territory! It used to be our civilisation!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And now we have our young people, they don’t even know which gender they are! Now do you understand what I’m getting at?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Sure.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> Now they’re not confused about their gender, because that’s natural, that did not come, you know, as a natural organic kind of development. That came, because they were indoctrinated that way, by the jews! Not by us! By the jews! And that’s something that is a fact. And nobody can dispute that fact. So that’s what we’re facing so, you know, that’s what I think.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yeah, I think what you said there too is an important point. And I’ve heard others, frame it in that way too. And I believe that there’s something to that. That basically the conditions that have been created, this powder keg condition really, that has been created, is something that people need to be aware of that it’s going to blow up! I’m with you on that page too. I think that if things can be solved peacefully, they should be. They should be addressed and tackled before it gets to that point.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But that’s where most people decide to look away. And they say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em><i>No, it’s too difficult, it is too painful</i></em>”, or “<em><i>I don’t want to be called a racist for opposing migration.</i></em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Or whatever, despite the fact that they can see with their own eyes and experience in the real world, that things are getting worse in their own country. They’re being sidelined by their own government. Other people are being favored, before them, etc. Like, it’s their duty to save others and take care of others before their own people.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[42:31]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So, what you’re saying, and what I’ve heard other people say too, is that there’s an awful lot of anger and resentment, because of that. That’s building up, right? That eventually, down the line, if it gets that far, we don’t know where this is going to go. We don’t know if, let’s say the Europeans start fighting back, right? And all of a sudden it turns into, all of Europe turns into a Bosnia, or Kosovo, or something like that, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Let’s assume the rest of the world descends on Europe, and like, cleans it, cleans it out! , because we dared to fight back, against people that are trying to invade our lands. And once they’ve turned really hostile in an open level towards us, or something like that, who knows where this is going to go.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But my point is, it should be resolved at this point. It should be addressed at this point, before it gets too far., because when people are realizing what has happened, they are probably going to ask questions:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em><i>Well, how did this happen? And who did this? </i></em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And these kinds of things, right? So that’s an important step, Alfred, in the process of just recognizing that isn’t it better to try to tackle and address these things now? And to try to prevent just the reaction of anger, and violence, and resentment, to bloom in the world! , because that’s when it really is going to start getting ugly, and you’re not going to be able to straighten anything out at that point.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You are not going to be able to make, you know, up, or down of anything, at that point. It’s just the going to be utter chaos! And I don’t want to see that! I know my lot of people don’t want to see that, either! So that’s why we have to address it. We have to be honest about what is going on. Why it’s happening. Who’s doing it<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[laughing]</strong></span> and try to straighten it out politically! And with political will, because I still think there is time to do that. We’re not a minority yet, in most of our countries. It’s heading that way.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Wait another five, ten years in some countries, and it’s going to start heading in that way. But there’s still time. But it’s an incredibly difficult situation, because when these things have happened historically, if we’re honest about this and look at, you know, World Wars and conflicts on this level, and this scale, there’s always people who don’t deserve something, that have been squeezed in this situation. And they have taken the brunt end of what other people have done. And it’s kind of a messy situation, if, you know, what I mean.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[44:48]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> Absolutely! And going back to what you were saying before. Our empathy, or our bad feelings, or our guilt, and so forth, our pathological altruism is being used so against us. And part of the solution is overcoming these words that are triggering unhealthy responses, for example, “<em><i>racist</i></em>”, or “<em><i>anti-semitism</i></em>”. These are weaponized words that should be called out, as “<em><i>marked cards</i></em>” in a card game that we’re playing.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Anytime this word comes, stop it in it’s tracks and do never, ever, apologize! , because these are marked cards. If you’re playing a card game, and it’s about life and death, it’s about your future and your existence, and then sometime deep into the game, you realize you are being dealt marked cards, what do you do? I would call these cards out on the spot! And say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>That is a marked card! And explain that one to me! </i></em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So when somebody says:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>Oh! If you do that, you’re a racist! </i></em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>Pardon me. What are you talking about? What do you mean? Are you telling me that there is no difference between a race horse and a plow horse? Are you telling me, I am a race conservationist? </i></em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I want to conserve the races for what they are. They’re very different and that’s good. I am for multi-culturalism, and if we just sort of mix them all together, it’s a little bit like if I took your body, Henrik. Your bones are too White and hard, your brain is too gray and gooey, your liver is too brown and gooey, so I’m going to put you through the blender. Now I’ve got you multi-culturalized, but you’re very dead! That’s what this multiculturalism is with these people coming in, these hordes is going to do to us.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And remember, it was the Europeans that are responsible for well over ninety percent of all technological inventions, that make our life what we know it today. And I’m not talking just about these inventions, I’m talking about music, and all these other things. And if we don’t keep this continent exclusively European, all that will be gone!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I mean, our ancestors would never have achieved what they achieved, because they allowed the hordes out of Africa, or Asia to overwhelm them, because it was a good place to have a free lunch. You see, all these people coming and now, they’re coming here, because it’s a free lunch! They are actually people that are turning their backs on their own people, for a free lunch, at the cost of the Europeans!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now when you see a city like Malmo, or something, and there’s no Swedes left in there anymore, but all kinds of, there’s Muslims all over the place wearing hijabs, and so forth. Hey! That’s a colonization! They have colonized you! Now when your forefathers, the Vikings, I mean, they would roll over it disgust and shame, when they see what’s happened to their offspring! Their little boys are not even sure that they’re boys anymore! That, you know, that they think that this is a joke, or something! It’s not a joke, this is survival!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yeah, and it is.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[47:42]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">And we do not have to, we are not obliged to feel sorry for any of these people. They have their homes! Ask them, why do you turn your back on your own people!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Exactly!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">You’ve something here? Then go back home! You’ve got your place. This is ours! And if you don’t understand what that means? Well see what happens to you if you stick around., because I’ll tell you, if you think the mood is getting bad now, just look around and see where it’s going. It’s not going to get prettier!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> No. That’s just it, and it’s horrendous, you know, that it’s that’s in the direction where it goes to. I still think, you know, I still think that the level of compassion that we have seen in the Indo-European mind, if you will, that we’re the ones who pushed the Human Rights. We’re the ones who came with the aspect of equality and egalitarianism. And although there’s follies in those proposals, those philosophical ideas, or errors in those ideas, I still think that appealing to compassion among our own people is still the successful recipe.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I know that there’s a lot of people out there, they’re way beyond that, they’re like, they’re ready to go to war, that kind of thing. They’re pissed off! They’re upset about this. They truly hate in that regard. And that isn’t their fault, they have been pushed in that direction.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But just from a strategy kind of point of view, if that’s the right word to use, I think it was Frank Salter who talked about that. He said, and I think it was a good point, he said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em><i>You’re not going to initially get the majority of European people to drop the aspect of equality and compassion. But those are elements that you have to work with.</i></em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You have to steer the conversation, not by coercion, because I think it’s just the truthful past, but you have to show that the long-term picture. That well, due to the compassion and the equality, and all those things that you’re enforcing right now. It is going to turn into a hellish scenario later on! We have to see the long-term picture, not just the short-term gratification that these people feel good, you know, internally, or emotionally. That:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em><i>Oh I did something good today! </i></em>”, or, “<em><i>I help people</i></em>”, or “<em><i>I don’t say no! </i></em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You know:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em><i>I’m pro open borders, and therefore I’m a better person than you! </i></em>” and “<em><i>I’m open hearted and loving.</i></em>” and all that stuff.</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>My point is, no! If you truly were open-minded, open hearted and warm, and have compassion in your heart, and thinking about people’s welfare in the future, you would see the big picture and say:</p>
<blockquote><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“<em><i>No! Wait a minute. This is leading to disaster, and so let’s try to prevent that.</i></em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I’m what I’m saying, Alfred, is just I think that there’s still an unused, untapped territory within this debate in this topic, where we can try to show to our people that what you’re advocating for, if you’re a liberal, and if you’re open hearted like this. That, that path is going to lead to misery and conflict at the end of it. And if we can show that, there is some hope to turn more people over to our side if, you know, what I mean., because I’m certainly, I don’t come from a perspective of hate, although I understand why some people have become hateful, but I think it’s a very important to still appeal to compassion. Still appeal to the traits within us that are unique, to a certain extent, and that are much more open really, than many other groups around the world. What do you think about?</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[51:18]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Yeah. Since my own awakening and really understanding the absolute lies that have been foisted on us, I have, and you’re talking about love and compassion, I have a love and a compassion, and an understanding, for our ancestors, my parents, their grandparents, and so forth. That I never had before.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And before, when I was still mentally ill, because of the indoctrination. I was a zombie okay, I confess, I was a zombie! There’s nothing shameful about that. We are all zombies at some time. There’s very few people that weren’t. And I did not have that respect, I sort of saw my ancestors as they were sort of anonymous, kind of far away. And now since understanding what they have gone through, as Germans, you know, and the expelling out of the east, the genocide, and so forth. And Dresden, and all these things, I have a compassion and an understanding and respect for them I never knew I had.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And it’s like, I think it was Plato had said, that “<em><i>people without roots have no direction</i></em>”. And you have to understand your forefathers to have roots. These are our roots! And somebody who thinks they’re a good person, because everybody is equal, they’re just believing just total nonsense!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I mean, look at the birds. Are all the birds the same? No. There’s sparrows, there’s seagulls, there’s hawks. There’s all kinds of different birds. They’re not all the same! And neither are we! Have you ever seen a pygmy excel at high jumping? And I haven’t. So they’re not equally see. Now, if Europeans and Africans are the same, why is it that the Africans didn’t even invent so much as the wheel, and we invented all kinds of fancy things? Everything!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">When you see Africans walking around now in our cities with the latest iPhone, well good for them. But they didn’t invent those things. They got them given to them by people like George Soros. So, we are not equal! So anybody who says, you know:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em><i>Oh, if you think everyone is equal, you’re a better person.</i></em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I say these people are mentally retarded. They’re mentally crippled. They’re victims of the psychological warfare. They have been contaminated with these lies!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> It’s what is used against us to make sure that we agree with the agenda. They’ve found a kind of code, a mechanism in us, by using our compassion against us, right? They’ve used, to certain extent, our strength against us, and said — it’s not our only strong ability obviously, but it’s a big part of it — and they’ve unlocked that, and said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em><i>You know what, let’s twist and turn the situation like this, and say you’re compassionate if you allow XYZ, and that’s kind of, &#8230; It’s like a code that they’ve broken, right?</i></em></p></blockquote>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[54:00]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Yes. They use our strong characteristics and turn them around so elegantly, slowly over a period of time, and then, until we use it against us. Our women are standing some place with “<em><i>Refugees Welcome</i></em>” <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[signs]</strong></span>. That is absolute suicide! In past generations, had any women done that, they would have been flogged! They would have been thrown out of society. They would have been the most disgusting pieces a crap, pardon my language, but that’s what it is.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And here they are being, by the jewish media, they are being held up in high esteem, as the most honorable people! They are doing something treasonous, that is suicidal. And that is our demise! We are not equal! No. Get that idea out of your mind.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">We are very different, and that’s good that we’re different. We grew up in different geographies, at different rates, at different times. That’s good, we’re all different, there’s nothing wrong with that, you know. And that’s the reality.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And like I said, when things get tight, and things get scarce, and we understand that we are defending the homeland, and the invaders are defending a free lunch, we have a different motivation to get back what is rightfully ours. And that’s what I’m confident that we’re going to do this right!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Right. The last final point on this Alfred, before we start rounding up here.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Obviously the migration, the refugee waves, and all that kind of stuff that we’ve seen, it’s a very kind of, “<em><i>in your face</i></em>” and direct assault, an attack. At these for those who are paying attention. Again <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[laughing]</strong> </span>many others see this as, “<em><i>oh! I’m helping! </i></em>” you know, it’s like Ralph Wiggum.</p>
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<p>But here’s other ways, there’s a cold, if that’s the hot war, so to speak, or a warm war, and there’s a cold war as well. And we just briefly talked about this in the break. For example, what happened in the wake of Charlottesville, stuff like that. A lot of things unfolded after that point. We don’t have to get into all that, it’s a big story. But what triggered that is, of course, that people were basically, they wanted to protest against the removal of statues in the South, for example, in the States. And this is something that happens in many parts of Europe now, as well. The UK have started, I believe Germany is on that path to. Where basically if it’s an old the dead White guy, right, then that needs to be torn down and attacked and stuff like that.</p>
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<p>But, just for a moment, maybe we can talk about what an act of, not only violence, but as you say, it’s colonialism. It’s just full on takeover where, you know, the people who built our countries that have given everyone in that country the fruits of what they have, included those newcomers, that have just come in. The utter disrespect and the utter, I just, it’s disgusting! I don’t know what else to call it. The way that they are tearing down these statues, they’re renaming schools, they’re removing our history. They’re just rewriting it as if these men never existed at all! That’s what I feel it’s about. It’s almost like it is sleight of hand of saying, you know, this never existed! There’s no such thing as a White country! It’s like a Jeddi mind trick, or something.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> This is one of the symptoms of the genocide that is being perpetrated against us! See, if we don’t even respect those people who our ancestors knew were real true heroes, like Robert E. Lee was a real true hero! Now when they take any of these statues down we should be out there by the thousands, or the hundreds of thousands, and keep that statue up! And if you take one down, we put at one that’s twice as big, in it’s place! How can anybody respect us if we have such low self-respect, that we allow anybody — the jews are the ringleaders of those people taking these things down — that is our identity. Those are our ancestors! We are all we are all obliged to be even just only half as heroic, and keep that statue up there!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And like I said, they take one down, we to put one twice as big back up, and another one on top! Like we cannot let that happen. That is our genocide!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Right! Showing some of the pictures here, this is from Dallas. It’s amazing this has happened, in so many places, around the US, right now. They just take these statues down. Here’s a Robert E. Lee Park in Arlington, in Dallas. It’s just absolutely amazing that these boys here, the cops, the suits, they just line up to defend this action. I don’t think they know truly what they’re doing. But I hope that they’re angry. I hope that some know. I hope that some realize.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Because this is the jew!</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>The goyim will be agents, instruments of their own destruction!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">When our security people are making sure they can remove these statues, yeah, it’s like saying:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Let me stick this knife into my heart. Let me just kill myself! And let’s have everybody help me kill myself!</em>”</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">This is our suicide! These are real points, this is a real actionable item if you want to say. Taking down a statue like that should not happen! That should be put back in there, no matter how we do it, we have to get the statues back to where they were.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">What are they going to put there in it’s place? A statue of Martin Luther King, you know, this drinking, partying, sex pervert that they stylized up to be our hero and make a national holiday! Taking our ancestors, our heroes that built the country, down, and putting these perverts in their place? Putting some fagot their place? No, no, no! That can’t be it. If we are that weak and cannot prevent that from happening, then we will deserve the demise that we will be facing.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> All right. Interesting conversation. Lot to chew on here, of course. Let’s see what people think. Lots of interesting points, Alfred. I want to thank you for your time today. It was very interesting having you back and, of course, I want to wish you and your sister the best, in the whatever now, is going to happen. The legal battles.</p>
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<p>I mean, it’s a is an extraordinary situation, and I urge and I hope, no matter if people agree, or not, with the kind of things that Monika and yourself talk about, that they recognize that this is a clear violation of all the things that they claim that they’re fighting for, for other people.</p>
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<p>So it should be a huge free speech issue! There should be number of people just rallying to this cause, getting vocal and loud about it, making sure that they help Monika out of prison and then that she gets not only fair treatment, but that they explain to her, why they’re holding her, and that she actually can reach out to you.</p>
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<p>So, is there anything, last words you like to say about, if you guys have a strategy, legally, to get her out, or what?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">The strategy is there’s no way to get her out legally! We’re going to get her out with pure pressure! People writing letters. Write her letters make sure that, you know, you see through their lies. The address, it’s in multiple blogs. Go to the “<strong><em>We are Monika</em></strong>” blog and the address is there. Write, the political prisoner <strong>Monika Schaefer</strong>, and so forth. You don’t have to write much. Just say, we’re thinking of you, and thanks for your struggle.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/how-you-can-help-monika-schaefer-cover.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-16919" src="https://katana17.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/how-you-can-help-monika-schaefer-cover.jpg?w=500" alt="" width="500" height="774" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">See: <a style="color:#008000;" href="https://katana17.com/wp/2018/01/14/andrew-hitchcock-with-alfred-schaefer-how-you-can-help-monika-schaefer-transcript/">Andrew Hitchcock with Alfred Schaefer – How YOU Can Help Monika Schaefer! — TRANSCRIPT</a></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And we are at war with insanity! Okay? This is a war against thinking, working, people. And if we don’t win, then this earth is going to become a hell hole! So we are trying to basically save civilization, we’re going to do this as peacefully as possible as possible in a civilized way as possible. And jews have the opportunity now to prove that they are actually not guilty, by making an effort to get Monika out! Write a letter, you know, say and write that:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>I’m a jew and I will I think it’s not right and the “</em><em><i>Holocaust</i></em>”, I’m sorry that we’re part of this monstrous lie.”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">That would be a good start and can be very good in your defence when this lie goes over.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I would not want to be a jew at this point in time, if I didn’t do something to help bring the truth out! And that’s about all I can say at this point. Thank you.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Sure, you got it! So there’s the address anyway right there on the screen, but it’s a video right there on the link to the website, that will leave down below, as well. So check that out folks.</p>
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<p>Thank you so much Alfred for coming on. Keep us posted on in terms of what’s going on. I’m really interested in following the case, and I wish you and your sister all the best. And thank you for daring to speak your truth and following through on it. I know that there’s tremendous pressure involved in that. I know it’s incredibly difficult but, you know, for you guys to dare to walk your own path, that’s an extraordinary thing to do in these times of conformity. So thank you Alfred.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> Thank you Henrik. Thank you.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Well guys, that concludes our show. A big “<em>Thank You</em>” to all our members. We are really picking up the frequency of shows and videos, and <em><strong>Weekend Warrior</strong></em> shows.</p>
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<p>Once again, we’re really excited about this year. A lot of good things are in the works and a lot of exciting things are going to happen. We have a lot of plans. So thank you for being part of Red Ice for supporting us for helping us to grow. Take care folks and we’ll be back before you know it! See you soon.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#160; [Henrik of Red Ice Radio interviews Canadian-German activist Alfred Schaefer on the situation surrounding his sister&#8217;s arrest on Jan 3 this year, in Germany, for making a video called &#8220;Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust&#8220;. In Part &#8230; <a href="https://katana17.com/2018/02/04/red-ice-tv-thought-criminal-monika-schaefer-arrested-and-imprisoned-in-germany-part-1-transcript/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">[<strong>Henrik</strong> of <strong>Red Ice Radio</strong> interviews Canadian-German activist <strong>Alfred Schaefer</strong> on the situation surrounding his sister&#8217;s arrest on Jan 3 this year, in Germany, for making a video called &#8220;<strong><em>Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust</em></strong>&#8220;. In Part 1 here, Alfred explains the intellectual journey that both of them took to arrive at the position that Western Civilization is being destroyed by organized jewry through a long term strategy of psychological </span><span style="color:#008000;">and physical subversion, with them, for example, being the power behind the invasion of Western countries by non-Whites.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Part of the subversion of Whites has been achieved through the diabolical lie known as the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8221; that is used by organized jewry as a &#8220;<em>shield and sword</em>&#8221; to draw attention away from its massive crimes against humanity, such as the instigation of the World Wars, 9/11, etc., while also instilling guilt and shame in Whites for their very existence.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Alfred is a tireless and impassioned &#8220;<em>man on a mission</em>&#8221; to alert all to the reality of our dire situation and the forces behind our looming racial and cultural destruction, if we fail to act! I would urge all readers to support Alfred in his work and to help him in exposing the Orwellian situation that his sister, Monika, finds herself in as a &#8220;<em>thought criminal</em>&#8220;, now locked up in a maximum security prison in Germany —<strong> KATANA</strong>.]</span></p>
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<h3 style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;">Monika Schaefer.</span><br />
<span style="color:#008000;"> Stadelheim Prison.</span><br />
<span style="color:#008000;">Schwarzenbergstr. 14<br />
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<h1 style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#ff0000;">Alfred Schaefer</span></h1>
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<h1 class="yt watch-title-container" style="text-align:center;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#0000ff;">Thought Criminal</span></h1>
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<h1 class="yt watch-title-container" style="text-align:center;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#ff0000;">Monika Schaefer</span></h1>
