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Ernst Zundel

My Life and Political Awakening

1979

[German-Canadian revisionist, author, artist and activist Ernst Zundel gives a fascinating account of his life and adventures up to 1979. See table of contents for list of highlights.

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(Words: 13,198 – Duration: 75 mins)

01 “Who Are You? Where Are You From? What is Your Background?

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

03 My Mother Saying: “Oh, That’s the Front Coming Closer.”

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

27 Declare Himself as a Candidate for the Leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

36 Sells House and Goes on On World Tour Through Europe, Africa, Middle East, and the Far East

37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!

(In progress)

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This is Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel. I’m the man behind Samisdat Publishers in Toronto, Canada. At the request of many of my friends, both here in Canada, especially in America, in Australia, in South America and also in Europe, I want to tell you about myself. Many of you have asked:

“Who are you? Where are you from? What is your background? What was your development?”

Many of you have been very generous. In book orders, in tape orders, in donations of money, material and support. I think I owe it to you that I reveal all there is to know and all that those who put their life virtually on the line for me and for our cause are entitled to. I was born on the 24th of April, 1939 in a small town of less than 4,000 souls in the Black Forest of Germany. My family lived in an old cottage, 350 years old at the time. It was, in fact, the oldest house in the whole valley.

Now, the Black Forest, as many of you maybe don’t know, was never conquered by the Romans. The people living within these black, dark forests were fierce warriors. And the Romans found it easier, after numerous battles and engagements which they lost, to circumnavigate, to go around the Black Forest. In effect, they built a wall around the Black Forest, fortified wall, which was called the Limes: LIMES. And you will find it written up in history books. Well, my folks lived in the Black Forest for centuries.

And research with that in my family tree has actually traced it as far back as the 14th century to Switzerland and from there to northern Italy. On my father’s side, we were lumberjacks, peasants. On my mother’s side, she comes from Bavaria, near the town, historic town of Augsburg. We were middle class people, teachers, lawyers, musicians, writers, artisans.

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

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I was born just at the outbreak of the war. I was the fourth of a family of six children and the oldest son. My earliest childhood recollections, of course, are of the war. My father wearing his German army uniform, coming home on leave from Russia. He was with the medics, ambulance trains, in fact, picking up the wounded from the battlefields of Europe and bringing them home to Germany, to hospitals, some of them which were in the Black Forest.

And of course I remember as a lad the tremendous joy to be held in my father’s arms and to go on outings with him into the woods, however brief they were the next recollections are bombing raids of strafings by Allied fighter bombers, notably French in this case. And the real horrible nature of war came home to me as a very young boy by being yanked out of bed at 3, 4, 5 o’ clock in the morning when these massive bombing raids by American and British bomber fleets took place. And their flight path, invariably when they went to bomb Nuremberg, Dresden, Aschaffenburg, Munichen, passed over the Black Forest.

And I remember vividly the endless droning of these powerful Flying Fortresses and Liberators. And then also on the way back, Allied planes crippled by German flak, on fire, burning, wings dropping off, pilots jumping out with parachutes and so on. It was just an absolutely frightening experience for a young fellow. And those were my wartime recollections.

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

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And then a new dimension was added. In that I could hear the thunder of guns coming ever closer. And I remember my mother saying:

“Oh, that’s the front coming closer.”

Well, I didn’t really quite know what “the front” was, but it was something ominous because everybody was afraid, everybody was frightened. And German troops appeared, on retreat. Old soldiers, some without guns, came through.

And then there were artillery duels with Americans and French guns shelling German positions. The German positions running right through our valley. Germans once in a while firing back, artillery shells exploding all around us.

And then flight. My mother was frightened. She took us, five children at the time, to the forest and there we hid. We took our goats with us, our chickens, our rabbits. We tied them all up in dense bush and waited for the hostilities actually to pass us by. And we saw by peeking through cracks in the Woods that indeed, French army units were moving up the valley and tanks were stopping and they were looting our houses and Germans were being killed. German soldiers were lying by the roadside, German vehicles were shot up and the front passed us by. And shortly thereafter the war was over.

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

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However, just at the end of the war, the city of Pforzheim, our neighbor city, was bombed in a massive air raid in which over 20,000 people were killed in this once lovely medieval old city. And the firestorm created by this American bombardment was so horrendous that I remember all the trees in our valley bending towards this town and a tremendous suction taking up leaves and branches and twigs and rushing down the valley towards this town. The whole sky was illuminated, even though the town was over 20 km away.

I remember the next day my mother, who was working with the Red Cross, being called upon to go into this town to help those who could still be helped. And when she came back, she was a changed woman for all the horror she had seen and all the human torches that had shrunken bodies down to children’s size. A town which we knew so well, had been reduced to utter ruins and utter rubble!

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05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

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Couple that with the invasion, the end of the war, with the rapes, the looting, and then the starvation, and the needless cruelty of the occupation occupying powers to children, man and beast, in fact. My father became a prisoner of the Americans and went through some horrific experience in an Allied prisoner of war camp in Darmstadt, where for four weeks these men lived without shelter in open fields, eating earthworms, bugs, drinking practically their own urine. Just a horrible mess!

And we children, of course, couldn’t go to school because the school was occupied by Allied troops. Tanks, armored cars were parked in the schoolyards. Life seemed to almost have ceased. And then slowly the French, who occupied our area with Moroccan and Algerian troops, colonial troops, got their act together and established civil administrations under the military government. Naturally, the people who governed Germany at that time were quislings, in this case, Allied quislings. They did the bidding of the Allies.

And I remember the very first edict was, that all radios had to be delivered to a central collecting point. So that these radios were then taken as booty to France. Then gold watches were taken, then all rifles, all guns, on pain of death, were taken. Then all cameras were taken. In effect, it became a major crime to photograph or to record any of the Allied misdeeds in Germany. And everybody complied with those rules and those laws, because after all, there was just no way that they could be changed.

The German army had surrendered unconditionally. The German government was a mere shell, prevented in executing its governing functions by the Allied military authorities. In other words, the Germans were disenfranchised.

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

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Hunger broke out. We were starving. The French allowed us 850 calories in ration coupons. The United Nations today says that man needs 2,000 calories to survive. Towards the very end of the war in German concentration camps, the inmates got 1750 calories. And here we were with 850 calories. What that means, I want to illustrate to you simply by this, that we got two pieces of bread a day. Never mind butter, meat and stuff like that.

But as a young growing fellow, to be having to live on two pieces of bread meant that we were constantly starving! Susceptible to all kinds of diseases, constantly sick, constantly cold, no shoes on our feet, no clothing, because of course the warriors had been very tough on the Germans. And here, where the so-called peace years worse. Then the French confiscated all our seed potatoes, which meant that the farmers had to deliver all our seed potatoes to the authorities. And therefore it was a foregone conclusion, since you couldn’t seed, that there was going to be starvation at the end of the summer.

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

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And sure enough, that’s exactly what happened. Children came down with massive hunger and protein deficiency caused diseases, skin sores. We all looked like kids from Bangladesh or Biafra. However, the world seemed not to care.

In the meantime, our mothers were molested by these occupying troops. Our sisters were chased all over. Some were raped. Many a black mongrel baby resulted, because these troops, after all, were colonial color troops.

And I remember coming home from school, which had started in the Evangelical church basement at the time, and seeing a tremendous fracas in the town square, in effect observing a battle between the White French officers and the French colonial troops, which in fact, later on turned to the disarming of the French colonial troops. And only the French officers were bearing arms by that time.

Life began to normalize. Hunger was a constant companion. So was fear. And of course, my father was still a prisoner. We were five at that time. My mother did the best that she could in raising us. I attended the little country school, and it was a horrible period for everybody, also for myself.

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

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But finally one day my mother said:

“Papa is coming home!”

And my father came home a broken man from the American prison of war camp. He began to pick up his old life as a lumberjack, and things seemed to go to normal. But we soon discovered that my father’s spirit was indeed broken, and he turned to alcohol for solace. That complicated, of course, our problems. A large family, little income, and now this added burden.

However, my mother was a strong personality. We had our little land, which we tilled, grew our own potatoes, grew our own vegetables, grew our own teas, herbal teas. We had some goats, from which we got milk, some chickens from which we got eggs. Berries we collected in nearby woods, mushrooms in summer, wood for the wood burning stoves. We made our own tools, just like in medieval times. And almost you could say that we lived in a cashless society.

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

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It was wonderful in its simplicity to be growing up at that time. In my family, we had no radio, we had no television. We had all told 10 books in our bookcase. It was almost as if I was living in a medieval environment. School taught me very thoroughly and very efficiently how to count, how to spell, how to write. I graduated from public school in the top ranks. There was not enough money to go on to high school or higher education, even though the teachers tried to get scholarships and so on. But at that time, Germany had different problems to worry about than to sponsor one of its simple sons to higher education. And therefore it was decided that I should become an artisan.

And since I had been a very good artist and always sketched and drew on every scrap of paper, my mother decided that:

“Well, this is what this boy is going to be. He’s going to be an artist.”

Well, she was soon informed that to go and to study art at some university cost just unaffordable amounts of money. As fate would have it, our old cottage was an attraction for all kinds of artists. Painters, watercolorists. And one day one of these artists, while he was sketching this picturesque scene, spoke to my mother and he was invited for a cup of ersatz coffee. And was of course, introduced to young Ernst’s drawings.

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10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

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And indeed, he said, maybe because he was polite, that:

“Oh yes, this boy has definite talents as an artist.”

But since to become a fine art painter was almost an impossibility, he too suggested that I should become an artisan. Well, he suggested to my mother that I should go to the local manpower or unemployment office where they could evaluate me and advise my mother for a job. Simple matter! We took the train, took the last bit of money that my mother had scrounged and went to the neighboring large town of Pforzheim, that had been devastated earlier in the war and which was now slowly digging itself out of the rubble. And there, amongst the ruins, I went to this special labor service or unemployment office testing center. And some men in white smocks, middle aged men, gave a two day test, an aptitude test. And lo and behold, here was young Zundel. They said:

“Universally talented! I could have become anything!”

Well, that somewhat perplexed my mother. She said:

“Well, but he wants to be an artist again.”

Again the advice was given to her:

“There is no money, no survival in art in modern day Germany, which is in ruins. Let him learn a trade!”

And one of these men suggested I should become a commercial artist. And there were two or three firms that were specializing in commercial art. And they were given notice and we were given their addresses and we went there. And sure enough, after seeing my drawings, one of these firms, a graphic art Institute, adopted or accepted me as an apprentice, an apprentice artist.

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

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And I was enrolled in a three year apprenticeship training program. 1953, that was my pay was to be a dollar a week for the first year, $1 a week for the first year. Then for the second year it was to be $1.50 a week. And for the third year it was to be $2, not a little over $2 a week, if you can believe this. You heard correctly. My duties were to do all kinds of work, to learn the Graphic Arts business from the bottom up. And during my weekly work at this firm, which comprised working on Saturdays too, 48 hours a week, I was to attend two days of graphic arts college to learn about printing processes and so on.

Well, that meant that as a boy of not quite 14, I had to get up at 5 o’ clock in the morning, walk for half an hour towards the train station, there, take the train for three quarters of an hour in order to commute to this city of Pforzheim. And the same procedure, of course, reversed itself in the evening, where I then would come home about 7 o’clock. So from 5 o’ clock in the morning till 7 o’ clock at night, I was learning and working in this trade. I enjoyed it thoroughly because here I was in my world. It was warm, it was indoors, I could sketch and I could draw. And I learned how to become an artist. And it was just wonderful!

And I passed the tests that, the occasional apprenticeship tests, intermediate tests and so on with flying colors. Graduated at my end of three years learning period with top honors! And immediately was rehired by the firm which had trained me. And they were giving me a very handsome salary for a young fellow at that time. As a matter of fact, at the age of 17, I earned twice as much as my father did, immediately.

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

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Well, naturally I had been introduced to the city life. Become stimulated by all the things that were available. A larger world opened up. And my mother contributed to this by saying:

“Boy, across this hill there is a world to be conquered!”

Well, maybe I took her a little too literally, because within less than a year I applied for a job in the north of Germany and went there to further my studies. Because by no means is one a fully rounded, complete expert in one’s field after an apprenticeship. This is only rudimentary. And I was immediately accepted by my virtue of my test results and by my samples of my work that I submitted. Immediately got a very well paying job in the town of Osnabruck in the north.

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

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Well, I bid my family farewell and took the train and onto new adventure to the north. And discovered that the dialect that I was speaking in the south, which was Swabian, was not understood by my fellow Germans in the north. And on the second day, the man in charge of this new company called me in and he said:

“Zundel, you must understand that you must speak German here, not Swabian!”

You see here I was a stranger in my own land. However, youthful vigor and spirit of adventure got the better of me. I very quickly learned to speak high German. And settled down to a new way of life. And I was able to support my family financially with the money that I earned in this firm.

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

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Well, it was the time of full page advertisements in German magazines and in German newspapers by the United States, Canada, Australia and South Africa. And it said:

“Immigrants wanted!”

And in glowing colors it portrayed these lands of unlimited possibility. Well, there was my mother again ringing in my ear, saying:

“There’s a world to be conquered!”

And I found myself writing away to these addresses in these magazines for brochures and information about these various countries. The United States, Embassy in Germany replied, the South African embassy replied, the Australian embassy replied, the Argentinian embassy replied. And the Canadian embassy replied.

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

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However, I decided that I was going to go to Canada.

The reason was really quite simple. I liked what I saw in the brochures. It looked very much like the Black Forest. There are lots of trees, lots of mountains, and it was like home.

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Also, the seasons were the same. They were winter, summer, springtime, fall. That also appealed to me. And one of the big deciding factors, Canada had no military draft! You see, I believed in all the propaganda that we were fed after the war, that the Germans were a bunch of war criminals and murderers and an army of looters and rapists and so on and so I had an aversion bred into me by this Allied propaganda. The step from thought to action in my life never was a very long one. I decided to apply for immigrant status to Canada. Within three months. I was granted it.

In those three months, as a precaution, I just decided that I was going to learn some English. So I rode away for a correspondence course and going by the book and by listening to BBC London Foreign Service, I learned English, English. Not realizing that in Canada and the United States, English, English was just about useless. And again I found when Canada finally accepted me and I got on the boat and steamed out of Germany towards this new wonderful adventure. And when I landed in Canada, that nobody could understand my English, English.

And so I had to relearn again. And my German boss’s phrase:

“Boy, speak German!”

Rang in my ears. In this case it meant speak English, meaning Canadian English.

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

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I landed in Montreal in the fall of 1958, immediately was put on a train and shipped to Toronto, because the immigration officer in Germany at the time had determined for me that my best possibilities for work were indeed in Toronto, the English language area in Ontario. I arrived at the time in Cananda, when there was one of these ever recurrent depressions in this land.

Of course, I had no idea nobody had told me about that. And all my other German friends with different trades were unemployed. And were really suffering. So I took my sample work, went down to the local immigration office, manpower office. And with my limited amount of English, English said to them, qy my name is Ernst Zundel. I’m a commercial artist looking for work. Fine, they said:

“No problem. We will fund your job in no time.”

Well, that made me feel better. I was sent around to various people and found out that indeed I couldn’t speak any English. I couldn’t understand what these people were saying to me.

However, every day I learned 30, 40 words out of the dictionary. And within three days I was sent to a firm, a very large firm, well known to North Americans called Simpson Sears. In America is called Sears Roebuck.

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

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Well, I introduced myself again, had the letter from the immigration with me. Which introduced me as a new arrived immigrant needing assistance in the form of a job in my chosen field. I showed the people there my sample work. And the man in charge of this organization of a graphic arts Institute looked at my work and said:

“Impossible!”

And I didn’t know what impossible meant at the time. But I could see by the way he was wrinkling his forehead that he was skeptical. And so with hand and foot, I was trying to explain that here are my test results, Here is my diploma. These are my samples. And he said:

“Ah! Just wait a minute. I have a German lady here. She will translate for you.”

Off he went to return a minute later with a lady from Hamburg. This lady looked at my samples, asked me what my background was, where I was trained. I pointed out my apprenticeship papers, my fantastic test results. And very good references I had in Germany from these German firms. She translated it to him, and his skepticism turned into surprise. He said:

“How is it possible that a young fellow of 18 could be so advanced?”

Well, that led to a discussion of the German apprenticeship training program. The testing that they do over there. And naturally inherited talents being developed to the utmost and so on. And this fellow turned out to be a Scotsman. And he still had this undertone of skepticism. And she told me in her translation that he just couldn’t believe it! Well, that really somewhat angered me. And I said:

“Look, if he doesn’t believe me that I can do this kind of work, I’ll work for nothing! I’ll work for two, three days for nothing. I have my tools with me. And then he can see whether I can do the work or not!”

Well, that pleased, I suppose, the Scotsman in the Scotsman. And he said:

“Great! You can start tomorrow! First thing, 9 o’ clock in the morning.”

Here the immigrant arrived with his satchel on his back, his sandwiches in his pocket. And I settled down in an area that I was assigned to do some work. And for the next three days this Scotsman really put me through my paces. Well, he was astonished! And I could see he came to see me every half hour, three quarters of an hour, hour on the hour, monitoring my work, that he was increasingly surprised.

At the end of the three days he called in the German lady, called me into his office and he said:

“Young man, you are hired!”

And he said at that time, it was $93 a week!

But in the excitement I didn’t really understand that and I thought he must have made a mistake or maybe I misunderstood him in that he said “$39 a week”. Because at that time I was sharing an apartment in a rooming house with a German immigrant, a master, he had two master titles in his trade, bakery and so on. And this man was earning $41 a week. So I thought undoubtedly he must have meant $39 a week. And I had already calculated out that even with $39 a week I could save some money and I could continue to support my mother and my brothers and sisters back in the Black Forest.

Well, Friday came around, payday came around, and of course, with trembling hand I opened my pay envelope and there was a check for $93! I couldn’t believe it! I thought that I had hit paradise! $93 at that time was a fantastic amount of money! And I could live on $25 a week!

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18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

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So very quickly I began to establish a saving account and save my money frugally, sent some money home and was really settling down in this lovely land, learning English every day. I found people extremely kind towards me, all kinds of help when you are helpless as an immigrant. And I found at that time there were only Whites in Canada that I came in contact with. It was just a joy to be amongst these people! There was real brotherhood in the true sense of the word. And I was made welcome everywhere that I went, or so it seemed.

Christmas came around, I was invited by some Canadian people to their homes for Christmas. And homesickness, which was an off and on problem, began to fade.

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

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Soon I got to know a lovely young girl in night school where I had gone to attend language classes. And one evening the door opens and in came a beautiful looking redhead! And I said to my German buddy who was sitting beside me:

“Boy, she’s gonna be my woman!”

Sure enough, I made sure that I would get to know her better. We became friends, acquainted, engaged, were married, established a family, and soon our first boy was born in the city of Toronto with a lovely French name, Pierre.

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

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But adventure again, gripped me. I had saved all kinds of money. So I decided:

“Ah well, I must bring my mother to this lovely land and pay back a little milk money.”

And had bought myself a car and traveled all over the province and all over the country and short my mother, who had after all given me life and nourished me and had made sure that I could learn such a fantastic and well paying trade as commercial art to give her in return the joy of seeing a land which otherwise she couldn’t have done.

Well, the company which I had joined by that time had promised me leave of absence and that I would have a job back when I got back from my travels.

As it turns out again there was a recession and no job. I had spent all my money on traveling around North America for three months and I had about $75 in my savings account. A small baby, newly married and suddenly no job! Well, my mother had returned to Europe and here I was, $75, all this responsibility, 21 years old. I said to my French-Canadian wife, I says:

“Mon cherie, what are we gonna do?”

Well, she said:

“You always wanted to go to the province of Quebec. I’d like to go be back amongst my own people too.”

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

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Well, we loaded our belongings, very few as they were at that time, on a truck and moved the 350 miles from Toronto to Montreal and I went job hunting. Well, I soon found that in the city of Montreal the commercial art studios were much smaller. That commercial art was not as well paid as it was in Toronto, because Toronto is the graphic arts center in Canada.

But I also found that many of these smaller studios could not afford a highly paid specialist like myself. However, each one of them assured me that they had repeatedly and off and on jobs that required my specialty of photo retouching and I should leave my name and phone number. Well, I couldn’t find a steady job, so I decided:

“Well, the heck with this, here’s a perfect opportunity to become a freelance artist!”

And I merrily set up shop in one of the bedrooms in the apartment, bought myself a secondhand drawing desk, a small compressor or air bottles for my airbrush. And the first telephone call was received, a man said:

“Mr. Zundel?”

Of course, in French. And I quickly had to teach myself the first few words of French.

“Oh well, I have a job for you.”

So I jumped on my little Volkswagen down, I went to the center of the city, picked up this job and I earned my first $35 as a freelance artist being self employed.

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

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The first month was, the second month was a little better. The third month was very good. And within the first quarter year everything was just running beautifully! We were once again beginning to save a little money. I worked very hard day and night. I taught myself French, went to French night classes and went knocking on doors and generally just “hustled”, as the North American expression goes. And within a year or two had saved up enough money to once again travel the whole continent. And I took my wife and my young child and we went out to the west coast, out to the east coast and then we thought:

“Gee, if this is such a well paying trade, we could afford a house!”

Again, from the thought to the act, not very far removed. We paid a small down payment on a house. In those days you could get bungalows for a down payment of $300, with a 35 year mortgage at 5 and 3 quarters or 6% interest. In other words, it was a young couple’s dream. And sure enough we made a down payment on a beautiful home.

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And since we had some money left, we decided we were going to go to Europe while we were young and see Europe as well. So we booked a passage on an ocean liner and we went over to Europe, traveled all over Europe.

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

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However, in the meantime I had met and developed an interest in politics and met some very interesting people in Canada. The most notable amongst them was the pre-war leader of a French-Canadian fascist type party called the National Unity Party of Canada. And I had met this individual called Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada. Well, that was to have a tremendous impact on my life because this French-Canadian spoke fluent German, and he had a fantastic library of all books in the German language. And he made these books available to me, allowed me to borrow them.

We discussed the content of these books and lo and behold, it was a French-Canadian who turned me into a German! He showed me the lies of World War II, explained to me the propaganda, the reasons why these lies were told, the instigators of the lies!

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

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And I took a Political Science course. And at the advice of Mr Arcand, took this tour to Europe contacting all kinds of very interesting people in Germany, in Austria, in Italy, in Switzerland, in Spain, in England and in the Scandinavian countries. And I took what you could call a crash course in political history.

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

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Well, I found on my trip while being over in Europe that certainly my public school education was limited in scope, and I decided to enroll in university as soon as I returned from Germany. I did exactly that. I enrolled in Sir Charles Williams University in Montreal in Political Science and History. I attended university in the evenings. During the day I went after my commercial art business, built up a small thriving studio, and found time to write for German newspapers, the university student newspaper. And above all, I found time to get involved in everyday politics. And we organized demonstrations, mass mailings, and I found that I was a rather shy fellow at the time.

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

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And so I decided that I had to overcome this shyness. And I sent out a flyer to all the Churches and lodges and unions and all kinds of organizations in human society, in offering myself free of charge, of course, as a speaker. I really only had one topic on there, and the topic was “Communism, a threat to our civilization”. Well, I hadn’t expected a reaction to this. I was literally inundated by requests to come and to speak to youth groups, air cadets, student bodies, church congregations, businessmen clubs, Kiwanis, Rotarians and so on. It was just an incredible situation!

And very soon I began to lose my shyness. I took some speaking training at the Dale Carnegie type courses that were offered, and within a year I had overcome my inborn shyness and developed a very passible speaking style.

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

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Well, then an event happened in Canadian history. The prime minister of Canada, Lester Pearson, Nobel Peace prize winner, decided that he was going to resign and hand over the prime ministership to the leader of the Liberal Party, that was to be said, selected in the leadership race, which meant that anyone who became leader of the Liberal Party also would become the leader of Canada. And I immediately spotted this as a fantastic opportunity to catapult myself into the public. I had done a tremendous amount of radio talk shows and, as I said, public speaking, writing, had organized some demonstrations of an anti-communist nature, together with some other ethnic groups in the Montreal area. And I was beginning to get known in the country.

And so I decided, fine, I’m going to declare myself as a candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. Well, naturally that was somewhat of a sensation because I was only 27 years old. I was, after all, an immigrant, a newcomer to this country. I was still a student at university, although I was also a businessman, a young man at that.

And our second son arrived. This time he was given the German name to reflect the German part of the family heritage. His name was Hans. I became the candidate for the Liberal leadership and traveled the country giving speeches, press conferences, visiting delegates, collecting signatures. What I had to do in order to become a candidate was to be recognized officially by at least 55 prominent Liberal Party Bigwigs. It was the toughest thing I ever did!

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28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

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But ultimately I made it to Ottawa with tenacity and drive and fervor and cajoling and a certain amount of good luck, I suppose. I ended up in the sports stadium in Ottawa. The president of the Liberal Party, after some minor obstacles and evasive measures, had to admit and sign me up as an official candidate of the Liberal Party, one of seven candidates. All the rest of the candidates pretty well were drawn from the cabinet. Multimillionaires, millionaires, very well off people.

And it turns out that although my campaign had cost me three months of my life, $3, 500, the man who ultimately succeeded in capturing the title of leader of the Liberal Party and thereby Prime Minister Canada, Pierre Leotudo, had spent, as compared to my $3, 500, $385,000! Well, number one, I didn’t have the money. Number two, I had no illusions of grandeur that I could from nothing catapult myself to the prime ministership in this country.

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29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

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However, the whole exercise really was only a method to gain attention for my cause. My cause being that I wanted to have the anti-German propaganda, the lies about Germans and German history, especially the lie of the Germans killing 6 million innocent jews and committing all kinds of war crimes, I wanted to have that stopped!

And I thought, what a terrific platform. And that is exactly what happened. I had myself nationwide publicity as an officially recognized candidate for the Liberal leadership race. I was able to speak to all the delegates. There were 2, 700 delegates and, 205,000 spectators in this lovely sports arena, the Civic Center in Ottawa. 371 radio stations and 500 TV stations across the country were plugged in. Every newspaper was represented there. And certainly my wildest dreams were surpassed in the amount of publicity and coverage I got from my cause.

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

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And of course, my remarks about Germans being Second Class citizens in this land and so on were broadcast nationwide. Well, that got me to the attention of the German Embassy in Ottawa. And the press attache, together with the ambassador at the time, visited me in the walking space that every arena has behind the rink and was going to congratulate me for my wonderful activities. And I just told him to:

“Go to hell!”

In exactly that many words for being such a coward! Because the three years before that I had appealed to him to do something about this undetermined propaganda in this land and received absolutely no help!

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

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So now I told him just to:

“Go and beat it!”

Which he did with a shocked expression on his face. Well, the German language section of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation International Service got in touch with me for a live interview which was broadcast to Europe, Trans Oceanic Cable, in German. Again, I could ride an attack against the evils of anti-German brainwashing and propaganda.

And I remember very well how the men in Europe kept saying:

“But this is impossible, but you cannot say this!”

And I had to repeat to him frequently:

“Look, not only am I saying it and you are hearing it, but I’m also meaning it!”

And so he says:

“But this is so unusual!”

I said:

“Listen, I am living in Canada, in the land of unlimited opportunity.”

Well, that’s the way it used to appear, and that’s the way it was in those days, certainly for a young lad of 27.

Well, the leadership race passed. It was certainly a high point in my life, and I had hoped to represent not only the Germans, but also the immigrants in this country.

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

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However, I was soon to be sadly disappointed. Very little interest was shown by the immigrant community! Everybody, I suppose, was busy carving out a new life for themselves, getting started. You know, the usual thing that men do when they start out at the bottom of the heap, clawing their way up. And I received a few hundred letters, few hundred phone calls, expressions of support. But the one area where support can be best measured in this materialistic age, in the monetary area, I received one donation of $5 from a Canadian lady and a donation of $100 from a friend of mine, a German fellow!

In other words, for all my struggles and all my expenses, I received $105 in donations. Well, that made it obvious to me that there was no possibility of doing something meaningful in a full-time professional way.

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

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And I thought:

“Well, I must now return to business life and tend to mending my fences there.”

And I became the editor or assistant editor of a student newspaper, became also assistant editor for four regional German newspapers in which I basically wrote articles. In the student newspaper. I had my own column called Politics Today, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow. At university I was active in the internal radio and TV service in the community. I was busy giving my speeches and doing a lot of talk shows, radio talk shows at the time. And generally settled down to becoming what you could call “an involved young member” of the community.

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

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However, it was during that time in the province of Quebec that separatism became violent and communist inroads were very clearly now breaking into the open in the separatist movements. We had bombs going off here, there and everywhere. The communist rhetoric, clenched fist salutes, communist demonstrations, accompanied by violence. Communist demonstrations at university, race riots at our own university took place. And I got more deeply involved in the reasons behind politics, and soon found that a whole new world was opening up to me.

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

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And I discovered indeed that there was a conspiracy to shape history in a certain way. Well, that called for more study and more learning. And during my appearances I had always found that reporters and detractors and people on radio talk shows kept needling me by saying:

“But you don’t know anything about the places that you speak of, such as Israel, the Middle East, Africa, Asia. You have never been there! You only know your stuff from theory.”

And I was getting so sick and tired of this, answering this, that man can learn indeed by books and by radio programs and by TV programs and so on, that I thought:

“What’s the use!”

And I said to my wife:

“Look, I have the money. I have also the desire. Middle age is creeping up on me. I would like to go and see these far off places and to inform myself firsthand.”

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35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

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We sold our house. We took the proceeds from the money, my wife rented an apartment, stayed at home with the children in the province of Quebec. And Ernst went off on a world tour! And for seven and a half months I first toured all Europe, from the North Cape practically Bergen, Lapland, Finland, northern Sweden, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, northern Scotland, Hadrian’s Wall, all the way through Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, and so on through Germany, Austria.

And then I left Europe behind and went to Greece, down to Turkey, to the Middle East, Israel, Cyprus, then to Cairo, and from there on south through black Africa, all the way to South Africa, Rhodesia, till I ultimately arrived at the southernmost tip at the Cape of Good Hope.

From there I retraced my steps, went over to Iran, India, Pakistan, Southeast Asia at that time to war in Vietnam, Warsan, Cam Ranh Bay, from there to Thailand to Cambodia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, from Taiwan onto Japan, Japan to Hawaii, from Hawaii, back home to the United States and Canada.

I can say that I learned a tremendous amount amongst people of these strange cultures, strange traditions, strange races.

37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!

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Well, I returned from this world trip, which really was a study tour for which I had prepared a number of years through studying at university, reading books, looking over old historical battlefields, cultural history of Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Aryan civilizations, Buddhism and so on. I went to all these historical places to give myself a feel of how it was, how it might have been then. How it was today. It was an incredible, overwhelming experience.

And I actually have to say that I suffered culture shock, race shock! I suddenly found myself sometimes absolutely alone for days amongst people of different racial backgrounds, standing out like a sore thumb amongst Asians, Indians, blacks, Arabs. It was an absolutely worthwhile experience which I can only recommend to all those who inspire for leadership. It is an absolute must!

Nothing beats practical first hand knowledge, and seeing with one own’s eyes, feeling with one own’s hands and soul, smelling these people of different races, the stench of millions in Bombay, sleeping on the sidewalk. Tasting their strange foods, seeing how primitive many areas of the globe still are, being whisked by jet from the Stone Age to the Space Age.

And I remember sitting in a hotel in India the day when the American space program finally put an American on the moon. And here I was, the only White man amongst all these people. And I asked them:

“What do you think about that?”

And they answered me without any second thoughts and saying:

“Ha! More Hollywood movies. It is impossible that man could do this!”

They just could not perceive that man actually had, thanks to Western technology, through German thought and American money and the industrial capacity of the Western world, in effect. Placed a man on the moon and had reached out for the stars.

It was then that that I realized that:

“Oh yes, there was a difference, that we were different!”

And I then determined to look into the race question far more deeply than I had before.

When I returned to Canada, immediate problems of child rearing, children raising, rebuilding a business, of course, took all my attention. We decided that the best route for us as a family would be to return to Ontario, because in the province of Quebec, separatism by now was absolutely rampant. And since I had been one of the most outstanding, outspoken public figures against the separatist movement, my wife was under constant threat to have our children kidnapped, to have herself molested. And our house was frequently painted with communist and separatist slogans. Added to this was the constant harassment by the Canadian secret police, the plain clothed police of the city of Montreal, who for some strange reason all ganged up on me, who was leading the fight against separatism.

And only later did it dawn on me the reason why I was such an unpopular public personage was that I combined youth, drive, talent, and of course a very clear understanding of the real forces that are at work in Western society and especially in North American and Canadian society, and made no bones about it, and set about organizing an effective resistance against it. So I of course was prime target!

However, since my immigrant community did not feel that they should make a contribution, politically speaking, in Canada, the English Canadians looked at me askance because of course I was berating them for their anti-German bigotry. The jewish community in Canada was frightened because of course I claimed, based on pretty good authority, that there never were 6 million gas jews in Europe and that the Zionists in effect were running a gigantic extortion racket against the German people using the media of the world! So in effect, I was like a prophet in the wilderness.

I had in effect, no power base whatsoever! The only power base that I have was the money that I generated with my own hands, doing my artwork, through the sale of my paintings, through some of my writings, some small fees for public speaking. But really the only people backing me were people who had come to me, converts through my lectures, talks, features, articles, radio shows. But it was just nowhere nearly enough to say that I was going to be able to become a political force in Canadian life. I therefore did make the step and did move back to English speaking Ontario. I retreated, so to speak, into myself, more study to digest what I had learned.

And I did put to use what I had learned in radio talk shows, TV talk shows. Some of the country’s leading TV programs approached me to become a guest on their shows or to be participating as a panelist, and I did exactly that.

One program in Toronto that I participated in several times was the Crossfire program, a program that was delving into controversial issues at the time, such as draft dodging by American Vietnam draftees, modern art, corruption and so on. And I enjoyed myself immensely and was quite popular on these programs. These programs of course, were seen by other TV and radio producers who in turn invited me onto their programs.

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Please contact Gus Stefanis Leader of the Canadian Nationalist Party.

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Zundel is undoubtedly a fantastic German who was dedicated to telling the truth about these jews and what they’ve deliberately done to Germany and its people. This relentless attack upon Ernst because of his honesty and commitment to exposing the truth about these jews and what they did to the German people and for this they’ve attacked him using jewish Liars like Lipsdat etc to attempt to defame and ridicule him in the Courts etc. Ernst has shown us all what these evil jews have done and are still doing to this day and for that he has earned the respect of many. Vale Ernst Zundel.
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Ernst Zundel – 1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics 2 – Transcript

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Ernst Zundel

1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal

Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics 2

Mon, Jul 15, 1968

[The transcript is part of a 1967-68 radio show in Montreal featuring Ernst Zundel discussing Israel and Jewish topics.

At the start, a caller accuses the host of allowing “poison to be spread” by permitting anti-semitic views on air

The host defends himself, saying he tries to be fair by allowing different perspectives

A caller named Mr. Lippman joins and argues against zionism, saying jews fought against it in Europe before WWII

Mr. Lippman claims German reparations to jews came from American taxpayers, not Germany

He accuses Eisenhower of whitewashing Nazi crimes by saying “let bygones be bygones”

The host cuts to news, saying they’re late

(To be cont’d)

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Caller 1: The present day European jews came up through Spain. They came through North Africa, through Spain, from Italy and from the Middle East, and they went through Germany and they went to Poland. That’s the route that they followed. The jews are now in Israel.

Ernst Zundel: Hundreds of thousands come from under the stars in the Pale of Settlement. Can you tell me that.

Caller 1: They came from Poland?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, they came from Poland. They came from Poland and from Germany.

Ernst Zundel: I’ve heard of big migration from Khazars into Poland and into Germany under Frederick the Great, to be exact.

Caller 1: No, no, no! You’re speaking of the Oriental jews who came up from the Caucasus Mountain. The mountain jews who came from Babylonia and some Assyria.

Host: Ah, well, when it comes to this area, …

Caller 1: Let’s forget about it.

Ernst Zundel: No, in a sense, why would you want to discuss it? Because it’s going to., …

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the jews who are now in Israel?

Ernst Zundel: Because then 80% of those jews living in Israel, according to the Arabs and according to this interpretation of it, are not Semites. Therefore they have no historic attachment to the Wailing Wall.

Caller 1: Good. Good heavens. You know what you sound like? Yesterday I read a book about a guy who said that the South American-Indians were the lost 10 tribes. They wandered across from Mesopotamia to India and to China. It crossed that Alaska and then down. The Incas and the Aztecs were descended from the 10 lost tribes.

Ernst Zundel: You are referring to the Book of Mormons, I suppose.

Caller 1: Oh, good heavens!

Ernst Zundel: I’m not saying it, man! It’s the Jewish Encyclopedia that is.

Caller 1: I don’t believe you! I don’t believe you!

Host: Well, in terms of history, according to Jewish Encyclopedia, we have a caller who is well versed in jewish history and we’ll go to him in just a second. Okay, just one second now. I think this is the line. Is that you, Mr L?

Caller 2: Yes, yes.

Host: Okay. You’ve been listening. Have you been listening?

Caller 2: Hello.

Host: Have you been listening for the last few minutes, Mr. Lipman?

Caller 2: Yes, hello?

Host: Hello.

Caller 2: Mr. Lipman. Yes, speaking. Hello?

Host: Yes, just one second now.

Caller 2: Speaking, please.

Host: Okay, there, you’re on the line now. Pardon?

Caller 2: Yeah, I’m the caller, Mr. Lipman. I want to speak to the Nazi and I want to speak to the jew there.

Host: Well, the jew hung up and the Nazi, as you call him, [chuckling] is on the line.

Caller 2: Did you laugh at the Nazi there?

Host: Yeah, go ahead, Mr. L.

Ernst Zundel: I beg your pardon.

Host: Go ahead. You’re on the air now.

Caller 2: Is the jewish man there, too?

Host: No, he hung up.

Caller 2: Well, if he hung up. Hello?

Host: Yes.

Caller 2: Wouldn’t be surprised if you’re listening while I’m talking.

Ernst Zundel: Yes, the jewish man is here. Go on.

Caller 2: Hello?

Host: Hello? Go ahead, sir.

Caller 1: First of all, I would like to bag the jewish fellow to take my telephone number and call me personally. I want to speak to him personally after I’ll finish. My number is [bebbed out] Sometimes you can still have my telephone number. I’m not hiding anything.

And I’m not hiding anything. And I can debate with you what I want to know, Mr. Caller Number One. Hello?

Ernst Zundel: Yes?

Caller 2: Caller Number One, is that you?

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you referring to the, …

Caller 2: Are you caller Number One?

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Caller 2: Tell me, what capacity do you speak of the name of the Arab? Are you in capacity of making a peace between the jews? And are you official representative that you talk with such authority, or you just an ordinary journalist which writes in the yellow tabloid of [word unclear] Gable? Answer me the question, sir.

Ernst Zundel: First polite question.

Caller 2: I like concrete, man! I don’t like to talk nonsense! In what capacity do you speak to make peace between jews and Arabs?

Host: All right, he’s going to answer the question. Mr. L.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. M. Would you be polite?

Caller 2: Yeah, I will. Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

First of all, I’m not writing for Julius Streicher.

Caller 1: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: I’m not writing for Julius Streicher. And the other gentlemen because their papers have gone out of business.

Caller 1: Yeah, but there’s plenty of Streichers at the moment. Plenty of Streichers roaming around in the streets of Montreal and in New York and in South America.

Host: Well, sir, let me. Just for the benefit of listeners, your response can be interpreted two ways. You’re not writing for them because they no longer exist. Does that mean if they did exist, you would write for them?

Ernst Zundel: No, but I was just trying to find out how, …

Caller 2: Listen, give me an answer, man! I want you to give me an answer. Caller number one.

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I, …

Caller 2: In what capacity do you speak to make peace between the jews and the Arabs?

Ernst Zundel: Well, all night stated in a, …

Caller 2: Yeah, go ahead. I didn’t hear.

Ernst Zundel: Well, then you have, …

Caller 2: Repeat yourself.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, are you there?

Caller 1: I’ll beg your pardon.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Would you hang on for just a second, …

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Caller 2: Yeah, wait a minute. I’ll close the radio. I’ll be able to hear.

Ernst Zundel: Okay, very good.

Caller 2: Go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: Radio done?

Caller 2: Yes, go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: Now, Mr Lipman, if you have been listening and you have been hearing not what you wanted to hear, but what I said.

Caller 2: Yes, what did you say?

Ernst Zundel: I said repeatedly tonight that I spoke as an individual.

Caller 2: Wait a minute. Yeah, but you speak like you’re sitting at a conference table with the jews.

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 2: And trying to make peace between the Arabs and jews!

Ernst Zundel: Oh, I say it as a suggestion. It’s a free country we are in.

Caller 2: Well, no, no, no, no, wait a minute. There’s a different. There’s a dialogue, man! We can criticize the jews. We can criticize anybody.

Ernst Zundel: Sometimes I wonder.

Caller 1: Yeah, we can criticize the jews. They are right sometimes. Don’t give me that stuff, mister. You know well that we can criticize the jews.

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that listens to the headline tonight must wonder the, …

Caller 2: The [word unclear] doesn’t wonder. The only thing is I can’t understand Mr. Bell. I told him one time how does he allow such poison to be spread when there Streichers and so many Meyers and so many. What you call them? You call yourself Meyer. Your father was Meyer, you said. And so many [word unclear] walking around in the streets of Montreal.

Host: All right, now if you’ll let me say something for just a moment.

Now, there are callers who are barred from the line because in my opinion, they are guilty of what you suggested Mr. L.

Caller 2: Yes.

Host: In my opinion, this gentleman is not guilty of what you suggest and it escapes me how you can accuse him of this.

Now, as I have said before.

Caller 2: Yes.

Host: I take issue with some of his figures. Another gentleman called up with other figures. We have a few more lines loaded. People with other figures.

Caller 2: From the jewish Congress they called.

Host: How’s that?

Caller 2: From the Congress. Jewish Congress they called.

Host: Yeah, well, I have somebody on another line with more figures. In other words, over a figure dispute whether the man, … And a few statements that he has made. He could be historically inaccurate.

Now, when quoting from the Jewish Encyclopedia. I don’t know. I’ve never read the thing.

Caller 2: Yes, Mr. Bell.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: Not only inaccurate, he’s full of lies. And I can prove it to him!

Ernst Zundel: Okay, wonderful! Why don’t you prove it?

Caller 2: I’ll prove it to you right away.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: Listen. No, wait. I proved it to you! Give me a chance to prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you, man! I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you!

Ernst Zundel: I believe you.

Caller 2: Listen, listen! Will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: No, one hundred percent.

Caller 2: Will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: In other words, that we are going to be positive and not negative, that we don’t engage in name calling.

Caller 2: No, I wouldn’t call it a name calling, but just listen to.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: I want to expose you that you are working for the Nazis! And you’re an agent of the Nazis. Okay.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. How much is my pay?

Caller 2: Do you know? I don’t know.

Ernst Zundel: And where is the headquarters by the way?

Caller 2: The headquarters in Nazis are still in Bonn. And it’s still in Cairo.

Ernst Zundel: So in other words, …

Caller 2: It’s still in Cairo!

Ernst Zundel: Is the Nazi headquarters in the, …

Caller 2: Is still in Bonn and Cairo. Will you listen? Will you listen? I want to refute your argument. Okay. I want to refute your argument.

Ernst Zundel: You’re wonderful!

Caller 2: I want to refute your argument. Oh, will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, yeah.

Caller 2: Well, listen. You made a statement that Germany restituted the jews so much. And you give figures, right?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did.

Caller 2: You did fine. Do you know that whatever they give 800 some million dollars it’s restitution, right or not?

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 1:800 million. I don’t argue. You had a figure. $826 million. They give a restitution to the jews. You said so.

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

Host: I’m the one who said that.

Caller 2: Hey, beg your pardon.

Host: I’m the one who said that.

Caller 2: Where did you get the figure?

Host: I got the figure from the Almanac.

Caller 2: Okay, fine, let’s be. So I’ll take this figure too. $826 million was given restitution by the German to the jews.

First of all, if you know history, and history is very young, that when Grynszpan* made an attack on the German ambassador in Switzerland or in Sweden, I don’t remember exactly between these two places.

[Image: Police photos of Grynszpan]

[* Herschel Feibel Grynszpan was a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on 7 November 1938 in Paris. The NS’s alledgedly used this assassination as a pretext to launch Kristallnacht, “The Night of Broken Glass”, the pogrom of 9–10 November 1938. Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the fall of France and brought to Germany; his further fate remains unknown. Wikipedia]

Ernst Zundel: I thought it was in France.

Caller 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance to explain myself. So Hitler right away confiscated all the jewish wealth which amount to $4 billion. Before even he started to persecute the jews outside of Germany amounted to $4 billion.

Ernst Zundel: Not true.

Caller 2: It’s true! It’s in the paper. The start of civil life. I started the life here in Montreal. I’ll prove it to you. Number one.

Second thing. The money that Germany gave to the jews, it’s not her money. It’s American money from American taxpayers. Because Mr. Eisenhower and the rest of his gang wanted to whitewash the dirty deeds of the former Nazi. And he said “let bygones be bygones”. And he contributed $4 billion to build up again the Bonn government.

So it’s not their money, it’s American taxpayer pay the money. Is it right?

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

Caller 2: Wait a minute, I’m not finished yet. You got to listen. I listen to you. Because I listen to your story, which is full of lies. And I’m surprised that the jew that is a well capable man and that he converse with you. Because listen, I said to Mr. Bell, There is four brothers, four characters. Evil man, evil man, right or wrong. You still tell you that you’re wrong. So why they debate with you? You’re not an official capacity. You’re not an official capacity from the Arabs or from the Germans. What right have you got to speak in the name of the Arabs or the Germans or anybody else?

[10:12]

Ernst Zundel: That’s why you don’t like to talk to me. I’m just a goy.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: You don’t like the other chap to even converse with this fantastic goy.

Caller 2: What goy? Anyway, go on. This language is French to me.

Ernst Zundel: You don’t speak Yiddish?

Caller 2: I speak Yiddish, yes. Goy is Hebrew. Goy means if you know Hebrew, goy means a nation, it’s not an individual. And he don’t even know the interpretation of goy. You don’t even know the interpretation of goyim.

Hello, Wait a minute. Listen, big shot. Goyim is plural, means nation. Goy means one race.

Ernst Zundel: And who is referred to usually as goyim?

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Who is usually referred to as goyim?

Caller 2: They referred goyim. Because these people that say goy, they are ignorant. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Because goy means a race, one, a nation, I mean. And goyim is plural. So they don’t know. You just inquire if I’m in the wrong, I’ll give anything. You see?

Ernst Zundel: Right. Go on.

Caller 2: And number one, and we don’t use such language as “dirty jews” or any or anything else. When we. In our scriptures, if you want to know it’s written, when we go to the synagogue, we say:

“My Lord, forgive us all our sins. And also to those who live among us. Strangers that live among us.”

In other words, we pray for the non-jews too.

And as far as persecution is concerned, no jew persecuted yet a non-jew. It’s in history. And we were persecuted for 2,000 years.

And let me tell you one thing. I said sometimes I speak French. It’s [words unclear] English. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance.

Ernst Zundel: I think the Old testament.

Caller 2: No, no, no! I want to prove my point that the worst jew, the worst jew, which is called Judas Ishkariot, had a conscience. And when betrayed Jesus Christ, he gave him the kiss of death. His conscious part of him. And he hanged himself. And I never seen non-jew that is conscious of him by attacking a jew, he shall hang himself. I never seen yet.

I said this to French people many times. But I’m French. I live with French more than the jews. If I speak French just as fluent as Yiddish.

Ernst Zundel: Are we a bit far off the point, don’t you think?

Caller 2: Go ahead. No, no, This is a good point. Pardon me. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I’ll listen to you. Then ask me question.

Ernst Zundel: No. You guys want to repeat all my arguments and call me and find out that I was a real liar and spreader of poison?

Caller 2: Yeah. I prove it to you and I mean it. If I said the word liar, it’s too mild. But I wouldn’t use any more of this word. I’ll debate with you like man to man. I’ll debate with you like man to man without any insults anymore.

Ernst Zundel: Would you say I’m maybe a super liar?

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Maybe I’m a super liar.

Caller 2: Well, even this is mild.

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, maybe we can find some other adjectives.

Caller 2: Yeah. Anyway. No, no, don’t worry. You’re a coward because when the man put you to the wall, cornered you last time, you ran away because you couldn’t take it.

Ernst Zundel: When was that?

Caller 2: That was two, three nights ago.

Ernst Zundel: Was the same man I spoke to?

Caller 2: The same man you spoke to? Yeah. He cornered you and you ran away and then you came back.

Ernst Zundel: The same man that I spoke to tonight for one hour that hung up on me!

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You spoke tonight to the jewish family is well eloquent, but you’re still not acquainted well, with jewish history and world history.

Host: Right. That’s why I got you on the line, sir.

Now if we can dispense with personalities. You have accused the man of being a Nazi and of spreading poison. And you can’t for the life of you see why I permit it on the program. You will have to give me an example of a lie that amounts to spreading poison.

Caller 2: Yeah, I’ll give it to you.

Host: Good.

[13:48]

Caller 2: Of course, I’ll give it plenty. I got it in my [word unclear] my dear man, I got in my [word unclear].