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<h1 class="yt watch-title-container" style="text-align:center;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#0000ff;">Arrested and Imprisoned</span></h1>
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<p style="text-align:center;"> Alfred Schaefer is a German producer whose videos are aimed at exposing the propagandistic nature of the mainstream media. His videos outline how the hostile elite that are in control of much of Western Civilization have managed to subjugate entire populations and their political leadership through psychological conditioning.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">Alfred Schaefer joins Henrik for a discussion about the consequences of challenging the accepted view of the Holocaust. The program begins with Alfred describing what it was like to grow up in Canada with German ancestry amid an accusatory climate of Holocaust remembrance. He describes his sister Monika’s newly found skepticism of the prevailing historical view of the Second World War and her subsequent video productions. Alfred recounts how Monika was arrested in Munich because of her videos that challenged the prevailing mainstream consensus concerning the Holocaust while attending the trial of Sylvia Stolz, a lawyer on trial for so-called Holocaust denial. Henrik and Alfred discuss with incredulity how pursuing historical inquiry can lead to criminal charges and imprisonment.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">In the members’ hour, Henrik and Alfred talk about the fractured nature of facts surrounding the nature of the Holocaust itself and the need for further research. The conversation then addresses the migrant crisis and how it constitutes a threat to Western civilization and how it can be viewed as a destructive companion phenomenon to Holocaust guilt and other Leftist propaganda. The conversation turns to the freefall of the mainstream media, how people crave alternative media sources, and the importance of outlets like Red Ice. Henrik speaks to the risk involved with pursing the truth about the migrant crisis, its origins, and underlying motivators. The discussion then turns to the seeming contradictions of population replacement.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;">Henrik and Alfred go on to discuss the severity of the current geopolitical situation as an existential crisis; the importance of pursuing moderate solutions to avoid widespread conflict; and much more.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#0000ff;">TRANSCRIPT</span></h1>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Welcome ladies and gentlemen. Henrik here with Red Ice TV. Thank you so much for tuning in. It’s always a pleasure having you with us. Today we have a issue of free speech coming to you a little bit over a year ago we had a gentleman called Alfred Schaefer on the show. I think we had him on twice actually, and his sister as well, Monika. We did a show with her. She had actually done a five-minute video that was called, “<em><strong>Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the “<em>Holocaust</em></strong>”. </em>Which was a very good video. It was an honest, very down-to-earth video about her own kind of personal and emotional experiences growing up in Germany <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[Canada]</strong></span>, all the things that she was taught, etc. And<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[01:01]</strong> </span>her basically waking up to a kind of a different story, if you will.</p>
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<p>And this has, in hindsight, caused a ruckus not only, of course, in Canada where she and Alfred was living, but now they’ve gone back to Germany. And they’re it’s, you know, this has intensified, if you will. So we have Alfred back with us on the show here today. And I shall go through some of this and talk a bit more in detail about what actually happened. And I want to Alfred. Welcome first of all, but I want everyone, kind of don’t assume that people know the case. Let’s talk about it from the beginning and what actually happened Alfred.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Good. I’ll just go back to the summer of 2016. Monika was here with Professor Tony Anthony Hall and we did a number of video productions. And what really rocked the boat here was a five, or six minute video that Monika did, one in German, one in English. It’s called “<em>Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust</em>”. And in this video, a very heartfelt video, she explained how she<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[02:02]</strong></span> growing up in Canada as a German. And how the propaganda, when we started being indoctrinated with the propaganda, the people in school like back at that time, the Germans were vilified, really vilified, to the max!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">That was like twenty years after, well that was in the 60s so that was 20 years after the end of hostilities, of what we call World War Two. And Monika described how she experienced that as a youngster in school, when she wore her traditional German dress and how the people mocked her. And then she started reproaching, to she eventually reproached our parents, particularly her our mom, for what the evil Nazis did., because when you are told as a little child these kinds of stories you just assume that you’re being told the truth, you just would not imagine that you would be lied to by those people who you trust who you look up to.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[03:02]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Anything they tell you believe it. I mean, that’s our nature. If you’re growing up and your parents tell you to this, or that you have to believe it, because if you don’t you wouldn’t survive. If your parents tell you don’t go jumping in that pond, because there’s alligators there and you don’t listen, well you get eaten by the alligators. So it’s our nature, our inherent nature to believe what we are told.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And this has been used against us to inculcate us and indoctrinate us with these stories which vilify our own ancestry, our own heritage. So Monika went to her mom and she says:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Mom why didn’t you do something to stop these evil Nazis?</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And so forth. And then later on, not that long ago, she figured out, “<em>well geez this is all lies</em>”. And she told me that once and I says:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>You know, Monika we have to make a video out of that!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So we did that. She wrote a beautiful text. She was here on a visit and she gets in front of the <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[04:01]</strong></span> camera and we made this video, “<strong><em>Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust</em></strong>”.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And it got it really took off well. And then the Israeli, the jews got wind of it. And it was all over the Israeli press it in multiple languages. They were just really:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Wow, you know, this politician Canadian politician denies the “</em><em>Holocaust</em>” in a video!”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And what really shook them, rattled their cage, was there had not been a video of this kind before, where you’re really basically undoing so much of the psychological warfare they have done against us. And this was basically undoing it in one big swoop.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So they were very nervous about that. And they tore her to pieces! And vilified her! And then when Monika went back to Jasper <strong>[Alberta, Canada]</strong>, she had to endure the most extreme ritual defamation you could possibly imagine. And thank God that Monika has <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[05:00]</strong> </span>the spirit that she does, because not many people would have survived that. I mean, she basically lost pretty much all her violin students, and people were strongly:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>No! You’re not welcome here!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">It was just like the witch trials 300 to 400 years ago. Just amazing.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yeah! Exactly! That’s absolutely true and it’s amazing that of course, you know, we don’t even have to get into the mechanics of what it is that Monika actually believes. It’s the audacity that she has come to a different conclusion that other people, than the masses, than the majority. I mean, I we know, of course, that this is punishable a crime in many countries now to think differently about a historical event.</p>
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<p>Which is amazing and it amazing that so few free speech activists come out in support of these people who have come to a different conclusion. And in it’s in this case I think they want to make an example, not only out of her, but we know other scenarios in Germany, like <strong>Sylvia Stolz</strong>, of course. And I forget the older lady’s name now, obviously you, you know.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: <span style="color:#0000ff;">Ursula Haverbeck</span></strong>.</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Exactly. Haverbeck. Thank you. Yes absolutely. So they’ve gone after older women on this now in Germany! I mean, it’s absolutely fascinating., but tell us first, how did, &#8230; Was in Canada did you guys decide to go back to Germany what happened there?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> Y<span style="color:#0000ff;">eah she came she was wondering, she wanted us to, you know, we wanted to connect up again and she has a lot to do in Canada, so she figured sort of on the spur of the moment, she’s gonna go visit Alfred in Germany now at Christmastime. So she gets on the plane, you know, hops over here, and we have just a wonderful time. And I told my comrades here, you know, Monika’s coming and so forth. And then Henry Hoffenmayer says:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Hey, we can go visit the trial of Sylvia Stolz, which is a Munich on the 3rd of January, if your sister’s here. We’ll just have a look at that.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So it’s real spur-of-the-moment decision. We went there, we go there as quiet observers. And watching these proceedings was beyond bizarre. It really is an inquisition! They would refer we<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[07:02]</strong> </span>were sitting in the back there, then in comes Sylvia Stolz and her attorney. And at the front are this decrepit snake of a state prosecutor, and the other people that are in there, which are, you know </span><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[Alfred laughs]</strong>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And then if Sylvia Stolz and her attorney would be, you’re talking about like explaining things, you know, this and that. And no matter how logically and precise they would explain something, the state prosecutor would brush it aside with just a simple, you know, “<em>jibber-jabber</em>” that didn’t even make sense. So this is the nature of an inquisition. An inquisition is like in the old days. They would put you in a sack, throw you out in the water, and if you sank you were innocent. And if you stayed on top, you are guilty and will be tortured. You cannot win in an inquisition. And these trials are an inquisition. There is no hope in hell and they try to bind these people<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[08:00]</strong> </span>in this legal process here. To drain them of all their resources, tie them up.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I mean, if you see these people, how much money they are being paid by the taxpayer and by the poor victim! And it goes days and days and they just, it’s a jibber-jabber nonsense. It’s utter destructive nonsense!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Anyway, we were in that courtroom there and somebody behind us, or beside her, somewhere, said:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Oh that must be Monika Schaefer! I mean, that’s her, we recognize her.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And so they called for a surprise break about 45 minutes into the hearings there. And so we says okay, we stretch our legs, go outside. We step outside the room and then this different state prosecutor comes, accompanied by three very heavily, well armed thugs, kind of thing. And they asked her:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Are you Monika Schaefer? Okay, come over here.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">They took her to the side and they were talking with her, slapped her<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[09:01]</strong> </span>in handcuffs and dragged her off.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right there?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Right there and then! Yeah.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Absolutely! Did you get, I mean, did you guys have any suspicions about this, or like?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">No, no! It was a total surprise.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Not paranoid to show up in public like, after that?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> And the funny thing is, I thought okay they must have, they probably arrested her for things that we had done while she was here., because we had a guy come from France, another, you know, a guy who was, well I hate using the word “<em>revisionist</em>”, a person exposing historical truth. And he came here, because he felt so alone there in Paris.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And when he was here, and he played the accordion, a really good accordion a player. And so Monika and him were making music every day. We were just doing cultural things. And one day we went to Andechs</span> <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[a hilltop Benedictine monastery, church &amp; medieval pilgrimage center with a brewery &amp; a beer garden]</strong></span><span style="color:#0000ff;">, which is a monastery nearby here with a beautiful beer garden and so forth. And we’re in this beer hall and then the brass band came in and it’s pretty filled up with people.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And Monika was</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[10:01]</strong></span> <span style="color:#0000ff;">just so elated with energy, she stood up and gave the Roman salute!</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[both laughing]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">And, you know, what happened? Well somebody else behind her gave the Roman salute! And nobody came and, you know, and says, “<em>Hey you Nazis!</em>”, or anything. And people were chuckling and sort of, “<em>Oh, what’s going on here?</em>” But people were giving us a thumbs up and so forth.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And then, when she was arrested then a few days later at the court, at the &#8220;<em>inquisition</em>&#8221; of <strong>Sylvia Stolz</strong>, I was sure it was for this incident! , but it wasn’t. It was actually for “<em>Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the “</em><em>Holocaust</em>”. So with this, I say this is the most spectacular “<em>own goal</em>” that I have ever seen anybody make! I mean, Sylvia Stolz, they were trying to basically put her, flush her down the memory hole. And they’d love it if Monika would just disappear., but now they have elevated both of these courageous women, right onto center stage on the world stage. And that’s where we need them.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now this might be some discomfort for Monika for a while., but</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[11:02]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">the week that we had here before this happened, she had her batteries charged up to the max with wonderful dialogues we had. The conversations we had. With the cultural events with the Roman salute at <strong>Andechs</strong> there. And the positive feedback she got from that. So it’s good.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And now she knows, she’s very well aware of the importance of the role that she is in right now. And there’s no resolving this in their “<em>jewdicial</em>” system. We to resolve this on the political level. So we are going to amplify this and make it make it as embarrassing as possible for the powers that be. They need to know it is time to come out with a White flag and apologize for all these lies, because they cannot possibly stop it.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">There’s trying to stop it with extreme censorship here. Oh, let me just say one thing. When Monika came here and before her arrest, and she’s doing her her mail, or emails</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[12:00]</strong></span> <span style="color:#0000ff;">and we’re looking a lot on the internet, and she says:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Geez, I feel like I’m in prison already everything! Is censored!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">All the stuff that she could still see in Canada, like videos and so forth, it’s all blocked here. It’s extreme censorship right now. And it’s accelerating. It’s intensifying. So they think, in their hubris, that they can keep the lies covered by censoring., but I always say, if you have a small child at home and you say, “<em>do not look in this drawer here!</em>” And then you go out of the room, where’s the first drawer that the person’s got the child’s going to look in? Precisely that drawer they’re not supposed to look. This is human nature and this our curiosity. And I mean, it’s our nature. We want to know what’s going on around us.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Exactly. Well I mean, the important thing to remember too is, of course, that this is not hurting anyone. This is a victimless crime and it’s a personal investigation, if you will, that someone is doing into a historical event. It’s their choice, it’s not<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[13:01]</strong></span>, you know, hurting anyone else.</p>
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<p>And the fact is that I mean, we know that in Germany this has been made a crime. And I believe that, if I recall the statutes correctly, was basically it has been established by law what the history is. And if you do come with a different conclusion then you’re breaking that law of the established history. And so what has she found out consequently? Are you in communication with her every day, every other day, and what’s the charges and stuff like this? Tell us about that?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Okay, first of all, we are trying to communicate with her. It is not possible. She is completely isolated from the outside world now. She’s not isolated from the other inmates, but she is completely isolated from us and the outside world. We had the Canadian Consulate go there and that was a not easy to get that arranged. But the Canadian Consulate did go there. Actually, as a woman and a man, a consul and the Consul General, or something like that.</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[14:00]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">And then they said afterwards:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Well now, we were there and now we cannot visit her again for six months.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">That’s the rules they have. And they cannot get involved in the legalities. So it’s basically, well this is a dark time in our history, right now, that this is happening.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> And will Canada fight for it? I mean, if she’s not been extradited, &#8230; But how can she end up under the jurisdiction of German law? They haven’t explained this, I would reckon? They just snatched her, and that’s it?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">They snatched her! This is a completely illegal thing! This is outside of law and order as we know it. And, you know, I’ll tell you how obscene this whole thing has become. I was just raided a couple days ago, again, and it is, because of the shitstorm that we’re stirring up with Monika’s arrest. So they’re really unhappy now. But it shows that we’re on the right track, because even uncle Adolf, or Adolf Hitler, he used to say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>If the jews are not attacking you, it’s, because your work is mediocre. It’s not really doing much.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Once they notice you and they start attacking you, it’s, because they are afraid that you are making inroads into their construct of lies. So yeah, that’s where we are now.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> What about Canada? Have they as you said, okay they visited the consulate there, but have they not tried to say:</p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#333333;">“<em>Hey this is a Canadian citizen! You can’t just take him!</em>” right?</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> No! If you look at the Canadian government, they are even more repulsive and they are even lower down than the German government. All of our governments in the Western world right now are about as low as they can get! And that’s a problem now, because they have all been maneuvered into the positions that they find themselves in, because of their corrupt morals. They can be manipulated and they will do as their jewish masters expect them to! And no Canadian government, no German government, no government is going to help her!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">This is something that we have to resolve basically from the bottom. From just a massive awareness. And right now, Monika is one of the most valuable fulcrums that we have to leverage this message out there. Because even those who think that life consists of sitting on a couch watching TV, even some of these zombies will start to understand that when they take somebody, throw her in jail, just arrest her on the spot, throw her in jail, because of a heartfelt apology to her mother!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">At the same time that these hordes and hordes of military-age black and brown men, like a tsunami of them, are flowing into our countries, and they get a free pass to do anything they want! They even get helpers to show them how to get this and get that from our society! They get benefits and somebody who comes to the logical conclusion, because they’ve looked at the evidence they get thrown in jail</span> <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[17:00]</strong></span>. <span style="color:#0000ff;">That is something that needs to be addressed. And this is something that will affect each and every one of us. Nobody is going to escape this imbalance that we have in our system right now.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yeah definitely. There’s a legal inconsistency for sure here. I mean, there are actually victims of rape, etc., that are not getting the aid of the law. The full reach of the law, if you will. There are many people that actually walk free. I’ve heard cases, Lana <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[Henrik’s co-host and wife]</strong></span> did a video just a couple of weeks ago about a few of these cases, where they walk free. And I think some of the judges have said:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“<em>Well they, it’s a cultural, they don’t understand the culture. They just need to be educated, basically.</em>”</p></blockquote>
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<p>So they there let go! But the point is, that’s a clear crime with a victim. In this case, there’s no victim. No one is being hurt. But maybe someone is “<em>offended</em>” by it, right? Because these are awful opinions to have, or whatever. But there’s no victim here! And so the imbalance is just completely out of whack. And it’s clear to me that<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[18:00]</strong> they’re making examples out of these women to make sure that people are scared away from not only looking at this stuff, but basically they should be afraid of thinking for themselves. That’s ultimately what this is about I feel.</span></p>
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<p>And they’ve picked off on this issue because, of course, it’s very important to them for people to be guilt-ridden, and basically have this new theology of guilt and victimhood. And this is the choice, right?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> Absolutely! Now there’s so many facets to this “<em>Holocaust</em>” lie. And right now I think it’s important that I focus all my work now on trying to articulate the big picture. I know Monika, when she was here, we came to the same conclusions. That once you understand the big picture, that the components of this big picture are much easier to understand. And they all make sense! It all falls into place!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">It’s a little bit like if you’re standing really close to a huge picture, like a billboard, and you can only just see the big pixels, or something that</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[19:00]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">are this big and you cannot make any sense out of each of these pixels. But when you stand back and see the whole picture, it all makes sense. And this “<em>Holocaust</em>” thing, you know, some people think it’s just a scam for money. No, no, that’s just gravy that they sort of managed to harvest at this point in time.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But the real, or original purpose of the “<em>Holocaust</em>” was to divert attention away from the massive genocides that took place behind what was, what we used to call the Iron Curtain, under the name of communism. Now for us growing up in the West back then and when that Iron Curtain was still in place. What was behind the Iron Curtain separated us, we were the good people and the democrats, from the evil people. And those were the communists!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now that’s the way that situation was interpreted for us. And it’s only now, in recent times, actually, quite recently for myself and like my sister Monika, and many other people, that we are beginning to</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[20:01]</strong></span> <span style="color:#0000ff;">understand that both sides of this Iron Curtain were run by Talmudic jews, right from the start.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And as so if we want to understand the jewish problem, we have to actually go back, you know, for today’s world, basically to the French Revolution. But the jewish problem actually goes back thousands and thousands of years. And these people have honed their skills in manipulating people, having them at each other’s throats, that they start killing each other off. And the jew is there, controlling both sides, cleaning up and then penetrating ever deeper into the fabric of these peoples that have been at each other’s throats. And that’s what we see now.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Under communism there were genocides on the other side that killed tens of millions, possibly over a hundred million people, of the best people. And most of these were our brothers and sisters, our European kinfolk! They were just like us!</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[21:01]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">And they were butchered, massacred most brutally and — what better way to divert attention away from that, than this crazy “<em>Holocaust</em>” story? Plus, they had to have a way to justify — what they called the Allies, our European people that they manipulated — to bomb the hell out of the heart of Europe, which was Germany. To make sure that they could understand why they did it when they saw the mayhem, by vilifying those people that now lay traumatized and genocided and on the ground.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Just start making making up fantastic crimes and they are too traumatized to be able to defend themselves. And that’s, in a nutshell, what this “<em>Holocaust</em>”, the purpose that it has been.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And now it’s used to keep us — to destroy our ability to defend ourselves, plus it gives the jew a shield behind which he can perpetrate and commit any crime he wants to. And that’s where we find ourselves.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[22:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Now there might be people watching, listening, that don’t kind of know the arguments that you’ve made. They don’t, or agree, or whatever. I’m sure there’s some that are as well. But what I want them to understand is basically, I want them to put it into context, into other events, other similar, as you say, genocides throughout history.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I believe that there’s no other genocide that has occurred that you could be prosecuted for claiming that it didn’t happen. This is, it’s a very unique case, if you will, historically speaking. About what you’re allowed and not allowed to do. And as we know, as I’ve said many times, it’s, of course, worse in Germany, but I just I don’t understand why many of the free speech activists are not coming out in support of people like <strong>Monika</strong>, and <strong>Sylvia</strong>, and <strong>Haverbeck</strong>, and all these other women, and men too, for that matter.