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: And then here I give you the first example.

First of all, he said that the jews always lived with the Arabs. And first in harmony all the time, the Semite Arabs, I mean. And Palestine around there in the Middle East. The jews were always persecuted by the Arabs in Casablanca they had no right to walk on the sidewalk. Just like the negro had no right to walk in Alabama. Exactly the same thing for the last, 2,000 years! People in Casablanca lived in a ghetto and they couldn’t go out and they couldn’t show their faces, number one.

Ernst Zundel: But I didn’t say it’s the same.

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You said once before. Not tonight. You said before the jews lived well with the Arabs. And I know history. You don’t know my history, but I know your history, my friend.

Ernst Zundel: I never said that.

Caller 2: Yeah, you said it last time. I’m not speaking tonight. And many Arabs made the statement that the jews never fought with the Arabs before. They lived in harmony, they understood each other, they were brotherly till the zionism came. I’m not a Zionist. I never will be a Zionist. I’m a jew.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, why not.

Caller 2: What?

Ernst Zundel: What are the points that you differ with zionism?

Caller 2: What are the points differ what?

Ernst Zundel: Can you give us points where you differ with zionism?

Caller 2: Speak louder. I can’t hear good.

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Why would you not be a Zionist?

Caller 2: Why?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 2: Because theoretically I don’t agree with them.

Ernst Zundel: Well, in other words, you wouldn’t say that the idea of zionism to found a jewish homeland in Palestine, …

Caller 2: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Doesn’t please you?

Caller 2: Yeah. It doesn’t mean to say that I’m a Zionist, because if jews have to have a home. First, I’m a Canadian and first, the 6 million jews are Americans, they’re not Zionist. Not all of them are Zionists. If they’re Zionist, some of them is their business. But I’m not. I’m speaking myself.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, but listen, I’m very interested.

Caller 2: Yes, yeah, I’ll do to you. I’ll give it to you.

Ernst Zundel: Very good.

Caller 2: Well, all right. If Mr. Bell permit a time, I’ll give it to you as much as you want.

Host: Well, you have seven minutes, sir.

Caller 2: Okay, then listen. I made a statement that if I’m not mistaken to Mr. Bell that we jews in Europe before the Hitler Holocaust, before the Nazis tried to spit their dirt in the world, we jews fought zionism with all our might in the street because we find it impractical! We said that we live in Europe 10,050 years. We have more right to demand our rights in Europe and live there than to the rights on Palestine. Right? Listen to this. Just a moment. I’ll give it to you. This story. We had a jewish organization which is called Bund.

Ernst Zundel: Oh yes, I know about this.

Caller 2: Yeah, you know everything. Hey, you’re a real Nazi! You know all the information!

Host: Sir, you asked him if he knew. He said yes, he knew!

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Host: I said you asked him if he was aware of a certain fact. He admitted to being aware of the fact.

[16:46]

Caller 2: Okay.

Anyway, I’m hearing the Nazi organization, the jewish bund, which is a socialistic organization, they didn’t believe that the sand of Palestine shall be recultivated. And they said we have no right to think of Palestine because it’s impractical. Because the jews are living at their roots are in Europe. They live 10,050 years. And we shall try to fight our best for the rights of the jews which they entitled to.

Host: Which agrees with what the caller number one read from the encyclopedia. So I would assume that the encyclopedia is basically Zionist in its thinking.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon? I didn’t hear that.

Host: Did you hear me caller number one?

Ernst Zundel: I did.

Host: Would you agree with that?

Caller 2: Did you repeat that? I didn’t hear all this conversation tonight.

Host: Well, what you just said is similar to what the caller number one read from a Jewish Encyclopedia.

Caller 2: What do you read?

Ernst Zundel: Well, you will listen.

Host: Well, what you said, sir, basically what you said is what he read from the encyclopedia. So I am suggesting that because the other gentleman questioned the encyclopedia, I am suggesting that conceivably it is a Zionist publication.

Ernst Zundel: I suppose so.

Host: Would you say that does sound reasonable to you, number one?

Ernst Zundel: Not really, no. I don’t think that the Jewish Encyclopedia that I’m referring to is a Zionist publication.

Host: Well, curiously, it’s, …

Ernst Zundel: Let’s say, it saying the same thing.

Host: I shouldn’t have said that. I should have said, as I phrased it the first time Zionist in its, …

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, let me explain, please. Mr. Bell.

Host: Yeah, okay, go ahead.

Caller 2: I know my history well and I can explain it. And even a man who is 100% against the jews, you cannot refute my argument because the truth speaks for itself. You can expose, you cannot expose the truth! You can expose a lie.

Host: Right? Well, again, that’s why I brought you on the line because you know, we have had a number of discussions based on jewish history. And you do know jewish history.

Caller 2: I’ve had many conversations with ardent jew baiters in Quebec City. And I spoke with a man two and a half hours and in his hotel, and there was pleasant 20 Frenchmen. And he spoke the same language as Hitler and I exposed out of him and the Frenchman, which is a wonderful people. The moment he sees the truth, he came over. And he slapped him in the back and he said to him, you lost your discussion because the jew had the best of you! You see.

Ernst Zundel: Listen.

Caller 2: Hello.

Ernst Zundel: I just would like to find out. You said before that the jews had lived in Europe for 10,050 years.

Caller 2: Yes.

[19:26]

Caller 2: Not 10,050 years. Thousand and fifty. Not 10,000.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: If you know history, man!

Ernst Zundel: Well, I wonder if it is your, …

Caller 2: I wish you should know your history as I know! You don’t know your history. You just try to, …

Host: Well, I suggested that we not engage in personalities. We try to stick to the facts. So if you’ll proceed sir, …

Caller 2: I want to speak about the bund.

Host: Yeah, well the seven minutes you had is now three minutes.

Caller 2: Well, I don’t know. What can I do? Listen, you gave him so much time. You don’t give me time, Mr. Bell.

Host: I’m giving you time to make your case. But you are wasting all of your time by engaging in personalities.

Caller 2: You spend so much time to give him and you don’t give me time to explain to refute the argument.

Host: Well, you are one of many callers who are calling in to refute the argument. But you’re wasting your time with personality.

Caller 2: I’m not talking out of my people either. Like the rabbis, the rabbi. The rabbis, the religious rabbi were against Palestine too before it the holocaust of Hitler. Because they, from religious point of view, they believe that Messiah has to come. And they [word unclear] evil freedom. And the [word unclear] jew didn’t believe in that. He believed that we had to free ourselves with our own capability and with our own power.

And that’s why they fought those Zionists in the streets of Warsaw, in the streets of other places where jews live. That we shall fight for our rights in Europe. But here came Hitler and many Hitlers. He said after we lived in Europe 1,050 years, we are fifth class citizens and they try to destroy us. And we had to leave against our own will. So every jew, even a non-zionist like me, I’m a non-zionist. I came to convince that every jew, a jew is supposed to have a home. And where he lives, if he hasn’t got a home, his place is in Israel. And if he’s got a home in Canada, he has no business to think of Israel. Except, shall I say spiritually and financially he could help and morally. But as far as physically, it’s got nothing in common with Israel. You hear me?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you very loud and clear, sir.

Caller 2: You hear me?

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

[21:43]

Caller 2: Okay. So it shows you that a man like me that was against Zionist and yet many times debates in Europe against zionism and we.

And today I’m 100% backing Israel because every jew that knows after what we went through. Wait a minute. Besides that, I want., … This is not the point. I want the proof, facts, never mind statistics. You, I want to [words unclear] from the subject. The compensation that the Germans give these murderers that murdered 6 million jews. I don’t mean the German people, the German rulers. I don’t accuse the German people. I accuse the German ruler.s These German rulers and that killed the people. They paid their [word unclear]. They took away 10 times, 10 times 100 times as much as they give. And what they give, they give you one cent of their own. That was American taxpayers money. Because Eisenhower and the rest of the American people, I mean that’s the American rulers, not the people, wanted to whitewash their crime and to give them asylum and those that will run away from there and to give them as anti-[word unclear] against whatever political views they have. And they wanted to keep them in line to whitewash their faces. Because you cannot whitewash a criminal! Every criminal is a criminal!

Ernst Zundel: What crimes did Eisenhower commit against jews?

Caller 2: When he said “let bygones be bygones”. When he’s seen himself what happened in Belsenberg, he see with his own eyes the way the jews, … The English bulldozers were cleaned away to their grave because they couldn’t come near to them. They had to use bulldozers. And he had the nerve, the audacity to say that bygones be bygones after what he’s seen. That no human being can finish him like that, what he’s seen.

Ernst Zundel: And for that statement he paid $4 billion American dollars. Right?

Caller 1: And not him alone! The only paying behind them, the rulers, not the American people. The American people, the taxpayers pay. But he forced them to pay $4 billion to build out the Germany. Isn’t it seen that Germany has to lend money now to Canada. And she was defeated by us.

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman, who was the gang behind Eisenhower?

Caller 2: What was the gang?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 2: All these Republican wheelers and dealers. All these Republican wheelers and dealers. And the same time applies not only the American wheelers and dealers. Applies to the Canadian wheelers and dealers. Applies to the English wheelers and dealers. I’m not speaking of people, the people are innocent. The jews, the Arabs are innocent. The English are innocent. The Americans are innocent. They are suckers!

Ernst Zundel: Are the German innocent?

Caller 2: The Germans are innocent to a certain extent. But one thing I say the Germans never express themselves to the, at least not all them are guilty. How shall I say morally they are guilty, but not physically. Because not everyone participates in the murder of the jews. It’s stupid to say that! But at least they should have collective shame. They didn’t even express collective shame. I didn’t see a German yet to bow his head and say:

“We are sorry what happened to the jews!”

They still stick to their own.

[24:54]

Host: Gentlemen, we’re a couple of minutes late with the 2 o’clock news and we have to break for it now.

Caller 2: Hey, anyway, listen. Don’t allow this poison to be spread. Let him go and hang himself like Ribbentrop!

Host: Well, sir, you’ve been on for some time and you still haven’t given us an example of poison.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Roberts.

Host: Well, [chuckling] he hung up on us again. Since the program as of next Monday starts running around 9:00. Complete idiot or something. I fail to see why I am being accused of being anti-Israeli. The caller on the line right now has stated a time or two that he is not anti-Israeli.

Ernst Zundel: Not at all Mr. Bell. I have no reason for anti-Israeli. Like in every other subject you must look at all sides in as unemotionally as possible. Now I know Mr. Lipman, I have heard of him. I also have read. I read all the jewish papers. I know what they are saying. I understand that they are very much involved. And I deplore the bloodshed in Israel. I deplore the terrorist raids against Israel. That’s why I suggested a very humble suggestion. I have stressed that and stressed it again. Possibly this might prove a way out. But I’m definitely not anti-Israeli! And everybody that knows me at university and has read my political party program when I was running for the Liberal Party, everybody knows. And I am a card carrying member of the Liberal Party. I am not, as one the first caller suggested, a neo-Nazi, or a Nazi as the second caller suggested. I don’t see where name calling gets us. If I am something. I am a young man that will have to live on this planet for a good long time. I hope 40, 50 years. And so my two sons that they are born in Canada by a Canadian mother.

So you see, all I am saying is I don’t want the world to blow up. So as a young man, a student at University of Political Science, I’m saying, have I maybe got an original thought? Is that a crime? I don’t want to offend anybody or hurt anybody. I’m just making this as a I hope a legitimate suggestion. Now if some of my figures are wrong, then I am sorry. I will certainly call these people back and I will certainly tomorrow call the Israeli consulate and find out what they have to say.

Host: Right, good. I’m glad you committed yourself to that.

Ernst Zundel: I definitely will do that.

Host: Fine. Would you say standby please and on CKGM. Good morning, sir.

Caller 3: [words unclear] I’ll hang up.

Host: Pardon?

Caller 3: [word unclear]

Host: Yeah, go right ahead, sir.

Caller 3: An upline show. I’m not by CKGS, the forum of healthy controversy and exchange of opinion.

Host: That’s true.

Caller 3: Yes. About two hours ago I opened the radio. I listened to some enormous deliberate distortions of facts! So that I was unable to go to sleep.

Actually I should have been in bed now because I had moved [word unclear] very early in the morning. But I couldn’t go to sleep. It’s a person whom I heard already a few times. In fact a few weeks ago he called Mr. David Bassett. As I answered later. He started to throw in figures like $14 billion. And he said that the figures were supplied by the German consulate.

Of course this is a lie! And after Geobbel’s said:

“Repeat a lie a thousand times and people will believe it!”

It’s such a big lie! I don’t know because he doesn’t seem ignorant because I don’t know if he realizes what $14 billion means. Here I have the figures in the latest. The New Middle East issue of December. It’s a monthly issue. A monthly paper issued in London. And they give the figures between. It’s a study about Israeli economy and they give the capital in different tables. And one table I see capital import sby major [word unclear]. From 1950 to 1967, 17 years German personal institutions $1, 190,000. German reparation. It just means to the government.

Host: I assume you mean 1,019,000,000.

Caller 3:1, 190,000,000. Yes.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 3: German reparation means to the government, [word unclear] which gives a total of over $1, 900,000,000, from 1950 to 1967. This is one fact. And this gentleman started to come with a figure like 15 billion.

And then he changed. He said maybe 7 billion. And then I don’t know.

[30:27]

Caller 4: (female) [garbled voice] What happened to the jews. It doesn’t matter whether it’s jews. Any nationality. It’s hard. It’s trans to me shaking. And you said you don’t give a damn. Those words are you in my ears. And the doctors and nurses that hurt you and shame on you’re not a nice man. You’re a nervous man. You’re crazy! You’re not just saying the clay. You’re just soft. Good relaxing voice in the middle of the night. People like to hear a nice soft voice so we get.

Host: Well, they can listen to Red Gail, ma’am. He’s got a nice soft voice.

Caller 4: [garbled] They told me that you’re cold one day. Yes. You want to even send a meter down for you’re a nervous. Look, you’re not for this job. Get out the way and give the job to Mr. Lagock or Mr. McCray or all these nice boys who have a little bit of heart and knowledge of everything. You are cruel, man! Very cruel. And you did say that you don’t give a damn what happened to those poor people in the ovens. And you know it! You and your passions are. You have any. And goodbye. Okay.

Host: So I can’t know who she is. Not only do I know who she is, I know she’s been here longer. Because when we taped the call yesterday, and when we taped the threats she’s made against my life, it was compared with another tape when I was not even here.

But she also threatened Hank [word unclear] ’s life. And we have a tape of that also.

So I suggest to the ladies and if you want me to prove who you are, call back. I’ll tell you off the air who you are because we. There’s a lot of people who know you and have been calling us off the air, suggesting that no matter what you say, you’re not dangerous. But let me put it this way. If there’s another threat of the nature that you have made through Hank and to make myself, I’ll do everything in my power to have you committed.

Nightline.

Caller 5: Hello, Mr. Bell?

Host: Yeah. Nightline.

Caller 5: Hello.

Host: Yes, Right. Nightline.

Caller 5: Is that Nightline?

Host: It is.

Caller 5: Is that you, Robert Bell?

Host: Yes, it is.

Caller 5: Okay. I’d like to know what the hell the conflict about anti-semitism was.

Host: Well, it’s all starting. Started with the, …

Caller 5: Let me make myself a little clearer. I am the Anno Automata for sale.

Host: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Caller 5: Now, I listen to the two babes yelling at each other and you played a kind of neutral role. Now, where do you stand?

Host: Where do I stand at? One was attacking me, one was defending me. I guess I stand with the one who defends me. [chuckling]

Caller 5: I’m not interested in whether they attacked or defended. But did anybody have some right to say what they said?

Host: No.

Caller 5: Come on, you can do a little better than that!

Host: Well, you asked if they had a right to say what they said. They have a right to say what they want. Of course. Assume you mean say, …

Caller 5: I mean, did they reflect something you’ve done in the last couple of days or said in the last couple of days, pro-or anti?

Host: No. What was referred to? I answered the charge. The charge was that I said I did not give a damn. What I said was during the course of a hysterical conversation where the lady was screaming and hollering at me.

Caller 5: Keep the conversation out of it. But what is your feeling?

Host: My feeling about what, sir?

Caller 5: I think the charge was anti-semitism and pro-semitism or what?

Host: That’s right. Yes. Huh. Do you know what anti-semitism indicates?

Caller 5: All right, you tell me. What does it indicate?

[34:15]

Host: Well, for one thing, a Semite is descended from Shem. So this. This includes Arabs and Israelis.

Caller 5: Yeah, they were blood tests, as I recall.

Host: That’s right. They’re all Semites.

Caller 5: Right.

Host: Now, in the context that most people use it, which is incorrect, anti-semitism denotes anti-jewishness.

Caller 5: Well, yeah, but it’s sort of in a practical sense that you can accuse [word unclear] ’s at pragmatic. It sort of is the way it works. Right.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: Okay. Now let’s go back to what I listened to. These two broads, two young ladies that were talking to you. I couldn’t figure out what the hell is happening because I tuned in a little late and I haven’t listened to program for the last couple of days.

Host: Well, one called me a Hitler and one said I wasn’t.

Caller 5: Well, what the hell is the real score?

Host: Well, we’ve been dealing with the Middle East situation.

Caller 5: Right. And?

Host: And there are Arabs who say I am anti-Arab, and there are Arabs who say I am pro-Arab. There are jews who say I’m anti-Israeli, and there are jews who say I am pro-Israeli.

Caller 5: I don’t give a damn what you are! I’d rather you told me what you are!

Host: Well, [chuckling] if you don’t give a damn what I am, that doesn’t follow. Are you trying to ascertain with whom my sympathies lie in the Middle East dispute?

Caller 5: No, no, the point isn’t. I’ll correct myself. I didn’t mean to say. I don’t give a damn what you are. What I really meant to say was I want you to tell me what you think.

Host: I think, you’re talking about the Middle East situation?

Caller 5: That’s what you told me you were talking about.

Host: Right now there is a state, a Republic called Israel, in that area.

Caller 5: Was established in 1948.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: By the United Nations.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: And I’m sorry, go ahead.

Host: Anyway, the state is in existence. The Arab world does not recognize the existence of this state.

Caller 5: Well, they don’t do it. Well, they sort of recognize it, but they don’t recognize it from a political point of view.

Host: Right. My position is it is there. To me it exists. I recognize it. There will never be a relaxing of the state of hostility until the Arab world accepts the existence. There are many reasons why they do not accept the existence.

Caller 5: I follow you. Go ahead.

[36:47]

Host: Now in allowing Arabs to come on the line or anyone to come on the line and explain the other position, I opened myself to being charged with being anti-Israeli. The term has been anti-semitism and second Hitler and so on and so forth.

Caller 5: Wow! Second Hitler. You have a mustache.

Host: No, I don’t.

Caller 5: Okay. [chuckling] And you’re not a second Hitler. No. But have you made any pronouncements that have made these broads talk the way they do?

Host: No. Except in a private conversation with the hysterical one.

Caller 5: You shouldn’t have had a private, …

Host: I know I shouldn’t have!

Caller 5: This is the first place., …

Host: And I rarely break that rule! I rarely talk to anybody except on the air. And whenever I do, I’ve done it twice. [chuckling] It’s bad news.

But anyway, I did, fortunately, because of the equipment here. Taken the precaution of taping, you know,. So and also I taped her threats against my life and so on so forth.

Caller 5: [word unclear] this provocative conversation that set me up to this hour. My wife is listening here we have seen it.

[buzzer sounds]

Mr. Bell?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: When and if I hear you saying something wrong, I’ll get on and be even more malicious than these young ladies can be. Will you tell them to control their emotions and bring a little bit of rationalization or rationale to their conversation? I’m the guy who told you a couple of weeks ago that you are too patient with some of these idiots. Remember the day, …

Host: I don’t remember the conversation, but I do remember, …

Caller 5: I remember listening about five minutes later and some drunken old gal got on and she said:

“Well that pseudo intellectual comes on and tells us to be rational.”

Remember that?

Host: Yeah, vaguely.

Caller 5: Okay, that’s where I remember. No, but kidding aside, I’d like to hear your position on it. If there is a position or if you have a position and you’re going to be attacked no matter what your position.

Host: True, I’m in the position, the historical position of the jews who I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t but I have stated that I am basically., … Pardon?

Caller 5: I said being a jew, I know what the name of the game is.

Host: Ah.

Caller 5: Go ahead.

Host: Anyway, I have said that, as with most of the Western world, my sympathies are with the jews in this matter. In other words, I would be more, …

[39:24]

Caller 5: I’m not even sure I am a Democrat sympathetic to the jews. I think the Arabs have got a you know, they got a lot of problems. And I’m being facetious at the moment. But not completely because I think there are a lot of poor people, poor uneducated people that could benefit by what Israel could contribute to the Middle East. Not looking at something, not looking at it from a Westerner point of view, but just looking at it from the point of view of what fits to the Middle East. I think that the jews that have come there, who are mostly Europeans, highly educated, highly sophisticated, you know, technologically skillful, they could, you know, remake the goddamn Arab world and they’re ready to do it! I don’t mean every one of them. I’m not talking about orthodox religion, I’m talking about the people who would do it!

And I think that that the whole damn Middle East has become a boiling pot for western both politics and Soviet, US deal and they’ve lost sight. And guys like Nasser and maybe some of the jewish leaders too, have lost sight of the fact that if they want to make something good for their people, which is presumably what we’re all born to do, they’ve got to stop playing games, stop worrying about whether Mr. [word unclear] is an anti-semite because I don’t give a damn if he is, but if you are, don’t walk across the street with me at the same time, [host chuckled] stop giggling! I think if they., …

Host: That was a chuckle, sir.

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: That was a chuckle.

Caller 5: I don’t know. You might have burped. I think the point is that if we really care about the Middle East for the Middle East sake, then we ought to tell the Arabs, and I think the jews have been trying to do that they don’t always do it very carefully. But then again, the gentile world hasn’t done it very gently all the time either.

If you want to cooperate. Cooperate. You want to be a bunch of silly [buzzer]. You know, just. Did I hear any deep beats?

Host: I don’t know what he’s doing in there.

Caller 5: Something to either.

Host: I think he may be softening your conversation a bit. It’s a little colorful.

Caller 5: Who’s the he?

Host: Pardon?

Caller 5: I said who’s the he?

Host: My engineer.

Caller 5: I thought it was a censor. No, I think if you want to tell him, keep on with your own idiocy and keep up this nonsense in this part of the world, fine. I think the jews by any right have a right to Israel. And it’s debatable, but they are there and they’re a force for good so long as the Arab world wants to accept them. The Arab world wants to [word unclear] you on any kind of silly nonsense like filthy punk termite Carmichael that Canadians don’t own Canada because the Eskimos was here first and we are in a democracy because the Indians owned it first. Then you can listen to these guys and they’re right up to a point, and they’re seeing a certain amount of social injustice. But deep down, Israel the jews, have a right to that land on any international basis. And they proved it by virtue of their skill. And they could make the Arab lands richer, healthier.

Now their emotionalism is going to say:

“We don’t want the jews, we want our land back. We want to go back to the 17th century.”

Then, okay, they have a right to do that they have a right to do as Arabs, as Nasser did in 1968, 67, remember?

Host: Yes.

[44:07]

Caller 5: He said on Sunday:

“We’ll throw them into the ocean!”

The jew said:

“Look, if we’re going to be thrown into the ocean, like Mr, we’re not going to let you do that. We’re going to do the best we can to stop you.”

So then the rest of the world said:

“The jews were the aggressors.”

Because they sort of stopped the guy that would throw them into the ocean from throwing them to the ocean. Mr Bell, do you have anything to contribute?

Host: No. You’re saying, in effect what has been said over the past few days. And I have said over and over again, you know, there are three sides to the story. There’s the Arab side, there’s the Israeli side, and then there’s the truth! Because the Israelis are blinded on one side, the Arabs are blinded on one side. And you cannot be objective over an issue like this. It’s impossible! This is why it is fairly obvious that, at least it should be fairly obvious that I am. You know, if I have to be one or the other. I’m basically pro-Israeli. However, …

Caller 5: … Myself., … Problem.

Host: No, but that’s just my personal feeling.

Caller 5: But I gotta wait and that’s my problem. Now you go ahead.

Host: Yeah. Now, I think it cannot be objective. That does not preclude your being fair. And that is what I try to do, functioning on this program. I try to be fair.

In other words, there are these sides to be heard. And of course, because it’s an emotional issue and you cannot be objective about it. And I don’t expect anyone to be objective about it, I open for myself to incredible criticizm and threats against my life and so on and so forth.

Caller 5: Why don’t you expect anybody to be objective about it?

Host: I don’t see how it’s possible.

Caller 5: Why?

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue.

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue on both sides.