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>There’s many men as we know, <strong>Ernst Zündel</strong> passed away not too long ago, of course, he was a big hero, also a Canadian<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[23:01]</strong> </span>citizen. He was, I believe, he was also extradited to Germany and was put in prison there. So this Canada-German relationship is kind of historically there as well in this case. But there should be much more uproar about this. I mean, what about Monika’s civil rights? What about her abusers? What about her her right to think differently? And I mean, and that’s what I want people primarily to focus on. And if they disagree with you Alfred on the historical issue, put that to the side for now, and just think of the case itself, and what it represents.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Because as you say, this is a witch trial! It is that these people have been demeaned and dehumanized, right? And wasn’t that a crime that they’ve said the Nazis did? They dehumanized people and all that kind of stuff? So in a way they’re doing exactly the same thing in depriving people’s right and freedom, because they think differently. And this should be a free speech issue. And why isn’t it? Why is it that no one dares to <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[24:01]</strong> </span>touch this, or what is it, do you think?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">I’ll tell you why people are not speaking up. It’s, because this indoctrination that we have all been victims of, has the same effect on our ability to think as does a lobotomy. Now a lobotomy is when they used to separate the two halves of your brain physically. And they would make out of what they would call violent criminals in the prison system, or something, they’d make them into docile zombies. Because they’d separate the two brain halves.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now this psychological warfare that we have all become victims of to some degree, or the other, has the same effect on us as does this lobotomy. It compartmentalizes your thinking, so that you are not able to think anymore and you have been conditioned to behave like a dog, like Pavlov’s dog.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I mean, that’s where this whole psychological science basically comes from. They wanted to know how we can condition people to behave, to obey in lockstep altogether. And these people are experts at <strong>[25:00]</strong> that. And that’s what they’ve done! We have been conditioned. Actually, our fellow human beings have been conditioned to have an allergic reaction, an aggressive, allergic reaction against those people who reveal the truth. Because as soon as you talk about the facts, the evidence that this “<em>Holocaust</em>” is all bunk, then you are immediately labeled as a “<em>Nazi</em>”, or a “<em>Holocaust</em>” denier!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And we have been taught, through conditioning, that these things are “<em>evil</em>”! So people have been reduced really to, like little children that you can tell them there’s a some kind of a monster, or something, or don’t look under your bed, there’s a golem, or something there. They have reduced us to a very, very low state.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">At the same time, they are telling us about tolerance, and if you want to be a little girl and you’re actually a boy, you can do that and nobody can tell you otherwise. So they’re getting the people confused, full</span> <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[26:02]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">of fear, confused, and reduced to the most basic animalistic level. And they say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Well, if they’re throwing old women in jail for years and years for “</em><em>Holocaust</em>” denial, then obviously, they must be really bad!”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Like, this is how simple their thinking is.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> But now, as they see the reality of our world in free fall, in collapse, imploding, there’s more and more people that are beginning to understand that life does actually consist of much more than “<em>fun and games</em>”. And these fun and games that we have been indulging in, were the distraction to keep us away from seeing what has been going on behind the scenes.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now taking us into these times right now. Look at 9/11! They don’t even talk about 9/11 at all anymore! In any way, good, or bad, or anything! Because they know that everybody’s figured that one out. So they figure, if we just don’t talk about it at all, it’ll disappear out of our memory</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[27:01]</strong></span>. <span style="color:#0000ff;">Because if it’s not covered on TV and radio, or in the magazines, people won’t see it. And they just think it’s not important, because it’s not talked about.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But they do talk about all the time about:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Oh how wonderful when these black men can mate with the White women!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And all the advertising is reflecting that. So yeah, we have to wake up to the biological aspect of the situation in which we find ourselves. And that is basically, in a nutshell, the jew has declared war on the White race! And we are now at five minutes before 12!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">We have to wake up! Understand what’s happening, and come into the healing mode.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And when I see what’s going on in the world today, we are now in that initial phase of the healing. And no organism can heal, until it understands that it’s under attack, identifies the problem and</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[28:01]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">only then can it kick into gear and do something about it.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So that’s why I am optimistic. And I see that, what they’ve done to Monika, they served us that on a silver platter! And I can only say, “<em>thanks jews!</em>” You did a fine job! If the doctor had to prescribe something for us that would have been perfect for helping our cause, then this would have been it! We would have had to pay millions of dollars in advertising to get this kind of exposure to this problem. And they’ve given it to us at the trial of <strong>Silvia Stolz</strong>, and I want to say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Thanks jews! You did a good job!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> I wonder what, normal, so to speak, “<em>normies</em>” think about the case if and when they hear about it. And, as we can see obviously in some of the headlines, she’s already a convicted “<em>Holocaust</em>” denier. Although there hasn’t been a trial, the issue hasn’t been, you know, stated. It hasn’t been sorted out. What does she actually believe historically? It is <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[29:00]</strong> </span>like this, literally like she has some kind of, you know, virus, or parasite! That she’s become smitten with this thing, which they need to keep it at a distance, kind of thing!</p>
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<p>And that’s how they treat people these days. Just as you said, despite the preachment of the times is really, you know, accept those who think differently and you shouldn’t be afraid of the things you don’t understand, and all this kind of stuff. And I’m just so sick and fed up with the hypocrisy of what they’re trying to push in our faces! To get us to accept the kind of things that we don’t like! Of course, we have to be tolerant, we have to, &#8230; But they don’t have to be tolerant at all! See, they don’t have to back down and say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Okay, it’s fine. She’s not hurting anyone. Let her believe what she wants to.</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Right? No! Instead they want to make a case out of her! They want to jail her and stuff.</p>
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<p>But what do you think is gonna happen next? I know this is very difficult for you to predict, if you will, or kind of project, but you have<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[30:00]</strong></span> been raided. There’s been people coming into your home. Tell us a little bit about that, and if there’s been any information shared with you at that point, about what actually is going on, and what they’re seeking to do.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> They are in a panic, because they see their work, they’ve worked like, how many long, 2,000 years, or something, for world domination? They feel they’re so close to it, they can finally, it’s within a reach. But the closer they get, the closer they have this, the more insane they go!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And that’s what we’re witnessing now. And there is no stopping the truth anymore! And you’re just talking about before, you know, there’s a “<em>Holocaust</em>” denier. People have to understand that anybody who still believes in this utter bullshit nonsense, will not be taken seriously. And in only a very, very short time from now, not one person in our civilization will admit that they ever believed this “<em>Holocaust</em>” nonsense!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And yet, like I was in Canada in the summer on a speaking tour, and I just saw the hysteria! Everything seems to revolve around if someone’s a “<em>Holocaust</em>” denier, or not, or</span> <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[31:00]</strong> </span><span style="color:#0000ff;">if there are a White supremacist, or a racist. And that’s all that counts! Nothing else seems to matter.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">You know, people are living in a fantasy world that is a bubble, that’s going to burst! And they have to start to understand the reality of what’s going on around them, because that’s all we’ve got! Now, if we have hordes and absolute hordes of Third World criminals out of the prison systems, of the Third World, coming into our countries, we have to deal with them when everything breaks down. And that’s coming.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And the jew World Order that they’re trying to impose on us is this ridiculous “<em>Holocaust</em>” religion, and you’re supposed to go down on your knees and pray to that every day. And at the same time you are going to be disenfranchised. You are going to be running in your little hamster wheel. And then you’re so exhausted at the end of the day, you lay down, sit in front of the TV, eat poisonous food, drink poisonous water, and then get back in your hamster wheel, and the jew World Order’s controlling everything.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And that’s what the whole thing is with</span><span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[32:00]</strong></span> <span style="color:#0000ff;">the EU and everything. They try to make more and more laws that are making it ever more difficult for the small, you know, the bakeries, the small shop owners, the small farmers, to make it to make it so they cannot operate anymore, because they got a million rules! Always more rules making it ever more difficult for them to operate, so that eventually everything is just huge, great big, collectivized, you know, food productions, factories. And everybody will find their place somewhere as an insignificant little little grain of sand in this huge apparatus. And as soon as you step out of line, you will simply be shut off! You say the wrong word, they’ll just shut off your digital code and that’s it, you can die.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And now the jews actually think they can replace us, who created the civilization, and have these lower IQ people flooding in. Get rid of us, so they’re not threatened anymore. And it’s just a complete total insanity. If we don’t deal with it, then we will actually find ourselves exterminated!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[33:01]</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But, I always say the Europeans have always excelled best when they have been forced to survive, because of harsh conditions. And when this breaks down, we will find ourselves in extremely harsh conditions that today would seem unimaginable, but that will be the test of fire. We survive, or we die! We swim, or we sink! And that’s what we’re facing. And I believe that when these times come, that’s when we will find our true purpose and meaning in life and we will deal with the parasites and the invaders.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Interesting. I want to return to that a little bit later, maybe in the second part of the show., but let let’s deal with this issue here. This article, The Times of Israel, states the following:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Authorities say Monika Schaefer is suspected of spreading hate material on the Internet.</em>”</p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Right? And in the beginning I played the video and, of course, I saw, Alfred. It’s on your<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[34:01]</strong> </span>channel. I’m surprised it hasn’t been taken down, but it has obviously been put in a limited state so people can’t see, or quarantine, as they call it, right? There’s no comments, you can’t see how many views there are, and all this kind of stuff. Has Monika actually, I mean, is this the only video they’re referring to? Or does she have a website herself and released other material, or is it just this video, do you think?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> This video is the one that really rattled their cage. And I’m glad they are sort of focusing on this video, because it is the best shortest piece of material that undoes so much of their psychological warfare, that we have been victimized with. You have to understand the psychological warfare, how it’s a very incremental process and it’s a trans-generational incremental process.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And I’ll go a little bit off-topic here, just to illustrate what I’m talking about.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Sure.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> Now if you took any one of our grandparents, or<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[35:01]</strong> </span>great-grandparents, and if they have to see how their ten-year-old boys are being taught in school. That they can cut off their penis and become a girl, they can be anything they want, our great-grandparents would have gone to that school with their pitchforks, or something! Would have speared that teacher, dragged him outside, strung them up in a tree! And no other teacher would ever dare to do that again! , because they still had healthy morals. And nobody with healthy morals would tolerate ten-year-olds, the most vulnerable of our people, the children being taught anal sex in school, and they can be any gender they want.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And that’s what they have brought us down to! Now the only reason that the parents are not doing that now is, because these parents have been completely demoralized. And their parents were already partially demoralized. So it goes little step by step, incrementally. And Monika’s videos, “<em>Sorry Mom I was wrong about the Holocaust</em>” basically reverse engineers this<span style="color:#008000;"> <strong>[36:01]</strong> </span>psychological warfare. Because she confesses that she actually reproached our mother for not doing something against those “<em>evil Nazis</em>”! And my mom says:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Well, we couldn’t! We never heard anything about that! We just didn’t know. We never saw that.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So here we have, our mom was honest, Monika was honest, and this was the heartfelt apology to her spirit, since she was already deceased. Our mother was deceased. Now the jews have gotten a little bit too greedy. If they would have done this all over a longer period of time, maybe they would have gotten away with it., but they just got too greedy! And that’s what the jews always do.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Like now, I mean, look at what they’re doing now. They’re going crazy with the censorship! , but every time I see censorship happen, it always seems to come back, those indestructible weeds of historical truth come up stronger and more robust than ever before! And that’s what I say is going to happen now. YouTube wants to go into censorship? Well YouTube’s assigning it’s own death warrant! YouTube is just gonna go out of <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[37:00]</strong> </span>business. Who’ll go to YouTube, who’ll go to Facebook if they’re gonna start playing nonsense like that?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">We’re not stupid! Don’t take us for fools! The “<em>Holocaust</em>” is over! If I was a jew, I’d be coming out with a White flag, right today. I wouldn’t waste another day. And if I was a jew, I’d help to get Monika out of prison., because if you jews are going to stonewall and pretend you don’t know, or, you know, a “<em>Holocaust</em>” denier is evil, you guys are signing your very own death warrant! The noose is around your neck. And every every day of resistance, going forwards the noose tightening around your neck! So just get over it. Come out with your White flag.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Now, I think you told us earlier that you were the one who was talking with Monika, showing her a different side of the story, and kind of awakening her to, you know, to some of the stuff that she talked about. Have you, and it’s more of a personal question, but do you regret doing that, considering the situation she’s in?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">Oh no! No!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> And I don’t mean that in a bad way. I’m just saying, &#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">Yeah, I understand completely. I’ll tell you, when people, at the beginning, they would say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Monika! How could you let these bad people influence you like that!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Monika would say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>No, no! Nobody ‘influenced’ me.</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I was waking up, and it started about 10 years after <strong>9/11</strong>, I started waking up to what actually happened on 9/11. And I sent these this information to all my family members. And Monika was the only one who always came up with the right question. She’ll say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Oh! Where did you get that? How do you know? Prove it! Like how do you know? Where’d you get that?</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And the other ones would kind of like, do like most zombies do, they kind of click it away. They just delete it, or something. They don’t want to look there. I mean, you know, when people delete that and put it away, it reminds me of a small child that covers it’s eyes and says:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>Now you can’t see me!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">They’re fooling themselves! We are all, we all have to confront the reality and truth! And Monika always came with the <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[39:00]</strong> </span>right question. She was basically getting up to speed parallel with me, and she’s helped me with stuff, I’ve helped her with stuff. I might have, you know, kick-started her with the 9/11 stuff at the beginning, but she did not resist and she came right up to speed. And we’ve been a team, we’ve been partners in this struggle ever since.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Hmm. Yeah, that’s good. And, of course, as one of the other articles, I think was from “<em>Vice</em>”, of course, they detailed that she was a former Green Party member. She had, I guess she had a lot of people on the Left. And she might have even come from a leftist perspective herself. In the beginning, kind of initially. So I can imagine how difficult it must have been for her when it started, when she started losing her classes <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[violin]</strong> </span>and things like that in the school in Jasper, right?</p>
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<p>And all the people, did they come after her, or did they just kind of drop her as a hot potato? How were her relationships at that point when it started coming out?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">Okay. You started saying about she was a <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[40:00]</strong> </span>leftist. You know, I, we were all leftists! I was a leftist. Most people were leftist. We were basically indoctrinated that way, and that’s perfectly natural. There’s nothing wrong with that., but it’s just now when we see the reality that we understand, you know, that this leftist stuff is bad news for us.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And Monika’s ritual defamation which she had to endure in Jasper was, it was vile! I mean, she used to play music once a week, or something like that in the Jasper Legion, it’s called. And there was a guy there <strong>Ken Kominski</strong> is his name, but he’s all over the internet now, in a very bad way. He just did everything to get her thrown out of there.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But you see, Monika had been a <strong>Green Party</strong> member. She and run for the Green Party in Canada, but had quit that party already a year before making that video, because it was her disgust at the fact that the Party would not deal with the issue of 9/11, and a few other things. So she <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[41:01]</strong> </span>was disillusioned by the hypocrisy of that Party. And, of course, now in hindsight we can see that Green Party, that’s one of the very worst. Here in Germany the Greens are the absolute worst!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yeah, yeah.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> I used to vote for those people. And that’s how blindsided I was! How hoodwinked I was! These are the very worst of the worst., but people in Jasper, they liked the way she dealt with their ritual defamation, since she wasn’t allowed to busk officially and in the streets. Which is, you know, putting your hat down there and playing music and so forth. She just went out with her fiddle and played, just for free, kind of thing. And people loved it! So she had a lot of people who were very happy with what she was doing. And even people that didn’t understand the six million lie, and were believers of that sick religion., but even they would still come to her and say:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>I might not agree with you what you’re saying, but I don’t think what they’re doing to you is right!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">So they see the injustice of what’s <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[42:01] </strong></span>actually happening to her. And I’ve always told Monika that each and every one of those people that are now making your life difficult, are in the future, at some point in time, when you go down the street they will run and hide, or they will come and ask you for forgiveness, for their despicable, disgraceful behavior!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And that’s something that we all have to understand. That us being attacked, I would much rather go to prison, Same with Monika. I mean, that’s why I’m not worried about her. She’s a very strong person and she’ll she knows the role she’s playing. And myself too. If I go to prison, so what? I’ll go to jail! And is going so fast now, that I won’t be in jail for very long before the mob will get me out of jail, or they’ll kill me.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But this lie is over! It truly is! No self-respecting European person can crawl on his knees with this utter nonsense of 6 million dead jews, shrunken heads, soap and lampshades! It is so bizarre!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I’m looking into in turn to how <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[43:02]</strong> </span>they play this game, you know, depending how much time we have., because with the fall of the Iron Curtain, like Auschwitz, we are always told Auschwitz, Auschwitz! The people living in Auschwitz had never heard of anything about a “<em>Holocaust</em>” until after the Iron Curtain came down and then they had a problem!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Let’s get into that in the second segment, Alfred.</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">Sure.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> We’re going to take a little break in a little bit, so I think this is a good time should promote the website before we’re going to that. I want to hear more about that., but obviously one of the ones that were set up was “<em>wir sind Monika</em>” <strong>[wir-sind-monika.com]</strong> “<em>We are Monika</em>”. Tell us about that site and is there any way people can support her now? What can people do that are concerned with this and her future?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> I recommend everybody become familiar with the site “<strong><em>wir sind Monika</em></strong>”, or “<span style="color:#008000;"><em>We are Monika</em></span>”. That should get you there also. And this is sort of a go — to place to see what’s happening with Monika. All the latest updates. Plus we have a lot of links to other websites that have a massive amount of good information about the true history of what we call World War One, and World War Two.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">It’s all in there. That’s the go — to place to find out what’s happening with Monika. And that is actually what had got them so upset, and that is the reason why they sent a team of ten heavily armed thugs into my home to steal everything they could find just yesterday morning.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> What happened with that? Tell us more about that. I mean, they just, what, did they just the break open the door? Did you open it? What happened?</p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> No this is interesting, because it’s always the same sort of woman with her team of thugs there. She comes from <strong>Fürstenfeldbruck</strong>, which isn’t that far. And this time in the summer, last summer of 2017, they came and they basically stormed in here at 6:00 in the morning like, you know, just about broke down the doorbell! And then they stormed in.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But this time they rang at seven o’clock and were very polite. The whole team of them. They surrounded the house first and then they came in. The whole house was full of these people, like ten of them at least, I couldn’t even count them all. And they didn’t take as long as the last time. It only took about, just over an hour. And they stole everything they could find, but I was <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[45:00]</strong></span> preemptively cautious. That’s why I’m talking to you now, I’ve still got my equipment.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I told them the whole time saying:</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>You need to understand, lists are being compiled of all those people who are now being helpers of the system. And you will all find yourself having to explain your behavior when this lie goes over. And it’s just coming down now. It’s in free fall, and this is theft. And this is treason, what you are doing!</em>”</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">“<em>And what do you do when you go home at night? What do you tell your kids what you did? You chased a “</em><em>Holocaust</em>”<em> denier and stole all his equipment? I mean, that’s gonna be an embarrassing thing to explain, because your children are all going to know that this was all a lie. And nobody’s going to admit that they ever believed that stuff!</em>”</span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">But that’s another thing. They don’t even talk about the “<em>Holocaust</em>” in these charges anymore. They actually charge us now, that we are “<em>undermining the trust that people have in our legal system</em>”! Now try to digest that one.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Is that what they told you?</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[46:01]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">That’s what’s written on the papers. That’s what’s written on the justifications for stealing all of our equipment, is that we are “<em>undermining that people’s trust in the legal system</em>”! Now if that isn’t an inversion of reality, I don’t know what is! And that’s what they do with everything. The “<em>Holocaust</em>”, and everything else that they’re feeding us.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">You have to understand this process of “<em>inverting and projecting</em>”. They invert their own behavior, put it on the victim and they project that out there. And they just propagandize that message into our brains. And if we’re dumb enough to believe it, you know, we deserve to get exterminated! , but we are waking up, because we are not really that dumb!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Alright. Let’s take a little break here then., but yeah, I want to send pple over to “<em>wir sind Monika</em>”. We’ll have a link down the description for that. There is, of course, tell us about your personal sites, as well Alfred.</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[46:58]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"> I don’t have any personal sites. I have my videos. I made them all, I basically finished my video career. Now I’m doing a lot of writing and doing talk shows like this one right now., because that is right now, the most effective way that we could the message out there. If I had invested in new equipment after they stole all of my equipment, my cameras, everything! They took everything you could find! Thousands of euros worth! If I had reinvested, it would all be gone now again. That’s why I don’t bother.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I just have learned to operate mobile. I can work here, I can work there. All that I need is a little laptop with an internet connection. That’s all I need now, and that’s all I’m going to be working with in the future.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Okay. Yeah, you have the YouTube channel. We will link to that, of course. People can check out your older videos. A lot of good videos there, a lot of material on, you know, bigger picture, like 9/11, and how the entrainment, how the mind control process works. And stuff like that. Very interesting.</p>