Caller 5: [buzzer sounds] Highly emotional? The French-Canadian separatism problem, the problem of the atom bomb, the problem of communism, of separatism, of everything. These are all highly emotional issues! No, I think you’re right. Most people are not capable of being objective. Including me and maybe you. I’m not including you because that’s your prerogative. But I don’t think it’s valid. Can’t be reasonably objective.

Host: Right. When I say, you know, ideally, objectivism or to be objective, it would be an ideal way to deal with it. But because it is unlikely, I say that there is no reason why you shouldn’t be fair.

Caller 5: Fair?

Host: I’m using that in place of the objectivity that you could use in reacting to another issue. In this particular type of issue, as I say, objectivity is unlikely. Are you open to taking a call, sir?

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: Are you open to taking a call?

Caller 5: I’ll take any calls at all!

Host: Go right ahead.

Caller 1: (female) Good evening.

Host: Good evening.

Caller 1: May I please speak to the gentleman who’s on with you now?

Host: Yes, go ahead.

Caller 1: Listen, Mr, I don’t know your name, but anyway, Mr Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all!

Caller 5: Hello here. Would you talk a little louder?

Caller 1: Right. Mr. Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all! Did you hear the night line last night? From 12 o’clock till 5 o’clock this morning?

Caller 5: Oh, dear! I Was busy sleeping, I think.

Caller 1: Well, let me. And it was obvious to everybody who was listening. It took a few hours, he [words unclear] that this man was upsetting every jewish person in Montreal.

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, he wasn’t upsetting me.

Caller 1: Well, he wasn’t upsetting you?

Caller 5: No, I wasn’t listening to him then.

Caller 1: He was upsetting me.

Caller 5: Okay, I’m sorry if he upset you. What did he do to you, [word unclear] idiot?

Caller 1: This neo-Nazi carried on for five hours!

Caller 5: What did he say?

Caller 1: He spoke all sorts of nonsense! We had very articulate jewish people on the line. We had very hysterical people on the line, people who had lost all their relations.

Caller 5: Okay, but what did Mr. Bell do?

Caller 1: Mr. Bell was absolutely neutral if he had anything to do. He gave the other chap all the time. He gave some people seven minutes. He gave some people a little longer.

Caller 5: I hear. Would you hold on for a minute? Okay. Mr Bell?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: You there?

Host: I am.

Caller 5: Did you do that?

Host: No, I did not. The gentleman was on the line, but in terms of time, my time and his time put together did not anywhere near equal the time in opposition, which, in effect was the jewish side.

Caller 1: He kept the man on five hours!

Host: Madam, I’m sorry. The jewish callers kept him on.

Caller 1: Mr Bell there were two callers. You gave them seven minutes, even then if they came back. I tried to get the line for five solid hours!

Host: Right. Now. When you add up all what we’ll call the jewish time and put it, let’s say, against the caller and my time and the news, you’ll find that the jewish callers had proportionately more time.

Now, I did not keep him on. The callers kept him on.

Caller 1: He kept me on the air for five hours with my position and [word unclear] beat the Arab people, I have no issue with Arabs coming on the line and explaining their side.

[49:52]

Host: Madam, when you called up, you want to talk to this gentleman, and I said:

“That’s fine.”

Now, if somebody calls up and wants to talk to you, that’s fine, too. You can hang on if you don’t object to taking their calls.

Caller 1: But I wanted to tell this gentleman that you were not telling him what went on last night, keeping him [words unclear] natural offender.

Caller 5: Dear, you listen to me for a minute. I didn’t listen to the conversation last night.

Caller 1: But I’m telling you I’m not, …

Caller 5: Hey, dear, I heard you and I got the message. Bell must be a rotten. Mr. Bell, you listening?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: Well, you must be kind of some kind of pervert! But he also is a very confident man that’s handling this kind of job. Are you listening, dear?

Caller 1: Yes.

Caller 5: Maybe from time to time, this kind of job is a battle. So don’t attack him until he tells you he’s an anti-semite.

[sound cut out]

Host: I mention to you that we are undergoing some technical difficulties. I have three engineers and they’re working on it. So you will be cutting out from time to time? Possibly. It’s unfortunate, but that’s where it has to be for the moment.

Caller 1: Is that Mr. Bell speaking?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: (female) I am the third party, Mr. Bell, and I would appreciate very much. Even if it’s off the air, I would appreciate to speak to that gentleman and, …

Caller 5: And Just a minute, dear.

Caller 2: Is it possible?

Host: Well, you’re talking to him now, ma’am.

Caller 2: Thank you.

Caller 5: Mr. Bell.

Host: Yes, sir.

Caller 5: Okay. I’m Hope, Chief Charity. And I said you’re Faith, …

Caller 2: Sir.

Host: So we have Faith, Hope and Charity on the line.

Caller 2: I am a human being. This is what happened. I appreciate the fact that you got, …

Caller 5: I wasn’t there and I didn’t look there, …

Caller 2: I appreciate the fact that you got out. The fate of the whole situation. I am not going to, … You know what that means?

Caller 5: I don’t speak that language. But go ahead, dear.

Caller 2: Oh, yes you do.

Caller 1: And I know what you mean.

Caller 2: You do?

Caller 1: Yes, I do.

Caller 2: Well, listen, the woman pulled up, …

Caller 5: How many women? Mr Bell.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: How many women, …

Host: Sir, you’re cutting out. Would you mind repeating what you said?

[52:32]

Caller 2: Hey, I said I appreciate the fact that the judgment got [word unclear] It saved the whole situation because that’s what we need, more brilliant people on the line, not just trusted on. If he’s such a hardened nurse, why listen to the stomach sickness in these days. Why isn’t she nursing? That’s the nurse I’m speaking of now, the gentleman was saying that the two women were young. I am in [word unclear] for the last two weeks, sir. And I heard everything. I heard the Sterling fellow and everybody. And I couldn’t cope with the way that both of the women were attacking Mr. Bell And I faced him. I came to his rescue. I don’t know if he cares to. There was such excitement. Well, why can’t Mr. Bell defend himself? He’s quite capable of defending himself. Oh, are you the lady? I’m the lady. Are you still the you call yourself a lady too? I’m not yelling at. I came on to speak to the gentlemen, and to Mr. Bell. I want to have a full weight.

Caller 1: [words unclear]

Caller 2: You’re not saying anything else, but the same thing all over again.

Caller 1: Please believe me. You didn’t believe me that I am jewish. I want to tell you I had more friends than you will ever have and I never had any misunderstanding with any one of them.

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, I came on. And you called me an anti-semite.

Host: All right, well, just moment. Let’s take space for a second. Go ahead.

Caller 5: Faith, faithful and charity.

Caller 2: Mr Bell, I came onto the air.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: To the gentleman, may I have my chance? May this lady please come on later.

Caller 1: Yeah, I’ll wait.

Caller 2: Well, I’ll be the judge of that, ma’am. Just stand by you have been designated Faith, hope and charity. Madam, you are Faith. Go ahead.

Caller 2: Now, Mr. Bell, if you knew that you were a upsetting so many people last night for five hours, why didn’t you cut this man? Why didn’t you stop the whole thing?

Host: Because upsetting one is no basis for cutting anyone off the air. We’ve had other discussions. I won’t even mention what they are, but they have upset people too.

Now, no matter what you talk about, if you’re dealing with an emotional issue, you’re going to upset people. And that just narrows what we, … I don’t want to get into budgie birds and puppies dogs and, …

Caller 2: Neither do I Mr Bell. But the whole point is this, that you knew quite well that the jewish people of this city whose relations are in Israel who are going to part of the war are in a panic anyway. You don’t need neo-Nazis to put us into a bigger panic!

[55:20]

Host: Well, you see, you’re accusing someone of being a neo-Nazi. That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. It is not my opinion and I am running the show.

Caller 2: Hey, but what about all the dozens of others or [words unclear] and accuse him of being a neo-Nazi too?

Host: Well, what about the dozens and dozens of calls that came in not accusing of being a neo-Nazi?

Caller 2: Because you really compare the intelligence of the few people who called you up to compliment you and say:

“Oh, Mr Bell, we enjoy your show. Carry on. You do the good work.”

To these people who came on this articulate woman last night, who gave you the position of Israel to the man who comes on pretty often. Do you know that this particular Nazi, and we probably do know by now, does not get onto Mr. Burns, sir, Mr. Burns says:

“I smell this Nazi and he never gets onto that show!”

So if Mr. Burns thinks he’s a Nazi, surely you appreciate Mr Burns intelligence? I mean, really, Mr. Bell, there’s something so sadistic about you and this man and this, …

Caller 5: Hey, doll, can I interrupt?

Host: Yes, sir, go right ahead, Hope.

Caller 5: Dear, I haven’t heard a thing and I didn’t listen to the program last night, but I haven’t heard of a thing that Mr. Bell did last night. I was wrong to start [word unclear] some character talk. Did he do anything other than that?

Caller 2: Do you want me to answer?

Caller 5: Yes, you’re the one that’s caught me.

Caller 2: He upset people to such an extent, …

Caller 5: No, no, I’m asking you a question here.

Caller 2: Yes. This is one of the suggestions he made, that the Israelis should pay the refugees reparation.

Caller 5: I think it’s a pretty goddamn [buzzer sounds] I’m all of the, … Go ahead.

Caller 2: Would you like the 6 million jews plus the 28 million, 24 million other people to come out and also have to pay the reparation? How do you pay for these human lives?

Caller 5: Well, I don’t know how you pay for human lives. And you’re right.

Caller 2: And don’t you., …

Caller 5: Mr Bell.

Host: Yes.

Caller 5: Just a minute.

Host: Yes.

Caller 5: Mr. Bell ought to participate.

Caller 2: Mr. Bell does not participate!

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, quiet down. Quiet down, …

Caller 2: I’m not your baby doll.

Caller 5: Well, if you’re not my baby doll. You’re somebody else’s.

Caller 2: That’s for sure.

Caller 5: Okay, fine. Sure. You got to be somebody’s baby doll. Mr. Bell.

Host: Yes, sir.

Caller 5: Come on! You, sir, participate.

Host: All right. In terms of evaluating the lives lost and the caller was on earlier referred to it as a grisly subject, which it is.

Caller 2: [buzzer sounds]

Host: On one side with his lawyers and a jewish leader on the other side with his lawyers arrived at a settlement. Let’s say. That was a figure was arrived.

Caller 5: In relation to what?

Host: In relation to the lives lost in Germany.

Caller 5: Okay, all right, now I got the message. Go ahead.

Host: Well, this term, rather this figure was based on, as the caller mentioned, the fact that a father is responsible for the upbringing of children up to the age of 21. So then the state took over at that point. In terms of other members of the family logic. It was arrived at in similar logic, let’s say a lawyer’s logic, I guess, for lack of a better term.

Caller 5: Yeah, I got the message. Go ahead.

Host: Well, that is all that I’m saying on that point.

Caller 5: What the hell is this broad [word unclear] you up?

Host: It’s upsetting the jewish population of Montreal.

Caller 2: Well, why is it upsetting the jewish population? They know that’s [word unclear] for no reason.

Caller 5: You’re not a baby doll. I know. Okay.

Caller 2: Isn’t that awful?

Caller 5: No. Okay. It’s not awful!

Caller 2: Now, what sort of a remark is that from that woman? Isn’t that awful?

Host: Well, let’s listen to the [word unclear] charity. Go ahead. Charity.

Caller 2: I mean, this is ridiculous! Wouldn’t like to get on three, four times a day.

Host: Okay, now Charity is on the line. Go ahead, Charity.

Caller 2: There’s a point of this that it’s a well known fact, or it should be to Mr. Bell.

Host: One moment. You’re Faith, you’re Faith.

Caller 5: I’m sorry. [word unclear] responsibility. Mr. Bell.

Host: One moment, sir. One moment, sir.

Caller 4: You know you’ll never change that woman’s mind. She sticks to the same story. I shall tell tomorrow to every one.

Caller 2: And I discuss this with Mr. Bell. I don’t want that woman on the earth. I have nothing to do.

Caller 4: I can say the same things for you, my dear.

Caller 2: But I didn’t call up to talk to you, madam.

Caller 4: I didn’t talk to you.

Caller 2: I mean, you’re just a false spoke to the wheel.

Ernst Zundel: I would like my listeners to realize that all three individuals arguing with one another so vehemently are jews. Faith, Hope and Charity. All three are jews! The debate raged on. Much material was brought out and I would like you to have the opportunity to inform yourself further to these issues. You can obtain material book list from us from Zamistad, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Postal code M5A 2L1. Telephone number 416-922-9850. [No longer valid]

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Ernst Zundel – 1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics 1 – Transcript

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Ernst Zundel

1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal

Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics – 1

Sat, Jul 15, 1967

[The transcript is part of a 1967-68 radio show in Montreal featuring Ernst Zundel discussing Israel and Jewish topics.

Zundel says he got “a really good public hearing” on these controversial topics.

He says there was pressure on the radio station from jewish groups over his appearances.

Zundel criticises the argumentation tactics of jewish callers, saying they use “constant interruption, constant deflection manoeuvres, constant ridiculing.”

A jewish caller accuses Zundel of being “a German pro-Nazi.”

Zundel defends himself, saying he was only 6 years old when WWII ended.

There is debate over German reparations payments to Israel and jewish individuals.

Zundel cites figures from the German consulate about reparations payments.

A jewish caller challenges Zundel’s figures and sources.

There is discussion of German scientists working for Arab countries after WWII. (25:00)

The bombing of Dresden is brought up as a counterpoint.

Zundel suggests Israel should pay reparations to Palestinian refugees.

The caller argues this is impractical and wouldn’t lead to peace.

There is debate over Israeli retaliation for terrorist attacks.

The caller accuses Zundel:

“I haven’t heard you say a good thing about the Israelis.”

The origins of Ashkenazi jews are debated, with Zundel citing the “Khazar theory.”

The caller strongly disputes this theory:

“What are you talking about?”

Throughout, there are heated exchanges and accusations of bias on both sides.

The host tries to moderate and says “There are three sides to this story. There’s the Israeli side, the Arab side and the truth!”

Zundel frequently cites statistics and historical claims that are challenged by the callers.

There are repeated arguments over who has legitimate claims to Israel/Palestine.

The tone is often combative, with interruptions and personal attacks.

Zundel presents himself as offering a “German perspective” on these issues.

The caller accuses Zundel of anti-semitism and Nazi sympathies.

The radio host allows Zundel to speak at length but also gives time to opposing callers.

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Ernst Zundel: This is Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel. I’m about to share with you what by now is a historical series of interviews, talk shows, tape recorded excerpts of radio shows and reactions to radio shows which I did in Montreal in 1967-68.

I used to live in Montreal for nine years amongst French-Canadians. Enjoyed my stay amongst the French-Canadian population immensely. It was a very interesting time for me in that I attended university in Montreal and was very active politically speaking. Sometimes four times a week at different places in churches, businessmen’s clubs, union halls, air cadets, Boy Scouts, schools and so on about political topics, mainly communism, separatism, and of course, my always and ever ready favourite topic, namely the swindle of the 6 million jews.

In those days, this was completely new terrain for me, as it was for everybody else. No one in the Western world publicly had discussed this topic very much and it was positively dangerous to one’s health to touch upon this topic.

However, I was writing a column in the university student newspaper and gave speeches at the university and so on, and always ready and willing to have an intellectual scrap, or whatever you want to call it.

I decided one night that I would like to discuss this particular topic on radio. And it came shortly after the war in 67, the Arab-Israeli war. And the reaction was so fantastic that I decided to tape some of these talk shows. Unfortunately, it would take hours and hours and hours to bring all the tapes that I have. So these here are really excerpts. The moderator of the show was a young English Canadian whom I have never met to this day, certainly only knew from the air, never even spoke in private via the telephone, always only while we were on the air or during commercial breaks. He was about my age, and later on I heard through somebody at the radio station that his father was in fact an RCMP, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police captain.

Now, I have no idea if this was the reason why this young man was allowing me so much airtime. It was an absolutely incredible situation in that he did allow me sometimes five hours of often very little interrupted time to expostulate and to expound my outlooks and theories on life. So much so as can be deducted later on from some of the statements made by jewish scholars who are complaining about the amount of airtime that I got.

He was a very kind fellow. I thought he was eminently fair. And for the first time I felt that the gentile side, or certainly my side or the German side of this issue got a really good public hearing and a good airing.

This issue that we are discussing in the following tape the Arab-Israeli dispute and the German reparations payment was so intensely and intensively discussed that delegations from the Canadian jewish Congress and from the Israeli consulate used to visit the radio station, putting all kinds of pressure on that radio station. And it’s again evident by what the moderator later on is saying when he repeats that he has had death threats and assassination threats, boycott threats and so on.

Also it is evident from the reaction of the jewish callers themselves. I would like to draw your attention to the fact of argumentation, how the jewish community of Montreal, both young and old, European and Canadian, male and female, of how they argue, the tactics and the methods that they employ. It is a tremendous lesson to be learnt.

All the hate and the vilification that can be mustered against an individual totally unknown to them, except for what is being said on the radio comes through there. You can see the intolerance towards me and towards things German. You can also see how impolite these people are in that they constantly interrupt me in this particular case. And they would do the same with other Gentiles, never to allow us to bring a thought, to develop it and to draw it to a logical conclusion. Constant interruption, constant deflection manoeuvres, constant ridiculing!

And another interesting feature of the discussion is obviously always the attack from the jewish side against the individual that is launching some kind of an idea. Never so much as to the content of the idea. Usually the attempt is made to destroy, in effect, the accuser. And I’m called a Nazi, a Neo-Nazi, a German, in the most hateful undertones, and men and women alike. It is very interesting.

The man is desperate and asked me during a commercial break to please come to his rescue. This is Mr Bell, the moderator, and to say something nice about the Israelis. Not that I had said anything that wasn’t nice, but he thought I should get him off the hook and get some of the pressure off him by stating my case of what the heck I was really driving at. Because he was being accused on air, off air, by the station manager and by the station employees, many of them who were jewish, of being an anti-semite of the worst kind!

And so that young man was desperate. And since he treated me very fairly, I also came out to take the pressure off him with one of my statements about my policy on Israel and so on.

Now, when one listens to this whole tape, I want to be specifically reminding you, listen to what happens to statistics when money is discussed. Statistics, sums of money, sums of people and so on. Money and numbers of money and amounts of dollars and amounts of people have nothing to do in the discussion on the airwaves. People get lost, confused! Just listen to the pauses in the argumentation whenever we are discussing different statistical facts and so on. This is a very important point.

[09:19]

In closing, I will have to point out yet again that the station manager was forced to have flown by a special courier plane every morning the five hour long tapes to the board of broadcast governors at that time in Ottawa, the capital of Canada. And these men would sit there and listen to the argumentation going on because the president of the Canadian Jewish Congress, Dean Maxwell Cohen, had stated in front of a Senate committee at the time that Ernst Zundel was:

“Poisoning the air and pitting jew against gentile.”

And so on in Canadian society. And the station was under threat to lose its licence. In effect, what happened, the programme was pushed back towards very late at night. The times were changed for the program. Sponsors were lost. This young man, Mr. Bell, in effect was again fired from his job, lost his livelihood and the station closed this particular talk show down!

Once again, jewish pressure had succeeded in silencing a voice. Listen to the tapes now.

[Start of radio show recording]

Ernst Zundel: An inexpensive way for Israel of gaining allies and of undermining Nasser and the other high hats. The $1 billions. This is pretty close to what the war costs currently. New budget came out in Israel and it allocates 37% of the total budget of the state of Israel for defense.

Radio Host: Right. Okay, there’s a call on the line now. And I don’t know whether this caller has figures or opinions.

Hello?

Caller 1: Hello? Hello. Yes, I want to explain something. This man who is talking to you is a German pro-Nazi, you understand? I know him. I don’t understand why you’re so interested in these stories.

Ernst Zundel: Well, is there a law against being interested in those stories?

Caller 1: I know that you are pro-Nazi German.

Ernst Zundel: It’s wonderful how you throw labels around. What are you?

You want to declare yourself? What you are?

Caller 1: Don’t try to come out and [words unclear] Speak to him. You’re in Canada, you’re not in Germany.

Ernst Zundel: I know I’m in Canada, that’s why I’m speaking Over The Airwaves here.

Caller 1: No, come on! Here you understand. Go to Adolf [word unclear]. You are pro-Nazi. I know who you are.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, you are pretty rude, sir. Truth hurts doesn’t it?

Caller 1: You try to come out to Mr. Bell, but you never have a truth.

Ernst Zundel: Very true. I don’t have a chance with Mr. Bell.

Caller 1: Right. You are a pro-Nazi. Go to [word unclear] Okay?

Ernst Zundel: Maybe it indicates something. Maybe it indicates something.

[Caller hangs up]

Radio Host: Now we’re dealing right now with some figures that are contrary to figures I have. And we’re getting callers. You have a few calls to take here.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Radio Host: Now, I don’t know if anyone has any figures against the figures you have, which you got from the consulate here. This is not the first time that whether you are on the air or off the air, that someone has accused you of being a Neo-Nazi or something. How do you react to that?

Ernst Zundel: Well, of course, being a German, they think it sticks.

But I would like to remind them that I was born in 1939. That made me exactly, let’s say three years old when Hitler was at his supreme. It made me six years old when the Allies liberated us. Moroccan troops and Algerian troops. And I had three sisters at the time. And I would like to tell those people how it felt to be liberated as a 6 year old boy. I also saw 141 bullet holes where my mother was chased across a field By a, [word unclear] you know.

Radio Host: Algerian and Moroccan troops. Where were you? Where were you exactly?

Ernst Zundel: Black Forest.

Radio Host: In the Black Forest?

Ernst Zundel: Maybe Freudenstadt, was burned down completely. The hospital city of Freudenstadt is about half an hour away from where I was born. Neighbor city of Portheim was bombed in February and, 20,000 people got killed in one night. All that as a boy. You never forget those things, the sirens wailing, the bombers coming across and everything else, you know.

Anyways, I was 6 years old when the war was over. Now I have a boy, he’s 8 years old. If I were to ask him, are you a conservative or liberal? He wouldn’t know. Certainly was no card carrying member of the Nazi party. I immigrated to Canada at the youth of 19, not even. I have been here for the last 10 years.

So I don’t quite see why I should go and discuss my ideas on the Middle East with Mr. Fontaine. As a matter of fact, I think it’s very intolerant from the man they called. Am I any less a Canadian because I am of German origin? I would like to remind this man that we are Canada’s third largest ethnic group by far. That we are far more numerous than the Ukrainians and that we are far more numerous than the jewish Canadians.

In other words, I have just as much legitimate right to be discussing anything that I believe, including the Middle East.

Radio Host: Right. Well, you don’t feel that you’re anti-Israeli?

Ernst Zundel: No, I’m not. No, I’m not anti-Israeli.

But as I always say in every discussion, there is not only two sides to a coin, there is three sides to a coin.

Radio Host: That’s what I say.

[15:08]

Ernst Zundel: And if I look at the Middle East, I look at those hapless Arabs in their tents and those Arab soldiers, I know they have no axe to grind against Israel. They are victims of very emotional propaganda, because anybody that has a short wave receiver can pick it up. The operator of Radio Cairo. And the argument always emanating from Cairo is:

“That the jews have stolen your land and that’s why you are living in misery and in poverty.”

That’s why your Radio Cairo is lying.

So [word unclear] last week called and suggested that possibly a way out for the Israelis would be to pay a settlement to those people that lost their home, and their fields, in their stores in 1948 and possibly 1953. Is that a crime? Is that unreasonable? Is that being Nazi? I don’t see so.

Radio Host: Well, I think we have a gentleman on the line that you were talking with originally.

Sir?

Caller 1: Yes.

Radio Host: You’re on the air.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Caller 1: Okay. Now, I don’t know about what you were when you were six, but you’re not six now. So the fact that you were six when Hitler was in power doesn’t have any logical reference to what you might be. Now, I’m not saying what you are or are not, but that has as illogical as an argument.

Let me ask you this.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: You say that two things. In the first place, you gave a figure, incidentally, I’m the chap you spoke to you last week.

Ernst Zundel: Right. I recognise your voice.

Caller 1: You gave a figure that a certain number of billions of dollars was paid to individuals, right. In Israel. What was that figure?

Ernst Zundel: According to the German consulate, it’s seven billion.

Caller 1: Seven billion?

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: Now, how many jews were in Germany in 1933? German jews?

Ernst Zundel: 680,000.

Caller 1: How many German jews were killed by the Nazis?

Ernst Zundel: I think the figure is 320,000.

Caller 1: Well, I have a figure for you.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: It’s a very large one. In fact, I think it’s a bit exaggerated. But even if that’s a true figure., …

Ernst Zundel: How much is it?

Caller 1: About 100,000 German refugees, German jews were left after the war. I think that’s a high figure, but I’m not sure. But even if that’s a high figure, if they all went to Israel, which they didn’t do, you see, if they all went to Israel, which they didn’t do, and if they were all paid according to you, they would all, by my calculation, they would all receive, have received about $55,000 a piece!

Ernst Zundel: Just a moment, sir. Just a moment. I know figures.

Caller 1: Let me ask you this now.

Ernst Zundel: No, just you let me answer you right back.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: So we don’t get off the track here.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: The missing 200,000 or 250,000. Between my figure and your figure. Did you ever think that many jews between 1933 and 1938 went to Czechoslovakia?

Caller 1: Are you kidding?

Ernst Zundel: No, I’m not on that. I’m dead serious, man! I can bring you very [words unclear] that went to Czechoslovakia and that went to Vienna and that went to France and that went to, …

Caller 1: Are you kidding?

Ernst Zundel: I’m dead serious.

Caller 1: How can you be. How can you be. How can you be dead serious?

Ernst Zundel: Okay, we have a very prominent Montreal journalist that is always interviewed, that writes for many tourist papers. If Mr. Bell wants to pass the name up, I’ll give you the name. He left Germany in 1933.

Caller 1: Of course. Of course, there was some. But it required a great deal of money and they had to leave most of their property behind.

Ernst Zundel: But he didn’t. This man’s father didn’t.

Caller 1: Yeah, well, you have an individual case.

Ernst Zundel: Just a moment.

Caller 1: You have an individual case.

Okay, so how many were left? 300,000, you say. If there are 300,000 German jews left.

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t say that. The figures that, as you said to yourself, there are some exaggerated figures.

Caller 1: No, no, my figures exaggerated 100,000. I think it was very much fewer. But even if it’s 100,000, that would give each one of them $55,000. Is that what they got in reparations from Germany?

Ernst Zundel: Sir, I didn’t count the money. All I did is some research. Told the authorities that paid the money and that had the money on the book.

Caller 1: Now, did you go to the people who received the money?

Ernst Zundel: No, sir, I didn’t try to.

Caller 1: Well, let me give you some advice. If you go down the street from the West German consulate, there’s the Israeli consulate.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: Why didn’t you bother to take the figures that you got from the German consulate down to the Israeli consulate, and ask them if they put the same interpretation or indeed if they have the same figures that you got from the Germans? Does that ever occur to you? If you’re a journalist?

Radio Host: That’s a fairly good idea.

Caller 1: You’re a journalist, aren’t you?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, sir, it has occurred to me.

Caller 1: Well, before you get on the earth, before you send any stories to any newspapers, before you publish anything, go and check your figures from both sources. You say stories have two sides, and these three sides!

Ernst Zundel: Would the New York Times be a good source for accurate information?

Caller 1: I just told you what to do. And why didn’t you go to the Israeli consulate?

[20:05]

Ernst Zundel: Sir, would the New York Times you good source?

Caller 1: No, I don’t trust. I don’t trust any newspaper.

Ernst Zundel: Don’t eh?

Caller 1: No.

Ernst Zundel: Well, maybe I’m a bit more trustworthy. I trust that the Minister of Finance.

Caller 1: All I have of course is your report of what you read in the New York Times.

Ernst Zundel: The Minister of Finance of Germany had faced 482 Parliamentarians in Germany. Plus the whole press corp.

Caller 1: Yeah, yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Plus the Canadian [words unclear], plus the Canadian Jewish Eagle, plus the International Scientist Organisation and stated that we have, …

Caller 1: Let me ask you something else. Let me ask you something else.

Ernst Zundel: Go right ahead.

Caller 1: You mentioned the Canadian Jewish Eagle, eh, This is a Yiddish newspaper.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: I have many, many Christian friends here in Canada. As a matter of fact my adult years were all spent amongst non-jews. I’m a very jewish person. I would have to speak to 1,000 of them to find out anyone who has ever heard of the Canadian Jewish Eagle. How come you’re so interested? How do you know about it?

Ernst Zundel: Is it a crime to be?

Caller 1: No, no!

I’m just curious as to how you come to know about it. Do you read Yiddish?

Ernst Zundel: Do I read Yiddish?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: That’s my business. I just might, you know.

Caller 1: You just might.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: Just like [word unclear] and he reads Yiddish too.

Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you something. If maybe that indicates something to you that my grandfather’s name was Isidor Meyer.

Caller 1: Isidor Meyer?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah. How do you like that for [word unclear] You think about that for a while.

Caller 1: Listen, listen. If you know any German history, you would know that German history is filled with a man like, … Do you know any German history? Ever hear of a man named Peppercorn?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I know a man.

Caller 1: He went by the name named Peppercorn, lived about 400 years ago.

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

Caller 1: And he was one of the worst anti-semites, a convert, that ever lived. I don’t care what your grandfather was called. You see, that’s not evidence of any kind.

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say whether I read Yiddish or not.

Caller 1: I’m just curious about your interest in it, you see. What is your interest?

Ernst Zundel: My interest is.

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: I’m interested in many things. You want to have a couple of statistics?

Caller 1: No, no, just why are you. Why are you so interested in the jewish question and Israel?

Ernst Zundel: Because it is very vitally involved with Germany and with the history that we are being taught.

Caller 1: Can I read something to you in a moment, Mr. Bell?

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Bell.

Radio Host: Yeah, I’m listening.

Caller 1: You got a moment there? Can I read something? I’ll give you the name of the guy who wrote it just in the paper as well, but just let me read it, if we’re concerned with these raids back and forth and the German interest in it.

Radio Host: Ah ha.

Caller 1: One of the more efficient leaders. This is a publication date of January 3rd.

Ernst Zundel: What year?

Caller 1:1969.

One of the more efficient leaders of the Al Fatah terrorist organisation is a tall, slender man who calls himself Al Hatch, “Pilgrim” in English. Al Hatch heads a group of specialists trained to assemble bombs which in turn are smuggled into crowded civilian areas of Old Jerusalem. In all likelihood, the recent terrorist attack which cut scores of lives in all Jerusalem, most of them women and children, are the work of this man.

Al Hatch is a master of disguise. He crosses the border sometimes in Arab guard, but more often dressed like a European. He also sports a forged Swiss passport. In his European clothes, he does not look one bit like an Arab, and for this reason, he was able to cross practically at will until his identity became known. There’s a good reason why Al Hatch is able to pass as a European. He is none other than Richard Winterhalter, formerly of the SS Death head squad. Winterhalter, wanted by West Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia for war crimes, operated both in Terezin, Theresienstadt and Auschwitz. Winterhalter was the key man who arranged for the death trains bringing elderly people from Terezin to the Birkenau extermination factories. He has also trained the special command of Auschwitz prisoners temporarily reprieved from the gruesome task of bringing bodies of murder victims from gas chambers to the crematoria.

Winterhalter escaped from a British prisoner of war camp during the summer of 1945 and crossed him to Italy. From there he made his way to Egypt, where he converted to Islam. During 1949, he made his pilgrimage to Mecca, calling himself Al Hatch. The newly created Mohammedan, promptly joined the battle against Israel and served under the notorious Mufti of Jerusalem. So, on about the deliberation plan.

Ernst Zundel: Now, who writes? What paper is it?

Caller 1: This is written by Peter Lust.

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, Mr. Peter Lust. Wonderful.

Caller 1: Yeah. Now, this information, since he names this name, it suggests to me several things. In the first place, I want to ask a general question. I don’t dislike the Germans. I’ve been to Germany several times. I’ve met many young German people, in fact, in Israel. But I don’t understand. This is what I just can’t get through my mind about the German engineers who worked in Egypt, the German engineers who are working in Syria.

The Germans are helping these people now to fight the jews. Why can’t they just leave them alone? You know, they tried to get rid of them 30 years ago, 20 years ago. Why can’t they just leave them alone? Why just have to go on and on trying to get rid of what Hitler left over. Can you explain that to me as a German?

[25:08]

Ernst Zundel: I don’t know.

Caller 1: Have you ever thought about it?

Ernst Zundel: I don’t. Look, I came to Canada when I was 19 years old.

Caller 1: Don’t give us that bit again. You know. How old are you now? You’re 30?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, I’m 30.

Caller 1: So you read newspapers?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I do.

Caller 1: So you read about your fellow Germans who work for the Egyptians and the Syrians? What do you think about it?

Ernst Zundel: What do I think about it?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: They’re engineers. They were forbidden by the allied, …

Caller 1: What do you think about it? No, don’t tell us about what they were forbidden. What do you think about it as a fellow German?

Ernst Zundel: You don’t have to be so aggressive. Anybody that shouts and screams indicates usually that he is [word unclear]

Caller 1: Not necessarily. If he gets stupid replies, he has to shout.

Ernst Zundel: I haven’t even made my replies, because you are so aggressive. So.

Caller 1: Well, what do you think about it?

Ernst Zundel: What do I think about it?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: These people like for instance, Messerschmitt that build a plane for the Egyptians and the engineers like. Well, I think Metzgar is one of his name that builds El Kahir that never brought fire during the Arab-Israeli war, which is a rocket with a 600 mile range, along the V2 line. These men, by the treaties of or by the Nuremberg Judgment, are forbidden to build this kind of stuff in Germany. So they were looking for new fields.

Caller 1: Yeah, but why did you mean. Was that the only place. You know? There are many Germans who go to Israel to work. I’ve met them there. I’ve met them working in the kibbutzene, if they wanted. If they wanted to go someplace to work.

Ernst Zundel: If you are Messerschmitt that had designed jet planes and rockets, you’re hardly inclined to continue your career in an Israeli kibbutz.

Caller 1: I suppose. I thought he could have gone to Brazil where Dr. Mengele is, you know.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah. What is Dr Mengele, is he a rocket engineer?

Caller 1: No. Well, I could have gone to Brazil needs. It’s a funny thing, but they always end up. They always seem to end up on the side facing the jews! What do they want from us?

Ernst Zundel: Wernher von Braun is he facing the jews, sir?

Caller 1: You got one example there. And you had dozens working in Syria and Egypt.

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that followed Apollo lately knows precisely how many German rocket scientists are in America.

Caller 1: I’m not so excited about Wernher von Braun either I’m interested in knowing from him he’s going to testify in a trial. You know, I’m interested in knowing from him just as I’m interested in knowing from other just plain soldiers when they were in Germany for that long period. And since they are not stupid people. He knew exactly what he was doing when he was designing the V2s. You know, his conscience is not that kind that gives me admiration. I would just assume, just assume if he had been told that if he didn’t design the vehicles, they would shoot him, that he had let himself be shot. You know, he’s not one of my great heroes.

Ernst Zundel: How many of you Russian scientists that created the what they call the Stalin Organ rocket?

Caller 1: I haven’t the slightest idea about that.

Ernst Zundel: All right, how many of the, …

Caller 1: Let me ask you one last question.

Ernst Zundel: How many of the Canadians. Hang on for a moment. Do this one by one. Okay.

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: You thought you could bring in a couple of good points and let me answer them.

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Those people that designed Liberator bombers.

Caller 1: I haven’t the slightest idea.

Ernst Zundel: Jews themselves.

Caller 1: Liberator bombers?

Ernst Zundel: That turned Dresden into a fiery inferno.

Caller 1: Are you? You’re not serious, are you?

Ernst Zundel: I’m dead serious.

Caller 1: The more you talk. You know, you’d be smart if you hung up right now. The more you talk you give yourself away.

Ernst Zundel: Why are you afraid you’re losing the argument?

Caller 1: No, what’s the point of bringing Dresden into this?

Ernst Zundel: Because in Dresden the estimates are apart from Mr. Peter Lust that was invited by Walter Ulbricht at his expense to go behind the Iron Curtain. I think Mr. Irving in England wrote a book about it.

Caller 1: Yes, I read the book. I read the book.

Ernst Zundel: All right. He says 300,000 people got killed in one single bombing raid.

Caller 1: Yeah, well, if the Germans had been smart in 1933 and they sat on Hitler, they wouldn’t have killed in 1944.

Ernst Zundel: We are not talking about who is smart. We are talking about what crimes.

Caller 1: Well, the Germans themselves were responsible for it. That was no crime. I’m against it. I’m against killing anyone. I wouldn’t have killed that one. You know, I’m against killing everyone. But once you start on that road, once you start on that road, that’s the way you end up.

[29:23]

Ernst Zundel: Yes, but anyway, doesn’t that answer my original argument again?

Caller 1: No, it has nothing to do with it because the people, …

Ernst Zundel: Wernher von Braun should have shot himself?

Caller 1: Yes, absolutely! Before even trying to [word unclear].

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. Air Vice Marshall Harris that was in charge in England of the bombing of Dresden. There over 300,000 people, mainly refugees and women in an undefended city. It was called an “open city” via the Red Cross from Geneva. There was not one fighter plane that protected it. No [words unclear].

Caller 1: I can just imagine Hitler doing that. Well, my dear chap, I mean this is the information you get from what side?

Ernst Zundel: These 300,000 people got killed. I don’t see Air Vice Marshall Harris shooting himself.

Caller 1: That’s hardly a comparison, you know. Air Marshall Harris was fighting against an aggressor. It was Hitler that started the war!

Ernst Zundel: Well, you know, finding out [word unclear] is very interesting because, …

Caller 1: I see. As I told you’d better hang up. The longer you talk, the more you give yourself away.

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. We’ll come back to it because you, …

Caller 1: You certainly sound like a six year old.

Ernst Zundel: Fine. I’m taking history at Sir George Williams University, sir. And you know what they are teaching us there? That at the very same time, I think it’s Sep 9, 1939, that Hitler walked into one side of Poland, Stalin walking to the other side of Poland. He occupied half of Poland and Hitler occupied the other side of Poland.

Caller 1: Two birds of a feather.

Ernst Zundel: Pardon?

Caller 1: So how does that make Hitler less an aggressor?

Ernst Zundel: If you are fighting the aggressor. Your point was that Air Vice Marshall Harris was fighting an aggressor?

Caller 1: That’s right. Hitler walked into Czechoslovakia, …

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. Why was Air Vice Marshal Harris not also bombing Moscow?

Caller 1: They weren’t fighting with Moscow? Moscow wasn’t the enemy.

Ernst Zundel: Moscow was an aggressive, just as much as Hitler was!

Caller 1: Yeah, but Moscow hadn’t attacked England. Moscow wasn’t firing V2s at England. Besides that Hitler had, …

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear] aren’t you?

Caller 1: No, no. Yeah, you give yourself away.

Let me ask you one last thing. Let’s get back to 1968. Let’s get back to 1969.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: We follow your advice. The Israeli government from the $14 billion plus the $7 billion it’s got for the individuals.

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say that.

Caller 1: Incidentally, is that the word that the Germans are using reparations that they paid to Israel?

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 1: What word do they use?

Ernst Zundel: In German they call it [word unclear] That means “to make good again”.

Caller 1: I see, Right. It’s not reparations since Israel wasn’t at war with Germany, right?

Ernst Zundel: And then some Germans wonder if Israel didn’t exist as a state, why Germany should pay for it as it didn’t exist?

Caller 1: Yeah, that’s a good question. Do you wonder that too?

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’m just pointing out to you.

Caller 1: Let me ask you guys. Let’s carry on then here, eh? You say you’re suggesting to solve the problem in the Middle East. East that Israel with its $14 billion and its $7 billion.

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say 14 billion and 7 billion. You got the figures wrong. You should listen more closely, let hear what you want to hear.

Caller 1: Didn’t you say that the reparations, so-called, to Israel was $14 billion and the money paid to individuals was $7 billion? Isn’t that what you said?

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

Caller 1: What did you say?

Ernst Zundel: I said that under the treaty with the state of Israel directly, Germany made payments to the state of Israel to the tune of $3, 450,000,000. And this, …

Caller 1: What’s the 14 billion dollar figure?

Ernst Zundel: Pardon?

Caller 1: What’s the 14,000,000,000 dollar figure?

Ernst Zundel: I said up to 1969 all the reparations by policy paid to individuals, to the state, people living outside Israel was $14 billion.

Caller 1: Including people living outside Israel?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the Israeli government?

Ernst Zundel: Okay, I’ll try. I’ll do it slowly for you. Okay.

I said separate treaty. One is between Israel as a state, you know as a state government of Israel?

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Between the Bonn government and the Israeli government. Money involved in that?

Caller 1: Yes, that’s 3, 450,000, you say.

Ernst Zundel: And there were payments involved between Israeli and between jewish individuals and carrying Israeli passport. But they don’t have to live in Israel, because Germany allows a dual citizenship in the case of a jew. Do you understand?

Caller 1: So you’re not including the figure of German ex-German refugees who had never gone to Israel? You’re not adding in that figure? You know, not all German refugees went to Israel.

Ernst Zundel: I know that.

Caller 1: So you’re talking with German refugees who either went to Israel and left or else they got the Israeli passport and here’s the passport. Okay, well this is a small thing. The first thing, let me repeat that you better, you’d better go to the Israeli consulate and find out what their side of the story is. Now in addition to that, let’s take your figure for what it. Let’s take your figure for what it may be. I accept your figure!

Ernst Zundel: Israel and James Weissman and David Ben Gurion and Levy Ashbolt, they have never quarrelled with these figures. Because these figures are open for everyone to see, including Mr [word unclear]

Caller 1: I accept them all. I’m not quarrelling with them either. I accept them in total, including your translation into German Reichmarks, so it sounds like 50 billion. But I’m not quarrelling with that. You’re suggesting, you’re suggesting, …

[35:03]

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. I’m afraid I have to translate it into German marks because Germany doesn’t deal in [word unclear] or in [word unclear].

Caller 1: Yeah, but what purpose was there for you to mention German marks at all? All Canadians can understand dollars.

Ernst Zundel: It’s the currency to start with, ..

Caller 1: Yeah, I know, but you you said whatever the figure was 50 billion Marks. That sounds like $50 billion to someone not listening carefully.

Ernst Zundel: One second after I gave it in dollars. So look, don’t, …

Caller 1: Yeah, okay.

Ernst Zundel: You’re terribly suspicious, I must say.

Caller 1: So we’ve got whatever billions of figures you got there. And you’re suggesting that they should take some of this money and pay to whatever refugees are within their reach. Well, how much to each one.

Ernst Zundel: Nope. The last time I suggested. And this is my suggestion as an individual, it’s not a German government policy. They would be horrified if they heard me discuss this problem anyways because they’re such cowards when it comes to this.

Caller 1: What have you got to do with them? You said you’re a Canadian. What do they care what you say? What do they care what you say?

Ernst Zundel: I’m just declaring it to you.

Caller 1: Yeah, okay. So what’s your figure? 500 bucks a piece?

Ernst Zundel: No, I said commensurate with what they lost. And this is very easy.

Caller 1: But they didn’t lose anything, you see. They weren’t chased away. They left of their own accord, as you said yourself, because the legislation, the agreement, or rather the resolution that was passed at the United Nations at that time in 1947, which divided Palestine, remember not including Jordan, just Palestine, west of the Jordan, into two states, gave to the Israelis only that part of Palestine which was generally occupied by jews on land which they had bought from the effendis, and for which, incidentally, they also paid the peasants who didn’t own it at all!

In other words, these refugees didn’t leave from any land which at that time belonged to the jews. They left of their own accord, as you have yourself admitted on broadcast. On broadcast from their Arab neighbours. Okay, now, so what should, what should they be compensated for?

Ernst Zundel: Let me continue. First of all, many people that left were not peasants. Many of them were, …

Caller 1: I didn’t say that they were peasants. Those that left from [word unclear] weren’t peasants.

Ernst Zundel: You know, in other words.

Caller 1: But they weren’t chased away.

Ernst Zundel: Look, this wasn’t my argument at all! You’re always trying to put words in my mouth. I didn’t say that you don’t have to be hostile.

Caller 1: So why should they have to be recompensed for what I said?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, hold on. Look, tonight when I came on again, if Israel is in need of allies, which I think she is, and Israel says she is, then those 2 million Arabs would be very good allies.

Caller 1: What makes you think that?

Ernst Zundel: What makes me think that?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Because these people are, I’m sure, very tired of living in tents. They would be very good friends of Israel if they thought that the Israelis were giving them a hefty deal than the Arabs.

Caller 1: And it’s your speculation that if they were paid by the Israelis, they would suddenly become friends of the Israelis. Is that your speculation?

Ernst Zundel: Hold on, those Arabs that are living in Israel since 1948, you yourself and every other jewish caller that called said they are treated like an Israeli, they are prospering, they have all the military service and everything else.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: Are they hostile to Israel?

Caller 1: Generally speaking, no.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. You see what I mean?

Caller 1: No, but it’s hardly the same thing, you know.

Ernst Zundel: It’s the same thing. Right now hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees are living in territory administered by Israel.

So what I was suggesting was extend the same policies that you, …

Caller 1: That’s not the same. That’s not the same policy, at all! You know, if you were to pay them whatever figure you think would be adequate, would they be then brought back to Israel or would they be left where they are? Where would they go? With their little payment, with their little check? Where would they go?

Ernst Zundel: Hold on for a minute. It would be in the interest of Israel, I suppose that they would settle them somewhere, which I think Israel is trying to do.

Caller 1: In Israel? In Israel? In Israel?

Ernst Zundel: No, in the new territory.

Caller 1: What new territory? The Israelis aren’t keeping those territories.

Ernst Zundel: According to the Montreal which I have in front of me, it says that these territories are called the “new territories”.

Caller 1: These territories are called the new territories?

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: What date? What story is that?

[News Break]

Radio Host: You had a question you wanted to ask? Go ahead.

Caller 1: The other end is not just taking up your time. But he considered what he suggested, a practical solution to the problem. Now does he consider. We didn’t finish before we went to the news. Is he suggesting, if I may be wrong, suggesting that these people would, the refugees would come into Israel to get paid.

In other words, the one and a half million who are now outside would have to return to Israel. They would get to pay whatever. He didn’t specify what amount of, let’s say, several hundred dollars. And they would remain in Israel, Is that the suggestion?

[40:12]

Ernst Zundel: I can’t decide where they wanted to go, where Israel wanted them to. It’s entirely up to them. But my main point in bringing up the payment angle is that I know that those people live on handouts from the United Nations and they are always in every story that we hear and read it, that they were dispossessed by the Israelis.

Caller 1: Yeah, but this. Yeah, I know, but, …

Ernst Zundel: You see what I mean, it would be a good point as far, not as a publicity stunt, I wouldn’t want to say it that way. But it would be a great deal in the favour of Israel as far as the world situation is concern. And specifically for those small Arab people, whether they be peasants or herdsmen or former storekeepers. To them, I’m sure it would show the goodwill of Israel and it would make life out of every statement that emanates from Beirut or from Cairo as [word unclear].

Caller 1: It doesn’t require this to show up the statements that emanate those countries as lies tell people to those people.

Ernst Zundel: People with a full stomach and a square meal and more comfortable mud hut rather than a, …

Caller 1: But don’t you don’t, in the first place, if you base your suggestion on the moral question that they were dispossessed by the Israelis, therefore the Israelis would look better in the eyes of the world by recompensing them in one way or another. This is from a false start because they were not dispossessed by the Israelis.

This point has been made time and time again! And it doesn’t matter how often uninformed people say that they were dispossessed by the Israelis, it still doesn’t make it true, because you can’t turn back history and say because it’s repeated, therefore it becomes true. The only reason there should be any compensation, I mean, if the Israelis had it and if other governments had it, they should give it to their human being.

But from a practical point of view, I don’t see, looking at the way the Arab governments around there operate, I don’t think it would make any difference whatsoever to forming, to getting peace with the Arab countries. This is what the Israelis are after. They want to sit down with Egypt and with Jordan and with Syria, if Syria can stay on one seat for a long enough time and sign a peace treaty after 20 years.

Now, how payments to the refugees who would either be kept after that they can’t be admitted to Israel because Israel hasn’t got room for them. What they would do with the money, that they would go to Amman or they would go to Cairo. Those countries could have taken them before and they didn’t. They kept them there for a special purpose. And for you to think that because they will get several, on the contrary, it’s very likely that what would happen if they got the money, it’s such an impractical suggestion. How would the money get to them outside? Would they be in checks or in cash? In Jordanian money and Egyptian money? You know, if they got it, they would probably end up in their mind having the money taken from them by those governments. What makes you think that if they were to receive that money, it would make the slightest difference in the attitude of the Arab governments, the Arab governments to Israel?

Ernst Zundel: First of all, I have to. Maybe I am naive, I doubt it. But the point is, if Israel wants to have peace, it is obvious that the Arab government for the last, 20 years, the government, the cliques in power, whether they be the Bath party, whether they be the colonels of Nasser or whatever they are, those in power are not speaking for the small peasants, but they are using those peasants as a weapon and as a tool.

Caller 1: Let me ask you something. Have you been to the Middle East?

Ernst Zundel: No, I haven’t.

Caller 1: Have you never been to Turkey?

Ernst Zundel: No, I haven’t.