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<p>Do you, just the last point before we take a break here. Would you want to, if you could, leave Germany and go back to Canada? Are you happy where you are, at the moment?</p>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#008000;"><strong>[48:00]</strong></span></p>
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<p><strong>Alfred: </strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">I couldn’t go to Canada! Canada! They are such zombies these people! There are more indoctrinated to be zombies than in Germany. I mean, Germany is pretty bad, but Canada’s even worse! I mean, they are completely brain-dead there! I hate to say it, but I would cry if I have to look at that every single day.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now there’s good people, don’t get me wrong, but the general population is completely and totally, they’ve had their brains rotted out! And that’s a very alarming condition to be in, because they will not survive the coming reality. That is what I’m most concerned about, what used to be my home country. No. I want to stay in Germany right here, even if I go to jail, I’ll still stay here.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik: </strong> Yep, I understand that. Alright folks let’s just take a short break here. We’ll be back more with Alfred Schaefer. All the links down below. Stay tuned everyone, we’ll be right back.</p>
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<p>Thank you for watching, or listing guys. We’re doing a second part with Alfred Schaefer at Red Ice members dot com, right now. Yes really! A second members exclusive hour. It’s been a long time since we did that last. This is kind of the reboot, the reboot premiere of the members hour for our interview shows. This is, of course, something that we’ve started up now again. Since the “<em>hack</em>” we’ve not done a second hour. So this is great getting back into this doing these once more.</p>
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<p>So do make sure that you join us. An intense second part with Alfred, as he holds no bars, as to how he sees the situation with Europe, his sister, censorship, and silencing of Europeans world wide.</p>
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<p>And remember if you’re new to this show, we do let our guests speak on the show and you might not always agree. I might not always agree., but it’s important to give people that are censored and silenced a platform where they can share their views and tell us about how they really view the world, without having to self-censor.</p>
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<p>Now the second segment is also where we speak about some of the things that we sometimes consciously, at this point, pulled off from speaking about, you know, in the first segment, because of the situation with YouTube censorship and, you know, our podcast goes up on other platforms, too. So I explain a bit more about this in the beginning of <strong>Part II</strong>, for members.</p>
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<p>But if you are new, again, just know that we have already been censored from the iTunes Store, and SoundCloud, to mention a few. And also more recently one of these crazy leftist feminists in the British Parliament spoke with representatives from Google and YouTube about censoring, shutting down our channel! She mentioned Red Ice TV by name. So we are careful and concerned about our platform. You know, we have a lot of people on our channel subscribing and obviously we don’t want to be stupid and shoot ourselves in the foot and lose that.</p>
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<p>And what’s more troubling and difficult is that despite the fact that we do not condone, you know, the promotion of violence, and such things. We, you know, these deluded people who want to silence people with different views are claiming that when we speak about our views, about how we see the world, then that is violence and hate! , but it’s not! This is lies! They can’t handle that we are a growing channel, a growing community. People are tuning in, people are liking our content, that’s the problem, right?</p>
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<p>So do make sure that you join us at <strong>Red Ice Members dot com</strong>. You can sign up right now to get the second part with Alfred Schaefer.</p>
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<p>Also, of course, we do excerpts from that show, and we upload those to our YouTube channel. We’ve also when we were down, the member site was down during the hack, we did a few shows in their entirety. So you can check those out to kind of get a few sample shows., but right now, as the member site is back up, the whole show is for members only.</p>
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<p>We have over 1400 radio shows in our archives. We also do exclusive videos, solo videos, if you will, and all the other segments that we produce, it all goes up on the member site.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[[In this very informative interview (100 mins ) Henrik Palmgren talks with a well known Swedish journalist/activist Ingrid Carlqvist. We learn how Ingrid has recently woken up to the central role of organized jewry in destroying Sweden through the pushing of &#8230; <a href="https://katana17.com/2017/05/03/red-ice-tv-ingrid-carlqvist-scandal-in-sweden-when-ingrid-questions-the-unquestionable-transcript/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[In this very informative interview (100 mins ) <b>Henrik Palmgren</b> talks with a well known Swedish journalist/activist <b>Ingrid Carlqvist</b>. We learn how Ingrid has recently woken up to the central role of organized jewry in destroying Sweden through the pushing of the Third World invasion of Sweden.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Prior to this awakening she focused her attention on Muslims, i.e., the &#8220;<em>effect</em>&#8221; rather than the root cause.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">Since her awakening she has even begun to question aspects of the &#8220;<em>holy of hollies</em>&#8220;, the &#8220;<em>Holocaust</em>&#8221; (or &#8220;<em>Holohoax</em>&#8221; as many of us like to call it). As a result, many people who have been supportive of her work have suddenly shown another face and have turned strongly against her — KATANA.]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Ingrid Carlqvist</strong> worked in mainstream media for many years, before starting <strong>Dispatch International</strong> with <strong>Lars Hedegaard</strong> in 2012. She has been a writer for <strong>Gatestone Institute</strong> and co-hosts the popular Swedish podcast, Ingrid &amp; Conrad.</p>
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<p>Ingrid returns to Red Ice to discuss her experience as a journalist telling unpopular truths in Sweden. To begin, she tells us about how she set out to understand why Sweden had become multicultural. Ingrid quickly realized that it is nearly impossible to discuss Jewish influence, as most people – even those critical of Islam – are unwilling to venture into such controversial waters. We then discuss Barbara Spectre, an influential American Jew in Sweden who has called for the end of European civilization through mass immigration from the third world. Later, we discuss Holocaust revisionism, and how Ingrid’s willingness to question – not deny – this historical event has affected her journalism career.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">CONTENTS</span></h3>
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<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-01">Henrik’s Introduction</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-02">Ingrid Gives an Outline of Her “Fall from Grace”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-03">Jewish Ethnic Interests at the Expense of the Majority Swedes</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-04">Ingrid’s Speech at Gothenberg and Jan Sjunnesson’s Reaction</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-05">David Schwarz and His Push for Multi-Culturalism</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-06">Ingrid’s Mission in Life as a Journalist</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-07">Ingrid’s Interview on Spingola Speaks with Deanna</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-08">Spingola Asks Ingrid About Barbara Spectre</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-09">Barbara Spectre’s Infamous Interview and the Role of Paideia</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-10">Attempts to Suppress the Barbara Spectre Interview Clip</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-11">Paideia Institute and Its “Nazi Gold” Blackmail of Sweden</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-12">Paedeia Institute Working with Muslim Organizations in Sweden</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-13">The Crime of Transforming Sweden from a Homogenous Nation to a Multicultural One</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-14">“There is No Such Thing as a Native Swedish Culture”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-15">Your Right to Investigate Accepted History</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-16">Being Called an “Anti-Semite” and a “Holocaust Denier”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-17">Why Do You Want to Dig into the “Holocaust”?</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-18">No Free Speech When It Comes to the “Holocaust”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-19">Ernst Zundel’s Defense Attorney Jailed for Three Years</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-20">Why Ingrid Began to Investigate the “Holocaust”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-21">Shrunken Heads, Lampshades and Soap</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-22">Oprah Winfrey Show and Rosenblatt’s Lies</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-23">Jews Making up Stories for Their Cause</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-24">Spielberg’s Horror Stories for the Whole Family</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-25">Ingrid’s Response — You Need Evidence Not Just “Testimony”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-26">The “Holocaust Industry”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-27">We Have an Obligation to Look into Things</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-28">The “Six Million” Story Goes Back to the Late 1880s</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-29">Four Million Dead in Auschwitz Becomes 1.1 Million</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-30">What Has the Impact of Your Investigations Been on You Personally?</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-31">“&#8230;. the Establishment Are Lying About Practically Everything!”</a></p>
<p><a href="#RedIceIngrid-32">“My Greatest Hope”</a></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Henrik:</strong> Hey boys and girls, welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. I’m Henrik Palmgren. This is Red Ice TV. You have also, of course, a radio version available of this show if you so prefer. Great to have you with us today. We have a special segment together with one of the co-hosts of <a href="https://redice.tv/red-ice-tv/norse-news-episode-1-swedens-titanic-nationalism"><strong>Norse News</strong></a> which I definitely hope you have checked out by now.</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3301-Norse-News.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23995" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3301-Norse-News.jpg" alt="" width="947" height="528" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3301-Norse-News.jpg 947w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3301-Norse-News-600x335.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3301-Norse-News-768x428.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 947px) 100vw, 947px" /></a></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">We’re actually up in the third episode at this point., but we have <strong>Ingrid Carlqvist</strong> with us on the line today. And we’re going to talk a bit about some of the things have unfolded in the Swedish press over the last week, or so. She was basically drawn into a controversial issue of her raising some very important points when it comes to, you know, Swedish multiculturalism and what it is that we really are are faced and what it is that we’re battling in Sweden. You know, when it comes to the transformation of Swedish society. And it’s really important.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">I also just want to mention this that, you know, Ingrid is a very, very talented journalist. I mean, she’s been, &#8230; She’s like a bloodhound, you know, she’s been digging into issues over the years and not let go. When she gets on a trail, she follows through and she catches her prey, so to speak. And in this case it’s really the same thing that has happened. So we were going to try to detail this today and try to outline for you exactly what it is that happened and the kind of chronology of this.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">So, welcome to the show, Ingrid. Thank you so much for a coming on with us again.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Thank you so much Henrik! Thanks for having me.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Henrik:</strong> So tell the audience first what happened and how did this all of the begin for those who haven’t followed the Swedish press.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Well, it actually began, I think, we have to go back to February, when I had a speech in Gothenburg. Some people wanted me to come and speak about a book that I plan to write. And the working title of my book is, “<strong><em>From Sweden to Absurdistan</em></strong>” and I want to, you know, try to understand how did this happen. How did we go from 1965, when our Prime Minister said:</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then ten years later, in 1975, the Swedish parliament decided that Sweden was not going to be a Swedish country anymore, but a multicultural one! And we’ve all seen what has happened since then, so that the focus of my work, what I want to find out is: How did this happen? How did we go in just ten years from a Prime Minister praising the homogeneity of Sweden to Parliament saying that Swedish is not good, we want to be a multicultural country?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And when I, you know, researched this subject I found out that it all started in October 1964 with an op-ed in one of the biggest Swedish newspapers called “<em><strong>Dagens Nyheter</strong></em>”, “<strong><em>The Daily News</em></strong>”. And it was written by a Jewish man called <strong>David Schwartz*</strong>. And he had come to Sweden in 1950, or so. He had been a prisoner in a concentration camp in Germany. And came to Sweden and started his life here.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* <strong>David Schwarz</strong>, born in 1928 in Poland, died in November 2008, [1] was a Swedish-Jewish social reformer and editor. During World War II he was placed in the concentration camps Buchenwald, Nordhausen, Dora and Bergen-Belsen. </span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">Like many other interns in the concentration camps, he was affected by both typhoid and tuberculosis. Schwarz, however, was more fortunate than many other victims and was first admitted to a sanatorium in Germany and later moved to another in Italy where he remained until 1950.</span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #008000;">When the Italian sanatorium was closed, Schwarz was sent to Sweden where he was treated at different places until 1954. When Schwarz recovered, he initially lived on government grants but later came to study at Stockholm University.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And he quite quickly became a figure that people knew about. You know, he was very active, he wanted to do good things for immigrants in Sweden and after a few years he became the editor of a newspaper called something like, “<em><strong>Immigration and Minorities</strong></em>”.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">And in October 1964, he wrote an op-ed in one of the biggest Swedish newspapers where he called for multiculturalism in Sweden. Because as he saw it, the Jews were a little minority in Sweden, but, of course, they had been here for two, or three hundred years, and after the war there came other Jews. But we had a Jewish population, very small, but a Jewish population that had lived in Sweden for two, or three hundred years.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">But he wanted, &#8230; He saw the majority society as a threat to minorities! So his suggestion was that Sweden would turn into a multicultural country, so there would be many minorities in Sweden, so the Jews would not the only minority, so we wouldn’t think badly of them! Of course, I mean, I’m just, you know, shortening it down, but that was really his mission.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yes in a way it’s, I guess, it’s a tactic as an ethnic minority to kind of protect yourself, right? To make sure that you’re not singled out and maybe that you’re targeted and considering then the, you know, the history in these kinds of things, it was a way for them to protect themselves. But, of course, in the wake of this, what they have to recognize is also that then leads to the destruction of a nation!</p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Which can also also actually cause people to be antagonistic towards this kind of behavior, right?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>And what I think that, I’m not sure that he wanted to destroy the Swedish people. I think he was, &#8230; I have actually talked to people who knew him in the 80s and they say that at that point he was not very happy with the mass immigration into Sweden. So maybe, he had remorse, maybe he thought that what he started didn’t really work out very well.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So we have to, you know, think that maybe he didn’t know what he was doing. But if you have an ethnic group, a minority, who wants to have, you know, a better place in society, a better, &#8230; I don’t know what to call it, you know, yeah, a better place in society. That people don’t single you out and so on. So it’s quite normal for you to say that my ethnic group would profit from other ethnic minorities, because the Swedish majority, maybe they will not like the Jews. So, but if we bring new minorities into the country, then they will not just think about the Jews and that would be good for the ethnic Jewish interests.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But what you have to understand, if you do good for one ethnic minority, you will do bad for another, for the ethnic majority! And that is exactly what we see now, forty, or fifty years after his first article about this, we see that the Swedish people are to become a minority in our own country, because of what started in 1964!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And that is what I said in my speech in Gothenberg in February. And there was a person there, <strong>Jan Sjunnesson</strong> and he is sort of a journalist. Sort of a patriot. And he was there to write about my speech for one of these alternative media sites, called <strong><a href="http://avpixlat.info/">Avpixlat</a></strong>. But he never wrote anything! So I thought, okay maybe this was too much for him. Because, you know, there are people who say you can talk about everything, you can talk about mass immigration, you can talk about Islamization, but don’t mention the Jews! If you do that, you are, &#8230;<span style="color: #008000;"> [making a cutting your throat gesture]</span> Like this.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Absolutely! And I was very, you know, nervous before I had my speech. I actually said to the audience, &#8230; They gave me a big applause when I came up to up on the stage. And I said to them:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because I really didn’t know how they were going to react. Maybe they would boo, maybe they would throw rotten tomatoes at me, or something like that.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But, everything went very well and most people applauded very, very hard, you know, and they really liked it. But this person, <strong>Jan Sjunnesson</strong>, he just disappeared, very quickly. And he never wrote about it. So I thought, okay, this was too much for him. He doesn’t want anyone to talk about the jewish, you know, how the jews had some effect on what has happened in Sweden. And so, nothing ever happened, until a week ago.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then he suddenly wrote an <strong><a href="https://sjunne.com/2017/04/21/avstandstagande-fran-antisemitism-i-avpixlat-och-av-ingrid-carlqvist/">article on his blog</a></strong> saying that:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I don’t want to have anything to do with that anti-Semitism that comes from Ingrid Carlqvist and the site <strong><a href="http://avpixlat.info/">Avpixlat</a></strong>!”</span></h3>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3353-Jan-Sjunnesson-article-on-Ingrid-Carlqvist.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24006" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3353-Jan-Sjunnesson-article-on-Ingrid-Carlqvist.jpg" alt="" width="814" height="791" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3353-Jan-Sjunnesson-article-on-Ingrid-Carlqvist.jpg 814w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3353-Jan-Sjunnesson-article-on-Ingrid-Carlqvist-600x583.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3353-Jan-Sjunnesson-article-on-Ingrid-Carlqvist-768x746.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 814px) 100vw, 814px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The site where he works, because they also, they actually had an article with the same content as I said, in my speech in Gothenberg, about David Schwartz and about that article from 1964. So he felt the need to write that he didn’t support me or <strong><a href="http://avpixlat.info/">Avpixlat</a></strong> when they wrote about the thing about the jews.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-05"><span style="color: #ff0000;">David Schwarz and His Push for Multi-Culturalism</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yup. Of course, this is a proposition 1975-26. This is the official proposition that David Schwartz helped to create in Sweden. And, of course, this initiated the process of Sweden slowly becoming and adopting a multicultural, you know, viewpoint and official stance as a country.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And I believe that you’re right when you say that this is, &#8230; What we’re living through today is the not even the final process, but it’s in the midst of the true effects of this proposition that they backed so many years ago.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And you have a similar one, of course, in America the <strong>Hart-Celler Act</strong>, where you also actually had a jew, a part in writing that. It’s just a fact. I mean, it’s like if we can’t talk and discuss about reality of this, I don’t know where to begin with some of these people! Especially, of course, when they’re free speech advocates.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3305-The-Hart-Celler-Act-of-Treason.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23996" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3305-The-Hart-Celler-Act-of-Treason.jpg" alt="" width="695" height="999" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3305-The-Hart-Celler-Act-of-Treason.jpg 695w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3305-The-Hart-Celler-Act-of-Treason-600x862.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 695px) 100vw, 695px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>My point that I mentioned about you Ingrid, is that you’ve been a kind of a blood [hound]! You go on a trail and you follow through on that. You let the truth lead you where it will, right? And in this case, it leads to David Schwartz. It leads to, you know, that person transforming Swedish society. And I think that we should be able to talk about that. I think we should be able to recognize the reality of that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Well, of course! I mean, as a journalist I think that you always have to have the truth, as your, you know, your star, where you’re heading. And it’s been like that for me ever since I was eighteen years old and started in the School of Journalism.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So it may sound pathetic, but that’s really true! I always wanted to find the truth and I’ve never, you know, if everyone is running to the right, I turn to the left to see what is there. Because I really don’t like, you know, when people get into this frenzy where everybody’s writing about, like, for example, pedophilia, “<em>Everyone is a pedophile! All daddies are paedophiles!</em>” and so on. And I really don’t like that, you know! I want to see what is on the other side, because I don’t like when people get, you know, hysterical about something.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And so, I’ve always tried to see where is the truth and I don’t really care about being popular!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-06"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Ingrid’s Mission in Life as a Journalist</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>You know, that? Most people want to be popular. They want to be loved, they want to be liked, they want everybody to, you know, pat your back and say, “<em>Oh, you’re wonderful Ingrid!</em>” I’ve never really cared about that!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">What I care about is, I think I was born with a talent, or some talents. I have a talent for writing in a way that most people understand. I don’t try to write in a very difficult language. I want everybody to understand what I want to tell them. And I also have the ability to speak to people in a way that they understand.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So I think, that my mission in this life is to, &#8230; When I find out some things, when I understand something, it is my duty to tell other people about it. And many times people will say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“We don’t like it! We don’t like what you’re telling us. We don’t want to hear this.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But that doesn’t matter to me, because I need to tell it anyway. And most of the time, and after ten years, or twenty years, they will say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Okay, you were right. We’re sorry we didn’t listen to you!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But that’s okay. I just feel this is my talent in life and this is my duty to do it.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Absolutely! I mean, you’re very, &#8230; I think the truth is the noblest quest one can have. And truth is not always polite, and yes, even from a strategic point of view sometimes it isn’t the correct thing to apply truth. Sometimes we amend it to, you know, preserve relationships and things like this. But as a journalistic, you know, an integrity, as an effort, this surely has to be the at the front line of this, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[15:07]</span><br />