Caller 1: Or Egypt? None of those countries?

Ernst Zundel: Have you been to the moon?

Caller 1: Yeah. No, no, I’ve been to those countries and it doesn’t make the slightest bit of difference what the peasants think. It’s the colonels that are in Cairo that matter at this point. I don’t see what the peasants, how the peasants [words unclear] at all!

They’re medieval countries, you know.

Ernst Zundel: I don’t see that the [word unclear] himself has stopped across the border, planted a mine in the market in Jerusalem and blown up 10 Israelis.

Caller 1: He might as well have. What difference does it make? He tolerated the people who did it.

Caller 2: Not partial at all! This is the World Almanac of the 1966 Yearbook of Britannica. Now, there’s no bias in there or any prejudice. I will quote you if I may.

Ernst Zundel: Right. Well, I got my figures from an almanac too.

Caller 1: Oh, okay. The overall picture, this is page 430. Under the topic of Israel. The overall picture was one of continuing prosperity and expansion, tempered by a growing balance of payments problems which was expected to become more serious because of the ending of the German reparations payments. This I assume, is in 65, which had ended.

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear]

Caller 2: Just a minute.

Ernst Zundel: World Almanac reparations payment too.

Caller 2: These had accounted for about $70 million annually. Now, if you carry that for 20 years, that would be a total of 1, 400,000,000. Which does not come anywhere close to your figures.

So how do you account for that? This is to the state of Israel, money reparation.

[45:22]

Ernst Zundel: Well, how do I count for that?

Caller 2: You said 7 billion.

Ernst Zundel: I thought I went to the horse’s mouth.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon.

Ernst Zundel: I thought I went to the horse’s mouth.

Caller 2: Yeah, but you went to the wrong horse.

Caller 1: Your zoology is all wrong.

Ernst Zundel: It’s the person that pays the Bill usually less in funds than the person that, …

Caller 1: He usually tries to build up what he paid, though.

Radio Host: Well, in terms of Britannica, though, I would assume that to arrive at any figure they would go to more than both sides. Again you have to, …

Caller 1: Definitely! And through the fact that it involves the changing of funds into international currency of some kind.

Radio Host: Right. Well, when we use the term dollar, it is accepted that it is the American dollar.

Caller 1: Yes, that’s right. That’s the international currency.

Ernst Zundel: Hold on for a moment. I’m mulling this thing over here.

Caller 1: Yeah, it’s probably 7 billion in Reichmarks is that would make it a billion 400,000!

Radio Host: Yes, it wouldn’t it?

Caller 1: Yeah, 7 billion Reichmarks would make it a billion 400,000.

Ernst Zundel: The ratio is not.

Radio Host: No, the ratio is 3 to 1, isn’t it?

Caller 1:5 to 1.

Ernst Zundel: No, no.

Caller 1:4 to 1. Something around there.

Ernst Zundel: It’s now 32 cents per mark.

Caller 1: That’s now. So that’s now. The dollar has fallen. The Mark is up, is very strong.

Radio Host: Right. So there are three marks in the dollar, roughly.

Ernst Zundel: No more. There’s, …

Radio Host: Well, like in terms of 31 billion marks, you got your figure. $10 billion.

Ernst Zundel: Roughly. Yeah.

Radio Host: I mean, we’re being rough, but you know.

Caller 1: So you speak German? Maybe they told him in Germany he doesn’t understand!

Ernst Zundel: Very funny, very funny!

Radio Host: Well, anybody can look it up if they have Britannica.

Caller 1: Yeah, of course, you shouldn’t argue with [word unclear].

Radio Host: Anyway, this is curious. I’m looking up to find, you know, where I. Again, you see, there are cross indexes here and I have the United Nations roster to find out, you know, where to find West Germany. I can’t find them on the roster here.

Caller 1: Look for it on the Republic of West Germany.

Ernst Zundel: No no, West Germany is not a member of the United Nations.

Radio Host: I was coming to that conclusion and I was afraid to say so, but it appears it is not a member of the United Nations.

Caller 1: I wonder why?

Ernst Zundel: Germany wasn’t at the time considered to be fit to be part of member nation.

Radio Host: Well, well, well, there are 124 members. Neither Germany is here.

Ernst Zundel: No, neither will you find, I think South Korea and North Korea. Neither South Vietnam and North Vietnam.

Radio Host: That’s right. They’re not here.

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

Caller 1: Let me go on. Can I go on for something that has a similar, two similar suggestions that are made that relate somehow to your suggestion, it’s a speculation as to whether what you do will have the desired effect. You know, Israel can pay out this two or $3 billion or whatever it happens to be, and it should go down the drain, down the Suez Canal and hear no more about it. And they should be just as violent.

So it would be a pretty dangerous thing for Israel to carry that out on your say so.

Let me ask something else now. It is suggested that Israel, in the case of this attack on Beirut, that as a matter of fact, the message came the Pope after he had been criticised for his first statement, he made another statement which wasn’t a very satisfactory either one. It sounded like he was saying:

“Well, you’re both wrong, so both stop fighting.”

It suggested that if the Israelis wouldn’t retaliate, which is what they’re being charged with, that the Salahi, that the Al Fatah and the terrorists would stop crossing the border.

Now, anyone who thinks that if the Israelis would not respond, then the people on the Jordanian side, the terrorists would stop, you know, must be out of his mind! What else can the Israelis do if they’re being shot at? They shoot back. You know, they were to stop in order to conform to what the Pope suggests and other very kind people are suggesting that they should stop escalating it. They’ll be run over!

Ernst Zundel: The jews have a law, a eye for a eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Caller 1: Oh, come on now!

The next thing you’re going to tell me, the next thing you’re going to tell me is that I belong to a tribe. You know, you sound like something out of the Middle Ages!

Ernst Zundel: Well, Life magazine has [word unclear] that.

Caller 1: I don’t care what Life magazine does! You know, what’s this “eye for an eye” business? That went out of fashion 2500 years ago!

Radio Host: Well, it’s back in vogue now because it’s interpreted by many as referring to transplants! [chuckling]

Caller 1: Israel is clear that the reason for their attack on the Beirut airport, and they made specific, they made very good, very good care that no one should be hurt, was to teach the Arab countries around there that the Israeli Airlines was not something that could be just thrown away. They had to show them it wasn’t an eye for an eye. It wasn’t revenge of any kind. It was to teach them that if they carried on the path that they were following that they would suffer for it! Which would make them stop. And this has been the reason for all the Israeli so-called retaliation. What they get is the time of peace. And usually it has happened. There has been hardly any fighting around this way because the Israelis hit back hard!

[50:39]

Ernst Zundel: Every news commentator that I have listened to from the United States, from Europe and the GDC, they all say that these terrorist organisations have succeeded in their primary aim and that is to make Israel overreact. Would you say Israel overreacted?

Caller 1: No, I wouldn’t. I don’t see how she could overreact. I don’t see how she could overreact by destroying 13 aeroplanes in exchange for human life. That’s not an overreaction.

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear]

Radio Host: How’s that?

Ernst Zundel: Everybody else seems to think so. Including [word unclear].

Caller 1: Now, tell me something. What difference does it make in a question of right and wrong what everybody else thinks?

Ernst Zundel: Well, first again there is your right and there is they are wrong and there is you’re wrong and they are right.

Radio Host: Okay, just before somebody calls up and correct us on it, let me correct it.

As far as the Deutsche marks is concerned, there are 3.988 per US dollar. Okay gentlemen. The last gentleman who is on the line. Are you satisfied with the point you made?

Caller 2: Yeah. I have one more point to make.

Radio Host: What is it, sir?

Caller 2: Have you ever heard of the flying carpet notion whereby about a million jews would [word unclear] all the Arab countries including Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt and Syria, were all thrown into Israel without a penny in their pockets and it was the Israeli government who undertook them, closed them, fed them and gave them jobs. They came into Israel without a penny in their pocket.

Radio Host: Right. Well, in terms of restitution or reparation, it has been suggested by our caller that these people be included.

Caller 2: Yes, but why they forgotten? When everybody talks about the Palestinian refugees, what about these people?

Radio Host: Well, as was suggested when I when mention it that it had not been mentioned before. It’s a suggestion from a staff member who was in the booth with me at the time.

Caller 1: Would the restitution come from the Arab government? They should be the ones responsible because that’s where they came from.

Caller 2: Exactly!

Caller 1: And can you imagine them doing it?

Ernst Zundel: Well, look, why don’t give them the benefit of the doubt.

Caller 1: Give whom the benefit of the doubt?

Ernst Zundel: The Arab government, put you on the spot.

Caller 1: Are you a journalist? Did you say you’re a journalist?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I’m a journalist.

Caller 1: Why are you dreaming? Why are you having these dreams?

Ernst Zundel: You know something? I have to make a very basic point here.

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: You people. And this is so evidently so when you listen to these open lines. You are extremely sensitive! And you are always having such a perfect taste.

Caller 1: It has nothing to do with this! It has nothing to do with it!

Ernst Zundel: I’m a fan of Sherlock Holmes and of Perry Mason and you know about Perry Mason? Everybody that watches television, you know what Perry Mason does? He usually investigates the guy with the perfect alibi first.

Caller 1: Do you know something else? I’ve listened to you two evenings. I haven’t heard you say a good thing about the Israelis.

Ernst Zundel: I haven’t?

Caller 1: No.

Ernst Zundel: Well, my suggestion was that they should possibly pay restitution.

Caller 1: What kind of a good thing is this? This is the sort of a dream that has no relation to reality.

Caller 2: Can I bring in another point just for a second? It says here in the same yearbook, just a little bit smaller paragraph below, it says:

“A new series of terrorist attacks in border areas originating mainly in Jordan and Syria and later also in Lebanon, began during the year.”

Now, this is back in 65.

Caller 1: Of course, this is true. I was in Israel last spring. I was shooting a film there. And part of my filming was along the Lebanese border. There was an old synagogue about three miles from the border. Just about three hours after I had passed there and done my work, a mine was blown up. Now, this was way over, way over near the Western, near the Mediterranean Sea, just south of the Lebanese border.

Now, for any Jordanian or Syrian to have been able to go all the way from there east of the Jordan to plant that mine would have been impossible. This was a Lebanese mine. And there have been incidents from Lebanon time after time after time! The Israeli intelligence is excellent! As a matter of fact the Jordanians have just today hunt two spies, or they call them spies who are spying for Israel, if you can imagine that.

So the Israeli intelligence is pretty good. When they say that they know what’s going on inside Lebanon, I’m pretty sure that they know.

[54:56]

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, I agree with you.

Caller 1: Okay?

Ernst Zundel: That’s a good thing to say about Israel?

Caller 1: Well, you’re absolutely impossible! Here you have a country. You know, I feel, when I read my, I don’t understand it when I read my Bible, I feel embarrassed about something that the Israelites did 2,000 years ago. I say:

“Why should my people have behaved like that?”

You know, I’m not really guilty, but I feel sorry that they should have. That it shouldn’t be one of our traits. Here you have a people in the Middle East whose only existence., … Now, I’m not a Zionist, that’s why I’m saying this. Whose existence, Israel is due solely at this point in history. Who knows when they might have created, if at all! At this point in history, it’s due solely to the behaviour of your people! You see, and you have the gall, the chutzpah to come along on a public show and to make criticism of them, why they’re there they shouldn’t have been there in the first place or something else.

Ernst Zundel: Did I say that?

Caller 1: Well, you certainly suppose that from the way you talk.

Radio Host: Well, again, you see, the caller accused you of hearing what you want to hear before, and this is evidence of it. He never did say that.

Ernst Zundel: I would be perfectly happy to give you the Arab case. What they say:

“Why you shouldn’t be there, if you want to.”

Radio Host: Well, I don’t know if any of you are listening on my Saturday morning program. Late in the program, we did get someone who outlined it on Viewpoint Tonight. If any of you are watching, it was outlined again. There are three sides to this story. There’s the Israeli side, the Arab side, and the truth!

Caller 1: Well, of course, that doesn’t necessarily follow. It’s possible that one of the two sides is true.

Radio Host: Unfortunately, no. This is, it’s just like in the case of a divorce or anything else. There’s his side, there’s her side, and then there’s the truth!

Caller 1: That’s very clever. But in an actual situation where you have two antagonists, it’s very possible that one of the side is more right than the other.

Radio Host: According to whom, though? You see, according to the Israelis, they’re right. The Arabs are wrong. According to the Arabs, they’re right. The Israelis are wrong.

Now, I’m not saying to be objective. I do not believe anyone can be objective. And I don’t care who says that you can be objective in this case. All I say is that you should be fair!

This is why I am accused by Arabs of being anti-Arab and I’m accused by Israelis of being anti-Israeli.

Caller 1: That’s quite unfair to you because you have to be fair as a moderator and present both sides of the coin. I can understand the Arab point of view, although I think it’s wrong.

Radio Host: Yeah. But on this issue, I’m the only host of a programme on this station to my knowledge that is getting threats against my life and so on over this issue.

Caller 2: It won’t come from me. I think you’re pretty good.

Caller 1: What I was going to say is this. If you take the Israeli and the Arab position, the Israelis have nowhere else to go. There’s some suggestion made that on the part of so-called anti-zionist and some Arab books I’ve read and articles that the European jews. Let me state now several things here, that the European jews who are now in Israel who came from Eastern Europe should go back since they’re not Mediterranean, but they’re probably descended from the Khazari who were a Turkish people in the Crimea 1300 years ago. That they’re really Europeans, blue eyed, blonde, so they shouldn’t be in Israel at all! You can well imagine this kind of a suggestion that Ben Gurion, who was born in Russia, that the Russians would let him back into Russia.

In other words, he’s going to stay there. Certainly the Israeli disciples who were born there are going to stay there.

And can you imagine the Yemenites who were born in [word unclear] to go back there? And the Egyptians to go back to Egypt? So it’s not very likely to happen.

Ernst Zundel: May I just come in here?

Caller 1: Let me just finish that. So the Israelis, when they say they are going to stay, they’re going to stay.

That’s one side of the coin. You can believe that’s their point of view and I can see their point of view and I don’t see how anyone else can. I mean, what’s wrong with that point of view?

But then you get the Arab side of it which says they’re going to drive them into the sea, get rid of them! Can that be correct as well? How can it?

Ernst Zundel: Well, can I come into the point here?

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: According to The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 4, Pages 1 to 5, it deals with what you just outlined, the Khazars.

Caller 1: The Khazaris, yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Right. And it says in there:

“That the Khazar Empire, it was founded by Asiatic Mongol people in the first year after the birth of Christ and existed till about the 14th century.”

As you said. But it had its peak in the seventh and eighth century. These people were heathen and they’re converted to Judaism.

Caller 1: That’s true. Okay, so what’s that got to do with the Israelis right now? And the Mediterranean in 1969.

Ernst Zundel: This is on which much of the Arab argument is based on. If you had heard the UN debate.

Caller 1: Yeah, but you see, you’ve got to start from where you are. You can’t start from where you were 500 years ago. The Israelis are now. What is going to happen to Ben Gurion, for example? Would he go back to Russia?

[1:00:19]

Ernst Zundel: No, no. May I make a point here, a philosophic point, if I may?

Caller 1: Yeah. Okay.

Ernst Zundel: So the Arabs and [word unclear] that was speaking at the United Nations, he was horrified over CBC at the time of the Arab-Israeli war. He said precisely that.

In other words, he said:

“The Khazars were converted to Judaism or what was called then Talmudism.”

And like, …

Caller 1: Watch, watch it. What’s Talmudism? There’s no such thing. Just stick to what you know.

Ernst Zundel: Look, I’m quoting the Jewish Encyclopedia, volume 4 pages one to five, …

Caller 1: Talmudism? Okay.

Ernst Zundel: In the seventh century, Judaism. It wasn’t called Judaism. It was called Talmudism.

Caller 1: Oh, come on! I don’t know who wrote that, but this is all nonsense!

Radio Host: All right. Who wrote the Jewish Encyclopedia?

Ernst Zundel: I suppose a couple of anti-semites!

Radio Host: [chuckling]

Caller 1: So what? They disappeared. They disappeared in the 14th century. What’s that got to do with the German jews?

Ernst Zundel: They didn’t disappear. That’s precisely the point!

Caller 1: Of course they became Christians. They were absorbed into the Russian Empire.

Ernst Zundel: They didn’t become Christians.

Caller 1: Where are they?

Ernst Zundel: They were spread all over the Soviet Union, all over the Balkans. And this is why you have such a big amount of Eastern European jews. They are called the Khazars. And do you know, difference between the Sephardic and Ashkenazis?

Caller 1: The Khazars, …

Ernst Zundel: The total percent, the [word unclear] state. And the Jewish Encyclopedia has a map in the book. 80% of the world’s jewish population today are Khazars. In other words, they are converted!

Caller 1: What are you talking about?

Ernst Zundel: Precisely. That’s what the Arabs are saying.

Therefore. Just a minute now. Look, this is the argument. You have to look at their argument and you have to look at your argument and then we can arrive at something. That’s why the Arabs say that, …

Caller 1: Well, the Arabs don’t know what they’re talking about and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Because, … Let’s forget about it. Let’s forget about it!

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Ernst Zundel – Another Voice of Freedom Radio – Why World War II Started – 1994 – Transcript

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Ernst Zundel

Another Voice of Freedom Radio

Why World War II Started

Wed, Jun 15, 1994

[In this audio recording Ernst Zundel gives a brief “laymans” summary of why WW2 started. Key points:

Introduction to Voice of Freedom broadcast, hosted by Ernst Zundel

[1:30] Overview of Germany’s situation after World War I, including reparations and hyperinflation:

“Germany was condemned to pay reparations, huge amounts of reparations which were to only run out in the year 1988.”

[3:30] Rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party through democratic means

[5:00] International boycott called against Germany shortly after Hitler came to power

[6:30] Germany’s economic crisis and rumours of potential invasions by France or Poland

[8:00] Reichstag fire and Hitler’s implementation of emergency measures:

“Hitler used this as his means of introducing draconian repressive measures inside Germany ”

[10:00] Comparison to Canada’s use of the War Measures Act in 1970

[12:00] Hitler’s governance and Germany’s economic recovery in the 1930s:

“Hitler made Germany prosper. He made the trains run on time.”

[14:30] Hitler’s opposition to Communism and Bolshevism:

“Adolf Hitler was a strong opponent of Marxism. He considered it almost like an evil religion.”

[16:30] Germany’s actions leading up to World War II, including the invasion of Poland

[18:00] Hitler’s pre-emptive strike against the Soviet Union:

“Hitler knew that he was not strong enough to just merely defend himself against Russia.”

[20:00] Comparison of Hitler’s tactics to Israel’s actions in the 1967 Six-Day War

[22:00] Germany’s initial success against the Soviet Union and subsequent challenges

[24:00] European volunteers fighting alongside German forces:

“Europe’s men, we have to remember that the Hungarians, the Slovakians, the many Polish volunteers, Ukrainian volunteers, Danish, Dutch volunteers…”

[26:00] Framing of Germany’s actions as defending Europe against Bolshevism:

“The Germans defended Europe and European style civilisation against Soviet Bolshevism.”

Closing remarks.

– KATANA]

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I’m Ernst Zundel with Another Voice of Freedom program. A number of our listeners from around the country, and some even as far away as Europe, have contacted us about our recent programs relating to D-Day and the period in Europe after D-Day, and some of our revisionist viewpoints that we hold on this topic. Well, some of them complained that I, in my programs had not spelled out in more detail what the Second World War was all about and how it came about.

So let me try to give it a layman’s overview. Nothing academic, just a layman’s overview. The Germans in the First World War were defeated by a coalition of forces, and the German government under the Weimar Republic was asked to sign a treaty in Versailles. And one of the stipulations of that treaty was that the Germans had to declare themselves solely responsible for the First World War.

And of course, with the loss of Germany’s territories in the east, coupled with this slap in the face for the entire German nation, who knew that they had not been solely responsible for this tragedy, which was the First World War. This meant there was a fertile soil for nationalists, or even extreme nationalists to agitate against the existing order of things.

Germany, you must understand, was under some form of Allied tutelage, was under military occupation in some regions. Germany was condemned to pay reparations, huge amounts of reparations which were to only run out in the year 1988! I want to repeat that these massive billions of dollars worth of gold marks of reparations the Germans were to pay to the Allies, were to be running till the year 1988. That was reparations the Germans had to pay for the First World War.

The reason why I’m stressing that is because, of course, it bankrupted the German nation, led to hyperinflation where people were paid three times a day, mornings, noon and night, because the money devalued between breakfast and lunch, sometimes by millions of marks!

And so when men were receiving their paycheck, they didn’t go and bring a wallet at the end of the week, they usually brought a basket.

And finally, some of the store and shop owners paid their people every single evening, because hyperinflation was running away with the currency in Germany.

My own mother, a very simple young girl, said that she worked for a whole month and at the end of the month, all she could buy with her earnings for that month in 1923, was a stamp with which to send a postcard to her parents. That is what the situation was!

In that situation, Adolf Hitler, a very gifted young orator in Germany, started his struggle for power. And he struggled against those who had signed this shameful treaty in Versailles and against those who had imposed it on Germany. And he found increasing resonance amongst the German population. At first the working people, finally an ever increasing number amongst Germany’s students, then amongst the more middle classes, and finally even amongst the intelligentsia, meaning Professors, doctors, dentists, lawyers and so on.

Then Adolf Hitler democratically moved into the Reichstag, and because his party was the party that had Garnered most votes in a coalition with other nationalist forces, finally became the government of Germany in 1933, on 30 January.

While Hitler was struggling for power, he had said over and over in thousands of speeches and talks and articles in his party newspaper and so on, and many of his Members of Parliament, the Reichstag at that time said to the German population:

“Understand that a vote for National Socialism does not mean a change of government in Germany.”

In other words, it’s not a change of administration. It’s not the Democrats being replaced by the Republicans, or in the Canadian context, the Liberals replacing the Conservatives. He said:

“What you are doing with this election, it is a plebiscite on which way Germany is going to go.”

In other words, there are going to be some fundamental changes in German society. And he had outlined them to the German population quite openly and quite freely, what he thought Germany should look like in the 1930s. The Germans were not sucked into or conned into voting for yet another politician who had made all kinds of promises that he wasn’t going to keep.

My own mother and my own father, who had been unemployed for four years by the time Adolf Hitler finally did come to power, said that they had tried the Conservatives, they had voted for the Catholic Party, the Christian Center Party, they had even voted for the Social Democratic Party. Other Germans, disgusted by all this party wrangling voted for the Communist Party.

And there was a polarization of political opinion and political action and the political spectrum in Germany in the 1930s between the extreme Left and, yes, the extreme nationalist Right.

Hitler represented the Right, the forces of the Right, and together with a number of smaller parties, finally did form the government, as I said. And he was hardly in power when an international boycott was called against Germany.

And the reason why I’m mentioning this is because in the next few programs, we are going to take a look exactly at what happened in “Nazi Germany”, the way the popular press calls it, or National Socialist Germany, in Hitler’s Germany after he came to power.

[07:46]

Let me just say to you that in studying this period of time, I found that Germany was in a terribly shocking state! And that, for instance, in the state of Thuringia, which is in the east, the budget for social welfare was two thirds of the state’s budget was eaten up by social welfare. Two thirds. You can imagine, that means so many people were unemployed, were on the dole, were half employed and so on. A state cannot function with this kind of budget. And so a crisis was looming large in Germany.

Also, the foreign currency reserves of Germany had gone down to such a level that when the German economics minister mentioned this to the new government, Hitler was alarmed. It was down to some 480 million marks, which, for a trading nation like Germany that depended on financing exports and so on, it was virtually the death knell. Germany was, to all intents and purposes, bankrupt!

How to get out of this situation was what dominated the mind of the new government. And during this particular time, there were rumors around the world that they were going to be preventive wars. There was going to be an invasion of Germany either by France or by Poland or by both governments.

Now, at the time, these two countries were, in a European context, superpowers. You must understand that the Treaty of Versailles condemned the German government to a force of professional soldiers of 100,000 people, just 100,000 men! That meant the entire German armed forces could fit into the Berlin soccer stadium.

Now, picture that. The Berlin soccer stadium. The only weapons that they had were machine guns. When they were practicing with tanks, they were bicycles with cardboard cutouts made to look like tanks. Because Germany was the only totally disarmed country and it was forced to disarm under the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler knew all this. In other words, he was in absolutely no position to threaten anybody! Others were threatening his government.

And suddenly there were these news from North America that the jewish community in North America was Calling for an international boycott against Germany! There was a man called Samuel Untermeyer, who had gone to Amsterdam for a conference. And when he returned to the United States, he gave a nationally broadcast radio program in which he called for a holy war against Germany, a national boycott.

And naturally, Hitler’s ambassadors and consular officials reported that back to Germany. So did the media. Hitler was alarmed! Here was the threat of military invasion, economic strangulation. Inside Germany the communists were restive. And so Hitler did what other German Chancellors had done before him, perfectly Democratic measure to call out some kind of an Emergency Measures Act. In Canada, we would call it the War Measures Act.

Into this period fell a fire that was started by apparently a communist, or a man with communist leadings called Van der Lubbe, who tried to burn down the Reichstag, meaning the German Parliament. Apparently as some kind of a note to other Leftists, to start simultaneously all over Germany similar activities and to try to have an overthrow of the German government.

Now, I know that in Allied propaganda, Hermann Goering is supposedly himself having carried a canister of gasoline through some secret tunnels into the Reichstag, and he’s supposed to have had a kind of a hand in burning down the Reichstag. Well, perfectly independent people and historical commissions and inquiries by independent historians during, before, during and after the war have come to the conclusion that, in effect, the Nazis did not torch the Reichstag! That it was a canard put out by communist and Leftist propaganda.

Hitler used this as his means of introducing draconian repressive measures inside Germany, outlawing political parties, political movements, arrest without habeas corpus and so on. It was a typical emergency measure act!

Now, I want you immediately to understand this is not to excuse Adolf Hitler and him breaking the civil rights of Germans. I am just trying to explain to you that this is nothing new in European history, certainly absolutely nothing new of the period. And in Canada, as late as 1972, we had what they called “the invoking of the War Measures Act”.

Actually, it was earlier still, during the FLQ crisis, the Front des Liberation Qui Pequoi, which was a Leftist group that was blowing up mailboxes, the stock market building and so on. And the Canadian government, in perfect peacetime, prosperous, not surrounded by enemies that were trying to invade our country here, imposed a War Measures Act. I lived there during the time in Quebec, and I can assure you here is what happened.

Hundreds, many, many, many hundreds of French-Canadian activists who had been politically vocal in wanting to have separation between Quebec and the rest of the country were rounded up at night. 4:00, 5:00, 3:00 o’clock in the morning. And they were arrested without any legal representation. They were put into sports arenas, meaning concentrated into the same kind of area that Hitler would take his dissidents and so on in the early 30s.

They were kept in there. Some of them were kept in jails in Canada without having the rights that we normally have to be brought before a judge speedily and so on, because the War Measures act had declared a national emergency, saying that there was imminent danger to the survival of Canada as a society and as a state. And then your civil rights went out the window.

Well, that’s exactly what happened to Germans in the Hitler era, as soon as Adolf Hitler came to power, because there was this perceived threat to the German state, the overthrow of the German government. And Hitler invoked what he called the Enabling Act, where he spelled out what his moves were going to be.

And so Germany, that moment, became somewhat of a dictatorship. True, there were elections and there were plebiscites later on, but ultimately, Hitler governed Germany under this kind of draconian enabling legislation, which allowed him to forbid parties and movements and seize newspapers, outlaw publishing houses and stuff like this, very much the way the West German state has been doing in the last six to seven months.

[15:26]

And again, Germany has no threat of invasion. Germany has no threat that the state is going to be overthrown. Yet the ruling clique in power in Germany says:

“Oh, we have got political dissidents here that are getting entirely too testy. They are having these big marches of 4, 5, 10,000 people. Our police forces can no longer control them, meaning they cannot cow them into silence. And even 10,000 policemen last fall could not prevent a march in honor of Rudolf Hess, for instance. And so therefore, we are going to pass this draconian legislation.”

Which they tried to do recently on the 20th of June with their what they call crime bill. But the German Parliament, at that time, the Upper House, at least voted down this draconian law.

Well, in Hitler’s Germany they did not, because National Socialism at that time, as I said, had the superior numbers. And so Germany began to rebuild under those measures with limited freedoms, restricted freedom of expression. And Hitler managed by all kinds of means, which we are going to cover in future programs, to prevent the invasion by France and by Poland, to prevent the boycott from crippling and destroying the German economy. And Adolf Hitler and his government went on and governed Germany in peace time for another six years.

And by the year 1936, we are able already to absorb all the millions and millions of unemployed in Germany and the surrounding countries. Two million people worked as guest workers in Germany in 1937 and 38, at a time when the rest of Europe was, and America, may I say, and Canada was still very much suffering under a depression!

Hitler’s Germany was like a beautifully tended garden surrounded by a bunch of gardens full of weeds.

And of course, the envy of the people who tilled the gardens, meaning the governments of the particular day, was rife everywhere! Not the people. For instance, Hitler had this program where he was going to [actually did] send hard working miners and farmers and so on these cruise ships to distant places in North Africa, in Egypt, in Greece or in Norway.

And it was such a hit with the working people of Europe that ordinary people could actually go on cruises that England forbade the landing of these German cruise ships in British ports! Because rather than giving their own working people such a break, they found it much easier just to restrict German ships from landing and not getting British workers envious.

What I’m saying to you is Hitler made Germany prosper! He made the trains run on time. Things hummed in Germany. Germany broke all kinds of records on the ground, in the air, with cars, with planes. National Socialist Germany in peacetime was a progressive, thriving country. And the people that lived there during that particular time apparently kind of allowed this restricted freedom that they couldn’t have different opinions and so on. They traded social security, financial security, bread and butter stuff over freedom.

It has always troubled me that that’s the way it was, but that’s the way it was. I personally am far more of a believer in individualism and freedom than that particular generation. But the Germans, after all, if the majority does rule by their majority, and by constantly reaffirming Hitler in power and his government decided that was the way they were perfectly willing to live, who am I to say in 1994 that they didn’t have the right to do that?

Now, why did the war break out? Because apparently Hitler was a sworn enemy of Marxism, Communism, then called Bolshevism. And Europe had these Bolshevik uprisings, especially in Hungary, Romania. Also in the east, especially in Russia, where a lot of blood was spilled, where hundreds of thousands, millions we know today, tens of millions of people were butchered in the most gruesome way, worked to death in the Gulag, worked to death while building canals through mosquito infested swamps and so on.

Today, now that the archives are open and the mass graves are being found in the Crimea and in the Ukraine and in Russia proper. Mass graves that hold 200, 240, 300,000 people and we have only just scratched the surface.

So the Bolsheviks who were in the east, armed to the teeth, had always said that they believed in world revolution and they were appealing to the workers around the world in uprising after uprising.

I know, I’ve got a book in my bookshelves here about a communist uprising in Brazil. Then we had the communist uprising in Spain. It was known at that time in Europe that communism was a huge threat to Western values and Western civilization.

Adolf Hitler was a strong opponent of Marxism. He considered it almost like an evil religion. And when President Ford, and later on much more so President Reagan and President Nixon before them had certain anti-communist statements made, President Reagan was the one that coined the phrase “the evil empire”. Well, let me tell you, Adolf Hitler had called Bolshevism and the Soviet Union “an evil empire” already in 1920s! And had initiated policies to contain the evil empire in the late 1930s. Making what he called the anti-Comintern pact with Italy, Japan and Germany.

[22:05]

And he also knew from his intelligence services that Russia [Soviet Union], armed to the teeth as they were, were pulling together troops at the Eastern border.

And so he knew that they were going to attack Germany and Western Europe. How did he know? Because the German armed forces and the German spy system against communism worked. They had lots and lots of ethnic Europeans in the east who were siding with the German government. And so their information was excellent!

But when Hitler finally ended up in this terrible tragedy with Poland, which France and England used as a declaration, as the reason for a declaration of war against Germany, Hitler knew that he had to quickly finish the continental powers in a kind of a pre-emptive quick strike in order to keep his back free, because he knew that the Soviet Union was arming and ready and rearing to go and invade Germany from the East. Germany didn’t have enough land, enough depth, geopolitically speaking, geographically speaking, to absorb the massive invasion forces which were then beginning to build up on her Eastern Frontier.

And so, luckily for Germany, France was subdued quickly, Holland and Belgium also. And Hitler could now turn his attention to the east. By now, his air force, using the very latest in technology, high altitude planes, quite similar to the later the very famous U2 spy planes which Francis Gary Powers used to fly over the Soviet Union. Hitler had similar planes, not quite as sophisticated, of course, but he could penetrate with his reconnaissance airplanes, flying at tremendously high altitudes for the first time using pressurized cabins, way into the heartland of Russia.

How do we know it? Because we have books about it. One man has been on my mailing list for three decades. His name is George Pemler. George Pemler, P E M L E R. He has written a book called, Der Flug zum Don, published by Drufel publishing house in Germany, in which he details and shows with all kinds of photographs the massive build-up of Soviet forces on the German border.

And so Hitler knew that he was not strong enough to just merely defend himself against Russia. And so they decided to pre-emptorily strike at the build-up of the Soviet forces very much the way Israel did in a repeat policy. And many people said, using a copycat plan against the Arab world in 1967 with exactly the same results. The Israelis attacked air fields in Egypt, in Syria and in other places, in Jordan, destroying the planes on the ground. They attacked missile batteries, destroying them on the ground.

And once they were silenced, then the ground forces, Israel’s tank forces, could sweep through the desert, driving the Arab forces before them into the desert. And ultimately Israel scored a stunning defeat in a very, very short war called the Six Day War.

Hitler’s forces did exactly the same thing in 1941 in the east. And the German air force that was opposed by over 14,000 Soviet planes knocked down over 12,500 planes or bombed them underground within the first two weeks of the war. The German air force at that time had less than 4,000 3,750 planes. The same could be said for ground forces, tank forces and so on. It was not German massive armor that won this. It was superior German generalship and planning. And also the elandes, the spirit of the German troops.

However, they were unable to deliver a knockout blow against the Soviet Union, which the world had expected. Basically, we know today because of treason in German ranks! Treason was the reason for Hitler not winning the war against the Soviet Union. And this is why Germany got stuck in the east!

And this is why these huge battles of attrition in Stalingrad, where over 300,000 German men marched into Stalingrad and where only 6,000 of them came back after the Second World War from Stalin’s Gulag. 96,000 prisoners were taken. About 90,000 of them vanished!

And you wonder why there were so few planes, so few troops, so few tanks in the West. Well, I tell you, they were in the east defending Europe, Western Europe against the Soviet onslaught, against the hordes of the evil empire, as President Reagan would have called it.

And so Europe’s men, we have to remember that, the Hungarians, the Slovakians, the many Polish volunteers, Ukrainian volunteers, Danish, Dutch volunteers. Alone in Denmark, four times as many people were serving in the SS in the German armed forces of Danish nationality than were serving in the Danish armed forces and police! This is an incredible statistic which very few people know.

[See: The Epic Story of the Waffen SS – Leon Degrelle]

So Hitler’s Germany was defending Europe’s interest in the east. And this is why the Allies had such an easy time in the West. This is why the there were only 270 operational tanks and only 375 planes to meet the Allies’ 12,000 planes in the West. They were bleeding to death in the east for Europe. And so look at it in the context of a German or of Germany. The Germans defended Europe and European style civilization against Soviet Bolshevism.

And so this was the reason that I should have given you before we went into Normandy.

However, the next series of programs that you’re going to hear have to do largely with Israel and German jewish relations. And I think it is timely because very, very little has been said about this period in history and the German side of it.

I am Ernst Zundel speaking for The Voice of Freedom. Yes, I am a son of the Germans using the facilities of North American radio stations and the freedom guaranteed to me by the United States, Constitution, by the Canadian Bill of Rights, or the other way around, to bring you dissident or different information. And all I’m asking you is. You don’t have to believe me. Just open up your mind to our German viewpoint and our Germans.

We are located at 206 Carlton street in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Our postal code is M5A 2L1. Our telephone 416-922-9850 [Note: All contact details out of date]. Thank you very much.

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The Flipside with Monika – Eps 36 with

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[In this weekly podcast episode The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer continues her 3rd episode with Jürgen Neumann on heroic revisionist Ernst Zundel. Key points include:

At the start, the host Monica Schaefer introduces the show and guest Jurgen Neumann, who worked with Ernst Zundel as his right-hand man for decades.

Ernst Zundel was described as “an absolute giant” who revealed truths about World War II.

Jurgen discusses Zundel’s “Another Voice of Freedom” broadcasts starting in 1993, which included TV and radio programs.

The broadcasts faced opposition, including an incident where a US broadcasting facility was “burned to the ground”.

Zundel’s work was distributed through Public Access TV stations in the US.

In 1991, Zundel organized the “Leuchter Congress” in Munich, Germany. When the original venue cancelled at the last moment to sabotage it going ahead, the event was held on the street with speakers standing on a car, then a flatbed truck.

Zundel was arrested after the event but released on the promise to return for trial.

A caller, Joe, praises Zundel as a “true hero” and “one of the free speech pioneers”.

Jurgen recounts firsthand a 1984 pipe bomb attack by jews on Zundel’s building: “They had set off a pipe bomb, as the police discovered”.

In 1995, there was an arson attack on Zundel’s building while he was away. An eyewitness saw the arsonist but police never interviewed him.

A powerful mail bomb was sent to Zundel: “It was a bomb. And it was set to go off when the package was opened.”

The RCMP warned Zundel about a potential female assassin: “we have information that seems that there’s been assassin to assassinate you.”

Jurgen mentions having about 500 Ernst Zundel videos on his Bitchute channel “JohnRobinson101”.

Jurgen also has a PDF channel on archive.org called “Researcher_PDF” with related historical books and documents.

Throughout, the host and guest emphasize the importance of keeping Zundel’s memory and work alive.

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Monika Schaefer: All right. Good evening. Greetings far and wide. You are listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network. It is Saturday, the 22nd day of March, 2025. And this is episode 36 of The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer. Welcome to the show today.

So I would just like to send a shout out to last week’s program. Last week’s show we had a twofer, you could say a doubleheader with Blackbird 9 on his famous Saturday Snack Shack show preceding mine. And we did the two hours together with my brother Alfred. And you can find those shows in the archives. And yeah, we had a good time with that. And I would just like to remind the listener that this is a listener supported network and we just would like it if we could keep this network on the air. So if you can, please do consider supporting the network.

And if you are already a supporter, thank you so very much for supporting the network. And I’ll just give you the numbers. You can go to the website, of course, at RepublicBroadcasting.org, you can find all the information there. Various ways to either send cash or check in the mail. The address is there and here are the numbers that you could call, 512-246-9549, or toll free number 1-800-724-2719. Okay, now I have return. Okay, great, thank you.

So after the bottom of the hour, I will give out the numbers for if you would like to call in and join us in our conversation. I have a return guest today. His name is Jurgen Neumann and he came on in episode 15 and 18. If after you’ve listened to this one and you think, gee, I want to listen to the archives of the previous two shows, you can find them from last fall, episodes 15 and 18.

So his name is Jurgen Neumann and he was, I guess you could say, the right-hand man for Ernst Zundel or Ernst Zindl, if you pronounce it in German, for several decades. And Ernst Zundel [24 April 1939-5 August, 20017] is no longer with us. He died a few years ago, may he rest in peace. But I consider him to be an absolute giant in terms of having been a man who helped us along tremendously in our quest for truth about what actually happened during World War II. And the narrative about World War II, at least for my generation, and I would say for all of us, is probably the most distorted and lied about event in history. Everything was turned on its head and was really backwards.

I mean, the things I grew up with learning in school and through (((Hollywood))) and through the mainstream media is completely upside down and reversed from what actually happened. And Ernst Zundel did much to reveal that to the world.

And of course, for his efforts, he was persecuted, prosecuted, jailed, all those usual things. A great man who had so much to offer to the world. So in our first episode, we talked a little bit about his own awakening. Ernst Zundel, he didn’t know the truth about World War II until he was a grown man. He was born in 1939, so he was a war baby. He’s from Germany. He came to Canada as a young man. I think he was 18 or so.

And so, yeah, in episode one [15], we went through that, talking about his awakening and then some of the trials and tribulations. In our second episode [18] that we had last November, we continued with that. We talked about the Leuchter Report or Fred Leuchter who went to Auschwitz and did some actual investigation of the physical place there, and then his various trials and things that happen. So we really went into quite a lot of detail with that.

So today we would like to expand on some of the, I guess you could say, the epic work that Ernst Zundel did because there was so much that he did through the years.

So, first of all, greeting Jurgen Neumann. Are you there? Frank, did you say that you were able to pull him up?

Okay, so I guess I’ll just carry on until you do get him back on there.

So I’ll just tell you a little story. I pulled up a video from one of Jurgen’s online platforms. Not sure if it was on his Bitchute or Odysee channel. And it just randomly pulled up a video of Ernst Zundel addressing a crowd of people back in, I think it was in the early 1990s, I’m not sure. And I couldn’t find it just now to refresh my memory. But something really struck me, and it was quite amusing. In the first few minutes when he was greeting the large crowd in the room, and it was packed, I don’t know, maybe 50 people or so. he told the audience that a jew that he had been talking to before this talk, and I think he was talking mainly about Adolf Hitler in this talk, and the audience was mostly young people. And Ernst Zundel addressed that point and was so delighted that there were so many young people in the audience, because he says:

“Usually I’m speaking to a lot of gray hairs!”

So there were a lot of young people there. They were very interested to hearing Ernst Zundel talk. And then he told about what the jew had said. He said:

“Oh, you could do that, talk in a telephone booth.”

And Ernst says:

“Well, this is a mighty big telephone booth!”

And everybody, of course, roared with laughter.

Now, some of the young listeners to this show might not even get the reference to the telephone booth because we don’t see too many telephone booths out there in public anymore. [chuckling] But you might know from old movies and such, that was a pretty small thing that was on many street corners back in the day before everybody had a phone in their hand or in their pocket, you see. So yeah. Do you have our guest on the line yet? No! Maybe. Okay, no problem.

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So what we’re going to address today is radio, I think it was all by radio, perhaps Jurgen will correct me, it might have been with video as well, but it was called “Another Voice of Freedom” that Ernst Zundel did, these radio shows or these programs. And I think he carried that on for a number of years.

Oh, wonderful! Jurgen, are you there?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, I am. After going through a jungle of static and all kinds of other stuff, looks like we’re clear and full speed ahead!

Monika Schaefer: We are good to go. So perfect timing. I just gave a little bit of an introduction, talked about our previous shows that we did, and then I told the little story about the phone booth that Ernst Zundel, you know, was told by this fellow that. Yes, so I told that story already. And then I just started talking about the fact that he did many programs on something called A Voice of Freedom. And I wasn’t even sure if that was just radio or if it was with visual as well. I’ll pass it over to you to tell us a little bit about that and maybe how many years he did that for this show called, Another Voice of Freedom.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, we got into that when we got enough support to be able to get some reasonable consumer video equipment and audio equipment in order to make material that could be broadcast. And we started off with video TV broadcasting. Chose, Another Voice of Freedom as the title, and we started it in June 1993. So we decided to get our outreach out there, better than it was.

And so this is before the Internet was a big thing, and we certainly weren’t conversant with the Internet at all at that time. So therefore, we’re doing the best we can. And this was satellite broadcasting. Down in the US they have companies that will broadcast for you up on satellites. There’s old satellites that are floating around in space that no longer fit the needs of the people who originally put them up there and now they put up new ones. But the old ones are still kind of useful. So they sell these companies time on the satellites that are still useful at a cut rate.

And then we send them our material and then they will broadcast it on a given time. Usually it was on a Sunday evening. So that of course, once we started that first thing we do, Ernst did, was send copies of the programs to the media.

And of course they just, they were very excited about that one. So we got lots of interviews about that and newscasts about that they even showed clips of the videos that we sent them. And so it was quite a job. Eventually we ended up, I think we were broadcasting about 275 programs.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, wow!

Jürgen Neumann: A lot of work over a number of years. And of course our opposition, they got very upset. And within the first six months, [chuckling] I think they went to the broadcaster that we had at the time and they said, this is the way I understand it, right? The broadcasting facility of that company was burned to the ground! So consensus was it was probably because of Ernst. They contacted the broadcasting company and they said:

“Look, we don’t like this here. We want you to, basically to censor him. You shouldn’t be putting that on there. It’s hateful. It’s this, it’s that.”

And their reply was:

“Well, we don’t censor things. This is the United States. We have freedom of speech here. But tell you what, we will make a deal with you. If you like, you can make counter programs against him. And we will play it before his program or after his program or before and after his program. But we’re not going to censor.”

So therefore that’s probably why it had something to do with burning the place to the ground.

After that, anyway, we got another one and that worked out quite well. And then we also started doing radio programs as well at the same time. Our TV video broadcasts were like once a week, but the radio programs were like every day.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, wow!

Jürgen Neumann: So he had two programs. One was on an AM station and one was on an FM station right in the heartland of the U.S. It was quite a large reach.

And yeah, we were pouring out the material. I was the, of course, editor for the video parts of it, stuff. And we had another supporter who did all the audio stuff.

So yeah, we were going concerned for a long time, that’s for sure! I think we had for five or six hundred radio shows, I think. All this is like all half hour stuff, right. Et cetera. So yeah, it was really interesting. They were all wound up about that, needless to say.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, I’m sure they were! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: And at about that time we had a lot of supporters down in the US and they have a thing down there called Public Access TV stations that they are required by law to have to allow local people to make content and broadcast content on their cable networks.

So a lot of them would contact us and request our shows. So we would mail them to them and they would broadcast them in their local communities. But it wasn’t all the same.

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Monika Schaefer: Oh, it wasn’t all the same. Go ahead. Sorry.

Jürgen Neumann: No, I mean like we were making half hour programs, right. But some of the public access stations, they didn’t broadcast half hour, they broadcast one hour. So there we had to re-edit stuff and maybe make something new just to fit the one hour slot. And all the formats were kind of different too. Some stations had regular VHS tapes, some used SVHS tapes, some used 3 quarter inch pneumatic tape.

So we had to get into all these different formats so we could fill the orders and they could broadcast all our material down there. So that was also a going concern. And they really got upset about that one too!

Monika Schaefer: You must have been working hard, Jurgen, because I understand that you were basically the guy who was really the tech guy and Ernst, you know, he was busy with the actual talking and that kind of thing. Right? I mean, you must have been really learning and working hard because this would have been a lot of new stuff for you?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, for some, yeah, it was pretty new. We were working an average of probably about 10 hours a day. And there for a while there when we were pumping a lot of material, we actually worked for about almost two weeks straight without a pause, about 12 hours a day.

So that was really something else. Certainly was happy when that was over. The big rush! Everybody putting it up. And then one of our supporters down in Canandaigua, New York, he had, they really came down on him a lot of the Holocaust lobby, I’ll call them, Shelley Shapiro and a bunch of these other, basically anti-revisionist jews who went down there and they put pressure on the station to cancel his broadcast and so on and so he was going to have a press conference and so Ernst went down there as part of the press conference and yeah, it was quite the thing.

They had police there, they had everything. One guy had a big boombox where he was cranking up some audio thing. I forget what it was offhand, but you know, trying to drown Ernst out from talking to the media and so on. Yeah.

So it took a better part of the day and the station actually got Ernst inside and interviewed him about that, what that was all about. That was nice to do that.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, of course! And it sounds like Antifa type of activities, doesn’t it? I mean these days that happens a lot with protests and then counter-protesters trying to scream louder or something so that nobody can hear the actual speaker. [chuckling] Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: And if you want to know more about that incident, that’s in one of our another Voice of Freedom programs which you can find on my Bitchute channel. And it’s called. I forget the number of it, but it’s called Public Access and Freedom of Speech.

Monika Schaefer: So speaking of that, can people find all these, Another Voice of Freedoms on your Bitchute channel or your Odysee channel? Do you want to just tell people.

Jürgen Neumann: The BitChute channel is where the complete collection is on there.

It’s JohnRobinson101, all one word.

Monika Schaefer: Fantastic!

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. So you can go through the whole works if you like. Lots of very good information on there.

Monika Schaefer: Indeed! It’s just heady times, I would say doing that. And just to put this into context for the listener, if you have aren’t fresh up on when things happened with Ernst Zundel and all his trials. The trials, the big Holocaust trials in Toronto, those were in 1985 and 1988. So this is after that.

[See: Andrew Hitchcock with Monika Schaefer on “Sorry Mom” — TRANSCRIPT]

So I think that’s absolutely fantastic that work that you both did! And yeah, so people can go and find those and listen to those and just there’s endless. You know, you can really learn a lot from those programs. You know the other thing that really caught my interest and we touched upon it in our last episode together that you and I did.

But then I started to learn a little bit more. And I’d like you to go into more detail about the Congress that Ernst Zundel organized in Germany called the Leuchter Congress. And things happened there [chuckling] made it very interesting. Can you get into that story, please?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. It was by 1991. This is when the actual meeting took place. By that time Ernst has been on the wanted list for Germany, right. He’s a wanted man because of his revisionist activities. So they always after him, but that didn’t stop him. [chuckling] So he flew in somewhere else and then drove him to Germany. And he talked to all these people to organize this Congress.

Of course he wasn’t going to be officially part of it because otherwise he’d be arrested. But he was there anyway and helping them along. And it was one of the main organizers was a young man by the name of Ewald Althans [sp].