</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So the critique that you received is basically:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“You’re not allowed to talk about this. If this is where things go, it’s off the table. You’re not allowed to talk about it!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I’m wondering, what relationship can we have to a subject like this when it comes to how we became multicultural without discussing and recognizing the reality of the situation?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Because it’s not that these sources that have criticized you, have argued on the points that you brought up themselves and said:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Listen! You’re factually incorrect! This is what happened, blah, blah, blah.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>No! That’s not the case at all. In this case is just, you are now a horrible person, because you have recognized something that we are not allowed to talk about!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Yeah absolutely! And that makes me really, really sad! Because, you know, for many years I have been talking about the dangerous of Islam and Islamization. And lot of people, of course, they called me an Islamaphobe. But, I have had a lot of fans saying that:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Oh, what you’re doing is so important and think about what the Muslims do to the Jews in Sweden. They harass them and so on!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But now, when I found out that there’s something strange going on with how the jews are operating in Sweden, and now, I’m not only talking about David Schwartz and what he did in one 1964. But what the jewish leaders in Sweden — not all jews, I’m not talking about all jews. I’m talking about jewish organizations and jews leaders. Something strange is going on with what they’re doing.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And when I say that, people go crazy! I mean, all the people who said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Oh! You don’t hate Muslims! We understand everything you’re saying. You just want to criticize Islam. That’s your right, freedom of speech!” <em>la, la, la!</em></span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And now when I say, okay, there’s something strange going on with the jewish leaders, you know, they are not scared of the Muslims! They’re actually working for mass immigration into Sweden!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Some other people have said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“That is so good what you doing, just go after the Muslims, or after Islam!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Now they say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“You’re horrible Ingrid! You can’t do that!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But I’m doing just the same as I did all the time! I’m finding out who are the bad guys. Why are they doing this to our country? But, if you talk about Muslims, okay, you will be called an Islamaphobe. But a lot of people will say, “<em>Great! Do it!</em>”</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But if you mention the jews, you know, now it just got into my head, you know, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0"><strong><em>Fawlty Towers</em></strong></a> he said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Don’t mention the war!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3310-Fawlty-Towers.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23997" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3310-Fawlty-Towers.jpg" alt="" width="864" height="643" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3310-Fawlty-Towers.jpg 864w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3310-Fawlty-Towers-600x447.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3310-Fawlty-Towers-768x572.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 864px) 100vw, 864px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> “<em>Don’t mention the war!</em>” That’s right!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Yes, this is the same! Don’t mention the jews! Because if you do that you are, &#8230;</span> <span style="color: #008000;">[making a cutting the throat gesture]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right. Right. And again it’s, you know, it to, but also this aspect of this has to be prefaced, and that’s okay and that’s fine.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You know, we have to talk about this and there’s a lot of sensitivity around this issue and, you know, because of the way that we’re taught and the history we’re taught. We have a special emotional bond, almost like a trauma around the subject, which has made it, as I said, a third rail, one you can’t touch. And if you do, you die!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But the fact is we can discuss, no matter what people think about this, we can discuss the reality of this, we can discuss and theorize. Is there an ethnic interest, you know, from the many other people who push multiculturalism, as we know.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And again, if we’re not allowed to discuss that, I don’t know how to approach people, because it’s the same thing as if we had Islamic factions, which we, of course, we do. But let’s assume that we had them at prominent positions within the media, they were in prominent positions in politics, or lobbying, or these kinds of positions, people like yourselves would have pointed this out! And that’s not a crime to do. It is just recognizing the reality and saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Listen! Here are a lot of people, they’re not Swedish, they have their own group, they belong to their own group — that’s fine — but are they transforming and influencing and changing Swedish society? And if so we are going to talk about that.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>There’s nothing strange about that. That’s not a crime, but my point is, the associations of all of this has now made it, almost become a crime, right? That you see the response, the reflex that people have and recoil in horror when you like dare to address the issue! That is very strange to me. It’s almost like people are almost mind controlled! We’re just talking about the reality of this thing! This is not a crime! What’s going on here?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[19:49]</span><br />
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-07"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Ingrid’s Interview on Spingola Speaks with Deanna</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>This is what makes me very, very sad! You know, first of all, I want to say that I, for many many years, I couldn’t understand how anyone could say anything about the jews. Because I had the image that all jews in Sweden, they were assimilated. I thought they were sweet, they were praying to another god, but most of them were secular. They didn’t really believe in God, so I felt there was no difference.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I really didn’t, this is I must tell you, all these things aside, as I told you I have, you know, written about things that nobody else wanted to write about. Fathers being accused of incest and so on. Really, you know, the stuff that doesn’t make you popular. But the thing about the jews, I couldn’t even think that there was something like this going on! And the first time I ever heard about this, was in a radio interview with a station called, I don’t know <strong>Deanna Spingola</strong>, or something like that?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah, <a href="https://spingolaspeaks.net/"><em><strong>Spingola Speaks</strong></em></a>. I remember that. I actually listened to<a href="https://spingolaspeaks.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/2013-05-13-spingola.mp3"> parts of that show</a>, it’s funny though, because this is what you’re getting at. You went through a similar realization yourself.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3313-Singola-Speaks-Archives.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23998" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3313-Singola-Speaks-Archives.jpg" alt="" width="690" height="690" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3313-Singola-Speaks-Archives.jpg 690w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3313-Singola-Speaks-Archives-600x600.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 690px) 100vw, 690px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Yep!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> A lot of this material was not, &#8230; It was brought to your attention sometimes by, almost in a hostile way, you know, in other times it was just, “<em>Hey Ingrid! Look at this! What’s going on here?</em>” You know, curiosity right? What’s going on here?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But tell us about the radio show before we can listen to a clip here.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-08"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Spingola Asks Ingrid About Barbara Spectre</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Yes, she sent me an e-mail asking if I and my code editor Lars Hedegaard wanted to be on her radio show and we had just started <a href="https://www.e-pages.dk/dispatch/2/"><em><strong>Dispatch International</strong></em></a> and we thought, well okay, that’s good, if someone in America wants to listen to us and what we want to do with this newspaper, fine! So I didn’t really do any research, you know, what is this <em><strong>Spingola Speaks</strong></em>, I just thought, oh that’s a radio station and that’s okay.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3319-Dispatch-International.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23999" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3319-Dispatch-International.jpg" alt="" width="1391" height="1054" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3319-Dispatch-International.jpg 1391w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3319-Dispatch-International-600x455.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3319-Dispatch-International-1024x776.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-3319-Dispatch-International-768x582.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1391px) 100vw, 1391px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And she called us up and we sat, actually together in Copenhagen, me and Lars Hedegaard, and we talked, I think for one hour about the mass immigration and the problems with Muslims and Islam. And then suddenly she says:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well, what about Barbara Spectre, the jewish person in Stockholm, and what she says about multiculturalism?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And we were, you know, like looking at each other and said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“What? Who? What are you talking about? Who is Barbara Spectre?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And she said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“You must know!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">She said, sort of their big jewish leader and she says that Europe has to become multicultural, if they don’t do, they will die! And that was that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“We don’t know what you’re talking about!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then she played the clip and I think you have what happened after that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yes, should we play the Barbara Spectre clip first and see for those who haven’t seen it?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Yes.</span></p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-09"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Barbara Spectre’s Infamous Interview and the Role of Paideia</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> So check this out folks:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Barbara-Lerner-Spectre-6352.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21524" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Barbara-Lerner-Spectre-6352.jpg" alt="" width="649" height="493" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Barbara-Lerner-Spectre-6352.jpg 649w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Barbara-Lerner-Spectre-6352-300x228.jpg 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 649px) 100vw, 649px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ#">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ#</a></p>
<div id="watch-description-text" class="">
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>NARRATOR:</strong> There are people in Sweden who support Israel and have a deep sense of the injustice of the present situation. It is these people who give hope to those who do believe that things will get better here. One of them is Barbara Spectre, a former American who made Aliya* and then ten years ago, with the help of the government of Sweden set up a non-denominational institute of jewish learning with the Greek name of Paideia, here in Stockholm. She believes that the current wave of anti-semitism in Sweden will pass. And that jews have an important role to play in a country undergoing profound change.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>SPECTRE:</strong> “<em>I think there’s a resurgence of anti-semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we’re gonna be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.</em>”</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;"><span style="color: #008000;">[* Aliyah (aliyah, “<em>ascent</em>”) is the immigration of Jews from the diaspora to the land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael). Also defined as “<em>the act of going up</em>” or as in progressing towards Jerusalem. It is one of the most basic tenets of Zionist ideology. The opposite action, emigration from Israel, is referred to as yerida (“<em>descent</em>”). The concept of Aliyah (return) to the Holy Land was first developed in Jewish history during the Babylonian exile. During the Jewish diaspora, Aliyah was developed as a national aspiration for the Jewish people, although it was not usually fulfilled until the development of the Zionist movement in the late nineteenth century. Large-scale immigration to Palestine began in 1882. Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, more than 3 million Jews from over 90 countries have ‘<em>made Aliyah</em>’ and arrived in Israel. <a style="color: #008000;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah</a>]</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> I mean, that’s pretty bold right! That’s a pretty bold statement. I don’t know how she can talk, in one sense for all jews, which she does, but I guess, she knows something we don’t. But should we listen to the reactions of you and Lars at the program, right? It’s pretty interesting.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Please do.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Let’s listen to this, here folks.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Deanna:</strong> Barbara Spectre. And she’s promoting multiculturalism in Sweden. She set up an organization there ten years ago, to do that. And she says people are pretty upset about it, and they’re pretty upset at the jews, because jews seem to be the ones who are promoting it. And that’s why there is so much anti-semitism in Sweden.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> But that’s not true Deanna. Because nobody has heard of this Barbara Spectre and, you know, we have problems with anti-semitism, but that is not from the natives Swedes. The new thing that’s happened is that we have so many Muslims in the country now and they hate jews! You know, that. That’s part of their so-called religion, and especially in my town, Malmo, the Jews are fleeing from the town, because they can’t walk outside with a kippa, for example, because Muslim youths are throwing stones at them, calling them names and harassing them in all ways! So, the anti-semitism is not from native Swedes, it’s from Muslims from all over the world that are now staying in Sweden.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> So I mean, that’s true on one level, right? That there are actually, many jews in Malmo that have been forced to leave, but it’s not the Barbara Spectre’s that are affected by the policies that they are incorporating, or pushing on Sweden, right?</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> To tell you the truth when I was that clip, when she sent that clip to me, I was in shock! In total shock! I had never heard anyone, Swede, or jew, or Muslim saying anything like this. It’s absolutely preposterous what this person is saying! She actually says that we need to become multicultural, and the jews are going to be in the forefront, and they will be resented, because the Europeans won’t like it. But this is the only way, because if the jews don’t go, you know, fixing this multiculturalism, Europe will die!</span></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-10"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Attempts to Suppress the Barbara Spectre Interview Clip</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> How is that? This is not prefaced, of course, in this documentary, it’s a clip, by the way, that we watch from, I think it’s an Israeli Broadcasting Company and they were actually vehemently going after anyone who actually reference this clip, for the longest time on You Tube.</p>
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<p>There’s even a court case in Britain right now, referencing one of the videos where Barbara Spectre is mentioned in. And I believe it’s still her and some other people trying to get Google and You Tube, which Google owns, to stop all of these kinds of clips from being out there. But she is the one who said it! We were not saying this! This is her words! Right?<span style="color: #008000;"> [laughing]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Absolutely! And what I thought, when I first saw it, after Deanna Spingola sent it to me, you know, I was in shock, but I thought, who is this person? I had never heard about her. I mean, I am a Swedish journalist, if she was an important person I would have heard about her!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right.</p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-11"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Paideia Institute and Its “Nazi Gold” Blackmail of Sweden</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> But! That was not the case.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Afterwards, when I started to research this person, I understood that she was the headmaster of a jewish learning institute called <strong>Paideia</strong>. Now she just resigned, just a few months ago. They changed the headmaster. But she was the headmaster for more than ten years.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And how did this <strong>Paideia Institute</strong> happen? What, why did it come to be? Well, it was like this. The jewish organizations in Sweden, they said to the government, again and again:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So the Swedish government, they actually did two, or three, investigations into this to see was it true. Did the central bank actually deal with looted gold? And the answer was, again and again, no! There was no proof of this! But these jewish organizations they didn’t settle for that. So finally the government decided that they were going to give this jewish organization forty million kroner. That’s about four million dollars.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Wow! Amazing!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Yeah. Not, because of looted gold, because that was no looted gold! But as a gesture of kindness!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> It’s bribe money, right? It’s blackmail frankly, emotional blackmail!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Yeah! And what I have found out, and this I will publish in a few months, but I will give you a preview of this, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Nice.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> I found out that, when they were negotiating with the Swedish government, they told the government:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“If you don’t give us this money. We have, behind us, we have the World jewish Congress.</span><br />
<span style="color: #0000ff;">And if you don’t give us the money, we will tell all the world that Sweden is anti-semitic!”</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Oh god!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> That’s how they got the money.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So they gave them fourteen million kroner, four million dollars, and they set up this institute of Paedeia. And this person as they said in that clip, that she was born in America and then she went to Israel. And her husband was a rabbi and he got a job in Stockholm synagogue. So that’s why she came to Stockholm. And she needed something to do as someone <span style="color: #008000;">xxx [?]</span> .</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Let’s make Sweden multicultural! That’ll be fun! Let’s do that! <span style="color: #008000;">[laughing]</span></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-12"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Paedeia Institute Working with Muslim Organizations in Sweden</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> So, yes she got to be headmaster of this <em><strong>Paedeia</strong></em>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And since then she has been working so, you know, intensely to do everything to make Sweden more multicultural. And what is really also shocking, you know, I have written so many articles about the Muslim harassment of jews. Which I think is horrible! Horrible! I don’t want people in my country harassing people in the streets, just because they wear a kippa, or a Star of David, or whatever! I don’t want that!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So I’ve been writing a lot of articles about that. But what is actually going on now, is that the Paedeia Institute, Barbara Spectre’s institute, they are working closely together with Muslim organizations in Sweden. They have, I don’t know if you have the picture where <strong>Barbara’s Spectre</strong> and someone who is a boss of a Muslim organization, they’re all standing together doing the <em><strong>Tawheed</strong></em> thing, finger. You know, one God.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Geez.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> There is only One God. A lot of Muslims and jews, they think that we Christians, we don’t believe in One God. The Trinity, they believe that we believe in three gods.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Yeah. So yeah, that was a horrible experience finding out who Barbara Spectre really was, and what she has been doing is Sweden for so many years.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And she has, you know, gone under the radar for so many years! No Swedes know about! But her institute, they have connections inside the government, so they know exactly what to do! They know exactly how to pull the strings and get what they want! And they don’t need to be known by Swedes. They prefer not to be known by Swedes.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> You’re right, I mean, it’s about holding power more behind the scenes and not being out in the open. Because this clip that we watched, from the <strong>Israeli Broadcasting Company</strong>, or agency, or whatever they’re called, it was never meant to be for the consumption of every, you know, European out there.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> No.</span></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-13"><span style="color: #ff0000;">The Crime of Transforming Sweden from a Homogenous Nation to a Multicultural One</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> This was for their own television show, of basically tracking, monitoring, like what is it like for jewish people in Sweden? is it good? And also in line with what David Schwartz kind of advocated for. You know, the more multicultural it is, the better it’s going to be for our group. Because we can kind of, you know, we’ll blend in, we’ll not be the only one the group that’s targeted, and these kinds of things.</p>
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<p>Although there’s a price for, I guess, what you should we call them, lower class jews? That, for example, live in Malmo, where they actually are targeted in these kinds of capacities. By Muslims on the street when they see that they wear their yarmulke, whatever.</p>
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<p>But it’s not about that. It’s about the bigger more important goal it seems like almost, of making sure that Sweden is forever transformed! And we go from a ethnically homogenous nation to a multicultural one. And look at the damage!</p>
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<p><strong>I mean, Ingrid, for Christ’s sake, and to everyone out there listening and watching this. Ask yourself; why are we not supposed to be able to talk about this?</strong></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Yeah.</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Why are we not be able to recognise that this is what’s happening? And those who have themselves, not us, they have declared themselves our enemies! They are saying, somehow it’s wrong for us to just be remain Swedish in our own country! And that we, I mean, she doesn’t preface how we’re going to survive with all these people. It’s actually quite the opposite. We’re actually demographically in decline, because of it.</p>
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<p><strong>I see this as a crime! This is a crime towards humanity! It’s a crime towards Sweden, turning it into this very, incredibly, unsafe country! And she should be held responsible for her advocacy of this!</strong></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Absolutely! And what I really fear, because I am sure, I know that so many, you know, normal Swedish jews, the ones who are not in the lead are not chairman of the different jewish organizations, not rabbis in the synagogue and so on. Normal jews! I’ve talked to quite a few of them, they are really, really scared of what is going on in Sweden. They are scared of these Muslim mass immigration and they are scared that they’re going to be beaten up and so on. But, if you ask them:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">They all say:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And I wonder why? Why are they so scared? Okay, you can say, most Swedes are scared too. We don’t want to talk. A lot of people, Swedish don’t want to talk, because they’re afraid that they will lose their jobs and so on.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But if are a minority in a country and you see that things are going wrong, where should you have your loyalty? Why, if these jews, who are scared of Muslim immigration, they’re scared to be beaten up and so on, why don’t they go with the Swedes? Why do they go to the leaders of their synagogues and their organizations who are doing exactly what they are afraid of?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And that is something that, you know, scares me, because I will always thought Jewish people in Sweden, they were Swedish. They were just like, okay we pray to another god and so on, but we are Swedish first and foremost!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And when I hear them saying that they don’t want to talk about it, I have to speak to the rabbi, or some other person who is in charge of what the jews think! Then I get scared. Because this is not how you build a country, this is not democracy, this is not, you know, solidarity between the people and it makes me scared.</span></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-14"><span style="color: #ff0000;">“There is No Such Thing as a Native Swedish Culture”</span></h3>
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<p><strong><span style="color: #333333;">Henrik:</span></strong> Yeah, definitely. And there’s other examples Ingrid. Let me just talk about this for a moment.</p>
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<p>We had another official working, actually working for the Swedish government, telling us that there is no such thing as a native Swedish culture, you know! And again I found out it’s not, I didn’t go look for the stuff. It was just these people, you know, come with their ridiculous accusations against us as a people and then I find out that this woman, Ingrid Lungfaust <span style="color: #ff0000;">[sp]</span> , she is, just happened to be educated in Jerusalem at the <span style="color: #ff0000;">xxx</span> university there.</p>
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<p>She is jewish, she was trained at the Hebrew College in Boston and she’s even the general secretary at the jewish synagogue, or the jewish community in Stockholm. And she in one of her speeches said, talking about these points of, you know, she’s head of “<strong><em>Living History</em></strong>”, as it’s called in Sweden, telling us that immigration is nothing new.</p>
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<p>We’re all a consequence of immigration and there isn’t actually any domestic, or like native Swedish culture. I mean, this is what, &#8230; It’s like, stay out of this! Why are you talking about these things? I mean, it’s such a radical, you know, attitudes here! She’s sitting in front of the Swedish King, even, who’s at this lecture with her. Lecturing us that there is no Swedish culture! I mean, what the hell is this!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> It’s preposterous! Who does this woman think she is! Standing in front of the Swedish King and Queen and saying:</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> “<em><span style="color: #0000ff;">Ever</span>ything is from abroad.</em>” I mean, I was sick! I was sick when I saw the King and Queen, you know, clapping!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah! Exactly!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> And it is absolutely crazy! And this woman, I think that she believed, because this has, &#8230; You could you could do this for so many years in Sweden. The Swedes never protested. They could say anything about us:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And all we said was:</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">This has been going on for so many years! So I’m actually not surprised that she thought that she could stand in front of the King and the Queen and say there is no such thing as a Swedish culture! But actually, that blew up in her face! Because, a lot of Swedes, they, you know, they just got crazy when they heard her. Because people, I mean, we might be very docile and very, you know, banged down in our shoes, or whatever you call it in English, &#8230;</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Passive to a certain extent. Yeah.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Yeah. This actually made the Swedes really angry!</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: Good!</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> So it was all over the news the next day, that:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Why? What is she talking about? Of course, there’s a Swedish culture!” and so on.</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So she actually, the next day, she had to go out and say:</span></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah, yeah. It’s amazing Ingrid, that they have gotten away with it so long. But they’re not doing that anymore.</p>
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<p>But, for a moment then, go back to this point you were talking about. About Specter and your reactions to these kinds of things. And again you ended up on a on a trail where you basically started, you know, questioning certain things and discovering certain aspects and saying, “<em>What is this?</em>” you know, “<em>Is there any truth to these rumors?</em>”, because as you said initially, you were basically, you know, shocked, but you were also kind of standoffish and like:</p>
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<h3>“No, this woman <span style="color: #008000;">[Barbara Spectre]</span> doesn’t hold any power, it’s a moot point. It doesn’t matter, doesn’t apply!”</h3>
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<p>But then the more you looked into it you realized that she’s not the only one, there’s many others, &#8230;</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Yep.</span></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-15"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Your Right to Investigate Accepted History</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> And there is a trail here, there are people and, you know, I see it as your right to investigate historical instances! I see it as your right to come to your own conclusions when it comes to information! We’ve seen in the past, how dangerous it is when people accept, you know, government propaganda and bans on history and telling it’s people this, or that, for whatever political, you know, gain. And it is up to us.</p>
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<p>It is up to journalists to question and look into these kinds of things. But unfortunately the climate has been so restrictive and so hard around certain things, that, you know, they’ve started to legislate against it. And this is really the battle that we are in right now when it comes to, you know, freedom of speech on, not only Facebook with all these fake news accusations, but also YouTube and on Google and these kinds of things.</p>
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<p>And, you know, I’m one who basically wants to open up the issue of free speech to anyone who wants to question. I think that anything goes in this matter, as long as it doesn’t, you know, physically hurt people, or whatever. That none of this mental stuff that some people are hurt emotionally by what someone thinks or whatever. That is bullshit!</p>
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<p>But, I think Ingrid that we should be able to question these things and present the evidence to people and say:</p>
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<h3>“Listen! Don’t take my word for it. Look into it for yourself. See what conclusion you can come to.”</h3>
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<p>And that’s the stance that you’ve held in this all along. But see, that’s not enough for people! You are to be morally lambasted! You’re to be morally shamed for your position, isn’t that right?</p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-16"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Being Called an “Anti-Semite” and a “Holocaust Denier”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid:</strong> Absolutely!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So what happened after this person that I told you about before, Jan Sjunnesson. When he wrote this a blog about me being an anti-semite and so on, &#8230; Then it’s all, you know, it’s just spinned off. And people are saying all sorts of crazy stuff and then suddenly, I was a “<em>Holocaust denier</em>”!</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Because someone said, I wrote an email to her and asked her about the “<em>Holocaust</em>”, and she said:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well, there are some strange things that doesn’t fit, that doesn’t make sense.”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So then, I was a “<em>Holocaust denier</em>”!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then it just, it just sort of spun off, and I had no way of stopping it! So in six hours I was the most <em>“horrible Holocaust denier</em>” in Sweden.<span style="color: #008000;"> [Henrik laughs]</span>.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I never “<em>denied</em>” the “<em>Holocaust</em>”. I don’t know everything about the “<em>Holocaust</em>”, but, what I do know, is that now I know a lot more than I did a few years ago! Because like, you know, the rest of Westerners, I always believed that what I was taught in school was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then, when I started my journey on this, which started with Barbara Spectre. And then, when you start looking into something, then you get curious and you want to look at another thing. And then I found things that didn’t add up, and I said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“What is this! ? Could it be that I have, that ‘I’, the person who wants to dig into everything, this has been a blind spot for me? That I could never, ever, &#8230;”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If someone had told me that there might be some things about the “<em>Holocaust</em>” that don’t add up, I would have said, five years ago:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“You’re crazy! You’re horrible! You’re a Nazi! Go away!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Could it be, that me, the brave journalist who wants to look into everything, was there a blind spot inside me? Something that made me scared, so I couldn’t look at these things?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Then I really got angry with myself, because that’s not the way I look at myself. I want to be brave! I want to look into everything, BUT, of course, I’m not stupid! I know that this is the most dangerous topic of all!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[45:34]</span><br />
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<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: Right! And, you know, we, I’ve questioned why that is. I frankly, personally haven’t seen the level of seriousness behind it, because, let’s just face it, people are not this scared to discuss whether Stalin murdered, you know, sixty million, or twenty million, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, we don’t have to get into the mechanics of this. I’m just trying to put this forth as a as a exercise of us being able to look into history, to question history, to lay forth dissident opinions, contradictory opinions, and say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“What’s going on? Let’s come to our own conclusions around this. And let’s look at that data which we find interesting. Which held out of the mainstream and these kinds of things.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I think it’s worth it for the sake of accuracy, for the sake of truth, for the sake of really knowing this guilt cloud that’s held over us today. That, as soon as we begin to organize as an ethnic group and have interest, supposedly that always turns into some “<em>Holocaust</em>” right? So, we have to be able to question this, shouldn’t we?</p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-17"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Why Do You Want to Dig into the “Holocaust”?</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid</strong>: Of course, and that’s why I think, &#8230; I mean, many people tell me:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Why do you want to dig into the Holocaust? It’s so many years ago. It doesn’t matter today! Just leave it alone! If there was something wrong about the story, just leave it alone, it doesn’t matter!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But I think it does matter, because everything we do today, if we, as you said, if we try to organize ourselves, &#8230; If we say:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I am Swedish, I’m proud to be a Swede. I love my country! Sweden is the country of the Swedes and I want us to take our country back!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Then, I will always hear:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Oh! So you want another ‘Holocaust’? ! Is that what you want! Your a Nazi! Everyone who is a patriot, a nationalist is a Nazi. And that leads to wanting to gas the jews!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: Right, right. It’s just silly.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid</strong>: That is why I do think it’s important! Even if it’s so many years ago, it is important. Because, you know, every time you try to say, “<em>I love my country</em>” then they always come<span style="color: #008000;"> [up with]</span> the “<em>Holocaust</em>”.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: Yeah, you’re a Nazi! Right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid</strong>: Yeah</span><em>.</em></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-18"><span style="color: #ff0000;">No Free Speech When It Comes to the “Holocaust”</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: So, you are going to do what the National Socialist did, you know, supposedly. And then you’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Okay, well let’s just talk about that then and see what is the crime. Is it true?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But despite all those things it doesn’t equate to that. It doesn’t equate to that we want to do the same thing that the Nazi Germany did in the 1930s. It’s a different time, it’s seventy years ago, it’s not applicable., but they are so paranoid about this, that it’s almost like they just can’t leave it alone! You know, it’s always back to that point! Always back at that point!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But regardless, I just think out of sake of accuracy and truth that we should be able to question this. As we know Ingrid, in some countries it’s against the law to question these things. People actually end up in jail. They were imprisoned! I mean, if there’s a topic for free speech advocates, this would be THE topic for this issue! And I know it’s very emotional, it’s difficult. It’s all these different things, but the fact is I don’t think that you should legally, or rather legislate, against people’s inquiry into a historic event. I just don’t see the function of that, to be honest.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid</strong>: No. And, you know, it’s just a few years ago that I really understood how forbidden it is in Germany to even say that I have doubts! I doubt some details in the story of the “<em>Holocaust</em>”. That’s forbidden! And when I really realized this, I was so shocked. And I said:</span></p>
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<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Germany is a democracy. They have the rule of law. It’s supposed to be free speech and everything.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">How is it possible that people are thrown in jail in Germany for saying:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I studied this and I came up with another conclusion?&#8221;</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">How could that be against the law!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And if you could show a little clip where it shows that even the lawyers who defend the people who said that something is wrong in this picture, they also get thrown in jail!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #008000;">[50:08]</span><br />
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-19"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Ernst Zundel’s Defense Attorney Jailed for Three Years</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: Yeah, absolutely. Let’s take a look at this folks.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>MC</strong>: <span style="color: #800080;">Let me briefly explain with whom we are dealing with. This defense attorney has the courage of the lion. She is stronger than a man, and I have never met a woman with such a profile. She bravely stood up and took it upon herself to defend Ernst Zundel in the famous case against him, for so-called ‘<em>Holocaust denial</em>’. She was the trial lawyer of Ernst Zundel. During the legal proceedings she provided evidence to the court, which could raise doubts regarding the official account of history.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">This caused furor in the courtroom. And she was prohibited from speaking any further. This speech-ban was ordered as she was presenting the arguments of the defendant. She was not allowed to argue the case, and barred from listing more evidence. She ignored the speech-ban and continued to submit evidence. And was to threatened on pain of penalties if she persisted.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">As it became too much for the authorities, she was arrested right there in the courtroom during her defence of the so-called ‘<em>Holocaust denier</em>’ Ernst Zundel.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">But not even this could silence her, as she continued to speak the case of her defendant while being forcefully removed from the courtroom. For this she was imprisoned for almost three and a half years, in spite of her having no previous convictions. Arrested in the courtroom and directly into prison.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">On top of this, she had to face 5 years of ‘<em>berufsverbot</em>’ through cancellation of her license to work as an attorney, and was removed from the Association for German Lawyers.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">They threw her out, but we would like to carry her into our midst.<span style="color: #008000;"> [cheering]</span> I urge you to help her along.<span style="color: #008000;"> [applause as Sylvia Stolz goes to the stage]</span> We are talking about a legend here. Making headlines across Europe. Welcome Sylvia Stolz<span style="color: #008000;">. [shaking hands]</span></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Sylvia Stolz</strong>: <span style="color: #800080;">Thank you for the warm welcome. Ladies and Gentlemen, dear friends. I’ll say it again, thank you for the warm welcome.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">I would like to begin my presentation with one sentence, with which I also intend to end it. I believe that in this sentence, the very essence of being human is unfolded.</span></p>
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<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">“To think what is true, to sense what is beautiful and to want what is good, hereby the spirit finds the purpose of a life in reason.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800080;">This is a quote from Johann Gottfried von Herder, &#8230;</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: So, Ingrid this is a very important case, <strong>Sylvia Stolz</strong> in Germany. And she was, as the clip explained, a defense attorney for <strong>Ernst Zundel.</strong> There was a big trial called, “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZnFH2LjMBI"><strong><em>The Great Holocaust Trial</em></strong></a>”. It’s still on YouTube. I definitely recommend people to look at that one. Very interesting. It’s one of the only trials that have ever been. And there was a remarkable amount of evidence that came out.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I know that there was another lawyer in Canada at the time which I forget the name of<span style="color: #008000;"> [<strong>Doug Christie</strong>]</span> that also was included. And he was also a free speech advocate in Canada and knew a lot of things., but Sylvia Stolz as pointed out here, of course, has been imprisoned! Just for defending her clients! I mean, what is going on here? This is remarkable!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4048-The-Great-Holocaust-Trial.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24010" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4048-The-Great-Holocaust-Trial.jpg" alt="" width="658" height="555" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4048-The-Great-Holocaust-Trial.jpg 658w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4048-The-Great-Holocaust-Trial-600x506.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 658px) 100vw, 658px" /></a></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid</strong>: Well it’s absolutely horrifying! I mean, a lawyer is supposed to speak out for her defendant. She is supposed to make the best speech ever for her defendant, the person that she is representing. And in Germany it is forbidden for a lawyer to try to make her best for the defendant!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">She was actually, &#8230; If you are defending a person who denied even part of the “<em>Holocaust</em>” you don’t need to, you know, deny everything about the “<em>Holocaust</em>”. I don’t remember what Ernst Zundel’s case was, but, for example, let’s say that you don’t believe in a tiny piece of the story. Let’s say that you don’t believe in the soap and the lampshades. If you say that, you can go to prison! And if you have a lawyer, the lawyer can’t defend you! The lawyer is forbidden to say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well, there is some jewish historians who said that this is absolutely not true!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If she says that, if the lawyer says that, she will go to prison! What is this? In Europe? In our days? What is going on? When I found this out, I got really, really, scared. And I thought, there is something here that doesn’t add up., because if everything is true, why would you be scared of someone, you know, scrutinizing the evidence? Why would you be afraid if, you know, that everything is true and solid, why would you say to someone:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;"><em>“</em>It’s forbidden to say something about it.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And why would you say to the lawyer:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“You can’t defend your client!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: Right! I mean, truth shouldn’t fear any investigation, as they say., but you don’t think that there would be a problem with this, but as you’ve kind of stated already, in Germany it’s a law according to what happened and so if you question that law then it’s illegal by technicalities. So, of course, it’s a specific kind of circumstance in Germany. And some of the other Central European countries.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It’s not as bad in Sweden, as far as I understand it., but it’s still bad enough when it comes to the social ostracization that happens and that occurs when people start, you know, to question these kinds of things. So, you know, Sylvia Stolz is a good example of what could happen if you just basically try to defend someone who has questions about this kind of stuff.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>What else was it that you looked at that made you, because as you say, I mean, people say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Well, okay. Now you’re a ‘Holocaust denier’.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Which is, of course, a straw-man argument. It’s going to the furthest extreme that you possibly can, to try to basically demonize you as a person, instead of saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“What do you actually say? What do you propose?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I see the line:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Are you ‘Holocaust denier’, kind of like, ‘when did you stop beating your wife’?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Like, there’s no way out of the situation. You’ve never denied that there wasn’t a campaign to, you know, round up jews in Germany in the 1930a, or that they, you know, lived, you know, through horrible conditions, or anything like that.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid</strong>: No.</span></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-20"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Why Ingrid Began to Investigate the “Holocaust”</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
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<p><strong>Henrik</strong>: There’s other aspects of it and it’s testimony, and things like that. What do you think people should reasonably, question? What was curious to you when you started looking into this?</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[55:20]</span><br />
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Well the thing was that, you know, as all other westerners, I was told in school that, this and this happened and it’s the most horrible thing of all! And I remember as a child I asked my parents:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Why they did they do this? Why did Hitler hate the jews? Why did the Germans do this?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I don’t understand this! Just because they believed in another God? And the only answer I got was.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well, they went crazy!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And, you know, I think this is what they want you to believe. They want you to believe that all the Germans they suddenly got crazy! The jews never did anything and Hitler was crazy, and he made all the German people crazy!</span></p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-21"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Shrunken Heads, Lampshades and Soap</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But there was something that was stuck in my heart like, I don’t really understand it. I always need to understand why things happen. But for a lot of years I just shut it out, because it was, you know, it’s too dangerous to even get close to it. But what actually happened, when it started with the Barbara Spectre clip. Then I got some other clips and I went out on YouTube and I found other things, and then I realize there are some aspects of this “<em>Holocaust</em>” story that doesn’t add up!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">For example, a lot of people still believe that the Nazis made soap and lampshades out of dead jews. This story has been debunked since, I think, many years by jewish historians, among them, Deborah Lipstadt. Who’s famous, because she was in a trial with “<em>Holocaust denier</em>” David Irving.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So Deborah Lipstadt and some other jewish historians, they have proved that this story about soap and lampshades, it’s not true! And even though they did it, most people still believe that the Nazis made soap and lampshades out of jewish bodies. And if you say to people that that is a lie, they go crazy on you. Then they start, you know, saying all sorts of horrible things to you. And it’s it doesn’t even help if you show them that jewish historians have said that this is a lie! This never happened! And they just don’t want to believe you.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> You know, there’s more, in like the accusations of the shrunken heads. I don’t knw if you saw that, that supposedly during the de-Nazification period they paraded all these objects, including the lampshades, as we can see here, but also shrunken heads! That the Nazis had nothing better to do [laughing] than to do, you know, these kinds of bizarre experiments after fighting a two front war, and basically are collapsing in on themselves. They have the time to, you know, shrink heads and do all these weird things, and it’s just preposterous!</p>
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<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/London-Forum-Alfred-Schaefer-1900-Buchenwald-display-table-lampshade-shrunken-heads.gif"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23919" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/London-Forum-Alfred-Schaefer-1900-Buchenwald-display-table-lampshade-shrunken-heads.gif" alt="" width="801" height="637" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Image] A display of shrunken heads, tattooed skin, and a lampshade allegedly made from human skin being displayed at Buchenwald concentration camp, by the Allies for propaganda purposes. The table itself was apparently made from compressed jews, in what was then called, &#8220;<em>jew board</em>&#8220;.</span></p>
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<p>And there’s other things surrounding this too, which I think proves that we should be allowed to question the so-called survivors, or eyewitness testimony! Because obviously, the reasoning dictates itself, none that are alive to tell the story we’re killed!<span style="color: #008000;"> [laughing]</span> Right? That’s the logical conclusion with it! So they’ve seen something, or something with which which were resembles these kinds of things. Were there any of these eyewitness testimonies that stood out to you, Ingrid? As preposterous?</p>
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<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-22"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Oprah Winfrey Show and Rosenblatt’s Lies</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Well, of course! I’ve seen a lot of them and, of course, I’ve seen the Henry, or what’s it called Rosenblat? He was famous. He was on the <strong>Oprah Winfrey Show</strong> telling the whole world about how his later wife, she was standing outside the fence of Auschwitz and throwing apples at him! And the whole world said:</span></p>
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<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Oh, what a fantastic story!”</span></h3>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then we found out that it was just a lie!</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[59:45]</span><br />
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> So let’s play that here.</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>Announcer (male):</strong> The survival in the Nazi concentration camps. A story that is genuinely extraordinary! But as he explained to us in this exclusive interview he felt he needed to make things up to get people to pay attention.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>Announcer (female):</strong> The Greatest Love Story Ever Told on this show!</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>Announcer (male):</strong> <strong>Herman Rosenblat</strong> received international attention for his story about being a hungry little boy in a Nazi concentration camp, who was thrown apples every day by a little girl on the other side of the fence. Years later according to this story, Rosenblat met that same girl on a blind date in New York City and he proposed on the spot.</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>Roma Rosenblat [wife]:</strong> They used to come by every day, bring the apples in my jacket and a piece of bread. And he used to say:</span></p>
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<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;">“I’ll see you tomorrow!”</span></h3>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>Announcer (male):</strong> The story landed Herman and Roma Rosenblatt on Oprah twice, and in newspapers all over the world. They also got a book and movie deal! But the story wasn’t true!</span></p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>Announcer (male):</strong> Why did you do it? Why did you tell such a big lie to so many people for so long?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #993300;"><strong>Herman Rosenblat:</strong> It wasn’t a lie! It was my imagination. And in my imagination, in my mind, I believed it.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> What more can you say Ingrid? I mean <span style="color: #008000;">[laughing]</span>:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“In my mind I believed it!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So therefore, whatever, it’s real right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-23"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Jews Making up Stories for Their Cause</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>But this is actually scary! Because I have talked to jews, today, and talking to them about how come that again, and again, we see Jews talking about someone carving out, you know, the swastika on their doors and so on. And then the police find out that it wasn’t true. They did it themselves!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Andrew-Hitchcock-Monika-Schaefer-Hey-Rabbi-Whatcha-Doin-Hey-Look-everybody.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24093" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Andrew-Hitchcock-Monika-Schaefer-Hey-Rabbi-Whatcha-Doin-Hey-Look-everybody.jpg" alt="" width="1200" height="675" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Andrew-Hitchcock-Monika-Schaefer-Hey-Rabbi-Whatcha-Doin-Hey-Look-everybody.jpg 1200w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Andrew-Hitchcock-Monika-Schaefer-Hey-Rabbi-Whatcha-Doin-Hey-Look-everybody-600x338.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Andrew-Hitchcock-Monika-Schaefer-Hey-Rabbi-Whatcha-Doin-Hey-Look-everybody-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Andrew-Hitchcock-Monika-Schaefer-Hey-Rabbi-Whatcha-Doin-Hey-Look-everybody-768x432.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And when I talk to Jews, they say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well, it doesn’t matter, because even if this wasn’t true, there is so much anti-Semitism, so it’s good that someone does it to point to the anti-Semitism!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And, you know, I get, &#8230; I just, &#8230;</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“What are you saying are you actually condoning people, you know, lying and making things up, because you think you have a bigger goal?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And to me that is just like a crooked cop, you know, planting evidence, because he knows that this guy is the killer! So if we can’t frame him, if we can’t get him into prison, then more girls will be killed and raped and so on. So it’s a good thing that I plant this DNA, or something like that. And we will say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“No! That’s not the way to do it. You’re a crooked cop! You can’t do this!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">But Jews, some jews, not all jews, but some jews, they think it’s good! Because even though it wasn’t true, they did the swastika themselves, but it was a good thing, because there was so much anti-Semitism! So it’s a good thing to “<em>pretend</em>” that this was true, because then the whole world would see how great anti-Semitism is!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right! Exactly! The Nazis are out there, it’s happening, this is really dangerous, you know, aspect, so we can basically kind of just add on a little bit to show people that it’s really their, right? But from our point of view then you’re like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Oh well, okay, well what else is wrong then, right? What else is an exaggerated, or what else can we should we be allowed to question here?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Because, you know, there are a lot of other testimony too, and I think we can take a look at a couple of them to just kind of see, &#8230; Like people can make their own conclusions. We’re not trying to, you know, instill in you and tell you what to think about these things, we just want you to look, look honestly at these things and make up your own mind. And question, are these viable, you know, testimony, or is this reality that they’re describing here? Or are these exaggerations, right? So let’s take a look.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[64:05]</span><br />