And so they got this whole thing together and they got speakers like all lined up like for revisionism, had people like Fred Leuchter, right, which they named the whole Congress after him. And French revisionist Robert Faurisson, Swedish revisionist Ditlieb Felderer, and of course famous British author David Irving, who hardly needs any kind of introduction or anything.

And then there’s another gentleman German former judge by the name of Wilhelm Stäglich. He wrote, he was back in the day, he was, I think he was part of an anti-aircraft unit as a young man around in the Auschwitz area.

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[Image: Wilhelm Stäglich]

So anyway he wrote a book about that. And of course he had been retired at the time. So they took away, I think most of his pension and took away his judge credentials and all that, for that.

So it was all set up and it was on. It’s going to be in Munich in one of the big museums there. They had a big hall for rent, very big hall, perfect for our purposes. So we get there, everybody, you know, gets to Munich, we’re all set to go and wa laa, the last moment the hall cancels! Needless to say we were a little bit upset about that. Our lawyer, our main lawyer, Jurgen Rieger, he went in there and you know, needless to try to get them to change their mind stuff, but they weren’t having any of that.

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just jump in here Jurgen, because this is classic, absolutely classic tactic of our opponents! They knew that Congress was taking place. They could have said:

“No, you can’t do it here!”

They could have done that I’m sure a month ahead or even months ahead. But this is a classic tactic. I’m sure that other people have heard of events or been at events where the same thing happens.

I had it happen in Jasper, little town of Jasper where I organized a speaker event. And my downfall or the disadvantage was that I did have time to organize this. And so people knew well in advance. And the last day before this event happened they were going to cancel me. But I kind of managed to actually get the woman who was on the board of this church hall. I talked to her for over an hour and at the end she says:

“Monika, you are very persuasive!”

But I’m talking about a small town where [chuckling] I had known this woman for decades. You know, so!

But there was a big storm. We could not have had it outside at all! But yes, I’ve heard of big events in big places where that happens. But do carry on and tell the story. What happened next?

Jürgen Neumann: I mean, yeah, they just try to get you to waste your time and your money.

So anyway, so everybody was kind of:

“Okay, what are we going to do about this? Everybody’s here, all the people are here, etc.”

So it was decided that:

“Okay, heck, we’re just going to do it right out on the street in front of the museum!”

And of course all the police were there, etc.

And so we started off with a car where the speakers would come up and they would open the door and you’d stand up, you know where you get into the car, you stand on that, look over the roof of the car and speak to the crowd. And those who couldn’t speak German. Then Mark Weber from the IHR, California, he was there and he would translate from whatever the speaker was saying in English to German.

Monika Schaefer: Institute for Historical Review.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, review.

Monika Schaefer: Continue.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, they have their own website, people can check that one out. They’re an excellent group to find all kinds of good solid intellectual information on these subjects. Plus they do a lot of political stuff.

Monika Schaefer: IHR.

Jürgen Neumann: Actually I think it might be IHR.org, okay, check both.

Monika Schaefer: But basically with the abbreviation IHR, not all spelled out is what you’re saying.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, it’s just IHR.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, so people can find that. Okay, carry on.

Jürgen Neumann: After be talking for a while, Fred Leuchter got up and he initially wasn’t going to say much because who knows who’s going to get arrested for what. So eventually our lawyer who had been talking with the authorities came up to Leuchter and he said:

“Look, just been talking to the judges lawyer, showed him the Leuchter Report and they agreed that it was just a scientific report and we can’t censor scientific reports. So you’re allowed to talk about it.”

So he did. The crowd went wild. They were just great! Everybody loved it!

And so after a bit of course it was decided that this car is not good enough. So somebody went out quickly and rented a truck, flatbed truck, and they brought that up and so all the speakers and everybody got up on the truck, so it was much better. Everybody could see you and everybody could hear you better. We had a sound system up, better sound system on the truck and so on. So it worked out very well. There was a like back in the day the Leftists in Germany were nasty to the point of being terrorists.

But the only Leftists that showed up on that day was about half a dozen of them in a bus, in a regular street bus, who went by holding signs up in the bus.

So everybody got a laugh out of that. Obviously they’re not what they used to be.

So, yeah, it was a very exciting day and a lot was said and a lot was done. And then something happened. After it was over, we all went to the various beer halls and stuff, restaurants, got together and so Ernst showed up for that. And not long after that, somebody said something to the authorities because the authorities came in and they arrested him. They found him and they arrested him.

Monika Schaefer: Oh my goodness!

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. So they took him away to jail, etc. So that was kind of not the best of all things. [chuckling]

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Monika Schaefer: Remind us what year this was.

Jürgen Neumann: 1991.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Jürgen Neumann: Then he negotiated his way out of there. They said:

“Okay, well, you’re going to be charged with anti-Holocaust activities and so on. Denying the genocide of the jews.”

And so on, which is a law in Germany, right. So what you can get, I think they had a maximum of five years, for that. So eventually they put him on parole because he said:

“Yeah, okay.”

Not parole:

“But you can leave, but you have to come back for trial.”

So they thought he would do that, and he would do that because, oh yeah, there’s a big chance he wanted to try to organize a Leuchter type trial in Germany. So he was all good with that.

And about that particular issue, his trial and so on, there are videos of it up on my channel, Ernst Zundel in Munich, Munich trial in German and in English, where he talks about all that. So I’m not really going to get into that. I haven’t really brushed up on that particular thing. But if you want to see hear more about it, you can go there or we can do another show on it at some point.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And we will come back after these messages. Thank you.

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Monika Schaefer: All right. Welcome back to The Flipside with Monika on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

So before the break, Jurgen Neumann, our guest, was telling us about this Leuchter Congress in Munich, I think it was in Munich. Did I get that right?

Anyway, in Germany in 1991, and exciting things were happening, and then he ended up being arrested and went to jail. How long did he go to jail for? He was let out pretty quick. Oh, yes, you said he was let out on the promise that he was going to be back for trial. Do you want to just carry on with that story?

And then we do have a caller on the line. He’s been waiting very patiently for a while, which is wonderful! Oh, and actually, I did forget to do that, is give the calling numbers if you’d like to join the conversation.

So I’ll just do that first and then Juergen, if you could tell the rest of that story and then we’ll start with callers.

So the number is 512-2488252 or 1-800-313-9443. Okay. Over to you, Jurgen.

Jürgen Neumann: Well, I must confess that I hadn’t brushed up on that story. So as I’m sitting here right now, my memory says:

“Well, can’t think of a whole lot but say about it at this moment.”

I just did mention [word unclear], but if we were going to ever do another show, I would brush up on it and we can get into some details.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, no problem!

Jürgen Neumann: Flopping around like a fish out of water wouldn’t work very well right now.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, God!

Jürgen Neumann: I would like to say one thing.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, go [chuckling] ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: I would like to say to me one of the final things about the Leuchter Congress that reflected in my life afterwards. And that was later on that year. This took place in March. So a few months later on, I was visiting my mother. And while I was there, the mail came. And in her mail was a copy of National Geographic. She’s never ordered National Geographic. She never reads it. So this was a mistake. This actually was addressed to somebody else on a different street, maybe six or eight blocks away. But it showed up in her place. Well, I thought:

“Just for fun, let’s have a look at it.”

So I pulled it out of the wrapper. And I had just started paging through it and lo and behold, what do we see? We see that National Geographic had been in Germany at that time of the Leuchter Congress. They were doing a thing about Germany and about the political situation and so-called Right-wing neo-Nazis, all that kind of stuff.

So they actually had part of their article on the Leuchter Congress. And they had a big picture, a big picture of that truck and the people standing on the truck talking. And on the truck, also on the left hand side of the picture was yours truly, me with the camera!

Monika Schaefer: Hey!

Jürgen Neumann: You couldn’t really see my face, the camera was covering it. But there I was.

And so I pointed it out to my mom and she was really excited:

“Wow, that’s cool!”

She never got another National Geographic, before or since!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, into the National Geographic. That’s fantastic! That National Geographic magazine was meant to come into your hands even though it was mis-delivered. Yes, that’s wonderful, wonderful!

So we had Johnny from Michigan, but I guess he dropped off.

But we do have a caller, Joe in Florida. Are you there? Would you like to join our conversation, ask a question or give a comment on anything about Ernst Zundel or ask Jurgen a question, anything you want. Welcome.

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Joe: Yes, Monika, thank you for taking my call. And greetings to Jurgen. Yeah, just a quick thing I want to say.

So thank you, Monika and Jurgen, for keeping the memory of this great man, Ernst Zundel alive. The other day recently I don’t know, Candace Owen, very kind of big, very popular blogger now she’s doing her pieces on the Hoaxicost is what I call it. And the lie of those events. And I just can’t help but think that, it’s Ernst that did the great groundwork. I mean he would be very proud.

But it’s on his amazing work that now it’s basically going mainstream. The lies that they built. I just wanted to say that thank you both for keeping his memory alive. And then Jurgen, the real question I wanted to ask you a question was. So among the things that jews like to do is to promote the idea that they’re all still peaceful people, but there can be very violent. And among the things they can be violent with this there preferential is bombing. We saw the King David Hotel, right? Jewish terrorists bombing people!

[See: Guns and Butter interviews Christopher Bollyn — The War on Terror – Dec 18, 2019 — Transcript]

So tell us about, if you can, how it was that Ernst was really the first, one of the first victims of this bombing in Toronto. And am I right in thinking they bombed his house, which was a residence, or exactly how, where, was that a place that he worked out of but tell us what you can remember about that terrible incident.

Jürgen Neumann: Okay. Talking about bombings and stuff, as far as I’m aware, when it comes to revisionists, the very first bombing was in France, I think it was 1965. Maybe a French revisionist by the name of François Duprat. Him and his wife were going out. They got into their car, turned the key, and there was a car bomb. And it blew up and killed him and took off her legs below the knee. So that’s first one, and probably worse for revisionist terrorism.

[Image: François Duprat – Source: https://revisionists.com/revisionists/duprat.html

Now come up to 1984. And we are at Ernst Zundel building. Okay. So what it is, or what it was, really was his, number one, was when he first got it, he was an artist. And so he made it, he had his business, commercial art, and then he was also fine art painted. He was the most prolific artist in Canadian history. Actually sold over 600 paintings.

Joe: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: And so he had his gallery on the main floor and his commercial art business in the back. And upstairs he had the usual living quarters. That’s his home, dining room, kitchen, bedrooms, stuff like that. So, yeah, it was a combination of our work environment plus his home.

Actually, as it turned out, I ended up staying there with him for a decade or two. I’d stay there basically during the week and then go home on weekends and stuff. So that’s basically what the building was.

So 1984, there was a bit of an explosion we had. And it turns out at the back, by his garage door, they had set off a bomb, pipe bomb, as the police discovered, you know, told us about later, a pipe bomb. So it blew up the garage door and actually sent splinters all around the neighborhood, damaged cars and stuff. If anybody was walking by and been hit by those splinters, they could have been fatal. Not that they care, of course.

So that was the first one. But what was interesting about it was the police said:

“Oh, yeah, we’re investigating, etc.”

After a week had gone by, or 10 days ago by nothing. We hadn’t heard anything. So Ernst contacted the police. And the one officer was very honest about it. He said:

“No, we’re not investigating, actually. We think that you did it yourself for publicity.”

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: So, yeah, well, I was right. Okay, fast forward to 1995. About the anniversary of Victory in Europe Day, May 1995. Ernst was off on a speaking tour, Western Canada way. And I was holding fort there. And where I sleep is in, it’s a long building, right. Not wide, but deep.

So I was sleeping in the back on the second floor beside the washroom, my little bedroom. And I’m lying there in the neighborhood in which we were located, it’s called Cabbagetown. And always a lot of weird stuff happening. There’s a lot of weirdos in that area and stuff. So it’s not unusual to hear all kinds of interesting things happening.

But anyway, I was sleeping and suddenly I woke up. And I mean woke up just like snap of the finger from asleep to totally wide awake! And I thought:

“Wow, what’s that?”

So I’m lying there for a second, wondering, and I hear way in the back, some very low voice called “Fire!” So I thought:

“Oh, yeah, a bunch of, … I wonder what’s going on in the neighborhood tonight?”

So I lie there for a little longer. And then The Voice gets louder, it gets closer:

“Fire! Fire!”

I thought:

“Oh, no, I better go have a look.”

So I get up, and when I step out of the out of my bedroom, I can look down the length of the house, the second floor, right into the kitchen. And the kitchen has a big window out on the street. And here’s flames rising up above the second floor window.

Joe: Wow!

[Image: TORONTO, ON, 206 Carlton St., Ernst Zundel’s house on May 7, 1995, showing the aftermath of the fire there]

Jürgen Neumann: That’s what the fire is about. All right, so I ran up forward a little bit, grabbed a phone, but that one had already burned out for that one.

So I went downstairs and I got another phone and phoned you know, 9/11. And they said:

“Oh, yeah, oh yeah, no problem. Don’t worry about it.”

They said:

“Other people have already called in, so everybody’s on their way.”

I said:

“Okay, great!”

So I started getting myself together, getting stuff. I’m going to leave the house, right? I hear this pounding at the side door. So I go over the side door, and all it is kind of a regular framed wooden door. It’s got a couple of hooks and that’s it. And the fire department’s out there and they can’t get through this door.

So anyway, I go out and unhook it, and they come in:

“Oh, are you alone here?”

“Yep, I’m alone.”

“Well, you know, get out this fire. We gotta go!”

I said:

“No, I’ll leave when I’m ready.”

They said:

“No, you have to leave.”

I said:

“No.”

Monika Schaefer: Good for you!

Jürgen Neumann: :

“And when I’m ready, I will leave.”

Because I still had a couple of things I wanted to do. So I quickly packed up the last of the things and then I left. Oh, I did phone. Make one more phone call. One of our supporters lived about three, four blocks away. And this is about five in the morning. So I phoned him and I said:

“If you want some excitement, Ernst’s house is on fire, so come on over!”

Then I went outside and away. Eventually other people came up, our supporters, they came up to see what was going on, etc. And he showed up eventually and he said:

“Well, he said, boy, your voice was really calm for what’s going on.”

So we’re sitting there or we’re standing there. I was talking to one of the fire-fighters and we were talking about response time, you know how you get there fast. And he said:

“It doesn’t really matter how fast we get here.”

I said:

“What do you mean by that?”

He said:

“We can’t touch it until Toronto Hydro comes and turns off the hydro, so that we don’t get electrocuted with water touching the electricity. So they actually have to be here first.”

I said:

“Oh, okay.”

So we’re standing there waiting and a man comes up to me and says:

“Are you one of the people from the house?”

I said:

“Yes.”

He said:

“Well, I saw the whole thing.”

I said:

“Oh, really?”

He said:

“Yeah, I’m in the store next door to us.”

Somebody had broken their plate glass window.

And so he was there replacing the window. And he said the man walked past him with his container of flammable liquid. He saw him walk. I mean, he could have reached out and touched him as he walked by. So he walked up to the house, poured the liquid on there and a trail out, which he lit up and away it went. And then he walked past him again.

I said:

“Oh, so you’d be willing to talk to the police?”

He said:

“Sure. That’s why I’m still waiting here.”

“Okay.”

So I went and told the police:

“Hey, we’ve got an eyewitness!”

The guy waited another hour and a half and then he had to go because he had other business to do. And the police never did talk to him.

Monika Schaefer: Unreal!

Joe: Unbelievable! Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: So that was that one.

And then about a month later, it was about that, maybe a little longer, maybe two months later, got a package in the mail. It was a brown box, basically, reasonably light.

And so I brought it in, mailman brought it in, and Ernst looked at it, looked at, and he’s getting, he’s very sharp man, experience. He says:

“Okay, everybody, nobody touched this. Something I don’t like about this.”

It’s addressed to him. It’s got a return address out in British Columbia. So, okay. So he put it on the shelf. And the way we went about our business, except me being a foolish man at the time, I couldn’t resist. I went over and picked it up when nobody was around, shook it a little bit. Very foolish!

But anyway, I didn’t hear anything, didn’t feel anything. Put it back. This one.

So eventually a fellow phoned Ernst and it was one of our supporters from out west BC. So he asked him about the PO Box address and he said:

“Oh, that was an address I used to have a couple of years back. So obviously somebody else is using it, blah, blah, blah.”

So this is suspicious. So we took the box down to the police station, told them it might be a bomb. They freaked out!:

“It might be a bomb! And you brought it here! What’s the matter with you?”

Anyway, they cleared out the area around the station by about three blocks. So they took it and eventually they took it down to the bomb disposal place where they set it off. And they got back to us and said:

“Yeah, it was a bomb.”

And it was set to go off when the package was opened. Having done so, it would have killed everybody within 100 meters.

Joe: Unbelievable!

Jürgen Neumann: Very powerful!

So that was the explosive encounters that we had.

Joe: Unbelievable! Thank you Jurgen and [word unclear] tell me to say thank you. So Ernst is a true hero, right? In other words, he was one of the free speech pioneers and they obviously tried repeatedly to kill him and he stood his ground.

So thank you, Monika, for this show, keeping his memory alive, because he is a real hero and it’s great to see if only he ived long enough to see that what his efforts really are paying off where people can speak truthfully about history. Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Joe, I really appreciate. Yeah, I really appreciate that you called. That was an excellent call with these questions. And those stories are incredible! Thank you so much! Thank you again. And yes, we do intend to keep Ernst Zundel’s memory alive.

And I’m gonna do a shout out to Katana who encouraged me to do exactly that. And that did prompt me to call you up, Jurgen, or to write to you and say:

“I’m gonna have you on regularly. Like maybe every couple of months we’re gonna do another show on Ernst Zundel because there are very many things to talk about.”

So a shout out to Katana. He has a website, katana17.com. His specialty is making transcripts out of videos, or out of talk shows, or things that are in audio form, he turns into transcripts quite a lot. And his website is excellent! Has a lot of resources there. I would encourage everybody to visit that website again. That’s katana17.com. And katana with a ‘k’ and just like it sounds, so just another.

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Joe: God bless you, Monika.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, bye bye. Joe, thank you so much!

Joe: Thanks. Jurgen too. God bless.

Jürgen Neumann: Bye bye,

Monika Schaefer: Bye bye. Jurgen, something else about those attacks and who, … Somebody claimed responsibility for at least one of them, did they not? Do you know about that? Didn’t a jewish, …

Jürgen Neumann: 1984 one? Some kind of jewish, I don’t know, it was a very convoluted name anyway. But yeah, it was some jewish organization that claimed responsibility for the 84 bomb.

But what was interesting is that one thing that not too many people know about that. Around the beginning of the 1985 trial, as it was just about to get underway, Ernst was approached by the RCMP, which is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. And they gave him a folder and they said:

“We have information that seems that there’s an assassin. An assassin has been put on a case to assassinate you. It’s a foreigner who’s going to be coming into Canada, or might already be here. And it’s a woman. And so you should be careful and on the lookout.”

And in the folder they had a picture of her even:

“So that if you can recognize her, everybody should look at the picture and if you see you’re wandering around or something, you know what’s going on.”

So that was nice of them to do that.

[Image: Police image of Merchant assassin]

Monika Schaefer: Wow, isn’t that something?

And yet the contrast to the police not being interested seemingly in talking to the eyewitness at the later episode. I think that was the later up episode. And then also just, yeah, they didn’t seem to want to uncover this or they didn’t seem to want to help Ernst Zundel. You know, this slow response, what not. I just find that quite interesting.

But good that they did warn him and good on Ernst Zundel that these things did not stop him from carrying on with his epically important work. And it was always his intention to restore the honor of Germany and the German people once he realized what had happened with the lies and deceptions.

But we don’t have a lot of time left. I want to pass it back to you. Do you want to tell people where they can find your channels? We did already talk about the Bitchute channel. John Robinson 101. I do believe you have an archive also. Do you want to talk about that, please? Where do people find your work?

Jürgen Neumann: Okay, yes, on Bitchute, you might call it my flagship channel. It’s called JohnRobinson101, and it is all videos. And I have about, I’m guessing about 500 Ernst videos on there. Want to look at it? But I have well over a thousand videos.

And so it’s not just material about Ernst, but there’s material from other sources about subject matter that would be of interest to all of our people and all people who are interested in different points of view on various documentaries. I even have culture on there. I’ve got some classical music, orchestras playing and so on. Everything that may be a interest to us and help for us, I have on there.

Now on archive.org I have, I had a couple of other channels and they’ve been kind of deleted in the meantime.

But finally, of the two that have been deleted, I finally figured out that maybe the problem there was is that I had a lot of material about Holocaust revisionism and Ernst Zundel. So I figured, okay, I’ll start another channel on there and stay away from those directly.

And so I started a PDF channel called Researcher_PDF and it’s all books and David Irving books, pamphlets, all kinds of stuff. If you have an interest in history from our point of view, that’s a good one.

Monika Schaefer: That’s on archive.org is it?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Thank you so much for joining us again. Jurgen Neumann, and we will talk to you again next week. Thank you very, very much, all the listeners and the caller and the producer. Thank you all. Bye bye.

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kati
March 23, 05:21
Here my favorite of Ernst Zuendel, all episodes of his “german holocaust” in one big video file, i sure listened them 10+ times, as german alot new things.
https://archive.org/details/ernst-zundel-the-german-holocaust-the-complete-collection-parts-1-34

kati
March 23, 05:25
All Samisdat episodes of Ernst Zuendel, about 300 maybe, are sure on Archive org too, or easier to watch on Odysee, this link you will have all episodes https://odysee.com/@ErnstZundelVideos:8

kati
March 23, 05:39
I linked the Odysee, here, i cannot watch Jürgens Bitchute here in germany, it gets geoblocked cause of the content against our laws, but the Odysee channel is not blocked.
Im avoiding bitchute in general now, too much blocked in germany and the ads are annoying.

kati
March 23, 05:48
Micheal Collins Piper told me alot about Mark Weber, its now silenced but Weber took shekels to let nationalist books out of print, you can hear the story on Pipers podcasts over several episodes. I asked a friend of Piper, the one who runs now FTJ if the story is true, he said yes.
So im careful to recommend Mark Weber now, sure the IHR is not to blame, its jsut Webers doing long ago, maybe 2 decades ago. I think “Silesias Inferno” is one of the books he run out of print, i got the german version here, its witness reports from what the red army did in Silesia/Schlesien, its the most graphic book i ever read and i had to pause a day after most reports. You can still buy the english version sure, for a good price. The german version is cheaper, from 1966 i think and not printed anymore, noone would print that now, i paid 2€ for it.

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Ernst Zundel – My Life and Political Awakening – 1979 – Transcript

Ernst Zundel

My Life and Political Awakening

1979

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CONTENTS

“Who are you? Where are you from? What is your background? What was your development?”

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

“Oh, that’s the front coming closer.”

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

“Papa is coming home!”

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

“Well, this is what this boy is going to be. He’s going to be an artist.”

10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

“Oh yes, this boy has definite talents as an artist.”

“Universally talented! I could have become anything!”

“Well, but he wants to be an artist again.”

“There is no money, no survival in art in modern day Germany, which is in ruins. Let him learn a trade!”

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

“Boy, across this hill there is a world to be conquered!”

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

“Zundel, you must understand that you must speak German here, not Swabian!”

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

“Immigrants wanted!”

“There’s a world to be conquered!”

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

“Boy, speak German!”

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

“No problem. We will fund your job in no time.”

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

“Impossible!”

“Ah! Just wait a minute. I have a German lady here. She will translate for you.”

“How is it possible that a young fellow of 18 could be so advanced?”

“Look, if he doesn’t believe me that I can do this kind of work, I’ll work for nothing! I’ll work for two, three days for nothing. I have my tools with me. And then he can see whether I can do the work or not!”

“Great! You can start tomorrow! First thing, 9 o’ clock in the morning.”

“Young man, you are hired!”

18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

“Boy, she’s gonna be my woman!”

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

“Ah well, I must bring my mother to this lovely land and pay back a little milk money.”

“Mon cherie, what are we gonna do?”

“You always wanted to go to the province of Quebec. I’d like to go be back amongst my own people too.”

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

“Well, the heck with this, here’s a perfect opportunity to become a freelance artist!”

“Mr. Zundel?”

“Oh well, I have a job for you.”

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

“Gee, if this is such a well paying trade, we could afford a house!”

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

“Go to hell!”

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

“Go and beat it!”

“But this is impossible, but you cannot say this!”

“Look, not only am I saying it and you are hearing it, but I’m also meaning it!”

“But this is so unusual!”

“Listen, I am living in Canada, in the land of unlimited opportunity.”

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

“Well, I must now return to business life and tend to mending my fences there.”

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

“But you don’t know anything about the places that you speak of, such as Israel, the Middle East, Africa, Asia. You have never been there! You only know your stuff from theory.”

“What’s the use!”