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4054-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24011" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4054-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt.jpg" alt="" width="1190" height="876" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4054-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt.jpg 1190w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4054-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt-600x442.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4054-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt-1024x754.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4054-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt-768x565.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1190px) 100vw, 1190px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-24"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Spielberg’s Horror Stories for the Whole Family</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Irene Zisblatt):</strong> The whole time I was in the camp through the experiments, every time I was selected I swallowed the diamonds. So every time I swallowed them, I had to find them again. We were allowed to go to the latrine once a day, and I never sat on the hole, because I had to go and find my diamonds. And when the SS woman walked by the door and she saw me in the corner, and I already had the diamonds in my hand. And usually I was waiting until on the way back I would rinse them off, like in the mud, or if there was no mud, in the soup that we were going to get next. But I had no time, and I had to swallow them.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Realist-Report-Interview-Eric-Hunt-1809-Zisblatt-The-Fifth-Diamond.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-22490" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Realist-Report-Interview-Eric-Hunt-1809-Zisblatt-The-Fifth-Diamond.jpg" alt="" width="731" height="473" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Realist-Report-Interview-Eric-Hunt-1809-Zisblatt-The-Fifth-Diamond.jpg 731w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Realist-Report-Interview-Eric-Hunt-1809-Zisblatt-The-Fifth-Diamond-600x388.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 731px) 100vw, 731px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female):</strong> Everybody’s telling you, they told us:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Don’t eat, don’t eat, because it’s hard to die when they give you the gas, because your stomach is so full!”</span></h3>
<p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4055-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24012" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4055-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg" alt="" width="1197" height="867" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4055-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg 1197w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4055-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-600x435.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4055-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-1024x742.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4055-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-768x556.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1197px) 100vw, 1197px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Narrator (male):</strong> Shyfler visited a German pharmacy after the war to buy some soap:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4056-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Shyfer.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24013" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4056-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Shyfer.jpg" alt="" width="1199" height="877" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4056-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Shyfer.jpg 1199w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4056-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Shyfer-600x439.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4056-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Shyfer-1024x749.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4056-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Shyfer-768x562.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1199px) 100vw, 1199px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Shyfler):</strong> And this was six months after the war! They were selling jew soap! Made from jew fat from the concentration camps! So tell me, who were the Germans!?”</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>British interviewer (female):</strong> Now when you got to Auschwitz with your mother you said she went into what you thought was a shower room, but actually it was a gas chamber!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4057-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24014" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4057-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg" alt="" width="1204" height="872" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4057-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg 1204w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4057-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-600x435.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4057-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-1024x742.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4057-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-768x556.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1204px) 100vw, 1204px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing gray jacket):</strong> We walked in, we were trembling. A little while later water came through. Ice-cold water, wonderful! We drunk it, we were so dry and thirsty. And we showered ourselves, and then the water stopped, we came out of there. And the women who worked there, screamed:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Oh you are alive! How wonderful to see you!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And was embracing us! I said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“What are you told? Why you so shouting?<em><strong>&#8220;</strong></em></span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">They said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Don’t, you know, where you have been?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">I said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“No, where?”</span></h3>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“You were in the gas-chamber!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing a black jacket):</strong> It’s just like a room. You can get a shower. With a shower-head and tiles. Made us strip naked. But, you know, that it’s not water coming out, but gas!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4058-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24015" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4058-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg" alt="" width="1193" height="863" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4058-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female.jpg 1193w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4058-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-600x434.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4058-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-1024x741.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4058-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-female-768x556.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1193px) 100vw, 1193px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing white pullover):</strong> We knew we were going to the gas chamber. But, by some miracle. I don’t know how, what then, water came down instead of the gas!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (male wearing blue shirt):</strong> There were signs there on the wall that you should tie your shoes together, and hang them up with your clothes, so that<span style="color: #008000;"> [when]</span> we come out of the … these disinfections, you can find them again. There were shower-heads in the ceiling, but never did any shower, any water come out of them. They were just to camouflage, of their real intentions.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4059-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-male.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24016" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4059-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-male.jpg" alt="" width="1192" height="871" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4059-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-male.jpg 1192w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4059-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-male-600x438.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4059-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-male-1024x748.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4059-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-male-768x561.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1192px) 100vw, 1192px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing white pullover):</strong> By some miracle, I don’t know how, what, then, water came down, instead of the gas!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Dr Edith Eva Eger):</strong> We didn’t never knew when we took a shower, whether water is going to come out, or gas!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4060-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Edith-Eger.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24017" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4060-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Edith-Eger.jpg" alt="" width="1193" height="866" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4060-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Edith-Eger.jpg 1193w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4060-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Edith-Eger-600x436.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4060-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Edith-Eger-1024x743.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4060-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Edith-Eger-768x557.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1193px) 100vw, 1193px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Irene Zisblatt):</strong> So they said, for every person that’s going to take their lives, they’re going to torture to death, five of us!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Irene Zisblatt): </strong>Then they punished us for every man that ran to the wire, they took a hundred inmates and they killed them in front of everybody, as an example.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">They didn’t even let us die when we wanted <span style="color: #008000;">[to]</span>.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4061-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24018" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4061-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt.jpg" alt="" width="1186" height="867" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4061-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt.jpg 1186w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4061-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt-600x439.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4061-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt-1024x749.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4061-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Zisblatt-768x561.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1186px) 100vw, 1186px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Voiceover (Eric Hunt):</strong> Spielberg’s character exaggerates twenty times from her original story, but screws up, and still holds up the same amount of fingers.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Dario Gabbai):</strong> You put about four <span style="color: #008000;">[bodies]</span>, &#8230; It takes thirty, thirty to forty minutes to burn them.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4062-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Dario-Gabbai.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24019" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4062-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Dario-Gabbai.jpg" alt="" width="1197" height="873" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4062-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Dario-Gabbai.jpg 1197w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4062-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Dario-Gabbai-600x438.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4062-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Dario-Gabbai-1024x747.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4062-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Dario-Gabbai-768x560.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1197px) 100vw, 1197px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Voiceover (Denier Bud):</strong> That would take more like four hours. He lies about the cremation rate to obscure the fact that fifteen ovens isn’t enough to handle two-thousand bodies. And when that’s established, the overall number of half a million, can’t be true either.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">Because “<em>Holocaust</em>” historians tell us that Crematorium II wasn’t in operation until spring 1943 and ended in November 1944. It was only supposedly in operation for a year and a half.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">They tell us that five hundred thousand people were killed in this building. But, because of the slow cremation rate, that’s not enough time to kill that many people. Fifteen ovens would not have been enough, even if they had been these computerized ovens.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">So the first thing to notice is incredibly bad design. Two-thousand jews go in here, go through this narrow passage, into the gas-chamber.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">Why not have it be above ground? This is the dressing-room, and this is the gas-chamber; and have four large doors between, so that five-hundred people can go through each door, totaling two-thousand. Then four large doors open up on the right side where there is a conveyor belt that takes the bodies to a blast-furnace. When the bodies here are removed, carts on wheels are then brought in for the heavy job of moving the seventeen-hundred remaining bodies to the conveyor belt.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“<em>Carts on wheels</em>”, because even a smaller man of a hundred and thirty-five pounds is equal to three plates in the gym, which is draggable, but slow going, and one would get tired quickly.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">So how did they do it in this one hundred-foot, elongated-room? If say, they had seven-hundred bodies left to haul out, down at the end of the gas-chamber, and had to move them seventy-feet to the door?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Interviewer (female):</strong> So, when they would open the doors of the gas-chamber, whose job was it to take the bodies out?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Dario Gabbai): </strong>Well, they, they give us some… umm, canes. You reverse the cane and put them in their <span style="color: #008000;"> [mimics putting hook of can around his neck]</span>, and you drag them out. Because when the gas, they get very, very tight and it takes a long… a lot of force to be able to drag the bodies from the gas-chambers. You know, to put it in the elevator going on the second-floor.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[70:01]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Voiceover (Denier Bud):</strong> Dragging with canes instead of using wheels? Not believable!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">There’s also the bad design of taking everyone underground just to have the problem of then taking all their bodies back up to ground level.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4137-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Aussie-guy.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24026" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4137-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Aussie-guy.jpg" alt="" width="1191" height="855" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4137-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Aussie-guy.jpg 1191w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4137-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Aussie-guy-600x431.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4137-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Aussie-guy-1024x735.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4137-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Aussie-guy-768x551.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1191px) 100vw, 1191px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (male with Aussie accent):</strong> The crematoriums were not big enough, and they could only burn about a thousand bodies each day. But in the pits, they could burn up to fifteen thousand! In the three pits, they were very large pits, around six to eight metres long, about two metres wide. And at each pit they threw in a thousand people! And it only took a few minutes to burn them completely! Maybe, thirty minutes, and they were completely burnt, or partly burnt. There were still a few hands, or feet that had fallen out to the side, and we had to put them back on the fire!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Irene Zisblatt):</strong> And a lot of us were lucky enough to be selected for work. I was selected for experiments. Fifteen of us one morning were selected. We had to undress outside. And we had, this doctor, this German doctor examined our body and what, &#8230; They were, &#8230; They took us out, because we had no blemished bodies. They wanted people with smooth skin and no blemishes on the skin.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Interviewer (female):</strong> Do you remember the name of the doctor that gave a [word unclear]?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Irene Zisblatt):</strong> No, it could have been Eichmann, it could have been Mengele. You know, after a while they all look the same.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And then finally we got to the fourth experiment, the third experiment. Which was, they selected the five of us and they, &#8230; Again with the smooth skin.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And she said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Well I hate to tell you this, but I think that, umm.. Ilse Koch, &#8230;”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">That was taking the human skin and making gloves and lamp-shades, that she was coming to Majdanek to select her, her material for the lampshades. And we had the skin for it. And she said to me:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Let’s go back to the barrack and not go here.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And I said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Well, are they going to let us do that?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And she says:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“No! They’ll gonna kill us! But it’s better to die here, than going to Majdanek and let them skin our skin.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">I said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“They’re going to skin our skin? Why?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And she said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Because there is a SS woman and she is a maniac! She has to be a maniac to do this! She likes human gloves made out of human skin, and lampshades, and God knows what else she, she does!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing patterned gray and white top):</strong> But there was an active underground in Auschwitz. And every day the women who worked in this gunpowder, with gunpowder in the factory, they smuggled out pinches of gunpowder, in very special crevices, in their bodies.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">The news reached us, by way of the grapevine<span style="color: #008000;"> [smiling]</span>, that the reason we no longer can work in gas-chamber, in crematorium number four, is because it was blown up, and put out of action! We, we were jubilant!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4138-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-gunpowder-and-music.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24027" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4138-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-gunpowder-and-music.jpg" alt="" width="1187" height="858" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4138-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-gunpowder-and-music.jpg 1187w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4138-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-gunpowder-and-music-600x434.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4138-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-gunpowder-and-music-1024x740.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4138-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-gunpowder-and-music-768x555.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1187px) 100vw, 1187px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing red top):</strong> See they had a live orchestra, jewish people played live orchestra. And whenever a transport came, a new transport arrived — and they were making the selection and burning people — the music played!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">Many times, for a long time, when I would hear music, I started to cry! People couldn’t understood why, and I love music. You can see I have lots of tapes and things, but, because I always remembered.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">So, the barbarism! Can you imagine killing people and music playing? And with Mengele and with others, nurses were giving injections for xxx, because it wasn’t always the gas-chambers. I was told this, I didn’t experience, because when I came, unfortunately they had the gas-chambers. But before, they used the gas-vans, they gave injections. You know, in the heart.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4139-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-bayonetting-babies.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24028" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4139-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-bayonetting-babies.jpg" alt="" width="1185" height="861" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4139-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-bayonetting-babies.jpg 1185w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4139-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-bayonetting-babies-600x436.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4139-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-bayonetting-babies-1024x744.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4139-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-bayonetting-babies-768x558.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1185px) 100vw, 1185px" /></a></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing black top):</strong> But suddenly SS, who was guarding me, you know, they had bayonets on their <span style="color: #008000;">[rifles]</span>, and they ran up after the child. And he caught the child, he tore out the bottle of water, throw it away, and he tossed the child in the sky and picked it up on his bayonet! And he smashed his head against the wall!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[75:30]</span><br />
</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px; text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[sound of piano playing]</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4142-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-nailed-in-the-head.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24030" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4142-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-nailed-in-the-head.jpg" alt="" width="1187" height="863" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4142-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-nailed-in-the-head.jpg 1187w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4142-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-nailed-in-the-head-600x436.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4142-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-nailed-in-the-head-1024x744.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4142-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-nailed-in-the-head-768x558.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1187px) 100vw, 1187px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female wearing pink top):</strong> They needed that long nails <span style="color: #008000;">[gesturing with her hands about 30 cms (12 inches) apart]</span>. At that size. And my little finger thick <span style="color: #008000;">[the thickness of the nails]</span> … and they nailed it in my head <span style="color: #008000;">[gesturing the nail being hammered into the top of her head]</span>. That was hurting like crazy! I was screaming! And I was going in a coma. And then I finally came out and there was that nail in there<span style="color: #008000;"> [in her head]</span>. The Nazis did their <span style="color: #008000;">[were]</span> fleeing. So they nailed us to the boards, or hung us. I was hanged like that at the wall … and there was a chain here <span style="color: #008000;">[gesturing around her neck]</span> , that is made out of knives. So when you moved you cut yourself! That’s why I have that cut here on my chin<span style="color: #008000;"> [pointing just under her chin to no obvious mark]</span>.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female in red top):</strong> You know, some of the British jews who have beards would put, put on a kerchief. So they would hide the beard because, &#8230; I remember the first time when I saw, &#8230; They was pulling the hairs one by one. Another time I saw that they were, &#8230; They cut just a half, and then leave the others, just to mock us.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Interviewer (female):</strong> Can you describe for us the very first thing you remember when that door opened up to the wagon?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Dario Gabbai):</strong> The first thing that I remember is that the SS always is:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;">
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Schnell! Schnell! Schnell!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">Right, &#8230; We got into line and there was Mengele. Was there, making the selection. Always with his two fingers.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Irene Zisblatt):</strong> I think that<span style="color: #008000;"> [scratching her head]</span> was Mengele that took me out of there. And he just attached me to that xxx, and I went to the gas-chamber. And as I was going into the gas-chamber, &#8230; You know, everybody was being pushed into the gas-tank, to the gas-chamber. And I was going backwards, somehow I was being pushed backwards, &#8230; And I was like stuck in the door. And I don’t know, I guess God told me to do that.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (female in red dress):</strong> Mengele stopped me, with his stick, and said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;">
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“You! Come here!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And I came, and he said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;">
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Are you jewish?”</span></h3>
<p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4146-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Megele-and-blonde-braids.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24032" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4146-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Megele-and-blonde-braids.jpg" alt="" width="1195" height="868" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4146-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Megele-and-blonde-braids.jpg 1195w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4146-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Megele-and-blonde-braids-600x436.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4146-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Megele-and-blonde-braids-1024x744.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4146-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Megele-and-blonde-braids-768x558.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1195px) 100vw, 1195px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">And I was very tall for my age, I think that’s why he noticed me, also I had thick long, blonde, braids … and that was the typical Aryan girl, you know, the German ideas of the pure race. So that’s why he asked me if I was jewish, and I said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 30px;">
<h3 style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">“Yes, of course, I’m Jewish”.</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;">So it’s such an insane thing to remember this, that Mengele who was sending thousands and thousands and probably tens of thousands to their death. Stopped and took time out to save my life at that moment, simply because I was blonde, and I had long braids and I had blue eyes, and maybe I looked like the Aryan ideal.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Voiceover (female):</strong> Dr Joseph Mengele, the notoriously evil Nazi doctor was looking for entertainment. The girls in the barracks volunteered. The only accomplished ballerina among them: Edith.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Dr. Edith Eva Eger):</strong> And I ended up dancing for Dr. Mengele! But I closed my eyes and I pretended that I was dancing the Romeo and Juliet at Budapest opera house.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4149-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Menegel-and-Ballerina.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24033" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4149-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Menegel-and-Ballerina.jpg" alt="" width="1190" height="860" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4149-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Menegel-and-Ballerina.jpg 1190w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4149-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Menegel-and-Ballerina-600x434.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4149-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Menegel-and-Ballerina-1024x740.jpg 1024w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4149-Spielbergs-Horror-Stories-Menegel-and-Ballerina-768x555.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1190px) 100vw, 1190px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Interviewer (female):</strong> That dancing for Mengele saved your life?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Former inmate (Dr. Edith Eva Eger):</strong> It did, and he gave me a piece of bread, which I shared with the girls.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>TV show host (female):</strong> Some people you meet change you forever. She is one of them. Edith tells me that she still dances to this day. Her message of hope and love over evil has brought her to speak all over the world, and a book on her life is coming out.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong><span style="color: #008000;">[79:34]</span><br />
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-25"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Ingrid’s Response — You Need Evidence Not Just “Testimony”</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>OK. We saw some eyewitnesses. And that’s one of the, you know, the comments; most of the comments I’ve had on Facebook and Twitter after this, you know, this story about me being a “<em>Holocaust denier</em>”, which I’m not! But anyway. So many people say to me:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Haven’t you seen the eyewitnesses? Just look at their stories and then you will understand! That this all happened just as they said it happened!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then I just want to ask you — how come that we know from so many research studies, that eyewitnesses are not to be trusted. That is why when you go to trial, the prosecutor needs to have real evidence. They cannot just trust the victim, if the victim is still alive, or someone who was an eyewitness. They need some forensic evidence, because you cannot trust eyewitnesses!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Everybody knows that. If it’s a trial about a killer, or rapist, or anything, you know, you cannot trust eyewitnesses. They can be part of the proof, but it cannot be the only proof. But still people say to me:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“You have to listen to the survivors. If you just listen to the survivors then you will understand that everything is true!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And we have just seen so many survivors saying preposterous things! Everybody understands that this is not true! So, as it is all over the place, you cannot trust eyewitnesses!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-26"><span style="color: #ff0000;">The “Holocaust Industry”</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah! I mean, some people say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Well, are you saying that some of these people, &#8230; Are you saying that they’re lying?”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it’s like:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Yeah, <span style="color: #008000;">[laughing]</span> that’s how simple it is!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Actually I am because, you know, as <strong>Norman Finklestein</strong>, and others have pointed out, the “<em>Holocaust</em>” has actually become a history <span style="color: #008000;">[an industry]</span>.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Red-Ice-Radio-Germar-Rudolf-Part-2-Norman-Finkelstein-Book-The-Holocaust-Industry.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23960" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Red-Ice-Radio-Germar-Rudolf-Part-2-Norman-Finkelstein-Book-The-Holocaust-Industry.jpg" alt="" width="785" height="669" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Red-Ice-Radio-Germar-Rudolf-Part-2-Norman-Finkelstein-Book-The-Holocaust-Industry.jpg 785w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Red-Ice-Radio-Germar-Rudolf-Part-2-Norman-Finkelstein-Book-The-Holocaust-Industry-600x511.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Red-Ice-Radio-Germar-Rudolf-Part-2-Norman-Finkelstein-Book-The-Holocaust-Industry-768x655.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 785px) 100vw, 785px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And much of Israel’s dependency on economic aid from Germany, for example, has been tremendously important, and it has actually <span style="color: #008000;">[been]</span> held up by this, by this industry, by the “<em>Holocaust industry</em>”. And again it doesn’t mean that there weren’t people that were hurt, or displaced, or you know, probably horrible things happened to them. It’s not about denying all, you know, those things separately. It’s about the fact that it has now, &#8230; The history itself has been weaved into a political agenda, an emotional agenda. In much bigger aspect. And I’m not saying …personally, I don’t know if these people are communicating with each other, and saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Yeah, let’s lie about this!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Or if it’s just, you know, they get fed these things?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>You know, many of these people who speak out today, they were like five, six, seven years old, when some of the stuff happened! You know, they were young! They were, I mean, imagine yourself being, like being told at that age, what it was like for people, that your whole group, they want to exterminate your whole group! I mean, I can imagine that that’s traumatizing. I’ve seen footage of Israelis going to, you know, Auschwitz and these places, and literally being, like, induced into this emotional state of what you’re supposed to feel when you’re there, and things like this.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I’m not saying it’s easy for some of those young people, they’re going through this programming today, either. But nonetheless, we have to be in a position where we can gather these testimonies, gather these stories, and say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Listen, this is enough of evidence for us to initiate an interest, to look into this further.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, even look at it from an insurance point of view, claim. Right, that if they’re now receiving money from this, an insurance company would continue to question your claim, again, and again, to make sure that you’re not lying when you’re receiving money. So I think that this is a healthy approach, that we should have to this issue, and especially when people are being caught lying. That’s a red flag and a herring in itself, and that we have to follow through on. Right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Yeah, yeah absolutely! And I don’t believe, you know, they say that:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well what do you think, that all the Jews in the world are in sort of a world conspiracy?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">No! I don’t think that! I think that stories like this make people, you know, there are some people who are very easily, what’s it called, “<em>suggestible? </em>”</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Right.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-27"><span style="color: #ff0000;">We Have an Obligation to Look into Things</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Yeah. And if you are a Jew, and maybe you feel that you too want to be part of this story, you want people to feel sorry for you, you want to become someone, you want to be special! Then you start thinking about this, and you say, — well like the crooked cop, you say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Well, maybe I didn’t experience this, but somebody else did! So it’s OK for me to do it.”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And you have, &#8230; All these people are not like that! That’s not what I’m saying. But among these people, of course, there are some who will, you know, take advantage of this story, and that is why I tell everybody:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Don’t believe everything you hear, everything you read, there are some things about this story that doesn’t add up and you have a responsibility for yourself!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If you are European, and you care about your own people, because we are the ones that are constantly being bashed, for you know, we did this, OK we didn’t do, but our parents, or our grandparents. And so we are, you know, we are in a position where we can’t even defend ourselves, so therefore we have an obligation to look into this, to see what is right, and what is wrong. That is all I’m saying! We as intelligent people, we have to look into this story, we can’t just let other people say to us:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“You did this, and end of story! And don’t question it! Because if you do, you are an anti-Semite, and you will start gassing jews again!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">We can’t stand that anymore!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[85:55]</strong></span></p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-28"><span style="color: #ff0000;">The “Six Million” Story Goes Back to the Late 1880s</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> I totally agree! I think it’s a way that we can question these things in a rational way which it’s not, you know, hateful, or completely irrational, or out of left field. I think it’s, as <span style="color: #008000;">[with]</span> all subjects, there is intelligent approach to it and you question it, and you go through it methodically, and just like anything. But, there are a lot of, you know, strange things around this.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I mean, even we were talking before we came on here, Ingrid, about, for example, the six-million figure itself. I remember seeing a video a couple of years ago, someone pointed out all these papers going back to as early as, &#8230; This particular one is from one 1915. But there’s even back to the late 1800s, where they actually discuss this issue in the papers, that six-million Jews have been, you know, targeted in some way. And it’s and it’s paper, after paper, after paper!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4106-Six-miilion-newspaper-article.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24021" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4106-Six-miilion-newspaper-article.jpg" alt="" width="912" height="473" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4106-Six-miilion-newspaper-article.jpg 912w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4106-Six-miilion-newspaper-article-600x311.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4106-Six-miilion-newspaper-article-768x398.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 912px) 100vw, 912px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And these makes you kind of question as well, right? It was, like whoa, … wait, wait a minute, if this is not true back then with those six million, how can we, … how can we know that it’s true … the latest incarnation that they said, that this was true?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>What do you think about something, when you see this kind of stuff?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Well, you know, I was brought up with “<em>six-million Jews who were gassed to death</em>”. And I thought of everybody who questioned that was a crazy person, or a cruel person, a horrible person, an evil person!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So it was really, really, hard for me to even start looking into this. But then I found out, as you said, when I saw all these newspapers talking about “<em>six-million Jews are to perish</em>”, because of starvation, and a lot of different things. So apparently six-million Jews is sort of a holy figure in Judaism.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And then I found out that after the war the Red Cross, they made in a list of how many people they estimated had died in the concentration camps. And I think that was about three, or four hundred thousand people [300,000 – 400,000] . And that was the official figure for many years. And then suddenly something happened. And then the figure six million came up. And how did they come up with the figure six million? Well, they counted the deaths in the so-called extermination camps, and the worst of them was Auschwitz, and the Russians who then occupied Poland, where Auschwitz is situated, they said that four-million people were killed in Auschwitz.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4111-Auschwitz-death-reduced-to-one-million.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24022" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4111-Auschwitz-death-reduced-to-one-million.jpg" alt="" width="920" height="475" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4111-Auschwitz-death-reduced-to-one-million.jpg 920w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4111-Auschwitz-death-reduced-to-one-million-600x310.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4111-Auschwitz-death-reduced-to-one-million-768x397.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 920px) 100vw, 920px" /></a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-29"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Four Million Dead in Auschwitz Becomes 1.1 Million</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So the Russians said six million. Among them were four million from Auschwitz and the allies said six million, and among them were four million in Auschwitz. Then when the wall [Berlin Wall] came down, and Poland and Russia became democracies, and the communism was gone; then Auschwitz [Museum] said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“No, four million was wrong!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So they took it down to one and a half million! And now it’s 1.1 million. But still the total is six million jews! And maybe I am totally stupid Henrik, but I don’t understand if you have six million, and you take almost three million from that total, and you still have six million! Can you explain that to me? Because I really don’t get it!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Plaques-of-Auschwitz-Ver-2.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21721" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Plaques-of-Auschwitz-Ver-2.jpg" alt="" width="701" height="924" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Plaques-of-Auschwitz-Ver-2.jpg 701w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Plaques-of-Auschwitz-Ver-2-600x791.jpg 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 701px) 100vw, 701px" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;">[Click image to enlarge]</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[89:39]</strong></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> Yeah, I don’t get it either, it’s very strange. You know, that they can change so radically in millions of numbers are changed. And yet after all just the overarching picture of how many perished in this atrocity of World War II. Why does it remain the same? I mean, it’s a reasonable question, it’s a logical question to ask.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And as you said it … many people go to this route:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Well, it’s not about that!” or “that doesn’t matter!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Actually it does matter, it does very much matter! What is it, what is true? I mean, if this is a documented, you know, provable extermination campaign, I think we should know about that, and that evidence for that should be should be presented, instead of us solely relying on somewhat dubious testimony, and what seems to be kind of an occult esoteric number that they’ve been trying to kind of put forth for a for many, many years, for decades before this was supposedly happened.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I have a lot of questions. I don’t know! I don’t have all the stories about this. I simply just think that there’s a lot of things around us that we simply don’t know. We’ve been through it, … you have economic incentive, political incentive, you have, you know, a number of different things and it’s become what they call a Gordian knot today. It’s like almost an unsolvable, difficult, you know, labyrinth to go through.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I think we have enough material that suggests that something is not quite right! Something is not as we’re being told. Now exactly what the truth is, that I think we should continue to investigate, and try to find out what was it, right?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Of course! That is the only thing I want. I don’t deny that there was a “<em>Holocaust</em>”! I don’t say that everything that we have been told is a lie. I just say I have seen some things that doesn’t add up! I have seen things that are lies! I have seen things that I don’t believe in, because they are preposterous.</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So let’s, &#8230; Why don’t we let historians dig into this and really see; are these people, the so-called “<em>holocaust deniers</em>”, like David Irving and Faurisson, and whatever their names are. Why don’t you, &#8230; You put together a group of people trying to find out what really happened! Why is this so difficult? Why is this so dangerous?</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> We could go on about this for a long time, there’s a lot of material. People have been talking about this for decades. We’re not going to solve it in a one half-hour show, it’s just ridiculous to perceive [expect] that. I just hope that we’ve encouraged the viewer, or aroused enough curiosity, that the viewer themselves <span style="color: #008000;">[to]</span> say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“OK, well I’m going to look into some of the things that they say.”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And investigate for themselves. As opposed to you saying:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“You know what? You guys are crazy! You’re hateful bigots! And I’m not going to listen to what you say!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Do some investigations! Look into it for yourself! See what your conclusion is. Is there any truth to this, right? We just want to arouse, interest in this topic and it shouldn’t be, you know, off the table to question these kinds of things.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-30"><span style="color: #ff0000;">What Has the Impact of Your Investigations Been on You Personally?</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>But I think Ingrid, one of the more important things I wanted to ask you about, is just kind of on a personal note, how the impact of this has been for you? For, as you said before, I mean, you’ve looked into, you know, what happened, you know, when you were starting to look at the Muslim question and mass immigration into Sweden, and all these kinds of things. What happened this time when you started looking at this kind of stuff? And how was the reactions, and how were you met?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Well what was, &#8230; What really happened was that, of course, I knew that when this came up, it doesn’t matter how small the matter, if you say something about that you don’t really believe everything about the Holocaust, then you will be trashed! A lot of people will hate you. But what happened was that a lot of my friends, sort of, Facebook friends, and so on, who really have been applauding my work against Islamisation, they suddenly said:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“We hate you!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">It’s not, &#8230; They don’t ask me:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Why are you doing this? Can you tell me what’s happened? What did you find out?”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">They’re not curious — they just say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“I hate you! You’ve done something so horrible! Now you have proven that you are a horrible person!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">So they don’t care, that they have been following me, applauding me for five, or six years. Suddenly, in an hour, I am a horrible person, because I’m saying something that they don’t like. So then I am off the table!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4116-Henrik-Palmgren-in-studio-NEW.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-24096" src="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4116-Henrik-Palmgren-in-studio-NEW.jpg" alt="" width="908" height="514" srcset="https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4116-Henrik-Palmgren-in-studio-NEW.jpg 908w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4116-Henrik-Palmgren-in-studio-NEW-600x340.jpg 600w, https://katana17.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Red-Ice-TV-Ingrid-Carlqvist-Scandal-4116-Henrik-Palmgren-in-studio-NEW-768x435.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 908px) 100vw, 908px" /></a></p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-31"><span style="color: #ff0000;">“&#8230;. the Establishment Are Lying About Practically Everything!”</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> What would you like, you know, people to know about? Either if it’s the subject, or maybe even yourself in terms of like, I mean, &#8230; I know you’re not a hateful person. I know all these things. I know what a kind, warm person, how funny you are. It’s not about any of these, any of these character assassinations that comes in the wake of something like this, we know that it’s all lies. I mean, listen! We know that the establishment are lying about practically everything! And we’re onto to some of these people, and we’re questioning them, and we’re trying to put them up against a wall and say:</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>“Listen! You have some stuff to answer for here!”</h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>That’s all we’re doing.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I think that this is a reflection of their insecurity, and them just not, you know, accepting a different perspective and so forth. But what would you like the viewer to something, … and the listener to something like this, to kind of take away with them? You know, after we’ve talked about all these very emotional and difficult topics, Ingrid?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>[95:18]</strong></span></p>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h3 id="RedIceIngrid-32"><span style="color: #ff0000;">“My Greatest Hope”</span></h3>
<p><a href="#top">top</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Well, my greatest hope is that people start thinking for themselves!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If we are going to save Europe, we all have to start thinking! Don’t just believe what people are saying to you! Don’t believe the politicians! Don’t believe the journalists! Don’t believe the teachers! Don’t believe the lobbyists! Don’t believe anyone! Be skeptical!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">And it has never been so easy to find out things, as it is today. There is a whole internet out there. And on YouTube you can find so many movies. And I don’t say:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“Go and see one movie and then you find the truth!”</span></h3>
</blockquote>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">No, you have to watch a lot of them, and you have to think, you have to think for yourself!</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Watch a lot of people, watch a lot of movies and think! And then you come up to a conclusion. And I am sure your conclusion will be:</span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>
<h3><span style="color: #0000ff;">“There is something fishy here, and I want a big investigation. I want to know the truth!”</span></h3>
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<p><strong>Henrik:</strong> I think that’s very reasonable Ingrid.</p>
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<p>And I just want to personally say thank you for being brave enough to talk about this, for a subject so many people shy away from. I think it’s a true heroic stance, considering the fact that it is just such a difficult area to go into. And I don’t wish upon anyone, the things that some of these people have been subjected to. You know, throughout the decades for simply bringing valid points to the table.</p>
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<p>I think again, just to go back to that last point and we’ll wrap this up after this, but, you know, I think that they are in a defensive position.</p>
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<p>I think that they are so terrified of people questioning more about this event that they have to go to legislation to try to shut people down, and imprison them, and set examples for other people to say:</p>
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<h3>“You don’t touch on this subject!”</h3>
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<p>Because then, you know, what is going to happen.</p>
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<p>Ultimately though I think it’s a false tactic, I think it’s a failing tactic! Because, the more you try to shut people down, guess what? The more they are going to want to try to find out the truth. And if someone tells you:</p>
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<h3>“You can visit any room in this apartment, but don’t go in through, you know, door number three, here, in the hallway!”</h3>
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<p>That’s all you going to want to do, you know! What is behind that door? Let me peer behind it. It’s what curious, interested people do. And that’s all we’re asking here folks, to be allowed to look at, and say, you know, make up our own mind, and make our own determination about what actually happened there.</p>
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<p>So thank you Ingrid for being brave! Thank you for coming on, clarifying this to us, to the viewer, of what it is that you’re actually, what you actually think about this; as opposed to buying, you know, the BS that everyone else is trying to claim, that what you think, or what your opinion is about this stuff is.</p>
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<p>So, thank you again.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Ingrid: </strong>Thank you!</span></p>
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